The Express.
London, England, 1851-07-05 00:00:00

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I MEN'r. had been appointed by the house to inquire into the su,ject i
1, of steam communication between England, India, China, •
and Australia had made their report, and had recommended I
HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAT, JCLY 4. . that the route of the Cape of Churl Hope should be deter-
Tae Luau Ca tsent.t.oa Wok hie seat at tire mined ua. lie widied to know whether it was intended to ,
Vtioca. cirry out that recommendation, and if so whether tenders
•
. would be advertised for?
' . The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said theri.,re
were a good many points of detail connected with the
port. Tbete had not vet been conbtlerA, and he could not
therefore say anything detioite on the subject at present.
-- - liC ME said the right boa. baronet would be aware

PETITION PRESENT ED.
NIASTrale JUUl,4litinlO3ln Ettl4ITT 1.111.
10c01.. Lard
IlltuCtillAM, from solicitors and pructors inon,
in roma of jibs bill.
i%IAsTEItS JURISDICTION IN EQUITY DILL.
t):1 the motion that this bill he read a second time,
leird LYN DR I ILSE said that a bill similor in principle
bail already passed, and was in operati in in Ireland, and
it had been productive of the tiliot results. Ile
had no doubt that such would be the effect in thh, country
of the passing of this bill ; and be thought the law en
both couutrio, should ha assimilated.
Lord C RAN WOlt 111 said, the effect of the bill woeld
las to create tea new j.iolites, and almost CPC!, CAM: brought
o. let
into the clout • of Equity unitht, under the. bill, es
hated before the Masters, and be eirried on la private. Ile
41..1 nut wick to oppose the bill before their lordships, but
it required great considefation.
'1 he bill was then read a Pecund time.
SMITIIFICLD 11AltKET REMOVAL DILL.
Lord lIKAUMO.N r, pursuant to notice, rose to move
that the stimaliag orders, with reference to the Smithfield
et bot Iterouval Rill, be disp, nsed with. Ike bill WU
one id great public interest, and lind assumed a public elm-
railer. Its idlest WAS to get rid of a ore it public nuisance,
un I to confer ou the public a considerable benefit; and ha
f.A. confident that tiwir lordships would. nut wish to pr:ventr
the bill from p•sling hecnuou MOUle technical rule o
f thei
h 11.1.! might not have been complied with. Thu
coin., he intend—l to pursue would not 4: actinic the hate-
re.
rest. of privet: parties in the future progressed' the ha
t
The object of nub, being given to parties interested was
to iirc,eut their being taken by surprise. I'uhhc notices
were to he given of private bills because individual, inte-
rested should know that their interests were to he affected.
Rut, in the ease of the corporation of London, no complaint
could elist. The manure was one of such notoriety that
tier, one inte,st...l in it must have hail notice of it ; it had
be••ii oi canvass, d ink public prints that it wa, ill.l4llftl te)
that all par tut, rested had not had sufficient
public notice. It tea, the constant practice to suspend
the stewing orders where no injury could ue done
to private parties by such a course; and unless
this c pursued their lordships vrout,l be the
very slaves of form. The suspension of the standing orders
in this ease could uot affect the parties complaining, Anil he
thendore witisl their lordships to agrev to his suution.
Lord 1110/1:41/ %LE thought, a., a matter of form, and
in jintici: to the parties tomploining, the house ought to re-
sist the motion.
esAny bill afficting private
it ioterests was,
owent such iiit..rts, a privote bill; and •if were not so,
priv.ite property woobl be ceps...el to great peril. When the
ntaudiii4 iwiier, were busperoted in any bill, it was generally
or .....eoinnaen.tation twin the standing ur-

