The Express.
London, England, 1847-06-11 00:00:00

Major Udoy had an interview with the Earl of
Clarendon. yesterday.
Despatches were received yesterday, at the Colo-
airlefficv, (roan the gammon of the West India clonies.

HEALTH OF TOWNS ASSOCIATION.
A conference between the committee of the Health
of Towns Association and members of both houses of puha-
ment took place yesterday, at the rooms of the Statistical
Society, St. James's-square, to consider the means of render-
ing the most effectual support to the government in their
efforts to puss the Health of Towns Bill during the present
seniou. The Marquis of Nortnanby presided.
Mr. ACETIN, all secretary, roodletters from several
noblemen and gentlemen, who regretted that they were un-
able to attend.
The CU AIKKAN said that although be war not placed
in cimumstauces enabling him to pronounce an, opinion as
to the expediency of the meeting, he had gladly given him
smut to be present to those who were better informed than
himself, because he felt that they would be a considerable
to the government is pasmag the measure. He felt
out that there were, In present state of the health
of the =promiller arm why, without a moment's
Shiny, Amid M established for providing efficient
natoiss. Dr.'. eissa usa New to him that, during the last
ewe smathe, thin werednestimes us many fever patients
ad-
miteimdnrle~OW does as months, and that wards
mei* bad been Or yeses t tip were now not only opened
Imtvoneerowded with essepents. Another gentleman in the
seta, Yr. Lladie, had mentioned to him (the Marquis of ?for-
lornly), that the number of fever patients from April to May
was ali and that during the last month that number had
been increased to 84. It would be said, perhaps, to him,
" Why do you adduce all this evidence of fever in the me-
tropolis as reasons for passing the bill, from which the
metropolis is excluded ? " But the place where they re-
sided was that where they could best procure evidence of
the kind, and there could be ne doubt but that the evil was
greatly attributable to the large immigratiee. of unfortunate
objects from other parts of the country which were in a
similar condition. The question then was, if such was the
state of things existing at the present moment, is there any
machinery. at piesoat in operation, to which, supposing the
bill was given up, they could loos for its suppression or
mitigation? With regard to the necessity for such met-
sures he would give them one example :—ln the district of
Bethnal-green there was a place called Lamb's-fields. He
remembered the impressica made on his mind by the
evidence with regard to that place given by Dr. Southwood
Smith, before a committee of the House of Commons, and
it was upon that ultimo* that be founded those two hills
which be bad laid before the upper house of parliament,
about five years age. In Lamb's-fields these existed a pesti-
lential pool of TOG feet in length, and 400 feet in breadth,
which bad such an effect upon the health of the neighbour-
hood, that from many of its houses fever was never absent.
What had happened since the time to which he alluded ?
Improvements had been applied to the neighbourhood,—
science, skill, enterprise, and speculation, had all had their
share in the immediate locality ; the Eastern Counties Rail-
way run through it, and every day thousands of passengers
were borne over the district. But, instead of the inhabitants
being benefited by the means, the reverse bad been the case.
The !stagnant peel was now incensed to 6,000 feet in length,
so that while all that capital and science could do had been
done for the clam that puma over the district, the situation
of the inhabitants bedlam deteriorated from various causes,
among others from the amber of houses which had been de-
stroyed, for he said, never let it be forgotten that it
was a necessity with the sons of labour to rends
within a certain distance of the places where they are ern
ployed. He understood that an application had been made
we the commissioners of sewers for the Tower Hamlets with
regard to the miseries which he had described, and that no
remedy had been applied. He said, then, was not this a
state of things that called for legislative interference, and
efficient and scientific enperintenZence ? He could only
regret that the bill which they were urging on the govern-
ment to pass should not be more complete in its general
application. They knew that it was the wish of the govern-
ment to nuke it se; and he was sure that it would not be
the dos:re of any person present to blame them for what was
a necessity on their part. The fact was that the condition of
the country at the present time had overwhelmed the me
chinery of parliament which was to be applied to it. How
that difficulty could be overcome he knew not, but
he was persuaded that they would do great good by coming
to an unanimous vote upon the subject of the bill, which he
thought they ought to press upon the government to pus as
it at present stands.
Mr. MACKINNON, M.P., after expressing his satisfaction
at the veal displayed by the noble marquis in the case which
they were assembled to forward, observed that there were
great difficulties in the way of the peeling of the bill in its
present condition. Although he felt that no one could
blame the ministers for the delay which had taken place,
still it was most desirable that the bill should become the law
of the land before the dissolution of the present parliament.
Binth the ministers had been in office he had generally ow
ported them, although he had often opposed them Wars;
but in the Health of Towns Bill he considered that there
were many obnoxious clause'. They knew that the City
of London, the Ihriversities of Oxford and Cambridge,
and other localities, had desired to be excepted from
its operations. He thought that the great mistake of
the bill was the appointment of local commissioners in those
places where it was to be brought into execution ; now he
was satisfied that the bill would have met with greater ap-
inhation if ita execution was left in the hands of the local
menseritim. Englishmen in general were enemies to cen-
tralisation. He asked them to look at the condition of
imam whore everything was in the hands of government—a
/plea which he believed to be the main cause of her back-
werdams in social impreveseset —lad to compare it with the
dale of America, whemora7 locality elected its own officers
nal owned ;pelt He believed that the government
wadi never be able to pass the bill into a law unless they
sboaikmed that pest alit, and placed the power in the hands
of the keel asthma's.
• The egatanne emerrei that the portion of the bill in

