The Express.
London, England, 1865-05-31 00:00:00

'NOG,. MAY 31, 1865

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this chasm this the Pops heel his **What eill. to as attempt Os einem the lighbithes, and iliss to foster- meats of be MIMI whether h' wow member was really the rapreeesitative of 900,000 English .b• referred Stens etre& out, the • lit ta- - - "'en
lessees.* of thee* historical Roman catholies • sad surely if those 900,000 persona had ! would comsat to the remnactinent le his form— Ple. rash et
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by ism Da. ethicathethal &scads, which was fol. leg • spirit which maimed moessary for loog periods to- in them who did sot
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eohesioess taken by the elem. they IM' 711TiCheim asked to repel/late theta Worms doetthnee members wore altered is 1848, roam impair, bed Men made • parliamentary imputation upon his beggar. Besides, so ! (Ni, no.) If Maid not receive a satieferam cii!-----.ttei,..
ought sot to take time facie into ochtlaarettee• he *vela ehel, that all they ther° to do was thi6i either by goverment Or by • sionsmitem of this beam or two perms. were agreed se to what the calla meant. : gasohol' he should, though reluctantly, feel hte --7
a the Not only were there differences
the oath altogether, but his mare thsek that they more Mete to
_set in the seine spirts the other home into the memst eireiumilawas of opiates amoopt Roman ' duty to vote spinet the amendoisat. (Heir behe ) kit hi
Re did not wish to sweep sooty
proposed the imam from the chines " loth °r °eight t° .88 the r" body ei the Bele" althea", la this oountry, Ronson catholic body is this mantry, as these elfeelnlMMOlle catholic*, bat ems ptieteetacts had set made up their sisal RA HOESNAN said that the speech witteb ehin• kid
by the MONA ermaisatios or athimpta at about it. He rarolleetod that is 1844 or 1845 Lord Derby, just beard from the right boo. gentlemen who had Jut!' "'„,„
Mss ei-thel poser of lethedletios bad,
this realm," . mad is rams, and also it Spain, Irmo the propagators of were affected
ar ihosa:Zu bath or." Thom wards bad, be believed, ' those 'hams doetraies were elected from their organ coder the hietareby sowassted sad appolated to replying to Hr. Streit, reed the oath in • wiry totems . down marinated to Dottie' mom than this, that mitheeee -
assimiall the difficulty which had tabled. yin that one nary. He ciould sot ustlerstosd at Rome, and by recestosenreasmo spas theeontimist, sod tom, and said that so am amid doubt what that meant. I having bees advancing for a mush muster of - --"h .
by the racter el those who wore *eel ia authority • Aad yet by has side mat bit Robert
*rite views about it. An Pild'oeth who
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zed oilaN VILLE saggested the poslipmensest el the r in. my Walt to •soy boo. manlier of that house •
timed t. se I wee &arable then ilia bill should io down to dealers Oat he !mediated the &draw width had boa; ' theme oohs
Roams eistbolks? He bed heard h meld, sad is- Wally
to the oils boom of parlament curtly renresentiog the isepadisted by the pepocl itself. thictidhted at clarinet ' deed had mesa it written, this the Moreau of the rein's, ' vocal cou not but be rciardtd ss absolutely inazioraL which more sod more were growing the ea
mee:srtioes of the etimmisetoo. Ile belev that my times by every Roman catholic government is the world, by' orders of the thew, the mooted° warm to whisk he sews He most deeply regyetted that 100 hon. members Do the end affection of the people of this cotiotry, he ~teee
alterative of the oath of supremacy Amid formedhires IR the members of the
the cotholia church whose tow ! tinar ego called the *Meshes of the haute, ass • 'attar opposite side of the bones bad declared they would net to know whether his right
ova hon. hind writde•-""
of • separate bill, applicable not to one particular clam but 1 duet commended hod! to the respect and eduairstioe of I totally irrelevant to the matter now Were the home. (Hear.) relieve Roman mambos from the meeie sooseleot eod eloseot to make e e.t.d.
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to all permed MMus the oath. Obriltiaal threegbalit lb* woad, of whatever dmossinstion. . Sir Jolts Grey is his speech at Dahill said the shames melees homiletics@ Oil their ohmmeter and senduct. ties sad diesbilitlat-Aith bad t the yew.
Lord ST. LEONARDO apprised the ameadment ea mach He hid nis desire to perpetrate an loisthice. He merely! is the set d 1829 proseriptme et the ssosestle orders were (Cheers.) passed from,
swam book van ego. (Cries of "No, so." sad
"mho, Emma then shoes stated by the noble tarl. The asked the Roman catholic luesthess of that house to aware I painful to the Pest loiod of PM Robert Peele ..°6l_°°.werth, 1 sir J. PAKINOTON said this was a itteestioh which was He supreme! his sinews regret that test tibia oh.
right rev. prelate proposed to strike out two very Moment them, at that table, that they would act in the Slime spirit of the cootieestal knowledge sf the Link 0, wellicitcnn not to be settled by bard words. (User Mar.) Ts the fast as • rumour-that some satisfactory settlement of theleillal4
words, bat they betipeshd th be th• pith, inthetame. sad as their Roman catholic anceetres. who costa:molly re- Bat what did the Duke of Welllsitnn 0,7 °° the euee I plam he deeply remitted the thoe, awl M. matehselb which ilea by an tto take Me ocna lb, 1,..=
• '''' "NI levelhd at all usurped premed these viscous principles,eree is Romeo catholic times April, 1829? He said, Worries to mossettriek "The . this reset was intreduesd. He thought the latimpt at mane to- bees found to be immactielarle,sl
• . . . . • . . .. . -Moe ii, - obeli attempts were made on measure which 1 row ropoth laarbereeptesee_.,
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marrnr of the Oath.—They wen .•
authority. and it ought to be podded; and abedonly
denied that so foreign potentate had soy power or lately
denied
within this realm. It ought not to les left bypothe-
tinily, as it would be by the mere words, " ought to
have. It was • settled matter of law, and did
not rest upon ,apposition. When they saw this
Pope clainsiog • tight to exercise jurisdiction within the!
realm, es was tb• ease when the kingdom wee parcelled out
by him, was theA • time to sweep away the landmarks by
which their liberties were onsened Meer, bear.) The
law declared, and all men were bound by it, that no foreign
potentate, pope or prince, bath or ought to line juris-
diction io this wintry, and b, that declaration they should
stand. (Hear, beer.)
The Bishop of LLAN BAH? said he had rather expressed
the eiroples of others than any he entertain• d himself. He
had so desire to disturb the unanimity of the house gene
rally, and he wonld, therefore, withdraw his ameudment.
