The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-30 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, MONDAY EVENING, JULY 30, 1849.

expressing the di•Asplrieal of the conduct of the Courts of
Swill and Aul.aia in their unjustifiable semolina the nun-
garter' people.
Putimc N c.T MANCES.-14r. C. LUSIIINOTON, from St.
Juhr:s, WeEminst r. complaining of the pestdentisl con-
di mut of Milluank and the opi,oeite shore from bunt-burning,
acd praying fora remedy fur the nuisance.
ATIORNETIe CutrinchTs DIITT.—Capt. BOLDERO,
fur the ab Adjust of the duty, from places, Lamps nut heard.
OW/STY COOKTII,—Mr. MULLINGS and Mr. PATTEN,
fur extending the jariadiction of them amts.

ROYAL ASSENT.
Sir A. CLIFFORD appeared at the bar and requested the
immediate attendance of the hew in the House of Loris to
hear the royal assent given to certain bills (for watch pee
Lords' report).
NEW WRIT.
On the motion of Mr. Tura:nee a new writ was ordered
for fres borouen of Beading, in the room of Mr. Serjeant
Caleaurd, raised to the bench.
PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. HUMS objected to the mud* in which private bills
were hurried through the house towards the close of the
session, and ',aid it would be much better that all those bills
'should be reject. el than that they should be carried in this
impromptu manlier.
Mr. F. MAULE concurred In the obeervatiens ot the
hon. gentleman, and instanced the case of a bill 'thick hat
been read a third time that coming In the House of Lords,
and which was coming down to the House of Ceremens ;
bat in which eel/tufty it would be impotsiele to introduce
any amendments that might be necessary.
Mr. DISRAELI said this only showed the inconvenience
of adjuurt ing the house at this early period. He believed
t. at tae conclusien of the session was premature, and &seed
whether the advice of the ministry is her Majesty on the
subject of adjournment did not show that their legislation
was not worthy of c nifidence.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
On the mouses of Mr. C. LEWIS, a conference was sp-
rinted with Inf. Lords to consider the asses dissents in this
and Sr G Orey, the Chanceller of the Exch. quer, Sir
W. 8 imervele, Sir J. Grettem, Mr. 11 =ilex the Aters
ney General. Mr Reynolds, and other hon. gentlemen were
appointed to corium the same.
Sir 0. GREY apeeared at the her and reported that the
overawe of lie confer. nee had delivered their rt aeons tor
eesagreeing to the said amendments, and had left the bill
and the said amendments with their lorelehips.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
Lwd J. RUSSELL row to move that the bowie, at its
rising, de adjourn till Tuesday nee'.
Mr. HUME eluded to the way in which the basins ss had
lately been pressed on, and asi i that it cooed do credit to no
user Why nee the ?muse to pats over the Monday ?
Mr. AGLIONBY hopee that for the co..veolenee, rot
nay of the timer' but of the public, name other'
;lan would be adopted next Brillion ; for the man-
ter in which the business hae been conducted for
the Lot ineath wall not at all satisfactory. There was no
busker for the first three or four moths of the sitting—
there was nothing but talk. (Hear, hear.) Teem wan a
newel g setting at the time member. were attenning to th •
duties which wero imposed mean them in committees. He
was certain that for th 3 last month a great number of Yalu
stem members had been unable to attend on a single bill in a
moro It was putting a dangerous pow. r in the hands
of revornmeie to have the beats. carted on in the
morning.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that one reason for the manner
is which the lament,' had been sloes was, that in the early
j art te the levies, there were so rainy eotiose of motion,
and not only noires of motion, but motions made in com-
mittee of supply. The whole s f the time wee taken tap in
the discessien of these motion+, ani it was gore imeossible, if
a hill was brought leeward, to bring it en before 12 °'c ek
at sethe when, esturelly, oleo Lions rose to the considera-
tion of the bill at moth an hour, and the mom qu.'ner was that
members hat. (mind it impossible t bring on tneir bills at the
proper peried of the session. He could only Fey that
be believed that toe best remelt for early legislation
at an early part of the year world he that member',
would elegem to postpone their motions. He topcdethe
hostel would not be liable to the prediction made by an Me
lade to Horace, that h' would not die of r ois re, or of fever,
or et tout, or item ral other disease*, bet that he would die a
length°, in e garralitypf some person ("Hear," and laughter.)
