The Express.
London, England, 1865-05-04 00:00:00

I UPERIAL PAULI &KENT.

BOROUGH FMNORM UTKN&Q U.L.I
Mgr asr 'lvan the letessißtMedey,
Mr. modes for the
queetica. BLACK
ned in so ecateoded that tt"firoanu.
ado, was sot es labored right of the par*. If it
were less that to withhold the treading was a de-
grefing pima.* then the burden at that iialikt must fall
epos those beta whom it was withheld. If out of the
6400,000 male adults et the country, only 240,000 more
wee, to be admitted to the tranchise, what would be said
by those who were still exeladed t Why were knead sad
Scotland sob inaluded in the bill? The fact was
that them who wets agitatiag for reform wen sot
satisfied with the bill which lus hosourable Mend had
proposed. They asked that every man who wee not
&Ditty of grime should be invested with the privilege of
the Mathias ; and if there wee reason in the properaitiou.
why these men were right ; but thee his bee. friend
mid the promoters of this bill were wrong. H. (Mr. Bieck)
was deterntioed to vote spinet say attempt to destroy the
eonstitution, to being the °many ion a *Maim where
we should not have the same freedom la speech or in
aeon as we have at present—when we should have no
more that wee permed by those communities where there
was "iv•rill coda e% ar where the suffrage was ou-
sted very low. He was not prepared to mate down to
that which he wandered would be meal to • meantime.
He did not object to all reforms in the state ; he wee sem
sible that in the maim of fine the mschiee moat fall some-
what out of order, Gad there must be *lenges correspoadiug
to the growth of the people in knowledge sad edninticie ;
but for so sweepiag a cheep as this he was not prepared.
He should support the motion of the noble lord.
Mr. LEATHAM said the right hon. gentlemen the
President of the Board of Trade—who, of all
- men in the bongo, he should have sapwood would
lave bent lead likely soon to forget the mom
pot that was made between those who sat above sad
than who eat below the gangway—(hoar, hear) —that
right hon. geotleman bad the other day offered a very ela-
borate apology for the policy of his goverment. and the
gist of that apology was that he suspected then was a
spe-
cial code of morality for ministers, shies principal postulate of
which was that they might ran away from their engagements
with boaour it they could ocly do it with impunity.
(Cheers and laughter.) The right hen. gentleman had
eadeamered to shift a portion of the blame from
the ministry to the people. This was what he said
"He defied thy adminiatratica who bad laid • bill on astable
of the home, however sinearely"—ths hon. gentleman
meant " however iosinthrely"—(heer,)—•' to have receded
been their position, if the great body of electors bad bees
in earnest about keeping them to their promises." (Hear,
hear.) But what was the age of the mprestastative system
—what was the use of general elections at gi—
lt, after having solemnly takes the emend at
the country upon • grave question, sad if, after
the government bad firmed themselves with that verdict
to discomfort and overthrow their political opponents, they
turned round and said, " Because our tergiversatioi does
not instantly provoke disorder, we take it for granted that
we are relieved from our engagement.," said
to the men whose *imps they had abused! " We are re-
bus& from oar promisee because you have hem credulous
enough to place faith and confidence in us, to believe Is
such things as Queen's speeches, repeated manifestoes of
cabinet minister., and express resolurnoes of the House of
Commove; and believing is those easy demonatrations, yea
did not come to the nesse of our oonsalsocie by your
meathes, and of oar honour by your iedimitioe." (Chien.)
The right boa poligonal went on to say:— • By some ourious
combination which be was really at • Ices to unravel, the
Dill had been apparently smothered by speeches and allergia
of things. There had boss delay after delay, until et last
the discovery seemed to break upon the minds of
men in the house that there was no siocerity
whatever in the favour sod support which the bill had
received. They had all got uneasy conecisaces about the
reform bill" The home would agree that that. was some-
thing very lucid and iastructive in what the tight boa
gentleman said. He (Mr. Leathern) confessed that he mall
sot find name adequate-end at the same time within
parliamentary usage--to express hist opinion of this ingot-
Woos attempt to got rid of • distinct pledge.
(Cheers.) Be It recollected the government had never been
relieved from it. They bad not both before the country,
aid they showed no disposition to go therm (Laughter.)
