The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT-.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAY, JULY 23.
The Earl of Smsrubsuitir (Deputy Speaker) took
Nat at i o'clock.
CONFERENCE WITH THE COMMONS.
A messenger from the Commons attended at the Ir, sy
desired a conference with their lordships on the Incumbeig
Estates (Ireland) Bill.
Managers were then named on the part of their lost
ships; and alter an interview with the managers for tts
Commons,
Lord CAMPBELL sated that the Common* had sped
to all their lordships' amendments, except two. He pp,
gOirthat the amendments of tit( ir lordships and As
mons should be printed and taken into consideration
on Thursday.
THE WAR IN HUNGARY
Lord BROUGHAM v.ivhed to repeat a question whirl;
he had put to the noble marquis (Lansdowne), a short fly
ago with reference to the war in Hungary. He hoped thee.
had been no recounitiln of Kossuth and the Hungarian ite
suWentshl'arrqbueirs M0'141,21*/ g ;MI bed only to say
that there bad been no alteration in the cireuntstaneg
in which we coed with regard to Hungary since he lit
assured his noble and learned friend that there could be
no such recognition as he referred to. (Hear, hea►.)
LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motian that the house should go into committal se
this bill,

Lord MONTEAGLE referred to the manner in which
lunatic asyht:ca were managed in Ireland, and said he 11%414
like to see the correspondence between the Lunacy Commit•
Moneta and the Lord Chancellor with reference to the he
affecting these p:ecer•, lard on the table of the house.
Lora BROUGRAM said as the matter referred to wet
tub judice, he should not f xpri Cs an opinion on it.
The bill then passed through committee.
SLAVE TRADE.
Earl NELSON, on bi half of tee Bishop of Orford, pra
tented the report of the committee on the African gars
trade.
STOCK IN TRADE BILL.
Earl GRANVILLE mooed the second reading of thi,

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of property was not rated. Ile thought all popery
should be rated alike. One of the objections whisk
had been urged to a national rate was that
there would; be no control over its local manages
trent ; he did not, however, see any difficulty in the
way of such control. It would be easy to raise such a tax
for three or five years, and sd. in the pound would be
enough to pay the whole of the poor rates paid for the
last three or five yeow. This tax aright be voted for three
or live years, establishing this rule—that each parish should
receive the avenge sum it had expended f y the last three or
five yeah, wad if they exceeded the amount, the sum in ex.
ceas might be railed by a rate in aid. The noble we in
conclusion made some observations as to the inequality of
the income tax, with reference to incomes derived from
professions and funded proFerty.
After farther discussion the bill was read a second time.
ARMY AND NAVY MEDALS.
The Duke et RICHMOND rose to ask a question on ths
subject of the granting of those m...dals. He had before es
ferred to the Egeptian campaign, and he thought men en.
gaged in then splendid victories ought to receive medals r
well se those who had served in the Peninsula. 12,000
fighting men landed under Sir Ralph Abercrombie in Egypt,
acd they took 22,000 prisoner.' 1003 guns, 6 frigates in fts
harbour, and 200 sail of merchants. No less than this.
peerages were granted on that occasion; and the only arse
meat against medals being granted to the men engaged MS
that the superior officers did not receive any medal at the
time; but the Hine of Engl eel permitted the Sulu
to give medals to them. He hoped the goverment
would recon her the question, and twee care the
fair play should he done to those ld vetenai,
The noble duke conclud d by asking whither it ea
the intention of the government to extend medals to
persons who had distinduiehed themselves, and who hid
hitherto been exclu .ed from such an honour? He ale
moved for a nominal return of the actions in which medels hal
been awarded by sea and by land from 1794 to 1814, and thee
action, for which the thanks of parliament had been toted
Earl GREY raid that the great difficulty which bad beet
experienced in respect to granting medals was to weenie
the degree of merit which should create a &rind*
When then' hie duke first brought this question before the
house, he had himself raid that such an honour should not
be granted without great discrimination. To bestow it a
all who claim. dit would not only be inconvenient but it.
jealous. It was necessary, therefore, to define a rule le
granting ravioli • and af:er much consideration, the minute
having consulted the noble duke at the table (Wei.
lington), it we. 'greed that in all cases when
the servic • rendered was considered at the time ts
be worthy of a medal, and that such had been conferred a
the superior offic.rs, that action should be considered •
giving a claim to a medal ; and, accordingly, the records d
the Wur-office were consulted, and wherever superior offieri
were ft und to have received medals all theme who wenn.
gaged in the same swim also were to receive them. With
respect to the navy another rule was adopted; those nun
officers whose experience qualified tl!em to judge of the is-
portance of naval services were consulted, and their sang
was generally adopted. On these two rules the medals hi
been awarded. With respect to Egypt, that question we
yet under consideration, and he might he allowed to say that
the campaign there did great honour to the British army.
The matter was not yet settled. All he could ray
at present was, that the subject was still uncle
consideration, and if any general rule could he adopted it
would he done, hut it could not be expected that individual,
such as the noble duke referred to should have their claim
preferred to others, u such a course would be alike hue
venient and injurious.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said, it appeared to Ilia
that the order for granHng medals issued in 1847 ewer
fulfilled the desire of the claimants for medals. They said
that medals had been granted for Waterloo and for resins
in the East Indi. e, but not for the Peninsular Wee, sri
certainly when the Queen was graciously pleased to code
medals on the Peninsular otfi ors and soldier, he coneident
that the very course had been taken which was calculatedta
give satisfacti..n to all concerned. Re begged their lord
ships to observe, that the crown conferred Ike
distinction, and that alone caused it to he valuable.
and when such distinctions were conferred in consequeses d
addrewes from either tonne of parliament, it was stints
crown that created the value of the distinction conferred
He entirely agreed that if they were universally paled
they would lose all merit as Fistinctions.
After a few words from Lord Cotrazsoma and the Doh
opfEßTlTcnymoßrrAno, theo OFFICES
sdrownpeoud.
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TITLES OF RELIGIOITS CONGREGATIONS (SCOT.
This bill was read a seennßer
LAND) BILL.
RT OF CHANCERSI
Their lordships went into committee on this bill.
Lord REDESDALE said that ibis bill was not requird
by the Scottish people; ant he hoped that at all events::
would not be premed forward at that late period of th

