The Express.
London, England, 1847-12-08 00:00:00

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jpslidaadasel, and not the souk el mamma=; be wished
est the threw beset a.kpaen the idle of the people, and
Mat Oa the WI let dab ; sod Lay, be wished to
Brad tddllelfthe era. cod set the in of the slave.
amides.arihrspalenerie aesve " That a eel= Oen-
abate leap Vile fessieted report on the moor by
whisk the of the pedement of Imbed was
dead on dream ad= mean apse Uteri and
spot tie labourers to husbnerby sad operstbee I mannfac-
tyres in England; and on that prehable oraseraisems of eon.
tiauing the legislative union Mtwelea the two countries.
Mr. I). CALLAGHAN einaried the motion.
Pir G. GREY was may the hoe. gentleman (Mr.
O'Connor) felt uy ground to complain of Ins (Bir G. Grey)
having pat him In au unfair position by the request be had
made early is the day, that he would postpone his motion
for dm preemie and allow the public humus which pressed
to be proceeded with. But after the speech of the bon.
member, he (Sir G. Grey) could not help thinking that the
hon. member would have exercised a wiser discretion if Le
had acceded to the proposition for a postponement. The
most discreet part of the hoe. gentleman's speech was its
conclusion, when he read the terms of the notice of motion
which he had placed on the books on the first day of the
session. If be had not read the motion few hon. members
who had heard the speech could have conjectured what the
hon. gentleman was about to propose. (Hear, end a laugh.)
The hon. gentleman had, by going through the history of
Ireland, from the time of Edward, shown that, since he was
last a member of that Louse, he had acquired much antiquarian
lore, but he (Sir O. Grey) thought that many of his histo.
rical facts had been combated on a former occasion by the ,
right boa. baronet near him (Sir R. Peel). Certainly the
hon. gentleman had favoured the house to night with en
autobiography from an early date down to the period when,
by the professional services of two hon. and learned friends,
he had been acquitted of charges brought against him. AU
this had nothing to do with the motion, which he (Sir 0.
Grey) could hardly suppose was seriously intended. The
hon. member had detailed the evils of Ireland, but those
evils load ell occurred interior to the date of this Act of
Union, and, therefore, could not be attributed to that
measure. If the hon. gentleman really thought the
repeal of the union was desirable, why did he not,
instead of moving for a committee to inquire into
facts which were already matter of historical record, take
the opinion of the house openly and manfully by moving a
committee of the whole house on the act of union, with a
view of moving a resolution that it was desirable that act
should be repealed. This would be a much fairer mode of
dealing with the subject. The hon. member has utterly
failed in laying down ant ground even for the appointment ,
of a committee, still less for the larger question. He com-
plained that Irish lebourers were interfering with the wages
of the labourers in this country, but did he mean be repeal.
Bog the union to prohibit the emigration here of Irish la-
b3orers ? Jutted of malting so complete a clearance, parlia-
ment ought to endermour by wise legislation, by kindness,
plummy, and justice, to consolidate the union, and by en. '
tenting the hand of brotherhood te make the two countries
still morn closely united. He regretted that the
honourable gentliman should have endeavoured to
make this question one as between protestauts and
Roman catholic., when it had been the object of every sue-
°melee government to get rid of that sectarian bigotry which
had marked the legislation and the government of former
times. (Hear, hear.) Thinking the committee proposed
would be a mere mockery and delusion, end end in no bene-
&lel result, but, on the contrary, would lead to mischief, be
hoped that instead of leading to a long debate the motion
would be at once negatived. (Hear, hear.)
Mr F. O'CONNOR was ready to adopt the appeal of the
right hon. baronet, and at once move the resolution pointed
out by hint in a committee of the whole house, if the right
hon. baronet would undertake to second it. (Laughter.)
Sir G. GREY said he had made no appeal—he had
merely remarked that such would have been the fairest
course to pursue. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GRATTAN said that as the hon. member for Notting-
ham had scattered his shot on his (Mr. Grattan's; aide of the
hello, he bgg dto offer a few words. He denied that his
late father had ever been a rebel, and declared that such a
statement was false. (Order, order.) He did not apply that
to the bon. member, but to the paper he had introdeced,
which contained a falsehood. The hon. member had lib, lied
both the late Mr. Grattan and Lord Charlement. The
charges made against them were base and unfounded. Mr.
Ponsonby and Mr. Grattan were never in the list of united
Irishmen, and though Lord Castlereagh had joined that body
in Belfast, in 1791, to had nothing to do with them in 1796.
Such conduct was unbecoming ; he wished not to quarrel
with the hon. member, but he would fight him un that
ground with the last drop of his blood. (Laughter.) He
regretted to see t lents so perverted, in the revival of obso-
lete animosities, setting one sect against another, animosities
which ought now to be forgotten. (Heed.) Without call-
ing this a claptrap motion, be must say it might tend to
frustrate an object which the lion. member professed to have
at heart. (Hear.) He charged the hon. member with three
or four libels, and he hoped the house would convict bins on
their honour. (Laughter, and cries of " Divide.")
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said he preferred to see this ques-
tion brought forward by the member for an English consti-
tuency. Though he did not think the motion most oppor-
tune, he could not refrain from expressing Me sentiments.