Mr. DISRAELI. in reference to the unsatisfactory m
is ith pubic business had been conducted at the
latter end of th t WS ion, said that the noble lord had
attempted, as he did last year, to fix the manse et 0 at was t-
tiafeetery rate on the hour, end not on the g mere:neat
He took ceeui.,n last year, in consequence, by itholyaiter the
progress of public twiner, to derimastrafe On: the cause of
delay wee iii the government, and not in the boo e ; and he
believed the accuracy of that moult lied clever been ques-
tioned. Tee noble lord said to-d y that, in conerquenee of
the number of none II of motions and nmordinents,
en going into committee of supply, public huenees
and the Progress of legislation had been necessarily
retarded. If he recollected ruche there hid been no corn
mitt a of supple for t` roe months ; and he did not remember
a ee.sion in selects there was a more general disposition to
aceelerate the pr Frees of adjeurnel debates and restrict the
&sire of expressing °retina, which the noble lord seemed to
&wove of. 11' rose only to vindicate the bowie from whit
he enitsidered to be the accuse, inn of the noble Teri—unjust
under all circumstances, but in this session most unmerited
by the helve.
Me ROEBUCK. suggested to the noble lord that, ire
stead of having beton the haulms at the same time, some-
thing like melee museums, all in a met unsatisfactory
Man, nobody knowing how fir they would be carried, be
about bring in one hill at a time, and carry it threugh
attily, end adhere to that measure, and finish with It. Now,
sezerling to the present practice, at the t nd of every session,
t ten. we. what was milted " the 'serene of the innocents,"
when more than half the measures of the got foment were
tor.wn overboard, and all previous labours were rendered
futile.
1 he writing was then agreed to that the house at its thine
do adjourn till Tuesday next.
MOTIONS FOR NEXT SESSION.
Mr. MACGRE(JOR gave pettiest th •t, early next maim,
he w 'Ol submit to the house a resolution relative to toe
total eutitatime of mooning alaips, marine insuraece., and
other moth re.
Mr. WYLY/ gave notice that next seeeen he would move
for leave to bring in a bill for the due inspection of min s
and c
Mr. AGLION BY gave notice that next session Le weft'd
m tre isr neve to brit g is a bill for the compulsoey entree-
chic, meet of copyh tl. s.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
Sir J. GRAHAM asked the noble lord what he intended
to doss to the bite which had just emus down from the
Lore,. S tine bills had just come down in vehicle &Revenge
el been made. There was ane thee hill, a rethold bill, dm
Now yule, Berwieke and Carlisle and Slaryport Arnelg units
tie. Hill, in service ten morning, Ilene the last hour, ciemei
had been inserted. The SAW., »naafis ettelandis, with the
provisions of the Railway Audit Bill, weith had come down
forathe House of lends, en which no pierces had been made.
Ott the last day of the session what upper. unity had they of
r. ti .c•ing on the nature of these Trip large alterations? Tttie
clauwe should be printed and they should have an oppertu-
ten of seine them. lie limed the noble lord would not
e on the house to adopt these very imp-inset clews...,
.44led on ''Sr third reading of the bile it: the House of Lords,
at the last hour.
Lead J. RUSSELL, in the fleet place, bad to answer the
right hoe. gentleman, that there w mad he Vane on Tuesday
to c 'eider any matters, as it was not intended that the see-
rim should be eland on Tuesday, but on Wednesday. Ae
to the Bank suptcy B 11, he believed that althoutth it hid
been amended very largely in this house, the amendineets
now made by the lords were very trinint. The Routs o
Lords, it appeared, had added a chute to the bill, awl it was
for that hone* to decide whether or Lot it would accept it.
Sir J. GRAHAM suegested the poopacement of the steer
until Tuesday nee, when there would be ample time t 3
die-
cuss the Lords' Antemlatente.
Mr. LABOUse HERE said that the em. ndments would be
examined by the chairman of ways and means, an,i if there
were anything in them calling for caesideration he would
cal the attention of the house to it.
