The Express.
London, England, 1853-03-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 12, 1853.

He must protest against the suggestion now made as un-
reasonable. (Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of SALISBURY expressed his doubts
whether the system of double government, at present
existing, ought to be continued. If any measure• were
brought in before the witnesses from India were examined,
they would run the ri-k of introducing provisiondiame-
trically opposed to what was most needed. He hoped the
govt.:num:lit would rec,usider their determination.
COUNTY ELECTION POLLS BILL,
The Earl of CARLISLE moved the second reeding of
this bill.
The Earl of DERBY soi:!, though he feared the bill
would be produftive of some inconvenience, yet as the
House of Commons had declared in its favour by • largo
majority, he would out offer soy opposition to it.
The bill was their read a second time.
S.v.•ral other bill, woe read a second time, including
the O:tice of Elorniners (Court of Chancery) Bill, and
the firm ral Board el Ile den Bill.
The Mutiny Bill and the Mariam Mutiny Bill soverolly
passed through committee ; and the house adjourucd at a
quarter to 8 o'cloek.

quite naked while they were washed with a mop and pad,
and then sent shivering to their wretched cells la the month
of March. It appeared that this institution possessed pro.
perty to the automat of somewhere about 20,0001. a-
year, chiefly under the management of the Corporation
of London. Certain proceedings had taken place in the
common council respecting this hospittl, which made him
deem it necessary to ask this question. It appeared that the
common council had met on the preceding day, and having
despatched the question of the Jews, proceeded to Bedlam.
(Laughter.) Mr. Gilpin brought forward a motion for the
appointment of a committee to make stringent enquiries,
and report on the recent management of Bedlam and the
trgatmeat of patients, but after a disunion this motion was
withdrawn. Now what he (Sir B. Hall) wanted to ask
woo whether any steps had been taken to prevent the re-
•urrcnce of such abuses as ha: been described in the report
of the lunacy commissioners, whether that report would be
Idd on the table, and whether, for the future, Bethlehem
llotpital would ho exempt from the supervision to which all
other lunatic asylums were subject. (hear, hear.)
Mr. PI IZIIOY was not aware that any report was likely
to be laid on the table, but a bill had been lately in,roduzed
into the other house of parliament by the ex-Lori Chan-
cellor, in which was a clause rem°. ing the exemption row
enjoyed by Bethlehem. If the bill putted, es no doubt it
would, Bethlehem would be pot on the moo tooting as
every attics e►tablishment of that description. (lieu, hen.)
PASSING TOLLS.

committee, and speak, therefore, merely from hearsay ; but
I understand that branch has already been pretty much
gone into, though I think the house will agree with me
that that is precisely the branch that was the least impor-
tant to make inquiry upon. For there is no oac iu the
house, I believe, who a not already fully acquainted with
the position of the home government, of its theory, and its
method of action. We all know the constant underground
wrangle which is kept up between Leadenhall-street and
Cannon-row, and of the ingeniuns schemes which are re-
sorted to to prevent open squabbling, and inquiry into that
part of the case was therefore the least important. Yet that
was put first en the list,and the inquiry was pressed on that
point, and I am told it is concluded, so far as it was
necessary to inquire for the purposes of legislation.
I Now I venture to say that that which most of
all will describe or iadieate the true character of
• the government is to be found in tho condition
of the people who are governed. (Hear.) And yet, so t tr
as the inquiry goes, the whole case of the condition of the
native population of India is left untouched. If there be
any truth in rum star, el far as the on:uittee has gone this
session, and judging from the evidence that has Iran: Aired,
there has been nothing in the shape of wlverso evideuca
I produced. There is, however, adverse testifu+ny to be oh-
mined, and adverse witnesses to be examined, and whether
the East India Company or the Board of Control may be in
their constitution good or bad, it is at hest essential that
unbiassed and iupartial witnesses shot.ll be examirrd, and
that the evidence should not be confined to iwrsons con-

had read petitions asking for inquiry in this country, and
also that some inquiry should take place in Indio, with the
view and for the purpose of forming a totally new govern.
meet at the end of two or three yeses. lie (Lard .1. Russell)
thought that there could be nothin; 160 dangerous to the
Peace and welfare of India as to be for two or three years
inquiring what kind of government she should have.
(Cheers.) The hon. gentlemen said that it potpie were
attached to their institutions nothing could shake that at-
tachment. The people of this country were emu:lied to
tthhaeitrifitatstaiatasuloitnaszubtuhat
dhye
w(l.,,ofradraldi;dlt, ussaaedllw)hwi t
dni,cot,lrde
whether monarchy was a good thing, or a House of Lords
was a good thine, or whether a National Assembly was not
• good thing, and thit for two or three years—he was
not sure whether the ott teliment of the people to their in-
stitutions would not be A...:eett. (Hear, het.r.) It was On
I opinion of the gourmet:: that such a measure should be
brought forward this uaien as they think Lest for the
welfare of India. They hoped to time such a measure,
and introduce it so as to gi V.! ample time for its discussion,
He sinned depart from what he conceived to be his duty if
he sai I anything with regard to the nature of C:ot measure,
or the terms in "obit% it would be eu..cted. It would be
unwise and dangerous if he were to state tit.. outlines of
the measure without giving any reasons fur its provisions,
and asking the house to decide on its merits. And that
course had this savant age to recommend it, that those who
opposed that measure would be ob::ged themselves to pro-
pose some definite plan. So long as you went on for two
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HOUSE OF COMMONS.—Fammr, MARCII 11.
The Smoak took the chair at the usual hour.
ADMISSION OF JEWS INTO PAIILIAMENT.
The sherirf, 4 is 1,31:C1011 and Middlesex appeared at the
bar in their rob.m of QUIN: and preatnteil the pctitien of the
Corporation of Landan, iu favour of the admisaiun tit Jews
into parliament.
WIGTON BURGHS ELECTION PETITION.
•

