The Express.
London, England, 1856-04-29 00:00:00

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se value." (Hear.) In sumer to this despatch the to! -
kerbs telegraphic despatch was received from Lord Cowley:
Paris, August 4. ISSS, tt.ts p.m.
The !web rommuseat will not uprose t►e projected expedhion to
AIM KW. under Ow Phila. resided that the numbers of the
UMW matingest bed= LIMMMOVOL are not diminished.

This answer put an end to any .caw Rh- ch the gorses-
mast might inanavour to bolster •p under the dallier of
the French pverntert,t. (Hear) This decision, however,
thieves the delay which bad previously taken plus, and
the contradietoty diseunions to whtch that delay had given
rim, rove rise to a dilemma with regard to the arming the
body of troops to maks uo the numerical force in the Cri-
mes to its fell strength. Ili's:tugboat all this portion of the
bute
truth sad justice required him to state that the
effilill4 Lord Stratford were guided by great wisdom, and
Were made with indefatigable industry and activity ; In-
deed, from the time of the conclusion of his quarrel with
Gramel Williams, there bed been nothing to Muss
but, es the emstrary, mach to praise, and to praise highly,
n the miladset of our ambassador at Cosetantinople.
The Mum weeld be in a position from these facts, whisk
he had theses it his duty to call to their attention, to judge
of the medians, the delays, the inconsistencies, and the
paddy, ans of commission a. well as of onliatoa, of which
her Mejeseee geverammit had been guilty. (Hear. bear.)
la the messet=e, despatch upon deepatch—he had 60 or 02
of them belies him—had pentad in up 30 the government,
d.tailiag the difaulties under which the garritoo laboured
for.went of provisions, and urging upon them the 'totally
of a small amount of specie being sent to that tourer. Had
Omani Williams been furnished with this necessary,much of
the martens; of the garrison would have been considerably
alleviated; even as It was, the little money te could coin-
mead proved of slat at iseetimable service. This work
whist bad bean published by Dr. Saadwith fully combo-
rated se much of the blue-book as related to this matter;
and the gnat evils which flowed from this want of specie,
and the comparative eau with which it might have been
supplied, justified the assertion that government were not
in smut la their desire to save Kars. (Hear hear.)
This was a strong statemeat, but be made it tearloWly sad
openly, aad—looking to the instants of the blue-book—he
thought he might add, sot unjutifiably. (Hear, beer.)
Oa the 3rd Aneust • noble earl, who had stannonely
endeavoured to hammer sense late the heads of his oppo-
nents, endeavoured to impale upon the goveremeat the
secessity of paying moms atteation to the sear in Asa, sad
when Lord Pawners was appealed t,, his answer was.
"The Turks in that quarter are able to deified themselves
spinet the eery." (Hear, hear.) He pat it to the house
whether a grower impositinn was ever practised on the
people of this country. (Opposition cheers.) Hed the
Duke of Newoutle aver dose anything like that ? If they
pardoned soak conduct is a War Minister, to talk of
ministerial respontibility any longer synth be • faros
He impeached the War Minister who mad* that
statement for a shameful perversion of duty, not only So his
lowireign and her allies, out to the sacred CUPS of truth.
