The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-14 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 14, 1849.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT•
HOUSE OF LOHDIL—FamAT, JOLT 13.
Vas Eui of SuotTLAWST (Deputy Speaker) took ltio
seat at 6 o'clock.

sheen Jobe necessary for the proper work ng of the different
dams, namely, an alteration or nodefecalea of the quell-
desellen of guardians. This clan* gave the coma"
siumen the power of affixing a different valuation, a.
the qualification of goartiens, if they thought fit. This
dram was owing to the difficulty e. precoren; *digitate
sow to perform the duties of puard.an•, and for the
same reason the Bth clause previded, that in certain
ones won-resident proprietors might in enabled to
bums guardians. He did not apprehend any objection to
thou clauses, the obe et of which was to giee efficacy to the
law. The 9th clause provided that the electoral divisions
might be dividedfor the puree of electing guardian'. Then
elms a nroviefon on which come difference of opinion
existed ; he meant the preview.' by whit. root charges by
way of annuities would be lisble to deduction on account of
the relief to the poor. In the protest condition of Ireland,
when the income of proprietors was found to be far different
from what it wee originally, owing to the charge on account
of the pocr, he thought it wu only
feu rant with strict
principles of just ice to mike such a provision as this. The
11th clause provided that the landlord should pay half the
rate on public property; bet with regard to the relation be-
tween bendier and tenant al it often happened under the
existing law that the landlord paid much more than half the
rate, it was provided that in no case should the tenant deduct
from the landlord more than one half the rate.
Another important provision, which he was sure would
command the approbation of the house, as encouraging the
investmentof capital in land, was theexemption of land from
addition.] rates for seven Jeers, in respect of any improv
-d
value that might' be given to it. The 18th clause provided
a more effective mode of levying a rate, by cony. ruing it
from a civil bill process into a judgment of the court—care,
however, being taken that it should only. affect the land
really liable to the rate. Two material clauses had
been added to the bill eine. it was brought in, on
the representation of individual membere, whereby
districts and unions were enabled to tax themselves for
the purposes of emigration. This was, however, en-
tirely optional; and, with Vie consent of the guardians
of the pose law tomrnieionen moLey for this pur-
pose =jetzt he borrowed from the Exchequer Lan Cam.
missioners. Such were the amendments proposed in the
law. Ile was not prepared to say that others might not be
made ; for an experience of two, five, or even ten years was
not sufficient to arrive at sound conclusions on all points in
the adminietration of the poor law. Still this hill would
supply a remedy for some of the evii most felt at present,
and would remove as many difileulties as penitent. He
trusted their lordship. would give this bill a second reading,
and bestow on it • full consideration in committee.
Lord MONTEAGLE said he held it a duty to ca!l atten-
tion to the provieions of this bill at the earliest opportunity,
in the interest of thou largo classes in Ireland who world be
affected thereby. He regretted that the noble marquis had
not begun by moving that that part of her Maje sty 'a epee eh
which refereed to this subject should he read, and then he
might have shown how little this bill carried out the evi-
dence which her Majesty recommended to the consideration
of the house. Unless parliamentary committees were to be
regarded ea mere toys, there ought surely to have been some
attempt to carry out the reconimendatious of the committee
of that and the other house. lie complained of this bill,
not only for what it contained, but for what it did net con-
tain; and because the noble lord had wholly omitted any
statement as to the amount of the °xis+ ic amuse, or any
attempt to show that this bill would alleviate it. He would
undertake to prove that the hill was utterly inadequate for
the purpose ; taken even with the bine alresey passed it had
not the slightest tendency to produce such an effect;
and those nol.la lords who thought otherwise were
lulling themselves with false hoots. Lot no cue
imagine that Irish distress had been removed by
the wisdom of their legislation ; these measures had
certainly no tendency to that desirable end. (Hear.) In
considering the chows seriatim. he would a-k the hose., if
they believed in the intensity of Irish distress, to consider
whether any one of the clause* was adapted to relieve that
distress. Ile rejoined to learn that the noble marquiv was
not one who looked to the entire extermination of a class in
Ireland—the present landowners—u a necessary measure for
the regeneration of the country ; but MeVe anxious to Mime-
late the inves.ment of capital in land, let him not held out
fraudulent baits to capitalists. It was useless to fix a maxi-
mum, unless that maximum was likely to be adhered to,
end to be a real one. The experiment had been tritd he
this country. Last century. in all the incorporated unions,
a maximum rate was established, and adhered to up to
1796, when an act wasbrought inlreciting that the maximum
rate ao established had been found insufficient, and provided
that it should be doubled. But this was not enough ; for in 1812
the maximum was entirely retested, and the parties left at
liberty to impose say amount of rate they thought necessary.
With such experience before them, what capitalist ow the
face of the earth would place any confidence in the proposed
maximum rate being adhered to ? The English maximum
rate had been formed on an average of former years. The
first one now proposed was wholly empirical, without refe-
rents to any past expendituee. Even the valuation on which
this maximum rate of 51. wu to be levi d varied as much as
30, 40, or 50 per cent in different parts of Ireland ; hence
the 5.. 11111111111:111 in one place might be nearly 10s, in so-
other. (Hear, bear.) In some divisions the proportion of
valuation to population was as Si. to each individual ; while
in others it was only 7s. Now, would the sues nominal
maximum be justly applicable in these uses ? (Hear.)
He contended that the present measure eve evidence of
utter ignorance of the .taro of belated on the part of the
framers of the bill. Adding to the maximum rate of ss. the

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PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PE I ITIONS PRBSENTSD.
Savours Boa, Cowart or Kaast.—By the Duke of
WELLINGTON, :sum the epoutors in a sante be:A, in
the wenn of Kerry, ectaptaiuieg that proceedings which
had takea place ageism the trade's had been delayed in eon-
septratie of th. Dow return of the mord to the Queen's
bemcit, it Ludead.
iiRALTH or Tows.—By Lard WHAANCLIFFE, from
the ishabitaws of New 021.crd wee:, praying tor a sanitary
hues Pooh Law.—By the Marquis of LANSDOWNE,
from the C,rp rition of Cork, praying the house Dot to alter
the prnportiou of poor-r-te wow paid by lindlorda and
Masan.

meanwhile, wherever drainages, buildings, or railways
were being carried on they presented themselves, end by
accepting the Licest Wafell, di.plaerd no smaloor.l am. or
lnther paid English labour. The nnble lordlaved
aplogised for the areal length at 11 LicU ho hail lam
induced to address the house ; but he sine srely f It and
believed that the question was one cu which 0— w.
moral, pelitical, and social of It land, and relatively Op re -
fore of th• whole United Kingdom was nv at di clay
involved. lle should tteerve the smeridments and fur'ht
ohj he hal to offer to the ata,e of lie eemmi t. e Al

