The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-08 00:00:00

bear, and to sapped the poor. Had the swan
et that expanses% hen sok to White s
British Hesse cif Conner to false i
Man) Had net en seiglibeen been
their sod did set thole been
.fan what mfetueg
woes pa ens in the sheet iposs of two nioaths ?If
they one essablithed the poinsigiothat they wen always It
ipue Istilhdlataesai the Wale renew of the seaany
youth non be see Ste the mew Thole I
Ink Is adeniste . mad thee wash the to
vide be thownsine ; sem tenth then that was the
been= of a gemernasst to feed the people. He did
net thirst to the vase es enema of the eseenst; avii
ft es and ailed sees bean they tae I
Ming, to sake up their and se to what
ahoy wend go is, net gal, is Issieni, bet in floodefol=
Heeled. (Hoar. M. Thethne *pit aeries whin,*
thee of the people of moth sod south. wadi sei
quirt moistens.; end if they seed nib, wen sow shone to
nth it algid nos be for these* (Haft hoar.) The hew
lOam W where in die Int issiesse, IMO so s essinties that k all
rem* tend sot be ediseloil. the penis
We se be sivesoad. Wore they prepared is dal=
Cm% hear) He seal hardly my that eons&
a enesdos. Thin how teas
10,0091. to be dimmed of f The elletnielailarli wow to
stoke ea satiniate el tow ash the rim woe
Muth to want, and it we ea be diddlined at their dots
lion Had the genenessat nine hewn.' with any megonge
c 4 permaaent male preposisg_ this woes of
the pablis n (Esse, lion.) Le MI vend it 1
the grass of tan ailiieo., but and estendprisisseletV
die vote sakes cm gennuasat win to
atones radially to remove the evils of enieley.
unease had bits premised, but they hal arm bees
=9(Hear, hear.) ing eeled boa
;11. and so keg seNoth r they gave *5 Wen
ter pewees to aeons the sad mosey to Mel
thin as phew* they =he: m~
lave any valuable
ingensosent. He bad pass away es the previous evenss.
digested with hearths die minion sok for • loostiagass• of
esu we, whines the thee guides his
interthadistaorreCia ose sing as
le ma mans
nn to abut. the aWits
of nion& (Hoar, hear.) He bagged to recall the attn.
than el the hens in this onat—os what prise* were
they Gelled upon to veto this 50,0001 ? He wind it
stated that it was bemuse certain detente of Leered
was usable to aerator their own poor. What proof had
they of sash histiffify P He fo Lod ft at the avenge rate for
all Ireland was last year only 2s. 9d. in the 1 Why,
he inkiaged to a parish fa which it we three times that
mairat Hier principle was to give maw lieglids easy
to nekton Irish poverty. Ile ged boned to Eriatain
its own poor, ant h• gelled uponwa peraraniest to bring in
sone as we whir should boo to do r. It was or
to be dime by giros public mane In works, se wee pro-
po hy the hos. sealer ter dread. If Beefy we to be
hat Os the mph, who we the maturity? The land; but
they hod bas isid *nth. laud err worth =thine. (Heir.)
If semethiay tangible is the shape of security was propwd,
then night be one feasibility in the proposal, but nadir
any Siam eirainsiesses it wend be only giving . away_ the
nosey. Lot the lease sot be tbesetwed me that point. They
were giving the money, emirs geneament knew it. (Hear.)
He walked now to expire whoa whir to do. His oh-
*, Wan to negative the peopertion at pverament, bet to
core at it he must first negative the rowed of the hen.
menhir for (Proud. He wished thatelbee to be understood
that is voting against the hon. mambiefe motion, his object
was amply to negative the proportion of the m'aister. He
word sok the government to esmaider what had been done by
pubbeedvaneas already : hie belief was that they would be fatal
to beim& No one wished better to Ireland than he did'
bat tree all h• was able to judge, the vote of 50,0001. would
be a nee ilionerais proveriag for that country. He silted
the hone to woke it cm pristiiple, believing that the inevita-
ble nosh. deur pr sate must be universal distress (Crean)
Mr. A. STAFFORD said that the noble lord, the member
foe liairekan, while enewtheg the ended of goodness an
that (the oppoddes) side .1 his house, should reediest what
had hese di& ismer eendwit. They had always retested
that the poor-law was wow= in prisciple. He (Kr.
Stafford) bored that if some alteration were not made
they would require noes every year, and sash to
larger dm the last. (Her, hear.) This was a
eau el three which did not admit of the delay
of a anomileso. It had been often said that the pro-
perty of bind ought to support the poverty of Ireland ;
and when that statement was ant made is the house it
besoska fink a cheer, bat it produced no applause now.
How did it happen that the poverty to the wen of Ireland,
although damned up by artificial sea-s, bad overleaped
all bends? If the were any meaning in the phrase that "the
of Inland ought to support the poverty of Ireland,"
Kr =
this, that such a proposal r the precut ought not
to be imtutained by the hour. (Heir.) He admitted the
truth d the allegation that in the pre:nine of Mater the
rats was very light; but • t mistake was ore
pained ia joining the peovYs of Connaught to
the Friar of Mater, wed strikng an army
rate. If the house Waned to the 10th page of the
report, so often quoted taiga the pent debate, they would
Had that I. seas donne' Offrions the astir we 41s. 9d and
other 375. in die pound. mid that is the ssetheen parts
of Indeed it en gssddenyy he la esseent. Bat, while
ben snwhin enapinetth sr the isellestive working
of the paw law in Ironed, he lowed le ash them who
tionid gs sod invest one, in the
-Vain of Connaught ?
