The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-23 00:00:00

Thee* whe opposed this b.ll had a right to give some tan•
gib'e and valid reason why they would not extend the same
indulgence to.individuals which they extended to members of
sects. If the opinions of men went in 11 eels like sheep, if
they enterte int d scruples on account of hereditary pre Judea',
they were willing to admit them to these privileges, but when
scruples were entertained by individuals which resulted from
independent inquiry and conviction they withheld the in-
dulgences.
Lord ABINGER said that the admission of the ptinciple
contained in tha bill would materially impair the a:minis-
tration of justice in this country. It may ba said that be-
te:use the 1-gislature hat admitted certain persons to certain
indulgences, that the same ought to he extended to every-
body. He believed otherwise, snd thought that they were
placed in some ddll:ulty by hieing once committed a great
error. lie would therefore give the bill his opposition.
The Earl of WICKLOW said that he was desirous of
making up a deficiew y caused by the noble lord who fol-
lowed the noble and learned lord who proposed the second
reading of this bill, and who, though he opposed it, did not
make any amendmeat. Now he (the Earl ot Wicklow) begged
leave to move as an amendm int that the bill he read a second
time that day three months. He considered that this was
a violent change, which was not rendered necessary.
This bill would point out obstacles to the execu-
lien of the law which did not now exist. The
noble lord then produced the evidence of J.ihn
Clarke, a clerk at the Old Bailey,to show that during his ex
perience many preens had refused to be sworn, on accent
of their religious a rupli s, but that these scruples vanished
when they were spoken to by the judge; and that great in-
convenience would arise hens such a measure as the., because
lathy persons would not hesitate to mane an affirmation who
would object to take an oath. The question was,
would tat it lordships alter the law of the
land, and run the danger of giving people the op-
poi tueity of ev-ding oaths, tor the very few trilling cases that
were brought forward by the noble and learned lord. He
' feared that the neble and learned lord had founded his opi-
' nion on his own experience merely, and had not calcul ited
I on the evils which would arise from this bill in the inferior
cour;s. The noble earl concluded by moving thzt the bill
be read a seconl time that day three months.
Lord DENMAN, in reply, said that the noble earl had
supplied a deficiency which the noble lord who folleired
him (Lord Denman) never intended should be supplied.
The noble earl had intimated that there were tea cases in
which persons suffered grievances tinder the present state of
the law, but Xs had to inform him that 90,000 persons had
petitioned in favour of this bill. He train his own experience
considered that there was no reason t t apprehend that any
inconvenience would arise in the courts of law
tram it. A great number of those who voted for the bill
is the House of Cameleer', were in the habit of attending
the courts at Westminster.
A. NOBLE Loup here asked whether he had the opinion
of the judges on it.
Lord DENMAN said that he bad not. Tt. e judges
were not the persons to decide on this question ; it was a
question solely for the legislature.
Their lordship then divided—
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Majority for the amendment.
The hill was consequently thrown out, and their lord.
ships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAT, JUNE 2'2,
The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND READINGS. Gordon's (Cairness) Estate
Bill.
REPORTS CONSIDERED.—Eastern Counties and Nor-
folk Rsdways Amalgamation ; Manchester, Sheffield, rod
Liscolnahire Railway (conschdation and amsuoment of acts)
Bills.
THIRD READlNG.—Lancaster and Presson Junction
Railway Acts Amendment (powers to alter tolls aad for
appointment of • fficers) hill.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED:—BaIin•
bor,ei and Glasg .w Railway and &thaw-A and Glasgow
Unto., Canal (amalgamation, or sale or le as ea the Union
Can dto the rldiway company); inesor Extension of the
Wiessr, Staines, and Stuth Nlerest•rn (Richmond to Wind-
sor) Railway (witn (r.ovEr to the London and South Wooers
Rail may Company to subscribe) ; York and Norsh
Railway (deviation and abandonment of past o. the authc-
riaed lines of raileay b .tween market Weighton and Bever-
ley, and Copmauthorps and Tads after) Bills.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
ATTORNEYS' CERTIPICATE DUTY.—DJ Mr. W. PAT-
TEN, fr..ra the atiorevys of Ule.tra .n, Lancashire; Mr.
HOSHOUSE from the att.-else) of Lincoln ; Sir J.
TROLLOPE, from Spalding ; and Mr. SOTHEUON ;
against the certificate duty.
SuPERANNUATION ALLOWANCES.— By Mr. GLYN,
from poor-law Akira of Kendal, for superannuation allow-
ances.
AGUICULTUItAL DISTREAS.—By S:r J. TROLLOPE,
from a place in Lineoin, coinplaking of agricultural distress.
DEER nOtsEB.—Dy Co'. THOMPSON, from Woolwich,
for the abolition of licenses to beer-houses.
SUNDAY TRADING.—By Mr. P. WOOD, from \Vestmios-
ter, &stains: Sunday trading.
Pao me rive Durits.—By Mr. WALPOLE, from a body
of farmers, pray ing for the te,toration of protective duties.
