The Express.
London, England, 1847-12-20 00:00:00

lint fads.

THE INTITTOTE OP TRE FINE ARTS held its first
meeting for the season on Saturday. The attendance was
large, but the works exhibited were scarcely equ►l in inte-
rest to the collections commonly entered for the Graphic.
very clever water-colour drawing, a St. Cecilia, with at.
tendant figures, by Mr. John Tenniel, was one of the chief
attractions of the evening. This, we believe, is a design in
illustration of Dryden's, intended for one of the many ante-
' rooms or balls in the new houses of parliament, and is in
every respect a very great advance on the cartoon for which
Mr. Tenniel obt lined a viz,: in one of the Weqminster
exhibitions. The face of St. Cecilia is very fine—a poetic
head, not drawn as St. Cecilia have too often been by dis-
tinguished artists from singers of eminence like Miss Link),
or Mrs. Billington. Sir William Ross contributed a few
unfinished miniatures exhibiting his usual qualities of deli-
cacy and finish, and Mr. S. C. Hall some water-colour draw-
ing. made for his forthcoming publication of the Vernon
Gallery.
THE VERNON COLLECTION.—The trustees have
selected Mr. Haghe's large water-colour drawing as one of
the pictures composing the Vernon gift to the National
Gallery. We are glad of this, and trust that in the wets
National Gallery (whenever we gt it) a room may be set
apart for the reception of drawings illustrative of the English
school of painters in water-colours.

AND CLERICAL

DV/MAIL—At a Comm:Mica, holden Deo. 15, CI. Butler,
M.A., Ram. of Exeter Coll., Oxford, was admitted ad enindess. The
following Students in Theology were admitted to be Lkentiates in The-
elegy :-3. D. Anderson, 8.A., J. Burton, C. C. 0. Holler, 8.A., P.
Rudd, 8.A., Fellow of the University, It. J. Simpson, EA., C. Thoro-
tan, B.A. The Professor of D.vinity was nominated by the Warden
to the aloe of dub-Warden, and the nomination was approved by
the home. Graces were pawed : To accept a scholarship ofd I. a
year, to be held by a Student in Theology, and • collection ,
tures, both bequeathed to the university by the late James Barry,
Esq., of the city of Durham. To grant from the university chest 1001.
to meet • like MHO given by the late Rev. Canon Oishonse towards •
building fund for the university museum. To puchase somei property
in the North Bailey, belonging to the charity trustees for the city of

Nor Pairs, eit rii;tiatz -Lllefiar; Laid ineuTts;si;daSpeelal Jury.
Tut QUEEN v. CAPTAIN CHARRITID, SIR WIS. YorNer,
ANNA STEWART, AND EALLETT.—INDICTMENT POE
TBAITICRINO IN THE SALE OP AN EAST INDIA CADET-
/Min.—The Attorney-General, the Solicitor-General, Sir
F. Kelly, QC. Mr. L. Wigram, Q.C., Mr. Clarkson, Mr.
Peacock, and idr. Forsyth appeared for the prosecution.
Mr. Crowder, Q.C., awl Mr. Warren, for the defendant
Charretie ; and Mr. Cockburn, Q.C., Mr. James, Sir John
• ORDINATIONS. Bayley and Mr. Phipson, for Sir Wm. Young. The other
OXPORD.—Yesterday the Bishop of Ozford held an ordi-
defendants had not pleaded. The indictment charged the
nation in the cathedral of Christ Church, when the following gentle. defendants with having violated the 49th Geo. 111., c. 128,
men were admitted into holy ordero, o,ford a. 3, by having conspired to procure for money the nomina-
te. E. Batty, MA., Brasencee ;It Ciodalt, M.A., Fellow of Queen'. ; lion to a certain office in the mrsice of the East India Com-
C. Werner, FLA., Scholar or Worcester; W. F. Dothan*, MA., Fellow pony, to wit, a cadetship ; and, in a second count, for a like
of All Souk ;T.C. L. Layton, MA., Scholar of Pembroke ; E. 8. „ m'mitted ti the defendants Charratie, Stewart,
Foulkes, M.A, Fdlow of Jesus; W. J. itatineett, &A., Wadnam ; F. s'"`"ce
B. peyoe, „h.. Fellow of ;0. ford, Queue. J. 0. and Rallett, fradulently and unlawfully procuring for
Joyce, BA., Magdalen Hall ;T. IL Bakewell, &A., Magdalen Hall; pecuniary reward 'or consideration the sale of a cadetship,
F. Temple, WA., Fellow of Baffled ;C. E. Priebard, '14.4., Fellow of and by Sir Wm. Young in assisting the other three defer,-
• ; W. Nate, 8.A., Queen's ;T. A. Walker, &A., St. John's. dent, therein.