In answer to a question from Mr. 111'030N,
Mr. CARDWELL said that inquiries were being prose-
cuted with a view to ascertain whether the L abours at pre-
sent maintained by passing tolls might nut be made self-
suppoeting. A successful result had elready been attained
with regard to Ramsgate; but until the inquiry was coin-
pieced he could not state whit would be the course of the
government.
MAILS TO TILE NORTH.
Mr. HUDSON asked the Secretary of the Treasury
whether the attention of the Pestmaster-General has been
called to several memorials presented to the late Post-
master-General by a large deputation from the North of
England, canine upon his lordship to expedite the mails to
the boriuglis of Sunderland, Ne ocanle-upon-Tyue, North
and South Shields, and all the places north of York ; and
,vl.ether he can inform the house what course the Post-
master• General is about to adopt to give those populous dis-
tricts the advantage of an improved postal communication ;
especially as letters, if forwarded by the Great Northern
Railway, could he delivered three hours earlier in the im-
portant towns before referred to.
Mr. WILSON said that the Postmaster-General had had
under his consideration various memorials on the subject.
The matter was one requiring some arrangement of details,
but he hoped to be able considerably to accelerate the mails
to the north by June next.
CRIME IN IRELAND-
Mr. WHITESIDE asked Caief Secretary for Ireland
whether a bill has been prepared, or is in course of prepa-
bon, to carry out the recommendation of the committee
which sat last session to inquire into the causes of crime and
outrage in certain districts in Ireland, to amend the law re-
lating to the formation of tile jurors' lists in that country.
Sir J. YOUNG was understood to say that the question
was under consideration.
SOUTHAMPTON ELECTION.—CASE OF BOWER.
Mr. LI. HERBERT presented a petition it nil a person
named Bower, now in the custody of the Scrjeant-at-Arms,
for refusing to take an (nth or make a legal affirmation be-
fore the Southampton Election Committee.
The petition having been read by the clerk at the table,
Mr. H. HERBERT said that the petitioner stated he had
for the last seven or eight years entertained the conviction
thot oaths were contrary to the teaching of the New Tests-
merit, but he was willing to take such au affirmation as
should be biudiug on his conscience. He (Mr. Herbert)
now moved that the prisoner be discharged without pay-
ment of the fees. (near, hear.) His reason fur doing so
was the belief of the committee that Bower had been actu-
wed solely by conscientious motives. lie might add that
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nected with the government of India, or who - have been
the greater part of their lives in the serviee of the Last India
Company. (near, hear.) Toe hon. gentleman referred
shortly to the petitians which had been presented to the
house from various parties in India—some from Eure,teas
and Christian inhabitant', and some from the native inhabi-
tauta,to show what the feeling of the mittple of 11.dia is in
the matter. Ile said—they all ask for inquiry, and join is
cowl:taming anything like permanent legislation on the sys-
tem that has hitherto existed. (near.) It may be said
that every thing is open in India—that we have as Cie in-
formation on the subject etready in our wssetsion ;sin i
that inquiry there is uuneccesary. I Lave 'here a copy of
the 13outbay Chgette of the 24th November, it.d2, in which
there is a letter from Surat, describing the measures taken
by the ollieers of the government to prevent their native
servant* from giving any information t the British public.
And, trim other circumstances that have come to my know-
ledge' I believe the truth of the statement lure made.
Thdt letter states that ',nay attempt mane to communicate
information as to the actual condition of the ryots
on the part of the native servants of the com-
pany was met by threats of instant dismis.al.
1 his shows that there is reason fur the government using
great caution when, seeing thi.t they are proceeding on the
evidence of one side only, for I should he sorry to sec Lord
Aberdeen's government in the position of ithe celebrated
Welsh judge who always thought it convenient to decide
when he had heard one side only, kuowtng that he was
unable to grapple with the difficulties of the cast when he
hexed both sides. (t. blear, bear," and laughter.) I have
stated that the condition of the people snag be always
1 inked upon as a true index of the character of the govern-
ment, and upon that point I will read tat et:tract from the
Ltwebay Times of the 14th April, 1352. If it be said that
this's are but newspaper statements, I ask if we had such
statements made by any neuspapers of credit with regard
to the condition of every county in England, they would
not be reg sided as substantially true, or if not, whether in-
stant means would not he taken to obtain such au expuetue
as should prevent the repetition of such statements for the
future. The article described the misery and degradation
in welch the ryots lived, adding that matters were growing
worse every day, and concluded by remarking that when
the revenue felled, and the government betame crippled in
consequence, then possibly some attention might be
paid to the condition of these people, but it might then
ne found too late. Ile (Mr. Bright) went ioa to say
that he bad not got the returns of the revenue for
the last two or three years, but only those as late as 1810;
but he believed that tke returns of the period since that
_ . .
• of the reve-

