The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-28 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 28, 1848.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TnuitsDAT, JULY 27.
he Br Hanka took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINE:is.
REPORTS CONSIDEKED. Cli rkenwell Improvement; East
Anglian Railways (haly and Huntingdon Railway, extension of time,
&c.): Huddersfield Improvement (Ne. 2): Bills.
LOUD,' AM EN DM ENTS CONSIDEKEIP.—tirest Northern Hail-
way (I4e of Ayholuie extension); Great Western Railway (branch
from Slough to Windsor); London, Brighton, and South Coast Rail-
way (Linton-bridge and New Cress -tationv, &el; Midland Hall-
way (Gloucester and Sionehoteve )unett.in); Whitelsaven and Furness
Junction Railway '...xtensim or deviation line from bilecroit to lox-
field, *.c.) ; Bills.
PUBLIC BUSUIES&
PETITIONS.—By Mr. FOIMTlilt, from the board of guardians at
Berwick, against the Poor-'aw Union Charges Hill.—Mr. WAKLEY,
from tilouceiitevahire Surgical AavOidatitin, complaining of the charter
of the. Celleire of Surgeons, and praying for a modification of it;
other petitions from oilier medico bedi-s to the same etfect; from
tho Friendly S +fifty, complaining that after having been en-
rolled for thee, years, on making an alteration in their rif e-s, they
were told they could not be ennOed, end the result wim, that the
money they had nibe.Cl ibed to inaintain them when out of work
tbn
was
entirely ut the merry of their trustees, and ',raving for an altera
in the law In their favour from traders and shopkeepers, and others,
praying for the abolition of the Palace Court, and another petit/CU la

Wear of the people', charter (plan not stated); also a petition Kingstown at 6 yesterday afternocn. He had assured him (Sir
wen the Sale of tiered 13111, and from astownie.' In favour of 10. Grey) that he brought no deepatehes for any private pereon.
parliamentary reform; from the Final:rue y National Charlie mends-
non, cony... Mine that noun and the other chartist& now meaning - -
No government messenger whatever came over by the mil
imprisonment for a misdemeanor were wean a. man., soil, in j,,,,, steamer ; but he (Sir G. Grey) was neared that an hon.
wore like wild beast. than Bute
Welts -Me 111:11E, tram ate member of that house-the mesa er for (he believe i Turners
Greg, a and at the late eleelloß fur Nese-one-nein-Lyme, -had come by her, and that up to the time ut teething not
complaining of corrupt practices in that borough, no pneying that ft one word had reached hie ears of any such report as that
miebt lit included in any bill for inquiring into ',itch practices in other which hal been published. (Hear.) He would only add
boroughs on a future day, and ee wake u WOIBBI ea the:menet.
-Mr. tetteleoN, from the board of the congregational minion,. that be should certoinly use his beet eodeavours to trace the
renting In and about the cities el heed :a and Weetnioster, • no authors of a report which appears dto have been fahricaten for
b:ing ut the Congregational Library, DianneM. goon einibure, wicked and malicious purposes. With reference to the defences
66r.tirtft the earliamentary grant for the [intern Donum t;oth M Eng- of Ireland he might mention that in the last despatches of
.0 d and Ireland. the Lord Lieutenant he stated that he had received intimation
Cattaftri et....4.-num, Sce., Duties; Payment of Debts out of
Real beam; Comsbulary Force (Ireland); Milton [treed etescrvas i
a, the last moment that Sir C. Napier's squadron, which had
been detained by westerly winds, h..d arrived at Cork, Red
tion; Reptedeictive lean Fund In...tauten (Ireland); Juvenile
had brought a welcome reinforcement to our troops in Ire-
Molders (Ireland); Land Tax Commuseionene earns; Regent's-
tiudeont t olonnade; bale. land-troops upon whom, he was sure, the utmost reliance
a IllieD fteADING.-Ecclesiaatleal Unions and Divieions of Pa• might be placed, in despite of all the imputatians to un-
ebbe,' (Intend) MO. werthily.crot upon them.
