The Express.
London, England, 1847-06-18 00:00:00

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made eh, cos* weld to refer th em to thellthen a Ad-
mire, Is rthsio seserra theme wesue wp not inch I
vielathisoialoseli as %justify* grarreat ia reguiriag
comperates est rimer. With_rismito the wend pert,
it wee ere there by the 17th red lath eel dire of the rear ofl
1842, the estismaterial err arm iresAsesk aft osoilition
that there chili be erablitteserealett renaltse
sand
guarantees le= lubletta...aa I. 1114.318BrOWIleb sub-
sitlifkr;l h>fdir la oueguence, sn
apptorime wee rate to the roileasses
_gonessent,
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bag the re-ostsbliimsent and e soisenereie emir, asi t
hod hem roestahlithed, wee new is Wilms Se
sot *yak It *ins or expedient to member the hour wlllt
the esneerwelewes between her moisity's gerresert art
the reiteiner government on wins matter misallng
oar essemordelthistior. The brae was pressing for tho
haseedire reatheekto et the rem. Many members
earl • *go Noe both, sad he heil *en rink in piss
tnioalse eenespenduse better °Mobs: mad the ims-
seat to Mika eat all *kith had sat • boir-1
onls guidon which the hourlad
to serlder; tor tliabgt was the reser why the noble bad Aid
not tsd la the blee book anytbiag relating to the me rse.
vitriol err, gent blockades, or any other minor or per- I
soul quotients es which there had been much corresper
dance, but Use eonserratorial court was required by formal
application to be restored, under the articles of the treaty;
it was in existence, and would continue so till the legal rights
and guarantees were re-established.
BUSINESS OP THE HOUSE.
The Earl of LINCOLN begged to ask if, in the event of
the (list-union on the poor-law not being concluded this
evening, it would be continued to-morrow, or whether the
Health of Towns Bill would be taken ?
Lord J. RUSSELL thought that, as there were wily
two questions* on the poor law to be considered, the dim-
don would be concluded to-night ; but he should take the
Health of Towel Bill to-morrow even if it were not.
DECORATIONS TO THE OFFICERS EMPLOYED
IN PORTUGAL.
Mr. EWART said it was understood that it wee *ls'
intention of the l'ortuguese crown to offer decorations es
the officer" of the Brit 6h navy employed in the late mime
of the insurgent troops. He wished to know if it would be
sanctioned by the government.
Viscount PALMERSTON said that it was well knowa
to those who were interested in such matters, that there wee
a regulation in force which prevented British matters tier
accepting or wearing any foreign order, onkel
for distinguidted services at see, or in the deii
enemy, or when they were actually in the Mt •
foreign power. lie bad no difficulty in saying I* rm. it
the duties performed by the British officers, either des
naval, or military, in Portugal, were such as to bring.dtmen
within the scope of that regulation, or to justify their relit.
fog any order from the Portuguese crown. (Hoer, hear.)
POOR LAWS ADMINISTRATION BILL.
