The Express.
London, England, 1847-01-21 00:00:00

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Mt NAVIN—Sir Cl./Irrrearedika.tereenew (this day), to move for the
wailer et lbereaseteksehips eat down to higates, and of the number
efresseselesed steam employed in the channel squadroo.
ftwoLsw imeovet Acr.—Mr. 13,,1KW1, on Friday next, to move
OM the Poor-haw Removal Art be retwaled-
Sitt3SIONAL ORDERS.—the house then proceeded to
"Pethermal sessional orders.
t far.t WART submitted a motion of which be had given
metlee—" That committees on all private bills, as well as on
mffiway bills, consist of five members, neither personally nor
Wiffirectly interested in the question submitted to their eon.
I ideation." He had brought forward this motion in several
meatemive parliaments, believing that committees on private
bills should be chosen for their independence, instead of
' being indirectly biassed by their comitituenu, and possibly
directly themselves interested in the question. If they
were to have a tribunal, by all means let it be au impartial
one. This plan had had the approbation of the Speaker, and
also of Mr. (knee, the chairman of committees. If it was
I found better for railway bills to be referred to disinterested
members, the principle would equally apply to all private
bills ; what was justice in one case was so in the other. It
had been said that it was necessary sometimes to submit pri-
vate bills to the decision of those who were acquainted with
local interests ; but a much better way of doing this would
be by bringing forward the local members as witnesses.
Mr. THGRNELY seconded the motion.
Mr. BROTHERTON conceived there was a great dis-
tinction between railways and local bills; and there were
many reasons why members should be allowed to attend
to the local interests of their constituency, which would
probably be neglected if they were excluded from committees.
The present system worked well ; in many cases it was abso-
Llely necessary that the local members sh..uld be on the
COO 2. 'time, to look a'ter the interests of their constituents.
Mr. HUME sa,el the principle advocated by his hon.
friend might have been urged against every alteration that
had been made in the last 20 year. In all cams it had been
sold, " The system has worked very well." Hon. members
ought to look on themselves as jurymen in this case, and
should not place themselves in a situation to be challenged.
He thought the alteration proposed a very desirable one.
Mr. R. YORKE supported the motion.
Colonel SIBTHORP said he fully coincided in the pro-
piety of the motion, but he doubted whether anything that
could be done would produce an impartial tribunal.
Mr. W. PATTEN opposed the motion.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS concurred in the observations of the
hon. member for Moatroee, and asked if any one would
advocate their going bock to the old system with regard to
nelway bills ?
Mr.-NEWDIGATE thought the motion uncalled for.
Mr. BERNAL advocated the motion, on the ground that
it would relieve members from being supposed to lend
themselves to local squabbles.
Sr 0. GREY said tie railway committees had worked
exceedingly well since they 'and been composed of five inde-
pendent members ; and though there was a considerable dif-
ference between railway and other private bills, ho thought
the principle equally applicable to each. But it should be
remembered that the caanee in the railway committees had
not been made by a mere alteration in the standing orders ;
and in this use some ecnsideratien was requisite.
Mr. EWART said that if he knew that the feeling of the
house would he in his favour, he would propose that this
question should be submitted to a select committee. (Cries
is. " Divide, divide.")
The house then divided—For the motion .... 36
.Against it. lO3-67
IRON SHIPS OF WAR.—Mr. R. YORKE asked the
Secretary to the Admiralty whether it was trite, that sixteen
iron ships of war have been ordered, without previous
inquiry of their powers and efficiency for the genie.; and,
also, whether the report of the admiralty of France, show-
ing the utter inefficiency of iron shipo for the purposes of
wears was not in possession of the governmeat at the
ibis llMsaid Sips were
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Admiralty showing the utter inefficiency of iron ships for the
perms of warfare.
AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS.—In answer to a
meentAaa put by Mr. Stafford O'Brien in reference to agricul-
ture' stannic%
Mr. T. M. GIBSON stated that the subject of agricultural
statiethes bad neeivedmach attention during the reeve, and
tilt a eameare with xehrence to them was now in program.
The dsth bed est yet been decided oa, but he had every
hips *et the bin would be submieted to parliament at &may
astriod albs session.
R-LAW UNlONS.—Captain PECHELL mond for
• rata= Rom each poor-law union and pathh in En-land
end Wes of the number of non-resident E.milies and per-
ms who were in receipt of relief on the 26th d 4 of August,
13e6, diabgaielting those who have since boomeechargeable
to the anima sad parishes in which they were residing at
that penal. He took the opportunity of obuerving that the
Poor Removal Bill bud done very great injury to the poop,
and he asked the members who supported it on its being in-
troduced into parliament what they thought of its effect ?
