The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-03 00:00:00

THE, EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 3, 1149.

gisquireesimat hem the right hoe gentlegiag, ma
cos beat atom is Ch.ncery may amount for it. 1
O see what may be predated by the
dies the sight bon. gestlesen sugened.
with elleidorable decitien. He loss cot the Gordian g
gra phase, under all circumvents". That.
beg, ilea says. " I will." ender arcumstaars which
b, ,aoteels" I will take those properties sad give them a ,
=TUT i:Z1.11.55:6:1. Us: =ere who sPektes,
ariatight)—alladid to the drat of a Removal registry is
indents' enatria, snd what be stated was v. ry careen.
The effect el a newel registry in Preto and Belgian, sad
Ober 1111111atrille where it °blase. is, that it adds very
mash to the value of lass. I heard it stated ttat
It sided se nous of aloe yens' parolees.
As Hoe. Kenn : Net so meek.
Er. DISRAELI centlawd ; At all assts, it aided
,me years' peer Well, new, what is the
shim of the riolit hen. gentleman ? He says--" fiteperdi
an the hide st Osnaseght, sad sell them wider a midis,
wpm title," whin km the ems sheet ma pascal re-
. We will all than, lint et all, to pay the state
t .as shish it km adenoma, se in whisk the property 4
bighted, and thanwe will head ever the amain oe the
cx,ribtto the pennant." That is to say, property in
is to be mid under greet simulator. (Hear.)
The Manor ef it is le haw the swank Bat whet will
the right hew. Isatiemea de for the aerator Is Ul-
an, Leaner se Mannbrl Dees he sesta te
that the Iseited, the weer end ear, is to be ender
a disawaten is the masket with the lesprovidest, with the
Wawa% with the parister whe has nos den kis duty to
Ids hotly, le sorday, te to the wintry t (Hew, hear.)
Is the same in Commaskt, in ansequene et the itches of
the peoprietwr, to sell fee a gnaw sem than se estate in
Lasater ce Maine ? se is a mos to to Ad by a leery's—
,' Yea have been a prides, men.pner tide se the wheats
a wiry his title, bat thew is a wratehea, dna*** fellow 12
Onanankt, whose property awareslisessatesy tide, red year
psepsusy is isstrayed" ? (dear.) -The right ass. gealetwan
krilly propose a plan that meld Wasik the umbels
landlord of C.onsuebt at the spew of the ether peonage.
I meld like that te he ems . (Hew.) Welt, thee, I
egress Übe phatena system of the right he.. goaderhea.
Imam I tabik is tannin I the isetiostra ef kb
been, without the plentatien. is would be se.
nary • and I earn eia perlisatentary title, banes I !void
hte be aqui. (Haar, boar.) Hi, the right hen. pads.
MS Ms also men dwelit is kbrxpotieien of his views
of Li k affne—he has meek • dwelt an this import
sat abject. He sari se Ivelasel is sow plan.
the solvent gewaster h the Wan of -the lasolvest
peeprieten the: I quite agree with the , right her.
neatlemen hear.) le is whet my friends have
bets eadleanuirog en easy legialmate COMM& to impress
as the hone an the c wary.. But what surprises M h,
that the right hen. gentlamee has est arrived at the rash
we have waved at—that the jest, pain, legithaate remedy
is a adman of the taxing ern (Hear,
orhte:;;Li The
on eight h. gestlemas may my he is sot rr for
the peer law, bet lam speaking a the spirit the se sad
gear eatmeisn. Bet whaler/ nemesia" at not he *Geld
bent remembered that that law was introduced before he
posed hie repeal of the earn laws. (Hear. heir.) What
may be the sonseinenee of it I dare sot predict, bet I feel
It may yet predate sea a state of searty in Ireland as will
shake this empire to its fosadation. (Hear hear.) Eat
eight hen. gentlemen has with womiderehle effect +anima-
veered to show bow imperfectly me Ulna the dada of the
peeprietore of the soil ia Irelud, sad how slightly are cod
the natal advantages with which Providence has lined
that 'vestry, and the better to elucidate kis views es the
sehate he reeds to us a letter boa a Lancashire man,
are Nee in whisk, however. the right ton. Raidessan,
lung discreet. d.d not dwell epee—nasouly, that
in
which the writer r. (erred to improvements he bad been
obliged to stop because the state a the law resdersd them
ruinous. As fa u I would lows from the right hoe. teati-
mes the other night, h• not give up the par
law. understood him to say wog men go back to
the principle of 1838 and that the workhouse meat
be stringently maintained; and yet I heard his talk of em.
ployinp papas on the public roads. Now I can of nun.
dile these two °piano, sad should like to me that {taut
illustrated. H a labour rate is to be denounced, and . I think
it ought to be, as the very last thing we ought to have
recourse to, are we neverthelese to envoy anion on the
public road. ? I believe that loth the south and west of
Inked acs already over-toned, and if a, there would be
to suessity for labour thus directed. I have ventured to
give the twee why I oppose the mowers of the govern-
Mat, while I not heard a 'Dialog, of that government
maintain that the IMIAUTO is itself a good one. I have
an expressed ay opinion of the alum of the right hoe.
begat, as everything that falls from him is worthy ea
being considered. Indeed I shall be glad when he favours
to with his third speech on the subject, for I think that
each sainding Winos of his plan will be re-
vised and corrected. Ile he had not only great
experirees of public tit., but of based in particular. He
appears to me to have abstracted the alien/nee of all the
projects which, when Secretary for Leland, he ftuad la the
pigeon holes of his titles. He ingestions appear to me to
naivete public attention but not te misty public ateessity.
