The Express.
London, England, 1848-04-18 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, APRIL 18, 1818.

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HOUSE OF LORDS.—MosnAT, APRIL -
The Loan CHANCILLOII took his seat at 5 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND READINGS.—Kettering Small Tenements Rating ; Li-
SECOND
Cemetery; Bills.
PUBLIC BURNES&
PETMONe.— Ity the Earl of Mennen, Lord SUNLIT, Earl
Foursome, Earl of Ent.INTON, lord Wueascurre, Lore Bucemer,
from carious loilfte. of odd Fellows, praying that they might be legal.
imed.—Lord Bloconstw, from an individual 'Mose name was not
Mord, against the Election Recognisance's Bill.—Lord Ilavaurros,
from a piece not heard, against the game laws.
cMMIITEES.—ItemovaI lof Aliens; Lem. of Mines (Ireland);
Bees.
CRIME IN IRELAND.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH rose to move that a re-
turn up to the 14th of March last of the arms registered in
Ireland be continued to the 14th of April ; and he would
take that opportunity of putting a question to the noble mar-
quit (Lansdowne) of which he had given notice a few days
ago. When the noble marquis laid the return up to the 14th
March on the table, he accompanied it by stating that the
Anna Bill had proved efficacious for its purpose, and that
arms had been seized and surrendered in the country, but
yet it had nit been applied to the city of Dublin. They
knew, however, that its Dublin arms were being manufac-
tured, and numbers of people were exercising themselves in '
military oganisation, for pure hostile to the government
of the country. In proof of the spirit in which this menu-
facture of anre. was going on he might be permitted to read !
a paragraph from s newspaper of which Mr. Mitchell, of un- '
enviable notoriety, was the editor. It stated, with reference
to the arming of the people of Dublin;—" The Irish people,
or a competent number of them, will simply continue so to
arm, openly, fearlessly, zealously, with passionate
ardour and with fervent prayer morning and evening
for the hoped hour when that organisation may find itself
reeve in battle array, and when those arms may find them-
idea plunge din the heats' blood of their enemies." It
then went on to say that the sole enemy of Ireland was the
government of England in that country. Now what
another
was the
conduct of that government ? It appeared from
new-paper paragraph that the unduerscluatel of Try
College were enrolled in a defensive corps, but emu were
only to be given to them in case of an actual outbreak. slow
e:uld the govere:...,,, aspect to 5e..:..,
eel in such a conflict if
the ieeptiffily.en of tome .. .....Tewed hostility to the govern-
ment of England and Iceland wu not to Le prt vented,—if
they were allowed to arm and diecipline themselves, and
those who were anxious to support and maintain that go•
vemment were not to be provided with arts? If no prepara-
tion was to be made for defence white the enemy was getting
ready to attack, those who wished now to aid the government in
maintaining peace and order would be disheartened, and then
they would not be able long to depend on their cordial gap-
pert. Oa the contrary, they would begin to entertain tie
question of cornpromiee which (Ha
sa ed
eaz 0f,.) whe
If n
the gm
no some I
promise "mid take place. h
verninent showed a want of resolution they would most
surely find there would he a falling-off of their supporters ;
and they must maintain at all hazards everything connected
the
with the union. (Cheers.) He was unwilling to press
subject too prominently forward; he only wished to know
distinctly what were the intentions of the government, and
he wools', therefore, conclude by putting the question of
which he had given notice--namely, whether it was the in-
tention of the government to extend the provisio of the
Crime and Outrage (Ireland) Act to the city and coonty of
Dublin, or to bring in a measure to amend that act
The Marquis ot LANSDOWNE said there could be no
objection to the return for which the noble earl had moved ;
but his object undoubtedly was to procure more information
on a very important subject. (Hear, hear.) He hoped the
house did not believe that her Maje.tv's government or the
government in Ireland were indifferent to those cir-
cumstances to which the noble earl had alluded,
—and which were no doubt to a certain extent founded on
fact—of • preparation in Dublin, and other parts of the
country, hostile to the government. Not a week or a day
had puled in which this state of things had not been the
subject of incessant and anxious communication between the
gov.rument of Ireland and her Majesty's goverament. There
could not be a doubt that the act which their lordships had
passed this year enabled the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland,
at his discretion, to put its provisions in force in any part of
any county or city in Ireland when he might find it neces-
sary to do so. (Bear, hear.) He was bound also to state.
that be thought it essential to the peace and good govern-
ment of Ireland that the power so entrusted to the Lord-
Lieutenant of Ireland should be exercised on his discretion
only. (Hear, hear.) Ile was the fit judge both of the
time, the place, and the mode is which the power of the
goeemment should be put into action—(hear, hear); and he
and not think that house was the place, if any part of Ireland HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAT, Arlin. 17.
woo to be brought suddenly under the operation
of the act—he did not think that house was the place in The &mutes took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINE-Ss.
which it was consistent that such a proclamation ihould be REPORTS CONSIDERED.—Patent thevanieed Iton Company
announced (loud cries of " hear, hear'') • he thought it (lounrporation of Company, with powers to bedlam's, to Lisamoney
r
should come at once and direct from the LOrcl•Lientenamt. by loan, and to purchase letters patent) •, Tadcaster and Halton LSsl
(Hear, hear.) It was well the public should know that in Turnpike Road (lbversion, art. of the Rood in the pariah of ad-
many instance the statements to which the noble earl had cuter); Billo.
referred—athough to a certain extent founded in fact—were TIDED 11EADINGS.—Follatone Waterworks ; porch of Scot-
land Fire and Life Asourance Company (Incorporation of company ;
greatly exaggerated. (Hear, hear.) Ile might Five an in- Worcester New Gas Light Company (Additional Capital and Amend.
stance or two for the satisfaction of their lordships and the meet)—Belts.
