The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-28 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P.

HOUSE OF LONDB.-FIODST, JULY 47.
The Bari of 131LATTailIIIIT (Deputy Speaker) took his
Net at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUBINEBB.
Oa the presentation of five petitions by the Earl of
FORTUCCI, Is favour of the bill foe the relief of clergymen
seceding from the established church,
Lord STANLEY raid that, without intending to offer
any otwervation upon the merits of the bill, he hoped that it
was sot tstesded to pass the bill during the present session.
No notice had been gives of the second reading of the bill,
sed it wee owe whkh required consideration and discussion.
Lord CAMPBELL said the bill was cot a govenuaent
means" sad thermos* he could not give any sassier to the
question of the noble lord opposite.
The Jedgmtate (Irelesd) Bill wee read • third time sad

The report ea the Poor Law Union Charges Act (Ire-
land) Amendment Bill was received.
On the motion of Lord Catmints, the Petty Bag Offices
Amendment Bill was read *third time and pared.
Lord LYTTELTON gave notice that on Tweday next he
should put a question to the noble marquis the President of
the Connell relative to the management clauses required by
this Committee of the Council of Education.
In answer to a question from the Earl of ELLEN nonocon
reepactiag _the disposition of the jewels and pries money
taken at Lahore,
The Marquis of LANDSDOWNE said that no details
bad been received from India 611 the subject, but it would
be satialnetoty to their lordships to hear that sa months'
batta had been Sinn to the often and men who had been
Gaped in the war in the Purplish.
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Toe Rad of ELLEN BOROUGH said that the statement
of the noble marquis, with reference to the allowance of sit
months' beats to the officers end men engaged in the Pun-
' jaub, mast, no doubt, be most satisfactory to every one of
chi it lordships It was the more satisfactory, because
many of the soldiers would now receive the bairn, who could
not by any possibility have shared in the Lahore prize
money.
BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM, in moving the third reading of this
bill, drew the attention of their lordships, in accordance
with a notice of motion which he had given, to the amend-
ments made by the Hones of Commons upon the Bankrupt
Law Consolidation Bill. The committee was composed of
barristers and mercantile men and persons representing the
great trading towns in Yorkshire. The dm thing which the
committee did was to objet to the form of the bill. He (L sd
Br ingbain) thought that the form of the bill was the best
for the suitor, for the prac. Blotter, and far the judge. The
committe • of the House of Ccnunona had opposed the princi-
ples of free ovation upon the bankrupt law by the amend-
ments which they had made to this bill. The bill when
sent down from their lordships' house contained originally
378 articles. The committee had object. d to the word
article, and inserted the word section instead ; they had
also shown such an oppesitlon to illOOTIli7ll as to
retain the old numerals, using X. fur twenty. (Laugh-
ter.) He meant to say for ten. He had numbered
the chapters of the bill, from 1 corsecutively, but the com-
mittee had altered the numbering in a most ins nvenient
manner. The House of Commons had struck out the
clause in the bill which referred to the secret and frau-
dulent transfer cf a bankrupt's property. That was a clause
to which mercantile men attached gra at importance, and he
did not think it would have been omitted if the legal autho-
rities had been able to attend the committee. The
don claws had been struck out of the bill by the committee
of the Howe of Commons; and they were sinuses, also, to
which persons engaged in trade and commerce attached
great importance. Ile would not jeopardse the bill by
opposing, at the present time, tho amendmenta of the
House of Commons. The pulite of Mai.cbeatcr were
opposed to the alterations made an this bill by the com-
mittee of the House of Commons, whilst the mer-
cantile people of London were of a different
opinion. He regretted that none of the bankrupt
commissioners had been examined before the committee of
the House of Commons. He regretted that such men as
Mr. Commissioner Holroyd, Mr. Commissioner Goulburn,
Mr. Commissioner Fonblanque, or some other of the learned
anramissioners had not been required to give their evidence
before the committee. The committee, although they bad
altered the clauses of the Bankrupt Law Consolidation Bill,
had se unity adopted the clauses of that hill iu the Bank
ruptcy (Ireland) Bill. When we were called to legislate
upon an important subject like this the same principle
ought to govern the bills applying to England and
Ireland. The House of Commons could rot accept
clauses for one bill and reject them for another bill when
both the bills were on the same subject—they could not be
black and white at the same time. The committee of the
H mos of Commons had gone through the 378 clauses of the
Bankrupt Law Consolidation 13,11 in a very short time,
giving about 35 minutes to the consideration of each clause.
If this was the way the 1,200 or 1,400 articles in his (Lord
Brougham's) Criminal Digest Bill were to be treated by a
committee of the House of Commove upon receiving the
report of the crininial law commissioners, it would be better
that the commission should be done away with, and the ex-
pense of it saved to the public. He now begged to
move that their lordships should agree to the amend-
ments of the House n 1 Commons to the Bankrupt Law
Consolidated Bill, wi'h the exception of the 0111i1.111011 of the
clause which was their lordships' third clause, and the
eighth clause in the Home of Comm ins, and that an schedule
1" A " annexed to the bill they should insert the word
" not." The noble and learned lord also moved the third
reading of the Bankruptcy (Ireland) Bill.