If they were unable to meet their engagement, why did they
sot do what other people did under similarly distressing cir-
ernmetanose—ciall their creditors together, aid take the
benefit of the set ? (Laughter.) The noble viscount, how-
ever, appeared to cherish a positive aversion to what was called
whitewash. (Renewed laughter.) He postponed the evil
day as much as he could, gad possibly he wu right, for it
would be too moth to moms that the people wage disposed
to make things pigment. On the contrary, it would pro-
bably be toned that they did not approve of the fast and
loose performances which the government appeared to have
imitated front the Davenport brothers—performances which
he said bad ended disastrously to those distinguished per-
SODA, by means of an operation which was called in the
papers " arssahin the cabinet." (Great laughter and
cheers.) But the right bon. gentlemen fell back upon the
plea that the people were quiescent No doubt they
were ; but their quiescence was • remarkable end suspicions
the. Were they waiting far • better bill? (Hein, hear.)
It was not likely that they would be very entlingiastie it
favour of • meatus which they might regard as little more
than an attempt to establish within their owe body • eon-
memitive elan. Those whom the bill would enfranchise
were too few, and they were too cantioas to iodides in
any vehement agitation. It was true that there were no
sweater meetings, no great petitions, no interminable pro.
masions, no black flags, none of those paraphernalia which
the right hon. gentleman perhaps wished to me, but which
he (Mr. Leatham) never wished to behold again in England.
The right boo. gentleman said that the policy of his friends
was • justifiable policy; but did he observe what was
nc-
ourrisg? The upper elms of the chimes were, waling
up their minds to cast in their lot with the
humble class of their fellow-workmen, and the
result was that we were about to have the may combi-
nation which could coothin any element of danger.
Radical as he was he could not in this without apprehen-
sion. He thought it was better that reform should he
effected without agitation than by postponing it to a period
• when the demon of mischief might be abroad, and it would
• be better still if, discarding the hand to mouth summit-
time of expudiescy, they should achieve the incorporation
with the body politic of the working classes whoa no agi-
tains was compelling than. The quastioe, however, had
bees pcetponed almost in the hops that the thooeaads of
intelligent working men, surrounded by everything that
could suggest to them the advantages of the political from
eldee, would be °outset to remain as long as those above
them pleased to leave theca under the banner of their dis-
trust. (Cheers.)
Mr. LOWE contended that timbal would satisfy nobody,
that it was a most dangerous step to depart from the rife
mooring of the 101. franchise, and to east dimming adrift
on the ocean of democracy without chart or compare. (Hear,
bear.) He was not going to make an gassy oaths British
constitution, but be might remark that that consti-
tution was the most complicated the world ever
saw. (Hear, hear.) The elements were intertwined
with each otheri in the most complex piece of political me-
chanism that ever existed. It was well described by Arlii-
toile in his Polities, when in characterising a well regulated
state he said it was one where the middle was strong and
the extremities week. (Hear, beer.) Were they to throw
sway or to risk this substantive form of government for •
democracy like that of Amanita ? A democratic form of
government might have suited Greece, or Magna Green,
but in the present state of the development of England to
eak the boom to make a step to • democracy was the
strangest and wildest proposition ever broached by man.
(Hear, hear.) Nor was it to be supposed that because de-
maguey succeeded in America, it would succeed io
England. (Heir, bear.) America had boundless and
fertile land whith carried off the political hu-
mours of the body. (Hear, hear.) There was
plenty of land for those who wished to cultivate. There was
no landlori and tenant right question in America. The
r of the land wee its owner,
sad be triasferred it to
rpteintrity. The wealth of America was due to the bout:d-
iem munificence al nature. The work of man in that coun-
try was nothing in comparison with the work of native.
Compared with the noble valleys of America, the valleys of
the Nile, the Tigris, and the Euphrates were insignificant.
The valley of the Mississippi alone was capable of maintain-
ing • population of 240.000,000. Nothing could destroy
these advantages bestowed on America by the hand of God.
(Hear, hoar.) But here in Eoglsod they bad • fahcio of
labour, they raised • building to an immense height, and,
therefore, it was not so safe or secure in its fonodatioas.
