The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-23 00:00:00

fete Vaal of the crown and parliament. Ou the other
bead ha was ready frankly to admit that ea elle oda, ed-
yawed in intelligence and wealth, and impeached to
that state in which he roust say its alepeaf mice on this, -
country was • marlins' rather than a feta
liesr)—from the time they conferred teprepartatilre Joan
lotions on Canads—and th,: same observation would at ply
to ether Coi,4lilS—it was in his opinion a matter of policy
to keep a lighter and lighter hold over mitten of internal
policy—cloud cheers train the ministerial benelnA) ;—end
to grant to the colony a continually increasing superin-
tendence over its own affairs. (Renewed cheers.) And
the extent to which those concessions were to be made by
parlsement was only to be limited by the cmsideratiens
involved. But hr could not admit that the question of the
appropriation of the clergy reserves was a local question—
it appeared to bim to be a question in which imperial
interests were concerned—(hear, hear) and when the
same power was brought to bear on the Roman catholic
and protestant institutions in the colony, it was difficult to
contend that the legal maintenance of the control exercised
over the Monsen catholic' was a matter of general concern,
and they were to keep that in their own hands, whilst
the maintenance of the protestant clergy was only matter
of legal interest. lie should be disported to strain
the point on the pert of the parliament of this
country for the purpose of doing that which he believed to
be the wish of a great majority of the people of Canada.
(Rear, hear) The measure of 1840 was intended to be •
permanent and Anal settlement; and he frankly declared
that no consideration on earth—not the chance, If there
would be • chance, of severing even that nominal depen-
dance of Canada on this country—should induce him to

take • step which he could not riconeils to his conscience,
and which he believed would be productive of the most
serious evils. He would not, therefore, as a minister, have
interfered with the settlement of 1840. To a certain extent
the position had been altered by the way Is which the
matter bad teen taken up by the present government. By
two successive governments promises bad been given to the ,
people of Canada to give them a large control over the
clergy reserves; and a large portion of the legi•lature of
Canada was anxious to obtain that power. He could not
shut his eyes to the fact that the other house of parlia-
ment bad sanctioned the principle of the bill, end thus eir•
eunotaaosd, he was anxious to go to the utmost
bunt to which he felt he could go, without
infringing those solemn obligations of honour and
good faith which ought to be d hau any
other consideration. (Hear, hear.) He tea risen princi-
pally for the purpose of saying that is the condition in
which they then stood be was anxious to find the possible
means of not meeting this bill with • direct negative ; and
ha was prepared, therefore, to present to their lordships a
proposition in committee, if they should pars the second
reading of the bill, whereby power would be given to the
legislature of Canada more extensive than that given by the
act of 1791, but maintaiaing inviolate all appropriation
which had heretofore been made, not for the lives of indi-
viduals who had a secondary interest, but maintaining as a
permanent provision—be it for the church of England, be
it for the church of Scotland—all appropriation which,
either under the act of 1827 or the act of 1840, bad been
already allotted and solemnly given over, not to individuals,
but to trustees in trust for the benefit of those churches for
ever, maintaining those atrictiy and inviolably. (Hear,
hut.) He spoke for himself alone : he would waive all the
great and serious objections which he entertained to the
bull, and which would have prevented him as a minister
horn ever submitting it to parliament—if he could obtain
such • modification of the measure as would say in effect
that that which had been allotted and appropriated, under
the authority of parliament, by solemn compact, by legisla-
tive act, under the assent of the crown, should be held in-
violable—being the property of the churches of England
and Scotland—as inviolable as if it was the private property
of any of their lordships. (Hear, bear.) lie should tiara
to propose this in committee, and to explain his views per-
haps at some length. It could not be of local, but of im-
perial interest, that the engagements which they had entered
into—those rights of property which they bad affirmed—
those estates which they had handed over—those funds
which they had vested in trusteese—shuuld not, by an act
of tyrannical power, in obedience to the unreasonable
demands of the colonial legislature, be set aside. (Hear.)
That could not be • matter of local, but of the highest im-
perial, interest. (Hear, hear.) He was anxious to have an
opportunity of submitting this to their lordships' considera-
te@ ; and should they be induced to accept such • miasma-
Mile he would, however reluctantly—with the hose that
each • concession might lead to peace—waive his objection
to the measure, and assent to the third reeding of the bill.
Bat if they hoisted that the measure should not be pro
spell)* only, but retrospective also—if they violated the
engagements they had entered into and plundered parties
of property which they had bestowed upon them, then no
consideration on earth—not seen the dismemberment of the
empire itself—should induce him to set his hand to a bill of
that description, and say "content,' whatever might be
the hazard of saying "nos content." (Hear.)
Hari GREY did not understand the noble earl to say
that he should not vote fur the amendment, and the propo-
sition he bad offered would virtually detest the bill,
although he had thrown out the expression of • hope that
it might pass, by common consent, on the third reeding.
He would state the grounds on which he thought the bill
should pass iu its intefinty. For • mahout he would allude
to the observations which fell from the right rev. prelate
early in the debate. It *petered to him that the right rev.
prelate had entered into an able argument and displayed
his logical powers very uonectsaarily, to prove that the ira-
*Tie' parliament was supreme, for that was a proposition
which he believed the noble duke who moved the second
readmit of the bill would net be disposed to dispute.
It was one thing to have a power—another toss* it. They
haul undoubtedly the power to carry the measure nwe be-
fore them iota effect, and as long as they used the power
for an imperial purple., they were right in exerting it. It
had been end red to show that if this measure were
carried the Raman catholic church woad be in a somewhat
different position from that in which it now was. Techni-
cally that might be so, but substantially it certainly was not
the fact. Objection also had been ands to the extent of
the measure, but it conceded all that had been asked. If
hereafter the colony should ask Shy more, it would be time
to grant it. He could not but exprom his regret that the
noble carloppositis (the Earl of Derby), who had held
such high situations in the government, had not given the
Louse his opinion of the eff-ct of rejecting this measure.
He (Kul Grey) begged to remind the house that a right
hen. Wallet In the Blouse of Couscous (Sir J. Pskington)
did net seek* conceal his impression that the rejection of
this riseasstoo was fraught with the greatest dan-
ger to the oommxion of this country with
Cased'. Foe himself, he bedrooms to the conclusion that if
they rejected the bill, they would enter into a controversy
with the parliament of Canada which could only end, either
by this country giving way, or by the colony, in • few
short, easy steps, separating itself from as. (Cheers.) (*-
nada was now prosperous and loyal; and he warned sgek
lordships not to attempt to disturb so happy •state oft lOW
The lark of DERBY felt himself ogled upon to renal&
apes** Inquiry of the noble earl who had just sat down
witkompoM to the way in whisk be (the Earl of Doty)
should *lean ibis occasion. From the statement whisk
he (the Ed at Derby) had made the noble earl must sit
that while em the one baud he could not consent to adopt
the bill in he t shape, be was, oa the other, very
eosins to their lordship' attestion to a modification
which be could only propose in comsalttp. Taking that
view.llo would wish tba bill now to be read a second time;
and eithoeigh lie had as right to make may personal request
of the eight rev. prolate, he would venture to suggest that
it wouhChepr the seaveniesioe of their lordship. that the
amemillimiatt ttl lad be Withdrawn. (Hear, hear.)
TIM 'Map oP EIIZETBH edoptel the suggestion, and
withdrew the amendment.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE propped.* take this com-
mittee on the hill on Blessdi* host ; and it would be an
advaitZraminthe agilemet shield at one, state the natio.
of 'the

