The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-29 00:00:00

wcrept ith which that veteran reformer the member I
Mordreee TON and said pay equal taxes tint, and
sou sha.l have jastice. Ile (Mr. Seek. Sher) would ;
justice first, and then equalise the telethon. 1
lloisters might depend that, in the lung run, the feeling of
tb. pools- of Ireland would be against them unless they
al veil towards that country a bold and generous policy.
When they did that, they might calculate upon the sup-
pat of Ir.sh member', and be sure of maintaining • majo-
,e 1 hen there would be an end of the Irish party—but
y got rid of their prejudices, and were cuutent to
gcc•
onese the espeuditure of Great Britain as well u of
I,,;,,,j—Oritti they treated Ireland with justice, whatever
utht be iu power, it would continue to find Ire-
▪ An..! the Irish party their great difficulty. With regard
prOVIII budget, he could not see huw any independent
mime r r .131•1 vote for it.
.ur. J. ItICARIJO observed that the hon. and learned
gineser who had just spoken had demanded that Ireland
rh 11:1 be treated with fairness and equality, hut had
„,„,a in it the income tax was fair for Logland and not
for Whin& lie (Mr. Ilicardus could not uudentand how
c uhl he any fairness in applying different principles
io it.. oue country froin those which were to prevail in the
othit. lie confessed himself somewhat at a lose to under-
sisal how the questien in regard to the amendment really
Ile came du en to the house on Monday last to dig-
question, finding on the votes as amendment to
e•
thet —thst in respect to any profession, trade, or You-
y. tor every bus. of the annual value or amount thereof,
end ender 4:01 , there should be levied for two
fr m April, 1643, 54. in the pound; for 2 earsy from
l"x,Te, is ;5, th in the pound, and for 3 years from Apr i 1,1847,
:c the pound. That was a plain and tangible proposition ;
Disteg some eztraordinary =sacrum another general reso-
lution het been put in the books, declaring, so far as he
could understand it, that no income-tax bill ought to be
passed without some adjustment and arrangement. The
whole pith of the mutter lay in the adjustment and arrange-
'pent. Ile did nut be lieve there was a men in the house,
and if there were certainly that man was not the Chancellor
of the Eachequer, who did not wish that this tax, as well
as sorry other tax, should be, as far as possible, adjusted
and equalised, end had expected, seeing this amendment,
that some gentleman on the other side would have told the
house how it was proposed by those who supported this
amendment to equalise and adjust the tax. (Hear.) He
concerted with his him. friend the member for the West
Biding in tkis—inat having taken an active pert against
the eitablishment and continuance of the tax in its present
forte, and having gone into the committee strongly im-
pressed with the opinion that readjustment was name-
mry, he had, after bearing the evidence of actuaries
and other, come to the conclusion that any
attempt at adjustment w be tantamount to the &brogue.
tion ot theta:. (Hear, hear, hear.) He was an advo-
cate of direct taxwein —and it was because he was so that
le should vote for this budget, in which he believed there
were the seeds and the foundation of direct taxation.
(Cheers) He believed the proper system of direct taxation
was on successions—and upon a fair and equitable tax on
SUCCEIWIIi he believed direct taxation might be safely
founded. (Hear, hear.) But if they attempted to go back
to iodic. et 13111000 they would find each a deficiency that
they would have to call back the giant from his tomb, for
whaten r their deficit they could never hope again to re-
place i; by customs and excise. He wool I have the house
nisch therefore, before they took that course. He un-
cured with the bon. member for the West Riding that it
was a men fallacy and a delusion to say that if they re-im-
posed the immense tax it would he taken off at any particular
period. It was impossible to calculate for more then mu
or two years at the most—sad no Chancellor of the
ischequer could fairly make up a budget in 1853
for the year 1860. And it was because that
was Lis opininn that he saw no danger in voting this bud-
get. But while he supported it generally, he claimed for
kmyelf and those who took the same course, the right to
gad fault with a-.y of the details in the proposidem. He
Irani with satisfaction that the Chancellor arum arm/se•
per was about to reconsider the proposed duty RS ViIAWNII,
which, as it stood, he (Mr. Ricardo) doubted, whether the
rot hos. gentleman would ever have carried. On OM
whole, however, be was prepared to fqrgive the right hen
pntleman what be must be permitted tedesignate the
Iblannal eccentricities of his scheme for the commutation- et
inanities on account of this budget, to which he showy
give a hearty support.
The CHAIRMAN explained that in the amends fie
misted in the votes the words '1 without some mitimedem
were omitted, which left the sense somewhat asabigmene.
Mr. F. FRENCH attacked Mr. Cobden toe ;Meg up the
paint, in referees* to the modification of the immeseme,
sad with regard to the general question, showed
reasons why, is his belief, the tax should not be ulgesfiedl
to Ireland, and why he should give his determined ow&
don to the *afire budget.
Mr. BELLEW, as an Irish member, took an o
view of the question. He believed that the p es ne.
gelded Ireland would he a groat boon to the tenant. farmer
al that country. He objected, however, to the duty upon
Irish whisky, but otherwise gave his support to the
measure.

Mr. SANDARS criticised the budglt, oliegUng to those
portions of it which related to the licensing and advertise•
went duties, which last should be swept away alto-
gether; and agreeing otherwise with the Mews of Hr.
Cobden.
