The Express.
London, England, 1851-06-03 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

IiOLTSE OF LORDS.—NIONDAN. JCSE 2.
The LOAD CHANCELL'IIt took his seat at five O'clock.
I'ETITIONS rRESENTED.
ARARAT OF Atist oNDIXO DAIITORA.—Uf Lard CR tx-
WORTII, from a place not heard; and the Earl of ILAN-
ROWDY. front is,veral plae.s in favour of the bill fur
heilitatiNt the arrest of ateconding debtor..
PAPAL A,tillL..lloN.--ily the Earl of F.NNISKILLEN,
tram a great many places ill Ireland; against papal agglu-
tinin.
Dm! NIONTEAGLE said it must not be taken that
the foiling in Ireland an this subject was at all unaaimou.
—(a Imago) —iA consequence of the petit ins on this 'object
Wag all oil one side of the qui stion, because petitions
attainn the bill could not be presented until it came brfore
their lordship.' house, and the numerous petitlons which
had h en ;mmented against papal air,
till
to
the pi iaciple and nut to the particular bill new in the other
house of partial:wont.
CHANCERY REFORM.
Lord LYNDHUIIS f refereed to Lori John R:uselra
notice is the other boon of his intention to move for leave
to bring in a bill to improve the sihnioistratioa of justice
in the Court of Chancery, and described the satisriietory
working of Sir John Roinilly's act for amending the pro-
ceed/az. of the Court of Chancery in Ireland. That mea-
au?. .idceituted summary proceedings by petition for the
ordm try proceedings by bill and answer; and it had given
the greatest .ati,Lictioa to plaintiff., to d.kntlanta, and to
the court. Umler such cinumttnsee., ho invited Cie Lord
Chancellor to consider these results in es/nave:ion with the
IStalAllllo intended to he introduced by the noble lord a: the
head of the guts foment.
The lAntb CHANCELLOR compliMed of being ern-
buras.,-.1 by the noble and learned lord's stat,inents, and
intimate I net the house should be cautious in adopting
them. At the same time he was glad his attention had
been called to the subject, and he would make inquiries
into it.
Lord LYNDHURST then asked the noble anal !tented
lord whither it was intended to pass over the bilious of
the Criminal LOW Commission, or to what extent Weir re-
cummendation. were likely to be adopted?
The Lord CHANCELLOIt said he had heart nothing
upon the ,object, and he had no reason to believe it was the
inn ution /if the government to renew the commission.
Aft. r a few words bum Lord Itootuttaa the subject
dropped.
NAYIOATION LAWS.
Lord STANLEY postponed the presentation of a petition
from the Shipowners' Association of Liverpool, complain-
ing of the evil effects ari.ing from the repeal of the nari,;a.
nun law., until after the Whitsuntide recess.
LAW RETI:ItSS.
Lonl 1111.0U011.151 moved for returns connected with
the Court of Chanel ry ; ale o, returns for the last tin years,
wit:i t view to show whether the County Courts had caused
a tion.nutiou of the business tit the superior courts of
Wt.tminster.
OM/ red.
REGISTRATION OF ASSURANCES RILL.
l.,rd CAMPBELL moved the discharge of the order of
the day vs iih refereuee to this bill, with a view to post-
ponement of the neat stage until :Ater the Whitsuntide
holidays.
After a conversation, in whieli land Cranworth, the
Marquis of Westmeath, and Earl Fit:walla:it joined, the
Elution was agreed to.
Amain or ABSCONDING DEBTORS BILL.
The Earl of HAItItOWDY moved the second n adiug of
this bill, the chief object of which was to give the County
Court judge and the bankruptcy einirraiisioner at Liver-
pool the powers now possessed by judges of the superior
court • in issuing warrants for the apiirehension of abeeund-
ing debtor..
Lord UItOUGHAM approved of the principle of the bill,
but objuted to some of its detail., and, amonest other, to
a ciliuse which provided that the expense of the warrant and
the order to hold to bail should be inside costa in the cause.
After a few words from the Luau CUANCLI.I.OI4, which
were inaudible, the bill was nail a second time.
HIGHWAYS (Sourn WALES) LULL.
On the notion of the Earl of CA11114)11, this bill W4ll rend
a steund time.

