The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-25 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 25, 1848.

MUNTZ, from the Reform League of Binning
Dam, oomplairung of cummecial distries ; and against the prorogation
of parliament until rernediul measures had been adopted.—Mr.l
WAKLEV, from a surgeon In the Pembroke Union, complaining t
having been unfairly treated by the poov.law oomnitsnoners in a
medical election under the Poor Law Act, an unqualified oompetittav
having been appointed in his stead from political bias. Alma petition
from four surgeons in Susie:, foe medical reform. Also a pal.
tion from Mr. W. Cohbett, complaining of the operation of the law
I of civil In.prisonment.—Mr. VERNON, from a plea in Cornwall,
against the Copper and Lead Duties BUL—Mr. P. SCRUFF:, from Not-
ot
tingham, romplaining of distreas, end pea) log for the application
the waste lands of the country sea remedy.—Lord 0. BENIINCK,
from Cairne Bray Mine, against the Copper I odes Bill.
RETURN ORDERED.—On the motion of Capt. eScIIELL, va-
rious returns respecting chronometers placed for trial at the 11°70'
Oterrvatory st Greenwich.
NOTICE OF MOTION. TRITNNIAL PAILTAXINTS.—Lord D.
STUART, early next session, to move for leave to bring in a bill for
limiting the duration of parliaments to three Jyears.
UNLAWFUL OATHS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the third reading of this bill,
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said it wa s not his intention to op-
, pose the third reading of this bill, but he whaled to call the
attention of the house to the relation in which the govern-
ment stood towards Ireland. Her Majesty in her speech
trom the throne recommen red reinedia measures for that
*sentry ; but, instead of remedial measures, there was a sue-
, cession of coercive acts. The bill for the rale of incumbeted
estates was indeed passed, but in the present depressed state
of Ireland, capitalists would not be likely to invest money in
the purchase of land there. Her Majesty particularly referred
to the landlord and tenant question, but nothing had been
done to improve the relation between landlords and tenants.
He hoped the government would state what they really
meant to do on this important subject. It seemed to be the
disposition of government now to rely entirely on coercive
measures. It had been said that the canoe of the distress in
Ireland was agitation, but he denied that to be the case; he
attributed it to the waist of security in the tenure of land.
Another great measure that was required for Ireland was to
give security for the expenditure of capital on the laud. He
had no doubt that these were the two great measures re-
quired for the improvement of Ireland. It was a mistake to
peas a poor law for Ireland without accompanying it with
those other measures recommended by the Devon commission.
He respectfully called the attention of government to then
recommendations which he believed were indispensable for
the restoration of Ireland to prosperity. The distress in Ire-
lead, next year would be unprecedented. The growth of the
potatoes was stopped by the blast which had come upon
them, and the consequence would be that many unions would
be swamped, and the people reduced to the utmost des. itu-
Lion. The people must either starve or get employment to
enable them to purchase food. Ho thought nothing could
he a greater evil than to give employment or food without
the application of some test. He did not think it right on
the present occasion to allude to political measures. Attempts
had been made to excite the people of Ireland to armed op-
' position to the government, but those attempts had failed,
sad the government were thereiore still in a position to apply
remedial measures to meet the present distresa.
The SPEAKER begged to remind the hon. member that
the question before the house was the third reading of the
Unlawful Oaths Bill.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he did not think he was out of
order in calling the attention of the government to the pre.
sent state of Ireland.
Sir G. GREY said that lie did not wish to interrupt the
hon. gentleman, but he must recollect that a short time ago
be brought forward an independent motion on the same sub-
ct to which he, on the part of the government, gave •
lelengthened reply.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said he would not trouble the house
further, but would content himself with proposing the
amendment, of which he had given notice. lie did not ob-
ject to the power itself which the bill gave, but he thought
it would be more safely entrusted to the Lord. Lieutenant
than to the justices of the pesos. lie would not, however,
divide the house if the government opposed his amendment.
