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eireamelasess, had got iris a untie is which they sot
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lee poem, sad called la a Ohl party tottate the *OM ef
mutual emeresime. beeswee say mee wiles the
placiple of mediation wee eseth-hie Men thesis an, SOW.
lc was in that of MGM& Them bad bees a salsgtebea
alienation then misting, end at the moment When
the honour of this country was supposed to be eiess
lemempeorelsed in the malt sif the e intest, It was miesideled
amble that the intervention of two such es
Frame and Ensiled would be successful in ex the
parties from the difficulties in which they were
with honour to themselves. He was h p et state that the
aerial documents when produced would st messy if
the madhouse despatches which, like bees eels, had been
eirealeted throughout Europe, !klieg the seisms of the
newripapers, and sushi mush Mapprehenalon to east
with reference to the parties who had, in reality, me
posed the abandonment of Lombardy. (Hoar, hem.)
If hostilities should YIKOINSIMMIS, esellakdy it would not be
for want of the Met meths if Frame and England to
prevent them. Esteems= bad Ms ma by the
Rents of the two powers to lathes the King of Sul=
smonsider his determination. At the same time he woo net
quite prepared to employ such very strong language as the
noel, earl had thought it right to use, in reference to the
evens taken by that power; for he could not but believe
that there were cireurestanas to afford the King of Sar-
dinia, he would not say a justifkatioe, he would hardly my
ea encase, but something like palliation, by events which
had occurred in the disordered state of the country, and the
demands of his suhjects. It was easy fer noble lords, or foe
perms sitting in Daw_ing-street now to sit down, sad,
looking; ova r the events of the past years, apply to tans
the strict rule of diplomaticintercom/se and international
ageism • but in defence, not of the goverameat of Sardinia
only, gut of all gamesmen's, he submitted that when she
events are by which continental Europe bad darirg the
Mt year been convulsed—% hen those governments saw the
clouds lowering and the storm breaking—threatening sem
with immediate, others with remote, subversion and deem-
don, to the mum taken at such a ime and under such cir-
cumstances thous nth. in all their severity and all their
strictness were not altogether applicable ; he knew not one
of the governments which had heen affected by those owlets
obese tets would bear that strict test—not even that of
hastris, one of the oldest and strongest in Europe. Hi
iii not think that that government, acted lima as
I was by the events of last year, could show •
swum of perfect consistency, either in reference to the
Ilineaciions of Europe generally, or even of Germany. He
Mew that every empire, especially one so situated, was boned
to bow to the *slier and motives of the great mass if the
people; but if, by the force of events it could not con it
wan driven out of its habitual proper and strictly bosourable
curse, surely some indulgence should be extended to it; used
Nee with regard to a powerful and strong government like
this of Austria, how much more should such indulges,* be
extended to • smaller and weaker government, if, when
delves by carnets it found impossible to stem, it per-
med a course which, on strict principles, could not be
justified (Hear, hear.) He did not mean to justify the
musket of the Sardinian governmect, but the government
of Austria, having assented, as it clearly di 1, to the pro-
posed mediation, had given the strongest proof of
that smut by atipatiating month after month as to the par•
dealer pm in which the mediation should take plass;
having nevertheless, after eppointleg a person to conduct it
on her part, and after her assent had been continued six
maths, suddenly refus'd the memory powers to give effect
to the mediation, it had given, if not a sufficient excuse, at
least a paliistion for the conduct of Sardinia in entering into
that wnich might be a loop and must be en unfortunate
war. (Hear, hear,) The governments of England and
France would, whatsoever the result, have the satisfaction to
reflect that they had done all in their power to prevent the
resumption of hostilities and to avert the evils of war.
This was a gratifying circumstance, and in mechanics he
would observe that it was of the greatest itepetesee
he Europa and to the world, and the best security he the
restoration of peace, should war unfortunately have Moist
out, and for the future preservation of peace, that two tem
tries like France and England should be found midge
together in the endeavour to maintain universe' miss
(Hear, hear.) He looked forward with confide:tee to the
time when, by t' e joint exertions of the governments ea
those two countries-by their uniting in the same polley,
and mskiog peace their mile ohj et—the general poem GC
Europe would be restored and preserved. (Hess, homy
H. had only further to assure the noble earl and the house
that the papers connected with the neectiatio u should, at
the proper tim-, be laid bet see the house.