session.
Lord CAMPBELL said that the bill was perfectly ni
understood in S,otlanel, and decidedly approved of lie sugh
say, by all denominations there.
Lord CAMPBELL defended the bill, and moved that O
be reported.
Lord REDESDALE moved, as an amendment, theta
be reported that day three months.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY (in the choir)—Wl,t
when there i• no amendment on the bill ? (A lough.) 11
ain't move that. It mint he reported. I will leeoat
the chair, end then you monk) what you like with it. (I
laugh.)
The Earl of Snarreenuay then resumed his seat on the
woolsack, and the bill was reported.
Lord CAMPBELL moved that the bill be read a nig
time to-morrow (this dry).
Lord REDESDALE moved by way of emendment that
it
be read a third time that day three months.
Their lordships divided, the numberslwere—
Content 17
Non-content 23-6
The bill was consequently lost.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
The Margit • ~f LANSDOWN E moved that the stse
resents on this bill be brought up.
Clause 8, which provided that rent-charges, by wit?!
annuity and jointure, should be made liable to dedeens
for poor rate haeiner been proposed,
The Earl of WICKLOW touk occasion to enter Li'
disapproval of it.
Lord REDESDALE thought that the clause wouldli4
only to a great deal of difficulty, and it ought to be otaittel
altogether.
Lord BEAUMONT said the provisions in this chul
were totally different from the statement muddy the
lord who bad charge of the bill.
Lord CAMPBELL could not see the difficulties sugent4
As the jointure issued out of the whole of the lend, do
disuse provided, that the dedue'ion for poor rate should
made in respect of every part dit the land charged with*
annuity or jointure.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that afser the e'!"
jections which had been urged, he would cornet tett'
omission of the clause in order to facilitate the Wain of 11111
remaining provisions of the bill.
The clause was then omitted, on the mo•ion of the Egli
Wicklow.
Lord STANLEY said, es the clause had been disposed 01,
be was only anxious that the bill should hems& as genenl4
useful as possible. He wished to call their lordships atto!,,
Von to the 10th clause, which provided that occupiers nen',
not deduct from the rent more than one-half the amount
the rate paid. The poor-law act provided that Or
the person occuying any property rated to the reliJ of tr.
poor shall be liable to pay rent in respect of the sion,r,
might deduct from the rent one-half of the rate psid:s
opest of each pound of the net annual value (whethe
iTent shall be greater or less than such annual value), ""
1,,r,
lin proportion for any less sum than a pound. That Ito

