The Express.
London, England, 1865-05-31 00:00:00

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THE EXPRESS, WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY SI , 1865.

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poi; Mid to order that I may do so with brevity I email loom gralleethe who bee Nth seeders odd there weer se loathe pined Weed lit of within esti* the ter earth ;
Zee be allowed to den the can frees one* maim tom
or lismallWOOnt, Or, U shin res, it was of this kind of the maws had thisidered the subj.* It as, however. l
istrelsosd ion it the et hos. mestithen, -tent the party imposed Sirens upon the weaker, thundered inmertast that en delay should tab plan is the
ope hstm to rte to be hardly Qwrues to the gees. dot weaker haring nothing to do but MD menet Let es appoietthist of a sethemer to the t Bishop , I
Rupert. j
01 whith..„ww4sthi, booth le the eta piton this is set e gots. led the theureey of that view. What said Archbishop Lead ; soretquently • letter Led bees adenoid by the 1
litecw-, ke Imo.* 'on of may now form of oath proposed Menu Wall that Past, Did he Welk el WOW malthiehop to the Colottial•011 teed bet Mej t had •
11/...a. -km- tine
It that were so, a great many emu. apse those wen were weak ? Nadas of the ided.l.l=ll powered him to telwitont• the wan bishop, . i 14-
...olt ts."-whia 11 hays bees Writhed to the brew Might 'elm& ebb elneetime before • ethimithe el this h "Have patent would be oared, or soy treguminte, 184
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tae weight thee Gm here upon the prs. you say noses to think that is the minds of isemasy victim of of waling the joriadioticeoreafereed by- ttitcroto.--
111- --- 'm • Neither is this with any kind of pro. the Rothe ribbons clergy there • tit hope
Mel disesteem'. limo the fain a the vim eo *modem
oitti elm asp or sal AUDiT OF FOREIGN.OFFIGE ACCOUNTS. 1
selity tho time when we the to a toe tempera' rompreloos 0 the In Mower to Mr. W. MIMI?. I
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Iterw-7,e: utor it it the object of the measure which the wealth II alloys." (Hear herd bear.) Quinton : "Or an i -wee
dep bee. member for Limerick has saked es to adept. objection 00 give the most moll and enure assarsao ou that teleges.pbs,z""aand eptedikierlioast."lTlt=stookenniusmsgers'te ought to ;
vbeit ois thought disirable. either es the part of her Ma• seibject by any declaration that thy be required of them r be audited every year, bet they won sot depemoy ast
y. go rt r ant or of any individual member of the Answer : "Not the least objettioo." (Heat ) god other,* to thisseqthoos of the di 801 l to ionise them all ie. The
t..elsomdre
tot a
mime. with that objet, ati it will this was before the °sunlit Ennoolpstwe• . Bill was loth. i eth ts oun wombat sodded is Yu* 1186. The auditor of
broug s before id io • bill framed for the purpose, and upon doped into this bone, mid he did not say that he was will. the Front-ages wee the pennant Under Sestetary el
)dry, the motto, for its seracd tag. the house leg to make tenth as one who could make no better, but be '
ISt,. --...,--- ' lee it. thane. whether the elders.
coath. Is or is expeller. sed th
,it heartfelt sea meth opinion of those whom I asli"..ter thaTy bed.4B"ililbees liwilditsell" nt.a.by 4011•Pb701"th.Ochiassonstarisoclark. "id
vdic7i ;ride. With this prow ce
betai ask he boun to nit pretested se to what they were ready to ethesdo, not ; state. they west hams owe a the berme of the Enshogrier•
matter 0 great im. whet the to be extorted hoes them se a Gem • B I
capider-tht which differentsir,lcudoath avorr purposes o jetocom to • titer then& Within the last two years •• i ties hod brio mostainly followed for very lon period,
cirkth- those bon. members belteelag to the Roman Menem* has hese made by an eminent Rooth catholic i but the oath was quite stalls* sod ind:ed la :toes to have I
kebob° faith ask tbet the pretest form of should. be nobleman, Lord Catnap., to this effect, that Ronan catholic. ; some plea downed for bowleg the sodil sally.
ii.wd
R. THY POLLUTION OF RIVERS.
- ' Let me remind the boon what ere the three riffle- were parties to the oath of 1829, and therefore had no right
rat ope a the oath is
we are asked to main an alters. triggered with it. " There are," he said, " many Roman 1
tics in. /he first part is this-" Ido further declare that ' ostbelice who strongly deny this @telethon, and err we YON POLL
asked the tither Secretary of
Smte for the Horne Departmeet whether a commission was
em en erode of my faith, mid that I do ' wens net in parliammit at the time, end therefore to be
11. ha pat aid abjun the °piano, that priers I win no parties to the nth. I most beg to differ ... .
EsgleadaPP4B, asedb"thewhet7ltneathia"of girth. B"eidyWiegollhe?"pol° nerwetiou °lot
Mother r• thane Roman catholic@ in that view, sod confers !IMO by mlase and fedora; sad, if so, whether he would
meommeehthad y the Pope, or any other authority of the
I floen lay tithe the table • ropy of the Maroon° s gives to that
a Boum pay be deposed or murdered by their subjects ; that we were parties by meant at least to the
to by ay ether persopropoodo whatsoever." Now,. what is the pur. ! nth. The oath received the sanction of the
wiecoodohisite• sod how it was ter;that
pi, fan which 1t is to alter this part of the oath! ; catholic prelate, and of the greet tether of einemeipatioo, akar,. 'id hese coeeelin ted theeitne the wee'
Is it because the right hon. member for Limerick says, "I j Mr. O'Cooriell. The oath was gladly taken by us at the time kr G. GREY said the 7". mic NFU- . .
