The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-28 00:00:00

DFBLIt! IliktOViillifarr BILL.

On the oniWfo;the eecond radiag of thin brill being nod,
Mr. REYNOLDS said that dam the last time of this
measure being before the house he had received fresh in.
'tractions from all dames of the citizens of Dublin to give it
every possible opposition. He held in his hand petitions
nins4it from the Lord Mayor and burgesses, the Chamber
commeree, and also one from the eitissas generally, with
4,000 signature,. He regretted that In siesolesce with the
forms of the house he could tot present time petitions on
the present occasion, but must have them 1:11n the pri-
vate bill oaks. The hon. member concluded movies that
the bill be read a second time that day six
Mt. J. O'CONNELL supported the motion, and begged
the hoists to give des weight to what he believed to be the
almost oomumous (minims of the citizens of Mobilo.

The Berl of LINCOLN suggested that es the discussion
on this bill had been on a former evening adjourned in order
that the right hon. beratet the Secretary for Ireland might
have time for inquiry, a further adjournment should take
place to enable the right hon. baronet to state the result.
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- The SPEAKER said that the only mede in which this
mold be done would be fur the hon. member to withdraw big
amendment and propose another.
Mr. KBYNOLDS persisted in mobs hie media to a
division.
The hoax divided—For the second raiding . 23
Foe the amendment.... 32-13

The Earl of LINCtILN remarked that tie Secretary for
Ireland had taken the very unusual course of going oat on a
private bill. Se trusted that the right hon. baronet having
voted against the present bill, would state what it wee the
intention of the government to do with reference to the two
other bills on this ',abject which had been meanly brought in.
Sir W. f3OIIERVILLS said he would hum given en ex-
planation previous to the division bad not the Speaker Intl-
stated to hint that he was not entitled to address the house.
He was now prepared to state that government wee willing

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ezplanaties WU girth by me at the Cue. The de patches la
onestion related to some apprehended &Asthma's in the
;nand of Jamaica, in come-queue of the wouopoUsta there
having been disapprinted at the passing of the Sugar Bill is
Ingthad. The language nail was, that several of the plan-
tmi en proprietors were going to transfer their allegiance to
the United States. The despatches contained • statement
relative to the threatened disturbances • they referred to par-
titular individnah by name; they embadied dorsi, how which
had not been taken before the magistrates. anc um wilco low*
praved charges; and those parte which had re brews to charge'
of that nature against individuals were struck out, • course
which I am perfeatly mewed to defend, and to take again
if necessary. (Hear, mar.) I think I have met the charge of
the bon. gentlemen, and now I beg to tell him that when
the committee meets there will not be the slightest chleetioa
to lay before them the whole of the despatches mallet, not
for the nee of the house or the public, but In order to show
them that there is turbine to justify the term " mutilation,"
which has bummed. Wha•ever was withh,ld en a former
°session was extracted simply with a view to the just proteo-
tion of pvivatechereeter;* and my noble friend, the Secre-
tary for the Colonies, would have beim unworthy the position
be tolels had he scrupled to sot is be did. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. BAILLIS.—WiII you ley the despatches bean the
tome
Mr. HAWES.—Certainly not. I will lay them before
the committee, but not before the house and the public.
Mr. BAILLIE.—Toes must recollect that the committee
does not sit on the affairs of Jamaica, but on those of Ceylon.
Mr. HAWES.—I w 1 not consent to lay them before the
house and the public.
Mr. OSBORNE.—Is the committee to be a secret one ?
Mr. IthWES.—Certain'y not, to far as I know. (Hear,

hear.)
Mr. RUME.—I thenth: they were t 3 sit on the affairs of
the colonies genetaily. (Loud tutee of " No, no.")
Mr. BAILLIE.—They ere limited to thzee of Ceylon.

CONSUL AT CALIFORNIA.
Mr. WYLD inquired, amidst general laughter, whether it
was the intention of her Majesty's ministers to appoint a
consul at San Francisco or at say of the ports of Celif.irnia ?
Lord PALMERSTON replied that this was a question
which had not now bceu put to him for the first time. Rs
bad had it put to him privately before, by ',me who were
interested in behalf of others, =damns who were interested
in their own prospects. (Laughter.) But he had no inten-
tion of appoindug any coned at present, because, as every
boa. =maw must see, there was no form of government
that hit Maw of established is California with whom • con-
sul amid mammunicate. He might, to be sure, communicate
with the galifinders. (Loud laughter.)

