The Express.
London, England, 1848-04-05 00:00:00

been removed from the lands when they wan unwell, and
he offered many of them money to enable them t from the
elsewhere. The boa. gentleman read statements
under-sheriff and his agent corroborative of what he men-
tioned to tbe house.
Mr. SCROPE said that the hon. gentleman's statement
was confined to one or two cases. lie wished to ask him
how many houses had been thrown down and how many
persons had been ejected altogether ?
Mr. ST. GEOROE said he confined his statement to the
only charges mad: against himself. (Bear, heu.) Re was
not able to answer the hon. gtntleman's question at that
moment.
ENCUMBERED TENANT STATES
RILLS . AND LANDLORD AND

the number of clerks, dte., that information had already been
given • but to furnish relieve for the whole of Irelend of all
She details called for by the hon. end gallant member would
.megm,„y thMtgand pOUIIdiWOUId occupy many months in
preparation, and would be of no practical use when supplied.
WWI regard to any particular cue or district, the govern-
ment mania be happy to furnish whatever information might
bs required.
Mr. lIUME thought it by no means unreasonable that
Ike people of Ireland, when called on to repay
the money, should
know bow it had been expended. This was m• re
smeary when it had been declared in a court of law tnat Col.
bases had been in the habit ef sigaing blank cheques, con •
trary to the atioulations of the we of parliament. He, there-
fore, should like to be informed as to the mode in which the
accounts had been audited.
Theatco CulnlAtsNhCill.L.LtOblettonfmthade eE.XpC4ciallßoVaEßairr.rettlniedef
that
the
Board of Work., but by an officer specially sent easel for the
purpose. Wi•h regard to the allusion which had been made
toJones, it was perfectly true that the act of parliament
required that all cheques for the payment of money should
be signed by two commissioners; and he believed it was also
true—though he by no means defended the practice—that
1 Col. Jones, having
.frequently to leave Dubin, had on some
Ito hosted CASiODS stetted the cheques in blank, leavine them
Ito be filled up by. one of the other commissioners, who would,
of amin, add his signature.
Mr. B. OSBORNE, though he considered that the money
multi
not have bei n worse laid out, yet, u charity covered a
multitude of sins, they ought not now to be too critical on
the subject.
Mr. F. FRENCH bore testimony to the ability, integrity,
industry, and temper displayed by Colonel Jones throughout
the whole dile' Fadeout duties, and he believed the commis-
I sinners generiely had discharged their duties efficiently.
Mr. REYNOLDS, on lo king over the papers which were
already on the table, found that much of the information
celled for by the hon. and gallant member's motion was in
their hands. No one, however, could think it unreasona-
ble, considering the extent of the money which had
been expended, and which the people of Ireland were
to be called upon to repsy, that some account
of the mode in which it had been disbursed should be
demanded. With regard to the effect of the air of Ireland
in converting men of business into bunglers, he took it fur
granted that the hon. member for Middlcsee 'as a great
authority. (Laughter.) But he supposed it was owing to
the presumed superiority of British intellect, that English.
men or Scotchmen were at the head of all the principal de-
earthy eats in the Irish government—(hear, hear)--from the
Lord Lieutenant down to the poor-law commission.
Lord J. RUSSELL observed that when it was complained
that the money expended in the relief works had not
object
well hid out, it appeared to be forgotten that the object
welt which they had been undertaken was not to construct
great public works, bat to keep the people from starving.
(Hear, hoar.) Oa coming ieto office the present government
leund that, from the failure of the harvest, there was great
I danger of the people perishing for want of food during the
I winter, and it was their butiness to devise mesas for keeping
them alive. They accordingly consulted with Lord Bess-
, borough and others who were practically acquainted with
Ireland, and the result was that a bill was framed and passed
which he believed had answered the object in view. He
would go further, and admit that though that act was
' framed with the best intentions, and though it had bees
effe•eual in keeping the people alive, it was sot perhass the
1 beat measure in all respects that could have been devised.
The emergency was, however, extremely pressing and ad-
mitted hot of delay, and the passing of that measure
rhowed at all events that parliament and the govern= nt
were ready to make immediate exertions to meet the want.
(llear.) It was easy to criticise after the event, but the
object was one well worthy the parliament and govern-
ment of this country—(hear, hear)—and was to a great
extent answered by the ceurse which had been taken.