with to be fro. from the obligation that port of the oath let the emancipation, sal het beet taken by us over pion, searing sad chsmicel koctirlangemirn ahoewumoPrtplorgotod"gat
desire to be free from any obligation which • mid bother. some members may be food who differ as to • • P
wrap, We doing the things - .. the interpretetion of
some ot it
Ikea restrain us from
._ . when any question PrinciPo catalog and manamturieg operation, of the
Itectief the eatehliehed =sneer cans Woes P•t. da• counter were tarried oe. There mold be no objection to
0.., cep of gm oath !" (Oh, oh.) lkrothiag of the
mese, sae loth bas been no her to the toll M.01%11110 a, out product, • copy of the commission, and also the letter of
criTd. '-ite honourable members who expressed
ask dthpprobatioe canoe% hem followed my lathe laribireentery sad other poblie duties." Sir, Ido not mean instruction.
t I say. I understand-I should be veiny to un- to may that ae eet of pertained is a comfort that we motet .... _
mdlessui
"ohm( eme thee this-that menthe. a the depart from ; but we most look at the eircumstanoes which
Salhole, faith desire the theratiou of that part of led to the push( of every set. Is it too much to contend
the
tab because it is ridiculous ; because, they say. "We that the form of this oath-that park ot it which we are
lithe no such article of faith ;we never had ;we disavow it rolothering-ths set willingly and cheerfully reosived on
at the mew time that we may it is absurd to ash us to the part of the Roman catholic prelates as the free an-
time it every time we take our seat io the house." Promo° of what thee Proeouthed to be their intention
_ .11,1,,.___„ why it ie mimed to ate, that pert ad wish at tbe time? Well, if that be so, I want to krow
Ilitiour. 7.21•7,Z.d auy mks I epee with the rOOOOO. whet is the objection sow to this part of the oath? It is
Ido ita believe that it is • tenet of the Roma catholic, said that fed is ambiguous in its forts-that various persons
firth, and 1 ha
not the slihtest desire to impose upon the '', different times ham Put different interpretations upon it.
emeeknes or feelioge of Romano catholic member' a repot'. Si'. I am dread this aas argunieet-if worth seything-
the of tot
abjuration and disavowal which I believe to be which goes to the form of every oath. Ido oat believe,
muesonstry, sad which I regard windier it was those. with regard to any oath is future prescribing a lies of oow
myy, ot thy other time or not, is &kora. duct for the future, that it in wrongs to frame it ee es to
Thinkers, sir, as to that part of the oath I Dot avoid controversy. I was surprised to boar that the late
Sir R. Peel athouthed it se his minim that the oath left
;Trwith the alteration, but with the reason
. for it. (Hart hem.) in hasb e„er with „upset any Rothe catholic who should lake it free to deal with
to s latter part of the oath, "I do sole
that is the pro- the Pcoheetant institutions of the coaster in any way they
meta Lod peones, testify, and declare that I make this thought at. I em sot in • Petition to give • Positive
desbration sod every part thereof in the plain and ordinary Matte* to the. statement, but !nature, with great sends.
__, the wade, sad without en, "mks, enuiccoake roe, to thorns • doubt the Sir R. hie ever made
inawentel .......tion whatever," I ear --Ad it lb; soy etatemsot of the kind. (How, bear.) Such • state-
it I's— -,„,,,,,,„„wa to tun that part of the meat world be totally at variance with what he said is 1849
tollrie Is it Denise. Roma eethoik members when speaking of this Rome catholic oath ;he said he
ad we wish to be free from the obligation? Nothing of the attached the greatest importance to it. rotosti3l4 end added
„.,„ riie. es. m men of boo., kid truth we lace no that Lord John Russell, thane member of this house, had
ratio. 4 .4,e. equi,..,..., menially re.„„ aod it acted wisely whet proposing the form of the oath be then
engin not to be supposed that we have. I sth again I introduced, in sot gausses; soy 'hernial of the Roman
emboli° oath. Ido net with to go into • discussion as to
terse with both the alteration sun the reason anigeed for
the church temporalities. I have myth( so doubt thou Use
it ; because in both Casa the restos is that the oath is
subjeel. The words that come before the season 1 have
thinereary-teat it is useless-sod at the same time hurt-
ful to the feelings of those who are required to take it. Par the clueatioe as to the church temporalities
(Hier, bear.) Bat the moment we come to the third part beyond doubt, and bow it can be supposed that the tam-
e( the alteratioe, and as I believe the greet sad substantial Pecelitio• of the church we not Protected by this oath lam
at • Ices to connive. Bet then it is said that protestant
sherd:in, I would ask the house to consider the Isegothe
members of this house who are nothonformista hare always
pid profaned motives of those who demand it :-" I do
candidly and cossisteetly expressed their dislike of the
some that I will defend to the utmost of my power the
thabliehmeete and their desire to reduce it and attack it
eittlreent of property within this realm as setablished
hy law, and I do hereby disclaim diaavow, and is le whoa why is not an oath imPnewl upon them
mid eiger'imly abjure en y intention to subvert the Well, the answer it this-it is not • question now of ion-
present church establishment as settled by law posing an oath for the lint time, it is • question whether
within this mho, ammo solemnly swear, tut I Dever those who ban taken an oath for 36 learn sod who have
via umiaa ae v privilege to which I ere ar may become done so at the conditioe of their ratite In the legislators
sow to "tomb or weeks. the prometent religion or 0 a protestant country, should owe to tithe that oath which
I government of the United Kindest." Now, they under the circumstance' I have referred to orthented
riatenathe who ask for an alteration in this part of to ten. If it were a claeiii" now of Imposing an oath,
very different oonsiderstioes might arise, but my
the nth my, " We oak that this part of the oath may le
swer is that, wisely or not, whether with sufgeinot war.
tithed because it is offensive in its wordlist r No. No an
bee. member has said that that pert of the oath le offend,. rant or not, it his been thought that protestant members of
this house do not recur to take an oath of this kind,
Sloth. Do they, then, my "It is idle end thane to make
whereas it was thought proper that Roman catholic tom-
s Mks that oath, because we have no itteotios to 'obese'
111 church establishment, or use any privilege we have or ben
'he" lath was teiellemietic to the reformed faith of
pro. this country should tabs the oath es • condition of sitting
say have to disturb the settlement of church
, sod no desire to weaken the protestant re swan
or ethstintion of the kingdom."
am obliged to my I uoderstand the letignago sin the house. P the right hoe. member for Limerick &D-
N.. here wen the questios pet by my r*ht hoe. fined (Sir J.
