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Ber the labouring claim induced them to desire to leave such a that the highest judicial tribunal in the realm, only three Mr. W. I'. WOOL thought it deeply importantto the beet
MT. MARTUaII AN, from journeymen bakers a the netherstie 1 . as to the companion of the courta, it was both as move the grievances arising from the nanamed melee:wheal
IL 1iAe,„.... itarylebone ; Mc. IL lllthle _eltLitrer.e...... t 'ete matter in the bands of thou who, from leisure, - education, months are declared its enter inability to say what that law interest of the church thet some steps should be taken te.re
W. is Wiefera, from southwark ;um _moms. wem end station were compered to deal with IL He believed ma, an
resod, hem Clty of tondos ; Lod it. 0
ragbags.; Mr. C. ttlettelOTON.
l'freatilmhu" et'
t se ma
- fid •h 1 isl 1 ludiug from its profitable sphere, sny, the moot ex. separated. As to the retention of wills and documents in
hough represented la that house, the majority of regarded the bar and the bench, • strict monopoly, sobers- courts. The temporal and spiritual jurisdiction ought to he
Mee VsonrOnelsr ; Mr. letr. th .
nitelasisteh
istsedisbeedes oonet.reeognbeeeesedn tbye
thege
peoatuireett-eaf
etritedy ell
nit, tide& he knew instances in which a forged will had
teEeNCOVlhnescee Masker ; Str D. 1,- ETAS"; from Weetnen- eon nee w
and Insver Mainlets; Mr. Aid. llUMPHlStelkent Southwark ; dr. the
filadl:ou
eller ban dress% sad te for Weigel the Ten Hours Factory Bill and other m • 'beyond its own immediate pale. Again, the sale c • ,
mum' lie WM judges of thine corns were memo from that constitutional boon substituted for the original-when a forged menu-
Lo •BI h I beck which the law placed upon the conduct of all other ecript of a baptismal certificate had been put surreptitiously
"ewithr; evieweeetialaathe miser ot their le heerreeoehee not himself en utopien dreamer of the um me sc oo , 0
from ths tamer Ilishme...eethe ale eflAnduhs eetlenetne or the e•wt and he was sure the working closes repudiated the send. judges. Those were removable by RD address km either 0, n the filo in place of the true transeript-these and other
tics presseid by the risen sal say* thehowie to •eeeee
tritium IMI gt-e-ifse misemere eragiersd of.-Mr. e. n'''"7". -- -. • feet or safe, and that there was a
of that school ; but he contended that there were house of parliament. Thus, whatever their misconduct, instances he could not name showed that the local custody
led the house to d thence by the bishop of the diocese. And here neceuity to watch these local jurisdictions.
weerromeni,"frotiorears; Fineolllllll, tem •pree: uot hard; eitagtbie grievances whitsetheemight he remedied. Under these could defy public opinion, from their juilicild scat, unless now in fora was not per
and Mr. MeitTEsCint, in toast of dr Mrs for Clitimhea in ticot- circumstances, he en , grant the corn- remove
would remark, that this oonnexion betweer the Mr. BOUVERIB said that atte th
r e promise made by the
land IsilL-Mr. Eweter, from Deartries; Kr. LOCH, from KM- rnittee, before whom all parties would be heeed, and with he
cati ; Mr. A. MATitenrit4, treat Werner, forret
Tanen mut. that vim he now submitted his motion. (Hear, hear.) spiritual overseers of the church end courts of right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey) to introduce a bill on this
dose of the Lomat° Asyleges (InotlestbUtot•e-t,.:Lit M. fililloL. law appeored to him by no means calculated subject early next session, he (Mr. Bouverie) would not put
Mene netth, from Gainroriamb, Sir DE L. EVANS seconded the motion. Ile regretted
thet his.hon. friend near him who Presented • Whim' on to increase the efficiency of the church, or to raise the 110UPO to the trouble of dividing on hie reeolutions.
on sundim.-Mr. Bonita, teinnegtv. Mr. tang, an ineuragbenerent i ddto o the motion on th
tb t ra was perfectly monstrous that courts so utterly in- ment (the previous question) was &greed to.
in the dloceee of Norwich, oimpbrangetthe neglect ot the poormw this auhjeet nten e, Pros . e ground ita character in the eyes of the tomtnunity. Ile contended The SPEAK ka. then put the question, when the amend-
serum. in the ease of an aged worm. one of hie pariatecinern and that it wee not desirable to interfere with the freedom of • i
ft i
praying to be humid the bar of the house in. aura TliZ PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.
tot thmilege- labour. But he did not think that ante principle woe so effieient, and
.so entirely removed from public supervision, so
Dr. BOWRING then rose to submit his resolutions on
um contained in the Petitiort-Sgr- COM,W,No rs° 5145°515 Lan" stringent that it might not admit an exception. They had entirely destitute of pudic rupee, should have tho sole
whop, complaltilng of the operation of the l'onr Remoral Act. it_a. •. _.•
ee I tergered with the princifee of the freedom ot latetur jut leen:hen over matters of such vital importance to the the subject of the public ateounta. The hon. member tried
NOTICES OF MOTION.--Suramook Naeioneuoto AND BOARD Or .ra J . e had nut heard that it had been state and to every individual member of it as marriagennil teat the resolutions he was about to proper seemed to him
Woonw-Iir.IIOWRINO, on 27th Jane, to submit a motion ean this its dissolution, legitimacy and banardy, the validity ot wills to contain propaitions so selhovieent that it was astonishing
, . I, . • 1 )ye a been allowed to pus without the com-
11114idlt. ifnolltohWee I'd
alfytuanrYy_Beivl lii acomniseqh uenocs. (Hear, hear.) • - • •
parliament having directed its atteution to
Now titmice or remensetne-eir 11. WILLOVGIIBY, on an Sir a GREY said he woo sure there was no indiepoeition as regarded personal *state • the validit of testamentar die- so men • are h d
Y mthoonfsachto,utwhatofene.fifth of the grim revenues of the country
early day, to move tor mere ot expenditure therefore.
TRAPPPPIITATIOS no Via liimace'R 1.PP0.-Siir. Ewenr, to-morrew om, an anomaly which every day occa-
part of the hours to listen to the compelareindtteedaindit
eepoititieteuonest othf 0 rehtalegdproperty being vested in tno miner
on the
(thia day), to pusent s petition from 5,000 of the inhabitants of yan Fervent** of the working classes, and to apply
the ease was of such • nature el to admit of pi actical sioued the most serious, in some cases the most destructive were expended without tho previous intervention control,
!Armco's Land. agnind the transportation of mikes to that Wand.
ithellittes dODEREIL-eoPtain FECIIELL nosed foe returnee legislation with "'Peet to it' lie meretted. however. moults. to lwmons who hoppental to have both personal and and authority of the commons. If there wah any Suty more
paramount than mother, it was that the representatiees
the 1.04111 number of families relieved, with the number of persons of that he felt compelled to oppose the motion of his noble real property bequeathed them by the testator. Another
hichench Imam mad, who were relieved with outdoor relief. friend on this ground, that the evils complained of ' jurisiiiction vested In the eleclesiestical Courts cas that of the people should take care of the money of the people--
aeielthe PTDOUsf 01 cnek oggr.door relief to each pore; of the number seere non in his opinion, sumptible of ally leghla- of disputed church-rates ;it was clearly impoesible that should see that it reached the Exchequer-and before any
of peewee reticent with imiloor iellef, both returns fur the week ties remedy, end he was confirmed in that opinion dimmers, at all remea, could rag ord. with any respect portion was disbursed, the authority for that disbursemeet
ending the 20th dey of February or the nearest day pre-
by the fact that neither hi, noble friend uor the bon. and or confid.entecee the
tee decechiseiornhe of an
leschledeubeucal court unnn, should be obtained from the HOillie of Commons. The fact,
c rate. t • en recommenard
- us to the 20th dor of Pebruary, a which the weekly as shown by documents now on the table of the house, was,
account IP mode up tor the year teen and like returns gallant member had suggested any. Ile hail stated that as tin ir resin F .
