The Express.
London, England, 1848-07-29 00:00:00

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HOUSE OF LORDS.—FRIDAY, JULY ..
The Loan CHANCELLOR took his seat at five o'clock.
PRIVATE BA:SINUS&
THIRD READINGS. Newport and Pontypool Railway Act
Amendment; Worcester Turripke Triggs ; Bills.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
VETITIONI. —By the Bishop of DVItIiAM, from Parham,
spinet the sale of intoxicating liquors on the nabhath.
SECoN 0 MM d-- Suits; Administration of
Criminal Juane° ; Mee.
COMMITIEF--Higbland Reads and Bridges (Peolland) Bill.
THUM READINGS.—Prinons• Beeh.ntantonii pompom volts
Compromise (Unbind) ; Exeliange'of Admissions In the counties
Warwick and stetted; Provident Associations Fraud Prevention;
Trustees Belief (Ireand); dills.
LEEDS AND THIRSK. RAILWAY COMPANY.
Lord REDESDALE moved that the
to of the Leeds
and Think Itiilw ay Company, praying he heard by coun-
sel against the Clarence Railway and Leeds and Thirsk
Railway Amalgamation Bill (presented on the 23rd June
last, and r, ferried to the select
committee oa the said bill) oe
referred to the standing order committee
to decide whether
it was a petition which ought to have been heard.
The Eon of MORLEY defended the decision of the Mee
=Mee.
Alter a conversation, the Loot, CHdivision.ANCELLOR. pat
the motion, which w. s negatived without a
BILL
DECLARATORY SUITS .
Lord BROUGHAM moved these...end reading of this hal,
the object of which was to enable parties to obtain an imme-
diate legal decision on questions of marriage, legitimacy of
children, and other important points, without the necessity
of an action at law.
The LORD CHANCELLOR approved highly both of
the objects of the bill and of the
course propose to be taken
by the noble and learned lord. I
Bill read a second time.
ECCLESIASTICAL SUITS COMP ROMISE
( .RELAND) BILL.
Earl FORT ESCU E moved the third
reading of the above
bill.
The Marvin of CLAN ItICAILDE took that opportunity
to state at at the reque.,t of L wit Stanley, who wished to
take port in the discussion, he had consented to poetpone the
consideration of the Commons amendments on the Evicted
Tenants (Ireland) Bill.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE assured the noble mar-
quis and thee house that no exertions should belrish wantingsu on
the part of the government to expedite the meares
as much as possiile. The Inesmbered Estates bill would
certainly come up to that &use on
en Monday, and he trusted
he should receive the co-operation of th lordship' in pass-
ing it into n law.
said he bail heard that many
Lord REDESDALE and
important changes had been made in the bill in the Commons
and, thrietore, he could nut oledge himself to accede* to its
becoming law without the fullest consideration.
The E irl of GLENGALL said that the bill in question
would require the most candul consideration. As at present
framed, lie believed it to be the most infamous piece of
tyranny that was ever framed by a despot. (Laughter.)
The Marquis of CLAN RICAItDE trusted that the noble
earl would not interpose any delay in the way of the In-
cumbered Estates Bill. There was no measure more loudly
called for. Every. post trot Ireland brought to him the
most anxinivi inquiries respecting it. (Hear, hear.)
Lard DIONTEAGLE thought it would be a most incon-
venient practice if their lordship, were to allow a measure
which had been originated iu their house to be compietely
altered in te commons, and then to pass it es altered a
tingle debathe, and after being allowed only two days furafter con.
sidemtion.
The Earl of GLENGA.LL said that thereonly four
Irish peers belonging to that side of the house in London,
all the rest having gone home to assist the government in
maintaining the public peace. Was that a time in which to
hurry on a measure, the effect of which would erntiscate
nine-tenths r.e the landed property of Ireland ?
Lord CAMPBELL raid that the bill was no new bill. It
was the same measure which their lordships had passed,
greatly improved, as he conceived, by the amendments of the
Co
The Earl of MOUNTCASHELL concurred in deprecating
hasty ledation with respect to the Incumberel Estates Bill.