Or three year,' in doubt and dareuess as to whet eovernment
you intended to give to India, one set of persons
might franc one measure, and a self-elected committee
might frame another, and all of them Mediate to the dispa-
ragement of the plan which had hitherto mama, end that
without setting up a new scheme. But if a new plan were
proposed in contradistinctinn to the plan of the gavernineut,
parliament would have au opportunity of cliscueeing which
of them was the best. To that test the government were
willing to come, and by that test they were willing to aside.
No person was more c.p.tb!e from his great talents and his
experience as President of the Board of Como: and Go-
vernor-General of India, of framing e scheme f ir the con-
stitution of India. Let that noble lord or any one bring
forward a scheme which they think a better ore than the
present and it would be discussed. The hon. member
fir Maue.heste r said that it was in order to give ease to the
government and to Pic Preiideut of the Beard of Cowie)
that they proposed to regulate the government of lathe this
session. A government which WAS seeking power might
rather be inelined to ?Turin that the crown should have
more power and patronag: given to it by some measure. In
his (Lord J. Russell's) opieion nothing would be mere ilea-
geroue than to give to tie, crown such powers. (Hear
hear.) The government had endeavoured to avoid that
danger. and to frame a government for India more con-
formable to the constitution of this country. With regard
to that government which had existed for 70 years. mottling
was more likely to have failed than a theory of
government which consi,ted of the Bard of Directors
of the East India Coraeany and the Beard of Control,
whose authority wee remitted to the Governor-Geueral.
But the experience of 70 years was not to be despised, and
an experience ranging from 1784 to Bat would be a mate-
rial element in the considerations of the resent govern-
ment, IV he war sure it would have been in the ceusidera-
tions of the late government, and which must be a material
element in the consideratien of any one worthy to If ar a
pert in any government. Ho would say nothing more than
that it was proposed to legislate on this important eutiject
in the present parliament. All the information which the
sleet committee may have obtained would be in the bends
of parlinurot soon enough to enable a measure to he
brought forward, and the government deprteated as a
great evil a postponement for two or three years, for the
pUrpOit:i of agitation, ul the settlemeat of this queetion.
Mr. Blechett, Mr. Phillimore, and Mr. 1). Seymeur,
were dissatisfied with the answer of Lord J. Russell, -end
gave various reasons for believing the condition of India
to call for a strong and decisive remedy.
Lord JOCELYN, as a member of the Indian Committee,
denied that the committee objected to the reception of

Mr. W. MILES repotted from the committtc on tne above
petition that Sir John M'Taggut had been duly elected.

WIN DSOICILECTION.

The Windsor Elec:ion Committee were sworn at the
tab:e.

CV. THEROE ELEC I lON.
Oa t':e motion t f Mr. OASKILL, the evidence before the
Clithcroe Election Commlttee wee ordered to be printed.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Tho Imperial Continental Gss and St. Geage's Harbour
Bib were severally real a second tiiae.
RAILWAYS.
Mr. SOTHERON moved, that sa much of standing order
No. IGO, as requirea that there shall be uo mare than ten
data; between the first and second reading of any private
bill, be suspended, as to all railway and canal bills ; but
that no such bill be read a second time later than Monday
next, except by special order of the house.
Agreed to.
SCOTCH RAILWAYS.
On the motion of Mr. BlttallZWluN, it was ordered
that the order fur the second reading of the Oheigow and
South Western Railway Bill be read—That the order be
' discharged—That the petition fur the bill be read:—That
leave be given to bring in a bill to manic the Gtgsgow and
South Western Railway Company to make car'-tin railways
In the county of Ayr, and for ether purposes ; aLd that Mr.
Alexander Hestia and Mr. Bouverie should prepare and
bring it iu.
BLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRLSEN CEO.
JEWISH Cul. NOILTLL, from South
Newington, count) Oxford, and from the town of Whitney;
Mr. M. SMITII, Irma the parish of Cranbrook, West Kest;
Mr. COLVILE, from places in Dorhyshi,e; Cul. DUN-
COMBE, from Fenton, Acklam, Salton, Thornton, Kirk-
leatharn, and Boston Spa, in the North Riding of York-
shire; Mr. NE WDEGATE, from Maystoke, St. Peter's,
Coventry, Nomrator, Cotton, and Ashley; Lord EMLYN,
from Rhoeerowthee, at St. lehmaelt, in Pembrokeshire;
Sir J. DUCKWORTH, from the parish of St.Stophen, in
Exeter ; Lord LEWISHAM, from inhabitants of the parish
of St. James's, WelltlrabEry, Stiff,HJSltitli ; Visa ant SEA-
HAM, from Castle Eden, in the county of Durham, and
from the incumbent and parishioners of Christ Church,
Chelsea; Mr. BOOKER, from Weston-under•Penyard,
Herefordshire; Mr. M. SMITH, from the vicar, church-
- .

