The Express.
London, England, 1847-02-17 00:00:00

Deblin could havehadanymiagivingson theta:ore. Heshould
have known that in the present circumstance* of the country
the government could not go out. But he would go further,
and say, that, even if there was reality in the threat, be for
one took se serious a view of the state of Ireland, as would
prevent him for a moment putting the duration of any
ministry into comparison with the preservation of the peo-
ple. This bill would benefit the people, and, therefore, it
should have his support.
Col. CONOLLY supported the bill. He approved of its
general principles' and improvements might be made in in
details. Advances had before been made to Ireland, and with
the most beneficial results; they bad all been repaid cr were
at present in process of repayment. He believed that there
was nothing so likely to benefit Ireland as the extension of
railroads.
Captain LAYARD thanked the noble member for Lynn
for frying brought forward a measure which must, by
bringing the subject so prominently under the notice
of the house, at 110M11 Altura time ensure the re-
quired assistance from government to railway com-
panies in Joel and to enable them to prosecute works. In the
measures, however, proposed by the noble lordthe member for
London he bad the fullest confidence, belying as he did upon
his clearness of herd and courage of heart to carry them
through the present difficulty. But of all the measures sug-
gested, he placed most eel tance on a well-arranged poor•law.
Sir J. WALSH gathered from the speeches of Irish mem-
bers of all parties this tribute of praise to the bill before the
house—that the people of Ireland oonsiderd it a bold, com-
prehensive, and generous effort to relieve them. Of the
advantages to be derived by Ireland from the 'construction
of railways they could not have had more convincing proofs
than those which were offered to the house by the hon.
member for the Tower Hamlets, by whom, as well as
by others, many of the details of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer hed been entirely demolished. Some looked upon •
poor law ass panacea; but he could imagine no such measure
adequate to the exigency. Others advocated the cultivation
of waste lands, bat of all speculations he regarded that as
the wildest, requiring as it did two great ingredients—
time and capita. (Hear, hear.) They could not expect
wildest,. to transfer bogs and wastes into cultivated fields.
And yet the Irish people could not venture to depend upon
the voluntary aid of the English people. Such an attempt,
as the hon. member for Limerick said, would eventually
drain the resources of both countries. Another remedy was
emigration. He regretted the noble lord, the member for
Leaden, had passed over thst in so cursory a manner It was too
large a subject to enter upon, but he did believe that swell-con-
sidered system of emigration would greatly alleviate the present
suffering in Ireland and become ancillary to her improvement.
He would not dwell on the subject of fisheries and coal-mines,
and other unexplored sources of wealth in Ireland, but
he thought that if parliament neglected to avail themselves
of the agency of railways they neglected the greatest end
most powerful agent of national prosperity. He agreed with
Mr. Shaw, in considering that, in the present juncture
retirementthei of the noble lord from office would be a most
unfortunate event ; but he differed with him as to the vote
which he should give. If the administration of the noble lord
depended on his (Sir I. Walsh) vote, he should feel equally
bound to support the measure of his noble friend, because
he thought that, considering the great emergency in which
Ireland and the empire was placed, it was the most practice
and most intelligible remedy which had yet been proposed.
Mr. VILLIERS STUART said that no doubt the
noble lord deserved credit for framing such a measure,
and bringing it before parliament, but ho should have left
it to this government to adopt it if they chose, instead of
forcing it on the house. It this measure was carried Out,
the government must be fettered in their other
plan*.
and he (Mr. V. Stuart), centered he hari
the courage to vote for it under such circumstance&
Sir W. BARRON said that during the ten years he had
been a member of the house,:he had never risen with
reluctance se with feelings of deeper pain. The noble
iisrdr
at the had of the government had not given the slightest
hope that any measure for the improvement of the con-
dition of Ireland would be propose& He regretted extremely
the tone that bad been adopted by the right hon. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, in opposing advances of
money to Ireland: it was to be regretted, especially
at this moment, when sympathy for Ireland was to
loudly demanded. He trusted that no other minister
of the crown would indulge in each taunts as had beer
thrown out by the right hon. the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, who bad designated this measure ass bill for
the relief of destitute shareholders, rather than tits destitute
poor in Ireland. The bill in reality would give great relief
to all classes in that country, amount alf of whom the
greatest deritution prevailed. (Cries of" Question." After all
the efforts sad sacrifices of the landlords, he fen--' "-'
thousands of the Irish s•••••• • • •
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~.... cam inevitably perish ; and he
stems, Implored the house to de their duty, by tasting
in mitigating the present awful calamity.
Sir R. PEEL said it was his wish to died the proposal
which had been brought forward by the ablitiord in a spirit
and temper befitting the deepness he entimetimmi a the mag-
nitude of the evil under which Ireland wee mew imilaing,
and of the magnitude of that future daggerwhisie he hared
weimpending over her. (Hear.) He bed unikestood the
noble lord to bring forward this gashes is • wirit den
from all party considerations, not es a seem* fa hods
rivalry with the proposals et gewessa me, he so a
eoutributios towards the dam= Rest woo dewed
misdated to diminish the sufferings of Imbed.