SREEP-STEALINO IN IRELAND.
Mr. BOURKE asked whether it was the i tendon of the
right her. gentleman the Secretary for Ireland to intrados
any measure in the present session en the subject of sheep-
stealing in the sister country
Sir. W. SOMERVILLE replied in the negative.
.Ir. BOURKE, under t':ess circumstancv, gave notice
that he would on Tuesday, the 13th of Much, move (or leave
to bring is a bill for the better protection of elute and sheep
in Ireland, and ear the mote speedy Ceeztion and punish-
ment of stvep.sunders in that country.
THE WINDINOXP COF EMBAES.RRASSED RAILWAY
OMPANI
Mr. BANDARS asksd whether it was intended in the re-
mit smite to introduce any measure to facilitate the wind-
ing-up of embarrassed railway companies?
Mr. LABOUCEERE believed that an act for that purpose
had pulsed in a previous session. If that measure required
marndenent, he would be happy to consider any suggestions
which might be mods with a view to its alteration, or, It
cause were shown, he would propose another measure to the
house.
Mr. SANDARS observed, that the act to which the tight
hon. gentleman referred was for the winding-up of
jafet-
stock &lA., and he wished to know whether her Majesty's
nainist. is would extent that act to the windiog.up of Pa-
harassed railway companies?
Mr. LAROCCIIERE bdieved that the bi:l of last session
did not apply to present railway companies, but that it did
app4 to future railway companies. It was prospective and
not reteespoctive ; and if he found that it could be altered
with advaLtage, he certainly would have no otjecti.o to do
so. (Rear.)

THE IRISH DEBATE.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL siid el at two important objects
maid be attained—that of haviog only one debate on Irish
affairs, and enabling bon. memb.rs to express their view.
telly with regard to the sister country—if the nob', lord at
the lead of tee gov.trnreent would In Thursday. Friday, or
Monday for the bringing forward of his motion relative to the
first report on Irish poor laws.
Lied J. RUSSELL replied that he was anxious to intro-
duce the motion on Thursday, bat that three other motions,
of which peeks had been gwen by the hon. member for
Bath (Lord A•hley), the hon. member for Cork (Mr. Fagan),
and the bon. member for Nottingham (Mr. F. O'Connor),
stood in the way.
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At the suggestion of Mr. Roca',
Mr. FA0421 awl Mr. O'Clotexot ensented to withdraw
their notices of notion for Thursday is order that the noble

lord might have precedence:
Lord ASHLEY wits obligeO, nlectantly, to say that be
could not cosseat to withdraw his motion, because it was of
very considerable importarce, and ha had already given way
to other hon. member S.
LOT4/1 J. RUSL-ELL said that the noble lord the member
for Bath might malts his statement on Thursday, bat that
as there was no objection on the part of her Majesty's minis-
ters to advise the issuing of the C001112193'011 he sought for,
the discussion could not last any Itt.‘gth of time, and he
(Lord J. Russel') would then bring en his motion relative to
the Irish poor-laws. (Hear, kw.)
Yr. J. O'CONNELL, under these circumstances, con-
sented to withdraw his notice of motion respecting
which stood on the paper for that day (Tuesday).

