The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-09 00:00:00

BRITISH GUIANA.

Mr. HUMS said he had already Riven notice that he
should raring under the notice of the house the situation
in which British Gni ,na was placed. It would be
recollected that that col say had been without the
power of t■xiog its•l, for the last 12 months, that every-
bing was in a most deplorable state there, and that the in.
habitants wt re anxiously waitieg the decision of that house.
The report en the table did net offer any opinion upon the
suEject, and therefore he wished the house to come to some
decision. It sews most important for the peace of the colony
that that thou' be done. He wished the noble lord at the
head of the government to fix some day for th• discussion,
in rr ler that the question might be settled bofore the sailing
of the next packet. All he wanted was to have it disposed
of on an early day.
Lord J. RUSSELL was willing it should come on speedily
but the house must recollect that certain days were fixed for
the despatch of government business.

Mr. H. BAILLIE hoped the coble lord would take into
consideration that, if the pmeont se lion panned over, the
colic y would remain for another year without any remedy.
Lord J. nrssELL was nnderstsod to promise that he
would 1211014 an early day for the discussion.

SCHOOLMASTERS IN SCOTLAND.

is reply t Mr. COCHRANE.

The LO RD ADVOCATE said 'hat it was not his inten-
tion to brine in any bill for the bettu regulation o( school-
tauten in Scotiald.

AUSTRALIA.

Mr. DISRAELI ask 0 whether it was the intention of
tilt hese genEensan the Under.Sezretare for the Colt nies
to proceed on Monday with tke bill for the better regulation
of the Australian colonies ?

M•. HAWES hoped on Monday to be able to introduce
the bill, but he promised to afford hon. gentlemen ample
time fur the icor siderati m of its detail!.

THE NATIONAL SOCIETY.

Mr. MILESe;7I hon. gentleman
the Secretary of State fur the licrie department in hie piece,
he wished to know whether his attention bad been called to
the report of the acoual meeting the other day of the Na-
tinnal Society, at which them tnagement clauses came under
certain resolutions, upon which he
ditenssion ? The Archbishop of Canterbury presided, and,
Id utd a gees ion, had been almost unanimously
after eitit Lours debate,
td tpted. It was moved by Archdeacon Manning,
That this meeting acknowledges the care and attention of the com-
mittee in conducting the correspondence pending wi h the committee
of the Privy Council on education, and regret. to nod that a satisfac-
tory conduoion ha' am yet' ein at t led. Secsid,y, that while this
meeting desiree fully to co-operate with the state In promoting the
education of the people tt is under the necessity of declaring that no
term• of co.optration ran b^ sat la/actor, which shall n. t allow to the
clergy and lit, foal freedom to cot stitute schools upon such mind-
' plea and motels so are both Panel and and recommrnded by the
order and the practice of the Church of Englan I. Thirdly, that in
p iriku,sr thee should desire to put the management of their schools
solely in the baud, of the chugy and bishops of the diocese.
Now, his question was this, whether three resolution%
having ben carried be a society which must he supposed to
represent exclusively tha t stablished church, the right hon.
b aonet was prep;rod to acc,de to proposiinns so distinctly
enunciated, and carried almost unanimou•ly ?

Sir G. GREY said •hat he had received no information
whatever of the Orton Ming. of the late meeting of the Na-
tional Society, except wh.t was derived from the reports in
•he newspapers anti fr m private sources •f information. The
hon. member had siren notice for the production of all the
e ITU apottlence h had taken place on the subject, end ea
that would be laid upan the table on ao ea ly day it would