On the motion of the BishoP of WINCHESTER the epee
ration of the set was exteoded to the isles& of Jersey,
Guernsey, Alderney and Sark, and to the Isle of Han.
The Earl of row Y 8 inquired whether the colonial clergy
would be bound be the sot.
The LORD CHANCELLOR replied that the tot would
out, grind to clergymen ordain& and exerci•ivg their
faoction within the products of the United Kingdom and
the Chinni Islands.
The report of amendments was then received and
agreed to.
The County Voters Registration Bill and the County of
Sussex Bill were respectively nod a third time sod passed.
Their lordships adjourned at 20 mieutes past 7 o'clock.

infers the whs. -...ecapes
the life M Qom"' petitioned the Pope to
withdraw him eauseariee who brought them iota odium
among their fellow oountryineo. He spoke in the sense of
those to el Romeo mambos who manifested through all
the trembles of the Stood Min their attaohnUot to their
unaley awl the freedom it guaranteed in opposition to
thawing mad dusitfal counted/ which, be said advisedly,
breeglit Charles L to his miserable death ; which brought
this nation to the orenrunaion of that crime ; which, as all
the world knew, Wooed James to adopt a policy as ie.
seffemble to the people of this country as the outlay of the
Neapolitan Bourbons who, in ociesequeinee of being influenced
by the same Jesuit advisers, were expelled by their people.
Par John Gray had asked if any one could show that any
sorties of Romeo catholic oidnious had brought a sovereign
to his grave et the hands of an outraged people, or teased
the deposition of a soundest. Let any mu who bad a
doubt upon the piton tun, to the history of the period of
troubles which preceded the death of Charles 1., and in-
form himself who were the advisors of that king, who ex-
ercised influence upon hint through his ooliappy Quota.
Let him ascertain aloe who were the advisers of James 11.
Who were they but the Jesuits, who, adding inmate exile,
with their characteristic ingratitude, defeated him as a fool.
He hod drawn the attention of the house to these events.
bemuse, males the poem:4er' of the bill could show that
the opinions against which this oath was directed bed
ceased to be operative, sad were repudiated by the papacy,.
no ere bad bum made out in favour of the house's not re-
quiring Its Boman catholic members to disavow the *plaice
that the Pope possessed power to depose mid excommuei-
este soweseigne, to raise their nab:juts in lONA creek's against
them, sod to compass the death sovereigns. Look et the
rooms history of Poland. Would soy men deny, now
that the trials had taken place there, sow that
pedaloes were ealm sod
full ieformatioe was
in the bands of the Reads* government, that the bloody
insurrection io Poland, and the murders perpetrated by the
so-called National Governmeet, and the use of poisoned
weapons, was the work of thee altramontane faction, which,
he was haply to say, had received no countensuce and
support from the Papal chair. With regard to Ireland, no
one mild have watched the prooeedinp.in that country of
late years—the repeated attempts at sgitatiou and the use
of seditious language--without using that smoog • ell-
eerily of the Roman catholic body there—and be thanked
God they were a minority—there still existed this virus,
which the oath they were now asked to abendue required
ROOM catholic members of the house to promise they
scald repro's. Why, the repression of these vile epistle's—
for be called them vile—was a teak which Roma esthetics
should be proud of instead of looking upon it es an Cult.
The repreasion of thee" opinioos was essential to the freedom
of the Roman catholic body itself. Unfortunately they met
with too much satiation et Rome. Let them look at the
Ipamphlet receutly published by the Duke de Persigoy, is
which be said that the pity now dominant at Rouse
was entirely deems to the form of government in
Fiance, and condemned all forms of government not subject
to the immediate control and influence of the Papacy as
revolutionary. That was the spirit which had actuated and
justified brigandage in Italy, and which was at this moment
shedding blood by assassination. And while this spirit had
too much influence at preempt at the papal court, it was
not for the freedom of oar Roman catholic fellow subjects
that they should remove the counteractiog inflames
under which they lived, or that they should receive
them as members in that hones except as oppro
cents of those Jesuit opinions and that ultramootami
virus which they were informed by the Duke de Persiguy
and every echo reliable authority were dominant in Italy.
He hoped the liberal members of the house would excuse
him for stating that not very long since there had bean as
admission on the part of a very influential organ of liberal
opinions that iustead of reeeot event justifying the alma-
, &lowest of these last securities, there was great doubt
whether with a view to the real freedom of oar Roma&
catholic fellow subjects we bad not gone already too far is
Iremoving thou restrictions to their actions which were
in fact, a protection to them against influence to whisk we
I would not wish to see them exposed. He spoke the opi-
11b0s of those who could not be accused of bigotry uwa
this subject. It was the fashion In former days to say that
he wad addicted by a spirit of bigotry. 1. Zio, no," aed
" Hear, beer.") He rejoiced to say that that impression
had now worn out, and that the Roman catholic members
of that house, though be did not expect them to avow it,
would recogoise this feet, that if he were •
I strong protestant it was because be wee a deter-
mined catholic—a catholic, by conviction and faith.
ilt was because be would resist that spirit which had cor-
rupted and debased the church of Rome, it was because he
would resist that which be regarded heretical, schismatic,
I and corrupt that betook the part he now did in defending
'the constitution of this country, which was still founded on
the catholic priaciples whirl" were developed in Magus
Charts, and foetid expression in the socket laws of Rioliard
IL, vindicatiog to Roman catholic& of this country the
right to regulate their own church worship, accepting
only the spiritual advice of the papacy, but rejecting
every attempt to sauce the temporal Wit.
plltiooll of that see. He would icon' the fol-
lowing panne from an article written in 1859 :—" It'
is only due to the memory of men who underwent math
obloquy for the time, and wore even treated with • peeulidr
sod galling kind of contempt not usual in political warfare,
to as ourselves, after an experience of just 30 years, which
side was in the right. Have the results been in accordance
with the sanguine aaticipatioos of Canning, of Mackintosh,
of Grey, hod of Brougham ; or ham the measure turned out
as predicted by Lord Eldon —` that hater of ell that was
liberal and plement, and by Lord Winehilsea, at whose
tirades we have all laughed so heartily. There is, unhap-
pily, no doubt about it, the genius, the liberality, and the
eloquence were wrong; the narrowness, the bigotry, and the
prejudice were right. Ever since the day of deliverance
the conduct of Roman catholic' has more and more con.
firmed the predictions of their 'poetics, more and more dn.
appointed the anticipations of their (needs. Let any one
read the speech of Dr. Moriarty at Killarney, or the dis-
graceful scene which occurred at the meeting io Cork, and
then ask himself whether suck things are the reseh of
British institutions, and whether he can recognise ta them
any one of thou characteristics which, in spite of all their
political differences, distinguish Englishmen from the rest
of mankind. Where but in a Roman catholic meet-
presided over by a bishop, sod ' by

of tM sottissiant _ _ _ .00st
was likely to lead to the revival of hostile feelings
between members of the protestant and Roman catholic
communities in this couotry and in Ireland. (Hear, bear.)
