The Express.
London, England, 1865-01-17 00:00:00

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ween'the trooanirthe Bey and the ins
goals, who were blla, with considerable feign.
Many had taken refuge on Algerian territory.

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INTERVIEW BETWEEN A FRENCH J,
NALIBT AND A CARDINAL.
The Paris Temps of to-day contains a long and
interesting letter, giving an account of an interview
at Naples betwmaali, lama, the chief contributor to
that journal, anti Cardinal d'Andrea. The interview, LETTER OF MR. REWARD.
which lasted for an hour and a half, and was fixed The following is the text of Mr. Reward's reply
by the oardival himself, took place on the 10th, to the Brazilian Charge d'Affaires at Washington
The cardinal spoke iu his ofiloial character to a relative to the seizure of the Florida :
journalist by whom be wished hilt remarks to be Department of State, Washiegton, Deo. 25.
published. We quote the dialogue as reported in , 812.-1 have the honour to acknowledge the reeelpt of
I your note, which seta forth the sentiment of the imperial
the Tempe : I government of Brazil eoccernisg the capture of the Florida
The o.tholvear.—l am • liberal, as Italian, and • man of Iby the United Stets war steams, Wschtuett, in the poet
Poltroon ; consequently I regret the publication of the oulabia. Yoe will of come espisia to your government
recent Encyclical, although as cardinal I must accept it. that, owing to as midemeadiag between you and myself,
My liberalism is :analogous to that of your excellent French your note, although it bears the dote of the 12th December,
catholic of the Correapondant lam against the Univers, was not submitted to me until the 21st in Jealousy of
which is now the Monde. 1 sympathise with the ideas of foreign intervention in every form, and absolute ace-later-
IL de 51ontalembert, IL de !rollout, and of H. Dupaolonp, venation in the domestic affairs of foreign Mims, are cardi-
the eminent prelate, who defended ancient literature. , nal priamplee in the policy of the flailed States. You
I think with a French bishop of great authority that if, i have, therefore, justly expected that the President would
Voulllot is en orthodox madman. In your letter to the disavow and regret the proceeding, at Hem& He
Temps you have seemed to put me In oppoeltion to " the will „alma Captain Collins, and direct him to
little Preach abbe.," I regret this, for Ido not wish to be wpm, before a courtoartial. The mond at Bahia
onssideeed an adversary of the French clergy, for whom, on admits that he advised and Incited the captain
the saetrarY. I have very much teem. I love France, and was active in the proceedings. He will therefore be
and am half French myself. lam thoroughly pcamlided dismissed. The Sag of Brasil will revive from the United
that the Emperor Napoleon wishes to preserve the lode- States Davy the honour customary in the intercourse of
patetismo of the pawl by the convention of the 154 h friendly maritime „were. It le, however, sot to be „d„,
SePtemter. This Is wilY i frankly scespt that convention. stood that tail government admits or gives Malt to the
The Bieopmer Napoleon has shown the fords of an intim- ' charges of falsehood, treachery, and deception which you
pebble bums in this affair. have brought against the captain and the consul. These
Here (writes M. Sedan) I ought fees prerdeiss's sake W. sharps are aecied on the autbdriiy of the cigars accused.
give say own observations as well as the cardinal's. I You will also be pleased to Zuiderstand that the answer
IL ERDAN —DNA your eminence understand that Flo- now given to yes, re pm= tgio, rants
engine,* ups the
ram will be the definitive capital, and that the Pope will ground that the capture of the Florida was an unauthorised,
keep his prompt provisoes? unlawful, and indefeasible exercise of the naval force of the
The Ceitlitmdt—Yee. Snot most catholic believe is United States within a foreign country, in deems of its
the semsity of • temporal power, I think that the Ave miewished and duly recopied government. This govern.
provisos, now held give a sufficient guszsetee of it. mint disallows your asonmption that the insurgents of this
M. RID" —I do not understand bow this enclave In Italy country are a lawful naval belligerent, and, on the contrary,
can lest. It seems to me certain that It will not last. Yoe it msioLins that the ascription of that character by the go-
ody withdraw from the maestion, you do not solve it. it vernment of Brazil to insurgent citizens of the United
is impossible fee me to believe that the Emperor Napoleon metro, who have hitherto been, and who still are, destitute
