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struck out.

The Lords' assetSdajdts to this bill were considered and
oltot4 PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
The committee on this bill was resumed.

Clause ri was agreed to.
On clause 9,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said tint in consequence
of the objections which had been urged yesterday, he pro-
posed to stoke out the find part of the clause down to the
word "effect," anal to add other words, for the purpose of
requiring the commissioners to cause every application for
letters patent as ode under the act to be forthwith advertised
in the I owdm Gazette, and allowing persons to give notice
of objections for it lays after the publication of such ad-
vertisement; hut aR,r the expiration of it days the specifi-
cation, with the objections, if any, was to be referred by
the law officer to the examiner or eaantincrs, and on his or
their being satisfied that the nature of the invention was
correctly descrioed a certificate to that effect was to be
given to the inventor, and be was to have protection for sin
months. •
The clause is altered was agreed to.
As were elapses to U.
On clause IT,

Mr. MUNTZ mid he should late to know what was the
meaning of the word " utility" in the clause ? Did it
mean that the invention was to be mail to the magic
before a patent would be granted ? He did not think that
any one or two individuals could decide as to the utility of
an invention. He thought it would be better if the word
were omitted altogether, and he should take the sense of the
committee upon it.
Mr. C. LEWIS said that the meaning of the word
in the clause meant private utility—utility
to the individual from an object which had en exchang-

able value.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that there was great disadvantage
in discussing a law of such importance at so late a period
of the sessino, and in so thin a house. (Hear, hear.)
There were, it appeared, conflicting opinions entertained as
to the meaning of the word " utility," and he should,
therefore, wish to know from the hon. and learned gentle-
man (the Attorney-General) on what principle the law ad-
visers bad heretofore recommended letters patent to be
granted / They were about to-create new officers, who, as
it appeared to him, were to exercise the duties under the
responsibility of the law advisers of the crown, end now
they were going to relieve them from that responsibility,
and to delegate the inquiry to other.. (Hear, hear.)
The ATTORNEY-GNEItAL said he had never known I,
a case decided in which it was nut admitted that the inven-
tion possessed some utility for tie public. He did not
agree in the construction put upon the word utility by his
hon. friend (Mr. Lewis). (Hear, bear.) Ile considered
that the word utility meant public Utility. (Hear, hear.)
He did not agree with the right hon. gentleman (Sir J.
Graham) as to the duties of the law officers of the crown.
The law officer' were not bound by the report of the exa-
miners. The examiners would only, it he might say to,
pioneer the way for him. If there was no conflict as to the
invention the patent would be granted, but if there was a
conflict he would refer the matter to the examiners for their
report, from which, aided by that general scientific know.
ledge which now formed a part of every liberal education,
he should expect to be so acquainted with the general
nature of the invention as to be able to form a judgment fur

hims,lf. (Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. Henley, Mr. Ricardo, and

Sir 1). L. Evans,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that the word be

After some uhsetssion,.

• committee • .thd
The divided—
}'or
Yor the retention of the word utility
Against it
The word was theretorc struck out.
The clause was then agreed to.
Clauses up to IN were agreed to.
On clause IN, which limits the operation of the bill to the
United Kingdom, the Channel Islands, and the Isle of
Mao,
Mr. LABOUC HERE said, in reply to an observation of
Mr. Greene, that it had been thought better not to involve
the coionies in all the difficulties of their own patent law—
(hear, hear)—but to leave them to their own free action.
Sir J. (MADAM said it was quite clear the more they
entered into the discussion of the provisions of the bill the
greater wear thedifficulties which beset them. The hon. mem-
ber for Birmingham bad given notice of an important
amendment on the 2.ith clause, which was connected with
the present clause ; the important clauses 'slating to the cx•
Millie bad yet to be considered, and since the bill arrived in
that house, 31) new clauses had been introduced. Ile feared
that if they were to consume the remainder oh the day in dis-
cussing these clauses, to the exclusion of other subjects, the
arrangements which had been made for the termination of
the session would be found to be inconsistent with a proper
consideration of those matters. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LADOUCIIERE regretted that his right hon. friend
had cast the weight of his great authority on the side of those
who olejected to the passing of this bill in the present ses-
sion. Of course, it the house was determined that the bill
should not pass, he could not help it, hut should regret that
the house should come to any such derision, for he knew
that it would cause great disappointment, and lead to great
practical inconvenience. If the hill should not pass the
fault would not be his, for he should do all he could to get
it through. (Hear, hear.)
After wane further discussion the farther discussion on
the clause was postpone d; the chairman reported progress,
and obtained lease to sit again in the evening after the mo-
tions were disposed of.
EPISCOPAL AND CAPITULAR ESTATES
MANAGEMENT (No. 2) DILL.
The report on this hill was brought up and agreed to, and
the bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow
((this day).
COUNTY COURTS FeRTHER EXTENSION DILL.
On the motion that this bill be read a third time, some
new clauses and amendments were agreed to, and the bill
was read a third time and pawed.
NUISANCES REMOVAL AND DISEASES
PREVENTION BILL.

