The Express.
London, England, 1849-11-29 00:00:00

RAILWAY MEETINGS.

SOUTH WESTERN RAILWAY.
SPECIAL MEETING.
Yesterday a special general meeting of the pro-
prietors wes held at Nine Elms to determine on the propriety
or otherwise of making appliestion to parlia-nrat in the su-
ssing session for an extension of the time for carrying out
the provisions of the act for the exteneion of the lice from
the Waterloo Terminus to London-bridge. The chair was
takes at ors o'clock by Mr. Cmagusr, M.P.
The CHAIRMAN, in opening the proceedings, anted
that In coosequenes of no official communication having
been received from the secretary of the delegates who met to
Palace Yard in t me to be included in the notice, that gun-
'heriotr
disausnot it
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den was not announad for diacuasion. It would be for the
dyntwst to hivee ied
betelliindtrudnor'cod:nellivee
benefitof
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hesestly managed tram the commencement of the railway;
sad the capital would not be reduced, nor the dividends
ineressed, by the audit question. They must look to the
further dent panne of traffic on the lines and it was with
that view that he wished to introduce the question of the
extension to London-bridge. The passenger fans could not
at waiton souywitb patience tib
se naced
advised fa
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its p e rui
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be lowered with advantage to the company ; aid they must
em derive a great deal more from economy, ei her as re
Pcuaniuld.
eluded their tfficiele or their labourers. The number of
teaks could not be reduced without damaging the inter-
.lB.2thathisesetbaninflteywaretvoiassbousat,
Nuns of the district. The only resource which he felt to be
available was the merchandise traffic,. They could only be
restored from their falling position by the merchandise
trade. That trade was sot to be collected in the
districts traversed: it could only be derived from •
further development of the port and commerce of
Southampton. It had occurred to him, after close corn-
' pering, that the bulk of the merchandise traffic which they
then derived from Southampton was attributable to the
steam-ships and mail-packets; there was very little from
trading vessels, and the trade altogether was at present
merely nominal. Hitherto there bed been a want of co-
operation between the Railway Company and the Dock
Company, and whenever a reduction of charges had been
made by the former, an increase bad been effected either by
the Dock Company, or by intermediate agencies, so tbat
'hey (the Railway Company) had not reaped the benefit
expected. Now, arraugemems had been made with the
Dock Company, in the appointment of a join: committee of
management, possessing due authority to regulate the
charges for tonnage, entries in'o tie port, manipulatioas
is the dock, railway transit, and collection and deli-
very of goods, in order to secure, If possible, a develop-
ment of too merchandioe traffic of Southampton. Hitherto
navies having vested interests in the docks had prevented
any such arraugement from being carried out ; but from the
et of January next new imports and exports would be in-
troduced, end every effort would be made to bring ships to
the port and to ensure deep itch and economy. Such scope
for increasing this branch of traffic had never before been
presented to the company. As regarded the extension to
London-bridge, he would observe that the company bad not
hitherto commanded the fruit trade of the Levant and the
Peninsula because of the loading and unloading at the
Nine Elms, but it was thought that by this means they
might succeed in attaining it. They felt—or rather he felt
personally, for the directors did not saltlike the same view—
(hoar, hear)—he felt that they would succeed. If the object
could not be attained without going to London-bridge, it
might be regretted two or three years hones that they
had not gone there. (Cries of " Never.") The dinston
taming pledged themselves not to mare without the share-
holders had been faithful to their promise. The laud might
have been bought in Augu t lost had the directors chosen to
take that course; but the directors had preferred taking the
opinion of the shareholde rs before proceeding any farther.
The powers having cost so much to obtain, they would cer-
tainly have been censurable had they not submitted to the
proprietors the question of renews. (Hear, hear.) The
hen. gentleman then entered into a comparison of the pas-
serine traffic with the merchandise traffic en the line from
Havre to Paris, the former brine 3,0001., and the latter up-
words of 4,0001., although the railway ran parallel with a
river. There was reason to hope that by • vigorous and
united effort they would secure a great increase of their
merchandise traffic. 'fhe meeting might think that it
would be better to clone the aceounts--(oheers)—bet in
voting against the renewal of the powers they would incur
as much responsibility as rested on theme who took the same
view as him., it', (Hear, hear.) Having thus explained his
own views on the subject, he would leave the question in
the hands of the proprietors.
Mr. ASHMORE asked what would be the length of the
extendoe.
The CHAIRMAN—OIe rcile.
Mr. ASHMORE asked, also, what was the estimated ex-
pence, including Plyt rr kind of outtay.
The CHAIRMAN-610,0001. (Cries of " Oh, oh,"
laughter. and • voice, " A million and • halt.")
Mr. ALEX. KAY, the chairman of • regent meeting of
proprietors at Manchester, was glad to °burrs that the
coairman had shrunk from the responsibility of himself pro-
posing a revolution in favour of applying to parlament.
(Harr, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN sail he had at all 'WWI not 'brook
from publicly expressing his opinion. (Hear, hear.) As
some of his nolleaccues differ.:d :rum him, he did not know
bow he could with propriety prop so artsulutioa as chairman
of the board.
Mr. CHRISTIE said, that in order to raise the question,
be had no objection to move that the necessarynotices loran
agplies:itm to parliament should be given. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. S I EEL seconded the motion.
Mr. SNOW would remind hen. proprietors, that what
they were then ea:led upon to decide, was not whe
tiler they would go to London-hridge, but whether they
would ask for power to do so her. after. As an original
proprietor, holding by no means the least stake in the con-
cern, he felt that his prop rty might be thrown away if the
powers granted by the legielature were suffered to lapse.