MARRIAGES IN AUSTRALIA.
The Mho of AROYLI. gave nstice that on Friday neat
be would peasant a petition relative to the marriage law in
krendie. sews especially ao it affected presbyterian mar-
riages.
PUBLIC WORKS IN INI)IA.
Lod LI FIE, who 5p....e in • very low tone
of voice, ruse to raise for papers emineeted with public
works in India, and hoped that th, it lordships w ,uld con-
cur with him in thinking the subject a most import-
ant one. The public work. of India ceueisted of
tau claws—works fur irrivate,n and drainage end
week, for transit, such no roads, canal., and rail-
way.. Of the former meow works hail been erected by
the sothot dynasties of India, but the reproach of the
British government was, that they had allowed some of
tip,* works to fall into decay. Such Mils as they had
ptesermill were yielding returns in mime falls., to the ex-
tent of 21 per cent. Other works, *lnch the company
themselves hail erected, were ) hiding returns of Iron] 7 to
1•2 pet rent. facts were eneouriging, as showing
that where there had been any investment of capital there
wee a certainty of a lar4e return. Ile haul it from
Ike testimony of a surveyor who had been 30 years in
India, that, in mosquence of the want of roads, them had
been one cues: fa which in neighbouring districts grain was
in ouu at famine prier, while in the other it was actually
below the market rate. Little nail been done iu the way of
refiwzn. Indeed, be hail been informed that in Mysore the
midi were letter than in the esuipany's territory, • fact
not at all creditable to 'kith's energy or enterprise. If
they looked at the financial statements of the Indian
government bur the last taenty years he was afraid
they would bind a sail dive iportiou between the re
eripts and the amount expended un public works in
the; country. Fur twenty year* the company drew an
ae, raze of IS millions a year. which in Si years made en
sags gate of 310 million.. (Hear, hear.) Allowing five
millions annually for ripen iiture in this country, and
the lialaues to be spent in India, he found the
highest Cu.,. spent en public works in one year
to he Irromuoi., being nut munch inure than one per
cent. of the receipts. It was but justice, however, to
say that now them was a prospect of better things. Several
steal. were projected, wino, of which it was espeeted would
return 22 per cent., and there was not much danger that
solitary operations would soon disturb the, returning pros-
perity. The noble lord concluded by moving for certain
papers (enumerated) relative to public works and the in-
tense' improvements of India.
Lord UROFti II lON said it would be inspneeible to over-
rate the importance of the eubject, which had just been in-
troduced by the noble lord. On the whole, there had
been cap'..els-II in the presidency of Rengal upwards of
&MAIM. To that was to he added the estimated costa the
Groat Ganges CanaL The length of that canal was about
41! mile., imlependently of a branch, aril the estimated cost,
originally about a million, was now, he believed, a million
and • half. In the Madre. presidency, the Tanjore Canal
cost shout 30,000 f. Other works of the same kind
in that preeidency involvel on elpenditure of
about 1.%10.0001.. and the tank. and the embank-
meta. amounted to 100,0001. In Se-lode there hail
been an outlay of ; and in the l'uniaub the present
Onvesior-Ueseral had devoted 40,000/. • rear to canals for
tZt. Them were not the only important works
atil bees undertaken of Late years in India. There
had hen eseented, so the noble earl was aware, a trigono-
metrical survey, which had cost 311.0001., in reference to
Which an interesting report was presented to the House of
Common. in April Lot. It was quite true that the
flaanees of India, owing to that process of exhaus-
tion, which operated to so great an extent, were
not in the moat desirable state; but even with regard to
them he had the satisfaction of stating that the last balance
sheet presented to the other house in February showed
considerable improvement. The sketch estimate for 1819-
50, instead of having any deficiency, showed a maples of
77,0001. ; sad though he would not .ay that at the
en 1 of the year, the actual accounts would not show
this estimate to have been too tittering, he must say
that the appearance of things was much more favourable
than formerly. With respect to the papers moved
for, so far from wishing to keep them back, he would be
must happy to produce them. phis country had recently
acquired the two great province% of Seinde and the Pastpub;
and considering the prospect of an improved state of the
Aminee.., and the sli.pisition manifested by the Indian go-
vernment to promote public work., he thought they seed
not despair of attaining a goad result.
Thee-Lot of ELLENBOROUUII said there could be
no doubt that whereas in this country to draw off
water (foreland was eeerntial to acyricultaral improvement, to
bring water on land was in the host essential to the fertility
of any crop whatever. In England drainage improved ; in
Inslie irrigation created, The improvements effected
through irrigallon in India by means of two tanks, under
the direction* of Lieut.-Colonel Dimon, had in three or four
years added in one district 200 per cent. to the revenue.
Its was convinced that when tho nature of the country was
such as to afford facilities for forming them, tanks would
prove • cheaper and a more convenient medium of irriga
Son than canals. The number of tank. in India was very
and ho slid not know a single instance in which great,
any malaria arising from them had been found
in their neighbourhood. It must be acknowledged
that of late years there had bees great improvements made
in the roads of India. The defects were owing in • great
degrm to the difference in the character of the engineer
officers employed upon them. Ile hoped that in future
this department of improvement would be attended to more
liberally and mom systematically. During the time that
he was in ogee as Governor-General he carried into effect
or den fined reductions of expenditure in India amounting
to 1,000,0001. lie had heard with great satisfaction that
a sketch estimate of revenue had afforded • hope of
something like a surplu.. The point on which he
would have any governor-general keep his eye was
the' reduction of the !Five per Cents. The great mass
of the debt of India was in Four per Cents. ; and the in-
stant effect of introducing • 5 per cent. loan, was to reduce
the Four per Cents. 16 per cent. in value. So long as a 5
per cent. guarantee was given to railways, the Four per
Cents. could sot possibly rise to par. Ile would
much rather the Indian government, if they thought
railways desirable, had from the tint dispensed altogether
with the aid of speculator., and taken the whole matter
into their own hands.
The Earl HARROWBY considered that the redieal
defect of the ire India Company ia their govoniesent el
India 'was the melba et Recap Is des
=sa=ressesel • met eantenet to the
eusteeme vie podia . There weld
le Wallis indigos{ of tk• nowesse el India whilst