Bet Kars was taken Kars was et send, and did any one
believe that our pleelpotentiary in retie was not met by the
Hessian with the conquest of Anatolia and the capture of
Kan? (Hear, hair.) He should imagine that the Int
thing the Hama plesipotooliary raid was, " We will give
you bat liana Bessarabia because we have taken Kars with
6,000 Kure miles of the surrounding province." How would
it have been bat fur the splendid victory of the beleitgured
cranium oa the 29th of September ? lied the
Roseau triumphed then, and by their victory
made easy a Bebe/quest conquest of Erman.,
where would you have bees then (Hear, hear.) Could
you doubt bat that were it not for the herois deeds of those
gallant men who dug from the earth the ninnies of decom-
posed animals to sustain them in thirir battle for their coun-
try, the peace just °Maimed would have been still lees suffi-
cient ? (Cheers) Bat at last they were obliged to ear-
' feeder Kan, and what then did Lord Penmen for the
chief ?—he knighted him. (A laugh.) Lord Careadon
thee oat @reseed, and called tor concinn punishment on
the Turkish pachas. Is particular he called for vengeance
on the head of the g•yernor of Erseroons, becalm,
with 6,000 men, he would not leave his outreach-
w etas to attack Moaratieff with 20,000 infantry,
10,000 eavalry, gad au laminae force of artillery. (Hear,
bear.) If Demerol Ilinamion had been at Enemies, would
he have game out? (Laughter) Weald he have bees
punished fee refusing ? No ; be would bays had three
modals (Onus sad laughter.) Lord Clareudeu sailed
these eseusaoders cowards, and sabeequsatly wrote a letter
to be read to the Porte whisk was a disgrace to the Righter
of this curtsey. His lordship, writing to Lord Stratford,
mid: " The parkins of Kan are rit.w suffering; perhaps
it may disturb the slumbers of the Turkish minister, who,
although be neglects 1411011, MTV/ ceases to prey for
their steno.' Wu that a letter which sh.ould
be writers to a sonnies by the representative
Of a friendly sovereign ? Was It laratilla or irate
He would ask the noble earl had be ever heard of
another country whose use west forth to fight its battles
and who were left to starve? Did the sefferiage of tilt as
brave fellows on that suasion ever disturb the repose of the
noble earl ? (Opposition cheers.) Had she noble earl Seer
beard of a maser, in which negleetfel officials were act die-
and punished foe their znissonauct, bat were is
daring defiaece of public opinion rewarded and promoted
is the suet Levers. ratio of their demerits. (Great cheer-
ier.) Did he ever bear of Turkey trying she judges who
had tried the esediessed ofileiaa, or that the vizier had
writhes to the Mile when on his trial that No matter what
they do In Cllllltaill protect you ?" So Dr bath es Angled
last the hos sad gallant member for Westminster retail in
vais on the goverasesut to devote some attention to Karl,
aad the hes. member for Aylesbety brought our relations
with Persia under settee with es little fake. Why, there
were not two men:buts la the house who would set have
tattled in In manatee in the library what ought te bodes' in
the case of Kan, sad what wee mon would nave guarasteed
la safety. It mu said in the public papers that there was
so lase is reealliag what was past. 'that might be true,
bet thou you 'Mehl take precautions for the (stun.
If they wished to prevent (attire blunders, they could hardly
velum le sidles his resolutions. He *skid them
afesrlesely
s ,
malti:r111111 01111 party more this another—for be
that all parties in that house were equally resolved
to suntan the honour of the counuy—he asked whether
they guild tenet • vote of edsoiratioo to the f English-
men who had eo distlaguished themselves is Kan ? (Hear,
hear.) He asked them. would they ream to ecknowladge
their obllgetions to the Turkish army, setae he had placed
first is his mobetkin, became he thought they deserved it
best ? They had given to oar distinguished countrymen all
the support they could—they had abed their blood, and
iodised famine and misery is every form and chaps. They
tenured Deseret Williams, exclaiming, " Singly was
uses such a puha," and never ones attempted to murmur
until sailed upon to stureader to as enemy whom they had
ersequered. Then ladled they dabbed their muskets to the
grown, and cursed the country by which they had been
betrayed. (Hoer.) Again, e'en they hesitate to say that
these gallant mos had bees neglected by her M•jesty's
ministers t He trailed set. He rested his resolutions oa
the teeth of hie case, and he invoked the voice of in im-
partial parliament as he enticipated the approving voice of
an indignast people. (Cheers.)

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL,havieg spologised for the
state of hie health, appealed to the honest to @amigo a win
discretion, and, descending from the lofty fights to whiele
they had bum led by the hen sod I member for En-
niskillen, to (chow him tato the claim face of the eau.
