The Express.
London, England, 1851-03-19 00:00:00

TIIE KEW HOUSE OF COMMONS.

Lord DUNCAN, pursuant to notice, asked the hon.
meniber for Icarcest•r kMr. Grecne) the three following
ipi. stains .--When Lie new 'louse of COMMOVI/ will be
reek for the nee-ption of numbers? Whether the gilding
of tfii roof not other costly divuratioex of the new flume '
of Cinnm,no, lure b., I/ introduced under the sanction and
by the ord, rof the Commissioners of the New l'alace of
Westminster ? What prusisi 111 l has been made for a better
snooty of water in ease of any Muir,. aceident by its
Mr. (ME ESE. fu snide to the first question. would only
say that he had seen Mr. Barry. who said that as soon as
the' walls of the house .in of the adjoining lobbies were
stolid. ratty dry the house would be completed. With
respect to the second qu,stion. the desire of the
time, a. expressed by the commission, rs was, that
the 'lowa. of Cuntm.m. should bu in as plain a
form nail in as strung and direct • contrast with
the 11011.: of Lords no might be possible. (" Hear,
Ar," and langhter.) Some time afterwanle the commis-
siouers authorised the introduetim of painted glass. There
were no w rite of instructions. hut the fueling appeared to be
th it this should h dme. Mr. Ilan understoigl it to be
the desire of the house that it :should he carried out. In
justice to Mr. Parry he felt it right to state that ha had
perhaps not understood to its NU extent the desire of the
h*se4: for plainnem of deeor.:•.ion ; but as soon as he was
informed of it he put a stop to a great portion of these de-
corations. The roof was then finished, and Mr. Barry did
not think it would he right to have it taken off for the re-
aoral of the paintings. as the process would have been ex-
pensive. But the house when they came to sit there would
he better able to Judge whether they should be removed or
not. At present it would not be expedient to go
to the expense of moving. Mr. Barry writing to
Wu said that all the parts with the exception of

thaae connected with heraldic emblazonment were of
the plainest characr r rawiptent with the architectural
design. The cieliog decorations hail Nen introduced as a
relief to the heavy expanse of oak, and tbr facilitating thc
lighting of the house. (Sn we uaderstood the hon. gentle-
MM. abe was imperfectly heard.) With respect to the
third question, he unable to give any answer to his
hl, frienail been no port made immediately
t noo
the commissioners, d. There h
because the supply of water belonged
to the department of Woods and Forests. He understood
tie it a statement hail been made by his noble friend that
the supply of water was not sufficient, mail that was cout-
munie:ltea to the commissioners.
Mr. TIIORNELY asked if the commissioners hail
thought of obtaining a supply of water (you the Thames ?
Mr. GREENE replied that he had airily stated the
supply of water rested entirely with the Woods and
Forests.
THE POLICE.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR asked if the right hon. the Home
Secret try hail made inquiry roncsruing the ease of a youag
min who le el 11.•im :ticked up with others on a Saturday
bii:ht instil Mnuolay moorniota.
•ior G. GlitEl. had rereived n report from the police corn-
' missiouirs, and found that on the occasion alluded to by the
hoot. twimber, two per...nettled been apprehended on Sltur-
ol iy tra oint, charge ii with picking pockets in Hyde-park.
The police others let big closed they were locked up until
Monday morning, when they were examined before a ma-
gistrate. Onc of them was aiseltargt.,l, and the other was
rummitted.
Subsequently, during the prorecelen. me of the house,
Mr. F. O'CONNOR again rose, and- asked if he properly
tenoler-tiood the right hon. Honer Secretary to my that the
perain to whom he had alluded in his question had been
s., t,, tiltEY asked to which of the two persons the
loon. gi oitii moo referred. (A laugh.) The attention of the
1e li otiamiii-ioners has ing been drawn to the case—no
application ti ,e in; been made to them front the parties sup-
iit - Ito be injured, who were generally ready enough to
tempt:in -thee sent him a statement, the sulsstance of
which he lee( just Hated to the hon. gentleman. Of the
anti the para., he knew nothing.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said it wa, no laughing matter when
'wrote. wren wrongfully put in prison, and that he should
ask the question again. He also Isire testimony to the re-
spertability of the person whose rise lie had adviseuted.
After some unimportant conversatiou as to the business
of tie, Lowe,
Mr. C. ANSTEN' gave notice to hie hon. friend the
member for Lambeth, that to-morrow, when he asked leave
to bring in his bill for the betterobservance of the Sabbath,
he should put a question on the subject of a statement
which had gone forth that the expenses of the saltation for
that measure had defrayed out of the parish funds by

