The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-27 00:00:00

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the landlords. Last year Ireland produced 16,000,000
quarters of corn, oats, and barley, which were sent. out 0
the country, leaving it to ho supplied through Liverpool
merch.ants. Against that system the people would wage
war until they forced the landlords to join them in seeking
for their
tiring and fora government that would not take
from the rg their constitution and their liberty, or refuse
to the dead a shroud and • burial.
Mr. URQUHART was surprived to hear a man bearing
the historic name of Grattan Heyjufing rebellion. (Mr.
Grattan repudiated the charge.) was glad the hon. gen-
tleman denied it, hut such was the impression which his V:-
mecca ma le on his (Mr. Urquhart's) mind. When lea com-
pared the industrious and stern character of the northern
Irish with the unsteady people of the south, and their want
of mutual cuididen
would
in eachav other, he was sate tht a
repeal of the union he the effect of placingtied theago.
vernmont of the country in the hands of the onneemen. he
(Mr. Itereoees: There's a diseevay for you!)—leut
maintained that that house had not the power to
grata a repeal of the union, inasmuch as it awed nnt
m
com a suicidal ac In like he was pre
to arguit e that the Irisht. parliementmanner
could not comm pared
it a Dui
tidal act, and that it was now in the power of the crown to
aurenlon a parlament in Ireland, aed take couocil with lice
in the government of that country.
After a few words from Mr. 11. GRA
eml
TTAN in cxplanatioa,
Mr. B.IOE said that nee he became amer of paella
went he had retrainee.' from making obeervatie hns on
but
Irish
matters, because he felt incempeent to deal wit there,
he was not the lees diepoired to remove the evils under which
Inland suffsred.
Major IllenCliALL thought it weula he better to bring
this debate to a conclusion. lle was glad that hoe gentle-
men who were favourable to repeal had shown such geed
feeling • and he regreth motion oy unpleaeant feelings shoutl
have been rained by the of his right hon. colleague.
Lard .1. RUSSELL said that lie quite agrsed with the
hon. gentlemen a no bad jest eat down in thiaking that thin,
who were Caveat able to the repeal of the union had shone
a wise and considerate feeling to postponing the diseussien of
the measure of which they were the advocates, in order not
to cerate an acerbity in addition to the irritation that now
prevailed, and he only begged it to be understood that lie
had himself no persenel objection to the renewal of this de
bate, and that he ilnl net at ell shrink from thc diseussion it
the question of the repast i f the unless. lie was really te
eater into the questien ; end when the hon. menilser for
Duhlin told him w that it as to come on, he (Lord .1. Rueseil)
was determined to come down to the house and take part in
' the dchate ; therefore he had no personal objc mien to cuter
', into the di: cession of the subject. Having clone this, lie left
it to these who were advocates of the repeal of the union—'
stud ho theeight they deserved a great deal ot for the
I determination which they hadcome te—whether orcredit not they
would bring the question forward. Ile would state
further that ore of the main grounds that ho should
have teken in r. slating the repeal of the union, if the
I dismission of the questioa had came on, would hate
I been, that in has opinion the repeal of the union and the
I totesablishment of a sepnrate legislation for Ireland we uld tend
that very degradation to a province of which Irish gentle-
men S.) very much complained. He thought that the honour
and distinction el having a seat in the. house of parliament,
and of taking a part in the govsneraut of this empire—he
thought that that distinction was one which raised and ele-
vated them as a earl of the united kingdom, and by
.which,
at the snore thne, they might be enabled in thin leguleture
to improve and benefit their country. Two men of greet.
affinities, and possessing those talents which fitted them for
luting menkind, rose i'n Ireland at aboat tie end of last cen
tor,.
On of them, Mr. Burke, sat in this house, his
stractchtzivn which.
on:a plia,reeawsezieoctt iourchthae Tapmetiorioc:tnoolet,eavi
apes, but he mould not take any part which could influ-
ence the legislation of thee country towards Ire.
laud, strong as his opinions wa e, and remark ilee
us his views were ; they were written ex letters to member
of parliament in Ireland, in emir, and various other ways ;
but he could not exercise any influence aimed,' in the legisla-
ture with regard to Ireland. Those talents were of no value
as regarded that partieular portion of of
public atfaire. Auoth. r great man wasproduced at the same I
time e izh talents nearle. as remarkable, aho name wend
be always remembered with honour for these sentiments of
patriotism which he entertained, nod for ,h•-• li,gh and die- I
tangential abilities which he possessed. lie devoted his abi-
lities to the coesideration of Irish alle:rs. Every one knew
that E s to tho name of Henry tirwten. -But in de- '1
voting E:s abilities to Ireland, as long as the two countries
were separated, he could not take that part in the leenl dims
with regard to imperial affairs, with regard teeny quation of
foreign palicy, to any colonial question, or any of those subjects
which must be decided by thelegisliture sitting as the coinee
of affairs, which his great abilities qualified him to take, and
his talents were lost therefore on imperial qui:niers.; in which
he ought t i have taken a part. lie thought that it was :oit he
benefit and advantage of Ireland, that lrisemen should com-
bine these two advantages;, should a man like Mr. Burke, i
to f
such a man were to rue in the house, should be able
declare his opinion ; and that a man like Mr. Grattan should
disp:ay his talents ee as to be madded to sway, as Mr.
