The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-28 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, APRIL 28, 1849.

lege in Yeekskire ; for fieaecial reform and a rednetioa of worry end pauperism Ihe malt would be to bring into
dimedit and timpopelarity the admiaberaden of the whole
sallow or Blares. diet., arm Mamma= peer law system from one end of Ireland to the other. (Hear,
=ruci.—By Mr. HUME, from Fifeshire end hear.)
aisgainst these Wis. Lord J. RUSSELL admitted that the emeriti= of a
Lellalic Amrca (Scernaam) BILL.—BI lb. HUMS, entn.in-aid was accompanied with ghat
difilnliiis . but he
hem Ificotrose, against this bill. could net allow the leagnage whist had bees twoidoped by
Affirnitiatog But.—By Mr. HUME, from lavenry, in theirs. bmasat, the member for Waterford (Sir H. Barron),
favour el this bill. es pass u The boa. baronet seated thr they wasted
COLONIAL Dirrnzes.—By Kr. DISRAELI, from Nova to um their own peekete, end ts tantho poverty
of Ireland.
Scotia, steed by 6,000 persons, complaining of seise's' era- Now, ea far from that be the ease, le believed that liag.
Saner end meattiallY of the Prietoolook allalahlall by MT- land had never made gee szertion on her ova behalf as she
Fairialha : alto a /*alba flea imams atlitliolalaS of dim- ma sae tows Ireland. (Cheep.) Heald anwhk to boost
trees and praying for additimal aompensatioa. of the exertion that has bean made ; but
Animotrumam, Durrams.—By Mr. DISRAELI, from when he heard it stated over and Oyer seek that 'Lapland
Lespieek, comply ot agricultural aim.. had dome teething to relieve the misery of Ireland, he could
Parnannos Donas.—By Mr. DISRAELI. fro= a.m bat refer to the grants and adverse of girds dare
minks ia gaa athaded h 7 7,000 Paroosoi Whet iffillims shetiag, and to the proposals whisk bed been loads
Slut public salaries be rowed to every maim for the purples- of waving beim& (gar, 1
the eleademliPetill M. hear.) It was hardly fast, Sea, tibia lisawirtheten repro-
MIIMOPOLITAX GAB CONSIINEPA.—By Mr. C. PEAR mug, Egok tomes NA thittizsad. we moo to
SoN, from 6,908 gas cowmen sad inhabitants of the City termer knasig. ip sawn them ef all sedienge. end
of Leaks, and the parishes of Bow, Whitechapel, are. in of throwing tINI whole hordes apse I The het was
beau. of tie Great Central Gm Cowman' Company's Bill that there aid mean thieves, eln imam Tears,ea.y deep
extending lit sad extensive drums, !Irking Irma the failure of their= of
NEW WRIT. the cosatry. Had the potato crop limn alluadent MA years
Oa the intim of Mr. TIM MS, a new writ was ordered the government might not have had to ask he Ildemeneardi-
te kw for the borough of Sheffield, in the room of Henry wary aid. Bat that, unhap, Cy, had net bean Ike ems, sad
Oeeege Ward, Eng., who bad accepted the office of steward is from reports from the poor law senenimisasrs,
of the Chiltern Hundreds. private communiciations, that the noun Ostrow
LEAVE OF ABSENCE. did exist. In a letter received by blend( only that
even morals', from the proteatane clergyman of Ballimobe, it
Oa the moths of Col. Lam, leave of absence was
was stated that in a workhouse built for 800 par-
te lissome Sahara for three weeks, oil urgent private be-
sem Gars wen now 2,000; that the number of deans wee
slam.
Oa the motion of Mr. G. A. ffitievrox, Wye of absence _i_...Sraallarila±l-s-takat th__e_ ea.-eitsele—e ..._te the
_ gave. (Hour, k.h-Ewnsamr. !Iliwigelt
me give. to Mr. French fir a fortnight, in conequencs of Theo be re;Tr—. melesureferan.:=Tatograanevig:
the WI
the Mani of a member of his family. dab el Ireland in a few year'e:gele sand now, as ke had
IRISH PAUPERS. shad heirs over and over maks, what wee to be done be-
aromas flat ot May and the fat of August ? (Hew, bear.),
Mr. STAFFORD said that the hos. member for Calk
hod on the previous main informed thd hoses that the Shoved they propose very large gnats frail the szobequa
of Cork had Pad to the Board of 11eakth thea mm To that the bass generally was mach.airnets& Was 1
41=4,1: sort off all the country Pilgrim- Had go. it not possibie then, for Irish cm to agree to some
yernmeat rescind any intheation of this circumstance ? mom aiming the mow, lath ta eaten agr
ee
extreme
Sir G. GREY said he had beard nothing of the matter hams et their country ? An blame tax had been pro-
until the hon. member natal out to him the newspaper Pease i but that .aware had baps fairly brought forward
report of the statensat to whisk he rehned, nor did he at 6l the rem. lambic pm Kerry fur. amber* and bad
the preset monist know anything otherwise of the matter. bees tat*
-dis=coed. It bad been rejected by the house,
Mr. FAGAN mid his stamen was, that the corporation sad be sea aft see that say good sad would be saved
had paid 1001. for the pager el preventing the Gauntry ler ng ft. The house baying on the
pupae from being brought Ye the Main Mal e:resdi is favour of the rate is aid, he did ask
POLIOE RAM the taimmktes sow to allow the bill to proceed ; for he saw
Lori DUDLEY STUART said that the Malregefillea bat the most dreadful fate in store for the destitute
parrinniand if it were not agreed to. The hon. gentle-
Alert" after karst, last year, rushed al latimatien home
the poommat that arty U. in the wawa polies rate was maybe Irks_ hest larked whether the rate would be levied
to be lend apes then festal et ild. as heretofore, bad oPea_ffrew7 twrwa unlash Lifirstoposausanewerto levy the
weld
stilhela sidled spat to th Si. He wished to know, oaf woe ra ellen weal to levy atom-
whethee, the ore wheal hid bees aglow ae the came sty pen use that eispe:sym rats would not be collected.
a the keg e , 1,1, mu dal supposed to „gm, or :it was mat preadble, lemur, to insert in the bill a certain
whether motrepolitan distrieb were not to be relieved umber of labs. he be mempted, bonus it they did that
from onetime, at all events, of this oppressive burden ? la else ems et melds mime queseisas would constantly
arise as to ether salsas whether cc set they ought to be ex-
Sir G. GREY said that when the autropolitaa polies 1M ems, He dld not makevert et all the statement that
diet taldtated the policerateleviedars the aletrettelte there were strong o to the imposition of an =di-
ve, Iht- laths Plata.; this wee ~..artarwleiLtedseed,_Le ~__6`l*. decal ate in I in her pries= eireamstanoss • bat he
the making up the amasailaS .7 a °°a""""." believer; it to be the Mk ressanse left them in Inla•d's pre-
of 90,0001. per annum from the Couolidated Fund seat moment of extreme EMUS sad destitution. (Hoar.)
