The Express.
London, England, 1847-07-19 00:00:00

MANCHESTER BISHOPRIC BILL.

On the motion that the order of the day be read,
Mr. ESCO rT gave some explanation as to the reason why,
on the preceding night, he had moved that the chairman
should report progress. He admitted that the motion was
irregular in matter and form ; he regretted that he ha] made
it; and hoped the hon. chairman (Mr. Greene) would not
suppose it was done for the sake of embarrassing him in
the discharge of his important duties.
Mr. GREENE assured the hon. member that he had met
supposed his motion was made with any such intention.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIATION) BILL.'
On the order of the day being read for the third reading
a this bill
Mr.HUME objected to one clause, the 24th, which gave
power to the treasury to alter the proportionate amounts in ,
the different departments, provided the gross amount was
exceeded. This' was a very convenient power for the govern-
ment; but it rendered the discussion in that house on the
several items perfectly nugatory. The pro;ser course would
be, if at the end of the session any excess had arisen on cer-
tain items, to state the matter to the house. It was im-
possible to make estimates strictly accurate; and this bad
led to the clause he objected to, which was introduced for
the first time last session.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, admitting
the importance of the clause, contended that it was neces-
sary to obviate the inconvenience arising from excesses on
some items and deficiencies on others. Hitherto, it had been
regularly stated by how much the estimates haefallen short;
and when this did happen, bow could the deficiency tr: sup-
plied but by the surplus on other items ? The only difference
now made was, that Instead of the parties concerned doing
this in an unauthorised war, they were now empowered to
do it with the authority of the Treasury.
Sir J. GRAHAM said the clause was certainly somewhat
new to him. Great inconvenience had arisen in past years,
from outstanding balances in the ordnance estimates 'beisig
applied to the frogrees of works in the navy, which had not
been authorised by the house. At the same time, so long as
the system of proceeding by estimates was persevered in, it
was impossible to dispense with some authority for applying
balances to make up deficiencies ; hut he objected to this
being done without an annual audit, by a duly qualified
auditor, and an annual account. Upon the application of
this check, would his approval or disapproval of the clause
depend.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
by a bill introduced last session, by the government of
which the right hon. baronet was so distinguished a mem-
ber, the system of audit was provided for, and was now the
law of the Land,—u far as regarded the army, the ordnance,
and the commissariat department.
After a short conversation, the bill was read a third time.
Oa the question that the bill do pass,
Mr. HUME canvassed at great length the proceedings of
the Tidal Harbours Commission. The state of the harbours
of this country was a question in which the whole kingdom,
end not merely one harbour, was interested. All the harbour.
In which abuses were going on, should be looked into and
the evils removed. He was a :cry the government had not
brought in any measure on the subject. Railways were
permitted to carry goods from one part to another without
paying any tax, whereas one million of money was charged
on the shipping of this country, in the shape of harbour
due*, a large portion of which went to corporations, and
was grossly misapplied. He merely mentioned these matters
with the hope that the government would prepare some mea-
sure on the subject next session. (Hear, hear.) There was
another subject to which he wished to refer, namely, public
charities. 180,0001. had been expended in making inquiries
into every charity in the country, but the information, which
filled twenty-six volumes, had not been made any use of, for
it had led to no reform or improvement. He withdrew
his bill lot session, with the hope that the govern-
,
ment would introduce a measure on the subject
this session ; they had not, however, done so, and he would
admit that they had been greatly pressed by affairs of pure-
mount importance. He trusted, however, they would direct
their attention to the subject in the next parliament—(hear,
bear) and not exempt the City of London, which had cla-
moured lordly for exemption when he brought forward his
bill. He thought there should be no exemption, but that
the trustees of every public charity in the country should
annually lay a balance-sheet before the public. (Hear.)
Sir G. GREY said a bill had bcea prepared on the sub-
ject of charitable trusts, which was intended to have been
submitted to the other house of parliament; but it did not
appear that there was any prospect of carrying it this swim.
Another reason for postponing the bill was, that it was
ia-
tended to be carried out through the agency of the judges of
the new county courts ; and they had been so recently ap-
pointed, that it would not be wise to place such additional
duties on them thus early.
After a fev observation* from Mr. S. O'Brien, Sir R. H.
Inglis, Mr. Brotherton, Mr. Divett, and Mr. Watley, urging
the necessity of the introduction of a bill on the subject,
with a view to the better administration of charitable funds,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this
conversation was quite irrelevant to the subject of the bill
before the house--namely, the Consolidated -Fund (Appro-
priation) B:ll—and he hoped it would not be continued, as it
would greatly interrupt the progress of public business.
Mr. Encore having briefly addressed the house, the bill
was passed.
ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION AMENDMEN
BILL.
The house then went into committee on this bill.

