The Express.
London, England, 1853-08-04 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS,' THURSDAY EVENING, AUGUST 4, 1853.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. '
HOUSE OF COMMONS.--WEDwwspAy, Arc. 3.
Toe Segos tit took the chair eta quartet-I)dt 12 o'clock •
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The nrder far the second reading of the Barad.% stk.! Cem
tell India Itsilway Company Bill was read tan 1 sliac.aarged,
on the motion of Mr. Ilmir it duos.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
ASSESSED TAXES BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, In trow:ng
the postponeuscat of the committee of supply to V.antlay,
said that min'it he the mast convedent oppirtonity for him
to give :totter of certain amendol. nts he pr.);•osid ',Snore
to-osorrow in the assessed Liles bal. There s re o.su Or two
bytats about waich much into rest had b'en
gelding which nut of doors, he hoped to sate the
time of the house. By an error, l" compilers
which had been struck out in committee in favour rf
paupers wh.. k.ut dogs was retained in the hill as it stood.
He propos. d to strike out Clot esemption. Anoth.:r point
which had b. an tricatior.id to him was with ri mect
home. A: erc.tut the pr-ctier was to charge the d it. y upon
each and every rtes horse kept during the year ince .1
of u in the eau of other articles liable to daty upon the
greatest number kept at any one time during the year. Ile
proposed to assimilate the practice in respect of the duty on
tact horses t that in naps ct to the duty cm canines and
other artiea a, as that if the owner kept but ct.e at any one
time bat changed that oac four times during the year, be
would be charged for one race horse and not fir four
as he was at pr. wd. Another point which boll b:en raised
was the liability of farmer's Carts to the tar if on the Sun-
day thy wet used for the purpose of eonveying the family
to church. lie propmed to mutest that liability, sad to
allow such cart: to be used for that purpose a iltout ming
the t le. Another point was as to hu.bandly hams kept
by those who wars not farmers in the erietty legato:Ewe,
but gentli men who farmed for their amusement, ond
were not farmers by profusion. As the hill ..toul such
horses wee.: bade to a tea of 104. 61. sacs—nat was if
need at any time for purpose* not stri:t'y confined
to busbaulry. It hod teen complained tit' t tt is would
give n. 6 to mconecn:enz.-: and annoyance, and h.• proposed
that persons harming but not being fanners by profession
Mould, by a sMule payment of a guinea c, arty, stand
exempt r. vitt to all such horses sad be permitted to use
them for the purposes of the mansion, garden, and for ordi-
nary domestic purposes. (Hed.)
Mr. AULIONEY wished to know whether carts used tor
agricultural purposes would be liable to the tea if they had
• sant filet for the accommodation of the driver He bad

especial object of which was to consider the condition of
episcopal and capitular revenues, the state of parochial
instruction, and to see that the revennea of the church were
renderA more useful for church purposes. That cummis•
lion was appointed and presented reports, and the questian
which his hon. friend said was to newmed the introduction of
which had brought so much obloquy on him, was discussed
in 1830, sod the principle to which his hon. friend said he
had hem a martyr was adapted by a majority of the house
is those days. He (Lord J. Russel!) was obliged to go
further than this, and point out the principles on which
the house had proceed'd. He believed it was laid down by '
Hr. Barka that you bad no more right to inquire
into the revenues of the bishops, and the Bishop
of Durham was mentioned, than into the revenue
of any other individual of large 'lntake, and that
such inquiry was beyond the province of legislation.
That principle, however, was by the course taken in ISId
shandened ; and it was admitted that if her revenues could
be made more useful to the church, thouoh life interests
should be respected, the principle of interference should be
adopted. But on the qu. sinus of the application of this
ne • principle, the bishops who were members of the com-
mission felt that there was SADO difficulty in making an ar-
rangement by which they wou d avoid the appearance of
hishoevs receivie-g salarics of
r public oces, and it was
thought better that they should still possess their lands and
have the management of them, and that whatever parlia-
ment thought ought to be the eueomes of bishops,they must in
a certain d-grce fluctuate, as they would oniy be regulated
according to the returns of the produce of the
lands. It followed from the adoption of that principle
that there must he • c'rtain fluctuation and a varia-
tion, and uncertainty with regard to the incomes.
