The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-26 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY

is manufactures as the pimple of England? (Hear.)
In 1842, whet Sir Robert Peel, introduced the income tax,
he (Mr. William.) proposed that it should be applied to
Ireland; and indeed, why should it not? Above one psi:-
, lion and • half of the interest of the debt was paid in Ire-
land; and besides, many of the charges connected with that
country appeared so the imperial accounts. (Hear, hear.)
There, then, was a liheral offer made to Ireland. (Derisive
cheers.) Hon. gentlemen might say they did not mean to
pay their debts, but there were, perhaps, ways of making
them. (Hear, hear.) The amount of the consolidated
annuity was about 240,000/. a year, and that they would
I have pay fur forty years ; whereas they would only have
to pay the Income tax seven years. (Hear, hear.) He would
undertake to say that the calculations of the Chancellor of
the Exchequer were perfectly correct. The hon. bit% (Sir E.
B. Lytton) had argued that the taxes which were proposed to
be remitted would not be reproductive; but when impute
were taken off, the people
pockets. (Hear, hear.) They always spent it in other and
highly taxed articles. Siam 1821, no leas than 39 millions
of taxes had hoes abolished, and only 10 millions imposed
in their room. Yet, though 29 millions had thus been
abolished, the revenue had suffered little more than one
million. Sinn 1842 the taxes taken off were 13,500,0001 ,
and those put on were 6,600,0801. Yet, though there had
this been a reduction of 8,900,0001., the revenue in 1841
was 48 millions, but in 1832 it was actually 53,200,0001.
(Cheer,.) It was absurd, then, to suppose that the aboli-
tion of five millions of old taxes, replaced by three millions
of new ones, would lead to say permanent loss of revenue.
00 the whole, he must express his entire concurrence in the
budget. (Cheers.)
Mr. MAGUIRE Observed that the hon. member for
Montrose had said the character of every member would be
tested by the course he should take upon this question. He
(Mr. Maguire) willingly accepted the test, and would take
his stand against this measure, u it affected his own coun-
try; though he was bound to say that, if he were an Eng-
lishman, his decision might be somewhat different, (Cheers
and counter-cheers.) As an Englishman, he should oar.
tainly have given it a favourable consideration ; but being
an Irishman, and feeling that it dealt hardly and unfairly
with his country, he should offer to it his strongest resist-
ance. (Hear, hear.) Ireland could not bear a single pound
being added to her burdens; on the contrary, it would be a
wise and prudent act on the part of any dunes minister to
endeavour to lighten, and not to aggravate, the weight
pressing upon her. They must not suppose that the four
millions she paid to the imperial
had local burdens amounting to at least three millions more;
and while she was thus taxed to the amount of seven mil-
lions • year, her entire rental was only 10 or 11 millions.
(Cheers.) This liberal proposition, of which they had heard
en mach, was to remit 400,0001. • year, and to make them
pay 900,000/ in its stead. (Cheers.) Sir Robert reel in
11843 had expressly declared that Inland ought not to be
made to pay the income tax except In case of an Europeon
war. But where was the great European con-
vulsion to justify its Resent extension to that country
He called on the Irish members to unite in resitting this tax.
It was no question of party, but was one on which all might
unite. In time* of difficulty and danger Ireland had been
the right-hand and the shield of this country ; lisnd, though
depressed, and shorn of her population, she was still worthy
of consideration. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. WARNER said the statements of the last speaker
had shown that the distress of Ireland was on the decrease
for the population was better housed than at a former
period. He had talked of the taxing of peasants; no such
thing was intended, but only to tax those who could afford
it. The best way to )edge of the ability of • country to pay
a tax was by the ability of the individuals to pay a tax ; and I
the income tax was the best means of testing this. ("Hier,
hear," and laughter.) Suppose hon. gentlemen opposite
succeeded in throwing out the budget the result would be a'
diaeolution—(cheers); and the people of England and of
Scotland would then insist on justice being done to Ireland. I
(Hear.) He heartily approved of the budget as a whole,
and thought it worthy the warmest support of the house.
Mr. NEWDEOATE said the Chancellor of the Riche-
quer had suggested an alternative for the income tax in the
legacy duty and other duties; and this peeved that there
was no necessity for the income tax. If the right hon. gen-
tleman believed that it
.generated fraud, what emergency
wee there to justify the imposition of sunh a tax for seven
years, when it had never been levied by any minister for
more than three years. It had been originally imposed,
and had been since renewed, in eases of emergency ; but
now, without any such emergency, the house was asked to
