The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-23 00:00:00

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAT, MAT 22.
Loan CAMPBELL (in the ateenee of the Loan CHAN.
cainoa) took his seat as Deputy-Speaker at 5 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND READINGS. Division of the Living of
Richmond and Kingston upon Thames; Whittlesey Saint
Mary end Whittlesey Saint Andrew Union of parishes, and
for improving the town of Whittlesey, Bills.
THIRD READlNGS.—Bradford Waterworks ; Scottish
Amicable Life Assurance 8 .ciety (incorporating and con-
ferring powers) ; Universal Railway Casualty Compensation
Company; Hartlepool Gas and Waterworks, Bills.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
COMMITTEES.— Neriration ; Apprehension cf De-
steer. ; Servers Acta Amendment; Bale.
THIRD READING. —Small Debts (Scotland) Acts
Amendment Bill.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Baia Houses.—By Lord BROUGHAM, from Hudders-
field, foe the abolition of licenses to beer houses.
ALIENATION or TITRES. —By Lord REDESDALE,
from the clergy of Bridport, on the subject of alienation of
tithes.
AostsctrurunaL Durrassa.—By the Earl of STRAD-
BROKE, from numerous places, complainiog of agricultu-
ral distresssad praying for relief.,
CHORCIL OP ENGLAND AND IRELAND. —By Lord
BROUGHAM, petitions from members of the united
Church of England and Irellnd resident in 800tland, on
various subjects connected with the established church.

CHAIRMAN OF COI

Lord during itie—aiience of the
Earl of Shaftesbury, Lord Beaumont should act u chairman
of committun—Agreed to.

RIVER PLATE.

The Reel of HARROWBY bad called the attention of
their lordakice a short time ago to the condition of affairs in
the River Plate, when the noble marquis had given his
SNIIIIIIIOII that, from information which he had received,
the matters in dispute would shortly be arranged in a man-
ner satialactory to this country. It was only two or three
days ago that they had seen an account in the papers that
some eirmgentent had been coma to between the French
and BIWA Ministers and General Roses, which had been
sent home to receive the sanction of their respective mun-
iments.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that the only infor-
mation which he could give the nobly earl was that the anti-
cipations which he ventured to express some time ago were
confirmed by the Wanly's°, which he bad lately received.
At the same tint• he must say that the negotiations bad not
arrived at that state at which it would be convenient to make
them the Dialect of a special communication to the house.
Than Gould be but little doubt that they would be brought
to a eatidactory conclusion.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said the statement of the noble
marquis was most satisfactory, if be understood correctly
that the bade of the arrangement which had taken place
was that which had been taken out by Mr. Hood, who had
been sent by him (the Earl of Aberdeen) some years ago.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made some observations,
which were inaudible in the gallery.
THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND IN SCOTLAND.

LOWBBOUOIiAii on presenting, pnniukiliViajos
the petitions from la mars of the mated church of Eoglanel
and Ireland resident in Ear land, said that the petitime were
from membersof the church of England and Indeed tempo-
rarily settled in Scotland. It was a matter chitty alsterest
to the parties concerned. lie did not state his *am either
la favour of, or opposition to, the views of the pahissers.
The politica las very well drawn no, sad the gurgles ably
erred, bat he preferred stating the substage is resin the
=BThe ministers of the petitions wore or-
"by bishops of the proatrat shank but the
Wakens of dm other sect—the Baia Peals* °bulb—
were net so cod deed. Epiacop toy whisk anis leek a deep
root Is flatland, was utterly put down by the ernietian of
1689, sad presbytery was established to lie deed. Dy the
10th Asa, rap. 7. the petitioners wese Mews" to "oda. m
*ter swan as they chose, taking the sea alewn tad
saiwwwasy. The noble and learned lard preersist hoes
the at the English Char& in llesehal, eat the
Nose& Clara down to 1792, who oriels idyl
lips wavelets& to the latter on their eau tithe the
etch et ,to pray for the royal , sub-
stabs the arab'. These terns they to is 1804,

