The Express.
London, England, 1847-03-09 00:00:00

shelakeer relief end Iffe
peemiekitllierheiiihet: '
essitsseled that the hem memdleralk be sealky not
heaths& the doodad yea' 11111 Walks& .It should be
remembered that, at -fhb time sif- Ike aides, the debt of
Engired wonted millions, while •dW of Ireland ems only
18 makes I, ered.ma that amount a Melina bad been made
fa Ike mount Odle tenth's, Ai iteeposier, he should be
chid le get all of the Melee, as belied would thou only
bamtliti my the taemoseet he awn debt.
Mr. D. CALIAOIIIIS mid he haw the Cabals pion
to whom the hue. mmilebse he Bath had elude& mai their
modern bad beta meet praiseworthy'Tbit bes.' thmilier
bad she alluded to a proprietor; near Mallow, a Mend of
kis (Mr lkEighan's) • but it should be tames AIM that
belt very little poverty in the sekidesiellielli of
Clow: the bulk of his property lay elsewhere. Adder
gentlemen bad been alkaloid to as keeping • peek ofheends .
be resided seer Fernley, end bed mankeelmi sionniemße
to the "laid fund ; sad, after delete so, tt wersly wet met
neseenory that he should mt. the to of hie b.
(Bear, beer, and laii#o2.) Ids wilted net to ateribukt.
modem for the noun et modost peesesi by say boo.iz
her • but he thought tie people nut of date eigeli set
concluding that the Be. teksa by the hen. doe_
*r
was one little calculated to promote the .1131/11,
which ought to exist at net • moment satire geemed.
Lord 0' BBNTINCK said, be bad IOW& milk
attentioe to the speech of the hoitoorable nieseine
for Bath ; but he had not heard a single argummll
to show how it could be either union or i
title to go into committee on this M. witheetZ
making it a condition that Ireland
___.elisabi beedekeled le
the income-tax. He thought the Leath& reopety (len.
land) Bill a good miser, In itself: it ethedelgsed mem*
to the country that no money would be kit making liberal
interest being paid ; and if no risk of leer was Immured, hew
could this country be injured by tesereifft is " and
increasing the wealth of lared P-, De Ole • liants3
would add to the revenue of thkeenalgibw
that the measure had not been seeder
instead of spending eight or ten tallow is seella meskillit
idleness, they had not spent more in 'deeper be the he.
prevenient of the land. He tht the seam at him
wield differ from dm hes. lier foe Beth, end Olt
ileglithmen would alehe Ig mlibeell begs to t
they could improve theiFT uf• (Rwm.h4.1.11b4
By a brier from Mr. , ihe In
21
Mlearned' the M. beg Su,
.d is utmost whenenge, and he treeled that, Mai
dhow sow mewed for Ireland. the mete sapid
wield be prodmed, sod that the people w he menet
he& idlellell sea Weary. Seeing neither wisdom ear meet
leatis rommeliuttr bee4embreihr Beth, he should
the telltultwt•
Awle
767/1. Ede. seirtiagat abeediet 1041. hese
eldneed in the spembet the hoe. • '6lPlihdled. and
dated the right MS:member for Mit Ithi.
baba the et the hem thweber for Hatt he teatime
bare maim beestittte On this 4 ens seedbed
that with equal which the evemery was
mely to give, the ripple ought besell.ested to equal
ess with the Ileglidi. The eidlp eirmeet 'await the
eerier' wee. 411116101 Wallet the Uthe Or lb Wog die.
Miras elmeteggiegehile lbw *Zebu thee
awns. Wee jelMeeed Abe the bed
of Ireland? Why was Ills Otis time) weld egg breed
Irishman deny that Isebeill wain to psi u
she. of taxes with thb eneweri Ti dime of thistlis==
he. bed seensebet,thwt lid/Mil was Omsk toiled are
highly se this eetet, lewi where wee the poor ? flee*
that ought te h. Wean*** NW, this •••017*r dos
ther adman If Indeed paid -he rum we mese diet its
share of tustieeb let It he mods plelb dm pee* et this
eventry ; etherseiee, under the theseftemerd de-
meads tee messy, they brisk a 1111 *qualities of
herder. In • sheet time, the pesple errs* esmateles would
hew ea egmetenity at eesitieseing whether Judie had been
done ; ma-they -wield showed' them who led Mei their
=ta ass tithe herd amigo el the people that they
no lessee base the power of doing so or at Is that
complete justice should be dose between the, two tematee et
thebtr. tr.eidILNES said that the time had been extremely
ill-chosen for bringing forward this unwise resolution—this
merely abstract proponition. The ppeeoopple of England bed
already taken this question into con ide ration, and their
opinion was attested by the liberal subscriptions which wars
going on in every town and village of this country. (Hear.)
When the people of Ireland bad suffered a loss equivalent to
13,000,0001. or 14,000,0001.,5ure1y this was not the time for dis-
cussing the question brought forward by the hon. member
for Bath. Such a matter ought not, en any account, to be
mingled with the consideration of the extraordinary state of
Ireland. After that country was restored, as he hoped
soon would be, to a state of well-being, he trusted they
all be prepared to lay the foundation of a better state at
things there than had heretofore existed. (Hear.)
Mr. MUNTZ said he entirely agreed with the principles
enunciated by the hon. member for Bath ; and had that hon.
member brought forward a substantive motion, he should
have been disposed to vote for it ; hid it was quite out of
place to bring forward this motion now, the question being
not one of gift, but of loan. (Hear.)
Mr. S. CRAWFORR admitted that Irish landed propri-
etors ought to be liable To the same taxation as the landlords
of England. He thought the motion ill-timed ; but, while
asking the people of England for relief for his Buffering
countrymen, he felt compelled to affirm the proposition of
the hon. member for Bath.
Mr. It. YORKE said be could not recognise the consis-
tency of giving relief to the people of Ireland with one hand,
and, with the other, imposing on them a burden which must
involve the destruction of numbers. (Hear.)
Mr. JAMES said that there were gentlemen who,
though they agreed with the principle laid down by the
hon. and learned member for Bath, yet stated their into-
don to vote sgainst it, on the ground that this was not the 1
proper time to bring it forward. He agreed with every word
which the hon. and learned gentleman had uttered, and as
be was of opinion that they should be ready to do justice at
all times, he would vote most conscientiously in favour of
his motion.
The house then divided on Mr. Roebuck's resolution.
For the motion 2B
Against it
The house then went into committee
Clauses 1,2, and 3 were agreed to with verbal amend-
ments.

