The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-17 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING, AUGUST 17, 1848.

did not cars who the Individual might be, whether it was
Indsßollin or the gentleman who who
hands with
him he could not recognise people of that kind as the
French Ration, or as those with whom he would wish his
country to be in alliance and cordial understanding;
and he was persuaded that it the noble lord pur-
seed his present system he (the noble lord) would
soon make this country of the same opinion as he
(Mr. Disraeli) was, lie (the noble lord) had it
within his means even now to act in a manner which would
add to his power, and to the greatness and reputation of
this country. He bad it in his power, even in this craven
age, to assert the principle of public justice in a manner be-
coming a British miniater, lie would find, then, that no
bandits would gross any mountains or invade any towns,
when they saw England prepared to uphold the principle of
public law. For in public as well as in private, he had seen I
enough to be convinced that in the long run nothing could I
withstand the majesty of law, tile force of truth, and the in-
spirations of honour. (Cheers.)
Lord PALM ERSTON.—Sir, I certainly do not rise to
°pertain, as the lion, gentleman who has just sat down
oemed to expect that I should, that this house his,
during the present session of parliament, exhibited any un-
due desire to impede the much of her Majesty's govern-
ment in regard to the conduct of the foreign relations of this
country, by mewing too hardly upon them for disclosures of
the course which they mean to pursue, or by calling for ex-
' planation as to the course which they may have pursued
' during the present session of pailiament. Sir, I acknowledge
with thankfulness, -my own part and on the part of thu
government, the discreet, I must say the judicious, imbue-
ance which this house his shown in reference to three mat-
tees. (lieu.) The members of this hou-e have, rightly no
doubt, c msidered that the public interest is frsqueetly best
consulted by allowing to the government of the day the free
exercise of their own discretion as to the conduct of im-
portant transactions with respect to foreign countries, re-
serving to themselves—as of right they are entitled,
and in duty bound to do—the exercise of their function
of calling to a strict account those whose conduct it
may appear necessary to investigate or to censure. (lieer.)
1, therefore, am tar from complaining of the course which
the hon. gentleman has pursued oar a former occasion, or 44
that which on the present he has thought lit to pursue. I
think the hon. gentleman has acted rightly in choosirm
to
apply the observation which he has thought proper to make
with reference to our fort ign policy, nut to the conduct en my
noble friend the Lord Privy Seal, but to tee office which I
bays the honour to hold. The honouratile gentleman
seems to be better informed than ho wiihes the ho
• nourable house to inter with regard to the mission,
and grounds, upon which my noble friend the Earl of Mints)
proceeded. Every one was, in some degree, aware of how
my noble friend acted. The fusee of the ease arc shortly
these:—Towards the end of the year, tut it is well known, in
contsequcuce of the altered policy of the head of the Romeo
government, principles of reform began to prevail, evil con-
etitutionel demonstrations were promul ,ated over the
whole surface of he country. Difficulties were experienced
between the government and people with regard
to those events ; there being on the part of the govern-
ment a desire to retain what the people wanted to abolish.
These difficulties were felt to be nowhere more pressing
than in the city of Rome. A communication was u Ida to
me, from a quarter upon which I could rely, conveying to
the government of this country that it was the anxious
desire of the government of Rome that an official mission
should I e sent to Rome, to aid that government, by its coun-
sel and advice, in se Wing the disputes between it and its
people. It was said there might be lege' difficulties in the
way of sending an accredit d agent to (tome. But this it
was suggested might be. removed 1--y sending an individual to
Rome, who, though not actually commissioned by this
country, yet, being a person having the coutidenee of the
British government, and being one possessing diplomatic ex-
nerienee, might effect a great service in arranging the digi
culties in question. Such a person we deemed Lord Minto
to be. Ile war at that time, on hie own private bushiest,
spending some time in Italy, and I thought I could not
better toil the intentions which were in view than by ad-
vising her Majesty to des:re the Earl of Minto to proceed to
Rome in that unofficial capacity, indeed, in which hn ha'
acted, but combining with it the weight of being a mem-
ber of the government, and possessing its mitre
confi-
dance, giving him a discretion to act upon any sudden
emergency that might present itself. I thought I could
not do better for both 'menu, both for people
and government, then by sending such a man as my noble
triend. Indeed, a similar with for some such mission on the
part of England had been expressed also by other parts of
Italy. My noble friend was instructed to take Turin and
Fie:Nance on his way, and he carries! letters of credit appoint-
ing him upon a special minion to then two court., if he
found it was the wish of those governms refs so to receive
him. To Rome, however, my noble friend carries' no
" official letter." The hon. ip ntleman who has just
addiessed the house asked what were the obiects which
my noble friend had in view. lie nicest what was the
purport and meaning of this uncalled for interference
which has taken place. I can say in the first place that the
interference was not uncalled for. My noble friend was to
be .s .ed to give such come el AP might tend t • remove such
athiculties PA might be pointed out. This was the purpose
of his mission—a purlieu which be successfully accom-
plished. ((sear.) My noble friend on the sine hand pointed
out to the governments that they might trust their rub-
bed], with the exercise of more constitutional privileges, and
ow the them bane to the subjects that, however ardent they
might or In reforms, their national objects would be beta
attained by placing confidence is their respective govern-
menu, and net urging them suddenly to change long.
established institutisus. Is Turin and Florence my noble
triend his been successful. Great and important changes
have been made in these two states without the disturb:rue
of the public tranquillity, or without the interruption
of
those harmonious relations between sovereign and subject
which it is such n derrable object to maintain. My nettle
friend's metire progress uiroughout Italy was almost an
ovation. He max received everywhere with the acclama-
tions of the people, and with. open arms by all
the courts. At Rome my noble friend's labours
were directed to the same objects, and were attended
with the same mimeos. Ile had no wish to go to
the Court of Rome. When my noble friend was at Rome
a communication was made to me by the Neapolitan
'minister that the Sovereign of Naples would take it as
a compliment it' my noble friend would proceed from
Rome to Naples. My answer to this communication was,
that if he received an invitation through the queen's charge
d'atiairee, my noble friend would go. Ile was nut instructed
to pe there, hut his duty was plain. He was invited, and
in consequence thereof the necoueary credentials were sent
to him, and also instructions communicated. During the
unfortunate ditesrent es which broke out between the King
of Naples arid his Sicilian subjects both parties asked for the
mediations and interference of British diplomacy to endeaveur
to arrange and se•tle the dispute. My noble friend was in-
vited to go to Naples. lie went there accordingly, uad em-
ployed himself with that zeal, diligence, and ability for
I which he is remarkable, in endeavouring to bring about a
reconciliation on condition which would maiutain the crown
of the two countries upon the same head, 1 will not go into
a minute detail of the circumstances which characterised
these negotiations, nor advert to more than one event which
tended to render them unsuccessful. But, at the period when
those negociations were almost brought to a lathe-
factety conclusion, the news of the revolution at
Paris and the events in that country arrived ;
and the house may imagine the eft, ct the intelligence would
have on the minds of men. These circumstances led to in-
crone d difficulties, which were not met with concession on
the one hand, or light demende upon the other. The result
was, that the people of Sicily declined to acknowledge the
King of Naples as their sovereign, and the King declined to
confer the crown of Sicily upon one of his sons, to whom
that crown belonged. They chose a prince accordingly, who,
in their judgment, would be the best for the interests of the
country. It was immaterial whether that opinion
coincided with that of tier Majesty's government
the choice was made entirely by themselves;
and at that time her Majesty's government bad
signified that they would be ready to acknowledge any sees-
reign whom the Sicilians might choose when he was in
actual possession of the throne. The hon. gentleman wants
to know what is the intention of the government in regard to
the employment of the naval force of this country now sta-
tioned in the Mediterranean with respect to any expedition
which the government of Naples may think it necessary to
fit out. lam very tarry that I feel myself obliged to follow
in the steps of my noble friend beside me, and nay noble
friend in the other house of parliament, and to ray that it is ,
not the practice of the government, and it is not expedient
u regards public interests, to establish a habit of announcing
in parliament what the int ntions of the government are in
regard to anticipated events in foreign parts. (Hear.) What-
ever may be the course the government may think it neces-
sary to take we shall be prepared to justify and defend
tied course ; and it will be for the house to determine
whether we have acted properly or not. (Hear.) New
then so much in regard to the policy which this government
has pursued in respect to the affairs of Italy, and in reference
to the mission of my noble friend Lord Minto. That mission
was founded on the most disinterested motives; the motives
which led to that mission had in them nothing that could be
considered sordid, base, selfish, or interested. (Hear, hear.)
Our object was to do pond wherever we thought that good
could be accomplished. The only British interest which we
believe could be served by the mission was the interest which
England, as a great power, must always feel in msintaiuing
peace in other countries, and wherever she was invited to
do so to interfere for the progress of civilisation, of tee im-
provement and the happiness and we II being of all her Ma-
jesty's e.ubjeete. But the hon. gentlemen adverts to the more
event events that have taken place in the ninth of Burs, pe.
He seems to think that the mediation which this country had
engaged in partook of the character of as impertinent inter-
terence without any legitimate object, Red incapable of
leading to any result whatsoever. Sir. I can only
say that that mediation is the result not of any
spontaneous and intrusive desire of this country to meddle
in matters with which we had no concern, but se the result
of earnest entreaties and repeated applications made to us,
I may say, by all the partite concerned,directly or indirectly,
in these transactions, Sir, it is the result of a wish
expressed at the beginning and end by the government
ct Austria. (Hear, hear.) By wishes expressed at the outset
and repeated not three days ago. (Hear, hear.) It is the
result of wishes expressed by the government of Sardinia
and the people of hely. It is the result of wishes expresece
by the government of France ; and I must say that, if in
answer to all these wishes es) expressed we obstinately
end doggedly refused to interfere—(hear, hear)-1 think
we should then, indeed, be deserving of that censure
which the bon. gentleman and his friends seemed to think
we are deserving of for the course which we have already
pursued. (Hear.) The government of Austria, in the be-
ginning, asked our good Mikes, and even at so late a period as
the 15th August, expressed a strong desire that we should
take a part in the settlement of their affairs. The govern-
ment of France were requested to interfere by
military assistance in aid of the Italian cause. The
hon, member, however, says that Ira= would have had no