WOODS AND FORESTS.
Lerel DUNCAN said that daring the turreted= a bill hod
been passed extending the time for the Comma sinners of
Woods and For eta to send in their report from the end of
the. session to the 30:11 June following. No rep 'ft bed as
yet been hi 1 on the table, sod the question he wished to
"k was, when the Louse might expect the centraerionere
manual re-nit
Me. HATTER said that the delay had arisen fmra the
fact that nne of the commissioner' had been submitted to •
most lengthened extusinatien lay the committee of which the
noble lord was chairmen. Teat examination had last. d six
weeks. Another reason was that the accounts Lad beet re-
quired to be made out in • new form. The report was how-
ever ready, and weed be laid on the Vaal.. on Monday next.
PETERe-STREET (DUBLIN) SAVINGS BANK.
Mr. REYNOLDS had a question to ask the Chancellor of
the Ezehequer respecting the feline of the Peterestreet
S .vings Bank He begged to rewind the house that a select
committee had ben appointed to implies into the eneum-
stances of that failure. That committee had sat 15 times,
and had asked 4.000 questions • but, notwithstanding that
non.her equation., they had Leen unable to make any
report. There were about 1,700 persons sufferers by the
failure, seed servants, eremite and 1 ,hourers, and there was
the greatest anxiety in Dublin as to the result of the irquiry.
Ile believed that the case Rimiest the government was mode
out, and the question he wished to ask was, why the emu-
mine. had not reported, rend, not haying reported, whether
it was intended to continue the inquiry daring tee recess, and
e s renew the committee during the next session?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would not
enter into the statement of his hoe. friend, as the subject
matter was not properly before the house, bat would conteet
himself with answering the questions. The name why the
e mmittee had not reported was, that notwithstanding all
the questions and the great attention to the subject of hit boo.
friend, they had not been able to come to any satisfactory
conelusiou as to why such a sum of money had disappeared.
He did propose that the inquiry should be continued during
the reams until the accountant had produced a full aid Cleat
statement of the affairs, until which time it would be utterly
impossible to get a report. Ile apprehended that during the
ensuint session the committee would be reassembled, sad
ti.e accountant's report laid before it.
CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT.
Mr. MACGREGOR wished for some information respect-
ing the customs department. He wished to know whether any
steps had been taken to render the regulations of that depart-
snout consistent with the inereasieg commerce and naviga-
tion of this country, especially as regarded the steam trade

and. oar intcrcrurse. through that trade, with the various
toantries of the world. Al;,s whether any means had been
' ad-pted for obtaining monthly returns of the imports and
exports of the country, and the number and nature of vessels
arriving and departing
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER .aid ttat a
committee of members of the government, assisted by ■n old
and experienced servant of the public, had bet n run some
time isquirieg into the management of the esteems d pert-
inent, and the result bad been an annual saving of 60,0001.
Arrangements were also being made for obtaining re-
turns of the imports and exports, and of the numb r of
vessel■ arriving and departing at much earlier periods than
at present.
YORK, NEWCASTLE, AND BERWICK RAILWAY
BILL.
Sir J. GRAHAM wished to ask two questions. Pint,
whether any steps had been taken to have the lArds'
meet on toe York, Newcastle, and Berwick Railway Bill
prinmd ; and secondly, whether in the Eastern Counties
Bill, to the Lords' amendments on which the seism of the
Commons had already been given, a clause bad been insert. if
by the Lords giving the power to elect a government
, auditor ?
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Mr. BERNAL said that with respect to the printing of the
enseedments on the first named bill, no *tips would be re-
quired, as, it the house deemed the ',rinsing n cense', is
would he done in due course. In answer to the a nand
questioe, he was marry to say that he did net know whether
the amendment alluded to by the right hon. baronet had
been inserted by the Lords. If it had been, it was forested
to in utter ittDOCIIICO by the House of Commons. h fact
was that, owing to the extraordinary pressure of business at
that period of the session, it was etude imp *Whit properly
to cumin, each bill. Ito had some time since mashed eis,
hands of the matter, declasiog thet it was utterly imp seble
he should know the contents of each Lill. (Hear, le gr.)
