The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-16 00:00:00

—vim of er nations. (Hear.) There was a
111.".—▪ :bthst had been laid ea the table, which was a
loess____;64:o, omelet gentlemen appointed by successive ad-
.„„,graTirr Mem of no particular political bias, and having no
• view but to give information to the FOreign.office.
_,..lritten nom all pars of the world, without any po
ls"— nmunication on the part of the respective
nevertheleer. there could not be a more
than was contained in that document
200 years of encouragement to the commercial
that•
II " res
h d ul-ed in its infinite superiority over other
ha
noble lord would forgive him if he said
would rather trust to the gentlemen who
du• t
, up t noble
nil bins for a the
true rep
o orpinionthan onto the matter.
stnised more fully than he the importance of
°oas
keep" reee •
h d •finsive resources of the country, and if the
t e ,
,f the drfens,ve navy depended on the commercial
- .•
e7t'his *tore r ion ronrtitution was altered the better,
mit leant on a broken reed. Although these laws might
h00,,,,d be time, yet they ought to examine and num
esiste them, instead of taking the ir beauties on trust, or they
ht be educed to the condition of the frogs In the fable
0, yawn Jepiter s, nt a king, whom they regarded for some
Mae with much admiration on account of the aplash he
in the war r, hut whom on inspection at last they
toting to hr
,N mere log. til• tr.)
gr. HENLEY' opposed the proposition of the right hen.
gratlemin. The hon. member
againet who poke t
last
seam had got
▪ e use of abuse en in
;ore), end he had rested his case mainly on
iliese-hook, in which, at all events, there was a considerable
weber of cenfrailictory statements. He would no more
-silt of estimating the character cf an (ulna people by the
envied by the magistrates of a country to the
eight tickee them, then he would of terming his
'the ch tructer and habits of seamen from evidence
• blue-book. (Hear, hear.) Whet, he would
rate of insurance at Lloyd's for these ships,
eirdinst to the bon. gentleman. with such disso-
and such ignorant careens ? Why he found that
veld get their goods insured in there shipe for
; could in foreign ones. (Hear, ha ar.) Tbore
who oriel down the mtrehent service would do
or in mind the source from which the British
ten manned. (Hear, hear) That navy beat
g it e !countered, and it was manned principally
.e m reheitt service. (Hear, hear.) And he had a'
of leen. that if war were to commence again, in spite
ejurt imputations lavished on there men by the hon.
opposite, these men would again do their duty
to their te.een and country. (Cheers.)
.HELL cited some cases of the unfair working
of law, and the injury done to the trading inte-
These special caste of injury, however, were
few in number, because these laws had existed
has 200 years, and few persons indeed would think
rag over goods to ihi. country in opposition to the
rescrieed by them. There wee one statement made
100. member for Oxford, which he could contradict—
'teas on foreign vesrels were insured at a cheaper
if on English b teams. Now, his conviction was
bolt, on the whole were better than foreign ships.
that the first close English vessels, such as
a the East India and China trades, might be
peer terms than any foreign ships. The reason
; f.r not only were the ships better, but their
re educated men, well qualified to guard the in-
te erecter and to protect the property of the mer-
e° freights wire entrusted to their care. It hap-
in other vessels the captains were principally men
m Moore the mast, and who, though well able to
ship at sea in a storm, were whulty incompetent to
nirees. or to set as example to their crews when on
o should be glad to see in the merchant service of
ry the system adopted which was practised in the
states of Europe, where no man was admitted to
land, or even as mate, on board a merchant ship
tad pureed an examination, not merely in navigation
knowledge of language.,
_the rules of exchanges,
rat of the Irai,clies of the education of a gentlemen.
