The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-06 00:00:00

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PERIAL PARLIAMENI.

HOUSE OF LORI/S.—FRIDAY, MAT s
The Loan CHANCELLOS took his scat at 5 o'clock.
PUBLIC BISINIOM.
FIRST ARADING.--Jewish Dieatnibies hdh
FETITIONd.-By the Earl of Hsuowieer., from the shipowners of
the port of London, praying for en inquiry into the naristesien, 1e..-
Lord CaNrlnt.l., awn the Jew. of relit.tmegh. and from ninon' deno-
minations 01CM-embus', amending to toward/to( 3,000; from stook-
port and Hafting*, In favour of ties Jewish MI.-Lord
titTAiii.uT, Earl of Hawn., ar, and tont DE uvaoter, from resent
lodges of Odd Fellows, in favour of the bill fur legalising Odd Fellows
societies.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The royal assent was given by commission to the following
bills, viz , the Elect.on ltecoguisances and the Leicester
Cemetery Dills. The Lords CoMmiwioners were the Lord
Chancelior, the Earl of Seefteshure. and Lord Campbell.
JEWltili DISABILITIES BILL.
The Mergeis ot LANSDOWNE, in moving the first read-
ing of this bill, acid he we. aasiosi to lie a distant diy for
the second reading, but Do further postponement would take
place ; and he would therefore move the second reading ea
the 18h lest.
LAW REFORM.
Lenl BROUCIDA xi said he would bring forward hie
measure on law reform, which he hail tixed fur the 18th
hut., on the previous Tuesday, the 16th.
AFFAIRS OF SPAIN.
Lord STANLEY no., not without s
me
o reluctamisence,rs
he
the performance of the. which repeated to him an
use public duty, for the purpose tat calling their lordships'
attention to, and moving ter, a c irrespondenes which had
appeared its all the pubiiu papers of the metropolis, with
reference to Spain, the come...nen or which he could
not hope her Majesty's g tvernmeid were
sable to impugn,
and the propriety of which he wa. sure their lordships would
doubt. But it was one to the government that they
should have an epporunity of publicly giving any explana-
tion or exteneation of that which appeared to Km
to be incapable of jestitieation; and that their loristdpe
sheala sin have an opeortunity of expressing the sentimenq
with which Ceo perusal of BLit eorrespendence het inspired
them. He made this illusion in no spirit of hostility to the
government ; and with r gard to the noble viscount himself,
whose conduct it was his painful duty to bo obliged to impugn
on that oseasion, he entertained ne feelings but those of
respect anil r, gard for him. But this was not the first time
be hail been obliged to allude to the conduct of the noble
viscount as foruigii sceretary. The noble viscount's adini•
nistration of foreign allure had lien dictated by an animus
which h a him to the adoption, of measure's detrimental to
the interests ..f this Country. It appeared to him bat there
Were two ruling and fixed ideas with regard to the adminis-
tration of the foreign atfsirs of this couutry which had taken
possession of his mind, the one was en overstrained jealousy
of the influence-as he chose to cousider it-the rival in-
fluence of France in the various countries of Europe and the
world; and the other, a inorltal desire of interfering
and internieddling (with a view, no doubt, in his judgment,
to the promotion ot British interests) with the affairs of
other countriee, which he (Lord Stanley) held it to be the
duty of the British go
vernmant moat satresUy to abstain
from. And when the noble viscount bad an opportunity of
interfering in the adieux of another country, and at the same
time eseateishing en Enalisis party and English influence, iu
opposition to a FreLca party anti French influence, there
was no hope of his abst.unine from doing so. Ile (Lord
Stanley) had not been brought up in diplomatic 'schools, and
perhaps he did not view in the. Cline manner as the noble
viseenut several of those pilots which appeared to be the
principal objects to which tic efforts and intrigues of minis-
ters of foreign ceuatries were dine:rd. Ile did no. think it
• matter of serious import, of paramount interest, to t .is
country that one minist r should be s oiplanted, and another
placed in his stead tiy court intriguein another couutry-least
of all did he Udall i. ce old over be advantageous to this coun-
try, that the:disminial ed one minister or the appointment of
another, should be using 'o the open, much less the con-
cealed and secret, interven ion of a mini.ter of Eneland.
He knew of no adveetage to be galled to British Maurine
by such a 1:01.t•Mi. (Watt, hear.) He ululated the im; ort.
ance of maintaining hi. lolly relations with all the princip
.1
powers of Europe, on awh terms that our enetay.s should
not be liable to be mi,underatoud, or our ietervention re-
garded with disfaecur ; bet the interests of England were
Scot maintaiaed ens. upheld by &betel, ing from interfering
with the purel) domes in c income of any other country.
(Rear, hear.) And it this were true of any country, and
of every country, it was enipticically true of the moat
jealous and the proudest country ot the world, namely, of
Spain. (Hear, bear.) lie knew of no interests which
this country had with reference .
worldci, except
that the other nati ins of the should be
wealthy, prosperous, tottentol, and increasing
in commercial prosperity.
(Hoar, hear.) We bad no
ambition of fortien conquest; we desired to be
reepeeted, and looked up to; to conduct our own affairs to I
the honour and proserroy of the country ; and we ought
to have nu wish to interfere with the internal arrangerecnt
of other states. (Ilear, hear ) In the last session of palm-
merit he called atfention to an isrerference of the govern-
meet in the affeirs of Portugal, but their lordships did not
concur with him on that eccasion. The subsequent events,
however, In that country hid strengthened the opinions
which he then entertained. was uue that by our inter•
vention we had put down the insurrection in Spain ; that
we establ•shed the see, reign o( Portugal on • previously
tottering throne ; and te. y were told if they did not inter-
fere in the affair. ot Poe ugal, France and Spain would
do so. lie ventured, however, to doubt the fact;
he doubted whether France lied the sightest idea of inter-
fering in the affairs of Portugal. This country declared,
that they guaranteed to Inc Portuguese, certain constitu-
tional rights, for which they were then in arms ; but he
'eked the government, could they say that those guarantees
had been acted up to? Could they icy the. Queen of Por-
tugal had Milled hie engngements, on the conditions of
which she obtained the atoned interference of England ?