Such a question es this ought to he discussed with the ut-
most alarms and in a spirit of justice to both parties. In
the next place, if such a manure as this was to be intro-
idnited at all, it ought in his opinion to be brought forward
on the authority and with the sanction of her Majesty's
governmat. (Hear, hear.) Whether the change was a
gegeod or a bad change there was no doubt it was a most
impottant change, and he regretted to see the bill in the
private bands of as hop. mealier, although of so dish.-
geisha a member of the house r the right hon. gentleman
the member for Limerick. He farther thought that the
Iright boa. gentleman, If be introduced such a measure as
this at all, should have dose so at au
earlier period of the session. (Hear, base.) When he (Sir
J. Pakiogton) asked the right hon. gentlemen to postpone
this dismission in consequence of the Blew of his right hoe.
friend (Mr. Memel% the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Man-
sell) and, ad said with truth, that be could not afford to
span a heels day, as the session wee so far ideated.
Now he (Sir J. Pakiegtoo), whilst be admitted the truth of
the excuse, thought it was a state of things much to be re-
gretted. llama* further say, he most sincerely regretted
' that such a question as this should be forced upon the house
on the eve of a general election. (Chars from mioiste-
' rialist benches below the gangway.) He thought be un-
derstood those cheers better than hon. members asderatood
the spirit in which he had spoken. He believed it was
impossible to discuss this question at this mo-
tweet without reference to the medal wishes of
each constituency. He wee, indeed, perfectly on-
Woes a the generous spirit in which this quotas bad
boos discussed on the former cordon and in expressing, his
own views berth no isteutioo of departing from that spirit.
But the question was whether this wee •tinie when we ought
to abandon the securities of 1829. What was Sir R. Peel's
uniform language on this point! Although he was animated
by the most generous helloes towards all oleoses of his
fellow-oouutry men, be always treated this settlermot of the
catholic question as fleal—(bear, hea)—aid not to be dis-
turbed by subsequent relaxation. Now what was the coo.
statutia of the Roman catholic oath ! It might be divided
into several parts, but its object might be fairly described as
being a single one, namely, that whoa the Roman catholic.
were admitted to the full privileges of the British constitu-
tion, when their disabilities wire removed, this condition
was ed to their liberation, that they should not era.
err the °meditations' powers which the Emancipation Ad I
confined ape's them tour hi*, of protestant institutions.
(Hear.) That he believed was a fair determine( the prim&
al objects which the oath sought to enforce. Acid had the
oath that effect? They basil recogniadovwrandover away
is that base, the honourable conduct of Roman catholict
in adhering to the spirit of the oath they had takes. St
was willing to believe that in every instates the bower a
Roman esthetics had bound them to °hareems of the ehlib
gabon thus imposed upon them. Then, might he not ask
were they at this moment to abrogate the security of thi
solemn and binding declaration! Could they do so withotth
exciting the alarm of protestants both in England and
? Would they not complain of the inertias
of the British paliament, who, whilst they
always treated Roman catholic* is the
liberal spirit, were apparently breaking down the
harriers of defence by which protestant inatitatinas
in England and Ireland were guarded. Very recently ea
attempt had hem made to undermine—he might say—the
protestant church in Ireland. (" Hear, hear " and "No,
I no.") What was going on at this moment in 6ublin •. His
right Inio. triad (Mr. Whiteside) had on a former occesioe'
I read a letter from the Secretary of the National Association,
in which it was admitted that the principles of the body
were to admit no compromise on the subject of the
Irish church establishment, but that they would
From
no effort for its overthrow. (Hear, hear)
From all be had heard, he (Sir J. Pakiogton) believed that
lUD association, framed under what auspices he would act'
say, was not supported by the most eolightenedmid Baal
of the Roman catholic body ; but he could not express too
'time! Ms regret at Sadie' the Roman eatholics of Ireland
taking up sit sggrestiveattitude egthist the protestant church
establishment in Ireland. What was the state of the public
miod on this subject! He believed there was no disposition
on the pert of any large session of the public to joie in an
attack upon the Irish church. It was true that the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer—(hear, bear)—had mule a speech
lately, from which it might be inferred that he was to be
enlisted among the enemies of the church of Irelaod, fat as
lest session he made a speech which induced radicilreforreers
to think be was to be numbered amoapt their ranks. How
far the right boo. gentleman might hereafter dun out any
of these prognostications it was tot for him (Sir J.'
Pakington) to say— (laughter)—but notwithstanding the
right hoc, gentleman's attack upon the Irish church, he
J. Pakington) confessed, he believed that no large potties
either of statesmen, of members of that house, or of the
public at large, were disposed to join in an attack on that
establithment (Hear, hear.) For thearetionsit appeared to
him that this was sot the armistice introducing this ma-
sure ; but as it had been brought forward, be must he
allowed to express his views on the question. Practically
he thought the Roman catholic Bath might be divided into
two portions—one, that part ithich was intended as a searity
for protestant institutions, which had been accepted se sash a
security by large Bombers of their fellow-oonutrymen. who I
were naturally grieved sod vexed to see the Hoag of Oat-
MOOS invited to dear, that security. Bat there was another
part of the oath, in his opinion of far lawimportance. as to
' which the Roman catholic gentry of England and Ireland
might not unressonably consider that it was an offence to
their creed. (Cries of "Hear, hear.") He was glad to
make this admission, because he could users the Roman
catholic members of the house, with the utmost
stneerity. that it was a most painful thing for him
to end himself in opposition to them in this matter.