SAVINGS BANKS IN IRELAND.
On the pr•sr station of Ye petition from • savings bank in
the runty of Kim, by the Duke of WELLINGTON,
Lord CAMPBELL enured tlie noble duke that the per
titton should receive attention item the prober quarter.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The royal "meat wee theft gives by commission to the
knowing hills
Passenens ; Small Deb's (Scotland) Act Amendment;
Highways (Annual Reverse); County Clefs (Inland); Loan
Bocietiesr; Roclenestical Jurisdiction; Sesp Doty Allow-
mats ; Assault (Ireland); Salver Coinage; Sheriff of West-
moreland; York end North Midland Itailway (Deviations,
&e.); Sleek &nee Drainage Acta Amendments (Amend-
ment of Aste, Extension of Time for Completion of Work+,
Power to levy end raise norther Katia and Moneys, to alter
existirg Ruse end Toils, and for other Pe/roses) ; York,
Newcutle, and Berwick Railway (Barmocr end Almeu'h
New Branches); Charing-crom Bridge Amendment of Acts
((Power to alter siathensed Approsehes,&e.); Rut Anglian
Railway and Ely and lituatinedos Railway (Estes-
siou at Tame); Newcastle and C rlide Railway (Al-
teratiorg of and Stanch from Anton Branch); Truro
Turapike Rood, Penryn and Urdruth Turnpike
Road (Consolidation of Trusts, Alterations of Tolls,
Formation of New Roods); It nfrewshire Justices of the
Pena Courts; !levity and &Amex Roads (Amendment of
Act sea Alteration of Toll.); Caegleton Inelneura Act
Amendment; Great Yarmouth Haven Bridge and N ratite.
tion Improvement ; Westhead's Patent (for Improvements
in Manufacturing Far into Fabrles); Bat Too- Bien Central
Railway (Abendunment of the Rallw-y and Dlinoletion of
the Contrail); Stockton and Darlington Railway (Con-
inhalation of Acts, rte., ; Shrewrbary and Chester Railway
(for Branches to the Ureic Dee, Agreement fr.r Joint Station
rt Shrewsbury. Power to subscribe towards the Shrewsbury
and Hereford R %Away); Twine, Matket; Wisbeeb, Chat.
teria, Tid-irate, and Dowuhana- bridge Turnpike; Lancashire
and Yorkshire Railway (En elation of Ashton Branch end
Clifford Breech); the Dem and Chapter of Canterbury's
(Wel «orth) Estate; Bills.
The Lords Commisainners were the Earl of Shaftesbury,
the Lord Privy Seel, and Lord Campbell.
PUPILS PROTECTION (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL moved the second reeding of this
bill. In proof of the useenity of such a hill, the noble and
learned lord read • letter troz Lord Robertson, oneof the
judges of the Court of &teem, and the Lord Advocate,
Meting that snob • bill was indiapessable.
The bill was then read a seemed time.
SCOTCH MARRIAGE BILL.
The Earl of ABERDEEN hod observed that the bill on
this subj. et had been withal/awn by the government in the
other koala of parliament. Althou3h he deprecat th
ed e
alteration prepaid by the brit in the law of miurlage of
ficotrand, he considered the border marriages whisk were
resorted to in order to evade the law of England most dis-
graceful ; and it no other noble lord took up the lulled, he
teased to give notice that he would introduce • measure with
a view to rem tee this evil next session.
Lord BROUGHAM would willingly support the noble
lord in bringing in this bill, er would be ready to introduce
a measure on the stain, et Limo If.
Lord CAMPBELL deeply deployed the lose of the two
hills. He had parsed the bill thresh that house twice. He
payed they would per more nador the auspices of his
mobil end teemed Mead.
The F. gel of ABERDEEN said the whole kingdom of
Scotland was against the hill. Oat of thirty-four members
for S.o land, eon these who were the Wends of the govern-
ment voted ea duet the bill. If it hal sot been withdrawn,
the wb, le r. presentative system would have been a fare*.
The Earl of MINTO said the feeling against the bill had
been misrepresested. If the petitions against it had been
exam nod. It wield hove been (wind that the petitioners did
net understand the provisions of the bill.
The Eel of HADDINOTON said that every religious
der ominst,on had bees apposed to the hill.
After • few weeds ben Lard Baouomam, the subject
drePrdi
INVASION OP ROME.
Lord BROUGHAM Gaye notice that on Friday next he
would settee the meolutions which be now laid on the table,
with reference to the Preach layssion of Item,.

ate bill.
The bill wu then read a woad time. and emu:liar()
for Monday next.
To other aof the day were tl.en dirp.a.d 0., and
their lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY, JULY 13.
Toe SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'ilock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
r REPORT CONslDEßED.—hikryiehoue and Final,:
Tutus ike-roads Bill.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS CONSIDERED.—Rock Life
Assurance Company Bill
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PitESENTED.
PAUPER ENIORATION.—By Mr. M. GIBSON, from
board of froardians e,f Mancneeter thine, in favour of
clause in Poor Law Amendment B II empowering b nrda of
guardians to expend money from the le or rate to • limit.
extent in siding the eMgrati,a of ror persons charge:Moon
rates ; resetting °cwt.(' to poor law b .ard.
ATTORNETS' CERTIFICATE DU/Y.-13y Mr. 31. GI ESON,
from Mauchester Law Association, in favour of rsee.l o;
att.srot ys' certificate duty.
COUNTY COURTE.-13y, Mr. NF.ELD, trim a place in
Wiltshire, for an extehaion of the pitia..imion of county
courts.

AI:STRIA AND lIVECIAILY.—By Mr. OSBOUNE, from
the lieirty of Friend. u d other iulienit.nts ut Tunt,n':cin
end its vicinity, in opposition to the attempts or Austria to
subvert the libertits of Hungary, and praying t•tts house to
adopt measures without shiny, and with ut basing recourse
to arm., to recognise the just ricbto of the inhein.ants of
Hungary, and to pr.test agaieot the itouption of Answers
troops into that country.
BEES-SHOPS.—By Mr. OSBORNE, from the inhabitants
of St. Odes's.insthe•Fields, a only of Midultsex, against
legieletiv• encouragement b-ing given to beerslreme.
ECCLESIASTICAL IfILANNT.—By Mr. OSBORNE, from
the ltsv. Thomas Hollis, of l'lbute.oneh, tuaneltunit g of
tyranny on the part of his b.shup.
Powrvouzss Cirnos.—By Mr. OSBORNE, from D:. li
John Qnaylis, preying toe notim lord the Secret.ry for t.
reins Attain to urge a sixthly settlement of the Portugues

Loup Littou'a CASE: By Mr. OSBORNE, from Nr.
Charles Or.tho, whetter, of W c rutaii.uig the whit,
of the particulars of the eel. brined Lord Leigk'a caw, and
praying to be heard at the bar of the house to subsuuttia*
his statement [This pe•itioa was not ree.•ived. It was herded
back to the hon. member by the Attarnee-Oeneral, upon
the ground that it was infonaut, and thatGritfin was now
en inmate of a goal tor tti• mi•einduct iu the ease of Lord
Leigh )
Tan KERRY SAYINGS BANJUL—By Mr. HERBERT,
from certain inkahitains of the county Kerry, statrig that
thy bad been depooi:on In thu wrings banks lu that zoned,
which toiled—that a record had been qied at the 1,4 as-
sizes, which mused several points to be argued in thi Court
of Queen's Bench—tnat Judse Ball, who tried the record,
had failed to send in his report, and that ins pt titionero bad
thereby been subjected to considerable inconvenience and
t1L71311110.
MaaaLtorm BILL.—By Mr. WORTLEY, from W.lver-
hamptou, °sweaty, and tidier places, hi tee •ur of this bill.
Homes or Lattoya.—By Lad 1). STUART, from the
inhabitants of Meryl. bane, in layout of the bill ter Montan-
log the duration of the hours of 'abler.
BREAD BILL.—By Lord D. STUART, from the master.
bakers of Marylebone, against the Sale tit Bread Bill.
CLONXUL Scuroot..—By Mr. SCULLY, from the Rae.
Mr. Talon, of the endowed school ut Clones I, coa.plaining
el the report of the oentaii-sioners respecting said school.

