The Express.
London, England, 1851-11-07 00:00:00

ST. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION.

The inquiry was resumed yesterday morning.
Mr. Henry Shepherd Law was then esantined. lie said
he was the town agent of Alderman Carden at the time
of the last election. The alderman told him he had been
solicited to become a candidate for St. Albans. and witness
endeavoured to dissuade him from coming to the town. Sir
Robert referred to a requisition which had been presented
to him promising that he should be returned without any
bribery. Considered that there was no chance of has
being returned unless he paid money. Came down with
'he alderman, and converned the town ; and afterwards
told him that he thought he had no chance. Advised him
not to go on, but he persisted in doing so. The voters were
so far pre-engaged, that even if he spent money he could
not be returned.
Mr. I'hinn said the alderman dad himself stated that ho
thought be might have been returned if he would have
paid a small sum.
Mr. Law differed from him on that point. Mr. Rumball
I asked him whether he intended to abide by his principle,
and Mr. Dunning, a clergyman. put the same question.
Remembered being himself pressed to advance money by
Mr. Webster and by Mr. Blanks. On the day before the
election Mr. Webster told him that the election might be
secured for 5001. That gentleman desired to see him
in a room by himself, and there told him that unless 5001.
were advanced, the election would be lost, adding that
means could be adopted to escape detection. Witness en-
deavoured to show him the absurdity of his proposing
bribery, when the majority had promised Mr. Bell, and
when Sir Robert Carden would not consent to give a
shilling.
Mr. Slade—What were the means which he sug-
gested ?
Mr. Law continued—He said a parcel might come to him
(Mr. Webster) by coach. Mr. Blanks proceeded in a diffe-
rent way; he was constantly endeavouring to get Sir Robert
Carden into a bet of 500/.; he wanted to bet him 500/. that
he would win the election. Was in connexion with Mr.
Low. Understood that certain persons, being necessary for
the election, would he paid fur their service,. Had sanc-
tioned the payment of Inf. to Mr. Webster, and 10/. to Mr.
Faircloth. Received two cheques of 2001, each front the
alderman, and handed them to Mr. Low, besides 2.101. on
the general account. Had since settled with Sir Robert.
Mr. Blanks's propositions were muds to the alderman.
Did not communicate the proposition respecting the pay-
ment of 500/. to his principal, but took it upon himself to
reject it. There were no other propositions. Mr. Low
was the party who could state the expenses of the
election.

Mr. Theopliilus Webster was then called and examined—
Was a surgeon residing in the town. Was born in St.
Albans. Was a voter, and had been one for' 0 years. Had
voted at all the elections since the passing of the Reform
Bill. His political principles were liberal, and be belonged
to the same party as Mr. Edwards. Was one of the gen-
tlemen who went to Sir Robert Carden. Understood front
Sir Robert that he was a liberal conservative. He was to
tome down to rescue the borough from its thraldom. Tho
requisition had special reference to that object. The
principal object of the party with whom he acted was to do
away with the interference of Mr. Convects, who had pre-
viously interfered at the borough elections. His (wit-
ness's) object was to bring the borough into the
condition in which it was before the Reform Bill, when
cock voter received a guinea from the member, and all tho
wive, of the voters half a guinea whenever they were con-
fined. (Laughter.) Approved of that system, and had
wished, therefore, to reduce the price of votes. Had sumo
conversation with Mr. Law in a roost by himself, and told
him it was impossible for Sir Robert to succeed unless
money wan passed. Something was said between Mr. Law
and himself respecting money. Did not propose that
money should be sent to himself by cum+. Said the election
might be won for .5001. Did not say that detection might
be avoided. Said that certain voters who had not promised
might be paid, and that others who bad not promised might
be sent away. Those were the old elect' tactics of tho
borough. Was prepared to contradict what Mr. Law had
stated as to the parcel and coach; in other respects that
gentleman's statement was correct. Told Sir Robert Car-
den in Loudon that he was determined, if possible, to do
away with the interference of Mr. Coppock; and also that
there were many persons in the borough who were anxious
to rescue it from thraldom. His father before mm had
considerable influence in the borough.
Mr. Phinn—Wan your object to acquire the same influ-
ence as was possessed by your father?
Mr. Webster—My father was the friend of every one in
the borough, and I wished to be the same. I did not con-
sider the old system of paying a guinea bribery; it was
matter of custom. I objected to the interference of Mr. Ed-
wards as well as that of Mr. Coppock. Ilia object was that
they should go on as they did in his father's time, and that
every man should do as he pleased, irrespective of Mr.
Coppock's influence. Mr. Coppock could come down and
prevent a contest. Received 201. last May from Mr. Low
for expenditure. Expended more than that amount for
his losses. Gave his whole time to Sir Robert Carden, and
paid another medical man to attend his patients. While ho
was away his patients got whoever they thought proper, and
on a bill being brought to him he paid it. Could not say
how much he paid in all to medical men. Paid money for
the attendance of Mr. Hutchinson and Dr. Hastings; not
less than from 51. to 10/. The remainder went in the can-
vass. Some of the voters' wives asked for a new cap ; it
was impossible to go about without being called upon to
expend money. The mere expenditure out of pocket
amounted to between 1.11. and 201. Received nothing
therefore for himself. Was an intimate friend of Mr.
Simpson, and was aware that Mr. Simpson's object was to
obtain the control of the election instead of Mr. Edwards,
the price being fixed at a lower figure.
Mr. Slade (addressing Mr. Edwards)—We wish now,
Mr. Edwards, to have some explanations front you with
respect to previous elections with which you were con-
nected. From the language of the act it appears that the
legislature would not be satisfied with less.
Mr. Edwards re-examined—There were four candidates
at the election in 1847. The lion. Mr. Craven was a libe-
ral; Mr. Itepton, a conservative; Mr. Raphael, a liberal;
and Mr. Wilkes, a liberal. That election had been long an-
ticipated. The parties in St. Albans were as usual prepared.
The liberal party was divided. The witness then proceeded,
at the wish of the commissioners, to give the following nar-
rative. It was the wish of the principals of the conserva-
tive party and of the liberal party that there should be no
opposition, as the only means of doing away with the sys-
tem which prevailed. lie was a party to the arrangement,
each party consenting to make up his fee for aiding in their
election. lle gave an assurance to Mr. Blagg and Mr.
Coppock that he would take no part in any contest; it
being arranged that he should receive 2501. from Mr.
Blagg on the part of the conservatives, and 2501. from Mr.
Coppock on the part of the liberals. He kept himself
aloof from the election until there were three candidates in
the field. Ile then called upon Mr.Coppock, and told him his
exact position. Mr. Coppoek wished his receiving the
2501. to he contingent on Mr. Craven's succeeding, but that
he would not consent to. lie said, 0 You will lose Mr.
Craven, and I shall bee my position, and we shall none of
us get anything." There were three candidates in the
field, and there was no prospect of Mr. Craven's getting in.
Mr. Slade—Who were the three?
Mr. Edwards—Mr. Craven, Mr. Wilkes, and Mr. Rep-
ton. He left Mr. Coppoek in anger, considering that that
gentleman had broken faith. lie had before had Mr.
Raphael in view, and he went to a person who was ac-
quainted with him. lie was told that Mr. Raphael was
then on the Continent, but had a strong desire to sit for
St. Albans, and should be written to immediately. In
order that there might be no mistake, he mentioned to the
party who undertook to write, that 3,0001. would be the
expense of a contest, and out of that he should expect
5001. for himself. The result was, that Mr. Raphael
came to England, and he (witness) received an intimation
that he wished to see him. He had an interview with Mr.
Raphael. They went into the question of expenses to-
gether, and Mr. Raphael did not dissent. lie referred Mr.
Raphael to Mr. Blagg and Mr. B njamin Bond Cabbell,
and the replies were considered satisfactory. Still there
TIT a difficulty. Mr. Raphael hesitated to come; and, as
there were other candidates in the field, he (witness) was
losing his position. Before Mr. Raphael had determined to
come a requisition to him was got up in the town. A day
or two after, a gentleman drove to his (Mr. Edwards's) farm,
and told him that Mr. Montague Gore had determined to
come. Mr. Simpson came to his house on the same sub-
ject. lie told him exactly how he was situated—that he
felt obliged to see Mr. Raphael again, and did not wish to
lose him at that moment. They then got into the carriage
and drove to the office of Mr. Gore's solicitor, in Lincoln's-
inn-fields. The result was that Mr. Gore declined to come.
Mr. Slade—What did Mr. Gore call himself?
The witness—A liberal conservative.
Mr. Slade—Yon were prepared to take Mr. Gore if Mr.
Raphael declined ?
The witness—Yes.
Mr. I'ninn—With the assurance of being aide to carry