public. A noble earl, a large proprietor in Ireland, and PUBLIC BUSINESS.
well known to their lordships., had received a communica. PETITIONs.—Br Ca. TtloLl+4ol, from Sunderland ; Lord D.
on to the effect that the whole of a large plantation belong- r°,°‘..T, from a public meeting of di. l',ll?c,eAlsandoo i Ml': 8010,.
lagto him bad been cut down for the purpose of being con- ~,?.Tt",i;',l,2oe,,,tuetge; eilL. favour tfrohempetij e ' arte, fir—. 51f,;inere".: fgeT„,
verted into pikes ; hut on going to the spot he found that 0...,,,,,
...k„.;thed., bk. cee.„, from shech.;,.eugh,h, emwegeheee
not a single tree or even a bogh had been touched. Then, In Scotland ; agninst establishing diplomatic relations with the Court
again, the Lord Lieutenant bad received what appeared to of Rorne.—Mr. IL BERXELEY, from Bristol Mr. noose vs, from
be authentic information that on a certain line el railway individual clergymen ; for such reform in the discipline of the church
every blacksmith had felt his regular buiness and was ee,_ would Prf.,.,• 2e, eett,erectelopef
oet.ert6;:rnoee. as tine
engaged in making pikes. Upon inquiry, however, he .47. 7. ,„,,,..-7...„ --
from place. ire Ireland, for a repeal
found that not a single smith was so empleyed. lie did of the usion.—Sir J. Y. Be LULU. from u plane in Devonshire, for the
not wish to remove the just apprehensions which their lord- pardon of Frost, Williams, and Jones.—Mr. G. T 110,11,404 from
ships entertained from a belief that the evil existed to a great theme; Dr. BOICIIING, from a elects nine' institution; opting the I
extent, but he mentioned these facts to caution their turd- crown and Government Security NlL—bard. klanov, from llcrtford, 1
am
ships agar
giving an unlimited credit to the statements I%.,tuezar?, 7: fe,gt.treet:fritieeelthtri.louwt iairk/ter. cr.= from
i,,
which were from time to time mak. (lieu, hear.) The Perth, against the game laws.—lard Itornae, from a place in York-
noble earl must see that the conduct of the Lord Lieutenant shim ee,mat the gem= eitheheadier mu, and further ...wee
must be guided by infinite caution, diicrimination, and care. to Raman catholies.
The act which had been pasted by their lordships was clearly SECOND READlNG.—lodemnity MIL
applicable to every part of Ireland ; and if any additional ItEPOteT.—Public Works Completion (Ireland) Bill. ,
power was wanted parliament would doubtless grant it. The '
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nd tiikleirioh: .:!..—..M:,...,
retells
common law of the land gave to the Lord Lieutenant, as to the bolds thereon.l
the government of this country, the power of seizing any Reuse Coimirs.—Mr. Ile MC postponed, front to-morrow (this day)
instruments and any accumulation of arms which were until after the recem, his motion on this subject.
obviously intende Ito be used for an illegal purport, and Tier BALLar.—Mr. IL BEREELLY postponed till after the recess his
directed to the subversion of the government. (Hear.) motion upon this subject.
And if the power did not exist to a ne
cessary degree for pre- NEW MEMBERS.
venting any attack on the government of the country, an Mr. Townies'', for the borough of Sligo, and Mr. H. M.
application would be made to parliament for further aid, CuarEte, for the borough of Rye, took the oaths and their
which, he thought he could undertake to say they seats.
would unhesitatingly grant. (Cheer') The noble earl NEW WRITS FOR DERBY.
had referred to the rejection of the services of persons Mr. EVANS moved for new writs for De in the
ready to come fozward and amiet in the preservation of order. room of Mr. Strutt and the Hon. F. Gower.
The Lord-Lieutenant was ready at the proper time to avail Mr. MACKINNON seconded the motion.
himself of those services ,• but he roust choose that time at Mr. E. ELLICE, jun., felt bound to say, after perusing
his own discretion ; and he (the Marquis of Lenselowne) the evidence of the committee which unseated the late mem.
thought he ought not to be ready to place arm, in the hands ben, that it presented a parallel case to that of Yarmouth.
of all persons who claimed them. (Hear, hear.) There (Ileu, hear.) In both, the freemen were the body proved to
was, however, no unwillingness to do so on his part, for have been corrupt ; and there was no more evidence in the
within the last two days he had accepted the services of a Yarmouth case to justify its disfranchisement than in the
large and efficient body of persons, and arms had been sent Derby.
- Ne put into their hands. (Hear, hear.)
in
Sir J. HANMER said that there was an essential
be so sorry to pledge the Lord.Lientenant in- city for punishing all such conAituencies as should be proved
J arm all persons making application to him. guilty of corruption, and no longer to act upon the pnuciple
The noble earl had alluded to a compromise of punishing merely the members elected by these corrupt
taro rumours had been spread abroad, and bodies. He called upon to
the government to remed
required y &malady,
meomist was mentioned he was bound to take which as much as any
other of the dpol
tunity of stating that there could be none. be remedied.
It was the determination of her Majesty's Mr. lIUME urged that an equal measure of justice should
resist all attempts to subvert the well- be dealt out to ell corrupt constituencies on some uniform
. of the country, and with the interests principle, and that while one corrupt borough was disfran-
government the preservation of the union was chised, another should not be permitted to elect anew
(Loud cheers.) Rumours of a compromise, member, as Bewdley was allowed to do. He contended that
foundation, had been studiously promul- Derby ought to be placed in the same category with
Ireland and this country, in order to create Horsham. It was peculiarly the duty of government to see
and the same parties were also interested in to this matter, at a time when so much attention was being
'rt preparations to which the noble earl had paid to the question of the representation of the country.
hear.) (Hear, hear.) He moved that the writs for Derby be sus•
illAel said the language which the noble pended until a full inquiry had been made into the whole
a and attributed to a person called Mitchell, if subject. (Hear, hear.)
