The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-09 00:00:00

THE. EXPRESS, FIOPAY'RVENING. MARCH. 9, 1840.

sewed eralfflea Jima Oo pimehle. will*" swami on
aides Way irloneelle to the spas et eeperate
seigansiffig. Hemo, he observed, Win reformatory
elmseter el the system suet depend in a great
mem% an the character of the 10%4 and indigious inixrue-
by,Wltich it was moussairod. Staterooms had been put
Wards' Metedt end in seen of the public %pen, %pre-
, meting that the prisms who wen subjected to separate
conlainient were placed in comfortable end well-ventilated
egisokse they were salted, sad that them prisons were
altogether very atmetive=.
_e. Hear " and laughter.)
All thie he utterly db The reprarted applications
whisk be roosived from primate for the scramestation of the
season they were undergoing convinced his that the
holatioa, which was an morale part of the senteme,
dared it moot hams sad most painful—so basins and se
Clagthat it was edam thought necessary.% imam it
lamer they LI mantra. (Hear, hear.) Some hear pr
Memo thewast that say attempt at reforodag triads& was
mot hordes. Certainly, the experience they had had Of the
conduct of taro parties who had game out to the edema
from those ahem when the espres system was softwood
lad to the bald that • great moral dance had rim'
over a large amain of them. This was essilresed by aso
cent rapes of the Pectonville samminioners. At pram&
indopoodist of the NO espies sells in Millipeak, whisk
might he made avafla fore pessorn for shoe ems for •
kw =Who, there was am asammodatioa for and, 1,9*
includrap Porteaville, and awing of the prises at Wes
add. end NU. ;Mika siessinedation in the prisms Is other
comae and heeanam„ whisk. rabbet to the visits et the is
sermon of poleine.hsi hem platted at the disposal of the
gramme fat themtmee alesaniag out this sAM
it ta daseliell at thispia at la sentence was capableystem et
aledement, so ho ihmal Mated be, a smeller somber et
idle Mai rear the pops Thar mond parties of the
rpiwas Oa d p mel labour upon paha works.
plestiesi4 wee Mt primed to exprem • deeded
e *Wars this mead should be pasted ha dais
=is the missies' this were arrameats ammi-
or
weight an hetlsidea. Mr. Latrobe, late maw of
Vaa Diana's Lug, taught there would be imemio 11114
vantage in laving dais stage passed, not la a colony at a pee
dames from this massy. es Van Diamesa land, be
either at bens, aria see of those Monies whisk Rica as
wadoreee dames, sad snares inmedsate smentembrals
of often is direct commniestion with the priesnarme. lam
diode se Berm& and Gibraltar, whisk, with the
moat dasmatsirMm. were sow imaght witidaistrra
resemble distance, sad when the regalatime of thi redo-
.amellooidd hi strictly softwood by elesatedieses who were
willingM oadmaira the daty—person of a stamp and tha-
maw Shout from *ma be found in Arabella. The
pisio when the pone labour was now carried on was de
hake is the first inatime. He did not widely differ fres
Oho noble lied are to the defideneiss of the balks; be regardid
them only as a temporary expedient gradually to give way to
IS* lealeilohnlenta, tree, he hoped, from those oil% .01s.
The ear istablishment was that of Portland ; the 'armor.
ginsie et prisons, CoL Jebb, who had thread gist
selsOlisa "to the subject. thought it would be free
▪ the peat objections applying to the halts;
there were arrangements 'for every man having
a separate sleeping apartment, though they would work to
nether during the day; and there were means for elm-
Wag theft to industry and goad conduct. Wittiest via-
taring to express any sanguine hope, he might say these
wore saws pounds for hope with regard to the results et
Portiond than with regard to any other similar establish-
ment. (Hear, hear.) At Hernando the srungemerits were
it the seas charester as at Portland ; prisons were in course
et areas& at both islands, to supersede the hulks. Bet.'
muds sod Gibraltar were the two places when this put of
the --ace would be carried out. At Gibraltar there we.
net the same same of lodging the prisoners on shore, bet
the amber was coeisiderably less. A most efficient offer
wee at the head of the prisons then; and an excellent
elasplaia bad the ears of their moral and religions biers-
Om. He was not aware that any arrangement could be
orespesbd at present with regard to Bermuda and Gibed-
tar, whisk would teed materially to improve the
system. Nothing could be more striking than the contrast
between the wadies and character of the prisoners at thole
ass and the system which prevailed when this portion of
the maw was carried out in Van Diemsn's Lend, apart,
from that speriatendencre which was essential to the ell-
tzeit the system and where the worst characters were
Imatar without any means of separation or super-
inlemisme. The noble lord had made an inquiry as to the
probable duration of this part of the meatuses. Forme*,
them gems= who soduated themselves well were entitled
to tidies of leave on the expiration of half the period of
their etatearo. Thu sum rile 'had bran adopted at Ha-
mada and subjet to this ilea, that
lima whim aildstt was good would bo reheard after
beratanraderyed ter • tern of years in this snood strap. He
Tian? Thsesenzertrat; tifathseavdaliitte
wouldo f e tea; of thrum
Mena this adds country. In that view he was mistaken.
Is Berm& sal Gibraltar they were employed on national
works; the has cri an able-bodied convict was worth about
301. a yew ; bat as the cost of his maintenance
did not
erase 704., there was a dear balsam left of IW.
