The Express.
London, England, 1848-03-07 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 7, 1848.

'ERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—bioNDAY, MARCH 6.
The LORD CW&NCRLLOU took his seat at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
THIRD READINGS. —Leiehmens (Gobs. Glebe Yentas), and
the New Zealand Government little.
Their lordships adjourned at 20 minutes past 6 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, MARCH. O.
The SPEXT.BE took the chair at 4 o'clock.
Mr. IL DRUMMOND toot hi seat for Perthshire.
PRIVATE BCSINESS.
SECOND READINGS.—East and West Loos Flnrbour anNavigation;
d Bridge;
Gnat Yarmouth Ocel Duthie; Norwich and Yarmouth
River Nene Improvement and Drainage ; EL
PU BLIC sustNEss.
PETITIONS.—By Sir W.Vmsea, from Armagh, praying Mid some
portion of the funds allocated for educational purports in Ireland be
granted to the kibiare.street Educational Society in Ireland. —bir R.
Inoue, from Gloucester, and fry, several hon. members, from rerious
places, against the Jewish Disablities Eill.—Lord 11. Tors, from •
*aft in the North of England, against the repeal of the Navigation
Lase.—ler. B. Drums, from Caernarvon, praying for the urtt.-
Meat of additional medical °dicers to the poor-law
Mr. 11. Gars, from Peary° ; Mr. Mowarr, from Dumfries ; die W.
Bo
also, from Cornwall , Mr. It. If from Inverness; Dr.
Bowater., from several Maces ; Mr. J. Nusan, tram a place not beard;
Mr. Some% from Sirond ; Mr. Hamar, from a place in Oxford-
shire ; Mr. Farrows severel from Loudon and Es vicinity ; Mr.
Osmium, from Uxbridge ; against the inceme lax. —Mr. COBDUM, SC.
sad petitious sgahrt any addition to our military estabtirliments,
one of which, ernanatuig from a body of delegates from many large
Mane, assembled at the 11.11 of Comeneroc, Threadneedle-erect.
prayed the house to withhold all further soothe% until • Urge reduc-
tion has born nude in our military and naval cetablishmente.
NOTICE Or MOTlON.—Provitaux—Mr. G. ttgaicr,sr, on an
early day to more that all the mantling order, relating to the privi-
leges of the house be rescinded, a• beim vague, impoesible, and of no
utility whatever.

CARLISLE ELECTION.
Mr. DIVEIT reported from the Carlisle Committee that
W. N. Hodgson, Esq., and John Dixon, Esq., bad not been
duly elected to serve in the pment parliament for the
borough of Carlisle.
PENZANCE WATERWORKS.
Mr. MOWATT moved that this bill be read a second time.
Sir C. LEMON opposed the bill, as giving the monopoly of
the supply of water to a private company. The corporation
of Penzance were, in his opinion, the proper purveyors of
water to the town.
Mr. MOWATT was willing to postpone the second read-
ing for a fortnight. Ile had not expected that the bill, irs its
present stage, would have met with any oppositi on.
After a short discussion, the second reading was postponed
until the 10th of March.
SEVERN NAVIGATION BILL.
Mr. srooNER moved that the above bill be read a

second time.
Capt. BERKELEY moved, as an amendmeut, that the
bill be read a second time that day six months. Ile did not
see y
wh a measure which had been rejected by a committee
of that house in 1842 should be reproduced in 1848.
Mr. HOPE seconded the amendment. The changes con-
templated by the measure would seriously atfect the property
stretching along the banks of the Severn.
Mr. SPOONER defended the bill.
Mr. SLAN EY opposes' the further progress of the bill.
Lord INGESTRE supported the second reading.
Mr. LABOUC HERE said that the parties who proposed
this bill were trustees for the public, and had no personal
interest in the matter. They were gentlemen who, some
years since, had been entrusted with the carrying out of the
great scheme of a water communication between the mining
districts in the west of England and the sea. He trusted
that the bill would be permitted to go to a committee, when
all the objections which had been atarted would meet with an
easy remedy.
The house divided—For the second reading 91
Against it lO4-13
THE CON vlc r ANNETTE MEYERS.
Mr. EWART inquired of the tight hon. the Secretary for
the Home Department, whether it was intended to carry out
the sentence of death which had b. en passed in this case ?
Sir G. GREY could give no other answer to the question,
than that the whole official knowledge h had on the subject
was derived from a letter he had received from the Lord
Chief Baron, before whom the case had been tried, stating
what the verdict was, and that that verdict had been accom-
panied by a recommendation to mercy on the part of the
jury. (Hear, bear.)
INCENDIARY FIRES—BRITISH GUIANA.
Mr. OSWALD asked whether there would be any objec-
tion to lay before the house the proclamation of the governor
of this colony, in reference to the inceudiary tires alleged to
have taken place there ?
Mr. LABOUCHERE would communicate with thefuture Cola
nial-office on the subject, and g,ve an answer on a
occasion.
EFFICIENCY OF THE MEDITERRANEAN FLEET.
MR. COBDEN'S TATEMEN T.
Lord INGESTRE wished to put a question to the
echo .
member for the West Riding (Mr. Celsdenhin reference t a
speech made by him some time since at the luanchester
Chamber of Cemmerce. In that speech the hon. member
was reported to have said that the American consul at Malta
in a conversation with him (Mr. Cobden) averted that the
British ships of war on the Mediterranean station were very
"slack," or words to that elf'ct. He wished to know from
the hon. member whether the reports of his speech which
imputed this statement to him were correct ? lie was in-
duced to put the question because he loud seen in the papers
of that day, in the news from Malta, a statement made by the
American consul, to the etlect that he had not the honour of
Mr. Cobden's acquaintance, and that he had never seen him
but once, which was in the year 1837. If the reports of the
hon. gentlemen's speech were correct he then
tements wished to
know whether the bon. gentleman stood by his sta ?
Mr. COBDEN—When the navy estimate come before the
house I shall be happy to justify every word I said on the
ocuion to which the noble lord alludi 5. as to the state of
our naral forces at Malta, mil probably' he will then be
prepared to refute the facts I then asserted, and which were
generally very correctly reported in the 3lanchester Guar.
dim. (Hear, hear.)
BRITISH FLEET IN THE TAGUS.
Mr. HUME asked whether or not orders had been given
for withdrawing the British fleet from Portugal, or it not,
bow much longer 'hat expense was to be continued?
Lord PALMERSTON replied that orders had already
been given to withdraw the bulk of the squadron. One line
of battleship and a steamer would, however, remain in the
Tagus for some time longer.
Mr. HUME complained generally of the practice of em-
ploying our ships for purposes similar to that in which the
squadron at Portugal had been employed. It was adding to
our naval expenditure, not only for is very unnecessary but
for a very had purpose.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was usual in our naval
arrangements to have some force ready to act wherever Bri-
tish inrests or British merchants were likely, from events
whichte might probably ensue, to be placed in danger.
(Hear, hear )
THE WAR BETWEEN TILE UNITED STATES
AND MEXICO.
Mr ROBINSON observed that it was very generalle-
y
reported in the City that government was in possession of r
cent information justifying the belief that hostilities between
the Uuited States and Mexico tad ceased, and that con-
ditions of peace had been concluded. He wished to know
whether that report was correct.
Lord PALMERSTON replied that the last accounts go-
vernment had seceived stated that negotiations for peace
were in prep, as, and though it was not suited the hostil
were exactly suspended, so far as heel negotiations went it
appeared that there was every prospect of peace being con-
cluded. (Hear, hear.) But of course whatever arrange-
ments were made by the local negotiators would require to
be confirmed by their respective governments.
THE TREATY OF
AGAI ST LORD PALME ItSION. ADRIANOPLE—CHARGES
Mr. URQUHART said that the noble lord the member
for Tiverton, in his speech on Wednesday last. thought fit to
attribute V) him (Mr. Urquhart) a corrupt motive for hav-
ing then repeated a statement he hail previously made as te
the noble lord's conduct as Secretary for Foreign Affairs—
the allege.' corrupt motive being that because of his tlir.
