The Express.
London, England, 1851-05-31 00:00:00

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, la reply to the question ,
of the hon. member for Dublin, said that a resenpt ap-
pointing any Roman catholic archbishop or bishop with a
territonal talk would, in his judgment, be illegal, both
under the statute of Usu. IV., and also under the provi-
sions of this bill. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS mid that although this answer did
not satisfy him—(oh, oh)—yet he felt he would be guilty of
an unpardonable offence, alter what he had promised, if he
persevered with his motion for reporting progress.
(Hear, hear.)
The committee divided on the motion "that the ant
clause stand part of the bill:"

For it
Against 62-182
On our return to the gallery, we found

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Lord J. RUSSELL moving that the Chairman report
progress and ask leave to sit again on Monday. In making
this motion, he had a suggestion to make to some of those
hon. gentlemen who bad amendments on the paper. The
Pint clause had becu very fairly debated that night by
many members ; but with regard to another class of mem-
bers of that house, who were supporters of the bill, and
who were anxious to move. amendments, be wished them
to consider whether there were not amendments— see-
ing that some of them did not carry the enactments
of the bill any further than they were now tarried,
and that others were of so objectionable a character in the
view of many members that it would be impossible fur either
them or the government to assent to them—he wished such
hon. gentlemen to consider, not to-night, but between this
and Monday, whether there were not some of those amend-
ments which they might not think of insufficient impor-
tance to press on the attention of the house. (hear, hear.)
It appeared to him that the first clause M the bill 'tamped
with illegality the brief of September, and that the second
clause made illegal and visited with penalties the assump-
tion of titles taken from places in this country ; and that
these two clauses would tom a declaration by parliament
sufficiently strong and authorativc to vindicate the supre-
macy of the crown and the power of parliament. Now,
however, hon. gentlemen might differ with regard
to the improvements that might be made in the
bill, he wished them to consider whether the de-
lay and divi.ionx that might occur in cousequenct would
not be an evil more than counterbalancing the advantage
that might he obtained from the adoption of the amend-
ments. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. WALPOLE said that he thought it would be mum-
talent if he were to state shortly the course he proposed to
take. Meer, hear.) His first amendment on the second
clause related to three points. The first proposed that if any
person should do, or assume to do, any set, deed, or matter
under or by virtue of the said brief, rescript, or letters
apietolical. • The second was that "if any person should
hereafter obtain, or cause to be procured, or publish and
put in use any brief. reseript, &c." And the third
was that .• if any person should, under colour of any autho-
lily from the bishop or see of Rume, assume or claim to
have or exercise any authority or jurisdiction over any
province or diocese, or any pretended province or diocese in
the;United Kingdom," certain penalties were to fellow.
Now, With regard to the first, it was a necessary conse-
quence of declaring the brief to be unlawful, and he would
take the opinion of the committee upon it. With regard
to the second point, he thought it necessary to take the
opinion of the house upon it, as he thought it would be
advisable to avoid having recourse to fresh le-
gislation and having their time wasted as it WY
recently. (Hear, hear.) Ile would therefore press these
two amendments on the enir.mittee. (near, hear.) With
regard to No. 3 he had more doubts about it, beemee of the
difficulty of enforcing the prohibition in the same way as in
the two other eases. %Ali regard to the prosecuting
clause he was ready to adopt the amendment proposed by
his hon. and learned friend the member fur Abingdon,—
(hear, hear)—and he thought that the proposition of the
hon. and learned member for Athlone might be incorpo-
rated in that proviso. With regard to the other amend-
ments on the second paragraph, he proposed to press them
strongly on the attention of the house. (Hear, bear.)
Lord. RUSSELL mid he was much obliged to the hon.
and learned member for the statement of the course he pro-
to take, but it might be convenient to inform the
that he could not consent to any of the amendments
be meant to propose.
Alter a few words from Mr. WALPOLE,
The CHAIRMAN reported !progress, and the house