The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-22 00:00:00

nap, as khan elate ammistiss ► ving hem very Rua
tasitessd by the suibrusk of *Mira in *reelt pro of the
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AORICIILTLIELL DISTRESS.
Mr. (HUNTLEY BERKELEY asked whither govern-
ante esatsmplated any mama fa the relief of agricultural
&gum and whether ft was proposed to abate the income tax
as larded Maws ?
lAA J. RESSELL aid that grarnattnt had no special
messem fie the seta el sp oa iealtureti-
aa was =r ..81-• mire the keens to chargeable on
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KAFFIR WAIL
Mr. V. SEWS aid that during hapset nearly a maims
was tea IM Ear war, and at Asa time no account
wetfyswei to the Inn of the assmsr k which it had
bias esenaki. Sloss Oft a MA ban peosived
km Mr H. Plakiers by a awe of osseastu
That swats were n the esanekiswers of audit
m the Lad of May, Int sad Ills, had Emmdshal a short
Tara, otitis/ that the scanals were en esaylisated as to
bs naustalligahls. The commissional bed des rasitsted
osir rifinaci to a commission in the agony. He wished to
gaew whether his right honourable friend (the Chancellor of
do Rachman) meant to act on that gegen by appointing •
esmatimisa in the colony.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
at rfesieiag the sommissioners of audits report he had
cosy beck to the geology for fresh amounts. Until he had
iseseeld them be mold take no further maps in the metier.
IRELAND.
Nr. SADLYIRMas anxlms to bear the intentions of go.
erases' with retsina to two massures which we re of ohe
*Wm impertanes to Ireland. The first wan • health of
sums bill, and the other a system of reei.tration of births,
Lots, and marriage', similar to that which was carried on
Is Regbuid,
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped to proceed with a health of
towns 101 l during the pretest 1111111i011. With regard to the
star measure, although he fully conceded its importance,
br could not at present fir a time for its introduction.

bICIINLBERED MATES (InytyD) BILL.

