The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-20 00:00:00

OUT-DOOR PAUPERS BILL.

The Earl of CARLISLE, In moving the second reading of
thia bill, said that as parishes under the new poor-law aet
could now send their children out of the precincts of their
jurisdiction to be maintained and educated, it was quite
memory that** buildings which weredevoted to their re-
ception should be under the efficient supervision of the poor
law commissioners, and of medical inspectors. (Hear.)
The bill was then read a second time.
POLISH REFUGEES.

The Earl of EOLINTON, in moving for a return of the
number of Polish refugees receiving allowances for subsist-
one and medical expenses between the 28th March, 1848,
and 20th March, 1849, specifying the amount received and
the nature of the diseases to the treatment of which such
rued cal expenses were incurred, said he believed he was
trenching upon a nice point—namely, a money question—
which was held to be peculiarly the province of another as-
sembly. He, however, trusted their lordships would forgive
him for their attention to what appeared to be an
Improper application of money. It appeared from the mis-
cellaneous estimates that there was a charge of 8,7001. for
the subaistenee of Polish refagess,! and medical expenses
incurred by them. There were also :charges for
Spanish refugees, Toulouse's and Corsican emigrants, and
AMMII6IIIII hryaliets. With reference to these recipients frem
the aseasnel hinds, he would rather see the money eared;
but still, In all their cases, It was expressly stated that it was
paid for military sonless rendered to this country, or for
sustained in the swim of this country ; but
not only did the Poise receive a large sum an
Dually from this country for doing nothing, but
there wen regular =Mica attendants paid in London
and at roremanth. rte vroeitl lug particularly allude to
the disease for which the services of the 1 attendants
had been required ; bat when the return was placed before
their lordships he thought they would see that a large por-
tke et them wen seals as he could not name to then lord-
ships. Now, if this country was rolling in wealth—if our
exchequer wee overflowing, and our agriculturists were
content—if would be very laudable to extend our charities to
neessehous foreigners ; bat the mane principle by which we
expended millions in putting down the slave trade, and then
encouraged the import of slave-grown sugar—by which also
we put down rebellion in Ireland, and then gave the Irish
money to purchase arms—on this principle, certainly, it
might be wise to give foreigners the means of contracting
disease in order that we might pay for their being
cured. The country, however, was starving—we were so
poor that it seemed to be expedient that the yeomanry
should not be drilled this year. He would not, however,
go through the various shifts to which we were obliged to
have recourse, in order to reduce our expenditure; but in
the midst of all this rigid economy the Polish refugees wen
receiving as much emistmos in this country as ever. A
great majority of the Polish refugees were lawless and tur-
bulent. Whether they looked to the barricade. of Paris, to
the rebellion in Husgary, or to the insurrection in Vienna,
they would find Poles always revelling in scenes of
anarchy and blood. In the present state of the Animas
of)his country be protested against the people being taxed
beyond what they could beer to support fon ignite who had
so claim on them ; and he trusted the noble marquis would
be able to inform their lordships that the grant* of which he
complained would be &mellowed is future. The noble earl
onanded by moving for the return ; and be also b to
sic whether the vresom to the Poles were tor ta-
inted
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said that, as for as the
Male of the noble earl misted to financial returns, there
could be no objection to it, neither was there any oexasion
for the noble earl to haven:Tien for moving for them,
because he was only ere • aa undoubted privilege in
doing so. As to the usurer which the money had been

applied, and the observations with which the noble earl bad
followed hie Motion, he bad, however, a few observations I.
en.ke. He was not prepared to say that such was the po-
verty exhting is this country at this moment (although -he
admitted that memo distress preveiled moo" the agecaitural
elutes) as to render it necessary that we should depart tam
the prise** of extending our sympathies with a liberal
hand to than who bad been. the objects of charity from the
other governments of Europe, and who had also receivid it
in this country from all previous administrations ; pill km
should he be inclined to concur in that part of the noble
earl's motion which would have a tendency to wound the
'winds of individuals. (Hear, hear.) The noble earl called
far the muses—