On the order of the day forgoing into committee on this bill,
Mr. G. BAN KES rose to oppose the Speaker's leav-
ing ,the chair. The hon. gentleman proceeded to
complain of the nature of the new commission,
contending that the office of commissioners having been ori-
ginally temporary, their functions might be better and less
expensively fulfilled by an under secretary for the home de-
partment, instead of a new board, the members of which
were to nave seats in that house, thus increasing very mat►
natty the patronage of the government. It was said that
this was the system of Sir Matthew Hale, but the NUMs
of the commissioners spoiled it. By his system the Merl
authorities had the chief administration of the law, is
to a central em.trol far len expensive thattU
It was because they did not choose to trust the heel soar i-
dea, whom be (lie. Bankers) had no hesitation hi eisakidhl
not deserve such a decision. It was to this CUMIN. Sidi if/ tlr
appointment of • set of men to superintend the operation et
the law who were perfectly ignorant of its working, that all
the difficulties had arisen. Accidental circumstances had
last year led to a great inquiry into the Andover Union case,
but he believed that many similar eases could be found in
other districts of the kingdom; and that iuquiry showed that
a better superintendence would be secured by trusting to the
local authorities than by a reliance on any board sitting
in Landon. By that system of supervision, many
most competent individuals were disgusted and de-
terred from taking pan in the management of the
parochial affairs of their own localities; and hence
many serio.:s evils had occurred from injudicious orders and
improvident interference. He (Mr. Dukes) desired to re-
move the unpopularity which attached to the pr sent system
of poor-law government. This bill, however, proposed a
further continuation of the present administrative system :
it offered no change in any particular, not even
be
a change of the men who were to intrusted with the im-
portant functions of carrying it into effect. If discretionary
powers were given to the local authorities, thence to the
magistrates at quarter sessions, and from them so to
the Home Secretary, it would be wholly b ham
a hoard of busy, meddling men in London. U these
circumstances, for himself, he must say that he
would rather hove the osi.tiag eyeeeee cvnliauerl multi Me
new parliament assembled, for he thought a great advantage
would arise if this question should be legislated upon by
members who came lush front their constituents. His own
constituents saw in this bill no prospect of an Improved
administration of the law, and they complained of the ex-
pense ;of the machinery to carry it into effect. On thee.
grounds he should move as an amendment that the bill be
committed this day three months.
Captain PEC HELL thought the present discussion might
soon be brought to a close, and the progress of the blligtenalp
facilitated if the noble lord at the head of the govenuaset
would answer the appeal which had been made to him, and
would declare that the individads who bad proved them-
selves to be unworthy of their situations would not be re-ap-
pointed. The hon. member ler Andover (Mr. Etwall)
had abstained from bringing the report of the Andover
committes before the house, under a reliance that the
noble lord at the head of the government would carry
• meseare which would have the effect of removing the
present commissioners. The bill, however, perpetuated
these powers for tree mare to come, and he agreed: with the
hon. member for Dorsetshire that this was a question which
ought to be left to the decision of the new parliament.
(Hear, hear.) Hs hoped the noble lord would mu an
assureses that the present authorities under the Poor-law
Act would not be continued in office ; and if so, the sooner
*hit passed the better it would be for the country.
Mr. W. MILES said he felt bound to avail kneel( of the
ty of tendering to the house' as behalf of Mr.
Lees:inat=, an exculpation with which Cod ratisaum
hod fessished him against the importer whisk hid been
opt upset him is the course of the Iset slebste ea tide gar-
con. beck by the noble lord at the heed et theiremenst
• and by the right hon. baronet tha swabs' ihe Ithiebeare
(Sir lams Graham). Though he Maned from Mr. Clod.
wick ea may points, still ho mom mattt he did not
brier thin • existed a man of more dent mind, or
or who would mare sightly slier arge duty in any ea-
rthly. Mr. Chadwiek seroaft felt hart at the ter nor
met even him by tile high aelmrt r already &laded., as ,
reperfed in the Tries, he side\ Mora/ aim meths bed was
molted to have mid, that had.bois formilerly Famed
that there erred In therms** a empire
The SPBAKVit laterpred, and said the Isere. camber
we quite or et coder in modbig that which impend to
he • /err ecotherneweAshees
• NC. WAIMM begged robs, bat thought, when the
=rera the thelitsaliesof eltareeters of en individual
ead been narileel, hs Wahl bo remiteed r do so.
lord J. RUSSELL meth the bow. "maks issa,gnite at
ito reed say retetellea or eaMdpeliss with which
ib
hie= has. famished by Mr. Chadwick ; to that be (Lord
J. Ruatet) Asia set object.
Mr. W. MILS/ resumed, end said he should content
himself with stadag
_thee the impatations cast upon Mr.
Chadwick by the rah thei pad iv the right hon. baronet
(Sir J. Graham) aserated this—diet be (Mr. Chadwick)
had seently madenrossi the areder in the department
with whisk ke was ceoaseteds Maths had thwarted them in
the execution of their duties ; anethat he had done so i 1
comequence of personal disappointeskist. To these charges
Mr. Chadwick had given an answer, denying their justice,
and adding I. corroboration a letter from Mr. Nicholls, the
senior omandseioner. Both these documents, which IMO
Tay lengthy, the hon. member read to the booms at length.