Sir G. GREY said that it was the intention of the govern.
ment to introduce a bill on the subject of landlord and
tenant next session. With regard to the amendment, the
question it involved had been maturely considered, but it
was found that if the power was given to the Lord Lieu-
tenant, it wculd be practically useless in a great majority of
cases. But, in fact, the executive government was ulti-
mately responsible for the exercise of this power.
Mr. F. SCROPE said that the disaffection in Ireland was
owing to acknowledged grievances—he alluded to grievances
of • social kind. One long chain of coercive measures had
been drawn out during the session to repress that disaffection,
and he regretted that so little had been done of a remedial
character. Nothing had been done effectuahy to check
those wholesale evictions which were the great evil to which
the poor tenants were subjected. It was said that it
was not distress that drove the people to attempt
rebellion in Ireland, otherwise it would have been at-
tempted in Mayo and not in Tipperary. But what
was the fact? Why, that in Tipperary there were
more evictions than in any other part of Ireland. He read
a statement in the Tipperary Verdicator, two weeks ego,
that a larger number of evictions bad taken place in that
county than in any former period. No less than 401ithonees
had been pulled down in one place. Was it surprising that
a people who were treated in such a way should have re-
count to any measures to resist? He protested against the
injury that was done in the eyes of the world to the constitu-
tional system of England, by the treatment which Ireland
I received at the bands of this country.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that no person wee MAIM tip.
posed to secret societies than he, because he was aware *at
they always ended in the destruction of those who VMS NW
cerned in them. He would be prepared to show that the
individual who had given information to the government
respecting political associations in England was the very
person who established them. He would consent to
any coercive measures for Ireland till justice was done to the,
working classes of this country. He was sorry his hoe.
friend withdrew his amendment. But if no one else was
found to do so, he would move that the bill be read • third
time that day six months.

The motion was negatived without • division, and the bill
was read a third time and passed.
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS 'WITH THE COURT
OF ROME BILL.
Oa the motion that the hones Mersld go into Mortiaires on
this iii, . •
Mrb. ANSTEY moved, as an amendment, that the till be
commuted that day three months.
Mr. URQUHART seconded the amendment.
Sie J. TIfRELL mid that the popular view taken ef the
present measure was, that the noble lord intended to govern
Ireland through the medium of the Bishop of Rome. The
hon. baronet then proceeded to read • letter, da:ed the 6th
of August, which contained some severe reflections on the
conduct of a Roman utholie clergyman at Templeknowe, in
Ireland.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL called the hon. baronet to order.
S.r J. TYRELL said the bon member wits so selnom
in the house ss probably to have forgotten the rules by
which its debates were goverced. (Hear) He was quite
in order. The letter be quoted had reference to the objects
of the bill, which it would almost seem the noble lord could
not satisfactorily explain. The hon. baronet then proceeded
to read some other letters relative to the state of Ireland, and
concluded by expressing his hostility to the bill before the
house.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was very unreasonable in
the hon.
.baronet t i expect the government to enter inn. an
explanation of the objects ef the bill after the long POKES.
EIPEE on the second reading. The lien. baronet had read •
private letter to the house, the writer of which stated that
tile priests in Ireland ought to be exterminated. If the priest
at Ternpleknowe did incite the people to tear down the pro
'Lunation his conduct was very reprehensible, but that was
only the conduct of an ini.ividual, and i., was counter
balanced by numberless contrary instances of loyalty on the
part of the !Leman catholic priests. The hon. memLer for
Youghal had complained that he (Lord J. Russell) hnd not
answered his speech on a former occasion; but he confessed
that he had been totally unable to discover any gelid argu-
ments amidst the vast quantity of fluid in which the hon.
member conveyed He did not propose to enter into
any discussion on thesubject of the bill at present, the argu-
ments in favour of it adduced by the law lords in the upper
house having been perfectly satisfactory to him.
