The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-17 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.--MomDAY, APRIL N.
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PUBLIC BUSINESS. •
PETITIONS.—By Mr. A. HASTIE, from Parley, against the Sm.
day Travelling Bill, end one against the Liman. Asylum 10.—Mr.
H. BERKELEY, from Bristot aped by 4,000 persons, for the Is a.
=Mate release of the Bev.(. Shore, and the reverence at:berth from
stets ; also a petition from the dissenters of Bristol, ft* thownstianal
atarstion.—Mr. DUNCAN, against the Sunday Travelling Bill; end *
several from Foefashire. spinet the Registration of Marriages
(dectland) ELLIOT, from several places la Scotland, .
gaga the Registration of Marriages Bill, and against the Sunday
Travelling BBL—Mr. C. LEWIS, from Rose, in favour of rating the
owners instead of the occupiers of tenements under St —Mr. IL
BAILLIK, from Inverness, lamina Sunday travelling; akto a
reSon from Inverness, against the Registration of Marriage'
iteirxland) 8111.—Mr. GODSON, from the gu ndlans of the
poor, Kklderroinster, spina the law of settlement, sod far • eat.
form rating to the poor.—Mr. MACNEILL, seven) spinet the
nation of a/Marriages (Scotland) 11111.—Mr. 0. THOMPSON, from the
Tower Hamlets, for rn extension of the franthiee.—Mr. COBDEN,
from Lieut. Fnutele Minima, emplaning of the suspend* at kin
half pay by the Comulaimiers of the Admiralty, and praying Orr m
inquiry into his cox.—The SECRETARY et WAR, from Glasgow
and several other places, against the Sunday Travelling Bill ; from
Perth, in favour of the Clergy Relief Bill, with metal Perth, rearmost to
the me ot Mr. abore.—Mr. It. CURRIE, Mn from Neetharepton, ter
botemational arbitration.—Mr. S. WORTLET, from theßesit' of
Foxhole*, IMAM% In Savour of the Montage Bill; and mare/
others, Irma clergymen sad magistrates at the seine county, to the
same porous.
SECOND READlNG.—Adminbtradon of Just* (Ifetregelitaa
Thetriets) Bill.
NOTICES OF QUESTION AND MOTIONS.—Proue
Bnagaa—
Laed DUNCAN, be put a question, to-morrow, to the Chancellor of
the Exchequer in retition toe system of paying the whole of thepublie
revenues into the treasury without deduction.
POOR LAW axe INCIAIVIUMD ESTATES 31i[1.101;r1-L:114 J. RUS-
SELL, on Tuerday, 24th Mat., to move for leave to in a hill to
emeM the Poor Lew (*Mid) Act ; also on the part o 7 the Solicitor.
Genera, for same day, for leave to bring in a bill to amend threat
for heilitathig the Sae of Inotimbered Estates (Ireland).
TAZATION.—Mr. IL • DRUMMOND, on Thursday, 26th inst., to
move for • commit* of the whole house to Inquire Into the mom&
easy of redistributing the taxation of the sountry, with • view to re-
NM the poorer amen from the unequal burdens they now bear.
Scam te 111111.AMD.—Major BLACKALL, this day week, to call
the attention of the home to the condition of Ireland.

11711COLIT,;;-ile71;6 day. the Sid of
Way, to more for leave to twins la a bill to authorise the elation of
members of parliament by the vote by ballot.
AFFAIRS OF SICILY.
Mr. DISRAILI asked whoa the papers relating to Sicily
would be laid before the hones.

Lord:J. RUSSELL said that all haste was coshing in the
preparation of there documents, and they would be produced
at the earliest possible moment; them extreme voluminous-
ness would mount for the circumstance that they had not
ahready been laid before the house.

Mr. DISRAELI said he was not at all satisfied with the
reply, and ueless something more definite was stated to the
house, he should be obliged to bring the whole question of
our relations with the Europtan states under the considera-
tion of the house.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that, u the hon. gentleman had
not given him notice of his question, he was not prepared at
the moment with a more definite answer.
ROADS BILL.

In reply to Mr. Drananm,
Mr. C. LEWIS said it was the intention of the govern-
ment to proceed with the Roads Bill.
NAVIGATION BILL.
In reply to Mr. I/tenant',
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that the report on the Naviga-
tion Bill would be taken on Thursday, and the third read-
ing, definitively, Cu Monday.
COLONISATION.
