The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-02 00:00:00

mad permitted to peeks any
.srvice bat thU whisk I
la
elase ve the pulpit= lins22• Anther 'So rigid h
dla , that I mut mit to the
Mi be thibillethe pore of another &Met,
sr
Ihe tory essolved here." It was deer that
Mk es sesemenest NM plass the sinister, in thpeozot
▪ ibo woad sod his singregation, in a
Okk min diesnabie his te dlssWgee eSneetly the duties
sf Ills widen. (Hear, bear.) Another remedy for this
slMaeif Wogs be mid Mask mid be the appointment
Oad • liimft whim dray dreali be to detembse on the M-
den ef these rep sad dam-peopled districts. He
was emisseed that it this sabdinies were Wed* not
wag maid it remove the greeter post of the evils of which
he bat intemine rest senators' besides la Mee
hise eve dm NNW *se of what be said.
*ow the Mein Ming ben imbdiehiso, he maid take
the ease of a rest parish that was anbilivided a shed time
eas smi show the MOM' make pedased in the
aid seed Moans of the people. Up to the time the
',Midden the pmt body eta the MOMS of that perish
wore mho* ills mosts:=s4i: ths meirspons. In
BM the reat pad& ef was subdivided. sot
as he mail with--Inee &Oriels
but fate kerns at at froliailUmato Aysilerh.'
Nevatheleas, great es vras pspaleliss ender Memel
of these inatembents, imported had been the benefits whith
hod resale& hem their Limn (Hear, bur.) He would
an take the wish of lit. Malkine, and comsat its state be-
fore aml 'Ark had bees enbdivided. la 1844, bakes its
eabdivides Wok Leo, it remind • oohs'-nos kr about
140 ehilion. In 1111, ft had aensao4
_finaday, infant,
2ris.and night salsOols, elneng OsMen to 1,100
In 1844 ealy abed 49 tams attended the
chords ; in 1849 the large elmak wee quite fall at night
sad it was exceedingly well sellsmisd in the corning' end
from 1844 to 1849 Share wee balked no hirer than 1,003
ralTof an ages, inn es three score years and
his was nuke M beepirt f with what had occurred
• Mar &Mr, hi It was stated in a report three
at floor yore ago, that is Ashion.under•Lyne an
MOM mete king IIITIT•11, OM pawn baptised in a
kw WON every en of wiessa lealked Mo
ths church for
that passe. In order to show the water advantages which
holism
hie by the saledivides of the oansh of St.
Maffikka. had to state that under the advice sad we of
*dr mama pester, 2,066 perms la humble eirsurames
NOM& es save a mm ef 6131. is that dietrist else ken
Ilami,ad
esnoapperting oesphietheas bel bran est ablished.
• readlegooma7ol she been span& he the Mask of the
=4•SViseri, a view to leihro them to OM' rem
and be snail my hum his
tin Ible sum whisk wash .rem e for t=aglifell
peer wen sigh a essirsorem esd refreshment of
tae end great numbers of am weal he drawn away
from the 'la shop. (Herr, beer.) The sable lord next re-
tard to the par:shes of Upper et. Danstan's.iiothe-
Rset, where similar results had been obtained by subdivision.
He believed that the sub-divisies of parish., and the
introdseden of the parochial erns in all its affairs,
west& go far indeed to moan the problem—" whet
simnel they do with ragged claim and ragged schools ;"
he his opinion was, that if the parochial system were
mild oat f..11y in all our large towns, the ranks of
would be thinned, and sights of ragged.
reassadrZbe maned. (Hear.) The mode he proposed
he isembas out his plea, wu, first of all, the appointment of
• semienue and that cosonsians should be instructed
le isms* all vested rights, such as livings and
inemlnesies, as& to &TIN • mods that should eons into
Zriact at sews bat in parr. They should br fur-
lllliaerisiri le tab the due apportionment of rich and
peer la each Mellid. le make a return of its various chari-
ties and demilabis issilledions, to convert the new church
Meld* Me ea ndsgerlimt parish for all parochial pur-
plish Mike shed,* enable every minister of these die-
dad Menses le be se lairendent to all intents and pur-
poses se any dm or reeler. (Hear, hoar.) He could not
sensed e what objecting essbi be urged to this plan. He
Mad for ao gnat of nblisoassey to carry it out ; onthe con-
trary, he repudiated the Ratios of say such grant. It
might be asked, where were the funds by which
be reposed to endow these benefices, should they
be oxistrocted ? His answer was, that upon the
subdivision being effected some fund might be found
for the =demount of the smaller benefices. The funds to
which he looked were in the first place the existing revenues
that would in some instances be subdivided. He confessed
that he looked with some confidence to the result of the
commission lately appointed to inquire into the church lands
Masse from these lands he had no doubt • very large sum
of monyibt be obtaised to endow the distinct benefices.
(Hear, ben But he also looked to the re fitly stimulated
and incre munificence of the church of England herself.
(Loud cheers.) He believed that the liberality of that
church had never yet been folly tested. (Hem.) There
certainly was a diftulty in obtaining money if you brought
forward a general proposition and asked for a million sterling
to early it out; but if you introduced • specific plan like
the present, and showed plainly the object for which the
mew was to be expended, you would not only raise funds
ahem the particular localities which would be bene-
fits& by the subdivisions, but from other districts like-
wise. Honorable gentlemen must not fancy that
east fends would be required, or that such a number
of clergymen as 6,000 would be needed. The Hoe.
