The Express.
London, England, 1848-06-03 00:00:00

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• IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAT, JUNE 2.
The LORD Cuartcniza,oz took his seat at 6 o'sbeek.
PRIVArtt BUSINESS.
SROOND READINGIL-Rail of (Bengali's Wats; HaarAMA
=re' ; airs awl Newtetrlll4lendaPral; LlWlrnee•al.
station ; 111;
THUD READINGS.-National Monument co, Peollaiad Area &
meat ; Birkenhead Duck Company Amendment;
PUBLIC BUNINKSA.
THIRD READINGS.-Smoke Prolitaition: Parliamentary Pro.
Aittournment; Poor Houses (Ireland);
eVrrIONS.-Earl FITZHARDINGE and Lord BLAI:310s T,
Pew
several lodges of Odd Fellows, in favour of the bias for
soolettea-The Duke of RICHMOND, from Kama. and another Pimie
In Scotland, against the Registration vuotland) Bill; the Bart of
HOUSTON, from several plasm in Scotland; the Fart of SELKIR
has a place is Scotland not heard; to the same effect-beet
CAMP-
BELL. teem Renfrew, praying for an alteration in the law of mar-
riags.-Lord BROUGHAM, iron. inharataats of tendon, so upla
ndaE
of interrup.ion to their bogus+ by the chartht procemloes.
CHARTIST PROCESSIONS IN LONDON.
Lord BROUGHAM, on presenting the petition from
London on the subjmt, wished to call attention to what had
been going on in the streets of the metropolis. Anything
more intolerable than those proceedings, or more hurtful in
their tendency to trade, and vexatious to the peaceable in-
habitants of this town, could not be conceived; and there
was no knowing at any moment to what extent they might
be carried. Hs alluded to the preemie's". Ile coo d us.
derstand meetings for legal object', in moderate !tomboy,
but the right had almost degenerated into a wrong. As to
processions, however; that the business of the pesplo of this
great eapitul should be interfered with-as it had been to the
scandal of France in Peri' by similar precessions, to the
alarm of the inhabitants and the government - was mon-
strous. They did not ; retend that they met for the purposes
of diseumion-they placardnl bills with the words "the 29th
May" on them-and marched in large numbers from one
cad of the metropolis to the other; thee did not dare to come
down to Westminster, or they w. old meet with a dis-
agreeable reception; but he had been told by tradespeople
that the customers did not come to their shops in the
numbers in which thee used to do when these dirplays
of
force were not made. However good the r objict might be,
cal forbid that they sheuld attain it by such unlawful
means. The needless usertion to which the troops, the
police, and special constables were exposed was also a souroe
of great annoyance. lie had no fear of an outrage-he did
not think there would be any attempt at it ; and if there
was he was sure there would not be a second. But what he
complained of was the Is .raesimit of the troops, the police,
the special constable", and She public. (Hear, hear.)
The Duke of WELLING lON mid the whole town bad
been under arms for four nights, and he wished their lord-
ships could turn their attention to the prevention of this
evil. There were two modes; one was to prevent the
assembly of large bodies of persons, and another was to make
those persons who called these meetings together. under any
pretence whatever, responsib.e in their pock, to for the con-
sequences attending them, and they would not then bs so
ready to call these meetings fir the only purpow of making
an cration, inciting aseaseina,ion, and making threats
against the Queen and all the °titters of state.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it was not intended
that these prLcessions shond he allowed. They had been
arrested in their progress, and every meats had beta takes
to defeat the object of the promoters of such meetings. At
the 112 MC time they had been prodietive of great ineonve-
nience. The placard to which the noble lord hail alluded, for
the 23.11 of Slay, had retemnee only, he believed, to the
opening of Cremornegardens. (A lough.)
The Duke of RICHMOND would siooost that the magis-
trates in L lon should carry the law into execution. When
there was an org ini,ed system such PP that of the chartists,
and they ill-us^d the police, it appeared to him that the
government should diet the perpetrator, of such outrsges.
I)epend upon it that if some twenty or thirty of them were
indicted at the next sus ions of the Central Criminal Court,
they would soon find the.e processions an unprofitable affair.