,hose countino-house was visited by captains of mer-
`ot must be struck with the manifest difference
.f of the English and those of the ft reign mer-
e. He had Mom If fouud that in 200 charter
came before him in the course of a year, there
one to wt ich the signature of an English cap
ible. From these causes the shipowner was in-
property jeopardised. It had been said that if
a laws and the apprenticeship system were
would be no meal's of manning the royal
case of a war. Now he (Mr. Mitchell) contended
'or difflaulty would arise under the present ',a-
wes the number of apprentices, that there was
of able- bodied e. amen, who were driven into the
service. Hew could that surplus lie brought back
a war On the whole, if he could think that
opine would su'tain the slightest injury from the
proposed in the navigation laws, he should be
selopting those changes; but he was convinced
management would arise from the spirit of corn-
which these changes would create ; bad habits
-et rid of, and activity and despatch would be

..ARRIS rem.eked that be had heard nothinb
.enure of thi. discussien to induce him to withdraw
lactate he had given belore the speaker leR the chair, of
intention to move, when the chairman reported progress,
e the ciremittee should not sit again until the report of
dards' committee was laid before tLe house. He did
wish to interfere unnecessarily., but he must
a word or two in relation to the question
the commercial marine being the nursery for
et the royal navy, aLd therefore for the
of the sati,mal defences. On this aubjec!,
r naval officers Lad volunteered to give their
ly one, Sir James Stirling, had been examined
eel oonomit,ee appointed at the instance of the
- for Stoke (Mr. J. L. Ricardo). lie should be
are an explanation of that circumstance, because he
exception to many parts of Sir James &idiom's
- That gallant officer, for whom he entertained the
p et, had stated that of the seamen in the royal
ore than une-te uth had been brought up in the
trv..e.e. This was ni gatived by returns made by
r of seamen, which he (Captain Harris) held in
, and which showed a totally different state of
not only with regar I to the ship Sir James
himself comm inded at the time he gave his
'set wi:h reference to the crews of the Howe,
and the Amphitrite, all of which had
into commiseino within the last year.
lens made by Sir J. Stirling were true, namely,
of 20,000 men in the royal navy, only 1,000 were
up in the eernmereial service, there would be at
red of the whol,. question, ;as far as the navigation
I concerned. The only observation be had to snake
statement was, that it was utterly incredible, and
:by possibility be well founded. ills own personal
led him to form n directly opposite conclusion,
, on a visit to Spithe ad, he had fitted no smaller
on than two to one of the seamen on board
larch, end other ships lying there, who had
'.t up in the merchant service. (liear.)
. hon. members, before voting on these results-
: for the report of tLe Lords' committee on the
ors. He hoped the right hon. gentleman oppo-
,ijourn the further consideration of his resolution
inattee had reported.
MiCHERE said he could not consent to this
would be altogether unworthy of this house.
atleman dissented from the resolution, Le
a that dissent ia the usual way. lie now pre-
ijourn the further consideration of the resolution
ly next. A message had been sent to the other
seating that when the evidence of their committee
ter!, it might be communicated to this house.
;DSON wished a postponement for a fortnight, on
of the great importance of the subject. Looking
,iaess before the house, the Health of Towns Bill
masons, it was probable that this would not oc-
tter delay. Only two petitions had been so yet
in favour of any chong , in the navigation laws.
ROUCH ERE—I presented Pea myself.
:IISON read from a return which stated that up
'?lay only two such petitions had been pre-
right hon. gentleman had strongly abused the
I.of the ceuetry. This reminded him of the
',actions to a learned counsel : " No case ; but
to abuse the plaintiff's attorney." (Laughter.)
:me, notwithstanding the right hon. gentleman's
that the m, reantite navy lived in the esteem and
of the people of this country. (Hear, bear.)
t hon. gentleman had admitted that British-built
tee the best, and that British sailors were the best
but this wan a qumtion which did not depend on
lay of our shim or the excellence of our sailors.
therefore read wish great regret the disparagement
hipping by some of the consuls; perhaps the reason
• that they were largely interested in foreign
He was confident that the borough he tepee-
' of the largest ports in the kingdom, would
'We this measure. The right hon. gentleman
. ship-building might he carried on without
44 as well as other manufactures, but he seemed to
itexotteu that the cotton and other manufactures were
nod by a duty en foreign praducts. When the free
allesserca were prop rad two years airs, they were held
i aie greanst liessiegs th.t could he devised; he should
to know what benetits had been derived irons them.