enestrawst proposed to be amended
of by
this clause. He
wished to know whether the terms the clause applied
MI, to the immediate occupisre or to the intermediate
Inesee•
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE referred, in explana-
tion, to the 17th sod 67th *actions of the first Irian Poor-law
Aet (I& 2 Viet., e.
Lord STANLEY said the matter war very compleated,
red he thorght it right to all the attention of the govern-
Sent to it.
The clause was then agreed to. On the Brut being
!Mow'
Lord .MONTRAOLE submitted the amendments 0
which he had Ogre notice—tirst, that all orders mad- by the
Poor-law C. marniadoners for the subdivision of unions and
the eeteWi.butent or new unions of • smaller size, and there-
fere better suPed for the effectual relief of the poor, and fur
meting or providing additional workhouses therein, to-
pair with any similar orders for new arraagements made
la relation to the area of electoral divisions, with the view
et reducing inch area, and sglop!ing, as tars practicable,
boundaries more generally conterminous with property,
atoll be included in the reports of the Poor-law Comtism
imam, and be laid annually before perliam.w. The noble
big observed that the Poorlaw Commissioners' powers
Waite most despotic, and his object war to lot
ebtar lordships, and the public see how those powers were
emeteitod. The neat amendment Walt that it should be law-

id ;srthe pior law comusimonees, upon the request of one-
third of the guardians of any union, to appoint uue fitting
Gad proper person to act as resident guardian, for the unions
so applying. in the execution of the duty of guardian for the
anion to which he may be appointed, in the same manner,
is all respects, as if such resident a•siatent-guardian were
on ea officio guardian or elected guardian for such union ;
sad that the poor law commissioners shoald be authorhed to
gessoes such assistant-guardian and to appoint another from
Unto to time, and, if they shout I think fit, to discontinue
such appointment altogether *honorer they considered it
azpodient to do so.
After a few words from Lord MONTIAGLE end the Bari
Of Wtcx tow, . _

The Eul of MIN TO said the ant Okada he felt to the
propositioe of the noble baron (Montesgle ) was that it went
is school, as it were, and cast unequivocal reflections urn
the poor law commiseione re in 'reined. lle could not wil-
lingly be a party to any such imputations on that most meri-
tenon clam of public tenants.
Lord MONTKAGLE said it was because he could not
trust thr poor law commlesioners nor other parties acting
alder their immediate authority, but really not and.,
their effective control, that he must press this amend-
ment. It was of the highest consequence that these asistant
guardians should be re-appointed.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE could not understand
the ground of his noble friend's reluctinee to confide in the
poor law commiesioners with regard to any objects coming
within the scope of this clause.
The amendment, with • verbal alteration, which substi-
tuted the words " board of guardi • ns" in lieu of " • ma-
jority of the board of guardian," was then pseud.
Lord MONTEAGLE said the next amendment related
to , and he trusted that it would meet with their
eaPPon•
Lord CAMPBELL did not see any objection to the
amendment, which went to secure • necessary provision for
oarryiag out the proposed scheme el emigration by enabling
the rats-pryer to set off 'genet his contributions towards the
@barges of the emigration fued his liabilities for ratan
After a few words from the Marquis of LAXIDOWNII and
the Marquis of CLannictuann, who upremed their disbelief
that any muck control was necessary to be exercised over
the proceedings of the Poor-law Comedisionere,
Lord MONTEAGLE said there was no instance on record
of the Poor-law Coamiesionen complaining of the boards of
their duty, or of the boards of guar-
==p7llleultisimilar neglect as the part of the Par-
ker Csaniedesere.
The sanded clause, enacting that " if in any ewe any
ink an. or sums of money en borrowed on debeature as
eforesaid shall have been advanced by any person who is or
Iterater may become liable to the payment of pones rate
within any union or electoral division en the rates of which
any such d Nature is made chargeable, it shall end may be
lawful for every such person, Lis heirs, executors, adminie
tntors, or animas, in all ewes where such rate due elan te-
emed the amount due for hairiest and instalment on account
of such debenture, to deduct the hill amount of interest and
instalment to which he or they shall or may he entitled on
anus. of any suck debenture from any peer's rate to which
he or they may Income liable within such tici in or electoral
division; and the payment of the IA ince of Pink poor's rate.
after such deduction as alotrasid, shall be taken in full sake
faction of every such rate; and in all cues when such rats
shall be ins than the andiant of interest and instalment due
as aforesaid, it shall be lawful tor such person to give • re-
ceipt for the amount of such rate as being so much received
on account of the instalment and interest due and charged
on su:h rates se aforesaid," was then put and agreed to.

