The Express.
London, England, 1851-03-28 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, MARCH 28, 1851.

which such committee was sprinted to be chosen. In this The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
teleirdatriyVCll co the Ilth inst./ and Tuesday, the Oust, considering they were all agreed, the; lied occupied
on which the committee fur the ht. Aimee time Alton waeehecoseary in diseussiag the shatter.
I,tticae . . ,
e"caith
Albn. election was to be appellate dby the goinmattet of Re beg oleo suggest that the motion Mend as follows:
"That ebinesittee be apteinted t' nquire into the vita-
wleceMn ; and the question for the deasion a the scone
was, whether this involved fourteen clear days' soda. 'blishmen oral 'steam communication between Luella and
The prayer of the petition era% that the sitting member be China, and antiOtellabilies of any improrement therein ;
declared duly elected without flee proceedMics•
and into thailkast of mifiablishiwg a steam communica-
Atter a short discussion, the Wien was ordered to be tion with 002 Australian cohialeJ (Checn.)
printed, and it was understood t t the matter was to be ref[ r a few words from Mr. CARDWELL.
talon into consideration to-moerow. J. D. ACLAND suggested that Plymouth would be a
MINISTERS' MONEY (IRELAND). more convenient point of departure fur the Oriental mails,
Mr. REYNOLDS gave notice that to-morrow he would however despatched.
sole the First Lord of the Treasury whether it was the in- Sir F. T. HARING hopedllic house would not threw on
tention of government to introduce a bill this erosion for the ennmittee too extensive innuiries. Alreaoly a commis-
the abolition of ministers' money in Ireland. sion had been appointed by the Admiraltv, who had the
tiI'IRIT DUI ES. subject of communication with America before them, and
Lord NAAS gave notice that as soon aa possible after they did not find the task a very easy one.
Easter he would renew his motion of last year with regard Mr. ADDEIILEY objected to any inquiry respecting
to the spirit duties. Australia, which was unnoweinary, uncalled for, and heel
LANGUAGE OF ACTS OF PARLIAMENT. been tacked to the fag end of the motion DE nu object, the
Mr. J. STUAItT gave notice of his intention to intro- Chancellor of the Exchequer having already nude up his
lure a bill for the purpose of shortening the language of mind upon then übject.
acts of parliament. After a eion of some length, the motion, as
TRINITY HOUSE (HULL). framed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with the addi-
Mr. HC ME gave notice that to-morrow he would move tiou at the end of the words "and New Zealand,- proposed
for a returnuf the revenue and expenditure of Triaigelowee, by Mr. Aftlionbv, was agreed to.
at Hull. SPANI-Sll DIFFERENTIAL DUTIES.
ECCLESIASTICAL TITLES ASSUMPTION BILL. Mr. ANDEILSON rose to call the attention of the house
Mr. STANFORD gave notice that to-morrow he would to the differential duties levied on British ships in the ports
ask the noble lord at the head of the government whether, of Spain; and to move," That, with a view to the just
in committee ou the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill, protection of British navigation and commerce, it is es-
the goverument were determined to confine the bill to the client that under the provisions of the act 12 and 13
first clause, or if they would agree to render the pre- Vie., c. 29, such additional duties ehould be levied in the
visions of the measure more stringent by enlarging the ports of the British empire upon goods imported or es-
penalties, Se ported in Spanish ships, and on the tonnage of such ship.,
SUGAR DUTIES. as may serve to countervail the differential duties on goods
Mr. GEANTLEY BERKELEY gave notice that on as and tonnage levied iu the ports of Spain and her &peados-
early a day as possible alter Easter he would move that the cies on British alio." The subject was one of emesider-
present differential duty on foreign sugar, cleared for helm able national importance. Differential duties were apt
consumption, should be continued for five years from the duties imposed for the purposes of revenue, hut for the sake
let of July, IMI. of giving a monopoly or an advantage to the shipping or
DISTURBANCES IN COUNTY DOWN. products of one country over another. Spain had carried
I i answer toe question from Mr. Room, adverting to this system to an extreme, far beyond any other country; I
the circumstance, reported in the lf-rptvri of Tuesday, con- and its operation hail heroine extremely injurious, so as to
meted with an outbreek near Banbridge, county Down, obstruct the general commercial intercourse with that
' Sir W. SOMERVILLE sail he had received some papers country. Its effect was well described in a petition he
in ref fence to this unfortunate outbreak of the people at had presented, which was signed by many of the most
Banbridge, but as he had not yet hod sufficient time vs eminent firms in London, bye number of shipowners, and