The gi
LOltD CHANCELLOR said that noble or nem
Ireland teemed anxious to discuss on Friday a measure which
would come before the house until the following Monday.
(A laugh.) The measure belore the house was the Eccle-
eisetical Salts Compromise Bid.
The bill was then read a third time an
:lock.d passed.
Their lordships adjourned at lean o'.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—PRIDAY, JULY 28.
The Smek.can took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND REIDINGS.—Duke of Bridgewater's Estate; Greens
law's (or Woolwich glebe lands) Estate; Nicnolson's Divorce; Rams-
den's Fst.te ; Waterhouse's Charities Estate); w
Railway and
REPORT CONSlDERED.—Eilinbiugh arid Glasgo
Edinburgh and !Indurate Railway ArnaOrauiation ltilL
THIRD READING. —lludderalleld Improvement ,No. 2) Bill.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED.—Dundee and Arbroaath
Railway (Dundee junction;; Edinburgh and Glacgow
Railway, nd
Glasgow, Airdr and Monklanils Junction Railway (amendment of
sets)• London and North Western Railway (branches and extensions
from Leamington, U.); Bills.
PUBLIC IRMINESA
SECOND READlNGS.—Paymastars' Offices ConsolidationOvore
law Cnion Charges (No. 2); Bills.
COYISH ITEE--larmers' Estate Society (Ireland) ; British Spirits
Warehousing; Bills.
REPORTS.—R-prodoctise Loan Fund Institution (Ireland); Juve-
nile Offenders (Ireland); Land-taxpornmissioners' Names; Regent's
Quadrant Colonnade; Rum Duties; Bit%
THIRD READINGS.—Salmon Breed Preeervation; Public Works
grelarci) (Na 2); Bills.
NOTICE OF NOTION.—K ATM WA a.—Sfr. OSBORNE, oa Thum.
day next, an address praying her Majesty to voider some mark of
distinction on thoce °Mars who distinguished themselves in the
Bahr sat.
THE CHELTENHAM AND ORS
HAM ELECTION
PETIT lONS.
Mr. F. AULE said that with reference to the motion
standirg inM the name et the hon. member Isr Pontefract
(Mr. M. Manes) to postpone the committees on the petition
against the return for these boroughs till next session, he
bad made it quiry of the beet authoritiout violating the Oct
es, and found that it
was not competent for the house, with
of pardament, to mate such an order ; neither could the
committee of seketion defer the nomination of the com-
the
mittee beyond some day in the resent session. On
ground of the inconvenience to hon. members who might be
liable to serve he regretted that this° committees should
have been delayed to so late &period of the session ; at the
same time no one could say whether, under existing circum-
stances, it might not be necessary for parliament to continue
sitting a month longer than was generally expected. (Hear.)
Mr. M. MILK ES hoped the right hon. gentleman would
apply his mind to the subject, with the view of preventing
the extenson of th inconvenience of remaining in attend-
ance untili the 10the of August, the day fixed for striking the
committees of the whole panel from which they were to be
selected, consisting as it did of no less than 100 members.
The SPEAKER intimated that the house had no power
the
to adjourn the appointment of the committee beyond
existing session ;sad after a few words from Mr. C. Berkeley,'
Mr. F. !dente, and Mr. Milnes, the subject dropped.
THE POOR LAW AMENDMENT BILLS.
Mr. C. BULLER withdrew the l'oor-law Officers' Super-
annuation Bill, against which he understood strong objec-
tions were entertained both in and out of the house, an
the
d
intimated that if he should determine on carrying
out
obct n a future session he would do so by a differnt
mole.l
de. (liar, hear.) With regard to the Poor-law Union
Charges Bill, which the house had already had under dis-
cussion on two occasions, he was assureu that the opinion out
of doors was more favourable to that measui e than to the
other, and so far as the general principle went he had no
reason to suppose, from what had taken place in the house,
but that it would, if carried to a division, be affirmed by a
large majority. (Heat and no.) Nor did Le believe h
sees
should have any great difficulty in carrying the clau
through committee. The opponents of the measure,
however, he was aware possessed a power of obstruction
he could not resist—the power of time. lie did not, how-
ever, propose to abandon this bill altogether, but to take the
clause which renewed Mr. Bodkin's act of last year, and the
clause which made the charge for vagrancy a general charge
pier the whole union, the first being necessary
to prevent t
act in question expiring, and without the second he could
not hope to straggle against the great evil of vagrancy.
