The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-23 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, IUESDAY EVENING, MAY 23, 1848.

not Veach as,
The Berl of LINCOLN remarke that it would not be
po sible to •Id a proviso to meet they iews of the noble lord
the member fur Bath until the noble lord opposite (Lord
Moretti') had an opportunity of consulting the Chancellor
of the Exchequer and the rest of his colleagues, as this in-
vole, tl a question of revenue.
Mr MILES expressed a hope that the suggestion of the
noble lord (Lord Duncan) would eventually he acceded to.
Mr. SItOTHEKTON and Mr. S. CRAW POUD expressed simi-
lar npinio a, and
Lord MORPETH repeated that he would take the earliest
moment to consult his right hon. friend the Chancellor of
the Exchequer.
On the motion of the Notice Lotto a proviso was then
with dto the dense, to the effect that so far as related to
cellars and undo grotted tenet:news the bill should not
come into operation until 12 months after it had passed
into law, and the clause so amended was ordered to stand
part of the hill.
On clause 59. which pitmen the management of streets, &c.,
in the hand* of l wal boards, being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY .111 he observed the clause empowered
the local boards to raise, lower, or level existing streets.
Now th's might he productive t f serious damage to dwell-
ings on both sides the street so interlerr il with, and he was of
opinion that the clause ought to provide the mode by which
compensation for such damage or injury might be obtained
by the owners of the property affect.
d.
The SOLICI rou.oENERAL said this was provided for
in a sub.- queut clause; and to insert it in the clause now
under censiderution would only he to lead to difficulties in
the construction of the act.
Mr. B tINES concurred in the opinion expressed by his
h . and harmed friend the S elicitor Oeneral.
Mr. HENLEY was vitiAleil w,th the txplanation lie hail
received from toe two hero. and learned gentlemen. He,
however, thought some diffieuty would arise on another
toile whirls t' clause raised, via., what was to be consi-
dered a highway.
A long desultory and uninteresting eunveraation ensued,
in which several hon. members took part.
Sir W. CLAY c ricei.ed that the claims under discussion
taii.bodied a veil imporant imlrovement on existing local
sets, by compelviv the parties to put and keep their streets
and highways in repair.
After a conversation the dame, as amended, was agreed to.
On clause frfl,
Capt. PEC II ELI. expressed a wish hattat the words "street"
and" bighwar should be accurately .

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL referred to the chime, and Use evils ined of. He was wan:lisle nudity theme-
's° se it) be some measure the objeotions of the hon.
said the distinetilt was sufficiently pointed out.
Lord G. BEN INOK said that the clause ea it stood. Jamie r Ogforehirs.
might oceispal the carnage of unecesfpied land whit% forbad After some father cosysnaUon the &sue wea agreed to
part of a strut to orintabute to the paving of that street, with asneodniente.
although they bad no Interest to it; and in default of pay- auses to 104 inclusive were agreed to.
meat their land slight he seised and let fur ten years. ClOn clan «. 106 being put by slise Couideate,
The ATTORNEY.GENERAL said this clause did not Mr. HENLEY put it to
noteth noble lord opposite (Lord
apply to a highway. but ooly to streets opened by private Morpeth) whether he did hink looking at the hour,
individuals foth as
of the building speculation, and in the committee had goue far enough to night, and there-
that case only solar as the street was laid open situ built epee. lore that the Chairman ought now to report progress, tope-
The Earl of LINCOLN objected to the retrospective tai
Melly as it would be impossible to get through the remaining
ration of the clause. This might be remedied by omitting clauses at this sitting.
the word " present" from the fleet line of the Manse. Lord mom. win said he could not object to the sugges-
The ATTORNEY.GENERAL defended the application don of the non. member.
of the provision to those eases where streets had been The house then resumed, the Chairman reporte I progress,
opened on speculation, and where parties had been induced and obtained leave to sit again
lONB. on Thursday next.
to occupy in the belief that a complete street would be S
formed. Mr. MACGREGOR, pursuant to his notice, moved for
Mr. W. FATTEN thought the clause would inflict great the following returns—vis.
hardship on parties in large menufactuting townie who had A return of the worm of the following persons, who receive the
laid out streets as • building speculation, which speculation suer eherged egele't thelr name" from the Ye", Prnreofflon revenue,
te bang deducted !bee erre= In ha progress to the glebe.
