The Express.
London, England, 1847-12-07 00:00:00

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jar.wa et of the law as earl Irpleasedied by
be as needled wither Wog, far, by stiiiiq
now one et the great erne et roe
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' tad, if the noble lord did met modem Xis
beirepari te joia his hat. Irked im s
on the geereaset. He tharkt the r-
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0 the ammotallo widish bed beim MO opera the Berea
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eehoodems.
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that rat* test brio la idesarrod nose aria,
be cold show loth Ihneehshihn *other thok bad bees seat
ee Roman to
and even to Rem= catholic
bishops. Bethat the Lord Lieutenant would
net wait for the proset measure, bat that he
would pour police Into the disturbed distrkte, which
he had the power of daft at present. The farmers
of Ireland were thaws/vs* moat anxious for this
bill. (Hear, hear.) Ho wee repared as Mid the
cowardly assassins, not by an ceder to prise mad balk but to
present and fire. (Laughter.) Those were the me he
bad given, and which enabled him to be there. His had re-
ceived notices and this; was the way be would meet them.
It was due to 'the honour of the country—it was their duty
as men, as citizens, and as chrlstians, to upport the present
bal. (Hear, bear.)
Sir G. GREY said that the speech of the hon. gentleman
who addressed the house confirmed the opinion with which
he rose, namely, that it would be mummery for him to ap-
pal to the house to reject the motion proposed by the
bon. member for Limerick. Ile felt convinced not only that
a majority of that house but that a majority of the Irish
members would not lead themselves to a measure the effect
of which would be—he would not say to obstruct the fur-
ther progress of the bill—but to obstruct the government 1
when they eame to discuss its principle and provisions. He '
rose principally to express his hope that those gentlemen
who felt the importance—en importance which he could not
himself too strongly Impress upon the house, of promptitude
in palming the measure, would not be led by the speech of
the hon. member fur Limerick and the hon. gentleman
who seconded hie motion into that wide field of
discussion to rhich they had invited the house. He asked
of them to abstain from that discussion now, not because he
disagreed from the views of the hon. gentleman, many of
which were deserving of the considered= of the house, but
because the present was not the time or the occasion for
discussing them. He, therefore, hoped the house would allow
the order of the day to be read, and oa the motion for the
second reading the objections waist the bill and the
opinions of members upon it might be urged ; and at that
stage of it he would address a few words to the house in
explanation of some of its provisions, and to remove miscon-
ceptions which might tent respecting it. With regard to
the feeling against Ireland entertained in this country, to
which the on. gentleman referred, he totally denied that
any such feeling existed. (Hear, hew.) He believed that
I the desire of England and of every Englishman was, that Ire-
land should be virtuous, happy, preaperone, and contented.
(Hear, hear) But there was • feeling, a deep-seated feel-
ing, in the minds of the people of this country against the
unchecked progress of crime, and the foul and dastardly
assassinations which occurred in Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
That opinion was echoed by members on both side, of the
house, from whatever portion of the empire they might come.
They asked the house to consent to a bill to check this
crime and this system of dastardly, cruel, and secret Ittiligial4
don, which wee a disgrace to any country calling iteelf
Christian and proforstng to be civilised. (Cheers.) He
would not enter into a detente of the proceedings of the last
1 parliament, nor refer to that series of acts of parliament
' which were conceived in a spirit of generosity, and he would
add of juttice for the relief of Ireland, nor of the days, and
weeks, and months, which had been spent with a view to
mitigate her distress. Neither would he enter into a de.
fence of the conduct of the government. If the hoe. ger,-
man thought them reprehensible, let him bring forward a
substantial motion, early, openly, and honestly impugning
their administration towards Ireland. He would then meet
it in the same spirit, and would be prepared to abide by the
opinion of the house. But whatever opinion might be en-
tertained of the conduct of the goveroment, let it not pre-
vent them from considering a measure immediately neces-
may for checking the progress of crime in Ireland. (Hear)
Mr. F. O'CONNOR said, that if he thought the appeal of
the right hon. gentlemen would have the effect of restoring
peace in Ireland, he would be the last person in the house to
postpone the object in view fora single moment. He thought
that the right hon. gentlernaa must have oft= withed,
during the speech of the hon. member for Meath (Mr.
Grattan), to be saved from his friends. It was the misfor-
tune of Ireland that there never had been unanimity in her
coancils, and that those who undertook to represent her
distress and griefs could never agree among themselves
era any remedies. He did not wish to appear to defend
Measeiriation, but he believed that the present measure
would only lead to further crimes of a similar character.
