The Express.
London, England, 1848-03-04 00:00:00

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IRIAL PARLIAMENT.

MO OF LORDEL—FRIDAT, MARCH 3.
The Loan Crustroation took kis seat at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC WealdESA
THIRD te.ADlSO.—Ccaeolidated R
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IRISH POOWS.
Berl FITZWILLIAM had given notice of a motion for
eopies of reports made to the Poor-law Commissioners b
the vice-guardians of the several salons in Ireland in which
the boards had been superseded by paid °nicer', but he
would defer it it the noble lord oppoete (Lord Lyttelton)
intended to bring on a motion of which he had given notice.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, the papers would
be laid on the table in a few days, and, therefore, he thought
he might save his noble friend the necessity of moving fir
them.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM wished to state a fact is moving
for the papers, of which he had given notice, and would still
take the opportunity of doing eu—namely, that the poor in
Ireland were meintairod on the miserable pittance of Sid.
a week, and he wished it to be understood that it was a great
mistake to suppose that the present poor law in Ireland
would either be effectual there, or would relieve this countey
of the index of Irish paupers, as the fuel now paid for their
subsistence could not maintain life, although it might pro-
tract existence. Ile would, however, withdraw his motion,
after the statement of the noble marquee (Hear, hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON suggested that it would be
desirable to add to th - return, it the information could be
obtained, the periodical prime of food in Irelan
Lassnowtra,
d.
After a few words from the Marquis ef
which were not heard in the Artillery, the su!ject dropped.
EDUCATION.
Lori LYTTELTON, in presenting the petition from
Worcester on the management clauses required to he in-
serted in the trust deeds of schools receiving parliamentary
grants, Ti ad the document at length, but in a manner and
tone of voice which rendered it impossible to understand
the nature of it. lie did not wish interfere withect the
coarse which the government had pursued on the suhj of
education, but he wished to know whether they intended'
to make the management clauses, to which the petition re-
ferred, eoinpulsory or not? If they did, he though[ it de-
sirable that their operation eh-cold be pietooued for two
years, in order that all parties might have due notice of
them.
The' Bishop of WORCESTER complained of the
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manner in which the petition had been got up, no
not baying been given to all the members of the Worcester
diocesan board of education. It was a part and parcel of an
agitation which had been most needlessly raised on the *ob-
ject, for anything more entirely harmless than these clause*
he could not conceive. Nothing was more reasonable than
that laymen who contributed towards these grants .hould
have a share in their management. The church would
never be in danger so long a* she commanded the sympa-
thies and affections of the great MIAS of the people. (Hear,
hear.)
Lord LYTTELTON :said the pc titian was agreed on
at a regular meeting of the board, and the observations
of right rev. prelate would not &Met the substantial merits
of the clause* in question.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said. if the public
money was to be granted witheut the manner of its appro-
priation being secured by a deed, the si•heols would fail in
their great object. It war only of late that anything
had been beard about the exclusion of the laity
from a share in the management. (Hear, hear.)
The aid given to the National Society bail been upon the
understanding th..t the clauses complained of were to be the
terms of union, asset that there were to be no other. The lets
Archbishop of Canterbury admitted the propriety of the-e
elauses, after an amendment which the committee had pro-
posed, to the effect that clergymen were to have the excel
live intern recce "with the moral and religious instruction
of the children." It was said that these clauses had pre-
vented the increase of schools; he c uhf only say, however,
that the number of applications from the clergy themselves
was very great, and that they were coustant y increasing.
If any question arose upon a religious subject
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to clehe said,
rgyman
decided without reference to the laity. Was
then, that this was not enough fur the clergyman
to claithem,
and that the layman was vs be deprived power in
management which he wasjustly entitled to ? (Hear, bear.)
He considered this was a grievance without a foundation;
but when the next grant was made, the matter should again
be taken into consideration. He could not, however, admit
the principle of the clergy having the power of overruling
the opinions of the lay roanagere. (Hear, hear.)
h
Te Bi-h• p of CH ,h was no wish on
the part of the clergy to exc.ude said
the laityere from co-operating
in the management.
The Earl of ILCHESTER said a few words which were
quite inaudible, in any connected form, in the gallery.
The Bishop of OXFORD regretted that this discussion
should have taken place, considering it altogether untimely.
As it had been introduced, however, he begged to add his
assurance that there was deep and wide-spread jealousy,
alike among the laity and among the clergy of the estab-
lished church, en the subject of these schools. It was felt,
and. felt as a great injustice, that while dissenting school*
were allowed to be conducted on dissenting principles, church
schools were only allowed to be conducted on principles ball
church and hat diesentieg.
The Bishop of ST. DAVID'S considered that the alarm
and jealousy to which his right rev. brother had refereed
were not altogether without foundation. There was reason
to apprehend that sufficient power was not given to the
church schools to conduct their education on church princi-
ples, yet be did not believe that the alarm was so general or
so vivid as was, imagined by his right reverend friend.
The Earl of DELA.% ARR was anxious to inquire
whether a printed report of an interview between the noble
Marquis and some members of the dissenting body was cor-
rectly reported
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, from his seat, said he
would reply presently.
Lord•STANLEY thought it would have been more con-
venient had the noble lord replied at once. The principle
involved in this dieetnalon appeared to him to be a most ma-
terial eine. The question substantially was, if any govern-
ment should b • entitled to alter, at its pleasure, the system
on which church schools were to be governed. It was
stated that there Wu nothing novel in the conditions now
imposed: But how had it ever been laid down before that
with the clergyman Ofthe parish and proprietor of the estate
there should be &Doodah d a body of enuel farmers or any
ethers who were subscribers to the schools ? How had it ever
before been declared that without compliance with such a
condition no grunt should be made for a school front public
funds?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, it was from no
reluctance that he had not risen before, but merely to sieve
their lordships the trouble of hearing two speeches. He
argued that there was no necessity for any alarm whatever
at the regulations of the Educational Committee ; and he
denied that there was any novelty its their principle. With
to the report to which the noble earl opposite had
regardn
d, the report war in substance cerrect
After a few words from LIM LYTTISLTON is reply, the
petition was ordered to lie on the table, and the house ad-
journed at twenty-five minutes to eight.

