The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-20 00:00:00

weeding of the act which he proposed to remove in the coin
mittee on the Sugar Datiea Bal. lie presumed there would
be no objection to that, omit would have the effect of lower-
ing the duty. As to the refining question, he bad stated
last Saturday what was the present sate of the law, and
that it was intended to admit Dutch refined sugar because,
under the treaty with them by which they were parented
the privileges of the 11109 f favoured nations, we could not ex
elude it. But there was a difference of duty still enforced f
under
the act of 154.5. It was inconvenient that questions othis
kind should beut without noticeit could hardly be
expected that at the spur of the moment, end when be had
not the means of information at hand, he should be able to
give a satisfactory answer. (Hear.)
Lord G. BENTINCK wouldlike to know when the
treaty with Holland was signed, for on the 30th of /day last
the noble lord (Lind J. Russell)
intimated that be had no
intention of altering the act of 1846 :sad up to the 10th.ol
July, the act of 1546 remained unaltered, and the pstecrip-
tion to sugar refined in Holland existed—("'o, irom the
ministerial benches)—and would have continued had that
act remained in force.
The CHANCELORf the EXCIIEQUER—The :relay
Riving to the DutchL all Moe
privileges of the most favoured
nations was signed in 1837, and When the act of 1846 passed
they claimed under that act and their treaty that the sugar of
their colonies, refined in Holland, should be admitted, which
claim her Majesty's government found they could not, zon-
sistently with the terms of the treaty, refuel: The claim was
Made in the autumn of 1846, end believing it to be well
founds t it was intimated to the Dutch government and to
the refiners here that it would be allowed.
Lord, G. BENTINCK—The words of te act are, "
con-
nd
be it enacted that nn sugar shall be admishsible for home
sumption at the said lower rates of duty as being the growth
and produce of any foreign country, unless the master of the
ship importing the same or the cons.gner *hall prove to the
satisfaction of the officers of the customs of the port of
portation—if required—that such sugar is bond f
ch t was
iide the
growth at d produce of the foreign country from whi
elgirt„ed. as " erfectl y
WILSON—The noble lord w p correct in
his reading and construction of the act. It was the inten-
tion—and it was so understood by the refiners, of whom
he hail seen a deputation that morning—of the act of
1846 to admit foreign refined sugar grown in the country
from whence imported, and to exclude foreign sugar
refined in r
othe countrithan that in whieh it had been
grown. Under that act refined beet-root sugar had been
imported ;min Belgium. But the Dutch government came
with their treaty containing the most favoured nation clause,
and under that treaty, irrespective of the act of 1846
claimed that the sager from the colonies being Dutch sugar,
and refined in Holland, should be admitted, and that claim
was allowed. Foreign sugar, the produce of other coun-
tries, if refined in Belgium, would be inadmissible, but the
sugar refined in Rolland was in reality Dutch sugar, and
could not under the treaty be refused.
Mr ANSTEY admitted that under the treaty with Hol-
land we could not refu their sugar, if grown and refined
in that country ; but wse e were not bound to admit sugar
grown in Java and only refined in odd.
The subject then dropped, it being understood that some
further explanation as to the intention of ministers in
regard to the resolutions would be gie.n after the disposal
of the orders of the day.
SALE OF BREAD.
Mr. BANKES basing withdrawn his bill, gave notice
that on the let of August he would move for a select com-
mittee on this subject, but in answer to Sir B. Hall, he
added that if he could not bring on the motion on that day,
he would postpone it to another session. lie did not propose
to proceed with any Mil on the subject during the present
session.
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION TO NE iVSPAPERS.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY drew the attention of the house
to an article in the &atomise weekly newspaper of the Bth,
of July, commenting at some length on the monthly returns
of the Board of Trade, and contasniog information as to the
contents of those returns which other parties were unabl
to obtain for some time afterwards. Members had only re-
ceived shoes returns between the Bth and 10th, and not on
the 7th as had been stated elsewhere. lie wished to ask
whether there was any regulation at the Board of Trade by
which the public might obtain the information collected by
that department fairly and impartially I
Mr. LABOUCHEKE explained that a list of parties de-
sirous of being furnished with the monthly returns had,
during the presidency of Lord Dalhousie, been made out
without reference to party, or any other consideration than
the wish of the persons themselves ; and to these
he pres they
ent
used
to be regularly sent. But at the beginning of t
session Lord Stanley, in the other house, and Lord G. Sen-
tinel in that, suggested that the information should be laid
month by month before parliament and printed. The neces-
sity for the list, therefore, ceased, and it should now be
printed and circulated like all other parlis
mentme fnortar the y informular
a-
tion. He hoped to make an arrange reg
printing and delivery of these returns eut of session as well
as when parliament was sitting, and in a way that would
remove all doubt of the desire of the Board of Trade
to the
to act
with the most entire impartiality to the public
press in regard to such information.
Sr G. CLERK remarked that when, in consequence of
sonic charges of partiality, directions were given that the
editors of all the London public journals should be furnished
with copies of these monthly returns on the
o dayf
they we
re
re
printed, on application, though one or two
papers applied at first, it was soon found they o
culd net afford
apace for them, and the application was not renewed. Ile
believed nu one who wished for these returns found the least
difficulty in obtaining them.
REMISSION OF CORN DUTIES.
Lord G. BENTINCK asked if the noble lord could now
answer the question as to what had been the amount of corn
duties remitted, and whether there was any objection to
produce the legal authority under which such remission took
place ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that
the mem` er foe Newark had given notice to move for the
production of the authority, to which there would be no ob-
jection.
THE BUDGET.
Mr. HUDSON asked when the revised estimates for the
year would be laid on the table ?
Lord J. RUSSELL had given notice to move for a com-
mittee of supply for Friday next ; but of course he could not
prevent members interps sing motions to delay the govern-
ment business. But immediately the house consented to go
into committee of supply he proposed to bring forward the
estimates, taking the army estimates first.
Mr. HUDSON.—You do not mean mere votes on account?
Lord J. RUSSELL.—No.
Lord G. BENTINCK.—But when shall we have the real
budget—(a laugh)— the account of the actual expenditure
and income for the year ?
Lord J. RUSSELL.—If the noble lord alludes to the
reduction in the estimates consequent on the reports of the
committees on them, as soon as we know what those reduc-
tions are they shall be stated to e hou. As to the army
estimates, which we propose to take take fi serst, I do not think
there will be any alteration in them.
Mr. GOULBURN wished to know when the Chancellor
of the Exchequer would state the comparative into u.e and
expenditure of the year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not
at present say what extent of reduction in the expenditure
the house might insist upon ; therefore he was not in a posi-
tion to submit such a comparative account.
Lord G. BENTINCIi.—W.iat I want to know is when
we shall have the Chancellor of the Exchequer's statement
of the receipts from the different sources of revenue, coupled
with the balance-sheet of income an, expenditure. We have
as yet had no statement of the estimated produce of the year.
Lord J. RUSSELL.—When the house shall have ,gone
through and voted the various estimates—the army, navy,
ordnance, and miscellaneous—mid decided what the expen-
diture *lntl be, us shall be able to compare theexpendituresore
with with the revenue the year, and my right hone. fried
then snake his statement.
Mr. HUDSON.—When the Chancellor of the Exchequer
brings forward his final budget, I hope he will recapitulate
and compare it with his three former budgets. (A. laugh.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—I will do
everything I can to please the hon. gentleman. (Laughter )
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL.
Mr. ANSTEY moved that the order for the Emend read-
ing of this bill be read, in order to its being discharged, inti-
mating that he was only deterred from pressing asure
by the lateness of e.e session, and that he would reinter,
duce it next year.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that a general
bill on ' he Bull• ct of charitable trusts would be brought for-
ward by government next year.
The motion was agreed to, and the order was read and