right to meddle in this affair. Now, I think that that is a
"s
asieuto
qhuereest.ionTerhehreichmiatywobVddipeiterrehratsvit fortheusextopeddiscienuemy
and policy or justice of interference between two countries
that were at war with each other; but, in point of strict
right, there can be no question that when two countries
are, even by his own account, thus situated, it is compe-
tent for • third party to take whichever side he
pleases in the matter. Sir, I will not enter into a dis-
cussion of the circumstances under which the war
began. The hon. gentle men seems to think that part of
the instructions given to Lord Minto were to prevent Austria
attacking Sardinia last year. Now this is not the fact.
This point formed no part whatever of the instructions
given. Lord Mints tad no minion to Austria. It was
part of his mission to induce the Sardinian government to
abstain from hoatilite s towards Austria, which the latter
country apprehended, but under circumstances totally diffe-
rent from those which characterised the movements of the
Sardinian army. The Austrians required possession of the
whole of Italy, and the government rrufessed to apprehend
some hostile intention on the part of the King of Sardinia.
Undoubtedly the British government did urge the King tif
Sardinia to abstain, if he had such intentions, from ad-
vancing hostilely by armed forces. But when these late
military events took place, the French government was ur-
gently asked to afford military aid to the Italian troops.
The hon. !Kreitman who protesees to think that it is, and
oughtto he, and has been, the sound policy of th's country—
liable only to partial exceptions—to be on a footing of
lriendship and general co-operation with France—the bon.
gentleman who thinks thus has, I believe, been somewhat'
unfortunate in the manner in which, as far as we are con-
cerned, he has this day endeavoured to give effect to that
community of good feeling which should exist between
us. I enter fully lino the spirit of his doctrine, how-
ever I may lament the manner in which he has en-
deavoured to carry it into effect.. (Hear, hear.) Sir, I
would wish to forget, if possible, and I should wish
that the French nation would also forget, if possible,
those parts of hie speech which ere nut ealculated. to
I u f promoteth
w union
ereane cde tsy eecunrcthtie,
they were
ecroeunnotLiesto.
raise the they were i,itendud, as lam cure they were not, to
I relic the Luitti r jealousy of one great nation towards an-
other—to wound their pride—to dare them to that which
you, alter all, wished them not to do ; it the hoe. gentleman
intended differently from what I know he dues intend to the
gene eel interests of Europe, to produce great public evils to
the Mae of order and civilisation, I do not kn iw that he
could have thrown into the ...Wren of discontent a 114010
hitter ingredient or more poieenous drugs than those which
he has infused into his speech. (Beer, hear.) But, I say, I
will not answer in detail seeat I have already. stated in
genteel terms, fur fear I shot - I be the nnwilline instrument
of peeling the shaft still shareer than it has been. But I will
merely say that the hon. gen.neman is very much mistaken
and his friends are also vies -ouch mistaken it they fancy
that there is anything in the present condition of Franco
which makes it inipossibls foe tier is take pert in any hostile
interference, if her govientre et should be desirous of em-
barking in such. There coule. not be any greater error than
to assume such a thing. The present army of France might,
if it so pleased that nation, pear her legions over the Alps
now, as it had done on a former occasion. Let not the house
imagine that any vain phant^s had created alarm or un-
mine et on the part of the treseenment I admit we should feel
that the interlerence on th.e part of France in Italy would be
pregrant with those dangers which the hon. member had
describe.' in all their magnituaa. Ile my., if France goes into
Italy, ell Germany will go the other way; and if Germany
should take the field against trance, Russia will be sure to
follow her footrepe. It is nc doubt very easy, under such
circumstances, to anticipate icry great calamities arising.
But if the govern's:it nt of Fence tells us that they have
been pressed for their arrcal interference, but that they
did not wish to proceed to thn extent—that they would be
willing to enlist themselves is conjunction with us for the
purpose of settling matters be mediation, and that they ask
an to assist them in securing the objects on much desired
in the spirit of friendship, ee-sly no One wit suppose that
] England could have any hostile views in regard to Austria in
scripting of their terms. What both governments may
unite together to do in this respect must lie a work of peace.
The French government aed to us, " If you will offer
mediation conjoined with ur. we will sespend our decision
I as to any intentions which nese lead to the iteloption of other
measures." I say, Sir, :eat the government of this
I country you'd be incapable of discharging the responsible
duties which devolve upon teem, if in such case they had
not acted in the manner deecrilietl. That, then, in the only
motive which hem led us to .wcept of this joint mediation.
The principle is that of maineening the peace oh Europe. The
means and objects by which this 0 to be brought about give
rise to a tite stion which revives itself into a series of de-
tails, which I feel it is my euty at present to refuse. Sir,
the hon. geiitlema't has beetled the French government
with the ca operation that nes existed at different periods
between the French anti English governmenta, and he has
included, in the sweeping -'.age of his artillery, not only
our camp, but that of our peelecessons in office—the party
who nit opposite. He has taunted us with our interference
in Belgium and in Bollard, -.eel with depriving of his rights
a living sovereign • but, sir it is well known that the plan
we acted on in retired of diet interference was one that had
been laid down by our psziecessers, after long negotia-
tion. on the subject, and reereover that that interference
wan made at the request e! the sovereign whose rights
the hon. gentleman has a-id we have set at naught.
It wag at toe instance and ey the request of the King of
the Netherlands, that the Five Powers, of which England
I was one, undertook the esuference, and established the'
armistice between the contending parties in that care,
which issued in the result alluded to by the hon. gentle-
man. (ll.sr, hear) The non. gent!emen said that the
alliance of France ought to ee a product of the occurrence I
'of circumstances, and not of the creation of events
or the invention of opportunities. But when, and by
whew, were these events created, and them opportunities
rove nted ? Did we create these everts which have con-
vulsed the whole of Europe l-'.m tnd to end (Bear, hear.)
Del we invent the opportunize that has arisen for the um
tual action of Ft anoe and England in the present instance ?
(Hear.) We were in hopes neat the mutual action of France
and Freeland in the matter would prevent the extension
of internal to extents' :ear; hsnre our combination.
I am anxious, 1 hope we ellen Ise able, to presets e the
peace of Europe—a peace which I may say has through that
action existed without disturbance fer a period of 30 yearn,
hut which tor the last le --ars has certainly been main-
tained by the good un:erstantling that has obtained
in that period between Ynglene and France. It is
fel. this purpose, sir, that we have combined with France ;
it is for this obi. et we are gled to combine with the French
government, whoever they any happen to be, to avert
the horrors of war. ( Hear, `ear.) And, sir, notwithstanding
the hon. gentleman's emcees, I bold it to be an object of
which any government, me: the government of England
more especially, may justly feel proud. (Hear.) With re-
gard to the principal incidrets which the hon. gentleman
has passed over in such re p e succereion in the course of his
speech on this occasion, they are all explicable on this general
principle. Some of these incidents, however, the expedition
to Ancona for instance, wl-ieh he designates as a violent
interference on the part ce the two governments, neither
government is accountable ear ,• that, ut least, was not done
by the government who brought the razsias of Africa into
the Mutts of I'aris, but be that severer government and
sovereign whose wisdom the hon. gentleman has so highly
eulogised. We are, tberefore, proud to say that, in
the face of those great es snts which have recently dis-
turbed the fabric of seseety in Franca—those events
which have overturned the antecedent governmeat of
that country, and brought it->a power men other than those
who for a lung period preseously had wielded the govern-
ment—we arc glad, I Tepee., to find that, in spite of these
events, and their results, selose persons who now govern
the French nation, and i firmly believe a great ma-
jority of the French metier itself, maintain a frank, a
loyal, and an enlightened desire that the policy of
France in this respect ma; find itself in unison with the
Policy of this country. I an,, also, looking at the events of
the last few months, aesoier important fact has been
proved. namely, the rapid marines that has been made to-
wards the establishment of ea enlightened policy as between
nations during the last herr century. The same events
that have occurred within the last four months, occur-
ring fifty years previouesv, would have involved the
whole of Europe in war. We have, however, had changes
in all the nations which ninpose Europe—changes too of
a fundamental character ; mad yet there exists, I may say,
in the minds of all men, a -teem and even an anxious de-
sire for the preservation of external peace. (Hear.) It is
consoling to find those who are at present the organs of
!colic opinion in the French nation, instead of turning
loose, as was done in the rest revolution, all the had pas-
sions of the people for the ;remotion of war—it is consoling,
I say, to find that they are occupying themselves instead
with the internal interest. of their own country, and are
desirous to preserve ordc in France by consolidating
French liberty and estabeeeing French freedom. That,
sir, does honour to these "lea, whatever may have been
their previous associations, -.r in whatever course they have
been antecedently embarked. As long as England and
France act together for the eeace of the world, no long will
every effort they snake to that end be adapted to since»
and honourable purposes. 3.t is impossible twe such nations
as France and Eugland shesed unite for any purpose which
is not avowed in the face or all mankind. We propose now
one of that description ; an.. trust in heaven that our pro.
posal may be successful. I trust that the efforts of two great
nations for the happiness ales advantage of mankind, mty, in
this instance, he successful. At all events, our best efforts I
shall he directed to that cad ; and whether we succeed or
whether we fail, I feel persuaded that the unanimous judg-
ment of parliament will thick that we are right in making
the endeavour. (Cheers.)
Mr. H. DAILLIE asked the noble lord, an regards Spain,
whether the friendly relations that previously existed be-
tween both countries should be renewed ; and whether
England WWI still considered to be bound by the quadruple
treaty. The noble lord had told the house thet the object
of the treaty of the quadruple alliance was to assist the
establishment of liberal governments in Spain and Por-
tugal. But bad it accompliebee that (Ask et? On the
contrary, was not the most violent, arbitrary, and illegal
government that ever existed established in those countries
There was, indeed, a new Cortes assembled, and the Cahn'.
ists were nominally excluded, but the tools of the Cabralista
were there, and did the work of oppression effectually. The in-
terference of the British government in the affairs
of Spain had been productive of the establishment there of a
more griading and oppressies tyranny than had ever be'ore
prevailed there. In reference to the circumstances which
had led to a cessation of dnelomatic intercourse between this
country and Spain, he certainly considered that the Spanish
government had acted with very great indiscretion ; but on
the other hand, the charges which they brought against our
minister at the court of hifterid, and which our government
had refused to entertain, were of a most grave character.
Sir Henry Bulwer himself did not deny one of the very
gravest of these enarges, thizof having received into his house
the progressist leaders who had be, n conspiring against the
do jade government of Span, a course which clearly ren-

