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overornenno use their bed efforts for the meigre..2ce of
aw and order. (Hear, hear.)
Lord MONTRAGLE thought the manner
trentraent had carried ogt the entraordinarypowens entrusted I
to them for potting dowis the distudemees in IrMandentitled I
iferm- be therfall-cosietterree of parliament, dada they third' •
it necessary to come forward and demand additional powers.
(Had.) The arms act, as it stood, was i lneffectua for its
object, for it was ouly neoematy tor a person to so from one
county to soother to evade the law altogether. Governreent '
had, however, now military possession of Ireland, end the
MUM! of effectually disarming the people were in their
hands. nose means, ho Lipid, auv;uy.js We' 1'
Cher with such a strict carrying out of the law as should pre-
vent the introduction of arms into the country. (Hear.)
It was a matter for the consideration of parliament whether
a permanent act for restricting the posseesion hf arms should
not be pa-Bed for Ireland—(hear, hear)—instead of leaving
the subject to he dealt with by a temporary measure brought
in at intervals of three or four years, as occasion for it arose.
On the subject of colonisation he entirely concurred with the
observations of the noble and learned lord. He thought that
the conduct cf the police fully deserved the compliment
which had been passed upon them—but they must not treat
the late outbreak too lightly because of the rug with which
it had been put down—(hear, hear): had it not been
fur the wise measures of the sovernment in support-
ing the police with • strong military force, it was
possible that a different result might have ensued. He
hoped measures would be taken to secure the prime
movers in these insurrectionary
.transactions, for, should
they escape and emigrate to Ameriea—though he knew that
the whole body of the sound population of the United States
were favourable to this conwry, and were anxious for its
internal peace, as was evinced by the rejoicings at New York
at the failure of the attempt of April' last to create disturb-
ances in London—he feared there might be such a move-
ment amongst a small portion of the people of that country,
as might give a hops to the disaffected in Ireland that they
might receive aid from that quarter.
The motion wee then agreed to.
MISAPPLICATION OF RAILWAY FUNDS.
Lord MONTRAOLE moved for accounts, showing the
manner in which the funds raised for the North Wales Rail-
, way had been invested.—A.greed to.
Their lordships adjourned at 7 o'clostk.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
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HOUSE OF LOBBS.—TattifitieT, AUG. 3.
The Lotto Csionosetoa took his seat at 6 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND READLYO.-Luemelgre and Yorkshire hallway fuse*
meat of nets and regulation of caliltso Bill.
THIRD READIIIO4.-Marqula of Loodooderry's Rotate (Noe. 1
sad 2) ; Weld EbandsiPs &tate; Oahu and Dela Road ; Bilis.
PUBLIC 8U11114114.
PETITION.-By Lord STANLEY, hoer Preston, In Ismortire,
spinet the sale of spirituous liquors os the Lerd'eday.ent s Gudrun
SECOND REAULYO6.-Bankrupt Below ; Reg
Colonnade ; Kea,
COMMITTER-Corn Markets (Ireland) Bill.
REPORT OP AMENDUENT.-Declaratory Bolts BBL
STANDING ORDERS.
Lord MONTEAOLE moved in standing order No. 219
to insert the following order before the last section of the
said order:
That after a bill in either of the above mentioned classes shall hey,
been reported from any select committee to the house, the said bill
shall in no case be reammitted to the same or another select commit-
tee before the third day on which the boue shall sit after the yon
which notice shall have been given of the motion to recommit dasuch
bill.
Agreed to.
STATE OF IRELAND.
Lord BROUGHAM rose to move for copies of the several
recent proclamations issued by the Lord Lieutenant of Ire-
land. and although he hoped the insurrection was put down,
at the close of the session he wished to offer a few observe-
-ions on the elate of Ireland. The late outrage on the public
puce, dictated by the wicked feeling of the leaders V the
misguided people, and by vanity on the part of others -this
detestable attempt at insurrection-had no doubt reached its
end for the present, and the vigorous authorities of that
country would prevent its breaking out again for • short
season. If anything could give him more confidence
than another that such would be the case, it was the ap-
pointment of Lord Mucilage al commander of the forces in
that country. He had shown, by undertaking such duties
alter the laurels he had won, that he was not consulting his
personal vanity, glory, er ambition, for he might have been
well content to have enjoyed the repose which he was about
to take when he entered on this second command. He bed,
however, followed the example of the noble duke near him
(the Duke of Wellington) in never looking to the right or
lortt when he had • duty to perform for his country. (Hear,
hear.) As had been said of • great man in • former us,
" Pluriaium audacis ad capeeseada pericula ; plurimum in HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TuukoDAT, AVG. 3.
fp.fe periculls oonetantim et consilii." No doubt he would -The Sr salsa took the chair at 1 o'clock.
add his councils and assistance to that of his noble friend at PRIVATE BUSINESS.
dee head of the government in Ireland. But ho wished to REPORT CONSIDERED.-Wakiall Improvemeet Bill.