Mr. A. KAY said he was prepared to accept the responsi-
bility of opposing the application to parliament—(. Hear,"
and cheers)—being convinced that it was impossible for
them ever to derive any pr. fit from the proposed scheme,
and the, on the contrary, it would, if d out, involve •
large annual lest. In Jar., 1846, the chairman stated
that the result of inquiries by the directors was, that the
scheme ought to be persecuted. Nothing beyond general
statements was then put forth. From the papers lodged in
the Private Bill-office, itappeared that the line was to branch
off in two directions near Loudon bridge. The estimated
expense was 600,0001. On this occasion there was an entire
departure from the ordinary course of proceeding. So much
power was placed in the hands of the directors, that the rain
log aloud', except by means of borrowing, was not provided
for ; and the y had been told that dayby the chairman, that
the asking of their permission was a favour. (Hear, hear.)
There was an arrangement, he undentoad, between the di-
rectors and Mr. Alderman Humphery, by which the latter
was to receive 140,0001. for a piece of land. (Hoar.)
Mr. TITE rose to order. (Loud cries of "Kay, Kay,"
"Order, order.")
The CHAIRMAN acid there was no such engagement.
He knew nothing about 140,0001. (Hear, hear )
Mr. KAY said that by the act power was taken to buy 20
acne for a station. Such an embankment was to be placed
against the river as the Commissioners of Woods and Forests
and the Corporation of London should direct, and they were
to pay the paving rate in the parishes through which they
went, and the church rates in St. Saviour's, Southwark. He
put it to the meeting whether a bill involving
such engagements ought not to be abandoned ?
(Chows, and cries of " Kick it out.") For
• long time the directors rested on their oars with regard to
this question. The compulsory prices would, in fact, have
expired last August but for the passing of a general set,
which extended the prices for another year. In going to
parliament for an improved immure last year the directors
did not ask for an extension of time; a conclusive proof
that at that period they did not intend to re-introduce the
sutject. They were now asked to spend 3,0001. for • little
time. The shareholders could not spare 3,000 pence.
(Cheers.) Much as be admired Mr. Bircham's talents, be
thought he had already had toe much of their money.
(.. Hear, hear," and cheers.) No sane man would enter on
this scheme : it was like the expedient of the gamester who
naked his last penny. (Cheers.) The hon. gentleman
then read four tables, showing the capital already expended,
the revenue received from extensions already opened.
and what, in his estimation, would be the real
cost of the extension to London-bridge. He maintained
that the extensions already opened had not only proved
valueless, but had caused an actual loge to the company.
The following was the statement in reference to the expenses
of the extension :
" Much understated eoct'of one mile and a quarter from
York-road to London-bridge, including area of 20 acres for
station, 1,000,0001.; much understated annual charge in
respect thereof, via., interest at 41 per cent., if the entire
amount be borrowed, 46,0001. ; working expenses of 11
mile, via., le. 101 per train, for 26 trains per diem,
J. 71. Bd-8691. 18e. 4d. ; expenses of station, clerks,
pesters, rates, tae,, lighting, and mileage duties, 6,0001. ;
much overstated annual income, via., 6,000 passengers per
day, or 2,190,000 for the year, at an average of 2d. each,
18,2501. ; net profit on goods traffic, there being no charge
for expenditure on this head, 12,0001., least probable
amount of annual cost."
Nuw the proprietors must tell the directors in a voice of
thunder that they should not indulge their personal vanity
by r;valling the monster folly of the Easton terminus.
He was glad to seethe chairman looking so well. (Laughter.;
He and** other directors would not have been able to ideal
in their beds if they carried this scheme—it would rise befor
them like a net;hunare. And even it they did net care for
such a result themselves, they were bound to consider the
interests of others. (Cheers.) He concluded by proposing
the following amendment :
" That it is at present inexpedient to apply to parliament
for an extension of the powers of the London bridge Eaten.
sion Act, 1846, it,being the opinion of this meeting that the
capital accounts of the company should be closed without
further delay: the liabilities of the company aseertaisod and
stated by the directors in their next hall-yearly report; and
that the further energies of the directors should be entirely
devoted to developing the traffic sources of the company on
its different lines and branches, and to introducing and en-
forcing the most rigid economy is every department of the
cmapan) s works and 'Bain."
Mr. WALKER seconded the amendment.
Mr. Bede:int GAZELEE said that it this line were to go
on, the shareholders would be in a sad predicament ; (or he
had pledged himself that it the Ilse were made not e'en 211.
Tit'ollid be charged ; but the public should be car,ied Feats
The lee.noed serleant then quoted from • former speech cl
the cloak man to justify this statement, frog.. which it ap-
ps,sengsrs would not be called up n to the", sorbing extra.
eesre'l that the chairman had declared that 'ale Southampton
tie (3U. &siesta (J%ache) would this question on the

Mud basis that be had no confidence in the e treaters Si •
holy. (Cheers) Public men should be above suspicion.
He wooed then ask the auditors whether any of the directors
bad burrowed the company's money to pay up their own
eats. at what rate of interest they had borrowed it, and
whether a loan of 16,0001. had been granted on the security of
a direct, r of another railway company, and was still unpaid?
Mr. CLOSE, one of the auditors, replied that no money
wan rimed., borrowed, though some of the directors, being
in arrear for calk were debited in the books in the same way
as other proprietors bad been. No money actually palsied
to them. It was a mere debit of of cal's. The
wedeors had complained to the directors, and the evil had
been redr wed.
Mr. BOERS, the other auditor, said ft was with pain
that be found Mr. Close and hintselediffering with respect to
this transaction. (Hear.) When they came to these
amounts in the ledger they instantly saw that something
highly improper had taken -place with regard to the finances
of the company, mid they called upon Mr. Urielli, the chair-
men of the finance committee, for explanation. The trans-
actions ureic place long before Mr. Close and himself
accepted office. Had they told the proprietors cot their dis-
covery, one result probably would have been a depression of
the shares, and they thought it better, therefore, to remain
quiet. (Hear.) Within four or five days from the time
when the matter wee mentioned to the directors a large
emnunt was paid, and the balance was newly wiped off
before the next meeting of the proprietors. (liesr, hear.)
