The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-15 00:00:00

THE. EXPRESS; TUESDAY

I and flirelpaided to be seen What weans erould4se taken to.
revile St. • ll* could ray, besidse, that the government Mt
perfectly eatisSed that meth the'fillesotellaary powers which
parliament had granted them the executive in Ireland
would be able to suppress any illegal or seditious aseembly.
Re therefore considered this measure ample as ii stood with-
out the special provision now moved. (Ileac, hear.)
Lord MONTEAULE suggested that the clause should be
withdrawn in order that the bill should pass without any
apparent difference of opinion.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that no one would re-
joice more than he should to see these associations effectually
put down and discontiauxl—but, considering the answer of
the noble marquis, and considering that the government was
satisfied with the ;till as it stood, be did not think it would
be expedient for the house to adopt the measure (fur it torus
measure in itself) and would, therefore, recommeed his noble
friend not to prow his clause.
The Eul ed OLENOALL was convinced that unless some
such measure was :atop. ed, the system of agitation would re.
commence the moment the act for the Suspension of the
Babeu Corpus ceased, which was in March next. Ile
would rot press the clause against the opinions which had
been expressed.
The clause was then withdrawn, and after the introduction
of some amendinihitr, at the suggestion of the Loan CHLN-
VELUM, the bill was reported.
PARLIAMENTARY ELECTORS BILL.
Lord BEALIMONT, in moving the second reading, ex-
plained that the object of this bill, which bad been sent up
from the other house, was not practically to interfere with,
hut to curry out, the rate-paying clauses of the reform hill.
The provision of the Reluras Act which made the right to
vote depend on the payment, before the 20th of Joy, of the
rates and taxes due in the previous April, operated in nume.
roue instances to d;afram him persons perfectly solvent, and
in every other respect qualified to vote, and who had omitted
paying the rates and tax's, not from any inability to pay, or
neglect of their own, but from the neglect of the coll
mector,
who, being often a person of strong political hiss, anaped
by omitting to cal on those cheers w Ito entertained opposite
views to his own, to influence the register by keeping out
their names. By the present bill it was proposed to leave the
test of the right to vote, the payment of rates and taxis, but
to require the payment, before the 20th of July, of the
amount due up to the Octoho r instead of the April preceding.
This would prevent a practical abuse which was now much
complained of, and woul I open the register to seine of the
most wealthy and respectable householders, who were now
too often improperly excluded. It was not proposed that the
bill should come into operation for a year.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought the noble lord
ought not to press a measure which practically would effect
a considerable change in the Reform Act in so thin a house.
,lie could not consent Lathe proposed change, and hoped the
noble lord would withdraw she bill for the present session.
Lord CAMPBELL denied that the hill departed from the
nrinciple of the Reform Bi,l • but it was by refusing such
• reasonable and necessary changes as this that that principle

the legislature m in— ese questions, it ought to
tale care that the law was maintained and peace and order
preserved. (Hear, hear) No government could be tarried
on without more or less of force, and what there was of form.
must be on the side of the government. (Hear, hear.) This
bill, be repeated, was a remedial measure, inasmuch as it
removed that which was a bar to improvement, and resisted
the progress of measures not forgotten by the government
but necessarily suspended from the state of things
which unfortunately prevailed in Ireland. ( Hear,
bear.) lie denied that either 'house of parliament
had exhibited an indifference to consider remedies for the
correction ef the evils of that country, but be must remind
the noble earl that as to the mode of effecting those remedies
a vast difference of opinion existed, even among Irish mem-
bers themselv, s. The difference of opinion was such as not
to induce him (the Marquis of Lansdowne) to anticipate
perfect unanimity even in a parliament sitting at College-
green. (Ilear, hear.) During the last half century there
had prevailed in the imperial parliament one constant endea.
Tour to improve the state and condition of Ireland, and this
session, in the midst of ell existing difficulties, a measure
had been passed to prevent the eviction of tenenta in
a manner which: had been so loudly and SJ justly com-
plained of.
The Duke of WELLINGTON.—And that bill has re-
ceived the royal assent to-day.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE.—Yes, in the midst of all
the existing opposition to law and order in Ireland this mea-
sure had been pursed. In adoition, the government had
introduced, and the parliament had sanctioned, the !num-
bered Estates (Ireland) Bill, which had also received the
royal assent. This was a most important practical mea-
cure, which, by. producing a true arrangement of
property, would introduce capital, cultivation, and im-
prov, meat into that country. With reference temind
o the
religious point which had been raised, he begged to r
his noble friend how different was the present state of the
Homan cath lic body from that which it had formerly been
lecture the removal of the disabilities affecting them. For a
series of years the legislature bad endeavoured to improve
the condition of the Roman catholic', and still his noble
friend seemed to think that more was required to be
done. But what had been the change which had
been effected in this respect ? It was only within
the last twenty-four hours he had happened to
meet with an Irish newspaper of the date of 1773, and what
did it show the condition of the Roman catholic' then to be
under an Irish parliament? In 1773 the Raman catholic,
not being able to hold any poropertv, either in fee simple or
in leaseholds, come held and liberal spirits of the day con-
ceived the idea of enabling them to hold leasehold property I
only, and a measure was proposed to give them the liberty
of holding 50 acres in leasehold. This was reduced to 40
square perches of land, and then it was required to be
situated not in rural but in town districts. Such was'
the liberality of the Irish parliament at that time;
and he had taken the paper up expecting to find that,
this measure bad been carried ; but, though orator after
orator hail riven, the bill was thrown out, and three-fourths
of the subjects of the crown wore prevented holding lands '
either by purchase or under leases. Looking at what had since
been done, he thought no candid mind could refuse toy
assent that there had been every disposition on the part of
the legislature to improve the condition of Ireland. Other
transom have been contempleed, but have been delayed by
the rebellion which out; rtunatcly existed at present ; but
when peace, law, and order were restored, then the conside-
ration of throe measures would he resume 1, and they would,
he was confident, engage the best and most noxious attention
of both Houses of Parliament. (Hear, hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON was anxious to support the
bill which had been introduced by the noble and learned lord
on the woolsack, but he was glad that he had given way to
the noble marquis who had just sat down. The noble earl
opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury) had mentioned a list of
grireißeell which he required to have remedied before the
adoption of this measure, which was intended to put down
the open rebellion which was uow known to exist in Ireland.
The question really for the house now to decide was,whether
it would go into committee on this bill, which was neither
more nor less than a measure to amend and continue
several acts of parliament leaving for their Mika the put-
ting down of secret societies in Ireland, and which had been
the means of forming, promoting, and carrying on rebellion
in that country fifty years ago. Now in modern tim' s, in
the reign of the existing sovereign, seer a societies, under the
name of clubs, bad been formed all over Ireland, which
clubs it was obvious were the means ef organisation and
discipline against her Majesty's government in that country,
and which clubs could only be put down by means
of that amendment of the law which was now
proposed by the noble and learned lord on the woolsack.