The letter a Mr. Nicholls wholly exculpated Mr. Chad-
wick from the imputadoes eon upon kis character,
end bore testimony to his efficiency so a public officer.
He did not think diat,'with any regard to public opinion,
tha conuninion mild have been tenger continued on its
former footing ; and ha entirely approved of the principle
of having a responsible poor-law conalakeioner in parliament.
Lord J, RUBSELLwouId teketbis opportunity of stating
his impeanion with regard to the conduct of Mr. Chadwick,
whose abilities he greatly respected, and whose reports he
highly estimated. He questioned not the general respecta-
Wity of his character, err. the general integrity of his coo.
Mr, but he did question the propriety of his conduct to-
ner/OM pour-law comminioners, whom be was appointed
tornoss suretary,hoth as ragaeded them and the Secretary
of Sales That apnoea had been farmed, not on any repre-
hend* to him, but from an attentive perusal of
reilh ellansestee before the Andover Union committee,
gegulear Mr. Chadwick's evidence. Mr. Chadwiek,
os essestary to the commisnoners, wee bound to carry
IMO taint their orders ; to represent to them and to the Se-
=set State any practices which be thought to be at
with the intention of the law, and which prevented
=ot the pre la the manna prescribed, On mere
NMI. he Ind made ouch representation, and
altiq hianligiNaiteMin. But the question was not as to
• sight we mesas pstat on the pert olf the emendsdoners,
bet wbetheveisey we. esossientionsly Metalling their duty
trandiaps.plrneTtl sum. of a
fit edyftngr *Ch:lrling it atMa-
In Ids
evidisies before the Andover Caen committee, stolid
les had advised Mr. Parker not to snake certain Tepee.-
atmellineede the conuniationers, which would throw on them
lbeerpenehility of acting, as such representation* would
be well rewind, and would excite displeasure. And,
he said—" It is the feeling in the office that repre-
sentaiions of that sort, importing the obligatlon to ac, are
distasteful, and are not well rewired."" By the feeling of
the office, I mean the feo.inx prevalent among the assistant-
commissioners, end stated by them to me." This was to
charge the commissioners with declining to examine cases I
of abuse, with wilfully shutting their eyrie to illegal }me-
tiers and Oman, and visiting with displeasure and di.favour
the assistant commissioners who made such rept sentstiona.
This was a very grave charge. If Mr. Chadwick believed
it he ought to hays made it • matter of complaint to the

NING,

I, 1847.

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Bele Senetarykif llet, iiirdsoulei bus smiseviesed to
dolmas the Milks of the ,tienen* immiselelsors. fineh
seethe course hi 004 to
_have paused; lot to of
le the velittest eolellediomm time their eepresentatkins of
elms wadable. visited with slispefersree diet was einelely
uadermining the einenehilleeelke ogle* *whom he wes sea.
and the Idled dusk emoted snuck have boo to
=4.Wed *obey the eoroolodee. After the divides on
the monal egoiller gab bill it nes enateenely tersteriste
dm Mast by the • hem. seminar for Doredshire
(ILrri:=), sad he hoped the bun would now arrasset to
me kite ememinee. Bat if seething further could be sad
tithel."...esteLeendthseettr""Mr. tlesibriek h,eitendwasc"fietrithltten.l"dit ghouls;
Sir J. GRAHAM said ha had not had an opportunity of
stance his spieler on this bill on the ensond reading. He
dithledblintbuthatkinathegruestoiDe.o".tesemessonetthiTir.welagilimbbilicolentulLodurebo..Dpripriftgalialuinedypremtoariia;minummet:"l"itur
je.towgf
miliego a din
serstiay with regard to the popular feeling,
WS sir the esergoot test that could be applied to it. He
bad a dame for Mr. Chadwick: he was a man of
high eidity, LIV, on many occasions, rendered great sin
The tie des pabkie ; but with respect to the poor-law tom-
betresd".lo.o.g.yed:..,,p-ititrue.mimiany..beeerritin"h.