Lord CAMPBELL said that the greatest anxiety had
been shown by the communes of the House of Commons to
further tbc bill in every way. Tee bill had not been ne-
glected by the members et the legal profession, for, be-
sides the Attorney-General, the hon. and learned member
for Midburst (Mr. Walpole), whose great Went& would,
one day, obtain fur him the highest han..urs in his protes-ion,,
hail:devoted himself to the bill. He thought his noble and
learned friend had done well to move that the amendments
of the House of Commons be agreed to, subject to further
discussion on the bill.

Lord WHARNCLIFFB said that he thought it was
right that the amendments should be received, and altera-
tions could be made &est session.

The amendments of the House of Commons to the Bank-
rupt Law Consolidation Nil, with the two alterations pro-
posed by Lord Brougham, were then understood to be
agreed to.
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Lord REDESDALE, in presenting a petition from
the Clerk of the Enrolments to the Court of
Bankruptcy in Ireland, raid that the person from whom
he presented the petition was paid by fees ; the House
of Lords, by the Bankruptey (Ireland) Bill, had abolished
the office, whilst the Hues of Commons had not abolished
the office, but had dons away with the necersity of enrol-
ments. The petitioner, under these circumstances, prayed
that some compensation might be granted him.
Lord BROUGHAM said it was no doubt a very bard
ease, but their lordships could do nothing in the matter.
The remedy, if any, must be sought elsewhere.
The bill was then read a third time and passed.
DEFECTS IN LEASES ACT SUSPENSION BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM, in moving the second relining of
this bill, stated that itr object was to p much inconve-
nience and loss to parties, which would be occasioned were
the measure to which it referred carried into immediate
effect.

Lord CAMPBELL felt that te suspend that act would be
to suspend a most useful measure, but he would content
himself with this espreasiou of opinion, and not formally
propose the rejection of the bill.
The bill was read a second time.

ACCOMMODATION OF THE HOUSE.
Lord BEAUMONT brought up the report of the ram.
mitres on V e accunmodatiou of the house, which among

other things set forth, we did not colleci upon whosi
authority, that the reprten were quite satisfied with their
new gallery, and that the conmaittee accordingly recant-
meadad that a permanent gallery in the same position should
be erected.

The Railways Abandonment Bill was withdrawn.
PILOTAOB BILL.

Oa the here going into °maitre on this bill,
The Bari of BLLIINBOROUGH wished to know
whether there had been any communications between the
Trinity Board and the government as to the execution by
the board of the pogroms given to them by this bill. He de-
sired to know whether the Trinity Board intended to place
themselves voluntarily under the restrictions imposed on
them by the sctof Cleo. IV. As the bill stool the beard might
give a license to any person, belonging to any ship, trading
to any port ; whereas ender the existing law the
board could only grant licenses to persons who
had acted as pilots, r required by act of pediment. In a
mercantile point of view, the question was a most important
re. The noble lord then referred to a letter written to
Cork by Capt. Bewley, requiring a first-claw pilot pro-
ceed to Cowes, for the purpose of piloting the royal yacht in
which her Majesty is to be conveyed to Ireland, and en-
gaging from seven to ten on the arrival of the royal vessel on
the Irish comet. If this bill passed, and matters and mates
acted as pilots, it would be difficult to obtain the servioes of
a pilot under similar circumstances. It was impossible for a
man who proceeded on a long voysge to acquire the amount
of knowledge requisite to enable him to pilot a vessel effi-
ciently in the channel, and rivers. The practised pilot was
guided not by chart and compass, but solely by his eye ;
and without long and continued knowledge of the land, no
man could be qualified to perform the duties. No meta
could possibly attain such knowledge.

Lord BYRON thought this bill ought to have been galled
the " Steam Pilotage Bill." Had its ptovisioas boon in ae-
gordenes with that tali, it would have boon moot beneficial
and quit* unobjectionable.
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Earl TALBOT nos earred in the opinion that the opera.
Rion of the bill ought to ban been confined to steam-boats.
Earl GRANVILLE wished to state, in reply to the ques-
tion of the noble earl (Ellenborough), that the result of the
communications held with the Trinity Board, was a condi-
tion on the part of the government that the powers conferred
would be exercised with great caution and prudence. Under
the new law, the owner would be responsible for the conduct
of the penon who acted for him u pilot, instead of being
exonerated, u he was at present.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that while he
heartily approved of the loyal desire exhibited to provide
for the safety of her Majesty, it appeared to him to be not
unimportant to provide for this safety_ of her Majesty's
ships. (Hear, hear.) After all her Majesty could only sail
in one vessel, and the wish for nine pilots he could scarcely
undentaad. (Hest, hew.)
The bill then paw& through ormatitteLl _ I