The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-01 00:00:00

Sir U. witi.outinay withdrew his amendment, and
the sots was agreed to.
On the report of the committee of supply upon the *my
estimates being brought •p.

1 M PERI AL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF CUMMONS—TsuasDAT, MAY 31.
The Srariaam took the eitsur a.. 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
BEPORIS CONSIDERED.—East Lothian, Control,
and titeek•oe and D.rlingtun Railway Bills.
THIRD ERADINGS.—Abdy's Ramie ; Bast Militias
Railway ;
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PE lONS PRRSRNT RD.
GININWICH M♦saar.—By Mr. BARNARD. from
Greenwich, against the remover of the maybe•.
M• 11111•0611 WITH ♦ Daca♦esD Wire's SISTZIt —By
Mr. FULLIIR cud Mr. BUCK trout plates in East Sane:
and North Dever., ageing the prepaid alteration of the
law of marriage.
Ecormaissolost. Pao TTTTT —By Lord C. MANNERS,
from Melton M .tebrey, against the retest order in council
foe Ike ale of tit►es, and praying against the alienation or
watch property from axles satinet pu•poses.
SIIITIITIILD MAXIM —By Mr. CHRISTOPHER, from
numerous assrettaats, hankers, and other', of the City of
London, for the removal of 8.1% field Market.
Pooa LAW Ornosan —By Mr SUDBURY, from Suf-
folk, for the superanonstion of poor law cilium.
Umtranest Elorrimoz.—By Mr. DUNCAN, from Edin-
burgh, in favuur 01 unit. nal mane.
TALMO IN PPANITITUTION.—By Mr. MARTIN (12),
from dim rules congtaaatiums in Yurk,Anire, fur =teatime to
be instituted egoism persons trading in prostitetiOn.
MAOlsruATna' CLARKS.—By Mr. COCKBURN, from
the mayor and corporation ut Stuthampton, against the
practice of paying 'magistrates' clerks by MUMS M ISM
RZOISTIIATION or Scout' BIWIIII AND MAaaUo:e.—
By Mr. F. MAULE, from Perth. against certain clauses of
the bid kw the reguitration of births sad marriages in Soot-
lead.
Paorr.a'a C .—By Lord D. STUART, from in-
habitants of Meryl/boas, in favour of the Peeples Coiner.
Posr-orrice.—By the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, from
Chester, for reform is the Post-office.
COUNTY Comm.—By Mr. MOSTYN, from Llanwryit,
for an extension of t►e junsdietioa of the county coarte.
Cuss or Rix. Ma. Smona.—By Mr. COBDEN, from
Wesleyan congr. ratios at ?leeway, L'acolnehire, tor the
relies* of Mr. Boom.
IbrramstrAz. ACT.—By Mr. COBDEN, from the inhabit.
cam .4 Roos, Denbigiunire, kir me repeal of the Septen-
nial Act.
NOTICES OF MOTION.

OEKNNT AND SHETLAND Gaisvascsa.-11T ANDER-
SON, On Tuesday, June 12, to move for a 'elect eummitue
to inquire into Um allegations of certain petitions from the
lanoitulders, traders, and other innalutante co Orkney and
Shetland, complaining of Tolosa local vievaneos operating
as impediments to the due development of the iodustrial Te-
mente,' of those islands.
LUNATIC ASYLUMS (SCOTLAND) BILL.—Mr. ANDER-
SON, income trio bill sluull pass the second reading, to stove
is committee that the islands of Orkney and Shetland be
en, opted from its operation.
ACCIDeriTe tN 11111111.—Mr. WYLD, on an early day, to
move that the inettseiug Las of Its in the coal nuoes of
Groat Britain imperatively demand the interference of the
legislature.

NEW HERBER.
Sir J. NICHOLL took the paths and his neat for Cardiff.
MARTLEBONE AND FINCHLEY TURNPIKE
ROADS.
Lord D. STUART moved, " That the p titian of owners
and occupias of homes in the New Finchley-road and
Avenue-road, for the introduction of climes into any general
bill which might be introduced Cr the continuance of turn-
• ata, prohibiting the trustees of the Maryleboae and
Finaley turnpike-rads tram erecting, or permitting to re.
male, any toll gate or bar on say part of tnr Filichley-roe4
and Avenue-MO, on the south side of or nearer to London
than the Swims Cottage, presented to the house on the 12th
May, 048 ; end the petitions tor eoutlauente of the Meryl'.
'bone and Finality road Acts, from the trustees of Hanle-
boat and Fiabley tarapiari roads, and the bonded creditors
of the Menlebone and kinenl.l turnpike trust, treatise' to
the hi.use on 3rd Angus:, 1848, be reterred to the committee
on group 19 of private ills."
Atter a few words 11001 Mr. DRUM and Mr. C. LEWIS,
the motion was withdrawn.
CANADA—THE TIMES NEWSPAPER.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER begged to ask a questiou.of which
he had given noises to the Under-fittretary for the Colonise'
(Mr. Hawes). Pigpen relating to the affairs of Canada had
only been placed in ass hands of Lon. members of that house
in the ODUriO of the prasidine day, but those papers had sp-
ilt print, in the Times newspaper of Saturday last.
Itlizillunition be wished to a,k was, whether any person con-
nected with the Colonial-optics bad received the sanction of
the government to r.Jmenuniteite papers to the Times news.
pap- r before they were placed in the bands of hun. Jam-
bes ? He was induced to era tab quesuon In consequence
of fernier papers relating to Comedian affair., havii g also ap-
peared in to columns of the limes beton they were com-
municated to the house.

