The Express.
London, England, 1851-05-13 00:00:00

M lase seem* than under the ordinary and recognised law
of the church ? (Hear, hear.) The noble lord had
designated the proeteeding as an insult to the crown, and
an attack on the independence of the nation. He (Mr.
Bright) wished he could get rid of the silly and ground-1
less fears it entertained on these Runde. To talk of this :
nation, its crown end independence, being menaced by • I
petty Koenig° or prince at Blume, was really too ludicrous.
If the noble lord at the bead of the foreign department had
not concurred, he (Mr. Bright) would not be so much asto-
nished. Ile (Mr. Bright) presumed no such serious event could
take place without that noble lord being aware of it, or
without his concurrence or the concurrence of the country.
Why, if England had nut ceucurred in the invasion of
Rome by the kreuch, that temporal prince, the l'ope,
would be now no prince, there would be a republic
established at 'tome, and, perhaps, the religious es-
pamted from the civil power. for ever. (Hear,
hear.) The whole matter was one of idea, of sen-
timent, of that fine material, that it was impos-
sible fur an act of parliament to grapple with the ease
before them. (Hear, hear.) lie admitted the insult and
offensiveness of the language—it was repulsive to their
feelings that such language should be addressed. But ad-
mitting all that, he was at a loss to discover how legislation
could affect the question beneficially at all. (llear, hear.)
The noble hied (Lend J. huwell) had told them that this
bill would meet the emergency and no more. (Hear, hear.)
He thought the noble lord was wise and prudent in not
making it more stringent than it was. Of course the
noble lord consulted the leer officers of the crown. It was
well known that he consulted the bishops, and he doubted
not he consulted the noble earl who filled the office
of Lord Lieutenant in Ireland. The noble lord informed the
house that the bill would meet the emergency, and that he
had proposed nothing that was not required for the precise
evil complained of ; and yet, within a few day" subse-
quently, three-fourths of the bill were given up. (Opposi-
tion cheers.) After three months of di.cussion and consul-
tation with all these able and learned and pious men, with
whom the noble lord hail been consulting, he admitted that
he knew not the nature of his own bill: and upon the
occasion of the second reading, coneequently withdrew
three fourths of it. (Cheers.) He (Mr. Bright) was then
arguing that the noble lord did nut know where
he was hit, or the remedy for the wound of
which he complained; and the fact of the withdrawal of
three-fourths 14 the measure supported his (Mr. Bright's) '
argument. (Hear, hear.) The noble lore' had retained the
clause forbidding the assumption of titles. Well, assuming
title. would he illegal by the Ind, and what was to be the
result ? At present the assumption was not legal, and titles
assumed by Roman catholic ecclesiastics were looked upon
an mere !flattened courtesy, which gave no status, or rank,
or precedence over any other eubject of the realm. But
in any ease the Roman catholics would voluntarily
submit to the revesruition of these dignities —no
matter whether bishop., cardinals, or archlsieliesps. (Ikar,
Mar.) But was there no effect produced by the bill ?
Alrewly the noble lord had thrown over the protestant feel-
ing of the country, the sentimentseof the Cummings, the
)I.Seile, and the Stowell'. It was not a question of pro-
teetanti.m at present ; it was a question of polities. (Hear,
hear.) 114. begged to ask the noble lord then, as a ques-
tion of politics, who was injured by the bill ? The noble
lord did not touch the Pope. He (Mr. Bright) believed
the l'ope acted very foolishly, and that Cardinal Wiseman
also acted fiesliehly; but both would go unscathed. (Hear,
hear.) The true sufferers would be the wearer of the
crown, and the millions of subjects professing the Roman
catholic religion. They hail been informed not long
since that at the Illsureo synod, half the prelates as-
sembled were in favour of the colleges, and the other half
against thole Ile doubted not if a emend synod took
place the • would be a unanimous feeling against them.
(Hear, hear.) The noble hint heretofore had a party
=owed the ecclesiastics of the church of' Mime ; but he
heal distroyed that party by his policy, and rendered them
unanimous against the protestant government of that
coontre. (Hear, hear.) Was it as a matter of gratis
fiiatiMi to th, ministers of the establiebed church that
the noble lord introduced the measure, a matter of strife be
twin the bishop of St. James's-Nu:ire and the bishop of
Golden-square? Waa one to be suppressed for the satis•
Lotion of the other') In such a can there would be no
great gain to the people, to political freedom, or to the
shristianity of this country in suppressing one ecclesiastic
and conferring dentinanoe and power can the other. (hear,
bear.Nda his aplll6oll the noble lord made a great mistake. In
tie bat pine he wrote a letter to the Bi•hop of Durham, and
than ',moulted with the Bishop of London. A more
mark man than the Bishop of London he could not have
selected. (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Look at his
character. Ile was an amphibious creature, reported by
use to be a Pueeyitc, whilst another said he was on the
high mud to Rome. (" Hear, bear," and a laugh.) He
(Mr. Bright) wee sorry to hear the amount of abuse that
was upon him: and yet the noble had " reoiced
that hr had the consent of that prelate." (Hear, hear.)
That rechoisetie, with 20,000 excellent consolations
(laughter)—shed tears in pretence of the deputation that
waited on him. (Laughter.) But duuldleas they resembled
the tear* died by the syrian monk, whodeelared, according
to the historian, that " tears were as natural to him as per-
spiration." (Laughter.) however, it would appear that
the said monk was lees wise than the Bishop of London in
another regard, for another historian related of him that be
feigned insanity in order to escape being made a bishop.
(Renewed laughter.) It WWI evident that the noble lord at
the head of her Majeoty's ministry was in a quagmire, and
he knew it well. (Laughter.) It would be far better for
the interest. of the crown, of the. kingdom, 'of that house,
and of cbrietianity, if the bill were withdrawn instead
of being proceeded wi h. (Hear, hear.) There was
no
one in favour of the bill beyond the noble
lord himself, es not one of his colleagues had really
in. 1.14, a good fight fur it. (Hear, helm) The government
supporters ilesagnall ; and even the law officers of the
crown gave different account' of the measure. If,
legislation were neeremry at all let it he substantial, and
to the purpose; if they were to obey the clamour out of
demos let them satisfy it by some substantial measure of
kited& • . The business. of parliament had been stopped
for half a ovine; and they were not at the end of it yet:
the speaker had not left the chair ; they were only on the
brink, and about to plunge in. An hon. gentleman had a
proposition to be supported by a large number, for a mea-
sure intissitely more stringent; and the noble lord would
not carry his own measure but by the support of those who
waisted one much more stringent. But those who wanted
persecution would rather take a little than be entirely
bellied. The noble lord would not withdraw the bill, be-
cause it would be humiliating to do so. But was it not very
humiliating to go on with it; to be legislating for no prac-
tical wed result ; to passe a measure which he knew would
not satiefy those to appeuse whole clamour it was proposed,
and must produce the wont effects between England and
Ireland? In lreee a measure was pawed—long delayed—
which protelmel to give Roman catholic' all the liberty we
ourselves enereed. lle would manfully stand upon that
act.