Ile (Lord J. Russell) was far from aapiag that the principle
of the noble lord's bill wasn't such as porliatneut ought
to adopt ; but he should be sorry to came to any decision on
it now, and he should regret any decision which might
appear more adverse Cu the priacipie of the noble lord than
it ready
Mr. AULIONBY said if the second reading was pressed
to a division he should rote for it, and he should be sorry if
it was not carried, for he always thought that it was the
opinion of the majority of the house that the property of the
church was is such a state as t i require legislation.
The '.llarquis of BLANDFORD said that out of defer-
ence to the opini to of the house, their desire that nu deci-
sion should be taken against the principle of the bill, he
would postpone it on the understanding that he heel the
permission of the government to brieg the same bill on the
table early neat session.
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the order fur
the second r.ading nischargel
_ EXPENSES OF ELECTIONS

known &case of a person who WJS surcharged because he
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On the M;tl,;:in-r—e—nin—r; inro committee on thin bill,

Axed • boil(' to r ere noon at the hack of a stiino cart. I Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said that modificatioin had
Ihe CHANCELLOR of to. EXCHEQUER heel no he- I been made in it to meet objections which had been offered
iitation in eiyiug that not coos as the hon. gentleman de- to it, and it woe now simply a measure to prevent the use of
scribed would not he taxable under the bill. I bands, colour., &e , at elections.
Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY wished to know whether Mr. W. COWPER said all the objections were not ye-
a horse fur which the duty had been once r ,i.l would be moved, and suggested that it would be better et this period
liable en a second duty is the same year if it patiod into of the session to give up the bill, the principle of which
other heeds? might be included in the government treasure nest session
The CIIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied that After a few words from Sir C. Bonhact.,
the tax was not leol upon the worse, but upon the person, Col. SIBTHORP designated this as a mean, low, dirty
and would be eiorged es in the case of carriegee owl other bill—(loughter)—dangerous, idusive—a trap set fur unwary
articles upon the largest number kept at any one time dor- rum who by it might be made guilty of what they never in-
ner( the year. I tended. It was a restriction on the liberty of the subject,
EPISCOPAL ANT) CAPTTULAR ESTATES BILL. ' and yet was brought in by a professed esteem. liberal. He
The Marquis of BLANDFORD having mooed the second moved that the further consideration of the bill be post-
reading of this bill, pored till that day three months.
Mr. 1V10:1AM rose to move, pursuant to notice, that toe Mr. W. BROWN supported the bill. He objected to
tell he read A secant time that day three mouth+. Ile owe- I colours, bands, and everything which was calculated to
cured is the noble lord's general views, and wse af dsoinois di-truct the sober judgment of those who were about to re-
to make them e %pithier estates nod revenues hi pruslucbve 1 turn members to that house.
as partite. with the view of increasing the e Heir icy orol The house divided—
usefulness of the church establishment, as was the noble For going iota committee
lord. The alteration in the circumstances of the country Against it
end the increase in the value of property hol extended to The house then went into committee.
the property of the church, and, seeing that taros town On clause 1.
bad grown up where no spiritnel provision was tootle, he Mr. W. COWPER proposed an amendment, to the effect
admitted the that want ought to be supplied tent that instead of the employment of music, colours, and bells
of that increased value. lie thought, however, •by a candidate making his election void, that such person
there were very strong reasons ageOrist moiling s should be subject to a penalty of 1001.
this bill a second tills at the present moment. Mr.C. BERKELEY said the effect of the amendment
It was evident that the bill could not possibly, at this late would be that a wealthy candidate would pay his 1001. and
period of the bowies, go be. and that stage, end he could , have all the nuisances which now existed at elections.