He (the Duke of Wellington) knew the nature of military
operations, and he could tell their lordships that a measure
of this kind was absolutely necessary, and must be carried
into effect with activity, in order to put down without
extramdinary and enormous bloodshed the state of things
which now existed in. Ireland. It had been said that reme-
dial measures ought to precede this; but he would remih iid
the noble curl opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury) tat
the last 40 years had been posed in adopting ineesures
to improve the condition of II eland, and there
had not been a single session in which many wen•
sures had not been adopted by all governments to effect that
object. The noble earl had complained of the oaths admi-
nistered to their lordships on asking their seats in that
house. and seemed to think that theca oaths had been un-
justly. impost d. Now he (the Duke of Wellingtou), having
been in tris and the other house of parliament ior a very
considerable number of years, had some romllection of
the origin of the oaths complained of by the
noble earl, and if he was not very much mis-
those oaths was founded on the

oonatiet this Inquiry with success. That person had been
imileedilitely sent down to the New Forest; a legal gentle-
Mom eminence, of considerable local knowledge. had been
ar ad with him; and there eras every reason to believe
titdierse gentlemen were prosecuting their inquiries with
gswataselvity and ability. Two persona had already been
committed to take their trial, in consequence of the die-
cloguree which had boon made. (Rear, bear.)
Lord DUNCAN asked if it was true that themete d
?eputy
surveyor, Col. Thornhill, had tendered his resigion
Viscount MORPETI4—CeI. Thornhill, the late deputy-
autveyer, has been for some time in a declining atete of
health ; end he has, in consequence, tendered his resigns.
Lion. What I mean to convey is, that Col. 'Thornhill's re-
signation is grounded upon the state of his health, and that
alone
THE RUSSIANS IN MOLDAVIA.
Lord D. ST uART wished to ask if it was correct that the
Russian force which had entered Moldavia bad since been
withdrawn, and had retired beyond the limits into Russia
again.
Viscount PALMERSTON said he believed the report was
correct. The last account, hum Oa, British Consul at
Mol-
davia stated that the Russian corps which had entered
delis either bud retired or was about to do so. As far as the
information of the government went, it would appt ar that
the body of troops which had entered Moldavia had done so
at the request of the hosporlar of tha. place.
COMMITTEE ON THE WOODS AND FORESTS.
Mr. HUME asked when the report and evidence of this
committee would be before the house ?
Lord DUNCAN >aid h, had used all the expedition in his
power to get the report published, and be hoped it would be
in the hands of members by Friday or Saturday at the
latest.
OMITTED CORRESPONDENCE.
On the motion fur goime into committee of supply,
Lord O. BENTINCK rose to move an address to the
crown, praying that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine might
he directed to trap mit forthwith to the Colonial Secretary
copies of the omitted correspondence between the provincial
secretary of Canada and the Secretary to the Montreal
Board of Trade, and that the same might be laid before the
house. Isis lord'hip entered into a detail of the circum-
stances under which this correspondence had been, es he
contended, omitted, and said he was anxious to obtain an ex-
Planation from the colonial authorities as to the nausea of
the omission. It was a matter in which the coun-
try at large felt a deep interest. The complaint
was that minted, ro, in laying core, epondence before paella
went, had selected' that which told in favour of the repeal of
the navigation laws, rejecting that of an opposite tendency;
and the noble lord at the head of the Colonial office, had
avowed it to be hie practice to leak only et those despatches
which favoured his own political views. In this case, the
provincial secretary of Canada had communicated a letter
which be addressed to the Montreal Board of Trade,
tine, however, the communication from the hoard which had
called forth that answer. It was important that the exact
Ito ling of the colonise should he known on the subject of the
navigation laws. The Montreal Board et Trade, uade
tened by the rebuke of the provincial secretary,
had insisted on pressing on the notice of the home
government the baneful consequences which must result
from throwing open the St. Lawrence, unless that measure
were accompanied by other necessary concessions. It Tem
most singular that the Earl of Elgin and Kincardine, with
his known habits of business. had omitted t,, send home this
communication. Had lie been instructed to send home only
such despatches as favoured' the policy of government, or
was it not rather the case that he had forwarded the commu-
nication and it had not been laid before parliament ? It was
on the latter supposition that he acclunted for the hostility
of the government to the motion he now made. The cold
nista contended that unless the transit by the St. La.,
rvnee were made equally accessible with that by New York,
and rendered equally cheap, the interests of the c
would materially suffer. To this the governor might have
replied, that no alteration or abrogation of the navigation
laws could effect thr object. But Earl Grey, in 'despatch
of so recent • date as the 7th of July, had assured Lent
Elgin that ministers entertained a confident hope that the
repeal of the navigation laws would pass into a law. What
must have been the feeling of the colonists when, ten days
later, they discovered that the promised boon was abandoned?
navigations could not possibly produce the bffiefits they
antiepated ; that their calculations as to the difference ot
freinet were erroneous; that the frights to New York, ,
insti sal of 2s. Id.. had avenged 3.. *Ad. ; and that if the
frsig!es oe flour from Canada han fluctuated from 3s. 611..0
71., those from New Turk bad fluctuated from `2..9d. to B<.
The navigation to Montreal being cloted by frost five months
oat of the twelve, that place could never he put on au equel
footing with New York, nor could Quebec, which was 175
miles lower down the river. This Earl Orey ought to hove
told the Canadians, and also to have reminded them that the
voyage between Montreal and London occupied 20 or 25
days longer than that front New York; aho, that the in-
surance from Montreal was never less than 41. per cent., and
sometimes as high as 91., wnile that from New York varied
only from 40a to GOs. per cent. ; that the voyage to Mon-
treal being almost wholly against the stream beyond
Quebec, was rendered expensive by the necessary
employ resent of steam-tugs, which for a vessel of
400 tons cost 701. going up, and 451. returning.
The difference in insurance, pilotage, and other expenses,
amounts d on an average to 10d. per barrel on flour, and
could not be remedied by act of parliament. This ought to
have been the tenor of LorrlOrey's despatch. Instead of
that, he had taught the colonists to believe that the repeal of
the navigation laws would put them on an equal looting
with the United States. When they discoverril how falla-
cious was the boon they might well declare, in the language
of their own address, that their commercial ties with the
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was endangered.
Lord REDESDALE had never before heard that the ex-
tension now proposed etas fur the benefit of the rich and
respectable, instead of the lowest and most depraved. The
bill had tot come up with such an unanimous assent fee in
the Commons so should induce their lordships to adopt it
without that full consideration which at this period of the
session it was impossible to give to it.