grant another seven years' lease of the tax, merely because
the Chancellor of the Exchequer was contemplating great
financial reforms, as all Chancellors of the Exchequer had
done of late. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Hume, the Nestor of fi-
nance, had done more than any other man to expose the in-
equality of this tax, yet such was his parental fondness for
it, that he was willing to renew it he seven years.
But the Chancellor of the Exchequer himself said it
was not necemary mope to amble him to repeal the
soap duties, and great wastbog bola to Hoorderotse. When
should they have dew wain bar= N Manchester?
(Hear, hear.) For the lest to yews they had bees legis-
lating for Manchester;and the debt hue., .1.16,11.1111
the.suse speech declared that ,the Weft DAM most look
for no relief. He talked of simplifying the twig set bow
did he go about it? There was the aril& of masked
boxes, now subject to an ad valorem may; they were to
pay so anosit_per tune. (Laughter.) In reality the budget
was somber blow at the agricultural Interest; the duties
on butter sod shoos were to be remitted, contrary to •
former duties of the house. Kr. Pitt had been quoted is
favour of ea initoodon of the legasy slaty • but had he been
living now, sad man el Salt' 111111111111114 d since 1842, he
would have case tea dinner eaniaiea No tan on real
property ought to be anosisil to Midi separated the in.
Wrest et the ptomaine lea that shim esemeases. They ought
to insist on its belses lapsed la mayhem a hem as possible.
He Oran le the con en suasiene le real property on
this read aim art the tax wield AM when the person
neseedkag wee leer able to bear it. (Hear, bear.) He be-
lieved that if ibis tax passed, many moons would
he obliged to mortgage or to sell a portion of their
properties contrary to the intentions of the testator. (Hear,
Mar.) Considering that the income tax as proposed was
unequal and led to l'otad, he would it- (Howl
Xt. MILNEB sad Hr. Damsons Nine rose together. Tnere
were loud sans he Kr. Dramnised, but Mr. Milnee having
been called en W the damn, he preeened to address the
house. He even mere the hare that be would not inter-
pose • lotsg Any to their bearing the wit and humour with
which the bon. make he ierny usually abroad the
debate. He did em Welk be wee wanting in political
charity in aissunisce that ken. gentlemen opposite
could be very nabsebelle i• their advocacy of a
diserainatiee beans peneureet and fluctuating in-
comes in timer of the kW, whisk they did not enjoy,
as compentil with the former of whisk they were the pria-
ei* sopme•Mtives. Oa the other bond, those on his side I
of
the be.
_vibe were really*
_Wear of making such a
dietnalles, themehes singed Is 'Oa up what a great
many panne barn le be a ler sad Need principle.
(Ironeal sheen Ben • the Oppesitien.) Tee, they felt
obitt'ggded to give up thek Olin grollaste, ad pernal views,
as acne always ready to do when they stood
in the way et eleassres skin were likely to be come
large end rani neestene. (Hear, bear.) Rea petio-
les. bet bus Mar ads pledges, which they made
an die badage. Bet they made -tree pledgee seder the
impendes that the lamas lan wee to fora • permeate
coal
et tannin et the esentry. (Hear, bear, an ken
ed thus...) Bet when they mated le get rid et the
lama ha Ine it lama • Minn and
=ewe ter that ponied he sheen be le see • die.
made between reasseet end inesenes,
he wall not, is aria a Ana thee eldest he so sheet •
time, run the risk of fiellesidog the Seger seheine et lases
that ever had bees peeperded the been by a ameba
oh tee crow.. (Hear- beer, .) The he., member tie Dan
rtook a very elmple course is opposing this meisere,
icieseseerted the right et band set te pay at ali. New
he did set deny that Wand had aMk skim on the am
disettles d palameet, esenerasee et the untie.
But, thee, the- beaks it the lemmas Ine weld NI es the
wealthy, sad at en the peer purr& (Hen, bear.) le
hewer times It might be lissisable ee make a disdain
bares Beglaad an/ Ireland, in ender to nearer a
reelleres In the ban esantry. Bat Ireland had
anirrao a great neer, ain there was no
bare any nem for eurising net liseleakee. (Hear,
hem) With repel to the ante few ei the legacy duo to
the assessies to we reperty, he adaiteed that nets
raid be lathe way ef that tax, and he hoped
his right hen. Mend would umnier the burdens which
already =bled ea land when he rams to that part of his
schema. ('Heer, hear.) But be uses wiling to amen that
tax se • part of the wbst• pia. (Saar, hear.) They had
heard that a diabetes wash ithe plea if the ahem was
net anted; bet ha believed art the germ meet might
aerniestly
m a at tees tear
MM rat
Ilia enelitueneise es Ora bedn ;
aril kr In of the resat.eer, bear.
hew. Jounn believed that Weems(Wtax could be
ienaired or aetYMl at the pram, momeat. The praise
eine& • user Ineurabie opportunity for akin such a
New The right hem redseces had a large e=s
la d
wee gang to large I#IO,WIL on an.
them two, and palpates the repeal of the amp dation Br •
more favourable oppereanity,
_the right bra. tleman
might at least have greatly urinal the bane tax; ad if
he lad dans so, the eel et Me rare wenn have remised
his support. As it was ke Alt bound es appose it (Hear.)