sad/hetet* explain the positions occupied by the Naticnal
Society and the etommittee of the privy council on education.
(Hoar, hear.)
Is reply to a further question from Mr. Mune,
Sir G. GREY said that the questions had nith yet come
officially or otherwise bc r ,TO the committee in council, and
that therefore he could hot say what course the committee in
council would take resoicting any rca lutions that might be
transmitted to them by the Archbishop of Canterbury, as
chairman of the ccmanitiee of the National Society.
THE TOOhIEVARA EVICTIONS.
Mr. DRUMMOND threw himself upon the justice and
indulgence of the house, while he troubled it with a refuta-
tion of the attack made the othir event. g by the hon. mem-
ber for Limerick on the Rev. Massey Dawson. He must say
that he thought it unjust to bring torward charges against
individuals in that house without giving them nnttoe. (Hear,
hear.) The hon. gentit man thi n read a letter from the Rev.
Meese), Daimon, explaining the circumstances which led to
the evictions, and which appear generally to be the non-
payment of rents, which had not been paid in some instances
for five years, and dercribing the evicted as penots who were
ri ceiving poor rates by duy, and who were plundering by
night—th‘t they had stclen cattle from persous in the neigh-
bourhood and that even the Roman catholic priest h►d bad
his pig stolen by them.

Mr. J. O'CONNELL laid that the fact alleged against
the rev. gentleman, was not at all denied—namely, that he
had turned cut 500 or 600 persons to perish.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE lead a passage from a letter re-
ceived from Dept. Drought, the inspector, stating that the
'akes were serval at Toomevars, and that the board of
guardians, at his suggestion, were giving the evicted people
',mall money 'lowan, es previous to their receiving out-door
relief, and that the able-hodied were ordered to the work-
house, but up to the pr.sent few had availed themselves
of it.

Mr. P. SCRAPE attempted to continue the conversation,
but was prenntsd by the Knee of the house as egainst order;
upon whiM

Mr. F. O'CONNOR said that as the government had
omitted to make their usual motion of adjeurnment, he
would came to their aid on the present occasion, and move
that the house at its rising adjourn to Monday next.
(Laughter.)
THE KILRUSH EVICTIONS.
Mr. P. SCROPE (availing himself of the motion just
made to address the house) brought before its notice
the report of C ptain Keunedy, the icepector, respecting the
Kiiruala etnion ; in which he said that within the last twelve
months 15,000 person, had been driven from their houses by
this horrid system of wholesale eviction, and that 1,200 more
were in prom sa of eviction ; the result being the crowning
tngether of several families into a
single
room, where death
diminished their number in the course of a few weeks.
Sir G. GREY was not astonished that the union of Rd-
rash should have attracted the attention of his hon. friend—
( sir. P. Scrope) ; but when be spoke of the act of last year
as being inoperative, he wished to say that it was not paesed
to prevent legal ejectment& by landlords on it being shown
that the tenants had not paid their rent or had violated their
contracts; it was named with the object, which had been
attained, of preventing illegal evietions ; and also cf pre.
venting cruelties before legal evictions took place, by obliging
notices to be given of the legal process, and means to be
taken to provide temporary shelter for the evicted parties.
Sir It. PEEL said he was aware of the extreme d fficulty
of appl) brig any legistative remedy to such cases as had just
been brought under their notice ; but he thought it limit&
that an expression of abhorrence and indigaation at them on
the part of that house might have some effect in checking
them. (Hear, hear.) He did not think the records of any
country in the world, civilised or barbarous, ever presented
such a statement as that which was presented by the letters
of Captain Kennedy. It was a public and a ffieial document,
and had been presented by order of the crown for the consi-
deration and guidance of parliament. He believed the writer
of it to be an officer in her Majesty's service, and he pre-
fumed that the sta•ements it contained were of unquestion-
able veracity. Captain Kennedy stated that in one union,
at the time of the famine, and within one year, 15,000 persons
had been driven from their homes, and that, although handle
credible, yet, alter that teem's° of power, 1,200 more hail
been evicted within the last month. He then pro-
ceeded to give three individual cases of the con.
sequences of thee, evictions, and three such tragic
cases he (Sir R. Peel) believed bad never been corjured
up by the imagination of say human being. He stated that
he personally saw this dreadful state of things. He went
into a wretched house, he (Sir R. Peel) forgot whether it
had a roof or net, which had been taken possession of by a
father and mother and two children who had been evicted
mom their hemp, snit he there found the father lying dead,
the mother, in astate of hopeless dysentery, about to die, and
the two children lyiug fast asleep on the corpse of their
fa. her. The seemed case he mentioned was that of a wnmai,
dying of cis ',eatery in a wretched hovel, the odour emitted
from which was so (ffeneive that it was scarcely povitile t
approtch it; and the third wee that of a man who was break.
ing stones on the road, and whom he saw euddenly a ice on
the resonant of a pair of shoes and fly scr as a field of heath.
Lining eight of him he fol!owed, and shortly discovered a
fire, upon making inquiri s respecting which, he aecer.ained
that the man whom he had seen had been ',riven from his
home, and that he had himself built a temporary hovel, and
that it was to that hovel fire had been set in order the more
completely to drive him from the place. These were
these lies stated as consequences upon eviction.. He
knew not if it were possible to apply a legislative
remedy, but he hoped that the expression of their deepest
abhorrence of such seems might have some effect in checking
them (Hear, hear.)

