The Express.
London, England, 1851-07-22 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JULY 22, 1851.

INA the right of renvninct all obstacles in the 'my of e'er.
',et that title. . . .
the

eying *at (Herr. hear.) They did le in the ease of
me. Pram. (liras, hear.) That gentleman took no oath
at all ; he refwed to take any of the three oaths, whereas the

our position. First of all, we have an
who b'"

a former administration who tells us that the swearing upon
the Old Testament is ill,g.d. If I understand him right,
he tells us he thinks that if the hon. member fur Green-

bon. member fur 11reenswielt took two of the oath*, and the
other was area under comiilvrat on. Yet they seated Mr.
Pease by resolution, and afterwards a•ked the House al
Lords to agree to • declaratory set, which was done. Why i
were they to follow a didlrrut enurse in the case of the hem.
member for tireenwich ? (Hear, hear.) Why should
they bow in this abject manner before the House of Lords,
and ask them as a condition, precedent to a mesa.
bee taking his seat in that house, that they should agree
in the act. (Hear, hear.) Such a course was a miserable
frittering away of the privileges of the House of Commons.
(Hear, beer.) Did they suppose that because a wit-
ness objected to the word, " on the true faith of a Christian,
so help me God," the judges of the :and would allow justice
to he ointructed by a miserable sophistry of that
kind? (Loud cheers.) The judges administered the lath
in the form most binding on the conscience of the witness.
(Hear.) A believer in Buddha was sworn in the form he
believed binding, hr declared, a. in the presence of Buddha,
that he was u prej udicall, &e. 'fh is oath was ad min Late red to a
Chinese woman by the Howie of Lords (who were against the
admission of thedew)—(hear)—in a divorce case:in J u1y,1846.
When a I.iliontezan wis sworn in court, he repeated his
creed, "There is no (had but God, and Matsomet is his
prophet." In a ease in our criminal court, "Regina v.
Entrehman and Samut " (Carrington and Marshinan 218),
the prosecutor (Asaana) was called, and, on getting into
the witness hers, intincilittely knelt down, and a China
saucer having been placed in Lis band, he struck it against
the brass rail in front of the box and broke it. The crier of
the court, who swears the witnesses, then, by direction of
the interpreter administered the oath in these words, which
were translated by the interpreter into the Chinese
lan-
"You shall tell the truth and the whole truth •

wich did pronounce the words. " On the true faith of a
Chrstian,' inasmuch as he would not have been sworn on
the holy evangelist., the oath would not be a good one, and
he could not sit or vote. Thus we have one eminent law
slicer of the government who considers the New Testament
• sine qua eon. There is another who tells us that the hon.
number is at liberty to swear on the Old Testament, pro-
vided he will say " on the true faith of a Christian." That
is his understanding of the law. He says the oath will have
been properly taken by • Jew swearing upon the Old Testa-
ment, and using the words "on the true faith of • Chris-
tian." Then we have another hon. and learned g.utleman
the Solicitor-General. (Hear, hear.) What does he say?
He says that if the hon. member (or Greenwich swears
aeon the pjlToetstnehniti thoughh he
we
ill7l:ll:l4vethe
compliedwo withe true th
the law, and the oath will be a good one. Now, sir, with
the greattit respect fur the house, I do say that we
ere placed in • position of more than ordinary difficulty,
when we find the two law oaten of the crown differing
entirely from one another, and the chief law °Meer of a
former government differing from both of them. (" Hear,
bear," and cheers.) To suppose that the house must con-
sider this as a clear and obvious matter would be to enter-
tain an hypothesis which is entirely out of the ques-
tion. (Cheers.) With regard to the swearing upon
the Old Testament it does appear to me a very
rtrAnge thing that if you are convinced in your
own mind that the words " on the true faith of
• Christian" are of the essence and substance of the
oath, you should have acted as you have done. (Hear.) If
you knew this beforehand, what sense was there in
your allowing the hon. member for Greenwich to be sworn
on the Old Testament ? (Near, hear.) •. I as- • with

range. on
and the saucer is cracked • and, if you do not tell
the truth, your soul will be cracked like the saucer."
The prinner was found - • and sentenced. (Hear.)

Why, I agree s. .
the hon. and learned member fur Abingdon that if it be of
the C./Rine of the oath to pronounce the words "on the
true frith of a Christian," the house ought not to have

—and guilty
Was not the Central Criminal Court, which adrniiiisterel
this oath, a Christian court ? Were not the Privy Coun-
cil and the House of Lords, who took a similar course, also
Christian courts? lie. for one, was prepared to take his
8.-4th part of the disgrace and infamy which would fall
upon the house in the event of its deciding that the hon.
member for Greenwirls was entitled to take his seat, and
to exercise the privili gea which appertain el to him as a
atemlwr of that house. Upon these grounds he asked the
house to admit his hon. friend to the enjoyment of the pri-
- which his seat entitled him, and to disregard in

allowed the oath to be administered tin the Old Testa-
ment. It is absurd to say that the sign of an oath ought
to be one thing and the words in which you pronounce the
oath another. (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) I say that the
words of adjuration and the sign of adjuration must stand
upon the saute footing. (Cheers.) If you abandon the
sign of adjuration you must allow the words of adjuration
to be omitted also. (Hear, hear.) I contend that the ar•
gument which was used by the noble lord as to what was
done on some former occasion, in the reign of George 1.,
when it was intended to allow Jews to omit the

vilest" to which me sees ....__ .
• matter affecting their own Aiken an adverse assump-
tion of the House of lord*. liear,-hear.)
jai
Strang,» were then urde to withdraw, but nn diet-
Ilioll took place. Atter an absence of two or three
minutes,
Mr. B. OSBORNE wax found on his legs, attempting /a
address the house.
The SPEAKER was understood to say that the boa.
member had no right to speak.
Mr. B. OSBORNE wait!, I believe I moved the substan•
tire motion, and by • mistake made by you, sir—(loud
tries of " No, no," and " Chair, chair.")
The SPEAR Elt said he would tell the house and the
hon. member pr cisely how the question stood. The hon.
member for Greenwich having taken his seat in the boom
without having taken the oaths, the motion anis nada
that the hon. member 'ln now withdraw. Of tonne that
motion hid precedence of all others, as the question was
one of order. To that rn.ition the hon. member (Mr.
B. Osborne) gave in an amendment ; and in so giving in
his amendment he fur1...R.4 his right to speak. It was not
competent to an hon. member to put in an amendment
without a speech, and then to claim the right to speak on
it afterwards. (Ilene. hear.)
Mr. T. 11081101:sE said he was given to understand
by the gentlemen around him, that no one made a motion
in the war the Speaker f u ppoZa. "I suppose, Mr. Speaker
(continued the lion. 'gentleman), you will retract your
judgment. and elbow the hon. member for Middlesex to
address the house." (Loud cries of " order," and
" chair.")
The SPEAKER said the hon. member wax mistaken in
suppusint that no motion was made. The noble lord the
mambo r for the City of London moved that Alderman
Salomon* di' now withdraw. The question being put, on
amendment was put into his hands by the hon. member
for Middlesex, ant.l that hon. member, by putting the
amendment into hi. hinds, forfeited his right to speak.