the vest 7 of the pari.h.
Mr. %. WILLIAMS .aid that as far as he knew, no such
m.ney had been expended, and 1w Inslievill the vestry too
honest to dispose of wiri‘la owner to such a purpose.
CtS*lO3lS 110A1tD.
Mr. 'MITCHELL informed the house that he had
given notice of motion for. Friday, the 21st, for a committer
to inquire into the management of the customs, and he
thouolit it right to ,late that it •a. the intention of the go-
vernusent to gr.ent the committee he asked.
TITRE RENT CRAILGE (IRELAND).
Mr. BADLEIR. moved • resolution to sub,titute for the
existing mode of varying the 'amount of tithe-rent charges
in Ireland, a self-actin:: sptem, whereby the amount shall
oiljustcil to the nvery.n. price• of corn, as in England. lie
repee.ented this as an object of very great practical im-
portance to owners and occupiers of land in Ireland, and
explained at much length the objectionable incidents of the

Irish-system.
Sir 4. 61tF.Y said this subject was one of great per-
pk.ejty, requiring an oeuednation of °Mutt- details and acts
of {ornament, awl he ttioughi the lion-c should not pledge
it. If to a it:articular tour, of proceeding without having a
definite scheme before it by which the resolution could be
carried out. If Mr. Solicit would mot. mote for leave to
bring in a bill, he, on the part of the government, was pre-
pared to give his roneent.
Alter a brief Mr. Sena'', tit consented to with-
&sew hi• motion, and to tuner for leave to bring in a bill.
THE INFANT RAJAH OF SATTAItA.
Mr. ANSTEY then called the attention of the home to
the alleged oh-erection offered to the claims of the infant
Rajah of Sattare in Cie demi el of a hearing before the l'rivy
Council, and meted a '.solution that the mutters alleged in
the petition pre.....ited by the next friend of the rajah de-
wined the serious consideration of the house.
The motion not being seconded, it fell to the ground.
ECCLESIASTICAL -TITLES BILL.—ADJOURNED
DEBATE.
The adjourned debate an this bill was resumed, in the
absence of Mr. M. MIL:See, by
Mr. BLEWITY, who admiring, as he did, the ante-
cedent,. of the noble lord (Lord J. Russell), should say
the present measure was inconsistent with his en-
tire previous political career, and therefore he (Mr.
Blew itt) regarded his departure from that original
course with moire...tett sorrow slut relict. (Hear, hear.)
It was to his mind a matter of deep astonishment that, after
a life laliorious exertion to dispel the clouds of intolerance.
and ..etarianion, and after succeeding in producing a state
of nil., and tianqbetween
uillity catholic and protestant,
the nom, lord should now come forward in the sable garb
of Wee' -(a latigh)—to rake up anew those dormant pre-
judice+and untipathiex.(hear, hear) One would Rup-
p.uc that the noble lord had never read history until the
past year; for all that he had said about the unchanging
unol unchangeable nature of the church of Rome must have
been well known to the noble lash in UM, when he so
eto nueudy advocated catholic emancipation. (Hear.)
But he (Mr. Blewitt) would Ile no party to reviling the re-
ligious practice. of any •A t of bee fellow-countreneen
•• superstitious mummeries." (Hear, hear.) Much as had
hecit said about Ow«• bulk and pastorale, and inflated and
'semitone as they undoubtedly were, he should confess
they .li.l not in ant way interfere with his appetite or injure
his digestion. (.. Hear," and a laugh.) Ile did not believe
that either the Pope or the Cardinal intended insult to the
Queen. It ehould be recollected that the catholic church,
like the protestant, was episcopal, and without bishop' the
organieet of either would be ineomplete. The bill would
be inoperative, because it was not framed to meet any of '
the mischiefs intended to be nprceted by it. The art was
a uwless and irritating one, and therefore he supported the
amendment that it be read a second time that day six
months. (flyer, hear.)
Sir It. LOPES felt hound, on behalf of the important
constituency he represented, to any that so far from their
not wishing for any legislation on the suhjcrt, they felt ex-
eetelinglr digappointol at the inefficacy of the measure
brought 'forward. In giving his a-sent to the second reading
of the bill, he hoped sonic clauses would be introduced in
commits, .of a salutary and rigorous nature. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. W.tLTEIt should contend that, notwithstanding
all that had been w.i.l to the contrary, the act of the Pope
woe an *cert....ion ;mot a usurpation. It was an aggs.sion,
berau.e it s Whine' the provisions of the act of Inel, under
