The Express.
London, England, 1865-05-19 00:00:00

TEE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MAY 19, 1865:

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Saturday.
LONG V. BISHOP OF CAPE TOWN.
Mn G. DUFF mired the Chancellor of the Exchequer
Oder what cireumstames a portion of the expenses in-
earred by the Bishop of Cape Town in is
unsuccessful
lawsuit with Mr. Long were repaid tohim by the Treesary.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
circumstances under which this peyment was msde were
somewhat peculiar. The Bishop of Ceps Town presented
• memorial to the Lords of the Treasury to the effect that
he had bees engaged iu trying questions which did not
encore himself individually but the rights of the crown,
with reference to his office. That was referred to the Colo-
aial-Mtioe, with a request that the Secretary of State would
Worm the Lards of the Treasury whether, in his opioioa,
there were circumstances of a peculiar nature n tbeco
which would seem in jostles to warrant and require a pay.
meat such as the bishop had ked. The answer of the
Colocial-office was, that the question brought under con-
'adoration in the case of the Bishop of Cape Town did bear
sot only upon the positim of the bishop, hut likewise
ern important questions connected with the prero-
petive of the crown and its title. and rights in the colonies,
sled that consequently it would have been the duty, under
ether eircurastaoces, of the advisers of the crown to instruot
the kw offiesn. the Qnsea's Advocate, and the Attorney.
11111011 a, to attend the Privj Council and watch the cam on
behalf of the crown. But it so happened that the Bishop
et Cape Town himself bad retained the Queen's Advocate
sod the Solicitor General to act SI his counsel, and cones-
gently they discharged the duty on behalf of the crown,
tioceh immediately at the charge of the Bishop of Cape I
Sown. It was therefore thought 6t to make some allow-
am to the bishop in respect to that portion of his costal
which the crown must have borne but for the circumstance
of his baring retained its law officers. He did not ream
bee precisely what the sum was, but of course the papers
Mr
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EYM pruced.
Yr. B. SOUR asked whether there would be an
opportunity for proper explanation of the matter before
tit. estimates.
The CHANCELLOR of the :EXCHEQUER said if far-
ther explanation was desired, the hoe, member could move
ter the eorrespoodeuoe.
CHAPTER-HOUSE, WESTMINSTER.
Sir S. NORTHOOTE mired the First Commissiorter of
Works whether it would not be possible to give the nubile
greater facilities for visiting the Chapter-house at West-
minaMr than they at present enjoy.
Mr. COWPER said the Chapter-house bad been shut up
ever since the removal of the records to the Roils-yard. It
was pot open to the public, hitt if any oee had reason
her desiring to go, he could see it on applicatioe to the Board
el Works.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE supposed then that it would not be
peselble to give any greater facilities.
Mr. COWPER promised to consider the point, but it
would Motile* some expense, as guardians would have to be
placed, and he doubted whether there would be such a
&all on the part of the ',ohne to visit the place as would
jellify the oost.
BRITISH MUSEUM.
Mr. AUGUSTUS SMITH asked whether any bill was
to he istroduoad this Inlnlioll, sod when, fur the removal of I
attain collections now forming part of the British Museum;
and whether such bill ought not to be introduced, and the '1
seectioe of the house obtained to its main priociple, before
say expense was incurred in the preparation of plans and
estimates for the erection of buildings elsewhere, to which
the said oollectiors were to be Maimed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed that
he. question of the introduction of a bill during the prevent
swim with Mamma to the removal of any portion of the
eellections of the British Museum mast neceasarily depend
epee a prior question, namely, the question when an esti-
mate could be produced with reference to the expendi-
*are, mid when the opinion of the house could be taken
span that estimate. That was the very point of the
lieu member's objection and the purpose of his pre-1
sent question. The course Indicated by the boo. gentle-
stan was not that which the government adopted in 1862,
bat it was complained of es both aides of the house as
most incoovenieet, inkling up in the diem...ions two
gaits distinctgasitims, the economy and filmes,
sisti the mistime ecieseeted with the plan proposed, and the
important question fellatio( to the goverment of the
Mess= by the trustees. It had been stated by the right
bee. gentleman the member for Oxfordshire (Mr. Henley),
with 4 force which could not be denied, that the effect of
Mee governmeet premeds( the bill was to obtain indirectly,
nod by implicatieo, the motion of the house to a verb large
expenditure, which had not been regularly brought before
S. and epee which it bed, no direct, mimes of expressing an
=
.r. . That seemed a sated and good argument, and
the government on ent wof opinion that they would
bet oessult their ditty by submitting the question to the
Item is the first jadeites is its Mandel shape, under
cir-
essesitarses, of course, which would give the holm the
opportunity of expressing freely its opinion upon the
gmestios.
