The Express.
London, England, 1847-07-23 00:00:00

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bow leis views llih words in exploardisa fro. Lord dtaaloy, Lord
Btee~Ls, and Bishops/ Laden,
UTITEY thought It ea inkielable arrogance on the
Mal Ow noble lord to dasseibe the religiose scruples of •
lap of their fellow aramtrymm as arising out of a
so and quibbling limo otimpurrard. HelEarl Grey)
dinet hold that the state mat not Interfere with religion
so ler as granting &mistimes for its maintenance ; but he
tholght it a very fair objeetioa that that assistance should
not be given oa the condition of enquiry into the nature of
the religious instruction given. He considered the alteration
made by be
the Privy Council strictly right and proper, and he
thought it would cirried into effect with the concurrence
of the great majority of members on both sides of the other
house of parliament.
After a row words from Earl NELSON the matter dropped.
THE STANDING ORDERS.
Oh the motion of Lord RIDISDALI, several amend-
amnia were agreed to in the standing orders relative to the
private business of the house.
POOR LAWS ADMINISTRATION BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the order of the
day toe wondering the reasons of the House of Commons
for disagreeing to one of their lordships' amendments in this
bill (the mid amendment Meier struck out the clause which
was added to the bill in the House of Commons, on the mo-
tiestof Mr. Bortliwiek, for the non-separation, in the work-
home, of married couples above the age of 60). The noble
martinis observed, that although the Commons had m-
isstated that clause, they had agreed to another amendment
made in the bill by Muir lordships, and which he (Lord
Lansdowne) had stated at the time, was by far the more impor-
tent Of the two—namely an amendment negativing the clause
which provided for the indiscriminate admission of rate-
payers to the meetings of the boards of guardians; the effect
of which, he conceived, would have been to turn those meet-
ings into arenas of popular contest, much to the detriment
of the public business. It now remained for their lordsoips
to determine whether they would insist upon their amend-
ment omitting the non-separation clause, after the Commons
had consented to their other ani more important amend-
ment, From all he could ascertain on the subject, the num-
ber of persons likely to be affected by that clause would not
be many. Believing, then, that its operation would be
extremely limited; believing that the insertion of it
in the 611 originated in a feeling of humanity
which he fully respected, without sharing in the
apprehensions of those who moved it ; and believing that the
House of Commode had shown a disposition to consult the
feelings of their lordship' house, agreeing to the import-
ant amendment to which he had just referred, he was pre-
pared to submit, not by way of a compromise, but as most
expedient for the public MINIM, that the house do not insist
upon its amendment (to which the Commons had disagreed,
and which struck out the non-separation clause).
The Earl of STRADBROKE having opposed the motion,
Earl GREY observed that if the motion were successfully
resisted the bill would be lost for the present session, the
country be deprived of the acknowledged benefit of its gene-
ral provisions, and the whole question of the poor laws would
be again discussed, and perhaps angrily, at the coming
elections.

Lord RADNOR disagreed in the reasons of the Commons
for re-inserting this clause, which their lordships had a!-
ready unanimously rejected, and which he was satisti,d, if
retained, would do much mischief, go far to destroy the dis-
cipline of, and give rise to scenes of immorality in, whatever
workhouses it might be brought into operation.
The Duke of CLEVELAND concurred in the motion of
the noble marquis, not on the ground of expediency, but be.
cause be considered that the clause wax practically good.
Earl FORTESCUE contended that, in point of fact,
there was no practical grievance to be remedied by the inser-
tion of this clause ; and, in proof thereof, referred to a re-
turn which stated, amonget other things, that out of 363
unions 155 were without any married couples above the age
of 50, and in 92 there was but one. He believed that the
result of this change would be that many aged couples, who
were now thankfully receiving half a crown a week as out-
door relief, would come to the guardians demanding an ex-
travagant iscrease, or admission to the workhouse. He
thought that the clause would lead to great expense and all
sorts of abuse, and that, therefore, it would be better to sa-
crifice the bill altogether than to allow of its becoming law.
Lord REDESDALE complained of the conduct of govern-
ment with reference to this clause. They bad at tir.t op-
posed it, and now for electioneering purposes sanctioned its
introduction.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE contended that govern-
ment had only shown a constitutional deference to public
opinion in adopting the clause after ao unequivocal a demon-
stration in its favour by the House of Commons.
The home divided.—For the amendments.
Aga;not
The Commons' amendments were then •greed to.
. BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the adoption of
the Commons amendments to the above bill.