THE RIVER PLATE.
Mr. BWART asked the right hon. the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs whither the negotiations were satisfac-
torily proceeding with a view to the settlement of affairs in
the River Plate ?
Lord PALMERSTON replied that he saw no reason why
the settlement of these affairs should not take place, and that
he trusted and hoped they would be shortly adjusted.
LEGAL EXAMINATIONS AND LECTURES.
Mr. SWART asked the right hon. the Attorney-Gemmel
whether any steps had been taken by the ions of court, in
pursues.* of the recommendations of the coneadtese ea 1
" Legal Education," to establish preliminary examdhedeMe
mei kerma on the law ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied that the bee et
court had appointed a lecturer, and that the Middle Temple
had had a lecturer of high reputation, but that his Ma=
was very isdifferently attended. The teachers bad aelewled
the lectures pretty well, but. generally speaking, these mesa
disinclination on the part of gentlemen to avail them-
selves of these valuable aids to various branches of legal
knowledge. (Hear.)
WORKING WOMEN IN FACTORIES BY RELAYS.
IlLr. 'LINDLEY asked the right hon. the Secretary 01
Stan hr the Home Department, whether it was the inten-
tion of her Mejary's prernment, as stated in some of the
public journal', to bring in a bill to authorise the working
woman and young persons in factories by relays. and U so,
when it was probable the bill would be introduced ?
Sir G. GREY said the hon. gentleman must be aware that
various decides' had been given by magistrates on the clause
in the Factory Act, and that therefore some amendment in
the law must take place with respect to the particular clause
in question. Her Majesty's government bad seen several
parties interested in the matter, and the subject was stall
under consideration. A bill was in course of preparation,
but it would be unadvisable to say what its provisions were
until be moved that it be hid on the table of the house.
CONVICTS IN IRELAND.
W. HERBERT asked whether her Majesty's government
contemplated the adoption of any immediate meenres foe
the removal of convicts from the gaols in Ireland ? He had
received a stat, mint from his own county (Kerry), frost
which it appeared diet there were at present three times
the number of prisoners in the gaols that there was mean-
"iodation for, and that a daily immense was being made.
Sir G. GREY admitted that some of the Irish gaols were
mote crowded than they ought to be, but the house must
know that the government had no power to remove those
who were waiting for trial. The act obliged grand juries to
snake sufficient provision in counties and he (Sir 0. they)
had been in communication with the Lord-Lieutenant of Ire.
lane on that subject. It was tuts Out several prisoners under
sentence of transportation had been detained In the gaols fee
a longer period than was necessary,ut that
had been occasioned by the numerous sentences
el transportation which had lately been passed in
the sister country. Theis sentenen bad increased from 500
to 2,000 in the year, and at the last quarter sessions in Janu-
ary no fewer than 595 had been sentenced to transportation
—a number exceeding any former occasion. The government
wen doing all they could to provide increased aceommoda.
titer ; a ship had been chutero I to remove some con-
victs to Australia and the prison depot at Spike ducal was
being enlarged. (Hear.)
RENEWAL OF LEASES IN IRELAND.
In reply to Sir H. W. SAMSON,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that a bill for the morel of
teats In Ireland would be immed ately introduced in the
House of Lords.
THE RAJAH OF SATTARA.
Mr. HUME moved for a return of the amount of
;tali for the maintensne t the family of the Into Ptriarti=
Shun, the late Rajah of Satter., since his death, and the
dates oat which the payments were aide.
Sir J. C. ROBROCSE said that the feirest offers hat
been made with a view to providing for the widow and chit
dna oldie late Rajah. but that they had been declined an
less a continuous allowance were proffered to the eldest
ma.
Kr. G. THOMPSON hoped tbe government would bring
the dame of the family to a speedy settlement.
Sir J. 8000 said there was every disposition on the part
of the Omit of' Dfrectus ant the lwr.l government to do
what wee sight and proper is the matter.
Mr. HUME reminded the hoe. gentleman that the inter
of the Coast of D:reetra wes dated so far back as June,
1 sad meantime the family wen starving.
a taw words in reply from Sir J. Noon, the motion
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SALARIES, PENSIONS, he.
Mr. HUME maned for
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the melee at 301. sad rewards from those sod from 611 other
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er Weettimi awl trelmod.
Ho meld net maceive that there could be any objeet'on to
these returns ; but if the loose would give him a committee
ho wield undertake to mate the returns himself for 101.
(" Haar," and laughter.) It was meet essential that the
nation should know-how its money was expended, and with
that view he submitted the present incelou,
Mr. PARKER said the only objection to such a return
was, the great trouble and outlay of public money which it
would occasion. In 1836 and '44, returns of a somewhat
similar character had teen ordersd, and occupied from fifty
Ito sixty minted pmes. The second return, in particular,
would be wry extensive.
Mr. HUME said he did not wish to do aaytbing which
would wagon unnecessary trouble. A similar return had
been ordered on the motion of the hou. member for Fina-
-1 bury, in 1847, but bad n been made. He would, how-
-1 ever, postpone his motion for two or three days, in the hope
that ministers might then be dispose to accede to it, if it
could conveniently be granted.
Lord J. RUSSELL said there was no objection in prin-
ciple to this return; but the question was, whether there
would be any public advantage at all equal either to the
trouble or the expense of making out any great number of
pages of names. But if the bon. gentleman would postpone
hie motion for a few days, be would endeavour to ascertain
whether it could be agreed to without incurring a great ex-
pense.
Mr. HUME said he would postpone the motion till Friday,
in Me hope that it would then be agreed to as an unopposed
return.
CEYLON AND BRITISH GUIANA. .

Mr. BAILLIB nominated the following as members of
the select committee on grimaces in the colonies of Ceylon
and British Ouhuni—Mr. Home, Bir J. Wslmsley, Sir H.
Peel, Sir J. Hogg, Ms. o:adstone, Mr. C. Wien, Mr.
Disraeli, Mr. Hawes, Mr. Adderley, Mr. Wilson, Mr. B.
Wortley, Lord Hotham, Mr. &tithe, Mr. M'Cullagh, and
Major Diarekall.—agreed to.

