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alliimia.per wt. DIRT PAW.
19.74010, P.b4rn.4.43 Od
Taw &Grey ... 47 0..19 0
Plea 3O 0
wt. 9104914902, bre
T4llO. .9 0...42 0
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rm. 33 41...37
800o13t31der,A 3$ 0_44 0
Tim Y 0...31 0

W 1100
32 0...30 o
Pena" brows.— II 0...47 0
Tenver 49 0..30 0

Greg NY white- 32
amend, Hombre IS 0...70 •
lamps 64 0..46 0
w. 4 C444:4,ats Bond.
wiry LS 0... 40 0
00041
70 0 .123 0
01250 n, good wa-
rn .. . 400.420
Am 4;46;4 46 6... 46 0
Tim 66 0... 70 0
tottae6 togas'6 0...68 0
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sod P _ _

dew — —24 0... 36 0'
'I ea, .t per lb.
Ocagen, common- 0 0 ... 0 111
Ram at per eat.
Bengal wl,te l7 C.. 00 01
Cargo l6 1... 17 01
lava lb 0... 17 0 1
Patna l7 0 IS 0
Carolina 3O 0... U 01

Rani at per ea—
Leeward island
Prot $ ..
Downirs, $ to
31 per east.
Jarnaien, 10 It; 34
par cant O.P. 4 10 ...
Parosuite marts b a ... I
Brandy, lit brands & 3 ...
British.** d.p. II 0 ... 0
Scotch .......
Irish _ ll 0 ... 0

Pus, per ton.
R/
Pnsabsrg, S
p,P.T.S.. FIT 0...54 0
head 0 0... 0 0
Dutch and Man& 53 0 SS 0
Friesland

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Bombay l3 0. 33 0
Jute

Tut, at per awt.
Bases 97 0..99 0
Straits
Cam In block. IS 0... 0 •

Isom, at per am.
.V 1)• ea 01

74, 543
9,174,343
312,252
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QUINT.
1.1.4111. I. tO 9._ 0
Help. ll 10... 0
Carpi MCertlif bar 9 0...0
Swath 11 10... •
LOAD, at per tea.
pl 6, Eaa{ ls 13. ..19
19 10...20
liars 22 0... 0
Patent abet 2l 0, 0
red or salalma
OMMer MI ..2I
OWN par 232 lam. QMO. d.p. I
Pleb, esal, pia 3s 0... 0
aI•W 33
breve & yellow 2s 0.. 32
91 O. 0
=Matter 9l 0... 0
0:41 .
SeutiBea..
. 27 0...19
Oilve,Oallipoll,peen 33 0... 0
Coe= Nut 47 0...46
8084 REM Pda,
Unwed 27 0... r
POOVIWOM, TOR OWL
BaMer—Cork, le 24 0...00
Bid • • •
Ird 0 0... 0
Doblin,ll4 0 0.. 0
Lam a& do NI 0.. N
Carlow, let
Nezry.43l ...... • 0... •
76 a 80
Beef, Ind* pm
tierce
Prime Meet • 0... 0
Fork, setae meas._ 13 • _ •
Baas-Pork, Lark t es• 0 •
Do., Safest t
Mem, Waterford,
&Tata. 70 8...73 •
63 0..61 0
Lard,Belfut,prfes 04 0,,,51 •
Waterford, do
Ditto Bladder
American —.— 14 0..93 •
Hum, Os end Coe, at per la
B. A. and M. Video,
=led 5.0 date.. 6 Q7l
0 4 . .0 44
Brazil, dry 0 . 0
Drmalted 0 11 .0 3IDI
lito, dry 0 4f 0 6
Lima & Valp. dry 0 3 -.0 6
West lea* i... 0 •
Wad • .0 44
East Lida 0 1 ...0 Ili
tilit.ll.,Aze, dry 42:
8. Ataer.Horee, par
Bide $ • 18 •
llama, ditto 6 6...10 6
Dye Wotan at per tea.
1 ,Janialca...es 0... • O
70:011310 ...... 3 10— 3'5
Carapeacay ...
rata, Jamaica 6 0.- • 0
Nicantreedarge and
aood. r 3 0..
0 0.
Lima 13 0. 17 19
Same IO 10 18 •
amdere 3 0... 6 19

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TALLOW. —The matkot is without alteration.
Petersburg Y. C. oa the spot, 495. 3d.; all the year
delivery, 455. 6d. to 465. 9d.

HOPS.— BOROUGH MARK ET. OVIOCk.—.
Mows. Pattenden and Smith, Hop Factors, report there is
no alteration in prices or dosarnd.
NM* Rut Keats, p.evn. M. •to4l • Ir4artim Kroh. p. 31. Ito 11. •
Weald 43 114. a „ 4to 1 • Twits( Morn- 13 to 311
...... „ 15 la 4 • 041114”.. 1 15 tea 1
?anima • I 148 •
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BASINGSTOKE, APRIL 14.—Here, in the vicinity of a
hopgrowing district, the prices are better by from 2s. 6d. ti
ss. per cwt. for best Farnham', from la 6d. to 2s. 6d. for
Altons and Bentleys, known as country Hop; best simples
made 71. per cwt. ; seconds, 61. 10, ; country, best, 54 10s.
seconds, 51.; Sows, about .51.; very few of others sold here.

HAY. SMITHFIELD, 1100 o' Clock. Messrs.
Cooper sod Davis report trade very heavy.
fru. Meadow M. Se Set I 110w5....111. to Ma. I Straw CU. is No
talarbr 114. se ele. Cbver is Ns.

CATTLE, &e.—Everra, APRIL 14.—The num-
ber of fat Bullocks driven in was by no means large, but the
show of store Cattle was considerable. The show of Sheep
was of • very fair description, and these were mostly
sold. Bullocks realised from Be. 9d. to 10s. per more
Butchers' Calves were in good supply, and sold at from 4 id.
to sia. per lb. The quotation for fat Sheep must be stated
at from Bid to Bd. per. lb. Store Sheep were from 355. to
40s. each. There were a few lots of fat Lambs, but these not
only lay on hand, but a part were turned out unsold. For
Cows and Calves there was not this day that eager inquiry
which prevailed a short time since.
EV1111..131 Fa ta.--Contrary to expectation this fair on
Monday was marked by an unusual degree of briskness. All
kinds of stock sold well, particularly fit stock. The 'bow
of Beef wet not large, but there was some of superior qua-
lity : these, together with some peas of floe Sheep, were sold
at advanced pi mu, and the bassoon transacted was consider-
able. Good Hones were anxiously sought after, and the
grasnl trade was good.
- - - • -

L 61116, Aran, 14.—There was a rather large show
of fat Cattle at our market this morning, which met •
ready sale at higher prices than last fair. Of Sheep the
supply was equally large, nd nearly the whole were sold at
higher rates. Owing to the severity of the late weather it is
stated that a large number of Ewes and their Lambs have
been starved t• death on the Yorkshire Welds.