With regaid to the employment of Englishmen and Scotch-
men in the public offices in Ireland, the hon. gentleman
who made a charge against the government in this respect,
should remember that the first appointment made by the
present government was that of an Irishman, who had al-
ways resided a greet part of every year in Ireland, to the
high office of Lord-Lieutenaut ; and when they were de-
prived of his valuable services by death, and thought it
nece•sary to recommend an English nobleman to succeed
him, they appointed an Irishman to the office of chief
secretary— (bear, hear,—and the reward they got was,
that that right hon. gentleman's election to parliament met
with the strongest opposition. They had also ream-
mn nded an Irishman ter the Irish Chancellorship, and ea
Iri,heastt and a Roman catholic for the °lace of Under Secre-
tary fur Ireland. But if it was to be the rule that in each
part of tee kingdom the natives of that place only were to
he employed by the government, it might be complained
here that Irishmen were employed in the police and other
branches of the public service, and that an Irishman was at
the head of the army. He hoped, however, that this com-
plaint would not be repeated, the object of government
being to do justice to all parts ot the United Kingdom.
Dr. BOWRINO complained that no edequate audit was
instituted of the expenditure of public money in Ireland. In
this ease, as in all others, the audit came too late—after the
mischief was done.
Major BLACKALL thought it important that informa-
tion as to the state of the works, the money expended, and
the number of able-bodied and of decrepit persons employed
on them, should be given, in order to show that it was the
fault of the act that so little work bail been done for the
money. A distinction should be drawn between money
upended in charity and that laid out in uselesi works
against the will of these who would have to reply it.
Col, DUNNE urged the necessity of a portion of the re-
turns fur which he had moved. The accounts had been
audited by act of parliament in a lump. He wished to throw
so imputation on Colonel Jones, but every one must admit
that the business of the board of works had beta conducted
in a slovenly manner. It had been thought possible in Ire-
land to combine useful works with the expenditure of this
money, but the representations of himself and others on the
subject had been unheeded. He would withdraw his mo-
tion in confidence that the CHANCLLLOR of the Excite-
ueete wold give him all the returns that could be obtained.
After au few words from the CHANCELLOR of the Exeren- ,
(tVEIS the motion was withdrawn.
POLISH INDEPENDENCE.
Mr. ANSTEY said he should not have thought of press-
ing the motion of which he had given notice at this late
hour but for the importance of the subject. In the present
crisis it behoved us to look abroad, to anticipate events,
and to prevent that we could not cure. He had no fear
of invasion, or of the hostile spirit of the French
government; a greater danger was the possibility of undue
intervention by our own government in the affairs of hide-
penieet states. He said this out of no hostility to the noble
lord the secretary for foreign affairs; but it was in the power
of a single minister to involve the country in treaties which
might be fraught with danger to the interests of the state.
Under pretext of pacifying the continent, and keeping inva-
sion from the shores of Ireland, he feared we might be led
into an unnatural alliance with the great power of the north.
to the rupture of our friendly relations -with France and
other powers. He anticipated no serious opposition from
any quarur to the address which he should move, praying
her Majesty to agree to no new territorial or other arrange-
ments consequent on the recent important political eveuts in
Austria, Poland, and Prussie, which did not recognise and
secure to the Polish people their lawful liberties and inde-
pendence. He could not suppose that the government
would oppose such an address, unless they were already
committed to the course he deprecated. He should be ready
to concur in any measures for the repression of rebellion at
home, or the prevention of hostilities abroad. If this was
simply a question whether absolutism or const tuionalism
was to prevail in Europe, he would not occupy the time
of the house; but at such a crisis he deemed it oppor-
tune to call attention to a subject of deep importance.
The treaty of Vienna, if not now at an end, was impracti-
cable, perhaps impossible ; it was rent and tore asunder—
the territorial arrangement which it established existed no
longer. The destruction of Polish independence had brou
brought
ht
this about; and it was now prfectly totorious
treaty of Vienna could no longer be appealed to in support
of existing territorial arrangements. It would be impossible
for her Majesty to avoid becoming a party to some new
treaty for preserving the smaller states of Europe, and for
securing the peace of this country. There was the same
daeger now as in 1815 to be provided against—the threat-
ened aggrandisement of the northern powers. If our neglect
of Poland in 1830 was excused from the distance of the
scene of action this objection no longer existed ; for the
countries surrounding Poland had no longer an interest in
oppressing her, and her shattered fragments would soon
become re-united. The government were bound to take'
care that the great duty, which they abandoned long ago, of
vindicating the rights of the weak against the strong, should
not he entirely disregarded in the present aspect of the
political world.
Mr. OSBORNE seconded the motion ; but he thought it
right to remark that he believed there were not sufficient
members in the house to do justice to the question.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and 31 members only
being present the house adjourned at a quarter to twelve
o'clock.

