The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-01 00:00:00

n IT 41 016 0

014 8 I 013 4

The remaining schedules were then agreed to as follow:
And from and after the re•pectire dayinext hereinafter mentioned:
On sugar the growth and produce of any other /3ritish possemiont

tg.

IZ' 4.

—.—
;clZred b.y why
prnock4
La eralr„, to
9 al .1
(,or tarry cwt.. .1
Brown clay
sugar, or s
readcrnl by any
prowsqual la
Quallt toloown
clayod, and a
equal to white
chyed,for every

,!1 13 4

To io 0

And from and ,kfter the respective days next hereinafter roe:wooed:
On sun., the growth and ptodum of any foretan country, and on all
Augur not ott raise with duty, the duties tollowing—(that
to Kt])
44 44 1, 44 44 44.1 -5'
e. ,
1, 4
211 Sii 3/
• it; ii; 111,7, 311
17(4 IZA P 1-=
Candy, 14.01•11,0 T L 1. d. Z a. d. E a dE s. d. f;a d. d. Ct.d.
white, rented
rugor, or sugar
reuderod by any
aprow. etilLl
therutu,
for every cwt.. 6 81 4 81 2 M 1 n 8.119 4017 4 13 4

From and alter the respective diye nest tereinalter mentioned, the
bounties or drawbacks following shall be paid and allowed upon the
exportation from the United Kingdom of the several descriptions of
refined sugar hereinafter mentioned :
3
ILP 244 .
A. 63 2,21 i 14i
EN .511.E1t-a .
Upon relinol TWIT In loaf, Xa. d. Xa. el ga. d.
emni•let, amt whole, or
limn, duly reflood, baring
been perfeally clarified and
thorouAlk dried lu Iht
141.01 e. and lcing of a unt
form o hileoa w tilrOW6l.l.
OT 000.11 Tizor pounded.
ent,hed. or lotokco,or AIM
candy, the cwt.......... 016 4 0 1.5 0 013 D 01! G
' I.:pon logn.ril, or relined so
car. broken in piece", Of
NO 101 ground. or powdered
swim, or 'ARO fugal!
pouided, or enialied ur
ImA:et, for every cwt. .... 019 0 012 0 011 0 010 0

And ro in proportke for any greater or lees quantity than n
hundred weight.
The house resumed.

SUPPLY-ORDNANCE ESTIMATES.