Mr. STAFFORD slid that the house was quite right to
expreu its abhorrence of these ejectment,; but they sheeted
recollect that there were °the r circumstances in the case and
on the other side of the question, to which their attention
had not been directed. (Hear, hear.) It was well known
that ia the county where the se scandalous occurrences tcok
place the famine bad been very severe, and the public works
ice full operation. The one having been withdrawn, and the
other bring arrested only by the poor law, it became a mere
battle for existeece between landlords and tenants. It was not
, fair, therefore, to charge the landlords altogether with what
was pertly, at least, owing to their own legislation. It was
no longer a question with many of the landlords A the com-
forts and luxuries of life, hot of a bare subsistence. They
were worse off than if they had nu estate, for the
small tenants were unable to pay their rents, and the land•
lord was Wise 1 to pay the rates of all tenants under 41

Mr. ROCIIE said, that if the rich had temptations the
poor also had theirs; but he thought the hon. gentleman
rather strained a point in attribu•ing all these evnctions
to the fact of that house nut having cured
out Lis Lobby of a townland rating. He fat
that the poor of Ireland owed a deep debt of gratitude
to the right Lon. gentleman the member for Tamworth in
giving to them the weight of hi, sympathy, and in holding
up to the abhorrence of this country those landlords wht,
were cruelly evicting their tenantry.

Mr. H. GRATTAN said the simple questien resolved
itself into this, th%t the logi.lation of that house had ruined
Irelard. With the worst legislation that ever disgraced the
worst parliament ever conferred upon Ireland, Ireland
could not have been wens than she was at preient. He
had just arrived from Ireland, and the people seemed
to be ccmposed of two classes only—the one
looked as if they had jnst come out of the
grave, the other as if they were going into it.
One great advantage would arise from throwing over the 41 -
clause and the enwarvi clause. As it was, all classes were
impovi rished ; and landlords who had inc imes of 2,0001. to
6,0001. a-year were wittlout a via& shilling. What govern-
ment meant to do with Ireland he could not imsene. The
landlords could not 'mph)) the people : where, then, was the
benefit of anricul ural lecturers?

Mr. LAWLESS rej iced that the right hon baronet, t►e
m•mher for Tamworth, had expressed himself sq strongly
ega.nst these (victims The attention of the house was
now fully dr.wn to the matter; and the government mast
tyke some e,,gnissnee of it.

Mr. SCULLY said the re wu a central committee sitting
in Dublin, presided over by the Marquis of Kildare, who
would be most happy to receive such contributions as the
hon. gentleman had alluded to. As to the recent eviction in
Toom , after heating the defence that had been made,
he could not but tore' the influence which appeared to
have ban poecsed by the middlemen. But after the evic-
tion, when the poor creature• were thrown out on the high
road, it was certainly the duty of the authorities to take
int sauces to prevent tat m from starving. The only remedy
he could conceive was to throw the chargeability of the
evicted on the party eviction; aid then the landlord would
know that he was awing at hit own risk.
Mr. DRUMMOND again complained of the injustice of
accusations being brought forward against individuals with-
out n

The motion for adjournment till Monday was then
agreed to.

POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion that the house do go Into committee on
this bill,

Sir H. W. BARRON moved " that the property at pre-
sent rated to support the poor in Ireland is totally inacle.
create for that purpose ; that in England there are sixty-
seven millions of prop, rty rated to the poor, the population
being about fif een midions ; whilst in Ireland there are
only thirteen million+ of property rated to the poor, with a
(much poorer) p pulntion e t' about eight million+ ; showing
nearly three times more property in England per head to
support the poor than in Ireland; that, therefore, it is
Dec. airy to provide further means for support of the poor
of Ireland, in order to ',move the extreme pressure which
is now erushirg down the ratepayers in that ccuntrv, and
checking the energies of all employers and capitalists." He
observed that 'he property in England rated to the poor was
much underrated at sixty-seven millions; its real value,
judging from the income-tax return'', was proba-
bly over 100 millions. This rendered the disproportion
between the property cf England and Ireland rill greater.
The amount rf real pr. perty rated to the poor in Ir. lend
was 11,000,0001, but at present, ace,,rding to the testimony
of Mr. Griffiths and Mr. Stuart, who were examined ?wore
the Poor-law commiree, it vir .8 tot more thin 10,000,0001.,
so that for every M. of rateable properly in this country for
the support of the poor, there was but 11. in Irelan 1 for the
same purpose. Yet. no'withstandin • this. there were gnat
complain.* made in this country against the pressure of the
rates. Envlan I was nearly crushed by the poor law till
they made amendm•t is in it. Was it to be wonder. d at them
t`'at Ireland hal enropletr ly broken down und, r its erre et+ ?
The hon. gentleman then referred to the evidence
of Mr. Do Vere, who stated that there was a
great d,fferenee between the English and the Irish proprie-
tor, as aff,eted by 'h. ',porker, inasmuch as the English
proprietor either inherited or purchased his estate subject to
the poor rate, whereas the tax in Ireland was a new impoed
lion, and was a most grievous a..d galling burden on the
per. 41 who tiller ioherited or purthard in that country.
The evidence of Col. Vaudaleur showed that the poor were

;
so numerous in the union of KilrinhotZo------ie whole
pert, of the union woillet not support them. The evil would
go on increasing if they did not take stem to nixed,
The burden thrown en the land was perfectly intolerabit
le
In some unions there were 20,000 persons receiving outdo,.
relief; and in many other, the number ranted fr se 20000.
to 10,000. No lean then 8,600 persons, military and poke,
were employed in the collection of the tweelan
year, lethe' ding several field officers, cat tains, heirenanu, and ensi.
many of whcm had told him that they felt the duty to m
the most degrading one they hat ever performed. Wee weriall the expenses of the Irish poor law thrown on Inlerefi When the poor law was impo.ed on England, her runner
were great; in Ireland the or hol ebu rden fell on the lend, of roe
beneficial value of which the leapt. had been to a striater.
tent deprived. Why should L!rd Farnham pay 10,000/ e
year nut of 18,0001. for the support of the ir, Yea
the Lord Chancellor of England pay nothiepog out ei
his allowance of 8,0001. a year towards the tame olieri
As to the proposition that the Irish were impracticably reg;
that it was imposeible to get them to work, this Ind bete
altogether refuted by Mr. Mill. He ca led upon the hoses
to take energetic stets for ?weariest their of
warning them that if Ireland were to fall, she must hat,j-ti;
bly involve England in her ruin.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said there was no member afire
bons*, assuredly no Irish member, who did not feel the
fullest sympathy with the miserable condition, the post,.
Lion auto which every interest in Ireland bad thee, eke
apeech of Lis hon. friend., went, t: awe,
to the total repeal of the Irish poor as reev't
that law were the occasion of this , whereas ei
point of fact, bad as was the condition of lobed
that condition would have been infinitely none bad the pee;
law not been in operation during the fearful famine *kith
had no ir for three successive years desolated Ir.lmd. (11,e;
hear.) The hon. gentleman teemed to st.tribtue the nit.
time in Ireland to the poor law ; now ertedons bed here
put into effect in Ireland years and years, and at hem to a large extent, before the p r law war ewe
thought of, and if they had wiitto a recast Kira
been of more Influent occurrence, this again wee 'I nose
to the famine. ne right hon. gentleman 'tweed as ea
amendment that the Speaker do L eve tee chair.

