The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-24 00:00:00

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that be should vote for the bill,
thinking that it ought to go before a oommittee. He had
dons so lost year, and Le thought that the (sliest course.
Mr. HUME, amidst trod cies of divide, expressed his
surprise at the right hon. gentleman's conduct in voting
against the deliberate report of two of the commotion.=
appointed by ibis own goverment to exegetes into the
matt-r. The retort of those officers was deeidedl) 'gains:
the bill, u thew stated it would shut out the tide for sixteen
miles of the river, whereby 14,000,000 cubic feet of water
would be prevented every tide from washin the shores of
the river at Gkuceater. Re should y vote spinet
the bill.
Sir P. BARING said that tl.e commisototers appointed
by the government had only decided against a part of the
bill. There were other parts of the bill which might ad-
venturously be sent before a committee.
Mr. BLANEY opposed the bill.
Mr. LITTLETON support rid it.
Mr. 0. OGRE expressed his surprise that the government
should veto against they•part of their own officers. The
part of the bill they objected to contained the whole principle
of the bill.
After a few werikla reply from Sir J. PAArnavotr,
The house divided

For the lacend reading

Against it
The bill wee consequently thrown out.

INTERMENTS IN TOWNS AND THE METROPOLIS.
Lord DUNCAN asked the right hon. gentleman, the
Home Secretary, whether any gsvernment measure was In
preparation for the prevention of interments in the ineUo-
polio ; and also, if so, whether it was intended to extend the •
prohibition to provincial towns ?
Sir G. GREY said that the Chief Commissioner of Woods
and Forests had chugs of a bill for thepurpme of preventing
interments in the metropolfe, but t►at it was not intended to
extend Its provisions to provincial towns. He could not state
when the bill would be brought in by his noble friend.
RATE-IN-AID.
In answer to Sir W. BARRON, Lord I. RVIISILL said he
did not expect to be able to go on with the Rate in Aid Bill
so early as 10 o'clock, but, that if the debate on the naviga-
tion laws should be adjourned, he should move the order of
the day for the home to go into committee on the Rate in
Aid Bill at a lour boar.