Mr. SCOTT then proceeded, pursuant to notice, to move
for a select committee to inquire into the political and finan-
cial relations between Great Britain and her dependencies,
with a view is reduce the charges on the British treasury,
and to enlarge the functions of the colonial letislatures. The
hon. gentleman observed that he need scare dilate, after
the attention which the whole subject badlately received,
upon the vast importance of our colonies, colonies which '
absorbed very nearly as lags an amount of our report trade, '
and of our tonnage in shipping, as did the whole of
the world besides. Yet nothing could bo so ill-ad-
vised as the oviduct pursued by our government to-
wards these invaluable marts for our industry. Ths
en-
penes to which that government subjected them were utterly
moistens. The population of then colonies numbered fin
millions. While our population at home was taxed fee
expenditure of the country 16s. per bead, the populations cd
our colonies was taxed 28s. per head, or, if you reekeste4
only the civilised population, 525. per bead—more than three
dares the amount exacted from our borne population. The
feet of the matter was, that the whole system required tbs. '"
rough revision. Hon. gentlemen opposite talked of chengie
needed here and needed there in our colonies, but the place
where change was really wanted was Downing-street. The
noble lord et the head of the colonial department
told the country, on the 10th August last, that our
colonial system was never so perfect as it was now. In 1770,
Adam Smith reported that eleven colonies. with a population
of three millions, were administered on the most excellent
principles by England, at a east of 64,7001. On the same ratio
our present colonies ought to be administered at a cost of
105,0001., but what was the case? Why, that the cost of
administering them exceeded five millions. Earl Grey
was a nobleman of high mind, of greet capacity, of
excellent intentions, no doubt ; but the enormous
Complication of business which the colonial department pn-
seated defied the capacity and the exertions of any man.
'Lord Howl& said, that when he looked at what had
been accomplished two centuries ago, and contrasted it with
the result of endeavouring to govern a settlement a Dower-
log-street, he must say that experience was decidedly in
favour of allowing a colony to govern itself. Lord Howick
was now Earl Grey ; the statesmen in opposition had become
the statesman in power. He had now the means of carry
ing out his views to the fullest extent ; but with diazig of
place had come change of policy. The noble lord to
think that 3,000,000 of people were well governed at an ex-
pense of 64,7001.; he now said that colonisation never was so
perfect ea it is now, and that 121,0001.—a larger sum than
would be required proportionately for the government of
5,000,000 subjects—was too small an amount for the governors
who ruled over our various colonies, and who received nuns
veryieg from 7,0001 to 8001. a-year' and averaging 3,0001.
alyear. The colonies to which Earl Grey referred had char-
ters for self government given to them during the reign of
the Stuarts, not the most liberal period in our history.
Charters were afterwards drawn up for them by Lord Somers,
and they enjod the fullestpowus for governing themselves.
At the period wbed the colonies ware se well and so cheaply
governed, there wag no colonial system k when the colopies
prospered, there Wile no colonial Mike mu not until the
lolly Said madness of British statesmen had forced this °pan-
try into a war with, her own nme,. that there was ap-
pointed a "minister for war nod for she colonies." That
titl4 had bens well lustained. By war we bet the-boine
niesi which' we once portend; by war we retained the
colonise which we now held. The col M Iwo
kept less by affection than by force ; were
indeed preserved within the pale of the British
but they were, nevertheless, without the pale of
constitution. Being Married, in most instancy, ei
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d by isedediene ad despatched nut from
and the Weider who, is 1843, condemned
thanisteds, euffinsed it in 1849. It was is this par, 1670,
opt shire -was first appointed • committa of the privy cows-
ea he the management of the talon ,ies • and headsof char.
We were artorwatele drawn ap by Lord Soden for the bond
ed2Leirivy council. The colonist *hose goveniment wee
by Lord Grey, continued be well governed while
67, —arsine to were regulated by their own 'barters; sad
was as leogth arose the struggle in whisk than
'elates are lost to this couutry, the two assess
whisk tended principally to light On dams were
rimllsr to three whia, were in operation railer the :tiaras-
trate of the t cassia sinister wady, imposter:
hues sad al cosatitatioes witbonethe mane of the
missists. In New South Wales, in British Gana, is the
Mauritius, and in Jamaica, the colonists were taxed with •
heavy elvil list, or by • named taxation wheat their ex-
premed wishes. In New South Wales upwards of 81.000 L
a year was reserved annually. Os the 26th dills last math
be; had presented a petition from New South Weld prang
that the cos titration of that colony might not be al-
tered without the c intent of the colonists. What
was it which was complained of bet dm vet,
conduct to which Mr. Burke alluded during the
last eatery when he said that charters ought at to
be altered, except at the desks of the =drafty el the esisaists?