Grattan did sway after the union, the pionsde of this Louse
on the most momentous questions, on acc and war, and
matters which affected the general policy of the state. This
was one Freund on which lie would resist the repeal of the
union. The hon. gentleman the member for Dublin
haeing wisely taken the part which he had taken
he hid now only to say that he trusted the
distinction at present was nut between gentlemen who
differed from one another on the question of repeal, but,
looking at the important and critical lineation of puffiic
affairs that the distinction would be between those who
elated to maiutain the general institutions of bah coun-
tries, who wished to pursue a loyal course, and who wished
to nuke such improvements and alterations as they thought
requisite, either by means of public discussion or milli men-
tery debate, and those who were attempting by force and
insurrection tooverthrow the institutions of this kingdom. He
trusted that that would be the diteinctisn, and that gentlemen
°reflected with Ir.: sod, whether protestant or Roman catho-
lic, whatever mash[ be their views with respect to the measure
of repeal, would unite together for the peep ;se of mei:nesting
their detestation and abhorrence of the insurgent and rebel-
lidus spirit now abroad, and would use all their energies to
suppress rebellion, and to endeavour to maintain peace and
good will between the two countries. (Cheers.)
After a few words from Mr. FEAUGes O'Connor. the II
debate was agree). to be postponed to that day three months. 1
HORSHAM ELECTION.
The Cflialitat XS; informed the house that he had received the
necessary certificate from the clerk of recegnisances, that the
aunties of the petitioners against the member returned fur
the borough were senile lent.
WASTE LAWS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion fur teeing into committee on tide hill,
Sir J. W.eLSII °hinted to the bill, believing that it con-
tained provisions which we re most extraordinary, and va i ich
the house would never sttsrart from its title. It van pro- '
posed that certain commissioners should determine what was
and what was not wain lane in Ireland, and that tliy
should take what lanai they plensed from proprietor% in
order to try their oar rite:ads on them. The government
were to drain and to divide these waste lands, to erect houses
neon the hem i so divided, or to take other steps, whieli
would not only he a great drain upon the resources of tho
country, but we ich would he establithing entirely • new prin-
ciple in this country. It was in fact a system similar
to that which had recently failed in France, and the mode '
lof obtaicing these results was to se izo in the first instates
I the Kemeny of private individuals. Another provision of
the measure wan that which gave the power to the go-
. vernment to sell those lands when so redeemed, and to retain
two-thirds of the money, on mortgage. So that the govern-
ment would be placed in the position of a great mortgagee
over all those waste lands in Intend. lie thought that no-
thing could be more at variance with sound principles than
this measure. Anything so preposterous or impracticable
was never suhmitted to the ennsideration of the legislature.
The hon. member for Stroud, who, he believed, was one of
the promoters of this Ullman he had no doubt, most anxious
to benefit Ireland ; hut the hen. manner would give him
leave to say that in his own political organisetion there was
hut a fain, distinction between WWII aid teem. He was
anxious to know whether the hon. memLsr had ever been in
Ireland in hie life?
Mr. P. SCROPE sail that he had.
Sir J. WALSH them wished to ask him whether he ever
encrypted to draM land ? Having received no reply, he pre-
sumed that all his knowledge was rather thenret cal than
practical. The hon. gentleman, is a pamphlet which he
published, alluded to Chat Moss and the draining th
wit ere. h
a
Chat Mess was in the heart of a dense population,
railway running through it; and yet, thoueh the railway had
been there for nearly 20 years, a very large portion ut that
mess was in • perfect state of nature. Tnis hill, he thought,
would fsil in the very object which the promoters of the hill
had in view. Supposing that the lands were reclaimed to the
extent to which the bill provided, and tenants were located
on the farms, they must be provided at the public cost with
all the appurtenances of cultivation, as well as with the
means of sulaistense for the tint year, or else they would
starve. The eff et of this mt &sure "mild be to increase the
poverty of Ireland, to spiced it more, and to render it more
difficult to future eenerations to grapple with it. He should
be glad to hear what were tee opini ins of the goy( rnnient
and the house generally upon tie subject ; and for that per-
' p se he would move that the horse go into committee upon
' the bill this day three months.
Mr. STAFFORD seconded the motion.
Mr. P. SCROPE admitted that he wee not en Irishman,
nor perhaps intimetely acquainted with Ireland personally ;
, but ha thought the hon. gentleman, n it being a repealer,
' would admit that a member of the imperial legisleture ought
to interest Limo If in Irish affairs. But, in print of fact, the
bill was not brought in by him, but by his hon. friend the
member for Romommon (Mr. F. French), who was an Irish
landholder, and et leant as good an Iri-liman ha the hon.
member. The hon. member had charged him snit not
retort sufficiently alive to the rights of property. Redid not
retort tile charge • but he belleved that the cry of the rights
of Sirer was ;bused.
Si J. WALSII.—Who is to pay for these lentions ?
Mr. SCROPE said the money expended by persons in
'refloating would be amply sufficient tor the purpose. There
were thousands who Possessed capital enough for the reels-
enatien of these lands, and who would be most happy to
apply it in that war, ii they had the opportunity, instead of
;mine out to America, and tarrying their capital with them.
The working populatinn of Ireland worn now maintained by
the public money ; and n dhing sees mon needed than a
measure which should put the idle hands tenon the Ole lanai
of Ireland. As to the practicability ottreel
gheicing these waste
lauds with the certainty of a pprofs',profs',lie mit cite wt had
been done by Mr. Bent" in Lancashire, whose farm
re we on Chre
at
Mena unw paid 10 per cent. on ilex utlay. The
Millions of acres of waste land in Ireland whichght be mare I
ossify reclaimed than that. Mr. S. Robinson, o mif
Claraville, I
a seilfill r:clenner of lands in a letr to Leen Clarenden, ex- 1
prose'. his convictien thet, the countetry %WS fully capable of
empling all the population, and stated the favourable re-
sul which experiment made in reclaimiug 10t acne in 183 S,
011 he had expended 31. an me, sad the value of the

IINIPERIAL 1 ARLIAIEN'f.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDVf, JULY 26.
