The Express.
London, England, 1847-03-09 00:00:00

izzcftrriejviar;al.,---"iiiii4;ti.-,;„,i,i.„,
role ,fusel stay &ath
lete,Shwasitdr'ne whom
tat Sighted, be entitled to Ipeer-lavr relief. He en.
near./ the house to setae into the consideration of the per-
&Mast manna for the relief of Ireland in the spirit which
became the representatives of a united kingdom.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought that the speech of the hon.
and learned member for Bath had been listened to by the
house with its entire attention, and the strong sentiments
which he had uttered appeared to have been well received
by part of the Isom, while the sentiments of good feeling
which had been expressed by the tight boa. sesames, the
Secretary for Ireland, and the right hen. gentleman who
had just sat down, had not been so well rimmed. The hon.
and learned gentleman had spoken of the repeal of the union,
and coupled with it the severing of the 0011111111011 of the two
emit:ries ; but it was he who had uttered this seditious
opinion, and not they who advocated repeal, for to that
they would give the strongest negative. He said that
the repealer, had cried very small during this
&strew, and he thought that party would have supplied
some great remedy. They had expected it from the sounder
pudgments in this country, and he had looked in vain in the
üblic journals for some such plan. Nay, a journal, which
was patronised by the honourable and learned member, the
Ecormoniet, had for five months been promising some great
remedy, sad it was only on Saturday week that they came
out with esything, and that was that nothing should be done
for the people. They (the repeals») had said that the
owerment should supply the people with food, not that it
wee a meson» of sound political economy, but that it wee
required it the preservation of human life. If that had
been dam them would not now have been the grievance
of 700,000 pesos lathe public works. They had also celled
on the goverment to as that the cultivaties of the land
was not negloseed. These suggestions might have fallen
short of the reek; bat what did the hon. and learned gen-
tleman with's& ? why to let the people perish; and now
that the incomes of the landlords were diminished one-hall
to impose an inersartax upon them. Those who were
opposed to a ponelaw for Irelandirhad much to say
in favour of their winks. He Mr. O'Connell) was
opposed to it, but be latioded to wee it because this was
not a time is midi Mu mall be dens than to supply the
present extgoados, and it was aseessity that induced hint to
take that esams. He "mkt tell the boa. and learned (en-
dear& that the Alen et the poor-law would be nullified by
the amendmenes white wen premosel, and pertitarrly as
regarded die power ahem ft es-elfide rmeihme. He legal
the bon. mod kerns* gondsema weusl import the eth
adenoma& to credit a recendimedna Of Nino TM bet,2
erd lemmei wellborn had said Ends ea the real elder "r
his motion -Me (11r. O'Connell was glad et it, berms be
druid bam treaded hoses with mate !go to elimer
the hee. end learmedths res
gentisema that Indeed had boook
nes
th bee ahem el tho birder of lasetim. The b
sad learnaned omdemet bed spoken of the inionte ten, eel'
need why, whoa the spirit dutylsile the Asir benof"
lien wombs' kr Timmer* bad net hewed the
Worse tax ea Inland. The nom woe, that Used= had
reached its exeresse point in that emery. Ey the enhaila-
am of the dump duties that tax, which bed kreisrly
produosd 470,11004 and was expected to produce 000,0111., had
Won short by 62,0004 in be mars. The ben. sod horsed
ouedoor a hod veins of emses%rislunsa into looliek-
men. It woo rue the the bed Mob end node
gralities, but the bilk bud also sad wia tit
Ind they bad ban obottlk sow in the adadrabb peeiteesdit
hohooranos of the maple The sapeadotod binmen bed
seer over a sum needy Mud to whet kid Mm admelbal
by the rich in Behead fie the relief of their
so km a son thee MOM If the lea mil :=1::::
dawn muds a mmomstra betimes the two netisme, he
(Mr. frantasil) meld mit what had rehmell Ireland to bar
promat sees but the saiegoveromsat whisk had been seer-
dna in the name of the people of degland. It was well
lama that the Isar Improvement made by farmers and
asttlas in the land sensed the rents to be raised. This par.
lime& had refused to remedy that. Let the hon. and
Ismael goadisma put the blear there, and call on them for
wegometion, beam be methe iambs on those who were doing
their dab edit ming whisk was almost enough to in-
esposhele them Met mowers. The hon. and lammed
sold that the lehlt gentlemen came over to
Verlouim ntry and milmel that, Isamu from
assessed taxes.
