The Express.
London, England, 1847-04-21 00:00:00

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COMMITTEE ON DIVORCE BILLS.
Mr. Hailer moved to nominate the following members a
avi millet committee on divorce bills ; —Mr. H syter, Mr.
Cupps, Mr. Burroughes, Mr. Tainted, Mr. Aldan, Sir J.'
Y. Buller, Mr. W. Patten, Mr. Evans, Mr. R Scott, Mr.
Watson' Mr. S. Wortley, L mid Courtenay, Mr. Pins'..
Mr. W.Laseelles, and Sir J. Pakington.—Agreed to.
• CROYDON GAlif BILL.
.• Mr. IREENE moved, "That the order made 11th ad
February last for referring the petition of the trustees of the
*lCaerei and Sussex roads, against the Croydon Commercial
(fat and Coke Bill, to the committee on the bill, he reed;
Mist the said order be discharged ; that the said petition be
withdrawn."—Agreed to.
igIIDDERSFIELD AND MANCHESTER RAILWAY.
Mr. B. DENISON moved, " That it be an instruction to
Ne examiner of petitions for private hills, that he do enter.
e the memorial of Mr. R. B. Wilma, agaiast the Hodder►
geld and Manchester R .ilway petition,tor edd ii limit provides,
notwithstanding that the same memonal was cot *posited
die the. private bill office within the time limited by the
Meridiem orders." The hon. member stated the the leseAea
tad arisen from the absence from home of the peti.ioner,
and his solicitor having no means of communicating with
hint.
Mr. GREENE opposed the motion, on the ground of the
Ituportance of a strict adherence to the standing orders.
Mr. AOLIONBY thought this was a ease in which the
role might be properly relaxed, otherwise great injustice
mould he dose.
Mr. HOI)OSON said it was merely a question whether
Mr. Wilson should be allowed to go before the examiners;
as was not at all precluded from going before the committee
e the merits.
Mr. ESTCOURT was in favour of the indulgence being
granted.
Ultimately the question was adjourned till this day.
SOUTHAMPTON CONSUMERS' 0.0 AND COKE
BILL
Mr. HINDLEY moved the second reeding of this TAIL
Mr. G. W. HOPE opposed the motion; and the second
reading was deferred for a week.
SAVINGS BANKS ANNUITY ACT.
Mr. P. SCROPE postponed hit moti in for leave to bring
in a bill to extend the provisions of this act until Tuesiay
melt.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS FOR
ENGLAND.
Lord J. RUSSELL moved for leave to bring in a bill to
emend several acts fur the appointment of ecclesiastical
Oemmissioners for Enteand. It wet his int, ration to make
a statement of the objects of this Lill on its second reading.
Leave granted.
GOVERNMENT OF INDIA.
Mr. HUME postponed his resolutions on this subject till
that day fortnight
REGISTRATION OF PRACTITIONERS IN, AND
. tRACTICE OF, MEDICINE.
Mr. WAKLEY moved for and obtained lure to bring in
&bill to provide for the registration of legally qualified pros-
gllooers is medicine, and to mimed the law relating to the
practice of medicine in England and Ireland.
RECLAMATION OF WASTE LANDS.
Mr. LABOUCHERE postponed his motion fur leave to
bring in a bill on this subject till this day week.
THE BRIG THETIS.
Capt PECHELL postponed his motion for the bill
charged by the Board of Admiralty as salvage on the pro-
„party Penn in the brig Thetis, rid this day week.
• GOVERNMENT PLAN OF EDUCATION.
_ ADJOURNED DEBATE.
Mr. EWART resumed the debate by stating that, while
ampremehlag this important question, he should proclaim
that Mt wee always an advocate of a system of notional edu
Prim, bat he should alto state that when he, for the first
:re, heard the proposition that was made by the council, ,
e was certainly struck with its great want of comprehen- ,
recess. It seemed to him to Le a matter of considerable I
doubt whether it would not be better to wait for the find ,
and ample verdict of the people of this country on this
smatter. He felt. for another reason, that tl:is was not a ,
auffietently comprehensive plau, because any system which I
Called itself a national system of education ought to be, mere ,
or lent, founded on a representative principle, by means of
makingeepresentative districts and by means of an education ,
Atte. sThat wee the system which wee adopted in other ,
vleuntries. They had heard lust night from tie hon. memb r ,
kr Edinburgh much relating to the system pursued in Mu-
hussetts. That was a representative system, and was
(ceded on the principle of local rating ; and by these means 1
ere was a system of self government, which it was emeci- ,
ally desirable to form in currying out any great scheme of i
educatioc. The same system existed in France. The coin 1
wunes of the different parts of France were formed on the i
«representative principle, and they conducted their daft rent I
echoes. The same system was pursued in Holland ,
and'Germany. In 'Scotland the landed proprietors ,
were the persons who conducted the business with the cler- ,
gymea. These objections were apparent on the first pro- 1
imeal of the measure, but he was of opinion that the govern-
ment might usefully assist, though it ought not to interfere
with, the education of the country. He felt that he should ,
Ilse acting inconsistently with his own principles
i and his con- ,
duet if, oa this or any other occasion, e pursued a course at ,
oarisnee with that which, in a former session of parliament, I
to thought it his duty to adopt. He was of opinion that the ,
eignveroment may interpose but not interftre. It was his i
(million that the government should rather develop the I
spepuler feelings in favour of education than attempt to go- ,
tern or control them. He thought that any swam of edn ,
cation in this country should be purely English and national ,
In its Mummer. They could not, as WAS clone in Prussia, I
Bnport any exotic principle of education. Thee should re- ,
member that they were legislating fi ir England and not for ,
Prussia. The government should not interfere M matters of i
eliglial.le, and least of all should they interfere in mamas of ,
;religious opinion. He would now see how far this 1
plain accorded with the principle which he laid down
• tffor the guidance of his coeduct on this question. The chief
• *grantee of the plan was the introduction of popular teachers, ,
and stipendiary MMus connected with etym. m of normal
achoohmastern It was said that this plan was too much ,
enflamed with the church and state, but he did not think
inch arguments were justified by the facts of the case. He
did not we how the state could control these popular
,teachers or normal schoolmasters, because the grants would
en in the hands of the manegen of the schools. He slid not
see how the church could interfere, because the spirit of that
mart of the measure was to give to other religious sects the
means of interp sting in the religious affairs of these schools.
