The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-18 00:00:00

and Beals. The negotiation only.beoan a few days before. I
was very much pre wit. Au IRICeMilt was drawn up, h
elt
I have no copy ; Mr. Lewis always took such pipers. 1
Inve he has it. Ceder thet 'green% :et id.. Barry and
received 4,0001 ,my there war 3,20U1.—tour 61ths. Unnerved
Messrs. Chappell r If, ale 6001. or 7001, which ease deelucted.
I paid 6001. to the London and Westminster Benk, which I
owed them. I received the money myself in batik notes.
Tin some day I peed a bin of Mr. Spencer's of 2501,a bill
3001. to Mr. Benham, and gave Mr. Lewis 2501. to pee,
of Mr. liteleficlies; 2601. I paid to Mrs. Levi (mother of Mt.
Lewis) for money lent ; also 6001. more to Mr. Lewis, for
bills due—two Of 3001. each. I had about 6001. left, and with
that I went to Dru y.latie and paid the weeit's salariee due,.
and some of the monthly salaries. I was short abeut 3001. ;
so I went hack to Mr. Lewis, who gave me back 3001. of
what I had given him. I he no recollection whether
I gave him • bill for 3501, or what I did, for I
was very much agitated. By the agreement with
Messrs. Chappell and Beale I was to have an annuity of
300!. a year ter six years, and it was secured by bond. I
knew nothing of the transaction by which 18 bills of 1001.
each were given instead. I never authorised Mr. Lewis to
get such bills in exchange fee the bond; if given at all, it
was without my authority. I aft, retards heard of his bay-
ing those bills, and was much surprised. He said he had
got them to pay my creditors. The agreement also
servicesecured
me 7001. a year for six years, for my protections' s.
The bond was assigned to Lewis on Sunday evening, the
2nd of January. He had dined with us that day, and pro,
due d the assignment himself, which I signed, after consult-
iog my wife. Madame Jullien had d after dinner;
then Mr. Lewis produced the paper, saying it was an agree.
mint for me to sign, by which he should be able to make
some money for my creditors out of the 7001. a year. He
had previously, by my desire, called my crceiton together. I
called Madame Jullien to read the paper; she did so, and then
asked Mr. Lewis what he mean. to do with the annuity of 7001.
He said it was for my good, he stoeld be able to effect an
arrangement with my creditors. 1 instantly signed it, in
resence of Madame Jull.aa. ino one else was present,
except the manurvant migh. have come in with the pen
and ink.
Mr. ieole said it was quite clear the assignees would have
to take proceedings &guns% It::. Lewis, and therefore this
examination would be wore conveniently taken at a private
meeting.—The C • mmisaioner rasps so; but lam now
called oar to decide a differed.; question. M. Jullien has
asked for his certificate, whice is opposed by, three creditors,
who are not content to take a tow farthings in the pound an
their debts.
Mr. Cooke saw no harm from this examination being
made public —The Commissioner: Nor do I. I' think no
evil will arise from the truth being made knewn.
Mr. Cole :1 t might injure tne estate.—The Commissioner
did not think that at al! likely.
The ezzmination was then coetinned : Mr. Lewis took
the assignment away with him in his pocket. I had no
copy. Next morning I erred ne his house in Grozv..nor-
street to receive 601., which I hr. overpaid him. It was
about half-past eight in the morning. I got the
601., rind went away itistantly. Nothing passed then about
the assignment 1 signed nothing, and did not see any of
his clerk'. I immediately suo-ted on my journey to Scot-
land. I went to Lcice.ter os Bioningham that day, end
Bare a concert. In Scotto-el, I learnt from Mr. Levi's
lawyer that two of my bito of 4001. each were due ; he
threatened to make me a baekrupt if they were not paid
immediately ; they were in Mr. Levi's hands. Mr. Lewis
had warned me that two of toe bills were in the hands of
his brother (Mr. Levi) ; he said—" Mind and pay those
bills, for he will make you pay." I sent the letter, or a
copy, to Mr. Lewis, •gging dim to arrange the matter as
well as he could, he having property of mine in his
hands. 1 autherised him IA: arr....etre all my affairs as my
attorney. I did nut than Anew of Levi's execution.
