The Express.
London, England, 1847-07-13 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDA'

quire into the operation of the existing reeled/ass in ro.
ferenee to the bonding of British spirits to the United
Kingdom, and to the rectification of British spirits for
exportation." This was • ease in which the English rectifier
and the Scotch distiller were equally interested. He hoped
the subject world have the consideration of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer during the recess.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
would be utterly. useless to appoint a committee at this
period of the semen; but the matter should certainly have
his attention.
The motion was not premed, and the house then went into
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The first item was 3,5151., expenses of the temporary ac-
commodation at the houses of parliament, which was agreed
to, without remark.
On the next item, 10,000!. for the expenses of Portpatrick
harbour. _

Mr. ROSS opposed it, as a waste of money, contending
that the harbour was perfectly useless. Seven or eight
hours were saved by going from Glasgow to Belfast.
Mr. HUDIE said, every one acquainted with the placo
must be convinced that this was a waste of money. The
right hon. baronet opposite (Sir 0. Clerk) when in office
had pledged himself that only a certain amount should be
asked for, but though that was expended, the vote was con-
tinued.
Sir G. CLERK said this was correct, but he believed the
harbour works had been more c,etly than was anticipated.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this
vote was principally required for payment of the debt; but
some communication was absolutely necessary, and if a
railway were taken to Portpatrick, this communication to
Donaghadee, which was the shortest, might become the
best. Hence the policy of keeping up a communication iu
that direction. . . . . . .

Mr. HUME said there ought at least to be an inquiry, as
had been promised when the pledge was given by the late
government. He should move that the grant be postponed
till souse inquiry took place.
Mr.ROSS advocated the postponement of the grant, and
said that the harbour was an extremely bad and dangerous
one.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
would be extremely unwise to give up what they had, with-
out knowing what was to he substituted for it.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that 170,0001. had been ex-
pended on this harbour, and everybody said that it would
never be good for anything, for it had &rooky bottom. There
was a harbour already made at Ardrossan' and another party
proposed to make one without a single shilling of expense to
the public. This was nothing but a job for the benefit of a
Whig pi-er.
Mr. FERRAND called on the government either to admit
or deny this.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he was
not aware of any whig peer being concerned in the matter.
The committee then divided.—For the vote 118
Against it -114
SAO/. for drainage in Ireland.
600,0001. for the relief of distress in Ireland.
Lord CLEMENTS wished to take this opportunity of
alluding to an article in the Morning Chronicle. He had
always looked upon the Chronicle as a respectable paper,
and believed it was an organ of the goverament. (Great
laughter from the treasury and ministerial beaches.) Well,
he might be mistaken—(hear);—but at any rate he was sorry
to see that paper trying to intimidate a member of the
house. He had frequently said that the money advanced to
Ireland could not be repaid, and he reiterated the statement
on Saturday last. An hon. member had said that not only
the property of Ireland should be sold to repay the money
advanced, but he had said the gentry of Ireland ought also
to be sold for a similar purpose. (Much laughter.) It
might be matter of amusement to hon. members, as well as
editors; but he would repeat that he thought the money had
been badly administered, and could not be repaid.
The house then resumed. and the report was ordered to be
brought up to-morrow at 12 o'clsek.
WAYS AND MEANS.

On the motion for going into committee on way* and

mean,
Dr. NICHOLL inquired whether the Poor Removal Act
extended to Wales?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it did. He was
aware that a different opinion was entertained ; but inasmuch
as it was provided that the word "England" in the act must
be taken to include Wales and Berwick-upon-Tweed, it was
his opinion that Wales was included in the provisions of
the act.

The house then went into committee of ways and means,
and several votes haring been agreed to, the house resumed,
and the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow at
12 o'clock.
CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS.
_ .

The SPEAKER they informed the house that the Lords
wished to have a conference with the Commons.

Lord John Russell, Sir G. Grey, Sir R. Feel, Lord G.
Bentinck, Sir J. Graham, the Attorney-General, the Soli-
citor. General, and other hon. members, accordingly left the
house, to hold a conference with the Lords.
Upon the return of the managers on the part of the Com-
mons, Lord J. RUSSELL announced that the managers on
the part of the Lords had handed to them certain resolutions
as to the conduct of the business between the two houses.
The noble lord subsequently proposed that the resolution.
should be referred to a select committee. The substance of
the resolutions was that the Lords would receive several hills
coming from the Rouse of Commons together, instead of
receiving each bill separately as heretofore; and secondly.
that they would in future allow birs to be brought up by 5
instead of 8 members. The motion was agreed to.
THE COUNT DE TOJAL.