Pakington), and if he seye. that be will be satisfied with
teed °abduct of those bon. membeto who ask for an getting *id of us* oat ad kit pared tko
theration of the oath to be altogether different from that with which are thought to he afhaair• la fort,
then I two 1 can see no moon why those parts of the oath
I I have supposed in the other two thee The richt
but pal... will comet me if I ...ion. b„, i ..a.T. should not be repealed. retaining the part on which, as I
steed their know to be-.. We &mire to be fr... hen said. I lay eo moth teeth Bat, if on the other band,
that is not tee en, of the right boo. getitleman-sod I am
perfectly free, to subvert the church establishmeot if
bound to say Ido not think it is-I believe he donne, he
we plate, and if we can ; and because this oath
ii m impediment in our way we wish to be hat made no secret about it, to alter the oath to the full
hes from the obligation of it." (Geer, beer.) Am caret which be has proposed In his bill-then we ens vote
sone the question new just as well as in committee. If
night or not? I may take what happened 'within the has that he. the right bon. gentlemen's view, and that nothing
four weeks. Soon obserratioes of the right bon. gentleman
m the introduction of the bill were misuederstood ie mine will satisfy him but the removal ci thee: lassages in which
ted es the person Irking the oath swears he abjures the idea of
ditto usual organs of infortnetioe. He was
Sitng that h• had no desire to interfere wetaireaestab. euhrentieg the protestant hut:Witold of this realm,
heed church. What did the right bon. gentleman do? If I am bound to say I will cheerfully vote for the
amendment of the hon. member for Warwick, that
!mistake not, he emote • letter-which I bate not before we do Dot go into committee au the bal. (Merril
as, but I remember the terms of it-to
_tin jonreal
ditch had made that statemeet. in which he
am lean leave Lord E. HOWARD sald-I should never hare thought
to
contradict it. Be mid, with rege.rd to the ambushed 0 following so thirst a member of this house as the boo.
beamed gentleness who has just est doers with the
March, in England be did not wish to disturb it, so ena
long as the English people liked it ;bat that with regard view of making • IV"' I "Ply want to ray • I'm
weeds in explanation. The boo. and learned gentleman
it that branch of the established church in Ireland the
the the altogether differed, and as to it be reethocied-I f a Perttea rd hie erruhewt °Pen the assumption that
to whom be alluded, one of whom. I enco-
re the term with she utmost respect-tbs ides that be aweraerin
did tot wish to subvert it. (Hen bear.) . I am gad to __, ,„_vm,„__lny lamta, butyl. broiboocitsloto Duo of Norfolk)
kid that we agree so far. The object the as to get rid of ''''''w• oaken ee elm'w" en Individual es myself, wee one"
tbis part of the oath, not because it is idle or useless. but y prtheded, as we thought, from voting on
because it has • meanieg, arid is an obstacle in the way of ~;„°hs .eh 2.l"t"'''' on °°°°°f of ten ea* wigeb 7,.
....._,ha
that which they desire to do. But, sir, is that all ? I tied ""ea. "?'" "" upon that anantnnwen an arra"' 'l.'.
by hewn_ the oath es ft is we Midi be strengthening the
that to sasocistith bag been established within the hurt few
months in Dublin, presided over or patronised by • number eh! te4inhaM'ihnterit• New Ihse te laara that Ido net
think that was the yeasts whish ingsseosd my brother.
0 the prelates of the Roman catholic church, archbishops
end bithops, who hive made no secret of what its (Hear, hear.) I believe he thought that II was better taste
......not..,_to vokte,osi,
,ist.eiteausetioth sad that it was that
abject is. It is the complete sod total subversion
0 the established church in Ireland-their, bawl-6th it ,_"'""w"" w"'": Ln",.. „__,lliar eend___,___set• If Is my ie twitllr I
is s remarkable fact that the bill has been tabulated 0 " arraraew •"'' "'"" rely Parry• •• ray individual
capacity look further into this matter, and see whether I
this particular juncture. I god that teed the journals in ought not noir! my votes upon each questions &pipet the
Dublin made a statement which implied that the meths-
bon, as they undentood, had relinquished any agitation for ma" which re ele:tee,i intim" bee put. upon
the tubversion of the established church in Ireland. What in thosew"cm"uce..` 'w
'lt ' wobviotter r
tI" :rite luwortrol
the
thou 7 The wijte ef that latente,;.......thnt..;wihrites.k.te,„, this get oath • hoer* Bomads. a hear
press an • mare to me I ear, .)
that jnurnal and says this ...-" Oh_ e e. 0w.... ..........o-
It it not pomible tot initaDOO. that I might even stireoglbee
nets the direction of the policy of the asseeittioen-remam. the ~b.hfiehed Inch of Qto woozy ho voting ...kat
bier they were the archbishops and bithops of the Roman =re
tatholic church-"are unaniutects in their determination to church mt. 'mete a '
tee! (Hear bear.) Does sot the question - of
great im spinet the ettablished
have so compromise with the establishment or is advo- church of this country, and might not, therefore, the settler '
" 'Pare tie effert teaits erettoverthrow." Well' We
ant of thequestion give noreseed strength to that church ?
bane ad te
thus, at all emote, a very frank and fair too- modem, heer.l I beeo- however, new Toted .pipet chunk
(thin, both on the part of the debt boo. gen-
rates. became I felt that it was better taste not to do to.