en tbe corresponding week for the War MS, own all twos- his opinion two months ago, when his noble friend and the by the commoduners that this jurisdiction sheuld be with- that a nom of nearly 8,000,0001. per annum escaped the con•
law unions, earner, lust Owes under local sets and Gilbert loom- hon. member for Finsbury accompanied a deputation ot drawn from these courts ; but tne recommendation had nut trol of the House of Commoas, and that since the preing of
porattoos, and paten. and Phiece net cornett" in any union " in' bakers to him. Re euggeeted that the eeils complained of been carried into elf. et Anoth: rjuri-diction which it wee the Reform Aet no less a sum than from 110,000,0001. to
corporation for Eugland and Wales ; sod of the number of pumas 120,000,0001. sterling had been disbursea without the inter-
affeorded matter rather for unitary regulation than teethe moat desirable to remove from these coerce was the cogni•
who were relieve 1 as wayfaring pour in any buil ing or
et t e . • . Past affee'ing lerence of this horse to sanction it. lie hod moved for, and
ward belonging to any workhouse or uny detached building. ti. 'rite f ernes That en totem was taken up by the sa- saner of defametion causes, ceuses for the most
' lt g g y obtained returns from, four eifferent departments of revenue,
or any parochial Of district asylum estatillthed foe the re- nicety commimon, of Ishtar his Kobe, friend wee ata ember. the lowest order of tie communit brou ht entrall for the
et. ' ot the wayfaring or vagrant pain?, on the night or the The evidence of Dr. Guy was given before that commission, utterance, in anger, of !fords imputing incontiumee to r-
pa showing the amounts which had been so expended with the
teth day ot Febrary, 1547, aad the like return for thee 11;th authority or interference of parliament, and thene el turns
which was still sitting ; and ho would ask whether it would ties, and always involving the unfertunate pereon decided
idly of February, 18 Hi, for England ami Wales. -Os the motion of not be better that that commission ale , showed the amounts to have heen-in 1837, 6,185,0001 ; in
mr. tlnstee lie-minus or teumetes ot the chums to be Mourn! ould continue the in- against in costs which, to people of the humbler ranks
quiry which they had commenced ? When the evidence proved absolutely ruinous. The non, gentlemen mentioned 1843, 5,:i01,0001. ;in 1846,6,152,0001.; and in they' &rending,
twitter bill Introduced into this house fur improving the approaches
was complete his noble friend could then embody seversl Casee in which poor women, pronounced guilty of 6th January, 1.847, that espenditure had been 5,901,0001.
te the mete sod town ea Window, end a stetement showing wants, In tho departments ef espenditure-for instance the Tree-
the tunds for defraying those export-use to be supplied. in a len whatever he thought neenerry to remedy the use of this sort of defamatory language in some stet et
the coils Which he had brought before the house. quarrel, were mulcted in mete to the extent of 301., 401., and eery, the l'rivy Council Office, the army, the navy the
THE SPANISH LEGION. If • committee of that house were alntuinted, they even 601., and upon the nen-payment, which, iii their utter ordnance, awl other similar departmet ts, there had been'
' Mr. hi. I'aILNES move. d for certain returns connected th h the poverty, wu a matter demur, sent to prison. As to the dio- expended without any parliamentary check or conthol, in
I •
with the eervices of the British legten in Spain, including the could do nothing more, he apprehendee, an ear
rime evidence, which was given Wore the sanitary coin- ceaan oourte,the:Lord Chief J mate:int England had pronounced 1837, 1,767,0001.; in 1843, 1 ese9,oool. ;in 184.6, 1,909.0004. ;
amount of the claims of that body which still remained un-
mission. lie would object to the motion, &Leo, on the ground them utter nuisance. ; and another authority, clearly exempt and in the return for lest yeu it was shows to have beea ,
satistied.-Orderea. grant a committee would imply an opinion that some from the imputation of partiality in his judgment, hod dee 1,099,7401. Then sums, tonther with the geese amounts
P AIM IA M ENTARY REFORM. that to
legisktive remedy was possible. (Loud cheers )He thoxglit tinctly declared that all he had observed of the administra- expended without the sanction of this house stood thus ; In
Mr. E. B. ROCHE wished to put a question to the hon. that if they granted • committee, they would be only peace tion of the law in the diocesan courts had led him to form 1837, 6,922,000/. • in 1843, 6,700 0001. ; in 1'810,7,063,0001 ; '
member tor Neutrons t Mr. Hume), ot which he had given
ening a delusion on the journeymen bakers, seeing tbat any the opinion that they were inneeptible of very great amend- and lad year, 7,4130,0001. Now, it appeared to bite that such
legidative remedy to remove the grievances alleged was im- meat indeed, The diocesan court of the Archbishop of Can- a state of things was intolerable. The consequence of this
the hon. member notice yesterday. The hon. member had
placed on the paper the following reeslution : possible. If they granted this committee, then the knife terbury, sitting in London., was not included in these stric- system was, that neither the First Lord of the Treasury nor
That the, house, as at in event eceßtauted, does not fairly represent
the population, the ProPertY, or Ow teem", of the enuotry, whence grinders of Sheffield, and the compositors, and many other tures of Lord Denman and the Bishop of London, but he the Chancellor of the Hecht:quer had a beek, or great ,
tun atom inut anti inne nst
,thecontent in the mind. of a large chows of operatives, would come to the hong, and oak I.or thought that, atter the mo strous course of the monstrous ledger of the conselidated uccouet ot the natim which could .
portion of the pine, rhe-a7, with a new to emend the national re- interferenee in their eases. (Mau, hear.) lie thought that case of " GUIs r. Gees," there was but one opinion on the show them the correct total receipts and expeneliture of the
presentation, leave be Oven to bring in bills for the emcee, yo prow the only practical remedy wes, that the meters and journey- part of the public se to the administration of the law, and country. This was a dishonour to a great commercial nation
riding that thechetthe franchise Wwll be 5. "tended ee to trwle'te men bakers should come to sums agreement amongst them- the conduct of both judge and advocates in that court (Rear, like Greet Britain. Even the audit Milos could not furnish
houo.holdere; that noes stein be taken by belle; that the duration
selves. (Hear, bear.) bear.) What had been, fur example, witnered in that annual accounts, because, instead of eupplyine their accounts
of parluinwnt Mee Dot exceed three years; and that the apportoom _
r.
M STAFFORD did not think the eget:Bents ef the court in the court° of that cue ? One advocate in a cue, a and veuchers to the audit office within three mouths atter
men of member., to populataun shall br made more equal.