words "on the true faith of a Christian," applies in
this ease. By the 10th of Geo. 1., I think, it was intended
that Jews should be relieved in a particular case from the
necessity of using the words, " On the true faith of a
Christiau." Well, then, says the noble lord, " I find that
when the legislature meant these words to be omitted in
the adjuration oath, it distinctly enacted it, and, inas-
mech as we have no similar enactment for the case before
us, we must enforce the words." But just observe
what that act said. Bid it refer merel7 to the words, "On
the true faith of a Christian ?" No, it went further; it
gave permission also fur the Jew to be sworn as in a condor
justice on the Old Testament ; otherwi,e he would have
had to be sworn on the Evangelists. The act placed the
wonls and the sign of adjuration on the same footing ; for
while the act gives permission to omit the words, " On
the true faith ut's Christian," it goes on to say, " And the
taking the said oath by persons professing the Jewish re-
ligion in like manner as Jews are admitted to be
sworn and to give evidence in courts of justice shall be
deemed to h, a sufficient taking of the adjuration oath."
Well, then, if the act also gave an express permission of the
use of the Old Test.uuent only in the particular ease
what bevomes of the argument of the noble lord founded
ou this act of Geo. 1., now that he has agreed to the
use of the Old Testament without a statutory penal.-
sion to do so in the case now before the house ?
I therefore, sir, view the matter in a different light altoge-
ther, and it appears to me this very set of George I. that
has been quoted against the claim of the hon. member for
Greenwich tells rather in his favour, for it shows the legis-
lature has dealt with those words of the adjuration and the
sign of the adjuration at the same time, end saw to have
understood that they should be put on the sew footing.
Therefore, 1 say, if you have allowed the Old Tedesteat to
be used you must permit the words on the Mee Mit eta
Christian to be omitted. (Hear, hear.) In as PM fit
Mr. Pease, which has been frequently quoted in the comae
'e perfectly '

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,Ir. T. 110B1I0CsE said the judgment of the Asir was
indisputable in that house. and he bowed with deferent. he
the expression of opinion which had just been given. Bat bit
submitted that he was entitled to epeak--and that 12
the ease, he would sulgest to the house that a grave
rutty might eel,* if they ordered the hon. member he
Greenwich to withdraw Item tae house. (Hear, hear.) On
• former occasion, they heard the hon. and learned gentle-
man the Solicitor•Ueneral —(elierrs)--elpress himself with
the greatest skill, the greatest judgment, the greatest abi-
lity, the mutest legal acumen, in favour of their brethren
the Hebrews—(laughter) —end he hoped the hon. and
karord member would favour the house with his
opinion that evening. In his opinion. the hon. member
for Greenwich might sit and rate if he chose to risk incur-
ring the penalties imposed bylaw. (hear, hear.) It wasa
notorious fact that many minors had sat in that house.
(Ilear, hear.) Ile would advise the Speaker—
laughter)—humbly and with great respect, not
to render himself liable to auy penalties; he would ad-
vise him nut to allow this subjeet to be taken before the
courts of law, which had so often overruled the proceedings
of that house, and which liberated the sheriffs alter they
bail been committed. (hear, hew.) He did not know
what c nine the hon. member for Greenwich would take,

of these diresusions, a course t. analogous to that for
which lam co tending was taken, as being the only one
which altered a solution to the difficulty that then pre-
sented itself. It was clear that Mr. Pease was entitled by
the statute to aiiirrn instead of taking the oath ; but If
it had been contended that though he was entitled
to affirm instead of taking the oath, that with
regard to the words on the true faith of a Christian in the
adjuration oath there was no statute to enable the house to
allow their omission ; it would have amounted to this—{hag
the member claiming to substitute the affirmation for the
oath might affirm, provided he used words at the end it
the affirmation which were tantamount to the taking of ea
oath. (litar. hear.) And it is precisely the same with the
Jew. You allow him to take the oath in the form which is
binding on his conscience as a Jew—that is on the Old Tes-
tament, provided at the end of the oath he use. words signi-
fying that he is a Christian. (Cheers.) The house in the
ease of Mr. Pease took the reasonable anti common sense
coarse • it omitted the worth implying an oath at the end of
the el;rmatioe. But there was no espreio law to entitle Mr.
Pease to the privilege; there was no act of parliament passed
for the purpose; and, though the course then taken might
have been in accordance with the common law, there was
no statute law to say, in so many words, that the words
• • should •

but no one would be more ready to shake hands with him
on his taking his wot in that house. Believing that
the toilers of the land would di tide in the hon. member's
favour. he should vote tar his taking his scat forthwith. He
behest-it the Speaker had nu right whatever to direct the
hon. inAnher to w ithileaw, and he warned him that he
could not du it. The Speaker might suggest to him to
withdraw, and he supposed that that was what he had in-
tended to do; hut the hon. member had determined to
maintain hi. position, and was no doubt prepared to abide
by the decision of a court of law.
The ATT 0 RN E RRA L said—Tome this goodies
appears a very plain and simple one. My hon. and
learned friend has suggested that the hon. =mhos, for
Greenwich should he allowed to take his seat and to vote
is this house, subject only to those penalties which he will
blear by so doing, whir., penalties may be enforced else.
whore by the ordinary tribunah of the country. (Hear,
bear.) In that view, I, for one, do nut concur. (Cheers.)
It appears to Inc perfectly clear that the house has here a
duty to perform. (Hear, hear.) The act of parliament
positively and imperatively prohibits any member who has
nut taken certain oath., among• which is the oath of &Na-
tation, from voting and sitting in this house. (" No.")
Some hen. gentleman says .• no ;" I can only say that be
cannot have read the statute. Nothing can be plaiaer ter
more explicit than the words of the Aet of Parliament.
The hon and learned gentleman then readthe act, providing
that nu person should sit and vote as a member until he had
taken the abjuration oath. Nothiag, I say, can be more
precise than the words.
Mr. B. OSBORNE: -Read the Bth Oco. 111.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—The words there are
meetly the same. The act refers back to this, and says the
oath is to be taken in the same way ; and this oath is, I
assert, still binding upon all persons.
Mr. B. OSBORNE—Read.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—The hoa. member
mast not interrupt me. (Hear, hear.) If I mistake the
act of parliament there will be an opportunity of correcting
me. (Hear, hear.) I entertain not the shadow of a
doubt that the terms of the act of parliament arc
binding upon all. Well, then, there arises this goes-
shall the house allow -- honourable member who

And the Speaker havip; directed Mr. Salomon, to with.
hen- '

lion, an
has not taken the oath to sit here and to vote
It is said that certain penalties attach, and that it is suffi-
cient that they do so. I say we are called upon to take
cognisance of a question affecting the rights and privileges
of skis house. (Hear.) It is a principle of the common
nght
the