Mr. SCl'l.l.l' moved the adjournment of the debate, on
the ground of the Lateness of the hour, and because the
Attorney-General for Ireland and other hon. members had

not spoken.
The house thin divided:
For the adjournment of the debate 64
Against it
On the galleries being re-opened,
Mr. O'FLAHERTY was moving that the house do now
adjourn.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to deprecate the
course taken by the Irish members. (Loud chem.) After
they had been four nights discussing the introduction of
the bill, and seven nights more upon the second reading,
he thought they might now fairly go into committee. lle
did nut, however, wish to keep the house there all
night, sea be would therefore consent to the adjournment
of the subject until Thursday. (Cheers.)
THE INCOME TAX BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved
that the bill be read a third time.
Mr. COWAN bristly stated the nature of his motion for
substituting for the income tax an extension of the principle
of licensing to all trades and professions. At present only
eighteen trades were licensed, and they constituted only
about one eighth or one-ninth of the whole ; and yet they
produced 1,100,000/., or only 500,0001. less than the total
sum yielded by the income tax under schedule D."
The subject, however, was perhaps better fitted to be dire
cussed in the committee which had been obtained by the
bon. member for Montrose. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HERMES asked the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to postpone the third reading until the committee had
been nominated.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the uniler.tansling with the house was, that the tax should
be renewed fur one year, subject to the appointment of
committer ; and it was most desirable that the bill should
be at once passed. in order that arrangements fur its assess-
ment might he made. Some little difficulty had been ex-
perienced with respect to the appointment of the committee
consequence of some hon. members wheel assistance they
had hoped to have had, having declined to serve. He trusted,
however, to be able to lay the names before the house on
the day (Tuesday) or to-morrow,
In answer to Col. Btarguar, respecting the pay of
military and naval officers,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
all questions relating to trades and professions would be
referred to the committee referred to.
The bill was then read a third time, and peed.
OATH OF ABJURATION (JEWS) BILL.
Lord J. RUSSELL postponed the committee on this bill
until Monday.
INHABITED HOUSES BILL.
The second reading of this bill was postponed till
Thursday.
Si steal other motions were also formally adjourned.
APPRENTICES TO SEA SERVICE (IRELAND)
(No. 2) BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
BRIDGES (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill was also read a second time.
CONFERENCES WITH THE LORDS.
Their lordships' resolutions received the unanimous assent
of the house.
MEDICAL CHARITIES (IRELAND) BILL.
On going into committee on this bill,
Mr. REYNOLDS entered his protest against a continu-
ance in the practice of taking the discussion of Irish
pleasures late in the evening.
The bill then pawed through committee.
APPOINTMENTS TO OFFICES, etc., BILL. ,1
On going into committee on this bill,
Mr. MULLINGS requested that the government would 1
net press the committee at that hour.
Mr. C. LEWIS replied that no other day could be found
for the committee.
The bill then pained through committee.
ACTS OF PARLIAMENT ABBREVIATION ACT'
REPEAL BILL.
This bib was rends third time and pewit

WOODS AND FORESTS.
Lord SEYMOUR moved for leave to bring in a bill to
make better provision for the management of the woods,
forests, and land revenue. of the Crown, and for the direc-
tion of public works and buildings.
Lord DUNCAN asked whether any provision had been
made in the bill for carrying out the ',solution of the house
Oassed last session, that the revel:tutu of the woods and
be paid into the Exchequer.
Lord SEYMOUR was understood to reply in the
negative.
Lord DUNCAN then gave notice that he should call the
attenti n of the house to the subject during the progress of
the bill.

