The Express.
London, England, 1851-12-25 00:00:00

call the deputation) of two great counties like Lan-
cashire and Yorkshire had to say, and he agreed with
Mr. Bright that his lordship might have heard the deputa-
tion with great advantage to himself and to his government,
if he had condescended to hear those gentlemen, for he
believed that the deputation could have informed his
lordship of something he did not know, and, what was
more, which he did not wish to understand. lie repeated
that he regretted much the course which Lord John ltus-
sell had taken, convinced as he was that it could not add to
his dignity as prime minister.
Mr. 0. HADFIELD asked the chairman if a word more

courteous then "or:oleo" could not be used iu the too-

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lotion. Ile thought that in arguments the am:viler ca mock'
was not less useful than the fielder in re, and he should be
glad if the wont " evasive" was left out, as it seemed to
him to be almost ungentlemanly.
Mr. BRlGllT—Everybody believes it to be true, I sup-
pose.
Mr. lIADFIELD did not say that he thought it Was
untrue ; but he thought the word " unsatauct irh " would
do as well. _ .

Mr. J. C. DYER thought it was a duty which Lord John
Itu,sell owed to the country to base received the deputation.
and that if he had done no would not have been an act of

condescension, but of uprightness, honesty, and (memorise of
conduct. (hear, hear.) The deputation was appointed by
a large number of employers of labour and of capital, and
brought to their task much intelligence, therefore it was
highly offensive to the country at large to spurn it, and
was in fact to say, " Gentlemen, we don't want to hear
anything from you; we know enough, without your
ctimine nll this distance to instruct us." Perhaps the
ministry did know enough, and more than they wished to
know, with regard to the strong feelings of clioatisfactioss
warier presuiled in this county with respect to the unjust,
inefficient, and unsatisfactory representation which now
;7k
nm:eed. Ile was astonished at the want of sagacity of an
minister who aboukl reject &deputation scornfully—
ha would twiny ovaslvaly,beesaas (two dear that Lord Jehm
Russell did loot wish to hear it. It was most unsatisfactory
and absurd to say that because a measure affected the whole
country, a deetitation appointed in this great centre of
capital and industry could not give information which
might be valuable to the prime minister and to the govern.
ment If Lord John Russell had a fall and effective ma-
Nule in his IIOtOM, and wanted to have the full credit of
brimming it before the country, it might be an excuse for
his discourtisy ; but if he hail refused to receive the depu-
tation because he wanted to foist upon the country a pal.
try, inefficient, and unsatisfactory measure, it was de-
grading to himself and to the ministry to which he be-
lonized, and must be highly umatistectury to the inhabitants
of these two great counties.
Mr. WYATT was astonished at the unanimity with
which surprise had been expressed at tke conduct of Lord
John Russell. Ile could find men in the room who a
dozen yeare ego condumued Lord Jelin Russell more
strongly than they had done that afternoon. lle was quite
sure that the country had never received a good measure
which origineted with the whigs. The conduct of the
prime minieter hurl been just such as he had always ex-
pected from the whigs.
Mr. HENRY AeIIWORTH reminded the meeting that
Lord John Itueell had recently received a deputation from
this town on the subject of education, without questioning
the ability of the inert who composed it, or the confidence
felt in them by the people of Manchester. Any " incon-
venience " which Lord John Russell might have experi-
enced by receiving the late deputation ought, he thought,
to have been borne by his lordship, unless he could give
some better TC23911 fur declining to receive it. If the depu-
tation had been one about papal aggression. not a word
would have been sled against it.—LA Votes : Or about
bishopemaking.)—(" Hear," anti laughter.) If Lord John
Russell came forward with a measure such as would satisfy
them, they would forgive him what he had dense, and it' he
only offered the grudging extension of the sutfrege usually
attributed to hen, they would know more of his reasons
fur deelinine to receive the deputation. Nu harm could
piesibly resultdo their cause from that refusal. He (Mr.
Ashwurth) would support tire resolution as it stood.
Mr. G. .W FIELD euggested that there amulet be some
manifestations by meetings in renew; pens of the country
of what measure of reform the people expected to have at
the hands of the prime minister. (near, hear.)
Mr. wawa said he had no objection whatever, if the
meeting wished it, to leave out the word evae.ve," but
no one who had spoken had expreseed au opinion that the
reason given by Ltrel John Russell was the correct clue
Ile agreed with Mr. Hadfield, however, that although they
might feel certain that good motives were not intended, no
ttelvantuge cantle result from imputing bud motives.
Therefore he bail not the slightest objecti in to allow the
resolution to read " must uusetisfactory," instead of
"evasive." A good many reasons might be given why
th:re was not, and could not be, at the present time, once
au extritordinury excitement so there was twenty years
ago. There ATIO, however, something twine done. Vor
instance, at Neweutle, the other day, there was a pre-