I did not apprise my other treditors of Levi's letter; I
ere hed to keep it as secret as I could. I afterwards learnt
that my property in Harley•etrees had been seized under
',Peg execution. There was a largo music-room, called the
Beethoven Room, attached to the house. In 1847, I ex-
pended 1,6001. in repairing eel fornishing that roam. Of
this I paid 3001., and Mr. Boehm is a creditor for the re-
mainder. A portion was to have Seen paid on the comple-
tion of the room, but that was teniyed for three months
beyond the time, which causes: me great inconvenience. 1
expected to be able to defray the sr..nense out of the letting
of the room and out of my pmfasional earnings. I have not
the 'care of the house in Hariesywtreet ; Mr. Lewis has it
he has got all my papers. The lease was not assigned to him,
I paid '2OOl. for fixtures, &c., bete", the lease was executed.
• I never authorised Mr. Lewis to heed over the lease to Levi,
to be sold by the shefel. I knew nothing of whet Levi was
doing till the man came to ties pomession in Harley-street.
On my return from the north a meeting of my creditors was
held, about the sth of Februare. Mr. Lewis then stated
• that there were no proceedings going on which would prevent
an arrangement wi.h the err :core.
Mr. Chapels explained that this meeting was on the 3rd
February, and was a meeting of the creditors of Jullien and
Barry. Mr. Lewis then positively declared that no proceed-
ings were going on,. and on the eel.; next day Levi's emu-
' tion was put in. The meeting of the separate creditors was
on the Stn.
Mr. Cooke read an ageeennot Into which the creditors had I
entered, eonsenting to accept 1,5001. a year till the debts
were paid, Mr. Lewis being the frecurity, and Mr. Benham
. and another creditor being ski:attired assignees. One condi-
' Bon was that H. Jullieu should not be disturbed in his pos-
e' session in liarley-street. Nineteeogwentiethe of the anti-
; tors bad signed that sgreemoot
, M. Jullien continued • That arrangement was not carried
latoeffeet becauee certain creditors reviled to sign it, amongst
them Mr. Bielefield and Madame !onus (leas. I was then ad-
vised by Mr. Chapple to make myself • bankrupt, because it
would cost so mime to utility the dissentient parties. I was
made a bankrupt soon after the to/notion, and nothing was
left for my creditors. As to my facture earnings being taxed,
I think my position will be much injured by my being a
bankrupt. I know not what to expect from my profession ;
still I have no °ejection to bind imyself by writing to pay all
my creditors RS far as I can, it I am allowed my personal
liberty. The offer of 1,5001. a year was made on condition
that I should be allowed to go on. This was not done, and
lam ins much worse rondo:: now. lam receiving about
731. 101. a week at the Zoological Gardens, out of which I
pey near 201. I have no other source of income at present.
Mr. Fawkes, one of the opposing creditors, is a creditor for
4601. When I nest dealt ere h:ra I promised to pay him
weekly. He supplied the dreams at the theatre, matins, and
so forth.
Mr. Richd. Fawkes, draper, Of Russell-'trees CoVent-
garden, deposed—The eank.ept commenced dealings with
me about November last. .1 week before Christmas he
asked me, as a particular leeour. to let his account run a
fortnight instead of a week, teeing he would then punctually
pay it. I went on supplying coax, amounting in the whole
to 4031. The bill was ant is. at the end of the time, but
was not paid. I went over anti maw Y. Jolliest, who promised
payment on the following eionday, through Mr, Oye, the
treasurer, who, when applied to ,:pressed surprise, and said
he had no money, and M. Jullien had gone out of town.
That was Monday, the 3rd of J..uary. We sent a writ to.
Y. Jullien, at Leeds, who reArred us to Mr. Lewis as to his.
perfect ability to pay 20a. ii the pound I afterwards at-
tended the meeting of crediten, and was one who agreed to
the arrangement. But for me promise of payment in full
the following week I should not nave continued the Credit.