Thatpart of the measure he thought its essential and chte
pee stye feature, and he would sot oppose it, nor did he
oppose that part which established schools of industry for
awes or rural districts. He thought it a sound propneataon,
and he would give it his support. He was also of
opinion that the system of appointing the normal echo 'ls
for the teachers of those who were in prisons
and workhouses, was a system which deserved the
mapport of entity Ind pendent member of that hem. His
stain objection was to the principle that the schoolmasters
/thou's' be the teachers of religion. It wee not the school-
.master's proper province to meddle with theoretical dal}
trines It may be enough to permit him to instruct in the
....neat principles of relation, as
.was done in Ireland. If
,Grey) could agree about those principlesof chest lenity which
°mates influence the lives of all—if they ceuld establish a
son of neutrel ground on which various religions can meet
as on a common basis, then let them be taught. He ob-
jected that the schoolmaster should be made the inurement
of theology. He had no objection thet the scriptures should
gee read every day in school; bat he very much feared that
this would be nothing more then a rote system, which won d
see productive of no good. The plan had been tried in Holland,
and had utterly failed. He also objected to the prin-
ple of giving . retiring pensions to the schoolmaster,.
Me objected to giving occasional gratuities to masters Who
van to decide as to the persons to receive such gratuities ? It
was a most dangerous and equivocal power to bestow on any
„government He also objected to the pnwi-ion that pupil
.teaches who should be unsuccessful candida.es in the nor-
mal schools should have the chance of a situation under go-
vernment. He thought this was holding out an invi-
• _Wien to a man who would be a bad schoolmaster to become
an exciseman, and of course a bad one. Alleituatims under
government ought to he open to free competition, as was the
Case in Prussia, sod even in China. He was not operas* le
the whole manure, but he had them three epeeist °limbos.
which he should have moved as amendments if, Metes& et
the measure being a vote on the miscellaneous estimable. It
Bad been a bill, foe, in the latter case, he might have star
diddled his objections in amendments, and moved them in
the Peened reading or in committee. He would mill mow
.them if he hod an opportunity of doing so. The hill wee •
step in the right di, ection. although it did not go far enough.
and, under any circurnalanoes. he should oppose the amend.
trent of the hon. member for Finsbury.
Sir C. NAPIER did not knew to whom the noble lord at
the head of the government alluded when he maid that
segretum had been *mewed upon this question. He could
assure him that the obwreatien neither applied to him or
Ass hon. colleague. They had been waited on by thesauri
and Roman esthetics, who very truly said that too much
mint 7 had already been given to the church for the etteees
hien of the people : they said they bad no desire themselves
to receive money for such a purpose, end it was extremely
hsnl that they should be taxed to instruct other people in
a religion they did not approve of. (Heer, hear, hear.)
He was wary to be obliged to vete against the government,
but when he saw that the ertholice were entirely excluded,
awl that dissenters were obliged to do whatthey could not con-
scientiously subscribe to, and when he knew that it was im-
•ossiblep to attach schools to every sect, and that the mat
would consequently exclude a gnat number of children
JCena the benefit of education eltegether—when his sow wads
grave objections to the measure, he could not honestly gias
at his support.
The Earl of ARUNDEL o' jected to the measure because
esthetics were not allowed to participate in the advantages
of the grant, and the noble lord at the brad of et.e Cicero.
ment had not said whin the minutes referring to m,,,,,,,,,
tat' cities would be pr pond. They had a right to complain
of the exclusion as an infraction of the rules which the com-
mittee of council bad laid down, namely, that they would
suspect the rights of conscience. The amount of Ignorant a
which existed- in the country was very cr at, and ytt the
fit lean
scab (lies, 'three ressionorim had !abetted en Is. g
th, .ugh,ut the world in toe inculcation of the intim.ua
ti nth. which the poorer classes were in want of were to he
re_t :sited from maiming Li removing this fearful twit. He