The Earl of EOLINTON—No ; the numbers.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE.—The noble earl tolled
for an account ofarriculer diseases under which individuals
had laboured. He objected to such a return—(hear, hear)
—because It could only be intended to convey as impreesha
unfavourable to those unfortunate people who bed received
the bounty of this country.
The Earl of EGLINTON wished to ascertain the chaste-
ter of the diseases gateway, but he did not wish to know
who had suffered from particular disease'.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was glad to hut that—
but he still objected to that part of the motion. The Polish
=r were driven from their country by arrest misfortune,
out of the destruction of a great national existeneve
but the merits of the question he would not
go then into, k r he did not look upon the 'alb-
jut in the spirit of party. (Hear. hear.) Amongst
those Polish refugees were men of noble lineage, of unMe-
rnished character, of undoubted worth—(hear, .htar)-"-and
when the noble earl spoke of instance' in which Poles lied
taken part with Usurpents elsewhere, it weald have wad
hie
.purpue better if he amid have furnished instances of
thew having misbehaved themselves in this country. (Heir,
hear.) That, however, was not the use ; and, as far as the
authorities' went, the argument applied the other way—
(hear, hear)—for it had • been proved that they were not in-
el nod to take part in any disturbances. The very affect of
this bounty had been to prevent their so engaging them-
Miele, for it had been a rah that if perms' re-
ceiving any portion of it left this country, they
Net all future claim to it. But because there
INN Poles who had taken part in insurrections in other
owantrise, were we to withhold relief from thews who had
set neismdseted themselves hero t (Hear, hear.) He had
bed massiss %knew many Poles residing in this country
who IMO peruse et integrity and honour ; and he did not
drink that the PAU refugees had in any degree forfeited
that beauty whisk it had been the feeling of parliament for
• groat many years to bestow upon them. After
a few Mbar ohosevations, which were very in
distinctly heard is the gallery, the noble marinik In
conclusion said that the subject had been attentively investi-
gated, and the greatest care would be taken In the adminis-
tration of the funds.
Lord STANLEY did net understand that his noble friend
behind him intended to check the flow of properly directed
charity, or deny the fact that among the refugee Poles were
men of the highest character; and he disk not 'uprose his
noble friend intended in the smallest degree, to interfere
with the charitable funds devoted to such people.
But he said that at all times it was incumbent
on the government, and more especially now—
although the noble marquis denied the general die
tree'—it was peculiarly necessary to see that such funds
were not improperly applied, and that too for the pur-
pose of preventing the people of this country from befog
indisposed to grant such funds. His noble friend Bud
alleged that the militant* which bad been given, to a con-
siderable extent, was not for relieving distress, but that it
applied to medical aid in cases arising out of profligacy
and vice. As there was nothing more desirable, on the one
hand, than to furnish medical asslst.nce for complaints aris-
ing out of poverty and distress—so on the tither,
there could not be a grower misapplication of charitable
funds, than that to which his noble friend alleged,
a portion of this money had been applied, and when appro-
priated to such a purpose it cured to be medical charity alto-
gether. After the assurance, however, of the noble marquis
that there was a desire to remedy any abuse which might
exist in the application of the funds, if he would undertake
that an investigation should take place, and proper checks
should be imposed, he should recommend his noble friend
not toyeess that part of his motion to which the noble mar-
quis objected.

- The kinds of LANSDOWNE tepeated the usuranea
which he had Deka* made.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the noble
earl was entitled to the thanks of their lordships for calling
attention to thesubject. Re had caused inquiries to be nude
into the oase of the Spanish refugees, in which there had
been great abuses. The Spanish refugees were, in fact, a dis-
grace to any country.

The Etri of EGIINTON, after what had taken plain,
would limit his motion in the way »commended by the
noble marquis, and he begged again to say that nothing was
further from his mind than a desire to individualise in the
motion which he at that submitted to their lordships.
The motion, as filtered, was then agreed to, and their lord-
ships adjourned at 6 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY, Meaca 19.
The firooxia took the chair at 4 o'clock.

PRIVATE MINUS.
SECOND READlNGS.—Blrkenbeed, Laneashire, and Cheshire
Junction Railway (power to sell or ham to the London and North
Western, the Charm and Holyhead, or the Shrewsbury and Cheater
Railway Computes, or to amalgamate therewith); Birmingham
Bcrougb (exemption from county rate, No. 1); Greenwich Markets
&Molion : Bills.
REPORTS CONSIDERED.—Darlington Gas and Water Compasy ;
EMIR Rates ; Penwell Second °tablet Ihrleya ; Bills.
MILD READlNG.—bunderland WworL Bill.

PUBLIC RUBINO&
PETIPIONB.—By Mr. DUNCAN from Dundee ; Mr. THORN&
LY. from Pittston, Mr. J. 'WILLIAM& hum several places in Wales.
for the settlement of national disputes by arbitration=rot war.—Bir 0. STRICKLAND, from Prestos, in favour of
arbitration instead of war.—Mr. MOGAN, from Dublin, for Octillion
of the privilep of exemptioa from mod erkloyed by members of
parliament.-111r. B. CRAWFOMIzr
s.con a plow in Uhler, for a law to
ertablish tenant right—Mr. from I‘..lFc.i (signed_by
7,000 person.), against the repeal of the na
DUNNE, from the grand Jury of the county of low, from inks.
bitanta of the isms county, and from other places, St the rate in
aid.—Mr. EWART, from a literary institution at , praying for
an inquiry into public litearies.—Lord WILTON, a place in
Ireland, against the ratetinsid.—Mr. SCIIOLEr lELD, from Aiming.
ham, for arbitration Instead of war, and for the separation of church
and state.—Mr. ACILIONBY, from two plows in Lancashire. own-
plainin of the mode of levying the county rate.—Mr. W. P. WOOD,
from Lfeantrd, for arbitration treaties.

