The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-01 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TITESpAY .EKENING, MAY 1.. 1849..

Itare of lile &eat brit at Hisyhant Ike stunt of
bs w6.e i s If so, why is there any basin at ? Why,
lon had rub better have eanattacted a ira wall, alnag-
aids of which your stoma mesels Gould have ranged, is
order to have their enginespat Woad takes out, as is puttied
ii all Ski private sanafarovina. Bat all these great works
are, la ay opinion, only so many soberre for expending and
idly wastes( this Dahlia mossy. Aad sty belief is, that if the
t had a Canfield' sr a Pun to go to, instead of
rv.larlialea g oily the posher of the people is tax, they mold age
have shows a more reckless degree of mtrampinee. litre
now, is Ala very estimate is p ear of 97,00 W. for removing
a powder impalas; and you are told that it Is
neesesary for you to have ads great stor• of powder
—no less than 47,000 terve* in ardor to be pro-
vided spier the shame ef • great war. Bat is it
necessary for yea to he thus provided ? Is pin* of far,
then an 90,000 barrels sad this store of gunpowder Is, ia
ay 'Para. latterly swarm The sal remedy that I pr-
obe to Me eilraragaat mun Is e be the pespie to rim
in a body, aid te Assiut that it Is far sore dseprous be the
centatry to he wableatoll to such an expire they for it to
have to eamuntor • great war.

Mr. BENI= mill that he was surprised at the event-
'sent hawing tassed us explanation of the item contained in
the vote. kw met surtainly it had sot been embraced within
tits recummssialuse Itan which were contained
In the repeat d ra ae eo es the asval isthmus of
last year.

Sir F. BASING sad that the only reeson why he had
net answered the objeetisa to the vote wee, that he was not
respeanible for it. The his. member opposite was the
!pest penes it szplais.lbst elk sad be had done re. All
that the getrammenthsil doe wasiefellow the recionrasenda.
does of emndriee. The establishment at /Leyham would
prove to he of meat value. Ise world net say whether the
former Baud of Admiralty was right or wrong in eon.
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rammi"'ng
ded so iam auk a week bat the qtrestMn was whethm2 having
b mew is it, parliament would realm
I is
to 001111rA Ate . ...Of was he safe that the present vote
would sans te amidst* the warts If the *sandman
were eutied, the malt would be to atop the works end to
' leave the gevenunant reammailds ter all the emanate sa-
bred We. soppessi eel this was the meson why the
his. baronet bed sot iselshd es bringing forward his amend-
' mint lust year; and, if so, he ought sot to seek to stop the
webs new.

Captain BERKILET rid be shouldlara the hoa. goals-
also, the member for the Wart aiding, to travel down to the
East sad West India Desks, end tee it there were sot hare
shwa Weiss there.

Mr. PETO said it would be kighly desirable that the mast
mares iskeniatiee should be laid before the bows as to the
expase oldies' weeks. lie bed messily visited the weeks
at Keybown. Mil be had no hesitation in saying that a very
dose eitkesis West easily hen been supplied.

Mr. CONDLlfield he was at a loos to indentead whether
the gallant sennia (Captain Berkeley) intended the obsens-
lion Mann to the Bast and West Is Docks as an answer
to what he (Kr. Cobden) had stated. Whet be said wee that
no private steam boat builder bad a basin. He now repeated
that statement. It was given in endears before the com-
mittee last pear;. and he challengsd the gallant captain to
point out en, privateeompa,y having • heels. They might
emeibly Ind private companies sending their vessels to the
East and West India Docks to have their eagles, fitted in ;
and he wanted the 'metatarsi to do as private individuals
did, end to avail themselves of those docks.
The cosaittee then divided.

For the mod=
For the meadow=
The vote w then aimed to.

The pest vote was 7i2,2621. to defray tha ousa necessary
to clover the charge of half pay.

Mr. M. GIBBON observed that it had bees stated that he
had drawn an improper anaparison betweeen the ;mother
of *Moen in the British navy and in the navies of France
and the Ucited States, sad had not explained the eireilS.
steams widelt caused the Dunbar of atoms in the British
navy to be as great as they were. H. had stated a fact
which was not denied, and the object of that statement was
to call the &Madan of the pvernment to the necessity
of briming the number of others within proper limits.
Re katiszethend authority on this question, via., that of a
very ditheguidlth seem is the British navy, who said that
the Amber atelleses it the British navy should bear some
'sort of properlkin to the work is be done, and if any
eireemotimose eausod the swum to be greater than it ought
to be, slops awl* to be taken to bring it within proper
limits. The 41.91, be quoted was Sir J. Stirling ; ha said,
you hero get 8,000 teems, tad yes only want 4,000 ; you
are keeping up an etasseef eaten ear and above what is
necessary far the work he he dent, awl to the keep of 20.000
able seamen. That ern his aateatent before a committee
of the Have of Commese. The consequence of keeping
up many Mad aims than was neemeary was, that you
constantly Mad yam men in the prim. of Ills going
about tosiplaiski to all their friends that they could not
get a ship, and sent not get asploymant ; and when yen
pat a man its essamend of a ship you sent one who, per-
haps, had been as shore for a number of years, and had
not acquired shill in his profession.
Sir F. BARING said that this was a subject on which
the hon. member for Montrose bad given notice of a mo-
tion ; he was cable to attend the house ; but he (Sir F.
Bering) shouldbe glad to have some discussion on the
subject, and he would defer i' till mother occasion.
The vote wee agreed to.
The Wowing votes were also agreed to :
63,7131. to dthay the charge of military pensions and

id:say. tar civil pensions and allowances.
147,2001. for freight, dor., on account of the away and
ordnance departments.
Oa the vote of 748,2961. to defray the chugs of the Post
dike packet serviee,

Mr. FLOYER meted that the web should be carried
through Weymouth rather than Sonthantptee, se being the
eerier passail.__ _ .