The SriAm took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND hEADINO.—WaIsaII Improvement Bill.
Loßoe' AMENDMENTS CONNIDERED.—Oreat Northern Rail-
way of .tehotme Extension); atonktand and Eirkintilloch, Bal.
Rainey and Stansinnan Railways parrolgarnation, er of eter,
and amendment or repeal of acts); Newry and Enniskillen Railway
(amendment of ai.ta, and to authorise arrangements with other com-
panies,;
PUBLIC BUSINESS. In
SECOND READINGS.—Life roliciee of Assaranoe ; Appeals
Criminal CAMS t• Bills.
COMMITTEE- —sale of peer
NOf ICEOF MOVlONrmirr dromea Mosse.—Col. SIBTIORP,
on some Into committee of a 1)5 and Warta, to more a Tr.oluticrO,
That it is expedient that sonic clear and ilistnet atatement .hould
be Mad.. to the house
as t the approldiation of the 36,009/. annually
voted for secret ,ervie, money."
PAYMENT OF WITMMITTEENEosSES
S.ON ELECTION
CO
Mr. RUMS, in calling attention to the petition of Patrick
Purcell, one of the witueeses on the Dublin Elect
is ion Coespenses,
m-
mittee, complaining that he had not been paid h
said hc so knowin that as the law now stood hc re was
no remedy, but to suggest that the law should bet so altered
as to ensure to witnesses the payment of their reasonable
expenses.
PU 11 LIC PETITIONS.
Mr. TIIORNELY brought up the report of the con.
mitten on public petitions, mating that the practice of cre-
wel.; it-titions bearing several signatures all in the ante
handwriting hat much increased of late, and fuersting a
more strict compliance with the Titles of the house against
the recention of such petitions.
Mr. HUME and Mr. 0. THOMPSON each spoke a few
words condemnatory of the practice, after which the report
was ordered to lie on the table.
REALTII OF TOWNS BILL.
Mr. SPOONER asked whether the umeedments made by
the bards to this hill would be printed sad a day need for
their consideration ?
Lord MORF E VII replied the bill had not yetbeen returned
from the Lords. When it came ho would state what course
he would pur:ue.
THE COUNTING OUT YESTER.DAY.
Mr. URQUHART comp:sit:eel that on the counting out
of the house last ni. ht during the speech of !dr. Anstey the
division bell had not been ring to summon members who
were not actually in the hon. e at the time t
.the bell had not
The SPEAKER was not aware tha
been rung, but would take care that it should be in future,
when notice of 40 members nut being present was taken.
Mr. URQUHART gave notice that he should move that
the stunts of mensben present when the house was counted
Out in tutnre shonld be taken notice of.
Mr. WAWN, no the member van counted out the haw
on the previous day, also gave notice that he would persist in
doing so on all occasions (if opportunity t fßicd) when the
Lon. gentleman and his friend the member for Youghal
thought proper before 12 o'clock to move the adjournment
of one delete, in order to bring on a totally different ques-
tion afterwards. (Hoer, hear.)
Tee SCE.t.liEli subeequeudy stated that he had made
Inquiry, and found that the bell had been rung.
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
Ii reply to Col. SlBTltolcr,
Sir G. GREY said it was the intention of his noble friend
(Lord J. Russell) to proceed with this bill.
Col. SIBTTIORP would then give notice that he would i
oppoze it in all its stages.
DIPLOMATIC REL TONS ROME
atell BILL.
that he
Sir 0. GREY, in reply to Itle. ANSTEY, st
could give uo assurance that this bill, which stood on the
paper 'or Monday. win Id come on on that day.
REPEAL OF THE UNION—ADJOURNE is bill DEBATE.
been
The order fee resuming the debate on thD having
read,
re
Mr. It. M. FON said be hail come down perfectly p
pared to go on wan this debate, but in the !ilsienee of his
hon. friend who was at the head ot the repeal vement in
Ireland, and of the majority of those mew rsmo who were
favoureble to repeal. he could not feel justified in carrying
the question to a division. Hs was the more alliio3ll to
withdraw the question at the present time, seeing a tendency
in Ireland to confound repeal with republieanisat—(hear)—
a delusion to which he would never be a port!. (Rear.)
He begged to move that the order be read and discharged.
The SPEAKER. having suggested that there would be an
informality in that motion,
Mr. R. M. FOX moved that the debate be further

adjourned.
ANSTEY, though favourable to repeal as a restore-
Hen of the ola constitution of Ireland as it existial in the year
1500, was of opinion that in the present state of Ireland it
would be better to withdraw the motion. He repudiated
the condact of those who were making repeal the plaything
of rebellion. Ile believed that the repeal of the union was
a mere question of time, but he would never be a party to
the views of thoie who sought to attain that object by force, I
or use it as a pretext for the entire separation of Ireland from
England.