They did not whit to come bate V were not forced,
and if any financial means could be to tax them, b& it
be done, but let not the burdens of the country be increased.
If a property-tax was imposed it would not fall on the landed
interests only, but on the middle class, thole engaged in
pretessions and trades, and being heavily amerced It -would
break them down and prevent the raising up of that which
was so desirable in Inked, a prosperous middle elm. It
would not only be anundus and unjust tax, but it would be
a fruitless one. The hon. and learned gentleman, u • con-
stitutional lawyer, should know that it we a 'maxim of the
constitution, that taxation and representation should go
together. The liabilities of Ireland to taxation were as
3to 4, while beg representation was only Ito Si. He (Mr.
O'Connell) would ready at any time to meet the hon.
and learned gentleman on the subject of taxation, and show
the reasons for the opinions he entertained. He had the
deepest conviction that he was right in his belief, that the
evils of Ireland were owing to the Union, and that she had
been wrongfully burdened by taxation in consequence.
Mr. BAILLIE said it seemed to be • theory of the hon.
and learned gentleman that the land of a country was bound
to sustain its population. No one would be prepared to die-
pute that proposition ; hut the hon. and learned gentleman
was mistaken if he supposed that the difficult question of
Ireland would be thus settled by an abstract proposition. He
would find that there were certain districts in the United
Kingdom where the land would not maintain the population
upon it ; and the question still remained, how they were to
be maintained ? It was true, so long as the potato was the
principal article of food in Ireland, the land not only sus-
tained the population, but exports were largely made ; but
when that was destroyed, it was a question of doubt if the
land in Ireland, as it was at pres.nt cultivated, could sup-
port the people. There were parts of the country where it
was well known it could not ; end this question could not be
settled by the imposition of a stringent poor law.
If they were about to make a great ehange they ought to
proeeed with due caution. It was well known how prene
the Irish people were to take advantage of the mistakes
which occurred in legislation • at the present moment they
were forsaking the fields and their usual avocations in the
cultivation of the soil, and engaging themselves in useless
and unprofitable public works, and thus presenting a spec-
tacle such as never before occurred in the history of any
people. And this was the consequence of the mistaken and
crude legislation of the last session. He therefore warned
the house not to proved too hastily on the present occasion.
His boaoarable friend the member fir Northamp-
tonshire (Mr. Stafford O'Brien) who had, him-
self, large possessions in Ireland, stated, on a
former evening, that he, as an Irish landlord, was pre-
med to receive for that country the English Poor-law
Act, clause by clause. He (Mr. Baillie) would advise his
hen. friend to reconsider the subject, and cogitate whether
it would not be more advisable to give to Ireland a poor-law
similar to that which was now in operation in Scotland. At
all events, let the house avoid the risk of a total failure by
endeavouring to establish a system which, however appli-
cable to this country, was inapplicable to the state of eisciety
which existed in Ireland.
Mr. HUME doubted whether the hon. member who had
just at down bad read the terms of the motion which bad
been submitted to the house by his bon. and learned Mead
the member for Bath, for the speech of the hon. member wee
totally irrelevant to the question. The matter now nadir
&mansion was not a question of poorlaws ; but what his hon.
and learned friend said was, not that the poor law would
relieve the distress in Ireland, but that if the people of'
England were to be called upon to advance emu to meet
that distress, there ought to be an equality°, erne, and the
landed proprietors ought to be galled agents maribate to
the finances of the nation to the mew unseat se I=l
landed proprietors. The right boa. geseleman, the
for Ireland, had admitted that all -whith hod beam ass in
the way of advances lied effected mischief.
Mr. LABOUCHERE . No. I said accomplaied by
mischief.
Mr. HUME : Well, accompanied by mischief; and he (Kr.