ROUSE OF GOMMONS.—FRIDAY, MARCH 3.
The Brasilia took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PUBLIC beslNS:ii.
FIRST BESDLNG.—Dfstic relatione (Court of Rome) Bill.
SECOND READING.—e• of stone (helmet) hill. Aar
00iDdirTEL—Joeit sled' Companies Bill.
BEWDLEY ELECTION PETITION.
The following members were sworn in as the committee
is the Beadle, election twirl Coodlereach, Sir T.
Birch, Mr. Hutt, Mr. W. T. Egerton, and Mr. W. B.
Wrightson (chairman).
CHURCH OF ENGLAND SCHOOLS.
Mr. W. MILES postponed, until after Easter, his motion
ea the subject of schools in connexion with the church of
England, of which he bad given notice.
ROMAN CATHOLICS.
Mr. ANSTEY, in answer to a question put by Lord
Arundel, said that on Wednesday next he should proceed in
his turn with the bill for the removal of Roman catholic
penalties, in preference to hie motion on the treaty of Adri-
mop's.
HARBOURS OF REFUGE.
The CHANCEL,LORof the EXCHEQUERsaid,in reply
to a question, that the government if:vette, d to propose in
-, the miscelleneous estimates, a sum of money for the continu-
ation of the annual grant made for the purpose of construct-
ing harbour' or refuge.
DUTY ON COPPER AND COPPER ORES.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECIU ER, in reply to
a question, said that the du, on copper tree would not be
entirely repealed, hut that the duties levied on copper ore
and on raw coprSIRE wouIdARDLEY he reduced to a low degree.
Mr. LABOUC H ERE, in answer to a question from Lord
MAHON, sta-ed that the government bad disapproved of the
displacement of the six members of the legislatiee council
by Sir Smedley Wilmot, the late governor M Van Diemen's
Lend, and had desired Sir W. Dennison, the present governor,
to reinstate them in their former functions, but that some
difficulties had oci.urred to prevent this. A dispatch had
arrived stating that, in consequence of this irregularity, the
governor►had suspended the legislative cout.cd and he
trusted that, from the arranaements that had been made, no
inconvenience to the public business would result.
BAIL IN CRIMINAL CASES (IRELANDi.
Mr. FOX wished to Lnow whether it was the intention of
government to bring in a bill extending the power of Irish
magistrates to take bail in criminal caste?
Sir G. GREY was not prepared to state that any online
Lion in the law WO rentemplau-d.
PAID GUARDIANS (IRELAND).
Mr. A. STAFFORD begged
too repeat his question of a
former evening, respecting the sasher of uniocs in Ireland
in which paid guardians bad been appointed ?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE did not know whether his hew
friend had *Nu the return which had been laid on the table
of the HOLM of L ids ou the subject. In that statement it
appeared that twenty-four unions had been dissolved, to
which be hod to add three recent cases—Ennistymon, Gort,
and another wo did not catch the name ef.
WEST INDIAN COMMITTEE.
Mr. HUME (seeing the noble lord the member for Lynn
in his place), wished to ode him whether it was intended to
print the evidence taken before the West Indian committee,
end, if so, whether it was intended to priut it without cur-
tailment?
Lord 0. BENTINCH was understood to say that a por-
tion of the evidence had deco expengtd by order of the

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WAYS AND MEANS.—INCOME TAX.
The CHANCELLOR of tee EXCIiEQU ER moved that
Ike miler of the day f r a committee of ways and means be
road.
HORSMAN rose, pursuant to notice, to move " That
if the income tax be continued it is expedient to amend the
mt, and not to impose the same charge on income. uioing
ikons prohseicesal and Femmes seeress
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