The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-17 00:00:00

ENLISTMENT (ARTILLELL.RY AND ORDNANCE)
This SI
b II awes read a sewed Use.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
This hi:. plaited through eentaltaeo, sad nu ordered to be
reported.
WORKHOUSES (IRELAND),
On the motion of Aro Crimicsunn of the EICEBOVIR
issention was agreed to alutteri•iag ea Messes of 50,0001.
from oh* Consolidated Foal for the motion of workhouses
it biased.
The other orders of ohs day erns then disposed of, and the
house adjourned at balf-post 2 week.

PARLIAMENTARY DITIIIONS.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—JOLT 16.
PROrOSBD REDUCTION OF SALARIES.
*WPM—Order for eowittee raid. Winn made, sad geodes pro-
psi, " That Mr. Speaker de now leas the ehair."—Aesendenent
propose& is leave out frog the word " that " to the end of the
quesks, In order to add the words" a reductional ten per rent be
Made Lit all salaries in Mesdames department. and In all other be.
ta of goverstmest a: boss end abeced,"— (Yr. liesky).—
=hereof :—Gustket pat, "That tbe words proposed to be
left out stand part of the sieWn :"—The how divided ; Ayes,
149; Noes, 101
ATEA.
Ably, noses N. ranter. Matthew Ildlipa, Mr G. R.
Slab, It. A. S. Fmteque, Chiclieder Phony, WWiam
Agilanter. Hwy A. Poi Mftird IL Fewer. Dr.
Anson, Hon. Cola Friesian, Coked bre. Mr Robert
Armstrong, Sir A. French, Fltatephen Milisel, Akzandee
Armstrong, Robert IL Goshen, Henry 001.
Ashley, 1.11%1 Cinaley, Marquis of Baneen. 0. W. J.
=willtitw T. =nil. nHas.as lib G. 14aelliests.
Daring, Rt. Hos. F.T. W.6.4_, LIS Ils Mime il•
Beckett, Wallas Frew IL Beek
Bellew, Illaberd H.
Ld.J. F. Blibredmilinhimel
Berkeley, How. Capt. Ifiswer, FS Jots =l:49shin
Berkeley, Han. IL. F. Hawes, newleala Cbethe Z.
Berkeley,C. LG. Hay, Lied John lbisa. Ma
Ircusl. Ralph }fluter, Rt. Om W.G. Basel, Ms. Z. L
WNW, &mei W. I Irthoor. Ws
.. ltareal, E. 'C. H.
Wake, Martin J. Hinman. Erma Zeireteed, Aster
Bouveria. Hon. E. P. Lierns, It. Han. J.
B miss, Admiral Heywood. Or =7=
Boyle, llon. Col. Robbers, Or Jeba Ibefte, Mort D.
Brun& Thomas H
MSW% Then S. OWL 111. Hes IL L.
Breektnan. R. D. H Mewls Ilbelbens, Bed el
Brotherton, Joseph s. WA.
MAMA. SEAM, Rt. Hem /1. T.
Brown, w Ohm Whir alaillf. John P.
Broke, Robes D. Zee. O. T. Ile, Me W. M.
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Callaghan. Daniel Lei Ho. W. S. ItsernaelJerss
Carter, John B. C. Steel. G.
Cavendish. Ilan. C. IllAneterr. Ir. SAW. C. M.
Chinless, Juba W. C.
M.Gregor, John
Clerk. MAW eir G. Merailill. IMOD 0. TheemdThiegirlfenbiL es,
Odebrooks. Mr T. 1., Mathew. 011111•111 Tellmobi, Ha. F. J.
Cowper, Ilan. W. E. Mwde. MUSS INE Tessa. Hwy
Cull, W. G. Thema SWIM. Osseo J.
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Deers, AtZsirl urn, Pit Adwi Wood, Mass Ilir C.
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Alma, Tama Pte. Wiliam Kollar, Joseph R.
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LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 17.
Tat report of the Commie committee on the
ordnance estimates is sow pablished : an extract from
it appeared in our ye•WLv's impression. The re-
pat is chiefly valuable for the condensed mans of in-
formation it contains. The committee was merely
deputed to investigate in detail the management of
the department. Hence the /melty of recommenda-
tions in the report. And hence the great value
thet attaches to the few recommendatioos of
reforms, delicately hinted cr broadly expressed.
These recommendations have been evidently squeezed
out of the committie by the irresistible strength of
the evidence. They had all the desire to confine their
report within the strict limits of a diagnosis of the
disease; but in some cases the urgent necessity of
setting things to right at once was so irresistibly ap-
parent, that it was not in human nature to resist the
temptation to edge in a word of advice. No wonder
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was in such a hurry to get his
estimates voted before members of the House of Com-
mons had read the report.
Thanks to the pertinacity of Mr. Huns and his
Mende, ministers have not succeeded in getting the
Home of Commons to vote the ordnance estimates of
1849 80 in ut'er ignorance of the damaging criticism
of the committee. Their next device, therefore, is to
avail themselves of the unavoidable ostponement of
the publication of the voluminous evidence and ap-
wadi' of documents of which the report is a digest.
