The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FIIDAY EVENING, MAY 12, 1848.

bring io a bill for an inquiry into this ease, he having inti-
mated that though be could ant agree to the issuing of the
writ without inquiry, be could not go to far as the amend-
ment of the hon. member fee Montrose proposed—vie., to
suspend the writ altogether.
Earl of MARCH. remarked that it was wholly in
The
cemsequence of the promise given by the noble lord to bring
in a bill for proceeding immediately with the inquiry
as to Bonbons, that he had consented to withdraw his motion
for issuing the new writ. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME fully approved of the course government
had taken, and hoped • tull inquiry would be instituted into
all the cues in which there was reason to suspect bribery
had prevailed at the late election.
Mr. OONNOR, while expressing himself favourable to
inquiry, protested against placing all the boroughs suspected
of corrupt practicee in one indictnient, and it would be most
unjust to the eleet-rs of (
the that they should remain
unrepreeeeted until all the other cases had been
that was proposed war,
that the same modeerved of trialthat shoalluld be adopted in all the
cases. Each case would be dealt with separately, and on its
own merits.
Mr. MANGLES believed that the only way to put an end
to bribery in small boroughs was to throw
them
th open to
much larger constituencies. In the majority of o-
roughs now there mere from 100 to 200 honest electors on
each side :sh
oree were, pethape, 40 Of 50 more whose votes
were always tbe bought, and who always turned the scale
in favour of that candidate who paid most.
Mr. J. STU Ali thought the circumstances under which
the only question now under consideration, viz., what was
to be done with the borough of llorthein, arose, were most
unconstitutional and wijustitiable as regarded that borough
and the house, and not very creditable as reganled the go-
vernment. (Rear.) The noble lord having gis en a pledge
to bring forwcrd a bill as to llorsham, proposed now, if not
to a.m, to leave it in aheyance until the house shld
have ba
decndided upon another measure which had nothingou to
do with the borough its question. Was the government bill
to be abandoned ? No answer was given. Ulcer.) Was I
it to he proseruted ? ea answer was eiven.
Lord J. RUSSELL intimated that he was perfectly ready
to give an answer. (liner.)
Mc. .1. SIT ART —But in the sneerer the noble lord had
already given, he bed mixed up this ense ith that of every
borough in the kingdom. The promise of the noble lord
wee, that the inqa,re as to llorsham should be by a com-
mittee as in the Sudliury caw, and not by a roving commie-
ajar.
Sir R. INGLIS contended that the house
ahavin otg,
hers t
ie
ein
cases tit Lancaster, Carlisle, Sligo, Aylesburytion, issued new
, nd
which members had been unseated on peti
writs. those who proposed to make Horsham an exception, and
to deprive'it for a time of its constitution .1 privileges were
bound to show sufficient muse. (ilea.) That had not been
dose, and should the present motion be pressed to a division
he should vote fur it.
Mr. STAFFORD referred to the mysterious circurnstacees
under which Cie defence of the seat for Horsha had been
so suddenly abandcned, but could not understand why, be-
muse of a conversation with a pothoy in the lobby of the
committee-room in London, the purport of which nobody
knew, but which had resulted in the surrender of the
seat, the bemegh ebstild be temporarily disfranchised.
I near. hear.)
Lord J. Itt"-±i.,ELL had been asked by the hon. and
learned member (Mr. Stuart) what coarse he intended to
pursue with regard to the bill he hail brought in. The course
he proposed to take was this: to wait until the house should
come to a decision upon timbal of the hon. baronet the mern-
:ter for the Flint boroughs; and if that bill should be affirmed,
a dud,he borough cf Harwich should be included in its sche-
ule, the inquiry would take place in the moth laid down by
that measure, in which ease the bill he I ad introduced as to
this particular case would be no touter necessary.
Mr. STAFFORD—Will them oble lord give the bill be
refers to prec,dence of the govment business ? (Cheer+ 1
Mr. CRITES deprecated any further postponement of the

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vain
on his measure
Sir J. HAMMER was withal( to bring
whenever opportut.ity was afforded him, but suggested that
as he had made various alterations in it, at the suggsotion ot
several legal authorities and other, perhaps it would be
better to read it a steond time then pro fermis —(no, no)
have it printed with the amendments, and take the discus-
sion on Mel into eammittee.
Lord 3. ItIeSSELL intimated that he would give up
Thursday next for the discussion, ar.d
Sir J. HAMMER fixed the second reading for that day.
Mr. HENLEY complained of the injustice the electorsthat
of ,
Horsham were subjected to by the delay, and suggested
at the bill of the hon. member for the flint boroughs was so
much altered he had better withdraw it, and reintroduce it
in its improeed shape.
The SO LI C ITO lt-U EN ERAL though rwhat had weaned
proved p efficiently that it wets neither the fault of govern-
ment nor tie hon. baronet (Sir J. lianmer) that the bill was
not proceeded with. He could see no reason why the prix I
ciple of the bill should not be affirmed atm ea on
oe II
ce-1
that principle being to provide ter an inquiry, by ns
commissioners on the spot, into all those cases in which there
was Tenon to 'aspect, from the report of the election eon-
emitters. that terrain practices had prevailed at elections.
The propesed changes were merely hz the machine ha
for car-
rying out that object. As that was objected to, perhps the
better (verse weule be to withdraw the bill—re-introduce it
with the alteranens, and take the dieeussion as proposed on
Thursday. (Hear, hear.) lie wietted it, however, to be
understood that it was no fault of the hon. baronet's (Sir J.
Mailmen), or the government's, that a speedy decision was
not come to en the subject.
Sir R. PEEL had distinctly nr.derstooti that the noble l
us-
ord,
on the part tat the government, when he proposed to s
pend the writ and promised to introduce a bill for that pu ose.
rp
had stated that e inquiry in the case of llorsham would
tine
be proceeded la ith without delay. Jinn, hear.) It was
upon receiving from him (Sir R. reel) an intimation that
that was his impression that his noble friendd
had
( Lerd
March) etocsented to withdraw his motion: an
that not l en his understandieg of the arrange•
mint he theta. have had great reluctance in con-
senting to the postponement of the writ. Now he under-
stood this CUT was to he left te be dealt with by the
bill o' the hon. member for the flint boroughs with the
others ; and that the noble lord pr tpe.ed to give up Thurs-
day next far the discussion. (Hear. hear.) That, howeeer,
would tot solse the difficulty. TLe seeend leading might
be ettirmed, Let important question., might arise in com-
mittee as to what extent the :equity should be carried in
each case ;and he was one to suspend the writ on the
Horsham case until those inquiries should be concluded.
(Rear, hear. The coune he woad recommend was that
government ) should themselves undertake the conduct of the
bill by means of which the inquiry was to be instituted.
The indetinite postponement of the writ was a serious mat-
ter, and cen,idering th the
at te Sellettend had wand or-General had already
been privately cersulted on t blb:li
clauees. he thought it would give him very Ihtle additional
trouble to take theeheduet of it ea
that house . I Ilear•)
After a few words from Lid le oEtentll in favour of the
motior, ,
Mr. E. DENISON said he hoed the hon. member
would not proceed to a vote ; e-t it he did, he (Mr. D.) I
would vote ter the motion, unties the noble lord took the
matter into his own hands.
Mr. GORING said he (lid not object to inquiry, but he I
could not see why Horsham sheede net have the madea mea-
sure of justice as those °the r plates for which wilts been
issued. lie should therefore e.vile.
For isisuing the writ
Against it ........................ 167--t, i
LUNATIC ASYLUMS te4COTLAND) BILL.
Tho LORD ADVOCATE, in moving the eecti necessondity rea
the 11
ding 1
of this Lili, netted its import ales an en
ground that in 24 counties then was efooluttly at this mo-
meat no actomnvAation whew.? in the shape either
that oh of
public or private asylums for :leant.. Ile prop e'
the bill be, read a second ttme it be referred to a select'
committee, tepieg by it to remoee what he coneidered as al,
stain and reproach upon the country.
Mr. F. MACKENZIE melee' cot oppose the hill, but
differed from the learned lore to t; the propriety of establish-1
ing a separate hoard.
Mr. !JUNE said he had to obtectien whatever tothe
Principle ot the bill, knowing ns et (lid the necessity which
existed in many parte of Scotland :or ench accommetletion
for the reception of the unfair ;e class of individuate for
which the bill went to prey: ',... ):-. however, must exerts,*
a doubt as to the necessity •f t - int a new hoard to
manage and centred the ass ierre. :iv thought the paroched
board, could well discharge ti...-. ei v. ,
Mr. AOLIONDY eoneutr. e. :: t.:.e principle of the bill,
unit thanked the goveennit et ter te..• steleitude ,bown
by the
measure for the care of the er e 17--inute class of persons to
'atom it rt fated. At the sae: t:tne he must observe that
from Kirkcudbright and Deretras remit complaints Intl
reaelicd him on the subject •i'.. e
otxpense wheth the bill
would throw upon the tar. •p:...r, those district.
hle. FORBES sale that he shoe, . be glad tot learn the the
vrineh the propene' hen et. wo would entail upon
e' rase
At present tie wee-erred with the hon. member
for Montrcse f Mi. Hume, 31 r_e.eting a neer board wholly
unitectesary. Ile should. net, etteeever, oppose the ttecend
reading of the bill.
Mr. EWART gave hi, warn. t .;.port to the general prin-
eiple of the bill, which was v ry much required in many
parts of Scotland. Ile hope.: tiewever, that regard would
be had to the peculiar pwitioce ,es KirkeudbrlghteDumfries,
and Wigton, all of went, ii.e& ten ithout any additional
outlay, avail themselves et the ampleaecommodation afforded
ty the Crichton Asylum at Llndense..
Mr. MAITLAND statel thet withal the last few days the
measure had received the sweet.' of It large meeting, held
in the stewartry of had been
leirkeutlbrigh-, and that within the lest
fortnight a similar Ciprt6b.e.+l: tel I oieitm tnide ha
other parts of Scotland. .
Sit G. CLERK supports., tee e.....ageintewbich no sub,
su.ntial oppoeition hail betel 7.41,.., teroughoitt Scotland. He
cordially eePreetsel thir.l3or44,lv-nit)le•Wleithil thought the
Lord Advocate had dune wine/ 4 pr.*:_wille to refer ft td a
select committee, by wuene .the c ApplAwited details of 'the
measure Lt he ati awns:. , .
Mr. J. WORTLEY.jelted ez:th the. tight hon. baronet
G. Clerk) in thanker.; the leeraesreL Advocate fee
. Couneeted with the evarte of Bute, he eines
horrible syste to knee, sate wen the nntoetutrete
ins sent th.the /4,,---4C.Antra, and who • were
in a merely i.e.., I,..l.taleang te luthian nature.
inorel4,4, y e.r.i. ',remedy ehin the, existing
.41 itLEeSidalt , with refteence to the insane. •
ADIDAS etas ti114.{.L.2i the bill, and united'
in
bestowed on thi. Ler eeeteneate Azi its iutrodione
*ow words from the Leone) ennvocaxe the bid was
1 time, and sneer. .1 to Al referred to . a .select
. .