Mr. MACKINNON wished to ask a question of the hon.
member for Wickham (Mr. B. Osborne) with reference to
his speech the other night. (Cries of " Order.") He was
not aware that he was out of order in referring to the hon.
member's speech ; but he had been requested to do so on
behalf of a Portuguese nobleman. (Cheers.)
Mr. B. OSBORNE could anticipate what the hon. gen-
tleman was going to say. He (Mr. B. Osborne) undentood
that Mr. Oliveira felt hurt at some observatiom which he
had made with reference to his relative, the Count de Tejal,
the Portuguese Chancellor of the Exchequer. He felt it
right now to state that he had been informed the count had,
since he became possessed of the means, paid off his obliga-
tions iu a very honourable way, and that he was no lom;ir
a defaulter. cHear, hear.)
PEW ZEALAND (No. 2) BILL.
Mr. HAWES, in reeving the order of the day for the
second reading of this bill, said, that it consisted of two parts.
The one consisted in an advance of public money to the New
Zealand Company, and the other had reference to the control
over the affairs of the company, which the government
thought it right to retain in their hands in the event of par-
liament consenting to advance the money. It was proposed
to advance the money on two grounds; the first was, be-
cause they were of opinion that by so doing they would give
an encouragement to colonisation in New Zealand ; and the
second, because his noble friend at the head of tho colonial
department came to the conclusion, that inasmuch as the
New Zealand Company had suffered in consequence of the
long delay which occurred wills regard to the settlement of
their claims, they were entitled to aid and support out of the
make purse. Lord Stanley, in a despatch dated in 1845, and
addressed to Governor Grey, admitted the necessity ofuphold-
Ing the colonisation.operations of the New Zealand Company
and the right hon. baronet likewise admitted the importance
ofupholding them as a useful instrument of the government.
It was admitted that the company could not carry on their
opagatlens unless the government came to their aid. The
company had expended 200,0001. of paid-up capital ; they
had raised 277,0001. front the sale of land ; and altogether
they expended 636,0001. It must be admitted that the
country was greatly indebted to the company for their active
and enterprising undertaking, and it was in fact to them that
they owed the possession of the island, The colony was
sow advancing in a prosperous condition, owing to the
great ability and energy of the present governor, Captain
Grey, to whom it was owing that the natives were now
reconciled to British rule—that the paper debt bad been
reduced—that trade had been restored—that the revenue
had been increased, and that the island was rendered of
great value to the crown. The government having exa-
mined the affairs of the company, and seeing that they had
a fair and reasonable prospect of success before them, pro-
posed to advance a sum of 136,0001. to the company, to be
paid by instalments during the next three years. The bill
of last session, under which:the company were lent 126,0001.,
was a temporary measure, and passed to prevent their bank-
ruptcy. If the company succeeded in promoting colonisa-
tion and settlement on a large scale, it was perfectly clear
that they would be able to pay the debt due to the
government, and the interest on the capital ex-
pended. If, on the other hand, the company failed
in their efforts to resume colonisation and to found
settlements en a large state, if they were obliged to wind up
their affairs at the end of the three years, provision was made
for that contingency, and the 1,000,000 of acres now belonging
to the company would come into the possession of the crown
at the fixed value of ss. an acre. With regard to the con.
trout, which it was thought desirable to maintain over the
affairs of the company, it was proposed that the crown should
appoint a commissioner who would hare • right to attend
all meetings of the company to watch their proceedings. Ile
was to have an absolute veto on any proceedings which
he thought injurious to the security on which the advance
was to be made—namely, the land of the company. This
commissioner was to have a salary, which was to be paid out
of the money to be received by the New Zealand Company.
He did not anticipate arty oltection to this part of the bill.
The hon. gentleman having reads despatch from Capt. Grey,
describing the prosperous state of the colony, concluded by
urging on the house the good policy of supporting sueb asso-
ciations as the New Zealand Company, in the prosperity of
which the mother country could not fail to participate.
Lord G. DENTINCK said he did net rise for the purpose
of opposing the bill, as he was favourable to the principle of
maintaining their colonies, but for the purpose of remarking
that the government by proposing this bill had altogether
oostravened all those principle., of political economy which
they laid down in the early put of the sesien —naruely, that
they ought not to advance money to private companies and
destitute shareholders, and that they ought not to become
money lenders at all. They also contravened the doctrine
which they laid down at the same time, that the mate of the
money market was such as to render it altogether inexpedient
to lend any money to stimulate industry in any part of the
Queen's dominions.
Sir R. INGLIS said that there seemed to be a kind of
condonation on both sides with regard to former disputes on
the subject, which he was not going to renew. Ile thought
there was greet truth lathe observations of hie noble friend as
to the inconsistency of the government iu doing for the New
Zealand Company what they refused to do for companies
nearer home. But he rose for the purpose of bearing
his testimony of praise and approbation to the
conduct of the natives of New Zealand, and their
distinguished chief, lieki. A forbearance had been
manifested by the native chiefs which no age of chivalry
could exceed. Not only were the British officers whom they
had taken sent bock with their arm., but—what had never
before occurred amongst any tribes called meage—the womcn