The Express.
London, England, 1851-04-01 00:00:00

biting to courts martial came before the Judge Advocate ence to this head of the storekeeper's department. Th.
General, and that he had to see that proper justice was diminution would otherwise have been 15,000/. In the
done to those tried by those courts. ordnance establishments for the colonies there was a de.
After a few words from Colonel Clt ATTERTON, crease of 5,2001. In the barrack establishments at hones
Mr. 111: ME complained that the recomniendatione of the there was a decrease of 4,0001. In the barrack eaabliehil
committee, which sat come eight or nine years ago, in ments abroad there was a decrease of 5,0001. The
favour of the appointment of a Minister at War, were not . next vote was for the wages of artificers awl labourers.
carried out. 1 hese datious stood on the books, 11n this vote for this year there was a decreaee on year
but that was all. Ilerecommen did not think there was any use in .of 3,9991. in the United Kingdom, and of 2,2611.1a5t in the
committees sitting, if what they recommended was not 1 colonies. The next vote was for stores. This 1.1: V. the vote
attended to. He believed if they had a Minister of War I which had always called forth the greatest amount of did.
that a great deal of the confusion in their military system cism from the advocates of economy. This year lie sub.
would be got rid of. I mined it to them with the most perfect wisurance that the
The Tote Was then agreed to. house would observe and admit the practical economy which
n tho vote of 16,9011., for the Royal Military College, had g
O overned the department in this direcn.
In 1850-1 the sum of 211,6311. war asked •tw
in
Col. REID said that he had listened with great pain and
' mortification to the scheme propounded to the house by the I the present year he had to ask only 194,9119/.:
right hon. gentleman for an examination of the officers of , being a diminution of 16,722/. The estimate for small
the army previous to their promotion. That scheme was arms, included in this vote, was 14,000/. less this year than
last year. It should be understood, however, that the sup.
imast humiliating to the officers of the army. lie trusted ;
that the right hon. Fentlonan would feel, on more mature ply demanded would not be considered as that by auy
means which it was advisable to maintain. There were at
consideration how impracticable and unjust it would Ise to
present peculiar reasons why the vote should be limited in
require of officers who had served in the army an examine-
I amount. It appeared that some interesting novelties in
lion in abstract science. The scheme adopted for carrying
small arms were being tried on the continent, and it wall
out the regulation was more humiliating than the regulation
deemed desirable that the results of these raped-
itself. The examiners were in the habit of asking most absurd .
other ments should be ascertained. The next vote wee
questions. A friend of his told him, for example, the
day, that a son of his was askedwhat was the ditference 1 for „works, buildings, and repairs." The amount
demanded this year was 470,317/. The amount
between a monk and a friar. (Laughter.) That was a subject
voted last year was 440,069/. This increase was apparently
respecting which officers knew very little, and he thought the 1
less they knew the better. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) The large ; but it would be found to he no increase at all when
lit was considered that in the vote this year was included a
gentleman said he was tempted to give what ought have
I been considered a rather impudent answer, namely, that i sum of 61,000!. required for entirely new buildings. In
there were six of one mad half a dozen of the other, I fact, there was a decrease in the vote as compared with last
(Laughter.) ' year of 12,0001. Part of this 61,000!. was to be applied to
I the erection of an additional wing to the barreck in Port.
Mr. F. MAULE said, though many objections had been
made against the now system of education which had been mau-strect. Another portion of it, namely,olwich: and he was sure that the
5,000/., would be
house would not grudge these expense., sanctioned and re.
introduced into the army, his hon. and gallant friend was applied to additions at Wo
the first who had stood up and boldly maintained the old
state of ignorance amongst the officers. Would hie hon. I commended air they were by the committee of last year.
aud gallant
ore be contented to see the men in the army IHe (Col. Aneon) came next to the Note fur the sure
pomessing more information on professional points than ! ye of England, Scotland. and Ireland. Ile was per.
their superiors ? (hear,
hear.) It haul been tne object of : hefty well aware that hon. gentlemen objected to the
the Commander-in-Chief that the instruction of the officers I manner in which this amount had been distributed. It wee
should keep pace with the increasing intelligence of the 'not for him to enter at any great length into the matter.
