The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-08 00:00:00

came the gaudiest whether this additional force
should be paid cut of the local rates, or by an increased
charge upon the treasury, and it was felt that the sum
already advanced by the Treasury was ail that could be
Justly demanded from the public purse for this purpose. It
bra therefore been resolved to withdraw the bill, limiting
din owe the amount of the police rate, that rate being, let
it be borne in mind, already reduced from ftd. in the nound
to Od., and he could not believe but that this determination on
the part of the government had been soundly adopted to the
changed circumstances of the case. He would only add, en
this point, the expression of his opinion that were the sur-
rounding counties to carry into effect that readjustment of
the assessment which had been adopted in Middlesex, all
subject of complaint on this head would be removed. (Hear,
hear.) One word in reference to the deputation which had
waited upon him, and of which the hon. baronet had spoken.
lie must centers that when he read in the public papers
what purported to be a statement of that which
took
deputation,
on that occasion between himself and
the depuion, he was filled with astonishment. (Hear.)
The hon. baronet and other members of the house, who
were present on the occasion, would confirm his entire repu-
diation of that statement, as conveying anything like what
actually occurred. (lieu, hear.) He had always been
ready, nay, anxious, to receive deputations upon all matters
of public import. (lieu, hear.) And he should deeply
regret the circumstance, were a continuance of this practice
of giving such wholly partial and inaccurate statements of
what took place en such occasions to place obstacles in the
way of tree personal intercourse between himself and similar
deputations. ( Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME asked whether the right hon. baronet would
object to s committee to inquire into the statements trans-
matted by the police commissioners, and into the occasion of
the unlimited increase in the police expenditure ?
Sir 0. GREY said he would, if desired, at once lay the
statement of the commissioners before the house.
Sir R. 11. INGLIS begged to sek the right hon. baronet
Sir G. Grey) whether it was true that 4,000 men had been
added to the police force since the 10th of April; whe•
titer an unsual number of resignations had taken place in
that body ;and thirdly, whether the electric telegraph had
then placed at the diem sition of the government, in or& r t
afford the government facilities far moving the police into
disturbed districts ?
Sir G. GREY said that the police force had been increased
by 600 men et late ; that the report respecting a greater
proportion of resignations in that force of late was unfoulided ;
andaliat facilities had been offend by the Electric T,legro ph
Company to the pollee commissioners, but that the offer was
yet under consideration.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS.
Mr. M. MILN ES moved that the petition of certain no-
blemen, justices of the peace, merchants, and otheis in Lon-
don, for the estsbli,hment of reformatory. sedum' tor
juverii;e offender, (presented fit July), be putted with the
votes.
Mr. THORNELY said that a petition ilentical with that
presented by the hon. member hat been presented in the
67th report of the committee on petition'.
The motion was
COUNTY COURTS.
Sir J. DUCKWORTH begged to ask the Secretary of
State for the Home Department whether or not the govern-
ment have decided on the payment of °Claus of county
courts by salaries instead of fees ; and if no, at what time
that areingement is intended to be c irried out t
Sir G. GREY said that an order in council on the
subject was in preparation, which, erc r being aubmit'td to
the judges, would effect a commutation of the yayment of
fees by salaries.
Dr. DOWRING asked if the projected consolidation of
fees w.di being carried out ?
Sir 0. GREY sin that it had not yet been decided
whether to carry that plan into execution.
Sir J. GRAHAM called the attention of the tight hon.
b.lronet to the fact that the clerks of several of the county
coulee did not live w ithin seventy miles of their courts, and,
therefore, that their duties were performed by deputies.
The salaries of these clerks were very large, exceeding 3001.
Sir G. GREY said that the clerks of the county courts
always attended the judges on their circuits round their
eistr.cts, but that they did not reside at their court, for they
had several courts in different districts under their charge,
and the dote s of atte riding to summonses were performed by
their deputies in those places. It was the intention of the
government, by the order in council already referred to, to
commute the fees and to pay the clerks by salaries not

exceeding 6001.
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Sir G. GREY said that he should tie Friday next, at
twelve o'clock, to proceed with this bdl, in order to dispose
of the amendment of the hon. member for Limerick, and
afterwards to proceed with the measure is committee.
SUGAR DUTIES.
Mr. BOUVERIE asked the Chancellor of the Eaebe•
quer if he was prepared to allow the foreign sumo in
traneitu, ordered on the faith of the reduced duties coming
into operation on the bth July, to be entered at that
lower duty ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
was not prepared to allow such sows to he admitted at the
hwer rate of duty if the resolutions were reported before
they at rived.
Mr. 130UYERIE said he would raise the question during
he discussion on the resolutions.
Sir O. GREY, in answer to ft question, said that the go-
vernment had introduced the Incumbered Estates (Ireland)
Bill on its own proper responsibility, and not on that of the
Lord Chant, Dor of Ireland.
FORBIDDEN MARRIAGES.
Mr. S. WORTLEY gave notice that, now the report of
the Marriage Laws Commissioners bad been prevented, he
should on an early day move that the law forbidding mar.
