The Express.
London, England, 1849-10-25 00:00:00

CONTINUATION OF TILE TRIAL.

Pierre Walsh called to identify the body. Examined by
Mr. Clarkson—Law the body of Patrick O'Cuuror, on the
18th of August, et the house in Meyer place. I knew him
since the 26th of April last. I saw him alive on the Bth of
August. I was wi.l him on that day at his lodgings in
Ureenwood-street, Mile-end-road, and accompanied him in
the evening to 3, Miever-place. Mrs. Manning let us fn.
That was about a quarter to ten o'clock. Manning was at
home, and we all sat together. After a short time Mrs.
Hameln! 'eked him, " Wby did you not come to din°. r to-
day ? We ken. dinner waiting en hour. Did you not get
my note I" O'Connor fait '• No." I (whines) aid perhaps
it did act arrive until after he left the docks. He then said
he would get it to-morrow. O'Connor said then
that I (witness) had got the balance of the bill
(Mr. Pitt's) to-day, for which execution had been
.aken out by the officer of the, court, Charles-street, Hoxton.
Mrs. Manning asked hies would he proceed for the other
three bits. Nu. Ling bad been sail prev'ously about the three
bide. O'Connor acid he would proceed. Manning and
O'Connor comm. need cmokieg. After souse time O'Connor
became faint, and sot oa the safe. Mn. Manning brought
some brandy and water. O'Connor would not take any, but
shostly recovered. He I. shortly after, end I went with
him as far as Commercial-street, Whit: chapel. He appeared
in good health. That was about twits e o'clock. I did not
see him again until I saw his dead body. He and Manning
appeared as friendly as brothets.
Cress-examined b 7 Mr. Ballantine Mrs. Manning
Lathed ?is temples with eau-de cologne, Litt it rid not re-
store him. He teak warm brandy and water. Mn. Mea-
ning, in speaking of the bills, called them " Pitt's bills."
In enawor to Serjeent Wilkins—Pitt is a grocer in the
Bethnal green-road.
W. Keating, examieed by Mr. Bodkin—l am a clerk in
the examiner a effice, Customs. I was acquainted with the
dec-msed Patrick O'Connor. I saw him last oa August
towards the Surrey side of London-bridge. That was about
a quarter to five. He was going towards Bermondsey. A
Mr. Graham was with me, and some converscion took place.
O'Connor showed Graham a letter.
Mr. Ballantine objected to the production of the letter.
The Attorney General said that no letter had been found.
After a short discussion the must decided that the letter
should not be ptoduced.
Examination continued—O'Connor, after some conversa-
tion, proceeded to Bermondsey. He appeared in his usual
health. On Sunday, the 12th of August, I went to the
house 3, !dilate-place. I saw Mrs. Manning, who opened
the ,'oor to me, and I went in. I asked her, Had
Mr. O'Connor come there to dine on Thursday I
She said be did not. I asked her had she not been down to
his house on Thursday eight and the following night. I
asked her the hour she went to his lodgings. She said seven
o'clock on the first evening, be having been at her house the
eight before, and not well. I said that was strange, he
having been seen on Landon-bridge by two friends. She
said nothing to that. I asked could I tee Mr. Manning, as
he might have seen him. She said that Mr. Manning
thought it ungentlemanly that O'Connor should not
have come to his appointment. I thought that she
looked nervous. I saw no Gas else. I inquired for
, Manning, and she said he was out. She thought he was
gore to church. I asked was it likely it I came round in the
evening I should see Manning to inquire about O'Connor.
She said they were asked out to tea, and would not be at
home. I have seen her write. She and Nanning appeared
to be on friendly terms with O'Connor.
By Mr. Ballantiue—l knew O'Connor and Mrs. Man-
ning were intimate. I have often lett them alone together.
I have often met them. I have been at O'Connor's lodging's
and have seen Mrs. Manning there. I have seen her there
about 8 o'clock in the evening. I have left them there alone
es late as 8 o'clock. The evening she told me she had been
there, I think aliened 7 o'clock. She said that. I'll under-
take to swear that she said she was down at O'Connor's
on the 12. h and following evenings. I cannot swear to the
hour.
By Sergeant Willeine.—l have seen Manning and O'Connor
on friendly terms.
