The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-03 00:00:00

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Dna raclitti=gable rem tba Inaba vresi e:r:(Ciarois.i
the WWI al OM oral.
inattwerovo ansbm land
•>i! was adiqd ee •
goverewent la Inlet d a that it is the . • was ast—tbe w It..
whisk Ire bffesneed ft, and the landowiess ere reepossible. liiillts were crowded, the e wawa theca ass,
Ido set mesa to say that the Roue st Oesatens is not a gensisi tbasiedoa, and lilt not bop kr the banal at
10=1 for tektite the evil atavism whisk pea landowners .1842, wbbli wee sae, and the gradate vas to of
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• proffered, bat what lowa to asserj is that trada whisknediftig tir Irstrad-=.4 br W-466-
Ibis advise has been slimiest Invariably Wed ars by the go- than the _elidesilteskpoyt voila sle b.m.
mutest This it is white has peeved Wel to the tate t was so wash &limbos tletWitt
Ireland; yea Ulster wee lave stood la ae way of improve- ..) - teilliffaing Ibis haft the
seats is the transhiss, is the aura, and in the load roes. asmobilasass 11111117a7r- do s, rpm op badima alto,
m
tha ; yea have perehesed protestant aseendass3, awl the geiber. My buse-lbiesid the laseabar tar Stockport (tar.
irk* paid for it is the rain and degradation of year reentry. Loraltaw) at Stoskpeet at that tier, and
(Rear, bear.) as meek for the rota which lam about eines than ha laid far short or a hundred thou•
to give in support of the rate la aid. la the asaS place mewl wends, In a very large and epleadid reana'acturftet
I Mild *boom that if an Weans tax were to be sethefituted ealetit la that town. In raw, ths rivets who
fora rats in aid, I think I isoaldahow substantial re areas why are new oarrying ea the manatastaring businew in Stork-
it would set be satisfactory. la the girt place, I take part MI of 8 mss sabstaatial ebaractur Wm those who were
ea eitsetios to the inpodtioa of eo boom tat for Ile so- emit away by Le. celaraitin 01842. (Rear, hear.) Well,
of - (".. Rate, hear " ft is a very sorrowful most I east feel as stub far those
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press pigpen SO?poSpitrimirllPS2‘. t _
sea all fiats.) This a is a heal °bleed' on at the
oaten (Rear, beer.) id that than has be en
a dentwat Wind by a alma des to wan place, which
has monad favourably few the substitution of an income
tax is boa of the twin aid. I always fled thee theproposition
which is Weeot Somata by the government, if fora new tax,
is the ow which is disliked, WI conclude; that it testified
et the rate is aid aa Wow tax for Ireland had beet pm
weed, that wad have beta repudiated with quite as math
vigour as the propontin now before the how. And
sow I will address a few words to the general question
of Ireland, which I *Lek may be Wry mitered upon
this debut, after the speech of the right hoe. baronet
opposite. (Hear.) What have we been doing all the Si.
era ? With the exemption of the Jewish Oaths au, sad the
eaviption laws, our attention has been solely taken up
with Irish matters. From the incemeat recurrenee of the
Irish dente it would seem that the wrongs sad evils endured
by Oho lash people ere incurable, or else that we lack states-
man The noble lad (.1 Rumell) has no poles to propose for
(1 Rear," and a hush.) If -he bad we should
have haw tell by him what it it. The poor-law as a mew
of reseetrelles Ireland is a delusion. So is the rate is
I do not beam is the repainting Weer either at the poem
law or et the *rate la alt. There may wen we where
homers will asinine to employ labourers for the wee par-
Wee la gennating dismi Iron coming en the poor-rates,
len smsot lithe desire dials will net
theatapieweent enlist, isturodlr poor rata will sot •
peer law adds to pa by inviting to idleness. h
deem the tad dosaeraisee hiswhernmeiw.
It Mg tepee, nes relieve, it will inamme, but
▪na awe Woe wife gempabes. (Chow.) The paw-
ner sad the sett in aid aroe therefore, utterly wealth, for
Mk a purges., 'lt Is Iles thence of sir demand ter
'Uhler that "seettitutse the real 'evil of Rohe& In the tin
hissord whose meal labour is aboolutely worth nothing. It
to sot that &Mai people will not work. There exist. in
Inked a lenewhie went of employment. The lands there
why a papsted Sabra. If the people of Ireland were
set to week they would gala their andante ; but
if this wise is not adopted they must either
continue to be ' supported out of the taw, or else be
left to starve. In order to show how great is the
general poverty in Ireland, I will read • statement
of the comparative amount of legacy duty paid in
the two csountriet. In England, in the year 1844, the
amount of capitol on which legacy duty was psid was
44,393,8871. In Ireland, in 1846, the wow of capital
en which legacy duty we paid was 2.140,0211. • The popu-
lation of thelattet being nearly oar half oldie hewer, whilst
the proportion between the capital paying legacy duty it only
fee-twentieth. In the year 1844 the legacy duty paid in
Ingland eau 1,124,4361., with a population of 111,009000. In
@sedan kw 74,1 lel., with a poWlatiogeof 3,003,000, whilst
Inked paid sly 63,8181., with a population of 8,000,900.