i The amount which parliament was 611 Liberal as to vote wee
men. Ile (Mr. F. Maule) was sorry to hear that the exa-
mination had assumed so much of the character of form, 1 63,000/. ; hut that sum went but a very smell way In
and he begged to Legere his hon. and gallant friend that he I finishing the surveys of the three countries. Lt would
would make it his business to look into the matter, and see I require a much larger amount ; and if the house
' that no books were mad in future which hail question!) and , could persuade the Chancellor of the Eachequeg
answers which were designed to be learnt by rote. (Hear, Ito give a larger sum it would he of great service. There
I were a grit many items to which lie hail not even referred,
I hear.) Subjecte shouldbe given, and the questions should
; and for this he might perhaps be blamed by his hue. friend
emanate from the examinersthemselvcs. The second exami-
' nation, which took place before an officer, who was elevated (Mr. Hume). lie was, however, unwilling to detain the
from the rank of cornet or ensign to that of lieutenant, Was house, (Hear, hear.)
purely professional, all that was required being an Sc- The CHAIRMAN then put the question, that a number
quaint:ince with the Queen's regulations and with a certain aot exceeding 14,573 men be voted fur the ordnance mill.
amount of drill. tart' diem,:
Col. REID said the righthou. gentleman had implied that . Ir. 111 eIE objected, not to the details of management,
be hail been guilty of the arrogance and presumption of ar- but to the system in general, which had resulted Ina rapid
expansion of cosh., and in a waeteful accumulation of unite.
raying his opini..n against that of the highestauthority in the
world. If he thought the change had originated in the on
eturee. In the years 1831-8 the average ordnance
expenditure was below one million, which swelled regularly
Kama and unerring judgment of that great man, he would
afterwards, until, in 1817, it had risen to more than three
remain perfectly satisfied ; but he must throw the whole
the right hon. gentleman. millions ; and even now, after the stringent entbreeineut of
responsibility ou economy, remained at 2,400,000/. Ae the only satisewtory
Mr. HUME coneiderea the change one for which the go-
change in this system the hon. member recommended the
vernment were entitled to the gratitude of the country. The British army had been noted for the ignorance of it, consolidation of the ordnance department with the War-
' officers. (Ironical cheers from Col. Reid.) If a battaliou office, and the placing of the whole under the responsible
in the British service were examined aloug with one in the authority of the commander-in-chief.
French service, it would have no chance. Every officer In Mr. WILLIAMS added some remarks upon the ea.
the French army went through an examination much traordinary cost of certain corps belonging to the
severer than that to which British officers were subjected. artillery service, but proposed no amendment, and
Sir DE LACY EV.4.NS said the bon. and gallant gentle- The vote was then agreed to.
man opposite had sought to fie odium on the rigid hon. The next vote was for 712,582/. for the ordnance, which
gentleman the Secretary at War for a regulation which did was agreed to unanimously ; and this WAS ft/HI/Wed by a
him the highest honour. vote of 268,257/. for the commissariat and barrack supply.
, Vol. DUN NE was thankful to the government for in- Mr. HUME asked whether any alteration was to be
, troducing the new system. made in consequence of the evidence taken before the come
The vote woo then agreed to. mittee ?
18,0161. was proposed to defray the charge of the Royal The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
that
Military Asylum and the Hibernian School. the government had it under confederation whether
Mr. lIUNIE thought the system pureued extravagant, some consolidations could not be effected in order to sure
1 Here were 114 persons maintained to teach 350 boys. esPense.
Again, in the Ilibeniian School there were 41 teachers to
350 be:ys. If the boys were brought up in the country they Mr. WILLIAMS drew attention to the fact that there
were ninety-one barrack masters at home, and forty-eight
could be educated and mane •el for much less money. in the colonies. all receiving excellent salaries, and some of
Mr. MAULE defended the military schools in which so them es much as 7001. a year. He thought they ought also
many soldiere orphans were clothed, fed, and educated. to be store keepers.
