The Express.
London, England, 1862-06-21 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING,

English thought and opinion, and English practice, I
literature, cad government. (Hear, Lear) European
Turkey contained. as the hon. member for Dimmest' bad
said, at least 11,000,000 of Christians of one name or other,
and about 2,250,000 or 2500,000 of Mahomedate;and every.
body, therefore, mot me that Turkey in Europe was in point
of tact, except in lie feeble govemment,Christma. Thispaper
was specially directed to improve the large Christian popu-
latios in that portal the world. lie had always understood
the noble lord at the head of the government to have almost
a fanatical wish that there should be intimate connection
between Turkey, and particularly Turkey in Europe, and the
people of England. How could that be brought about more
completely and certainly than by the circulation in that
country of such a piper as M. Zroos printed, apart from the
politics that be was willing to take out? It appeared to
him that in this matter they were following • batl -example.
He believed that the time would come when the Christians
and Greeks of Turkey in Europe would form Turkey in
Europe ; and when that time came—and it would come be-
fore long—it would be a groat advantage to them, and of
great political and commercial advantage to this country,
that the should be thoroughly intimate with the mates,
habits, , and practice which were to be found in
this!oountry. (Haar, hear.)
Mr. 11. A. SHUCK had been intimately mixed up in the
affairs which had formed the subject of an offensive charge
against the Under Secretary of State, and was able to give
his direct denial on his honour as a gentleman and as a
member of that house, to the insinuation of the bon.
member for Dungaree°. (Hear, bear.) He could appeal
to facts that would carry conviction to the mind, be would
not say of the hon. member for Dungervan, but of every
member of that house who wee prepared to consider these
matters' ins (sir; and candid manner. His hon. friend the
member for Southwark, from the time when hewn first known
in that home, had been an enthusiastic smarter of the
interviste of Turkey, and it was nothing new to hear his
hon. friend affirm that only • little good conduct and
honesty were required to put the finances of that country
in a good position. His hon. friend, after he bad ceased to
be chairman of the Ottoman Bank, became Under Secretary
of State, and it might therefore be supposed that the Otto-
man Bank wee the right place to come to to issue this Iwo.
But this loan was timed to a respectable firm in Capstan.
tioople, sod they came to London to endeavour to get it
negotiated. They applied to several respectable firms
in the City, and it was only when they were driven
by refusals ow all aides to apply to the Otto-
man Bank that the Under Secretary delivered the
epee& upon the issue of the loan at that bank.
When the tion was made to the Ottoman Bank, their
answer was that they believed they could issue this loan
upon certain atoditione ; but having already some years be-
fore been intimated in the issue of a loin foe the purpose
of putting thefinances of India into a healthy condition, they
declined altogether to have anything to do with it mama
they had some security that the money would be applied
to the purposes for which it was raised. After wondering
the matter, they informed the Turkish minister, and the
negotiators of the loan, that mikes the government of this
country would appoint some person to me to its proper ap-
plication, they would have nothing whatever to do with it.
The Turkish Ambassador thereupon applied to her Majes-
ty's ministers, are they thought the matter of sufficient
importance to appoint a person for the purpose. These were
the simple facts of the case so far as his hon. friend was
concerned ; and he begged to repeat most solemnly the
assurance that the conduct of his hon. friend throughout
was most hooourable and most worthy of him, and
any *tnainuation to the contrary was most unjust and cruel.
Sir E. CLIFTON thought the hon. =unbar for •
van had been very much misinformedas to what
taken plan in Turkey. It wee well known that the Sul-
tan had been doing all in his power to extend the resources
of his empire, by granting emeorsnoos for new railways,
and by improving the berboues on the coast. It wee, how-
ever, not to be expected that a government which at one
time nearly fell to the ground could move its fast as the
hoe, member for Dungarean or as fast as he might wish.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL maid that it seemed to him
the position of her Majesty's government and the responsi-
bilities of its officers bed been somewhat misapprehended
from a confusion in the matter, which after all resolved it-
self into a confusion of place. The complaint in this case
might have had some show of reason if the post-office re I
ferred to, Wetted of being in Constantinople were in St.
Martin's-le-Grand. It wee competent to the Turkish go-
vernment to have a post-office or not as it might think best,
and to decline to allow the circulation of journals by post.
It was also competent to a government establishing a post-
office in its dominoes, to keep the control and management
of that post-office in its own hands and under the guidance
of its own officers. That was the course adopted through•
out Europe. and they would be very much surprised
if they found is England there were poet-offices
a operation presided over by Turkish subjects
receiving exclusively letters and journals from Turkey, and
transmitting them to the parties to whom they were ad-
dressed. That was a thing which would never be endured.
(Hear, bear.) It was by convention only that one govern-
ment obtained es a matter of right from any other
the concession that either should be bound to make