;as sedition. It was all very well to say that, The Earl of LINCOLN supported the amendment, and
necessary, the loyal inhabitants would be al- expressed his hope.that the neble lord at the head of the go-
An themselves, but, meanwhile, the disloyal were vernment would lose no time in inquiring into the matter.
themselves with weapons. If training was going It would be clearly a gives injustice to punish Yarmouth,
nite illegal. for the Goth Geo. 111. prohibited it. Horsham, &c., if Derby—euilty of exactly the same mal-
t the union was only sought for by a very ormilices—were allowed to pus impunished. (Hear, hear.)
e drove a pecuniary trade by advocating such It was essential for the character of the house m the eyes of
the country, that all cases of corrupt election should be visited
is of LANSDOWNE said the government no with condign and equal chastisement. (Hear, hear.) In
iced the means of preventing training • but he the Cast of the now disfranchised borough of Sudbury,
existed only in the noble and learned lord's ima- previous to the house acting upon the report of the select
efe might add to what he had before said that the committee, a special inquiry wag made into the alleged cor-
e were about to be armed was composed of reptione ; and it was not until the charges brought by the
. esthetics. (Hear, hear.) first committee had been fully substantiated by the second'
OF REPRESENTATIVE PEERS FOR that the borough was disfranchised. Ile would strongly 1
SCOTLAND. urge that a similar special ioquiry should be made into the
f EGLI NTON moved that "Ton matter of the case of Derby.
in against the vote of the person assumitig the Mr. CHILDERS, as chairman of the Derby e'ection cons-
Colvill, or Lord tai ill of Oclailtree, being re- mittee, begged to eay that the committee had not teem-
- inted at the meeting for the election of the 16 mended the disfranchisement of the borough, because, al-
Scotland, hoiden at Edinburgh, upon the Bth day of though bribery had been no doubt proved against nine
18 IT, be taken under deliberation by the voters and there was a strong case of suspicion in reference
a new to direct such inquiry, and to make such to about' 200 out of the 400 freemen, yet as the constituency
the house shall seem proper.' numbered .2,000, 1,500 of these being :101. householders,
er words from Lord Caetenstt, against whom there appeared no taint, it had been con-
at 11.11COMIIE, counsel for the person claiming eidered unjuet to the 1,700 or 1,800 voters to disfranchise
Colvin, wan called in, and having been informed theist for the fault of the minority. Ile should, on the same
in CR ANeELLOR of the nature of the remlution, principle, oppose the suspension of the write.
'he had anything to urge against it. The learned Mr. AGLION BY supported the amendment, and can-
t commenced an address in support of his client's tended that a public proeecutor ought to be appointed to
• title. After a !bort time the learned gentle. proceed against all constituencies reported corrupt. When
in answer to a question frem Lord CAMPBELL, throughout the land there were exhibitions of such gross
d not object to the inquiry which the resolution corruption in the freemen, it was no wonder that the
or, and a committee of privileges was then op- chartists, or whatever you might call the non-electors,
before which the claimant is to attend and endea- should be infinitely dissatisfied with the state of the rep re-
make out his title. sentation. (Hear, hear.)
REMOVAL OF ALIENS BILL. Lard J. RUSSELL said that with reference to this par.
Marquis of LANSDOWNE proposed that this bill ticular case the committee had not found that bribery was
lan through-committee pro forma for the purpose of provedupon more than nine persons, although, had the
'Certain araendmenta of a verbal character, and one inquiry been further prosecuted, there were strong reasons
•c ft right of appeal to the privy. council. He should for thinking.that the case could be pretty well made out
the bill be read a thud time to-morrow (this against a large number of the freemen, Bribery, however,
having been proved, as against the agents of the members,
lof ELLENBOROUGH said an appeal to the these members, though acquitted of cognisance of the
council would defeat the object of the b The bribery, were very prorly unseated by the committee.
^ this country whom it might be desirable to He considered that to
thee carts where a new writ was boned,
by steamerfuls were not respectable traitora the severity with which the committees of the house now
.of the lowest class, and to give each the right of treated these matters would have a most beneficial
,appeal to the Queen in council would keep the effect, for the agents of the new candidates
council constantly sitting. would be very chary in all probability of again
ale Minnie of LANSDOWNE said, that if they were not resorting to means which, if inquired elite>, would only cause
respectable traitors " (laughter) they would not be able to their principals to be again unseated. (Hear, bear.) The
'r the expense of such an appeal, hen• gentleman had pointed out that at all events there
. Earl of EL ouch
:aid he would not op- were 1,500 101. householders at Derby who bad not been
clause as it appeared to be useless. shown to have at all participated in the alleged corruption of
few words from Lord ROLLAND in opposition to the freemen.. but, admitting their innocence, after what the
-hich were very indistinely heard, committee hail stated of the probable extent of corruption
exile of LANSDOWNE felt it nieelsary to say a ernong a large body of the mstimency, it certainly seemed

highly desirable that there should be some further inquiry bill he would be compelled to Wile his warrant within ten
into the conduct of that body before they were again allowed days, or the whole proceeding would fall to the ground.
to exercise the franchise. (Hear, hear.) Ile could admit, This was certainly in favour of the subject. (Hear, hear.)
however, that the initiation of this inquiry was the peculiar Mr. REYNOLDS thought the hon. and learned gentle-
duty of government. He had, in 1819, as an independent man had given a satisfactory resson for the substitution of
member of the house, quite unconnected with office, taken the six days for the three, but cot why the magistrate
up the case of the borough of Orampound, and subse- should have the information lying ten days at his office was-'i
quently of other rotten boroughs, and he had found that the out giving notice to the defendant. He would propose O- II
prosecution of these cues had involved him in au substitute " two" days for "ton."
