The Express.
London, England, 1847-02-11 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLTAMEI:--

HOUSE OF COM MONS.—WEirxrauAT, FEB. 10. -
The Bruins took the chair at tendril o'clock.
PRIVATE. BUSINEee.
vhCOND READINGe.--Ciedontan Missy (Glasgow, Gunk"
and Centbridge Railway (Branch to Glasgow station); chard Cane
and Railway (Extension and Amalgamation); Newmarket end Chess
terford Railway (Extol/don to Thetford) Bela
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS—By Mr. Baorevarow, tam loceine emillibeehes-
, ter ; Mr. Gams:arca, from Macclesfield ; Mr. L B. Dom" hem a
pleas in Yorkshire; Sir Gao. STILICLLAND, OMNI PIWINS bona
mass deem in Yorkshire ; Mr. exaaaree, hem mestmen, esa, at
Mewls. Bide 's factory at Manthener, from Leads, Wneer plasm
OOL ACTON, from Wart Riding of Yorloidee ; led Os. IMITINCS.
St petitions, Including one from the werresa in the beam itJohn
ItW and 0o.; Mr. Ammanes, from lesiles indelseley, _•CM T.
Dearcenea, 42 petitions, from various poets et Indad neame.
Mi Z. H. broils, from the clergy of Bary sal afar yams lir.
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Baste, from Rochdale; Mr. EtTrAIT, from lisibem .it
airman, from places In Lancashire; Mr. Wertz* bra
Ificesrr, hem Leeds; Mr. C. Be tea, several parer
melees in embus mills; Lewd Jas. Breeze, front a phee in
Ms. & Cameros* wad tram pleas le i
Lameshbv; Mr. Jae tem a piss In
Mr. eresu from Meashrar end ; Leger. Pg/AM.P Mom
Bury, Rochdale, art Dam ; Its. Manaesav from Loeb ester OW
*Div Mr. flare la palm hem oases plare .la Oka-
kr; imbed. amt beim&
_. Mr. limarresseralleamillem Mt
phew in iketlart sed Meglese• ell in bow alarm Ream Bid.
Mr. Ilsoony Me" wren et brother teas la bersoreemilhema
Remo— len Fame Ism the miesibes 4 Serer Oa main
Y Same Sr mistake el MeMsh sad bilk Peer Laws. Mr.
Ina saints ef Liessardre essalensing d the (Be.
tare Mr. T. Drums= bon Pbakeire in femur of the
dress ebbe Itelah neatens ; bm Mralted tirlagairy into Amens,
loS. 'M. NNT/DOOLTZ from a eine In efunlefialdre against Pear
ameeet Am. Sir W. Solisavosa Iran Denglesta in tarsus of a
Vann ale throughout Ireland. Mr H. W. Rimer from Chamber of
°=*of Waterford for redraw of duty an em.
READING.—The Ramer Wheelie Hid Bel
FACTORY BILL.
Mr. FERNAND, in presenting a petition from operative&
employed in the mills of Messrs. Berley, in favour of the
Mill, mid, he bad received that morning a letter from Messrs.
Birley, asking him to vote against it. He thought that
bet would gin additional value to the petition.
Mr. FIELDEN moved the order of the day for the
second reading of the bill.
' Mr. HUME (who rose amidst cries of " divide, divide,")
said, he had hoped that some member of the government
would have risen, as nothing could be more unsatisfactory
than the state of doubt in which they were left by the
, silence of the government, more peaticalealp as the astilla_tatiiii;!
• lord at its bad differed on a former ecesion from libilitm
of his colleagues on this subject. The noble lord halpra
aired to date the views of the government, but MI Seas •
not now in his place to do so. (Near, hear.) He regretted
that the present question seemed to be made one of party.