but they said privately among themselves that they sub.
scribed the 39 %Aides, holding them to be in unison with •
certain book called" A Layman's account of his faith in the
eekcopal ohm& of Sestlancl." In 1840 the late Archbishop
of Cantattery brought in a bill to extend certain privileges
to these sector's of the epbcorsal church of Scotland, who
wanted to be put on a footing with the English church in
Scot'ead, and have certain penalties egging them abolished.
This, however, having bean done, they wanted to go a little
forther, end they wished to discountenance and pat down
their brethren of the English church in liesdtlend ; and they
Mixed them schismatics and warned all professors of the
Cladetian faith net to hold any communion with them. The
English church in Scotland, as he had before said,
adhered strictly to the liturgy of the church of Eng•
lend; but the other met did not. In their communion
melee, in praying for a blessing on the elements of the
eucharist, they used the words, " that is may become the
body and blood of Christ"—not " to no," or re by faith."—
Is conclusion the noble and learned lord said he felt the most
profound veneration for the English church as established in
this country, and which he believed was the most tolerant,
peaceable, and kind church in the world. Having read the
prayers of the petitioners the noble and learned lord pre-
sented them to the how*.
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The Bishop of SALISBURY concaned most entirely in I
the observation with which the noble and learned lord bad
ennelnded his address as to the great importance of avoiding
sR bittgIISSIIIN but he must dissent from the statemeat which
the noble lord had made as to the state of the episcopal
dearth in Scotland. It might be true that that church was a
Mmenting body, that it did not enjoy any of the advantages
which had been attached to the church which had been este-
bibbed in this country ; it was unendowed, unprotected,
and had bees earned to proscription ; but he could not
assent that because that church wee not endowed it was no
church at all. One of the greatest orn ors who ever sat
on this bench on the oemion of a debate of a similar kind,
on the question of passing the act of 1792, which was pro-
posed by B shop Austin, the then chancellor of Durham,
said, " As to Oct interests of episcopacy in ficotlecd, my
opinion is unfortunately the very reverse of that of the
noble sad Th, credit of er:isco?acy will never
be advanced by the scheme of suppling epee:op:a iloirgri-
station in Seabird with ;senors of our ordinathn. and for
this reason, that it would be an imperfect crippled episcopacy.
In Scotland we have no authority—there can be no anthc-
rity there ; the legislature can give us no authority there :
the attempt to introduce anything of episcopacy would be a
direct infringement of the set of union " lie begged, there-
fore, to all to the noble lord's attention that when he stated
that there were no bishops established by law in Scotland,
be might have gone one step farther, and stated that the
act of anion provided that there should be so bishops ; and,
therefore, the petit'. n was • direct infringement of the act
of union. The house could give no other authority except
a legal authority.
Lord BROUGHAM observed that the petition was not
to send bishops, but for • visitation on the part of bishops.
The Bishop of SALISBURY read the prayer of the peti-
tion, to the effect that it might please their lordships to sanc-
tion and recommend the particular visitation by certain
bishops of the Church of England and Irelacd. I. their
! lordships sanction visitation by bishops of the church of Eng-
' land and Ireland, in Scotland that could only be by legate-
, tive enactment. He thought that, as members of the est, -
Wished church, they were bound to be very tender
and to exerciso careful consideration of the rights of
all other bodies equally established by law.
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The Earl of 813FF5LIE. made as Obsc.vation in reference
to the question before the house, the purport of which did
not reach the gallery. . . .

The Archbishrp of CANTERBURY was indistinctly
heard. He was understood to say that he concurred in the
last obtorration of the right rev. prelste, and regretted that
thin subject had been brought be on their lordship..

