The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-06 00:00:00

1=1'1:ILL PARLLIMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY, JULY S.
ma Srz•zza took the chair at 12 o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
REPORTS CONSTDY.RELL—RairIin's (or Bishop Hull's Curzcy)
Estate ; %%newsier Turnpike Trusts; Rills,
THIRD REA DlNO.—West of England and South Wales Land
Drainage Company Incorporation Bill.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
rErmoN S.—ByM r.BROTII ER I ON, from a poor man named Spry,
who had a demand against a member of the House of tkironsons, but
which he could not obtain perinea, of in e iisspacnec of timbal. mem-
ber having no effect. to seise, and praying thd the meas.:ft now be-
fore the house. in reference to till. SUWON., might be carried speedily
Into a law.—Mr. ROUVERIF:, from Kilmarnock. against the Spirit
(dealers in) Bill.—Sir F. T. B tRING, :nun Purtamouth,,tor an eaten.
sion of the suffrar.—sir G. STRICKLAND, from Preston, fore large
extension of secular educatiork—Mr. 8.% NKES, from Sherborne,
against the practice °feeling bread under *eight.
SECOND READlNGS.—Parhamettary Proceedings, Adjournment ;
ECCICS.3,tiCIii Die:rico Aceigamiut ; Juvenile Olen wra Jrcland, ; .
Bills.
COMMITTEE—PIaces of Worship Sites (Sc:Aland) BilL
NOTICE OF 3101 ION.—Tex CROLIMA.--Mr. ItONSELL. to-mor-
row (this day), to ask the noble Chief Crimmiogoler of Wcods and
Forests whether he bed hoard of the breaking cut of the cholera at
Moscow and St. Petersburg. and whether he bad taken any measures
for the promotion of the public health in Ireland.
LEAVE OF ABSENCE.
On the motion of Mr. Bovvanze,lciva of absence was
given to Mr. PASCOE Oda:SPELL tor six weeks, on account of
urgent private Mildness.
CRIMINAL LAW IN JERSEY.
Mr. EWART asked, in reference to a recent sentence of
transportation in Jersey, whether the right hon. baronet
near him considered, in contradiction to the opinion preyn
lent in the Channel lalarde, that such a sentence could be
lettallp inti,cted there ?
Sir G. GREY said he was not aware of any case of the
sort more recent than last year, hut from the inquiries then
made into the subject he was of opinion that the sentence of
transportation might legally be inflicted in the Channel
Islands.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS BILL.
Oa reeving that this bid be read a second time,
Mr. GREEIsiE stated the object of it, which was to enable
the managers of Nes that in tither house had, at the period
of the prorogation of parliament, male made part progress
through the house, to resume them in the ensuing session, at
the point to which they had previously attained. lie men-
tioned in illustration of his views, that in one particular
year the number of bills sent up from the House of Com-
mons to the Home of Leeds had been, in February, 2, fa
March, 3, in April, 1, in May, 10, in June, 9, in July, 62,
and in the iourdays on which the Lords sat in August, Id. It
was'obviously impossible that under such cireemetances any
justice coxed be done by their lordships to the far greater
proportion of the measures transmitted to them in the latter
months of the session. To pitmen the prerogative of
the crown, under the proposed. new system the
measure now before the house provided that the
consent of the crown should he necessary in tact case of
resumption as contemplated, and to preserve the privileges
of the house the bill provided that the enactm. nt should not
apply to tax or ?femme bills. Ile proposed that the bill be
read a second time, with a view to its being then referred to
the select committee about to ee nominated for considering
the best means of promoting the despatch of public business
in the house.
Mr. GOULBURN said that the proposal to refer the
measure to the select committee in question removed the
objection he should hive otherwise made to its second read-
ing. As at present advised, he was apprehensive that the
measure would rather aggravate than lessen the difficulties
sought to be encountered, for he doubted whither the faci-
lity for carrying over bills to another sessimi in the way sug-
gested would net afford an occasion fur delaying bills which
pressure would otherwise he used to expedite.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that as it was proposed to refer
the measure to the select committee, he would not oa the
present occasion enter into this many important details sug-
gested by the subject. Ha should certainly not assent to
carry out the proposed object by means of a mere resolution.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD objected altogether t s the measure,
considering that it would have the effect of throwing infinite
bills over from one session to anther, which parliament
would otherwise dispose cat in due course. He moved that
the bill be reed a second time that day six menthe.
Sir D. NORREYS hoped his hon. friend would not per-
sist in his opposition to the bill, which was celculated to
effect great good. The principle of the bill was not new to
the legislature, and had already been recognised with ad-
vantage.
Lord MAHON was of opinion that the bill ought to be
suffered to go before a select committee, for it was well cal-
culated to remove some of the inconvenience, and, indeed,
the evil, attendant en the present system of legislation, by
which all proceedings in either house of parliament dropped
when the prorogation took place. Whilst be admitted the
principle rat th • hill, he must say he ameed in the objection
urged by his right hon. friend (Mr. Goulburn), against the
eonsent of the crown being required in order to prolong a
bill. net provision ought, in his °pia el, to be expunged
from the bill.
Mr. URQUHART was of opinion that it would be neces-
sary to retain the clause, making the consent of the crown
necessary to revive or prolong a bill, as this power would be
useful in preventing hasty legislation.
