The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-02 00:00:00

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The Marquis et-111LitIBUilf;e—vii jot—
An tumble address to presinnid IS bar nnissly ke 1101011111 e 01 tolls
nand under the Turnpike nuts as Id Jemmy, 1844,
to the let Jannto7, 1848; die Nib year : with en amount
of *we trusts whle tun In Anima or debt, wham Wang
from loom borrowed wpm tho ssineEts tolls, the Memo doe
thereupon, or Aber *mei. A go das. The onsoot of
money Wool by bleniotrato, ton . lett, to Illastay 11111 ;
&nuptial', Gni your._llB moon et sorer eastaludel Ikea
the h,strway Nile to Mono roods, tom the year UST to as year
Ito; alstinvildne Mil your.

He congratulated the government on having 'headlined
the bill which they bad brought in on this subject. He
thought the agricultural Interest would benefit by the altera-
tion of the intention of the government.

Earl GRANVILLE had no objection to grant the rabetanes
of the Information wbki the noble marquis bad moved for,
but he thought his motion should be modified in some
way.

After a few words from the Marquis of SaLLIIIINT, the
motion was agreed to.
Till WOODS AND FORESTS.
The Marquis of SALISBURY said his attention led been
called to a very logzaper=switieh he found eggineded to
the report of the on the weeds end haste,
end the first thing which 'huh his attention wee the Illea•
tioa of hie own name with reference to a plot of land which
had been leased to him by the woods and forests. The land had
recently been enclosed in the Green-park to make the path
straight, and it was said that he paid en insufficient rent for
it. There were also some charges In the paragraph to which
he alluded, es to some land leased about 30 sae ago to a
Kr. Nash, in the neighbourhood of the nt's-park,
the effect of them being that be bad obtaine the laud at
much lees than its nine. He wished to ask the noble earl
at the head of that &ejectment for explanatiou on the
nutter, presuming it had come seder his notice ?
The Earl of CARLISLE felt very mush indebted to the
noble marquis for the opperhai which be had given his
of sometime' setae end mispoitwowds, net
only with referees* le 'lovely of the soil* solinfo.
bet also as to ear of he mews to width dollar
observations had len ditestei, ma orb neirelprehendeas
had guisedeireandesin Oasethonoset
pronnaent statienailo wee r.811=1.4e1=0.4 swot lonia
is front of the GRIM Part, end Is outiessoe M k entry
la the return woe a agenda mesa tre pieces of Mend be-
longing to ic.dividnele, and the Istoresee usdesvosred to be
drawn was that the rents received were not °sly fee the
plots of ground, but for the house before which they stood.

Now the noble marquis was char;ed 101. 7s. 7d., under a
lease for 99 year,, (or a piece of ground of 36 feet 9 inches
frontage. and the average depth of which was 48 feet. The
Earl ut Yarborough, the Esel of Moira, the Earl of Spencer,
the Duke of Bridgewater, Mr. Simpson Eardley, also paid
rents for pieces of ground there, but none of them had their
how.' built on the strewn property, and the yenta varied
trom 4/. to 1151. • year. The ground so leased was planted
with lilac trees, which added much to the beauty and ha-
grant* of the locality. There was a clause in the leases pro-
hibiting any buildings being erected on the land, and from
these mere aips of groan,' the public received 8001. a
year. (Hear, hear.) With reference to the case of
Mr. Nash the ground forming the east side of Augustus-
street, Regent's Park, containing in the whole about
four acres of grads land, was let in 1818 to Mr. Nash, at
la rent of 6861., but from 18.57 to 1918 the crown would ee-
-1 thin 3,7401. per annum, and in April, 1918, the property
' would fall into the hands of the crown. The annual rent
now received was at the rate of 1711. 10e. per acre, and from
1857 to 1918 it would be at the rate of 343/. per are. (Hear,
hear.) The noble earl then referred to came of leases which
had been granted to the Marquis of Choimondeley, Mr. John
Bell, and Mr. John Burton, and which had been the subject of
comment, and explained the facts, by which it appeared the
writer had beta misinfurait -I in the statements which he had
pet forth to the public. It was obvious that the unfounded
charges which had been made did not implicate those who
were now in office, but he thought it necessary to go into
this explanation in defence of the character of his pre-
decision.

