The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LOR.I/S.—MoNnsT, MAT 15.
The Logo CHANvELLO it took 11;. nest at 5 o'clock.
PAITATP. RUSIN ENS.
SECOND RE A [MSGR.-Magdalin i au.paal Act Amendment;
Oewsetry Market.; Not th of negianil Fre and Lite Amur-owe Cara
parry ; Folkestone Water Works; Leeds liiproviarna ; Pnee's
tent Candle Oarsainif
THIRD READING.:-DoverUBLIC BUsIN binding Pier BM.
P lEwn.
ISECOND READINOw.-Parliament iry Prothedlngs Adjournment;
Assignment of itheleanutical Marten, ; P., w Removal; Bills.
PEf I IiONS.- By the Doke of Ii ELL! NU I. iN, the Earl of EGLIN.
TON, and Lord LYTTELTON, keen varicins ladles of Odd Fellows, fa
favour of the bill tor legalising their socks lea ced YORTAI AN, from
Wells, and the Earl of HAUDINGTOS, from Dunbar, in favour d
the Jewish Climb lair intl.-The Whop of WINCHESTER, from
several places in Surrey and Kent; the Earl of GALLOWAY, from the
preebyuny of Edinburgh, Linlithgow, taranoranr, ands he synod of Lo-
thian and Townlatle. Angelina the Jewish :manta:Atka BID-The Earl
of EGLINTON, from Glasgow, against tar negistration (Scotland)
Bill-The Bishop of NORWICH. IDA p. lino An against the ace of in-
toxicating liquors tho Sabha. h Day.--The Risbop of PETERBO-
ROUGH, fnna Northampton. to the ~me efferaL -The Earl of HAD.
DINGTON, from the farmers of Hartginatonhire, against the game
laws.-Maguin of LANSDOWNE. from ~ place not heard, against the
sale of intusiesting liquors on the IN nal elm from Newry, in
favour of the national system of educaion in Deland.
NEW PEER.
Lord EDDleittlitE took the pinto. and his seat, and sub-
scribed the parliamentary roll. Tne noble beronwas intro-
duced by the Earl of Besaborough and Lord Campbell.
I'OOR REMOVAL BILL.
On the motion of Lord DISNMAN, use Poor Rennval BM
was read a second tine.
Lard PORTMAN said that no doubt the noble and
learned lord who hod just moved the second reading of this
bill, had Cmught that no noble leer intruded to address the
Louse on the subject. Ho hoped in future, however, that
the practice would be adopted of putting the names of those
peers to whom bile were entru'ted on the backs of such
bills, in order that it might lit ascertained wbo had the
charge of them.
PAYMENT OF WAGES IN IRELAND.
The Duke of WELLINGTON moved for
Copies of all correspondence which may have peened between the
Lords Oarnintaioners of her Majesty's Tnasury or the Baud of
Works in Ireland, and naliviounda cos, LW, ur parties gong for
them, in relation to the due expandituth of lire adviser. under the
Land improvement Act (Ireland!, 10 %le., e. 32. and in particular
having reference to the lath section, which provides that all labour
shall be paid in the current coin rf n elm and not otherwise. And
also returns of all advances applied foe aria of all advances made under
the above act, showing the total applied fur. and the hoorah granted in
rrapcen ca tech county In Ireland.
The s)stem of witch he complained was greatly argrarated
by the cuitom of paying wag,. in goods Matted of money.
His grace made some other etnizratiorui which were in-
audible in the gallery.
The Idarquis of LANSDOWNE had no ejection to the

:dares.
Att.r a few words from the Earl of ELLEWBOSOUOI3 and
Earl FlT2wlLxialt, the rattans a ere ordered.
CONVEYANCE OF FOREIGN MAILS.
The Earl of ELLEN BOROUuIt moved
For an account of the total =aunt at all sums expended coder
contract or otberwhie, for the conveyor ee d mails beyond teas (except
between Great Britain and Inland cud the Channel Islands) in the
years 1027, 32, 37, 42, and 47 resprcurily ; similar account of el
soma expended by the East India litioiliany, fur the conveyance
mails between the Umted Kingdom and India, or any 17:14ermediale
station and India, in each of the years 111:5,26, 31, 32, 30, 37, 41, 42,
40, and 47 rearactively.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not object to the
returns, and they were accordingly ordered.
REMOVAL OF ALIE.O3 BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE gave notice that to-
morrow he should move that the house agree to the amend-
ments made by the Common', in this bill.
THE LATE LORD ASHBURTON.
Lord STANLEY, in moving that the name of Lord Re-
desdale be ael.'.ed to the honking raimittee, in consequence
of the vacancy caused by the I alio:tea death of the late
Lord Ashburton, said that, although his noble friend, whose
lose they must all so deeply deplete, had arrived at an ad-
vanced age, their lordships most have observed how
unclouded his intellect was, and how valuable the informa-
tion and experience which he brought to bear on the
important matter which formed 'Le subject of the delibera-
tions of the committee in question, and which had occupied his
anxious attention within the lut lerulight. Although not
an eminent debater, their lordships knew the value of his
opinion, and appreciated it more than if he had been gifted
with the greater eloquence ; and !..ey must all be sensible
of the loss which the country had sustained by the decease
of the noble lord, whose judgment aid practical knowledge
on all commercial subjects was of the highest weight
and value. (Hear, hear.) He was Fare that he might also
a‘d that the general amiability and kindness, not only of
manner but of heart, of his nt.ble and lamented friend, must
have rendered it impossible that be could have left behind
him a single enemy either political or personal. (Hear.
hear.) His loss would long be felt by all who knew how to
value so eminent and useful a pudic character. (Hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had no objection to the
name of Lord Redesdale being added to the committee,
whilst he deplored the occasion id it. He had had the hap-
piness of the acquaintance and friendship of the lamented
nobleman undisturbed by any political differenee for a period
of forty years, and a into more distinguished by frankness of
character, amiability of dkpotrition, and eminent talent had
never adorned that or the other house of parliament.
