The Express.
London, England, 1848-06-08 00:00:00

GERMANY.

The German journals manifest great diversity of
opinion respecting the form of the future executive
pow. rin and for the Germanic confederation. Some
are in favour of an emperor, others of an imperial
ministry, many of a provisional government, whilst a
few express the desire that the diet (which must not
be confounded with the national constituent aw mbly)
should be intrusted with tlw executive power until the
constitution be finally adopted. The Frithßfurt
Journal of June d, publishes the names of the mem-
beta placed on the committee appointed to examine
the various motions respecting the constitution of a
provisional central executive. It appears to be fairly
composed • upon it are M. Von Gagern of the prince's,
and M. Blum of the popular, party.
PRUSSIA.—We have received the following com-
munication from our cologne correspondent:
COLOGNE, 'luxe 6.
The latest intelligence from Berlin drig, d from pri-
vate as well is public sources, is still of a very uniatisfac-
tory nature, Uncertainty, distrust, and suspicion, still pre
dotilinat , and not only the ministry but the constitu -nt as.
mbly itself is falling into had odour. The many speeches
which hove been already delivered in that assembly, it. direct
or indirect denunciation of the events of M irch or their con.
fid gut cc..., and the refu•al (as stated yesterday) to attend
either in corp re or be deputation, the procession in honour
oldie victims of the March re .olution, have caused all but
general dissatisfaction. From so tie provi cial districts,
moreover (celebrated for their reerogade tendency), address, a
of the most insulting kind have been forwarded " to the pea-
ple of Berlin " (for such is their best line, if not their super-
scription), and published .n the Fos:ceche Zeitung and in
other journals. Meantime, commereial affairs are as
bad as ever, and employment is comparatively
scarce. The ministry have strenuously opposed in
the constituent assemhly the appointment of a com-
mittee to report on the origin and causes of the dis-
sensions a, d animosity between the Polish and German
races in the grrnd duchy of Posen. This opposition on their
part, which can only be accounted for by the it unwilling- '
nese to have the truth made known, has uteri ased their un-
popularity. Matters cannot long remain as they are in Ber-
lin, and some change fur better or worse may be shortly
looked for. _ _

.l pro. us of Posen, the archLishop has forwarded a remark-
able letter to the minister of the interior, in which he states
that out of the 1,240,000 inhabitants of that duchy,
there are 800,000 Puha, and only 400,000 Germans,
and Jews, amongst the former of whom there are 100,000
Roman catholies. He adds that if the numerous state ens-
ployrs, their families and dependent•, be deducted, there
are nut more than 200,000 non-Polish or non-catholic inha-
bitants, and that that number is composed in a great degree
of new comers and Jews without a country. He contends
that, in the organisation of the duchy, the wishes of the ma-
jority should be attended to ; otlarwi.e the Germans in St.
Petersburg, Moscow, and ti arsiaw, ra,ght demand with jus-
tice the annexation of those cities to the German Confedrra-
tion.

The Preuissischer Staab Anzeiger of the sth publiates
the tollowing letter from the Prince of Prussia to hi, royal
brother:

I reliectfully inform your Majesty that, conformably
with the order communicated to me, I have lett L mdon, and
again arrived on the continent. I bold this period to be the
most suitable one for openly expressing anew the sentiments
with which 1 return home—scntim, nts which are already
knurn to your Majesty. I fully entertain the h ,pe that the
tree institutions, for the former establishing of which your
Majesty has now convoked the representatives of the people,
will, with Gatl's gracious a..istance, be developed more and
more for the prosperity of Prussia. Confidently and loyally
I shall devote all my power t I the furtherance of that deve-
lopment; and I anticipate the women' when I shall *Arnow-
kdge the constitution which your Majesty is on the point of
drawing up in conjunctien, after conscientious examination,
with your people—an acknowledgment which will render
the constitutional charter binding on the euccemor to the
throne.—Brussels, May 30, 1843.—(8i,tncd) PRINCE OF
PRUSNIA."

