The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-25 00:00:00

fore. (Hear, hear.) He quit* admitted the Grew of the
objections which bad been raised to the plan that had been
adopted. 113 confessed lie had some doubt about itethen
the vote came to the -Treassny, but understanding that it
was what the Homeonflice believed to be in accordance with
the recommendation of the committee he bad acquiesced in
the vote brio; bronchi is in that shape. He recommended
that the house should let the vote pass now, and before next
year be would to sub-divide and TIFILIFIDVHII it so as keep the
different item separate and distinct. (ear.)
Mr. V. SMITH said undoubtedly the information which
was afforded might be mat useful; but it wu utterly useless
when they were allowed no !means of availing themselves of
it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said, after the promise of the right hon. gen-
tleman e Chancellor of the Exchequer he should not
throw any th
further obstacle in the way of the 'Speaker leaving
he chair.
The house then went into committee, and the bill passed
,through.
The Railways Abandonment Bill, the Royal Pavilion
(Brighton) Bill, the Turnpike Acts continuance, &c., Bill,
and the Pilotage Bill, were severally read a third time and
paire
EAd.
LSEHOLD TENUREBILL. OF LANDS (IRELAND)
On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. LAW moved that it he committed that day three
months The object of the bill was to convert leasehold
tenure in Ireland into fee simple bye compulsory process upon
an alleged exigency expressed in the brief preamble of the
bill. He contended that such exigency did not exist; but that
the bill was colsuleted to inflict serious injury on a very
large bony of landowners in that country, and more espe-
cially to affect the interests of the Irish Society and to
interfere with their chartered rights. This bill materially
interfered with the exercise of the powers of the Irish
Society. Every item contained in the preamble, was not
only inapplicable, but the contrary was true as regarded the
Irish Society.
Mr. H. ORA.TTAN was inclined to support the amend-
ment. lie thought that before coming to an ultimate decd
*ion the house should have before it the charter of the Irish
Society.
Sir J. YOUNG said that the hon. and learned recorder
bad not been able to urge anything against the principle of
the bill, but had contented himself with claiming exemption
from its operation for the Irish Society. lie should cer-
tautly support the bill.
Mr. NEWDEGATE, seeing that many members who
took an interest in this question were not present, moved
that the debate be adjourned.
Mr. LAW complained that the second reading had been
taken after twelve o'clock at night. Ho had intended to
move that comes, I be heard at the bar previous to that stage
being taken; but being. exhausted with watching was un-
fortunately absent when the question was put.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said that the principle of
the bill was so generally conceded, that the only tbiog its
promoters had to feu was delay, and be felt satisfied tha•
unless by delay there could be nothing like a successful
resistance.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the motion for adjournment.
Mr. MONSELL supported the bill, which he said was
most anxiously looked for in the south of Ireland.
Mr. NEWDEGATE withdrew his amendment, but at the
same time expressed his opinion that the Irish Society had
not bad a fair hearing.
Mr. LAW also withdrew his amendment, and the house
went into committee on the bill.
On the first clause,
Mr. FRENCH moved as an uundmentthat words should
be inserted, giving the lessor power to convert leasehold to a
perpetual tenure, if he think ht.
Mr. LAW supported the amendment, his objection to the
measure being its compulsory character.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL contended that no injus-
tice could be done by compelling the lessor to convert the
tenure for lives into a perpetuity, the lessor having no more
interest in the property than the owner of a quit rent. The
real interest in the property.was vested in the lessee. who bad
the right of renewal from time to time. It would be as rea-
sonable to say that the lord of the manor in England was
the owner of the property which belorged to the cohold
tenant, as to say that the imam of those properties Ireland
in respect to which the lessee bad the perpetual right of re-
lies's], was the proprietor. The lessor was entitled to certain
advantages in the shape of fines on renewal, and for theta it
was proposed to compensate him.
The amendment was negatived.
Sir R. FERGUSON moved the omission of the words,
" And every such grant and counterpart shall be prepared
by the owner by whom the grant is made."
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL suggested that an amend-
ment to carry out the object of the hon. gentleman should
be proposed on the third reading, as to press it now mieht
seriously interfere with the progress of the bill.
Sir D. NORREYS thought as the chum stood, unless the
landlord was willing to make the grant, it w,.uld be impos-
sible to obtain it.
Sir R. FERGUSON intimated his intention of taking a
ivision on his amendment, either now or on the third

reading.
Mr. F. FRENCH hoped the words would be omitted at
once.
After some further coneerestioe, the SOLICITOR-
GENERAL consented to the omission of the words, inti-
mating that, if he should afterwards think it necessary to do
so, he would move to re-insert them on the third reading.
The words were accordingly struck out.
Sir J. GRAHAM asked whether the clause did not differ
from the Church Temporalities Act, in regard that it did not
make it compulsory to turn their leasehold holdings into Le
farm rents ?