Ed,thlerdt tthheenhuleselosrwelahyaiflr,oimn his
the usual
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humouredUN manner, a n'ani ear
t before it, and had entirely evaded the principle invols .
the present measure. The government had waited until
every member was jaded and tired opt before they had
brought the bill forward, and at the extreme end of tin.
yea rn the noble lord pressed it, knowing that he bad
working majority which would enable him to carry it e
against the opposition. So far from the course adopted,
the opponents to the bill being factious, they ce y
availed themselves of a great parliamentary privileee,
which, by means of moving repeated adjournments, or eel
• minority to delay and often to defeat mewures which + bey
considered hurtful. The government had practised a ur-
prise by letting the bill sleep fur four moats on the • .ble
and then pressing it suddenly forward, and he should make
we of the constitutional privilege to which he referred to
atop and ti defeat the measure. lie would put the noole lord
to the test of pelitical integrity and ask him to make • call of
the hour, which, if it was responded to, would at once
try his sincerity. in respect to the present measure. The
noble lord had given resson to the house to inter that it was
not his intention to press the boil during the present session,
and it was unfair to press it forward in the manner that had
been resorted to.
Lord J. RUSSELL explained that he had always stated
it to be his intention to press the present bill through all its
steps during the present session, whenever the state of tee
public brine.' permitted.
Mr. WORM:3OR expressed his intention to give the bill
his cordial support, notwithstanding the factious opposition
that was opposed on the other side to its progress.
Mr. FORBES would give all the opposition in his
power to the bill, which was, in his opinion, another blow at
the protestant constitution of the country.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL trusted he should obtain the atten-
tion of the house ter • few moments, while he gave his
opinion on this bill, the more especially es it was the first
time he bad had an opportunity of speaking on it. He bad
been accused of absence ; but if he had been absent it had
been in the cause of order, endeavouring to pre-
serve the people from the abyss of insurrection and crime 1
into which • small portion had plunged. (Hear, hear.) lie
did not consider the opposition to the bill • factious opposi-
tion: on the contrary, he was more inclined to apply the'
term factious to the indecent haste with which it was sought
tolts pushed through the house. Ile
togthouht the policy it
indicated most unwise. It it was sought make the clergy
useful in the government of Ireland, there were better ways
of doing so than by seeking facilities fir carrying on in-
trigues with the Pope. His holiness would, he was sure,
throw back this bill as an insult ; he wouldgy not attempt to
fetter the independence of the Irish cler ; but even if so
unwise as to attempt it, the object would be defeated by the
people of Ireland. The only effect this bill could heve, if
suet, ssful, would be to alienate the people of Ireland from
their clergy. It should be recollected that the late insurrec-
tion had been most violent in districts where the bishops re-
strained their clergy irom interfering in the temporal con-
cerns of the people; while, on the contrary, the districts
ruled by what were called "political bishops" were_ uni-
formly peaceable. The bill would cause nothing but strife
and bitterness between the clergy and people, and therefore
he should give it every opposition in his power.
Lord DRUMLANItIG supported the bill as calculated to
de openly that which we had long been doing covertly and
in an irregular manner. He looked upon this measure as •
great triumph of the two most doughty champions of this
country—common justice and common sense.
Sir C. BURRELL asked whether an inquiry would be in-
stituted into the conduct of the priest whose name had been
mentioned by his noble friend the member for North Essex;?
He h.d clearly committed an indictable offence.
Lord J. RUSSELL had no doubt but that if evidence could
be obtained that • proclamation had been torn down pro-
ceedings would be taken, but these matters were always left
to the discretion of the Lord Lieutenant.
Sir J. TYRELL offered to produce proof at the bar of
everything he had stated.
Sir It. INGLIS moved that the debate be adjourned until
Wednesday next.
Lord J. RUSSELL, as an amendment, to adjourn to
six o'clock.
The house divided—Fnr the motion 2B
For the amendment 73-46
In answer to a question from Sir J. TTEELL.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that if the hon. baronet would
furnish a list of witnesses by which the circumstance he had
mentioned could be proved the matter would be submitted
to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that the parish priest of
Kenmare was Mr. O'Sullivan, not Mr. Hampton, the arms
mentioned by the hon. baronet.
