The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-02 00:00:00

chosen to be victimised. (Hear, hear.)
in aid would, he repeated, alienate from us the Of
eetian
the emple of the north Ireland ; for shoy
behold a pressure placed upon them to
them down. The conduct of the people of 13114
had been exemplary in the extreme. Tint, teadtaq
had ever been towards England—they had sever hem th,
firm friends of English connexion—they were anxious tolook
to and to stand by England u one common country. Bo
he warned the government that this proposed rate had to it
no principle of justice, and that if they were determbild to
perseverewith it in the absence of all reason, he should, to
the utmost of his humble ability, continue teepees', kt
the consequences be what they might. (General cheering.)
Sir G. GREY said—The two hon. gentlemen who °moo
the motion that you should now leave the chair, sir, %vest
to me, upon this occasion, to havo adopted a moat entry/di.
nary course—(cheep)—for, about two hours ago, when the
hon. gentleman the member for Rochdale (Mr!Crawirso)
moved a resolution as an amendment on the motion that yos
should leave the chair, the noble lord whom I see Oppo,it,
(Viscount Cutlereagh), and other Irish members, upon clot
appeared to me sensible and rational grounds, degree:stet
any consumption of the time of the house in dimming that
abstract resolution, and grudged even the time occupied ii
dividing the house, because they were anxious that my nobh
friend should avail himself of the only opportunity cobs
the forms of the house allow him, to move the resolution or
which he gave notice, and which cannot be moved until ty
Speaker has left the chair. (Cheer.) No owner his tbot
resolution been disposed of, although my noble triad try
prepared to state the grounds upon which he is about toady,
mit to the house the resolution of which he has Os%
notice, than no gets the hoc. member fir Radncrshire (64
J. Walsh), and dilates upon the contrast between the datum
of business in the present end the last session of parliament.
He exhibits a decided preference for the system of coneys.
tively short speeches, and then, in the absence of any fad;
ha draws largely upon his imagination for the purpose of
occupying the time of the house for 50 long annutes,l
order to prevent my noble friend from making the prop*.
pion which he was about is submit. (Cheers.) Then, the
hon. gentleman who spoke last, whom I excuse, beau
from his small experience in the house, I believe he was sot
aware of what he was doing, in very indignant lingua It.
preaches my noble friend for making a impolitic,'
which he never has made, ant which he cannot nay
until the Speaker has left the chair. (Hear, her
This great objection to going into committee is accommisi,
with another remarkable circumstance. It was conaretmt
for both those gentlemen, who are prepared to consent, g
necessary, to levy this money in Ireland, to show their um.
city by nearing an amendment to the proposition. I see
merely to deprecate a continuance of those preliminary din
elusions, which can only have the effect which those.
gentleman the member for Radnor described, viz., of pt.
trotting our deba'es, and of preventing the despatch of hi.
ness. It will prevent my noble friend from laying boo,
the house his proposition on the part of the mutat;
and that at a time that these papers show there is s
immediate necessity for waking some provision, which on
only be proposed in a committee of the house, foe impeding
the starvation of a number of the inhabitants or thus
western unions. I do, therefore, hope that they grew.
nary discussions may bow terminate, and that the boy, vii
not refuse to my noble friend the opportunity, the only oos
which the
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resolution with a statement of the grounds on *bribe mkt
the house to accede to it.