(Hear, boar) The cue of the goverameat depended solely
oa • simple ',stemmas of facts, and he trusted he should he
able to lay before the hours such a state meet ea would ia-
due them wholly to acquit the government. H. should
mot follow the hon. mad learned member tato the early his-
tory of Russia, for it was ao longer arcessary to stimulate
the people of Eaglaud to hostility Rimiest that isometry.
by potation out and recalling her various *gnus-
sive acts. Happily that was ro longer cemetery, for we
had arrived at a peace which, he believed he might ray
without fear of oomtradimion, had second all the oljacts for
which we minimally went to wsr He would come at once
to the use of Kars, and deal with Kars cone; and is doing
so it would be to go back to the etwoutetteemeat of
the war, to aseertaia what was the onsditian of the Turkish
army in Armenia whoa the B " h enurement u•dertook
to interfere. It was undauntedly true that the Tukhk
orally had thee been disoorallted. In the year '54 the Rua.
sins had in one it stases driven back the Turk., end Is
an attack subsequently the letter were again def. loud with
great slaughter. It was atter that mut that General Wil-
lis., was iutrueted to proceed as commissioner to the suet
of war in Anatolia; and is order to judge how ter the Bri-
tish government was responsible for the catastrophe of Karts
it would be necessary to describe the condition in which
Oatmeal Williams fosed the Turkish army on his arrival.
He (the Attorney-0 I) was not point to refer to blue-
hooky, bat he believed he wild rhow th thin, never was
an army lees wotthy of the Olaf of army than
was the Turkish face on his arrival. Ho de-
safterd them as in a mat !uneatable state of
diecii lime, siat•tenths of the vie t regiments of isfautry
never harden ens savior b. fire, sod many of them not
snowing how to load their muskets. They were destitute
of olotbieg, ammunition, and cares, and there war Out [Mier
days' premien is the fortress. The bones were on half
micas, and suable to support their riders fr m weskoess;
and eves of half mime thin was only all days' cu; ply.
Tne officers were, If pnesible' worse oft tt an the men; and
further, Omura Williams elercrtbed them as u tor.y in-
roespeUmet, sad unworthy of a military posinoo—incapable
when is atifille, sad when out of action, the
greatest set of robbers that ever diegricod the mime
of soldiers. The colonels robbed the men it the r ration.,
and the paeral-ia vie( war the teed of the oysters of
=plinider. Tea nudism' department was, if pot-
ill worse, having no sauliciries—uhiab, to be sure,
was mot so great a misfortune, .e, sectordiag to Dr. Hand-
al*, they were beespahle e f mils; them. It wen aim
allured that the Turkish doctors hod availed themselves of
their mud dokst to asks s rick Donut of their suns

asd iestrimeals, alleliag the= to have tura takes
by the Am.sisae, The only retr:4l'w. raved
were those seed is ch.tetre endwise, „„d, pu.
her, became. the paths. took their harems with
them. (A laugh) All these eirermatheete Rot he
taken int• estruletatios when the house came to
decide on the causes of die rotten,. General willies,.
went to remedy tots it.te of Mega, lint going to the ectin
madder, act I h n to the go 000000 -peril, of the provient.
Ile found the loth rtohe a sr-oat old officer, totally unfit
for his tali, dit sae with the greatest difficulty be get
best r evoke c ai•ph esertion. He then had to pt
rid t t the comenaader of Ktn, whose officers sod
see were all is a state of istubordiestion. It thes
Scam seers-ary ti Otter the ea operation of the Porte,
and occordinely Genteel Wittilliki put hieseelf in comment-
ca•iun no, o ly with Lord thireadon bat otth Lord Stratford.
He was inotracted to let us her Majesty's commission, sod
was to alp 1t • Lord Hoelas r edr.etione. The hog. and
learned 'Legator tie 4 dented the existence of such instruc-
tire ; bet the feet was test* was • despatch intent in which
Lord Rules gave (leased Waiters. the tallest iostructioss.