Sir J. GRAHAeI repeated his question, as to whether
the amendments on the York, Newcastle, and Berwick Bill I
would be primed.
The SPEAKER—UnIess the right hon. baronet emince,
the house, they cannot he printed.
Sir J. GRAHAM—Then, with the permission of the
Mauer, I move that the Lords' amendments to the York,
Newcastle. and Berwick Railway Bill be printed with the'
Toter. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GREENE said that the promoters of this bill were
extremely anxious thee it should become law during the tree
sent session, and it wield be a very great hardship on them
if, through the 'niers:en of a clause to which they were no
tar v, but 'o which, on the contrary, they were
they should lee, their bill. (Hear, hear.) If ra7.ll::',
were to ha prorogued on Wednesday next, he feared 'het it
weal be impossible to include this bill in the commission.
Under tb a. circumstances he would suggest that th mate r
be taken into consideration forthwith, and a confer.ince had
with the Lords at once.
Mr. CARD WELL said, it appeared that in this case a
great prineilee ws' involved, that of neablishisig a gouge-
went audit of railway acceuuts. (Hear, hear.) A bli on
that great medic gave ion Led come down at a late perket of
the session, from the Home of Lords, but the government,
thinking there was teat time for its till and fair disesseem,
had pestp ned it for .soothe r year. His right hon. friend
behind him baked whether, in a private Lill, a 0111$11 had
been introduced recognieieg the principle, and he was
&wetted the in consequence of the pressure of business
the proper authority had Mued it impossible to ascertain the
feet. (Hear, hear.) The eon. meether for Lancaster told
them that by instituting inquiry, and thus dela, ing the mea-
sure in regrew, they would be injuring an us i ff. edire
party. He (Mr. Csrdwe'J) considered that it was a serious
qu. alien ter coneideevion, if, when the Hoene of Commons
hide nsented to tee suseension of its standing orders Ia
order to facilitate radio business, a surprise of the kied
nllodtd to 10-0131,1 have been attempted. (II( er,
bear ) He shoull bey, let them trdeareur to find out
tome means, by which the interest of the bill should not be
pr judimel, but be felt ii his duty, representing es he die the
lamest cemmunite of shareholders in the kinedom, to '-
test seal. st a surreptisiens clause of this kind, involving:.
gre at principle which the government itself had by exeress
arrange mnot postpened, being smuggled into a private bill.
(Hear, hear.)
Lord J. ltteeSELL 'aid that the boo. member had stated
in substance what h coursed between the toverement and
repreerntetives of ine railway companies. It was in effect
Viet the gevernment were not unwilling that the soapanirs
should eotheidre vie er they could riot themseiv, s &aim
some fillfet toil sieges -if audi , while tit the same time govt rai-
ment del no: ph.", thenamilm to ace pt sash means as nee
ficient. With respeee to tee immediate question he quite
agreed with the lion. member for Liverpool to thinking that
it would not he h sing ea ask the hoes • to toiltillennsediate'l
to &aeon sea e s err) imeerant a question. ((tor, titer.)
Mintier the p elle% were to get their bill was another
question. He d.d rei think that the near aerroach of the
tri moat ion of the sr gion Wadi be a her to their interests.
It a conference wit the Lords sly old be comae:end ad-
visable, the houw might meet en Meeemy next, in which
cane he would move to eeseind the reselution to which, on
his amities the Few, tied came w adjourning over to Tues-
day, and even it it *ere impossiblii to have the proregation
Weietesdev cone's on.), with the conteletion of the Lill,
he would uudertake to advise the er min 7, postpone the pro-
rogation ie order that the delib.rate opinion of the house
night he obtaim d thie dame. (Hear, he are)
L Os' amendmneta to the York, Newcastle, and Berwick
BiU to be connate it n Tuesday next.
BRI , I S!I GUIANA.
Mr. BAILLIF, e it that, having had the honour to he
chairman of tie Cnelem and Guiana committee. he had been
ed to nem that humble address be presented
to her Majesty toe the royel perutigiun teat a ceennereion
sboule he appkeeed to ta quire on thespot into the means telt, n
(or the suppressitn of tt e recent iniurrectiou in Ceylon."
