The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-06 00:00:00

wry ash 7 pineal spud wtth Ida, that Ifs beet maw et -
the Han el the been =raid be to hat the de-
Mk& of •peeehaa, (Hoer. boar.) How members eels&
"ho,ar bear," but would tliey Intim ft, that la a comrafree
of IL when at brought that prepaid= forward, he could
not prevail apes Say we to sesead Na? He stout aloes.
He should be plod to !mow what math, of the ham
ar to the limitation of the dantieso/spsee e. If lea.
ambers would agree to limit their wean to or har, 1$
save awit dee. It =seal/ thee =Newer* 11 +topics
way soma this pond through the Muss. ea whirl
4.= was this speed to.
Oa the maw oldie third resolution,
Mr. REBUS, .Mead that a &Moe* nal+. aria a
to whoa ware seweemeeit aria& Tan wen bil r of ap-
lural sharastar whisk eight bajattadacol by invite eluide, as
well as by the pearaarat.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY thought that thin stutuld be
=sae liadtatka of the time at wWt thus ardor might be

entertained. He wished to know whether then should set
be some limit of time after whisk so Male order sboula be
taken up. That might be dem by • reseintion that se Mo-
nti* cm en order of the day desald come to after 12 •
Vela*.
Mr. HUME mid it would be of isoeetaea to ea., a rem-
laths that se gowcsm I bill should be introduced after a
mold& day, >tslm es some emegympey, Government eaglet
met le anew the amiss' lege cm. ieleging in • few hills, end
=at the end of tee eseiss, en* a number, that they
sot be attended to. Those mg* to be some fixed duly
b=lwhisk se goversamet cam seat to be allowed*
a paha hills. The boas MGM tine set be take. by
=iissad there would set be es gm* ends bedtim es
bes% the ems of late yeses.
Sir ROBERT PEEL, as one who bad bad expertise" of
palls berisses, thought that if the house laid down • rule
that every resume* bill should be beenaght in *bre a
mods day„ there would be censtanteprons for .he one-
passim titles rule. He doubted the of requiting that
a greet amber of bile Ghoul be 1 on the table at
the SOW dal ; he deabesd whether k wee vet meek
bettor to Mane the maw ef pireemilpfb to bring is
me sr be Mb whisk they were delsmieed to pose
with all espelhiss. Thieves better them diverting the a**
ion of *theme by • great mass of
Mr.b y elli ealy te to .hemergistr►l'illis that Wee . ..*
le in. Government awl* O. to in • 'co cables*
know, by Ist July or the lit el Lege" what bills the
would la.
The third mad fourth *solstice* were then meted to.
Cis the fifth resolution,
Mr. LAW submitted that it was drivable to e‘rept from
the elders of the day such bills as involved ti, repeal of
public statutes, sad he therefore proposed to at: •: der the
words " orders of the day," the words, " 'mold bills kr
relying the repeal of public statutes."
Col. SIBTHORP seconded the amendment. Wednes-
day was generally aptropriated to senueglin: in bilk.
Government expected very few members to be pr ,sent, and
trailed themselves of aa gimp y house
Mr. EWART observed that the Speaker hit -.Wed, in
his evider ea before the committee, that of all ite days in
which liminess was conducted in the most estisfi, t uy man-
ger, Wednesday was the day on which the ! .5 debate
aoeyred.
Lord J. RUSSELL bad no objection to inseri words to
the effect that no motion should be brought lc, after the
orders of the day.
Resolutions 8 and 7 weiesd to.
Resolution 8 bong proposed
Mr. V. SMITH said that lie did not think these reeds-
dons, standing alone, would be found adequate .‘, 'he object
which they had in view. The great cause of tht delay had
hem he inclement adjournments, and the constdit sneaking
slumbers on every stage of a hill. The hon. member fat
Word had called the attention of the comno toe to this
woolen, and had moved that every motion for utij, urnment
and every adjournment of a debate should be pr, coed and
seconded, and the question decided without denat and that
no division should be permitted unless 21 members standing
op in their places should declare themselves with the ayes.
He was certain that some such measure would he a better
expedient than any of the resolutions of the gs vernment.
The resolution was not afterwards reported to the honse, and
her ldsjesty's government had not thought fit to tyke it up;
but he seriously hoped that his hon. Mend would repose it •
to the house.
Mr. BROTHERTON said that he should b. happy to
Cotthe resolution to the house which he ha,l proposed
o: mitt's, if to thought it was likely to meet with gene-
ral acceptance. It would facilitate public business.
Hr. HENRY DRUMMOND was undentood to say that te
any pros:Stain to curtail or limit the length of r,oeckes he
' would give hie support.
Mr. WALPOLE suggested whether it ISigh. I,Ct be ad-
vantageous to go back to what was the standing , , , ler of the
house, that no bill should be presented to the fr.— unless a
copy of it was left with the clerk of the bees three days
Wore leave was asked to bring it in. This was tk e standing
order in 1861: "No act ought to be preeente : without •
breviate being given to the Speaker • and the (3, esker ought
not to open a bill, unites a breviate' be given.' As to pri-
vate bills, the bill wasdepasited in the private bib . dice, and
there woe a standing order that a copy should las lett with
the Clerk of the House. An opportunity should Inc given to
members to consider a bill before it was introdue 4.
