The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-08 00:00:00

JAMAICA.

THE WRECK OF THE FORTH.

The following is an extract from a private letter re-
ceived at Southampt .n ye rday via America, from
Gm achy, dated Jan. 19:
" 1 suppose you have heard b: fore this reaches you
that our gallant old Forth hes gone down. Thank
God I ant likely to see you again safely. She struck
on the south-ess: side of the Alacranes on the 14th of
January. There were 126 persons on board at the
time. When she struck, the heavy surf was breaking
ea violently over the reef, that we all expected to go
to the bottom. The masts were soon gene, and the
Forth began rapidly to break up. A couple of our
boats were swamped as soon as lowered; the others
were immediately crowded with psesengers, who wete
all huddled together under the lee side of the wreck.
Just •s we were about to make an effort
to get through the breakers into smooth water,
a sail was seen near the island of Perez,
'lhe rejoicing amongst as was very great, I can as-
sure you, at this welcome sight. Lieut. Molesworth,
a gallant fellow, who was one of oar passengers, end
who was on lie voyage to join his ship, the Wellesley,
volunteered wi'h four men to go over the dangerous
reef and communicate with the vessel that was seen.
This ho accomplished, after encoun'ering great diffi-
culties, in first-rate style.
"The sail proved to be a small schooner. She
came se close es she could to us, and as many aepos-
sible got on board of her,end ►he then started for Perez.
The eta wee making a clean breach over the wreck
at this time. We left it about 1 o'clock in the day.
Everything that we could save we did ; but all was
' nearly spoiled in consequence of being so thoroughly
soaked in salt water. We had a tremendous and

dangerous pull of ekVOll miles to reach the island.
Thank heaven we all reached safely.
" When we arrived, which was not till evening, we
found we had very little water and Fovisioas for so
many Robinson Crimes, so we set to work, and after
patching op our boats we began pulling tt) and fro
from the island to the wreck fur the next two days,
picking up what provisions and water we could get
at. Fortunately we met with a brigantine at Perez,
and on the 17th, in the morning, we left that island
for this place. We did not arrive here until the
I afternoon of the 18th. A vessel is about b lag
chartered, I believe, to convey the mails and crew
and passengers to Vera Cruz., and I taunt to-morrow
that I shall leave this villanous place."

The journals from this colony, which, owing to the
loss of the Forth, did not reach us by the Severn, have
at last cane to hand. The Forth left Kingston for
Havana and the Gulf on the 7th of January. The
Clyde, Kingston with the mails for England at
3 p.m. on the 23rd, to meet the Forth on her return
from the Gulf at Havannah. That vessel not arriving,
and her loss on the Alacranes having been ascertained,
the English mail was forwarded to New York,whence
it was brought to Liverpool in the Niagara. An ac-
count of the loss of the Forth will be found in another
part of this day's impression.
The Jamaica legislature had not re-assembled at
the time the mail was made up, and all political
affairs remained, of course, in atolls quo.
In the course of January Port-Royal bad been
enlivened by the visits of three American steamers in
the course of one week. One of these was the Oros,
destined to run on the Charm river another, the
Isthmus, intended, in connexion with the Falcon, to
run between New Orleans, Havana. and Chagres ;
the third was the Crescent City, oa Its return from
Chsgres, whither she had carried 150 Californian
emigrants from New York. The communication
between New York and Chagres (en route to Cali-
fornia) is to bo kept up by three powerful steamers—
the California, the Oregon, and the Panama; and these
are to touch either at Havanah or Jamaica.

[Far =nob see hot page.]

CEYLON.