wardens, overseers, and inhabitants of the parish of North-
feet, in West Kent; Mr. GWYN, from I'enryo, Cornwall;
Mr. K. KING, from the parishes of
Bolstooe, SellsA, and King's Caide, in the (minty
of Hereford; Captain SOMERSET, from the pa-
rishes of Lardosso, Betws' Newgot, Sirsoreys, and
Wolvesnowton (2), in the county of Monmouth ;
Mr. PACKE, front Thuruley, Bashley, Staughton,Oadicy,
Tugby, East Norton, and Alleston, in the county of
Leicester ; Mr. NOEL, from parishes of Morket Overton
and Sicheseate, in the county of Itutlasol ; Sic G. TYLER,
from the archdeacon and clergy of the dioceso of Llandaff,
from the parish of Liantrithyd and the working men of the
same parish. Also from the following patishes: St. Bride's
Super, Ely, Michaelstown, Peemark, St. Mary Hill,
Dlansannor, Whitechurch ; Mr. FLOYER (3), from Dor-
setshire; Sir J. Y. BULLEIi, from Shr owleigh, South
Sydonham, Torquay, Seigngmee, Clyat Si. Lawrence,
Halnett, Wirldicoruhe in the Moor, Cotleigh,
Egg Buchland, Bnekfarthleigh, against the remival of.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD, front Birmingham ; Mr. BAINES
(2), from Hull; the Slot riffs of London and Middlesex,
from the Corporation of the City of Loudon ; for the re-
moval of.
OPENING OF THE CRYSTAL PALACE ON SUNDAY.—
By Mr. COLVILE, loom plaices in Duly.‘dre ; Mr.
FLOYEIt, from Strapleton, Bonet; Mr. M. SMITH,
from the inhabitants of the borough of Chatham; Mr.
CASK ELL, from the parish of Madeley, Salop ; Lord
EMLYN, front Gunfreston, Pembrokeshire; Mr. KN IG lIT-
LEY, from Daveutry, Bramston, and Ecton ; aesinst.
CONSOLIDATED ANNI.TITIF.S.—By Mr. TURNER, from
merchants, tradesmen, and other inhabitants of Liverpool;
Mr. MA.STERMAN, from the Britannia Lite Asiurance
Company, and from the Albion Fire and Life Insurance
Company; Mr. GRACE, from the Guardians of Boyle
Union, county Roscommon ; Mr. P. O'BRIEN, from the
Tullamore Board of Guardians; fur the abolition of.
OCEAN PENNY POSTAGE.—By Mr. FERGUSON, from
inhabitants of the city of Carlisle, _in favour of.
TENANT RIGHT DILL.—By Mr. LUCAS, from the
united parishes of Oldcsstle, Loughcrea, and Moylough, in
the county of ?death; also from the inhabitants of Kil-
leaugh, county Meath, and Kilbride, county Cavan; also
from the inhabitants of Devitt Creal, in the county of Ty-
rone; also from the aldermen, town councillors, burgesses,
and ratepayers of the North City Ward, Dublin, in fa-
vour of.
Tux Law OF RATING MINES.—By Mr. BAINES, from
Il_parishes in Cornwall, fur an improvement of.
THE TAM UPON STAMPS ADVERTISEMENTS,
ADVERTISEMENTS AND PAPER.
—By Mr. C. TURNER, Irons merchants, tradesmen, and
others, inhabitants of Liverpool, for repeal of.

the petitiiiner'e case was closed, and that counsel made no
objection to the discharge of the prisoner. (Cheers.)
Mr. S. WORTLEY did nut rise to offer any opposition to
the motion, but to call attention to the unsatisfactory state
of the law in regard to catfish If a witucos declared himself
to be a Walter, a Moravian, or a Separatist, ho might give
tad& nee on his affirmation without taking an oath ; but if
he belonged to neither of those Deets, and yet entertained a
conscientious obj..etion to the taking •f en oath—and
there were many such—the judge had no alternative on his
refusing to be sworn but to eumaiit him for contempt. He
thought the court should have a power in such cases to allow
the witness to substitute the affirmatiou fur the oath in such
cases. (Rear, hear.)
The question was then put and agreed to, sad the order
for discharging Mr. Bower, without payment of fees, was
made.
BRIDGNORTII ELECTION INQUIRY.
Sir J. SHELLEY gave notice that on the motion for
issuing a new writ for the borough of Bridgeuurth he would
move as an amendment that a select committee be appointed
to inquire into the allegatiens of certain (lectors of that
borough, complaining of the corrupt practices that pre-
vailed at the last and previuus elections. Ife would now
move, in accordance with his notice, that the petition from
the electors of Bridgnortb, pr..senteid on the lOth of March,
be priuted with the votes.
After some conversation, the motion was egreed to.
On the motion that the house at its rising do adjourn till
Monday next,
AFFAIRS OF INDIA.
Mr. BRIGHT rose, and said, I gave notice the
other day of my intention to put a question
to the noble lord at the head of the govern-
ment is this house as to the course ministers pro-
posed to take in reference to the future government of
India; and in doing so, while speaking to the motion of the
adjournment of the house till Monday, I am quite aware
that it is not desirable to occupy any. long time even on s
stiliect so important, the more especially as another clue-
tion, also of great importance, is to be brought before us to
night; and I will endeavour, therefore, to confine my oh
'creations within the smallest possible comp :A. I believe
the house will feel with me, that at this particular juncture
there is scarcely • question of greater importance can come
before it ; and I feel fully justified in alluding to it u one
of the representatives of that cunstituency,which of all the
constituencies in the kingdom is probably the most deeply
interested in circumstances connected with the question of
the future government of India. Another ground why I
feel myself justified in calling attewion to this subject is
that, in the year 1848, I obtained and presided over a com-
mittee to inquire into the obstacle) which existed to the