41.E51UVAL ALAENS BILL•
fLEY moved tt.t ?ceding of the:Rena:mak
Bill.
l of ARUNDEL 5.0. l SURREY begi•
etl to r.::
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tadutu.k.er tht o.lmlter of v.ers'in Ftaue)

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amine
he at to the Count de Montalembert. That gntle-
hr use.gese antegwalogyonon ppoett
to Of r
ptrawntl;:ty thre
man stated that he found witk great concern his name bad • esi
been mentioned in that house aeons of there who bad incited hum dissaming republicanism, aod adopting
such
Ireland against the British government ; and he added 1 violent measures as the one we are now discussing.
Nothim awn be further from my lan sage and opinions Mt Wend, And I entreat the governnsent not to think that there is a
(Hear, hear.) I have already
jest. I have &hew, It is true, felt and espreseedttte
tdeepest amps. paisi,, ac re
on the pert of the country in the me..
thy for the.er.orip gs and A.utfir‘rtnf: of Ireland: ittnbab: j. lasz
team. • tintni sores they
en now
peeetee.
:etVteett. Lr unettete. Nooe en,r= tgg' 6,, her nun nuke gg explained why it is that you have a majority in thin how ;
well as for the sake of religion and Immunity, England will te,00.0 AA the feeling outside, I Moore VIA, ii very different--(hear,
posed& animater, to Ireleiel ; but, at the mme time I reinsin tenets, hear )-and if you want to maintain the institutions of the
the die•trities a moral force AA professed by the itlestrious Daniel country, do not trust to coercion, but engirt to concessions -
setionnell. As for the repeal ot the union, I have never es messed any to remedial measures; reform yourselves and retrench your
opinion upon tr. !inhjec expenditure. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. MOWA 1 considered the bill to be a direct vie
lotion of the spirit of the he and an outrage Lord J. RUSSELL-The hon. member for Falmouth
upon the public opinion of the day. It Moe a measure (Mr. Mowatt) complained that the government hail, at the
which could only be justified by stern necessity as had lieginning of the session, introduced various measures of
been Admitted by the right honourable baronet (Sir U. coercion, and raid that they were abandoning the principlet
Grey) when he introduced the tell. The right hon. baronet which they had formerly professed, and were acting against
had, however, failed to show the existence of any such ,ne- the constitution of the country as generally recognised by
ceeity. Same details ought to have been furnished the the people. It him certamly been our tate to have to intro
house in this respec, but, OA yet, the house was without any duce measures which were intended for the purposes of re-
justification or palliation for this bill. Ile deeply regretted premien. If such measures were not necessary, we were not
that a liberal government sliould have devoted all this session pettihed in introducing them ; if they a ere necessery. I
to the passing of penal measures only, for it seemed to him thiiik then wo should have been much to blame had we re-
that they were trading upon the fear of the country. fused to perform that which was our duty to the welealfectsd
Though this was a childish and u elect his it wee cal• and well•dispotied pcoplo of this country, from any fear of
culled to widen the breach between this country and re- meth imputations an the bon. gentleman has thrown out.
publican France, and wee intended to stop the introduction (Hear, hear.) But I think there are some tests by which
of republican principles into this country. In that respect the utility and nectesity of such measures may be tried. One
tphuiemiaitshuortu•tweisptremoo
ilna,ttet,hfoerarilibplsicinhperfiegictiiilnee
.weerglietl:le ands,
.ith wanheitiltiteiroludeih.t
um:bailee
El:. witewlivephaiihoirotoui,omtirid utocetilli,e
by many thinking mei educated men in Great lititein. and of which the operation has been in some degree
Seeing that the bill was unnecessary, ueeless, and unconsti- seen, have been successful in diminishing crime and the ve-
nation'', he should move that it be read a third time thistle', cement to crime, whether they hive here euccessful in
six months. allaying. that state of disturlunce and uneasinesa which pre-
Mr. lIUME seconded the amendment. railed in one part of the united kingdom. (Hear, hear.)
Lord D. STLIA.Itt cauld not allow the third reading to And a second test is, whether those measures have operated
1 government introduce a measure of this description-a ordinary snit A um% enjeyment of the liberties of the pt•oplo
measure which was wholly unnecessary awl uncalled for. of this country. (llear, hear.) In 'peeking of those rata-
Mr. MUNTZ said be should with great plereure support mires, and applyieg thew teste-fellowine the example iif
the amendment, and should rejoice if ho could throw out the hon. memlser tor the West Riding of York-hire -1 do
this most disgraceful measete. not mean to make any distinction between whig and tory- •
Mr. EWAKT must reprise, his eisapproliation of this men- (hear, hear); because I believe that both parties, in these
WC ; he objected to the principle entirely. unite, whatever may have been the distinguishing character.
Mr. M. ts't htt thought the bill wholly unnecessary. lathe which belonged to these parties in anterior periods of
He principally objected to it as giving evidence of timidity our history, have been canteeny and equslly anxious to
ansdirgriotunlte maintain those constitutional le wren. so Item the boulder the
Eitialt iirYnis.eiel this was no question of interfering inhaltitante of these islands. Now, with regent to the first
with other countries, but of foreigners interfering with us. measure ietroduccel by us, which has been descrilwil ae e
It such persons chose to i•orne here and plot against our in- coercive measure-the Irish Arens Bill -we found that there
stitutiens they deserved condign punishment. began to prev blot autumn, a dreadful ficemency of MCC
Mr. G. la NCAN said he should support the measure in Ireland, making the life ut every individual unsafe, awl
because government considered it necessary. eieher driving men from the country, or espoting them, as
Sir G. WIEN: thanked the hon. gentlemt n who had op- they returned home from market or any other ordinary
.posed this measure. fur the Winless with which their oppuee• %minims, to be waylaid and assaesinated from behind the
lion bad been conducted. In moving the second reading of hedges ; in ehort, reducing the country to such a state, that
the bee he had referred generally to the state of attain every one who was a posseseor of property, or had anything
which rendered it neccuary, to the circumstances occurring to do with its management , even down to tee small farmer,
every day, familiar as they. were to every one in was made to feel that he could not safely ioliabit the
the noun. lie had not wished to introduce names country. (Hear, hear.) Sir, we introduced a kill which I
of particulars ; but circumstances had come to his do not think interft red with the ordinary employment of
own knowledge, in the discharge of his official (tidy the people of Irtiend, which was not open to the objection
with reference to some foreigners at present in this country, that attached to the various bills that have been introduced
nut those who had sought refuge here from political pease- with the lame object at other times-that of confuunding
cation on account of opinions expressed in their own come the innocent with the guilty ; fur this hill, while it left the
try, but those who were here for the purpose of ceerceeng innocent in the enjoyinent of all their privileees, took
an interference in the affairs of this nation, which would not effectual pains to disarm those who were intent up:Onetime,
he allowed in any c iuntiy. ( Ilea, hear.) Ile did not and in the habit of cJintnittiag crime. lam happy to say
mean to say there was the leaet pretence that this bill was that the last eccounts which we have remind as to the
necessary tor the security of the throne and government ; amount of crime In Ireland, tend to show how very great a
such a suppoetion would be on insult to the people of this cheeky leas been introduced into the condition of the people.
country. tCheers.) The government had hail too much 1 find that while in April, 1817, the number of crimes
reason to appreciate the sound loyalty which animated the amounted to 5,20.,, in April, 'SIX, they only amounted to
people not to expr. es the fullest confidence that any maelii-
Al' Ilumicidee, which in April, 1847, wide 21, were in
nations or disturbance, whether by foreigners or others, April, lleIS, only U. The crime of tiring at persons had
would be put down by the sound loyal and constitutional diminished from 19 in April, 1847, to .h in April, lull.
feeling of the people. (Cheers.) But woald hon. goal
The crime of demand or robbery of arm had diminiehed
tlernau look at whet had Wien place in Intend and say the from fie in April, lea, to 12 in April, ISM ;the crime of
bill was unnecessary f Government had a right to take some le.aring arm. from lii in April, 1847, to 7in April last. In
made fur the precautionary meaures they had adopted, as the same way several other crimes have dimshed very
instrumental in bringing about the more satisfactory state of greatly ; and even in the hat month, as compared with the
things which now prevailed in that country. The hind end prei•elling, the diminution in the total :seemlier of emirs has
peaceable subjects ot these realms had a right to Intik to the been from 1,19 to 1,196. (Ilear, hear.) I certainly should
goveinmere for reasonable measures of precaution. cll. ar, not omit to mention that in two cin:uits, these td iites
hear.) Looking at the peculiar circumstances of Lurope County and ieecornmon, no offene% against the
and of neighbouring countries, at the spirit of propagandism person are report( d in April, 18 IS. 'fherefore,
which exis ed-not on the part of the government of those whetever l'inguage may be used against the government,
countries, but of individual. belonging to foreign come ries- for having introduced the bill which was ca rr irr t thioneh
the g vernment was bound, in justice to the loyel and this house before Christmas, it is a great satisfaction to me
peaceable subjects of this realm, and fur their security those to have been instrumental in passing an act, owing to the
any attempt ut disturbance, to ask from parliament those coneluences of which, in a great measure, there has been
powers which in
they
times they might not think secured greater safety to life, end men are enabled to carry
neceesary ; and they asked them now only for a limited on their eccupations with Pettey in that country, free from
time, and for an object which distinguished thew bill the apprehensions of continual and barbarous murders.
from former alien eels-simply, the preservation of peace (Cheers.) But, sir, we introduced very lately a measure
and tranquility in teese realm.. Allusion had been made for the gloaters ecurity of the crown and government uf this
to what tell from the learned Attorney-lienerel on a former country. The main (rehires of that measure were features
occasion. as to the ',reliability of this measure being inopera- of mitigation--mitigatien of the law at firemen as it previously
live.
What was meant by the hon, awl learned gentleman stood. (Heat) But we did that to which I think no one
was that the occasions would be very rare on which it would could well object; seeing that if a measure in reference to
be nteeuary foe the government to put in force the powere that crime was necessary for lengland, it was no less necueary
they possessed. lle believed the object would be fully for Ireland ; and if it were proper that we in this country
aaswered be its being known to those who were disposed to should hit subject to nude a law, it was no lege tit