Lord BROUGHAM heartily agreed in two of the propo-
sitions laid down by the noble marquis—the one the import-
ance to the pace of Europe, and the beat interetS of this
Matey, of preserving a good understanding with Fiance
(sad h. gave credit to ais noble friends opposes fcr their
successful junction with France, even in the doub.fal matter
sf the Sardinian mediation)—the other the infinite imp:t-
ime of maintaining en old established alliance with the
bases o! Austria, an alliance which, besides being a part of
the ancient polity of this country, was secured by the With
of treaties. He thought, however, that the government had
in the course of their negotiations in September 1847, indi-
cated anything rather than a tenderness for the interests,
the honoar, and the feelings of our old ally, and anything
rather than a holding of the balance fairly between Aus-
tria and Sardinia. To the one they bad dealt out a very
full, and to the other a very scanty, measure of justice. In
the Unlatch of September to Austria, the government
in effect said, intertre at your peril in the
affairs of Italy, that was, between the a ivereigas and their
rople to prevent the latter from obtaining more popular
institutions; but in the despatch to Sardinia they merely
said if yen break the peace, it you cem t any infract on of
the treaty of Vienna, that treaty under which you hold all
your prniessioos except the barren, savage, and pestilent
island of flardinis,—if you do this we tell you Wily as your
friend and adviser, that should you pursue the course you
appear to contemplate, you will commit a dangerous act for
yoursea; yon may reckon without your host, and probably
may gat the worst of the bargain. In the one ease they
threatened, in the other they merely advised. He wished the
same friendly feelings toww do Austria, cur ancient ally, had
actuated the g .vercineret in September, 1817, as had been
avowed in March, 1840. With regard to the suppression of
the despatch, they took credit for producing the despatch
dated the llth of September, which was eulogised by the
red republican party in Paris, Milan, Florence, end Rome.
in which they threatened Austria with what, interpreted
into plain language, meant war, if she did anything to in-
tempt the progress of Shoal measures in Ithy ; but the
despatch dat d the 27th of the same mouth, which contained
the answer of Austria, and in which she said s'or did not
intend to enterers to prevent free institutions being given
to the Italics, and that as to Sardinia it was her object
as much as ours to maintain her independence, they
withheld. (Hier, hear) The noble marquis said
that such events had happened on the continent
as prevented tae strict applies icn of diplomatic rule to such
matters—but those events had not occurred is September,
1847, nor in the following November, when in duo course
the papers should have been produced. The noble marquis
bad given as a reason for suppressing the despatch in ques-
tion, that there was an awkward impression pr -vailitig in
Italy that Austria was the enemy of free institutions and
wag sham. to make use of her leaden or iron aceptrr to pre-
vent the Italia& people obtaining them from the, sovereigns.
