The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-17 00:00:00

Mr. OSBORNE said he had heard with-pleuras the very
neediest sunk of the has. ass" leeelepa Ilildtber_ for the
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MO" the anew of people rditizi
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stradil anl that Ws repined pest
Dart lase ems sail he WWI whet ma the us of
PloteledisS to its the goveriusest, and suateatados
of the peep!. du Wesel Inland, when they only had
the somas 'ef meeting eheen far a IsehtiOt. Maw,
hues) Me Ire savPia pseud as earither excuse for
hiseetai theme monedid sasses of wit* the government
WI been blued." 11141, bat of *dither had never been
inallead. (Haar, hear.) He odd net agree with the
beimpashis patismen who led thrt eat down in his
grabs ef the Elehili peer law. He lobed spas it at
itrialilinisier, mei was moreiseed that by so legislative
of It soli thv oral wi hethe Mdalom which
their legidadon hod meal*. What was the hot? Why,
117 eimis, oat of the 120 isle width Ireland was divided,
woo is dolt Ursa that. therm =dodo of the loans
fees goommeit mid fees . the Bride's Amociation.
They owed WM. brim
_reedod, addititio,
241,00 W. ma tads. hod' MU* children fed by
the Haiti illaddedoe. Mad hem be would chorea upon
the essellest eraser in width the Ildlidi Asoseladon had
doss he Oat of 000,0001. width they bad undertaken
to tea, net *eve 6,0006 , ee is. then 1 per ant., read
boa spent to the teak. (Ilear_, hear.) The government,
however, bed mos* a very different muse and had gives
to cm* gendemes—Eir C. Trevolyan—a donation of 2,50014
sod had seisedhit a X.C.B. (Hear, hear.) To ration to
the rises t Wady Odra wore in a state eardtheiif
solvery, and the cress el unpaid
broken down. He cauleaded that reeraltrera of the
poor law was altogether assaited to Ireland. In Belgian
Yea were 77 prow to the 100 cultivable acres. In Do-
ke& there was a, Is lhigissi SS, in Scotland 51,
and in Frame 4f to the 100 idea. Ireload, this,
rank damity of periodos ; at the
manse timese dud two-thirds of the red ereee
onecals :windrow, whilst in Offal am&
is the m imed were employed Is wannest sad,
maa yet*" mine poor law was apply& to each,
estuary. (Hear, beer.) Ha agreed with way hes. patio.
um who had preceded him, that if they hoped to effect say
budded' change in that poor law, they most tram the
area of tazation. The which paupers had scow
times to walk before they could obtain relief, was smastmes.
They frequently bad to walk 40 mile; and one instance was
adduced where a pauper setaally had to walk 160 miles be-
fore he could obtain relief. And that was the poor law
which they bad attesptod to It upon Ireland—a law whisk
beggared the rich, whist it did not Bart the poor maa. (Hear.)
He was sure the best thing they could do for the poor law
ifit was to week at all, was at ogee to reduce the area ef
taxation. With reference to those compreheosin mama
that we beard so mach of, he could not understand hew they
would ever get on in Ireland with the state of these wins
unions. As lug as. the present uopanns of the sated
value to the laticei held good (the bon. member oases
toned the rat-adman and the population of several unions)
no new 'theme could be devised. What bad be.
come of these schemes for home colonization? He
warned the sable lord and the government, that
if the system of outdoor relief went on for another
six mounts in Ireland, it wand be totally impossible to save
that country. He called on the noble lord not to shuffle off
his responsibility by taking the easy course of referring than
measures to a committee. Ireland required immediate legis.
laths on the subject. The noble lord might ask what plea
he would propose. He would tell him that he would never
reach the source of the real nib of Ireland until he assimi-
lated the laws of real and personal property in that country
—until he freed the land from the fatal fetters which now
encircled it. He did not see that the noble lord or his soli-
leagues were prepared to do anything of this sort. He
thought they were going from bad to worse, and that if this
state of tinny continued they would have a state of society
well expressed by the historian, " No arts, no letters, se
society, the life of man nasty, brutish, and short."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER begged Is
recall the Grades of the house to that whisk had bean
eldest hat eight of, viz. the proposal on the amosamat ef
the Mn. member for Stroud. Much had bees raid of*,
renitelde eapsmiltare incurred by the employment ef the
pore. Oartaisly he mold sot say that the more moat
experieses Otte earentry had at ell controverted the portion
whisk his hed Mind bed oessistently and ably argued.
What the sable herd was sap eashed with not having per-
severed in the abeam of employment on waste lands, it
showed be remembered that his noble friend had abandoned
the scheme width was net well received by the house.
Let it be ressemberell when the hon. gentleman op-
p sits said that nothing bad been done towards
giving linelleysient to the pimple of Ireland, that
a portion of tie money so to be wiled was diverted to
another dam by anuses to psegAsten to enable them
to favor **Oda stela. One Mlles sad a bed bed
been voted he thee purpose. That ma had bean
seed, sad in that respect be thought employment hid bier
given la a most healthy and wholesome manner, and not open
to any of the olneetions which had been urged against em-
ployment, but which tended to create a wholesome relation
between the landlord and the labourer. The first amend-
ment of his noble friend had not been referred to except
by the hon. baronet the member for Radnorshire.