Lord MONTEAOLE proposed amendments, which wen
successively carried, to the following effect, namely: Madi-
son. Tenants sub-lettiag against covenant to forfeit power
of deducting any portion of rate from lessors. Rate-books
to be open fur usspection whose names to be isserted
therein. Appeal against rates. I• proceedings at quarter
sessions, assistant barrister may correct errors, she. Srperior
courts.
The Earl of LUCAN proposed a clause by which pro-
prieters of land would be exempted front personal liability
whenever there tom armies of poor-rote and tenants bad
absconded.
Lord CAMPBELL opposed the Muse, contending that
it did not met this object prop end, inasmuch as it left the
liability of the lent.. ner much where it was, and merely
provided that no action should be brought against him.
The remedy by distress upon the lard still romaine I, and
that had been found to work very disodventarteousiy, fur
landlords were atraid to cultivate the land or even to pu:urs
animals upon it, in Cuss they should be d:strained upon.
After a short coaversation, the clatter, with some modifi-
cations, was agreed tn.
The Earl of LUCAN then brought up a Muse providing
that t►e clerk to the board of guardians should furnish • copy
of the rate-book, the :penes being I a'.d by the persin apply.
lag, which was agreed to.
The noble earl next brought up a clause saving a power of
ejectment to landlords where the rate or any part of it was
in arrear for one year.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought that such •
power given to the landlord was too great.
Lord BEAUMONT said that in Ireland the rate in
mean might come to be the debt of the landowner, and
there ought to be some means of preventing such arrears,
although he thought this a strong measure. After some dis-
cussion the clause was agreed to, the words " having pre-
viously paid the rate " being added.
The Marquis of SALISBURY proposed a clause to make
the collector of the rats responsible fur the amount of rates
received by him.
The Earl of WICKLOW said the effect of the clause
would be to stop the operation of the p for law altogether,
and it would be impossible under these circumstances to get
anybody to be security for the collector.
Lord MONTEAOLE said that in Ireland the collector
was not the party who was ultimately a loser by a tenant
not paying the rate ; bat it was the landlord, he being the
petty who eventually was made to pay the rate. In place
of the Clallie period by his noble friend (the Marquis of
Salisbury) he would propose as an amendment that a penalty
of 61. should be imposed upon the collector instead of making
him responsible for the whole amount of the rate. He would
also propose that the penalty of M. be commas ily reetiverable
by proceedings to be taken before the moistest barrister.
The Mamas of SALISBURY assented to the propesi 'ion
of Lord hlonteagle, and the amendment of the noble lord
was spud to.
The report was then agreed to.
The Summary Convictions (Ireland) Bill and the Indict-
able Offences (Ireland) BEI were read a third time.
Their loedships then adjourned at hall past 10 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoNDAT, itILT 23.
The Bresnan took the ehair at 12 o'clock.
THE GAMBIA EXPEDITION.
Sir E. N. BUXTON rose pursuant to notice to ask a ques-
tion of the hon. gentleman the Under !Secretary for the Colo-
nies respectieg the sanguinary attack which had beta lately
made under the orders of the Governer of Gambia upon ter
Min savage tribes in that neighbourhood. It appeared that
the governor, Mr. R. G. Macionnell, had received some real
tre supposed insult from the king of a neighbouring town—
that he then applied to the authorities of Sierra Leone, and
to the squadron, for troops, but it appeared that he was re-
fused any assistance from those quarters ; and that he there-
upon colleeed a lone in his own neighbourhood, and went
up the Gambia, and attacked a certain native town (Bers-
bacoo), which, it would appear, he had utterly destroyed.
Theletter which had appeared in the ne • spepers contained the
fallowing parsgriph 'lt (the town) burnt in all direction,
and our enemy bad to bolt for it, when immense numbers
were killed, both from the grape discharged from the bat-
ter, and the Are sad bayonets of the skirmishers • we reduced
the town to a keep of ashes, destroying every portion of Me
stockade and !mars." (Hear, hear.) The nest day 14/11111
they attempted. and as far as they were able, destroyed
another town (Heinning); but fortunately, In that instance,
they had net quite succeeded. He now wished to ask the
boa. gentleman Ist. whether that attack, which was appa-
ready of so eztiaordinary a nature, bad been made with the
sanction of the authorities at home, and 2adly, whether
there was any objection to lay upon the table of the house
any eorrespondence upon the subject which might ham
rbetween Earl Grey and the governor of Gambia.
141 t, hew.)
Mr. HAWES said that government bad received no
ether inf innstinn relative to this affair than that which was

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oostained in from the governor. Whatever
bad been dons rep to Ow present almost bad boon done en-
tirely upon the rtspeniallity or the governor.