The 1Z; then went into Committee of Supply.
Col. ANSON, in rising to move the Ordnance Estimates,
not yet voted, said, that the delay which had taken place in
moving these estimates had arisen entirely from the house
having thought it desirable to refer them with the military
and naval estimate', to the investigation of a committee
up-stairs; that committee had been now sitting for five
months, anti its labours had resulted in • report on
the naval estimates. 11 ith reference to the ordnance esti-
mates, there seemed to be an impression abroad that,
le c ,use they were double what they were in 1824, there
was necessarily great extravagance chargeable upon the
department; but such was not the fact. He was pre-
pared to show that every item of which they were cum-
posed. as well as the amount under each item, was es-
sential to the efficiency of the service. The house had al-
ready voted the main portion of the money required for this
department. Ile would now go briefly through the re-
maining items, giving, in relation to each particular such
further explanation as might be subsequently demanded.
The first vote he should submit was for the pay, allowances
and contingencies of ordnance military corps. The In-
crease in this department he was sure would be not only
assented to, but approved of by the country. It was gene-
rally admitted that our artillery force peculiarly should be
kept in a state of complete effi:ieney, and it had accordingly
been deemed essential to make considerable additions to this
force, the total increase in the estimate being 99,015 e., upon
a total e-timate of 710,2541. The second vote was for corn,
m ssariat and harr'ck supplies for her Majesty's forces,
great-coats • for the army, clothing for colonial
corps, &c., the amount being 316,0311. Here there was
also ass increase, in the particular items, 'necessarily arising
Irons th incriase of the forme to be supplied, but in cense-
qui nee of a re-distrbution of other items, there would be
a diminution iu the total sum asked, as compared with last
year, of 54,4331. The next vote was 91,136/. for the ex-
penses of the °ulna- cc offices at the Tower and Pall mall,
being less by 5,3111, than the sum voted last year, although
the work performed at these offices bad materially increased.
The fourth vote was for establishments in the United King-
dom and colonies, 235,6101., being an increase upon the
vote of last year of 7,5161. He did not think that
when the nee-every extent of our military stations
at home and abroad was considered, this vote would
be considered excessive, but he admitNd that it was one
upon which the house would naturally keep • close watch.
The inert &se in the vote arose chiefly from the extension
which had been deem d essential of our barrack establish-
meets, more particularly in Ireland, in which part of the
kingdom it had been calculated there would be an additional
outlay this year, under the head in question, of 10,2421. In
vote 5, • very meet increase would be observed ; this vote
was for wages of artificers and labourers in the United King-
dom and colonies, 137,8.521., being an increase of not leas
than 20.71:51. It had been considered of the highest import-
ance to lose no further time in thoroughly completing the
efficiency of our artificer department, more especially at
Wsolerich, but it was to be borne in mind that the
result of this greater efficiency, and of the machinery which
was being extensively introduced, would he ultimately to re-
duce the expense of this department. The next sate was
stores, 463,7431., being 95,0001. beyond the sum voted last
year under this bead. He c.,uld assure the committee, how
ever, that not one single shilling had been added beyond
what was deemed necessary. The store of small arms, for
instance, had been considered altogether inadequate to the
requirements of the public service, and an increase, accord-
ingly, h,.1 been made in this particular item to the extent
of 20,0901. This very incr. ue, however, would keep
future estimates down. The next item was for ord-
nance stores of every description : 38,000/. for entrench-
ing tools ; 25,0001. fur camp equipages, the store of which
hod fallen very short; 20,0001. for saltpetre and gunpowder.
In the royal carriage department there was 20,0001. (and this
would go but a small way) ; for the laboratory at Woolwich
50,0001. ; for the storekeepers' department 40,0001. ; making
altogether 273,0001. For shot and shell there was an addi-
tion of 14,0001. over the vote of last year. The various other
items were much the same as in the estimates of the previous
year, but the result was that they had to ask the house to
sanction an increase of 95,0001. over the vote of last year.
But this expenniture being necessary for the efficiency of the
service, and as this was one of the last items in which they
Arita I endeavour to economise, he trusted he should have the
concurrence of the committee. He now cum to No. 7,
which was the largest vote in these estimates. In this vote
government had thought it desirable to make a reduction,
end be had laid on the table a revised vote showing a decrease
en the correlionding vote as contained in the original tett-
mates of 119,8751. He must not, however, be un-
derstood as acknowledging that the vote as originally
proposed was not justified. But since the first estimates
were prepaid circumstances hod emu:reed in the finances of
the c untry which rendered it necessary for the Chancellor
of the Exchequer to endeavour, by reducing the estimates,
to meet the ottficalti a which beset him on every side. This
was communicated to the Ordnance, and the opinion of the
Master-General, the Commander-in Chief, and the Inspettor-
General of Fortresses was taken as to the possibility of mak-
ing any reductions in the expenditure of that department;
and it was thought that as there were certain works which
had been done without before, these might bs dune without
now, and the manse which they would occasion deferred
till another year. This was the mode in which a reduction
in these estimates had been effected. The house must not,
however, expect that these works could be indefinitely poet-
, pond; on the contrary, they were considered as absolutely
necessary by the high authorities to whom he had alluded;
and he hoped when the at ito of the finances would justify it,
that the house would readily sanction the a xecnse. The gross
' amount id the reduction in this vote was 131,6751., and the
• detail of the items on which it was effected would be found

fully explained in the revised estimates which had teen laid
on the table. Tbey comprised tl.e charges for ordnance
home stations, barracks in Great Britain, barracks in Ire-
hind, ortl n a ce fore ign,and barracks foreign. There we.* some
small additions in the home stations, fur completing the sea
batteries at Gravesend and Tilbury, tor the defences of the
harbour at Albany now forming, and for increased barrack
accommodation in Ireland, which would take the place of
some of the reductions, and reduce the total saving to the
sam he had stated, Viz., 119,8751. lie wortit be permitted
to add, that the vote was made out in a different form than
on previous occasions, and supplied more it.formation. In
toe last part of the vote, in which provision was taken for
works of het than 1,000/., each par icular work was sepa-
rately stated and explained. (Hear, hear.) The next vote
was for the scientific branch ; 71,987!. was the sum proposed
to b • taken for this; last year the amount voted was 58,9861.,
coreequently there was here an increase of 13,001/. That
was according to the original estimate, but he now proposed
to take a vote for 3,2001. less, deducing that sum from the
item 6,2001. for the junior academy at Carshalton, which
could not this year be carried out to the
extent proposed when the estimates were prepared.
There had been some complaints of irregularities at this
academy, which had engaged the attention of the Master-
General, and the measures he had carried into effect in con-
sequence, he was happy to say, had much improved the dis-
cipline of the school, and he believed no complaints had of
late been made. This establishment, whose object was to
prepare the cadets for the college at Woolwich, was of no
expellee to the public; the expense was wholly paid by the
friends of the pupils; but as the payments made by them on
account of the cadets could not be inserted in the accounts
until the year after the payment, they were obli;ed to pro-
pose a vote. The house would be aware that this vote was
principally for the Ordnance survey of the United King
dom, tor which purpose it was proposed now to take the sum
of 60,000/. That survey was proceeding in a satisfactory
manner; and though there were some complaints of pre-
ference given to England and Ireland. and of consequent
delay in Scotland, the manner in which it was carried on
was such that there was every reason for supposing that this