Lord GREY should agree with the noble 1 ird were the
object of this bill other than to remove a practical and con •
stantly-recurring evil he law, as it stood. did practically
give the poser to a parish officer to favour his own side in
politics, and to exclude his opponents from the regi•ter ;
and this power he believed to be constantly exercised, to the
delusion of the most respectable and perfectly solvent
householders; hut if another six months were given, the
conned or coll. ctor could not, without injury to himself,
avoid making the demand. He hoped his noble friend
would take the sense of the house on his bill.
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH spoke against the bill, and ob.
OCTTeIa that the lower you went in search of a constituency
(and that was the ilirecti,n of this bill), and the lower the
constituet cy went in search of a representative, the worse
would he the character of the government of the country,
the greater woul•t be the extent of iolib.ng, and the greater
would he the evils tte great body of the people would have
to endure.
Alllr a few words from the Earl of STRAFFORD, the bill
was read a second time.
Thee lordships adjourned at • quarter past nine.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY. Al-O. 14
The IBrzLiza took the chair at hall past 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND REA DINt (City) Sewers; :Virgin Mary Hos-
pital (t:ewe:mgle-upon-Tyne) Estate; Rills.
icEvoicr CONSIDERELE—Faweeit's (or Alderirom'id F.etatc BilL
THIRD likl.aLtlNG.—handtreb Charity Estate Bill.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PKTITIONS.—By Sir It. FERGUSON, from the corporation of Lon-
donderry, in favour of tie Renewable Lams, acc. (Debated),
10111.—Mr. PATTISON, treat the general body of Pro-
testant &scenting miniatere of the three denominations, re-
siding in and about the cities of London and Westminster,
disapproving all religious grants, especially the region donum.--
Mr. U. BERKELEY, from poor-law offimrs of Westbury upon
severn, praying rOl superumnation.—Mr. C. LCSIIINGTON, from
the Ilealth of Towns Association, praying that IlkelbUral may he taken
for promoting the health of the metropolis. —Lord G. BKNTINCK,
from King's Lynn, praying that Kinsale might be introduced into the
echedule of the torrilyt Practices Rill. Alen one from 2,018 ship.
owcers, miners, and others, interested in British mining, complAiu-
ing of the recent alteration in the copper dutias.—Mr.
town Liverpool, stating that the petitioner. have observed with regret
that whilecorrelve measures have passed through parliament with
unexampled rapidity, those of a remedial character have, with one or
two exceptions, been postponed. The petitioners state that they have
heard with rep the announcement of an early prorogation of par-
- - • public b., be se

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-.sou with regret._
dement, and they pray that rather than the public tidiness be sus-
pended such hon. members as meter Held sports to their legislatorial
duties may he indulged with a Mort tears of absence. The
petitioners further pray that prompt means may ho taken
to serialise the income and expenditure of the country.—
Lord MORPFTII, from bathers in the Serpentine, compLiin-
Inc of its present state, and praying that it may be cleansed;
also from poor-law oltie.ra of Rotherham, praying for soperanning
Mon.—tom 11. WILLOUGHBY, mom kalinburgh Sessions clerks,
praying for compensatkon in ease the Registration of Merriam" Bill
should become law.—Col. DUNNE, from grand jury of Galway,
against the Irish poor law; also one from the same body prayieg for
a committee to inquire into the state of Ireland.—Mr. GOULBURN,
hon the parish of Honorer, Jamaica, complaining of the recently
pissed sugar duties.—Mr. from inhabitants it the royalty of
Edinburgh, against the annuity tax.—Mr. 0. THOMPSON, from
baptists of atirupeloire, against the regium donum.—Mr. CARD.
WELL. from the society ot Foresters, praying for legal protection.
SECOND REA DlNGA.—Faver (Rebind); Taxing Masters. Court of
Chancery (Ireland); Ecelestamical Patronage Suits Comprombe Ora-
laroio ; (Wawa el Courts of J uotiee (Memel); Bids.
COM M ITT EF.S.—ltilitia Pay ; Parochial Debt and Audit ; Out-Pen-
sioners: Spirits ( [lndere in) ; BOUM Spit its Warehousing; Petty Bag,
Re., others (Quirt of Chancery) ; Sheep, he. (2); Rills.
REPOlLTS.—Amessiunable Manors Corontiosioners; Steam Navi-
gation; Bills.
11111U)TO Itl-tDlNGS.—Turnpike Acts Conthinance ; Poor-law
Union District School.; Money Order Departmer.t (Post-ollice);
Boroughs Incorporation; Bills.
ENGINE
DRIVERS ON THE LONDON AND
RTH WESTERN RAILWAY.
Mr. THORN ELY, seeing the hon. member for Kendal in
his place, wished to ask him whether any agreerneot had
teen c me to by the directors of the London end North
Western Railway and the engine-drivers ; and, ii not,
whether such arrangements had lc-t n mode as would provide
for the secure working of the line and the safety of :he
public?
Mr. GLYN paid he bad the satisfaction of being able to in-
form his hon. friend and the house, that every proovidon was
mode for the proper working of the trains. A very consider-
able propoi thin of the old enciceers and their nwistints had
returned to their duty—(hear, hear),—and with the ',Teri.
elated ii:en whole oho y had toe, it aide to secure fro o• other
linen of railway, ev. ry train, from that too: Mug
would he worked b. men as competent as those woo Mei left
the service. He nit rationed this with great satisfaction, as
every hon. tueonln r must lie exceedingly anxious that no
storrendo r on the port of the company sheutd he mode to
men who had taken this step. (Hear, bear.) The whole of
these prom (dings had biers dictated by a club: that club
bed transmitted criers to the other lines in the north of
England, diricting that all men who were members of the
club should levee the service of tie London on I N rah
Western Company that morning. He was happy to sic,
however, thY. the Intentions of the club had been tru.trated ;
for all the men in the north had ridcaimil at their duty
(Heir, hear ) He could tell of many tricks which had been
plmed by the men Bofors they lett the a rake; her now,
taring got rid of them. he had no doubt tont the put Ic scr
vice would be condom. dgeith safety And regulario y.
STEAM NAVIGATION BILL.
On the report on this lull being received,
Sir G. GREY, in sower to a notation from Mr. 'cmottm.
ELT. was meter tonal to soy that the operation of ths bull
w. old b^ coodino
DUBLIN POLICE BILL.
On the motion cur going into committee on ti,is
it T. O'Lttl EN re gauged that it might be postponed on
woe ,trot 01 t.l. •P b. h.g a. os prewoo..
Aftor a conversteiiin it w a pAstponed tiOI 'ter the otht r
ord. r.; and t 1 o'clock the house adjourned unit 5.