*ay, mai me isilie am so, As itrestisa .w was
wketlier dee bow shonkl same obedience to the Speaker's
eider ? Oa Oat 'notion. beivre‘er greet his reluctance, be
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law that whatever relates to 'the of • member
to sit in this house is subject to cognisance and
Jurisdiction of parliament alone. (Hear, hear.) When
the cue arises which ham now actually arisen, in
which an honourable meashoc, Awe laving been duly
returned, presents himself at dr bible ma dollies
to take the oaths in the tsar premelbod by taw,
then it is the duty of the hour not only to sissy but to
enforce the law. (Cheers.) I take that Iss be the am
duty of this house—a duty her which it put not, der
not, shrink. (Hear, hear.) I ion spite awes that costal.
hon. members contend that the bun. useable by Green-
wich h.is taken the oath acurding to law. Now epos that
point the house came to a solemn sad deliberate decision
last year. In that decision I most cordially cosienr, though
with the greatest possible reluctance. I am yyeite our that
none of those who desire that the hen. membr kilf Orme
with should take his seat in that house regret mars than I
do the operation of those acts which prevent Jews tram
sitting in parliament. That operation is a seen eatidest
of legislation. The law was meant to apply r it
does, and the continuance of the words is a disgrace to ear
statute book. (Hear, hear.) But, while I am as desirous
as any member can be that the law should be altered, I
feel that the house, acting in • judicial capacity, is bound
to administer the law as it stands—l feel that we have no
alternative, and, with the views which I entertain, and
still more, having reference to the decision of the house last
year, I conceive that we cannot hesitate for • moment as to
the course which we ought to pursue. (Hear, hear.) The
hon. member (Mr. T. Itobbouse) says that minors have
sat is this house. That may be very true, because the
matter is one which must be left to be dealt with on
petition and tried 'n the ordinary way. (Hear, hear.) But
this does not affect the statutory prohibition in the present
case. As regards the suggestion that the penalties should
be left to be enforced by a court of law, I say the house
cannot give up its jurisdiction in matters affecting Its own
privileges. Even if the question of penalties were deter-
mined by a court of law, that would not determine the
question whether or not the bon. member has a right to sit
in this hone', and could not justify us rahriakingifrom the
.
' particle

felt bound by the previous decision of the house toe...gain the
normative. They had a resolution of the house declaring
that in the form is which they had been takes by the hon.
member, they had not hcim taken in accordance with the
statute; and until that resolution was reversed the h0w...,
be took it, had no course open to it but to affirm the motion
that the hous member be directed to withdraw.
Mr. CLAY remarked that the question did not regard
the oath itself, but the mode of taking it, and fell, there-
fore, within the competence of the Commons to settle for
themselves. Looking at the admission of the Jews to par-
liament as a matter only of time, he advised the house to
cut short a dangerous controversy, by *alumina the respon-
sibility of letting them in at once.
Mr. VILLIERS doubted whether, considering the com-
plicity of the law, the public would not attribute an adverse
decision, if such should be passed, to a means and paltry
prejudice against the Jews.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the question before us is, whether
or not, the house having passed the resolution of last year,
the hon. gentleman (Mr. Salomon) ought now to with-
draw, and whether the house will confirm its own 11/01/bh•
tion. I own I cannot say I think this is a question ups
which the house ought to entertain any doubt. It a=
to me the house having come to a resolution that the
Rothschild could not sit, having sworn to so much of ohs
oath of abjuration as he did, were it now to allow another
member to come here, and without question to sit and
vote on the very grounds on which it was declared that the
Baron Rothschild could not sit, would be a monstrous con-
clusion. (Hear) I can conceive that those who consider
our decision of last year was erroneous and contrary to
law, might say, at all events, let respect be shown to the
recorded resolution of the be - so long as it stands on our

ea the tree faith o'l'a Christian be flefillni bat
you acted upon the principle of common scam, and Mk*,
into consideration the declaration of the law in former
timer, and the statutes which had passed since you allowed
the words to be omitted. (Hear, hear.) I cannot sow
remember the exact words of a lite right hon. member et
this house, who was a great authority on such questions.
in reference to the case of Mr. Pew ; but the substance et
what Mr. Wynn said on that occasion was, " drily and
technically we are not bound to grant this privilege*
Mr. Pease, but it is not clear that we ought to refuse IS
—(hear, hear)—therefore. taking a liberal and a generous
view of the law, when we have the power of putting can
own construction upon it, and passing our own judgment
and decision, I think we ought to give the benefit to Mr.
Pease." (Cheers.) So I say in this case, let us take a
liberal and generous view of the law, and give the heas4l
to the hon. member for Greenwich. (Hear.) Unfurl*
uately, I am afraid, there are difficulties that will now
arise from our being about (us I am sorry to say
I expect) to take an illiberal view of the law.
I am afraid that some honourable members preen*
are about to allow their own personal feelings
against allowing Jews to sit in parliament to influence
their judgments in the decision of &judicial question. But
that is not the course those who entertain those feelings
should adopt. If they are determined that Jews shall not
sit in parliament (and this oath gees to no such extent), let
them bring in a bill declaring that Jews shall not be eligible
to sit in this house. (Hear.) Lord Denman', when
Common Serjeant of the City of London, on the question of
admitting Jews to corporate olfices, said, in speaking of
the oath. "The only object of an oath is to hind the conscience
ut hint who takes it, and in any other form it is both nuga-
tory and blasphemous. If, on the other hand, the mode of
swearing is considered as a test for detecting and excluding
a particular religious class, it would be inconsistent with
the custom first set out which makes all admissible, and in
contravention of one of the first principles of English law,
would .duet indirectly what cannot be done directly."
It appears to me that that opinion conveys, in beautiful
and forcible language, the real meaning of the question now
before as. I confess I have great difficulty in opposing
the motion of the noble lord ; for, in doing so,
• his, te'

I feel lam not ally opposing my opinion against but
may appear to be aawilling to pay due respect to the au-
thority of the right hon. gentleman in the chair. That,
however, is see the sense in which I shall
in give my Tote
against noble lord's motion ; but merely this sense,
that . . . .

I de set Oa& the law *defiantly clear upon the point
just4i preseinnelnee a deliberate opinion that the
hon. =MAIN kit 13reeawish is not entitled to take his seat
in this house, aid being called upon to pronounce an opinion
one way or the eider, I feel I could not reconcile it to my
conscience to thetas treat giving my vote against the noble
lord's proposition. (Hear, hear.)
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL trusted the house would
excuse him, if, in a few brief sentences, be explained the
grounds of the vote be was about to give, and which be
wee anxious to do, not on his own account, but on accouater
an observation of the hon. and learned member for Yale**
as to want of courage.—[hi. ANSTIT : " Oa the pest d
others"]—u to a want of courage which had bees eta&
bited on the part of others, then, in the previous ease dthe
Baron Rothschild. He was glad the hon. and leaned
tleman said " on the p.srt of others," for he (the
General) was willing to take upon himself the limb Mil•
sponsibility of the Kinn Rothachild's not taking hie seat as
the hon. member for Greenwich had done. (Hear, bear.)
The reason, he believed, was this it appeared to him to be
necessary for the house to come to a conclusion, one yap ge
the other, whether or not the oath of abjuration bad hem
token as required by the act. (Hear.) He could ant ihhit
with the right hon. member for Manchester that it nee per
for the house to avoid that question. He did not
think they could allow it to remain in uncertainty whether
an hon. gentleman continued to sit in that hOllllll MS =saber
fur Greenwich or any other place in cont.,.,endian et Mho
statute or not. (Hear, hear.) That question mast be
de-
cided, and that was the opinion he entertained in the CON
of the Baron Rothschild. Before he was allowed to take
his scat be felt that that question must be decided, sad es
that occasion he (the Solicitor General) argued u favour a
that question as he was best able, not es a partime ter he
hoped with any undue degree of political bias, but oa what
appeared to him to be the merits of the ease. lie was let
from saying the law was clear upon the point. (Clem.)
His opinion was unchanged upon the subject, bat tee pedat
was a judicial one to be decided judicially by. the bowie, and
it was decided by a large majority—a majority of 74 be be-
lieved, that decision being that the Baron Lionel de Rothe-

itonse
journ.ils—let it not be treated as of no value, but
after the member has withdrawn, let us recon-
sider, and if necessary, reverse that decision. (Hear, hear.)