The police authorities (according to the Vossiache Zeilung)
have forwarded to the citizen. y general a large collection of
handbills, placards, and circulars, wi.ich have been pub-
lished since March last. The object of this step is to ascer-
tain whither the authors or the printers have rendered
themselves amenable to the law. Such api oceeding on the
part of the police is set down by the above journal (a mode-
rately conservative one) as very imprudent.
It will be remembered that tome time ago, several popular
clubs in Berlin appointed a committee to proceed to the
wand duchy of Posen, in order to obtain accurate iufor-
mtvion respecting the real state of affairs there. The com-
mittee has since then published its report, the spirit and
nature of which may be gathered fin.:m the concluding por-
tion, which runs as follows:
" If we are asked What result do you bring b ick ? What
patty is in fault? Who has enkindled the civil war? Our
reply is, that the ministry is to blame fur all ,he blood that
has been shed. That ministry has excited civil war in the
provi .ce of Posen, for it sent there two generals with con-
trary instructions ; one breathing peace, the other cruelly
treating a despairing people struggling for freedom."
It is now all but certain that Russia is quietly taking steps
to win over the Poles not only in Prussian Poland but in
the kingdom of Warsaw. It is positively declared in several
German journals that there are numerous Russian agents in
the grand duchy of Posen who omit no opportunity of de-
nouncing—as well they may, whatever their intentions may
be—the recent atrocities committed there by the German
troops, and of setting forth in a strong point of view the
similarity existing between the Russian and Polish languages
and Russian and Polish habits and customs, to say nothing
of an identification of races. The Gazeta Poitkes of Posen
now declares that the Russian government has taken steps
to ameliorate the condition of the native working classes of
Warsaw, and as a first step has expelled all the German and
Jewish operatives. It may be stated here that ever since
the recent annexatien of a portion of the grand duchy of
Posen to the Germanic confederation, the Polish inhabitants
openly display a leaning towards Russia.
TRIESTE, MAY 30.—Count Liitzow, Austrian min-
ister at the court of Rome, arrived here to-day on
board the English war-steamer Locust.
HANOVER.—According to a proclamation issued
tin the evening of the Ist instant, by the civic autho-
rities of Hanover, all houses arc ordered to be closed
at 10 p.m., and all loitering in the streets is forbidden.
MECKLENBURG - SCHWERIN. Numerous
bands continue to levy black mail in the rural dis-
tricts of this duchy. In the vicinity of Waren there
is a band consisting of from 2,000 to 3,000 men. The
landed proprietors have fled from many quarters.

The Duke of Saxe Weimar and suite embarked at
Blackwaii yesterday morning on board the General Steam
Navigation Company's steam-ship (Wide, for Rotterdam.

gbi COUtl.
The Queen and Prince Albert left tetra
ter-put ten o'clock yeeterday morning, for 0.,b
Wight. Her Majesty and his Royal Siegel....
se "t 1
11 by the l'rince of Wales, the Pricier,. .sid,a,4
Alice, occupied a carriage and four; Pr ince A
I Princess Helena were in the next carri ape Ana i„..aye
panied by the Dowager Lady Lyttelten
arrived at Clarence•yard, Portsmouth, at a quern
and embarked in the Fairy, which ince. ii
Osborne. The usual salutes were fired. I "
The littchens Bernhard of Saxe Weimar nsj;
Dasher of Kent yesterday for. noon, at her n
„-
rence-house, Se James's. Th.. Iluche.e of X.,„j-a°,
by Lady Augusta Bruce, Baroness de hpeth,
C ciper, left town at half past i•ne o'clock eester'
fur Frogmore-house Witid.or. 4sidta
'l'he Duke of 'Cambridge honoured te
ha
Wellington with his compavy yesterday
house, at the dinner given by his tithe
of the Concert of Ancient Music. His It ...ad 4747r1
wards accompanied the Doke of to te, ." •
W.
mute of the concert, at the Hanover-444. r: &oak •
Sir John Osiris, But., from ilotipting,
interview with Earl Grey, yesterday, at 'flee:ol.4Am
A deputation front thl Steamship Otriora',
elation of London, comprising tweedy P
.„1,
representing upwards of 100,000 tons of
an interview with Lord Jiihn
17,
cial residence, in Doweing.stre.t. 111- demr),a to.
of Mr. 11ilson, Mr. Williams, Mr. W. J. 11.11, sir Jul
James, Mr. 'Morgan (seer. tary), and Mr Breit,. (1
mentary agent); and was accompanied yltr. lfroml;
and Mr. French, M.P.
l'he 'Alamein of Salisbury had an itatemien y,
day with Sir George Grey.
A deputation from Bradford, Wiltshire, coma
of Mr. William Murgatre)d. Mr. Wi.!iain Sot
Alfred Harris, Mr. W. E. Forster, Mr. W, Wow,
Mr. H. W. Ripley, were introduce by
.I.erd
M.P., Mr. Richard Cobden. M.P., and Mr. W.ldaia
gelid, M.l'., to Sir George Grey, yesureay, at du
ethos. _