stated, he proposed to have, the bill read • second
time end den, at the earliert opportunity, to go into
committee po forma on it for the purpose ot iiitrodueing the
amendmenri which he had framed hi accordance with the
ierre of the coccruittee ; and then, having done so, be
would pees it through committee in the usual form, endured
it to the uppr house as won as p.seible. lie begged, there-
hire, to owe that the hill be recd a scoond time. (Loud
cheats.)
The quesion being put from the chair,
NAD Eli said that he aid nut rise to offer any oppo-
sition or hieurence to the progress of the bill, but rather to
express hi saiivraction with the candid and highly
com-
mcndchle ord.:et of the hor.ourvld- and learned gentleman
in having ;ieleed his own ophions and views to those of the
members o the committee.
Mr. SA/LEI It agreed in the genctsl principles laid down
by the SoleimoGeneral; but those principles were not fully
reflected inthe bill hole Ile admits d that the bill which
was prepaid by the Master or the Rolle, would go tar to
diminish tle delay and expellees incidental to the press-
cution of ireditor suite, and he felt that some such prac-
tical zneasore we, loudly called for. Now, with regard to
the asvignibility of judements, the great evil of such
juigmectsas a security was, that they not only attached as a
charge urn the property in question, but that they over-
rode all tit perm:ail property of which the borrower might
be seized er possessed, or of which he might hereafter be-
come seized or pos-eistd. The great object they ehou'cl
have in yew, was to provide for the convertibility of landed
security. if they did so effectually, they would find the
power ofmneervion seldom en-rcierd, yet they would impart
to those ,ecurid-os t 1 igh chu7actt r la the mercantile werhi.
(Dear, Year.) Ile was of opinion, therefore, that little good
would with from depriving future judgment creditors
of the pewee of assigning these judgments. It was, in his
opiuion, a retrugade movement in the wrong direction, and
cerminlywea .ot one whie'd that how'e should sanction.
Sir J.GRAHAM slid that on another opportunity he
would alreas some cbiervitione to the house in reference to
this bill,in reference to the Encumbered Estates Bill. At
present Is would only observe that there wee no difference
es to theentretiun about to Le eithinit,td to the house—viz ,
that this till shoulii be read a s.encl time. The report of
the committee on which he hail had the honour of serving
bad sea presented ; the evideece was not voluminous ; the
esprit eves peel& ; it contailled a well-ressoned argumenra.
floes of that which the committee submitted to the house;
and It col-mused the imnortint evidence of Sir Edward
Bugden and the Mosier of the Rolls. If the hill were ?cud
a second tine, and committed pro form], they would, on the
next stage, have the auventsge of discussing the details.
The big wee then nil a second time, and committed pro
form], aid ordered to be re-committed on Thursday no at.
The ie.:Ling of the house was then suspended till five
o'clock.
Tne hone r-,unied at five o'clock.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The Yeeman Usher of the Black Rod entered, and,
having ervanced to the table, summoned the house to the
h.,ute of l'eer-' to heir the It ij al case:A given by COBIZOill•
'ion to se sera bills, (fir which re Lords' viper:).
IRE PILOTAGE. BILL.
In reply to a question from Sir G. Cloned,
Lord .1 RUSSELL said that the second reading of this
bill would nut be proceeded until it was printed, but he
cou:d not it preser.t fix a day for it.
AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT BILL.
In reply to a question from Mr. Si AlkilteD,
Lord J RUSSELL said that he proposed a twelve
o'clock sitting on Thursday, for the second reading of this
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that as the ordnance estimates
were to ha taken opt Monday, lie proposed a twelve
'o'clock sitting on Tuesday, to consider the Ltrds' amend-
meats to this bill.
IFISCAL RELATIONS BETWEEN GREAT BRITAIN
AND IRELAND.
O.t the motion for going into a committee of supply,
Mr. J. O'CONNELL ruse, pursuant to notice, to move
fur a Belem el mamiteee, to inquire into the fiscal relations be-
tween Grant Britain and Ireland. The result of each an
investimitien would, he observed, have the good effect of
putting an end to those bitterne,see which °cc:tiered hem
time to time between members of that how,
whenever • question of relative taxation or ad-
vance of money to Ireland was brought forward.
But his mutton had • much more permanent and important
object. lie wished to show that Ireland had been unduly
taxed 'Mee the union. Taking the gross revenue of the
country at a 0 000,0001., the amount of taxation exclusively
/odd by (heat Britain, was only 13.000,0001. Ireland bore
no part o' the taxation of that 13,000,0001., but of the remain-
i• re 43,000 0001. she c ntributed more than a full Aare. It
fed equelly heavy en both countries. With reference to the
13,000,0001, he contended that Ireland was rightfully
exempted, and not exempted on the scare of mercy, or
b.cowie no more could be had. In fact, by the
act of union, she ought to have had • greater
exemption. Ile contended alum that the act of union had
beer violated, both al regarded Ireland's general constitu-
tion and her amount of local taxation. She paid local rates
to upwards of 4,000.0001., which was exorbitant, and lour
times mere than England paid comparatively with Enelan,l's
Orange, wh:ch 'weir di 1,1( to anther:lie retiree wee 250,000,0001.
while that of Teel aped was only 20,000,0001. Then at the
time of the Union tne debt of England was found so very
much greater than that of Ireland, that there could

