The Express.
London, England, 1847-05-19 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDB.—TOCSDaIf, MAY 18.
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CORPORATION OF LONDON.
Lord BROUGHAM, in premating a petition from the
printers of Londoil in timer ef the Health of Towns Bill,
complained that the reformatlow of abuses seemed to step
short at Temple-bar. He was himself a member of the cor-
poration of Leedom, and ho was therefore accusing himself
when he said that no corporation in England stood in so
much need of the pruning knife. Ho regretted that a city
so full of filth was to be exempt from the operation of his
noble friend', bill.
Lord CAMPBELL said that he felt somewhat surprised
at what fell from his noble and learned friend when he
recollected that hie noble and learned friend brought in a
bill some time ago for., reform of the corporation of Leaden,
hut, having been invited to dinner by that body, not only
abandoned the bill, but made a speech contradicting every
thing he said before ia abuse of them. (Laughter.) lit
seemed as if there was something in the air of that hoes
which stimulated his wilds friend to make speeches &OWE
that body, and something in the atmosphere beyond Temple.
bar which prompted hi:a to make speeches in praise of the
corporation. (Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM said that of all the misrepresentations
of fact—of all the mis-statements of notorious fact, even
from his noble and learns 41 friend—and that was going as far
as it was possible to do—(laughter)—this was the most ex-
traordinary. The facts were quite the reverse of what his
noble and learned friend represented them to be. He sous
not surprised that his mi Isle friend should stand up for the
corporation of London, for on one occasion, when his noble
and learned friend was Att, rney-General, being called on to
speak to the toast of the .' Navy "—(laughter),—a learned
judge who was present, said " Sit down Mr. Attorney, ' navy'
does not begin with • 'k.'' (Much laughter.)
ARMY SERVICE BILL.
On the motion that this h.!l be recommitted,
The Marquis of LONDO..DERRY said he rout for the
purpose of opposing the bill. He should like to know who
etre the authorities in its fa:our, as he believed that nine-
tenths of the army were entirely opposed to it. This was
an experiment which was nit d our and over again and had
failed; they were always oblged to return to the old rule.
On these grounds he was opposed to the plan which was
proposed by the government.
The Earl of CARDIGAN said that he was sorry to be
obliged to oppose any measure which was supported by the
noble duke. In the Rest place, the principal reason assigned
fur the introduction of this bill was that it would tend to
the enlistment of a better dale of soldiers, and yet the node
duke told them that such would not be the result. The
coniderable increase in the number of enlistments
latterly proved that the army as it existed at present
was not an unpopular set rice. The British army,
unlike all others, was diem 3...1 all over the world,
and he could not understand how the relief of these
men whose limited period of Sc; vice had expired could be
carried into effect without enormous expense. Of all the
other inconveniences which wool I arise from such a bill, the
injury done to the discipline of th 1 service would not be the
least. When this bill would be e.trried into law, the changes
in the colonies would lead to gr.at expense and confusion,
and their lordship, should could, r whether such enormous
expenditure was wise. Were m. it, whose term of service
was near its expiration, to be sent to Hong Kong, New
South Wales, or any of the colonies, to be brought back
again at great expense? Or, was n regiment, whit li had a
large number of men in that position, to be kept at home on
that account l If this bill was ear id it would lead to great
confusion, end destroy all rep-a do corps in the army. He
suggested that, if they intended to pass it, they should
in committee make the fist perie.l of enlistment fourteen
year!, and the second seven. Nineteen out of twenty of the
officers of the army were against the bill, and looked-upon it
as a dangerous and inefficient measure.
Earl GREY said that he wished before they went into
committee, to state one fact which had come to his know-
ledge since the last discussion on this bill_ An officer now
serving in the army, who had risen from the ranks, end had
obtained a commisuon without purchase, on account of his
highly meritorious conduct, was asked his opinion of this
measure, and his answer was, " All I can say is, the' I here
been in the army all my life, but I never would have sainted
for life. I was myself a arson years' man." (Hear, hear.)
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said that though he was op-
posed to this measure, he would not now enter into any die.
cusenn on its merits.
' Lord COMBERMERE said that it was opposed to the
opinion of the beet officers in the army.
Arne a few words from the Marquis of LONDONDERRY in
sztuon,
house went intosommittee on the bill.