Sorrrwsti., Aran 14.—We had a very short supply to.
day. Beef sold about the mane es last week ; Mutton a trifle
better; in Veal and Pork no alteration. Beef wade from
2e. 81. to 4s. 2d.; Mutton, 4s. to bs. 4d . • Veal, 4s. 6d. to
be. 4d. ; Pork, 4s. 2d. to be. per stone of 81b.., linking the
offal.

DacOHRDA Fata.—This fair came off on the 9th inst. ; a
good supply of black Cattle appeared, and several floe lots
of Heifers, which sold from 61. 10e. to 101. 10a. The de•
stand for all kinds of stare Cattle was brisk; the demand for
Springers was good, and all that appeared at the by were
speedhy bought up. Prime Beef sold at V. par ewt., sinking
the offal ; second quality, at 62*. 6d. ; and inferior, at 46e.
The supply of Pigs was limited ; good bacon Pigs sold at
31. 3e. per cwt. There were a few store Sheep, which
were sold at remunerative prime to the feeders. The
Horses that appealed were chiefly draught and agricultural,
and seine long Colt, and Fillies ; the demand wee brisk, and
many sates took place, at high prices.

For restordsee Morests as ilase /sp.

SHIPPING.

MLILS aterford,2 ; Honaghadee,
1 ; French, 1 ; Flanders, I.
LONDON, April 15.—Wind this day at aim, N., fresh
pats, =4 squally. There have been bile of both rata and
now daLos the morning.
DIAL, Aura 14.—N.B.—Arrived from the river: Jose-
ph;ne, Lydney, New South Wales; Margaret Weet, Batavia.
Sidled: Jessie, Valparaiso; Sciadair, Calcutta.
Porranotrrx, April 14 —8.N.8. Arrived : :Berkshire,
Sydeey, New South Wales, last from Cherbourg. Bailed:
fitratheden, China; City of Foolish, Cape and Madras.
Cowas, April 14.—N.E., strong.—.llo Woodall, Hobart
Town. _ _ _ • ..

-tirlotutzse, April 9.—N.W.—Sailed : Abram, Davie's
Straits. A vessel of about 300 toes was wrecked oa the west
side of the Island of Hay; crew supposed to be drowned.
Oa the boat's stern-board is painted " Mathew Getatly."
The Lesdbeater, of Newcastle, on shore on Platte, his not
received material
BIDKPORD Aptirs : 'Brh Lady, Priam
Edward Island. . _ _ . -- .

01; VA IT M) OTH , Aoril 13.—B.N.S.—Lola, New York,
for Bremen ; Courier, New York.
CLIMB, April 12.—Arrived : Adam Can, New York.
13th: Adelaide, Matanzas • Berl of Harwood, Ceylon and
Madras • Lucim Carey. Piston. Sailed: John Bright, Cal-
cutta; inn Johnston, Newfoundland.
Cosa, April 12.—N.W., strong and spudly.—Arrived
Wilhelsina, Batavia- Mary Stewart, Porto Rion; Rambler,
Matanzet ; Reheat, New Orleans; Catherine Rogers, Nor
folk, V.; Empire, Norfolk, N. ; Alice Tarlton, Philadelphia;
Juanita, New York ; Ocean, New York. Off Port : John
Bull, Savannah, for Liverpool.
CADYLSTOWW, BIBARMATIM.—ATMTedreas to 11th:
Marchionect of Bresdalhano, Cork, for 8i . Sailed, 13th :
Bidston, Calcutta.
Lame, April 12.—A schooner, painted black, was ems to
founder, about 20 miles neat of the Coquet hinds, on the
Bth inst. ; crew supposed to be lost.
Facuotrrn, April 14. —N.B. Arrived : La Plats,
Manumit', for Antwerp; left 21st March. Sailed : Paragon,
Qualms.
etotrwrox, April 1e.—N.8., straw-804d : England,
Glebes.
Wltrmnr, April 14.-11 m Good latest, of Newcastle, and
the Wilhurn, of Middlesborough, on shore near here, have
gene ts_pissm
011 PORYLAND.—Neva Rembla, Batavia,
LONDONDIMULY, April s.—Sailed : M of Clydes-
dale, St. John's; William, New York,
Tosnaar, April 12.—Sailed : Prowler, Newfoundland.
PLYMOUTH, April 14.—N.8.--Sailed : M. Whitfield,
Philadelphia.
Coat—Arrived : Ann Powell, Santiago.
WARIENTOMT, April 12.—Arrived : Leopard, New OT-
leans ; Alida, New York.
Limn, April 14.—N.B.—Arrimd, 13th: Gazelle, Kan-
Mims.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WILDNEBDAT, APRIL 14.
The Braaasa took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE lILMINESS.
ARPORT.—Newmartel and 0111.8srani Railway MIL
PUBLIC BUIEMMIS.
PETMONB aealw the phut plan of edeestkin, were
Mtby Mr. ti end Folieleme ;by Mr.
,* Ilarbier, id seri i=ttre
Mine Inmate; M Mr. Twornum. 'nerd jaw-
h Wetwebwaii• by Mr. H. Ilarinr, lan its.
akar et hid, la Ihe at &wad ;by Mr. Orem lir Ow Si-
krailid rim et lbw barna% Inneerrer; bMt Man T.
Beeem Me Miry H. aim ad err Orr Is lha wary et
Din; by Mr IL Orairmsh fin Twailla; it by Mr. isssrr,
• Ifre lbeirla *mai die iirwer ridoWor
eye'
Me • Cormirow. bin lhe ram elowireadai awl brillaills et
Ms pada et Ml it, LreeriYaiby Mr. Maar, lbar rid
ftlMe air at Derby ; art kr Mr. W. firs. lk Peallaa-
lirelii—Aiii tie Mir Orbit MOO BM,
ItyT47ll7.usrri Ihreore, and ear phew h Zit ; Mr.
Mem, from Oarleliord ewer' sir Mika lw Mathedebire
Rohm
Mee Mar Mira Derwria; by Mr. C. 110..01
from emend lame In Me sonny t keen; by Mr. Weimar, from
wad obi wins la Jire; by dix L Punt's, from
Carearbary ; by Mr. Waratioa, fros ram woos Alining in Wert
Sri& ; by Mr 8. T. Bela" raw Wary Si. Mary, Drs; by Mi.
B. haws, from lareelweirk, mad *lieu ether Piaas; by
▪ Ilwria, tree' ea beihaal raid Owego
= Doi from
Leda of habriair. imi Yu Aar giber k the
et Nouniehiem Mir by Or R.
IL lanai trona Weir" f mei id seri parts at lark.
Lore; by Mr. Kamm bra ram M Ostrihr; by Mr J. H.
Lorenz% amoral bra Tabstice; by Mr. Phiain, from
W.
wiek.--In Meow ef Me Mims Mani IMO by Mr.
Boom, Ora trar; by Mr. Bar ; by
Mr. Wsrerw, bra Ihirradh, Olwi tbe
Main Carrie ehaida and elifilwri Wit barracks
by Mr E. CoLeSAOOIO, Iran Taiillas WI Mr. W. Forme, from
Warrior= end laradie ; by Mr. P. Hoare,from Darlington, sr n. Odra, Warldria, rad Ww-
wartul•Meidge ; by Mr. O. Iscorr, Lit Walik Whirler, iloatir.
=Tr Wenttes Plac..trZllZlerkerTmin
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sm. eel *um, Cram MemlimMA Prearen. sled I 2 @Ow OMB; rad
Vot......Tansaw, tram tbritsrp—lly Orawnwai ter the
arrdwar. awl wiresercheyartetseari, pray-
big lbe whim et rem Fri ruswanc tar lbe pagabia wets
rd brim ; art bra the Wort *tourism et reread saki
IJsaWrq poglir Ihempalif b Pew asarad AiL—By
Mr. M. issamary ra midi at IL MO. era Milwal. in
to. Ow of Rif* Is firm et Me Ibiliaa awl Pariblisa MIL
—by M. C. asereas. from Me breillrla at lialWorease
libete-11, M. W. Puri bra Ow rierhare at
re wawa ft irk wiersom
W rWrd the lei sal sw~ha oseurwar .• tie
weemmt• pewit well • airs at war urea Me rare; ad
from imam; sealer the Irligetlirair
NOT= Of MOTlOL—herwoziar. Timm 1t.., Mu-
Mr. Onnirreemon, on We leo*r ler gig Ws ricaltre cm dr
• lower MO it be caree'ne'd Mr iq rc weation

