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Mb douse provided that constables, whether borough or
*dotty. t• shall, la indiums to their ordinary duties, per
harm all each duties connected with the polite as the
jestion or the watch committee' shall from time to time
or as are In m um. to time, by any regulations
wa•
de ander this act by the lb cretsty of State, entered to
be police duties to be performed by such constables; " and
the &suss we; ton to decision la•ful for toe Secretary of
State, from time to tint.' to make such gametal reguiniona
as be should think fit for that purpose. (ilrar, hear.)
Now he would state the object with eatocb ttat inns. was
Intradueed. It -se awe of the clauses to which objections
had been made. sad he was totted tong that thew abjet-
toe, were rot thd to roma w. ight, and th.t they were res.
seeable ; but toe eject of the chips bad but isisondes-
stoal, and p nets owirg to lie three...stogy bad been
mister, eet t•d • fie bed eluded to a proportion
made at Le minoter, that the police should mita=
entain deli. s which the town mined aid at t think were
Ile duties of tee p barna, wed be had spoken of the
...dog of ex{ eau which would be odic ed in some count:co
ind borough, by imposing upon the ems ables, who were
geld for devoting their whole time to their ditty, certain
other duties c datteowd with the puice, such es the inepaC-
tion of weight. and measures, the oustreptece of ;abode's,
ihe serving precept. or notices, and the istapettoon of
salutes% 'thuds is the wall-regulated police system of
other comities and boneghs were putt resod gratuitously
by the policemen be meant with. at any etas Fannin to
thew, sod by whin a great saving wee Jetted to the pea
lie, although the perquisites of c. nab pawns might in some
dein ebe affected by it Now, in WOW DiSOSS doable bads:ism
Ir. ether the toed antlogine bad power to oaken the per-
form/ion of sued dune by the peace, dumb Is nosy
pieces ao objection wu made to it, sad it was dose with
great advantage aid mousey to the ratepeyere. It wu
therefore desirable that Wont doubts should be removed, and
that there should be an express power of declaring what
were duties to be perfumed by the police. Bat be was
bowed to say, having heard the objeetiou whin bad bees
mad,* that, eltlioagh introduced wik no sash object, it
weld aertaloly give a power to the Cemetery of State which,
if it were to be exerwed whim no necesesty trained for
it, by his requirtog the police to co certain things
adder his pole authority, might brooms liable to some
objection, sad he would therefore omit all the words in that
dun inter the word "require," la the Bth line, Indio it
• to the total authorities to determine, as they nem practically
did in moot places, what dative shunid be pea rated by the
police is addition to what in this claps, were termed the
.edieary police duties. (Cheers) Having honied to the
eeggestiooa which had been made with regard ti this clause,_
be bed decided to omit altogether to at power propoted to be
mina to the Secretary of State. The neat clans, the sixth,
which tad oleo been greatly objected to by the borough.,
propaed to place them under the same power of the Seert•
tory of State, that of making regulation. for the p dice. as
the counties •ere. It would enable the Secretary of State
" to make rake for Ike government, i ay, e tithing, stc-ratt
unite, end newsman of the minable.; o' soy borough" in
the ease way and to the same extent es he had sow to make
rules for tee coney police, the w- rde being identical with
thus of the Ginty Constabulary Let, which bad been in
fon e S teen 1, etre. There had bees area; eptrehesa One
espies ed that it was ir tended by this clause, and slider
these general earns, to take into the heads of the Secretary
of State the power of hindering to a great Cutest with the
lout authorities in the mansgement of the police. hods
he mast say there had been no such iistantion. It we. la.
tended only to place the borough police under theses.
controls, the county 1 odes, and no doubt it •ould be ern
deed ia the same manner, which Ind raked no objection_ lie
held In his hand the printed mulattos, which bed been
issued under that clause of the Coetaty Coostabolary Let.