"11 Ter, . "alattlaaaaa of a new allawaa"l of Middle- Mr. STAFFORD mid be was not acquainted with any
em, preening 64. in the pound apes a much larger anew
met this wore, ft had bee,kopoa that it wed be union in Ireland where.* pooes rates at all were collected.
pasha to Man the um, reo from 6d. to gal , bat But Kin certain &timed anions the eommiseionen were to
sbeenitances tame =oto• I, oft., occurred bed nano- c.
like
toa discretionary power—(. No, no")—No! the_ he should
fat* he believed, to all parties, the expedieney of extend- "" anew what was meant. (Hear, mar.) As the bill
the pea-law commiseionere were compelled to
fag the police forte, nor did he on any probability that this .now stood, woe in Ireland. Dave them
hen esald be again reduced. Let it be Doran in mind that leaTeisommein• rate of 61- in every,.
power ; out if they were to have t power,
dace the tome was origiaally established no fewer than 11° '
SOO miles of streets had be= added to the metropolis., of all._!_lVi introducedreellt noble lord Indicated, a SIP"
ram obviously requiriag a Iles form for their ruction. !""'' be
hear.) Ile vished to driwtath-i tie tit° 1 that
commieaec"tlite:sarbi
co, that having' proceededa
thin far in this
Abigreydetraleableaftgagmannanns—a(har.e hilltrj—rwloird, nisotriata—adoubt, this circumstance,
out, the government bad themeless stated that in re-
produce a Forger revenue from this some, a portion of which tats anions the levy of the sixpenny rate would be imposeshould clearly go in dimiention et the rate, bat not all ; a Able. They did not state the nimber of those unions; hut
patios east Curly go towards lawn* the mown now cat- tothe accounts of all the Irish members, tit? wen
eacceding
Ottani by the consolidated fund. (Hear.)
very much upon the inseam, and In proportion as they did
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. Increase, the value of the security for theadvance of MAW.
In sewer to Mr. Helen, would be diminished. (Cheese.) Ho wished to know in
Lord J. RUSSELL mid that the navy estimates would how great a proportion of the area of Ireland this rate
be token that evening, but not later than 11 o'clock. would be mimed, and why goverment refund to give a dis-
Mr. /11.731 E protested spirt bringing forward these esti. poring power to the commissioners, which the noble lord
mare at so late an hour, who the house could have no kad stated would be absolutely necessary.
ty of properly considering them. Why not fix Sir G. GREY said that what his noble friend had said
Talti
raMooday ? was, that, pnwleally, he did not anticipate that it would be
Led J. RUSSELL said that the third reading of the Possible to levy this 6d. rate in all the unions. This was a
Rate la Aid Bill was Axed fur Monday. difficulty which attached to every law which imposed rates
on the whole population; but the tommissionen were to *n-
igh BERRIES asked wthe Imattal Same aceeeett forts the rates in all cues in which thcould be
feel enforced.
wen aft ia the hands of names ? They had, he believed, The oh'eetion taken to the Re =rat terms is which the kw
has rated,Po
pommisa of the house. Lord CASTLEREAGH said that reference having been
The CHANCELLOR of eke EXCHEQUER said It was made to unions when the rate in aid could not bo levied, h
lie fink of Um printer ;he would inquire into the matter. had a return of the fleancial condition of 13 anions in Ire-
AFFAIRS AFFAIRS OF SICILY. land. In these 13 unions the rate collected in 1848 was
Mr. URQUHART asked why the papers premised by the 114,4741., the grants in aid were 194,0431., making a total of
Foreign 8, weary an tkli March, relative to the presence of 308 6171. The expenditure in 1848 was 340,6261. The
Admiral Parker in the Bay of Naples, had not been pro- debts due on 27th Jan., 1849, were 104,9661. Relief ad-
duced ? venom, which had been due in 1847, were 106,1081. The
Vilma& PALMERSTON said that when Its made the total liabilities were 161,6881. OatatmLiag rates uncol
promise mien= to, the particular papers alluded to were looted, 69,9681. Take the same amount of rate as levied
all that it was considered politic at that time to produce, in 1848-114.4741, sad the total assets of the union were
sad he had, therefore, undertaken to lay them before the 174,4421., leaving a deficit of 378,2161. He would deduct
house, separate from the other papers relating to the affairs the gran amount of the rate in Did supporta to hs /iicrl at
Blare
of Sicily. that time, dreams. area enabled him to 6d. on every ratable 11., which mad. roiedef., 4 Is.
lay all the en the subject before the boa.., and he Mend there war a assess in 13 anions of 48,6311. 1 add i-
had ly direehed the production of ell rather than doer= this stalemate, there were 86 union, out of 131
of a =nom more satiefseenry to the country, and the whole anions, which were in debt in September, 1848, 268,2731.,
of the documents would be shortly in the hands of members. and se they were enable to discharge their own debts, it did
(Hear, hear.) not seem probable that they could pay the debts of other
Mr. BANKES eked whether the noble lord bad received anima
an v mama of a flea arrangement with the Sicilians of Sir D. NORMS'S did not think there would be any
rims.. . difficulty as to this bill, as the moiety of all sums which were
Viessaat PALMERSTON—No. paid was to be transferred to the rate in aid accounts. He
GOVERNMENT APPOINTMENT—NR. REYNOLDS.greed with the hon. member for the University of Dublin,
that it was mom unfortunate the noble lord did not adopt
Copt. BATTsSON asked whether it was tree that a pomp
emmtomom we rat o Solicitor in England,
were unable to pay their own expenditure. Them were
mitt= a solicitor in Ireland—he meant Mr. Reynolds, son
upwards of 2,000 electoral divisions; of three 639 were in the
of the his, member for Hablies—whether this young gen-
course of the collection of rates of the amount of 51. and up-
tieman had been appointed to the responsible read lucrative
wards; but of these electoral divisions so rated only 148
situation of solicitor to the Mint ? actually paid Si. in the pound. Could anything more clearly
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—No, he
hasn't. (Great laug.htsr.) A son et Mr. Reynolds has been show the walwalfhllit, of raising an extra Tito f In rlster,
,s.mitiolt_h_.ad bmily!ferre. d to_r_ a. model. province, there_wiri
appointed a clerk in the office of the Mint solicitor—
(laeghterl—but so far from its brine • grievance that hey eo eitVr4ra' ‘'Mal. in which m• and *Fin"' was 91,tott
course of collection ; only 17 of these electoral divisions
not an English attorney, the solicitor to the Mist, when
were able to pay 6e. in the pound. Therefore, it was utterly
asked, in relation to the appointment, whether it was de-
sirable that the party should be a solicitor, replied : err h for the noble lord to raise 6d. in the pound in aid of
the current expenses.
tainly not ; quite the contrary. (Renewed laughter.)
