The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-24 00:00:00

cetrine propounded by the hon. gentleman oppoeite. (Hear,
hear.) Be -bad always, while ready to afford du- sympathy
and hoepitality to deserving Polish exiles, regarded this an-
nual grant for their maintenance as a complete robbery of
the English people. (Hear, hear.) As to the refugees
themselves, most of those contemplated by the parliamentary
grant were,
men who, in the patriotic struggles for which so
much merit was designed them, had in reality fought only
for their own interests, so members of one of the most trait•
laical and exclusive aristocracies that ever ground down •
people. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. ROBINSON should certainly. vote against the grant,
unless it were understood that it shoud never again make its
apprentice in the estimates.
Mr. B. OSBORNE had no wish to be uonecerearily
harsh to there people. and therefore if the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would aow give a year's deer warning to
them that they were not to have any more money titer this
year he would not divb e the committee.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR supported the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer's proposition to make an inquiry into the claims of
the Polish recipients, ant aster the present year to direct:
tinue the aid to such of them so should be found to have
other resources or to be in any way able to provide for them•
selves here or abroad.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured the
how that no person should heneeforw.ird participate in the
grant who was not by erre-end infirmity prevented from
returning to his own country, or who had net other means of
existence here.
Co:. THOMPSON said that if the Poles were to be told
to return to Poland, they mu.; be supplied with the means

oleo dourg.
Col. SIBTEORP expressed himself unfavourable to the

t.
gran kir. B. OSBORNE said that the prosni-e meat by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer was quite satisfactory to him.
Tne veto was then agreed to.
The sum of 6,6691. was neat prorsed, to defray miscrl-
laneous allowances on the civil list, not otherwise provided