OyCialvidge: B. Holt, 8.A., lit. John's; 0. K. Weston, B.A. Ems. From the opening address of the Attorney-General it ap-
no.oel ; A. Trevor,
o.Tre.tiovorm,: Bs..Avi„.Cow.rpusyt...
pCheuoris.tia;
Trini& 11;3;17,
CTrin.
Lititttye:
pared that, in the year 1843, a gentleman residing in Edits-
• Tiinity ;T. Podmore, ILA., St. John's ;T. Masterman, 8.A., burgh, and there carrying on the Mutate of solicitor to the
Wahl= ; V. C. Smith, &A., Fellow of New ;0. Permian, &A., Supreme Court, named Wotherspoon, renewed his acquaint
Cbspkbs of Christ Church; J. W. Freeborn, RA., Worcester, Chap- erne with Mrs. Stewart, one of the defendants, the widow of
ndie d cant Church ; H. 0. Merriman, Fellow of New ; W. 8. an officer in the army, who bad herself been in India. tie
ftoMeivllifa_vildiew of Bramwse ; Arrowunith, Octetke to her about the desire of his eldest son to obtain an
MR. Chaplain of Christ Church ; H. J. Dysoe, B.
Fa/Awe Marisa; W. A. Hill, MA-, Worcester ; R.Hase, M. St. Prqment in the army : she intimated that if a certain sum
ligeseed /OW a New Con.; T. B. Mamaniara, 8.A., Hag- was paid, a commission might be obtained ; and, on her
dabs item Of L. F. Clarkson. 8.A., Emanuel ; E. shortly afterwards going to London from Edinburgh, Mr.
Prat, 8.A., St. John's ;T. H. Tait, 8.A., Trinity ;J. T. Hocaireo, Wotberspoon remitted to her there a sum of 1,1001. fur that
LA, Morlaim. urpora. She did not succeed, and a sum of 1,0802. war, not
LONDON.—Yesterday the Bishop London held a gene-
rota afterwards, returned to Mr. Wotherspoon, who, from
Tai eggingem la the *bowl of his at Fulham, when the fol. . . .
brew seede.mteees admitted ho y D G. that time till this middle of 1844, heard nothing further about
Awing % 8.A., Magdalen Hell, Oaf., nominated assistant-curate of the matter. Early in that year the defendant Hallett,. whose
Al Wawa, Breadaareet; It. Barry, 8.A., St. John's, Camb., noel. conduct had, no a former occasion, been succadully uneati-
natal saistant-curste of St. Pancras, Middlesex; H. Beattie, 8.A., gated by the East India Company, applied to a Mr. Trotter
TrieltrYi paean, sloe-principal of the Weebninetec Ttelnlng ; for an introduction to an East India director, or tome
H. Hayman, B A., St. Johns, Oaf., nominated curate of St. Luke's rson who could obtain an appointment. Mr. Trotter in -
Church, Mtnaanev; J. Heal 8.A., Exeter OxL, nominated curate Pe
et aaja-w—ek j0hme„,,,,,0g 7t. M. moo., BA, Bt. trodueed Rallett to Captain Caimans, who was the
Pura* anted eseletenhoutate of fn. Giles's-bs.tes. secretary of the A dative Mining Company, of which Sir
rabbs; /. J. ILA., AWN*" Catab., master of the Cram- Witham Young was a director. In the month of June,
mad &dad, aanisatel issistant.atuata of Holy Trinity 1844, Mrs. Stewart stated to Mr. Wotherspoon that she was
Clawak DBIBOBNIS stalm""it• Beet' Dkriait.r, Can't'', then certain of obtaining an appointment for his son, and
tor Ow wississ seta Si the Britirh crown • W. Clark, J.