will check his cherished ideas at this shadow of • eolution of nett pomp., pmts, and worm, was sot of murmur, la
The Caanulth—l would not wish to be driven too much derogation of the law of mbiow, and unfriendly and wrongful
la advisee* epos this point. In any cm I ought to say os it is manifestly injurious to the United States.
that it my opted.. Pins IX. will never cede the temPong so, also, this goverment disallows your satomption that
power. the Florida belonged to the aforementioned insurgents,
M. Et:las—And after him the conclave? And if whit and maintains, on the contrary, that that vessel, like the
he lives 'vest should happen like • rising in Rome, for ' Alabama, we, a pirate, hmoisgiag to no .alienor lawful
example? belligerent, and, therefore, that the harbotutig Itad supply.
The Clanotzta.—All is in the hands of France, and I isg of thole *stied ships and their comet Brazilian
repast to you that according to my belief, the Emperor ports, were weep and injuries for which Ronan justly
Napoleon desires the maintenance of • certain temporal owes reparation to Use United States, as ample as the re
poser. I partition which she sow receives from them. They hope
M. hoax—Ad Victor Emmanuel ? I and confidently expect this reciprocity in good time to re-
The
CIARDIKAL —All depends upon France. I store the harmoay and friendship which are so 1
H. BRDAW—But, your eretheace, allow me to laelet that seleutial to the welfare and safety of the two cooties.
this is a solution but for • year, co for two, or for three ' le the position which I bare thus mourned the imperial go-
Par& It is clear that In • evils) time Italy will stoat in veromeat will recognise an adherence to right which have
himself this Roman eaolam. It would be better for the , bees =meetly muted, and en enduring mono of joitujoi
papacy to guarantee it in the degree of the possible. I
which hare been the subject of earnest recnoastriones by
The CARDDIAE—PeraOPI ; bet as cardinal, I ought to ' the United States daring the lest three years. The poem.
refer thereupon to the Sawed College sad to the Pope. meat of Brasil is again ireformad that these positions of this
IL EaneJ —Your mainfienr, year thought is not free. awl government are no looser deemed open to argument. It
in my opinion it is a fated condition to have the soul thus does sot, however, belong to captains of ships of war of
bound In ot I os. the United States, or to the commanders of their anal..,
The Canaria—l ant 'Wise!, and I have duties ; but llet to their ensile residing in foreign porta, acting without
have the frost mild upon most important point.. I with I the authority of Cooper, sad without even executive
Italy to be entirely independent. With all indigsatioa I direction, sad choosing their own time, manner, and coca.
reject the retie of mum is Venetia and the Pitmans* Ms to assert the rights and redress the wrongs of the
leg leduenne of Austria in Italy. I had wished for the country. This power can be lawfully exercised only by the
147 e, the Othlederatien. Gioberti, ithersini. and Vastest government of the United States. As a member of the family
whom yes have appaloosa to ammo, umpired to anything of nations, the United States practice order, not thereby, as
but the Italian length they always prefer lawful proceedings to aggressive vio-
l'. 'Wall—Rut now yen =net the free ecroliF/W f Moe or retaliation. The United States are happy in being
The CaszonfaL— I admit them. able to believe that Brazil entertains the same sentiments.
IL Ewan—Would it be indiscreet to ask if there see The authorities at Bahia are understood to have noncoms.
ley coreleals who Mee tendencies like those of your hilly employed force to overcome the Waal:nett and
minim? mom the Florida and to have continued the chaos of the
The CIDIRTNAL—I moms there are five or ix. Weeder beyond the waters of Brazil cut upon the high
U. Inelan—What, then. is the real cane ci the stub- seas. Thus, in the affair at Bahia, subordinate agent
torn anhnosity of Pins IX. to Italia' unity? without the knowledge of their respective govermeett
The CARDINAL—Pius IX. is entirely influenced by per- mutually inaugurated an unauthorised, irregular, and an-
imal impressions left upon him by 1848, and the complete lawful war. In denatiog from that war on how
direction of all this belongs to the Jesuits. part, and in appealing to this country for redress,
N. EWAN—lndeed ! To the Jesuits? but I thought Brazil rightly appreciated the character of the United
that was only a party boaboar. States and set an example worthy of emulation. The
The OARDERAIr—Yon are wrong ; the Jesuits are masters disposition of the captured crew of the Florida is dente-