• MR. DUFFY.
Sir G. CIRRI, Ia sweet to Mr. Hams whittles: Mr. Duffy,
albs had already ►been Died threes times, was to be tried a
'fourth seated that Kr. Daffy had been released on bail on
perdition that he *Meld surrender at the next sessions. Mr.
Hume thought the repetition of these trials had the appear-
ance of persecution, sad hoped that some amount of the re-
potsa attendant upon them would be laid before palliasses',
IRISH DRAINAGE AND RAILWAYS.
Sir W. BARRON asked the noble lard below him when
the governmest would fulfil the promise that after Baster
the house should hear from him some statement with respect
to the adman' for the purposes of arterial drainage end
railways in Ireland.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the government had SMOG
propositions on the subject of arterial drainage and railways
in Ireland to make to the LOW*, but he could not do so
mail the Rats in Aid Bill had gone through its stages.
NAVIGATION LAWS.—THIRD READING.
Mr. LABOUCHERE, in moving the third reading of the
bill for the repeal of the nsviteitn ewe, took the opportu-
nity of stating that he had every meson to believe that a pe-
tition had been forwarded to him from the mayor, aldermen,
and burgesses of Meatiest/or for presentation to that house
against the nevi adorn laws. It unfortunately happened,
however, that the petition intended for him had been for-
warded to a noble friend of his, whilst a similar petition, in-
tended for the House of Lord., bad been by mistake for-
warded to him (Mr. Labouchere.) (A laugh.) Ha bad
not had an opportunity of exchanging the petitions ; but ho
thought it desirable to mention it at that time in cue the
debate should close that evening. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. HERMES then rose to move that the bill be reed a third
time that day six months. The details of this subject had
been already so fully discussed upon former cepasions that he
be trusted he should excused from entering on them at this
time. They had now done with the evidence upon details
which had tilled no less than ten folio volumes, and he should
not again attempt to introduce statistics with which all must
now to fully acquainted. He must recall the attention of the
home however to the vast importance of this subject, nor
could he do so in more fitting language than that in which
the right hon. gentleman had introduced the measure to
the notes of parliament. The right hon. gentleman then
said : " The changes which I am about to recommend are of
a far more vital and extensive description than any which
have been hitherto proposed to parliament. I do not dis-
guise from myself that these alterations are of a
grave and tenons nature, that they go to the
very founded,* of what have been hitherto con-
sidered the navigation laws of this kingdom." (Hear.)
Since this. measure was last dimmesd its opponents
had had the inestimable advantage of an interval of
time—an interval which had tended to show what were the'
real eclair and wishes of the people of England with regard
to the nauseam laws—an interval which had put an end to
the delusion that there was a pressure from without calling
for Use repeal of those laws which it wee almost impossible for
the minister to resist, and which had afforded •buadeat prooh
that the great stream of publie opinion ran quite in awn.
teary diration. In that interval, too, they bed received
eddalasel kforisation from Canada, the West Indio,
Amelia, sad elsewhere. The information from CamKa
W less emit este reader it utterly valueless as an argument
km theirepeml of %hit warliation laws. The West Indies bad been
Wililshun, end the only document produced by the right
livettleauso had been disavowed. In reply to equities from
this aseratry, Portugal had declined to give up anything, and
beam Sips& we had received no answer. On the part of
Amodio, moreover, if they might judge from what had been
expressed publicly by the president of that great r a ion, as
well as by some of her most en Went statesmen, there was
no Intention to give up protection to her mercantile marine.
In fact, th.t beautiful structure of reciprocal generosity which
the right hon. gentleman tad raised would be found to have
been based upon a very sandy fiundetion. (Cheers from
the protimtionis:s.) The president of the United Stst s had
told them in hie inaugural address that he was prepared to
introduce measures for the eneouragemott and protection of
agriculture, manufactures, and commtroo in America—
s very wise determination, and one well deserving
the imitation of an older country. He under-
stood also that Mr. Webster had declared in •
public speech that the advances mule by Mr. Bancroft were
not such as were authori ed by the government of the
United Seta. A petition had been presented by
its chief magistrate against the repeal of the
navigation laws, signed by upends of 20,000 indiv:duals, in-
cluding the nausea or the tersest merchants In the world.
Again, Liverpool, nest to London, undoubtedly the greatest
menniereiel is immunity in the empire, sent up a letition
which he hao hinnelt the honour to present, containing to
lees than 47,000 signatures. That wes not all. Ile knew
that there might be signatures irregularly obtained, but he
knew this, that attached to that petition these were the
signatures of not less then 1,000 mercantile firm, of great
eminence. A petition in opposition to this had undoubtedly
been presented, but how many. signatures of respectable
mercantile houses did that content ? 100 instead of 1,000.
He spoke this on such authority that he was sure the
statement could nut be disputed. In addition to Liver-
pool there were pe:itiona from Bristol, Newcastle, Hull,
Waterford, Bel sat, Suridereed, end Glasgow. What
then were the motives for proposing and persevering
in a measure of this description ? What were tne moire
which should induce the house to set asideall considerations
of the peseible danger which might arise from the abolition
of these fundamental laws? None, except those which he
had e numerated, except the general declaration that it was
necessary to carry out the principle of the bill. Was it be-
elms/ you had made relaxations that you were bound of
merman; to Fp. much further ? lie denied that proposition, and
asserted that it had no necessary connexion with free trade.
He said that the navigation laws cf the kingdom were an
exception to the general laws. It had been declared
by all authority, and proved by all experience, that notwith-
standing the degree to which they cen:e in contact with com-
merce, they were the wisest of our laws, He moved that
this bill be read a third time this dog cis months.
Mr. ROBINSON wee desirous of seying a few words in
voting against the third reading of the bill. He linked open
this fall as obi. csieneble, not only hee use ft affteted in-
juriously the ...hipping iblei est, but ell those who depended
upon the building, eqapment, arid navigation of ships.
Another objection was his convict on of the extreme danger
to which it must expose our nasal rupremaey. He synod
with the right hon. gentlemen who seyke last that ell the
answer that had been rem feed from fere Lin governments, in
reply to the indication of our ministers, was rather discount.
mg to the government, than eucourteeng them to persevere.
It only amore' ed to this —item rep al your navigeti in laws,
thin you may see Ah•t we will de in return. There was no
sapless promise that if we would give them the advantages,
they would give us anything like reciprocity in their turn,
even supposing they had it in their pewee to do so. Teem
wu no foreign state which mold give us any advantages
commensurate with those which were propertied to be sur-
rendered by ti,i, bill. If the presumption arising from Mr.
Banerott's letter had been acted upon, we should have surren-
dered the advantages of a partial parte illation in the coasting
trade, although the Americans would never have given us
any such boon. When it was pelted what good was ex-
pected by government in endeavouriree to force a measure
like this through psrliement. it was answered that it was
necessary in md, r to carry out entin ly the principle of
free trade. He thouaht that, from melt csperimce as we
had had of thee free grade meanie p ni far Iron their being
such as to induce the house to carry them into the shipping
interest of tee country, the revere cuett to ha the course
adopted. When complaints were mule by the ape
cultural interest of the changes that had taken place,
the egriculturitts were told that the question had
not yet Is en tried, and that Caere were disturbing
causes which interfered with the beneficial work-
ing of the corn-law repeal. lie admitted to a certain ex-
tent the justice of that argument in favour of calling upon
the 'overcome to pines before they carried out their prin-
ciples any further. He was not diseiece, in the present state •
of the country, and considering the want of employme. t (one
of the greatest evils with which 'overawes; had so contend)
to agree to a measure which must necresarly have the
effect of increasing the evil. Many thousands of persons
were connected wilt ship-building end the repairs of ships,
and although he did not ray that if the measure parsed
ettipbuilding would altogether cease, yet it was sufficient for
his argument to a sert that the necessary cons queues of
passing the measure must be materially to lessen the number
and abridge the degree of employment connected with the
navy. As to the question of naval supremacy, wig any per.
sea du ' to deny, with the exception of Captain Sirling,
ct,
that a a mercentile marine was es nti.l to the manning
of the al Navy, in the event of any emsrgeocy
adds' from war ? He was sorry that Captain
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