expenditore of time, which, deeply oocupied SW he now was Mr. HintelE also considered that as soon asthe magistrate
with the business of government, he could not now devote was eatiefied that the offence had been committed the war-
t* the subject. tie thought, therefore, that it would be bet- rant should issue.
ter for the noble earl or some other member of the house to Mr. HENLEY was of a different opinion, and contended
undertake the matter. He had certainly the other day that the proviso as it stood was in favour of the subject.
proposed a bill with reference to Horsham, and he had done The magistrate ought to have the opportunity of consider.
so in consequence of the distinct desire manifested to that ing whether the matter charged amounted to a felony or not, I
effect by the house. He should, in the present co-se, limit and if within ten days he was not satisfied that it did, it
himself to the expression of his decided opinion that the writ would be at an end; if, on the other hand, be should be of
should bear.)eed until. farther inquiry bail been made. opinion that the offeeee had been committed, he might issue I
(hear, hea At the same time, he would remark that it his warrant immediately. (Hear. hews) I
would be a proper question fur the house heseafter to coast- Mr. BRIGHT complained that the proviso as drawn was
der for how long a period writs should be suspended ; for contrary to the understanding the house had come to on
hills might go on in thatihouee till the end of July before Friday last. He thought it was but just to the party
they got into the other house. This, however, would be offending, that as it now was determined to make his words
a matter for future consideraton. lie wouldr,
repeat that, the grounds of a prosecution, he should have notice, and not
while he did not think this a case calling for aisfranehise. be left in ignorance to repeat the offence.
ment, like that of Great Yarmouth, it was a case fully justi. Mr. VALLEY understood the object of all parties the
tying the suspension of the writs until further quiry. other night was to secure to the stewed party the earliest
Sir R. PEEL hail heard the observations of the noble information of what he was accused of. This would not be
lord with great satisfaction, entirely coneutring as they diet done if a delay of 16 days were permitted between the com-
with his own views after an attentive perusal of the evidence mission of the offence and the Aiming of the warrant. He
in the Derby ease. . He certainly thought it quite out of the should move to substitute the word " forthwith" for the
question fur the house to imue the writs until there bad been ten days.
further inquiry into the matter. He would give no opinion Mr. MOORE was also of opinion that the warrant should
at present as to the disfranchisement of the borough, or even issue forthwith on the filing of the information. lie could
of the freemen. There were many freemen, it would appear, conceive that the delay might subject the accused to
who had resisted temptation ; but there was a manifeet case treachery. It was also essential for the interests of those who
for inquiry upon which to found a future opinion. It was might be deluded by seditious speeches into treasonable acts,
most essentiol to give the great constituencies a distinct that the earliest intimation of the intention of government
lemon and to teach them that the house was determined to to prusecute eheuld be given.
apply .the same principle to them as to the small constituen- ?dr. MU NTZ objected to men being kept ignorant of the
cies, and to assign to both alike the same punishment for the charge made against them, and thought the warrant should
same malpractices. (Hear ) The committee, he perceived, issue immediately. This was the more important as the
reported that there bad extensively prevailed at Derby, during Attorney•Geneml had, on a former occasion, said that his
the past election, a system of treating and of inducement object was to keep men in ignorance of any charge being
w hick though not coming under the technical definition of bri- made against them, in order that crime upon crime might
' 'el been denounced and prohibited as practical bri- l
eery, oe accumula'
nen Ise a intents oleo, the nnlee lord onleoft... ~...or,/ in The ATTORNEY-GENERAL had ne.e:e fle such state-
IS te, egeinst paymeut to electors before, at, or duriog meat. What he had said was, that though the words uttered
elections, of head money, or any valuable considetatien, or t on one necasion might not be evidence of a felonious intro-
payment of whatsoever kind or form, for voting or not inform tion, yet these words coupled with other words used on other
voting. It appeared that this system, as an old usage, had Lord INGESTRE said his motive was to obtain some coca:eons might be sufficient to justify a prosecution.
largely prevailed at the last election for Derby, there being idea of the expense attending the preparations made for Mr. DRUnIMOND and an hon. MEMBER whose name we
numerous cases proved of tenons receiving ;es. a day for Monday the loth inst., in order to show those persons who did not ascertain opposed the amendment.
nominal services on nominal seuemittees, in direct contra- made so great a clamour about the taxes, what he expense Mr. COCKBURN observed that, under the law none
vention of the statute. (Hear, hear.) He called upon the of such escapades was. stoo when a case of fe was made out before a mishouse to carry out the principle of equal justice, which their WELSH EDUCATION. stood,he had no option barony to commit. The offencescommittees in all the cases entrusted to them, had acted Dlr. lIUME asked Sir G. Grey whether any steps were templated by this bill were political offences against the
upon, in total oblivion of all party considerations or preju- being taken to remedy the deplorable state of ignorance eovernment ; and it was proper that the power of institut-
dices. lie would suggest the appointment, by bill, of a which the reports of the commissioners had proved to exist ing prosecutions for such offences should rest with the
commnsion to proceed to Derby ; and if this commission in some parts of Wales ? government, and not be loft to private individuals. As he
should tend that there hail been a large amount of corruption Sir G. GREY said that the reports had been placed under understood this provite, the magistrate was not to commit
on the part of the freemen, then let punishment take its the care of the Committee of Education of the Privy Conn- unless government lint decided on prosecuting. (Hear,
course. Ile trusted that government would giveits Rothe- the the government was very anxious to take some steps in hear.) In that case this clause woe a salutary protection,
rity to the appointment of such a commission. (Hear.) matter. and, so far from infringing the liberty of the subject, it was
Mr. EVANS recalled to the house that the committee Mr. WILLIAMS staked if the commissioners whe mok a safeguard and a protection.
