The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-08 00:00:00

SICILY.

Mr. BANICKS rose to move for an " account of all ord-
nance stores returned from that department to any contractor
in the year 1848, for the purpose of being sent to the Sicilian
insurgents in arms against her M.jesty's all the King of the
Two Sicilies, with the cement of her Majesty' overn-
Milt." The boa. and learned member wad the
retina for which he moved was one wbioh affected the
character of the nation, sad for that reason he bad deter-
mined to invite special attention to the subject. It was a
remarkable fact, that in a country in which foreign as well as
domestic affairs were freely canvassed in all eleasea of society,
it was a very dißmtlt matter to secure a discussion in that home,
on mattes& connected with foreign policy. Whenever ques-
tions were raised which related to the intercourse of this
country with foreign states, it was always declared from the
treasury beach either that they were not mature for discus-
sion, or that it was too late
_to Aliens them.
If their foreign relation' were in a adisisslsey condition,
such as became the character of a greatamipowerful nation,
it might be unreaeonable to distura,thm iwriatious tran-
gaNty which had so long prevailed. Agh, boiggag, was
not the met With regard to their interims* with all those
countries with which it was their billianst and wish, as a
commercial 'Mien, to maintain antianble relations,
there . was lade wale for 11146111W1L • KO veneelred
to mare the amble lord. the Seeretery ler Foreign
affairs, that he war no lees than
that noble lemidid:ZeititaatelVerould he avoid actual
wag, Wail time este Wilk& might WA to disturb friendly
relations. sad *Mt night lead, If net to 'legality, at lead
to i l.will. In the sad of Speia eery sheet rowers were
farmerhf Oven to all-the questions par tb--the noble lord
(Least POWnWises) with regard to the Madan Imorosn the
two ementeleal bet at last- the British mutter war as-
mired hoe the' emit of Spain under drensedmoes which
lea novas -been eeilleiestly explained. Be submitmd a
nation ea that sabjest in the maths, June last year ; but
he area laid by new high ntherilise is• that hoed that

its latrodutioa wet premature, sad, In point of fact, the no-
ble k rl (L..rd Palmate') by rho mils* which he took did
set g.ve kite an opportiatity of pressing it to a divialm. If
that motion were aressatsss be would like to know whin the
time of matur.ty would arrive. (Laughter) Those were
rumours un the sehjest everywhere (inept is the nous of
Comm.- no. Ntw trannotions had been hoard of illaimh-re,
at ao recent a Fat iod as last week; bat in that house the sub-
ject was neva mestiosed. Now a ainumstent• of a very singu-
lar noun bad iris* which compromised it. character of
this coaatry, not only with the King of the Two Bid-
tut with every civilised power which acknowledged the
of a solemn treaty. The Kieg of the Two'
having takes the sufortosato step of Writing into
his dominions • noble lord who had been stirrier up rebellion
at Komi, the invited* wee accepted, and the rush was,
that that noble lord's presenee—far, no doubt, from his in.
tantioa—warkod sp • state of diequist;into ono of actual re-
habs. The rosy supposition id med:ation on the part of
the nobleman to whom he referred, had, unhappily, the
Sag of Owing smileace to the =surge-at party.
Now, as to the stale of the relations of this
country with the Kkg of the Two Sicilia, at the
moment when Laed Melo% diplomatic mad= ceased,
they had no inbrinatios whatever; none had been given by
the government, and the eimleadictory 'menet' ia the pablie
papers, of cum, could set be relied upon. It did appear
flat there wee a pariell orbs which the noble lord, the
Amigo se, rotary, ramileilmi fa **Sicilian insurgents • sepa-
rate and independent state sad government ; but he wee sot
swan win therm not pt the noble lord, ever made
seek a mephitis. He meet that if Sicily bad at any
else become en inds ent country it wag not only right,
bat secestery that parliament should be ieformed of the
drags which had taken place, espeeially ma it
Linwood that Sicily was suatimed in the treaty of Visas&
Si a part of the daalehies of their ally the King of the Two
Sitars. That some change night have bun inferred from
the circumstance of that all being motioned in the speech
from the throne as " the klieg of Naples," he was wiling
le admit—(Mar, hear)—bat on such a subject parliament
eaglet not to have bees left to conjecture. Suspicion had,
however, received confirmation in a considerebla degree from
the bet that rumour had bean spread to the effect
that arms had been seat, under the authority of the
goverment, to the Sicilian iesoresate early In the hat au-
tumn ; bat before he put a qamties se the subject to the
sable lord, he certainly had not hatimhead that he was cogni-
sing of the het, much le.. that se* a trusautiou had the
sanction of • obis= minister. It was with great sarprisa
that he had heard the Foreign Secretary state not esly that
be authorised the transeetion, but teat at that memont he
SW
nothing objectionable is it. From such a statement it
was impossible not to ceselade that the noble lord
did at the time easider Sicily a separate and
isdepudent mu try. New he believed that the
foots of the cm. were thou. A spoliator employed by the
Sicilian insurgents applied to Mikan congaed with this
country's umemsats Iff the return of a certain portion of
arm whisked ashmilly been delivered and were in store at
Werdwisk banes be mai not fulfil the contrast into which
be had entered is time to *sable the insurgents to prosecute
wtk salient sanity the rebellion in which they were Cu-
pp& The ohms of the ardmisses, exercising only dee
esteass, decibel le ems* with the request without the
maim of the mask kedlibe ametery fur Foreign Affairs ;
and, though he (111 r. makes) would not pretend to say
what power that noble Ism' lad over the cranium stores,
the stern la quad= ware gives est under that noble lord's
eathwity, sad dee seepemhally thus incurred was not
dated. He (Mr. Beam) wall sat conceive of any dream-
shams under whisk t mend le he opinion be right to die
lase of arms to ismigeele spinet their lawful soverelp,
well there had bees a reeogaitios of their independence.