Mr. COWPER said that when contrasts had bear entered
into by private companies government was not always at
liberty to schist the port of embarkation.
Mr. FLOYER asked if any opportunities had been
afforded to Weymouth to send in a tender ?
Mr. COWPER admitted that in the public advertisement
Southampton only was mentioned.
Mr. COBDEN thought that the vote for the Post-oMee
packet department ought not to pass without a word, in order
that the country might know why no profit appeared. It
was evident that many of these Aura would never have
been undertaken as a matter of profit. He found here a
charge for carrying the mails between Alexandria and Bey.
rent a charge for the mail from Singapore to New South
Wales; from Saes to Calcutta, 64,0001. ; from Ceylon to
Hoag Rom 46,0001. The charge for carrying letters between
this country and the West Indies was 240,0001 a year. How
could we undertake to pay 240,0001., when the whole gross
proceeds would not amount to one-fourth of that *am ? It
must be from totally different motives than letter writing,
because letter writers bad no reason to expert that govern-
ment mild be conveyer, at a oast four these the amount of
postage. This was salealatod to injure our postage reform
end prevent its adoption by other countrim.
Sir F. T. BARING said that the arrangements respecting
the West India packets had been made before the penny
postage reform took place. The government found it ne-
cessary to complete the communication between the mother
country and her various colonies; but it appeared that It was
now contended that such communication should be limited
to the mere postal nocerdtice of the country. He could not '
consent to look at the question as one merely of the &mount
of balancethat alight be left at the end of the year ; nor did
he think that, because those expensive communications be-
tween England and the colonies absorbed • considerable
portion of the income derivable from p *tap, that that fact
was to be taken as an argument against postage reform.

Mr. COBDEN was as willing a; any ea- an o admit the
advantages of Post-oilloe communication with every part of
world, bat if no reference was had to the number of letters
passieg between the mother country and a colony, they
might, acoording to the right how. gentleman, at one. start
a line of stelae communication between this country and
New Zealand. He held that the aooomatodation provided
should have reference to the amount of bwiness and the
number of letters. Ho said this in justice to the whole oom-
maaity of tan payees.
Mr. HENLEY said that the expenditure complained of
had been widely alma by the necessities and requirements
of the tommeridal classes. It wee the object of giving
hameemil Ihdlities to enemas* that had induced govern-
ment to set up Ilea expensive modes of communication. At
the same time be admitted that the management of poet-
, Woe was a queen' that required looking into.
Mr. BRIGHT explained that what his hes, friend the
member for the West Riding had said was that it was not
fair that 240,0001. should be pat down he letters, which
speaking fairly only cost 80,000 i. The hon. gentleman's
=lts wee more extra
vsgent than that of his
Me friend, because according to his plan
there should be •
_post-oflice In every house
ref_ tows. His hen, friend was maxims that
dem to prevent the proof of the moms
of the piny pselege, in so far as their Wends were con-
cerned. If these amps were all pat upon the post-ofico
tangent would thilk that the principle had failed,
whereas every one in this country Rut admit that no re-
form bad ever bean Minted as ore hapcemat than that
which had bean segpmed by Mr. Rowland Hill, and ser-
ried into operation by the present governmeat. He be-
lieved that the ecientry was sincerely grateful both to Mr.
(lifer'
Hill and the govsnimant fir their conduct in the natter.
biar.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
nobody would or sent guppies that the penny poste.* was
implicated is tin supemes whet eannanalestion. He
mosei gma
"Makin at the resales et the penny poste" that
no *mid have been more eneesistal, the number
of bevies imessal is an eseesese ankent, He
hoed that threasheat the three Maslow they bad doubled
elmee lbe shafts. Wilts neatleatio reseihelei that the
reverse mite Ile old system wee a* UMIAK. while
*noise the view It MA thready reached between spoo,cacr.
arid =. easy mold hardly deny that the esperiment
had
The Isle basal
earited to.
The nest mile was 12,6681. for her liliqesty's ship North
Syr, to salty emit provisions to her Rig sety's vessels en-
gaged ia tM Antis seas.—Agreed to.
The ressintises were reported, the Chairman reported
progress, en 4 obtained leave to sit spin.
=CHEW= BILLS 1111.1., 17,786,70 W.
takea on
This hill wee mparted, sad the thard reading ordered to
= The home at ten minutes pert 12.

DIVISION ON TIM BIASING 01 RATS IN Am BILL.
—Lard Alfred Pert paired with Lord Claud Hamilton—
the Ayers to favour, sad the letter spinet, the