He was broadly the advocate of religious liberty,
and of perfect religious toleration. (Several boo.
members--" Equality.") He repeated be was the advocate
of religions liberty sod religious toleration, and he might
refer, if it were necessary, to the corms he had takst, on
the Prior Minuters Sill—(bear, bear)—as showing the
sincerity of his convictions, when it was his =Water
to elder from his friends around him. (Hear, hear.) With
the leave of the house, them, he would point nut the press
he was ()rated la adopt—a aura whichhe

vent the increase of such - _
oppressioa toady individual, fed without injury J06111;3(1- y,
will (.dually pat an sad le those which have been already
formed. There is se men MOTO omminal than I am of the
absolute necessity of carrying into esecutioe that part of the
present measure which hes for its object the extmetion of
the monastic orders in this country. I entwine no doubt
whatever that if that part of *it measure be not carried
into execution your lordships will see this country tied Ife-
land inundated by Jesuits and regular monastic clergy with
the means of establishing thinning within her Majesty's
dominions." The Duke of Wellington evidently
did mot contemplate the Morgue of the isomeric
orders In Ear/hind and Ireland as likely to conduce to the
happiness of the Roman catholie body or to the welfare of
society. The house probably bad not forgotten theesidenne
which had ben printed as to the Mcrae. of these orders
within the United Kingdom. He asked then if this was
not a circumstance which should make them cautious how
they parted with any security against the abuse of the
papal power, which it was notorious it was the primary func-
tion of the regular clergy of the name of Rome to enforeal
Amy man who knew anything of the history of the Jesuits
knew that they were specially established to extend and to
toreros the temporal power of the Pope. Re was reading
in Bereft the other day an account of their early appear-
anoery in this country. It was in the time of Philip and
Ma, end the Jesuits went to Cardleal Pole. An be
would observe that he wished to speak with respect
of Cardinal Pole, for be believed that if it bed,
rested with him, the Jesuits would not have flourished
in this coustry as they did. And be was sure that the
eardizial stretched his power* is order to ratify the
settlement of property in this +vestry. The Jesuits wrote
to him sod testified their desires is an opposite sense, and
Cardinal Pole rejected their assistance. He seemed to think
of that body as Archbishop Brown of Dublin thought of
them, that they promised to be an element of disturbance'.
He (Mr. Wend/gide) appealed to the modern history of
Europe whether the judgment formed by then eeclesiestles
had not been vented to the letter. And let the house re-
member that it was spinet the doctrines specially promal-
pted by that order that the terms of the oath were di-
rected. The liberality of the bouts had removed almost
every restriction from the Romeo mauling, and in the
terms of this oath there renisised almost the only valid
security still *filth.' that the eaestitutien of this country
should be respected. He wished hoe. members would con-
sider for a moment what was the meaning of this oath.
Au oath was valuable as a security for the beauty of a
witness, inasmuch am it brought to burn his mind mum
Missions of the wrath of the Deity if be violated his word.
That was the operation of the oath ea the individual. In
addition to that it involved the penalty of perjury. Well,
but he set aside these two elements; he set aside the opera-
tion of the oath on the emiscince of the juror. Hs trusted,
sod he believed, that evert member who tonic the oath took
it with the Miseries to abide by the conditions of the cmik
but whether he did or whether be did not, great import-
&nes was rightly attached to theta's* of the oath at the
table. the terms of the oath abjuring the deputing power of
the Pepe and the sweetie, to defend the settlement of pro-
perty, itieinding the monestie property, the title to which.
remember, the Pops bad not coefirmed. Cerdidal Pole es-
pied that the Pops should ratify the settlement of pro-
perty, but Pope Julius died, and his successor, Mareellus,
Plainly declared to the arnbaseador of Philip and
Mary, that, so far from sanctioning the alinations
made by the parliament of this country, it was sacrilegious
for those who were possessed of the monastic property to
hold it. Thu might tell him that it did not matter whe-
ther the Pope bed seseticeed the title of the prawn pos.
sesame of the property or sot. it o .mprieed t be property
held by the great house of Bedford, the property be held
himself, and property distributed throughout the wintry,
amounting to nearly one quarter of the land in Fegbied ;
they might tell him that it did sot matter whether the
Pope eantioned the title or sot. And the right boo. mem.
bet for Limerick (Mr. Moneell) said there was no use of an
oath to defend the settlement of property which was held
to
Ireland. It might mot matter to a protestant whether
the Pope onefinned his title to his lands or Dot, but to a
Roman catholic it mattered much, became the mace
maintained, and he saw by the encyclical of the present
spa still maintained, that it was sacrilegious to bold
such property. And whenever the owner and of
such property, being a Roman catholic, oboe d come to
the near close of life when the bresth came bard, and the
eye was dim, the priest would be apt to remind him that
during his life he had sacrilegiously held property beloag-
ing to the church, and that he ought to make restitution.
It was the feeling that actuated the parliament of Queen
Mary—the very parliament which mutated to the recon-
ciliation of this country with the papacy—to pus a
stringent act which, in defiance of all Popes, should
establish, so far as the power of this country
could go, the title to this property as inalienable.
He saw no reason why the Roman catholic member. of the
house should ask to be relieved from the obligation not to
attempt the enhversion of the church in Ireland. At pre-
sent they stood pledged not to compass such an object ; but
it was well known that there was a considerable body of
men forming an association for that very purpose. In fact
as much bad been stated be Sir J. Gray, who was one of its
members ; and by the 37th proposition of the Encycli-
cal It was declared that no church should be considered
established that was separated from the see of Rome,
Such being the state of things, he thought they were justi-
fied in exacting the oath from all who admitted the autho-
rity of the Pepe that they would not use their influence at
members of parliament for the purpose of disturbing the
constitution of this country. If, on the other hand, boo.
members had no intention to ceroutemance any such plans
as those to which be bad been adverting, they mast feel it
a great nepwort to have recognise a couatenctieg power.
Jading from what was gulag
on in hely, from correspon-
dence received from France, and from the attitude of the
Emperor, he was satisfied that the great body of the Roman
catholic* must, in the present temper of the papacy, look to
the authority of the states wider which they
lived for protection against the adoption of what
be was happy to believe was alien from their
better judgment. For these reason he ventured
to move the postponement of the further progress of the ,
bill notil some inquiry had been made, similar to that
which preceded the alteration of the, oath which was
effected in Ifififi, and until her Majesty's government bad
"osittoc of their own e- • the

tlie talihi. .Tiaioely comfort ;as tiait they We ---hr.,,,-,-
&boat • wholesome sod desirable clump in the sepi.- —;
parliament, which he hoped would serer made fregag
principle which they had deliberately established. mil
oath had been treated m • grimace 'e.g..
