The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-02 00:00:00

The e• was airsed to, as Ware also the following:
14,104 E for the Judith department La Caseda.
2901. er the tiVi eitabuitlilleat is the Bahasa Islands.
15,0141. foe the salaries of goveraors mad heat.-govsmes
0/ the West limbos entailer.
41.1501. for salsrive, allowances, and osatingessies of the
'drollery justices is the West India colonies and the Mau-
Ado.
13.680/. for the civil atablialunitnt oa the western tout of

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8901. for charges cliuseeted with the Island of St.

lelena.
yxof. for charges cossetted with the setthment of
Waters Autry,lis.
1.71111 in aid of she settlement of Port Resiegton.
Os the vote of 20,0001. for the colony of New Zealand,
bk. J. B. SMITH iequired with reference to:the salary gol
spot a year to the bishop, whether the ree:caiastical eeths
MIAOW of New Zealand was plead upon the same footing
ss that of Goads.
yr. NAwliti said be could not say that it was ; but tbo
Maus of New Zeeland was increasing so rapidly, that he
bal eery seas.. to believe that in a short time she would he
111140 d he utopia her own &wit ialalLsl,ilicia. (Hear.)
TM vote was agreed to.
So also was the vote of 1,0231. its the civil establishment
of Heligoland.
On the vole of 6,7001. for the Falkland bloods being
PrffsNat
Mr. COBDEN objected to it as • most enormous charge,
Be 'timid like the U. der Secretary for the Colonies to in-
Washey what watt the population of the Ealklan i Islands.
exaggerraing when he said it did not exceed 200 ?
Mr. HAWES—No.
Mr. COBDEN—Then hers was a colony with a popula-
tion of :00 souls, Of he believed he should be nearer the
mark if be said 160, costing 5.7001. a y.ar I', r government.
Ansi 35L a head fee governiag them ! Way they might
bring the irltabignats to this count and support them hots
tom ortably for less money. (Hear.) He asked of what possible
value could the Falkland blonde be to England. The ell,
mate was so bad that no one could live these, and . no ship
ever touched at their inhospitable coast," as was said by Dr.
Johiron many years ego. (Hear.)
Mr. HAWES ezuld not aware his hon. friend that this
estimate would he altered, though he thought that it would
be reduced. The Falkland Islands were not held simply foe
colonial or commercial purposes; hut there were political
considerations also In the matter. They were moat valuable
as a plata of call foe British ships.
Mr. COBDEN said, ho understood, however, that British
ships never did call there. He could not refrain from read-
log over the manner in ethics the mosey was expanded in i
the government of those island.. There was, governor,
800 f.; magistrate, 4001.; chaplain, 4001. • Barges, 3001. ;
best clerk, 1001.; monad cloth, 150 L ; sehxclesmater, 201.;
survey( r's dew:mut, 1,2301.; public works. 1,0501 ; G nachos,
3t)0!.; purchase of stores. freight of Tensely, and incidental
expenses, 1,1001.; rations. 7501—in all, 6,7001. Bonlill!
.
this c .entry had move money than it knew what to do w
if it were the molt flourishing nation in the world, it would
be impassable to throw away its money in a more wastes
manner than they were doing. (Hear, hear.)
The ergo was then wird tn.
On the vote of 25,0001. for the British settlement of Haag
Sone,
Mr. J. B. SMITH objected to the payment of 7101.17 e, tar
the eeclesisatieal estallisiunett in that colony.
Mr. HAWES said, if we for enantercial, and highly com-
mercial, coatiderations took possession of Hon, Kong, and
sent people out there it was not unreasonable that we should
penile for 0 eir had and spiritual instruction.
Mr. V. SMITH observed that the Governor of Hong-
Kong received 6.0001. a year, and the colonial secretary and
halm 3,'011.10.., whilst the same officers in New Zealand
received only 2,5001 and 1,2151. Why should there bo such
a mor.ttrous &ream ?
Mr. HAWES said that some of the salaries had been,
reteace3. It mint he remembered moreover that the duties'
of the governor of Hong Kong were not merely confined to
tkg mtticment ; but he was the superintendent of trade,
and hod to inspect the whole of the consular establishments
otChina, which rendered necessary the employment cf a
large and expensive staff.
Mr. MITCHELL 'invested the reduction of the following
salaries to at least one halt—governor 6,0001.. colonial et ere.
pry and auditor 3 3011. 10a., treasurer, 1,8551., surveyor-
general 2,0301., harbour master, 1,1001.
Mr. HAWES asked the bon, gentleman at all events to
wait till next year.
Mr. II GIBSON would like to know how our trade was
benefited by the possession of Hong• Kong. He had heard
it said that it was not of the slighte•t advantage to Engl end,
end he took it upon him to say that the United States would
sot have lea trade with China for not having a Hong-Kong.
Tne oaly benefit derived from it was obtained by those who
got the plans, and those who had the patronage at their dist
para. (hear, hear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the vote of 9,8271. for the government of Labnan,
Mr. COBDEN sold that this appeared to be a very similar
case to that of the Polkaed Islands. We gook possession of
a barren reek ; anumed that there would be a I ires trade
there ; the trade did not come, hot we planted an establish-
ascot there large enough for a pent community. Here were
the .:peewee: Governor sod commandergo-chief, 2.00 a ;
live. governor sad magistrate, 1,3741.; muter-attendant
and putiessta, BOW. ; surveyor, SOU ; station surgeon,
4141. 13e. 4d. ; governor's office, 4871. 10s. ; lieutsnaet.go-
venior's ofik • 1751. ; master attendant's depertmmt, 2031. ;
surer roes depiarommet, 871. 10s ; medical department, 1001 ;
police department, 43111. 161. Sd. ; public buildings and con