look them liter he could not say whether there were any of by &considerable numberanative Spanishmerthants resident
them which he could lay en the table. The report he dud in London. The petitioners watedtioat front le2i to the end of
rec iveol was from the constabulary, aaol these reports were 11119 the ships of Spain haul been admitted into our ports
generally of a confidential nature. If, however, he re. on the same terms as British ships. From the commence-
rived any report which was not of a emitaliontial character, meut of loce.) the
buryingcarrn trade of this country from all
freak the government in Ireland on tins subject, he would parts of the world u open to Spanish ships on the
have great pleasure in laying it on the table. Mite terms as British ship. • but, so far from this liberal
AMERICAN TARIFF. policy losing reeponded to lr'y Spain, she had levied addi•
Mr. BOOKER begs(' d to ask the President of the timed duties on all good, imported under the British flag,
Board of Trade, if the government had received any infer• the object being to exclude the ships of other countries from
matins, end it they would lay it before the houw, of the any parteepatiou in the carrying tattle to or from her own
nature and extent of the increase in the protective duties ports, and thus scare a monopoly for her own chips.
.In
I propowel to he levied on the import into the United States proportion as the British legislature had relaxed its policy
of all kinds of iron, and on varwus other articles of British favour of renege
Kappshiing at
had
incremetl lier
produce and manufacture now exempt from duty ? restrictions ; and this driven a large amount of British
Mr. LABOUC ti Elie" had inquired at the proper quer- tonnage out of the Spauith earning trade in which it hail
ter we to whether any re port had been received from Sir IL been formerly employed. TM; net for the repeal of the
Itulwer on the subj.-et to which the lion. gentleman (Mr. navigation laws supplied a remedy fur such a suite of '
Booker) referred, and he had found that no sitepatch load things; but, though nearly lo months had elapsed I
been rm. ived from him (Sir 11. liulwir) land after thew since that act came into force, the provision had '
transactions were steted to hove taken plain. Ile (Mr. not been enforced, and the petitioners cuutinued '
Lebow-here) had observed from the American newspaper. subject to a grievance which ought long since to have been,
that ouch alterations in the American tariff had passed the done away. Comparing the duties lent don Spanish ships
Howse of Assembly, but they had nut passed the senate. herr with those imposed on British ships in the ports of
RAJ .1.11 BROOK E. Spain, he found that the latter paid about one-third more.
In reply to queries from Mr. liaise, Lord PALMER- In the Spanish possession abroad the same system existed
Sit Of stated that Sir James Crooke still heel the offices of in full force. At Cuba, the duty. on goals in British ships
Governor of leolouan and Consul-General to the sultan and was 21 to 30 per cent.; in Spanish ships, 7 to 21 per cent. I
initepondent chit le of Borneo. With respect to the district Goods exported in British ships paid 6', per cent.; those in
of Sarawak any authority exercised therein by Sir Jetties Spanish chips, for foreign ports, .11 per cont.—for Spanish
wash derived front eome private arrengement with the sultan, ports, 21 per coot. At present th'ere were loadi
of whng in tich
he
a., the British cantonment claimed no joirasliction in a ter- port of London 23 schoolsels fur
Spanish porn, 19
ritury which slid not le long to the British crown. were Spanish vessels. It was well known that her system
LAND THROWN OUT OF CULTIVATION IN of differentialduties operated most iujariously on connuerce,
I ILE L.Cii D. without at all improving her own navigation. An instance
Sir 11. W. BARRON begged to ask the Secretary for came under his own knowledge of a British vessel and a
Delano' whether the govennuent could Rive tiny return of Spanish vessel leaving the port of London, the former in
the land thrown out of cultivation in Ireland since the year ballast, the latter with a freight, both being bound for the ,
1816, or any titer period ? elate port, llilboa, in Spain. The weather having come ten 1
Sir W. SOMERVILLE answered in the negative. threatening, the Spanish vessel put into Ramsgate, whilst ' ,
TILE CENSUS. the British vessel continued her voyage, reached Bilboa,
Mr. GOULBUIiN said the right hon. baronet (Sir G. watery she took in a cargo of wool, :/1111 absolutely reached
Grey) had stated the other day that it a a., not binding on the London Dock before the Spanish vessel cleared hams-'
clergymen to fill up the schedules sent them connected with gate. (licar, hear.) It did nut unfrequently occur
the census and requiring particulars as to income, &c. Ile that Spanish vessels occupied three months in going from
anolerstood that in c lees where the required iisforisiatiou the Shetlaed. to Billsou, as long a period as from here to'.
