The Express.
London, England, 1848-10-19 00:00:00

IRELAN D.

DUBLIN, Ocr. 18.
The trial of Mr. Meagher progresses slowly. and is
not likely to close before the end of the week, after
which the solicitor-general will remain in Clonmel
in order to bring the business of the commission to a
close, r.nd the attorney-general will proceed to Dubt:n,
to conduct the case against Mr. G. Duffy, and also the
other crown prosecutions, in the event of any more of
the state prisoners being put upon trial.
Mime' remains quite tranquil. The following is
from the correspondent of the Freeman, under date
Tuesday
The 13r,1 Buffs and a park of artillery arrived hare this
evening from the camp at Palltown. This addition makes
the garrison hers one of eonsiderable strength. The roots in
the neighbourhood of the court house have been patrolled
during the last day or two by a party of mounted dragoons.
I hope the authorities don't apprehend the descant of an I
army of insurgents from S.ievenagion to interrupt the course
of the law, or attempt the rescue of the rebel leaders !
In compliance with a requisition, numerouly and re-
spectable signed by men of all recta and pardes the mayor
has called a meeting of th, inhabitants of Monte' for
Thursday next, Er the purpose of agreeing to a memorial
to the government in favour of Mean. O'Brian, WMentts,
and the other state prisoner!, is conformity with the metro-
politan memorial.
The correspondent of the Neal Letter says :
The crown have still a large number of witncoes to be
examined. Mr. Whiteside and Mr. Butt will speak for the
prisoner, and witnenes will be examined for rim. The
*elicitor-general will then reply, and Chief Justke Bieck-
borne charge the jury. The trial of Mr. O'Brien lasted
nine days, and that of Mr. Meagher will, I think, have lon-
eluded b-fore the end of the w, oh. Whether the sentences
upon /dr. AI'MktIUS and Mr. O'Doaohue will then follow, or
nth, r per. on, he put upon their trials before this is done, ie
known. I, is romoured hero to-day that C. O. Duffy will
be tried at this commission. One of the judges has been heard
to say that " he think, he will eat his Christmas dinner In

had arms. I law Mr. Meagher in the Curran Club about
the 2nd et June, at a night mettles, in Cap 1-street. The
ronius were densely filled whh in..mbem there were about
100. Mr. Dillon was p,esident; Mr. Mahony. of C:pel-
itreet, visa-rresident. Mr. Meagher was not a samenher of
that club, but was a repated member of the Grattan
Club. Mr. Meagher came to the Corms Club to pre-
sent colour, to them. He did present tho e.sleurn
and said sum thing about totit..aining their colours
and estabLahing the indepeadeoci of their country. On
the 14th of Jo's, I attended a !meting io D'Olier•stre-t ;
it was held in the etuneihroonts of the c mfederation._ Mr.
_ _

Meagher was z.ot precut upon that occasion. Mr. Smith
O'Brien W3l at that meeting. Mr. Dillon might have been
at it, but the meeting was to full :ht. 3ou could bre distin-
guish every one. Mr. Halpin was there, end Ih, tier. a
person named Leary, who came down from the Red Hand
Club. I attended, on the 19th of July, a day meeting of the
repccentanves of elu'xr. Mr. O'liri n was at that meeting.
Mr. Meaglu r was not there, but Mr. Oiler., Mr. M•Gee,
Mr. 011erman, Mr. Brennan, and vend other were. I
attended a similar meeting on the 21st. It wu a night
meeting. Mr. Meagher was present. It was in consequence
of what occurred mock the 19,h that I attembsd the meeting
of the 21st. Mr. Meagher was in the room when Mr. Dillon
moved into the chair. Mr. Didm announced from the

chair that the meetinz wu tor the formation of
cuttve council—it was to be tie cveutive count-
tor the inenseciscut of the clubs. It was state.