Extract from a letter from Colombo, dated Jan.
4, 1849.
There is hardly a man in Ceylon who has not been per-
fectly disgusted with Boni Grey's insolent letter and snap-
pish reply to the very proper, sensible, true, and well-worded
memorial of the mercantile body at Colombo ; and Sir J. B.
Torment still persists (see his speech) in telling the council
about the people's liking the ordinances, &c. Instead of
such special pleading, why did he not mention that he Wil
publiely hooted both at Gallo and Butticaloa about these
new taxes se soon as he began his very awkward
attempt to explain them? Why did he not, atter that, try
to explain them at Trincomalee, whither he went for the'
ostensible purpose, bet dared not open his mouth on the
subject, nor venture to go to Jaffna at all ? The fact it, he
did encounter a most vigorous opposition in council, and
no one opposed him with pester effect then the Queen's ad-'
vacate. We think it will puzzle Earl Grey and Mr. Hawes
to get up anything short of a very lame story to meet parlia-
ment with. They will probably try to carry things with a high
hand ; bet take my word it, the more Lord Torrington and
Sir J. B. Tonnent's acts are known In England, the more
ice penal's will be found the necessity to remove them both
from Ceylon. They have committed the grossest blenders
is their aboard attenapterer rather experiments, in taxati in
and I ;and they have bad to withdraw, sucesesively
bat q , the iniquitous shop tax, the dog tex, and the
gun test inf the latter into a mere registration. Of
course Ms sort o work unrettlee the minds of the people,
and samerrages them, moreover, in the very dangerous idea
that they have only to rebel to gain their point. And, as to
Berl Grey's Mulish about Sir Herbert Maddock, I am sure
he knew very little about Ceylon.

SIR ANTHONY AND LADY ROTHSCHILD had a
errand dinner last evening, when Viscount and Viscountess
Palmerston and a circle of 20 guests were present.

