The Express.
London, England, 1847-04-21 00:00:00

motion of his honourable friend
bowel to support -- uso
Mee member for Finsbury.The main objections were
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a looked for out of that house, and not in it, anal
b:fad that it would s'be felt by the country that
a,""clot.they were subject to no local prereurt, and only
;meted tor the general benefit of the community, the
ePage th• • of at house shuald have due weight, and that
mete who, no d -übt couscientiously, opposed this measure
;a-ad Tette' b fere they committed themselves to a con-
ow.e p titian, and that reflection would convince them
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Chet the Mums which they had felt were unneomaary, and
that they bed colijitred up phantoms of danger as arising
e latch had no existence but in their own
Gen this scheme.
aeminations. Ile hoped they would see the danger of
eeaireg t hi. scheme
he witnout teaming anoth
noer. He alluded
wit aere e advocates of doing thing, and who
amed paliameitt he abstain nom any interference with edit-
mho would ask them te reflect and ponder on the
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aetatital intortuatiou which had been reterred to in
this debate, sod he would ask them to remember that
wale they were thinking how the people should
• dhaated, thousands were being brought up in
vies and ignorano, and prepar d for the punishinen• which
balloted vice awl igoeraece, who tniirit perhaps be trained
op into useful mem .ers of society. He would ask them to
thane bear d.ngeroue it was that population should increase
with such road stride., with iut any pniviaion being made
to meet it with education. lie would address to them the
words of Robert H .11. (The right hon baronet then road
ea
What from Vint author to the eB'..-ct, that it wag nut
ask that a nation 'Mould he loft to he in the lap of igurrance;
is while the seeds of mutation were so thickly sown, the
s of improvement and gecurity would be the
ideation a tee p ople.") This WY Inge ige that he
thought should now he echoed in that house; sett he te,. card
that mea who wuhod to defeat this measure would think
dtbe , ,sieittty thee incurred in trying to iaduce them
to be spectators of • mend pestilence without an attempt to
Le a,. moral h,alth and vieour into the %Maas of the mm-
.. 4. ( Haar, hear, and cheers )
Mr. HINDLEY, whir era very iinperfectly heard, owing
to the contuam th et prevelled in the house, was understood
may that he thought the nimenters had not taken the
amethet or most prudent course with rig-rd to this
Ile w ul I, however, tsk the house to look at the ge-
ms' efforts of the ereat body of dissenters, and give them
credit for what they hub done to advance education. In
MO &battle hal wen fought on the subject of education,
end ue then Lit seaguine ae to the and
principle being
rigaiaet. lie aid all he could to support and assist it. and
be was at the heed of a board which had raised 120 000/.
for the purp own of ethic aloe. Bat, although there had
ban bright eta elites of voluntary in ta, yet, if he
were abed to give his honest optniem whether
it was suthtient, he shotald say it was not. Allow-
ing that the education of the people was within the
pr.,siact t the government, he must toy that he thought it
Mead be 11U•ede.i. so that it eh iuld not endanger the civil
Lberty of the people He thought that the curb, bit, and
bridloshould II- put upon the government. the gales of
Elem.-hall end Crusby-hall might bluer more bitterly than
oes ogreesile to some, but he thought th at they wafted
son: truths hoe might be useful in that house. The noble
lard said that the church catechism would be used only in
he March sehotes. go t no hem could b.. done. He wee
rim to ask the ethle bird himself whether he believed in
the church catechism; for, supposing he did taut, what was
he doing ? He was. calling on the Rolla to order
that in a gnat number of the schools of the land,
that which he did not be ieve in himself should
be taught to the children in these schools. Could
any one my that that was right? (!fear, hear.) He
lid so ohtec.inn that children who believed in the church
catechism should be erdered to receive instructions in it, but
be strongly objected to the order being extended to diie
'enters. He believed that if they removed the word cate-
chism from the minter', the NI uplee of the diewentera would
be more eaaily satisfied. and no injury would result to the
March essablishol. There were some of the details of the
hill is which he also objected. In the first place, he was
eurprised that echo ,lma.ters were to b- pensioned by the privy
council. He was also of opinion that it was an unneceaaary
' apenre to have an assistant school mash r for every twenty-
five 'Medan,. But his great objection was that the
minutes were canielion-like, ever changing. His wish
wee, that all classes, having one common object
in view, might he able to meet on one common ground, for
the diminetion of that emp.re of ignorance of which the
noble lord spoke. Ile woe convinced the dissenters took
rather an eretreme view of the eubject, and that they would
have more chance of street,.& if they only attempted to get the
minutes yet-sidle I. They might, then, have taken the oppor-
tunity afferded by the Sunda .schools for instructing the
young with greater benefit and better results. He believed
that a question wan raised which might be troublesome, but
he yea sure this amid lead to another which would be more
troublesome. Those who met in Crosby-h dl hit it now
firmly impressed on their minds that the root of all this dis-
turbance was the connexion of church and state. (Hear.)
He wished, hose ever, that church and dissent could join in
the same e-reer 01 usefulness, and forget individual differ-
ences: and for his own part, it would be exceedingly great-
tying to him if he could honestly join on the present occasion
in promoting the spread of education, and in nanowing the
confines of ignorance. I Hear, hear.)
On the motion of Sir W. CLAY, the debate was adjourned
tin 'Thursday.