The object of these wee—first, by presetibing the age
and statute rfthe constables, to 1.601.0 =On physirally qua-
d far the 'Am; neat, to secure that they should he
adequately paid, not by requiring eel Bud standard of
salary, bat Axing a miniumma and maximum, frog the chief
countable to the cosmos constable, leaving a wide diacri-
ties to the Veil authorities, but securing to the men as
adequate remota ratios ft r their whole ~me, and Leaving
then no prone. or enema for esseging is way other meg-
patio= ; ptottibiting altegeth. r any plumate by tees
to the county coutatnes, bat ace interfuse, with spe-
cial allowasees male by 'sprees peradesiee, foe the
unman of say journey, or with a reword give.
to any constable by the direction of a court of jeer
tics when he should appear to have deserved it. The regula-
tions further 'resided for the amnion of amble., to be
given to the see, the arms and an ietromeate they should
be tendon(' with ; the object ra,her bong to check the
pr active cf armies them with daageroes venoms, such se
firearms or canons, and to bare them only famished with
the common staff, tee p: upon ettraordinaryonesions,when
vaginae god disturbance were apprehended. Those ware
the whole t f the reinlations, inept those instructions ti the
chief mutable about the reports to be made by hum to the
& cretery if State, of which the objt Ct wee to ware that
information should be given of the number of ernes com-
mitted, the number of offenders apprehended, and
other statistics of crime, whisk it was desirable
for the government to have, and, if neowsary,
to lay before par:kunent; and it wee else required
that, in use of say serious disturb's/et being al pre.
heeded, indentation should be given by the chief constable
to the lc eti satkoritim, and, if maw sq. to the Secretory of
/Mete. Them were the regulations made under the County
Constabulary hot, and Its certainly had act antionated there
would have been se great an apprehension of en arbitrary
sad tyrannical exercise of the some power with regard to
bor ought. Bet he foetid that ensoy gentlemen who tie
proved of the bill feared ttat advent'se would be taken of
this dean at some future time to sena* en authority'
bind what the law intruded ; and they were 'axiom that
the clause should be omitted. Now, he had gives as pledge to
those gentlemen about the omission of that clause ; but this
le would say, that if the main object of the dam. could be
accomplished in any other way by this bill—and he was in-
clined to thick it euuld—he should not insist on the theore-
tical niformity of the provision with regard to counties and
boroughs, or on gaol Ling the clause from the County Conner
balmy At t ; sad it it would remove the objections of those
gentlemen, he thought these support of the bill would be
obtain, purchased by nthetitutiag la the bill itself certain
provisions which would do what was provided for in the
counties by those regulations to which be had referred, and
so letting it he done by the authority of parliament, as to
which no doubt could estet, end dispens'auwith any dia
erstidnary power of the Secretary of State. What he should
be inclined to do, therefore, was to omit that sixth clause
fa committee, aid substitate a Mane whin would prohibit
the payment of fen to the eonotables, and which would fur-
ther sense the use amount and kind of in formetion which
Ins required by them regulation to be trazionitted to the
Secretary of Stith, se that the askance of crime in any
borough might be supplied to the government Tin
beetaght him to the eighth clause, to whieb some objections
had bees made. It was desirable to obtain that thfonnaticra
about crime throughout the country which parliament was
always 'skims for, and which he bed pledged himself to ob-
ten, bet which there was great difilulty la obtaining, be-
came he meld not call on the head of the police is any
borough, at he could in counties, to send him such returns
hem dme to time. Omitting, therefore, the latter part of
the fifth dam., emitting the filth, and substitutes( other
provisions fir stick retinae being made from town, Mavis,
the snare of the information clearly defined whin they
were to unman to the Cemetery of State—provisions
which, being made by the authority of parliameat, mold
mot be open to the °Manion that they were at the arbitrary
diesnition of the Secretary of State—he should now pm.
pose that the bill be read a a coed time wad euessitted pro
forme, net kneading to proceed with it la committee till
the nue eheuld hove wen the alienating printed, with the
einem whisk he mean to substitute, and whin would. be
keel., altogether remove the cbjeations of malty gentle
• etdeetlose not altogether mires enable. I. ibis menet, be
thought, the oldest of the bill might well be meloyeibed.