Bat I value them because I must ease the et of a
sea who so @treacly lbasisillel public to l and who
beide so kith a place is this bane.. Leh epee sack
=stsad upon this discanise a atheist wean that the
is
gem by when say moss waextral, that Wan is to
los governed on the principle ef (enemy. (Hear,
bear.) That is romethiag .at, end remain after
swans acesion have hese learn made that In detail which
tees apposed in wholesale. Whenever it Is a question
whether the minister can se nun earry a certain proposi-
tivo, I find a deputation of Ink menthol ring to Dowsing-
nest to the subject of Irish affrays. (A laugh.)
lam told that another railway h pin to be supported so
that the eatelegat sty noble frisad repesed for the adoption
Otis 'oversewn' is almost complete. Another (smile. and
all his reposition will be surfed into effect. (" Hear,
hear," Ueda laugh.) Having opposed the proposal of the
t, and witiched the plan of the right hon. baronet,
may bulessasked if I am not she going to be a painter of my
oars views. Well, In adverse times, when you were the
diesipies of political entomy, we came forward and told you
that the interfamat of the state was neeessen. I oppose
may proposition that goes to say that bonen England and
Ireland there is ny difference. I agree with the hoe. and
horsed anaemia. the mamba foe the University of Dublin,
that the need of Ireland is as imperial need. (Hear, hear.)
As to the ace before sit, I agree, se a matter of policy and
wham, not of law or right, with the right hoe. baronet the
umber for Tamworth, that ids highly wise that Ireland
shield at this moment show to &shad that ohs is ready to
make every earths she as be annerl le make ; but I con-
rider Unitise exertion which see Mesa advise her to none
would be be MOM valuable than this sale Is aid, which will
prove most indequate, an if in thadelthelw( fattlirittiati;
ans. (lieu, hear.) What they rsesmassa is an
tax. lam quite prepared to slapped ay ha. friend the
member for if he will beat forward the scheme at
which he glassed a few evenings sin I know not what his
*Let plan may be, but I would sepport es tame tax for
Inlaid brans it would terminate this injustice to land
Bat my kiss of an income tax for Ireland is, that it should
Whet all incomes detived frost Haan, whether nceived
ha linhn or elsewhere. (Hoar, hear) TIM would create
a eontable fund which might be
Theoirsid into the Es-
tenser, sad thanes distributed on active labour. It
would heist seder the impost 6, ,0001. a lac terty
la Ireland that does not new fairly aean to
the necessities of the country. Meettateat meld 'sari-
bate according to their stsanse, and ateritherk meld
Maas the country with a jaetlgsblu aide theit the aid dr
and from the British exchequerwssss heel by thele rien
Tallelifeto. But with seek 11111111011,411 wee and asewspeny
an. for dimisisbiag the area if tannin. By such mess
only ean you give to Inland breading time. When you
lave an income tax is eperatin en It ton
_pow law,
Den well be the Um far the one MOM fanned sad sti.
Relate private atterpries new the senstien ef en Imperial
security. Then I will astempart el linnet The time is
certainly somawheelie& nese" ansemena nun learn to
forget. ( Her, hoar.) I hall the 112.11=asr=tyhote
mus that is anumstasess we
gad that centelation which mate thenthe meet con-
, mange that • saw an is at had. Bat le attain
that end all ear amanita should wash with the patattzhe
mef which we moat geese te deplete. (Hear, hear.)
et be ernitned le eblivion—M mat spa a new as
tear 'ewes. If nee semis it should be that a mushy
lin the United Ehmkas nallan be aseendoryin the scale
efastivel. Ireland "Sant this vay will be like the
old, who with_ a alttie wrestler until
Cbgestireit "this sun, (luting the time that he
was mistendin with an wren, W.ad of a guardian
amen. (Hear ear.)
Lad I. ROVIIILL--Sir. I ahead Viten a•xions
formto
melee swat Se *ae neriblv le lea which s
the apingapingef ear am a
bat
theag:ntientan
who basalt sat dews le , when I ham meet atten-
tively dub( the whole eff hh span, hie enlarged
the Id of Bentein, wed Inds it neetelaii fa ate to enter
late guanine witoneing Re beyond the .tame vas of the
swisitsig. ben I wart us those lager genises, I think
it is astemery, far a sheet time, to oishin the bean with
gems animation el the peen* whin le Win bible ma.
It
t. net, se the hew rains* atiesmuseff le argent it,
the " compeenweles seism" tof gewlientalle he the relief
al the evUe of blink ami dedgial le has a peel scent
annation for the pearelty el that eseatry. It ts •
tespoury mem" le sure SR ante inn an der
whisk !reified is at pawn saillielet, bet which
doss sot pretend to give say ninths se amaprennsive
randy. The has. ganlansa, fan* ethos in this re-
Mct, avowed his objection to the messure, wed stated that
itios of a rats in aid was limpet. Now, I cannot
War= any one could have said it was unjust, Ifwe had
=ln any year, that the tazatioe of Ireland should be
tothat of England. Akan Ireland was not el-
bowed to have resort to our eandes ; white shearw not per-
nun to, trade with the West Inlet or North Amain ;
when even ha trade with this country was fettered like a
Resign trade ; then Weed, it might be right, and it wu
right that the superior amount of taxation should be borne
by England, as she had exclusive privileges, end claimed
the exclusive pciesewien of attain rights for herself. But,
since every restristiat of that kin has been done away, it
appears to me that, so far se jostles is erieserned. than
woad be no ',justice If we proposed that the land tax, that
the senessed taxes, that the duties of excise to lath
Ireland is not now subject, that the imam tax, should Well
sztanded, in principle and is prattler, to Ireland. (Ben,
leer.) But U that be to, it then MON to be only a question
ef expediency whether or se say When taw shall be ea
tended to band ; sad it appeared to us that we were
thin her the lighter berthas rather than the heavier whoa
we proposed that a rate of so more than slzpence in the
pond upon the rated property of Ireland should be imposed
nee that country. Bat if we had proposed such a taxauoa
ee that to which I hare referred we might have proposed that
the proceeds should be applied to the general imperial par-

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of a penmen who ramie 00 or 70 years Igo pare a Lem of eons
alt=itlere a e Uwe. The pirtee who bad the lesei'
distress, tad hi Cadet • portion a/16'1
of the lead erlddt lead liVtued to him. SIM
C -.lia withiattlispeomist again, till the Ope•*
NW of masers was • hdeedated, ' u ' Which frontlet. le
121. es inn wee paid km the lead. A *bole genimenity was
thus formed tar mere nerserves than the lend
scold rapport ea areal • peodaction, and they Bead
in a wretched state, always as the verge of Aisles.