That wee the very reason for producing the despatch, which
would at once have dispelled that Mae impiession. (Hear,
hear.) The designs of Chutes Albert were well known, his
iemdinate ambition was notorions. To that ambition he
ascribed those whom he induced to join him in the cm-
eginey of 1820 and 1821—and since he had some
be the throne, he had been always endeavouring, little by
Wit, to ut clinhne the settlement of 1815, and to extend hi
&Melons at the er ens of Austria, whose friendship he,
ell the time, pretended to cultivate. He was, however, now
in • state deserving of some compassion—be was not alto-
gether the author of his present position—he had no will hi
the matter himself, for he bad nothing. to gain by the war,
but much coke.. Even were he to gam the victory, which
he was a t little likely to nary away, his troubles would then
only begin, for he was in the bands of the most ruthless and
implacable of tyrants, the red republican party in the Italian
stat a. At the head of his army, which was marching under
what were called national colons, and whose war cry was
the Expel-ion of the Austrian foreigner, was a Pole, whose
name was not much known to fame, but who would be
known by the defeat he would speedily experience at the
hands a Radetski, whom he was about to encounter
The noble and learned lord said, in conclusion, " One word
more before I sit down ooneeraing the recent most ill-advised
proclamation of the King of Sardinia—a document new
retitled in the h's"ory f /lumen folly and human fraud—a
compound of (serous Dumps mutations, of well known and
admitted facts, of shuffling and obscure conclusions—made
up of the pompons assertion of truisms which no man doubts,
ant the entrisisous propounding of falsehoods which no man
believes—a jesuitical document, admitting • little, row ar-
guing here, now shuffling tbere--en ambiguous wrapping up
of what may be anything or nothing—a constant
&newt, under a multitude of false wards and
Wee xreteaces, to keep real objects and real views
oat of sight, and which, when tan•lated into plain English,
means tMe—l, Charles Albert, cannot resist the repul lima
fact're in Paris end its representatives in Turin, and, above
all, In Genoa. I Pont& stand against the bad teeing which
ualheppily prevails to a peat extent throughout the Sat I
Athos army, and therefore I am compelled, whether I will
ter not, to break the peace, and go to war although that war
he the infraction of a solemn treaty. I will thin take my
Wines in the desperate gams of war, and try, right or
wring, to extend my dominion', as I did in the campaign of
.bat year. rCheers ) However, I (Istri Brougham) will
Ise yet despair. I trust that, with due 4xertion, the dreadful
extremities may yet be avoided." (Hear, hear.)
The Nestles was withdrawn, and their lordship a Jammed
at 10 &natio past 8 o'clock.

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, in
accordance with hie usual ratios, had enabled from ad-
dressing antrommunicatkm to the noble lord the Becraery
foe the Colonise. When he did so, nos doubt they should
have the hasstindormasiaa on the subjees.
Mr. RUNE mid be bad pate distinct question, which he
thought edmitted dam easy enewee. A despatch from Lord
Itemelle had eseseesed is the purnisent heth, that a
unmade hon eggeitted at the repast of the legislative sum-
* bad ememdessi into the lasses sustained in consequence
of the reholtion, and bad reported that a sum of 100,0001.
*tight to be pia in respect of those losses. He w ished to
know If the government was not cognisant of the fact, that
this report and recommendation was the origin of the men.
sure now before the assembly ?.
Sir G. GREY said he was aware of what the hon. gentle-
man refereed to • but tle enter Into that subject might open
the question for discussion, whether the objects contemplated
by that commission were identically the same as those con-
templated by the bill low b tiers the colonial legislature ;
sad they mil not tell at present what the legalities assem-
bly might ultimately sanction—whether this bill, or some
unioded measure. He was, therefore, rather anxious to
pollees any discussion on the matters connected with this
uatil the government was la fall possession of all
the edisial indematios.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he held in his hands the votes
eel proceedings of the committees of the assembly, the use
Mile** which were passed by the legislative assembly, toge-
ther with the amendments which it was proposed to make In
them, and which were rejected by the hour. He wss in the
hug of the house, is to whether ho should reed them or
met. Of course, if he read them he would do so without
ellaeleg a single syllable of comment.
Sir G. GREY rose to order. A question hal been asked,
and the house, no doubt, snowed great license as to ques-
tions. But the right hen. gentleman had received sn answer
to his qutsion ; and if he read the resolutions to which te
had referred it might lead to a debate. The question of the
bon. gentleman behind him (Mr. Hume) might, in like
manner. involve the considerati,n of the provisions of the
bill, which was not yet passed. It appeared to have be n a
&patted_ question in the Canadian arenbly whether the
premat bid really carried out the intention of the commis-
sion or meat beyond it ; and it .would be most inconvenient
teethe Lease to go into that question now, in the absence of
dada laformation.
MA GLADSTONE most say that the course he had taken
in off. ring to read what was public and official in its nature,
though n it in the hands of the government, was not ea us•
just one. He thought the answer given by the right bon.
hamlet to the question of the hon. member for Montrose was
calculated to convey an incorrect impression as to the pre-
oeedings in the colonial legislature.