A ' deputation including Mr. Arthur Mills,
FrAociß Scott, and Mr II Ages, had an la:emits with
John Russell on Tuesday.
Despatches wero received yesterday at the Colt
office, from the Governor of esoada, and (rum the p
nor* of the other North A,n r.ean previous
Lady John Russell gave, lust evening, the fir
a sPri• s of assemblies, at the official residence u( Lord
Russell, in IJowniug-cruet.

THE REFORM MOVEMD

MEETING IN ST. NIARYLELIONE.
Yesterday morning a meeting of the Lifetree sa
hahitanti of this boroigh was held in the Workbook.
pu❑ uant to a requisition signed by several of the rst,,p
for the purpose of taking ii.to coasidera,icn Loa! John
sell's recent declaration respecting reform in the fir
Commons, and of passing some res.,luti .ca oa tint so
The platform erected for the chairman and weaklier
we re to address the meeting was ful'y and ni s•, raper
attended. Sir J. Sir B flail, M.P., Mr.
M.l'.. Mr. J. Williams, M P., Mr. W. Willifev, Vt.,
Bell, Mr. Soden, Lord Dudley Stuart, and many Abe
Huential gentle., en re ,id.ng is the paristi, were prestat•
assemblage was princip.l4 compasid of the worain• e,
but a considerable auml,er of the respectable elites
rate-payers were collected in various knots. The natal*
sent was about 1,500.

