The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-09 00:00:00

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S..Eant. & Dover No. 1, 21 3d
Whdebooen and Furneco, 10 d

A tolerable amount of
d'eration in price,.
Cakdonian Pref., 8.. 9d. p
Mob., Nutt., and Boston, 8 d
North Staffordshire, ais. 3d. d
Shrups. Uni o, 13. 9d. d
LEEDS SALES, Avarer 8.
E. Lana:Aire New, 71 d N. Counties, 3/. 13e. ed. el
Great Nurthcrn, 81.18 s. 9d. d I Lanai. k York. Pref.. I4s. fd. p
North British I birds, 38e. 23rd d New. and Serer. New, Zes. Id. p
HULL SALEct, Aurerr 8.
Blackburn, Derwen, and Bolton, I N. British Halres,9/
13/. Is. )d. d Do. Qrs., 41. 19e.
Great Northern, 9 d
YORK SALES. Auer, 8.
Great Northern, 81. le. SI. I York, Nene., and Ser. G.N.E.
N. British thirds, 21 21. Si. Pur., 9
There was rather more- business done in shuns to day,
prices were not BO firm, yet no ecatetial decline was ob-
s.rred.

ALM, &these 9.
ineas WAS done, without any
Shrew. & Biro. (A),-51 d
Do. (B), 710. 3d. 31 d
8. Staffordshire, 95 d

COALS.—HaII past Two.—Bate'stiortley, 13s. 9d. ;
Buddle's West Hartley, 14s. 3d. ; Cm's Hartley, 14s. 3d. ;
Eden Main, 16s. 3,1. ; Hasting's Hartley, 14+. 3d. : Tanfield
l'‘oimr, 145.; Wslls End Bradt')ll's Helton, 175.; Walls End
Haswell, 17s. Gd. ; Wahl Eud Hatton, 17s. 3,1 ; Walls End
li,mblon, 17s ; Walls End Stewart, 176. 31.; Wall's
End Tee, 17L—Ships at market, 71.

PitODUCE.—SINCING-LANE, Hall-past Two.—
The Sugar market is steady, Lut not active. The greater
part of the public sales, consisting of 4,400 bags Manilla,
and 1;200 boxes Havannah, were held for high prices,
and chiefly b .ught in. Refined steads ; standard quality,
535. lid. Cultse retr.sins dull S.altpetre ; R-Raction
9 to 14, z old in pubic sale, at 25a.—Pimento: 700 bap
•old without spirit, 3; to 4, which scarcely supported pre-
vious rater.—Gambier has become a specula ice article, and
sold with spirit, at 9s to 91. 6d., wb: h were high pro-s.—
Rice continues in demand, and wear an u; Ird tend, ,ey,
—Cstma steady.—The public sales o: Tea a progres,:ug
heavily.—ln other articles no material ..'terunm..

Duty paid on Sugar to hut week, to London, Liverpool, cwt.
ilrotol, Hull, Illmt the Clyde 1303,094
To the Sallie period last year

Increase
ourrse nto oe ray 7r 1143 Tv Leer v►au llsa.
London
Liverpool
Bristol
Hull
Clyde
.......................«.» 4413.731
game 20,488,14s
Imams 2,131,533 lb.

TALLOW.- Tallow quiet. Petersbargh Y. C. on
the p:,m, 441. 6d.; Latc•or to Decem,”r-, 435. 91. ; separate
month.' delivery, 3d. to 6d. more.

COILN.— MARK-LANE. There was but little
English Wheat fish up for this morning's market; and
slawugh the weather yts.erJay and to-day has been very
un-ettl,d, the trade ruled till this month g, at Monday's
quotations. The bulk of the (..reign Wheat, as it arrives, is
taken to granary in bond. Barley wu held with increased
firmness, but no advance could be obtained. Oats were dull
sale, she dealers holding elf in the expectation of increased
suppl7es. Beans and Peas, unaltered.

AIOtWALS INTO LONDON FROM 7th. JULY TO ath,IUO,

. hnshsh. beotch V Irish. Foreura.
Wheat I 1610 I
Barley
Oils .. .. ... I 1460 I
Maar, 1,470 seeks • barrels MAN
. . .

August B.—The weather has been unsettled during
the past week, and occasionally heavy rain bee fallen : unless
it very so' n clear up, the consequences must be serious. In
this neighbourhood, several fie.ils of Wheat are cut, and
with fine weather harvest will be genera during the week.
The business done since our last has b. en limit din Wheat,
stocks being very trifling, and err vale insiptificant. For
Berle there hu been a good demand, at full prices. We
had for to-day's mark. t a good show of English Wheat,
chiefly in large I.ta, from opulent farmers or ni ighbouring
futon; notwithstanding the fine weather of yesterday and
to-day, as well as the dull reports from Mark-lane, our
millers were tolerably free buyers, at Is under the ratee of
last week. We note no alteration in foreign ; the sake,
though limited, being at about the previous currency. More

Wheat is reported as cut than we expected from last week's
weather, but accounts as to quality and probable yield do
all improve. A gond axle nr B ,ley, at 26s to it. mi.
SO stone. Oat, more inquired for, but few offtring.
Beans and Peas held fur more monew than buyers
Sr. disposed to Rise. Of Linseed we have a large ar.
rivel, but being well divided, pert for crushers' account, and
more mills at work, the saw has been god at about late
prices. Linseed Bxkee are held for scv re money, which
buyers comply with unwillingly : still a fair business is doing
in Hull-made, at 81.1,55. ; Belgian, 71. 17.. 6d. ; and Copen-
hagen, at 71. 10s. A fine parcel of oblong Swedish is held
asl. 10s. To-day 81 15s. is generally demanded for best
Hull quality. No German Itspeseed on sal., or :he market
would fully support our currency: care lot in warehouse was
sold last week as 261. Rape Cakes the turn d . The
arrivals of Bones find buyers from ship. Not meth business
passing in Guano: the stock of this manure at present in
the Cu ted Kingdom is estimated at 43,324 tons, of which
8,510 tots only are Peruvian or Bolivian, and 33,784 Icha-
boe and inferior qualities. This calculation shlws a decrease
upon the stock held at the same period last year
equal to 47.351 tons. The following are the current
prices:-Wheat, per qr., red, 501. to 525.; • bite, 54,.
to 565. ; Dantsic, Ms. to 58.. ; Lower Baltic and Hamburg,
SOs. to 545. Barley, malting, 28s. to 30s. ; grinding.
265. tn 28.. Oata. Danish. 16s. to 18s. ; Friesland, 16s.
to 113 s. ; Russian, 16s. to 17s. Beans, 345. to 365. ;
foreign, 30s. to 341. Pees, white and yellow, ns. to
' 36e. Linseed, crushing, 32a. to 40s. ; feeding, 425. to
44a. honoured, per 10 qrs.. 251. 10s. to 261. Linseed
Cakes, English, per tor., 81. 15s. ; foreign, 71. to 8!. '
Rape Cakes, 95e. Bones, 8.55. to 87s. 6d. Guano,
41. to 91. os. Import, from the 29th of Jal_y_to the 4th of
August inclusive: Wheat, foreign, 897; Batley, 3,334;
Oat., 2,707; Beans, 2,104; Pea., 92; Linseed, 18,404 ; ,
Rapeseed, 1,516 ; Linseed Cakes, 191 ; Rape Cakes, 178 ;
Bones, 630.