Emu sad OS the part of than eminent ponces , think. that .....tebliebed aura, in ec, ...wet,. bow-
-1 hit owe faith in the sitar renetri, that n well it an
fouodedupen-law,is-aill-nore-- -111;otigi7
thdreweehrebat"a pw," „.th,whe rt.l._,,ematit „it„..hte in"red'..A ,if..eateLheaei o,4.the ;th"rnded upoomtle b.,. and minds and spiritual intends
oldbbuo- I-a io ro-obatoado in-' diii.'' ...1.4y0t —ihrt-oVhn.m7. of those who live in that country. (Hear. beer.) I think
that without oaths. without legal ithaeaments, without
Meer, hear.) Well, sow. each Deng the object, lam • • • •
*Wield to an myself this mimeo° : Is this oath any nfe.- thy of than things which bind the cooseienos of man, there
..., nay be • true establishment of a church ; and I think it
rawdeewa ?,.. aaFlas ii,,,lia.proved_ibLex.,Periane. and,,,Pnet_u lea a.ay. •••,ta' would he well if parliameet would in its wisdom salsa away
----- - -1"8-- °'-' °I. any "-r-m"" m "'s what it disagreeable to the tether of British gentlemen
law.dooY gi PnewiMeg "km for its overthrew ? That hi • whogive their votes with no lees loyalty to their sovereims,
of tut, ad we have the facto before at. How do end hies desire for the prosperity of the espies at large
gra, hoed? In the first gate, we have members of the ,;__nees Gemen heels here. mem hear.)
Remelt catholic, faith Milo 'king it worth their whin """'"
Six H. tratIRNS saidw La bred the weld* ld who Ind
to agitate for • repeal of this . join of the oath,
I go further just eat dowo would not for a moment suppose that
.he
from the motives I have stated. ' profaned to give from his own knowledge ao in
and inquire what is the offset of this oath as
..., ~,_ a_,_ absence of votes, of hie kite=
sores the purport for which it was intradneed ? I suppose "r;i;t7' """'", ca.
so meson can doubt that it was intended as • safeguard much obliged to the right
Mr. MONSELL aid he was
fee the protestant institutions of the country. It may base boo. baronet the member for Dmitri& (Sir J. Pakington) ,
been a wise or an mirth step ,but that multipurpose ' aid
and the hon. and honed gestleman (Sir B. Cairna) for
Widths been its effect ? We have hid it stated W thetheir methane but he could sot swept it.
floontory of State (Sir George Grey) that • noble dine, .‘,..e---. --, _ LA.
when he bad • seat in this hones, and his DOW relative who "'''" a 'e" w'""' from Sir P. '-""---•
The house divided, when than appeared-
boa a seat in this bouts, have both felt-I cannot cotheive For Foie! into committee
how they could feel otherwise-MA this oath was of alai- Aimed de
nay to prevent any ads& upon the established church. We
lave further proof to the same effect. An hoe. member On the motion of hir. Mosusx the Sponse then left the
hie alluded to a learned porton whom we all respect, Mo their, sod the hones went into cocoraittite on the bill.
Justice Shen The bowie:obis gentleman the mem. On the Mare being put,
her for Galway spasms to thank that Idr. Jar Yr. W IDE wished to know when the right hon.
tin Shee held that the oath admitted el great latitude gentleman proposed to noosed with the hall.
Of interpretatith, and intimated DL opinion thatpoosistemtly Mt. MONS e--Ou Thuile]. at 12 o'clock.
with the oath, everything short of the total destruction of Sir G. GREY observed that the proper time for fixing the
the church might be attempted. But what did the leaned day.would he after the Chairman had reported lorogrow.
Pima alluded to say ? " I have • clear oondetiou," be mr. WHITESIDE then moved that • Chairman report
said, "that catholic members, however strong may be their Mirth
impremion in to the expediency of retaining the oath. ought After a few words from Mr. SCULLY, the motion was
not to vote as long as a solemn abjuration of all intention timed to, ad the CHAP rem
reported
to subvert the church establishment. and • solemn promise Mr. WHITESIDE said Le shothlbelPgtrolea:?now whether
Dot to etercre any privilege to whioh they may be entitled thee Secretary of Stan for the Home Denteet would
for the turves@ of destroying the protestant nitrite. tow adopt the thno of the right hoe. glen the mem-
titne to be the otoditios under which th y are admitted to par her for kin (Mr. Hairnet), and take charge of tbs bill
liameok The faith pledged by these words has beenhitherto for the purport ol otheavouring to meet the views of the
kept inviolate." And spin, " Having made that abjuration house.
they are committed by it to • retention of the Protestant Mr. BOWMAN said be thought the house could not ex.
genteel Church, by these tempera ewe...ions .1;3,0104 post an immediate answer to that question.
to thure ite efficiency end themeintenerieTe 4-ite clergy io . Sir G. GREY observed that he was not going to miner
competence and honour." Sir, I belling that is a correct lt th PfeeleaL (Laughter.)
opnon with regard to the stringency of the nth. (Rear, 1 Mr. MONSELL said perhaps the best plan would be to
best.)i. And, of len
sa, Mr. Lucas. formerly a member of this I fix the resumption of the committee for that evening, and
tome, opted theran opinion, for be spare in the most ihe could then ente when he would proceed with it.
solemn way of the binding effect of the oath upon his coo. I nil arrangement haying been wanted to,
seethe, and said that, having taken it, be could sot join I The sitting was susperibed at four o'clock until six.
io say attack upon the established church. I tarot 1 Tye house resumed at tic o'clock.
mention names now, but 1 know thud there wit I
Rating in this house now, hot. members professing the i IRISH MAIL SERVICE.