Those who differ from that resolution might reasonably take
that course. The right hon. member fur Manchester has
not quite correctly vtakvl the resolution the house came to.
He says, it was to the effect that no member should sit
without taking the oath in the form appointed by law. But
that was not exactly it. (Hear, hear.) 'Ube house, having
had the Baron Rothschild before it, and having seen the
form ho went through, and the manner is which he took
the oath, resolved that he was nut entitled to sit in the
house until he bad taken the oath in the form appointed by
law. What can be more clear than the fact that he has not

yet taken the oath in that form ? What else could it mean ?
fhe house knew what the Baron Rothschild had dune, and
they said he cannot sit until he takes the oath in the form
appointed by law. The present case stands on pre-
cisely the same grounds; and I think the house
has no other course open to it than to decide
that the hon. member for Greenwich must withdraw.
(Hear, hear.) What we shall proceed to do after that de-
cision is another question. The hon. member (Mr. &de-
mons) has no doubt placed himself in a different position
from that in which the Baron Rothschild stands. (Cheers.)
He has already sat and voted in this house—(loud cheers)
—and I think it is a grace question for the house to con-
sider what difference that should make, if any, in
our proceedings in the present as compared with
those which were taken in the Rothschild ewe.
I think the present state of the law is moot
unsatisfactory. (Hear, hear.) When it is a question with
respect to the Quakers, the acts of parliament and the
journals of this house show that the words, en
the true faith of • Christian," are form, that the
form should be changed, and that the words, "on the true
faith of a Christian," should be omitted. In all the acts
sad proceedings of this house with relation to Quakers,
the words, "on the true faith of a ChriNtian," are
esteemed as form. But, in the case of the Jews, these
words are considered not as form, but as substance. (Hear,
hear.) You will find that to be the case in the acts sail
proceedings relating to the Jews. (Hear, hear.) There is
`.cat difference between the acts relating to the Quaker
and the Jews. The act relating to the Quakers says that pee-
-1 suns requiring the oath to be taken may require it to be
taken its such and such a form, and that those who take it
in such form shah be liable to a charge of perjury, hash"
made their afarraation. But with respect to the Jews, It
does Out say that they may take at in such and such • form,
but it says that they shall be liable to a charge of perjury if
they take it in such and such a form. he oath would
subject

.ct the Jews to the penalties of perjury, and there are se
woias in it which revire those who administer it to do se
in the manner in which they administer it to the Quakers.
dHear, hear.)) Hut there is another most remarkable
ifference. There are laws with regard to the Jews
in two instances—two special instances—in which the
legislature has said that the words "un the true faith of
a Christian " shall be omitted, and that the oath shall be
administered on the Old Testament. The inference from
this is, that, as parliament made these special exceptions,
they thereby meant that these exceptions were to govern
such cases only, and that general rases were outside suck
CUPS. Therefore, no person has a right here to administer
the oath in such and such a form, except it be according to
the particular statutes to whith I have alluded. (Hear.)
These points make a great difference—a difference which it is
necessary, for us to observe. 1 think it is an unjust distinc-
tion. (Hear.) I think it an unsatisfactory state of the law,
that, with regard to the Quakers you should declare a part
of the oath to be matter of form and not the substance of
the oath, and that you can dispense with it—that there
should be members of this house who leave out the words
"on the true faith of a Christian," and end with the words
antecedent to these, and that, when you come to the Jew
you should any, " This is not form, it a the essence and

member fur Oremwieh. The appeared to Iti, to be eon-

tumaceons—a disobedience of theiirders of the boon, soda
contempt of its authority, so much so that he (Sir P. The-
siger) s4uuld be - • yrepored to concur in a vote, which

quite p,
he thought it would be the proper one to adopt, namely, that
the hun. and learned member for Greenwich be committed
to the Serjeant-rt-Arms for the disobedience of the orders
of the house, and for contempt. (.. Hear, herr." and
cheers.) The noble lora ut the head of the government had
proceeded in this matter too mildly, but nobody could doubt
that the noble lord was ptvfectly justified in the course
which he had pursued is this instance. The resolution
passed by the house after debate last session still remained
undisturbed, and yet in the free of it the hon. gentleman
has come down so as by his presence tonight to brave the
decision which the house bad arrived at last year, and of
which ho was fully aware. (Herr, hear.) The decision of
this house on a former occasion was act at nought by the
hon. and learned member, and he (Sir F. Thesiger) could
not doubt what the feelings of the majority of the house
would be on the question now before it. Ile was not pre!
pared for the course which Mr. Alderman Salomon's had
thought fit to adopt, and when he (Sir F. Thcidger) ease
down to the house that evening he had expected that the
noble lord at the head of the government would have moved
• resolution similar to that which he had proposed
sad which had been adopted by the house la
the ease of Baron Rothschild last session. (Hear, hear.)
On Friday last he (Sir F. Thesiger) had intimated his in-
tention to move • resolution that the seat for Greenwich
was void, and to move • new writ, but after some conside-
ration, and after discussing the subject with some friends
who were competent to give an opinion, he was inclined,
although he still entertained the opinion that the house
made a most serious mistake in reference to the case of
Baron Rothschild, still in deference to the opinion expressed
in the house, and seeing farther the difficulty which would
arise from • departure from the former • he should

—.er decision,
give his cordial support to the proposition of the noble lord
at the head of the government. (Hear, hear.)
After a few w,•rds front Mr. BETHELL, in

substance of oath, and you must take it.- (Hear.,
After what I have said, the house will perceive that it is
with reluctance—with pain to myself—that I assent to that
interpretation of the oath which excludes Jewish mem.
hers • but I do not agree with the hon. member for \Vol-
verhlnipton (Mr. Villiers), when he says that because we
arc careful and scrupulous in looking at the words of the
act of parliament we shall be looked upon with scorn and
contempt by the people.
Mr. VILLIERS.—I did not say that.
Lord J. RUSSELL.-1 certainly understood my hon.
friend to say so. But, however, I believe that the people of
this country—a people obedient to the law above all other
people on the face of the globe, scrupulous not to exceed
the limits of the law, aad ever ready to exact
their rights when they believe those rights in-
fringed, but reuderiug to others all that the law
requires—l believe that they expect and will be glad
to see that the House of Commons, whatever may be their
views of expediency or justice, are reedy to set the first
example of full and exact obedience of the law, and that if
they feel sure that the law prescribes a certain course of
conduct no such considerations as those which have been
mentioned will induce them to overstep it. (Cheers.)
Mr. BETHELL said that, iu his opinion (as a lawyer),
by the common statute law, as well as by the solutions of
the house, the oath of abjuration had been well and legally
taken by Mr. Salmons, and that the house had no autho-
rity to require him to withdraw. A member war entitled
to require the oath to be administered to him, and the house
was bound to administer the oath, according to law, whisk
prescribed that it should be administered in • manatee
binding upon the member's conscience. This latter prin-
ciple applied to any particular set of words contained in the
oath ; and Mr. Bethell, in an elaborate argument, ender.
voured to show that, whether the words in question were.
se he thought, only the sanction of the oath, or •
part of the oath, the manner in which Mr. Be.
lemons had taken the oath, having been perutithell
to take it upon the Old Testament, satisfied the law.
He submitted that if theyregarded the principles of comma
and statute law, and of their own report, they were bound
to administer the oath, and that the Jew had a right to take
•t,in a mann..- - '•- to his conscience. He ,

