The Express.
London, England, 1847-04-23 00:00:00

PRIVILEGE.

The Marquis of that on the minutes
of the day there stood in his name a motion relating
to the question of landlord and tenant in Ireland. He
wished to withdraw that notice, in order that the nation
should crane on in an amended term after the second reading
of the Psor Relief (Ireland 1 Bid, which stood fixed for
Thursday, the 29th inst. Ile wished to have brought the
law (,f landlord and tenant in Ireland under their lordships'
notice without in any way obstructing the progress of the
Dill for the relief of the poor in Ireland, which her Majesty 'a
government bad placed upon the table. With this view, and
not desiring to add to the crime of being an Irish landed
proprietor any ground for supposing he desired to interfere
with the progress of that measure, he should withdraw the
motion and briny it forward in an amended form. Though
be was an Irish proprietor, he did not choose to be
the butt of misrepresentation by any of the organs
of public information. In the Times newspa?cr of Wednesday
last, there was published a report of the proceedings in that
house on the preceding evening, in which the observations
he (the Marquis of Westmeath) had made were purported
to be given; but much that bo had not said was attributed
to him, while, on the other hand, much that he had said
was carefully and intentionally omitted. It wasststed that,
"the Marquis of Westmeath complained of the ridicule
with which his proposal bad been received." Now, if he
ever said anything in the hearing of their lordships to ex-
pose himself to their ridicule he must be content to lie
under it ; but he knew that on the occasion referred to be
bad not done so, and therefore he had not cwaplained of any
ridicule. He was well acquainted with, and seas sensitisely alive
to these matters, anal it was clear to him that the objet and
intention of this newspaper, and of another to which he
should presently refer, was, by misrepresentation, to bold
him up to the antipathies ofthe Irish population. lie was not
more careful about his life than was any otter of their lord.
ships, but dill he did not court the bullet ef t assawin. With
reap.ct to the other jonroal to which he alluded—the San
newspaper—three words had been rut into his mouth which
be never uttered; indeed he should be ashamed to put togo.
tber a composition so illiterate, and in such bad English, as
it had attributed to him. The San reported him to have
said, "it was a poor thing that no exertions were made to
mitigate the condition of the Irish landlord., without sub-
jecting them to ridicule." Now he (the Marquis of West-
meath) sold no such thimr. He prayed their lordships' sup-
port to pat • stop to this evil, and he now moved that the
voider' of those two newspanem—the Timer end the Sem—
& ordered to attend at the bar of this house, to answer for a
breach of its privileg.s.
Lord BROUGIIANI said that no person was more ready
than he was to concede that it was absolutely necessary that
their lordships should see that the reports of their proceed-
ings were given to the public with fairness, honesty,
honour, and accuracy. Ile felt this as entirely and as com-
pletely as the noble marquis, who had stated that ho bad
came to complain; and he felt that if the complaint was
well founded, he joined with him in thirking that the
matter was open to reprobation and erasure. At the same
time, he would advise the noble marque, to take the course
he (Lord Brougham) had pursued in such matters during
the 37 years he had been in this anal the other Memo of
parliament—namely, to avoid, if possible, needlessly inter-
posing the privilege of parliament in such cases. (Hear,
hear.) That they had a right to exclude all persons from
being present during the debates, nobody could dispute—
neither could it be denied that it was by • permissive
breach of the privileges of this house that those who fur-
nished the reports were not excluded; but, at the same
time, the house ought to consider that those persons
who gave to the public an account of their lordahips'
proceeding* were, not ninety-nine times in a hundred, but
an 909 times out of 1,000, actuated by the fairest motives—
(Hear, hear)—and gave with great—with singular—with
exceeding ability, and with most admirable impartiality, ac-
counts of all that passed within the walls of parliament.—
(Hear, hear.) He (Lord Brougham) therefore put it to his
friend whether he did not think the notice he had now
taken of the matter was sufficient without pressing the mat-
ter further ? In his experience, both in the other and in I
this house of parliornent, he had never known any good
arise from entering suddenly into a conflict with the public
press. If there had been sty wilful suppression or misre-
presentation., the parties aught to soiree for it, but it should
be re 'membered there were great difficulties in the way of
those imlividuala, thsy were now in a new house, and their
lordships voices hut not yet got properly pitched so as to be
fully heard. He, therefore, hoped his hon. friend would take
that fact as a eireunistence of mitigation. He was sure that
his nobla friend would exercise justice, and justice in mercy.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he concurred
with the noble and learned lord opposite, and on the grounds
he had stated, hoped the noble marquis would not persevere
in his motion.
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The Marquis of WESTMEATH said, after the advice
given him by those of greater experience than he pos-
sessed, he should not be so obstinate as to refuse
to adopt It. (Hear, hear.) Ho did cot wish to fetter the
public press, but be must say that, in the present state of
Ireland, whatever any member of either house who was con-
meted with Ireland might state with respect to that country
ought to be accurately and correctly (riven. Ile was sorry to
my that the other morning pape:s followed the same course,
except the Morning Chrw;ick,wbicbgave a totally different
report o' what he had stated, which showed that the inac-
curacy did not arise from any difficulty in h-ming. With
respect to the Tunes, connecting the sentence of which he
complained with an article in that paper of to-day, full of
scurrilous abuse of him (the Marquis of Westmeath), which
he pawed by with contempt, he felt that the misrepresenta-
tion was deliberate and intended, and that a part of his
speech had been cut out to found the attack of to-day. How-
ever, Hide lordships had heard the cue with attention, and
he should withdraw his motion.