There existed tit Ireland a great difference of opiniun on the right hon. gentleman, although they might convince • Ma- leading doctor in the court, distiorily charging the. judge the close of every yeas, mail public accountants either
of that house, would convince the working:classes out with partiality in favour of his son, another !advocate in the delayed them for years, or did not eturn them
subject of this motion. One party there thought the hon. torn,'
member and the party he led were really eatitled to the of doors that their interests were properly attended to within same court, and in the same cue, and &diluents( evidence of at all. Fur instance, the Sheraton Navigation Board had
name they adoieee, that of radical reformen, and that they it. Althoegh they might not he able to suggest any remedy the secure reliance plowed upon that partiality of the not made any returu of either accounts or vouchers for the
evils complained of, by granting a committee they judge father by the advocate sun! (Dear, hear.) Ile last len years, and the Board of Works in Ireland was al-
meont to include within the r-solutioa that portion of the for the
united Kingdom commonly ealnd teethed ; while another would show, at lees% to the working closes that they were WMail PPy nothing, Of course, as to the taste of the squabble mat the same. Could it then be wondered at that fergeri, s
put,. reeneinberine the heartier political economy of many ready to inquire into the subject, and to listen to what they to which he referred, but the fact Was incontrovertible that had been committed on the public revenue when such a sone
members forming the body of which the hon. member was could suegest in the shape. oh a cure. The right hon. gentl - in this close court, invested with such enormous aud almost of things had been allowed el go on unchecked year after
the head, felt that as they were not better inclined towards man intd that the sanitaryonniminion mieht inquire iuto the arbitrary powers, with its monopoly bar and its monopoly year I In the customs, the excise, the stamr aud taxes-in
Ireland than any other Enid" member,. that there- subject. nut he (ben statford) did net think that they hail proctors, the irresponsible nide. hue immediate reletime all these departments awns were retained and expended
I fore, the resolution was not meant to be applied to Ireland. any power to inquire into the hours of labour. They had both among the bar and among the body of proctors, and that without the interference of parliament ; and in the post-
!Re imr, Reale) theretore wished to put the voint to the already interfered with Rood effect, as he believed, between such relationship was • fact St once destruCtive of say public office department, out of tl revenue arising from that source
tut by asking whether the hon. member did Or did not mean employers and employe& in the case of factory labour, and confidence in the tribunal, however high the personal Ma- of about 1,500,0001., 1,140,000/ wes retained in its progress
to include within the 'limits of his motion and resolution in the car of the coal-whipper.. This committee, if meter of the individual on the bench might he, and Un- to the exchequer. Again, aimed every department bad its
Ireland and the Irielt people ? granted, would neither be a tedious nor an expensive one, doubtedly ma. The registration of wills, which the mete- fee fund, all of which was received and disoursed without
Mr. HUME replied that he and those who acted with him and it would show the working classes that Oast house was Uncial courts now arrogathd to them.elyes, was susceptible the cognisance of parliament, and hence grievous irregulari-
intended to do equal justice to the whole of the United willing to attend to their complaints. (Hear, hear.) of very material improvements. At present there was no ties had grown up. To these he sought by his I...solutions
Kingdom. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LABOUCHERE said he would not 'hold to the hon. decided security tor the willa in tbe poreasion of these to put an end, because he was convinced that unless the
IRISH REGISTRATION BILLS. geutionan who had just spoken in hi. &see to attend to the courts, nor was there any system at work which gave facli- gross revenues went into or were amounted for to the ex
Lied J. RUSSELL, in answer to a gum' ion put to him by interests of the working class-. 11, but he believed that they ties to persons seeking the wills to attain a sight of them chequer, no security was afforded for the fit and propT en-
title IlaTIR4Ole, sa'd it WM not the intention of the eovern. would only he practicing a delusion up in them if they were The bon. and learned gentleman read extracts from the tee- penditure of the public money. This had been recommended
ment to fee into committee OD the Irish Registration Bill to groin the committee asked for. It they 11, re to impose titnony of various local registrars, to show the utter want of iti the report of the Commistioners of inquiry, of which in
before W hitsuntide. restriction on adult labeur iu one case, ethers would soon soy systematic or effective record of three all-iroportantdoeu 18:11 the lath Lord Congloon had been the head, lied there-
COPY HOLD ENFRANCHISEMENTS. come forward with equally strong claims. (Hear, hear.) ments. The total amount of fees received by these otfieers was fore the proposition he (Dr. Bowling) made involved no
Mr. AULD-INDY rePeated the question he had so fee. The fustian cutters and others who suffere i under great no less than 106,0001.,otwhich thesum received by the deputy principle that was new to the legislature. lie de
quently asked, and on which he had received as repeated hardships would press their claims upon them. Ile ad- register. was 63,0001., and they formed the main abuse of sittd. to apply to the public accounts the same
promises from the right hen• baronet the Home Secretary, mired that it was possible and tolerable to interfere, Ps in the ecelesiutical courts, forming as they did the substantial pi incite° which was adopted by every banker,
on the subject Of • measure fur enfranchising copyholders- the case ol factories, where labourers were colletted together difficulty in the way of rennin. In Canterbury the reenter • inerchaoa, aud tradesman in the kingdom. One of
would the bill be introduced by tee Lord Chancellor in the in great numbers ; but it was imporible and intolerable to received 7,501. a year ; in Chuter, holding_ a sinecure the most import.nt duties of members of that house
Ilnuse of bOtdP. Of if not, would the government bring the epply that minute inspection and supervision which would office, he received 7,0001. ; and iu York, 2,6361. Ohm I was that they should take care of the public purs , but they
measure forward in this hollse 7 he necesaary to make any meaeure of this kind at all efficient Now them were practical grievances, which required a could nut discharge it while 7000,0001. of the public money
Sir G. GREY said the subject referred to had not where the workmen were scattered over • large ureic% and remedy. and if the eovernmerit, ineend of declaring, as they was allowed to dip through the bottom. He could not help
remained unnoticed by the ginerninent- On the con. I tripe in private houses. (11,ar, bear.) That objection lie lately did, a disinclination to political changes, which after thinking that the indent of fees was rectiviug the sttention
teary, a bill in reference to col,' held enfranchisement wce I considered to be heal to the motion. The Case of the coal- all were only a means to an end, would evince a vigorous ot the government with a few to ita abolition. lie knew of
now in the hands ut the Lord Chancellor, who Lad tole him whippers was not analogous, because they were well determination to provide a remedy for those grievances, no other country in Europe.in which the grois amount of the
that in a few days he should lay it before the ether house of I uremised. and minute supervision was not nevessary ; and, they would do more to extract the sting from such motions revenue was not received in-o the Exchequer. The hon.
parliament. shove all, there was no attempt to limit the hours of werk- as that given notice of by the hum. member for Montrose gentleman concluded by moving :
STAMFORD BOROUGH COMMITTEE. nig. (Hear. hear.) lie confessed that te was glad that the than tiny declaration, however strong, could effect. The That thin house cannot Ix the effectual guardian of the revenues of
Mr. F. MAU LE brought up the report of the general appellation which he gave to the Coel-whippers Bill was nut hon. gentleman concluded by moving : the Kele unlews the whole amount et the taus, and of various other
successful. (Hear, hear ) That the ecclesiastical rem of inglend and Wales horn been the ecerees of income received fur the poUlic amount, be either paid in or
committee of selection to chom liad been reterred the choice
of a chairman and committee to inquire into the allegations Kr. H. M I LNES thought that when the relations he- Buhk‘t ni wwriii Publie inquiries, which have shown them to be to. accounted tor to the Exchequer. That no department of fewnly,
oily incapable of fulfilling the important funetions they affect to ought to be allowed to stop any portion of its ems receipts in their
contained in the petition of certain inhahitantsof the horough tween labour and capital were exciting such interest at the
, excise... That these courts have nut only to decide question* com torque.% to the Exchequer without the pro eious authority of
of Stamford. complejning of the interference at the lest and present time, they ought te be cautious how they inteelleues cernitil some of the most important civil right% of the subject, but path:anent. That no department of expenditure should be
previous elections of the Marquis of Eseter, a peer of the any theory, howevee probable, betmennientands sueportenl they . ureter • criminal. jut towliction pretended to be pro white permitted to appropriate to the public emir any other '
realm. On the motion that the report be laid on the table, by any large cla sor the community. ite thought that the anima., &Inch touchee hit property ll'Da Perk/Mal liberty. That the sums than thorn sanction d by previous votes of pair-
there were general cries of " Read, reed." eery feet ot intelligent men sitting upon these committees and law they administer urgently reveres amendment That their eye- meat and teat all receipt. from wilce of storemthoer other pounce,
The clerk et the table acconliegly read the report, from answering the proposals of working men would, of itsel ,
i tem I d prundure to incompatible with the effectual nttainment of should be Trod into the Exchequer. that whereas ex ture of
the enoIR uf pedoee. 'Flint they are not only inerdnent hilt coatly. many department* eseape parliamentary control, either WWII Of in
which it appeared that the committee we. thus constituted ~ produce a great benefit. They should not decide the present .that their continued existence ts injurioue to the subject, and • pin. in conercesenoe of toying their racemes out of fees or other re-
-The Right lion. Sir T. F. Lewis (chairman), Mr, W, p. motion by the results that were likely to follow from the Kuehl to the judicial ooysion a tt. e, try. sources, and of accounting to the Exchequer only for the baloney% of
Wood, the lion. J. S. Wortley, Lord Li. Vane, Sir J. W. committee. lie thought the hour would act wisely
• J P lington Mr li rsman granting the committee.
