The Express.
London, England, 1853-03-03 00:00:00

an esrly.period Otis* session, • notice for the repeal of the
Morita* act: afterwards he substituted, as he said, from
motives °Mimeo tad justice, a motion for enquiry ; and
although be did apt dare to take a division upon that reso-
lution, hitt reds el won a mere question of adjournment,
he now ems beim Chem, took everything for proved, and
stated that an enquiry was not necessary. (Hear, hear.)
The Ms. gentleman opposite (Mr. Whiteside) had taken an
of introducing a parenthetic user of Sir Robt.
en r. Tbe.t sneer was easily understood, coming from
gentleness who had hunted down that most lamented
statuman for opinions which they had since adopted, and
mule warof in order to perform en act of the grommet po-
litical tergiversation. (Loud cheers.) The bon. membpr
had alluded to Galway College ; but " those who lived in
glasshouses should not throw stones." The late premier,when
Secretary for Ireland, had established as a great national
blessing &system of national education, the want of which
had been severely felt ; but no fewer than 1,200 clergymen
of the established church had refused to receive that sys-
tem. (Hear, hear.) Now the head of the Roman Catholic
church had not gone so far as that. He bad not forbidden
ROOM catholic children to attend; but be had thought it
right so far to refuse his sanction to the plan as to forbid
a Roman catholic dean to act as vice-president of the col-
lege. (Hear, hear.) It was said that the College of May-
nooth was an ultramontane establishment. Now he
(Serjeant Murphy) might not be considered any authority
on such a point ; but having been usociated the whole of
his life with Roman catholic", he claimed to possess some
information on the subject, and ho begged to tell hon. gen-
tlemen that the education at Mavnooth wae not ultramon-
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tone, but but that which was known as Cis-Alpine. (Hear,
hear.) When at the Revolution the doctors of the Sar-
bonne were compelled to disperse, themselves over
Europe, two of the most eminent members of that university
became professors at Maynooth, and from that time to this
Cis-Alpine doctrines had always been taught there. Just
in the same way, however, as every Romaa catholic priest
was called a Jesuit, so, be supposed, every Roman catholic
in Ireland was called an ultra-Montanist. (Hear, hear.)
An hon. gentleman opposite pointed to the book from
which the hon. member (Mr. Whiteside) had read an ex-
tract ; but as a Roman catholic he (the learned serjeant)
was not answerable for that book—(hear, bear)—COT bad
he, until he came into that house, ever so much as heard of

St., Thosnsus Aquinas's " Secundc's Secundos." He bad re-
ceived a good deal of information from the hon. member for
Warwickshire (Mr. Spooner) ' • but, as Dr. Johnson told a
lady who was complimenting him on having omitted all
naughty words from his dictionary—. Madam, you would
not have known that had you not been looking for them."
(Roan of laughter.) It had been well said that they ought
to judge of a system by its priests ; and they could appeal
to the world whether any body of men could be found with
so little of blemish upon their moral character—considering
their numbers—as the Roman catholic clergy. (Loud
cheers.) If he were to follow the example of hon. members
opposite be might just as well ground an argument
against the morality of the English clergy, because dini.
pated and vicious men might he found at the Universities
of Oxford and Cambridge. But that would be a very fal-
lacious and unjust mode of reasoning ; for be was glad, as
a Roman catholic, to recognise many English clergymen
whose characters were unimpeachable. (Cheers.) The
only agreeable circumstance that could be discerned when
famine was stalking over Ireland, was to see the Roman
catholic, and the protestant clergyman and the presbyte-
rian minister vying with each other in the discharge of
every kind and charitable office ; and sad indeed was it
to see the good feeling which that mournful dispensation
of providence had produced amongst them dissipated by
such motions as that of the hon. member for Warwickshire.