Homan eatholice only, but it wee a ppml7Z
which effected protestants equally with Awe
(Athena. (Hem, hear.) The right has. peke,
dwelt upon the oath as being • compact end a aeon* le
protestant.. Where did that security exist? What sty
nature of the compact? Every act of parliament Vag
settlement of a question and was the law till it el-,
repealed bye subsequent set of the legialatere, and an&
more war this oath ? (Hear, bear.) As to its brine a .7..
pact, it might be said that two independent and cupid
Parties meld eater into suchnad.ench en agreement, hr i
compact between a government and a portion of its sabppa
was nothing men tkem the law of a strong majority is.
posed upon a weaker minority, which the weaker nip
would not fall to reverse when the relative strength el oi
two parries was changed, either by an increase of NW"
cc by as meessioe of badman, or the glowing gm
path, of public, ophrion. (Cheers.) The right hoe. patio.
man aid that the Act ef Emancipation eatablished, sad me
intended to establish, equality between Ronan catheithapi
protestant.. He thanked the right hoe. gentleman for tan
amides. Now his objection to this oath en that it sit
hlished • distinction between the two in that beriseAkp
it made two classes of members—that while the oath,
declaration submitted to the protestant, the quaker, lip
Jaw, tuned upon the sesamptioe that his creed was 1111 r
sisthet with morality and allegiance, and invested lima
with the complete function of dealing with any emasian
submitted to parliament, the Roman catholic oath Mad
on the assumption that his creed was one which imethiff
immorality, and that it wee therefore dateable to rthalai
his power, to sinew his functions, and to exclude the
from that large and important branch of legislation thiala
wee recomdeed seder the title of eadesiastioth
bear.) In point of fact they knew that a large pall
the Roman cethelientembers feltthennelvesdebareed by
oath from disowning questions relating to the temporslithed
the established than& (Rear, ben.) But what non ffp
dissenters? (Hear, hear.) Why were they not called eels
take • similar oath? Had they not • formidable orgadie
tics for the express purpose of overthrowing the iambi*
meet. asd separating the church from the ante altegetbsej
They were straining every nerve to effect that separatise,
and yet no attempt was made to restrain them. (Rem
hear.) Why not apply the same principle to tbe Rome
estWlios which they applied to the diameters ? (Hue)
The more sincerely devoted a Roman catholic was to II
religion and church, the mote genre mast be hie Ashy le
convert the elate to his y
opinion and to eriallk
his church penefull and morally in the ekes of
that church which, in his *Pinion, had act at.
severed its purpose. (Hear, hear.) What nearby Min
did this ea* give? If the Roman catholic" were pethe
tut enough, they would repeal the oath and the law nhie
stood in the way of their superiority. The church eith
limbed was • amnion of the law ; the law was a deli d
opinion ; sod as opinion changed, the law mut deem
(" ilea; bear.")
lie was happy to lay that d hea
years there bad been snob • change of opinion m maid
them to follow a wiser sad more liberal policy rim bed
been pursued he former days. The time was whse %she
said that the meathen of the legislature should be d me
religion. &err wise end good man voted for the roped d
the laws which required suck uniformity, but the OM(
inthierthee ranted every improvement. At brat the Memel=
asked to be admitted. Hut it was said, " If you admit lie
diameters the thumb is in danger." The intellMime sad
justice of the country, however, admitted ther; Af
as interval the Homan catholic asked to be admlttii,
and lathier's', mimed another cry—" If you admit thole
man ethhollea, protestanthen will be eedasgend." lhe
the enlightened spirit mad justice of the cons*/ admhihil
the Rases eathence. The desecrate next, and asked le
e
be admitted. Intolerance "phi changed its ay, sad add—
" If you admit the Jews. you will unchristisain the
Were." (" Hee; hest," and laughter.) Bet the .
eased feeling of the coluiry, sad a more eaglet&
overcame the opposition, and the Jaw ins
mind to a seat in that bowie. (Ilearldmilieti
Thus, dissenters, Boman catholic; and Jews were
easoesstvely silage the walla ofd liament, and Doted&
standing the cry of indolence*, had each year tecems.
thrive irides°, that the institutions of the country wen Id
weakened hat threagthemd, and that the Fromm .d
Christianity wee sot retarded but accelerated by the ape&
cation of the Christian principles of charity and jurist
(Cheers.) Ouse more ea the present occasion the my el
intolerance was rained is a modified form, and they ewe
called on to perpetuate this vexatious, offensive, sad de
misting form- ad oath, the remnant of a dark age, whisk
was powerless as a security, though mischievous me II
Aimee and an offence. (Cheers.) So much from teas
Houma eathedie view of this question. But he
stood them to oppose this oath, which he MS
to be a grievance to him as a protestant.(Rear. 01
If he west into committee it would be for the purees,
voting for the ameedmeet of which notice had been give&—
that for revising all the oaths taken by member'. Ohm
bear.) His hos. friend opposite and himself took the pee
tenant oath, by which they swore that the Pope bed as
spiritaal jeriedierioe within the realm. Wee that tree?
Mr. ERR, who rose from the hindmost opposith•
bench, Mad out, " I think not," which was followed bf
great laughter.
Mr. HORBMAN—Was that oath which he, the bee.
member for North Warwickshire, in common with the
right hon. peatienam the member for the University d
Dublin. tea, in which they swore that the Pops bad la
spiritual jurudietioe within this realm, true?
Mr. WHITRBIDR— Yes. (Laughter.)
Mr. HORSMAN—But the boo. member for North tor`
wickshire could eat sa that, for he repeatedly w
of that spiritual jurisdiction, and warned tivenOrrid.
Cle.sing danger from It.
Mr. NRIVDROATE rose to explain. What I Mar IS,
that he hie by law no spiritual jurisdiction, and I ante
speak of the Meese, be exercises otherwise than 6E11140.
(`• Hmr bear," and laughter.)
Mr. BOWMAN knew that he was on feeder
bat whin lia bee. friend said that he swan the 4114
" by law" no spiritual jurisdiction within the n01m..110
it in words which were sot in the oath. (game
• oath i

HOIJSZ OF COM3lol7l3.—Trigavet, MAY 30.
The gram= took the chair a few minutes after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The following Bills were read a third time and passed :
Cheshire Lines l`raciefer,Chistirdeld, Newbold, sod Doestone
Rood, and the St. Philip and Jecieb's NSA (Bristol) Bills.
REFEREES ON PRIVATE BILLS.
Upon the motion of Colonel W. PATTEN . select cow
mimeo was appointed to Inquire Into the operstion of the
court of referees on private bills :—Oolooel Wilson Patten,
' Mr. Dodson, Mr. Sillier Gibson Mr. Lowe. Mr. Ed•
ward Pleydell Bouvet.* Lord Robert Omit, Lord Stanley,
Mr. higham, Mr. Schalefield, Mr. Woodd, Mr. Bonham
Castor, Mr. Ennis, Mr. Thompeoe, Mr. Clethorue Hardy,
sad Kr Jetts Shaky. Five to be the quorum.
GLASGOW AND NORTH-WRSTERN RAILWAY.