ESTATES LEASING (IRELAND) BILL.
The house went into committee on ?hie hill.
The various alums of the 101 l having b.eu agreed to, with
amendments,
Mr. HAMILTON moved the following elons,:
And be it enacted, that it chill be lawful to and far any incumbwit
of any benefice la Ireland, by indenture seat d and Mitered by each
incumbent, in the presence of ot.e or up.re wits. w or witucea......, and
with the consent of the archbishop or biflom of the diocese, undo; Ids
hazel and seal, such ounsent brine ,igniti. d either by way of riot wog,
meet to be written on such r by hi.being an theta:lug
pus, thereto, to demise or lease any *AA parts of the glen' Lands
et wad benefice, save as luminance provided, either alt .gether, or to
psteebtemstainmg not low than ten acres cash, for Idle term 1101
exeseuinj twentpose years, to Lie elect iu p ...twoon and nu. in re-
version or by way of future interest or too urrent letse
sided always, that In and by every such lease there chef
be reserved and made payable quarterly the iest yearly not hut can
at the time of lathing such awe be obtained or rea-comittly ex-
pected for the rase, without taking any floe or prcrohun, or any sums
of money or other thing by way of fine or pram :tun for makings one :
and tit
also, that every aura levee shall be to the form oral shall
cont he benefit of such incumbent anti hi- succesonts, the
reveal TelletT•thlON exception" coodi,tona, and covenants contrasted
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SITES OF SCHOOLS BILL.
The rose en this bill was brought op.
lU.EItIAOU IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES
FACILITATING BILL.
This bill runt through committer, and was reported W
the haute.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
lard REDESDALE said that be undentood that an
arrangement had b. es come to, is easoequenee of the ab-
noes of several noble lords, that if the b it were allowed to
be read a second time that night, the discussion nn the prhe
MIAs of the tell wouli bo taken on going into committee. He
washed to know if that were en.
Thu Marquis of LANSDOWNE rt:d that an understand-
ing had berm come to, particulsrly with respect to one noble
lad, that, if the hill were reed a se and lime that night, he
mould sot he precluded from giving his opinion on the prin-
ciple of the bi'l on going into coastal:tee, which he proposed
to do cm Tuesdsy neat.
Lord ISONTEAGLE objected to the passing over in such
a manner the second tesilinc of a hill which treated such
discussion, sad excited so much feelin on the other side of
tho Channel. li the second reading was proposed that night
be thought it should be *ln &seven d.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not mean that any
noble lord snould be precluded from discussing the hill. AR
he undertook wir, that the noble lord to whom he pinion-
lariy referred should not be precluded from giving his opt.
Lion on the principle of the bill ro going into committee.
The molt of teat would be that his noble friend would net
only have as opportunity of making a speech now, but alms
ea Tuesday. He would now state bneflr to their ha.
ships the object of the bill, tke second reading of
orbr+ he woe about to move. It was entitled On
an (or the noes effectual relief of the poor in Ireland.
The first and most important part of the bat, sal
that which was moot likely to create difference el
opinion, cemented of two clauses, one of which TIM
LW to the enactment of a maximum rate beyond
which no elective,' division RIO no utoon should he
sailed on to contribute to the support of the poor. In Mae
present condition of Ireland the want of such a provision
owned the greatest alarm amongst persons possessing pee-
perty is that country, and prevented the inveetieeet ed
capital in the way of improvement, in sgricu'tural en-
terprise or the purAsse of land, because they
eould not be sure that the entire results of their
industry, and eventually all their prop'rty, might
not he abionhei for the maintainance of the destitute.
No other mode seemed more likely to create that degree of
confidence which it was niceesary to generate on this sub-
ject, than the enactment of a maximum. It was eery, in his
°piston, to come to that c inclusion, but it was more difficult
to determine what the amount of that maximum was to be,
and within what limits the power should be exercised of
stopping the aid when it came to a certain amount. It ap
peared to those who proposed the maximum rate—
and their views in this respect met with the almost go
nand concurrence of the other house of pubament—
that a maximum of as in the pound in each electoral divistsn
would be a fair amount, and that beyead tree it would not
be right to prom en the electoral divisions. But no person
who looked to the state of particular districts in Ireland
amid doubt that this tate would not afford them ad, quiets
retie?, and that it would be necessary to supply the
i
deficiency from some other tnuroe, The most obvious one
was to miwis an additional rate on the unions at
large. the effect of which must be to Interest the largest
number of aeon* possible in the neighbourhood
to keep down the amount of rates, and to take core that re-
lief was sot given to nereons who were not objects of
it. (Hear, hear.) They thereto* pro to place an ad-
ditional rate ea the unions, wbich rate was to be limited to
le., and msly to be required after the nearest diligence was
used is levying the rate ors the electoral district. When
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British Museum in consequence of the want et a go -d expreseet by a majority of the It omen metholic bishops, that
cotale gue. • in order to make these cull: gee it bat they considered sale
The LORD ADVOCATE was of opinion that no public 1i aces for the tOtionti ri i f Roman catholic youth, certain
library was conducted better than, or even en well es, the St curiqws must hr profiled, ar antheg the test, that cer-
British Museum rea• ing-mem. tain profeesore should not Se sepein-ed, ca-ert subject to
The vote was then agreed to, as was that of 112,2031. toe
the di.embelied mill is, and that of 119,9-}Ol. oa. Ide fur the veto of the R-man oath-die his' so-e. Ile t wa,, a ropy,
sit an to e hich the government could not assent. ,At the
the excise of the army expenditure. mane time he must tele!, Viet both the fhinitr end present
On the vote of 69.9001 to complete the sum required for governments gave r xpleastions that ea felled a great number
the woks of the new houses of parliament,
Mr. HUME inquired whether that was all that would be of the bishops that educed. n mezli go me in the cell gee
with perfect security to the r. ligim s npen'rens of the Roman
equired, and when the new house would be ready,
catholic youth. Thephin of th- c Aleges wa. athlete which
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there ing hon senet.oned by sit act ei g ....ara.-at pre vems to their
did not immediately enneern the preeen• eovernso vet, him
were • number of contracts now pending, end at they ieter. ace, sin„ to ,opy,,. woo• misfit he tun oeo„.. memo of
these coil( gem it was et course. Imp-. ilde f. r him s e sty, but
fend wi b them they would have to pay forfeit. It was on
dentood, however, that no new arrangements should be en- be believed that they w re now looked upon with NVUILIa•
need into without the COnatet of the government. ble ten by a lathe renjority of the R. man catholic clergy
Mr. MUNTZ objected to the system of granting votes for and Lilt. Sir It. Kane, a eistiegui.hed vpostetteent of the
this purpose until they knew what the exact expense was late government, had interned him tsmt the number of
to be. pupils likely to he sent weul i bo issue'. greater them :.o had
Mr. HUME observed that the new cemmittee rooms were in the first instance autielp.ted. He (S•r It Karel bad re-
nnet inconvenient. It was extremely difficult to hear in ceived a vast number of letee ls fri mto mon aresecus to send
them, and the ventilation was bed. He presumed that the their eons to the college., and etho e-gorly inquind when
architect had made en application for additional remunera. they were likely to be opened. (II rr, tiear )
thin; but he trusted before that application was agreed to Mr. J. O'CONNELL again urged the postponement of
that the cerrespoudenee on the subject would be laid before the vote till Lest 'melon, in cedar that some -rrangemeot
the house, might be come to.
Mr. SPOONER objected to the system of deferring the Lord J. RUSSELL repeated his rpiruioa that the regula-
payment of these matters, when they were paying at the rate tions recently made o r tho directien to the mh ws would
of 15 to r cent. for such delay. If An country wire in that obviate the main objereion et the It-nose ce-holie clergy,
flourishing state which the Chancellor of the Beth, quer had and enable youth of dirt rent re !Lou, 'spielers. to receive 's'
pointed cut the other evening, why should they not go into CAIIIIIOII ali entry and scieutific education.
the market and borrow the mcsseary funds to enable them Mr. LAW objected to the vote us being in men of the
to complete the building sat once.
sum originally
Mr. HUDIE said that there were two objects which they contensptste d by the net of neelianant.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. said that
ought to have in siew—economy and accommodoti in. The
e they would
sum paid for the temporary eceonsmodation of the house bait cot hen been justified io oe.pli one ti sum o pc-
celled in the sot for any but the spinifi ii purl one. 'User,-
am••unted, within a few thousand pound., to the original es-
timate for both houses of parliament. lie put i to the ge- fore as the apparatus contenenlated by the present vote well
indispensable t, the opening of the Cele-MP, ;:. lend thought
vernment to make come sacrifice fur the convenieuce of it better to COote to rl • f -del l. I -pa lent. Ot Of au -to in Mill to carry
hon, members and ii r economy.
out what was Ur WI, I, tionabl their own oaten I in.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER maintained Mr. PLUbIPTRE elleapproreet of this commene..most of
that it was indiepensahly necessary to expend abet heel a system of conteug every year to p. filament for eddidomd
been expended fs-r temporary accommodation. lie hepea grants.
they would he able to get into the new house by the Lord J. RUSSELL said that Sir R. Kyle had informed
September followiug the next session.
Mr. EWART wisp something. to be done as to the tom- him that when the coll.'s., were ',roe oven d, the matricu-
lation tees would iv ep them in ha at hake and library apparatus.
mittee-rooms. The original sin, m regard to building the Mr. HENLEY ...Weed to know what were the 'Wane.
BOA homes, was the building them on the site of the old
picas that h of Ceti find the Roman catholic cl.olty.
houses. The houses were built for the accommodation of mem-
here but he had nut heard that the architect hail ever eon- L .rd J. RUSSELL Pales that they hail token place pew.
sultied any of the member.. There shouid be retiring rooms vious to hie enteti. gof and that, 'hers tore, hie know.
lec.ge of them was Obtained from tee put Le re-end.. He
to the committee remits, to as to obviate the inconvenience
now felt when the committee were about to divide. believed that a regulation it d been :made entitling the
Mr. GREENE said that two of the committee rooms had
Roman catholic youth to reside at the h.eus:a et persons
been fi ted up in compartments for the purpose of prevent-
licensed and approved of by their own cleriy.
ing the inconvenience of clearing the room. Mr. HUME wised to know how flitch of the original
Mr. EWART asked on what principle the new House of grant had he a experded,
Commons was to he ventilated ? The Hems/ of Lords was The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER read the
ventilated on the Barryan principle. Was the House of ant to tl.e sit et that t:•• 100,000/. was inoi. le 4 for the
building end forming of the college'. Be did not think
Commons to be ventilated on the Reidian principle ? The
committee rooms were not ventilated at alt. that pbelos phir upantus could have boe civet:2o44d.
.
Mr. GREENE rep'ied that the ventilation of the House of Mr HUME ceuld not ttederstend why the presidents
should have been apiniatei wlong te..to the erection of
Commons and the adjoining rooms was intrusted to Dr
Reid, and of the other parts of the building to Mr. Barry. the 'I'll"'
The arrangements as to the ventilation of the committee Lord J. RUSSELL said that the presidents had been 'p-
roems were not yet completed, pointed before Lis sec. Aim to lice. Tit, y hod had a great
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said that but session of pubisdeal of labour connected with the prilieeinsry orrengements.
Mr. HEYWOOD considered 12,0001. a very small sum to
ment he had moved for a return of what sums hou beam
ut ulles in work enl r. Front he had
voted, and what had been expended, on the beton of par-
p the
c received from Indee d hien hg ad r• 39011 tO 114... u
ythouutse that the col-
liament. They had now got another step as to whet would
leges in Cork and B lfast *ere in that emanation, but he was
be the probable coot of the houses, and it appeared that the
amount would be 2,043,0001. It was doubtful whether the:, Let ecr sanguine shout Gateway.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY ensnared 7.11 of the ceOlsgen, hot felt
were yet at the rod of the expenses. lie wished to get
that a great ce at must de team on t .e et me 0 of re ) eee..re.
an answer to the simple question, who were the pink s nails
responsible for this expenditure? It seemed th it the hen. Dr. POWER belie veil that as these colleen were sat
member for Lancaster had no power to regulate the ex- delled on the principle of the notional schods, there was
penditure. It there wee any real responsibily in the matter, every reasonable chane, rf their allCetill.
the treasury were the parties who should have previously in- Mr. HUME effete., o 4 h the hon. member opposite that
quired into theme matters, and taken come security ter the the payie g saleries to ten who had n Atting to do was a
completion of the works within a given amount. lie was matter f r consideration.
firmly persuaded that 2,013,000/. would nit cover the whole Mr. SPOONER obj -..ted to the am• mitt origieally fixed
cost. There was 497,0001. for fittings and furniture. Wine upon for the estabasloort ord carrying an of these colleges
security had the Chancellor of the Exchequer that more being exeeeded. It appeared that apart :rom the sem voted
than that sum would not be expended? The question he for establishing these colleg 1., 7,0001. a year bad been
wished to put to the Chancellor of the Exchequer was whe- eranted piece 1845 torearryiog tuna on, which MVP, as they
cher he could not appoint Pomo particular department of had not been brought into op. ratio,, bad net been expended.
the government to have an tifeetlYe control over the ex- Why not take th• mosey for the purpo.. now envoi from
pewees ? the surplus resulting from that grant ? lie should take the
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER quite sense of toe committee against the vote.
agreed with the hon. member that this matter had not been Lord J. RUSSELL admitted that a portion of the 7,00 W.
conducted in a very satisfactory way. It was carried on long a year emitted in 1815 (canned over is e .ose quoin of tho
before he had anything to do with it. A committee of the professes nut having been apaointcO ; mid if Oat fund
two houses had, frem time to time, exercised a sort of super. could be drawn open for the purchase of the necessary phi-
vision over the expenditure. The original estimate was losophical apparatus and lea k , there would lee no itecateiue
700 0001., not inclu ing the purchase of the land ; it was far this vote. Government. however, eon- i .er d that grant
little more than the carcase of the betiding. A committee made for a Trent pun, re, rend that' they had no power to
which sat in 1844 investigated this matter, and devote it to any other.
reported to the house that the additional expenditure Mr. SPOONER had understood that a bill for this par-
boil been incurred in objects not included in the original pose was to have been introduced.
estimate, and that the expenditure had not been extrevairaet. Loud J. RUSSELL bad stated that be meant to propose a
He had every reason to believe that the alterations which vote, and that the Secretary tor ,he Treasury would, he the
had been hitherto made had conduced to the cecvenienee mean time, lay the necessary paters on the LW-, which hail
and eeneral effect of the building. In conformity with the bee, done.
wish of the house, a commission was appointed for the par- Mr. G. BANKES warted to knew what security, if this
pose of exercising perpetual control and check over the
um were greeted, there was that a future government
any expense was expenditure. Beforeincurred, it was to 8 - . _
- ....... - -- end sek to -a further veto for the ses—