Loans' AMEADMENTO cm:slum:ED. - edministrution of
Justice On. 2) nal. Mr. .
ADDITIONAL SIGNATURES TO PETITIONS.had beengiven, wish, d to
HAMILTON, in cennexion with the subject on
which this most satisfactory re ply h.
RR. .
put a question to her Majesty s go, romnt. it evtd-
Mr. CARDWELL broueht up a paper couteiniteg eever..l
dent that it a partial outbreak occurred anywhere it. Irelat
additiored signatures to be attached to the petition he pra•
it was the duty of every, eye su ip
rented the other day from Liverpool praying fur • similar 1 I I ' cud her Majesty maw in this
inereure fur the protection of that town ea had been passed country to put himself. at the command of the government,
In Ire land, and tweeted tu the Speaker as to the couree to in order to. repress disturbances. lie would therefore ask,
was it the wish of the government that Irish gentlemen and
lie pursued, inemhen of parliament should leave this country and go to
The SPEAKER stated the signatures could not be re-
their respective counties, there to use all their influence in
ceived without a heading, and the hon. member had better ring wit/1 mai
return the list of names to his constituents to have a heading secuntaining the public peace? (Hear, h_e.ar )
Sir G. GREY said several persona had called upon him in
Mulled to it.
MISCELLANEOUS ESTlMATES.theirpower to maintain tran-
the mune of the day, to state that trey were anxious to
render every aseistance isi
I.
rail
.
Mr. V. Shl I-I 11 moved that tl.e select committee on mis.
quillity in Ireland; and although he leanly )•• I. • the in-f
cel.anenus experalittere hose power to report their mieton
formation published that evening to be totally destitute o
together with minutes of evidence to the house. The Motion foundation, yet, consul ring the excited state of many tac-
w as weed to and the report presented.
POOR LAW UNION CHARGES (No. 2) BILL. tions of the country, he did Week that thelemen
Irish
teontbe re
of weight, character, mod usefedness could not
The order fur resuming the adjourned debate on the second
rending of this bill hiving been read,do so without difficult was authoriaed to
than repa.r to theie re epietne Counties, and in order thatr
they might . y, he
Mr. RICE spoke in favour of the bill, and stated several
shim that his noble friend, the first mineeter d the crown,
instences of the souse referred to by Mr. C. Buller, of pro- '
would not proceed with the Irish Landlord and Tenant
picture of agricultural parishes throwing their poor on the
'bendy overpauperised town pariehen. If they distributed Bill (Hew hear.)
the expenditure over the whole union the landlords, instead
pp .A. F • • - Sir BROKE hoped the srovernment had adopted pro-
of clearing their estates of the labourieg p,pulation, would ti on
te: have a tut icient quantity of arms an I ammuni-
tion put into the hands of peaceable and well-disposed
find it to be to their interest to retain them and provide for
their accommodation. He was aware that there were many people. The loyal population were destitute of any arms I,
whieever
who advocated a national rate, but there was nothing more
Mr.
who had
G. ROBINSONsaid he had seen the member for
absurd or impracticable than a rate for the ssupportof the "1 TOW
poor *preen equally over the whole country ; though it was ip „. departed from Templemore yesterday
here pH was quiet.
poasibie that this establishment charges might safety be '
Sir UR:R GEY, in corrolouration of what he had beiore said,placed on some other description of property than the poor
observed that a copytelegraphic of a de.natch from L ver-
rates. He hoped the house would nut refuse to pass a meat- peaol had into his heeds - •
just been putin reply fns minim
sure no necessary, and so useful to the country. he had sent down to the mayor, requesting him to inquire
Mr. R. PA LNIEB. took exception to severel details of the
particulars of Messrs. Widmer and Smith as to how the
measure, particularly those reletiag to vagrants and iiremo.