Mr. HAWKS felt obliged for the intimation given him,
that the boa member intended to put this question. In the
first instate, to which allusion had been made the papers
were printed and delivered to hon. members on the morning
after they had been received. In the second instance similar
orders were kneed, but the papers had not been delivered to
hen. members ea the following day, in consequence of the
Whitsuntide holidays. Beside., the Colonial-uflhe had no
astral unt the delivery of documents. Instructions had
set Wm given to favour any particular newspaper. Oa the
int eceados several applications had been made to him by
wad& parties represent* the press to have a copy of tee
mpzuairezeived. It was then deemed of emends'
that the papers in question should be
made known to the public as rapidly as possible,
and in every instance applications from the pre s
were, as far se practicable, promptly complied with. (Hear.)
He could only regret that one application respecting the
pipers last received had reached his hands so late an the
evening that he was unable to comply with it, otherwise he
should have bad great pleasure in doing so. (Hear, hear.)
On many easmions, bat peed/Julio.ly on occasions of this
sort, it was of the assist &deade' to the government to
aid publicity ; and he believed the public woad awe* with
him, that upon a topic se initiating as that of Canada, net
Majesty's minister. acted rightly in availing themselves a
the pabliaty the prom afforded. (Hear, hear.)
PUBLIC WALKS IN LARGE
c TOWNS.
Mir. BLANEY begged to ask theright boa. gen
the Secretary tor the Tierney, how of a TOWNS.
10,0001., voted for the establishment of public walks is brie
towns, remained unappropriated ?
Mr. HATTER replied that the vote of 10,0001. had bean
made in the year 1841. Of that ism betwen 4,0001. and
6,0001. had been appropriated for public walks in large
towns, end there were applications at present before the tree-
min for about 3,0001. man. The general regulation under
which edemas had been made was, that the parries apply-
ing should undertake, by yarns of volantry subscriptiums,
to raise a saes at least equal to the amount they *ought to
obtain from the treasury. The 5,0001. had been advanced to
Damns, Portemeath, Manchester, whither places, and ap-
plications for the 3.0001. had come has Saaaland, Stock-
port, Oldham, and elsewhere.
SUPPLY.