abase the lieepitality of this country and the liberality of its that the Irish should be subject to the same law.
ulmiuistrAtion with regard to foreigners, that the govera- ( are hear ) Though that act list been in eperetien
ment pouessed those powers. (Hear.) lut them know that, tat a very short time, its effect, its successful effect, in !n-
-it they cause here for a lawful purpose, hospitality land has been very visible. (Cheers.) Every o nodillTend friendship would still be extended to them ; but member that, six weeks ago, it was impossible to any of
if they came fur other purposts, if they came at the papers tram Ireland without seeing that insti were
the unit:dim of parties within the United King- making a great bravado of their courage; with great cm
dom, asking them to "mist in creating disturbance, 'shads, and with great demonstration of what they were
then let them know that thin government poessesed the about to do, they declared it was their intention tu make
poweredwhi it would notshrink from exercising-but which war against her Majesty and her Majesty's troops, and to
it hop no
to be called on to exercise-of removing them %ever Ireland from its a.legiance to this eouniry ; and the N
from this country, solely fur the purpose of preserving the spared nu kind of invective, not only aseeinst the crown and
peace end tranquillity of this country, and preventing the government, bus against the people of this country. (Cheer,. )
accomplielnuent of those evil design. ethic!, they bad come It has appeared latey, indeed, that those persons, although
here to further. (Cheers.) Ut course fOrriMICIII coming they %peke in thin way, spate so very much became they
here for busintss did not come within the operation of the were in Dublin, and actually under the security and prate-
bill, but only such persons as he had now described. Its Con of that very governmeut which they professed theirs e-
truettil the house would not repent having contided thew termination to overthrow and annihilete. (Cheers) And it
powers to the government, the result of which he hoped did happen that when on Line occasion the commander of
would be most satisfactury. (Hear, hear.) tier Majesty's troops had not forces immediately at hie
Mr. M. GIBSON mid that those lumens who imagined deposal, in order to protect the person% of some of thewore
that the ordinary laws and statutes of the realm were nut of these wouldew tractors-these penions were in danger,
eulticiently eteingent to deter aliens from committing crimes not from her Majesty's troops and her Majesty's police, hut
against the public safety hied ample iustithation in intrude.... they required the assistance of those very troops eed police,
ing and suppurtiug this measure ; but he had great deli- in order to wive them from the consequences of those
cult] in believing that it was necessary to
oath anything harangues and those writings in which they had so freely in-
whatseever to the powers of the exec mire r e criminal dulged in Dublin and some other places. (Cheers and
law to order to prevent aliens from disturbing the pease laughter.) But, sir, although these very pereons were so
of the realm. (Hear, hear.) If asked whether he would willing, a few weeks ago, to submit to the [imitates of high
punish an alien for doing tbit, his allsW.l was. he would treason, and so ready to declare that they must either put
punish an alien just the same as an L'uglislimen fer any dawn Clarendon, or that Lord Clarendon trust put
offence ageinst our laws. ( Llear.) An alien, while in this down them, their tone has bent entirely changed. (Cheers.) 1
couutry, owed a temporary allegiance to our laws, hut was It is new the most mild and mitigate) Dunn, the most
entitled at the same time to Mete protection. II it were milk-and-water redition- (laughter)-eo weak a mixture of
thought sae
to surround an Englielicuan with safe- treason, insubordinetion, and rebellion, that it really has
guards against the success of a false accumtion, why tamed become mete fiat to those whose appetites It
present-1y
not a foreigner also stand in need of the same safeguards ? been tickled by the highly• flavoured diet formerly prepared
An alien in England, not epeeking the language, havilig no and administered by these permute (Great laughter.) I
means of ceiling witnesses to charatter, without the i•rdi- Therefore, 1 say, wentg to that net, which met with 1
nary means of exciting the sympathy of eltlat around him so much oppositioin this hosier, that it has here very use- ,
which an Englishman pssessed-was he the man to have ful for its purpoP, has had the effect of cerbilig in a •
the less need cot these invaluable safeguards against rabic great mesaure this very inflammatory and dangerous tan-
, aecusations which were secured to our own countrymen ? if gunge. At the name time, I venture to assert that it has
tore safeguards could not be diepeneed with in one cam not in the least degree diminished or embed the peeper
they certainly ought r.ot to be taken away in the other. liberty of discussion in Ireland with reepect to any measure
(Cheers.) Entertaining, as he did, a strong objection to of the government. (Hear.) I venture to ray that any one
again placing an alien act on the statute book he could not who really wishes to discuss the measures of the government
do less than state the grounds of his objections. hatever faulte he might wish to hind with them. or what-
Mr. IiktUTHERTUN had not the least doubt with regard ever epitheU ho might 'mesh to apply to the conduct of the
to the people of this country. lie would have government government-i• fully ea much at liberty to do so as he was
lead public opinion rather than (misuse it, knowing that they before this act peened. lie meet keep within certain limits;
would be supported if they did AO. lie should support this he must not use eeditious languaee. Such was the law ot
nieusure as a question of conscience. the land before this act paved ; euch is the law of the land
Mr. COBDEN --Sir, the speech of the hon. gentleman now. Oleo, hear.) Then we come to the bill now
who preceded ine appi an to in -to he not so much in lavour before the houeo, of the they; of which I. certainly can-
of the ministry as of a minister. This sip' teh had confiened not speak very confitlently ; but corteinly my right now
me in the opinion which I 'nave fur some time entertained, friend near me (Sir G. Grey ) has given MO rellsoll to think
that we are liable to puss bad nu Retires here, not bee.eums we that it will have a beneficial effect. I wish to disclaim ite
approve of them, but because there happens to be a peculiar being &mice againet any particular government or any
state of artier, whereby a huge 'lumber of meraliers on this particular nation. (Hear, how.) It is quite untrue that it
aide of the house support the government in good or bad MCA- mat all intended against French government or against
sures because they have tweak foe fifteen years in the habit of the people of France. (lbw., hear.) With respect to the
voting for them-(hear) ; and the state of parties on the government of Frame, lo
am sure wo all have reason to re-
other side induces a large number of members to vote collect with the strongest feclinee of admiration that in a
with the government IIrCAIIAC they are not prepared to take moment of great peril, when noose could say what might
the government the
; and another huge body sup be the fate next ilay of thembere of the l'rovisiunal
Carta the government because they would prevent the other Government, one of the members of that government,
Hr
on their own ride ot the. house front taking the Mons. Lamertine, held language to the Irish deputice,
gen niment at all. (lieu, and lauphter.i I think this a who, to say the least, for a very to
purpose, had
very unfurtunete nate of parties ; because we get rid of all gone to the French tepital-feheers)-lanittiage which,
our responsibi:ity, and instead of cot ism for or against certain while it exposed him to the assault of any ruffian who wished
measures on conscientious considetets, we are apt to be to curry terror and insurrection into this country, was Vieth
swayed by the thought of who is in offic ice'. who is liktly to honourable to him at, a man and praiseworthy to him AA a
see situ CifiCe. I have made up my mind to give my vote minister-luneenao owed that he really had at heart,
- • ''' -*- - - - • -
ltiknilmitly of all patties ; and I believe the country will at whatever resi
Lever have a chance of getting good nietteures until we of amicable rale
totally fling rode the old dietioctioas of parties, and decide -whose amity
on measures aeconling to the:it merits. lam quite sure that world-whose di,
the great measures with which I have beet. connected-1 place without thi
I allude particularly to that of free trade-would never kind. (Loud e'
have been paesetl had we not commenced its advocacy by I happened in di
reselving to regard whigs and halm; as identically I repel succesisioi
-the rams ; and 1 bee to say that I than se regard the in in all the uncettainte
future questions ill which I may take a part. (Hear, how.) to tette precaut
Thin Alien Bill has been so exeausted by preceding speakers sincerely trusts
that I need net dwell upan it. One view, however, hes not those who wish
been taken. The fact that gas
verninere are passing ale n party, and to ;
bilis and bill. fur OW protectien ef the crown and government some &Cara .1.
is ro MO • proof that they are taking the wrong direction open
some 'loin
altogetht r- that they arc Illor adepting that which ie the li.et trust that those t
course fur strengthening and preeerving our institutions. in France, it
(Heer, beer.) They teem to me not to have Profited by the mid that we
example set All the tontinent, where rspressiop Aud coercion weich might is
'have tailed iit the purposes to which they have been appLed, emissaries amongst
and governmeuts have fallen because they have not taken iu the presentier
star
the uppoeite cause of coneßiatMa and coneemiou. (lieu, cautions W'
'hear.) Still we see our government following the old course, hear.), lam
resoring to coercion and repTeM:6ll,toalienbills andtoctown the gresteet eat
and gevernment atcurity bias; tut We have hathno measure will concur in
r+ p• ended to the Louse tend the country which is cairno longer 12.0eCrat
.dat"-il'Ullo iner.use the aeachMent of the people to theinititu- non ; that out
etiens of the country. (Hear, hear." I venture to say that ration of nit
ehe country is' looking mist nnxicusly at the present time, (Hear, hear.)
\• neTfosr coercion bills,' not ler gaeging bills,' new Tor bills to further mesa'
1 peotect the p..ople of this eigitatry ;Ighart aliens; bett. they - eoveininene,
• are waiting to hem' from theAcatnraint the ardiouncement hive 0 ht
t•eremetlial 01CaAlarr. (Wear; 'Turk.) They cepect to hear the serge tilde,
that theeovernment are prepered to put eur Tepees, fleetest 'The businessef
system usore in harmony- entheligisepiritof the age. (Cheers:)• mete -of .the
The people of this country tire net' prepared to sec all the hairy; nd
werLi. in motion while they are standing . etilt-still hen, bring fore
• making a nee
ale
niovemeht. • (Cheers The country do •it. I,_
:,alto looking for
retreheliMeot alig CCOCOMY ; Slid 1 YAW deice. (Cheers.
thisto-sey that if you wish to maintain the monareby of dittery laws ,
this ceuntry agairist republicert• innevitiees you will do 'of the peace
sore to ac
coMplish that (Meek by cattiog away some of member for 0
itatharberousspleuslour,whichs to other times, which course whist
i .a. coat to the country, . an,ran 4l•l4llkliSettlellt to the order to cur
saisteerAcy, you will domore to reeoncile Oa:, poople of this With regr
cedary to monarthiaal lidititations, by removing some of alliaed we