liminary meeting called by mime gentlemen—ho be-
lieved Mr. Crewsnay, of the large iron weeks there, wes a
good deal connected with it,—and that preliminary meeting
gave in their approbetiou of the remlutioutt ;need here,
and decide 1 to call a public meeting early in Jemmy.
From Edinburgh, also, he was informed on goal auteurey,
that in Jamiary,—end they must know that nothing could
be dome now between this and the ended tire' year,—a meet-
ing would he held there. From Mr. Careutt, at Leeds,
they had heard that an aneements were iu regrow fur
holding a pnlilic meeting in that town. From Birmingham
they heard that correspondence was going on, and theca,-
dons taking place, which were expected to lead to an move-
ment there. With regard to the tesolutions passed here,
all he hat to say was, that there appeared very little dis-
position on the p art of any persons, who were at ail in
favour of relent', to find emit breteuse they went sa far.
(Hear, boar.) And he was informed by an intimated
gentleman in Ilinninghtun, that the people there were
hot quite prepared to take the Manchester resolutions
because they had always advocated a more extensive mea-
sure. Now he (Mr. Bright) had no objection to their sieve-
eating a measure as extensive as they pleased. Let every
part of the country ask for what they thought best; and
he bad ito doubt that an average of what the elite:rent parts
of the reentry asked fur would amount to very much what
was duce' in the el:melte:sue resolutions was likely to
he received by the country. If Lord Jtohn Ruesull would
only come up to that average, Ire (Mr. Bright) should
be perfeetly satisfied, and reit inclined to say anything
very angry uesout Ins refusal to receive the deputaion.
(Hear, liter.)
Mr. NELeON thought that no other word could so well
express the feelings of the meeting us "evasive;" and
every speaker telly admitted that the reason given was not
the real one.
After a little converts-Alien, it was agreed that the word%
most unsatisfactory " etiould be substituted for " evasive,"
and in this amended form the resolution was unanimously
agreed to.
Mr. BRIGHT said there VMS another mutter which
might be considered. and to wheels Mr. Medfield had re-
ferred, with regard to their prosecuting the movement as
far us they might be able. Gentlemen must be aware
that these m Mere were not proaecuted without a con-
tinual expeoliture, more or less. They had never pro-
posed from that room, or in Manchester, to get up an organi-
sation of the country upon the question of reform in the
mine mariner as, after years of labour, they had done on
the question of free trade ; but they slid think that front
this centre they might tike such steps as would at least
explain to the country I tidy the views and opinions of
the population of this county. They Liner that iu lork-
shire, from Leeds probably, steps would he taken to
obtain the opinions of the Yorkshire towns. We here
proposed to ease measure' iu Lancashire for seine-
halite and obtaining petitions from many parts of the
county : by corresponding, he meant. with gentlemen in
various towns and districts, fur the purpose of asking them
to co-operate with us here. Everything done with regard
to this wired entail some expense—not very large. lie
thought if there were mine 2,900 f., 3,000 L, or 4,11001., snore
or lees, in the. course of collection, it would enable various
very legitimate and proper twieleuery to be put in mu-
time so that they would, at any rate, leave Lord John Rus-
sell without an excuse for whatever was done, and they
would not then have to blame themselves. Ile did not
know whether anything could be done at this meeting.
Perhaps the beet thing would be to propose a resolutiou
that this meeting is of opiiiion that it nit the duty of those
who are in favour of parliamentary reform iu this town
OT district to enter tete a subscription for the pur-
pose of defraying such necessary expenses as may
ba incurred. They might get a few gentlemen to
divide ,hemselves into two or three parties, and call upon
those who were known to be iu the habit of giving, or who
were willing to subscribe to such objects, rind by the se means
tjiey might raise aburelent funds for the next month or two.
If the meeting agreed with this, the chairman might under-
stand it to be t'ne opinion; and arrangements might be made
for putting it into effect. If they started with a subscription
of M. a Piece, uo doubt many others would subscribe per-
haps 1..1,3 slams, and in this way they would be utile to get
all the fumes ewe tie-in 1.
Mr. GEOlaill HADYIELD said he would give 501.;
but he thought it best to divide that sum; leaving it to
he nnilerscsoil that one-halt "mild not be called for if not
needed.
Mr. BRIGHT said he e-ould give SOL also.
The CHAIRMAN atinounced that he would undertake
to make the peeper ineetututs for waiting %teen
parties who might he expected to mist with subscrip-
tions.
Ihe proceedings then terminated shortly alter 6 o'clock.

THE GROWTH OP RITSSIAN POWER is in part
shown ioy the following statistical data :—ln the year 1402
the ui inpire covered an area of 100,000 square
miles, and it. popul dim was 0,000,000. In 1581 the num-
bers were 7,400,000 square miles ; population, 12,000,000.
In 1689, 14,400,000 square miles; population, 16,000,000.
In 1725, 15,000,0q0 square miles ; population. 20,000,000.
In 1825, 20,400,000 square miles ; population, 44.000,000.
In 1551, 21,000,000 square miles ; population, 63,000,000.
Cabpse Gasetts.