Mr. J. WILLIAMS, M.P , on the motion of r•
took the chair, and having read the requisition, sass:
with respect to the objects which called them rent::
must observe that there never was a rime when it eat'
necessary for the people to be united for good purple.
as the present moment, nor was it ever more unease-
the resolutions which they were to be called upon is
to should be cautiously wended. It of vital int
also, tl at public men should use larLooote that was e.
culated to excite the people. They hid before theme
ample of that necessi.y in the case of a neighboura -
dour. In taking the chair, therefore, ha threw him/
the bands of those who were there assembled, trusta
a hat he knew of the working class. s th .t they would
him in keeping order. He was ever preen, d tome
voice in favour of the people, but if the peruke
forgot their duty as to become riotous or disorder4,fe
then prepared to raise his arm, if n paired, in detested
constitution and the throne. He hoped the aeremlite
act as became men, and he would assure teem he shoed
' prevent any one from expressing his opinion. Be
called upon Mr. Williams to move the brat • •
(Cheers.)
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, that having here callrd rpm
propose the first resolution, he would, with the
of the meeting, tend it to teem. It was as bakers:
That the present state of the representation of the nosh in
Commons House of Parham. rat is tortt..l naturcomi is
practice tends to class legi.dation, is no securil era= =qui
oppresaire taxation, and produces no comprOmsite ore USIOI
Benefit of the people.
The object which Mr. Hume sought to strain was one of,
ereatest national importance. The country had keg
plained of the representation in the House of
being so constituted as to give the aristocracy the
making class laws. The results whi•at had hem
from that misrepresentation of the people were cos
known to require any explanation frost him. They
them to consult in laws teat were ma •e for the
bent fit of certain small classes, and irjurious to ths
body of the nation. They had enabled those clauses
trive and to enforce a system of taxation which (around.
aristocracy and grievously oppressed the working clams
people at dirge. They found every elan of the people
the aristocracy suffering betel Privations: man
traders, merchants, private individuals, all, suffered
the unequal pressure of taxation. Those evils they had
told were all to be remedied by the Haortn Bill. Thal
form Bill had been tried by five successive coherent.. 1
it. let him ask, obtained the results expected from it? (
no.) Well, then, when they examined the s) stem oi m
presentation to which that act gave birth they wool:
at no loss to account fir the effects it prods
,They would hardly believe that two hundred and sit
boroughs and counties, posseesing an aggregate numb.
161,485 electors returned 329 members of parliament,
number constituting a majority of the House of Conn
(" Hear," and cries of "shame.") Those 101,000 odd
tors sent representatives into the house sufficient to ask
laws which dispose of the freedom, the lives, and the
pony of the 27,000,000 of people who constituted the B
realm. To show still stronger this an !Italy. he would.
that there were 67 counties, with 35 923 cl. eters. re
135 members, whilst the West Riding of Yorkshire
33,165 electors, returned only two ; need Laecashire
the same number, returned only four members.
was what Lord J. Russell styled a fair and pr fir r
tative system. [t the mention of Lard J. Russell's
cries of "shame," hisses, aid the words, " gags*
were reiterated by the assembly.] That system
John Russell had told the country, was to
dared as a final one by the whole kingdom. Dr
met there in order to decide upon the noble lord's
that the people of England and the working classes
wish for either one great reform or the other that is
posed to them. (Uproar and hisses.) This was a tat
that had astonished the whole country. (lieu.) Thy"
at large could not make up their minis so to the ass
which could have induced Lord J. Russell to hazarded
statement; but it had been denied in all parts id
country, and they were now met in that place for 00
pose of denying it also, and to let the nob!e lord lime
much he was mistaken. (Hear.) The Reform Billie
pet offspring of Lord J. Russell. By means of thath:
said that the people of England were to have good
ment and to obtain rimed:es for the evils of whin
had complained. He now states that progressive reform
all they d. The Reform Hill had been proereeertls
the first session of the reformed parliament up to the pro
hour, and the effects of that progress were to renderibe
pendants 8,000,000/. a year more than it was luring tile?
session of the boroughmoegering parliament. (Hear.) I
whigs had added 3,000,0001. to the permanent clebt of
country ; and as for theiconditien of the people, he nen
to show how far that was benefited by the Reform Bahr
to point to the gagging tell. (Hear, hear.) Bat these,.
ment was not going to stop at that paint; they might
that in the ominous gees that hid been ma le by two g
pensioners, the Duke of Wellington and Lord 'Broi4.l
(Hisses and uproar.) Lord Brougham had the other t
called upon the government to atop the meetings of
people. But they must all bear in mind that the gir
ment could not stop one clan of meeting wit
stopping them all, and such a meeting as
present would not, in that event, be all
to be held—at all events if Lora Brougham had his
Was Lord Brougham afraid for his pension ? Re had
three and a half years Lord Chaocellor, and he had f
years been receiving 5,0001. a year as a retiring penaio
knowing about as much law as any bridles% barrister
ing about the law courts. What services had Lord Bre
rendered that he should draw such large sums from th
plc's earnings ? (Hear, hear) Let them all unite, 1111
they would have everything that was demanded b,
charter—namely, cheap and good government. They'
no longer be saddled with such men as Lord Brous
drawing 5,000/. a year for doing and for having dot •
thing. They were all aware that there wore two b
progress in the House of Commons, invented fa
purpose of curing the manifold evils untouchd
the Reform Bill. Ono was for the curium
inquiring into the delinquencies of some half sea
boroughs. That bill wee one of the most impudent/
ever played oft in the face of the people. Why it was 1100
that by means of bribery and corruption the majority
members of the House of Commons had been elected
he would begin at the fountain head, and name Lordl
Russell as having procured his seat for the City oils:
by bribery and corruption. He would undertake to:
this ; and if Lord John Russell himself was not aware
tact, he (Mr. Williams) would put him in the way of t
information on the subject. for he had obtained his id
lion from one of the noble lord's committee men. Iftl
of 216 constituencies who returned the majority of the f
of Commons was gone through, the greater number'
be found to have been influenced by bribery. There'
other bill in progress in the House of Commons,'
he was surprised at Lord John Russell's be
forward ; namely, the bill for abolishing the
paying clauses of the Reform Act. How many
tors did they think that bill would seld to the
envies? No more than 5,953 in all the kingdom, at.
the four great metropolitan boroughs of Marylebosee
bury, Lambeth, and Westminster. There were now
returning members to parliament which were mere
than any to be found in SLlti auk A. Ile was sir
would ail arta with him is thinking that the co

