The Express.
London, England, 1851-06-27 00:00:00

CU %BITABLE TRUSTS BILL.

The I.oltll (11A3i(31.11.1.0117in mitriwr the order of
the .1 .y for the second residing of th.s hill, said he need not
necupy their lordships time in endeavouring to imprests on
th.ir minds the importance of thin hill, and the necessity
which existed for some legislation on the subject. That
legislatiim, however, would be attended with great diffi-
culty. Th., subject had been under the consiileration of
;wham. ut for nearly seventy pars. In 17*.; returns with
reference to it were ordered by parliament from
all ete clerks of the peace in the kingdom. They
rate:tiled, however, but very little attention until
his wild.. :Ind le trued friend (Lord Brougham) moved for a
rum-litter on the subject in 1106. Since that time there
had Is t n fire weird rontruishism., one of whom was now
matins.. Foor of thse,c commissions hof M_-en under the
uuthority of pirliainent, and the last had been wider the
sign MRlll3llOl' her Majesty. That C/1111.71i,i,11l hail hal to
certain reports on the subject of charities. rising full and
important information as to many of them. It appeared
that there were t 4,810 charities in the kingdom which hail
been the subject, more or leas, of this inquiry. Of these,
there were 1:1,0110 and upwards the income of which was
less than M. per year; there were 1,000 under lftsf. a year;
and there were considerable number., varying from 4010
to 4,010, under 11101. a year. The importance of calling at-
tention to the income of these rharitien arse principally
from the necessity, which often ireoirred, of litigation,
in order to wenre their due administratiim; for it must be
evident that, in eh:with:ulna/10r 41. year, the rspense of any
legal inquiry would absorb the income of Awl charities fur
some year.. Th. Visit commission, which had presented
two reports, consisted of three members of their lord-
ship"' house, three members of the House of t'ommotts,
master in clianci ry, a barrister. and the secretary.
The report of the roniniission on this subject was one of
great fullness sari Ability ; and hinsse IMO various bills hail
been brought forward, *one /if thetas stir:owing to the biter
Marv', hut Noise suisectaling in being passel. (Inc bill in-
trorlsw,3l in 1814 hail heen yearied by their lordship., ;111.1
hunt down to the Hooke of Commons; but the ministers of
this illy n.prehential that the important, imperative buss . si
of the sorhsion was so great that the, ilia nut think it de-
hirable, in that heshion, to procted with the measure. lie
hal now to state the characteristic" of the bill which 110
waked their lordships to read a second time, and he must
nay that if this bill, to which as much attention hail been
Riven, anti /111 which an much (ATP had been bertowisl, did
ant meet with approbation, the coucluhion would he, after
hammy attempts, that it would be impahsilile to legislate
ou the hulijoet at all. 'the report of the late commisuicsu
bad fully demonstratisal the absolute necessity which
esisted for wine central control and superinteedence over
charities. (The noble and learned lord here in-
Mane.' numerinis causes of abuse in this administration

of charitable trusts.) This bill proposed that there should
be a permanent ; and it was thought that the
esistenee of such a hotly would prevent more than half the
evils of which compliant was now made. Ity proper con-
trol the property of the charities might he incelealtaly in.
crews'. In ITsto the property who worth only tili,oof. By
a certain amount of control it had now layout' 1,200,001 W.:
and he was satisfied that bye proper sysb in of supervision
it would lor iocreaa.l to the extent of 100,000/. more. The
power whin la he proposed to give to the csounsissioners was
enesiderable. They would have power to institute in-
quiries; to call for accounts; to indemnify trustees Mr act-
Inc, in certain caws before the order of the tumnaissionen
was made out ; and to certify to the Attorney General
inch CAWS for prosecution as might call for his interference.
Cases of charities under a certain amount a year were to be
referred to the county court to he administered: and, in
the event of my doubt. arising as to the derision .1* the
County Court Judge, the COITIMi•SI,011.1 would hive the
power to grant on appeal. In other ens s power would he
given to commence proceedings directly before a Master in
Chancery. Effectual will
was di-ode fur the auditing
of the nssolints. The hill provided that trustees shall re-
tort, an annual account of their ro cripts and disburse-
anent., and that a copy shall he transmitted to the clerk of
the pears and to the County Court, to Ile open, in both in •
et 41101.4, to public insp.-non. The couimi.gaimeno were
annually to lay their account. Bud a report of their pro-
weber. heron- both bones of parliament. The board was
to consist of Nye commissioners. The ea 1a11.1.1 of the cum-
miiaion wore to be defray.' in a very simple manner. No
charity ander M. a year would be mitered to pay
anything towards these expenses. Charities above
10/. sere to he toyed at the rate of twopence in the
pound; and that, according to the estimate which
had lees made, would return a runt of 8,100/. • year. The
jurisdiction of the bill was clear. It was proposed to inter-
fere only with permanently endowed charities. In the
caws of charities maintained by ordinary voluntary sub-
scriptions there would his no interference whatever, such
chanties adequately controlled by the subecribers.
bird Boon la t and Reaxbrr warmly supported
the principle of the measure, without coirmsitting them-
selves se to the