(Hear, bear.) Had we inerear d our influence in Portugal
by such iuterterence f he tnouebt not. In the course of the
present session they had Mole nething but interfere; he said
nothing of Greece, but he would for a moment aliude
to
Italy, and he need not say, their lordships had been deprived
of the valuable assistance et the Lord Privy Seal (the Earl
of Minto) in that heuse for a coneidereile time, because his
lordship had been sent on a mieeion to Italy. They were
told, he was the person to " ride on the whirlwind and direct
the storm; " they were told he was the person to control
the violent writ of Italy; to prevent the effusion
of blood ; that he was the person to work
oat the constitutUnal rights and growing liberties of Italy-
but what had been the result ? Did they believe their In-
fluence in Italy had b. en increased by it ? Did they b. litre
that their iuter:sreuce in Italy was justified ? If it were
COMpetilit for them ta form a judment as to the extent to
which Itaion liher y to be careried, did they think they
had increased their isitiuenee th• re ? He knew not, if it was
the desire sit the Bri tub ministers that the Two Sioilii sshLuld
be separated, how that would affect the interests of England.
He knew not what it mattered to us whether there should
be one parliament or two in Neples, but they had thought fit
to interfere there, and what had been the result ? A comtie
tution had been extorted forsoothe King of Naples-a flee
and liberal constitu ion, but one of the leading
articles of which, adopted under thn mediation and, he pre-
turned, with the sanction o' the Brit:sh minis'cr, w
tolerated;ni-
that no religion bat the Roman cathelic should be
and their ambassedor accredited to the King of Sicily was
now eneaged in a Mal war ageinst him. As to Rome, diffi-
cultic, stood in the way ot diplomatic relations with the
Pope ; and they were told, some two months ago,
that the immediate paeshig of an act was xeeessary to the
removal of such ob.eacits ; but some " change bad come
over the spirit of the dream," for from that time to this
they had heard no more as to the necessity of that bill.
The govetriment had thought it r., cessary to warn Austria
against an invasion et our f inlaid ally the King of Sardinia;
and they had tteought it necessary to say that such an inva-
sion would not be looked on with indifference by this coun-
try. They add also, and co d eibt truly, although they
would not hey it inforo parliament, that they had held simi-
lar language to the King ef Sardinia with regard to his in-
terference with other countries; and yet with our minister
accredited in Italy, contrary to our advice, the King of Kir.'
dinie, the Pope, and the Grind Duke of Tuscany, one and
all, bad in the presence of our diplomatic agent and ambas-
sador, engaged in an unproveked invasion of a foreign and
friendly power, to whom they addressed that caution.
(Cheers.) Such was the effect of their intervention in Italy;
such was the result of their ambassador and envoy's
influence there; and did they believe they had
established themselves in the mind and affections
of the people of Italy by their political transactions in that
country ? He firmly believed the greatest danger which
threatened the peace of Europe was this: that Austria should
temporarily at ell events succeed in establishing ber power in
a portion of the Milan se dotainieu, ;: and if she did succeed,
it was not to them, the moderators of the storm, and the
director and controllers of the liberties' of Europe-it was
not to them that the Milanese wouln have recourse-they
would be outbidden in the race of popularity. It was not
to them that revelutiona7 I aly would turn, but to that
pat
rephyublican ',ranee who di not hesitate to declar her sym-
with oppressed nationality. (Cheers.) it was to
them, and not to us, that alipl cation would be made; and
whatever popularly they might tide k they had obtained by
encouragiog the people of 1t..1y in endeavouring to obtain a
=or, popular form of government, their popularity would be
altogether eclipsed by France. Ile referred to this, because
be thought they weru counter working their own
intentions, and damaging and defeating their own
legitimate influence. And if such a course of intereentien
was obnoxious to any country in Europe, it was more so to
Spain than any other. Moreover, inhere was one man in
Spain who entertained more proud feelings than another-
more jnalousy fen in r:crence-it was e minister to
whom themettle lor:. had :t derswtd the short arithd pithy lett( r
wh'eh he was then lib nat to se id. Oa the 16th of Meath the
noble viscount addressed, Cum the For, igit-office, the follow-
ing letter to Mr. Balite, :
To Ton 'Wort. 1103$. lIRPRT LTITON Befwea.-Foreignoffico,
March 16, IR 10.--f•ir„ -I have to recommend you to advise the Spa-
nish gevernment to elope n legal and emunitutional spina. The
r cent de.watatt n 1 the felon it the French and his family, and the ez-
puleion of his minetteni, ought to Mille-am to the Spanish court mood
government the danger to which they expose themselves In endw-
eouring to govern a country in a meaner opposed to the sentiments
and opinions of tie nation ; and the catastrophe which lutenist oc-
curred In ',mum is *efficient to show that even a numerous and well.
disciplined army offers only an insufficient defenoe to the crows,
when the eyston tenoned by it is not hi harmony with the general
system of the country. The Queen of Spain would sat wisely in the
present critic:l mate of affairs, if Mlle were to et
inistration
erngthen her execu-
tive gareannant, Ly widening the banes on which the adm
rep we, and In rainug to her CO.incils sumo of the men In whom Una
literal party place, ounfl 'enee. -I hive, Scc., PALNiesoreie.