There was one transaction still open ; it ought to have been
eloped; and if any lois was sustained he thought the directors
would be hound to make it good. (Hear.)
The CHAIRMAN said the documents relating to the
nutter would be brought before the House of Peers by Lord
Brougham.
Mr. ROTES considered that the directors were greatly to
blame. With rupee% to the transaction which he bad par-
ticularised they were most reprehensible.
In reply toe question from Mr. BAKER,
l'ir. CLOSE said that before the auditors celled attention
to the subject no security was given by any of the directors.
The CHAIRMAN thought be knew more of these tran-
sactions than the auditors and he believed that when his
explanation had been hued the meeting would feel disposed
rather to thank the directors than to blame them.
(Laughter.) Ti. truth was that when the third shares were
issued they were not subscribed for by the rublic. The
dire Mon being desirous that no load should rest on the con-
cern asked themselves what was to be done with the unsub-
striped shares; and in order that they might appear bakes
the proprietors with a clear breast, it was at length agreed
that the remaining shares should he taken up by the dine-
ton and one or two of their private friends. The result was
that 26 per cent. more was deposited as security than
otherwise could have been deposited. Those who took the
shares bound themselves not to negotiate them fur within
five or six months ; he could not remember the precise pe-
riod. Lest the property of the proprietors should be de-
pressed by the issuing of them, they were locked up in the
strong box. (Hear, bear.) The gentleman referred toss
not being a proprietor bad lodged as security 25 per cent.
more than the amount due from him. This was a plaia un-
varnished statement.
Mr. Serjeant GAZELEE maintained that a board which
could act in such a manner was utterly unworthy of confi-
dence. Instead of going to parliam..nt, they should weed the
direction. and infuse new blood into it. (Cheers.)
The amendment was then put and tarried, only four bands
being held up against it, Mr. Tite being among the dis-
gentients.
The effect of this decision was, of course, to negative the
proposition to apply to parliament for an extension of time ;
the extension scheme itself being thus virtually ebandoned.
Mr. Serjeant GAZELEE then proceeded to propose the
following resolution :
" That the directors be requested not to attend the meet•
ing of delegates in Palace yard, and that a petition be pro.
seated to parliament in favour of a government audit."
Lord MORLEY, a director, said it appeared to him that a
very grave and serious charge having been made against the
board, the meeting are bound to appoint a committee of
inquiry
Mr. Serjeant GAZELEE thought the meeting had better
first discuss the Buell question. (Hear, hear.) He had re-
ceived from all parts of the country letters remonstrating
against the conduct of the self-elected delegates who had
met in Palace-yard. (Hear, hear) lie could not ade-
quately confess his sense of the indelicacy of dem promed-
ings. Thank God, the eyes of the country were open to the
deeds of railway directors and parliamentary lawyers
.—(eheers)—and they could no longer t e deceived by efforts
to cast all the blame of the past on that unfortunate, and as
he really believed, injured man, Mr. Hudson. (Great
i laughter.) Another bole-anthcorner meeting was to take
place on the 3rd of December, and it nu to that meeting
that his resolution related.
The resolution having been seconded,
Mr. HELPS said, that even if the propositions of the
delegates would afford a fair security, they would clearly
never obtsin the sanction of public opinion in rasing the
value of railway property in the market. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. MOVES said his experience during the last twelve-
months, had convinced him that a government audit would
not alone afford sufficient protection. (Bear, hear.) He
MN nit in favour of such an audit. (Hear, hear.) At the
same time he agreed with Mr. Serjeant Gaselee in respect to
the proceedings in Palaee.yard. (Cheers.) It was simply
la meetiug of directors, and the cloven foot crept out in nearly
every proceeding. By one resolution it was provided
that the auditors should report not to the share-
holders but to the directors. The effect of Oct
er,thl,l he, that if the report were favourable to
ate board it would be submitted to the proprietors; if
unfavAiraole, it would be cushioned. (liter, bear.) The
6th resolution was unjust, the Bth simply ridiculous. His
opinion was that the proper course was to ask mall anent for
increased powers for the investigation of their own affairs.
(Cheers.) He then proposed a series of resolutions; the
first condo inning the bill agreed to at the Palace.? and meet-
ing
.as not adapted to the end in view, and the next de-
claring that iu any act which might be passed, ample
provision should be made to nable shareholders to make a
biLoonzugeleehtthts
medal;
more minute investigation into their own affairs than had
hitherto been precticeble. The other resolutions were in
accordance with the foregoing. He concluded by urging
the pro;riet ors to dismiss tram their minds the delusion, that
if they h.d a government audit, they might go to sleep.
They must exercise their rights with vigilance, er by and by
they would have no property to ptotect.
Mr. KAY observed that the resolution passed in Palace-
yard, provided that the accounts presented to half yearly
meetings should be final. lie strongly otjected to any such
provision. At a recent London and North Western meet-
ing the reports were issued, damp from the press, to the
proprietors assembled. The principle involved in the reso-
lution was cooteary to that acted upon in all the great bank-
ing-house and mercantile firms of London. He believed
that, in the house of which Mr. Glyn was a member, any
error exceeding 1001. might be taken into consideration after
the accounts had been passed. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HALL, magistrate of Bow street, was decidedly in
favour of • government audit, and equally in favour of con-
ferring increased powers on proprietor..