'wars the government against being lulled into a state of se PUBLIC RUMNESS.
'why for the future. The disorder which existed, and which SECOND READING.-Curehes Bill.l l
bad been so well organised, could not at once be entirely put CO
down, but the country would require a continued careful Biltna.Mllll%.ll-81/wayl'ltte.; I..snamewutt.rlil 6akes Cwmiklati°° '
and firm administration. One could not erase the events of PETITIONS-By Mr. ANSTEY, from Mr. Crother, °Mork, agent
Leta years from the memory ; and he believed. the account to proprietor' of Inland salmon Spherics in Irelud, praying for, an
was not yet finally settled. lie would say nothing of the min- alteration of 6 and 6 Vicy-Lord 0. BENTINCE, from New Brunorticke
government of Ireland-of the religious dissension or the against the repeal of
homethe nunrsortion !mese -lostr. P tUltii,ofror: aio
peculiar circumstances of the landowners and tenants, but juvenileotht tfiZar air! ia,,,,,,,i: frosla., a amisTrai dtcaaan
he might lay, regarding the evils of Ireland, lie had read _en ot Mr. Guy, the founder of Guy's Hospital, coal.
with great satisfaction the report of a committee-the colon(- plaining, as we understood, that whereas the revenues of the Maui-
setion committee-and noble lords could not do barer than tat amounted to more than 120,0001. per annum, the expenditure
study the evidence given on that committee, Si well as the upon
athe hit? ?id not exceed.33,0601r..,. runt!, praVgofforrrooln=
report, during the recess. We had colonies of immense ex- 511° Pen n
tent in Australia and in No Kb America, and, with refer. e •-Mr. B. Cali°. 104,4,,r'f'1' llyi cofolonisr of South Austral* pre.
toe for a campreheninve system of emigration to that colony. J.
race to the latter colony, the late Lord Durham stated it to
GRAHAM, from two places In Scotland, for a change in the law of
be even more fertile than the adjoining North American marriage In Scotland.
states. To take advantage of this state of things, there was NOTICES OF MOTION.-Prarie ItelLellai, ne-Mr. HUDSON,
• most scanty population in our colonies. Nearly • unlike: us-morrow (thio day) to move for returna.4 all tle Pagalht hnliginee
sheep in Australia had been obliged to be put to do nth for etabhouses, and crooner...hued by the Woods YE Ilat ar. me
want of shepherds to take cars of them. Ile could not give amount of rent In the original lure, and or did
Piano Law Cnoougoßru..-Sir W. JOLLIFFE, on next Aar adds
swore striking glutei', ion of his position than the statement bill, to move amendments in relation to the asamtenance of the tree-
ed this fact. The influx of labour would bo attended by an movable poor.
talus of capital also, and a wide field would thus be RETURNs ORDERED-On motion of Mr. B. OSBORNE. return
afforded for the surplus:population of the mother country. of the number of prink:nem. emb:died
osndepr tlinuts_w_igilretrothem
(Hear, hear.) There were, however, some difficulties .rron °Btwitiltirrt ryll:ed I::r.e4-4, 1:11117...= p%gaLinir private
attending colonisation : it so happened that the very received on board her Majesty's ships or Tuft* pursuant to the pee.
sort of people which the colony most needed the mother Ma/nation or July 12, UM, with the amount of night paid or to be
country least wanted to spare. They did not want to send outthe paid to Greenwich Mondial, the several admirals and 00111t00=
idle, the criminal, and the had, and others could be ill wet to tbe captains or °Mores who have given receipts or
spared. Nevertheless, a well organised system of colonise bills of lading for such treasure.
lion would, in his opinion, be the best tOlig that could be FARMERS' ESTATE SOCIETY (IRELAND) BILL.