are brought brought forward by the hon. member for Montrose (Mr.
Hume), and other members of this house.
of For
th ray ownple
part, I cannot believe that this representation eo
in this country is in such a state as the hon. member for the
west riding seems to imagine it to be. My belief is that the
votes of this house, since it met in November last—putting
out of sight the question whether it is properly formed,
whether there ought to be such a number of small
boroughs returning membera, whether the repreeentatives
have been elected in the best m 1 leaving all these
questioas to be debated on a future day, I say I believe that
the votes of this house--of the majority of this home—leave
neither been owing to any peculiar state of parties, nor have
they unfaithfully represented the opinion lif the majolrity
nk of
the people of this military. (Applause.) Nor do thi
that they look to the r“luction, to the taking away of what
the hon. gentleman (Mr. Cobden) calls " the barburoue
pomp of the crown, belonging to past timea," to iliminishine
the app. redeures el royalty ; I. do not believe that this is the
way in which the govern mentor this house would conciliate
toe general !vellums of the people, of this co
untry.untry (
are
Bear,
hear.) I myself believe that the people of
thoroughly and strongly attached to the 0
th of thin
country (Gear, hear.) Ido not know t there ever
was a time when I perceived such strong evidence of
attachment to the, throne of this country. (Cheerea I
know that he conduct of the illustrioue person who
iest that throne, that the example given by the
UMW occup
sovereign of this country in every relation of domestic life, I
and in the discharge of those more important and solemn I
duties which attach to her august position, i. ouch as every
one of right principle must approve— (chem.) ; and I lie- ,
ought ton
that conduct meets with the re ward which it
ought to have in the affections of the people. (Loud cheers.,
l do not believe that that which is necessary fur the mainte-
nance of the royal Mike, which I admit is quiie unneeeseary
for the comfort or the happiness of the suvereign hereelf, but
tat which is neer-shar tor the due maintenance end dignity
~f the royal office, is pat a I losgrudged by the people of this
country. (Cheers ) I believe that they wish these institu-
tions to be maintained. 1
do mit
think that any changes
which we might propose which would Alike or impair thi 1
institutions of this country would meet with the approba-
tion of the people. (Ilear, hear.) I believe that we should be
acting in a intoner contrary to their wishes it we were
to embark M a sea of speculation, setting everything alioat,
and making it doubtful what OUT future constitution was to
Ise ( Ilear, hear.) I believe, whatever may have been the
necessity for the violent changes that have taken place in
foreign countries, that oil chums in this country, from the
highest to toe lowest see the advantage ut a system of well-
regulated liberty, and are convinced that order and peace
tend to th welfare of the wking these% as well re to the
advantagee of all other cheeses of
this country. (Loud cheers.)
1 am imminceil that the example of the blessings of peace
and order is not lost uoun the people of this country. ( Hear,
hear.) They have too much good e, aloe, too much retlec-
lien, to believe in many of the idle stories that are put shout.
( Ileac ) Whatever proper retrenchments we can make, let
us make tera--(har, hear) ;—ey are due to the state of
our finances ; theye are due to the state of suffering in which
many of our people arc placed. ( Item, hear.) Let every
kind of economy that CUR lie safely prat ieed he practised.
(hear, bear.) Let every amendment of taxation that can
Ise well carried into effect lie carried into effect.
( near,
hear.) But let us not imagine that by shaking any of the
meat pillars of the state, or disturbing the basis up in which
the enieditution of this country re as, that we shall either be
doing good to the country, or that we shall even gain the
immediate and silo purpose of getting • little popular ale
plat
at the expense of all that is valuable! and erideared to
the nation. ( Cheer.. )
Mr. BRIGHT raid it was a mere assumption to say that
the Arms 1101 had been operative in putties; down crime in
Ire-laud; the special commission was infinitely more in-
strumental for that purp ISe. ( Hear, hear.) As to the
Crown and Government Security Bill, the noble
lord
of
chuckled mire than he had any right to do. Bad any
these measures succeeded in arresting the 'reread of the re-
peal feeling in Ireland i Far from it.
the Elegistlaven he protestant'
were now protesting against tive Zunion.
Ile was in favour of this union, but thought it
(MUM only be based on the will and acquiereenee
of the people in both countries. ( Hear, hear.) But why
should England have had this more strenuous measure ap-
plied to it, if it was only needed in Ireland ? (Bear,
hear.)
%Vide regard to the Alien )list be had not hoard a single
argument in its favour. All they heard in the shape of an
argument was that they must hem ionfidence in her
Majesty's government But that argument would not justify
them is ri oising a measure which would take away the
liberty of the people of this country as well as that of
foreigners. (hear, hear.) lied this measure been proposed
by the right hon. baronet the nu mher for Ternworth, when
he was in office, the noble lard, if he (Mr. Bright) was not
mistaken, would have deliveted one of his most elaborate
and able speeches in defence of the constitution and rights
of the people. (hear.) People were alarmed because there
WAS more than a common quantity of beard and mustachios
seen in the streets ; and it was said that a certain in-
dividual, now in this country, Ixcause other foreign
countries were too hot to hold him, had declared there
were a number of persons in this country with whom
his duties to Paris made him acquainkd. ile was not
certain that they were not more likely to get into diffi-
culties in consequence of the r• sidence of certsia illustrious
individuate among them than from that of persons who
merely held republican opinions. London was the I- at
likely city in the world to be sought for by persons who might
wish to raise insurrection or to engage in the practical lii
sines of plunder. No illusion wen more complete and child-
ish than to 'oppose that a bill of this nature was Mee:-
airy for the +security and peace- of this realm. (heart, hear.)
There were two things, however, which it was likely to do.
Oar was that it would create amongst foreigner, emote faint
belief than he lynched should prevail of the security and 'to-
tality of the country—(scar, hear) ; and the other, that it
would create in the minds of the people of this country
a belief in the pusillanimity and ignorance country
at the headaffairs, who ought
outo be best
(acquainted with them, and who ought to he crageoua in
all their public conduct. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord
seemed to pluck up spirit since the battle of Limerick. The
10th of April was a great day, but the day of the battle of
Limerick was a greater. The noble lord was right in say-
ing that the people of this country did not wish to destine
the institutions of the country, en far as experience proved
them to be good. The people of this country did not com-
plain of the crown, or ut any expense that was necessary for
the maintenance nut only of its comfort but of its honour and
dignity. Hear.) What they complaintd of WSs this, that
the crown coatributed in • great degree, in handing over the
taxes drawn from the people, to aveist the hangera WI of the
crown. relief hail not the figure s before him then, but he
would ask the noble lord whether he thought it necessary,
for the honour of the crown or the dignity of the empire,
that there should be connected with the court such este-
bliehments as that of the mastership of the buckhounds,which
cost this country more than the preeident of the United I,
State. cost that country—Gout' cries of " hear, hear")--and I
that of the hereditary grand falconer ? Would the people of 1
this country teat content with such toeless appendages I
while e Chancellor of the Exchequer could not get on wi
one bud in a session ? (llear, hear.) Would (their main-th
teivince tend to the better Keu rity of the crown an
The d t
ap isle
the !
greater strength and compactness of the empire i
lord spok.e of the majority in that house art ,
representing the people. Perhaps they did ; but if
they did, they were not the people whom he
1,
was in the habit of coining in contact with. (Ironical i
ceers.) The iht hon. baronet the member for Tamworth
lead a majorityr ogf el or BM in 1546 ; but he well knew that
on many occasions when the-re existed a majority in favour
of the government, it was in a decided minority rumen et the
people. (Ilear, hear.) And the noble lord would find, if
tie continued to pursue his present course of policy, that his
government wool I die of majorities. (near, he..r.) 'lite
noble Mel ea.emed to have no vision but one that was
bounded by the two lobbies of that house. All his infor-
mation was derived from Mr. 'rufnell anti Lorel M. Hill.
(Laughter.) lie was aorry to see the noble lord adapt his
present course, and to find him in strict alliance with a party
that had always opposed him heretofore. lie did not be-
lieve that party were changed, for the leopard could nut
change his skin ; but the noble lord had changed. °lcor,
heart lie believed that such an alliarice would extreme
from him the affections and confidence of the eciple, and,
before lung, end in the downfall—the unpitivel elowie
a government which he had wished might last for yearafall—asf
Sir J. WALSH said that of all the novel theories which
hail been piopounded of late, the most strange was that of
the hon. member who had just sat down, who attributeg..d the
lie
dreadful outrages in Ireland to spLan:io
atti'iuteil the change which hataen lace in Ireland to
the measures which had been Basset p by the government.
The lienelicial results had f -flowed from the late bill,
puttingn:lost down the mischievous agitation in that country. in
It
-- notorious that there were persons in Feria whove WA-
-•' -nd that re ly of th, m hat!