Mr. REED, (a director), was against this active inter-
ference of • government auditor, because it was founded on
the very unsound principle of government meddling with
private affairs. (Cries of " No, no," and "Hear, hear.") He
would propose the following resolution .
"That a committee be appointed to examine the queetion
of audit, and to recommend in a report to the shareholders
the plan they may deem b ist for procuring and establishing
an effective audit, and also such measures as they may thick
are essential to the protection of the interests of the share-
holders."
Mr. TITE observed that when the capital account was
closed, as it soon would be, all the auditing would have refer-
er.ce to two re three hundred thousand pounds of oo .
Was it to he believed that such business-like men as their
present auditors were incompetent to discharge that duty ?
The CHAIRMAN had received • nearly equal number
of letters fa and against the government audit.
Mr. BIRC HAM, the company's solicitor, having been
whoa to decl.re whether the audit question, not having been
i included in the advertisement, any resolution on the subject
would be legal, declared that no resolution tor practical
purposes would be legal, but that it was open to the meeting
Ito make any expression of opinion.
After some further discupsion, Mr. Serjesnt Oavelee's mo-
lotion was put, and the chairman declared it to have been lost.
Mr. Reed's resolution was then carried uneniniously.
Hovel, Mr. Baker, with power to add one to their number.
Hall,
zdfro.llos.wireriges.art ecit.hooenea, males,.
'('he meeting was about to separate, when
otf
,t,chkee.commrm. ill.. apt.:
meMr...
The CHAIRMAN reminded hon. proprietors that they had
not yet appointed a committee to investigate tee charges
investigation.
agamattubset
othrie,idniraetoctroro.f, tad
ecacllheduguespo,ntoMprrofipmerimannt
the question,
Toe CHAIRMAN put it to those present (many proprie.,-
exhibiting an indisposition to entertein
wished for investi-
inquiry. cm.i.elNewdoh, :Yoh no.")
The showi they
of bands against
meeting, take an opportunity of examining into the facts,
and if necessary he would bring the question again under
gWanTM' i °hrne. or
havingler
j eoettailangtft(C:hhriensrooda'i' GAZELEE aid haswoet 1 d , before
consideration.
On the motion of Mr. HAY' slate of thanks was given to
the chairman foe the patience and good temper which he bad
displayed on that mese ton.
The CHAIRMAN, in repludig, said that it was his duty
to manifest patience in the choir ; but he censinly felt that
.) the proprietors had turned routed upon the directors rather
op hardly.
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DREAD/1M FIRE AND LOSS OF DgE.—A cc.roner'w
inqoiry wu opened at Bolton on Monday, before Mr. J.
Taylor, concerning one et the most di.astrous fires that bee
occurred in this neigishours um: for, many seam. Shortly
mitre two o'clock on Sunday isontiog the premises of Mr.
W. Saunders, tailor and draper, aiture in Dei:Neste, were
discovered on fire. The ioinates °impel ed ID Saunders,
his wife and sister, four children, and two dome cies ; and
on the police aronsine thorn as to their perilous position Mr.
Saunders rushed down the stairs and opened the front door,
with a view of effecting their immediate escape, but the
flames had extended to the staircase head and prevented all
chance of rescuing those who remained in he premises by
the ordinary way. It should be stated that ehe sister of
Mr. Saunders, with two e.ildren and a servant, had suc-
ceeded in rcachin tha street before the stairc.ise ignited.
ai''
When the fire ...as extinguished the rest of the inmates were
found in ore of the workrooms, apparently dead from Buffo-
cation. They were removed to a nemhbourie.g hail, when
M.:s. Saunders and her dauebter Maria e IhiblVii strap o
7,;„Z-7-1,-,
of returning animation. Restoratives were I),T,eiee.o4 in_ __,.....,,-i: :14,
and tuey are likely to recover. With ll"ai bay and or :- .
' : te
. ver, life had quite fled. The orir',o maid n„, be i',
~, >tt
welly ascErtaioed, and, in order.: teat the fullest info,. . • ...e
thei'D':iry WAS SlOATlmed tilt F . ''.'...'. • . ..::
Welt be chained,
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THE EXPRESS, THURSDAY EVENING,

SPORTING.

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TIM Marl► and 11 lb heat, sr.s • rift by woonliot.
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CkIASK.
The Continuareo of the Ittet Its rendered it atotosaty to
purpose Otto. rem. anal Writ s•lar • ro.
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II to I aatalion.

above 1.5 years co' ago. She was sornetinero in the habit of
going errands for ntr father, and on tne oecuion, sot n
after the defendant bed taken the house which he 'nob at
Tottebbene, she was seat by her father (the plaintiff) to the
defendant's with a jar al prate* w bob the defendant had
purehmed. It was sn that occasion that the defendant first
saw the girl. Shortly after teat she was sent agsfa by her
father en • similar errand to the defeades.'s house. The
deleadeat wee in his shop, sent to which was • sillies
roes en the round filer. That room was scarcely Subbed,
and the shutters of • window in it towards the street were
closed, amid whoa the child (for he, &geoid Bytes, mast
call bar a child) Mae into the shop, the defer
drat asked her if she would like to lock at his new
room. She went to the door of the room with him. Ha
thee asked her Mein. farther into the TOON, end bedded
helm me beyond the [The leaned oedema proceeded to
state wise nalmegmeatly happened, which will be found given
is the raillesse bele v *fibs plaratil's darahter.)
Framer Elisabeth Carer examined by lit* Serjeant
Bylse—l am the eldest dauthter of the plaintiff. I was 16
years efel het July._ My
.the lives at Totemic's. I have
four sisters sod leenter. My father is the postaiuter at
Tottaukam. oleo keeps a grocer's shop, and is • news-
voider. The defendant was a baker at Totmaltam.
