The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-06 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, MARCIT 6, 1849.

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the Zeludift;7lll4idall"ag it,
tone at all mane two was great donne lot the people
elheraldnes almagilbwths tieing °nett !Abram. (Hene,besy,)
Lord Been, etlebent say local knowledge, was consulted
by James I. es SD the mode of meeting a nailer difficulty.
As might be expected his "Plantation of Ireland" con-
tained extravagant and misplaced compliments ot the saga-
sity of James. (Laughter.) There were also some rili-
milms proposals in it but on the whole its suggestions were
who sod segmlous. He says "of all things a co:minim is
meet sesseenry—(lanehter)—both to direct and appeal, con-
trovertible and the like." That was to say, h. would not
trust to those particular guardians, to the viobguardians ap-
pointed in particular perishes, who no doubt were willing to
do all they could, bat still were without any influence. He goes
en to my, "the conantheinners should fora ct mein tine reside
in some habitable town in Ireland—(mueh laughter)—near
the minty when the plantation shall be." Then he puts the
answer that he knew would be made by =lnnen and secre-
taries of state. " What need is then of this ex-
pense ? Hath not your Majesty • most excel-
lent privy council in Ireland " Raying been in
'office, he knew that this would be the answer. (Laughter.)
But he says, " Whea I speak of • council !of *station., I
speak of some persons noses by way of lee, nen, see
hough there be a grave and suffichittortindl in Ireland, yet
that supplieth not the purpose whereof I speak. It will give
greater expedition and some better perfection in the darer
tion of the matters to be considered beforehand, if such eon-
siderations be left with those who have continual care of the
cause." That Is to say, be would advise, in Order to avert
' the danger that was gradually advanelag, and to meet the
imminent peanut ails, the Westin of persons by the
VOWS as the best amass st aiding a tanefer of pronettY
constantly with Vistemilia= gnersatesine the
AMMO populate?, demands on au
agent of poor rate-, male. improvements where
a great betty of rasa seeds be sisptoyed, setting
the people to make nee threngh inaoseseMe districts, and
am in the cultivate of that land which wee now thrown
out of cultivation. (Hear, hear.) It appeared to him that
that would ho a batter course than the voting of limited
sums of messy he reaet tronisigthat the hears potato crop
of next yes/ would be butts, *ea the pretteding. (Hear.)
Ile saw so lope but la a trusser of prepsety—that transfer
not tobe effected by Wielded tarter Int by the intervention
of government, or Mae commisdon which *said take the
whole of the dist* end be the means of raising it from
its preset lest se situation. (Hear, hes, ) He
heard great ettitilisse JO the rate in aid, and a great many
were willing to mem hewer& with other means to supply it.
Thom Wen means would be more effectual after he had got
the rats in aid. (Laughter.) He was 'riffles not to exempt
personal propertyi end if the representauves of Irel.nd
considered it would tweet and Our to put a tax en perms al
property as well as Cu sod, he should' bs willing to agree to
that altar he had got the rate in aid. (Hoar, hear.) Whea
he got that, he should then be disposed to listen hveurably
to the proposition which was made by one whose saggestions
were entitled to the utmost respect, from his personal cha-
racter, his knowledge of tolled, and his attachment to her
bit interests—he alluded to the hon. mamba for Limerick
(Mr. litensall). (Hear.) Nay, hs was not sure that he would
not consent that the proceeds of that property tax should be
applied to the relieving them from their present most pain-
ful condition—that was to say. if he had a property tax
now enacted he hoped it would be sufficient to afford them
a proven of extricating themselves from their present difil-
*Mee. (Hear, hear.) If he had a property tax now levied
OS Ireland on the principle of the English property tax, bat
varying the details according to the different circumstances
of the country, he, for one, would not object to apply the
proceeds to the extrication of Ireland from her present diffi-
(lshii', considering the peculiarity of the misfortune
by which she was overtaken. (Hear.) He thought that this
would be a mat useful appropriation of the money.
Ho looked to the west of Roland with perfect despair. He
cared not whether they would be able this year or the next
to raise 300,0001. or 400,0001. ; for he was deeply convinced,
rinks, more vigorous efforts were made to rescue that country
hem the calamities she was now suffering, and the evils that
impeded over it, that at the exolration of those two years
Honda be worse. (Hear, hear.) The habits of seledepen-
dime en the part of the poor would be gune—there would
he hsplowars ant despair on toepart of the gentry. Tte
had weal 'outings uncultivated till it was pertec•ly unlade-
glee mid the ruin would spread unless some vigorous effort
wee made to change the constitution of the 'tenure of pro
poly, emit to have the land improved. If they adopted the
menne di* he pointed out the west of Ireland would afford
an oppereasity for Improvement, which, spiking practically,
a. Mbar geeeter of the world presented. On the other side
elite Atlantic there were large state* rising up in every di-
ngiest, and with the communications cm land by railroads,
sages water by steam completed, there was every reason
why the west of Ireland—if the pore.i nla respect to the
tenure of land could be improved—should be a most prapa
roue and thriving district. (Hear.) He recollected some
lines of a ballad written at the time of the unfortunate re-
bellion of 1798, when men of talent directed their ability and
efforts to spread disaffection and treason, to this effect
When Erin lint rose from the dark heaving hood.
God bleund the Green Island, and saw it was good—
!. sun, and In soil, and in station them blest,
With her bask towards Britain and her bee towards the west.