had not in this else, as ia that of Great Yarmouth, recom- evidence and reported on the etate of education in Wales, The ATTORNEY-GENEItAL said his hon. and learned
mended die tranchieement. Ile would, however, readily as. understood the Welsh language friend was correct as to the intention of the clause. It was
sent to a motion for turther inquiry. Unlees he had some Sir (i. GREY said they had been *misted during the in- most aesirable that the magistrate should have the powe ,by
assurance that an etheient inquiry was made he should divide quiry by a competent Welsh scholar. not being compelled to issue his warrant immedia
tely, of
the house no the motion.CHARITABLE FUNDS. considering whetker a cam was made out sgainst the accused,
Sir R. INGLIS said
that the right hon. baronet the mom- Mr. Ille ME asked if any bill on this sub,ect was to be ex- and if this was not done within ten days the matter would
tierl
for Tamworth had shown conclusively the guilt incurred petted during the present session ? drop.
hy the freemen of Derby, under the act of the sable lord Sir G. GREY said that the Lord Chancellor was in charge Mr. MARTIN thought eome means should be taken for
informing matins against whom proceedings were concern-
(J. Russell). But the question was ono of proportion, and of a bile, which he would introduce in the other house of
plated that they were watched, and theirs peeches taken
what the house had to decide upon war whether the num- parliament. THE QUADRANT. down.
bar of guilty persons was so great as to, call for the punish-
ment of the whole constituency of the horough. He believed In answer to a question from Sir D. L. Eveles, The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought it necessary that
there had not been found more than 18 person' guilty of Lord MORPETH said that his learned friend the Attar- a power should be given to the magistrate to interfere in
bribery amongst a constituency of 1,600. It ought to be re- soy-General was charged with a bill on the above subject. cases of emergency, though no prosecution would issue until
collected that the house was sitting judicially, and in that EASTER RECESS. the government had been consulted. It should be remeca-
capacity he was prepared to amen that there was net eve- Lord J. RUSSELL, in accordance with a promise given breed that the words did not constitute the offence, but were
dance though to induce him to deprive the borough of Derby by him to the noble lord the member for Falkirk on a former merely evidence of it. The offence was the design to over-
of its franchise. lie, therefore, called upon the house to eveninz, would state the course ho would propose tothe throw the government, aid though the words of one sprees
maintain its practice, by ordering the writ to issue. house to follow with respect to the adjournment during the might clot prove such design, coupled with the words of sub-
Mr. STANTON said that Derby was one of tee purest of Easter recess, subject of mune to the progress of the Crown sequent speeches, they mighteeln this respect the magistrate
the boroughs, and if the guilty freemen in the recent elee- and Government Security Bill. 14e proposed to move that should have some discretion whether the guilt charged had
lion were punished justice would be done, whereas it would the henna should adjourn on Wednesday next uatilthe Setae- been incurred or not. To inform the suspected party that
be exceedingly unjust to puliject all the electors to disfran- day following, and from that day until Monday the Ist of his proceedings were watched would afford no protection to
chieement by suspending the writ. May. the innocent while it would enable the guilty to ems e
Mr. COLVILE said that the borough ought not to he die CROWN AND GOVERNMENT SECURITY BILL. Mr. S. CRAWFORD said one objection hard 'been
raised, which appeared to him not to have been answered,
franchised forth. sake of nine persons who had been proved The report of this bill was brought up.
to have accepted bribes. On the motion that it be received, namely, that warrant+ might be issued 16 days after the
Mr. MACKINNON supported Ole motion for the issue of Mr. AGLIONBY moved tho insertion of the following words were spoken. Surely the number of days ought to be
the writ. clause :reduced.
Mr. HUME rose, but was met by cries of " spoke." The And be it enacted, that if any person whatsoever, after the passing The house divided—Ayrese
of this Let, shall, within the United nimidem or without, compass,
lion. member handed the remit of the Derby election pct!- N
imagine, invent, devirw, or intend to deprive or depose our most gra.
tOri committee to Mr. BRIGHT asked if there would be any objection to
cious lady the epicene, her heirs or aucusuors, from the st3le, honour,
Dr. BOWRING. who read from the report a passage or royal :name of the imperial crown of this United Kingdom, or of add a clause to the bill, providing that the powers of the
which stated that 2tlo persons had attended in order to get soy other of her Majeatylii dominions and countries, or to levy war act should never he put in force, except it the instance of
the law officers of the crown ? He should move that words
their five shillings a day. That was a sufficient answer to against her Majesty, her heirs, or successors, within any part of the
the lion. member for South Derbyshire. United Kingdom, in order, by force or coriatraint, to compel her or to that effect he added to the last clause. (Hear, hear.)
themat to change
rc, Ina,,r, or their m,casurnmearrdeTtnocilkti.orittorodreoryto put
Mr. A. STAFFORD suggested that as the hands of thetere The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he was sorry he
government and of the hon. member for Montrose were ..!
quite full, perhaps as the right hon. baronet the member for oorh homes, or either house or pal rliament, or to move or stir anyw could not concur in this amendment. The proviso would
foreigner or stronger with force to invade the United Kingdom, or have the effect of preventing private prosecutions; but pri-
Tamworth had no party to lead, and was other, ice quite any other her StOty's dominions or countries under the obeisance rate persons could not be prevented from issuing the war-
unoccupied inn spect to public affairs, he would have no of her Majesty, her heirs, or suceeseoni, and such comparainga. rant ; and the consequence of that would, be to cast on the
objection to take charge of the measure for purif, ing the imeginanoun invention', devices, or intentions or any.of them, shall government the responsibility of e arrying on, or re-
borough of Derby, more particularly as he had uttered such etthernealf‘.l,%'iet orenylelregytycninwnZeent= Xdatki?Cal'eel; linquishing, private promeutions.
magnanimous sentiments on the subject of purity of election. b'e apprel.eialefl '"iuZl to be committed to prison, and to be them kept Mr. HUME said, in the case of the Stage Coach Act, the
Sir G. GREY agreed that it was the duty of thew who without gas; Of inainpriae until discharged by due course of law, and government permitted the introduction of such a clause as
opposed the issue of the writ to charge themselves with the being con, feted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court this, and if they consented to it in the cam of such a bill
task of conducting some inquiry with a view to bringine in before o Web such person shall be Si convicted. to be imprisoned with sa that, surely they could not refuse it in such a case as
some measure for purifying the borough of Derby. 'rho or without
.hard latio.iir for sny term not csceeding two years.