Several of the buys were in training for schoulineeters. Col. ANSON said that the number of barrack nnuitem
Mr. lIUME repeated his opinion that the amounts had been lately reduced from 104 to 91.
voted would be sufficient to bring up three times the num- Mr. 11111111: referred to an item of 91,0001. for artificers,
her of boys in the country. and 25,000/. for clerks of the works. lie thought that that
Vote agreed to. was an enormous proportion.
65,0001. fur defraying the charge of the volunteer corps. The vote was agreed to unanimously.
Mr. MILES having deprecated the parsimony of the The next was 7.5,950/. for the ordnance office.
vote, proceeded to allude to an attack which had been
made on the Somereetehire yeomanry by the hou. member Mr. HUME inquired whether the new wing was in-
tended to contain the whole of the establishment.
for Bristol in a fernier scesion. Col. ANSON was surprieed that Mr. Hume deed.' alt
After some further dim:we:ion, the question, for he had himself voted for the outlay noes.
Mir. hi. BERKELEY said he would oppose the vote and sal7 to complete it.
M
divide on the question. (Oh.) Mr. lIUME wanted to know the expense. If they
I was cleared for a division, but none took The gallery abolished the Tower, the next thing would be to abolish
place, and the vote was then agreed to. Pall-mall.
Mr. F. IeIAULE said he did not propose that evening to The vote was agreed to unanimously.
bring forward any more of the army estimate.o as it was The next votes were 295,7501. for establishments., and.
now necessary to proceed with some of the vette on the 122,8001. for wages at home mid abroad.
ordnance estimates. (Hear.) Agreed to unanimoway.
I ORDNANCE EwrINUTES. The next vote was 194,109/. fee ordnance stores for land
, Col. ANSON said the amount demanded fur this Se- and sea service.
I partment wee only a slight diminution upon that voted 17 Mr. HUME asked if the Prussian musket had been
Iparliamcut in the last year. The reduction was 22,520 . adopted ?
He trusted the house would nut therefore imagine that Colonel ANSON replied that it was under consideration.
every requisite attention had not been given to the coma- The vote was agreed to unanimously.
I deratiun of all the items comprieel in the estimates. The The rivet was 470,347/. for works, buildings, and repairs.
tint to.
changes made during the last two years had lea to great Agre
next vote was 9G,601/. for the edentate branch, on
reductions, so much so that the amount of decrease once The
whirl'',
1819 had been 580,616/. The department performed vast
services, and the expenses of it must Lc regulated with the Mr. MILES took an ommrtunitv of making an cxplana-
view of keeping it in a state of vigour. lie believed the tears respecting a detonating powd.;r.
economical unproveutents which had been mule fn.m day Agreed to.
to day would still preserve it in a condition of efficiency ; Guriug the discussion of the last vote the cry of " IMO.
still he thought a varying estimate upon fixed jetyment thertuit" was raised, it being then 12 o'clock.
Mr. REYNOLDS objected to voting the public money
was not ut all do the (Ilear, hear.) Ile Was After a few words from Mr. SMOLLETT and Colonel
wwloluereidtncorwprptc,ictbdlt;
happy to state that the eugge.tions of the committee, Aesom,
at that hour, and he moved that the chairman report pro.
is. hail
bveoteensaa.tkPitati'dir.of(lolbejaere'mh.iresarto.) belaier
in mind that they should exclude the first vote from general fires& (" Oh, oh," and "Divide.")
censure, inasmuch as it was entirely a separate vote from Colonel ANSON hoped the hon. gentleman would allow
those that followed it. Every day he remained iu his pre. the vote It Pass.
sent position justalea the opinion he had formed of the After a short discussion, interrupted by repeated calls
superior qualifications of the Artillery, the Engineers, and fora division, the question of reporting progress was put.