that the business would " ooze oat" through so
mac y as twenty one, at d it was considered that it
would bo kept more secret by a council of five.
A letter was handed to the ceairman hy Mr. F. Lalor, in
which the craw s of three catholic sled) u.en were proposed
(Mr. Hughes., Mr. O'Malley and Mr. Kenyon). The letter
MaS 'teem to have been written by Mr. Duffy, in Newgate.
The members tel t that ma it was to ho a war council it wee
not fit that priest. should be on it, and the peopositien was
not seceded to. Mr. O'Brien was not present at that meet.
ling. When we. were gales to the election we waned to
know if we should vote for Mr. O'Bt ten. It was the general
feeling thee he should be elected, but Mr. Wien e,..j,etecl to
it, as Mr. O'B. ien would boot more service eraacising the
country than cos.tined to the c00n.,). Mr. Dation tailed out
the names of the dubs from a book, and the representatives
present answered to the call. No pc rsnn voted except a re-
presentative of a club. I represen:cd the Rid Hand Club.
The clu's were called ever twice. There were several per.
sons be the room they desired should leave. The representa-
tives passed into cnotitcr room with Wieling doors, and when
those whom they did not wish to remain left they returned
to the zoom. They might belong to the Cenfederatien or
the League. Mr. Leyae, for indance, was there. When
they went into tit: Leek aeons, tense ,n the front said they
would net !cave it, and Mr. D..len rare, " I beg you will
re tire, for they (the repreeastetiv,s) are unwilling
to corns oat." Whet the represeuheives of the clubs re.
turned Mr. Woe presented Mr. Lef't'y dicer. We were
then called the second time and eonnted. The election took
piece by ballot. Is was by moans of paper that we ballotted.
live were to be elected. The papers were put into a bat,
end two scrntismers retired into on sdjuinieeg teem to exanine
the papers. I wrote on one myself. It was in the town of
C.rnmel that I fist saw the papers (the billeting papers
were here handed to witness.) There were twenty-nine
persons and the chairman who balletteel (identified the bal.
lotting paps r which he err dr). No. 21 (marked by the
crown solcitor) is mine. Ueeta that emission Mr. &Klee-
mott, lir. James F. Leder Mr. O'Higeins, Mr. Draper, of
I'. uesiastreet, Mr. Hepburn, Mr. Huth gm, of Glasneihr,
Mr. DICI:TT. and Mr. Meagher, b llotted. The parte s an-
nounced to be elected were Mr. .1.1C.11, Mr. Meagher, Mr.
CrOornme, jun., and Mr. M'Gee. There was an equality of
notes for Mr. L lsr and Mr. L.vis ILeill There wes a
new c betion for these two, and Mr. Mein !Lilly was elected
ir.stad of Lier. After the ele.tion Mr. lAtr and Mr.
li'Dernsott wanted those present to give a pledge that they
would expedite the insurrection by the Bth of Aueust. Mr.
Meagher objected to give any pledge of that sort. He otiketed
to pledge hiloalf to the Bth, but tee said oe would do .11 in
his power to expedite it even before the Bth. Mr. Dil.on
gave a similar pledge, and said that, so help him Gou, he
would clo so (ident bed the primmer). Mr. M'Oee said he
would do 41 iu his power by writing, vp.slang, and acting.
Three were to form a quorum. Mr. Lalur at eted that the
council was to .it next day. They were to orange to have
Wes meetings in different parts of It was arranged
that the clubs were to meet in four diffaent places on the
next Sunday, and there were to be no speeches made. The
object of these meetings was to ascertain the numerical
strength of the clubs, as to which there was much difference
of opi.i.n.
The Atiorney.General here proposed to give is evidence
the transactions which took place at the meeting of the 19th,
which induced the witness to attend the meeting of the 21st.
Chief Justice.—We think this evidence ought not to be
admitted.

zun,natien returned. I knew a (r. Nugent, who was
a member of the Red Hand Club ; the wards " Red
Hand Club " were upon the blinds of the club room, tared
letup. . . _