i wee Sneed. Previous to the 16th wisatua, the whets of
western Europe was of nue religion, with hw inceptions;
since then, numerous heresies had sprung up. The Church
of Rome made a distinction between heretics, as founders of
heresiee, and member• of heresies alter they were founded.
With reference to the latterel us, comprising as they did men
of the highest intelligence and anilines, the Church of Rome
countenanced the adoption of no other measure. than those
which had been used by the first founders of Christianity.
It was impossible to cootroul the minds of men by force ;
and he held that any such attempt was wrong.
He perfectly agreed with the right hon. gentleman who
had just sit down,—that the Church of Rome was antago-
nistic to protestantant. It was; and it would be so, as !caw
as the world rood, or rather until Protestantism was
extinct. (Laughter.) He agreed in the anticipation which
bad been indulged in by some, of the authority of the
sovereign pontiff outliving that of the Anglican Protestant
Church.

Mr. PLUMPTRE rejoiced that the noble lord had spoken
oat so plainly, as to the purposes and anticipation of his
enrich. He had declared that a contest was going on,
which would only end with tile extinction of the protestant
,ebureh. (Hear.) nit lull was part of that contest ; end all
hue eretestante were therefore bound to resist it, especially
after hearing the lanetua:;.- of the noble lord. (beer, hear.)
No One Mild be blind to the progress of papery in this
country. The as of 1829, instead of pacifying the
roc:newts, had acted only as • !emus to further agitation.
Now the house was told very plainly, and in the language of
truth, by one who neglit fairly be looted on as • representa-
tive of the Reinish church, that the contest must and
should go on, until protestantiern was extinct. Let those
who were of different religious opinions take warning,
sad do their utmost to maintain this contest. The Church
aflame, when she had the power, might sti'l be disposed
to persecute, and to occasion great trouble in this and other
gauntries ; but as to the result of the contest, he had not the
slightest doubt—convineed that protestantism was founded
on a rock. (Hear, hear.) He deprecated the nurse pur-
sued by the romanists, ir. promoting such bills so the one
before the house, which he should oppose, as part of • sys-
tem calculated to undermine the protestant church.
Lard H. VANE thought the house had been led astray by
the remarks of the last two speakers, from the question be-
fore the house. lie was surprised that such • discussion
should have been raised, after the concessions that had al-
ready been made to the catholic'. He was far from con-
curring in the anticipation indulged in by his noble friend
(the Earl of Arundel), as to the religion he professed be-
coming the dominant one; he di _l not believe that this
would he the ease. On the other side, he thought the re-
mark, of the noble earl bad been wrongly interpreted by
the hon. member who had just spoken. The noble earl hail
meant, net to justify persecution, but to show that the spirit
of the times had led to it- infliction. The right hon. baronet
who had moved the amendment, had alleged that this mea-
sure would unproteetentrie the government of this cou ary
without condescending to show how it would proden this
effect. From what bad occurred 50 or 100 years ago, lie
inferred that the Church of Rome was still disposed to l er-
mecca. ; and from the conduct of jesuits in other countries,
be inferred that those who resided here, and who had always
loos so—despite all the statutes of disability that had been
pissed —would become disturbers of the national tranquillity.
But the additional clauses to be proposed by the hon. mover
of the bill (Mr. Watson), by providing for the registry of all
such persona, would give a sufficient gut/auto, for their
good conduct. If the arguments offered by the opponents of
the bill were worth anything, the whole course of our legit'.
lation ought to be changed ; but if these argtmeuts were
unfounded, as he believed, what possible evil could result
from rescinding penal statutes which had become obsolete
from disuse? The only serious objection to this course was,
that by repealing the 30th Charles 11-, the Bill of Rights
would be undermined. But might not • clause be intro-
duced, or a few words even, declaring that the Bill of Rights
should not be affected—he did not believe it would be—by
the repeal of the statute of Charles? Again, regretting
the character which the debate had assumed, aud be-
lieving that this house was the last place in the
world fur • theological discussion, he touted that the
bill now introduced would be allowed to proceed.
With respect to the objection which had been stated in a
former debate, on the subject of Roman Catholic promo-
Pions, he was of opinion that such processions would be
highly improper is a country where the great majority of
the inhabitants were of a different religion, and ke was glad
that his hon. and learned friend had consented to introduce
a clause into the bill, by which such procession would be
restricted to their former limits.
Mr. SPOONER said, that he understood that the noble
lord opposite (the Earl of Burrey ) said that there were cer-
tain passages in the Old Testament which juatill d perse-
cution.
The Earl of ARUNDEL explained, by saying that what
he meant to say was, that there were certain perinea in the
Old Testament which might possibly be construed in that
way.
Mr. SPOONER proceeded to observe that he we. ac-
quainted with several Roman Catholics, for whom he enter-
tained the greatest respect ; yet his respect for them would
not induce him to withhold his opinion on their religion. He
must say that it was not only his opinion, but must be
the °Melon of all those who held true Protestant prin.
triples, that there was mixed up with the forms and cere-
monies of the Roman Catholic religion a great deal of that
which savoured of idolatry. That man was nut a true or
sincere Protestant who could shrink from expreseing what
he may conceive to be the character of the Roman Catholic
religion. The right hon. member for the Uaiversity of Ox-
ford gave a peculiar character to this debate • but it was the
character which such a debate ought to bear. The danger
of such discussions was, that they may tend to destroy the
Protestant character of this nation. The right hon. gentle-
man made an appeal to the hos. member for Kinsale, which
must be fully answered. And for that answer he (Mr.
Spooner) looked with very great ansiety, because he felt
with him that, by repealing the act of Charles, they would
positively destroy the Bill of Rights. And that was • ques-
tion which the hon. member for Kinsale entirely overlooked.
They ought to hesitate before going into a committee on a
bill, which, if carried, would be attended with fatal cone-
quenoes to the Protestant religion. He objected to all the
clauses of the bill, but particularly to that portion of it which
went to legalise the introduction of Popish bulls iato this
country. He had no objection to remove the severe penalties
to which they rendered people liable; but there was
a great difference between visiting their introduction with
penalties and sanctioning it. They would thereby acknow-
ledge the entire sway of a foreign power over the sea-
winces of the people. A bull exercised a spiritual authority
over the people. The orders came to the priests, who ma-
'eyed them to their flocks. He would give them gram&
for refusing to sanction such authority over the esereimem
of the people as was held by the Roman Catholie plash.
The son of a friend of his left the protestant church, said
became a Roman Catholic. The father of the young mss
showed him (Mr. Spooner) a hook whieb wsa reameneendled
to the use of his son. It was entitled, " Consolatise and Pr
ooungement to Seals." In one part it inculcated the dm.