sot see what useful purpose was to be pined by the I Mr. MALINS agreed in the principle of the bill, which
been committing itself to the principle es hie% the MU I bad been fully established by toe house, but having done
involved. He did not wane to commit the heure by that he suggested that the further proceeding with the bill
a vote against the principle of the bill ; and if the noble ; should be suspended, sod the object it had in view might
bed would consent to withdraw it he would not press his I be included in the permanent hill of next session.
amendment; but if net, be mast persevere in moving that Mr. AGLIONIIY thought it too late to stop at this stage
the bill he read a second time that day three months. Otto till', and thought at desirable to get the object con-
(Hear, bend templated by the bill at once without waiting fur the go-
S.r R. MOLTS seconded the motion, but c 3411,1 not coo- I vernment bill nest session.
cur with the hon. end learned gentleman in any'leino it. no Colonel SIBTHORP said if this bill passed he should
gard to the bill, except the motion of his Ruble Mead who consign ban. members to the tender mercies of their cumin-
brought it forward. teens. He should oppose the bill at every stage, believing,
Mr. S. HERBERT thought it would hasdly,be contended ash, did, that it was a d.sgracetul, mean, dirty, and shabby
that the preeent system of segulating the lotion i of the bill. (Laughter.)
bishops was the best that could be adopted, .iiasaaueli -a Mr. W. BROWN said a few words in support of the bill.
it 'spend them to teen;otstiens in dealing with tho epic- Mr. F. SCULLY thought the clause of a most stringent
won estates. which could not but give rise to sanded character. If • band of music were engaged ten days M-
ead render them liable to suspicions, which, he believed, fore or after the election, the candidate was to be unseated.
however, to be altogether unjust and unfound. J. He con- sad they knew how easy it was to prove agency. It really
marred, therefore, with his noble friend that the existing • was too bad. At the same time it was well knee u that
system required the attention of parliament •, but ho I persons were employed to carry flags and banners, and that
doubted much whether his bun. friend had bit the precise the payment fur these cervices was a means of corruption.
mode by which it ought to be dealt with. His noble So far the bill might be useful, but n the hon. member fir
friend was anxious that the bill should be read a secoad Wallingford said it would be much better to postpone
time, because perineum:it would thereby be pledged ti its' legislating on the subject till they had the whole matter
pniteiple ; and that was csactly his (Mr. S. Herber: a) ; before them nest session.
season for sthieeting to the second reading. ' Mr. Vs ALPOLE a.ked the right hon. baronet (Sir J.
Mr. VERNON thought it a naisfurtune that the house I Graham) whether in case an aoent were employed gene.
bait en means of knowing what were the wishes of the rally to coceluct an election, and Le did anything against
church upon this question, end that the church should be ' this clause, the candidate would be unseated.
the only corporate body who had no means of espresoing S.r J. GRAHAM said he iii.d not come to the house for
their opinion on matters directly affecting their owe the purpose of discussing this b 11, and be thought that the
interests. sooner they proceeded to the next order of the day—the
The Marquis of BLANDFORD admitted that it woe too bill fur the core and treatment of lunatics—the better. (A
late in tee session to ask the house to do more than to laugh.) On the whole he thought it would be better not to
affirm the principle of the bill, which was that the lanits go on with the bill at present. He was also of opinion that
and property belonging to ecclesiastical persons should be what the bun. member for Tipperary said was tree ; lie be.
under the management of laymen, and that the incomes of lined that great abuses did take place is employing men
such persons should be fixed, instead of fluctuating, and be to carry flags at en election, and that that was one of the
secured to them in • manner more befitting their spiel:nal node• of corrupting electors, but he did 113 t see that any
character. The argument that a commission hal been ap- advent ige was to be gaited by prohibiting hands of music,
pointed and had not yet reported was by no means new—it On that ground he voted with the minority. His right
was the ordinary one br.mght forward to meet relations hon. friend (Mr. Walpole) had raised a point of interest.
of this kind, and if it were admitted by the The doctrine of constructive agency was carried very far,
house, it would be only necessary to issue a and he should say the principle of agency would apply to
commission to defeat any measure however necessary red this clause. Ho dii not see why a local tnumph should not
peening. But a commission had already sat and inquired be celebrated by the playing of music and the ringing of
onto this ouloect and reported, and a bill had been founded bells.