B. a.m.. 88.8,84 and J. J. Letoier, eh of the he vs to her, just as she was about to leave Edinburgh
am./ *dee BdBBBB sad depsddiddiadd the for London, a draft on Jones Loyd and Co. for 10801. A.
MEM crown. Main pollutes wan aim slotted by the however, he expressed a desire to be in some way satisfied
NOM of Lauda be eineefe'llardwils m Wien ealthiscr7 his that the negotiation would proceed, she shortly afterwards
Om/ the Melaka', Si Clinteeken Y. & Bass, &Ai 8t- John's, sent to him a litter containing another letter, which was in
Cana.; C. N. PBS" ILA., Christ's, Camti.,• in. N. Ward, B.A, these words My dear Charretie, 1 shell have much plea-
Pembroke, Caleb. Paoits.—ltev.F.O.Blomidi, ILA., Balßol,
8.8888 c...„ of 8, Mary Abbott.. church. Kmintee... G. j. sure in giving an appointment to your young friend, William
lisafield, M.A., Exeter, Dar,
_lkaond mats Si 11. Joba's Church, White Wotherepoon, in November.—W. Young." The
WeeranaDter ; Ben. B. H. Bwrilimmat _Ohrlseehrtß4 Oil.; order was duly cashed, in the following notes:—One of 5001.,
Beamed curate of Lalettam-with.giakera, litten• Rev. J. Bum- one of 3001., two of 1001., five of 101., five of 51., ald
31. 2s. Id. in casb, the discount being equal to the difference.
stead, &A., New lan Hall, Oxf.h
.11mmeed cunt* of Trinity Church,
permed ca..
1c3,ft7,117.;!tet, r. C. urch, 11.:1=dirlii,v5tirriikiVel..Crt:, Trinity, ezz The possession of these notes was to be traced to some of
licensed curate of Mbidiesea; Rev. 0. S. Ombler, the defendants. Hallett paid sum of MI. to Trotter for
BA., University, Oa, Arab of N. fames Norland, Ken- the introduction to Charretie, and the larger portion was
eine= Rev. B. 3. W isilibm• LA. Gee Eat ,amea, licensed received by Charretie himself. The nomination wee made
curve of BouAPbChloOl. A. r Iterate in November, 1844, and it then became necessary to con-
perw,n, one theta,alzailleemam teti 10.1 Training 15rowayeaw" ; Rev' te.e• the appointment, by executing certain papers whichd. ,
dependencies of the British arena. 'Ks ' gentlemen warn a prescribed form, and along with other matters, contained
also admitted into the priesthood by the Lied Bishop of Lmdan, on a solemn declaration by the paeans applying for, receiving,
letters anti/eon (ran as Grata the Ashok of Canterbury Rev. and giving an appointment, that they did not give or
F. J. P.d,head, 8.A., Queen's, Comb.; Rev. E. M. Muriel, M.A., Om- receive any actual or future pecuniary consideration for it.
vine and Calm, rinto.; Rev. 3.0. T. Pittman, BA., University, At that time Mr. Wotherspoon knew nothing of Sir William
Durham. Young but nevertheless his son's petition for the appoint-
Itue Herren- —Yesterday the Bishop of Rochester held
a general o,.,oinehoo mehhp. awe, et. urea,. meet rotated that he had been nominated by Sir William
refuter. The right rev. prelate admitted the following gentlemen Young, at the recommendation of the petitioner's father.