scion rate of 2e., and the Riga's.' rate of 6,1., the amount
was 75. 61. in the pound; but in fixing this amount, there
had been an utter oblivion of the large debts owing by va-
rious unions to merchants and others. It was true the hill
had sine. been altered, and power was now given to add
the debts to the amounts necessary to be raised for relief.
If this were JOllll the maximum, in some divisions, would he
14e instead of 71. 6d. ; and the emigration rate would still
further increase it. Hence it was evident there was, and
could be, no real maximum, and yet it was supposed that
eapqalis.s would be induced to purchase on such a guarantee
against indefinite burdens. In some 'teetotal division.,
by great exertion on the part of the landlords, the peasantry
had been employed, the tenantry kept from destitution, and
the whole body placed in a better cendition than before.
But the result of a union rate, in many such eases,
would necessarily be to involve the division in as
great distress as though their exertions had never been mode.
There never was such a verifies of priscip'.e—of everything
fair or just—such a total disregard for the equitable rights
of part as this bill manifested : why should the property
of one man be made reopons;ble for the debts of another?
Englishmen could net comprehend such a princirle as that,
bet it was precisely what this bill would effect. Such a
thing would not be eves attempted in any other country then
in Ireland, end he hoped it would not be sanctioned by their
lotdships. The rate-in-aid was an absolsteinjustice. It was OW
teary to common sense and "laity. If thi suggestions be had
made were not carried out in some shape or other, he should
feel it his duty to propose an amendment, that the rate in
aid should he rmited in point of time. He should, how-
ever, propose such an amendment only in the event of their
lordships negativing the other prepositions made. It was
utterly join •seide that the poor laws could be carried out in
Irelsad without additional burthens. The government who
had introduced the system were bound, in carmen fair-
ness and justice to that country, to which they
were responsible, as well as to this, to see that
the proper means were provided to carry out the measure.
They were bound to provide additional workhouse".
He disapproved totally of the ovate= of emiyre-
sten now going on in that country. They were losing the
land, the wit active and industrious of their people. The
present emigration wee only a result of the want of
a better system. It was injurious bemuse it was
draining the country of these who would be its
most useful and industrious inhabitants. Thousands were
having the country, it was true, but they were of the wrong
sem It might as well be said that a man bleeding to death
Gem an artery opened was safe and doing well, as to ray the
condition of Ireland was Fluly to he improved by the gyre=
of emigration going on. On the contrary, they were losing
their lifechlo d in Ireland; it was fast passing away
by the arteries opened by the present emigration
of which he complained. At the esme time he was
fully aware of the advantages of a well-regulated system.
It would he highly beneficial to our colonies as well as to
Ireland. In New South Wales they required not capital but
labour. He would recommend a less area of taxation. Memos!
erraordiwy delusions were created by this bill. It was
said it wield " individualise" responsibility. But the rat
in aid would have the effect of depriving people of the very
benefit contemplated by lessening the areas of taxation.
The very principle upon which be asked to have
the areas lessened compelled him to disapprove of the
rate in aid. The report which bad been laid on
their lordship.' table from the committee on the
general working of the poor-law (Ireland), and
on the state of the unions organised under it, eet forth the
accounts for 22 of these unions, with • p volition of 2,300,000.
Their liabilities for in-door and out-door relief amounted, i n
the segregate. to 464,0001.. and they had incurred deb's end
exotica s about 44,0001. Their rates, collections, and other
TOMMY to meet these demands, up to the date of the re-
turn, 14, a deficieneY of means to the extent, in round num-
bers, of "bout 600 0001. (Hear, beer.) There was another
- which the

