The Express.
London, England, 1847-12-07 00:00:00

loner. lEto also eapported it bemuse be believed
k would be administered by the Lord-Lieutenant is
• *kit et moderation and humanity. lie supported it
imams I. believed that the majority of the people of Ire-
lead MI no moth% with three cruses. He believed the
maJority of the and the priesthood ware anxious that
these aurden Id be put an end to. He believed that
ale alladarall wars Outcasts and traders in blood, and were
set 'Genoese& with the predial differences between landlord
nod teaser. The murder of the Rev. Mr. Lloyd was a brutal,
I dastardly, and barbarous murder, and such atrocious mur-
dering were a disgrace to Ireland; and as he wished that the
kw should be vindicated be gave his vote for this measure. It
might be said this was an uncoastitutional act; but it was more
unconstitutional to leave the country at the mercy of a set of
lawless marauders. He would give his vote for this bill
without reference to remedial measures, lest it should seem
that he had the slightest sympathy with such crimes. The
administration of the law in Ireland was most inefficiently
carried on. The crown prosecutors a ere often incapacitated
from performing their duties by reason of age and infirmity.
In Connaught the senior prosecutor had been ten years
superannuated as an assistant banister, and yet he continued
crown prosecutor. Tke late Mr. Ellis had been five years
superannuated as crown prosecutor, and yet continued an
assistant barrister. In Connaught the crown solicitor was
so incapacitated by age and infirmity that he had not gone
the last live circuits. Such was the inefficient manner in
which the law was administered. He felt confident that, in
trotting the powers contained in this measure to the govern-
ment, they would not abuse it.
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Mr. M. O'CONNELL said he held in his band a book,
entitled "An Account of the Debate on the Hinter the Protec-
tion of Life in Ireland, in 1846," edited by R. Dillon Browne,
M.P. (The hon. gentleman then read extracts from the
speeches of Mr. Dillon Browne on that debate, in opposition
to that measure, and in which he advised that coercion
should be given up sad remedial measures tried.) The hon.
member for Meath (Mr. FL Grattan), too, who had been one
of the most strenuous opponents of the coercion bill of 1846,
he regretted to fins amongst the advocates of the present
measure. Disguise it as they would, this bill was as much
an infringement of the constitation as that proposed by the
right hon baronet, and which the noble lord now at the head
of the government said he would never consent to, unless It
was accompanied by remedial 1111111.nree. On hat same
ground put forward by the adds lord in 1646, as
against the urns bill of the right honourable baronet
—the absence of remedial measurer--did he (Mr. M.
O'Connell) oppose the bill now before the house. It was
all very well to refer to the ecrodition of society
in Ireland, and point to the calendar of crime as a justifica-
tion for such a bill ; but how did they expect herrn nature
to endure patiently the tyranny to which the Ilia tousantry
were subject, driven from their holdings, without Seed or
shelter, prevented from reaping the crops they had sewn,
and deprived of all the advantage of their outlay and labour
Try the experiment in England, and see what would be the
consequence. (Hear, hear.) He gathered from the reply
of the right hon. the Home Secretary, to the suggestion of
the right hon. baronet (Sir It. Peel), that a detective police
was about to be organised in Ireland. What was this but a
return to the old spy system, with all its attendant horrors,
its
perjuries, robberies, and murders ? How many instances
wore there in former days of innocent men being entrapped
into the commission of crime, and then informed against for
the sake of the blood-money? In no country save Ireland
would such a system be tolerated. It had been practised in
1798 wider the notorious Major Sim, aided by the infamous
Terry O'Brien, and yet in these days it was sought to legalise
perjury by act of parliament. Notwithetanding the deter-
minetion expressed by some Irish members to sop this
hill, he for one should give it the most de • opposi•
tem in every stage of its progress. He had been as earnest
and as anxious as any man in denouncing crises, sad be bed
not only preached but practised obedience to the law. He
bed endeavoured to enforce a maxim laid down by one
whose memory he must ever revere and venerate, that the
wont enemy of Ireland was the man who violated
'be law. He would not parley with the murderer,
brat ha would strain the ordinary law of the land, is order to
wan his punishment; but he protested against arming it-
=naible parties with extraordinary powers to do that
might he done by the smallest particle of resolution
tad courage on the part of the resident landlords in the
munties which were said to be disturbed, and which would
leitat t down by the tenantry if the landlords gave them the
test enconragetneet so to do. But he found null with
bill on another ground, namely, that it was entirely and
exclusively a landlord's bill. (Hear, hear.) It was not a
bill for the protection of the lives and property of the people,
but for the protection of magistrates, who would not do their
duty, and to enable the landlords to collect their rents. He
had expected after the numerous commissions of inquiry
which had bees' issued by various governments, that at the
commencement of this session the present ministry would