dered him liable under the law of nations, to the cx- been laid upon the table of the house. Re en.
pulaion to which. be had been subjected. He regretted not occupy the time of the house by pyii:ti.:1".2,1110414
that the evidence in the. matter bad not been laid on failure of both hon. members in we-;:se,twee tote
the table of the house, so a. to place the real facts of the case speech or the despatch, but be should be contentr-°°-anths
before the country and befeee Europe, and to cast the blame both to be compered with the speeches this day delis
on the shoulders really en* eled to bear it. by the two henoutable members. But he (Leturdda" --r'es,'„,_l2si
The Citaiitsree then .sported propels and obtained felt it due to Sir Henry Bulwer to notice three ele,„%alelW)
leave to sit again at 5 o'clock. had been brought forward by the hon. member I -„,_"'''t
The b' ore adjourned at self-pat 3 till 6. shire (Mr. H. Bernie) as the grounds which"lnienT—'',„
Thu house resumed at 5 o'clock. justified the Spanish government in demanding h'
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IRISH COLLEGES. and, if not recalled, in sending him away from Madrid.
Mr. GROGAN had a .euestion to ask respecting the
Bulwer did no such thing— he had
first charge was that Sir H. Bulwer had pi -,,--,'" 14
Queen's colleges in helve& Two years since considerable rators to assemble at his iesideace. This charge '''''O'
sums had been voted for the erection of four colleges in Ire- tnry to fact, was totally unfounded and isejlec set en.
laid, for the education of the middle classes. Those edificesdenied it It
were now in a forward state, so much so that he believed the most distinct and positive terms—there w —ea," ki
some of them would be open early next re .r. The hon. mem- the shadow of a proof adduced to supeartu it,ea, "se‘s
yeers, it wes impoesibre for act bar read a letter already published in the papers), pulp gt. he (Lord Palmerston) reiterated that the weerion
ing to be from the Earl of enarenden to Archbishop Murray, true, and was toteliy and entirely without the shadow
stating that the ordiamice. mspecting the colleges bad been foundation. (Hear, bar.) The hon. member heree- •
revised in such a manner se, to obviate Roman esthetic object misunderstood the argument which he (Lord Palau"„--,
Mons, and begging his grace to submit them te the Pope for had u.seil in the despatch Leering on this question. lank
his approval. This letter bed appeared in all the papers, and despatch he bad stated that in a country like Spain wham
he ( Mr.Grogan)thought be was warranted in calling the wn- there had been from 30 to 4) changes of imi ' W6litte
nhi:ntthso.uAghattlgsact copulleiramsehnatdhbeeaana 3.paceinimeofretoigh.tv.Aordtpeenrwaai
intercourse with
i..,,.it f
~,..,
triiiintlittolf Pariththelipaeumabriltalliicatinttoorinnueloyclation respecting any alteration in were opposed to one government or another 1.1"60,„,„„7
Such was the argunnutemtaM4
their statutes. He wished to know whether, if the letter minister could but shut his door agaLt is( e''''
was genuine, the gable lord at the head of the government divelual with whom he had been in ealeiTe In
would lay it on the table ; and also whether the ordinance' mutilation as a member of the Spanish Rome ~,e
sdayibl el. thater°r et' becauseher etg sthe nerantie ezet hea w2cluedrO 'Lilo/3ff odic
es'cL'add:e:we:
bad been submitted to the hithops of the established church
'or the synod ? eition to the administration of his successors. It e es-er""e,_
Lord J. RUSSELL said the house was aware that a bill
had been passed fur the purpose of establishing colleges in nation could so regulate his social intercourse as 'solute' eel'
Ireland for promoting the education of the middle classes it, the habit of communication with persons oppeeed jet-1;n
that country. It appeared to the Lerd-Lieutenant that the Tenement of the day.
object of paniament would not be assured if the Roman ca. his despatch. (Ilear, hear.) The other charge ee_e•
tholic youth were deterred from attending the collegir, and against Sir H. Bulwer MB that he had nereem 'eel
therefore he put the statutes into such a shape as to cbviate who hail conspired against the Spanish gover enti4a2
the objections of the It man catholic clergy. As to the who were in a state of concealment ream the pursuitn 01'6..
letter quoted by the lion. weu.ber, he could not give a psi- tice. Sir H. Bulwer to that aceuseth n had stead that wee,•-
tive answer. upon the universal practice of all ;he foreign when me's.'
Mr. GROGAN asked if the statutes had been submitted to ci.odurvidotialfMewdhrioda,draihe had received
trheacetivheed
hfuordabetteteocorry Mfde,..,:"tt
the protestant Archbishop of Dublin 1
Lord J. RUSSELL could not say. No doubt they would Insurrection, or rather in the attempt at an ' reee..--
have been had any protestant objections been advanced. and some others who had been suspend, etej-",,s ,
Mr. GROGAN observed that ..vie of the colleges was in- afterwards appeared urjustly suspected, of treeing teese-sse
tended for the pretheterians, and yet they had received no in those pruceediop ; but Sir li. Bulwer Allmon thetr'e,
notice of the alterations. practice was ackaowleffind and admitted in eledec,
SLAVE TRADE. would have been disgraceful in him to have retard l tee.:
On the order of the day for a coo mittee of supply being racy asylum to these individuals ; and he (Leail P steeee
read, thought thought that his havicg done this presented no jam veil
Mr. URQUHART rose to move " That from the carte- on which the Spanish government hada right to me arse
spondenee laid upon the table of the house in reference to the recall or to send Lim away. (Hear, hear.) The mei,:
suppression of the sieve Mettle in Museulmen countries, it last charge nade against Sir H. Delete was theta/ ma—
appeare that her Majesty's tenants have adopted proceedings given nu r . futation to the accusation of having cestagit-
calculated to aggravate the horrors of the traffic, and to money for the purpose of getting up the Madrid •
alienate from this country the good will of the governments Why that ridiculous and trumpery charge hadili7erliittelma
and nations so interfered with. The hon. member, amid a by Generel Pezuela, who had the commando( the ---'
buzz of cony. nation which rendered his observati ens els oat forme at the time ; and he (Lord leameracn) busted itms
inaudible, was understood to say that he made this motion not necessary for him to assure the house Viet taut ease./
in consequence et the correspondence which had Leen laid on no. the slightest ground for that Makatea' and abnite-
the table dewing the previous week, and he hoped to prove putation. (Hear, near.) It had been said that hien
how very injurious and inefficient had b'en all our diploma. great pity that her Majesty's govemmenthad nst semi
tic efforts fur the suppression of the slave trade is Turkey, Count Mirasul to retract these charges. Coast Mew
Persia, and other Ifluerulman countries'. We had threatened preferred no charges, but only came as a winkle. Bottom
them with 001111SCAlion, and had even entered into discussions time had been allorced to H. !sterns to tetra: theme Me.
with their doctors relative to their laws; and yet, he main- attempt was made either to retract or prima timi-
taincd that with all these vexatious proecedinaa the cause of He therefore wholly dismissed that mem?. It Lei, neonate,
slavery abolition had not been advanced sue jut. Slavery been asked, what WAS the present state of the rthemsof
was part of the law of Persia and all Mahornetaa coon- this country with Spain ? His reply was, that the peeLl
tries, and we had no more right to interfere with it than state of the relations with Spain steed thus—the cliploace
they had to interfere with our internal affairs. The only intercourse between the two countries war slummed Fee
result he could draw from the papers on the table was, that ther it had been inquired, what means a British werchut
the British minister had used hip best effete' to pick a quay- resident in Spain, and who had suffered wrong from the ro