He had sew Mated i• s pnvision, a Meeting beershe se wall

r otauttlits; sad he would uk tie brim wbrerat=
war prepared at sawn that this bill, with all char
unesia, was liable to the chards of vio'atiag the preiplo et
Baal s saagrateat,er whether it went one degree bored
what was areseety to remedy the existing defects. Be
was ratterapprobsultro of berg told that it did not sail-
-4.'4'1 provide a wordy for thew. But he did ar air at
parried°. ; k. wished sot to sou pet a retort .1 the local
riles, se arch so to lads' • aid p'nuade the local aa-
tt oritra to adopt sash a n fns as mu oratially rtorary.
In saying this, he was speaking of the burghs; fair the
erodes Ss did propose te take away the °ono& of sorb-
fishing a polies, or nos drags*, coder the earls, met. As
be bad said, tiara were 1101 i• suricipsi ruler which had
isetitlosed for the hill, and rm. lobsbitutta of bereugbe
bad dor so, eves whoa their owe t eotanalh obJeotod to
it; sad some petitions ia its ta.. ur bad toms from the
comities. He bad era w lb 'ursine that day • petition
from the sorra eericil of Loudon easiest ibis bill, re-
rostiag the sorra objectior to it. Now. lb. City of
Lasaua had rosily co interest in the matter, diteet or iodi-
ne. He bad not said oae • ord about the City cif Loser
p I or, brain it would cot he affected bv ibis MB; but tho
City of Loire's had a soot aliment pollr, ratrimuly well
managed, cod the sat coder which it wse eaten cord oar,
sun with this consul r f the C.ty of Losdoo, rueb more
cursive lumen of rottol to the Secretary of State than
wan emir suggeatel or hinted .t In tie bill for the
burghs. (Hoar, bear.) The City of London could sot
.ppoiat a duef trustable or chief sarairiorser of polies
without the apron/of the Secretary of 8 str,llo, a depot y to
set la his aborts or Mar ; and the Homo, on the mama-
reredos of the &cranny of Stets. might minim from
°Mee the Chief Commissioner of the City P. lios, sad all the
repastions lade for the City police worn subject to the ap-
proval of the erretery of Mats. Baeb beteg tho o no, be
sour sot kelp think's' trat the sot osition or the City of
London to 'hit bill was oroily to bs sic mated for by sappos
Is, chit, la this eapectation it moult be hit duty to bring r
a bill shortly for tios reran of tbe City sorporation, they
bad thooght it print to auks rano. sauce with Br

boroughs agaiest him upon this wession. (Cheers and
laugoter.) Stab, ea be h.d axil.iued, were tae objects of
th. auvernmen.t. A very b rg- deputation tome time ego
waited upon him, the L rd Mayor of York It smug them
to tesist oa the vett:tome.' of the b.ll, in which
they declared no an.enument •oiset be nitrated ;
and as they would offer to
,eu path n. for its emeadment,
but objected to the goverithieut in roduen g any bill, he
therefore told them that the peaty for oiecuesiag it would be
the House of Commons. 'the tem we. sow come tor the
opponsetc of the bill to show that 11.41114, wi y it should
vitae to accept any bill tor the rem. I; title detective state
of the pane. He .banal hau piglet:tea his duty if, after
the r ception this bill oat with •tiers no mulct d leave to
brieg it in, be had contested to w therew it. (Choate.)
He now asked the house tt lb.; tt ought u was justified by
the tam he bad stated, set j• et to the Melanoma be had
suggested, and io any others Ariel, to suede the object, to
vote.for iu setend n ading. but if the house were of
opinion that no case fir any reform e f the pelice had been
=tide fat, he should bete dune hie duty, and redeemed the
pleoge which be gave last cession, and he should be quite
siti bed with the result. (Cheers )
Mr. FOltffelElt said he had given notice that on the
esettud reading at this bid be 'haunt owe. to postpone it
for six menthe, and, although the right h n. bieroast had
sanmaced that he was ptei a•ed in commie... to remove
the moat obnoxious pent (smut cos measure, it U he had not
so far met hie objections as to justly bthe is wetbdrawiag
hie amendment. But even it he bad tehen the boroughs
allege her from the °pared a of the bill, there would still
bate temathed this danger, that the principle of centralise-
Ma applied this yea to counties might mother year be
argent with poetic Athos of semis to bumph', and go
VI TIMMS by ithriditg he oppesitioe might be slue to effett
that la detail whim they could n t cocoa push if the
boroughs sod counties were united against them.