THE REBELLION IN THE PUNJIXB.
Mr. G. THOMPSON moved, " That, in reference to that
part of her Majesty's gracious speech informing her pthlia.
went that • rebellion had broken out in the Punjanb, an
humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that
she will be pleased to direct all paper relating to an event of
this domestic and importuit character to be laid before the
hones without further delay." The hon. gentleman ex-
premed his belief that these jivers might be laid before the
house without any injury to the public service. At present
there wee no authentic Information in the possession of the
public as to the oases of the war guiog on in the Punjaub.
He would not press the motion against the wish of minister,
but hoped they would see the dzeirablene a of laying the
papers befure the house as soca as possible.
Sir J. C. HOBBOUSE said he was exceedingly glad that
the hon. member had taken the very discreet ;I.nm of not
pressing this motion. Had it been pressed he siseuld have
felt it impossible, in the situation he held, to cot sent to the
production of all the papers. The hon. gentleman himself
admitted that there were some, the production of which
might be prejudicial to the public interest, and he could
assure the hun. gentleman and the house that there would
be no delay in printing any that were necessary for the pub-
lic information. If the subject of the proceedings in the
Punjaub were brought under discussion at the proper time,
after the papers were given, he doubted not that the hon.
gentleman and the house would absolve the Indian govern-
ment altogether from any improper conduct in this matter.
(Hear, hear.) He could not quite agree with the hon. mem-
ber as to the state of ignorance of the house relative to the
eausesef this war. The public newspapers had given a very fair
account of the outbreak and its causes, and nearly all the
transactions of importance that had occurred had been de-
tailed with considerable fidelity. He was certain that, when
the proper time come, the Governnr-General and the Indian
government would be absolved from all blame, and it would
be found that they had taken the only- course they c-uld take
consistent with the security and honour of the British empire
in India. (Hear.)
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Mr. OSBORNE said, he wished to press on the right hon.
gentleman the necessity of pro.incing the despatch of Sir
Joseph Tasekwell, which he believed was in the handset the

goveiament.
Sir J. C. HOBHOTJSE said he believed that despatch was
a letter written by Sir Joseph Toackwell to the Governor-
General. He knew there was such a document, but he
thought it bad not yet bees forwarded to the home mithori-
tim. He knew it had been alluded to, bat he would not say
for certain that it hadmiateover. However, he would make
ingairy, sad let the hon. gentleman know the result ; and
afterwards, if it were shown that there were special circa's'.
stances making the production of that paper desirable, and
if he (Sir John) toned that there was no objection to giving
It, he would do so.
Mr. G. THOMPSON said the papers relating to the
operationsmili-
tatary in Seeds had been laid before the house
le the army was still in motion.
The motion was then withdrawn.
BUCKINOHAM SUMMER ASSIZES BILL.
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Mr. DUPRE, in moving the second retd.og of this bill,
said the object of it was simply to place the county of
Buckingham on the same footing with every county in the
kingdom, and to allow of the aesizes being held In the meet
convenient place in the county. For a century past, an act,
obtained by family influence, had been kept on the statute
book, which prevented the assizes being held elsewhere than
at Buckingham, though that was detrimental to the interests
of the majority of the inhabitants. 'The measure now be
fore the house, fur holding the assizes at Aylesbury, was
banded on petitions numerously signed, emanating from the
to and other influential inhabitants. Any one
at the map of the county must be convinced of the
coe";;Zeituation of Aylesbury. The Chief Boron had ex-
pressed himself decidedly in favour of the change. This
bill, however, did not necessarily authorise the removal of
the assess, but merely enabled the county to bring the case
before the Privy Council, under the set of Wm. llf.

The Marquis of CHANDOS said he did not think his
hon. friend had alleged sufficient grounds to justify the
house in assenting to the bill. He doubted whether it
would be for the benefit of the whole county of Bucking-
ham. When the question was brought before the magis-
trates in July, 1847, there was a division of three to one
it. The subject was again brought forward at the
ed sessions, and amongst the magistrates who voted
against it was his hon. friend. It was not a question
between Aylesbury and Buckingham, but a qiustion
between the two extremes of the county. He opposed
the measure, because it was not in accordance Irma the
opinion of the magistrates in the north of the county ; and he
would, therefore, move that it be read a second time that day
six nsonths.

Sir G. GREY ho2sd that the noble lord would not press
his anseadoest. The bill would not neceuarily hare the
result which she noble lord seemed to contemplate. The
plies of bolding the sakes would not necessarily be chested.
The bill merely placed the coun:y of Buckingham in the
same position as the other aunties of England, with re-
gut to which the Queen In council had posessesd the
pews of elssagingthe place of holding arise. That was a
pewee whits k aught be desirable to exercise sometimes.
TL seassilment was then withdrawn, and the bill road a
secs* doh
The hawse adjourned at half-put 7 o'clock.