Capt. BATE/lON—Bat is the yams gentleman no soli- Cept JONES said that if government persisted in
r aU ? hared this tate in aid paid they would bring the operation
elle
The at
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—To the of the poor law in his country to a stand still. fle desired if
pwsible to prevent such mischief being inflicted on his un-
boa of may ballet, an
THE PALACE COURT. fortunate country. Let the rate be levied so as not to inflict
injury on the poor.
In answer to Lord Dorms: STUMM, Mr. SADLEIR wished government to consider the pro-
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that the question of prie- ty of making an advance of 100,0001. on the security of
the Palace Court was ea"' the eerie" consideration of the the enormous sum due for poor rate in Ireland. The +wean
Lord Steward of the Household, in whose department the of poor rate amounted to 500,0001., and would furnish sem-
bale lay. (Hear, hear.) city for ia advance of 100,0001. Might not government
THE BOMBAY STEAMER. with great advantage introits* into the measure proposed
Mr. DISRAELI ssid that some time ego the Bombay by the Solicitor-General a simple power to sell a certain
sesemer, which had Deena purchased by
_the provisional go- portion of those estates which were justly liable to the poor
•INNltollt of Sicily, was seized la this country as en- rate? As to the observations of the hon. member for
Plea in Illegal Prooloinata _Moto that Period the trots of Northamptonshire, that every union in Ireland must be Ha-
lite insurgent government am been making great efforts to blew he gathered from the noble lord that it was proposed
east the miseas ed Om les& He wished to know whether that every union should contribute more or leis to the pay-
* wenthe hefoothm Mem lereernwant to aid them Moats In meet of the rate in aid. There were some electoral divisions
their alldeaweeri sal fil ir the qUellike to be settled ill which were seriously oon.idering how they could pend-
ant other than the lima mama. ally exempt themselves from the rate in aid.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that sines the veil had been Sir A. BROOKE mid that the feeling in his district was
mined by the Board of Customs upon representations made spine. the rate in Lid, and he did not believe that one W-
WII= board that the Megan pee 'Wed for an unlawful thing of the sixpenny rate in aid would be collected without
prpw the union of the vessel made other repro- lac rented .pity.
to the hoard contravening the Sir W. VERNER considered, from what he had heard,
laden width It had bra wised. The sue heillieh Wl' that the difficulty of levying this tax was beyond what
mitted to the law officer of the ("eat If thfe____,,eld°llll,ets- could be cantina. The lion. member for Manchester had
dialed the 111Pliti If the *lila" "e "we' ''''"' w• he- taken on himself to state that the onions in the province
Mined ;if their opinion was that the seizure was nee legal of Ulster en opposed to this ot we. because
the mewl would be released. they were aZally atreeL Now, he had taken the trouble
ANNUITY TAX. of kolas( at the ylltitiena gnaseted to the house and there
Mr. COWAN asked whether the report of the amnia- wars upwards elf 70 yields.* finest this measure. He be-
'Mews appolated ta inquire into the annuity tax had been lined dews were as passes hi Ireland more competent to
received ? tufts ot the waddle, el the enema than the guardians ;
Lo J. RUSSELL said that the report !adjust been re- Interim the boa member tea ea Mar& to speak of the
solved from the solassiadesas, and was in the hands of his =olives whisk lallasseed the psalm he (Sir W. Verna)
right lea. Mead the Secretor, of State for the Home De- would ask him who bad inflames* the guareihme ?
pertiessk Mr. STAFFORD said what h. comilsred they had to
PARIAMENTARY OATHS BILL. advance 100,0001. ca this bill, he Isis it his duty, us an Bat-
hs the melon of Lead J. Ruseux, the father progrem lish number, eleraly Se wee* the proper af Ibo mosoure,
elthis bill was pee sand main Readay es'unight, May 7. and for the make it his comeitaiati to see
holm diet&
itself, he severity
111111 IN AID. was m good es puha. As regarded he
I lb SPEAKER, ea the media bliss me for the hems. as
that the Men gleamed the velem. **Mere mea-
1, mo ktemommimo om uto sem m Agg-pgig, Informed gm sive would he the email& glebe sae% for ta the distressed
ii.v. Donis than be man set. emffieleatly with the Me. 11111111 Hs IS" yaw as Mhwis sol asoolotntlY the rate
el the Muse men the ineenniea 10 the esmagffise which in am would mom Nome Irma&
shed ca the paper whet lissome. The Mere
thee west Mr. S. CRAWFORD Lager to the poor
Ye eammfffien Oa the
seas dome labs put, law gemerally from the wo=lf tiffs In the part of
Mr R. W. RAMON seas awl Mani Mat
to it holimagen.eitli mbidk ke was "Valdtgatikas Per would
las ant I w Ma te eine she
heir te the moor Abe agents is tbe the nes,
booms. they esmiderod it to be a brink et Bethnal faith
mineffllsesTraffildi le bed gins adios, he Medd per
__,
_, It _ let,
Inlaid,.
both
Mims led it to be Ms bay to appeal to the aside lord and amt....dawdle igligni otonloo- wok m
Ragland sad Ireland, as it 1 wither repay
Wm%tosohgerealengsge= tet leriallb:ses Zorn eiriatiia- Memos, an relieve Um Mit destitution.
