The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-29 00:00:00

IMPEItIAL PARLIAMENT.

NOUSE OF LORD&—TarupAy, APRIL: 28.

The Leap Cmaxcaz.Los teak Ida seat at 5 o'clock.
PETITIONS PRISENTED,

DIXAIIILITIZ/I BILL—By the Esrl of ENNIS-
KILLEN, from Bradford; the Earl of DERBY, from 93
gloms; the Earl of SHAFTESBC,ItY, trona five places ;
and the Bishop of OXFORD, from the Dean and Chapter
tet Weetmiaster ; against.'
MAIN.)4.III.—By the Earl of DERBY, from several
places, against.
01.11,11,10 P•LACI Bt'NUA.YIII.—By the
Marl of DERBY, from several places; and the Earl of
BIIAFTESBt:EY, from nine Pleems against,:
(C•NADIL) BILL.—By the Earl of
DERBY, from Stirling, Lialitlagow, Ross, Ediuburgb, and
other places in Soothed, against.
THE ROYAL ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.
The Duke of NORFOLK. (E.rl Marshai) appeared in
uniform, and read Mr Majesty's most gracious answer,
thanking their lordships for their loyal and uutiful address
of congratulation on the birth of a prince.
CLERGY RESERVES (CANADA) BILL.
The Earl of DERBY, on presenting petitions against this
bill, said that after the lengthened it-hate, still entertaining
all the objections which he had held to the bill, ant seeing
all the injury which might result from it, be did not intend
to give their lordships soy further trouble about it, or to
seek to alter th.• determination to which they had arrived on
the subject. (hear, hear )
On the motion that the bill be read a third time,
The Earl of WICKLOW said that when the bill wee in-
troduced it contained another clause which repealed the
guarantee clause of the constitutional act of 1840. On going
Into committee in the other house, a noble lord who had
charge of the bill said that there wit a contract implied as to
that clause which subsequently was introduced by Sir R. Peel
to satisfy the scruples of the Archhishop of Canterbury.
The best supporters of the government objected to this 3rd
clause and divided the house upon it; but the government
carried it against their friend,. A right hon. gentleman
contended that the removal of the clause would be unjust;
and upon the third reading the noble lord said that he had
consulted the officers of the crown, and had discovered that
the clause would be Inoperative. tinder those circum-
stances the right hon. gentleman withdrew his opposition,
and the bill came up to their lordships' house with the 3rd
clause omitted. The noble duke, us moving the second
reading of the bill, said he considered that the clause in the
act of 1810 continued in force as much an ever. If that
were so, there appeared to be some discrepancy between the
noble duke and the noble lord in the other house. The de-
ficiency would be but small, 7,700!. fur the church of Eng-
land and 11401. for the church of Scotlaed, but he waked
to know if the bill before the house was read a third time,
would the Consolidated Fund be responsible for the deld
ciency that might take place in the Canada clergy reserves ?
Perhaps it would bo better to take the opinion of the
judges on the subject.
Lord REDESDALE wished to know whether the noble
duke would have any objection to the introduction of a
clause into the bill to put the rights and dues of the church
of Rome on the same footing, with regard to the protection
afforded by the set of 1840, as the clergy reserves would
have under this bill. He should be glad to see each a
clause introduced into the bill, although he did not want
to make it • party question. Suppose in the nest session of
the legislature of Canada, a proposition should be made for
the secularisation of the protestant clergy reserves, the best
way of meeting such a proposition would be to move to ex-
tend the same provision to the dues and rights of the church
of Rome, and that those dues and rights should stand in
the same position as the protestant church. This would be
but just, inasmuch as the tithes were taken from the pro-
testant church, on the ground that the clergy reserves were
to supple the place of those tithes.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said that with regard to
the question put to him by the noble earl, he thought he
should be able to satisfy him that he war under a stoma-
motion as to what had fallen from his noble friend in the
other house of parliament, and that there was no discre-
pancy at all between his statement on the third reading of
the bill in that house and the statement which be (the Duke
of Newcastle) had made to their lordships on the woad
reading of the bill in that house. Ile th 'light there was
some misapprehension as to the clause in the Act
of 1840, and he believed it would be as applicable
if they omitted the clause which was originally
in the present bill. The statement which he made on the
second reading was that which he believed to be correct,
and he would then repeat it; it was that the guarantee
clause introdueed into the act et 1840 would have precisely
the same power and effect, so far as legislation was tow
cemed, after the passing of this bill, as it had at the present
moment, except so far as in the minds of any individual
members of their lordships' house who might consider then
was a renter probability of the secularisation of these re-
serves by the legislature of Canada than there would have
been by the imperial legislature. The clause was intro-
duced by him' originally under the apprehension which
seemed now U. prevail with his noble friend, namely, that
when it was originally introduced by the Archhishop of
Canterbury, there was no chance of the fonds falling be-
low the amount specified by that guarantee. But such was
net, it was perfectly clear, the apprehension of the