min holy orders .—enoses.—Rev. J. D. Hodgson, H.A., Fellow of The next paper was the actual nomination, which stated that
St. Peter's, Cam.; Rt.. P. G. Mc Douai, M.A., Christ Church, Oil. ; Sir William Young presented the young man on one of hie
flev. C. 13. kodnelli Clllll*. Con j il•Edwe.„ 5, B.A, nominations fur the season, and added, " I declare from the
Downing, Ces'ltee. V. Mat., New ,__ Ott.; character I have received of him from his father, who certifies
Rev. J. W. MOWN 8.A., New Inn Olt ; Rev. J. P. Pops, 8.A.,
Christ's, Cam.; Rev. D. F. Jarman, BA, tit. John's, Cam.; Rm. A. that he is well acquainted with his character, family, and
M. Preston, 8.C., Trinity, Caro. ; Rev. J. W. Harding, examined connexions," that he is fit to be recommended for an
student of St Maya Halt Oxf. (not sworn to canonical obedience) appointment. Then came a paper, with questions by the
Rev. C. Hawkins, Esthete a Civil taw, Chrid Church, Orr.; Res young sun himself, which stated that his father recom-
menaed him, and a declarroion by Si, William Young that
PAL 0211, BA., Trinl_y, con, Ducoes—C. G. Pickshall, BA,
T. ngtef.'Behieh.a,• mime. st.Lawjali 11"4.1.ia caaaen'; Oaf.; fu." he believed all the statements in these several papers to be
Wedmore, , ParbrokeebeL correct. The next paper was a certificate of the young man's
Wouciatala.—Yostarda the Bishop of Worcester held birth, which wee sent to Eiinburgh to be filled up. It was
an ordination at the Church of that eity, when the returned, and with it the required declaration, signed by
following were admitted Into holy orders: Ducoes—E. Hayfield, Wotherspoon, that the nomination had been nude without
literate; W. 3. Dean, ILA., Oaf.; E. Doer*, Cara.; A. Enna, MA, fee or reward. The son was appointed to the Medea army,
(hL; H. B. Faullmer, ILC.L, Cam.; IL Harding, M.D., Oxt. ;J. D. and left for India in December, 1844. Iu the course of the
Harkins, M.A., Oaf. ; A. King, BA, Oxf. • F. OfillYW, &A., Oats;
&N. Peaskowies, Iterate; 0. Peaks, &C.L, Casa. • T. IL O. Pule. year 1848 some investigationaffecting Rallett took plane,
Wanes lkdo ORL iC. L. Thomas; L ,A, Dik.; It, Dwatewei, which excited the alarm of some of the other, sad an the

Moth of July of that year Capt. Charretie called on
lit. Wellse:spoon, told him that some inquiries were going
ea respolleg the appointment of his win, and requested him
to wells MA antedate a letter to Sir Wm. Young respecting
a person named Gordon, who had run away greatly in debt
'to Sir gram Young, from which it might
been usint sprit that Mr.
Wotherspoon and Sir Wm. Young bad ances
of long standing. Mr. Wotherspoon refused, an Charretie
went away. A correspondence between them commenced
shortly afterwards, and in the month of August Mr. Wotber-
won received a letter which stated it was most irame Int
that Charretie should see him immediately, as false ri puts
were in circulation respecting the appointment whip So
Wm. Young had "so kindly and gratuitously glven" to hie
son. There was another letter on the 12th of September in
which Mr. Wotherspoon was pressed to go to London to see
Sir Wm. Young, and Charretic inquired for tie addros of
Mrs. Stewart. On the 15th of September Mr. Wotherspoon
answered this letter by eupgestisg that they should meet
at York; and on the same day he wrote to 8:r
William Young, addressing him as an old friend,
asking his advice as to the best mode of remitting menu to
his son in India, and adding that his son "likes India very
well, which enhances the value of your gift; indeed, ee
well, that his younger brother Hebert is desirous of going
out to India, though he has nearly completed his term of
service to become a writer to her Majesty's signet."
(Laughter.) Sir Wm. Young answered this letter on the
17th of September, staying that the best mode of making a
remittance WM, by obtaining at the India-house a treasury
order on the government at Madras, and expressing a wish
to tee Mr. Wotherspoon in London, as he had some law buse-
nem in Scotland relating to a sum of 8,0001. or 10,0001. on .
which he should like, before incurring heavy law expenses,
to consult him. At that time a secret committee for inves-
tigating this matter was sitting. Sir James Weir Hogg
acted as chairman, and Sir Wm. Young was called benne it.
He was told that a short hand waiter was present, who would
take down his answers to the questions wh,ch would be put
to him; that he might refuse to answer them; but that if
he answered them, his answers might be used against him.
He expressed his readiness to answer, and his answers were
taken down. They were in part read by the learned counsel,
and subsequently at length by the officers of the court. The
material par-gee were these:—" I know Mr. Wotherspoon;
I became acquainted with him by emploe hug him to do law
business for me in Scotland. Ho sent up his son with a letter
requesting that I would confer the cadetship on him. I told
the son he should have what his father askea for. I had a
letter within the lain mouth thanking:me. Do not know Mrs.
