The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-24 00:00:00

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would be a little depreciated, whilst thole of the naticssef •
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the North would be a little appreciated. Re would weeks,
support the amendment.
all restrictions upon these. here awnsyetem of proteenni +
had been fora long time acted on, he did not ewniderii 5
free trade merely to remove that protection, unlns they el.. 4
removed the burdens which were imminent, and insposen,L 41
in oonsequence of that protection. (Hear.) 1 •
81r F. BARING said that if the amendment n,„,e„,_,
caused British subject from employingsarn.forttss4.
foreign
foreign
notfo all, Manse this was tre and
onlymen (ti
clause to prevent ths
ships in the coasting trade from being manned entirely le
foreign seamen ; now, if this clause was abrogated 144
amendment carried, the result would be that a natural*
foreigner might employ a foreign ship, a foreign mann leg
foreign seamen. (Rear, hear.) If that was them esk
they would support the imendment. obj

Mr. GLAH§TONE apprehended that a naturekosi
foreigner might have a manufactory with foreign Irma..
might employ a foreign superintendent, work up for-OT:
materials and export every portion of these msterioir,
foreign countries. (Hear, hear.) Was the right bon. mg,
man sorry for that? (Hear.) Did he think it a
mit
evil? or did he believe that such a person contributed%
the wealth and greatness of England? (gear, aw.)
' But why suppose that the naturalised foreigner would ogi.
ploy foreign masten and foreign seamen? (Hem tem.)
If he did employ them it must be bemuse there wee ettoo
great inducement for his doing so. (Hear, hear.) Ho be.
lieved that the danger was chimerical. If so, %lure wis
use in retaining the clause, but if it was not ehUnerica p
l, the
he thought that as they deprived the shipowner of
country of protection, and sutijected him to melititut
with all the world, they were enliged not only by the poi,
espies of free trade but of justice to relieve hitt, freer opl
restraints. (Hear, hear.)
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL mid, that bovern No,
elusive the arguments in favour of the amendmont mighty,
they could not pass it unless the chows to become 'hele*
sag stock of all the countries of Europe. They I 11.1 dm&
provided by the 11th, 12th, and 13th sections, that aeerile
trade shoald be Carried on in British ships only ; .w it 010
proposed that it mightbe carried on by foreign shils, massy
by foreign sailors, and belonging to a foreigner, slio Rigid
get himself naturalised for 10s. 6d., for the purzt
carrying on this very trade. (Hear.) The soar
therefore, if earned would defeat the wkole of th, i, prooku
provision., and they consequently would be obliged to it.
verse what they had previously done. (Hear.)
Mr. W. BROWN was understood testy that the superior
management of the American vessels was owing to the Gss.
dom which the shipowaen of that country enjoyed of gotta,
seamen from any quarter of the world. As the shipasoo;
of this country were now to be subjected to severe coareti.
thou he was disposed to remove every obstacle from no;
and give them every facility to navigate their we*
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the committee, by adoptiliqo
amendment, would, for the sake of affirming ea steno
principle, produce a great practical evil. He beliensing
of the most perfect freedom were allowed British Onionskin
would scarcely in any case employ others than Briisk
ry
men. (Hear, hear.) Every country possessing anytkor
like a considerable mercantile nary insisted on same
its sawn seamen being employed in their ova seip„
(Hear, hear.) Then the Registration Act would or
tirely fail to inform them of the number of au
in the mercantile marine if this amendmeLt pmasl
He believed that the passing of the amendment would coo
great alarm and panic among British seamen genotally,
afford no real relief to the mercantile navy.

Mr. Alderman THOMPSON said that though os pry
ple he should support the clause, he did not espets tin
much practical benefit would result from it. lithe Batik
register were hampered by a numbn of inconvenient rog y.
dons, tew would avail themselves of it. Practically, sig
pawing of the amendment would put an end to the lyteß
of registering, except with regard to the coastal pads.
Even if British shipowners were compelled to muster, t
would be easy to find a foreign clerk who would anus
nominal ownership, and thus evade the law.

In reply to a question from Mr. WAWN wi h real
to the payment of seamen in the cue of vessels beiod lost,
Mr. LABOUC MERE said he thought it would helseaaw
vent to discuss the question then, but after the bill hid bust
passed the attention of the government would be gires
to all subjects connected with the mercantile marine.

Mr. F. SCOTT observed that although the goverment
contended so strongly against any alteration of the lei
clause, by the 18th clause they would obtain the porta
counteracting its operation.
Mr. LABOUCHBRE said the 18th clause was keened
merely to provide for tke emergencies of war, power keg
reserved to attract sailors to the service of the crows.