Sir B. HALL expressed his belief that the repeal members
had no intention from the last to take the scare of the hones
on this question ; bat that it had been brought forward to raise
expects anis on the part of the ignorant multitude, which
could !teem be realisedaby keeping alive such expectstions
of
to
enable • few designing individuals to the means
maintaiuing themselves in • station to which they had no
right to aspire. (Hear.) The hon. g mtleman (Mr. Fax)
now made the absence of the hon. member for Limerick the
excuse for not proceeding with the motion. Why the hon.
member far Limerick had not bn in the house
since since Aha thet
11th of April—(hear, hear)—while they sad
time over and over again had the assurance of hon. members
who were favourable to repeal that the questi on w
tainly be pressed to a division on the first opportunity. In
this respect the conduct of the hon. member for 'Nottingham,
who, bevies; brought forward a similar motio t at the com-
menceent of the sr mien, took • diviaion uron it, contrasted
honourably with that of those gentlemen. (Hear. hear.)
The origin of the present reielutienary movement in Ireland
was to be traced to the repeal association—(hear, hear)—and
to the exertions of those who, keeping themselves just with-
in the verge of the law, excited others to gee beyond it and
then left them to their fate. (Hear, hear.) He trusted after
this we should hear no more of this repeal agitation. Let
the Irish people know the truth—that the e were members in
the house res.ly to discuss the question fairly with those who
were the advccates of repeal—that the question stood as the
first order of the day, and yet, netwithstauding the distinct
and positive promlse of the hon. meer for Dublin that tie
would at all hazards bring it tenger& mbit was now to be 'ban I
doned. (Hear, hear.) To show the vaciaati.ti of the repeal
members, he might state that last Alonday, otter first stating
that they had not made up their minds whether they
would I
Krieg on the question, they at length gave an assurance that
it womb come on, and circulars were sent round that morn-
ing announcing diat the debate would certainly be proceeded
with, and now, at 12 o'clock, they (the repeal members) had
the moaest assurance to move thee the order be discharged,
and the motion oestooned till another session.
Mr. REYNOLDS said theno Ladenmmber did him
tuated great in-
justice when he supposed th he et been ac by a
sincere desire to take the sense of the house on this question.
On the occasion to which the hen. member had referred, all
the repeal members in London amounting to nine—(a laugh)
—met together, and resolved to bring on the 'question to-day,
but, when it was found that no has than 37 repeal members
were absent, it could hardly be expected that they should
bring it on under circumstances which must give so
great an advantage to their opponents. The hon. gentleman
asserted that it was never intended to take the sense
of the house on tha motion; in the strongest lan-
guage parliamentary order would permit, he, on hie
own part, repudiated such parliamentary hypocri+y.
lie denied that a revolutionary spirit had been evinced by
the Repeal Associn ion, which contained men quite as loyal
and disinterested as the hon. baronet the member for Mary-
lebone, He would go farther and say that the moral-farce
eel:weer; of Ireland comprised nine-tenths of the population.
(Hear, hear.) Hilly he.n. baronet had said that the spirit of
revolution which had recently manifested aself in that coun-
try hail had its origin in the Act of Union, and not in the Re-
peel Assoclation, he would have been noun nearer the truth.
He (air. Reynolds) thought it would be most unwise to
bring forward the question in the absence if its pledged sap-
porters, as well es the ban. gentleman/rho first promoted the
discussion of it, and which he did against the unanimous opi-
nion of the rest of the Irish repeal members. lie thought it
would be particularlyunwfos to do so at the present moment,
when the house hail just sanctioned a me enure auseeuding I
the constitution in Ireland, and when an angry discussion on
the question of repeal wouldNa only all fuel to the political
fire now raging in that country. (Hear, hear.) Nat-
tempt to throw ridicule upon the question sho.ll prevent
hint, if in that house, to take the sense of the
house upon it next :session, for he could assure the house
that the people of Ireland were determined, by every legal
and constitutional means, to recover that right ot self-
goverment of which they felt they had been robbed by a
meaiure whicL was carried by force and fraud, which had I
disappointed as warmest supaorters, and which had inflicted '
great poverty and misery on the country, with out adding to
the strength or prosperity of the British empire. (Hear)
Mr. H. orATTAN observed that the conduct hitherto of
the hon. batoaet the member for Maryleliene towards the
Irish members proved sufficiently that he was unkind by
nature; twit now he bad shown himself actuated
em byen a spint
injustice by intemperate attacks upon gentl who
were alma. He !nun also observe that it we e a piece of the
greatest presumption for any hon. member to declare that
the people of Ireland veer- rebels because a small psis-
eel of men chose to write sedition and treason. the
people et Ireland hat d the British government, and they
Woula not he men if they did not, and they meant to teke
aaary legal appsetarity and meeea al'aa:araleg the go-
Tam:eat of the country ; did not mean the instil,.'". •
but the ministry, until they forced them to do justice. He
totally denied that the repeaters of the association were
not sincere. Was not O'Connell sincere There never
lived one more to—and the only thing that ever mien] him
as a popular leader was his connexion with the whip
(Lanehter.) As to the accounts of that body, he could
hima It, if it were his last breath, bear testimony to their cor-
--• Si and honesty. He felt it necessary to say thus much
of the dead, whom the hon. baronet inveighed
.op disguise by which ho was accustomed to
.timents, aid by which he proved himsed
mite that had ever appeared on any staee.
e Welt members in town hesitated to brill/ on
through • desire not to add fuel to the
a throw oil on the troubled waters,
they were taunted with being insincere re-
s the habit to assert, too, that Ira hmen were
iness, and therefore unfit to legislete for them-
-1111 he was mataio, that if they had had an Irish
would not have sat Item November to August,
ore boa and done literally nothing. hatTt feet
Imams in favour of • repeal of the od
unless that measure were granted, the
an y
t rebellion end insurrection, but • war against

THE EXPRESS, TIIURSDA.Y EVENING, JULY 27, 1848,

Zit'

crops bad reached 71. an acre. There could not be a more
obvious method of putting down the ilimmtent and sedition
which now prevailed than by leeislathig so as to provide for
tho redundant population of Ireland. The land hitherto
had been placed at the merry of some 8,000 proprietors, who
exercised their right of keeping the wastes in their barren
state, and of periodically driving out the incresaiug popula-
tion.