amok were the leek of the ass ; though then was much
mere to be said in coossaion with this Smiles queitionwhich
might at a future time game the attention of the louse.
DA as he had before observed, it wee estrusely
illfilealt to tad • proper sad convenient time be Inteoduc.
hi is that hue. any subject connected with foreign affairs.
The noble lord, imams in everything, exhibited- peculiar
ingenuity is showiest that the time for discard= lad never
seened. In his (Mr. Banku's) opinion it never would.
(Langliter.) Is wan, however, undoubtedly painful to find
that statements made in that hours had been solemnly eon-
Insaeled la soother great assembly in the face of their own
ambassador, and that it was there declared that what had
been stated on the abut in the speech from the throne
ems set headed ea fact, but was the result of untrue infor-
mants. That the noble lord had received information to
Mend his statements upon no man could doubt ; but
hulgeors had a right to isspect that nothing should be
pmemidgated talon mast which had not been previously
sahMentiatod. He had eaderstood that to the substance of
hi motion no objection was felt by the noble lord ; he
amid adhere to its terms because he thought it
dashable that the whole truth should be stated.
Lard PALIIIIIti3TON said—Sir, as the has. gentleman
lee mated I have so objection a modals the papers for
whisk he has moved, provided he wffi omit--esd if he will
net, I shall all upon the house to unction the onsimios—the
latter words of the motion which is before us. I object to
the concluding words, becalms they Imply opinions as to the
merits of the questioos pending between the Sicilians and
he Kkg of Naples, which I think this bon= is not at pre-
sent in poseeelse of sufficient information to pronounce, and
which, at ea events, ought not to be gives incident.
a mils of this kind. (Haar, beat.) I
ban *mho% no objection to give an " account of
all hate,
mass," Re., sent to Sicily, emitting the
weeds, " sent to the Milks ointments in arms against her
Nisty's ally, the NW tithe Two Sicilia, with the consent
of ter Majesty's gounimesh" Now, sir, the hoe. sad
learned member somplobs het there never is a fit and
proper thus far idarsig brags affairs la this bum He
says that while mailers are pending members of this hones
are called upon by members of her Majesty's government to
abstain from disemeleg pending affairs, and that when they
ere settled, then they are told that the time is gone by.
Now, sir, I must at all events compliment the hon. and
learned member en having found a time, whisk to him at
kern, is pentlierly proper and fitting for the digestion
of foreign policy, namely, • time when he is totally
Et of the saner of which he is speaking.
ter.) I an "Oh understand that the hon. sal
member Mg urea that the most convenient time
hime== the kenos his crude views founded on
of matters which are pending, is when the
hash set is gememba of that Information which would
embie thistle OM* the fallacy of he hem and learned
semelest's atlases, and le espies the immeshes of the
hilmastien-sawilithe h wimp I therefore compliment
the hen. and lemma gentlemen on his having solved the
dlllealty miler whisk he was previously labouring, and on
W laving had a time peculiarly opportune for the discla-
im of foreign affairs. (Laughter.) But, Sir, I wholly
dim a mead asertion which the hen. and learned
=saber has =ie. If ilsonsises urepaed on mature
masted with iatrhalls at a moats:
when it would be imendimaglit duly of sf the govern-
ment t, praise the rpm whit It wseltas information
ale the tie. Male ef Ulm silioss, I allude that it
I OM duly of pt pommeled te Aeolis% seek elms-
simma. te eater gm • dissusim of pestikshadttsmactions.