The house resum 5 o'clock.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The Ushr r of the BLICK lied epdeored at the, bar, and
summoned the house to the. Howie of Peers to hear the royal
assent given to various bills (for which see Lords' report).
WESTMINSTER SEWERS.

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takes every one of
propositions contained in the petitions of those who were
afterw rds to take those very oaths. Those petitioners de-
manded cernsiu concessions from parliament, and it was re-
quired that some protection ought to be secured to that in-
stitution which he trusted the legislature would never cease to
protect—the established church. The petitioners accordingly
suggested these oaths, and he could prove that these oaths
were framed on the model which those petitioeers furnished.
Therefore, the noble earl bad no ground for complaint with re-
spect to these oaths. Itdid rot, however, signify what had been
mine or what remained to be done, he (the Duke of Wellington)
conterded that the measure now before the house was abso-
lutely necessary to maiutain the goveratuent and tho state of
society in Ireland. At present the whole country was occu-
pied by clubs. chiefly organist d for the promotion of military
operations ; and these clubs or secret so iieties must be pui.
down. (11, ar, time) Let any man read the accounts which
had been given with so much parade of the
review by one gentleman at Cork of from 2,000 to
3,000 men, and then say that these men had
net been assembled by organised si:nals from
Dublin. (Hear, hear.) If such was the case, was not the
measure necessary ? He hoped the government were uettr-
mined to put down these club', and to enable them to do so
he supported this bill. (Hear.)
The Earl of DESART expressed his surprise at the tone
in which the noble earl opposite (the Earl of Shrewsbury)
had spoken of the property of the established church of Ire
land. If the principle the noble earl laid down held good,
it appli, 4 equally to all property, and sanctioned the
communism by which every man would be permitted
to judge whether his neighbour had enough or
too much priperty. He should have expected the
noble earl would have repudiated such a principle.
In hi' opinion Ireland had been too long made the object of
conciliation instead of government. Government was what
she wan.eil, and that he hoped she would have.
The Earl Of (ARNO ALL said he never hod hi ard a
speech in that house which gave him so mueh satisfaction as
that d leered toy the noble m trqais the' foxing. The li;l1
he thought :mod es far as ft went, and he hoped it weuld
have the eft ct of putting down those clot's, which he cer-
tainly
thought could not be put down by the ordiiiory op-ra-
tier, of the law. But he r.gretteel that the government had !
not resolved to go one step further, and suppress the Repeal
Association, to Which, and to the agitation carried on through
its agency, and to the pestilential and seditious doctrines
which ems's. t, d from i', he entirely attributed the misery. of
Ireland. lie uid not believe that by this bill, aided hy the
common lee, the government had the power to put down
that assoeiation, which was only givi, g rise to the existence
of a grow of venal hypocrites and sordid impostor,
end unless :hay did put it down they would he doing
thing but an infinity of mischief, He, therefore, hoped they
would apply to parliament h fore the see-lot, closed for
powers to enable them to suppress that 1 estilen tiel holy, and
with it the repeal agitation. Ho was seliefieu that if agi-
tation were suppressed for even five or six yea, a prosperity
would Poo. follow, and Ireland become a source of wealth to
the nation, instead of loving fereal to look to the public ex
chequ rf or support. With thi sr opinieus he should c'r-
tainly feel it his dety to woe, 4 4.1.1111, , n 'hair lordships
went ioto committee, having for its object the immediate
suppro talon of the Helmet Association. H. • was also of
opinion that they ought to r. vire the jury clause of
the emirei hill of 1h33 for cosetitutiou milker) loans;
for Peeing that in two of the three ,!11,t11 of Kitchel,
O'Brien, end Meagher, the juries could not igree, and
that that morning's newspapers i .formed them that
the jury sound not agree in the case of Doherty, he felt
that some such measure was neemary, otherwise trial by
jury in Ireland would be a mockery. The nook earl then
proceeded to make a complaint against the officials of the
• by their voice and their

United States would be strengthened, and those with the
mother country dissolved. It was notorious that no part of
the empire would suffer more from the repeal of the naviga-
tion laws than the North AnErican colonies, whose
ship-building trade would be entirely taken away.
The obiset of his motion was to prevent any governor...general
or colonial minister from presenting to parliament partial
wrote from correspondence net calculated to tell the whole
truth ; also to learn from Lord Elgin why he wee treading
in the steps adopted by the Colonial-office, but which were
condemned by the public at large.
Mr. DISRAELI seconded the motion.
Lard J. RUSSELL sid he did not think it =emery or
convenient to enter into the disi usaion whether the repeal of
the navigation laws would or would not be useful to Caeada,
or would answer the of which the Canadians of the Mon•
treat Boatel of Trade had in view ; that discussion
would snore properly take place when any mea-
sure regarding the navigation laws was proposed.
The only question which he and totemd the noble
lord to raise was as to certain letters which he said were
omitted from the correspondence before the house. Tne ob-
jection to the noble lord's motion was simply this: it ap-
peered to convey an incorrect notion of the facts of the case.
Any person reading it would suppose that Lord Elgin had
been to hl,me in not sending the correspondence between
the provincial secretary and the secretary of the Montreal
Board of Trade, and ought to be reprimanded for that neg-
lect, and ordered to send the correspondence more fully.
The fact was, that on the 31st of May Lord Elgin had
written • despatch to Lord Urey, informing him that
a cerrespondeuce with the Montreal Board of Trade
had taken place ; and memorials were enclosed to
both houses of parliament, winch were sent sub-
jest to the approval of the Secretary of State. There
were besioes • letter fn -m the president of the Mont-
real Board of Trade, and answer at the provincial secre-
t ay. The answer of the provincial secretary reproved the
prosident of the Montreal Boardot Treee fora perticular ex-
pressOin in the original letter, in which he hat soid
unless the navigation of the St. Lawrehce was made free to
the United `fates, the inevitable tosult would be to dissolve
the ties which connected the colony with the mother coun-
try. After this came another letter from the secretary of
the Montreal Board of Trade, delendiug the c xpression ori-
ginally used. Lord Elgin wrote on the 31s of May.
Whether ne had not received that reply at the time his
de-pitch was sent elf, or whether the despatches were
mado up, and he did not thirds it of any y im-
portance to seed it, he keew not, But with respect to ti e
particolar expression which hut rot 'teen thought decorous
to t looming, he (Lord J. Rowell) deemed it a minor of
very little importance. But it wen important that the house
shout° not agree to a motion the terms sat which, in some
measure, indirectly morepreoented the tact. and imputed
Warm, to Lord Elkin without any just ground. It sound
that whir. the expreasion was noun el fault with, the secretory
of the board had def. nded it ' • whether the arguments he
weei in its defence were good or bad, was a meter of the
slightest possible interest; but there was no objection wnat-
ev. r to the paper Mine obtained and laid before the house.