Roman catholic faith-not 000 or two or three, but many Mr. DAWSON asked the Secretary of the Treasury
-who feel that this oath is binding upon their coothethe , when the alterations in the mail tenth between Dublin
to the full effect end meaning of the words, and that they and the city of Londonderry, as promised by the Poet-
ize tharefose prevented and precluded from joining in any mester•General in March last, would come into operation.
attack upon the established church or the proteetatit Mai. .1 Mr. PEEL said the attention would come into operation
Mous of the country. (Hear, bear.) Well, that being so, 'on the let Jely.
If this oath a- ' originally intended es • mi... srd and it I BEE OF RUPERT'S LAND.
. . . eat ...

oath was Ay in its effect it boa been coo for a period of at leant- 35 years,
I want to know—when the protestant population of the
country all but unatimously rely upon the effect of the
oath, and are satisfied with the operation of it—whet right
hare we, the protestant members of the house, to sur-
render that which was intended to be, and has proved to
be, a safevartl of those inatituttons (Hear.) The right

La sewer to Mr. G. Darr, e
Mr. CARDWELL said it wee within the knowledge of the
house that the Privy Council bed decided against the vali-
dity of the jurisdiction of letters patent to bishops in
colonies which bed independent legislature. It wee the
opinion of the government that after that decision the
whole subject of letters patent should be cousidand. sad

3LscrioN IN7ILLIOINCE.

beeallies naglegadwrile, *MAU rallies ef which
arelid hilbee • h Illse•hee2frialser wires
to law whether the etwasaleake re merle ire sums mum:L.-It is now doubtful whether tike
the ascesslaati Frenikat ishaege. It wee wade hoe We .n__,__, __, will ,_,._
place ~,,_ _,,_
that time. Int whaler the instrostioes coder whisk it ~--•=r2.=.2f= _7,„_': ,7,2„,!_ee_
____.
was mad* wee Weed by Presider Urea et Freeder ;17er:arir
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John's I em ace able is ahem Wis. • trtingaing as weed • areal rebels, anion\ Mr. Beira
Lord R. CECIL-I eadenterd the ride led a the hied reigned the esedidaten at Melds* far the papas of
of the &overeater to say that the former demos& ea the t_,_ k___„ whoa Mr. Bow halhast
goaorauy
subject of the karma had her eareyed is • sesespos. =7!". forward,
.
dear of wide!, a victim had how jefd bees„ petume„. ;A-9717 plukiecked to safest the ta dizelenumee lee/ ease es
I Irish to sib the noble lord what an the Wes, or at kW seeetwery Is
1867, has was disi7l.ll was
the dissolution of IMO by Mr. J.
what is the approximate period of that part a the arra w - -
speeders relating to the departs oe ewer el the Ale- hs;throparrYso.jawoadadroc. pawbeemiamewooarMinia'a tholltroulascca• lelleleatcole
bane, which has out beau laid before parlianasse.
Lord PALMERSTON-I am nimble eff-eand to rower ' alarlag walubara far North Bee".
the question cA tee eerie lord. I Csiurran.-On Monday evening $ meeting of
Mr. W. R. FORSTER-Is It not prate ter the Under- • the heads sad supporters et Mr. Beery Can Rakes, the
Swear for Forage Affairs, of erne other pence on the . ociasensine candidate for the repreasitatiee of the city of
pat of the government, to gin • more expire answer, for Chester, was held I. the Mesie-ball, which was crowded.
it is • matter of considerable importune ! There seems to A reolutioe in favour of the hoe. madidete was adopted.
be an itupreseion abroad-I believe se enfeended impree- I Mr. Wader* Muscled • wenn of his sommittee at
siee-that since the seassion of Presideet Jenson clams neon ce Moray, sod eaves read the reply forefeet to hie
al wear of she Alabama bre ben mad* is • different oommouritioa to Mr. Pontos, declared, as his sewer, his
spirit from what they we before. I rather think from the I teeratim to stand,
question of the noble hod tbas ails sot satisfied with the reply
of the noble lord at the head of theriversresea It is very
&arable that the mind of the ewer should be get at rest
epos this subject, sod if it be the area, en I believe it is,
that no fresh feature has been introduced tote the elsims
on account of the Alabama mod other ~eels daring the lest
few months, I hope the IJrider.fiseretary fee Foreign
Affair, will be able to state that distinctly.
Mr. LAYARD-The art ia very ampler The original
demand is that contrived in papers whirl were laid cm the
table of the bow last year, or at the sod of the previous
session. When lay oilier we has geese, whether sonar
or otherwise, of oomph captured by the dither, or other
thine of that nature, Mr. Adam in petting forward any
oleW. in that particular ere has reiterated the orgies'
Maim almost is the Berne taw sad spirit for the ag
lions committed by such varis. A abort time ago, Ute
---- -- the death of Preside= Lie/role, that dared was incident-
ally renewed in the identical words, and with the same
PAYMENT AND PENSIONS OF POLICE. meaning.