ea their report as to the future management of leaseholds, Mr. LIDDELL regretted exceedingly that being engaged
and after being referred to a committee of the llouse of in a committee un-stain, he was not in time to join the
lend% WO lost, and another bill which wan subset. minority on this bill. ills great objection to the bill on,
wally brought M and passed wholly omitted to deal with that it made sets criminal which had always been consi-
the question of management. They had already had an doted, and were still recognised, as legal. Connected with
ingoiry, and all the information that was necessary was almost every colliety there was a band of music, and when
bet ire them ; there was therefore no reason Ow postponing the candidate went into the dietrict, he was met in triumph
their uccision on the principle of the bill on the ground by this band. The candidate was not required to pay for
that an inquiry was now pending. The noble lord it, bet he received it as a mark of the good will of those
concluded by urging the necessity of a measure of this who thus greeted him. Was it to be tolerated, that an
kind, deprecating the notion that its tendency was towards %lotion •of this sort was to deprive a man of his seat ? Such
the destruction of the church ; and expressing his belief an enactment was perfectly absurd.
that in agreeing to the second reading of the bill, the house Mr. MALINS said be was encouraged by what had
would only prove that they assented to the principle of its- fallen frum the First Lord of the Admiralty in persevering
proving the usefulness of the revenues of the church, and is hie opposition to this bill. He thought it absurd that a
that they were willing to adopt measures to relieve the member should lon his seat because a band of music, after
church from the obloquy which was cut upon her, and the election, played " See the conquering Hero comes."
render her equal to her high and sacred duties. Yet he was one of those who thought elections should be
Sir B. HALL said that whatever difference of opinion conducted quietly and without turbulence, and he suggested
there might be with regard to the manner in which church whether it would not be desirable that instead of tha sys-
property was to be dealt witb, every one was agreed that tem of open voting at booths, the rates should be taken at
the trim had come when Alms steps should be taken to the houses of the electors.
cause that property to be administered in the manner best Mr. 11. BERKELEY remarked that them who sup-
calculated to contribute to the usefulness of the church. ported the eystem of employing bands of music at elections
Feeling that, he was obliged to his noble friend for the care went on the assumption that the risco of the people was to
he bad taken in the preparation of this bill, anti the atten- be found in the tone of a trombone, and the constitu-
tion he had paid to the general subject. Nu one could Goo in the rattling of a drum. He was surprised
say that his noble free nil was an enemy to the that, after this bill had passed through so many
church, and therefore his object could only be to stages with Ouch large majorities, an attempt, led
make the property of the church available for its pnrposes. on by s minister of the crown, should now be
and those who lied objected to the precise meant he had made to defeat it. There could be no worse system in the
adopted, but agreed in the principle, ought not to object to world than that now carried on at our elections. Music
the second reading of the bill. He wished to call attention and flags and banners kept up an excited state of feeling,
to the progress which had besea made in the reform of the and the people were led hi fis 'open a colour, and not upon
church in the last two or three years. Every one was now a man. This state of things kept op a sort of feudal system
reedy to take part in that reform, hut three years ago any in the counties, where it nun° uncommon thing fur tenants
member of that house who took such a step woo denounced 1 to be led up to the poll under banners bearing the interio-
rs" en enemy of the church, and desirous of spoliating her Bon, " The tenants of the noble hone of so and so." Ile
revenues. It was on that ground that the hon. and Inroad I had seen it himself. Thus tenants who in olden times rod
member fur Cambridge University wished the bill to be re- lowed their landlords in their feuds against others, or in
jaded, and he end it was an evil to give fixed ift(AAMMS to predatory excursions, now were led to the poll to vote for
the episcopate body. He (Sir B. Hallo honorer thought the candidate of the landlord's choice. He hoped the house
that a great desideratum, and if they hail fixed intones, would cot be led to reject this bill by the promise of a re-
sod ware paid quarterly, and were not mixed up with land form bill, 'think won said to be leoruing in the distance.
agency, mods of the obloquy which bad f..lleit upon teem World the right boo. baronet get upend say he would in-
would have been avoided. The hen. gentlemen said that traduce a clone in that reform bill to do away with these
if they wen to receive filed incomes they would be in a nuisances ? He thought the liberal members of the house
worse position thin the working clergy who received ream had very little chance of getting such a reform bill as would
Ming incomes under the Tithe Commutation Act ; hot he (Ber satisfy them.