Leave was then given to bring in the bill.
THE PETITION OF THE REV. PIERCE
CONNELLY.
The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY moved, pursuant
to notice, that the order of the house (Bth May), that the
petition of the Rev. Pierce Connelly be printed for the use
of members only, be rend, for the purpose of being die-
'charged.
Mr. A. STAFFORD thought that this might not be
agreed to as a matter of course. The allegations of the
petition were so extraordinary, affected so many persons,
and, in reference to the circumstances of the day, were so
important, that there was some danger that the house in
agreeing to this motion *ould open up a long controversy
of personalities and recriminations. And, without
the noble earl to postpone the motion, he (Mr. Staffordi
would beg of him to state the course which he contemplated
taking.
The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY replied that the
character of the petition and the excitement of the period
in which it was brought forward supplied the reasons why
he now made this motion. The petition mule grave charges
against various persons ; and in his opinion be believed
mischief would arise if they only obtained a half publicity.
Mr. THORNELY (as eliairman of the committee on
petitions) explained the reasons which had actuated the
committee in this matter. The petition had given rise to
considerable difficulty ; and the question as to its disposal
had been postponed once or twice. This petition related to
very important questions now before the house; and its
authority was guaranteed, as far as it was possible, by the
same of an hon. member of the house having been placed
among the signatures attached to it. The com-
mittee found that they could not take the ordinary
course, in consequence of the seriousness of the allegation,
made, and after much discussion and deliberation they had
concluded that it was their duty to print the petition for
the use of members only. Further consideration of the
matter was undoubtedly required; and be agreed with the
hon. member for Northamptonshire that the motion ought
tla remain over.

Mr. U. BERKELEY did not see why the motion of his
noble friend should not be agreed to. Some 6.56 of the
petitions had.; already been printed ; and it was absurd to
suppose that thk amounted to privacy. The public would
want to know what was in the petition • and there were
calumnies in the case no flimsy veil Of secrcsy should be
thrown over them.

Sir R. INULIS stated that he was the individual who,
in the committee, had moved the restricted printing of the
petition; and he believed that the house would come to the
conclusion that the grounds on which he rested the pro-
priety of that measure were satisfactory. The petition
contained the gravest accusations against individuals, but
they were accusations with which it was desirable that the
house should be made acquainted, because they referred to
a system which an hon. member had obtained leave to bring
in a bill to supervise. So long as the petition was confined
to members only no informer could avail himself of the
statements it contained; and, again, if it were made a pub-
lic documcet, the house would run the risk of seeing an-
other Howard, Stoc•kdale, or Hansard case.
Mr. ANSTSY did not see that the difficulty alluded to
by the boo. baronet was likely to arise. He concurred in
the motion of the noble lord, but he thought that (their at-
tention had not been called to the fact, that these papers
hail been made as public us the proceedings iu the Bode-
siasticad Court could taste them.

Mr. H. DRUMMOND supported the motion.
Su (LORRY impressed on the houm the necessity which
existed for the exercise of great caution in the printing of
papers of a libelous tendency, or on which any action might
be founded. He thought the decision of the committee
should be supported.
The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY did not in any
degree blame the committee on public petitions for the
course they had taken. He begged to ask if he was at
liberty to place the petition in theliands of such as might be
able to satisfy him on the subject ?
Mr. KEOGH thought it impossible that this matter
could be allowed to rest. Public anxiety would be excited
to obtain access to the petition, which was known to con-
tain most slanderous charges.
After some further discussion,
The house divided:
For the motion 4l
Against it
OFFICERS IN THE NAVY
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On the motion of Mr. S. iiERPIEILT returns were ordered
of the number of officers on the present admirals, vice-
admirals', and rear.admirals list respectively, who have
not served • sufficient time as captain to entitle them
to their flag. Also of the number of officers among the first
100 and second 100 respectisely on the captains list who have
not yet served a sufficient time as captains to entitle
them to their flag; also the number now on full pay. And
a similar return of the number holding appointments, but
not on sea pay under the Admiralty or Board of Customs
respectively.
THE KAFFIRS.

On the motion of LOW J. Nceset.l, Col. Dunne, Mr.
Fitzpatrick, and Mr. Morriell were added to the select
committee on the Kaffir tribes. _

The home adjourne4l at a quarter to 2 o'clock.

PA/ILL-Mr. Geach, from Tuesday last to the cud of the
week, with Mr. W. Ormsby Gore. Mr. Serjeant Murphy
in favour of Mr. Moores motion on the Ecclesiastical Titles
Bill, with Mr. Bethel) against. The O'Gorman Mahon
paired off with the Master of the Rolls against the Eccle-
siastical Titles Bill.