for.
Mr. C. LUSHINOTON objected to that portion of the
voe under the head of Reium Douu. Ile did
sot on thepart of the great bulk of the dissenters omf England
aed Wales, who stated to him that they regarded this gift to
their ministers in the light of •degradation, and alum a total
sable rsion of the voluntary principle, *like offensive to their
independent sentiments and to their religious convictions.
He moved that the vote be reduced by the sum of 1,695 i.,
the amount of the Reg.um Donner.
Col. THOMPSON raid that this question stood upon very
peculiar grounds, for here was a remonstrance agadist one
act of oppressive benevolence on the part of the unwilling
recipient. of the Regium Donum. The dissenters were de-
sirous of being relieved from the payment of church-rates,
an! they would cheeitully be absolved from all further ne-
cessity of receiving the present unwelcome gift.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that thoso who protested against
the present grant were not the recipients of it, nor had the
latter authorised the hon. member for Westminster or tly
hoe. and gallant member for Bradford to protest against N.
The grant was made by George 1., and it bad been cone
tin ued ever since. Dr. !tree, who was one ache distributors of
the li.egium Donum, stated that the number of applicants for
it was greater than ever, and it was found that all denomina-
tions of presbyterians received it in nearly equal propiniofts.
He was dispoa-d to regard the opposition to the greet as pro-
ceeding from the association called the Anti-State end
Church Union Society.
Mr. W. J. FOX said the noble lord war not well informed
when he asserted that the hon. member for Westminster was
no authorised to protest against the grant, and to move its
omission from the estimates. All the three denominations
of dissenters had repeatedly protested against the continu-
ance of the grant, and so had their congregations. The grant
was, however, not placed at the disposition of the dissen rs.
The Treasury selected Dr. Rees for the distributor, and he
again chose his colleagues; they were al; independent of the
dissenters, and they carefully concealed the names of the re-
cipients lest they should be covered with opprobrium. It had
beta said if the dissenters objected so strongly to the grant
why did they not raise its amount amongst themselves. This
hat been repeatedly offered to be done, but the trustees of the
'leg ium Donum stated that unites mum necee ary to secure the
payment of the grant in perpetuity was raised they wAild
not agree to it. refusal, and upon this the dissenter' with-
drew their offer. There could be no doubt that the amount
of the grant. if it ceased, would be very speedily supplied
from voluntary contributions. To continue to inscribe on
the lists of royal alms receivers a beefy of men who were un-
willing to he so inscribed war an act of extraordinary in.
justice to the whole class of dissenters. If the government
would persist in forcing the grant upon its recipients, let
them at least do the dissenter the justice of altering its title
in the votes. and call it a charitable grant to Dr. Rees and
others, to be disposed of according to their will end pleasure.
Mr. KERSHAW said that the noble lord was wrong in
attributing the opposition to the Regium Donum to the Anti-
State and Church Union Aasoeiation.
Mr. G. THOMPSON opposed the grant, and stated that
the dissenters would gladly pledge thee.eelves to raise an
amount equal to, and even exceeding it, for the purposes to
shish it professed to be applied.
Mr. BRIGHT said be had more than doubts alto whether
Dr. Rua wee a dissenter, for in kis evidence he had stated
that dissent was en evil. lie believed that if the 1,000 dis-
senting clergymen knew the source from whirl the money
came, or their congregations knew that they were recipe-
en's, it would soon be generally repudiated. He asked
whether the noble lord would object to give a return of the
names of the clergymen who received this money
Lord J. RUSSELL objected to the return asked for on
the grounds that ft would be holding the recipients up to
palate obloquy.
He hardly thought that alms should be
objected to on the grounds that they were given in secret.
Meer, hear.) lie should not object to withdraw the grant
provided the dissenters undertook to supply the d. ficiency.
Mr. C. LUSHINGTON wee inclined to withdraw kb
opposition to the grant, provided the noble lord would pro-
mise not to propose the grant next year, coutiugeatly on the
dissenten themselves supplying the deficiency.
Mr. HUME opposed the vote, as opposed to the *idles of
the dissenters geeerally.
Mr. KUNTZ objected to the doctrine of the noble lord as
to sway in almsgiving. It might be a sound doctrine as
regarded the charity of individuals, but when the charity
came from the state, the representatives of the people bad a
right to see that it was faithfully dispensed.
Dlr WYLD repodiab d the assertion of the noble lord
that the dissenters were the recipients of alms. (Hear,
heir.) He was sure that the dissenters, on learning the
neb,e lord's declaration, would be unanimous in repudiating
the grant. (Hear, hear.)
Alter an observation from Mr. BRIGHT,
Lot J. RUSSELL arid he had refused the returns be-
came the hon. member who asked it stated that his object
was to hold the recipients up to public odium.
Mr. REYNOLDS said that part of this vote was for
Preach clergymen, who had fled their cuntry at the period
of the edict of Nantes. Now, allowing those venerated pastors
tohave been one year old et the time of their ordination,
they must have now reached the patriarchal age of 144
yearn. (Loud laughter.) He found that nineteen of those
patriarchs had received their money in 1847. Perhaps they
were :n a trance, like Rip Van Winkle, and awoke merely
once a year to receive their re ism douum. (Loud laughter.)
He should move that the vote-be redai ed by 1,6001., the item
for French eccleentatical refugee,.
Mr PARKER opposed the amendment.
Mr DRUMMOND while he vindicated the character of
the recipient., opposed the grant upon erinciple. He objected
to all grants of this description.
Mr. REYNOLDS intimated that he would withdraw his
amendment for the purposeof proposing it again on the
Winging up of the report.
divAon was then taken on Mr. Ltishington's amend-
ment.
For the vote 6O
For the amendment - 82
The vo:e was then agreed to.
Toe CHAIRMAN reported progress, and asked leave to
sit ..gain at -de o'clock.
OFFICE OF COURTS OF
L.J'.7STICE (IRELAND)
BIL
On the motion co Lord J. ROSRILL, the order of the
day tor the second reading of this bill was read and dis.
cherged.
'lnc house adjourned at a quart-r to 4to a quarter to 6
o'clock.
'ln, house resumed at a quartet before 6 o'clock.
THE MINT.
The CHANCELLOR tat the EXCHEQUER stated, in
rein. to Sir J. Tyrell, that the comitiesion on this subject
would conclude their labours within a month, and then
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
Load J. RUSSELL arid, he take the Diplomatic
Relitions with the Court Copper Bill to morro (this day)
a 1:, and the Spiria AADuties Bills at 5 o', lock.
BLOCKADE OF HAMBURG.
Mr. WAWN inquired whether is was the intention 01
her ..tbjett• 'a s...vernment slow the blockade e Harm-
bur? t continue with its atteedaut interruption to British
commerce at that port
L rd PALM ERS ION replied tent se the city of Hain.
burg was rune of the Germanic co,kderat on, and ra war
es,e.ed bet green the Danish government and the conteders.
Sou, the foriiirr had a perfect right to blockade the ply. of
Han.hog, and it was not therefore the intention of her
Majesty's government te interfere with the blockade, espe-
cially as they were now engaged in an attemm.to mediate
between the parties. With respect to question" on this sub•
ject, he (Lord Palmerston) should be obliged if they. were
put to him in writing, because any answer he might gin in
his place in the hou-e might be misconceived or misreported,
and thus inconvenience to the parties interested might
thereby be created. It the questions wee, reduced to wri-
ting he would reply in writing, and afford the best informa-
tion in his power. (Hear. hear.)
THE WEST INDIES.
Lord G. BENTINCK inquired whether the bon gentle-
man the wider 'secretary for the colonies (Mr. Hawes) would
have any objection to lay before the house a copy of the
eneworiil which had been addressed by the Jamaica Cham-
ber of Commerce to the governor-general of that colony ?
;Mr. HAWES said if the memorial had bees sent to tlis
country with the governor-general's despatches, be should
have no objection to produce it.
COLONIAL LIGHTHOUSES.
Mr. HUME (on the question for the house resolving it.elf
Into *committee of supply being put) said that among the
votes to be disposed of to-night, was one of 2,0001.
for a;lighthonse at Barbados': he wished to call attention to
the want of management in the establishment of lighthouses
in various parts of the colonies. These lighthouses were 144
in number, and when the colonists desired any alteration or
improvement they were at a hoes es to the department to
which they ought to apply. Sometimes they went to the
Board of Trade, then to the Admiralty, afterwards to the
Trinity-house, and even, he believed, to the Colonial-office ;
befalls and all of these departments said they had no autho-
rity t, interfere, and thus the c:ilonists were basulied about
fr.an eon to the other *Mout obtaining any redress. He