(Nolo-ay nn mom to the parliamentary report in the Commons
of yotterdsy, it will he seen Lewd John issell stated that the above
differs with the original, by omt.ting the ,lotlowing words :a the coin.
meneement of the opening pentanes:-elf an opportunity should
arise for so doing." Min I hove, ace
lie uid not Luuvr whet their iordahips might think of such
an extraord very pr eluetion, lost the more he read it the
MOM bo wa. et a
.lui, t oano or hnorine what pereible
View the LotOc vuicouns propoted to his mind's

eye--what imaginable motive he could have in writing that
letter, except to obtain the answer which it had Produced.
(Hear, hear.) And he did not know which meet to admire,
the subject, so peculiarly domestic on which the inoffensiveterference
by
had taken place ; the armament so peculiarly
which that interference was made; or the tone in which
the sentiments of the Foreign moretery were WU-
veyed to the first minister of Spaan. (Cheers.)
Bet they must not look at it by imelf ; they must connect
with it the position of Spain and England at that moment,
and they would And such an interference peculiarly inappro
prime at that ihne. Ile must early their lordships back
to the time when his noble friend behind him (the Berl of
Aberdeen) quitted aloe, and when negotiations were going
on with regard to the marriage of the young Queen of Spain.
At that time and before the noble viscount ease into office
there were two parties in Spain, one supposed to be mere or
less in the intetest of England and the other more rr lees in
the int rest of France. But when the noble earl quitted
office there was the most cordial harmony on the subject
between the governments of France and England, and he
believed if his note friend had continued in enter the diffi-
cult negetisiion as to the Spanish marriages would have ter-
minated to the perfect satisfaction of both countries and the
effectual peace of Europe. From the moment, however,
that the noble viscount came into office, instead of mutual
and frank understanding between the two govern-
int nts,_ jealousy and mutual misunderdendiim aroma.
The French government believed the noble viscount
and ulterior objects in view and was deposed to de-
part from the arrangement which had been made ; and
Iron mutual distrust, the noble viscount found himself out-
witted by the government of France, and was not very mo-
di rate in the repression of hi, resentment. lie (Lord Stan-
ley) repueiated tne idea of a young sovereign being snerifired
to the intereets of a particular party ' • and if it were 110/ the
retributive hand of 'Providence had deprived the individual
said to be the instrument, of his own throne. (Hear, hear.)
When the Infanta of Spain, a refugee from the land of her
adoption, took retuge here, and when it was intended
that
d that
she should return to her natural home, it was reporte
objections were made on the part of her Majesty's govern-
ment, and that that opportunity was taken of showing some
resentment. (liter, hear.) It was said that objections
were taken to the Infanta going from this country to Spain;
but he hoped there was no truth in these reports. Whatever
might bare been the objector that marriage, the clreumetsm-
oes and the time ought to have removed all feeling of &nine's:Rye
(Hear, hear.) And whatever might have been the prevional
eunduct of the Qaeen of Spin, and other•
parties interested,
he should never tease to thihk, if such • coupe were pur-
sued towards the Infanta of Spain, not only that it was on-
justifiable and impolitic, but th it it was • golden opportunity
lost of pursuing • course at once generous and politic, by
giving the sister of the Queen of Spain an asylum here as
long as she wished to enjoy it; and then permitting her to
go tree from this country to her own. (Hear, h
ne ear. l
)N From
the moment of that marriage, although Gera
IMO not then the prime minister of Spain, the greatest
*Way existed between the governments of England and
Spain. The later was supposed to he under the influence of
France. 'rho proceedings of the moderado party wire always
*emu cted wits French influence in the mind of the foreign
minister here; and it was then and htill believed that the
British government was mixed up with the progretieta
party. Therefore, of all persons to give advice, with regard
to the management of the internal affair, of Spain, the noble
viscount was the lead man who could have offered it
with a posthility of its being received, especially when
it came through Mr. Bulwer. What right hat this
country to interfere? What matter wee it to us whether the
government of Spain wan republican or a limited or unlimited
monarchy, so as it satisfied the people of Spain ? (lie ar,
hear.) And what were the motives for the, teterferenee—
the promotion of the peace, welfare, and prosperity of Spain ?
No, it was the basest motive which could be applie to a
spirited government. Reference being made to the down-
fall of the King of the French, and the expul.inn of hi,
ministers, the noble lord intimated to the Spanish ministers
the danger, not to the country hut to themeelves, in endea-
vouring to govern according to the mode which they thought
beet, and reeommeoded 'change of policy, by • reference to
the possible danger of the parties to whom the advice was
given. Wiiy, was not that the very means of calling up
every high and noble feeling against such advice ? But, at
the moment this advice was given, there was no occa-
sion for it. (Hear, hear.) The het war stated in
the answer of the Duke of E•tomayor, that, at the
moment when the noble viscount wrote, there was not
the slightest discontent or disoffeetion. There had
been, bet the existing government had succeeded in
putting it down, and, at the moment at which they wrote,
there wee no violation of legal and constitutional maxims.