Hume) contended that if one-tenth of the messy admen
by this country to Ireland bed been eird ea a dam*
principle, Ireland wouldn't now be in-the madden whisk
had bra stated and not denied. There led been
the4oo,ooo, sad beds wore told there me=
sbleteilisd mem empLysd epos public works In Inks&
Where was the areas to end ? There ens end to be me
limit to the domed ark upon the risourese efooothosoo=
Si Initialed ; end thmebre it woo not at ell
that bit be.. aid homed MM, tilill member he
that Ida - Bath,
shell my, " Lot Ida peggety lin lige the soar
radon as edit* ins sad pro-
perty et England was bewthemed.* (Her, .) But It
had- bent said tide was net the feting tier to
Mt this VlOl4Oll • ad it had bum inked why it had not
been brought kowirilmibro ?
wield
it had never
hem ospoitod that the goes ea Lavas-
leg may doh
_- red be =it diet the meeeke whin the
bone wee gelid woe to mead= a farther Maass of
6011,61101 elledel. a fittlegmparbeidly form eeldortag
wbedmr or not the *km of Irlek brides sushi to he re-
viewed. He aeasomed eldtelie ben. minim kr Xillemay
(Mr. J. O'Conmell) that the poem& dote of ham& was
owing to the mkpieumment Of that coley. SweMy-lve
mem t
his alr. Mane) bed deed tinily la that benseend
at the wane* smoke of -dr Waled list
sonny, art milord urea tin them to mimes he
arm sad mama that Ors of which mem day rother mast eidt the pee. et the wide oomatiy. era
The megsrity, however, of that day, theermined that
shed& be kept down, end be mold have no sympathy for
the Isidiplegoistme when he remembered that they joined
in the Wind to do juries to the eiwaray in whisk their
rasniwas dart& Put belied a eke same tee lei,
pet to rigida at privilege& e s Nesiand, askif so,
he was et a ion to brew col oral Maths modd Aot to
WOE, It woo tram that dr hag ammo et minds to whisk
Inked bed beet exposed, would roods," time to ens end
to wren that country to that peddle whisk she aloha to
heft int sell that was no reason why a beshmieg eagle
aid la - bit mit. On this mead, be throb*
set= that dm his boa mod kunell bind lift well
timed. lite Ira, poideseim the gentry kr Inked
bed rhea demmed the government bed trypuma
last peer. Mum's) reply was, that the web
aillokul let to or Werke* with the industry of the
eliciby paella labour ca mars reedi:li=
a to Ift valea
set,
and the
ef whole oeseliy. Agar, the weee adduced lig!
Wst
Dem% mold to have bum islowel W
bad beet dew la tbetreleird
de
s=st the modem
)1 lades ha tetaidad le
free ea Wrollon, be deadd vele with him
Mr PEEL silk Vhe wore to dimes as half the 111.
Morstions width hod been tembed upon by the
goobers who bad spoken sheetthis debate cow
mama et Ave Vele& tide mein. thonowesit be bat little

Fitzwilibun He was bait ea Irish and sn English pro-
prate: ; he lived in Inglesil, bat (reading to eche-
dule D) the Wow tax on his Irish is
well as his property. That was comm se on nee.
But why set the man who err to in. in Dublin
instead of Lander be likewise eempsEed to pay that tax ?
It was • tax whir the right hoe. baronet introduced
with a smile ter three you.., arra his (ISv. Roebuck's)
remenstrasee sad earlitios that it word be perpetual ; a
tax which be, .p 4 stailleg, renewed for three yen more,
sad whisk the yenta legislator in that house word die
iss. (A lesegli. TM right hoe. baronet mid he ex.
;Ivrea Irresi, as inhered to lay en, instead. ea addi-
tional tax apes spirits. The tax was laid on, but not levied,
by seers et rivalling having so increased, and the right
hen. baronet did away with it. Bat why not • then lay on
the isemastaz ? There we no reason why they should net'
lad the commas ern of the people of England
writ bidet apes it. It was worthy of a meet ststes-
mases crelderatkin, to see how he wad .avert
Iristres, who knew nothing of the phrase of
indorsed's**, tote wren et their own brad. Take as
Mama her the kris ranks of Eh, sr Is word be
four to leek hewed not to his ews indeney, but t•
SOON 'Roisterers her Jr stels.se bar sari peat
man. It was the
ay sere
of • entowes le esammer
deityto wet that ethse memo the, the
dangseens and mbar By vish lagun=estel
brawl 4888.1 PW. If an all dl
not ear aped harvest is the pews* yam, Wm weed
they lad lege& sear and wee* to Mims seek a
end hew dinwield be Inisod's ewer la ?