Lord It. MONTAGU asked the Under fkoreau7 of State The room for the •Ogaremeat was thee agreed to.
for the Home Department, whether the polies constables THE BANKRUPTCY LAW.
on duty In the Howes of Parliament, palaces, and public Mr. MOFFATT rose to all atteotioa to the report of
building., had been removed from the first to the third the select committee oo the Bankruptcy Act of 1861, sad
class ; and if eiy, for whet neon ; whether writable who the (misting state of the laws is repel to debtor sad
had bee in the forge for as long as twenty or thirty yaw creditor, and to move that, in the opiate of this how, the
were similarly treated ; whether they were prevented from report of the select committee on the Bankroptey Act of
oration!), to the extra anion fund • whether their re. 1881 deserve the prompt and beers sonsidoratice of bet
dation from the first to the third class would effect the yeirtfe eorethreet. The hoe. member said the affairs el
amount of the pension which they would receive ; and, what bankruptcy always appeared to the toementile community to
eats of certificate those who had been reduced from the be treated by that hone in a most unfortunate to
Grit to the third elew would we'd" for ewer leers' service them. The set of 1861 had operated in a most ansatislatory
in the government offices and other public buildings. manner to the 0001110r00 of the country. Before the passim el
Mr. BARING said that all the constables were of equal that act the number of bankruptcies so • year was 1,200, the
rank, but there were different classes of pay, which was debts proved amounted to 5,100,0001., and the mosey el&
owing to • recent arrangement. The constables employed leered to 1,300,000 f., being equal to about be. in the pewit
in the Houses of Parliament were paid as before the Ma- Under the preesot system the amber of beekeeper. hal
ration, namely, • guises per week. They were orlirluellr increand to 7,500, and of these beanies 5,000 sod 11,6110
in the first clue, but ie 1864 they became weed class, me yielded no dividend. Everyone operated with .rumen.
thui year in the third class. The reason why It had not hew now shunned the bankruptcy court. The debtor bad Waft
0,040 "mewl to imrc4" their Pay Wei that they ye' to do but make hL own agreement with the creditors. He
waived sciditioul allowances, which amounted to 7s. • week, could dictate him own terms, because he knew the creditors
They bad been offered the Whoa, if they Pissed, of One would not resort to bankruptcy, as the affairs weeld ge
lobo other parts of the farce at the highest rate of pay f there out of their hands, and the wets would be in/taken.
bat they preferred to remain on their present pay eta 11/11 small. The consequence was that we had • stereo'
allowances. With regard to pensions, thine who had alresey typed system. which might be ailed a thoroughly fraidn.
contributed to the extra pension fund would cattier to do lent system. - The amount of Weisser in the year now
00 ; but after • aerials date they would rely _be ello.ved to amounted to about 40,000.00 N., and only last week it ass
contribute according to their regular pay. IDO RUM 01 no leee than 5,500,0007.These „wee would show et the
certificates did sot &peed upon the rate of pay, but on the beginning 10s. or 15s. is the posed. hut the result is most
conduct of the men. cow we. that the median only got a divided of 3s. or
MORTALITY ON BOARD THE CLARENCE AND 4s. That state of things used not to 'fiat, and the
EARL RUSSELL explanation of it was to be found is the audition of the
Mr. KINNAIBD saked the Secretary of State for the present law. The committee on the subject, el wadi he
Colonies, whether his attention had We drawn to the was chairman, sat for two yean, and proposed • very re-
gret mortality that bad neatly occurred swoop the Waive schema of reform. Hs wished to know whether the
Coolies in their transport to Demerara, sad espely os government intended to 'propose any annodnier of the
board the ships Carew and Earl lluesell ; and whether preesot law, by adopting more or lees of the recomereads.
&auntie( could be done to reader the passage less tires of that committee, for the purpose of remedying evils
destructive to his, or so to escalate the emigration se to which were deplorable to the motoring community.
binder pewee being embarked who wore not ie sound Mr. ATRTON thought that was not a eavenient
health. time to discus the resolutions caf the committee, which
Mr. CARDWELL replied that his attention had been resolution, oontained the suggestion of distinct principles
drawn to the mortality which had taken place In three which had not heretofore been adopted is the system of our
ships, the Althea, the Clarence, and the Earl Reseell,whioh bankruptoyslaw. Our preset law was somewhat oomph-
sailed from Calcutta to British Guiana between November cated, and the changes proposed by the oommittee so !unda-
ted January. There was en examination by the colonial mentally affected the statute law that It was impossible to
authorities at British Guiana
reporter{ and in the ems of every or wry them into effect by merely an amendment act, and it
of these ships they there wee nothing to God would be neeeessry, in order to give effect to the concluding
fault with in the ships or provisions, or the wart of the resolution, to have as amendment and consolidation of the
outgoes' or metes ; and the governor Malatya all the law, which was a work of extreme difficulty.
mortality to • deposit of matter left by the inundation Mr. BASS said be was glad of an opportunity of thanking
awed by the eyeless at Calcutta, which did ansidarable the bon. member for Bonita (Mr. Moffatt) for keeping
injury to the emigrants in question. An inquiry was going this subject before the house. They all knew it was imp's'
on into the subject at Calcutta ; but with regard to the able to per a bill this Ned" but he thought that if the
general mortality, he wen happy to gay it had of Lte been Lord Chancellor, who, a they ell %new, was se familiar
stsegiily isolinlag. and was now not large. with this subject as he was with his moraine and err
POOR LAW BOARD. log prima, would introduce • measure before the seam%
In answer to Mr. limarr, closed it meta be ay:metered during the recess.