Cross-examined by Mr. Whiteside.--The words I allude
to were wr teen in large letters. Colall not tell the exact
date when th, so words were put upon the b.kds. Wi I swear
they were on it a fortnight before the 21st of July. There
were thirty members in the club when I joined it. It had no
president or vice-president. I knew a Mr. Leary and a Mr.
Simpson, who were members of it. Went to the ctub punc-
tually every night, and noted down everything that occurred
at the me:tines of the club that wa. of a prominent cha-
racter. Will not swear when the Red Hand Club was
formed. Joined it on the 16*.h of June. Was iatroduc d
into the club by a Mr. Hanlon. Allowed Hanlon to think
that I speed in the principles of the mrotb:re. I wan never
called by ony other name than my own at the club. I was
elected a representdire of that club, at which I never spoke.
I cannot exactly say what was the reset period when I was
elected a representative of the Red Hand Club. The witness,
paring looked ever some written notes, said he was elected
upon the 3rd of July. These are my original notes. They
were copied and sent to the goy-lumina ; the person who
copied them was not the p.mon who communicated between
me and the government, but was it person of equal rank.
Mr. Whiteside to WitGESl.—Did you r.ot, when last upon
that table, et the trial of Mr. Smith O'Brien, state, in an-
swer to &question from the Chief Justice, that Mr. Meagher
wan present at the meeting of the 19th ? Witness.—l will
not swear that Mr. Meagher was at that meeting; I do not
believe he was.
To Mr. Whiteside.—Tae council of the Confederation was
not dissolved before the meeting of the 21st July. Was at
meetings of the League. My name was never recorded as a
representative until the 21st July. Mr. J. B. D'ilon knew
me when 1 told them that I was a represenuitive of the Red
Hand Club. As I came down the stairs in goieg away from
the meeting of the 21st, Mr. Meagher met me and shook
hands with me. lie said "Good night" to all who were
leaving the house. At the trial of Mr. O'Brien I told you
that it was 'creamed before they went to the ballot that no
priest should be voted for. I saw that some of the repro-
aentatiees designed to entrap the priests into their councils.
The majority disapproved of voting for the t r irate. Could
not say whether the name of the Rev. Mr. Kenyon appears
eight times in the balloting paper, hut it appears in sow, of
them. Cannot swear that Mr. Dillon voted. Smiled at Mr.
Meagher asking me if he ought to put his name upon the
balloting paper. Ido not know that I stated at the last trial
that I saw Mr. highrmott sign his name, but I did see him
sign. Later and he were both under my eye at the same
time. The meeting lasted till halt-past eleven o'clock. I
had a rough bad pen when I wrote my name. The other
paper you hand me was writte, by me with a steel pen. I
wrote it in the council-room. Mr. Draper saw me write it.
I did not say anythirg aboat Mr. Draper, Mr. Hepburn, or
Mr. Radiates upou the last day. Saw Mr. Lalor cx mining
' the papers, to see if the scrutineers acted fairly. towed' him,
for he appeared dies visaed that he was not himuli elected.
Mr. O'Higgins said that be had real the C:nvention Act,
f and he though: the authorising a member to ga and eve in
the way described was in direct viol. tion of it. Mr. Dillon
did say be would not receive the vote of any second person
of the same club; but he did not any anything about presi-
' dent err secretary. Did not bear any one say he would not
be answerable for a breach of the Convention Act. Mr.

O'Higgins aid he tad been reading the Convention Act, and
that what they were cluing was in vio dims of it. Did not swear
on the last trial that three were to fTM a quorum. Believed
he did not. Mr. Whiteside.—l beliore you commenced your
career in Ballyshannon rites. —How tong were you there ? It
might he a ye ar.—Do you know a gentleman named Cuter, the
proprietor of the Ballysltannon Herald? Yte.—And his
had the good fortune to employ you se clerk to calif et sub-
scriptions ? Yee.—And he lent you • mackintosh ? No,
on my oath.o—Did Mr. Carter follow you alter you left Del.
lyshannon ? No.—Were you acct del having entbi
71. guingeptiout vrc ived from Mr. Carter ? Nu • I tort the
money in Derry, or coon the coact coming up ; I gave Mr.
Carter an sant wkdgment for CA, *urn. He antrwi.rcis
drew a nobs upon me, and the mosey war not
Mr. Carter charge you with eml.aulement ? No. lie
accused me with not having given has the money.—And
you escaped prosecution by giving the note ? No.—Did you
ever personae, any one before ? No, I did not —Did you
ever say you were a elerojmen ? No.—Did you ever *ay
any trick on Mr. Johnson, of Woodland', in the county
Down ? No.—Did you aver my you were a person who
could marry two of Mr. Johnson'' sonanta ? No such
thing —Do you know- Mr. Green, or 3lr. Grier, the tanner o?
Ballyshanuon ? No.—vou are a Protectant by religion ? Yes.
—Did you ever pus yo urself for apemen of another rev-
suasiot ? No.—Du you rnow Dr. Magian ? Yel.— Vilna
your oath did yea sot apply 10 and say you wets a