discharged.
ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIEF' BILL.
The order for the committee on this bill having been
read, Mr ooulhorn, Sir It. Inglis, Mr. Spooner, Sir 0.
Grey, and several other rupporters, as well as opponents of
the measure urged upon Mr. Ansley to withdraw it, as it
was impossi oould pass this session, and to go into
c mmittee would be only to occupy the time of the house
uselessly.
Mr. ANSTEY, however, persisted in going on with the
bill, and charged the government, especially the noble lord
at the head of it, with having been the cause of the delay.
Me said th-t tne 'hies were paltering in a double sense with
the Roman catholics, the non-conforminstists,
the and these
as rs
generally, and were playng off one aga other it
suited their purpose.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL made &lengthened appeal
to the bon. gentleman (Mr. Anstev) to withdraw the bill at
thn late peri of the session particularly u
(all it contained
ofi substance hod ad been introduced by him the Attorney-
General) in the form of an amendment—(a laugh)—aud as
the hon. gentleman had brought it forward in order to bring
forward himself in that house.
Mr. LAW said that as hon. gentlemen opposite seemed to
think, and as hon. e, ntlemen on his (Mr. Law's) side of the
howe knew it to be iuspossible that this bill could pa.s, he
should stove that it be committed that day three months.
The question having been put,
Mr. ANSTEY said that the amendment to which the
Attorney-General Mery d bad been drawn UP by him (Mr.
Anstey), and moved by the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Ile was surpthed to bear the right hon. gentleman speak in
such disparaging terms of a measure he had so strongly sup-
ported. As for the personal insinuction, he could only say
that he was not surprised that a government who had been
unable to pus any of their own measures,should regard with
jealousy the efforts, earlier begun, and more perieveringly
continued, of independent members ; and that those members
should he first thwarted, and then defeated, not by a fair op-
position, bat by the treacherous support of the present ad-
ministration.
After an ezplanation from the Arroast HY GENERAL ;
defence by Mr. URASUH LILT of the conduct of the bon. mem-
ber for Kinsale in reference to this measure ; and a recom-
inundation to withdraw it from Mr. S. CRAWFORD and Mr.
P. Bowaan,
The house divided—For tbe motion
For the amendment b7-47
The bill was therefore lost for the session.