IPSWICH, August B.—The supply of Wheat was much
less than last Tuesday. Weather very unsettled, raining
du, kg the whole day, which caused considerable firmness.
Wheat fully realised last week's prices. harvest is now
generally commenced, but little progress can be :eked/ in
carting.

LZEDS, August B.—Onr arrivals are fair, and there is a
good show of samples. Weather is now fine. We exper6
cure a steady demand for Wheat at Friday's decline. Bar•
ley as before. 04.1 are mane, and fine English quality find
ready sale at full rates. 'Beans and Shelling without altera-
tion. Arrivals this week: Wheat, 6,195; Oats, 786; Beans
1 439.

Lawns, August B.—ln consequence of a very wet day we
heal a good demand for Wheat, at an advance of 2s. per qr.
from the rtes of last Tuesday. Other grain re main unal.
tered. Wheat, white, 141. 10s. to 141. 16a. ; red, 134 to
131. 10s. Barley, 28s. to 30s. Oats, 191. to 21s. Beans,
35s to 361. Peas, 38s. te39s. Twd samples of new Talavera
Wbcat were sold at 60s. per qr., weighing about 601b5., and a
sample of new red, Sts

Liviterooe, August 8. -The foreign arrivals into this
port, during the week ending yesterday, furnish a large sup-
ply of Wheat from the north and south of Europe, and of
Indian Corn and Corn Meal from the United States, with a
fair quantity of Egyptian Beans, and 1.823 barrels of Cana-
dian Flour; the general receipts coastwise and from Ireland
being only moderate. After the few fine Jaye noticed
in our report of Friday last, the week closed with heavy
rein; Sunday was extremely wet and boisterous, ana
the weather is still very unsettled; the operations
of harvest are e.neequently interrupted for the pre-
sent. Accounts Iron the south of Ireland describe
the weather very similar to its general character here, et the
same time representing the potato blight to be spreading
more widely than of late ; we must repeat, however, that, as
regards this country, no cause fur serious alarm on the sub-
ject is yet apparent, even the early kinds of this root being
nut partially, and the field crop, 'ermine perhaps 4.sehs of
the whole, so far very slightly, affected with disease. At our
market this morning, which was tolerably well attended by
home and country millers, and influenced in some degree by
the uncertain stale of the weather, el: gold fresh qualities of
English, Irish, and foreign Wheat were purchased to a fair
amount fe consumption, at the currency of this day gen-
night. Irish Flour, as wetl as State • and Canadian, although
not in lively request, maintains cur last quotations. Barley,
except a choice parcel of foreign, which was held on higher
terms than were obtainable, continued to rule the same as on
Friday • and Malt was in steady demand, at late prices.
English and European Beans supported the advance above
mentioned, whilst, Egyptians meeting a dull aisle' and
re-
ceding further again today, our quotations are reduced Is.
per qr. below the rates of Tuesday last. In Peas we have
no change tit note. Prime Oats being still in short supply,
all descriptions were Id. per 451 b. dearer; Oatmeal, notwith.
stand, was little noticed, and declined 11. per load. We had
a limited demand for Indian Corn on Irish account, but an
increased inquiry for English consumption, which holders
met by a concession of 2s. to 3s. per quarter; and Corn
Meal was fully 6d. per barrel cheaper than on this day week.
The following are the present prices :-British : Wheat, per
701 b., English, red, 7s. 9d. to 81. ; extra, Bs. to Bs. 4d.;
white, Bs. to Bs. 3d.; extra, Bs. 3.1. to Bs. 6d. ; Irish,
red, 75.6 d. to 7s. 10d.; extra, 7s. 10d. to Bs. 241.; white, 7s. 9d.
to Ss. ; extra, Bs. to 8.. 4d. Barley, per qr., English,
30s. to 31e; Chevalier, 32.. to 355.; Scotch and Irish, per
60Ibe.' 30.9 d, to 4s. Malt, English, per qr., pale, 575. to 62a.
Oats, English and Scotch, per 4.51 b., eld, 3s. 3d. to 3s. sd. ;
Welsh, old, 3s. 2d. to 3s. 4d.; Irish, fine sorta, new,
38.2 d. to 3m. 31d. ; old, 3., 3d. to 3a. 44.; general, new,
31. to 3s. 2d.; old, 3s. 2.d. to 'is. 3d. Beans, per qr., Eng.,
new, 395. to 415.; old, 425. to 445.; Scotch and Irish, per
4801 b., new, 345. to 365. ; old, 37a. to 38e. Peas, English,
per qr., white, new, 40e. to 42a. ; ditto and Irish, grey, 34a. to
365. Flour, per 2801 b., English and Irish, fine, 38a. to 395. ;
superfine, 42.. to 435. ; extra, 445. to 455. Oatmeal, per
load of '2401b., 1ri5h,1847,265. 6d. t 0275.; old, 255. 6d. to
26a. ; Canadian, old, 25e. to 255. 6d. Bran, per 241 b., Is. to
la. Id. Foreign: Wheat, per 701 b., Canadian, red, 7..9,1. to
85. ; white, Bs. 3d. to Bs. 6d.: United States, red, Bs.
to Bs. 4‘ll. ; white, Bs. 6d. to Bs. 10d. ; Dantec, mixed and
red, Bs. to Bs. 3d. ; high mixed, Ao. 9d. to 9s. 3d. ;
Lower Baltic and Hamburg, red, Bs. 3d. to Bs. 6d. ; white,
Be. 6.1. to 84. ; Riga and Petersburg, '
red, 7s. 3d. to
7s. 6d. ; Archangel, 7s. to 7a. 4d, ; Odessa, common,
red, 7s. 2d. to 7s. 6d. ; Polish, 7s. 6d. to fia. ; French,
Spanish, and Italian, red, 7s. Bd. to 7s. 10d. ; white,
78. 91. to Ba. ; Bennet and Marianopoli, red, 7s. 6d. to
7e. 91. ; Egyptian, 51.9 d. to 62.3 d.; Mediterranean, &e., hard,
red, 63.3 d. to 6e. fhl. Rye, per qr., Baltic, &e., 265. to 28s.
Barley, per 601 b., 38.9 d. to 4s. &I. Oats, per 451 b., 36.3 d. to
3s. 5d,; Russian, 3a. to 3s. Id. Beans, per qr., European, 345.
to 361.; Egyptian, per 4801 b., 255. 6d. to 26s 62. Peas, per qr.,
Baltic, &c., white, 355. to 385.; Canadian, 31s. to 325. Flour,
per barrel of 1961 b. Canadian, sweet. 295. to 305.; United
States, sweet, 29s 61. to 30e. 6d.; United States and Canadian,
sour, 265. to 274. Indian Corn, per 4801 b., American,
white, 325. to 33a.; yellow, 325. to 335. • European,
yellow, 321. to 34a. Indian Meal, per 196165., 15s. to
151. 6d. Arrivals from the Ist to the 7th of August inclusive,
into Liverpool and Runcorn : Wheat, 16,721 qrs.; Barley,
1.090 ; Malt, 1,018 ; Oats, 1,878 ; Beans, 3,858 ; Peas, 4 ;
Indian Corn, 14,117- Indian Corn Meal. 1,415 barrels;
Oatmeal, 227 sacks; Flour, 1,842 sack', 1,960 barrels.
Lvaix, August 8.-The tanners are mostly cutting their
Wheat, which is generally quite ready for the sickle, and
the weather will now be most important for the harvest. As
far as can be judged at present, it conies light, and the
sheaves stand thin upon the around. The Barley wiil not
b • ready for ten days to a fortnight. Wheat in fair supply
to-day, and a ready sale at Is. to 2s. per qr. decline. Wheat,
61Ibs. to 631b0., 48s. to 505.; fine white, 545. Oats, per at.,
I2d. Brans, 365. to 40s. per qr. to the growers.
PLYStuUTH, August 8.-Wheat is cutting around as, and,
with hue weather, much will be carted in the course of this
week ; at present it is nraettled. Not mach business done
at this morning's n.arket. Prices of Wheat and Flour are
unaltered.