They kW 1300.000,0001. of property in the satiate' debt,
and they Ind • comperatively limited quantity of nod, for
which there was great competition, whereas In down%
there was km trouble la a man's taking as moth as he
wanted than in kicking another out of it. (Hear, hear.)
The prosperity of England depended upon her credit more
than upon anything erne. (Hear.) EVell the government
a America had to pay a high rate of Interest for the money
it borrowed. Looking, therefore, to the artificial facie of
English society, tt Wei far more indispensable that it should
rest on • solid than on popular fouedatiou. (Hear.) Let
not the home be deluded, therefore' that because demo-
cracy socoseded is America It would smooth here. (Hear.)
He solemnly asked the liberal members of the house
to consider well and to review at this serious moment
their own position with regard to this question.
It depended upon them and the coarse they took whether
or !both was to go forth that the perty of liberal peogre e
in this country did not identify its funning with that oar-
Monier form of government which was called demoorecy,and
which never Wei the form of the government of England.
(Hear, bear.) That was the momentous wan which lodised
him to speak me he did ea that caceithe, which perhaps
would riot make his preset seighbosetned plassast to kini.
(Laughter.) He looked ea the gaieties as me totems pro-
gram and rthregremmlos. They Gould not leak twos
to those who held the views at the workbox eleseas7=
pelitisGl economy wee ao4 the mowed of Adam Smith, tad
whose theorise of yovenonsat were widely Memel trio
that ender which this country had advanced to its mama*
Mats of prosperity, sad ander which *arrived at • 18116.11.111
and Mowed farm of goveremeat. (Hoer.) He eappoweithed
dosaM Iss called sad that Ma wee omi:6B
altogether. (" Bear, lame,' from the )
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thing he wished dome. Re had ..3h• /mina 00s"
&Moo in the progress el seeleey Be the septicaemia
of sound priselplisi to its illeeelopmet. (Hem. beF.)
He bad the greatest outlaws. in the progress of mankind
and k the Shur of the Howof Camino to promote that
of
sad it wu becalm ha believed in the amelioration%
of maa's desks/ that Ise would sot remove that destiny
from the outrol of the property, the latelligeora, and the
education of the musky, sad hand UMW to MN& 'rho wale
et asesseity esestantly oesupled the straggle for life.
He hull, cenfeesed that he was anxious to raise the gnaw
doe, if hi meld, oat of the did
slough in which it bed of
li lete
yeas lees wallowing. (Ories of- " Hear, bear.") e
mot wish to say anything offensive to any mu, but he was
skit sad weary of amiss the way is whkh the subject had
bona dealt with. (Cheers.) The way in which the
two great parties in the state toned the quakes
a
frees one to the oiler—(arise of "hear, bear")—put
in :skid of nothing ao much se of • you( kay tad • eoull
gutiosma playing battledore wed ahottionek who would
kook the shuttlecock from owe to mother for a few NOM,
then drop it and bum to flirt. (Cheers and laughter.) The
great liberal party knew their own Isuabsess • grebe dui
baker than he could know It, but he sutured to millet
that if they linked their fortunes with the foetuses of de.
mousey, as wee proposed by, the preen) emenr•—if they
gave their adhanmos to the bill, they would not fail el ass
or other of two things—if they failed in corrying a mum
of the kind they would ruin their party—if they easesmied
in carrying it thee would ruin their country. (The right
boa. gentleman resumed his seat amidst vehement sad leag
protracted cheering.)
The LORD AMMO/TX and Mr. B. 011101111 MO to-
gether. Mr. B. (Abuse gave way, but the Lord Advocate
failed to obtain a hearing in oonsequelos of the general and
(motioned calk for the hon. member foe Lbkeard. Finally,
the right boo. gentleman maned his seat, and
Mr. B. OSBORNE pointed to a few anomalies in the dia.
tributios of the franchise, end ask whether such a stets of
thins should be allowed to continue. Aberdeen bad 3,586
regime& eau& and met Gee member to parliameet ;
bike bad 269 registered voters, and wee represented by two
members (Hoer.) Lambeth, with two members oil , bad
25,000 registered voters ; Marlborough, with 236
Including two freemen, bad a like number of men&
begs u Lambeth. (. Bow, hear," and " Qoastioe.") Caine
—llaughter)—had 173 voters, and sent owes member to per.
