The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-20 00:00:00

THE EXPEMikinTADAY EVE LING, MARCH 20.11849;

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shiliilutit erre then mem Mies 46
ymse (M home them nose stegiments bad amend doss se
/mg es Si resell Oaths regiments la the soarer adenteel
shenhi net be mied es.he Mrsojoit for lawn -tbsal
teap end that =ay reins= to this esontry
lulu at lease five yeous at home. tbeamten
of the mug they bed Melarrived at de
But if the oesillabla mitelimod the sommilies of the Mo.
m :caber Si MesamMemed reduced tbnaissot of the erMS
by 14,009 mes, that 'Felon of relief wadi bo destroyed. Os
mimes. Mmt thes, be raid ihat VIM nom wore sot
tall-i=irtulti he wairaste2 be glades at the dis-
posal of the gemming= for the kWh* at die sonatry, QM
elusive of the huge in MM. Ifs trilled, {heel.-.,•t"'
committee woad oat MO* to the prepeillea el Ms ban.
gentleman, ido Mira WWI to So yob it the olooloor
of men. Now whit Jeeps* to the other =WOW 4EO 7--
for the payment of time men I am! fa Midge at there
and compuing them with theof
votes,
Mt year,
Ibe must beg the committee to bear in mind
*at it wee • gross vote, including the =reprint:Ms in aid
ef last year, and not a net vote exelusivi of these appospria-
dons. The amount of this vote for 1848 9 wee 3471,4221.
ho the year 1849-50 it was 3,669,5881., beim a degrease of
801,8341. Of this 100,0001. was an amount of the East
India Company. The next vote, No. 3, was for the staff.
The gross vote last year was 172,8861. • this year it was
173,3761., being an increase of 4901. Then was an increase as
the staff at home to the imams of 1,6061., and •
domes en the, staff abroad to the amount of 1,1161.
The pees veto hst year on account of the public depart-
ments was 96,50114 for 1849-50 is was 94,1991., betel/a:re;
OrMeollll=. The out vote was that of the
was a self-sappcating institution, and there-
feeCtilleeilmodea to the publics. This year it included an in-
crew of I,IW. ; but it did not come out of the =bile
rammillamm The next vote was that of the Royal Military
the mete last year =Jousted to 19,5591. • this year
itiewn,29lll., being • clemesse of 2611. The 'sit vote was
es omen= el* yeomaary. Last year it was 30,0001; this
yeas only 86,0001. This arose from the feet that the eye-
Ma every giMowelivlkee to have an 'Solent iaspectien of
irsealling don together on permanent duty.
r that he discipline of the yeoseary
was repined upon last year, he thought that it
be t this roar to put it on parade, by white
mem • cueing of 14.0001. would be effected. The mint vete
was he distiaguidted services, in which there was • demo*
of SRL TM ant war the pay of amend "Seers. The
mien= huh= bets Is 1848.9, 76,0001, 65,0001. was the real
(harp for 184..60, bane a decrease of 11,0001. • but there
elms within he vste this year a charge of • rather sitranr-
&nary nature, which hoe. memben would find mislaid la
a note to the estimate. In 1818 the late General Many
was promoted from the rank of lieutenant-general
to the took of major-general. A dispute rime between that
officer and the War-office, as to the amount to which he was
entitled; and in comequencet of that dispute General Mur-
ray refused to draw any pay whatever. Tho amount due up
to 1848 remaining in the Exchequer, after the general's
death his executors put in • claim for payment, and there
was therefore included in the vote a charge en that amount
amounting to 13,9081. He now came to votes 10, 11, and 12,
which embraced the halt par list; vote 10 being the " mnritd
fall pay," vote 11 the " half-pay and military allowances,"
mad vet 12, "the foreign half-pay." The public ought to be
=that this department, which was commonly called
weight of the army, had been most scrupulously
attended to by the successive heads of the War-ofte In
1821 the Assn of the army on full-pay, unattached pay,
retired-pa half-pay, and foreign half-pay, amounted to
17,426 ; In 1849, the number was reduced to 10,614, a
dininatlen of 6,912. The charge for the unattached-
pa
y, la 1822, was 182,0001. ; in 1819 the amount was
only 65,0001 , shawl= a reduction of 117,0001. The
charge for the retired full-pay, in 1822, amounted to
1445,2351. ; it was new 68,0001. The half-pny charge in
1822 was 870,8111. ; it now amounted to 400,0001., showing
• reduction of 470,8111. The charge for the foreign
half-pay was, In 1822, 97,0001. ,• it was now ream= to
30,000 L, • diminution of 67,0001. The whole decrease in
them vets. floor 1821 up to the present period was no his
then 745,0001. a slier proof that this department of the
pubis expesdMaw bid been most narrowly watched by
anseendve goveroseste. The next vote—vote 15—wea for
inipardeosee: the gum mesa of which, having been lest
year AWOL, was now Mood to 3.5,0001. The vote for the
110;rwee last year 1,248,8091., this year it was
mishowhig • deureem of 24,7671. hoduded in this
vote these was mee Mee whisk required upholds& It wee
5401. as the " Isolable charge to be hearted its
of madam in !each." It was the Mimed= eivr,..
=rasa* te modest es "Seer to examine into the state of
the to Ildliellorth America, with a view of
h IWO them a *Car body to that which had been
lbws the ouriensioners in this country. At present
the Nor* Mori.= peanioners were paid through the cow
miseariat ; and it night be that there wen may hefts is
tt:aspayment al ems tiptiethose whisk hod teem
i Sore threesk the et OM Tarmac The
effiese who hod bees molested or Heehaw of the duty
was Capt. Tamil, who was well acquainted with everything
relating to the =sena pensioners. The only reunialog
vote was for the tion allowswses, in which *we
was a decrease of VOL The entire demean in respect MO'
non-effective anise was 48,0291.; sod if that were added to
the 330,6961.. old* was the amour el Meruw in the GSM
tire senile% the Meal berme in the gross charge for this
year, am eempered wlinhat of last year was 378,6241. Such
was re papeed ed the gmoraniest ,Stir the pro* yea&
But, theta, ii might he mid tkat the 'halal' it this yew
freight to ham hem regulated by the standard of 1836. He
wee glad te SA list me be as the number of men was con-
cerned, ems the hem member he Montrose propose& to
diminish, net stedikoly, lent gradually—(" bear hear, " hem
Hr. Hume). Last _ per he went into a comparison a the
difference between' 1881 sad 1848 ; he would now venter*
up= a similar moped* se between 183.; and 1849, and he
hayed to show that he the maintenance of the army the ad
dition whisk had bus meads to the burden of taxation was,
in het, very math In 1835 the grew charge in the army
estimates wasail;111.1: for 1849-50 it was 6,142,2111., Me
is** sit 186,0001. Bat since 1835 many all
ditieml dime bad placed on the army estimates with
the ossioreasse of and after mature deliberation by the
house; end he would almost itahrtake to show that
if the alibis= had set boon mad& if, for Mews&
60,0001. a yea bad net bees grated as poundage on per
lens, if the had bees se charges for military phone, is
esnesquenes of imprisionsent being substituted in imp
losses fee ecepowal panishmeat, for the education of the ma,
for libraries, and for other ineements, the estimates of
1835 would have been oven higher them those of 1849.
