The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-17 00:00:00

just as badly otr as before, or rather the evil would be la.
creased.

After • few words from Lori J. Itussam,
Mr. J. O'CONNELL protested that to reline the gruas
would be nothing short of murder. (" Oh !")

Mr. P. SCROPE said he would not trouble the betook
divide on his alasadessat, as the debate had not tamed he
that subject

The eaawsducat was accordingly withdrawn,

Lord D. C. STUART, who had another amendment en
the paper. said it was hardly poerible for him to proceed whak
it at that late hour (half-peat 12 o'clock). He put it hills
house whether he could with any fairness be eapeoted:to
to. (ie Go on, p on.")
Lord J. ItUtitißLL hoped the noble lord would mow,
sad anspeted that the house might very well sit as how
loftier, not haring sat on the preceding night.

Iir:BANS/dB reminded the noble lord that, dim do
moandinents were disposed of, there would Mill remain the
main nwesUen.

Sir W. H. BARRON hoped the debate would be ad-
journed.
Kr. E. B. ROCHE sled he had been most anxious toils.
liver bie eentinsents on the question, and had not yet had ft
opportunity to do No.__
- -

Bit A. H. BARRON having moved the adjanenaeat nt
the debate, this gallery was cleared for a division.

The house then divided.
Against the adjournment
For the adjournment -166 .
Lord D. STUART said that the house having decided he
so
bowed
e • majority that the dilute should be continued, b•
to that decision, end would proofed with the motion
of which he had given notice. Although he filth impoodble
for him to refute voting for the grant, seeing that the gee..
tion was neither more nor less than one of life or &mg
with regard to many of their fellow-subjects in be-
land, he confessed It was with pain he made lig
his mind to do so. But extraordinary occasions regalggi
exceptional treatment. Assuming, therefore, that the grout
wee necessary, the question arose from what source ?Waft
to emelt He had voted that it should come from impala
sources in the Brat instance. That was the course that ha.
malty dictated, but he considered that there was a mode d
reconciling humanity with justios—a course by which the
money of the people of this country might be returned
them. The mode promoted by the hon. member for Strand
seemed to him to be illu•ory. His own he considered
to be tufts practicable. It would be in vain to look te tin
unfortunate unions for the money advanced. But that
war not the ease with Ireland at large. The rate
for the whole of Ireland was not more than 2s. Nd. tt
the pound, and a very small addition to that wo=
back the amount of the grant. When it was
that 10,000,0001. had been already voted for Ireland, that
she was exempt from a great portion of the heavy taxation
of this country, and that the poor rates of Entilud wies
raised in consequence of the large influx of Irish pupae,
he did not think it was too much to ask the peep it
Ireland to take upon them this burden. The noble lord
moved that the 60,0001. to be issued out cf the consolidated
fund, ter the pupses of affording relief to certain distressed
poor-law unions in Ireland be advanced by way of loan, to
be repaid by means of a rate to be levied on the whole d
the unions m Ireland, except the unions receiving oath
relief.
Mr. BANRES maid that he would have weeded teats great
readily had the government consented to propose it ea the
last which in this shape was to be given. He was still ready
is accede to this grant if ministers would consent to the
stipulation that had been proposed.
Lord 3. RUSSELL said that he could net concur in the
amendment of the hon. member for Northampton, for that
was tantamount to a vote of censure on the gos
whines he had permed precisely the same course :Int
been taken by former ministers under similar circumstances.
With respect to the observations of the hon. member be
Stroud, he must say that the present grant ought to be wads
unoonditionaly as a gift, and not as a loan. He 'greed so de
with the noble lord the member for Marylebone that the
present grant ought not to be charged upon Ireland as a AU
to be provided for by a spec:al rate, but he certainly did
think that it might bosoms a question for the future emit.
derision of parliament whether any further grant ought eat
to be charged on some fund in Ireland, out of which it might
be repaid.
Sir H. W. BARRON protested against any rate in 'ail
being charged on those districts in Ireland where the poor
were not found so destitute as in the .estem unions. Seth
a course would pauperise those landlord, who had dos
their duty to their tenants, and it would be an act of aqui
injustice, cruelty, and impolicy. (Hear.)

Mr. REYNOLDS said that he should support the gown.
meat, and he only koped it was the precursor of easy
others of &much larger amount. England had taken upea
herself the responsibility of governing Ireland, and one of
the duties thus imposed on her was that of feeding the people,
(A laugh.)
After a few words from Mr. Pigott the house divided,
when the numbers were—
For the amendment 9
Against it
The house again divided upon the main question, what
there appeared—
For the motion l2B
Against it 39-89
The report was then brought up and received.
IRISH FINANCES.

On the motion of Mr. MACOREOOR, returns were
ordered,
Of the amount of the debt of Ireland at the Union. Of the number
and amount of loans contracted on account of Ireland from the period
of the union until the Exchequer of Ireland war united with that af
Great Britain, in the year 1817. Of the amount (if any) whisk
has been paid off, out of the Irish revenue, of the Irish deli
due at the mien, and of the Irish debt which accrued after.
wards, down to the union of the Irish and British Exchequers.
Of the amount (if any) of the said debts which ha been pdd
teem the soneolidated fund Once the union until the year 1814
Of the total amount of funded end unfunded Irish debt, Lockable
Boating Exchequer Bills, which was funded In England from the due
of the anion until the union of the two exchequers in 1817. Of do
amount of loans contracted on amount of Ireland from the union et
the two enure in 1817 to the Sth day of Jan.. 1849. Of the
amount if say of such loans as ban been repaid, diatinguishieg de
amounts( paid ( any) out of the consolidated revenue, and (Urn
out of the revenue levied in Ireland. Of the gross rum
levied in Ireland each year, from the Sth day of Jan., 1811,
to the Stb day of Jan., 1849, cliatinguishieg the expense of colleetia,
and the other payments out of the Irish revenue in Its way to do
Exchequer. Of the total gross expenditure of Ireland foe each yet,
from the Sth day of Januu7, ISIS, to the sth day el January, ISM
distinguishing the amounts (if an) repayments of loans, of redo.
the Irish debt funded in or transferred to Imbed, the
civil, military, naval, and route ulary expenditures and Intend pad
on Irish debt funded in England or transferred to Bohn /. d
which have been each year paid out of the consolidated
and out of the revenues collected in Ireland. Of the
(if any) width has been redeemed of the lash debt hen Be
date of union to the sth day of January, 1849, Catthi
ments out of the coneclidated fund and out M the reven=
Ireland. Of the total amount which remains unredeemed MON Ida
debt funded in England from the union to the sth day ot Immey,
1849. Of the amount of Irish debt funded In England on the elk der
of January, 1819, and amount of interest payable thereon est of he
consolidated fund. And, of the amount of Irish debt iambi In ke.
land on the Sth day of January, 1849, and the sources from width Ihe
Interred duo thereon Is paid.
IRELAND REVENUE BILL.
This bill wan read a third timo and passed, and the other
orders having been disposed of, the house adjourned st s
quarter pest 2 till Monday next.