The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-03 00:00:00

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.(Hear, beer.) In what /Wilts thud,
right bon. gentleman and sinhin
' 'Aim Ido net use the word offensively,— joie ,
'with. regard to those district+ ? You will
limiting an adverse population—you will stleues
aorminer • population who will contest your dame.
bear.) That is• a circumstance of a Vim
must be deeply oonsidered. (Hese, hue.) -77”
up the right hon. gentleman, resemeebe,
cations of Ulster—tbey were conceived end phis
great statesmen and achieved crest result'. tykee,_
been the link which in trying times hes reoilm;,,.
nexion between the two countries; and why
De as successful under Queen Victoria, es ju g
under King lamas ?" (Hear, hear.) But wbea I I
the primary cause of the swam of the Ulster
am scarcely induced to believe that the right hoses
wotild be the statesman who would come forward alga
niche prindiple as would lead to success ie gems.
The plantation in Ulster was sumisful notes
thousand 'difficulties by the inspiring lace of a resk
Cl religious sentiment. (Hear, hear.) It Irma ego
of religious feeling that assisted those who plow;
and even with that inapiring source of nitres those,
times were often in difficulty and dancer. Tte et 4
gentleman is not, I presume, a staterman who villas
ward and look to a community of Minoan fed*
basis of his new plantation. (Hear, bear.) Thew
not misrepresented the right hon. gentleman, yee,te
will believe that substantial fanners—men of peg
and considerable scientific acquirements la 4,*
Well, but I am sure no hon. gentleman plena
I wish to say anything to hurt their Julius what le
that it is very probable the majority of thee eie
teal men that the majority and the greet
sa
of these farmer''—will be protestant. (Rm.
Protestants in the midst of a Roman catholic parolee
Roman catholic population who have not only a lid
of religion with these intruder'', but who look ea is
having an Inferior right to the land. (Hear, bete)
see all the feelings which would result from ie,tay
tationsly planted on a protestant principle, u putt
years ago. Are we to reproduce thou sources of cols
(Hear, hear.) Is this statesmanship ? No; I eta
believe you would sanction that principle. (ll*
Oh ! but yon Mutt deal with the circuit:lances befit
If you think you east do it, boldly antr.unce it ; hot, if
you glory in • country like England, and undornheu
riment of such vast properties', do you Mk,
are not to consider those cirmutances,
sot acting on chat principle ? You must cootie
(Hear, hear.) I say that totally independent of thefeeling, which, of. all others, lam sure the right het rd
man the member for Tenierorth is the lutessim
evoke. I say that independent of that comilinhe
very eirennistanoe that anything like a colony or plat
Is to take place in a country where the populieue.te
Ten* opinions, I 'say that will lead to results dile
calamitous hind. You cannot plant these Kenn Cut
without taking cars at the itme tints that they 0411
toned. (Hear, hear.) How are they to be protected
a fore* by arming tbemeelyes ; and instantly An
which has occurred in all plenta ins in the meteeryo
the development •of the military principle. I, Rio
for a moment believe that any attempt at bone coke;
of this kind, any attempt to reproduce, even is ama
form, and with the modified circumstances of thence
century—that any attempt to produce in the wend!
the Ulster plantation can end is anything bat err
which imagination cannot conceive, and mustachio
hereafter we will all hare to deplore. (Chun.) h
then, for a moment that the right hon. geatimns;
not to bo carried into effect so far as colonies, facia
and plantations, are concerned, but that cc we to
as I nadentook from the right boo. Ruhr
high commission to manage those lauds which*
not think it politic to plant now, sir, no
one point with respect to din bead of the
in the speech of the right hon. gentleman in viii
seemed also to be a deficiency. The right hoe. en
dwelt on the circumstances of the distressed dinner

proposed a commission for the management of Mose;
and he said the commission should be n local coats
that the commission for the management of those c
should be upon the spot. But the right hoe. get
seemed to have omitted from his consideration du
distressed districts do not lie all together. Look t
of Ireland. Trace that extensive western use
vast and indented coast, from the bay of
gal to Bente), bay. Throughout that extent
glen you will find some of those district
commence at the furthest point of Donegal, and ran e
Kerry. Yon have intervening the whole county o
the whole county of Limerick ; and where, then, are
have that local authority that is to produce these I
and to discharge duties that are to supersede the mete
authority, or the authority even of the viceroy
hear.) But, Mr, supposing you have, notwithstand
objection—l say it really with great respect to thesis
gentleman, because, on a subject so Tau as this, lay
observe on the subject is rather to promote a
Mon than anything else—(hear)-but suppose yo
this commision, this high commission, established.
it established in Limerick. I assume, for the mane
the high commission is established. Well, then, I
what is it to do ? The right hon. gentleman, vs
shadowy as he was, and which become the colons'
dons of this project—vague and shadowy as he ens
descend a little into detail on this head. To this ea
after he had submitted all thine measures—l tryu
eof the right bon. gentleman—all thornram
. house has passed for the mitigation of th
lags in Ireland, what are they to do ? We h
the measures. The right hon. gentltnun has
to them in detail. He has particularly dwelt
fund that was voted by this house to promote dm
Ireland, and which is under the management of t
eniesioners of Public Works. Well. I take the has
right hon. gentleman dwelt on. I speak in the pr
gentlemen on both sides of the hone, who will can
lam in error. Is there any gentle man who prutic
gine* that the application of these funds for the dr
lands can be better managed than it is by the Comm
of Public Works ? (An expression of dissent )
like to know the grounds upon which any gentle=
that. I form my opinion from no official is?
I form my opinion from those mesas, u
ample means on the subject, which
body's hands. I was reading the last r
the Commissioners of Public Works this.