On Cerise I bring read,
The Earl of LUCAN moved as an amendment, that twelve
years be substituted for ten years in the infantry, and four-
teen years for twelve in the cavalry, artillery, or other
ordnance corps. He was actuated by no party spirit what-
ever ; his only desire was to make the bill as little mischiev-
ous as passable, and he hoped the noble earl would concede
his amendment.
Earl GREY said their lordthips bud before dead-don the
principle of the bill. Its main object was to make the dis-
charge from the army i punishment rather then a reward.
One of the great reasons why a short period of service
was desirable was, that if • man, was Mad mat for
the army, he would be diatherm; ,fig ill BM*. 01
life when it would be suit, sempeat Ike Mgt to
select some other occupation; and the rag ~ hie
discharge wasdeferred under such cireumatansme MVO II
would operate to his disadvantage. (Hear, hear.) If their
lordships adopted the measure at all, he could me no advs.tage in the amendment, and he would rather that their 10rd.,1
ships should mice:ilia measure shinether than adopt it ; fa
fact, he should propene net be proceed further with, the bit
if their lordships *greed he the intendment, Loselliti it. they
were to try limited enlistment at all, it should beiegalMage;
amid ha thought Kriod et tea years was quip
risit:,.,
Vheount CO. ERMIIRId supported the
The Duke of LL/NOTON had Meted, on • forme..
gesimlioe, bis reasons for thinking their lerdahips might safely.
adopt the principles of this bill. Ha had no reason to, be-
lieve they would not retain their old soldiers in the army
ander the bill as it now stood. lib reasons for stating
hie. of the bill before were not at all 'hokum
* arguments he had heard that evening. His
br^ that the advanmgeas held out ti molding by the
le hoed by her Majesty and the late Sovereign were
gent-Lwtanits which Minted geed nastbset solar es it
' insured by rower& ; and. DWI, espeeially a wamaat
fat
Nil issued, securing at the sad of a 11114111.11servies of 21
years, with his good service malty, • peatrmai
smone.ting be
als.• day. Ho thought with all them the ear-
-1 trim of the old soldiers might be redeinede wea meet
desirable. Us sine rely waled that the meta Mob withiage
lia the army might attain the *set of . wain her Ma.
trait goverment end the oilionn is eanchad ha irk* the
from the service ceseidned as a perklemeot; that
would Ca nicaitheirablething, and that beim slew mined
In two or thrse. alginate—it existed emsera the traps
about her Negev% pm" end he wwbed similar
sentiments to be 'diffused threughowa the army. n(iltral
At all event; 14 • conceived that the °Week which, on he
stated oft a format aoassion, Alley oe.ht Minty. to heap is
view—that of retaining the old eoldientht the areirweneeld
be secured under this bill. • (Hear. bah) .
_HIM the .nahle
earl apposite said this object weeld be analog' hysiropia
twelve years as well as one of ma. This be damns;
it might be only another mode of a MON dike,
(Hear.) There might be many tech „. beetbiamesaboomeis
propond by government, and which had loss adaiallnik
the other house of perliataent. He thaatsne; nazom
their lordships to adopt the IQ es k Mott (Herr. bar )
He did not think Out Ida white lend boo madames
say one for twelve lesteed ~of to t• sad hit
wino Indira of eleven WW =wad period. The siesiteb-
jut was to retain the old *lame in the army wails Any
weecemshie et marring sosidowua.tbe :
40 ge 41 years aid t allitilhill wetahl be.1473,1,114Z I
Fel( ran ai well aa one or Milo. ..LoCana. do 41. lc
their power to resider the . eareirs awn aMensaive amilsmio .
(getable, lo that the men alOs feel it. a poldissedls have
It
.:bps in the mesa time, oat these do othamodd idols
the terrine of tho ()id soldier as loogemlbor mina The
noble earl had spoken a the [militia to enellialibill edam
far getting rid of bad men at the eed of twain pews Lit,
rawely, it wadi be. boner to get rid of Mom at fie end ef
ten yeses. (Har, hear.) He did not wish to get rid ofilis I
services of any whom it might be advantageous to retain ;1
he wished to keep all the old 'Mahn is the army ; and in
his opinion the or sours b ;fore the house, by eneouraging
good orrice, and by giving an increased pension of a shilling
a day at the end of the wooed um, would secure that ob- .
ject. But it must be borne in mind that hitherto both
limited and unlimited enlistment had been in force. By the