The LORD CHANCELLOR disclaimed any inter.tinn of
wounding the feelings of the noble Marquis by the obsenn-
None he had made on the previous evening. He had in.
tended to confine his remarks solely to the bill then before
the house.

The Marquis of WESTMEATH believed the noble and
learned lord was incapable of acting in an unamiable man-
ner, but still he felt that he had not 'beell well tr.reieti by the
noble and learned lord. The mot; 7.0 wee then m ighdcauo,
POOR RELIEF (In ELAND), BILL.
'tats llett k,A...n....oisttTY, after presenting some peti-
tions in reference to this bill, weut at SEM length into objec-
tions he entertained with 2TP-7w to sonia of its chew;
upon which (as we understood), he expressed hit inteugion
to take the sense of the house.—Tbe low tone in which the
noble earl spoke, prevents us from attempting to gists the
observations which he addressed to the house.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made a few remarks in
rep`} the
earltne I:huratpot/InifiliwtighnowtlteLwe.beln aienvye), to ass
clause g-iiTrien3thae
general right to out-door relief.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM wished to ask a question of his
noble friend, first reminding him that it was a condition in
the other house, that no bill for the benefit of the proprie-
tors of Ireland should pass, without its being accompanied
by a poor law for that country. A Lill for the ruppremon of
vagrancy in Ireland had been introduced into the other
house, and be wished to know, if it did not pass, if it was to
be understood that the other measures would not be carried?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it was impossible for
him to soy what course would he taken is the other house ;
all ho could say was, that no efforts would be spared en the
part of the gosernment to have the sagraney bill, which he
considered to have a connexion with tthhe poor law, adopted
without delay.
FEVER (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of the Earl of CLARENDON the house went
into committee on this bill.
Lord MONTEAC LE said that hewn quite in favour of the
bill, but as it at present stood it proposed that the adminis-
tration of the hospitals should be ca.t on the medical officers
of the unions; and owing to the sire of the unions they
would not be efficient for the purpose. Ile wished to pro-
pose acme amendments which would reader the supervision
more effectual. He would not, however, make them now,
but would give them to hit noble friend for his consideration,
end let hint decide if he thought them fitted for the purpose.
He regretted that a measure of a larger kind had not
been brought forward by the !government for the general
improvement of medical charities in Ireland without which
they were shorn of half their usefulness. For such a pur-
pose the proprietors of Ireland were prepared to ke taxed.
The Marquis of IVESTMEATH suggested, that as the
facilities for getting diplomas in Scotland were so great, sad
practitioners came from there to Ireland, some protection
should be given to the members of the Irish college.
The Earl of CLANCARTY regretted that the government
did not last session introduce a measure founded on the
Medical Charities
The Marquis oftecARICARDE said that this measure
was entirely temporary. It was impossible to frame a general
bill for the administration of medical charities in Ireland so
as to meet the present evil.
The Elul of CLARENDON observed that it was necessary
that this bill should pass without delay.
The bill then passed through committee, and was reported ;
to be read a third time to-morrow (this day).
Their lordships adjourned at 25 minutes to 7.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TtlfritaßaY, APRIL 22.
The Bpeaka took the chair at four o'clock.
_ _ PRIVATE BUSINE4S.