Mr. H. DRUMMOND could oesool ;it ben. member
(Mr. Milne.) that he never rose het Owed to be tumor
ous than he did that night, for them was nothing very
lively in an incense tai. (Hear, hear.) The hon. member
H fee erefordshire told them that tho project of the Chan-
eats of the Exchequer woad had to a total dismember-
Nom* of the empire sad to the lirookimg up of landed pro-
perty. This Was not a tea as property, but on elder
Inethars. Moor. bear.) Now he had sot that antipathy
to eider Mothers WM be mosblaisobt of their being the best
end mint dieleguiihed attar wide lot. (Laughter.) But
after be noose tell the ben. sandman that in every
rook of life this law of anomesica was found to be a serious
evil by younger brothers. (Hear, hear.) And it was a
historical fact that it led to the breaking up of the aristo-
cracy in France. Elder sons succeeded to property with-
out any tax, where the younger sons had to pay the tax
on the few thousands which they received, and it was this
that led to the jealousy and opposition of the younger
brothers is the " National Convention." It had been said
that this wee a new tax ; it was so such thing ; roguititionso
post morrow were is ezistamo from the Cahouet till the
time of Henry VIII. If the present discussion led to a die-
eainsino, the things which would be put is mistreat would
be—use soy two systems of tazation—but the two budgets
of Mr
Das sod present government ferment; and
be wield ask
=Lndmass apposite if they would go to the toned-
wilt this ary—" Bare us elder sons, end take
doable bow* lea" (Cheer,.) This would be as short a
(gala or the rase as putting a big loaf on one
- end a little eft on another. (Laughter.) The influx
(view in this country would greatly tend to pi..) advantage
et IM leaded interest and to the detriment of the stock-