SEYMOUR wanted to know when the estimate would
lm introduced.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that
the 1101 neut the wrestlers sow under dismaion between
lie Heard of Works sad the trustees had been decided, the
millimete would he LW on the table.
THE LORD CHANCELLOR AND THE LEEDS
BANKRUPTCY COURT.
lb. FERRAN]) salted the Attersey-Gsmail to inform
the hem by whose sathority the written statement was

Mewed, front which, on Monday last, he read his replies
to the emended reetieg to the Bankrupeey Oourt at Lem*
sod wheelie/ he would lay it upon the table of the house
—(oh. oh) : and, whether he would lay upon the table
the letter of Mr. Welch, the registrar, whet, be read to
the house oa Tuesday lad, to sampled his previous state-
' meet, u well as the letter of the -Hoe. Richard Bothell,
cadmium the rase. (Ones of "Oh, oh.")
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—I think that the house
Lea probably sever on any manioc heard so extraoedinary a
peeten as that of the hon. gentleman. (Cheers.) When
I saw his natice upon the paper that some questions were to
' be pot to me upon a matter of public istereet. of course it
was my duty to go to what I considered the proper quarter
la order to obtain accurate information, sod having so pro-
vided myself, gave to the house upon my own responsibility
and in good faith the whole of the information I bed re-
cured. (Hear.) Any niemoradura for such a purses
I made by myself or by any other pirate fur my me is a dom.
meat which I believe by never on any previous ocodioa
been traded es of • public nature—(Meen)—aod I wholly
decline to treat it as snob on this occasion. (load
cheers.) With Regard to the other two letters. if
the honourable gentleman wishes, se Mime& man and
non, to see the letter I mosived, which •is not a public
document, he is quite welcome to sea it ; but I wholly
decline to treat it es • public &comsat, sad I have
authority to say the same on behalf of the person who re-
°eine the other letter to whisk I refer That also the
hon. godhead, se a gentherea—(a issigh)—is at liberty to
see, if be has any curiosity to see it ; but I wholly decline,
on my own resposeibility, to treat either of them as • public
demonist. (tend cheers.)
Lord R. ORCIL—I would ad you, Mr. Speaker, whether
it is competent fora minister of the crown from his place to
parliament to quote papers which he is not peeped to lay
upon the table of the house.
The SPEAKER—PubIio despatches and dammed. end
pipers relating to public affairs, when poled by ministers,
may be required to be laid upon the table. The Attoraey-
Gemmed. sa I understand. diem in this era distinction,
*high certainly appears to me to be • just
CROWN SUITS, ha, BILL.
is =SIM to Mr. HADFITLD,
The ATTORNEY-GENF.RAL postponed the ascend
reading of this hill to that day foctnight.
TELEGRAPHING IN THE ARMY.
Oaptaie J ERVIS asked the tinder Secretary of State for
War if say system of telepaphieg had been Really ap-
proved of and adopted for the army ; end, if so, whether
there would be any objection to lay upon the table of the
hoses a copy of the report. of say oenuniteseer meninittees
en the venous system. submitted to them
The Mogen. of HARTINGTON said several systems
Led been inquired into, sad he believed Captain Odeon's
plan UM the one that would be ultimately adopted. The
mesons to be taken far the orpaisatiom of that or any
other system were under oonsideratioe.