He did not ss ish to see the soldiers called out; hut he would
advise the chartists to beware, (or soldiers were men, and
when they were called out there might be no means of re-
straining them.
Lori DENMAN said it was right that people should know
the diaper they were incurring at them meetings; it was
obvious that they could not be endured, at d if the speeches
in the newspapers were true, they could not he made with-
out incurring great risk. They firmed in fact one of the
most serious offences known to the law. Even if the object
were most loyal and lawful, it would not be desirable to see
it carried by unlawful means. Ile wished, as an old re-
former, to express his sense of the impolite of exciting the
public mind at this moment se to particular measures of
reform. He thought It calculated to endanger all reform.
THE AFFAIRS OF SPAIN.
Lord STANLEY said-Sioce the last time of your lord
ships meeting you have had an opportunity of examining the
papers in a x planation of the eircumssances under which her
Majtatt's minister at Madrid has been ordered to leave
Spain. I am not ab art to enter upon any discussion of the
merits of those papers. I am not desirous of calling upon I
the government for any premature declaration of the tonne',
which they may feel it their duty to adopt in the very grave
circumstances is which the two c.unuies are placed. Bat I
think that those papers are tranif. fitly incomplete, that there
are evidences upou the face of them of important omissions.
But, moreover, there is a most material part of the ease upon
which information is required, nail that is, whether any
statement ha, b. en made on the part of the government of
Spain with regard t 3 the motive which may been led them
to take so strange a step. Therefore, while I think this is
a out ject deserving of the instant and vigilant attention of
parliament, the only question I wish to ask the noble
marquis is, whether any communication has been made
from the Spani.h government as to the motives which in-
duced that government to desire S:r Ilency Bulw, r to leave .
Madrid? and, if such a statement has been r. ceived, I am
desirous of knowing whether, sod within what period, it
will be submitted to parliament ;
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, I shall hare se
hesitation in stating that, in addition to the papers that have
been laid on the tahle of this house, there have been Mote,
Cuomo the only legitimate channel tnrough which they
could be received, some further communications. I cannot, '
however. say that these afford any satisfactory explaaation of
the many,. of the Spanish government. but I ao not con-
sider the correspondence ha* yet closed. Information has
been given of further explanations to he made, and until an
opportunity has been afforded to elicit all the information to
be obtained no further communication w ill be made to this
house, nor do I think this hou.e will be disposed to call for
it. It is oaly within the lest two or three days that the ad-
ditional information has been forwarded by the Spanish go
vernment. The moment these documents containing all the
explanation that the Spanish government can give are
complete there will nut be the least hesitation in laying
them fully upon the table of your lordships' house. As
to the omission of certain parts in the cerrespondence now
upon the table, to which the noble lord has referred, I an
not now about to enter into any discussion on the subject ;
sal I can only say that when those papers come before your
lordships I can undertake to artist), your lordships, and, I
think, the noble lord, that there has been no omission im
properly made, and none that atonal be satisfactorily ex-
plained acd accounted for.
IRELAND.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he had to lay on the
table pipers with reverence to Ireland, and as repeated In-
quiries had been mode in that house with respect to tran-
sactions in Ireland be would state what was the amount of
relief anal assistance afforded to Ireland, and what were the
measures contemplated for mitigating the distress there. In
the whole of the two years the sum of 8,737,0001.; hail be. n
advanced for the service of Ireland, which included the
amount of 339,0001. which ead been advanced for the purpose
of promoting railroads in that citatory. He was not about
to vindicate the application of these loans in every respect to
which they had been applied, but great good he had no
doubt had been effected by the loans to railways. He wouhl
now explain what was the pr sent state of the assistance to
Ireland. He thought the real regenerating principle to be
applied was to be found not in large advances from this coun-
try but in the awakened spirit of exertion in Ireland herself.