After ease ohrrrr.ttions from the Ertl of CHICHI...4'IEIZ
mod the LOUD CHANCIELLUS,
Tbr WI was mod • owed tim,, and flirt/ Irrtlihips
eslJoureed •t • quarter pea 7 o'clock.

ROUSE OF COMMONS.—Tits liantY, iums 26.
The Sea sato Wok the chair at 12 'ideals.
I'ItIVATE BUSINESS.
The Athawes* Estates Bill and the Christ's Hoomital
Estate Bill were severally rvad • third time and paned.
THE sr. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION BILL.
—TIIF. MORNING SITTINGS.
On the ardor of the day for the third reading of the St.
Alh m. ILA.______

Mr. ERE '''' complained that a motion which he in-
truded to m tke b,en superwided by the bill of the hon.
nwenber for St. Analrew••.

The SI'EAKER cap' tined that the moruiug sittings wore
latesiled ter the convenience of government busine.. but
it did not tallow that a private member was not at liberty
to place ■ bill of Ilia own among the orders of the day. Ilad
the hem. member taken this coon his bill would have come
on in its proper.placc.
Mr. ItEWLN soil if his bill Jul not have premiznee
Ile .to.uhl move that the order of the day be postponed.
After a few wont front Mr. Stt-alat,
Sir O. OItEY said the bill in question of the hon. member
for St Andrew's affect.. the purity of election., and there-
fore the house ought to hove every fachity granted of push-
ing forward such a bill.
Mr. ti. BANKES considered it would be highly in.leeo-
mut to proe..l with the bill, as there were so few members
present.
After tome further discussion the niation was declared
withdrawn. and the debate was 'mated on the question of
the third re tiling.
Mr. C. lIA h.ES tlonietht the bill ought not to b e pressed
forward until it hail received Nether consideration, and
until hon. members knew what it contained.
Sir O. (.I(EY said, on far from hon. members not know-
ing what was in the bill, the hill had been moat amply
discussed. and hail twice gone through comutittctr of the
house.

After a few words from Mr. El.Lter.. jun.,
Captain HARRIS tuid thi se inquiries were mere farces,
aa4 it was impossible the country could have any eoafi.leuee
is the notate.

Mr. G. BASHES objected to Or lane before the house,
r an lane unfortunate for the thareeder of al=
After nespitulating his objections to Me be
that was needed ; but he objected to the sods
whisk tt ry was to be preeseled. and Id did ket
Ark Se wane now pursued woe worthy of bring oda-
bibbed as a precedent. Hvefurtlker__ *Mod to the powers
while well to be vested in'tbe tribehal which would hare
earinet the inquiry ; and that was one substantial reason
whiddrineed kir to object to the third reading of this
bill. Ms bM was so drawn up as not only to affect the
mend member, but to toach every member who had pre=
reedy sat for St. Alban's. He was sure, whatever might
be the &teas of the bill in that house, that it would not
Er is egarew place. He had done his duty opposing
and. without raising any surmise against any one,
be would say Me bill was a strong meow. to send to the
House of Leeds, considering the power that was to be con-
ferred on the parties nominated for the commission. He
would eftly eensent to bring parties accused before their
arum is spa court, and as the bill did not give that mi-
nt?the seerall, Ise must oppose the pill on its third
Titania@ which ho thought the preferable mode
I=s eptei la this ease was to appoint a commission of
remebees of parliament rather than a commission of
=lf this were done the objects of particular persons
e defeated, and justice would have a chance of being
attained. He should move that the bill be read a third time
that day Sit months.
Mr. HENLEY wished the hon. member for St. Andrew's
to state whether he intended the decision of this commission
to be law. After stating several objections to the provision
of the bill the hon. and learned member said ho further ob-
jected to the bill because it was intended to conduct the
inquiry in private, and because no security was taken against
the publication of privileged professional communications.
The professional man, it was true, was protected, but not
the client. This was an obvious injustice, which ought to
be remedied. If the bill went out of the house with that
provision in it, there was another house in which he hoped
the matter would be set right.
Mr. ELLICE, Jun., said the amendment had been care-
fully considered, and had been brought in because the com-
miaten, in the case of the borough of Sudbury, had proved
abortive, on account of the want of the powers now sought
to be obtained. Ile was willing to put words into the bill
which would give the protection required by the hon. and
learned member.