ANOTHER DEPUTXTION OF THE WORKING MEN OF
MANCHESTRIt, being the third, waited yesterday upon the
mayor and magistrates, at the Town-hall. These men came
up from one of the anion test houses, where they were em-
ployed to break stoner. The deputation consisted of four,
escorted by all the working men of the stone yard, who
ranged themselves in something like military order before
the hall, whilst the deputation went in. The deputation
were received by the mayor and Mr. Maude (stipendiary
magistrate) ; and Capt. Willis, superintendent of police, WAS
present. One of the deputation said he had a wife and air
children, and was paid for breaking stones in the stone yard
6s. per week. Out of this be hat to pay 2s. per week for
rent, not to mention fire and newsier+, things not calculated
to fill their stomachs. He had at that time existed more
ts,an a week upon one meal a day of thin porridge only. He
corn. lained that for this scanty sum he had to work in the
stone-yard five days a week, twelve hours per day, and the
least neglect was visited with a deduction. lie thought this
was very hard usage; they could not seek out for new
or better employment upon that system, and he said
what they wantedoy was that the working men ix the stone.
yard should be allowed half of each day to seek fresh employ.
meat in, not only as a matter of justice to themselves, but
as relief to the parish. The other workmen of the depot*.
tim rude similar statements.—Mr. Maude explained to the
deputation that the money given them was notes wagesu ,
des.
titute a condition as themselves, and it was a delicate duty
for the guardians to lay out the money so as to satisfy one
party and do justice to the others. He assured them the
magistrates deeply sympathised with their condition. The
deputation said all they wanted was the opportunity to bet-
ter themselves.—The mayor promised that this view of their
case should be laid belore the guardians of the union .—They
then withdrew.

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MAILS.
The mails foe Vign, Oporto, Madeira, Cadiz, ead ciatow
will be made up en the morning of the 7th dog.
The overhand clorall Marseille., to the Medit
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, Hung-Kong,Sc, wig be matlerralvt
erenung of the 7W ApnL
The mails for Britith North Amer..,it and the I:tatel awe.
will be roue up en the erening of the 7th AptiL
The West India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Namani lie
Honduras, New °awn, Vera (tn., Tampico, and Pond itior7Z
including those for Madeira, Jaetnel, Carthamari, Santa math,
p.m', West Coast of South America, and ht. Jutgwai:
Niearaptii, will be made up on the evenir.g of the 17,h April.
The overland mails toe Gibrottur, Male, (ireece, the lai,ahlahad,
Beene, Aden, Ceylon, India, Ilona-Kong, and C1.,,,,i aio daadait:
ton, will be nude op on the morning of the 20th Aprils
The mails for New South Watts, Van iheman's Land, end
Zealand will be made up ou the evening of the 30th ApriL
The marls for the West CAM of Africa and Madeira leal be Bait
up on the evening of the 30th April.
The mat's de the Brazils, the River Plate, Monte video, Penns.
boot, P.,bie, Madeira, and Beet., .‘yrrA, Will be Made eo se 24
'Vetting 01 the 4th May.

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LONDON,IVEDNESDAY,APRILS.
A MOItE sensible, a more courageous, a more noble
answer was never given by minister or sovereign to
insidious petitioners, than M. LansirrtNE mane al
Month}, to Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN and the Kish der.
tation. When we recollect how monarchs, with ill
their boasted chivalry of sentiment, have behaved sad
do behave on similar occasions ; when we remember
the conduct of Louts XVI. to the Americans iandieluen
we see before our eyes the language of the Xing of
l'ausslA to the Sleswigers, we must sac that the
Foreign Minister of the French Provisional Govern-
ment has shown an example of honesty, frankness,
and disinterestedness, in international policy, of which
there are few examples in kingly history.
M. LAM IRTINE is no petty or local politician. His
views of history, as of politics, have ever been large,
Empires and their fortunes, great men and great
philanthropic aims, interest him. He has no
sympathy for the petty advocate or the dull squire,
who seek to earn illustration and renown, by set-
ting up their own district as a kingdom, and cents.
eating the unity and greatness of empires for the sake
of fostering the vanities of local coteries or small men.