trice that he who obeyed his director wee free Ina ei re-
sponsibility to God. He wished to know what was tit asp •
young man from committing murder, or any other time, if
from his early youth he imbibed that principle ? He was
taught to feel no responsibility, and the dictates of reason
and consciences poke to no purpose. Was that the lemon
',Melo they, as Protestants, were to teach their children?
EU should give his most determined opposition to • bill ia-
leeelleetad for the purpose of taking away all liberty of con-
Mime& The hon. gentleman co eluded by saying, that
loin what had fallen from the noble lord (the Earl of
411MMtiel) it would go forth to the world that the Roman
Caddie intended, either by force, fraud, or conviction, to
omtioguish the Protestant religion.
11r. BEZEL said that the hon. gentleman the member for
Illemietitam stated that he was intimately connected with
mug lowan Catholic gentlemen, for whom be entertained
the ligbeth ragent. He thought that if the hen. gentleman
11101111 0101•111010010 his opinion to any ono of the rupee,
able hatheidaide to whom he alluded, he would be ameretilty
them that thither by f tree nor fraud would the
ef the Pallostrat religion be attempted by the
Calais. It mould not help thinking that the hen. gen-
tleman, the somber far Kent, dealt most
with the freak and epee statements that weredid=raiy the
=hie lend the seember for Arundel. He understood that the
noldeleadstated that bewail in favourafunnetrialeillibesep
eseeelease, paths member for Kent tindeneelled 10 1100100 ea
him theme width be lead distinctly ilimmeseed. Thai wm
noon dm& ROMllCotholic in that loam Ithe maid net
ehisthe Marine imputed to his noble Mad Win Warn.
hewn. this noble Mend oath that bethought that the tenth
Ltinlireellgioa wm peek_eadweeid ItiMy prevail. The
Er Kant timed bin for ZAWasithat the Items
wield eitimatelznewbfre be hiesself
nth era, lithie to theme ke the Prelednet
Mika veethil le elthemmly prevalent et=
aim ding the Immo Catholic
jS of be
rj=latibstry, The word woo man=
li
irommerweed. He (Mr. Shell) too niesh
to be annoyed at that skew. The ipessilea new
we they were or were natiresairate etwindlithe ea
• bill midi indinessil ies emend . They woe net
th methane wisseW them wee anything the bill whisk
einderall It advisable he 610110 threw It tht, but to see
whether *see was anything in it width they moth le alter.
the as convinced of the importance, that ought to be
M matters relating to the regotw orders of the
abalk et Woe. There was an eat et porlisment in
itththene, whisk provided that a aso•W of any
Milar a the Church of Rams, aa shut
theilem Zarin= Me them reams, Irak salgethel
Imthge Any salve of ththeme who earth
rag niftier ear wee seddested M beekheamil, awl hens-
=alierworth And
_anybody lam adios& live
a y
Miami ceder was liable to the sum Now, it
nem was the imumeon sense and the 01111111101j0111111 of the
lam that AND laws required, if sot n Wig sipao=, at
Ira a most mentlisi thedilistiew Ither bon wen, in
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of one of the regular order". No one could hare achieved a
greater moral reformation than he had. Dr. Doyle was an
Aneustinian friar ;.and, if the name of the op at of tem-
p -rare-o was property appropriated to Father Mathew', Or.
1) ,siiii had • claim to the title of the peer m en's evengeliser.
He was the man that insisted that the Irish peasant had as
rod a right to his life as the alkaloid had to his iodate. He
misted that poverty bad its privileges. Under thin hew,
however, Dr. Doyle might have been transported to
Visa Diemen's Land sr New SJUilt Wales. Then the
question arose whether such a law as this should stand, and,
it it wu to stand, for what purpose. They prohibited tee
Jesuits in this country ; but it was their fears that induced
them to do so. He knew that, ewer since the popish
plot, they had regarded the Jesuits with feelines
of alarm; bat they ought to be afraid of their
own fears. His own impression was, that the charges which
were preferred against them were in the main adenine,"
and he firmly believed that their virtues prevailed over their
fault., and against the instance of any one of them whose
principles might be looked upon as corrupt might he
produced the example of the great Kesler. Let the
right honourable gentleman the member for the Uni-
versity of Oxford enter the picture gallery in the Jesuits
College in Horne, and though he may perchance beheld some
faces with the wile of the statesman too deeply engraves, yet
he would re many open foreheads witk the red ban, the
symbol of martyrdom, gloriously and emblematically at-
tached. (Cheers.) The Jesuits of Ireland were free from
blame. What had been their offences? 'they had estah
lished a college at Clongower, where the best literature MIA
taught in the beet way. They had an establishment of a
similar description in Ireland 111.10. They had erected •
magnificent church in Dublin, and in that church one may
bear good music and good preaching, and may see the cere-
monies of the Roman Catholic church performed in • man-
ner becoming their dignity. (Hear.) 'these were their
crimes. He begged leave to ask them for a Lingle instance
of one Jesuit having interfered with politics for the hot 30
years, during which period Ireland had been constantly agi-
tated by political questions. lie would adt them to show
him one political speech or tract published by a Jesuit in
Ireland during that time. He himeolf never saw a Jesuit at
the Catholic Association ; and he was assured that no Jesuit
attended at any one of the monster meetings. (Hear.)
These were facts, the truth of which sus evident, and against
which the hon. member for Kent brought forward a book,
the name of the author of which he did not know. Ile (Mr.
Seel!) drew the attention of the house to facts which were
notorious and indisputable, and he 'eked them whether with ,
these before them they should allow the law to stand se WI
is—rendering liable to transportation persons who entered •
religions society against which they had no just ground of
aecusation. Would the hon. gentleman, the member he
Birmingham, advise the Attorney and Selicitor-Generes Is
pro-ecute such individuals, and have them arraigned beim
the Irish Chief Justice, who was, himself, a Reiman Cathelie ?
Why should they adhere to the continuance of such • law
on the statute book ? Why should they allow their
intolerance to show its teeth, when the teeth wan
too loose to bite ? (Cheers.) If these laws Mae
shown to be inoperative, why not repeal them 1
He did not doubt that the Dominicans and nap-
sheens laughed at the law, and he war sure that
the Jesuits smiled, but the Catholic community, whose feel-
ings ...ere involved in this question. considered themselves
insulted. The brand which they attempted to strike at the
religious orders singed the Catholic community. Some hon.
gentlemen spoke about petitions presented from parts of
England spinet the abrogation of this law ; but he should
like to know what were the number of signatures attacked
to them. He observed that not • simile hon. member who
presented a petition of the kind dated the number of signs-
tun.a to it. The hon. member fur Knareshorough
presented a number of petitions, but the whole of them he
could compress in his hand. It the truth were koown
perhaps there were not more then fire or six names attached
to each. Did the people of England imagine that they de-
rived any security from these laws? No. They knew that
by the act of Catholic emancipation they tuna'. reed the
rotten boroughs of Ireland to popular interest. After rate,
blishing Maynooth and recognising the It anon Catholic
bishop+, the people of this country knew full well
that they were to derive no benefit from the laws
which now remain, and they do not vomiter that
the security of the country will be promoted by the des
fatnation of the Roman Catholics. He wished to suggest to
the here and learned member for Kinsale the propr ety at