ioreopplz"
all the duties remitted ; and he asked them trli;atbe,
had not more to fear from tt e remission of the malt dusty
et
its f x?ortation, by which fore- ep.ers had ea oppartue* it;
lending their animals cn English malt duty free, 'haun
any competition in tho production of malt or malt hquore
of
toliale argued,
l experience
any kind ? (Cheers) Another objec• ion which had beet
raised to their :proceedings was, that if they sussed/14 et
obtaining the repeal of the malt and hop duties it send only
thlowate,rthathte
the
erioaLeortif
ob:ewrasido.oanputy
remission of taxes, for it was invariably found that whe-
eee
taxation was reduced the price of the article tell to a mak
extent than the mere sum taken off from the taxatiefe, It
proof of this he would quote from a pamphlet written b,
Mr. J. Hyde, a gentleman e ell acquainted with the open.'
Lion of the taxes in this country. Mr. Hyde said :
These raise taxes, as well as others on raw materials, haw es.
thee Injurious effect—that of operating in all cases to enbeese tM
prim by a large consequent per mange on increased capitilempleyy
by the manufacturer and vendor, sa the following statemeit ass
Ave duty on salt was 30s. per cwt.; the price thee in
KHertford, snd other places, aitusted with reference to t
of transit, was 40s. When the duty was abolished, dis phi
did not equal the residue, viz., Ws., but was reduced as kw as UR,
Wile the tax on playing club wu Is. Per Pan. the prior of the sus
Moguls wee Is., but when half the tax was repealed, the price did set
continue in the same ratio, ea., but was reduced to 2s. SA Wheelie
tax on aletanaeks was le, Old Mars's were sold at 2e. 24.; the
waste repealed, and the price instead of being the residue, 4.24 - .oej
to ooly.
And that was the mode in which the remission of tame
always acted by setting industry free. (Cheers.) He at,
came ti coneider what were the best means of preeting
ge
object which that association had in view—the tot leveller
the malt tax. With very great regret, he was obliged tort.
membir that in the year 1829 re meeting was held witbia tics
very walls where they were now assembled for precisely the
same purpose which had called them tosober upon this oe.
canon. The Morning Chronicle of that period containe4
report of the meeting. " The proc• edings conclude.' with
seven resolutions, very sensible, and very well adapted foe
the purpose. All the speakers appear to have been gentle.
men fr no the country; and we are to leek upon the speeches
here given, as a mere sketch. The meeting was V,
respectably, but not numerously attended. Mr. Cartels, see
of the member for Sussex, look the Chair:"
Mr. Ellis, Mr. Foster, Mr. Quieter, Mr. Fife, ble Healy,ea
others addressed the meeting, and on the motion of the gar.
Dr. Lamb, an amendment was unanimously agreed to, rule.
irg to petition for the abolition of the duties upon bear
well as malt. He would not read the revolutions, bit he
might state that they were expressive of the unjust, dew.
rslising, and injurious effects of the malt tax upon the
bouring classes and upon consumers generally. The opines
of the meeting expressed by Mr. Black, who was at that tine
the editor of the Morning Chronicle, was as follows :
The country gentlemen of England have Frady neglected the
duty hitherto, for they have cheered on the tis sli getmad schemes which have entailed such luevy="o eft k
better late than never. We hail this attempt at a dos.
and hope that the meeting of Slackfriare will be
meetings throughout all parks of the country. Trpsky gem
only thevirtue to make a stand, the administration mart yid&
That was what took place in 1829, and he repeated, h la
with req t he saw that they should be compelled mut,
years afterwards to meet in the same place, (or them
object, and passing resolutions of the same eurport,ara
showed that the professions of the country gentry 'wig
acted up to, that the interests of the farmers were ea
needed, and that the social comforts of the labcuren dilact
meet with that consideration to which they were jael,
titled. (Loud cheers.) lie now begged briefly to mak
attention to another meeting of Inure imrortance, Inge
was held on the preceding day, at Willis's rooms. lb
had looked very carefully through the etiolating which
were agreed to at that meeting, and he must say that esse
of them were very sensible and practical resolutions. The
moved by Mr. Cheetham, for instance, wee one. Thiessen
strong allusions made at that meeting to the dietrs,e sal
pressure upon the capital and industry of the lamer. gi
agreed in all that; but he observed one omirsion—he bag
no allusion to the subject of rents. (Cheers.) The nays
was not, perhaps, a very pleasant one to introduce dads
meeting, but the farmers should not lore sight of it. Ape
sions were made to a revision of the general sod local ter
tion, but there did not appear to have been any gauge It
the redaction of the national expenditure, without nag,
and past experiencejustified the remark, they could set hap
by any possibility to gain their end. (Loud cheers.) Nfia
did they mean by revising the general and local tuna!
Did they mean that real property should pay tome*
more than it did ? If that were their intention, he gaol
opinion that it was just and equitable; bat se
thing of the sort had been stated at the probe
tienist meeting. If the gentlemen who constituted the
meeting thought that property did not pay its chars of the
taxation of the country, and that industry paid more than in
fair proportion, then it was their bounden duty to hmststei
their views explicitly. (Hear, hear) Those who read the
signs of the times could see clearly that the present pure
meet were not likely to propose an increase is the custom
duties, because they would have no chance of carrying such
measure. (Hear, bear.) It was well known that the oar
mercial and trading classes were demanding the repeal of al
indirect tuition, and if that demand were just, it was
incompatible with the repeal of customs duties.
Mr. FIFE roe* to order. The hen. gentleman was at
talking to the subject of the malt tax. The gentlemen who
met yesterday were favourable to their views. (Hear,hee.)
He (Mr. Fife) was press rat at their meeting, and he ad
state that 'Fusions were made very explicitly to the rese
tion and equalisation of taxation. (Hear, bear.)