explanation,
Mr. AULIONBY said that the arguments which had
been adranced by the hon. and learned member for Ayles-
bury were unanswered and unanswerable. (Hear.) Re-
luctantly he felt compelled to vote for the present motion,
though he could not but rejoice that Mr. Alderman Salo-
mons had had the courage to assume that seat in the house
to which a liberal constituency had returned hint.
Sir It. 11. INGLIS raid he rose not for the purpose of
supporting the decision of the Speaker last year, but the
decision of the House of Commons itself. Last year they had
voted that the oath must be taken Baron Rothschild,

it, in a manner according contended
for nothing at variance with their own resolution of last
session, fur that resolution was embodied in language which
left the legal question undecided. In that resolution
there was nothing binding on them, but there was
much that called on them to a sensible line

.n by
and on that the Nat was unoccupied. The simple question
was this—would the house stultify itself by rescinding the
resolution which, after solemn debate, had been adopted
last year.
Mr. BRIGHT remarked that the terms of the amend-
ment amount to a substantive reversal of the vote of last
session. If this alternative were adopted, therefore, the
arguments concerning inconsistency fell to the ground.
Referring to precedents, the hon. member went back to an
earlier instance, that of the admission of Mr. Pease, when
the Commons had not the example of providing upon their
own authority a new form of oath to admit the member of a
particular sect. The precedent then set, ho contended,
should rule in the present case.
Mr. NEWDEGATE declared that the proceedings of
Mr D. Salomous were most audacious.
Mr. EVANS maintained that the oath of abjuration was
complete before adding the first and former words. Mr.
Salomons having, therefore, effectually taken the oath,
could claim the right to take his seat in the house.
Colonel THOMPSON supported the amendment.
Mr. CROWDER, examined the terms of the oath, and
compared them with those of other legal formula, arguing
that the omitted clause was essential, and the vote of last
session binding.
Mr. MU NI Z, finding so much difference among the
lawyers, intended to follow tlie dictates of plain scum:, and
vote in favour of the amendment.
After a few words from Mr. Wawn,
Me. J. A. SMITH stated, on behalf of Mr. Salomons,
that, having voted in one division, he did not intend to vote
in that about to be taken, as it involved a question personal
to himself.
Alderman Salomons then rose, and having bowed to tho
Speaker, withdrew from the house amid loud laughter,
mingled with cries of '• Adieu," pronounced " A Jew."
The house then divided:
For Mr. B. Osborne's amendment

Against
On the gallery being re-opened, several hon. memben
were found essaying to obtain the attention of the house,
which at the moment appeared to be in a state of great
confusion, which was immensely aggravated by Alderman
Salomon, again walking up the Hour, and taking his seat
by the Master of the Rolls, the position occupied by the
hon. gentleman throughout the previous part of the even-
ing. There were loud and uproarious calls of " Order "
and " Withdraw " front the opposition benches, which were
met by counter cries of " Hear, hear," from the ministerial
side of the house. At length, order being partially re-
stored, at the call of the Speaker,
Mr. ASSTEY then proceeded to address the house. He
was happy to see his hon. friend the member for Greenwich
bad again returned to his seat. (Oh, oh.) lie thought hie
hon. friend was wrong in yielding to such CI.CCIISIVC deli-
cacy as withdrawing before the last question was put.
C' Oh, oh," and much laughter.) lie thought it was the
duty of his hon. friend to suppress all feelings of that kind
in consideration of the question he was there to defend.
(Renewed laughter.) Upon this question much depended,
for it it should be decided by the house that they had the
power to compel his hon. friend to withdraw be-
low the bar, they would neat decide that they had the
.• • •

oar,
power to declare his seat vacant, and lo issue
a new writ. Ile trusted, however, that his hon. friend
would consider his constituents more than himself on the
present occasion, and that he would stop in his place and
vote, and leave the consequences to those who might by
their intolerance, or worse, contribute to swell the majority
against him. (Hear, hear.) The original question before
the house—and which they were now called upon to decide
—was that the hon. member for Greenwich be ordered to
withdraw. Was it the intention of the supporters of that
proposition that the hon. gentleman should withdraw
from the house altogether, or simply from the seat
which he then occupied? ("Rear, hear," and ironi-
cal laughter from the opposition benches.) If he
(Mr. Anstey) were to judge by the frenzied delight
manifested by hou. members opposite, at the result of the
last division, he could not help thinking what their delight
would be at seeing hi, hon. friend committed for contu-
macy. (Ironical cheers and laughter from the opposition.)
If the hon. member for Greenwich should be compelled to
withdraw, he (Mr. Anstey) should move that he be heard in
person or by counsel against that decision. (Hear, hear.)
Hon. gentlemen had therefore to consider just now what
part of the house they would order the hon. member for
Greenwich to withdraw to. (Laughter.) Ile did not think
the question had been sufficiently considered—C. oh, oh"),
and therefore he would move that the debate be now ad.
journed. (Oh, oh.)
Mr. BRIGHT seconded the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the hon. and learned gen-
tleman had given no reason whatever for the adjournment
of the debate. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the
real question which was before them—whether the
hon. gentleman should withdraw—he thought that the
house ought to come to a decision. (Hear, hear.) It wan
I his intention in the early part of the evening to have made
a motion similar to that which he made last year in theatre
of Baron Rothschild, but he did not wishthe house should
come to an immediate decision upon it, but that hen.
gentlemen should have time till to morrow to consider
what course it would he best for them to adopt. (Hear,
hear.) With regard to the withdrawal of the hon. gentle-
man, in cue the house decided he should do so, there was

but one precedent which he could find on the subject, and
that was not in favour of the course suggested by the hon.
member for Youghal. That was the camel Sir W. Wyndham
who, having used some words that were found fault with
by the house, was ordered by the Speaker to withdraw.
He refused to do so, and a motion was then made that he

