The Express.
London, England, 1853-08-06 00:00:00

go risen farther, and say that to analish the double system
of government woald be to sink that imat empire to the
condition of a mere colony. The governOent of India at
the expiration of their present term of pow :r could point
to the state of that country as being better than any other
portion of our colonial empire, and, such being the result,
he did not feel that the double system ought to be
abolishes[.
The Bishop of OXFORD would not have troubled their
lordships upon this occasion, but having been the only one
of his order who had sat upon the committee upon the sub-
, ject now before the house, he was anxious to say a few
words upon the matter. lie believed that moral and reli-
gious considerations belted most deeply upon the
political condition of India. When he looked at
the extraordinary course of events through which
India had come to our hands, be could not
but believe that that country had been committed to this
nation by the hand of Providence. The house, therefore,
ought to be careful to discharge its duty faithfully. lie
would, however, at once say that he did not differ mate-
rially from what had fallen from more than one noble lord,
namely, that it was not the duty of this country to inter-
fere directly with the religion of the people of India. At
the same time he could not concur in au expression which
fell from a noble lord on the cross benches (Lord Mont-
eagle.) The noble lord said that this country ought
to observe an absolute neutrality ; if he had said a non-
interference, he (the Bishop of °arid) would not have
found fault with the expression, for he believed that the
governmint of India could not interfere directly in the re-
ligion of that country with effect. But we ought not to be
neutral in the matter ; on the contrary, it should be the
endeavour of this country to show Christianity to every
advantege to those who go out to India professing them-
selves Caristiens. Ile should have objected to this bill as
not containing any provision for increasing the Christian
ertrblirnment, had it not been that this soon-ure was the
gut of a series which would be brought under the
consideration of parliament in reference to the affairs
of the East India Company. lie hod himself,
with several ms mben of it e lower house, waited
upon the Presidect of the Board of Control
upon this subject. That right hon. gentleman stated that
he felt himself bound by the statement which he had made
to the House of Commons not to intro.luce any clauses for
increasing the church es'ablishment. At the seine trine he
informed them that, at a future time, a measure would be
brought before parliament relative to the judicial establish.
ments of India in which any alteration which might be
thought judicious in the ecclesiastical establishments of
that country might be incorporated. He (the Bishop
of Oxford) should like to have an assurance from
the noble lord at the head of the government
that an increase of 'he ecclesiastical establishment
in India was in contemplation. Another point in regard to
this bill was not quite satisfactory. This was the examina-
tions at Haileybury. The principle of examinations ought
to have been more widely extended. Haileybury was cal-
culated to contain about Si) students, and the average num-
ber of appointments to he filled up from these was 35. In
addition to this, about five students were found every year,
through illness and other causes, to withdraw from that in-
stitution. Thus about 35 out of 75 students would be with•
drawn each year from that eollege.The eff•ct of this would be
to convert Haileybury into one of those close colleges which
had beta found to work so badly in our older universities.
Another effect would be to prevent any young man getting
Indian service, after he had passed seventeen years of age,
except he went through the course at Ilaileybury, after ho
had finished his etudes at the university. On these grounds
he would earnestly entreat her Majesty's governmeut to re-
consider this portion of the bill. Ile would leave the
question in the hands of her Majesty's government,
trusting that they would fully consider it before the next
doge was taken.
Lied WHARFCLIFFE was decidedly of opinion that it
would be injudicious in the last degree to ceafine competi-
tion to these who had passee through the East India Col-
lege, and he should propose an amendment based en that
view. Ile could not agree with the noble earl (Ellenbo-
rough) on the subject of competition considered io itself.
Those whose minds were trained for the purposes of compe-
tition were, as it seemed to him, most likely to demean
themselves respectfully towards the natives of India, and
prove efficient public servants.
Earl ORAN VILLE replied. There were, be said, only one
or two objections raisedin the course of the discussion which
he would detain their lordships by noticing. With regard
to the disapprobation expressed by the noble earl (Ellen-
borough) at the circumstance that three directors, and not
six, were to be appointed by the government at once, he
would simply observe that there appeared to him to be a
manifest advantage to have only three vacancies to supply
in the first instance, inasmuch as it would afford opportu-
nities for looking out fur the best men to supply vacancies
as they arose. As to the constituency of the directors, after
the presentation of the petition of the previous day he did not
feel exactly bound to defend it, but he confessed that it
was a constituency of greet wealth and intelligence,
and, notwithstanding all the complaints which had been
made with regard to it, he was not aware of any consti-
tuency having been suggested which would practically be
more advantageous. As to the question of religion, he
entirely agreed with the right rev. prelate (the Bishop of
Oxford) that it was but right that those who were sent to
a distant country like India should have adequate spiritual
provision made for them • but he could give no pledge
beyond that which had been already given by the President
of the Board of Control. As to the probable dura-
tion of this measure, there had been two classes
of objections; one, that it was not proposed to
perpetuate a system which worked well ; another, that it
was proposed to stereotype a system which worked ill.
Both those objections could not be sound. He believed that
by this measure they would actually strengthen the exist-
ing government; but, on the other hand, if, fur want of
vitality, government was not able to go on, the bill would
undoubtedly afford the means of introducing a more simple
form of administration.
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The bill was then read the second time.
The Thames Embankment Bill was read a third time.
The Belfast Municipal Boundaries Bill went through
nnmittee.
The Brecon Collegiate Church Bill was reported with
mendraents.