In saddler that metime, it was not his intender, to make any
°bat Teatime on the evidee ce which had b ien reeeivne by the
committee. Ile ei I not keow what were the in conies. of
government. lie could only say that the care could not stand
where it was, but that a satisfactory coeclusien must be ar-
rived at by sense means or other. The hon. member con-
cluded by seeing • he address.
Lard J. RUSSELL was of opinion that in so far as it
"metered the geed ger rnment of tour d:::.111(1.11Ciell it RIO a
very serious question whether a commission should be sr
poiuted to inquire into the conduct o: the • xeeutive
at the head el one ell the se dependeacks. It app-:and t a him
that oommissiens might be *everted. sued hail teen
painted from tene to rim', to fewer° into the state of our
oluniee, thsif gee eral *emir heresies:, and likewise their
dunce, and to get meet ire moat:on as might enable par-
Hammen' to legislate. But an inquiry into the meat.% talent,
for the auppeeseien of insuerection appeared to him
as calculated to weaken rod impair the authority
of any Renton eaerchie.S she function• of government. It
appeared to bin thou that tee house. could I.ot in utter Wm-
ranee of the evideece given before the ei twain, e, the
reasons +tech weighed with them to eseeeltneediele this ex-
traordinary step—but teeming only met the eellelnitts • had
' passed the reselusion on a ,uedmi, and withoet "%lieelhat
the bums could w t adopt the proposal now eeelite be it
The hon gentleman said, and the statement !cos
an extra: reittary ere as justification for lb present nee:elle
that he urderstend it was a usual cousin for the C me" ot'.
Ch inter) to appoint commissioners end seed them to India
or Ceylon to obtain evidence on crestinns of title. True,
that was the practice of the Court of Chancery, Let was there
any analegy we, n a commission appointed ley that court
en a ((urgent cf property sad th .t tel a thane mile against
the governor e: t cremes 1 Ile must, far the reasons he bed
auto I, said for the a ihe of the good government acme colonial
empire el meets. resist the pr. pedant. If, however,the boo.
reember for Morer se weal come forward beet session in an
open and many mariner—as he knew he would do if he felt
that the circumstances justified that e ,one—and move for a
select comieithe en order to ley on the taiga cf the home
articles of impeachment aaainet Lard Torrington, he (Levi
J. Russell) would be prepared to me,t biro—(hart, hear)—
bet be could not cons. rat to a c ,11:16141401 white would era-
lastly Jest, y the authority of the riventor of the eolony,
without being &Paneled witu any pertkaler result. (Hen,
hem )
Mr. 11l ME alike that with regard to the committee being
taken by surprise, the first nodes was given fur the day when
the cemmi tee we, summoned for special periwig. Notice
was given by L ri Hotharn that be intended to propose the
resolluieti i i qu gem, but =ether nosier was Lased by the
Meek in whiea by mistake that resolution was not me rrea
to. The committee, however, were rpedally summoned.
Mr. HAWES—No, it was the oreinary summons.
Mr. HUME.—The Fumes:one was a special owe. (Hear,
' beer.) Notice of a renewi,n ras given at which the com-
mittee were to meet and the dirk eirre'ed to insert it
in the circular, but by misteto kz ienieel to do so, but
ti.e committee were summoneel fir other peerage, and they
were ell there. ("No," from Mr. Hawes.) He mit:Moll
that there were three members absent, Sir R. Peel, Mr.
Gemetatene, and Mr. Adderley, who were cat of town at the
time
1 Mr. HAWES.—Tbere were four absent. (Hear.)
Mr. Ille UE undentooori there were four members sheent.