EVENING. APRIL 26, 1853

holder, tad before long thep would have abundant reason
to rejoice teat they had got land and sot stocks.
_Meer,
hear.) One word with regard to the income tax. He was '
perfectly astonished wine he beard gentlemen say that this
tax would be taken oil When he heard the late Sir R. Peel
state that the tax was onlyatemporory one, he thought it was
the grossest piece of imposture he over heard, and
he
most distant intention of taking it off—(laughter)—and,
whether this proposition passed or not, no man alive would
see the tax removed. (Laughter.) But it was said that
the tax was as immoral one, and the right hon. member
for Dangarvan exhibited great alarm lest it should degrade
the morals of Ireland. (Laughter.) What a notion that
that the shopkeepers of London were made immoral by this
wicked tax ! (Laughter.) Was it this wicked law that
made them traders in adulterated bread, milk, coffee, tea,
oocos, wine, and every other article that could be adulte-
rated ? (liter, hear.) It was only lest Sunday that he
passed by a manufactory of pickled cabbages. There were
piles of red cabbages, and under them wore carboys of oil
of vitriol to pickle them. (Laughter.) The truth was that
their traders and shopkeepers were an immoral people,
and it was not any law or tax of their. that
made them so. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) He un-
derstood that the income tax was a kind of substratum for
ultimately reducing the national debt, and this was the
first time that a proposition had been made for accomplish-
ing that end. It win ant fair to object to the proposition as
unpopular, unless they were prepared to point out some
better means for accomplishing that end. He denied that
the last budget was especially favourable to the landed in-
terest, for the repeal of the malt tax was confessedly for
the benefit of the labourer. However, he was glad that it
was found out at last that the land paid more than say
other interest in the country. He was a landed proprietor,
and he did not think that the landed prnprieton would be
acting wisely if they objected to the tax on successions.
(Hear, hear.) It was easy for any party—for metropolitan
members, or othen—to pick holes in any budget, and to
overthrow it on special objections. Were they, then,
to have budgets ? If so, that house might as well abdicate
its functions and adjourn ale. die. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. MUNTZ said it was with very great regret that be
roes to oppose the budget of the right hon. gentleman.
(Opposition cheers.) For in that budget there was a great
deal which he approved of, and which might be of service
to the country at large ; and if he could salve over his con-
science as easily as the hon. member for Pontefract (Mr. H.
Miles.) had salved over his, he should sit quietly there and
maker narmarks on the subject. But having voted for the
»eons tax when it was first introduced only on the ground
of expediency, and having on that occasion stated that he
dissented from the principle of an income tax as it was pro-
posed to be levied, be felt bound now to act consistently
with his declarations at that period.
Mr. B. STAN HOPE said if the Worm» tax was to be
permanent, as he believed it would be, it was most impor-
tant that its inequalities should be at once removed. It
pressed much more heavily upon the owner of house property
than upon the mortgagee; and as regarded land, he could
declare that be had himself for several years spent 30 per
cent in improving an estate which had been previously ill-
managed, which he had been assessed upon ell he had re-
ceived. (Hear, hear.) As regarded the ease of tenant
farmers, the conversations which he had had with some of
the best members of the class convinced him that farmers
required that they should be assessed upon one-third of
their rental instead of one-half. (Oh.) They ought,
like merchants, to be taxed in proportion to their receipts.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. BALL said several members who had spoken on
that (the ministerial) side of the house having declared that
they spoke in the name and on behalf of their constituents,
he must protest against that mode of patting the question,
as inconsistent with the gravity and extent of the interests
at stake. He could not help suspecting that the new'
movement for the abolition of the income tax originated in
a desire to pretreat the imposition of the legacy duty.
(Hear, hear.) Representing as he did an Irish constitu-
ency, he had takes the trouble to compere the effects of
the proposed changes upon Ireland. The relief arising
from the measure be estimated at 422,0001., the new taxa-
tion at 396,0001. The apparent advantage to this
country was trifling, but they must not forget the
hearth of the mass of consumers. (Hear, hear.) It did
not mush surprise him that the hon. member for Cork
(Mr. Fagan), representing a rich mercantile community,
should object to his eoastituents being milled upon for their
fair share of burdens; but that an hon. gentleman, who
knew bow therm cultivator had been ground down by
local tandem, should object to the immediate relief sow
palleada Sal Weed fill him with astonishment. If Irish
maim% opposed to the budget, had a definite policy, let
flageolets ft. (Hear, bear.) It was rumoured in public
prate that magaidoent promisee bad been made to
Mem; and, U the case were so, »presenting as he
did a pew seustry, he did not know how far he
Weals, tempted by such considerations. (Ironical cheers.)
As en Irish member he scorned to appear there as a men-
dicant. He did not want any favour for his con-
stituency, but simply justies.
Mr. OROGAN felt Mad to oppose the resolutions, and
denied that Ireland we derive benefits from the budget
sufficient to campmate Ise the imposition of the income
tax. The new tulle. biddably tax, and spirit duties, would
enema tio=OL, mil the remission of the annuities to
Hs scald set a When as against Ireland of 413,0001.
therehre aesept the measure as a fair adjust-
ment of taxation.