On clause 4 being proposed,
Mr- HAMILTON moved that the following words be in-
serted : " planting with young trees, erecting tile works for
draining tiles, farm bridges and gates, mills for the =itching
and preparation of flax mills for the crushing and prepara-
tion of rape and linseed."
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
object of the bill was to improve land and to increase its
annual value. He did not see how this amendment would
increase the value of land. The erection of mills was looked
upon as no means of improving land, and no provision was
made to that effect in the bill except in the cue of mills for
the grinding of corn for the poor people.
Mr. VESEY supported the amendment, as he thought
that it would encourage the reclamation of waste lands.
The Earl of LINCOLN stated that he did not agree with
the hon. member for the University of Dublin as to the
advantage to land to be derived from the erection of tile
works. He agreed with the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
in thinking that the doable object of the bill was, in the &sir
place to provide labour, with a view to meet the existing
distress, and in the next, as was the original intention, to
increase the power and the production of the soil. In
carrying out that object, he saw the necessity of drawing
a distinction as to the labour that ought or ought not to be
employed. He was of opinion that they ought to limit the
operation of this bill to such works as mould be executed by
unskilled labour. He saw no Trion why
salpose
the extension of the act of last year to ell
works in which unskilled labour couldHe
thought that the sum of money to beze mas
small, in comparison with the extensive as
He objected to that part of the ha wldeli gave
powers to the tenants without to elm= of their
landlords to borrow money for the erotism et buildings.
Mr. SHAW supported the amembesed,lme ems of opiake
that it did not no far enough. • • •
Mr. S. O'BRIEN also amp:stall it.
• Sir D. J. NORRBYS thought that it real& le pregnable
to leave the money be the heeds et the who
he had no doubt would use proper drumlin la ft
to the meet useful method of ropieyks the odd •
proving the land. He took the oppeetwoay et rand* to
the orawatior made by the hon. iretair Balk wham
he was sot to see in his plam, resold* a Seiler wadi
he lad He (Sir flaraps)thsestit, hen
what he here of the Ws= of die beta is esemittee
that oath =Woes es be had =premed bed has hi
the rade parr than be propounded to =slaw et
*t beer.
el.
IL&WDON sgiosd with the last spear es the pro-
pel* of rdying ea the roger* and aseretlea of the

Sir G. Oft/Y said that wade this bill it was jissal to
give this runt an introit in and a power of with
the peppery in his . The principle Ohba was
to take cars that rats nada diva be of a
'1
=rim (Kr. ilisnikaa),, Irs'or="1.111::not Viperthe-
manor nanny, renerk ray map be sera for the
purpose of bore titortUdlad &PIMAr
radvelratrthoed=in mallasontum kaaS=tirt all :deal-
turd laser entslionki II the Lisaes. who
after ray pa dem eight thnl rant, llktwas al
that altar as oncossesoment to be girder* tims am was
earrobodvaak, peek word not be Reel ionwilikces
rem ing_tkos.
Mr. P. HOWARD said that Cnaborkad had mak great
ftrogras to Ilk draining, bat it was necenary that dr works
milord add kr r papaw, and le thought. tharekes,
that ths isommirspois is ild not be hared.
The lad of LIHCOLIi 'regretted the yard to wide
the gmanuamt sear imslinsd to go ; he biped, hawser,
ray word leave soma sates to private watepro in Im-
bued, eftd, alleralege tke landlords and rime to drab their
bed.' The ben of a =Moe sad a half was a moll sus
to dor Withal was required to the igetivaasnit of Led in
Ireland, when ths largo spas ore era it was to
was cosoldorsd. In this view be was home eat by as=
of the hes. bort. (Sir D. likamps) the
Ohms** ether day. By Theitheyeiedeare in der Zanilyil
which be (the Earl of Lincoln) giameNearmaaa saisloald
kwield be riser.
D. I. MERIT'S said, the whole ajar of Ilb War
was to show that key did not make prole sinney, bet
Vied
Kr.ilaratitt the provider litho dims were
Aga kr
few weak
.ga Mr. W. V. ervairr,
The CIiAIfOIII.LOR of the EXONEODIUI Oak if he
Mae dimmed to aim ap_ say masanded2„ fit weehl be to
the onagnead by tbp aegis Fla (Ps al lass a). bat
Briber ribs amsedrone would ' pormanaat
keproverst of Ow bed, which was the *a inks UM