lbw heleiffsred the strongest potable proofs of the poverty
et Intend. the looking ever the Imports et the poor law
Inseams, I Ind them Swim with statements of the
trostekedaset whisk prevailed to the distressed districts of
Ireland. The pastas are fereado the deetrted,toehty
is direr
tabour is whets„ he is not to be had
for its employsint. The repine o the impostors my
that this entsetraphe her only bee bastented, and not origi-
nated, by the fallen of the piston mop daring the last four
pm', and that all seen penand of any intelligence must
have foresees what would ultimately berme. Tat being
the owee, in what manner are the Irish people. to sub-
sist in 'Aron ? Then is the lead, sal thew is la-
bour enough to bring it into eadvation But such is
the sten ia which the load is placed; that capital wan
be employed era ft. You have tin up the raw mate-
rial ia seat • manner—you have crested suck a MO-
soggy of lead by your laws and your mode of dealing
with it, so to realm it dike a curse to tb_ • was and to the .
owners of it. Why, lets* ask, should land be tied ep any
mare this any other raw material ? If the 'eapply Mouton
wool were limited to the hands of the Brow and the
what would be the when of the Lancashire
inßratfictories ? What the autaufseteries would be ander such '
a monopoly. the lead in the county of Mayo actually is
cadet the system which prevails with respect to it in Ire
Lad. But land carries with it territorial h.fiiteoet, which
the legislature will sot interfere with lest it should be dl.-
turbid. Land is owed, and must not be touched. The
sight has. geatlentaa the President of the Boerd.of Trade
wllademtad what I mesa when I allude to the Laud
limegnownset Company which the legislature is ready.to
anther ter hand, but which it fears to suffer to exist ia
SOW; lest the territorial inflames whisk ever 'nom-
Mks des pesos of landed estates should be lest or dial-
abbe& Bat one of the dia.:tattles to whisk • remedy
min be applied is the defective tidos, whisk can-
tle salt y be got over ceder the pretest system of en-
tails. This is we tit the question to which the HOO2O of
Cconatens meat very soon One its vary snieua attention.
This there eases the game= of settlements. Now, I do
not mew to ray there ought aot to be any settlements made ;
bat what I mesa to say is, that they are ea bound up
dad entangled with the system of entails as
to present laropetable difileultin in the way of dealing with
lead sea marketable commodity. The radios of making
settlements is news, hada to endhat litigation,
and wooer or biter the landed chases must sink
nadir it. The Irish proprietors have also another diM
tatty to cement with, and that is their extravagance. It is
ethl—for I wan vouch for the fact myself=that they
keep too way horses and dogs. (Hear, hear.) I do not
mesa to say that an Irish (madman may sot Wend his
nate as he Assess ; but I can only observe, that he cannot
both speed his mosey and have it too. Mink if, they cast
their pride ea ow ado, sal went honestly to work—if In-
stead of their yews men waiting, os it is commonly termed,
for • esemaission they were to go into butians, they
would be far better and mars usefully employed,
and they would find that the loss huncliatieg
esnlitiett atlas two. (Hear, hear) Another bane of Ire-
land is the prevalence of life int. rests in landed property
Ibsen Rader such a system the had can neither be im-
=an said. Now what has the noble lord (Lord J.
dont towards grappling with all these questions?
WO** Aboulately nothing. I think him very unwise in
setpeopeadiag to himself the momentous question "What
del ha nee for Ireland?" The right hon. baronet has got
*glen Re wand upon its outline on Friday last. But I
4.0 wleadars it has yet taken that distinct tors which it
wet amens la Wm that the how may take week Ina of
It. I shahs we of the measures which the right hon.
bowel lationtes he woad carry into effect, but there are
etherparts °this prop:oak which are vague and impracticable.
I think if it is believed in Ireland that a commission is to
be mrosiated to take charge of the distressed unions of the
amen and wea—that the whole thing is to be managed
through a sew department of the government,
and all wih-
oat the attest trouble to themselves, that more than ever
then will a clinging to their wretched property of beak-
rust Matta and more than ever ma indisposition to adept
those sassemet which us still open to them, in the direstimi
is which the right boa. baronet wishes to proved.