Great imeasabses had when from the circumstance of
the omiesoadiergeing done two stages of punishment being
Pamir wads Mime superintendents of penal establish-
ments. Ammgemenie were now made for placing them
miss me awe eistroUing authority, by which the ex-
pense wane be diminished, sod the sweet siaraWled. He
now cama In the tied rouge et mahatma, that relating to
maditisnal peals and Wools Of have. The noble lord
laid peg dna an the eirometame of the sentemo of
tramparellea net beg curial oat by the setae removal
from this aorantry. The syMi that was mow
would Nary out the street more effectual=
the former ow Tam was $ misappreksa la
the minds of ems' perms on the subject of tickets of
leave. It was orappeeral that they were the same as condi-
tion& waits, bat dry wee ementiolly different. A person
whe reads& a conditiemel midis was a free in with the
=TSat he mai ad roars daring the piriod he
o was transpires& If cm agony offered a heeler
field he Nihau:them another, he could go Mom endear
no eirconillealla add he be use back to undergo his pre-
vious seatimie, lades he anagiftted and was convicact or
a new Mao Bet nada a ticket of leave the man maimed
a convict ; he could not leave me colony to go to aantar ;
he wit Woad to remain within the limited district
hies, and be prepared to show himself
Tiraniagistra to
tel at any period. The great object
Inobject
isOmis tablbhing this system was to enable
the convicts to support thleselves by their honest industry,
and by hiring themeelves as servants in the colonies. But it
was necessary to guard against the evil incident to the con-
viste being congregated in large masses in differeat districts,
and for this paepose it wit desirable to provide • means of
disradoe. he ROOM of the system depended ,bided, on
the facilities for diversion. He had alluded to the measures
Men by Lord Grey, is order to lads.. some of the ooksies
to meat to the introduction of convicts in this stage, it being
absolutely nocessary, in order that the system should net
break down, that too great an Inflow of convicts at this
stage amid not take plus into any of the colonies. bi-
gmouths had been received from Sir W. Deem, that
Vaa Diemen's Lod afforded ample means of arias °onsi-
de& to Oinvisle of this clam on their arrival. Be states in
as iiespatila that a reduction of expenditure would result
from the charge of system. Whilst speaking on this subject
he would advert to what the noble lord said with regard to
Norfolk Island. The, noble lord and some sum Mks
tares am his see friend in reference to Norfolk hind if
he bad read the papers relating to that matter, he mold Sad
that Lord Grey had recommended some steps to be taken Is,
relating at once the lumber of convicts in Norfolk bad.
Bat he said that it was necessary to leave mask to the
discretion of Sir W. Denies. He (Sir W. Deem)
eseurred in the view of his noble friend. Under throe eh,
CIIIIIKAIKSI, the number of convicts was reduced from 1,900
to 600. Lord Grey conesated to the reduction, but ha was
of *Soo that Norfolk Island should hi maintained m •
comfit 'statement for those who were guilty of a mead
001109 is the Manias. (Hear, hoer.) With regard to
female asoviets, it was thought better that they shield se
be awed la the probationary establishment in the a,
bat that they shoed be put to service in the camp
after their arrival He admitted that some iseassmiona
aro* has the diadnithed number of convicts that had been
seat aboard br the last two pan. They would now,howerair, ho
able to and • larger rasa: out, bmise they would sees
have logreased roams of subjecting the convicts to the per
dons stages. la Portlaad dun were new 362Lefoinajit
and it weed la • few weeks be ambler of
sere. Teo swabs, of calls meld Ms he hilie;d7
was sot rarin that say wick bad loess ihr say heal et
Tarim enserareme of the alibied*. of mama
It Seeable to ousiori 11100 Val ot
=glitts swat plok te Mama .1a eeneepseneelmitit
week tamale& there of late, theta ho o very man
extant is • sheet time, hewer, their arsiogimas maid
be eo far sonsisto as to enable them to relies Sae
Oa fess the ammo which existed 1111/011 this at re.
smsg, mom Ina welprdwh to the Irleit gash imam*
the ernes was Oarreat. He believed in the stioament made
by as his. somber he Bern, respecting thine psie. Bat
proms ea tam pole did hot its. trees the suspension
of transpedatioa, co any dirniaution is the number of per
▪ arum hens Ireland. As the home might readily sup-
pose, to meat Maw la the gaols is Ireland arose from the
Umber of movietime oceadised by crime crig sating is
the Sams seampasat ea the Miura ef the food
od of
p The Meeks et the Lord Liseusat bad been di-
rected to the select, sad hi had been to corn-
ridered* mhim that .abject; but, after all
seas of affording relief was not in the
heads or the goverment. The number of prisoners
radar Inaspettatioa is Ireland rose from 600, in 1846, to
surly 2,000 la 1647 and 1848. The government was pro
parrag a depot at Spike bland. Then were at priest 200
loodee. them and in • few days it would be capable of re-
wiring 800 more. It would be made available for 660.
Liam at est et kat auseims, which ambled them to mead
mid* to Bemanda and Gibraltar, the Irish eludes sent
ahead lefts lam year amounted to 859, which was be-
times U. and 400 more than had been sent abroad
during any as. ot the flu years pressdiag 1846.
With Nand to sorer of the bilk amicts were
seat to Baratide, Coplera Elliot says that Itliory were
mit to he paled with in other convicts, that mangy of them
wore only M years all, this they to be
and he entreated that so mace of appearede might ho soot
abroad, as the sly elle of it mild be that they maid be
contaishisted by the sear meets. (Hsu, hear.) He did
not attribute any blame to Se courts in helm& but aa
asolatiiii amen ad takes piss there of late in the aso
bar if sod thin an aeldielemal
was pltrilLiertreasraTne momasent. Shirt of
prima asommilatios in the different omega ot Ins ad.
which it was the daty of the paid J• 610 S.
provide, es poreminint were willing to give every OM ___,_,".
sass in their paw te Mies the promo ea Ike Irish pals.
Bat if senteneel d lempertatiou proemial at the rate at
which they did new is Ireland, he was afraid it would be
impossible to led *Mies capable of receiving this large