Sappers and Miners. Now, the amount demanded on this Mr. REYNOLDS wished to assign, as the reran for
vote we
712,7551., being 17'31. less than was required last moving that the chairman progress, that he did not like
year. There was an increase on some of the items and a stuns of the public money to lie voted after that hour.
reduction on others. In the hospital expenses there was a (Cries of " Oh, oh," laughter, and " Divide.") The name
diminution of 1,1G9/. The medical department had been of money made hon. gentlemen cry out " Oh," but he as.
revised, and the: whole of the charge on the hospitals now signed that lIS a reason for his motion ; and he essigned also
appeared in the estimates, with the pay of the soldiers in as a reaSoll that there were other important metieuree to be
the hospitals deducted. It was gratifying to know that the brought forward. 'Chore were two unportant bills relating
ordnance department was not behindhand in its endeavours to Ireland on the paper, the Valuation Bill and the Medical
to educate its soldiers. The schools for the artillery had Charities Bal. (" Divide, divide," " Withdraw.")
been established many years, and they had been supported, Lord J. RUSSELL wished to know whether the hon.
up to 1810, by regimental subecription. The system per. gentleman wished these bale to go on.
sued in the artillery was to train uon-commiesiontel officers Mr. ItEYNOLDS had uneleritood that the noble lord pro.
at Woolwich ; and the coarse of study einbraced English poeed to move the committee: on the Valuation Bill.
grammar, algebra, practical geometry, astronomy, the use Sir W. SOMERVILLE mid that his intention was to pro-
of '• • and distances, and " that the house be kind enough to allow the bill to go

into committee that night pro forma only.
Upon hearing this Mr. Itr.vNotns withdrew his amend•
ment, and the vote was agreed to.
The next vote proposed was for the sum 0[50,0001. oat
am runt towards defraying the charges fur civil contingencies.
Mr. HUME said that the government were encroaching
year after year with these votes on account, to which ho
strongly objected.
After a few words from Mr. C. Lewis, Mr. W. Williams,
and the Chancellor of the Exchequer; which were not heard
in the noise which prevailed,
Colonel SIBTIIORP said that these were most important
measures to be brought before the house at that hour, and
that there never had been such a waste of the public money
as in these civil contingencies votes. Ile agreed with the
hon. member for Montrose, and he never would vote again
for money granted on credit. (Hear.)
Mr. HUME remarked that there was not a farthing in
the cute proposed for the Crystal Palace.
Col. SIBTIIORP said if the hon. member and his
friends were not going to divide, he (Col. Sibthorp) did
not intend to hold himself at the beck and call of their
false economy.
The vote was then agreed to. The House resumed, and
the chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit
again.
BORNEO AND RAJAH BROOKE,
Viscount PALMERS'ION hoped his hon. friend would
postpone the motion of which he had given notice for a
short time, until Sir James Brooke could arrive and furnish
further information. That course would, lie thought, be
more fair and just.
Mr. HUME said, that after what the noble lord had
said, he would have no hesitation in giving way..
because it was a matter, not of personality, but od
principle with hint (Mr. II.), and it was only tbr Inc Ma-
jesty's government to show to him that there was a bettor
course than that he proposed to take. Therefore, although
be had taken a great deal of trouble and hail the motion
standing a long time, and was at last in a position that gave
hint the right to bring it on, he would yield now, but
should take an opportunity of bringing it forward after the
arrival of Sir J. Brooke.
TILE MARINE MUTINY BILL ILL AND THE MUTINY
B
Were then severally read a second time.
STEAM NAVIGATION BILL.
Mr. LABOUCHERE, in moving the second reading of
the above bill, said that the provisions had been generally
approved, and the objections were confined to matters of
detail which might he considered in committee. lie had
already stated the objects of the bill, and need not repeat
them; and as the bill had been in the hands of hon. mem-
bers for some time, he hoped the house would allow it to
be read a second time now, and he should not propose the
consideration of it in committee until utter Easter. (Hear)
In answer to Mr. Ht: YE,
Mr LABOUCHERE said if he found there was a ge-
neral wish on the part of those taking an intcre- iii she
bill that it should be considered in a committee of the w hole
house, he would give due time for its consideration.
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed on the 2nd of May.