red with Persia. The result of the noble lord's policy was vernment there, had to obtain a mammal of thesi wrote i
to force a quarrel on Persia, and drive her into the arms of The reply was, that in every part of Spain this countryfied
Russi.e consular officers, whose duty it would, be to make mem
Mr. HUME having seconded the amendment, tions to the government on behalf of the British merelent,
Lord PALMERSTON observed that he was an enemy and if these applications were not attended to then wen
to slavery in any form. The gem rument, therefore, other measures which the government would adopt to AM
thought that it war not an improper application of the moral attention to representation' of the character eluded to.
'renitence of England to endeavour to induce Mahometan as (Hear.) Another hon. member wanted to know how thil
well as Christian; countries to pat an end to the practice of country stood now with reference to its treaties with Spa.
the slave trade. The first country in whirls they made the Those treaties were not in any degree affected by the we
attempt was Tunis, and the Bey of that country, yielding to pension of diplomatic relations between the two countries;
that influence, not only abolished the slave trade, but the and though it was not his (Lord Palnisreton's) province to
condition of slavery altogether in his dominion. (Hear, answer hypothetical questions, he would not hem Late to Ma
hear.) In that country at least that result bad followed that if any application was made by Spain to this coulees)
from our interference, which the hon. member raid we could carry out
theta eaties, it would then be for her Magnet
never hope for in Mahometan countries. (Cheers.) Then governme consider whether the claim made wa
the government addressed themselves to the Sultan, and en- good, and to give the Spanish government an am
deavoured to induce the government of Turkey to prevent accordingly. He nould also go as far as to rya this
the
the slave trade being practised by their subjects, feeling quadruple treaty had been contracted for very petticoat
that it was too much to expect thut they would put circueastacces, and that it was not very likely twat at meat
an end to the condition of slavery. And atter five months' any question would arise to which the provisions of that
exertions they did succeed in obtaining from the Sultan a treaty could be applied. Again, it had been asked what geed
airmen prohibiting the slave trade as carried on by the sub- had been effected by the government having mixed itself op
jects of the Parte. Minister* next directed their efforts to in the affairs of Spain and Portugal, and what herein pad
the Imaura of Muscat, who was • great slave trader, and by accrued from the quadruple treaty ? Why it must be re-
whose subjects the slave trade MA carried on in the most membered that the very signing that treaty put an end to a
barbarous manner, and they succeeded so far as to induce dreadful civil war in Portugal—led to the surrender of Dot
that sovereign to prohibit his subjects within certain limits Miguel, and to Dan Carlos at once coescntiag to
from carrying on that trade. Then they had treaties with quit Spain. This was all accomplished without sae
many of the Arab chiefs, by which they engaged not to expense to this country beyond that of the pen and Mk enth
carry on the slave trade. Then came Persia. He was glad which the treaty was signed. (Hear, beau) As to hi
the hon. member had quoted the despatches of Col. Shiel on transactions last year in Portugal, there a civil war, thick
the subject, because the more those despatches were read the threatened to be of long duration, had been put an cede;
greater credit would be reflected on that gentleman, whom and thought he did not pretend to say that everything thee
ability and zeal in the performance of his duties had since gone en exactly as her Majesty's government bed
entitled him to the highest praise. (Hear, hear.) a right to expect, yet at all events peace hail been msim
Colonel SIAM had laboured with great assiduity to tamed in Portugal, while all Europe. had been conceited
persuade the Persian government to fellow the example of He was not willing further to deism tie house ou these
the Sultan, the I maum of Muscat, and tho Arabian chiefs, matters; he had given such answers as be felt himself a
and to pionibit the subjects of the Shah from carrying on the liberty to supply, and he hoped the house would think he
slave tracte in the l'ersian Gulf. And, unfertunattly fur the tree done as much as was consistent with his duty. (lime
hon. member, notwithstanding his ingenious and elaborate Mr. BANK ES thought that one of the noble lord's repim
argument, the documents produced before the slave-trade furnished one ground against a portion of the vote now
committee, which were now, he believed, on the table of the bt fore the committee, tor the noble lord had shown that the
house, would show, "inc e the correspondence the hon. mem- country could go on as well with only consuls to ri pron.%
ter quoted from, that the Shah had issued a firman to pro- her abroad as she could with the more costly re pun:Meru
Whit his subjects from carrying on the slave trade. (Hear.) —ambassadors.
After a few words from Mr. 'URQUHART, who denied that Lord G. BENTINCK said that he wantede to 1010,1
the noble lord had fairly represented him, whether the rt quest made by Austria militia
Mr. HUME, though agreeing that government were jut- of this country had not been made so far back as ten weeks
tiled in using all legitimate influence to put down the slave ago, at a time when the Austrian government was in its beg
trade it, other countries, objected to the attempts to effect of need and difficulty—when the whole of Europe war
the object by means such as those employed on the coast of in combustion—when the Emperor had been dries foe
Africa, which, instead of effecting the object in view, only his own capital and forced to lunspruck—when the vette"
added to the horrors of the traffic. General Radetzki had been driven with his troops from
Sir It. I NGLIS reminded the hon. member that during Milan ? Was not this the precise time when the good thus
the 14 elute the Afric in squadron had been kept up, we bad and mediation of Great Britain were sued for by the Am
taken e 0 ships, which, if not captured, would have conveyed trian government, and refused by the noble lore) opptaie
190,1100 slaves to the American coast. (Lord Palmerston) ? lie wanted also to know whether as
Lord .1. RUSSELL observed that the subject to which mediation asked for on that occasion had not been &MUM
the hon. member for Montrose had adverted hal been the fiat by Baron Kohler, and afterwards by Count Dieted-
subject of inquiry before a committee, and he would examine stein, who succeeded him; or whether the request. halter
the evidence to see if it were possible to adopt other measures from the Germanic Diet at Frankfort? These questions he
better calculated to suppress the trade. What he rose for should like to have answered before the vote for the Forties
was, however, to express a hope that the house would not office was agreed to. Wasthe request made before orafteree
now, on the 16th of August, enter into any very long discus• noble lord had announced that he had detenninedto joie welt
lions, but that they would allow the committee of supply to France in the mediation l The King of Sardinia bating
proceed with the consideration of the remaining estimates. thought fit to invade the dominions of the Emperor aline
Lord G. BENTINCK reminded his hon. friend (Sir R. trig, the latter had aright to chastise the in.adcr and all the
Inglis) that during the fourteen years to which he referred, laws of nations and war forbade interference bequeathal.
we had by our interference inflicted the most aggravated suf. The hon. member for Middlesex (Mr. Osborne) had stated
ferings on from 80,000 to 100,000 wretched beings. He gave that he did not intend to oppose the Tote of 2,0001. to deem
credit to his noble friend (Lord J. Russell) for being lin- the expenses of Lord Minto's mission, on the principle tlat