and if they err in the amount to be granted (cc Cr
they do err at all, it is rather, I think, on the et
callosity. Evidence of better management, of ma
inquiry c of greater discretion in the eppliation
funds, I do not believe exists in the sneak ofi
body in this country. Can you suppose that the
commissioners of Limerick will be more riving,
nomic than the present commissioners of the board
(No.) Ido not know whether any gentlemen set
probably he may have refused an advance. (I
But pursue this strain of analysis of t
of the commissioners on this subject win
to the application of public funds. I cm
myself to believe that the lords high cow
for instance, could manage the funds raised by the
better than they are managed at present. Do
they will be able to raise rates in those unions to
fused to pay them ? (Hear, hear.) The right he
man, with that candour which always donne
when the duties ut a functionary are weaned,
justice to the vice-guardians. He Bays he does ni
possible that any body of men could have fulfilled t
with greater ability or greater regard for the pun
Well, then, why should we suppose that tJ
mistionen would be able to administer those I
greater ability? Take the advance of public
public works. Take the instance of the mina;
could the Lord High Commissioners do it the g
advanced half • million of money to a maws!
they admialater that 600,0001. ? Why, the dues
railway would not make the comminioners sr of
tors; ar, if they did, could they apply them
greater ability than those who have so intemessn
their admitiattation as the directors of the hes
Well, sir, so far as the plantation of the right boa
is concerned, I thiek it impolitic. So far as the mss
the present •Pande, the arrangement with rop
lead in whisk the state is concerned in thi
think it would be nugatory. I think, wed"
best eircumateneos, the • commissioners could not
for the publics advantage than the board, el
(Hear.) • Well, than, I come to the third err
tien of the right hoe. gentleman, and it n a
taut one. It Is that proposition which wed
PuliaMentarT fitle in Ireland; and starlings
eloquence a larger views of an experienced
we shall lard' to consider whether the maim"
suggests isyc Matured measure, or a crab
advised one. (Hear, hear.) Now, ac,
heard in many causes given for the soma
:the
of Ireland. I know of nothiwil mcrs
m modern political history of this 050
variety of dotage" that have occurred outlast aq
I &agree:anent public life at all, it was sopptsed
was misgoverned on account of the differ's.", of r
short time after that it was considered to he,
ber of members . They w
cause—that Ireland, for example, had not s non
her of memben of parlent. The han ow
iamere equally mad ite red' ,
governed. (Hear, hear.) Then it was discover!'
a political or religious, but a municipal caw.
Roman catholic aldermen. At last we had liNn
aldermen. I remember the Lord Mayor of
yyb
gold chain in this house—and there is now a L`:
Dublin present without a gold chain. flotlabg
misgovernment remained, and at last it OM
the coon of this misgovernment was not Pnlit4l
or municipal, but that it was material. It was u
letd. Well, the tenure of land went on some to
standing there was • commission that did not a
guinea into the misery of Ireland
cause suddenly became legal. Like al
jests which "cover a multitude of ues,
the right hon. baronet waslarlargebut
say for the exposition of the right hen.
geode]
has done that which I thought at last we °
from a gentleman of his great talents, his gee!'
and especially with respect to Ireland. The rig
tleman has discovered the real cause of the nor
government of Ireland. It is not • religious
not • political cause, nor a municipal, nor
material, ror • social—it is a legal cause.
Majesty's realm of Ireland has hell1
eery. (Hear, hear, and laughter.)
it • sufficient cause. Judging :rota
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perience, and the experience of our friends. to
sum up.
must be the consequences of • Chancery
dual. Nations, like individuals, must be
with us. When a gentlemsa is in Chancery
number aids servants ; he parts with his cot,
ment becomes more scant. C, Hear,: 11"
laughter;) The same influences in a nation
same eff‘ct ; and I accept the di donjon of