Stewart. Have seen Trotter in the Asturian entice. Have
no reason to suspect that any persons connected with the ap-
pointment gave or received mom y. I think it is possitle I
addressed a letter promising the appointment to Welber-
, spoon. All I hare to state is, I gave the appointment to
Wotherspoon's son, on the son coming. There wee no inter-
vention. that I know of but that of the father. There was
no intimacy between the father and myself. I say I did not
give it for consideration to me; I do not believe that any con-
sideration for it was given to any one. I do not know
Trotter. I have seen him in the office of the Asturias corn-
peel, of which lam a director." Other letters pastel. Ica
one Charretie urged Wotherspoon to come to London, and
when he came, to say that he had seen Sir W. Young at
Glasgow between the 12th and 20th of Ju1y,1842 Wotlier-
spoon wrote to Sir W. Young, thanking hun for tho inform-
ation about the mode of remitting money saying that he
could not go to London, and adding that he
would give what assistance he could in the law-
suit in Scotland. Sir \V. Young was again examined
before the secret comueittee on the 24th and 28th of Septem-
ber, and was asked by the secret committee to procure
Waherspoon's attendance before it. Though he bed pro-
raised the secret committee not to divulge the metier, he
communicated to Charretie a copy of his letter to Wother-
speon. The answer of Wotherspoon to Sir Wm. Young
inquired what it was that the former had beetled in the nomi.
nation papers, and requested that Sir Wm. Young wined
send to him copies of them. Sir Wm. Young did not Make
ltilheerftedqdruicres!,Apar,ewrrs
itooenWinothaernroomno,
Young would swear to be his. On the 2nd of ()debar
windWde under butcot
which,e frQ
hwa.awyr, drci
some persons who knee Sir Win.
Wotherspoon wrote to Charretie, saying that it was impos-
sible for him to say.whether his attendance in London would
he benefical or prejudicial to Sir Wm. Young. Oa the 30th
of September, however, Charlene had written to Wother-
spoon, urging him to acme to London, and saying that there
were suepirions that the appointment of his son had be u
bought, but that Sir W. Young had assured the court that is
had notbeenbought Wothenpoon answered this letteron the
eth of October, eayie.g that he would net go to London until
he should lee written for specially, asking whether the into-
meets he should Lave to me lte must be made on oath, and
intimating that both Sir W. Young and Char retie ought to
have stood on the defensive. Chareetio wrcto egain to
Wotherspoon on the Bth of October, saying that be mistook
the position in which Sir W. Young stood ; that no blame
was attributed to hint except for giving a cadetship on toe
short an acquaintance; that Sir W. Young had deni d
having been paid for it, and bad said that he had given it on
account of his knowledge of Wotherspoon, derived trout
having employed him in • matter relating to an agent by
whom he had been employed. The letter went on to my
that this referred to Oordon's ease, and " on it depends your
acquaintance with him, and it is the reuon why he gave you
the eadetship." Wothenpoon replied that he could not write
as Charretie bad suggreted, because there were bunting
reasons which would make all men of business dishelieve such
statements. Wotherspoon persisted in not going to London,
until at length his attendance was requested by the directors,
and he thee went. Sir W. Young had been asked on the 9th of
October by the secret committee, whether be knew whether
Wotherspoon was in Edinburgh, and he said that he did not,
as, in obedience to the orders of the committee, he hod net
opened his mouth on the matter out of that room. Oa the
19th of October, Wotherepoon came to London, and went to
Rhodes's hotel, whence he sent his card to Sir W. Young
and Captain Charretie, the latter of whom called on him the
next morning before breakfast, saying that Sir W. Young,
who was below, wished him to remain firm to the state-
ment of their previous connexion, on account of Gordon ;
Wotherspooa refused, and Charretie went away. On the
samc day Wotherepoon went to the India House tar the pur-
pose of being examined. He inquired fur Sir W. Young,
was told that he was not there, and bad goes away to a
short distance when a porter called him beck. Before he
reached Sir'. Young's room be met biro, and Sir William,
whom he had never seen before, said " You know that you
were my agent in Sco'.land, and that I wrote to you at
Glasgow in 1842." They then went into Young's room,
where Wotherspoon refused to make any such statement as
that proposed to him, and went away. On the 21st
of October, Sir W. Young wrote a letter to the
secret committee, dated the 19th, in which, after