The Cortes was sitting, the press was entirely free, and
according to the laws and constitution 14 Spain. That con-
etitution might not he sufficiently liberal, but that wee a'
question entirely beside this—{hear, heart—but, at the Dim I
meet when Lord Palmerston wrote to the Spanish govern-
ment, they were moving strictly in a " legal and constitu-
tional" course, and were intimating no intention to violate
either the one or the other. On the 21th of March, after
the date of the, letter, stimulated no doubt by the chance of
a suecesenal revolution in France. there was an attempt
in Madrid et an insurrection against the exist-
ing government. It did not threaten greater danger
than the Chartist movement on the 10th of April—
(hear)—and it was put down with very little loss of life, but
the goverament had surmounted the danger to which the
nohlu viscount had referred. Far be it from him to suppose
what had been the cause of Mr. Bulwer's delay in commu-
nic iting the instructiont of Lord Palmerston, but the commu-
nicative of the noble viscount meet have been received about
the 23rt1 er 21th of March, about the very time of that mouth
rection,and Mr. Bolster might have doubted whether the ar-
gumeets of the wade viscount were necessary when such an
insurrection had been put down, and waited for fresh Sin- '
structions ; but it was not till the ith of the full wing
month, a fortnight after he had received the letter, that he
addressed the following note to the Duke of Somme) or :
Tee re Eaeeu.eYet TIM Sell•IIATOR. —Madrid, April 7,
IR enclose for emir excellency the copy of same reenarka
which Lord P 11121.1.4111 hie lately addressed to me; and I cannot but
express to )ou all the desire which I feel that the government of Asir
Catholic Majesty should deem it tit to retcnt without delay to the
ordinary forms of the government estebliebed in Spain, by uonvoking
the Cortes and by gis ing them explanatums ealeniched to Orate the
Impresiiimeoccasiuned both In the II ingdisn and abroad, by the arrest
and apparent Intention to banish several citicena (amongst whom are
to be found some of the mint distinguisliiiil members of the oireet
who up t o the present moment have neither been oriel WIC accused of
any arose. Your excellency will, lam sure, permit me to remind
you, that what especially Ilistinguished the cause of queen Isabella
, from that of tier royal coils titor, was the promise of constito tonal
! liberty isecrresil on the b inner tit Ootholic Me rag. It is Certain
that that circumstance pose, folly contributed to obtain the sympathy
and support of Great Britain in favour of Mr Majesty ; eel conse-
quently your uzerreney cannot be surprised at the methylene, ankh
este ens here, ...meowing men that the general situation of Europe
and the universal tendency of public opinion del not prove meet
clearly that at present the ermeat gum asters of a throne are to be
found hi the national liberty and in the enlightened justice which
are diapews d under its authority. I avail myself of the occasion to
terew to your excelleney the assurance of my higboit consideration.
Beevrea.
He took upon himself a fortnight after the suppression of
this insurrection to inform the government of Spain that he
thought it necessary " That the govenimern of her Catholic
Majesty should return without delay to the ordinary forms
of th 3
e overnment established in Sain, b the
Cortes and by giving them explanations calcy ulated toconvoking t tram
the impressions occasioned both in the kingdom and abroad,
by the arrest and apparent intention to banish s.veral
eitiz^ns (amengst whom are to be found some of the meet
dietingutehen members of the Cortex) who up to the present
moment have neither been tried nor accused of any oftence."
What would be the indignation of any man hi thin country,
if, when their lordships were called en to pass a temporary
bill restricting the liberty of the subject in Ireland, aminister
I of any other nation should think proper to ad tress their
lordships,—not in the name of his sovereign, but himself,—
and say that there was no necessity for such •
measure, and that the time was come fir reenr-
ieng to the ordinary course of the law? (Hear, hear.)
And yet the interference of the noble viscount in Spain was
precisely of that character. (Hear, hear.) The government,
however, had repudiated this principle of interference on a
rec, nt occasion, when it pleated the people of France to
change their form of government, although he could nut be-
lieve that a tepublican government would command te
sympathy of her hMajesty'sministers. They could not loohk
upon it as likely to further the interests of France or the
peace of Europe, but they admitted the right of each country
to manage its owe affairs as it might think beat—and previ-
°wily they had not advised Louis Philippe te widen the
basis of hi. administration by admitting M. Thies and H. G.
Bareot into the government They hail also lauded the
waned
ewer of M. Lamertine to the Irish deputation, and expressed
a determination not to interfere with the internal &Sails of
France ; and wlty did they act on a different principle with
regard to Italy, Spain, and Portugal? Was it because
th-y thought France more powerful? (Hear, hear.) But
there wan a meaning left yet to till up. the cup of indignity.
Let their lorthips listen to the motive expressed by Mr.
Bulwer:—" Your excellency will, I am sure, permit me to
remind you, that what especially distinguished the cause
of Queelsabella loom that of her royal commtitor,
woo the as
promise of constitutional liberty. inscribed on
the banner of her Catholic Majesty, It Is certain that
teat eircutirtance powerfully contributed to obtain the
eympathy and support of (Arent licitain in favour of
her Majesty; and consequently your excellency cannot
be surprised at the sentiments which I express here."
A Brttith etatesman hail no right to be guided by his sym-
pathies ; he was bound to act en right and reason: and let
it be granted that the Queen of Spain can indebted for her
throne to tho co-operation and &existence which she derived
from England, if the had any spirit she would rather forfeit I
that throne than admit the right of tooth, r power to dictate
hi her, an independent sovereign, as to the administration of I
the stairs of her 'tote. (Hear, hear.) His noble and gel
lent friend (the Duke of Wellirytton) had done much fur
Spain; it was not, however, for the support of ono party or
another, but to assist a struggling people in • war of nationi.l
independence—to rescue Spina from foreign aggreeion and
make her a powerful and independent nation. (Hear, hoar.)
And lie felt sure that his noble and gallant friend would
have rut his right hand off rather than have allowed it to
sign • document reminding the Queen of Spain of such
assistance as a reason for interfering in the internal affairs of
her state. (Hear, hest.) Before the communication of the
insert viscount wale made to the D devotedtomy it was
inserted in a Spanish newspaper to progresieta
interests. It might be the result of careleasnem, but
it did not tend to soaks the belief of the Spanish ministry
that the British government wee engegcd in a domestic
intrigue spinet the party then in power. The answer if
the Duke of Sotomayor he would not read, but he was cure
their lordships who had seen it meat have felt shame ter
theinselvm and fur the minister who had called down upon
htnieelf, and through him, upon them, such a rebuff as he
believed no fereigi, minister was ever compelled to submit to
before, and such as a gentleman in private life would not
have received with impunity. The despatch was returned
ai unworthy of the dignity of the sender or the pereon to
whom it wee addressed, aud it was said that if similar cone-
municathoo were made they would he sent back to the mi-
nister inmotieed and unanswered. " lemlet hoec oppruhrin

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MAY 6, 1848.