liege, the Hon. J. Elliott, Sir .a i ~ . o , by Sir G. GREY would neitht r follow the boa, gentleman such receipts • and in other cure of applying to pertiament ter grants
througli his details, nor attempt to controvert his arguments to make up the deficiency of suck feu ue other rceources, it is ne al-
and Mr. J. W. Henley. Mr. HUME thought her Majesty's government had in favour of • sweeping change in the oreledutical courts, ow • check upon abuse, and & secunty thr the properpLipsopria-
'au( the public enoneya, that such receipts shred be - into the
THE SENTENCE ON MR. MITCHEL. taken the best MOW with respeet to the question. If the because in those arguments he generally concurred. (Hear, Exchequer, and not be disposed of without the preliminary sanction
house was not to decide the present question, in the hope of hear.) Ile must, however, demur to the assertion that the ot parliament. That it appears by returns on the table of thht home,
Mr. E. B. ROCHE said the house wu aware that
Mr. Mitchel had lieen tried, convicted, and sentenced to any beneficial result, what WU the use of going into com- sovernment had shown any indieposition to deal with the that in the year ending the Ith day of JILMI try, 1847, the amount of
14 peers' transportation. It might not he mare that since melee ? The hon. gentleman who had just sat doers was subject The hon. gentleman hail obeerved that the subject 5,1,901,60,0 t. 17.5. 1 5-12 d. was deducted from the. groro.rectirs by the
his sentence he had been treated with a degree of harah. lately in Paris, and he was afraid he had there imbibed mime was so full of details, and so complicated, that he, as an in. eteheeenelereteteteheet= is ttreheereprnewteethetherelyseeee;pieete:
mem which would not he shown to the very lowest convicted of Louis Blanes eriociples. (Laughter.) But he would dividual member, shrank from grappling with it. But that yews parlimentaij' returns, that •suns of about the !same enormous
criminal. He had been hurried away from his family and put it to his hon. friend whether what was nuw taking place also formed an excuse on the part of the government. lie amount is yearly retained by the said departments, and is not paid
friends, in • manner heretofore unheard of. (Cries of " Oh, in Pair was not sufficient to prevent them from trying to do regretted to find a dispnsition in the House of Commons to into the Exchequer, nor subjected befOre its diebureement to paths.
oh," " order.") lie (Mr. Roche) begged to ath the Houle by detail what wse doing in that city by wholesale. thick that every meuure ought to be taken up and disposed nietiMry control. That it appears by the Raid returns, that in the
Secretary whether it was the intention to came nut that dis- He admitted that the liken were suffering certain evils, of in one session by the government, because by t eI, the eth day of January, 11,17 the runt of
proportionate and united. sentence ?(" Oh, oh.") Yee', 7', ,11,, 2d. WU ived thu veitous °tier de eta
and he should wish to see them removed. But he law no that course nothing could he so well done as If lee' it • 1 by Partin te,
independently of parliamentary grants or iieues from the Exchequer.
Sir G. 0 REV.-I shall say nothing whatever with refer. means of applyieg a remedy. The noble lord said that the undivided attention of the house were concentrated That the amounts thus removed from the direct authority and pre-
ence to the epithets the hon. member Min used in introduting labour was not represented. That was precisely what he on a tew WielaUffP, and other measures reserved for a future vim.. control of parliament, and which were not paid into the Ex.
his question. (Loud cheers.) If I understand tee question (Mr. Hume) complained of, and he should like to see a baker session. Looking to the complicated nature nf this question, chequer, average nearly seven millions sterling per annum, and that
to mean-ie the sentence Pulled on Mr. Mitchel to he mit. in that house to express his opinions on the subject. But he must say that he should despair, at this period of the Veirlyunric-eightlikof the
ogre's revenuesof the oationbre dispito:d ot
cuted?-1 have to inform the hon. member that instructions while the master and the journey men bakers were at per•eet session at lenst, of proposing a bill which would be likely to T :Vero
etttbb re lentletcr re
of t 'rowel tint mti7acnctourovn, tool'. rincrulres the
have been given tor caerTing that sentence int° full effect. liberty to make their own arrangements, he did not see that pass. Ile thought the wiser course would be to reserve it earliest attention of the Itouse of Commons. ".
PRIVILEGE. the legialature could interfere, except to do injury. Let the tor another session. Ile admitted that many inquiries had
Mr. 11. GRATTAN said he had to mil the attention of working men be put on an equal tooting with other members taken place, and that every one of the commissionen or coat- Me. r. 11U ME seconded the motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted
. the house to • matter Personelle° him. le lie believed he of the community-let no advantage be given to one over mittees recemmended extensive changes in the nature and
I had a right to have what he said in that house Correctly re- &nether-4nd then let all compete on equal terms. (Hear.) jurisdiction of these court% and he was prepared to sgree in th th H f C
ahe e onse 0 . emmens w.as the proper guardian of the
I ported, and he had to complain of the manner in which the Lord INGESTRE said he Was no follower ot Leen Blanc, substance with those recommentlations. The bill of 1844 he pubiffic purse,
.and therefore et MIS •t, t e items o . e
th h ' fth
I xpenditure were submitted to it. lie did not think
observations which fell from him last night had hen reported but he thought he was only advocating a just Cause in sup- opposed, because it departed ni tofu from the bill of his . the
that 'thee system of bringt•ng the whole receipts into the ex-
in • newspaper called the Meriting rose. Meer, and a porting the motion of the noble lord. Lie thought it was right hon. friend the member for Ripon, which proceeded
ch quer in the first instance would afford ferrate security
I laugh.) An hon. memher mar him &aid that nobody cared their bounden duty as representatives of the people to intend upon the commistioners' report of 1829. He voted in the
1 about the Morning Poet ; but he did care that he should not to the grievances of which any portion of them oempleint d. minority against that hill, which was ultimately abandoned. theaoeby tbe officers at the ports deducting • part of the
money they received for payments which were to be made
'be misrepotted in any paper. That which waa attributed He confessed he saw too great a disposition to attend to the Since the present government wa. in offer the subject had
from day to day. With regard to payments other than the
to him in that journal was • total fabricahon, aisd though he interests of capital to the neglect of the interests of !Moue. not escaped their attention. The Attorney General had
ch. arges of collection, he considered that it made no practical
was too old a member of the house to have much vanity, yet (Hear, hear.) been engaged preparing • hill, which would have been sub-
diff. erden.ce whether they were made before they were re-
he would not be miereptesented, even though it was done ley Sir B. HALL said he should also have gre t pleasure in witted in the present session heti they the slightest hone
ewe into the exchequer or afterwards. With respect to
a journal that, though mischievous, was perfectly harmless. supporting this motion. The hon. member for Montrose that its details would have received that consideration whierh
tbe other items which th. e hon.. gentleman chased together,
(Loud laughter.) On all Irish matters it look good care to seemed to say that he would never do justice to the journey- th. y required. lie agreed altogether with the hon. member
tedey were very various in their nature, and could not be con-
misrepresent everything that fell from Irish members. He men baken until half • dozen of them had seats in padia. for Kilmarnock in his main clijections to these courts, to
'Lemke' heahmeeeente.of the deeereptio.n to which he alluded.
might move that the editor and printer of the paper be or- ment (Hear, hear, and laughter.) It was said leave the their course of proceeding, and to much of the jurisdiction
see to tee cozeners. tor elm. ponce to , . .
dere' to attend at tho bar of the house to-morrow ; hut at question to the sanitary CoMMDMOD. He lied, however, far they exercised ; but he could not agree to his resolutions, roe tor instance, that
present he did not think it worth while to do 80, nor did he greater confidence in a committev of that house, and he pre- because he could not hoid out any hope of being able in the was not money coming in in sod of the public revenue, but
think it necessary that he should repeat the words of wbich leveed it as a tribunal to consider and report upon this present semion of applyiog a remedy to the evil. A bill it was a portion of the public revenue paid in aid of other
he complained. question. would be shortly laid on the table of the house which he sums. With regard to stores and other appropriations for
the army and. ordnanoe departmeets. , the ho.n. gentheeman
The SPEAKER interfered, and said if the hon. member Mr. GLADSTONE said, pointed reference having been hoped would engage the attention of the house early next
would find all of thoee sums stated in the estimates. now-
did not mean to conclude with a motion, he was quite irre- made to the Coalwhippers Act, he was desirous of making a s helots. Under these circumstances he must move the pre-
ever, he had issued a Treasury minute with reepect to thaws '
gular in making • speech on the subject. few observations. The intent of that act was to prevent pub- vious question, approprietions, reciting that the money should be first I
Mr. H. °RATS. AN-Then I will conclude the observe- limns from acting as agents for the hiring of coal-whippers, Sir tie INGLIS congratulated the bon. mover on the
brought into the xcbequer in the gross. The hon. geode-
tic...* I have to make by moving that the editor be ordered and thereby to prevent the continuance of • sys triumph he had achieved without going to a division. But
mcneai.d thee 138...0001...had...been rid under the Board Of
to attend at the tier to-morrow. tem that was very demoralising to the men. The when the right hon. gentleman the Secretary of State pro-
The SPEAKER-The hon. member mild, before making measure went no further in respect of interference, aired to introduce a bill on the subject, he begged to remind se moles in trielahntlitn atiha ot re bac money. But if thehen
nepuh w uld find that 107 0001. ,
that motion, deliver in a copy of the newspaper, with the and consequently it afforded no precedent whatever for him that every such attempt by preceding governments had
loluthiesmsuamn co°°nsisted ofelre usr for teheopurpose of dridnage, '
purge of which he compieins marked, in order that it be a proposal like the present. To that proposal, therefore, he failed, and the secre% of that future TtaS to be found in the
which could not be considered public expenditure He ad-
read by the clerk at the table, should offer decided oppaitien. At the mune time be hoped propeeition of taktng away justtee from the door of
mitted that the audit of the Shannon navigation' was M •
Me. Iti. GRATTAN thought the publication too contempt- the labour of his noble friend would not be thrown away, • every man concerned, and centralising it in London.