at least be prepared with some remedial measures for
Inland. He understood that the Landlord and Tenant Bill
was actually in print, and, being so, it ought now to he on
he table of the house. It was, however wept bask, and '
not a word of explanation as to its orovis ns had yet been
stated to the house. In Let, nothing whatever had been
done to carry out any of the recommendations contained in
the report under Lord Devon'. commission. (Cries of
'• Divide.") One of those recommendations was, to lessen
the burthens on the land, and yet, by the operations of this
bill those burdens would be increased by Axing on the land
the charge of the extra police employed at the will and
pleasure of the Lord-Lieutenant. lion. members opposite
had spoken of certain statements alleged to have been made
by Roman catholic clergymen from the altar, but the
Attorney-General bad very properly told them that whore-
ever such charges could be authenticated prosecution would
follow. With respect to the denunciation of Major Mahon,
the clergyman implicated had himself denied in print that he
had ever mentioned that gentleman's name or that be knew
anyth hag about him. What would the home think ofan English
lendiord, -who, coming into a property, should commence
with a small village at his park gate, and take from the in-
habitants their little gardens, from which they had obtained
their winter's subsistence ? The bon. member proceeded to
detail other instances of Major Mahon's conduct towards his
hirsute, but was continually interrupted by loud cries of
" Clartica." He complained that the deceased gentleman
had aunt a number of his tenant' on board ship, bound to
America, but the vessel being wrecked, the people were
obliged to return, when, sick, starving, and shipwrecked as
they were, they were left on the road without abetter to
peruh. Until the noble lord at the head of the government
had laid his remedial measures oa the table, the house might
expect that he (Mr. O'Connell) would give this coercion bill
every opposition in his power.
Mr. GARDNER gave a reluctant support to the bill. He
was not on- of those who would vindicate murder, or who
did not wish to see it punished, but he could not help having
some compunctions vniiings when he remembered the gross
ill-usage which Ireland had experienced at the hands of this
country. (Hear, hear.) He regretted. therefore, that the
right hon. gentleman while proposing coercion had not more
clearly indicated the remedial measures he proposed to In-
troduce for the benefit of the sister country. He was not
one of those who thought that Providence had endowed one
race more than another with instincts of crime and indo-
lence. He Will willing to admit the defects of the Irish
character, but he was inclined to attribute them, not to the
providence of God, but to the misgovernment and tyranny
of man. (Hear, bear) That country bad for 600 years
been under the dominion of what an eminent foreign pub-
licist had called a bad untamed. Pure blood, no mill-
owners or manufacturen, to grind the people, nothing but
lords, squires, and serfs. To them England had added an
alien priesthood, and in her superstition had shut out every
avenue of adviumument from the great body of the people.
The outward and viable sign of all this oppression—the
protestant established church—Mill existed In full vigour.
(Hear.) He did not thick its abolition would remedy the
ills of Ireland, bat it was at least due to that country se
reparation. Probably no single reason would have the
effect of redressing sll the evil. et Oat country; but we
ought to undo all our bad legislation, step by step. So long
as a splendid public property, amounting he a million Jar
annum, existed in Ireland, devoted to the
church alien to the sentiments of nine-tenths err people
private property ought not to be burdened with rates as the
support of tha indigent. He would never consent to any
measure of coercion for Ireland, union remedial meaenrea
were brought forward at the same time. (Hear.)
Mr. ICEATINGE said that the Irish Catholic priesthood,
so far from exciting the people to outrage, exerted a directly
opposite Wilt/once. In proof of this he referred to the con-
duct and addresses of the curate in the parish when Mr.
Roe had been murdered. He was opposed betide bill, he-
cause it would not tend to tranquillise the coun•ry : it would
be • complete failure. (Hear.) Such a measure never
could mowed ; it had fa it no element of encases.
Mr. FAGAN moved the adjournment of the debate.
Sir G. GREY hoped this motion would set he pressed.
Th.re would be abundant opportunity, in the future rape
of the bill, for hon. members to expanse their rows. Great
inconvenience had resulted from discussing the peineiple and
details of the bill, upon a mere motion of form, for passing
to the other orders of the day.
Mr. FAGAN thought it was not fair to vrge hies to pro-
ceed in addressing the house at so late an hoar. He had no
wish to he summed -factions in taking this mune.
The house then divided—Foe the adjonamant 13
Against it
Sir G. GREY said he hoped the order of the day would be
to be read, upon the understanding that the second
of the bill should be taken on another night
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_O'CONNOR then moved the adjournment of the
_„sea, sad
Mr. M. O'CONNELL having seconded the motion, the
gallery was cleared for a division ; but on our re-admission
we toned that the proposition of Sir O. Grey had been
agreed so.
The house thin adjourned, at half-past twelve o'clock.

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