(Hear, be.r.) if the Porte did eat co-op:rate in this.
arrangement*, surely so t lase could attach to the British
eteivronisent. The coo duet i 4 the Teirkir officers was shame-
fel, cud one of feared WtdiamJs first sets we. to demised
that they efinuid he nomill d sad ter ught to penishmese
The sabit re* of thaw &retches was condessed into a
hMlu statement, and submitted by L Birth:ad de Red-
cloth to tie Tut oh governess,. which formed tbe reser.
toes of as opplicatioa to remedy the defects by radius
out supplies; 'oat woe to say, the military supplies wh.ce
O I Williams sogge•te.l should be sent by way of Tre.
h4oade. But ae that nuld sot he does in the winter the
strikes w. re to bee Antra Asia Miser, and be forwarded
to linierneas sod K ars Si far as it a: posted in reference
to the chases beer not •hish aaybody could ray there
wee eseliper of blame on tne part of Lord Stratford de
Boittlife. He was tof there to defend that ni hie lord in
rfecesto t s the enereepteilet cc with O 1 William. '
Ifetiody who wee conacious it want a man in a high official
position hilt at the sliehteit intimation of censure fr.= a
superior colloid fail to eel that the of Lord Clarendon,
searyed is his dem ao hes of the Gilt and 110 of
Jesuitry, 1865, must h eve oxis.ioned great pain to the
%divides' to whom tho-s desatches were eddresred.
Bet the queer ion be would oak woo this: were boa. gentle-
men opposite prepared to ay that the government ought to
have r called Lord Streator ? (Roar, hear) He arid
hon. and rep,' hon. paleness nppbite were they
prep red to steed up in their pluses and say that if lord
Derby'. goveroin.nr had bete is power they would have
recalled I, flosiford snot r these citeumotancet. (Minis-
terial cheer.) "R. collect." aid the t On. and leered gen-
tleman, " that tbe noble individual in question wag one of
the mint distiegui bed diplomatists whose revises the g .-
werneseet commend. He was no partisan of the pre-
✓at guvermateat." (1111. f, hue.) They had no interest
in eneintainieg him—be woe your instrument—of your
ewer creation, sad who your party had the op-
portunity of power you off.red him the place
of Setroury of State for Foreign Affairs. (Cheers.)
Led whoa afterwards you named another to that clan,
Lord Derby made him a •ocount, leaping over the sabot-
drat, step In the peters, thus marking big high same
of the di. tinpaithe4 eerier of Lord Stratford. (Hear,
hear.) It is welt knows %b et no man who ever filed the
post of British ambeosadir at Coestatitinot le stood so well,
or eseiceed so much infreece will the Porte, es that noble
lord. That he had been guilty ef • serious ou beton in nig
bean' to take no ice of the series of letters he received from
O I Willteme I eidert, bet I ask, when you topsider
what his ac have been in reference to the section' aria
tsar be sr...round to give to General Williams, if helms
sot Sea trod wanting in that respect, sorely you
are sot prepared to say that we ought to Dave recalled his.
(Hear, hear.) Sr nub I,r that pat of the ease. He
would pre .ed with the fee.. From that time they found
General Williams in constaat oomesunicatioa with Lord
Stratford, and after this rebuke from the British foreign
mainline t i our antbastalt r they found so Irk 01'ton/s-
--pondee,» or of energy os the p.rt of the latter to promote
the OhjeCt which o.e. Williams had at heart. It had been
said that when General Willius., in anewerieg lend Strat-
ford's letter, justified himself, and urged that he had not
been dealt with se he right to have bees, that Lord Cla
boron did not sufficiently vledieete him, and also that
Lord Stratford put to Lord Clarendon a question which
that Noble lord ought to have answered—vie., what
was the chairs! General Williams wee to be considered a.
eiseespyieg as the representative of her Majesty at the army
at Kars ? (Hear.) There would be force in that objecloo
were it sot luf the fact that in the meantime, under the
pergola' instructiocts of Lord Clamed's', Lord Strattord bad
*brier from the Turkish sr v. resent a firmer constituting
Oseeral Williems a general of d.yosion in the Turkish army,
which gar him • definite rank ; and farther, that through
bias a three had takes place r the command of the army
at Ears. 0. send Williams had represented that the paella
is command was unfit for the post, and Lord &faired
was ierracted to sr his endeavours to obtain a
fit p Ito the commend. The English government
were *otiose that a Europese gettersl should he appointed,
but the Turkish government, is its jealousy of (serer',
would not sonde to that prop:tithes' and Ismail Parka was
apported. Is the end, h , Shukri Pecks was r-
emand. with the sistersce of another puha as chief of hie
ref. Is the deeps:ones they would see that °mural
Willies. remonstrated about the difil s be had to moot,
sad that he wee err by the most scive ex-operatics sad
mistare from both Lased Clareadrn sad Lewd Sinatra—
bat thb the hoe. and I d gentleman bad thous hit fit le
psis over air "ether, because it did see tell Is his favour.