Lord REDESDA.LE thought that government had acted
in bad faith in striking out that part of the preamble of the
bill which referred to the future appointment of three addi-
tional bishops. He trusted that the matter was only deferred
until next session.
Loci MOIIITEAGLE, seeing the state en which the pare.
child clergy of Wales stood in respect of income, regretted
that the recommendations of the original coramiinion had
not been carried out. To judge from the opposition which
the prelent bill had encountered, be did not think the noble
lord opposite need be very sanguine that government would
be in any hurry again to approach the subject.
The Bishop of St. ASAPII deprecated the drawing of
distinelions between the bishops and the parochial clergy.
His own experience led hint to believe that small dioceses
were best calculated to insure vigilant supervision.
Lord STANLEY thought that before the house agreed to
the bill in its present form a pledge should be required from
the government that they would introduce a proposition for
establishing the three other bishoprics recommended by the
commission in a future session.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the words
struck . out of the preemble of the bill had no reference
whatever to the enacting portion. He had no hesitation ie
saying that the position of the government with reference
to the three bishoprics was precisely the same new as it had
been before the alteration was made.
The Commons' amendments were then agreed to.
NEW ZEALAND BILL.
On the order of the day for the third reading of Cul. bill
bedsp read.
lama STANLEY moremed his fears that much inconve-
nience would arise tam the amount of power and inoon-
pretweapoPtion grilled to the New Zealand Company. They
Wen Matt lOw=ttbat company a loan of 236,0001. free of
interest, sad any essurity except the future net pro-
fita of **company. If theapecalation should turnout unpro-
fitable the loan was to be remitted, and the concern handed
over tO,lllll government. Mere than this, the entire of the
lands PO esepy, amesnting to a million of acres, was
to be pnrehelleet MOIL Ulm at the rate of live shillings per
sere. Italy hops was that the experiment would fail,
that thp esnepear weal& have to wind up its affairs, end
that thus the 'okay would be place(' under the undivided
control of government
Earl OBEY, who wee but imperfectly audible, was
understood to say that the loans had been recom-
mended after long deliberation, by a large majority
of the New Zeeland committee ; and besides, it should be
reeollected that the company had sack 1.50,0001. of their
own capital. lie thought that if they ultimately succeeded
in establishiag a community of Englishmen in that splendid
country, all the trouble and expense they now incurred
would amply repaid.
The bill wee then read a third time and passed.
The house adjourned at a quarter to 9 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—THURSDAY, JULY 22.
The Sriteran took the chair at one o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSIN
PETTroir•—wf; Hr. ROM, from the gaud of Rua:elms of Trott.
teiege mien agaiththe law et serierment.
PETITION FROM JAMAICA.
Lord G. BENTINCK moved that the petition from the
bland of Jamaica be printed with the votes.—Agreed to.
PETITION OF THE REV. H. F. YEATMAN.
Mr. BANKES moved that the petition of the Rev. H. F.
Turman, relative to the the of bread, be printed with the
votes. Agreed to.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL.
In reply to a question from Mr. Resets,
Sir G. GREY said that the Lords had not insisted on their
amendments to the Juvenile Offenders Bill, and the bill
would therefore receive the-royal assent during the day.
TREATMENT OF CONVICTS.
' Mr. T. DUNCOMBE called the attention of thrthouse
to the reports laid before parliament during the present sm-
ith oar the date of Millbank Prison, and the treatment of
convict. on board the hulks at Woolwich; be winked to
know what the intention of the government was, and hoped
they would bring In a bill on the subject in the next par-
liament. The hon. gentleman reiterated the ehatpes which
he had before made with reference to the treatment of con-
victs at Milibank and Woolwich, and contended that they
had been, for the most part, substantiated.
Sir G. GREY entirely concurred with the reconuaendia-
tion of the Millbank commissioner', that the maaagement
of that prison ought to be separated from the system of in-
spectorship uat present carried on. He had prepared a hill
oa the subject, which, however, he had not been able to pro-
ceed with In the present sedition ; but the vabjeet would re-
ceive the early attention of the next parliament. The result
of the Investigation with reference to the hulks at Woolwich
bad saddled him that there was ample you'd for a strict
mid searching inquiry. The state of healt4 of Mr. Capper
bad not enabled him to discharge his dues personally
for some years. He had sow reigned ; the
ieneent of
the hulks had been put under the regular I on of the
isthmuses of pneew , and new rules had been with a
view to remedying many of the abuse; which had existed.
He thought it would !Abetter that a berraek should be pro-
vided for the accosusodotice of the convicts ; but on that
subject ha could say wain further at present. The mat-
ter was now Is die bands of persons who would devise the
beet regulations that could be adopted for the future ma-
ef the convicts. With regard to the medical
niter, It was bat jam to say that the report stated that no
timelines of cruelty hied been proved against him ; he,
1 therm, wee of opinion that the duties to be per-
fumed by the medical °facer required that he',
abeklik devote the whole of hie time to the convict",
Ina the be engaged in private prutice as well , and a
regalatthe to thm effect would be carried out, not only at

t Woolwich, bet at Pate nteath and elsewhere. He loped
issime the net gallons* the hen. manbse would be quits
made in
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OF PORTUGAL.
Sir D. L. ByAllijiaisespelkel ers led *at, the
Parttime, prieenem ¢ wer had ban asehne, the
of the ppm wee ale yeeeelablhhed, sad the use °Dateless-
ableibile inseelnal Mee; he thseelbee, wit
the soli bed at las. boa et Ote ire* t, what
had bum mile with rigid le ther t of the
the Pertegmaserweammt
Lord P.NTledltMill maid that all the bad been
released; the only doily which had i haying
arias in consequenee et the slain of Opera net haring
been earlier brought to • 1111111011111106. The quarantine on the
pass was only weeded* het till the ad of the
month, and he then hepei that all restrictions on the liberty
of the prat would be removed. With regard to the forma-
tion of a new ministry, he was usable to ay anyt
ti hing posi-
tive at the present tie* bet the matter had Um under
consideration, and he was quite sure that there was an
earnest disposition on the part of the QUM' of Portugal
to fulfil the egemeats which she had made; and
he could amuse his honourable and gallant friend
that there had ban no slackness on the pert of the govern-
ment of her Britannic Majesty, in claiming from the Queen
of Portugal the full and complete fulfilment of the engage-
ments which she had entered into with regard to the Por-
ta/twee people.
ROYAL ASSENT.

At twenty minutes to three Sir A. CLIP/01U) appeared at
the table, and summoned the house to tie House of Peers,
to bear the royal assent given by commission to numerous
bills (for which see Lords' report).
On the return of the Sraa.usu, at half past three, the
house adjourned.