In Rd spirit it de his istention to died this
=ken. Re di the . mess inclined to do so,
des vete be gave wield be epee the nem* of the
and wall he in me tepee idweed by the can-
hoes esemerioness whisk the sale Imd oppo-
site (Lord J. al
Hamel) imaindicated as potable, in the event
et the seeds it the wine lord who bad proposed this mea-
sure The peeped was, that the runic of this country
amnia be ghigal—epro the amount of 16,000,0001.
hir the weeds of employment for the poor in
Trod& - The ester to it was proposed so to eepge
the relit of this enetry, Wald, and in his lies neer
sided, are deed to the ilawsial asei end mo-
wed et this seountTiama lam) The 'wash' wadi-
doe at the wastry, lbw the last moms, soda up
to the beglareg et eimeesy kW wee so doubt e prearrew
ronfidea. The sement el ewes, nerved at he year
—set, of resea=don the Ilk et April, bat oaths ilk
et Jaz the sedate whisk Matson seeds
Eney;lile rte. hied the Cher star et the
Oteallaus). Met unitene had bees pod =To
bees swim which the right hon. could
est ralvabes; het, speaking gesenelly, of the ordinary
or of TOMS% fir the you= 1=;11te
could
re-
align wire veer than the nest
lemesaticipstai Ills right Wee. Mid *A ester steel that
the amount of menus for the year maw sek at Ail
would bhoot 80,960,0081. he net easel&the
he the mempr
maw MA et Jewry had'
Doak not lees Ira fifty dew
refileme—al tames at two rakes above the estimate. The
beams in the eaehawar wee ast lee them WIN millions ;
end the del mew et meow over the apendititre wee
aboutl,BBo,oofd. ile br, tided% rea the nosiffit and dis-
boniemeas .1 the pewit
Berg were wasersed, the
tamed roe of the meary. IMO* slowly be
reasitersd le be prespersee. Bet in reibeense to the
et the -sale lad—pledging, preibly the
=let the swesery to the amount or areal mil-
lions—dm deer hr semaideration was rather the
prospect
for the amiss leer, than that of the pretent year.
(Hear,
hear.) The web bed opposite, or the Chancellor of the
Embower, would, semi early day, state thi view which the
governmat took of the financeof the country. They
could lordly calculate wn a receipt of MUM for the
seseing Inential year grimW than, perhaps net so great as.
that whisk wsuld have boss received is the present year.
Oassidedng the high prise of provisions in this country, the
thgewed anise el umnahatuns *sense et ear pat towns,
he moespeetellh Web pulseet we et the pest raw mate
rills a eve menutertere—wetes—Ower. hes; buil—
oonsidering des the alba whieh the high price
of provWess duveghee the whole of se
sewn as he the I Inlaid States (owing totes ntimental
demand
MA )„ user puede°e epos the power of semeumption
hit quertess of Beeps and Asada, it wee
hardly potable fie amessive thee that oneremense er ecinbi-
nada et owes shwa set seedisliy Whet the memo at
1 this treatry. As hr the crime atiesibilm el the
cook. war, be appraisals& se reirilks walk be. Woo-
lard ea. In the wry, end Warms Wi
thends, an
addition of no lees than 400 smsommima hr figure
year. Re quarrelled not mbliaiste his the fild not
Masa that any goverosamt would propose esti-
wed of that kind
beer,whs • hop sense et
, Falk serenity. (Rear, , how) He alluded
to them is the way et complaint
or invidious
1 amber ; bat wee ready to aware tad the kenos, wee
I isdhed Wild view of pablis oaks whisk the
*OW this tag is elso, was able to dr. Jr=
t iriesew ens wigned 014111,11101. Re relied snelsipme
mg seheithelt in the miesisnews estiartes $ aribeeppro-
hold it was probable that the ordinary seami eapsdi.
dm lathe seat yesz,—lmealm. kr the debt remaining
1 the uses,—worldwerblembly owed the expediesseet the
present yer. Them, with respect to 'dad,- beds pre-
pared* isrpsda2s mewed of the norerery esperilhare for
the *epees it thstwitisk may ideas ely* do,—
hr the wawa them bowers what*, ao-
cede of *wry thy —he wee prepared te ~est
to a Moral ere lessee ly- this emery. is
comma wish Ireland; bee=, MI wens-
eery see& weld bee toads a M=s;
the rmonneell to mss err with the accessary
thwack.** timilte sokaity In Inked, seed on the west-
ern one at liested, bed set ware& there might *we
been a eediseskie ads et sevide ever espediesse in
the wit yes ; but if the amere required Re Irked aid
et all wpm* the sum which hod bees Waded dose by
the *Me lad (Lord J. Russell) sr the Chweelier teethe
ikelesquore-4 the seeserry espeelinem kr Issioad, tre
be prickled. est et the weessass et the UMW
Medd smannt te 9,086.111181., meat 11,000,01.01.311
highly preheats ** ea the fife 1848, there weld
be • dead et net lee than 7 or 8,000,0118 i., (1111.
patios sad easpediram witk medo of revenue.
hew•). Re alma that they siost =SUNK the e
deemed el. essottot of tie Islit WNW, to the preetat
=lat(Afor. helm) They MOM requirel is a liberal mod
win* retirees the wirelike eta knee peril*
Hilted that they would ant true to *st rest ea whisk ,
IedWIWI% ward be ha enkinkese—(leer, 1
leller= Red melt ho no et plisetka el the esii tee the
deed subsistesse -WNW would pawl& mar
aims ter nu* tir ode robot . (Ham, rabid
Lest= thiesibm, Mai be. elm Mow hr 1
assinides et the seism renneneer
Abbe bebaseere—Fra laisirmal
ase=tl.l=l"wedisaatailenrkeisa et that
milvdmlle, se ter as was versed,
was new abeekeerk memory reireese to the fatale
1 11111111111111/MINII misidlionesemlowthmesel poserary szertione
en the pers ot this ereerety, sod, essiessiosatly, the
bodes ea the Wanes would sat be limited to
the 7.400,0001. or 8,01:41,8001. retekted fer the eel-
=et the present year. Is surveying their
prospects, it was impossible to put out of coati-