the peoplo at large was worse now than before the Reform
Bill was passed. (" Yrt, yes.") He enjoined them all to
unite in one common purpose. Let:them an .04 into divi-
sions noun trdles. Ile was of °pith. n that tha manhood of
the action nes entitled to the elective franchise. But all
reformer- wen not agreed upon that point. Then
was a large body of ii.flaential reformers without
whose „id they could not get reform, who did not
think that the right to vote should be thus extensively
greeted But let them nut for that reason break oil with
such a party ; for if they tt.vided they would be weak,
and they would not get who. they wanted, or even
a porti .n of it. He would only add one word with respect
t the p taunt expenditu,e. Mr. Pitt, in the yrar before the
great we,, was Named for 'educing the army. What was
the t•-• o• the army at that time ? 4,200,000/. It was now
17,800,00/ (Shame. thame ) Since the Reform Bill had
been pm... 1 80,000 in. n had hen added to the army, and
force I•I 13,000 polLe crested. What fur? To flAt the
foreigre a? N..; to keep clown the people. (Oh, oh.)
Was it 11.4 thete'ore, time for them to unite in the deter-
mination %newt such a ayaton es that which he ha I re!. reed
to ? kl, bent dto move the resolution which t e had read.

. _
Mr. J. Baid. m conded the resolution, and in doing no
though hat uo difficulty eti•tcd in proving relorm to be
very m oe faired.
The rewffuts in wea then put to the meeting and carried.
The CHAIRMAN called upon Mr. flume, M.P., to propwe
the .neural re•olivion, but an individual, who g two the name
of Mil got p eaewion of the !minding place at. rut to
be occupied by the hon. member, claimed the priv.lege of
&tide's a tn. meeting.
Mr. J. Wittiams ',commended Mr. Hill to permit the
tote to he conducted ace ,ding to the plan already
TV. " _ . .

Ur. 111 LL, however, i :tasted on his right as a rate-payer of
the parish to intilieta v.'. meeting, and to propose a r ...In •
Lion which he bad intended to more as an amendment on
that jus yawl, 11l he not been prevented front so doing.
The tp .k. r then pixe, desi to state his views. Toe first re-
soluthi.. II ii not gone tar ellt)Uprt, and for that rea.en he
had draw., up ow, which he begged leave to read to the
meeting :
That nos lieriing is or opinion from the ettperieure of the tag
fifteen }taro that ',Artist relic in• ore itatdequata to effect a mine.
tani ot e spenint tire, or to equalise the taxation which pr,,,40. It
heavily upon the ix. plc, and that they omfatter it neer...sty f c the
11,1, RIM promovrity ul this country to seek for radical reform un the
principle ot universal sinfrage of the antimons Howe of Parliament,
props.rd by tile late M. Cartwright, advocated by the most emi-
nent statesmen of Engl.inl, mint embodied in a document culled the
People's k barter, approved and signed by Mr. J. flume and other
friends. I 'put it,..crnment, in whom the people h.re anew reposed
C4lllfidellev.
Mr. s.kVAGesecondedthis r solution.
. .

