The Express.
London, England, 1851-05-23 00:00:00

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views of the impaolost anew= esmitted to their lama
to give this neseene a warmovie—lvewenta welt fed emu.
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motives with wilt* Ow sinews was
felt featskaes la the as itself, iR
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in the 'barmier of Own to whom Se aubmiall.
whom ho wow seed to mad it a seemA time. PlittiO)
TM Awdidditp CATITERBUEY, trusting Ong the
eassenlent might contrive how to &Mend the bill, emiesatod
to the sestail feedbag. A better management of the saps-
take properties
.was much wanted; but ho found 111117
NAM ImpeTfetboll. In the bill Or it stood.
TM Bishop of LONDON said that no one was wee elm
eerely desirous than himself that the property of the thumb
should be made available for the supply of spiritual dediell•
tioa; but that would not be accomplished by this bill. In
fact, the bill would deprive the population of a future illsp
of the means of supplying that destitution. It would soh'
posterity. The property of the church was held in teats
for the Christian people of this country, and it would le a
dereliction of duty to sacrifice the church's hts. Sidi
not agree to this bill, though he should sot *Dot teasdse
committee to consider the whole quads&
Aber some observations from the Doha of RICIIIOND
and Lord HARILOWnT in favour of the mama 1111.1011 by
Lord Carlisle, on the understanding that /is how% by
adopting it, pledged itself to nothing but a full sad Mg lip
quiry into the subject,
The Duke of BCCCLEUCH opposed the bills at Ow
commencement of an entire alienation of chute
Lord STANLEY said that it seemed to lee
admitted that some legislation on the subject our russet,
and if he thought that the adoption of the proposal ler
referring the bill to a select committee wee ertivalent
rejecting its principle, he certainly would not be a party to
a course which would ne
gative the only prqsmt yet sub-
mitted to parliament for effecting a very important object.
By sending the bill to • select committee the house only
declared that it declined to accede to the principle of the
measure, until further inquiry had been made,
and if in the course of that inquiry the Bishop of
London or any one else could bring forward any scheme
by which ecclesiastical property could be improved to the
same extent without injury to existing righta, he (Lord
Stanley) would prefer that scheme to the plan proposed by
the present bill. Perhaps the second reading might be
postponed, and a committee appointed to investigate the
subject, to whom might be referred, not the bill itself, but
the reports of the commiesioners upon which the bill was
founded.
Earl FITZWILLIAM could not agree with hie noble
friend who had sat down, in his suggestion to abandon the
bill then before them, that it might be referred to a Com-
mission or • committee. He ventured to say that if the
proposition of his noble friend were adopted, no bill would
pass the legislature in the present session on the subject.
(Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE observed that there
was little in the speech of the noble lord opposite (Lord
Stanley) with which he disagreed. However, he thought
the noble lord would see the advantage of the bill receiving
• second reading. The state of church property was such
as should not be continued; and, therefore, it was desirable
that the legislature should interfere, with a view to placing
the respeetave interests on • better footing than at present.
He begged to remind the noble lied that they could not ad-
vance the consideration of the subject without a reference
to the details of the bill, and that reference could best be
had is a select committee. Ile thought the committee
should have an opportunity of eonsidenng both principle
and detail ; of considering the bill in reference to the reports
of the commissioners, and the evidence contained in thou
reports ; as also the provisions of the bill itself. He appealed
to such noble lords as had experience on committees
whether it was not a great advantage in such
committees, whatever the opinions entertained in respect to
details, that an outline of the bill should form as it were
the substratum for the consideration of the committee, to
help to the investigation of every detail also as the specific
proposition and enactment of the bill ? (Hear, boar.) He
was ready to say that, in case that course should be agreed
to, he did not consider the house as pledged to the right of
absolute renewal of leases. He saw nothing in the wording
of the bat that could prevent the committee regulating it in
a way moat conducive is the interests of the church,
taking into consideration at the same time the claim of
the weepier. But sending the bill to a committee at pre-
sent, without a second resting, would be equivalent to
postponing it indefinitely, which would, he apprehended,
be attended with great disappointment. (Hear, hear.)
He submitted whether it would not be more expedient to
allow the bill to be now read a second time, pro forme,
before any further step should be taken. (Hear, hear.)
The Bishop of OXF ORD rose to make a specific motion,
namely, that a select committee of the house he appointed
to consider by what system of management the capitular
and other property of the church could be rendered most
productive to the said church, and most conducive to the
spiritual welfare of the people, due regard being had to the
just and reasonable claims of persons now holding such pro-
perty, whether under lease or otherwise. (Hear, hear.)
It might be objected that this course would produce
delay, but it was a case to which the proverb " most haste
i. worst speed" might be applied ; and he trusted they
would at least be extremely cautious what measures on
such • subject they carried through parliament that ses-
sion. (Hear, hear.)
The Earl of CARLISLE would give his most decided op-
position to the amendment. After the discussion which had
taken place—after the general concurrence in the opinions
which had been expressed—after the subject had been under
consideration for upwards of ten years—after • committee
had been specially appointed last year, as to the report of
which there had been no complaint--end after the govern-
ment had brought forward a measure founded upon that
report—he thought it would be acting • most ungracious
part now on a sudden to refuse the bill the courtesy of a
second reading, for—he thought the noble lord had ad-
mitted—at least the present session. If a select com-
mittee were appointed, be thought that the person
would he very sanguine who should suppose that its re-
port would finally dispose of the question; and as he (the
noble earl) considered that the effect of the amendment, if
carried, would be • virtual withdrawal of the bill, he should
give it his most strenuous opposition. (Cheers.)
The Earl of ABERDEEN said the noble earl who had
just sat down had spoken of a second reading as a matter of
courtesy ; but the fact was that the second reading, what-
ever might be the understanding they had come to, affirms'
the principle of the bill. If the principle of this bill
were, as had been represented by the most rev. prelate,
the renewal of leases in perpetuity, that would be ad-
mitted by the second reading, and they would be debarred
front touching it in committee. The provisions of the bill
they might deal with in committee, but the principle they
could not. The second reading was, therefore, not exactly
a mere matter of courtesy. (Hear, hear.)
Earl GREY entirely concurred with the noble earl who
hail just spoken, but what was the principle of the bill?
(Hear, hear.) The noble lords bad both stated that they
were willing to take as the &Wawa of that principle the
first, and the first part say, of the yeardle, amid, (and
this was all that the home as salad to decide by the mond
reading), that it was alhatarbAptl on all heads that the
existing management of ding& peoperty was each es to be
most injurious to the 1111111116 dietll.ll6, and the public, and
that they would endeavour Is past an act which should
substitute for the weft sea a spa= of management as
should render it Most beeehdal be the said church, and
most condnealr• to the epMi.al with's of the people, due
regard bet, hid w Me rights of the present holders of such
ProPert7.wiennalsplenermerotherwise. (Cheers.) They might
altar the assmittee, and even say that whereas
a ripen ban gmemesd midi which they 1111 not agree,
each as altuolha was geopessil. (Hoer, hem) Although
Me waradowet woo sat that the bill be NM a email Owe
Mat day ix soswase It did, in fact, laOrithe OD Wig Me
maidens( the ppm* asedition of eintreltrilla
considered that Ow boons would incur a great ty
H they thus deckled taut coq legislation on enhlect
whatever. _ _