He celled upon the government to g.ent ter retains he
moved for, to show the position in which the poor people
were at this moment placed.
Mr. BANKES seconded the motion, and mid that if the
select committee to be moved for by the noble 'ord (Lord
J. Rummell) on Friday next were granted, a prcyosition
ought to be carried to the effect that that committee should
first inquire into the operation of the act as it affected the
comiort and condition of the poor. He cared 'idle for the
question as it affected the rate-payers in comparison with
the effect it hadon the poor. In both eases it was very in-
jurious. He would propose that the committee should first
take that question into consideration, and see whether it
were possible to amend that part of the act.
Sr G. GREY mid that there was no objection to the pro-
duction of the papers, and as the hon. gentleman gave no-
tice that he would bring the matter, asit regarded the Poor-
law Removal Act, under the notice of the house, by an
amendment, on Friday, he hoped that there would be no
further discussion on that matter at present.
Mr. FEKRAND thought that it was now a fitting op-
portunity to call the attention of the house and the right
hon. bare the Secretary of State, to the oppression which the
poor of the greatmaneacturing districts inthe north laboured
under= directions and the authority of the poor-law
eons en and their auditors. When be told the house
of circumstances which occurred in his distekt, and
in every parish in York, to his knowledge, he
was sure he should convince them they wens ealled
upon to rescue the operatives from the clutches of the
poor-law eomminsionersand their auditors. It wee, to a am-
nia district with which he was acquainted, the mama that
the constable of the perish was empowered tie rate-
payers and guardians with the means at he the
wants of those whom he might discover IN urgent
He was also enabled to procure • 'peeing ha these when he
found wanting a bed, and to pay for it, together with *air
victuals, and also to give them the mom of travelling to a
place where they could claim relief. The eedilnr, however,
has given instructions by the dire aw et the poor-law
commissioners, that if the constable be Nis band guilty of
his usual conduct, he, as auditor et the weleirovill refuse the
money in the paring of his 1111.11111119. Mill the constable
must pay it out of his own pocket. The endities had given
notice of action against several bombe Beerthwe, if they
gave authority contrary to the whasffias roadie/ from
Somerset-hones. The feeling amongst *spear la the meeth
of England wee, that not only did this begat edam te pro-
tect them from the Seasereet-hame enthaellise, bat eat be
them there was se bow maemmelea but death.
lie brought this gammas He seas of the Seerefary
of State with greater repast dela mead whoa be boa&
such matters before the bas, helesela be lawn' that he was
pomaded of more mss f/p duns lees othblted by the Ws
secretary. If the hell add* he stated woe denied byline
Somerset-house autheehive. he would brig forward the
evidence of the seentablee and if it were famed to be tree, the
house would be defied upon to take step" to select the poor
from the tynmay of the poor-law commis and lb*
auditors.
Mr. ESCOTT said that what the Me. @modems bed
just stated was perfectly true, but be wee iota asehbat
that it was from the lasy ignorance, if not the wilt& Igno-
rance of the poor-law guardians, in failing to =eke them-
selves sprinted with the provision of the rt, that such
etallowed to occur. There was net a Sob sass
et In any union in which the baud et reollbal
Miami pewee to meat alit oat at the lams. Mad
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it, bat that wee grirt4nrely stark. That was
age law by itself, se that the papaw guardians
bed fell power to give outdoor relief. There were
amide ezegt toi that rule, one; of which. was in
era
,cl and urgent necessity ; sad hi point
et ail, it the of guardians necessity
their duty,
ewe wedabautillealty ia grareing arai4est whet.
Mr. I said the ealhamt bad la arbitrary
power et costs ay allaueme be weedeor relief, and
charging reilevima ediear. Aim* it had been
made by the guardians. leillll hoboes bad recently
come under his observation ia Wwwelaubbe.
lir. P. BORTHWICH exceeded that the auditors did
not possess such a power, and if they exercised it they were
liable to penalties.
The subject then dropped.
USE OF SUGAR IN BREWERIES AND DISTIL-
LERIES.—Mr. CHRISTOPHER wished to know whether
it was the intention of the noble lord at the bead of the
--eseent, on Friday to aek for a permanent or m.:rely.a