Flaps within certain degrees of connexion should be re-
pealed.
DERBY WRIT (BOROUGH).
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Mr. A. STAFFORD begged to move that Mr. Speaker
do issue hit warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to
make out • mew writ for the election of two burgesses to
serve in this present parliament for the borough of Derby, in
the room of the Right lion. E. Strutt and the Hon. k. L.
Gower, whose election has been determined to be void.
Sir J. HAN ME it said he hod every reason to be thankful
to the noble lord for having taken charge of the bill which he
had introduced.
Mr. FREWEN objected to the Witte of the writ until the
inquiry had been cone into respecting the bribery at the
last Derby election.
Mr. HUME hoped the house would not agree to issue the
writ.
Mr. ANSTEY contended that it was unfair to punish the
whole constituency for the crimes of a few electors.
Mr. Ald. SIDNEY saw no reason why the innocent
should be punished with the guilty.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said he had been credibly informed
that 2,0001., in gold, had been taken horn the noble lord's
(J. Russell's) committee-room, and paid as bribes ; and if
the noble lord desired he would give him the names of two
parties who could be cited for the truth of this assertion, hav-
ing acted in the matter.
Mr. HARRIS recommended that the writ should be per-
mitted to issue.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought "it right the writ should
issue ; but yet, in the face of five &endues of the house, it
was contrary to precedent to do so, without first fixing a day
on which the question might be fully and fairly discussed.
He begged to say that he should move as an amendment
that the writ do not issue until the 15th day of August.
hlr. STAFFORD was about to consent to this amend-
ment when
Mr. HENLEY expressed doubts whether it was a fair
course to take.
Lord J. RUSSELL then gave notice that he should, on
Monday, move that the writ fur Derby be not issued until
the 15th August.
The motion was then.
SUGA byR leaveDU,
TIE S withdrawn.
The order of the day for the house to go into committee on
these resolutions was then read.
Mr. HUMS presented a petition from the planters of
Jamaica and others, praying that Welt India sugars be per-
mitted to enter the United Kingdom duty tree.
The Marquis of GRANNY presented -a
petition from Li-
verpool, praying for an inquiry into the glom neglect of the
Colonial-office, as recently exposed, in respect to the West
India committee.
Mr. BRIGHT asked if the noble lied (J. Russell) had
any objection to lay on the table of the house the memorial
he had received from the Manchester Chamber of Commutes,
approving of his declaration of May 30, with respect to the
sugar duties ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said he did not know whether be
could lay his hands on the memorial in question.
Mr. ANSTEY asked the noble lord whether it was the
intention of the government to permit the West Indian
planters to import foreign sugars into those islands, in order
to make rum and molasses for export to England ; also,
whether they would be permitted to import relined sugars at
the proposed rate of duties on muscovado?
Lord J. RUSSELL could give no answer at present to the
questions of the hon. and learned member.
In answer to a question from Mr. CARDWELL,
Lord J. RUSSELL said ho was not certain that the
house would not be obliged to sit to-morrow this day).
On the motion that the house resolve itself into a commit-
tee on the sugar duties,
Sir IL WILLOUGHBY rose, pursuant to notice, to call
the attention of the house to a despatch of Lord Hama, dated
Feb. 21, IFI4O. His reason for doing so was that Lord
Harris's authority had been quoted as fixing the cost of pro-
duction in the British West Indies at 108.4 d. the cwt. Now he
contended that Los d Harris held no such opinion. Hislord•hip
had appointed a competent persoo, a Dr. M itchell, to ascertain
the exact cost, and that gentleman's report gave an average
cost of 16s. Bd. the cat. At such a cost it was quite evident
that, without some protection, they could not contend with
foreign slaveorrown sugar in the home market. Another
f. et ascertained by Dr. Mitchell was, that sugar the produce
of the British West Indies wee inferior in quality to the slave-
grown article: eo much so that one cwt. of Cuba sugar was
equal to one ands half cwt. the producers( our colonies. The
host. meOher for Westbury had contended that the cost of pro-
duction in Cuba was lhs. 10d. the ewt., while in Jamaica it
wa,only ilk, 4d. if that were true, Jamaica would require no
protection ; but the fact was that a greater blunder had
n mutt
been made than the statement of the hon. member.
He (Sir H. Willoughby) could produce 15 witnesses to prove
that the cost of preduction in Cuba as compared with the
British West Indies was On the avenge as eight to twelve.
[The hon. baronet here read a list of witnesses who had
visited the various islands, and ascertained the cost of pro-
duction in each, the average cost on the whole being as eight
to twelve.] The result of all the information he had received
was that the relative cost of production, when stated in
figures, was in Cuba as 8,9, 10 to 16,18, 22, 24 in the British
colonies. He had not risen to make any motion, but merely
to call the attention of the house to these facts.
The house then went into committee, and the chairman
put the question, " That the duty on British mssouvado
ett;ar be -131. per cwt. from the Sth July, 1848, to the 6th
July, 180."