message came into their hands. Messrs. Willmer sod Smith
veil. s, and to the establishment charges. Ile had learned
Mahal that as agents for the Mammy Chronicle a despatch
from the right hon. gentleman in Private that he intended
to withdraw some portions of the bill, end if he intended it had been put into their hands by a uholriver lettween 6 and
7 o'clock that morning, purporting to ho a despatch teem
should muss this genital he would certainly do well to limit it
Mr. Conway, of the D blin Evening Poste, " by special
cons'elerably. lie opposed it on the grounds so ably urged
favour of her Majesty's messenger," which contained the
on Friday last by the boo. member fur Oxfordshire, but
information in question. (Laughter.)
would not object to go into committee.
Mr. C. BULLER, in explanation. observed that what he Mr. HERBER r asked whether the government intended
to postpone the Landlord and Tenant Dill for that night, CT
said to the hon. gentleman in pi Matt he did not intend fur
for the session ? lie confcased he bad heard with great die-
the ear of the house. But the hon. gentleman was mistaken
satisfaction and regret that it was intended to postpone it at
in supposing that he (Mr. Buller) had expressed an inten- HI
tion of withdrawing any part of the bill. What he had said '
J, RUSSELL said he would postpone the bill for a
was, that he had so framed the hill that if the house should
fortnight, and then, if he found that bah members were
agree to the principle respecting vagrants and irremovable%
unmabrieltfo' arm!, he should postpone it altogether. .
that portion of it which related to establishment charges
might, if objected to, be struck out without injury to the .M.J. 0 CONNELL said the government might as
well postpone the bill altogether as postpone it for a fort-
measure. night
Captain PEC HELL 6110f6Isted that as the right hon. pen- ~,.. ‘ ~5,...
would
:s., e...x (at a subsequent period) suggested that it
Menton WIT prep teed to abandon several parte of the hill- be better to postpone the bill altogether until next
(" Nu," hon Mr. C. Buller)-it would be much better to "" .
:“
withdraw it altogether and introduce a more effective bill *
L ,I'll J. RUSSELL said, if it were the wish of the Irish
next year. In fact, the bill was so inconsistent in its details
members, he should offer no objection to that proposal. .
that much dissatislaction *ousel be caused by to operation.
Mr. MO. NSELL entreated the noble lord to rem:enfld. r
The right hon. Gentleman had denounced private rates se a
.the question. It would create the greatest dissatistoction
(rnud upon the public, but he he leered that many cases Id-la tenant-farmers if the measure was postponed.
occurred in which the system was found to work well. It gumg
It they went on to-night, they might yet pas. the MR this
was said that since the right hon. r, ctleman entered his pre-
'coo
sent office the, had not been so much to complain of in the
'e'lfZevde rat. other, Irish members pressed
.. the came request.
working of the pour law. But what had he done ? Since he
Lot d RUSSELL said that, if in the Wee of the state-
had deposed the poor law c onmissiotters he hart only con-
mint already made as to the desire of the government that
Rented the order of the 24th of July, previously made by the
members should return to Ireland, he were to lir .pose.to go
commissioners, which directed that not more than two per-
me with thou bill, h.• should be puttiust those maniere en the
eons should sleep in the same heel-that an extra allewance
unpleasant potation either of nut doing what they considered
of dinner was to be given on Christmasolay-that no food
thew paramount duty, or of permitting this important mea-
was allowed to be brought into the house liv any friend of the
sure to he discussed and settled in their absence. On these
paupers, and that no newsp epee shuuld lie admitted. He
rounds he could not change his ince ntion of postponing this
eliould not wonder at the right hon. gentleman excluding the g
measure.