B.r J. FS/COURSON mowed that, the fliled.up bill deo°.
sited is the Private Biltolloe, as proposed to be amended,
and submitted to the committee on group 22, of railway
MIL, be referred to the examiners of petitions for private
bills, with iostructiou to examine and report whether the
standing orders of the house ha/ been complied with In
relation to the bell so amended sad proposed to be submitted
to the committee; and that all petitions complaioieg of
non-compliance with the standing orders, in relation to the
sdd ameoded bill, be referees/ to the examiner', with in-
stant:time to hem parties and their *genie ad 'Muses

thareapes.
Yr. BLACKBURN thought the hoe. and gallant
insintar wag tak!ag quite au unprecedented course. He

opposed the motion.
Mr. COCHRANE said the original bill was a perfectly
different bill to that lodged Let sight, and those parties
who were walla' to support a male line were oot willing to
support a partial Use. All they asked was that the lest bill
I should go before the examiners.
/gr. DODSON thought the motion prem►ture. No
alteration@ had yet decide
effected iu the hill, and it would be
for the cammithee to deckle whether the proposed alterations

wale advisable or sot.
The motion was then withdrawn.
ROMAN CATHOLIC OATH RILL.
On the order of the day for going into committee oa the
Romeo eutectic Oath Rill,
Mr. NEWDEGATE roes to move that the house would
upon that day six months resolve itself into such committee.'
The hon. member said that on the bast °coaster when this
bill was debated before the home he wee unable through
la-
disposition to offer any remarks upon it, be therefore trusted
they would now allow cum to irtible.ithlele ohtervationo to I
their eoulderatioe. lie confessed that with the exoeptionl
of the very able speech of the right hon. geutleman the mem-
ber for the University of Dublin (Mr. Whituide) it did sot
appear to him that any speaker on this bill bad entered late
the subject-matter of is with anything like the scope which
so wide • question demanded. It seemed to bite that the
house wee proceeding upon the motion of an individual
member, without previous inquiry, to deal with en esesobal
part of the sot of the 10th thugs 4th. This bill was the
tint attempt that had been sanctioned by the boos. to
make any grave or serious alteration of the compact of 1829.
He knew that attempts had been made to dispute that the
oath was the complement of the act of union. Any man
who would take the trouble to search the records of that
I bons* and the House of Lords, would find that that act was
preceded by a careful inquiry in 1825, and especially in
1825, when the whole subjtht-matter of the relations of
Roman catholic* to the papacy, and to the government of
this country, were carefully investigated. The act they
were now asked to disturb ma, therefore, baud on an ela-
borate *wry, the result of which, he was sorry to say,
bad been Wetted by subsequent experience to a very great
utast. ti4ll, there was grave inquiry before the act With
passed, and he thought they ought to inquire again before
proceeding to infringe that act. Now, two committees had
been apposeted to °moister the oaths taken by the members of
that house—one inlBsoand the other in 1858 ; but neither of
them went into the subject-matter of this particular oath.
Se strong was the feeling that this house was not to suffer
from any alteration of this oath that be would refer the
Horne Secretary and other members of the house to the
proceedings of thou committees, became they would find
that although they went into the oath taken by Protes-
tants, which was altered by the act of 1818, there was so
adequate inquiry into the subject of this oath, or sa to the
manner in which it ought td be altered. It appeared to
bins that the house was proceeding carelessly in this
maater,and if be wanted proof of that it was to be fend in the
notice paps" of that day. It was felt by every one that the
matter ought to be undertaken by the government upon their
respossibibty. (Hear, hear.) The government advised
them to go into committee upon that bill, but there was not
• single notice on the paper giving the slightest Indicatioa
of the alterations they proposed to sauctioo or the parts of
the bill they intended to reject Yet the Secretary of State
foe the Horne Department had announced that be was not
prepared to go the whole length of the bill. He (Mr. New-
degate) felt justified in resisting the further progress of the
measure until the government should show to the house the
gruel end favour of stating ie some form or other the
coarse they really meant to adopt when the house went
iota committee. This subject had on previous occasions
been brought before the house. In 1857 Mr. Deasy pro-
posed to adapt the oath which WWI that suggested foe
the admission of Jews to the convenience of the
Roman catholic', and what was the determination
manifested by the house on that occasion! There were
then preseat—namely, on the sth April, 1857-456 mem-
bers, of whom 373 opposed and 83 supported Mr. Deaey's
proposal, giving • majority of 290 spinet any alteration of
this oath. Apia, is 1858, the right hon. gentleman the
member for Xildere proposed an alteration of the oath in the
same wee as in this bill. There were present 411 mem-
bers, of whom 345 voted against the alteration and 66 in
favour of it, giving • majority of 279. They now came to
1865, with no apparent change of circumstances to justify
en alteration of this oath. On the contrary, there were
many cireatustanees occurring, not only in this country but
throughout the continent, which forbade their tampering with
it. They found that in a house of only 328 members, the
second reading of this bill was only passed by a majority of
56. Nothing had occurred since 1858 to iodate the right
hon. gentleman (Mr. Mansell) to introduce this hill, sad he
must he omitted to say that the proposal would have now
with better geese from any member who was not • Roma
catholic than from a gentleman who belonged to that per-
ausint (Hear.) This oath was adopt.ed u a compact of
good will me the part of the protestants of she Limited King-
dom towards their fellow subjects of the Romeo catholic
persuasion. and after such • manifestation of (eolith, and
after the removal of everything in the shape of peasi lees-
Litton affecting the latter, Romeo catholic members would
have appeared with better grace before the house
U they turd committed their cue and this pro-
posal to some protestant member, rather than ap-
pear before the house to claim that the engagements
under which they had entered it should be cancelled,
and at their owe suggestion. Let the house rerners-
I her that nos of the bitterest charges directed against it for
its conduct of late years had been this—that the House of
0002020•11 had °cadre:tad itself like • rich men's club—that
boo. members were careful to consult their own cosmetologists,
&ODIOUS to relieve themselves from everything which'hound
them to an Inoonveolest future, forgetful to • oertaio ex-
tent of the functions of the POW, which held a Imp
share of the imperial power is thin country, for-
getful that each member of the hones, had
entered upon hie duties boned by the obligation
of au oath metier' upon the most solemn term end wadi-
tiese—upos the conditions at that allegiance which a free
tendered I. a °aesthetics's! sovereign. He wished
tori alas that the interval between 1858, when the teat ate-
rake of the oaths was made. sad the present time, •
temper had been mehifested by certain Rowse eatholic
ecclesiastics and others which ought to warn them
relieving their representatives frost reciting at the MI
the house their abjuration of to of those visions doctriees
which, ha thanked God, be believed were sever sccepted by
the great body of the Romeo catholic of this censtry, bat
white. ttgaier Plot Ina Forgatodi modiAr dl

ing, _ _ _ hirenineA - -
deans and canons, could the name -of the Queen be placed some distinct opens
motive& with a bunti of disapprobation which rendered the paper ; for be held it to be the duty of her 'Majesty's
speaker inaudible from the very voices which yelled out a servants not to permit legislation in such a matter except
ruination to fight for the Pope ? From whom but a upon their own propose% or at least until the matter had
Roman catholic bishop could one bear it laid down that it received their most serious attention. (Neer, hear.)