Her fate was stall towards the west, but there was now an
opportunity of conciliating her affections and binding her
attachment to Britain. (Rear, hear.) It appeared to him
therefore that they had now an opportunity by a new con-
stitution of property—by applying with the aid of go-
vernment new capital to the cultivation of the soil in Ire-
land—of materially improving the condition of that country,
and if they:should mead Ia extricating her from her pre-
sent state of calamity and aft:ction, the means of future
prosperity—happiness for herself and strength to this united
empire. (Load cheers.)
Major BLACKALL said he rose for the purpose of moving
the amendment of which he had given notice, namely, that
ea insome tax of 6d. in the pound be imposed on Ireland for
three years, instead of the 6i. rate in aid. Her Majesty's
had alleged three reasons for their proposition.
Cillallilat at ens, that this tax should be Unposed on Ireland be-
anie Ireland was not subject either to the property tax, the
armed taxes, or the excise duties, all of which existed in
Ragland. The seeming of the first part of the res3lation
proposed by t was, that a sum egad to 6d. in the
rend In out of the union funds. He wished to all
Westin to this feet because in some unions, instead of being
la the pound, it would be a great deal more. The union
la which be resided, for instance, consisted of 16 electoral
divisions, aadwasvallisd at 80,0001. In some of then electoral
divisions the rats was 31. in the pound ; is others it was
7s. 6d. At the suggestion of the vice-guardians, a rate of Is.
bad bean struck in sight of those divisions, valued at 60,0001.,
on the plea that more could not be collected. The re-
innaing seen, valued at 30,0001, would have to pay the
difference ; and the rata in aid levied in these divisions would
be, not 6d., but le. 4d. in the pound. His objection to the
rate in aid was, that it would fall on the tenant- farmers, who
would be exempt from income-tax, if imposed on Ireland,
and who made little or no use of hops or bricks, onwhieh the
excise duties were lova& Neither was it fair to make the
landlord pay half the rate. on his whole nominal income
whilst the mortgagee and the annuitant were exempted:
(Hoer, hoar.) It was • mistake to suppose that any
one mann would extricate behind from her present
diffiesides. Many measures would be necessary. The
I right nes. baronet had alluded to one, the facilitating the
transfer el property. In Ireland there was no difficulty in
bringing land to We but to show that you had a right
to sell it. (Hear, hear) There was great expense attending
the transfer of land in that country. One sale of land to the
amount of 1,2001. cost the vendor and purchaser together
2001. or the sixth of the money, and the smaller the amount
of purchase money, the pester was the expense attending
the transfer. What was wanted to carry out the bill of last
year wee that the title given to the party purchasing could
not be disputed. There would be no injustice in this, be
cause the Court of Chancery would ;see that no land was
brought to sale without a legal right of disposing of it. At
present the purchaser was exposed to the danger of • vexa-
tious law sail. Than the government should encourage the
employment of the poor in Ireland. Arterial drainage would
be exceedingly beneficial to Ireland; yet during the lost
year hardly any prowls had been made in it. He
entreated the government to turn thsir attention to a
number of measures and not to be niggardly.
If they could acrooniplish their olgest without an
advance of money, so much the bulbar ; but, at
all events, let measures be *teething whisk would
avoid the risk of this country having matialaally to rapport
the whole of Ireland in a state if Arterial
drainage and railways had been ear want of capital,
*Webs government guarantee ealanald. Let the
government, then, *ow their esaliissee In the preservation
of peace and the eventoal wive' of prespides by giving the
necessary measity. With rawest es eke praised rate in aid,
he was prepared to take his share of the Iran burden if it
were fairliapportiesed, and if the government would come
forward with such asseouree as he had indicated. The hon.
member coseluded by moving the following amendment:—
" That an auxiliary tend for the r-lief of the extraordinary
distress in Ireland be raised by a rate not exesedieg slzpones
In the pound, to be levied on all property and income in Irm
land above the annual value of 1601."
Mr. W. BROWN had listened with great interest to the
speech of the right hoes. baronet the member for Tanner*,
and believed that if the plan suggested woe carried out, it
would afford the best guarantee for the future prosperity of
Ireland. To this rate of sixpence he could not conceive any
reasonable objection. lie found that instead of the English
nation owing, as it was said she did, the Irish 60,000,0 M., if
the account were fairly and honestly kept, the Irish nation
ought to pay the English 216,000,0001. for interest—(laughter)
—besides 130,000,0001., making the debt altogether upwards
of 300,000.0001. He thought it but just, therefore, that they
should now put their hands In their own pockets instead of
applying to the iadustrious inhabitants of Yorkshire and
Laaceshire, and other English counties. (Hear, hear.) He
would certainly vote for this sixpenny rate.
girl MACNAGHTEN considered the government pro-
real impolitic, unjust, and ruinous to those parts of Ireland
which were not already steeped in pauperism. (Hear, i
hear.) To make the affluent rapport the impover-
ished was exceedingly unreasonable. There was • sees-
ware Wire the house having reference to its insolvent
members. It might save a great deal of trouble if a rats in
old ware levied on the solvent members of the
house to assist the insolvent. (Laughter.) There was no tre-
oedent for the government proposal in this country.
Mr. SCULLY said he objected to the government proposal
on three grounds; first, because the rate would prove insuf-
ficient in amount to secure the object, secondly, be-
cause it would be injurious in its operation • thirdly, be-
cause the mode of levying it would be most unjust. Ile
complained that whereas the government ought to have come
forward with a comprehensive =ante for the development of
Irish resources, all that the noble lord had done was to
propose au additional tax upon the industry of that country.
In relation to the facilitation of the transfer of property,
the opinions of men really conversant with the state of the

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