(Hear, hear.) The Moreau bees rowed by an eadea-
riser to keep the effective service in the highest state of
efficiency • while cure had bees taken that the ram-effective
service sho'xild he kept as low es was soosistent with the
chime of justice. He admitted that since 1836, ala .ru
addition had been made to the staff of the army ; that if the
=proportion of Often to men was not maiateined, the
of military power would be lost. Amongst the ad-
ditions made since 1835, were an increase of pay to the adju-
tants, on the reommandation of the military and naval
commission of 1840 ; an allowance of 4,0001. this year for
married soldiers, who were formerly in the habit of sleeping
in the barracks with single men, but who now, the number
being limited of comes by the army regulations, were al-
lowed to have lodgings away from the barracks ; 38,0001.
too otalloo7...znim intended to obviate the nee=
dip Ow guilty of military offenses
to hied with sem* hlons ; 3,0001. for spirituel
eminewes Is isms catholic. ; 2,6001. for regimental
laskleialsalks I sad kW for grataitits for good conduct.
Theseseunt of ths additions made noes 1836 was
=; mod if he west fully Into the comparison, he
IMIr *at the goiorment were maintain a larger
1 des new this in 18111, with • very small comparative "M-
Idea le the buries ellantion. He would now allude to the
fir=email= of the army at home and in the colonies.
is bis Mod a paper drawn up by Capt. Tellooh,
dhowbg the aware mortality per thousand of the troops
ellefin all situations. At home the average mortality
enies yeses previous to 1836, and of ten years from
ISM to 1846, was as follows :—ln the household cavalry, in
lb; 7 years peeseding 1836, the mortality was 14 sad
S-10the pa thousand ; in the 10 years from 1836 to 1846
It was 11 ate-tenth, showing a reduction of 3 four-tenths par
theseseut Is the Dragoon Guards the reduction of the
meetelity is the second period, es compared with the first,
was 1 eseaisth per thousand; in the Foot Guard*, 1 cue-
SU ;, in the regiments of the line, not quite 1 per coat,
It was, however, of more importance, perhaps, to ascertain
the ssairamamadition of the troops abroad. (Hoer. boos.)
Oa that est sot he was happy to my he had full information.
Ia • of twenty years—from 1816 to 1838—the mar-
taw a Jemmies was 120 sew per thousand. During
MS and 1846 varions changes were introduced in the
Wes{ Indies with ralmenes to the soldiers; including the
[ slallies of the salt dist, and the improvement of the diet
geseselb, and the neseral of the barracks from the vicinity
et the sea to higher mad healthier situations. By such meows
as seensese impremetest was effected, mere particularly la
Jemmies, where the mortality was reduced from 121 deaths
pm theresmi to 66, a diminution of 65 per thousand. In
Ile Wlsilweed and the Leeward Islands, there was • de-
mean et 9 B.lothe par thousand ; in Gibraltar, 21. In
Malls there was very little change, about 11-10th. In the
lambs Islands the decrease was 9 7-10ths ; in Nova Scotia
and New Brunswick, 17-laths ; in Canada, 3 5-10ths ;
in Ett. Hakim, 18 8-10tha ; in the Mauritho
lit
3 ; in ten,
214-1 W New South In N South Wales and Van Diem '
1; wilift Is Me Caps of Chad Hope the mnrtalityl:ad us-
impeas mey little charge. This improvement, whisk lad
Imo awed at very little expense, elderly through mead
hem the rbleity of the ma shore and =proven.* in the
Mk= or the soldiers. could sot, he thought, hilattit:
=iustiftelleo. (Hear, hear.) Had deaths taken
nn to 1249 la the same peepordes as dig
deb, the mop would within -the period lave her I.;
2 lA*
_men, instead of 1,080 ; so that them had bets
is that Mani a sesiudef MO lives. Is the WWl-
ward and Leeward the mein within the
ems period had be OS lives ,• fa Gibraltar, 364' is
Noltehe 4 *it the lodes We. He would sot Wary
*a by wig the whole eateesey ; he
atuuli ammo -thei hiliM maretelity gess ca lo the
Mesh3lll MIS* as it dii hem NM to ink Ms
hine esseelod by SAO the meted mortality.
Mash ham!) Tbm akallelless et ems had been saved
MOS raft bit Mil te the ealamitoes yid-
tallia Ml* °l=
Porelfaram bad seen fit to
sillekffity beep la Huh/Mess baby the past year. A
setae hog promised.) hod given =dew that on
M eddeltV= move far emtain lour= Nw, if the
sailed! ponilliii In his seeds, he *mid net oiled to
give Memo of "Me =eft* is tank and die of the monies
oimpaides MI die 79nd ant Nith Renhesno whoa=
arrived he arehaiese and of the amber et deaths
had near= in eadi ; but, hp hie own pert, what bt deeply

gretentadist bothmipmeth in
.these t
dumtao gine:4r, be
'peek& A. regu what trilyarithis lotd• frogfthergregi-
the
menet hM swarth bola Mau *Ratite' in dithrent parts
mf the meld, sad whilst they oontimed to send their mi-
nute to the Was Win, those rrnimeots would be odds&
to visitathruLlimiler Se these 'whia bad dented thou who
Avery possible mean had been adopted
Clcrgdsr.d the West bedis station as bealthy as possible; the
satsuma wide he had just made showed with what ene-
emu& Ads bei boss attended. It had been stated that
the MOWN' Is goselita had been peculiarly severe, owiag
to the position of the St. Aatt's Barrack in Which the tr
were gainers& To show, however, that the position wet
sot in ordinary times aa unhealthy ern he amongve
that he had asoutained that the surlalityst the
troop In 1843 was 26 per cent. ; in 1844, 26 per cent,- it
Leto, 3 per coat. ; in 1846, 2 per cont. ; while in 1847.48,1
when the fever begaa it was 7 per mt. The governess..
bed Issued a circular later to all the officers col.- -
**West 'sat; WRitroall 41.' V report rain-7tesnlyaillas iPo
what sanitary predations shoji be taken to preartee
of the mom in the different islands. to Barbados*
there was no emMthee to be obtained higher than 1,000
feet, and barracks at that elevation would not, in the
opiates of medical men, remove the troops above
what wee called the deeding surface of the fever.
In Antigua' and Barbados. the highest accessible ground
had beat oblmined. It had been "eked whether any case of
fever had 'centred in the 72nd Regiment prior to the 66th
tzersenzed in
use theeinngeighbourrodh; the inference en-
title thrsametenes that the 72nd hatltn:nt aitttwacaficedrilgowil
that raised a question will* was yet disputed amongst me-
dical men—namely, whether this fever were epidemic or not.
