The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-14 00:00:00

SPORTING.

NEWMARKET CRAVEN MEETING.
LATEST BETTING ON muitsDAT NIGHT.
TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS STAKES.
to 4 apt Honeycomb (t) (6 to 2 apt Nannykirk (t)
METROPOLITAN HANDICAP.
Ito 2 agat Comm (t) 16 to I apt Pershill
6 1 Peep.o•-D•y-Boy (t) 30 —1 Do.the.lloye
7 1 Lugar 30— 1 Roby
8 1 Platcatcher 33 1
14 1 Executor

20 to 1 apt Blucher
25 1 Rathmines
DERBY.
9to 1 alga Flying Dutchman 20 to 1 apt Osterley (t)
11— 2 Tsdmor 20 1
ifi,=ro
6 1 Nunnykirk 06 1 - TO
12-1 Honeycomb
FRIDAY.
MATCH, 2001.,10 ft. Dig.
Lord Cliftlen's Lesdatone, Bet 71b (Robinson) 1
Lord Glasgow's Clerk of the Council, 7st 7lb ........(Flatmao) 2
Betting: 7 to 4 on Loadatone. Won easily by half a
Length. Bun In 1 rain. 64 see.
Maven, 3001.,100 ft. T.Y.C
Lord Strathmore's Seraph, Bat 21b (R. Rogers) 1
Lord Stradbroke's Pyles., list 51b (Kaman) 2
Betting :6to 4 on Pylos (t). Won In a canter by two
Ha. Run in 1 mia. 18 see.
ANDICAP SW2EYBTAX-Eff of 15 son. earls, 10 it, for all
ages. T.Y.C.
Lord Lowther's Puleberrima, 3 yre, 7st (Dockery 1
Lord Glasgow's Clerk of the rtorA 4 yr., Bra 71b (Y. Batter 2
Lord
Chesterfield's Chicot, 3 yrs, Mt 9lb (G. Oates 3
Lord Clifilen's 6t. Antonia, 4 yrs, Bet Lb (Emmen 4
Betting: 6to 6 apt Bt. Antonio, and 2to 1 sgst l' cher-
rims. A very well contested race with all four; Pulcher-
rims, who ran cut near the finish, winning only by a head,
Chian and St. Antonio well up. Thhi race was not timed.
MATCH.-1001. h ft. First half of Ab. H. . . .

carorix CUP.
139 to 1 art Lady Wildair

Doke of Bedford's &tall, Est nb (P. Butler) I
lard °Lwow s f by Provoet out of Impertinence. Est Th.
(Malmo)
Betting: 6 to 5 on Retail. Won by a length. Rua in
62 see.
MATCH.-1001. T.Y.C.

Duke of Bedford's Dodd* Set 71b (P. Butler) 1
Lord Olusow's Big Jerry. Ist 71b (Platruan) 2
Betting : 10 to lon Saddle. Won by a length. Ilan in
min. 16 sec.
SWEEPSTAKES of 100 soya each, h ft for B•yr olds ; colts,
• 71b; pan., 8:!.21b. D. Id. (b subs.)

Doke of Bedfc;rd's Sobraces (F. Butler) I
Lord Orford's coy Cotherstone out of Mandane (11obloson) • 2
Betting *. Bto 1 on &broom, who made all the running.
and won in a roster by four lengths. Run in 1 rain. 51 see.
Serearwraxis of 100 son each ; h ft, for 3-yr-olda ; 04141,
Bst 71b; (Mies, Rat 41b; 31b allowed, &c. Ab. M. (8 nabs.)
Lord asesterfleld's Drakelow, Oct 41b 1
Lord Mares Honeyoonsb, 4441 b
Mr. S. Stealers e by antics XII. out
Set 41b (=tied Yet 71b)

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It. Wag stol on Honeycomb. Deakelow mad. all the
ronsMg, and woo ins canter by two lengths. Ran in 1 Isis.
63 see.
Ponv Oir 100 eon. 'soh, ti ft, for 4-yr olds
Litt nb ; &t 4 b. sot named in Om Claret; the
'mond bon* to savo its stake. T. 31.31. (9 sailitani
Mr.
IA Masesasker ( 1
.I. Nevirs Dew (Mamas
Betting : 10 to 1 on Flatsatekee, who said kis emu Taw
slog, and wen Ina canter by three lengths. Run is 3 La.
66 efts.
The defeat of Honeycomb nested quits a sesistion, and
will, of enures, mad Mu out of the baiting both for it.
2,0 l Guinea Stakes and Dolby. Ho is sada a straw sus-
padon of brio; a loam.
The saattiag, o• the whole, looking at the manna of the
attendance nod the extraordinary flumes of the betting, may
b. pronounsed ane of tho wont eon known at the tonamewee
ment of the some.