his election ?
The witness—l had no doubt in my own mind about
that. (Laughter.)
Mr. Phiun—Politics bad nothing to do with the
matter ?
The witness—\o; he then went to Mr. Raphael, and urged
him to make up his mind one way or other. The inter-
view ended in Mr. Raphael's coming to St. Albans and
agreeing to spend 3.5001., giving him (witness) SON. to com-
mence with. Mr. Raphael said " If you succeed, Mr.
Edwards, I'll make it up 5;0001.," and called several
persons to the table to hear his statement. That was never
made up ; though the promise justified him in going to
a greater expense. Mr. Raphael came to St. Albans, ac-
companied by his solicitor, Mr. Macho, Mr. Sirapson,and

Mr. Seism, a tenant of Mr. Raphael's. They came to St.
Albans in a carnage and four, and drove to the Turf Hotel.
They were met by a great many persons, and received that
day up promises before the bag had been opened at all.
(Laughter.)
Mr. Slade—Had you intimated to the parties that you
had got a candidate who would pay money ?
The witness—No.
Mr. Forsyth—They knew you too well to doubt it?
(Laughter.)
The witness—Decidedly. They then commenced the
Canvass. The election ended in Mr. Raphael.' return.
Mr. Raphael polled 294 votes, Mr. Renton 4ti, Mr. Wilkes
WO, Mr. Craven 126. He had the assistance of Mr. simp.
gm, who received a third of the 400!. paid to himself, namely,
166!. 13s. 44.
Mr. Chinn—Was the 3,500/. generally distributed in the
lame amounts as at the last election ?
the witnesa—No ; that was rather an extravagant elec-
tion. Some persons received as much as 24/. ; the amounts
ranged between 'even or eight pounds and twenty-five
Pounds.
Mr. l'hinn—What made that election extravagant ?
The witness—There were lone candidates, all of whom
Carried on their canvass with great spirit. Ile had mother
view also besides that of returning Mr. Raphael.
Mr. l'hinn—What was that ?
The witness—The return of Mr. Renton.
Mr. Slade—You made a bargain for two votes?

that many homes were let for 101. nominally when the
parties did not actually pay more than 71. or 81. Many
voters would show a receipt for 101., and swear that they
had paid that amount, when he (witness)knew that, in point
of fact, they had not- Had known the ease of a voter
going to return his bribe before he took the oath against
bribery; and after he had taken the oath going back again
for the money! He fancied, perhaps, that he thus evaded
a violation of his oath. Believed that none of the candi
dates were aware how their money was being applied. Ile
always endeavoured to keep it secret from them. Ile cer-
tainly never received any money from a candidate for the
purpose of bribing. Thought that two persons on the list
of voters, who Mr. Edwards said had not received money
from him, had received some from himself. Of those who
voted for Alderman Carden, twenty-one received
money at the previous election to vote for Mr. Repton.
[The witness titre read the names of the 21.1
Mr. Fairthorn esamined.—Wasasolicitor in the borough,
and acted for Mr. Wilkes as his legal agent. The sum he
was to have had was 2L 1., hut Mr. Wilkes made him a pre-
tent beside 9. Ile was sometimes a conservative, but gene-
rally a liberal—(laughter)--according to circumstances—
not pecuniary circumstances. As far as he could recollect
Mr. Wilkes's election cost him about 1,0001. Was not at
all cognisant of money having been given to voters. No
money passed through his hands. He would have Writhing to
do with money matters in the eleelan. Heard that Mr. W likes
had to spend some money on voters. All the money
given to voters was paid without his (witness's) knowledge
or consent.