David Graham, officer of customs, examined by Mr.
CLuke.—l was acquainted with the deceased, P. O'Connor. I
wa in company with Keating on London-bridge on the 9th
August, when he met O'Connor. I went also with Keating to
Minver-place on the 12th. I saw Mrs. ManninA. I recollect
some conversation between Keating and Mrs. Manning. He
asked her if she had seen Mr. O'Connor, and she said not
AIM Wednesday, when be was ill acd lay on the sofa, and
that she rubbed his face with ean•cle.cologne. She said she
went to his lodgings at a quarter to 6 or a quarter to 7 on
Thursday. She said she went to know why he had not come
to dinner. I think she said that Mr. Nanning thought it
ungentlemanly. Mr. Keating asked for Manning, and she
unsaiditethheadevgeonnit
evening
By Serjeant Wilkins.—When we met O'Connor it was
bet suhrechs.aidlitheiyiLweaouldgiorioudthaet teawo.uld
about a quarter to 6.
By Mr. Parrj---I have often seen Mrs. Manning at
O'Connor's lodgings in the evening. o:Connr oecupied
two rooms on one fioor, a bed-room and a sitting-oroom.
James Coleman was called, when the court adjourned for
refreshment.
The court and jury returned at a quarter past 2, when the
witness James Coleman was called and examined by the
Attorney-General—l am a locker in the customs. 1 have
known O'Connor for 10 years. I saw him on the 9th
August about 100 yards from Minya-place; that was about
five or ten minutes after 6.
By Sergeant Wilkins—He was going towards Milner-
place.
John Younghnsband examined by the Attorney-Generel—
I knew O'Connor. I saw him on Thursday 9th of August,
on London-bridge, about a quarter past 5. He seemed to
be undecided which way he should go, walking slowly and
sometimes stopping. He was going towards the city. I was
on the top of an omnibus going to CanaberwelL
Sophia Payne examined by Mr. Clarkron—l reside at No.
2, Minya-plans. I know Manning. I remember the
recur of O'Connor's murdtr. On the Monday evening
following at 6 o'clock I saw the male prisoner. -He reeked
me to permit him to go through my house to his, as his

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wile was out. I saw hies also on th•i Thundey meioses
about a quarter to 7 in the evening, siring on his garden
wall. He was sitting smoking a pip... I entered into con-
versation with him. He remained about a quarter of en
hour, when he jumped down, suirg he bad an appoint-
ment to meet that he had forgotten. He said he was going
to dress. He then went into the heti... I saw no more of
him again that evening. I went out myself shout halepast
seven, returning about eleven. I lett my husband at home.
By Sergeant Wilkins—When I saw him oe the wall it
was quite light. He sat with his lees ieetde his own wall.
He appeared sensual. They grew flue/ere, but I don't know
that they paid particular attention to them. If persons
were bustling about in the next house we could hear it if
we were quiet. We are lithograph :rioters, and.don't corn.
menu at press till 7 la the evening.
By Mr. Clarkson—l have children, but I keep them very
quiet.
Flynn examined by the Attorney.Oenrrsl—l am an
*facer of the customs. In cotsequence of O'Connor's ab-
sents I went on Sunday, 12th August, to Minver-place. I
went also on Monday accompanied by a policeman
in coloured clothes. I saw Mrs. Manning. I asked for Mr.
Manning; she said he was not in. I asked for Mrs.
Manning. Sbe said, "I em that person." I asked her if
she had beard anything of O'Connor. She said No, and
that it was very strange, as some friends of his had seen him
on the bridge on the evening of the 9th. She mentioned
the name of Mr. Heating. She said O'Connor was • fickle-
minded man, as he often came into her place, stopped a
minute or two, and then would suddenly jump up and leave.
She spoke of havirg been with him to Vauxhall once or
twice. She mentioned the name of a Mr. Walsh, residing
there. She then said, "Poor Mr. O'Connor, he was
the best friend I had in London." When she said
that, I fancied I saw her countenance change, and
become pale. I asked her if she was ill, cr if she felt the
room warm. She said No; but six weeks before she had
been ill, and was still angering from ie. I asked her if she
had been to Mr O'Connor's lodgings on the 9th. She said
"Yes." I thee asked her what time she left her own
plum. She drat said six o'clock p.m. I naked kit
dohs was certain of the time, bud she said it night be a
quarter put Fix o'clock. She said she met cue or two
:rite& on her way down. Iler last remark when I was
Laving was, " Yon geutlenn n are very susceptible."