Urquhart's) removal from the t thee of secretary of embassy
he had made, and continued to make, certain charges
against the noble lord. An imputation of this kind, litres,
should di-qualify him from the honour of sitting in that
house, and, if false, he should be equally direptalified if he
failed to rebut it. The noble lord promised when he made
this charge to bring forward the grounds on which
he made it. Bcfore he del so, he (Mr. Urquhart)
wished to state distinctly that, so fare (Mr
being influ-
enced by any disappointment resulting from his removal from
office in the course he had taken, that he hail been in con-
flict with the noble lord upon all matters that came under 'I
his official cognisance from the first moment they had come
in contact with each other. (" lieu," and a laugh.) )come
was in conflict with the noble lend in P)3l, and even then,
long previous to his being appoint, cf. to any office, the noble
lord employed underhand means to injure him. ("Oh, oh!'
and laughter.) He could prove that the noble lord had, pre-
vious to his (Mr. Urquhart's) appointment, represented
him to • foreign government as a Russian agent. (Oh,
oh !) It had been stated in that house, and not refuted,
that he had subscribed to the treaty upon which so much
had been said, as a Russian project • but he received his
appointment, not because he concurred with the noble lord,
noble lord concurred with him. (A laugh.)
m office, as far from complaining,
its that he expressed his grati-
titmice of the calumnies and charges
"t against him, with a view to ruin
on of a public nature had an-en
correspondence that had passed he-
lf
ed, Mr. Deckhouse, d himse,
in the debate the other day.
he noble lord to lay that cor-
le house. In that correspondence
he had not complained of being re-
merely demanded justice and redress
.tiered in consequence of false state•
Massador and the noble lord, and to
givea by the public press. He
st the noble lord openly and pub-
, Vmt the noble lord appointed
consistent from the beginning to
the noble lord now either to re-
m Wednesday last—when he im-
him (Mr. Urquhart), or to lay on
s correspondence.
had certainly stated the other day
on of the motives which had induced
ake these charges against him, an im-
by the hon. member's statement—that
had contributed to inspire him with
(Lord Palmerston's) conduct he had
oar, bear.) The hon. member had
occasion that he believed he had been
purpose of ;urthering his views of
His opiuion as to the hononrable
might be right, or it might be
net retract it. (Hear; hear.) Re

to test the elperinient. On Mr R)ebuck's and prosperite of the countmen
should however have no objection to lay before the house long period . • _ • (Hear.) Since 1815 taxesto meet I then made. I told the house that in that year there
• balance stated that if they allowed the income tax to expire there
the letters to which the hon. member referred, the whole ol motion for exempting professtons, 65. gentlemen only were the amonteeoefes3B27oooillifonsh"hadheeteineareptueacedieaanedinegthers to the would be &surplus of revenue amounting to flee millions. I
which he believed bed been published in the newspapem Mund to support him ;
f °nude 'ian %motion for nethativirittuhe amounts or: 13 7
pe;led of more than 39,770,13001. If they were would be in 1846 a surplus of 2,600,0001. I Meted at the
(A laugh.) The hot. gentleman had said that from the tax, so few se 30 weretho n et • minority. . oee
met ' .°1
a talcoblea to make the revenue cover the expenses of same time that in the opinion of her Majesty's govern-
n ereby. benefited and the faith the
first moment they had come into contact they hail come had been remand; , e matting and comma.-- interests not en
into °online and that he was appointed not because he con- and the coastuner hall year they were resolved that upon an average of years ment it was advisable to add greatly to our naval
' -'d be habl tati that tbe income estimates. The rumen of steam navigation -- the
edged to CelltlOUB for a limited time there ghoul a pro • expec on
curred with me (said the noble lord) but bemuse I concurred of parliament wee p , .
bt bon hero t bed ld ual the expenditure. No man could predict with impomibility of repeurime our steemmessele in the
with him, I eeeee before heard that concurrence between that tax, by which
tit: re etti e e t Me. 13_11
nes.a
ll to wou .
eg
with respect to future expenditure and income. Channel —the uafitnen of our ports for steam navigation—
two persons was proof of conflict. (" Hear," and a laugh.) remit those duties til theetedenwmen _h O
.bee ful y.csn certiony • ,
The hon. gentleman says that I had endeavoured to under- nee out. If any bop. me . ras of opinion that within All be could say WILS, • g• rn
th t the o e ment in submitting rendered it in our opinion advisable to lay the foundation of
' financial proposition to the home, had asked for as those works which have since Men :tarried on. We thought
mine and injure him previous to ha appointment - whoever the period of one year the income of the country might so their
. . el the expenditure then might. that hon. little taxation as was consistent with the efficiency of the it also adviseble to add to the number of our men in the
told him that has misinformed him. (Hear.) But 1 cen increase as to equ use would navy. I stated that to the house before I asked them to re-
ted the hon. gentle- member consistently vote for the motion of his hon. friend. publM service of the country, and he hoped the ho
tainly must admit that when 1 ftrpoyl i d them that it was open to them
ancellor of the Exchequer) not thinking such not disturb the credit of the country by assentiog to the pro. new the income tax. I til
MA I WAS told by some friends o mtne who knew him well But he (the Ch .
If d
that I had done a most injudicious act—Mh ear," end a thinmpostible, felt it ts uty .
to call mein the home to position ot his hon. friend. (Heam hear.) either to abandon the income tax or to retain it, dispensing
es own character and the tomonal credit, by voting Mr OSBORNE said that the right hon. gentleman who with duties upon other articles. I said, if you retain the tax
laughter)—but so far from undermining or abandoning him, maintain i
h f r thr rs d' • Hi had •ust t down, had said but little in support of the you will have a surplus of 3,600,0001. I inked, in what
believing that I bad made a proper appointment, I main- the continuance of t e tem o ee yea ,an geeing su - 1 "
to out the great experiment of 1845, income tax, but that might be expected, when it wu known manner will you apply that surplus ? I entreated the house
tained it, and the hon. gentleman weat out to Constanta cieut time for carry g . tleman had mid on a former occasion seriously to consider whether or no they were prepared to re-
The principle upon whtch that experiment was made that the right hon. gen
nople. (Hear, hear.) a statesman or any man expe- peal the income tax, or, retaining that tax, to repeal the ex-
had been entirely falsified be some hon. members. As the that "he never met with
WAYS AND IdEANS—THE INCOME TAN. im Mee duties on Mats, &e, and to make an alterantn of the
deficient harrest of le3B, the remission of the Post-office rienced in polieieal affairs, who did not declare that the -
The order of the day having been read, a large nuinber of position of such a tax was most objectionable, and above all sugar duties. So far from taking the house by surprise those
duties and commercial distress rendered the income tax ne-
petitions were resented, some praying for the diecontinu-
etairari in 1842, so had the necessity of providing fooe for to be avoided in time of peace, and that before having re. propositions were fully submitted to their consideration. The
ance of the tax altogether, some for a more equitable aesesn
the people owing to the fMlure of the potato crop in 1816, course to such • "clime of taxation he must exhaust every house affirmed the i Icrease of the estimates : they effirmed
meat, some that it might be accompanied by an equaliitation
nd the subsequent commercial &Orem brought about by other." (Hear, hem.) Why had not the right hon. gentle- the renewal of the income tax ; they affirmed the repeal of
of the probate and legacy duties ; othees, that it m'ght be
atl t financial difficulty, rendered it" renewal a matter man exhausted every other scheme ot taxation, and why did taxes which involved a grabs loss of two millions to the re-
extended to Ireland ; and some thm it might be limited to ie Preset, loss of GOO 0001. on glass of 680 0001. on cotton of
ot necessity in 1143. Nor could he say that he anticipated he net support the motion of the hon. member fur Cocker- venue ; a ,•. . , , • • ,
one yearn I revival of ceinraereiel MosPerity, Particularly when mouth f Mr. Hemmen) ? But the right hon. gentleman 300,9001. upon the auction duty, together with other items,
Mr. RUME wished to call the attention of the Chan- an earl
conedend the esteem of Miters abroad. But that was • supported the motion brought for ward by the hon. memeer making a total loss to the revenue, which it was impossible to
cellor of the Exchequer and the home to what appeared he .
b more fur extending the income tan beyond a for Liskeard, now a member of the government, which had recover by any indirect taxation of thesame sort, to the extent
to him to he • difficulty in the present mode of pre ruesson t e . . d of not lose than two millions at the least. It was with a lull
night year. lin hon. frien was of opinion that all taxes somewhat • similar object in view.
