The Express.
London, England, 1848-08-15 00:00:00

He also objected to the payment out of the fund of civil
contingencies, which wail wended for a different purpose ;
but the name of Sir C. Trove lyan did not appear ia the vote
for civil coningeneice—(hear)—and in the gross vote there
gine for payments fur service. in Ireland on account
of the rent no one would suppose there was 2,500 e. included
to Sir C. Trevelyan.
Lord J. RUSSELL considered that when the service was
concluded was the time when the government should mark
its sense of it ; and. though it might be contended the
vsruaunt should I o.ve no discretion, it did appear to him
that those who had w itemee el the exertions and auxiety of
Sire. Trevelyan his arduous duty were the fittest parties
W rward him, m d that it should be dons at the time, that
time bring when 1. oliament was not sitting, and when a
vote
could nu be er••pooed. Admitting generally the prin
ciple that public r tvonts were paid for their whole time,
there were exception, where great and extraordinary ser-
vices, as in the eare of military services, were performed, or
servises perform.' dorms those times they would otherwise
have at their own glosit oat, which did not neccourily come
within that principle..
Mr. V. SMITH, col o admitted the great services of Sir
C. Trevelyan, objectol to the principle of paying public
servants in the way wore propo-id without a previous esti-
mate being submitted t the house. Ile thought a redistri-
bution of salaries of public officers should be made, some in
his opinion being mud omen too high, while others were
paid too low. He had raised this ouestion before the com-
mittee on the miettilatteous estimates, and should support
any member who wild raise it in the house.
Mr. ISOCLBURN, AS one who felt deeply impressed
with the eervices et Sir C. Trevelyan generally, com-
plained that by tee rune government bad taken the MUM'
of Commons would have been preve•nte d, hut for the notice
taken of the sulijeet by the hon. member for Middles x,
joining in the , xoression of its sense of Sir C.
Trevelyan's eurtiece (Hear, hear.) This was a devise
non from the prieade that iu petuniidy payment for
especial public sertice, the House of Ceehmuhs was the
source from which that payment should come, which he must
pretest against With regard to the reduction in the num.
bet of Lords of the 'I reesury, he was at variance with the
committee, sehowscalirLi to hare forgotten the necessity of hav-
ing in the House of CORIMOUS a number of esthetes connected
with the guvernment to carryon the government in the house
—and weo also appeal,' to nave forgotten the importance of
having these interior i flees in order to qualify gentlemen to
take hereafter the Melo r "Mice, of the government. It was
now an everyday t rcurvence for repessentatives of the
government to be called before committees ; and thus the
Chancellor of the Ex mque r wets deprived of much valuable
sisistaace which he ought to re,o ire in the performauce of
his onerous duties. W n Ir• t:tlr. Cloulburo) held the odic*
of Chine. llor of the Exchequer he derived much important
stance from the Cocretaries of the Treasury. On this
question the committee had taken a very limited view.
Dr. IX/WRING re.erreal to the report of the committee,
and said that it ou.:ht to be considered along with the
evidence. As to the I: rile of the treasury, the evidence bad
been very weak. It sees moved that they should be re-
duced to two, and fir this live members voted. and only
xis seninst it. The proposal of a reduction to three was
es irri by 7to 4. I t,c committe e was of othnioti that by a
different distrieutitia of the duties, more might be given
them to do-
C.d. DUNNE could r.ot concur in the propriety of the
grant to Sir C. frevelyao, and hoped that it such an ocea-
n= arose again in Ire:aud, Sir Charles might be sent to
cam honours elsewhere.
Mr. MONSELL fel, us strongly as any ram the ability
and seal with which Sir C. Trevelyan had acted ; but re-
collecting the way in which he had thwarted the wishes of
men who understood the recessities of the country better
than Airmen, he could not but think that his policy had pro-
duced the most dimetroui result, which had !thee result tl
rebellion, and which lie could not fallCli 111 with his vote.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the relief works bud been
undertaken from the best possible !naives, and with the con
moue of the Irish members, but it was now prove dto
have been a mistaken course, and he regretted Sir C. Trestle
yon shooed have defended it. But of the great exertions
and laborious services of Sir Charles no one could entertain
the slightest doubt ; and he hoped the holm would not be
divined en this qu scion. Still he could not justify t.e way
in which the grout bad been made.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that Sir C. Trevelyan ought not
to b. made auswerable tor the po:icy which ministers had
'doped, The Public Work. Act had been passed alter con-
sultieion of the cabinet ministers with Lord Bessborough.