cease.
After a desultory conversation,
Mr. 13RlOIIT said that he thought the tone and conduct '
of the noble lord (Morpeth) ought to satisfy the house that
he had no wish to force upon it any objectionable choke.
It ha had no doubt of the noble lord's wish
in that respect, but hoped that as much power as possible
would he left in the hands of the local boards.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained leave
to sit again this day.
Lord J. RUSSELL said (in reply to Lord Lincoln) that
there would be no committee of supply until this day
se'nnight.
BOROUGH ELECTIONS BILL.
Sir J. BAN M ER withdrew this bill, and moved fur leave
to bring in anather bill on the same subject.
Mr. HUDSON objected to the introduction of the new bill
without some explanation as to the .itterenco in its provi-
sions from the bill which had been withdrawn. Ile RISA sur-
prised the hon. member for Saltord (Mr. Brotherton) did not
at this hour move as usual the udj imminent of e house, as
- -* measurethof such int-

mas far as their Mr. BROTHEILTON, adverting to them ,er,,,te,:ner:diti,bee. 7
expedient
to
give
their
.equioce.c.
to
the,
general effect was concerned. (Hear.) Being most desirous the introduction of the New Boriote EleCti,,Cli II Cut
to effect Wine practical legislation on this subject, he was a that as his name had been frequently'
hundred-fold more plemed at accomplishing this object than hon. member (
becauseer, he (Mr. Breir,tooby fits
if, by • positive adherence to the bill as onginally proposed, consplain,that the hon. member did not c ' ett
it was likely to be detested. (Hear, hear ) The alterations in his place when the discussion toek piece early i thy '"`
he promised to make in the bill were them, that when one- log on the Horsham writ, and when it was arran 'lid tlia"".th,
tenth (nut 50 as it stood in the bill) of the rated inhahitants first Boroneh Elections Bill should he withdrawng od it
of auy corporate city, town, or place, with ascertained bill substituted, be should come down at that hour-4.1
and definite boundaries made application, inquiry should attempt tu re.open • deiuste whieh had heen derma' —
then take piece in the manner prescribed by the Ile (Mr. Brotherton) should strongly &drew the lin.— or,
bill ; that, if in the course of that inquiry it was to juin u temperance society. (Laughter, and cries
found expedient to add any new districts to the town or "order.") At all evente, when the Qualification ni ef "'
place, inquiry should take place in the name way ; that when hers Bill came under coneidersition, he (Mr. lirothahmoit
forceall net proposed to include any new districts or to inter- should move that one of the qualifievions required sell id
with any local act now existieg, the general board might be, that the member was also a member of a tempertse.
proceed as in the bill to submit a report which might be club
applied to the district by order in council; but that when Mr. HUDSON rose, and with great warmth said the ilk
new districts were included, or local acts interfered with, the potation thrown out by the hen member fee Salfurd wee'
gneont ewe a li i b,, oard
applied were
t. in
th
oth,ai
itsterai
cset
till
if rtiase,
~anept
ir,o„: tifoanna I
acogrtrdetarit most
e°,t:
o mgr anp:t u:iathdoiuct.ho, -
,ohi
anuyet b
eit returnedineednivimd uo coziltil
dyw.,ciet.h
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tx....
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, , such
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ettt 0
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infl
hs.btehg:e.shninh:p:
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unprecedented.
er
at: md:Tentcahthhoemea
ibb:hymiw,
ne,h.the,:..it
t.ehelimea rirat
member,
member,
hwe:,:i.ll . ji;
eri:rpelianm.e,nhtuett
alspOulbltlflicinaldt.;
in:hiteraenwacetre
was required fur private bills, which weuld occasion
onfthpearrlaialmtereantti
venhe....Me...
reapeCt to officers, hut those he mentioned were the main quite ready and preper..cl to meet the hon. member On in
alterations in the hill.
Mr. HENLEY thanked the noble lord for accepting the to whisper away • mao's character ; aud he epipaltoill
suggestions he had made.
After a few words from Mr. T. lioettroo and the ATTOU- sued by tie hon. member fur Sallurd was not es ucoucalinife;
NVY-CIENKKAL,
Cul. SIBTHORP moved that the chairman report seemed to be as careless of character es be was ot peel .ai
progress, and ask
leave to sit again. Would it le: right, however, in him (Mr. Hudson) to au% •
The ATTORNEY-6ENERAL hoped the hon. and the hon. member withbeing a perfect drunkard teo,ai
gallant gentleman would not persevere in this amendment. it—
Mr. NIUNTZ asked whether the rate-payers were to have An Ilii,i. MEMBER here interrupted the wee by 6
the power of electing the local hoards ? serving that there were not 40 members in the house,
Lord MORPETH replied most certainly. The house was accordingly counted, and only 23 realm
Mr. HUDSON wished to have the Mil reprinted with being ostcrtototd to be present it was
.d.
the amendments proposed or adopted by government, so that
the house and the country might know how the matter now o'clock until this day.
stood.
Viscount MORPETH said he had endeavoured to explain
the bill in its new form.
Lead O. IiEN'fINCK supported the propneition for
having the bill reprinted, before the hew..., proceeded to dis-
cuess.iit. I
sn I
it sn nt remodelledp ia
...lit: ne ..
upon his amendment.
Mr. SLANEY said that if the workirg e laves knew the
manner in which a measure so vital to their interests
diminish was
thus impeded in the house, it would tend much to
tlii ir reeisect for the house.
Lord (1. lIENTINCK would, at all event', call upon the
noble lord at the head of the government to state, simply and
ir
clearly, how the bill now stood.
It. INCILIS called upon the house to proceed with
the bill.
lead J. RUSSELL sail they only asked the committee
to go on with the bill. The new clstiwis would be printed
for the consideration of the house. I Lord G. lientinek :
Explain them.) He thought it would he quite wrong to
enter into explanations, and thereby serve those who were
des:rims to create delay.
Lord O. BENTINCE. denied that he wanted to create
desay. The noble lord did nut appear to understand his own
hill. There were in it 141 clauses, and they now only re-
quired explanation of one of them, and even that they could