was the duty of a constituency io these islands to exercise Mr. TRF,HERNE seconded the motion.
their influence os their representatives in order to induce Mr. GREGORY was extremely puzzled to surmise what I
the government of this country to put down a rebellion in the appoiotmest of Dr. Massing or his sermons, or the
a foreign state. not Oe any ground of public policy is which sinuses of the magmatic. orders, 031111 have to do with the
the interensof Eilland are concerned, but only bemoans that preposal before the house. Indeed he was at a lose Weeder- I
tyrannical sovereign was the head of their church, and stand what reasons had been alleged on a recent octanes to
they had, therefore a vested interest in perpetuating his have takesinto the lobby a hundred gentlemen missy of thee' 11
tyranny sod corruption. There Is no divided allegiance. as Irishmen, and twelve of them members of the late geweeu-1
was apprehended. The allegiance In wholly give to One emit, to vote against a measure of the commensal demise,
person, and nothing is left for the Queen but yells of die. and justice. It would, perhaps, he illiberal toattribute the,
aapppprmobatten and the accusation of having starved two opposition the hill had received to that spirit of Pliatimises
millions of her subjects." Non toss Mee verbs. Those words which led people to thank Providence that they were not
aPP•stud In a hints' orris in the year he had reentioped, as other moo. He would appeal to the boon whether
They most look a little at the eircumstsome of the Roman pearl oonteisions, whether to Roman catholic or to
catholic body in Eaglacid. The ecclesiastical thief of the die-enters, had not proved elements of strength rather the
telitdOardinal We ems was no more. He had been sue- of weakness to' the church— whether the Tithe Bill of 1832.
by the Rev. Dr. Maiming. Now what had been the the
i repeal of ministers' money more remedy, a4reitsiihn
charanevinice of that reverend person ? Had be show, legislatioe n favour of English nonconformists, had sot lain
scM to he a mom* catholic moderato oninioss f Ones nerd the rancour which used formerly to be mabilested to-
a clergyman of the church of England, did his °pistons seem wards the estebliehtnest S As to that part of the oath
to be temperate at al? Why, it had almost becomes maxim which related to the son.d.position of sovereigns,be bad bees
of Roman oatbolics that those who hail been recently WO. much struck with an expression of the Chancellor of the
vested to that comsouoioe were zealous and extravagant in Exchequer. The right hoe gentleman laid, " It does mein
their views. (" Hear," sod cheers.) In August, 1859, there to me most extraordioary to ask any one to say that be
appeared is the Tablet this declaration by Dr. Massing— thinks no Qom should be mindere& It is absurd, sad worse
1 ever there was a land in which work is to be done, and that. absurd, it is contumelious to ask a man to declare that
perhaps mach to be suffered"—speaking of those with whom be will not do a deed which the very Innen@ employed
he intended to act—" I shall not say too much if I say that shows to be one of the darkeet enormity. It le eskiog him
we bare to subjugate or subdue, to conquer and rule an to declare that he is not totally devoid of moral feeling."
imperial will. We have to do with a will which rules (Cheers.) The boo. gentleman (Mr. Newdegate) bed
throughout the world as the will of old Rome quoted medimvel writers sod schoolmen in favour of the
did. We have to hood or to break that will which nations assassination of kings. But were not similar sentiments ex.
acid kingdoms have fond invincible and inflexible. Were pressed by Knox and Buchanan amongst the preebyterians ;
heresy once conquered in England it would be conquered and did not Poyoet, • protestant Bishop. of Winchester,
throughout the world. All its lines meet here, and there- write that " the deposatlon of kings and the killing of
fore the "Church of God"—zoeanio the popish church— tyrants was most true, and just, and consonant with the
" must be gathered in its strength." Now he asked the Word of God ?" Besides, who was it that murdered Mary
house to oossider the meazdog and purport of these words. of Scotland, or Charles I. of England ? Who was it that
Last autumn Dr, Manning preachill • sermon on the open- deposed James II When boo, members doubted the
ing of a catholic) @honk is Leamington thoroughly in ac- allegiance of Roman catholic@ to their sovereign be would
oordarce with the oohing, published by him in 1859. It remind them of what happened when the Armada set sail
was published in the Lesetienow Courier, and DO coots- against Elizabeth, an eloommunicated Queen, the admiral's
diction of the report had been made. Dr. Manning bad galley beating a banner blessed by the Pope. Who emu-
been speaking of the church of which be is a member ; mended the fortes at Tilbury. but the venerable Iced
be said— 'The church of God is of divine creation, and rests Montague, attended by his son and crude= And who'
on divine rule." Aod mark the following words—" And is commanded the fleet which shut up the Armada, but Lord
administered by divine persoas." Re asked whether these Howard of Effingham ; both Roman cathodes. As to the
were sot extreme opinwes as to religions troth, upon which oath whist disturbing the existing settlement of property,
had been (maid Wes mischievous anitimptiose of which he believed hie right bon. friend the member foe
the Jesuiti had always bees the exponents in matters tem- Limerick, and many other Roman catholic gents.-
poral and spiritual ; and whether them wds. coupled with men, would suffer In much from any such
the expreestoos seed by Dr. Manning is 1859, were not disturbs's°, as any one. Although there were only
sußleteateo justify the more moderate Homan catholic, inch 11,00n,000 sores in all Indeed, the Wad which had at (lift-
ea this late Duke of Norfolk, the grandfather of the present rent times been (medicated amounted to 14,58,000. There
duke. sod Lord Beanmest (whose friendship, he was happy could thus be warmly any part of Ireland that had not
to say, he enjoyed), in the faille." of aneoyaste which they been emdiscated ; and the Romeo catholic proprietors were
experienced at the appeiatment of Dr. Manikinss to the . therefore se roach interested as any in keeping things as
imprimis control is matters etelesisetioal aoneeLed with ' they wort, Thee es regarded the oath against attempts to
their church, Bo asked say member of that house whether subvert tlie church establishment, he cOuld not conceive
it ems enrolment& foe these who canted then eye batik ! &Mang mem humiliating thau fee a he/meet MO members
angel Won 4•4 Jaw km ear agigia Skßiellea al 1101 $9 V. Ole bawls of le de lb mug% 2110 sfed bat. gia-

tied coarse .._ (prep, -'
Mr•i- -fur--if ---)
1-0-ok -
thought was the moat just and the mat onamiliatory to all his • Be• • orwita• the same -tin-
' parties. The Roman catholic oath might be divided howollsble friend, and be biww what
into four portions. Of these the right hum- howwwthl• friend meant to Weer, but he hr
able gentleman proposed to omit the fa sonmble friend wes just the person to ask ROOM
which it was &eland that the person who the oath twthollow I. _Ulm the weeds of an oath without my WWII'
renounced and abjured the opinion that princes exoommn. title Or albleval rewarvatioe. (Putt cheering.) That s:
nicated by the Pope might be doomed Or murdemd by their the &Sulky they ware io. He did not mean to ley
subjects, tic. He (Sir J. Pakingtoo) for one had no °bloc• they could be soused of swearing falsely. It was mud Ai
ties to omit theme words from the oath. He thought that was meant was legal Inti•diction but though others mutt
minima the existence of such • tenet as the above was aceept that soktios, it did not satisfy him. He confersi
canine an affront to Roman catholic gentlemen., and be was be took the oath under coercion, b"in" the altawch,.-1
willing to cosiest to the omission of these words. (Hear.) was excluias from that house What was ier
Then the right hon. gentleman proposed to make a change ioriwilotk• ? Iwielit7 was of two bi
ie what he might call the sewed portion of the oath, in which established by law and legality suffered by law. The
it was declared that the Pope bad sot, and ought not to have. member for Barth Warwickshire knew Dr. Ullathorse. Id
any spiritual or temporal jurisdictionwithin the realm, halaugh.)Wow Dr. Ullathorne bed jurisdiction whichPe ill
To that change be (Sir J. Pakingt) had no objection. exercised la Warwickshire ender the mandate of tb
Then same the third portion—" And Ido solemnly mime. His was not • spiriteal jurisdiction established by kw,"
e r!