The witness—Exactly so, sad that increased the amount
to be paid. lie had a perfect understanding with Mr. Illagg,
and knew all his secrets. Mr. Itcpton had bound himself
not to spend money, and would not give Mr. Blogg the
_ .

bid now

Mr. Commissioner Phinn said the
gone through the whole of the evidence on the general
question 44f bribery at all the elections except Mr. llarris's ;
but they would be glad if an► person who possessed infor-
mation pertinent to the inquiry would come forward and
communicate it after Mr. Harris's examination had been
concluded.
The conunissioners adjourned at half-put 3.

Mr. Phinit—Waii it, in truth, Mr. Raphael's money that
bought Mr. Itepton's election ?
The witness--Decirieilly.
Mr. l'hinn—Did Mr. Repton's friends contrihute any
thing towards purchasing the votes ?
The witness—l know what I did. Independently of his
irsig to great expense, Mr. Bing had no money, and he
(witness) lent him ZiftW. to conduct Mr. Reptaites election,
which was afterwards returned. Ile never 4.1 W any money
except Mr. Raphael's. One of his indueemi nts was, that
whatever fee might be charged by Mr. ]lepton to Mr.
Biagi; (he knew the amount to be ), if Mr. Repton
aumeiled, Mr. Illagg was to hand over to hint half. Only
18 voters plumped (or Mr. Repton; all the rest split their
woke with Mr. Raphael. About 260 voters were paid by
lII= at that election.

LIVERPOOL COUNTY COURT. - THE

INQUIRY AT PRESTON.

PRESTON, Nov. 6.
The proceedings yesterday terminated by the
opening statement sit' counsel on behalf of the memorialists,
when a speech of Mr. Ranishay's, delivered subsequently to
the presentation of the memorial, was objected to by Mr.
berjeant Wilkins, and the Chancellor decided that it could
not be received unless shown to be so coanected with an-
terior circumstances as to he es,ential to the elucidation of
the charges made in the memorial.
At 10 o'clock this morning precisely the Earl of Carlisle
took his scat on the bench, accompanied by Mr. Ellice, the
attorney-general for the duchy, as assessor, and by Mr. F.
pawn Danvers, the sees ctury. A considerable time elapsed,
however, before the counsel fur Mr. Itmushayarrived.
Mr. Monk and Mr. Tindal Atkinson having addressed
his lordship,
Lord Carlisle said he had intimated yesterday, ar.d would
now repeat, that he did not intend to be bound its this in-
quiry by any very strict observances of technical forms; but
he must observe the general rules of fairness, and he did
' not think the memorialists entitled to enter into matters
which occurred subsequently to the presentation of that
memorial, unless specifically and specially elucidatiug the
allegations therein contained.
Mr. O. I). Cooper, reporter, was the first witness called.
Ile was in the Counts. Court ou the 25th of August, and
heard Mr. Itainshay *deliver a speech on that occasion, a
copy of which he now handed in. The substance of
the witness's testimony was that be did not re-
collect Mr. RAM/1110 calling is witness an ass on any occa-
sion; if he did, he would leave deemed it of sufficient im-
portance to report it. Has furnished reports to the London
Tunes, and has been paid for them according to the length
of the report. lie reported for the Liverpool Standard and
for the Mercury on the same day. Remembered seeing Mr.
Itamshay use gestures, such as closing his fist, while address-
ing the witness.
Mr. T. A. Humphries, another reporter, remembered at-
tending a dinner given by Mr. Itainshay, at hisown court in
Liverpool, on which occasion the judge made a speech, of
which he took a note, and a faithful transcript of which he
now handed in. The speech of Mr. Serjeont Wilkins was
also included in that report.
Cross-examined by Serjcant Wilkins—There was no
manifestation of exultation or triumph on that occasion.
He (witness) hail attended the court chiefly for the pur-
pose of seeing that the judge was correctly reported ; and
he saw nothing extraordinary, the court seemed to be con-
ducted as such courts usually are. Mr. ILonsitay appeared
to be always lenient to the poor suitors; and in witness's
opinion conducted himself with fairness. He hod never
witnessed any manifestations of indecency or impropriety
on the part of the persons present in that court.
Re-examined—Had never been present when the judge
fined people for contempt of court, and had not known him
tine witnesses for not beating the questions put to them.
Mr. 1). Mtelenaghan, also a reporter, deposed that on the
29th September, the occasion when Mr. Whitty, sen., was
brought before Mr. Ramshay, he was present in court, and
took a full note of the proceedings. lle had furnished a
faithful transcript for the London Times, and had also a
copy himself. lie faithfully and honestly reported those
proceedings to the best of his ability. lle continued in court
until after Mr. Whitty's committal, and remembered while
Hartley was under examination the judge was obliged to
send ham out of the court, having put a question relative to
a hand, to which Hartley slid nut give a direct answer. His
Honour then turned upon him and said, " You uss, don't
you know that a hand doubled is what we legally call a
fist ?"

Mr. Minn—How ninny ♦otcil fur Mr. Itepton ?
The witness-24A.

Mr. rhino—Then there were only 30 unbribed men ?
The witness ash' he must correct his statement. There
were 3.5- 2115 received mosey in acme way. Ile looked
upon it ;hat there were 6 liberals and 21 conservatives who
did not receive asonev. Mr. Wilkes polled 230 votes; Mr.
Craven 126. Thomas Barrie, a brother of his (witness's),
acted as agent for Mr. Wilkes ; Mr. Gibsn, who had left
the town, for Mr. Craven. Ile believed Mr. Harris would
be prepared to give information. Mr. Gibson resided, he
undi r.tototl, at Boulogne.
Mr. Forsyth—ls the term " heavyweight" known in
this borough ?
The witness—Yee. _ .

if.: in the meaning of that word ?
The witnens—Why it in applied to those who aro very
estrayag.int in their elaimn. _ . .