Mr. G ROBINSON asked whether the hen. Under-Secre-
tary for the Colonies, in stating that the measure wonielcome
into immediate operation when it received the went of the
crown, did not mean the assent of the Governor-General ?
Mr. RAWES—Of course ; when it receives the assent of
the representative of the crown in the colonies, then it comes
Into immediate operation.
THE ARGENTINE REPUBLIC
Mr. URQUHART rose to pet a question, of which he
bad given notice, to the First Lord of the Admiralty—" By
what adjudication the vessels of war of the Argentine re-
public, specified in the return of the 9.h of March, have been
transferred to the British government, or to that of NI oath
Video ?"
Viscount PALMERSTON said if the hon. member re-
peated his question next day, he might be able to answer it.
Meantime he would, perhaps, state what vessels ha specially
referred to.
Mr. URQUHART said his question was 'addressed to the
First Lord of the Admiralty, to ascertain wile they the Ad.
marshy had come to any official decision authorising her
Majeety's forms to take pose anon of vessels belong'ne to a
for:ign state ? Upon that question being answered, he had
intended to found on it another, adiremed to the noble lord
the Secretary for Foreign Affairs.
Sir F. BARING was understood to say that he would look
into the mattes, and endeavour to answer the question next
day.
OCCUPATION OF MOLDAVIA AND WALLACHIA.
Lord D. STUART moved, pursuant to notice, for an
" address for copies or (reacts of any correspondence be-
tween this government and the government of Turkey, and
between th.s government and the government of Rune, re-
lating to the occupation by Russian creeps of the provinces
of Moldavia and Walachia." After bespeakiug tie in-
dult/mice of the house (which was at that moment in a state
of great confusion), the while lord proceeded to justify hi.
interference in &reign affairs by a reference to a speech of
Viscount Palmenton in 1830, when on the opposition
benches—
I know that there are many persons in this house, who look with
great indifference, if not with actual repugnance, at disco-sloes which
tura 'awn our Amiga restless; who think that they sufficiently per-
form their duties fa this house, by devoting themselves sedulously to
our domestic. concerns, who are willing to leave our foreign
affairs to the unquestioned dievetion of his Majesty's minis-
ten. When we consider how much our purely domestic
interests are concerned in our thp'omatio relation with other
countries; when we reflect what influence the foreign policy of so
greet a power as England mast necosori y have upon the trensac-
dons of the world, and bow much it mum: affect the welfare and peace
of nations, it is plain that both those who 'mit only to our own ne:lith
interests, and them whose views take a higher flight, ought equally
to watch with jealous anxiety every step of the government in theme
matters. Bat tomes to the difficulty of understanding these things.
The days are roue by when diplrenacy was an smolt science; the in.
tremors'*adorn mast now tie conducted upon the same principles
as that of individu its. I say, then, that every ftirEsh gentleman, who
beings to the denotes of this bonne an basest mind, and a manly and
generous spirit, will and it just as easy to }Area them matters, if
he will only hang upon having proper int trmation. as he would of
anything clinic widen he may direct his attention. I, therefore. int.
more this house barman themselves from thatapathy an to our foreign
affairs, which has prevailed PO long ; for • hey may be assured that
never Kell a matter of high national concernment, was the salutary
control of their interference more urgently required.