At a moment when it was doubtful whether there would
long be an Irish people to whom to grant a parliament--
when coercive missiles were preparing for that country—
when the rancour of religious animosity was in full force—
such • motion as this was moat certainly ill timed. As to
the first part of the proposed inquiry—the means by which
the union was effected—he did not think it well that these
misdeeds should be utterly buried in oblivion ; to reesl them
might serve as is warning to future statesmen. The means
by which the union was carried were the delft. rate fomenting
and fostering of a rebellion. It was proved before the secret
committee of the Irish House of Lords that eleven menthe
before the union one of the colonels of the United Irishmen,
named Nicholas M'Ouire, was in constant communication
with the government, that after every meeting he studio
neon to the castle to report their proceedings, and that he was
received and encouraged there. At that time the English
ministry had found that the old devicesof misrule end injus-
tice had become powerlen ; the feeling of nati moiety, both
in proteetants and catholic., had waxed too etrong for them,
and the aid teak of sowing dissension and spreading division
mom Magee imeadte. an became necessary, therefore, to
home lieshbei sea rata= whereby the minister sought
to elect hit solleleeel=o* Bribery and corruption were
dee te. Lead Costiereagh unblush-
ingly=tast =if seta= lied hoes expended in this
way, end that use= arse might be necessary. Notwith-
standing the eloquent irmasianons of the late Mr. Grattan
three millions were spent in this wholesale eorruption, and
these millions more in =Wag down the trammed= srlikh
lad =en fomented for tiepin's**. Still the deed wee not
• gra. By a inn men umetiog no damp ioloonee
imesahae were indeed to =lsm their sea= into
whit& wire thrust sad ,arise
odenesed phis= ;
* era thus was the union sleeted. The nand pan at the
asegesed inquiry was armed to the oressaimme of the
isles. Let say sae cob wished to know those ewe=
(=sees look to the patent state of Ireland, its starving
, its mad lam= with famine and everf stalking
• =Me land. Could the condition of the country have
been peetbly reduced lower under any Irish parliament
miliedeemen, than it was after 47 years of imperial misrule ?
Dam the union the state of the country was most pros.
WM. The Earl of Clare, one of the artificers of the
ham whole= kimeidfoompletely to the ends of the British
sommiaredoliodased thee no nation in the world had made
=WEI allailnalla, arts, and manufactu
can tmsoi.tliird
enleral ler imieenaieet legislature. Pitt, Mr Hub-
ble= awl adman, hod avowed that up to 1780 it had been
spyeen sheet sf nit tountry to cripple the resources of
awl eranhitale iM nob and manufactuns. The
pyyt tir =ha heated a mad contrast to that which
it; this was abundantly peeved by the report of
e easenenn. As to the former period, Lord
biamelf,MlBo3, had declared that Ireland, during
ritolala "kraut front 1790 to 1800, had made a progress which
gellenidied Me world. The effect of the union on England
leilwe easther branch of the proposed inquiry. Though
anshall ads= be happy, Ireland would ever be a bitter
deep is bar asp, as long as she wee neglected, as at present.
',bat Innen& whin for relief they were told to rely on
themeetno. ant their complaints were disregard and
bashot M. Ile emateated that Ireland had a right to pee-
miry gelid, la aeee of having been deprived by this
orinery other local mem of employing capital. Prrom a
nalemant of the outgoings of Ireland, he found that the ab-
ated= wale essounted to fire millions; interest cm mort-
Wdee Millions ; for English produce and manufao-
aft= millions ; in all, twenty-one millions,
tha air= only amounting to fifteen millions, leasing
a &sit of in 'Mona Such a country could not be in a
Mate. Then, the potato rot and its conaequencee
MPlab=sil sixteen or seventeen millions of espital ; and
did SO thet esentitute • chitin for relief ? The potato might
be hid to represent a considerable part of the Irish currency;
prima the wages of labour, the rent of land, the
Ida ef clothing ; oonsequently, the failure of that crop had
heft eingivalent to destruction of so much of the climate.
Mug medium. By the terms of the Act of Union it was pro-
vided that Ireland should not be subjected to the debt of
Greet Britain contracted before the union • the amount of
that debt we about 420,000,0001., while that of Ireland was
only 28,060.0001. The set provided that these debts should
be kegs separate, and that Ireland should contribute to the
general expense of the empire to the amount of two-seven.
esenela. This estimate, made by Lord Castlereseh, bad
beenselyehestght too high, and had been so admitted
by ant ilitPah ministers. In certain contingeoties—
cae of , the paying off of the national debt, wee impels.
eale-4he taxation of the two countries was to be equalised.
The ben. member proceeded to contend that by the conaob-
talien the excheqeers, the act of union had been violated,
and the Imperial parliament itself had sanctioned this un-
amelitatimlll and illegal measure. During the first seven-
teem role tf easeaticlation, Ireland paid 13,000,0001. of tau-
Woe MIMI them OM was entind to. The hon. member then
reeds vet ameba el ihnuaeasta with the view of proving
Mat meet bee pod a meek greater share of taxation than
she might to hove tea, blasting that up to 1846 she had ;
Yrs ealleity pahandei 60,000.0001. more than her share,
sad lid • ram spin lila Wintry for that amount. The
anew= ef Make isopeeed upon Ireland had been double
the amount ef that of which she bad been relieved.
meaMmeen were in the habit of taunting the people
with the large sums which had been remitted to
yes teen this The remittances from the British
satheman to Dime do onion amounted to 7,500,0001.,
mfieseass the coon L sent Lea Ireland to England amounted
=meow Tile hae. member for South Lancashire
• be a mera which viewed that notwithstanding the
eager ef Mk no 111111 Na 600,0001. had been remitted
Imo the Wit etethegete le this country, making an Immo
orbhh vemllimeme ie lbeleed English reuuttancee, to
' • Ile ommot aMelO,OOOl. The hon. member for
pYeAss le the bad effects of the union on
arer demo to Nostend. That was a part of the "subject ,
Ni deserved mime attention. One of the evils which