Mr. STUART considered that the bill bad a laudable
object in view. It was to prevent bribery, and to punish
the authors of it. But then the house must proceed in a
constitutional and in a regular way; otherwise, so far
from good being done, injury only would be the result.
The house was called upon to legislate, because the
committee appointed to inquire into the merits of the
petition against the present sitting member had failed in
their object. The object of this bill was to re-open the
inquiry, and to do that which the committee had failed to
accomplish. The bill had, however, gone the wrong way to
work. It proposed to establish a tribunal of three commis-
sioners with inquisitorial powers and in total defiance of
the constitutional privileges and liberties of the subject.
lie would appeal confidently to the legal advisers of the
crown to state whether a tribunal so constituted was a con-
stitutional tribunal ? What was the precedent fur this bill?
Not the Sudbury viep, though it had been 10 asserted at first.
There was no prevalent to be found, except at a period of
the history of this country when we ought not to resort fur
precedents at all. Ho would call attention to the
petition that had been presented on the 17th of the present
from Mr. Gresham, of St. Albans, a member of the
Society of Gray's Inn, and a respectable solicitor, well
known in the prior...ion of the law, and also a voter in the
borough, and therchire a man interested in the question
which it had lseeu confessed had not yet been tried by the
committee. Gresham said in his petition that, as
he had been informed and believed, Henry Edwards had
been fur years post actively concerned in bribing electors
and in purchasing votes fur money in the borough That
petitioner believed that a full investigation could not be
hail without the elamination of the said !leery Edwards,
and that the disgrace and ignominy attached to the electors
of the borough could never be ebliterateil or removed until
the said Henry Edwards be examined, or if he was allowed
to withdraw himself from the jurisdiction of the house.
Let the house cousider the position of Mr. Gresham, as an
elector of the borough, stigmatised with others by the re-
port of the committee. Surely Mr. Gresham felt this
ignominy, and that he, with the other honest electors of the
borough, was disgraced ; and surely it could not he denied
that he and those others ought to have the opportunity of
Acing examined before the commissioners, and stating
what they kuew of this Mr. Henry Edwards and
his coadjutors. But it would be purely in the discretion
of the commissioners whether or rod Mr. Gresham would
be allowed to utter a syllable before them. Would any
man say it was deceit or e insistent with the rights of the
honest part of the electors of St. Albans that a commission
with such powers should be constituted ? Ile said fearlessly
that it was unconstitutioual and unprecedented. Mr.
Gresham had stated that he was of whig politics, and
he did not wish to take an open part against this bill, or in
opposing the government; but if the house wished to guard
the liberties of the people they would not invest any act of
commissioners with the power of proceeding ex pane and
with no proper judicial functions to perform; because no
judicial functions could be exercised unless the accuser and
defender were before the tribunal. The boo. chairman of
tae committee had avowed that he was not a lawyer,
hut that he had framed the bill under the advice
of the law officers of the crown. That being so
it was a pity those lion. and learned gentlemen were not
present to explain th. ir pirt in the drawing of the bill.
The measure aunulled not only the professional privilege,
but every other privilege, and put the commissioners be-
yond all the rules by which BUCII pruceed lap had always berm
regulated. Ile hoped that his hon. friend would divide the
house. The people of England ought to kris v how many
members were present, and who they were who voted for
such a measure as this.

The house then divided
For the third reading
For the amendment l6 —2l
The bill was then real a third time and passed.
NEW BILLS.
.....