Colonel DUNNE supported the motion.
Mr. B. OSBORN II said that the hon. baronet the Csio
Secretary for Ire:and seemed to think that the aamodues
of the hon. baronet the member for Waterford would Meet
the effect of repealing the Irish poor law. Eve.l if owti
were the case be would support it, not because he did tot
thi, k some pour law was to quired, I,ut beams, la eio
opinion, the present Irish poor law was destructive M the
best interests et the coutery, and had proved a curse instead
of a blessing to the people. It did rot support the peer,s,4
it made the Irish landlords p r indeed. ge al*
take leave to deny the hen. boronet'e assertion that
the government had done what it ought toward,
mitigating the evils of Ireland. He did not accuse rakisters
of a lack of dieporition to assist Leland. What he accused
them of was ignorance. Toe hon. member teen drew lb.
attenti m ef the house to the evils resulting from estates in
the C Ant of Chancery being under the c mtrol of receivers,
not one shilling of the rentals of which were applied to Me
improvement of the estates. He call. d upon the hen* to
appoint a committee of inquiry into the suiject, when
pledged himself that a plan should ha sut mated calculated
to remove the evils at present existing, and to hold out kW
immediate hrps of a t etter a:ate of things,
Mr. NAPIER stated that it appeared from inquiet., re-
cently made that two millions of property in Ireland ass
under receivers in equity, and asked why shod.' not
this system, so gross in its details, aid se injurious u its
results, be unaltered ? Property bad its duties as well as its
rights; but in such cases as these where wire (Le du ie, of
trop ry ? Instead of its dmies toting perform. d, the system
was pregnant with every species of Jodie, and moral taw
chief, and was calculated alike to pauperise and &moral w
the tenantry. It there was a short inquiry now it would
enable them to pass au efficient measure, to give ?ewer to
the Court of Chancery to establieh a new system, and, before
N.evember neat, one might be introduced Metering emfideme
and hepe. This was one of the mesne by wnich at least thy
might alleviate the condition of Iresaw, if they cold tot
prevent the continuaece of some of the misery by which she
was now oppressed.
Lard J. RUSSELL me to gay now a few words on the
subj.cr, and he said only " a few words," hecuuse be had,
in f ,ct, no o'jection to make to the proposal of the hoe,
reember for Middle ere, that there sheuld be an inquiry on
thin subject. He thought it was one of the highest import-
mice. lie thought that the evils which the hon. m• mint
for Maitticsex had so ably 'feinted out, and in which he had
been Viewed by the lion. and learned gentl, man so experi-
enced in his knowledge of the I.w, were such
that it was most desirable to apply a remedy,
as f r as they could, at least, to the evils.
He should say likewise that the Lord Chencel!or of
Ireland had for some time paid very great attention
to thissubject, and it was certainly no fault of Li. that he bad
not introduce d a measure on the subjt et. He had traced out
a plan, which, if the committee stiould b appuin•ed, should
be laid before them ' • be had traced it in great de•ail, and be
(Lord J. Russell) thought it would be a very fit subject of
inquiry by the committee. The plan, however, seemed to go-
vernment te be liable te;sonie grave oLjeetions,and it had been
under consideration with the view of meeting the it tit jections.
He thought it was melt desirable that the question should
go to a committee, because in the committee aim mama fur
that plan or any other might be silted end ea-mattered. The
plan of the Lerd Chine. llor of Ireland did not materially
differ from that sketched by the hon. and learned gentleman.
He end,. barely go the length he did in saying that he could
expect that from the appointment of a public end responsible
receiver bent tit would be obtained by having the manager at
the prop- rty resident on his property, and I eking to its im-
provement, and the cone, xion he end his children Webb it.
He should therefore rather that one of the objet's of the
committee should be to inquire wheth• r the system of ap-
pointing receivers, and the teeili'cing et charging estates
with debt, had not been carried too far under the law as at
present existing. (Hear, hear.) lie owned he considered
himself that while the principle was a pet fretly just one
that it a person immured debt his estate should be made
liable for the payment of it, yt t that that principle, if e &tried
tee far, led to injury to all the persons living oa the estate,
and to the creditor also, in his not having the management
of that einem. He f. It that the appointment of a public
receiver would be bk. ly to work m .re benefidelly if the
preprieter could have tis hands tree. However, this would
be a point that would come under the consideraties
of the committee. He thought that although this subj. ct
did not immediately appertain to the question before the
house, yet that all these questions were tatimanly connected
with each oth, r, and that the house had received some mat
valuable information tram both the hon. member for Middle-
sex and the hon. member for the Universil of Dublin and
that it was by no means matter of regret :hat the details's.
had arisen. (" Hear," and cheers.) II Ilia hon. number
for Middlesex would move at any time fur the appoinuseat
of the committee, he (Leer, J. Russell) we uld be reedy te
support that motion ; at d his hon. friend the Bulimia-
°rental, who had introduced some measures with regard te
this subject, would be ready to give every assistance in his
power towards framing much a measure as ti e home might
approve o'. It was not by one measure, however, but by a
series of deferent measures, that rest would he givea to Ira
land. (Cheers.)
Mr. F. FRENCH complained that the maim question
brought, under the consideration of the lieu.e by the hon.
meenher for Waterford (Sir H. W. Barron) had been en.
tirely departed from in the course of the discussion. He
thought many of the evils of Ireland were not attributable
to the landlords, many of whom were themselves
struggling for existence, but that they were tr.ceable
to the legislation pursued in that rouse. Esictions
had been alluded to. He knew not se he•hrr many of the
repotted evictions had taken place; but of thit he was
aware, that in times past the right hen. baronet the member
for Tamworth had legislated u, on erroneous diva received
from the sister country, and that now he bad no right to
charge upon the a hole of the tended proprietary tae mis-
deeds committed by a few.