PErrnoNs.—B, Mr7CiensOrrCet, aga----inst the Liverpool Water 1
Works BilL—Mr. Oaac a, against 110131 C or the branches of the Eastern
Counties B. Dramas, against the Leeds, Be
and set:nary.
Manchester xatlway.—Loral H. VANK, against the era lee.—
Mr. M. J. O'Coerstit., against the South Wales and the Birmingham
nod Oxford lines
REPOILTS.-11artlepool West Mohair and Dock (dock extension) ;
London and South W( ,tern Railway 'widening, tee.) ;
171IRD READINGS.—Denren Weerworks and Bearrohi ; New-
haven Detour, Owe Lower Navigation. and Lerma awl Masten
Drainage; Newmarket and Chenlerford Railway (eztexidan to met-
h:ad) ; Newmarket and Chesterford Railway (gee:neon to Racy St.
rAmond's, with a branch to Ely); Bille.
PUBLIC BUSINPSS.
PETlTlONS.—Rdoestion: By Mr. 0. B. rams, from dissenters
and Sun.l.tyachsta teacher. of Bristol ; Me from disteiVera
of Milton, Nottingham, and other place,; Mr. Bawler, from Cam-
beige, Nernesstie-an.Tyne, anal about SA other plans; Mr. Mac.

anise., from Leamington aad other Oates; Mr. Paormotoe, from
dissenters of Ihdlfax ; Mr. 13. envenom, from a place in Middlesex.
--Sir W. etvw, a petition tram a dare noti breed, and by en boo.
member. against the government seleeme of odunition.—Sir R. Inoue,
from a place in Latlealelirej Sir .1. C. Ifoultur‘r, from Nottingham;
Mr. Mai.% from ministers end churchwardens m Bristol; Sir J. II A,
MLR, from the ouermine of Bull; Mr. Bemoans, front Romney ; Mr.
(altillak, front Wykehant ; Mr. Moracenor, from Leamington; Ste.
reanann, from &Owe's Yorkshire; WM., lay, from a place not heard;
by an hoc. member also, and Mr. Mem.; mural potitiom. all in
favour of the ocheros of alocation—Sir R. Is,aort from ministers of
Ahrosent, agaimt. the Scotch Registruitut Bill.—Mr. Miens, from a
pill:r in 140111011etahlre, against the Poor Remora) Act.—Mr. Poets,
from a hedy of farmers, in favour of the Agricultural Tenant eight
BILL—CoI. /dean from Ayrshire, agninet the scotch Itegatrution
itill.—Mr. Y. swoon, from a plate in Yortehire, against the Antnany
I Bill.—Mr. Ir .star, from inhabiunts of liolteirn. for a poor-law
In Ireland; from a augment is the OM GraMon Go ord.. eotnnlmoiog
of the opproalve conduct of his superior °Mee, s ' • tram operatives of
' Glasgow, in form to e of the Feet Stu Bill; from the parishes of St.
George ant Si. Gina, against the Health of Towns thlL—Mr. lien.
Ans 4. from York, arainat any further coneeerions to the Roman
Casholto..—Sir C. Nat-roe, from Inhabitants of Marylebone. com-
plaining of the conduct of the emolutesioners of Bowers; from a
public meeting in London, in
_favour of the elation of the Rajah of
*tura.
COMMITTEES ON PRIVATE BILLS.
Mr. HUME moved—" That all committees on private
bills be coast:tilted of flee members only. who shall be ap-
pointed by the committi e of selection, in the same manner
as committees on railway bills; Visit the committee of classi-
fication shall form into groups ail bins which, iu their opi-
nion, it would be expedient to submit to the 'erne commit-
tee; that the resolutions of the house, ef 3rd Feb., 1847, I.:-
toting to niileay bills, be extended to all railway bills; that,
at the commencement of each session, a panel of chairmen
of committees 03 private bills be appoint. 0 by the commit-
tee of selection, and reported to the house ; and that the
chairman ef every committee be selected from such panel."
RE-iOLUTIONS ON RAILWAY BILLS.