And yet, le kng as the potato flourished, yen hosed hat
Male complaiat, except is statistical retires, and the maple
me eenteat with that sort of lile which was infeteer es
MINK a more civilised people would be contented with. Lot
me give another instance, which has bean already referred to
by the bon. patinae who seconded the amendment. It
relates to the state of BOMA& Wont the year 1634-6. Ow
wiener states that tEI labourers when employed by the
farmers to dig potatoes left some in the (mad dredgaedly,
sad west afterwards by night to dig what they led so left
behind. Another witness ems that the hisses lel last
little employment, and that they lived esi we Mal a
day. One of them Mated that he had WNW welted'
from six o'clock in the morning to six Obeli la the even-
ing without • meal at ell. Another witness says it is •
coostant thing for labourers to work en ems sisal a day ter
eight or tea days eseneentively. Whet they elli their only
sensed of potatoes in the afternoon of ems hey, any mat
1111 their wives brought them food ;111 the gene hour the
Affiewiag day. Amami wham sap that *bey giantism
Middy MO fat* the nermadeg embalhklemegmeden in Mel
Imeweele of woke, end vim is work
if menrwl main. This, dir,lierhaeliC4the preemies. times of
Inilimill. (Hear.) This is whet esenned fa Ballina. sad
In ether plasm of a Miler !did, when Indeed was sup-
V" MD flottifffrowse wed Ise merginint was made.
letige4minhoes kW lemon leffieheense,—if people
I.
this Main heel hew hit allegeffieer without any
Mew Meths put cep the state, what would have
'lea She ease elbgesettkidldled, and M the people living
hi Oh state? I heart it said that the aid we have
ghee list by the of the state—and after by the
ppesheee law lies deeneralhed theta. Demoralised them, indeed li
A/Nehie. (Hose hear.) Admirable eel
des ping dams, who wished to pass ea abs other side of OD
wOA like no metier. (Hear, hem.) . But It
MK met -him netimidiess pergis would met iodised.
bats been deMeelleadolny weeddlithe been dead. (Hour, .
Wm.) HOW/ 414 err relieve Mesa ? Is the fleet inseam*
we May here been lavish and ill-tentshed, but it wee
C
=a
• keit Sim statif,*si
• If
iln taatteeta Iprito
neasco goonhav witheriftudthat '
Ile mmegles,"lsl:lll24 troald have been proposed that Ireland'
died& supple* lakiwn poor and her own destitution ; bat,
la the Wit place, Inearliament auctioned the continuance
'et dish fetid nob mould net say that the resources
me wginlied ley"rthie state would not lave been
Imisky applied end that great Owe resold nor have
taken place Ia tie adatinishatiou of rtllsf. What then did
we do? We proposed that relief should be gives by ea ex-
tend.= of the poor law. Now with regard to the poor law,
it mast be considered that it is a law not rely • law of bu.
he tire Ishii of relief, but also • lew of police fur the
el:iskelemeselty. (Hear.) Those who have most considered
wprlnelple of s4oor law end who have bad to administer
lief late -pars, are Of whiles that the security of England
Ihs ber,ii= mush founded es the provision that no
have a eight to wader' and beg, but that
ter. to apply for relief, he should, on giving
work, emelve relief. If that is the ease in Englind we have
• right to expect that it will in time work the same effect
in Ireland. Every person who knows anything of Ireland
complains of the number of beggen and marauders who
seas from the purlieus of the towns to steal sad destroy pro.
perty. A poor law sufficiently striageat for the purpose
mum in a great degree temody the evil. But we
are told that the extended poor law of 1847 should not hers
been enacted, and that at all events we ought to go back to the
principe of the law of 18318. It has been my torture to have
introduced both these laws • and, had it not been for the
nitwit, o' the loss of the potato crop, I confer' 'braid sot be
disposed to introduce the extended poor law of 1847. (Hear.)
I believe that relief in the workhouse, but Le that calamity,
would have bees sufficient. Bat you eon by no sudden step
replace yourselves in the position in which you stood then.
(Hear, hear.) It Le it the evidence taken before the commit-
tee now sitting on this subject that 360,000 persons,
not Wangles to the able-bodied, but to the in-
ane poor were receiving relief, in January last, under
the print:iota of the pelmet poor law. It would be
impeesible to relieve thesis addition to near 200,000 persons
who are now relieved in the workhouse. I believe no person
will say whatever opinion may exist with regard to the able
binned, that relief ghoul' be withdrawn from these 360,000
Meet poor of Ireland. (Hear.) If this has been their
atultbee in 1 'wary, in the month of July they would be far
mere aumetoue. It appears to me impossible either to afford
workhouse amomodation for this vest number of persons, or
so low as the country rema;ns in its present prostrate mate,
to rear relief to those persons. Ido think, supposing the
ematry to be able to aftod more work and employment for
the people is general, that it might be powitide in • great
many of the anima to restri4 relief to the workhouses, but
still is many parts of the country I believe it would be found
impossible. The right hon. gentleman (Sir It, Peel) said
that he emaidered the workhouse the best test. I rather under-
stood him to say that he would go bees to that test, but I did
not understand him to mean that he would go back to it sod-
deal y. (" Hear, hear," from Sir it. Peel.) But be said
that he would employ the people in making roods or simi-
lar works of that desetiptioa. That was to me to be at
Variance with what litlrefd, and said wisely—namely, that
the workhouse was the tears test of destitution. (Hear, hear.)