Umlaut, the same somber as Salford with its 5,100 votes.
Parterliegton bad 99 voters and am lumber ; while
the Tower Hamlet*, with 31,000 voters. had oily
two ambers. (Questioe.) He wee dealing with the
question—Hwy, bear)—and he belted, wee the hones
td with that elate of things ? (Opposition cheers.) Hee.
pails:ben opposite were satisfied, but did they think that
lb. sentry would be content to see such anomalies perpe-
tuated ? How many bills did they think bad been brought
'forward on the subject within the kat 14 years I No fewer
'than flee, and none of them proposed to
tight frenekies
Ikea than Si. in borough& The bill of the hoe. guile.
lieu opposite, with all its faults, might have bun made a
I most excellent bill. (Hear, hear.) It contemplated a sae.
kip-bank franchise, sad the doing away with voting•
papas in commies, and what bad been oar dzi22-
theuauger policy ? (Loud ppm:cities cheers.)
the liberals, would not have the bill of the 's;;
, hoe. gentleman, and they would not briog in • ream
I bill of their own. Now, although he thought the present
time most inopportune, still be believed that no true Irked
of reform in the country could refuse to support the f reg.
mentery measure of the hoa member for Leeds. He was
aware that it was impossible for an independent member to
erupts socesedully with reform, bat until they bed a
ministry who were prepared to stake their term of power
'upon the quake°, they should support a measure such as
the presset, however fragmentary it might be. (Cheers.)
Mr. GREGORY moved the adjournment of the debate.
(" No, no." from the oppositiort beeches.)
Mr. AYRTON ssid it wee quite neeeeeare that the home
shonld have the sentiments of her Maresty's governmeet
upoo this question, sod no doubt several members of the
government would like to give akimbo• to their seal-
meat ; and is be thought it wu probable that hoc. gen.
dump opposite would be glad to hear them, there must be
an scljouromut of the debate.
Mr. W. E FORBTHR quits *greed that the house could
hardly do otherwise than adjourn the debate, and he
thought the government ought to give every facility far the
resumption of it. It envoi merely the Tustin of reform
which was before them, but the esaditet of the government
in the put, aid what it was to be in the future. After the
debate the house was quite in the dark as to the seek-
mllolll of the goveromot, as no member of the cabinet
had rises to speak. On that ground slue he felt sure the
cabinet would feel themeless bound to agree to the ad.
jonromest, is order that they might give a:premien to
their sentiments.
Sir G. GREY said a member of the government, though
not of the cabinet, did rise to speak, but as it was not the
disposition of the house to Mrs to him, he (Sir G. Grey)
advised him sotto attempt further to proceed, as his speech
would be only thrown away. As many members wished to
imams their views thus was no alternative but that the
debate should be adjourned. But he could say nothing of
the day for ramming it. No doubt his hon. friend, the
member for Leeds, would be able to find a day. (Loud Mee
of " Oh, oh.") In the absence of his noble (need at the head
of the government be could not pledge the government
to give s day. (Oh, ob.)
lir. DISRAELI thought that, regard being hd le the
eirournstanees under which the present government bad
come into office, they were boned to give a day to the
adjourned debate, and, if ueoeesery, other days comm.
livel
After ems disemsion the motion for the adjournment of
the debate was agreed to.
The propriety of the day to be named for the reseals/foe
of the debate subsequently led to an animated conversatiou,
opinion being divided between Friday sod Monday out, sea
eventually the hour for adjourning all debited mattes* (a
quarter to 6 o'clock) arrived and the Speaker stopped the
discussioo. The result is that it stands on the order-book
for tonight.
The other business was disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at son minutes to 6 dela&

METROPOLITAN DISTRICT MUSZITIEL—The Lord
President of the Omanil has died Saturday peak at twelve
o'clock, for holding a anaemic* with those who are in-
terested in establishing metropolitan district mamma.
The meeting will take plate in the lecture theatre of the
South Kensington Museum.