tie
he s.id that the limit wee he be 2s. It mist wet be ewpreed
that that 2s. was to be called hr. He believed that in a
great many instances only a very naafi portion at that 2s.
would be called for to supply the deficiency. Bat be
was not prepared to say that even these two rates
put together would in all rises infallibly prove en adequate
remedy for the misery and poor rty of many parts of Ireland,
but he had strong hopes that they would prove amply tufa-
cient. At all events, if in the diapentations of Providence a
calamity too pmt even for the se should befall Ireland, and
if the rates were colleeted with the greatest diligence fre
every part of Ireland, she would he th.ii placed in a diffe-
rent position frwt that in which she steod hitherto, and
would be entitled to come before the imperial par-
liament and the world with th;liairoofs in her hand
of the 'senior's which she made to cope
with her misery and pwerty from her own resources.
St moth with regard to the two first clauses nt' the bill,
which he apprehended were the only clauses likely to excite
any leflAiediff.renee of opinion. The third dames was fee
the purpose of altering the claims frunded on residence. It
was found data three years residence in the electoral divi-
sion wee tee mach to require, and it was therefore now pro-
posed to give the party a claim on the electoral district,
where he had been behest usually resident. The next
singe was for the purport of adjusting the account,
which it bad been found diflieult to adjust, be-
" • believed

in er required by sa act tweed in th. With an. ..out.yeans
mien of her preweat Majesty, intituled, "An act to facelitate and en-
courage the granting of certain le re- for term. of Fairs in Miami,"
and the rchednles thereto. And provided lti.Po, dist it sisal not be
lawful for, and nothing herein costa tied shaft authorise or empower
any Incumbent to demlee or lease any paean of the pdebs fit and
elavenit nt to be built and improved upon tor the h ihitati.on and
residence of him and his suctemors, or wherein a hem*, of rem-knee
is already built, or shall hereafter be built, t r which dull lie .2
near or contiguous to such house s e butt, m t o be built, as to be con-
veniently mate use of for the some, or the baildini,, arden.. or
lands and appurtenances of any Muse ..f residence Already buolt, or
hereafter to be built, and necessary foe the amreni.nt ocean :non of
the same, but that every such team n•ot authori-ei or p emitted by
this act shall be absolutely null soul void to aft resent. and pewees
whatever; and It shall be lawful tor the or hellion of the
diocese, notwithstanding same, to etc eche all powers and jurinlie.
tines veeted in then respectively by any statute tar otherwise teeters
to the enforcing the building of heave of residence, and cb tiling the
sites there if, and the residence of 'be clergy on their binetlisis any.
thing herein to the conaury notwithstanding.
The clause was added to the bill.
Sir L. O'BRIEN expressed a hope that some provision
would be made for buildiest labourers' cottages.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL was ready to consider cry
clause to this purpose.
The hone resumed.
JUDGMENTS (IRELAND) BILL.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved the woad reading
et this bill, which was a measure in furtherance of the oh•
jests contemplated in the Encumbered Estates Bill. It
would he an imperfect course to free estates from their in.
'membrane's unless you prevented, as neatly as possible, the
neurrence of such incumbracces, and this .as the purpose
of the present bill, the scheme of .hich wee threef.A.l to
prevent the assignability of judgments in future; the
second object which he proposed to effect by means of the
bill was to prevent judemenra henceforward from i,. coming
a charge upon the land, except in cases where the land
should be in the hands of the sheriff; and the third ohj. et he
hoped to attain was to prevent receivers from being epeeinted
over estates by the holders of judgments under s certain
amount. With respect to the tint provision of the bill he
might allege as a reason for assenting to it the fact th .t at
present judgments of VO years date were at present
in force against landhold. 11, and these judgments ue..er the
present system constituted vested rights over the raw ale to
the prejudice of persons, actually in pos.ession of .he lend.
So that, when the possessor wished to sell his estate to pay
off the ineumbrances, it was not only necessary to hunt out
all those who had any collateral right of heirship to the pro-
perty, but also all the holders of judgments ; and the (x.
pense of doing this, which wee @women!, fell wholly on the
landowner, besides wh'ch the diffieulty attending the seer+
for claimants operated as a bar to a transfer of the land, and
prevented its sale. The bill was not intended to deal with exist-
ing judgments ; all it was intended to e fhct was to prevent
a recurrence of the evils at present existing in Ireland, and to
prevent in future judencrets from being assigned after a
stated period. In short, the obj et of the bill was to assien--
late laud in Ireland to stock. and to create difficulties in the
way of henceforward incumbering landed estates in Ireland.
The hon. member for Middl sex had, with the coesent and
approval of the government, moved for the appointment of
a select committee, for the purpose of inquiring into the sys-
tem o' appointing receivers to estates in Ireland. He (Sir J.
Regally) had postponed the introduction of the present mea-
sure until the committee had reported, and now that the
highly interesting and valuable reprt made by the committee
was on the table of the house, he had taken the earliest op-
portunity of bringing forward the measure which he had
framed far the pumfte of remedying the existirg evils. The
committee differed from him in some respects. He had
wished to put an end to the whole system of borrowing
money on judgments in Ireland, as whilst it existed he
thought it was impossible for the cultivation of the land to be
in a thriving condition. The committ e had thought it dan-
gerous to put a sudden end to "he system of borrowing
on the - of warrants of attorney secured en
_

would note me down and ask bur a further vote tot ,
purpose ? The noble hod should take the money from the
surplus he spoke ot, and not come for further grunts while
that surplus remained.
The committee divided—For the vote
Against it 2B-78
A vote of 65.5251. for cornllllsllfirt excite beyond Vie grant
for 1848, and one of 35,341. ter or.tuanco excess, were then
agreed to.
A grant of 500,000 i. for the like waiouot granted in 1848
or any preceding veer, was next n.oe ed.
Mr. HENLEY did not understand what this meant, and
asked for some explanatioa.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER obit:reed
that it was a mere tiirmal vote elwave greatsd in supply
and ways and means to cov.r odel monies. (A laugh.)
Mr. lIUME supposed it was all right, but could not un-
derstand it. (Laughter.) There should be a sp. cal: state-
ment of what the vote was tor.
The vote was then agreed to, and the house resumdl ; the
committee to sit eosin on Monday suet.
1111: COLONIAL (INLAND) POSTAGE BILL
I Passed ihroush committee.
Mr. HUME gave notice, for Monday, of a question as to
the pre-payment of c denial letters.
Mr. THORNELY wished to know if the co".tnirs were to
pay any portion of the expenses of the post office packets
which carried the letters ?
Mr. HATTER ebaerved that the bill referred only to
inland postage.
The till passed through committee, and the home re-
sumed.
HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICES (SALARIES.)
The report upon the solidi, s was e..nsideri el and agreed to.
HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICES BILL.
This bill passed through committee. To be committed
on Monday next.
PETTY BAG, &c., OFFICES AMENDMENT BILL.
This hilt passed through committee.
COMMONS INCLOSURE (No. 2) BILL.
This bill also passed through committee.
LUNATIC ASYLUMS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill pissed through committee.
LABOURING POOR AD)
BCT AMENDMENTILL. (IBS-
This bill passed through committee.
LAND IMPROVEMENT AMENDMENT ACT
(IRELAND) BILL.
This bill passed thurugh committee.
BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
CHAPELS OF EASE (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill, as amended, was considered and acre, tl to.
POOR RELIEF (CITIES AND BOROUGHS) BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
POOR LAW UNION CHARGES ACT AMENDMENT
BILL.
The House went into committee on this bill.
On clause 4,
Mr. FLOYER asked for some explanation as to the opera-
tion of the clause in those cases where the five years' si-
deuce of a pauper had been interrupter: by a sheet residence
in the wolkhiiuse as an in-door pauper.
Mr. BAINES said he thcitglit It most unjust that any
such accident should be held to interrupt the hecesaary five
years' residence; and on this account he had felt it desirable,
by this datum, to remove any doubt that migtit exist on the
subject. In casts where there had been a removal, previous
to the party gt,ing into the workhouse, it might be a question
whether the residence was continuous.
After a few words from Mr. HENLEY and the AT
ENERAL, the consideration of the clause was adjourned
"led, the chairman oh:aides leave to sit