bill which
Col. DUNNE felt difficulty in opposing a, bill
purported to be for the advantage of Ireland, but he did nee
think this measure would produce any. such effect. The bill
atm:seed to comprise three distinct aeries of cilia!, ; the first
appoiuting commissimen, and dellnine their duties ; the
next, enabling the government to rob the proprietors ;
and the last, empowermg them to rob the country. (Hear,
hod
lie decidedly objected to the power of seizing iands;
this would carry into elfect the wild decants of communism,
now advocated by Meagher and others. (I [ear, hear.) But
the seizure of these tends would be wholly unnecessary, as
there would be a sufficieet quautity ot land on sale for the
purpose. As a proprietor of wsste lands he wits ready to
fire a lease for nothing, for a long period., to soy one who
would reclaim it, or to grant them it in perpetuity on a
rental. lie tried that exiseritzient some years ago, before
going abroad, and found on his return that those who had
taken the land had done nothing at it. (Hear.) The amount
of reclaimable waste land in Ireland was grossly exaggerated.
The hon. member for Stroud had spoken of 10 per cent. on
the rental being derived from the cultivation of waste lend :
but the best land in Ireland could not bo cultivated
Ire-
au as to produce that prone In many parts of Ire-
land, the wastes conei mil of small patches, some
Dot larger than five acres. Those that were reclaimable
ought to be reclaim, d by private enterprise, and not at the
expense of the state. Companies hal beat formed for thin
purpose ; and there was no doubt it' the qxculation was a
prefeable one it would soon he carried out. Ile fully re.
relief; the importance of giving labour in preference to
but he was convinced teat it men were placed on the
lands referred to, they would soon beeonie pau;*rs if they
were not so originally. If he thought the scheme would
relieve the pewieratee, it should have his the
scheme
Mr. REYNOLDe deified that the measure was one of
spoliation. Its chief object was to rimble a company er a
board of commissioaere to undertake the cultivation ot waste
lands; and in the next piece, to stem? land with a mercan-
tile &erecter. The industrious classes of 'Maudin-
vested 3,000,0041. in the savings bulks, and 10,000,0001. hi
joint-steck banks 'fure these sums were ampl suffi-
cient to pay their location on the wastes.
From the evidence given before Lord Devon's com-
mission, he found that there were 2,5117,000
en. He
acres
of waste land in Ireland capable. of cultiveti
believed there was a elisinelieation on the port of the ',risco-
entry to have these wastes reclaimed, lent they should
ose their grouse and other sport. Let the house teach the
landlords a little common sense on this subject. One hene-
fleitreffect of this meaeure would he to increase e
lse, donne
in feemimple in Ireland, whereby snore might lee done to
-reserve pesos and ruder than by sending h elf a tondo's of
soldiers there. (Hear.) The reclamation of tof he wwees would
for
in tee firs' place employ half a inelion 'slimmers
20 years, and would he the means of loeetino 1.93,00 G
taot
What he regretted was, that the government did ntake
the matter into their hand., and cause the waste lands to he
reclaimed, even in spite of the landlords. If they would do
so it would be a step towerds the peeilicetion of Intend, and
would not entail sty loss span the government. (11e,r.)
Mr. F. FRENCH &vied that the measure was ice
of
either public or private plunder. There was out One shilling
require from the Treasury. There was ne undue ieterfer-
ewe with property. The object of the bill was to give an
oortity to time; who were now emirating to Ameriea
top e
lucateun themselves on the waste lands ogf
Ireland when re.
claimed. A bedy of indleneent egriculturists would thus
he created. lle had no et suht that there were many in the
humbler chases in Ireland who would be able to purchase
from 20 to 30 seven of the land.
Mr. 0. GORE said that there was an act of parliament
in existence for the reclamation of waste lands.
the but It was
true that it contained no compulsory power,
objrction to the present bill in his opinion was that it gave
such compuls•ry power. There was a enamels, at present
in existence o' carry cut that act, but they hail not leulti.
dent Muds. Ile believed that the waste node sat Ireland
if cultivated would ho m
ere than
the
ate to supped ths
over population which isted. It the government gave
means to the company to which be allieled, it would be
much more beneficial than by compulsery pewee to
Lake lands. If government did to, ha believed it would
tend to the tacitication of Irelaed.
Sir 0. GREY approved of the object of the bill, but
doubted whether the provisions of this hill. were calculate,'
to attain that object. When he assented to the introduction
of the bill, he did so on the aesurance of hon. friend that
the bill would not require goverament machinery or public
money. Oa reading the bill, how,. er he Lund that the
pledge of his hon. friend was not kept, because' ho perceived
that the measure was to be carried into etfoct by the ap-
pointmcnt of a government commission. It was true
they were not to be paid at lint, bat there was a pro-
via on giving a eieht to come to parliament for salare s.
Th.. n with regard to the funds to be raised, he thought that
the government would be undertaking a liege pecuniary re-
spensibility if they absented to the measure in its present
mufti% lie was also of opinion that the compulsory power
given by the bill was too extensive. lie wale sorry to oppose
shill which might give pro liteble employment to the people
of Ireland. Ito thuugl.t that the assistance of pariisment
might be requisite to carry nut the object contemplated by
the measure— (hear, hear)—but lonking to the proviekins of
the present bill, and the machinery by which it was to be
cane d out, he was not prepared to assent to the second
reading.