&want:stir, August B.—The weather now being very
faeourahle tor f►rming operations, the farmers avail them-
selves of the present epportunity of housing their corn,
which CAWS! 01i mirkt t be serf thinly a'. Thcre
was abunilance of Wheat, but the hue weatler operattd on
the prices, and a decline of 1.. tl Is. 63. per qr., was sub-
mitted to, with a Begging trade. No o•her description of
grain was pitched, but the few sales effected in Oats and
B, ens, were at Ism week's prices. Wheat, 475. to 30e. Bar
fey, 30s. to 345. Beans, 40s. to 425. Osts, 235. to 2.15. Peas,
4',`a. to 42a.

ST. Ives, August 7.—The Wheat trade to-day was much
the same as last week. Market a tittle better. The new
V. heat made good ',rice. in the market.

1-00L.—HUDDERSFIELD, August B.—A fair
ant: t. .t of business has been done during the put week in
Germ. g Wools, but colonials have been rather bad to quit ;
they, 1. Incur, tout come again into request, as German
Wools sre getting up in price on the Continent. The public
Wool sales some to on the 24th inst.
MANUFACITRES.—MIDDERBEIELD, August 8.
—We can with confidence report rather better of thea week
than the last. More business ►as bArn dose to ail kinds of
loner Woollens than on our last market-day. Blsek Dos
Skin•, at from 3s. lid. to 4s. per yard, have found ready
buyeis.

CATTLE, &e.—DEaas, August B.—We had a fill
market today of ad kinds of tat stock, there being a supply
from the nort:t of England, for which tiler. were considerable
customers, but it was with difficulty that stales were trans-
acted; the middling wits weta sent t waSt unst.ld. The sup-
ply ot Sheep and Lambs was also good, but they were not
held in bti-k demand. Fat Pigs were plentiful, but flat
ssle. Beef made from sd. to 6d. ; Mutton, 64. to 7d.; Limb,
titi. to 74. ; Veal, 54. to 6d. per lb.; Pigs, 9s. to 9s. 6d. per
score.

LirEanoot, Augur 7.—There ore 1,795 Cattle an,l 13,331
Sheep and Lambs in the market to-day, being 232 Cattle
and 1,667 Sheep and Lambs more than last we, k. Owing
to the heavy supply, there is a dull ule, with a decline in
price for all sorts, particularly for Sheep, with a goad
many, both Cattle and Sheep, le.t unsold. Beet, 6d. to 61.;
Mutton, bid. to Gd.; and Lamb, sd. to W. per lb., sinking
the offal.

SALISOVOT, August B.—There WAS AU avcrige supply of
Beasts, tome of v.ry superior quality; whilst the number
of Sheep and Lambs was very large (1750). The sale tor
Beare was dull, and many were driven away unwld ; but
Sheep met with a good clearance, at advanced prices, which
may be attributed to the general complaint of the shortness
of stock in the country. Good ox Bet.f realised its, to
lls. 9d. per score; inferior, 10s. to 10s. 6d. Mutton, 7d. to
70. per lb. Lamb, Bd. to 9d. Veal, 6d. to 6Su. The
supply of Pigs wu rather abort, and a good sale for all des•
criptions, late quotations being fully maintained. Bacon
Pips, 10s. 3d. to 10s. 6d. per score ,• Porken, 9s. 9d. to 10s. ;
green Bacon. 94. to 90. per lb. ; dry, 100. to 11d.

Sr. Iris, Autust 7.—There was a good supply of Beasts
in the market to. der. Prices same as last week, trade rather
brisk. 01 yore t easta there wu a good supply ; trade
seemed rather flatter than usual.