On that point he would observe, that the 88th Regiment
having bun attacked in St. Ann's barracks with the yellow
fever, it was afterwards encamped on the same ground as
the 80th allselied, sad amongst the 7th lonsillos, in the
Menthe at the sense time, no case of beer occurred. As re-
garded the expenses of officers fir medloel attendance,
any little mains, incurred on going under canvas was
provided fee by the ordinary field allowance. He had aeon-
Mined that the number of medical officers available for duty
in 1848 was as follows : in Jas., 11 ; in Feb., 11 ; in March,
12; in Aril, 12; in May, 12; in June, 9; in July, 9; in
Aug.. 9; in Se t., 9 ; in Oct., 10; in Nov., 12; and in Dec.,
9. The moral elbow had power to send for u many more
u he theesed, bat ma aims radical officers must have been
sallisithe he about 1,300 new. It had been said that GPM
Barak, did net amonsp the men because be
had aft :the nesessury powers for that purpose.
Oa • report being made by the medical men
as to the necessity of encampment General Barclay
would have immediately ordered that it should take place ;
sad he would here remark that he had been informed that
the general himself daily visited the men in their warde,
going from bed to bed, and exposing himself to danger while
encouraging thou who were labouring under an attack of
lever. Something had been said se to the desirableness of
removing the regiments attached. He thought it would
have been very bad polity to remove these regiments and
substitate for them ethers. It appeared from an account
which extended up to the 9th of February that there were
at that time only two cues remaining in the hospital.
The next point he had to touch on related to the general
condo& of the army daring the pal year, and there was, he
felt oureale, no part of the history of` the army in which the
ham would take more interest in than that which related
to the moral conduct of the men. Indeed, after ell that the
legislature had done for the army. the house had a right to
expect that this body of men would exhibit, upon the whole,
a satisfactory result in pint of behaviour and''
morals. He had not been able to collect informa-
-1 don from every station where troops were quartered, but
he was about to show what the results of four months were,
and he would take the months of June, July, August, and
September, in the last year, for that purpose, and state what
had been the conduct of the army that was stationed in Ire-
land; when the troops were urged to great hardships and
privations from being crowded to barracks and living under
camas which might have been expected to have given rise
to great discontent and consequent misconduct. The num-
ber of Mope in Ireland in 1848 was 28,324. In the month
of June . the proportion of corporal punishments
was 1 in 3,149. In July, 1 in 3,106. In August, 1 in 3,099 ;
and in September, when the number of troops was increased
to 31,343 men, the proportion of corporal punishments was
1 in 2,406. These facts were calculated to prove that the
good conduct of the army depended upon the care that was
taken in providing the men with means for improving their
and with healthful recreation ; and the house would
wry *ay feel proud in having by its, well timed maid-
ISM isstributed to the excellent training of this line body
of sum He would add to the statements he had abeady
meth, the fact that there had been confined in primp daring
the pert year an avenge number of 784 men, end that
the cost of their keep whilst there, 14,8011., had
been repaid by stoppage' out of their pay. The
Migrof serious offences that had been committed
aajwilged of by the fact, that 21 caste of solitary con-
flooment mil of corporal punishments were registered as bar-
N 6 oLeneted, of which 13 were for the aggravated offence of
ths governors of prisons and their own cffices.
fiteele, however, offered a satisfactory proof that the
starts math by the house to improve the moral condition of
the army had been amply rewarded With respect to the
measures taken for providing for the education of the officers
tai men, he was happy to say that the time had arrived at
whisk having trained schoolmasters for the purpose, six of
the persons so trained had been sent to take charge of gar-
rison schools. He hoped the system of training teachers
would ultimately extend itself to the whole army, so that
whim • corps marched from one garrison or barracks to
.serer, it would only prove to be a change of scene and
sot a 'image in the system of teaching, which would be
epos one uniform plan. He had now gone through
all the topics which the estimates presented, but
there was one other task which he hod prescribed to him-
self, namely, to refute the finest, and stardoms
made against the officers of the army by • ret of individuals
who styled themselves the Liverpool Financial Reform Asso-
ciation. (" Hear," and • laugh.) None of the offieers in
the army had the slightest objection to the most rigid scru-
tiny being Instituted into their emoluments. The system of
paying officers and of making up their allowances was quite
beside the question, for the government was responsible for
that ,• nor would the expenditure be objected to if fairly
seratiaised. But as the pamphlets of the Liverpool
leiseasial Reform Association were neither fair nor
just, and as they tended to infint infinite in,
rely not only on the army, but also on other
aselise, be felt bound to say • few words on the subject. '
The menneittems had attacked chiefly the 'Mem of clothing
the army. Surely that might have been done without im-
puting unworthy motives to the officers (Hear.) The
system had ben is operation upwards of 140 years, but if
it was liable to unsure, that might be done without charging
the colonels and quarter-matters of regiments with la, mg
their heads together to change the patterns of regimental
mesmerise in order that their profits might be enhanced
by throwing aside half-worn things. Centeeitsses had
bombed into this subject. There was one in 1716
—ethers in 1798, 1808, and so late as 1833, when
a esemittse of the house Game to the unanimous resolution
that the mama system of clothing the army wes more ern-
amiss' gad better gouda than any other, and therefore
that it ought met to be shoosed. It was hard therefore to
charge ea the &thing mismels the responsibility of • system
width had stood** mutiny of four successive committees
with complete messes. Bat he was sorry to observe that the
Liverpool financial ,;Mares committee did not confine them-
selves to the 'MOM of their inquiries. The whole tone of
their paidlossisms was calculated to lower the odi-
ous ia the Mimetic& of the soldiery. (Hsu,
hear.) The army was said by the writers to
be kept up for the purpose of providing for the younger sone
of the aristocracy. Such publications were dangerous in the
extreme to the constitatioa of the army, and to the existence
of good order In the country in general ; ter if by say un-
foreseen accident the soldier should lose confident* in the
officer who commands hies—if he relaxes in his observance
of discipline, then be had no hadtatien in wily that the
army. would be little better than an armed rabble, and
the sooner it was got rid of the better. But
who would be the first to suffer under such cir-
cumstances ? Not the officers nor the landed gen-
try. Bat the inhabitants of cides and town where, in-
stead of having a well-conducted and orderly soldiery, there
would be found an undisciplined and ungovernable body of
men, trained to arms and ready for the commimisa of emu
sum. (Hear, hear.) He had made these ethervatime en
no hostile spirit to any inquiry into the whole gassoiss of
army expenditure, but, on the contrary, with every diesel.