Then Coro. the Utter Sc, rstary to the Colonies aoold mute,
either that night or on some other monition, an address to the
crown aokieg for coin.' of the correspundoice whist.. had
...t1 Nowt.. tie previotsial secretary nod the Montreal
Bo.orel 01 Trade on the sulject of the repeal of the nseig tam
laws, -leo fir any turther correspondence whicn miaut be
reoeirol ; and this would include all the haste lord Asked
fir. Ris noble friend (Earl Getty) had not yet received
these further papers ; hut lw had requested Lord Eight to
send them, and they should be laid before the house as soon
as they arrived. tie objected to the noble lord's motion as
it stood as not being one which the house ought to adopt,
od not founded on the actual state of the transaction.

government for supportin4 by money
the repeal candidate for the city of Dublin at the last elec-
tion. The first man that tendered his vote fur that hon.
gentleman at the last election was the Attorney.Oeneral,
Mr. Monaghan, and two other gentlemen connected by office
with the government had given large sums of money to
supprt the defence to the petition against him. The con-
dition of Ireland was such that the government could not
afford to lose caste with the loyal portion of the people by
sanctioning such conduct. It was want of character in the
French government which led tot. e late revolution, and ho
must therefore protest against the government permitting
their subordinates to support the carry inv on of such a war
as had been now going on for the last eight years in Ireland.
Lord REDESDALE denied the assertion of the noble
earl (Shrewsbury), that the Raman catholics were still de-
graded, insulted, oporeused, and termeuted. As for their
being excluded from juries he admitted it; but it arose from
the circumstance of there being very few Roman catholics iu
Ireland who were loyal and well affected subjects. He
might bay that at least four-fi'ths of them were disloyal.
The Mai:leis of CLANIIICAIRDE felt himself called on
to contradict this statement in tne strongest manner. There
were hundred* and thousands of Rocuai, catholic in Ireland
who were at loyal subjects as any in fin at Britain, and
many of whom h:..d els.inguished themselves by their
ex, rtions is support the law. (Hear.)
Their lordships then went iat.o committ.e.
The first clause having been agreed to,
The Earl of OLENOALL moved a clause empowering
the Lord Lieuteneut to suppr,ss any :JinoClit kill assembling
bales of the people in Ireland which he should deem to be
, dangerous to the public peace or iniuzious to the due admi-
nistration of this law,
• The T" Zuis of LANSDOWNE considered the clause tan-
_

the plaoe to discuss such sub,
widely diverging from the subject before them in discussing
the style of the architecture and the decorations. If that
was the question he should have decidedly voted for a dit
ferent style; but he was bound to say that as the house had
by a majority adopted the style Mr. Barry suggested no-
thing could be more admirable than the way in which
it was carried out.
The lute was then agreed to.
The next vote put was 4,0501. for works in the Isle
of M m.
Dr. BOWRING said he objected to all Isle of Man votes.
Heinler one system nor another was ad •pte d with regard to
that island. The net revenues of eh- island only were paid
into the Exchequer, the officers paying themselves out f the
Fross. Toe islanders were willing to take their r venues
into their own hands, and pledge themselves never to tome
to parliament fur a shilling ; and why should we interfere
with them ?
Mr. PARKER said this money was to be mainly ap-
plied to the erection et a court house, &c., which had been
recommended by the governor and local authorities, and
sanctioned by the Treasury.
Mr. HUME said it happened to be his lot many years ago
to oppose the purchase of the rights of the Duke of Atholl in
tho Isle of Mar.. He wished now to kalw what benefit this
country had received from it ? He believed Mr. Pitt's
oh set in making the purchase was to obtain for the crown
the patronage of the bishopric.
Mi. ki WART said if instead of amending their 1 iw courts
we were to amend the. administration of their laws, we
should do something far more useful and far b. Mer uppre
elated by the Manxman. Everything in that Wend was
th. iuhject of abuse, and more especially their charities.
Viscount MORPETH said the law coats and the ki.ks in
the ble eit Mun had alwaas been repaired by the government.
Dr BO WRING said the ac de in which the unfortunate
people of the Wand were placed was pertectly oisgraceful to
this country. They we.e denied repre.entation, and every
public tight and privile,te. They had uo power over their
own Tivenyea
Mr. HU %IE said he should divide against th It vote.
The house divided—For the vote
Against
The vote was carried.
The next vote was 12,792/. for the Shrewsbury and Holy-
head reeds.
Mr. SPOONER objected to the travelling expenses of the
surveyor of three roads, which were charged at no less
than 5001.
Vise-unt MORPETH said this bad been a regular charge
since the Fled) head roads were first construoted.
Mr. SPOONER said that the length of the road was only
106 miles.
Viscount MORPETH mid the Menai and enmity Bridge
r quired very nice superintendence.
Mr. SPOONER—And immense travelling upon them no
doubt. He remembered that the mite stones upon this line
originelly cost 6351. He should divide against the item.
Viscount MORPETII promised that he would make it
his husiuree to inquire before next year whether this item
c .ul.l licit be reduced.
The Tote was their agreed to.
The next vote as 131,0001. for the expense of onnetruct-
ine trabouri of re:uge.—Api ed to.
The 0,-It vote was 23,16,1. for maititainioi; an •re pairing
pubic bull ings in the elepertrai.e.t at the Board of Works
Ireland.
Dr. BOWRING objected to the manner in which the
11 .cord of Works in Ireland conducted their ',evinces. Henry
detail of their operations required the closest investigation
at the bends of the Treasuiy, for every pound sent over to
Ireland for their distribution became the object of the grossest
jobbery, (Hear, hear.%

In answer too question from Sir D. L. Evens, which did and no. . —sp. (1.-... e, hear.)
. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
not reach the gall, r)( Mr. DISRAELI made some remarks, which were M-
I Lard MORPETH said that it was not intended to open audible in the gallery. assure the bon. and learned gentleman that the Treasury
any crespool or sewer near Westminster Abbey, but to make Mr. HAW ES said that as soon as Lord Grey was aware of waulo not fail to exercise the closest supervision over the
a communicetion between the sewn and a most pestilent the existence of such a letter as that which bad been moved Board of Public Works in Ireland.
cesspre I situated within the precincts of the abbey. it was tor, he wrote to Lord Elgin, requesting that a copy of it Mr. HUME said that the first step towards introduci, g
being done at the earnest suggestion of the dean and chapter, should be transmitted. a direct check upon the expenditure of public money in
and h (Lord Morpeth) trusted would be followed by the After a few words from Lord O. HENTINCIL, Ireland would be the abolition of the Lord Lieutenant.
most se
The motion was negatived without a division ; and the (Hear, hear.)
salubrious results
house went into committee °impel,.