The whole theory ore which the pre sent poor, law is
founded is, that no person shall have a right to
relief but them who are utterly destitute and
eannot obtain food . or. the means of livelihood,
in any other way. If you me tell m n that there is a public
body who will give them work, they will prefer working
under that public body than under • private individual
(Hear.) But no public body, no guardian of the poor, no
relieving officers, no inspectors, will use half the vigilance,
1 half the care, that • pnvate individual will who employs
labourers ea his property working for wages, and who hes
therefore, • direct interest in seeing tbat the work for whicli
he pays these wages is properly executed. (Hear, hear.)
With regard, therefore, to that plan for au alteration of the
poor law, I de not see how any scheme of the sort can be
adopted. The hon. patina= who had Just sat down spoke
M improvements which had been made in the eultivation of
laud, in consequence of which a higher rate had been im-
posed upon the persons whose improved their property than
tome who made no improvements. (Hear, Item.'
-..— .. - evidetten, is

poem of the Coiled Kiitgdons. What we have:i dgeed is,
the tax we ere now diemosiag_ shalt be fir
tipreue to the Teas( of the sufferie_g pier war 'M.
, Miami AMU. (liter, liar.) _ AIM if it weed be jest it
meth a tax for imperie'peeposes, that judos b MS'
iittstrit lees wen we propose that its preemie sisrald lie
wiled to Irish sad net to Emilia or Ike& par-
=ea. (Hear, bear.) Now, sir, if there is ashy tenth in this
telt, is be es tansies of the propositioa is aspersed,
I geseare that oar pupped as be defaided. Bat the hon.
has mid that this Is • tax which mat be Wade-
Neither oa that bead do I agree with him ; I desk
E.
.ast grounds forageter: the costrary. Take
width be km as likely to be nisei,
Tam bee been 60,0001. already voted by this
bow; math *see will be 360,0001. in the coarse of the
warts be appllsi to the Wide the dierem is Ireland. In
ille in... ad bit yam about 380,0001. wan applied to die
obis of babel; Ash _a' part et that ram wag applied se-
eseibg tote abedblie views of the British Asecciatioe,
total =seri jraasels lag purposes of tee lead,
ofillile asi teatime—there being
heel"'' the as lbe stir of tibr: lo one
al *a Pto* this sot be
Alma bats newest when the of relief
ethos from the Imperial freeway. I submit, thire•
foe, that the uses of 350.0001. will be se " sum
simpered with that which was las be I:a. _ the
M. gettles en says the ibis A mi immobile of a
, Mx, begone it falls eadadY gra Imil="7-ia /le'
of those who an psealledy ; that /SP:Turden upon ou.dassoed cos Me, Z
en it Atha,
isiWor sans. With egged to that subject, I
have Mead that it sjpeeesi to as that, as epee
were MSS "tile relief el the peer, sad this sum was W-
ooded ter the relief of the rem, it would be easier and
lighter for Ireland to collet Mrum by rate, ea as to form
part et the meting rats. Bat if dims who repel:seat
Ireland shall think that a lax epos property sad th-
eme mesa be a fairer Made, sad 14 While they are
iowillag to tthe out Poefelitsest. they should es
willing sod ready to wept the prepedden of an items
and Fogerty tax,
.emi thin tbe Mad timid this be
aim dee Amori st sweimie“filla __seellplhe hemetimagiven
sta
that there will be Seeish ineildessme earthen leafage se
as Mesa prevent the mimeos 'fait brief loped width
dada seed to bemire listable to de wishes erthe
of babied. (
,ileisr, bear," aad laighter.)l=
Ivll2o6sysiselit titanftiiity :es 'Neatest tar
red
--ad, having now, tor sou Re. contributed lar:ely to
die ether of Irish dietrem, bared hirelf should come foi-
-1 wend with her fair contribotios,-sot to bear the buries
eei Pad aaairtlY, bat to take her part la ON relief of the
illAmo which bebop to the ishabitaats at bet own std.
( , bear.) And, Ist me awn, it is asking to the
Assam to urge, as some gentlemen have done afforest die-
t imildelea, mod in ship diseassioa, that the nosey which was
moldbated from the . impede' Exchaquer, sad fee
width the people of the United Kingdom are
dew payieg hawed, was ill•distributed sad lavishly
,bierootred. That, Hy** choose, may be a done @sliest the
teustee'L• t ; it might even acute a cheep aided al
lease of Commas ; bat, so far u the pee* .1 Geed
Wrath are concerned, their reedineu to contribute is the
um, their payment is the same, supposing the ellerier
tion that was made was set a wise one, as if it had bed
the went and the re lief the best that could be alfeead.'