Mr. Forth—What do you all a heavy-weight ?
'the itne.4-25/. or :11)/. I can recollect three persons
who demanded lOW. amongst them at Lord Livtowel's eke-
lion. 'ld perverts who received such large amounts were
lot of the poorevt elan. Would give the names of all the
person. hritw•d in ISI7.
Mr. Slade—There is a statute of limitations with respect
to them.

read the words of the act requiring the com-
missioners to report with respect to each election.
Mr. Edwards—There were persons on the register who
received money at the last election that dial not receive
money at n previous one. Twenty-nine of those
who voted for Alderman Carden had received money
in 47, and 23 more names on the present registry received
money on previous occasions. Thi refine, :i2 of the purity
gentlemen received money. If he were to mention the
=DIV. of all who did not receive money in 1t417, the number
would appear very small. The following Mel,: the names :
Joseph Riddle, Thrones Ward Itlaatz, Edward Boys, Wm.
Brooks, Benjamin Carrick, Thomas Dilworth, Luke Cherry,
Wm. Cherry, John Day, James Anersley Dorant, John
Stephen. Francis, Jordan Free, Wm. Illair,-Thos.lleywood,
John Walter Homer, David Bottum, Thos. Weedon Kent,
Wm. Lichfield, John Brassbridge Nash, Francis James
°ambit-don, Joseph Russell, Win. Shepherd, Francis Ro-
bert Sylvester, John Ward. and James Webb.
Mr. Fonarth--That makes 26 in all who did not receive
money in 1S1; ?
The witness-201 out of 29.5. These were gentlemen
voting fur Mr. Raphael, without, as he conteientiously be-
lieved, receiving any of his money ; as far as he believed,
they hail nu money at all. He thought there were bills in
two or three instances. There was one man who had II?.
at that election ; he was a bootrnaker. The residue of the
1".14 were all paid by him different sums. Ile had nothing
clear for himself. After the election, tavern bills came in
which he had not expected, amounting to 3:301., and after

paying them and Mi. Simla. in's recount, he Lad nothing
for himself. Ile made a claim on Mr. Raphael, but re-
ceived nothing below! the 5001. Spent 1,0001. more in
the election in 1817 than at the last one. After a com-
munication with Mr. Magic, witness said he understood
that Mr. Langley also voted for Mr. Raphael, and he
certainly received nothing from him (witness). The
same remark applied to Mr. Roberts. Mr. Langley's
eon received a situation as surveyor of taxes. Itetwoen
1832 and 1817 inclusive, there were seven elections; was
concerned in all of them, and took the liberal side on all occa-
sions, except at the election of Mr. Cabbell ; paid money to
electors at all the elections. Pohl tho largest amount at Lord
Listowel's two elections, in February and June, 1811 ; those
elections cost together about 2,5001. Thu following were
the expenses of different elections from 1)432 :—Mr. Henry
O. Ward, 183.1, 2,4001. ; July 25, 1837, Mr. Muskett, from
1,8001. to 2,000. ; February, 1841, Lord Listowel, 3,0001. ;
June, 11141, Lord Listowel, 2,0001. ; 3,0001. more being
spent, but not paid ; August 11, 1846, Mr. Cabbell, 3001. ;
in IMI7, Mr. Raphael, 3,5001. : in 1830, 2,5001.
Mr. Forsyth—That is 18.700!.
Mr. Edwards examined—!tail experience of five or six
elections before the Reform Bill. At that time, being a
clerk at the Bank, saw three candidates walk into the
Bank and deposit 4,0001. each. Agreed with Mr. Blagg
that the electors had been more extravagant in
thin. demands since the Reform Bill. Previously •
larger amount was spent in keeping open house.
A great deal of money, too, was spent in bringing up the
outlying freemen. The venality of the voters in St. Albans
had increased since the Reform Bill. Believed that in
many cases the landlord let the house with the vote ; that
is, the house fetched a larger sum than it otherwise would
on account of the vote. Mr. Blagg and Mr. Barris would
admit that fact. If an election cost 2,0001. two-thirds or
that amount would be given to the voters. Before the
Reform Bill the proportion was reversed. Before the Re-
form Bill the rule was to pay before the vote was given ;
since then it had been the reverse. Did not think ono in
ten of the voters considered the receipt of money bribery.
Before the Reform 11111 persons start out openly with the
bag, and went from house to house to pay the voters. It
was perfectly understood between Mr. Blagg, Mr. Osbal-
diston, and himself that if a man would split his vote
he should be paid • certain amount, and they used
to sit down to settle the matter. !lad never known
any member to be unseated for bribery ; the petitions were
all unsuccessful. The first petition which he knew of was
against Lord Listowenselection in 1841. That failed, there
being a compromise. lie (witness) bad never been exis-
seined. The next petition was against Mr. Cabbell's return ;
was withdrawn. Tho third petition was against Mr.
Bell's return. Was sorry to say he had heard the bribery
oath administered to many electors ; some who had been
bribed at previous elections denying it upon oath. Nothing
was said to Mr. Raphael, before the election, with regard
to the payment of voters. That was • point always un-
&snood. Mr. Cabbell advanced only :001., which secured''
his election. Treserveel his (witness's) influence with the
electors by kindness to them. Could not bring home is
Lord Listowel, or any other candidate, a knowledge of
bribery.
Mr. illogic re.examined—llis experience extended to ten
eketions. Assisted Mr. Edwards at Mr. Bond Cabbell's
election, in 1840; there was no comport between them. In
1847, Mr. Rcpton, who was opposed to bribery, spent, in-
cluding 3001. (witness's fee), 1.21/01. About 500 e. of the
mount was paid for votes. Of the 276 who voted for Mr.
Repton, 120 were paid. No one received more than five or
six pounds. Mr. Repton was not cognisant of bribery
either before or after the election. Certain items in the
account were used as • blind.

lb. Slade—ln point of fact, you rendered a simulated
umaint ?