tingent charger, 3,6001. ;in all, 9,8271. 10.. That was the
charge last year, and it would be the some next year. Now,
he would ask, what was Lahnan for ? Were the prospects
such as to encourage • hope that:then would be a large trade
at Labuen ? The fact was that this was a most extraordi.
wry asses It was to a piece of asatimentalism that we were
Indebted kr Labiate. An adventurous gentleman sailed in his
peat Is the Easton Archipelago and took a fancy to Ss-
eawak. He got it ceded to him by the Sultan of Borneo,
who was lit•le beam than a pirate, and be became
the Rajah of Savewsk. (" Hoar, hear," and • laugh.) By
dint of puffing—sentimental pufilng—ha wee said to go out
to christianise BOOM at Barewak. He appointed bisaselp
first nand to himself ; but that was sot all. He took the
little island of Lebow, which was 300 miles from Sarawak,
and became appointed governor of Labe'''. As it woe clear.
however, that he could net possibly do both duties, a Hest,-
non•-s overnor was appointed to do his work for him at a
sal .ry of 1,175/. a year, and to govern an island when
there was so population and no trade. (Hear, hear.)
He therefore asked whether government intended to keep
up the establishment at Labuan until it was ascertained
whether thorn was any trade to that little island or not ?
Mr. HAWES said that he was surprised at the statement
of the hon. member for the West Riding, as a memorial had
been promoted from the Chamber of Commerce at Man-
clanger and from Liverpool and Glasgow, urging on govern.
meet the settlement of Lsbuan. It was not from any feel-
ing of sentimentality that government had established the
settlement. Mr. Brooks was a man singularly qualified
from his influence in the island of Borneo to fill the station
to which be had boon appointed. When a distinguished
man was sent to a miserable spot liko that, was be to go
without same corn nation for the labour and doges im-
posed upon him? If a man of ability was appointed, it was
of the utmost importance not to underpay him far the duties
which be discos:gas. It bad been found that when small
alai ice had been given to covernon of colonies, those ado-
rns had bass materially increased by fees and other allow-
ance.. In the cuss of Ceylon, the Dutch governor had
13.0001. a year. As bathe mercantile shipping, Labuan pm-
anted a of refuge. Piracy existed in thaw seas to
a great extent, and if any gentleman looked into the papas
they would ace cases of piracy in which property had teen
sacrificed to a large amount. Papas relating to this settle-
melt bad been laid before the house this year. He did not
thick it right in the hon. member for the West Riding to
say that got, rnment cr. seed patronage for no useful or be-
neficial purpose. He believed that the settlement would be
of the pnutest possible benefit to the mercantile and steam
navy. His hon. fiend had forgetten the report of the China
committee of 1937. There was not use word against Hong-
Kong. It was deemed to be • commercial on•port of great
important", and on the same principle that he defended
Hoeg-Koog he would defend Labuan. The Lohman coal
would be of great nos to the steam navy.
Mr. V. SMITH said that the statement made by the hon.
member for the West Riding was perfectly or rrect—that
this was a specimen of the manner in which colonies were
foundri, wiheut any knowledge of nature expenses. An
.. entertaining book bad born written by Mr. Brooke, which
was i ablisEsd. mid read ba an .;..lea in this ea.,u y, amet
the c .usequencie was, that the Colcnial-office took the oppor-
i tunity of working out the colony of Lotman. He did not
sly that they did it unjustly, because they were premed to
it by a petition ; bat he thought they had a
duty of resistance as well as of compliance to perform, and
he had not hoard of any sufficient advantages possessed by
this Wand of Leman for the establishment of 'colony. The
rieht bon. gentleman had mentioned delicately the supply
of coals. That would come ander di:London in the Misnlla-
IltOtlf Estimates. He should like to know more as to the
supply of ccal, and the use made of the coal by our commer-
cial mains. There was a post master at Labuan at 3001.
4 per encum.
Sir H. VERNEY observed that the objections made
noun Libuan might have been male against the founda-
ti Ai of Singapore, which had produced greater benefit to
the commercial interests of this country than say establish-
ment which had ever been founded.
Mr. HAWES believed it to be a most valuable posesstion.
Frcra the calculations which he had seen, he had
tnoon to believe that the Peninsular and Oriental Mail Com-
pany would obtain coals from one fourth to one half the yet
at whic'a they were now taken. From the same cause the
pubic sconig receive considerable benefit, and he did not
know whether it would not go to compensate the public for
the exposes which had been incurred. He thought he was
right in saying that the redaction of the price of coal would
be wry largo, whenever the coal mines were brought into
operation.
Mr. COBDEN said that the right hon. gentleman had
rated that a memorial had been scat up from the north
of England in favour of occupying this island. He believed
that, as far as regarded several places in the north, the
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men mites lens ; but the gentlemen of the Chambers of
C''Uteterte of Manchester and Glasgow were too much men
of baslueos to send establishments need they ascertained
whether the Wand was of any use. He did not believe
that 10 white people were living on the island.
Sir W. JOLIFFE said that the charges and expenses of
ibis colony appeared to be excessive. Everybody !seemed to
Pftwto two or three offices ; there was a governor and cont.
stabder-in-chief, and he believed the troop consisted of the