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NOTICE OF MO [JUN.—hum Pooa Law.—Ttte Earl of LUCAN.,
on Tburiday neat, to ask a quest ii on this subjeet.

COPYHOLD ENFRANCHISEMENT BILL.
In answer to a question from Lord WISAUNCLIrrt,
The LORD CHANCELLOR said it was not his inten-
tion to proceed with this bill durin, tier present session.
NAPLES AND SI LILY.
Lord STANLEY thought that the state of the
Two Sicilies was sufficiently important to warrant his
asking from the government for a detailed exposition
of the course which they had felt it their duty
to pursue, and the pclicy which t'eey proposed to adopt
for the future. He need not rerair.d their loidships that the
revolution in Fiance had produced upon the whole of Italy a
wwerful result, and that, immediately after it, there had
been a rising against the authority of the King of Naples,
which, at the time, was completely successful, and which
had led to the occupation of Palermo by the insurgent forces.
It had been urged again and again upon their lordship' to
adhere t.) that international maxim. that, in the event of a
civil contest in another and independent state, whether it were
for the purpose of changing the dynasty or separating from the
authority of the m Whir country some of her deper.dencies, it
became other notions to maintain the strictest neutrality,
and to abstain from interfering in struggles of a purely do-
mestic character. Upon this principle we had abstained
from any interference in the sanguinary struggle between
Russia and Poland, or from interfering in the affairs of
Austria or Schleswig-Holstein; and upon this prin-
ciple we had remonstrated with Charles Albert
mg slim his invasion of the provinces of Lombardy.
Upon this principle also their lordships rejoiced at the answer
of H. Lamartine, then at the head of the provisional govern-
ment of France, to the leaders of the misguided men in
Ireland who waited upon him, in the hope of obtaining
sympathy and assistance. The name of Ireland reminded him
that if there was any one country in the world, with regard
to which it wan not only the dote but essentially the interest
to discourage the doctrine o( non interference between
another country and her dependencive, that country was
England, with her extensive colonies, and more especially
with reference to Ireland, the dissffeeteel people of which

would be glad to obtain the aid of any foreign country, in
shaking off that whieb they had been taught to conaider the
baneful domination of the mother country. He thought it
was to be regretted that at the period of the outbreak of the
Sicilian revel', our minister at Naples was absent from
his post. jie believed it did no happen that at that
very time the no de earl (Mint,) opposite, who
wan engaged upon a roving commission, and who hod been
constituted by his colleagues minister-ellen' to every state
of Europe—(hear, hesr)—it did so happen that he was
then at lime, and in consequence of the recommendation
of the charge d'affaires at Naples, the noble earl was invited
to proceed to the latter place to offer his advice. And he
was anxious to disclaim any desire of casting an imputation
on the noble earl, became he believed that he did not
volunteer his services, bat was invited by the King
of Naples. Whet poised between the noble call and the
Kieg of Naples or ha revokel eubjects, between whom and
their Sovereign the noble earl undertook to mediae he
could not icy ; but it was of let le impvetahca, because be
belie cal that advice had had as title effect as that which
hurl been given on other o.casionT. For all practical pur-
poses the recommendations of this country to the King of
Naples were wholly disregarded; and certain it was that the
mediation of the noble earl was unsuccessful. The Neapo-
litan troopo were driven from Sicily, and shortly after the
insurrection in Sicily was followed up by a similar outbreak
in Naples. A rcactien subsequently took place, and after
considerable effusion of blood the King of Naples obtained a
temporary success over his subjects, and terms had been en-
tered into between the sovereign and what he presumed he
must call the liberal party in Naples. The question which
he
wished to ask the government bore upon the interference
or non-interference of this country with regard to the
form of government, or the individual to be plated
at the head of it—a question whica was to be de-
cided by the people of Sicily. It had been stated
that since the royal force had been expelled from
Palermo, and while discussions were going on in the
self-constituted Sicilian govern= cat, communication: were
being made to them; and that at a very recent period
and immediately before the final decision of the asseteally o
Sicily to offer the crown of that country to the siin of the
King of Sardinia a communication was made on the part o
the British government, and from the British embeesy a
Naples. Her ?d.j. sty's Am, Porcupine was despatched, havens
on board a gentleman attached to the embassy at Naples, with
the intention of communicating with the heads of the re-
volted patty, and intimating to them that it was the pleasure
of England that they should elect, net a republican, but a
monarchical form of government, and that, as the head o f
that monarchy, the y should select the son of the King o
Sardinia. Thot communication, it was said, was made by •
peron of the name of Fagan—a name new in the diplomatic
serviceof thecountry ; but he presumed that he was a native
of the sister country, and belonged to the extreme f iberil part
there, for. upon examining that very useful little w ork oiled
"Dodd's Parliamentary Companion "he found that a gen-
tleman was returned in 1844, for the first time, as member
MR the city of Cork, and was au avowed repealer. He sup-
posed this was the gentleman.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was undervoood to esplem
his dissent.