Mr. BOUV ERIE mired for and obtained leave to bring
la the four following .—I. Bill to continue an act to
amend the laws relating to loan societies. 2. Bill to con-
Unite an set for authorising the application of highway
rates to public roods. 3. Bill to continue the exemption of
inhabitants from liability to be rated us such in respect of
stock in trade. 4. Bill for further continuing certain tem-
porary provisions ruucerning ecclesiastical jurisdiction in
k:ntdrand.
The above bills were severally rend a first t:me, and or-
dered to be read a getout! time on 31unday.
The house then suspended its sitting at a quarter before
two o'clock until five.
T 1 w house re-assembled at 5 o'clock.
NAVAL llETlltliM ENT.
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Sir DE L. EVANS begged to ask the First I.ord of the
Admiralty whether the following descriptions of service
were intended to count in completion of the six years' cum.
sand of rated ships afloat proposed to be required for being
on the active hat in the new scheme of naval retirement—
VIA.: 1. Service on the coast guard under the Treasury.
2. As superintendents iP hospitals and victualling yards.
3. As superintendents of packet service. 4. As commanders
of ships in ordinary, not being sea-going ships, though no-
miludly in commission
Sir F. DARING replied that it was intended the service
ou the coast guar.' .could count, but that in the other de•
partmenta to which the hon. and gallant member referred
it should not.
LAND TAX.

Mr. STANFORD asked theChaucellor of the Exchequer
whether it was the intention of her 3loje.ty*, government,
' having, by a recent ileci.ion in the courts of sw, judicial
authority for an equoli-ition of the land no in all dial-
14011A, to introduce some general measure for putting the
land tan on a fair and equitable footing, it bring ascer-
tained, by careful calculation., that an equal pound rate
to be hoed at lid. in the pound, and excluding the redeemed
portion. would produce un incmse to the revenue of ut
least 1,000,000/. a year.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the legal decision to which the host, member had referred
gate certain powers to the consmiasioacrs which they might,
it they thought proper. coercive. It was not at present in•
tended by government to introduce a measure on the sub-
ject.

BRITISH MUSEUM.
Mr. HUME had to ask the right hon. gentleman (Sir G.
Orcy) whether any arrangements had been made, or were
making, for carrying out the recommendation of the royal
commwhm as to the future management of the British
Museum by a small executir, hoard
Sir U. OBEY replied that uo measures had been taken
to carry oat the recommendations of the royal commission
as to the management of the Museum in future by a small
executive beard.
Mr. HUME felt himself e died upon t 3 protest against
the way iu which such institutions were managed, and par-
ticularly when the public money was regularly Toted for
their support.
WOODS, rouEsis, &c., BILL.
Viscount Dt NCAN wished to know from the noble lord
at the head of the government whether it was his inten-
tion to take the committee on this bill that evening, and if
ant, whether he would name an early day on which the
discussion on the bill might take place.
lard J. RUSSELL did not intend to bring on the
Wo ids and k'orests Bill that evening, and could out at that
time name the day when it would conic on.
FINANCIAL MEASURES.
Sir DE L. It \SS having put a question to the hon.
member for Buckinghamshire, with regard to the resolu-
tions of which be had given notice,
Mr. DISRAELI said, I understand the hon. and gallant
gentleman to etuire the rut:a:tin; of the resolutions which
I hare put on the table of the hour. What I intend, if
the oppatuoity be aft oiled me, is to more these resolutions
'on Monday next. On thet day, if I eujoy that occasion, I
will, with the utonat be. city I eau command, explain these
resolutions to the lion. and gallantgentlenum. (Laughter.)
Lard J. RUSSELL stat:d that it was the intention of
eau-lament to proceed with the Customs Bill and the
nous.. Tait Bill on Monday neat. Ile understood there
was an amendment to be pureed on the Customs Bill.
Was lie correct in kis impression that the bon. member for
Buckinghamshire intended to propose his resehrtioos on the
House Tax Bill ?
Mr. DISRAELI said his hon. friend the member for
Iluntingibitshire had given notice of an amendment in re-
f-enlace to the Customs Bill, and it would not. therefore, be
for him (Mr. Disraeli) to brim: on his umenclinent, except
un the second huancial measure of the aocernment, and of course the noble lord war quite correct in thinking that bids
(Mr. Disraeli's) resolutions would be brought Forward OR
the House Tax Bill.

iiii773OARD OF FISHERIES,
Mr. ANDERSON pen notice of a motion on this sub-
ject.

ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL.
IIefEBSIINELV rive nodes that on the third read-
ing of A►.EcelwAAied Then Ateeetepties WI Ise Weald
vestiO bellsigsat:tteelszipe
tydiaffnelinsisfres the
ewno
of sad Om in the event of the new clause
to he wield then move the exclusion of the
meld disuse ken the bill.
MEGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES BILL.
On the notion of Sir 0. GRIT this bill was read a first
time, and the second reading was axed for Friday fortnight.
SCHOOLS SITES BILL.

Sir G. GRETixoS;iati first reading of this bill, which
was agreed to.
.'lllO second reading was fixed for Tuesday next.
DANISH CLAIMS.