!Matti Poch., on berg Reported to the etommaed, set to
work to counteract ell the attempts of General Wile
liras to Improve the diseiplias of the arse, is
weigh he war admirably e goaded by 81rri Paths.
The ben. and I gentlessa (Mr. Whiteside) mid that
the British government ought to have seat ages there. East
men to theta ! From whence were they to have some ?
(Hear, heat) It we. easy to make such charges; it was
easy to es., "L ink to the great imp risme of Afliffia;
sourer the importer of basis( Kan and Etiefella
If hese fell, the essay will he atCoastantinople before you
Mow where yes sees." He (the Atte Try-Cheer) ad-
twitted that it was Impresses that th.t part of Asia stroll
ramie is the hands of Turkey; he admitted that it was
impatient top serve Kars from tallicg into the heads of
the enemy ; but the queetios was, how was it to be done ?
It NW ell very well to my Sty ought to have done
it; hat where were the mesas ? The country bad just
awskseed out of a rep pear, sad when It ear areseary to
eery as army into the Cronies, the goverment had to raise
meta wherever they could he found—to take the troops from
oar gerrisore, at d eep,ely there 1014014 with militia ; and ell
they could do was scarcely sufficient to supply the fore re-
quired toilet is that part el le world. When thee, wars
Ins men to he toned to be rut to Armenia? It sever s-
ound is General to suggest that any poetics of
the Crimean army should be withdraws to send to Ar-
mak • that world have been toe wild and absurd s pro.
purities. The Turkish pommel rid they mild mad
ever a eerier sharer of men from Bates. where they
had, motley supposed, 16,000 MS, and they said they err
rad err 10,000 men to streogthes the army at Kars and Br-
mem ; bat won they came to semis. the matter it was
Sound that, inste• I of 16,000 men at Bat reo, there error',
3,760. it was thou oroptsid that the British testiness& of
30.000 met should bs sent, together with Beateon's Hone.
3,000, sad 6,000 me from Bulgaria—and that toe.,
should lard as the east of Corner, and Om make a
disrobe is the rear of the Amiss army. It wee tree
that the gaverament did sot adopt that proposition; sad
why ? Is the first elm, General Voviaa's ratiagest son-
slated of leers only recently made—of perfectly raw troops
with whom the Olaf re were soar ly uquarted, and who,
is the mouth to' January, were is each a 'sedi-
tion that Omer Paths himself declared they were
wholly unfit for service. But heyead this we knew
sothieg of the c ratty where it was proposed these boles
should operate—we ken w nadir" of the toads—we had so
sepolise there ; and h. would silt if they bad lest • force of
30,000 or 40.000 men leader Nor eirrastanete, and the
espedition had failed, what would have beta said Is that
ease ? (Hear, hear) But the goveramest, this. h they
would sot treat the Turkish Conuomiat Is seek • dere-
rate enterprise, rid if Omer Pasha we. prepared to under-
take it with goy part or his army they would be happy to
co-operate with him That proposition w refased ; end
It was thee suggested that Omer Peeba atria eke his own
erne. sad he, atter eseisslting his own goversuat at Con-
stsai Swell', prepaid to take the Turkish fors ter at Bees
Doris, to which *err he added 10,000 ma from Bulgaria;
that these should land in armor and eadeavesr to mate
a diveralon. The Britith prenimest were prepared to
reeds to thee. but it use necessary to obtaia the seem-
rem of tee Fret chi pevernmeost to the withdrawal of the
Turkish force from Repot iris. At first the Freer go-
wersesent, through N. Welewri, declined to give Ito era-
seat, coasideriag that ell the efforts "(the allise should be
meentrated against Bebootee-4; bat subsequently, es the
repreeentaiioa of Lord Cowry, they gave way, and eon-
stirred to the prepositios on condition that the amebae ef
Ilexes before Sebastopol should not be diminished. It