%'der trecdrade preposal now made would entail niter
ee the 'Lie ing trade ; and though it might be true
oe is st ariele w,s the cheap. 4 its the long run, it was
"eel use who could afford to fitly the best article ; and
loslnseley was that /hip-Leading would alnaat en-
. hoe tb s country. lle earnestly hoped that the sight
,15,.theenn would defer these resolutions for at leost a
aould scarcely be sufficient time for the
reePese of the penderous Health of Town Bill.
iIIOUCHERE hod no wish to press the matter un-
; Ar. ea this was only a resolution on which a bill was
Ir.uded, he thouebt it not unreasonable to ask the
wreseme its c ,usalerathai this (lay week—anxious, as
Nat the bill should become law in the present ste-
(Hom, hear.) As to the wercontile marine, he had
" sweeping ensure upon it. Admitting the skill,
o and ebkeesmaiaship of the men, he had state d, on the
of sequationslae retu-ns, that the ship-master
"iciest is the re qu'isite qualifications; an I i.e making
~eal tarot he thougf.t himself a much better fri. and to
-?4llde marine than any one who would withdraw
heel the fact. (Hear,
_hear.) In the. China and
led ether trades, h, Maestri] the qualifications of the
ishcr7s most neexcaleionable ; but in other trades,
1,..7ecy is skill, and the consequent • :int of disci-
Imelneitig deplorable consequences, wl.:ch could
eee:"l be brought under the nuuce of the house.
.e ent W
inhSON .g
11;4, the Who lee made by tli. se consuls
, I.
ud to en man's charact s would he safe.
Lo
4111:10 more,! th-t the chairman sboull report
thowataire to art agent.
wadthh would be s very blown*.

iiorgave anPh, l ny
aim" hr .subt helot
• 'sas of the ch teat
heard in a blue-b
oof the rate ul
according to
crews and snob i
reheats could get
than they could
demo who crier?
to besr In mi
rg was then man]
rythirg it e !cow
them rehunt •
c nfl tem, that
the unjust imputu
tlemen opposite,
y well to their
Mr. MITCHELL
the present
by it. These
els. few in at
orate than 200 y•
bronsing over go
preAmihed by
the hon. member
pod• on fore
than if on Eng
• En:lish, on th
:seas satisfied thu
engaged in the
at loser ter.
obvious ; f no
• .rs wen' educe..
• of the ow oer
is whose freight
that in other
eht fr m hetore
age • ship at sea
duct husirees. or
Hc should t
country the cyst
•era states of E
command, or en
he hsrl passed
is the knowleds
jg 'Vet 14 the I.
p see whole count
t ships hut mug
ea those of thi
-tile service. He
;es which came I
scarcely one to
ems legible. F
sad his propel
strigation law
el, there wut
in cue of
the flue difat.•
, for such was tl
;usage of able.
strylce.
cue of a war:
• shipping we
Pe, DOW prlpae
chary in 11 lopt
• road managem
non which du
be got rid t
tatted.
Captain HARR]
the more of thi,

service of the ro
tenant* of the eat
many naval offic
only one, Sir J
!be select commit'
somber fur Stoke
to have an ex planati
exception to man
• . That gallant'
veep et, had eta,
Lot 01014 than one
bani errv'ee. This
registrar of oeamen,
hood; and which I
. not only wi'h
at himself crown
• , but with refe
Leander, and the
put into corns
s 'lawmen' made bj
oat of 20,000 men
t up in the con
ea ei.d of the wht.l
me concerned. 'I
that statement was.
at by poosibility I
ier.ce led him to
newly, on a obit to
gooortion than two
kmarch, and o
broupt up in
mnested hon. men
to wait far the rat
um laws. He he
'sold adjourn the ft
that committee had
. lABOUCHERE
, which would be
say hon. gentleman
express that disse
to adjourn the (us
H•tday nest. Ana
,reeplesting that v
reported, it might
. HUDSON wishe
t of the great i
• business before tt
odur memorise, it
rooter delay. (
•cd in favour of a
. LABOUCHERI
. HUDSON read
10:h of May ant]
The right hot
tile navy.of the
inAructikaas
to abuse the
stew, notwithsta
. that the no, rca
ins of thy pen
r.cht hon. gent
were the best,
• ; but this was
cozily of our eh
41 therefore real
shipping by eon
be that they
. He was co
one of the It
• 4,premt• e this
that ship-in