' pressed with a most laudable hatred of the slave trade ; but as the noble lord had preserved peace be was cheap at RI
he thought he took an awkward way of showing it when he price. (Laughter.) Now he (Lord G. Dentinal was Mille
gave prectical encouragement to slavery and the slave trade at a loss to discover of what use Lord Minto hid been a
by the introduction of slave-grown sugar. (Protectionist Preserving peace; on the contrary, it appeared to him en:
cheers.) the noble lord had done much to provoke the ratam
The amendment was then put and negatived, and the lye'
house the subjects of the King of Sicily.
(Rear, e, Mud
house resolved itself into committee. His hon. friend the member for the esunty.
On the vote that 72,5001. be granted for the salaries and Disraeliehad desired to know what had been the itistroctini
expenses of the department for foreign affairs, given by her Majesty'e government to the Queen's ewe
Mr. IIANKES-renewed the discussion on the subject of acting in the Mediterranean, and the torkle lord bad alma
foreign affairs, demanding to know if hostile orders had to answer that question. His hon. friend iiad no: implied
been given to he British fleet towards the crown art Naples ; as to future instructions, but with reference to past intim-
ated also demanding inquiry as to our present relations with tions, and what had been the acts done by the authiwited
the court of Spain, but imputing no blame to Sir H. Bulwer, the British government in the dispute between the Rug d
and admitting that he did not exceed the authority with the Two Shad a
his rebellious subhave answer jects. This weilt
ll
which he was Invested. question he had a right to ask and to ed.
Mr. MACGREGOR drew attention to the CM of Col. load been commonly reported that while the aeunUies Wm
Bristow's expulsion from Spain, and asked for explanation thrown into confusion by the sudden and unexpected Mint
thereon ; at the saute time he readily admitted, with the of the people, and when the latter succeeded in overpowerise
noble lord, the great inconvenience of discussing such matters the King's forces in Sicily—and when the King a
at that period of the session. Naples, recovering from his astonishment, had pee
Sir D. L. EVANS fully concurred in the lad remark,
pared ate army of 30,000 men, which would ball
and expressed his regret that the present session should have overpowered the insurgents, the British men.of.mg,
been eo remarkable for such discussions. In fact, two con- under Sir William Parker, appeared in the Bay of Naples'
tinental power, could not have the least dispute without in- and a message was gent by the Bulldog steamer to in
during some hon. gentlemen of that house to call upon the the King's forces that if they proceeded, as they bad it
government for intervention, while other hon. gentlemen de. tended, to bombard Palermo, and to reduce the warren
mended that there should be no intervention. The course to obedience, they would be opposed by the forces of WI
now pursued regarding Spain and Portugal was not new, Queen of England. (Hear.) This was a point upon which
but similar to that adopted by this country for fifty years he trusted the house and country would receive some clew,
past ; and again he must say that he utterly deprecated dim distinct and unequivocal information from the government
CIIIII6O/1 on such subjects pending soy negotiation. The CHAIRMAN WY about to put the vote, when
Mr. HUME said it was true that for the last fifty years
Mr. URQUHART hoped the noble lord app eite (Lord
our polity had been that of intervention, and that policy Palmerston) would answer the question which had been pat,
lie objected to.
Mr. P. HOWARD said it was undeniable that by the in. at an earlier period of the debate, as to the circumstance!
which had led to the proposed mediation in the ante
tervention of this country last year, a period had been put to Italy being undertaken.
a very fierce and bloody civil war in Portugal, and the con.was
stitotion of that country had been restored to its legitimate tore was male on the part of the BritLitegovernment, it _
Austria nod the Pontifical States would not be lost sight of
and ordinary form, and he trusted the question between I merely an offer to rai diate, and be hoped the house sroeld
viscount PALMERSTON said that when the fret oven
or disregarded in any of those pacific measures of advice and or arbitrator, in which character this mediation h d el:
not overlook the distinction between the office of alllamm.pif
intervention which were mutually adopted between the B,Pelten of by some hon. members, and that of a simple_ _
government of France and the crown of England. Bator employing his good offices. (Hear, bear.
ands,
) nes
Mn. B. OSBORNE said that if the old intervention policy gentlemen had talked of the arbitration of Eugland,
was to be resorted to there would be no end to estimates Ana .8 tto en•
supplemental estimates our the service of the f. oreign depart, their character. The first request to this governmet,
head of foreign affairs on- the Italian question, end deli- ltslY
mint of the state. But the speech of the noble lord at the ngland and France acting as umpires ; but that wisest
ploy its good offices with a view to restore peace innorle.ste
vered at the morning sitting, exhibited the elevated
statesman. (Hear, hear) lie for one thanked the noble been sent over by the Austrian government Prong 7
views of a philanthropist in the dienifled language of the heel been made by Baron Hummeleu,r, who bad
that purpose. That offer was not ueclined. There vas ,te
terence between the two
lord for that speech, and would only add, that though it had which the British government thought they could enter lata
been his intention to oppose the vote of 2,0001. for the ex- the mediation with a bar premiere of success. Ar. oh, rse re
~
governments as to the ter:. r
penes of Lard Minto's mission, his views had been com- to mediate upon certain bases which the British goats
pletely changed by the speech of the noble lord below him
( Lord Palmerston), and he should not offer any opposition to nothing further ensued in consequence. The lastcome, eeee
that vote, believing that it secured the peace of Europe at cation by which the Austrian government ex prewee
thought at that time likely to be attended with name, e!,'
a few words in reply to the hon. and learnt d member for the
a very cheap rate. (Hear.) desire to have the good offices of England, nut the arearrte
Lord PALMERS't ON send he could hardly avoid offering but the friendly offices of EugLnd, with a view te;sfariTy
had
be"
Fong,
try in all former times of her , istory to consider that the in-
county of Dorset. In the first place he had to remark that Baron Wcuenberme the Austrian Minister for stonttion of peace in northern Italy,
it hail always been the policy of the government of this cows_ Affairs; it was uated 9th of August, and;ad v-Zi
tames el Great Britain were deeply concerned in the trans- Austrian Caul* d'Affaires in this country..
the in'
actions which took place is other countries, and every admi- •Sir J. WALSH swished for some information as to
sess
sented to him (Lord Palmerston) a few day4o, 0Y -
nistration had felt it to be its duty to look to 'tractions which hail beengiven to Sir W . Parker, witbre'r
those interests and to take such measures as might to the course to be taken by the squadron in the elesiterrow'
he necessary to secure their protection either by At this moment there wea
ls no conceivable difference beinotwee:
negotiations—or, if negotiations failed, by other methods. the position of Sicily and Ireland, except that Naples
_,,,,
much argument en answering
(Hear, hear.) In the early part of this debate, the hoe. weak state, and England a strong one. Is it went outee the
members tor Inverness and Buckinghamshire had bestowed world that the King of Naples bad been canasta e's
Palmerston) a consicerable time ago. RIO. in replying also to had a perfect right to Mee. a greet stain would rest 0s tap
a speech made be him (Lord threats from this country, from adopting a came wan
a despatch he had written too .01.11.4.wriA, and which had country.