rlesemsa'sever ins a peensflak nettled than is peens
to sash a hefts as ho_ had jar fierdsed, end is Me the
whet* menden of MA , mites of predwieg
the keine the earth. lade Mini d, the while Wray of we-
Itkid, her Omsk downwards, alkedet se wash pare&
If dm wee a bed !Wrap die unary asement upon
it weed Mimi to lesiner wee as Ireland. Already
had it net Is be sees as in IrelendOdethe st
gates ef empisimn. Ne—ther• WM • DI
Hearin= whisk weed sit ha dm tell their Marra, or
to doh weary neighbours and say, Old
yes Mew gist me a slas." No, they weed I
bear the bonen of giddy misery Were they dm ask fee
slam. Wald t imeembitime et seek a people merles
them he the sake of the Mid repairer of Ireland, as
rag they not rather te mod these landlords and
others to oontlEssie to the sresdlLo of dm star ? Let Nee
not be told that times who ha Tarr rushed an Meese
.acceding IN& • erne, were set fa a esseete to de ie.
The to was set 'Mint whim the ropmemleas of the
megle et liegked would sisal WM then end
whin if mimed his progethies. they weld bar
tot
the " wk
have yes dm with wee men" be
to wirer " we beve egesmissed theim= the
kn. Ibises than sway spathes@ sheltie their
duty,r
wiZikese is lite Dials paw_ Weenie MGM
to mean them." If they ware net m-
-1'7:I to say so, they must vote with him as the pent
ocessien.
Mr. LLBOIICHNEIt and that although the speech of
the ben member he Bob wee merked by was than his
meminewil *Ulm he bed Meliond te k thmegbest with the
deeper Degree. for he meld sit bet tepid k as a bed me-
lees to the emedissalles el an beggreet menenee. at a
peeled of itammiel &Wm
as it wee by irsitivos spirt lekit ant the
&meow gamey, by imildiesimmetthwe %Mew Saxon
mad OW, and by may Wee sigh ef es melmniess saws
Memettellethelbelesi of membentf diet house.
me h the the othe ef- the bew• but moth
me/left tent Me seek hemp wasmpMoef pre-
=eminent*. Ille sueda Meld WOW these Mb
lee owlet se a sway wham thees sueshes
wire... sad where, of the WHY their pother
was mssexemplary ; but lAMB he Oh We there were
sell seeks swim who wee melt themesives efatabeinas
sist sithe of Mem is Wks Mim e Wee& the. t
be hatows the We earwelika. and pelt le then
with eighwi to the mom of thee whiny. trader them
themlatins le dimly he ;acs, 'week of the less.
leemhin Del hi me with the view of a-
-1 themes. to pmes ban, _ and aped* Irish
eambies. am. to allow remelts to be drawn into
say diummies upon isth Wein but rainy to apply
trunedwie to timplinee beaker of the der. Clettinly
if ispenitimy hithamisim they were toaster
part et the mew hi en deneigtha welsite
shoed= the ret r.gemementamezhat
aN
don pain Jam th.they
a eil sad ammo. (Mew hear.)
Ae i. the prepodtioa of the kw mese, he thought it
harder winumy to ail( the Wm nil to egret to it. He
shoed sit saw Asp to ingebe Mast it was right that
Nam= Med bier a Meg geignitiss of the taxation of
the DOA Ihnesin. As • amnia piemmeits be was
not prepared is My it. (Cheinkent Mx.loilmil). Est at
a period of unsiumapled Mrsim like the perm% when the
Erse material measure of permanent mild was pro-
posed, he Meg* 1t would be a moot singular
medeilea le Min that they should at once impose
a propiety ad timmt Mai Ireland. From what he
knew of the snit With that house he had no
fear that mot them kis. mews who agreed in the
abeteset justice of theigespriew would at such a period as
the present her flak avers to it. The hon. gentleman
asessed the smement of menthol waste of 8,000,0001. of
the while mon Mere be (Mr. Laboinissee) had never
dimend that theimmehme sway the ent
ix bawd bee awe meth Mamaset
as it wee Immillite for a Runtle that
which== its erdinary_feneliess egthir
nieskie. (Heer,beer.) N
tho veinal allisid bey the laboweiti am, he had mew hesi-
tated to 1/1/ that it bed ewe mkt mischief to dm labour
market ate ethenrim. Harman admitted that the measure
whir the pernment we. whilballeg he it would also be
oneness et 11114—but theie esigibenentive was--allowing
miller of *eh tallow Mier te perish by famine and
pastime, and that was an armivei which he conceived
no Mahler who had a heart of ilea could resort to. (Hear,
hem.) So mbsh he wished to may in his own justification
The her alluded to the connection between the
Irkk end the bill now before the house; and
enspeaddiat kis (Mr. Labouchere's) hon. friend had
net slend what be would do in the event of re Poor-law
▪ ring thrown out. Now, he thought with the hon.