These two clauses he must press, but the rest of the bill he
should abandon for this session. (Hear, hear.) It there
was no objection he would propose that the bill should be
read a second time without further discussion, then to go
into committee proforma, and reduce the bill to the objeeta
he had stati ii. It there should be any objection to the bill
as so limited, the discussion might be taken when they again
went into committee. If that course should be objected to
he would bring in a new bill embracing the two clauses only.
The order of the day for the Poor-law Officers' Superan-
nuation Allowance Bill was then read and discharged.
POORAW UNION CIiARGIES BILL.
Mr. C. BULLER having moved that the bill be now read
a second time,
Mr. SPOONER hail received many complaints against
this bill generally, including that clause whichwent to renew
-re. Bodkin's act. He could not, therefore, consent to the
e now proposed.
HENLEY also opposed the motion.
a few words from Mr. FitEWEN,
BULLER, in reply to a question from Mr. CLE-
.I the clause relating to Irish and Scotch paupers
ithdrawn without any practical hardship being
-s was no nett saity for the intervention of the
doubt as to the law of the case—the inter-
.ily put on the the Settlement Act of 1816 in
being the same as that put upon it in
LENTS gave notice that he should oppose the
he clause in question.
'E expressed a hope that a general measure
whole subject of the poor-law would be
td next session.
was then withdrawn.
STATE OF IRELAND.
LEN asked whether, in the event of the de-
ject not being concluded that evening, and as
that Irish members, who were naturally
present at that debate, should roceed to
as poesible, the noble lord inptended to
house should meet to proceed with the dis-
to-morrow (this day)?
RUSSELL.—ShouId the debate on the motion
3 committee of supply and the amendment of
thee for Rochdale not be concluded that even-
move that the house meet to-morrow (this
, o'clock. to continue it.
f PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
•been intimated that this Dili would be proceeded
-u Monday, at twelve o'clock, ea Tuesday next,

THE YEOMANRY OF IRELAND.
Sir A. BROOKE asked if the government intended, in
the event of a general insurrection in Ireland, to call out the
yeomanry of the north ? The tafety of the country was
already attributable to the loyalty and services of that corps.
MALTA.
Mr.
bring
forward
the
motion
Even on his own property he could count upon Sat to
men anxious and ready to serve her Majesty. lie hoped the
noble lord would give some information on the subject, in
order that they might he prepared to take such steps as that
information might require.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had already written to the
lord-lieutenant on the subject, and in all his observation*
he ended with saying that whatever reasons there might be
for calling out the yeomanry, he thought it was a question
which ought to be left to his (the lord-lieutenant'st judg-
ment and discretion, rather than be determined ty the
crown. (Hear, hear.) There was the greatest confidence
on the part of the viceroy and the government towards the
yeomanry corps alluded to by the hon. gentleman, and if
they should not be called out, it would be from no doubt in
Mr. HAWES stated (in reply to several questions) that
the appointment of the civil governor of Malta would in-
crease the army estimates. (Hear, hear )
THE STATE OF IRELAND.
On the order of the day for going into • committee of
thatsucl Er e srl 3'. :Se c.t C. R A W F 0 RidD
of which he had given notice, namely—" That the present i
distracted state of Ireland demands the instant attention of
parliament, with a view to the speedy enactment of such
meesures as may be necessary, to improve the condition, re-
dress the grievances, and establish the just rights of the Irish I
people, and thereby promote the good order and prosperity I
of that portion of the United Kingdom, and give ncreased i
security to her Majesty's crown and government." It was
his intention to follow up that motion by one similar to that
proposed by the noble lord in 1844, forgoing into a committee
of the whole house to consider the state of Inland.