Mr. Flagg—A colourable account. raid some of the
votes., as little as 21. Among the voters on that occasion
were many who voted for Alderman Carden at the last
election. Concurred with Mr. Edwards that the venality
of voters had increased since the Reform Bal. Could not
say that before the passing of the Reform Bill it
wu customary for the landlord to have the command of
one of the votes. The largest sum expended at any election
within his recollection wee spent in 1841. 11r. Repton wu
at the head of the poll ; Lord Listowel second. There were
also Mr. Worley and Mr. Muskett. For Mr. Repton sad
Mr. Worley, the conservative candidates, the expenditure
was about 3,5001. About two-thirds went to pay voters.
Could state the espaliers of the elections since the passing
of the Reform Bill. In 1832 the amount spent for Mr.
Turner we, nearly 3,0001., leaving him (Mr. Magi) consi-
derably in debt. The tradesmen's bills incurred amounted
to between 7001. and SOW, There was a six months'
swan. The amount expended on the conservative aide in
118:15, including the 7001, left from the previous election,
which he insisted on ;having paid, was about 1,8001. At'
that election there was a second conservative, Mr. Bern-
ford. In 1837 he was coacerned for both the
conservative candidates, Mr. Oritnatone and Mr.
Cabbell. Mr. Modiste was the liberal candidate.
Mr. Grinetonex expenses were about 1,8001, and Mr.
EabbelEs about 1,0001. In 1841 the expenditure was very
small, under 1,0001. At the -second election in 1841 Mr.
Repton and Mr. Worley were the two conservative candi-
dates, Lord Listowel and Mr. Iluskett the liberal ones. It
was supposed from the defeat at the preceding election that
tiny (witniu's party) had little chance. The expenses of
that contest, including Mr. Worley's, were about 3,5001.
lied no knowledge of the expenditure in 1816, except from
what Mr. Edwards had told him. In 1847 the expense was
abut 1.21'01 Had understood that the expense of Mr.
Beresford's election in 1835 wu about 2,0001. Had
no doubt that at the election in 1847 Mr.
Wilkes spent 1,0001., though he came down on purity
principle., and wu the popular candidate. Was certain
that when houses were let the vote was an element; also,

Gems-examined by Mr. Serj. Wilkins—Was • short-hand
writer, and has been in Liverpool six yeses. There were
four other reporters in court when the expression " you ass"
was used ; hut the witne,s did not know whether a report
appeared in any Liverpool paper. Knows that his report
hoa bean publicly impugned. He writes Harding's system
of short-hand and omits the vowels. The monosyllable
" is " he denotes by the single letters; but the word ass, as
a noun, be distinguishes by a double s. Produces his note
book. Made a pencil mark, at Serjeant Wilkins's request,
under the word " WS." It denoted "
By the assessor—The mark with the dot wider denotes
the word " ass."

Croft-examination resumed—Witness mad his notes to Mr.
Bean, one of the editors of the I,rerpool Albion, who tran-
scribed them in the railway carriage on the journey to Lon-
don. He was requested to go to London to furnish a report
to the Times by the agent and coriespoudent of that paper
in Liverpool. He had ou several occasions previously been em-
ployed to report for the London 'limes, DT Mr. Bean, in
the ordinary course of business, such as railway meetinn,
and similar proceedings. He had reported for the Lirer-
pool &warlord Inc four years, and was for eight months
subeditor of the Liverpool Tomes. Had been sued in Mr.
Hamshay's court, since the sitting of the last court ; applied
for time, which was refused. lie had a sum due from the
Morning /'wt in London, fur Liverpool and American
news, which he wished to get, and had taken proceedings
against the person who employed hm on behalf of that
paper. In August last Mr. Itamshay reheard a fraud case,
at the request of witness's brother-in-law, who was defen-
dant in the cause, and the judge reversed his previous
decision.

Ile-examined by Mr. Monk—llan no doubt whatever that
Mr. Ramshay used the word "ass," on the 29th of Stil-
-1 timber; he had furnished reports to all the London papers.
Mr. L. M. Rogers, a citizen of the United States, arrived
in Liverpool on the 21st of September last ; is an importer
of books and newspapers in Nassau-street, New York ; was
in Mr. Itainshay's court on the 29th of September, and
beard the judge make use of the word " ass. ' lie leant to
the right, and, addressing the witness, said : " You ass,
don't you know that a hand doubled so is a fist ?" Had no
doubt whatever of the words having been used, as he took
particular notice of the word " ass."
Mr. T. B. Phillips, a reporter—Wu present on the Mon-
day following, and heard the judge tell Hartley ho was an
I ass. Is quite certain of the word.
Cross-czamined by Serjeant Wilkins—At the time
Mr. Ilanishay called Ilartley an ass, witness was not more
I than two yards off. 'there were several other reporters
present, but on that day witness did not take notes, as he
could not get a seat. -Wu present when Six Geo. Stephen
spoke of shooting a man through the head, and the senti-
ment was followed by an expression of enplane, such as
stamping of feet. Wituosi had seen such scenes in the
assize courts. Remembered a similar occurrence when
(Beeson Wilson was sentenced to be hung. Mr. Justice
Patteson was the judge on that occasion. lie does not re-
member his lordship ordering any one into custody, but
the judge was cheered as he left the court, and so were the
jury. Witness is paid 2d. a line by the London papers, and
a guinea a day in Liverpool.
Re-examined-A./id not see any one committed on the
occasion of either Glerson Wilson's trial, or when the
chartists were tried before Mr. Baron Alderson. A loud
hiss was given when the government reporter broke down.
Heard the words, "You ass," uttered by Mr. ltamshay
most distinctly.
Mr. Robertson Gladstone, merchant, of Liverpool, was
the next witness. Before giving his evidence, he wished to
address his lordship relative to the threat held out to wit-
nesses.

