The Express.
London, England, 1862-02-26 00:00:00

N HIPPI\I: BILL

On the order for the mooed wading.
the G. GREY opposed the bill oe the ground that be
thought it would be exceedingly inexpedient to take away
altofether the power of inflietieg corporal punish.
meld for repeated arts of insuborilinatioo in gaol.
The bon hieinher fir Sheffield hail, however, done
well in bein.zont the mania under notice. and would find it
Rhombi not be ne4lectol if he left it in the
hands of the Secretary of state. With respect to
the seem' part. lie would remind the honourable member
that in the Vrimioal 13tfentlers %ct of last 14,,,i0t1 the num-
ber of strokes to be inflicted. and the instrument to be
used, was enleved to be specified in the sentence. This,
however, referryil only to adults, and he had no objection to
retain so much of tl.e him. member's hill ns extended that
pios ision to juvenile offenders. Perhaps the best way
would be to withdraw the present bill, sod introduce a men.
imre with that specific purpose.
33r. 11.11011.:L1t was willing to adopt the suggestion of
the ri4lit hon. baronet. He would, however, remark
d whilst in .2 counties of England and Wales no
was iuthaell by order of the visiting justices,
it .11.. bester the ilogginiAwnixotersormons. (Hear, hear.)
was also the caw in During
three years it
the return I,l' boys hail been ,e• dhi
glares, some receiving 148 stroke' for steaft as
In WAcen,l.l, which WAGS pies withaporaisikevery
t.. the. of Mon heater, there was not a 'Wee case et
f: .„t11,4. Su it punishments were inconsistent with the
.pmt of en age in which we had 350,000 Sunday-school
teacher, teaching 3.01110.001) of children, and, as be wee
The
to without a single stroke of the cat. (Heir.)
The prictice of flogging was adopted not against the rich
but against the poor.
Mt S. F.STCI 11 ItT was glad the hoe. member had adopted
the ,uggesstion of the Horne Secretary, but wished he had
refrained from his speech. Ho (Mr. Estrourt) thought that
in. idious distinctions between rich and poor should be
avoided.
After a short discussion, . .

Mr. IIF:N LEY ex 1 his satisfaction that this matter
I. id :it last attracted the attention of her Majesty's 10,01111-
meet. When be looked over those returns be wee horrified
•,.e the punishments' indicted on children of Wader years.
If such things wens allowed to go on, that which under
;.roper regulations might be a salutary: mew of punish-
ment was likely to degenerate into mushy and tyranny.
(Hear, hoar.) It never could be esoresary for the ends of
justice to have children two or three yarn old punished
aith the rat.

Sir F. SMITH said that, from ten years' experience in
th...irroy. be could say that dogging was a most unnecessary
ponishment. These return. discloeed a most homble state
.1 things, and required the immediate interferenoe of the
ore.
Sir Ft. LEInITTON wished, as a visiting justice to
disabuse the public mind as to the statement that had be=
made by the promoters of this hill. It had been stated
that a flop was thr,,,ged for stealing an orange. The fact
ICI. that the boy in question was whipped for his previous
Lad character. ('' Oh, ob.")
Mr. BLACK thought that when flogging was adminis-
terra there should be no imprisonment, which only trans-
formed the chihlren into gaol birds.
Mr. HENNESSY recommended the bringing in of a bat
for the total abolition of dogging in schools or prisons.
Mr. lII'S T thmight that the case of a child of " three
years old in the returns Inuit be a misprint. He hoped the
Sivretari, of State would cause in lorries to be made SS 10
the fact. He was happy to say that in the county which
Le represented not a single case of fLyging was set down.
Mr. BRISCOE thanked his bon, friend for having
hrougbt this sulect before the house. As amagnitrate of
hi yean' experience he objected to caporal pan' t, se
bring brutal and unnecessary.
Bill, by leave, withdrawn.

DIETROVOLIS LOCAL NANACEMICNT ACM
___ AMENDMENT BILL
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Yr. UTE varavaitixTeaio;drciiiiog e 4 this bill,wbiels he
stated was idestival with the bill of last seamen. _ _

Mr. Clt.tWFt iltD said that the bill seriously affected
the interesta his constituency. and urged that the next
stage should ho deferred to 3 distant day, In order that the
provisions 1111411 i be thiiroaghle investigated.
Mr. L 4 WICK opposed the bill, and wu glad to find he
had an ally to the repos:tentative of the city of London.
Ile believed, however, that he owed his 11011. friend's su
port to the (Act that a feud had sprung up betwor the
rite .4 Lenshin soil the R.wnl of Works. The bitter Navin(
dinned the right of marking all the pa widen in the Qh,
a enretemeree h.od anion there, and, sea cousequence, the
pummel attendee( his has. friend. It had been proved be-
fore • pseudo*, of that house that the constitution of the
Mirtropolitaa Mani of Works required amendment. The
eyeliner was stemilr in favour of direct election.
Mr. oW thought that the bill having been fully
inuetiptal us committee there was no group.' for further
delay. He denied that there was any quarrel between
the Metropolitan Hoerl sod the City authorities.
Sir J. SUELLEN' said be intended to propose a clause
autkeee.jeg the various localities to tax thereeelves for local
improvements in which the inhabitants oleos were interested.
He Airmailed the paetpimerneat of the secood reading.
Mr. AV KTON believed that the result of the
seat system of electioo hel canoed general d
meet. It was his intention to propose another mede
of rtection more io IlrefitliatNli with the reeoranseedatteee

d the committee, and ►n iocrease of the number dad
powers of the !mull, with a view b. the formation of 'O-
rient executive committee., resembling those whisk had
worked so well in the city of London.
Mr. Ci IX thought the hill should he referred to a Wool
committee.

Sir GREY inprerted the ',mod reading.
The bin meatball read a mooed time.
CONVF.V.‘NCE VOTEIN BILL
Os the motioo for the sewed raiding of this bill,
if,. CAVE noised its rejection ea the ground that prac-
tically it mould dislinehies any seastituseeks.
[Left minis.]