The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-10 00:00:00

other railway companies. Now from the moment that the
600,0001. now prepased to be granted should be advanced,
the period would sot be distant when the propassl of the
h: a. member for Itommaines must be en'ertaiued by the
'overseen at, end th .t, too, upon grouada which could not
be resisted. He felt loathe distress of the people there, but
he must say that he knew greet ditheulties in the path
which the Chancellor of the Exchequer was entering upon,
sad he moat therefore oppose the resolution.
Mr. HUME said that, as a general rule, he had always
looked with great jealousy at any advance of the public
mosey tor the purposes of completing private enterprises. In
consequence of that jealousy, he had most narrowly exa-
mined the whole of the grounds upon which the resolution
before the h. lit) was based, and he had come to the conclu-
sion that the proposed loan might fairl, properly, and
safely be made. The e-mpany had already expended
800,0001., and 50 miles of road had been constructed,
the 'scripts bring now 1,000/. per week; and be found
that if the line were continued to Galway, it would
be productive of • variety of very great advantsgt a
whin., were sufficiently obvious. The next question to be
considered was, the security which the government could
obtain for the loan, and all things considered. the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had taken a fair and candid view of the
matter, and bred satisfied hem as to the validity of the NCU-
rity that was ;•ffered. The right hon. gentleman had stated
that he should carefully watch the expenditure of the sums
advanced to the company, and see that edentate value in
laboar was ob'ained. Oa the whets, therefore, he was of
opinion that the advance was fairly and properly made. He
had voted in su..port of Lord Aitherp's motion to assist Ire-
land by yeast:undies railways for her, and under the cir-
cumstances he had stated he should give his vote for the
resolution, though upon principle he was opposed to inch
loans.