By Se rjeant Wilkins-1 knew a here O'Connor kept his
each. In his cesh-box, which he kept in his trunk in his
bedroom. I went oa Monday, 13'h, to hie lodging. I met
Keating, Walsh, and the Aker there. We loreed open
O'Cocuor's trunk. We found the cash hex in the trunk,
but not locked. There were memoranda in it, beano money
or railway shares.
Anne Armes, examined by Mr. Clarke.—l reside at 21.
Greenwood street, Mile-end road. I have a sister who lives
wish me. P. O'Connor 'ousted shit me for nearly 6 years,
lie occupied two rooms on the first floor. I saw him on the
August, in the morning. I let him out at the the p door,
a. half-put 7in the mein-ng. The shoe-door is in the road,
the private door in Greenwood-street. She came often to are
Mr. O'Connor. bee generally came alone, but once with
Mr. Massey, aid once or twice with Mr Manning. On the
Thursday that I loamy Mr. O'Cunose I saw Mre.Manning.
et a quarter before 6in the venlng ,go up to Mr.
O'Connor's room. She remained until a quarter-put
seven. Nobody went into the room while she was there.
She left through the shop and purchased something from my
sister. On other occasions she used to go out
at the private door. I sow her the next day
(Friday) she came at a quarter before six o'clock. My
sitter lent he in. See wait up to Mr. O'Cunnot's room, and
remained more than an hour. I saw her leave the house. She
came into the shop and changed half a crown. Her manner
we- remarkable. She elm& and trtmbled, and put out her
h f. hand when the change was given.
By Mr. Clarke—l remember Mr. Flynn and the constable
breetting open the b xis on Monday. In the interval nu
one had been in the room but me and my Dieter. I recollect
Mrs. Manning coming to see O'Connor on the Friday before
Thursday, the :Vb. Mrs. Manning arid to O'C .anor, that
she wanted to purchase some 'hares in a railway. He
had got his cash box with paters in it, and he laid them on
tie table. Ido a-it know what the nepies were.
By Sergeant Wilkins Mr. O'Connor kept his keys
on has own person. Mrs. M.uning nude tea. Hu tee-caddy
key was on his butch. 1 saw the Manning's
there on the Sunday with Mr. Mi seey. All seemed
on Tray good terms. Nobody could pass up or
ilows stairs without my sister cr myself seeing them. When
Mrs. Mannirg held out the left hand fur the money she
seemed to hold a parcel in her right. The evening Mrs.
Meaning was with Mr. O'Connor the cash-box was on the
sa.-le. O'Connor's bud-room door wee always left open at
his request. I have °hen seen Mrs. Manning in his bed-
el out. I can't say how long it was before he was unsling I
saw Mrs. Manning there. It was some short time.
By Mr. Ballantine—When Mrs. Manning said she had
money to inseat, did she say how she came by it? No.—
Bid she say she had saved it in service? No.—
O'Connor seemed to know all about it? Yes.
O'Connor has lodged with me five yeers. Mrs.
Manning has visited him for a twelvemonth. She
ssnsetimes stepped three or four hours.—Did she ever stop
there threc or four dap ? No.—Were you ever paid for her
stopping? No. Some boxes were lett there about a year
erd Bleat months sine:, sicb the name oc ma on teem.
They were not allowed to go up stairs. I thick she came at
the same time.

Emily Armes, examined by Mr. Clarke.—l live with my
eider. I recolect the time Mr. O'Connor was missing.
Oa the Friday before I last saw him, Mrs. Manning Tilted
him at cur house. I hard a conversation. She said
sne wished to purchase some shares. O'C Lemr showed her
some shares. She directed Lim to purchase some; the name
I Lave forgotten. I saw her coma on Monday night; it
was a quarter to 6. I let her in, and she asked me war
Mr. O'Connor at home. I raid, no. She went up into Isis
r.u.m. I saw her on the next night. On the Thursday
night when she purchased a bimuit she seemed very pale.
I I t her in on the Friday night. She asked again if Mr.