Defendant has not been many months in Totten-
ham, aad Ws now left there. I used to mist
my lecher in his shop. I need to go errands for him. I
seselleet the drat time I was sent to the dsfendaat'e shop.
It was in October, 1848. It was abut the middle of the
day dies I went the fiat time. A few days afterwards I
was states* to the defendant's shon. I saw the defendant
ethic HUM west to his shop, and nothieg pawed bowlegs
rasa that raindos. When I went the sewed time ft wee
between ace and two o'clock in the day. I teak Merle en
the second omission as well as on the int. The delhadmit
was is the shop on the second occasion. He was these
aloes. He Is smirked with the smallpox, and is a Mod and
ether short man. Oa the seised emeska the diftmeimit
asked nee how I was. I told Ma, sad he then seed me
if I should like to see his rocs. I weed es he es
the draw. That door lei into • MM. The shallow of the
window in the rum were up. White I got te the parieur
deer the defendeat said, "Gee Mb and lock at the room."
I then went a little further into the 100111, when the de
hatleat abut the deer. Hie then threw use dews est the
leer with vioismee. I fell upon say back ou the Rem.
The datit then knelt on my chest. I kicked sea
struggled to get away. (The witness here described mere
ar the assult) I afkrwrade bad • child. The
Lftedi7
anullafear the assault erased the parlour-door, and I
mid at fret I should tell lay father. and the defendant said,
"Oh me yea won't; you will eons &gals." Beeept that
time Issue had seasesion with the defendant nor any
see else. I did not tell my father nor say see else what
bad leappneed, when I got home. I Wane very ill and
could net Mewl to say duties. My younger deter mate
from sand to take my place la the shop. She wed out
errands he my steal. sail • boy was employed to take out
the newspaper, which I seed to do. The defendant had
been in the heroes in Oreerplue, Tottenham, two or three
rumba before be bad connexion with see. I have never 11
Wee in the defendant's house re in his company Mao,
this happened ; sad I bed never been in his house, aceia '
hale compeay, tempt on the two condone when I took the
pickles, before it he In consequenes of soy illness I
was takes up to Loads, Wma doctor. That was, I think,
etemewhere about • mouth after the defendant had had cos.
eszion with me. My father asked me to go • third time
with rattles to the &haul's shop. (Ur. Bramwell oh-
jeft44 to the wits= saying whether she refaced to go or
not. The objection was allowed.) My child is still living.
Cresrexamined by Mr. Bramwell—The connexion took
plate at Grove-place, Tottenham. The defendant went
there about a mos& before it occurred. The de-
fendant had been easqla on badness beftme at Hale-
piece, Tottenham. Ha su my father with bread when he
lived at Hale-place' and believe the defended supplied
breed to my father after he had removed to Grove-place. I
believe he supplied bread after he had connexion with me.
The post-ralles where my father's shop is, is at Tottenham-
moss ; it is about five minutes' walk free the defendant's
house. The defendant has bought other things of myl
father besides the pickles which I took biro ; I believe
candles and other things. It was beftire and after the de-
fendant was at Grove-plus that be had things of ley father.
The defendant sent for things, and I served some things
ones myself. I won't be quite sure whether the defendant
had anything or not hem my father after he had left
Orove-place, and before he bad eciummion with me.'
I believe the candles were had after the defends*,
had had connexion with me. The candles were had In
the present year, but I can't name the month. Ido
not rawer that the defendant dealt with another
grocer, and not my father. The defendant put his horse up
in a stable of my father's, and paid rent for it, and he rested
it up to June or July in the present year. My father fad •
horse in that stable belonging to the post-office. It was
used daily, and the prot-office boy drove it. There was no
intimacy between my father's family and the defendant.
The defendant was married in February in this year. Ido
rot know how long he courted his wife. I saw them ones Sr
twice together. It might have been a year before they IMO
married. I leave seen the defended and his wife together
before he had coanexion with use. I remember the Mini
ant eosins to may father's shop to ask ray father to emit him
in drawing • bill of exchange. It was after he had hod awe
De:ion with me. He saw myself and my mother hiker
being out. The /Kendra, said to wy anther that I did nethek
well. My mother said I was supposed to be in a decline. I
mad say in what month this took place. The defendant's
ebop is in the high road. The room in which he had con-
nexion with me was by the die of the shop, and the windows
looked into the high road. Tottenham is not a very great
thoroughfare. The defendant's business was a pretty good
one. It was in the beginning of October, 1848, that delis-
.. ant had coed:ion with ate. At that dine the defendant's
brother lived with him as pummel" Ido not know that
any people of the name of Wood lived there also. I think
that when I went to the defendant's a emend times the shop
door was open. The room dew has push all up it. I took
the pickles in a butte, and I said to the defeadaat, " Hers are
the pickles." I then laid them down on the counter and was
going out of the shop. I never saw the defendant paying
lather for the pickles. The defendant always paid ready
money fee what he had of say father. When I saw the dr
fendant's room I said it was a very aloe room. There was
plenty of light there. It was between one and two o'clock
in the day, and the shutters of the window were up. The
abutters slip up and down. There are two windows in the
room, and die shutters were not put up to the back window.
Winn the defended threw me down he laid bold of me
across the shoulders. Bofors this the defendant said the
room was • nice room. I struggled with the defendant
nod helloed, but not very loud. I was quite
eve:powered by the defendant. I cried very much
when I left the defendant. I cried ell the way
home. When I got home none of my family asked
wiiy I wan crying, end I did not tell them. I was taken ill
• few days after I had bad wane:ion with the defendant. I
weal abed Tottenham until I was taken ill. I know &great
meny yam, females shod my own age in Tottenham. Until
I saw the dieter Is London I did not know that I was in the
family way. I know a young man named William Charley.
