The Express.
London, England, 1853-02-18 00:00:00

eireiled the country for myna' nass la river. He would
take the states of Europe one by oag;_ from Iteeklesburgh
ha would go to Saxony ; and the. awe may a revolution
ou Me matinee% of Europe, r it regarded telegaties. Let
ow goverment coalmen* with the mates with
them In ; and then, when they hui =those
Amigean stabies, the protestant states, they seder -1/1111 fitly
g. the catholie states. (Hear, hear.)
• J RUSSELL Iha l' listened stemma l
~rd . ye is Tilly yto
die able speretm of the hon. gentleman; but I ewe I should
have been better pleased with it had he intbageod sons.
„bit more decidedly than he has done whether or sot he
approves of punishment fur persons professing a different
reign- to that tat the country in which they reside—(hear,
sear)—or fur eudearouring by peaceable means to convert
others to the religion those persons profess. (Hear, hear.,
have loSit•td to all Lis statements, and I own that I ant
totally at a Wee t.• know whether he approves or not of per-
.cutems for religious opinions. (Cheers.) I wish to avoid
as ouch is p suble (one cannot do it altogether) this ques-
tion of protestant aad catholic, and to state at once that my
conviction is, that if protestant emus, protestant laws, or
prutestaut judges coudeme peewins because they have be-
come ciethamies, or are teaching others to become Boman
catholics, they do tout which' I consider to be warily
r..) I care little about the particular pro-
w.ion of tits mat they may hold. (Hear, hear.) It may
be curtly according to the doctrines. and article. of the
Church of England ; but if they, professing those doctrines,
endeavour to inculcate them by 'weal means, by napoleon.
meat and punieliment, 1 say that with thou persons I eau
have no sy. toicity. (Cron) And I Ally the same of those
who seek to Inculcate the Roman catholic doctrines by the
same means. illear. hear.) Whet is the cue which my
lion. friend, the number for Perth, has brought before
The hon. gentleman (Mr. Lucas) stated that
there had be, u misrepresentation or esaggeration as
to the crime Cro which these two Method were committed ;
that it was out, in tact, because they were protestant., but
being protes.ants, they had eudeavoured to convert
others to pretestaiitism, and that they had done so under
foreign ail. The hod part of the charge, though it is stated
in that very ,i.neral indictment which was preferred against
them, UAW LA IcAILA 114 substantial part of the accusation;
because this lure ign aid, whatever it might have done, had
left Tuscany, and these persons seemed to have acted ac-
cordiog to their own conviction in all they did subsequently.
fume of the kers are contrulicted by Captain Wailer in
the most pueitive terms; but let it be, as stated by the
T...n tribunal, that this Francisco and ROY Medial had
endeavoured to induce several Roman catholic. to read toe
Bible, and even to induce them to believe that certain doe.
trues of the Roman catholic cuurch were not authorised by
the Bible—putting their crime at the utmost, and assuming
that they were taken /twange delicto—namely, each reading
Bible—l still amy that it isa moral edam to punish persous fur
such things. (Cheers.) As to the steps taken by the go-
vernment of tops country, my noble friend near me (Lord
Palm, retell). in the next place, Lord Malmesbury, when he
was Foreign Secretary, and, in the last place, since I en-
tered that etfice, I have taken the same line; we have all
stated to our ministers in Tusuoy that they ought to use
all the italueuce they could, in the name of this country, to
procure a remission of the sentence of these persons. (Hear,
hear.) In the steps we have taken I say we have been fully
justified; and we have shown such a desposision to press
OM case ea fir as it could be pressed, according to the cir-
cumstances of toe moment, that I certainly should ask my
bon. friend nut to press this motion on the house, bat rather
to leave it to the actual government of the time to express
thee °potions upon the ease. (liar, hear.) But the hon.
gentleman (Mr. Lump), not having given an opinion on the
g 1 question, says we are nut justified in eenaidering
ourselves friends of religious liberty, because, while
we concern ounclves on behalf of protestant.,
the fact is, that, while oppression and persecu-
tion are exercised against Roman catholic, we are
utterly indifferent and do not interfere. Now that such is
our general conduct can hardly be maintained ; for in no
part of the United Kingdom or in any of the dominions of
bet Majesty, would any person be punished for the offerer
of inducing another to become a Roman catholic. (Hear,
hear.) The hon. gentleman mum be well aware that, ac-
cording to the laws of this country, and according to the
sentiments which I believe are inherent la every member
of this state, we should shrink with abhorrers from • pre-
yossl to punish persons, because they vreuirsdeavouring to,
induce others ti become Roman esthetics. (Hear, hear.)
Toe hon. gentleman will not deny that this is the can.
Therefore, so far as our conduct as a state is to be sees
treated with that of the state of Tuscany, we go with pep
fully clean hands to ask them not to emerge penserien in
this cue. (Hear, hear.) But he sa,” ttitr Mal
friend (Palmei stun) when be was F
showed his indifference to religiose
certainly have been surprised had that boss the sou I
because I know no ear who has Mite frames*
gad more powerfully shown his anuses at to religious
liberty. (Cheep) And I remember diet is that great
struggle, in which I had the ram le bear • part, if only
by my vote, which ended is Odatitalai Roman catholic to
mats in this huuse sod so the government, one of the meet
powerful and eloquent speeches made at the corrodes et
that struggle, and in favour of religions liberty, was the
speech of my noble friend. (Cheers.) But it seems that
when there was a dipole between the cantons of Switzer.
land, and one side said that they 'braid have se pease a
long as the Jesuits remained ins the ornery, my atibbi
friend said that that might easily be, bemire he bad bossed
by their history that the Jesuit. were apt to be the an-
tiurban of states where they resided. (Cheers and hiegh-
ter.) It may be said my noble friend was indulging a pro-
testant prejudice ; but that can hardly be ; became Wham
thou primes who have declared the same thing as my
noble friend with respect to the Jesuits, but in mi
streeger terms, have been his Most Catholic Majesty the
King of Bpsin, within whose dominions, even at
the present day, no protestant, are allowed ' • and
in the next peace, the Pope bred,. (Cheers.) These
testate' and othi r high Roars catholic authorities have
declared that the residence of Jesuits in their dominions was
iressietest with the preservation of good order. (Hear,
hear.) If my noble (bend has been waled, if he has made
• estimate of the order of Jesuits (and many very
admire and estimable peruse are to be found in that
ender), he has been misled, not by protestant, bat by Ro-
man catholic authorities. (Hear, hear.) Thee, the hon.