Atter a few words from the Archbishop of Ciumast
and Earl POWIP, their lordships divided.
Contend
Nan-contents
The bill wu then read s second time.
Several other bills were sdvenced a stage, sad
Their lordships adjourned at eight o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Tausso.ty, MAT 22.
The Smacks took dui chair at 4 o'clock.
__NEW WRITS. _ .

Oa the mod% of 16.flawra, a Dew writ was ordered
to be imad far the duds. of • member for the borough
of Newry, is the roam of Lord Newry, deceased.
Oa the make of ldr. C. Bares, a new writ was or-
dered to le Ywed far the election of a member for Argyll-
shire, i• the wowof Mr. D. M'Neill, who had •eespted
the teen of ere of the judges of the Court of Series is
BroU•ad.

—The following bills were read a third time :—Chorley
Waterworks; Eastern Union Railway ; Edinburgh Royal
Asylum for the Insane; Liverpool Docks (Alteration of
Management, Ike.); Westaresper-Mare Improvement and
Market; Bills.
The following bills were considered :—Brackley Roads
Consolidation; Omat Western Railway (Railways to ass-
met the Illnatighlint and Oxford Junction Railway Ilia
the Lowden and North Western Railway at B' '
411,-): IsTllleS Bridge and Causeway; North
(hays eel leprovemenu ; Sunderland Improvement; Bea.
On the modem of Mr. W. Parriv, the lidinrisirmai
Market RID was referred to the committee oa
Market Removal Bill._

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PUBLIC BUSINESS.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL.
Mr. T. BUNCOMBE pm asides that, in committee oa
this bill, he should more that Me Ent clause be postponed
instil the lease is is af a copy of the brief, re-
script, er Maws ups which the enactment in
the slid dame Is
• RAILWAY ACCIDENTS.
Sir O. CLERK said, nab' the Pladdeat of the Board of j
Trade in his place, he Mimi to haw whether, in nesse-
quence of the mummer Mg amilesto whir had resselly
1 occarred on railways, .dries, es it appeared, her the
therness of the Word Midi doped between the dept.
tine of the mew, the eight has. gerisema iambi to re-
osmeeri the oterprint to rope noel imealivele r
wdght be aramtaray to "wad a. recurrence of mesh
dleasisee. is whirr, in ease Tailwey hoards did not
sperm sedlelent power he that be Intemisipratestion to
to primer he niedenel piton the
.tile lire mai limbs el trarlier TWO nedbore bad
waned on the are railway within the last hw dap.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the sal/set refined to by the
lea. bermet had rewired, awl .sussed to receive,
the root metal attention his the railway commie-