The A 1 TORNEYOENERAL objected to the clause. the resent.
government certainly could not charge itself with such a
If the house agreed with his hon. and learned friend in own .
Mr. MUNTZ said that where there was spite, as in his
task. A COrntilisSiOn might be appointed ti go into an
making the offence recited misdemeanor it would be case, it was net the fear of costs that prevented persons
from proweutina or persecuting.
inquiry on the spot with this view. He hoped that some boa.
traversable, and thus defeat the end the government had in Mr. AGLIONBY thought the government ought to step
member would feel it to be his duty to come forward with a
view namely, prompt prevention and punishment. Another .
in to prevent malicious or spiteful prosecutions.
specific proposal for that purpose. In the meantime he would
objection he had was, that while, under the law as it stood Lord J. RUSSELL said that though there might be good
vote against the immediate ague of the writ, although he
at present, the power of imprisonment was given without
was not prepared to suspend it for an indefinite period.
limit, and of nuing to any amount, hon. proposed reasons for leaving a public prosecutor, he did not think it
his friend
Mr. F. O'CONNOR did not think a case for disfran-
to limit imprisonment to two years and to abolish the power was desirable that in cases of high treason they should have
such an officer in opposition to the ordinary custom. If they
chising Derby had been made out. were to have a public prosecutor at all, he might be an officer
of fining altogether.
Lord INOESTRE said that all the writs now suspended
Mr. HUME. would support the clause as a mitigation of a having jurisdiction in cues of every description.
of to inue, subject to an inquiry into the guilty practices
of the voters, and then a bill having an ex post facto effect most coercive taw- . Dr. BOWRINCi thought the utility of a public prosecutor
Mr } . O'CONNOR did not see any value in the objection
ought to be parsed, fur distranchising all those freemen and
ra. • , ,
voters who hail taken bribes. raised] by the Attorney-Generau. It a party traversed at the Mr. WAKLEY said there was not • word of opposition
Mr. EVANS expressed his tight to withdraw his end of one assize, he would only doom himself to eight to this proviso on the part of the zealous and indefatigable
months' additional imprisonment previous to its successor.
motion. supporters of the government who sat opposite. (Hear.)
M lel •and S C •severally d
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Mr. COLVILE claimed the right of dividiun the house. aisn". ' 'NTi
He hoped therefore they would consent to introduce the
The gallery was then cleared, and the house divided. [stir
The
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For the issue of the writ 43 Sir 0. GREY said, practically the government would
Against it
SC li LES W IG-HOLSTEIN. Sir W. CLAY brought up the following amendment and • •
man ought not to have made a contrary statement.
clause :
On the gallery being opened, Mr. 13ROTHERTON remembered a case where certain
In clause n line IG, to omit, after the word .writicg," the follow-
Mr. WHoSON put the following questions to the Secretary lag words, "or by open and advised 'speaking," and to odd the fol. parties desired to prosecute a paper at Manchester. They
for Foreign Affairs : Waring clause to the bill, in lieu of the words so omitted i —And be it appealed to the government, and the government refused to
Whether any conimunicedon bee been received from the Danish enacted, that if any person shall, at any time after the pissing of this prosecute ; but, nevertheless, the parties proceeded with
gosernment, on the subject of the entry of the Prussian tomps acthave been held to bail for a misdemeanor in respect of seditious he peewee",
into Holstein, and with the object of soliciting the interference words or speaking, and shall be again charged with a second or sub- The. ATTORNEY-GENERAL said if such a case
of this country by mediation or otherwise; and whether any sequent offence of a like kind, it shall he lawful for the juatioe or other .
existing disputes between Sebleewig-liolstein and the government ut
Copenhagent - vent every vulgar trader in sedition from being invested with The house divided—For the proviso.... ..... 49
an adventitious importance. Agsinst it l7O-121
, The hon. member said that the merchants trading with Sir G. GREY said that the hon. baronet's amendment, if Capt. lIARRIS then moved a clause, the object of which
the Elbe should be blockaded -by the Danish naval forces, member for Cockennoutb. lie must oppoee the one as be land of pikes and similar hostile weapons. The hon. mem-
and there were very good reasons for their fears, considering had opposed the other. ber said if one half of what was stated in the public prints I
that Altona, which adjoined the free city of Hamburg, was a Mr. BRIGHT approved of the bon. baronet's amendment, of that day was true the government were very culpable in
Danish settlement. He had another question to put to the and if a division took place should certainly vote for it. He allowing the house to adjourn for Easter without taking
noble lord, of which he had not given previous notice, but thought that government would do better in trusting to the measures to disarm the rebel population in Ireland, The
to which perhaps the noble lord would be able to give him good feeling of the people of England than by insisting on all P
an answer. By letters received that morning it appeared the coercive provisions of this bill. ike was not a defensive weapon, and it ought to be declared I
an illegal one, which was in fact the object of his clause.
In has been received by the government a the eepeeted magistrate, before whom he shall be so charged, to refuse to admit occurred whiht he was in office he should have no hesitation
blockade of the Elbe, should the Germanic confederation con- aura persona) bail on such second or suesequentebarge. in instantly entering a stole prosequi.