hail been refined by the ministers, the enumerator heel put Calcutta. (Deer.) Now, in moving that this remedy be
the schedule into the hand, of other parties. This lee con- adopted, he begged to be uuderetood WI not pros
entered was not right. posing anything which could be considered as a wino
Sir G. GREY said he had certainly stated that ministers greesino policyme. the manure wee merely defensive.
of religion were not bound to answer the queetioons regard- Ile betteed too , beco
move the resolution which he had already
hie income our those with reference to education, but if read to the house.
clergynu u mimed to give information on these subject, it The SPEAK' ER. was understood to intimate that the inn-
was the duty of government to apply to parties who had lion as it stood was irregular, and the only way in which it
information quite as correct as the clergymen could supply, could be made regular, won, by moving that the house
111 oeder that the public should derive the greatest possible should, on a future• day, consider the resolution.
amount of infermation. The 110 N. GENTLEMAN having it. shaped hi: resolution, I
' Mr. tiOULIWItN thought that if the elergeman declined in compliance with the euggeetion of the Speaker,
110 supply the information, it was nut right that other par- Mr. toi,'EAT secontlea the revolution, and in doing so
ties Aimed furnish it. said he could confirm all that had been maid by the
INCOMES OF AIteIIBISHOPS and IsisltOrs. honourable gentlemen who 'omelette' him. Spain had
Sir B. HALL gave notice that he would, to-morrow, ask shown a most arrogant disregard to everything,
the noble noble et the head of the government when he and seemed resolved not to conic to a fair under-
rate end that the retunos mould be ready regarding the in- standing unless toned into one ; and he therefore
comes of arehhiehoope and loishope thought it became a question with her Majesty's govern-
leF:SlGNS ACT EXTENSION BILL. mint if they should not try a coercive policy. By refusing
Mr. ItICAILDO inquired what number of individuals to admit Spanish sugars from the Havanna and Spanish
wino likely to avail theumelvm of the Designs Act Emma fruits and wine, from Malaga into English poets, unless on
slum 11111 ? the same COUditiolls that English loottoeus entered Spooned'
Hr. LA BOUCHERE said lie believed, from the infer- ports, Spain would SOOll become more clamorous for justice
matinee which had reached him. that a gnat many pianos, than English traders were at the present moment. (Hear.)
Moth in this und in other countries, were looking fireweed The question being put,
to the posing oof this Immure to protect inecutiuus which Mr. LABOUCHERE said it was undoubtedly true that,
they intended t. exhibit. He was not, however, able to in the first place, Spain did levy diecrimineting du-
state the number. Liss in her ports, upon goods exported and imported
RAVINGS BANKS. in British ansi other foreign vessels, as compared with
In reply to Mr. 11. newsreel*. Spanish vessel, of a very onerous description; and,
The C 1 ANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER. maid that a so coolly, that she, in certain easels, traded our
bill fior the regulation of saviors banks was in readiness, tracks ilifferently, not only from that of her own
and would he inneiaht forwent if the public business 'Mudd subjects, but from the trade of other foreign nations.