THE TOTAL REPEAL MALT TAX Mr. LATTIMORE continued.—He was speaking of the
ASSOCIATION. best means of obtaining the object which they' ll ben
Yesterday morning a general meeting of the view. His desire was to be honest and sincere with then
They had been agitating this question for the last 40 yese,
members of this aaeociatisn, and of persons inimical to the
and he now told them plainly that. rather than content his
malt and hop duties generally, was held at the committee
room. of the association, York Hotel, Bridgestreet, Black- self with simply petitioning parliament, he would satin
.orest meeting by Mr. Bee
friars, with the view of determining upon the steps necessary
from the association altogether.
to be adopted to secure the repeal of those duties. Amongst one remark made at therotecti (L .sad cheers.) T
nett, which deserved to be attended to. Mr. Bennett
the gentlemen present we observed W. Shaw, Esq., editor
woulddin that it be necessary to obverse, in . the ensuing •
ad
of the "Farmer's Magazine," in the chair ; C. 11. Frewen,
'cons in the House of Commons, whether their c linty mete
Esq., M.P. j W. Sheariog, chairman of the Andover Pro- M
hear.) In bier ben "walked straight." (Hest, that o non
Waren Society ;J. Cohen, chairman of the West Norfolk re
Protection Society; 0. Smith, of the Alresibrd Protection
he needy agreed. Now, Lo was going to aid further that
Society ; E. W. Powell, of the Bridgenorth Protection So-the
nothing had been said at that meeting relative to
reaching motion of which Mr. Disraeli pad given nthe,
eiety jB. Cheetham, of the Rutland Protection Society; W. P of whichgreat hopes were entertained b y some
Hunan, chairman of the Basiogatoke Protection Societ and . w.
jj' though none by him. It was earner singular that no node
W. Middleton, of the Oxfordshire Protection Society ;
Belmes, J. Smith W. P. Lamb, Tilden Smith, J. Mortimer, had been taken ofmotion that because en amendment
lad
be moved by Mr. Hun
from Sussex/ J. iionghtoe,_ C. Pocock, W. Edmonds, from also been placed upon the paper, to
which was in these words, to leave out all the words of 1k
Bakelite; E. Streets, J. Hilder, W. Cock, from Kent; C.
resolutionafter the word "that," in order to cubstitate th
H. Lattimore, from Hertfordshire ; R. Boman, from (lieu.
cestenhire ; C. Dorey, from Devorshire following: ; T. Fyfe, from That if the local taxation of the pantry falls unequally ea ru
Greenwich ; J. Crowdy, from Wiltshire; J. Flowerdew, property, or tears with undue severity upon the occupiers of in
from Suffolk ; de. of which there is no proof before this house), such inequalities on
The CHAIRMAN commenced by stating that he could undue pressure ought to be removed ; but with the new of On
have wished they had made another *election in the choice speedy relief to the agrittueltirtail ancc,l
the
national
ocrediftotrbeLcoa4
of the person to preside over them upon the present occa-
withodieure,nnowtereemive, ought to be forthwith reduced, es so
Sion,not only on account of the importance of the question toette: parliament repeal the "tie. malt sad bow./
Wbe discussed, but also because he felt that hie anxiety to to remove, as soon as practicable, other taxes which impede the fee
promote the object they had in view had induced him to resew agricultural and commercial industry.
overcome some scruples which he entertained upon other He thought that that was going to the point; and be
points connected with the course that was pursued at their would advise the agriculturists to observe the conduct of
last meeting. Ho felt 'trendy upon the point he then their county members, to see who did " walk Weight"
raised, and the resolution which was passed in consequence Let it be remarked distinctly whether they supported the
was modified to meet his view. He certainly always had amendment; because if they did not he should take Its
been of opinion that the more they confined themselves to liberty of telling them that whatever they might say she
the object for which they were established, viz., the total where, they did not desire in their hearts to see thereat.
repeal of the malt tax, the better. (Cheers.) That was the tax repealed. (Loud cheers.)
opinion he had always entertained: nevertheless, when he Mr. HOUGHTON (Berkshire) agreed that it w °old le
found the difficulties of the tenant farmers at this moment desirable to confine themselves as much as possible to de
to be such that they were obliged to avail themselves ofevery real question before them. (Hear, hear.) It had been
mans to extricate themselves from the lamentable position in stated over and over again, that the government could net
which they were placed, he felt disposed to go as far as he spare so large a portion of revenue as the malt tax 'floral.
could in lending any little aid in his power to promote the I: should be remembered, however, that the govemnat
object they had in view. (Cheers.) He had only one oh- told them last year that they must have an ionised
nervation to make, and he offered it in the kindest and best property tax • but when they saw that the universal Tie
feeling. It was to express a hope that every gentleman who of the country was against them, they male a shift le
should address the meeting would confine himself as much do without it. Bo it would be in this cue. If they mat
as possible to the subject matter under consideration. He only squeeze the government a little—if they would rod
felt perfectly satisfied that though strength of argument was of against ahem as one man, and would mark whether or Ni
great importance, strength of words frequently weakened their representatives walked straight, he Lad no fear lei
arguments. (Hear, hear.) He united therefore, that the government would devise some plan by which they unit
enthusiasm of the moment would not allow gentlemen to be carry on the affairs of the state even without the malt *
carried away; but that they would eminent themselves with (Cheers.) He contended that it was as necessary for the
putting their points and argument. u forcibly as they could, agricultural labourer, and for all men who earned ths°
endeavouring to avoid anything like what he should all living by the sweat of their brow, to have a good berme
" imputations," even neon public characters. (Cheers.) It to drink as a good loaf to eat. He saked was there ad