Nation ~r Irish Felon, or other 'Ohmmeter), journals,
but he could not mderstaud why, with hi. well kno en BRITISH AND AhIERICAN POSTAGE.
liberal opinions, he should deem it necessary to exclude Mr. DU ME asked if the goverment were prepared tot iy
newspapers of a loyal and moral character. ( Hear, hear.) before the house the correepondeuce between the British
!Mr. IL DRUMMOND regarded the bill as a tinkering and American governments relative to postue ?
measure., a bad mooting, and a bad thing-Ta laugh ) - The CHANCELLOR if the EXCHEQUER would only
which would effect no good, and dry up the to
of repeat the reply he had given on a former ccemion, that they
private charity. It was better to give a man 10A. aw. ek were not in a position to lay the correspondence in question
for tire shillinge' worth of work dove by himself and family, before the house.
than support them in the workhouse at the rate of 2. ed. SUGAR DUTY PAPER.S.
a head for doing nothing. The government would never be Lied G. BENTINCK asked if the Chancellor of the
able to carry out their poor-law bill. They destroyed the Exchequer intended to adhere to his figures in the sugar
original principle, and they could never by their tinkering duty papers?
substitute no pritietple lot a principle. There was a princi- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
ple in universal ratiog, and he would rather vote for that at on Monday he proposed to go into committee upon the amb-
iance then go on working by degrees u the government ject, and he would then state precisely the course lie intended
were doing. to adopt.
Mr. V. SMITH said that gentlemen who had already Mr. DISRAELI asked if the government would let them
spoken had &pelted themsel rather to the present poor have the schedule, settled as they intended to propose it, be-
kw than to the bill before there The hon. gentleman fore going into committee ?
who h d last spoken denounced thee.
Seehoue 'eastern, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was under-
as treating men like abstract ideas hut he did not hesitate stood to went,
to adopt much of their legislation. 'He was not prepared to MEASURES OF AMELIORATION FOR IRELAND.
vote for the amendment of the bon. gentleman the Mr. SCULLY wished to ask if it was propaed by her
member for Oxfordshire, became. he deemed it moat im - Majesty's government to give to Irish members, or to gentle-
portant to discus.% the details of the menure in men of peoperty and intim nee .in Ireland, any renewal of
coramittee. lie believed it most necessary to extend the the promise of them measure-a of amelioration which had
area of taxation, as he le laved a eiimilished ern gave rise been promised, but so continuously and contumaciously re-
to great evil, lie feared that if more pr ernes wa. net made !used by the house this session
with the bill, it would he 'wetter for his right hon. friend to Lord J. RUSSELLI deny the last allegation-(beer,
withdraw it. It was much to he regretted that for the tut heir)-but, with regard to the question itself, 1 have only
flee cessions of parliament they had been nibbling and date- to say that I consider it the first duty of the government at
bling with the law of removal. In the sesion of Itate, the the present moment to put down insurrection, and that we
right hon. gen.len.an, the: member for Rip in, then Secretary shall devote all our time and means to that object, and I can
for the Homo Department, had le ought in a new bill rive no furthe r answer to the hot:. gentleman. (Loud
directed to the nleject, which le. coneielere had worked opomition cheers.)
very tetchy, but with the exception of that measure nothing CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
had really been done upon a subject so important to he in. On the order of the day for the committal of this luill,
terests ot the poor. The selm t committee which eat
last Col. SIBTHORI' rote to oppose t. lie could till the
session had acted in a most extraordinary manner, with re- government that if they attemmed totaend their Collltßill.Boll
ference to this subject. Heaving agreed unanimou-ly to etr. to Liecole, and if they came to make inquiries in his house,
Min r solutions, they upon a subsequent day met and he would use very strong measures to turn them out.
agreed not to report their revolution to the house. He wished to know why ell the boroughs againet which
They did report however, but omitted the resole- leribery end treating bud been reported by the select com-
tions, and therefore no dependence could be placed mitten were no' included in the schedule-why were ten
upon the declared results of the. committee's delikers. boroughs to be shown up and eight others allowed to escape ?