ceeding. On all previous occasions the minister had ex-
uhtto be imposed for a limited time. He (the Chancellor eir. LABOUC H ERE mid be did not vote for it. cognisance of all these facts that the Home of Commons con-
plained in his budget the ways and means by which he n
of
the E ti -
uer) was far from thinking and the smear Mr. OSBORNE—The right hon. gentleman did not vote sented to the scheme. Now. it has been said that I concealed
proposed to meet the expenditure of the mar. If there was o . lc eq• • • gainst it. Ho WAS of opinion the red objects with which I made those propmetions.
th her f h '
d question fortined him in e ie ,tat an annual agitation for it, but he did not vote •
any surplus, to submit to the house how such surplus shout
be dealt with ; and, if any deficiency, to explain how the th tax II -Li t. l f c ht th tax ought to be rendered more equal, and though (Hem, hear.) It has been said that addressing myself sub-
upon e es aecngarte es o ommerce or consump- t a e
Mon would not conduce to the welfare or improvement of they might not be able to arrive at metheminical accuracy, sequently to a body of merchants in • distant town, the sub-
money was to be made up. (Hear, hoer.) The noble lora, ects of another country, I made a declaration at variance
whom he was sorry not to see in his place, had estimated the d to the Man WM of the countr .As for eneral that was no reason why they should nut endeavour to t
tre. e., or • q ay h . y a.g .
revision of taxes at once, e coundered such a thing ita. render it more palatable to the people. (Hear.) The right with my then expressed opiniens. (Ironical cheers from the
next year's revenue at 51,260,0001., and the expenditure at .
eble • but when the hurr fb • h•lth CI smeller of the Exchequer, quoted opposition.) Why, I utterly deny it. (Ministerial cheers.)
y o witness was over, on. gent omen, e i
54,596,0001., showing a deficiency of about 3,500,0001., which, Practic , fMr Pitt, but it should be recollected that , Why, 1 have teen in the newspapers • letter purporting to be
I added to the deficiency of the last year, would leave a sum he intended to turn his attention to the subject, for he WAS , the autheerityi
to i
oat. d the income tee, the country was ent I written by me, which, in the first place, appeared to have
equal to 5,000,00e1. to be provided tor beyond what the esti- luet,ris anziotis as his hee, frien.4. to reduce tho public en l, when l'd .P t inp h .t e
(Hear.) When the re. been a German translation of what I did write and thee an
1 mated income from the ordinary sources would meet. The Finn tun? al ler as Possibie. Ttie only Ming the govern- ' gaged in a war for er ems en ce
mem objected to was, any undue reduction of thme este- newel of the, tax was pm En lish re-ventilation of the German edition. Lau hter aed
pureed by the right hon. baronet, g ( g
2 per cent. on the income tax, -by which government pro-
blishments which it was necessary to maintain for the the noble lord (Lord J. lltessell) made the following motion, cheers.) lam little desirous to repel these attar/is ; I care
posed to supply this deficiency, had been withdrawn; but the
mode in which the money was now to be made up had not honour and protection of the country. that considering the various means of supplying tile present little about them ; but here is the letter I really did write,
edr SVOMN ER would vote tor the motion of the hon. deficiency, it is the opinion of the house that the renewal ot which is that I apprehend by which I am bound. " The
been explained. (Hear.) lie might appeal to the right •
member for Montrose because of his anxiety to uphold the a tax inquisitorial. i . ,
n its character unequal in its pressure, property tax wag intended "—that is not the commence-
bon. baronet whether he ever remembered a budget heing
brought forward in which there was an admitted deficiency honour and credit ot the couutry, and because he was op- and hitherto considered exclusively as tne financial reserve meet ot the letter, but I suppose
.I need not read what does
for whim pused to the reduction of those establiehments which were of the nation i . ,
M time of war is not called for by the public not refer te the subject. I reoetved an address from these
of expenditure over income—that was, a deficiency d' bl li h entlemen and I wrote te th kthm f 't Afte
necemary for in protection. He conceived that there was umemititi, and a not therefore a visa e. ( etr, ear. )8. , an eori . r expren
no provision was made ?
Sir It. PEEL bad certainly been always in favour, pre- nothing iso dangerous to both P 3 a tax which was not only He did not thihnk that there WU any greater necessity for sing my thanks, I proceeded—
'iota to his coming into office in 1841, of a budget not being unjust in its principle, and unpopular in itehprovisions ; bet thieltae now ean when the noble lord made this motion. The property tax wds intended net merely to supply a deficit in the
revenue as compered with the public expenditure, but to lay the
brought forward with an admitted deficiency. (Meer, hear.) it was rendered still more uneopular y the way in In 816 the House of Commons refused an income tax b a
oryd... fimudetion of Meter principles ol Wisdom, to Mere meat. for re-
But he could net forget that in 1839, 1840, and 1841, there which those provisions mre carried out by the coon majority of 37, and the public credit was. net shaken, n ia pealing duties on the raw materials of important manufectures, for
had been in each year a very heavy deficiency, and yet the miesioners in various parts of the country. Ile would minister. resign in consequence. But, i 1842 the right hon. exempting useful branches of domestic industry from venetious rem-
budget had been brought forward. (A laugh.) also vote fur the motion, because after the divi- baronet smuggled the income tax through the house and pro- letions of excise, and for remitting tamtion frorn emend ankles ini.
• te eion of Feeley night it was clear that the government in- nosed tbat the amount of the tax would be made up by the meted, Loin Mood which are emoted to the oomfort and enjoyment
Toe house then went into committee, Mr. Banziem in e trio. easees of the coon .
*air. tended to prem the tax upon the house without any erudite saving which would result from the commercial measures T.,:, wu. me
b as what I wrote—(hear, hear) ; and I beg to ask if
The formal resolution for continuing the income tax for cation, and he thought the sooner the iadustrious classes which he proposed. lie Mir. °theme) never yet saw the
that wits not in d' t • 'd
i comet e nee with all I had erer de.
were released from its inequality and injustice the better. pereon who said that he effected any such saving. (Hear.) .
three years having been put, dared, and if I was not fully justified in Peering that my ob.
Mr. HUME called upon the Chancellor of the Exchequer lie wag of opinion, too, that Ireland might not to be ex- lie denied that they had a right to look to the exigencies la the foundation M
ject was. to " y ot i ster principles of
to captain the mode in which he proposed to meet the defi- eepted from it. He was aware that other taxes were at the of die state alone in imoosing taxes; they must also look
Miency—whether they had attandoned the increased eels- h - a rll I dhb I ed °anti" r"
time proposed as equivalente, but they haa not rroved to be to t e exigencies an wants ot e peep e, an e e lee . • (Cheers.) There were 1,200 articke of con-
- mption subject to duties which led to restrictions and re-
, blishments for the cuming year and proposed to reduce the equivalmits. lle thought it unjust that the owner of pro- there never was
.• time when the people were less able to gelation much more onerous even than the taxes them-
I expenditure of the country to a sufficient extent, or whether Perty in Ireland, if resident abroad, should not be subject to bear atm not of hve per cent, but of three per cent. (Hear.)