Di I utterly deny that I have =p Mt ar any ob-
jetties to the production of the papers rola/as le *reign
meatus, after the trannotioas themosine have all ter-
minated. It is perfectly true that when motions
MN that of the hasciarable sni homed uterine
lam been introduced. founded epos the Modest of the im-
manent, thew by whom they wen heeraght *award have
at found it sesnakst to renew dues 'Au the details have
been sabusittei to the bsuse. ("Ness, beer,"osi iseghter.)
In owe cams it is net we who ime wig dm it was act the
peeper time be iismodea, but Ors who wasted to attack
us have hod Mai II wet not peeper and seammient: to do
se when the hams weeia pemosien at dm real state of
stairs. (Hear, hem) New eir, thous is a fond&
mental diffuses. of °pleat between the hon. and
keened amber and myself, upon the princitmet:
which he has adverted. The hon. and
member considers that ell prom who take up um
in vindication of their rising me insummth and rebellious
subjects. The hon. and lamed swabs, evidently belongs
to that ancient school of political destine which aeknow-
kart
A right divine In wogs to gam wring.
(" Hem, hecr," and shows.) The hen. and keened sesis-

els to give advice when it abed; sad its *dyke, I esa
.a the hr. sad Mantel gentlemen, is valued and
not spurned and eortsewd. (' Hese' and elteersrallidr,
the hoe. and learned gentleman has adverted to our state
el nos-interowse with Spain. Why, sir, the papers were
laid on the table tempest, sad It was competent to the hon.
gentleman at the time to make say motion that he thotnht
proper. If he did net do so, let him net cam say blame
epos us ; but rather let usamert that be did not de so, be-
aus* he wad that there was no ground ea whisk sa *d-
angers» attack weld be made upon the goverment. The
bawl a was not wanting, and whesever that furbearenes
el which the hoe. and leased genthrew boasts is exhibited,
I will take credit on behalf el the goverment to
this extent, that it is became the.» is no tangible
Caof attack. (" Hear bear,' and laughter.)
bal. gentleman hasktzi..... memosel Only a few
cloys ree the bon. end ed whim it
lages Hiatel Irsiiiiimlarlig= were &pied, and
whoa it wee the/ seised he have slat end only the der
p y
beam sterday I told him thee be medearels were sive&
os the 17th Deember, that the ..hi. feud arrived at Naples
as the 6th Felmary, and }.magi his animist's the sea
day; yet, in the face et ids staraier, the boa and leaned
member sow says that my male Mead arrived at
Naples in DeeemM, sal ma then and there tbe
cause of the rift** at Melds% which Mk
place in January, before my sable Mend remind
Naples. (Hear, hear.) I reject wish &ebb, so the pea Of
my noble the *ergs wider the am sad km& leer
deism his aesdememiea to adlfllle spree Mar, of hating
been employed reign.ly in whim labiate a»beam
against their sover
BANKER.-1 sold PM the natrary. (Oh ! oh I) I
said that suit bad bees, set the intention', but the effect d
the noble lord's proceedings.
✓ietnam PALKIRSTON.—The hes. sad learned gen.
Simon le se seassamed notes wines the sleet which he
latim&—(glost leseghter)— be is nemewhat too ready
Millibar the maw misfortune »foot people. (Laughter.)
However, I deny the effect alike with the intention.
(Hear= It is sot truers
that " noble friend's presence
with** effects embed to it by the hon.
wan
atlesma Lend Mints, wherever he went, was eminently
medal Is &Wing together hada parties and is giving
Wm. lobes se Wired ' the We seemels ; progrem wee
dierbaly a peeress of wee end melliation, and sot,
as
mad. a 'regrew of ammeirm sad agitation. The hon.
pahlemon, wasps. Imams» suggest WI my noble friend's
visit se Rams in the semsermement of het year wee the
ems of the Abets wised in the autumn of that yew
0011 the beg kg ad di0,11.4 the Mn sad learned part-
isan wild ban some • Menlq in malting out such a ma-
&dead* the dimple »ma *et there is no consegies
whim[. I repeat what I said ca a forms maim, that
Lori Mina's Landmass in the disputes between the King
of Naples—er of the Two Similes, if the hon. gentleman en
prelmei—wes at the distinct request of the king himself ; if
the latoremies was not suomesird, it Ina sot the fault of her
Majesty% pmenamt. The hoc. gentleman seems to misread
treatise in a reemeitable way. He says the treaty of Vienna
maim some gerroatee to the King of Naples or—however
the title then runs—of the kingdom of the Two &ales;
ha all it does in this rupee is that, by the 104th article, the
Insser tee/mime fa the kiag the right to re-eater into pos.
mien of his Neapolitan dosinions, and recognises in him,
further, the title of King of the Kingdom of the Two M-
R» Doss this acknowledge in him any title to alter
the constitution of Sicily ? Surely not. (Hear, bear.)
