The Express.
London, England, 1849-10-19 00:00:00

PARIS, ?zeugma:, 6.30, rw.
The debate on Romig @Seim esmageneed to-day b
a speech from M. de inqueville, who rose and said
that before the great debate was engaged, he thought,
and hie colleagues agreed with him in this, that it
would be best to give a sincere and complete account
to the Chamber of the facts °caseated with the Roman
expedition. It was to this end that he ascended the
tribune, first premising that he should commence the
recital only from the time when the French army
amissod Rome. He thought that all than who me-
dal say influence in these affairs had in view the re-
setalaidemeat of Pius IX. Cries of " No" here inter-
regna the orator,and M. Dupin protested against such
violins at the commencement of a debate. M. de
Toequeville continued—He said he did not mean to
of those who voted against the Roman expedi
deo, but d these, on the contrary, who had been 'Au
its favour. All those who bad any influence, and eybo
had voted that expedition, intended the restoratior, of
the Pope; bet they desired that his return shoul.d be
simultaneous with liberal concessions and clew
The neje:Wiens between the goverpment sad tie
Pope had been carried on in this geese from Om sem-
mencement ; and the cabinet had beta int-need to
proceed in that sense, as it was according to
the wishes of the sensible portion of the
population, forming tbe majority is the Ro-
mem States. The Preach government never
intended to offer any violence to the will of the
sovereign pontiff, inasmuch as the papal power was
such that it must not be compressed or touched, and
the Pope himself was and most be preserved as
the chief of the catholic world. Still the government
thought; itself bound to make some respectful de-
meads of the holy father. They had asked him to
give bathetic= to the Roman States, to give them
civil liberty and peace. They did not wish him to
restore the liberties which he had at first conceded,
bemuse, from the situation in which he had
bast placed by then very men to whom he
hod made those eesessairme, it would have b: en
improper to press him on that point. M. de
Toommville, after the preamble, read several
dominate to the Chamber, which he said he thought
would be eassidered etinformable to the declaration.
he had jut made. These documents imagist of is-
erection given to M. de Corcellee, and the answered
that pleni”tintiary. From them the Chamber might
judge of the demands made by the French givers-
sent—demands in which they continued to persist.
He desired to give these preliminary explenatine
before coming to a document which had orested wi
noise from its impeetanoe, and from which inhumes
hare been drawn which it did not lead to. The letter
of the president, to which he referred, was a proud
renew of what France required. Though this docu-
ment was not official.the government could not but give
When approval. With regard to the matu proprio he
would say at once that it had not realised the hopes
entertained esepsetiag it. Yet it was but right to
remark, that thoagh each had been the character el
the document, still it had created the moat profaned
antipathies ia the retrograde party in Italy. The
mete people was bat a germ from which might
spring all the liberties which had been asked faci
(Laughter.) The minister then read a letter he bad
written on the subject to M. de Corcellee, to the sleet
that though the mote preprio wee, as previously stated,
but the germ of the liberties France advocated fir
Italy Zit was insufficient to satisfy the government; but
it hoped from the liberal intentions of the Pope
new favours for the Roman people. (Murmurs.)
" Another thing had been necessary (added IL de
Tocqueville) when the army entered Rome, and that
was to render powerless the demagogic radices; that
had ruled there. Orders were given to disarm all
foreigners likely to be dangerous. The city of Rome
was adminiater.d in a military manner. The 'satinet
guard disarmed. Fureigners who desired to lean
were succoured, and means given them to proceed to
their destinations. They had suffered no ill-treat..
meat, but, on the contrary, those very men who had
done France so much harm were saved from the
peps' reaction. They were saved even when their
partisans blood the Preach soldiers and flag in a
popular theatre.'
M. de Tocqueville then read nabs, letter addressed
to M. de Coroelles, in which an amnesty was de-
manded of the Pope and of the commission of car-
dinals. He hoped, in continuation, that the demands
of France would be all granted, because he had the
greatest confidence in the goodness and the intentions
of Pius the Ninth—a great pontiff, who had given
the signal of every liberty and of all liberal ideas,
and who bad been repaid by violence and murder."
This last expression caused an immense Aleut of
denisl, and M. Teetelin even called out "You lie"
(Vous mental The president rang hikbell, and called
M. Teetelin to order ; but that deputy. continuing to
make use of the obnoxious expression, M. Dupin
said : " I call you to order a second time, and your
name shall be inscribed in the Moniteur to-morrow
to that effect."
NI. de Tocqueville repeated the expression he had
need, and continued, saying that those whom France
had conquered in this affair might bless Heaven that
the arms of that nation had combatted, and not those
of another. He concluded by saying that he had now
communicated to the Chamber the instructions that
had been given, ar.d he hoped it would judge and
appreciate.
The sitting was suspended, in the midst of much
agitation •, it was resumed at half-past 3, by M.
Mathieu de la Drome, a member of the Left, who
said that he had foreseen, when the expedition was
voted, that the honour of France would be'tarnished.
Yet the speech that had just been made by M. de
Tocqueville, and the report of M. Thiel", were such as
to create the greatest astonishment, and to surpoes all
that could possibly be imagined. He could not con-
ceive how that could be defended :at the tribune
which was completely unjustifiable. Democracy, he
admitted, was conquered, and had been vanquished
in all Europe by the defection of all the men of the
old liberal party. Thanks to which defer ion, Lom-
bardy was bowed down beneath Austrian rule. But
he bad a presentiment that the people would again
arise. For 20 years there bed been men who ceased
not to turn religion and the Pope into ridicule, and
three men for 18 months past have prostrated them-
selves before a square bat. After having dissemi-
nated religion among the people, they would
now place them under the authority of
apiritualiem ! He would let the Pope know
that if he goes hand-in-hand with these men he is
lost. A great orator, whom the affairs of Rome have
east upon. a foreign land, had said to them " Your
intervention in Italy will be the caner either of
the shame of France or of an European war."
Gee half of the prophecy was fulfilled; might heaven
avert the other. What said General °slues in his
proclamations to the Roman people? That the
French government had no intention of imposing a
government on them, Once in Rome and the ministry
had imposed the papal government on the people.
And yet Gemmel Oudinot himself wrote that the
Roman people would not patiently suffer clerical go-
vernment. France, it was said, went to Rome to
maintain liberty, and what did she on arriving there ?
ake crushed liberty. Two parties, after the procla-
mation of the republic in France, united to combat
that republic by crushing it in Rome. Were
these two pries Isomogeneal ? No ; they de-
tested one another; they united only to op-
pose the republican institutions which they had
acknowledgd. The height of infamy seemed to be
an set perfectly
.allowable. They " desired to save
Rome from Austrian intervention," and it was to save
her from the Austrians that they went to fight there.
They promised to defend the Roman republic, and
their first act has been to crush it. If, at least, they
have fulfilled any et the promises (most insufacient
promisee) of the letter el Meat 18. The minister
approves of this letker,
_bat 'wording to him it was
not in say way Oda The letter promises as
armistice; a deb shoistotratice; the institution of,
the Code Napless ; • Beni anveremeat. He did'
not insist as the oppiltatios of tie Olio Napoleon. If
Pins EL bod boos_pkoool to odoilitit a tfq like
that el Orme" VIE, Weald istuts• have bees bound