Lord SEYMO(.llE7tatWthailt VZl;l7nt his intention to
proceed with this bill any further. (Hear, hear.) He
should, therefore, move that it be postponed for three
munths.—Agreed to.
ST. ALBANS BRIBERY COMMISSION BILL.
Ou the consideration of the Lords' amendments on this

bill,
Mr. BOUVERTE moved that the Lords' amendments to
this bill be disagreed to, as being inconsistvnt with the pre-
amble of the bill.
The motion was agreed to, and a conference appointed.
NEW FOREST DEER REMOVAL BILL.

This bill was read a third time and passed.
The house then adjourned till 5 o'clock.
The house re-tio,einbled at live o'clock.
Mr. E. Lt. 'IOC gave notice that to-morrow he would
ask Lord John Russell " Whether, looking to the fact that
under the late franchise law the voters in boroughs in
Ireland have been reduced to eight thousand, and also to
the unequal and unsatisfactory state of the representation
in that country, he would be prepared to extend his new
lteform Bill to 'retold ? Whether he would be prepared
to appoint a commission to inquire into the statute law of
Ireland, with a view to its amendment and consolidation ?
Whether he has any objection to lay on the table of the
house a copy of any letter written by the Chief Justice of
the Queen a hooch in Ireland to the Lord Chancellor or the
' Attorney-General fur Ireland in reference to the system of
legislation fur that country and the unsatisfactory state of
the law Y"

On the motion of Col. Itono.vir the following returns
were ordered: Returns of the number of each of the fol-
lowing motions, which have been made in the house before
the orders of the day and notices have been disposed of, or
in any committee of the whole house, in the seseions Is ID,
ROO, and : I. That this house do now adjourn.
2. That this house, at its rising, will adjourn till Monday
neat, or any future day. 3. That a debate be now ad-
journed. 4. That the chairman of a committee of the
whole house du report progress. 5. That the chairman da
now leave the chair. And distinguishing, iu each class, the
number of such motions which ware withdrawn, negatived,
or agreed to by the house or the committee, and the num-
ber upon which there were divisions. And, of each formal
question put by Mr. Speaker and by the chairman of com-
mittees in the pewees* of the Ecclesiastical Titles Assump-
tion Bill through the house, in the order in which they
were severally put, distinguishing those put in the com-
mittee from those put in the house, and stating iu each ease
whether the woe was withdrawn, agreed to, or negatived,
and whether a division took place."
THE EXHIBITION.
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Colonel SU:11113)RP wished to put to the Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade, ur to the Vint Cone-
missioner of Wood, and Forests. a question on what
he considered an important subject. Before the Ex-
hibition was commenced he ventured to predict that
it would lead to gross desecration of the Sabbath, and he
now feared that his prediction had been fulfilled. Ile
wished to know whether it was true that articles connected
with the flue arts had been removed from the Exhibition
fur the purpose of being copied un Sunday ?
Mr. C. LEWIS said that in consequence of the notice
which the lion. and gallant colonel was so good ax to give
hint, he had made it his business to see the chief officer of
the customs, who was iu charge of the Exhibition builc:iner,
and he could inform hint and the house that no goods
whatever had been removed tram the Exhibition building
on Sunday fur any purpose whatever. No goods had
been taken out of bond un Sunday fruin the Exhibition
building.
Col. SIIITHORP said that was not an answer to his
question. He wished to know whether or not any copying
hail been proceeded with on Sunday.
Mr. C. LEWIS said he could out give any answer on the
part of the committee of management. lle could only
peak with regard to the good, which were iu charge of the
Customs; he had no information with respect to anything
else.
Colonel SIBTIBMIP (with great encrgy)—l will leave
the house, whether I was right or wrong.
Lord J. ItI'SSEI,I, said it would be a great convenience
at that period ut the session if hon. members who had
motions on the paper would postpone them, in order that
the patent law amendmeut bill might be at once proceeded
with.

Colonel NALU El said be had been so unfortunate in
hi. Worts to bring on the motion of which h had given
notice that lie did hope there would be no objection to his
introducing it then.
Sir DE L. EVANS hoped the hon. and gallant member
would nut obstruct the progress of the bill nuntioned by
the noble lord.
Col. SALWEY said he should be happy to postpone his
motion if the noble lord (Lord J. Russell) would ensure
him a house after the government bill had been dis-
posed or.
Lord J. RUSSELL was afraid it would be out of his
power to ensure a house in the present session, but thought
be could venture to assure the hon. and gallant gentleman
that, in the nest session, he would be able to bring forward
his motion. (,Laughter.)
Col. SALA% ET said, on the understanding that he would
positively bring it forward to-morrow he would withdraw it.
Lord D. STL Ala moved that the house do now adjourn,
and proceeded to complain of the course taken by the
government with regard to the motions of independent
members.
After a few words from Sir B. Hsu,
Lord J. RUSSELL said the only pound on which he
had made the request he had done, was the public interest.
lle slid not know that it was of any importance to the
government that there should be a bill passed with regard
to patents. His hon. and learned friend the Attorney-
General thought it would be rather a disadvantage.
Colonel SIB rHoRr said he bad a motion to bring for-
ward with regard to .1 female who had been most grossly
treated hy the First Commissioner of Woods and iorests.
It now appeared, too, that there were four or five other
respectable persons who, after being permitted by the late
Dukes of Sussex and Cambridge to ociupy places in the
park, had been ejected to suit the foreigners and the Crystal
Palace. He (Colonel Sibthorp) would not be put down by
the First Lord of the Treasury or any member of the go-