The Ma. member fur Meath had offered his cor-
dial to the measure of her Majesty's government,
he tad them that he himself would not
wait le rifts sad lead, but would present and fire and prime
sad load shearers. (Laughter.) He told the house that
it wr thers edgy who refused to act that required the bill ;
while the aeblelard to whoa be referred, end Mr. Grace
gad klieself; did met down& say extraordinary measures
=mil the emallentinn, Be charged the hon. member
insuwi tea the question of Irish distress
as being lrrsiewad. whilst he himself went through
thewholeettimaters cormaidon. (" Hear," and laughter )
In the speech et the hen. gentleman who had just spoken
there was the Warr ground for isolating on remedial
samseres, for it was there confessed that the government
had hitherto done nothing for Ireland. Let the government
have recourse to the stringency of the ordinary law before
they applied to parliament for fresh enactments. He as-
sorted, on the testimony of the highest authorities, that the
invariable effectof coercive measures was to bring the ordinary
law into disrepute. He had been asked if it were possible for
the Lord Lieutenant legally to change the venue ; end, as a
barrister whose practice had been as great, for the time that
it lasted, es that of any one at the Irish bar, he replied in the
affirmative. He confessed that vie only surprise which he felt
in reference to the present period was, that Ireland was nether
more disturbed. The right hon. gentleman had broughtforward
his bill of indictment, but he had not told them that it ap.
peered, from the newspapers of that morning, that the soli-
citor for the Provincial Bank had entered 800 declarations
on its behalf. He did not oppose the bill because it was too
stringent, or because he objected to arrest the hand of the
murderer' but because he believed no good would result
from it. Let the house observe what was the opinion of the
highest authorities in reference to similar laws passed for
similar purposes. The hon. and learned gentleman then
read an extract from a work of Bavaria on crimes and pun-
ishments, in which it was stated that Was count:rim and times
most notorious for severity of punishment, had always
been those in which the most atrocious crimes were com-
mitted, the hand of the legislature and that of the anemia
being directed by the same spirit of ferocity. He also read
an extract front Montesquieu', "Spirit of the Laws" to the
same effect ; and also from Lord J. Russell's work on the
Government and Constitution of England, in order, as he
said, that the house might have an opportunity of judging
of the difference between Russell courting the favour end
support of Irish members and Russell sitting atedfastly on
thearene of office, careless of their co-operation. (Laughter.)
Irish members were frequently told that their cotto-
ny ybeetstreated very bountifully by the English pulite-
=lout that that parliament could not go further and
with Irish landed property. To ere had been into-
=ia the me of England; why should It not be a-
te Ireland ? If asked to explain the cause of the
=
itis of things, he would reply that it ail arose from
tance that the Irish landlord was a poor proud
imalllaitabter)—too proud to work, and too poor to live
orillotst work. (Renewed laughter.) The landlords of the
ewe countries must unite and not allow land, the reality, to
be sacrificed to free trade, the fiction. The very mildness of
this bill was what he most dreaded about it. In that rennet
It was in harmony with all the former professions of the
._telh(gs. What did they do for Ireland when formerly et the
bead of affairs ? Instead of bending an agneultnral
lord lieutenant to an agricultural country, they de-
spatched thither a sort of officer, with plumes and
feather', fiying, like another Don Quixote, through
the country proclaimag gaol deliveries and liberating
felons. (" Her, haar." and laughter.) It was said that
Lord Clarendon was such a me
_shrewd men that the
execution of the power of the bffl might very safely be
Warr to hiss. Remould pot =Oar any sea with such
, pewees. The rasa which roar Ia Ireland was not
=tilt' uudecreed la this orrat. He weer relate to
a power osperelle whir -
timer 1* Mistral* It.
Having been throe* Areal his horse at Claaeklifp is VW
he fell ate malwronem with the servant of a gattiewieu
who teat him a gip to esavey him bore. The urea tad his
that he bad .100 eeriest to a captain is the aray, end that
his WWII! *slim with a major is the sate regiment,
rad the orlst), went out oa re crake with
Unfit brern led were in the perlass as White-
stwely the Its* Night have ampleyrat amongst
(Lawlr). This v
eered alatisord to
were Rahman, OISE SINIVISIO Sit l; but, es =
were goatlmart eseseoesed, he retort to interfere.
wes the rebore which the Irish people WWI the Oars.
Hs hod lOWA lIA • *MI* • be would aow speaks en
aftwidtaths, sal k red bar raiser that he was one of
ilk bra ht Oa tpentry. la doe hire opacity he had em-
pire* two Mohr eel frp mid pier day, and no power
ea oak dear 'maim sr titillate este ef kis Labourers.
There re met a pia armee in freer af eh, bill by the
el& hem, horst whir Right not be tared to its MAIM-
NAM It would be made one of by the lamillords to no
ewer role ors rents, jar r they sad red every other
ireitere, that whir soolelletedps aaremen_for their
oil edweeereono, wither rissakiefee the lsaat. nap had
hotol_rairetirthmtdiebsiesi.
iskli:rmt
itirerraistryil bat
lnirigwani li ofair the per prey preer So-
was
urs gagman, de Wee* doing equal Janda,
Matt that tinkering moiler e
raw; elle aphis+. He implored the
se to take 4=l ono kW the other hirers of
ilea or class, la trhatever was
*de lief to no . elf Moor likrad.
don%
For laminar he wag la algae this bill, fro the
preamble Oa the last ilium. Win told that Marl
airraree would allow It. He wail what whig air.
KiK meant. He knew that treltzwer.as
limn their and nothing from thdr as=
wear auppeott roped vfnecirrowlf ' eo eagbie dm
to held ties taists 12teth.,41.0.= trayald heist
Regard remollalhis (Kr. °Von-
aloes) strantane trea
d; bid i-o 'Qs' •ha would give
*rep ponfbie appealable.
Hr. D. BROWNS should support *APIA riding of
ale bat, because it did not go too-fa, beaus the circum-
stances of the country required it, because it would affect
only guilty parties in certain districts, and afford prase.
Lion to respectable persons in the midst of a reign of