wuTfuahftohertuearpimpontetiourm2;mntumoidf.jobMaord:
had been displeasing to Mr. Chadwick ; and, in 1841, the
most serious nusunderstandings existed between Mr. Chad-
wisk end that gentleman, who was then the only commis-
sioner treamedag business in Leaden. Soon after, it won
ii name an additional comraissioner ; Sir
= Biel was appointed ; this resolution was
diwiesehet to Mr. Chadwick ; and the misunderstanding
with lii. Lewis extended to the new commissioner. During
the whole time that he (Sir J. Graham) remained at
the komeoffiee, there had been misunder.tandiugs deeply
seated sad seastantly in operation between the commissioners
and their smeary, which were injurious to the eublic ser-
vice. To he diamined Mr. Chadwick would have been •
measure of extreme severity and not consistent with justice,
for he had, on many occasiocs, conducted inquiries with great
ability, and bad discharged his duties st.is .icturily in con-
nexion with the poor-law comminion. Then came the An-
dover inquiry, when the feeling of ill-will against the mm.
missioners gave a colour to the evidence in a way not
consistent with public duty or the proper service of the
public. The continuance of Mr. Chadwick's connexion with
the commission would not be advantageous ; on the other
hand, the deprivation of his services would be a serious loss
to the public ; he, thereiore. hoped, that he might be use-
fully employed by the government in some other important
situation.
Lord COURTENAY, as c4aireman of the Andover Union
committee, was anxious to state, in justice to Mr. Chadwick,
that none of the evidence given either by that gentleman or
other witnesses, led him to the conclusion that he bad been
guilty of anything like undermining those under whom he
was employed. Mr. Chadwick had b:en before the commit-
tee three days; his statements had been tested by the evi-
dence of other witnesses! and he (Lord Courtensy) was cue-
Tinted that his conduct in the unfortueate position in which
he had been placed, had been marked by a sincere desire to
do his duty, and to cause the principles of tee pour-law to be
carried into effect. On two occasions, once before Mr. F.
Lewis, nd* once before Mr. G. Lewis, he had brought for-
ward 'the very objections which he had stated betters the
committee; consequently, there could be no ground
to accuse him of unfairness. The Goble lord (Lord J.
Russell) had charged pima with seeking to undermine
his superiors, and had cted in proof, his advice to
Mr. Parker ; but, admitting even that he had not communi-
cated his impression to the secretary of state for the time
being, that was Dot sufficient to support the charge against
him. He (Lord Courtenay) had no acquaintance with Mr.
Chadwick but from the evidence be gave before the com-
mittee; and he was convinced there was nothing in that evi-
dence to justify the impression which had been, somewhat
unjustly, made public concerning him.
Mr. CHRISTIE said the noble lord at the head of the
government would be the last person to do an injustice to
any one. Still, he thought the noble lord had drawn rather
a harsh inference from the auwers of Mr. Chadwick which
he had cited. Mr. Chadwick had merely advised the assist-I
ant commasioners to abstain from nuking complaints, on
the ground that to do so might be injurious to their own
intesesta. Such complaints would require much evidence to
substantiate ; and, couidering the fei lingo of disappointment
under which Mr. Chadwick was said to labour, it was not
suhurs„.pstowrisiirewoothin...g.veohounnethat ha,emyto...should not have communicated his
impressions on this subject to the Secretary -if
State. Considering all the circumstances, it must be
admitted that these feelings of disappointment by
Mr. Chadwick were not without justification. lie had
been first employed as an assistant commissioner, and after-
wards as a commissioner of inquiry. On his reports mainly
was the new law founded, and he was largely entrusted
with its preparation. Lord Brougham, in moving the second
reading of the bill in the House of Lords, had expensed the
greatest admiration of Mr. Chadwick's talents. Tee bill
having passed, Mr. Chadwick was appointed secretary to the
commission ; and most people might think that some feeling
of disappointment on lila part was natural at not being
appointed • commissioner. The same feeling might na-
turally be excited when he was afterwards twice passed over,
on the appointment of new oomminioners. The right hon.
baronet opposite (Sir J. Graham) bad declared that he wee
aware of the misunderstandings, which existed for five years;
but that he ahmiht rat helm schriaol Mr Ched.......10, al.
maul. Neither had the commissioners themselves thought
proper to dismiss him; the obvious inference being that Mr.