'elves. On 700 of theme arti I th dti
ces e ues were reduced,
that tax. The right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the The right hon. gentleman the member for Coventry (Mr.
a new tax was to be imposed to make good the deficit ? and on •• •
MO they were entirely repealed. Was not that the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had already Exchequer had observed that this tax was imposed partly to Ellice) said that the income tax did not affect the poor. foundation ot • great commereite change ? If you gay o
stated that ministers did not intend to diminish the amount make up a deficiency mnd partly to try a great experiment lie denied that. It wu well known that it induced me " You did not use words to that effect in thii house,"Ll
of force—that was the number of men they considered nem*. which was greatly to boo fit trade and commerce, but which all persons to curtail their expenses. The poorer classes reply that the very words of the letter are identical with
eery for the three services, the army, n•Sy, and ordnance. was not yet fully carried out, and that, therefore, the were beginning to comerehend that, and they were tbereforc words which I din debate. On the 23rd of M 11,
And to 'May the house that no reduction in the expense tat ought to be continued. But, had that expe- dett rmined to oppode it. The right hon. gentleman the Imi.2, .... . , .
could be made, or, at all events, to inquire into the question rirnent been succemful 7 tie maintained that it had not. Chancellor of the Exchequer, and the right hon. gentleman tamatton leaving been thrown out that the go-
of expenditure two committees had been appointed. With re .
rhe industry of the country was cempletely broken down, the Secretary et War in 1812, and the right hon. baronet vernfnent were not in eamett in proposing he chan e and
thet I had not nett ur implied tha t h g '
t t e government
geed to the mede in which the deficiency should be made up, and the small capital of the small tradesman destroyed. (Ste R. l'eel) in 1833, admitted this. Rethought the whole staked their exert o u n the success of their. measures:—
be had already explained, when he intimated the intention Those who were in puint of fact the strength of the nation, question of taxation should be referred to a committee, in- on the 23rd of "elearacch IP"'
of government to abandon the increased per centsge on the mthe meldling classes,—were paralysed. Re was es anxiou.s stead of the current expenditure, which wes a dangerous pre- debete : , 842, I used the following words In
income tax, that though on all previous occasions as the hon. member for Montrom himself to curtail the ce. cedent. It was stated that the Irish members woted vote e
moose Mir ae a measure whi hMe I the cc o t .
, any excees in one year's expenditure had been provided penditure ot the country, hut he WU also desirou.
sto rennin for this tax. lie should be surprised if t iey were so blind meept, nine e 1 ° ye° fa f -he P"rn
ave made melt a decimation appears to me scarcely ne-
-1 for in the estimates of the next, he propmed in its credit. sail he looked upon the present measure as more to their owu intermts and to the consequence of their votes oseery. Ido protium lt -I speak not of minor detain, but of the
Mhis case to pay the present year's naval excess and maculated than any other tonhake that credit, and render the if they gave them in favour of the tax. meusure itrelf—as the bon ef the linanciel and commercial policy of
' the charge tor the hat& war oat of the balances emple discontented. lie believed the experiments 0(1812 and Sir It. I'EEL-1 think, Sir, that it is important in con. OM country—
in the Exchequer. This would get rid of 1,345,0001., leav- 184 e were wrong in principle. The real just principle upon sidering the question, Whether the income tax shall now be Mired cries of " Hear. hear")—Well, there is a difference
ing between 1,500,0001. and 1,800,0001. to be provided for, which taxation should be conducted, was to confine it to Continued for three years,that weshould not exclude altogether certainly between " basis " and " foundation." I leave you
should the expenditure be equal to and the income no more the importation of all foreign articles by foreigners. Their from our coneideration the circumstances under which that to make the most of it— '
than the estimated amounts. With this he proposed to deal free trade policy had had the effect, even already, el tutu- tax was imposed in 1842, and renewed in the year 1845 ; tered.'et • 'ante:ewe which I never
feould have consented to pi more it
in this way. A practice had been introduced by Lord ing the balance of trade againtt them, and the failure in the and I feel it Incumbent upon me, after the reflections which mainter enm'ait. 4reymc7revilltnn:ldeitrslrsetleetTtreseminog rady fie all
Althorp, and afterwards followed by Mr. Baring, of apply- harvests aggravated the calamity. lie, however, went have been cant upon the tax itself, and upon the motives I convitmed that this menure, and tee mature! which re
may it, .
ing any surplus in the revenue to the purchme of deficiency further buck then the experiments of 1812 and 1845, with and conduct of those by whom it was imposed, to vindicate are neeeluary for the welfare of the country.
bills, instead of to the extinction of any part of the funded or respect to which, as well as our monetary and free-trade from the aspersions ef opponents the government by which Those are the exset expression, which I used in 1812. I did
unfunded debt, the result of which had been to establieh systems, he had the misfortune to differ very widely with this tee was proposed to parliament, and the Howe of Com- then certainly expects a strong doubt if it would not be
large balances in the Exchequer. lie had previously ex- them for whese judgment and wisdom, upon other subjects, mons which, by immense majorities, consented to its original better to continue the tax fur five year* rather than for three,
plane the great advantage of those balances in enabling he always entertained the deepest respect. He considered imposition. (Hear.) If, sir, they believe all they have but 1 expressed &sanguine hope thatatthe end of Met years li
government without borrowing to bridge over aaY Period et our Tremont free trade and monetary systems the funilamen- heard, this 110LLSP of Commons, or rattier those tnemeere of it would be possible to repeal it. And when 1845 came my
difficulty like the present, or in meeting any sudden emer- tal souices of almost all the evils by which this country was who tad noplaceinthelast parliamenecannot but have formed anticipations were realised, for 1 wag able to show you in
geney like the enormous demand for food in Ireland, result. afflicted. astranite opinion of the conductof their predeeen ors, and meet that year that there was a surplus of s,ooo,oooe—that the
ing from the feilure of the harvest. lie lied also explained Captain TOWNSHEND sal, as that waa the fint time he he filled with surprise ird astonishment that it was pos- buoyancy of the revenue was such in nearly to supply the
that he proposed to avail himself of these balances, believing addreesed the house, he was not about to make a currency Mile for any minister to have persuaded a legielature to void which had previously existed, and that it was then in
that should the house grant the renewal of the income tax speech ; but he would express a few sterling words—(a consent to the imposition of the tax we are discussing. The your power, had you so pleased, to have repealed the tax,
for three 3 ears longer, treiug sure of a certain income, they taught—upon the subject under consideration. He regretted hon. member who spoke last, says the tax was "smuggled" Mowed of adopting a meature for the increate of the esti-
might be eaabled within that period so to arrange the ave- extremely that the government had proposed such a men through parliament. Smugg'ed through parliament! Smug- mans and the remission of duties upon other articles. It wee
rage expenditure as tu enable tnem to meet the wants of the sure, for he always thought an interne tax the moat odious gle an income tax imposing a burden of five millions on with a full knowlerloe of all these faces that the ,
couutry, and replace those balances. and inquisitorial of the taxes introduced into this country. It the people! Smuggled through parliament !If you—the house consented in 184 a to a revival of the tax of 1842.
