The Express.
London, England, 1851-03-11 00:00:00

ig,"—igbases which recurred some years ago was put a stop
gg, and with regard to patronage, great improvements
bad been made of late, founded on the report of the select
committee of the house. As to there being an outcry on
the subject, they knew that outcries against abuses existed
Wog after thew abuses had ceased. (Hear, hear.) They
knew that the outcry against sinecures still existed, although
an act of parliament had been passed for the entire aboli-
tion of sinecures. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the
number of awn which they were now called on
to vote, it was not above the average which bad
been voted for the ten years since 1841. In
1511, the vote was fur 43,0110 men • in 1812, M 1,000; in
1813, 34,010; in 1841, 40,000; in 184.1, 40,000; in 1818,
41,000 ; in 1517, 42,000; in 1848, 40,000; in 1819, T 9,000;
in WO, 3.0,000. (Cheers.) They were nut then proposing,
as might be supposed from some of the observations which
hail been mule, any increase in the number of men. But
be thought there were some general considerations which
should induce the bonne not to make any considerable reduc-
tion in the number of men. (Bear, hear.) Ile could not
but think that of late yearn, and even since 183.1, when his
right hon. ttiend, the member for Ripon, wax iu office,
great ebanin n had taken plaice in naval affairs, and they had
to make great changes in order to meet any eventualities
in which this country might have to engage. There were
now great facilities for the transport of troops, both by
steam vessels and railways. They had seen a large elates of
war steamers built of late yearn, and they had seen for what
purpose there yes-.. 14 hail been recently employed. They
had wen with what rapidity they conveyed troops to the
scene of operation.—they had seen that 10,000 troops hail
ben transferred fume I ranee to Civits Vecchia, without
any difficulty, in a very short space of time. (Ilear, hear.)
Again, in the rourser Of last autumn, when there were ale
pnhennions of a war between Austria and Prussia, the
fanner country conveyed 20,000 troops, in the course of 49
hour., to the Pronto e', of Bohemia, and in the course of a
fortnight they had collected 741,0110 troops in that province.
(Hear, bear.; These things showed that in ease of war a
lutes- hud) in troop. could now be transported to an enemy's
country en a kw days, whereas formerly it would have
town months to do so, and that without waiting for the
aceitle nt of a favoaralele wind. (Hear, hear.) Those changes
placed this country mare in the position of a continental
unitary than vier it was before. (Hear, hear.) Ile trusted
they dill not altogether resemble continental countries, but
they mud leek a little to the moans which they took for
thee own &tent,. (Hear, hear.) Thew countries kept up
enormous armanunits, tenet in addition they kept up an enor-
mous force of militia. (Hear.) Even in the United States
of Am. rica tly v had an less than 1,000,000 men enrolled
as militia for the derelict, of the country. (Hear, hear.)
In this country they did not follow either the measures
tulonted by the continental power., or by the United States.
Subtracting the Indian army anti the military employed
abroad, thi• country had not a large array. Compared with
Franey an 4 other continental countries, they had a very
small army. N. Aber had they adopted the man of a large
militia, to the adnotain of which plan there were great diffi-
culties and objection, in this country. But, as they had
neither a large army nor militia force, it was the more ne-
cessary that tiny -lonibi have an efficient nasal force at all
eve tits. (Ilum. hear.) Ile would reemmend theta lint to
have their gnat arm of defence in such a position as
to oblige thew to wait for mix month. before they could
aced out a sufficient force to meet any 1.114 my,
aloe was 'trepan., to attack them. (Ilear, hear.) The
right hon. g. nth inan had m ntioned France, and con-
sidering that they hail had many war, with France, it was
nut unnatural to make refenmee to that country tie an
instance in particular. But they might he at war with
Austria and Itueia at the same time, and they might he
engaged in a friendly alliance with France. Even in that
caw it was de.ira`de In hose a sufficient naval force to
meet any aggression. (hear, hear.) Though he did not
gave way to the imprelllll4oll expremed respecting the
French being able to land innuediately in this country
from 50,011) to 1110,000 troops in ease of • war with this
country, yet it waa not to be left out of consideration
that all attempt might he made by France to hind an army
in this country, and iu that cone he should he sorry not to
be in a position to prevent such nn attempt by 111,1114 of the
naval forte •of this country. (Hear, hear.) But there was
another way in which war might be made—a way peei 111 l ,11
out by a very intelligent naval officer of Frame —namely,
by the Prince ale Joinville, in a pamphlet published by him
a few years ago. (hear, heir.) The way suggested was to
itusploy.a stool class of vessel., and to engage in small
eigeeliteinn, liar the purpose of Teeing the coast and inter-
rupting trade. (Hear, hear.) He begged the hon. gentle-
man to ohnerve that the recent changes in the imlicy, and
the abolition of the corn laws would render such
attacks, and such a warfare, more injurious than they
would have lino formerly. (Ilene, Irma the protectionist.)
They had been now importing from 11,000,000 to 9,0110,000
quarters of turn every year into this country, and he
begged the hon. gentleman to observe what • lons it
would Is, to the country if, in the event of a war, they
bad not a 1111,V31 three sufficient to cover and protect the
entrance of the food. (Cheers from the, same quarter.) Ile
was, then•fore, of opinion that necessary as it was to
have a naval force to protect trade and commerce in former
times, it was now Inure necessary than ever to have a mufti-