Mr. Serjeant Wilkins objected to the course proposed by
Mr,Oladstone.

Mr. Gladstone said he wished to be protected before
giving his evidence.
The Assessor said if he would confine himself to stating
his object, they might hear the witness.
Mr. Gladstone wished to know if the witnesses were to
receive protection at the coat of the government ?
The Apessor declined to give any pledge.
Examined by Mr. Monk—ls a magistrate of Liverpool,
and also of the county, and had been Mayor of Liverpool
in the years 1842 and 1813. Had heard a great deal of
Mr. Rarashay's court, and went there on the 29th of
September to judge for himself. On arriving there the
judge was examining a witness named Joyce ; but the state
in which Mr. Ramshay appeared to be attracted witness's par-
ticular attention. lie seemed to he excited to a very COD-
' siderable degree, and apparently almost bunting with pas-
sion ; he was taking down the evidence of the witness,
and as he wrote he repeated what be was writing. While
so engaged, his mind seemed to revert to something which
bad previously occurred, and he said, "Let that man con-
sider himself in custody." It was said in a burst of pas-
' non. Hartley was one of the witnesses examined while be
(Mr. Gladstone) was present, but did not hear any epithet
applied to him by the judge; but witness was absent for
half an hour about three o'clock. While Joyce was giving
his evidence, the judge said something. about blows • but
the witness had nut mentioned anything of the sort, he
merely said ke had been collared. Throughout the whole
of that day the same infuriated condition appeared in the
judge, he did not seem to cool down once, and the wit-
nesa's impression was—
, lir. Serjeant Wilkins objected to Mr. Gladstone giving
his impressions. It appeared that other people beside Mr.

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, NOVEMBER 7, 1851.

Ramshay could get excited, even those who had bees twice
mayor of Liverpool.
The Chancellor said—lt was surely competent to the •
court to hear what the impression made on the witness's
mind was by the conduct of Mr. Ramshay.
Witless resumed—When the judge turned to Mr.Whitty
his eyes reddened, and it would be impossible to give an
idea of the expression of his countenance, which appeared
searce4 human. The language addressed to Mr. Whitt,
was of the most insulting kind ; and it was a matter of per
amazement how Mr. Whitty remained so quiet under
language so gross so had been applied to him by the judge.
The judge frequently said he would teach the people of
Liverpool how to behave themselves ; and the impression
made altogether on witness's mind was, that Mr. Itamshay
was not of sound mind. Ile desired the bailiff to bring up
all who had applauded. One of th! bailiffs said thg
whole court applauded, and the judge vrplied, that unless
they brought some one before him, he wouid fine them
.51.; two people were thereupon brought up, one Brown, a
tailor, and Caldwell, a flour dealer. He heard the judge
say that only for observing sonic few respectable people in
court he would order the doors to be lucked, and tine every
one present U.
Cross-examined by Mr. Serjeant Wilkins—Does not know
the ordinary expression of Mr. Itainshay's countenance;
he bad never seen him before. Was nut aware that Mr.
Whitty had held up Mr. Itanishay to contempt, or that he
had impugned Lord Carlisle's motives in appointing that
gentleman. Mr. ltamshay seemed to suggest the use of
the word " blows" to the witness Joyce, when he had not
stated anything like the sex of blows until prompted by the
judge. Mr. Ramshay was in an infuriated state of passion
when witness entered the court, and seemed almost burst-
ing with passion when he ordered the reporter for
the Alhiwa into custody. Witness did not join in
the applause, hut would have been quite justified
if he had. (The learned Serjcant accompanied the
*skin m's answers by a running commmentary, but
Mr. Tindal Atkinson Mb rptecil, and the Chancellor de-
cided that it was irregular.) The judge appeared to labour
under an almost insane notion of the sacredness of own
person, and the dignity of his office. Witness was te ver in
the county court except on the occasion to which he had
referred.

Re-examined by Mr. Monk—Recollects a female coming
forward to give evidence against the tailor Brown who had
applauded, and the judge's countenance then relaxed into
a smile, and the redness of the eyes ceased. Witness had
promised to contribute to the expenses of this inquiry, and
still meant to do so.

Mr. J. Jeffery (of the firm of Jeffery and Morrish)—Had
carried on business fur twenty years in Liverpool. Went
to the county court on the '29th of Septemher. The court
was full. The judge appeared very much excites', amount-
ing in wituess's opinion to a state of frenzy. His
countenance was inflamed, his wig was thrown back
from his forehead, and witness's impression at first
was, that he was labouring under some extraordinary in-
fluences. Ile had not been in court five minutes before he
felt that the liberty of every man in that place was jeo-
pardised. 'the questions were nut put in a Nay he ever
heard before. Words were put into the mouths of wit-
[WWl which they had never used; and the word "blows"
wa' uttered by the judge as having been uttered by the
witness, which the latter bud never used. Was present
when the burst of amain..., took plate. Mr. Ramshay
called on the bailiffs to bring some one Isaac him who had
insulted the court One of the officers replied that all laid
done it. He replied "Am Ito be judge and bailiff of nay
own Clan ? fine you all five pounds a piece if you don't
bring some one before me directly." A female then selected
the nein Brown, who was brought up in the custody of one
of the offices. The expremion of the judge's face to this
woman was rather insinuating than otherwise. (A
laugh.) Brown attempted to question the woman
as to the truth of her statement, but the Judge
would not allow him to do so. Brown then se-
lected a gentleman in court who was a foreigner,
and standing by his side when the applause took
place, and who disproved that Brown had taken any part in
the applause, but the judge sentenced him to an imperative
imprisonment of seven days without the option of paying a
fine. One of the bailiffs then stepped ferware and pointed
out Mr. Caldwell, Hour dealer, as having applauded; but
because of Isis being a respectable man, he was dealt with
more leniently than Brown had been. The language used
by the judge to Mr. Whitty was most insulting ; ho said
That his evil passions were depicted in his countenance, and
that the worst feelings of human nature had possession of
his breast. Mr. Whitty stood in the box for seven hours,
and did not speak throughout the whole proceedings. Wit-
ness was also present in court on the Wednesday when Mr.
Whitty, jun., was on his trial. Preventive measures were
taken to keep people out of the court on that day, and the
Judge appeared milder that day, but several times showed
symptoms of excitement. The judge on that occasion
volunteered to advise the witness Joyce to bring an action
in that court, to lay his damages at nod., and he would give
hint the fall amount.

