The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-19 00:00:00

'EKIAL PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF LORDEL—Faumi. Atm. 18.
The Logy Cituemenion took his seat at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
SECOND UISADINO9.-lurapike Acts. Co tinuanae ; Tithe Rent-
thou, he. (No. 2) (Ireland); Steam Nultatioe; Aiweedcweele
Manors Coo aileioners (Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster); Bo-
reactislnourpueauoa ; Psy ; Farmers'ElW Seeley (irtiene);
BBL.
COMMlTlEBe.—lnsolvent Debtors Conn; Money Order lie
(Past-olti,e); Register* of Segues (Scotland); Court f Juni.
Clary (Soothed); Ms.
PETITION.—By Lord REDESDALE, from Ashton-under-Lynes
against the Boroughs Incorperatiou
AFFAIRS OF ITALY.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE understood that the
noble and learned lard (Brougham) intended to move for a
document, dated 27th Sept., 1947, being a copy of the An-
swer of the Austrian government to Lord Palmerston on the
subject of the interference by Austria is the affairs of Sar-
dinia. Now he begged to say that he had not the least ob-
jection to lay that paper on the table, or any others which
might bo necessary to elucidate the whole subject.
Lord BROUGHAM mkt that was just what he expected
from the well-known candour of his noble friend. He had
seen the answer, and was sure it would be found to be a
satisfactory explanation of the conduct of Austria with refer-
ence to Sardinia; but he thought it desirable, with regard to
our relation with the north of Italy, with France, and for
the general peace of Europe, that the explanation
of Austria should be known, because it proved that
she had throughout respected the independence of Sardinia,
which was, in tact, her ally as well as our own. The noble
and learned lord proceeded to contend that it was the iw treat
of this country that Austria should retain her possessions in
Italy, and ridiculed the idea of an Italian federal govern-
ment, the states of that peninsula bane, as Dante had de.
scribed them, ax hostile to each other as they were diverse in
language, habits, and feelings. It might suit the purpoie of
the politicians of the French Wet to contend that Austria
should be weak; but it certainly was not the interest of this
country to so tier so. Railetski had shown himself as moderate
in victory as he had been enduring under defeat. lie had
refused to enter the Piedmontese territory, being
content to remain in Austrian Italy, whilst Charles
Albert had Mimi within his own dominions,
which he sever ought to have quitted. If we
interfered is favour of Italian nationality opine
Austria, had we no fear of sympathisers in Canada, Ire-
land, and India ? Charles Albert was as much a foreigner
as the Emperor of Austria ; the house of Savoy held Pied-
mont by treaty, obtained not by conquest but by fraud.
Charles Albert held Limnos by the treaty of Vienna, and
that treaty he hail violated by his invasion of the Austrian
territories. We were not called upon then to interfere on
behalf of that monarch : and we surely need not do so oa
say other grourd, because the Austrian yoke, as it was
tailed, was really a blessing to the Lembardians, for Austria
annually expended 2,500,0001.—equal to 5,00,0001. in this
country—on ouhlic establishments, principally schools, in
Lombardy. lie hoped nothing would happen to prevent
the success of the present negotiations.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE entirely concurred in
thinking that the answer of Prince Metternich to Lard Pal-
m rotors, to the despatch referred to of the 27th Sept., 1847,
was satisfactory as to the intentions of the government of
Austria. When that despatch of Lord Palmerston's was
written, a general apprehension, not confined to Italy, had
prevailed that there might be a disposition on the part of
Austria to interte:e with those reforms which were about to
be elev. loped in every state of Italy : and it certainly
was then most desirable to obtain a declaration
on the part of Austria that she would not interfere*
and the despatch of Prince Metternich was most satisfactory;
as far as en expression of opinion went. The part which the
British government had taken, and the principle which had
guided their conduct throughout, had not been a desire, as
noble lords seem: d to imagine, to interfere in the affairs of
Lombardy ; on the contrary, they had only shown a readiness
to do so whn called on by our allies, having no other object
in such interference but the preservation of European peace
brat)—and the motives and objects of the British
goveriimanr, he had the satisfaction to believe, had been
appreciated by those allies. The noble and learned lord
seemed to think that the British government had utinecosa-
rily interfered with the affairs of Lombardy ,
_• but, he re-
peated, they had only acted the part of a mediator when
requested to do so by our allies. The British government
had every reason to balievo that the French government
had entered on such mediation in the same spirit as England,
and in perfect good faith, the mutual object Ling to prevent
a war which would involve the whale of Europe. (Hear.)
The motion (alter a few words from Lord Mem:item in
rep))) was agreed to.
FARMERS' ESTATE (IRELAND) BILL.
The Earl of DEVON moved the second rending of this
bill, and explained its object to be to facilitate the sale of
land, and to enable persons of mall capital to obtain farms.
Lord BEAUMONT objected to the bill because it would
create not only a smell but insolvent proprietary.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE nail that the bill certainly
involved an unusual principle ; but it was :slid for by the
peculiar position of Ireland ; and although, like every other
measure, it might bo open to some objection, it would, he
was certain, confer muclapractical advantage upon Ireland,
The Earl of DhSART objected to some of the clauses,
especially that which gave the power to evict, and entitled
the evicted tenants to compensation.
The Earl of RODEN bi tiered the bill would add to the
' evils arising from the subdivision of land into small holdings,
and increase the amount of pauperism in Ireland.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE, in supporting the mea-
sure, said, that while he bad always bceu of opinion that
without the power to remove bad tenepte it was impossible
to improve property in Ireland, be thought, where tenants
we re evicted for the purposes of improvemen., it was but
reasonable that they should be fairly compensated.
Lord MONTEAOLE supported the principle of the bill,
but intimated that be should propose same amendments in
committee.
Lord REDESDALE suggested that tho power of pur•
chasing land should be limited to 20 years. He thought,
too, there would be a practical eitliculty in workieg the
clause which limited the allotmente.
The Earl of GLENG ALL, be:ieeing that the bill could
nester be brought practically into operation, would not oppose
it. The great evil in Ireland was the tendency to subdivide
holdings, which, when leases were granted, it was impossible
—take what precautions you might—to prevent.
The hill was then read a second time. ,
Their lordships adjourned at 8 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, Auo. 18.