CENTRAL CRIMINAL COURT.

OLD COURT.-MTUDAL

TRIAL OF MR. DROUET.

mien Mr. lierm Feu sad Mr. Justice Williams.
[We continue our report of this esse where we brae of
yesterday.]
Mr. M. Chambers urged that be was entitled to show that
the children bad boa gradually deteriorating In health to
toasequence of the food and treatment they had received in
the asylum.
Mr. Baron Platt—lt was the duty of the guardians to see
that the children received proper treatment.
Kr. Chambers—l submit, my lord, that it was no nth
thing. I submit that, if Mr. Drouet did not feed the chil-
dren according to his contraet, and that they suffered in am-
request*, he glen. is nepossible.
Mr. Baron Platt—Yee, but the original fault ley with the
guardians in farming the children out in such a manner.
ter. K. Chambers—Dive me leave to state. ley lord, that
if ama take • contract from his sorrier' he ir personally
respoesible for its performance. I would cite the ease of the
Warden of the Fleet, who was indicted for laving caused the
death of a prisoner by confining him in a amp cell. His
defence was that the act was not his, but that of the deputy
warden. A special Verdict was given, and it was held that
the hand that had committed the offence was responsible.
If the children in Tooting suffered from improper food and
treatment, Mr. Divot is reeposible. The mustiest is, whe-
ther they have suffered front-his improper treatment ; and my
examination is intended to elicit the bets.
Mr. Baron Platt—Do you intend to prove that the dietary
was not sufficieat, Oa that Mr. Drouet was hosed to
denote it ?
Mr. Chambers—l have shown that they did not list the
dietary, sad that they suffered in consequence. There are
-two questions : first, whether the dietary was suffidest • and
secondly, whether it wee fairly moved out. Or the dietary
might have been dieentionary, in which cue it,. Dermot
would also be criminally wolfram is supplying bed ere M-
eatiest food to helplies Wham.
Sir F. Thesiger—The Oration made by me to the line el
esseanaties pursued by my learned Mmd was, that in cm-
Miming. the use of the boy Askew', who only entered the
asylum m October, he endeavoured to elicit from the wit-
nesses facts width bad occurred the previeus May ; I may
amse, for the sake of argument, that everything stated by
these witaesres is true, and still it may have so bearing
whatever upon the one before the eourt.
Kr. Baron Platt—lt appears to me that we cannot allow
this line of examination to be proceeded with, unless the
learned counsel can connect the events of May with those of
October.
Mr. M. Chambers—l propose to show the connexion by
Balling as witnesees the boys who resided in the asylum over
the two periods. Mr. Chamber; was proceeding when
Mr. Baron Platt You must nett waste the time of the
mart. You have been already heard, and Sir Frederick has
iferatambere—l thirst I am entitled to make one ob-
Naiveties.
Mr. Baron Platt—You are not. I will not hear you again.
You have spoken and Sir Frederick Thesieer has replied,
and you have no right to say more observations. You must
allow me to tarry en the cos in a regular manner.
It,. Chambers—l think I may be permitted to make one
Mr Onen.
B ess.
aron Platt—Wal you be so good as to call evidence
breve the connexion.
Mr. Chambers then called Patrick Sheen.
Patrick Sheen, examined by Mr. Clarkson—l was in the
Tooling Asylum, and remained there until removed in Pa
unary last. We s'ept then three in a bed.
Sir F. Thasiger objected to the examination of this witness
lithe object was to prove the opinion of wines as to the
treatment.
Mr. Chambers said his intention was to show by many
witnesses the general treatment of the children.
Sir F. nosier still ol.jected.
Kr. Mann submitted that they could only prove the
general treatment of the deceased by the evidence of boys
who were in the asylum at the some time. They could not
sail the dessesed.
Mr. Ism Platt said that the evidence would be of no
value plum the witness had slept in the same room as An-
drews.
flit 7. The submitted that if it were competent for his
Imenal Mead ie go into evidence of the nature proposed, it
mud le eenspelest
per the prisoner to call children to say
OM they MI been perhetly satisfied with the treatment they
bed readeed. Cudisting evidence of such a kind could
Mile as satidaseuy resat. Some boys would, in all pro.
babth my that they WOMB seliged with the trashiest, and
Oh= slat they wets dissatielled with it ; but what bearing
meablthst have ia dedding the question of the treatment of
Melmtleshar boy, Andrews ?
116. Dirtiniliget said the court were of opinion that it was
rte widows te show how the witness had slept. The main
bgairy was, as to the treatment of Andrews, and what effect
M lad had spot him. Did the witness know where Andrews
shtwitless said *et he did.
Mr. Chambers promised to interrogate the witness further
at a future stage of the trial, but, in the mean time, he cli-