moat reverend prelate at that time, otherwise for
what purpose was that guarantee introduced ? It
was introduced under the masanprehension, that by some
means, possibly the mismanagement of the property, the
funds might fall below the specified amount then remised.
No other possibility was contemplated when that guarantee
was introduced ; and upon ascertaining the circumstances
ander which that guarantee was introduced, and that there
was that apprehension at that time, the government came
to the conclusion that it would be wrong by specific mut-
meet to repeal the guarantee, which was considered a nur-
sery and valid security against a sudden deficiency.
Against that contingency that guarantee would be r effec-
tive now, if this bill passed without the clause omitted in
the other house of parliament, as it would be under any
circumstances whatever (the clergy reserves remaining on
the same footles as at present, with this exception, that the
authority. over them will be given to the legislature of
Canada Instead of the Imperial Parliament)—the clergy
reserve., remaining is the same position, that gua-
rantee would have the masa, mod no other, effect if the
fund should fall below that amount. But, by
the opinion given by the law Wines of the croons, if those
reserves should ever be emalashod. lbereby nativist; the
condition on which that
_golonness was given then un-
doubtedly with those eamilibms the gmermase itself would
fall, and the funds of this oweatay_ 7111.1111 met be memorable
in the shape in which We noble sappensd. In the
event of the reserves being isambritsd, Owe would under
the set of IMO, Mas Mager say seessfey St 4.Sllency
being made up km the ha& at this easalay t neither
would there, if the was coat lock Cr wader Ss opera-
tion of the act of the imperial! . As to the ques-
tion which had Men petto him his noble friend opposite,
he certainly sheep*Web Is thr et way words
into this bill weds as he semimmeadlumly sad tre Sew sob
ions: in the Int piss, he thought that the elle& of this
bill, and the enactment of it, wen et soaks character that
it would not be desirable to faredmia into it what
he might sag alien metier. Hs was most &boss that this
Ili sloop ge Se the *drag et Commis as s less sambned
by thio eseatry at tbeir regales, sod as a bora earning
Lesto that saw. He shoal& greatly regret its bin
t:red by any oe which, ma the ems head, might
:Slto set ass dent et raligiesisto sabot another ; sad
otere slissid he he mists Sit ft Ateald not go an
leg with it d* impends. that Obey &sag& it useresery at
preside aims severity the= tree essralso of the will
mad Weeds& of die es that they
*NOM It PottllsarY psi mmt itimitswiselarbaties of the
sables et the established shame it Begird in Canada to
pat the rights and dais et the lies& sathelic Church as a
abbe &apt. wit& IL ' baited that he had
se whit Weaver rut the Naha and dose at
tha Ream lathe& shards oliesid Mad at a diftwint
footing Ie the which tdits shay zsesnes wee* saw
the paring of bit bill. He Mk* agreed with the =hie
lord, that it would be utterly -wins the
which he had taken in the dramelem la thst lone, andt
principle of the bill itself, that wash should be the cam.
On Monday might the noble earl make (Derby);T
an 00l
opinion, midi whisk he aftertr.said he set saw
clamed, that the peebeion requirieg attain acts lbe
Canadian logislalmo to be placed se like table he thirty
days before the await et the crows IMO fille to them, was
one which entailed great laeonvemisals, sad was ef very
little um.z a Its had me &nabs the *obis earl was eapseming
t
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provision did net emend =6:111111•No and
to the rights wad does ed the dinsit in
Canada, bat
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-with by I& nadian bedsitters I emit** sae* would be
this. that esmaidebble dabs obis ebbed &the Osismist-
Ow, as to which nem of the Cuba. issidatasedid esM
s *biz the beanies of this provides, sad whit it did mot,
aid ha was met snub that la tom a alisimostasesa niftier
ha. 4 ass hiss nada as this wigs& This being We 'blab
he iiiteeld et a seavemisat time imbibe a bill fas the paw-
pa,. bet he amid ant uplift say &Weeks tier.
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dime if I. deny aseadallsedisa either by the
Camad.loo_psddannet or des pordanant Of this oniony des
sum about/ hi haw the vocals.' ansooti them die inn
would c ewe to ban Tbst was under the anon,
law. Hr did an thine Voillusold lad a eines andloas
in the art toile** don The language of tba ass
was, that if at ay Ines the *meld fall below the
aided amount hootosy anon, lot merely from
tins, bat from ay core, ths Consolidated land of this
country was liana.
Earl 01111 T amend his noble Woad that if he thought
with him that the goaranass fang would be a burden an
the people of this nanny, las shoal object to the bill as
much as ha did. They had, however, the opines of the
law officers a the mews that it would asu have that drool,
and besides a portion of the reserves had bees sold, and Out
of the proceeds a sun was actually is yielding a..suut
which was roan than sulleleat to save this Manny 'non
being called on to auks good any deficiency.
Alter a few words from Iced RADZIIDLIJI the bill was
read a third tilos.

REGISTRATION OP ASSURANCES BILL.
Oa the report of this MD being brought up,
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved to add a clause
Ovine, rwe endorsed, tioa to the clerks in en
sag which weld be by the bill.
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&probe:Wow with "teal be that bed fallen from him ow a
know asp of this suf. Is wooosofol that he said he agreed
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