Sir R. PEEL said that he could not acquiesce in the
rebuke pass, d upon him by the hon. gent:eman. All the
regret he had to express was, that he had understated
the case of the p irtica in Ireland ; for on look-
ing again at the r.. ports, 11l found that he had
painted it very faintly and feebly. (Hear.) When ha
believed the Irish landlords and gentlemen had injustice
done to them, he had not been slow to .indicate them ; but
in his oeieLen the Irish gentlemen themselves ought tobe the
first to disclaim any connexion with the acts to which refer-
ence had been made in the early part of the evening. (Hear,
hear.) He assumed that oho papers laid upcn the table of
that house were correct. He presumed that her Majesty's
government would not lay documents there for the guid-
ance and conduct of hon. members in legislation without
being themselves convinced that those documents
bad not been grossly exaggerated. Did he make any attack
on Irish landlords generally ? Did he throw upon indivi•
duals a charge which might be justly attributable to legisla-
tion ? (Hear, hear) He had indeed said that there were
particular in-toners cited by Captain Kenner), which should
not be laid upon the table and one day suff. red to elapse
*ithout inquiring into them. ;Cheers.) It was easy to
say the House of Commons was responsi le for these in-
-11 stances. Let others do what they would, all the blame was
charged upon the II ...Ise of Commons; but was legis-
lation, tn any particular body, reseenaill• for the
acts he was going to creation? Was the House of
Commons responsible for the following act mentioned is
Cap'. Kennedy's to per ?
In a sow-shed adininiee this wretched robin I found "Ellen
Lynch" lying in an aim art !MINIMS state of dysentery. She had bean
earritd thither by her son ah, n "thrown out" of her mi.eruhls
lodging, and was threatened with momentary expul-ion from even
this refuge by the philanthropic owner of it ; her only bidet, reeled
in the (cargo( all but her son to approach her.
(Hear, hear.) Was that the fault of the House of Com-
mons, that a woman in dysentery, driven from ter cabin,
had taken shelter in a cowshed, from which she was about
to be expelled by the party .rho eviet.d her from the cabin,
and was only prevented I. rem doing so by f. ar of .he dysen-
tery under which she I.b oral ? (Hear, hear.) Was at the
fault of the House of Comm ne that the only being who ap-
proached her was her anti, whose fi•itl affection overcame the
tear of contagion ? (Cheer) Did the House of Commons
impose any necessity upon the landlord to evict her? No;
and therefore It t net bon members try to relieve individuals
from the individual resp.msibi'i which properly belonged
to them. (Loud cheers) The House of Commons was no
doubt responsible 'or bad legislat'on and the results of it, hut
let not the house be made responsible for acts of individual
inhumanity. (Hear.) Was the house responsible, for the
following eye, also reported by Captain Kennedy ;
" While tweeting a stone-hr thing it, pot a few days store, I
observed one of the men take off his remnant of a prir of shoes and
start wring the fields ; I followed him with my eye, and at • e intones
saw the blare of a fbe in the bag. Innt a boy to inquire the ewes
of it, and the man running from his work, anal tr.a told that has
house hod been levelled the day before, that he hid era aced& tent-
norary hut on the lands, and a bile his wife and elii!dren were gather-
ing shell-tt"b on the strand, and he tweak* stone., the bailiff, co
"driver," fired 14