CLERGY itiILIBIF BILL.
On the motion that this bill, as sanded, be considered,
Mr. MULLINGS tow to =CM the insertion of two addi-
tional clauses, which ha dveribed as of a purely teeknisel
sad legal nature, and u relating to the ease of segnemenisi
/Mein By. the bill in its present turn it was eseepnbeey,
toner say aretnetasees, open the bishop to NW SF
sisslisn of • dergmus_who steed that he bad
j but be bared that, without um limit, mil
=a night, is emus where livings wets under erspou
be made the mese of roasting greet injustice apes
the eredisen. He happened to know, in the course of jib
poskisaml prestige, that there were many osier
Of emu the holden of such livings were
=tads eldelLsete of the preuat bill, yet, ea the bishop would
hove so power to nfw their napalm the creditors
weal/ M deprived of the sourity which they bad
spas the living. One use. for sample, bad ems within

hie knowleAge when the living was under sequestration for
7,0001. The clergyman was in gaol, and if this bill poised
its its present form, he might my to his creditor, " Now,
unless you consent to take 24. 6d. in the pound from me in
satisfaction of your demutd, I shall declare myself a dissenter,
and thus your security will be rendered worthless." The
object of the clauses which he proposed was so render it not
compellable upon the bishrp to accept the resienation of
clergymen whose estates were under sequestration, until such
sequestration should be !shied or satisfied.
Mr. GOVLBURN Oppollid the eIVISGS. so did Mr. BOUTEIIIII.
Mr. BPOONIfR called upon his hos. friend not to press
the introduction of his clauses.

Mr. MULLINOS mid be was is the hands of the house,
and consented to withdraw the classes.—Withdrawn Sc.
cordingly.
Dr. NICHOLL proposd a slight aittration is the denten-
Uon of dissent from the (Irma of the established church to
be made by the clergyman, which was agreed to.
In clause 4,
Mr. OOULBUItN proposed the omission of certain
words which permitted clergymen who hsd seceded from
the church to sit in the Hone* of Commons, after the space
of one year from the period of their secession.

Mr. STAFFORD said that u a member of the committee on
the bill he could state that on this part of the clause the com-
mittee wire unanimous ; they agreed that it would be better
to place the clergyman who had left the church of Englen
entire ly in a poeltion as if be bad never belonged to the
church.

Mr. SPOONER advised the house to krep to the principle
of the bill,that of relieving persons from scruples and doub.s,
and not give them privileges which they themselves abaci.
doned, when they left the chunk.
Mr. BOUVERIB asked oa what ground the exclusion of
clergyman from parliament was justified, incept on this
alone, that his clerical duties were ineoraistent with the per-
formance of his pariianr.ntary duties. Then if his minis-
terial duties awed, the prohibition should cease also.
Mr. MULLINOS hoped his right hon. friend would not
withdraw his amendment.

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Mr. W. J. FOX said that the amendment seemed to go
against the very principle of the bill, which was to allow a I
clergyman to become a leymati ; it conferred on him no new
privilege; it only visited him with the common privilege of
citizenship. If this amendment were carried, there would
be a else of dissenters ineligibl , to sit in the house, and
ineligible on account of their conscientious dissent.
The amendment was then rejected without a division.
The other clauses were agreed to, and the bill ordered to he
read a third time to-morrow.

Mr. H AGGITT sug¢•sted that the hon. member should
not proceed with this bill, but should bring forward a bill
next session which might be free from the objections to this
bill.

Mr. BOIIVERIE said that he should miens* with the
present
SUNDAY TRADING (METROPOLIS) BILL.
. . . .

HINDLEY moved thM this bill be reed a second
time.

Sir. G. GREY mid that, seeing the number of bi:ls that
had been abandoned, snd that there wu not the remotest
chance of carrying this bill this 'milli, he thought the bon.
member would exercise a sound discretion in not pressing
the second reading.
Mr. HINDLEY said that be had deferred the bill from
last session, and all he asked the house to determine to, day
was, whether the principle of the bill should be affirmed or
denied.