Gone. With regard to the ea asure. immediately before the The tall would give a premium to perjury-it was an under-
house, he must my that he was in favour of a national hand way ot proceeding not to obtain facts, but to cstableM
reline, and against the parochial principle contended fir ht suspicion, mid. whether supported or neat he should feel it his
the hon. member the member far West Surrey. His only duty to take the sense of the 110 USC against every clause. He
objection to • national rate was the iMcMy of uollectg it. moved as an amendment that the haul! go into committee
Lie believed that the law of settlement was a curse t-, the that day three months.
country, and that the present system in that reelect cried Mr. ONSTRY seconded the amendment.
loudly for improvement. In cormlusioo, he 'suggested that The SOLICITOR GENERAL, in eupyrting the bill
it would be much better for his right hon. friend to with- said that it the hon. and gallant member could point out the
draw the bill, and to bring in a more comprehensive meat- case of any boroughs not now in the eche ' ule, in respect to
sure next seese..n. which corrupt practices had been specially reported, it would
Mn. BAN le ES reeornmerded the postponement of this lc proper to extend the inquiry to them. (Hear, hear.) The
most importaid measure until a future temion. Ile agreed sole object of the bill wag en mike inquiry into the allege-
with the hon. gentleman that it would be most dungenua to done of corrupt practices, in order to devise meuures to pre-
disturb the parochial principle which hail beeu established in vent the recurrence of such practices for the tuture. He
the country from tune immemorial. The last poor removal hoped
t ernment he houhour
in its end would go
eavour into
to ma committthe bill as effee, and unite wectiveith
bill had given great diesati.eation to the country, e govke
and no sooner lint it passed than petitions pourers as poesible forK
E its obspjoke in favour of the bill, which he
ect.
iii from all parte preying Tor its repeal. A mu- Ntr. PAC
defied measure was eubesquintly brought in, which thought infinitely preferablerera to there. asure of the I 00.
expired to the pre-tat year, and therefore it was quite ne- member for the lihs. ower, should pre-
ceasary that something neoulel be done. The que Paton then tier that the inquiry were made in all C 666•16 by committee of
was, whether the mote important ttatures of the measure the house.
were to be sanctioned in tae present session or not. He de- Mr. IL. PALMER asked whether the inquiry w.de not to
nied that the yeomen and farmers at England wero ae Uwe be confined to those boroughs in respect to which the ec.-
nee agitation. The y would renal and oppose a national eye tie
The SOLICITOR-GEn committees haul report
NERAL-ed genitally What he meant was,
1
for of rating. Ile believed that tee interests of the poor
would puller materially by such a system, or by any measure latch boioughs as the committee
toadh reported carupt p
which would to nd to Mere AV the area of ta.:ation. tic. i. had prevailed in, and as which they recommended
On the motion of Sir IL. WILLOUOUBT, ELI: debate was further inquiry.
adjourned till to-morrow (this doe ). Mr. HU ME said it was a question whether tire same vice
The house adjourned a' then o'clock till five, did tint pervade all boroughs, large and small, and whethi r
The house resumed at 5 . 'cluck, it would nut be better to pass tome general measure op-
RUMOURED REBELLION IN IRELAND. plicabie to all. Unless somettong was done before the next
Mr. NIONSELL wined to put a question with reference election hardly a single menthe r could hope to retain his
to a subject that lead greatly excited the metropolis during seat it any person thought pruner vexatiously to petition
the they. From ialormation which he himself and which against him. They ought to know to what s xtent condi-
other Irish members hod also receisml, he had reason to dates might go without being subject to the laws against
think that a more heartless mud dietraunul Imax-(cries of treioitte.