medies was most improper. With respect to the lumen,
whichUd been conferred ow Mr. builwer, he world pay
nothing, because he wee aware that it was intended to be-
stow is nature the rev fit transactions in Spain had occurred.
However, if be h►d to advise his noble friend at the
head of foreign affairs, he would recommend to him toueparate
by a few mouths the conferring of that distinction and the
comMbsion of one of the greatest diplomatic blunder, that
ever occurred. He
ro begged also to strut that he entirely die-
approved of the intduction of such distinctions into the
social system of thi. country. While 81 aniards, Frenchmen,
I Germane, and Italians of the best iii-tinction were desirous
of appearing in public with some ribbon or other decoration,
the absence of such paltry honours Ira the distinction of En-
glishmen. He doubted whether the Provisional Government
would Stet it 111 caul to put down the desire for such distinctions
as they had tound it to put down the monarchy and the aristo•
eracy. He believed Wet title, of nobility were as much in
use in France as ever, notwithstanding the efforts to asuilish
them. In a jeurney of 111$) miles, tr int the Var to the Seine,
one of the only two renew s be met with was occupied by
General Thiard, the umbewaitor of .he French republic to
Swi!zerlaird. but although the tricolor was waving from the
cosch window he was ca➢ed count ut every station and inn
on the road. (Laughter.)
Lard SrssLKY withdrew his Motion, and
The M irquis of LANNDOWNE then htid on the table the
more which had reb rred to.
JIM:Pi ➢ILL.
The discussion no the second reading of this bill was lima
fir Monday, the '22nd.
'the bowie then ariteurned at a quarter to seven o'clock.

nobis, et did peados et new potion Mai." (Owens.)
The government could net resent this, strong as It was, be-
came they would themselves have applied similar language
to any foreign minista r vats had addressed
kn suchew not !amo
wheat
to to them under similar circumstances. Ile
course the government were about to pursue, bet he did not
believe the merespoadonce had been communicated to the
cabinet ministers ; he did not believe that
ever the
saw it; noble mar-
and
quis (Lansdowne) or the noble earl (Grey)
he did not believe that her Majeety's government were pre-
pared to take upon themselves the individual responsibility
of having sanctioned the letter, and tho tone in which it wits '
written. Ile believed it to have been a geniuitous integer.
mice on the pert of the noble viscount ; hut it was sumewhet
singular that, at the moment when the communication was
received, and the answer given, the order of the Bath had
been conferred on Mr. Bulwer, and he did not know whether
it was a mark of honour with reference to this m atm.
(" No, no," from the Manna' of Lansdowne.) Ito was re-
joiced to hoar that it was not. (Hear, hear.) He thought
the course most worthy a greet mann% to take would be to
admit that the interference was unweresmted ; and then
they might safely non to Castilian honour and generosity
for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of all that
was offensive in the answer et the Duke of Sotomayor.
(Hear, bear.) The noble I ird concluded by moving for
copies of correspondence between her Majesty's Secretary
for Fureign Affairs and the government of Spain.
The question having _been put,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE mid ho did not Intend to
follow the noble lord further than the WAR of the notice re-
quired. He should that day Icy on the table the veto come-
epolialenee that had been moved for ; and be might, there-
tore, very propetiv have passed
his the subject withamt I
comment, but that he owed it to his °enceinte, in her Me
jesty's government not even to allow that "Teeing to per
away without some endeavour to put the house in pessession
correctly of the real state of the case. The facts, as they
would be found to ellen were these. A communication was
made at the data the noble lord had correctly stated to Mr.
Deliver relative to the internal affairs of Spain. The noble
lord had stated that this was a communication ordered to be
made to the Spanish government. To that allegation hie
(Lord Lansdowne's) answer was, a simple denial. It was
a communication from the home government to the amble-
salon and be was instructed to termitic his discretion in
laying' its contents before the Spanish government. Tie
noble ionl had drawn his conclusions respecting this despatch
from•copy of it be had seen in the columns of a French news
paper. Row the despatch came into that newspaper he (Lena
Lansdowne) could not say ; but the fact was, that the cer-
respondent of the ',reach newel) epee (ho was far from lw.
Hearing it was the Duke de Sotomayor himself) had sup-
pressed most material words with which the deaoatch set
out, words which left to Mr. Bulwer a discretion to use th.
deepattch at sucb, opportunity and in ouch way as he miolit
thick net:emery. The despatch in question ilia, indeed,
convey instructions for Mr. Ilulwer's private guidance; and
when their lordships came to see it in the original, such he
was sure would be their unpreseien of the cointruction which
ie bore. That circumstance, then, of itselt explained the
reason why Mr. Bulwer did nut ommunicate the despatch at
an earlier period. Why Mr. 'hillier cheer to convey the
communication to the Spanish government in the identical
terms of the despatch we. another question, and • dpi atom
of which they were not at present in a invite. to judge in
1 this country. As far as his information on thet point went,
he (Lord Lansdowne) must say that he thought it • reinject
of much regret that Mr. Bulwer hail chosen to melee his
eommunicat on in the precise winds of the despatch. But then
it must be recollected that Mr. Bunn r wee a public lenient,
intimately acquainted with the state of Spain; and Be y were
entitled to sesame that he bed the best reasons for the course
which he thought it his duty to pursue. This eommunicA.
