The Express.
London, England, 1865-03-24 00:00:00

[5, FRIDAY EVENING, MARC'S ?4, 1865.
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ell, the
.sable. If the question were whether Hegira was to . Canada ouloktunautder.ordinery circumstsece:id.horl4 . ,his
usdertake the defence of the Canadist frontier, he would nec.essery, 1 000 fighting mon into the fi
ties. and
admit that the thing wee impossible, but the 40. 1 pip
ulaNu of is a very Metall:Med Perth' .
peeitiOn With merely that we should fortify e. midge exlesordinary circumstances It would do econetbing
bet, not for the Mum of Canada, but for the more than bring 100,000 men into the field. Some of the
seourity of our troops wb• were Maimed ia that , bon. gentlemen who have spoken cis this subject
eeerery. (Hear, beer.) Al to gunboats, the comedians 1 sum to have no idea el the Wristlets and
suet supply them, bat we should seed anthers acid erdirotent 01 Patriotism If their blood Wail DP it
give them every macerate:Dent to establish dockyards , would be more likely that they would bring 200.000 men into
along the lakes. He reithe remismens shown by ; the geld. Now, suppose that you bad 200,000 aillitisi
New Brinarick, aied tlt should be made clear to men, qualified by their habits sad eonstitution to attain a
that eolony that the in Is mast rely upon their own military excellence. stones have 1100,000 Eighties men, asp
inertia. bat is the lowetions be medially supported the ported by • swim el strong plum, Ido not gin it as my
vole which wee then before the committee. opinion—that would be abeard—but I have it on the highest
Lord BURY believed that if the proposed works in 1 authority ill tams =Herat that • series of strong Places
Canada were not competed for three or fur mars to i supportieg an army is 'gear to ourthird of the whoie toms,
emu, they would be padectly in time. The right hoe. Iso that you win have In effect 300,000 fighting meg. (Caen.
rmideman (Guaira peel) had been very sarcastic epos the end •• laugh.) 1 say that 300,000 agates inee, or a force
proposal for mute, • point d'appui at Quebec ; bat the ordwilent to that. &dial owa) deferivedr. is equal to
meth muter of the art of war wss not coesidered those hosts which the right beg. gest/wean Us brought
lis loge done anything derogatory to the arms of into the field. The right bon. gentleman has settled the
Hyland whoa he so
the lines of Torres cam
gig
confess, with the utmost facility. If campaigue
V (Hear, Use) Quebec was however, ow could be settled by chopping logic the right bon. gentle.
lie wroseg side of the river for modern and man would be the greaten moue that ever existed.
would require the defog,» of socoredve hoes of ea 'works (Peers and laughter.) I remember hearing the Duke of
Ito ruder It tenable. Not this to Quebec, in importance Wellington say that them were very few mu who could
was Nearest, bemuse by way say invader must enter me the end of a °mirage ; and we know from our owe
Canada Its poeition, however. was such as to ruder it knowledge of what bee bappseed is the world how doubtful
easily defeusible by means of a nucleus of English troops, bay* been the issue of rampages. What as made them
assisted by the Canadian mint* and some guaboats rot The resisteom of fearsome—the extraordinary tbs.
stationed a. little below the,
town. Of COMPS rooter and medal of individuals, as we saw in the cue of
it would be out of the question to preterit the whole Sebastopol, who have soddenly risen up sod battled the
frontier of Upper Cansda, which was 1,400 miles beg ; advance of ontwlnoring armies, and throws het* the fete of
but the two poets be bad meatimed were capable of sir war for a year or two. These are the circumstances which
Tree: and as the means of the Oulu, increased Niagara, Liam is a date of war, which boa always been admitted to
Toronto. and perhaps Keynes might Mahe fatified. be proverbially doubtful, and I cannot but believe
Mr. W ATKINS maid it &Misted him to her the noble that hewn the number ci the popalaticie sed their spirit
lord speak of the United States as " the ices •" (Hear, what we know they can do—wbat I Meek under circus.
bear.) He very much doubted the policy of the vote, dances of excitement they would do—l cannot bat believe
which be repaed as too snit :tat cos
fideue to the that so lug as their oonnenielt with Eogland Is tae
Caciediaaa, sad yet quite large to !scream say feel. and that they are enoursged by the prunes of the
int of irritation that mieht exist cc frostier. anion of our country, the resistanos of the Camden.