The Bishop of GLOUCESTER fully concurred in the
estimate expense by the right rev. prelate. He should
always be happy to admit any eliminate of the church of
England in Scotland who brought testimocials of is good
character, although not countersigned by a Scotch bishop.
The Duke of ARGYLE called their lordship' ettintion
to the fact that, as one branch of the legislature of tele sun
try,. it was their right and duty, and it had frequ.ndy been
their part, to legislate on the ecclesiastical government of the
English church. Therefore they could net be surprised it
English clergymen living in Scotland, and suffering under
great grievances, should apply to their lordships' house. But
it seemed to him that the putieular grievance had b: en
essembat overlooked by the right rev. prelate, who spoke
W permission, as he understood, of the Bishop r f London.
The grievance they complained of was this, that, having
eildated in Scotland ass Boulish clergymen, when they re-
tained to this country ditlicullies were put in their way by
these right rev. prelates of the English bench who apnea-
thbed m the opinions of the Scotch bishops fie
teMsd that this grievance would he almost en'irely
remedied by the excellent and Chris' ian speech of
the fast rev, prelate. The noble lord 'EU& d at some length
late • narrative of Sir W. Dunbar's 'moils firm the
church, and, in strug language, condemned the conduct of
Bishop Skinner.
The Bishop of EXETER said the house was greatly
obliged to the noble duke for having tendered his advice to
them ; only he thought be was a little mistaken in wandering
into the topics which he had entered on. He heartily joined
in the noble duke's wish that eacunmunication had no
longer any temporal effec., and be most sine, rely wished that
the day would come when imprivement as a puniehment
for such an eoclesiutioil offence would be abolished. He
denied that the petitioners, being persons domicil, d in Scot-
land, had any title to be called members of the Church of
England. Their lordships had no right to legislate for the
Church of Scotland.
Lord BROUGHAM—CaII it the Church in Scotland.
The Bishop of EXETER—WouId call it what he pleased.
(A loud laugh.) What he meant to say was, that if he
spoke against the act of parliament let the noble lord take
down his words and cell nim to account. (Oh, " no, no !")
Ile oared not for the Lehi* lord's interruption, but he would
speak as he thought—and as in his conscience he thought was
right of the Church of 13-.•othtud. The right rev prelate
here entered into a comparison of the Mathieu which
the Episcopal Church of Scotland received from Kings
James 11. and William 111., and stated that he honoured the
Scotch spimpalians for their allegiance and loyalty to the
house of Stuart. Nothing could be more contradictory
than the noble lord's statement, and the views ex-
pressed by the petitioners them-elves. The right rev,
prelate, in conclusion, hoped the church of Christ would
always "minis the r:ghts of the illustrious order, and
that those rights should be exercised, whatever might be
the temporal consequences.
Lord BROUGHAM having said a few words across the
table in explanation.
The Bishop of CASHEL read a letter, addressed to him
by a Scotch bishop, to ascertain whether the right rev. pre-
late sympathised with the Scotch episcopalian church, or
concurred in their opinions. To that letter he replied that
he sympathised with the lovers of truth in Scotland as
well as in England, but not because they were eels°.
palians. He felt no more bound to concur with th,m,
as episeopalians, than with the Romish episcopelisn church,
or any other itomish church in foreign countries merely
because they were episcopalism
The Earl of IdINTO, although personally Indifferent with
respect to the two dissentine bodies established in Scotland,
hoped that whatever steps the house might think proper to
take, nothing might be done to lead to the recogniMet of
episcopacy In Scotland.
The Bishop of EXETER wished to remind their lord-
ships that he had never said a word denying the status, or
rights, which the laws had long accorded to the episcopacy.
The Duke of BUCCLEUCH defended the episcopalism'
of Scotland. They had an ancient church, and all the orders
necessary to constitute it. As to the matter upon which so
much stress had been laid, respecting the senses read in
Scotland, there was • perfect mistake. In some cases there
happened to be a difference of opinion &moppet the congre-
gations, and the two services were then used for the accom
sedation of both parties.
The Bishop of OXFORD said he could not allow the
speech of his right rev. friend to go forth to the world with-
out offering a few word+ of explanation and remonstrance.
(Lord Brougham approached the right rev. seeker, whom
he whispered in • very earnest manner, the incident hav-
ing mild general laughter and merriment.) The Bishop of
Oxford hoped their lordships would rive his their attention
for a few minutes, while he arwaud the speech of his right
rev. brother, as the subject was very pave and mast importenL
The historical part of the argument relied upon by his right
rev. friend was so utterly untenable, that he was quite sur-
prised it should have been advanced at all. Why, it was a
'postal ietare in the doctrine of the Church of Rome to re-
jig& eillegother the very words, the very power, for retaining
whichllas liturgy now in quo stion was said to be erroneous.
(Hat, Um) The doctrine of the Roman church was that
fa commotion a mysterious change took place in the ele-
ments, the substance massing a change, the quality
remaining unaltered. The ream why the power
remained in the Scottish churls and not in the Eng-
lish, was that tW English church, deriving the power
from a Romish source, rejected it in common with
other Romish attribute, whereas the power held by
the Scottish church cams to it, not from a Latin, but
from an Oriental sours. (Hear, hear.) The examination
in the Scottish church ran thus: Question—Are the bread
and wine not changed by consecration ? Answer—Yea, in
general, but not Ia substance. In the Roman church
the answer was, Yes, in substance, but not in quality—
(Mar, MO— so that 'this ultra Roman church, as it had
been designated, differed diametrically in this leading point
from the Roman church, of which it was described to be an
exaweratien. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of HARROWBY agreed that the difficulty of
establishing a kciu .Susdi for interference would be
great, and that it would be unwise to seek to remove the
diffieelty ; but, as we uadentood the noble earl, he did not
admit that the difficulty was insuperable.
Earl FOWIS expressed his opinion that the object of the
petition was simply to prejudice the cue of Bishop Skinner,
which was about to come ruder their lordships' judicial
notice, but he was Battened that it would have no such effect
upon their hardships' minds.
The BM of GALLOWAY said that the reason why the
edisemel their lordship was, that they felt they
Midrs. prieenese which they were entitled to have remedied.
The =WO earl =mimed his belief that this grievance,
dish was • most serious one on episcopalism, might be re-
' MOM without the slightest offence to the presbyteries
I WNW,
I Lord BROUGHAM put it to the house whether they had
net had quite enough of this matter. (" Hear, hear." and
• Mash.) The reel grievance was, that an English clergy-
men having resided some time in Soothed oesW not, on his
eaters to England, get license to preach. He was mese off
MA the feminist priest, whose crdination was recognised
la the church of England. The English clergyman under
such circumstances was looked upon by certain right rev.
prelates as mutely a schismatic from the church of Scotland.