begin to move more rapidly, so as to afford a fair chance of Under the second head of complaint the must important
gutting it pease item was the harbour dues charged in Spain, and exacted
RULES OF THE 1101.75 E. from British vessels, Which was not the case we regarded
Mr GRANT LEY BERKELEY, briefly referring to French vessel,. Sonic time since the Spanish government,
' some resent weiti s, inquired of OW chair whether it was on complaint being made to them, undertook to set that '
pseible so to extend the rules under which &hetes, were right I but in point of fact every gentleman would recollect'
monotones' as to prohibit the intneloction of matters col- that the cooly way in which that Condit be done was by Spain
I hetively insulting to any body oe member, in the house. entering into a convention with England, on winch, on an
The SPEAK Elt stated that the regulations now iu force order issuing, the treasury uvula be empowered to pay on
in that house consisted of unwritten hews, deriving their foreign goods entering our harbours. (Hear, hear.) Bat
authenticity from ancient observance. Around this code, Spain said she would nut enter into any such convention.
however, there was a %monetary eerie., of rules, based upon She claimed free action; and said " let you do it yourselyee,
courtesy and good feeliier, which he trusted would be suffi- and we will rollers your example." Now, he (Mr. labou-
r chew to preserve the personal mid religious sensibilities of there) thought that a moet unfriendly act un the part of
I bon. members from inoolt. Spain. His noble friend (Lori Palmerston) had renewed his
P I.: SEY ISM. complaint% on that point, and lie doubted not Spain would
Mr. B. OSBORNE now to say, that in addressing the comply finally. But if she should not, then he thought it
Melee lately, he hail been uss i ttt entionalle led into error would be time enough to come before that house, and seek
*toile quoting on the authority or the 13nily Noes state- for powers to compel her to enter into such convention
rnente in reeerenee to the Malmo of Oxford. lie (Mr. (tlear, hear.) Now, with respect to the manner in which
Oeleorne) hail mid that, in answer to an address from ('hip !vain treated British vessel', with respect to navigation mod
ponhain, the bishop denied there was any tractarieniem doubtless to protect her own shipping, no one could more
amongst the decry of his diocese' Ile (Mr. Osborne) had deeply feel the great injury that was in corsequence
in-
alesetatoel, on the authority of the Daily Se les, that the Watoll on navigation than himself. But he could nut help
' I
loiehop had appointed Dr. Piney preacher to the university thinking that the chief injury of that prescriptive policy
church at Oxford. The right rev. prelate had sant him a weeded on Spain herself. (hear, bear.) It was a fact
communication stetting that he (the bishop) had not denied notoriou+ that on the least expectation of bad weather they
' there were any tneetarians in his. diocese, but had stated put into Itanneate and ether pone for three or four days,
that only in one part of his diocese—the areholeaconry of and then took three or four days more to deliberate before
Buckingham —were there anyclergymen of allomenising ten- again putting to ma. (blear, hear.) Such a course as that
dioney. 'Ehoo bishop further staid that Dr. l'u-ey had never was no strung encouragemmt to the legislature of this
lean appointed preacher by any one to the university coming reot urging to a restrictive policy in mentor...4.f nevi-
. hurch of Oxford, nor had he (Dr. fusty) been appointed ;ration. (Hear, hear.) It was true that, by the repeal of
by the Bishep of Oxfonl to preach anywhere. the navigation laws, they had thrown open the carrying
AFFAIRS ON TIIE .te'IIICAN FRONTIER. trade of the world to Spain as well as to all other nations;
Mr. ADDEBLEY pee notice that in going into corn- therefore Spain, in particular, could not be regarded as a
mitten of supply to-morrow, he would move that the ques- competitor. No nation that had an obstructive system was
tins of a definitive mottle ment of our policy on the South to be feared by England in the carrying trade of the world;
.tfric.ut frontier be immediately referred to a select corn- and whilst corupeting with America and the Baltic, England
mince. • had shown lees olispoition to fear than any foreign nation.
