The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-02 00:00:00

a voice not to be misted, that this varmints may be Net-
tled in the only way it ever Gan be settled in a Christian
end ddlised couatry. (Load cheers.) AD intimate friend
of mine is very active upon this trestles—l allude to Mr.
04ia,of Biropegate•trest—sad when this quotation is set-
tied,l believe that his num will be ever known in
connexion with it. (Hear, hear.) I have bad informa-
tion from him as to a km number of meetings, probably 50,
that he bee attended ia various parts of the mown. There
has never been a question, however mina , however inte-
resting, which has gathered larger in the largest
' room la every eity—not of perinea.' naill berg preena,
reedy to pecoessee against the punishment of rank hat
of penes" prepared to armee the question dhpitedemiely,
taidag late oessideration sades whisk the right boa.
barer is disposed to ear ride ; and from all these merry
there have come sleet unanimous deerratiens whisk islet
that the public enders h sipsapes this valsjeet.aiga4lsears.)
Hew. the right honourable baronet bee some upon
ens pert. He kr act faith la this levee with teem
He believes that in the ewe, be talus be is aet-
rittitilLeecorilance with thear=sind Lo ingrka of Parlia-
Meat. Ido not say what el would do; but
I believe the right haw. brow" mistake" if he thinks you
would not go with bias ia abashing the psaishaseat. I
believe she that firrathe of the Ise usaisers et the house

the quewknmTs7thi-77110eLs it is hot
a pasty question. Yoe mast pspg with it. Why tam it
for granted that because poopis bare been put to death for
celestas or for oentoriss, yon amOt to go ea hanging still ?
that " custom without frith is but egednem of
seer." (Rear, hem) We are about to dissever that
at this time of day, and in this couatry—with public
*aka as it is—with the undoubted fast that public
opinion is favour of the sacredness of hum life, is to
thousead times more power's' to preserve it this all the
tenon of the law, ender sash cireasestessoe we shall ease
to the soacialion that this questkm meet be settled,
sad that the death paniehment will be abolished by the
hones if the tight hoe baronet will propose it. Suppose
he were to come down with a preposition that
the pnaithemat should be abolished. What would
be the melt ? I believe there inlaid not be six
sea est or the 666 who 'would etjeut to it—not a man
who would move as aMeadawat to it. It might be
suggested that the meesem amid be tomparsey—sa exp.
dams for five or ma yews—and I should be willing ma to
conseat to that. Now, the sight Ma. hmeset hes more L-
ane:we in this matter than anybody den He is the one au-
thority I. the kingdom. His Elam woad still the here of
the Nmitl.—tbs .4mM' of the huitathey. It would put as
sad to the indilkeesee or oppositics which prevails now ia
the hew to a coasidorable extant, and throughout the
whole kingdom there would be an almost universal so-
knowiedent that the retirement sad the right has.
m baronet mead is aessedease with the intelligent's sad
espitinese of the eye. had UM they had dons that which
war in sesseines with messes mess and Christian prki-
dpk. (Men.) Now I have shown, I think, that stetted"
in far Si we have gore into them, do not prove that life is
MIN seems in this sonatry than in countries when capital
Famagusta ore het indicted. I have shown that our pest
wimisky has filled ; that we have bad 60 capital offences,
!high weber has been raised to 260, and has hoe! been re-

dead to 1; that the adhesion of death did not deter from
the esmesso emcee, sad that it cannot be expected to suc-
ceed Wan in the ere of the gravest cremes. 1 have 'hewn
that meadow excite the peemous which are the manes of
menhirs; that the notoriety which is given to then oases is
evil to the criminal sad the public ; that some guilty per-
sons asap, while the lament may suffer • and that the
greatest Irregularity and injustice inevitabliprevails. Two
omen which recently occurred, the one at Norwich and the
°thee at Weetester, are illustrative of the truth of the
proposition I endeavoured to estahlish,—the Norwich eri-
Waal wee a mach realer criminal that the neat Worcester,
the ass a hardened sad a calculating murderer, and the
other en almost imbecile, a wandering, Incapable vagabond,
to whom the laniesey of the crown. &Nordin to the opinions
of great sambas in Wcemeter, might have been extended.
But Ist me my that the right Ilea. baronet is more interested
in having this punishment abolished than any ether man in
Becket. The jadupon the beech does sot suffer so
much es he. The jury do not suffer, because they decide
snoring to facts. judge decides sonsibig to law ; but
toe law pees to the Home Secretary a veto, which throws
upon him the full, the awful responsibility of the execution
of the punishment. (Hear, hoer) No doubt the
right bon. baronet has exercised the awful duties of his office
to the best of his judgment and conscience; but bow mach
more gratifying would it be to his feelings to be relieved
from the responsibility attaching to such an office. (Cheers.)
It is on an these ',rounds, and assuring the house that I
feel more stn ogly on this question than upon any other
that can come before it, I have the greatest pleasure in
supporting the motion of my hon. friend, the member
for- Dumfries. (Loud cheers.)