England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain—such
are the units, which a genius like that of
L.AMARTINE loves to contemplate. He knows
that the British empire hes been mere
than any of them the cradle, and the protector, sad
the developer of liberty, as well as the source from
which most of the great, the moral, and civilising
ideas of modern times have sprung. This has been
owing to the greatness, the power, and unity of the
empire. And if Ireland and liishmeo have cacti.
bated, as they have mainly contributed, to this musd
bright deeds and glorious inventions, he knows that
the Irish have done this as Englishmen, speaking the
English tongue, associating with the English and the
English mind, and enjoying those liberties and advan-
tages which English institutions and English political
education alone in the world have hitherto be.
stowed. M. LAMAUTINE is too great and too high.
regarding a man to wish for the destruction or dis-
memberment of that British empire so long the nay
eye and planet of Europe, and by whose blinding
or eclipse, Europe might even now be once more in-
volved in darkness.
M. LANIARTIER'S answer was what we expected
from him as a man and as a statesman, although we
must own we feared to see another tone assumed by
a member of the French Provisional Government.
We regret to see that government, as a whole, es
week, and so unable even to follow up and execute
ifs
own unanimous and solemn resolutions. That of e
civic guard is an example. The esniblish-
' ment of one was determined, and has not been
acted upon. It was also fully decided that the
acquisition of the railroads should be left to the
consideration of the future assembly ; but M. G.ir,stre
PAGES has again revived the idea, and once more
seeks to terrify the companies.
We are not indeed inclined to be severe st
hostile even to the more democratic members
of the Provisional Government. We believe that
even they would be glad to back out of the
terrible embarrassments which beset them, and
that if feasible means could be offered them for
getting rid of mob dictation they would grasp them.
But they can scarcely do other than they arc doing—
that is, strive to content the people till the meeting
of the National Assembly, and seek to render that
assembly really republican, in order to avoid civil
war and reaction.
But as we said before, and cannot too often repeat,
a government under the dictation of a mob of °pert-
tivcs, or of men pretending to be operatives, is in-
possible. Common sense, national pride, self-defenx,
will rebel against it. And that a populace, the
constituting itself dictatorial, will be put down, enn
though it numbered half a million, is inevitable. U
persuasion and address, good feeling and prem•
ment, will not do it, the armed citizens should attempt
it. For, if they do not, the military will infallibly
undertake it ; and, if they do so, it may be for their
own profit, and not for that of citizen or civilian-
We should sincerely regret any 'such contingency.
The Parisian populace have now been masters for
five weeks, yet we have not heard of any crimes, of
' bloodshed, or of rapine, except in a few instances.
And we doubt if any capital could be laid at the
mercy of its lower classes with so few bad or fearful
consequences. We do hope, therefore, that the eon-
ing assembly may,notwithstanding the threats uttered
against it, acquire au ascendancy, and exercise it with
a courage, equal to the terrible crisis.
At all events we have reason to congratulate or
selves on the tone taken by M. LAMARTINE, both in
Irish and in Belgian politica. That minister wales, as
doubt, no more prevent M. GREGOIRE'S legion from
entering Belgium, than he could prevent the flocking
of certain self-constituted French emissaries thorn
Dub
lin. The French government has been bat
accident and circumstances, and obeys their terrible
impose and necessity. But that the successfulmard-
section chose LAMARTINE forits mouthpiece tpbuturl
both France and Europe have reason to rejoice.

Montt than a passing paragraph in the missal,
peons department of our journal appears to be &eV
the contrast drawn by a correspondent of the 41110_
nreum between the salaries allowed for the 6111111
services of scientific men, and the remuneratioa
by the government to messengers and doorkeeria
The subject of economy in the public expendttele
occupying, and being still likely to occupy, a large
share of attention, the facts that out literary cooler,
porary has put forward demand the consideratille
all who would aid in bringing about that 6000
reform which is admitted on all hands to he
urgently required. We are likely to find the
most valuable data for the work of retrenchmeet
in those glaring disproportions between the sa.
portance and the emolument of such offices as the.
whose salaries form the materials for the contrast 10
which we have alluded. When we find duties of en
humble and ordinary kind paid for at a much higbet
rate than occuations involving the necessity for the
loftiest intellectual attainments, we may conclude that
the latter are most inadequately rewarded, or that the
former are allowed to reap the undeserved fruits 01
gross extravagance. Injustice to one class of servat?ll
has either been practised, or an excess of ge nerostY
has been shown to another class, whose emplern,S
do not seem to demand any much higher capael,_tl
than is required from the generality of mere meleoll'.
It is really disgraceful to the country that its pea
Mary estimate of science and literature should be ele
higher, and, in some instances, even lower, than
value it sets on the ability to open a door or to
delive
a message. The doorkeeper of the House of
.01:
mona receives no lees than bl,li. a year, whileta