The Brzes-vit took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

REPORT.—City of London Sewers Bill.
THIRD READINGS.—Jervisio Divorce ; Lngard'e Divoree;
LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED.--Mancheracr, Buxton,
Matlock, and Midlands Junction Railway (dSevSiation and branches) Bill.
PUB BINE.
PETITIONS.—Mr. HUME, from Odd Fellows of Middleton and Hey-
wood, Lancaohire, ugainst the Provident &Menu Bill ; from inhabit-
ants of South% old, Suffolk, complaining of encroachment,' on the har-
bour; from (mai@ Householders of Edinburgh, complaining of the
royalty tax, which Is paid for the maintenance of the establisher.
church ; irons the editor of the North BMW, Mat, complaining of
his property being seived, and praying (er an inquiry.—Mr. AN DER.
SON, from Orkney, praying for compensation to certain seamen on
that port.—Mr. G. CRAW, from an individual whose name was oat
heard, complaining of a charge of high treason being vexatiously pre-
, famed against him.—Lord U. STUART, from Odd Fellows, praying
fire the extension of the benefit society laws to their order.
' COMMlTTEE.—Wolverhampton Curacy Bill.
REPORT.— Controverted Elections BBL
THIRD READlNGS.—Eccleshatical Patronage Suits Compromise
(Ireland) ; C0U11110124 tack-sore (N 0.2); Petty Bog tea. Offices ; Bilks
NOTICES OP MOTION.—Ton °savors—Mr. ANDERSON,
early next scaslon, to move for the appointment of a selmt committe.
to inquire into certain grievances under which the inhabitants 0
the,e is:ands labour.
601,11W0L1, (HOME, to more for a oommitteeto
inquire info the encroachments ou this harbour.
SUPPLY.—MISCELLANEOUS ESTIMATES.
The house then went into committee of supply, and the
following votes were agreed to :
1,0001. for law charges and incidental expenses in the office
of the solicitor to the treasury.
4,6001. for Mint prosecutions.
6.0001. for sheriffs' expenses and deficiency of feu.
10,6301., salaries and expenses of insolvent commissioners.
33,4751. for law expenses in Scotland.
46,9911. for expenses of criminal prosecutions in Ireland.
348,0001. for charges formerly paid out of the county rate.
6,1,151. for the Parkhurst prison.
9.2041. for the Pentonville prison.
29,3141. for the Millbank prison.
4,7071. for the Perth prison.
6791. for the convict depot at Dublin.
4,2021., expenses of Bethlehem Hospital.
10,2501, salaries and expenses of mepectors of prisons in
Scotland and Ireland.
151,0001. for the convict establishments at home, at Bari
muds, and at Gibraltar.
In answer to Mr. Heim, as to what was to be done with
the convicts at home,
Sir G. GREY was understood to say, that there were some
alterations in contemplation.
Cal. DUNNE said the number of convicts in the county
gaols in Ireland last year was so great that fever had ensum.t.
Sir 0. GREY said the increase of convicts had nor arises
so much from the alteration in the system of transptrtatior
as from the iiicreue in the number of pereone convicted. But
arrangements were in progreu for remeebing the evie com-
plained of.
Mr. OSBORNE said it was clearly established that the
discuntinuance;of transportation had had a most demoraligne
effect on the gaols. The reports of their condition were most
shocking.
Sir 0. GREVB reply was not heard in the gallery.
Mr. OSBORNE complained of lunatics being kept in the
gaols in Ireland.
Sir G. GREY said:this was owing to the absence of proper
lunatic asylums in Ireland.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE was understood to hold out hopes
of relief from Rome measure that was in contemplation.
Mr. HUME referred to Cart. Maconochie's system, and
said it was impossible to reform prisoners when gathered
together in 'area bodies.
Mr. POW Eft complained of the inconvenience resulting
from the over crowding of the gaols in Ireland.
Sir G. GREY said the visiting justices had the sole con-
trol of the gaols.
Sir D. NORREYS referred to a can where some indivi-
duals had committed a larceny, for the sake of getting trans-
ferred from the workhouse to the gaol, on account of the
superior dietary of the latter.
16,3001, for the metropolitan police establishment.
217,0001. convict establishments in New South Wales and
Van Diemen's Land.

NATIONAL EDUCATION.
On a vete of 125,000/. for public education being propoaed,
Viscount MSLOUND said he had placed on the paper the
following resolutions:
not, until of late yearn persona of every denomination were in the
habit of rending their children to the national established 'cheats of
**Aland, without prejudge to the religious principles of any. That,