Mr: II rue, M .aid he had attend. dat all the meet-
ings hi. :1 bir such purposes as the pretest for the period of
twenty. ti oe years, in erls r to lend his assistance to effect the
reform. t at were twee.. try in ord. r to protsct soci:ty from
dissolu i n ; and he could only say that if it was thought
there existed a man more anxeme on these points than him-
self, he omould like to have him pointed out. For thirty-five
years h. had been a rat...rime. .',r. Savage, whom he web
recollected, and whose assistance in converting the close
vestry at Marylebuno into an open one he should Never
forget, e. It knew the truth of whet he was stating. (Hear,
hear.) Ile was anxious to make the services of Mr.
Savage as use rut now as they had formerly been. But
he and those wh, supported his views ought to consider thc
objects woes% it was sought to attain, sad likewise to t .ke
into account the opposition which those objects wen• certain
to meet with. Mr Savage said h would not trust him.
(No, no ) lie said hr had rather trust the dead. It he
relb i only on tee dead ha would net small heap. !lo and
those menthen in the House Of Commons who voted with
him on she question of r:form had come forward prepared
to encount. r the hostility that had been manifested
towards them; and won it nothing for him to be told
there ho Mr. Savage and the other speaker that he was not to
be trusted ? (Chterseed uproar.) HO begged to put it to the
meeting a hetner that was 4 tit reward for the men who stirred
is behalf of the working clams and the rights of industry ?
Was it fitting that two persona, simply betimes they were
rate-payers, should arc allowed to come forward and to dis-
turb and derange the pncancerted order of their proceed-
ings ? (Uproar.) He held in his hand the resolution which
had been prepared; he would presently read it to the meet.
tog, and then he would pat it t o them wheth.r it was tot
such as every man, who was di sirous of promoting the ob-
jecs they had is view, ought to vote for lie would tell
hie. Savage that no truer friend to the working classes ex-
isted than himself. He did not think it fair that Mr. Hill
should c ate forward, when such a resolution as that he had
just rea had barn prepared, awl s ate to the meeting that
he (Mr. Hume) was wit to be trusted by them. (Uproar
and confusion.) Perhaps if the resolution had been read
at the commencentont of the proceedings it wou'll have
been better, as then the purp irt would have been clearly
seen. Certainly there was Iva one word in that proposed'
by Mr. Bill which he was nut ',relevant to sign and certify
under his hand. But he would not adopt the means pro-
posed by that individual. Mr. S.vage had referred to the
charter. He had no hesitation in saying that long before
be (Mr. Savage) had seen t'ie charter, he (Mr. Home) hod
approved and signed it. But let them obtain the chart. rin
a cons, trional manner. There were curtain parties who
thoug' t tn. p ought to try for it by means of physical force,
and those men had retarded reform ',yap doing for the period
of fifteen yeses. (Hear, hear.) But let him rind the resolu-
tion which he had to propose. It was an follows
..„ .

That h, r Majesty'. Kim:: Mltit.te r having stated hi. opinion that
the people require no extennive in-..sure, of looliucal and fiscal n
it iu hereby reri.lved that in the optiiiiin of this meeting. in order to
secure the nubility of the irthitutions of the country :ind maintain
public order, it is indL.pierekibiy nece.sary that the elective franchise
be extended to all men of in-titre age, who are register d as rasideute
for • purhid of twelve months : that the duration of parli.unent
should tart exceed three years; that rotes should be taken by ballot ;
and that there should be an equal apportionment of member., to
population.