(Ilanlnee.) Theis was net a slash &hist of the whole
of Me Ohnottght sakes which was set Ilene to an enor-
imenagebbo mid Mr moment any stock woe pith on the land,
or the amps sand o maturity, to a sertainty everyta
wend be salmi he the rate. (Haar, hear.) He had warned
the Mess Wore of what had tines some to per In Inks&
Tint eir alto die__llbrawr parliamentary past had =At
Ord we Gsal-losit No. 1; dna his Brisk
money ma that was deed-leek No. ; now
the vast gati by the right is
thesis (*5 drew flier of tbe istdregnoff). wiaii
also !11, tad the would be lain& No. S. (Seth
hear.) Es With woe the hewn *Graham, is th=
ware oldie bon strenten Iliontrese, to hese es
the seassity et noinableg Ile nos per. The co&
Lion of the area et linelien as to the rating must be estdel.
(Hear.) The haw, Omaha, suet pan • lea
settlement in rowan to the arm of ffon. They
nast akar the "seen system so is net topre.
teat the keprovenest of the lied at ale option
ef the sesegyhe iron ; mid foetid they etidl estedise thh
I=of-tie-soes. nth node this elneation. they night
the saline dole with sopa to Inked, mail is the
eadilsine bloat to admen stem the somnionost gratin&
.___Meted; he the people derived no sdeasinge be. peril*
SWIM Inn*
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he hit that lie hewer-
able bind who had jut sat draws bad hen guilty ef seen
titthe loseradistios ; he he had subtitled that tie pith
of Ms Are law, and its inproolosalle dogenisdi en the
estiknon el the *of the as et heathen How.
=Pihis ben idled to rensuaber that the genennest
nyon's& then ewe goesticas—that the ens of nastier
had bees ispeensi hen the ether details of the bill ; that •
eannieden wee swish& bus yaw es sitar isto that par-
Vain pen of On opsestisa of the pose law ; that that nth
utheles nails a ripen; ?fat the isist was on the table of
the beset; sal that litiersibee lint did pee lithe poor law,
which kedged a very grave need ad be submitted
to the ansideraties el seethes sensitise. bet that it
was ripe he the adepties of the hens sew, if the
house eisealved it right to adopt it. Thorsen..
ee Ihr es the we et lentian was eenesreed,
that gneiss id&
_be essehlered fettled. Hear,
heir.b)ees He tally bared tie siglommin made by
nes with shone. le the prognitios of his eight
friesd the Clitaniffille of the lineheipme, awl he admitted
that it was no doubt a pilaff *big he the govienaint to
come down there and ash he the pawn gnat (Hear.)
The house NOS turn sod twist the ninths asked by
the boa. sionber Ise liadatgelske (Sir J. Welehe) as t=
pleased. bet there we only ors amen to
that wee-elni this gown we at theths=tiefl
:Mono the Ina of the people— Seem oldie re-
posponsied es so sway onastase by the ben new
hoe a Strind—would have einested the peens r ow
car Tennant hest seated down and nai a datillar
prepeYtioa to that now nein if they thought eight aid
rem to come down semi sth this etwaley 111 011M0 at.
word and ens the lien of the people in Wool. (ilimplam)
He oho thought that the boa, swabs: isellenennesilte.
tank) wee or error In attributing the prawn steessfalsepe
ie the pen law. It seined to be hespeles that Wm/ at
this menint was wafering usher the woks& mine
whisk he Sir W. SomreZelitnelgalrliewed bed sin he.
fallen any( country la the world. seemed Op
think that each • calamity as triweill to Ida
plate, and that th. cirdiatty Malt
were.to go on as heretofore—that the soda! wiereisery '
to premed as hitherto—Cut sada* We le doll, that the
t need not core dews sad gnats, and
Crit= harmible, In he, lest no
ge es ia
their ordinary course, and as spode' sem* le tailed. He
begged of the house to eagaider ths Mate of this. is In-
land for a moment, and to resaombee thus they orb' not
remedy it all co; a saildea. Do what they would, the
process mast be a long ewe. And natll things ink a
better turn, and some chance took place, if they did
not step in with some temporary aid, as now proposed,
the consequence would be, as he had already stated, a
destruction of hunaa life ; and; when that destruction
had taken place, he knew, from his own knowledge
of English charade; and the feelings of hon. gentlemen or
that house, that they would blame themselves for bring
rej, cted the present propo al. (Hear, hear.) Now, then
had been two objections advanced to the course which his
right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
thought proper to pursue. First of all there was the ohne-
Con of rearing any money at all, to which he had already
alluded, and which he could not express surprise at ; and
then there was the objection of the hon. member for Stroud,
who had said that the money ought to be lent, not gine,
and employ, d in reproductive Operations. Now the
question was, if they employed this money in re-
productive operaticns, would they be able to merit
the difitalty for which the money now asked,
and hereafter to he asked, was required ? His belief
was, that if the house attempted to employ this money la
a reproductive =seiner, it was not 60,0001. that would be
asked, bat 600,0001.—(hear, hear)—and from hit knowledge
01 Ireland, he Warned the house, end he entreated those
who thought with the boa, member for Stroud, to pease b►
. fare they mixed up relief to the destitute poor with the en-
ployment of pourer labour on great reproductive works.
(Her, hear.) Now, he would last state this tact to the
pause, and allow hot& members to deduce from it whatever
ornament they pleased. Cedar the Labour Rate Act, ale
was called, then were at a eertaln period 700,000 able-
bodied men in what might be called the pay abbe government,
because they rewind daily wages from the gamey voted for
that pavan by the gpenvaity of that house ; bat at no pe-
riod had there beep menthe. 66,000 persona nest,! rut
lief from the per bews. (Hear.) Now, If the hone we
to connect the poor laws with the reproductive employment
of pauper. hater, they would batik the amber of 66,000