I oppose now oat of no personal foaling. but in the hope that
something may be done for t-e chief s.—By Mr. Chapple :
I began to supply the theatre in November.
The Commissioner here erharked that it was extremely
unfortunate the creditors Ina nen come to an arrangement
to make Janie° a bankrupt as fleet, as they had thus put it
in the power of Mr. Lewis and le.r. Levi to get poreanon of
the whole of the property.
Mr. Cooke observed that Lad the creditors determined to
set en the declaration of int. eiveney when it was laid before
them, it would then have teen too late, as Mr. Levi's exc.
cutiOn had been put in on th., prowding day.
The Commissioner : But the question for me in this case
is the conduct of M. Jullien; ia_il I must say that it has
been the conduct of an hone-e. man. The moment he learnt
what had happened, he took the advice of a respectable slit
chew, and tendered a demure:len of insolvency to the
creditors.
Mr. Cooke: I am not premeno the case against him ea
that ground ; it is his geners- weituct previous to that time,
and his extraysg'.nt expendOure.—The Comosimioner ; In
my opicion, very little is to b., acid on that ground.
Mr. Cooke : Then there is the speculation at Drury-lane
Theatre, which was most rase and unwarrantable.
The Commissioner On that r'int, I think he was justi-
. fled in venturing in the wry Le did. He appears to have
had a very considerable capitate 11 JuLien appears here with
nothing ; then the question crises. why is this so I Bemuse
he had Callen into extremely tied hands (I hardly dare use
the expression which suggetts itself tome) ; and when he
attempted to extricate housed, and threw himself into the
hands of his respectable creditors, they did not some forward
in the way that they ought to hove done ; they had such a
dread of the Court of Bankoiptcy that they did not avail
themselves of all the advantage which his conduct of-
fered them. After some fin .are remarks from Wx. Cooke,
• The Commissioner said: Inihincaa the firseotnection m.de
• to the allowance of M. Jullien 's certificate was that his ex-
penditare bed been esteesive ; and, if this could be shown,
it would certainly be a reason *or postponing at least the
immediate allowance of, the oertifunte. Dirt, looking se It
as it a put down in the halal .ersneet, it does not appear to
me at all emotive in the cirnimstanees in which he was
placed. He was obliged to ge about from plug to place,
and nesessanly incurred much 'epees' ip that way.. Then
there were other wanness wnreb mere from the numeity 'of
his taking a bowie with a comfort room attached to it, the
rent and taxes of which were incusarily.extremely heavy.
Amongst his personal expenses, were " to,
"presents to satiate and others," which altogether ML
amount to 1,8641. in a year =d r. quarter.
bed
items, the expenditure of M. Jullien and hiswitelffneM
found to be at all emotive The text objection was the
had commenced these to.eculations having no Capita
whatever 1 to support whicn me attention was Galled to an
item in the accounts, which thews that he was at one time
wale than nothing. But that objection vaniahee when one '
sees that it rioters merely to his private estate as contradis-
languished from some valuable property which he had in a
shop in Bogeat-street. Thar pioperty was sold in the latter
Put of 1847 for 4,0001, feorg.nhe of which went
to IL Jullien, and the purchasers undertook to allow
him two annuities of 3001. and 7001., in consideration of
tatters services, it must be permeated in connexion with that
shOp. To say, therefore, ander Neigh circumstances, that H.
Juliien had no capital whatever, is to state that for which
than it no warrant. The nage objection wait that his spa.
gelation@ were unwarrantable render the circumstances; and
Whop. it might be aid that thou simeolations werg ,uwar-
if the elate of his affairs as to capital were such U
has been represented. But, considering what a quantity of
npital M. halters has had, west very great nooses in life he
had had
for
i nine years preceding—for I twiny., he had risen
afrom very nferior station into a very respectable one—l
fhiak it is only due to persons Peeseesul of such t‘'.411:48 as