ItEGIS'IRATIONe OF 111111113. &e., IN IRELAND. (Hear, hear.) It would be a great object col:duly' to get
Mr. SCI'LLY tweeted to ask whether it was the inteu- the question of differentiel duties repeal.' or settled alto-
lion of government to introduce a bill this session fur the gather. He knew it was a matter which inflicted injury on
nerietration of births. death., and marriages ? the trade of the hon. member for Orkney and Shethoud in I
Sir W. SOMERVILLE answered in the negative. crippling his trade and narrowing his market. Ile was also
IMPROVEMENT OF TOWNS (IRELAND) BILL aware how it effected the Newfoundland trade; and all he
Mr. REYNOLDS inquired whether it were the intro- would then say was thatahe question had not been lost
tion of government to add any names to the committee on sight of by her Majesty's government. (Hear, hear.) They
thin bill ? were at that moment in correspondence with the Spanish
Sir AV. SOMERVILLE replied in the affirmative. government on the subject ; but as yet the uegotiostion* had
STEAM COMMUNICATION WITH INDIA, not been brought to a conclueion. Ile trusted, however.
Allf It AI.IA, Ace. that the house would not now interfere, by coining to a
Lord JOCELYN moved for a committee to inquire into vote, with a subject which was notch better iu the 'muds of
the existing ennui comenuniattium between England and the government. (Hear, hear.)
India, and to modeler the subject of steam communication 'Mr. Alderman f lIOMPS'ON thought this was a case
having fur its object a line or limo connecting England, provided for by the late set. Spain Kea had the benefit of
!notes. and Australia. Among other reasons for this motion, the repeal of our navigation laws, and if we took no men-
the main ground. he maid, wee the discussion which teok suns agaitist a nation which refused to reciprocate, the
place het wesion between the Chancellor of the Exchequer Dutch might follow the temple of Spain.
Anil Sir James Hogg relative to the existing contract with Mr. HUME would like to see the correspondence referred
the Peninsula and Oriental Company. Ile thought it was of ~ to by Mr. Labouehere. While he regretted that other
importance that inquiry Arnold precede any further arrange- I nations, even enlightened ones, had net reciprocated with
meats. Lord Jocelyn adverted to the state of the existing us. he would rather put up with this evil than violate a
arrangement., and to the allegations of Sir C. Wieel principle.
lest tear a. to the objection. offered on the part or Mr. 'MILNER GIBSON said he hoped his hon. friend,
the least India Coompauy. toweled chiefly upon the after hiving heard the speech of the right hon. gentleman
prejudice which the arrangements proposed by the (Mr. Lalsouilere) would not press his motion to a die i.e.'s.
government would occesien to the Indian navy. He indi- (Hear. hear.) lie would consider it a most precipis
se did the venom points to which Ise thought the inquiries tate and improper proceeding if the government of Ode
of the committee might be directed, one of the most im- count'? were lo adopt a policy of retaliation against Spain
extant being to determine the best mode in which a eon- under the existing relations between the two countries.
neet,,e se,. communication might be affected between (Hear, bear. The right hon. gentleman informed them
Engine'. India, end Australia. : that Speiu had made many reductions in her tariff to the
Lord N AAS moved an amendment, which proposed tore• extent of 33 per cent. (No. no.)
verse the order of subjects of the committee's inquiries; Mr. LABOUCHERE said that what he had stated was
they should begin. be thoucht, with steam communication that the diecriminating duties on goods brought iutu Spain
between India. England. and Australia, which should he in fun ern navels, which were as he understood 33 ver
,se port, dupou in the tint instance. Ile enumerated the in- cent., had been reduced to 20 per cent. when the Lora
ST. .ALBANS ELECTION ronse•.r• or, • arising from a want of such communication. was altered in IstS.