Chadwick had not laid himself open to such a course. Be
rejoiced at the testimony which had been borne by
the right honourable baronet and the noble lord at the
head of the government to the character of Mr. Chadwick.
It had been said by the hon. member for Wolverhampton,
that he put a question to a late poor-law commissioner as to
his private affairs—he suppmed Sir Frankland Lewis was the
gentleman referred to. hatT was quite • mistake, and arose
oat of • misapprehensioe of his question to that gentleman ;
and he hoped the house would consider that he would be the
last person in the world to act in an unfair or ungentlemanly
manner towards that gentleman, or any one else. (Hear,
hear.) After the attack which had been made upon him
some time since by 'the hon. member for Wolverhampton
(Mr. Villiers), it was perham right for him to state that
r. Lewis, the poor-law commissioner, was a brother in-law
of the hon. gentleman, which accounted for his bitterness
towards him (Mr. Christie), and perhaps went a great way to
excuse it.
Mr. VILLIERS—No.
Mr. CHRISTIE thought so, and he hoped it would go
forth to the public that such a relationship existed between
the hon. member and Mr. Lewis, for the knowledge of such
a fact would deprive any opprobrious observations be might
hereafter make, either behind his (Mr. Christie's) beck or
before his faoe, of any weight with the public; and at say
rate such a consideration would prevent him from waking
any future attacks upon himself which the hon. gentleman
might indulge in. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. VILLIERS said, if there was one member of that
house more than another whom he should moped of making
rash statements, or doing what other members would not
do, he begged leave to tell the hon. member for Weymouth
edr(uthe
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was going to do so.
Weymouth had expressed his regret that he Ind does it be-
adverleady—(heer, hear)—and had made a Mad
apology to him (Sir J. Graham); in seessosenes tt=
he had said that he would never refer ti the tedtee
Mr. VILLIERS had certainly not forgetter der rt..
member ten months afterwards had stated that his disat
had given him the information, end left the mee if le to his
discretion, and he thought the Act of the lee. gosthmen
having availed himself of it, soar nab CIMMENSOMM, testi-
fied the observation which he (Mr. Villiers) bed Norte, diet
the hon. gentleman would do that wbisit sue other member
of that home would think of Mee. Ms bus. gentleman, 1
as the Andover committee, put this question to Sir P.
Lewis, " What were the Tenements you made with your
son, who sarreeded you ? '
Mr. CHRISTIE—No, I did not.
Mr. VILLIERS wished to know whether the hon. gen-
tleman would deny that he put a question to that gentleman
Mr. CHRlSTlE—Certainly, I did not.
Mr. VILLIERS said it was so stated in the public papers,
u he could easily prove.
Mr. castsTl&--It is untrue. (" Order, order.")
Mr. VILLIERS—The hon. member made use of strew
language, but he was the last man who should do so. How
dared he say it Was untrue ?. (Load cries of " Order.")
The SPEAKER said both the hon. members wound
of order : the boa. member for Weymouth in making use
of the weed " untrue ;" and the hon. member for Wolver- '
kr.in using the expression " dare." (Hear, hear.)
C.HRISTIE did not impute any intention of untruth
tithe hon. member for Wolverhampton; bat what he meant
rig was, that the newspaper report to which he referred
a he
"as the house iseenmeared,thoetfthri,n)k he ought toiag:dtosi.heirrts i:::hl,thrad:tnin.owasf...;:dh ati
itregar rate Sir F. Lewis was what he (Mr. Villiers) had
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Oawait Etes -*
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011. soiledol that the entire teapot
shoats he wow ila twe olkole—st aseretory of state for the
paerlsw. wail& eel tem nadir aessetaries, the of whom
AmldheelloWetosltlsShe a(Cwisawas.