Untie their interference between the King of Denmark and The hon. baronet said he considered that his amendment Sir D. L. EVANS reminded the right hon. gentleman
his subjecte in Itoletein ; and whether any steps ham been taken, and would answer every necessary purpose, while it would that he was not always to be in office.
pre-
what, by thin government, to secure an amicable eettlement of the
Hamburg were in a state et apprehension lest the mouth of inserted at all, should have come in before that of the hon. was to empower the government to disarm the people of Ice- '
that the Prussian troops had teemed the Eider lido the Mr. AGLIONI3Y feared that the only effect of the clause Sir G. GREY said he must be excused adverting at pre-
duchy of Schleswig-Holstein, which did not belong to the would be to inflict a more serious punishment on a certain sent to the state of Ireland or to the information published
I Germanic confederation, and also that
into Hanoverian and mass of offences than was intended by the original bill. by that morning's papers, which was no doubt in a great
Brunswick troop' had crossed the Elbe rder to join the After some further eonversation the house divided— degree exaggerated. The object of the clause was not Con-
Prilasian forces, and to comperate with them in suppressing For the clause
the disputes between the Prussian and the Danish people. Against it
Had the noble lord received any confirmation of those The amendment conceded by the Attorney-General on •• Mr. DISRAELI thought his hon. and gallant f: fend
letters ? previous evening, to the effect that eaformations must be (Capt. Harris) was justified in bringing forward his proposn
Lord PALMERSTON said that the government of her sworn within six days after the commission of the offence, tion ; but atter the expression of opinion which had beta
Majestyhad received several communications from the Danish and the magistrates warrant issue within ten days from that made on the part of her Majesty's government, and the dm
aid Prlissilln governments on the subjects in question, and period, was then brought up. claration that the subject eneaged their daily attention, he
he was in communication with both those powers ;to whom Mr. F. O'CONNOR said thatno ene could swear accurately hoped his hon. and gallant friend would not press for a divi.
her Majesty's government had intimated a desire that their to words six days after they were spoken. He would under- sion, ae it would be likely to create a false impression upon
good offices should be employed in bringing the differences take to report • six hours' debate, even if it were on the the country.
existing between the Prussians and the Danes to a inns
ac-
budget, giving the regular order of the speakers almost Mr. HUME, in an ironical tone, sail he thought it WAS •
tory and amicable conclusion. it had been intimated to literally, but he could not do it en the expiration of six days. great pity that the government did not listen with favour to
bath those governments that if the good offices of Great (A laugh Ile complained of a law which did not stop a the only suggestion with reepect to the bill which had been I
Britain could he of service in this respect, her Majesty's mi. min at once when doing wrong, but literally laid a trap for made by hon. members sitting on the other (the opposition) I
nisters would gladly employ them. Ile was in hopes that him, so that be might convict himself. The right hon. benches, especially as those hon. members had ea -reed the
this offer would be accepted. Nothing could be more de- baronet might depend upon it that if this bill passed the government in all the divisions which had occurred on the
placable than to see the peace of Europe endangered by a tenure of the government was not worth tea days' purchase. measure. He thought the clause proposed would make an
question of such a nature as that at us .
•ue between the Prus- Mr. AGLIONBY observed, that what had laUen from the excellent finale to the bill.
suns and the Danes, and he entertained a hope that hon. memberfor ottma amnothing todo with the
Isl • h tad Lord J. RUSSELL said, notwithstanding the ironical tone
that clanger might be averted. With respect to any intimation clause under discussion. (Hear, hear.) In his opinion, the of the hon. member for Montrose (Mr. Hume), he (Lord J.
having been received that the Darish government would proviso now proposed by ministers, pausing over that part of Russell) did not hesitate to say in male arnest that he wee
reeott to naval operations, it was meet probable, ifhoetilities it which related to the issuing of the warrant, went to miti- very thankful and exceedingly grf for the support he
I did continue, that the Daues, being strong at ma, would en. gate the severity of the bill ; but tothe extension of time from had received in this measure from hon. members appetite.
hopi.d, peace was maiutained, the ieterruption to the corm and the issuing of the warrant he decidedly objected. The that it bad arisen from the belief entertained that the go- !
mime of the Elbe referred to by the hon. member would not warrant ought to issue immediately after the lodging of the vernment were pursuing a course that WAS louoly called for '
take place. lie had not received any official information of information on oath, because the greater the delay the by the existing state of things. (Hear, hear.)
the Prussian troops having crowed the frontiers of the duchy greater would be the difficulty in obtaining evidence to con- Capt. HARRIS said, after what had been said he would
of Schleswig in a- hostile manner, but it was certainly not tradict the report on which the information was founded, withdraw the clause.
improbable that such an occurrence should have taken place He admitted that time should be given to transmit the Mr. lilnnlE said he had intended to have moved to ex-
in conformity to the information that had been received. report to the authorities, and for them to decide whether a punge the odious words " open and advised speaking '' from
Mr. DISRAELI said that by A former treatrEnelend had prosecution should issue or not, but a day or two would be the third clause. Though nothing he had heard had les-
guayanteed to the crows of Denmark the integnty of the sufficient for that purpose. sened the impression on his mind of the unconstitutional
duchy of Schleswig-llolstein as part of the Danish kingdom. Mr. REYNOLDS also objected to the extension of time. character of the bill he would not trouble the house with
He wished to know whether the court of Denmark had At present the law required the magistrate to halm his another division, but would reserve his opposition till the
called upon the noble lord to fulfil this guarantee? warrant isi all cases of felony instanter, but if in prosecutions third reading.