ursue
eiesednet ; w the point that the
s•—il-
*sea to be sworn was to be sworn on the Old Testament,
they were under the oation to follow that out in a con-
sistent manner. He cuded by expressing his belief that
Mr. Alderman Sidemen' was as much a member of that
Mime as any other member who sat within its walls.
(Cheers.)
Sir F. THESIGER took an entirely opposite view of
the law, though be agreed with the hon. member that the
house bad brought itself into a difficulty by allowing the
oath to be taken on the Old Testament. The house came to
• different conclusion; and though ho bowed to that deci-
sion, he could not acquiesce in it. Parties were re-
quired to take the oath of abjuration within a limitted
tune under the 9th Geo. 1., and the 10th Geo. 1. was
introduced for the purpose of enlarging the time; and the
provision with regard to the Jews was, like the act,
of a temporary character, and expired with the occasion.
Without some such provision the legislature knew that
It would be impossible for the Jew to take the oath.
There is another act of parliament which enforced these
views, and which most certainly had been overlooked.
He meant the statute 13 Geo. 11., which provided that,
any person objecting to the words " on the true Ma
of • Christian," such words should be omitted teas
the oath. (Hear, hear.) The house had therefore a
legislative determination that this was substaatially OS
essential to the oath. By that decision of the house it ap-
peared to him that the matter was clear; but if that point
was denied, he begged to ask where woulp the opponents of
the principle stop ? Mr. Alderman Salomon* objected
to the words, "on the true faith of a Christian."
But might it not be asked what other part of the
oath he objects to, in order to satisfy his conscience? Where
was the contest to end ? He was sure that his hon. and
learned frienu the member for Aylesbury had not prepared
himself sufficiently for this great contest, or he would have
demolished the argument which had been raised in favour
of Mr. Alderman Salomon taking his seat as member for
the borough of Greenwich. The question now before the
house was merely whether Mr. Alderman Salomon' should
be requested to withdraw. He (Sir F. Thesiger) confessed
- -4 of the

be ordered to withdraw, for which there were, ayes, 206.
n0e5,,127. Thereupon Sir Wm. Wyndham withdrew, thus
paying a proper respect to the resolution of the house.
(Hear, hear.) At that time he was an undoubted member
of the house; he had spoken on the question; he de-
clined to withdraw on the order of the Speaker
but, when sisp”rted by • resolution of the
house, his imasely withdrew. (Hear, hear.) If, on
the present occasion the hon. member did not pay the same
respect to the order of the house, other measures must be
taken—(cheers from the opposition)—but he should hope
that when the authority of the Speaker was confirmed by
the resolution of the home, there would be no hesitation on
the part of the hon. gentleman in obeying the order of the
house. (Hear, hear.)
Sir B. HALL believed that prolonged discussion would
throw no more light en the subject.
After a few words from Mr. WAWN,
Mr. HOBBOUSE advised Mr. Salmons to claim his
right to speak, as he had already exercised the rights of
sitting and voting!
Mr. SALOMONS then rose, and was received with •
few faint cries of "oh," and "withdraw," from the opposi-
tion benches; alter which he was allowed to address the
house without any interuption, which he did in a firm tone,
as follows:—" Sir, I should not have presumed to address
you or this house in the peculiar position in which I
am placed, were it not that I have been so pointedly ap-
pealed to by the hon. gentleman who has just sat down.
(Hear, hear.) I trust the house will make some allowance
for that position, and the responsibility that I feel in the
unusual course which it may be thought I have adopted.
(lieu, hear.) But I beg to assure you, sir, mad taw beer,
that it has been far from my intention to biddy is sop
thing contumacious or presuming towards either. (Neer,
bear.) But, having been returned to this house by
a large constituency, and believing that I labour undue
no disability whatever, and that I am in a position to fulfil
all the requirements of the law, I thought I would not be
doing justice to my own position as an Englishman and a
gentleman did I not adopt the course which I thought right
and proper maintaining my right to appear on this floor
meaning "

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therefore, to take an opposite corome, it moms to mei that I takes the enelt of abjuration lathe hone appeheleill law. most he* hisparml ovary mild form of proceeding. (Hear.) (Cheers.) I thought I was bound to take this course in
should not be discharging my duty If I did not at once When that dmision was mane el the Hem liethselHe bed The law would remember what had occurred on Fri- defence of my ownrighta and privileges, and those of the
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to the day hot- It comet hew hem forgotten that with the entire constituency that sent me here. (Hear, hear.) In say-
not taken the oaths in the manner prescribed. by law, there "big °.f_____,_th° `um', 11.1..,_tbZw.„ 11.51aa1l mew . sir rePen esheeffenee of the Dam, after the hon. and learned mem- ing this, sir, I shall state to you that whatever
is but one course left fur us to pursue, which is to order him any nu, _room.' / which point woad be loft open. bee (for each ha pmemeg be must call him) for Green- the decision of this house may be, I shall wil-
to withdraw. (Hear.) The de-on, the eliberate judgment of the house, was on with had refwed le to words "on the true faith of jingly abide by it, provided that just sufficient
Mr. M. GIBSON said—Sir, I concur very much in one retard ; and though he for one did not acquiesce in that a Christian," he was dlrseled to withdraw entirely from force be used to show that I am seeing under coercion.
part of the speech of the hen. and learned gentleman, judgment, yet, it being &judicial decision, he apprehended the house. This um not semplied with ; and perhaps it (Hear, hear.) Having expressed these sentiments, I will
namely, that in which he said the house has • jurisdiction that the Speaker had no course open to him in the present would be in the lesembrume of the house that he (Sir F. not intrude on the time of the house further than to say
of its own, and must decide whether the hon. member is oue, where the same forms had been gone through wlkich in Thesiger) again drew attendee to the Wearisome*, and that I trust and hope that in the present doubtful state of
entitled to a seat here or not. But, inasmuch as the deci- the previous cue the house had declared to be not oansistent again the Speaker celled spa the lea. member for Green- the law—doubtful, u shown by tits different opinions of
sic& to which this house mast COM. ought to be founded on with the law, but to see that the law ma declared by the re- wuh to withdraw. Now, he QM Z. hedger) confessed, the most eminent lawyers in this house—no final order or
its understanding of the law, as • member of this house, I solution of the house was enforced. (Hear, beer) If that with this course of pronoun—Am the perfect sanction resolution will be adopter' without affording me an oppor-
fe, I entitled to say what I believe ou. ht to be the under- decision were correct it was clear
.no person had a right to which the house had gives te Wsuggestion on Friday ; tnnity of addressing the house, and stating before the house
standing of the law. (Hear, hear.) It is not so very sit in that house without conferrnuig to what they had de- M evening last, he was surprised et the appearance within 1 and the country what I believe to be my rights and privi-
easy a goodies m =lib, be supposed. Just Observe what is elated to be the intention of the statute. (Hest, heat.) the way and precincts of the hew of the hon. and learned leges, what I believe to be the right, of my constituents,

and what I believe to be the duty of this house. (Hear.)
I hope this house will not refuse that which I believe no
court in this counts.: ever rcrwes—that ft will not refire
to he ir me before it comes to a final decision. (The hon.
gentleman sat down amidst loud cheering.)
Mr. BRIGHT supported the motion for the adjournment,
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Lord J. RUSSELL said that after the temperate speech
made by the hon. member fur Greenwich on this emotion
he regretted that he could not comply with the proposition
that had been made fur the adjournment of the debate. But
with regard to the main question he had already said he
would postpone the consideration of it till to-morrow. If
the house came to a resolution in favour of the lion. mem-
ber, he would then be fully entitled to come into the house
amid to take his seat, but he owned he did nut
think it possible in any C 1.., atter the Speaker
had ordered the hon. gentleman to withdraw, and
when that order had been supported and confirmed by the
resolution of the house, that they could consent to an ad-
' jourumeut of the debate. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. OSBORNE said he did not wish for a moment to
controvert the respect due to the Speaker as a gentleman, or
as the officer of the house, but he thought there were rights
superior even to that consideration. (ilcar, hear, and "
oh.") Ile would advise the hon. member for Greenwich to
retain his scat till he was removed by the Serjeatit-at-Arms,
and then nut many months would pain ere the house would
be compelled to grant full liberty to their Jewish fellow-
subjects. (Cries of " Divide, divide.")
the house then divided.

