The Express.
London, England, 1848-06-01 00:00:00

teetentissa which etisompealed the Roman
It was odd that the law was violated tit
they were asked to frame a mowers which
law into harmony with those who violated 1'
If the consciences of thou persons were ut
Isw, lie should have thought that was
entitling them to th e benefits now asked r
hear.) They were subject to • constitut
in harmony with that of England, and
which was to give way, theirs or ours. (Hear, beer.) They
would give toleration is far as It was possible, but if • con-
flict should arise between Individuals on a vital principle,
they could not sacrifice the principle of the constitution to the
orders of others. (Hear, hear.) At the time of the Emanci-
pation Act there were no securities as to the regular clergy,
because none could be given. But it was said that a great
chugs had Wren place sineetheEmanelpation Act, and that
these men were now so innocent that It was perfectly safe
to admit them into the bosom of the country. The obvious
mode of showing that would be to move for a committee of
inquiry. (hear.) But the noble lord at the head of the
Foreign-office was not of that opinicei, as appeared from
the correspondence relative to the affairs of Switzerland.
The Jesuits had been expelled thirty•senin times from vari.
ous countries. Were we to give them, under the sanction of
law, perfect freedom from all control in every part of our
own country ? That was in reality the question—the vital
question—on which they were to decide. The bill, indeed,
did not profs-e to do that; but it would do it. Let them not
then do one thing under pretence of doing another. (Cheers )
Let them not admit the Jesuits until it was proved to be de-
sirable that they should be admitted. Their greatest safe-
guard at the present time was the protestant sentiment in
Ireland, and that they must support and maintain.
Mr. FAOAN should have said little or nothing about
this bill had the diseuseion been limited to the subject mat-
ter of clauses in obsolete acts of parliament. Roman catho-
lics had too many practical grievances to complain of to trou-
ble themselves about such mere by. gones. But it appeared
to be the policy of hun. gentlemen opposite to take
up ibis question upon other grouado, and to perpetuate a
system which premed with the greatest hardship upon the
Roman catholic clergy. It was well know, that ender the
Charitable Bequests Act the Roman catholic clergy were
unable to hold property. The consequence was, that their
moperty was obliged to be placed in the hands of trustees,
and instances had been known in which, in consequence of
these limitations, the property had been grossly misappro-
priated. He called that a practisd grievance, and lie would
struggle to the last fur its removal. On occasions such as
these they were accuntomed to bear the outpourings of all
the bigoted spirits of that house, and especially to hear the
Jesuits abused and vilified. But it they would
read " Reinke's History of the Popes," written by a
protestant, they would fled thou pious retiring men properly
repri stinted. It was said they bad been driven from the con.
tinent. They had; but why ? Because they were the ens-
mire of anarchy and confusion. lie objected to the amend-
merit, because he considered it intuiting to his priesthood.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that in voting for Mr. Law's
amendment he should not feel hint-elf bound to give his
assent to tiller one division of the bill or the other. He
had no prat renee for either, he objected to both. But
knowing that they had the tieing of the house with them
as to at least one part of the bill, he thought it would he
rertectly fair anti right to divide the measure, and thereby
secure at least the rejection of the wont half of it. It was said
that the number ofJesuits in Ireland was small. On s former
occasion, however, they had been estimated at half the total
number of the priesthood, and on another occasion at one-
third. But the danger was not, perhaps, so much from
those now there as from those who might be admitted under
the influence of such a measure as that now proposed. Be.
Having that great practical evils would fellow the settlers, nt
of Jesuits in this country. he should certainly strive to avoid
either admitting them or supporting the church of which
they were the body-guard.
Mr. SHELL said ho would not detain the house one
minute. He merely wished to cite the opinion of Lord
Stanley—a great prop and stay of the established church—
who in 1829 expressed • very favourable opinion of the
Jesuits founded upon his own knowledge of those who
were settled at Stonyhunt. (Hear, hear.) The noble
lord's opinion tarried with it gnat +tight. lie (Mr.
Shell) felt most strongly respecting this bill, and especially
as regarded the right of Roman ca•holics to be elevated to
the pest of Lord Chancellor in Ireland. That privilege had
been originally refused them under the Roman Catholic Eman-
cipation Act, in consequeuee of an impression that the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland had at his disposal a great amount of
ecclesiastical patronage. Now, he had taken the trouble to
inquire into that matter, and he found that with the excep-
tion 01 being jointly with other judges (one of whom, by the
way, was a Boman catholic) patron of the livings of St.
Andrew and St. Mark, in the city of Dublin, the Lord
Chancellor of Ireland had no duty whatu ver, in cones akin
with the established church. (Hear, hear.) Tito Lord
Chancellor wrote to him, " I know of nothing connected
with the office which ought to disqualify a member of the
Roman catholic church from holding it,and l least sincerely add
that the Roman casholie her of I telend has produced many
men of sufficiently distingaioln d merit to be fully qualified
for the office." (Cheers.) lie (Mr.Sheil) felt that it would
be impossible to express a stronger opinion than that—
(hear)— and there could be no doubt that the hon. member
for Tamworth, in the original discusaions on this subject in
1829, had been induce .cesi by the impression that eccle-
siastical patronage was attached, to the office. (Hear.) 'this,
therefore, was a practical grievance, and one of such a na-
ture as to entitle him to cal upon the house to go into com-
mittee on the bill. With reeled to the amendment, it was
carrion, that it was nothing but a party expedient to delay
the measure—and delay in this case was a procrastination or
right. (C heering. )
Mr. H. DRUMMOND could not have allowed so many
summers topes* over his head—he could not have lived in so
many foreign countries, or associated with so many Romeo
catholic families, without discovering that the p puts of books
and the real live members of the Roman esthetic church were
two very different things. (Laughter.) He was ready to
credit what history said about all the evil done by papist+ in
past times ; but really he never met with • more harm-
less, inoffensive sort of people than the esthetics of
the present day. Ile wished, however, merely to take this
opportunity of adverting to what had been said by the right
hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Shell) on a former occasion
respecting some observations of his on the Roman catholic
oath. The right hon. member had Bind he was wrong, and
he wanted to ask the right hon. member how lie proved it
Luckily fur him, his (Mr. Drunsmond'e) observatiens on the
occasion referred to were, every °ilea them, completely mis-
represented in the public prints of the next morning ; to that
of course nobody out of doors had ever yet got at the merits,
though all the world said Dear me, what a fool that Mr.
Drummond must be." He was willing to amide to the
practical thing urged op the right hon. and learned gentle•
man opposite, hut he objected to the iutroduction of any
special concessions for the Jesuits in particular.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY supported the proposition of the
right hon. and learned member for Cambridge University.
The house divided.—For the motion
For the amendment
The amendment for dividing the hill into two parts was
accordingly carried.
The house then went into committee upon the bill.
The CHAIRMAN having read the portion of the clause
which was left undecided oo the last discussion of the