not obtain. Was there anything unreaeonable is asking for
a delay until the explanation waxgiven
Sir E. N. BUXTON was sure the noble lord would be
acting up to the feeling of the house if he proceeded with-
out delay.
The CHAIRMAN then put the 2nd clause. Some con-
versation eneurd upon mints of detail, after which the clause
was agreed to.
Clause a," Act to be applied, &c., by orders in council,"
was struck out of the bill.
Clause 4 being proposed,
Lied MOItI'ETII moved that in lieu of the proposed
board of commiseionen the President of the Board of Trade
and two other., at her Majesty's pleasure, be nominated to
be commissioners under the bill.
The Earl of LINCOLN suggestedthat the fourth and fifth
clauses should be postponed.
Lord MoltPleT II looked upon these clauses as integral
portions of the bill, and did not see how it was possible to
postpone them.
Toe Earl of LINCOLN said that he and other hon. mem-
bers were of opinion that the clauses in questioa were objec-
tionable, and he, in particular, eine cted to the appointment i
of an independent and new board. Ile should therefore
move that clause 1 be poatp ined, and if this was opposed by
the noble lord he would diside the committee on his motion.
Sir It. INO LIS, in referecco to some observations which
had fallen from Mr. Hudson on the: question of postponing
the 4th clause, said—No one, sir, can pay more respect to the
aristocracy of birth, the aristocracy of talent, or the aris-
tocracy of character thin I do ; but 1 hope I shall never payy
any respect to the aristocracy of weas
Jrsoo times as rich
lth ; and liecaure ao
member of this house may. be 50 time
to I may be—
Mr. HUDSON (interrupting)—
I never said anything
about that.
Sir It, INGLIS-1 will never on that account allow
him undisputed by me to assume to have 50 or 500
times the influence. (1...ud cheers.) I never willingly
offended any man (hear, hear) ; but 1 must be al
lowed to remind the bun. member for Sunderland that he
shall not
shall take hi te te man who shall instruc I
shallt
be. me
lsileot or as to what
when I 1 I
the man who shall initruct me as to what part 1 I
shall t*kc iii thou house, when '
shall speak. (Much cheering.) I have eritfeavoured to call',
the attention of the house to the duty of passing some mea-
yt—that 1
squirtee
mot
ofsa odietlaz ruefoirmt
ap,
paenadredl
tioir imitee,steind
juarigoluinsi.t dveolin
reason I rose an hour ago, and should not have taken another
opportunity of addressing the hues ~ but for that which I
munsider the unrovoked aack ade nme by
thest
hon.co member for Sunderl Indtt. t Hear, hs.ar.) lam
actuated by no ill-will to that hon. memb.r. I o- I
vele° this diecussion, but 1 am ready to meetdid hisnot attacprk. i
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. HUDSON, who rose amidst erica of spoke, said-1
have every respect for the hon. member for Oxford, but I
did not think it fair, when my Roble friend behind
nits
asked
a question of the noble lord opposite, that the hon. member
should get up and attack me. (•' No," and " question.") I
do not know what the hon. member means by talking about
money. (" Oh, oh.") I beg to say—LThe hon. member at-
tempted to proceed, but in vain, iu consequence of the in-
terruptions by which he was met—but concluded by apolo-
gising to the house for any warmth he haul been betrayed
into.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—If the noble lord thought it better
that the clause should be postponed he had no objection, it
being, however, understood how they were to proceed after-
wards. Without a central authority he did not think they
((add proceed with the bill—(hear, hear)—and hc hoped.
the noble lord would not object to go on with clause 6,
the understauding that the Secretary oh State, or some otherea I
authority, should he made the centre of authority afterwards.ll
Mr. Isen:W DEG ATE thought time would be saved by re-
printio.c the bill before going further with it.
Mr. STUART could see no reason for postponing these
clauses if the principle was not to be altered.
Lord LINCOLN thought it better to poetpone all the
clauses relating to the central board—that would be up to
clause 11
After some conversation,
Cul. SIBTHORP moved that the chairman report pro-
geese, and expressed his determination to divide the com-
mittee upon it.
Lord J. RUSSELL consented to th e adj
orrowournment of the
committee, proposing to commence to m (this day)
with clause 6.
Mr. SPOONER (having been informed by the Attorney-
General that the board war to be permanciet) declared that
to that he had a decided objection. He conceived that it+
poers shauld e onfined to the formation of and
that when thosebc districts were firmed its power( [
should

ELECTION CONINIYITEE.
LONGTolll).—'fhts committee re-ameembled ye*.
day; the whole of the day, up to the period of adjournment,
being oecupit d with the argument% of (Amami as 0) da
power ofd e committee to rt.-open the regitte-.
. _

Vitt Wino%

MAILS,

Nolll 'V. -Malta will be made up for Madeira, Rinllnritn, temp
Ayre', and Valparaiao, to be conveyed by ll.hl. Wearier Gomm. t„;
it.ttCrK 1411.1 new .pule rri nowt be cpreially arldrec‘ed, oBF Ky.
atearner Gorgon." The Gordon t exported to aai from Devinpr,
on the rth inctant.
The mail% for Britich North America, and the Coiled Stgc,
will he muck up so the evening of the 12th 1114,
The Wcet India Malls excluding frenntara, Na,v,,,,, yh,
llondurar, New Orleans, Vera Crux, Tampico, hurl Porto Rim, aai
inclinling ihiror for Madeira, Jacruel, Carthage., hint& Marla,
Chaves Panma, Mery Guard of south Alliell., awl ',t. Ja.„l,,
Nicaragua, will be made up on the morning of the 12th May.
The non,
for Vigo, (vino, Lisbon, Madeira, thdir, ad Gite.tat
will be made up on the morning of the II tl, Mar.
The overland mails for Gibraltar, Malta, Greree, the Irmialtlrluidt,
latypt, Aden, (X)Ion, India, Hong-hong, and China, na Soutlamp.
ton, will be mule up Ott the mornmg of the 20'.... May.
The overlaid chord moils yin Marmeillea, t.l the meoit,,,
Egypt, Aden, leylog, India, Hong-Lung, wc., will be law* up ea ga
evening of the 24th May.
Ihe mails for New South Wales Tan Ihernalibi Land, gal Nu
Zealand will be mule up on the evening of the 31st M y.
The mad,. fur the %) vet C.avist of Alma and Mfalreir" will be oil
up on the evening of the 3lst )toy.
The mail- for hie tswils thu Kier Plitt, Monte Vile°, bras
bum liAlliA, im,
Madr and 11tienon Ape', will te mule up pp pap
eTtillUg of the Srd June.

NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS.
The number of STAMPS issued by the- authuaties etas
Stamp-office, during lbl7, to the
DAILY NEWS wa5.......... 3,447,009
This, we believe, is within eight per cent of the nacho
issued to the Morning Herald, Morning Monkle, sad
Morning Post, ALL TUT TOOETHER.
In addition to the above. issued to the DAILY NEWS,
Morons:, Paper, there were issued for the tereeihy Eden"
THE EXPRESS 778,714
Which was more, we believe, than wore issued eitkern
the Clots or &Godard, Eveeing Papers.

AlOll WATLIt AT LONDON MUGE.
Tam Do—liornivy min. rut y &femme., 9 .1.40 M
To..sagow—llocusg. 41 4114. 11414 1.11 MM.= .17 mia.pri

LONDON, FRIDAY, MAY 12.
WE are no partisans of a republic or of univerri.
suffrage, and are of opinion that a graduated state d
society is the most natural, and consequently the
moat durable and fair, provided we allow nature to
operate freely in forming these gradations, and
procuring for birth, wealth, and talent,
to th
them. e authorit!,
Influence, and respect, justly accruing Be
we must not run away wtth the idea,that a republic=
state is necessarily one of anarchy, of disregard of sr.
eminence, and hostility to all property.
Neither is it fair to look upon the French it
public, and the assembly which represents it, as a
fair and normal specimen of what a republic via
be even in France. Were the French people md
tee
on to-morrow to choose, by universal suge,
members for another' national assembly, being a:
the same time perfectly assured that there could best
monarchic reaction, but that a republican govemmee
was assured and certain—were this the general feel•
lug, we are confident that the elections would ban
for their result an infinitely more moderate assemble,
and one in which the representatives chosen from ate
working class would be in very trifling number. The
people of Marseilles, in the late election, preferred
a street-porter to M. TIMERS.Why ? Became ths
first assembly was to establish a republican counts-
Lion ; and they returned a representative ad hoc. Its
operatives of other towns have done the same. Be
were the republic assured, and were the peJple relet
upon to return representatives for the more dorms
eedamtask of general legislation, of arrangin the n
g
carrying on the domestic administration,and dire
the foreign policy of the country, the Frach open.
tires themselves would not entrust that task to meet•

porters.
In addition to its composition. the nature of its dada.
and the interests at stake, cannot but give an anim
tion and even a turbulence to the sittings of the Se
tional Assembly, which may startle the timid. Bt
even our House of Commons on the eve of sta
which decides the fate of ministers, and which tars•
fere power from one section of the house to
ea
sloths
is often the scene of passionate words, awl
et
feelings. What would it be, was it tot merely
Material influence, but the sovertiguty of the coat!
itself which members were called upon to fit ad
dispose of ? In such a task, and at such a women
even Saxons could not preserve their hereditallatr,
fruit!, and it is to bo doubted, if the representatives*
ten-pounders would be less agitated
re
than the no
hundred boiling units of the French public%
chamber.
The essential point is, however, not the manner,
the matter, of political decision ; and this sown,
wise as could be devised. As yet the governments
the country must be entrusted to men bans
the confia, nice of the two parties who ekes
the late dynasty--the citizens and the stoti•
classes. The Provisional Government wm
on this basis, and the interim gov,rnment
elected stands upon the same. The leading namer-P,
LAMAILT s and LEURC-ItOLLIN —llUftiLieittly bttrii
it- Nor could the other three be better tilled qtl6
by the names of MAUI F., An %Go, and G taaYt
The absence of NIARRIOT may be regretted, bat,
Mayor of Paris, he at present fills suffic,ently
portant functions. It must be an object, too, m:
withdraw too many debaters and infiaentisllo,-
the moderate republican party from the
th aeYonat.4
, - o

•
e
d
e
t
tatnec
cd
ountry
ultcrara-democrats
declamation,teieta
.tii
10_ c
od,eytfAet array
myafiTdoctifeerastosr C Otr
etstqi ministers,
lt Vt net;
np
oliC;101 lansi
f
j
confound, and baffle t
sense, temper, and nu
The closeness of th
the proposition of M.
rates are in no such s
rity, and that their cc
cumspection. There a
timists in the assemb
cotes in such a way I
fusion, and bring the
a &grant qtvid dam,
dangerous clement of
that has made a mum
But the character
remain ambiguous ;
of both republiesut
have the ttfixt of wa
against the common
We are glad to
ideas so much at
is eclipsed—his thre
him. The chief de
The Austrians seer
on the re-conquer
land, it is to
in this aggressive
marching to reds
line of the Adige, b
trian force is threat
trality of Switzerl
order to menace
the Austrians elect
threaten Milan, it
French minister coi
and vote of the Nat
to the liberation of

THE miscellaneo
ginning to ooze ou'
made their appear'
be required under
The expenditure a
1845 was 85,454/.
it WU 93,115/. 'I
tore of 1848 will I
The items of
head are the anal
petty in itself to
plicati verifies t
little makes a mic
defies criticism, c
street, who arem
In short, this is
which a satisfs
hoped tor. Ile
renris( for I 17 th
The civil list is
included among
sum of 2.4;:1t. fo
the household,
These expenses r
adding to the
hospitality by tl
lain ha, dray
" furniture ha
collars, badges,
orders," and ev
the Life Guard
Master of the HI
fuge of the desti
Luses of the )i
EININGE?i, and
visits to this col
Under the he
conveying per*
sum of 7,594/.
to, or comitn
being passed,
settlement, frog
are also a num%
ferior colonial
cite a ish tha
annual colonial
present it is. in
of the colonic s
through half-a
cost of the Cole
and in a third
we turn to th
colonial expe*
the colonies 1
country. The
successfully c
various accout
sire of concea
ness-like prac
The chinch
contributes is
up additional
corners. Ac
the transport.
New South
Good Hope,
among the
gencies. In
1,200/. "die
epiecopalian
asssistance ;"
J ERUSALEM
"tor the et
and hie chat
One set o
a system of
letters pater
for various
these jobs
the diocese •
dioceses."
the colony
the " revol
their pocke
contrived t•
981. by one
Commies
the amount
one half c
to gain tint
reforms.
the deficie
the Towel
9591. to
short-hand
and 71. 16
the conve:,
outbreaks
gether th
wish thee
ciently a•
light upon

parch

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tr. 0.0fDuleuresk.)l
aware the hw
$' AIMS who wen
there treated in
o -.. Nothing Wind i
state of things il
SA D. DUNI
:LA praise lion°
After a few s
read a second ti
... committee.
lii
14
bin G. GRE
0,1 Aliens Bill.
. . .
'Piss Rail of
v., the house au
.......in„nishea 1