year afforded no relief to the gloomy prospect __ _
nue He fuund that the deficiencies of the revenue had been
in round numbers in 1840, 2,400,000/. ; in 1841,1,700,0001.;
in 1842, 1,700,0001 ; in 1843, 1,300,0001.; in 1844, 770,0001. ;
in 1845, 740,0001. • in 1546, 1,600,00 U/. • in 1847, 970,000!. ;
in 1848, 1.9J0,0001. ; and in 1849, ; making a
deficiency of 15 millions for 1810 to 1849 inclusive; and ex-
cept in ono year, when there was a balance, there had been
a deficiency every year, and circumstances were now occur-
ring in India which held out no prospect of an abundant
revenue or any surplus in the present year. For yearn it
had been promised by the Indian government that they
could and would supply a large amount of cotton to this
email • but would the house believe that, during the
years 13'17,1818, and 1819, or 35 yeses ago, there was im-
ported from India on an average a far greater number of
bales of cotton than in the three years nom 1849 to 1832
The ge number of bales imported In the three years,
1817, 1818, and 1819, was 184,000, while the ave-
rage number in the three years Irons 1819 to
18e2 was only 142,000 bales, being a decreese of
50,000 bales. The hen. member for Guildford made some
observation with regard to the price, but was not tLe price
of cotton in India and America subject to the same fluctu-
ations ; and yet, in 1818, there was imported from India a
muck larger number of bilee of cotton than from the Crated
States; but since that time there had been a great diminu-
tion in the quantity imoerted from India, while the quen-
tity imported from the United States had increased from
200,000 bales in that year to 1,719,000 bales at the present
time. He wished to call the attention of the noble lord
especially to the manufacture of that article of cotton, on
the importation of which an enormous sum was annually
expended, besides not less than forty-five millions
in wages, and other accompaniments of that ma-
nufacture ; and was he not, therefore, justified
in asking that the question of the government of India
should not be summarily disposed of to suit the convenience
of some of those whew were connected with India, or the
convenience of the President of the Board of Control, or the
members of a cabinet which did not yet sufficiently under-
stand each other ; where there might be a scandalous sacri-
fice of the interests of the district in this country with which
he (Mr. Plight) was connected, or even of the interests of
India herself, if this question was settled on any other
principle than this, having conquered ludia, it was the duty
of this country to give the best form of government to her
100,000,000 of inhabitants. (Hear, hear.) Ho would read
a letter he had received front a gentleman of the highest
character in India, and which was dated 4th October. Ile
said, " In India we were all expecting a sweeping altera-
tion in the Charter, when, to our horror and dismay, we
find that the act of 1833 is to be renewed without
any alteration. Whigs, Derbyites, c. and Rus-

onJ
evidence, or procured interested witnesses. Ho considered
that much remained to be done for India, but deprecated
rash measures, and any interference with the vital principle
of the present system.
Mr. °TWAY was altogether of en opposite opinion.
Mr. COBDEN, as a meinher of the Indian committee,
differed fro:n Lord Jocelyn as to the character of the wit-
nesses examined, declaring that with scarcely an exception
they had been servants of the government. He was of opi-
nion that unbiassed witnesses should be brought over at
the public expense, and that at the present time—when
scarcely a quarter of the evidence now available had been
gone through—there should be no legislation on the ,ulsject.
Sir It. 11. INGLIS called the attentim of the house to
the irregular nature of the discussion.
Mr. DISRAELI regretted that the government had not
taken the earliest opportunity of aunouncing their inten-
tions on the subject, instead of postponing the consideration
of a policy of which the house was utterly ignorant, until
what must neeesrarily be the fag end of the session. He
hoped that the government would enable the house to form
531110 opinion upon the policy to be pursued before the period
arrived for its discussion.
Mr. II ISME deprecated legislation upon the subject be-
fore the conclusion of the inquiry, and thought that two
3 ears might be allowed fur that purpose.
Sir J. FITZGERALD was understood to express a hope
that the government would not attempt a permanent mea-
sure this amnion.
Sir T. 11. MADDOCK (who was nearly inaudible in the
gallery) was understood to suggest the expediency of pass-
ing a temporary act this session, and urged that natives of
India should be allowed to give evidence before the parlia-
mentary committee.
The question (that the house adjourn to Monday) was
then agreed to.
JEWISH DISABILITIES.
Several petitions for and against having been presented,
The order of the day for the second reading of the Jewish
Dimbilities Bill was read, and
Sir F. TRESIGER rose to move tho amendment of
which he had given notice. The subject, he said, was quite
exhausted ; and it would be impossible for him to introduce
any new feature of interest into this nevertheless inevitable
discussion. Having pail a compliment to the noble lerd
(Lord J. Russell) for the perfect fairness with which he had
presented this question to parliament, having consistently
and honourably refused to have the diilieulty got over by
the side-wind attempted by Mr. Alderman Sabimees, whose
ecnduct he (Sir F. Thesiger) thought had done great mischief
to the cause which that gentleman represented, the hon. and
learned gentleman proceeded to say that the great impedi-
ment in this controversy was the fact that the supporters
the

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SIIRLITT'S COURT (SCOTLAND 2, BILL.—By Mr. RAWL
LETT, from the procuraton of umbarton, against.-11 Ir.
COWAN, from the chairman and office bearers of the Soot
tish Trade Protection Society, in favour of.
POWER "IN FACTORIES.—By Sir O. STRICKLAND,
Burnley, for restoration of.

cultivation and growth of cotton in India, and that subse-
quently I brought before the house a proposition to send a
litiyal commission out to that country, to investigate' on the
spot what were the obstacles which existed to the extensive
cultivation in India of the raw material of the
chief article of the manufactures of this country. (Hear,