ofOW—Were you e spy at that time ? No.—Wh;n were
yen a memter ? At the time of the Brunswick Club.—Did
you not propose to introduce a perr n of a difEeent versoa-
elan, acd contrary to rule? No.—Did you art y •ur certifi-
cate ? No.—Ware ycu eapell.d became they thou it you
intended to introiluee a spy ? No; I left it when I left the
locality; there was no seal to the society—it was upon the
benevolent system. (A latuth.) It was broken up because
the 13w was against it : there was no other reason.—Yoa
became a clerk to a watchmaker ? No.—Did y get Into
the Custom-house Docks ? Yet.—Mr. Foster was over yea?
Yes.—Did he Menne. yeit ? I left him to go into the Board of
Werks.—Did ycu not tai him you had taken note s of all that
occurred in the piece. and would lay it before the Lords of
the Trs entry ? There was noth;nte of the sort. Mr. I. ester was
atw-ys very kind to me.—Did you charge the nien with
drialting the wine? I might have don" it ; it vas soy duty
to di? to. I went to the Board Work, from Vat. I we.

emplorel by them in OA: wey.=Yen were engaged in tarry-
ing the chain tar tile t::cer of the survey ?No ; 1 I, od Is. a day
under the Ocilnar.e. Survey; when " ou tho I,roha ion" I did
work with the chide. It is twelve or thirteen yeas ago
since I was employed in that way.—Dl4 you ltt,ow a man
named Gibbous Yes.—l believe you prosecuted him ? I
believe I did r.o such thing. Gib:ions was ear,ted with
heading persore who rried rell2B, and he came sad rlept
with me to cover himself.—W, re yol in the Ly i.ir•in How
pital ? Yes —I want to know if there is any bituVion in
which you bad not been ? I woe there six weeks I charged
61. for my services as registrar. I went to raw for the money
and k was given against me.—Were you not engaged in Hag-
hnd ? Yee, in Nottinghamshire, under the Trigonem,trie,al
Bnrvey.—Were you note 4th Mr. Griffiths, of the Hoard of
Works? I war.—lhel,eyo Mr. G. Midas has a habit - rewriting
his name topaz black ei ers of pa cc, in order that the clerks
might writs en the 6,4,m of the r ffice ? any
person fill up such a paper as on 1 0 D for 661. ? Not daring
my time ; h..t I was examined for Mr. Griffith, u on a trial
in which a parson named Danaher was plaiutiff. Iwu ex-
amined against I) tna...er is Green erect. I left that olflte
in 1640. Danaher cr...feesed that forgery to me. He was
t,i,d and found guilty. I turned attorney's clerk about two
years •iace. My a•alvw as a clerk was 14s. a week. Did not
tell yon at Mr. O'Breen's trial that I had 11. a week trona
Mr. Montgomery, but I said I was worth 601 a-y. sr.
Never exercised Lis bores or dogs. After tr, s: trials see
I over I intend to bullet thr,ugh theworld es well as I C2ll. I
was tor rime time a is c'erk e p>nr•letw nffi^c. nil. there
• •

I wrotg to Mr. Moore, the chief elir.:, (demi, him that

Ime parCes had to.ched a conPriracy to in .1:o "In, and to j
beware of liantlf.