.. greater .
he no amalgamation. The debt of Great Britain wee
460,000,0001., that of Ireland was only 28.000,0001.
The count. iii areore:ingly continued financially separated.
Troia while the income of Ireland compared with that of
England was oily as one to twelve, her portion of the
43,000,0001. of jo:r.t taxation was as one to eight, or
4,b00,000/. He vivito for a committee, therefore, if only
for a week, in oi,:er that it might have placed before it
par rs to prove these facts, and that the tame committee
might meet next year again and deal with them. If Ireland
were fairly traced, she might be made to pay double what
she paid now, or even to outstrip this country in press), city.
But she was unfairly and unjustly taxed. Alter referring
to various 'Wiriest details, the honourable member
concluded by asserting that the ii,.ancial treatment of Ire.
land had been as unmet as her social treatment, and the
effec's of the former were quite as obvious as were those
produced by the latter cause. He begged to move that a
select committee he appointed to inquire into the fiscal
relations between Great Britain and Ireland.
The ameoeinient having been seconded by Col. DUNNE,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
should not t low the hon. member through the figure. he
had stated, hut he would content bimetal with observing that
no good results would follow the appointment of a select
committee, end he certainly could net accede to such a pro-
position. He was always ready to grant such returns as were
necemary to show the fiscal relations between Ireland and
England, and it was by these returns alone that their true
state could be ascertained. He must, therefore, oppose the
amendment.
Major BLACKALL said that it was important to settle
the question and to pit an end to the taunts constantly
uttered en beth sides of the bows respecting the payment
to the imperial treasury made by Ireland, and, therefore be
should support the appointment of a select committee.
There was to truth in the statement that Ireland paid more
than her share of taxation, or that she was unfairly taxed.
Mr. W. FAGAN said it was no answer to the proposition
for the appointment of a *clad committee to be told by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer that the returns showed
suf-
fitiently the fiscal relations between Irelar d and Ee gland,
and, therefore, he should support the amendment of the hon.
member for Limerick.
The house was then about to divide on the amendment,
when—
Mr. HUME expressed a hope that his hon. friend would
not waste the time of the house.
Mr. F. FRENCH said that the hon. member for Limerick
was entitled to the inquiry for which he had moved, and he
should support him in his proposition.
Col. DUNNE expressed a hops that his bon. friend
would not divide the -house, but at the same time, if he did,
he should No., wish him.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said under the circumstances he
would not eivide.
The house then went into committee on supply, Mr.
BERNAL in the chair.
Sir It PEEL laid on the table the estimate 0(42,9521. for
the British Museum.
Mr. HUME said it was gratifying to observe that the
number of visitors to the Museum continued to increase He
was of opinion that the reading room might, with advan-
tage, be more accessible ; at the same time, he altogether
approved ef the vote, although it involved a large sum e•
money. Whilst on this subject he wished to say a few words
wit° regard to the National Gallery, and the pictures presented
bylff r.Vernon. That portion of the buil ding now devoted tithe
R lel Academy was only given to that body, until there
should be larger accommodation required for the National
Gallery. 'The space in the National Gallery was now not
adequate, and his belief was, that if more room was afforded
additional contributions would flow in, and that the whole
building would soon be filled. At the suss time, ho did

of tees sidesa. kw& the return was " no supplies
neetived ter *NW lIIMINSieIve days," whereas the utmost
meant that maid by peedbility be extracted by the officers
of the poor relief law duds, the whole of last year had been
but 18 nonl. • yet within the first six menthe of the current
year it had been attempted, of coarse in vain, and any fiarther
attempt at present would be equally vein to extract 10 0001
How was it possible, with facts like these before them. fer
parliament to anticipate the possibi'ity of collecting by a se.
neral rate 200.0001. in excess of the amount to which the
property of Ireland had been air ady assessed under the
expting law? Arum's, the payment, even, to be made of
the new rate from all the unions, there would still remain
this &fief,. nev,it will be pmumed, of 500,0001., to which he ho l
-averted. How was it proposed that that should be supplied ?
He again begged that noble lords would not allow themselves
to underrate the proximity or the character of the danger. thee
would be incurring by endeavouring to carry out the toile Pion
of the rate. Let them not. to get rid of the present presaure of
the q.testions they would have to determine, on going into
committee on this bill, fancy that they were not cell, d upon
to provide immediate remedies or precautions against theta
danger:. They might, for extmple, conceive that as He
harvest was near at hand, and there was an general an ex-
pectation of it proving a very sand one, the abundance which
would then be experieeced would supply a cure ford' the un-
happy and evil conditions under which the affair' of these
snifter especially to the present deficiency

money _ security
the land, and as he Sr. J. Wimilly) was not so well ac-
quainted with the working of the system as the hon. mem-
bers on the committee necessarily were, he had felt
dispneed to bow to their decision, and thinking it
of the utmost importance that the bill should pass during the
present session, he had consented to limit the operation of
the measure to judgments not exceeding 10'JJ., as wee sug-
Ceded by the committee, thinking it I.k-ly that at some
future period the necessity would be seen for putting a total
stop to the practice of raising money by means of judgments
on the security of land, as well in Ireland as in England, for
he was well satisfied that considerable evils had arisen order
ihe jadgment act recently passed for Eurland. He bad felt
the importance of not alarming the people of Inland as to
matters of this description, and had therefore morlifi -d hie
own views. He bad had the advant•ge on these poitre of
the advice and opinion of the learned memb, r for the tni-
verity of Dublin, whose candour and intelligence he felt it
to be his duty to state bad raised him to a most advanta-
geous position in that house—(hear)—and ho had piv n way
to that hon. and learned pentleman in a manner which he
bad not originally intended or contemplated doing. He was
happy to say thst the committee were unanimuney of opi-
nion that the system of assignable judgments should not any
longer be permitted to continue, and this was a very
important feature of the 'mutt bill. With respect to the
receivers he intended to confine the operation of the bill to