was unnecessary foe him to occupy their time by dilating other tax to equal the hop tax in oppression—there usro
upon the importances of the subject on which they had met. duty of 18.. Bd. per cwt , when the price at this moment 5.88
Happily for them it wet now becoming one of daily conside- not more than 40a. If that were to, and lie knew that
ration. It gathered strength day by day—the people ere stated facts, he said that they allowed themselves to be
ed
becoming more and more convinced of the necessity and with a emigres's*. (Cheers.) Holding as he dad
tail
justice of removing the malt and hop taxes; and he the not very enviable situation of being the largest
would suggest that the object of the meeting should in England. and being in consequence the most oppd to
he rather to determine what course should be untended that they had a right to come forward, an, ,`,.
adopted_ in order to ensure that end, than to reiterate oft mud from the government a remission of those toes wil?!1
told arguments to convince them of an injustice of which oppressed them so heavily, more espesially when dm!!!
they were all aware. (Hear.) With these introductory re- been told over and over again, by every man of public a'
marks he should eel upon Mr. Locke, of Norfolk, to propose ratter, of whatever politics, that when they gave 51,
the first resolution. protection on corn the malt tax from that day nal
Mr. LOCKE said the resolution which he bad to propose, (Cheers.) After corroborating Mr. Locke's Tian with
and which had only been placed in his hands within the last gird to the quantity of land now lying waste, which la
five minutes, war in the following terms: wont cel to
That r calculated for the growth of barley, the speaker.
the repeal of the malt and bop Make is now acknowledged say that he would hold out the right hand of fella**.
by ell agrieultursl bodies to to of the greetast importance to their ln. or to sal
those entlemen who met on thereceding
tenets is wee sato the interests Mother chimes, and his consequeatly would
t 'cod itself upon the sttention Mitts legislature, this meeting leads
whatever who go with him
"wenn renewed efforts and redoubled Menem to effect en entire questions believing, as he did, thatthis counts/ lwa
removal of the matobnoxious taus again and again shaken to its foundations by what ne"71sN
7.
Mr. 3. SMITH (Sussex) seconded the motion. call that " demon " party spirit. (Cheers.) Mr. 'sewn;
The resolution was then put and carried unanimously. had told them that 20 years had expired since this (Win
Mr. LATTIMORE (Herefordshire) roes to propose the wee first mooted within these walls. He new si
next resolution: them as electors whether they bad not niece that pert'
That while Ms meeting doss not consider it incumbent on them to repeatedly had in their hands the very men of whose
deem"
Pc4nt Oat e° the Var. as mtans bY whlth thew' lama duct they now complained, and still whether they had
shall he repands die record their convietion that a revi- represent tbell
sin, gag as kg ae oloossiobio. s redactsn of the, Beal and general as repeated'', returned those very men to
taxation, will maredelly ggehltete the repeal of the malt said hop (Cheers.) Much, then, as he regretted it, he said ,
dull., sad asolatialte the welbee salculturista and of the themselves stood convicted, because they had not had
country at manliness to stand Up in their respective cotiostor:
He was frbd to w, though not a very crowded attendance, board the lion in his den," saying, `, as you forgotanaM
at any rats a good many fresh faces present, proving that gook us, so do we now forget and forsake you." They o 5
their association was not only an independent owe, but that to have demanded of their candidates that, let who would
o:
they was determined upon earning out their views. minister, they should support a proposition to tet,..:.
(Chian.) He observed that an objection had been raised at malt tax, to cut down expenditure, and to give to the I ssal
a muting in Lynn to their seeking, as farmers. the repeal of log and industrial classes of this country that which
the malt tax on the round that they were laying themselves had a sight to expect, let it emanate from whams:at.,
open to Another evil in the importation of malt or malt might. (Cheery.) If they wore in earnest about this meta'
liquors. He did not think that the practical and intelligent as he assumed them to be, he defied Lord John Hulled
.;;^.
farmers of this country would be imposed upon by that oh- to remain in his present punkin unless he paid scone
nervation. Still it was nec• °eery to meet it, and to show its lion to their representations. He had known greaterTT,
fallacy. (Hear, ,hear.) Now he thought it might be tions than this carried in a shorter period thin 20 yea
fairly laid down that if England excelled the and he was convinced that if they would only draw_P°M
•
world in any branch of agriculture, except in the attention to this grievance they might rest satofied that'
raising of stock, in which she was indisputably minister would soon feel compelled to listen to tastr_w_Zi
upenor, it was in the manufacture of malt and malt liquors. plaints. But representing as they did the mosa.e
(Hear, hear.) In his travels throughout the Netherlands, body in this country, it unfortunately happened thatn.:
in Primia, Germany, and elsewhere, he never could find they should stand forward as one man, they weer
sl
era
that the knowledge of making malt ad at all obtained in found to be disunited. (Hear, hear.) Now with ref.' es
those countries,. And the best proof he could give them protection, he must sathat he had always lookelltspere.s_
that they had nothing to fear from foreigners in this respect a bugbear, as • mere means of throwing dust in
sliai,M
was that in Holland and Prussia, an other parts of the (Cheers.) If they spoke to the landed proprietors Ofita
Continent, they imported great' quantities of our malt burdens which oppressed the farmers, they always
liquors, each as Dublin and London stout and Scotch ale. " Hold your tongue ; bold your tongue—we'll (gr.
Then, on the other hand, he must remind them that at the care of you—we give you protection." But he
present time our malt and malt liquor* upon exportation had Houghton) always dottbted the premises.