tient naval fon, to protect them, seeing that they were
in the practice of importing yearly between 8,000,000
and 9.0110,101•1 quarters of food. (Ilear, hear.) But
besides the then more extensive commerce with distant parts
of the world, and the dealings of their merchants with
states which did lent observe good faith with them, obliged
this country to maintain a larger naval force than France.
Ile did not think, therefore, that the vote for 39,000 men
was extravagant; sad with respect to the general expendi-
ture, let him observe, that in the year 184. i, when them
arose quest...et of difference between this country and
France, in which the slow of honour of the two countries
waa art coiled, that it required all the moderation then
shown by the two genvniments to prevent war hostilities
from breaking out, the government of this country in con-
sidering its means of detente thought that it was ill prepared
for hostilities, and the eonsequence was that a large increase
was made in the naval expenditure of the country. (Hear,
hear.) That expenditure, with the packet service, which
had been 8,466,0001. in the year 1114 i, rose to 7.311,0901.,
and in the next year it Wet to 7,9.i0,000. (Iliac, hear.)
Now the expenditure for the last year was below that of
1515, namely 6,362,000/., and if the government of that
year thought that there was considerable danger at that
time, and deemed it necessary to increase the expend-
Run., and if the present government reduced the amount
by a million. it was a symptom that the expenditure now
proposed was not extravagant. ((fear, hear.) The hon.
member fir Montrose introdared the question of the
African squadron. Now, he believed recent events had
shown that the 11.114 e had moon to be thankful fur the
vote to which it Came het sennion on the subject of the
African squadron. (Bear, hear.) That squadron was said
to be entirely useless. It was said that the slave trade had
increased, and that the efforts of their cruisers would be
quite uneless in suppressing it. Now, it was proved that
one of the C4lll4MillelleeS, amongst others, of the vote of that
house was, that the government of Brasil seeing the earnest-
neneof the parliament and government of this country to use
every legitimate step fur the preventiom of the slave trade,
had entered into uegutiation, with them for the suppression
of the slave trade and the slave dealers had Icen obliged to
sell their erects, ;and, he was glad to be able to say, at a
cimeiderable has. (Cheers.) And in accounta which
carom to hand only two slays ago from the British Consul at
Idio Janeent, it was entail that the total number of slaves
landed em the mast of Brasil for ail months previous to De-
cember. If ill, was only 5,708; whereas, for the 6 months of
1147,11418, and 1819 the number landed was 21,000. (Cheers.)
That w oan memento/meet to the government and parliament
of this country to proceed in that great work. (Hear,
hear) It was one in which this country had been engaged
for many years. and sorry one must, he thought, admit
that they would be covered with shame and humiliation if
they were now to have it unfinished—(beer, hear)—or even
to have it Knew again to the same extent. (blear, hear.)
Gnat stress had been laid on the cost of the squadron, but
even if there were no vessels kept on the African coast for
the minium" of suppressing the slave trade, it would be Mill
necessary to keep vessel. On that coast fur the purpose of
suppereina peraev, so that he much doubted if they would
Lire mom than 5.16.000/.or tio,ollol.by withdrawing the squa-
dron employ. •I against the slave trade. (Hear.) if that
was the ere, seeing the progress they had made, seeing
that no y ceoceted to put an end to the trade as far 64
Brasil w •erned —('adore only being left—was it wise
for the sake of a retrenchment of the amount he =ca-
nna d to withdraw the naval force which was necessary for
the setivreswat amt final ratinction of that infamous trade ?
(Hear. Itearl It would be a glory to this country if after
the efforts wloch it mode to put an end to its own slave
trade, it,by its e xertions and resermuesentlations,induced Braun
sad Cuba to put an end to their slave trade—it would hes
satisfaction to them to say that England had canoed efts
estimation of that vile traffic throughout the world. (liwar.)
Mr. MILNEIt GIBSON joined issue with the premier
upon the ph., that fur trade had rendered a large naval
forte more nee, wary. 'f he commercial influences Wert
eminently Nellie, and the inereame of OUT merchant shipping
Was ,1 practical ~,crease to the available maritime strength of
the country. Th, prevention was not to abolish the nary,
but tamed upon a question of degree. Considering thit
au onto required leaver women than sailing vessels, and
al,eoo m, a had heretofore been found amply sufficient for
the, nasal snit..., he felt Minified in voting fur the re-
trenchment moved by Mr. Hume. He feared that the pro-
ceedings of the slave squadron hadbcen injurious, especially
in Brasil, to the very cause it was intended to support. by
pruvoking hostility and preventing the development of anti-
slavery doctrines in that country.
Mr. CARDWELL contended that the presence of our
ships on the resists of Brazil had strengthened the hands of
the British negotiators, and aided in enforcing the treaties
by which the slave trade was prohibited.
Capt. BERKELEY apprehended that merchant seamen,
ignorant of gunnery, would prove very inefficient if drafted
upon an emergency into the war navy.
After a few words from Mr. Pm:wrest and Mr. S.
Caeetrunti,
Cal. THOMPSON declared that he should vote for Mr.
Thune's amendments, though not tar that hon. member's
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-tar eosamittse divided upon the amendment.
Ay s (it
Noes 169-109
The Tutu then pawed as originally proposed by du:govern-
ment.
Two fonovrinz votes, fur wages and victualling, respec-
tively. and 500,6321., were also paved after some
conversation