bad afterwards failed. Still, he thought this would be a less e',.i.'ne 'Zulu., the Defoe. of the heirs of hie on. the Duke of
evil than to leave the streets in their present onfinished state. ;Lig:inherit: I
lse. Duke of Marlborough, 4,006 i.; the Duke of Oral-
Mr. HENLEY thought the power of seizing land for ten toe 2,4071. ; heirs of the Duke of Schoenberg, 2,91101.—
years was • very questionable remedy. The laud could not total, 10,30.71 10e., being the amount of the grows_ post-
and of net POSWAVII dee
be built on during that time, and no means were provided sees 00 1.413.090 letters.
for the owner to redeem the land. th- expense of 7,221,400 town; • emir: return of the
The AT'IORNEY-GENERAL said hat words would be services and duties of the foilowleg persons,
who receive an.
wally the undermentioned palm' tut
of tlei levelitte IA the erre, In
introduced giving that power. Ite progrees to the exchequer: the Duke of Omura (exclusive of
The claim, with some verbal amendments, was then annual pension otter0. Men roet-odice), 1,1911. 12a.; VIA Co
Ear
agreed to. 1,5921. Ire.; 'arg of the late Chaim Burn, being moiety of Earl
rn of the services fur
Ou clause 61, providing that certain streets might be
which the billowing 011101 are paid out of the revenue of Ireland, via• i
deemed highway!, of &Mee pemeion. 1,21101.: reel. 9,981 f. no Retu
PrinCe of Mecklenburg titnillis, 1,7701. its. 4d.; Vier mint lemmas, now
Mr S. CRAWFORD propnead to add, after the word Earl of Camperdown (exclusive of pension of 2,000 f. trout revenue
" highway," the words, " repaired be the public." of United Kingdom), WM 9e. : total. 1,773? . 111 e. 44.
The ATTORNEY.GEN KRAL said this proviso had been Lord J. RUSSELL said he could hardly think that the
considered, and was found to be very objectionable.
Mr. NEWDEGATE was anzious to throw the expense Treasure, or any other public department, could make any.
thing bee an accurate return of the services of the great
on the local board. where they ordered streets to be paved. Duke of Marlborough, but he believed there was not only a
Mr. ()RANGER thought that, in all cases, the consent hook entitled " Coze'a Life of elarlhorough," but also Neve•
of the owners ought to be obtained, before the local board ral histories of the reign of Queen Anne, which would fur-
ordered any street to be paved. lie would move the addi- nigh the hon. member with the services rendered by the
lion of words to that effect. Duke of hlarlhorough, for which the pension alluded to had
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said this might be a con- been charged upon the revenues of the crown. (" Hear,
venient course where the property belonged wholly to one hear," and a laugh.) As to the services of the Duke of
owner, but not in cues where it was held by several Sekomherg, they were well known to
Leahnybody who had read
persons. the history of the period in which ved. (Hear, hear )
Mr. HENLEY said it might be • great invasion of pri- lf, however, the hon. member wished to know to whom of
vete property to bring a noisy thoroughfare past a person's the Duke of Schomberger heirs these moneys were paid, no
noldasson doubt such a return could be procured. But of what use
Viassant tdORPETH contented to the introduction of would it he ? Orignally these sums had been paid out of
the proviso rendering necessary the consent of the owners. the hereditary revenues of the crown ; but since the legials
After a short conversation the clause as amended was ture had taken those revenues to the public account, and
*greed to, as was clause 62. had added those burdens to the civil list, he did not see,
On clause 63, relating to the laying out of new streets, after that arrangement, how thou burdens so undertaken
level and width to be flied by the local board, being pro- could now be avoided, or that the obligation consequent
posed, upon the crown's surrender of its hereditary revenues could
Mr. SPOONER sa:d be thought the commissioners ought be got rid of. He, therefore, hoped the house would not 11
to pay the landlord if more ground was taken for the making consent to grant the motion. (Heir, hear.)