Lard STANLEY continued: The noble marquis might
have it in his power to give a distinct denial to this ; but he
believed he would be bound te admit that agents from Sicily
had been received is this country—perhaps not formally or
officially, but they had been admitted to interviews with the
head of the foreign department, and had camo.unicatel their
view* as to the conetituicn of Sicily, and were informed by
the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs that England
would not recognise Sicily as a republic; but that she would
recognise her if she elected as her king the son of the Kieg of
Serdinia. He believed it also to be the fact—and he stated
this on authority which could Lot be disputed—that a
communication to that effect WEI mole by the noble
lord to the King of Sardinia through her Majesty's min:ster
at Turin, and a einailer communication had been one'e to the
minister at Palermo, Mr. Goodwin. If this was so, he must
state that such interference in the effeirs of Sicily was
unjustfiable in point of policy; and to hold at any condi-
tion as the price of the recogniioa by England of the de-
pendency ,e an oil ally as en independent so te was • viola-
tion of ail confidence. (Hear, hear.) First, then, be wilted
to as% waether any communication bad been made be her
Majesty's ministers, or by the authority of the Fcreign-
office, either cirectly or through the in• trumentelity of any
of our ministers or diplomatic agents in Italy or Sicily, with
regard to the election of any particular form of government
in Sicily, or any individual to be placed at the head of it,
accompanied with any intimation whatever that the
cause of policy with regard to England, recog.iieing
or not rem rosiest the indeeenderce of Sicily, would
be guided by the course which the Sicilian assembly
should take with regard to that question of purely lute ens!
policy ? He bud also further heard—and if it was tree it
was a still more i.istiuct and flagrant breach of neutrality,
and an act of hostili.v—he had heard of another important
fact. The King of Naples, in the et.rcise of his undisputed
right, having succeeded in arranging the affairs of his own
, dominions on the continent of Italy, had been making pre-
paraeioes for the resteratien of his utetionty in Sicily. La
, such a case we had no right to interfere. We were at peace
with the King of Naples, and we h •d no right to interfere
with any efforts which he night make for the restyratior. of
hie authority over nis revolt, d subjects. If out meciation
tied been asked :or, God for hid that he should say a e cad
against L ; but unless such an application had he. n aside
our duty was phis, clear, and dietinct—it was to r team
wholly neutral. He wi•hu d, therefore, to aek the
government whether they practically recognised this
principle ? Because it had been reported that wells
a con-iderable force was in preparation in Naples,
for the purpose of making an attack on Sicily, and ender-
, veurirg ti reduce teat couutry again to obedience, her els-
jest) 's fleet in the Mediterranean had rec.ieed order-. in
obedience to which they had apieared in the bay of N... les,
and had eurroundad the vessels prepared foe transporting
the Neapolitan troops to Sicily ; and alehough Admiral
Parker haul nut :etiolated any distract intention el prevent-
iog the enterprise Lis flet occupied at this moue t a
menacing pidticor, with Teemed to which they It'd Ilip and
the world had a right to he informed a- to the intentions of
the government in so placing that ff et. He wished, teere-
f re, to know whether the British admiral had received any
instructions to intertere in any degree "Oa any expeeition
which the Kii.g oi Naples Light r cad for the putpeec ot re-
establishing his authority in Sicily? Ile apprehended that
clearly up to the pr. sent time this country Lad not r_o-g-
--aired the ind..neadeems of Siciiy, and th et we had
no ri. ht to do so, from the petition of attain
in the Siedi.s, for the struggle w-a still going on,
and our in:erten:lice wculu he qui:e unjustifiable.
He had been further told that when the assembly of Sicily
elected the Duke of Genoa to he their tree, reign it wan re-
ceived by a salute hem the British fleet lyirg off the nar-
hour ; and he had also been informed that the Porcupine,
which conveyed Hr. Fagan to Palermo, had also C0111:Ted
the deputation from Sicily for the pietism of cif. the
Duke o' Genoa the crown, wh.cli he had been infermed that
pereor.agt had bad the good sense to decline. The noble
lord repeated' his questions, and, in concheiion, move! for
copies or extrecta of the correspoudeuce between her Ma-
jesty's government and any of lee Majesty's ministers
abroad in retei C.V., to the election of a eoveteign for Sicily.
The Marquis of LANSDOtVNE would cot follow the
noble lord through all his details, but he had no hesitation
in g:ving him the information which be required with re-
spect to the interference of her Majesty's government lee the
affairs of Naples wed Sicily, if it could be called
an interference to tender an opinion when it was
called for in the Citlerences which bad unhappily arisen be-
tween those countries. He was action.'. to !mole the
impressions which seemed to exist in the minder the noble
lord that there had been in any part of this tranenction a de-
sire to become ish or assist in forming a separation between
those two kind--ma. (Hear, hear.) Therefore, in the dif-
fireucts which bad exieted between the kingdom of Naples
—with wham, he was happy to ray, we had been, and he
hoped we ehmald long continue to be, on terms of friendship
—and the kinetic= of Sicily, with which, though unitsd to
Naples, we had also stood in peculiar relations, independent
of its connexion with Naples—(hear]—it had been the
wish and interest of her Majesty's ministers to maintain the
coons:ion between kluples and Sicily upon the looting on