Mr. VILLIERS said he intended to Introduce the Poor- Mr. BEECROPT said he Wired bee. members on both
law Boer Oegatinews Bill ce Tae
sides agreed that the meat law of bankruptcy was most
unsatisfactory. In the grew of 1860 the government in-
NORTHERN PROVINCE OP NEW ZEALAND. traduced • oomprebensive measure for the reform of the law
Is answer to Lord B. Cam,
_„ of bankruptcy. Its prlaciple met with general approval,
Mr' CABDWZ" laid be bed set reaefred the Merl ae but, thrall opposed by no use, it did not rasa the upper
the governor of New Zealand cm la subject of a petition house. *hen they met the yesr
after, they all „mese,'
from Auckland praying for a separation of the northern tat the menus which bad met with so much sopped
provisos from the southern prosier The decision of the would be among the first to be introduced at the commence-
gereveme°° could not be given until that report was re' mat of the new session • but they were cheapened when
willed, but at "ma the 7 aaw a° reason to giveeeeeDrege they found that the consolidated measure wee abandoned,and
wet to any such papaw. • sort of patchwork amendment bill substituted fot it,
ROMAN CATHOLIC LOTTERIES. They found, however, they bad Hobeen's choice-that or
Mr. NEWDEGATE begged to ask the Attorney-General none. he bill pared with some amendments. It ferried
whether his sttentiou had been drawn to the very large air- part of the old law, and altered other we. No err
crakes of lottery tickets for the derail of wises ankles. mold hays been Wei more likely to lred to confusion and
Hs beg „volved them for the disposal of horses sad ear difference of daisies, and he heard froth Uwe who were
mare, sac., is aia of some Roman catholic olipme. (A Lush.) engaged in the administration of it that the law wig thrown
The hod bow largelyoirailated Prone?. tie railway mar Into such a state of Inextricable confusion that some parts
ponies until those . companies refused to at,„ll, ;ter et:ll:tit of it were rendered very difficult of interpretation. He
to luso arced, and they were now being sent through the %firefly Ilisii coy that the commercial community wee
post. Be wired to know whether the circulation of these much (legations& with the present law and practice of bank.'
lottery tickets was legal in this country. roptcy, and • thorough change was loudly celled for. The
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL asked the hoe. member to Leeds Chamber of t knomeme was against say attempt merey.
postpone his question until Thursday. to amend the law, or any change which would leave the wind
COLONIAL DEFENCES. big up of insolvent estates in the hands of any court or body
of offioLL whatever, sad was decidedly Vfavour of leaving
On the make that the house, at In rising, adjourn till such triad.* up hi the heads of th„rodito,o, and they
Thursday,
Mr. WARNER asked the flertere of Slate for the thought that no °hangs would be satisfactory or would par
ant further agitation of the question which did not
Colonies what was the understanding betweeo the home altogether e ;tit of he head
of *facie the winding up
grretk.,l2 ar iLitia.di,.. ,1./°°....imirdaP°lBlariii, 2:Persgay. i. W.I ifvsim„.iiiatiLvi of bankrupt estates, and tanner it to the creditors them-
-e..„„e.,„,i- -,-..,..„.--..._.,.. -r___---awk_ ~..---__ that any - - policy -,,,* •• 1 as was the case in Scotland. In fain, what the
•-- '''''-- ''''' '''''''" -- - -e- ''''e '''' '" Leeds Chamber of Commerce rally wanted was the insol-
Iba.„„A„,garrntat LairaXdu,i,kan tba,Kalae,""waa„, hh totally. •••••.i: 'Mt to the mart and the estate out of mart,
------ with --- -------- --e- -- -II- -°°' gentle- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL Waned that he had no
man bad said that the governor was Wag under ester &Amu_ whatever in mot aed, indeed, he had said
tire from bow and there re no probability of complice- I hofore i, the houses „ot her sates demonise, would
tier under it, as it was not a policy likely
_to lead to war. I undoubtedly recognise the duty of taking into their prompt
The colonist., however, ware al a rery_idifert_ota *Di"' ad mimes consideration the report a rho select committee
end they thought the Polley wee la.', te "'"`` SIM 1 upon the Lw of bankruptcy. Lod he was glad to fled from
g and some of ties, no doubt, were "'ma it should' expreserions used in the how that hon. members gamely
We ought an take care that, if war did slim? the colony wourrodin threes of the committee. The 000nsitteowere
should bard eo bear the whole expense of it ; and that ..;._ ___t ~,.., .. _ Bearable no y___ to mi.
if we didctra bap it should be of • voluntary charm"; I ci;e7;;.;r7Ml',:dli,:erf zn to ..--.7, but that ale.;
meemerinailag balm" upont ar by the policy of our own I S6tlld be a serious attempt mils to revise it thoroughly,
.He oped re was some understanding I ,_.,, , its principle and in Ita details, and to
Saawaaa the along and aba naaabar ennnarlaa an
ash. I ;To it upon such • footing se would give •
frau We had heard • good deal of the loyalty of "e I namable ground to hope that they would
egicsiats, but he entreated that .sort of loyalty which was 1 at least understand the principles upon which they were
• heeled by laxities. I going to proosed. The committee had recommended that
Mr. CARDWELL was sone that his bon. friend was the cotton of the court should as far as possiblehe removed
Ilea "'thud with the arYlasswea Ada he gave bast nitt I from the mere burner of collecting and dirtaibuting the
and the more eii as ha "Imam' ar. have "nadara wets, anclit made sow other important recommendations,
awa of aba Pralwaitinna contained io that explanation. His the wet material of which was, that imprisonmeat for debt
boo. Irked understood that he Lid down es a proposition should be entirely abolished ; that as • necessary sequel to
nbaa the "Paw" wain,aalaing the Kafilr w•Z.....nshould ',Abe that alteration the discharge given to Wolver debate
defrayed magi/ by mss. 00eabrle with a --- °°°-' I shield not at oboe operate, *rept in the event of the pay-
leek' ham la. colony. What be "said wal much 1 mend of • dividend of a certain amount. They also pro-
to the ocetrary. He referred his honourable friend to the i .
laid oo the table doting the present session, @bow- Paaaa.“--In ...trewto-ve-tf..7-ma fi- toßaa.....akraPt47 Court ell
that-wt..-
Psitsg i =Thee. sotiag ander inatineai*la from bar"' Zsist7-en .7 the•.'"..u.."