Mr. M. G IlleON said it would, in hpinsvoikpi::.onw,,h%l7,:iinthmsety
Mr. AGLIONBY prevented • petition, which he said and the eircumstanee, which had hitherto defeated it.
wee important, as affecting the peoreedings of the house. Mr. GLADSTONE oinegelotood that it would be inex- unfortunate if after having abolished the nevi t' I
It anus out of the electiou at St. Alban.. soil proceeded p client to tie up the hands of the committee as to the order they wen to withhold from Spain those
i gpia..n..-,touanldl,orth theer nations.ol g I n aWi,
elnavilgtitiowntadw t:' twohiimiclita:corwmehLetrtas::iiked boo Mr. Coppeek, the agent for the sitting member. It el their proceeding.
ng
stated all the CADVMAGUSASI. and the pi:thin...or :eked that . After a few words from Mr. F. Sean,
...owlet be read by the clerk at the table. It was, how- Mr. OLeCOREGOIt expressed • fear that if the amend- advantages to all other countries by all
and perhaps the object would be answered meat were carried the subject would be entombed in this g eels iu their own ships to the Britieh°e:lt.ofiseitine2s..
years, fur
' that it be printed with the Totes, to be committee to the end of the session. He believed that withheld these advantage!. from Spain (oars
anew. o the yr.,1„....! fir the Americans to supply n steam common iii April, 1828, on order in coUneil was
was, however, read by the clerk., and the DR' lA,O with the Australian E',loTheS was perfectly pear- " tll.ot vessels loloneilag to Spain wore ant to he'..,lleLlrioantgo
'curd on any direst trade been e Spain
. far as we could isthyr, appeared to be that , notable ; and he was, therefore, exceedingly jealous of delay.c
llf Vie, est. 911, ass it wan provided that Mr. HUME recommended Lord Naas to withdraw bio sesseuns abroad." What might be expected, as the effect u
their withholding from Spam in particular for twenty years,
dew amil poem se idea a etemittee should amendment
ly way simile polities &odd be published Po. ANDERSON defended the Peninsular and Oriental privileges which they gave to the ►rest of the world ? Why,
1
, amiss dm Massa days beton the day on . Company from certain rcinariu of Lord Jocelyn. this, at least—that .it was no reason to make Spain lees

restriMive or more liberal towards this country—(scar,
hear)—and it was only by adoeting and carrying out a li-
beretpailev that Spain could be expected to move in dui
`direction of free trade. (Hear, hear.) Having been in the
Shetland Isles last autumn, he received certain information
there which made him doubt whether the constituency of
his hon. friend approved of the proposition made by
hint un the present occasion. (Hear, hear.) Ho
hoped his hon. friend was not in earnest in bringing
forward this proposition, and that be did so rather with a
view to get the Spanish differential duty removed, than
with a view of inducing the government to reverse their po-
licy. the noble lord (Palmerston) would date
what had l
eaen done by the government of this country. aad
that ho would assure them that in all his communications
to foreign governments, he declared that England would
always regulate her policy in reference to the people of this
country, and would not make her commercial policy con-
tingent on the views of foreign countries. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON agreed with his hon. friend who
introduced this motion, that it was ouc of considerable
importance to a large portion of the community. He
also agreed with him that they hail good cause of com-
plaint against the Spanish government, for the course
they had pursued—a complaint, however, which applied
more to a long comae of prejudice, in reference to commer-
cial matters, than to any recent disposition to follow iv
wrong and unjust policy. (Rear, hear.) In fact, as
stated by his right hon. friend, the Spanish govern-
ment relaxed rather than increased the tariff of late.
But both Spain and Portugal were behind most other
nations in regard to the principles which should regulate
their commercial policy. (Hear, hear.) Spain, however,
was beginning to move—(hear, hear)—and he hoped she I
would not follow the example of the Span:ah captain
alluded to by his hou. friend. Though she did not move
on the first change of wind, and though she was not ready
to follow the example of this country, he trusted that she
would not wait like the Spanish captain, who waited Jok-
ing at the weather-cock in ltamsgate harbour whilst the
British sailor made his voyage to ltilboa and back. (Hear
and a laugh.) Spain had 20,000 of the most active and
useful of her population employed in the custom', and she
had an equal number of smugglers, so that there were
PAO persons employed in preventing any revenue in
mining into the treasury. (liver, hear.) He hoped the
Spanish government were beginning to pursue u coarse
that would be more advantageoua to Spain, and increase
the commerce between the two countries. lie could aasure
the house that her Majesty's government had been en-
gaged, and were engaged, in urging on the Spanish go- I
s‘ ailment those points to which his hon. friend referred.'