very. un.seti.factory state. Every effort had been made to
ible to bring down • paper. (Laughter.) lie would, how- and that arrangements such ae humanity and justice required To that he was decidedly opposed, and he hoped that
reduce it into order and he hoped they would succeed in
ever, procure a copy, and make the motion in the course of would he made among the master bakers themselves. The any attempt on the part of the present government
dein so. He e ' with the hon. gentleman, that a
the evening. appointment of a committee, however, could lead to no gond se to interfere with the existing system weuld likewite rtia nof the fees ought to be abolished, and he could ass
The SPEAKER.-Is the hon. member ready to do that result, and would only rain expectations which there might fail. He did not mean to say that that 'totem waS not Um that the overnment were disposed to make all the prae-
no w ? be a difficult! in eatisfyine. capable of improvement ; but he utterly denied that it con- reetormsath their emcee. (Hear, hear.) He should
Mr. H. GRATTAN replied in the negative, but said he Lord D. STUART said if the house granted a committee dituted such an unmitigeted evil as the hon. member for teal.
ve tne previous question.
gave distinct notice that he should be prepared tomorrow a urns of unexampled teem would be laid before it. Be- Kilmarnock alleged. lie had no objection tO improvement,
(this day) to make the motion. Irving that the committee would do great good, by collecting but he required that matters of ecclesiutical discipline should Col. SIBTHORP thought this motion was rather late in
HOURS OF LABOUR-7OURNEYMEN BAKERS. such information, he should vote for it. be submitted to persons who were not alien or hostile to the the day. The hon. Member had allowed votes to pass rob-
Lord R. GROSVENOR moved, pursumt to notice, that Mr. DUNCAN supported the motion. professions of those who were to be tried. silentio, and now he brought forward resolutions decluing
a select committee be appointed to take into consideration the Captain PECIIELL mid that thirteen years ago he had Afthr a few words from Col. St lITHORP against the motion, that they ought not to have been passed tt all. Would the
petitions of the master anti journeymen bakers, complaining had tee satisfaction to put upon the statute-book a MeatiUre The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that his attention hon. member give practical proof of his desire for " econo-
et the extended hours of lahour and other grievances and 'cal reform " bt:upporting a motion he was about to bring
to relieve thel bakers from labour upon Sundays. Oa the had been directed to thie subject long before he was in office, nit . . ffi .
praying for • legislative inquiry, with a view to their redress. iVne pri.nCip
_il which he then acted he should support and his opinion was that a measure might be framed for the forward for the v. boon of the o ce of Comptroller of the
the motion now ore t em.
el
ober b reformation of these courts which would be perfectly saris- Exchequer ? (Hear, hear.) Ile would also ask the hon.
The noble lord said that if his right hon. friend the Home
Secretor, had given him any hopes of his acquiescence in the Col. THOMPSON said he felt in • sort of dilemma re- factory to all parties. His object in rising was to entreat member if he were inclined to abolish the office of 4001. a
specting such a motion as this, but the principle he always the house not to assume that the government were pledged year just given to the hon. member's son ? lie thought that
motion, he should not have troubled the bouse with any ob-
servations. In the first place, he (Lord R. Grosvenor) laid acted on ware that engagements must be kept. In his inter- to the principle of centralisation in the bill of the late go-. hon. members who got these seri of appeintments for their
down the general proposition that men of all nations are of urse with the working anises he had alm s told them vernment. fhey had a measure already prepared, and hest- relatives, were the last who ought to bring forward resolu- 1
el't at gmu v ere. expec !ern motions ef tis tete be _, 3' •. Is . i Us- _ h
ino ood IL to be ted f y • ii. d introduce it onl becauee it would revoke tree thins for changes of this' description. He should not support
one class-that all were members of one great family-and
art, but that if they desired such inquiries they were en- 'ion without affording the least probability of their bring tice on. member.
that when one member of that family suffered, every other
titled to them. Ile should act on that principle on this a. able'to carry it through wham_ e.nt in the present eession. Mr. HUME said his objection to the present mode of ,
member suffered either directly or indirectly with him. If Mr. HUME fully concurred in the utions, and re- reading the accounts was, that they deceived the public. '
that proposition was true, how much stronger did its truth "aim.
Lord R.. GROSVENOR replied. and exPrefuled a hope vetted that the right hon. baronet did not consent to their They had not before them a true and accurate statement of ',
bear when the suffering was that of a large class in the par-
ticular nation to which they belonged. If the persons in'
• the Inking trade were in a state of suffering not arising Teln,r, , ' .. .•
ilesanamy pertial depression in that business, but from circum- e"e °°—
stances that have been normal to the employment in which
they were engaged, then he considered he made ont a ease that, notwithstanding the unfortunate opposition of the go- adoption as it would strengthen his hands when introducin
went he should still have a mejority.
eir gamed-For the motion
Against it
ECCLESIASTICAL COURTS. 43 g the sums received and the gums expended. The present
his bill. ' The abuse was one which had been not only eon- system wu kept up to conceal from the public the real
deemed but admitted ever since he had had a seat in that amount of taxation. The exchequer of England was the
55-12 house ; and it was a scandal that it should still remain. only one in the world through which all the moneys of the
Mr. AGLIONBY, likewise, agreed in every word of the state did not pm. This was the fourth time this subject had
which was deserving the mime consideration of the legislat Mr. BOUVERIE then role to bring_ formed his motion resblutione, but regretted that they were to end in moke. been brought forward: but the house never paid attention
ture. The numben of journeymen bakers in London,West- respecting the ecclesiastical courts of England and Wales. lie did not see what was to be lost or gained by avoiding a to matters affecting revenue. He waa sorry to say that
minster and Middlesex, amounted to about 12,000, and by The hon. member aid he hoped to satisfy the house that division ou them._ , The government admitted the four pro- within five minutes after he rose the opposite benches there
their pe'tition they complained, that owing to the excessive these courts were • scandal and a disgrace to our law, He positions containeu in them to be well founded. If 80, why were always nearly empty. (Great laughter.)
duration of labour, especially the night work, they were de- felt strongly impressed with the impolicy of allowing these had they not brought forward • bill long ago? The right Sir G. CLERK said those who knew little of the subject
, priced of the enjoyment of ordinary rest, and had no time for abuses to remain unremedied, and no course remained open hon. baronet talked of the inconvenience of- introducing all wonld probably imagine from the debate that there was no
I, recreation or domestic comfort ; their labours extended to but a sweeping condemnation of the whole resthm. Ineuiry the mealtime of • government ill one sesern ; but session general account whatever of the reoeipts and expenditure of
twenty hours out of the twehte-four in heated and on the subject was useless, because it was exhausted. In the after seinen had elapsed without anything being done upon the country. Now the fact was that at the commencement.