Sir R. FERGUSON observed that, under the Church
Temporalitha Act, the tenant applied and obtained the per-
petuity ; if he did not apply he held for 21 years, his tenure
being. in that cue, renewable as before. It was the same
thing here.
The SOLICITOHGENERAL admitted that the clause
was open to the objection advancei by the right hon. baro-
net. He admitted that this was a defAt in the bill, but he
saw no means of avoiding it.
Sir J. GRAHAM wished to know if the rams option was
given as in the Church Temporalities Bill.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL should not like to pledge
himself on that poi.nt without seeing the Church Tempora-
lities Act, but he believed the same option was given in both
cases.
Sir J. GRAHAM emsidered that if it were politic, which
he did not deny, to convert copyholds in England, and these
leaseholds in Ireland into perpetuities, it was most desirable
that they should proceed on some general principle, and well
as conversion should be compulsory on the One side as well
as the other.
Mr. AGLIONBY should not be induced to oppose the bill
because it was compulsory on the one side map
After some further conversation the commtttee divided on
the clause.
Ayes
1-50
Noes
The clause was ordered to stand part of the bill.
Clauses 2 to 24 were all agreed to.
Mr. FAGAN moved the following amendment to the in-
terpretation clause :
After the word • agreement," in line 39, page 24, to Weer., " end
ler the of this act, a covenant or agreement, giving In au,
rinialesena or under less., for a term et net Imam ninety yams,
en • Ufe or seven, a Perpetual *IA et renewal ea the
of a use or lives within the tam be odd* seek lame or
brae, or the renewed levee or undo lore foe the Uwe being in
bees may have been granted, shall, although covenantteo=ement
wog IDA give right of entreat la the event of the tion of
tandairepor Zee edinzion of time, be deemed a covenant or agreement
br renewal of such base or 13201/Antee."
he amendment was agreed to.
Mr. DICKSON moved the following clause:
Whereto sew lands we held In Ireland by leases for a term of
peen sweesdleg Wren Mabee years, with a proviso or covenant
gentehml thiwes, that tawniness mesa mend should so long live,
end containing s gismo sr .sweat to renew those three lives (rota
time to time daring said term el years, without el wey ilia
upon such renewal; and where's the necesity of alarlaeig out no.
newels is useless, oppreedve, and vezatisua, be it thembwe
by the authority aforesaid, that any such lease shall math= set
good as • lean for the full term of years originally maid by rat
lease, discharged of any noel condition tote theta= bdag dependent
on the continuance of any lives named therein, or the neosesity of re-
newing same.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought the clause did not
came within the scope of the bill, and he Mt therefore bound
to object to it.
The clause was then withdrawn.
Mr. LAW moved the following elasess;
Arne be it emend, gat me*. W this tot wersiml dad extend
or le etartreed mask smes.dlealeish. dem er Xis away
ef the *M prKgelkPewera, or anthertare wised In or err
joyed by, er deem er menus, impasse seam
the gesialy et the On.
serer end rakes" Imam of the New Plenisden Mar,
within the metes el Indsmt, maw sr by sista, et tap shorter or
*wawa harebewe gourd es Owes by the erown, or et on et :tuts
or stomas is wwwies seletiew theme& And be It acted, that
andigia this Mt emend, or no simeireed to extradoo prepu
else Ala wedge es alit Ms waste er wienso, or the Wrest er
laseemes, et the mid essisty in any
_hale, tmewasta, borealis-
...ea le which thew are now IMMO We me
sedety shall
as felly end efkotually maintain end may di their NOM estates.
end kismet" of, in, and to any kinds, Immo% bereditamente
he viddithey are entitled at the esmisg ce INo ser, he se leap sad
ameba manner, to all intents ad purpose% Is if this salmi net
ben prod.
Aldermen SIDNEY suppirted the clause, bogus he saw
net the slightest reason for extending the provisions of the
bill to the Irish Society.
Sir R. FERGUSON said there was no difference what-
' ever between the lessee in perpetuity granted by the Irish
Society sad granted by anybody else.
Mr. LAW said that a covenant to-rapport a plantation and
IMO el repair were as widely different es day and night.
Oskar' DUNNE °prised the damn, and expressed bim-
etal noneto all compulies holding land.
The ie.ealtt.e divided—
es. lO
Noes
88-78
TM clauses were accordingly rejected. The remain
Is dims of the bill were than paned, and the home
Ximmed.
CUSTOMS BILL.
On the motion for gning into committee on this bill, and
ea the bill was proceeding,
Mr. THORNELY ezprested a hope that the govern-
ment would, before next session, sweep away every quaran-
tine repletion which had been a disgrace to the country.
Mr. ANBTBY referred to the quarantine regulations el
foreign countries as the result of our own; and expressed a
hope that they would soon be abolished.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
subject was one well deserving of attention ; but as this
clause merely facilitated the taking of goods out of quaran-