COUNTY COURTA.— By Mr. MITC DELL, from Bridport,
for an cntensi.sti of the jurisdiction of C as..sy Courts.
Patsace Count. —By Lod D. STUART, frcut John
Biosn, a pr:s.n.cr in Wbi!ecross-strict Prison, for contempt
of the Prrac . Court. cGmliaining of the conduct of the offi-
cers of the court, and praying for inquiry-
Fonelow ItsPutimes.—By Lira D. STUART, from the
chairman of a me. find in Msrylebon., praying for the re-
eog•ation of the Roman ani other republics.
DUTY ON PAPER, 6:1.—8y Mr. HUbstE, from a litcrity
losatuacm, for n repeal of 'ha duties on paper, book', ad-
veriisemeats, &c.
SECEDING CLERGYMEN.—Mr. W. COWPER, from four
congregations in St. Albaa's, for pro:cctiou to leteiiag
clergymen.
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wouiciiousg DRESS.
In answer to a qui:Alan from Mr. VLIMIPTIM,
Mr. BAINES stated that from the paroia.: of the poor law
in 1831, et. had been a rule that the workhouse drew should
he ito.opted in the workhet,es ; and he holi-ved that before
that tole it had been used in all well rental red workhouses.
THE LATE EVICTIONS.
Col DUNNE 'waited the questim he had put on the
former ev, ning.
Sir W. SO'tIEItVILLE said he was not able to state
p ssitively that in all cases the requirements of tke law had
been complied with.
THE TRANSPORTATION FOR TREASON BILL.
In anew r to Mr. E. B. Rocas,
Sir G. GREY declined to pledge himself not to bring on
the Tron.pertation for Treason Bill a•ter nine o'c!ock.
COMMUNICATION wail THE POPE.
Mr. ANSTEY relied if there would be any objection to ,
lay on the tat I • of the house a copy o• the letter which had •
been &demised by her Majesty to the Pope ?
Viscount PALMERSTON said a letter had been received
from the Pope, an :enticing that he had been obliged to re-
tire from his states, and soliciting genteelly the goodwill
and offiess of the respective courts. The answer was one
suck as is usu fly retorn ni to a letter of that kind, expressing
regret at the events which hat occurred, and the great Will-
taco i in it would off ird to tier Majesty It find that the subjects
of difference hod been removed. It was not usual to lay
wer.• formal h eters r.f that kn 4 betas the house. The
house was already in possession of the correspondence of the
goveromene.
Mr. ANSTEY asked if the letter was not one far which
ministers were responsible
Viatonot PALMERSTON was understood to reply in the
affirmative ?
NEGOTIATIONS ON THE RIO DE LA PLATA.
Mr. SMYTHE asked for information as to the proposals
which Mr. Sotheron had transmitted home by the last mat,
and whether any communication had been since made to the
French government.
Viscount PALMERSTON said it was very natural that
patine mcirned in thew transactions should feel a great desire
to know what was the precise state of the liegOtia,iollB,
sad what communicotOons bad pseud ; but in the precarious
ration of the question, it would not be consists t with his
duty, either verbally or by the Imo sentation of pain est to go
into the present State or the negotiation-. It was obvious to
everybody that -nett communications tended to impede, not
to assist the conclusion of such matters. He had no dila
culty in saying that the government was in communication
with the government of France on these groin; the latter
governm- ut having only. been recently formed, and having
been occupied with very important matters since its forma-
tion, won d account for these negotiations being still incom-
plete. Tnough he should be sorry to say anything which I
might induce merchants to entertain expectation', which in
the result would not be realised, he might sty that the pre-
sent state of the communication between the Argentine
government and the governments of England and France
was such as to lead to the expectation that these negotiations
might end in a satisfactory manner. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. SMYTHE asked ir, in the event of the negotiations
coming to a successful issue, due provision would he mule for
guaranteeing the independence ot Monte Video and giving
protection to the lives and r roperty of the inhabitants?
Viscount PAL%IERSTON said that all the parties to the
negotiation bad accepted as a belie the independence of the
republic; and the government there was distinctly pledged
to the representatives of this country and France, that sem
city P.houid be afforded to the persons and property of
foreigners as well as natives.
LIV;NO OF BISHOP WEARMOUTIL
Mr. TiortsmAN said, no he had no wish to keep the
house it im the finance al statement of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, he would pos•toone the motion of which he had
given notice reepocing leeslation on ecclesiastical affairs.
(Hear, hear.) But he wished !so ask n question on a matter
of pressing and immediate im:sortance,
uttedas affecting
thean
order in council about to be gl. At
commencement of the session, ho had presented
petitions front 60,000 inhabitants of Sunderland and the
adjoining parish, rev- cling an arrangement which had
been made by the Bishop of Durham. The nettle lord at
the head of the government communicated to the bishop
what appeared to oe the unanimous opinion of the house,
and afterwards stated that it had always been the right rev.
prelate's intention to obtain an act of parliament for MT,-
leg oat his arrangement. Atterwsrds could intimated ahee
the bishop thought the arrangement be ntEbiently