might be severed that all difficulty was thus
fa=er ; her that was not the ear. Omer Paths,
of taking the troop. from Espateria, posi-
tively refused to go lisle.. he was permit ed to take the
Turkish torte *termed at Balakisva, which was etorpord
et the troops who had reseed under him es the Danube,
sad in whom he had roadster' whereas the hoops et
liapatorla were Egyptiers, w 1 o had sot served with him
before. This ranged the "epeet of things, aid the Britsh
Rummest sad tett to oblate the roceriesee of the
Frisch Clorrneneet to the proposal of Omer Psalm This
was the despatch :

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Thar was. distill Lastest 28, 1866 ; aad if It hod to.. acted
ea promptly Can would sot have talk. Bee share wee •
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Now it Sward out that loth the allied ones& MI the

wry penteet °biotite', mad they objected is the met pe-
mergeogy manner, to any hoot* being removed from Bala
Maya ; sad General Simplon, in partieulae, protested Is the
shot gest mans er sparest the Turkish Contingent, is im
'then ineomplete state of discipline, beteg seta to jell
the ha pi before Seba.topol. He (the Attorney-Gei472
waived to know what the s Cieh and lamed gentles=
my that the British g aaaaa meat ought to him done,
pieced is the ;saltier in which they were. What did he
melts to s.y ? Would tbey have been justified in
sending half t f tae men before &baste; ol to Asia Minor ?
II tk y hid done so, sad any dissect had wearied is the
Crimi a, what then What would then have been the vita-
. peiathies of the hen. and boned 'isthmian? How the
hoes* would haes root with smueetioos 'gaunt the
' government for h tete' edooted so irjedicions a policy. The
' ton gentlemen a. d that the government ought to heroical
supplies to KW. Why, it never entered into the mind
of say one but that supplies in abundance could be got in
Asia Minor ; elthough arms end ammunition were to be
sent from Co stentiniole, aid L .rd Stratford de Reach&
was conttent n hot • Hot's to 'noose the Turkish govern-
' sent to seed arms sod ammeeitioe, sad he was constantly
teeniest himself to the eimost to get supplies seat; sad
they were sent, for General Williams acknowledged the
receipt of a quaatity of teeier, of bells for the large guise,
sad a rtiotora went of .00 er 400 artillerymen. It was
true that • great port... of those sunbelt sever reibelied
their datioartoe, but wire stepped at Basermen ;
bet tee B ' b "overemeet wee sot responsible for
I that. Tory could not watch the Turkish goverment at
every step they took ; bet everyt t ing was done whisk would
induce titian to send sapp tee to that army. The hon. and
Lased be title., erd that we ought to have seat mosey.
Mosey ! le what form ? Asa gift or es • loan ? HOOT.
hear, and cheer.) It the rouse had been asked to seed
m aey se • grit, th- go,. rem et would here been told that,
they were abort to resume the bad system of subsidising.'
("Mar. hear," alio chests) They did ask fora loan, and
bow et. re they met ? Hear, hear," and cheers.) They
'eked to be at diary to mile a Turkish Contingent, which
would he the met • Hommel mode of sffordieg relief to the
Teske--o fora of efficient soldiers, commanded by eMcient
eaters. The soldier wee in himself brave, and
active, and enduring ; bet the taken were is every mute
hid sad limbless. The government wasted to get to-1
pier a Turkish force, well armed and diseipliaed, sod
well ellieseed. That was whet was wanted, sad the
gmereepeet asked for it. How were they of ? Who me
so loud sad vehement in hi. opposition to the Turkish Con-
tingent as the hon. coo harried gentleman opposite—(hear,
hear) —and when the government asked for a loan, 'bey
ware told that it was • subsidy in divot's* and that no
sufficient ease of necessity for it had bees mode out.