=an, rho, it difficult to dinner Examples of into-
either in the United Kingdom or in the
et her Majesty, or in the reciromendations that rvir.t7sesias
made to fonts states—he lights apes an island in the
Serb Seas, mod " Here (he gays) is as retain of inter-
ram, and the Secretary of State setnelly pawed it by with-
out tang arise of it." (Heir Mr.))l as sure 'l will
set undertake the teak of de Kr. Pritchard, and the
laws which be advised Queen Posner onset. Tree laws
eargio havea been very severe, but I deer see that vs wen
to p (new than we MI with newt to that
sabject; for, as my noble fired mid is Ikedeeprook
whoa has been referred to, it was klipladVa tbs
sovereign of this country to take any very intimate osolaill
lace give any very efficient protection to that Womb met
therefore we deelined to interiors Ist Effie Yes. ride•
ran thinks there is any vile In the sommiless I ttSl
readily admit that catholic and peed nohniarehe age
sonotuato apt to show bitoleamne tessek rib GSM;
sad their dissensions us not at all to the cedes
San profeseion. (Hear, hear.) Timer bells gutless=
Sods another example in Swedes. iM Itesingel sorter
boar on which he said the Essleelesleit Mee Act we.
founded. Certainly, I have reed MOM, althea ; my
ease did not depend upon those babes awl es es the dh•
patch of Mr. Gordon, I do sot know what ft is te wrote the
is gent ems refry. The gristles of the ladmisethal
Titles Bill was really a question as regarded het.
that it was • question of temporal power ;—(bear,
ethers maintained agora me that it wee a spiritual ques-
tion, and ably referred to the exercise of religion. tun cer-
tainly not inclised to revive that dispute bat that woe
really re question, whether we were right in saying that
it was a temporal grubs, or those were rilibV who said
that it was a 'spiritual gasatios. (Hear, bear.) As to
Sweden or say other constr., with respectto whisk the
Ma. gentleman may brie, the gaieties this ruse,
if he will show that religious lingerers exists there, I
hal quite sun that the Forage Secretary will have no eh-
*lion to state to the minister of that country tat it deee
not consist with the spirit of this age, or with them mars=
which most eivili•ed countries have adopted, is permeate
se reount of religion. (Croon.) That her Ilfejessy, at
the head of this state, the Ant, sae of the most emirs%
sae of the most powerful of the perialeat OW, alining*,
'Mould instruct her mirages In emesselegle Moo parrs
bey where ;intestates are is net a matter
which one would think hht to melt mach surprise.
(Hear, bear.) That protestant spirit nail love el liberty
has descended to us from the dewed M Vander—tea
the revocaties of the MIS et 111aegss-modi Ism
otter persecutions to whisk passim* age ouldeoled.
(Cheers.) I am not dna et MS et
that
them
who
act in that spirit ; and I tool Out iggrogramist ar
this country is doing nothing wrong wbea it represts to a
Roman catholic sovereign that protesters bre been in-
setted and persecuted under the adedaistralign of that
sovereign. (Hear, hear.) The boa. sadilliall ism " file
to sovereigns and slate* of your own peaseesies. and wake
your representations to them." But I. it not more natural
that we should rather go as behalf of those who are of the
same religion as ourselves, and of a different religlent
from their sovereign ? (Hear, hear.) As to the case of im-
pulsion which the hon. gentleman has referred to, the facts
were very much doubted. Representations were made to
the Pope; and it was natured that he should feel an interest
in the Homan catholic nuns said to be persecuted. He
showed great interest in that um, and it was natural he
should do so—more natural than that we should show any
great activity on the subject. And certainly, if protestant.
are peneented in the star of the Grand Duke of Tuscany,
I think it nare nature I that England should Mintere than
that the Pops should interfere. (Hear, hear.) Admitting
this to be so, I must assert again that the principle
of religions toleration is one and universal, that there
ought to be no exception from it, and that persecution on
account of religion is odious and detestable. (Cheers.)
Bolding these epinious I have taken the course I
did with regard to the particular ease of the Medial,
and certainly I do think that my hon. friend and
the House of Commons may leave the case in the hands of
the government. :lasing made remonstration, it may not
wits to be continually repenting them. Our opinions
arc known, our 'own has been heard, and I do trust that
though the Medial and others may suffer, the general
citation of the most civilised nations may at length secure
religious liberty throughout the world. (Ilear, hear.)
Mr. BOW )(kat 'aide had been represented that the Grand
Duke
and bit government were influenced by the Ho'y
ill Itoniouog the Medial. This was quite an erroneous
',me( the case. The code under which the Medial were I
trod 'so the code of the Grand Duke Leopold, who was a
Frsairie soureige and a ()Hower of the Emperor Joseph,
his sorer upon the rights of the Roman catholic church.
Breach was this the ere. that tbourh ecclesiastical courts
exited in Englaud, the bishops of Tuscany had no power