This was • question of great national concern, and
one in which the honour and interest of this country were
concerned. He had always been the advocate of peace, and
thought great credit was due to the noble secretary for
foreign affairs for having, during so many years, conducted
the emirs of this country iu such a way as to pre-
ssers peace. He aek,d not for war, but for information
as to what had been done by the government is this
matter. Much correspondence having paned between this
and other countries on this question, he is ought it right that
the how' should know what steps had been taken by the
noble viscount. The provinces of Moldavia and Wallachia, after
forming an independent country for more than 600 years, heed,
in 1393, passed by treaty under the ;peen= -nt of Turkey ;
but their right of self-governew ne had been expressly re
tamed is that and all subsequent treaties, down to that of the
treaty of Adrianople in Inf. Notwithstanding the repeated
attempts of Rus-n, whose religion was the same as tittle
own, to detach them from their allegiance to Turkey, they
bad r, mained unalterably firm in their loyalty. They had
doubtless felt something of the electric shock which con
vulsed Europe lest year ; and this had stimulated the desire
they had long felt for some municipal reforms. The result
was the establishment of a new eonstitution, which was
approved of by the Porte, and the representatives of foreign
powers at that court. Russia, however, di-approving of
what bad been done, intimated t e the Porte that she
should take steno to suppress the provisional government of
Wallachia, if Turkey did not. This was done; Russian
troops were rent, and they effected the overthrow et the pro-
visional government. They even usurped all civil as well as
military authority, and arrested Brirish subject., regardless
of the remonstrances of Mr. Colpthoun, the coring of this
country. 1 bey had caused their army of 60,000 man to occupy
the province for six months at the cult of the unfortunate in
habitants. This conduct had taken place in the Lice of
assurances given to the noble Secretary for Foreign Affairs
that the occupation was temporary, and was only for th •
purpose of restoring order. The noble lord must feel that
he had been grossly deceived, for the troops w. re there still,
and had only moved from one province to the other. Hm-
erest great might be the moderation of Russia in other se.
meets, it certainly had not been exhibited with regard to
Wallachia and Moldavia. What right had Russia to
uodertake this interference ? It could not be justi-
fied under any of the treaties, nor was there any pre-
tit for saying that Rinds bad guaranteed the permanence
of the previously-existing form of government in these pro-
vinces. It was true, in the treaty of Adrianeple Russia
underook to guarantee their prosperity—a most extraordi-
nary and visionary undertaking; for how could the prospe-
rity of any state be guaranteed so surely as by allowing it to
conduct its own government ? In th.t treaty the constitu-
tion of the provinces was settled by what was celled an
organic statute, and to this was added a clause authorising
certain changes, in the event of their being generally de-
manded. To this Russia at first objected, • proviso
were added, rendering the conned if the Porte anl
the other contracting -verse- -- to any such e'

g powers necessary to any m... 4 change.
Though Turkey allowed these words to be inserted she was
not bound in say respect by them, beesure they were at
variance with the fundamental law of the principtlithe
There were persons in this country who held up Rotate as •
media modersion and forbearance, whilst th King of
Pringle and ether princes who maintained popular rights
were vituperated iu every way. Let those Tenons who de-
nounced these princes who, as they alleged, disregarded the
faith of nnatim in the defence of 'insular rights, display
equal indignation against those whose object was to oppress
and tra-nple down thom rights, or let them wand forth in
their real colours, not at scrupulous defenders of the faith of
treaties, lint as friends of devotion's. It was a cardinal point
its the policy of England to defend the integrity of
the °roman empire. They wert so fee as to risk
a war with Franco In the maintenance of that policy. Was
there, he would ask, greater danger to Turkey from the pre-
Sines of the Egyptiasfe in Syria than from the nevema of
the Russians Is Moldavia and Wallachia? He
hoped the noble lord would tell them what was the fr,licy of
England now in regard to that qurstioc. Russia had ad-
vancod--semetino a openly, and simetimi a stealthily—till
she had arrived at lest at the Prnth. How long would it be
before .he cape to the Danube ? (Haar.) This woe a ques-
tion of itnnortanoi fcr the commerce of England. Turk,
in her commercial policy, was the mat liberal country in
the world. (Hear.) The manufacture, of this c‘te dry were
admitted by Tostke7 at a duty of from 3 to 5 per cent
It appears from °Metal returns, that only three countries are
batter customers that Turkey via. Germany, best of ell;
Holland, Italy and the Italian Islands. France, though our
nearest neighbour, is on • par with Russia. No other country
Bones near. Rusts Is much mean than half • million below
Turkey. Prude, BalgisuLDawaaark, Sweden, Norway, all
don't equal bar. ' with the Asian, and
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