were so imperfect.

(hear, hear.)
The motion was then agreed to.
REOULATION OF ChARITIES BILL.
On the motion of the Loan CHANCILLOR the Ite-
gulation of Charities Bill was laid on the table. The noble
lord said that the report on which this Important bill was.
founded would be laid on the table te-morrow.
CLEOPATRA'S 'TREBLE.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said be wished to know
(coin the noble earl (the Earl of Carlisle) what steps had
bee, taken for the odtainiag and bringing to this country
the obelisk called Cleopetra's Needle, which had been made
a present to George IV. by Mehemet Ali in 1820. This
obelisk was taken possession of by the British army in 1801.
Some persons were of opinion that it was not of value
enough to warrant the expense of transferring it to this
country. But he beget' to observe that it was as a me-
morial or trophy that its principal value consisted.
The Earl of CARLISLE said he was not iasensible of
the value of the monument to which the noble marquis re-
ferred, as a memorial of the old patient art of Egypt and
as a record of British heroism. Ile had conferred with his
noble friend the First Lord of the Treasury on the subject,
but there were some mechanical difficulties in the way of
its remota]. The subject, however, was wider con-
sideration.
BRIDGES (IRELAND) BILL.
On the moti.nt of the Earl of CAILIAiLL, this bill was
read a first time. . .

Their tor.l.slupa then adjourned at a quarter to eight.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, JOSE 2.
The Spam's& took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SOUTH WALES RAILWAY (No. 1) BILL.
The Lords amendmaits to this bill were considered and
agreed to.
THIRD RrADINOI. - Cork and Waterford Railway ;
Great N•irth. ru Railway (No. 2) ; Killarney Junction
Railway Mauchesna Improvement; Manchester Water-
works; Maryort and Carlisle Railway; tilventoue and
Lancaster ItailwAy ; Waterford and Kilkenny Railway ;
Bills.