measure,
Mr. GORING moved that the chairman do leave the
chair.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL protested against this most un-
fair attempt to get rid of the bill by a 'id, wind.
Mr. GOULBURN expressed a hope that his hon. friend
would allow the committee to proceed.
Sir R. H. INOLIS had concluded that, as a matter of
cosine, won the decision of the house being known, the
hon. member for Yu ighal would at once have withdrawn
the bill, for the purpose of dividing it into two pens, accord-
ing to that decision. He appealed to the chair whether such
a curse would not be more consistent with precedent, as
well as with the common reason of the thing, than the course
adopted by the how member for Toughs! ?
The CHAIRMAN sail that instances of the division of
bills were very rare indeed. lie remembered but one such
occurrence during the whole time he bad filled the office he
now occupied. Ile considered that the ordinary course in
such cases as this had been fur the member who had oh.
tainsd the severaneo of a bill into two parts to point out, in
the course of its Furth( r discussion, the point at which he
proposed to divide it into two parts.
Mr. LAW differed from this view of the matter, thinking
that a member who had charge of a bill upon which such a
decision had been passed should obey that &notion at mice. I
The ATTORNEY.GENERAL supported the opinion of
the chairman.
Mr. W ALPOLE cited the precedent of the bill introduced
in 1846 hl Mr. Watson, to a similar purport with the present
bill, and which, on the motion of the government, was or-
dered by the house to be divided into two parts, in the same
manner as was now ordered. When the house weld into
committee upon the bill, it was moved that the chairman
leave the chair. in ord. r to give the hon. twmher the tower
tunity of dividing his bill into two pate, as directed by
the house.
Mr. ANSTEY said he should propose to tro on with the
committee, striking out as they occurred the clauses to which
the amendment applied.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL supported this view of proceed-
ing. When the committ. e come to the clauses relating to
the act of George IV. these could then be formed into a
separate bill, as the house had directed, which weld be pro-
, needed with in committee, the second reading of the mea-
sure es it stood, embra&ng these clauses, having already
been sanctioned by the house, and needing no second dis-
suasion.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL also contended that the
bill, up to a second point, we. already disposed of, awl neid
I not, when serarated, be proceeded with de novo.
I Mr. GORING said he would withdraw his amendment if
the hon. and learned member for Youghal would move that
the chairman report progress, with the purpose of dividing
the bill into two parts.
Mr. ANSTEY would be no party to any proposition that
Weald lave the effect of unduly procrastinating the bill.
XL MILES urged the hon. member for Shoreham to
withdraw his amendment, in the hope that the hon. member
far Toughs' would then see the advisability of moving that
the chairman report progress,—a course at once consistent
with precedent and calculated to facilitate the progress of
that portion of the measure to which toe body of the house
might be dispersed to assent, when it war relieved from that
potion to which the majority of the house were opposed.
Mr. °OILING withdrsw his amendment.
Mr. STAFFORD moved that the chairman report pro-
grew, and ask leave to sit again.
Sir J. GRAHAM pointed out that the precedent of Mr.
Watson's bill did not apply to the present case, for there no
progress had been made with the measure, which it was then
decid dby the house should be :do two part.,
whioo es lien r.onsiat ruble progn es had been made with the
bill under consideration. He thought that it would be very
unfair to require that the separated bills should be (Us-

