The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-19 00:00:00

whereas the bill of the (overcast had the erect of destroy-
leg the navigation laws, end then re.enactiag a Pg• SU: per
%lon of Mess, and on ether points acting on the principle of
retaliation on forage powers which might not
secede to our principles, kis mode of action would
he exactly the opposite ; be would proceed on
the vigil* is the 'Aida navigation laws, but
provide that is main ewe. mime we might receive lull
reelpreeity ken amigo mime, her Majesty la come',
eimild be entimmeleed to drepenee with certain provisions of
lam laws in game of melt (Mime. He should, therefore,
, bum te MONO the meals& dal the repealing clauses ma.
Asked is am peen* ham, jip. ?roomed to maintain in-
Serra givtidtmare en to MOM snip building establish-
ment% redoes to maims rardry co foreign ships. He
the system of apprenticeship ;
=." maaintala Ole pittereourse b. tw a this
smutty aed her camas& Re also proposed to
megnMis the Of magilla navigation laws, under
emit es bei Miitefes advisers should think fit
...me in 111.10 &NM specified iv the bill. His
eir was tomtit& Os post navigation laws, except in
murk moss es smealeinime Wait be granted.
Berl GREY wished be knew whether the amendments
would be such as to asks it clear what were the restrictions
to be maintained an my own shipping quite irrespective of
foreign nations.
Lord STANLEY hoped when the noble lord read the
amodeseute he would fled them intelligible.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made some observations,
which were not audible in the gallery.
Lord STANLEY did not thick it was binding on any
noble lonl that he should give notion of any amendments on
a bill which they were celled on to diseum in detail. (" Hear,
hear," from End Grey.) He should not alter his opinion
I. consequence of the courteous isterniption of the noble
out. Upon such a measure, which had only passed its
second reading by 10 proxies M was not an unressonabla time
to take eight days foe coosultiog those so deeply interested in
it as to what modifications should be introduced.
The Bishop of OXFORD laid on the table an amendment
to the Navigation Bill, which he propmed to move on
Monday.
LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LANDS (IRELAND)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that on Mon-
day he should move the suspension of the standing orders
with reference to this bill.
RATE IN AID BILL.
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On the motion thatiiiisiillTsitsdiTiiird time,
The Earl of OLBNOALL said be considered that the bill
woald he • fail inasmuch as it proposed to rens
swi oat fa n impoverished ninny. He was
genvineed that the bill now before their lordships'
beim genii not relieve the 21 bankrupt unions in Ireland.
Me heel ageism before him of thirteen of those =doss. Ile
teat It tar meented that the distress would bees great in
ISIS es it bet hum in U4B. If that were so, and, giving
the dieleMad galas the benefit of all the money they might
OWN in
tilea?tio.f loses sad grants from friendly sone-
srlbs would be all spent, and a deficiency of
email to be made up. The game of the
Manehestre @shed men who urged it on was, that no
=should make advances to Ireland, but that
oh should be reduced to such a state that their
=6lwould be worth nothing, sad then the Manchester
w Norwich men might prams their estates for a
bagatelle. He called upon their lordships not to
yield to the dictation of these Manchester men,
and not to consent, ruthlessly, to confiscate the property' 01
the Irish landlords. If they peened this measure, they aught
rely upon it that they woulddrive from the country those
8,000 loyal men—that garrison of Anglo-Irish landlords,
who were the mainstay of the protestant church. There
were, however, numerous remedies within their reach—
emigration, the establishment of agricultural schools, drain-
er and land improvements, and the promotion of railways.
He did trust that they would not give measles to the people
of Ireland to say that England had seised upon the moment
of Irish distress to injure and destroy her property. He
should therefore move that the bill be read a third time that
day three months. (Hear, hear.)
Lord CREMORNE supported the bill. One great ad-
vantage of the rate in aid was, that it could be collected all
over Ireland at an avenge coat of le. in the pound ; but how
could they estimate the cost of collecting an income-tax
The Earl of HEMET could not agree that the coun-
try might as well pay one tax as another. One
tax alight be almost unobjectionable, whilst ano-
ther was environed with serious objections. Such,
he contended, was the case with the present measure.
The Earl of MOUNTCASHELL felt it to be his duty to
Ireland to speak out on the present occasion. After hearing
the evidence before the committee, stating on oath that the
amount of the rate in aid would not be sufficient, and that
it would not be collected without resistance, be could not
come to any conclusion but to oppose it, and he was ssto
nished that the government had persisted in proposing the
measure. Men of all parties were hostile to it, and the
press condemned it with one accord. The loss of the potato
had entailed a loss upon Ireland of upwards of 60,000,000/. in
three years ; in addition to this they had been obliged to
import upwards of a million of tons of food, which bed
been paid for in hard cash, to the amount of 30,000,0001