d all. The Oivilts getholica is the AMOS of all the evil. mined upon the principles which I have laid down.
AL ERDAS—Ad Cardinal A1401'411 ? Although the crow are eneznice of the United States, ad
The CARDINAL —I have opposed his policy for a long se they cooteed enemies of the human race, yet the
time ; I broke with him in 1556. Be has had the affairs offenders were nevertheless unlawfully brought into the
of the ociesialtiol MO in his baths for fifteen years, end custody of this ethermeat, and therefore they could not
he has foreseen nothing. He has not seen that with Franco lawfully be subjected here to the punishment which they
lies ell the real power. In 1859 he mid that "That was have deserved. Nor could they, being enemies, be allowed
nothieg." He has besought an illusion upon the Boned to enjoy the protection of the United States. They will
College by • fatal ides—namely, that Ruth* the secured therefore be set at liberty to seek a refuge wheresoever
for the Holy See. He bad boundless confidence in Rona. they may find it, with the hazard of recapture
He met all difficulties by the reply of the certainly of Ras- when beyond the jurisdiction of this government,
sian aid. New, what happened? Russia was one of the The Florida was brought into American waters, and was
ant powers to recognise Italy. He is not • statesmen ; his anchored nada naval surveillance and protection at
action has bees fatal, and his brothers, the hankers, have Heathens Roads. While await* the vepresectation of the
alone shown talent. Brazilian government, on the 28th November, she sank,
Such are the most salient features of this conversation. owing to a leak which could troths seasonably stopped. The
I ought to did that the cardinal inquired what were leak mat first represented to have been muted, or at least
my religious opinions. At first be took me for a liberal increased, by • crollisiee with a war transport. Orden were
catholic. immediately given to ascertain the manner and airman-
-51. ERDAN—I ought to tell you in all frankness that I stances of the occurrence. It seemed to affect the army
am sot • liberal catholic ; I am a liberal anti-catholic, and the navy. A novel court of inquiry and also a military
otherwise called a free-thinker. court of inquiry were charged with the investigation. The
The CARDIRAL—But you ore tolerant of catholicism I naval court has submitted its report, and a copy thereof is
M. Eanzw—ln my younger days, no. Now I am—l am herewith communicated. The military court is yet es.
tolerant of all. gaged. So loon as Its labours shall have ended the result
The CARDLIAL —We have in common the sentiment of will be made known to your government. In the mean-
jostice. time it is assumed that the loss of the Florida wee • eon-
-111. Ennui—l believe it, your eminence. lem in troth sequence of some unionism accident, which cast no re-
mit happy to have a common ground with a cardinal spostibility upon the United States. I avail myself of this
who possesses a heart so truly human. opportunity to renew to you, air, the ammo of my high
M. Erdan then auras up the result of the in- consideration. WILLIAM H. SEWARD.
terview, as follows : Senhor Ignacio de Atelier Iterbosa da Silva, ha.
L Cordiall d'Aedres accepts the idea of an understand-
lag with Italy on the basis of accomplished facts.
2. He will not break with Rome i and feels it necessary
to restrsia himself lest he should go that length, even if be
have not already compromised himself • little by his public
and very audacious eulogy of the Abbe Passaglia.
3. Be distinctly repudiates the illiberal tendency of the
wart of Rome, and says that he is himself much more
aggrieved than I, • freethinker, by the Jesuits and his col-
league, Cardinal Antooalli.
4. That he regrets the state of mind in which his Holi-
ness Pine Ito sow is.
5. That be is decidedly favourable to the views, as yet
imperfectly defined, of the French government in regard to
Rome.
In short —that he avoids positive declarations from pru-
dential motives easy to be understood, but is not unwilling
to accredit suppositions very like, mann entaandia, those
which I published a month ago in the Temps.
I will not take upon me to affirm in conclusion that the
conversation bears oat entirely everything I said. I prefer
to dwell on this idea that the state of mind of Cardinal
d'Andrea seemed to me highly honourable, and something
relatively luminous is the midi; of the utter darkness
which now prevails at Rome. May this twilight develop
into day. A. Knott.
The French clerical prints which daily attack
. Cardinal d'Andrea announce that be has been
A. ordered to Rome immediately. It is doubtful
eh whether lie will go under present circumstances.
on