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For,the motion that Mr. Alderman Salomons
do withdraw
Against it
Majority 162
On our return to the gallery,
The SPEAKER (addressing the Sergeant-at-Arms) said,
Mr. Sergeant, you will please to remove Mr. Alderman
Salomons below the bar.

The Sergeant-at-Arms then advanced from his chair to the
spot where the hon. member for Greenwich was sitting, and
gently laid his hand on the hon. member's right shoulder,
a motion which elicited a shout of laughter. The hon.
member rose, and was proceeding to address the Speaker,
when he was met with loud cries of " Order." When
these had partially subsided, the hon. member said, " I
yield to your decision, Sir." He thea walked with the
Sergeant-at-Arms to the outside of the bar.
Mr. ANSTEY immediately rose and said—l wish to ask,
Sir, whether your attention has been drawn to the language
of the act of parliament, which directs that until the oath
has been taken no hon. member is at liberty to take his seat
in this house—l wish to know whether the hon. member is
not at liberty to stand at the bar?
The SPEAKER—The hon. member for Greenwich is at
liberty to sit in that part of the house which is occupied by
members who have not taken the oaths. (Cheers.)
Mr. Hama said, as there appeared to be some mis-
apprehension on that side of the house with regard to the
motion which the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) meant to
propose on the following day, he wished to know whether
it was merely a similar motion to that which he proposed
last year with respect to the hon. member for the City of
London ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said the resolution which he intended
to propose on the following day, was precisely similar to
that which the house passed last year iu the case of Baron
Rothschild. If the hon. member applied to be heard, he
should propose his being heard, as Mr. O'Connell was, at
the bar of the house.

In reply to Lord D. STU A ILT,
Lord J. RUSSELL trill he should introduoe the motion
at 5 o'clock.

Mr. BRIGHT wished to ask the noble lord whether he
intended to leave the question in its present state, merely
moving the resolution of which he had given notice? If
that were all the noble lord proposed to do, they were just
where they were this time last year. (Hear, hear.) If
the noble lord intended to facilitate the settlement of the
question, it would be well for his to take the matter into
consideration before the house met again. (Hear, hear.)
Sir F. THESIGER said he should not bring forward his
motion for the issuing of a new writ, but content himself
with supporting the motion of the noble lord.
Mr. B. OSliOltNE—Wiil the noble lord (Lord J. Rus-
sell) now inform the house whether, after the worthy alder-
man has taken his scat, has spoken, and has voted three
times, he will prosecute him ?
Lord J. RUSSELL—As I stated, in effect, before, if the
hon. member for Greenwich wishes to be prosecuted, he
may find somebody else to do it. (Great laughter.)
Mr. ANSTEY would be glad to know what course the
noble lord would take if the hon. member for Greenwich,
on the following day, should prefer an appeal to the bar
of a court of justice. ("Oh, oh.")
Mr. WAWN hero rose to speak, but, on being informed
by the Speaker that there was no question before the
house, he resumed his seat.

On the order of the day for going into committee of ways
and means,

Mr. ANSTEY moved the adjournment of the house,
declaring that he should object to the despatch of any pub-
lic business until the great question of privilege had been
disposed of. The hon. member did nut, however, persevere
_with his motion.
Mr. DISRAELI appealed to the noble lord at the head
of the government not to delay the general business of the
house by proposing his resolution, especially as it did not
appear satisfactory to any hon. members on the ministerial
side of the house.

Lord J. RUSSELL thought that as he had stated,
when the house was full, that he intended to bring forward
the question on the following (this) day, and as many bon.
gentlemen iniyht have waived their own designs in conse-
quence, he was bound nut to depart from the course he
had announced.

The house then went into a committee of ways and
means, and agreed to some appropriation votes.

MEIteIIANT SEAMEN'S FUND BILL.

On the order of the day fur the third reading of this
bill,
Mr. MOFFAT moved the insertion of a clause, the
object of which was to confine the benefit of the fund
raised in each seaport to the town in which it was
subscribed.

Mr. LABOUCIIERE opposed the clause, on the ground
that many seamen, after subscribing to the fund in one
town afterwards settled in another.

Sir G. PECHELL supported the clause.
After a few words from Mr. DeNemt, the clause was
withdrawn.

Mr. LABOUCIIERE moved a clause to exonerate
trustees in caste where small sums were in dispute. It was,
he said, a carefully considered clause, and the result of an
understanding between the trustees and the Board of
Trade.

The clause was agreed to, and the bill read a third time
and passed.
GRAND JURY CESS (IRELAND) BILL.
This bill, an amended, was considered and agreed to.
GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH (No. 2) BILL.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the chair for
the purpose of going into committee on this bill,
Sir J. WALMSLEY moved as an amendment that the
aker do not leave the chair. He stated that at Great
Speaker do not leave the chair. Ho stated that at Great
Yarmouth 1,500 out of 2,500 ratepayerswcre objecting to the
interference of the Board of Heath in provincial affairs.
He deprecated these continual interferences. He believed
it was the intention of the Municipal Act to enable the
various boroughs in the kingdom to manage their own
affairs, and thus to raise themselves and the condition of the
inhabitants. His object in submitting the motion was to
compel the Board of Health to lay their provisional order on
the table of the house. _

After a few words from Mr. RVIIHOLD,
Lord SEYMOUR defended the general provisions of the
bill, upon the ground that as the drainage of the provincial
towns was excessively bad some such measure as the present
was necessary, with a view to the preservation of the lives
of the inhabitants.
The house divided—

For the amendment l2

Against it
The house accordingly went into committee, and the ya-
igous clauses being agreed to, the house resumed.
PETTY SESSIONS (IRELAND) BILL.
Upon the motion for going into committee on this bill,
Mr. M'CruLtott and Mr. Seclax expressed a hope that
at that late hour (a quarter after one o'clock) the bill would
not be proceeded with.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE mid that this was not an opposed
bill, and reminded the hon. and learned gentleman that
he had been himself a party to the measure.
Mr. McCULLAGH said he had not been a party to the
bill as it now stood.

.......
After a few words from Col. DUNNE,
The house went into committee; but Mr. McCum.aost
palmed that the chairman report progres., and ask leave to
sit again ; and the motion not being opposed, the house
resumed.

The house then went into committee on the Conveyance
of Mails by Beltways Bill, pro forma, and the further con-
sideration was appointed for Wednesday.
The Inverness Bridge (Advances) Bill paned through
committee.