for Bath, that his noble friend was a brave man and
filiMar eslakter„ bat he thought also that discretion was as
ellinefere r bellinem, and that his noble friend would have
bow=
atte quality if he bad given an answer to
the. , which would have implied the
hise •el the Teembew Bill a bill which his noble
AMC on the teateeiy, fully expected to be able to
=adien ham to pas into a law. As fn the
seneseent between the two bills, his noble friend
led Maly speed his Mtn to take their several stages
Cs lorry end mod them together to the other house.
te bean wow& to satisfy the hon. gentle-
men 112114 t Mk het smoldered that the two mamma
we lmba anon with the other. He would lay no MOM
bit Seib boa. members VigAbarkkg in
edgy ilemeins, thereby not only their ems,
but -whet nu wins still, spending it he a 'wee per.
met He was a opposed to a repentotthe aka as my
man, whether the question ls muddiest on MEOW we ea
Irish green& • but it was am by awn they weed
date it He Wished*, km se men theintlem and Celt,
bat to see the two segagdes nalrimal se won great nation,
because it was by onek malement only she eould hope to
maintain that place In the world war she was evidently
brined to fill.
Mr. F. SHAW, who was wiy isisseketly heard. owing
le the Met uhlits gesodlel k the beers, would have st-
ria to the fereelalleglegeddes of the right hon. gentle-
rm• and aid the Mee te pewee to the ordinary
Mims of the nigek bear an Trianon be telt Mt it was
sessmy that be thee/ my a few !Ms in mem to the
M. and learned nintiestaa. Hmelethee limy had been
semid with the isuMmation of IMMOISIfy wows he
the Mel of holed, and the Irish emilem had thrown DO
imsilmit Ise the way ; they had Withigly submitted to
Ws thee gestaustaxed to wet the esteem of the country,
ttill.ft bed neknewitidged the sensed liberality of
Wm they thendel *melees east
the
sii=-1.6. a, Or let. MI hewed mew= and others. H.
hiztortized that the Mk which bad tha-
lami stelae ahem on this subject would
Mw passed my to a Ma midamiies of the permanent
lOSOMEDIS IMO gist to los idesinsid. He did that
raw bael atiwaylei tebileviele the sufferings of
bytempsemeagy messerw mighttnyt yeemeded without
himouptienielhe dhusides anises Mil wee townie to
Matime. Buten he.. end heresisantlemn=
*ea Wee hie tho weiky eiewito law
he glint of melmwe aelteesi. The ba and lamed
W rnefothemthres which hat: mimed
rilleTmarr. He . flhawytilibed he heitteild the sewn,
hr be MI set that way Irlik onlinem MI him
kiss pew of luck mithet. It meltset In is that WI
son pew in the neighbourhood of Mew bet eastektind
tote Mid ef divines. He maw the hesemble make
he Mellevrxklag the homerabie and Lod
If
furnitheibisawith thwarts,
CT;ae mmelihewetbil emir Judgment till the bon. tam
her bed met on the -MOW. The he.. lad
lesised mama all Mlle led bees bald set te
whe woe MI by the filik makes, e
the emilisetes the pees of Tatar'hed bonnetspeak. and
heaved patiomen elm& to theist be epilog the mimes
Otherwise legked ; but if ainwe bad Mkt him Mr.'