The Marquis d LANSDOWNE expressed hie hope that,
as Thursday was fixed for the adjourned eozantittee on the
navigation laws, they might be pereolted to enter on the
discussion without the intervention of any petition relative
to the church of Scotland. (Hear, hear.)
Petitions ordered to lie on the table.
Their brdshipa then adjourns& at 10 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS-Tuz.DAT, MAt 22.

The SPRAWL took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

REPORTS CONSIDERED —B rkeahead, Lancashire,
and Cheshire Junction Railway (abandonment of part of line,
extension to London end North-Western Railway, &e.);
Coekermonth sod Workington Railway (branch to Bridge-
foot, amendment of set and pow. r to lease to Wbitehal en
Junction Railway Company) ; Cougletan Inclosure Act
Amendment; Bills.

PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
CAMI OF JUttM BIRKS. ♦ rOLICEII•N.-By Mr. OS-
BORNE, from a policeman of the 1) division named John
B3rne, complaining that he had been dismissed without
safllient rave, and praying for parliamentary inquily._

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Peausaiestrrazt Batas Bita. —By Mr. PLUMPTRE,
from several places, against tbis bill. _
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SMITHFIELD MARILIT.—By Mr. C. LUSUINOTON,
from butahrrs end other inhabitants of Westminster, against
the removal of Smithilsld Market.

Rona CoLonmadrum.—By Mr. C. LUSHINGTON, from
700 shoeinalten of London • Mr. P. SCROPE, trots Stroud,
praying for home colonisation in the cultivation of warts
lands. _ _ _

P-
ROTECTION TO AGRICULTURB —By Mr. PORTAL,
from revered plasm in South MUM, in favour of this pre-
p° ition.
MIDICAL RITORII.—By Mr. C. VILLIERS, from Wol-
verhampton, in favour of medical reform.
RELIGIOUS TOLSRATION AND CAST or Ray. MR SNORE.
—By Mr. GIBSON, from Manch. star ; Mr. CAULFIELD,
.in. Rh • Mr. CC-Monis sore R i.;ree itoelantre,
In favour of religion/ toleration, and for the liberation of Mr.
Shore.

PARLIAMENTARY REFORM.—By Lord D. STUART,
from St. Pancras, In favour of parliamentary reform, and for
the repeal of the Septennial Act.
COUNTY COORTS FOR WALILS.--By Mr. COBDEN, from
a place in Montgomeryshire, for an extensiorsot the principle
of county courts to Wales.
Breit Housins.—By Lord R. GROSVENOR, from Mid-
dlesex ; Mr. P. SCROPE, from a place, name not heard, for
the abolition of licenses to beer-houses.
COPTHOLDS ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL.—By Major BR-
RESFORD, from lords of the manor in Essex and Hertford,
against this bill.
MARRIAGES BILL.--By Sir J. DUCKWORTH, from
Exeter, against this bill.
NOTICES OF MOTION.

LANDLORD AND TENANT, IRELAND.—Mr. J. O'CON-
NELL, on an early day after the recess, to move for leave to
bring in a bill on the subject of landlord and tenant in Ire-
land.
POOR EILIEP.—Lord NUGENT, on Thursday, the 7th
of June, to move for a committee to inquire into the practi-
cability of making the legal charge for the support of the
poor a burden cn the general revenue of the country.
RECEITERB IN EQUITY, IRELAND. Mr. OSBORNE,
on Monday, the 11th of June, to submit a motion relative to
receivers under the Court of Chancery in Ireland.
POLICE EXPENDITURE —L ,rd D. STUART, on UM
day, to move for a committee to inquire into the police ex-
pendi.ure of the metropolie.
COLONIAL EXPENDITURE.— W. MOLESWORTH
poesponed until the same day his motion respecting the
colonies.
PUBLIC RECORDS —Mr. M. MILNES, on en early day
after the recce, to moss for leave to bring in a bill to provide
a proper place for the safe keeping of the public 'mid,.