The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-13 00:00:00

THE EXPRTSS, FRIDAY EVENING, JULY 13, 1849.

the report of the committee. The question was simply this. The '
hon. member ter Montrose said it would bee (treat advan-
tage to have the report of the select committee bef ore them,
and he, on the other hard, c entradal that as they e old not
have it until Saturday, the short time that elapsea lestwen
that and Monday ood:d be of no sdventege, cn.l that it was
better to defer till next ye ar any Ines discussion upon the
estimates. He therefore ehnueht that he was fully jusofi d
in the course he prop teed. The boa. member for Menthes
ter teemed to steppe's that be had Made • clang,
against members of that house of unnio madly and care-
lessly int•rposing obstructions to the puOlio business. He
ad u-eade no such charge or imputation spinet any party.
On the contrary he w 11 very glad to be able to acknowledge
de et, throughout this session, the members of that Louse had
shown every dititoUthn to tear sat fairly the business before
them, au i that when ceraln liminess hid been flied by the
government f•r certain de's, they bad g nerally proceeded
to the enesideretion of that business with a view to expedite
it. (Hear, bear,) Wieh re earl to the bus;ne-s which now
road for discussion, thinking that the government had been
right In the course which they had pursued, aid that it was
inspoosible to divide ou it at that_ hour of the uight—after
the whole evening had Wen taken up in debates and divi-
sions, it WU impossible for them then to proceed to the consi
deration of the ordnance estimates. Nor did he think they
should be ebbe to go on i'h the c rdosoce and other estimates
to-morrow everit g lie would, therefore, propose Vat they
should how report prestos,, that thy should take th •
British Mweura estimate, and other estimates on the fol m-
ina evening, and the ordnance estimates on Monday. (Hear,
her.) Ha trusted that the report of the committee would
be then fair:y considered, aod Us et no additional delay woad
be interposed. The tenement:et would then be ready :o
state, as they had now been prepared to state, their vie* ft
on the various items which would come under discussion.
(11:ar, hear.)
Mr. HUME disclaimed any factious opposition in the
courts he bad pursued, end said he sheu!d regret i. anything
personal had tone n from any hon. member iu the course of
the de Late. (Hear, hear.)
The Louse than resumed.

EXCISE BENEVOLENT FUND SOCIETY BILL.
The araeedmtuts to this bill were considered and
grind to.
SMALL DEBTS ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
. . .

Th. cwatruttes on this bill was 1.11,:d for Monda), at 12
o'clock.
In answer to Mr. ORBORNS,

The ATTORNEY•GENERAL said the drilla' I:,r wee-
per sitii.n by r ffierrs of tae Palmer Court would be referred to
the Lords o the TieMut].
JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES AZT (1848)
AMENDMENT BILL.

On the eonsidsraViTZithis;nsendment; in this bill,

Mr. WYLD complained that the mints in Cornwall
were rads an exception to the general law prevailing with
respect to the m:nett in Wales, Der Istiire, Scotland, and al,
parts of the empire. lie hoped a clause would be introduced
into the bill am:fly limiting the ItabLity of shartholdets.

The SOLICITORGENERAL eaid the matter had
already been fully e insider.d ; but as the third reading of
•he bill would be taken on Monday, it night then be further
diacus•ed.

The Relief of D'stress Or hod) (No. 2) Bill, the Lunatic
Asylums (Irelano) Bill, the Petty Bag, Offi tra Amend-
ment Bill, the Lsbourina Poor Art Amendment (Ireland)
Bill, the Commons Inelaenre (No. 2) Bill and the and Im-
provement Amendment Act (Ireland) Bill were severally
read a second time. . _

"ia; iti7w7ateliaol (Dublin) Bill and the Trustees Relief
Bill wars severally raid a third time.
NEW ZEALAND LAND CONVEYANCES BILL.
The seeon.l T.:admit of this bill was rimtponed till Monday.
COUNTY RATES BILL.
This bill parsed throurilt communes.
TITLES OF RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS
(SCOTLAND) BILL.
This bill was react a third lime.
TURNPIKE TRUSTS UNION BILL.
Tbis bill was read a third time.
MARRIAGES BILL
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The eonsideratir Ira .. -- inerTiatentsia this bill was pat•
paned till Wednesday.
CHAPELS OF EASE (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill issued through committee.
AUDIT OF ACCOUNTS BILL.

