The Express.
London, England, 1865-03-18 00:00:00

THE UNION CHARGEABILITY BILL

In answer to 3ir N.
i RIDLZY,
Mr. VILLIERS stated than f say considerable progreos
were made with the army estimates that night, he would
ammo the second raiding el this bill os Monday next.

POLAND._

Mr. HENNESSY moved to resolve, "That whereas the
Russian government shows its determination to set at
sought the engagements it contracted in 1815 respecting
Poland, and whereas the respect of those antagonisms; wee
the condition on which the powers of Europe consented to
!utopias as lawful the peessesiou of the Romisus Tear of
the greatest pert of ancient Poland, this house cannot any
looser abstain from proclaiming that the violation of those
esitagements implies the forfeiture by the Tear of all right
to such dominion, and also of all right to any further pay-
meet by this country of the annual sum souceded to
Ramie under the ease of Russo-Dutch Loas.that payment
lasing been is 1815 undertakes to be paid durieg the
space of 100 years, in coasideration of Bosnia faithfully
so-operatiss in the imintesanoe of the stipulator of the t
same treaty of 1815.*
The motors was sesseded by Sir H. VERNEY, who ob.
served that until the independence of Poland was room-
plished them was so seventy for the pesos end traequillaty
dl contest Europe.
Mr. CAVE regretted the ietroduction of the motion,
whilst sharing in the sympathy which was universally felt
for the moose of Poland, sad believing from what he him-
self had witnessed that the rule of Ramie is that country
was extremely severe. The state of things which pre.
veiled, however, was after all so more than that which be
feared followed most skill were He did sot believe that
any further interference by the House of Osmoses' would
he productive of any mon advantage thee the previous
efforts aiready made.
Lord PALMERSTON, in opposites the modes, compli.
mented Mr. Heenessy upon the zeal lied energy which be
had exhibited in the cause of Poland, although he could
set give him credit for diuretics on the mama occasion.
There were only two ways by which England could serve
Poland, viz., either by going to war far her, or by ming
dipleastio action is her be It wee admitted, eves by
Mr. Heariony himself, that war was sot desirable; and as
for diplomacy, it had been triad sod had failed. The house
vas now, however, eased far sdeolsratioe of foilpi
sad to withheld Fermat stipulated by treaty to be •
to Ravi. That mutate wee sot, however, by
the treaty of View, bat by a former treaty, sad bad so
referessee whatever to Poised. To withhold, therefore, the
peymest read be to commit a breeze of faith, end to do
so sailipsified eat, which be was ponsalled the parliament
of Isilsed would sot sanction.
Mr. DENMAN did pet aims deprimaties disoussioe
es this es** as there meld be se dish* that Bemis in
box fmadmoo* of Polled had mnadahorariky 'withal' the