which it had heretofore existed • and long after the disturb-
ances bad commenced the whole object of the course taken
by her Majesty's government, bath previous to the mission
of the noble earl (Minto), to which the noble lord had alluded
in somewhat contemptuous terms, but which he could prove
to him t o have been a most important and useful one—(hear)—
both previous and subsequent to that mission the object of the
government and of the noble earl, who had been invited by
the King of Naples, was to maintain the relations between
that kingdom and Sicily upon the same footing se that upon
which it had existed, and by counsel and advice to promote
the adoption of those principles which offered the only chance
of that relation being maintained. And not only were those
counsels tendered, but they were also received iu a spirit ol
amity ; and there was rennin to hope that the first and
favourite object of our interference would have been *nom-
plithed, and that Naples would have retained at this moment
her rule over Sicil. Bat changes took place in the councils
of hi. Majesty'sNeapolitan advisers which rendered it im-
possible to carry on the airangement which was then almost
completed. But up to the moment when there appeared to
be the slightest practical difficulty in maintaining the
union which had existed —up to the period of
the sucrose, the almost complete success, of the
Sicilian arms, the advice and acts of her Majesty's
government had been directed but to one object, the con
tinuance of that union. There had been no want of skill on
the part ot the
Naplessnobl lord wlio had been chareed with au-
thonty at and as the noble lord (Stanley) had
alluded to the individual character of the noble lord who
had been entrusted with the Britifth authority at Naples, he
begged to say that his absence commenced long before the
troubles there had broken out; and if ever the noble lord
opposite should see the whole of the papers and the com-
munications which bad taken place upon there matters, he
would find that no country had been represented with more
ability, assiduity, and !kill than England had been at
Naples by Lord Napire. (Hear, hear.) From the time it
became manifest that Sicily would no longer remain a part
of Naplee, the feelhog of the British government had been
in favour of the family of the Kiag of Naples ; and it then
did not cease, fur their anxiety was that a prince of the
house of Naples should be chosen as the sovereign
of Sicily—(hear, hem)—and ne effort was spared to
induce the Sicilians to make that choice. But when it be-
came manifest that h oecple of Sicily—combining every
branch—front the aristocracy down to the lowest order—
were so united, and had displayed such military power as
they did, in the maintenance of their iodependence, the
cionasel and advice of her Majesty's government was given
as to the form of government, but it was unaccompanied by
anything like a condition. (Hear, hear.) They certainly
did think it =OA advisable, as (or as any opinion as to a
form of government might go, that it should be in favour
of a monarchy rather than of a republic. (Hear, hese.)
And assuming that advice would be successful, the British
government added nothing to it ; but they certainly did
think it desirable that a monarch should be selected from one
of the Italian states, and not that a foreign interest should
be introduced into Sicily. (Hear, hear.) Looking back to
the different stages of the counsel which her Majes-
ty's government had given in this matter, he distinctly
and advisedly raid that there was not one word which they
has had occasion hi regret. (Hear, hear.) The noble le rd
was mistaken in his chronology of the different events to
which he had adverted as in other particulars, but that did
not affect the ins re important question. He might, however,
my that he was entirely wrocg in supposing that a communi-
cation had been made to Sicily and the King of Sardir
ie
that the British government required an insurance that the
Duke of Genoa should be elected, and that they annexed any
sort of promise as to their future conduct. They had said
that if a monarchical govcrr.ment was chosen they would re-
eognise the prince who 'nicht be elected by the people.
With reference to the British fleet, he could only my that
Admiral Parker had not appeared in the Bay of.liaples in
consequence of any instrwtions which he had received with
reference to the bostiiitid between Naples and Sicily. (Hear,
hear.) The closing don-ration. of the noble marquis, as
well as other portions of his speech, were quite inaudible.
Lord STANLEY thought the answer of the noble marquis
was not at all satisfactory. Ile had admitted that when the
couple between Naples ar.d Sicily was not over, when the
King of Naples bad not :is gned the hope or intention of
effecting a restoration of his authority in Sicily, the British
government had thought fit to enter into communication
with, and offer advice to, hie revolted subjective to the mode
in which they should form their government. Such a course
was quite inconsistent with the friendly feeling which we
ought to maintain with an ally. It was encouraging the
people to arm against their sovereign. He was aware that
Sir W. Parker's thoo had app. seed in the bay of Naples in
consequence of a complaint which they believed themselves to
have against a Neapolitan vessel. It appeared that in the
open sea a Neapolitan ye sad whilst chasing a Sicilian vessel
fur the purpose of coming sothin shot hoisted British colours
—but previous to her fitirg she lowered them and hoisted
Neapolitan colours. He doubted whether this formed any
jos: ground of complaint, but certainly it was not sufficient
to justify the presence of the whole British II et in the bay of
Naples, and the menacing attitude which they had assumed:
and he had a right to know whether the British government
did intend to maintain a strict neutrality; and whether they
would think the British admiral would h: justified in offer-
ing any eeithitance to any naval force which the King of
Naples might send to Sicily.
The Earl of MINTO said it was understood that a Neapo-
litan steamer had hoisted the British colours, and em-
barked a large number of Sicilian refugee., and brought
them to Naples, acd the the admiral had demanded access
to those persons to ascertain their cause of complaint, but
that demand was refused. H-re, as it appeared to him, was
a sufficient ground for a per. mptory demand for an explana-
tion. The admiral acted upou his own judgment, and in
this, as in every other instance, be was sure it would be
found that that distinguished officer hod acted with fairness
and prudence.
The Duke of ARGYLE regretted that her Majesty's
government should have 90 early concluded that the con-
nexion between Sicily an.. Naples should he established on
another basis. (Hear, hear.)
Earl GREY said :het the noble duke was premature in
delivering no decided an opinion benne he was informed on
the subject. When the time arrived at which her Majesty's
government could produ e 1111 the information he had no
doubt whatever it would show that they had not acted with-
out due cause.
The Earl of MALMESBURY thouebt the roble earl's
rercarke unsatisfmtory, and is no degree answer to the
second question of his nohlo friend (Lnrd Stanley). He
therefore asked her Mejesty's government this plain question
in plain English : " Iv toe fleet of Admiral Parker to inter-
fere with any expedition which his Nesoolitan laisjesty may
'end against his devoted subjects in Sicily ?"
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE refused most distinctly to
answer the question.
CORN MARKETS (IRELAND) BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE, in movine the third
readino of this bill, took t sea-ion to contradict most directly
a statement mently mode by Lord Brougham, ti the effect
that Mr. Lobouetiera had s'a'c l in a circular letter that the
people of Ireland were juitifie lin carrying arms. He held
a copy of that letter in his hand; and so far from that, it
stated directly the reverse; for it warned the people that
the earning of arms, except 1 r lawful pietas..., was illegal.
TITLES OF ROMAN CATHOLIC PRELATES.
Died RE DESDALE moved for • " Copy of a despatch,
dated Downing-street, November 20, 1847, relating to
the titles by which prelates of the Roman catholic chinch in
the colonies are in future to be addressed in all e fficial com-
munications." He concluded that this despatch must have
been hastily written, for it attributed to the Charitable Bequests
Act an operation respecting the titles of Roman catholic
prelates which it did not penes—that of recognising the
precedenee of the. oionitanee by giving them certain titles.
Giving a Roman cotho'ic the title of "y our grace," where
thee was no Brit ,h p:elate, c.-nferred upon him the prece.
donee which belong• d to the protestant prelate, and this h.
objected to. He moved for this despatch, because the ques-
tion was one which nught to be clearly explained.
Earl GREY had no oh ection whatever to the production
of the despatch, and admitted it Lail been hastily written
It was perfectly true that the Bequeets Act did not expressly
recognise the rank of the Rennin catholic prelatee ; but since
it poised their rank had lo en recognised in this country, tool
the effl et of not rec.ognising it in the colonies would give
greet dissatisfaction. Although that act did not in form re-
cognise the rank of these prelates, it gave authority to her
Majesty's ministers to create a commission which did m, at
distinctly recognise it. So in the Dublin Cemeteries Act
Roman catholic bishops were styled " most reverend," and
Dr. Murray, the Rumen catholic itichbishop, was
styled "hip Grate " Tlio lave, th. ref 're, although it did
net profres to roofer rat k. re. ognM. d the rank already
rocketed, and thi, wet all that he instructed to be done in
his drapsteh, which 11(44 addressed to all the colonies, in
ma.y of widish alto great majority of the coloniets were
Roman catholic., where, it appeared to him, it would be
contrary to all jus ice and, reeeen for her Msjesty't minis-
ters to prey, rat the ti Is! rev. co.prt.:ates front he,rig recog-
nis el. Ile was net 'led any complaint er difficulty
ha i an on in coro ept• to. of the despech moved for by the '
noble for I.
Lied STANLEY thou tht the noble earl would have
done better in simply acknowledging that the despatch had
been founded in error. He therein stated that parliament
had, by a recent act, rece.tnieed the precedence of the Ro-
man catholic prelate, toed that it was the duty of her
Majesty's government to conform to the rule thus laid down
by the legislature. But parliament hod laid down no such
rule, and granted no such precedence. There was not one
word to that effect in the Charitable Bequasta Act. As for
the a muniesion alluded to by the noble earl, it could give no
precedence else whet— than at its own sittings.
The motion was thrr, agreed to,
EMIGRATION TO AUSTRALIA
Earl Gutty postpone! tall Thursday his notice on this
subject.
SUPPRESSION OF ILLEGAL SOCIETIES
(IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of Lord Corranitow, a bill with this
title, and having (as lit bbstrYed) special clauses relating to
club', was read a fi-st tine.
Their lordships ad; arned at a quarter past 7 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, Avo. 8.
the Sr ail= took tha chair at 12 o'clock.
P RIVATE B U SIN ESB.
SECOND READLNGS.—M..rquiaeI Londonderry's Estate (Nos. I
and 2); Wohninster Improvements; Bill..
THIRD READINGS.-51r1),.cough College Chapel; Walsall
provement;
Witlpi' AMENDMENTS CONSlDERED.—Birkenhead Dock
Oommiesion-rs (transfer of powers to new commisnionen, effecting
arrangements with the mown, awl amendment of acts), (No. 2) ; Fur-
nessßailway; Londonderry Improvement; Thorne Moor Drainage
and improvement; Bide.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.

