The Express.
London, England, 1862-05-02 00:00:00

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HOUSE OF COMMONS.—THUSSDAT, MAY 1.
The SPILL= took the chair shoddy after 6 o'cilock, there
being exactly 40 members present.
PRIVATE BUSDIESS.
The following bathwere reed • third time and pawed :
Bala and DoWly Railway. • Carlisle and Silloth Bay Rail.
way and Dock; Urystal Fallen and South London Junction
Railway; Eastern Mien Railway ; East Grinsteed, Groom-
beidge, sad Tuabridge Wells Railway ; Leadburn, Linton,
and Dolphintoa Railway; Loadoo, Brighton, and South
Coast Railway (new lutes) • London Railway Depot and
Storehouses; liaryport and Carlisle Railway ; North
British Railway and Carlisle and Silloth Bay Railway and
Dock Companies ; North British Railway and Port Carlisle
Dock and Railway Companies; aud North British Rail-
way (Mouttouhall• and Ormiston and Dalkeith Branches)
Bills.
THE RECORD OFFICE.
Mr. B. COCHRA.NE gave notice that, on going into
committee of supply on Friday, the 9th of May, he would
call the attention of the house to the Mitemeut made on
Tuesday la.t by the First Commissiuser of Works respect-
ing the cood.tion of the Record-office.
RECENT MURDERS IN IRELAND.
Colonel DICKSON gave notice that be would on Friday,
the 15th Mar, call toe atteatioe of the Chief Secretary for
Ireland to certain tunnies recently committed in that
country, and move for a select committee to inquire into
the organisation and employment of the Irish constabulary.
THE AMERICAN MAILS BETWEEN IRELAND AND
ENGLAND.
Mr. LEADER asked the Secretary to the Treasury whe-
ther his attention had been drawn to the delay that occurs
between toe arrive/ of the Amencau mails in Queenstown
harbour mud their being placed ou the Cork and Dublin Rail-
way for tronsudimion to England ; and whether he was
aware that by using the Queenstown Railway a considerable
saving of time could be effected..
Mr. F. PEEL was understood to my that he had been
informed LI the Post-offico authorities that if they used the
railway instead of the au:moire between Cork and Dublin it
would ou:y effect a saving of about 35 minutes, but that
would not obviate the deity which sometimes arose between
Kingstown and Holyhead, which was the more important
matter. The Post-office authorities hi communication with
the directors of the railway had found that there would be
cousidemule difficulty in running ozone trains at any hour
of the night, and under these circunistoucea it was intended
to continuo the present arrangement
THE MARKETS AND FAIRS (IRELAND) BILL
On the order of the day for the consideration of this ball
as amended,
Sir H. CAIRNS, i 2 reference to the notice of motion
given by the hon. and learned member for Cork (Mr. V.
Scully) that this bill should be re-committed, said hewould
venture to suggest to the government that that course would
be the more couvenient, 'lid there were a great many amend-
ments on the paper, inasmuch as on the third reading of
the bill it would not be competent to make any amendments,
however much the clause.' which might be agreed to at the
present stage of the bill should clash with the clauses
already paamod.
Sir IL PEEL mid if it were merely intended to re-com-
mit the bill for the purpose of discussing the amendments
on the paper and any new clauses, the government would
not object to that course ; but if it were intended to re-
commit the whole of the clauses in the bill for the purpose
of discussing them over again, the government would not
agree to sum a course. (Beer, hear.)
After a short conversation, the house, on the motion
that the bill be re-committed in reference to the several
clauses proposed to be amended and the new clauaee pro-
posed to be added, went into committee, Mr. Meanly in the
chair.
Mr. MMAHON proposed the omission of clause 1.11,
with the view of substituting a clause exempting from the
necessity of weighing at the public weighing-house goods
sold in the shop, place of business, or dwelling place of the
seller.
Sir 11. PEEL objected to the amendment on the ground
that it struck at the root of compulsory weighiug.
The clause was agreed to without amendment.
On clause 10, relating to the erection of a public weighing
machine in the store-house of the merchant,
Mr. IL HERBERT referred to remoostritoces which be
had received against the clause from the Chamber of Com-
merce of Dublin.
Sir R. PEEL believed that corn merchants were
adequately protected by another clause against any potion-
tile injury.
Mr. CARDWELL said the only object of the clause was
to remedy what was felt to be an inconvenience. The pro-
posed male would be under the coutrul of a weighiug master
and would be a matter of general convenience.
Lord FERMOY 'giddiest nothing could justify the clause
except the conviction that great fraud was practised iu
weighing in Ireland. He thought it would defeat the object
contemplated by the bill.
Mr. GEORGE complained that Irish members had been
taken by ,uprise, as they were given to understand that the
hill would not come on that evening.