-Therefore the pi/dealer application osier the itaid AA
and the Pa b& Weeks Aet really has nothing to. de
with the quids& of the large exertions made by Ores*
Britain for this purpose. (Hear, hear.) I am not wil-
lin to enter fut ate this graben of the rate in aid,
although it is the immediate salami. of the debate, because
questions ea and Imre, and so such more important
gm a Paildedd IMICS la the posed for two years
Aram histh hie de &Mn
Sand la the mune ~.f this dismission ; sad
we ham beard heat the right hon. gentleman the issuebsr
is, Ti....vail hem my boa. (head the member for Mar
ofeeseer, soil bunt the be. gentleman who has jest widows,
=ofiempasag fiend upon greet questions affecting
thee et bead Sir, in the fire place, with resod
dile medest dew government, the hoe. member for Mere
bee wegeosch us, gentlindeed, .en very decidedly,
bar sat biviag some forward, In the coarse of the peeves
seas, with some oomprebenin measures for the
lithe sat al Ireland. Now, sir, so far as I asti=
any blame personally, lam willing to take that blame to
aged& tram bevies, some yens ao, used phrases of that
bow% using therm I mast tier coshes, with a view rates'
M peaked gad religious grievances, than to those guides
wbbh ban sinesecapied the attention of the legislates
8010 dr. se far as the conduct of the gensteimeat. la tlisi,
Moot sad past session of parliament is althalitedifa tibuo.o secbelieve that the blame which the hoe mealier fur
ter throws upon us is jgetly louvred. Indeed, I.
.theiewhat wonder that a gentleman with hie &pinkies
-.opinions which I think just—with regard to the
Fences of legislation and of the government, should'
have seemed to come forward mad ask the government of
this emery for more measure—far moms specific, by whLA
the as of gemeratioas were to be cured, and prosperity was
M be ems, not returning or elides by slow degrees, but ap-
==e, as the remelt of pultamentary wisdom sad
sagacity. (Hese, hear.) For my part, sir,
agnate to a phrase on a somewhat different subject, to '
which do he. gsatieniaa ohs basjest sat down alluded—l
2 IrtitseDillnitnie.say *sigma gouty of those subjects by a
twaseiglei of thee phiesse—Laisomfaire, of which
I Skink soma* abed has brie made, both by the advocates
mil the emismsate et that slim, A very great and vet
y
shis abase of Frame laid dem cabl e rules, by which he
asested that all looms should be made of a eaten tire, that
they should be made accordiag to • certain pattern, and that
the web should never exceed certain dimensions. He them
weal ea, having established kis manufactory by this
arbitrary principle, to forbid the manufactures el
other countries from coning in to compete with thus
he had established, and the Arcot consequence was, as might
be expected, that the enamels of France suffered, and thee
who bad cultivated thus vineyards complained loudly that
they could now no longer export the woes of France, es
there was no longer an demand for them in consequence el.
the exclude& of the manufactures of foreign countries. It
we then that Colbert, having asked • merchant what he I
should do, that nierchar t, with great judos and great
sagacity, said—" Laissi a faire, et asses prier"—" Do not
interfere with manufactereas, me to the am and mode of
their nunafeetures; do tot interfere with the entrance of
.beeign lowans, but let them compete with your own menu-
features.' That, sir, is the origin of the saying; and that,
I think, is a yeomen with regard to many of there subjects,
not of the "slue of that maxim, but of the superior wisdom
of many met of common sense to the devices sad
schemes even of • senator like Culbert, gifted
with gnat talent and indefatigable industry, and
being, in his power the whole commercial policy
et France. On a former °maims in speaking of Ireland, I
alluded to the condition of England and Scotland at two
different periods of their history ; and I said I thought that
Ireland was now entering upon a change od a limiter kind.
With respect to Berland, I quoted from a work of Sir The
mos Mere, la which he described what would now be called
ethelisse; he described families turned out of their cottages,
doh hewn pulled down, and the poor people drivea into
the wide world to seek a refege where they could-from the
misery mimed by these extensive evictions. What was ass
with rentset to Shit matter ? What was dose with regard
to the gemeel policy of Bellied, in the ridge of a wise min-
gles, wbeenassiled to the throne sees of er the time when
Sir Thomas awe digerasi two sasses ? Did Baas*
seed bar praises peeped MIN saute oy which they OS&
edged the projerig- et Weal sad the prosperity of Bs
&
hal wenn be smug be • over, by their directions,
Ma a soasotomo o 1 Ibik legislative views ? Os.
of this peel asesares of administration was that.
with the esiedly, almost with the barbarism of
the Hwy .penlibei all malefactors, and rettasedi
' the led aMN of peed and order. Having does
ittleiV paned sessades by which the infirm sad
Pit should be relieved.. and the able-bodied and
be set to work Amp yet these measures came
litillelCm ere than what tbo has. nienessr for Manchester
has allsisi to as " the mete vulgar arts of gownement," ea
which le trusted that sae Vevarameut sod the Lord Lieu-
tenant of Inland would not fay.—seately, more form. And
yet, with a policy Mewled apes sionsard ot that bind, Bar
lead rose to a higli Medea adds the powers of Eger I
she sent iseth moo of ezteusedissey espedty to thinned*
mesa, sad to visit the most amuse dares ; shoorodeled
no al tie gado of Shakopows, or Bow" sod *Pal
awl she rase to ao very lug time to be • cousin width,, by
its ceder, sad at die mate dug, by OM freedam. was
superior to the ether ountrise et oasoope ; yet I
was not in coesequose of any seeial: sheets that re-
lief was so give, bat Mosier that then should not be the
disturbasee to prowl-41st *me should sat be tbses
smelts titbit the poem white linearly prevailed. alai
that menmight In earthy mums their owa eveseelesA, aid
obtain the frith of their own Wham sad lothastry. (Hem.)
Bat waiver Dame may be the peeper who, whatever laws
may be peeled from ties to doe there is uothiagna
sovietised so esseatid, there le staking so u
as to enable men to feel that they are liveg in security. OM
the fruits of their iadaery will be seesred Se Ikea, sad that 1
the road is open to every adlastios is the date. (Hest,
hear.) Sash was die ease thßegland Atm that time. Let
MS now ge for a tow siessah to the owe at Bootlace. Re-
ligious pengoadre bad elesealed, almost destroyed, that
country is the reign of Charlet 11. After the nvandea
laws were passed width, without ma .