Mr. HA LIBURTON awned that this might have would be very considerable, and that the result would not
turned out • very ineoevenient debate, if it had taken the be that which is forums by the right ban. gentleman.
very incoovenient form which many had anticipated—that (Ch.)
the vote proposed by the noble lord could not be sasented to Mr.eers CARDWELL said that since be had come into the
without suiting a feeling of hostility cm the part of that house hp bad received • deepstele from the Governor-Gueral
coluitry against whose aggreedoses we wore about to naked,- of Canada, confirming the agreeable reports osetaised in
fence. He wished to disabuse the Wads of bon. reembseess to the nierniog mum to the effect that a telegraphic message
the protability of war with America. Sixty wintersbad pseud bad reached him from Mr. Burnley, our e d'afferree
over his bead before he removed to this country, and hence at Wubington, states that •" the Secretary of State
be might be supposed to know something of Canada and (Kr. Seward) had informed him that hie govern.
something of the people. (Hew, beer.) Be had sot the (
meet intended to withdrew its notes for the
least idea list the As
They wished or intended to go to abrogation of the treaty of 1817, sod Mug the
war. (Hear, hear.) They were too maidens • people Peas Port oyster would ease isoasedtetele.” (This so-
ber that ; they knew their owe intense too noupeement was hailed with • gamma burst of cheering.)
well They knew too well their utter inability Mr. Lowe had said no one had maintained that Canada
to attain the object they dethed—namety, the an. could be defected ; bat he (Mr. Cardwell) should rather
pewee of the British proeleca, There were two eery my that till Mr. Lowe rose the demon= had been almost
suffloisot reasons which kept them from entertaining such satiety as one side in favour of the proposal of the govern.
• foolish prefer& The noble lord who spoke just now merit. He appealed from the *pintos of Mr. Lowe to the
alluded to the debt of America. It MIS quite true that opinions of great military authorities including American
the debt of America, taken with It. interest and till its officers, that Canada was capable of defence, and its pops.
etceteras, was larger than the debt of this country. Well, Igen were now prompt to defend it.
if they made pews with the Secessionists, use of two things Mr. BRIGHT said if Mr. &attack divided the corn.
meat tithe plane ; they more repudiate their debt alto• mete*, he should go into the lobby with him. He oh-
Esther, or they must submit to be heavily taxed tor the jetted to the rote, bemuse the main portion of the 'ipso-
josaist of it; awe won. Now, if there was a mummy divan for the &Noce of Colada was to be borne by the
which was Impatient of tamales.- and which always bad colony. He protested against the doctrine that the oabi-
been impatiens of mutes from the earliest times, it was net of Loodos they get into • war with that of Washing-
the United States—(hmar, bur)--so ninth iso that every ton, and Oartedit be made the hattle-lield. this country being
expedient of borrowing, every plan of raising money by loan entitled to cell upon Canada to bear the chief part of the
at a high rate of interest, had been adopted in pride/epee to expenditure. If so, what advantage was the connexion to
that taxation which they loathed. (Hear, bear.) There. Celled& ? There wee so prospect of • war between
fore there was • great security is that, that they were not America and Canada aloes. Why should the Canadians be
able to go to war. They would not be able to go to war if taxed for • troller not Cesedien ?
they repudiated the debt, which was mislay due among Lord PALMERSTON wee 80117 he could not have the
their ewe , far thou their owe people would vote of Mr. Bright; but be thought, after the mune the
not be able to trust the government, and if debate had taken, Mr. Boothia should not divide the oar
they paid the interest on their debt by taxes, utter mites. This was not • colonial question nor a local goer
exhustion mut take place after the dreadful straggle tiog ; It we. as imperial gaieties, sod it was of the greatest
which had token place. Therefore he put oat of sight importance that it should not go forth to the world that is
altogether all probability of war. a queetloa of this sort the house was not unanimous. He
Mr. LEFEVRE said he objected to this vote, and to al thought there was no danger of • war with America, end
votes of a similar nature, because be thought It was leer be did not place his defuses of this vote upon the (road
minting a policy wised America et armaments, fiats, and of an expectation of war. But the placing oar ooloaies is
armies, such ea cursed Europe for so keg. Discussing the a state of defence argued DO apprehension of war. and he
question on purely pd' grounds, he thought it better thought it was right to propose this vote in order that
that we Auld not commence these fortifications. Causes Canada might be put in a Mate of &Amos. The Canalises
of war might arise affecting us alone, and affecting the (said the noble lord) are mod anxious to maintain their
Canadians alma ; and the Canadians ought to be placed is connection with OW omit+) ; they ere proud of Nat Goa-
saes a position that they might, if they plena, reject our patties. They think it is for their interest aid they will
policy, sad refuse to ester into the war at all. make every exertion to peewee that connexion and to
Lord R. MONTAGU Intended to vote for the resolution prevent their country befog absorbed by • neighbouring
before the committee. power. And is it sot the duty as well as the interest of
Mr. C. FORTESCUE maid apart from the premise of Bri. the eountry, for the sake of that nostalgia which is the
tials troops is Canada be thought the ethringeoe of these forte Wier Mil streegth of • satiety that we should do
would be of very valuable assistance te the local Canadian that which we have the power and the means
army. Al Quebec was the gate of Cued', the way of of doing for the purpose of maintaining that
11011111:011and, if , the wily of exit, it um moth ine. connexion, and keeping our colony allied to Great Britein.