intvelueine a clause. The Irish Lord Chancellor must at
present be a protestant; the Lord Lieutenant of Intend
must alto he a protestant ; but that mar Cr necessitate to
right. It may be right that the Irish Secretary shimld be a
protestant also, though it was not stated in the act of podia:
ment that he should be so. It may be said also, with scene ,
ground*, that no Roman Catholic should be admitted into
the cabinet; hut why was it that no Roman Catholic btr-
rioter, no matter how high he may be in his profession, can
be made Lord Chancellor of Ireland if he bo a Roman Ca-
tholic ? The Attemey•General for Ireland may he a Rowan
Catholic. Chief Baron Pipit, who tilled that office, was •
Roman Catholic, and so were Sir M. O'Leghlin and Chief
Justice Ball. His hon. friend the member ea Galway, who
was now the Solicitor-General for Ireland, though known to
be the highest gentleman in his pruforioe, could not at any
period he made Lord Chancellor, being a Catholic. The
Chief Justice may be a Roman Catholic, though be could sit
at • state trial in which church property may he involved;
and it was rather anomalous that the Lord Chancellor, who
had nothing to do with the church, should be a Protestant
An alteration in this particular might he made with the
most perfect safety, anti be suggested to his hon. friend (Mr.
Watson) the consideration of the matter. It might be raid
that the Lord Chancellor had the appointment of mania-
testes in Ireland, hut that was no reason why he should not
hr a Roman Catholic.
Mr. FINCH made a few observation+, which were under-
stood to be in opposition to the principle of the bill, and
were scarcely audible in the gallery, in consequence of the
noise in the house.
Lard J. MANNERS did not think it right to insist on
putting down the doctrines of the Roman Catholic religion
by pains and penalties. Ile should held this opinion if they
were intended to be put in force ; but when it was admitted
that they were inoperative, he was at a 1,M4 to understand
why so realoue a fight was made to retain such ageless scare-
crews. His hon. friend had quoted Switzerland man ex+
ample of the evil consequences of tolerating the Jesuits, but
it was an unfortunate allusion, inasmuch, 11l whiiet the Je-
sui.s were tolerated in some of the cantons, they were put
down in others, and the spirit of animosity thus
engendered gave rise to the consequences spoken of. He
had also said that M. °Meat and nth. r philosophical
statesmen of France had found the necessity of putting
down the Jesuits in that country. He believed, however, if
the English Protestant public knew the general te. diary
of these men's opinions they would hesitate before they
joined the hon member for the university of Oxford (Sir R.
IL Inglis) in his opposition to the Church of Rome. When
his hoe. friend called upon the dissenters to oppose the bill,
be would venture to remind them that the hon. gentleman
was as groat an opponent of their claims as of the hill be fore
the house. The bon. member for Birmingham (Mr.
Spooner) had read a passage from a Catholic author, and
asked the house to reject the bill because they could not
reconcile such passage with the Protestant religion ; why, it
was idle to deny that differences of opinion existed between
the professors of the two religion.; and when the hot. mem-
ber talked of the necessity of adhering to the settlement of
1829, he (Lord J. Manners) wanted to know why the safe-
guards of which he spoke had never been pat in forte? The
legal advises of her Majesty would, if called upon. refuse to
put those laws, which were called Voi safe-guards or motes-
tsntisot and the constitutioa, into force ; an I he wanted to
know how such obsolete penalties could be considered rah-
guards of the throne and constitution ? (Heel., hear.) It
was ridiculotts to see the advocates of proteetention taking
their stand on such pettifogging pains, penalties, and disthili-
ties. He could not understand such a defence of our church and
state; and if we were to maintain this system of legiala.
tion we must give up our character for practical sincerity
and good settee. After the attacks which had been made
upon the jesuits and other different order" of the Church of
Rome, he thought those who believed they were doing great
good in the work of education and charity would do no less
than heir testimony in their behalf. Dr. C. Wordsworth in
giving an account .if the Christian brothers of Paris had
stated, that not tone of the youths educated by them had
taken part in the insurrectioe—(bear, hear)—and he (Lord
J. Manners) had seen, both in Limerick and Cork, the excel-
lent system of education adopted by the Christian brothers.
He believed that a strong cane hal been mode nut for going
into& committee on the bill; and he would not detain the house
longer, but he could not help advering to the efforts which
had been used to stir up what wait called the protestant
feeling of the country against this hill. The documents
which had been circulated were most inaccurate. He had
thee day presented a petition from Melton Mowbray against
the bill, and having previously seen it in the papers, he could
sac, that two-thirds of the allegations in the prayer of that
petition were unfounded, and the result of incorrect state-
ments which had alarmed the petitioners. Various means,
not very creditable, had been resorted to in order to excite
.what the hon. member for Birmingham called the great pro-
testant (reticle of the country ; but he believed the Church
of England might rest far more securely in the affections of
the people—in the power she possessed to meet ell the require-
ments of the toiling and industrious population—in the purity
of her doctrines, and in the integrity of her ministers, than
upon any attempt to retain on the stature bank laws which it
was impoesible under any circumstances to put into practice.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the hon. menther for the
uniweraity of Oxford had asked the Attortiey-Generd
whether the repeal of one of the acts propowd to he re-
peeled would not hereafter render it unnecessary for the
sovereign, on asoindieg the throne, to declue that he would
maintain-tee ascendancy of the protestant religion, and the
hon. and learned gentleman had not fir. n a reply --that
ought to he practiced enough for the noble lord. It war
because the Roman Catholic chursh was intolerant that he
wouel not piece her on an equal footing with ether sects,
who did nut claim the same supremaoy—who did not claim
to be superier in all matters. (dlear, hear.) The pope
claimed tat have paramount authority in all spiritual matters,
and to be the father of the prince a, king*, and rulers of the
world—and that authority it was proposed by the bill before
the house to admit into competition with that of our own
. soweeeign. (Hear, hear.) The pope also claimed to he the
.., cede szpunent of the laws of God and the church, such laws I
...seirlemding as they did to temporal matters, ace ...ding to the I
../ ileirefe the couocil of Trent, to whith the chureh of
. e adhered. They were embodied and exemplified
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-.A. law, by which the pope retained the power tit
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~ dominion temporal as well &A spiritual in every
1 t in the world. It was beestue he ( Mr. Newtlegate)
as. be lamer that he would not admit such intolerance.
•. .hear.) lelsOugh It was said the• there he'd been
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•t . very little .. of reeling on this subject, but few peti-
: . limn havicf prosentel. hon. members would hear of it
Viii thi peOPle of England had a right to speak at the
wain elections, and if the house tamper,' with s settle•
• .. , which was regarded as the great security or protest-
. an 4 the constitution they would either weaken the
of the people or make them iodifferent with regard