In thoea districts where seed could not he procured the dis-
trait was still great. In addition to the poor law, which hail
proved to a great degree effective for its purpose in having
spared • great amount of human life, very considerable as-
sistance had been afforded by the " British Relief Associa-
tion," carrying on its operations of charity and benevolence
upon a scale greater than was ever known before in any coun-
try, and under a system of ruanagem,nt the most perfect,
and which had induced the government to avail themselves
of their machinery to administer the amount of aid that
might be tortured in particular parts of the country
in training end educating children. 201,100 children
bad been thug provided for. I The noble mar-
quis then read from a report proofs of the great
benefit afforded by the Britil Relief Association,
which had expended upwards of 112,001,14 The government
had thought it elesirablo to see that where the resources ap-
plied to the education of ell ren, arid occasional assistance to
untor.s, had failed, y should he elution( d until slier next
harvest. As to the loans which hail been made by the govern-
ment, they did not intend to ask for the payment of any
of the instalments until after the next harvest, and applica-
tion would be made to parliament fur the postponement of
these instalments. He could not help calling particular atten-
tion to theservices of the gentleman who for two years had de-
voted body and soul to the administration of those hinds, re-
quiring the utmost ioduatry and care-he meant Count
Zeleski, a Polish nobleman who had refused to take the
smalieet remuneration for hi,, services. His exertions for the
country's weal hail been fir greater than that of many pro-
fessed patriots there. (Hear, heir.) 'there was now a
greater amount of cultivation ir. Ireland than ever these had
been before. The noble menioi. concluded by laying the
papers on the table.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM coneeived, that though there was
much that was gratifying in the statement of his noble
friend, it was not altogether satisfactory. There was but
one mode of conferring permanent benefit upon Ireland, and
effecting those changes in the condition of the various classes
In Ireland, but especially of the rural population, which it
wax the duty of the government to being about-that was a
large awl exteneive measure of emigration.
POOR LAW (IRELAND).
On the motion of the Earl of LUCAN the select committee
oar this subject was nominated
PA lILIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS BILL.
Lord STANLEY moved the third ruading of this bill.
Lord CAMPBELL eonteiel. that the bill was altogether
enneeeseary : it was is osehos bat mischievous,
awl all that it proposed to do might he dine hy a reeoiation
of setner hone°. Ile moved thut elan a third time that
day six month..
Lord LANGDALE ',aka et • •.se 'rr gth. but in so low •
tone that whether in aupport ..r tocst Gr. bill it was iat-
possib'e in the gallery to hese.
laird WIIARNCIffFFE .r. '1 ;hr. hill, which he al i I
would enable either lo .. : in tie ,esse si •

PUBLIC BUSINFRS.
PETITIONS.-111 Mr. Sheriff DILL, at the bar of the home. from
the corpondion of London, agalnat Smiley trading. -An Hon.
Member. nom Os war, emnplaining of :he inequality of the present
eyntra of rating.—Sli C. BURRELL, from Mipbuilders and ship-
owners Ma place in Sussex, nominal any Menge in the navigation
lawa.—Dr. BOWRINO. from Dutch inhabitants of Colburn, nape of
Good Hope, complaining of want of representative government; and
from Preston and Bolton, for parliamentary reform, Mr. F.
MAPEKSZIE, from Kiltimmodi, in favour of Sites of Churches
(Scotland) Hilt —Mr. ID iovsrr, from Pdarhyn, amain oale of spirits
on Sabbath day.—Mr. FORBEs, Iron Surfing, preying for alteration
in the Lunatic Asylums (Scotland) Bill
EPORT.—Law of Entail {Scotland) Bill.
RETURNS ORDERED.—tin the motion of Mr. DODD, rasps
showing e amalgamation of railways, the rotating lines, and them
In progve in Crest Britain and Leland.--Mr. VLF:Mt:MN, martens
returns relative to poor-low unions in Ireland.—On the motion dile..
SULLIVAN, return of the numbs rof counties in 'Mond proclaimed
by the Lord Lieutenant, under the act entitled " An Act for the better
preservation of Life and Property In Ireland." distinguishing the
bamnies in each county so predefined ; a statement of the number
and description of crimes which e.auwil such proclamation to be I.
iinsl ; the number of police ient into each county or barony inmarce
of Mae-arms; the number and description of arms (if any) 14.12(41 in
such barmy; the actual mot of troneferring the police to the district
proclaimed, distinguishing the .rum pant tar car or coach convey-
ance. Ac.; and also the ansmint of acreable tax inturred upon each
distort or barony by such proclamation.