conilderatiOn at which the ecWwtitiee had determined the
bill should be divided into two, sad aft* the hill had gone
through the committee, it would be his duty to report to the
house the instruction of the committee to divide the bill
into two.
The clause was then proceeded with.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY moved as an amendment the in.
section of the fu:lowiiig words :

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Troy/Wed always, and be it declared, that nothing in thie enact.
ment relating to an act passed in the first year of Queen Klatt,. tb,
chapter one, shall suthorine or rendrr it lawful fur any person or per-
sons to alekun, hold, stand with, set forth, maintain, or defend the
authority, pre-eminence, power, or jurialletion, spiritual or embalm-
doe!, ur auy foreign prbice, prelate, person, state, or potentate,
within the United Kingdom of ()real ltiiWn and Irelmid, nor shell
the same extend further than to the repeal of the part kulgr p. aslant
and punbibments tlwrein referred to, but in all tither respeetw the
law shall continue the same m if this enactment had net been made.
. .

Sir It. li. INGLIS begged to ask the Chairmen whether
the amendment of the hon. baronet which he had just read
was the question Wore the house ?
Mr. BERNAL said that there was a previous amendment
to be taken into cinsideraion, which had been already
printed in the votes.
Mr. LAW complained of the course which was followed
of proposing long verbal amendments in committee without
plicing these amendments distinctly before members by
printing them in the votes of the day. The hon. and learned
member having referred to the votes, proceeded to express,
his objection to the amendment; and whilst the Attorney-
General, Mr. Walpob, and other hon. members, were dis-
cussing the subject, the hour of sis arrived, at which the
house stood adjourned.

ELECTION COMMITTEES.—Ye,ThunsY.
Dunims.—The discussion on the genuineness of tho
poll books wu terminated yisterday, by a d‘ cision of the
committee affirmative of their validity. An imilication was
then m de on the part of the sitting member for p. r.oksion
to revise them. This RAI refused, after which the committee
adjourned to this day.
LElCeterEst.—This committee terminated its labours
yesterday, by resolving that Sir Joshua WalaWey and
Richard Gardner, Es.' , had not been duly elected.

P.IRLLI IENTAftYDIVISIONS.

HOUSE OF LORDS.-IRISH POOR LAW.

lifisoarry of 27 to 23 who voted against the Earl of Luean'e motion
for a e immittes to inquire into the oornitian of the Irish Poor Lan
Ads, relative to the ratiugol immediate lessors :
utus linvon Stafford Campbell
Leninist Fabian utatora Cotu•nlam
111.4111411.3 Fortmitue Ilereford 'Wimp
Clanricarite limy Illartchotter Saye mat nk•
Lan.doa se Granville retertionstah Stutri du De-
Northampton Huntingdon iOlitill 114,
I.IILA Blotto Arundel Sudeley
Auckland Scarborough (Saw).
netsnut (nigh Natant

Zit, Oppretifi.