THU FLORIDA AND TIM BRAZILIAN
UOVERNMEN T.

A letter from Frankfort, dated Saturday, says :
—" Mr. Robert Henry Frederick Koch, the British wean%
died suddenly this morning of paralysis of the loop. It is
now stated that no one will receive the appointment again,
but that the duties will be performed at the legation. Mr.
Koch's father was consul also cep to the time of his death.
He was of the firm of George Koch and Co., known to
roost Englishmen who visit the Continent. This is the
second partner who has died within a few months in that
*rm."
A sermon wan preached on Sunday at the church
of St. Philippe do RouL Faubourg St. Honor 4, by the Rev.
Dr. 'Leaning, in aid of the feed for rebuilding the church
of St. Thomas of Canterbury at Rome. The work is
patronised by the Pops, who, awarding to the no**.
" womb his blessing to all who participate in it ; and that
is is undertaken no; only for the restoration of the ancient
sanctuary of one of the most illustrious of English s►ints,
but also to afford gratuitous education in the centre of
catholicity to young Englishmen who feel themselves called
to the sacerdotal office." The attendance at St. Philippe du
Rawl was numerous, and the collection, which was con.
ducted by ladies, of whom the majority were English, is
said to have been succesafal.
M. Henri Plon is busily engaged at the Imperial
Printing-office, superintending the printing of the forth-
coming " Life of Comae A magnificent edition of 1,000
copies bee been ordered to be got up for the purpose of
pressatatine to crowned heads, foreign ambeasadms, and
literary or political celebrities. A. popular edition, how-
ever, will appe.ir about the middle of February. The
Emperor, it is 'toted, has ordered the work to be trans-
lated into Foglish, and has undertaken to revise the proofs
himself.
From Coburg it is stated that Count Sepel,
Minister and Secretary of St►te to the reigning duke, and
who is BO yews of age, is about to be married to a young
lady who has mesa bat 16 summers.
Herr von Bismarck received a flattering token of
esteem from his sovereign on Christmas Day. The King,
' as the Berlin papers inform um, sent him as that mosaics a
Christmas present, consisting of an elegant walking-Mesh
surmounted with an ivory handle, upon which the King's
own beet, aroweed with a wreath of laurel, is most artisti-
cally carved. The gift was aocompanied by an autograph
latter, in which hie Majesty stated that " M sent his faith-
ful minister this particular stick in order that he (the
minister might always be reminded, on 19eklag at it,
,that
it was none other than he who bad placed those laurels oa
the King's brow."

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RUSSIA.

ST. PETERSBURG, J. 16.

The Grand Duke Constantine has been appointed
president, and Count Miliutine and General Luit-
kow members of the Council of the Emperor.
The military estimates in the dget for 1865 are
reduced by 24} millions of roiass, and the navy
estimates by 4} millions as compared with those for
1864.