Ma to go into the subject with these who wished to
ermine Into the army expenditure. The Liverpool
Pimmulel Reform Association ought, however, to un-
due their inquiries with same reference to thi feelinp
c 4 athszeaid above all they ought to bear in mind that the
pub., depended upon maintaining that respect to the
of an that discipline amongst the soldiery without
whisk the army would be a disgrace to the country instead
of being an honour to itself and a terror to its foes. (Hear,
hear.) He begged to move that 103,264 men be voted for
the service of the army during the ensuing year.
The Commute having put the quake,
Vise. DRUBILLNRIG Gagged to ask the right hoe. gen-
tleman whether he had any action to lay on the tables of
the house • copy of the letter surgeon Simpson, of the 66th
regiment, which in begin* • protest against** treatment of
the troops and the officers at Barbados* during the time the
yellow raged there.
Mr. HUMS said that the statement of his right hon.
friend was satisfactory to the hone. in all that regarded the
amulet of the army, and the happy results that had
attended the abolition of the brutal system formerly
prevalent in therm ay. He had always maintained that
if the "oldie( was better treated be would become a
better member of 'eddy, and the result had proved
the truth of ids pralithen. It was • great satiebetion to him
to have miebi fo othellag this great purpose. He had
sever made light of the services of soldiers and sailors ; nor
had he ever isles' he the outcry against the standing army.
He did most dm,* cmgratulate the hoots on the alma-
ties of in the army—and on that ground he ma.
owned entirely fa the views up:earned by his right hem
Mead. The country owed mach to the soldiery ; and he, as
the must my that he wee pleased to find that the
endure= of the house to eve the treatment
of the men bed bun imemoMlA tamilmled
W
of his honourable althorn Mende there who
bad osaildently asserted that the diefigline el the army
amid sot be maiatained without having memo to severity.
He wee glad that time bad dispelled their deinsicms, and
that kis right hon. friend led suirmed hid testim■
Osgood effects resulting from Oh fmpmlaai ;tangs Hi
L amt. however, insist epee the meelmes et
the healthy sad hemostat remea of theman when not
'en daty, for if those were neglected they would mints other
memo ter dimipatiog their spars hoar". He had formerly
propmed books and lnatruetior, but be had been solemnly
moth.f the danger of instructing the soldiery. $e never

had entertained but one opinion on this subject, namely,
that instruction was alike valuable for black and white, &r
soldier and civilian, for rich and poor, and on that ground
he had rather have an educated army than a soldiery such
as the troops in some of the foreign states, who were only
governed by the moat brutal principles: He hoped the
system would be continued fa the British army; be
should never grudge the tr:iiing expense which
it necessitated, and which wee more than repaid by the re-
sults. His right boa. friend had made some observations on
the Liverpool Financial Reform AssociatiOn. He was not a
member of that body. (Hear.) If he had been *resident
there he would have bsth, but he bad laid it down as a rule
not to go beyond his own legitimato limits, within which he
was ready to join any amociation for the good of the people.
("Hem, and a laugh.) His right hon. friend slght very
advantapouly have left out of his speech all his allu•
dons to the Llverpo"l Financial Reform Association.
That association had done great god. They had opened
eyes of the country to theeenormity of the establiph:
mints of the constr., He badoften heard it
the man who made two blades of gram grow ;Cm one
only are+ before, was a benefactor to hie country' end
upon Wit principle if the Liverpool Association could make
a Ave pound note go as far as a ten-pound note, they would
merit the thanks and gratitude of the country. (Hear )
But what was the charge against the Liverpool Financial
Reform Association ? Why, that they had charged the
colonels of the army with being tailors. . .

Mr. F. MAULI—I said the charge was that the colonels
had combined with qautermeatette in order to compel the
men to change army necessaries half worn oat for new regu-
lation nuessariet.
Mr. HII2dR admitted that if this charge had been made it
was a great mistake and an injustice. (Hear, hear.) He
ought to know something about the clothing of the army, for
it was in 1833 that he moved the appointment of
the committee on the whole subject of army clothing.
Sir Henry Parnell wu opposed to that system, but
all the evidence given in the committee was against
him, and accordingly the resolution referred to by the right
hon. gentlemen was unanimously agreed to; the reason
why there was no division on this, or indeed on any other
resolution in the committee was, that the officers examined
were all of them so desirous to state what they knew, and
also so anxious to put an end to militny and naval sinecures,
and In general showed so good a disposition, as to render him-
sell and Sir H. Parnell unwilling to disturb the unanimity
of the proceedings. Still he maintained the opinion that the
present system of clothing was unfair to the otrele, and that
it placed them in an anomalous and invidious position before
the country. But so fez from the publications of the Liver-
pool Financial Reform Autociatien doing harm, they would'
effect good, provided they only stuck to the truth. ("Hear,"
and a laugh.) The slat...men% referred to by his right hon.
friend was an accidental error, originating in the system of
clothing, which it very properly censured. He was not,
however, disposed to quarrel with so useful and honest a
body of men as the Liverpool Financial Reform Association
for a mere error. With respect to his right hon. friend's
statement respecting the health of the army, it was to be
hoped that some statistical tables on this subject
would be prepared for parliament, as they would be highly
valuable. He used to be laughed at when he fonnerly
asked for such documents, but Lard Hardinge and other
officers had subsequently admitted the full importance et the
question, and that was ample satisfaction to him. His right
hoc. friend had been very candid in his statement of the rea-
son why so large a force as 103,254 men was required. He
(Mr. Hume) had often alleged the same resew" but their
truth had always heretofore been denied. His right hon.
friend stated that there were four reasons for maintaining
the force at 103,254 men. The first was the state of foreign
affairs.

Mr. F. MAULE—I said the aspect of affairs abroad.

Mr. HUME—Foreign and abroad were the lame thing—
at least he used the word in that sense. England had suf-
fered already more than could be described by her inter-
meddling in foreign affairs. If there was any declaration
that gave the people more artisfaction than they would have
felt front another it was in 1830, when Earl Grey de-
clared that the basis of his administration would be
the non-interference principle. He could trace the origin
of six hundred and eighty millions of debt to the
meddling in foreign affairs since 1792. That meddling had
saddled the country with a perpetual annuity of 19,000,0001.
So that the principle of 1830 was a good one ; but it had
been forgotten. A gnat portion of the naval and military
expenditure of late years had been caused by intervention.
His hon. friend, the member for the West Riding, had gone
into the facts, into which he would not follow him. But, if
foreign interferede were let alone, millions would be raved.