Sir F. BARING was very glad that an amendment bad
been moved such se that which had been proposed,
became it did not put the question apes any
particular point, but went maim.. the whale prin-
ciple of the budget. The Chancellor of the Es-
chequer had stated vevy frankly that the corner stass of his
financial statement wen the income tax ; Meson if that
were rejected, the budget was of course at as .et Now
Le (Sir F. Bering) had expressed his great dissamfort both
whin the booms tax was first introdemblameml wit is
151',, at the large amount of revenue "AM um its
and therefore he had heard with the greatest solisitastiom
that her Maieety's government had come to the sassbmisi
that it was net fitted for permanent use in the time al
place ; and had taken measures for ultimately peal's rid
of it altogether. (lbw, hear.) He was mit OM who had
lay particular bre either for direct or indirect Juana.;
ba. experience had shown that • huge direct impost irt the
time of peace was • not • very easy thing to kelp ; '
and 0 his mind one of the most important qualities of •
he was that it could be kept. (Hear, hear.) There were
several gentlemen below the gangway who had expressed
themselves strongly in favour of direct taxation; but un-
intimately whenever any particular plan fur carrying
these theorise bets pasties was proposed they somehow wen
always food whoa aphid it. (Hear.) He therefore
Mould his OWltirm. hind Waimea very wisely is taking
cepa for the aslEss of the /010111/• tax ; sad be thought.
to, that be bad dews well not to maks any attempt to sleet
tat immediately INo doubt it would bare bees wry to
tare framed a 'shims ow paper for the repeal of the tea at
nee, but it was way deral Woad .solestheo. Ws how
ad the enstrmy IMO* bare, the_ libleillot mad it
ewe ths *sty of a SEWING INA~ wet,to Magma the pod
Worse Wile buhpt by smiting with them geperalar.„ sad
goedero ImPeddroble, proposals, lie respoonad, bonever,
list be ea Old the idght boa. petlesmaa did met canters-
*lt ths maims' of the isms ted, because be (Sir F.
Bodes) did est Wilms they wild ewe make it sopa baste
Usher to *Wee er perhstion. (Hems hear.) Ali he hod
as very wade( peel of this. A wiepaittse bad UM far
two Isms cm the salsfect with the .". Nestor of Fianna"
iii the chair; rod heisafter two years' Umbellate
it had been unable yak nay pilaw obviate the dhow
non to the tax. . ewe . Wee made gestures. of dis-
use] It was Wm, that do
had
had taboo a
preludes! of bat they hod made no report. In
this state Wildest the right hon. gootismars had done what
be thought may mosible man would do in such a case ; and
they hod the peddw, Paige of the government, that at
the to idaatisa of mews years the. income-tax should he
Man of. (Leaghtert.) It was quite true, that if the
igiaions of the soustry should undergo a great change' the
ha might still be retained ; bat, oa the other bawd, they
Mudd not prevent the country in such a case frees rein-
prang it, if it were abolished now. His own opinion was,
that it would be mere difficult to retain the
tax at the sad of the seven can than to re-
establish it, if sow repealed. Hear, hear.) But
now, what wsuld be the means o the government, at
the end cadre pried, to enable them to dispense with this
large bomber Ihe public revenue ? At that time it would '
yield 5p4,011111.111111., but the exchequer would be aimed
2,146,11 . by*. falling in of the Long Annuities, and
624,000.1. saved =
by the operation of Mr. Goulburn
r.
robs is The deficiency would thus be only
Aso esclusim of the additional mums of in-
seas the right hon. gentleman; mad ha *might
ha a Awes minioten would easily Pods a Pas Assdug-
hg with that. (Rear, hear.) With rugs* M the ditties
MPINto be redoord, he thought there geoid hardly be
headistimas shoat them. In particular, be thought the
map tax was op ef the worst now in exisesee, mad
it rejoiced to hear that it was deemed. He
hssght, whichtbee the prossat i•lfila day wok a
inaction it would be impossible keg W maints!a,
Wiese they had reehowl the axpese of dams, which
tad to fora Goo of tbe
_eidef reamsee for its Gladstone*.
liar, hear.) He Vsishp, theigibro, it was a wise mane
it coca to Amiss the eiewodsoms ia fewer of lawdlod po-
inty. (Cheers.) fle sombi thee, he maid say in favour of
de Mudd same of the gpmmemeet ; but after the list
assidsratisa be pull glee the ombjest, he really wen not
Prepared to vote fee the eztromiat of the Warne tax to
Plum wire did wet pa it tow. (Cheers.) In the first
tfti, it would increase - the &Welty of getting rid of it.
UM WNw swotted, of the retinae it yielded was
slimly the filet room why it woo so mararhies and
lara Ma a popemitima to add to it %If a M • n more.
Mew, hear.) It was said thaLdroy aught to extend the
he to imams of nu. bemuse of that class bad
profited greatly by mind Lseil polity ; but If that argu-
ment were sound, they ought So p below Mu lOW., because
the lower they went, the WOO they would find the
People had boolited. But the bleb was, the very object
of Sir R. Pots policy was to lesemille undo& from the
lower claws le Ws higher; and duo right hon. gentlemen
ought not to bring forward the beaeilts the lower classes
had received as es arpossat Ws replacing the. is the posi-
boa they heid beim. (Chum) Igor maid be altogether
silo bloom us else artgarmat &gaited As perusal while
W kwmogul Os .gesessibis bust of the
eta. He was nfYaid that wort lea vise Ere se Ito is.
moralising; bet this hid haw heftil Is Is • usursally S.
(Bear, hear.) All Woe ehowtoseisem applied with shill
pester fosse to Ire/NIL If they thewsle that the melba
to be et addition! twain. SIM War name esabe to bare
Men prepaid; sod Wow. dose opal= ofibt not be
Popular along* Wm ihiloopeoastryosa, be thought that
Use right hoe gentlemen would have pled mere wisely if
he bed followed the wen/1e of Sir Robert Pert. (Hear,
*rail Sir Reber! Peel bad told them that they would
Mrs the machinery to soma for eollectimig web en imposi-
tion is Indeed, and Sir Robert was a* teem authority, not
*I 010 a fussier, but as haring WNW lowa chief se-