_rclie; Si the
stneountry being Maly peopled) iledeed
ilog. roamed to 01141611100 those whe hod eshissiSlZ
=life thesegboat that dewy, sad said skim
sad we el hoprodamet to the NS* at
lame. By sea duple waderes. a the assessed ism
filer IS years, &elide preeentei a May differed opal
--leek and industry fitedassi—ogrisaltare, which was
almost mainly neglected, wee gem is may valleyto prodedii
all de fruits of indastry, salad oswiery hope that provost
whisk die had ever dose eaddeseil—,piedaelv smith with
less asses at her disponi to bag so tban mound. This
a nate of things—diesimar if yes will—bat not totally
from that of Inlaid .new. These ware changes
dotted by great men—by Basso sad Burghley, by Somers
aid Shrewsbury, and the other wise statesmen who
lived in those times. They did net rely on any
wham Shish was at ode so
true
peesperity to
$ country. They adopted the true and natural
suns of lerthlation—not mem by which men should be
and sad directed how they add make themselves wealthy
lei peewee but mese by was* security being given
te lbem. ad; ease*, 111101 Owed to take their own
arm • (Hear, hear.) I new and to what the state of
bellsoi was a few yeses age. Lea let me observe, in the
Sat Ode, that in all the speed= I have beard, and seed-
s* fa the three speeches to which I have !ileitis I think ifl
be been too much seemed that it weed be is the poem of
say government or any parliament, however wits 111111 Ile
dosed, to produce changes which after aliens' Mask de
5 :ma the character and conduct of the people tfeet„,l
*. what has been the system in I island heretellsediam4
, in the course of this debate, bus given ea
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of gentians relating to lead lathe west of Ireland. (Hear )
It appeases' w that eneha eammiehm mutt be ens of two
Mats: it must either havevempedsory powers, or it mess be
airily oft witestary sabers.. (Hear, Mu.) Of compul-
sory run the rigid boa. putismanzve us en instance in
the plus with Respect, to the entation of Ulster In
then lenstermdes 1. But there is obvious differeoce—
sad the ohjection is as obvious that I think the sight him.
gentleman mut have some answer to it—between teat c- se
and the present—la that cam the lead was at your disposed,
and the people were not upon it; whereas. in the present
ease, the land is not at your disposal, and the people are
.'assn. (Hear, hear.) Wall then, sir, it appellee to me that
be blamable for you to use the powers which IMO
given is the times of Jame. I. to the eatantiesio: ers whom he
appoiated —the lands having been then forfeited to the
crown, and the am. having a full right to divas. of them.
Tea meld not possibly say that any a us individual has so
mimed his powers as • proprietor that his lead should for
thee mesa be bibbed to the state. To give any commission
is the present day would. I imagine, be quite
iapweie. (Hear, hear.) Though the plans which I pro-
posed three years ago, is ooe which itmi nt be advisable to
'deft, yet you had time the right kuadatlon. I prepaid
that the lands to be taken should be of a certain value, none
althea of less value than 2.. 6d. an acre ; and that the
should be sold or let for long lessee to pereoes who would
brag eapitsl to cultivate them. There , was laud
of which you bed some definidoo, and upon wltiels
there were no peg* to be maintained. It appears to
tea that by the pleo-saggested you would get involved in the
pesmest 'apposing the State to madam these
Web. with all thewesetgagee upon them, you have is the
lett plass M sensider whether the lends be not mertgard
lim mem %Magni, mdse. You might have to pay off mon-
Mugu width the atortgagem themselves had no hope what-
eiteZg. With -raped to the people, you would
dither dui yen had to pay very extensive poor rates,
or te the mesas of eaugraticn. Now, con-
side ring the extent of Comeliest, cad the annther of
ith.lMPle =sume 100 content to be pet, by
eg, • , in possurfaa et sash • .wet , extant
eft madry. Gad to make the Beale easpeasible . for the
willare It gamy hundreds otthememileat pee*? I own
thee apron to am le
theM whithlhostate can-
' with or lathed with ey. abeetath.- (Hew,
I ondetreemed. from ancelbe pool et the
• 'a mast that his inemetimeres to
theamlbosta he the puthase of land. between the
MAIM )sealamea (Hear, hear) Now, W.that he.
rPeellegiral k Mum Wme that the appotatmeet ed the
wola ilese is very great disappointment. It
that Misk a plan se this mitehl be stated la In-
hibit Masai radii wary groat hops*, without creadng an
eametstisa of seer wey great results. - (Hear, bear.) If
Misk a emandesisa mese to go to individuals sad ask them
W sell, and were to combat the contrast for sale to
sense petecu wmleg to peveham it is obvious that
I Wet intsrfseeses would only lead la may instances to a
Ware of the negotiation. I am afraid that au the whole
very Viet dieeppointment would emu. Both appear to me
who the ditheakies which surround that part of the project.
That the rigid boa. gentleman touchedsupen another subject
nearly connected with that to which 1 have just referred : a
'abject upon which the hoe. member tor Manchester has alto
spokes this evening, and with respect to which I think puha-
mat may be able to effect very considerable improvements. I
edger to tame laws which encumber, and in many cum pre-
WM, the transmission of property. This is a question in
ethation to which justice must be dealt cut to all parties con-
nitraed—(bear, hear)—it is impossible to enter upon
ge . with any determinatioa other than to allow
that every person who has just rights should
have his rights respected. For bateau you mkht find that
a person (the case is not a very difficult or cemMoated one)
had left hit land to his eldest son, end, bilker issue hem
that son, to the second son. The elder sea may have lived
for many years ; the seeoad may have died, sad his sou may
have gene, one to India, andmother to North Ameba.
ethithe • tided may have entered the navy, and be in abOdalti
mrt, of the globe. The of the estate may be an eY
man who, for the sake o an annuity, is quite willing to give
up his title ; but you could not take that title and cause it
to be transmitted to any one else, until the
claims of those who would la • few yews succeed
had been considered and adjusted. However the Court at
of Mammy. may be bud to be • court which is at saes
very expensive and very dilatory, such an object could not
be effected without a great deal of trothle and delay, The
right hoe. gentleman premised, Indeed, to give a power of
Ir• but I doubt whether under such an arrangement
e 'Would be much move expedition or meth less cost then
is the case of proceediags In the Court of Chancery. (Hear.