Upon the repeat el b lag brought up, for voting
784.7681. epee the navy estimates (wages to anthems),
Sir H. WILLOLIGHBY moved • reduction of 60,0001.
M this vote. He deeplegretted the absence of the hon.
siestkie fur Montrose (Mr.
_Hume), beciatue that los. gen-
theme would have proposed • redeetio.• is the present
wi h his usual ability. Bat as he (Sir H. Wil-
I booby) had gime sons of his motion, and as this was
the only opportunity he would have of getting
armorinfion
as to the principle upon wan the vote was calcule 1 end
ailed, he bad no shaman but to prneeed with his observa-
tions. In the year that was past 861.0001. had been de-
mein a tat vote. A comatittes was then appointed to
ineedgais the anal expenditure, and the estimate bad
boon ma nn by the rem x 140,0001. The not sow demanded
was emereases, and with the saseeptita et the two last years
was unpressienedly neat. It had rim from 400,0001. in
ISO up to its t amount. The make of artificers,
had tens from 8,000 in 1833, to 13,278 is 1848,
of the morns He believed
ihn an Meant navy 60,000 horse
new ; and that they • maritime power
telly equal to their requlremeate. He admitted there was
=sof a war, bat there was alto danger that emissive
would cane diesestest easy the semen He
wee anxious to know whyuy required so large • vote at
man, and upon what prisciplath so enormoss an cinna-
bars had been °assisted
Mr. GODSON smosieil the amenmeat.
Sir F. BARING said that if a amine naval fares was
to be kept up in the awry, the duskier& meet be main-
talo is be
ethane seen He know set hew tits
WA/n •••11 be missed ; end urn lestiog se the seem savvy
of Wrens be wee sot trained to think that that a Begked
was to kegs. Tae mean navy of haws at priest wirwom
Crsad within the Int kw weeks it had
ikethective ihr beam; troops end other p apogee also.
(Fen) The km. patinae had entrasted our enema.
Imo ells year with Sumer years, bat he ought to recollect
SW the work at the dockyards was inereariag, and that a
biker elms of wages for good weakness an exprisisen
diens nits be paid Ira was the an la sew estabilith
ants. Inge minutiae. in wages and as bad, however
Ufa glass. an the several ememindeal recommendation:
11.1011191 in the report of the committee were in proems of
big carried eat, cossisteatly with the due efficiency uf the
funks. (therar.)
Mr. lIBNLSY ernended that the principle kid dam
by the right hoo. gentleman of making the anoilem of
'rakers bear a fair proportion to the naval fn. kept up
had not bees adhered to. bat that them had been a consider.
able moms, sad that that oxen bad been prngr salve for
soma nem past. He could not therefore sir. e with the
tight boa. gentleman that every swam consistent with
the effieleney of the navy had been obsery
Capt. PECHELL °emplaned of the greet expenditure
caned by employing steamers instead of sailing vessels, and
also of that awed by the necessity of frequently remaking
vessels, which might be obviated by the use of the marine
gin indeed of pitch. At least 80,0001. • year mint be
arid it this levitation of Mr. Jeffrey WWI resorted to.
Sir C. SUBILELL bore testimony to the value of the
gasimalifii,Fat.gilltheneAilLaviagG mtviidthwilitthfanereagliinviequeulwirytteuralwasmaPurPcissateparr:onsurestat being,
with Mr. Jeffrey oa the subject of his invention. (Hear.)
J. TTRELL bad seen the marine glue lased, sad
with the but postale effect'.

Mr. SCULLY promoted • petition from a Mn.Ueiack,
prayiag for the usual pension allowed to colonel's widows,
and prayed the attention of the Secretary at War to it.
Mr. F. MAULS said the claim was one of very old stand-
log, sad hod already been adjudicated on by several succee-
d,e inioistere at war, who were all of opinion, him.el'
amongst the rest, that it was not founded in justice ; the
fact b. log that Colonel Ude& when mulled to the peti-
tioner was upwards of 70 gears of age, which precluded her
from any peicion. If it were not to, they would have ladies
constantly marrying aged officers for the purpose of obtain-
lag the pension.
The report was then read and agreed to, and the house
resolved itself into • eonnoltee of supply on the miscel-
laneous estimates.

On the vote of 73,6001. Is. U., under the head of civil con-
tingencies, being proposed,
Mr. OSBORNE said that great expectations, in which,
however, he had not joined, had been formed lest year
in consequence of the appointment of the committee,
but he certainly thought that neither the house nor the
country had any reason to congratulate themselves on the
altering or cutting down of these miscellaneous estimates. In
ene or two instances the report of the committee had been
attended to, but there bad been a total absence of any prin-
ciple on which to act. fie regretted that these miscelleneoue
estimates were furnished in their present detached form. It
would be much better to demi(' them under the heads of
civil, colonial, and public buildings; and if they wished for
civil contingencies, they might call them misc. Duteous es-
timates The fine item to which he wished to sell alien.

Lion, but not with a view to reduction, for the money
was already paid, and if they reduced it he
knew not from what source the deficiency coald b. supplied,
was the sum of 3061. in the vote before the house on

asecuustrif expenses itcane4 in the exploration and survey
of the undetermined boundary between tht British admits
in North America and the United States, pursuant to the
treaty of Washtngton. Bury year, since 1845, there had
been a charge on account of that treaty, and he should be
glid to know how long it wu to be in existence, end what
the .entire out_ wu to be. In the same Tote was

the itsni of 2,0001. on account of the expenses —7l
Earl Mint*. He did notice It is item in order to take any
exception to the mission, begone* the noble lord the Secre-
tary for Foreign Affairs last year made a mast able defence
of it. Indeed, he had never heard anything from the noble
lord is that hones more satisfactory of his policy—(hear.
hear)—and he referred to it only for the purpose of ;pointing
out that there was last year the a charge of 2,0001. ter the
same mission, end he wished to know what the total expense
was to be. The next item was NM on account of
the expenses of Colonel Wylde whilst Gn a special
mission to Portugal; last year it was 1,6001. He
should be glad to know what wes the whole expense of
Col. Wylde, and whether they had now done with it. He
would coogratulate the committee on the very small item
for the passages of bishops to the oo'otiee, 1761. 13s. 4d.,
which, last year, had been 1,2091. (Hear, hear.) There
was en item of 1,1001. for the outfit and equipage of Mr.
Southern, on his proceeding to Buenos Ayres. In 1846
there was a similar charge of 4,7831. ; and some explanation
ought to be given, to show whether the negotiations going
on at Buenos Ayres warranted the outlay of these sums.
(Hear.) There was a sum of 1001. to Mr. Re beets, the
president of Liberia He was nog suffi iently a geographer
to know where Liberia was; he had looked for it in a map,
and could not find it. (" Hear, bear," and "It is on the
coast of Africa.") He was not aware, at all events, that
we had established a republic there. (Laughter) I. No. 3
were some very curious items. The charge for attendance of
lettermen at the House of Lords had dwindled down from