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Lord 0. BENT.INC* . asked whether he was to under-
stand that the ioreto mutate!. of the Emperor of .I.ustrih
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• bed be, a authorised by the Emperor, our all
to treat wit
snood U. this matter, or had he been treating on some
other authority' Also, whether the reason why the
mediation sosght by Austria from England had not been
agreed was that England made it a sine qua non that
Austria should resign a lrge portion of those territories
which, by the treaty of PATIS, she was entitled to claim?
Viscount I'ALMERSTON said that the communication
mode from Baron tyessenberg was in his capacity of Minis-
ter of Foreign Affairs for the Emperor of Austria, and not
wtieg wader the authority of the Vicar of the German
empire. As the second question, the house must see that
-
would be hitridy improper for him to enter into detail., of
• the commit. i, -mons stitch bad taken pluce between himself
and the repre,eutaures of other governments.
Th, vote via. tben agreed to, as were, after some diseus-
'ion, the toliowing :
17,461/..for the talmies and expenses of the colonial &-
pryer*

19.000/. for the salaries and expames of the department of
be Beard et lisle.
1,6001. es the probable eat crises in the office of the Lord'
Nil ...4,11.111.,1
13,000 e lir ttos office of Paymaster-General, including
the salaries out expewas of the Exchequer-bill-office.
The nest vote was 7,3001. for salaries and expenses in the
run, nt el Comptroller-General of the Exchequer.
BO* RI NO stud that in another session he should
11101 D the sh,lition of the exchequer altogether ; for in the
way in wkicn the Moines% wes cone' ueted the exchequerenstead I
of e„re,,ing any control, was nothing but an incumbrance.
The exchequer alertly widened what the treasury recom-
mended, and then drew on the Brink of England for what
. regeinal. :his was no security whatever to the revenue.
On the other head, when money had to be paid into the
Meek t , tin credit of the revenue the exchequer required so
Melly doconn nts to be prepared and so many step. to he
• taken tket it .31 rendered a most complex matter. This ap-
• plied to the eve of tees. the receiver of which stated that he
Lid the grain st difficulty in getting the money into the
Baal. Unfortunately the salary3of the comptroller of the
exchequer, 2.ileti*, was not voted by the house, but was paid
out of the eonrolelated fund. implored ir an anomaly which
ought la be put an end to. Ile the government to
take thee, matters into consideration during the recess.
Mr. G01:1.1:1.3iN said he I, tired that three months ex-
perience on the emimatea cenuoittec had given some of its
members very little insight into the offices into which they
had inquired. The practice woo this,: orders for payment
' were male by tee treasury, and it wan the duty of the ex-
: acquir to ere that those ord. rs were in a perfectly legal
form, la sex rah inetances while he woo in Mike irregisla-
fines had be... detected. He thought it absurd to suppose
that these deties might be discharged by the Bank of
England.
• The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the Inc of 2,001. for salaries and expenses of the
State Perevettiee.
Mr. OSBORNE milted what the committee meant by
rreemuundir e t• a fusion" of this office with the Record-
Office. Did th. e meal, the office should he burnt!?, (Laughter.)
Dr. 110 W RING said ha was not responsible kr the lite-
rary beauties -I the report ; hat the committee thought that
the onlaa inieht advantageously be brought together.
Sir U. tilehY thought it irupottant that a distinction
should he keet up between the petters of the state-paper
office AU I Pnee of the public record office, however advan-
gaseous it might be to place them under the same manage-
Mt.
. Col. SIB I'HORP
_suggested that the office should be
Ogled l.' tie waste-paper office." (Laughter.)
The vote was then agreed to, as also that of 3,5401. for
the expenses ot the ecclesiastical commission.
Oa the nes; vote, 23.hteide for the administration of the
For laws.
Cal. SIBTHORP complained that this was an increase of
26,000/ on last year.
Mr. 11UNIE thought that 236,000/. was an enormous sum
for the nvre administration of the poor law, and that it
ought to be reduced. (Rear.)
Mr. OSBORNE said the vote showed that the system of
centralisation was more expensive than that of local manage-
ment. (Heir.) The expense for the administration of the
Scotch poor Om only amounted to 3,5601. lie should like to
know whetle r the Scotch poor were well looked after ?
Mr. ELLIOT said they were nut so well looked atter as
they ought to be. (Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the expenses of the auditor, 1
echoolerester-, schoolmistresses, and medical officers had no- '
' thing to do with the general administration of the poor law,
l though they were included in the vote. It was very unfair
to suppose thet the increase hal been caused by the centrali-
sation.
After a few words from Capt. PECIIELL and Mr. elr eaz,
Lord Eli it INGTOI4 said that it had been nreee matter of
complaint th..t the medical officers were underpaid; now as
. only half of that expense WWI paid by the state, any increase
of it must involve a corresponding increase on the part of
the guardians. The number of schoolmasters and school-
mistremes were inadequate to the demand, and con-equently
it was necessary to pay higher salaries.
Mr. BRIGHT esouiplaiued of the special expenses of
inspector'.
Mr. C. II le LLED. said the salary of inspectors was 7001.,
• and they were paid a guinea a day for expenses. That was
on the supposition that they resided in London. It had been
found, bootees., coneidering the labour the inspectors were
put to, that a salary of 1,0001. was not too large. It appeared
to him to be necessary to have two reales of salary. The
- new irspectore were appointed at the reduced scale of 3001. a
year, besides their expenses. Tile great use of central au-
thority was to keep up a system of inspection over the admi-
nistration of the law, and establish a focus from which in-
t formation could be derived with respect to the iaw.
Mr. BRIGHT said that there were 11 inspectors with
&arks which amounted to 11,0001. But it appeared that
7,515/. was at
in additien for travelling and incidental ex-1
ruses. That was • great deal more than a guinea a day.
Mr. BULLER said that the usage of the office was to
allow a guinea a day for personal expenses, and the expenses
of locomotion besides. Si. thought that the system which
kid been hitherto adopted a bad one, and all he could do
was to estahliee. a new one for the future.
After a few words from Mr. OAMORNE,
Mr. GLADSTONE said that the right hon. gentleman
had appointed three new inspectors, and he should like to
know whether he allowed them the guinea a day ?
Mr. C. BULLER did not wish to propose any alteration,
bat he considered that there would be a difficulty in come-
queeee of the arrangements which he had made being too
ecoeomical. (Leughter.) lie had proposed that the new
inspectors should take office at 300/. a year instead of 7001.,
and with no allowance of a guinea a day. lie was afraid
that next year he must propose a more liberal arrangement.
Mr. GLADSTONE said be had done the hon. member an
inettice; he was not aware that the hon. member had taken
off the gain. a a day.
After a few crud, from Mr. KEILRIIAPI and Mr. HENLEY,
Mr. OSBORNE thought that if 5001. a year was consi.
defied 'efficient for the new inspectors, it was also sufficient
for the old ones.
After a few words from Capt. HARRIS,
Capt. PECIIELL wished to know the rule under which
the poor law circulars were ieseed 4 Unless the hon. member
(Mr. Buller) answered his question he should divide the
house on the aabject of the vote.
Atter • few words from Col. StBTIIOIIP.
Mr. C. BULLER, in reply to the question of thus hon.
member, stated that the circulars which were issued by the
poor-law commissioners, in older to spread a certain amount
of information, were entrusted to Mr. Knight alone, because
several booksellers could not be employed for the purpose;
hat he deeded that there was any monopoly practised ; they
could be easily obtained upon application.
Capt. PECRELL had heart it said that Mr. Knight did
not distribute the circulars with impartiality to the trade.
Lied G. BENTINCK did not think the estimate an ex-
cessive ono when the heavy duties of the inspectors were con-
sidered. Ue knew a case of one gentleman who, in 9 yearn,
had travelled 99,007 miles; out of that 9 years 36 were
clearly 'pent on the read ; and this at an expense to himself
of more than 7,7001.
Mr. WYLD begged to call attention to the expense of
schoolmasters and schuolmistee,es, and the system of educa-
tion as connected with poor law union houses, which he con-
sidered to he very imperfect. lie hoped that the chief coot
BliSbi :WM was lit pay some attention to the subject.
After a few words from 31r. GItOG.IN and Sir W. Sostnit•
vim. e. the vote was agreed to.
On the question being put that 30,2681. be voted te com-
plete the sum required for the expenses of the Mint,
Dr. BOWRING begged to ask his hon. friend the Master
of the Mint what was the present state of the decimal
coinage ? (Laughter.)
Mr. SHELL said that a commission was now pending,
the result of whose inquiries would he, he had no doubt, a
saving of 10,0001. per of nuns. He anticipated that the re-
port of the commission would be rendered within five weeks.
Mr. GLADSTONE conceived that the commission might
have been spared, for that the, right hon. the mener might,
in tee leisure which his office Weeded him, have prosecuted
with equal effect all the necessary inquiries.
Mr. MUNIZ thoueht, on the contrary, that the appoint-
meat of the commission had become a very necessary thing,
the Mkt establishment being notorious as the grossest job
in existence.
Sir J. TYRRELL pointed out that there already was in
Print an enormous 13:..e.te, ,k containing the result of the in•
pines of a select committee .-f the house into the subject.
He doubted much whether the expensive inquiries of the
commissioners would old materially to the information sl-
iced) witein the resell. of the house. As to the moneyers,
their original appointment dated SO far back that their
Secure of office lay beyond the reach of the crown, or, at all
reties, the compensation to which they would be entitled for
• the less of office would he enormous.
Mr. LABOUCIIEItE expressed his testimony to the high
personal cheracter of the oils, re of the Mint.
Mr. BRIGHT said that mere personal character was no
mune on se ieh people should receive thousands a year of
the public money for doing next to nothing. The Vice. Pre,
Indent of the Board of Trade and the blaster of the Mint
had at preeent nothing to do, or next to nothing ; and he
thought that it would be well if these offices were consoli-
fted so that the very little to des of each office might,
united, ferm a little more to do, and the public be saved a
full 4,0001.
Lord J. °mi.., vindicated the utility o the two
offiere re !erred to.
Mr. SIIEIL said that it .r.in proposed by the committee
that the • tfiee of Muter of tae Mint should be much more
getter .ry efficient than it was at present.
iThe vote was then agreed to.
Tlt" DT of 10,6701., to defray the expenses of the railway
tewsnioien, wee the next vote protosed.
itr. WADDINGTON rose, sod entered into some details,
4th' purpose of showing that the managers of railway
tempanies were much b. tter qualified to judge of the mea-
sure reciwary to ensure the safety of passengers than any
=err ruent smwrintende nt br railway commission. He oh.
eu ei the emus of government control over railways as
aro swotted.