Ilunwholesome atmospheres, which destroyed health, reign of George IV. a commiesion WM appointed to examine this subject; and his feeling was, that unless such measures of every year a volume wu laid upon the table giving
land rendered them old men when thee ought to be the subject ; it cemented of the late Archbishop of Canter. were homed upon the attention of the government, they precisely this information. The boa. member for Bolton
'in the prime of life. They therefore prayed for in- bury, the late Bishop of Durham, the Bishop of Londen, would be neglected altogether. wished that every farthing of money collected in the pro-
quiry, with • view to the redress of the grieTance* under Lord Tenterden Dr. Lushingten, and others. After a lobo- Mr. HUDSON said that if called upon to affirm the whole vinces and ebiewhere should be paid into the exchequer in
whictethey laboura -The inaster bakers had joined in the rious inquiry they made a copra and able report. In 1e33 ,of the ProPoeftions embodied in the resolutions proposed by London. lie would not hesitate to say that if such a system
prayer of t' ese petitions, and had stated that the work, as another commission was appointed to inquire into the teen- I the hon. and learned member for Kilmarnock (lir. Bou- were adopted the annoyence and inconvenience to our mer-
now carried on, was of no benefit to them. while it was in- mentary part of the subject. In the same year a committee eerie), be (Mr. Hudson) should not be preparedho do so. Manta would be so great as to render the system quite
jurious to the journeymen, Of the injurious effects arising of that house PM upon another part of the question. All At the earns time he was ready to admit that some judicious impracticable. The present practice, moreover, was, as it
from this employment, the evidence taken before the Mid- these commissions reported, but all the abuses they depre chenges and :onendments might be introduced into the mete- seemed to him, the simplest and least likely to render the
ter, commission bore abundant proof ; and he (Lord R. cated still existed. Attempts had been made to remedy some I elastics' courts lie had heard with unmixed satisfaction accounts complicated.
Grosvenee) could, from personal observation, corroborate of the evil% but with no substantial effeCt. Various bills in- i the speech of the hon. and learned Attorney-General, and he Ilr. V. SMITH hoped the dirizion would not be pressed.
th.tt evidence in all its leading feature& It might be said troduced had passed through different stages, but had all I assured him, and also the right hon. baronet the Home If it were, the probabilities were that the motion would be
1
that aa masters and men were agreed on the subject, an met with an untimely end. Probably the reason was thet i Secretary, that any attempt to remove the custody of wills lost, much to the regret of himself Sind other members who
arrangement might.-Jr-oifeeted without the interference of they did not go far enough-that they attempted toconciliat • ! from the counties in which the testator, had died would be found in the resolutions very touch of which they approved.
the logislatute. This was impassable, for any amingement two incompatible interests ; and that, consequently, whilst , stronely resisted by the county with which he was connected, Dr. SOWRING replied, and defended himselt from tho
te be effective must be general, and, in these times of they offended many they obtained no active support frem and every other county in the kingdom. Ho had had eipe- charge of Colonel Sibthorp of having passed by this question
keen competition, no regulation to be effeetual could be the great body of the public. His object now was to induct rigaze ir A only in the ecelesiestied but in the law courts, on former occasion,. On the contrary, he had sought every
made but with the intervention Of the legislature. the government W take uP the question on a large mit. end he did rot think the former more expensive than the eligible opportunity of bringing it forward. He did not
fie could not comply with the doctrine that labour could not Nothing short of eradication would sufficiently dna wit, letter ; and the beet oroof of the eatisfaction which the deci- believe the practical difficulty of adopting this system would
be ir terferei with by legislation without entailing upon it the evils now existing in these courts. The law adminierirte 1 sem ef the ecclesiastical curt/ g are, was afforded by the be vetc great. lie would take the opinion of the house on
greens evils. Ills impreseion was, that the good sense of in these oourts was 01 such an uncertain nature and extent, paucity in number of the appeals -against their declaims. the first resolution.

THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 31, 1848,

The house divided—For the previous quo rtion 54
Against it
Majority against 1
The bouts then divided on the first resolution.
For the resolution
Against it 5l
Majority against tninieters..„ 6
WHITSON UDE HOLIDAYS.
In answer to a question from Mr.
Lord J. HATS3ELL itated that it was his intei,j* to
move, on Friday week, the. the house adjourn to the Thurs-
day following ir, Whitson week.
LAND COMPANY COMMITTEE.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR rose to nominate the following cog,
mittoe on the National Land Company Bd1:-112, p
O'Connor, Viscount Ingestre, Viscount Drunilaeria, ha;
Henley, Mr. Langston, Mr. G. Thompson. Mr. S. Crawford;
Mr. Monsen, Copt Pecliell, Mr. Sullivan, Mr. Meagher,
Mr. Devi r,ux, Mr. Scholetield, Sir G. Strickland, and Si:
B. Hall. Toe bon. member expressed his will,* itess to
suastitute the names of Messrs. Hayter an I Wioiley fee
those of Messrs Meagher and Devereux, but Ooji en.dt.m.
moving Mr. Lanfoon (member tor Oxford borough).
Sir O. GREY said that his only object was to give fall
efficiency to the committee. He was anxious tlis. the name
of Mr. Heywood should be add. d, representing us he did
part of the country which was deeply interested in tys
matter.
Sir B. II ALL complained that the lion, member for Noe.
tingham had nominated to his committee seven boo. mey .
tiers who had never pn viousty hat a seat in that house;
if the house should approve of his (Sit B. Hall's)
appointment as a member, he should use bis
beat ends_
soars to sift the matter to the bottom, and to let the public
know what the scheme of the lion. member really was.
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that the hon. baronet the mem-
ber for Maryletaine hid pretty clearly shown the animus
with which he would enter into the inquiry, and he need
therefore say nu more respecting the observations which had
fallen from him.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL suggested that if Mr. Dolma
should be unable to sure, Si. B. Hall should be nominated
on the committee..
Sir G. GREY having agreed to this, the committee. wsa
nominated acoording to Sir G. Grey's proposal, and the
house adjourned at 1 o'clock.

ELECTION COMMITTEES—Ya,TERDAY.
LEICESTEIL—SeveraI witness.a wcre examined ht
support of thr alleastions of bribery and corruption sgsirm
the sitting members.
DesLia.—Tim day's proceedings consisted of the
hearing et legal arguments as to the reception o: the poll
books.

Vitt erprews.

MAILS.

The malls for New South Kula, VSn theman'a Land, and New
Zealand will be mule up au the evening of the TM M .y.
'Die math for the %est Costs of Africa and Mackin, will be made
wp on the evening of the 31st May.
The mail. tor Tiriush North America, and the Th:•.,.: Slake,
will be mane up on the evening of the 2nd Juts%
The West India M, including Bermuda, Nouut, Its
va.
Honduras, New thleinv, Vera erne, Tampico, and luau him, of
excluding chase for Madeira, Jeemel, Curinagen-i, Sints Mirth..
Chagren, Panama, West Coast of booth Amens., nod rat. Jussen.
Ntr.sragua, till be made up on the matting of the 2nd June.
The mails for the Brasile, the !liver Plate, Monte Video, Perms.
bout. g.hth, Madtira, and lturnott Ayres, will ue matte op cp ttp
evening nf the 3rd June.
The malls for Vigo, ithorto„ Lithon, Madeira, Cad* and GO:obn
wall tth mule up ill the morning of the 7th June.
The overland chued mils. et. 31ansillest to the McMinn...,
Egypt, Men, Ceylon, India, Hongthoos, W.c., will be made up am leg
evening of the 7th June.
I he overland mails la Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the laTanlitinds,
Egypt, Aden, Cot Inn, India, Hong-Kong, and C
Jim ins, rth senth.p,
ton, will be made up an the morning of the 10th

NOTICE TO ADITEA.:TISERS.
The number ui STAMPS issued by the authonves of the
Stamp-ottice, during 1847, to the
DAILY NEWS was 3.447.009
This, we behave, is within eight per cent of the ember
.ssued to the Morning Herala, Morning Chronicle,
!fortune Poet, ALL POT TOGETHER.
In addition ta the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS,
Morning Poner, there were issued for the Event*? &awn,
THE EXPRESS 7'/8.714
Which wes more, we believe, than were issued eithmli
,he Globe or tliandard, Evening Papers.

as noon that the producer+
were made to trade fn.
One produces provisions
&nos and cheapness unri
factures goods at a price tk
competition; a third prow
soothers soil and climate, thi,
necessities to civilise.: c‘miiti
the three is necessarily to ti
the energies of the three t 4
into, and developed by, th. '
the energiis, and proeperit. ,
all are cramped and peril ei
bibition.