Mr. ._
that a contract for one of the packets to America expired
nest month. The expenses connected with these packets
were au enormous that he th iu;itt they Should avail them-
selves of the American steamers, and in this way they might
eave one-half of the heavy charge.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was not
aware of any contract bein; about to expire.
Lord NAAS wished to km iw if the line by the Cape
would be adopted.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
nothing hail yet beenRITISH GU IA determined on the
NA.subject.
B
Mr. G. BEILRELEI rose fur the purpose of putting the
question of which he had given notice to the Under-Seere-
tory fur the Colonies.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—He is not
in his place. (A laugh.)
Mr. G. BERKELEY—Then will it be understood that I
am at liberty to put the question when he comes into the
house?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—No, no.
Mr. G. BEItKELEY must thou ge on, and perhaps the
noble lord at the head of the government would have the
puttees, to answer the question. On a former occasion his
Yon. friend the Under secretary fur the Colonies had stated
that the inquiry into the condition of British Guiana was
not an net of the government ; but from a report placed in
his hand* by the Under Secretary for the Colonies that
morning, it epos:area thaa the commission of inquiry had
been appointed by his Excellency the Governor of British
Guiana. The report was one of very great importance, and I
had been printed in the colony in January, 1S A, but hail,
out yet been laid on the table, for what reason he did not
'
know. It was, however, an extraordinary fret, that •
despatch of Governor Darkly, subsequent to the date
of publicrtion of that report, and which qualifies! the report
and ventured to gainsay its extraordinary facto, hail been
laid on the bible. Governor Darkly in that despatch, stated
that if the inquiry had been taken at a later period, the
commissioners would have greatly qualified their report.
Now, he (Mr. G. Berkeley) could not understand why such
a despatch should be given and the report be withheld.
He was convinced that unless the sulfuring! of the people
of that nsaguilicent ca:ony were laid fully before the house,
they had 11.1 chance of redress, and if redress should happen'
to be withheld, the colorists might be justified in asking
that the colony he severed from this country.
Mr. HAWES replied that there would be no objection to
lay the documents asked fur on the table.
PRISON DISCIPLINE.
In answer to Sir J. PAILINGTON,
Sir G. GREY stated that government were willin; at
the earliest convenient opportunity to carry out the recom-
mendation contained in the report of the committee on pri-
son discipline in reference to the estaliiishment of district
pleas where Certain criminals might be confined in place
moving transported. Ile hoped that at no distant period
they would be able to apply Dartmouth prison to this pur-
pose. Ilia attention would be called to the subject during
the reel**.
l'OOlt-LA.W.—LAW OF SETTLEMENT.
In answer to Sir J. PAX INUTON,
Mr. BAINES said it was his intention in the early part
of next session, should lie be then in office, to introduce
a bill on the .uhjeet.
TILE ESTIMATES.
Colonel SI Ilf BMW asked the Chancellor of the Elche.
quer on what day it was intended to proceed with the
estimate*?
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER. hoped
that the bill which stool on the paper that night (the
Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill) would nut occupy much
time, fuel alter its disposal he would be able to say ou what
day the estimates would be taken.
&r B. HALL asked when a certain estimate and account
connected with the work, of the Court of Sewers would be
laid on the table ' • and, also, whether he was to hive the
(original report which ho hail some time ago moved tor
respecting the Vieturia-street sewer ?
Viscount KIIRINUTON said the reason why the esti-
mate and ucermut of expenses alluded to by the lion. mem-
ber had not been presented to the house was simply because
there were some matters in dispute between the contractors
sad the COlllnliSaiOn. The other question of the hon.
baronet had been asked before, and had been sufficiently