(Ilear, hear.) The house would nit expect him to enter
Otte all the arguments which had been used on oue side
and one the other; but he would say that the government
of this country urged their orpiment's in the way that they
thought would be most likely to aeonuplish the object in
view. (Ilear, hear.) He hoped his lion. friend would
not press his motion to a division, as he thought that
any appearance of division in the House of Commune
would he prejudicial to the object which his hon. friend
had in view. (Hear.) There were two distinct questions
between them and Spain. The first was the question of
the Niue cent differential duty, leak d upon them in common
with all other nations. lm that respect they stood, there-
fore, on the footing of the most favoured nations, as it is I
Called; hut in the present instance it might well be called
of the most unfavourest nations. (Hear and laughter.) I
With regard to that point, they dealt with Spain on general
principles. In the other case the grievance they had to
complain of was greater; fur French vessels were allowed
au advantage over British vessels in Spanish ports. They
had come to a conclusion in reference to this matter, anal
the only difference was as to the method of giving elfiet to it.
But where both governments were agreed on the common
object they could not long disagree as to the particular
mode of carrying it into execution. (Hear, hear.) Ile
bagged his hon. friend to be contented with the effeet which
this discussion would have on the Spanish government,
which would convince them, on the one hand, that the
British parliament felt the grievance, and that, on theother,
they desired to trade with Spain on largo and liberal prin-
ciples of commercial relations. (('heers.)
Mr. BAN KES did not think the explanation of the noble
lord to be satisfactory, and he would oppose the with-
drawal of the motion.
Mr. CARDWELL was glad that the motion had been
brought forward, for it would show Spain that this country
was not asleep in rase she was not met in a Lir spirit of
reciprocity. (Hear, hear.) He hoped that the House of
Commons would not take this matter out of the hands of
the government, and take the decision of it into their
own, which would be the effect if this motion was ISUCCelial•
fut. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. WAWN supported the motion. Ho thought they
should either repeal the clause in the navigation act, or
enforce it when they ought to do so. (Bear, bear.)
Mr. RICARDO did net think that they wool.' mend
matters by retaliating on Spain. (Ileta, hear.) If
they were to adopt a policy of retaliation, *Spain
would retort upon them, and so retaliation would go un till
the 700,04.10/. exporta which they now sent to Spain
would he reduced to nothing. lee did not think the
lionnurable gentleman took a wise course fin. his
conditaenta in pressing this motion Ida did not
see how it could possibly benellt them to levy a tax on their
own commodities, in order to increase the sale of them,
fiir that was what the proposition amounted to. (Hear,
hear.) He believed the effect of the propuaitnin would
lie very diferent from what the hon. gentkinan who
moved it thoualit it would be. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. AHD said the bill repealing the navigation
laws was visaed un the understandiug that if foreign na-
tion, did not reciprocate the government would give teect to
this elanst, and in a letter which he received from bi.. con-
stituents at Whitehav, n three or four days ago, which was
accompanied by a petition in favour of the motion, anen-
t' was drawn to the feet that the petition was sign' dby
several shipowners of that port who supported the policy
if the government. The noble lord (Lord Palmerston) had
observed that Spain was beginning to move. She was be-
ginning to move, and he would show in what direetent.
In the year coiling January 5, 1810, the last year of the
operation of the navigation laws, there entered inwards
from spain 117 vessels, with an aggregate tonnage of 17,n2
tons. In the succeeding year the number of ships in-
creased to 150, and the tannage to 23,712. (flyer.) If the
clause were introduced in wail faith, why was it not car-
ried into effect ? 'they should no longer trust to trifling
negistiations un the subject.
Mr. mautiELL said his constituents were deeply in-
terested in this question. They had a large trade with
Newfoundland, and they felt it was much injured he these
differentia! duties. Ile thought, however, that the the pre-
sent the aanttcr should be left in the hinds of the nuble
lord at the bead of the Foreign-office. (Ilear.)