(Hear, hear-)
Lord BROUGHAM also passe,i a high enlogium on the
deceased nobleman, and added, that he saw him on the day
on which his last brother died, when he observed what a
melancholy thing it was that his two brothers &mild have
died within ten days of each other ; not more than a month
however, elapsed, before the grave had also closed upon
himself.

-or.NTARY PROCEEDINGS ADJOURN-
MENT BILL.
Lord STANLEY having moved the second reading of
this bill,
Lord CAMPBELL said he did not oppose the second
reading of the bill; but the question was, whether it was the
proper remedy for the evils complained of; and very great
difficulties presented themselves lo los mind on this subject.
The bill introduced an important change in the working of
our constitution, and they must take care that it did not
cause greater inconveniences than those which it *ought to
remove. The noble and learned Lord pointed out some of
the evils which he thought would result Irons the bill. He
admitted, however., that great time was lost in the House of
Commons by the long speeches which were made, and
the system of putting questions to ministers, as if it
were a club. It was also lamentable to and the
afficully of originating bills in their lordships' house,
in consequence of the jealousy of the Commons as to money
bills, was so great as most injuriously to delay the progress of
legislation. He considered it would be desirable to remedy
these and similar evils ; but he saw so many objections to the
bill before their lordships, that he almost thought it would
be better to introduce an entirely new measure with a view
to effect the desirable objects which it embraced.
Lord REDESDALE opposed the Mil, and declared that
he believed it would sow the seeds of difference between
the two houses which would tenet to lamentable conse-
quences. The noble lord went into details to prove that
the bill would be impracticable in its working, and declared
that he did not see the evil of bills coming late in the ses-
sion into their lordships' house to be so great as was ima-
gined. It was better that they should do so than that im-
portant measures should be taken up from the fag.end of
the previous session, and discussed when so few
of their lordships would be present. The remedy
rested not in that house but in the other. The
evil rested with the other house and not with their lord-
ships, and he hoped means would be adopted to remedy the
faults that had been discovered in the practice of the legis-
lature.
Earl GREY said, that if the present practice of parlia-
ment with respect to the class of hills affected by the mea-
sure of the noble lord was faulty, it was their lordships' duty
to take effectual steps for altering the practice of the legisla-
ture. There certainly did appear to have been want et order,
and, indeed, of equity, in regard to recent legislation on bills
brought into parliament ; but that did not, in his opinion,
arise from any undue exercise of their legislative wen on
the part of the members of the other house. Frequently
measures were retarded in such a manner as utterly to pre-
vent them from lx log brought into their lordships' house in
time to give them due consideration ; and the same remark
was applicable to bills sent down by their lordships' house to
the lower house of parliament. In many cave it was
highly advantageous that delays in passing public
measures happened, as due consideration was thereby
secured to such 11201151lita. With respect to the mea-
sure before the house. it was not intended to apply indif-
ferently to all bills. The &dimity was in selecting the class
of bills to which it was to be applied. What he would sug-
gest was, that before the powers id the bill were brought in-
to action in respect to a measure introduced into either
hones and not completed, there should be a distinct opinion
obtained in the place where it originated that such measure
ought to be so brought within the operation of the hill.
With these re/serrations he was of opinion that the bill of the
noble lord was a good one.
Lord BROUGHAM doubted much whether the reasons
were not stronger against the hill than fur it. He was of
opinion, with Sir Samuel Itomilly, that the legislature ought
with great hesitation te enter upon any new course of pro-
ceeding in regard to its forms. This was the first time that
any attempt had been made by statute law to regulate the
standing orders of parliament. The noble earl had stated
that the standing orders, thought of statute law, were com-
mon law. That wasnew te him. He must see the hill pro-
posed by the noble lord before he could offer any opinion or
express anv intention with respect to it.
Lord BEAUMONT thought that if the bill passed into a
law it would for ever prevent that houos from originating any
legislatorial measure. There were some subjects which it was
peculiarly the provii ce of that house to originate and to le-
gislate upon : for L....ance, sanitary bills, and those for re.
enlisting metropolitan buildings. He wound not, bon oar,
divide the louse on the second reading, but would wait and
see it it could be rendered in any way assail ; foiling in
which, he reserved his right to oppose it.
The Earl of DEVON was of opinion that if it should
hereafter be deairable for their lordships to require mere
time for considering a bill than the period of the minion
permitted, such a course would be best effected by enabling
the House of Commons to send up a bill with *claw
appended to it whereby power was given to their lordships
to pass that bill during the then present or the next ensuing
session of parliament. Such a swum would entirely obviate
the necessity for such a measure as the present.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made some obeervations
which were inaudible in the gallery. His lordship wee an-
dentood to say that the bill was unobjectionable, gave in so
far as the prerogative of the crown would be effected by is.
Lord STANLEY would receive thankfully any iuggestion
for promoting the object he had in view—namely, that of Im-
proving the practice of the legislature. He had already
foreseen and acknowledged that the bill would in some alp
gree interfere with the prerogative ; but that objection would ,
be at MOO removed by giving the minister for the tide, •
being the power of putting a veto upon the exercise of the '
provisions of the bill in respect to any measure that it might,
be attempted to resuscitate. He denied that there was
organic change whatever involved in the measure e7'