William Fra mar.czer of tTe Provincial Blink of
Lim rick v 33 next e. I up the Mtge. He Froved the
handwriting of Mr. O'Brien to Vie letter written by that
gentleman to the Dirtotnre of the Mining emarny.
Augustus Guy, B.lgar:ntendent r.f the Bubb.. iw lk., en,
~mined by Mr. Lynch.—l was at the house of Hr. Smith
O'Brien'. father, at Old &Jim ial:am in last July, when •

,
search arse snide at his rresises (letter taaile..l wi,ness
was given in tracks.= taxa Mr. Yetgl,ar on ).eterday
evening ) I haat: that :e.t.a in a drawer in a be. room la

that h;aia.

Crors.examined by Mr. Butt.—l found a great inlay nther
letters there Leftides this, but did nnt remove tie 1. 1 can-
not swear witetl.er or not this letter was in au nvdlope
when I I mud it. I caw a rival number of lett, ri in the
.rawer in the vane handwtiting.
Michael Kirwick, exantin^d by the Attorney.Cleueval.-1
am a poliewconstabl) in the Dub lW pollee. Know Constitu-
ticwhill. I know that a club was held there in Jane and
July this ye .r. I was placed on duty Our, to watch its pro-
ceedings. Tt.c maw of the club was theß.d Hand Cl lb.
That name was upou Vac Llindsef the drawing-roma Indoaa.
$lllOll I canto to C!onmei I have menthe witecs. D Ohy... I
frequently saw him going in and oat of that bow e in July.
I also observed a man rained Nugent going into it.
Crossomamined by Mr. Butt—The first even:ng I was
plaeed on duty at Cu stittrim-bill was that of the 28th June.
Tha blinds with the I, rds Red Hand Club on them did not
appear till the let Jule. I saw 1) d.byn going into the club
ten or twelve time, ',After the 10. h June I took C-wn the
names of all who en :Lad the yLeee. I didn't Muse Dobbyn
by tune until I came to Clouted. I kept notes of h s area-
dames 14 soling down hie deszription in sty Leak. 1
knew Nugent by name. I have seen bits fn Clowut 1 since
I came from Habits. . _ . .