2031. to two guineas. Seel items as than night never to
have been introduced ; he hoped they would be distinct)y
explained. Then thin was 4431. for what was called
venial allowances to trunneten but though the trumpeters
might be triennial, the vote was annual. (Laughter., Lee
yesr there had been a charge of 1831. for silver trumpets, and
this year it was 4461. for " triennial and other allowances to
the sergeant trumpeter and to the household trumpeters,
end for new silver trumpets and kettle drums, stc. No
ministry ought to come down to ask the house for these paltry
sums, which, however, were annual, and soon amounted te
several thousands. There was an item of 6061. for '• travelling
esteems of the King and Queen of the Belgians, the Doke of
tine Coburg, and the Prins of Prussia, daring their visits
to this country." That was a bad precedent, and royal per-
sonage@ ought to be ashamed to send in a bill to that house
after visiting their royal relatives in this country. (Hear.)
The first vote under the head No. 4 was very extraordinary :
6001. for" the commission appointed to settle the claims of Bri-
tish subjects in the Portuguese army and navy during the war
of liberation in Portugal." This tommnion had co•t 11,3061.
since 1843 ; end they had not finally adjudicated to this mo-
ment. This, if not • job, was a most prodigal expenditure of
the public money. Then there was 8651. for " the comenimion
appointed for the purpose of i quiring " whether advantage
might not be taken of the rebuilding of the hones of par•
liament for the purpose of pouncing end encouraging the
fine arts." Already 6,0001. had been expended on this com-
mission ; he said nothing of the frescoes, ovary one could
judge of those ; but the expenditure was going en every
year. He wanted to know what were the expenses of these
men of taste, and how they had come to lay out 6,0001.
Then 8601. was put down for the commission for metropo-
litan improvements ; last year it was 9241. But the most
expensive thing was the commission on the heath or the me-
tropolis, which was 1,8001. this year, and 3001. last
year. Then there was " the commission for inquiring
into the conditions to be observed in the appli-
cation of iron to railway structures," 25001. this
year; 6001. last year. What did this commission mean, and
what was to be its ultimate cost? There was an item of
2,5001. 175. for the commission for inquiring into the mud.
tuti-n and management of the royal mint. (Hear, hear.)
There was a charge of 5001. " for preparing a digest of the
evidence taken before the commission appointed to inquire
into the unroof land in Ireland." So, after they had paid for
the big blue books, which nobody read, there was a charge of
6001. tor reducing It to a blue book in duodecimo. (liev.)
The sum of 601. WE charged as the "expose incurred in pre-
paring casts of the l'higalian marbles, and sending them to
Athens as a present to the King of Greece." If we were in the
humour for making presents, much better would it be to make
some outlay on that deserving traveller Mr. Layard. (Hear,
tear.) There were two sums of 6101. and 4001. for accounts
of turnpike trusts and highways—he supposed connected
with that bill which had fallen to the ground Toe next wasa
very curious item. It appeared that when any gentleman took
a peculiarly evangelical fit, the country had to pay for it.
Last year 5801. had been charged as expenses connected
with the public thanksgiving for deliverance from famine
and now there was an item of 4821. 14s. for sending by
post eon" of orders in council and firms of prayer and
thaskegineg. There was an item of 601. for " repayment
to ordnance services of the value of arms, ammunition, &c.,
presented to the sultan of "Juliana." Would any hon.
gentlemen inform him who that individual was ? (Laugh-
ter.) There was a payment of 6001. to the Electric Tele-
graph Company ; this might be a fair bill, but might not
some arrangement be made by contract ? Under the head
No. 6, " services In Ireland," wen some curious items.
The first was 2211. 10e. for the rent of • public cod-yard,
which bad been stated last year to have been purchased.
There were also the following —"The Hon. P. Plunket,
second oommissioner of bankruptcy in Ireland, on account
of salary, 1,4411. •' " " W. T. Hamilton, second remora-
brander of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland, deficiency of
fees in his department, 6851. 17e." It had been stated last
year that these two items were in future to be provided for
from the conatlidated hind ; why then wen they again put
into the estimates? On looking into these Items, hon.
members would perceive that they were snob as no mom-
mines could deal with; and unless they adopted some
broad principle of retrenchment, it would In totally impos-
sible to lighten the burdens of the country. (Heardiesz.)
Col. SISTINE"' said he felt impelled by • erne of duty
to take • very painful course. (Hear, War.) After the closest
examination of these estimates, be had been unable to un-
ravel the mysteries of WIN of them. la the miscellaneous
estimates for civil services, other matters were mixed up
which had no right to appear there. Ose was the item for
the railway department. Whether railway companies don:f-
ished or not, he thought they ought to pay all their own ex-
penses. Then there wee an item of 2,0001. for the special
espouses *broad of Lord Mine. This was a round sum,
which, in addition to the 2,0001. of last year, made 4,0001.
He should like to know how it happened that these expenses
name to even thousands. (Hear bear.) After his motion
with respect to the lords of the 'Admirelty, he despaired of
efLeting any reduetipa in these estimates, bat thought it We
duty to being these ensnare forward.
Mr. F. FRENCH she asked foe =plunks of the 2211.
for rent of a coal-yard is Ireland. The item for holding an
investigation in a pal was improperly introduced, es the
charge ought to haw been borne by the officers of the geoL
The sum of WE pepable to the Seeretary for Ireland in re.
west of ea adolithinl office se auditor of grand jury neonate,
was wholly nneesseary, as the duties might be performed
by • clerk fee "AL a year.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought It his ditty to remark on no
Reim, that et USW. hr insanities el inquiry into the con-
stitution and ennegommutoftheroyal mint. Belied
egaimmthisexpenselsetaismsianeswhdlymaseesseary,=
that the Master of the Hint himself was perfectly competent
to induct such He woo a high Meer of stage, re-
ceiving • large , a privy menoilor, with very smell
ordinary duties; a the only ground for ss antlag this
cans from the Board of Trade was that the of the
Mint might undertake en inquiry into the management of
the institution. The appointment of commandoes generally
divided and diminished responsibility. Were the duties
posidenned by the heads of the departments, they would be
responsible to that house. Re believed that the commission
wee wholly tutneesesery, and that the Muter of the Mint,
with the eminence of such mew as Mr. Cotton and
Oelssel Forbes, would have performed these duties in
a perfectly satisfactory manner. He knew that Colonel
Forbes entertained the p collar view that wings ought not
to be paid for by Gannet, but by salaries. This was directly
se the practice of the mint, wit., officers we re
opposedil to
beard as witnesses; and thus Col Forb s was enebl!d.,
se it were, to dictate his own views to the commission. Had
the inquiry bees conducted by the Manor of the Mist, ,
vend have been more impartial. It was remarkable the
then were no fewer than nine commissions, each mobs
Wiest 2,6001. (Hear, beer.) He was at a lon to ceassies
how the Mint Conimusion could have spent any such sum.
Col. Priebe, was a salaried officer in the East India Com-
pany's Mint, and certainly Mr. Cotton would nut receive
resumeration for his services. The tecresery, of nurse,
would receive remuneration. He believed it had been inti-
mated to him that that remuneration would be proportioned
to the amount of materials he might collect in the inquiry ;
and it cerainly appeared that a great portion of the blue
book consisted of the lucubration* of the secretary. (Hear.)
I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
conmission had been appointed to impure whether the