Captain SCOBIILL was apeskiog there in one sense
as member far Bath, and in Bath the feeling was uni-
versal against the btl, but it he was not personally
against it nothing should have induced him to take that
view. Lord Grey gave them municipal 'dorm, ohlah
was one of the noblest monuments of hie adminithra-
tien, and sow ar,o'her of the same family wanted to take
it away from them. No adminietration was worth two
years' purchase, and they knew not woo ought bold the
seals of office, and who might turn this nutriment
to the oppression of the people.
Su H STRACEY • reed hie intention to support
the bid, partly because he had rot received from discon-
tinuous (who were very sumerou%) any Colliplainte with
report te its proposed enactments, and pertly recluse he
bads/es in the pubt c prune many c... a of late watch satis-
fied him that some nett a cutlet would be very desirable.
Sir G. FECHELL had hoped that he should this
yes. have had • quiet session, and that he
should not again have had to lift up but voice
against the principle of oeotrali.ation. lie had
Gems into the house just as the New Poor,aw had
waked out of it ; sod until the right bon. geuilesae the
member fur Leeds (Mr. Bate ) suet. tiled to office,
mum bed t sued without ho (he boo. and pliant rattle-
maa) having been comp. Leo to resist some inroid or
other upon she constitution. Tee parent bill was another
of those attempts, but he trusted that it not withdrawn it
would be promptly rejected by the Route of Com-
mons (Hear )
Mr. PACHIt, on the other hand, should g.vs the bill his
beet ninon.
Sir J. WALMSLEY would be glad toot the most efficient
sad the best regulated police pusible established both in
the tome and in the counties; bat he did not wish to see
the Secretary of State taterferieg to time matters.
Colooel SMYTH referred to what hat passed between
the right iseit. baronet and the deputstiou from Yurk, and
defended the meant r in which y o.m affairs were conducted
in that city. The alu tenor's made in the bill had removed
many of his objections; but he thought the best course
' woeid be to Irak& aw it, and introduce one coubned to the
cosaties. With tome farther alterations he should support
the second reading.
Mr. IiENTINCK said that many of hie objections to the
bill bad been removed by the alio and eloquent statement of
the right boo. baronet.
Me. W. J. FOX tad bit principal obj. ct fa rising was to
repeat the regain which hat been male by several bell.
members that the right hon. baronet would withdraw this
bill sit wither, and introduce a new ore having chiefly or
eatilauvely referesato the c amity police. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. HENLEY said the cutest mode in which govern-
ment could work their wid in either couet,t a or boroughs
was by separating them; he %bereft re h pet teat they
would stead togetner in I powder this bill (Hear,tea.)
B,r W. HEATIICOI.II thought myboay ho bad
heard the speech of the tight too. gentlemen who Lad just
sat clown would have supposed tut the eff toed mach
greater changes than it did. Its only edict would be to
place those counties which had tot yet availed the:maims
of the permissive power under the existing tic is the same
position as those soh ch h.d, and to enable them to
obtain a certain proportion of the expense by sub-
mitting to as inspection on the pith of tee govern-
meat. With regard to the boroughs, the only tillage
was to give a similar viewers in
superiatendiag power which the goverument considered
ana ssary.
• Mr. J. B. SMITH could not vote for the second reading,
as by so doing he should be affirming its principle, which
was to deprive the bargemen of this c ,untry of ult-govern-
meat. leers might be some p tints of the bill aiplicable to
the case of auntie., but let them be iscluded in a new bill
and let the pretest one be withdraws altogether. Had
inch kmeamith emanated from the other, side of the Louie,
the ewe hours' speech of Sir G. Grey would have bees de-
voted to the dissociation of Toy tyranny.
Mr RICE, on the other hand, contended that the bill
contained not the slightest iniringemeut of the instils@ of
the toreughs.
Mr. Deedes, Kr. Musts, Mr. Barrow, Mr. Cobbett, Mr.