The proposal was that there should be security on the
land, and that power should be taken to resell the
land to re-pay the portion of rate which might
be due. He understood it to have been proposed that when
arrears of any amount were due from the land in Ireland,
then it might be possible to seU the land to pay
off the wean ; but from the mode proposed by
his hon. friend behind him (Mr. P. Scope), it would
appear bow impracticable that was. He must be permitted
to say a word or two on the propriety tithe grant of 60,0006.
because a considerable portion of the argument which had
been addressed to the house to night had no reference to the
amenelmeat of the noble lord, but was against the grant to
which the house bad acceded on a former occasion ; and,
although he did not deny the propriety of hon. gentlemen
arguing the question, he had hoped that when it had
been decided two or three nights ago they should not
have to re-argue it. The hon. member for Radnorshire
had acknowledged that the need of some assistance was
proved beyond all possibility of doubt; and yet what was
the condition la which the boa. gentleman would leave the
question, as to the grant out of the consolidated fond ? He
was against taking from the tax payer of this country any
money for such a purpose; he was against taking aid from
other parts of Ireland; he was against recovering from local
districts for the support of local destitution, beyond attempt-
ing to obtain the relief from the local resources of the eon-
, pier of the land. If they denied this vote they were voting
ay or no on the Varian of the preservation of human Hie.
Mr. MONSELL explained that what he proposed was •
general rate allover Ireland for emigration purposes.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said,
that the hes. member's explanation only dimi-
nished the force of the argument which he (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) was using. He again
asked that honourable member did he believe that any
' rate in aid from the whole people of Ireland was sufficient
efL easily to assist the distressed union? (Hear.) Did he
la fact believe that from any source except the measure now
proposed by government means could be found for preserving
life in the Wed of Ireland? (Hear, hear.) If the bon. mem-
ber did so believe, let him oppose the grant, but if he did '
not, then In ammoa iniamity he was bound to support it.
The hen. member Eathorthire had said that the grant
was may proposed to boWter up the poor law in those
disables, and added that then was nothing extraordinary
in the slate of the watts districts. Why, of all the extra-
irdtirms ever mad; that was certainly the wet
. (Hear, be r.) He (the Chu nsello of the
Endorse) shaved that in the whets sivilbed world such a
state oldies bad soar bade elldtd, as the disproportion
at present perellieg is the rotas M*l*l of Ireland be.
tweets the ism* eT re pepsleeis sad the mane misting
for their sopped. That was the justification
of the gouramest fir the extraordinary course they were
sew propedag. He admitted that it was against principle,
but it was an ereptiond ease. He did sot propos it to
:Vthe poor law he preposed it as an exceptional ease,
ertliodeg it to be the-only means of saving Musa* lib
in certain Moir of Ireland. (Hoar, hear.) The boa.
iambs for midellassic took a Minuet view of the ad.
That boa. member Modestly mid that he was
'paring life braise distriels. He amid that he did St:
the nor of grate, mad that sitheugh :Fr be tor that
lad year the lives of *O,OOO bad been pop
serer dill it might have boos ma bettor if their cms-
osier, had been pat am end to, and they had then
allowed to die on the roodethe as they had doe to the pro-
'dm year. His his. friend bed added that his wee the
statedaaalthe view of the ratio. (Hoar, hear.) If the
home speed with his hes. Mead let them oho the vote.
They hod bend smith of somprokonfive statesmanlike
views, sal issuunsa WI ben blood for net haviag
odors& ea* vier. Thank God they lad mot
taken riot stateesmalike view of the ratios. (Cowisa
Let ggalleriesonly refer to documents which had beanr l
belt the here, let them read what wee stated of the
Mass ries led Leedom read the reports cdperiew
lowan sea (Hear, hew, lese.) It
they did set with a sopedtion of the sense et
lad year he WWI vim the hems to adopt the oily mein
that bad been thus& ediellad last year. (Hear, kw.)
The geedmoded hal wpm* Me vote, believing
that as ear somas odd be h ofead aver=
4L:
use and pat In pro/slag it they
*dr gaspage God and the world; sad if the how
roamed it, they (the goverameht) would be oda* that
they bed dons their duty, leads. ors die not=
the fearful regreseibAby ef what he
would be the. Inseams result of their ohs* (C )
Mr. OSBORNE, is szylasatios, denied that he had said
that it would be better to It the peopio wish. What he
said was, that it would he math Wier they died at sae;
thea be kept ado matil Saturda thinight, the time up to
whisk the past would egret thus.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER MI taken
down the hoe masber's words. He mid, Is Min pate
are of se use; it would be bolter if thde Ole weeWe)
Clegtash were pat anmid to, then that *V MWd
agetheal by poliameatary wad."
Mr. DISPAILL—I am glad that the Chandler of the
Eudora has roalbcd the attend= et the loos Ie the
rupee portly before it The wroth= of the has.
ambit In dins* le, that if does advisee. be made, it