UNION CHARGEABILITY BILL.
The home then went into committee on this bill.
Oa Msse 1,
Sir J.aJOHNSTONE moved after the word " shall" to
iasert "subject to the portions hereinafter conteined,"
hie object being to reserve to himself power to propose a
new eland, of which he bad gives notice, to the effect that
the liability mused by the bill should be made gradually.
Mr. VILLIERS agreed to the alteration.
Sir B. LEIGHTON salted whether next session the Pow.
law Board would cause an inquiry Into the whole subject of
amessinents and exemptions.
Mr. VILLIERS bad already expiated that the set for
exempting stock in trade would expire nest year, and that
that would be • favourable opportunity for parliament to
lineCuire into the whole matter.
The clause as amended was then speed to.
Upon dame 2,
Mr. HENLEY moved in line 17 to leave out " when,"
sad linen " no." the object oil his amendment was
' to entirely do away with removals of poor
errsons—(
heu)—sad he wished to teat the docerity the right bon:
gentleman opposite (Mr. Villien), and these in favour ad
the bill, as to whether they really desired to benefit the poor
sod relieve them from all those Inconveniences which the
premed law of removal 'Mailed upon them.
Mr. ATRTON mid the motion of the sight boa.
gentleman appeared to be so deserving of support that he
(Mr. Ayrtoo) should like to know whether there was any
medal objection to its being adopted in the bill, sod if Dot
be hoped that the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Villiers)
would introduce it, and if the right bon. gentleman de-
'nod to take that mune he (Mr. Apice) hoped that the
'A hoe. gentlemen (Mr. Villiers) would lay upon the
a bill of similar
W. JOLLlFFturdt.tkat every step taken with
..gard to the removal of the pose bed bees productive of
good, bat he was somewhat afraid of taking • step so much
in advance of that of the right boo. gentleman. He found
in this country great liberty of removing from Pam to place,
and they moat be aware that they did Rot adopt measures
which would reader it memory that they mud resort to
the intervention of the police in the matter of removal.
For instance, there were a peat number of pennons who
west from fair to fair, sod who were, is fam a cosetaatly
segueing population. They would make Wider& much
too stringent if they did away with irremovability,
and, therefore, he was sot ready to take so larp
a step with regard to settlement. He thought it would be
well if s measure of the kind proposed by his right boa.
freed were brought in as a separate mouses, and he (Sir
W. Jolliffe) should be glad to support each • melange.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman SIDNEY thanked the right hon. member
for Oxfordshire for the enlightened rims he bed expressed
is hie speech. An a MISSUTO of justice to the poor he
thought no one could doubt that these reelections were
mod unjust. In this monopole they were very much in-
debted to what was termed the migratory habits of the
Irish poor, though without each labour they would find
themselves at a great loam and he could not see why, when
a large society called forth so much labour, they should
be unwilling to supped the destitution which was maim
drily occasioned.
Sir W. MILES believed that by abolishing the law of
settlement they
_could add to the comfort. of the poor.
Mr. BAGWELL supported the amendment. Ireland
suffered under the law of settlement, sad he was delighted
at the prospect of getting rid of the ill-feelin engendered
by the removal of pauper. from England to Ireland. lie
was chairman of a board of tandem, and it had often oc-
curred that an Englishman had come to his board for relief,
which they were obliged to give.
Mr. PUGH said he had great *ono in voting for the
amendment. When the second reading was before the
boom he said he should vote for it becaue he considered it
a step in the right direction—that direction being the aboli-
tion of the law of settlement. That measure came re-
commended to them by high authority. Is 1847,
select committee mat, and came to • »solutes to the effect
that the law of settlement end removal was injurious to the
main classes, that it was injurious to ratepayers and em-
ployers, and that it ought to be abolished. Five unions of
the county of Suffolk had come to similar reeolutiens.