treaty of inseMe. Us weld ket, however, remenmend Mr.
Heammey to divide the Mese se the moot oomeloo.
lb. BUTLIII,JOHNSTONB ezpresed his sympathy with
Poised, bat was set prepared to support the risotto°, be-
I OW•111 he °welder& thaibilleemedy enggested would be as
fruitless ea it was a&
Mr. A GRIFFITH also append the dodos, which was
eventually withdraws.
THE FOREIGN-cFnon AND THE BOARD OF
TRADE.
Mr. W. FORSTER asked what dew if any, rovers-
meat had takes, or intended to law to cony oat the re-
seatoseddiese et the committee swam& last semicia to
'NOM fete the smarmed Whom the Foreign-OMo lad
the Board of Trade is referees. to the trade with forego
easier. He erg& that there aught to to au scraweittdoll
bowies the two departnotits, so that oar ministers at
home and their repressotatives abroad should be able to
eau.wiry oppariesrty of iodises'( interoatiosal trade,
by pomemieg-
tlemmlroe of fall knowledge of the principles
of patted oecoomy, and &Wag thinned's' in communi-
CdOo with wordtants and seasideaktren engaged in the
trade of foreigs oosobries.
The question elicited • diecoanioa of
some length, in the
course of which Me. Efordell expeowed his approval of the
mambo is whisk the Foreign-Oboe, without the iotfereace
of the Board of Trade, had discharged its funotioas io con-
giallo° with commercial affairs ; Mr. Lowe coodemned the
revival of a disposition to wade& commercial treaties, and
called on the President of the Board of Trade to state what
advantage he conceived the public derived trod the govern-
meat meddling In say way is waders of commerce ; and
Mr. White, who would be sailed& with nothing short of the
abolition of the Board of Trade.
LAYARD,Iis repreenatiag the Foreign -office, said
that the eppointaist of the emernittee of lest yew was
toned& se • raimppreheesion, and that the widow* taken
by them oompletely destroyed the ewe of the chambers of
commerce and other parties who promweed the isquiry, and
complete' refuted the unpute directed mains' the
F It had bees the predicis of that department
to bring up its attachfe is • kuowledge of the principles of
commerce ; the woreteries of legate* sad of embamies
abroad were directed to furnish reports annually of the
tee& of the countries with which they woe respectively
consented, awl • move valuable colleatimi of decumbent'
than these could wit he toed Yet strange to tell. the
ohambees of commerce were utterly iworant of their very
exismon. With regard to the reetioesoadations of the
committee, the Foreign-Mike had constituted a new depart-
ment, under the datomiestios of the commercial divides,
°mooting of a chief deck sad other *Moen, whose duty it
would be to carry ea all oorionpoodepos in commercial
matters with British ministers end agate &road, the Board
of Trod% sonamenial aseaciatiew and private perm= both
at home sad abroad. This department would be &der the
immediate and exclusive supervision of the parliameethry
trader Semetary far Foreign Affairs.
Sir Et NORTHCOTE mod he thought the gaieties before
the house should be viewed I. two sepects—ant, is an
admieistrative pout of view, and as it affected our oommar-
dal policy in senor& sad on this point be could
adores eveytllsg that had fellea from the right
ben. member ter Wee (Mr. Lowe). The question was
whether am misethaels and cootresetiel public Weft to look
to the goverwat for mapped or to theenolves, and
&Wier thin ceentry was to carry as the principles of eon-
menial policy which had bow established in this country
I vow ter maw years t He most my that he bed ewer
Mond • batter Mislead= on the importance of leaving the
aisraloste to do this work themselves than the' which was
ferdthed by the speech of the Ceder Secretory. He
theaght there would bee great teedeney,if the Feesige-oMee
were divided into two &midmost', to leases, the work.
After the discord& which had takes place be felt sure that
the views of the boo. member were pads( wooed, sad
that they weed some day see the Board of To& redwood to
the peddle it ought to weepy. Wiese In was oonseated
with it, the hood ww escaped sweat deal in cowaltahow
as the nevigatioe and meteor laws, and in the mesagemest
of reciprocity treaties. Bat all that had passed away. The
departmeat had booms • swat executive ow, and he
thought thatit needed • complete reprpaimatios to make it
as useful as it might be. (Haar, beer.)
Mr. GOSCHEN said hi own opinion was that it was desk-
able to have ow departmeet that should do all the work ;
but be preferred leavieg the wisdom to those who bed
adiselly bees is aloe. He thought the boa. member for
Bradford bad domigoodpervios ; and that it the Foreige-Olice
would cost mss to &ow the interest which it had lately
rowdiest& in the prosperity of British watmeree,
the nterchante of this country would woe that • pro-
per attention wee paid to their intends. (Hear, hear.)
Fir IL FARQUHAR thought the hoe.`erember for Brad-
ford deserved the thanks of the house sad the oommuaity
for imaging forward the subject.
Mr. BAINES oostended the climbers of commerce
were the tree friends of free trade. They had had
interview after interview with hi right boo. friend
the President of the Board of Trade, sad through
their mesas the meet impotent practical Moats had been
costarred upon the interns/ and extend commerce of the
country. He therefore thought it was mast unjust to
attack sad cast imputations arm those chambers. la cou-
ched= he mast say that his boa. !deed the somber for
Bradford, is what he had does, bad meted as the organ of
the associated chamber' of commerce, who were extremely
grateful to him for the pains he bad taken is the metier.
Mr. GIBSON remarked that the changes effected by the
goverment were very much those which had been recom-
mended by the committee. The Foreign-013os did not con-
sult the Board of Trade upon mere abstract principles, but
in reference to nob matter, of detail se that department
was peculiarly acquainted with. There was se lit • differ-
's°, in the relating between the Foreign-MSc* and the
Board of Tiede as in those between the Homo-aloe, the
Admiralty, and other breeches of the government. He
contended that ell commuoications with embameadon and
wank abroad should be conducted by the Foreign-office,
and there could he no nameable objection to the Fordo
Minister coaxal * the Board of Trade or say other de-
partment from which he could derive the knowledge he
required.
Mr. FITZGERALD believed that so far as the just
complaints of the mercantile body wen concerned, the
measures takes by the Foreign-mates wen • mere sham.
The complaint was that • greet deal of delay and Woo-
Tentacles arose from the commuoications between the
Foreign-Milos and the Board of Trade, and lathing bad
been dose to remedy it, but the evil still motioned. The
roll practical moieties of the matter was to strsagthen the
Board of Trade, aid establish • communicatioe bet ease it
and the commercial world. That department should ocen-
muskets dl eddy with our wents abroad on questions of
trade, sad when owe • eagolotiou was initiated he would
leave them to carry out the details. And he saw no reason
why any] corgi of jurisdiction should arise.
Mr. CREETHAM agreed with the bee. patlemen the
member for Horsham, that the Board of Trade ought to be
entrusted with the waded of all matters referring to our
commercial radios. with foreign countries, and that snob
ditty ought ad to be laid upon the alreedfoverburdwed
Foreign-of/We. He saw so objection to direct communica-
tions wobble before the President of the Board of Trade
and our consuls abroad. On the ooatrery, he thought that
each a course would show them that their chief was not a
political minister, and would have the elect of directing
their attensioe to the interests of our trade and commerce
rather than to polities. (Hear.)
Mr. BAZLEY thought that the Board of Trade should be
rendered capable of older cognisance of the comatereial
intercom of the whole empire, and made the organ of the
industry of the country. It would thee be not what it is,
but whet it pretends to be.
The subject then dropped.
METROPOLITAN POLICE RATE.