Mr. DRUMMOND said that the bon. gentleman who had
just sat down bad segued the question with his usual
ability, but he (Mr. Drummond) had not only beard his ar-
maments before, but bad beard the same appeal to the right
hon. baronet and the mune remarkable cue at Durham re-
hired p, the answer to which at the time he also remiss.
bend. The but gentleman who Dogma the debate said he
anticipated that the time would come whim the present law
would be repealed. He (Mr. Drummond) wee net
at his thinking so, seeing the themes of morbid easell=d-
tality, of false humanity, and of sympathy with the
'murderer ea every auks. He bad seen petitions
met to the Secretary of State with unbounded die-
gut ; let iso fee hem evincing • reverence of human
life duly manifested a total indifference to smiler, and •
sympathy with the murderers. The bee. pattern= who
had jut sat down had dealt unfairly with, the right hon. I
baronet, in supposing that he anticipated that the law would
soon be altered. He (Mr. Drummed) certainly did not
I understand the right hon. baronet to say anything of the
sort. That stardom had increased there was no doubt ; not
@sly in fr, gummy, but in intensity ; but he believed they
had looressed mainly because the murderers were nude
heroes of in that house. Their debates icstifted the minds
of the people with the idea that murder, after all,
wee not quite so detestable a crime as it was in the dark
ogee. (Cries of " Oh.") Oce most extraordinary argument
wee that culprits were known to say they did not are to be
hanged. So said sehool-boys mustiest floggiag, but it
was well knows, nevertheless, that they did care very much
for being flogg;il. It was said also that the people were
' very anxious to substitute secondary punishments fur death.
There was nothing so fatal as to regard public opinion, as
impressed at public meetings, as a ground of action. It they
adapted secondary proistesents. they must have some plus
If ether whole they could be inflicted. The hoe.
genifisema here referred to • petition which had bean
es the 6th &April, in which the cellular. system) of
hen
t was described as being luxurious us:4lz
of expensive ventilating apparatus and
theengkout the country, ad • numerous and vigi-
lant al aims, and calling for the removal of the pri-
mers hem such a life of idleness as they led. If they
abolished death as • punishment, they would' have the same
MN Of petitions pouring in against secondary panishments.
Sim Ike hon. gentleman who spoke last eptlia ef the peal-
bilk, et relaxing the rigour of snob punishment' after •
meek' •period.
Mrl ftRIGHT said the hon. gentleman quite =bander-
' him stood lt . He had made no proposition for ever allowing
murderers to come again into society.
Mr. DRUMMOND understood that the punishment was
to be perpetual in some cases and not in others. However,
he was sorry to misrepresent the boa. gentleman's argument.
Into the theological part of thy' question be would nut enter,
further than to rimed the house of that grave sentence
that "whom sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood
be shed." The hos gentleman said they were not bound by
that doctrine ; bat if they acted in defiance of it they must
take the consequences, which no doubt would be that mur-
dews and deeds of violence would be increased.
Sir B. N. BUXTON felt reluctantly bound to say that he
was not premixed to vote for the motion of his lon. friend,
issuatich as it seemed to him that they had not yet arrived
at that point at which they could say that there wee se great
a difficulty and uncertainty in obtaining convictions for mur-
der that they must abolish the punishment sow attached to
the aims. On the other bend, it appeared to him that there
was a growing dislike amongst the people of this country' to
°mistime in capital cases. (Hear, hear.)
Me. BROTHRRTON said, that after the powerful and
stageent speech of the hon. member for Manchester he did
not think it necesery to trespass beyond a moment on the
attention of the house. The h-n. gestleman who bad just
renamed his seat, and the right hon. baronet, had told them
that, in their opinion, the time was not yet come when the
country ought to derma with capital punka:neat. Be
would humbly ask what wee the symptom whereby they
were to know when that time would coma. (Hear, hear.)
He wished to see the punishment of death Wally
abolished. Bs believed that by soca a measere deka'
would net be increased, whiro by it they would be
eating in accordance with justice, humanity, sod wand
palely. (Hear, hear.) After the eloquent "seek -of the
bo member for Mamehester, he did not feel himself milled
Ira to ester mere hilly into the quation.
Sir G. STRICKLAND entirely dissented from the
visa expressed by the hon. baronet (Sir K. Buxton).
lie hoped to live to see the day whim capital punish-
Ptifenteould be nearly, if not wholly, ilbaid • bit he
1 biped he never would live to see it take place ;Mutely.
(KW, hear.) His horror of an execution would be tee demo
Muster if it were to happen in a private manlier. He Went
la argument and public feeling were dailygainingstrempth
in fuser of the sacredness Millman life; end he loped the
time was not far distant when espialpunihment might be
totally and safely abolished. (Hear, hear)
Col. THOMPSON submitted whether the medical mode
of ensuring the tormkation of capital penishment, which
pulite) opinion so strongly demanded, would not be by este
ta3mitabout the preparation sad improvement of
ry same
punishment, ad tryi. p the effect of it u dins
crimes which were somewhat inferior is to

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Sit G. OBEY hoped the public out of doors would not,
' from the description of the bon. and gallant 'admen, be
araora,
vernor
et
sinditendo toseadnitntheb ides, that tir3 opemorted Nevins were
the power of egerci:inl gibe premptive of na lioneegrocy. Trans-
portation, for lite weld ere be shored, wept by Mumma
sot of the sovereign. (Roar, hear,)
Lord RIIGENTIako rose amidst same impatimat ter •
division) mid that if lila sapporems of the maw tritbsd
ir• ea argonaut confirmatory of their Mows, tt cuss to be
foesch la the smut mass ed mime at We mgment....Rot
ally'Whites, bat maw* estonpeelense,. womb ismer of
those Mews t se tbat the Meal), budget ed, pees( rested
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