The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-02 00:00:00

such union, notwithstanding that such justice shall not be re-
sident within tLe Lime."

Sir J. GRAHAM opposed the chose, because it would
lead to a relaxation of the law which limited the number of
ex (Ado gunrdiar a.

Mr. H. HERBERT said that one of the great coerces of
embarraesme❑ tin the administraion cf th po r lai in Ire-
land arose from the difficulty of finding a autiltient number
of persons to cunsti.uto an efficient board of guardians. He
did not are why competent and intelligent gent:emen should
be unnecessarily extluded from serving on the different
boards.

Sir G. GREY would have no objection to the introduo-
tion of a clause under which the requisite number of
gardians won't be made up from persons residing beyond
the union, in oases in which the ex officio guardians slimed
not amount to half the whole number of guardians on a
board.

Mr. HER bEitT expressed his readiness to withdraw his
cl iuse, on the understanding that one carrying out .he view
of the right hon. baronet, the Secretary for the Home Du
partment, should hereafter be introduced.
The clause was ac:orciingly withdrawn.

Mr. HERBERT proposed another clause :—" And be it
enacted, that no distress for non-payment of any rate, or part
of any rate, shall her. after be levied or taken upon any rate-
able property bring of the descriptions following:—that it to
say, implements cf husbandry, gardening or farming utensils,
horses, carts, and hur.e furniture, provided that the vine re-
spectively shall be in the actual or habitual use or tmploy-
ment of tie person or persons possessing the same."
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL opposed the clause. Pro-
perty of this ascription could be seized for poor rate in Eng-
land, and he did not see why a different law should be
extended to Ireland. He should further observe that the
clause would, in many casts, render the collection of any rate
impossible.
Sir H. W. BARRON wished to remind the hon. and
learned gentleman who had just addressed the clmorttee,
that there were already many differences between the vro-
visions of the English pot law nod these of the Irish
poor law.

Sir J. GR AHAM said he believed that if the chitse were
adopted, the rates could in many instances never
col-
lected.

Sir A. BROOKE felt compellt d, by a •ensc of justice, to
oppose the clsuse. lie confessed that he did not wish t.
come to the Exchequer moots than might be absolutely ne-
smeary. (A laugh.)
Mr. H. HERBERT said he was not prepared to press the
clause, as the sense of the committee generally seemed to In
opposed to it.
The daises was then withdrawn.

Mr. CLEM lihrl S then proposed the insertion of a clause
proeidiem that when new uniin.s wore formed the commis-
sioners should be emeowered to appropriate for the seem-
modatem of tho paupers of those new unions a portion of
the workhouse of the unions from which they had been sepa.
rated