portent that that point be efgemutly protected, sad But is it ens that the nay&wee which • small state can
e thought that the Imperial government were bound so run from • huge neighbour arises from quarrels with he
steps far that purpose. With them views he hoped Parr state? I ear that it is • fallacy to surmise that
the committee would not listen to arguments,. however them provinces woad be safer if seporated from this mum-
imperious, which could only tend to /save Canada helpless trr• Suppose them separated, are there not motives which
Per-
in the preweim of any potable foe, and to invite, end even might lead a stammer neighbour to pick a cleans! with the
deserve., tbat invasion against which they welted to guard. snail EMU? Is there nothing like territorial eitthitioe
(Hear, arr.) vadiag greet military states? (Hear, bear.) I think the
Sir F. SMITH said they had been tell that they ought example of the world might Smith the hoe. member that
not and that they could not defied Magda. Now he there are seeh thine as isvaeion and annezatd°°'
Nice the report of Colonel &ace im that point was and that the daegef for Cal" would he
outs, „eideefre the other way. Ho huh the mode of math increased by her being _ !operated from Great
defame pointed out am good and sued, sod it was the Bri_teier, sad hell thee depraved of oar °Hist'
duty of the government to comesenee aad faith the works "ess if this. "eerie° Miele". desired hi separate,
as soon as possible. (Hear, hear.) we should not adopt the maxim whish towhee that the
North is right in suppressing the rebellion of the South.
Mr. LOWE said that be did not believe that the We should eot ppree",tbe rebellime of our North Anisricen
United States would lee". Meade* lied this fair- colonies- we should take different line, and if those pro.
waidhl° policy would answer very well if she did act. If einem thought they coal; steed on their own ground we
she did sot invade Can nothing would be more msmeani- should- ay. .. God speed
moat than our conduct In this matter. We should have Joe." That, however, hem set
be of n the ease of the Canadians. On the coustrary,
spouted to hare defended the colony and to have spread tle!'y mach dislike the soiree of &nui ation to their neigh.
our protecting wings over her and sheltered her from the hoer.sed dings to their ...ewe with this country. I say,
insults of a powerful neighbour, and we should have thee. that It would he diesnoefet to this „poetry, and
exulted that our prestige was not dimmed; but supposing would lower as in the eves ol the world.weakes our power and
on the other side of the question that the weather WM not teed to 00...0wn,. elicit would hetojertow to our nationalfair, and America invaded Canada in force, what course patios, if, when these colonies desire to =dew. the eon.
was left to us ? We might leave the men in Canada to perish perks.we„bawd do solving for the pert,. of assisting
or be captured, or withdrew them from the face of danger. them. Sir. I think the government to perfwtly right h.
He did not know which alternative the country would roiosieg the vote which is sow submitted to the house .
adopt. The one iterative would have a great deal of We are of opinion that all the objections raised by my right
safety to recommend it, and the other, be thought, would hoe. friend 'en not mama ; ‘‘, know that in whiter the
have very littlehoseur. and therefore he objected to a policy ewe is deep is Canada, end that se army „„faeely match
which assumed as its teals that the event would be taro-
through it in
spondent to their wishes. It was not our ditty We expose. toroe•
are impossible
in winter, gle week. We know
u that active overs-
d that such operations
our troop" to almost certain destructith or to adopt • policy meet, therefore, be limited to • few summer months. We
which would sat fairly in far weather, but would think we ore b 7 the laa sow propmed assisted by Canada
not steed the test of the slightest breath of adversity. iteidf, put that !matey is such • state of de
-
We ought therefore to reptuent to Canada in perfect fair- here as, with the *edam., a militarylse and naval
"es that althoughweDwild "'Did hes. ea were read? t° forces, will effectually defend it (Min attack. But my
fight to the rat, so long as the hammed to us, for her pre- right hon. friend has argued is a a ' ' teat with
serration, still that we saw so dame of defending her upon himself. He says ree cannot defeedwjarae hereon the
her own graced ; that she would have to defend herself in United States coald brim great an y into the unity,
ram of Americas inaution, but that we woad effect a di-
version in other quarter' :seed that if she, under these and therefore you must dafeedl
it elsewhere. AtiOfTliDli to
bim, being usable to keep the Called Stales from ion/line
terms,
terms, still wishedto continue beroommegion with England, ap.* is annaciaann ad the ananani superiority of
we would not do anything to sever that emesection. That the' armiee, we are to need an expedition to attack the
it was perfectly open to her to establish haul( ae an hide-II artedee,
States in their we homes, at the centre of their
pendent republic ;ese that, if she wished it, we did not desire nee reseureeewd when they weld brings e much bug"
to drag her into the dangers, from the immediate effect of ir
whisk we could not extricate her ;reed that if she thought ons to tie ground. I." that If we coaled not resift the
United States is Carada we should have little chance
it better foe her interests to join the American republic, we of making as imprumwe r
doe khan is tka• wn me.