Sir D. NORREYS expressed himself favourable tothe
principle of the bill. It was a melancholy thing to see
such distrese and went of
employment in Irelind,
of when
there was such an opportunity as the cultivation the
waste iands would atlurd of remedying this evil. lie be-
lieved that some such bill as this was neoc sary to stimulate
the industry of Ireland.
Mr. FRENCH said, that after what had fallen from the
right hon. gentleman he would not divide the house.
The bill was then withdrawn.
LIFE POLICIES OF ASSURANCE BILL.
Mr. FAGAN moved the second readir.g of this bill, the
object of which was to make life polities assignable at la s.
It had been approved of by the great insurance companiee of
this eountry. If the bill passed he believed it would have
the effect ot greatly augmenting the number of polices.
The bill was thenSA read a second time.
LE OF BEER BILL.
The house went into committee on this bill.
On cleuee 1 being proposed,
Mr. SPOONER moved an amendment, that beer-shops
should be awed on Sundays during the morning service.
Mr. THOILNELY objected to the amendment. It was
Weer to fix a definite time.
Mr. SPOONER said that the licenses specified that the
houses were not to be opened during the period of morning
meek%
Sir G. GREY said it was better to define the time. An
act of parliament would override the words of a license.
After some cenvemation, the amendment to insert the
words " before half-past twelve o'clock," was put and
negatived.
The places words, "or in where the services of the prris
I h
church may not usually terminate before that heur," were
then read,
Mr. SPOONER moved to omit these words, butafter many
observations said it was useless to divide the house, and there-
fore he would withdraw bill amendment.
Copt. PECIIELL remarked that this was a very curious
proceeding, and being strongly of opinion that the words
ought to he omitted, he begged to adopt the amendment.
Mr. W. PATTEN opposed it, and after some time occu-
pied in discusdon, the gallery was cleared fur a division, but
none took place.
Capt. PLC HELL having given way,
The clause was erect' to.
Clauses '2, 3, and 4 were agreed to.
On clause 5,
Mr. SPOONER moved an amendment facing a power to
constables and public officers to enter coffee-el.ups " at any
time and as often so they should think proper."
Mr. C. BERKELEY objected to giving any such power,
and moved that the chairman do report progreei.
Mr. HUME Mitt the coffee-shots were a great cause of the
general sobriety which now prevailed in this metropolis. lie
submitted that they were not retailing spirits, but coffin and
tea. The amendment weal I put down the very meets by
which the ADrell.l of temperance was promoted.
Sir J. DUCKWOIt TH thought the amendment would do
much to aid the UMW Ct able coffee-shops.
Sir O. GREY thought the amendment hail better be with-
drawn.
Mr. C. BERKELEY said he would withdraw his motion
if the amendment were withdrawn.
It wanting only five minutes to G,
Mr. SPOONER withdr,:w his amendment actordinrlv,
and the remaining clauses were hurriedly agreed to. The
bill was reported, and ordered to he read a third time on
Wednesday next.
Mr. HUME gave notice that he would, on that occasion,
move to strike out clause 4, which applied the provitioce ot
the bill to coffee-shops.
SUP PLY.
The report of the committee of supply (army estimates)
was brought up and hurriedly agreed to.
Mr. F. MAULE Laid there was an error in one of the
votes which he should to
to correct in the next committee.
NEW BILLS.
Leave was given to bring in tee following bills on the
motion of the members stained
Mr. C. LEWlS—bill to continue enact for authorising the
application of highway retes to turnpike tout
Mr. GROGAN—biII to regulete the amount of present-
meots by the grand jury sal the county of the city of Dublin
for pay meet el the cis rks of the peace of the said city.
Mr. C. LEWlS—bill tor dispensing with the evidence of
the proclamations on had levied iu the Court of Common
Pleas at Westminster.
Mr. PARKER—bill to authoris: the application of port
ot the unclaimed money is the Court for the Relief ot In.
solvent Debtors in enlareing the court house of the said come.
It being six oadeek the house adjourned.

MAILS.
The mails foe British North America, and the United States,
be wiU made up lathe evening of the
Tan 28th July.
Lana, and New
The mails for New South Wide% Diemen's
Zeeland will be made up On the evening of the 314 July.
The mope for the West Coaof Africa and Madeira will be made
up on the evening of thr 3let Jul
The West India Mails, Including Ilcimuda, Puma, 'lamina,
Honduras, New thlevne, Vera Cruz, Tampico, and Porto Giro, and
excluding dew for Madeira, Jemet, Carthvenv, kearta 2d:flits,
cheerer., Panama, West Coast of South America, and St. Juanvde.
Nicaragua, will be revile up on the morning of the 2nd Auguvt.
The malls for the Ilravile, (So Ricer Kate, Monte Vinci, Yernant-
bow. Bahia, Madeira, and BllenoB Ayres, will be made up on tha
evening of the Cli August.
' he overland Limed mails sin Memento., ,
will to thbe made up on o Mediterranean,
pi ypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Ilong-liong, Az the
evening of the lib .
The really for Vigo, Aug
)porto, Lisbon, hisileira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar I
will be mule up en the morning of the Ith Aug.
The overland mails tor Gbaltar, Malta, Greece, the ler.in Wands,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Ithapliong, and China, via Southnnyv
ton, will be made up on the evening of the 19th August.
NOTICE TO ADVEIZTISERS.