MAILS.

me mails for British North Ainerica, and like Vnited States,
will be made up an the evening of the 2nil June.
The West India Mails, including lernskl.la, Natant, Havanna,
llonillost, New laical., Vera rrtte, Turnincet, end Porto lam, and
ruining' Chum fur Madelra, Jecinel, Carthagen i, edits Martha,
Charm, Panama, West Coast of south America, and St. Jeamile.
N lea:ague, will be male up on the mei ning al tar 2nd June.
The mails Mr the Uremia, tie lever Plate, Monk Veko, Pleven.
bum, liable, Madeira, and Buenas Ayres, will te made up an the
evening ul the 3rd JUR°.
The mull• for Vlgo, upset., Lisbon. Modena. CAM, and Gibeallite
will be made up .in the morning of the 7th June.
The orerhind clo•t,' mails, es. Marseilles, to the Mediterranean,
Kgypt. Aden, Veylise, India, Ilueg.lining, he., will be made up on the
evening of the 7th June.
!Ike overland mans lug Gibraltar, Malta, °ream, the leedan islands,
V.gypt, Aden, Ce)lon, laha, flompliong, and China, rag *MUM:Up-
ton, will be made upon the morning of the 20th June
The maths fur New south Waits, Van iiieniarea Land, and New
Zealand will be made up on the evening of the .10th June.
The nema foe the Mire Gest of Africa and Martin: will be mule
lip on the evening ol the jeth June.

, JUNE 1, 1818.

A pills' s/ wags Iziahnienwhish an tog-
ought, to,diadsin to handle. The Shaun never
the snepen of the bandit it the cut-
Alen the solos said the arm anpowerful,
no daggers in I foe and a ti.inking country.
voice of the intelligent, and the arm of the
; cannot command a hearing for grievances,
assassination wholesale, or menaced, that will
command or entorce attention. The peaceable, the
industrious, tho moral and religious, form the im•
memo majority of the country t and that majority will
sot be put down by any band or legion of reales§
criminals, whether inoculated by Irish ruffianism, or
continental madness.

Tim Lords have proved themselves to be for once
wiser than their brethren ef the Commons. A motion
for a committee of inquiry into the working of the Irish
poor law, similar to that which not long ago was re-
fused in the lower house, was carried by a majority of
six in the upper house on Tuesday last. Ministers
vainly attempted to thwart the purpose of those by
whom, of all parties and opinions, it was supported;
and fortunately for the interests of country, though
unfortunately fur their own reputations, they were
outvoted on a division.
The specific terms of the resolution thus adopted
are of comparatively little consequence. It virtually
opens up the entire question of the maladministra-
tion of that excellently well-intended and essentially
necessary law. Far from tending to defeat or weaken
the sound principle it contains, we are persuaded
that nothing will contribute so potently to render
its true benefits thoroughly appreciated by those
who have nut had personal opportunities of
observing its operation ; while, on the other hand,
by exposing the perversity and priggery by which it
has hitherto been deprived of its due share of general
confidence and popularity, some chance will be
afforded of a gradual if not immediate change of
eande in its administration.
In truth, it is high time that nettle steps of this
kind should be taken. As was justly said by Lord
STUART Lilt Deeirei, in the debate of 'I ut aday evening,
nothing for many years had occurred to give
so strong an impetus to repeal among the wealthier
and better educated classes of the community in lie-
land as the rash and overbearing vote of the House
of Commons refusing all inquiry. The law has been
rendered odious and hateful by the insolence and ig-
norance with which it has been administered. Huard
after board of guardians have vainly striven to have
their most reasonable and rightful requests attended
to; but they have been met almost invariably
with neglect, or a reprimand from official
cuxcombry, until, worn out with fruitless con-
troversy, the best and worthiest men in the
country have been inducA to withdraw them-
'elver from all participation in the working of the
law, and the rest have been drummed out by the com-
mand of the generalissimo of the grand army of com-
missioners.
The lust and most notable proof of this is the
rumoured, if not formally published, withdrawal of
the Duke of LEINSTER from the chairmanship
of the board of guardians in the union where he
resides. The-re c .nnot be a more amiable man or a
better resident landlord ; and it must be of the very first
importance to enlist such men in Ireland in the local ad-
ministration of the law. Yet here is a man of large pro-
perty abject t *the rates imposed, and ha, ing, therefore,
the strrmgest motive in seeing that they are justly
expended,—a man of great experience of the wants
and feelings eef hie fellow-canto men, and therefore
peculiarly qualified to deal with their require-
ments,—a man of high personal worth and
honour, aed therefore wholly above any mise-
rable suspicions in the discherge of such
duties ; and yet tuch a man is to be twitted and
snubbed, and made to feel 'tie position as the chairman
of his own union board intolerable because, forsooth,
Mr. Twlst.terote has been seat to Ireland, and is sus-
tained in deputy absolutism there, not for his accept-
ability to the Irish people, but because he happens to
be a pet of a certain section of the English cabinet
We must, however, do the pews connected with Ire-
land the justice of saying, that few if any allusions
were made in the recent discussion to any personal
topic*. Better and manlier statements than those of
Lords FITZWILLIAM and MoNTEAGLE we have seldom
read. You have waste lauds " said the former, "at
one end of your empire, and waste hands at the other;
why will you not even try to make the one useful by
means of the other P There was no answer to give,
and so ministers went through the same economical
econmunplaces about melt-reliance tied gradual
progress towards eventual improvement, anti letting
things alone—which, in reality, simply signifies
letting ifcivernment alone. Lord GREY moreover in-
dulged in a short homily on the great advantages
likely to be derived from tranquillity, order, end the
security of property, which, with a bold stretch of
prophetic imagination, he declared was now at length
achieved. We would it were, or that we
could cherish a faint hope that even now
any one of the inveterate causes of social
discontent and disorganisation were in progress of
removal. But it is not so. Absenteeism, in-
security of tenure, eceleeiastieal monopoly, perver-
siou of justice in the jury-box, and though last not
least, the despotic and most mischievous abuse of the
poor law, are all likely to remain unchecked and un-
mitigated for anything that parliament is likely to do
to the contrary. We are as staunch believers in the
wisdom at d duty of self-reliance as any one, but we
know that there are hundreds of thousands of
willing hands in Ireland that are unable to
find work to do ; and to these we shudder
at the mockery of preaching self-reliance,
when toot a chance is likely to be therewith afforded
them of benefizial employment. We are as fast
friends to peace and order as need be ; but we cannot
cry peace, peace, where there is no peace; and where,
so long as the legislature insists upon keeping things
as they now are it is wholly impossible that there
ever can be.