WOODS AND FORESTS. Mr. V. SMITH considered that some immediate control
On the vote of 30,0001. for the new houses of parliament,
Lord DUNCAN, seeing the noble lord at ti e head of the S' H.WILLOUGHBY said that the sums voted by over Irish expenditure on the part of the executive at home
parka- was an object of the highest impertance.
Woods and Forests in his place, wished to ask him a ques u for the
I Mt. GOULBURN deprecated the proposed erection or a
ment
d new houses amounted to 916 0001., whilst the
lion of a most aerious and important nature. He Wished to :hat March, 1818,
P. paid
t arf
know what steps had been taken by the noble lord the mocey.pr
worlastre2eit to be paid up to the
00 ,1101 , being an Inc of
ey granted by money School, a step which he thought likely to create much squab-
Roman catholic chapel for the Royal Hibernian Military
Chief Commissioner of Woods and Forest.. in consequence of anum:tnite
the private information which it was his (Lord Duncan's) e7gTe6 101.MHow could the present vote cover that- parliament
'
oe paid over' Ming and disagreement.
painful duty to communicate to him and to the committee of - - ,IL)- .
indent there s somewhere a hiatus raid: devjend It
M. F. MAULE thought, on the contrary, that the pro.
inquiry up, to the suoject, of which he wit, chairman • and
Tree original estimate for the building was 700,0001. It hastul siding a Roman catholic chapel, with its Roma, catholic
also who thee, from circumstances which had transpired' since
t 1,002,110/ , and before it was Completed it would chaplain, for the children of Roman catholic soldiers, who
the committee made their report, the noble lord had any already ,„ boom:mu. (Hear,. hear.) He thoughtthat parliament attended the institution, and who were now without tele-
reason to believe that an organised system of plunder and `f',
itself to blame for allowing so t
was groat an excess.
depre frtion upon the timber and other property of the in the removal of dissension.
crown in the New Forest h d been carried au Lt. a consider- Lord MORPRTHsaidthat94s,oool. had beenalready voted. Sir W. SOMERVILLE also supported the vote. He
able period and to en warming extent ? This year 50,0001 more was to be issued in come qusnee of fel• that the children of our Roman catholic brethrm , who
Viscount MORPEIII said he ft need there ~all but too the vote taken on acelunt, which would make up 1,000,0001. had fought and bled for our common country, were cat:ilea
much reason to believe that a system of fraud and depreda. within 6,0001. It was true that the return made the sum to have proper spiritual i4strnetion administered by pas:ors
Lieu bad prLvaded for a long time ~.-, with respect to the paid Jr agro dto be paid 1,002,1101. The additional sum, of their own communion. (Hear, hear.)
cutting and sale of timber in the New Forest. As soon us however( was not issued, although contracts had been made Mr. SPOONER felt s, strongly the impropaiety of in any
these re vela:in, !.a : ben broneht under the notice of his on the faith of a vote of the house. way giving public support to the Roman catholic relieion,
roils friend (Lord Duncan) sod the coouninee of whith he Mr. OSBORNE said it would be much the most economi that he should divide the house against the claim of I.lnol. for
was cLaitantu, he (Led latrvitii) la.ol b, en tottunate cal way to have an estimate sent in of the whole expense, the erection of the proposed chapel.
enough to tog.lge the serviem of a gentLmaa sonnet al wiih and then proceed with the works and have them finished sat Mr. IL DRUMMOND objated to the vote, not by any
the dockynr.:s, who was specially recommended to him for once, by means of a loan, if necessary. The agreement with means on the ground stated by the hon. member, but be-
the purpose, as •gentleman conversant with everything con- Mr. Barry was that he should be paid 25,0001. The plan cause he cousidered that the spiritual wants of the people of
- -- -- • ' ' ker. and one who wee likely to under which that agreement was made had been broken, Ireland should be provided for out of the ecclesiastical pro-

and
he
believed
that
Mr.
luny
would
have
a good
cause
of
petty
in
Ireland,
amplaleneetoeulli:hsminbaell:acyldes°.fanoit,:ik,i:tehhntiehcer,_.tßotifunos:lll:l4.:':n
h e
yar l
thought
h) forwardi
ml
c hat
onh w tits
oP
of
Chancellor of the Exthequer for efficient spiritual
instruction (or ""Yhisad,..mitiLeoftom,,,,hrigelb.Prrisifir:°:rffi:er""lidoc.iie -'-
ehtuoirldwiehgathhede
foraoo -------nsiieilettgred to 00 • f:ailapf;yedi•
he
itee.Tohime delay
pou i
impossible
Ise suasion there. (Hear,
Mr. REYNOLDS
time been attributed to the Barry tholics of these realms, numbering as they did on 4*
tin
ntthore
action against some future
additions/ sum. They had incurredan enormous expendi-
and Reid squabble. lie should like to know from the of the population, equal rights in every respect 'dui thed
noble lord in what position that squabble now stood. fellow suhjecta.
Lord MORPETR said he was not ebbs to inform the hon. Mr. lIUME supported the grant, regarding it is
gentleman what was the state of the personal relations be- for education. An to the ministers of religh,ni he slicias
twice Mr. Barry and De—Bea; but the ventilation was that every man ought to pay for his own chosen "Pn
placed under the exclusive control of the latter gentleman. tfohrezdthcssemiNfieArstpwtiailyßetbhcera:trigehentel
year- With regard to the two gentlemen who had been named,
blding .. at once." lie did not think that more than 30
Roman catholic chapel within the walls of a public mai' -'
I
tion was calculated to produce a very painml itepr,„—""
upon these who were oppose
i tar. D. OSBORNE altogether protested against me :
feethelarof
consideredi: i
rho'lVßieUtot
hMraitagt
hT°oeNwDehrcouldid had
with il2dt he
demanded
things from them. First, they required to have all the
munion_.
But fire-
housepi o f.
also required
e trc tth
that
htehy.
they
hsohumal ell
dblti
saes-n
e.uction ofd the ?do theologieson into this decussice. Than
rated, so that they could not he insulated. It was for the was alrea sr quite disunion enenstri on this unhappy •
apartmentsl:l:ete.o. It would be accessary for this to have (hem perfo-
house to settle that question before they blamed either
the
miserable
euestioin
of the
the
hiq
dissensions ,ied which la the h.
menaced his house, and troops a ere to attend fur its deal se
Mr. Barry was entitled to 6 per cent. beyond the wittiest
two gentlemen who had teen mentioned, lie tfiwhnoili'ilill'it'ediahht titnhhaeat phisician..