I deavour to cripple the PrUnian commerce, but if, as he six to sixteen days between the commission of the offence (Hear, hear.) lie knew no reason for that support except
Lord PALMERSTON was understood to reply that the arising under. this bill he were permitted to withhold it for Mr. DISRAELI was net surprieed at the ironical tone of
goarautee stipulated under the treaty of 1720 had beenoalled ten days after the information'he might become a pennon. the hon. member for Montroee at the present moment, when
!for on the part of the Danish government. It must, how. He should move to shorten the periodin which the in- he remembered the peculiar and novel position in which the
ever, be recollected that the interference of the Germanic formation should be lodged to•three days otter the commis- hon. member had been placed within the last few days. The
Confederation had not been offered with the view of conquest, 'ion of the-offence, and that theparrant should issue forth- hon. member was at the bead of a numerous but not very
but in order to settle an internal question that had arisen with. well-disciplined army, and he could not complain of not
between the Danish government and the inhabitants of Mr. WALPOLE suggested the insertion of the word having sought a - fair field on which to exercise them.
Schleswignn. " only " after the mords " open and advised 'peaking," soms (" Hear," and.solaugh.) The hon. member was now really
PROJECTED PAUPER PROCESSION. to confine the delay to cases of pro.ken worth. in his Political youth, and fall of the vigour of his new
Sir J. Y. BULLER begged to sale the right hon. baronet The ATTORNEY-GENERMe.was willing to •adopt the birth. He was about to enter into a more active career, and,
opposite whether he could give the house any information on suggestion as to the word " only ;" but with regard to the with a considerable interval of practice with his new forces,
the subject of a projectesi procession of 100,000 paupers to be proviso generally, contended that it was more favourable to he might meet with success. (" Hear," and laughter.)
headed by Mr. C. Cochrane on Easter Monday ? - the subject than the bill as it originally stood. No one could The bill was then ordered to be engrossed, and ordered to
Sir G. GREY said that three weeks ago he had received desire that charges of this description should originate with be read a third time to-morrow.
a letter from C. C. Cochrane, stating that he had a peg- private prosecutors, and if they were to originate with the Sir Cie niREY said that, in order to proceed with the bill,
his anti non
too to present to her Majesty, and that it was government it was necessary that they should have time to he musteisk the house to meet to-morrow (this day) at 12
his intention to come down to the Home-office, accompanied consult the law °Seen of the crown as to whether the words o'clock. (Hear, hear.)
by a body of petitioners on the 2lth of Apeil, in order to spoken would justify a prosecution ; for this purpose, seeing COPPER AND LEAD DUTIES.
place it in his hands. He had, thereupon, Informed Mr. C. that the shorthand writer's report would perhaps have to The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved that
Cochrane that any address of the nature referred to might desorwarded from a distant part of Ireland to London, six the house resolve itself into committee on them duties.
be presented to 'him in the usual course by himself, at• days was not too long. With regard to the warrant, there Sir C. LEMON moved The appointment of a select com-
tended by a few penons, but that no such document
lie'com was nothing in the proviso to prevent the magistrate hieing mince to inquire into the effects of the existing duties on
panied by a large number of persons would be received. eit immediately on the information being filed. By the com- the importation and production of copper ores.
had also informed Mr. C. Cochrane that it would not be con- mon law the magistrate might withhold his warrant if he The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER resisted the
venieut for him to receive any deputation or address during pleased. (Hear, hear.) Yes, he might go on examining wit- motion, on the ground, which he laid down by • reference to
the Easter week. He (Sir fin Gee)) had received letters umtes until he should have satisfied himself that a case of the imports of this and other countries, that the maaufac-
from various poor-law unions, stating that letters addressed felony war made out ; but in prosecutions arising under this truer and workman of this country had a direct interest in

by Mr. C. Cochrane to persons of the name of Jones, and
others of the name of Smith, had been received at the
workhouses, in the hope that they would d
fin
some one of these names in the workhouses.
Those letters stated that the petition of the poor was
to be presented by the writer on Euter Monday,
accompanied by 150,000 paupers, and he hoped those
who received them would make every endeavour to
accompany the procession. Since that, he had received no
information that it was Mr. Coehrane's intention to resort to
any such proceeding as the deputation he had referred
might be
to,
and he (Sir G. Grey) thought that that individual
safely left in the hands of the police commissioners. (A
laugh.)
POST-OFFICE COMMUNICATION (DUBLIN).
the
Mr. G. HAMILTON begged to auk the Chancellor of
Exchequer whether it was the intention of government, in
consequence of the acceleration of railway conveyance be.
tween London and Dublin, to make any arrangement for the
transmission of letters for Dublin by any afternoon train, so
as to afford persons in London who receive letters from
Dublin in the morning, the opportunity of answering them,
and of the answers reaching Dublin the following morning ;
or of otherwise ate( lerating the transmission of letters be-
tween London and Dublin ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who was
very imperfectly heard in the gallery, stated that the question
put by the hon. member bad been under t. ie consideration of
the post.office authorities, but the terms of the railway com-
pany for conveying an extra mail train were so exorbitant auto
bo quite out of their power to accept. He hoped that when
the Chester and Holyhead line was finished, some terms
might be come to with that company, if not with the North
Western comp any.
SPECIAL CONSTABLES.
Lord INGESTRE asked the right hon. hart. opposite if
he could give any returns of the number of special constables
who were sworn in on the 10th instant to protect the public
peace.
Sir G. GREY said that the number of special constables
sworn in for the City was 23,000 ; but there had been no lists
male out in other parts of the metropolis, and although they
amounted to many thousands, he could not state the exact
number.
Sir It. PEEL said that many thousands who had spy
lied
to be sworn in, could not,owing to want of time; the numbers
.esecial constables were, as the right hon. baronet had
atuted, very great; but as they could only be very
f..ctly estimated, it would net be advisable to have any re-
turns made out, as they would tend to mislead and not to

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