The Woe west hdo sethmilese rim the bill.
Os oases 1, " appethileseth of esseasimiosers,"
lb. J. STUART espeeesed lie regret that no notice had
bees taken by any member of the government if the for-
Mashie objectless whisk he (Mr. Stunt), and other mint-
hem had started fes knew stages of this measure. His ob.
*llion was one of primeipb. Tim bill greeted a set of 1
Othuandosen Mbe paid out of the Eastisk exchequer. He
ivory lime erhh* related to this appoiatment
riti te
sem. Wilk Toped to those clauses which
ailed to the regulatith elf sales, it might be proper to
Sadder them, even eh the house aopt his view of
keying those powers in the beads of the Court of Chancery
which it was now proposed be transfer to the commisszonen,
theta ire he had not, mama the motion for going into
committee.
('ol. RAWDON thought it only just to the government
to read a short letter he hid received that day fn m Dublin
from a gentleman having great experience in such marten,
and in the management of property by the Court of
Chancery in fraud. That letter stated that " the bill for
the sale of encumbered estates in Ireland will be one of the
most beneficial museum for that country which has been
yet introduced. It I, pretmred with such wonderful clear-
ness, and the provisions of it are a simple, that it is unst-
erile:7 for me to trouble you with any observations in re-
ference to it." (Hear. hear) He (Col. Rawdon) also, from
all he bad heard, believed the bill would be attended with
peat advantage to Intend.
Mr. S. ADAIR thought the ememplets failure of the En-
cumbered Estates Act, as proved by the experi, nee of
twelve mmths, was is itself a sufficient sumer to the obser-
vations of the hen. sad loathed member (Mt. Stuart).
Mr. F. FRENCH had bees opposed to the measure when
It was list introduced, but had feud then, as since, that
the opposition of Irish members was always ineffectual oltes
brought tate competition with English prejudices.
Sir J. WALSH believed this ensemare would he like that
of lea year, wholly aced entirely ineffectual. It wee futile to
upset that the mere power to dispose of these est tes
would bring a spite) into tie conany, to be expended in
gleam employment to the t cop,. Men did not toy Istate a cm
the philanthropic principle of employing labour, Lat to make
profit to benefit themeelver, and until circumstances should
be an altered in Ireland as to give security kr the profitable
employment of the capital invested I. these estates, capital
wou:d not Soil its way there. He had a strong obj-lion to
the constitution of the proposed commission, which, like all
then commissions, was, in his opinion, an attempt to intro-
duce a none dangerous principle, which it behoved all who
loved liberty, property, and order, &restively and jealously
to watch. The enunissionen were to have ell the powers
of the Celia of Char.cery with reference to these *states,
without say of its safeapads. No provides eas made for
the rade' whose interest* were to be dealt with to appear
by counsel, nor was cry appeal against the decisions of the
cogent...bin ailowed, except with th- consent o: the commis-
sneers themselves. The eemosissineerships would involve a
delegatio of pow. nlt parties who, if they were to exercise
them at all, ought to be thoroughly masters of equity law—
persona et Lie h charmers, and station. lis objected to AO prir.-
ciple as estoOlishine a meat deogenue prey dent,andte kit a
very stro'.g darks that her lbjestre ministers would be ena-
bled on the tensest oceseims to give to the tonne some posi-
tive 11%.100.01 that the ethambeleas would he placed in the
hands r t men of Wag standing thil great legal knowledge.
Lord J. RUSSELL add the whole question we whether
the eat. of baud was oath se to demand some earserdi-
tau y remedy fur the purpose of facilitating the tr easier cf
tarl and the sale of iseusehnel estates to parties who
woul i do tb,ir deny by the soil and the tenants )steed
thereon, If tie musics were not one of an extraordinary
nature, then Om reasoning of the his, baronet who had last
addressed the home would be perfectly correct, became if
they were &Alai with an ordinary state of eireuntetanees,
it would be quite necessary and justifiable to make some
aniendonts ta the bill. But, as they stood, the house had
decided upon the second reading that there was a state of
circumstances in Ireland requiring as extraordinary ri medy
—(hoar, hear)—and what wee now to be considered wee this,
sot whether the principle .-..f the bill should be revised &he-
ather, hut whether the machinery proposed would carry
km effect the object in view, and whether the robs
nermered were auffielandy wrong for the esession, or
whether they were mote lartietrary sham was necessary for
the purport intended? (Hear.) lele may wished further to
state that he did not think the Chancellor of Ireland, in ex-
preoing his consent to this bill, had shown any want of
&Onto/Ant to the forms or proceedings with which he was
more omordiately conversant, or that he wished to divest
Wraith of any responsibility or labour which properly be-
longed to hon. His belief wsa, from all the oorrespondence
be had with the Irish Char cellar, mid from all he ket I seen
of him, that he screed with the opinion of the majority of
that house that it was desirable to adopt some extraordinary
means for procuring the sale or transit, of encumbered
estates, more especially for the purpose of speedily giving
a goal parliamentary title to the properties a dis-
posed of. That was his object, and he was by
so means actuated by any of the motives attri-
buted to him by some boa. members. (Hese.) The
beta member fur &meow:non (Mr. French) had intimated
to the house that these encumbered estate bale had bet n de-
vised by English members possessed of English prejudices.
He (Lord J. Russell) could not agree to the truth of that
vestment. The flat person h, had heard declare it to be
seminary that there should be a great change of proprietors
la Ireland, is order to produce prosperity in that e noon%
was a gentleman well known to the members of that house
—be meant Mr. Mare O'Ferrall, the present governor of
Mika. ( Hear, hear.) That gentleman declared, OD EN
back as the year 1832, that same means mast be adopted for
reducing a champ of proprietors in that country, before
say hope could be entertained of its permanent prosperity.
Colonel DI:NNE designated the bill a sweeping measure,
' ineensuih as it entrusted to a commission a very arbitrary
power over every estate in the country which was indebted
is steam the nulled amount. Various of the clauses of the
hell were anon unintelligible. He should like en explana-
tive to be given of the meaning of the Cith, 19th, and 24th
clauses
The CHAIRMAN suggested that it was very desirable to
take the clauses seriatim, commencing with the first (Hear.)
CoL DUNNE would bow to the decision of the chairman,
and aurae any amervations he had to make upon the
clauses moil they severally came before the house. But he
must again object to the injustice of the bill, and deny that
the pres-nt circumstances of Ireland afforded any justifica-
tion far its enactment. Land could not now be sold in the
aster country except at a price considerably under its real
value, although a sale under the Court of Chancery con-
kited as safe and good a title as any that could be granted by
Mr. °LOAN said the ben gentleman who opened the
discussion that evening had pieced the subject in a clear and
intelligible manner before the house wits& he alleged that it
was unconstitutional to 'paint these commissioners under
the bill. Ile (Mr. Orogen) admitted, with the noble had
at the head of the government, that the state of Ireland we
extraordinary, and that it called foe extraordinary meesteres,•
but be thought that if the objectious which existed
to the dadaist/aka of justice in the Conn of Chancery
were facilitated and meek that court might be mote an ex-
ceedingly enatheteat jurisdiction for the carrying out of the
Encumbered Estates Bill. (Hem) He admitted that mach
appreher DOD would he removed if the commissioners wen
named in one of the clanses,• but he contended that, supper.
leg the best men to be appothted, they would after all be the
'termini es of the government, and suck as absolute and un-
controlled power as that over the property of Ireland ought
sot to be vested is any mlesinistratios. (Hear, hear.)
Sir L. O'BRIEN thought the appoidatett of commis.
sifters would estab!ieh a safeguard, and effect a great im-
pennant in disposing of encumbered estates with justice
mall "Pi', ; bat then the house ought to be informed of the
name of those corernioioness. He bed the meet
perfect confidence in the present Lord Chancellor
and 'dietr of the Rolls is Inked, and he should
have no o?jectinn to abide by their decisions in buying or
d"I"4"'S of property, but he wee opposed to the investment
of extensive powers In inapossibli hands, and he should ,
Note aphid the bill value the names of the commissionaire
wive prated. (Hose.)
Col. DUNNE moved that the chairman report proms
sod ask Imo to sit sou&
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that so far as he had been obis
to 'guinea Inlaid was dooklodiy u favour of Ike prime
sarentre. (Hear, heard He felt Oat say Isla
memberdwell oppose a vacuum w=al likely to alai
each general benefit in the doer countay.
Mr SADLEIR reminded the house that the Lord Cloth
re& r ~t I Wind and the Chief Remembrance, of the
Fectitiel:l had ea alsolute poem at present to dispel
priwit. r‘ kir whatever sum night be offered, and de=
bad sometimes, up= the most trivial applications, rs
I sa'es, whereby seven' parties had been injured.