The Express.
London, England, 1851-02-05 00:00:00

nun catholic ArchbiNhop of Irdrind had rafp'e, n• such, to

the Queen'. Walking-room

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Gazette by u bl:burainate in the htury of the Qll, n'it ewe!.
tioo, nod Lam lint preolred .0 tier, tul the ifiviief Roman
cal,..lirs honours to whieh they were not entitled. Whut

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I am showing, however, is., that there nsally was no
4 rotas of mot la:nt en the part of Roman catholic*.
Enasying civil and r• :ightur pelt lieges just as witch an
peetostants. what et:l,m hail they to complain of their
nt ? Will, in the midst of these otrurrences, this
Roman catholies having hail vicars apostolic in this country
for :foil years—hxt ing hail vi• are apostolic, and nothing but
Vietelt apostolic, in the reign of Jame" the Second, when
every one of the prineipal commoners of the King war a
Hainan catholic—what rand iielue• the court of Rome to
issue an edict declaring that this country was t s b.. divided
into bishoprien, and appointing an Archbishop of IVestmin-
*ter. of all placer (bear, hear): who immediately proclaimed
tool! thereto'', of 1 his country.. • slqie gavent and ;hall vontinuc
to govern the emtntien Of :did Ilsex, Esnex, and I fortthrd-
shire ? (near.) War that a I•pilitlLli 111:11,-re ? lit• WM/ the
lion. member for Ensex weposite to hint, find be would ask
him whither the pyulation consistent niensly of Roman
catholic.? (Hear.) It must ha owned that the wry
wools used, and the who's coostraction of the document,
appeared to imply a pretension to place these counties, and
all the counties of Englawl. under the away of the new
arelihishop. I might he mistaken in that VieW, but there
wto a person of ;mat einioente, horning and [dents with
mop. et to whoot we all deplore his having lett the pro-
ts 5........ t church t.nil joined the church of Morn.--I mean
Mr. Newman; and a hat did he say Ott thin ettlltleet ? hir.
Kea man said there hod scarcely ever before 111111 an M-
itotic of a net ion which, after having entirely abandoned
the elitlich of Wane, hail ....turned again to its ismonuni (((( ,
hut he wan happy to say that an example mat that. kind had
manurial in Ei• r eel, mid he says, s• The Ewslisli people
hate row re oieneil to oisalience to the holy See,"
What did tied meat? If the Queen had come
dawn to parliament as Queen Mary came, tend had
declared that the time war come when the nation
should return to the faith o: Rom- and to Oval'. nee to the
..... oi 'torn,. and if the Ilietee of Lint. and the Rowse of
tvon.aons, coneurrilet with lice hlajesty, had pansed :.n act
for that purpcse, that would hardly have gone further than
the dislocation of Mr. Nevem tn. (hear, hear.) But, to:-
y• 111.1 this, the usual organ; in this country and in France
not of the ',ton; ..n catholic party, to of the p ..rly a the;
ultra-montane Ilienan eethelles (h ats, hear), bad pro-
claimed that thin was on tut of great signifieance; they
lout declared that it did not ne.an merely that tlwro
were to he in England an on Ithishop and In, No
bishops, hut that there were to take the place of this Arch-
bishop of Canterlinry. the Bishop of London, nod all the
t eist Mg bishops in England. Well, I say it di l appear to
In, that we could not pass over is silence such au nousunip-
tion. I ask the hon. awl lie.e...arsil member fur Sheffield
whether his thinks that if it ling Len paaosii caner in silence
we ,hould not have hail saute other step fol-
lowing it? (Ilene, bear.) I can easily imagine
what steps would have taken place, thowta it in
rut now ute.ssary to stet- them ; but I believe that
the 0041,111 Willa% tut, Leen expressed sio generally,
oi only universally in Emigre, ten the part of the members
of the Church of Englund, and on tb. tutrt of the gnat ma-
jority of the protestant dissenters, must haves eonvincinl not
wily the Rowan catholic, of Englund, aho I really Iklievo
v.isitel no such step to Ise taken (hear, hear), bat also
the Bonet of Rome that thin country of Engiand is really
not a Roman catholic but a proosstant country—that it it
really a fact hOWI•Vef (Trevor.: the prati•stunt religion may
h.'. that the great body of the people tifthiseinuitty our oro-
tesdaels. Sir, ifthat is the elf -I of th • re stain ions *hick have
h. 'it parred, awl the. addresser which have lure presented,
by that national declaration alone we skull, I think, have
hasell ourselves from any attempts on the part of the court