It 'meta, therefore, b mow unjust to cast any blame for
this on Sire.. Trevelyan. To prove what his sersices had
been, the nettle lord read en extract from Sir Charles's evi-
dence, rating that he had never been called on for
such exertions at he hod to make in Ireland. The
government mijed be erong in their Irish policy
at that time; they whew be wrong in including
this grant it, the civil contingencies; but he hoped the house
would not visit those errors on Sir C. Trevelyae, whose in-
telligence and ability were admitted by all.
Auer a few woes from Mr. MonncLL, as to a plan which
he had proposed for remedying the evil of Ireland,
Mr. LA bOUCHEISE said th.tt Sir C. Trevelyan had la-
boured with as much zeal and industry to carry out views in
which he did not entirely concur as those which emanated
from himself. As Secretary for Ireland at the time he (Mr.
Labouchere) could not refrain from hearing to tummy to the
excellent course pursued by Sr C. Trevelyan.
Mr. OSBOII.NE wished to recall the attention of the com-
mittee to the question before it ; was it proper or not that
ministers should to::: a ,-uni et moues' for services rendered,
without the approval of pieliament? He contei dcd that
the assistants of Sir C. Trevelyan were as well entitled as
Einar If to an extra grant. Ile thought the whole was an
illegal transaction. lie would either divide now or on the
civil centineencies.
Mr. BRIOHT hoped the ill vision would not now be taken,
se it would appear uneratioua to S.r C. Trevelyan to with-
hold the 2,5001., his regular salary.
The vote was then a reed to
10,7001 expense • feud salari• sor the office of Secretary of
State for Ale lieme Deriartece ht.—Agreed to.
57.500/., salaries and expeoses of the office cf Secretary for
Foreign Affoils.
Mr DISRAELI suggested that the vote should be taken
at another period, as he bud some cheerer ions to nicks wit's
respect to it.
Lord J. RUSSELL sail that he sve.ukt; in that cue, take
the vote on Wednes ;Ay, at 12
The vote wit then poetpoucel, and the chairman reported
progress.
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ROME BILL.
Lord J RUSSELL said he pr posed to move the second
reading of this bill on Friday next. He might also men-
tion that he proposed to proceed with the Sugar Duties Bill
ce Monday.
The house adjourned at a quarter to I o'clock.

ELECTION CO -AMU FE ES.—YESTERDAY.
CUELTE,NIRM.—The proceedings commenced with
evidence in support of the e..arge of agency. Two solicitors
were examined, one of whom proved that he had acted as
agent for Mr. Berkeley, had canvassed for him, and had dis-
tribieed to the voters card: on which were printed the names
of various inns. There was no such word as " breakfast"
printed on the cards. The witness, however, admitted that
On the polling day some breakfasts were given, but he had
declined paying for them. The other solicitor had acted as
a d:tonct agent fur Mr. Berk..ley, and had di tribated cards
for bre detests, b, t C3U:d Oct tell who paid for them. lied
prornii el electors breikfasta on the polling day, but alter.
wane retracted his pro bk., arid the parties voted against
Mr. k.erkvley. Jaws Smite, a shoemaker, proved that he
had been enga,ted as a nimneng, r at a pound a week, on
cow:1 ion ti nt he vo'kel Mr. Berkeley. Ile voted to
that sentleman, and received the consideration.—A,ljourned
ro this day.
HoasuAtt.—The case was opened, the charges
being bribery Lad treati,:g. The first evidence went to
rove that a Mr. l'adwiek had acted as si,eat fur the sitting
mmler, Mr. Fitz &raid. Two tam en were next examined,
and proved that previous to the election of 1847 Mr. Fitz•
meld had invited them to a treat at the 11, chmond Arms.
They refused, and voted tor Mr. Jervis. On crosv.examinar
Lion elle of the witnesses stated that he had been induced to
vote for Mr. Jervis by a vision which appeared to him the
night before the elect -.on. Did not 1-now whether the viaion
was the result of potations at one of Mr. Jervis's open
houses—sorely knew that it was a vision, awl that be hail
remind it to a ritiog. (The witness's de-cription of the
supen,teural influent, under which he bad exercised the
franchise created considerable amusement.) After hearing
some similar evil, ice, the committee edjoorned sn this doe.