He recollected Mr. Canning sayiog, when he sent
5,000 troops to Portugal, that he would not have done so
had he not had a good battle-holder, evening thereby that
them troops were not wanted in England, where neverthe-
less they were maintained as a surplus force. He objected
to a surplus force. There was no object in maintaining such
a force ; and the mere fact that there was a spare body of
I troops which might be detached and sent away without im-
pairiag the defences of the kingdom, was often a stimulus
and an incentive to intervention. The second reason for
maintaining the number of men was, because the colonist
wanted troops to protect them. Lit the colonies pro-
vide for their own protection. Where was the country
in Europe which could afford, mach lees dare to atteek
any of the British colonies and if ea where the necessity of
=up bodies &troops there? The Canaan had now me
governments, so had essay other colonies where
large regiments were stationed. If be bad the power be
would withdraw every soldier from the colonies, save theme
brialag the body gaud of the governor, who, as the Tema
sedative of royalty was enti•led to that mark of reaped By
them seerns a million of money would be saved. The re-
serve which was maintained for the change of boors
in the colonies was far too great. Supposing they
required 40,000 men, who were relieved every ten years
in rotation, a reserve of 4,000 men would suffice to effect
this. He, therefore, objected to the number et troops re-
quired for the aloud. I. The next item in the list of his right
he.. friend was the quota of troops necessary for the home
service. He must confess that he had always entertained a
belief that there was a meted proportion of the whole force
which was expressly maintained for the purpose assigned to
It by his right hon. friend, but it had always heretofore been
denied that any such intention or purpose existed.
His right hon. blend's honesty and candour had however,
awed him from any trouble in again arguing this point, imd
boniest ask the house whether it was not a very serious
matter when they cams to reflect that there were 20.000
masa employed in the home service more than there had been
in the years 1835-6. And this solely to preserve the peace
beans. He would go as far as any body to maintain the
woe of the community, but the real question woe, " what
b it that renders the people of England discontented?"
What was it that rendered a home army necessary
le keep them in submission ? He had always
bulked upon Lighted as governed by a civil govern-
ment. Indeed, it was the boost of Queen Elizabeth, when
inked where were her guards, that an her subjects were her
maidss . It was for the government to consider whether the
Crwere to be ruled by their allegiance, and their love
Itbeir sovereign and constitution, or by the bayonet.
The people looked to the civil power, but he was sorry to
my that the magistracy were too ready to have immediate
resort to the military on occasions of public disturbance/.
He would admit that there were many very good men
but there were also amongst them many very excellent old
women • and be too often found that if even a eat stirred and
disturbed& heap of straw, troops were immediately sent for
by the magistrates to dispel the phantoms they had conjured
up. He hoped the government would discountenance such
applications by refusing to secede to the request of those who
Made them. The discontent et the people caused these mani-
festations, and they would only be satisfied with reform
in their representation, and reduction in the expen-
diture. The tuning made by the oedemas* of the
number of arms furnished by that department gave the fol-
lowing remits. There were 185,000 men under arms in the
realm, not including the yeomanry. In addition to these
there were ,11 000 Irish police, 12,000 English metropolitan
and provincial police. making the whole number of men em-
ployed is the land service (for he excluded the navy in this
colculation) to be 200,000. In bringing forward his amend-
ment he was quite aware he might be accused
of a desire to reduce the number of men too
mach, and for that reason he would state the grounds
upon which his amendment was based. It might be said
that a reduction of 14,000 men wee too great, but it was only
en approximation to the number of men employed in 1836 6.
In the three years comprised within 1833 and 1836, the
average number of men was 86,547. In the three years
comprised within 1845 and 1848, the average number of men
was 106,672. He wanted to go back to the avenge of 1838.
The artillery, also, had increased since the pesos. There were 9
battalions of artillery at the close of the war in 1815. There were
12 battalions now after thirtg.tens 7ossepeane. He thought
that he had made out a case for the amendment he had to
pr me, and all he could say was, that if the house went
with him in his motion, the effect would be to reduce the ex-
pmditure of the country by 94 millions, perhaps
114 millions; and he would promise hon. members
=tthat if they joined hint hq would soon
it the duties on malt, hope, bricks, soap,
windows, and paper. What more could be promise ?
Many of the prophecies which he had made had been
sown, fulfilled ; and he called upon the house to give him
a hub trust for the future. Grant this reduction of the
kale, and there would immediately be a reduction of the
amstent of taxation, and with that reduction of taxation the
of the country would be improved, and we should
butter prepared for war. Next year he would come down
Mame reductions. (A laugh.) If he could only get a
Association in every town in the country re , the
be hope; he was beginning to be a little sau-
rian*, and, thereon %he now moved to reduce the whole
Umber of men by 14,254.
Mr. DRUMMOND certainly thought there was an
bemmeity of extravagance in all them matters, but
Jowled whether it was possible to go back to a
Add ch.fiediThte more the manufacturing petrels-
Ed the more must the mltery "force
le laideard. e magistrates on the one hand called
meat sesethap of the enlightened constituency, and on the
ether bend Ter, wisely called out the troops. Jest in the
proportion se thew merchants and manufacturers were
cowards at one moment, io they were bullies at another.
They were the very people who led the country into war.
Let them make what apologies they pleased before they
came to the ground, bet when they were on the
ground, let them stand to it. Do not enter into these
quarrels, or do net grudge the expense. It was said
that civilians were the beet judges how to defend a country;
that it was for the tax payer, not the military man, to decide
what wea the proportion of men necessary for the ahem
of the °matey ; but be said that they were not competed
judges of that ; that it was a matter of which they were es-
sendelly ignorant, and the house must put their confided,
L peewees who must et necessity be better informed then
hoe. gentlemen on the other side. The right hon. gentle-
man the First Lord of the Admiralty bad truly said that the
Mid for preferring a certain number of sailors and soldiers

now, was not with reference to 1835, but with
he general state of Butepe. That was the only rtirt_
statesmen and of common sense, and.of all the
the
world, these Manchester gentlemen had rift the
satisfactory proof of their incompetency to loin ea 72
He believed that there was not a more upright man tea
hon. member for the 'West Riding, but he was utterl 4kb
pisteeegep y
of forming an opinion of the genera
reps—of the general state of every continental nation. 1,
ma was so prominent in his prophecies, or m refuted
events. He had said that the French were not deuse,37'
we:4
°bunt
thissit washeio.vwidhiencth ththaetythave :mead ealoewhetla
with the greatest delight was a period ofdes2
Mr. M. GIBBON said that the hone had been tail •
year that it was impossible to spare a man from the mat
force; but his hon. friend, the member for the West
had predicted that on ban investigation tarn
could be spar" thi tie prej...ct of the governnot
tnat nts hon. friend's prediction was a right one. Haim
, friend went farther, and said that then wadi bs u 6;
reductions in the military and naval establishment. 16
hon. gentleman who spoke last had told the kuu
that persons in the naval and military envies au
the only pawns competent to form an episios
the force of the country. If be wanted to noel b.:
a regiment was to be used when brought into ths rti
et how a ship was to be beaten off a lee shore or nowt
the enemy, then he would apply to a protessiocal
be did not apply to a profeesional mtn to He
wherit
for the safety of the country. He regesaut ut.