Mr. MITCHELL could not agree with the hon. alder-
man with regard to the probable effect of the clause en n.
gistration. During the Schleswig•Holstrin war very rest
value was attached to the British mister. Notai+hvaudisB
an that had been said about tho efficiency and the low wags
of the Baltic sailors, he trusted that no sailors would be to
much in demand as our own. The American crews ram
as was well known, composed in a great degree nt Bridal
seamen. He should vote for the amendment solely for the
purpose of testing the alleged grievance. (Hear.) Ode den
of opening the navy to foreign seamen would be ths Rubin
and Sereslish shipowners would be compelled to raise the
wages of the men whom they employed.
Viscount PALMERSTON said there was one poet
which had not yet been adverted to—namely, the urea en.
harassment in which the amendment might place this tour
try in case of war. If two foreign nations were at war tis
proposal under discussion would afford to the marching etc
eels of one of the belligerents great facilities for assumisg
fraudulently the character of British property. L•tthe
house consider the difficulties which would arise when de
protection of British ownership was claimed by one of the
belligerents and disputed by the other. (Hear, hear.) That
was a risk which he thought the house would hardly be
willing to incur.
Mr. BOUVERIE believed that that difficulty ma
equally arias under the bill as proposed by the g ,y,•rnmeit,
since any foreign captain might now be natur.dised at is
expense of ten shillings. (Hear, hear.)

Sir G. GREY said his hon. friend was mistaken on that
point. As a condition of naturalisation, the secretary of rt►ts
was bound to require a certificate of put resideoce ud m
'minims of the intention of future residence.

Lord PALMERSTON observed that if it would be easy
for a foreign shipowner to evade the intention of the law IS
the manner stated, a British one might with eqtdd facility
escape all difficulty by a similar process.
The Marquis of ORANBY believed that whither the
effect were to introduce foreign seamen or sot, the condition
of English seamen would be lowered. In the words of Mr.
Richmond, every British vessel would be reduced to the on.
dition of a pinchgut ship. (Hear, hear.)

_ .
The committe then divided—
For Mr. Hastie's amendment 53
Against it 197-144
The amendment was consequently lost.
The CHAIRMAN said that certain alterations made is
former parts of the bill rendered necessary the omissions(
the following words in climes 17—that the whole of the
crew should be British seamen, if the ship wee not of 100
tons or upwards, arriving from or departing for parts Ulm(
the seas.

Mr. A. HASTIE moved the ominnion of the follow*
proviso from clause 17—" Provided always that every ehilf
(except ships required to be wh;lly navigated by British
seamen), which shall be navigated by oac British mans far
every 20 tons of the burden of such ships shall be derranits
be duly navigated, although the number of other less*
may exceed one-fourth of the whole crew."

Mr. LABOUCHERE observed that t►is clause wu tut
compulsory. It did not render it incumbent that them
should be a British seaman for every 20 tons ; and therefore
he hoped the haute would not consider it necessary to pm'
teed to a division.
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Mr. BRIGHT was of opinion that the right boo. gentle
man was mistaken. The first part of the dilute provided
that every British registered ship should have three.rourite
of her crew British sailors. The effect of the provito was le
create an impression amongst tailors that there muet be dee
men to every 100 tons—that whilst the American &p
came to Liverpool with 3 or 3i men to every lin
tons, English ships must have five men to eve/
100 tons. There was no use in making Out
a permissive clause ; if not rendered compulsory it would be
of no value. The right bon. gentleman seemed tt be fei*
lowing the precedent of the old acts, which were very rig'
dicial; but he certainly ought to expunge this pert of the
clause, because there was no earthly use in retaining itt, per
ticularly as many shipowners contended that It wool
operate very injuriously to them in entering into arrange'
menu with sailors. (Haar.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE promised to reconsider eh, provio
on an early day, and to withdraw it if he should it to be
mars surplusage.
The amendment was then withdrawn.

Clauses 16, 17, and 18, having been agreed to,
Mr. DISRAELI rose to move that the chairmen report
progrers, and ask leave to sit again. Before the chasm's,
however, put the question, he wished to say a few words
There had events taken place that evening which called fx
some commentary before the house separated. (Hear,
hear.) When he cams down to the house that evening, het
in common, he believed, with all present, had fully
that at an early period of that evening one of the m^tt emi-
nent 'members of the house would do the house and tie
country the service of developing his views upon the big*
Important principle of reciprocity. This expectation wallet
mere matter of surmise or supposition. The right home,'
Heenan to whom it referred, had, on several occasinir,
tinetly given the house to understand that, when this
reached its present point, he would give the deselopmeat
which had accordingly been anticipated from him. (Hen)
hear.) No sooner, however, bad the committee proceeded
to its work, than another hon. gentleman, not lets emnitnte
got up to propound another principle. Thereupon the net
hon. President of the Board of Trade proceeded to tit°°"b
the house by the statement that he wu prepare,' for the
sacrillee—that he had resolved with his colleagues to strike
out no fewer than fourteen clauses of the bill, coorrehendiftli
that very principle of the new measure which constituted its
distinction from the meuurs of last year. (Hear, hear.) T"
hones had not recolered from the amazement, when my
fusion became worse confounded, at the announeemellt
rem the right hon. member for the University of