done for Ireland. Another evil in Ireland to which he would The report on this bill having been brcught up and re-
allude was, that rebellion bad been allowed to go on toe lonz, ceived,
on the greud of no; intertericg with the tight of discussion. Mr. STAFFORD moved the insertion of a clause, aer
Jaen were
Hallowed to addrese constant meetings, which clause 33, enacting that the release of a portion of lanftds
amembhd week after week, as if they were • parliament shall not affect the validity of a judgment as regards the re-
sitting in Dublin i r Cork, or Limerick ; end they had been sidue of such lands.
allowed to go on so long as to lead to a tendeticy.to commit a The clause was then read a first and second time, end
breach of the peace. He remembered that in 1796, wh-n • added to the bill.
subscription was setou foot to protect the country against a Col. DUNNE moved the following clause:
French invasion, the late Earl Grey and Mr. Fox fit flounced That any per.= or persona who dull have been evicted from lands
the levying of money without the consent of parliament, al- rchaned by the compsay, either within the !um of twelve months
preview to the purchase of ouch lands by osid company. or Wu
though the obj, et then was to support the government ; but ,,,,,„, shaleth period In
wa" .aia, lams shall a. vested in aaai
in Ireland sums of money had been regularly subscribed, with 'eumpan'y, also become chargeable as paupers to the relief of
theyiew of tuba. ring the constituted authorities ofths country use poor, tben and in that mee • rate, uparate and distinct from the
By degrees they got to such a length that the constitutional ordinary rate levied on the union or electoral division wherein ouch
parliament and these unconstituuonal meetings of the agi lands are tribute. shall he !neje and leen: by the guardians of said
tetras were sitting at the game time, until at last the collision :Zeit onotoe oaid Iragarrso.pablob
or
rols,yt to? cirri,: p‘arnokhooorfor the. suoopruherty
naturally arrived, and they had seen the mutt. f
-lie". shall direct of the said evicted persons and their families; and said
hear.) The agitators had been undoubtedly allowed to go rate to be made and levied as other rotes for the relief of the poor, In
on too far, to the people bad openly discussed the nee may addition to the ordinary rare on such land., for the space of Ave
of rebellion, and the right of the police to put them down. years from the date of sale ofd' lands by the company.
lie had never read with more astonishment any duo- Mr. FRENCH opposee clause as defeating the object
meat than the letter of Mr. Lsbouchere, tellirg the people of the Ili I.
of Ireland that they had • right to carry arms. No doubt Mr. MONSELL (who has care of the bill) suggested that,
they bad for a legitimate purpose ; but who would preach instead of the clause now moved, there should be inserted the
suck a doctrine in Ireland unlees he were a madman i This compensation clause in the Irish Railway Act.
rebellion might he put down for the moment, and its chief Me. BERNAL observed that the object his hon. and gal-
might for aught he know be puniaked fur horsestestiog, but lent friend had in view was most praiseworthy, but as the
he believed the people would continue to hays recourse to form of the clause was most objectionable, he asked him to
secret meetings and the system of einhs. He therefore ad• withdraw it, and have it re-constructed In a less questionable
vised the noble marquis opposite well to consider the gems- form.
city of speedily taking steps to prevent this system of clubs. Mr. Citeneroxg, Sir G. GRIT. and Mr. M'CoLtson ex-
When he saw fifteen proclamations in so shorts period, he pressed their concur rrnce in the suggestion of the hon. mem-
must say it was time to consider how much the ber for Limerick; sad anti' • conversation Col, DUNNE
clubs were contributing to this state of things. No one oa widrew the clause, as its form was so object objected to ;
this side of the water would object to any further measures butsnless another clause having a simila were intro.
which might be necessary for the support of the government (hued be should certainly feel it his duty to divide the house
in Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He threw out a hint the other against the hill itself.