Mr. VILLIEBS said he was very sorry that the right hon
geetlernan, who was so careful io other matters, should have
made this proposition, which it was not heeded to pees,
but only to be wed for the overthrow of the bill (" Ob,
as !"had " Hear, hear.") The right boo. gentleman bad
said that he propped this amendment as a test of his
I (Mr. Villiers') mooerity, but be could aware the
right hon. gentlemen it would not be affected by it.
He had proposed this measure as an instalment of two
other measures that would have to follow, provided they
could be passed in safety. He opposed the amendment,
be-
lieviog that the country was not thee prepared for it, and
becalm it had not been proposed with that earnestem and
sincerity which it ought to love been. The secondment of
the bon. gentleman the member for South Devoe (Mr.
Kekewicb), that titter one year's residence a pauper should
be irremovable, would he • very gnat cheap
indeed if carried, ad in fact it was a pester
oboes* than he had proposed. He believed it would
he • great improvement—(bear)—and before they aped
to the amendment of the right boo, gentleman he asked
them to weeder the proposal of the boo. gentleman
the member for South Devon. He thought, however, that
his bill proposed a sufficient change for the present, and
he hoped the house amid pass it in its present shape.
(Hear, bear.)
Mr. HENLEY wished the house to take notice that the
government admitted hie promose to be • sound and good
one, but that it was rejected because It came from the oppo-
sition side of the house. He certainly bed always advocated
the parochial system, and still thought it the but But,
the house having decided by a veer large majority to abolish
it, was there any inconsistency in his proposing that the law
of settlement should go with it 1 He denied that be bad
taken the house by surprise, ea be had placed his notice on
the paper before the recess.
After • few words from Sir R. KNIGHTLIT and Mr.
Gans,
The committee divided. The numbers were :
For the amendments
Against
Majority spinet the amendments 74
Mr. KIIKEWICH then proposed an addition to Clause
2. enacting that after the 25th day of March, 1866, so pr-
ams stall be removable from any pariah or maim is which
" they shall have resided for one year," next before the
application for the warrant for such removal.
- Mr. LOOKE said such • provision would inflict great in-
jury on the poor parishes of the metropolis.
Mr. AYRTON objected to the government allowing the
legislation on such a subject to peas out of its own hands.
' Mr. VILLIERS admitted that oae year's residence was
suffialeat w entitle a man to a settlement, and would act
oppose the amendment of Mr. Kekewich. As to the in-
apathy of the rating of the tondos parishes, it was as
. evil geserelly acknowledged. The remedy, of mune was •
readjustment and better distribution of the rate a
principle similar to that of the present H should be
glad to introduos inch a measure for the nieCopolis if it
had say chance of ettosese.
The weds proposed by Mr. Kekewieli were added to
the came, which was then agreed to.
The remaining clauses were posed, and the bill, with
anasedenents, was ordered to be reported.
PARTNERSHIP AILILNDMENT BILL.
The house maned. hat immediately west into commit-
tee oe the Lew of Pasisership Anseedeseet Bill. The
medal dames ware 'weed, after some discussion sued by
Mr. Moos, who moved the mimeo d eases 2. It wee,
however, radioed by the assisiWas. Aum dews, mewed
by Mr. Snerrs, providing for • registratice d ammo ac..
trading loans under the ad, was rejected oa • divines by
106 seem *goblet 85.

A dense of • similar kind, es soling that leaders es well
as borrowers shall be registered, was rejected by a majority !
of 42, the noes Wog 101. sid the ayes 59.
litr.BOVlLLamoved the insertion of &sew (diner, the ob•
len of which be explained was to p t soy versos who '
6d shared the porta of • inn whoa it Pm pcospososta
from leesphe all responeibility to the creditors is awe of Its

fellers.
The clause was negatived :without a division, and the bill
weed through oommittee.'
The how, having resumed.
The Dockyards Extension Bill, on the adios of (Lord O.
PAGET, WU wad a woond time.
PUBLIC.HOUSE CLOSING ACT (1864) AMENDMENT
BILL