in colisegorse, of a recomniem.soon •• .
dors committee; whereas, in the preseut CAW, they hod reoin•
au, poo the bill, because the standing
orders hot nut li ,en complied with. Nothing could llare 11,11
more ease than for the gov,runient to have given the usual
wow,. in No.-miser. reatiug the curpurotom of London
as private noliviau and looking to necessity of up-
holding and maintoining the slap Lug c
urlers—ta: opposed
the motion.
Th. Marquis of LANSIESWNE said the noble lord
might hire dune his duty as eboinaan of the standing
order. committee, but, valuable as the standing orders
were, the house never intended to make itself so much the
stove ut its standing Orden as to forego every inducenrut
to public good, anal make all the requireiniata of society
give way in the necessity of complying with its matters of
Corm. (Ilear, 11.:111f.) It Was neetosary to SOO that
every mm in the metropolis obtained me.t in the best
and ebeopst w q ; and n bill seeking to effect such an ads
jeet sand In a public bill. Ample notice had been given to
the corporation of London, aad every in. on. had 11.1.V11
alf .e,h•d of en ,Ming Coon to know *hat was intended by
r Majesty's government; the notice, in tact, boil been
more efficient thou if it had been given in
a private bill. The measure hod been lung be-
fore th • public ; and the feet of notice,. nut having
been advertisisl iu Novellaher would Dot surly be made
the ground of setting :tool,. a measure of an ilillairtalltl/111111C
• haunter, the ooltit.rt of which was t.) ilestr .y an injurious
nomalsily, and router a gr.'at bor fit on the polls. (Ileor,
h. Airy Voldie opinion and putilie intends must nut lie
...risen( t,, the *Viet observance of standing orders.
(11. ar, hear.)
'l' he Duke of RICIIMOND was SOrry to be obliged to go
with his noble friugg.l 1it.1111.1 hint, because he tliought Use
pre., oil market was most ineonrenient, both to the egricut.
hired, and to use public. (Ilea:, hear.) Dot he wanted to
boost why the stooling orders had nut been complied id&
1.•-t the 1.11 he thrown out this year, and the stasiiag
order. Is co untied with neat year, and he would then sup-
poi Die government.
E iri 1 1 ItAN V I LLE felt the necessity of reepeeting the
at loan; orders of their lordships' house, bet this war a
tall la great public importance, in which he thought they
ought to be dispensed with.
he Margins of SALISISCIW opposed the motion.
Lord ItN. \tl NION'I denied, that, by assenting to the mo-
tion, they would cost the least reflection on the standing
nubs committee. 'Elie only duty which that committee
had
terforni was to report on facts. In the present ease they
had reported the result .1 their int:cr.:oh on into the facts,
and it was fur tit.,: lordship; to decide whether justice or
111111stier would ho done by eumplyinr; with the re-
ellayant•Mlatigin 14 the committee ; hut whatever
tiara lonbillips' derisiou might be, it would in
no s,y Alert the ehararter of the Loam:the.
'1 he Earl of DEVON argued that the noble lord was not i
corn et in ...jam that the committer of ,don.hig milers was
0111) 4, illotalry 100 facto, fur it luel beet, the ciedoin for
111. ill to rerommend a venom to the house, and if, 111 their
ut on, the justice of 11 ease demanded it they would re-
notimend that a bill should not be proteialed with.
Lord IlltOt: till ANI deprecated a chute on the bill
*ben their lordships were merely giving their judgment on
tic inutiou of his noble friend fur dig, 'using with the
CI making orders. All would hare ample opportunity of
esoreseing their ut • • us whether for or against the tee 1
naval of the market. Smithfield was a public'
nuisance, and, as a nuisance, might be proceeded
11.,;,111111t. And eseepting cumin rights which he should not
tiler to, it OM a qnstion whether the corporation could
nut be proceeded against ter keeping up the nuisance. It
ass not only n 111114 ale' a, a market, but from the conse-
quences which hilloweil in the thorouglifores healing to
ant from Sinitliti.+l. Ile should tote for his noble
tr. motion.
lo,ul It 6 DESD ALE said it hod always been the practice
to mind- by the report of the stooling orders committee,
mid if their lordships now depart..l trout that practice it
o mkt be the bedtime. If the report were set :wide it would
op I the dour to irregulority and future injustice.
'('heir
lordships then ilia i,l“1, sad the numbers were:
Fur the motion
Against it
LAND l'Ultt'llASE F eNlis (11dELAND)
DILL. _

upleined.
THE ELECTION AT GREENWICH.
Mr. Li. HERBERT inquired whether the workmen in
the Greenwich and Woolwich Dockyards bed received a
holiday en the occasion of the late Greenwich election
and if so, whether they had received their pay for that

Lord BEAUMONT nomad the second reading of his bill
beariug the title of " Parehase of Lands Facilitation, by
means of Trost Funds (Ireland) No. II Bill " Ile slid not
profane to give power to trustees to deal with trust money
a. they ought not ; but only asked for the trustee power to
plot, t the trust. Ile idso inked their lordship+ to allow
~,,, Rey to be lent in Ireland on the same terms OW in
England where thee: was the right of foreclosure;
while in Ireland the trustees could not help themselves ail
the ttttt rtgagee in England was able, because the Enrinir
hired Estates Act had given power to subsequent creditors I
to throw the estate into the market. lie proposed tif
give IMPART to the trustee to 'sell, us he ought to b'
able to do so when the market was goal, us, if he could sill'
then, the money could he paid up. Ile hoped, if parliament I
mitutioutsl the principle of his bill, that its operation email
enable trust,s to realiise the whole amount of the mortgage. I
The Encumbered Estates Act was furring sales, causing a I
glutted market, and excluding purchasers. Ile proposed also'
to enable trintets to lend money to a person wilin?!
to buy, but who had not sufficient torsos of
his ..sra ni go into the Encumbered Estates Court and pur-
chase 'floss the sale of property would ?,.. faeilitatisl and
desert ing putt., assisted ; and to this portion of the bill he
underststal the Lord Chancellor of Ireland could see no
oltretiona it hate pmf
LOKI) t'II.INCELLOIL said h: felt it his duty to
mils • this measure. The people of England have ever
bs.keil to that house fur the protection of property, but this
hill was a departure from that principle. 'Their lordships
were now tOlll that not one fartiiint of the money lent by
England to Ireland would ever be refund,' unless the pre-
sent bill were passed. lie concluded by moving, as an amend-
ment, that tbe.hill hr reads second time that slay six months.
The I:ATI of OLENtiALL supported the hill, upon the
ground that it was likely to effect some good in the sitter
c try, whereas the past legislation of that house had
to tided seriously to destroy the value of Irish landed pro-
perty.
I. od IIEAU Mt/NT having briefly replied,
Their lordship.) disi led :
For the second reading
A dainst it
The bill was consequently lust.
SURVEY OF tiIIEAT BRITAIN, Ac., BILL.
This bill was read a third time, and passed.
lIAINACLT FOIIES I' BILL.
This bill was also read a third time. and pawed.
Their lonlshipt adjouru:d at half-past 4:Ten.