The Newark upon Trent Improvement and Market 13111
WWI considered and recommitted.

The ndments to the Wicklow Harbour Bill were con-
sidered and agreed to.
NEW FOREST DEER REMOVAL, &c., BILL.
. .

On the motion for reading this bill a second time,
Mr. G. BERKELEY complained that this bill would
deprive the poor inhabitants of tho New Forest, of the
forest right to 20,0(s) acres, consisting of turf cutting, fuel
cutting, and other advantages, all of which depended on
the maintenance of the deer. Ile moved that the in,asitre
be read a serond time that day six months.
Mr. CUMPTON %Lord the Justice of settling the claims
of those poor person., who had common right in the forest,
before the tommissiuners proceeded to enclose the land as

proposed.
Lord SF.YMOUR contended that it was altogether im-
possible to improve the property and make it valuable to
the country, unless they got rid of the deer. With regard
to the rights of the commoners, they amounted in value
according to the claims sent in to 600,0001., according to the
lowest estimate, and at the highest to 15,000,0001. It was
quite out of the question for him to deal with claims of
such magnitude, and therefore it was proposed that they
should be as-raked and settled in the ordinary way.
Mr. Mt:LUNGS took exceptions to several of the de-
tails of the bill, and declared ha intention of voting for the
amendment.

141:11ENRY DRUMMOND objected to the priniple
of the crown entering into the business of timber growing
for the navy.
The house divided:
For the second reading B2
For the amendment
The biil was read a second time.
I'UBLIC BUSINESS.
ST. ALBANS ELECTION BILL.

Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., asked when the noble lord at the
load of the governiaent would afford him an opportunity
for bringing in this hill?
Lord J. RUSSELL said it might be brought in on
Thursday, if the house would sit at twelve o'clock on
that dal.
Mr. ELLICE observed that such an arrangement would
be perfectly satisfactory to him.
S F.TitopoLlT AN POOR'S RATE.

Mr. SCIi6I:iiIELD moved fora return of the rate
in the pound levied for the relief of the poor in each year
from ln;11 to WO inclusive, on tho annual value of pro-
h of St. Luke's,
z
ratd
stor the metropolitan
h,
t.:lerkenwell, St. 67 Mrylebone, !lack.
ney Union, St. Pancras with Ilampstead, St. Martin-in-
the-Field., Islington, Kensington, St. George lianover-
square, and Bermondsey.—Agreed to.
TIIE LOSS OF TIIE OItION.

Mr. If UMlinso—vetTthat il;er; -1;e- la-hihe-f;te this house
by the Cronunimiunctit of Northern Lighthouses (as supple-
.

went of the return No. 2`el, onlereillo be printed en the
11th of May, Mil), a return of copies of all eurrespoodimee
between the commissioners and the Treasury or the Admi-
ralty. and of the documents therein referred to, in regard
to Purtmitrick harbour light, or in regard to the loos of the
Orion steamer.—Agreed to.
AGAR, TOWN, ST. PANCRAS.
On the motion Of Sir B. HALL, a copy of a report made
to the Board of Health with reference to the unitary con-
dition of Agar Town, St. Pancras, was ordered to bo laid
on the table.
DINGLE WORKHOUSE.

Mr. REYNOLDS nsked thu Chief Secretary for Ireland
if the lies. Mr. Lewis and the Rev. Mr. tiocslosan, the
protestant chaplains of the Dingle Uoion Workhow.e, have
been di...missed by the hoard of guardians; and, if so,
whether their tensorial had been sanctioned by the poor law

Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he had no reason to
believe Ciat any resolution dismisaing the rev. gentlemen
in question had 1:10011 passed by, the board of guardians in
Mr. REYNOLDS observed that the second part of his
question remained unanswered, namely, whether their re-
moval had been sanctioned by the poor law commissioners ?
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said it had not been sanctioned,
because they had not been removed by the guardians.
THE IItISII SPIRIT TRADE.

Mr. J. O'CiiSiMiaiPoeipcniei his motion for certain
returns relative to the spirit trade of Ireland until Friday
neat.