On the sotios that the second reading of this bill be poet-
paced till Monday,
Mr. GLADSTONE put it to the tight hon. gent. (Mr.
Lob .uchere) whether it was right, at that period of the
tOttioO, to press a hill containing such unprecedented pre-
visions. (Hear, hear.)

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that if the till contained any
unprecedented provisions, aa stated by the right hon. gentle-
man' it must be re colleved that the rate of railway affairs
was also unprecedented, sod required the most immediate
and atringt nt attention. (Rear, hear.)
Mr. MANGLES was surprised to hear the right hon.
eentlemau we an argument ad invirbam when It was well
known that there were pinata coanected with railways au
bi.h character as any in the country.
TM bill was then postponed.
SALE AND MANUFACTURE OF BREAD BILL.
Mr. BANKES moved that the house go Into committee
on this bill, but

On Mr. LABOUCHERE stating that he was opposed to
the principle of the bill,
Mr. BANK ES said he would putpene it for s week,
w►ich was done.
The other orders wrre then dispos...d of, and the house
adjourned at one c;r.h.t.k.

the Ht rpreggs.

right, and the bitter foes of even whig con-
cession. _

It was the triumph of bigotry and monopoly over
liberalily and progress—a triumph w::11 by tory votes
over the par y end the prir ciples of the people. 'We
much 'nista.. the character of Lird Jotter RUSSELL
if he will suffer such things again tr recur even in
absenee. A few more such exploits would soon
do stray all semblance of unity or power in the patty
whom he leads, if not in the mdintt uvt.r which be
presides ; for we do not believe that all who cccupy
seats in that confidential council are prepared to con-
fess their political (hinder on the creed propounded
by the Times.
That creed is this: that a church establdhment is
an instrument of ptlitical power ; that in England or
Scotland it is successfully used as such ; that on no
other footing, and on no other pretence, would it be
suffered to exist; that its minis-era are the pampi red
mutes of govt riment, and are made to tea that pro
me motion is regulated according to subserviency and
abjectness ; that this ed Anal " arm" has hitherto been
but imnerfect in Iretud, tecause the ministers of
the majority of the people are not subordinated
and paid, bat oily the ministers of the minority ;
that it would be better as a matter of police to em-
brace all, and that there is no difficu'ty ebiut doing
so it the Roman catholic clergy would only look at
the thing in a business point of view ; that the pay is
ready whenever they will engage to do tl.c work re-
quired; but that there must bo no reservation or
higgling about faith or conscience ; notbie g but abaci.
late and open control over the catholic church by a
protestant viceroy or secretary of state, is worth the
money.
In the name of all that is true, and pure, endwise in
the heart of Enaland, we repudiate at.d de Bounce this
profligate and Maul ing offer. Were it sincere, it would
hardly have been mule in this shameless and disgust-
ing form. It is repulsive in its very terms, and calcu-
lated assuredly to silence any who, with far diff, rent
motives and ideas, have hitherto striven to advance
their honourable, thougli we think mistaken, opinions
in favour of It men catholic endowment. But
whether it be sincerely put forward in this mode
er not, it is certain that no assumption
ever was more get-undiese than that whereon
it rests namely, that the price of priestly
treachery and baseness is ready, or that the people of
this country will ever suffer it to be offered. When
bat a faint whisper of the sort was heard lest autumn,
whet was the reply given by the country ? Mr.
FITZWILLIAId has probably not yut forgotten, although
the Times pretends that it has.
No; the evils of or.e " bad institution " cannot be
c orreed—they can only be aggravated—by the erec-
tion by its side of another. The protestant church in
Ireland is a grievance which must be abated, and
that ere long; but to create a Roman cc ludic esta-
blishment, as the Times proposes, in that country,
would not abate the mischief, but add to the difficul-
ties and dangers connected with its internal govern-
ment, and to the discontent and degradation of its
people.