o".ouits...."He d transfer saga
'iro'w
had bee these inessures beet calculated to privet to eater • to the merila of thaw suemumeummiuse, hut
the risk of • Kaffir war by limiting our possessions to the ,
he measicemed them in order that they might attract sten-
Lek sad by aerial/ to the Kai' territory far settlement I tan and that the oriociples embodied in them might be
there, and alma giving them °lan for contentment, and di' I mandated. To do anything useful he wee mined that
sainiehisit the risk of war. His honourable friend mast tfasy mug proosed on these two grouadt
_ant. they
must
also know than the oonza of the present swim an sot I coneolidate the whole law, and, secondly, they must have
of Pastime" had heeD Weal for the purpose of lladadinj 1 the apart of the public opinion of the mercantile clams
the territory of British Herrera within the territory I 1141 .to ebb alterations which would no douse be.
the Cate "kw!, caw at the Wind* nun" adduced far raerodused ato • new ectee. It was therefore most
which was that it would be mon natural to call upon the he,_,. that thaj.:2_,,,, „ ____, ~_filli_
Cape colony to contribute a fair share of the expenditure :„, r;-,„„:;,_ ~_____lt' ;,P1T.7;172:= st -.7.
under the new arreareseat than under the old.. He was Iliad r"th"L'aairoa to "z7;07317:::" they st r :id'
not prepared to agree with his honourable friend that. ieViej„ likely to pool through e home. dist
as' a matter of course, the placing of native al' 'lntel hearts the next parliament t the attention of user-
faire more and more under- the control of rear f, _too wee o_rt_ carefully ;Dissected to the report of the
mutative institutions in which the natives had no Zieet ounsos:_7 '''''
share, wee the best means of preventing these difficulties ~ Mr. ocedres soul he was sure the seeseuetne sumuut.
wick the Wins. That must be a matter of judgment I 4.7
under all the eiroweares. If his hon. friend would re- °oil; ersawanwifiLrana_Lre_,all_a Saa."°llnaD_•... .1 ...._.°l the.,__A_Ltenr__DeL
ter to the papaw Lid upon the table during the pearl .of the hoe.- satisfaction. pa7itlaroasi""" e"reasolderha":4l=tet;
session, he would SOO that it had been the earnest desire, the meneatile community, and that he would find that the
both of the governor of the Cape of Good Hope and the . matter would be fully discussed in the various chamber, of
home government, to avoid all extension of territory, to .
soratiestmvaroscio.troahooptionthetbmoonnibtrye.prwaTheretiyawasumnomdimenum
bo-
oboos, thafroetier best caloulated to avert risk of war, and
the wet easily Oatmeal in the case of war, and to make , esti:say recast, and that aweepsng changes must be intro-
those friendly arrangemente with the Kaffir tribe which doer which would remedy the abnsge which now existed
would give them jest °elm ef °°°leall'eal arid P'•°°' 1 and which did discredit to our legislation. He treated that
THE ALABAMA CLAIMS. . the bill to be introduced would be worthy of the reputation
Mr. S. LEYEVRS-As some mirpprellepaian has been of the Attorney-Genera
canoed by the answer of the noble lord at t6he heed et-her The motion was then agreed to.
Majesty, government *e other night to • question pB% by LUNATICS.
the hon. baronet the member for Radnoll ire (Sir John Mr. ItIEXTE then rose to all attrition to some defects iu
Walsh), I wish to ask whether the oommunicanos which the law relating to lunatics, both as respects the adml-
the noble lord said bad been received from the United nitration of that law and the provisions of the law itself ;
Satagovernment with respect to the loges caused by the sada move an address for copy of any returns now in pos-
Alabama and other similar cruisers, is in any way mama. session of government as to English subjects now in con-
dictorytothe Wow and menet the despatch of Mr. Adana fieement in lunatic wales abroad. The hon. member re-
d webers leg% in which be real that in order to pee. feted to the or of Mary Ryan, as illustisting the sew-
sity of some improvement in the law._ In that case itwas
nerve amity and friendship between the two marries he been broken.
was instructed by his grefnment to postpone sty question found hat the law of Linsey had
which might arise to some future time, when it could be dig. though there had been a misdemeanour committed at °em-
ceed a.,ly and candidly. I ala with to Pa whether mon law in her forcible removal to a foreign country. The
that commentaries was dated before or idter the accession hon. member wee Prowedielt to point out other new" for [Advertisement. ]-110L1.0Walen PILIN.-Protmo-
of Mr. Johnson. an alteration of the law wan-
Lord PALMERSTON-I can only repeat what I mid on AN Hon. MUM= moved that the bees* be counted, sad itas=llL-1° the heed-tc'heed Eleseee• for (WWI". is
day, good health la everything. Bolinvers -
a former occasion that communications have been there being only 24 member present the hones adjourned. 1 inc,j4iaae potty Lathe plO. see adinbrin
going on between tee two mate for a consider- for meadows us L. elide whose per:Lona sstemaek
sotfly
able time past with to the captures made by Du Barry's
o delicious health restoring Revalenta performed t life itself seam most precadr,us. The
the Alabama and other ship of the same kind. i or inconvenience Dye. , its many Maladies removed by a judictotis nee et tuns .
• drab" F cum' without medial.* ashy, ' the torpid liver ts roused by them to ecti•m seerettee. led were
My boo. frieod wishes to know whether, in a recent nom- roraupgllgertleel. Cwiftb. "hetet CeesemPaleer 1M r •
on. Nervous, Bosons, Ulm% and flecauten emplane ether orpn antserrieg Marion Is *OR d Mies salami standard
mueicatioo, the identical words are repeated which were sad save afty time. its oat Is, other remengs. 60,000 cures and better fitted tor lb duties. It is it et,Oseinte to have a doctor
contained in • former One, iam not aware that the same „reir.-re Newry and Cu, Ns. 77, hemotemeet. London, W. at our elbow et ell seasons and place 8, bat these ills will sup-
words exactly are used, but the general tenour of the In tins, at i.e. lid.; lb„, eg, ig.. she. !roar a vomin...-- plant that loos, tor they univenalki ece in everl eh
emnsaimioatioos is of the same kind, and refers to the soma hdrostintswiti