The number of STA itil'S lowed by the authorities of the
Stamp-ohice, during 1541, to the
DAILY NEWS war .......... 3.447.009 I
This we believe, is within eight per cent ot the number
',surd 'to the Monsing Herold, MQviiing Chronicle, an I
Morning Post, ALL PUT ToOrTne:,.
In addition to the above, issut 1 to the DAILY NP.WS,
Alt,rning Paper, there were iseuetj tor the Ever.tn? Eci2ion,
TUE EXPRESS 778,714
Which was more, we 'believe, t'..en were issued either to
1 the Globe or Standard, Evening Pat.ers.
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ELECTION CONIMITTEES.—YEsTERDAy.
Dtrimm—Scrutioy continued. Two votes struck
off Mr. Reynolds's majority.
NORTII CILESIIIHE.—Eyiamme as to trotting further
heard.

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A FEENcII GOVEU.I3IENTAL PItESS.—E Union, of 1
the 20th, has the following: "The Committee of the In-
terior has entertained a proposition for the institution of a
gbveromintal 'nil ripulir press, and the creation of public
libraries. The object of this governmental press will be to
oppose publicity to publicity (dorposer 11 publecitj ci la
pub
N). It will @me at onCe for the political Motivation
and moralisation of the people. g

is pending, the issue of which is doubtful. The votes
of Pennsylviwin and New York would ensure success
to either party. Considering the strength of
the Irish in both these states, there will be
no want of professed sympathy for them, until the
issue is decided. The mask will then be thrown off,
and the Irish will find their American, as apathetic
and indifferent as their French, allies. By the middle
of November _a reaction will take place in the pu'ilic
mind in America, which will cause demonstrations
like those now promoted to be caricatured and put
down. Even already the symptoms of reaction are
apparent amongst the more sober and reflecting por-
tion of the public, who find ready expression for their
views in some of the most respec•able journals of the
union. Independently of all others there are two
very grave considerations which will induce the
American people to pause ere they permit
thei: sympathies to be carried too
Jacooiutcal principles espoused by the trans-
atlantic Irish, will be found incompatible, if
encouraged, with the more conservative institutions
of the republic, whilst it will run the risk of becoming
seriously involved, by such demonstn.tions, with a
friendly state. The American people are neither pre-
pared to jeopardise the cause of order at home, nor to
forego their friendly relations with that power, with
which, of all the world, it is most for their inte
ey reswill
t to
keep at peace, for the eake of those whom th
regard as returning the welcome with which they
have been received by an abeso of hospitality equal
to the ingratitude with which a misguided section of
them in the old world have met the generous efforts
of the British people to alleviate their sufferings, in
the darkest hour of their long night of calamity.
Our readers need, therefore, he under no alarm at
these American gatherings, to express sympathy for
Irish rebellion. We confidently predict that, in the
:,curse of a short time, they will die away, and leave
little or no trace behind them. The parry piepoees,
for which they are now partially acquiesced in, once
served, the Americans will find that, in more ways
than one, they are interested in tleir suppression.
They are too shrewd a psople to risk their prosperity
in a quarrel not their own, or to suffer themselves to
be embroiled with this country by a section of the
vast army of strangers whom they have welcomed
to their shores.

LONDON, TIIU.RSDAY, JUL.
THE story of Irish agitation in Ameri Y
ca is easily 27
told. Haven- its origin In the deep-rooted aversion
to the British goverement, race, and name, which
the great bulk of the Irish emigrants carry with them
to the land of their adoption, it assumes, when con-
templated from a distance, an imposing attitude, from
their numbers and position, whilst it is stimulated
into periodic activity by circumstances, to which we
shall presently allude.
The position of the Irish in America is ae peculiar
in Europe their misery ie prominent and
almost
hopeless. hopeless. They form a marked excepti to
the general character of the emigration which
directs itself to the shores of the New World.
The English, the Scotch, and the German emigrants
exchange, respectively, the land of their birth for
that of their adoption, to better their condition, and
generally accoinplish their object. On landing they
remain no lodger than is absolutely necessary amongst
the large cummuniths of the seaboard. They have
not quitted the over-crowded streets of one populous
town to linger in the se of another ; but to hie es last
as possible to those fertile wildernesses, where there
are millions of acres of the richest soil waiting for the
superabundant labour of other climes to reduce
thou to cultivation. For hundreds of miles back
from the coast they find the land already oc-
cupied, to a great extent, by industrious, thriv-
ing, and in many cases opulent, farmers, before
whine industry the forest has gradually disappeared,
and by whose labour the value of the soil hes been
enormously augmented. In the midst of thcs: enter-
prising communities there is room, but still not room
enough for the adventurous emigrant. His plans and
his ambition carry him still further westward—he
traverses the broad belt of the continent, which eivili-
eation hay already redeemed, and seeks a home amid
the magnificent forgets and luxeriant prairies of the
far west, beyond the Alleghenies, and even beyond
the Misstesippi. There, on the very confines of civili-
sation, he courageously takes his stand, getting hun-
dreds of acres of virgin soil almost for a King:
competence being at once his lot,
and,
from be ins early in the field, acquiring wealth
and pixition, as an organised community rapidly
matures around hen; for, in America, states grow up
in less than a arenerat ion. This is the brief history of
the enterprising and intelligent emigrant, who seeks
the American shores to labour for himself, and be-
come, as soon as possible, independent, and who man-
fully carries out his purpose. lie gives himself up at
once and entirely to his new hopes and projects, sinks
the old countryman in the new, and becomes an
American as eoonas healiasemithis lot with Americana.