.ay Jo _ s'eelites, _
seltites seem all of opinion that India is n bore,
and the sooner her affairs are dismissed the better."
What he (Mr. Bright) wanted of the government was to
tell the house if they had made up their minds on this ques-
tion. Ile hoped ther had not, and that that would bo the
_
rd.

and the opponents of the-bill could not meet on any oilmen
ground. The noble lord and his friends rested their claim
on civil and social grounas, to the complete exclusige of
religious considerations; while he (Sir F. Thesiger) and
those who voted with him, believed that the religious
lucetion involved was of vital i, rtance ; and there was

from
RAILWAY COMMUNICATION TO TILE WEST OF ENGi-
LAND.—By Sir J. DUCKWOI.TII, from merchants and
traders of Upton, complaining of the monopoly of.
REPRESENTATION OF THE LONDON UNIVERSITY.—B y
Mr. SCIIOLEFIELD, from Church of the Saviour, Bir-
mingham, in favour of.
ATTOUNISS. CERTIFICATE DUTY.—By Colonel NORTH,
from Bicester, county Oxford, from the littoral** aorl soli-
citors; from; the borough of Banbury; Mr. COLVILE,
from places in Derbyshire ; for the repeal of.
MAYNOOTIL GRANT.—By Colonel NORTH, from South
Newington, county Oxford, for repeal of.
PARLIAMENTARY PAPERS.—By Mr. COLVILE, from
places in 'Derbyshire ; Mr. FLYER, front the Dorset
Count distribution
_ _

hear.) That commission was famed by the government of
tho day, though it was approved by many distinguished
men in the house. It was approved strongly by the late
Sir IL. Peel, who spoke to me on the subject before the mo-
tion was brought on, and again afterwards. It was ap-
proved also by the right hon. gentleman the present First
Lord of the Admiralty. It was approved by the late Lord
George Bentiock, and I believe I may say that the noble
lard now at the head of the government in this house was
not unfavourable to it, but it was opposed by the then Pre-
sident of tho Board of Control and the representatives of
the India Company. Having made these various efforts to
obtain inquiry, I feel justified in asking the government not
to be precipitate in any legislation on this important qua-
. B--. • ',eh the inquiry was then
three

-newer of the noble lle.took the liberty of asking the
noble lord (not with the view of embarrassing the govern-
ment, although he candidly stated that any proposition
verging on a permanent renewal of the present
system would meet with his opposition to the
utmost), but he would ask the noble lord if the
government had come to any decision, and, if they had,
whether it was proposed that the measure they intended to
bring forward would be of a temporary or • permanent
nature ? If it was of a temporary nature, for how many
years it was proposed to renew the present government of
India, and when the measure which was to be brought
forward would be laid before the house ? (Cheers.)
Lord J. ItUSSELLsaid, that in spite of the appeal made
to him by the hon. gentleman, he could not help complain-
- .. ,fleas.

epaestion
this disadvantage from which the opponents of the bill sof-
fcred—that they regarded the House of Commons as
hardly the arena for the ilibate of re..igious points, and
were consequently withheld to some extent from using the
high and sacred arguments which were open ti them from
fear of being deemed bigots or enthu-iiists. The hon. and
learned gentleman then went on to dilate upon the
now-familiar question with respect to the or.gin
of the words in the oath, on the true faith
of a Christian," and how far these words had implied an
intention to exclude Jews from parliament ; and lie con-
tended that although those words had not been aimed at the
Jews, still the various laws in force against the Jews up to
a very rvent period, and the various disabilities to wnieh
- had . . t the

..taty Muaraii, for s of.
Bauxut, rcv BILL.—By Mr. COBDEN, from bankers,
solicitors, and others of Settle, in favour of.
NEOOCIATIONS WITH FRANCE FOIL REDUCTION OF
Anasainfirs.—By Mr. COBDEN, from a public meeting at
Canterbury, signed by the Ma or, in favour of.
BILLETTINO SOLDIEME ON PRIVATe HOU4E3.—By Mr.
A. HASTIE, from the Lord Provost, magistrates, and
council of the City of Glasgow, praying that the system be
done away with.
TESTS IN THE SCOTCH UNITERSITIBB.-137 Mr. A.
HASTIE, from the Cathedral•street United Presbyterian
Church, Glasgow, against imposition of.
LAW or SarrmixEsr.—By the Marquis of GRANBY,
from Ashby do la Zouch,MeltonMowbray, Barkson, Plunger,
Leicestershire ; Scams, Andrews, Balsam, County of Cam-
bridge; and from the Leacurn Agricultural Society; for
alteration of.
ATTORNIES' CERTIFICATE BILL.
Lord It. GROSVENOR brought up this hill amid load
and general cheering. While laying the bill on the table
the noble lord said, that it was not his intention to fix the
second reading of the bill until the government had made
Unit. financial statement, feeling confident that his right
hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer after the de-
cided opinion expressed by the house on time previous even-
ing, would take this question into his serious consideration,
with the view of remedying the evil complained of.
(Cheers.) He begged, therefore, to fix the second reading
for the 13th of April next.
THE IRISH COURT.
Mr. F. FRENCH gave notice that on Monday next alb
would ask the Secretary of the Treasury whether any in-
structions had been sent from head quarters to Ireland for-
bidding the announcement of the vice-regal levees and
drawing-rooms in any journal except the London Gazette.
(Loud laughter.)
THE DOCKYARDS.
Mr. HUTCHINS gave notice of his intention to move for