nched him to stand down.
Richard Woodmen, a little boy, examined by Mr. Chem-
bers.—l belong to Holborn union, and was there with James
Andrews. I went there at the same time as he did. lie did
sot sleep in the same room with me at lest. I went to Mr.
Derast's about three mouths before last Christmas. Andrews
lams there shortly after, and two or three days before we
ease away he slept in the same room with me up in the
attic. That was called " the doctor's ward." He slept with
his heather and another boy named Derbyshire. Three
boys slept generally in the same bed in the star, but only
me other boy slept with rm. Andrews was sick when he
was put up there to sleep, and was attended by Kr. Bite.
the surpoo. I came up to town with bins in a van. I
did sot know Andrews before he was taken ill. I was well
what Andrews went away. He (Andrews) felt Mk in the
van.
Cron-examined by Sir F. Thesiger.—He told me in the
van he wee sick. The night we came up in that vehicle was
a very cold one. It was a covered van. I left Mr. Drouet's
after the cholera bad broken out there.
The Jury here retired for about a quarter of an hour for
refreshment.
William Derbyshire (another of the boys), bat apparently
not more than 7 years old, examined by Mr. Clarkson—l
was at Kr. Dronet's establishment. I slept In the same bed
with the two Andrews; I cannot say for how many nights ;
it was only for a short time. It was not is the attic we slept.
Ido not know in what room. I cannot say how many beds
were in the room. I cannot say if there were six. I TIMM.
bee James Andrews taking ill, and his being removed from
the room. Ido not know where he was taken to. Ido not
recollect his being brought back to the room. (Counsel
found it extremely difficult to get answers frem this witness,
and when he did answer, his reply was so inaudible that ha
was put uponthe table, who this evidence was only re-
peated, counsel being unable to elicit anything further.)
By the Judre—l came up to the Free Hospital with the
other boys. We came up in a van, which was full. James
Andrews was not in it. He was in the big boys' van. Ide
net hewer where Jame Andrews slept the night before he
west away.
William Maedotigal, examined by Mr. Chambers—l am
fourteen yews old. I was at Mr. Drouet's establishment.
J. Andrews was in the same van with me when going there.
Heist on my knee, laid his head on my shoulder, and said
he felt very sick. I was at Mr. Drown's as long as J. An-
drews was there. We were not in the same hall, as I was
In the big boys' ball and James Andrews ill one of the little
cues. I therefore caauot my it he was treated as I was.
The little boys were dressed as we were. I got clothes from
Kr. Dronet when I went in instead of my own. They did
ant keep me warm. In play time we went into the yard.
The same yard was for the small boys, hut semetimes the
nurse took them to the wards. Sometimeethe MIMS tea the
little boys in, but sometimes they were out of deers.
had their suppers at six o'clock, and went to bed. Wllll3
had supper at one time. We were all dressed alike. 0.
Sunday we had warmer clothes than on the week days. I
was n in the room where the little boys slept.
B Sir F. Thesiger.—Andrews said he was ill in the yes.
We lod supper of bread and oheese, after we got to the
Free Hospital, but Andrews ate none. He was put to bed
as mem as they could. He slept in the same room with me.
No orator saw him that sight. I did not ice that he did
not GM his bread and dieser.
has* Andrews.—l am eight years of age. I was at
Drawl's aad slept with my brother, the deceased, in he
aMis. Derbrhire slept in the same bed with us. There
were abut a teem beds in the room.—Baron Platt : flow
saw le • deems t—Witame (sh.rply) : Twelve. (Laughter )
In sums Mae beds there were may two boys. We three slept
thee • geed while. My brother was taken sick, but not
while we were up in the attin We were treated like the
rest althea& boys. We lad not enough to eat. Some-
times ay bream asked me for part of what I had. I some-
time pee Mm emu. mad sometimes refused, because I bed
net emengli Mr myself. There wasa ball on purpose for the
alie ler to Mae in. We sometimes had rotten potatoes
Mk =Si be linear. When we had potatoes, we had no
hosed; and when we bad breed, no potatoes. I all them
seMse, bongo they were bad ; they were of a bad colour.
When disy were bed we used to " chuck" them away,
semeliera us ad semetimes wader the table, sad then thaj.
Win seeded te =sib. The potatoes were very often
lei I lid emit of them, became I did not 1 ke.
The nod dim were slides a week. We bad not
es saber dor. I=they ware always had, potatoes
We is sat them On the meat days we had net
xis* forigh. We send se have breed and gruel fee break-
fied--elesull hall a dies of bread. not very thick. the
gesso ernibed if, as about half an lash in )
Weld aka ball aOW of the mai thickaus at yapper. It