Mr. BERRIES coneidered the "Planation of the right was unequal and in every respect objectionable; but when Mouse of Commons—are uhamed of the vote by which this Now if the house regret this, as I mid before, I must ob-
hon. baronet by no means istiefartore. (Hear, hear.) Tilt y proposed hy the right hon. bart. opposite it was received ass tax was passed, rescind it ! If new events have °evened viously concede their nght to exprest that 'epee and to
Were DOW dimussitig tne second budget brought forward I,) dcrid and a fair tax. In 1842 there were 110 meetings or demon- convincing you that the policy was wrong, alter the policy ; take • different course, but Ido not want to shelter myself
government. The Mot mole complete provision of the orations against it. Then it was repreeente d that it would lan it must always be wiee to accept the guidance of experience; under their authority. So long as I live I shall never repent
ways and means to meet the expenditure, and when it was only for three years. On its expiration in 1815 it wu re- it must atweys be abetted to maintain a system which that I proposed this alteration in the commercial policy of
abandoned the right hon. gentleman shadowed out that newed, and then there were neither meetings nor any public occurrences prove unfound. But it is • groas reflection the country—(cheers)—and induced the House of Common',
which he bad just stated as part of the means of makiug geed expression of dimust or opposition. No gentleman in or out upon the late House of Commons to ineinuate, as has aot by fascination, not by smuggling, but by a full and expli• 1
the deliciency which the new plan involved, but reserved to of that house wee more opposed to the income tax than he ; heen done to-night, that this measure wait °smuggled" cit statement ot facts, to impose and to continue the direct
hioaselt the power of coming down later in the Keeton, it but, as their constituencies hed not spoken out upon the sub. through parliament, and it is an equally injurious impute. tax in question, in lieu of the repealed and reduced taxes
necessary, to make provision for the remainder. The pro. mat, he thought they were served quite right in being sad- lion upon those who implied the tax to say that they con- to which I have referred. (Hear, hem.) I have made
meal to pay this money out of the Exchequer trainees was an dled with it. (Laughter.) And he for one should give the cealed the real motives of their conduct ! (Hear, hear.) By this statement in justice to those who, however
intutticient and uncenstitutioual provision for the supplies measure his support. He thoueht the country should miler overwhelming majorities the tax was assented to. An hon. they fell off from me in 1846 (laughter) were
of the year. It was a mode of payment ad interim, but it for its stupidim, and he hoped they would. (Laughter.) member (the member for Finsbury) told us the other night my cordial supporters in 1845. (Hear, hear.) There is
was no provision. Mem.) There nay not one of those Objections had been made to the improvement ot our na- that he was " fascinated " into supperting it, (A laugh.) nothing further from my wish than to revive any of the dis-
balances which had net been already appropriated—not one [Meta defence', and also to whet had been termed " the A representative of a large an 4 important constituency cessions of 1846 ; but we must draw a clear line of distine-
that had not a charge upon it equivelent to the full amount. warlike speech "of the noble lord (J. Russell) ; but be quite makes the humiliating avowal that he allowed a tax imposing don between the commercial line of policy of 1845 and that
(C mere.) These belences were not mere balances oi disagreed with the hon. gentlemen who had mken those oh- a burden of five millions upon the people of England to pose of 1846. Now, there were some predictions mode at the
account, but of cash in the exchequer., in regard to which jectione, for • more pacific speech, or one ezpressive of more thee house, not because of hie deliberate conviction of in time of the income tax being proposed which it is not imma-
the government were already li dole. (Meer, hem.) Mild and friendly feelings towards the French people could justice and propriety, but became he was " feseinated " cede' to recall. We were told that the substitution of direct
lie should like te see the right hou. geutlernan put these nut have been delivered. As to our national defences, our into supporting it ! (Loud cheen and laughter.) Another for indirect taxation to the i meat which I proposed wu most
balances in the shape of a vote when he balanced his sup Funding army was not more than WAS required. As long as hnn. member say. it wax "smuggled" through the house. unwise, and that, though we might receive a large sum se
plies with his ways and means, because that would bring we have colonies we must hold them in a grece measure by Why did you permit it ? Can it be resale that income tax, we Mould firel a material counterbalance
the question to a test. If they teak the balances in the military occupation. It could not be expected that we were members of large constituencies allowed so important in the falling off in other taxes, as Mr example,
Exchequer as propmedmthose balances being the cash de. to have no disturbance; at home requiring the aid of the a measure to pans in such • manner ? Sir. on their in the assessed taxes. Now such has not been the case. In
posited there to meet tbe charges from one quafter to militerY• Fr, e trade would disappoint many who expected behalf I repel the imputation. 1 conceive that there never 1842, before the direct tax, the income tax, was imposed,
another—they must throw tbemmives ere the Bank to make a would operate as a panacea for all evils. When there was an imputation more ill-Mewled. 1 believe that there there was received of astemed taxes, 4,190,0001. In 1847,
good the dehciency. (Hear, hear.) And was this a time, were so many demagogue', as in Ireland, screwing the last were great and important considerations of financial and after the several yean' collection of the direct tax the M-
end with the Bank Act of 1844 in operetion, that they penny out of the poorest of the most miserable and desti- commercial policy which induced you to asent to this tax, come tax, there were received, of asseeaed taxes, 4,3'34,0001.
would yenture,to avoid a temOorary difficalte, to tun the nett lute people! it waa not to be supposed that we do not need a in place of increasing the indirect texation of the eountre. so that, so far from there Icing a falling off in assessed
which must inevivaily follow a dinnuutioa of the balances strong military force always prepared for any emergency. Let me review what occurred. I was appointed to office in taxes, on account of the simultaneous imposition of the in- 1
necessary to meet current exPeems ? [Hear, hear.) Unlem Mr. 0. J. TURNER entertaiued no objection what- 1841. 11, in what lam about to say, I appear to draw any come tax, there was an increase of considerebly more than
the Chancellor of the Exchequer wee Prepared with a een. ever to the general proposition of an income tax, iiividuous contran between the late and the menet govern- 100,0001. (Hear, hear.) In 1842 and 1845, I meam to lay
stitutional prOTnnol2 to meet tee deticiimcy the house ought and if it wm imPosed justly an 4 equitably, it ment, let me at once disclaim any intention of so doing. down no principle with reference to Me proportion which
not to concur in the vote. (Hear, hear.) would have his most cordial and hearty support. (Hear, hear.) One of my motives for giving my support to direct taxistioa should bear to indirect taxation : I limply
Mr. HUME knew of only one way t° meet the difficulty It was natural to expect that the constituencies would judge this measure is, because of the great difficulties of the pose said then, u I my new, that I thought the imposi-
-that was to reduce the expenditure of the country. of their members by the votes they gave. Ile, therefore, tion in which the government are placed. That is one of tion ef 3 per cent., on the income of the
(Hear, hear.) He would never cement to tlie reimpesition supported the general proposition for an income tax. No my motives for supporting the measure. But, in vindication country, u a substitute for the taxes repealed
of the income tax for one year longer, were it not that time doubt the estimates were large, but he thought not larger ot the late House of Commons, I must state what is the or reduced, on articles of subsistence, on the raw
I might be given for a full comideration of this subject, and than the exigencies of the country required. Should any truth. I will endeavour to make that statement from memory material. of manufactures, or articles which peculiarly lead
that an opportunity might lee, affe orded fer„ted_lining gradually machance befall, the responsibility rested on the govern- without troubling the house by referring to statistics. In to smuggling, would be a beneficial substitute. (Hear, hear.)
our unnecessarily large ettamilamentm me tnerefore moved, meat ;
.and they must be supposed to possees the best in- 1811 the government with which I was connected succeeded lam quite aware that there are limits to the imposition ot
and would take the sense of the house on the question, that formation as to what was likely to occur. lie W•S no advo- to power. There was a deficit in the revenue. It was not die et taxation. (Hear, hear.) Ido not wee with those
the words, " tor a Wan W be limited" he omitted, and cate for reposing a blind confidence in any minister f but an occasional and casual deficit. In 1838, if I recollect wI • would substitute direct for indirect texathea as a general
1 the words for " one year "be inserted every member should consider what circumttances might rightly, there had been a deficiency of 1,500,000/. In 1839 principle. (Hear, hear.) In times of peace lam not at all
I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was glad to exist, unknown to himself, but present to the consideration there was a deficitncy of half a million. In Islo a further prepared to say that 1 could wish —except for special and
hem his hon. friend declare his anxiety to maintain the na. ot ministen, winch might require higher estimmes than he deficiency of 1,500,0001. In 1811 the deficiency amounted [mammary purposes—to carry direct taxation to any much
tional credit, as that was the ground upon which he called thought neemeary. If he was convinced there were to no len than '2,400,0001. My connate iii 1842 was, that greater extent than we have now carried it. (Hear, hear.)