SECOND READlNG.—Weattousster Improvement 818.
COMMITTED.—The Exchange of Adrowauns (counties of Warwick
sad Stafford) BILL
REPOltTS.—Churches ; Proclamations on Funs (Court of Common
Pleas); Poor Law Cuion Charges (No. 2); Bills.
THIRD READINGS.—Turopine Roads (Leland); Canada COMO-
Mint ; Militia Baia Susperui,n; BlUs.
240,nes Of I.lollo:4.—Ltaiww. LAND OMANI BILL—M. 3.

WILLIAM on Friday neat, to ask O'Connor whether he
swans towoceed with this snd some other etwetkme relative to

MR. W. S. O'BRIEN.
The SPEAKER rose and said—l have to acquaint the
house that I have received this morning the following letter
from the Lord Lientelent of Ireland:
Dublin Castle, Aug. 6, 1646.--81r,—It ia my painful duty to Inform
you, that Mr. W. 8. O'Brien, a member of the 'louse of Commoss,
nap yaserdhy arrested at furies on • charge of high treason, and u
DOW in the gaol at Kilmainbam.—l hare the honou to be, olz, yJur
of
obedient .errant, CIAIONDON.—To the It'pht Honr . the Speaker
the House of 00017120116
POOR LAW UNION CHARGES (No. 2) BILL.
Mr. BERNAL brought up the report on the Poor-law
Union Charges (No. 2) Bill.
Mr. C. BULLER moved the addition to the bill of the

following elikase
And be it fhrther enac'ed, that if any person bercintefore made
chargeable upon the common fund of the union .hull be convicted be.
fore any justice of say offence committed to any workhouse white
maintained therein, or of deserting or running away horn any work.
home, and carrying away cloth, or other property therefrom, and be
liable to be committed to any gaol or house of correction, the justice
before whom such person shall be convicted, may commit such person
In the gaol or housed correction of the county r p
olace contng Me
parish In which such peroon, if chargeable to the cam ainimon fund
,by reason of being exempt from removal antler the
statute bereinbefore mentioned, shall have been residing,
when admitted into the workhouse, or to that of the county or place
comprising the major part of such union, In the case of any other
person basks rendered chargeable on the said common fund, not-
withstanding each workhouse may not be situated in such county or
place, or that such justice may not he a justice of such county or
place, and the charges of the conveyance of such person to such gaol
or house of Correction, end all other charge. consequent upon such
committal, shall be borne by such county or place, in like manner ea
the charges of persons rionamitted in the ordinary ankle to the gaol
thereof, shall be borne.
Ante
•
• fees words from Capt. PECHELL the motion was
agreed to, and the clause added to the bill.
Col. TiIOmPSON mows d the following clause:
And be it further enacted, that the guardians of any union or parish
mar, with the order of the mid oommiesioners, and in conlurmity with
such regulations as they shall diroct, procure, or waist in procuring,
the emigration of any pour person chargeable, or who would, if re-
lieved, be chargeable, upon the common fund of such union, or in the
carte of any parish not comprised in • union, who may, though not
settled thereto, be exempt from liability to removal therefrom : and
such guardians shall, in the case at a union, charge the costs and ea-
pens, incurred in such emigration upon the common fund; sad in
the ease of a peridl net in a union, upon the mooeys in their hands
for the relief of the poor.
Mr. HENLEY hoped the right hon. gentleman opposite
(Mr. C. Duller) would not accept this dance. He (Mr.
Henley) objected to paupers being sent out as emigrants at
the cost of the unions on which they had become chargeable,
as would be the Caw if this clause was adopted. It was
monstrous to saddle the unions with a charge of this kind.
Mr. C. BULLSR supported the clause, on the ground
that it would enable parishes which might think it the best
employment of their tunda to assist paupers to emigrate to do

so.
Col. THOMPSON also supported the clause, and was sure
its:promoters had no wish either to increase their own burdens
or those of their neighbors, but to reduce them by promot-

ing emigration.
After a verbal amendment, the object of which wu to ex-
clude vagrants from the operation of the clause, the cause
wits agreed to, and ordered to stand pert of the bill.
On the question that the bill he engrossed,
Capt. PLCIIELL said that, owing to the construction put
by :he law officers of the crown on the Settlenr,nt Act of
9 and 10 Vic., great inconvenience had been c►used to
parishes, and great hardship to the poor.
Mr. BULLER said he had not thought it necessary to
issue any fresh instructions to guardians.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE congratulated the house that this was

only a temporary measure.
The motion that the bill be engrossed was then agreed to.
Mr. Ald. SIDNEY complained of tile Increase of cases of
vagrancy, which had augmented from 300 to 400 in 1843 to
41,000 in 1847. The greatest difficulty was experienced in
obtaining accommodation for this logs of paupers, and the
results must be very serious if next winter were anything
like the last. A circular on this subject hsd been issued by
the poor law commissioners to the guardians, which seemed
to imply that those who bad been committed to pi ieon should
not he received afterwards in any workhouse. If this were
so, he did not see how the peace of society was to be pre-