Mar.) With regard, hesvever, to the Court of Chancery if-
nth I eertaialy
property do believe that many of its rules with
respell
ge the sale of , acd the claims and rights of
minder-men, are too anxiously framed with a view of
aMg care that the remote heirs shall aot
Waved ; and I think out:amnia justice might
hi dome by means of a lose costly and dile:ory
Wootes. I heard with great pleasure what the right
Wm gentleman said on that head, and I do hope. we
etell be able to amend the act which was passed last mason.
110 our mtheilte the evil in question my belief is that it is
aet the evil while Is peculiarly pressing at present. When I
am told that the set of last session has tailed, and has not
Yam need, I smut say that it is not for want of land reedy for
ale that the at hes not been used. (Hear, hear.) On the
sultrily, I belie,. that it is because thete ere so many lands
kr tale with whisk the proprietors would be glad to part,
add which midi fens a hafte.pweltate-thint ibeseliscum-
hewed estates, that there has been so little deemed for the
estates which same wader the operation of the set. (Hear.)
I think in the bet plass, with reference to the poor law and
to the law. conneeted with it, that our object is to make these
estate. a good purchase for persons with capital. (Hear,
hear.) I trust that the present state of things is passing
away. When the condition of Ireland is improved, and
when we have amended the poor-law there, I trust we shall
see the banger of encumbered estates, se well as other
estates which need it, proceeding, so that new capi-
tal and new energy may be applied to the eel-
dewiest of the sod, always tskirg care that the
process is eoaducted with due regard to the rights of pro
pesey—(hear, bear) ; for let it be borne in mind, that if in
any way we violate the rights of property, so far from in-
ducing purchasers to come forward, we shall discourage
them, shim they will staturally coasider that the injustice
which made way for them will, in their turn, operate
against themselves. (Hear, hear.) The hou. mi ether for
Bathinghanabbe alluded to the proposal which government
is about to make for assistance to one of the Tawas s in
Island, and congratulated himself that the plan which he
, of as havine been brought forward by Lord 0. Ben-
.

;10: I.St ie. I adult, • Ilt ;object for , andli =milts o". _
the committee fitting up stairs I stated some woks ago that, Wick, sad which he supported, but which was opposed by
in my opinion, if any improvements wen made for a certain the government, is now being carried out piecemeal by the
nomeer of years no additional rate should be charged on goyernment. I the ban. aestleaaan to recollect, that the
sceount of teem. I also think that there ought to be a original plan for assisting railways in Ireland was a plan
maximum amount of rate, and it will be my duty to submit drawn up by a committee termed under the di-
al the house • proposition to that effect. lam likewise roll= of the Melbourne adanimisteatioe, and was
ready to admit that the electoral division+ and the unions have introduced to this house by Lord Korteth when
in the south and west been too loge ; that the area has secretary for Ireland. (Hoar, hear.) We do certainly pro-
bees too extensive, the population too great ; and that they polo that there should be made advances for railways in Ire-
would be mansged with far more economy, and that land, for arterial drains,* there, and fir purposes of land
more harmony would be secured if there were a reduction. improvement there, similar in their character to the
These an changes which would, I think, be well intoduod loans welsh have already been made, advances not
into the poor-laws. (Hear, hear.l I tome next to a subject exceeding in the. whole one million sterling for the
to which the right boo. gentleman the member for three purposes. a have indicated. We have always
Tamworth has referred, namely, emigration. New 1 been of opinion that it was desirable to give the
confess that although I nide it is very possible aid of the national credit to public works calculated for the
for the poor law guardians, and even for the improvement of Ireland. Such sid is.guite conformable with
am% to motet emigration from some of the overcrowded die- the principle which has been enunciated by former pedia-
tric% when aoro jr no hop of being abbe soon to gad outfi. menu. There are other amendments in relation to the poor
dent erapleyinent for the population; and, although I have law eled/ in relation Ireland Feneralylp on which I will
always reatemptatad the granting of soma amhtaaca of that not touch at this late hoer of the right I feel very
triad m the Feast mug% yes 1 ammo, imagine that the sensibly that nothing I have said—that no plan I have
riche hos. gestismot willies no force, or but little force, in introduced—that no general Plea I may propose to introit's,
the elgesties that by any hige plan of eit%Vnan you would in the Present semi= will satisfy those who ask let MISS
discoaregethe attempts eelailividual pro and row= large and comprehensive ether= by which the evils of be°,
the madam to cabiatio amagratioa, ( cae,h'sse.) New, land are to be remedied all at oace—(hear, hear)—l submit'
let m toodoor what. fur gm mom part, comtitatm the voiaa. to the hones that much of the on is wally beyond the
tary emigration latish hew takes pleee. Members for Ire• retch and scope of government. (Hear, hear.) With re.l
lead are fond el notainting the emigrants as composed *Port togeneral that ral question wbich lies at the , root esII
entirely of farmers arid others whe are amnia/ their capital moth 01 the distress of Ireland, the excessivecultivation'
fom Ireland, and =asland, depriving 4at- county of of the Potato cm =ell patches, sod the enemies
the benefit eel eapitalst But • great portion of this relieneten that propene, who, when landlord, tense; vend 1