testify, and declare, that I make this declaration in the the law did Dotdareto prouttatebite. Furthermore, the 1.1
plain and ordinary meaning of the words, and without any appointed bishops with territorial jurisdiction to Lrelesdi
evasion or mental reservation." Well, these words, be this Jurisdiction was recognised by acts of parlisseset la
thought, might very naturally be deemed to be offensive. wittch, the bishopw••• .1•0010" d by tbeh,_,liiit
Whether or net it wee worth while to have raised • ooetro. awl those MU of earliammt were "maw"
versy respecting them, which had been at rest for 30 or 40 •by the crown. (Hear, bear.) It appsered to IZ
years, it wee not for him to say. But the question baring I therefore, bed to be very like elliwlntrl,,,to,_ the sedan'
beau pat, and parliament having been celled epos to say aye I°o Pi** " spiritual jurisdiction wwww cc.' &jag
or no to this particular paragraph. he rout code= if h. (Hear, War.) But whether that were so or sot, he .
lake
were a Roman catholic he should look upon the impositio• . feel it a great relief if be were never called upon to
•of such a deoluatior es au affront to a man of truth sad i "1,1..1t with, for tern and twist and argue it as t_,b•rm=
' honour. (Hear, hear.) He now came to the fourth part of . they Wok It in a Deere which bod iit it more w
the oath, and with regard to Met portion of it be could sot *Me of truth. (Hear hear.) All persons be believed um
bold the same leaguer. This portion of the oath might I agreed that alineosiary oaths were °bitten...6bl} ,thil
,• be divided into two parte. The fret part says, "I do swear i oaths of doubtful oonatutetion were immoral, and tnst,__fir
that I will defend to the utmost of my power the settlement ' strictly. oaths limitioe the (onetime of one elms sad Pm
of property within this realm as established by the laws,' • monopolyl to another must be uncoostitatiottaL
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I and the wooed—"l do hereby disclaim, disavow, and ' •Pinta In the hoses to go • step further 'germ
solemnly abjure any iateatios to subvert the present church to say that caw which implied • stigma "Y^
establishment as settled by law within this realm. sad I do oao Masi were li•Joat, impolitic, sod °Moore. Laogw,
Kama!r swear that I never will exercise any privilege to beer.) He wee ms •01.00•10 for One uniform oath. "" ..
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1 the protestant religion or protestant government in e earlea ri rreVittneeo simplicity. Meer. mu.) Be"', lire
United Kiogdoto." In the year 1841, Sir R. Peel in the to see no ea* t that of allegiance. (Hear, hear./ .---_,
coarse of a speech on the questios of thee. oaths, said he • was „•• ma which every Mee in the house could...._bih,__Am"-
thooght the noble lord (Result) acted wisely in sot disturb. www• "6" for al goorPo••• (Hear, beat.) Than 'P....me
OM the Roman catholic oath of 1829, se fez as ft ag the oaths was the best sad only security freed ace id.=
related to the security of the settlement of property. - bwitta. .thww• 11101r3 ,That oath IG( anisisat r""1
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After giving the most soxions consideration to the questiou takes by eemy ern would pet au es se equality and ....^
bow far it was possible to reconcile the views of the right them together in me great hoed of maimed 0101100h„......j,,
hos. gentlemen opposite, and the views of thine who bwotherbood• without digthieties of erect or sect' i'...---
thought that the oath should be maintained, he was die. Ho Weed with the hoe. and the right hoe. potions WI
pond to adopt the view of Sir R. Peel, and to my that be this rue littn ought to be brotight forward as tb•,___„,
weld not relax that pert of the oath which referred to the rdwliZ a„. h (Bear. bear.) Bit! ,the w""'„„1.1,,e,
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settlement of property, mid still less could be cooseet to 02,, . ..,_ 00 •• lb soo,_•d_its *ad,. to,_iedg• of Yoe. " ••",,,..„1---
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relax that part of It which referred to the security of the' (Bear.) shield,___•°••,____,..,_ ,____,w• glad if the ht,_,„w7i.„---bieis of
protestant institutions of the country. He was wry that masher or zAm•r". `"""'"'""°' '"" bill, ".....___Li'" "-- ---,„,, firth
the Roman catholic* sought to relax IA oath which woe the ' thClP•wwww•sh. It we. wet right that _4_
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serious for the protection of theirs. A dellbsyste estilemeat fore ha =at the dwwwwwlat ought ''
I marinade is 1819, sad he did ad think that the Rome celibo. things. was equally dictated y polinitha Piciha
nos might to seek to overturn it, or that • priguesell punts. Kiblero4
most ought to 'suede. These were the views with which be' Sir. H. CAIRNS—Ws, before we go to • divisico 0t...
appalooliall tie asatidalatioa at this aatailias. sad hi woes • this modes, I amid be glad, with the
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