NOTICFM OF MOTlON.—heat.osis.—Mr. R. CRAWFORD, on
arse oupply slay alter the Whimuntide mom, I. move that the
prevent distracted state of Ireland demands the Instant attention of
wham at, limb a view to the enactment of such measures or will
improve her condition, redress her grienunces, retobliah the rights of
ohs people, and thereby promote the feral order and pperity
M that part of tie empire, and give lacressed security to her Majesty'.
crown.
ANSWER TO ADDRESS TO THE THRONE.
Mr. LASCELLES brought up her Majesty's answer to
the address of condolence on the death of the Princess
Sophia, expressing her Mejesty'a thanks therefore.
ADJOURNMEN f OF THE HOUSE.
On the motion of Sir U. Geste', it was agreed that the
house at its rising adjourn to Monday.
VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
Mr. HAWES (iii reply to Mr. Anstey) said that des-
patches were only just received announcing the promotion
of one of the justices of the Supreme Court of Van Diemen's
Land, which was no act of the executive here, but of the go-
vernor on the spot, and that they contained no accounts rela-
ting to the removal of the chief iustice.
NAVIGATION LAWS.
On the ooler of the day for resuming the adjourned debate
on this qiieoion,
Mr. ()LADS TON E said, that without entering into figures
oc details, he should simply endeavour to lay before the
house the grounds which led him to the opinion he enter-
taiued upon it. The question was not whether they con-
sidered the plan of the government in all its details, or the
outline of that plan, to be the beat that could be dodged.
The question fairly raised by the motion of his right hon.
relied the member for &Arafura was, whether they were
prepared to make an extensive change not only in the par-
ticulars but in the principle of the present navigation lame
and to that question he wee prepared to give • deliberate
answer in the affirmative. (" Hear, hear," from the minis-
terial side of the t ease.) Ile understood his right lion.
friend to say that the principle o. the navigation laws
was this—that in regard bath to our domestic and colonial
trade we should require absolutely an exclusive right for our
shipowners; but that, in regard to foreign trade, it was a
free question how far upon th^ principle of reei- .
procity we might admit foteigners to an equality.
His right honourable friend, therefore, adulate! that
he was by no means prepared to take his stand
upon the present laws, but was ready to discuss the
propriety of an extension of trade and privileges upon an
equal footing with all dominions excepting those of her
Britannic Majesty. If the navigation laws were to he
altered, and in his ( Mr. Gladstone's) opinion they ought to
be, the pre-ent was certainly the most seasonable time for
doing ors Great attempts had been made to throw upon the
sup; amen of the measure now prep lied the onus of proving
its necessity ; as if the question was now mooted for the
first time, or as if it had nn analogy in principle with the re-
cent commercial legislation of this country. That I. giala-
tion was founded on the principle that upon the whole the
more free and unrestricted we could make competition as
applied to the proceedings of trade, the better would those
proceedings be conducted. (hear, hear.) That was the
identied principle on which it was now proposed to utter the
navigation laws, and being so, the onus of proof that
they ought not to be altered surely lay with those
who contended that they ought to remain ae they are. No.
t iing, howevi r, scented to him ;Lore clear or capable of
proof, than that the present was the fitting moment to ex-
amine and finally decide whether we ought to continue them
as part of cur commercial code, or place them upon a die.
fereot Lasis. lie conceived that America had gained great
honour by the chalieoge she had thrown at the feet of her
Majesty's government. Ile must say, too, with regard to
Prussia, that she did not deserve the rebuke administered to
her by his right hon. friend for her conduct in this matter.
She gave us notice that she required at our hands an entire
equality of stealing, and that, tailing in her demand, she in-
tended to abrogate the convention exiting between her and
this country. At this moment access to the ports of Prussia,
from all parts of the g10b..., was granted to British ships; but
Prussian ships were not allowed in our ports unless pro-
eye ing from Prussian pert'. Was it right then for his
right hon. friend to speak, as he did on Monday night,
in such reproachfel terms of Prussia and her marititne posi-
tion? Surely his right hon. friend must know that for com-
neerei el purposes Prussia presents to us a population of 20 or
25,000,000 of peeple—a people, too, who are amongst the
greatest consumers of our e immodities. Prussia, therefore,
was a Seat. class power in this question—(hear); and, acting
with justice herself, she was eutitled to an equality with us.