(" No, no.") He was glad that he was mistaken
in that opinion, because he would, therefore, ease better
hopes of a good result. His view was, that they should be
consistent in their legialatioa. For 300 years they had
proceeded on the principle of protection to all classes, and
M interference between masters and their workmen. But
about 23 years ago they commenced a different course of
onkel ; the laws that interfered between masters and men
were repealed ; and now they were again called upon to go
back to the old system. He held that the common arose
of the working classes would enable them to take care of
their own interests; if not, educate and prepare them
better. (Hear, hear, bear.) His honourable friend 'sae
him (Mr. Duncombe) presented • petition signed
by 3,000,000 of the working clause. That petition
assumed that they were able to direct their own affairs, and
was quite at variance with the assertion that they now
wished for the interference of parliament to restrain them
in their operations. (Hear, hear.) The principle of the
present bill seemed to him to be of the same description as a
regulation that would make all persons of the same length
and breadth. If a man was able and willing to work 11 or
12 hours a day in order to accumulate some money to bay a
freehold, or to support himself and hisfamily in their old age,
what right had parliament to step in and say, " You sheet
do it" 1 (Hear, hear.) The want of employment and the
want of capital were the causes of all the evils in Ireland.
He cautioned them to abstain from doing anything which
might occasion a wont of employment and an abstraction of
capital in England. As long as England had the sole sup.
ply of manufactured articles to the whole world, she was at
liberty to make what regulations she pleased, because, hay-
ing no competitor, she could exact her own terms, but the
case was very much altered, when, after the war, rivals
sprang up. She had now rivals on the continent and in
America, and those, therefore, who asked for a tea or
an eight hours bill, would, he was afraid, get it very
much to their own inconvenience. (Hear, hear.)
Ile begged honourable gentlemen to read the pam-
phlet of Mr. Senior on the state of their factories.
That gentleman, who was accompanied by Lord Kerry and
Mr. Lloyd, ascertained, after • fair and impartial colludes*.
tion of the state of things in a great number of mills, that
labour at 10 hours a day merely paid the wages and other
expenses, but left nothing for the profits on the capitol
invested. It was therefore clear that it was the additiosel
hour or hour and a half that afforded a remunerative return
on the capital, without which no man could be expected to
carry on his business. (Hear, hear.) Besides, who was to
know a roan's business and pecuniary affairs better than
himself? Some persons might have to borrow money at 5
or 6 per cent. interest ; others might obtain it at 3; per cent.
Some cheek might arise to prevent the manufacturer hem
being able to sell hie goods so that he would be obliged to
have recourse to the banker to discount his bills. Thus they
hstacat might :-. Plied to 7or 8 ^-:,,. i Celt 7 WllO was is
know all these things? !..1:: not this diversity of interest in-
crease the cost of the article to some manufacturers, and were
they not obliged, therefore, to work a greater number of
hours? (Hear, hear.) He considered all meddling with
the capital of the country and all interference in the free
exercise of a man's mode of conducting his own business,
except in so far as it was injurious to others, to be
' vicious and bad. He (Mr. Hume) submitted a resolution in
1824, which was agreed to by a committee consisting of
fißy-oee members, and including Mr. Huskiseon, Mr.
Sturges Bourne, Lord Stanley, and Sir H. Parnell. That
resolution was, "that masters and workmen should have
entire freedom from all restrictions a, regarded the rate of
wages and the hours of labour, and perfect liberty to make
such arrangements its they thought proper ; and that, there-
fore, all statutes and laws which interfered in this parties-
lar between them ought to be repealed." (Hear, hear.) No
is than sixty or seventy acts were swept away, in mem
=; to the great benefit, he believed, of the working
He thought it would be madness of the highest
degree If they were now to retrace their steps. It would
eteitify all their legislation for the last three or four years. All
that had been dune in that time was in the direction
of removing restrictions, and yet thry were now asked to
impose the greatest of restrictions—that of preventing a man,
by act of parliament, from working as long as be wished for
his own benefit. He would ant the advocates of the 1411
whether they were desirous that England should retain her
superiority in the manufactere of various articles, and, if so,
whether they would give fair-play to her capital and in-
dustry ? What was taking place in other countries ? In
Belgium end Germany there was no restriction of labour to
tea lours • and although some attempts at restriction bad
be madi; in America, he found that a committee of the legis-
latures( Iterachnesets very wisely declared they could not in-
terim. Deriegthelest3o years belied not advocated arty Men-
: Dare which ccabileses hardly on the poor man. He admitted,
Mind, that holed obstinately forced on the government re-
dads= of charges, and changes in the taxation ; dime
were his besetting cos, if he had any—(laughter)—ued he
bad bees attacked on that ground; but he did set area rag
in him enailanta kept their hands eff him• he was cm
tented to be judged by results. He sat&m:rilho=
anxiety to those gentlemen who, hem
were disposed to support a restriction of the hone of labia&
This was no moment to be trying experiments ROM Mak
own principles, and placing their upholds awl qs. '
relives at a disadvantage, as compared wilt lime ef As "
ries, and the other rival states of Estop& (Err, hem.) 4 "'l'
He called upon the government to ha dellihOrit, and cast PI"
sow to re-impose restrictions on the Swab ef tommerse. '•!.___" •""
If they did take that course, he believed that they email be ......