Mr. OOULBURN thought the hon. member hsil =bun-
dentood the order of 1861. A breviate was always pre-
sented with the bill after the leave had been giei.4l.
Sir B. INGLIS said that what was wished was that more
attention should be given by hon. atemberstothe eniutruction
of their own legislation. Stich construction wood be more
carefully attended to if an interval of three days were
given.
The resolution wee then agreed to.
The resolutions 9, 10, 11, 12, were, with some verbal
amendments, agreed to.
Oa resolution 13, weiviag the privilege of the .109110 as to
money clauses in certain specified came,
Sir R. INOLIS begged to move as a outwit,. te for this
resolution, that which-had been "greed to by lb,. committee
on public business, on the 18th July last. (The t,tor of this
resolution was, as we understood, to add all imposts or rates
of a peraliarlylocalcharacter, and not intended for thepublie
service, to the list of exemptions.)
Mr. NUMB said that the resolution which the hon. be-
roast sought to revive had bees the subject of long discus..
dons before it was rescinded.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not feel justified in acceding to
the alteration.
Sir R. INOLIS withdrew his amendment, and the resolu-
tion in its original form was speed to.
On the 14th resolution:
That alter Terday, the Ist day of May next, order., of the day
shall hare reveedeste of settees of motions on Thurnd,y+, the right
being reserved to bee Illititety's ministate of parka aeenunent
orders at the heed of the Vetoes on Mondays sad Fridays,
Mr. BERRIES said that this resolution dilli'red from
those which had preceded it, inasmuch es it had proceeded
' from the government instead of having been roc mmended
by the committee. The house was asked on the third night
of the maks to come to a decision resppoting V., mode of
winging the business in May next. He had a great *jot-
don to that proposition. (Heir, hear.) In his opinion the
former tenn, of defining decision on this point until the
public buboes required it was much preferable.
Lord J. RUSSELL begged to cell the attention of
the home to the great change which of late years bad taken
place be the mode of conducting public business. Although
at the seennuessement of the century notices bad precedents
of orders al the day, the house would find that ell
Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays, government
Gould generally introduce a bill, and it was only now and
then that a notice interfered with them. It wax found after-
wards that notices increased so much as to render the cony-
inr on of the public business impoedble, and the hors ap-
pointed two days for the government business At that
time the government business consisted principally of nom&
using committees of supply, and of ways and means, but
subsequently it wee thought that every measure of general
importance should be originated by the government, and
that the province of independent members should be to criti-
cise and'emend. That being the case, it became an unfair
distribution of the public time, to give only two dale
to the government, while independent members bad
three, and therefore he thought that either the pre-
seat resolution should be agreed to, or that at
some rabsequenitteriod of the suedes the alternate Thum-
days should'oe men to government. However, having In-
troduced the an *lot and presented the steeled*, he did
not wish to pees it, but would leave it for future comiders-
tins when hon. members Gould not say that the home bad
been taken by surprise. (Hear, hese.) He should them-
ktomove that the resolution be withdrawn.
Mr. It. GIBSON wee anxious that dispassion on this sub-
ject disuld not terminate without some consideration being
gives* he question of the limitation of the duration ell
speedos (Hear, bear.) The most modest proposal had.
bees shade en thip subject, but as it was a novelty he wee
auxins that the *sage should be gradually made. Half
an brag had bee. proposed • la his opinion forty
mines ought to be the anima, but he wee
willing they should sommenes with a limitation
to melhear„ To this sod be should move that the following
words* ailed to the ressiation : " That, with a view to
the de meide el patella bulimia the duration of speeches be
ilmitallelliee hoar, bat that this rule do not apply to mam-
bas helesdadeg origisal medess, wr misisters of the mown
=hi repay." This motion had hese submitted in the
by his hon. Mend the member for the Wart Bid-
ing, sod bad there received some smpse bet he trusted
wit would meet with more aseeptance in the
The SPEAKER asked tithe be.. member 'Wetted to the
withhawal of the resolution ?
Mr. M. GIBSON mid, that if he esteaded to the with-
drawal of the resolutise, the house would_ wimps allow
hint to introduce his prepaid's se •
le the melles.
He knew it was irregt• but he dangle the present the
Attest occasion for the introduction tithe abject.
Mr. HORSMAN thought the preen* the fitting roo.
slant to eall the Menden Odle hems he *e prattles whit*
had prevailed of Me pegs si stardleg • larlle Mlles id
the bulbous of the endue bete the use lb .ft.. wk.
last minion there were forty-nice bills read a flat time fart
the Ist August, sad seventy ter were read a third
to
devisee the msatit. He it would a good glom
to provide that patio hills set pp certain doge,
should those stages net have snivel befisethe let of Await.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the hon. member's
don was well worthy of attention. It was, no clio3E - ?"' ri
mast incenvenient rarities to have a large ;mien ' '
111."Mbisirgi'lluk. briI..GIBBO.I"4"N said7thatthestillatht rsepeetw'mat tothrshiliswe.spilltei'' 'fit ..:4
thin, he thought he weld arrange the ty He es
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object to the withdrawal of the resolution, anti es . ' -/4
amendment that Ad the word "that" the were ! / ~..
already read to the beam *Mid be added. c ,- ' i IV
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