day as to the disadvantage of a long prorogation. lie knew Mr. P. SCROPE moved in clause 14 to substitute " ten"
the good effect produced by parliament sitting ; and he for " thirty acres" as the minimum size of lots to be sold by
hoped, therefore, the government would consider the nu- the company. The evidi nee taken before the Devon com-
portance of proroguing for only a short time. Lord Sid- mission showed that in Ireland there were 48,000 farms un-
mouth always made it a rule to have very short prorogation, der 30 acres each, while there were 640,000 farms above 30
in troullous times; and he was sir e that neither house ot acres each, showing • proportion of 14 to las between the
parliament would object to meet again at no distant period small and the large farms. The substitution he proposed
if it were thought to be necessary for the interests of the would enable the better clue of farmers who hail thriven and
state. The noble and learned lord then made some observe had accumulated money in the savings Tank of their neigh-
dons as to the power of their lordships to suspend their bourhood to purchase small holdings, whereas the clause as
standing orders for the purpose of ensuring the speedy pass- it stood would have the effect e f turning out many of the
Nag of any measure for the preservation of order. It would better class of tenants in Ireland from their holdings and
he possible by another arrangement than that which had driving them into this country. It was, therefore, not merely
been adopted hitherto to obtain the royal assent on the same an Irish hut an English question, and as such he recoils-
day on which such a bill might be pant d; and if this bad mended his proposition to the adoption of the house.
been done with reference to the recent Habeas Corpus Stu- CoI.THOMPSON seconded the amendment, and observed
pension (Ireland) Bill, certain persons would not hare es- that this was not only an English but an imperial question ;
taped who had now, for the time, eluded the hands of jus- and he called upon the house, by saving (as the amend
ties. The noble and learned lord concluded by moving fer ment would) the poor tenants of Ireland from eviction, to
copies of the proclamation.. show that the imperial legislature was not blind to their
The Earl of WICKLOW said that the county of Wicklow wants and interests.
had been proclaimed, but he could answer for it that it was Mr. GROGAN opposed the amendment, and intimated
not in consequence of the existence of clubs or disaffection of that the hon. member for Stroud (Mr. P. Scrope) was at-
any kind, the object being to prevent arms from being re- tempting to legislate upon a question which he did not fully
moved there from the adjoining county. It was gratitynig and completely understand.
to think that the insurrection had been put down by the Mr. CLEMENTS also opposed the amendment, and de-
people themselves, and that the cid of the military had not flied that the Irish members desired to encourage the tele.
yet been required. (Ilear.) Lions of the tenantry of Ireland.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would not follow the Mr. A. STAFFORD reeisted the emendment, and sup-
noble and learned lord into any detail; but he would make ported the clause in its original provisions. The object of
some few observations on his motion. The insurrection-if, the bill was to establish an independent yeoman class in Ire-
indeed, it deserved such a name-was pracically at an end. land, and it was not a mere speculation with a vire to the
lie, however, thought there ought not to be an pecuniary advantage of its promoters. It was to all intents
entire cessation of that vigilant attention which • public measure, and as an English member he believed it
that country hod for some time called for. The would operate as a relict to the rats-payer of this country,
atrocious means employs d to foment this insurrection had by decreasing the influx of evicted Isiah poor.
shown themselves powerless for the purpose. which the Mr. T. M'CULLAOII did not believe the house had the
leaden wished to al,
nay but yet they might be pro power to fix the inn of farms in Irelasid, but even if it had
ductive of great evil, nay even of bloodshed-(hear, hear)- the power, he was convinced it would, if exercised, be pro-
and disturb and unsettle the country. Therefore he thought ductive of the moot mischievous effects. He thought it
the noble and learned lord was right in admonishing the go- better to leave that question open, in order to induce the
vernment not to relax in their attention to the rtate of Ire- unrestricted investment of capital in that country. lie wan
land. (Hear, hear) White her Majestys government not now contending for ten-acre farms or against those of
were enabled by an act of on extraordinary chararrer to thirty acres. He would be glad to see both; but the clause.
exercise unusual powers, he might remind the noble and as it stood, would tolerate only the larger. And an to this fac
learned lord that there was also an act for putting down titious minimum fixed by statute, as he was in principle opposed ,
secret societies and oaths in Ireland, which had existed for to it, he must in contingency vote for any modification which
some years, and it might he well to consider whether some rendered the limitation less strnsent. When persons spoke
addition should not be made to that act, in order to meet the of suddenly and universally carving out the surface of Ire
cam of the political clubs which exited in that country. land in large farms, they ought to consider whether the class
(Hear, hear.) There had now been a pause in the °ppm- of agriculturists were to be found in that country possessing
Lion to her Majesty's government in Ireland for the last fort- the requisite capital, first for the purchase of their holdings,
night; and they had proved the utter, the abominable false- and then for the payment of those money wages which, it
hood of the reports which had been circulated in that was said, was indispensable to raise the labourer's condition.