tion. (Hear, hear.) But thougi
ri fused it has since been thought aecessary,by _- several
governments, that some inquiry should take place. Two
years ago, the government of the noble lord (Lord J.
Russell) proposed that a:committee should be appointed ;
but afterwards, when the committee was about to be nomi-
nated, the noble lord's government went out of office, and
on the accession of Lord Derby it was nominated
by his government in the course of the last
session, and sat. And again, in the present par-
liament this session, the ministry of Lord Aberdeen,
considering that the inquiry was necessary,re-appointed the
committee, and its labours have been resumed. (liver,
hear.) Now, it is an unfortunate thing for Indis, that the
Indian government, as represented in this house, is always
of a fluctuating, uncertain, and, I fear, incapable character
—(hear, hear)—is incapable, nut from the character of the
individuals composing it, but from the peculiar circum-
stances of its constitution. (Hear, hear.) The house
may not have observed, that within the ten months
,ince the early part of the year 1852, the supreme
governor of India ((or it is almitted, that the Pre-
sident of the Board of Control is the absolute ruler of
India, so far as any individual in this country can be
so)—has been changed no less than four times. At the
beginning of last year, in February., the Pr sident of the
Board of Control was Lord Broughton, formerly Sir John
llabhouse. I will say nothing of his government, or of the
manner in which he administe.red Indian affairs, except
that he was one of the most contented and somnolent of
statesmen that ever filled that or any other office. (Loud
laughter, and " Hear, hear.") After Sir John Hobheuse
we hid sir. Fox Maule, in February also, as President of
the Board of Control, and he remained in office about three
weeks, 1 believe. (" Hear, hear." and a laugh.) On the
abolition of tho governeceut of the noble lord (J. Russell)
the right hon. gentleman, the member for Stamford
(Mr. 11erries), was appointed President of the Board
of Control, and he remained in office until the
change of -at took place about Christmu,
. .

ing of the course the hon. gentleman hrd taken. (._
hear.) The hon. gentleman had taken the opportunity of
a formal motion that the house at its rising should adjourn
to Monday, not for the purpose of asking a question of which
he bad given notice, not for the purpose of stating facts, or
making explanations in introducing his question, but for
the purpose of making a speech of an hour's duration in
condemnation of a government that for tke last 70 years had
ruled over India. (Hear, hear.) He (Lord J. Russell)
begged to say that the desire of the government was
to do that which they sincerely believed was
most fitting for the welfare of 100 millions of
subjects under the sway of England. (Hear, hear.)
Among those who had held office in India, the
Earl of Ellenborough entertaiacd an opinion adverse
to the constitution of the government as it at pre-
sent exists, and consisting of the Beard of Control, the
East India Company, and the Governor-General, and be
proposed a mode of government of a different kind. He
(Lord J. Russell) believed he was correct in thinking that
the balance of opinion coincided with that of Lord Har-
dinge. who had also been Governor-General, rather than
with that of Lord Ellenborough. In the course of the pre-
sent session the select committee was again appointed, and
the hon. gentleman the member for Stamford ex-
pressed a hope that they would go into the other subjects
of the inquiry, and stated it to be his opinion that it was
indispensable that the house should legislate for the
government of India in the present session. Since
then the committee had proceeded with the inquiry,
and although there were many objects of inquiry which
were of importance, there was only ono point which was of
the first importance. If the committee was to find that the
government of India was not totally different to what it had
been represented by the hon. member for Manchester—if
they were to find that it was a government like some of
which we had read, a government whose proceedings were
characterised by rapacity, and that the people were suffering
under its infliction—then it would be a question for the
of that iv

they been subjected, sufficiently, demonstrated that
national feeling had always been that persons holding the
Jewish faith were necessarily, in consequence of their faith,
excluded from eats in parliament. He replied to the noble
►ord's minim that all subjects of this country were
entitled to an equality of civil rights by saying
that the noble lord confounded civil with political
rights ; and he pointed out that although certainly all sub
jects of this country were entitled to and did possess equa-
lity in civil rights—vie., as defined by Blackstone, personal
seeurity, and the right of private property,—there was the
very greatest inequality in the possession of what were
termed political rights, but what should be called p•ivi•
leges. Our whole political system was &system of qualifica-
tions and disqualifications ; and that religion entered :iito
the question of qu►lification was proved, he thought, even
in the Roman Catholic Relief Bill, whereby Romeo
catholics, not for political reasons, but as he believed for
reasons arising out of their religious faith, were still ex•
eluded from certain great offices. The argument, tb it be-
cause Jews voted for members of parliament, therefore
they might consistently be permitted to be elected as
members of parliament, was, in his opinion, a most
absurd one. A voter excreted an infiniv,irnal
ence : it member receded a direct and tangible influence.
It tied been argued that Jews ought to be admitted into
parliament because they were already allowed to rote for
representatives. But it was quite a different thing to per•
mit a Jew to vote for a Christian legislator and to be a
legislator himself. Nor was there any more force M the
view that had also been urged—namely, that they ought to
admit Jewish members because there were Jewish magis-
trates. A magistrate wa, compelled to administer the laws;
but a legislator was above all law. (Great laughter.) There
could be no question that that was the case ; in 55 far as a
man was a legislator he was above the law, and was amen-
able to nothing but those moral restraints which must idle-
, ence the acts of the highest as well as the meanest person is
the realm. (Hear, hear.) Besides, the Jews were a race
' eatirel- - and distinct from all other nations. They

copies of any correspondence that had taken place between
the Admiraty an Sir B. Walker respecting the with-
drawal from the latter of the appointments of master smiths
and other artificers.
MORALITY OF THE TOWNS.
Mr, HUME moved for returns of the number of drunk
and disorderly persona apprehended luring the last year
in the towns of England and scotl-- ' •• • " • the