"11 ear, hear" ) —WWI never peep. trated ; end he hoped, Mr. ANSTEY thought the bit was objectionable, not
if nny Ote.ins were pomused by the government, they would . merely in detail, but in principle. lie therefore must juin in
nett finitude to net mee them, in order to pre vent the electric i this opposition to the motion for it committal. Then was
telegraph from Wing woo err such di-graceful purposes. we ettittne•ion made in the bill between those moo where
(Cheers.) lie omelet now only ask chat acenuela earl been the members have been unseated fur h•ihei y mut tees.: whore
received from Ireleed by the eeveftellient during the day) the teport has been that treating only hat uteri proved. The
Sir G. GREY sold he had great satisfaction in stating that real object of the bill was to set abide the decisions of those
he had every reason to believe that the alarming accounts committees which did not think further it quiry necessary,
which had been published of an insurrection and outbreak and to retry those cases which hod been atm ady tried, and
in the e ,uth of Ireland were totally destitute of foundation. I to deprive the constituencies and members of the boroughs
On seeing the first accounts, which were brought to him to which the bill was to apply of those exemptions from
about ten o'clock that morning lay the member for Stoke- further prosecutions, which, by the decisions of the election
upon-Trent (Mr. Ricardo), he had requested him imm• di- committees, they were entitled to,
ately to send ame tweet to the Mayor of Liverpoul, request. An HON. MEMBER here moved (eight o'clock) that the
ing to know what the information really yeas that had been ' house 'tumid be counted; but, there teeing above 40 vaunters
received by the 'ticket from Irelaud. In reply he re
present, the business proceeded.
intimation from the Mayer that a letter had beeo received fele. ANSTEY went on to allude to the provisions for ia-
by Messes. Willmer and Smith, news agents, purporting to deennity to witnesses. (Cries of " divide' divide".) The
be written by Mr. Conway, Millie Dublin Erening PO3i late house (exclaimed the bon. member) shall not divide ; I say
lest evening, stating thathe had just received from the Castle that in the spirit of prophecy. (Great laughter.) If a guilty
frightful news rat the outbreak of insure ection in the south of pony chose to come leeward and admit that he had given
Ireland-that it was in course of compositon-that he hoped bribe', he could not be punished :on the other hand, he was
it would appear in tint to save the mail-but that if it diet rewarded. He might ruin his dupes and disfranchise a
not, this letter, which was ,cut in a parcel in charge of e hoe ough, but was himself held harmless, whether hit evi
Queen's mes'enger, would be au intimation of what had ' deuce were time or false. Guilty parties h tel enly to add per-
occurred. About half an hour after, he (Sir G. Grey) re jury t r their o her crimes, by involving the constituency, and
ceived from the mayor a lurther cemmuniention, in which they could not be touched. This wee nothing less than a pee-
the mayor said that he was perfectly satisfied that the iii- eniu.o to false witnesses. By the IGth clause parties unwilling
formation in question was not authentic, as no other aeccunte to come forward were subjected to thepenalties heretofore ex •
had been received in Liverpool, and as the Earl of Clarendon biting, with the exception that witnesses examined before
would have sent over a message direct to the authorities at the committee or commissioners could not be made witnesses I
Liverp oh, or in cipher to the Home Secretary in on a prosecution against them. Whatever th , motive, the''
London had there been any foundation for the report. de et of this clause would be to take away from the public
The mayor added that too Queen's messenger had come by any security that might be left against corrupt Fanjets.'
the packet. Now, it was perfectly hue that a Queen's The clause relating to prolongd out a direct inducement
messenger,whom he (Sir 0. Grey) had pent to Dublin with ato the commissioners to tittle inquiries and multiply
copy of the Habeas Corpses
not
in Act, had returned to liminess, power being refereed to the Treasury, in whom use
town that day, but he c one not in the mail packet, but in a house had so little confidence, to make order for the pay-
tovemment steamer, which arrived at Liverpool at 12 last meat of extraordinary expenses to an unlimited amount.
night. That messenger left Liverpool at half-past six this The inquiries would probably be to a great extent ex parte,
mottling by an express train. He brought despatches from for such sea, the general character of the bill ; but no de-
the Lad Lieutenant, which certa'nly described the country eisione however unjus't, could be called in question
be
in the south of Ireland to in a oat excited state, but after six months. 11%1a was essentially a private toll, not-
which gave no inlication of the outbreak ofany insurrection. 1 withrtanding the enactment that it ehould be taken to be
The messenger in question came by a steamer, winch kit & public act; and this would give rise to a That amount of