the Winona when I slept there was a tub for the use of el
th- toys for neessaary purposes. Two of the big boss_cartird
it down every morning. The nurse who attended to us
did net sleep is the same room. The tn't used to smell dis-
egreembly, and oar bed was our it. The big boys used to
asks the b.de ead wash the roue. The same tub es was
mod at MOM was said for maim the room, after being
BtuF Thesiger—l was at Mr. Drool's before my
entior—about two mouths. Befogs I west I had been e
ttaltt is the workhouse. My brother had also boon_pre-
is the workhouse. A man named Johney Kers
afteased on the little boys at weak He wee the
sail and to mind the boys is the halt We had meat three
fte a week sad seep as other days—l *fah Wise • week.
Ai lid meet ea Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Sudsy.; on
tlisadare, nap; eaTkessins, net pudding ; es Fridays and
soup. We lad breed sad gruel for breakfast. By
ll= of breed, oases half • round. We had bread and
ease. he segue ; if breed. the sew quantity as at break-
het. We had wine mei milk to drisk for upper. His
hither lad his Male la the ward; he (witless) had his
meeh is a hilliseall glace ; he the firm four or In slays that
he ems late ,1 MS Mese his brother sad he bed their moils
:ha male pith; ohm ;list his anther wee poi into a mails
• ward; his brother wee limed ilrene the lea to the
ward bums* be lad bed eyes ; than was a wed he serum'
=lad eyes; this kether's eyes were ast bed des he
the beam ; did not see his WARM is the wed; his
MAWR had the ease food that he Margit MS; ham that
bessiem he saw the food in the hall ; did ast haw that Ws
beetime hni lust and porter every day; did sot mem hew
Y the mamma with his brother ; saw idat the eight they
enme up abut eleven o'clock ; they left Tooth( abut
eight o'clock ; had supper at the Three Horses ; the
was •
breed and milk • his brother was also there
= bread end milk likewise ; he seemed ill, but did not
esmplais. His ayes had got well by that due. Thinks they
get well a meth before that time. No doctor saw Isis
brother that night. Not till the following morning. It was
a coil snowy night when they came away from Mr. Drown's.
Re-examthed by Mr. Clarkson—His brother did not take
his meals in the same place with hint after his eyes got sore.
The boys raver had porter except at Christmas.
By Mr. Baron Platt—Was not tired when he came from
Tcotisg because he rode. His brother seemed tired and
sleepy. Witness was not sleepy.
Thos. Titan examined by Mr. Chambers.—ls 16 run of
age. Knows the attics where the little boys need to sleep.
Went into them to make the beds and to sour the rooms,
and to empty the slops. Knew James Andrew.. Hs slept
in one of the attics. There were from 16 to 20 beds in one
of these ankle. There wen two or three attics when the
little boys slept. He elesised the room where Jams. An.
draws slut. Classed it nos every morning. The beds
unclose together. There were two and yanstlesse three in a
hod. He emptied the tub every morning. Had to take it
down two lights of stairs every morning. There was a bad
smell from it. When he wanted to rest himself, he put it
ender the beds. He used the suss tub for swabbing.
Then wee a smell in it during the day, se
Well as when le was taking it out. The room
was as long as the court. It was not very wide.
The windows of the room looked into the yard. Was in the
hall where the little boys used to sat nos or twice. Andrews
was often in the sick ward. Was there sometimes when he
was eating his dinner. There us suet pudding on Thurs-
day. There was not enough of it. Saw them have potatoes
able or twice he ileser. The potatoes were bed and watery
os bath eemeirms. The little boys had soap sometimes.
Whoa they had net potatoes, they hod bread. Saw the
cloths thetJames Andrews had on on week days. They
were waged sloths.. They were made of wool. Witness
bad 'leased the Nine ilsesriptios. They did not keep him
wane. They had esselany clothes on Sunday. They wen
warmer then the weekday clothes. Andrews used to be in
tie yogi after wheel beams between 5 and 7 o'clock in the
Saw the bread mud out la the pantry; the lost
;;;Zietcyameastreeth
by Sir F. Tbesiger--flaw the breed cut
into 20 pieces day that he wee in the pantry. That
was for about a weney eek at or he first wane into the house.
There were two or three roam for little boys at the top of