TN Part of DERBY mid that the bill had only been
delivered that day ; as IN eimmittee was to be taken
se soon after the emead roolleg the male deke was hardly
entitled to melt „ter the Mime the ameadeaent. Haring,
however' oblehiel • espy'ref the WU-while it wee paining
rey the ever hew, he had framed the amendment,
said eflhh
egk be wevielset bind himself to tAs evert words,
he would lay it ea the table at as...
The DMus of NEWCASTLE bed sot been aware that
tie bill bed oily bees delivered so lately ; but et say me it
was read a Les time fortnight ago, so that them wee no
amine lame is its progress.
Several noble lords here stated that they bad had the
hill delivered to them several days ago; end upon this the
Earl of DISHY aelmowledged that he mut then be mis
taken.

—Ws; bill was than read a woad tin*, and their lordships
(at half-post cloves o'clock) adjourned.

HOUSE OF L'OMMONB.—FRIDAY, APRIL 22.
The Bruin took the chair at 4 o•oloak.
THE MAIDSTONE ELECTION PETITION.
Mr. HUTT reported that the select committee appointed
to try the election petition for the borough of Maidstone
bed determined that George Dodd, E.g., was not duly
elected to serve as a burgess for the borough of Maidstone ;
that the last return for the said borough so far as regarded
the election of the said George Dodd, Esq., was a void elec-
tion. Also that the committee bad agreed to the following
revolutions: "That the said George Dodd, E.g., by his
agents, was guilty of bribery at the said borough ; but it
I was not proved that such bribery was with the Itoowledge
or consent of the said George Dodd, Esq."
PRIVATE BUIIINESS.
The Helm. Reservoirs Bill was read a second time.
GREAT GRIMSBY IMPROVEMENT BILL.
An Hon. U moved that • clause ho inserted in
this bill to prohibit persons who bed been employed to
survey woks under the Board of Health being employed to
sorry out Use works.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH opposed the clause on the
'mad that it would prevent the tow, council, who were
also the board of health, from szercioing the right of em-
ploying their own engineer.
After a short discussion, the clause was withdrawn.