could not object to that course. (Cries of "Oh, oh.") It lewd stew. I teeny hope -timit the honourable o
momber
was ear duty to pot forward fairly the realities of things,
for Norfolk will be satisfied with the
not se we saw them through the delusion of dignity and amendment he ben
glory, but as things acteally were, before her, and to users moved, sad will not think it neoseury to dispute the
unanimity of the hones. but allow "to is on to she other
her that, se far ae we could, she should have a friend, • pro- yoke to, the paper. (Hee, beer.)
rotors sad ally. to the utmost ef our power. (Hear hew') Mr. BENTINCR said a reply that he differed, not from
That was • worthy attitude for this country to amis,and_._ _n_ the principle of Canadian deform, bat as to the meats which
not to esocanage Der to attempt to resist an tension which ware being adopted for the gam:" He bad been anxious
she "'ad not "gat' He bed only to say, in the' for • fall dionemon, bat he admitted he saw no prospect
einalon, so far as the vote that night went, that of baring the committee participate in his views.
be meld not take °Pea himself the responsibility He found that if he were to persevere in the motes he
of resisting it. If it was any advantage
open to voteto have them fortifimtions, the mossy wee a trifle ; bat he b
oCaned' abould be peed la two positime, both of which he should
d te. In the first place, he should be giving a vote
Dyad his would not be misandentood. (" H
and laughter.) Although he was quite wilting to vote thaear :ib would be great miscontruction, because be
mousy, he did sot coneider himeelf pledged to any line of should fiod himself in eke lobby with a umber of defin-
ite' bed sea with whose sentiments be hadp no sympathy ;
policy which should retain any troops in Canada beyond -,„,g. In ,„,,, second pleas, be should bogoOtioxthe (mow('
the required for the purpose of inetructieg them in milt- of hoe. make," ender few pretences. (No. no.) Tea
Dry matters. (Hear, beer.)
Mr. DISItikELI replied al some Leith to the argurente yea ;and he mast beg to say that he declined to receive
their support under such eireamstances, sad if • division
of Mr. Lowe, sad said that if any hearten wen exhibited tool, owe he should taken, part in it
"s"d=l:l":"4",,a_a,,t thia,___ceiii°Bll"meB„,...._,,t it___,_w*uld h,: The commetu Mu divided (Mr. Bunn& leaving the
moat ''" `'"'""'"*" ''''°"'"` Canada me.' bows before the divisioo took peas):
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he defended or got masa mattered opiate, sad be was not For ining the ems
prepared to admit that it told not. If we bad a war with ft
. . .

Arisel~, it wadi be aid ea cal in Oasis only, but as
balk means ; everywhem, is *irk that tie enemy could be
weakened or annoyed. Are We ion tberighthoe. goo gems o)
to vaderstead from Ibis right be.. rintlaniaa. who is a man
gnat 5c0t....., rest historical Icatialodga sad *cosi-
doable public ex peneaco—that be Webs it will be the
sermal state of the lUsitod Stabs le =sustain these armies
like the host of Xerzto ; are we to suppose that if poem is
to be maintaieed for four or Ave years America will still
have at iv commend as mazy of NO,OOO ea 700.000 asea

The OEAnita,' then reported program.
The report el ways sad mesas 'ma brought op and agreed
to.
Oe the order for reeding the Qualification for Offices
Abolition Bill a wooed time, Oolonel Dorms moved the ad-
journment of the house, but the motion Irma negatived by
141 to 72.
Mr. NE WDEGATE moved, as so masedmeet, that the
bill be read a third time as that day six 'soothe. The
arneadstent was, however, mrisetea by 130 te 51, aad the

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