APPRENTICES AND SERVANTS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
PROPERTY AND INCOME TAX.
Mr. BOOKER moved for a tabular and classed return of
the amounts levied under the several income-tax schedules,
declaring that II; request was prompted only by a principle
' of justice, and was irrespective of the political faith pro-
teased by the occupants of the treasury bench. Ile wished
to ascertain the proportions contributed by real propertY
and
edis,ffe,tr:drittodedi.
under the influence of our recent policy.
wscriopvtWer"hoowf commercial
comandes hianddli'tertittatt

al the measurement o[fheighti
scripture and English history. The most satisfactory re-
ports had been retched of the progress they had made in
their studies. At Woolwich there was a very inadequate
supply of school accommodation ; and this ye ir there would
be a vote taken to extend that accommodation, an extension
which would be attended with the hest advantages. (blear.)
The average daily attendance at these schools was as fol-
lows..-235 non-commissioned officers, 258 gunners, 118
trumpeters, and 233 boys. In libraries, also, this depart-
ment must be considered as being in a satisfactory condi-
tion. In 1834, libraries were established for non-com-
missioned officers; in 18.35 they were formed for gunners;
and in 1819 the demand for the instruction which
they were intended to supply had so greatly in-
creased, that the libraries appropriated to the offi-
cers were given up to the non-commissioned officers and
gunners, and new libraries having then to be provided fur
the officers themselves. The next point to which he had to
call attention was with regard to savings banks. He was
happy to say that since the establishment of these institu-
tions in the artillery the number of depositors had largely
increased. In 1845-6 the number of depositors was 341,
and the amount deposited was 3,018/. In 181940 the num-
ber of depositors was 1,109, and the amount deposited was
11,3001. Other means had been taken for improving the
condition of the department. Great benefits had resulted
from the adoption of a suggestion made in that house, and
urged in one of the military newspapers, in respect to the
appointment of additional captains of artillery for the in-
instruction of officers on joining their corps. He trusted
that the house would appreciate the anxiety which, as he
had shown, constantly actuated the superior authorities hi
this department, and that hon. gentlemen would admit that
every practicable improvement was being gradually adopted.
Some change: had taken place in regard to the allowanees
to married soldiers. The allowance had been for a long
time one penny per day, this being in conformity with a
communication from the War-office ; but recently an
application had been made to the treasury to sanction an
alteration, and it was proposed that in future the allowance
should be twopence per day to married non-commissioned
officers living out of barracks. Considerable additions had
been made to the buildings for married soldiers. To
this first vote of 712,755/. he particularly called the atten-
tion of the hon. gentleman the member for Montrose, and
he hoped that he (Mr. Ilume) would separate this vote
from all the others, and that ho would consider it upon its
(Edina grounds. The nest vote was for " commis-
H ssriat and barrack supplies for her Majesty's forces,
great coats for the army, and clothing fur colonial
corps." This vote was less by 5,5801. than the
vote passed last year. In the article of forage
there was an increase of 10,7001., in consequence of the
'increased price of rations. In the article of coals there
w• diminution of 8,0001. In the article of candles there
was a diminution of 1,700/. ; and in the article of palliasses
there was also a diminution. Altogether there was a
diminution of 10,288/., and an increase of 10,4031., as com-
pared with the estimates of last year. The barrack sup-
plies for last year amounted to 71,0001., this year they were
i only 66,0001., being a considerable diminution. The third vote
was for the Ordnance-office. The alterations proposed by the
committee with regard to the amalgamation of certain
offices had been carried out, and the result was that in the
I vote for the present year there was a diminution, as corn-
ed with last year, of 11,0001. He could not take credit
or the whole of this diminution • because, as it would be
I noticed, the expenses of the storekeeper's department were
I not this year included in this vote, that deportment being
transferred to the head "establishments." The actual
diminution amounted to 3,6841. (Hear, hear.) The
nest vote was for the " establishments" in the United
Kingdom and the colonies. As respected this vote he had to
ask for 8,7061. less than he had required last year. The vote
was increased by 17,0001., in consequence of the transfer-