the
Lind, theemalsews is kyyteg rate
_ a te ia all wpm thee. The sonatinas divided—
It was engem to 012 bim that ibis was wiped& Tale. Width Per the clams t 2B-53
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the het lye yawn they bad lammed now to the smenst of Per ths misadmen
la. la the psaistE heisted, mad Misted denies 18 the Mr. PAGAN the rose to propose the addition of the
ammee at aawasley. Tint las had beanie= fa Mewls proviso :
dm dm of sad deepest dielem. He leeks' apes pawn same Mahe ample el all nimble bereditameals in
dell la Mat *art, =A shell give it the almsat lay miss easihni sot bass rag "was obis er bierast thirds
la likpriver. The geneumeat were saying their Sem nemsnlel now Cird= In wk. Ma Ma maw ato on
WS risen ha aim% tau the penny el helmet. umm ten comb el em lib. 11111111111111114 we thirty-
imeyearsom mews Man yeersastameffise thbeyans years. or
;OM. than p=d the ondwilla et tho words miler alum to Ma IlbesNbeet yews seneemed Ihmemill, Mall be
rteCla t ant inane hell te time telefeek suns." There MIAMI* cheat him be son spells by him to his bomediate
wee neap *NOM 1e Ihe hem is midi the sale in aid haw, the foal =NM of 011 win red arwaro et ma Pahl W Nan
was newel, te di* be bed abided spa falser men loft !I _q_elrtnoof elealt ' 1."" gellhatallat mg Penes
vie iesll Vaff mil ea
dew ; ant be diedfi MO men meek hiseendlim le the Lieltmor t=im to:m be migogudomm frimeelitettetet 12
peognal of the gerownwthe lffi ad", the mom ot the Moot Whim, ear maw am era a sem bessen ma arenerisa In Os
spa his pawn tmasairsat. immia et Ms dellasend hem IM ma teeie by" Ms is the row
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON and that as the dame sew Mood leht Whale= Oil* I" "Wild bril"..
S would have the *Met el imposing a rated M. in the He hallooed that if thippeelm wee waded to, it would
mud upon the very urine kr vim, behalf the mem was go a great way is aimen the appeides to the mu.
I. t• levied. is she rig swim* al tits
__.__,onlonn the Lord J. RUSSELL babied ft Os min ems within the
nasal martian had bees oferlor to wallow the mope ad the naphtha is whisk the am me fiends& He
rehm t Yet la few on ow" hollorainother Amid be glad to bast he okainem's analog as be
same thane 6s. ae On in the pima been eelleiled. ogalogg.
WIEN la be WI we the dame "Mil alai" Ilial Iha Mr. BERNAL said the question was one of smaidenNe
eliffiwiffithlork WNW Imola Oh* mead° let kaatioaka lanky. He doubted ray muck whether the pmehenlllo
Ids in id. shell hen the power of
ftie el the miss die ha mime darer, Le peweil 11111111.• T. sops
tithe elWlttlaa•
mesa, eseeleee or a.
at now ems gone Kr. 4. eißedEN was understood to oppose the previa%
IMO se Mammal ales* that Ibe allffilles al a ed. ate Sir G. GREY feared that it would be impossible to give
Weill Mtn the dlmt el reindeg them tea stele el leni- effect to this premise without altering other portions of the

in the county of Waterford, sad he had not seen
bill' ahhcialk oh. principle ado,"be a very
"sr °°°
to
P°l9°°tYuallel naked misery in say ether part of the
raise en a general attendant the poor-law. more SI and
Mr. H. GRATTAN would vets against the provho. province of Munster than be whammed there. (Haar.) Head
not say that the hon. baronet had asgleeled Ids duty.
After an observation tram Mr. Anna, (A laugh.) Bat he did my, that the hen. termed did not
Lteel 3' BUSSE" eeki he had scessina ne Sesithe' remount the county of Waterford; he represented the city
who was of opiidon that the words of the resolution on 0/ Waterford after a very hard struggle. Hs had never
which the bill was hued= were of so very a ohs-
, ventured elm Mandl' hr the ciounty , and in that respect
rune as n mike It very insult to say willawid Fen' to
he had shown his wisdom, because, had he become a condi-
amendment did not come within their scope. At the same date fcr the county, the great probability was that he would
time it was the opinion of the Speaker that if the MO" have been left is a very =an minority. (" Hear, beer,..
eh the bill wee headed gave e""
iskthat the resistice se leaf had himself e Sir H. BARRON, In reply to the observations of the
was calculated to alter the poor law it could not be put, sew ___, laughter.)
no-, power to alter the poor law. He
begged to that in 21 years he had built 7
property, say
poor law. slated residencies on it ; had e dad 4,9001. is three years
-
doubts as to whether it (the proviso) did not alter the boa. alembic for Dublin respecting his (Sir H. Barron's)
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said as this bill was merely a tem
on drainage, had built four schools at his own out,
pointy coescn, not lutesketeß with the getters' Peg law, had setablUked four model farms, one of 40 acres, another of
10, one being now in operation for 17, the other for 9
lord would admit it it would remove a pen away di* years. (near, hear.) One perish in the =Len
if
Dun-
cultism
he thought that the proviso might be put If the noble
cultism out of his way. 'Arran belonged to bin altogether, and there was not a single
Roan further eantrlation ea on the point of form, pauper in that parish reaming either in-door or out-door
whether the amendment could be put, in the nuns of relief. (Hear, hear.) Since the famine he had given cm-
which Sir W. Soitsuntin, Lord J. Roseau., and other ployment to every man on his property scattered though it '
boa. memben expressed their opinion that it would to was in different parts of the county of Waterford, and even
tempo-honerwould excuse him for making this statement, so por-
n many °then who did not belong to it. He hoped the
entertained in connexion with a measure for a mere
to alter the pow laws generally, and could not thane?* be
ruy purpon, nod to himself, in reply to the =founded remarks of the
Mr. BERNAL however was anxious to avoid dd.any- hen. member. (Ileardien.)
thing which might by possibility form a precedent for hmt- Mr. STAFFORD explained that what he meant to say
big the right of members in pennant amendments in futurewaa, that it would be better to abandon the sixpenny rate
eases, and the discussion al Kr. Fagan's amendment was altoether, than by adding it to the general rate, risk both.
allowed to proceed.
The bon. member for Dublin asked what security would be
11r. P. SCROPE was anxious to see how those Irish given if the rate in aid were abandoned. His hon. friend,
nuabers, who had expensed nob a decided objection to the the member for Kerry, had siready proposed an income tax
rats in aid—(beam a It would throw the burden upon the as a security, for whkh the hon. member for Dublin bad
pear occupier)—that they asked for the impend= of an voted, as soon as kg had escaped the onus of it, by obtaining
imams tax instead, would vote co WI proposition. the effect • lucrative appointment from the government for a relative
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loon wdltds.
hwas to transfer the burden to the shoulders of the of his.