I (Hear.) The hon. and learned athogen voted molest
the Turkish loin —(.' hear, hear," sad cheer.)—ad was
' one of thme who almost defeated the gaveremeet in that
effort to send .1.1.1•000 to Turk'y. (" Hear, hear," and
'beers.) He did not aiation the =wives of the boa. god
learned geallemen. Ni doubt he thought that sending
Titania, essistsne. to Turkey was a false and vicious
policy ; he did not Dime the hon. gentleman for acting on
his conscientious e nvietione ; bet be did protest against
the irjest,oi sod the in.quity of tensing round on the go
veremot and saving that h y had not done their best to
elitist Turkey. (ile.r, hear) And yet tbat was the sum
god otbrahes of the charge estates' the goorromissit. He
amid pet aside the fringe and gloss of the ease, the skillet
selection of deepetch.4 here and there ; be would look at
the real awe., sod not at attacks on the style ad toes of
Lord Stratford'. &grata*. ; and that real charge was,
woether the government had tried everything in their
rower to relieve Kars or tad failed to do so. (Hear,
beer) What he wanted to know was, the pre-
, cis. mad specific point tie which the governesses,
' eight to have come forward fa order to prevent the fall of
K.,., bet did not'd •Po. (Hear, bear.) Although it wee
not the part of a m re man to Judie of events, yet it was
not improper to comoder what had been the result of the
fall of Kars. The hon, and learned gentleman said thet
it was altar that the fall of Kars would be the downfall of
the Turkish empire; yet he (S r A Coekbore) was Inclined
to think that the col,ey of concentrating ad our energies Is
the Crimea and Sebes opol, and making that the vial key of
suece.. was by no meat s itjudieioue. The result had hems
that Seloastopol tell, sad Kars fell also. But had the Turkish
• p're fallen? Had the enemy merelted•ponConstantimple?
So far hom that, the enemy had not advanced a dap
towards Constsetinople. Wm Its British government,
were the elite., responsible for the fall of Kan Were
there not abundance i f forces in Tetkey by mesas of which
"she could have relieved Asia Idiom herself ? It might be staid
that her Majesty'. m.nisters had not carried on theme with
skill or viper; his what had beds the result? TM fetid
'tattoos of pea-c lad been exchanged; the oubitasee of it
war known all coy the wild. Probably before to smog.
mw's sue bed sot the heralds of peen meld have pro-
"kilned it to the world. Ueda whet eircsmstances
was this modes Imought forward ? The objects of
tt e war had been attained, Turkey had been saved the
Kaman schemes of aggrandisement. And what wee the
apathies of Great Britain ? When wore her power or her
resources so great? Who could have witeeseed that noble
',feted. which we saw on Wednesday last—(roars of
laughter, which continued Noma tim.)—he regretted that
when he toek the liberty of referring to the spectacle pre-
empted by that noble fleet, hoe, r nehmen should think it a
output I. r ridicule mud latighter. (" Hear, hear," sod
Iseghter.) He should think thi.t no Briton could have con-
templet's' 'het sight without exaltation end pride, because
it Meetly showed that while our ••11317 was exhausted
by Its eff.rte to sustain a defensive war, Great Britain was
never is ato tter patio: to catty on an ottenslvo war. To
whom was that due ? Pertly, no doubt, to partisans;
which hod Sound the means of supplying such a meta
meet ; but eonatthing had been cone by those who le em
short a specie of time bad produced • force sever before
equalled. Wes the house prorated to censure a mialstry
that had obtelned am hoeourahle peace, and still pre-
served the means of meletaiaieg a loop sad
pretreated war ? Tao honeer•ble sod learned path.
masa is the midst of the eaultsti..n with which the pease
was sheet to be reettived, had found me little dark spot
cia wbich he hanged. That toiler., on which he bad laid so
much stores, kid produeed so fatal results, and bad not
prevented the attaismient of a hi; py and honourable page.
The hue. and learned gentlemen might think it afforded
the mean of • party attach, and he did act blares him, if
be theme t it would do his party any good; hut he haltered
that the meshy wee too rime's, sad tee jest for that
cause to aMa the brand of masers ea her Majesty's govern-
ment. (Hear, hear )
Ler I J. MANNSRS eosteadol that the lots ef Kars
presented a fatal blot upon the military fame of Mislead,
and was at.ributable solely to the want of energy, and
foresight, and ability on the past of the &high gtv•rt-
meat. This emaciation he supported by a detailed sandiest
of the erects in comic*, aosompamied by *opiate refer-
ence, to the blue-hooka.