Would, for their own sekee, that such were the
ease with the Irish emigrants. but as the mass of
emigration is absorbed, as it were, into the broad
continent beyond, it leaves upon the seaboard
a squalid residuum behind it. Few Irishmen
follow the track of their fellow-emigrants to
labour, competency, and independence in the
woods. Whatever m^y be the cause of this, whether
it is that they are deficient in enterprise, that they are
I spiritlese and purposeless on stepping ashore, that
they arc wanting in self-reliance, or that their
miserable antecedents at home have incapacitated
them for self action, certain it is that they do not in-
terfuse, as other emigrants do, with the great
mass of the American people. They will not isolate
themselves, but segremte in large masses in the
towns, remaining Irishmen in everything, instead of
becoming Americans. This is not the case as regards
them all ; but it is incontestably true as regards the
great bulk of them. With want, as their inseparable
companion, labour to supply pres,,ing and
diate necessities is their constant demand.
This ge
thoy generally obtain in the lar ftport
towns, and feeling at home amongst their own
countrymen there, they care not to leave them,
provided they get constant employment. It is thus
that about nine out of ten of the Irish emigrants but
slightly better their condition in their own day and
generation. Tiiey live amid squalor and filn
to thth, in a
land where there are scarcely yet five mee
square mile, and on ti c constant verge of want in a
country which could easily maintain fifteen times its
present population. If you inquire for the St. Gileses
of Boston, New York, Philadclph ia, or Bah imore, you
are invariably directed to the Irish quarter. In each
of these towns you have the repetition of what may
be every day seen in London, Liverpool, Manchester,
Glasgovia and Birmingham. And yet the descendants
of these very emigrants become active and enterpris-
ing, and wealthy citizens, resembling their tathcts
only in this, that they cherish, with equal devotion,
the hate, which they have inherited, to this country.
I, It should be borne in mind then that the picture here
drawn of the Irish emigrant refers only to himself,
and not to his descendants.
It would be a mistake to suppose that this is a
matter which solely concerns the Irish emigrant in
America, or one to which the American is indict rent,
provided it supplies him with euilicient labour for the
performance of what am more peculiarly, the drudgeries
of society. It is accompanied by social and pelt' ical
consequences, of which Irish sympathy and Irish
agitation in America are but mero exemplifications.
In most of the states the suffrage is universal, and the
Irish, particularly in the large towns, become quali-
fied to vote as soon as they have fulfilled the condi-
tions to naturalisation. 'I ho large towns materially
influence the elections in the different states in which
they lie, and, from their segregating propensities,
the vote of thc Irish becomes a powerful
on
in many of the states of the union.
Its influence is enhanced by the nice balance which
exists between American parties in the principal
cities. This makes the Irish vote of the greatest con-
sequence in New York and Philadelphia fur instance,
the side to which it sways being sure to preponde-
rate. To secure it, both parties, previously to an
election, pander to the passions and the views of the ,
Irish residents, outbidding each other for their poli-
tical sup art. Having no mawkish predilections for -
FRANCE.—FIItfiIIIAL OP CH.ATEAUBRIAN.D.—The
Vigte de I °Wit, of the 21st, is entirely Wiled with an se-
party fidelities, they generally give their support to
count of the funeral of Chateaubriand. AU along the road,
the faction which, tbr the tints being, most inflau.es, from Paris to St. Melo, the country people received the
tempts, or flatters them. It is thus that they are hearse coaujoicg the body with every mark of affected and
alternately an aid and an impediment to both, 'being reverence. On the 18th the funeral procession reached St.
in tavonr or disfavour with each, according as they Maio, and the body was given up to the eur of St. Male by
cothenicuuri.fil tithear ii,ieonwsa,Etrriteeercziowf
ePiearlseli7lsmo Itosdr,
ec-
have contributed to its success or defeat. The remi •
the
niscenec of an injury generallyoutlasts the recollection occasion by the two ecclesiasticsP. The National Quanta and
of a benefit, and " native Americanism" was as troops, all the authorities, two hundred priests from different
much the offspring of party, discomfitures as of parts of Britfary, and a vast multitude were present, and
the um asiness which a political incubus, like the accompanied
ittixel coffin to therurei. The ercittmninei
Irish vote, was well calculated to inspire. Scarcely a in.th•seel el3wertocoir cyonesetctteed in Tthewllot du (Legal-
great electoral contest token place without giving the In9ii hi; I?
By. TilJ melancholy proc:ssion which accompanied the
Irish a fresh proof of how they are thus alternately remai.s of the distiogassed deceased was a most imposing
wooed aud spurned, petted and pelted, flattered and ono; it cansiited of several thousand National Guard; from
contemned, appeased and irritated, fawned upon commune; foziletsierioanoti!hoeffothres. town, deirar.
otrirategaLailel
and hated, by the two great political parties in
commune;
deputationsa 'from the colleen of Rennes, St. Sero:
America. van Dul, and Olean; of detachments of troops, sailors,
Another illustration of public is afford( d by what is artillery, ex. Every window
theery house along which
now passing in the rep. At the large Irish of the provesion, and beyond town every apt
gathering!, with t'7eir intemperate and inflammatory tied
itiituf ve.whoof it,:i.w.7,lsesedt crowdedt batytiim spectators,e they
accompaniments, which are occurring there, we feel females,comnsas lowered Tito the tomb speeches were.delivere' dby
no surprise ; nor is there anything wonderful in the
sympathy professed for their object by sections of the NI. Cunat, deputy-mayor of St. Mato ; Id. Ampere, of the
French Academy, and charged to represent it; sad M.
contending political parties. A presidential contest Therry, rector of the Academy of henna.

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