Kr. O. GORE said that the government had done a
miss and a moot beneficial thing in bringing forward the
presmt propoeition.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he was obliged reluctantly to differ
from the opinion that hail been expressed of thin mea-
sure. Oo a former occasion, in 1847, the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had said he did not like the state
to become a money lender, adding, that if the parties
had good security to offer, and the speculation was fair one,
ho bad never known any difficulty in the way of obtaining
loses from private individuate. What had since occurred to
change the whole toes and views of the right hos. patie-
nts,. ? In 1847 Lwd George Benda& had proposed a regular
plan for making advances to the railways of Irelead ; sod
bad be (Mr. Roebuck) bees &pond to accept any plan of
money lending, he should have accepted twat. Here the
Chancellor of the Esehequer ems forward and declared
that, in Tits of all the oppoeitice he had then made, he was
now going to lead money to the always, whereby a trade
would be °posed, end so doubt a good dividend wool be
obtained. But would not this circumstance Liflueire private
lenders; and why ebould like :state lend money
If private lenders could be found ? If rivet, lends m could
set be found, the justification pleaded for tne measure did
set exist. But Le distinctly objected to the state lending
mosey for may such undertaking, either in Ireland or any
part et the kingdom. The data of Ireland was nothing like
so bed as it was in 1847; and, eves it it were, the present
state of England was by so mews favourable to the proposal.
The p oar rites were iitereseiwe is every anion throughout
the kingdom. Is beotland—hardweekine, industrious
Scotland—they had amounted to half a million, and were
expected to be 600,0001. this year ; though a tow yeses ago
they were ugly 40,0001. And what was ibis money to be
lent for ? Not way for the purpose of giving people 'labour,
but to teach them to labour. But money Let to railways
din net enxiloy the suffering people, bat the ab'e• bodied
and the chancen were that, instead of Irish labourers, dallied
kbasten frost England would be kt to work with this
mosey.
Mr. NEWDEOATE regretteil that the hon. member for
fgbstield should new with jealousy any proposition which
=Wu collaterally benefit Irish lasdlorili. Ue supported
the prepoevl on its merits per as, and regarded it as a tribute
elm the whams of his late noble grimed, Lord George Bestial.
Mr. ROEBUCK explained that be did nut oppose the
leas sekly because it would benefit Ir4sh landlords. An to
the wearily el the government only being given, he consi-
Awed that that would not be asses/my utilise there was a
question as to the value of the investment.
Sir 11. W. BARRON said that 7,600.0001 had mealy
ben advanced a- lame in England, and the bile of the hon.
Umber for She M. I I had never been excited by that dream-
stases. This hod bees done in rick and prosperous Eng.
line, Mkt. capital *weft swed, and lettere the poor were not
starving akolud Of this sum, 1,470,0001. had been ad-
vanced fee canals and bridges, and sums or nitro ids and
workkouus. and 250,C001. for the Thome. Tunnel
(Laughter) Where was the patriotism of the hon mem-
ber for Shr Meld when thus large sum+ were advanced ?
(Hear, beer) Not a word did he then say about the
enormous weigh: of Walton preening on the transition's
seisms of Eoigl d 4. [Here the hoe. bar 'net exited great
laughter by mimickieg the tone of the n. member for
Beediebil It was osly when the loons were fir Irish pur-
poses that the antiilriah feelings of the hon. gentleman were
excited. (Hi ar, hear.)
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Mr. FLAHERTY !rued to express the gratitude which
all &awes is Ireland would entrrtain for this proposal of the
goverment. lb.; had never introduced a measure of
greater essoquelice. It wiled tend to bring capital into
intend. and would mist in the working of the Lumbered
Evans. Bill.
Sir T. D. ACLAND said he had reluctantly opposed I
Lord G. Deninek's 'magnificent but inordinate proposal„
hating th t tt wool! Lad to great eels for want of proper
vegetation; hat s.ith perfect consistency he bad suppottol
a grant 4.1 .1000001 or 600,0001. in the same par, advanced
with cacti sod placed in tnistensetky h tads ; and for the
paw. reason he ehould support the proproitiu now made.
Ile was not air id of 2,000 or 3,000 English labourers being
introduced into Ireland an the first instance ; ha did not be-
lieve they would have any other sleet than to stimulate tee
industry of their Dish brethren. (Hear, bear.) Though ha
poen used no land in Ireland, he bad learned to feel that the
interests of the two countries were identical; and whether the
grants went to Dublin or to Idell.npr, be was convinced
the object wee essentially an imperial one.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
alum in which his pe • peed had hoes received left no doubt
of its souwa. It appeared to met the approval of the whole
of the Irish members. In answer to the hon. member who
had last spoken, he could bear the most satisfactory testi-
mony that every sixpence due from the committee of railroads
in Ireland bed been punctually paid.
An Hun. /dement said that there wee no better way of
stimulating industry in Ireland than by loans of this kind.
A largo number of the best railway 1 ibourers in this country
eame frets Ireland. He hoped that this was only a beginning
en the part of the goverment of similar plelges of the credit
of this country, for in his opioion nothing could be better,
when the case. were wall considered and the money safely
bestowed. (Rear, hear.)
FREWEX considered that the estimate of 500,0001.
for the mekii g of this railway was race. dingly large. He
thought that 450 000 f. would have been a sufficient estimate.
The Great 13 rather and Western line cost rely 12,0001. a
mile ; and, as land and labour were lets valuable in Con-
naught than in bolster, it was rewonable to suppose that
the present line would not oust so much per mile. His la-
pueei,,g nas that the traffic upon at would be larger
than was estiwated, because a largo amount of traffic which
now went from Galway to Dubin by other roiess would be
drawn upon it. (Hear, hear.)
Sir L. O'BRIEN said he looked upon the present question
rather as us relating to the distribution of capital in rime
districts of the empire than as one between England cad
Ireland. He maintained that the people of Ireland were
industrouv, end &though they would accept with gratitude
gond offices performel like the present with kind fuller
and a good heart, they would accept them only en terse
which Pesos would fully justify them before their Mail-
trials in grating. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. H. A. HERBERT said that as the house was in suds
geed humour, end as the Chancellor of the Exchequer ad-
mitted that the ra)mcnt of the interest on the advatices bad
been on punctual, he hoped the noble lord would take the
case of tie memorial, which he had presented to him a few
days ago, into his consideration ; in which ease he could
assure him the county would be (Tally advantageous, and
received with equal favour. (" Hear, hear," and a laugh.)
The tea lotion war thin agreed to.
ADVANCE TO DISTRESSED UNIONS.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
next vote tie had ti propose was of • different nature. it
was • vote of 150,0004. for affording relief to certain die-
turfed poor law unions' on the security of the rate in aid.
He had stated before that the demand upon them had
nuesurily increased. A certain sum had been alreuty
advanced from the civil contiogehein before the set passed,
but the increase of destitution had been such, that they ad-
vanced • larger sum than 100,0001. The weekly demand now
was 15 0001., and it could not possibly be less than that, till
the early crop of potatoes, which be was happy to say
were exetediugly good, and came into more general con.
sumptien. (Wear, hear.) The house had granted 60,0001.
Since that they advanced 124,0001., and there was the last
weekly demand of 16,0001., whkh made altogether 193,0001.
He waa afraid it ',wad not be said that lees thus 160,0001.
MOW Corer the ezrnditure between this aad next year-
-130.0001 would certainly be the least. The present vote of
1600001 wee merely for the distressed unions. He would
propose another elmmittee for the purpose of moving a vote
fur the rs-advanee of any part of the workhouse loan that
might be rec. iced.
Mr STAFFORD wished to know from the right hon.
gent. whether be would lay on the table of the house a
return of the unions to which the mosey was to be advanced,
and also whether he meant to enforce the p semen,. of the
workhouse lune more stringently than it bad hi herto been

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The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER read a
Mara et the somas to which it was proposed to make
the advance They aatonated to twenty-three. With res-
ptet le the (slur gigaton, he thought it better to postpone
answeriag it till he primed the wins/Rea.
la smiler to tf D. Roams,
SM CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
lie sallecticsa of the Mee la these unioas had beam **Greed
*Her rousse ;risible eat:rat. The greatest strictness was
glierrreed fa that resin et.
?he tomailisd twat thee spied to, sad the hones resumed.
POOWEELIKIP (IRELAND) BILL.
Os use motion of 84 0. Oltee, thi. till was reads third
Ilse.
CM MI Maim thesits.lol de pees,
Mr.]. O'CONNElXpiepgasil, the following clines :
• gad whorl.% by the Agt Aij e. 34 the Poor-law themus.
diem if etejoinMed treappibt pewee* tete eluiplaiee le work-
haseee, be it feared that we dosysiweehell evened • lit perm
tweredeelbevor if:weber'. be yedcieetel is MI) offish who
Mull not he approved of by We ; meld that seelergy man
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