to eiligion. They did cot petition because they had found
ltmillate to do so in the case of the Maynootti grant, hut
thew was a deep uadar-current of public feeling on this
atalosetwltieh would dad expression by-and-bye if the pro-
;tielensege Desensitise law of the land. (Hear, hear.)
• diem WA ass introduced into another house,
clauses effliMt mon ellatmeter as those no. objected to were
struck sink UM stating that unless some ulterior
16664111111 IMO ttiywile the Pope would have more autho-
rity in this oefseet *Ms he ought to have, and he would
rem:amend $ maleeediat with the see of It tine, until which
the Catholics weedd sot he under due control. (Hear, hear.)
When he considered how greatly the measure must endanger
everything we revered as protestant& and loyal subjects, he
objected to go one step further with the bill. (Hear.)
Sir J. EASTHOPE odd that the discussion which had
been raised on the bid did not fairly arise front it. The
question before the house was not a comparison of the merits
' of the two churches, but whether the laws sought to be re-
' pealed were adapted to effect the purpocs fur which they were
intended. (Hear, hear.) Were those hon. gentlemen who
most strongly advocated the retention of those laws pre.
pared to enforce them as a security fur any religion which
they th-ought might be endangered ? The noble lord near
him (the Etrl of Arundel and Surrey) had said, with that
manliness and candour which characterised him, that if
they abolished sill distinctions between the churches the
result would be the extinction of proteetintisna. The noble
lord was entitle/ to maintain that opinion; but he (Sir J.
Ea:Aisne) believed, with equal confidence, that the result''
would be the extinction of the Roman Catholic religion.
Holding that opinion, he believed that it was not wise to
retain these pains and penalties as fences sod defences of the
religion to which he belonged, and which would expel and
degrade some of the best subjects of her Majesty. Were
thee to be told that in giviag an honest vote on this no-
mien, from which they did not think any danger',
to the protestant religion could result, they would
be made responsible to the people of this country ? If he
believed the measure to be dangerous, he would vote sealed
it ; but being of opinion that Vie Protestant reflation did not
stand in coed of such paltry fences, he should give his vote
in favour of it.
Mr. °MILBURN said he did not see any reasons, since
the last vote he gave respecting the present bill, to induce
him to Meer his mind respecting it. Indeed, the more he
reflected upon it, the more he was convinced that be took
the right course in voting against the bill. The bill di-
vided ittelf into two parts, and to that part of it which
tended to remove the restrictions imposed by the bill
of 1829, he was decidedly opposed. A solemn compact had
been entered into as to the state in which the Roman
Catholic inbabitante of this country were to stand with
reap, et to civil and religietet disabilities. Many persons had
acquiesced in the bill of 1829, in consequence ut the restric-
tions retained in it. A solemn contract bad been entered
into, and he, who had been a consenting party to it, would
not now be a party to the violation of the contract then made.
Was there anything united to iuduee them to vary that con-
tract ? Had any individuals been subject to the pains and
Penalties retained ? Nu such thing. They were inoperative.
But it was said they ought to be repealed on that ac-
count. He did nut think that way a just argu-
ment The power of enforcing these penalties was
placed in the hands of the Attorney-General, sail for this
reason,—that they should not be rashly inflicted at the mere
will ofboatile individual*. Particular cases had arisen, in which
the law was violated, and in which the penalties might
be sued for, but the government, exerce-ing a sound discre-
tion, did not think it wise to enforce them. No danger had
arisen in those cases from the violation of the law, hut he
thought it right that authority should he t eserved to meet these
cases from which danger might pesiibly arise. He did' not
think that there was anething unreasonable in retaining some
of these restrictions. Vas it desirable, for instance, even on
civil ground', to permit Roman Catholic processions in this
country ? (Hear, hear). What would be the probable re-
sult in Edinhurgh, which the right hon. gentleman opposite
represented, or to Leith, if they permitted those funeral pro-
cessions, with banners and crucifixes, which took place in
Roman Catholic countries ? He admitted if the thing was
to lie done over again, that he would prefer pains and penalties,
which could oe easily inflicted, to those wheel stood in the
statute bark at precut. They Should not judge of the mo-
nestle orders from particular individuals. If they car-
ried their view backward, they would find that
these orders had been productive of mischief as well
as of good, and that their very eduoition ilisposed
them to eel tendencies. He coact:fed he could not
see any grounds for going into committee upon the bill, and
if he felt any doubt before of the inexpediency of legislating
on minute points affecting the situation of Rem= Catholics
and Protestants is this country, the present discussion re-
moved it. There was at present no dirtur oindice nodes,
, an e, therefore, he thought it imprudent to inflame on the
one side Use Roman Catholics, by telling them that they en-
dured grievances which they did not feel, and to alarm on the
other side the sensitive mind of the Protestants as to the ob-
ct with which this measure was Introduced. (Hear, hear.)
The first thing which the hon. and learned member for Kin.
sale dealt with was the act of the be of Elizabeth. What
was the use of repealing this statute, since it was declared
that the act of supremacy was founded on the common law
of the kingdom, and that any person violating it was liable to
be punished by the enlighten lair ? The hon. and learned
gentleman mu-t, therefore, have introduced it for mere
parade. The boo. and learned gentleman next dealt with
so much of the 13th and 14th of Charles H.—commonly
called the act of uniformity—which imposed penalties for wit-
tingly and willingly using any other forma( prayer than that
in the Book of Common Prayer. This act merely followed upon
the act of Edward VI., and the criminal law commissioner*
declared that if the latter act were repealed, the penaltiee
retained in the act of Charles were iprojacto repealed also,
What was the necessity, therefore, in proposing to repeal
this act ? The hon. and learned gentleman next dealt with
so mach of the 31st Geo. 111. as related to the disceition of
pegeosal property for eorkeisstical perpeses. That was a
himaive subject, and it might or it might not be ad-
visable deal with it m a separate subject; but certainly it
ought not to be done by a clause in a bill like the present.
(Hear, hear.) His disposition to vote whet the bill was
not at all lessened by the suggestion thrown out by the only
member of the government who spoke upon it, that there
were additional offices which ought to be thrown open to
Roman Catholics, as that of the Lord Chancellorship of Ir. -
land. (Hear, hear.) If that right hon. gentlemen thought
the liberal temper of the times favourable to the doing away
with the restrictions imposed by the act of 1829, he (Mr.
Geolburn) would remind him that a time might come when
there would be a disposition not to extend, but to contract,
the privileges enjoyed by the Roman Catholics under
that act. (Hear, bear.) He would be premeed
to join with the tight honourable gentleman in defending
these privileges, and to resist any violation of them ; and
therefore to overt the danger to the Roman Catholics them-
selves, which might arise by departing from tke provisions
of the Emancipation Act, as well as for the other mamas he
had stated, he would support the amendment which had
been moved. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. COLLE rr would support the motion of the has.
and learned member for.Kinsale, on the ground of alta
interference. It was his belief that he who acted hatiaty
was in the right road to beaver, whether he was Pratersesat
or Roman Catholic, Mehomtnedan or Hiadoo. (Laostadp.)
He was a humble member of the Church of Emiland; but
he did not think there was any danger from the Church of
Rome. He thought there was more danger to be appre-
hended from the new-fanglcd doctrines attempted to he in-
troduced by the Bishops of London and Exeter into the
Church of England. A house divided against itself could
not stand. They had therefore better look for unity in their
own church than find fault with the Church of Rome.
(Cries of " Divide, divide.")
Sir G. GREY said the quoit/on now before the house was
precisely the sense as that which had been -dismissed and.. de
sided a few weeks ago, when the right.hen. bart. the member
for Tamwerth took almost the game view that bad been taken
by the right ben. gentleman opposite (Mr. Goulburn)-
The right hon. gentleman objected to one part of the bill,
and to another part of it he did not seem to entertain any
objection. Now the bill was in accordance with the report
of the criminal law commissioners, but there were certain
parts of it to which he could nut give his &meat as they stood
at present. Investing, therefore, for going into committee
he was not pledging himself to all the details of the bill. He
confessed he did net participate in that complacency with
which the noble lord the member for Newark regarded
the spread of religious orders in this country. (Hear, hear.)
He was undoubtedly in favour of the priaciple of the bill,
, and for removing all those pains and penalties affecting his
Rotath Catholic fellow-subjects which could be dispensed
with without any danger to the protestantisrn or constitution
of the kingdom. Ile knew the string feelings that might
be raised on this subject, and the language that would be
used. It would be said that the measure tended to the sub-
version of the Protestant religion and the subetituton of the
Roman Catholic. (Hear, hear.) He protested against the
injustice of any such imputation. (Hear, hear.) He was
final; attached to the Protestant religion and to the Pro-
' testant interest, and he held that the Protestant Reformation
of the 16th century was one of the most valuable events1
that bad ever occurred. (Hear, bear, hear.) But it
was well known that illegal acts were commiued
every day by members of the Roman Catholic religion
in conformity with doctrines which they believed to be
true, and which it was acknowledged might be held with
perfect securey to all those interests which the right bon.
gentlemen thought an valuable ; and were they to subject
Roman Catholics to the imputation of acting illegally when
they were string conscientieuely in discharge of what they
believed to be their duty ? (Hear, hear) He believed the
question at issue to ho whether the principles of true Chris-
tian tolerate.n which hal been acted on of late years were
the principles which ought to regulate parliament in this
instance ? The hon. baronet the member for the University
of Oxford ea d that this was only one of that series of men.
sores which had been commenced fifty years back. The
boo. berseet would not sanction these acts if they had to
commence again ; but he (Sir G. Grey) was of opinion that
they reflected the greatest credit on the legislature. He
thought that the statutes comprised in the first part
of the bid might be safely abrogated ; and he be-
lieved it was fer the interest of the Protestant re-
ligion itself that they should be abrogated, and that
they should discharge themselves from all suspicion
of keeping down their Roman Catholic fielow-countryurn
by statutes 1:16.1 as these. He would go into committee on
the tell with the report of the Criminal Low Conuniesinnere
in his hand. and-by it he would bo guided. Of the latter
part of the b,ll he entertabied doubts, even with the amend-
ment which the hon. lend Minted member for Kinsale intro-
duced into it. Ile was not prepared to run the risk of these
feud. and h. /ila 10 which religmus processions were likely to
give rise lie would be prepared to conies., this and ether
objection. in committee, and on this 0.364011 would repeat
the vino he Imst given before for the sewed reading of the
bill. (II ar, hem.)
Mr. LAW said that it was contrary to the common and sta-
tute law of the r.olin to imniion the 5,,,,,,-,,,,,,y of the crave .
and though the act of the lit of Elisabeth was repealed, any
person who did so would render him-elf liable to punish-
meat The supremacy of the crown had been the subject of