Mr. MOWATT recommended the hon. member for Roch-
dale to withdraw his opposition to the measure, which was
of so harmless a character 'het he must be a very hard.
hearted Mall who would persist in endeavouring to defeat it.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD seeing test the sense of the Louse
was in favour of the 1011, would not divide on his amend-
ment, but would withdraw it. The amendment was by
leave then withdrawn, and the bill was read a second time.
CHURCH SITES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The order of the day for the house to go iota committee
on this bill being read ; on the question that the Speaker
do leave the chair,
Mr. OSWALD, in withdrawing his motion that it be an
instruction to the committee on the Places of Worship Sites
(Scotland) Bill that they have power to extend the provi-
sions of the bill to the etner parts of the United Kingdom,
if they so think fit, entered into an explanation of some
obeervetior.s made by him on a former oceasion, with respect
to the mode in which the bishops of the Snatch kirk were
treated in respect to salary and emoluments,
Mr. F. MACKENZIE renewed the denial which lie had
made on the occasion referred to with reference to the state
ment of the hon. 'timelier that the Scotch kirk starved its
bisheiss.
Si- J. GRAHAM sail that he had always opposed the
principle of the bill, and he did so new. lie shou'd take no
part in the discussion of the bill ill c.mmittse, but he should
in all its future stages oppose its further progress on prin.
ciphe, as his objections to toe miasmic remained unaltered.
The house then went into committee on the Lel. The
preamble was postpoued.
On the first clause being proposed,
Mr. ELLIOT, in moving the amendment of which he had
given notice, mid that there was a peculiarity about Scot-
land which did not exist in any other part. of the United
Kingdom—namely, that the possessions of ',Wive:mils were
so large as to extend fifty milts in length, and not Ole Met
of land within three limits endd consequently be obtained
without consent of such landowner. Owing to this circum-
stance, and to the refusal of the landoweers to grant cites
for free churches the people who had joined the fee kirk
were obliged to worship their God in the open air, to the
great danger of their health, and lime This was a very
grievous laardship. It bad bean contended that the true
remedy was by private bill ; but as the evil affected the
public, so the remedy ought to be by public legislation. He
was cot disposed to blame the lane:lnnis, who originally did
not suppese that the s tuition from the kirk of Scotland
would last. But it had lasted, and trowel probably lest as
long as the kirk itself The hope, therefore, of perpetuating
the unity of the kirk of Saarland mieht mice have just itled
the ...ten of laud is tee refusal t gime% sites f r the
seceder.' churches, but now that that hope no hunger exasted,
thi it refusal eeght no longer to be mainutieed. They,
however, still cacti sued obstinate. and therefore he pro-
posed the remedy weich was contained in his amendment,
which was to provide for the actual wants of the seceding
esongreeatiens, and then, Prising done that, to adopt means
th.,t the act should expire. The honourable member
teen rend the Chll.ll which he proposed m been,
which w..s to the following effect—after reciting the difficul-
ties under which the tanaib rs of the Free Risk of Scotland
laboured enter, in gene parts of that kingdom, the clause
proposed thus proceeded :—Or for either of these purpose',
within the hunnearies of any pariah in which the proprietor
or proprietors of the lend has, prior to the first day et Janu-
ary of thisye:r r. fusee, and atter application made iii writing
miter the pa-sing of thin act shall again refuse, to grant a
suitable cite or Pies, cr shall fail is reply to such impication
for use space of one calendar mouth from the date or delivery
of such application either to hims.lf, his chamberlain, lacier
or other agent, and provided always that no suitable site
men otherwise be obtained, then.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER was disposed to take the same view
of the bill that the right hon. harouet the member for Ripon
had expressed. Ile saw no reason for putting the seceders
from the Kirk of Scotland in a different position from any
other hotly of dissenters—the Roman caiholice tot instance,
who were as loyal a Leidy, tied contained as /mimed
and pious members as any other religious body in the
kingdom. He did not consider the grievances of the
free kirk party had been sufficiently established to justify
the house in departing from the usual course of legislation.
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Mr. (Sir
Mr. TRELAWNY said that it was monstrous to suppose
a power so great as that of the proprietors of large
interests
of large bodies of persons resident on their property ; and,
although he was even somewhat pedantic in his ideas of the
rights of landed property, he certainly could not take the
same view of the matter as the hon. member who had just
spoken. He should certainly support the clause of the hon.
member below him (Mr. Elliot).
Mr. C. BRUCE said that no amendments which could be
made in the bill would reconcile him to it. He should
follow the same course with respect to it that he had already
stated on a former occasion.
Mr. BOUVERIE preferred the clause as it stood origi-
nally, and should therefore oppose tee amendment.
Mr. ELLIOT explained.
Col. MURE considered that the amendment of the hon.
member for Roxburghehire waa calculated to carry out the
objects of the bill in a more safe and gradual manner than
was provided for in its original structure. He should there-
fore give it (the amendment) his support. The bill, as it
originally stood, was despotic, and if & similar measure was
on another occasion proposed for Roman eatholics or Jews
the members of the free church would probably be the first
to cry out against it.
Sir E. COLEBROOKE 'aid that if he could trust in the
: prophecy of the right bon. member for liipme, that the
abandonment of the parliamentary struggle on this question
would be the signal for mutual concession, he would at once
advise the withdrawal of the till. Not being so sanguine,
however, he felt Wind to support the amendment of his
hon. friend.
Mr. G. DtilitAS also supported theautenduleut.