He is a clerk to a Mr. Shnttleworth, an auctioneer at Totten-
ham. Three years ago he was pew opener in Tottenham
Church. He had nothing to do at the church in 1848. I
will swear that I have not bean in the church with Chalkley
when the congregation were not there. Chalkley
never had criminal intercourse with me at all. He did
rot have crimiicl intercourse with me in September or Oc-
tober, 1848. I know a Mrs. Diamond. I have been in the
church with Chalkley, and Mrs. Dimond in the week-
day. Other children were there also. My sisters were there.
Mrs. Dimond has turned us out of the church, saying she
would not have • mess made there after she ha/ cleaned the
place. She never turned me out of the church except with
giber children. I have been playing there. I swear I have
ea been in the &arab with Mrs. Diamond and Chalkley
wely. Mrs. Diamond hu not turned me and Chalklra out
of the church when nobody oleo has been there. I know a
young man named Jesse Kemp. He lived next door to as
• year or two. I have spoken to him per-
haps twenty times. He lived with his neuter,
who was a confectioner, and I knew him very
well. I never had criminal intercourse with him. I never
quarrelled with Chalkley on account of Sump._ I told
Cealkliy that Kemp had had intercoms with se, or quar-
relled with him on that account. Hemp has now left Tot-
tenham. Chalkley did once put me in the Terry-roan on
account of the clergyman coming into the church. Chadds,
remained outside the vestry room. My sisters and other
children were in the vestry-room. The four little °Main
were there. The eldest Garman is about twelve or harems
years of age.
Henry Wright examined by Mr. Willies—Witness had
lived as shaman to Mr. Hayden, • grocer at Tottenham
Higher's* Witness now lived at Stepney-green. Witness
used to call at the defendant's shop for orders. The de-
fendant took witness into his room one day, end said he bed
had coonexion with a party in diet teem.
Crosieramined by Mr. Bramwell—The deftadent mil it
was rumoured the plaintiff's daughter had had esenexima
with other people, hut he did not believe it. Warm could
not swear as to the month, or day of the month, whet the
I defendant took him late his room. The dsfeadent told
whams that he had thrown the person down and that she
fainted and then that he accomplished his purpose. Witness
asked the name of the party, but &thud's' would not give it.
Watson said nothing else at that time to the defendant. The
defendant would not tell witness the name of the party
whom he had mummies with at fiat, but afterwards he said
it was the servant at Mr. Moll's, as Orovisplsae, Tottenham'
MUMPS was • mambo/ man, and had beta married about •
fortnight. There never was a quarrel between witness and
the defendant about a bill which he owed Mr. Hayden.
Witness wet now a grocer at Stepney-green, on his own ac-
count. He had opened a shop there last Wednesday, and
had left Tottenham for good last Saturday. Witness OW
tinned good friends with the defendant after he had meg
the statement to him which he bad mentioned.
Re. examined by Mr. limited Sykes—Witness neva bal
any dispute with the defendant on any matter.
Anne Coyer, examined by Mr. any
was a
daughter of the plaintiff. Witness was prancer ibis' her
sister Frances, and was fourteen last July. The three Mine
*tea wen twelve, nine, and six pees of AM Reeser
bend bee sister Francis becoming ill. Wits= MR school after
her sister Frances became ill, and did bee bola= toe bar.
This mimes' was not eftesannsiasd.
lir. Bramwell then twoeseded to silken the jury for the
defendant. He said he roe to abbess them Ina Wiese
of great nabs, because, whether they Teemed a vadat gas
• amount of damages or a large sae dies'.
dent, that was to him a matter of eompersiiw
Oh he who not able to pay either (sows usisoillage=
anawl to say). But it was • quietism of elmsester, besease,
it* the position the defendant was la lama* be amid be
bead guilty of the serious offence hid be his allmmedes weak/
M beettievaWy ruined. The ha albs dehodeat was la the
blab a **jury, and if they hail a wad asaiat home
the mar he removed from say place when a rumor if
AM plss maid smali, the be[ va 7ks distimisal tfat

charged with the crime of reps, it the plaintiff's witnesses
were to be believed ; and he (Mr. Bramwell) wet aurgriod
that criminal proceedings bad not been taaen against thi-
defendent. In fact he though., in a case of ripe, it wes
necessary before • civil action could be brought. Th. re
were three things that struck him (Mr. Brewed') as'being
very singular in this case, sea they were that • ptrmon
ase*i • !male almost for the first time should commit •
rape without some solicitation ; secondly, that a child should
be the result of a first conatlio• ; and thirdly, that the
plalatife daughter should never have communicated the con-
ing eC the defendant until compelled to do so. His kneed
Mend (Mr. Berjt. Bytes) said it was her modesty that
kept her from doing so. If she had berm treated to the man.
air le whisk she had described, why dil she not tall her
family, and what had she to he shamed of in doing go ? The
natural feelings of a female so clanged as she swore she had
been would have led her to 'Mom her friends of the treat
meet she had received. The story told hy the plaintiff's
daughter was most incredible alttgether. Was it likely, it
the defendant had committed a rape upon the plaintiff's
daughter, that he would have had the hardihood and the
folly to say to her in her mother's presence, " You do not
look well ;" or was it likely that, after he had committed
such en offence, he would have gone to the plaintiff
sad asked him to assist him in drawing a bill
of inching. ? The conduct of the plaintiff's daugh-
ter in the witneerbox was worthy of remark. She,
a young girl who had been wounded in the feelings
which • female posesesee, had some into court before a host
of spectators, and without a sigh, a sob, ce even • blush.