saying that he availed himself of the permi.aion given
by the committee to correct any parts of his evidence, a copy
of which had been sent to Dim, he expressed a wish that so
much as related to Wotherspoon might be expunged from
the record ,• that after a most careful search he had been un-
able to fled the letters which he thought would establish that
statement, and that since • severe illness, five years before,
he felt that be could not rely on his memory; that Charretie
had applied to him for the cadet Lip ; that he bad not had
the least suspicion that money had been given for it; that he
had seen the young man, who had appeared to him to be an
every respect eligible ; and that therefore he had appointed
him. Onthe 21st of October Mr. Wotherspoon was examined
before the secret committee. Captain Charretie was also
examined. Upon these facts, and the effect of the several
letters and examinations, the learned counsel called on the
jury to convict the defendants. The purport of the letters
has already been described. Of the remainder of the evi-
dence, the following is material :
Thomas Robert Clarke, the head of the cadet depart-
meet since 1815.—1 pass cadets; here is a nomination
paper, signed by Sir William Young, dated 27th Now m-
her, 1844, and William White Wotherepoon, the cadet,
passed the committee the 27th November, 1844 ; the words
• at the recommendation of his father" are in the 110111i,,a-
-tioll. That implies that the father obtained the appointment
from Sir Wm Young. These are the usual appointments
I know Sir William Young's handeriting. This letter in a
feigned hand I believe to be Sir Wm. Young's handwriting.
Creasexionined (for Capt. Cbarretie): In the ease of a
parent the filling up the petitims by the " recommendatory
person" is dispensed with. Here it is filled up. The papers
are sent. The nomination gives a right to go out. The
Mr. Menthe.—l am secretazyw‘eTurtaz:Lihtoi.eyitino.Eues:cgont
commission is obtained on lauding in India. He takes a
certificate of appointment with him, signed by the secretary.
—(For Sir Wm. Young): Sir Wm Young has been a director
20 years. He is aged. I don't know his age. He has been
.ailing for some time.
Mr. Gl,ddon, assistant to Mr. Gurney, proved the note. of
Sir Wm. Young's evil, nee before the secret committee, and
that at the commencement of the proceedings the chairman
told Sir Wm. Young that what he said would be taken down
and might be used against him. The examination was then
read, and was in substance the same with the statement of the
Attorney-General.—Cross examined : Five directors, the
secretary, the solicitor, and the gentleman under examination
wen present in addition to myself.
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Isismorand um on the letter and envelope when I received
ft I have known Sir William Young many yeah. He has
beat in a very bad state of health. I think he is in • state
of great infirmity. He is between 70 and 80. His nervous-
ness has increased oflate years. His mind is not perhaps so
strong. I think the infirmity might affect his memory. By
the judge.—lt did not appear to me at the examination thee
he was incapable of following the questions. Full opportu-
nity was given to answer.
Mr. Wotherspoon.—l reside at Edinburgh. Am
solicitor of the supreme court. I have known Mrs.
Stewart since 1822. I had a communication in 1841
with her about • cadetship for my son. I asked her
when she went to London to procure • commission in the
Queen's service or that of the company. She gave me to
understand she bad the influence. bhe mentioned that his
name must be put into the list at the Horse-Guards. Shortly
after I remitted to her 1,0001. She had said it
would require a sum of that sort to get the ap-
pointment. I remitted her another 1001. The sum
of 1,0801. was returned, and no appointment procured.
I saw her again in June 1844. She said she was going to
London again, and might get the appointment then, as tabs
had a communication abut it. I sent to her this bank

draft, to her lodgirge in Edinburgh. I got this acknowledg-
ment from her. (The draft and the acknowledgment wins
read.) I sent 1,1001. on the first occasion, and the 1,0801. en
the second, as 1,1001 we, the cum she bad first mentioned.
She went to London the next day. In the letter she said the
appointment would be made very soon. I remember receiv-
ing, through her, a letter enclosing one, purporting to he
signed by W. Yourg. It was returned to her by her request.
&r.
Routh use called, and said • I know Mrs. Stewart.
She is not in this country. I hare seen her letters. 1 last
eaw her in this country about two months age.
Mr. Routh, jun. : I know M. Stewart. A brother et
mine married her daughter. She is not in this country. She