the house. There were 4 rooms there altogether. There
were more then 10 or 12 beds in one of the
rooms. There were 14 or 16 in one of them. Thinks
that room wee the first entered Vont the stabs.
In the lest room then were 14 or 16 beds. The attics were all
of the same Yu Would swear that there were more thee Vi
beds in all of the rooms. There were about three Mae—
-15 beds in each of the attics. The rooms were not very high;
could not say how high. Julies Andrews was in the last ill
the four attics. He resigned there a good bit. He was re-
moved to the sick ward a beg while after he cams ; by lees
while witness meant several weeks. Witness saw Zia la
the fourth roam morning sitar morning.
By Mr. Baron Platt—Remembered Andrews having bell
eyes about a month after he came.
By Sir F. Thesiger—Did not me him after his removal.
The dinner of the big boys and the little boys took place at
the same time. Witness dined after the big boys, but !served
at the dinner of the little boys? sometimes carrying the meals
round. About 150 little boys dined together Sew Junes An-
drews there three times. The big boys used to be served be-
fore the girls. The boys march in order to dinner, one at a
time. Knew Mr. Winch. Mr. Winch had not been asking
witness questions about this use.
Sir F.'lltealger—Do you mean to say that Mr. Winch has
not asked you questions about this trial?
Witness.—Yes, he has once or twice.
Sir F. Thasiger.—Did he ask you about Andrews ?
Within—Yee.
Sir. F. Thanger.—Did he write down what you said ? (A
pane.
Mr.lsron Platt —Wes he writing while you were talkies?
Witeess.—Yes.
Re-examined by Mr. M. Chambers.—Mr. Duncan wee
with Mr. Winch when Mr. Winch asked me questions. Had
known Mr. Winch before. Was one of the boys preen*
when he came down In May. Did not serve in the little
boys' dining-room until after Andrews came. Mr. Drone;
lset him in the poetry. The tour attics altogether were as
ong es this court.
Mr. Baron Platt—The attic did not go from one end 01
the building to the other ?
Witness—No.
Samuel Jenkins (another boy) examined by Mr. Clark-
son—Had assisted in cleaning the big boys' room. Could
give no account of the mods in which the little boys in the
establishment were treated.
By Mr. Baron Platt—The little boys used to go into the
yard where the big boys were. Had seen es many as a hun-
dred little boys, the eUmt of whom was about eight. They
were quite old enough to tell all about whet they had to eat.
Selby, aged 16, examined by Mr. Chambers—lied been
at Mr. Dorset's establishment about 15 months.
Mr. M. Chambers—Have you ever complained of the food
which was given t• you there ?
Mr. Rerun Platt intimated that the question was not a
fair one, as this boy was in a different apartment from the
desseseed.
Mr. M. Chambers—l submit, my lord, that the question
is a perfectly fair one.
Mr. Baron Platt—You consider it fair to examine a boy
who was in one room in order to show what took place in
another ?
Mr. M. Chemberr—l am obliged to deal with my instruc-
tions as I find them. The evidence seems to me very im-
portant both with regard to the big boys end the little boys.
Mr. Baron Platt—All the witnesses you have called are
about 15 or 18 nen of an.
Mr. M. Chambers—The evidence was received at the co-'
rower's inquest.
Mr. Clarkson here made en observation about the coroner's
inquest
Mr, Baron Platt--I observe that at the coroner's inquest
many witnesses were examined who were not upon their
oath, and they are now celled to give evidence, upon which
the jury will have to decide. It is a most unjust end irre-
gular proceeding.
A murmur of applause was elicited from the gallery
by this observation, which the prisoner scent anted by tap-
ping with his hand on the front of the dock. It was in-
stantly suppressed by • loud cry of " Silence."
Mr. Clarkson—But that othervation does not apply to
those who have to conduct the prosecution. My learned
friend and myself feel considerable difficulty in calling wit-
nesses who have an indistinct knowledge of facts.
Mr. Baron Platt—Surely a child of eight years of age
could say what belied to live upon, whether he was satisfied
or not, whether he was cold and miserable, and where he
slept. I object to your calling boys of 15 or 16 who were not
in that room.
Mr. Clarks—We call them, my lord, because we hove
not others.