How the French overcame the obstinacy of
the Romans, and Induced them hi the very
hey-day of what, far the defenders, was a
most glorious and successful strog.le, to aban-
don the continuance of that struggle, must re-
main one of those myeteties which conjecture will
variously try to solve, until an authentic chapter of
secret history comes to reveal the means employed.
What we know is, that General OUDINOT despaired
of taking Rome with the forces under his ci mmand,
that he prop sod redueng the city by famine, not
storm, and that such was the deepen& nt and alarm-
ing tone cf his private letters, that another general
officer was despatched from Paris to encourage him,
or take his ph.ce.
However, the French have got into Rome. And
the meet urgent queetian is, what use they will make
of their victory ? Toe simplest and fairest plan to
adopt would certainty he to revive the constieu ional
scheme of De Rossi, so as to rally to it a civic
and a moderate party in Rome and in the Legations,
and insist that the Pope should at least grant now
what he himself sanctioned not many months since.
If M. De TOcQVEVILLE have any regard for his
fair fame as a liberal politician, he will insist on this
is despite of all objections, and adhere to it as the
sine qua non cf his retention of office. We tear, how-
ewer, that M. DE TOCQUEVILLE has not the force of
mind for this. We do not deny that the obstacles
are great. Austria and Russia would oppose any-
thing like a genuine repreeentative government.
And Louis NAPOLEON himself, who is, above all
thine', anxious to conciliate the prit chood of Rome
and France, is, no doubt, a kind of legate a Were this
moment in France, to support, not from big ory, but
from dynastic views and interest', the pretensions of
the sac.odetel party.
Awed by amen opponents, M.DE TOCQUEVILLE has,
we fear, shrunk from the purpose of resuscitating
De Rossi's constitution for the Romans, and
has fallen ba^k upon the famous memorandum
of the year 1832. We may measure the full extent
of this teaetion and &giros by obecreing that DE
Rossi vies M. Guizor's c'.voy and friend ; and that
M. DE ToeorEviLLE, instead of keeping up to the
°MOT line cf liberali.y, ree- des to the timid ideas of
1832.
The Journal (lea Delmts and the Times, instructed
by reactionary diplomacy, have c- me out aimultanc-
ously with an commendation of the old plan of the
Italian memorandum. That document was drawn up
in what was for the day a liberal spirit. And
we have heard, though we cannot affirm it, that the
pl in was drawn up by the Chevalier BoNsEN, then
l'russian envoy in Rome. His plan was ts revive the
old Italian municipalities, with magis•rates and town
councils chosen by the te-p'e, such as sarvivAboth in
Italy and in Spain till the French destroyed them.
The municipal councils were to create provincial coun-
cils, and these were to elect a senate, or cmsulta,
which were to consider financial and other matters,
and offer their advice to the Pope.
Such was the timid r form proposed in 1832, and
which, had it teen realised, might have c entered the
Romans. Bat Austria, under the irthonce of the
sage METTERNICH, denounced any such thing a*
po,oilar election, woul not tolerate a consulta, and
insisted on leaving Rome as before under its corrup ,
bigoted, and priest'y misgovernment. The conse-
cp ellen have appeared in periodical revolution.
But European affairs and ideas have much changed
since 1832, and as to M. DETOCQUEVILLE hop'ng that
the Romans of 1830 will be conteeted with the