ALL men are prone to speculation, which, when
directed by knowledge and controlled by judgment,
becomes in the forms of industrial enterprises the
origin of individual and national wealth. And such
speculation is in the main the result of calculation.
But the spirit of speculation wrongly directed is a
fertile source of private and public evil. It is simply
gambling. For the sake of great prospective advan-
tages, real or imaginary, men will make present
sacrifices, and in so doing they will overlook any con-
ceivable amount of coatingenews which may interpose
to prevent the realisation of their hopes. Each has
so much confidence in his own good fortune, that if his
chance be but as one to hundreds or thousands, he
will mill indulge in sanguine expectations of suc-
cess. This feeling has led to the establishment of
lettcvies, which have afforded governments a certasn
but noxious engine of taxation, and have produced
deplorable moral results. In this country we have
got rid of government lotteries, but little-goes in
the form of " Derby sweeps," and land lotteries, are
I still prevalent. In the laud lottery department Mr.
Fesitoes O'CoNeoe is the presiding genius. He
preaches chartism to create subscribers to his land
scheme, which he affects to believe will improve
the condition of the working classes. A more fella-
Mous scheme was never offered to the acceptance of
the working classes. There arc persons, professing
to understand Mr. O'CONNOR'S land scheme, who
eharga Lim with something worse than being the per-
severing advocate of an empiricalsocial remedy. But into
each charges we have not the means or the inclination
to enter. We have, however, from time to time
looked at the Northern Star to see if we could obtain
any information as to the working of the plan, and
we confess all reference to it there seems to be of the
most vague and dreamy character. All seems to de-
pend upon an ignorant personal reliance on Mr.
O'Cosswit.
The scheme, ea our readers know, consists of an
alleged company--which, however, has and as
the law stands can have, no legal existence—with a
capital of 100,000 shares of 11. 6s. tech ; and every
subscriber must have two, and not more than four,
shares, consequently the highest contribution any indi-
vidual can makeis 31.45., for which he has the chance of
obtaining by ballot four acres of land, with a cottage,
and buildings thereon, and 301. in money, at a rent
equivalent to five per cent. per annum " upon all the
capital expended in completing the allotment." This
amounts to from 3501. to 4001., and the rent is there-
fore nearly or quite 'a. per acre. Now, passing the
lottery part of the scheme, and not pausing to inoire
for how ninny years each subscriber has a chance of
waiting for his land prize, let us see what are the pro-
mises held out, and what are the prospects of per-
formance.
In the Northern Star of the 20th of May we find
the following notice to correspondents, signed by
FUNGUS CYCONNOR

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