of Rome which might lead to forth. r collision v.ith the par-
liament rod the people of thin eanutry. (Ileac, hear.)
Sir, I have said that I believe the Roman eathoEto of Eng-
land generally did nut wish for this change. Out looking at
the papal documents 1 find the vie iv-upostolic Wavy . put
forward; that throe vicars-apostolic wished to hr coma
bishops, with tiths taken from sees in thin country,
I weatese certain solvontages, certain powers over m.adowmeuts,
certain privilege c nut taloweing to them us vie ie. apostolic,
would be possessed by them if they could establinli themselves
as bishops. This may be a very good rearm a liy the vicors-
aportolic might wish to claim these titles, but I believe that
the lay Roman catholic.., of this, country although when
the measure war taken they could hinny repudiate it,
neither wished for it before it was takeu, nor approve of
it at the preseut time. I have Well told 5.1.. not by pro-
testant-, but by Roman catholic priests; and I Is.lWve that
we now stand in a position in which we can adopt m. astute
that will he satishietory, wit only to protestant-. but also to
those loyal Itionan catheher aho wish ta preserve their
allegiance to the crown unimpeothed and unimpain ii
(cheers), and who dread the prevalise, of those ultra-mon-
tane doctrines which have in every country in
Europe beta opposed by every Roman i idiotic who
has cherished any rem. rd for freedom. (hear, hear.
(Rear, hear.) The hon. Metelke for Kent (M.. Plumptre
has warned me (hut in il, ding with thin subject I shout
bear iii mind the very strong le ntimeuts which arc enter-
tained with rescued to it, and should not fall rhors of tho
expectations of the people of this country. I shall be pos.
prod. to propose a measure as strong aa my. UtVII convictions
head me to consoler necessary. I shall nut veld ta Iltlyetle Ott
that subject; I shall not bate any part of what I think ne-
eessary; hut, on the other hood, I cannot introduce measures
which I consider to go beyond the occasion, or which
would in any way trench upon what I think due to the re-
'igloos lihert v of all ekesses of her hlajesty'ssul•jects. (Ileac.)
I shall wadi:ran it necessary IM this occasion to say more on
this topic than that I consider the present authority pos-
sessed by parliament in fully sufficient to deal with the
whole of these trunractionn, and the questions arising oat of
them. I believe that the specific measure I shall on a
future day prop's.: fur the adoption of thin house will bo
found to tend to the establishment of harmony anti good
feeling among all the various classes and professions of
I +hall nut now proceed to enter upon any length-
Christians in this country. (Hear, hear.) flit., on this
account,
toed reply to the remark,. of an hon. men den. who has pre-
ceded me in this debate, and who said that I had employed,
in a letter of mine, certain language insulting to the feel-
, Mgr of his Itonsart catholic fellow-subjects. I, beg
to declare that I have nicer insulted the feelings
of my Roman catholic countrymen. I made sumo
observations, and to them the honourable gentleman
seems to allude—observations which I thought myself fully
authorised in offering, but which hail reference, not to theft
,to whom the hon. gentleman would apply them, but to a
section or body of the church to which I myaolf belong.
! (Loud cheers,) The matter of those obsenatiuns may have
been right, Or it may hare been wrong ; but Idu of conceive
that any candid Roman catholic, on perusing them, would
' feel that they were intended to apply to bine. Ido not
think it was fair in the hon. gentleman to find an applica-
tion for those observations in parties fur whom they were
never meant; but it in sufficient for mu to state, that in
making them I used no stronger terms than I had heard
the bishop of my own diocese employ in speaking of the
sumo body in our own church. (Bear, hear.) With
respect to the present condition of this grave gun-
lion, I shall be prepared to state on Friday neat
what that condition appears to us to be, and udist
is the nature of the remedies a herewith w.,
to meet it. That measure will be general in i .1 .t.
to the whole United Kingdom. (Item., he • knew tit...,
him been doohted whether, *A what has ' ; this
would be so. I know it bas been surmised tebne *.. .o'n
of the united Ring4mt would be mein *tali. 're,
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such is not the het. It never has been • tolgopyloi
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