PARLIAMENTARY ELECTORS
On then der of the day for bringing up the report on this
Lord GALWAY movedthat it be received that day three
months.
r the bill, and instanced several
,
cases where numerous B. HALL defended
persons entitled to vote bad been Si
struck off the register for the non-payment of assessed taxes.
After a few words from Mr. FRSWIN and Mr. NZWDre
OATS, in opposition to the bill.
Sir D. L. EVANS also defended it, not Woesc on the
ground of the non-payment of the assessed as of the
rates.
The house divided—FoAgainsr the report ............ 62-4
66
t it
Mr. FAEWEN suggested that the bill ought not to be
brought into operation during the present year, as it would
lead to considerable confusion in the courts of the revising
banisters, for which the notices under the old law had been
given for the approaching annual registration of voters. Ile
should, therefore, now move that in the first clause the words
" Ist of January, 1842," be substituted for " from the pass-
ing of this act."
Sir G. L. EVANS had ne objection to the amendment,
which was then put and agreed to, and the bill ordered to
• be read • third time to-morrow (this dayl.
SALE OF BREAD BILL.
On the motion of Mr. SPOOKILtt the order of the day for
i the second reading of the Sale of Bread Ball was read and

discharged.
SALE OF BEER BILL.
Mr. T. EGERTON moved that the Sale of Beer Bill be
now read a second time.
Capt. PECHELL objected to the second reading until time
had been afforded to take the opinion of thee: whom its pro-
visions concerned upon it. The bill had only just come down
from the other house of parliament, and the public scarcely
knew anything of its provolone.
Mr. W. PATTEN said that he bad undertaken the charge
of this bill, and he most deny that by its enactments the
public were taken by surprise. On the contrary, be had re-
ceived letters from all parts of the country (and amongst
them, be believed, one from the constituents of the bon. and
gallant member for Brighton) approving of the measure,
which sought to establish generally throughout the country
the system of closing the public houses and beer-shops from
twelve o'clock on Saturda niht until twelve o' on
Sunday. He could further state* hat the great bodyclock of the
licensed victuallers were in favour of the measure, which, as
he had already stated, sought to make general a system
which had already been found to operate beneficially in the
metropolis, at Manchester, Liverpool, and other places where
it had been adopted under their local acts. The beneficial
effects of the system at Liverpool were proved by Mr. Rush-
ton, the stiroidiary magistrate and the metropolitan police
magistrates contorted as to the reduction in the numbers
charged before them with drunkenness on the Mondays.
Under these circumstances he hoped the house would con-
sent now to tbe second reading of the bill, and he would post-
pone the committee so as to enable all hon. member' to con-
sult, if they so thought fit, their constituents upon it.
Mr. W. JACKSON supported the bill, and bore testimony
to the beneficial effects of the system of closing the public-
, houses which had been adopted at Liverpool and Birkenhead
on the other side of the Mersey. In consequence of the re-
gulations so enforced, the neighbouring districts where the
had not been adopted became the scenes of riot and
Zs:Tonnes.. and hence the npo:enamity of this measure, so as
to
make the law gener in all rts the ry.
The ATTORNETGENERALaI of
suggestedcount that as the
boars was now only called upon to affirm the principle of the
MU the debate on its details might well be reserved for the
esseasion of going into committee on the bill
corroboyated the
Mr. HEALD supported the bill, and
statement of the hon. member opposite (Mr. Jackson), of its
necessity in order to relieve runt districts from the evils
which resulted from their becoming on the Sabbath the ren-
dezvous of the drunken, the idle, and the dissolute.
Mr. J. B. SMITH and Mr. Ilzsantate also strenuously sup.
ported the bill.
Mr. THORNELT expressed his concurrence In the
opinions expressed as to the beneficial eff
cects
on of clSosing
day
the
public-houses and beer-shops
at 2 o'clok atur
nights, but remarked that this bill provided tha
subjected to the
visits of the police. To this espionage he und to
object.
After a few words from Mr. T. EGERTON in support of
the bill,
Sir B. HALL observed, in allusion to the objection raised
by the hon. member for Wolverhampton (Mr. Thornely),
that the evidence taken before the committee of the House
of Lords, and given by Superintendents Hughes and Beres-
ford, two most active officers of the metropolitan police,
showed that the low coffee-ehops in the metropolis became
the receptaclis of the lowest prostitutes and thieves from the
moment the public-houses closed on Saturday nights ; and
that spirits were sold there with impunity, because the police
had not at present the authority to enter these coffeezhops.
This evil ought to be remedied ; and he trusted, therefore,
that this bill would be allowed to pass without any unneces-
sary delay. (Hear, hear.)
After a few words in support of the bill from Lord GAL-
weir, Mr. WILD, ordered Benzeruno, the bill was read
a second time, and to be committed on Friday next.
The house adjourned at a quarter •.c. 4 o'clock until
--now (this day).

DUBLIN ELECTION COMMITTEE, YERTEADAT.—
Several votes were objected to on the ground of non-payment
of grand jury cer, but the petitioners did not succeed in strik-
ing any off the
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