—Mr. garon Platt—That is no reason.
John Welsh ogled and examined by Mr. M. Chambers—
Had been at Tooting about thirteen months. Would be
fourteen years of age on the 3rd of June. Did not recollect
James Andrews. Used to sleep in a bedroom up stairs,
where both big boys and little boys slept. Knew the attics
in which the little boys slept. They used to sleep three in a
bed. Had seen the little boys at dinner. Some
of the potatoes were good, and some were bad.
They were generally good. The had ones were diseased in
the middle. The Link boys were treated in the ease man-
-1/11, before November as alter. Recollected some complaintsooi
being mad* by when a gentleman came down.
leeted the boys hold•ing up their hands. The boys were
asked U they had enough to eat, and those who had
not enough to eat held up their hands to show it.
Dreamt was not then. Harding, the cshoolmsster, was.
He thought the question as to food was asked by
Mr. Winch • he believed it was. Saw Mr. Drouet after-
wards : he ;aid to the boys, " I'll let you know, you young
scoundrels, what it is to hold up your hands is tell the gen-
tleman you had not enough to eat." Recollected being
whacked by Brown, the schoolmaster, the next day.
Crom-exanained by Sir F. Theeiger.—The whacking was
before he went into school on that day. Had often been
whacked before for not saying his lesson, and for reading
badly. Droset was not in the room when Brown beat him.
The questions which he had been asked about the boys at
Tooting were pat b 7 a gentleman whom he saw in the court.
The questions and answers were taken down in writing.
There was 'ZOOM gentlesaaa always with the person who
asked the questions.
Mr. Baron Platt.—How many times were you examined /
Witness.—Three times. Was in Holborn union work-
house now. Had plenty to eat and drink. Could not eat
more If they weft to him than he now had. Was better
fed there than at Droaet's. Had not enough to eat at
Tooting.
Mr. Baron Platt—How often have you meat now
Winter—Pies times a week ; and breed and a basin of
milk for breakfast.
Henry Hutehara ealled—Was fourteen rears old. Was
sent from Holborn Mika to Monet's. Was put amongst
the Mg boys. Kam Andrews. Had no opportunities of
keewin4 how the Uhl* boys were fed.
Mr. Berea Platt, to the persecuting rounael—Have you
ae direst ms of showing how the little boys are fed, Kr.
Clarkin ?