Similar language was used in • letter written by • number
of the legislative council of New Seek Wales. Ti. writer
said, it seemed to be the fashion in the British legkinedre,
as will amongst those in opposition as amongst thus is
aloe, to talk about the expediency of allowing dila*
dependencies of the empire to menage their own ouaseeK
whilst almost eney net of the Caleniakeffies seemed le he
dose from a desire not to eras Nate' but to What% the
affections of the colonists. New, be would ask whether it
wen prelims and politic to aim die has. to Mile; that
thews waa ailing in which the 1101011ile sad the mother-
coentry lead a comae interest? (Hear, beer.) leased el
their denied with this matter as became each a Mot. he
nettled to find that then was still a disposition to tamper
with constitations, sad to trifle with the frallap_ of
the connists. He knew he might be asked, " eitt
rights have the colonists ?" The colonists had the same
rights as we otinelne have in this country. He did act
man to assert that all colonists, having different degrees of
sivilisaties, could be governed by exactly the same rule, as
British *objects in this country. That would bt as difficult
to armee as it would be tee goveen by the same laws a city
sad aa uninhabited place; but, on the ether hand, they had
aeright to refute to British colonists the exercise of any rlgh
_to
'lda did not interfere with imperial interests, and which
senahled those which they claimed for themselves. He
oak seers,aware that it was exceedingly difficult Sir say
chid le govern • colonial empire eo large as that of Grist
BMWs. and a was likewise aware that very different
spasm were entertained on this subject by suceestive
skid mieisters. But the noble Ica now at
is best of the Colonial department, In a letter
whisk he wrote te the privy ia lad
a chars, which he gagilmoll wawa reed)
yarrea evil'. proposed that Naas dadsMEM
bid &naiad upon the colonial minisew *salt thseuirr
Meelve upon the privy council. He wilt privy
ant why were than duties to devolve upon t semi?
Then dulls, which crested the lowa el the Weise,
wore to donne epos the privy aimed waist how the
Gimlet Waiter desired. eat kr reams whit k appeared to
Ides to require the chasm ma whoa those who eimplained
bat when ha who wee eamplethed spirt tasked the
tranefer. If it should suit the convenience of the atonal
attain to make the tranehr, then the duties won to de-
voles ea the privy esnacil, not in told, but only ia con
anion with such pinta se he desired to get rid of.
This was net to nines the colonists, bat the colonial
mishear ; it was shifting of his shoulders the nisei
bility of his own sets, Riding the rescript of those matters
which he desired to refer, ant sot referring ray at lies desk@
of the abide themselves. Lest there should be lay babe
en th:ss
times t i as, he would refer to the snidest, of Ind
Grey se given last year before the committee on the arises
aeons la reply to modal 6,860, Berl Orel math
that, astwidamaillog the chugs which had been mist the
daisies; of reading qasetiose remained substantially eat en
toady with the Coload Secretary of &ate ; and lab kali.
ship idea, In Werra* to the proposal eontabod k his
Maw, "la this proposal I have not aggested a arse
rievatisis, bat rather a return to what was amdagn
rea the original appointment of the WNW'
at he (Mr. Scott) protested against this reposigeles
doe. The only :stain was, in fact, a return M the
tEarned for a quarter of a century under Sir James
The hon. gentleman (Mr. Hawes) would perhaps
at in the constitution of the Privy Council, so far as
it had eosin' over colonial motors, was comprised all that
was high, wise, and learned ,• but, severthelees, he must re-
pot wit was said by Mr. Pittway in the last century,
nimmely, that its constitution afforded a just subject for coat-
plaiat—oomplaint on account of hardship, complaint on sc-
ant of delay, and complaint especially on account of the
numberiem ant which cane under the head of prerogative ;
sad wen the prerodatin of the seamy stretched ee it was
100 yaw ago, it would not be surprising if it led to a similar
rapture. He would only allude to one ass by way
of illustrating this point; and In doing so he should give
not his own opinion merely, bat that of Lord Aberdeen.
Speaking of a case in which a judge hod refused to give any
reasons for his doting's, Lord Aberdeen said, " If it be tree
that the withholding of the 'rands of his derision is the
practice, the privilege, or the duty of say judge in any part
of her Majesty's dominions, it is impossible that such a
prirairle of law could be abolished too soon or too com-
pletely." 11 this remark were applicable in the ease of the
swat country, it was still more so in the cue of • colony.
With regard to the general power of a colonial minister, it
wee demise necessary that the grown should hays a veto
with respect to all to ado of the askant legislatures, as
well se the legislators of this country ; but the noble lord
(Lord Grey) had himself &claret that it was most unjust to
the colonists that the veto open their acts should be nacho&
in a moaner so light sad se usesstsin as it rapeseed to be,
ham the tiniest* of the noble leakaself. Is this matey
goverainent was ia the habit el allies on the adder; of its
rempasile oaken ; bet the drain die wham was left
to is &maiden of postleria s Westaiatenhall, in a mu-
ter whisk was ealselsted se protege leek disgust ad awl,-
poistment; the opicloss oak. Repoossall Kr. Wood=
from a back garret, setting mite the &tidal' of
judges. He now came te tie important subject of the audit-
tar of colonial accounts. For that audit Great Britain paid
so lees than 62,0061., which was received by 170 persons.
