The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-27 00:00:00

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Yet they wed protestant' deeply attached. no doubt,
to the k to= Did they neglect the wants sad claims of
those aid firma than ? tio; the better lays:
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amens tt les imemeed se mei es nada the selefAiddist al a
twaaeh from add the Ildhit hooka
I alight velar be edge somponies who palms Folterti to
Ireland tinder shad skentsetances—the fidunongers', I am
informed have taken the same oonise—and so far from en-
couraging notation spirit I look forward to great advantages
as likely to arise from such an arrangement as introducing
new capitol end energy into the country, and it is my firm
conviction that the relation of the Boman catholic tenant
with the holder of the soil will be greatly improved by it,
end that a cordial cooperation between them, which
is necessary for the well being of both, will be secured.
As I happened to be reading this letter when the hon. gen.
demo attributed to me the desire to substitute a protestant
for the Roman catholic population, I could not resist the
temptation of rising to repel the charge, and to rectify the
misconceptions which have not been confined to the hon. gen-
tleman; but I trust I have satisfied him that the last object
in my mind was the motive which the hon. gentleman has
attributed to me. 1 will not longer interpose to
prevent the hon. and learned Solicitor-General from
stating what are the views of the government and
what measures they have in contemplation ; therefore I will
not notice any other of the misconceptions which have
been uttered ; but I felt it to be impossible, having heard
to great a mit-statement of my intentions as that I wished
to drive out the catholic tenantry and put a protestant to
:sentry on the soil, I felt that I could not, on the first oppor-
tunity afforded me, remain silent without giving it the
flattest contradiction. (Cheers.)
After a few words of explanation Item Ur. GRATTAN and