Mint might not be rendered mach less expes.ee the
*Dunne ; and the only object of the itorernmen• we, to
point persons most competent to conduct the inquiry. H.
did not think that • more proper person than Mr Cott,
could have been appointed ; for many years he had Mein
very particular attention to the subject of cot, age, coi:
Forbes ma a person ot the greatest possible expert-mg fa
this matter. Ater spending some time in eliding the Do;
clips' mint' of Europe, he bad been appointed head of tba
mint in Calcutta. which he had conducted with the rt eel.;
encase and which paid its own expens-s. The gomi.:,
had, theretwe, thought it very desirable to „,,d crujoet
Forbes to this country, to have the benefit ot
oedema and knowledge. Sir Edward Coffin, anetbi,
member of the commission, wee a commissariat -
he bad been a eonsiderabbs time to le Rio%
large quantities of coin had pawed through his hare;
in that candle ; ale • in B.oti nd and Ireland. The
r. suit of the inquiry had satisfied the goverment thst
th y had made • good selectioo. As to the exprase ° f
commission, it w,ll well Imam that Mr. Cotton was
paid ; the 'Uncivil expense was the payment of 1144
Caloasl
Forbes, who, bri g a highly•peld officer of eh- Hut too,
Company, could not' have beau teddy called over to this
country without the g vernment taking on them the sass
payees nt as had been made to him be the coo poly. Lai,
the whole expels arose from paying to Col mei Forbes, a
conducting the inquiry ber.,_ what he welel.l haft ',aired
had he remained in I lona. (H. ar. h-ar ) Out oldie 2,500/
1,8001. was for paymert due to Colonel Forbes. The .4,14
a the stereary bad certainly not been determined, u the ;
right bon. grutleman su?psed, by the extent of Au Moen.
The secatar:ea to these commissions were get mile mid
three rates of salary acenreine n the light or nameless%
of the duties, 3001, 6001., or 7001 • and on the result, ot Xis
inquiry the ere gluey had divined that the secretary was sat.
till d to the larger amount.
Sir J. TTRELL said it oppeered to him that the pay.
m• at of the secretary in prop .rtion to the amount of lib
labours, instead of by a salary, ..fforded a premium to Ma
melbas of blue woke. (IL ar, hear.) Ho would be OM
to hear some t :plat:alto ae to the complaint with retinae,
to the hon. enema r for Dublin, that he had, through his
son, become the recipient of the eiripplogs of sweet oil tom
the Treasury B nch. (Laughter.)
Se G. CLERK seu glad to see the right hon. gentlest*
the Master of tne Mint in his place, as he hoped the host
would hear from him some explanation with regard to the
accusations which had, during the inquiry, been bum&
against officers of the Mint, who complained that thew *
cusations had been published in the report without ars
pr. violisty being mace acquainted with them, or baying say
°mortar. ity of replying to them. A care:idly prepare
paper was placed before the commitoior. by persons who Ind
nut of late had any very intimate mon, idoe ith the Mat,
accusing them of ignorance and iticompetence, involving its
public in great expense: and, when they saw the statuses%
in print, and app:ied for redress, they were aimp;y told that
the inquiry of the commission had closed. Those statement
were given in the report without env comment en the pot
of the commissioners, and he appealed to the right lice.
gentleman (Mr. Shell) to my whether or not be corieuned is
them.
Mr. SHELL said, he supposed the right bon. gushiest
referred to • dream's% furnished by Mr. Pis rueci, ohs OW
medallist, and ioserad in the report. He (Mr. Bheit) had
already express d to Mr. Brand his regr.t that minis
phrases should have bee.. employed ; but the eommiri acs
had not stated teat any of the officers semiarid wero grnity el
the charges brought against them. He thought Mr. HMI
was too sensitive on the subject. The first allegation of Mr.
Pistrucci with regard to Mr Brand wueoat eh .ugh a amide
of the first eminence, he was not a good m.ehonist ; thew:ad
allegation was that, Mr. Brand having an official contra! 010
the moneyed, his own cost bad been appreutic d tones, and
that the salary thus insetted to the son tended to er.tt•
partiality in favour or the monovers on the part alit Brand
himself. There was a third allegation to the ef.ct that Mr.
Brand did not worn with his own hands. Now the cassis-