On clause 1 being read,
Sir J. GRAHAM said be would consent to the bill, if it
were limited to one session, and the government would pledge
themselves to introduce • comprehensive measure on the
subject in the next parliament.
Sir G. GREY only intended to propose the bill as •
temporary expedient. Ho hoped to be able to bring in a
permanent measure on the subject in the next parliament,
bit he could not pledge himself that it would be one of the
first measures introduced by the government.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought there would be
no difficulty in introducing a bill on the subject which would
give general satisfaction.
Mr. BOUVERIE sincerely hoped that such a measure
would be introduced.
After a conversation, in which the Attorney-General, Sir
J. Graham, Dr. Nicholl, and Mr. Eecott took part,
The clause was agreed to, as were the remaining clauses,
with some verbal amendments.
The house resumed, and the report was ordered to be re-
ceived on Monday.
BANKRUPTCY AND INSOLVENCY BILL.
The third reading of this bill was postponed till Monday.
JOINT STOCK COMPANIES BILL.
The committal of this bill was also postponed, and the
house adjourned at a quarter past three, having been de-
tained about three quarters of an hour in consequence of the
Lords not having been enabled to make • house, under the
circumstances stated in the Lords' report.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—BISHOPRIC OF MAN-I
CHESTER, Re., BILL.
Division on question of going Into committee on this 611 L—Ayes, 63,
N/M61.8.

Arland, Sir T. D. Dmdismeth,Sici. Jervis, Sir J. Russell, Lord J.
Antrobus, E. Denim. Mm. Lahreetere, IL Ryder, Hon. G.
Bannerman, A. Dania, Sir D. M.. G. E. Emden. Vat.
Baring, W. B. Kuala), W. MO. 0. C. SdlnerCkirSirWi
Benturck, Ld.G. Purgilman, Sir R. Maimulay, T. B. Stuart. J.
ilorthwick, P. Priem, C. H. ?Mule, P. Theoriser, Sir P.
Bowles, Adm. 0011 MR, J. M. Moody, E. M. Tollammire, J.
Brawn, W. Gollimnr, H. Newilmrste, C. Tubed, 11.
Buller, C. Cingipm, Bir J. Nieboll, J. Toner, E.
Cholmondelay,H.Gressa, T. O'Brien, A. Vivian, J. E.
Christie. W. D. Grag, Sir G. Parker, J. WorUey, J. B.
Clive Vim. HamOten, G. A. Plumptre, J. P. Wynn, C. W. W.
Ctileirooke,T.E. Hawn, Capt V. Plumridgc, Capt.
Cowper, W. P. Haw" B. Polhill, F. IltClll3.
Derin, J. E. Hrairmaie, Sir J. Reptae. 0. W. HW, Lard M.
Diskinien, F. IL Elam A. Rich, H. Ebrington, Visa.
Disraeli, B. J. Richards, R.
NOES.

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Aldan., W. Erseet, PI. Roebuck, J. A.
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Currie, E. MMarrares, W.

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*add be submitted to parliament for ematinulag the trlshoprice of
St. Aaaph and Bangor m scparite blaboprios.—Ayes, 132; Nom, 33.
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Antrobue, F.. Emri... J. D. S. Hamby, Patten, J. W.
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Barrisgton,Vlso. Madam, Sir D. Jervis, Sir J. Price, Sir R.
Beckett, W. East, Sir J. B. Jocelyn, Via. Reid, Col.
Bennet, P. F.iops, Sir J. Jones, Up'. 'lepton. Q. W. J.
Bentinek, Id. 0. INarlagton, Vise. Kirk, P. Rich, If.
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Baler°, 11.0. Felten* W. Micelles, W. S. Pam& J. D.W.
Borthwiek, P. Ferguson. Sir R. law, Her C. L Ruthedtird, A.
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Smalley, 11. Frown, C. If. I.cgh, 0. C. SeanourklbiLß.
Buller, C. Fuller, A. E. lemon, Sir C. Shell, R. L.
Buller, E. Clirdner, J. D. Lindsay, Col tkuserville,StrW.
Buller, Sir J. Y. Oaks& J. H. Lowther, Cot. Stuart, J.
ling, Kt. "M.O. Oore, M. Msesulay, T. B. Meager Sir F.
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