served.
Mr. DULLER said he had merely suggested to the guar-
dians that it might he very useful to appoint police °dicers all
relic vine officers to ',wants, whereby many who were con-
scious of being known to the police might be deterred from
applying under ordinary circumstances. lle had never
lawn to sanction the principle that a man in distress ought
he be refused relief hetet/at he had had the misfortune at one
time to be imprisoned, It might be true that the accommo-
dation in the London workhouses was very limited, but with
this the commissioners could not interfere.
Mr. HENLEY said that the only result of refusing relief
would be that the applicants would be talon to the station-
house, arid would receive it there. He hoped the laws re-
lating to vagrancy would soon be made more stringent.
Mr. C. LEWIS said the existing act was sufficiently
stringent. Tat greet difficulty lay, not in the law, hut in
the unwillingness of magistrates, both in the City end
throughout the country, to give it effect, and in the diffi•
culty of obtaining evidence as to an act of vagrancy bang
committed.
The bill was ordered to he reed a third time (to-morrow)
this day.
POOR LAW UNION DISTRICT SCHOOLS BILL.
On the question that the house should go into e.ommit.ee
on this bill.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said the bill would involve the
compulsory education of the poorer classes of this country.
It was also obtecionahle as increasing parochial burdens,
already too heavy. As the law stood children were better
educated in workhouses than the children of the poorer class
of mechanics; and theestahlishment of districts of fifteen miles
radius would have the effect of separating the children from
the parents. He decideuly objected to the mode of meeting
the cost of these new establishments—namely, out of the
poor-rate. In the present session three extra charges had
been attempted on the poor-rate, which had no legal con-
nexion with relief of the poor: one was connected with the
repair of the highways; another was imposed by the bill
they had just been discussing; and the pre,ent measure went
to authorise a third. After the repeal of the corn laws he
held it most unjust to impose any additional burden on the
occupiers of the soil, through the medium of the poor rate.
Mr. BULLER said the eon. gentleman ss as under some
misapprehens'one as to the provisions of the tell, which he
was glad to have this opportueity of removing. At this
period of the session he should not have ventured to bring
forward any measure which would really increase the pres-
sure of the poor rates. It would, in fact, diminish that bur-
den, by producing a wise and economical expenditure of
money. There was nothing whatever in the bill to compel
any increased expenditure. By the act of 1844 children in
workhouses were taken from their parents and placed under
proper care. He had no tsar of their tieing over.
educated ; but the legislature was bound to take
care •hat they received some education, otherwise
a constant succession of paupers was growing up ; for those
who had none of the attrecions or associations of home to
deter them from the workhouse were too apt to return
there. It was obvious that the expense of education was
greatly increased by having a schoolmaster and schoolmis-
tress in every workhouse ; and this bi'l provided that four
unions might be formed into a district, to the school of
which the whole of the children in %Voce uoione would be
sent, and the commissioners might form such districts, but
they could do nothing more ; the erection of the school and
every other outlay would have to he determined on by the
guardians. The act of 1844 had been rendered inoperative,
both in Lendon and the country, by the limitation of the
districts in the country to 15 miles, and by the limitation of
the cost to one-fifth of the annual outlay of the union
in London. Another limitation which had operated unta-
i.er Oily was the consent of the parents being reqUi-ed to the
children being placed inthe schools. Tnesc limitations the
present bill removed ; and to this there could be no ohj .c.
tion, as the euerdiane would have the en'ire power of decid-
lag is every case whether the additional expense should be
incurred or not. The total number of children in the work-
houses was 51,237, of whom not more than 11,000 were with
their parents ; so ;hat, under any circumstances, the evils of
separation could not be great. Many unions in Hampshire
and Berkshire were prevented from establishing schools by
the limitations he had referred to. The workhouses were
greatly overcrowded—an evil of molt serious magnitude ;
but, it schools were provided, the workhouses would be suffi
cient for the adult paupers. But the main ground on which
he proposed thin bill was the welfare of the children them-
selves. As the law stood they were placed in wards
op rt from their parents, who had no control over them.
Constant communication between the children and the adult
paupers was absolutely unavoidsble, and nothing could be
more demoralising. The girls, in particular, by their inter-
course with the women paupers, were exposed to almost cer-
tain corruption. In the u• ion of Penesnee, in Cornwall, the
least psuperistd district south of the Trent, the average rates
were 10d. in the pound ; in the adjoining union of Falmouth,
they were 24. 3d. In the former union there was no separate
esteldishnaent for the chit! fen ; and the girls, as soon as they
r. achedthe age of le, and wale admitted t'the women's
ward, invariaNy turned out ill, arid their his.ory .as most
deplorable. The Falmouth union had a separate school;
and the results to the juvenile paupers were most beneficial.
Mr. Galore the insistent commissioner, declared the school
was a model to all others; and he attributed this en-
tirely to the children being wholly removed from the
ordinary pauper influences and associations. The parish of
Lambeth had else a separate establishment for their pauper
children at Norwood ; and the results had been most favour-
able. It was desirable that the pauper children should
rather be taught to do useful work than to spend much of
their time in what was usually called book-learning. (Hear,
bear.) But instruction in useful arts could only be given
where large numbers of children were brought together.
At Norwood some were taught gardening, some agricultural
occupations, some tailoring, some shoemaking, and other
useful trades. By enabling unions to combine for this pur-
pose great good would be effected ; and if the limitations
were removed the schools would only be establithed where
the exeen.e might properly be incurred ; and the results to
the children themselves, in rescuing them from vice, and
putting them in possession of useful knowledge, would be
most valuable.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE, admitting the kindness and benevo-
lence which had dictated this measure, disapproved of the
means by which it was proposed to be carried out. He
believed the education in workhouses was not below the
general average of education ; what was moat wanting was
some assistance in their superintendence. This bill proposed
to incur the expense of providing for the education of be-
tween 30,000 and 40,000 children ; but the right hon. gen.
apeman seemed to forget that in nine-tenths of the unions the
necessary provision had already been made for the purpose.
He hoped the right hon. gentleman would consent not
to press the bill further at t is advanced period of the session.
Mr. HENLEY believed that the bill dealt with a much
larger subject than was generally supposed. The old law
only applied to a very limited CUM of children ; the present
bill might be construct to include all. Another objeo
tion to the bill was, that it made no provision for the soli-