The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-01 00:00:00

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wpm the mess. At present it hit the mei Is
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sti!wat adWm by a rentt of mead-
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shamed urea the musty. It was without neap-
dm the veriest Marries that had ever been attempted epos
the beam to say that the elesestles new Missile* lo be made
would hese& the mesaty Mew Xis *aka was that it
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for dare elm. Wpm, they might ban aillseed cm
other wabloota. thej INN VIDISIMIIidff et gime es this,
that the pmesit WI sem sairsuslieb—is Abe MoSitho lay
yea ths emisny mem em twin. wide Is were
Inside bear, thy aught net to hear, sad the
Laded Worse would mist to the utmost et their power.
(Hear, bear, es* chews.) Thee what wee the mem* to
which it ee.:=sel to dial with the bondholders?
W Wk.
bee. the tader-nor._ dState was abed
M es• mime mad, where the ballsoWer received 6 per
matt., and fogey* him that he should la future receive map
4 per mat., end that, it this were objeated tee
should be compered to sell his property at *Mies-
ties of certain minadmieeers. Was that com Men *the
Of COMM loweety ? ( Hear, bear.) It was set esly a neer
principle to Lattoduer, but it was • plan Melly sawmill
from everything Ilk. honesty. He was sure that the leas
would never eased= it. If say boa. madman Wadi SF
coed him, he would move that the bill be read • @semi
time that day six mouths. (Hear.)
Mr. MANGLES objected to the bill, upon the mesa
that it omitted to peaa ti the clerks of the
existing trusts. (A laugh).Hon. mestere might laugh,
but he was of opinion that no man should be deprived of •
vested interest without giving him some compensation. The
question was, whether the clerkship of these trusts was a
tenure. If it was not, of course the parties would not be
Retitled to onapensatioe ; if it was, they would be entitled
to it, sad it ought t, be willingly granted.
Sir J. TYRELL said, the observations of the hon. gen-
tleman who had jut sat down would have been very pertl.
nest if the house were in committee ; hut that, as the
Speaker was in the chair, they were umewhat out of place.
The measure was certainly one of great importance in prin.
ciple ; but the situations intended to be made is it were so
numerous, that it was impossible at present to send a cured
copy of it into the coustry, and therefore it was highly de-
eirab".e that the tom. gentleman the Under Secretary of
State should bring in another bill, and et able the house to
look through it. amt tided provisions in a badness-like man-
ner. ( Hear, hear.)
Mr. V. SMITH hoped the second reading world be as-
sented to, particularly as the principle seemed to be wholly
unobjectionable.
Mr. BANK ES said that he was sot prepared to vote for
the various important principles bivalved in the bill, unless
some length of time were afforded him for due considention.
He suggested the propriety of adjourning the debate for six
weeks, to afford the government an opportunity of maturing
their project, and takieg the deliberate sense of the house
and the country epee it.
Mr. HUME believed that a bill for consolidating the
county trusts would be one of the most important which
could be adopted by the house. ( Hear.) Twelve yearn
enrolls had submitted a measure of that kind, with • view
to tanning the tinuiciat attain of each county under use
department, and consolidating the surveyors of roads. Re
would not say that the present bill was perfect, bat he ad-
mired its principle, and as one week now was more Impor-
tant than six at the end of the session, he hoped that no
attempt would be made to defeat it on the second mediae.
Mr. MACKINNON bald that twelve years ago be we
chairman of a committee on this subject, who reported that
some modifications of the law were absolutely memory, sad
he was happy to say that the bill of the hon. gentleman to
whom they were indebted for bringing it forward (bear,
hear,) was in exact conformi7 with the report of that cow-
suttee. He raw so reason why the bill shoal not
be read a second time, and an interval allowed belie the
seat stage to give gentlemen who objected to it am "par-
tur.ity of coming to an understanding with their emnibmmte
on the subject of the measure.
Mr. DEEDES said there was a great desire on the mat of
the house to legislate on this subject, but In equal desire not
to commit itself to legislation which it did not understand.
He was most favourable to an alteration of the system; but
he was not prepared to legislate in the dark, and therefore
was for the amendment.

Sir J. DUCKWORTH objected not merely to the &guile,
but to some of the principles, of the lilliltlltt—that, for in-
SWUM, which went to unite the niansgement of the highways
with that of the turapike roads. He, therefore, thought it
should be withdrawn. _ _

Mr. C. LEWIS said that if the objections to the bill had
been to its principle, he might have resisted the appeal to
withdraw it; lest it might be supposed that the government
yielded to these objections; but, after the statements of several
hon. gentlemen that they did not precisely understand the
arrangement respecting the extinction of the debt, but were
yet up= the whole favourable to the bill, he at ones con-
sented to adopt the sturgestioa of withdrawing the bill upon
the undereteneling that he would be permitted to relnUoduce
it immediately. That could be easily done, as the altera-
tions to be made were much less considerable than hon. gen-
tlemen might mince*. They would in fact only extend to
four or five clause. He should prepeee, es the bill would
be substantially the same as the present, to fix ea early day
for the second reading. (Hear.)
Mr. HUME regretted this novel ani bed precedent of
withdrawing a bill confessedly requiring alterrions only in
four or five clauses. Why could not the hon. gentleman
snake those alterations in committee ?
Sir G. GREY repeated the memo given by his hon.
friend, and said that, as a proof of his sincerity, he had told
the house he would ask for leave to introduce a new bill im-
mediately.
After some question on the subject of returns, which, Mr.
Law's said, were for the most part before the house, the
hoe. gentleman mired f,r and obtained leave.to bring in a
new bill on the subject.
OFFENCES (IRELAND)BILL.