sioners did not conceive that these charges snowed to a
crinsination of Mr. Brand, and therefere they bad not called
upon him for explanation. He had forgotten to state that
Mr. Pistrucci had also all Ted that Mr. Brand was sot stilled
in the hardening of the dies, and that Mr. Wj on, the e id
engraver, had alleged that a vast expendt:urs was em
necessari'y incurred at the Mint on that meat.
It was the duty of the commimioners to smart
such alterations as would, in tour opinion, preveat the
recurrence of the evils mentioned by Mr. Pis mai,
but in doing so they had not said one word reflecting on Mr.
Brand or any other officer of the Mint. Mr. Brand had
written to him (Mr. fined) in somewhat caustic terms, ea&
iog for invest* ion, but when asked in reply to point net
what particular allegation he wished to have mule the este
jest of inquiry, he stared that what be want, d wan a gated
investigation. A general investigation would, under the
circumstances, have been preposterous. (Hear, he r) It
had been said that the labours of the commission had not been
productive of any public benefit. His isomer • as, that the
recommendations of the report were adopted, the result
would be a saving of from 14,0001. to 15,003 a year. There
was one recounn. ndation which was especially imprint,
namely, that of the substitution of salaries for contracts. A
commis ion which sat in 1837 had that question under its
consideration, and he thought the right hon. gentleman im-
pala the member for the university of Oxford (Mr.
cone) would have done will had he directed hisemineatfr
alines to that question when Muter of the M no, (Btu,
hear.) It appeared that the profits of the money. rs amused
to 5,0001. a year ; and the commissioners who had nandy
investigated the subject, conceiving that that was IS4
much, recommended the substitution of salaries for compacts.
In order to ascertain what contracts should be entered into,
the commissioners asked the moneyers what waste was ig•
curved in the coining of a million of soveteigns. They as
fused to answer the question; but Col. Forbes, having twee
at the head of the mint in India, was enabled to state del
the line amounted to 7001.; and he believed that if the id-
vice of that gentleman were followed, a saving of from 8,0001.
to 10,0001. per 1112111{1111 would be effected. (Hear, hese)
The hon. member for 841,11 (S:r J. Tyson) had adverted is
the fact that • 11411 of the hon. member fur Dubin (Mr. Rey-
nolds) had received an appointment. He would aphis
under what circumstances the appointment had taken
place. The office of solicitor to the Mint beams es.
cant. The eatery was 8001. a year. The right hoe
gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) detir-
mined to put a stop to a job, it being wall known the
nothing had ever been done for the money. Accordingly
he consolidated thee office of solicitor to the Mint and pa.
citor to the Treaeury, and thereby affected • saving of MW.
annually. Mr. Powell, having held the office of salt*
solicitor for thirty years was, on the recommendation re the
Attorney-General, appointed fiat assistant, at a Wry d
84101., the fees bring abolished ; and the eon of the hon mom.
bar for Dublin, who had passd five years in an attorney's
office, and was recommended by the Irish Attorney-
, General, was appointed to succeed Mr. Powell, with a
salary of 3201. per annum. Such was the *Sim
yid** of all decency which had been so almost*
demmuierd. He would only add that being as Muter of
the Mint in the enjoyment of considerable patronage, bet*
easeurred in the recommendation of the commissioners that
*, whols of that patronage should be transferred to tin
Trimary
Mr. GOTILBURN thought the right hon. gentlassalisi
wandered from the real question, which was, whether a we.
mission should have been appointed to disc! age data
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assn •isaa uses tseadtuted thwere so nneet e inquiry quiWcoautiser
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list Owe woo • natural reluctance on the part of ad of
I them *give say 'information, and-beast the advents.. d
yroseeding as the commission had inns.
Mr. GLADSTONE thought it important to consider
whether or not a better system of coatracts could be adopted.
Mr. MANGLES gave his testimony to the ability of Col.
Forbes. _ .