Kov..ritaten
when that right hon. gentleman was succeeded by another
right bon. gentleman the member for Halifax. (Hear,
hear.) Now, I have no doubt all these were well meaning
men, bat nobody will believe that they knew more about
Indian affairs than their neighbours—nobody ever disco-
vered that they had paid any particular attmtten to Indian
questions, yet whether a man has been Secretary-at-War
tor several or Chancellor of the Exchequer, or an,

house whether they would not alter the nature v. go-
vernment. But he (Lard J. Russell) believed that there
was not the least possibility that the evidence would be of
such character. There was, however, no reason why the
committee should not proceed to consider all the points
of inquiry into which they had divided the suhjict ; and
with respect to the revenue, the judicial system, the naval
and military Tomatoes of the government of India, ob-
.

were amongst them, but net of them ; and their peculiar
custom, habits, institutions, and religion. must slit
prevent them from forming an alliance with the
nations by which they were surrounded. (licar, besel
A writer on Palestine had observed that there was every-
where a restless desire amongst the Jews to emigrate to that
country. There all their religious feelings and hopes were.
ntered. The home of their --ition was in Assyria;. eau
•

__ __ __ ________ ____ Scotland. dieinguishing , ,
___
__ ___ years, ... _ • ,
towns having under inhabitants, from these having a thing else, if he be of the official end routine party, he is taro all the evidence that was necessary. The committee , centerCel. The home of theii net-
population _
population above that amount. quite fit fur the government of India, or any other office to sow sat twice a week for three hours each time, or six l were they but protected, there was no doubt thal-wiilija‘,li
Agreed to. which it may suit the views of those who form cabinets to hours a week. if it was necessary to hear further evidence, I very short time. at least 100,000 of them would Clock
CRIME IN IRELAND. appoint him. (Hear, bear.) But not only have we had without asking them to emulate the diligence of Lord I thither. (Hear, hear.) But to descend to the minor 4111
Mr. FOX moved for an address for tabular returns of four different President' of the Board of Control within 10 George Bentiock in the West India inquiry; vet, if they ' conveniences of passing the measure. Suppose the.,..
the number of committals for crime in Ireland during each months, but we have also had as many as six different se- were to set for 12 beers a week, it would perhaps not be should become law, and suppose the hon. member for •w"'""
of the years from 1841 to I8;2. inclusive ; of the number of cretaries, most of them, I believe, members of this house. thought to be asking too much of their attention. 110 was ; trose should think the state of their business should rt oire
committals in England and Wales for each year of the same (Hoar, hear.) The house will see then that the re is nothing sure that although it was desirable to consult the conve- I the attention and attendance of hon. ef,illbeff, and should
period ; and, in each case, of the number of seemed per- like a continuous government in the Board of Control, and I nicnco of the members of the committee, when their • move for another call of the house. Now,
sons unable to read or write, and their centesimal Proper- there is naturally a great indisposition on the part of ally 1 convenience was put into the balance with the wel- ' that call were tiled for a Friday evening, would the house
bon to the whole. Jewish
person coming casually end fur a short period into the office fare of India, it would he considered better be prepared to say that respect for the faith of the i
Ordered. to attempt to grapple with a great question like the govern- that they should suffer some inconvenience, than that the ! members ought to induce it to accept that a
BETHLEHEM HOSPITAL. I ment of India. (Hear, hear.) But we havo some inquiry welfare of India should be endangered. But after all the i excuse for their absence ? Hear, hear.) Or, agate
o
gir B. HALL had a question to ask of the Luder-Seere• of SUMO kited—we have a committee—with many eminent question arose was, whether it was or was not for the : suppose a Jew were nominated on an election cammittr,
hmy for the Home Department, previous to which he men sitting as members upon it—and he understood that benefit of India, that in accordance with the proposition of I There was an act of pa,li..ment which comee•lled elee! on
wished to remind the house that the Lunacy Commissioners the right hon. gentleman the member for Stamford at the the hen. member fur Manchester, the renewal of the committees to moot day by day, with the exc. ption of Tut'
had made a report with reference to the treatment of hum- conuneneerumt of the proceedings of that committee present or the formation of a permanent government of day, Christmas.clay, aid Ooed Fridays—days, braes
ties in Bethlehem Hospital, and that in that report it was divided the subject of tbo inquiry iota eight branches or In !in, should ho delayed for too or three years, which Jews utterly scorned and disregarded. New; "pa;
suppose further,
stated that the female lunatics were suljected to treatment , heads, and placed at the beginning of them—as that to be and that al; that time India should be kept in total uncer- I pose the S,shha,th should occur while such a eon:tilts! was
of the most cruel and disgraceful character. Among other I taken flat—the circumstances and method of the home triuty, as to the nature of the government which it was I sitting, would the house be prepared to pas: au act el pea
it was stated that young girls were made to stand government. (Hear.) Now lam not a member of that proposed to give her. The hon. member fcr notzbeAer ll:mtent for the purpose of releasing Jews from ',Aline, on