Sir H. W. BARRON mined the Mead reading of this
bill, which had for its object to provost the contiouanco of
the prudes of ending prisoners accused of petty reams to
the minty gaol for a emiderable time, sad at groat expense
to the sonny, as much as 161.. a head in his county.
These peistmen ware sometimes ant 30 or 40 miles, wit
nom wen obliged to attend the county arises to promote,
coma were employed, and all this expense incurred for
amen for which the judge would not perhaps order an
=smut of as many days as the prisoner had already
weeks. The bill was founded on the Dublin POlio
Bill and extended to meaty ategirtrstes the powers given
by that bill to the megieratee of the metropolis. It had
been drawn with the advice ad instruction of three of the
mast noseband assistant barristers in Inland. He wee
ready bison the matter is the beads of the government if
they would take it up ; and he would gin them every aid
is has power to man the mann affective.
Mr. DRUMMOND said that the preamble of miry bill
had something funny in it, but that this bill seemed lobster
that dancteristic all through its provisiosk T e hos.
gentleman then read the title or a peados et soma deism,
and eaund Peat laughter by the wanart is which he eon
ranted on them ;_but his moist lamb wen set sadible
in the gallery. By one chreeellion eM then if a geor man
pluckda leaf of sweetbrier as mood aing the road, he
wee liable to be brought ban a usagislosta. Aaotker
clans prohibited the driver of shone sad out from letting
go the rein unless another penoa wets walking by the
horses head ; while another allowed every Irishman to ar-
rest every other Irishman. (Much hughter.) He hoped
the house would unhesitatingly reject the bill.
Mr. ROCHE congratulated the hoe. member for Water.
ford in having hit upon something were than the Habeas
Corpus Suspension Act. (Laughter) As °hand by the
hose. gentleman opposite, • men ridiculous fonoutervierd-
calmly in the eyes of Eaglishmen, because they not
be affected by it, or one mire preposterous in principle, was
se brought into that house.
Col. DUNNE said he had only had time to read the first
=ph of the bill, which was quite enough for him. He
he measure would not be persevered tn.
Mr. STAFFORD disclaimed having anything to do with
the bill on the net of members oa lus side the house. Hs
hat supposed it was part of the promised remedial neasum
Sir G. GREY said the government could not ninthly sup-
port this bill, alter hearing the opision of the Irbh ambers.
He conceived tt was scarcely sameary to move that it be
read a mood time this day six months; he supposed it
would be withdrawn. There were many glaring defects in
the bill: it created a number of new petty offsnem,
and made them punishable by fine, without giving the usual
means of enforcing the malty by imprisonment. Under
this bill even a beggar aught be liable to a fine of 40r., but
&ottani more. (Laughter.) He would recommend the hon.
baronet to communicate with ether Irish members, with the
morn proper* an mended bill.
Mr. NAPIER quoted and commented en • clause of
the bill which was directed mina setting dogs " on any
person, horse, or other animal." (Great laughter.) Some
of the clauses wire remarkably compreheadve, especially the
30th, which rendered " any person committing laiermn
under this or any other act " liable to be appreh II by
a constable or any other person." It only needed the addr-
tion of the words ' treasonable pastime " to constitute this
a complete criminal cods fir Ireland. (Laughter.)
Mr. H. HERBERT said the house had been a good deal
amused by this bill ; he hoped they and tho people of Ire-
land would derive rome little instruction from it. The Irish
people had in it • specimen of the remedial sasasures pre-
pomd for tima by the hn. leader of the moral fora party in
Ireland. (Laughter, and' No, no.")
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that party had no claim on the
bon. baronet (Sir W. Banos); they regadiated him as a
moral force repealer. He might more pimp* be styled a
toustabulary fora meals:. (Laughter.) The immers wao
objectionable is may grounds ; amongst aim it wing le
revive the digesting punishment of whipping. IS NOM
not think that these extraordinary provisions had cured
from Mr. Berwick.
Sir W. BARRON pledged himself that it had
from that gentleman. He himself had not dates
a line of it. It assisted of the suggestions of three
gentlemen who presided Ls instant banisters In the soils
of essais.. (Laughter.) Mr. Berwick bad mosshoi tie
bin ee its present form, and requened him to big;
offence mentioned in the ha= irturilds
stet, and many el theca In Ireland, tun
(laughter)—by isdistment at the aim -TM
t of the provision were awes bus as
Bill. It wee easy, by reading we se See
, clause, without the 011110t1i011, M ink* •
He had no wish to press this bill, but wlisi
the government the importance of rolieriag pose
in Inland from the punishment of two or three
impriammut for prig offences. He rsipsolei Ibis
Gisela loss thought it saws* to aids

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