o honourable to ni
ti minister—language which showed that he really Mai at nesrc, -
II at whatever risk it might hew himself, the maintenance Was notOrlOns enin. ..... :-.._ .
ness was to get up revolun?os, and that many of th, ra nau
re of amicable relations betweeu these two countries—(ctieurs) come mar to this country.
.1 he hon. getdleman had taunted at thin sour 050..........-_. _. _
le —whose amity and friendship are of such benefit to Vie the noble lord
_woutlid Tg
.thetesupport of his side of the it was too late to iutruduce a new measure Os sue...-
it world—whose discord and whose quarrels can never take the moderate repuonos.. ~...,...;
I. place without the ;yeah:Ft calamities to Europe send man- 11."):(leo T.". qen e rceollec
101 thet circumstances ex-
ist which induced peens on th mules 01 the house.to Sir G. GREY observed that the hon. member for Sunder- for there is little doubt that, to imitation of tberi-;-
er kind. (Loud cheers.) I think, howee, utter what has land (Mr. 'Hudson) was not in his place in the early part of Narvac
u itn in protecting the institutions o the countri to which
Loy happened in different countrioa of the contnt, atter the ftt. ~1 - h . o the evening when it was anangcd that the tonner bill should I better itch(
h•piopc of t e country were unalterably attaclord. be f the government and the mix,
mum rs o
.ly rapid successiou of revolutions which
.we hart even, and with , be withdrawn aud a new hilt iatroduced. lied the hon. I ge"e`o prints of
fhe t ouse elivisied.—For the third reading .. 116 deba'e
all fit,: uncortainty.that at privet.t prevetla, it is ht—it is Wiee • • ,)„ regulatio-.3 of the convention and the Americoft
,„ member been proant, he (Sir G. Grey) was sure he would Will be excluded from the .• . .....e.,... decree ere
Against it
r.) to take precautaon.s against occurrences that ma) happen. I "—lf' not noW interfere, as it was desirable the new bill should be It is a token at once of LAMAUTINE , MVP: sterling.
The bill then named.
en sincerely trust they may not happen. I sincerely trust that read a second time on Thursday next. and 20 the
tot those who wish to destroy all order, to put an end
to all pro- rUBLIC lIBALTII BILL. After some further di•eutision leave was given to bring in UN as his colleague. lt is an essential pg.- cent. per a
,I n party, and to ground the fature condition of the world upon On the motion for going into committee upon thieloill, the bill, and it wa.s nem rdi. gly brought up. On the motion .. • . low the elliv: I, I une 1
ant some dream Pf Phihoithrollo Perhaps ; but more likely Col. SI BILLOW? said he hoped the hill would be re. that it be a read a tird time,
I printed, in consequence of the extensive alteration which he Mr. HUDSON again objected, and called upon the hon. the policy en tne mouerates not to al ~ ,
cod feeling, his insisting on preserving Ws.,
will be re
ion upon some political plan a plonder—(Louil cheers)—lieu of the
,st trust that those persons may never be aide to stocceed either understood ass made in it. member for Salford to discharge his duty by moving the ad. pretext or banner that could enlist or Talc:: tional
is
▪ in in France, in Germany, or th - ally other r country, Mr. J. STUART, in reference to what had fallen from journment of the house. (Cries of " oh, oh.") lie (Mr. operative clasees in their favour. To divide fil .
mocra.a a fair plea for insurrection, or inlise„;..
par, in u]
the and that we May not have to dread the evils him on a preview, occasion, begged to state that he was in Hudson) was not to be put down by .• oh, ohs." Those hot
ion which might result from the peeler" of these error in attributing the authorship of • pamphlet. from very important bill, and he required some explanation as to whatever
.ed, emissaries anmegat us. (Chen) Still, Ido think that, which he quoted to Mr. Chadwick. In anything he said on who were ti be the commiesioners uo.der it. Re looked uponme
isle should be the first cue of time entrustedelte',
Thil was • intentioned and hottest from the profesoional 5!.,",,,
value in i
Lena iu the present aate of EatoPe, it u seise to yoke some pre. that occasion he did not mean to speak disrespectfully of that this proceeding as a sort of juggle betwee.n the government govern.junta, col
ea, cautions egaiest the occurrence of such a thing. (Ileac, gentleman. and the hon.liaronct (Sir J. liautner) ; hut if the names of the the mmtstry is a guarantee to the yetio
61 irttio Or! . Property,
Lest., Lear.), lam suo I shPil he hfifik Peotihed—l shall feel Mr. FREWEN understood: that malignant fever existed right bon. baronet (Sir (leo. Grey; and the hon. andleerned
own the greatest satisfeeti"-randtagainst any. retrograde tendenci 'es of fir' rOn'''''
nt.. And the presence of Lemir-II010:t
the parte
}invent, doutitthewhololiouse in then eighbourhood of the house, and that Westminster the Solicitor General were put on the hack of the bill, it of LooL ever, pre
du lt•tulein(ll4. This wise adherence
sure will concur in thet .1.14.5. A. +., ca. "7 that it is no School was broken Up in consequence. This teem was at- would show that the government were responsible for the 600,000 i
bins lodge neaseisary to bring forearil mit measures of restric- tributed to the Dean of Westminster's conveying some cora- measure, and be shoot.). not object to. the fir.t reading. the bond
titu- tion ;feet our course fa the future will lie only the cooside- position into the sewer by way of imp
and prevent- Sir G. GREY surd that ehts was iropo,o
~
ole as the house a lees amount of votes than that given to.
... accordim
to I,EDRII-ROLLIN has nevertheless Oyes thg'r..
that rayon of nn..isures of relief, Molieures of ionprovemcoot. ing infection. (Laughter.) If sanitary improvement+, such had already ordered the bill to he brought in by the hon. other partes, This is meant as a eintnig w Is fixed t
tifne, (, heel%) 4,44. it i 4 not our duty to bring forward any cos were contemplated under this bill, were persevered in, the baronet (Str J. Itemiser) and two other hon. members, and etAILTINE. Mr. b
Ils to further measurt of. this kisid. ksivipleuse.) We feel, a' a doctors would soon make their fortunes, it had been so brought le. Ile would, however, state that Spanish
they goveininen4 Vet ft le hot on.drheAale "d P,iintul task AlAfter a few words from Sir C. Bu KRELL, the house went government would give ever 3• assistance to the passing oflately pi
ment hive to bring
or anii)a meloartris. . (Dear, hear.) At into committee. . . . the out. • • likely to be decreed a present in the way , • leads me
hear the name tide, ilisidiet* of the crash
is committed to tie. Lord monVETII mod that on a former occasion, tu re- After a further conversataon the bill was rem. a first tiole,patios can
, • be permanent. The country aeuts, towards
tative 'The businesais dminsitratioafroosettay to day, in the present ply to the hon. member fur Oxfordshire, he stated that be and ordered to be printed. elements of power and intellect, are 63. nloco the prea
siert:), ratite of •the fwdorl, is reke4 roppasible task ; (bear, was not prepared to assent to the euggestione proposed by TITHE RBN r CIIARDEE (IRELAND). and on foot to admit of their •
settling doyen "I it, such a
We must Om that we do not expect thaottaa26e.t%
11 the Leer) ; .and sa long es We elect it Tiecos.try to that hon. gentleman. Ile had since tavoured him with a Mr. G. A. IiAMILTON obtained leave to brine t hit
I less, bring lOTA-ire ••
max measures .fa • these we shall statement of tho alterations hew ished to make, send as he to alter and emend so much of the act I& 2 Vic „,e."-n,
56a -,-as Rum
sent do •it.. This .is Alm last .we *- flail have to intro- recognised on. all sides of the hse an unaffected sympathy relates to the mode of making tithe nut charge in Ireland Ilarnpal
it ' not possible. And however desirablean esKui"., .
I ven uce. (Cheep )To the °amen' operation of the or. witty the objects of the hill, d a wish to carry some liable to poor-rate poun age , anu also, tr. eurpow sr the doubt the r Chasno
oby of dinar): IaW,I! they now be Onnareitted the preservation practical measure into effect—(hear, hear)— as the his- ecclesiastical commironers in Irelmol to show poundage a fixed tenure of office may he, we do ~ eanz6
rill do Of the peace of the country. .(Ilear, heer.) The bon. provernents euggested by the hon. member would effect a deducted from ecclesiastical persona on lc mint of poor-rate ehjelir: be:rateg:lrllnieeg °llt eehansslnbeemr Ms: be d:!"... 0 .
r s 111%
and obeying any. perm:nt personal suothoirtiy., .
eiw.ed
so .
hoe of member for the west ritling of Yorleohire hes di
nt
to out the coesiderable improvement and advance on the present tittle among the deductions from the value two of ceehmastical sirits, to abdicate power for any lag' or - eerag,
Which course which he thinks the goveenieent (Ann to take in of the law, aud if not likely to he so immediately beneficial property directed to be made under t',o ad 3& 4 Will. IV.,
to the orUir to conciliate the affection tof the People Uithis country. es the measure, as propose," by the government, would Tetley c. 34, tor the purpose of a and
t' ...t thereby iraposad upon it wilt
let the more vtiVa and indocile Ito ce
of this With regard to some of -the Me
to which he has the foundation for luture improvement,her Majesty's govern- such property.in Ireland. . ... . ......,er the. take pl
Ome of tallied we •:".all here occasion tO apeek 'ehen rush nle.e.littS ra.n,, On !'tip considering the emcnatuctits, thought it On the motion that the hgtb'.. do now adjourn, difficulties and rtstvmobthues Of po
with good and peacertit effect. Ilvner, A 5 ?WI y.