valuable work would be completed at the earliest pomade
period. The reduction on the Carats.lion academe item
would reduce the incre iu tido i from 1,300/.
9,8001. The next • de, which was for non-te roan
•
t ey could not alter ; the t, tal amount •his year WS jug
than the vote of the previous year by 1.1214 fair
wan
statement he had to make, soul he could aistire the
that in providing for the supplier, and is d.
ra tog ton
pablio money, the department with which he was coon
paid every regard to economy consistent with the elliciercg
a the service. The first vote he had to pro was.
316,2.54/. for pay allowance, and eondegencies Ordnance
military corPs the total vote was n 6,2441., but 400,00 k
had already been granted on account.
The question haviug been put,
Mr. OSBORNE inquired if the report of the selected,
mince on the estimates t,ad Attu presented?
Mr. F. MAULE replied that the cowed:tee had ara
taken the Ordnance estimates into consideration,nor did the,
prop die to go so during toe present session. They hal
hitherto been engaged on the navy estimate', tt.eir report/
which had been laid on the table.
Colonel SIBTIIORP objected to Tot ng these euimat%
until the report was produced.
Sir F. T. BARING *heed that the committee or. petit
exnenditure had been engaged for some time on, the mei
estimate_ ,s end hot gone nito details which had oresrug
their whole time till now, end when hon. members read%
report which had been presented be thought they would ea
say their time had been wasted. (Cheers.) He woo bout
also to say that 'Le poveromint had affoid. d the csminittm
every explanation and document out we required. (Rear)
With regard to the Ordnang: estimates, as the triennium
whichee st
describ,
es corps kept up as a pla),hing
Lad made no inqury into them, he was not prepared to oga
any opposition to these votes. lie unepostood governme/
intended to appoint a blinder committee next sessior., win,*
should take the Ordcanee and other estimates iota, comid,
ation. (" Hear, beer," from Lord J. Rumen)
lie
Mr. B. OSBORNE must enter his pious: against the
whole
h Y4l;
complained o em°tr
wv4ll nt in the ordnance depute/at
ultle rape use of the al Horse And*,
foreirnambass elms and t r reviews.

C(1. ANSON deti.r.ded me hone artillery who, he MA;
might be called the ear.iiry of the Arai ry
Mr. OSBORNE said that if a committee were granted be
would pledge hmsell to prose that a much in4..e elating
force than th.: hone artillery might be upulitained at MX
the cost.

Mr. IiEItRIES said that when the estimates hag
been presented at the commencement of the 4Mien they
were thought txces.ive, and a committee was 'pointed to
revise them. Now, however, they were celled to to Feu
those estimotes, being told that the committee had sieve,
all hope of getting further Wan the naval atioiatel deal
the present sersion.
Admiral BOWLES acid that when the repent of the row
mittee came to be compared with the evi.!encr, he bAeved
would not be found wuriliy the con-ideration of the I,..use.
Mr. F. MAULE defended the curse he had taken on th;
committee. He denied gliving done ..mythin;rca!euloted
damage the opinion of the committee in the e.timafon of the
I house. ,
---------. .