There is no reason assis.ni
not hold its gull share of
11
English have liin or do at
this ariees from vie depree
those classes in this count'
is recruited. The slip ;
Lords committee evident!•
tains, nothing of their c..:‘
whether the latter had a i
their profession or not
inquiries.
In America, on the Corti
the captainsscould have s
on a level with
woeachuld h. othve. ..,1
of the vessel
interest of and in the t n
went. It is our aristocra
indifference aud distance
that leaves the lower dello+ 4
consequen•ly dissolute :.ni
the American captain or •
level of his employer, get •
enterprise, which calls
energies. The one spite n 1
the other leaves an auto-
or sell-conduct.
One adv intage of ti e
laws will be to induce
tween the English and .
grade. In this competti;
and will tint remain .n 1
British sailor will b.
the intelligence, and tl
as the good sense of
fault, but rathvr a IN
!perky, that there ezists
in England ; but a cor.vel
possessed of wialth she Jr
the inevitable and degradit
tion in the lower claw v.
Hitherto our only idea
was its numbers. Aid
of the protectionists. lb
bow strong should tot'
Ireland? But such r rev
be the numerical etre, gh
the discontented, the •lis
The &bate of Nl•mdal
on the character and fort
important question that
which we shall repeated
such a matter, however
wawa laws.

WWI wI7CB AT LONDWG BRIDGE.
Tata Oss—Vlsrems. tAs, Au 0 Afters., e; .I•.isst
1•-•0••011—Itiont•4 14 ens. fast I. Anent., 3; W,yrt L

WE believe we
.nkay.
racye
i
o
L
r
h
properi
lannifoohf
refusal
thet
hentofeer roleamuteypihghegine.
house
Ifestdetlist,siev:lttetohls ceiedhsnouulnhrir dh.uec cutemt largerdir
eintotlsyes
col %ftnip
o;Tflii B:sr' 't
hwaaneidf°°:'jir .81: a .I:lll.'ti.tite 41
11:
th
e.
question to the conAdA
at once issue a new v
matter. But, wh,,tel
the policy of the. liter
suppose, to ortg:nat
though it is most ces
party in the City. sW
Mr. ROTHSCHILD,
Lords the sense of
monstrous demi( a.
The course most k
Mr. ROTHSCHILD
events of the next •
in which the City k
it would probab' y
nounce on it.

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LONDON,IVEDNESDA Y, MAY 31.
THE protectionists are sadly at a loss to find ems
one to protect, at least some interest that is sensible of
the benefit of such protection, and zealous as well es
grateful for it. But in this respect they are much in
the condition of an old-school naval commander,
who never can get a crew of volunteers, and who ill
compelled to have recourse either to large bounties,
or to impressment, in order to complete the number
and give himself the authority of a following.
Who, in fact, wants to be protected' The colonies
have lost all the protection they cared for, and are
anxious to get rid, in fairness, of the remainder,
which is purely onerous. The merchant is clamor=
against restrictions and difficulties thrownf
th in e
Brins thewah
y
of his trade, for some supposed interests o
flag. The British consumers, that is nine-tenths of
the population, demand, in the name of common
sense and common fairness, that these restrio•
tions should disappear. The government, find-
ing no extensive interests zealous for the sup-
port of the navigation laws, while good
is to be done, and popularity gained by their repeal,
come forth with a very salutary. measure for that
repeal. And they arc obstructed and opposed—by
what? Not by large commercial interests, but by a
political party trading in old prejudices.
If the repeal of the navigation laws were proposed
to an assembly of the men of property or of the class
! affected by them, the hands that would be held tip
against that repeal would be really too few to ue4
I counting.
But the word protection has power, for it is a stan-
dard from which many privileged classes still hope for
support. Even those who have lost all interest in
the thing, cling to the name from vindictiveness to
opponents. And those who have but a most
diminutive and fractional interest in the country,
I have a powerful and pernicious preponderance
nn
the legislature. Political and party reasons—
those of political economy and commercial wea
alllth—
prompt the House of lords to reject real
1 completion of free trade in the navigation
for holaws.
The difficulty is to find law and pretextholding
out. The Lords have opened their usual bureau for
the collection of arguments and opinions on behalf of
their chosen opinion. They have had a committee,
and have published the evidence of some thirty per-
sons. The evidence of almost all tells in favour of the
repeal of the navigation act, or at most they are in-
different about, or ignorant of it. They have not
studied the question, or not examined particular points.
Vain efforts are made to elicit from Vest Indians an
expression of indifference to the navigation laws, and
from Australian traders some fears that the pre.
sent measure would deprive the colony of the means
of shipping its exports. No staunch witnesses gave
the desired protectionist replies, save and except
shipowners, and old tars like Mr. Wlirrwett, Of
impress mho respect the navigation laws as they do
impressment, for having been the wisdom of our
ancestors.
We are, however, no longer in the dark as to the
use to be made by the protectionists of their collected
testimony, and as to the line of defence which
eye
have resolved to take up. Of the three principlesth
laid down in these laws ;—the compelling the trade
with the Asiatic hemisphere to be
bar direct trade,
excluding British vessels ; the prohiitng the trade
with Europe to any save British vessels, or vessels
belonging to the particular country producing the
article of export ; and the monopoly of c loonial inter&
course : the two first are given up by Mr. HERRIE
The exclusiveness of the long voyage trade he
abandons by permitting produce from beyond the Ospe
to come to England from an European port. That of
the European carrying-trade he also abandoned by the
admission that it may be given at the price of reci-
Focity. The present bill empowers the government
ftst we shall be altogether deprived of any chaos
ors example. And the moment is both critical and
to demand this price-4n useless proviso. For in
Of such a trade, unless we begin by showing a genet-
opportune, when every country in Europe is under-
going a new birth, which cannot fail to end
self-will
ow each
with a vigour of jealousy, and prejudice, and
which the taste of freedom dot but increase.
The protectionists, in fact, under the command of
Mr. HERRIES withdraw from the wide aria of tho
navigation laws into the citadel of monist monopoly.
There they entrench themselves,hoist tue drawbride,
and defy assault. And thus they narrow
.3.lgreat
principle and a vest question into tb,. poor, lithe, elilt
dispute of purely West India interests, with whiedn it
seems those of our navy sre considered to Le boun. up.
And for this they have not ever the sapport of the
West Indiana. To preserve colonial monepoly,indee:
pite of the colonies, despite of all iiitelligice se
every material interest abroad or at home,such m
the forlorn hope that the protectionists have taken up.
The main argument againstepering the collt onial
is trclearade
is that the Americana would profit uy A.

WHATEVER nu)
Rowe of Comm.mm
form and the pm
on which all re:
tire helplessnes. of
hers, when cha• get
themselves or thi
the mercy of um e
men unused to .1
system of tryi mg
provement upoa tl
old custom of be
then reducing • hi
" knocking th
ultimately lea, ml
the fate of the ant.
the political of
the evidence, 1 mai
the still older jim
right to sit dir
taking the
sembly ; but
will, there I
the whole pla t.
be a political •nm
tribunal bell-e
have heretofo, e
majority of tic
casual marry y
an avowed ai d
pointment of tlo
Lions, or the
delegated th
The cut °u
bill has beer fol
committee aa
political pa
government h
of his frien.°s,
the Secrete) y
man. Up. um
the nomin .
hers to t
what is tees
the present si
here again ant
and tory pf.rtl
other. Of
presently.
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committee
custom, lir mf
on one lido
hard to tb ii
to manifer+,
the comm, tt
the inquiry,l
where the
the "chain
ing power ;
is to make I
Sow u e
teries by vrf
mittee

part of ti
follow the
days of
be some
men see is
larchairmi
bosom ofl
member
Harwich
Glouces:ei
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members
evidence
whilst Lt'
and the
holding t
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were made to trade fn o
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dance and cheapness unr'
of .iii:(°11.::::ieth:!) facturen goods at a price ..1
competition; a third pent''
southern soil and climate, tilt.
neceseilies to civilise.: cont.
the three is necessarily to t. -
rF the e,naenlidesevoefionethde
by, th'
th: a
umPoull. Hai ,2-I§,e°4' the energit s, and proeperitt ,
a are cramped and peril •
hibition.