P tart'°":7naval men as public servants, and they were nu
be the only parties consulted as to bow many of Uinta,
eablishmenta the safety of the country required. One el iu
diMealties of the executive government was to senor
appeals of these profeasinal persons; and if it were en
what the hon. member called the Hu
ealtool, but which he (Mr. Gibson) called as
rising sense of the country, it would be isoo
br the executive to resist the appeak
departments. They must take care they did not any ask
expenses one farthing beyond what the real necessities
the ono try required. He should support the mike e(
jet
hoe. member for Montrose, mainly en this ground, tie
thought no answer bad been given as to the neeilft
tl
maintidnies so large a mili•ary force is the colonies. b,
highest authorities had stated that the dune, of oldies
the colonies were reduced to those of mere pallcemeq, y
the colonies could find their own pollee. He cried
committees had been empowered to Inquire into the quoin
of force, that they might be able to report to the house ma
Intelligible reason for the amount of force that rie
kept up.

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Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that, by acceding to the jut
demands of Canada, half the force had been ?Quid, at
the same might be done in Ireland, where 16,000 or NA
out of 26,000 men might be reduced.
Mr. WOOD referred to a petition which he bad pratttttd
on the subject that the militia staff of the country Woo,
made available for the purpose of meanie; ma
army, and that the recruits might be kriA
into a special corps, similar to those of pg.
sionars. Notwithstanding what had been said by th
hon. member for West Surrey, that government Institut
judge in these matters, he was inclined to think that rum
meat were right when they threw the responsibility ag tk
house. He regretted that the hon. member for West
had adverted is the probability of French invasion as mai
as he regretted his allusion to the Manchestersebool.
there was anything more distressing than matte,
was the attempt to divide the people of the may
into classes. His belief wu that no country ealdpria
which had not a landed and commercial population sob
union and harmony with each other. As to military me*
an important fact had been communicated to bin brt
French gentleman holding a dirlomatic situation itki
country—vie., that during the reign of Louis Philippe a,
price of a substitute for the conscription had doubled. Ws
that any proof of a warlike disposition ? Did it not tie
that we had gone too far in regarding the French wee
natural enemies ? It had been well said by the cstboktmt
of England:

Never may ill office or fell jealoory
Thrust in between the faction of thew kingdom,
Make a divorce of their incorporate learns ;
Vat English may as French, French Enelklissem
Receive each other, God speak this, amen.
Mr. V. SMITH observed that government eldi
wish the estimates to be argued is the ban et
else they would have no answer to give
who desired an increase of the leftism,. Ib
question of the colonial force stood on a daunt belfq,
He did not wish to re-open the question of frecteshas
this much he would say, that having adopted it venue..
a necessary consequence, alter our colonial data la
system bad been eatablished on the principle of whim
markets, and now that exclusive markets wen Ong
there could be no motive for extending our oolodelmim
(Hear, hear.) To Canada we had given self ginname,
and yet we still maintained as large a btu ties
as in any former year. They must look et dr oh
mate separation of that colony as a probsib wig
and should so arrange matters as, that semi hit
it would, the separation should be effected k •
amicable manner. (Hear, hear.) That being the w
all that was now done in the way of military
was merely waste and extravagance. (Hear, bee=
the Canadians become discontented with our ash, see
ministers prepared to ask the people of this swersek
means to put down the insurrection ? If they wee,hla
Bored that the people of England would Maw the uses
(Hear, heir) There were then only two ems LOWEY
the sending of troops to the colonies was abselatalysomelln
In infant colonies, troops might be required to pesisdes
settlers from the aborigines, but that necessity woe4sdi
as the immigrant population became more dose, Web
we sent convicts to colonies troops wadi be weimmylso
strain them. But he would entreat government tepee
before they determined upon sending convicts to ow WWI
(Hear, hear.) It was a great object to encourage 00
Lion, but depend upon it emigrants would not go te piss
where they would be mixed up with a population ofungli
(Hear, hear.) He regretted the ignorance that
prevailed upon colonial minute. (Hew, bow l.) Int
been for that ignorance his right hon. friend wall nellm
come down last year and asked 1,100,0001. for &wealth
nobody knew anything. (Hear, hear.) He believed le
when the papers referring to that war were prodeng
would be found that a more lavish system of Mao
cure had never been carried on. (Hear, hew) fel
what had we gained by that war ? A wider WI
and the district of Natal, which Sir P. Maitland, h
Grey, and Sir Henry Pottinger bad successively proud
to be one most difficult of retention. Then, we lad oohed
Latium, because Sir James Brooke bad written a *ln
book of travels respecting it, and 12,0001. had been Mts.
for it last year almost unobserved. But that would not k
the last vote. (Hear, hear.) They would soon hear alit
attempt to take possession of Borneo, and, of coos, fa
creased demands would be the consequence. They shell
either allow the colonies to regulate their owe affairs, aro
that house should adopt a more rigorous mannikin. lb
should not further trouble the house, as he had merely Tim
to give his opinion as to the only effectual way in whin sY
army estimates could be reduced.
Mr. RICE concurred in thinking it advisable that do
colonies should be made to maintain themselves ; bat Ur
capability should be first ascertained. He was an sinus
for reduction in the estimates, but thought that to take of
10,000 men in the army, and 6,000 in the navy, was used
as could be expected hem government in the pretest plo
tore of affairs.
Capt. BOLDERO thought that the only way in Min
troops could be spared from colonial semi's, was by sfoft
lag • better system of colonial government. (Hear, kn.)
MI there were military stations, such as Malts and Oirst
tar, which must be kept garrisoned, and something met
h
allowed for reliefs. He knew one regiment which had boa
23 years in India, 9 in the Mauritius, 13 in the Cape,
only 9 in England and was now going out again to roil
16 years. He could not consent so to reduce the 'my
to make the reform of such a system impossible.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH wished to state briefly hi!fik
sons for the vote he was about to give. His hon. frWe, lt
member for Montrose, proposed to make a warded
14,000 men in the force of the army, exclusive of that n
India, and to return to the establishment of 1835. Coo,
this reduction be made without detriment to the internal
the empire ? Was the number of soldiers escessire thir
at home or abroad ? At home the military fore sue
to about 61,000 men, or about 11,600 men more than is leu
Was this force too great When he remembered theret_,
of lest year in Ireland—when ha coneidared that telling!.
reinforcements must be provided for 28,000 British none!