•

The CILAIRSIAN here hammed, and requested that
ibis quaker, wriikt "ot enter upon the subject of preactiow.
Mr. UM; CALTON would not ague touch upon the Bah.
jam II( muse remind the meeting, however, that bat a
um short time would slaps* before they would have an °p-
reciosity ot watt Meg the conduct of tom gentlemen who
motended to be their representatives, whether they were us
moot L t them Assam into which lobby they wont ; end
aspeed:ng an they said " aye " or " no " upon the question
Is a few hours to be 'obviated to them, let the tenant
&mere of England say " aye " or " so " to them at their
sae appesraum upon the hustings. (Cheers.) He wan sorry
as have det.ined the =setae so less • but he Pelt that
had been pleading his owe cause, 'that be had been
abiding their cause, and above all that he tad been pleading
be cause ot the lieslish 'abutter. (Cheers.) With them
eboorvatioos he begged to second the resolution.
The yanti was then put, and the resolution was agreed
Musaaimoaily.
gt. a SMITH (Kamp his.) proposed the third neoln-
gum a pad" to be signed by tbe Admen of thissesethrgen
bruit et the seeselsokm be et ease pee oil and preeblut kepi, '
sonweles on Swooning of in,. lOwesll Me wetiesastd
fuller that ate serletim towseesd
and Y eamested to prepare me in@ward diem, dam in
woodenes sr to Om* seventespewestaltem
lie bad always bees a Orem elmeeleCragLe repeal of
lbe malt tax. for it was a ten veLiele be bed long esaaaded as
edsezions, cruel, and 'squat—obnoxious is the eras of its

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saleeriaa. crud to tie poet toiling sstn, 4;1 u 1 just upon
Ile fawn artil the ccennuer when there was a free trade is
6.4Lelt_eort. They bad now to consider the beet plan of
the repeal of that tea ; and he knew of no plat
beitS=ar tut Met of prepsring petitions in every parish to be
=BPI to par:iansent either through the assoeistion or
rays. sure 11111Mbers. lie was worry to say that in his
sleety the npreststatives were vtry lukewarm in their
. . .