I Maw) dist that wes it, he could)tet lave boileved it The
I MAW hewed geibmeneesseadletlthiltheasiedsbow his
Mims to the pm by Ye abuse of the lemiloods, that he
Meld pow Ms hisiselmile tothe Wren by lm Mems
lam to Oho beseindle. Wm and haled gram: mid
Om ei ems of mile he the einem stet bit_ Ism kr
mem eflensi le the ems of kW weed be a.
juat owl Ingsthis, Mese by amiss of tion-
tioa VOW i•Weet pregortint:bmegitserthiss
Wendy
lkinAn Wit =):lllesdleritme we as =lf'
rim e se
d Mew Ileglind and leeksiL
Ist WI leglehte withest leolatate the
geselletehe air=i peril.. et iheligdem. Isis the
elm thaelsed IRIS a fish sad emery,
while Inked wee at pima a pm and
ilbe einicenn between Ma ea
EllossVrieked. Ichaos we a thee wee Ma deed.
taggsgosits teme of aeleseed land In England
It Wend it won 14,000,000.
"el
wriamMialeallgeriaa di 111,41.3'epare wkil•
wartrend
OM la being tee es me et ragasied east=
Wad, mil al . In
wen of Mims artrmek, serallagbditst
b. se he. Ilia tidal of MOM in 04 • wit
*SWIEMEML. sles in belted It was 14.000175 he
AMMON Mei& mil Mayo. The mat of en
=Wee la Mayo it was 116,6108.
w aria by England to the resew

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 9, 1847.

inset t arriving toseght at the considered= orehe
sigh stood for a sesamirtes; Indeed, • debate of eight Or
Ali nights would hardly be sufficient for the discussion of to
many venous topics m had been brought wider notice.
With respect to the modem of the hen, and learned member
for Bath, hie (Sir It. Peal's) opinion was, that neither was
the present a fitting occasion to discuss the question whether
or not Ireland should be celled upon to bear her contribu-
tion to the financial end local government, nor was the
amendment et the hos. and learned gentleman the beet
mode by which to memo to • satisfactory conclusion upon
that question. (Hear, hear.) The question was one of
very great baportanns. (Hear, beer.) But what was it
the honourable and leaned gentleman proposed Why
he propoted, before imterieg upon the disenseion of
• bill which was intended to enable the govern-
meat to advisee a certain sum by way of loan for the
purpose primarily of employing the people, and secondly
of improving landed property in Ireland, the house should
express en opinion that " any plans of relief for the distress
of the Irish poor by melon of loans to the owners of pro-
perty in Ireland would be unjust and impolitic, unless ae•
oompanied by • system of taxation which would subject
ouch property to the beeline already imposed upon all pro-
perty throughout Great Britain." If he (Sir R. Peell as-
sented to that proposition, the difficulty would not be solved,
and ha should make no advance whatever towards its sobs.
tion. In the first place, he was soked to declare that land
in Ireland ought to be subject to the bsrthens already im-
posed upon all property throughout Great Britain. Now,
he apprehended that the burthena upon Scotland were
not identical with those which were imposed upon England,
and therefore he must side which part of Great Britain he
was to select as the comparison for an equalisation of bur-
then. (Hear, hear.) But what was the object of the bill
about to be considered in committee ? It wee a Who enable
certain owners of property in Ireland to and themaelneat
the power which the government possess* sad to tie
from the government money
.be way of ken. He
heeded there were not two opinions as to the esen-
dition of Ireland. They were told that tea wo•
ealaoaddyurenptliasseac wortktlo imuesmirsirs tie take[
by the gratuitous Idistribratioa of bed) and be thought her
persons could doubt that it mob' nem be advisable to ob.
vane* loses, to be mold, bath prineipol and intense, he
the purpose of enabangthe holed Poristm.l to unlittr,
their properties by ffbg leoPolation in the moo
lion et the sell, and in beressingbe modem. But the bon.
sad learned member hr Oth rhea tie house, before it as.
rated bma a memo of preassMg, to resolve that any
plem "redid Ilk the &Mb it the Irish poor
mans
Le of
mto the eIIUINS Orem* in Ireland would be Meat
and *lsm emempooled by a system of Maim
whisk woad solleut seek to the Nielsen already
impasse open allicpssIha
ay t Great Britain. How
would it be posel to act upon such a resole.
Lion! (Hear. hem Opp* twenty proprietors applied
to borrow HOBO sash to improve their properties
by
itbhos. employing* of the labour of the mule.