Admiral BOWLES explained.—lle bad merely in antes
complain that the cm. mime was composed of gentleatee
xtreme opinions, while there was not a hingle pri,sioul
man among its members. Consequently, it had ni.n.y bpi
groping in the dark.
Col. SIBTHOEY complained that the money of the
country was always voted away in a thin house. The rot
was then agreed to.
116,031/., coromissoriat and Larracks, and for the t.applyel
greatcoats for the army.
Mr. OSBORNE art
,peted to the supply of greatcors far
the a, my being mixed up with the ordnance estimates.
After • few words from Col. ANSON, the vote wis
agreed to.
46,136/., ordnance department in the Tower.
Mr. B. OSBORNE sai.l Mat the system on which the Ord.
nance was managed was most extravagant. lie had noon',
plaint to make of the hi ~ter-General, butbe would pat itto
the house whether an officer of bus-arm was 8, to mettle the
artillery department of tae empire: He sawed that the
vote be reduced by 3 000/ , the M‘eter•Gen,ral's salary,
The amendment was negatived without a division, smiths
vote was agreed to,
129 6461. was voted for the barrack department atd garri-
son staff.
28,5671., wages of aramrs in the United Kingdom.
233,7431. for Ordnanco stores, land sad P a service.
34,1551. fur works, buildings, and repair. at hcms od
abroad.
. .

On it being proposed to vote the tuna of 24,7871., fort%
scientific branch of the Ordnance,
Mr. B. OSBORNE shed if this sum included the expense
of the survey of London ?
Col. ANSON said the Ordnance had nothing to do with
that survey.
Capt. GORDON asked whether any money wee to be
granted for the Ordnance survey of Scotland this yeir ?
Col. ANSON said that 13,000/. hcd Veen applied to tith
purp, se last year, and 15,0001. would be ap;oop‘mtid to it
during the present year.
Mr. NV YLD pros. st, el against the employment of tin
sappers and miners in the wryer of London, us thereby
they superseded the 'Miele of numerous civil IlltVitTolll.
Col. ANSON said that he had no wish to und, irate the
talents of the civil surveyors, but the commis ioners ef
sewers had considered that the work would be more sstisfac
torily executed 1 the sippers than b civil surveyors.
Mr. HUDSON also deprecated the employment of the
military in civil surveys, as thereby great wrong was in-
flicted on a large class of professional men.
Mr. B. OSBORAE complained that there was en elCiil
of 9,0001. over laq year's esti •oates for the cArge of Wool-
wich Cadet Academy, and this notwithstanding the abuse
that had been proved to exist in that estabiWomi at.
Col. ANSON explained that them was no additi AI to the
estimates in reality, as the expenses were repaid by the
cadets.
The vote, after some further conversation, anus agreed to.
On 82,4411. being proposed for the ,onAtf,ctive service,
Mr. C. BERKELEY said, that the sum included in this
vote for foreign halt-pay seemed never to diminish. We had
been at peace for 33 ye ars, and during that time not one of
these pensioners Premed to have died. (A laugh.)
Mr. GOULBURN said, that an inquiry bad taken plus
some time since on that subject., which hod proved mat
satisfactory.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote or 20.1,0001,
being the remainder of 460,0001., for the military atorances
and half-pay of the land forces.
The Chairman then reported progress, and obtains:llm*
' to sit again at 12 o'clock to-morrow (this day).
COMMITTEE ON SAVINGS BANKS (IRELAND).
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER to.oinated
the following members on this committee : Mr. H Herbert,
Ur. Goulburn, Sir J. Graham, Mr. Reynolds, Mr. Herrin,
Mr. G. Craig, Mr. P. Scrone, Sir J. Y. Balser, ,Ir.
Mr. K. Seymer, Mr. W. Fagan, Mr. J. A. Smith, Mr. s.
Adair, and Mr. Bramston. The rightbon. gentlemsa stated
that, as the object of the committee's inquiries was as meek
connected witb Scotland as Ireland, he had thought it right
to place on the committee several Son eh members.
Mr. MONSELL suggested the substitution of the tool
of Lord G. Bentinck, Mr. Clements, and Major Moduli he
those of Sir J. Y. Butler, Mr. Henies, and Mr. Seyiner,
After a conversatim the names originally proposed were
agreed to.

NEW BILLS.
Mr. C. LEWIS obtained leave to bring in a bill to coati
nue certain turnpike acts.
Lord MORPETR obtained leave to brio g in a hill amend-
ing an act of last session relating to the London ',ridges dP
preaches Fund.
The bills were afterwards brought in and read first time.
The house adkureed at one o'clock.

ELECTION COMMITTEES=YrsTERDAY.

DUBLlN.—Scratiny continued. No votes etruckca
NORTH CHEMIRE.—The committee terminate'
their laboun by molting that George Cornwall Legh,
had been duly elected.