VETERINARY SURGEONS EXEMPTION BILL.
The house having resolved itself into committee on the
above bill,
Mr. BOUVERIE moved that the chairman do leave the
chair.
Mr. NEWDEGATE supported the bill, as did also Mr.
Bass, who opposed the motion.
The committee divided, and the numbers were—
Ayes 24
Noes l3-11
The house resumed, and having disposed of the remain-
ing business, adjourned at a quarter to 2 o'clock.

BRITISH AND FOREIGN ANTI-SLAVERY SOCIETY.
—Last evering the annual meeting of the friends and pro-
moters of this society took place at Exeter Hall. Mr.
Samuel Gurney took the chair, and observed, in opening
the proceedings, that there never was a period in which
there was greater necessity for the exertions of this society
than at the present moment. He expressed his belief that
the British colonies were beginning to restorer themselves
under the free-trade system, and would soon be able to con-
' tend advantageously with those countries in which slavery
continued to be encouraged. He was much gratified by the
speech made by Lord Palmerston a few nights ago on the
subject of the slave trade; but he warned those who were
interested in this cause that, notwithstanding the prospect
held out by his lordship of a speedy termination to the pre-
sent system of slavery, the committee of the society must
persevere in the work they had begun.—Mr. E. Candler,
Mr. E. Thomas of Bristol, Mr. G. W. Alexander, and
several other speakers, ineludinc foreign and coloured gen-
tlemen, subsequently addressed the meeting, and the pro-
ceedings terminated.

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LONDON, TUESDAY, JULY 22.

A STRONG minority in the Lords is in favour of ad-
mitting the Jews to sit in parliament. A majority
in the Commons is in favour of admitting the Jews
to sit in parliament. Majorities of the electors in
two of our largest and wealthiest constituencies have
sent Jews to take their scats in parliament if they
can, in defiance of technical objections. It is clear
that the majority of the nation wills, not indeed that
this, or father, or any Jew shall be returned to par-
liament, but that it shall be free to any constituency,
that is so minded, to be represented by a Jew in
parliament.
This determination on the part of the public to
have our Jewish fellow citizens made eligible to par-
liamentary honours, is no whim or fancy of the hour.
It is a state of mind that has been brought about
by hard-headed reasoning, and has been of slow
growth. They who advocate the admission of the
Jews to parliament will not rest from their labours
until they have carried their point. If the majority
iu the Lords persists in its opposition, it may count
upon having Jewish emancipation bills sent up to it
year after year by constantly increasing majorities
of the House of Commons, and to witness such tur-
bulent scenes as that which was witnessed last night
in the lower house, until it gives way to some ear-
nest and angry expression of the national will.
There is but one way in which the dilfinviice be-
tween the houses on this point can be put an end
to, and that is by the Lords yielding. Until the
difference is put an end to, it will waste much of the
time of both houses, and give rise to many irritating
altercations every year. The Lords in five times re-
jecting the bills relating to this suli,ect, have done
quite enough to tell us (what we know well enough
without being told) that they yield with reluctance
on this point. Yield they must in the long run, and
the sooner the better for all parties.
When two parties possessed of equal authority take
different views of a practical question one of them
must give way. The House of Lords and the House
of Commons possess equal authority to throw out any
bill; when one of them is resolute to re,ect a bill,
and the other to affirm it, the controversy can only
be terminated by one of them yielding to the wish
of the other. In a case like the present, which ought
to yield?
The House of Commons represents the whole
nation—the peers included. We speak nut of the
unavowed but by no means secret influence exer-
cised by peers in returning members to parliament.
IVe speak of the privilege of voting at elections,
and of being returned to parliament, possessed by
the suns and brothers of peers. The titled tionilies
of thu land arc represented in the House of Com-
mons at least to an equal extent with the untitled.
The House of Commons represents the whole
people. The House of Lords, on the contrary,
represents only a section of the people, and a sec-
tion which with every advance made by the nation in
numbers, in wealth, and in intelligence, has be-
come a less and less powerful and important
minority. The House of Lords, in whose delibera-
tions peers alone have a decisive voice, might to give
way (whenever the one body or the other must) to
the blouse of Commons, in which the peers have
(indirivtly) a voice the same as other citizens.
We recognise the right of the Peers to a suspensive
veto upon any measure of legislation affirmed by the
Commons. M'e admit the advantage of having a
legislative body possessing the power to interview
delay, and leave time fur deliberate investigation into
measures which have received the sanction of the
more popular branch of the legislature. But since
the people of this country learned that they have
rights, and learned to Levert them, noire than a
suspensive veto has never been conceded to the
House of Lords. Nor is it in the nature of
things that more can be conceded. Powerful and
honoured so long as they continue a part of the
body politic, imbued with the same sentiments and
opinions, the Lords would be nothing, have been
nothing whenever they attempted to separate tie:m-
-ei:lves from the rest of the community and array
themselves in opposition to it. To this our whole
history from the time of the Long Parliament to the
passing of the Reform Bill bears witness.
But hew arc the Lords to be induced to yield in
the matter of the Jews by legal and constitutional
means? Their lordships (with no disrespect we
speak it) possess their full share of the national obsti-
nacy. They will go on rejecting measures for the
relief of the Jews as long as they believe
they can do so without incurring any earnest
and inconvenient pressure from without. They say
to themselves, "The Jews are few in number, con-
, fined to a few localities, it is impossible to awaken a
national feeling in their cause." The repetition of
attempts on the part of individual Jews to slip into
parliament by a side wind rather encourages them
in their opposition than otherwise, for they see that,
even with a liberal ministry in office, such attempts
create disunion between the official and the non-
official liberals. There is no chance of beating down
the opposition of the Lords until they are brought to
see and feel that the Jew question has become in
right down earnest a national question.
And this can only be done by making the removal
of the technical disqualifications of the Jews part of
some comprehensive and popular measure of parlia-
mentary reform. The question has been practically
raised as to whether any property qualification shall
be exacted from members of the House of Commons.
The question whether any creed qualification shall
be exacted from them belongs to the same category.
The abolition of all restrictions on the choice of re-
presentatives arising out of considerations of pro-
perty or religious opinion, would form a proper in-
gredient in the measure of parliamentary
.reform
which the PREMIERIMS pledged himself to bring for-
ward next session. If Lord JOHN Resseia. prepares
a new Reform Bill that can command the hearty
support of the people, and engrafts upon that measure
such a modification of the oaths exacted from mem-
bers ofliament as will admit the Jews, the cause
of the Jewpars will be carried by an irresistible cry of
" the bill, the whole bill, nothing but the bill."
Baron RoTnsCIIILD has invited his friends and
supporters in the city of London to meet him this
week to deliberate on their future movements. Let
them pass resolutions that the eligibility of the Jews
to sit in parliament ought to be provided for in Lord
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supporters of Alderman SALOMONS, in Greenwich,
do the same. And then let the example of these
two constituencies be followed by the reforming
liberals throughout the empire. After such an
expression of the popular will Lord Jolts could not
(we believe, he would have no wish to) refuse to
make such a proviso part and parcel of his promised
measure.

This will ensure the removal of the Jewish dis-
abilities, provided Lord JOHN'S Reform Bill prove
acceptable to the people. But how to ensure that
his Reform Bill shall be aeceptablo to the people?
In the same way. When the reformers throughout
the kingdom are speaking one good word for the Jews
let them pat in two for themselves. Lord JOHN
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