The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-18 00:00:00

wry to reveal pauperism from dievoufag property,
sal this WllO proposed to ho does by gni,' limited
goat,. This light bit dose I. two ways, by limiting the
glover to be relieved, oe by reining the area of taxation.
Ws bill did mitten ; lie wily
Tad • aombeal maxi-
mum rate, whin might be exosedod. ito ohm toed had
met ee,v,a aay clear answer ao to what was to be done when
Its k. sad the 2e. rate were expended ; he had is effect
Vest said it mast be left to chaos" litho? the authors
Mike seaman bat mot nabs sp their Wads es the Wirt,
se they dared not mate what way proposed, for fear of
*Wag onfidearet. Hence, he hand that the nulled
isniasum wool' pion only • delusion and • man. Then
were other pialites to tall settled. Whim was to be the
ammity of the workhouses ? What was to be dans with the
Mims of razes' Either they ought to be enameled or re-
mold ; it was meat Miarins to allow then to naafis a
bad weight IminonadaMos OfsW Ent the auras, as at pnosni. Mother
so
walla whisk irimt
ill. nt ought
Its Isaias wsr the
k* b this •the
morionwslatimstal lissaday oommbuismers, how were
tho ant toestarto• Manchu owned? The adorer made
&Ms roodon of nor ware still unpaid ; awl those
rale ads. to bit tabommil or remitted at ors. Lot them
isms•
itipimodl Whoa palling in sew used. The bill was
is wit sikno. Ifs Women clearly to see their
easy. lawny that thine obbcdonsof detail were all got
lid se, ho was opposed to the principle of • madras rate at
all. It did =manse, but arnally ismossall ponvehm, by
@venlig it ore a wider sorbs, ri antroplng Irma super-
vision. While the bill gave &Moho admin. to the rate-
payer, it lost sight of the raw essohow, or Row multiplied
oho temptatiuns to fraud. It ordwanhad MAW and effect,
by striving to limit the ran, keen& of tint Inning
pomperion. Let the bear well esuilar what matt be the
mooed warlitiun of the people and thslosiondti of We in a
oratry where, In 1847, tin sailboat tithe pnolatioartisted
ea ohariry. (Hear, hear.) Is AK the real =rat it
martins was 8 000 ; la 1848 ft was 18,000. The umber
transported ia 1844 wit 400 ; la 1848 1,300 ; while ths wow
various fur cattle media/ doss had laansed from 170 es
2,800. (Hear, leas.) Tahiti: is coonezisa with the
lamentable st4owints gins Ur Roman 'WWI=
of tho demoraliaatima of their sad with*,
of
Captain Loan* es to the sommonornsat of • new
rime, that of doessiteg hmiiiae, tt was order dmais=
his bad • direst tradang se inners erre. The
the hone (nabbed ast semetly kr this; sad it was the
grain of Kr. Power that a smationum rate would
Ind re ape Mktg the mensal the tandmitm vie =
It also ismer the rib of the rats la aid, Issas ha-
porn at, sad ward repstiow. Salk were
the Asa
does to the prissier obi ted The Chassethe
betethe Essaniera at hey Mord thst what
me mom wasted wai Mawr employment.
This add et* hi given by • drags of provietors, and
that rhea. weld art he eillested wither -offering a said
rarity avant the room of pawnor To effect this
every previewer Wood, and eery aphollm is Elegised,
would realism* ressommed tho reilastina of the area of
taxa, ( In Mir, with the anstause of the
Ordnance money, the disarm had bra tslersbly regulated,
and there the law bad beta hat adwinbrond. La ether
parts of balsa& the INN dub bed Ildietrod boa the un-
manageable size of the
Its Is lingliaad the denims of
mesa might be sassidered lasonnalshdy null, but ia this
respect awn was as raw wrongs betweau England end
Ireland. (Hear, hoar.) In Ragland dr poor law was no no-
velty. Tiers use a wholesome sot established mats of
Otago The ditties of proprietor were mere generally
hal-
and the relations of propristors to One rare were
more equal. They wen, taken as a whole, • solvent hod).
The tenants had capital, the ratepayers wen a majority of
the nation, and when the emtarrsossient of the propri,tor
became hopeless it was speedily fo lowed by the sale of the
estate. Now the revere of the pismire was true of Ireland.
(Hear, bear.) But the streogast pan et of all in favour ot
• diminished erre of taxadra was that it word mot as a test