Mr. COEms; se Ball the Nteatioa;ititebU;s;to the large
increase in the amount now paid by the metropolis for police
rate, and to ask the Secretary of Star for the Home
Department to what purpose such Mimed payment
wee applied. The total increase in the earn paid by the
inbabiteate of the metropolis for police rate alone
amounted to 24,7251., iut compared with the sum paid
in 1863.
Mr. AYRTON hoped the Home Seciretuy would turn
his Marrs to the subject, and give as a/OMM to
the corporation or Loader' that the thoreuebfere should be
kept clear when they went abroad like strolling players, and
then no doubt they would consent to some moditioatiou of
their system of management.
Mr. Alderman ROSE believed that there wee sortie'
better than a little oompetitiou, and if the jurisclictioa of
the corporation were taken away it would be a great cala-
mity. The two forces acted together in perfect barmosy
and risen and property in the City which was very valu-
able was left for many boars under the care of the polies.
He believed the country would nut submit to have a
Meister of price who would have the control of eight or
teeteand me, end be responsible to no sea but to the
government of the day. It would be both unwise and
rapers to alter the present system of management in
the City of Leaden.
Mr. WHALLEY said he merely wished to call the area-
Eon of the house to the present administration of the metro-
erten polio., sad to Mr that before the force was ex-
tended to the City it ought to be better managed, for rimy
of the magistrates had said that they were usable to protect
the public against the police. He hoped some satisfactory
explanatioa would be gives by the right hoe. pothers
the Home Secretary, that the abuses which bad crept into
the management of the metropolitan police should be cm.
reetecL
I Sir G. GREY said be would sot eater then into the quas-
i Sloe of the amalgamation of the City polio* with the Stero-
-1 politan police, but he must complain of being called upon
by the hon. member for Peterborough (Mr. Whalley) to
defend the polies magistrates.
Mr. WHALLEY bad only reputed what the magistrates
said.
Sir G. GREY raid only judge from the report, but be
should say that for or me in which the magistrates trod
fault with the polies there were ten in which they spoke of
the admirable manlier in which they performed their duty.
i The police rate was Bd. is the pound, 6d. being paid by the
parishes, sod 2d. is the way that it was paid throughout
the °curry. The rarer, in the rate arose from two
causes—the peat increase ia the number of homes and
the sew amesemeat whir came into operation in April,
• 1864. There itad also bra as Moms reosetly in the
pay of three climes of the police force, amounting More
l these to 19,7001.. which, be hoped, would be a mines or be-
drier geed men to enter the service. The sum of
8,5001. per arum was impeded as the irreard
police foror, sad a further amount was applied is
the Improvisor of the pears stations, great completer
having been made el their reaMeisecy. AS mprded Gir-
-1 lying dishier, he would observe that they odd est be

brought nods th• jarbdiotiort of tb• Natropaitaa gaga
aatkoritia at Nn rrUl of tin amarafartooer, bat nab •
step required Vicariates of parliameat.
SUPPLY.
The house then want into caltrattee of supply pro forma.
UNION OFFICERS (11L3LhrD) SUPERANNUATION

The above bill ma read • snood flaw
BANK NOTES lOUS BILL

The bates w;siliTtorieisalltes os this bill.
The OH S.NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he pro-
posed to introduce four altarstlese into Ws till ; acs with
regard to ths reduatios of the parcontags from 45 to 25 ;
amebae relatiog to the rednetios of it. number of yeses
from 25 years to 10 ; a third with respect to Cm bankruptcy
of hanks order thin act ; and a fourth providing that the
priviloges permitted to banks bumf the limits of 45 lam
ahoold Dot give thew any point of Was within the 43
r00t...
The bill posted through comnittes.

CONBOLIDAT/D FUND (176,6501.) BILL.
TWA bill Famed thloogb onizolliso.
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