Mr. REYNOLDS was not =an that any relation of his
Major BLACKALL.—Though he might be willing to had received a lucrative appointment from the government,
psi the rate for his poorer tenants if this rate should be pro- So long as nine months ago, his right hon. friend the Mar
he condemn it extremely unjust to compel the land- ter of the Mint—his friend of 27 years' standing—had offered
Mart; pay in all cases for his tenants, who might have as him, for big son, the very all appointment of second ea-
mush interest in the land as himself. abbot to the solicitor to the mint. He hesitated to accept
' Mr. I. O'CONNELL suggested that the clause should it, as he thought his son had then muds better prospects.
• tenants at will only, se that would encourage land- After much deliberation, however, he did accept Nation in ,
Inds to give leases, doing so he did not consider himself under any
whatever to the government, or to government influence, or
and brought forward for a tempo- to any other person whomsoever than his right hon. Mead,
bolflizsgWe iellOmporarTMEßVnalLmLreE, thought it most »advisable in a
tightto appoint.He was sorry, ere-
"in the principle who hed the tb
nr, lerP"s' ts uttrsdne ca gr." a elm- fore, that the hon. member for Northamptonshire
elf rating. should have thewn such bad taste as to have given them •
Mr. G. HAMILTON also opposed the amendment. re-hash of what he understood had been made the subject
of a question in the beginning of the evesiog by the hon.
pause.: Ilk.
IsßEtttYlsiptanOLDtSdultVettntowZdththattotrifththeewhamoiten amendment
burden
member opposite (Mr. Bateson). The object of the allusion
as the landlord and exempt the tenant. That was the fair he knew very well was to damage him (Mr. Reynolds) in
etemereetion—(hear, Mar)—sad that was the ground es public estimation ; but hon. gentlemen much mistook his
character, if they thought that that petty appointment, or
samead
any appointment would induce him to give a vote against
had voted for the motion of the hon. member for Longford,
m°ll°lll iteas twi would prepared tet the to
i mmisupport ey of the it'
163 (Chee
membersri.) Thisw ho
his conscience. (Hear, hear.) His son was • gentleman by
which win something very like a proposal for imposing en birth, education, and conduct; and in the latter respect at
lemmatax, instead of the rate in aid. least, would bear a comparison with the hon. member for
*awl DUNNE opposed the amendment, as did also Mr. Londonderry. He could say of him, too, that he never sailed
H. M. Fox. under false colours He (lir. Reynolds) could only attribute
Sir 11. W. BARRON objected to the proposition, as being the hon gentleman's ill natured question to the circumstance
a elepartne from the principle of the poor law, in which the of his hams taken the hon. gentleman to task some time
great error, as he thought, was that in the matter of rating
.. ago for being a captain. (A laugh.) if he were not a cap.
01 we not aseimileted to the With law, wcfeh leas we Lein, he bore all the exterior signs of it ; and if he had really
namder liable in all cases. He contended that it never had given up the military trade he would beg of him to take
beam the intention of the house that the 100,0001. already down his sign board. (Much laughter.)
granted for the relief et distress in Ireland should be levied Mr. BATESON maintained his right, as an independent
upon the landlords. Those who supported the first and second member of parliament, to ask a minister of the crown why-
nadieg of the Rata in Aid Bill had not understood any such thee the newspaper statement was true, that a young gen-
intention to exist, and thereto» in honour, justice, and min- dentin, who was not an English solicitor, and had been but
dple hon. members ware bound to oppose the amendment. a short time a solicitor in Ireland, hadl been appointed to a
Sir G. GREY objected to any alteration being made is lucrative and responsible situation in her Majesty's Mint,
the general principe of the Rate in Aid Bill, and for that without being subjected to the sneers or taunts of the hon.
reason deprecated the adoption of the proviso of the hon. gentleman.
member for Cork. Mr. GROGAN regretted that the discussion should have
Sir H. W. BARRON was sinned with the explanation bonnie so personal. He could not agree with the hon.
of the right hon. baronet, but must omens that he was member for Dublin that the rate in aid war very popular
somewhat astonished at the cooks's with which the hon. there.
member fi r Dublin (Mr. Reynolds) was about to era- After a few words from Major BLACXALL, the committee
city the Irish landlords. That honourable member divided,
war excessively liberal with other peel We property ; but it "‘" For the amendment 3O
might be well to sale whether he was quite so hberal with his Against it
own. (" Hear," and laughter.) It was uncommonly easy to On the clause being put,
vote, where a man had nothing himself to vote away. (Loud
laughter.) Mr. KEOGH said he should much regret if the act wen.
to be met with what was called " passive resistance," but he
Mr. REYNOLDS reminded the house that he had not thought it quite possible to drive • coach and six through it.
made use of the word " crucify." He left expressions of that B this second section the rate in aid was only required to be
kind to the excellent and elegant vocabulary of the eloquent aided to the first rate struck after the passing of the act.
baronet, the member for Waterford. (Continued laughter.) Now, if any board of guardians chose before the act passed
Mr. SCULLY thought the amendment war of too sweep- to strike a rate sufficient for the whole of the two yeah, they
fog a nature in exempting not merely tenants from year to might get rid altogether of the rate in aid.
year and tenants at still, but other oboes of tenants alp. Sir G. GREY said this was so improbable a contingency
Sit A. BROOKE was so utterly opposed to her Majesty's
government on this question that he would net vote in e that it had not been provided for, a= the government was
willing to ran the risk.
division. He disapproved cf the amendment, and of the The clause was then agreed to.
odium which had bnis attempted to be cast upon the On clause 3,
Laded proprietary of Ireland by the hon. member for
Mr. S. CRAWFORD moved an amendment expunging
Detain, and he would leave that hon. member and the
the words, " ma the said commissioners of her Majesty'sun-
government to settle the point between them Yto who
sury shall think fit," ma substituting the words, "as shall
should pry the rate. be directed by a board appointed as hereinafter provided."
Mr. S. CRAWFORD opposed the amendment upon the
ground that it was based on injustice, and that the bon. This waroentlem with a view to moving a clans of which the hon.
an ain given notice, vesting the power to dispose of
I member for Cork could not have considered all the bearings the 'es raised by the rate is aid in a national representa-
.„Te=d.
to ha elected from the several boards of gnar-
-1 et the question when he proposed it for the adoption of the
Imes fn Ireland. The proposal of this clause to give this
rfter.