(Hein, hear.) But now shat were the circumstances of the
case' The 'woke lord said that the granting this irquiry
would issueless) the functions of the gove:nor; and that if he
(Mr. Hume) would allow thine. to remain as they were, and
next session bring forward articles of impeachment aiming I
Lord Torringtoo, that would be it manly &caste eghtforward
mune of preceeding. (Hear.) Hs could only say !het if the
evidence now wonting were eellected, and it should warrant
such a sem, if n 3 other riven would bring forward such a
proposition, he would do to. (Loud Cheers.) Ii Lord
Clarendon had done in Ireland what the evidence, so
far as it went, proved Lord Terringten to bate done in,
Carton—if 3d cot reemartial bad been held by his ordeal,
Mid IS persons had been e envieed and shot to death, and
emery others transported for life .r imprisoned under the
maraca of those courts martial—and if, as the evidence
went to pray", that these stets—
Mr. BAILLIE must object to the bon. member for 'edon-
tthre gising the substance of evidence net yet laid on the
tilde. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HIJME would then state what was not in the evi-
dence. (A laugh.) They knew that the governor of
Ceylon was directed by the severe km to s'nd mace every six
Imonths the proceedings of the Executive and Le3islative
Cnuescila—they had evidence in the statement of his hon.
I friend near him I Mr. Hawes) to show that the proemial: ga
up to December, 1818, whieh would have given them the
official information of the origin, cause, and grounds for et-
fahlishine martial law, had not been forwarded. Nene of the
Mgt of the Ine
slitureand the government had hem
r7wce:ided. and therefore they were in ignorance of the form
and manner of the stelae which Lord Torrington had taken.
I Here, then, was a dear breath of the sovereign's instructeoo.
This oleo the knew without baying recourse to the evidence
taken by the committee—that 34 courts martial had
been hell, and that neither in the Colonial-office nor in the
WILT•OffiCO were there any accounts of the manner in which

th tvihunals had been constituted, or of their proceedings.
They kLew not ti•e number of officers of chick they con-
sisted. All the y did know wee the no official marl of
' their pc-needless bad bees sent to England. (Hear, hear.)
And yet Lord Grey had given Ws ungu..lifled approval of
all thesa acts. The evidence before the committee proved
that Lard Torrioetun had exceeded his legitimate functions.

Mr. HAWES—Order order!
Mr. HUME—I say Teo, we have evidence to prove it.
(" No, no," from Mr. Hewer.) Y.O may deny it, as you
fiery ev,rphinn. (Cries of o:der, order.")
The SPEAKER—II the evidence has not been reported
it is clearly out of (edit, to allude to it. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME had alluded to the evidence, but had not
quoted from it. (A lattah.) The bon. member the Under
Secretary denied his (Mr. Hume's) allegation. (Hear,
he Sr.) But the Ito-. member was not warrantel in denying
an allegation which could be proved. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. lIAWES —I am quito reedy to n.eet your allege-
time. ar, hear )
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Mr. HUMS.—WeII, then, mee t them now. (A laugh.)
But with the evidence they tied of Ihe nutlike ot life which
had occurred, the promo gotion of orders which had been
d the exercise of pow, rs unknown in any part of
tie dominions of the Queen, except In Ceylon—when
they had evidence of the pr petty of innocent per-
sons keying been confiscated and sold at • great
sacrifice, end the only satisfaction afterwards accorded
to them being the promise of the return of the
proceeds of the sale—with the ki.owledee they had of the
sacrifice 01 life and property which bad resulted from the con-
duct of the govt raor of that colony, it behoved that house,
'or the protection ot the lives and properties of her el j stela
subjects i.e all her depectlenciee, that a full explanation
should be had. ( Hear, hear.) In the absence of the pro-
eeedines of the Leuelative end Ilse. advs. Councils, and in
the absence of al: etflaal deteils of Lord Torringtotes pro.
ceediees, except as to one c mremartial, the committee hie!
not the inierrnaim necessary to enable them to con-
clude their inquiry. AU they knew was, that n num-
ber of lives had been !Jeri liced ; and, in his
opini tie they had taken a ?roper course in advising
a c ormimion to Teemed to the spot to carry out the invest).
Ration' and :deem in o.e real feet:, in order to enable the
house to form a judgment as to the mivits of the cam.
(Hear, hear.) lie knew of no other mode by which justice
could br dune; and, if the noble lard meant, by refuel .g
' the motion, to thy that eceryt'.ieg should be done to screen
any governor of a colony chirped with imr roper conduct,
and that means should cot be afforded to those who were
complaining of injustice, to establish their ease—if that was
to be the principle on which our c donies were to be governed,
the di-satisfaction would not It: confined to Ceylon, but
would extend to all. (Hear.) This resolution war pertt ctly
in cer.eurrence with tt e wishes of the inhabiteete of the
()elm], who asked f.r • commieeien to i. quire
into the grievances which they alleged they were suffent.g.