Sir J. li ItAHAM moved to &maid the first resolution of
the 23rd of February last, relatiag to railway hills, by omit-
ting the words " considered in committees of this house," and
to substitute the words "reported by committees to this
house." As the resolution stood, it was productive of great
delay and inconvenience. All the ends proposed by the re-
solution would be answered by substituting the words he
suggested, and by allowing the commitipes to report before
4cceling on the preamble of a bill.
Mr. STRU IT said he was not in any way answerable for
the delay which the resolution had oczasioned.
Mr. E. YORKE spoke of the inconvenience which had
been occasioned to a committee of which be was eaairman.
After a few words from Mr. F. BAILING, Mr. B. DENISON,
end Mr. Gibbon:in,
Mr. HUME said that if the railway commissioners had
not the power to compel the necessary returns, they ought
to come to the house for additional powers.
Mr. STItUTT said the commissioners hod not yet been
delayed its their duties through the absence of returns; when
such a case arose, they should apply to the house.
The motion was then agreed to.
POOR REMOVAL ACT.

Mr. BANK ES—said that he wiehcd to ask the right hon.
pc:airman the Secretary of State for the 'Lime Department,
whether the motion which he had on the notice-paper for
that day week respecting the Poer•law, had any te:erence tc
the Pot. Remosnl bill of last session.
Sir 0. GREY said that he merely intended to propooe on
alteration in the administration of the koor-law, but to make
no alteration in the law itself. . . . . . .

Mr. BANKES then gave notice that on that day wet k he
would move for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the Puar
Removal Ant. . .

'SECRET -PAPERS OF THE EAST INDIA COM-
PANY. . . .

Mr. HUME said that, iiill;e was no objection, he would
like to more for a list of secret papers laid before the Court
of l) rectors of the East India Company by tho Board of
Co itrol since January, 1840; distinguishing those papers
that wens kept in secret court of &meters.
Sir .1. 11011IIOUSE said that he did not know the exact
way in which the hon. gentleman wbhed the list to be made.
Mr. ILUIssE said that whit ho wanted was a list of the
papers, not what they contained.
Sir J. HOBBOUSE said that he wished to consider on
the matter; he feared that there were strong objections to
making out such a list, as he believed au additional number
of clerks would be required for the purpose.
Mr. lIUME then postponed his mob m.

MILITARY TRANSPORTATION.
Mr. HOPE wished to ask a question, of which he gave
notice., relating to the transportation of military offenders.
He understood that in future it was intended to convey
criminals from India to undergo their sentence in the Cape
of Good Hope. He wished to know if that were correct,
and if so, whether the arrangement was made with the con-
currence of the colonial authorities, and how the convicts
were to be rum:totted ?
Mr. lIAW ES said that with regard to the transportation
of military coot lets, the only reference made to tho Cape of
Good Hope was this. that military convi.ns at the Mauri-
tius should be provided for at the Cape of Good Hope.
where there was a convict depot which was worked to great
advantage. With regard to their support, they were to be
supported by the imperial, not the colonial, funds. There
was no other provision for them at present.