At the time the King of England assumed the
title of King of Frame, it by no means followed
that say foreign power »cognising in him this title recog-
nised in him also the power to alter the constitutiem d
Freers. (Hear hear.) As to the wags' guest's's, the
he member timid better have emir the convenient*
of the house, though not his own, hed be waited until the
papers developing the whole fade el the seem woes babes
parliament. (Hear, hear.) Whoa the benee
pmasseloa of the details, they will dad it des*
tad that throughout the affair it has be.
the earnest desire' and endeavour of her Ma-
jesty's goveramat a engin» the ennuis. Wire=
Naples end Sicily, sad to retain the two crowns ea the game
head. (Hear, hear.) Whatever the views or peribilitim
that varying circumstances have preseated to ea, it has
alma been our aim to preserve the Won of the OWN of
Slay and Naples. (Hoer, her.) I repast that I
shall have no objection to the rotas emir, m-
oiled fa the way I have mated. The trans».
tint is Marly what I described on a former evening;
namely, that a etuareeter laving appliol to the Ordnance,
swiss that be had an order from the Medias government,
sad that, to effect the more speedy emplane of the con-
trast, be Wired the return of a few iron gnus from the
Odium* which he bad supplied some time before, and
whisk he would repot* at the earliest mosent, theOrd-
nease—and net the contractor, m the boa. gentleman states
—Wed IN whether there would be any objection to th
ageormasisica. I said at ease that I did not see any—
(madam (been), and the guns were accordingly delivered.
Oa farther comiderstion, it appeared to me that
perhaps the Neapolitan government might take a different
Inew et the transaction, (opposition them) and accordingly
our Mister at Naples was told, should the matter become
the WOO el remonstrance or even observation, to explain
how the shag really imposed, that the penumbra to take
the pm Wile» given inadvertently, sad certainly with-
out say hostile feeling towards the Neapolitan govern-
ment. (Oh! oh!) The ban. gentleman, however, when
be lays it down es wholly imonsistent with practise, and
with the law of anions, for a government to furnish arms in
my way to belligerent parties abroad, does net seem to be
mine that the government of France, for example, has been
at in the habit of idling am to say persons applying
On Wm.'s* of the government stores.
j. WALSH said it was clear from the admission of the
sale dessuat that the act he had taken upon himself had
lega repudiated by the majority of hit Z
toduee. wield
appear to be a point with the noble to ammo Ms
art d iadepeadeat aim, on matters however aspirant
(Hear, hear.) ,
Mr. WOREGOR said that be had letters and dosanalb
from Naples and Sicily, which would put quite a Mow
aspect spa the medal of our government, and of the ma.
beet of the Sieftians, from the representations which I. per-
Whir quarter were inaleted upon. Most amaredly if ever
there was a eass Wheeling the noble lord's interferon*.
sad that mat empardes4,ft was theseea of Sicily as against
M riz=mtheir ;rilsis. ese hear.) As to the (Seabee
eoadnet &webfoot had been mod
adaiegis. He seid this, kaewrg the country sod
its 'sepia thsssuafly sad having the fullest sad
mat welbiatie .rasioa upon the whole subjest„
am Sat to but. He had travelled fa many lane,
.sled he the tpromens sway under which they
✓od be seneeratissuly believed that in no country be
ever seem we Velem more oppressive than it had besa
Sally,
he m exese by the Neapolitanicirassent. (Rm.
beer.) T Maniente of General F eri were slew
totally withal* haibiliea. Admiral Par er he emidemed
&have soled a mod aide part. As to the noble
be belaneithst he had done mare to maintain the vistis:sus
&mope, saes the semessesemat of 1848, than had Wm
doers under anything like Nailer eisemetanees by soy
minister who ever smog& the arefo affairs of this
eoustry. He said Ude hem no peresnal *Wag is the an,
but frees his admire to visite.* the truth by his karewledgeld
the facts.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL was delighted to hew the full se-
sognition, on the part of the noble visenant, at the right ef
Wises, so desirous, to manage their own abbrs. (Hear. I
bear.) After this recognition, ra the part of the male lord,
he fully relied upon the noble lord's vote is War of the
legislative freedom of Ireland, a country darted ewereyy mush
the MSG
ad IS alZbut whisk sought her hem
impend thall gametal mesas. As to So maim of
Lord Male, the melanoma oboarelodesd sea prr
pas of pesos At
eserliedem, it_ mowed to kW
the sestrary. At all eras, If were a mlme. of wee
he Wald,
like to hear km the sills Mona what ha no:
tics el a progress decametre' sad &mord was.
Mr. BIN= did set wedge vast this question had to
do with the feet that Pangs had bees is **habit of deal.
is eime. The point was that the govert of Ra-
ise
ned eight art to sell 'nag ter the paws ofmen their beinig
used against the alias of Inglastl. (Hear, hear.)
Mr, HUME ' his to hear from the rale