Mr. P. HOWAItD said that he very much doe,. n-
wwhouetihde, rwithth.ealhlohnis.
protestantenember fleorrvoWurar,
sum. They must either pay him or cheat him. One or the
great cause of the embarrassment regarding this subject
Items ,
expenditure of the money. (Hear, hear.) He slid not think
was, that no human being emoted to be responsible for the
tholic soldiers to stand aside, however Mot he moi;
the bon. member neer him was much wrong when he said upon depriving these soldiers' children of the spiritual eider
' the cost would be 2,000,0001. their spiritual pastors. (Hear.)
Sir C. WOOD said there wee a plan by which the arch The committee then divided—For the amendment 12
i
ten was bound to work, and a commiesion had been am Againetit ........ 143-01
On
pointed to see that the work was performed in conformity the question that the vote be mend to,
with it. if they agreed to any deviation teem the plan, they The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, in rece., ,
should report to the Treasury ; they had sanctioned an alter- Mr. SPOONER, said that no provision had Men made bry'o:
ation with respect to the accommodation of the officers, the act estntiiishine the Roman catholic c ilege of Mayr eniez
cost of which would be 4,0001. keeping the building is repair, cnneequenly the na—,
Lord DUNCAN agreed with the hon. member for Surrey must be paid for every ye it out of
sums voted for that
Pen
that the cause of all the embarrassment and confusion was pose.
the want of propar control. Mr. SPOON ER, conmniled that the 30 0001.
In answer to Mr. BAILLIB. . '., Med
by the act for the e xpenses of meto•oota was .
Lord MORPETH said the agreement with Mt. Barry tended to include the keeping of the bu lelinp in re_,,,,..".
had not been altered. Any alteration must be for the con He begged to move that toe sum of 2,6851. heieni;
eideration of the treasury aid parliament. amount at which the repairs of Mani:moth buildings were is.
Sir D. NOItItEYS considered it a very absurd arrange- timated, be struck oat of she vote.
mint that the passages were nut to be ventilated as well as Mr. BANXES said he would vote with his hon. incl.?,
the interior of the building. as he thought the sum charged fur repairs was an unre
Mr. URQUHART said that the original estimate was ble ton upon the gene rosily of the notice, more es '
Ptcully
700,0001., said that house had allowed it run up 102,000,0001. when 30,0001. a year was granted to Maynooth.
That was an immense sum for a monstrous exhibition. It Mr. DUNCAN corroborated 'the strewents of the t
was a fraud and an hypocrisy carried on in the face of the hon. members who bad last •poken, namely, that the 30,47
counts y% voted to Maynooth was to include all the expenses of that
Mr. 'KUNTZ said that if any alteration were allowed they establishment, and it was stated at the time that that sea
would be at the mercy of tke contractors and ambit( ct. was proposed in order to prevent any e thee applicatiou is
Mr. O'CONNOR said that a select committee should be parliament.
appointed to inquire into the whnle matter. If no other The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said test
member made a motion to that effect he would feel it his the act referred to made no annual presisinit tor putties
dut to do so. Mayneoth buildings into repair, anu that expense man
Sir. HUME raid that the distinct arrangement with Mr. therefore he annually defrayed.
Barry was, tat he should receive 2.5,0001., and the cam- Mr. BRIGHT coefirmed the statement made be dictum
mittee who considered his plan were perfectly satisfied that member for Dundee as to the repairs of Matinee:is
the building could be erected at the estimated expenee. Mr. GOULBURN quoted the speech of S.r It. Peel is
But Mr. Barry was allowed to take his owe course nhe order to show that the future repair; of the huddler n
altered Ids plan, and hence all the confusion. lie had in Mayneoth were not to he provided for out of the 30.000 L
tact humbugged them all, and it would be a gross injustice granted in 1845.
to allow him any money on account of commission. He Mr. SPOONER said that his question had not hem.
tiered the commission would permit no further deviation yet answered. What he wanted to know lies, Mimosa,
from the plan, or in the internal decorations. lie considered 2,600/. necessary fur the repairs ol a hui:diag fur whisk
that it would be very discreditable to the simplicity et the 30,0001. hail Men so recently voted ?
House of Commons if their house was so extravagantly deco- Mr. M. J. O'CONN ELL said teat the 30 0001. was Toted
rated as the House of Lards. for new buildings which were yet in crone of construction
V•scount Id ORPETH regretted that the member for Lan- This vote was for the repairs of the old building.
cashire, who was one of the commissioners, was not in his The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explaion
place, as he would have explained very much of which he that a vote would have been taken last year, but that so.
(Lord Murpeth) could not give the particulars. He be- yeniment did not receive the estimate unt.l ant: the prom
lieved the commissioners had all the functions which the gation of parliament.
hen. member thought they ought to have. They had the Mr. LAW said that there was nothing in the 8 anal
original Man before them, and were not able to sanction any Victoria coercing the house to support the present use.
deviation from the plan, which would entail addit.onal cost, That act provided for an expeneliture of 30,0001.; that ten
without the sanction of the Treasury, and he had it in his was not as vet expended, and why ask fir another gnat?
power to state that, with regard to the new Howe of Cum- (Hear.) lie should certainly oppose the este.
mons, it was enti. ely arranged with the architect that its in• Sir D. NOItREYS thought that ell this dienunin sal
tenor decorations should be of a very differenteharacter from confusion bed arisen from the Mingliter manner in which the
those of the House of Lords. (Hear, hear.) As rewarded accounts were made out by the Board of Works.
past alterations no blame amid be attached to Mr. Barry,
Mr. GLADSTONE was sto see an iudicatien that re
and it was clearly shown that they were al cove- for the nve-
pain of Mayneoth were likely to he an ennual chute of
idence and improv .eneut of the keine. With regard to the 1,3001. It they were to have annual dimuseins of this kind
schedule of pinces, they were alwm a modified on each renewal
there would bean end to the Lope that Id heart h the u um-
of the contract. i Mayneoth discussions had beenput au end to. R
Sir D. NORREYS observed that the noble lord had log
would suggest the pos:ponement of the vote until an mem;
passed over the subject a veetalation. It waeicaportant that
of thealready expendedand t. f
money
they should know whether Dr. Reid was as iehed with the future expense had been obtained.
powers which were given to him. Mr. HUhIE had a dietiect recollection that the 30,0001.
Viscount MORPETIi said the House of Commons and ad- was to be a final vote. Without further explanation In
jacent apartments were entrusted to the ventilation of Dr should certainly oppose the grant.