.... i Mole.dhethlimexedemptlitiot
ntenelinute-daestzeidll
thweartslannotffietrds° mm
authority to the commiesioners of the treasury was most un-
man should alma possess • mutual interne to preventing
constitutional, and one which Englishmen would not have
the evils of pauperism, but that desirable object would not submitted to. He sought, by moving this amendment, to
be attained if the whole burden were thrown upon the land- protect the popular rights. Should it be affirmed, he would
lords. then move a clause, giving power to the several boards of
Mr. KROGH also opposed the amendment, and said guardians to elect, on a day to be fixed, the national tepee-
that the latter part of it was perfectly unintelligible. sanative board. If the board were not se formed, there
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the house ought, at least, to be scale national board, responsible to par-
divided : liament, even if they* were appointed by the government.
For the amendment l3 The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Against it
The amendment was consequently lost, and the original about this clause, the real object of which was to place the
clause was ordered to stand part of the bill. money practically at the disposal of the poor-law guardians.
Col. DUNNE moved an amendment of which he bad The words objected to had, in fact, been copied from the
given notice, to the effect that the rate in aid should be poor-law acts.
collected separately from the general rate under the Irish The committee again divided—
pocr-law act. For the amendment
S.r G. GREY opposed this amendment. He thought the Against it 117-98
On the motion that the clause as amended stand part of
rate in aid was much more likely to be collected without
producing a collision with the people, by collecting it in the the bins
manner provided for by the WI, rather than in the separate Mr. GRATTAN moved the omission of the clause. He I
form now suggested. did not see the use of sending halestarved people out of the
Mr. R. M. FOX was for having the rate collected seer country He advised hi, boo' friends opposite to keep the
rather
fight their bat
able-bodied at home, in order to battles ther than
rawly. He thought the people should be asked distinctly
Kid them to America to fight against them.
whether they would or would not pay Od. in the pound, ana
that it was most objectionable to mix up • temporary rate of Sir G. GREY said that the question was, whether the
this nature with the permanent poor rate. daunt, es amended, should stand- part of the bill, and the
hon. gentleman only objected to a few words of it.
Mr. STAFFORD said the temporary rate could not beto..en to.
collected separately—that the government dare not levy it in The remaining clauses were then The clean was then agreed
that form, and that, therefore, ministers were compelled to o.n
disguise the obnoxious nature of it by levying it with the Mr. ADAIR proposed the following clause—
other poor rates. One boo. gentleman had remarked that And._ be
tit it efteutithalwitroever,
or, awbraente
ainsuaki 6tigividbaenrtetobeles
the ether rates would float the airman. His opinion was ""
amount of Tolerate in aid, if leiied separately, iiella&qhave been paid
that the sixpence would sink the other rates, and that the out of any balance standing to discredit of such electoral division in
truth of the I:indictions of the Irish members, with refer- the books of the treasurer to the union wherein such electoral did-
meet* the resistance that would be given to thecolleetion in don is comprised, 'Lava be lawful for the weepier primarily liable,
Ireland, would hereafter be fulfilled. Whig a tenant at will, or leaseholder for a term of years whereat not
wee then *even shall be unexrdred. or for one life at a rack rent of
Col. DUNNE felt satisfied with the tun the discussion not mom than 2014:aemet, ti-,,- ti to which he shift have has
had taken. His amendment had effected exactly. what he nod as g skald cc to make coo-ei7a, clemency in the balance
intended it should. The government, by the mixing up of of the electoral di created es from any rent then due,
the two rates, had admitted the injustice of their present or witkli may become then next due from him to his immediate land.
attempt, and that admission was now upon record. lord, en modeled= of the receipt of the collector of poors rates ter
such payment, provided always, that in any receipt rsansr to be
Sir G. GREY thought the hon. and gallant member had glen by say at more rates, or long as this set shall remain
drawn an erroneous conclusion. The government, by the in awes, it shall be stated what mention of the gross rate, it any,
plan of collection they proposed, had simply endeavoured to shall have been paid es a rats in
nudes the proposed rate as little obnoxious as possible. Sir G. GREY hoped that the hon. gentleman would not
After a few words trom Capt. Joon, press the clause as it was the same in principle with the
Lord J. RUSSELL said the argument of the hon. and clause which had been proposed by the lion. member for
gallant mover of the amendment was this—that it was de- Cork.
Arable to exact the rate separately, in order to put the qua- Lord CASTLEREAGH hoped that the clause wend not
don to the people, whether they would or would not pay. be pressed. He thought that matins of this kind would be
Now, that was not a desirable issue. (Hest.) When alaw better settled between landlords and tenants themselves.
was one made, it ought to be obeyed ; and therefore he The dams was negatived without a division.
could not understand why the hon. member should be so Hr. ADAIR proposed three other clauses to the effect
very desirous of putting such a question to the tenantry. that Msame ehontfthe advanced for tunas! ei the destitute
Undoubtedly, if the house wished to provoke resistance, the own in any union until the commissioners should have eerti-
way to de so was to impose the rate separately, and to pmt it led that the utmost diligence was used in collecting the rates
to the people whether they would or would not pay; but as —that the sums so advanced should be deemed • first charge
there were persons ready to make violent harangues in he- on the property of the electoral division—that whenever a
land, and to persuade their hearses to resist the tax, it war. sum in the nature of a rate in aid should have been advanced,
not desirable to levy it in the manner now proposed (Hear.) it should be lawful for the commissioners to associate with
Mr. R. M. FOX apprehended that kis observations had the board of guardians a paid officer as an additional gun-
boat misunderstood by the noble lord. He believed that the dim. These abuses were negatived without a division.
rate would be likely to be collected separately, if it were
left Col. DUNNE withdrew thew clauses which stood in his I
to the good feeling of the people of the noik of Ireland to name,
say whether they would contribute towards the support of On the motion that the preamble be agreed to,
the distressed unions in Connaught. He had never dreamed
of being go mad as to countenance maisteace to it' collection. Sir J. YOUNG said he Ms i 0 correct a statement which
had been made by the hon. and learned member for Dan-
Lord J. RUSSELL expressed his regret if he had Edam- got, m,i th•
ramng evidence given by Mr. Terieleton.