Lion, it must be recollected, WAS made to *gen rnment wide li
was in coustantoommunication with this cuunter, d
an
if d w
wan
iiich
was frequently asking advice and assistance; anit
true, as lie believed, that that government had only recently
asked whether the qu druple treaty was in force, and if not
it there would be any °Nevi in to reviving it, surely it
could scarcely be uhji eted that England should offer counsel
at • period of difficulty to a government whic.• hod been so
ree mtly in a petition nit oi.ly to require our Arica but to
require our active assistance also The advice was ten-
dered in no hostile spirit; it was ailvice which Spain might
either adept ur reject at hi r discretion : sod it was giv.
under circumstance* which appeared peculiarly to demand
it. ( Hear.) With regard to ae ellezation of the noble lord
that Mr. Bulwer had directed the publiciation of the despwch
its a Spanish newspaper, that was sa allegetion to which he
(laird Lansdowne) had it in bis power to give • most Distinct
denial. The only ground fur it was the appearance of a
paragraph in the newsy epee in question et ding that Eng -
laud was espected to interfere, by offering her advice ; but
he had the authors y of Mr. Salver's own deepatch tor
stating that nut oily no communication had ever been made
to that newspaper, but that the paragraph in question was
only one of those assumptions which, right or wrong, were I
too frsquentiy lima/tied by the press of every country. This
statement would, be trusted, reams e the whole gravamen of
the charge against Mr. Butner, which, had the wets been as
they were assumed to have been, would certainly have borne
heavily against him. On another point he had it in his power
also to give • distinct contradiction to another allesoition
resting en tee same sort of authority, and published with the
same sort of rancorous spirit which had ereininirly character.
iced them who gave to the world Lent Pulinereton's dispatch
with its most material sentence entirely omitted. A state-
ment had gone forth relative to two member* of • y. unger
branch of an illustrious Lonny more entitled to se lop Ally
because of their minortunes. It had been said that these
illustrious personages had leen ter ated in this country wile
some degree of disrespect. Be (Lord Lansdowne) had uo
hesitation in saying that no disrespect was intended—that
no disrespect wa shown. lier Majesty tied been ou y
anxious on a most iinprirtaiit occasion to have the advantage
of the pr since of her It iyel consort or of one of her adviser,;
and au this matter, as in all ethers, her Majesty had shown
the generosity of feeling which belonged to her, and wnich
had been erneciellv exhibited in the regent awful situation
of the world, when so many persons illustrious by potation
and by character hail been se deeply enacted. It did so
happen, however, that in this particular instance he referred
to, the Duke and I/lichees, f Montpt wire, who had previously
experienced from her Majesty unit attention which had been
exhibiteal to all th.ir relation!, did omit the usual etiquette
&nerved en the occeeiun of all royal visits, and without pre-
vious itaimation,und at a time when it was not convenient fur
her Majesty to receive them, had c aled at Buckingham Palace
to bid her Majesty adieu. The Que. n was naturally desirous
that on such an mention she should hove the advantage sat
the presence of his Iteyal nighttime Prince Albert, cr of her
Secretary of State for Foreign Affair', or perhaps of tooth,
and it censis:ed with his (L od Lanselowne'e) person d know-
ledge that her Majesty had sent to Loral Palmerston, if,
'Miro, him instantly to repair to Buckingham Palace ; but
the noble lord, having been from home, attending a cabinet
council, of comae a delay t .ok place.
Lord STANLEY tare into rupted the noble merquie, for
the eepee of obrving, that in no pin of hie onsermtona
hadt he adverted in any way to the subject to which the noble
lord was now referrieg. lie had alluded to • rumour that
objections had be n taken to the Duke and Duehess of
Muntpeusier going directly frum this country to Satin, but
he had in no way adverted to the circumstance the noble
lord was now refening to.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was glad to hear
the noblual lord's statement ; but the noble lord
must be aware that the report in queetion
had been very industriously circulated, and hr (host Lans-
downe) had thought it only right and proper to take the
earliest opportunity that appeared to oiler of most distinctly
and emphatically declaring that . o disrespect had been in-
tended, and that no disrespect hail been shown. With re-
gara to the last allegation referred to by the noble lord, that
objections had been made to the Duke and Duchene of Mint-
Nosier going at once to Spain, he believed that rumour
rested cm a like authority. Ile would now advert, for one
moment only, to other matters introduced into the sable
lord's speech. The noble lord had said that a principle of
interference pervaded the policy of the government. He
(Lord Lensdowne) felt that this was an unjust charge, but I
:it the same time he must experee hoe opinion that, where
the preservation of the peace of the world was concerns d, it
was the duty of England not to shrink from the responsi
binned of interference ; and of this he was sure, that his
node friend at the head of fOreign affairs had often been the
means of delaying and putting an end to those disputes,
differences, and wars which now pervaded parts if
Europe. lie might refer to every one of those
Italian sovereigns to whom the noble lord had referred
and who would bear willing testimony to the value of the
advico his noble friend had given on frequent occasions and
to its importance in preventiog outbreaks and disturbances
between nations haring adveree and conflicting interests.
The mediation of Englend had been frequently offered, and
was frequently sought tor, and ho melded as long me Eng-
land tuuintaincd her position anteing nations, her influence
would be exerted for the promotion sat those great princielea
which she had laid down as her system of policy and action.
Beyond the limits of legitimate ineirterence he hoped and
believed she would never go.