Tlii;,t;iiir admiralty salaries, 138,615 f., being proposed,
Cal. 8181'1101W accused the board of general incom-
petence and estravaganee, and pronounced hi. own mistrust
of the government generally. He suggested the propriety
of reducing the (Mend salaries, now that bread was so
cheap.
lir. WILLIAMS remarked that the salaries this year
were 11,0001. higher than in 1844, when the effective force
a/ warm was Tilts as large.

Sir G. Pechell, Mr. Com, Mr. Henley, Mr. Cobden, Mr.
Hume, Mr. Sharman Crawford, and Mr. H. Drummond
!lasing made some desultory remarks and inquiries, to
which Sir F. Baring replied, a division took place, when
Col. Sihthorp's amendment was negatived by 193 votes to
31—majority, 1.59.
48,634., for the scientific branch ; 134,6991., for establish-
ments at home; 23.651/. for establishments abroad; and
676,4161., fur wages to artificers, were voted, after some
miscellaneous

The house adjourntil at one o'clock.
FRA.NCI I I SE-RX;6...NSION.

The measure to he proposed by Mr. Locke King on this
subject is as follows
A Bill to make the franchise in counties in England and
Wales the same as that in boroughs, by giving the right
of voting to all occupiers of tenements of the annual value

of ten pOunils. •
Whereas it is expedient to extend the elective franchise
to man y of her ,Nlsjesty's subjects who hare not heretofore
enjoyed the same. Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's
3.1..5t Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and con-
sent of the lords spiritual and temporal, and commons, in
this present parlhunent assembled, and by the authority of
the same,

I. That, from and after the passing of this art, • every
male person of full age, and not subject to any legal inca-
pacity, who shall occupy, as owner or tenant, any lands or
tenements of the clear yearly value of not less than ten
pounds, or for which he shall be liable to a clear yearly
' rent of not less than ten pounds, shall be entitled to vote
in the election of a knight or knight of the shire to %env
in any future parliament for the county, riding, parts, or di-
vision of the county in which such lands or tenements shall
10, respectively situate. l'rovided always that such lands
or tenements be not situate within the limits of any city or
borough now entith .1 to return a burgess or burgesses to
parliament. l'nerided also that such occupier shall not be i
entitled so to vote, unless he he duly registered as such
voter, and shall not he entitled to he so registered in any
year unless he shall have occupied lands Sr tenements of
such value or at such rent a. of fur one calendar
month at least neat before the last day of July in such year.
2. That the act passed in the second year of King William
the Fourth, to amend the representation of the people in
England and Wales, and an art passesl in the sixth year of
her present Sl:tit-sty, to amend the law for the registration
of persons entitled to vote, and to deßne certain rights of
voting, sad to regulate certain proceedings in the election
of members to serve in parliament for England and Wales,
and the present act, shall be construed as one set.
• The words printed in italics are proposed to be inserted
in committee.

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