Mr. B. WALL moved that the debate be adjourned till
Wednesday week.
Lord R. GROSVENOR also advised the hon. member for
Ashten•ander-Lyne to withdraw the bill, and bring forward
another measure at the earliest possible period next session
of parliament.
Sir E. N. BUXTON concurred in the recommendation for

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Mr. LAW did not ol ject to the hon. member taking hie
own emus*, bat wished he would do it without farther dim-
entaion.

Aker an observation from Mr. Ilnenixt, the bone divided
on Mr. Wall'a amendment. - .

For
Against
Second reeding pwcponed to Wednesday week

CRUELTY TO ANIMALS BILL.
The house went into annotates on this bill.
Various clauses having been agreed to,
Mr. HENRY moved the following amendment at the
mil of toe third clause :
And be it enacted, that If at any time after the pawing of this set
any person shall ride, or, being the owner, shall permit nay other per.
son to ride, any animal In any steeple chase, or other rare ii which
any hedges, knees, walls, bindle*, or other erections, or any diteies,
dykes, strewn% brooks, or rin rs, are intended to be leaped or jumped
over by the animals engaged in such weenie-chase or other race as
aforesaid, then and In every such ease, If any damage or injury shall
occur or be occasioned to such animal whilst engaged in suet. steeple.
chase or other race assfixesaid, every such promo shall be de Pod to
have cruelly used such anima', and for every such offence shall forfeit
and pay a penalty not ens:edify lee&
Sir C. BURRELL wished to call the attention of the
committee to the cruelties irflicted in the case of horses
which were to perform feats upon the public highways, and
cur-recited the propriety of extending, the claws to such
Cases.

Mr. MACKINNON thought that if the clause were
ins .rted it would destroy the bill altogether, and though he
was anxious to put an end to all cruelties to animals, he
could not IMMO either to the clause or to the suggestion of
the bon. baronet.

The ATTORNEY GENERAL confessed that he d;+liked
the clause in it■ present torm, because it recognised steeple
chasing to a certain • rent, and he was of opinion it the
coalmines wished to prevent cruelte t animals in a steeple
chase. that the clause should a• to the extent of forbidding
omega-chasing altogether. R+sing was different, because
that was neeemealy for improvement of the breed of horses,
' whereas steeple-chasing was nothing of the kind.

Mr. BLLIS supported the clause, and considered atceple-
chasing a most objectionable and abhorrent practice.
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Mr. R. PALMER thought the clause framed by the bon.
gentleman objectionable, although he was desirous that
steeple-chasing should not he encouraged.
Mr. F. FRENCH had witnessed many steeple-chases, end
never saw any cruelty pent:ea at them ; and he had gene-
rally observed that the horse was as much excited as the
rider.

Some desultory co.:versation having taken place,
Mr. PRYSE honed he was a gentleman. (A laugh). He
had ridden many steeple-chases, and was neither a
brats nor a beast. (Loud laughter) He denied that cruelty
was generally practised at these sports.
After some observations from Mr. ELLIOTT, tho com-
mittee divided :
For the clause
Against it
The clause was cont.-queenly lost, and the remaining
clauses or the bill agreed to.
The home resumed, and immediately went into committee
on the

PROTECTION OF WOMEN BILL.
On the lit clam •, relating to the procuring and soliciting
of women,

Mr. ROEBUCK opposed it, beanies in his opini et it
would be utterly impotteible to carry it out. He moved that
the deuce be applied to women under the age of 18 only.

Mr. SPOONER said his okintion to that wa., that it
would legalise the offence as regarded every wcman above
the ego et 18.
Mr. ANSTEY said the bill seemed intended only to suit a
morbid state of feeling on the subject.

The ATTORNEY•GENERAL would vote for the amend-
ment if the hon. member for Sht Meld would make it 21 in-
stead of 18 years of age.
Mr. ROEBUCK assented to the alteration, and
The committee divided on the quer ivn of limiting the
operation of the clause to women under 21 years of are.
For the amendment BO
Against it
The amendment earned.
Two amendments proposed by Mr. C. ANSTZT having
been negatived without a division, the remaining clauses
wcre agreed to with some alterations, and the bill puled
through committee and was ordered to be reported to-
morrow.

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