Ws G. GMT sowideasd that ielles oewtosi would be
ausared by the arraaesawastel dia MIL
The &ow was thew as voisderesteleive.
Oa clause 12, eblth provides In die tut,
requiring minutes of the posseedlags of the board to kept.
Mr. HENLEY *awed that a record of the preasediWgs of
the board was nee. wary to prevent abuse.
The ATTORNEY•GE2MRAL held that the responsi-
bility would pratically vest ooe individual.
Mr. BANKES contended that, if there was to be a board
at all—and the goversuiteet had previously explained that
there was—it was necessary that a record of its proceedings
should be kept. Ile should take a vote against the clause,
in order to test the real meaning of ministers as to whether
there was to he a board or not.
Lord J. RUSSELL supported the clause.
After a convereation,
Mr. HENLEY moved the omission of that part of the
clause which repealed the enactment requirieg any record or
general report of the proceedings of the commasioners; upon
which
The committee divided—For the clause 6.5
For the amendment
The datum was then agreed to.
On clause 14, "Rules to be signed by three commissioners,"
Mr. HENLEY and other hon. members objected to the
divided responsibility contemplated by this clause.
Sir G. GREY, to meet the objection, inserted a provision
to the fleet that one commissioner should act as president,
and sign on behalf of the rest.
The clause as amended mu agreed to.
Clauses 13, 16, 17, were severally agreed to.
On clause 19, " Appointment of inspectors,"
Mr. MILES objected to the limited number of inspectors
(twelve) mentioned in the clause. The duties of these gen-
tlemen were most onerow, and tbereore he thought that, as
the bill was an annual one, power should be given to the
commi,sienera to uppoint as many inspectors as might be
nece-esry for the efficient performance of the duty. B 7 a
paper in his band, it appeared that one inspector bad, during
twelve years' service, occupied 3 years, 13 weeks, and 2 days,
in travelling alone, having during that time traversed 93,607
miles of the country. (A laugh.) He moved that the words
limiting the number of inspectors to twelve be omitted.
After some oonversation,
Sir O. GREY moulted to the amendment,
And the clews, so amended wu agreed to.
Clause 20 wu pass d, as %ere claim s2l and 24 inclusive.
After a short conversation, on clause 23 being proposed,
Mr. P. BORTHWICK moved an amendment, to the effect
of reducing the duretion of the act from five years to three

years.
Col. STEITHORP was of opinion that the bill ought to be
limited to one year, in order to show that the house had no
&confidence in any body of poor-law cocamtuioners. If it +ere
consistent with the orders of the house to move an amend-
ment upon an amendment, he should move that the blank
is the clause be filled up, not by five or by three, but by one
year.
Sir G. GREY opposed the amendment moved by the hon.
member for Beecham, on the ground that he th ught three
years too short a time for the public to be able to form
anything like an accurate judgment of the working of the
bill. Though it was not intended to make the bill perma-
nent, he thought five years only a reasot.aole time to be
allowed for a hill and perfect experience of the measure.
Mr. SPOONER said that, at the end of the session of an
expiring parliament, they were asked to continue the system
of poor-law adiniiii-tration now existing for a period of five
yearn. He was cure the country would be taken by. surprise
—his own constituents would—by such a proposition, and
he should vote against such an extension. One year he
thought guile sufficient fur the experiment.
Mr. MUNTZ otwerved that, considering hew much com-
missions of all kinds had disappointed the country, be was
prepared to concur with his hon. collesgre, and to vote in
favour of any proposition which should limit the operation of
this bill to one year.
After a few words from Mr. T. EGERTON and Mr.
Has car,
Sir G. GREY explained, that the bill did not seek to give
the president of the new board a tenure of office for five
years. The system which this bill s,ught to establish was
only proposed to be of that duration.
Mr. BANKES said the average of the duratim of parlia-
ments was km than five years. He should have no great
choice between one and three ; but between three and five
there was a great difference.