of a street than was necessary for the usual purposes of a Mr MACGREGOR could not but regret that the noble
street. lord should, in the manner he had, have trifled with a ques-
The Earl of LINCOLN said that if • claim was put in for 1 :inn all cling the taxation of the country. (Oh, oh.) Ile
the landlord he would put in a claim for the occupiers and (Mr. Macgregor) had brought forward this motion as having
the health ef the inhabitant.. ( Ileac, hear.) a direct bearing upon the profuse withdrawal of money from
Lord MORPETH thought that as great diversity prevailed the public revenues of the nation, and he referred not to the
in different towns with regard to the width of the streets, it first, but to the present Duke of Marlborough ; and he con-
was better to leave the local board at liberty to consult " the tendril that if the parliament by which the original pension
geniueof displace." (Laughter.) had been voted, had been so corrupt as to vote it in per-
Mr. S. CRAW FORD proposed to leave out certain words petuilv, it was time that a reformed parliament should put
from tke clause, the result of which would be to take away in ea to tee iniquity. The first Duke of Marlborough, to
the power of appeal to the central board. whom the pension was granted, died without issue, and he
After a few words from Mr. Uuuenear against the (Mr. Macgregor) submitted there were no public grounds on
appeal, which it ought to be continued to the present duke. In the
The Earl of LINCOLN supported the retention of the same way he might speak of the pension enjoyed by the
words proposed to be left out. pis thought that there should present Duke of Grafton. If the noble lord refused these
be as little interference with local boards as possible; but he returns, the country would demand at his hands an inquiry.
thought there should be an appeal from them in canes where lie should ci rtainly divide the house.
they were likely to show favour or to be influenced by pro- The gallery WAR cleared but no division tcok place, the
ludic's. motion being (ea we understood) withdrawn.
Mr.SPOONER thought that there should he eome APP.°, Mr. SI ACG REGOIt then moved fur a return of the names
but he ob*ted that it should be to the central beard. and number of peewee, stating their duties and services, and
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that it would be ad- several appointments, who receive the Ronal sum of
visible to leave the appeal to the central board—at least for 23,2751. 6.. hid. of the revenue of the United Kingdom, on
the five years during which the bunt was to exist After its way to the Kochi quer, the same being charged as annual
that period the appeal might be to the Secretary of State. stipends and perpetual pc 'talons of her Majesty a Woods and
Mr. HENLEY did not think it was usual to give a power Forests.
of appeal in local acts. He thought the ullowing of an ap. Lord J. RUSSELL believed that the committee now
peal would imply a mistrust of the local boards. sitting on the subject of the Woods and Forests deportment,
NEWDEOA'rE opposed the appeal. could of course if they thought proper river to this matter.
Lord MORPETH could not assent to the amendment. Dr. BOW ICING remarked that a return of this kind had
The argument that an appeal would imply mistrust would heretofore been invariably granted.
equally apply to the Court 01 Quarter &satins, and even to The Earl 01 LINCOLN, as a member of the committee,
the Court of Chancery. said he was not quite sure whether this very return wag not
Mr. HUDSON did not think it fair that suspicion should one he had himself mewed for in the aggregate for the infer-
be thrown on the local boards. matron of the committee.
After a short conversation, Motion withdrawn.
The committee divided—For the amendment l9 Mr. l'ilAt%; it }WOK then moved for • return of the Warier,
Against B5-66 and duties or each person in the other of the comptroller of
The clause as amended was then agreed to. the exchequer, specifying the average &deaden-. of each
On clause 64, person, including the comptroller, to the duties of that office:
Lord LINCOLN suggested that there ought to be a power entailer return, including the mat
er,ase fur the setablishment of
of Viscount aeism the provisions of this clause. the department of the mint for the eetablishmeet of
MOlt PETH thnught legislation on that point the peymester of the forces, including the paymaster.
had better be postponed until hereafter. Mr. PARK Elt said that all the information required by
Clause agreed to. the hon. member would come before the committee on the
Clause 65 was agreed to. miscellaneous estimates.
On clause 66 some conversation arose, in the course of After • few words from Mr. bleecatetiott the motion
which, was by hews withdrawn.
Sire. GRAHAM expressed his opinion that the measure SLAVE TRADE.
had ben greatly improved in its progress through committee, Mr. 11 UTT moved that the eomniittee on the reeve trade
by limiting the powers of the central board. ( Ileac, hear ) do consist of seventeen members, and that Admiral Bowles
Ho thought it might be now further improved by limiting and Mr. Bully be added to the said oimmittee.—Agreed to.
the power of the local boards, and especially under clause 67. SEAM EN FOR TH F. NAVY.