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CoL SIETHORP said there wu one item that hi
wanted to be enlightened upon, a sum of 1061. 2s. 3d. ft
the travelling expanses dike King and Queen of the Bel-
gian', the Priam of Prussia, and eundry other pasoutlet
on visits paid by than to ha Majesty.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
this and similar items had beau heartily paid out of the
' civil list, end had bees truatened es the mismanage so-
natas on the reanangement of the civil list.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said his peat complaint wee of ohs
total ignorance in which the house wog left as to what the
actual expense of all them commissions waste be. Thu
was a constant ay of give I give I but when the ay was to
ogees nobody knew. Here was 11,16 W. charged fee the
Portuguese dams oommiegiou. How keg was this commix
mica to go ea ?
LonIPALIIERf3TON said that the commission would
Unlinks ha lab Ain within a very few days. The noble
lord took the occasion to state that he had received • comma
niceties from Mr. Southern which gave reasonable gaud
for the hope that the long pending negotiation on which
that gentleman was now employed would shortly be brought
to a satisfactoryconclusion. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. (SODDEN wanted to know what we had to do with
the praldent ot Liberia, that the country wu to give his
1001. Bemdly, he wanted to know what was the monied
of the sum put down as expenses of the King of Mosquito
and suite on • visit to Jamaica ?
Lord PALMERSTON said that the King of Mosquito's
business at Jamaica was to be crowned there, as the
previous King of Mosquito had bees. It had been car
abased proper and politic to convey Ina to and from Jr
make in a ship of-war, and the item of which the hon. ger.
amen 'complained was the charge of his maintenance who
on board—a charge always admitted on the °emulate of pf•
maga being so conveyed in Queen's ships. As to the res•
slant of Liberia, after a visit to this country last year, eon'
sated with his office, he had requested to be conveyed to
Liberia in a ship-ot-wer, and it had been in like manna
deemed politic to comply with the request.
Mr. COBDEN said that as to the King of Moulta°
the Mated States regarded with jealousy any setting °
monarchiaal states on the coast of North American; see.'"
considered it extremely injudicious on our part to be nett";
ourselves forward in such prominent connection with this
aboriginal savage as to fetch him over to Jamie+, err
him there, sad then carry him back again and instal ha in
his kingdom. There was another item for the charts in
maintaining certain Mosquito Indians ; were we to ILea/
the subjects ot the king at Mosquito as well as the king
self ? There was an item for the parapet of some advance+
or other to Moorish chiefs at Portendie, and another for
arms. Re., given to the Sultan of Johanna. It appeased r
him moot improper to be expending the public money le
arming then obscure savages.