They assume for the name the character of sceptical
philosophers—of independent thinkers, twainn addicti
jurare in verba magistri. " Don't take the mere
word of the committee for it : wait till you
see the evidence, and then judge for your-
selves." This is the advice of ministers : we, on
the contrary, " will take the ghost's word."
The singular unanimity with which, it appears
from the minutes of proceedings in committee, the
passages condemnatory of the existing mode of
managing the ordnance department and framing its
estimates were voted both by official and non-official
membere,is a guarantee for their soundness as far as
they .go. There appears to have been only three
divisions in committee. In one of them Colonel
AzzON was left in a minority of one; even Mr. Fox
MAULE refassd " to march through Coventry" with
him on that occasion ; and two of the ministerial
antes domain of the board of ordnance—Lord C.
WELLEstisi and Mr. E. ELticz—positively voted
against him. The other two divisions offered such a
comical illustration of the political character of the
Lincolnite sect that a few words may with advan-
tage be devoted to them.
Two amendments were moved by Sir WILLIAM
MOLESWORTH on the original draft of the
report. Their object was simply to make the re-
port affirm in plain straightforward English, what
the draft attempted to veil under a cloud of wordy
sentences in the interjectional or interrogative form.
One of these amendments was carried ; the other lost.
Nine members of' committee voted on each occasion.
Both times we find the four exponents of the red-
tepid faith—Lord C. WILLESLIT, Colonel ANSON,
Mr. Fox MauLz, and Mr. E. ELLlCl—voting for the
unintelligible mode at expression ; and the four indc..
pendent members—Sir W. MOLEAWOIIIII, Messrs.
MILLS. COBDEN, sad VERNON. SMITH voting for the
phraseology whisk bad a meaning. And- on both
occasions we find the eating vote given—once
in favour of words that have a . and once
in favour of words that have no mean by GOD
and this mum member, the egregious Mr. SinitAT
HERBISZT. This small game is deliciously charm-
teristic of the tactics of the juvenile Entine. AU
their sayings and doings are framed on the seas
balancing principle. If in their speeches one mots
with one sentence of plain meaning, ha sun a mouth-
hi of sommos is togiod to it, lest they demi be

suspected of tco much sense; every vote they give
for a liberal principle or measure, I. were to be com
pensated by one of unquestioned illiberality. They
seek to play the came part in the get at contest ie•
tween progressive enlightenment and retrograde ob-
ecurantisto, that the bat is and in the fable to
have tried to play in the war between the birds and
beasts. And their reward will be the same that was
earned by their prototype.
We now return to the consideration of the report
itself.
The vote for ordnance services in 1830 was
1,689,4441. ; the actual expenditure, 1,959,140/. The
rote for ordoance setvices in 1848-9 was 2,801,7601. ;
the actual expenditure has not yet been ascertained.
In the course of the last twenty years—twenty. years
21 profound peace—the annual expenditure in the
ordnance department has been increased by at least
a million. The report indicates the means by which
the aggregate outlay has been gradually augmented
till it has reached its present amount.
The first vote on the estimates, as tow framed, is
" pay and allowances." In 1830 there were 8,345 men
in the ordnat.ce corps; now there are 14,123. How
far this increase of its numbers was called for may
be inferred from the history of one section of the
corps. The nippers and miners were first organised
in 1812, and first joined the army in 1813. Their
greatest strength in 1816 was 842 men. The expe-
rience of the Peninsular war called this body into
existence, and that war was triumphantly termi-
nated with less then a thousand men. The nags-
her at present authorised to be raised is 2,063.
Our martialists would have us believe that
we need more than double the number of these men
in the time of peace that was found sufficient to carry
us triumphantly through the most tremendous dreg-
gle in which this country was ever engaged. We arel
teld, Weed, that the Sapper. and Miners are em- ,
Owed en works and repairs in the colonies and
Nesomionally " on works at home. But no saving
anises from this to the public. The report says:
Yaw semmittee, adverting to the large sum proposed to
be wind for works and Inquired whether the value-
lb mistime afforded bg sad Misers Ind boon
mhos Into eoesidessies In piggeries this estimate. The
I intimate, it is said, is seeds epees contract prices. and no
nt:erases is nisi es Ike labeler rhea may be performed by
lOW amps of ...Amon.
The vote far " psy and allowances" is the
largest item in the estimates; next in amount
is that for " works, buildings, and repairs."
Respecting this head of expenditure, the com-
mittee state that " the mode of preparing
the estimate has, in several instances, failed n se-
curing the full information required," and that the
effect of this failure has been to " mislead the Hems
of Commons, and increase the difficulty of contemn:Di
the public expenditure." They add, that the Lords
of the Treasury are (or hold themselves to be) "em-
powered to apply any surpluses remaining from any
of the votes of the department to defray any unfore-
seen and unprovided expenditure connected with the
department. "Thus," it is remarked in the report,
" expensive works may be commenced and carried oe
without the cognisance of parliament." Instances
are given in which votes having been obtained with
a view to apprehended danger, the money has bees
expended after the necessity bad ceased. Thus the
apprehension of a dispute about Oregon induced par-
liament in 1846.7 to vote 90,0001. for defencei is
Canada. Towards the end of Jute these die-
pates had been settled, but on the 27th of
May an order had been sent cut to com-
mence the outlay, and it does not appear that any in-
structions were subsequently sent out by the govern-
ment to countermand the works previously sanctioned.