ANOTHER TERRIBLE STEAM-BOAT EXPLO-
SION NEAR BRISTOL-FOUR LIVES LOST.

A painful sensation was created yesterday at Bris-
tol, in consequence of its becoming known that a terrible
boiler cattleman had taken place, accompanied with the loss
of several lives, on board of a steam tug boat called the Lady
Emily, at Conham, about four miles distant from that My.
It will be remembered that soma months ago a paper, for-
warded by our Bristol correspondent, appeared in the Ex-
press, giving the particulars of some experiments which
had been made, with a view to testing the practicability of
navigating canals by steam, so as to save the delays and
expenses consequent upon the old means of locomotion em
ployed. In consequence of the see cess which attended
those experiments, the Kennet and Avon Canal Navigation
Company had the Lady Emily built. Great care and
attention was employed in her construction, her machinery
was of superior design and make, and she was fitted with
an engine of about IS-hone power, and with the deserip-
, tion of screw propeller known as " Jones's patent." The
original intention of the company was to employ her in
hauling their barges 'ipso the canal beyond Bath, but it
was found that the weeds and aedges growing in the water
I and upon the banks seriously interfered with her successful
employment, and she was consequently taken off the upper
station, and appropriated to the hauling traffic between
Bristol and Bath.
On Wednesday evening the Lady Emily was on her passage
from Bath to Bristol. and it would teem that she WSW being
worked up to a considerable if not to her full speed. When
about half a mile front Conham, at which place the accident
occurred, she overtook and shot ahead of a barge belonging
to Miasma. Smart, canal ..arriers, of Bristol, called the John
and Sophia ; and it is stated that the men employed on board
of the last named yeasel noticed the rate at which she was
being propelled, and that one of them, a nein named .L.tnes
Gallop, emarked to the captain that the Lady Emily was
going faster than he hat ever before seen her go, and that
he thought they must be getting all they could out of her.
The JOllll and Sophia was being hauled upon the old sys-
tem, by horns and, as has been stated, the Lady Emily
passed her with her barge rapidly, but she had not got to
any great distance ahead when the explosion took place.
It is described by the crew of the trove as being of the most
violent and fearful character. They heard a tremendous
noise, as of the discharge of many cannon ; there was then
au accumulation of strain, smoke, and ashes • and then ar
soon as that had cleared away they looked tor the steam tug,
hut could see nothing other. The force of the explosion had
blown out the deck, and hurled it into the air, and frag-
ments of it were alts rwards found at distances from the
Root, and the hull of the ill•fated boat had sunk to the
bottom of the canal, which, at the point where the catas-
trophe occurred, was from seven to eight yards deep.
As soon as they hail recovered front the first effects of
the terror which the awful occurrence naturally gave rise
to, Gallop and his companions commenced a search to see
if there were any members of the crew of the steamer which
had survived the catastrophe, but fur some minutes no trace
of any living laving could be discovered. The barge which
the tug hall in tow drifted, and ran 'war to the Jan and
Sophia, and the barges were passing over the snot where
the boat had sunk, when Gallop heard a cry of distress,
and a voice exclaiming, • Help, help, for God's sake save
me." The captain immediately put in the barge towards
the place from whence the cry came, and they found one
of the crew of the Lady Emily struggling in the water, and
evidently suffering the most extreme agony. Gallop im-
mediately jumped overboard, and got out the sufferer, who
turned out to be one of the crew, named Wm. Haggett.
Upon recovering him from the water they found that he was
terribly mutilated, his left tout being torn from the leg, to
which it hang only by a portion of the flesh. Ott other
part* of his body were also dreadful injuries. Ile informed
Gallop that at the time of the explosion he was engaged in
steering the barge, and hod not the most distant idea of
approaching danger. Ile further stated, that besides the
captain there were on hoard the steam boat at the time of
the accident a man named Wm. Daily and a boy named
Griffiths, all of whom, he feared, were killed. He ascribed
his own escape from instant death to the circumstance of
his being some distance from the boiler.
As soon as he had laid Haggett on the bottom of the
barge, and paid I int what attention he could, Gallop pro-
cured a ferry boat from an adjacent ferry, and commenced
a search fur the other sufferers, but in this his efforts proved
abortive. The only remains of the vessel or her crew he
could find were some fragments of the deck, and bits of
woos', n piece of the boiler, and a jacket and hat, which were
found at no great distance from the No. 3 Breslington
tunnel of the Great Western Railway, which skirts the
sides of the canal. Gailop also picked up some hymn books,
hich it is supposed belonged to some of the ill-fated men.
After prosecuting his search for some time, the crew of the
barge came to the conclusion that there was no hope of
saving any other life, and they therefore proceeded to
Bristol and conveyed Haggett to the Royal Infirmary of
that city. A consultation of the faculty was immediately
hell upon his case, and hi+ leg was amputated in the hope
of saving his life : but the injuries lie had received were of
so severe a kind, and the shock to his system so great, that
he gradually sunk, and died in about six hours after he was
taken to the house.

Cross-examined by Serjeant Wilkins—ls a member of the
Guardian Society. The firm of which he is principal sub-
scribed 101. towards the present investigation. Witness did
not know Mr ltamshay before Mr. Whitty's trial, and did
not know he would have had to give evidence here until
this morning. The Guardian Society numbers 2,00 d, and
he had subscribed to it for nearly 21) years.
Mr. Monk asked slut induced Mr. Jeffery to subscribe
to the fund fur the purposes of this inquiry ? The question
was objected to by Serjeaut Wilkins; and the Assessor in-
quired of the %line*. when he had subscribed ?
Mr. Jeffrey replied, as soon as a subscription was opened.
Ile had no previous knowledge of Mr. ltamshay, nor had
he the least feeling of prejudice against him.
The court was here adjourned for a quarter of an hour.