glibly told her tale. With regard to the evidence of the
witness Wright he (Mr. Bramwell) submitted that It was
impossible to believe that any man could have taken no no-
tice and felt me indignation at sack • communication being
made to him as wee, Wright swore. the defendant made to
Ws. The knowledge that the derendant had injured tte
plaintiff's daughter had moo tc the plaintiff et Christie a,
1848, and y_et it was not until May, 1849, that the writ was
issued. He (Mr. Bramwell) was iestruend on the
part of the defeadant solemnly to deny the truth
of the accusation. The defendant had been serried in
Febreary, and the *kalif bed fixed upon him as the father
of his daughter's child, it Minig denshe had hod criminal
intercourse with some one. The defendant had been flit,d
upon with the hope that, rather than risk a verdict, he would
make • compromio. The learned counsel concluded •
very able speech, b' saying that he should call William
Chalkley before the jury, whe would swear that he had had
criminal bathrooms' with the plaintiff's daughter, and that
ha had intercourse with her ia the months of September and
October 1849, the child being born in July 1849. Mrs. Die-
mond would prove that she had turned Chalkley and the
plaintiff's daughter out of Tottenham church, to prevent
them desecrating it by having sexual intercourse then.
At the onelusioa of the learned counsel's address his
Lordship asked the jury if they wished the case to be ad-
journed; and being answered in the affirmative, the case
anode adjourned until half-past nine o'clock to-morrow
:this) meesing.

Rain iinteliteence.
COURT OF COMMON PLEAS.—YuffruiDaT.
flames AT Nm Peros.—Barou I.OIIID OEM Jame' WHIM Ann •
04010,1 Mar.
LLD= MID mune f. STIAnOI.—COPTIIOIM.
This ea., which was par tali trial rim rdev, was re.
mad at the sit.iog of the emir this wnrnino T • 'lamb
matios of the dere...ant% wi'lirsare for g e nrinned.
Mr. E,st John Weetropp, •:.mined by Mr. Serkent
Bytes—Wi nilt had been a musical temp vier in Londos. for
20 years. He bad compote d the s nit of she plaintiffs' with
the defendant's cditiou of the came in g, sad In his opinun
there was tot a sufficient difference in the arrangement so as
to give I' originelity. The %aria. ens hirers, n the two songs
wire trifl ng. There was a.. iseeniii.a nor any new idea in
the alterations which had bets suede In the song sold
by the pitied& There ass within/ in the alterations made
in the acne of the p:alatiffs worth imitation. There was so
value in them.
Mr. S.rjeant Bylet—Are there such men as hack nissi.
dui t ( Wuhan.)
Witness—l sea &raid there ace • great many. (Laughter.)
. One of that elms could make the alt. rations wish lied been
made in tne song sold by the plein•iff.. A hack astrielen,
for making altercions in an %tete, would perhaps be paid
one guinea.
Cross-examined by Mr. Strjrant Channel!—Wan of opi-
&gm thus the Epelhh ...nip" of ,he opera in que,tion wan
interior %tithe French edn, but the odition belonging to
the plainiith was tco sis theme It see wet like the
elegised foreign opera. Witness ....elsl net swear that. there
were not AO altersuons in the *driers of the plaintiffs. If the
ammo of a note in the arm samodinerat mold be called en
alteration. There were not, however, 60 improvements In
the edition of the plaintiffs.
Sir Henry Bishop. easatiatd by Mr. Serje'nt
Bytss—
Whet. was the professor sf music at the Univerity of
Oxford. He had compared tie .cos called "My hoyhold's
ench,nting theme," which wa sold by the plaintiffs,
with the origiasl song in the foreign opera. The melody
was the iame, but the arrangement of the symphonies sod
the accom,.animents were a ameba' varied. The melody
of the symphonies and toe areompteireents wee
varied. He cou:d not Rod any Invention In the
edition of the plaintiffs, %atrium that. was so clear an
imitalina of the original. Teem Imo • stentlanty between
We wag veld by the plebs, ifs and thst wild by the defendant,
kat it was not unlikkly 'hat two petite might have aoopted
the same alteeatios s. If 'b Freneti Whim had been simply
transposed from 0 lot to D natur..l, it wiissid have been
bet' or, and he shad woul.l be ((yid y saleable
with the edition of the plaintiffs. T-.e only etc impediment
that had been male was the •ranspseti n of the key, which
a IBM eo,lise timid do. Th-m. wee nothing in the plain.
tiffs' acoompenismint teat was nti.inal. The alterations
that bad been made tree to mak- it room simple than the
original. As to the violin purge which had been referred
to, that was trailer to the. ripioal, with the exception that
the mutes were =scission ci
QOM-. lambed by Mr 8.4 ant Chearell—The defen-
dant's copy WAGS, like the w,py st the plaintiffs as the copy
of the plaintiffs was like the otheieel. Cer'a'ely the copy
of the defeud Mt and that of •ne ri:al•eitte was alike. If
witness had not ems the tereign edition, he should say the
eopy of the plaintiffs lista law or ice di tend int reeembh d
welt other very much in all essential particular.. Witness
lad adapted • great many for ign operas for performance on
the English stoic, and n• always mad- what •Iteratiolle
from the original Le thought were nemostry on those
omissions.
John Freckleton Berrowea :mined by Mr. Elerjeint
Dylse—Witness was a mace ii c mro.rr, and had been so
upwards of 20 years. Will, se had heard the evidence of
Bit Henry Div op, and he avert with his statements ge-
nerally.
Crosmessiniurl by Mr. Seleant Channell—Witness did
not hear S r Henry Bi-hop setter any question which he
should have answered diffetet thy.
William Strange, juin., • :Jr et by Mr Serittant Bylee—
Witn es was • sea of the defindent Wi is f.ther for-
merly carried on batistes a' No 21, Nairn( 'tee row, as a
bookseller and publisher. sad ne .01.1 upon ei 'emission. Of
late years witness's lather had not it. iiitid any pablicitions.