Convdta of 1832, he befools himself with a most
vain idea. The first step of any sane policy in the
French ministers ought to be to establish some
form of government that will content the Romans.
We mean the moderates and the middle climate.
The Consulta, withmunicipal liberties will nit do this.
For the Consultrt, having only the power to advi.e
cannot combat the eccleeiarical party. M. De
TOCQUEVILLE may say to this that he will insist on
governors and authorities being laymen ; yet lay-
men were so appointed in 1832. And the ecclesiastical
c until and part took care that none of these lay
governors should have any influence whatever—that
no demand of theirs should be listened to, and the con-
sequence was, that the provinces and cities, in a system
where all went by favour. found they lost by having lay
governors, and entreated to have the eceleera.tical ruler
back. The same would be the case now. Without a
representative body, eupperted by popular opinion
and the puss, no lay party in the Roman rates can
hold un against the priesthood. And rather than
strive vainly they will submit, even whilst meditating
the final remedy of revolution.
But the French failing to content the Romans, it is
evident that the papal authority can only be upheld
by bayonet., that is, by foreign bayorets. Tnis
trr-
piirs an indefinite occupation of Rome by the French,
end of the legations by Austria. The French will
then indeed be Om 4oldats du Pape, cleing the dirty
work of police for him, and gaining nothing in re-
turn. But on the other hand, Austria will
gain the Legations. Indeed pubic opinion
in those towns has turned from France to
Austria. The latter power keeps Lombardy
at least from priestly influence. The Au-trians will
ge ant some kind of a con.titntion with the semblance
of a state government to Lombardy. This is even one
of tie c'au-es of the new treaty with Sardinia. In this
ca-e, M. DE TOCQUEvILLE will have nerivided a far
less liberal constitution for Rine, than Austria interds
for Lombardy. The comparison will d.:ve all the
Romagnese to incorporate themselves with Lombardy.
And the result of Loris NAPOLEON'S fine p they will
be to despoil the Pope, give his province' to Atirtia,
and et the same time deprive the Roman II every
shadow of freedom.
Such is the abyss into which M. DE Tocor rtrILLE
is plunging. Austria is petting him on the back all the

' while, and our Austro-English organs here are encou-
raging him.
Of t!te Times and Dtgbats, which abet the
scheme of 1832, the limes is by far the more illiberal,
fur whilst the Dibats recommends the old G1:1ZoT
plan of municipalities, widen are to elect a serrate,
the 21Mee, scouting representative government alto-
gether, coolly declares it a humbug, and that" to en-
cumber the Italians with the political machinery,which
has grown into u e in great and free c mpires, would be
no ither neeful nor practicable." Ltt the Italians, con-
tinues this writer, be endowed with municipal
instituti'ens, such es have b-en wisely retained in
the Austrian administ,ation t f Lombardy and Venice.
Let these bodies manage the et-naives! Let their
peer extend to the administration of just.ce, to po-
lice, to public instruction—bat as to politics, don't let
the Romans meddle with that. In fact, to Austrify
the Roman states, and assimilate them to the regime
of Venice and Lombardy, is the proposal of the Times.
To those who at all know what is posing in the poli-
tical world, it is evident that uo Enghstomin could
hero originated ouch an id-a. It is stamped with
the eagle of Austria. And the merest simpleton
could swear that such were the suggestions, if not the
hand-writing, of METTER:vim and CoLLoar DO.
Bat, indeed, it is little matter what English jour-
nals say—they are too servile t o have influence. It
is as little matter what English ministers thirk.
Parliament allows them the emoluments of office,
bat they have neither power nor initiative. And Al.
l)RouTre na IA tt vs msy return from whence he c eme.
England can have nothing to do with either enslaving
the Romans or setting up the old idol of the Pope, or
making over Italy to An . . We may not be able
to avert the ruin of great at.cl admired nations—we
may not venture to interfere for their freedom or in-
dep. ndence. But we cal, at least, refrain from
making common cause with the ja lore or the butchers
of free countries. We are too old, too poor, and tco
apathetic for resentment. But the English have
still left the feelings of pride and self-respect, and we
must sacrifice both, if we join either France or Austria
in their base treAment of Italy.