! What hi had now 'mud vim tot ,hum the evidence, out
fr .m the blue-book on the table ; and he contended that,
• irok p•-r dee: of the eonlence taken before the committee
, ad. get. tr, there was round in the information
before tit. how: to 'acme: the passing of the motion before
I them. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. V. SMITH, not having been anemia?). of the commit-
! tee, and knowing nothing of the evidence produced betore it,
I appealed to the house whether they could, in the absence et
that evidonce, c •me tea • de Inca as teat note eroposed ?
The hon. gentleman who had made the motion had not
enter. d into ony reeve's for eok'ng the house to anent to it
for he knew that he could not do so without referring to
evidetce which, as not having hem reported, it would be
e ultra), to rule to elude to. Tho hon. gentleman
who s: uk. lasi, had, notwithstanding that salutary rule,
al:me...lt • the evidence, and had most properly been aided
to a der by the Sleeker for doing so. Hut the lion. member
had tot thought fit to press his motion for the product icn of
the evidence, prebsbly out of k ruiners to the noble lonl et
the head of the government, who he knew had that day
other fish to fry. (This alitaien to the ministerial wi.it,
bait dinner occusioned much lauehter.) If they tad that
evidence there might probably be in it sufficient grounds far
this resolution; but without evident of ally kind it ap-
pend to him that the house hal but one course to pursue
—that was to reject it. (Cheers.)
Mr. DISRAELI said, a motion had been made in the
committee by Mr. Hume to produce the evidence, which
was tes:sted,lgesuse it was imp rent, and in jus ice v. the
governor it wee uranimoutly resolved not to present the
evidence. The areumert that tee appointment of a com-
mission would destroy the I ultimate influence of the go•
vernor was equally au araument against the appointment 01
the select committee; the to meat that well consented to,
the just and lei/Pit:note influence of the gover•or lei.' de-
ar yid Tie queseeie wire—would the huusa imp on their
committee, weo desired to prose ate this inquiry tally in a
spirit el inspartielity
Mr VILLIERS mid, this motion would not have been
made had Mr. Hawes molested is the committee to • con,.
pronhe. His (Mr. Vellicnes) impression was not unfavour-
able :awards Lord Torrington, and was len unfavourable
then it hod been, inn • be saw the d'fficult alai delicate enua•
ti-n in wiaica be had been plumed.
Sir J. HOGG said, there were two grounds upon which
to rest such a motion—one a prima
•their ass of green mis-
conduct on the ?art M the governor ; the other, the recent-
ntendetton of the committee. In the latter case, the cam
teethe, should have been all hut unanimous, whereas the re•
commeudet:oa h ed been serried by the v.ice of the chairman
alone. Even if there were a a rove prima fiscie cue of
gross misconduct, the cease should he to recall the governor
and not appoint a roving c :emission to ferret out charnel
against Lien.
Lent HOTHAM, as the member of the committee who
heel proposed this course, just& e' his conduct in so 'Wino,
detailing with some minunness the proceeding. in the com-
mittee. which he was coavirded could net do justice withini.
more inte rmation, sal in a matter affecting so deeply the
eliarater ot the SlOVelnef of a colony and °the re en inquiry
upon the sp t was the most preferable course.
Sir J. GRAHAM was of opinion that this eiscuasion
ought to be brought to a close as speedily as was consistent
with the ends of justice—(hoar, tear); because the house
was sitting. as he thought, in a judicial capacity on the
Ammeter of • nobleman who represented the sovereign of
these realer.' in a distant colony. He seas quite sure that
there could he nothing of a piety or of a nati noel feeling
manifested with reference to the matter now under discus.
Pion ; and that the wish of every hon. member must be that
the strictest justice should be done, in a mm-
are least cenducive to prim'se any excitement. ((fear.)
Now, he knew nothing of this quecion etc -pt what he had
heard duties the eresent disenestoe ; hut, after having listeeed
to the several speeches, he ha•leereinly formed a strong epi-
rem PS to what the justice of the cast dem .nded. He
theuele the d. cisi m of the cemmittee, in the proportion of
nine to one, that the evidence should no: be printed, ought
to be quire binding en the judgment of the house.