After some further discussion,
Sir R. PEEL said that before Exeter be distinctly stated
that the measure would be brought forwarilthat night, and
be could out understand why it should not then be taken
into consideration.
Mr. MONsELL suggested that the bill should be re-
ocmmitted pro forma, and that the right hon. baronet's
=sodium:its should be priuted, or otherwise the house
would have no clear idea what it was they wore passing. In
Limerick, however' a very similar measure had been for
years in operstion, and army class of the community were
strongly io favour of it.
Sir it. PEEL said the new clauses (which bed been drawn
up with great care) were proposed solely with a view to
carry out the wishes of the house.
Sir H. CAIRNS believed that there was a unanimous
feeling in Ireland that the bill should not apply to merchants
dealing in foreign grain, who were not in the habit of using
the market at all, but who conducted their business in the
Corn Exchange. He thought that the committee should
now decide this question, but that the wording of the clause
might hematites be reconsidered on the report.
Colonel DICKSON said the only thing he had understood
in the discussion was the proposal of his right hon. col-
lo=that the bill should be re•committed.
FERMOY moved that the Chairman report pro-
gress, in order that an opportunity might be afforded to
the country of forming an opinion on the new clauses which
had been added to the bill.
The committee divided and the numbers were :
Far the motion 2l
Against it
Sir H. PEEL said be did not wish to press the bill for-
ward. If the bill were allowed to pan through this stage,
the clauses might be reprinted and considered on bringing
up the report.
Mr. BRADY asked whether it was the intention of the
right hon. baronet to recommit the bill.
Sir R. PEEL said no.
Mr. CARDWEI.L explaired that this bill instead of
less, had received more 000sideratioo than usual.
Lord C. HAMILTON observed that owing to the circum-
stances of the day, several hon. members were absent who
wished to take part in the dhscussiou.
Mr. VANCE saidithat, acting upon what be believed to
be good authority, he had told the committee of commerce
in Dublin that there was no chance of the bill going through
till next week. The measure was looked upon with great
anxiety in Ireland.
Lord PALMERSTON said it was quite dear that it would
be for the convenience of the house to have the bill with his
right hoe. friend's amendments considered. (Hear.) Then why
should not the committee puts the clauses pro fossil f
Then his right hon. friend might put in his amendments ;
they would be printed ; and on the bringing up of the re-
port those parts of the bill which it was wished to discuss
might be recommitted and discussed in committee. (Hear.)
After come observations the proposition of the noble
viscount was assented to, and new clauses were read a se-
wed time with amendments, and agreed to pro forma.
The house resumed.
THE POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) No. 2 BILL
The house went into committee oo this bill, but progress
being objected to by many hon. members in consequence of
the lateness of the hour, the house immediately resumed
without any progress being made.
BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION (IRELAND)
BILL.
On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Mr. HENNESSY suggested the propriety of passing at
that stage of the bill a resolution which should have the
effect of preventing the employment of the pobee in the re-
gistration of births and deaths in Ireland. The police were,
as a rule, of too limited attainment.' to be entrusted with
the collection of statistics upon a matter of such vital im-
portance, and the result of imposing upon them that duty
would be to make the force unpopular. He moved—" That
this house is of opinion that it is not expedient to employ
the police as the registrars of births and deaths in Irehme
Mr. DAWSON regretted that the registration of mar-
riages was not proposed to lee dealt with by this bill. He
acknowledged the difficulty of dealing with that part
of the question, owing to the prevalence of
greligious differences in Ireland, but he re-
the system at present in operation as so un-
satisfactory that he should view with gratification any mea-
sure, from whatever source it came, which should deal with
the question of registration in all its branches. He objected
to the proposal of this measure to meet the expense by local
taxation, considering that the coat should be defrayed out
of the Consolidated Fund. He should have preferred to
the present bill the arrangemenmproposed last year by the
believing as be did that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer,
medical officers of dispensary districts w0...1d be more trust-
worthy agents in the collection of statistic with regard to
births and deaths then the constabulary force.
Dr. BRADY agreed both that a registration was abso-
lutely necessary far Ireland arid that it was di..graceful to
that country not to have bad one established long ago. At
the sane tine be denied that the police was the proper body •
to which to ° otant the duty. There was* feeling in Ireland.
that would revolt grains% the idea of allowing common
policemen to come into houses and make themselves an-
ti nted with the secrets of families. He considered that
the beet men to perform the teat would bathe medical men ;
sod if the house was not in a position' to remunerate those
gentlemen properly for the work, let it wait till it was.
Sir F. BEYGATE considered that the pohos were not the
right body for this employment. ' He did cot wish to dry a
word ■against the force, bat he did not wish the Pesnatry of
Irelamd to find the police set to do everything. It she con.