Mr. BANKER moved that the vote be reduced by the
sum of 4,0261.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he had done his beet, in con.
jum don with his colleagues, to reduce the expense of the
railway board as much as peasible and that not in eons°
quence of any speeches made by the hon. members opposite.
The actual reductidn effected was 3,0001. ; the ultimate re-
duction would be upwards of 5,0001.
Mr. GLADSTONE had heard that the Great Western
railway company had raised their charges for goods and
passengers enormously above thr maximum of the net of par-
liament ; and he wished to know whethcr government had
taken any steps to see the law and the public rights prop( rly
observed.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the advance of fares by
the Great Western Company had not escaped his notice. Ile
had referred the matter to the law officers of the crown,
and they had reported that the company were in
the wrong; but, on the Mtn r hand, the company
had consulted Sir F. Kelly, and his opinion was in direct
opposition to that of the crown law pls. He had not es yet
resorted to the extreme measure of clopping the company's
bills now in progress through parliament, but had referred
the whole matter to the Solicitor for the Treasury. • That
gentleman had only sent in his report that morning, and as
soon as he (Mr. Labouchere) had read it he would not hesi-
tate to exercise those passers with which the law bad en-
trusted him to compel the Great Western Company to comply
with the provisions of the act of parliament.
Col. 61111'110RP wished to know what was to be done