Tag BANK OP ENGLAND AND THZ WEEP LONDON
laricersiat Exarsmon.—The extraordinary pen and ink
drawings which have attracted special notice In the West
London Industrial Exhibition are now the snbjict of is ow-
reepoodenos between the governor and company of the
Bank of England and the committee of this exhibition.
The pistares (three in number) represent, grouped together
in well arranged disorder, the Ilhatraied London Nem
PincA, Yee, the London deity papas, cards, envelopes,
cheques, Bank of Eaglaad notes, &a., the wonderful um.
racy of which must be seen to be appreciated.
The introduction tthe Bank note is, however
nada the ground of • claim " that the picture;
be delivered up to the Bank authorities under the act Via
25 and 26, c. 98, sec. 17, whereby it is roads • felony to
make or engrave on any plate, wood, or any other material,
any words, numbers, devices, characteristics, or ienameota,
resembling any part of a Bank note, or to have any paper or
other material on which there should be such impressioe f
the putting in form the petal clauses being threatened to
ease of refusal. The official reply contends that the treat-
ment of the Bank note in the pictures in question dose not
come within the meaning of the act, and thus the matter
stands at present.
CRYSTAL PALACC AND SOUTH LONDON JUNCTION
RAILWAY COMPANY.—A Ma:saline, meeting of the MO.
;Nieuwe of that company was hold yesterday at the offices,
Victoria Station, Pimlioo ; Sir C. Balmy In the chair. The
following bill, now pending in parliament, awaited the eon-
sideration of the shareholders:—The Loodoc, Chatham,
and Dover Railway (No. 1) Bill ; beteg a bill to authorise
the London, Chatham, and Dover Railway Company to
make connecting railway; and to widen parts of their
existing railways, in Surrey, and to acquire additional
lands ; to provide for the abandonment of a railway Inaba
rind by the " Crystal Palace and South London Jutiotios
Railway Act, 1862," and tor other purposes. The Chair-
man said the meeting was held pro forma, as the bill had
not renamed through committee. He would therefore
move an adjournment of the proceedings until that day
week, when he hoped they would be in a position to sib
the sametioe of the shareholders to the resolution which
would then be submitted to them. The motion was agreed
to, and the business oonoluded.
WISLIYAN EDUCATION.—Last evening the mini-
meeting of the supporters of the Wesleyan Day
701:2 and the Westminster Training College at West-
minster, in connexion with the Wesleyan body, yes bed
at Centenary Hell, Bishop's:ate-street. Mr. J. Smith,
LL.D., presided ; and amongst the reverend gentlemen
present were J. Scott, principal of the Normal College,
Dr. °saws, Dr. Jobson, and several other leading members
of the Wesleyan body. From the report it appeared that
during the past year 23 new schools bad been established.
and that the outlay bad been 20,000 i. There had been a
loos sustained by the society to the extent of 6001. a year.
121 students had been added to the society last year, and
it wee a gratifying fact that all the students sent for
exemiostiois had passed. The attendance at the day schools
during the past year bad been 82,333, showing an amass
of 2,351. There had been • correopoeding inereses in rotor.
ones to the attendance at the Sunday schools.
Tae GREER COMMUNITY TN LONDON AND THE
ASSASSINATION or Ha. Lmcoue—The following letter of
eondoloses has been forwarded by the Greek oonunnetty is
London to Mr. Adams, the American minister :—" We
the •oodersimed merchants and others of the Greek nabe
resident in London, have beard with the profoundest
et theorise assassination of Abraham Lincoln, the
of your great republic. When we ourselves were struggling
for our freedom against our *potation no patios was Ml*
generous in its sympathy for oar eases than the great free
republic of the west ; gratitude, therefor,as well as every
feeling of humanity mile apes m to express to year ildosel-
limey, and through you to the people which yea is worthily
repretent. the Moose feelings of horror and abhorreeas
with which we have hoard of the unprovoked and sumo,-
esdented crime. and of oar einutmeed heartfelt wishes MEd
pram; far the Mere well lam and preeperityTeuliE
gmat aed elorioesiseple." The aeamese Wens the
bum al A. A. firm of A. Billiard 00. ;
J. Belli, S- -

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