quolisi bed boss gives lip.
hisoirwrrox watt on to say that the subject of the
boon of hewn liana indeed in throe speeches from the
Sohn ma by two panie present one and the
het--and bosom so men why some parts of the bill should
ad he oinied into the law af the land during the present
amnisinaa if they only took Opt to place the wedge in, so
Owl they mold comphte the work at a future period. It
was e to get any government to carry a measure of
elfloont==nthr, rttothugehatglavveyoUlda ifemluremoe t bet":
hid tbay paged Lk* resolution whichi was about to be
estwaitted ts Steal by the noble lord on his right (Lord
Sibley). The program of improvement had lately &nand-
iiiel time, and pain : time by means of railways,
woos by the none telegraph, and pain through the =
deihar : thersfore he inn, why should not they
Me dies= ? If they any retained two or three of Ste
..elemsee of the bill, sad pared them into a law, be
tin the gewsioninsmai be eland next inks
thetoe lissom einehills Seward in a complete
sin, and eo to non the pawn biohmn of human life
to Ninon:sous snot
Lon Asian awn the ibilowlog resolution
ad la ho gneiss tab meetintt hens Oat tammlassa tint
mom mown er many panel la the won me.
sionedperhmeen sed wie ming pings§ bin toweemenymnis
awns Is wawa the oressemon wnibsaris to sorry on
wtensew ponOpals es if Om Ikon et Swat Betts the mown ad-
vised Inge imlasenhey way &lib IS II
step YEWS ON OMNI YONINIIMAMONN of the great offset they test
to Vow.
He eemiLdsred the quad= to be one of vital hiportsam to
he wenn of the great maim of the people, and thoight it a
somoded to the country whisk bona of being the mane of
nation sad an wiem4sto nibs world, that so many sill-
Sims of hams anal be left in a condition
whin sew wee modompistad la the worst period of human
ez
Swan maned the ressisties. Ho had viewed with
one hitligsstion the ennitin whin the hill had received,
the nature of whisk kridepoined se minting from guar
ten not entitled to ear Winn ; and pledged himself not to
abate an of the sibmilas whisk hoboilossisnalded todente
be the holiwft that at the protest period of the
sumlas, So swine attemdhig the house were not of
an idle due, that than woe perhaps a greater chants of saw
cam than at another lima
Lord KINNAISD the resolution, and spoke of
the condition of Dundee, as a reason why the bill should
be general and comprehensive in its application; at
the same time, that he concurred in the Mrs
which had been expressed with regard to a preliminary ,
measure to be hereafter perfected. He pledged himself to
give the measure his most earnest support both in and out
of the house.
The Hon. F. BYNO observed upon the miserable condi-
tion of some parts of Westminster as loudly demanding •
measure similar to that proposed ; and, after a few words
from Mr. Omens with regard to the opposition of the Com-
missioners of Sewers,
Dr. S. Sutra said that he thought the government was
not aware of the prepared state of the mind of the country
for the bill in question. They bad beard of little oppositions,
but not of the conviction which had been expressed by all
classes of the people with regard to the necessity for some I
measure of the kind. He thought that they did not know
with what thankfulness and gratitude the measure would be '
sucepted from their bands. The number of petitions from
corporate towns left no doubt that in giving them the bill,
government would bo Ong that which the country mat
earnestly desired.
Ths Cuatzu An oneilein that it would be • difficult task
to trace the nature sad in& of whatever opposition existed
to the bill. His has, non would be aware that it was by
so swan as USOOMINNIO prudes when a bold, straight.
forward ansidem to the principle of a measure could not '
be disspiak i4s SINIINIVOSt to undermine that principle by
• Inalisna oppoilks to null details; sad It was that species
of sprung: width aNt friends of the measure saw Most
name to apponsmi the mint saw
Mr. COMM= Mrs rose, eml wined to know if he had
any locus stausdi tine as a selonee sidle Health of Towns
Association, me bons anon of sang a law observation',
—is whin he wee pansing, when, upon its being sug-
gested that the meeft woe open to members of the
sinialitio may, lionoi withdrew.
•"' Met a few sildhismil observations from Dr. Southwood
tho woodniss 1188 pot
.to the mons and carried
nainissually. • yds of Soaks was this pored to the
ea the modem of Len Taitossors, whisk having
felasii=ty achnowledged the proatedings tanalsand.

BEMll.lliRes Ho E.—The present proprietors
of the Ore dun peat poet's birth are, it appears, com-
pelled ill ma kb, eta terms of the will of a former owner.
The boar fa • ilmalsald, and is valued at something lice two
thotuand gowanda. This valuation has been formed on the
number deli'''. In 1846 it was calculated that something
Wu three thouand people bad visited the house, though not
more than two thousand five hundred had entered their