Boptist Noel had called some time since for thessands of
churches to b• erected, and millions of money to be raised,
but the mums of his scheme aopalled the public, and his
object fell to the ground. He (Lord Ashley) wanted no
sub extensive plans as then The whole number of parishes
in this country the population of which exceeded 4,000
amounted to 270 ; and a gentleman who had the most eate-
ries. is this matter wee of opinion that the addition of 600
reato the existing staff would be quite equal to meet
ssigsseir of our present position. (Hear.) Sap
rain he set down each of the income of these 600 misM
ten at MR per annum, a sum of 160,0001. yearly would be
mulled ; sad surely 160,0061. was not too large • me to
ask from the speisat and piers members of the Church of
havengland. (Watt. hear.) Re Wined it was
ees fa Sew,
assesso*
a rang sabevides set to West the °t r
beam a keel rat wash be both evilly sad treahlesem
The amble ISM seasholed by modeg
110 sar homble 'ekes tra mania rinnMae
les Mere% he
egent • emorm M
Wit iddittegmhats
neln ens al
emiedsseseit per di dradzri= nes
wen. fi llala WNW danm the ofpe sesikla ors,
twin am et in MM. of mmiskneseiii not eased
4,000 MIL
The motion baring been eesasied,
lard J. RUSSELL am did he had with
IMO the
deepest Interest to the aBse opts* whisk !Ojos& Mesa ad-
dressed to the hour. lie be that as gas 'sold deny
that the object of the nide mover was one of the greatest
importann and that the sabdielska of redone, and the
g:inof diarists Mgr dromem, would he Mealy to
g the mod IMMO matte Men as Innis' the
meal and religious leetnetka of the peers (Hser,be
With repeat to the mode in which the pin wen to be curled
est, the Mk lerd had slated in the mommeasement of his
epos_k that it woo net his intentica to ask for any public
Mk he the purpose. Hi. (Lord J. Russell's) own opinion
use, that it wish havpeurpose. been sans' to asklly for any
sash fun he that !Mo Km
with theds noble MO that means would be found('
within the church M OM the object, and that if those
mesas did not entireLasse:plish the whole of what his
sable Meat frobed, mild go a seadderable way to-
nne big as is it would be hand that there
me imp mem* be derived from the Mr* nerdy,
Mike the monies which he had advise& the crews to
2:11awIllt Mean to that peoperly, woad bereafer
ble'w these man might be
_Misted available. (Rear.)
Res retest's& On the Mesdrneal osawaraloa, when they)
tad at their Repossl the leads derived km the abolition
of mar issues I. the church, had not dented a
larger peones ei the money to the subdivides of
melons mass do Leaks and the sentry Oriels.
(Rear, hoer.) He re juts' Mew that several evils of keg
=f,essimisserel metterslmil to are. degree ben
by atoll retsina in a form session by the
hes. member tar Remind, (Mr. TOGO); kr that measure
had tad • mod Melloial effect, and was really a step r the
right dissents. He was also glad to sty that the
appuak
ellish had lass node by bishops and other ministers
he
rim* to sellen heads to remedy eerier wane in the
Mises dram is thb matey had bens responded to in a
nemeneblek must be most gestiOrieg to the Misr of every
Mehra amber of the -selehlisbount. (Oloserimia;
Writ Oak nelionlar to the Weds made by the
of Lesion le mind had. to bald sad Maw hags
Mashm ihe the oestrepik. sod by Met the kw sum of
=was ebtained—a- iled that is itself plainly proved the
with Midi the members el the thurch came for-
weal to malrihne M"Mead elnester In other districts,
ry ommy radon= MI Ina kind willing to come for-
' 111001 soa Is ben& sal maim deseshm, in order that the'
ZeTeweeets settesi±aby whom they were surmaded
wen
Memel toad=ithatnelsleillakiestatater sot takes foe
Mae • dow when be said that whoa tha mode was
notralsaarksbifundeldlidi wPormies • great geed "
emilex-
rat be 111100._ Ile did not feel quits
gees the waldenisa mid be serried out to the degree
=lst: MI wadi be wetter of inquiry, and if the
ash not advise a general change, they
went at ell evade mkt • von great boss& by
pepolisplz
at way ermakirside extent to width the pre now
add be adapted. He knew not whet objeatka there could
her the appointment of this enniseion ; and of this he
was quite emiarsol, that every member of the church of
loglaad, and every one who dissented from that church, I
was deeply indebted to his noble friend for the many efforts
he bad merle now end on former ()onions to promote the
Mel, meal, end religious welfare of tho people. (laud
Mr. HUME denied altogether the premises of the noble
led, end ke contended that the planting of churches and the
multiplication of minister would not relieve the difficulties
which existed. He dissented from the plan of providing for
the new beadier, which were peopoeed to be mated, out of
re 41001141 a-rates. Daring the come of his speeds the noble
MO had never mentioned the dissenters, as if such a body of
Olnklioas had no existence in the land or as if they had
YAW made any efforts to improve the spiritual wants of the
lailHe weird to d know what was rent by proper
ligire should be a clergyman and a church for everlapw
lekellants. Amain that 4000 the. might not be Any
of them =Mem of the Church of lie and esald
=sr re COON absurd than to appoint MMenes sad to
abmiles for sink a number ? (Rear, km.)
Better to mks the church more per `ect and abolish those
dkoralities end other abominations that disgraced it.
baskel alms.) Tee, he ferried u abominations all
oh* IkhtM in the Mesh es damns, and he theighl it
Irma be math better for the noble lord to consider the bet
da, of sholidelag them. 11+ asked, was it fair to mat as ai
dive to her Majesty on the subject, and leave out ell mate-
, bees st that extensive and most useful ens, the dissenter ; OS
if imemethei and mile( to the people could only be given to
this threask the medium of the established church and Us

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