,on the house to reject the proposition of his hon. friend and none such, the straightforward course would be to if no great effort were made, and if the estimates were te be lam quite ready to admit that there are great evils &mom-
adopt that of the government—" for a limited period "_. propose a vote of want of confidence ia minister. continued at the same rate until 1843, my estimate panyiug direct taxation. There is a strong inducement, no
which meant, as he had already explained, a period ut three (Ileer ) wan that we should have in that year a further deficiency of douut, in evil times, to derive revenue mom direct rather
years. The right hon. gentlem-en having reviewed the Sir W. CLAY said theta: might be unequal ;he admitted 2,600,0001. On the sth of April in that year, if my calcu. than from indirect taxation ; but lam not prepared to assent
' course which the government had already taken upon the it was so; but the question now was whether it should be im. lancers were correct, we should have had an accumulation to any general rule for the substitution, though it is one
subject, observed that he SUSS ladi Of opinion that an in. posed fer one year or three. Let the house well consider of deficit amounting to no less than ten millions sterling decadent, I believemvith the opinions of very many mem-
creased per oentage on the income tax would have been the what would be the effect of the amendment. They had been money ! That was the fiaancial condition of the country ? bers of this home. (Hear, hear.) I admit that there are
wisest measure, in reference to the present financial con informed tbat the expenditure of the financial year, com- What had taken place t The House of Coalmen. when many cams of individual hardship under the income tax, as
dition of the country, and as less likely to interfere with its meeting next month, would be about 54,596,5001. ; and the they assented to a fiscal alteration, which coul'el not there are under every tax that is raised, but 1 do not
trade and commerce than a per centage upon the assessed taxes income about 51,250,0001.- making, ertain deductione,the net be resisted except on Meal considerations ; the House of admit the hardship ot the principle upon which we now
or u n the window tax alone. The government now pm deficiency would probady amount to two millions. He Commons, when they assented to an alteration of proceed. (Hear.) I think the tax ought to he distinctly a
trer
the renewal of the income tam for 3 years, in the hope 01 felt compelled to vote for this tax, and not the post office duties, professed a fixed determination tax upon income. lf, indeed, you wanted to make some great
Mg able to equalise the income and expenditure withir for a single year only. If it were voted for three years, it to support the public credit. They detlartd that there should national effort, for some distinct national purpose, then you
that period, without haying recoume to additional taxation ; would give time for the reeources of the country to recruit be no deficiency. The Chancellor of the Exchequer, in ful might apply to capital. If you wanted, for example, by a
but defraying put merges and charges of a temporary themselves. In the meantime, many sources of expenditure fitment of that pledge, had proposed to parliament an midi- great national effort, to pay off all, or a part of the national
nature out of the balances in the Exchequer, which were at would terminate, by the completion of the dockyards and other doe of 5 per cent. upon the custo-us and excise denim, and had debt—(hear, hear)-1 do uot say this were a desirable effort,
present eie high as to enable him to go on from quarter to Public works. Though sentible of the high tumour which propmed that 10 per cent. shonla be added to the assessed but if you &sir dto make it,then you must apply to realised
quarter without requiring auy assistance from tho Bunk et was due to the hon member for Montrose, for his effete' in taxes. What had been the result of these addittons to the capital ; but I am now em liking of annual exertions to
England. lie, therefore, opposed the motion of his hon. the came of economy, he could net support him in his pre- general aaaaaaaa ? If I rendli et rightly, the Chancellor ot meet annual demands, and the direct tax towards these an.
friend, becauee the government proposition for an addition& sent proposal. the Exchequer estimated that the 5 per cent. added to the noel demands, I say, after long consideration of the subject,
per centage on the income tax having been withdrawn in Mr. G. MOBINSON was convinced that there was every customs and excise duties would produce about 1,900,0001. ought to be an income tax, without any distinction between
deference to the feeling oh the home and the countrY. he'did dieposition out of doen te support the natioual credit, and The actual income was on the most favourable calcu anon, the different source. whence it is denved. (Hear, hear.)
not think it pessible within the year, with the Present to give ministers the means ot supplying the exigencies of not more than 700,0001. Consequently, there was a dee I would never consent to relieve incomes derived from trade,
amount of taxation, to equalise the income and expenditure. the stale. All that he desired was that the taxation should eiency, comparing the estimate with the proceeds, oh not or incomes derived item profession* for the purpose of
The right hon. gentleman oPPothe, in his budget of 1842, be equal—in the wards of Adam Smith, " that them, who len than 1,300,0001. But what bad taken place as regarded throwing an invidious, and, as 1 thUalt, unjust, burden on
himself stated that there was a probable deficiency of about lived under the protection of the state should pay for that the ad.:talon to the asseseed times , The mtimare was, that what is called realised property. (Hear, hear.) The taxes
1,300,000 e, but the acted deficiency amoutited to 2400 000, protection in proportion to the means which they enjoyed." 262,000 t. would be the produce of the 10 per cent. additional weich had Men repealed or remeed, fell, certainly, as heavily
The income tax was revived in the meowing summer, and Mr. LABOUCHERM said that he would net go into taxation upon this branch ; but the actual pro• uon the tradesman and upon the professional man, as upon
in the course of two years the income excetded the expen- the question respecting the renewel of the income tax, be- duce was 300,0001. There consequently was evidence that the owner of realised property. There is no diminetion
diture. It was impossilee to equalise them within the given cause even those who on principle most objected to such indirect Meatier' had reached its limit, whilst direct taxation made between these various cla.rees in the duties upon artn ,
period of 12 mouths. The house had already declined to a tax admitted that in the present circumstances of the could bear aMt thee impost. I ask, then, was it the more des of luxury, in the window duties, in the assessed taxa;
make the income of the year equal the expenditure ; but country it was desirable that it should ne renewed, me wise in 1812 to resort to direct taxation to supply our defi- why, as to the income tax, are you to throw the whole ot
he did believe, nevertheless, looking to tee possible re- had. opposed the income tax on a former occasion, and the cienciee, or to seek for a renewal of indirect taxes, such as main onus upon real property ? To say nettling of the
duction of expenditure, and the possible increase of income, experience of late years had not made him enamoured of it. the reimposition of the duties upon salt and leather, and pledged faith we owe to funded property, every reason oi
that it was highly probable that such a result might be at- lie thought it was a tax that should be reserved for a time other articles of general consumption ' On that financial policy is against the oppressing that class of propene, with
mined en an average of three years. If the house, by of war. The House of Commons, however, assented to it, ground—gueled by that great finamial consideration—the a heavier share of taxation than is called for from trading co 1
adopting his hon friend's pro Position, refused to allow that and the country amepted it with a greater acquimcence than house took the view that the income WI WAS advisable. Thu profetetional income', in the way of direct taxation. In a I
time, which afforded a tair prospect of equalising the in- he could have expected, in order to give the right hon. gen- tax was not " smuggled" through the house. It was usented word, I consider that no principle can be more just, or MOM
come and expenditure of the country, then would he say ffeman (Sir R. Peel) an opportunity of proceeding with his ,to after long debates, after strenuous opposition, upon the free from objection, than that which we have acted upon ; ,
that they had taken the firM step tOwards repudiation, commercial reforms. If that course was found necemny in 1 firm conviction that indirect taxation offered no opportunities and I sheuld greatly dread the introduction of any other
and for the first time lost sight of the character they 1845, it waS much more we at the Present in nod. It had been of supplying the deficiency eqnal to the opportunity reault- Principle. (Hear, hear.) I come now to the question raised
had hitherto maintained. Seeing that the country was said that the reduction of dutlm effected by the right hon. ing from the imposition of that tax. (Cheers.) But I have by the hon. member opposite, whether or no it ie
still suffering from a great calamity and from recent com- baronet had Proved a failure! His (Mr. Laboucherets) said that there were also commercial comiderations which expedient that this tax should be continued for
mercial dieting" he was not surprised at the unwillingness conviction was of • different kind, and he firmly believed twayed the house. What was the commercial poMtion of three years, or only for one year. I shall give
it had evinced' to bear an additional impost. His opi- that if the springs of industry had not been reseed by the the country ? There existed a complete prohibition on me decided support to the government in mMntaining the
nion was that it would be much better to have sub- measures alluded to the country would now ne in a wen, the importation of those animals which formed part WI for the period of three years. (Hem, hear.) The non.
mitted for a time to that additioeal burden—not only as position than it was. (Hear, hear.) He would read for of the means of human subsistence. Not a cow, not • sheep, member for Montrose says one year only ; and with his
the most expedient mode of providing for the present dein the house a comparative statement which had been drawn not a bullock could be admitted ! But this was not all. On opinion that an immense redaction may be effected in the
eiency, but u the most economical in the end. Neither was up by officials in the Beerd eif Trade, of the wealth of the bacon there was a duty of 11. Bs. per cwt.; on hams, 11. Bs. extent of our naval and military forces, that proposition is
he surprised to find that many dissented from that epinion e country as shown by the income tax in 1815, and in shown per cwt. • on rice, a duty of 7s. a quarter ; on salted pork, a consistent enough ; but how the hon. member for Warwick-
but he mrtsinly was not disposed to think that the lionse ot by the returns of 1842. The result would show how greatly duty of 1.25. a barrel ; on salted beef the same; nay, there shire can vote for the one year amendment Ido not so well
Commons would be so unmindful of what was due to its own the country increased in prceperity during the interval ; and was even a duty of 2s. a cwt. on potatoes, and well I re- understand. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) This hon. gentle-
honour as to reverse its former count, and refuse the coati. it should be recollected at the same time that in the year member that when I proposed to reduce that duty there man announces that he shall give his cordial support to
nuance of • tax for three Mars by which alone the govern- 1815, all incomes above 501. a year, were taken into were the greatest remonstraaces from the growers of the government in maintaining the full complement of forces
meat could hope to keep faith with the public creditor, It calculation with a depreciated currency, whilst in me an. root, and the loudest prophecies of total ruin to all the dis- they judge n under ending circumstances. Now
was not a tax which had been Pressed upon the house by the incomes tinder 1501. were exempted, with an appreciated tricts in which it was cultivated ! (Hear, hem.) But, to if these forces are to so maintained—and lam decidedly
I mesent government. The rieht hon. baronet, in reposing mummy. Under mhedule A, including real property, the go beyond this, what was the state of the corn law at that of opinion thatthey should be--(hear, hear)—l cannot foresee
1 h., declared it to be his intention of applying any surplus it amount rated to the income tax for 1814-15 was 60,000,0001. ; time ? If the price of wheat was 679.11 d. &quarter, a duty was such a n ductien in the estimates as will enable us to din
I ersatoct to the remission of duties upon articles of consump- in 1842-3, it was 94,0000,0001. Under mhedule B, including im. osed of 18s. Bd. ; if the thelprice was 635. 11d., tbe duty pewee with the income tax on the sth April, 1849. (Hear.)