of the ability of proprietors to idsnorp the duties of their
situation. (Hear, best.) The awe arty it was shows
that they were unable to fulfil their dries as proprietors,
the more easy it would be to make noon fer others show
substitution would be • natioaal 'drowse. The adenines
of a small area wen these : that It would radar to an
raciest admiaistratisa of the kw • it would Hsu
the interest cii the proprietor mad napayers to k
pauperiim by siva, eatploymeat ; It would camped the
needy proprietors ti sell, sad risco capitalists to percher ;
it would stimulate the paw sod labourer to industry by
restricting relief to • mrel load ; and, above all, by ssii
tiplyiog workhouses it would enable them to arty out •
rigid workhouse teat. Bat it was said that a diminished
area would a scrounge *ardor Now, the fact was that the
greatest number of imitation had taken place when the
unions were largest. (Hear, hear) Ireland possessed
great resources—land and labour—within bane% and
IMO/0101M accumulations of capital doss at band, which was
looking for money investment, and was it to 30 said that the
present opportunity which Providence had given to them
was to baba because, in • British parliament, there was
sot energy or skill• or capacity enough to turn them to the
host 'denims 1 Could they sit quietly down with • COG-
elusion so discreditable to their iatelligence to their patriot
ism, sad to their common mass ? (Heir.) He felt that
wall or thing wee wanting--aamely, that parliament should
feel, and deeply feel, that they were at that moment presiding
over the strangest nvelatiou recorded in Mowry. (Hear.)
History had indeed heretofore gives mooed of great political
amardelcas, but do the present intone there was • &solo-
tin of ell organisation—a eons( free of the eine demean
bra whir sew combratiess must epring. (Hear.) It was
from this resolatios of society tawits original elements
that he drew hope, banes be hoped that they would re
constitute it on a sounder bans, from which he trusted the
moral elevation of the Irish people, end the establishment of
new sympathies with England, would arise. (Hear,
hear.) The treatment of Ireland was the foulest
that ever disgraced a Christian couatry. lie hoped, how-
ever, that they wculd now do something to remedy the
lungs of • virtuous, a gelation, but • most oppressed,
people. (Cheers.)
Mr. NA.PIER said that he opposed the principle of a
maximum, on the ground of its injustice. The act of 1838
contained tha wise provision of aliowiug the commiesioneve
to reduce the electoral divisions according to encomiast:ex
But by the principle of the prune law the electoral divi-
sion was irrevocably fixed. It was carried oat to the
union at large and thereby great mischief had been done.
The hon. and learned gentleman illustrated this by &refer-
ence to the Seaman Union, where the proprietors had bees
made to ply tor the panne, on the Mamas of Landowne's
property, who, from a mistaken philanthropy bad been allowed
to settle upon it ; and also by the case of the North Dahlia
Union, when there were 400 persons in the workhouse who
bad not been in the workhouse at all. Another nes of hard-
ship under the bid u it now stood was that of • tenancy
deserted, but where the landlord was not is occupation.
Provision ought certainly to be made for such case'. The
hon. and learned gentleman refined generally to several
other clauses of the measure but said he would recur to
them all mote 'oracularly in ineasittee.
Mr. OLBMENTS wished that some member had thought
it advisable to oppose the second reading of this bill, be.
cause they might then have had • boner dinners of the
principle involved in this 01001000. He could not oppose the
principle at establisbiag a maximum rate, *nee, 'swain
in wad that it was in cossidoration to make the lee of
the land responsible, he thought it wee oneesary to rake
• animus far the protectioa of the fee of the hod. He
was most streagly opposed to the principle of • low maxi-
mum, sad he was strongly opposed On the Mad* of a
wars rota in aid of 2a. In the pond. He would take the
amuse of the house en the queetios, whither the neon