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not hold its full share of tl• t
firer an I NV., ' i
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uirele* nafliPlds erozrld:uale':te eub:' I:
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beat :h.
endsa:--Nhouse;
; English hive ilia or do Lel
this gripes from t.,e depict e
t
those classes in this count' ..-
ttom, and to let an public is recruited. The Ili ip
.i.t.tlietin:arholun:ftyni:tarbrrrwte: really
: .el yt: the
I:the
animus
imom.ha Lords' committee evident!,
tame, nothing of their e-..
whether the latter had a 1.,
their profession or not
inquiries.
In America, on the cur 1
the captainssvould have 1
on a level with each oth. t.,
.olitPat:hralt:reyelEtl:anisehs:las:_ltteuulpe.iyirorefdirr'ribeT.al:E.titndi,ilipitieAglydenatiagit°lngistiresuw: of the vessel would hal
interest of and in the , .
men'. It is our aristocra a
indifference and distance ,
that leaves the lower etas. ,
consequetrly dissolute ..n
:edestrispy;niserisfigrwiisic.i.Treettaine.o.s.exi:nstea,,moud,ii,n4o.,:fathei the American captain or
level of his employer, get
enterprise, which calls f
energies. The one syste•n
the ether leaves an auto-'
or self-conduct.
One adv intage of t! a
laws will be to induce
tween the English and
grade. In this competti
Lo the reception o: the pea and will unt remain ..
' British sailor will be
the intelligence, and t'
as the good sense of
fault, but Tather a c.
aperity, that there exists
in England • but a cot •
possessed of' as Kith she .1.
nine of the 31,4 M .r. ' dew
Africa and Makin. wili be the inevitable and degriud'
tion in the lower claw S.
Umiak. and the 1:11:.,.: SIVA Hitherto our only idea
the Zed June, was its numbers. Ael
1; T.Mp.OO, end Pune Itex, .1 of the potectionists. 15
=rt, Cairthagen add., 3 bow strong should lof
Bouts Arocrlen. Abd /0. baser
worn/nit ot We 2nd June Ireland? But such sere
leer pleas', Diorite Video:P
0 AYeen. will a tend„,9l"la..tu be the numerical etrei
the discontented, the ,I
The debate of Nl•antla
'3°' lisdetra• c• 411, and Gaol* •
ll the 7th June.
Marseilles, to the mac on the character and fo
i-isenir, an, will es made lip iniportant question that
which we shall rapes ,
N.., Malta, Greece, the lotraelsiods,
plicne, ant j'hina, no noun:amps such a matter, however,
Ind the lathiest. vigation laws.
Morning ant
,Mia;4l D,
rata,ie4: gn re
dehdß t 'by
P e roy. the
t . centT
le al
)4u Chronicle,SA' 7:1}38:t0::1 '9l.
ail It:heSe, . WE believe we may
my that her Maysty
early in the next et stao ,
into the House of Cam
of the Jewish Disabili
House of Lords to red •
proper resolution of th
issued for the Event*? &Wuxi, the bill when re-1n
778.714 through the lower ho
:lieve, than we issued tithe' II and with larger majo
ening Papers.er fear of its euceees reed
Meanwhile Mr.
L AT LONDON saintie.
m. past 0. After... r, 00. Ant & mended by his politic.
a. past '• itternooll..:3; ......mast L to present himself us a
-- -- - - - of the house. On di•
he will of course deck'
)NESDA Y, MA Y3l.
refusal his duty will t:
e sadly at a loss to find some the house to decide.
some interest that is sensible of ' the question of the .
tection, and zealous es well es question to the con-id
this respect they are much in at once issue a new •
old-school naval commande, matter. But, wh• to •
ew of volunteers, and who ill the policy of thelbe
more either to large bounties, suppose, to origna
L order to complete the number though it is most ce
uthority of a following. party in the City. sh
to be prolected? The coloaies 'Mr. ROTIISCIIILI.,
:ection they cared fee, and me Lords the sense of
in fairness, of the remainder, ' monstrous decieif it.
us. Them,
merchant is clamoree; The course mo Lt.
.
Mr. RovnscsaiL t
d difficulties thrown in thews,
events of the next
supposed interests of tneßrik
.numeral that is nine-tenths of in which the Citv ~numeraland, in the name of comma it would probab' y .
pounce on it.
. fairness, that these restrie.
pear. The government, fuid-
interests zealous for the sup- WHATEVER n .ay
ivigation laws, while good Howe of Common.
polarity gained by their repeal, 1 form and the pi a-
very salutary. measure for that ' on which all re:. •
ire obstructed and opposed—by tire helplessnee o
ge commercial interests, but bye bers, when cha• g •
ig in old prejudices. themselves or th
Le navigation laws were proposed the mercy of le Sc
Le men of property or of the class men unused to ..11,
lie hands that would be held up system of tryi 'I;
would be really too few to ae4 provement upol t
old custom of .
then reducing • h :.
Aection has power, for it is a sten-
stay privileged ciasees still hope foe " knocking th
use who have lost all interest in ultimately lea, in.
D the name from vindictiveness to the fate of the m
the evid
those who have but a most the political
iia
of
actional interest in the country, ence,
and pernicious preponderance in the still older A.
Political and party reasons—not right to sit stir c, .
economy and commercial wealth— taking the ac
se of Lords to reject all real sembly ; but
e trade in the navigation laws. w
be a ill, th
pia'.
ere i•
find law and pretext for holding the whole
political to
are opened their usual bureau for
'guments and opinions on behalf of tribunal befo-e
on. They have had a committee, have heretofo, e .
-d the evidence of some thirty per-
-3i 1 eat
traders
ard of
detfiignorantoealmostn:s aetali& Itoeorf
rolf tells
faeiitaLrs i
moatTre
e that
hf aettryhloenhuytd i
an
arah are
voeet the
p.te.. majority of fl•e
casual majority
an avowed at d
pointment of th
0, or not examined particular point& tions, or the ..
delegated tin. a
fference to the navigation laws, andns
The rusk .Li
bill has beer fo
committee a-1
ld deprive the colony of the means
'port*. Igo staunch witnesses gave political pa t -
tectionist replies, save and except government h
the Secr
old tars like Mr. Wlirrwett, of
of his friers's, y
eat the navigation laws as they do ets.
r having been the wisdom of our man. Up.. 11
the nomin iti
hers to a I
ter, no longer in the dark as to the
Ly the protectionists of their collected "what is tic •n
a to the line of defence which they the present
take up. Of the three principles here
tagainaga n an
see laws ;—the compelling the trade andrt
D hemisphere to be a direct trade, other. 01
hvessels ; the prohibiting the trade presently.
any save British vessels, or vessels On the
he particular country producing the committee o
t ; and the monopoly of colonial inter custom, nr in
J first are given up by Mr. HERRIE& on one side
renews of the long voyage trade he Bardis to tes..,
h L. •
ruining produce from beyond the Ospe manif
the comma
land from an European port. That of
Arrying-trade he also abandoned by the the inquiry,
it may be given at the price of red- where thc g
the " chaie L.
prent bill empowers the government
as pricean fuseless proviso. For in tug powe: ;
be altogether deprived of any chalice is to make
Now w e
!, unless we begin by showing a genet-
And the moment is both critical and teries by w
mitten In .
en every country in Europe is under-
irth, which cannot fail to endow each part of t
follow the
of jealousy, and prejudice, and self-will days of
to of freedom cloth but increase.
nonista, in fact, under the command of be some. a
withdraw from the wide arca of the men see Lo•
lar chair i 1 •
ws into the citadel of coLonisl inonopoly. because •,f
drench themselees,hoist tue drawbndge, member
malt. And thus they narrow a great Harwict
Glouces..•
'This was
members
they have not ever theme upport of the evidence
dee-
o. 'To preserve colonial nepoly,in . whilst .
Monies, despite of all ititelligeece an
i'fracolvuyar;ltlcievs3ut.careslntiodiacon
nainiiritricereeredth 't;a,tp:wiet,hbo'iftsti:Luiheide' it'Lluviat.
and the
al interest abroad or at home, such is holding
trade
ueoxdp; banal, t .
ope that the and all
visas
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