I ten; and he offered it, not merely to meet a deficiency, but the occupiers of land, &c., the return for 1814.15 was WOO 11. 3s. Bd. ; if it was 625. 11d., there was a duty of True the hen. member for Warwickshire, while he said he
as a boon to the manufacturing, commeecial, and trading in- 38,000,0001.; in 1842-3, it au 43,000,0001. Under schedule 11. 4s. 11d. I greatly modified all them duties. I proposed would retain the full naval and military complements, inti-
tereate ot the country. But in 1545, when he proposed its C, including the public funds, the regent for 1814.15 was sato to remove all prohibitions upon the admission of mated there wereother items on which greatreeuctionscould
enewal, there was no detkiency—there was, on the contrary, 31,000,0001; M 1842, it was 27,000,0001. Under schedule other classes of articleg, and to Permit their importation be made; but, on coming to particulars, we find that the hon,
a surplus of 5,000,0001., which enabled the right hon. bart. D, including trades and profestions, the return for 1814-15 at certain specified rates. I proposed to admit all member's contemplated retrenchments apply just to the sub•
to say that he was in a position to repeal the tax without was 35,886,0001.; in 1842-3, it wu 64,344,000/. in schedule raw materials at rates of duty not exceeding fine per mnt. ; Mat of educat earl charities, and to raoney paid to the hon.
risking the public credit ; but that he recommended E, including salaries, the amount, in 1842-3, WU consider- to admit all goods partially manufactured at rates not ex- member for Bolton for inquiring into an improved mode of
its continuance for at Halt three Years— he said he ably diminiihed—a fact to which he begged to direct the meding twelve per cent. ; and ell goods wholly manu keeping, the national accounts. (Laughter.) Now, as to
should prefer five year, for the Purnell° of carry- attention of hie hon. friend the member for Montrose. fettered I reposed to admit at rates not exceeding twenty the money pMd to the hon. gentleman opposite, that is
ing out the great experiment of relieving the industry The amount rated tender the heed of salaries to the income per cent. Those propositious were acceded to after repeated clearly irrecoverable. (Laughter.) And as to the other
of the country and the consumer by the rends- tax, for 1814-15, was 13,642,0001. ; in 1842-3 it was discussions. To supply the deficiency thin created in the poseible retrenchment of the hononrabla member fer
sion of duties on various articles. The house was fairly 10,195,0001. The mutt of the whole was, that in 1815 the revenue, I proposed an income tax to last until 1845. In +Warwickshire, I don't believe it would realise a saving
warned at the time that if those duties were taken off they amount rated to the income tax was 179,000,0001. ;in 1842 that year it would have expired in the ordinary course of of 1,0001. a-year, manifestly a small matter. That large
must renew the income tax, the right hon- halmnet dile it was 240,000,0001. It was impossible to give a mere striking things. But lookiag now at the events of that year I beg reductions may be made in the detain of the naval and
tinctly stating that be did not think three years a sufficiently and satishictory proof of the steady increase of the wealth to recall to the recollection of the home what was the state- military expenditure lam clearly of opinion—(hsar, kear,)

—and I am equally of opinion that econoonthmeiyt:hyiauoofniththieeyd:iferbtai:dhateltas
other departments; may be introduced. Nor would I &deo.
cats the contir.uance of the income tax for three years, if I
thought its continuance would operate &stalest the most stria
and searching inquiry into the economy which
may be effected in all the public departments ; but, at the
same time, I would have the house and
there is a degree of economy which in the end proves any.
thing but economical. (Hear, hear.) In 1835 the esti.
mates, indeed, were lower than they have In en sine. •ma TlOl/ , t,
observe, we were very shortly afterwards compelled to miss
I them very materially. (lieu, hear.) I shall support the
Il
. government proposition, because, while • early impala&
dweeithpl the
iemnirenZeidtywfT economy,
trhltr aee La necessity
11 the public credit. (Hear, hear.) Gentlemen opposite, in.
deed, say, " Oh, as to the public credit, there can be no ease.
slion amboourturnaixattaion'n,iigatphapot ;tiwone propose
r the taxestomroervetqtuhaell;b°b:Ma
we entirely concur in the universal feeling is to the news.
city of maintaining the public credit." Yes. very true; bat
I would rather have the income tax in r serve, before wrest
about considering an amended system of tilt Atioll. If 1 new
system of taxation were to be proposed in Fehramy
next, with the certainty of the inoome tax repines
oa the sth of April following, notwithstandine the prolamin
of your determination to support the public credit, 1 shame
be rather apprehensive 011 the subject, should the
scheme by any possibility turn out a failure. (Hear, hems
On the other hand, stn.uld the new scheme answer, it we
i
i
1
be very easy to repeal the income tax. At alt events the
fact of this reserve against necessity will give the opportunity
for more mature co, sideratiou of the subject without shaking
the confidence of the public creditor. (Hear, herr.) / i
cannot conceive it possible that there will be such a redso►
tion in our public expenditure as will cable tit to dispense
with five millions of revenue ; nor do I think it likely that
you will be Prepared by next February with any scheme
which will produce you such an amount at to hole cost in
the collection, and so little onerous in itse.f, so i, me
tax now before us. Had the government found it sae-
lutely necessary to persevere in the larger taxation they a
first prepaid, in order to avoid debt in time of race, so
great is my dreed of the incurrence of such debt, 1 would
have supported them ; but at the same time 1 am far from
blaming them that after the decided expression of public
opinion on the subject thy withdrew the additional 2 per
cent. (lieu, hear.) With reference to the probability of
an increase in the customs revenue, there was wearily
never such a combination of c rcurnstances aff calm that
revenue as that combination of circumstances which has
existed during the past two years, and by ehich the nada(
and commercial energies of this country have beta
paralysed. (Hear, hear.) I find it, therefore, my
duty, in this period of commercial &prance.
to assert my continued adherence to Oh, pm.
ciples on which the remissions I effected took place.
(Cheers.) I have the firmest confidence in the justice of
those principles. (Hear, hear.) Their operation has beta
impeded by that combination of circumstances to which
I have referred, the necessity of supporti g the
people of one of these islands by ten millions of
loan, raised here, the necessity of importing enor-
mous quantities of foreign corn for the consumption
of our own people, the derangements, commercial and mom
tary, which affected our whole commercial and tredineema.
munity ; but these facts, so far from making me regret the
proposals which I made respecting the improvement dour
commercial policy—so far from making me dun truths prin.
ciples on which those proposals were made, hoesser die-
heartening the facts may seem in some respects, have led
me to a totally opposite conclusion—have made me rejoice
that when the relaxations were proposed they were adopted.
(Hear, hear.) I atilt retain a coefideat expectation that the
energies of this country will rite superior to its present tom-
mercial depression, and that we shall live to see the time
when the revenue of the country shell fLurish as it did in
1815, and even with increase. (Hear, hear.) • And here let
me observe, that one of my reasons for wanting to the re-
newal of the income tax fur three year., is precisely the ra.
collection that it was immediately after the yea • at proiperity
to which I refer that the heavy debt and the paralysing or.
cumatinces under which we now suffer were throve upon rue
(Hear, hear.) I must own further that 1 am lam
enced in my support of the tax's continuance ke
three years very materially by reference to the wonder. •
ful events which have taken place within a very
resent period in a neighbouring country. (Hear,
i
hear.) I regard them as amply justifying this country
in not consenting to incur any risk of a large debt in this
period of three years. I should feel it to be utterly Meta.