Mr. MONSELL opposed the clause, which would, in his
opitiion, give rue to endless contention among beards of
auardians.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
there were many instances is which the dome would apply,:
it was moat desirable, in all electoral divisi.sne, to provide
workhouse eccommuila ion, for it might become advisable to
withdraw ail ou,cloor relief. He thought that those hoe.
grwlen:en who advocated em tier areas of taxation a:shed
to legi,late for property, not for the poor.
Mr. STAFFORD th.)ught that tte Chancellor of the
Each, (pier had endeavoured to fie a stigma on a large body
of honourabie 4ttil iufluential gentlemen: lie hoped thst he
would c xplain the hard words which he had used, in order
that he might retain the character of fisirnen which that
side of ihe house had always been willing to aer,rel to him.
IHe hoped, however, that this clause would be rejected.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER Ind Oct
intended to apply the observations he had mode to his hon.
friend opposite. The object of the clause was to save the
poor from travelling great distances to obtain relief, and was
therefore worthy of consideration.
Mr. H. HERBERT rrgretted the aversions that had berm
cut on hon. metabcre on that side of the house by the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer. As to the clause, it was imp mitile
to say there might not be cases of hardship; but he it not
see the nee ssity for legislation on the subject.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL thought it would be better to
pea pone the clause until the government brought forward
its plan for the erection of new union workhouses.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this was ealy a pro-
vofis:
ntice rtw
ua.tilieutnthweiphoobrelaarwa
end 1•.
iMdgiinTrn tthoes'elpiiptilytinthgewPrk-
houses until new union worklitusas wore erected.
Atter some conversation,
Sir J. GRAHAM. observed that they should never lose
sight that they were deali, g net with a temporary, bat
a permanent alteration of the Irish 000 r law. He *mild
not obj(et to this c'eure if it were to be of temporary
operation, and were intended to meet a temporary difficulty,
but as a permanent law, he thought it would be atteethel
with considerable difficulty. Without wishinA to eater into
any controversy, he might state that he was moat actions
that the tizo of the unions and electoral divisions in the
south and south-west of Ireland should be =weirdly di-
minished. The standard of the Ulster unions end electoral
divisions were infinitely preferable to the divisions in the
south end southwest. (Hear) It was of primary im-
portance that there should In in a central /wanton in every
union a workhouse which could lie easy of access—(beer,
hear)—sad if eminence were given by the ezeheqier to Ire-
land in its present difficulties, it could not be mire safely ap-
plied that in building new workhouses. Time, however,
would be required to effect there trhjeen, but tide clause
might meet all immediate dirikulty, and if the right hon.
gentleman (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) would give a
pledge that it should only be of a temporary nature, he saw
no objection to it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER slid he had
not the slightest difficulty ire giving such en neurone, foe it
was chylous to every one that nothing could be more incest
venient, or even preposterous, than to mike the clause of a
permanent 'Attire.
Mr. CLEMENTS mid it had never been his inteetbn that
the operation of the clause should be p rmanent.
After some discussion, "Biz calendar months" was substi-
tuted for "one calendar month," and the clause wm
agreed Lo.
On the motion of Mr. CLEMENTS, a further &nee was
introduc-d, providing that tte commiasioners be
enabled to ensure the payment of the charge of the ouptn
from the new unions lodged in the old workhouses.
Sir H. W. BARRON (who had ol the notice-pepez a
clause which would abolish the granting of out-doer relief
atter the I.t of January; 1860,) moved that the chaisman
r. p ett prestress and ask leave to ait again.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expressed a
bps that the committee would proceed with the eut.nderst
tion of the bill, at least until six o'el eck, the hour at whien a
morning eittrnq was usually brought to a close.
Sir H W. BARRON said he felt that it would he Jenne-
'ibie for them to discuss the clause of which he had given
notice between that hoar (half-pan five) and MI o'clock.
After a sale further observntions it was agreei that the
oonsidernien of the clean proposed by Sir H. W. Barron
shout.' be postponed until a futur: day, and that the other
elaus or, of which notice bad been given, should at once Le
proceeded with.
The motion that the chairman should report progre at, was
there fure •'Odra en.
Mr. MONSELL then proposed certain clauses relative to
adv inning moneys from the surplus of rates to persona
wishing to enliven, end provinans for the rep.> meet of
the inn..
Sr D nharn Nnrreye, Sir W. Ferguson, and Colonel
Duune, ippiried the means.
Lord NAAS thought that the puhlic money of Ireland
elsneto be aped red to such a purpose.
After some further conversation, the dames were ordered
to he added to the bill.
Colonel DUNNE rose to move two clauses, to the first
of which he thought there would he no objection, to se-
parate the rate for the able-bodied from the rate appropriated
to the Rick.
!Ir. C. LEWIS apprehended that the object of this chum
was already eft reed by the manner in which the books
of every union were kept. He trusted that, under thee
eireunrdancev„ his hon. and gallant friend would nht press
his motion.
Colonel DENNE, after some conversation, was icduc'd to
I do so.

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Colonel DUNNE slid his second Osage would probably
canoe some di eu•sion, and thought it would be bettor it the
chsi.m.n would report progress. (No, no.)
Mr. VESBY said the principle of the hon. end gallant
mid, mates motion had already boon disposed of in a torus'.
dirioico.

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Colonel DUNNE still thought it would be better if the
chairman report d progress.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER th ught it
would he !utter that the chairman should report redeems
and a•k horse to *it again on Monday, as it appeared imp*t.
sible to finish the hill that eve, log. It must, however, be
understood that the obtaining leave to sit ague on Monday
was only for •ho pureme of po•tp ming the further enoside-
rat on of tt•e bill to Tuesday. at twelve o'clock, on which day
he trusted they would la" sb'e to go through all the dames
I of that bill.
' The haw, then retained, the chairman reported progrnst,
an oht*in.d leave to si• agai • on M mday.
The house adjourned sh••rtly after sin o'clock.

TnE lIAT lIARVEST.—A IDA-respondent, who has
abendan' oPPo. twilit:a for ob.ctv Ain over a wide extent
of c r.en•ry, 'es norm, r eoleet a fin r amen that
ttis for '_e, n skier. The crops in the Vale of Bethel._ y and
at Woceeece r will, in twiny ',stances. average thirty
to two tons per sere. Man• levee mows have Non wide
without kerbs, a drop of rain on them."—Bristol Mercer,.
ACCIDENT ON THE RIVER AND Loss Or LIFE.—AII
accident occurred upon the river on Saturd iy ofternoea
last, n.er th. Archbishop art esnterhury's pallet. It sr
pees that five rrsone, named Wm. Feld, Edward Oro',
Semite. Meier. Thomas Lem's, and Wm. Higgins. all is
the I topli,rrent of Messrs. Priv', the patent encos-nut on-
dle manufacturer, at Vanillin. had been to witness a cricket
moult at Bitter:ea, and were retuntitg lame in .. four'
oared boa', wh m the surf c used by a
paten'', stealer
struck the h."' and turned it over, precipitating the fise
ps mons itro he lieu.. S. viral watermen put off in then
host., and succeeded after some time in getting the for
fir.t-tamed vu• of the water, but Hicgias unfortunately
was &owned. The deceased was a son of Police•constabls
Higgins, of the L division. The body hed not been found
at 6 o'clock last evening.