Knight, and Mr. Hadfield spoke in opposition to the bill;
and Mr. Werner and Mr. Cayley in favour of its pricciplee.
Sir O. GREY said that, in muter to seated too. gen-
tlemen who had suggested that this bill should be w.th-
drawn and mother introduced, he regretted to state that he
could sat comply with their request. The alterations pro-
posed to be made did not Is the legit afiect the eriocip • of
the bill, and the amendments cold he rot at apptoprietaly
made in committee. In asking the house to affirm the
principle of the bill on the aetoud reenter he was on'y fol-
lowing the practice of the house, and be would take care to
have the amendments printed aed crculate cl, to that it
might be tally ascertained what the reposed alterations
were, and that they did cot at all effect the prig ciple of the
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The house divided—
For the mooed mean 269
Agates% It lO6-163
THE LOCAL DUBS ON SHIPPING BILL.
Oa the motion for bnogieg up the report of the ems-
matte* of supply,
Mr. GIBSON said be understood at the commencement
of banner that miming that there was some understanding
tome to hawses the noble lord at the head of the govern-
ment mad the hen. and learned member for Stamford as to
' the terms of the order of reference to the committee en
local dem en shipping. He wished to have it clearly stated
what the agreement wee, and whether the matter was to be
Mmeidered so for maelmiled that there could be no dimes-
Mom la the ham an then important subject ? He bad brew
biased that the eameabsioners' meat was to be entirely
samemded, sad that an Inquiry was to take plea as if the
seesainiesion bed never existed. He desired to be informed
whether the noble lord had agreed to any such arrangement
Vise .lint PALIMERBTON-Ber,—lii toe earlier part of
the myosin I stated to the boo. and leaned gentleman (Sin
F. Theeiger) that on comp snug tle terms of the motion of
my right eon. friend (Mr. Lowe) and those of the hon. and
Indeed geetl-mse's own emendmett, it appeared to me that
the terms of the amendment et mprised neatly everything
whisk we theeght eamatial, end that thereinto we were
seedy to agree to the emend ment—n &mall , theta committee
shield be eppolated, to whom amulet be referred to inquire .
into the matt, re which the c ,mmeasion was at pnlot-d to
semis*, and that to that committee should be referred the
',part of the eommiessoners. As to oiscutaion, ton. gentle
men meet jedge for themselves, when ne motion es made,
whether they ehould dream it or not. (Laugher )
Mr. DISRAELI was quite minified with the osactiosion
which took place on this subject at the commencement of
the amens ; bet as the aabjeit was one that bad excited
mach pubis etteetioe, he would Mate his own irepresaroa
with ngard to Me mane which the gose,naent had take..
Alter the defeat of what he might call the mutate tin rick
on the property of the iserporit one, the noble :ord (Lord
Pelmeretoe), as he sad( wood, intimated to the hires that
he should prom fora ememitte of inquiry, in a tote which
seeveyed to hem sad to amity of era teat he • oulo attempt
to de and reatly what he meld tot accomplish treaty, and
to effect by sap what he had toiled to a, complish by storm.
That appeared to him (Mr. Dar- ell) most elorming ; but
knowing that the snare of as inquiry trowel depended
apes the preens tonne of the motion in which It was pro-
p° ed, he simply seserved to hamoif the right of stein a
more meta= erasion on the proportion of the government at
a lasers time. When the notice of inquiry was given by the
Vasa-President of Use Board of Trade, it =math to him of a
seri deopross character. The V:c -President of the
Beard of Trade proposed to inquire how the recommenda-
tion of the eoyel commiseion with regard to the psoprtty
in question emild be carried int. effect, end that
proposition appmred to him (Mr. Dumb) (ate to as great
°Neonate es the original proposal of the government. To that
au emeedment was given notice of by his hone u, tense and
leaned friend, the member for Stamford. He ceusidered
that amendment moierate end *tee, while it patiettly
maintained the principles end tosiey wench bad beeci
as-
serted and defended in that (tar p. owlets) aide of the
beam. Although they mete cooldent is their o,,inions they
did mot shrink from inquiry, tat assented to the terms of
the amendment, at the same time repudiating the motion
that they were at all bond by the moo= adobes& of the