Sir Paw.,
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said it was idle to talk of imposing
a tax of as. in the pound in Ireland, as that so-termed pound
had dwindled down to 13s. Sir Robert Peel's plan for the
regeneration of the distressed portions of lirel.sud stood out
in bold relief se compared with the paltry, peduling, tinker-
ing measures of the government, and worthy of immediate
consideration by the legislature.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY speaking from the opposition benches,
said he could no longer support the ministry, because they
would not wait for the report of the committee of the Irish
poor laws before bringing forward this measure. Proposi.
none for coercing Ireland had been successively and success-
fully brought forward by all parties, Ireland had been delu-
ded on all sides. and any section of the house tbat really in.
tended to benefit his country, should have his support.
Mr. BRIGHT was of opinion that the hon. gentleman
who had st resumed hie seat, had done the house some in.
justice. lie (Mr. Bright) admitted with him that coercion
had been the rule rather than measures of real justice to that
country. The right hon. baronet the member fur Tamworth
had that night fully admitted, though not in so many words,
that much of the present evil of Ireland was attributable to
bad laws. All who had taken office, and all who held office,
might take some blame to themselves in this matter. The
right bon. baronet was doing now what was calculated
to atone in some measure for that share in the
mischief which he had in his long pohtical life been
instrumental with others in inflicting; and he (Mr. Bright)
believed that the noble lord at the head of the government—
who, en the other aide of the house, had promised a great
deal, aad who, on that, the ministerial side, had not done
much—(hear, hear)—was new convinced that a more
energetic coarse of action than had before been adopted
wee now rendered necessary for Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
For himself he could say that although he believed he
had found as much fault with the house as any hon.
member in past times for its legislation with regard to the
sister country, and es?ecially with referenes to land,
he was willing now to forget pest differences—(hear,
hear)—to let bygones be bygones—(hear, hear)—and
he hoped one aide of the house would not waste
time in blaming the other, but that they would 1
one and all leave party squebbles alone, and. proceed
at once to an honest consideration of this imp ntant sub-
jute (Hear, hear.) If he were disposed to find fault,
lie could retort, not upon the hon. gentleman (Mr. O'Flap
betty), perhaps because he was a young member
of the bouts, but upon the Irish members gene-
rally, because, though they had been prone to find
fault witk everybody, they had been 13 unfortunate in those'
propositions they had attempted to submit to the house I
that they were not agreed amongst themselves with respect
to the propriety of them. This was one of the greaten
misfortunes Ireland laboured under, and ho attributed
it, in a great measure, to the state of the re-
presentation in that country, for the reform bill
as regarded Ireland had been a sham and nothing more.
(Hear, hear.) And though the Irish members at present
in the house were excellent in their way—(" hear," and
laughter)—yet he thought that if there was a free and full
representation of the people of Ireland, the condition of the
Irish representation would then be very considerably im-
proved. On several former occasions he had spoken to the
Irish members on this subject. They admitted that they
had not been successful in proposing measures to the house.
Even this eerier' they were divided. (Hear, hear.) He
thought the hon. gentleman (Mr. O'Fleherty) need not
have gone over to the protectionist side of the house for the
seasons he had stated, because when good measures ems-
nated from either side, he (Mr. Bright) hoped that he
should be always ready to support them, irrespective al
party. (Hear, hear.) He thanked the right hon. bi roan
:or the spiel. .3 had delivered on a former occasion, and
itso for the speech of that eight, for, though there was no-
thing absolutely new in what -he had said before or now, yet
truths the most common, if they were stated by the right
hon. baronet or by the noble lord at the head of the govern-
meet, possessed an influence not only in Ireland, but fa
Great Britain, and throughout the world ; tad the whole
world, under such circumstances, were inclined to believe
that to be astute which men of their character were disposed
to recommend. He confessed that in his opinion, now, they
had paned the time of difficulty with regard to Ireland, and
that in future they would have a more sensible species of
legislation adopted for that country. (Hear, bear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said there was one course which hon.
members of that house might have taken, though it was
somewhat incoavenient—namely, to discuss the several pro.
visions of the present bill, and to point out their merits or
demerits. Another course was, not to discuss the merits of
the bill, but to have allowed him an opportunity of bringing
it io, and then to permit the hon. and learned gentleman the
Solicitor-General to explain the nature of the measure he
was about to introduce, to facilitate the sale of encumbered
estates in Ireland. But a third course had been to attack
the government for not having introdeeed measures of a cer-
tain nature • and that he could not think a very reseonable
course. (dear, hear.) He suggested, as it seemed to be the
general wish of the house, that-leave should be given to Inn
in the bill, upon the understanding that its provisions should
afterwards be discussed in detail, and that his hon. and
learned friend the Solicitor-General should be allowed to ex-
plain the merits of his measure. (Hear, hear.)
Sir H. W. BARRON said that he would not have troubled
the house were it not for the attack which had been made
the Irish members by the hon. member fee
sae►eaer (Mr. Bright.) That attack would appear in the
newspapers, and he (Sir H. W. Barron) was anxious that
the antidote and the poison should be circulated at one and
the same time. It had been enunciated in that house in •
eery dictatorial manner, that the Irish members were not at
Alto be attended to—(" Oh." and laughter) ; but that, for-
ma, Manchester was the school to guide the British mace
mad the Irish representatives. Now, he could not agree to
Manchester doctrine might' be vary pidatable at
Memekeeter, and it might be very agreeable in other so.
=Mks in the north of England; but the hon. member fee
Manchester ought to know that differences of opinion existed
everywhere,' not mongol Isiah member alone, but among
English members also. Without going further than the bench
he saw sitting under him—(great laughter)—he might ask
whether the hon. and right hon, gentlemen there were all
speed in matters of public policy? He would tell
these Manchester gentlemen that they were excessively
selforufficient—(laughter)—that their arguments had no
foundation but that of the most absurd vanity—
(loud laughter)—and that thinking themselves superior to
all the rest of the world they believed that they could throw
their taunts about spinet everyone who deed to differ from
the Manchester school. He would tell the hon. member
(111 r. Bright) that the Manchester policy had brought Ire-
land, in a great measure, to a state of despair, misery, and
ruin, and that the following out of that policy was likely to
lead to further ruin and misery in that oountey. (Cheers
from the protectionists.) England might survive the shock
by falling back upon her enormous riches, capital, and ma-
nufactures, but the landlords, tenants, labourers' ind all in
Ireland who had nothing to rely upon except the land,
would be involved in one common ruin brought upon them
by the Manchester school. (Renewed cheers from the pro-
tectionists.)
Lave was then given to bring in the bill.
SALE OF ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND)
BILL.

The SOLICITOB.GENikAL, in moving for leave to
bring in a bill to facilitate the sale of encumbered estates in
Ireland, said it would be necessary to explain and render in-
telligible the nature of the law at present with reference to
the sale of encumbered estates in the sister country. The
object of the law wu to effect the sale of these estates by
means of two different plans united in the same Nll.
One of them was by sale under the authority of the
Court of Chancery, and the other was by sale, not
under the authority of the Court of Chancery, but under
which the porgies, money should be paid into the Coirt of
Chancery, and then repaid after the estate had been sold.
Now, both these would, up to the present time, to
be wholly ffswfss6anl. Re believed that, totally independent
of the IMINSTO itself, there had been peculiar circumstances
01:111111101411 with Ireland width bad made it very difficult for
any ingesaire whatever te guessed. It wu essential to the
seesaw ei ay plan that a slue of purchasers should ex'st, '
and there lad been very great diftulty, even in ordinary
mass, of with clear titles, and willing to seU, being
able te of their lands during the last twelve months ;
and he did not attribute the failure of the bill
altogether to the difficulties created by the measure itself.
There were undoubtedly considerable difficulties imposed by
its provisions, and great impediments had thereby been
cleated. The impossibility of giving an immediate inch