The debate was then adjourned to six o'clock.
SUPPLY.
The report on the committee of supply was brought up,
and agreed to.—Tbe house then adjourned to 6 o'clock.
The SPEAKER resumed the chair at 6 o'clock.
CHELTENHAM ELECTION.
Sir W. CLAY reported from the Cheltenham election
committee that the Hon. C. F. Berkeley had not been duly
elected • member for Cheltenham at the late election, and
that the said election was a void election, and that the said
Hon. C. F. Berkeley had been guilty by his &genteel treating
at the election of 1847.
POOR REMOVAL BILL.
Mr. CLEMENTS withdrew this bill for the present
session.

VAN DIMIEN'S LAND.
Mr. ANSTEY withdrew his notice of motion Tequilas
Van Diemen's Land till next session.
DERBY ELECTION.
On the motion of Mr. NEW DEGATE, it was ordered
that Mr. Spralor should imue his warrant to the Clerk of
the Crown to make out a new writ for the electing of two
burgesses to serve in this present parliament for the borough
of Derby, in the room of the Right Hon. E. Strutt and the
Hon. E. F. L. Gower, whose election had been determined
to be void.

MAURITIUS.
Mr. HAWES, in answer to Lord G. Bawllimn, said that
the expenditure of the Isle of Mauritius in the year 1846 was
27,8701., and in the year 1847. 289,193/. ; that the disburse-
ment made for emigration in 1846 was 46,4981., and in 1847,
60,2071. ; that the reduction of taxation effected in 1847, to
the extent of 60,0001., wax en absolute reduction and not a
mere commutation of taxes ; that the balance in the island
treasury on the Ist Jan., 1847, was 139,4911 that the
funds now in the hands of Mr. Baillie, the colonial agent in
London, amounted to 1,6711. cash, and 42,0001. Exchequer
Bills; that repeat. cl instructions had been sent out to the
Governor of Mauritius for the further reduction of expendi-
ture ; that Mr. Macaulay was the only gentleman receiving
• salary connected with the government bank of Mauritius,
his salary being 1,0001. a year, and that the bank was not
yet in operation ; and, finally, that the late auditor-general
of accounts at Mauritius had been allowed to retire
on his full salary, after arduous service, ever since 1815, his
successor being Mr. Her, who, he believed, was, es the
noble lord suggested, brother in-law to Sir Was. Gomm.
Mr. liar's salary wasBool.
FINANCIAL STATEMENT.
Lord J. RUSSELL gave notice that to-morrow (this day
his right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer would
at 6 o clock make his annual statement of the income and
expenditure of the country. lie added that it would be
convenient if, at a subsequent period of the evening, fhe
hems., would allow the government to take a resolution
respecting the loan of 500,0001. to the West Indies, reserving
the statement on the subject until the second reading of the
bill for the pumas.
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ROME BILL.
The order of the day for the house to go into committee on
this bill being read,
Mr. MOORE said that the hon. baronet the member for
Essex had grossly libelled the Irish Roman catholic priest
hood, but the hon. member for Limerick had still more
grossly mal*ned them. That body bad ever been the
strenuous advocates of order in Ireland, and it was very
unjust to speak of them in other terms than those of re-
Ha hoped the house would not consent to protract
retscussion on the present bill, but would affirm the de-
cision already come to with respect to it.
Sir J. TYRELL explained that he had only stated facts
respecting the Roman catholic priests which had come to
his knowledge, and which he was ready to prove at the bar.
Mr. MOORE rejoined that the language used by the hon.
baronet was that the " vagabond priests ought to be exter-
minated," and if that was not libellous language he did not
know what words would be so considered.
Mr. URQUHART opposed the bill, and maintained that
the noble lord (J. Russell) bad given the house to under-
stand that the bill would not be proceeded with during the
present session, mid upon that understanding numbers of
members bad left London.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the hon. member for War-
wickahhe had already denied having imputed to him the