NOTICES OF POTION.—Srara oy lasLann.—Mr. J. O'CONNELL.
as an amantbnent on the mottos of Major Blocked (which stands for
this day), to move, " That the disproportion existing between capital
and labour can only be effectually remedied by such measures as shell
encourage trade."
PRINTING' Ot PAILSAMICKTAIf Panne.—Mr. lIUME, this day to
move en instruction to the committee on printing to Inquire whether
the =Momentary papers of that house might not be printed in the
octavo form with convenience to the member and economy to the
country. Also, to move for a return, in condonation of • former one.
of petulant' sad half pay &Rowena's.
WINDSW Corr.—Lord DUNCAN, on an early day, to move for the
repeal of the window tax.
RETURNS ORDEFtED.—Ontheinotionotlfr.REYNOLDS, return
of the annual value of each benefice named In the return numbered 7
appendls 2, to the report from the Select Committee on Ministers.
Manny (Ireland), 1140, together with the amount of the annual tax to
which each sash bmelw was subject in the year 1844.—Copt. ARM.
DALL, return of the salary and emolument/ of each clerk of the
pace in Ireland, during the years 1847 and 1018, Mating each
yar
r=retivelylo74irth the several
the matters
each t for
paid or
fees have
bees emanded
the act of 4=ent cc authority under wteich it berth been
Or demanded, end up= what special account It bath been paid
deemed= ;• and the account of any sum presented off any county,
kw, te the Clerk of the Peace, fur rent of an office, regi=ation of
arms, porting or publishing notices of registration or lists of jurors.
I or any other rowan whatever, so es to set forth the whole receipts of
the several dikes et Clerks of the Peace, within each of the last two
years respectively. Awd a Idle return from each Clerk of the Crown
in Irelend, setting forth the whole receipts of the several offices of
Clerks of the Crown withia each of the laid two yaws respectively.—
Mr. RICE, return, showing the amount of money raised by the corpo-
ration of Newesetle.upon-Tyw on the security of the Tyne river dues,
ender the Acts of I Mc., e. 72, and / k I Vie., c. 71, sr either of
them, and shawl= the several and particular purpose to which the
said money has bees applied.
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LAND TAX.
Mr. WODEIIOUSE intimated that he should to-morrow
(this day) ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether the
government Intend to introduce any measure to remedy the
present inequalities of the land-tax, particularly with refer-
ence to the statement made by Mr. Wood, the chairman of
the Board of Excise, that the poor rates in agricultural dis-
tricts were higher in proportion than those in the mining
and manufacturing districts. Also whether the government
meant to submit any measure providing for a periodical
valuation of real property.

PRISON DISCIPLINE.
Mr. O'CONNOR said that to-marrow (this day) he should
put a question to the Home Secretary relative to the treat-
ment of Jobe Shaw, now moaned in Newgate for attending
seditious meetings, as to whether he bad been refused the
use of knife and fork, and also as to certain books which had
been refused him.
GREENWICH MARKETS REGULATION BILL.
On the motion of Admiral Dtaeoaa, this bill wan referred
to a maim committee.
BIRMINGHAM BOROUGH (iptardrxxors ram&
COUNTY RATES) No. 2, BILL.
Mr. Munn having moved the second reading of this bill,
Lord BROOKE opposed it ; Ent, on the private grounds
that the lunatic asylum and gaol of the count y of Warwick
would be of service to Birmingham, the bill being framed
upon the assumption that they would not; and secondly, on
the public ground that the bill would be altering the general
law of the land, and that, if exemption were right for Bir-
mingham, it ought to be acknowledged by a general mea-
sure, iscludthg other towns similarly circumstanced, and not
by a private bill. Thinking that it would be a bad precedent,
he moved that the bill be read a second time that day six
months.
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD defended the bill, and maintained
that the borough ought not to be made to pay for the county
asylum and gaol.
Sir G. GREY said that while be admitted that Bir-
mingham bad an equitable claim to exemption, he could not
consent to the second reading of the bill. No legal decision
bed yet been given tending to show that the borough of
Birmingham was liable to these rates, and the fact of •
claim being made was not in his opinion sufficient to justify
them in passing a bill to get rid of it. The proper course
would be for the borough to raise the question that the
claim made by the county was invalid.
Mr. SPOONER supported the bill but suggested its with-
drawal, if the opponents to it would consent to its being
sent to a committee, from which he would not shrink.
Mr. MUNTZ alluded to the almost unbearable amount of
rates already borne by the people of Birmingham, and
warned the right hon. baronet that if they
the peace of the borough might be disturbed.. -4. 'N.
Sir G. GREY merely thought that it was • , ,'• ~ A, _
no\
the law because a claim was made. Might no • , II- '4,:. le
meat be come to by which the levying of
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