The Earl cf ELLESMERE said he had been represented
as haying a house which was larger than he ought t 3 occupy
—(a laugh)—a matter on which he would not trouble their
lordships to txprese en opinion. (A laugh.) He was re-
presented as paying 691. for the site of the house, when he
ought to pay 6001. It was said that it had been destroyed
by fire, and that he had inherited it from the Earl of
Bridgewater, who had lived much abroad, and of whom the
lees that was said the better. Now, it so happened that
he did not inherit this large house from any Earl of Bridge-
water. (Hear, hear.) Ile might further add, that the
house stood on his own freehold, and that the 69!. er-und
rent was for a piece of ground in the Green-park adj
it. (Hear, hear.) And if the government thought lie did
not pay enough for it, he was willing to pay more. (Hear.)
Their lordships adjourned at sic o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-11untsDAY, Hiscn 1.
The S.zailm took tha chair at 4 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS.—By Mr. I. O'CONNELL, Rom the Roma Wholly
clergy ci Tuam, foe amendment of the poor law, and aigrette. a fax
ups grass Linda—Mr. C. LUSHINOTON Brea Alahleztea, in favour
of erhatmlion to sad of
_J..49I4I,IIMitem_MMIMMIMIs
praying be an alteration is the Toleration Act. . BEMELLEY,
from Bristol, with 7,000 signaturen, in favour of arbltratioa.—Mr. O.
THOMPSON, from Tower Hamlets. against pa clergymen out of
the poor rate..—S@ R. FERGUS. SON, from imaoadrrry, against
alteration in the naligatlon laws.—Mr. SCULLY, frogs Tipperary, for
alteration is the Irish law.—Mr. E. B. BOOM, from the Ring's
County, for an alteration in th^ law of landlord sad Masse in Irelaad.
—lfr. EWABT, from Woodstock, praysn. fur a seduction in the ilts-
ties on sugar and esitce.—Mr. SGRECIOI, from parishes of Ken-
sington and Hammersmith, signed by SOO ratepayers, paying for par-
liamentary representation.—Mr. T. SMITH, from Northampton, in
favour of arbitration.—Mr. CARDWELL, hum Liverpool Shipowners
Amoclation, against alteration in the navigation laws.—Mr. 'TER-
RIES, from Quebec Board of Trade, in favour of protect/0a to British
commeror, and stating that the pstitioa of a contrary tendency tor-
warded last year had been signed by only a small minority of the
board. The present petition bore 39 signatures out of a total of S 9
members.
THIRD READINGS.—BeIief of Distress (Ireland): rim-Glifirdlaits
at Cokes (Ireland); Overseers Citim and Boroughs; Buckingham
Sommer AN.sts ; BUIL

NOTICE OF MOTlON.—Lawurote Art, tower Sm.
woes when the resod reading of this bill is proposed, to more that
it be read a wand time that day els months.

LEAVE OF ABSENCE.
To Sir R. INGLIS. Oft the ground of ill health.
GUIANA AND CEYLON.
Oa the motion of Mr. Hunt, the petitions presented by
those colonies last year were ordered to be referred to the
Ceylon committee.

VANCOUVER'S ISLAND.
Mr. GLADSTONE asked whether it was the intention of
the government to present to the house any papers, relative
to Vancouver's Island", and the chsrter of the Hudson's Bay
Company in addition to those for which en address had been
moved ?
Mr. HAWES had ordered one additional paper, the repott
frau the Privy Council. The series would then be complete.
IRISH POOR-LAW,
Sir L. O'BRIEN said he had voted for the rate in aid in
the Irish Pooe law Commi,the in connexion with three other
resolutions. Now he understood that the rate was to be pro-
posed alone. He felt, theref,re. somewhat embarrassed, and
begged to know from the noble lord at the head of the go-
vernment whether it was or was not his intention to submit
ea entire plan to the house previous to proposing the rate in
aid ?

Lord J. RUSSELL.—The committee has not decided
upon any plan. They have decided upon deferring any (Is-
' oision until they have heard further evidence. What
mean is propose is of a temporary nature, and I mean to
separate that which is of a temporary nature from the gene-
ral amendment of the poor-law.

A few words followed from divers members as to the pre-
sides.e of the more pressing Irish bill, and the determina-
tion was ezpremed by Lerd J. RIINELL that the busineu
should take Its regular course.

S'JSPRNSION OF THE HABEAS CORPUS
(IRELAND).
Mr. B. B. ROCHE had a question to ask relative to six
gentlemen who were confined In Dublin under the provi-
de:ma of ohs Habeas Corpus Suspension Act. He wished to
know whether Were had been any relaxation Is the re-
strictions practised towards them.
Sir 0. GREY replied, that sines a similar question had
been put to him on a previous evening ho had made inqui-
ries, and ascertained the facts of the sue. It appeared that
these aix prisoners had been originally confined on the
felons' side of the gaol, but subsequently, as an indulgent*,
and without any order from the Lord Lieutenant (whir's,
however, was not necessary), they were removed to the
debtor,' side; and the sheriff stated that, although no dis-
tinct pledge was given, a pledge was implied that they should
not avail themselves of the facilities which prisoners in that
part of the prison had to forward communications for publi-
cation to the newspspen. Communications from them,
nevertheless, appeared in certain journals ; and the matter
having been brought to the notice of the superintendent of
the gaol, en Inquiry was instituted, the result of which
was an order to the governor to send them back to the
felons aide. Of the six prisoners, two, it was stated, refused
absolutely to refrain from availing themselves of any facilities
that offered to communicate with newspapers, but the order
having been made fir the removal of the whole, they were
all accordingly removed. It was necessary to add that the
cells allotted to them were the best on that side of the prison,
and in a part where the rules were not so strict as In some
others ; in proof of which, he might observe that he had re-
ceived communications from two of the prisoners, in which
they stated that they had real the discussion' upon the vab-
jeet of their imprisonment which had taken place in the
House of Commons.