emigration Is ondodiededith 'aphid which moos from the lalouterrare all combined to devote the land in small pinches
Vaned States and Comae beleg sent by persons to per- to this matures who,Lcrd Lieuteneet of Ireland, ffeenterl el
sou ie Ireland by their meadow sad Meads, to =able them stets, or M,jaent.at large—can. prevent this =Piked=
crn
to transfer themselves eadeseseie families =rose the Atlaatio. of the I ? tenor, near) I have repeatedly expressed en
Some gentlemen have sheen me retirees from their own =Mho' this bases that the eallsemlznPoo •UM
mereaudle hemess, shoridgelse great number of small tams, erep le Preeertoles—• erofi which ello ' elk. 7
form M. Mid erodes =dm hale been seat over for that '' ''cow he a • single year—a crop Ida=
parrot sad bog siphdocesayo Proving that the sone 00illtitaillo *slowest elms of is a most prejudicial mad
out to the vinous houses to this country— unferhisele rollmop, and I have repeatedly expressed the
omitting ear eked *mesa, namely, that of Baring sunset hSpe that the attention of the peopled Ireland might
M Ism tiers 480,0001. within one be dreedg to som•mbie feed ; but even at the present time,
=in. Here,thes,,i,efit sesimem sea : the gras amount must the Plentlog el the Potato hie been going.= in that count=the to
be at least half a idlliest. Nan we so oomearerS to the house en ice.".. ext.". le that • large portion of
sod popes@ that eash • elm should be granted fee the par- lower deems in Irdaad are wholly @speedos; for weal
poem of encoaraging it wadi, of coarse, be said or fee wee, on the produce of that crop. (Hear, hear.) I
that the vets was a very and muniliesat one ; yet that ask, canes government—can parliament—can any law on
amount is obtained In rametof 11. sad upwards from persons the m
___ ...—cen, any direction of a lord'lieuteutit—
ia America, whom it dont has to encourage voluntary Prevent this ?If such be so, I ask Yon to ages to a memo=
emigration. (Hsu, hear.) Moores, the disposhion which which gives sous breathing time, some respite, some hope to
there hln kelaad to rely upon the state ; lmowiug what those who otherwise may never see an August sun. If you
&aggro= ground you to= upon whenever you give aide, do sot wholly approve of the nuiewore in its present shape,
awe from or en behalf of .the state, I feel no doubt what- girl It et least • second reeding, so es to affirm the principle
ever, were we now se say we have • million or hal a rag. that Ireland must advance some portion of the sums which
Beni to apply to =lteration, a great proportion of ere required for the relief of her cliental. (Hear, hest.)
the sum which waged otherwise be NM is 1849 Above all, I ask you to rely "on rightand sound panel**
would be stopped by suck an aanonnoonsat, and that et government end legialawa. I Mk you net to
we shod/ thus be merely displacing the ono voluatarily belie= that any one scheme, or any one ser
given through =wag as advance on the pert of the state, MO, however =Wein; can relieve these multi
time toplied
(Hear, hear.) If this be so, you would not in fact be in- woes, bat to look rather to the application from
cord= the amount of =enrol emigration. (Hear, hear.) time of remedies i adapted to the °cession, ae .M
Now, in thus speaking, I beg to guard myself against being show that you really feel for Ireland, that you will me as
supposed to deny that there are particular districts in which well es yes can for the benefit of Ireland—that andsel.
soma md; as regards eireirmisa, might he eammtageosey der these two kingdoms as one united kingdom, that
afforded. The van bill which we are now coaddering con- you cannot regard any misfortune that may happen to he-
ms= amongst its-dams, e prcviik, empowering therrrea. land as otherwise than deeply calamitous to England.
soy to atee4 money for Wes urposes of emigration. (Hear, (Cheers.)
hear.) Sir 1 now appos= another subjest—ead Ido so Mr. J. O'CONNELL, amid loud cries of "Divide! di-
with great doubt sad deesee—upoa which the vide I " coved the adjournment of the debate.
right honourable gentleman the member for Tantworth Lord I. BugsELL said he mom only mamma
his twice =premed his opiniocs in this house. I me- to the honourable gentleman's proposition on the
not but recollect the long experience which he_ _
__aim undentandiog that the debate wee to proceed on the
bad with regard to Ireland. I remember hearing • Wawa morrow mein =interrupted by any of the motions stand-
which he made not long after I entered paellament—l think mg on the paper.
in the year 1816—in which he dearibedthe state of Ireland,
faction and the party fights. The speech was a most Sir J.Y. Burnt and Mr. G. TEOMPSON havingthereupon
the respectively waived their notices of motion, the debate was
able and in
one ; and I believe that from that time adjourned until this day.
to the present he has never ceased to give an aexious anon-
NAVIGATION BILL.
Coo to the affain of Ireland, aid to apply his great abilities
to the devising of remedies calculated to ameliorate the con. The report on this bill as amended was ordered to be
dition of the people of that country. I would therefore brought illo =Wednesday.
speak with the utmost respect of arty plan brought forward OUT-DOOR PAUPRS.
by the right hon. gentleman; and when I have soy doubts The Lords' amendments to this bill were agreed to, and
with respect to his plans, I em ready to admit that Mr. Bernd wee ordered to carry it up.
Wee doubts may arise fr-rn some misappreheasiou PUBLIC HEALTH (SCOTLAND).
of, the detail. ' Having said this, dr, I proceed Sir G. GREY obtained leave to bring in a bill for the re-
to consider whether there would be any advantage gelation of the Public Health in Towns in Scotland, which
in having a commission specially for the purpose of disposing having done, the bill was read • Ant time.