The Express.
London, England, 1848-04-19 00:00:00

MPEI--tT----1 AL PARLIAMENT.

OF LORS.—TUNDAY, A.PRIL
The LORDHOUSE CRANORLLoIi.D took his seat at 6 o'clock.
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PRIVATE BURMESE.
SECOND READISO.P—UBDaw SINESB
wit's Divorce NIL
LIC BU.
1. —Crown and Government Security Bill,
`T.tOl2 RCONFILLVIDON Bli
WEIRD READiric”..--Iteinoval of Aliens; Lams of Mines are.
lead); Bills.
PEEITIONS.—By Lord RTASUBT, Lord Base rose, Ilarrinis Elmo-
A. 1.1101; Lord 8a0,911M, Marquis of 14...D0RN1, and the Marquis
of \Vamp:mu; from ea lofts. of Odd Fellows, praying that
they might be teralised.—Lord Baocon from the Earl of Dun.
donald, on the subject at the national defences, and praying that •
plan which he had invented by which hostile Beets and armaments
could be destroyed, might be incestigated by • commission to be ap-
pointed by the crown , and from several plum, in favour of sanitary
reform.
LORD BROUGHAM'S APPLICATION TO THE
FRBNCH GOVERNMENT.
Lord BROUGHAM, in presenting the petition from the
Earl of Dundonald on the national defences, took
occasion to state, with reference to his application
to the Provisional Government of France to be
naturalised in order that he might become a French
citizen, that his sole object u the protectibon of his
s
property in that country ; and, win desiring tobecome
French citizen he did not wish to divest himself of his
rights as a British subject. It must not, however, be sup-
posed that by this step he had shown any favour to the
French republic, or that his opinions as toe republican form
of government were at all meddled.
CROWN AND GOVERNMENT SECURITY BILL.
Messengers from the House of Commons brought up
this bill.