He hoped that Mr. Savage, and all those who were anxious
to am. iiorate the comlition of the people, would join him in
the efforts he was making fur that purpose, and not create
dissensions and divisions Ile would not then dilate on the
topics which Mr. Williams had touched upon. But he
would ask, was any one present satisfied with the parliament
as it now existed ? (No, no.) If not, what is the change
that is required? (The charter.) He hoped they would
allow loin to state his views. Ile thought the re olution he
had pro nosed • better one than that of Mr. Hill. It the
borough of Marylebone and the country at large supported
him in the course he had enteral upon, they would at
once okdain all that the chanter embodied. Was it not
better fur them all to unite in one common purpose ?
They had united seeing them in one phalanx
every holder of office in the empire. Wu that not enough
to induce them to unite in a still more formidable mos in
order to conquer their opponents? (Cries of " The Charter.")
He knew whet it was to go to extremes. lie had gone to as
great extremes as any of them. But his advice as an old re-
former was not to let themselves be drawn into extremes. It
was for them to show the government how wrong Lord J.
Rumen was, when he said they wanted no change ; and he
should be glad to see every parish in the kingdom meet and
tell the noble lord that fact. Tree reformers in the House of
Commons were anxious to combine all men of their opinions
in one mass. That was the only mode of getting what they
wanted; and, whatever they might say or think of the
charter, if they got such a suftrarre as the resolution proposed
to give them, they would in effect have got the charter.
What was wanted was efficient and honest men in the teat's-
lature, not men who were to be bought by place. If the
people got the pow, r of electing their representative", they
would soon have efficient and honest men to represent them.
The ballot would prevent them from being intimida ed as
they now were. They would then walk erect to the hust-
ings, and nice their votes as independently as a peer. Now
they could not do so, and the franchise instead of being a
blessing was on that account too often a curse, as men were
compelled by their landlords to vote against their consciences.
Having said thin much he begged to put the resolution into
Ste hands of the cheirrnisn.
Mr. Su ono seconded the resolution, and recommended the
union of the middle and working classes.
The CHAIHMAN then put the question,—first, on Mr.
Hume's resolution, and then on that moved by Mr. Hill.
The latter was supported by a body of effiertists immediately
in front of the platform, who held up both their hands; hut'!
the majority of 'he meeting was evidently in favour of Mr.
Hume's, and so the chairman decided, observing at the same
time that he himself law very little difference between them,
and was only anxious in his decision to act with perfect im-
partiality (a remark, however, which did not suit the tastes
or meet the wishes of the chartist..., who from that to the end
kept up a constant interruption to the proceedings).
Lord D. Sremer, on presenting himself, was unable to
proceed for some moments, owing to the groans directed
against him by the malcontents. He said that without
hoping to be able to agree in opinion with every one present
he nevertheless rejoiced at seeing such a meeting, and hoped
there would be many such held throughout the length and
breadth of the land, to prove to the government the desire
of the people for full and complete reform. (Ceeers.) He
would not pretend to entertain opinions of the soundness of
which he was not honestly convinced. It was poeible that
he was not prepared to go the length of all who constituted
that meeting; but of this he was convinced that the present
representation of the people in parliament was not satisfac-
tory, and required a large and comprehensive amendment.
(Cheers ) Ho was for greatly extending the suffrage, for
giving it not only to householders, but to lodgers—(hear)--
but he should not consider that • wise step unless the
voter were to be protected in the free exercise of his
franchise by the ballot. (Cheers.) The bailot, like
every other measure, had its objectionable points; but
its necessity and its use counterbalance them, forming as it
would a certain protection in favour of the honest voter and
against the inroads of tyranny. lie fully concurred also in
the necessity of shortening the duration of parliaments.
Some were of opinion that they ought to be annual, others
septennial He would say let them try triennial porde-
menta. ( Hear, hear.) These were not opinions declared
by him for the first time, and cry opinion he avowed he was
prepared to give effect to by his vote. (Hear, hear.) He
had voted for the Reform Bill, which he admitted had done
some good ; but nut having done enough he was for going
on in the same direction. He was altogether opposed to the
doctrine of finality—(cheers)— for he knew no greater ab-
surdity on the part of a legislature than to say " we shall
=see laws this year which shall last for all years." Changes
would and must take place in accordance with the spirit of
the age, and in compaance with the wishes and demands of
the people. A bill wu lately passed for Rising better
security to the crown and government ; and he said then, as
he said now, the only true way of permanently eeta,
'dialling that security was by attending to their
wishes and demands in time. Amongst the most foremost
and pressing of those demands was a reduction of taxation.
The people felt not only that taxation was too great, but that
its mode of distribution was most unequal, and to that sub-
ject he promised to give his attention in parliament. He
thought it most unjust that the poor man should pay more
largely M comparison to his means than the rich man. Re-
form in that and all other respects in which it was now called
for he hoped to see carried, but they must first secure a full
and fair representation in parliament. (Chute.)