'staring into engegments Or repay the mount
of loans inerest. What ware to be the
nieletions *dm whisk the aim* ose te be made ? Why,
seewlai to the bee. awl Mord 'amber for Bath, the
= pommel by the to omen was to be subjected to the
peeps sty in Great Britain bore. Were they
to pay the issase t•Z; Or rather, was the Memo tax to be
applioabb net to peprietere gamily, bat only to Om
*nos of*spm* who abed& apply ilselems to die morn-
mat ? that wax the regeboion rep orshel by the Um
and lemma mother—if sot, what *vim of his
h▪ e. I Weald k *jut, JIM WOW*
hes the goverment fm the worm sovbs.
popsety, either that they On* be It* ,vit Babb to
pep the booms tax, orthat the whole of lc** should be
sued upon to do so?
Mr. ROEBUCK.—The whole of Tread
Sir R. PEEL—Then the Wm and Ism* member
diminished the Immetance et the melba by bring-
lag It homed is ■ prom* limp. The goner
ought to be dimmesil esperately sod elethiedy. (neer
bear.) It ft be right hot tie pools et Inland Mead bee;
equal beim with Own et Wool, hi Os comics be
in
breoght *doe dingo= great Mimi rem&
op
epos
lime is bib* tbs imam
los 41101/16Oil
edemas mile b art* poupelems
thee somsfe, disekdok the
ihemperloose ofthe'whele . (Hear, hear.) It, was a
sposellso ono, meek to be met by seek a general
sseebelha as that proposed by the hon. and learned amber
he Dads. He (Sir R. Peel) was ready to dimes the gees-
Bah babe sawedMOM to himself the power of dam so
Mdse.* rehmes * the advance made by way et lima to
maim peopristoes. (Hear, hear.) He could not think it
would be just to trateset the whole of the property of Ireland
to the income-tax on thet posed. (Hear, hear.) He wee
est Awing that it might sot be desirable to give full ion-
sideretha to this question, both with reference to financial
sad Issollegation • but he must say, that it would prejudice
the oaldeet and aiminish the prospect of a satisfactory ao
remeement if the resolution as moved were adopted. He
(Sir R. Peel) was adverse to the declaration of an abstract
proposition of this nature; he was ready to weeder the
matter when put into a practical form, but on these grounds,
and without contesting the justice of the principle, he
must decline to give his support to the resolution now before
the house. (Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL mid, that having stated the other
night his objections to impose a property tax upon Ireland,
be should have hardly thought it necessary to say anything
this evening upon the subject, if the hon. and learned
member for Bath bad confined himseU to that topic. So
far from doing so, however, the hen. and learned
member had omitted many arguments which he
might have adduced in favour of his proposition,
in order that he might distribute various epithets
upon the Irish people, upon Irish inspectors, upon her Ma-
jesty's minister., and various other parties, and, by a long
strain of ingenious sarcasm, to amuse the house. With re-
spect to the income-tax, he (Lord J. Rumen) thought there
were arguments—if this was the proper time to advance them
—in favour of the proposition as connected with the state of
Inland itself, and those arguments had formerly been forcibly
laid down by the late Lord Sydenham. Into that question
be, however, mold not now enter. With respect to the
gum& upon which it was proposed that two bills which
need on the paper for to-night should pan together
them* the lame, those grounds were not that the one was
aloft to the boded proprietors, and that while a boon was
ameihnell es the one hand, a penalty or burden should
be WOW& OS the other. What he felt was this : that it
was mut doeirable the population of Ireland, • great part of
whisk mee unable to live upon the small non of potatoes
whisk hitherto furnished them with subsistence, should be
hood ohm means of empation, and he knew no better
nom then those afforded by e •eg proprietors to
Immo their land, and thereby increase is produce. (Hear,
boor.) He, therefore, thought that a measure, which tended
nerease the produce, tended at the same time to employ
the people; but while this would be the effect of that mea-
sure, be owned that he rather doubted if it would have all
that eltet, if it were not at the same time accom-
panied by . a MB which would oblige the owners of
property m hole* to support those who were
esorving around them, (Hear, hear.) On these grounds
he thought it darobill that the Peor-law Bill should. accom-
pany the ether mime through parliament ; as the Poor-
law Bill would Imam Mims to go amount three or four
times ereatar ham Immeshes bd lom borne by property in
Ireland, he Moab* k right in milliamer by every means to
=ebb propwttio carport them burthens. (Hear, hear.)