The defendant never had any intermit in the " Musical
Bouquet," except milling it eri a e inno.e.on agent, and be
had nothing to do with the copyright of it. It was the in-
variable custom to pat the name of the agent on the
piece of music. Thy numbers of a pi es of music which
were not sold were either r •urired so the proprietor when
the account war settled, or k pt on her d and put into the
running account. 'lke whole profit whith the des
fondant had ever got upon the wag called " My boyhood's
love," tic., was 34. Tnr ilelerd.a., irs hum in the
Winer replant:ly since June, 1848 o.s the 27,11 Jothary,
1848, the date of the assigns's, se eit the copyright t i the
plaintiffs, and when the wives of the sent were bought, the
de/sodium was ill at her twain, ..t Ih.ya t arse.
Crcierewained by Mr. fiarj...int C.o.s. ell—slit defendant
lad been is businme about thirty years a. a b.wks. llir and
publisher. Ile had sold the " Musical Bouquet" from its
list publicatioc. Mr. Chart e Siteard wee the proprietor of
most of the music which was sold at the shop in Paternoster-
_ _ _

--this was the case on the pnrt ed the doh ntlant.
Mr. Berjeant Channall repli d. Ha admitted that the
plaintiffs' publication was not an original wok, but had been
taken, in all erential particulars, it. m the foreign edition ;
and all the merit claimed by the pieta. ill', toss tt at they had
taken a song most difficult o' executi .11 as it etoo I in the
foreign opera, and so sun p4fied it 'tat it could her performed
in private domestir circles to th it gr. at delight; and this
they had done at a great expi cove, wf ieh accounted for the
difference of pries between tt s and defendant's
editions, the latter having mei, ly co; led the plaintiff.' ver-
sion, with slight variations, ',nowt% nth,' at soy or comps,.
ratively small cost.
The Lord Chief Jostle., in summing up, said that the
action Ind one which was brought under an •et of Fulls-
seat whieh pasted some years sip, and had been extruded
Nose to apply to eases like tha pr. sent. The chase which
applied to the present case was the lbth clause. That dame
provided that any party knowing miry boric or jublication to
have been unlawfully printirt, or who should ant: it or cause
it to be sold, or expose it or csuse it to be exposed to the
public for sale or lire, shall be guilty of an Writ gement
of a copyright. In the present case the defendant was
charged by the plaintiffs with a thug the publicatian In
question, hat not with knowing it to be unlawfully
printed. If it was net:awry to support an action
Ike the present, that a defen,:ant should know that
a publication which he sold had been unlawfully
printed, then the declaration of the plaintiffs watt bad. If
the jury were of opinion that the defendant did not know
that the particular song in question had been unlawfully
said, still he (Lord Chief Junks Wilde) should recommend
the jury to find for the plaintiffs, because they bad not
charged the defendant with a knowledge that it had been
unlawfully prim tad; and if the court should think hereafter
that it was necessary to have charged a knowledge, thou the
plaintiffs would get no judgment. The first question for the
jury was whether the plaintiffs had proved themselves to be
the proprietors of the particular song in question. It was
true that the plidutiffa did not claim a capyright for an ori-
aorespesitioo, because a work composed abroad might
id hers by one tradesman as well as another.
Tina question, however, was whether the alterations witch
had been made in the foreign opera to adapt it to the English
made it a new work, so as to give a claim to a copy-
right. The second question for the jury would be whether
the defendaut printed and published the song is question.
The wen also to consider whether the wag sold by the
defendant was a copy of that sold by the plaintiffs, or whether
that sold by the defendant was not equally • copy from the
Awn* faiginal as the song of the plaintiffs was. The third
gaieties for the jury would be whether the defendant had
add theeoug with a guilty knowledge that it had been nn-
printed.
The jury then retired, and after an shame of upwards of
tee leers, retuned into court with the following verdict.
The homers said the jury found that the plaintiffs were the
Milltof the song called " My Boyhood's Love," ltc.,
ri
the defendant had sold a copy of that song. but be
had net sold it with a guilty knowledge that lt bad been un-
heftily rioted. They slao that Out so'old b the
disheideat was is all armadafound particulars a copy of that sold
ley the pinion&
This wee sabstautially • verdict for the plaintiffs. Leave
was reserved by his lordship to Mr. &thjeant Bylea to move
to eater a taisasait.
COLralt P. MATML—SIDUCTION.
Mr. Berjeaat Bytes and Mr. Wil es were counsel for the
plaintiff, and Me. Bramwell ter the defendant.
This was as Wien brought by a grocer and newevender at
Tottenham, swims the defendant, who had formerly been •
baker ia that Mesa. The detrains were laid at 1,00 k., and
the dellendsot pleaded not guilty.
Mr. iledimmt Dyke addressed the he the plaintiff,
mil said Ms wen an adios which require the very
milieu attention of the jury. The plaintiff, Mr. William
Colyer, is the pistmseter is the village of Tottenham ; he
is ales a great there In a humble way of bedlam, and a
aewsvesder betides. The deh M udast, ayas. has Istely
011/1.9 to reside at Tottenham, sod is a biker than. The
plaintiff has resided time he areseel years, end has a
et children, and ezie_te_. others daughter when as=
hones Elisabeth. The jury might easily suppose • ober.
living In that village, with si imp said
having 6 rest and tam to pay, would Meet the
et
his eltildres in the sasnesemot am' ; se=
entient. elteerid, end elisions* miaow had r
kat his dayblet. Both en the part of the Salad,
sad the eio, he (Bedlong BOG.) regretted to be
ebßged to tail theiler thug theAanghter haknot
vima les=re
IV e ebla t
mai
aiks. Wiwi Ins
this
axis we NI wising