(Loud cheers.) The only new elements in that hon. gen-
tleman'a speech were the statements he bad read with re-
spect to the riotous mid violent proceedings, which he at-
tributed to the interference of the priests in Ireland,
at the last election. Now as he (Serjeant Murphy) was him-
charged with owing his election to such interference, it
would be obviously improper in him to make any minute
statement on the subject until the matter should come be-
fore the authorised tribunal of a committee ; but he would
tell the hon. gentleman this fact, which might perhaps
startle him to hear. He begged to declare, in the most
emphatic manner, that it was the priests who were behind
the people, and not the people who were led on by the
pried.. (Hear, and laughter.) He repeated that the
ware dragged into the contest by the people. (Hear,
And they would feel no wonder that the people
were excited, when they recollected the proclamation which
had emanated from the government within ten days
of the general election ; and when they remembered too
that in the town of Stockport there had been a promise
of little Roman catholic female children, such as had taken
place without interruption for nineteen years previous,
carrying no banners or anything that could irritate the
feelings of protestant', except that each child wore a small
cross—a symbol he should hope that all christians might
equally adept—and yet that two days afterwards the
Roman catholic chapels in Stockport were torn dews, sad
rifled, and the sacred elements thrown into the streets sad
trodden wider foot. Four days after that her Majesty's
ministers placed before the country a document called the
Queen's Speech, in which having abandoned their old
principle of protection, they were obliged to raise in this
country the cry of pretestantism. (Hear, hear.) In the
courts of justice too the Irish people bad seen the manner
in which a Roman catholic clergyman had stood his trial ,•
and they had heard the cheers of those who had lietened
with kindness to everything that could tell against his.
(Hear, hear.) They had seen even the .highest authority
in the Court of Queen's Bench catching at the applause of
the byestanders—(cheen)—and holding a paper in his
hand at a distance from him as if he did not like it to
mine--
"Betwixt the wind end his Debility,"
Exclaiming, ""Thank God, we have no inquisition!"
(Cheers.) Since then, by-the-bye, they bad seen the court
repairing what they had complained of. They had ap-
pealed from the Court of Queen's Beath drunk to the Court
of Queen's Bench sober, and four judges had reversed the
acts of one. (Cheers.) But when the people of Ireland
had witnessed all these things, no wonder that they were
excited. (Hear, hear.) The hon. gentleman opposite bad
alluded to the converts to protestantism in Ireland; but he
had overlooked what bad been taking place in England.
When the hon. gentleman saw persons of high station in
the universities, and persons gifted with the means of In-
vestigating the truth, doing so, and then thinking prow
to join the Roman catholic religion, he might, as a lawyer,
have understood, according to the legal maxim, that wit-
nesses, "non nwncrontar sod pondevantor," were to
be reckoned, not by their nimbus, but b the
weight which their evidence would carry. (Chum)
Surely, a few of such converts proved far more them the
greatest number of peasants tempted by famine, misery, and
desolation to do wrong. (Hese, hear.) He could
to the names of lush men as Doctor Newman a
Meaning ; and he could well afford to make the hen. and
learned gentleman a present of Dr. Aehilli. (Hear, hear.)
With respect to the question of the Irish establishment, be
must remind the house of what had lately fallen from IN
English bishop and a Presbyterian nobleman, the heed if
her Ifejsety's government, with reegeel to the .Camels
clergy reserves. The Bishop of Oalard had said thee the
principle of finality was het to be heard of la leghlatime.
Well might it be observed, that it would be well for Inland
if she could be skilled a *easeed WIN more westward,
and be dealt with as a whey. (Hear, hear.) Would to
Clod that she sonkl; and than she might have a chance
ee being treated with jug*, sad mason MM. (Cheers.)
The resalatisa before the hems related to endowments
far religions purposes ; buf he denied that May-
nooth was sea an endowment. It was an endow-
ment far educational purposes, and did not stand
ea the same footing as the region' donna. (Hear,
hear.) It was the duty of the 'tau to educate the people,
if they were not able to educate themselves ; and so long
es
the principle of toleration was maintained, and every
sect was allowed to worship God according to its own
wishes, it would be far better even as a matter of expedi-
ency, that the Roman catholic. should have an educated
then that they should have an uneducated priesthood.
If, then, they were unable to educate their clergy, the state
NOS to mist them ; but if the burden of the establish-
-11111. Inn removed, the Roman catholic* would, probably,
be elle
Wln deWI. without coming to parliament for its *mist-
ime& )
fir. KISS, as the only Irish presbyterian in the house,
and ilimerra to some extant the repreeentative; of 700,000
pesos,rested against the mamas they hail hoard re-
=iseadoawit. The regimen Amara, which
ef on 1 a-year, smeared the customs of
the pestdll.lll given to the Irish presbyterians
by Wm. ill., to mimpensate them, to some extent, for
having been deprived, by the Act of Uniformity, of their
Maar, of the *Me whist' they had previously held jointly
with the elien of the established church. At the proper
thee, however, he should be prepared to enter more fully
litho the subject, and to defend the Irish presbyterians
from the imputations which had been cud upon them.
Mr. COGAN rose amidst loud (cries of • divide." The
principle of (the hon. member's motion had his heartiest
esasarrease ; but the resolution itself was open to the same
Oittelisne es applied to that of Mr. Spooner. Mr. Spooner's
seethe sehend to one Fs:lkeda: :grant, and the amend-
ment molly tee/ In a number of other grants for eccle-
siastical The has. =tot arguments went
to the of repealing the lion Act ; for if his
eats the Roma catholic re 'on were true, not
not math to be endowed, but Roman
itself ought not to be tolerated, because it un-
filled ma for civil societ. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Cogan)
met express his heartfelt satisfaction that the hon. and
.)sensed gentleman (Mr. Whiteside) was no longer a law
same of the Crown ; for after the strong sentiments he
had a:premed, it was clear that he was not qualified pre-
early Ito discharge the duties of such an office. (Hear,
Um.) With respect to the motion, he should advise the
hon. gentleman to withdraw it ; for the question must
shortly come again before the house, and they would have
to consider the whole subject of the Irish, and ultimately
ol the English, church establishments. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. O'BRIEN expressed his gratitude to Mr. Phinn
for his conciliatory remarks, and his regret that they should
have been followed by such a speech as that of Mr. White-
side. With respect to the statements which bad been made
the other night relative to election riots in King's County,
he had only to say that they were inconsistent with the
facts.
_(Hear, hear.)
Mr. MUNTZ said be should support this motion, is he
had supported the motion for withdrawing the great from
Maynooth. It was said that it was invidious to with
Maynooth. But they must begin somewhere, or they never
would:get rid of these grants. What chance was there, he
should like to know, of ever seeing these grants repealed if
they were all to be assailed at once ? (Hear, hear.) It
was only by attacking one that the whole would tumble
down. (Hear, hear.)
Sir J. FITZGERALD defended the conduct of the ca-
tholic dew during the last election in Ireland, and said
that they had interfered only for the purpose of resisting
the intimidation of the landlords.