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laying a foundation for destroying the semisus ef ail .---, .
country. The hon. member cominded by swim, se an "' '
amendment, that the bill should he nil • mem' nom that
day six months.
Sir G. GREY said, that but for she Wed which Isui .4 ass .
bees made by his hon. friend who had jest assumed his mot, ...,. ft •
be skald not have rim dm wig to al* be muse . ~ 4 ~...,
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to an indimviduel smakat et Se avesamsgat, he in-
per His Roble Steed Lied l. Wismell)
sbilillk ellegbh amission to office, had, in reply te • gamic.
Ira the het. monsbor Ice Finsbury, stated km view with
rto the posillea of the govermseet ea Ms lonia, ; .. „ .
ilbeash thumbnut, We wide Hirt mai be went in a,,....
MIME, of the deb.% sal weal& ast Adak Ewa doll . gulag.
awl eaplicit avowal ef Ida opinions. her.) The so y-.,..:
member for Montrose had spoken la Radio.
den. He hoped that the bon. member she e,.... s• •
In public men. (Cheers.) To adopt the ahribileeff .. .. ,
Xembie
hon. gentleman on that subject would be went b Mb. „. art -•
not. thaw to advance. (Hear, hear.) ern .
not sew me et principle but of degree, and! kw* might ',on •
to be esimiteed plainly and decidedly to . . (bar, ..! , ,
hear,) Tio boa. said that, la esisermsee the;: o o • A..
report te whisk he bad referred, pa:Emma bed meat • 411111■1
the vadat' book sixty or seventy acts. He mold cols 13.4
why, perlismest did not at that time entry eat y lb i 4.
—why, is bet, it had male Isstsry labour ea Nano sib
use ? (Her.) It aoosasd bet (Sir G. Om) *IF ,gig ~,
gwiysewlreintheiis siniestbet wassearridto the hese iimi 4,
at the mead time wee the stab el be public mind with no tom,s
gad in that gmetim. Whetprestiset was there et the „go um
settlement el eke ream mid& be amid ink** pridie„. bojesk,
tatia, . a maul 1/1110/11Mat between gsb, mat !!
end the employed i Mier Isar.) Free Atha .„.„, ~,
that he could obtain cm 'the salami, his belnes .. . d
had ban greatly disappointed. He wee to that in mug , .r.
came lam an arrangement for a had beta mob s-v,
it had dam maul to exist, and tW Mho binea
no certainty of a continuance. It Ma ibk rellibli :Maillr 4 r
out indommats to persons who waited amiss task emouge,,,
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numbnumb,
to go to other mills, where s itsir amber aka= '
were acespled In labour and higher wages maid be
obtained. He did not think that • fair tat ef the
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Mfro in all similar oases—take, he esmaple, ''a. .' '
ea an
l, d the early elcsisg al dips—cg ' 4'4
= gee thin were persons who we iatereasil is tm
at set smug arrangement's-lab Silage mold `V'
mom Irbet, the, was the premat it. of the merles? or '
It mid met be dialed that *ere was an earnest desire at '
the part date eseeroaq abase who were employed in he. • -44 c
MIN to see this ember ended by Isabelle' amenosat Oa . 10•4 s.
the Derr
head, be hawed dot there was a lisiblable end b.4llllft .
geagral=„f scrim ea be of
of milloymo to say g, 4 ' •
snit dd.( legemot epleft halloo b "- . "w 4 •
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moped to provost the maloymeet et alien lair tight -- 30
years Mega, and to mulct diet ofebildnabstareea II tail% 100
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