Clarkson—We are valuing our lostri.ctious, my lord,
in this examination.
Mr. Biros Platt—But it is my duty to see that the pri-
ma Me hir play.
CladiperDose veer lordship venture to think that
we ere pusule( iehk emus
Patrick area called @pia. —Was 11 roan of ago. Had
ben at swat' six months. Did not se how the little
boys wore treated then. Recollicted the gentlemen caming
dews to Testiug, aad asking if the boys Cad enough to eat.
Mr. pates Platt.—We have had all this evidence before

Kr. Cleskess.—l think it essential my lord.
Witawm—aesellealimil semething being dose to the boy'
after they halms wilted V they had enough to eat. One
boy_ was bom&
Theatre objected to this line of examination. It
was ohm Ike boy did not know how the little boys were

Mr.• Baron Platt remarked that the counsel for *ax=
masa ought to recollect the offence for which the p
was beift tried was punishable by transportation.
Mr. Minibus eenteeded that the evidence came strictly
within the rule laid down by the learned judge. The learned
beam had said it hod sot yet been shown that the little boys
were treated tie mime way that Andrews was treated beton
he wan removed from amongst them, and thereby* he was
Issued to show by &Baku that the treatment of the little
begs yew theses, se the Mg
boys; and It was clear the bid'
iati net enough to eat. He felt himself placed la •
predicament, bat he should not shriek from doing
SiT
g fairly.
F. had." Wilted open the objection be' had raised
ta the reemelso of the .diem which the learned judge bad
weer end over again ebeided was not fit to be received.
John Welsh recoiled.
Mr. Bares PlaU--You said that after November the little
boys had the ease food se the big boys ?—Yes.
How do you know that ?—I used to see the little boys in
their place, and knew what food they had.
Mr. Baron Platt—AU the evidence about food is confined
M three days, when they had not sufficient pudding.
Mr. Salentine obeerved that the question was necessarily
important, as upon it would depend whether the prisoner
wee entitled to call vitamins whom he bad from the same
establishment. Hers the death was said to be occasioned
through a particular coarse of treatment, epplimble to
Joseph Andrews. The question was whether the treatment
of Andrews up to a particular period had any direct relation
or effect upon his ultimate death. What bearing bad the
treatment of any mkt: boy on the establishment on the
treatment of Andrew, who was in • different part of the
estalaishasent ? Abelian; that there was a sweat a food sad
. salon It could
were be brought to beerhad CM the
relatiindividual
on to
fate death they inquiring, it no
she miler be kw.
Mr. M. Chembiee said that looking at the form of this
indisiment ho seals we avoid tendering this OTIIMIIO9 lee the
emialleratien et thejsry. It was not the soling meg a the
isstrudes el mes individual by an act which meted that ,
inikidwel slim; but it was the case of the Awernelien of •
anwise of ether& by the same means by whisk that ewe had
isalkeeed.
Mr. Baron Platt said that, if the counsel for the proem-
Men could in any way connect the treatment of Andrews at-
t.rwards with hie treatment in flay, then, unquestionably,
what took place in Msy became evidence. If at that time
• certain treatment as to clothing and food was observed, and
the attentien of Mr. Drouet was called to that treatment, he
would be responsible :f evil resulted from the continuance of
that treatment.
Patrick Sheen, examined by Mr. Chambers—Had not
enough to at when in the asylum.
Sir F. Thedger objected to this line of examination.
Mr. Baron Platt said that what counsel for the prosecution
was entitled to prove was, that Mr. Droned had nodes that
hie treehaent of the children was disapproved of by the guar- ;
dices. Me was not to ask • boy whether he had enough to a
me. One boy might eat ••pound of beef snake, while an- M
ether would be satisfied with an ounce. re
Mr. Chambers—Did you get more food after you had held 4
sp you hands ? It
Sir F. Thesiger agein objected to the form of the questions?
Mr. Chambers—Well, then, did the boys generally g a
more food?
Witness—Not as I know of. They did not get any more. r,
Sir F. Theeiger—l wish your lordship to take a partieu- t
ler note of this questioa.
Mr. Chambers (to witness)—Did you get bad potatoes ?
Yes, sir. What sort of clothes had you on when you went 6
to the asylum ?—I had good clothes, What was done with
rr
those clothes ?
Sir F. Thesiger—l object to the question. The point to 5
he @umlauted fa, whether there were any complaints made of 1
dm 'lulling, and whether in consequence of those complaints I
Mr. Drone made any alteration.
Mr. Baron Platt There is not the slightest doubt
that you must confine your evidence to the period when 3
Andrews was in the asylum.
Mr. Chamber (to witness)—Had you black potatoes in
November ?—I can't tell whether they were better or worse
then.
Mr. Baron Flatt—Can you tell the jury whether two
months before you left Tooting you had black potatoes 1—
No.
Henry Hartshorn examined by Mr. Clarkson—Was pre-
sent when the gentlemen came down. Said they had not
enough to eat. -Did Mr. Divest say an ?—No. There '
was nothing done to me after I had said so. William Drown
spoke to us, and I think the prisoner heard what he said.
Did not get additional food in consequence of holding up