stood any hon. member. The hon, and learned gentleman made it appear as if Mr.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY ;believed the house was about to Twieleton placed his only hone for Ireland on the revival
preetise.a delusion upon the sister country; but as the object of the potato crop. He had marked es in the evidence
of the right hon. gentleman the Roam Secretary was t° f°l- of that gentleman,whichwooldshowthat wesnot a correct
pose the tax quietly, and to render it as Clatable " representation of his opinion. Bat as he held in his hand a
Possible. be hoped the amendment would not Pthssed tO paper from Mr. Twisleton, he preferred reading it to the
a division. house. The hon. gentleman read the paper, which was to
Colonel DUNNE said it was became the proposed plan of the effect that so far was he (Mr. Twialston) from teach»;
levying was • delusion that ha should divide the beam the people of Ireland to rely on the potato crop, he stated his
Mr. REYNOLDS observed that although the rate in aid regret that the people were spin sowing them so eaten-
might be a delusion, the 100,0001. loan was undeserving of any sive! . It was true he stated that there was no hope that
Ruth appellation. That loan wieitzto es pear to be a reality. the • unions could go on without extraneous anis-
The hon. member for Northam' (Mr. Stafford) had tin after the next harvest unless the potato crop came
asked that night what security are was for the 100,0001.; round. Bat this was on the supposition that no other re-
but now there was some room to doubt that hon. medy had been adopted with regard to these unions, which,
member's 'inanity on this subject, inasmuch as he however, be thought required the adoption of some other
was about to vote for the amendment, which would remedy. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir 3. Young) also begged to
jeopardise the soloed= of the rate, and render correct the idea that Mr. T ton was of opinion the
the security less eosin. (" No, no.") He (Hr. Reynolds) poor law had broken down.
said "Yoe, me," became it was admitted on the other side Mr. McCULLAGH said he had not been singular in
that it would be immaible to collect it separately. The the interpretation he had placed upon Mr. Twialeton's evi-
right hon. geadennia, the Home Secretary, was not to be dance, bat he was perfectly ready to acknowledge that Mr.
cauOt in the batten he Itha by the hem member for Par- Twisleton must be the most accurate exponent of what he
plellman (Col. Dasseet, bseause be would mix it up with meant to say en the math». lie had never bad the
the general rate, sail iamb, reader its °Dila*on fella. slightest idea of treating Mr. Twideton with dhoinutesy, or
The argument of the be.. member for Northampeenthire of refusing to admit the services he had rendered.
war, let it be colletentmeislo ia order that it may nabs The house then resumed. The chairman reported the
eellected at all. (A )few be (Mr. Reynolds) amain- bill.
rarely anxious Omile He wasbeasetca thM. On the motion of Lord J. Rosana, it was resolved that
He was glad the gthmie c hearty " bed milled. the house should it this day at 12 o'clock, to receive the
Hoe. memberweer= %ban some qualm of
__ report.
Let ;them mak the:nodose, were they shinty lemma? He SUPPLY.—COMMITTEE.
believed they wen, although there was no obstacle which The bone then went into committee of supply.
human ingenuity could invest that they had net
_pat in Lord J. RUSSELL said that as he had undertaken not to
motion to retard thh bill. One bon.baronet (Sir 11. W. DIMS) bring on the naval estimates after 11, and as it was now put
had said that night that he (Mr. Reynolds) was very free 11, ha would not proceed with the naval estimate', but
with the property of others. He confessed that he did not would merely ask the house to agree to one vote, which it was
understand the meaning of the phrase. (A laugh.) He necessary immediately to vete.
certainly was anxious to make that hon. baronet and others The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
do their duty. He had pawed through that hon. baronet's vote he wished to obtain at once from the house arose in this

way. gm. years ego, a gentleman of the name Tof arise
died, leaving, apparently, no heirs or representatives;
her
precaution wee taken to auertain whether any nee h.;;;;
representatives were to be found, and none app,tl(4-0::
ba.ance of his property became escheat to the crow,
I was sceordingly paid over to the Consolidated Fend el igl.7
In 1846, however, a bill was filed in chancery, by
parties claiming to be next of kin ; a writ or legalry
issued, and the Jury deciding in favour of the claimant& toy
court ordered the money to be paid over to them. It betas'
thus necessary for the Chancellor of the Exchequer w
form the disagreeable office of refunding, the present vsq
was asked.
The question was then put, that a suet not emit.,
62,1231. he granted to her Majesty, to enable her Msjesey3
refund to the next of kin of the later Mr. Tomer the sea
adjudged to them by the Court of Chancery.
order
eer EXCHEQUERofthecouto;acidblie wee,
Mr. GOULBURN said that certain allowances had bele
granted to some attendants upon the late Mr. 1 urcer, eke
was a lunatic, for the extreme attention they had ;aid bit,
He hoped the ease of these persons would be considered.
noTwhperotringC
,EunTerßanof
and had no farther control over the moaey. Certain ants
had been paid to the parties referred to before the order arm
made, and, as the order only applied to the balance of the
property, these nuns, of course, would not be questioned.
Mr. BROTHERTON said that some years afm
Samuel Ashtoo, of Hyde, left 160,0001. to be paid ova
towards liquidating the national debt. Had the government
received this money ?
The CHANCELLOR cf the EXCHEQUER raid he
was not prepared with an answer to the question.
Mr. E. PALMER said the hon. gentleman need not
trouble himself about the money, it was quite safe ist
Chancery. (Laughter.)
The vote was then agreed to, and the house resumed.
SAVINGS BANK COMMITTEE.
Mr. REYNOLDS said that he had two changes telltales hi
the names of the select committee on savings banks, namely,
to substitute Mr. Keogh for Mr. H. Herbert) and MO.
Mackenzie for Mr. Forbes. false understood the right hon,
gentleman the Chancellor of the Exch. quer had some oh*.
tions to make to the names, he would, wit's the permission
of the house, reserve what he bad to rayon the subject until
the right bon. ireatlemaa had stated his objections.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he me
sorry to be ob'iged to take the course of objecting to the
committee proposed by the hon. member, but he oh;iieei
by his sense of public duty to do so, in order to avoid the
con( equence which would follow, of disagreeable personal
recriminations. He considered that be had made a very
fair proposal upon this subject to the hon. member, but as he
found it impossible to come to terms with him, the best way
of avoiding all difficulty was, in his (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer's) opinion, to le-appoint the committee which
had sat last year on the lams subject. That committee bad
very; diligently performed its duties up to the end of the
sesston, without a single disagreement cr div.sion, until the
hon. member for Kerry had dissented from the upinions of
the other members. Therefore, under all circumstances, he
thought a fairer committee could not be named then those
hon. members who had already carried on au inquiry Min
the subject of savings backs. No report had been made by
that committee, but if it was reappointed this
result might now be looked for. He must, how-
ever, take the present opportunity of denying tint
the question of savings banks was exclusively se
Irish one. It was obvious from the tone in which the die.
cession on a previoae evening was spoken of, that some bon.
members considered a claim had been istablabed upon the
Consolidated Fund for the defalcatiots of the sayings beak',
and this circumstance, third', re, took the appciirmentof the
select committee ontof the category of exclusive Irish question&
He thought that the committee which he had originally
nominated was a perfectly fair committee, much fairer thin
that now recommended by the hon. gentleman.