Mr. DISRAELI—There seems to be some miscoreptits
on the part of the right hon. gentleman who has jut
addressed the house as to the manner in which the bursa
of the house should be conducted on this comae C.
Wetly there was a resolution on the paper which I bold it
my hand, moved by the hon. member for Rochdale, yoke
which I and many other gentlemen on this side of theism
thought it our duty to vote. That was a resolution widdi 1
will recall to the recollection of the hen*. It invaded
declare " that it is unconstitutional and unjust toenail
Ireland separate- national taxation for the "wants of pa
ticulu localities, so long as the public general rues
of Ireland is paid into an imperial treasury, sad plush
the disposal of an imperial legislature for the red
purposes of the united kingdom." Now, sir, I, at
one, could not assent to the proposition of the ha
member for Rochdale. if the financial system of Id Im
countries had been identical—if there were a fiscal, Mal
is a political, union between the two countries, I, kw
should have voted in the unto lobby as the hoe. wed
for EAchdalo ; but, remembering that the system d
ation in England and Ireland are different; read**
that bee Majesty's subjects in Ireland are not lid era
window tax, to the other assessed taxes, and to the
perty tax, I thought that the proposition whisk
hon. gentleman called upon us to affirm, tilt k
was unconstituti mat and unjust to import os Wei
separate national taxation from the taxation whisk lid*
in England, was not a proposition which I really toll
support, and I must say that I cannot approve of that et
of those tactics which are sometimes adopted by the we
hers fur Ireland in this house on fiscal subjects, duo
insisting that there shall be a difference between the to
countries ; while on political subjects they are always way
to affirm that the two countries are identical. But the other
proposition before us was a proposition of the govemmte
that we should go into committee. in fact to suction th
scheme of the government. Well, sir, 1 vet equal
opposed to the proposition of the government,
I was opposed to the proposition of the honocuttit
member for Rochdale ; and is it not evident, after the on
regulations to which we have all agreed for the digated
public business, that until the motion of the hon. nests
for Rochdale was disposed of, it was totally Imposnfile
oppose the scheme of the government, except by mom
direct negative on the motion that you do leave the chsk tb
hon. gentleman, in a tone of great indignation, says,"
not known to all of you—to every member of this kw
that you are opposing the only means by which tic
minister could explain the policy which he is ties
to recommend to your notice ? I do not arts sir
the honourable gentleman. (Hear.) The noble kr
might have risen immediately the question was woe
and might have moved the question, and he might
made an exposition of the reasons which induced Est
to the house to adopt this resolution. It wad
EavPit°l7:en not an unusual course ; it would have bees s see
coarse ; it would have been a respectful course. Bin*
hon. colleague last year entered into &preliminary upcite
of the policy of the government on the subject of then*
gation lows, and the necessity was not en strong rtY
present ; because, in that case, the right dam*
gentleman had not placed his resolution ce its
table of the house. We were not in possession of tit
policy of the government, and it was out of oar pawn
enter into a preliminary discussion, but the gods*
having placed their policy on the table of the hoase,sodill
could be more legitimate than for the noble lord hineele
have risen, and entered into a general detail of the rose
which induced him to adopt this policy; and, as her*
to take that step, nothing could be more legitimate the
for the hon. member for Radaconhire to have adopted *
course which he has most properly adopted. Sir, I iltri
say, that, under any circumstances, that ought s
have been the course of the noble lore is
if not token by him, was the justifiable rade
on the part of my hon. friend. But are there *per*
circumstances in the present case, which are apt to nits th
=pinions of hon. gentlemen ; to stimulate their criticr
and to take the earliest, and every lawful oproteoll!
canvass the policy of the government ? (Hear, hash fie
Cpoolil.cySsoibmthaotrpur.e),
soHawyeellwdeigeevisteddens,
feoubendfoedro
onw thsuch
a
information and supported by those previous investirld
that wa are to be in a haste and a hurry to wry it at
a legislative form? I say, the circumstances sada whit
this resolution has been placed on the table of the dd.
very remarkable, and what is the use of being is a Moe
in sanctioning these resolutions ? In another pleas tilf
resolutions have also appeared, and in another place, st
request and intimation of the leading minder 0111°.
crown in that place, they have proceeded to **bleb s as
mittee to receive evidence in support of these ruled,
(Hear, hear.) What is the use then of being in tub
hurry to send up our sanction of these moldiest
there will be abundant opportunities for model
that there are sufficient reasons to adopt them
take it for granted that in that place they
well
sue their affairs in a business-like
Wry to the country. I take it for granted that tin"
least, heft* they adopt a resolution like this, they
be sure there is a good foundation for the step whirl
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recommend to the adoption of the house ;
lout, form some estimate of the funds that may
apse
this theyu",eso`
this proposition ; that they will at least have sons *.Z
the manner in which those funds are to be Impair, 0'
they will take care that before they come forward tefftr
a rate in aid in the north or Ireland there is a worn!,
stadia', and comprehensive valuation upon which to r"
(Hear, hear.) These are all circumstances sad eon
iv
tions that no doubt will accrue to thou who, in soother,
are considering this question; and depend upon it,
enter into this investigation ft would be some tics
they arrive at • conclusion ; and therefore there is so mf
the House of Commons should be nokkgill;,'"

why
of precipitation, to pan, on an ousasien so hg'—
as the present, a resolution so unprecedented in its rlo°-„,
and which, in its effects, may lie so enormous. I, s.he
mutt take this opportunity of protesting against
_st
elusion that, because I am opposed to this MGM'',
the government with respect to the rate• :„"
I am opposed to a satisfactory system saw.
offer auxili
at ary assistance to Ireland. I
du my 0604,,
I said first, that it was the sty 6 ,
government, with respect to the Irish poor law, to hawl
parliament with a comprehensive measure.
that tho Chancellor of the Excheqner Old IU, la
gesso.
support the vote of 50,0001., that 12 months les
net been aid to the district, so destructive a lOW
ef
and misery would have accrued that the imaginme
oil
scarcely conceive. That was 12 months ago,
and
know, if the present palley is pursued, wait 6,r,,,„1
condition 12 months hence ? (Hear, hair./
that Use government ought to have
with a measure which would have settled the
the area of taxation, of the arrears of rent, sea 0
land ; that if they had come forward with a
and well-digested measure on these subjects, 110
would have found no ssifticulty in obtaining the
all parties la this house to measures of a t mproLd
ter ; and for this reason, because, under such elseeTig
such propositions of pecuniary aid would have basLio
porary character ; but under the eiretunslartes 1•01',
they are now brought forward, I want to kulse_rios
maintain they are of a ti.mporary character, whrrthas
being con foresee that the eireumstainses to star_Throi
appliedeannever change. These are my viewsgsurat
question. I think there is a proper opportunist r„,/
°
and ample discussion of it. I have risen now utleePn
after the appeal to the house of the right hon.gthilig
Secretary of State. I protest against the sputter
Imy that if ou yield to such a polity, esPe6lll37-rM
mulatto= we hove lately introduced, so to the 9Va