Lord BROUGHAM rejoiced thin motion hAd been brought
forward, became it ha 1 given her Mai, sty's government an
opportunity of explaining what the facts were. The onus
moo of the words which opened the despatch gave • per-
ctly different aspect to the whole affair, aud entirely con-
cluded the question, as far as hat Mnesty's government
were concerned, and only left them to regret that Mr. Bub
wee had, with singular incli-oretion, laid the dcapatcli
bodily before the Duke de Sotomayair, instead of taking
an. opportunity, of converting calmly with him on
the subject. Fur his own pert, ho saw no obj ec-
tion to giving friendly advice, temp rately administered,
to a government situated es Spain was ; but there were
times and seasons tor all things ; and the words, "if all
opportunity offers " were nut to he Lean to tante " if you
have a short of white paper, it wafer, and a tealpoonful of
hike" (Laughter.) liven if Lad Palmerston had, before
the lute untoward evaaits iu France, suggested to the Mar-
quis or Normanby to advise the French governma nt on the r
proceedings, he (Lord Broug ,am) should have greatly
applauded him, and shauld Save cen-idered him tho fricua of
peace, 01 freedom, and above all the friend of France. And
if this might be done with Femme how much moro reason
mint there be for giving such advice as respected Spain, a
station with which our relations wire so different. With all
respect for his friends in the Provnional Government hi
Paris, he must say he thought that they were highly culpa-
ble for permitting the publication of a aleifical document.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE—It appeared in an
opposition paper.
Lord BROUGHAM—Oh! then that entirely exonerat .d
the Provisional Government. The noble lord went on to
complain that despatches appeared iii the newsp ipare before
they reached tho government to which they were directed,
their lordships compared the Loudon newspap n of July,
kill, they would tied that a most important end coalition-
tai cOmmutiiculion, on a subject of the most oclicate nature,
eppeared in them before then reached tne Spanish goveiti•
went. Tho despatch to w rah I.e alluded had never been
publiilied in Madrid ' • and 1. was dear, therefore, that it was
taut mom Madrid to Londoe. lie thought that such a pro-

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Fitit)Av, MAT 5.
The SPLAILIIS took (ho chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE RUSIN hell..
luirmir;
nument CONSTIWIfI/. --Lambeth AVaterworbs; Nation.; Mn.
Amendment; bilk
Till llKAlnltt.M.—llithenbesul Duck Company ; Vaud Indian
Railway Company Incorporation; Leishman'e hetato ;Govan talche
hotting, ; rtnioutoo Wiccrworte • not..
ruistAc 'BUSINESS.
I'ETITIONS.-117 Sir R. rILMeII. from the corporation of Graves.
end, imam the Ilealth of Town I+lll.—Mr. MUNI 2, from Mr. Time.
the Money lAw of 11119.—Mr. Pol.lllt, from u place
an Leita•eteteldre, fur an Increase In the nuinher of Mahone.- -Mr. J.
W 11.1.1016. from Memiesilrld, sitainet a erntrul sanitary system•• elm
114.61103 agalnot occiestasricul Co,lllll.—Sir it. INOLIN from Rattiest*
in I. itoor 01 the Health of 'flown% Bill—sir W. Ilawiatrirre, from
a !dace Pi pr ping that In revo,ing the game lees, hares
might be placed an the moue footing with rabbit.—Mr.
6001 11010 m, eigalero the thalthe Ileidth Bill; Mr. llamas, from Ott-
keithic, to the sane effect.--Mr. S. emweento, from Lancanhire, for
a real, ut of the electivo frimebt4e on tie, Omni of thr people., cheater.—
Mr. Mn.u, from Y plice in tinnereetshire,againat diplomatic relations
with the creole( Wm, --Mr. Cocas, two petiti 416, from Yorkehlre,
ogainat the mile of alai ituiwa bowies on inittiley. —Mr. flyer from
furer, against the pi,sol.llt 11)41111 of etcotthh eat ille.—Mr!Mac-
irom Whltechapel, lluatna. and other pleas, in favour of
th.• Health of lu' ma hith—Mr 11110111.,, from screrul places in Dor-
agali.st diploma In relation., with the court of Itome.—Mr.
110,1tha, fr..in ever,,e, re and guardian, 01 the par In the county of
(octet, pre)log for un ainenduiret In the prewent !late'', of auditing
the :400,1U114 of poor-law ,1140 ER -land Minicar., tram various WWII/
in lso, and Suffolk, is favour ef the Health of Towns
uses (Ireland) ; l'etty Bad Other; Evicted
(Irchued);
'IIIIIW READIIe ,S.—lnsolvent Debton (India); poor Removal;

P.
Nt fICES OP MOTlON.—Futrsiom W.rtatito Bll.l.—Mr.
o's:tissue, on Monday the 15th 1111,1., to move the second mating of
this hilL
l'nsi At. AL4r..l.3lx,rs.—Mr. WM., MI Monday next, to move foe
the is istuction of the 041141 ulliltnet latween the tau:lash 'covens
meat .usil that of the United:Woes its ref...mete postal arrangement.
CUSTOMS DUTIES—INDIA.
In answer to Mr. Itteehuo,
Sir J. IitHDIOUSE said it was perf.uetly true that, in
pursuance of instructions from burnt., the ,vertwor-Grneral
t lino had al, At hod differential duties in that country.
Hit lordship had also aboliated the duties on goods conveyed
between port and port, a cenine.-ree, however, he might
u.J.erre, wholly etnducted in British b•toous.
Lord (1. BEN fINCK asked whether it had presented
itself to the consideratieu of the right hon. heft., that, as the
ac. was framed, goods landed at Singapore, a free pert, from
whatever quuter, might be re-shipped there, and conveyed
free of duty to any port on the continent of led 4. The omis-
SOW to provide against this irregularity in the act gutted very
eatraerdinary. Ile wished to know whether that omission
was also due to iustructioos tram home, or whether it was
an its. night on the met of the Ooverstor (lateral.
Sir J. 1101111OUSE aid that he had of course observed
the otuissiou referred to, and he had felt it to be his duty,
net understanding it himself, to ask the chairman of the
court eat detectors ler any explanation that might have oc-
curred to him. He heel not u yet etc ived an answer from
that gentlemen, but there was clearly a necessity for inquiry
auto the matter. His impreasiou wig that the circumvent),
of go framing the act as to leave room tor the ro shipment of
goods from Singapore, iu the way peiuted out by the noble
lord, newt have been an oversight.