Reed, but the corridors and long passages were not to be The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
sliced under his care. The whole subj. ct '..111 under the that the year after the grant of 30,0001. a further
supervision of the commission, and his own experience sum of 6401. was granted fee repairs, showing clearly
c niviuced him that it would be beat to leave the matter in that .he original grant was not considered hush He could
ths ir hands Lot, looking at the period of the session, contest to postpone
Mr. URQUHART took some architectural objections to the vote, but would write to Ireland for estimates and de•
the building. It appeared to him that they were verging tailed accounts.
upon the Corinthian and lonic style of e mouton. (A large.) Mr. LAW should certainly refuse ahead stun
Mr. EWART mid it was admitted that the new house unless some detailed account of the money ady expendee
would net contain the members, nor the division rooms ac- were furnished.
commodatc the members likely to divide. (Hear, and Mr. MUNTZ remembered distinctly that when the
laughter.) lie was told by the clerks that the light abed- 30,0001. was voted it was cmiected to cover all future u•
lutny would not penetrate into their rooms, and as for the pones, and to put an end to all the unpleasant dshou
room of the chairman of committees it would be almost iu which the house annually underwent respecting the Map
utter darkness. He was entirely disappointed in the new north grant.
houses, and he heartily wished they had never been built. Mr. HENLEY had also understood that the grant of 1845
If they had gone to S. Jon s's they would have saved the was to be final. lie thought tits: the house was at kat
na:ion at least a million and a half of money. entitled to an account of hew that money had been expanded
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said, certainly this house was not be fore it consented to any lurther grant.
- --- -.11 subjects as these. Members were Mr. SILEIE complained that no estimates hod been salmi
.

for, when a hive minutes het ere a grant was pre
posed for the repairs of ..Duhlin Cradle, but here detain*
counts were called fur preliminary to a vote of 2,60 W. TM
question of principle in this sate had been decided idles it
1846, a year after the 30,0001 vote, a further grant of nrA
7001. was acceded to for repairs. The :'O,OOOl. was • ballet.
ing fund, and was not yet exhausted, but the present en
was one for repairs. The house should recollect that 11.
30,0001. was all they had given to the catholic church, wale
36,0001. was give to annuals te the presbyterians.
After a few words from Sir O. NUIttIETS, Mr. Low, sad
Mr Gottieeas, the committee dis Wed.
For the v,te
Against it
The next vote proposed was a i•um nt 30,0001., to defray
the salaries and espences of the officers ut tee two houses al
parliament.
The CHANCELLOR of the EX':IIEQUER said it ms
right that on this vote he should state to the committee that
the highest authority in the house—the Speaker—had sale
his consideration, in 'conduit* with the reeommendat end
the select committee, a scheme for the better arrangement
this head of expenditure. and that scheme the right hon. gen-
tleman expected to ho able to submit for the adoption of pie
liameot in the course of a very few days.
Mr. HUME cemplained that tuough a sum was annual
voted for the salaries and expenses of the House of Lords,
their lordships had never coldenended to eupplyinformatios
as to the amount of fees received in that home. He bwleli
to ask the right hon gentleman who was chairman of the
select committee whether they had taken any steps to Aga
that information ?
Mr. V. S aIITH said the commit•eo had not done so, ea•
sidering it a delicate matter to interfere with what might le
consider. d the priviiegn of the other house. He melee
stood, however, the whole +object was at present smarm
terenee to a select committee of the Lords.
Dr. BOWItING baptised whether any orrargement
bsi
bee n mode for the payment into the ex:nip:ter of :ell ais
fees received in that house ?
Mr PARKER replied that this w-s one of the poets
under the Sunk, consideraion.
Mr. BRIGHT said he observed that the chairman of ties
committess of the House of Lords received a salary d
2,5001., while the chairman wags and meant in test
house only received 1,5001. He was of oeiaioa they taint
to be made equal.
Mr. HUMS suggested that, as brevist a were now dorm
away with, the services of the counsel to the Speaker might
well he transferred to the assidance of the chairman of wait
and means in disposing of priveee
Mr. V. SMITH drew attention to th large amount of its
item for the expenses of witnesses attending upon commit-
tees. S.,me reduction oneht to he made under that hino
He found that the cost of the committee at Capt. Wlll
case amounted to no es, a suet then 1,7971.
The vote was then 'greed to.
42.7001. her salarie, and expenses of •he Treasure.
Mr. B OSBORNE di net at ail object to the singe paid
to ministers. It Was small enomtn for .he anxiety
derwent and arduous duties they fad tee perforu ; but be
cmuief he
st object to
was
tothe
to make
a
0fh0.,... Loralsaneial
iti‘h!..Tttoessthueryd,:rnla2lo:
h
Hr also c e, the pa) en. ot of 2.i00/. to S.r C. Teen
Ivan for extra lolreur in tar nese of •re Irish rel,ef
his service as mixer 10 year-. et.d ie religion to his
nodes
and this sum of 2,5001. pocket-money, paid he knew
ofssi dwbthatatfutnhe
hut the same might be sad of set raj
' • r situations when
ihtetshuad.
hb,,lkuidmwadepear.i..K.i.Cw.Bere.
,litrm,ighealeibe;
those who tilled them did not receive tail. beyond their selarp
(Hear, hear.) He should certainly take the sense of Inn
house *i!!'!"l:`7l2en.PT?er.i.`vhcfligdtlekrti said ding

upon ..
The CHANCELLOR tithe BICH, __-- --
ibis was a particular and exceptional rose, is which o er;
tuity was only d. erred reasonable and jt.st as a sob •
approbation of the extraordinary exertions made and skald
incessant labours which were undergone 134 Sir C. Trevelyle,
The minute of the treasury by which the gratuity was ordeal
would appear in the civil contingencie••
Mr. DISRAELI con.idered it was a vote conceived is
very bad taste. He did not deny the services done to tba
state, but he did think t at a press cheralier like Sir C.
Trevelyan, with his blushing hononts fresh upon him.o2
almost recoil from receiving a year's asliry as a gratuity.
Mr. SPOONER would vote with the hon. member fal
Middlesex against thus sum, which the government 0004
to have paid without fir.t cocaine to the house.
Mr. BRIGHT begged to know out of what feud
it es
paid, as well as the sum of 8,654.11. distributed to WW2
officers and crews of her M.jesty's 0 t% y /
the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER .01 ds.
money had been paid out of the civil contingence+.
.0.
Mr. HUME complained of the irregularity of 00 e;
c:eding. If the coverivocnt tho:ight Sir C. Trevtl/01,..s
titled to this reward they shout t have bought the 9:71,
before the house in a distinct vote, an d it granted it
beforeuffs
have had a double value to the party, whom greet ow.—
he fully Omitted. • h uhf h.*
Mr. GLABSIONE concurred ge-erally wit ~
member for Montroie that a vote ought to have bee''le
nutted to the house before the money was paid. 1,1;
should be watched with greavr je.loasi than that 100
tuff s of the officers of otato, espeei.. ly such feu, ;0)
should he held to cover all their service,. O ~ oss
lie admitted that this was an exceptiond case, ~_u` hose,
exceptional Max it should have been submitted to the '