Mr. NEWItEGATE said the evil complained of sprang
from the fallacious notion that one country could dictate
the commercial policy of the world.
Cord J. RUSSELL said he would not then enter into the
general question of the policy of the navigation lowa,
though whenever the hon. gentleman (Mr. Newdegate)
chose to introduce that question the result would, he
thought, be found more favourable than he appear d to
imagine, and it would be beta that the nations of the world
had been led to adopt a more liberal policy. There were
exceptions, but they were few in number, and the cases
were not those of nations of great maritime power.
Mr ANDERSON, in reply, said he thought the object
would be best promoted by leaving the matter in the hands
of the noble lord (Lord Palmerston), and intimated (or was
understood) thud he had no wish to divide. As, however,
there were loud culla for a division,
The house divided, when there appeared I
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Lord J. IttSSELL—I rise for the purpose of bringing
before the house a most important subject. If the proposal
I have to make solely concerned the administration of jus-
tice, I certainly should have been disposed to ask those
who are more familiar with the proceedings ic courts of
justice to ands rtake the task which I now propose to per-
form. But feeling that the Aire of Lord Chancellor, and
all that is connected a ith his high functions, deeply atrial
the whole of the government and legislation of this
country, I have undertaken this ta.k, thinking it
better that the whole views of the government should be
stated, than merely those view.: width consented the present
distribution of otfiee as connected with the functions of the
Court of Chancery. In bringing the question before the
house, I shall first state the changes that have been made
since 1512, when the hill appointing vice-chancellors was
passed through parliament. In 1511-12, it was found that
the dohs, which were performed by Lord Eldon
were of so laborious a nature, as that notwithstand-
ing the known industry, ability, and learning of that
eminent judge, it was con,iderial =possible that he should
Is able to perform all his duty in court together with his
duty .as supreme judge in the 111)113.e of Lords us a court of
appeal. Lrd Itedeolale snored for the appointment of a
committee in the House of Lords, and soubsequs ntly a bill
was brought in appointing a she chancellor. I find it stated
in the life of Lord Eldon that Lord Reolesdale said the
arrears of appeals and writs of error then amounted to 274
CAW., which, according to the (then) present rate of
deepatch would require 12 or 13 years for their disposal, to
say nothing of the new arrears which would accumulate
iu the interval. It was therefore decided by the House of
Lords that a new judge should be appointed under the
title of Viee-Chancellor to perform part of the duties of the
Lord Chancellor. It was said at the time, and by no less a
person than Sir Samuel Remaly, that the appointment was
, not necessary, and that the business then before the Court
k of Chancery was, iu fact, not much greater in amount than
. it Lad been in the time of Lord Hardwieke. Lord Cotten-
• , ham in 1S:10, in making statement, in support of the bill
then introduced. slid that Sir Samuel !tamale was miss :
taken iu that respect, and showed by returns how much
greater was the amount of business in Lord Eldon's than I
in Lord Hardwicke's time. Yet I rather think there
woo very great foundation for the statement made by Sir
Samuel Hominy, for I find in the report of what was stated
heLord Cottennaw, and front the return, which
had obtained, that while he stated that from
1781 to 1764 the cases were 411, and that they
had increased in 18:31-183.1, taking the average of
years, to 1,283, being more than three times as many,
vet that he stated at the same time that the CHAP. from
1810 to 1512, on an average, were no more than 540. It
would appear, therefore, that there had been an enormous in-
crease of lousMess,consequent ou the appointment Ofthe vice-
chancellor, and that there was nut at the time of the appoint-
ment a very great numberof eaa a then waiting to be heard. 1
I3ut I Imagine the fact to have been that the delay which s'
prevailed at that time in the Court of Chancery, and the
inadequacy of judicial strength in that court, resulted in
the Cut that m say matters whifh would have come before
the court, if there were a prospect of an early settlement,
were withheld, and in that way injustice was done to suitors
who would otherwise have appeared in that court. (Hear,
hear.) I find that while from 1810 to 1812 the average of
cases was 310, that from 1823 to 1836 the average was 945.