which made a grand total of 90,000,0001. n f
food alone, a
fact which would account for the distress of the
°Gantry. Silver had elliappeared. The bank-notes
too bad diminished in amount, there being now
4,000,000/. in circulation against 7,000,0001. in
1816. There was not a sufficiency of the circulating
medium in Ireland to moiety the wants of 8,000,000 of
people. He had voted against this bill on a former occasion,
And he shield do so again.
Ina STUART DE DECIES said that the question re-
solved Emir into a very narrow eompase, namely, who her
the dietitian poor in the insolent unions of Ireland were to
be supported *rough the famine ; and, if so, by what species
of tax the sneer' of support were to be levied) Those who
had spoken ea the present bill bad nothing better to
proves, eind, that being the case, the only alternative was to
pies the mean.
Tic lid of WICKLOW mid that, entertaining se-
Mews ebiections to the present measure, recollecting
Om division of the other night, and seeing that every
penes who was connected with Ireland, and who was
net diepeulleat on the government, had opposed the rata in
• be MI hope that ministers would have abstained from
Win pieuleg it on the legislature, and that they would
bra boa some other means of alleviating the destitution
of his *sentry.
Lord DE ROB opposed the bill, u wholly unjust towards
the industrious men of northern Ireland, whose natural die-
gentent would be a far greater calamity than even famine.
The Earl of CARLISLE having, on the notation of the
Mehl reading of the bill, so fully stated to their lordships
the ipeosids on which the government urged upon them the
neemillewes edible measure,need do little more stalls final star
eiMatiallthan emphatically repeat the conviction entertained
NENE and Ms colleague, that unpalatable and unwel-
-1 N, 21146abe, the manure was, there existed the most
he. u aeseasity for adopting it The government freely
ilehnitied That the measure was only justified by the serious,
migumedeeted, he might well say the unparalleled,
earissai which called it forth ; but he would contend that
IMs enneirscy did justify it. A noble lord had spoken of
the gennuaent as contemplating miracles by the agency of
this bill ; the government contemplated nothing of the sort ,•
I the government bad, after mature reflection, framed this bill
as a means calculated, according to the best of theiriudgment,
to counteract a great and imminent evil, but they bad never
held it up as an infallible cure for the parWalar, or as a
possess for the general, evil. A noble lord had asserted
that, while the government were responsible for the propo-
sitiou of the messure, those who opposed it were in no de-
gree responsible for the Melte of its rejection—a proposition
to which he could not orient. (Hear, hear.) He was pre•
pared to contend that the results of rejecting this measure
would be most awful ; and he eodld not think that thus
who, after full warning given should, by rejecting the mea-
sure, bring about Ouse retold, could be otherwise than, at
all 'nab, morally responsib'n.
Earl PTTZWILLIAII said 'that his noble friend, who
would not consent to impose a tax upon the poverty of Ire-
land, seemed ready _enough to tax its =Ty. For his own
pert, be was Misled that if their we to reject
this bill, government would within a week devise some satis-
henry alternative, if not a property tax, which he himself
had always advocated—at all events some other expedient
which their lordships could not very well reject.
Their lordships then divided.
For the third reading 37
Agana it
LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LANDS (IRELAND)
BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this hill,
Lord BEAUMONT said that it provided no compensation
to the owner for the loss of his reversion ; and on that ground
he should oppose it.
The Earl of ItOUNTCAf3FIELL thought it desirable to
introduce a claw, providing that the owner should not be
entitled to take advantage of the provisions of the act, unless
he had And complied with the covenants originally imposed
apes him.
Lord MONTEAOLE observed that the Mil ought not to
opera*, in eases ia which parties had forfeited the right of
renewal.

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The LORD CHANCELLOR said the objector the billwas
let to alter the relative position of the lessor and the lessee,
hat to essmet that which was now ineouvenient to both into
smart metal. It was desirable, he thought, to introduce
riiscat in the Srd clause, in order to meet certain
objestless.
The ME then went through committee, sad certain verbal
areendneenta ware Introduced.
Their lerdeldpa adjourned at hat-past nine.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.—FiaDAY, MAT 18.
The BriAzza took the chair at 4 o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

THIRD itWCEIS Drainage Acts
Asmandst (snsorlatent of eats, extension of tine for soot-
olds. eff nem% pews' to levy and raise fart sr Estes and
swam to gm ezinacteter and tails, and for sew pur-
poses) ; Ciesim-ctron adage Osman's* of aele,
to altar antlisrind glassier. fiL) Hafsisesb elas-
PI! 'Teatorabil, sod Oaku m
sollwaY Nell awl Bald&
Railway (Darassr ea Waimea ant bu iss, itc.) Bills.

LORD, AMENDXRETS CONSIDERED. North
Wilsons Railway (extaasios at laniastse Snack abandon.
mast al Loath Broach, atm rood to Sottlomotioo,
, ooloados of Woo he mobilo of loads on& osootrution of
I web) BM.