Le* PAlllllllll'Ol4 eal4 that the Magalto was bad
boa *Ow the prolostiosof laglasd for ware has 200 years.
Zlo usikd Maws, therdere, whale batiquity a a eh wee
roomy ea gnat, Nag wet v. ry Nll eeraptasa that larked
re swap isp a stale Is the lleakeito A; to
rimier, than was a large easa able Gard* ow I 7
had a *at ranee ; sal It was amaideree expelleat, and
We* asowory, to sake war sal Shea mall prarmata to
the yral thialwas. At to tho Baas of Jobs**, he did
sot, M* • pine* meat, all le shad what the met
diatwoutasee wore, bat they wen probably of the taw
ebsrestor.
Oa Oa gotan that the wale b* woad to,
3 0613ORNE moved as aa samulaeat that It be re-
*** le llas ma of 30,0001., whereupow tho eanalueo
1,140—
Ter the edging Rat 47
Yet the aaraduent l6
.lowty —33
The ate was dna agreed to. MI OM wawa lemanal.
DIFE9T6 11! IM.

This bill went Wireto assaartuee.
PMMINGERS BILL.
HAWES sisoad that toe house do go into coma-
jag Mthis hall whisk wea agreed to.
Os shire 10
Mr. MONSELL urged that the weeds whereby cabs pos-
mow were readend about& to the same regulscoas as
bt7o
agrees es strews pas..engen oneht to be le ft oat of the
Mr. B. HAW ES said that the lawn why calla pawn-
ree were bele ad is the ',soleness was that samben
who, pn.perly speaking, were ate rage pagrogsre,
wee
classed ss 'basin peneagers, and coariequently that
was evils had arises trios this circumstance, the ealy Ivey
b avoid which was by mating all alike amesalele to the
issulatioas.
Clause 26 bolos proposed,
MONSELL objected to there being inspectors ap
plated to ea mime the sanitary arrangements an board
peesent r ships, as it was a hardship on swain of such
vessel, to have to pay Mai en Moir for drag a duty which
the wpm was quabfled to pinkest.
Mr. B. HAWES said that the starves had already
earegh to do ta baking after the Malta of the paw r•
without blue Gelled epos so azanstae lase the a ot
the asocanaceratioae.
The resmasion obsess being agreed to, the homes re-
laand.
POLICE OF TOWNS (SCOTLAND).
The LORD ADVOCA tE moved that this bell be referred
le• select coassairse, whisk was agreed to.
REGISTERING BIRTHS, Be. (SCOTLAND).
The LORD ADVOCATE, in moving that this bill be
estawitted, said, in simmer to a ri qu tit from Mr Doachx,
that it should be postpearl for to days, that it was his in.
tendon to p rtp we all the daubs that wore objected to, sod
M proceed only with those parts of the bill which woe paw
adly mar
The WI, oonsistiag of 64 drawee, thou passed Vern et
esamittres, with the ezeeption of dimes 12, 13, sad 36,
which were held over
CLER for fa aro einsider.tios.
GY RELIEF BILL.
The howls mauled, sad immediately aria went Into
asinaltt••• whoa all the clauses of which the bill coosieted
was agreed to.
Mr. LACY moved the Mowing wdditiosal elatese:—"Aad
be it eaaeted. that t shall not be lawtal for any archblenop
sr bishop of the limited church of &Iliad sad liaised to
re-erdain, great letters of orders to, or agsia suable bay
mein, say persoe os laving been relieved by mime el
iireiti• a fr.& holy ore" as aforesaid."
Mr. BOUVERIE eapressed his 'pink! that tli• skim'
Ins wholly sweeserwary, bestow a person so having beta
relieved by esawaes of deposition fr.b holy orders" balm
a lamas, tad riled not again perform ha sacred risottos
The c ate was then withdraws, and the bOr plod
through.

NSW BILLS.
The followieg bills were then Droved is and read a lint
Wit W. Bossavius,-11111 to mead as aet for die rep-
aid.. a win...p *aped:loft is IninaL
Sir W. Soussmts,—Bill for the istyrovestest of the
Mrof Dublin.
W. Soseavixxs,-11111 to provide for the eoliestitra of
salsa is the city of DAWN.
Ur. SouCrroa deresksx,—Bill to mad tke Joist
Nash Compost. a' Wilding-hp Aet,lMB.
TM Loan ADVOCATII,—Ttuit the Polio of Tows. (Soot-
hed) Bill as rebreed to a aeleet eossaittes.
Mr. C mild& g assail rotor* of the ex-
gordilsre os highways is Eapland and Wales to 1 am-
nion' to the Siaretary of State, and afterwards laid *fore
pellaussi.
TM !awe adjourned at a quarter poet nine.