On the question that the house go into committee of
r. ROEBUCK. rose to move a resolution on the sub-
! 4/et of the Danish claims. Ile wished to ascertain from the
Chancellor of the Exchequer the grounds on which he ob-
jected to these claims. By Danish claims he did not mean
foreign claims, but the claims on the part of British mer-
chants for the loss they had sustained in 1807, in conse-
quence of the conduct of the British government. At that
time England had been desirous of striking a blow at the
power of Napoleon, and in order the more effectually to
manage that point, every means had been taken to prevent
English merchants from understanding what the govern-
ment were about to do. The merchants had been solicited
to go to the Baltic. They had asked if they would be safe
in going there, and they had received assurances that they
were perfectly safe. A large number of them proceeded to
the Baltic under that impassion, and a considerable
amount of property had been sent to the Baltic
and to Denmark. cry soon after the fleet had been
sent to the Baltic, and on the 14th of August
the troops were landed under Lord Cathcart and Admiral
Gambier, and Copenhagen was bombarded. An embargo
had been then laid on Danish vessels, and no Danish vessel
was allowed to depart from an English port. In the mouth
of November too, of the same year, England chase to con-
fiscate all the property, on which the embargo had been
laid, This property, which had amounted to about three
millions, had been taken by the crown, and had not been
distributed as prize money, as would have been the casa
had there been at this time a regular declaration of war.
The Danish government had then retaliated, and had con-
fiscated the property of English merchants, and
respecting that property he (Mr. Roebuck) now
appealed to the honour and justice of the house
of Commons. The property thus seized had been
divided into three separate parts, property on shore, book
debts, and property afloat. The two first had been paid,
but the last had not. Ships floating an the waters appeared
to be peculiarly matters of prey, and England had, it ap-
peared, considered she was not bound on any principle of
international law or common justice to pay her own subjects
for the loss they had in this matter sustained. Ile held that
from the circumstance of the English government having
deceived their own merchants, they were bound to make
good the loss. These claims had been adjudicated upon, and
they amounted to 221,000/. Ile now asked the house simply
to adhere to their former decision, and say that the mer-
chants who lost their property ought even at this late hour
to he paid. The hon. and learned gentleman concluded by
moving, " That on Wednesday next this house will resolve
itself into committee to consider an address, praying that her
Majedy will be graciously pleased to take into consideration
the report bearing date the 12th of May, 1810, made by the
committee to whom it was referred, to examine into the
claims of certain British subjects for losses sustained by the
seizure and confiscation of their ships and cargoes in 1807,
by Denmark; and that her Majesty will be graciously pleased
to advance to the said merchants the amount of their losses,
the house assuring her Majesty that they will make good
the same."

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER resisted
the motion, orguituz that no ground had been shown for
burdening the people of this country with a sum of
2Li,0001. to make gaol claims for which there wns no foun-
dation. The real question was, whether at the time the
seizure was made by the Danes war existed or not; and he
showed that the actual existence of war was avowed by the
goecrnment of Denmark on the Pith of August, 1807,
whereas the that seizure had not been made until a week
afterwards. Under these circumstances, the act hiving
been e- in acemslance with the of civilised

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nations the claims could not be entertained.

Colonel SIBrIIOIIP supported the motion. He said it
was nev^.r too late to just. Several governments had
refused the, claim• before, and each government supported
the other its continuing to refuse them, on the prmeiple
of " You aerates me, and I will scratch you." (Laughter.)
The pious= then divided:
For the motion
Against it 126-77
SUPPLY.

The house then went into committee of supply.
The first vote was ;1,130. fur the expenses of the foreign
department.
After a few observations front Mr. Wit.u.tais and Mr.
Hunt:, who complained of the largeness of one of the
item•, 2:1,1kX)/. for Queen's messengers and extra couriers,
the vote was agreed to.
The next vote was .53,600/., for Privy Council-office and
Board of Trade.