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jealontipiow iniesealeinexhe aims of it is
day. The tfoth of Waited 11. wia pored in coaempsenelf of
a petition of the commons compleining of the interference of
the see of Rome ; so that even in Roman Catholic, times the
people of this country objected to it. The supremacy HON,
crown was part of the constitution, and the repeal sleets act
of Elizabeth could not repeal the constitution itself. (Hear.)
The second part of the bill related to the gecarities, eases:et'
is 1829 by the 10th of Geo. IV ,e. 70. He agreed with the
right hon. gentleman, the member for the University of
Cambridge, that the removal of those securities would be a
departure from the first principles of common honesty. The
whole tide of the regular clergy would thus be let in and
the convenience and privacy of families would be invaded by
the regular clergy of the church of Rome.
Lord SAN DON could not but express his unfeigned regret
that the question under discussion had been raised, tending,
as it must, to create dimen‘ion; and especially as it was ad-
mitted by all that no practical evil existed under the law as
it then stood. (Hear, hear.) As the bill, however, had been
proposed, he felt bound to express his opinion upon it; and
believing that the only way to fight the battle of truth was by
free and unfettered discusaion, uninfluenced by the action of
the state, he could not refuse his assent to the motion for
going into committee on the bill.
Mr. ESTCOURT said it had been Mated by a right hon.
gentleman, as a ground for going into committee, that after
full discussion on a former occasion, the assent of the house
was given to the measure. He (Mr. Esteourt) would remind
the house that on the oemedon referred to, the majority in
favour of the second reading of the bill was only three.
(Hear, hear.) He would also fecal to their recollection that
the right bun. baronet the member for Tamworth, who was
opposed to the measure beceuee he considered it an innova-
tion on the compact of 1829, voted for the second reading on
the distinct understanding that the hon. and learned member
fur Kinsale was to introduce clauses which would remove
that objection. He appealed to the house whether the
ciao*. brought forward by the hon. and learned gentleman
were such as would tend in the slightest degree to remove
the scruples; of his right hon. friend. (Hear, hear.) Provi-
sions were introduced into the act of 1829 to quiet the con-
!sciences of those who were opposed to the Roman Catholic
religion ; and if this bill passed there would be a downright
violation of the compact which was then entered into.
Mr. WATSON replied—He said the principle of the bill
was chat of removing from the criminal law all penalties
affecting individuals on account of their religion ; and if any
of t-o proposed alterations did not come within that prin-
ciple, that was a matter which might he discussed in com-
mittee. As regarded the right hon. baronet, the member
for Tamworth, he could net but think that his absence was
to be construed favourably to the bill. (Hear, hear.) The
object of the act of 1829 was simply to restore to Roman
Catholics many constitetional privileges of which they bad
been deprived ; the object of this bill was to remove penal.
ties. He was as sincere a Protestant as any man in that
country, end he hoped to me the time when all
would, be convinced by reason, and by the good
conduct of Protestants, of the ttuth of his reli-
gion; bat it was net by the existence of penal laws
that they could hope to obtain that object. Although the
penalties sought to be repealed were taken away as re-
spected the statute law, yet the offences still remained
offences at common law, and were punishable as misde-
meanours ; and he wished to prevent any one from being
liable to such punishment. With revard to the observation
of the hon. and learned member for the University of Cam-
bridge (Mr. Law), that the question of supremacy was settled
by toe common law, that was precisely the point for which
be (Mr. Watson) contended, and, therefore, he argued that
no evil could result fr ,m whet he proposed to do. There
were two clauses in the 10th Geo. IV. which he pro-
posed to repeal; one rclatinc to processions, and the other
to the regular clergy. He was as adverse es any man could I
be to religious processions in the public green, whether
they were in connexion with churchmen, with dis.enters, or
with Roman Catholics. His object was, however, a very
simple one. At present the Roman Catholic priest had to
perform the burial service in his canonicals in a private
room; he did not accompany the body to the burial ground:
what he desired was only to enable the priest to proceed to
the burial ground with the insignia of his office. He bad
been informed that at the funerals of Roman Catholics there
was no raising of the host ; but at all events he would not
press his clause on that subject if °ejected to, as it did not
affect the principle of the belt What he asked with regard
to the regular clergy was simply that they should by law be
allowed to perform their spiritual duties, and lie asked this
with the more confidence because the regular clergy now
performed those duties without any one daring to lift a
finger against them. The law as it at present stood did not
prevent Jesuits from coming into the country. Ho trusted
that the house would by its vote declare that no penal laws
ought to exist on se want of religion.
The house divided—
For the motion
Agaised it
The h.use adjourned at o minutes to 6.