E.Hall)believedtheclergy would preferbaving fixed incomes. In tho course of a further discussion,
Ile hoped that this bill would be allowed to pans the second Sir J. GRAHAM raid he wished to explain why he bad
reading, or, at any rats, that the ncble loch (J. Lunen) ' taken a part in this discussion. His avocations had pre-
would give an saaurance to the house that the matter would vented him from being present at the previous discussions,
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be considered by the government. If that aseunum was and his object in being linnet to-day, at some incoa-
given, it would be for his noble friend to consider whether venience, was to,tako part in the di.cussion on the next bill
he would press his bill. All he (Sir B. Hall) could say was, I that was to come before the house. This measure came
that in the course he had pursued in these motor. Me only on, and be did not like to leave the house, as it would
obiect was to endeavour to make the church a booming to I not have been reseectful, and not agreeing with the mane.
the country, and he believed it might be omit so by a ! city, he did not shrink from (*pressing his opinion. So far
better distribution of its property. from wishing to take a conspicuous part in the discussion,
Lord J. RUSSELL said he was sorry that the terle lord I he should not have risen had not his right boo. friend the
hail not yielded to the suggestion of his nein hoc. friend member fur Midhunt called upon him to answer a quer
the Szeretary•at-War, and reserved the whole
~ oottose , lion. His hon, friend opposite (Mr. C. Berkeley) had not
for consideration at a how, period. it would, he ; only ma-le very free with the hon. and gallant member for
thought, have been better, considering the
per I Lincoln, but with himself. lie took with good humour the
of the session, sod as this was only the second 1 remarks that applied to himself, but his hon. soil gallant
reeling of the bill and it could not become taw, this session, I freed the member for Linc•.l4 resented those which applied
he e••utd, he sani,have wished that the made lord had assented ito him. He could only e•y of the hon merulier f.r Clad-
to whet had bees proposed, and withdrawn or postponed 1 tenham, " Ile loves not music as thou dost, Anthony."
the bid. He wished this the more, because, if the clestion Mr. HORSFALL said he wished to protest, in the
was pressed to a division and he was compelled to vote, he , strongest terms which he privileges of the house would
should son og linst the second reeding, and would thereby permit him to do, 'mains: the observations of the hon.
onnvey, unit,' he explained his intention, a flew impreseion member (Mr. C. Berkeley) with "'deed to the election fur
of his views. For he was by no means certain that the biverpoo4•
principle of the noble lord was not such as patdemarnt Mr. LIDDELL also protested against the observations
might adopt. He would rather not give on monies se to which had been mule wrih regard to the Liverpool election
whether parli anent ought to adopt that wine:rle at any being received as havlcie tht eliehtest authority.
future period ; best it the noble lord divide lon the second Mr. °EACH remarked that there was a large elves of the
readmit ho should be obliged to sate against to He was community whom they would no; admit to the haat Ilile,
compelled to go further into this matter than Oe should but they had a right to express their opinion+, cool what
otherwise have wished its censequenee of the speech of bit allies had they except he assembling in procession, of
Min. friend the member for Meryleh ne. if Noe hon. eh ,e,eg their s)enpatlry for owe ceiodidete or the mine ?
friend bed paid much attention to wh .t bed weer-red in Tue committee then divided on the question, that the
former years, ho would hardly have said that any choler."' leave the chair:
one who stated two or three years ago that there were Ayes 47
shuns in the church would have ben subjected to obloquy. Noes 1; 1-37
The fact was, that twenty years ago a commission was apt The committee then proceeded with the clauses.
pointed by S.: RAW ran, then the dust mineter, the Mr. W. COWPER, moved the omission of the words,