Emulation ribs format/4a of new tiaras should sot be car-
ried into offer.
Mr. X. O'CONNELL said that it mean to have been
lift entirely out of sight that belated was sot la a normal
tradition ; it was in the esnditios Kapawn selbrlngunder
fiver and great °pommies. It had hoar unworry con-
coded that the former poor law had Idled is producing the
effects which cases intended to bo mewed. Was the pre-
sent a bill superior to the ens' Se would ma slop this bill
is the present state of its progress; bat he thonilla it did not
costar what would be • meld onstadmost.
Sir H. W. BARROIf 4111101.1% pro Wit the second
elms of the 11.11 so sodein that he eUsli feel it hie
duty, If oily oas bit .bens divided with his, to divide
Warn this rats in aid. He thaw&
_it objecticsable in
every shape, roar pooLOred the trions sad provideat
for the sieseadsat aid Wass of dr rages% Ihe orelow,
mad imairrient. WM dean • vied* whin was tau
in the Isla pase-law, end wirald,be was sore be distress
is the wenn, et the moesete. Lawdlons would gin up
Lapentar the essillika et their pso. He thonskt this
was on
se the mess *Word& fa kis nomenwe.
' Hoban the wake* of the Muss would feel that M wand
ha dimmleons Isis -workbag of the poor.law in Irani, and
billmo IS nooks bad pord, if try aided dr ohms they
=sir it. Ths sabihhisa of the tad hats man
• had takes In ray raw la gib ddialsmaril.
The hos. Wort, von lb. Namibia% widows
ki =gam at hill to utratiott an iamerre
" -ma= la brims let 120 wet el hied
le a di the hitter had subdivided it huts
42 Wier. eel ..=k a irony iato each. The hawed,
kat re present dor of Wort 111000 from tow emu;
lad lore awl bed mergemat. They minim Dress them-
selves Iss ; whir thaw INN guilt, let it fall oa the right
beef&
34031111 LL eigrettedahm:24aeh that the DM did
est deg with the law if which, as it stood at
wee a game MS the awes of Irebad. He
=theLgeeviridgte •
hie enuaittee. his rightliOn.
Med the Sisteeety inlaid take the newt late
emidoeitles. He she *night Ste per_ este rad wasty
as abd' be sinned be see hollat. Bat the meet
hoseteat lathe WU woo the iteskuut tete ; that wee
boyeatt e the ditorisa if whisk Ewe propody
loluegodtog the esesailabs. Re hared that the sialfaten
Nies wield be tallesieee, as it would be isi=:
to amos to It la the mon dist/steed dimities.
gene swum of migration, mad without the
doe of the electoral area he believed the msziman net
would be altogether hisses and could not b maintarad.
(Hearj
Mt. S. CRAWFORD also advocated a redaction ia She
ern Kam.
With
Sir D. NORMS supported the bill. veva le
the ass et tandem, be meld est omen that a entries
la thewould parr evistior, waft that the expeoldlea
Rot the ens would be aelesed bed, is may Wises% bees
Riede the mead fa milting.
Kt. A. STAFFORD admitted that may Gelatine
bad takes plass rims the eggioltsmita dot the
we of weld be voiesed ; bee wive wok
teileolita tamettabilisl la the OWlief node mere
Study tupeallbk die edam, wield &Wahl.
The bill woe thee teed a tensed Sae.
Lard J. RUSSELL regeotd to take the Reerambered
Rates (Ireland) Bill oa Normlay, sod mid he would state
apes that day whoa the Peer Belief (Inland) Bill woad
ge but. committee.

ACCOUNTS OF TURNPIKE TRUSTS (SCOTLAND)
BILL.
This bM was and a third times •ad passed.
POLICE OF TOWNS (SCOTLAND) BILL.
Th. bill was read • mennd time, •ad ordased to be cam-
mined ea that day fostaisht.

MR SMITH O'BRIEN.
Loa 3. RUSSELL untied to rate to the home that he
should propme to-morrow (t►is day) instead of the motion of
which he had given notice with regard to Mr. Smith
O'Brien, that the record be read, and then he would mem
two rranntimm and that a sew writ be lamed for the eke-
nee of a member for the county of Limerick, in the place of
Mr. Smith O'Brien. (Hear, hear.)

STATE OF SICILY.
Mr. BANK= me *once that he would, to- morrow (this
day) ask a qustUa ei the right hon. patinae, the
Foreiin Secretary, with regard to the resent state of Sicily.
BREAD BILL.

la reply to • Treatise,
Kr. BANSES odd that, In oonsequenoe of the length to
which the Irialt debates had ez, be had postponed his
Brood Bill natal atter Whitsuntide.
The house adjourned at half-past 11 o'clock.