repecting the tint commissioner's salary.
Mr. LABOUCHERE explained that the office had been
abolishi 1, that the duty would be henceforth performed by
the board of trade• and that consequently the 2,0001. a yet.:
would no longer figure in the esti m..tes.
After a few observations trout Capt. HAILLUS and Mr.
WADDINGTON.
The vote was agreed to.
14,01:11. ISs. expenses of the public records.
12,511/. 12s. inspectors of factories.
1,7551. 63. 4.1. ndsries of officers (Scotland).
The above vo•ee were agreed to without discussion.
6,4111. 17s. •id. officers of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland's
housa hold.
.

Dr. 110 WRING objected to the sum of 1,674 f. IGs. 2d, for
Queen's flares.
Mr. OSBORNE defended the vo•e, as calculated to
encourage the breed of horses in Ireland.
Dr. BOWRING objected to the grants for horse racing
included in this vote. He thought the public money might
be much better employed.
Mr. BRIGHT thought it better to encourage the breed of
Irishmen than Irish horses.

Col. DuNies and Sled. Tynueht. supported the grant.
The vote was ultimately agreed te, as were the following :
22,C,00/., for salaries of Chief Secretary fur Ireland, and
officers in the Lord Lieutenant's °thee.
2,3001 for Paymaster of Civil Service, in Ireland.
26,8001, to complete the vote for the Board of Public
Works in Ireland.
On the grant of 31.0001. to complete the vote for foreign
and other secret services,
Col. SIBTHORP objected to mooting 39,0001. a year for
secret service, m •ney without investication. believing, as he
did, that a i =lion of it was expended in axe:sine government
supporters to obtain their positions in parliament. fjosern-
meet might say it was necessary to have spies in
(Arian countries, but setting aside the policy of em-
pluyii.4 such di,reputabie persons, how wai it that
the same BUM Nu necessary every year? lie thought
the Chancellor of the Exchequer should be required to make
oath that no part of this money was employed for sinister
purposie. (A laugh.)
The vote was agreed to.
152,3021. to complete tho vote fur stationety, printing, and
binding.
Mr. OSBOItNE thought a great saving might be made in
the printing. He understood Mr. Hansard was making 30
per cent. by the printing of the house, while other printers
would do the work for a profit of 10 per cent. lie also
thought the printing of reports was carried to too great au
extent. There were many documents of which a much
larger number was printed than was required. lie thought
the government might make a selection of what should oe
printed.
Mr. J. PARKER said it would be difficult to make such
a selection. lie hoped, however, to have the assistance of
the printing committee to effect a reduction in the expense if
tensible.
Mr. BRIO HT believed the expense was added to by the
one house requiring documents printed by order of the
other. lie thought it might be well to have such a
number of documents printed in the first instance as
would be sufficient for the members of both houses. The
vote, after a :bort conversation, was agreed to, the chairman
reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again to-morrow
(this day), a: 12 o'clock.
The house adjourned at 23 minutes past 1.

ELECTION COMMITTEES—YESTERDAY.
Dt•lDAN.—Legal arguments respecting Mr. Rey-
nolds's qualification occupied the sitting.
CIIELTENILAM.—Evidence was heard respecting the
bribery and treating alleged against Mr. Berkeley.
HolisßAm.—Similar evidence to that in the Chel-
tenham case occupied the committee during the day.

the Wpm's.

MAILS;

The for BritiA North America, and the United States, !
will be male up this evening of the Isth Aug.
The overland moil+, for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian islarals,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-Kone, and China, via Southern'.
ton, will be male upon the evening 04 the lUth August.
The overland cloned mails, rio Marseilles to the Mediterranean,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Hong-long, 414 C., will be made up on the
evening of the 2ith Aug.
The mails for Vigo, Oporto, Lisbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar
will be made up on the.morning of the 27th Aug.
The marls for New South Walee, Van Dieman'e Land, end New
Zealand will be made op on the evening of the 31,t August.
The maid for the Went Coast of Atria and 1144161.4 will be made
up on the evening of the .lint August.
The Went India Mails, including Bermuda, leeway, Havana,
Honduras, New Orleans, Vera Crux, Tampico, and Port Rico, and
escluding those for
Madeira, Jacinel, Carthegen Santa Martha,
Clogren, 1.:4113,11111, West Coast of South America, and St. Juun-de.
Nicaragua, will be made up on the morning of the gal Sept.
The moue for the Brazils, the !Liver Plate, Monte Video, Pernam-
buco, Bahia, Medi ira, and Buenos Ayres, will be mate up on the
evening of the 4th September.

NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS.
The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of the
Stamp-office, during 1847, to the
DAILY NEWS was 3.447,009
This, we believe, is within eight per cent, of the number
issued to the Morning Herald, Morning Chronicle, ant
Morning Post, ALL POT TOOLTHIR.
In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS,
Merniny Paper, there were issued for the Erma*? Edition,
THR EXPRESS 778.714
Wh:ch was more, we believe, than were jawed either to
the Glebe ur Standard. Evening Papers.

11108 WATIR AT LOKI):4 BRIVOIL
143-31oreitm, Z 3113. past 3, Aftentomt:n 3113. past 3.
Torres noir --Ilormez ed. PSI 41 Attitn44444. r 444 4..

LONDON, THURSDAY, AUG.I7.

- -
TUE history of the last eighteen years has esta-
blished at least one fact, that may be considered an
axiom in political affaiie. It is, that on whatever
aim England and France are agreed, the aim being
consonant to the rights of nations, the interests of
liberty and of peace, TAO power or collection of powers
can gainsay or r, slat it. We do not say that England
and France can commit any flagrant act of injustice or
invasion; or that they have arms long enough to
pluck Poland from out the grasp of Russia, for exam-
ple. But they at least have the power to protect the
western and maritime states of Europe from the dic-
tation and oppression of the eastern, and they can
thus maintain, nay advance, the constitutional prin-
ciple in Europe, which is for the advantage and de-
velopment of trade and of humanity, as well as a
fresh security to peace.
Whenever France and England have entered
conjointly on such a task, it has never prcduced war,
or symptoms or seeds of war, but has totally crushed
and destroyed them. We need appeal but to Ancona
and to Antwerp. The great and the first desire there-
fore of every European liberal and every friend of
constitutional government is to see France and Eng-
land united, flinging aside the petty differences and
jealousies between them, and combining their efforts
and their diplomacy, which preclude any, the least ne-
cessity for fleets or armies, in maintaining the rights of
independent states to develop their liberties and reform
their government. The right rule is not to interfere at
all, except so far as to prevent or counterbalance the in-
terference of others. This England and France ef-
fected in Spain ; this their united word can effect in
Italy.
Against this, however, the protectionists raise their
voices. They will have no alliance with France,
at least as long as it is republican. Mr.
DuinBELI last night imagined himself for a mo-
ment sitting in Downinc,•,-street, and dictating as
foreign minister of England his instructions to his
ambassador in Paris. He began by saying that he
could sanction no connexion with a Jscobin party
which means nothing, or means that we should live in
open or covert hostility with France, and with
America, until both nations should think proper to be
ruled by monarchy. Mr. DisAett, however, would
admit the presence of an English ambassador in Eerie,
but this ambassador should be charged to avoid all
amity or alliance, unless ones "abstractedly con-
sidered." His duties should be confined to lecturing
the French on their feebl, ness as a military power,
their utter incapacity of aggression, their certainty of
being deft ated, if they crossed Alps or Rhine, and the
absurziity of their attempting war with a divided
country and an exhausted exchequer. Now it so hap-
pens that England did po,sess a minhter precisely
atter Mr. DieltaLl.re own heart, one who held