▪ government, 01110.01 e. pregoomi to give loans—in other
wards, to lead the &edit of the gown** for the pur
of improving the had, end fa seam where a proprietor had
but a small interest unmembowl, while the rest was eater
1271a.= le, to male Wm to sell off a portion to
lookOM to 00. and have the remainder
111727Eas tees caked Worts be anticipated a satisfactory
and sessemild tomb He did not wish to touch upon the
other noises edge* *lick had bees introduced into the
prom* diesnedea, bat it might be as wall if he stated what
dal preemommt wsu user big with respect to the Labour
Vas AM, sod the act whisk had lately been passed. The
hew member hr Mootreas (Mr. Hume)) had a:prom* -
*WWI Mem em he that MOP ma had latterly
Rosa employ* *so *bib works, smi bed asked where
the whoa wee Is sad ? He (Led I. lomell) and the
imernment of hob* did not think they would have been
*etas* in wMeh a step to that mob of employing the
popelades ass.. were no Mbar mem esapperting,
; but mem the eat limbs prod ley stir temporary relief
of destitutioa, whisk smehicd them waiter our to give
relief, the goveramenthod sow, by tholefter of his light boa. '
friend the Ceist lesteF4ati Ire Mead by mime which
they wen abed to any eat in olhe-
Mally to dindolik make* the MOW Mrilf7:llllffea
on public rembx Me did net Of* she ova et *kb, tie*
tem Os Ploughkg mil swing of Os Mi. mei Irk se
they MI imisepromMOl lint ne &shift soma
wee the tine limn week et Oat eseeseght le Mae. Oa
this MOM be multi net amid math, a lease be bad OM
day Tossived from a whom same he wouldm
bat who ma eopseinled with the om= !
the mom Mem la (The bed read theist*,
bat in se leo aMe hat we mid may catch its general
purport. The wrier MMed AM the web were mom boo
ginniag *ma* hem tear lehmea, and mare forming jeint
Rook essamaise to carry oat the Mlle et iminstioas of the
=T; that in the neiglOsimbaell et IMerisk, oats,
;lea4otatoss, had boa pleated in lop eptentitim;
and he wooled* by saying be was fall of begs that the
mosey of Almighty Clod Meld in due seem rem* the re-
Amin to Has divine wen widish had boa mimed by tha
meat patient end re lkirme pm& in the ersOL) (Hear,
Tose.) He (Lord'. esiM doomed toot this IsMr
wenn in the gbh whisk ivory men ought to app.'s=
the tomideretion of the sollest. In swift et Os
mimeos which the lola -had -snleoltled
to this visitation, the writer Xtiodi to them no
more than wee their just ; nail be Ms* I.
Russell) Masi, whateverlsidloselopt Ima easeelemo might
have sawn am amelime, they woad resambee diet LlM-
man MO nmy IWO bed Oh *Om, sod Set Itognsh-
men ash lekboom to comb one miler se Miens
which, hum Mom la Vohs, seek other% anklesos
and suppeekleser of in petty amass mil per-
essalities. beer.)
ILr. BM 02MLIN lisped the nehieleed weld IMO.
• Irish
Hs
**eke peembs mike*
milk& He Oil sea deo* mm sear* MO O eat.
a
Ma. awl kernel me** he IMO who Merged him mil
*me MO the alemimilmot esegiel. Hs Meaghlyrs.
riled reelMho. Oa the enemy, eeety base awed
le
khans,' sod MOM Ot
gi the asossity allow&
fi= lb mild ellserhßy p all he was worth
tbe mkt to sheik the repeal of the mica met week. in
He felly obeheal Iba preperty bad Its duties an well se its
eighlsomil hat in ma, Most ease datiss had boo=
holed& but, sOll, la me pess peer ked pear
hem mode by the Id* ois improve he dime
lobo them. limy Odle loadlsmilee midi ell het dimple
beeped spot tbem in this soapy, wereliving mampt hair
dimoisets, and striving, at the rish el their own lives, to