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LONDON, THURSDAY, APRIL 15.

THE divines and semi -divines, assembled to pass time
and resolutions at Crosby-hall, have strangely chosen
to style themselves a Conference. A conference implies
discussion : it conveys the idea of different opinions
meeting for the parpitut of coming together, of getting
rid of asperities, rubbing away prejudices, and reason-
ing each other into moderation. The Conference of
Crosby-hall has none of these characteristics. It is
merely a gathering of men, for the sake of whetting
each other's zeal, and isflaming each other's passions.
Moderate men are not listened to. Compromise is
scouted. Dr. VAUGHAN himself is hustled as a traitor.
A very few minutes in Crosby-hall must have con-
vinced any one that none but extreme opinions
r *mild find favour there, and that the whole purpose
of the meeting was, not persuasion or reasoning, but
denunciation and war.
This war, as areligious or sectarian one, is very
deplorable ; but as a political war, which so many of
their speeches make it, it is a disgusting and a fac-
tious business. One gentleman points to the next
election : another, Mr._Ntzst.tv, exhorts the congre-
gation to unite its animus in the refusal of church-rates.
" The tortes would not have done this," exclaimed
Dr. HAMILTON. " The tones would not have of-
fended the dissenters by erecting new bishoprics, by
coming to the rescue of the National School
system, by making a compromise with the
established church and flinging the dissenters
overboard." In a series of innendoes of this kind
Dr. HAmturos 'was loudly cheered," as if the Con-
ference considered-such arguments as these the most
forcible and seasonable ones in an assembly met to

consider the subject of education. Dr. AINSLIE evi-
dently had his view turned in the same direction; the
moat forcible 'patt of his speech being an attempt to
wrest a passage, in what is said to be the government
pamphlet on education, into an insult to the dis-
senters.
We must say, that the opponents of education
could not have' taken a line of argument, or indulged
in expressions of feeling, so completely calculated as
these are to nullify these efforts, and expose the shal-
lowness of the motives that urge them on. It is
quite evident, on the face of their every expression,
that education Is, with them, quite a secondary consi-
deration that their strife with the established
church is all in all. It is evident that these gentle-
men consider •England and ite people, and its parlia-
ment, as a Mere battle-field fbr their sectarian squab-
bles, without taking into account the great moral sad
intellectual wants of our large population width
ought to be supplied, and the supply of which is
equally imperative, equally beneficial, whether the
recipients Hock afterwards to the meeting-house or
the church.
All political men in England are agreed upon this
necessity, on the best and most feasible way of
meeting it. Whig and, tory are agreed; and the
Rev. Dr. HAMILTON calumniated the tones, when he
represented them as less courageous than the whigs in
grappling with the difficulties of education. The
Maynooth bill can; answer for them. No ministry
in this country, that consulted merely its
ease, its strength, or its duration, would meddle with
education. Igor, indeed, wouldhny eine, except Mr.
BAIN Es and the A,isines of the conference, degrade so
holy a duty and an aim into a mere political
ruancenvre. Nothing but a strong sense, of the absolute
necessity of raising the intellectual as well as the
physical condition of the lower orders of this country,
could have made a candidate minister blazon " educa-
tion" on his banner as Lord Jost H.VssELL did : for
the word has no party power, no popular prestige.
It is addressed to the very small class of thinking men
and philanthropists—men who on the stage of faction
are borne down, and in the clamour of popular assem-