Fil;:-COID/INand Mr. lll.Gawoon MN together, the
former moving the adjournment of the debate.
Kr. RUNE hoped the ajournment would be to this day,
as they all knew the fate of debates that were allowed to he
over.

- 'fie CHAIRMAN said that, eonsistently with the stand-
ing order, the debate must be adjourned to Wednesday or
Friday.
Mr. W. t KNOX. protested vehemently against an ad-
journment to Wdwia, and against the
.proceedings of
the government with respect to this debate. He
had be a et the house for seven years, and had
never sees each peensedhigs before. (Laughter.)
A sheet ainveteatTen ensued between Lord J. Houma.
and Mr. Mecum on the point of order, end it was ulti-
mately arranged that the noble lord should move the sus-
pension cif the standing order this day, in order that the
adjourned debate might be taken on Thursday.

TIPPERARY ELECTION.
The SPEAKER announced the receipt of a letter, stating
that the petition against the return of Kr. 8. Sadbar would
not be proceeded with.
_ __CARLOW BOROUGH.

The SPEAKER .1. :saio;neeil tiaiisi=
aLe lon against
the retain of Mr. Alexander had bees s
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. _
-- -

Mr. 3d76lilkiiiiiTioveathVadis7usZeritor the house,
at the suns time 'spread% his spinbra that liberal smas-
hers had sot had infileisst opportunity of speaking on the
financial neolutioss. The boa. amber made one or two
further observations, which were lost is the noise of rasa-
ben Was/ the house.
LONDON AND EDINBURGH GAZETTE BILL.
The *woad reading of this bill was, after a conversation
between Messrs. Wilson and Cowan, postponed to Thursday
next.

lIIRCHANT SHIPPING (ADVANCES) BILL.
This bill west through aommittatirroforsta.
BOROUGH OF TAUNTON.

➢lr. morriffir:rionauseifiarkiiiiiext his motion
for the issue of a new writ for the borough of Taunton,
promising at the same time that the evidence should be in
the hands of members this day.
COAL DUTIES COMMITTBII.

Oa dm vas at&
eltaraed how farther atteadawee on tee Coal Duties (Ms-
tropolia) Caawletoe CIYIL
sad
Vvs Welmaley was added.
=SICE.

Col. DUNKS ao;di is; a NNW siaTwiag the abated
(made osier the act 4 sal i wB4 4, 0..24, between Avast.
1829, and the pigment date) Om Wades of persons ea-
played la the civil Denise of the mows, who have sewed to
bang to that sense is Maths, diastiesal,
radvalas or abilities a sa have thecae(' so
dein es mat hind.

Kr. WILSON opposed the nodes, as involving Mach
trouble and expense to the pablie service.
Negatived.
The other orders of the dap were disposed et, and the
house adjourned at half-past 12 o'clock.
Patna.—Yr. Frederick Lando. with Lord Chandos ;
Yr. Beason with Kr. Taken ; Colossi Harcourt with
the Hon. C. cavendish—on Friday night.