There could be no doubt that if the colonies were allowed to
audit their own accounts. the sum might be greatly
redacted. The accounts enneeted with the first Amer
dean war wares 016/ settled in the Audit-calor
about twisty years laughter)--and it often happened,
he believed, that • • stones of • shilling or two awed a
vast outlay of money, and • delay of two or three years.
Another important subject was the constant oblides, of po-
bola the government of the colonies. The colonial minion,
Mfare and sines the time of Lord Bathurst, habeas changed
about once in 18 months, and during the last few yeses the
clasp had been effected mice a year. Not only so, but the
chief raker of the colonies probably changed his mind once
la six weeks. For example, a few yens ago a despatch was
sent out to Canada materially affecting the social condition
of the colonists ; it was revoked within a month. A consti-
tution was sent out to New Zealand ; it was revoked in a
year, and, even while the governor acted upon it, he wu in '
doubt whether he eight to apply it to one island or to two.
Stkee=4 He would not allude to the settlement of North
vagary which cost this country 15,0001. Trans.postation to Tea Diemen's Land wee Bret abandoned, thee
/101MOd, end then abandoned again. A constitudea which
We ma wet to New South Wakes proved • misfit; when it was
ail thin it was not handed to be worn, bat was merely a
pales sea out for approbation—(hear, hear) ; and, if he
wag act kesereedy inkeised, a similar constitation having
lin awe to the Cape of Good Hope, it was found quite
isasentinale is that colony. This cup and hall patios, this
gam of banisters and shuttlecock, might be very good fan
fa Me Cilleilli•eace, but it was sot at all adapted to please
the aisaii. (Hear, hear.) But the greatest cause of to-
halal wafering—that which had consigeed capital to
ba
=, anted enterprise to rals—was tee laid system
vild ia the Aralealisa 'denies. In twelve
czythsilat hem aim *milks of presence, and in all
ships. sash @aim Mee ar lee the article of
a dine Mike. Thin was line the
ofill=sy pod; this the Mead of it lip sde ;
this et a amid of 6a, them of ilk tad of 2011. ;
tam there wire valises kinds of ortaupedea; isalwileg aeon
visa by teeides of am ”ar, wad esetipillisa by
_keen of
10 At Let the esksW Wain male bk dist ape.
yam
• @yin whoa which airy salmi! resew sal way
= raids and mead which eight or Eke amemittese
reaskalogs. But all appoilden was in
end natural reply of the boa el the
Oeleakl4Cee was, Sit vele, sic
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aid pre raise go
hake. Tie the rameatiemaptist or nine amsamittess were
SAM lagiagralie peddles the system. Bat he did
net wiltier that dis agile lad ad found time to Wend
to wash math= g the minealikad impatrass to forty a thy
thigalsgs sad the dlenthwilea el parties miskt dint oat .
aka sedialdmie~. coss,kowever acted
sad uffillitheaste sl easpalisallie ate of *kw whin a I
lassie ereediet was
@dew este4a Weald witelatse, smt when he was rescind to do
Sla ef the ellieffel of the coleslaw The
Lead it Commalioa in their fifth ree.
pet had the eithgeter meek of the 'minty with which
kat might be elladasa k tM Australia* ealeelle; when the
bath was that kat woe ismer te Aumirella dm in almost
say aim akin k the wed& In speaks' at the alike'
mate by eakidel thpelatares, Lord day had observed that
so =blokes ea their part could be a kid or go detrimental
as that made by the Wild di la with regard to the land
question. He aetkipetet that the hon. geademan opposite
wadi speak of the agree made by the Australian colonies,
eat of the ht,inetitodees whisk they spilled. Their free
thelkatioes, however, rassablet the eoestitados of Oast
Bekaa shit as mush am did the sea litatism of Teikey
eughEgypt. The senetkatioa of the Della Weeks
t to Ise ernutterpeits of that of the aim osey ; they
wage, la last, sountedeits of it. (Row hear.) The ask.
aims hat image, legkktia ant klidadvs
annalle ; sad [KM the Enke gad regithaes whisk wan to
be net st the Oslealiethee, it with wrier Ili their
ps or pdelleges wen very grei
_llse peados was,
thiF. Asealshilse thew eitheitaly
Imo; llitlPParwhe is them were the wadies of
the goveraw, miy applied by the gegaraer
self, while mews gime iesegbas Wit eitnatioas at bk
ear& eat twee k were gr
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thisat hely of the
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mom timps the throoktee, rid& Ouling.- smt Jamaica.
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a mamba to whom he ea ellealen. That wee
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