have the sanction of the communion. The state of the case
was this, there ware certain plans which had been
approved of by the joint committee of the two
houses or the committee of this house; those plans
were to he carried out, and care was to be taken that they
were not deviated from. He had no reason to expect any
deviation from the original plans of the builder, or from the
subsequent plans.
Mr. SPOUNER asked the bon. member for Lancaster,
who had devoted so much time to this commission, whether
the building would not be finished more economically by
finishing it more speedily ?
Mr. GREENE said it was obvious that the quicker it was
done the cheaper it would be done.
Mr. HUME did not understand what had fallen from the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. D.d be mean to say that the
origival plan was to be carried out with the excep-
tion of some alb ratio. s? Nothing was more distinctly
ascertained than the estimate was at first. When Mr.
Barry's plan was brought before the committee, as examine-
din took place. It was found that the estimate was very
defective, aod the committee postponed the matter for
several months, in order be allow a complete estimate to be
made, and it wu after the new plan was brought before the
committee that the amount of tee es' mates was fixed. Sir
Robert I'eel proposed a resolution that the artist was not
to be paid by a per oentage, but to be paid by a sum of
money. It was left for the Woods and Forests to decide
whether it about t be 20,0001. or 25,0001., and they di cid. d
on 25,0001. lie could tot imagine there could be any doubt
as to the contract, and that there was to be no claim for any
additional sum.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
the strictest economy was exercised by postponing such por-
-11 dons of the building as were nut absolutely necessary. The
estimate which had been laid upon the table was not an
estimate which had been at all sanctioned.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY considered that tobe the great
misfortune. lie understood the fact to be that the com-
mission whote duty it was to look over these matters was
under the control 01 the treasury, and that the treasury were
the really responsible minus. There was rather an ominous
sentence in this estimate. It end, " :elusive of the cost
of previous estimates proposed for warming and ventilating
the House of Commons." Then three came this doubtful
expression—" and all other incidental payments not under
the cognisance or control of the architect." These words—
" incidental pa)mcnts"—left a loophole for everything.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND aid that if the contract of
700,0001. was, as he understood from the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, merely for the carcase of the building, then that
was very intelligible. To imagine that it could be done for
700,0001. shows l them to be most incompetent judges of
bui ding. This war the common practice of the house; they
employed an individual as architect, and refused to
pay him the per tentage of his profession. This was
not the first time the house had defrauded these
whom they had employed. They did the same with Mr.
Brunel. They never gave him anything. The case of the
Baron de Bode was also one of great oppression.
Mr. HUME said that the committee had come to a reso-
lution that the architect should not be psid by a percentage,
and he underto k the work on that understanding.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was a sum of 12,0001. to defray the expense
of the purchase of the necessary books, appernue, Menu-
mend, &c , required for the use of the professors is the
colleges established in Ireland under the Act 8 and 9 Vic.,
cap. 66.
Mr. HUME said that he had never seen any estimate of
this kind.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL thouht it would he infinitely better
to gm the money to the starving population of Ireland.

not swim in all .t h• observations which had heists made
with regard to the apartments in which the Vernon col-
lection was contained. (Hear, hear.) Ile did not wish to
inounvenienco the Royal Academy ; but, under the circum-
stances, he objected to additional buildings for the national
mot ks of art.
Lord J. RUSSELL assured the committee that the
subject hai not been lost eight of, and that next year, when
he should have had time to consider the report of the etlect
committee, be hoped to be able to lay some plan of a definite
nature before the house.
Mr. W. J. FOX wished to correct a mimstatement of his
hon. friend's, the member for biontroee. The number of
visitors to the g 1 nuriosities of the British Mum um had
certainly increased, but not at a rate commensurate with the
addittonal facilities of communicstion with all parts of the
country. In all other departments, the print.room, the read-
ing room, and the mulpture deportment, there had been a
regular decrease for several years.
Mr. BWART said it was distinctly understood that the
Royal Academy should resign the built:Jig in which their
painti gs were new eshibtted whenever the public re-
quired it.
Sir R. PEEL denied the statement of tha hon. member
opposite (Mr. Fes) w:th regard to the falling off in the num-
ber of visitors to the Museum. ea the aggregate there h.d
been a grea!Ainneas: In the • aodine efincteri,v; 1813

If they persisted, the diseentientelergy would do everything
in their power to impede the progress of the eolle,..es. All
they wanted was a little delay, in order that some menage.
anent mlght be come to. He objected, also, on the ground
that so few of the rrofesPon were to be Irishmen.
Mr. SPOONER also objected to the vote.
Mr. THORNELY wished to know when they would have
a report of the penress that had been made in the erection
of the colleges. He trusted that none of the professors would
be appointed until the colleges were nearly ready.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
that the 100,0001. specified in the act had been expended in
building and furnishing the c lieges, and that three of the m
wo old be opened in October. The annual expenditure would
date tr-m that period. He believed that the presiden,s bad
been appointed, but the professors would not be appointed
until wn.hin a reasonable time of the opening of the C aleges.
The present vote was for various literary and acientitic appa-
ratus not contemplated in the original grant.
Mr. SPOONER inquired what was to be done witk the
7,0001. annually.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—That
would only be applicable for the annual expenses and could
not be touched for the present purpose.
Mr. LAW asked was this 12,0001. in excess of the
100,0001. mentioned in the original act.

and the bona° mum.
again on Monday.
LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LANDS (IRELAND)
BILL.
The committee on this hill was postponed till Monday.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE (VANCOUVER'S
This bill was readiS
Monday. aL AseFsioln)
a)
time L L.i
to he committed on
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE ACT AMEND-
OnMEN T
the motion tbat the house should adjourn till Monday.
Lord D. STUART inquired when tbi. bill would be pro-
ceeded with, and being told that it was the first order for
Monday, said be should ohlect to the conapensc ion to the
officer, of the Palace Caurt being awarded by the lords of the
Itrey dry, and should athocate its being empideied by that
hirer. It was a monstrous enormity to propose to compen•
cite officers who bad already been abundantly compensated.
After a few w .rds from the Arroartkv-GENERAL, the
motion was agreed to.
The house adjourned at half past twelve o'clock,

CLOSE OF VIE SEcSlON.—lturncur about the
of Parliament fixes Tarasdly, the see( ad of

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tween the aldose sad electoral dltri;ines. Hi _ _ _.--01, wili filer'! mar. ,thee• WZre 51.7,1/00 visitors ; and in Chelatinu, 1848, Se7,ooft
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there would be no objection to this port of the bill. of taw for the relief of the poor, now presented them- rimiest debts not less than 1. In amount, and no -------- - - ~
inate.—
Th• 6th and 6.11 clauses related to the providing of selves:Z:7lW bones. He WY about tomtits them •Rain*t udgnient should henceforward be deemed 'charge upon the a wrease. In the prlr.t room als, an fa. I . The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER—Y! in Houses _
August, as the day on which the session as to terwlinate.—
additional workhouse in those onions which were to be too biritly indulging in these expeetationa. Let noble lords sad, unless the land was in the hands of the sheriff. But
a")77*"Pla fallir off, there s•, fat rat excess of the sum ori.inally specified.
`snsTo'f'd from 'l. _idirgusi°l", and As, also gave banal., roadtholottur of Mt...Rushton on keine.: of Irish pauperism es it was posiible, in contemplation of the effects of the bill then .."I"ff_. .11 were in ISO, 4,390 visitor?, Mr. PLUMPTRE asked if it were true that, government Evening paper.
in 1817, 4,412, and In 1848, 5,815. Mem.) Mr. F. O'CoNNoft dcear. a his intention, soon
elicit di I not gum at Willeats parueelsety in the south, for into Lirerprsoi. It was clear from that demount titatwbatever that there ought be a general nab It..r entering up indgnt nt •
haa received a protrst ►signed by a large por.ion of the Ro-
-etigsting tie eases of the penctus seeking for rater, 01,,,,,,nreit b• devised here for patting clown this iodus,Trish at the opening 01 the next term in. Dubl:nr he should restrict Mr. EWART said there had beta s follintr off in the man cathodic hormehy against these cntagges ; and if en, after a conference which is to be held in Is%,,,mLinghsm on the
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clatemo airiest kaportuwe and great difficulty, iogeoui, knew bow to defiler Saes. Tbe pelmets ease weer, tbe operation of all judgments to those which were already number of Nisitors to the .;.earling.roolo. In 184 d there were whether. &Meg ale , that they wars n:.jected to by a large oth of August, to retire from public tiff...
did not expect they would give ries to any position. he they would not claim relief, kr fear that eireumatimen completed PrtTiOnS to th'e Pasting or the bill. (Heel.) 71....G° visitor, add la 1:348 only 05,000, a falling off of portion of the lingual people, he russet to persist in their Mr. O'CONNELL intends, it is said, to try his sul-
slams pentad fl that whisk had should subject them to be seat bask to Ireland, pat, in the It the Maui Aiwa sires in the Tie" b/ had 0,000. esteldishaiesit. OM at the Irish bar, commencing with nett term.

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