'aunt with sound policy, with my sense of duty, to make
any detailed reference to events which must have filled ell
here present with utter astonishment. (Hear.) Of this, lets,
say, I am perfectly confident, that the true p dicy of this
country will consist in the most complete, the most absolute
abstinence from all interference whatever in the is.
' terns! affairs of the country in which seek a
wonderful revolution has taken place. (Great cheering.)
I hope we shall continue to be ens led to exercise the rim
of hospitality. (Hear, hear.) I think it is of the utmost
importance that this country should always be enabled to
offer a refuge to the victims of poiieical convulsions. (deer,
hear.) England has been such in other times, and 1 truth
will long continue to be so. When the hospitality of this
country has been taken advantage of to disturb tee peered
other monarcagehiiiesittlried,ll,,uoponha:voer
oaflwthaei.,ts
an abuse being permitted to exist; and I am equally ready
to take the same course with respect to a repubue. (Hew,
hear.) I earnestly trust that this place of refuge, and that ,
the hermit lity accorded to fugitives in this country, Wand
be abused; and that all parties will set their faces 'mint
any ietrigues that may be set on foot: for I hold that the
same rule which applied to a monarchy is equally good wide
respect to are public. I confess that I heard with the green
est satisfaction the declaration from her Majesty's gona
ment that they were resolved to abstain from all interferena
in the internal affairs of France. (Hear, bear ) If thistly
termination be carefully and strictly observed, it will daft.
rage all other nations from any attempts at inter-
ference. I cannot but bear it in ml, mind whin
regarding the present state of things, that }ranee is at this
moment enduring the throes of a great experiment ; and I
therefore am not disposed to attach any importance to de
heats which manifest themselves in the journals of thet
country. 1 look with considerable interest at the asides of
' the Provisional Government that is established, and I cannot ,1
I refrain from expressing my most earnest hopes that those
~
r
re
government
nlgovts h.: treaties,
itt
h: deh,i,dinitests
they
it
ictyhes: :
eigwe ey.tit
ihti
it.
u. fenin,hoebteta,fle,oNosFrench
L ru :a:
ripeopleght
s succeed will
:econtentcnur ieconstituting
secured-by
t tae
existing ma;
I their own social condition. I sincerely hop. thot they may
reconcile the perfect independence of their country with the
dpeeroitesretefodr etgiairrmetermialheg-
I waneglhradamonPemlisearleyloabefaent which will if manifested peril the peace of
Europe, and inflict an irreparable injury on the whole elate
civilised world. (Cheers.)
Lord 0. BENT INUK reminded the house that when the
right hon. baronet who had just eat down passed so high ea
eulogy upon his sagacity and foresight in respect to his mm
merciel policy, he had totally omitted to state that in Hey,
1841, be bad supported two resolutions, on the firs of whisk
Lord Melbourne's government was defeated in toe people-
tion for admitting foreign slave sugar at a fixed duty of lk
The right bon. baronet then said that nut only the interests
but the honour of England demanded the cmunued et'
elusion of slave-grown sugars, whereas in 1846 the how
ina
and the nation learned from the right hou. lum
lips that neither the house nor the intersst of Engla)d it-
quired any such exclusion to be kept up. (Caters. Bat
then came another resolution affecting the duty on foreign
corn, which the government of Lord Melbourne peopled le
fix permanently at Ss., and the right hon. baronet ovisei
that proposition successfully, whilst he now asserted VAN
I never should repent of having finally &Polished all they*
I foreign corn. lie (Lord 0. klentinek) might truly say tit
I the hon. members around him would never cease to ripest
I their misplaced confidence in the right hon. barest.
(Cheers from the benches near the noble lord.) The rigid
hon. baronet had endeavoured to prevail on the hone
to believe that he had introduced the income tax in
1842, with a view to the comm. rcial rewrote in
the tariff to which he had referred. nut when that
right hon. baronet brought in the tax, stated ellt
distinctly, that whilst he did certainly cintehe not
mPlett fineg
the duration of the tax for five years, yet as did in-
tend it to produce more than was absolutely necessary ee
cover the deficiencies in the revenue, he should
en only ask the
la,
house to confirm the tax for three years. Th again,
1843 the right hon. baronet told the houee that
them he al
5,0011,0001. of taxes at his disposal and it wee fo le
say wbetiier they would maintain'the national defences am
the troops and seamen required, as shown by the e tisae.
It was then in the competence of the house to reject
never
the a
I come tax altogether, but the right hon. baronet pi.
any intimation of his intention to la foreign core in fi's
duty. (Laud cries of " Divide.") The right hon. bag
gave no intimation in 184:3 of his intention to revoke OM
protection which he came into power to maintain, addle
protection party supported the re-imposition of theb'egusgi
tan in that year, because they were befooled and
ityrdthhomhoennoteurreareinmwemabegerneforar TTeamviewworthof
flatter
e ,Thugee4netio
question and its results, comparing the latter wall the
prophecies of commercial prosperity uttered by the right
hon. Bart. at Tamworth, in 1847. (Loud cries of" Qaestion.)
He had supported the property tax in 1815, because by
its aid large excise imposts were done away with, sag
with them a great number of excise officers; but the dray
on cotton was a tax which would cost nothing in the
lecting, becau.e the tide waiters who were put on board 1a
ships to prevent the smuggling of tobacco could collectie
cotton duties. His argument was that the tales. we hada
mated were taxes on the industry
their remission had produced no corresponding relief teat
al
home consumer. Such bad been the case with tallow;
on brandy, which previous to the reduction was to be beg
_
for Is. 9d. the gallon in bond, had in 1817 risen to 51.11.. d.
(Ilea, hear.) He would also ask the hon. member if.,
Liverpool whether the increase in the oonsuraPtioe 0
of the forg,and to
brandy, on which that honourable member had co
ngtaa-
luiatethd h. im.ansluf,inhpadtionnot
ofbee Bnrmitiiethhyspairicotirrmeser
mdte.itg dreesq„
or.__,
In the article of timber a similar result might be traceed .. T
price,. which was 4sn. the load before the reduction of dry/
had since then risen to 59e. 41d., and the foreigner =
pocketed 421,0001. by the change. (Hear,
hear.),....:
consequence of the alteration
ski the trugarame.
hupBs4 ,
00010
i0b1:10
corn
n i, tyoeha
year,
duty, Britishand.hwhich
i if
hcoe
theyli :foreign
w lastei nre
itti:dion. :wird. :it nth.
he
lild !here°apii.,:r. waiw.r: :_;in
they would have produced 1,747,0001. Hi,
was no advocate of aggreenon on France, for there
tawa I°.
tame
gentleman in that house who had looked with ewes_ t.
not tedn.dthortairetrhoidurereydetuctioeforanthooeflitclochunee mvithe.e.nupAere.l:thnoteonP:emarsoktlieuapt
ow:the:steal;
minstion on the moderation recently displayeedbytth. FT':
people. (Hear, hea.) He did not believ lelStaPciT,
corded an instance of conduct so magnanimous tad lu

YY.
but because the noble lord to,
When he was removed from
he could prove by dr cumenti
tude. It was in consequence
the noble lord had brought ap
his character, that discussion
between them. The correll
tween the noble lord, N
had bees q
~ uoted in t
He called upon the ni
respondence before the boi
it would be seen that be ha
moved from office, but mere
I for injuries he had sulferei
menta made by the emboss
which currency bad been
had brought charges against
hely, and it was after that
i him. His course had been c
I the end. He called upon tl
tract the words he used on
ti ' pitted corrupt motivis to hi
the table the whole of the c
I
I'
Lord PALMERSTON' hi
what was his impression o
qui hon. member to make tl
:salon corroborated by tb
.• removal from office had
a opinions as to his (Loi
o expressed. (Hear,
, .
.ed on a former occasio
, gilleed for tho purpow
moral policy. Idle op
ember's motives might
acong, but he could not