(Weer, beer) lie also thought that it was not
possible the inquiry shooed clues, as the matter
now stood. ("Hear, hesr," and chem.) Admitting ti e..e
two frets, which appeared t him to have net the approval
of the house—(bther ht ar)—he was bound to state the in
hie cpinion the Daley-8 c:etary of State for the Ce luni a
had rot eaerciee d iu the committee a wise discretion wit. n
he rel. cud the akerontive there given him. It appeared
nee: the debate that three hon. metub. re of the
comma:" (Mr. Deiraele, Mr. Villiers, and Mr.
Hume) seem not unwilling to accede to an arrangement,
that if there e,es • pledge given en the part of the govern-
mint that the elemZitte• shoell reassemble next sesden,and
that steps Amid be .el: en ei the meantime to obtain the
necessery andiannal ler enna,:4on from the colony, the royal
sewernsine raw sternal:needed would not be jdorsed.
He was of opinioe teat to carry this ?notion for a comosiesion
le( inquiry to be sent out Li the prattle el/mem:awes would
produce one of twee emmequenes ft—either that from the =-
meet it arrived at C. yion one civil governmCnt seeder Lord
Torrington would he lino esiele, or the government at home
to avo:d that, would be drivel to the nects-icv ot recalling
Lord Torrington. He, therefore, most decline to sePPeee
the motion, and he hoped his n. friend would not press tt
if the noble lord at the bend of the government would give
his RiSSITSTI• a that at te e commencement of next session he
would con eat to the re-appointment of the committee.
They might in that case meet on M .nday, and communicate
through their c'eairenan with the Secretary of State far the
Colonies respecting the (omen and persons they should think
it neCLPIVTV to have before them when they met again.
Taking a Oispaasionste view of the CM he thought the ins-
ect of it would he fully satisfied by such a course. The
house should bear in min), to), that tide end time waited
not even for an administratien. (Cheers, and laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said that when the hon. gentleman
made his moth a i.e sated that the evidence was ineo nrlete,
and that the inquiry had not been carried to its full extent,
and that he proposed the the *We ee should he completed
acid the inquiry carried to Ito fu'l Went. That being his
opinion, he could h .ye no h Pioatinn in 'lying that the men.
no. in which it ought to be completed was by the re-appoint-
ment of the committee Lest year, and then having before
them such witnesses se could give further evidence on the
subject As an interval of time would take plies before the
committee again met, the Secretary of State would be
entitled to desire the atteedence of such persons fres Ceylon
as the committee might deem necessary and for which pur-
pose they might amenable on Monday.
Mr. HAWES brazed distinctly to state that no notice
whatever was given in the circular of the merlon in the com-
mina which elven:onel the present proceedings, and he
did not expect it would have been made. He had pressed
tee rehle lord opposite to give the committee an opportu-
nity of consulting the S:cretary ref State, but that request
was reused. (Hier, hear.)
?dr. UAILLIE then consented to withdraw his motion.
Ater a few words from Mr. Hume,
Lord J. RUSSELL Ilia that there would be no difficulty
in summoning the requisite yeomen from Ceylon, and they
said. ex epting some physical difficulty which was barely
reeeele, they could he in attendance next session. At the
same time as this motion had been made, he could not con-
s:nt to its withdrawal, and must meet it by a negative.
Mr LAW trusted the noble lord would consent to its with•
drawal.
P:r J. GRAHAM hoped so too. If the noble lord divided
he would vote with him, but as all the oubwantial ends of
justice would be attained by allowing the motion to be with-
drawn he eatneetle entreated the noble lord to do so.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not corsent to do so, as
the honour and character of Lord Torrington were involved
in the motion. (Bear, hear )
Mr. ROEBUCK was in favour of the withdrawal of the
motion, but if put to the vote be would vote against the noble
lord.
Major BLACKALL thanked the molds lord for pressing
to a division, particularly as the decision of the committee
was but by a majority of one only.
After a flew words from Mr. NEWDEOATE,
Do CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that