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ENTRY OF SEAMEN BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
The Turnpike Acts, &c., Continuance Bill was read a
third time.
The Registrar of the Privy Council Bill was reads second
time.

CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) DILL.
This bill was read &second time.
Their lordships adjourned at half-past 11.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, Auc. 5.
The BraAxel' tookthe chair at 12 o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.
CONSIDERATION 01 LOAM' AMENDMENTS.— Electric
Telegraph Company; Worcester and Hereford Railway ;
Bills.
Titian READLYO6.—BiEgIei Free Grammar and Gene-
ral Education Schools and Charity,Estates ; Clitheroe School
Estate ; Duke of Atholl's Estate ; Jesus Colitis Estate ;
Piddoeke's Estate ; Ward Jackson's Estate ; Biqa.
SOUTH SEA COMPANY'S ARKANOEMENT AND

TRUSTS BILL.
0a the motion that this bill be read a third time,
Mr. SPOONER opposed the third reading, and said it
was in fact a public bill ; and it contained most extensive
power.. It purported to be a private arrangement between
the South Sea Company and their Directors, and it con-
mined a clause empowering the directors to agree with the
Chancellor of the Exchequer av to the terms on which
a sam of throe millions and a half was to be commuted, and
dealing as it slid with a largo amount of public stock, tt was
►rought in on 3rd July, and all the starling orders were
suspended, ao.that it might be passed rapidly through all its
stages. The house knew nothing about it.
Mr. MENINX concurred in the VI.IIOIII objections that
►ad been advanced against the !newswire by his hon. friends.
He objected especially to the 4th dame, which gave the
company unlimited power to hold lands, mid to the 3rd
clause, relating to trustee', which held as assents to some
in under the bill all cases in which an absolute dissent was
not signified.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL admitted there was some
form in the latter objection, and promised before the final
pasting of the bill to introduce words to meet it.
The bill was then read a third time and passed.

PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PILOTAGE BILL.

The committee on this bill was then resumed, commencing
with clause 10. . . .

The remaining clauses wore agreed to, and the third
reading was fixed for Monday.
TILE CUSTOMS ACT CONSOLIDATION BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
Tho house adjourned from L to 6 o'clock.
AN ATTEMPTED " COUNT."

When the Speaker took the chair the nem
her of members present was very small, but greatly to the
surprise of every one,
Mr. W. F. HUME moved that the hoes* be counted.
An Hon. Maraca, on the Ministerial side, instantly
started from his seat, and hurried wilily from the house.
In a few seconds the alarm had evideatly been given in alt
the precincts of the Palace of Westminster ; and before the
sandglass showed that the two minutes' grace bad *spired, a
long troop of hon. gentlemen, heeded by Mr. Bright, ap-
peared at the door, so that whet the Speaker at teat began
to count, there were probably not loss than a Mondial
members present. The defeat of this attempt te terminate
the evening's sitting was greeted with loud cheers.
NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. ADDENLEY begged to ails the Under Secretary at
State for the Colonies whether, by soy letters patent, or by
iastruations of any kind, her Mspity has delegated to the
Governor of New Zealand such power respecting the regu-
lation of the sale and disposal of waste lands as coald be taken
to have legally authorised his late proclamation of the 9th
day of March, 1853, whereby the scale of land prices gua-
ranteed by the 14 sod 15 Viet., c. 86, is set aside, and the
powers given by the 15 and 16 Viet., c. 72, to the new
legislature were maticipated by the governor alone, and an
unlimited extent of torritery was set up to public auction
at 6s. per acre ?
Mr. PEEL said that no proclamation of Sir 0. Grey on
the subject had yet reached tnt Colonial-office. It appeared
that in the constitutional Act of last year a provision haa
Ibsen introduced conferring on the new General Assembl•f of
Mew Zealand the power of regulating the sale of I and;
but until the General Assembly should make, pro-
Aisne for that purpose the crown, or the r,overnor
as authorised by the crows, was to re%ulate the
matter. The ge,veratnent in this country had se-
-1 cordingly seat out to Sir George Grey i.istructions to
issue such ref,,istations as might be required. lie %Mr. Peel)
presuffiek *iherefore, that the proclamation, Lad bean issued,
nn 09Wir/tuence of those instructions.