country, that not only were the soldiery affected (Hear.) He should be glad to know in how many counties of
with a disloyal spirit, and were not to be de Ireland such a class existed. There were, indeed, some,
pended on, but that the police were also affected districts is which the large farm system preponderated. But
with a spirit of disloyany. That report had met with • poet were they the most peaceable, orderly, or prosperous ?
decisive contradiction. (Cheers.) There had been instances Tipperary, Limerick, and Clam contained fewer holdings
of remarkable loyalty and devotion which had produced an than any district of equal extent in the kingdom ; yet would
unequivocal result on that body ; both amongst protestants any one hold their condition up as a model of tranquillity or
and esthetics there existed a consciousness of the duty which freedom from pauperism ? (Hear, hear.) No cnange of the
they had to perform, and a determination to perform it. wort contemplated could come at all events safely or bens
(Cheers.) With respict to a short prorogation of midis- tidally, unless it came spontaneously and gradually. (Hear.
meat, he might state that there existed • power of calling hear.) Suppose the legislature had undertaken fifty years I
parliament together at • very brief notice. On the subject of ago to settle the size of the mills in which cotton should be
emigration he entirety agreed with his noble and learned woven or spun, and to ordain that nobody should embark
friend upon its importance, and believed it would be one of in the trade who did not possess at starting a capital of se
the most useful remedies Ifor the evils of Ireland. The many thousand pounds, where would the cotton trade of
noble marquis expressed his readiness to grant the papers England be at this time ? (Cheer.) lie should vote fur the
moved for, and made some observations in conclusion which amen dment of the hnn. member
that the observations of the
for Stroud.
were inaudible in the milieu. Mr. GLADSTONE remarked
The Earl of DESART thought if the government had hon. member (Mr. T. M'Cullagh) were more applicable to
earlier come forward and asked for strong powers to stop the the principle than to the details of the bill. The house had
mouths of the treasonmongers, both of the press and the already acceded to the preamble, which declared that it
clubs, matters would not have ruched the crisis which they would he advantageous' to establish a permanent inde-
had attained in Ireland. He considered, however, that the pendent yeomanry in Inked, and the whole question now
government were fully justified in issuing the number of was whether farms of ten acres would produce that effect. The
proclamations which they had sent forth. lie might ob- committee to which the bill had been refereed ruing
serve that certain magistratee were kept in the cemmimion of upon the evidence adduced before it had held that a limit of
the peace who were well known to be friendly to the Mime ten acres would be inconsistent with the spirit of the pream-
gents, and among them he might menden Dr. Kane, of Ka- ble, and therefore be hoped the clause would be allowed to
kenny, who, whilst lying in prison as a felon, wsa still per- stand as agreed to by the select committee,
mined to remain on the commimion of the peace. After a few words from Mr. P. Scoops in explanation,
The Duke of WELLINGTON did not thick it likely that The committee divided-For the amendment 14
there would be any further outbreak, in consequence of the Against it
good conduct of the troops and the police ; but yet The amendment was consequently lost. The report wee
it appeared that all their lordships who had then *greed to, and the bill ordered to be read a thud limo
spoken, agreed that a conspiracy still existed through- to-morrow (this day), at 12 o'clock.
eat Ireland, and that bodies of people, by secret The house so 3 o'clock then adjourned to 6 o'clock.
combination, were bound together, upon a system The house remand at 6 o'clock.
of organisation foillTeiiiiiiurposes ; this matter. therefore, POOR LAW (IRELAND).
squired the anxious observation and attention of the Sir G. GREY, In reply to Major Blackall, said ant elte ,
government, which must continue in a state of preparation poor-law commisesoners in Ireland were actively engaged ha I
to resist any attempts of the clubs and others wider the can- procuring information from every part of the country, ea
Orel et dm* persons who had already mocasioned this out- •whish to proceed more efficaciously in working at
the poor.
=Rear, hear.) He was happy to find that the go- law, and, therefore, he did not suppose that any report
still reprarded with a watchful eye the existence of would be made previous to the prorogation of parliament.
'.2......0.... Wien; and intended to propose further measures to MILITARY SERVICES IN AFRICA.
t such sesempiracies and combinations as had lately ex- Mr. F. MAULE, in reply to Mr. B. 051301tNa, said that he
=throughout the country. In this confidence he had no had been in cominunication with the Duke of Wellington cm