(Heme) lie must say that the day was gone by when we
could arrogate to ourselves an ascendancy in this matter.
(" Hear," from air. Hume.) A' for the menace which
his right honourable friend spoke of as emanating
from Pristine, he could only observe that if Pros-
sia entertained the alleged intention, and which she
was entitled to entertain, she was equally entitled to
say to us that if we also did not relax our restrictions she
would tighten her.. It appeared to him to be by far the
mat friendly and just course to give us lull and explicit
notice of her intenti ,o, and an nee:nullity of escaping from
the inconvenience which a refusal on our part to deviate
from the prevent system would entail upon acv. With regard
to the colonies his right hon. friend teemed to think that
because there had been no memorial or claim from them
there was no necessity to consider their position in reference t
these laws. That would he no j wit ilication for not altering these
laws if they prated ineffective or injuri us in their operation.
L0.,1e at the Australian colonies. They derived no benefit
whatever from these protective laws; on the contrary, by the
operation of these laws, the Australian colonist was cemptlied
to send his wool to this country, to compete with the wool;
of Germany, which were not brought one-tenth the dis-
tance. And was it fair that, with this disadvantage of
distarce, he should be limited in the choice of his freights,
and that it a German ship was ljing at Sydney, after landing
a cargo of emigrants, he ehould be obliged to clear her to
come home in ballast, because he was prohibited from using
her as a conveyance to this market fur his produce i (Hear,
hear.) Again, also, with regard to copper ores. Some most
valuable mines had been opened in South Australia, and was
it fair to tell the Aletralien colonist that, not merely in ap-
pearance, but virtually, ditthrenti I duties were imposed
against his competition with the copper ore of Cuba, by
reason of compelling him to pay to tho British shipowner
whatever freight he mieht demand Then, again, with re-
gard to the case of Jamaica, there had been a good deal of
misunderstanding. It boil been said that the people of Ja-
maica were anxious for ass alteration its the navigation laws,
because it would reduce the freights on their sugars to the
British market, but it were also end that the same alteration
would give the eamend vantage to the saga, producer of Cuba ;
and, therefore, as no direct ad irantinte was gained, the failure
in that respect was a sufficient argument to destroy the force
of the memorial which had been sent from Jamaica to her
hinkery's government on the subject of the navigation law:.
This, however, was • great Wiley, ior his right hon. friend
the member for Stamford (Sir G. Clerk) was himself
ready to make all the foreign trade of this country the sub-
ject matter for negotiations with other nations, and to eon-
eider whether American ship' might not bring the
seams of the planters of Cuba to this country at
such reduced freights os the latter could bargain for ; but,
with all his love for the colonies, his right hon. friend would
insist that, with regard to Jeumico, the monopoly of the
British shipowner shuuld continue as it now was, and thus
an advantage would be given to the foreign producer in
Cuba which was refu.ed to the British planter in Jamaica.
(Hear, hear.) But there was another point of consideration
which showed that the present was is most fitting time to
enter upon a revision of the navigation laws. For the last
few years the legislature had been most active in a course of
commercial legisletion, and had done more than ever had
been or could be done again in a similar manner by laws to
ad 1 to the bulk and weight of the imports of this country.
By that legislation the shipping interest+ had been etimu-
toted, the field fur their piirmits had b. en enlarged, and
the present, therefore, was thu time to ',object the ship-
owner, who now had the greatest fit Id for em-
ployment he ever panned, to conditions. (Hear, hear.)
Amore; all the questions raised on this subject, there was no
coufliet with the interests of a clash By some, however, it
watt felt that the ri lotion of this question to the national de-
fences, was a subject of importance which ought not to be
omitted from consideration ; and in my noblemen and
h n. gentlemen, who had themselves been stripped of pro-
tection, came forward with great patriotism msintain for
others that protection which they themselves had leo, and
not merely with an alotract attachment to commerc-, but
I)2cm:se they believed conscientiously that to otter tho exist.
Gig novigation laws, wnnld be t o week( n the net) nil de-
fences of the country. It might be weakness on his part,
but he was rot reputed to follow in the lofty flight which
had uteu taken by some, In referinci to this pert ear too
sufej.et. It hod tome soh! that .is t'_., carrying

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