SPANISH DIPLOMATIC CORRESPONDENCE.
Lord Penneseseux laid on the table of the house copies of
the despatches addressed to Mr. Bulwer and the Duke of
Sototuayue, and the reply thereto.
DIPFERENTI.tL DUTIES (CEYLON).
Mr. HUME gave netiee that on Monday next he should
ask the right hon. barmat bele or him whether the alterations
made by the Indian government, with respect to the aboli-
tion of v.'s differential duties in ports under the control of
the East India Company, were to he :tended to Ceyleu.
ADJOURNMENT.
On the motion of Lord J. flutist:AA. the house agreed at ,
its rising to adjourn to Monday next.
INDIAN MAILS.
Mr. M UREGOR begged ;to ask the hon. gentleman the
Si eretery to the Beard of Admiralty, with reference to the
non-transmassion of the Indian mails en the 3rd of the month,
whether there was to be any other mode of transmitting
them substituted in lieu of that which had been abolished?
The mod of May 1 had not been Rent.
Mr. G. WARD raid that the government had discon-
tinued the tratistuission of the Bombay mail, in consequelice
of the transit be.ween Maui, ant Alexandria having
been diminished from 15 hours to let. It was intended
that :rove-remelt packem should in future convey the mails
between Marseilles and Alexandria.
FRENCH POST-OFFICE TARIFF.
Dr. BOW RING asked whether there had been anything
dune towards equalising the rates of postage between 'France
and England?
Mr. WAItD said that no ouch cquslisvtion had yet been
effected, our could lie say whether it would oe agreed to by
the French Post-office.
ALIEN BILL.
The house then went into committee on the Alien Bill.
The ereemble was postponed.
On clause 1 being read from the chair,
Mr. HUME moved that after the worn " in writing," the
words "on oath, or by altittnatien," should be inserted in
the clause.
Sir U. ORE'- objected to the amendmeat, at it would
ahem them alter the nature of the clause.
Mr. BERNAL stated to the hon. ment',er that an amend-
meet sal the noble lord the member for Mnrylehone was prier
in order to his.
Lord I). STUART moved that in lien of the words, " ir-
formetion given in writing," the words " from drelaratious
laid before them in writing i nder 5 le G 'W13.117., e. 62,"
be substituted.
Aster tame disroaion the amendment was withdrawn.
Mr. GRANGER then moved that atter the word "writ-
ing," there he insereet the following words: 'by any permit
inscribing his or her uamc and address ther.to."
The amendment was agreed to, and the words wee: added
to the elute.
Mr. HUME then moved his amendment' which was
negatived. The hon. member then moved tikatthe following
proviso be added to the clause.
Provided always that n ?copy of every such order be immediately
served on the alien or aliens so ordered to depart, and Meet be amen-
ponird by a copy of the inksmation in writing, and the name uf the
infoanwri
Sir U. GREY opposed the insertion e this proviso, on the
ground that it would in many cases be impracticable to fulfil,
as the residence of aliens wu not always known to the

authorities
Mr. COCKBURN said that he had en amendturnt to
propose which was similar in intention to that proposed in
1793 by Sir James Mackintosh in the then alien bill, and
*nick was unfortunate) rejected. lie trusted that such
would not be the fate of the present amendment.
The A ITORNEY•GENERAI, said that the amendment
referred to the third clause. When that clause came under
disou•sion, he thought be should be able to show his hon.
and learned friend that its admission let° the present bill
would not he expedient.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought that the bill required soma
alteration. It could not surely be necessary that an alien
sinning in ignorance against an order of deportation, should
be rent to a common cant. (Bear, hear.)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that dangerous
aliens generally moved about trout place to place, so th..t
FtiViCe of t„ke order of removal might sometimes be impos-
sible. Ile would not, under the bill, be committed as a
punishm.ale, but merely for security uu;il he could be sent
out of the country.
11111,111.1. MeNTZ and GRANGEn leTefthy supp3rtcd the

amendment.
Sir U. GREY said that if hon. mem;•crs could supply the
wvernment with lists of the aliens whom it might be neces-
..ary to remove, they should all be saw, il with notice.
Mr. FIUME said the right hon. h ironut's proriosition was
the most iniquitous he bad ever knowo. (A laugh.) Every-
thing he (Mr. flume) hal heard confirmed him in the pro-
priety of pressi:.g his amendnien..
Me committee divided—For the amendment 34
Against it l5B-124
Mr. GRANGER then proposed the following proviso:
proviSrd always, and be it ens led, that if any potion shall know.
Inply and Inuticioudy give any such information as aforesaid, of and
couoci ning any such Shen, a hick shall be lilac in some material part
thereof, every such person shall be guilty of a moderaranor, and
ii,-leg twaviatcd thereof shall, at the discretion of the court, be liable
to be hew ironed for any time not exceeding them months.
The AT CORNEY GENERAL opposed the proviso.
The house having negatived thu propootion to publish the
into,' of the {Mariner, uny provision for his punishment
would be useless.
'lilt committee illeided—FAosr„Lh:tpitroyise 33
98- —65

The clause was then agreed, to.
Clause 2 was agreed to without discussion.
Ou clause 3,
Lord D. STUART thought it hard tkat aliens should in
all cases be sent beck to their own country, lle thought
that, having the country, they should have permission to go
where they pleased.
butt lordship moved the insertion uf
words to that effect, subsequently withdrew his amend-
ment.
Mr. COCKBURN proposed to add a proviso, requiring
the lorn of the privy council to cause to he delivered to the
n in writing a general summary of the matters charged
auLinst him, and allow reasonable time for his defence; and
thut, at his request, they should summon witnesses t.
be
eaamincd. on oath in the case. Unless some such provision
were made, the appeal given by lb., Till would be wholly in-
t llicactons, and an alien nt:ght, without any fault of his own,