YIRRT REA

STATE OF DUBLIN.
Lord BEAUMONT wished to put a question to the noble
marquis (Lansdowne) with reference to a statement he
made last evening, when he had asserted that he did not
believe any training was taking place in Dublin. Ile (Lord
Beaumont), however, had received information of a very
different character, and ha wished to know if it was
correct, and should it be so what sups had been taken in
consequence ? The noble marquis had also yesterday stated
that the government of Ireland had most wisely availed
ascii of the offer of an association to aid in the preservation
of the piece, and that arms had been sent to be placed us
their hands. Now he wished to know if it was intended to
enrol the body in question, and, also, who they were !.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the house had the
means of judging of the society to which he had referred, ma
their offer and the answer of the Lord Lieutenant were both
in print. It was well known, however, that no such persons
could be armed without a formal authority from the crown.
He thought it most essential that no such arming should
take place without the authority of the Lord Lieutenant of
Ireland, and his lordship had conditionally availed himself
of the offer which had been made. When he stated that
arms had been sent over to Ireland, it was not with a view
of putting them at once into the hands of parties in question,
or of any particular body, but to add to the stock of
arms in Ireland, so as to enable the Lord Lieutenant,
if he thought at, to avail himself of the Girlie's
of the association who had offered their assistance.
With regard to the other point, he was glad his noble friend I
had called his attention t o it. He stated yesterday that if
there was any training going on it was not of so decisive and'
distinct a character as to authorise the Lord Lieutenant to I
put the act alluded to lest might in force; nevertheless he'
telt satisfied that if anything of the sort could be clearly
proved, the Lord Lieutenant would immediately put that
act in force ; and he was now able to state that proceedings
in ti.e nature of training to the use of arms had been dis-
covered a day or two since to be in pregresa in Dublin, and
bsiore the evening all the persons engaged in it had been
arrested (hear, hear) ; and any other society assembling for
the same purpose would be immediately proceeded against in
the same way. (Hear. hear.) It might be well to add that
under the provisions of the Dublin Police Act, firing at a
mask was illegal, and liable to punishment. (Hear.)
ELECI lON RECOGNISANCES BILL.
On the motion of Lord Moateainee this bill passed
thr'.ugh committee.
On the motion that the report be brought up,
Lord BROUGHAM proposed the following amendment;
That nothing in this act contained shall be of force, by
way of retrospective or Cr past facto law, to affect any vested
interest, or decide any question now pending before any
court or in either house of parliament "
Their lordships divided—Faain st ita the amendment 2l
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Lord MONTEAGLE complained that the noble and
learned lord had divided the house, after having stated that
it was not hie intention to do at, in consequence of which
several peers had left the house. If surprises of this sort
were to be practised on her Majesty's government, all ca
whom voted fur the noble and learned lord's amendment, he
should like to know how the public service was to be carried
on ? In neither house of parliament had he ever known an
instance of any such proceeding. If a faithful adherence to
an honourable understanding was not to he observed, and
when noble lords, acting on the belief that what was said
would be done, and what was asserted was true, hut left the
house on that understanding, he could only say that such a
proceeding was most unjus itiable, and would be productive
of much inconvenience to all parties. (Hear, hear.) He
would give notice that on to-morrow he would move the
house to reverse the decision to which it had just come.
Lord BROUGHAM said he never saw an instance of a
more complete want of recollection of what passed within the
last hour than his noble friend exhibited in his proper person
at that moment. (Laughter) The noble and learned lord
then explained that, in the first instance, he promised he
would take the division on the third reading, but in conse-
quence of a suggestion made by Ais noble and learned friend
opposite, be stated that he would move his amendment.
The Hail f MALMESBURY said he had solicited the
attendance of noble peers who were supporters of this bill,
but they left the house in consequence of the promise made
by the noble lord to him that he would not divide the house
on his amendment. The noble lard said he wished only to
record his opinion of the bill. (Hear, hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM had to give the most complete,
stringent, and peremptory denial to the statement of the
noble lord. (Order.) lie would not be called to order when
he was stating a tact He never said a word about not di-
viding ; what be had said was, that he would not debate the
question.
After a few words from Lord LANSDOWNE,
Tee Earl of MALMESBURY repeated his statement of
what had taken place between himself and the noble lord.
Lord BROUGHAM—Does the noble lord say that I said
I would not divide ? The noble earl would not screw him
self up to that.
After a few words from Earl GREY, the subject dropped.
The house adjourned at quarter-past seven o clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, APRIL 18.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BCSINESS.
SECOND READING. Birkenhead Docks Completion NIL
Act/AmendmentTHlß READlN.—Folkstone Waterworks eds Improve.
ment Price's Patent Candle Company;; Bills.
PETITION. —By en Ilos. Menace, from Ross.shir, against the
Scotch Entails .1351.—Sir R. BULNI'LIV, from an individual, against
the Public Health Bill; Lord Moaerra, from Southampton and
places in Manta, Surrey, and Susses, in favour of the bill.—Mr. Lona-
MART, (TOM Synods of lahutgow and Ayr, against the Schoolmasters
Land) Bill.—Mr. ANDIII.ON, from Kirkwall, against the exc.*.
NTS.—Sir De L. Lea., s, from rector, churchwardens, and others,
G.of
St. James's, Westrienster, against interment in totansMr.
Roar:nos, four petitions from WO/raiders in Al)oa, london, and
Poole, against the entire repeal of the navigation laws.—Capt.
PMNILI., from M. Phillips and others, of Brixton, in favour of the
allotment sywetn.
FIRST EDlNGS.—Bribery and Corruption at Elections; Sites
for Churches; Scotland) ; Attachment of Gouda (Ireland; ; Wilful
Damage; Bills.
SECOND HEADING —Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill.
OOMMlTTEE.—lndentnity Bill.
THIRD READlNGS.—kehequer Bills; Public Work. Completion
(Ireland) • Bills.
rioncks OF MOTION. —Cal ti reek L ESTA3LONMENTS.—Mr.
HORAN .0, on this day fortnight, to renew his motion on the subject
of cathedral eatablishments.
Re ElOl6O IN CHANCEIa IN lIELANP.—MT. 01130150, after Easter,
a motion respecting receivera In chancery in Ireland.
11.1,,T10NS .111 Dr.NNARK.--Mr. 1.11.111,1.1, to-morrow ,this day),
on motion for adjournment, to Salt attention to the state of the rela-
tions between Great Britain ands nmark.
laasti Cticacw.—Mr. Moosa, n early day after Easter, to move
fore committee on the subject of the Irish church.
RETURNS ORDERED. —On the motion qf CoL Sorroone, a
return of the names and number ot corntrussions of inquiry appointed
once the year Is 10.
RELIEF WORKS IN IRELAND.
The Earl of ARUNDEL and SURREY, in the absence
of the boo. member tor Limerick, a kill whether it was true I
that dismissals had taken place from these works, and
whetner the cause was misconduct on the part of individuals ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHECIL:EIt said dismis-
sals had taken place in consequence of tie ceuationnt 'forks;
but there were nizitngutations that he wa; aware of on the
character of the parties who had been dismissed.
PROTECTION ASSOCIATIONS IN IRELAND.
Mr HAMILTON observed that some s:alements had
been made in another place as to as-orations which had
been formed in Dublin and other parts of frelaad. He
asked for come information on the subject.
Sir G. GREY said tbere was some misapprehension as to
what took place elsewhere. He held in his hand a corre•
spondence betweer. the Lord Lieutenant and certain parties
in Dublin, from which it appeared that a meeting of well-
disposed persons having been held at Leinster -House, in
Dublin, on April 5, in order to form an organisation for the
protection of their lives, liberties, and properties, it was
agreed that the association should not sesame arms or ensigns
until the entire assent of the government had been obtained.
In reply to an address on the subject, the Lord Lieutenant
stated that as the evil-disposed made no secret of their de-
signs. the feelings which led to the address were not to be
won treed at, and that he felt convinced such association
would be most useful, and met with his entire approval.
He (Sir 0. Grey) need scarcely add that no armed associa-
tions were lawful unless the met with the direct sanct:on of
the crown, and that no suchy sanction had at the present time

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been given.
Mr. HUME said if anything could tend to do evil in a
country, it was arming one part a the population against
another.
Sir G. GREY said his object in the explanation was dis-
tinctly to state that no such intention was entertained. He
had distine•ly explained that no armed associations were
lawful without the express assent of the crown, abd that
such assent had in no instance been fiiren. The Lord Lieu-
tenant, in the correspondence which bad taken place,
approved the formation of associations, but gave no sanction
to their assuming arms or ensigns.
VAN DIEMEN'S LAND.
Mr. BOUVERIE asked when the papers lone since pro-
mised relative to this colony would he laid on the t .ble i
Mr. HAWES said no unnecessary delay should take place.
Matters were beikg arranged relative to the colony which
rendered it desirable to add —.wetting t the documents
already prepared.