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0011.75 F. OF CONIMONS.—FRIDAT, JOLT 4.
The Sram4klc took the elute at 4 o'clock.
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TOMO RVADINtI. -Hartlepool and Port (construe-
tam et nvw pier, dc.)
CossioculTlON or UMW,. AwsNomzurs.—The lords' ,
antrodwarnts on the following bills were considered and i
soared to ..—tir.nt +Southern and Western Railway (Ire-1
God) ; Western Railway (railways to soonest the
Birsiouckara and Oxford Junction Railway with the Lon-1
dan roil North Wistrni Railway at 13irmin,:ham, de.);
Taw Yak Railway nod Dark Minsders' Widows and Or-
phans' Fund of th, Frs. Closreh of ttrothind.
CONSIIMAID. Caledonian Railway (0i
Oarolairk, awl Coatbridge, Pallor and Govan, kca.llC-
ways) (mu,ndincnt and
lAU continuation. RESS.S) Bill.
R SIN
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
Mr. C. LE .CIS unwed that the bowie at Its rising do ad-
journ till Monday neat.
eSTEAM COMMUNICATION WITH AUSTRALIA.
Vis--ount JOCIiLYN stated that the committee which

dny ?
Sir F. BARING said the workmen had received no ho-
liday on the occasion in question. When they received
holidays it was not emu iroary to stop their pay.
THE NEW HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir E. N. ltlr XTON asked whether it was intended by go-
vernment that the house of parliament now in use should '
bo pulled down until it hail been proved that the new cham-
ber would he suitable for the sessions of the House of
Comics ?
Lord J. ItUSSELL said there was no intention to pull
. down the present house until they were satisfied, as lie
I hoped they would be, with the accommodation in the new
house. His noble friend at the head of the Woods and
Forests would see that this seas attended to. Atter this
weak he proposed that the house should meet on Saturday
morning to go on with the bills on the paper.
FAILURE OF BANKS IN IRELAND.
Mr. REYNOLDS inqiiired whether the Secretary for
Ireland had been made acquainted with the circumstances
connected with the failure of a number of banks in Inland,
which it had been supposed were under government seen-
rity. Ile (Mr. Reynolds) had received a communication
from one of the unfortunate sufferers—a farmer, who had
loilgtsl in one of these banks the entire savings of a long 1
lite, the sum amounting to 3061.
Sir W. SOH ERN"' LLE said he had heard nothing of the
matter, but would make inquiry.
WOODS AND FORESTS.
Lord IW XC AN asked why the annual returnof the Com-
missioners of Woods and Forests, which ought to have been
laid on the table on the Stith June, was not yet laid on the
table.
Lard Si:I73IOCH said it would be ready in a few days.
TILE PHARMACY BILL.
Mr. WAKLEY said on Wednesday last the Pharmacy
Bill was read a second time.mi the understanding that it was
to go into committee on Wednesday neat pro forma, fur the !,
porpose of introducing certain amendments, and that it was I
not ti lie further proceeded with thisll4.,oioll. Now lie believed
the Convoy of l'hysieians and the College of Surgeons had
but one objection to the bill, and were willing to agree to
it if that objection were removed, and there were nearly ;
30,000 chemists and druggists in favour of the bill. He;
salted the right hou. baronet the Secretary for the Home ;
Department whether, under these circuinstmecs, he would I
be willing to waive the understanding that was come to in
order that un endeavour should be made to pass the bill into
a law this session.
COMMISSION OF SEWERS.
Mr. R. OSBORNE said perhaps the right lion. gentle-
man would also 'tate whether, as the act constituting the
l'oannission of Sewers expired this session, he would intro-
duce 3 bill to continue it, or would he constitute the com-
mission in a new shape ?
Sir 6. GREY said that with regard to the Pharmacy Bill
if there were no opposition to it, he did not apprehend
there would be any objection to its being proceeded will;
but from what passed the other night, he apprehended
there would be opposition to it. With regard to the other
question, the Sewers Bill would be brought iu at au early
period.