Mr. said he had been anxious to bring lallere the
house the conduct of the colonial department r .petting
Demerara, having been a member of a committee up stairs
wind' recommended several reforms, and having presented
a petition two months ago from that colony, complaining
that government did not extend to them the principles of
self-government. It was a notorious fact that the colonial
department was at variance with every one of our colonies.
Ile wished to know whether anything had been done with
regard to Demerara?
Mr. lIAWES said he believed there had been a consi-
derable extension of the suffrage in Demerara, and it was
mainly to that point to which the committee to
which the honourable gentleman referred directed its
attention. Ile had always understood, and the
house had recognised the distinction, that where there

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were two races, a coloured race and a white race, the former
of which had long been subject to the latter, it was not ex-
pedient to give great political power to the coloured race.
Besides the extension of the franchise, there hail been a
large reduction of expenditure, which was anotha. of the
points to which the committee directed its attention. Both
these important measures had been carried out with great
ability by the present governor. As the colony progressed
in intelligence, it might be desirable to extend the franchise
more to the coloured population, but in their present state he
was not inclined to iuvest them with an overwhelming share
of political power.
Mr. ACME said he would bring the matter before the
house in the fullest manlier possibl, at the earliest moment.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained there was a continuous
increase in the expenditure under this particular head.
Mr. LABOCCIIEIIE admitted there was, but contended
that it was unavoidable.
In reply to a question put by Mr. II ustg,
Mr. LAIIOUCIIEItE replied it would not be advisable
the merchant seaman registering. It was considered ex-
pedient to trace the seaman, and he knew no better possible
manlier than that which at present existed.
Mr. 111:ME observed that the seamen of the United
States were furnished with certificates of citizenship.
Therefore, he contended they were placing the British sea-
man on a ditferent footing, much to iris discontent; and for I
that reason he was in favour of reducing the vote.
After a few words from Capt. lIISURIS
Mr. LABOUCHERE, in reply to Mr. Hume, admitted
that the system was open to objection. But the Mercantile
Marine Bill, whilst cheeking, would facilitate the system of
registration, rail render it more correct than before.
Sir U. I'ECIIELL thought it far better that they should
rely on good treatment towards their seamen, increasing
their pay as also their comforts, for the maiming of their
fleets in time of war than to any system of registration.
After a few words front Mr. Trelawney, Mr. Henley, Mr.
Labouchere, and Mr. Hume,
Sir J. GRAHAM said that when he introduced the
measure for the registration of seamen 17 years ago, he re-
prated it ea subsidiary to other.ineasures, and as a means of
getting rid of the objectionable system of impressment. lle
had contemplated a measure for that purpose, but his atten-
tion being confined to another department he bad not had
the opportunity to mature it. lle considered a well arranged
system of registration of seamen absolutely necessary, the
more so since the repeal of the navigation laws.
The vote was then agreed to.
2,000/., salary of the Lord Privy Seal.
After a few words from Mr. W. WILLIAMS and the
CHANCELLon of the Exenriaera in reply,
Mr. LICME suggested that the Lord Privy Seal might
exercise a sort of surveillance over the courts of justice, and
act as a minister of justice. Such en office would be worth
a much higher salary.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that duties of that kind would
b • much better discharged by the Lord Chancellor thus
any other minister. Hitherto his duties had been so ex-
tremely onerous that he could not spare time for the pur-
pose ' but by the bill recently brought in it was hoped tic it
the Lord Chancellor would be able to perform that class of
duties which had been pointed out by the late Lord Lang-
dale as necessary.
Mr. HOME aid not think tort Lord Chancellor ought to
be called on to perform those duties. New courts were
about to created, and it would be most important that
they should be properly superintended.
Mr. BRIG H protested aitainst these votes after the evi-
dence taken by the committee on official salaries last year.
now that the pressure was in a degree withdrawn, the uoblo
lord declined to effect the reduction, reeumntended. This
held out no inducement to hon. members to act on select

Lord J. Hl' SSE LL said he had adopted many of the re-
commendations of that cummi:tee, perhaps more than his
own judgment approved. He believed that the reduction
lof 4,000'. or 6.0007. a year which had been made would be a
loss to the country.
Mr. BRIGHT said there were three of Lord
Privy Seal, the Master of the Mint, and the Paymaster of
the korces—whose duties were notoriously small.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the ottlee of Paymaster of the
Farces had been united with that of Vice-President of the
Board of Trade, and the two were held by Lord Granville.
After some further conversation the vote was agreed to.
The vote was agreed to.
21,7001. salaries and eantingvnt expense's of the office of
Paymaster-General.
After a brief explanation from the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER, in answer to questions from Mr. Mune and
Mr. W. William., the tote was agreed to.
6,1791., salaries and expenses in the department of the
Comptroller-General of the Exchequer.
Colonel SIBTHOILP complained of a uoble lord is
another place (Monteagle) being " pitcliforked " into
this sinecure, fur which he received 2.0001. a year. Ile
He should propose an address to her Majesty, praying that
the office should be abolished.
1 MX. JiI:ME &liked it any regulations had been laid down