Capt. HARRIS thought the government htd most unduly
given w.ty to the press with respect to this subject. Either
the time had now come fur abolishing the commission, or for
mating it the law of the land. He should vote for the
shorter period.
Mr. HUDSON also supported the shorter time, and the
house divided—For the amendment
Against it 76-33
After a few words from Capt. Pacmett and Col. SIB.
TRORP, the clause was agreed to.
The house then resumed, and the report was ordered to be
received this dee.
Mr. HUDSON gave notice that on the bringing up of the
report be should move the sub'titntion of " three " for " five
years," in the duration of the bill.
RAILWAYS (IRELAND) BILL--Me 9
o me propose& to postpone the second reading of this
bill till Monday,
Mr. HUDSON objected, and urged that there should be
no further delay.
The second reading was ultimately postponed.
The house adjourned at half-past 12 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-TENANTS (IRELAND)
BILL.

DTVISION on question of the eti;ol7lTit!ding of this tau. Am, 23

Nosy 112.
AYES.

Barron, Sir 11.W.Oothally, Y. le Morrie, D. Serowe, G. P.
Blake, R. J. Ewalt, B. Norreys, Sir D. J.Wawn, J. T.
Bodkin, J.J. holden, I. O'Brien, J. Yorke, U. R
Bowring, Dr. Fltaroy, Ron. if- O'Brien, T.
Boyd. I. Law, Ike. C. It O'Connell, M. J. TELLER..
Castlereagh, Vlahlawlent, H. C. Pocket Capt. Crawford, N.
Collett, J. ll'Cartby, A. Perfect, R. Roche, 24r.
Colvile, C. R. Mitchell, T. A.

Adderiey, C. B. Mak, Q. Hawes, B. Rendiesbam, lA.
Alla, J. P. Dickies:a F. IL Hamm 0. H. Rept a, G. W. J.
Arkwrlght, 0. Duckworth, J. T.lirear, J. W. Rae, E. B.
Baker, 0. Duncan, 0. Hasp"B. Itlchuels, R.
Baring, Hn. F. T.East, an J. B. :Inierrth, T. Rolleston, Col.
Beetack,Lortlo.ternhaa, E. B. Howard, O. W.O.Routilly, J.
Blackstone, W. B.Ferinuo &Hoots* P. H. Bora, D. R.
Bodkin, W. H. Payer, J. ' Halm, O. Round. J .
8010, H. O. Fos,W. Horles„W. B. Rowe, Lord J.
Borthat, P. Forster, It. H. T. Rutherford, A.
Brown, W. Fromm, C. H. MAO. W. G. H.Stymer, H. K.
Browne, Hai. W.Fuller, A. E. hook OW. Shaw, llon. F.
Buller, C. Casten, J. H. lAltawkage, IL Smith, Hu. It. V.
Roller, Sir J. T. Oases, Re Hn.T.Lefiat A. Trelawv, J. S.
Rookery, W.WC. T. Maratierty, T. B. Veneer, Ste W.
Burka, T. J. Oladrtma, Capt. Malawian& T. I tom Hon. T.
Bw‘relld, W. Oaring, C.
Spa, Rt. Hr J. Illitka,lhdigan; F. '47=s: H.R. R.
Car W. H
D.. (Realty, liszoldEift W. Wok* air J. B.
Carew,o, W. Greene, T. - H. Werd,M. G.
Clifton, J. T. Orgy, Sir D. MoieslNA H. WHisrw, W.
Clire,Vticount Orogen, E. Maga. amp. VilagiaitOr,T.E.
Calrlattote, W. Hum, T. P. Mrailw, 2..15. Wadrhouv, E.
Cole, Hon. H. A. Hamilton, W. J. Nom" tat Watorter, Marg.
Corry. lion. R. limileas,l4. C. O'llebe. A. B. Tama J.
Crale,W. 0. Harmer, tllr J. t.str.r.
Dadra, W. Hanwart, CI. G. ClopL mums.
Deakite, J. F. Thor* Bon.CUpt. . Turmoil, H.
I Madam; J. Hoak, A. W. Parker, J.