Mr. HERBERT contended that the committee to be sp.
pointed would have to inquire into Irish grievances elm*
exclusively. Therefore, for the right hon. gentleman te
nominate a committee in which there were only three Irish
members, was, he thought, most unfair.
Mr. GOULBURN observed that this was a meat en.
pleasant discussion. The question at issue was, whether the
committee of last year had discharged their duty fairly, co
whether there was any imputation against them. He had
not beard that there was any such imputation, end be was
inclined to agree, therefore, with the right hon. gentleman
opposite in the re-appointment of the committee of lut year.
He should adhere to the nomination of the committee of last
session.

Mr. KEOGH was prepared to support the hon. member
(or Kerry in maintaining that for the consideration of this
question another committee should be appointed. Itwu
said that this was a national question, and, in one seam it
was a national question. The right bon. gentlemen had said
that, when proposing a new committee, he thought it fair
and reasonable there should be six lambs!' tram Ireland, sod
yet he now proposed his amendment that a committee
should be appointed in which were the names of only
three Irish members. In the army and navy committee,
amongst 15 members serving, there was no Irishmen. On
the divorce balls committee divorce being a matter in which
some persons said that Irishmen had somethe gto do
with the initiative, there was no Irishmen. There
was no representative for Ireland on the real and
personal property committee. In the committee on
the School of Design, the English members were 14 to
am Irishman. Then was not • single Irishmen on the non-
Wan on Fees In Courts of Law. There was one committee
hum which Irish members were excluded, and on which he
male no complaint, and that was the Insolvent Members
committee. This showed that Irish members were carefully
passed over, and in the committee before the house he raid
they were entitled to a larger representation. The right
hoe. gentleman said that the savings banks had a claim
upon the national exchequer and that, therefore, it wax a
national concern. He (Mr. Keogh) thought it an imperial
memeen that no portion of her Majesty's subjects in Ireland
shield remain under the impression that wle, n they asked
he OM inquiry it bad been denied to them by the house.
Kr. FIUME, having been a member of the committee last
year, must say, that most unpleaseut disclosures bad takes
place, and for one he concurred in the resolution that fur-
ther inquiry was rs•quisite. There ought to be a just pro-
portion of members for England, Scotland, sad Ireland.
This was a question of great importance. It aff teed the
whole of the savings banks in the united kingdom; and
whatever principle might be adopted in the com-
mittee ought to be applied to all savings banks.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that in 1844 a deputation
from all the chief saving banks in the kingdom met in this me.
tropolis : they did him the honour to make him their chairman,
and he happened to know from that circumstance what was
their opinion as to the changes of the law in 1844. le spits
of all the remonstrances on the part of this deputation that
trustees and managers should not be free from the responsi-
bility which should arise from the consequences of any wilful
neglect, those who were in power in this house at the time
made the change. He considered the committee appointed
by the hon. member for Dublin to be a fair committee.
Mr. J . A. SMITH said that the simple question to be de-
cided was, whether the government were responsible for
money deposited in savings banks before it arrived at the
Treasury ; and he could not conceive on what ground any
imputation was thrown en the Chancellor of the huhequer.
The composition of the former committee appeared to him
perfectly unobjectionable. Ile protein d against the qutes
lion being treated as a purely Irish one.
Lord C. HAMILTON said that the committee was ap-
pointed in express terms to make inquiries with regard to
savings banks in Ireland. As an Irishman, he regretted to
say that oases of mismanagement preponderated in Inlaid,
and the house ought to beware how it did anything which
might 'appear like opposition to full and impartial inquiry.
All that was wanted was a committee, the members of which
would be able to devote the requisite amount of time to the
investigation. He hoped that official and technical objec-
tions would not be allowed to stand in the way of such an
inquiry.
Mr. REYNOLDS rejoiced that he had very little to an-
swer in the shape of objection. The Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer had steered very wide of the real question, why
was, whether he (Mr. Reynolds) should enjoy the courtesy
usually extended to those who succeeded in getting a com-
mittee appointed. The sole ground of objection to him
that the report of the committee on which he had previously
eat, was lame and impotent; but it had not been stated that
he (Mr. Reynolds) had sought to have its labours continued,
and that the right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the RP
chequer had himself defeated that object, by interposing
government business on the night when he (Mr. Eel'
nolds), was about to make • motion on the subject
The right hon. gentleman now sought to r.-appont the
committees of last year—a most immaculate committee, no
doubt ; but still one only appointed to inquire gen/rile
into the state of the law as affecting savings banks. Whet
he wanted was a committee to inquire specially into the
affairs of St. Peter's Savings Bank in Dubin,
those of Tralee bank, and of that of Auchterarder, in
Scotland. This was an Irish case, and one of no common
importance. It was the case of 1,700 pauperised artists of
the city of Dublin who had lodged 50,000/. in the sayings
bank on the faith of England's honour. (Hear, hear.) The
committee of last year contained 12 Englila and 3 Ira
names, end what he proposed was, 8 English and 7 Irish
names. He wee surprised that the right hon. geetiemin
should object to his committee, and wished to know the
reason. He appealed to the House of Conundm
to see Praise clone to his poor countryman,
w°Ft
he might add, countrywomen. It was a question in
interested the people of England and Scotland as well In
the people of Ireland. They were all under the imere!O°
that they had national security for their money. Newel
security ! National moonshine. (A laugh.) They hod Newel
and whom
tmher.m
Tanzgeidd Prattriovebrywhhiosmactihreere leaelerd"
kni
sponaibility. He believed that the poor people might °.
reimbursed without any loss to the nation, as there
• surplus of about 300,0001. to the credit of the gensne
savings bank account.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was soxiem
that the question should be settled in an amicable manner.
The course he intended to take was this :—The first fool
eames were the same as last year, and would, of course, pees
without opposition. He proposed, then, without say dor_l;
imeetto the gentleman personally, to divide upon the fifth, the
Orr that to arrange the remainder so as if possible to men
the views of the hon. member. nocoantni,rt.
The first four names were then put, and agreed to wits
discussion.
On the fifth (Mr. Napier) being proposed,
he would take a division on this name. (Oh, oh.)
o 1
meant no disrespect to the gentleman. The only' 87"1,11,4
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated thst.
objection was has not having been on the committee co
year.
The house divided—
For the retention of Mr. Napier's name 74
111-37
Against it

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