The search for the miming bodies was recommenced at
daylight yestcrilav oy a number of men, and after
dragging the river for some time they were all three of
them recovered from 8y... water into which they had fallen.
Some fragments of the boiler have been picked up also.
They appear to be of sound and good iron. In some parts the
rent to at the rivets. There are, of course, as is always the
case upon the occurrence of accidents of this terrible and
fatal kind, many rumours afloat as to the probable cause of
the calamity, but as a searching inquiry will be made by the
proper authorities it would not be right to give currency to
them. By charter and ancient usage the river Avon (of
which the canal is partly composed) is in the jurisdiction of
the city of Bristol, from the Sheepholmes in the Bristol
Channel up to a place culled Bonham. Intelligence of the
occurrence has constituently been communicated to J. B.
Grind," Esq., the coroner for that city, before whom the
inquiry will take place.

VISITATION OF 'THE DIoCESE OF OXFORD.—
AYLESBURY, TiteliteDAY, Nov. 6.—This morning the
Lord Bishop of Oxford commenced the triennial visitation
of his diocese at St . Mary's Church in this town, the
deaneries comprised being those of Muraley, Waildesdon,
and Wendover. The clergy were surnmonot for 11 o'clock,
at which hour the service commenced. l'rayers were read
by. the Rev. J. It. Pretymiut and the Rev. E. N. Coles.
Iliac was no sermon. The biabop commenced his charge
by a reference to local matters. lhe returns which be had
received from far the greater number of the parishes in the
diocese were, through ClutPsgreat mercy, on the whole cheer-
ing. The number of services in their churches had consi-
derably increased, the holy communion was more frequently
administered, and the average attendance both at the ordi-
nary services of the church and at the holy communion
was larger than it was three years ago. The number of
candidates fur confirmatiou had steadily increased notwith-
standing a higher standard of age had been fixed at which
they were admitted to that rite, whilst there was more
of attendance and reverence in their conduct than formerly.
His lordship then proceeded to impress on the clergy the
necessity which existed for making an effort to produce
among their congregations the due standard of common
prayer, and of attentive worship. They should, then,
labour to cultivate a temper of devotion among their people,
by aw4kening in them a sense of its importance, and by en-
deavouring to form their habits to it by such instruction as
might make them understand our own form of prayer, and
feel a pert in it, by removing out of their way all external
hindrances, and supplying all external aids which could as-
sist them. The application of that principle ought to direct
the liberty which the church gave them as to chanting certs
of the service, or simply reading them. Much had
done in that direction within the last three years. Fifty-
five churches had been wholly or in part well restored in
that diocese within the last three years, and fourteen new
ones had been built, and most of them endowed. The
knowledge that those good works had gone on around them
might, perhaps, encourage other parishes. His lordship
also adverted to the unanimity of the clergy of the
diocese in protesting against the papal aggression,
and concluded by some general admonitions against
those laxities of discipline which made room for
the introduction of new forms and strange sects.
In allusion to the Gorham controversy, the bishop said—
Amongst the most important public events of the last three
years, was the judgment which had been delivered in the
case of Gorham v. the Bishop of Exeter." Upon that he
had given them publicly his view in answer to their ad-
dresses at the time, and since then be had seen no reason
for altering or qualifying what he then expressed. One
thing, however, be would add. Let not any one suppose
that they who could nut acquiesce in the wisdom of that
judgment, or on the reasoning on which it was founded,
therefore of necessity desired to narrow the existing limits
of the church, or to drive oat those of their brethren whose
views differed from their own, provided only that they be
actually subscribers to the Book of Common Prayer, and
taughtnothing plainly and directly repugnant to its language.
The statements which they condemned did, as they be-
lieved, transgress those limits. Those statements, as they
understood them, absolutely denied the possibility of rege-
neration being conveyed in baptism, and lowered down
p. that blessed sacrament to en empty sign. They did not
, believe that such a view was common among their brethren
/who had yet spoken of that judgment as if it had sheltered
them. They did not believe that the condemnation which
they thought should have been pronounced ought to have
affected the position of those their brethren in the church,
and surely they were right in that view. The church of
England had left to her sons a large liberty of thought,
and deep would be the injury done to her if that liberty
on either side were leisened, so as to affect any who could
with faithfulness and truth subscribe to all her formulaic!,
taken in their natural sense. The success of any such
attempt, from whichever title it came, would be fatal to
her usefulness. God grant that instead of suspecting one
another, or seeking to find each other out, they might,
with loving hearts, bear with and endeavour, by their
rorgrowth in light and love, to lessen all their differences.
himself, in his office' the rule he had ever
laid down was simple, and he trusted that, through the
help of God, his observance of it would be complete—it
was to hold of course inflexibly, and to state to them
always with all freedom, his own views of truth; but as to
all the points on which good men within our church might
lawfully differ to be, as their bishop, of nu party ; but,
whether he agreed entirely with them or not, to honour all
who in their several parishes were striving in love and self-
devotion to do the work of Christ, and to give them, what•
ever were the shades of their opinions, heartily and un-
grudgingly ovary support and aid which they could gather
from his office without abridging their just liberties or com-
promising his own view.. He was well aware that such a
course must expose a bishop to the reproach of his enemies,
' and that the reproach which it was hardest for flesh and
I blood to bear, the reproach of insincerity • but he trusted
to be made able to bear even that, if need were, without
shrinking, that if God would by thus becoming in its
I truest sense, all things w all men," he might, by strength-
ening their several ministeries, through the grace of 0' od,
save some. His lordship then left the church.
NAVAL APPOINTMENTS.—ADMIRALTY, NOV. O.—
Surgeon-Superintendent B. Bynoe, to Aboukir, convict
ship; Surgeon G. Wlaitmarsh, to Rapid; Clerk S. U.
Moore, to Victory.