Th;nas----Griffa examined.—This witness der, nil to the
finding of the bellottio/ photo, cn the 28th .1 ely Isar, in
the house et Mr. Kenner y. of Bally hane, in the raano whom
ho arrested Mr. James F. Lalor.
James Burgs, examined by Mr. Scott.—l am a solicitor's
clerk. I kt ow Mr. DobLyn, who was exammea here. I
was in Mr. Mentgemers'ioffiee with him. lam requainted
with his bandwritirg. (Balloting papers handod witness.)
The writing nem thin paper is, in my opinion, his hand-
writing. (Identifies Dabbyn.)
Cram-examined by Mr. Butt.—Left Mr. Montgomery's
I employment is August lest. Dobben was there two years
and a unit at the time I left the (.111;e. Ido not think he
was in Dr. Ireland's employment 'n 1817 (Debbyles notes
produced.) Part of this paper is in Dobbyn's hendwriting.
Dobhyn was a clerk to a trustee who was a client of Mr.
Montgomery, his employer.—Who was that trust:. ? Cot
Pheyre.—ls he a nun of hereditary loyalty ? Ido net know.
Mr. Kemmie first ehowed mi. the balloting papers on Satur-
day morning. I keens that Dobbyn was connected eith the
clubs.
bleier Brownrigg examined.—l am deputy-iorptotrr of
omstabulary. 1 remetubar having received pipers from
Constable Griffin on the 29. h July. I gave the bundle to
Mr. Reaington,
Cronexamined.—Took an information from Patrick Sol-
limn. Swore him to it. Inought it was taken in Kg-
mainham gaol.
Mr. Henry Kemmis, crown soli, itor, examined.—The
balloting pupate got into his possession just el tha opening
of the commis:ion.
Cress examined—What was done with them betere they
came into his possession he did not know.
Mark Prouder, examined by Mr. Bausee.—l am c are of the
Dublin police. I k tow Mr. W. S. O'Brien. I saw him in
Trinity-street on the 22nd July. Ile had a travelling bag
with him at the time, and wore a blue cloak.
Cromeexamlned by Mr. Butt.—l was plated on duty at
The Felon office. to watch it on that day.
William O'Hara, examined by Mr. Lynch.—Were not
Mr. Meagher sod Mr. Dlton at ycur house on Saturday,
the 22nd of July? The witcess noweeded to rive • long
explanation, and declared he would not answer the ques-
tions put to him, as they might involve him and othels in a
criminal prosecution.
Chief Justice Dobere.y.—A. plain simple question tins been
put to you, which y .0 hail hotter answer, or you know the
consequences. You have already answered the qu moon on
the trial of Mr. O'llrien.
Mr. O'Hara said he was quite aware of that, but he wished
to explain, aid el, a:red to address to the court any observa-
tions that he might mak., as he might involve himself in a
prosecution; he hi net fear a precaution upon his own ac-
count, but upon the ground of a public right he wished to
object to give his evidence.
Mr. Whiteside.—Wiat Mr. O'Hara wishes to try is, that
he has heard the law laid down in this court to h^, that a
man, though UlleStlitibUS of the treasonable intention of
another ii, if he joie him, equally treasonable with himself,
BP that if a man dine with me I am equally liable to a pro-
secution, if, though I don't know his treasonable intent, I
happen to entertain him. Such a monstrous doctrine was
never before heard in a court of justice.
Chief Justice Blaeliburne.—Your conduct, Mr. O'Hara, is
BO extraordinary, that I feel bound to warn you not to re-
peat it.
The witness then gave his testimony, which merely
amounted to the fact that the primmer and Mr. D lien dined
with him at Killiney on S-turcley evening, the 22cd day of
July.
Cress-examined.—They dined with him in the ordinary
course of their intimacy. There was nothing remarkable in
their dining with him.
Patrick M'Kenna, the mail guard of the coach plying be-
tween Dublin sod Wrxead, depeaed that two getit'euten,
one of whom he believed to be the prisoner, but he mild not
swear it, were passengers on tie ettteh on Saturday, the
22rd July. Tne coach passed thr nigh Ennimorthy.
Francis' Dauleavie examined.—Was in the constabulary.
Was stationed hut July. at Enoiscorthy. On Sunday, the
23rd July, saw the prisoner in Enuiscorthy at l elf peat
eleven o'clock. Saw a Mr. Dillon with him. Mr. O'Brien
introduced Mr. Lleme.er to the people. Witness repeated
the words which be en the trio! of Mr. O'Brien ascribed to
Mr. Meagher as having been delivered by him en the 22nd
of July.
Mr. Butt cross examiced him in order to show that he
could not recollect words of which he had not takes' any
note; and he admitted that he could dot give the war&
used by him (Mr. butt) in putting any of the questions
to him, nor could he remember the inks of his report re.
dative to the meeting whi.h be gave to his officer. He, how-
ever, swore positively to the words which he ascribed to Mr.
Meagher ; be did not give all the words ; he could not give
the precise words. He was certain that Mr. Meagher said,
" I always was and ever will remain the unrelenting enemy
of the British government!" also, that " the beet way to
make amends to the late Mr. O'Connell for the differences
which ho had with him. was to bring the flag of liberty, and
plant it upon his tome'" He was tot able to change the
words from the third to the Suet perm..
Athena, in reply to questions put to him by the solicitor.
immoral, repeated worth which he said had been sp• ken by
, Mr. O'Brien relative to the formation of clubs, his
' happiness at veing so many of the police present, their
benne a fine body of men, all Irishmen, and should be treated
as friends till they preyed themselves to be other wise, &c.
Bead over his report with Constable Dillon.
To Mr. Butt.—The words were not consecutive. Thor*
might have h:en intervening seetences explanatory o- those
which he arid he uttereu. The same observation applied to
the speech of Mr. Meagher.
Christopher D.llon, examined. Was a rub eonstahle
Midi 'end at Baniworthy, on the 23rd of July. Ho gave a
melon of the speech delivered by Mr. Meagher similar to
that which ti e previous witness detailed, in which were the
words "That e. Wexford man always kept a gun in tho
earner, and hi. powder dry, and that if he were us sure of
all Ireland doing their duty es he was of Wexford, he did
not care how e sea the straggle commenced—then Gad pro-
tect the Met! "
Croft-examined by Mr. Whiteside.—By promotion ho