Kr. HILDER (Kent) seconded the resolution, which
was then put to the meain4._ and carried unanimously.
lb. JEREMIAH SMITH proposed that the petition to
he speed to by the strodation should be entrusted to Mr.
Ihowto for ir emategien W the Bowe of Commons. and that
tea thanks Were doe to that genlitelia he
his uniform advocacy of the repeal et the malt ditties.
(Cheers )
The preptoOion was carried with aselemation.
Mr. FERMIN, M.P. for Beet Busses, then Welly ad-
dressed the nt-soing. After thimble; them for the eowspli-
Meat they had paid him, sad expressing his readiness to
pretest it petition, he went on to say that he bad liaised
esn!ully to every word which had fallen from Mr. Cobdea
spa his modem foe reducing the public stapenditers, sad
that there was ealy a way small rallies of that hoe. gantle-
t ma's speech hem which he dissented. He would not say
*at the sp. sob was &IST. ther in accordance with what Mr.
otblaa might have delivered elsewhere. Of teethe he (Mr.
inane) make only of that speech mad* is Ike Howe of
Commons. The pieties of the speech with regard to which
Its differed from Mr. Cobden was where ha said, " If any
glestlestes looks upon free trade es a great experiment
Merely, let hi cgo into the lie lobby to me-.4f any m-
amma eancdees that protection will ever be restored, let hies
wee sided my mottos." Now he (Mr. Traria) certainly
wits • protectionist. He looked upon free trade as an expo.
*neat, sad be entertained no doubt but protection would be
mewed. (A laugh) Still. protection or no protection, his
eserther a shoed always be directed in oppesitien to the malt
tan. (Cheery.) He was not prepared to say whether the
engenditure should be reduced to the extent proposed by
Mr. Ceiba ; but sere lily he was prepare i to say that ft
Meld sad e aid ben dined is a very great extent. If they
Wed at the expenditure between the ran 1830 end 1840,
they would ti end that taking the avenge et them tea years ft
woe about 8,000,0001. a year less than it had been on the *Te-
mp uses the year 1813—ind really Whig at the question
'shay he did not we any sufficient raison why that
peat expenditure wag to bo borne. They should beer a
salad also that if the expenditure were to be Mused, sot
10,000,0001., as proposed by Mr. Cobden, but 8,000,0001.
only, that would leave plenty of scope for the removal of
the malt duty. (Cheers.) It wag quite dear to him that it
was neeessery fur the government to adopt one of two
sours.. If they wanted- a large revenue, It would be abso-
lutely neeress3ry to keep up highs prices by the artificial
means of increasing the decals medium ;or they moot
adept the donative, and having eeided upon contract*
the circulating medium, and taking off the duty upon foreign
Importations they mut cut down the expenditure. (Cheers.)
They could not have a large revenue and low prices—it was
mealy oat of the question. Another reason why he voted for
Mr. Cobden wee this: when a question affecting vital princi-
ples came before the House of Commons, he always voted in
solordeam with his own opinions ; bet when the question
was one of expediency, as he considered that of Mr. Cubden's
to have bra. he believed it to be his paramount duty to at.
tend to the wishes of his constituents. (Cheers )
And he was happy to say that the vote which be had re-
seeded upon that occasion had given greet satisfaction to
men of all parties in the county which he had the hunter to
represent (Cheers.) There was only one other point with
regard to which he wished to make an observation. Mr.
Lattimore hod spoken of an amendment about to be moved
by Mr. Hume to Mr. Dina li's motion. Now, he was sorry
that Mr. Hume was going to move that amendment, at least
be bad much rather that the hor. gentleman should move
it some time hence as a distinct and separate motion,
beam, m It was, it would have the effect of diminbhing
the amber* in the division which would take plane
upon Mr. Diersell's proposition. (Hear, hear.) They
dtheld, to a certain extent, always bear in mind what those
parliamentary tadice;were. He must also say, that, though
he was in meow of reducing the expenditure, and though
ft bed been thrown out by Mr. Cobden and Mr. Bright and
Mr. Hume that if the government would reduce the expen-
diture they might take off the melt duty, he was not aware
that those cattlemen had over pledged themselves to do so.
(A thief "Oh yes, Mr. Cobden hes," cite.) Such might be
the case, but he was not aware of it, and he should like to
have a distinct pledge from those gentlemen upon the sub-
Mr. LATTIMORE.—I am sure they will give it you if
yea require it. (Cheers.)
Amass Clawruteue.—Mr.Dienseli says nothing shoat it.
Mr. FREWEN cootisued. Mr. Disraeli spoke ofthe excise
duties, and distinctly pointed out that ono-third of those
duties were loakt by the aploalturiats, referring evidently to
the malt data+, which produced 4,000,0001. a year out of
12,000,0001. He mast repeat, however, that he should be
emseedingly glad to have a pledge from Mr. Hume end
these who acted with him that they would advocate the
repeal of the malt tax. Be must my that he had his doubts
wheels., even amusing the expenditure to be reduced, some
ether tax might not be removed, sad the malt tat still left
ea. Sue! a thing wee possible, sad he should like to Law •
deer and specific ends rtakisc upon the subject. (Hear.)
Mr. LATTIMORE said he was sot is a position to answer
seasonally for Masers. Cobden, Hams, end Bright, because
he had not emsthlted with thongs the point; but he
thought that their character for et tforwardbese, honour,'
sad integrity was such, both in the owe of Commons and
est of it, that it afforded an ample guersatee of their sin-
Welty in oporsition to the malt tax. (Hear.)
Mr. HOUGHTON begged to date that Mr. Cobdea had
held his that he would vote for the repeal of the malt tar.
Yr. BACON meld Mr. Cobden had stated to him that if
say agriculturist would moth the repeal of the malt end hop
duties la the House of Commas., be should be happy to
mead the motion, and to do all is kis power to carry
It. (Chem.)
A vote of thanks was then passed, with acclamation,
the Cheirmaa ; and, after a irw observations in ackaowledg-
Meat, the nestles broke up.