our hands.
By Sir F. Theeiger—Where were you when the question
was put to the boys ?—ln the infant-school. How far was
Drouet from you when the question was asked ?—About half
the distance of this court.
By Mr. Clarkson—Did the gentleman ask the question
mon than once ?—No, sir. Drouet said the question was
not a fit one to be put to boys. Did not know the gentle-
man who put the question. The words were, " Have yon
enough to at ? As many as are not satisfied, hold up your
hands."
by Sir F. Thesiger—How many held up their hands ?
Si:. And how many were present?—Eighty. They did
not ask any other question.
By Mr. Baron Platt—Mr. Bayonet appeared to be offended
when he spoke.
Mr. Winch recalled and examined—l heard Mr. Drouet
say it was a very unfair question to ask the boys whether
they had had enough to eat ; and he added, I have a
character to lose.' Pointing to one boy in puticuler, he
(Dina) said, that that was the greatest liar in the saint.
I questioned a boy of the name of M'Dougal. Drouet saw
that I was asking questions, and he became violent on
finding that I persevered in putting interrogatories to them.
I declined to sign the ebbing book.
Mr. Baron Platt—Why did you not sign it ?
Witness —Because I had not finished my inspection ; but I
made • report to the board. On the 30th of May I visited
the establishment again, and found the potatoes of good
quality. Mr. Drouet then apologised to me far his former
rudeness, and took me to where the loaves were lying in the
1 pantry. I then saw a loaf cut into 16 pieces. The visiting-
I nook was then again presented to me to sign and I signed
it to the effect that I was reined with the food and general
arrangement of the establishments. I confined my approval
Ito that day. A longer resolution was signed by me after-
wards, believing it was similar to the one in the visiting-
beet.
Mr. Baron Platt—ls that your usual mode of doing busi-
ness?
Witness—Yes. When the loaf was cut into 16 pieces,
Mr. Drouet's brother told one of the boys to cot it up in the
venal way, and he did so.
' Cues-examined by Mr. Billantine—l am an ivory-dealer
at present, and have a shop. So far as I em concerned,
what the children have stated is not true. I never reduced
their evidence to writing, but as a guardian I have heard
them examined. It was Mr. Redding_ who asked the chil-
dren if they bad had enough to eat. The loaf that was cut
into 16 pieces was a 4 lb. one.
Mr. Baron Platt—That is 4 oz. each child. I find by the
pasted list of instructions that the older the child the more
bread he was to receive.
William Shaw Mays examined—l was present when the
boys were called upon to hold up their hands. Between 30
and 40 hands were held up, That intimated that they had
na had enough to eat. Mr. Drina was present, and heard
the answers of the boys. One boy said distinctly that he bad
not had enough of bread to eat. I went into the dining-room,
and saw • group of 14 boys standing round the end of the
table. They appeared to be covering up something in •
sloth. I examined the food before them, and found that it
was not meat but gristle. Mr. Drouet became vary sagry. He
last his temper, and said we were not fit to ensue the boys.
I inspected the ventilatioa of the building, and found the new
bedroom very hot and elms. It required better ventilation,
ma I said to Mr. Demist it might be improved by an iron
pub g and a thorough draft under the floors. He said, "It
I had to attend to every one's suggestion hero, I ahead
have nothing else to do '
Mr. Baron Platt—Did you examine to see whether there
were any gratings there ?
Witness—l did, and could not find any. One side of the
building consisted of a blank wall, in which there were no
windows. I told Mr. Deena that he had better put win.
dews in that side, and he said he wad not get such an im-
provement made. About 14 days after my first visit I went
Is the place a second time, and found the rooms in the
mane state as befbre. The dietary, however, was then much
better, and more attention was paid to the children. I can-
not my whether Kr. Droste had or had not any intimation
of my second visit. He certainly was not aware that I was
ping to pay my first visit to the establishment.
Cross-examined by Sir F. Theager—l did sot make an
entry Ia Mr. Demurs visiting book, but I stated it verbally.
We also made a report to the guardians. That is my excuse
her not making an entry in the elating book. I did not oh'
serve any ventilating holes opposite the windows. To the
best of my knowledge there were none. I made sufficient
observation of the place to be able to say whether there were
wgetilating holes or not, and I saw none.
Will you swear there were none ? I will swear that I saw
swat.
Bat having examined the room, will you undertake to
ruses there wen none ? I doswear there were none. I swear
she there were no gratings.
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As
ennui was proceeding to examine witness respecting the
state of this ward *end children in it,
Sir F. Maslen objected to it, as not bearing on the awe
effuses Andrews before the wart.
Mr. Chambers said, fa reply to the eourt, that he wished
to draw a era want a cars in the establishment.
Sir F. You west first show that James An-
drews was La the ward yea are now gong to examine
abut
Mr. chamben—l awl say whether Ise wee or not.