That clause gave power to the local beanie to oblige Capt. HARRIS moved for a selectc im comm
mercial ee to inqui
re
each occupier to have a certain quantity of water in the into the supply of seamen from the ahouse, and then it gave power to tax him for the supply of her Majesty's fleet, and into the effect of the Registry and
it. He felt enured that such a power as that would Navigation Acts on that supply. If the committee were
never be Resented to by the politic, and unless very good granted he eheuld be able to prove that the navy had been
reason was given for it, he should, when they came to it, supplied with petty officers and able seamen mainly by the
be prepared to move that that clause lie struck out. apprenticeship system in the ti ailerch s rvice, while it was
Mr. SLANEY admitted the importance of giving no notorious that • great portion te bls while
ii the
more than the necessary power to the lace' beards, but the navy demoted shortly after their being entered.
67th clause *as necessary, in order to give the authorities Lord 'NOM:SIRE emended the motion.
the means of securing a sufficient supply of water far the Mr. LABOUCHtsRE opposed the motion, on the ground
poor. At this moment there were thousands of courts in that the question had already been disposed of by an Admi•
our towns, in which not one single home bad any ratty commitment of inquiry.
supply of the first necessary of life. Mr. BROTHER I'ON moved the adj 'linemen: of the
Clause 66 was then put and agreed to. On the 67th, debate.
Viscount MORPETH admitted that the provisions under After a few words from Sir G. Goer
those clauses were rather of a stringent and violeat chase- Mr. 111l0,111:11.TON withdrew his motion, and the
ter; but great evils required violent remedies.; and the i vi- main question was negatived without a division. I
dence with regard to the supply of water to the poor was eo PORT OF NEWCASTLE.
conclusive, that there could he no doubt of the neceesity of Mr. WAWN moved for a copy of memorial and an-
ample powers being given to the local booed'. At the name dices from South Shields to tke Vice Chairman of Customs;
time, he knew the impossibility of insisting on water being also, copy of agreement entered into by the deputatious from
supplied to every house throughout the country, and he Melees-tie, fieuth Shields, and North Stiielde, with the
should be contented to strike out the compulany parts of names thereto affixed and presented to the Vice Chairman
the G7th clause, leaving it only at the discretion of a local of Customs; also, copy of the vice chairman's report there-
board to insist on such supply where necessary. upon to the Board of Customs; and !etcher copy of state-
Sir J. GRAHAM said his obj. Mien was to the clause in meat, whereby it has been made to appear that • roving
foto. This clause gave the most arbitrary powers. It im- will be effected by • subdivision of the port of Newcastle
posed a tax upon the poor occupier for the default of the (in addition to papers presented 4th May last on this sub-
owner, and it left the local board to impose on him any jest).
amount of tiution they might think proper. Mr. PARKER agreed to the productinn of the whole of
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought the objections of the papers, with the exception of the report of the Vice.
the right hon. baronet might hr got rid of by • modification Chairman of the Board of Customs, which was not a public
of the words, and without destroying the piinciplo of the document, but a confidential cons mmunication.
clause. With this exceptiou the retur were ordered.
Sir J. GRAHAM said no modification of phraseology The house adjourned at 5 minutes after 1 o'clock.
would remove his objection. Surely it was very bad political --
economy to impose a tax of this sort in any shape. lie ob-
jected to such interference with the concerns of the humbler
glasses.
Sir W. CLAY admitted that the powers given by the
clause were enormous, but the evil sought to be corrected re-
quired a remedy of the most stringent character.
Mr. MILES rather thought that the bill advocated by the
hon. baronet did not apply to the district which the bon.
baronet represented. (A laugh.) lie admitted that in
theory the clause was an excellent one, but it sou at the game
time impracticable from the extent to which it would inevi-
tably raise rent.
Vise. MORPETH would postpone the further considera-
tion of the clause, with a view to ascertain whether water
could be supplied at a cheaper rate.
The clause was then postponed.
Clauses 68 to 71 were agreed to without observation.
Clauses 72 to 78, both inclusive, relating to the compulsory
purchase of existing waterworks, were struck out.
Clause 79 (as to promises for the reception of the dead)
was agreed to.
Clause 80 (as to the burial of the dead) being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY wanted to know where the noble lord
meant that the dead should go, since he said they were not
to be buried in the church-yards? (A laugh.) Let the
noble lord, at all events, provide some place in which the
stead were to be deposited.
Mr. MACKINNON supported the clause, the only defect 1
of which was, that it did not go far enough in the suppres-
sion of the Intramural interment nuisance.