On that occasion, viz. on the 13th of February, 1844, the
noble lord said, '' we have before us the notorious tact that
Ireland is filled
postedwpe and that the barracks in which
these troop' are p have been fortified. We have heard,
too, only this morning, that preparations have been made, as
if the government were in hourly expectation of civil war.
We have before us, in short, the fact that Ireland is occupied
and not governed by those who now hold the reins of
power. In England the government, as it should be, and
has been, is a government of opinion ; the government of
Ireland is notoriously a government of force." The noble
oble
lord subsequently said, ' I can see no hope for
counry unles you take a new and very different course
from that whsich you have yeti pursued." These were the
sentiments which he (Mr. Crawford) now addrverd f
whatto he
noble lord and that helm. It they were ignorant o
ought to be do it was their own fault, for Ire-
aine's wrong', andne the means of remedying them had
been so often stated t that they were and had been
for a long time matters of record. The non. gentleman then
quoted the commiasionere of the poor-law and various other
authorities, to show that the great mass of the people were
without food or employment ; to which elate he contended
they had been reduced by the misgovernment, oppression,
and unjust and partial laws of the British parliament. The
penal laws imposed by Queen Anne hail told with fearful
effect upon the country, and had impoverished the other
classes as well as the Roman catholics against whom thfreeey
were direeed. In 1758 there was a demand mule for
trade, but it was rejected by the English House of Com-
mons, inGnteq
couence of representations from Bristol, Liver-
pl, and lasgow. In 1782 she obtained her independence;
but, alter a 20 years' struggle between the supporters
of Irish liberty and the advocates of British rule,
a rebellion was fomented, and the union carried
by means of the greatest corruption and fraud.
The noble lord at the head of her Majesty's government
&eked, in 1844, whether the conditions on which the union
was carried were fulfilled. He would now ask the name
question. Roman catholic emancipation was not granted
until twenty years afterwards. The Irish Reform Act was
passed, and also the Municipal Corporation Act, but neither
ot them was carried in a fair spirit of equality. There ws
another grievance whichthe English government ha I pledgea d
themselves to redress. Ile referred to the tithe question,
and he should like to know -vhether that question was 'satis-
factorily settled. The people of Ireland paid as much tithes
as ever. The tithes amounted to 378,000!. a year ; the re i
venue of church lands amounted to 211,0001. a year, both
amounting to 580,5501. a year, that amount being upwards
of half a million, still continued as a drain upon the resource
of the people of Ireland,and that great drain was still appli, d
to the use of one church, the members of which little
exceeded one.twelith of the population. (Hear, hear.) He
then referred to the registration, and contended that the
people of Ireland could not be considered as possessing any-
thing that could be called a franchise, and he condemned the.
poor law u utterly inefficient for the relief of the pauoers of
Ireland. The Landlord and Tenants Bill, which was
brought in by the government, would be of no value, and
would give no eatielaction to either the landlord or tenant in
that country. He produced resolutions paned at a meeting
of 24 orange lodges in the north of Ireland, which showed
that their demands would not he satisfied by this bill.
There were various other measures which were promised :
there was the measure for the reclamation of waste lands;
that measure was put off'. The people were exterminated
and allowed to starve, while there were millions of acres of
waste land which was reclaimable, and thousands of people
ready to work. It was a question that ought to be at once
entertained, even at a loss to the state. The Incumbered
Estates Bill was not one which would redress the evils which
now existed—the only bill which could be of value was the
Landlord and Tenants:Bill, if introduced on a;proper basis.
1 At the opening of the session her 'Majesty in her speech
called the attention of the present ministry to the Mare of
'lreland, in order that the grievances of that country should
I be remedied, but her Majesty's government, nevertheless,
brought in, in the first place, a coercion bill, which was sup-
ported and carried by liberal members on themmcoednditiiatelyon
that remedial measures would be proposed i
afterwards. No remedial messura was passed, and yet
they passed two additional coercion measures. The bill
for the remedy of the abuses connected with the
eviction of the poor in Ireland was three months
before both hovers of parliament and not parsed, while

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clause.
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The motion was
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Sir. L. O'BRIE
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propose that the t
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