India, and that the places of those brave soldiers net;
filled up who were led on to unnecessary slaughter hi
and incompetent generals—when he considered et
reliefs were likewise to be provided for 33,9!,
British troops in the colonies—that the Berne"
those troops were of the most arduous and du
kind—for instance, bush-fighting and driving cattle at tk
ce ~
Cape—guarding convicts in Australia—and comhstiog
savages in New Zealand—when he considered that Ern
those troops were stationed amidst the snows of Curio
others broiling in the tropics—he acknowledged it yreehl_
cruel and unjust to compel them to pass the greats
of their Allies in such inglorious services. filee'•/,
therefore could not at present vete for any
fete of the army at home which 'would lead to
Goa of the period of military service in the admit& 'r
should, however, vote for a reduction of the Iltilitenzff°""
the colonies, on the grounds that if the colonies were ~
governed half the present military force in them
_,;
✓afficiert. At present the force in the colonies cooorr..,
about 32,000 British troomend 10,000 men of coloured or
I masking in all 42,0010 men (exclusive of artillery 0,1,L,
glum), or about 2600, men more than in 1836. 'Y.;
including artillery, &c.) must cost this countle;*
1,500,0001. a yoar. He should first propose to the boa
make a considerable reduction in the force in the
Nations, which amounted to about 22,000 men. Ifs
begin with withdrawing the troops from the lonian
Great Britain was not bound, either by treaties Intei:
great powers of Europe, or by convention with the r,7
states, to keep any spc number of troops in those MO'
But he considered tUt the lonian states were bound by Pr
Tendon to pay all the expenses of the British troops,
• 3,000 men which had been about the average Ib.
her of troops in that* islands. It would, however, he, ,7",-,"
Impossible for them to fulfil this agreement. It wool:
required a sum larger than their whole revenue. Th. rtf'
,nth
from time to time fresh agreements had been moteos
them for smaller and smaller contributions
of
account of military protection. Those agotlesehte 0,1 of
have never been able to fulfil for any considerable pen ,
time ; at present they must be indebted to this country
071.
sum of about 2001.,0M It was but fair, however' t° their
tics that they have paid since Great Britain bees
not of
reoogeised protector in 1816 about 800,0001. on
.a the
military protection—a sum enormous in propoonoa me
_scog
population of the lonian Islands, which did t

...""skilll7—emomuna hprosodies to the revenue, ',Lich
In ant /80,800/. In addition te that 800.6001,
=.44_llditis bed angunded minas 1816 at hot 4.610.*01. on
*loo Wm* Wyk& oar export trade did wea amassfigegygg.
• ale the neollage of the last 20 yawn. Now, 4,011111.0061.
gam from 111
tale times what it woad east to grad home this
= kin la trancathe isloodo aqua to that width
In With Thseekm V inst
of =ref. a not *dm Idniem bloods, that
• asp had anona4 ban hid by, cad permitted to
enenntolvie. by that time the ellemoniellooo wend be,.
tmitt Mt pay the i limn of amoraming the look&
, =Llimas *we if It wen nammin to do as.
ode for a uncle ea pet by marry wee to
pi to Watt the pockets of sowink, by redwing
, he proposed to esilbkaw the moms
elm diallmiko binds, and to exempt tin Oates Btu egg
elleilaildell en nerwant of military poissidna i fir so,
alit/ they would 10— • •
mar won, and by SO INF
LI" bill"
,Ilit
warleaso three timommed mom.
was ea k the minim hem ed the
gip a =1.111114. The yam being WI *Orono on
email alai* i kit gear it mmolotad if et re
=ivmgi. 1
sof all WO =ft 'melodize a oolamiel
arsimie
ami nag/mean. Ha &mkt*a whether
was frees,isdborydise., could be maintained at
**Cape forml den a Man a year. He acknow-
ledged at one the V the Reid* ma** fa South Africa
was to be makitainad mcording to the boundaries
sue by le Ilkozsail Wmith, and the freatier wa.
, ec ba immusiens of savages,
twin 10gSeramomi am atrial expumelmn of a million,
would I. all probobilin be ultimate* asegirod. Did the
Lose know the alma el the Bad* demitiono be South
Ahies, mieradme to the km proof oaken of air H. /mite
It contained neatly *WM Ivan miles. Half ae large
aeon es Franco—nul to the wholes of the Au trim cm-
Ike. Its swims hankay woe 1,600 miles leog—as far
as Alm ban to likelon. Om lint boundary dwelt the bumf
amen Oa the tan *lke e.th—the Zoete% emote with a
large admixture of Chommeks blood. ever reedy to Ind forth
etreffeefeattle-seselemembanesallioethAfrieaa wars. With-
be the taramdary more mid amens and impend.** mime,
tomiseke military atgalitian always difficult sad szponive,
'pod is mon tumor of the gm impromisabk. The more
of the coatiy war laholdisd either by rebel iltetimadtioh„sontbegity mad mochas to throw elf
r;yloins and bandit tribes wilder
***a "Idea And hotly, imbedded be the BAY
moonimen were the Zolirsostel wboia as opener crancoefol
orniksa we. always reeke—who were mot yet gainsaid,
erg* $.180,0031. bed been spent ia the attempt, bet who
moll on antg=at whatever coat, if the present brak-
ed's a lai umpire in South Mimi were to be main-
-1!e proposed, therefore, to withdraw the troop. le
la th. been take care of themselves—to let the °skid&
Inellege their own affairs—end merely to keep a ear-
egon at 1,000 moo at Cape Town. Aad he warned
the he es that if the did not follow this advim,
they wield lave hi ai to en ordinary military expen4-
MN of Ws EMU* a year to vote ovum few yams • few
MO= fa Fair owl ink wars. Ile reduction, therefore
whisk he skirl prawn to make fa the military f wee of thii
Mbar would earnest he 4,000 moo. Next, with regard to
Colin ; the =Miry fares in that ooloay amounted to 4,000
mom, beeline eolonial corps ; a portion of the expense of
SW hen hailers defrayed by the oniony, a burthen they
von aszions to transfer to the imperial treasury. Without
dani.l, if that colony cnntinned to be administered as it had
lima by the Celestial-office, 4,000 troops were not too many
"keep awe the natives, and this country must make up its
Wog le psy the whole expense of thaw troops. 141 w
ha mead mialtantly acknowledge that after the signal failure
deo enVektneed and distineuished &statesman SG the noble
lami,,iis pseeset Secretary of State for the Colonies, there
moN he we hope that Ceylon could ever be well governed by
ilassiortol-officie. He therefore proposed to transfer 'toted the
. s:6l the troops, to the Rat India Company; and by so
In would give the means of reducing the vire before
SMI by another 4,000 men. Thus, by withdrawia4 a.
tawtawhem late lesion Islands, end 4,000 men from the
ili end Horges, and by transferring Ceylon to the Ike
Compeny, he monk *est a redaction of 11,000 am be
the tesee fief the military stations alone.: With MEd
to the keep in the commercial colonies he
,45
with his has. friend the member for Mon traie ill
where was the um of keeping 9,000 men in the North
tea colonise, of whom 6,000 were in the Cacaos—these
troops met the country nearly 700,0001. • year. Now, sass
the Candy bad obtained responsitle government they
were virtually independent. It seemed to his es
&beard to pay for troops in the virtually independent Won
of the Canada., se it would be to pay for the military 'wob-
bliness'* in the independent colony of the United /halm
The fewer troops that were kept an the north Ascalon
cicala the better, in his opinion. He shield, borrows,
ho the present, propose to keep garrisons at Quebec onal
lialliaz, end would, therefore, merely propo'e a re- ,
darks of 5,000 men in the military form of the
Moth Americans colonies. Of tie W, at Indies, which cot-
tied be thousand, he should say nothing at present. Ho
bed prenned last year to redoes the force in these Weeks
ts 3,ooosarn, sad he had sees no reason be age bit
=on that subject. Ltstly : in Australia sea New
there were 6,000 troops. In Australia there was lam
mod of troops, except on amount cf convict.. There wee,
literally, no one to fight with—the natives were fee in num.