which catholic. derived their right to sit and legislate in
that 'lenge. (Hear, hear.) With respect to the particular
chum. in that act, he should observe be had heard
it misquoted at last a dwelt timeg in the course of
the present debate. He had heard it contended
by Boman catholic, and admitted by protestant, members
that that particular clause Ten-trot only to existing sees at
that period. (Hear, hear.) Now, he considered the chute
rednetine Boman catholic ecelesimtice from assuming
titles within the United Kingdom was intended to upply
in every cow, future as well as present, notwitledand-
ing the opinion of the right hon. baronet the. mem-
ber for Relent (Sir James Graham) to the contrary.
liis (Mr.Waltee.) quarrel with the Pope and Cardinal
men was, nod that they exercised spiritual control over the con-
wiener. of Roman catholic., but that they claimed territorial
jurisdiction in this country. It was no answer to say that
the document in which that claim was made was hut the usual
form of papal documents. It was an assertion of spiritual
dominion and territorial jurisdiction, and, as such, he ob-
jected to it. They must protest against the eneroachments
of • church whichlacked the power, indeed, but not the will
to make Rend its pretensions. lie denied the validity of the
argument 'of his hon. and learned friend the member for'
Plymouth, that tweauee they granted chit privileges and
eious tolenition to the Roman catholic*, they were bound to
tolerate the full development of their ecclesiastical schemes.
Such a policy would be suicidal, and no government of
this country could so abdicate its functions as to permit it.
Such a policy if allowed in this country would produce
odmilar reeult+ to what had taken place in Sardinia. Did
the conduct which was pursued toward. a minist. r of that
country. because he discharged the duties of his office in a
ronecieutieus manner. come within the definition of spirit.tal
toleration ? That act was an act rather of spiritual domi-
nion, and the state was bound to protect its subjects
against such dominion. (hear, hear.) It might be true
that the Pope was led to believe that the country was on the
eve of a great Ronan catholic movement. Ile knew that
many Humus catholic• held erroneous ideas as to the state
of religious opinion in this country ; that they took the acts'
of a few bewildered den/I-men and weak laymen and women
AA the real feelings of the people of England. (Hear.) They
could now we, 110ACITr, that they had not abandoned their
strong feeling* against the pre tensions of Horne. Sure he was
of this, that if the people of this country thought there was
any danger of the spread of the Boman catholic system—if
they believed that thee were to be expand to the danger
of having priests interfering at the bcd-side of the dying,
even though they should be miaers, and intercepting
their means front their relatives, if they thought that the
system of the confessional was to be generally introduced,
and that the daughters of their protestant fellow-country-
men were geeturect into convent., whilst the courts of law
'rooled them no pretection, they would he very much dig-
Ocvlto mkt. the law into their own hands. (hear, hear.)
ould not oppose the bill because Ireland was included
in it. though he should have been equally contented to
exclude that country from its operation. (Hear, hear.)
But that country scorned to have such a prescriptive. right
to every species of abase and misrule that he supposed it
was found necessary to include it in the bill. (Hear, hear.)
An hon. gentleman (Sir W. Barron) said that if the bill
passed, every mau in Ireland who could serape 10/. together
would leave the country. That was au additional reason
why he (Mr. Walter) should support the measure for re-
sisting every aggression of the see of Rome. (e Mar," and
laughter.) Ile thought the noble lord might have produced
• immure which would have been more worthy of the ex-
pectations which he had raised. He should, however, sup-
port it in the hope that in committee it might be nudered
more worth of the occasion which had called it forth.
(Hear, hem.
Mr. ANS Y said that the speech of the hon. member
who had just spoken was anything but calculated to allay
the feeling of irritation whiedi had been evoked in IteLena
by the introductiou of this bill. But he did not believe
that the sentiments of the hon. gentleman were shared even
by the members of the =cent= nt, who introduted the
measure. Hon. gentlemen who so glibly railed at the Ito-
man catholic religion and the papacy should be made aware