O'Connor was at home. I said no. She again went up to
Lis room, end as she returned, she came into the shop. She
wa, very pale and shale, y. Her right hand was placed in
front of her person, and she paid the money wi•h her left.
By Serjeant Wilkins.—She was paler than usual on
Thursday night. She bought a penny cake. She
seemed distressed. She had a sh..wl or cape on.
\linen she came on Friday, why did you not say be had not
been at home all night ? I said he had not come home.
By Mr. Ballentiae.—She might have gene cut of the
private door. She has gone out sometimes by the private
door. Mr. O'Connor let her out. I have often let her out.
lam not a servant ; I live with my sister. I have sten
boxes come there with " Mrs. Rout" on them. 1 will swear

it was not x. Mrs. Manning came after. Men she came
she only remaint d two hours until O'Connor returned. She
did not go away that night. She had a bed on the second
floor t cat mine. Ste did not stop there another night.
O'Connor had inked if we could provide a bed fur his friend
and her husband, but she only came that night.
By the Attorney-Gererel —Look at that letter (producing
letter). That came to our house by a porter on the 1032
from the dock. 1 believe the inside to be Mrs. Manning's

writing.
By Mr. Ballantine.—l have; not heard that Mr. O'Connor
did not pay anything for Mrs. Mennicg's lodgings.
Wm. Massey examined by the Attorney-Generals—l am a
medical student. I resided with the hiannings about ten
weeks. They had no regular servant but a charwoman. I left
about the 28th July. I left because they appeared anxious for
me to do sa. They told me they were going oat of town,
and I lett. I have seen O'Connor there three or four times.
Manning bas talked to me about him. He said his wife had
been to the docks, and had Been O'Connor in a state of
intoxication, having taken large quantieies of brandy for
fear of the cholera. Manning added that O'Connor had
shown Mrs. Manning his wall, leaving her all his property.
Manning said O'Connor was a man worth 20,000 i.
Manning asked me on one occuion what might be given to
a man to produce stupefaction so as to make a man put his
pen to paper. He asked whether laudanum or chloroform
would do it. I made some careless answer to the effect
that I had heard of drugs being used for suck purposes.
He also, respecting O'Connor, proposed to have him at the
house. lie said to me, " You frighten him well about the
cholera, and make him take brandy as a specific." He also
asked me once what part of the head was most vital. I said
I believed it was wider the ears, where a slight injury
would he attended wish fatal result. He also asked
me where the brain was placed, and I pointed to
the put. He also asked me whether I had ever
seen an air gun fired, and whether it made any
report. I said I had heard of such a thing,
but never saw one discharged. Once, when talking of the
wax figure of Rush at Madame Tussaud's, he asked if I
thought murderers went to Heaven. I said not. I have
written one or two letters to O'Connor at the request of the
Manning..
By Se4eant Wilkins.—Being a medical student, such
topics as I mentioned were often the subject of conversation.
Mary Wells, examined by Mr. Clarkson.—l live with my
father, who is a builder. I know the male prisoner. I re-
member his coming to my father's house for some lime in
the latter end of July. He bought sixpenny-
worth. lie said he wanted it to kill slugs
in the garden. I asked him which he would have, white
or grey. He said he would have whichever burned the
quickest. We had no white, and he said he would have
the grey, and wrote his direction on a piece of paper. I
gays that direction to the witness Walsh.
By Mr. SerjeankWilkins.—Our house is about five minutes'
walk from Minver-place. Our servant was in the house.
The lime was sent home about two days after.
Richard Walsh examined by Mr. Clarkson
.—I am
in
the service of Mr. Wells. I carried some lime to
place on on the 28th of July last. I saw the prisoner Manning
order it. When I took it to liinver-place I saw Mr. Man-
ning. There was a bushel. He showed me where to put it
down in the kitchen. I put it into a basket. Mr.
Mantling said that if I called the next day
I he would see about a couple of halfpence. I did call,
and Mrs. Manning gave me three halfpence.
By Sergeant Wilkins.—l saw Manning older the lime, and
saw him writs the direction. I could not read.,.l heard
him give the direction.
l William Denby examined by Mr. Bodkin.—l am a porter
in the employment of Hr. ;Erna, ironmonger. I remem-