Mr, mad of the feet inaigaillcaut character. All that the
miceigle wanted wee labour and free inatk.utims, and they
mold soon benne mighty @Wee, costing nothing
to this country, end earryme on with it an erten=
Mesa Wade. It might be true that in conrqurnee
of (Mena MIN mkoartagement troops might for
ism time Naga be required in New Zeal, nd ; mad
for that noses chiefly he should propose to leave 3 000 era
be the Angraladan colonies. Thule believed that without
m ilkteraiment to the interests of the empire, the forte in the
might be reduced from 42,000 men to lees than'
22,000 moo, with a saving to the empire in military oxpontli-
tore don of above a million sterling a year. If this who-
don were made lo the forces on fore*n stations, then as the
anmbrelbeega to be relieved would be much diminished,
the emetiso might be entertained of reducing the military
haus at bathe. • would net trouble the house with MOw
kg et prowl to what extent that tone might then he s-
ear , .
_• bat be won't conch* with raying that for the na-
me led* he hal Meted, he should cordially vote for the
*dos of his boo. friend.
Hr. 8. CRAWFORD asethlated it altogether irconsi..
last with the prosier el • bee esastitutisa that • standing
Mel
shore be nosemerzetabsepsigliereseriple le
anadke anbjec, in.
a
Meer ) The hat that army of
26,000 moo, as stolid by labiate', was a rat of mirgovers-
moat ; end be mold tel them that it they rationed their
arrive palsy towards that emery and prested in inflict-
* on bran nerved,' and nouteiralom et tazatioa,
U,OBO mon would ant
11:oa. *bop the r
sal
in sahjostlon. Oin tba es steam head*, sal •
green voles is the et the esnetry, sad there
word be se need et sradkg mars I. time of pear.
Hr. COBDEN—I her bra &VOW to hest the lea
-
this yof the remerlos whist; how bus d
eer@Mus terigle In
this braes. I her bra gale weir et the ine lab-
eler whisk have bees leek by we speaker after smilkw te
ear esisaise, be that is the prat ea whisk the gamin et
reeterimmat tvene. I smear key is WI that hem less
sell by mg Mena the rink km. kismet (lit W. Meter
sicolb) sot by the el eft ben. volume the member be
Neethomplen (Hr. V. &Mtn labial lest to repeat
their aegnments, for I reel net bop to do me la equally
hairs tegma. Bat the debt km. generms• the mentory
et war bee alladed le a =me* I male en • tarns" oreree
rto the ambers teseressereloyed Indeed'. What I rid
Ins that
Wile seembir of emerryirlin that sonntry pe-
rm te addeg ant et rheas ems wry 4000 may
sad that skis the reheats was appoint. the kom which
hall boss 'ilea ea that pawl (ms in ell imams, ores when
the same be the imam be emir) by art bees re-
amed, ma mow I end *r
Ihe knee ast e ande*
tebr it was pores= te the estraion. That h • ekasier
=tali peon that la ell sews rola we sage rat oar
t hem any MI% whether by see or leak we
new fa the we athieweas ge task "gain to what they
woes bike the relies bribe boner erase. (Hear, Ire ml
Ben we see MI three that this amour el Image
Y ruled be edemas, ie or dowser :sterelies at leas,
sod I lime beer with pest regret the rumba at the right
let ganilsman ate the neesellty et Maybe og respite the
canaley kit the pumper et batiks lowa the rook de gar.
rise ter err* ire beep op a stealing asiq or hem la date
of pear wee never heath onvedied la tide beer. (Rear,
hear.) Up to this that I believe it be slams bows kard
that the *jest we. to beep dews the perk. (Ohms.)
New, de, I loth epees that se ea dersaiog state el dap,
The we are told by • remonsek member of the germ
seat la this house that E who have always
hitherto bra resitheld es peie igthemen,lintly etted for selagevern-
moat, whether bre.* Morioka la the crook. an who
have away* slaked the privilege et Dreg governed by the
5.0 sad not by the meitsry powsr—l lay it is a most
eizonmersa if now. in 1849, we require,
as the hate, gentlemr; says, to malaria • large
her ests ceder k
ririnatuir pones smk l presthiserve the pros. h(" Hear,"to and p
geetlem •
7 of " Nor hem t
rid gar he seishiermllerasi")
like The right(Har hon.
en meekly blag ver i
freer.) I rail no have misemeissier kir I tkak that
it wee kr the papas el rearview raw &glares that this
byes wee in mot assmary.- (HanOsser.) We' bath Ith ira
sins saasft is to the maker et themegirbsthe In the
rossolsokolog Owns in saki free all%lllmass. I
skit rat in tared these tome thelira_ ,ia
time ineseset, weed kr Imp te ark hl Iseepieg
km ems ; bat wads these Is monelllng of kelt In the er-
re; rah err fir ibis Inkilaamast .01 t" Csi• d as
wary the metro, sem ; moil It Where who are
he the le three emirs ts2r.s
Nems of the ekterio wbelhar In the
bermenywiththomi=—lmer;
bllillsimr.bmp pewees oldie widens people
Walk, the pile the orsillitka le nom the rine el
oft Hairtholt width maks the employment et =lgor
ilk a mese asommery. Meer, her.) Nat
he a moment Or then exists a therity far oregieylng the
baps le persoling treaties et the pease, we haver Set the
lime anent et her is wow
mula mere Miran" that II lbw
*Mt our, be asasaresor et the newer whisk we now
beet es all parts of the kiagdom. Man 1836 al Wvat
Emma railway ermamoniumies have been eamielei ••
east authority ea sash mean, Owed Order, who gar
_Whams kin • rommittee en rellessas is 11% wil that a
.nunalisn el 1,000 troops sid be targalebel in she beers
al *keg teem Leman to lemelemier winger bare the
Mem" was meth it would take ;Ifellehesw d*y., ski
that while la the the nee they with es ter•
is whin *my slarled is the other they myth
erne in sehenelod 'ad edger with • serresa kW
w• Meer, hoer.) Visa, if I bese the neesusity,
re whisk I
au an. 42. et appereleg the rinkeam by marl hes, I
boy shwa sash lemel fate"
/NOM Per that yes ere is • emialiten lotholmlib the
ansikably, sae still have • tallest
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