TURNPIKE TRUSTS.
Mr. B. OSBORNE inquired whether it was intended to
Introduce • turnpike acts continuation bill this session, in
order to bring under the operation of the proposed general
measure those trusts, including Matylabone and Finchley,
the powers of which would expire in 1840 ; or was it in-
tended to include such trusts is a separate bill
Mr. C. LEWIS answered that if the bill which ha pro-
posed to re-introduce should pus, local turnpike trusts lota
would no longer be necessary. The only way in which go-
vernment would interfere, however, with bills such as The
hon. gentleman referred to would be to ascertain that they
Aid net contain provisions inconsistent with the general act.

Mr. 088011.14 E asked whether in the new bill a clause
exempting the Commercial-road from the operation of the
general act would be ineluded ?

Mr. C. LEWIS would giro an answer on a future day.

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BURDENS ON AGRICULTURE.—MR. DISLkELI'S
MOTION.
Mr. M. GIBSON suggested that it would be very desire.
ble that the house should be put in possession of the terms
of the resolution of which the hon. member for Bucks had
give notice on this subject.
Mr. DISILLELI mid be had already placed the resolu-
tion he intended to move in the hands of the clerk at the
table, and he apprehendril it would be printed with the votes
is the usual way.
Mr. Hi: MB thought it important that the public should
know what the enact terms of the motion were, and, if there
wasno objection, he would propose that the clerk be directed
to mad the resolution which the hon. member for Bucks had
plased in his hands. (Rear, hear.)
The CLIP./ than read the resolution as follows :
That the whole of the Neal tasatkei of the country foe national put.
poses falls mainly, if not exclusively, on real property, premier whit
"Mee simony on the weepier' of lead, milk a manna injurious to
the agrlaotonl inMreats of the eomny said is otherwise highly los.
politic, Wink(); and millet. That as hardship of this appornon.
men, a aggravated by the fact that sem dm me-third of the whole
revenue derived from excise is levied ell e=ltixml Produce, which
is emoted by resent changes in the law lb icmpetitket with the
untaxed produce of foreign countries; sad thee the hone producer
being thus ablated to the buries cf •-hmte,widelt
shpro=tly en.
hams, the prices of, limits the defamed he, Rah a ex-
posed to rewtriotkves which injuriously inlmilia• with theemitnetof
hie teed* sad the exerclee of his haven; sod fist thisbone will
resolve Melt into a emunittse of toe Mole home to take into consi-
deration the removal of the nrimanelle dert*,. the owners and ocen-
*roof real property thus complain, and to • more equitable
apportionment of the nubile burdens.

SUBDIVISION OF PARISHES.
Mr. KERSHAW wished to know whether the commis-
sion the noble lord was about to move for the appointment
of was to be a paid one or not 1
Lord ASHLEY replied that that was a matterentizely be-
yond his control, and upon which he could have nothing to say.
In bringing forward his motion the noble lord said, as there
was to be no decided opposition on the part of the govern-
met to his proposition, he would endeavour to compeer, what
he had to lay within the smallest possible compass. The pro-
=he was about to make neither directly nor indirectly
a grant of the slightest amount from the public
task. Nor would his proposition involve in any way
i *eslightest increase to the present burden of local taxation
ler increase the amount now levied for the purposes of churcii
rate. (Hear. hear.) Farther, he wished it to be understood
that the commission for which he was about to move would
be instructed to respect all vested rights of existing incum-
bents i and that whatever new 1111 should be
made in consequent:sof this ingnity sh come into opera-
don only as vacancies 000nrred. (Hear, hear.) No one
who looked attoaeu=ent arrangement and dist:Aback:i of
the large and parish. of this country could fail to
observe the want cf organisation that prevailed, and
how impossible it was with each arrangement and distribu-
tion to carry into effect any one pert or any one principle of
the parochial system. Such a distribution was not found in
any other department. (Hear, hear.) Though vaaj
tkudes had been added to the congregation,- ;(oa.T.i rel
those who should form the congregation) fa
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