its pod-came available for journals and foreign tor-
respondence, and the laws and regulation' of
every country prohibited the circulation throughout
it. dominions of papers tending to the disturbance of
order. Now, what took place with regard to Turkey? We
had no couvention with her, and therefore had no right to
call upon the Turkish antgorities to promote the circula-
tion in that country of • single puier or communication.
Turkey, however, with unprecedented L berality, had allowed •
post-office to be set up in Constantinople under the manage-
ment of British subjects, and not under the observation or
control of the Turkish government in any way, for the
purpose of circulating throughout Turkey printed papers
coming from the United Kingdom. The Turkish govern-
meat having since come to the conclusion that the circula-
tion of • certain journal in that empire was calculated to
be subversive of order end likely to lead to revolution com-
municated with the British government, and expressed •
wish that our authorities should no longer permit their post-
office to be made the medium of the transmission of that
objectionable journal. There were two coursesopen to the Bri-
tish government to adopt. They might do what theyactually
did, or they might have raid to the Turldsb authorities "We
think you ere calling upon us to fulfil an office not honour-
able to us, and not very creditable to yourselves, We
therefore decline to fulfil that office ; and unless we are
permitted to circulate the journal of M. Zenos, we shall
give up the Constantinople post-office." If, however, we
taken this second course, we should have subjected all
British subjects in Turkey to the great inconvenience of
being without such a postal arrangements they had hitherto
enjoyed. (Hear.)
Mr. V. SCULLY thought the Attorney-General had
taken the lowest possible legal grounds, in the view he had
adopted with respect to this question.
Mr. ROEBUCK suggested that the government might
take a third course, viz., ask the Turkish government
whether in the event of M. Zenos omitting all political ar-
ticles from the paper, and continiog it to literary subjects
and matters of taste, they would object to ice circulation.
(Hear, hear.) A little courtesy io office was a great thing,
and he would ask the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs
to turn his attention to that quality. A little regard to
men's feelings and • little less curtueas in gnawers might
smooth down many a difficulty. If he would apply him-
self to that art, and use the powers of his 'pied in teaching
the Turkish government that there might be some advan-
tage from the circulation cf • paper containing simply in-
structioa, he would do good to the people of Turkey, do
no harm to Englaad, and certainly confer honour upon him-
self.
Mr. P. O'BRIEN bore testimony to the liberality of the
Turkish government during the Irish famine, and said they
had shown a system of toleration which many Christian
government, might do well to imitate.
Mr. P. TAYLOR hoped that the suggestion of the hon.
member for Sheffield would be adopted.
The motion was then withdrawn.
Lord C. HAMILTON brought forward • cue which had
occurred at the wins for Tyrone, in which • solicitor who
was concerned Ina prosecution, as alleged, used his influence
with his brother, the sub-sheriff, to pack the jury, and was
himself a fraud juror.
A long discussion ensued, in the course of which
Mr. M'MAHON moved for a committee to inquire into
the matter.
On a division, Mr. kl Ifahon's motion was lost by 134 to 14.
The MAKER then left the chair, but the house imme-
diately - -

rammed, and
The report of supply was brought up and agreed to.
MERCHANT SHIPPING ACTS, he., AMENDMENT

This bill was read a third time and paned.
SALMON FISHERIES (SOOTLAND) BILL.
This bill wan rad a third time, and pored.
LUNACY (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bell, an ammided, wan eoesidavd.
NAVAL AND VICTUALLING STORES BILL

This bill, ea =ended, was considesd.
Mr. HENLEY drew attention to a very extraordinary
provision in this bill, which gave *very inspector of polio*
at any of the dockyards power to write to the polio. am-
mitsicioers in London to *arch any ono's home. He begged
to move the omission of clause 15.

Lord C. PAGET said the proposed wee not to give power
to search the house of soy one—it was only to search the
houses of persons actually employed in the dockyards and
of marina store dealers. He would, however, omit the
clause. (Rear, beer.)
lb. KINNAIRD waa surprised that so useful a measure
should be impeded by the right hon. gentleman on a mere
technical objection.
The clause was struck oat.

Mr. AYRTON maid it wee a monstrous thing that the
government ahotdd sell marked stores, and then should
claim an arbitrary power to follow those stores all over the
world. Be hoped the bill would naive proper attention in
the other home.