After the ao•le lord sat (lowa there woe a long pause, mad
repeated sues for a di• s on ; at koatts

Mr. J. O. PH ILLINIORE roar and owned that the &-
bate should be sdj anted. (No, so )
11111 LORD ADVOCATE said then was one string ob.
to the very sp•ciol 11110t{0111 which the how. sad
tearned imatleman had placed oa the paper—thet it was sot
use. (Hear, bear.) If then was one was who had sorted
bins.-It sore. than another from first to last. It was Lord
Clareadoe. (Ctie. r..) This had bees is elect admitted
by Mr. Whit side, otiose Isis 'Week was is the Pint is-
muses directed against oor &shortage at Coastainisople,
thoneb, before hr @masted hie mem., he would maks it
appear %het lit 1 Stratford bad bees the esergetie promoter
of measures of reil.st, and that he had had difinelty is
bringing Lord Clarendon op to the mark. (lbw, hear.)
When Demers Wiiiiame was seat to Ken, the Turkish
stay was utterly dienrganiard. the Turkish ram were
pleat* is oorraptios ; and, under these Cifelfilillialleet, it
we thought by the governesses that it would be desirable to
have os toe spot wise one who would seal them accurate
repots Cl the aims of Hasp. AU that was chased
against Lord Stratford was that he had seglemed to tones-
Nod with o.seral Williams; but whatever might have
ee the welt of hi/ileac* It had ashler, to do with the
fell of Eses ; ris Dmidaber. 1834, that silence tossed.
The s. sad foamed pestles= had bees plumed to make
some naafi' os the Minister of War, as welt as the Portia
&credal, : ha was pleased to give • descriptlin of the
capacity of the Minister of War. He begged leave me say
that that sialeter's reputatiou did set depend as the ben.
sad Seised gentles=; he had a mesument of whieb the
hoe. sad learned gestlemen meld sot deprive him. net
Emolument was this, that Irbil* the state of the sea y 4 the
Crimea was as lamentable wham he west into *See, the
army, after having seamed thrmegli a Crimean Water, was
sow eves more isealthy than whoa at boss. Is 1864
it was So sees that imps for the defence of
Rare weld be deficient; that was foresees by
Mr lisiesty's goo remit sad by Gesso! Wit
limes alas. It did sot follow that ber Majesty's go-
' verament were basal to sad tamps. Than was a great
enterprise demodiag Ia the Crimea, sad math that enter-
prise arse emspleted, it we • natter kr the inertia, of di*
erases te whit cutest It was pomible te send succours, even
for thetas of set/calm Ran. A variety of wraiths's
were made. Omer Paths said if they would allow his ta
take his Turkish troop. to, before &Mesterei he would
sadetrtake, by way of Georgia, to Mime Ears, bet her
lbjesty's gevernesent mime to the esseistdes that it wee
sot a este sad Wee comae to withdraw Wee troops. Eves
asepsis, that the War litsisters bad eons to mother
ileaciestos they were setiog in alliance with other; own,
and their haws were not unfettered. That was an answer
to the water part of the boo. sal lensed gentleman's
speech.:When hoe. members caste forward to make • cheep
of outlet seamy sad foresight es the part of the JUDOS'
govenmest, he told them that the abuse was mot seam-
Med by a single syllable is that book, and that their
*aloe would sot be Melted by • majority of that boase.
Mr. J. G. POILLIMORE moved that the debate be
adjouswod se Ode day.
Mr. 0. MOORE said his has, fries& the members for
Weaferd and Galway had Reties ea the paper, aid he was
ourtaba they would sot give way.

Lard PALMBRSTON hoped that 1.. &halo of this
ia which so foe hod spokes, mid so tibia so
=say etbies wore oaxioss to spook, has. groalkooso
spoosst sot puss soy moth* thst they night Imo
I. the vs,.

Mr. G. MOORE stud lots Ma. triads this'll Mob ow.
gem of men aossequesc• this Mile.
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The aria for as adjeersseest wee thee pet sad
speed ie.

COAL-WHIPPZIN (PORT OF LONDON).
Oa the ardat vitae day for goad( law assandiad is
this solder,

insulted a potitio• from the is.

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