aba, beer.) Lit act this be thrown upon the Homes of
bat let Irish gentlemen my,they what might
...via tenth, that these were ladisrMeal cases. (Hear,
Qr.) Teat would be a *WI' and =ors becoming course
wb gantlemes to adopt than to take the one pursued
sM hp, member ft r Roscommon (Hr. French) and say
asa imbeiduala were not responsible.
Mt. FRENCH-1 never said that.
ger. IL PEEL—You said that 1 ought to be the last man
to mks Leda of them reports, and that the legislature was
nonsible for what was occurring. There vras one
gall mentioned by Captain Lundy, which, almost
rases than any
.other. deepened this a •lour of these acts.
Ty captain a .ot, The.. 'taloa sets are submitted to
with an unresisting patience hardly credible." SRear,
beat) it was 'hough to awaken the liveliest &slogs of
propeny to tied that this parties who were suffes tog in this
sour were submitting w it with • patience which en.
asedsd eeli•f. Lis did not think be was tiling wrongly
vim, on the first day after these reports had been hid en
tbitebte, ha refused t allow such 'acts, so stated in rebid'
iecasiente, to be buried ill oldie •
FUENCH denied that he bad said that individuals
*mid Lot be answerable for the acts the, committed. Ills
silestim was, that the right boa. baronet the member for
Smnwerth had endeavoured to at ash to all the Irish lead.
kids the blame which was due only to a few.
The be.. than eivaled
Foe the amendment aft
relf ring bit° 0 mulattoes 144-114

would be a great burdeato impose to fools. The evidence
before the committee was in favour of the plan. Mr. de
Vete had evidently thought much on the postal question,
and gave grad evidence, but still his opinion was that Mr.
de Vera was a little influenced by his wish to find fault with
everything connected with the poor law. He (Lord Jae)
believed this bill would be a useful auxiliary to the bill for
the sale of encumbered e•te es. If land was made valueless,
what use in a bill to (militate sales ?

Mr. HERBERT would not speak long. (Cries of " Ad.
ja•rn.") He thought the principle of • asiziontra
would compensate for the vice of the bill. There was nothms
remedial in the bill. There would be future calls on the
itnprrial Exelstquer. 41 Id. was the largest sum ever col-
lected in the distressed unions. Thus capitalists would never
be safe.

Mr. ADAIR said more than 4s. Id. had Isms collected
in cue union. In Care 6.. had been collected. Is
Mitotic division lie. had been cAlected. He suppormd the
anima= rata as an emseptional measure, to give confidence
t: Ireland.
Mr. BERBIIIa ►aa quoted horn a vahlie pspar.:
—NT-SIDNEY HERBERT apprehended flat the noble
lord woald dense to pet eras bill through as soon as possible.
Why not az Monday ?

Lord J. RUSSELL thought bills should be passed at
ones when the house had arrived at the third reading. He
had agreed with other members, too, on the subject. Be-
sfies, there were pain's in the poor law *till requiring
serenclintnt. He would rather adhere to the old arrange-
'sent.
The committee then reported, and the house restmed.
Committee to sit stain en Monday.
Tee Cba•itable Trusts Bill was fixed for Monday.
The other orders of the day were then disputed of (as we
were inlntmed by the set menger), and the house adjourned
at five minutia past one o'clock.