Vise. MORPETII said that if the clause went se far as the
hon. member desired, it might endanger the bill. The
clause was effectual in preventing any nuisance which a sur-
rounding neighbourhood might consider to be such.
Mr. HENLEY said that unless the noble lord would con-
Rent to modify the clause so as to enable people to have
other places of interment in lieu of those taken away by the I
bill, he should divide the committee against the amendment
proposed by him.
Mr. HUDSON thogelit that powers ought to be given to
the local boards of health to provide burial places where
needed.
Col. T. P. THOMPSON said that he had a clause ready
to provide for the exigency pointed out by the last two I
speakers, which he would propose, if in order.
Mr. BERNAL said that the hon. member could not do
1
so now.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the poor ought to be had I,
regard to in respect to burial places, 6.r if they were deprived I
of their present places of interment by the bill, the govern-
ment was bound to find others for them.
The ATIORNEY.O EN EItAL euid that the question was
surrounded be difficulties, and it would be imp iseible tu pro-
vide by the bill for fresh places of interment. The Intent of
the bill was to stop interments in towns where they endan-
gered public health. But the question of providing cerno-
terie& out of the limits of the towns was one which involved
the rights of the clergy, and could not be dealt with in a
summery manner.
Mr. WILLI) was of opinion that the subject of interments
in sown'. was of too great importance to be dealt with by the
present bill. A distinct measure ought to he brought in. If
the greatest iuconve-
tnhieencel:su'meightitreit:ldt.w" agreed
to,
MACK INNON sairl that if the clause wu not perse-
vered io, the cousequence would be to perpetuate the present
system of interment in towns. lie therefore pressed the
noble lord not to yield to the solicitations of the hon. mem-
bers for Oztordshire and Sunderland.
Lord MORPETR admitted that groat difficulties sur-
rounded the question • but still he thought it was necessary
for the goTarameat to'do la mach al was posilgo to !wen

ELECTION COMMITFEES.—YESTERDAY.
LANCASTER.—Petition abandoned. Mr. Armstrong
declared duly elected.
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GENERAL COMMITTEE OF ELECTIONS.—The fol-
lowing ballots were struck .—Leieester : Sir J. Trollope, Sir
D. Norreys, Mr. Fergus, Mr. Christy, and Mr. K. Seymor ;
the last named chairman.—Cheltenham Sir 6. Philips,
Mr. H. Begot, Mr. Fitzpatrick, Mr. Smollett, and Mr. M. J.
O'Connell ; the last named chairman.
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MAILS.
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Egypt, Ades, Ceylos, India, 11011S-Korig, *C., will be made up on the
evening of the 24th May.
The nulls for British North America, and the Veiled States,
will be mane up on the evening of the 26th May.
The wile for Vigo, Oporto, Liaboo, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar
will be made up on the morning of the 27th May.
The moth, for New South Wale., Van Inman% Ld, and New
Zealand will be made up on the evening of the 3lst M 3y.an
The mails for the Writ Carnet of Africa and Medeint will be made
VP oa the evening of the 31st May.
The West India Mails, including Bermuda, Hamm Banton..
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excluding thceo for Madeira, Jacmcl, Cartimgerw, Santa Martha,
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Nirniegua, will be made up on the morning of the 2nd June.
'fhe moil. for the Ilmeila, Buenos Mite, Monte Vhlou, Bernom.
buco, Bahia, Madeira, :and Ayres, will be made up ou the
evening of the 3rd Jaw.
The overland to
for Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian bilanda,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, Bong-Kong, MA China, rig Southernie
ton, will be mode up on the morning of the 20th June.

NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS.
The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of the
Stamp-oifice, during 1847 P, to the
DAILY NEWS wee ...••••••• 3,447,003
This, we believe, is within eight per rent of the number
issued to the Morning Herald, Morning CAronsele, and
Morning Poet, ALL PUT TOORTHRIL
In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS,
Doming Paper, there were issued for the r.urainy
THE EXPRESS 778,714
Which was more, we believe, than were issuel ether to
the Globe or Manchu...l, Evening Puerta.

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LONDON, TUESDAY, MAY 23.
'fun vote on the motion which Mr. HUME 18 to
make in the Rouse of Commons this evening will let
the reformers out of doors know upon hwitowhin ma
doors
yors
or
the reformers (or professing reformers)
they can rely atpreeent. We say at present, because
there are many members of undecided character, and
trammelled by party connetious, who will play a part
just now which they will have reason to regret