Works, too, have been executed equally expensive
asi useless, or wont than useless. 456,3111. have
bees expended on works in the lonian Islands ; and
ef this 148,6841. (at the least) have been paid by Great
Britain. Yet we are told :
One of the great objections to the fortifications which have
been erected towards the eta, is, that they render other fir-
', dilations on the land side necessary ; otherwise it may be
that we have only contrasted fortifications against ourselves.
Id Cork laai been left undefended it could never have been
bid against a Feat naval rimer; but, as it is, being forti-
fied, bine° es upon ice, in the event of a war, the inconve-
nient sesenity of maintaining a large garrison there.
Next in amount to the votes to which we have been
adverting, is the vote for "stores." The comment
epos thisvete is the report is brief and pithy ;
The Rom of Goonione can pronounce no utidactory
sitiss
Ives propriety of the amount proposed to be voted
ter Moro min it shall have obtained some guide to the
soma emeassetios. AU information upon this point is id
present teary incompkte.
'The vete far " establishments" is next in point d
magnitude. On this head we find it stated in the
report:
Is the opinion of your eosamittee, the greater facilities be
Me transport of storms whin have during the last twenty
ran been afforded throughout the United Kingdom night
have led to some diminution of the ordnance totablshment.
Vote 2—for the Ordnance office—is the only other
vole to which we intend to advert at present. The
committee say, "They are of opinion that the consti-
tution of the office, the division of the subordinate de-
, partments, and the mode of transacting business are
capable of considerable improvement." They may
well say so. The business is conducted by a board;
bat " the power of the master is supreme • he can set
aside and reverse the decisions of the board whenever
he thinks flt." And yet : "It has seldom bees the
mama of the Master-Oeneral to attend the l
et the board." The members who actually attend
beard are three. Each transacts the business of his
own department independently of the others. In point
et fact they are not a board. Two of these officers—
the Clerk of the Ordnance and the Surveyor-General
—perform the duties which, in the Admiralty, are
much better performed by one officer, the Accountant-
General. With reference to the mi.de in
which the accounts of the Ordnance are
kept, we are told : " Mr. ANDERSON and
HOFFAT, experienced accountants, enjoying
the coefideace of the government, concur in stating
I that this store account, both in t° e navy and ordnance,
is be me an imperfect principle, and is not satisfac-
tory. Again :—" Mr. ANDERSON says, that under
the yressnt form of account there is a great liabilit
to don and misappropriation."
issegh has been said to show the character of the
~Lane department and its annual estimates. The
department is inefficiently organized ; deficient infor-
mation is afforded to parliament; a power is asserted
and exercised of incurring expenditure onsanctioned
by parliament ; more men are employed than are
necessary; expensive works, some of an unnecessary,
nos of positively hurtful character, are constructed.
The existence of much jobbing and profiiiga.e ex-
=re is proved, and a strong presumption eats-
of the existence of much mare. Such is the
mature of the estimates which Lord JOHN RUSSELL
woad have humanely relieved the House of Com-
Imes from the disgrace of voting with their eyes open ;
bet which they are now voting with the report of
the committee in their hands, and with a full know-
ledge et their juggling and dierepatable character.

IT had been perfectly well known, since the com-
mencement of the month, in Copenhagen, and at
the head-quarters of both the belligerent parties in
Schleswig and Jutland, that the Prussian and
Danish negotiators were agreed on the terms of
peace. So fully, so officially, was this known, that
the generale on both sides were *eked to abide by a
temponry armistice. The German general, Perm
wrrz, as we said on Thursday, consented, bat
the Danes refused—for what reason, is now
apparent. On the 7th the treaty, just as it now
stands, was initialled by the negotiators at Berlin,
and the more complete agreement was immediately
to follow. In this tae of things the Danes watched
their time, collected their entire forcer, whilst their
opponents slumbered on the faith of an almost cos-
chided treaty. The 6th was selected by the Danes
for the attack, in order that it might be before the
conclusion of the treaty, yet that the tidings
of it might arrive too late to have any effect
to prevent that conclusion. A more base or boot-
less shedding of the blood of some two or three
thoneend men was never perpetrated. It is worse
than Bourr's fighting the battle of Toulouse after he
was aware of the conclusion of peace—a holocaust et
thousands of lives to salve the honour of a gamed ar
the amour-propre of an administration.
The /Tines is loud in its praise of such an sot. The
Throes says it hastened peace ; that is, frightened tie
Ring of PRUSSIA into granting it. The King of
hum must be a very bees creature if so. Bat the
Nose le totally wen. If the Bing of Panama d►
sweeseeninendatima in thisaildr, it is not for having
Obitist:maabeensiseeibei.oa the contrary, kr
net Oiling tithes& Maim of the Danes an
tesdisnalinelegeratelichleawig with
Dams& Praia, 411 tie maleary, Witted that