Sir 13. HALL (who was also received at first with mark.
of disapprobation from the chartists) timed leave to say, In
consequence of sr obsetvation which tell from a previous
speaker on the subj,et, that during the II years he had re-
presented the borough he had attended every nseetieg in
that parish or the pariah of St. Pancras, having for its object
to increase the liberties of the people. Indeed, he believed
it to be essential to the interests of both repro 'tentative and
represented that there should be frequent intercourse be.
tween them. They were now met to further the principles
of reform, and during the 20 years, or nearly, that he had
been in parliamens, tie could eerily say he hail never sated
In opposition to those principles. (A voice, "'the gagging
bill," and some uproar) Why, he was one of the first in
•he House of Commons who remonstrated against that pert
of the measure alluded to which affected o en and ad• !
vised speaking, and when his remonstrance failed he
voted agninst it. The question now before them was
whether there should be • further reform in parli iment
The first minister of the crown had said that he dad not
believe that the middle classes of this country required or
demanded en extension of reform in that respect ; and cer-
tainly if he (Sir B. Ilall) were to follow in the wake of any
minister who could make such an as* rtion he should he
acting at variance with the political sentiments he had ever
uttered. Another point on which he did not shrink from
avowieg himself, was that of taxation, of which ho thought
there ought to bo a greater equalisation. As a landed pro.
prietor he eh odd not object to any amount of taxation upon
himself which would relieve the poor man. The distils.* co
the et untry was great, and something must be done to re-
lieve it. (Hear, hear.) It!sgarding the immediate object of
the present meeting, they might rely upon his beat efforts to
promote it, and his tired act should be t o vote on the 20th,
!although in a small minority, with Mr. Hume. (Hear.)
Mr. V astsom said lie was not • resident, but bad been
permitted to speak by the courtesy of the chairman. Ile
considered that the question Now! en the resolution and the
amendment which bed been proposed had not been properly
settled, end lie called on the chairman to declare which of
the two had been adopted by the meeting. It was the
general rule to put the amendment lir.t —(" No, no," and
cheers)--and he thought that the chairman had made • mis-
take as to • hich was the original motion and which the
amendment.

The Cita mat AN denied that he hail made any mistake.
lie knew Mr. Hill's to be the amendment.
Mr. VEltailal raid the tact was neirte r the chairman, the
committee, nor Mr. hill him•rlf unitt•rst,ind the position of
alTairs—(laughter)—and he wusileterininritthst there shoul I
be no such mistakes and misrepresent alone as were made at
the Riding School meeting. (Cheers.)
The CHAIRMAN wished to give fair play to all partiea lie
would appeal to Mr. hill whether lie did not jut Mr.
Home's motion first, and afterwards his ( Mr. nth's) amend
meat. lie hoped neither gentleman would atempt to place
him in a false po,itinn. Ile declared, in the tight of them
all, that he eoniidereil Mr. Ilunse's motion to he carried.
(Cheers.) 11 (the chairman) had not the slightest interest
bathe matter, and he hoped no ono would suppote fur a mo-
ment that he would truckle to the nristoer icy of the country.
(No, no.) If it was the wish of the committee he had to
objecting to put the resolution once again. (" No, no," and
cheers.)
Mr. Vertatos then proceeded to address the meeting
taillike an amount of (muesli in and contusion which ri n-
&red him nearly inaudible. Ile stated that he was .4u:e-
xcised not to stir from the spot until he had be,n beard.
The majority of the meetim., however, exhibiting very noisy
symptoms of dissatisfaction at his reworks, the speaker
eventually sat down.
On the motion of Mr. llonoes, a petition to parliament,
embodying the substance of the oboe, resolutions, was
agreed to.
Mr. Et:mauve then moved :

Tsar the arecrtion made by Lord John nitwit, in hie place In the
liumae o( Daronsuns this ....tun, that the people cluatry do not
desire either the peat no sour.• of reform, tis propow.l by Mr. Home
and other member. of the house, nor the other meat measure 84 advo-
cated in the people's charter, Is evidence of hia ignorance of the pre.
sent state of the country-, and a prouf that hr I. utterly unfit to min.
duct the affairs of the nation.

lie cun.•idcred Lord John Russell u the common enemy of
the people, and that his main strength consivted in the divi-
sions which he could introduce atociag them. It was his
(Lord J. Russell's) object to keep Hr. Rums and his party
in opposit,on to the chartists, end as long as he did so he
would can•inuc to carry the day. lie Tee retted to see that
the du•ension still existed, because there was little doubt
that the people wi re nearly all of one mind on the subject.
The principles of either body of reformer., varied but little
to substance, and it was for than to unite against the mon
who was their mutual enemy. At any rate, they must be
on common ground with respect to the resolution which he
moved.

Mr. W. NORTH seconded the resolution, and called upon
the chairman to put the termer resolutim and amendment
over again.
The CHAIRMAN, however, did not feel that the voice of
the meeting übtitied him in doing in.
Mr. ROGERS supported the resolution. He Laid that a
little retorm would ruin the country, which need. d a great
reform ; and it that reform was not speedily obtained, it was
very probable that there would be a great revolution in the
country.
Toe resolution was carried with but one dissentient. The
proceedings then terminated.