(Haar.) Pa right hon. baronet stated is his first ewe ea
thiamitithth ke dill not wish the tranthr et Fenny Whitby
'WIN a and ea Friday he Meted that he was
amp Milt ewe to allowing matters to aw ea is their
mend woe, for by that means land wit be amsetwally
&Mem& Well, bat tape what ormildne- wadi the
olght ha
bonnet bay had ia band ? wail he
wile the eine eireamstanese, and at the sane wile,, se be-
Weeld bay ea estate is Tann= or 84bInale
It en • taw wto the w Walk Cl
felonies*e go
an estanbe matee and
go eat wenn el thC
theapasnetAke bersain-ra theapease whisk he hopes aril
18118 tor == ell, the dleadtt to which nevelt a-
$
ts le woes astodoodiff he .
mod thin was be in vedemplisa for net el DAM
ti lobe then& the Msashr et bed), Wept the le
litho intend nook shelieme se cheap late the at
losliamen Betedesin and Irishman toe ha .
.5....1.1111 seine It wit sue, all ila
Omaha awe ins .Cot. )Thume. boo",
ii-stabi%erYetlmlisatwisau hat. as ifit were ea extrrot-
diem theamelat. Maslen mamba leans parehming what
is Marto what it Wm' why, than he is aot a very feasible
new teleshletelle Ind 1. (" Keer," sad &laugh.) If he
willgelato Galway Wm wrath per acre
ihilltroriliTtees wean la England, ha honk mistakes ; but
the hot le, I believe that not onlii2illeglith and Scotch ca-
pital, bat that math Irish capital would be expended in
tokenthase et Who is the and wok it the ends
the right bea. haw vse Me inview ware ihalltatend
by this hone. (Rom, lam.) Dot we have a ease he pow
wbi allortleas wear apes this qatetisa, and it is
• ease with wlikh the ben. bareast, the number he
Tawerth, sad the ben lawn said Nor (Sir J.
Grahafa), ere wry . I ellen le the we Cl hash-
pest la 1842. Owns to • warden et antemeitaasee—l weal
go hate the wake of the wi kiwoit that Is estded—but
owns to a wain of eireendennee, hem Me to 1848 there
was • 'Wined slaking in the esnedia of Steapert—he
property depreciated to a lanteatan edeaL Oss maa lots
eseporq, as he Sought, worth 116810111. et 90.0001. Is two
inn aba it WI for Bale more thee 10,0001. Stew that
thin the see et nee pensa, the. stagnant to be • puma et
=,bee bed guildhall' the penshisineds. In 1842 the
et the posr tate avenged trials. len. la Sanwa.
hen No% 4, 1841, to May 80, 1842, the Wan levied wen
In la Ihe penal, realities the swot at 19,1441. I've&
J. 91, lilt, to Aug. 2 at the we year the rates levied
were 7e. le the peuad, sad the unseat rated 21,9481. Awl
bear la Weida at that tine illedipset was in prow ot
thowerade quitted the place—when
erne' veep lit seine a twat is them—sens lege
:111.gewlemas ding a giod Wien, wiseled=l.l:l1hr
.thma their miss he feet, 8 as as Mt a
of haw weep* • nron esawn
zn::relah-y., Galway, ar nog weettninewily of as
heat this moment of dimuse smentst ea maculated ewe
own* (Rear, hear.) New whet ems dew in
hich Stethedtpoit ?
Then wee a conatimion of Inquiry, w than
Mine Secretary appointed. ,They made an admirable
the last paragraph of which ought to be
us▪
ed be. every one who wishes to know the charecese
of the people of Stockport. (Rem, hear.) Mr. Twisleton,
of them said that they were a noble people,
aatudlikb4y the minions which they made to avoid be-

persons •is say man 7, tot we same all Ulm& to einem-
stances rub as those Mika they anith. There ate
tubs in all sham of society, and is all occupations in
which we may fume; end when we have, as sow, in Ire-
land, a state of things, a grievous ealemity not to b. (quailed
ander the sun, it is the duty of this home notes barriers
with the ordisary sad -natural curie whisk einem-
stemma take upon such eons cos, and not re flinch from
whet is necessary for thi ssfety of the people from any
Ellththen sympathy sicker with the ownen of codes-mills or
ths=tors of estates. (Cheers.) Now, I want
to remove evseyototacle it the way of the free sale
dia. (Rear.) I believe that in that Bee the ooly security
Zitibee der the restorodea of the distressed districts of '
The question of a parliamentary tide is most int-
'Mlit• but I understand tbat the difficulty of this orison
span of entails beyond peewee now lieintli see
UMW you scut go back to a long search of 60 yearss
you eta make it quite clear that the title is absolutely Menu
The right hoe. baronet suggested that the Lord Clutheellar
skull be meted. Well, that's a very severe moons. (A,
lamb.) ' I 10/peed last year that there should be a new
'mart senihMed in Ireland far the adjudisatiost rit cams
ematieeta with had, and for no other purpose, and %tat it
elitilabl thin Wiley, the present Courts from much .bf the
linshienswith which they wee, now eneembertd. Mt Ido
aelfemy that even suet- a court woild amid m cued'
*ltainif h *were my much more speedr 1p its
Ilins thee:Units marts. (Hear, hear.) thuhswWte=he
,•114WW4 herd Chansollor is .dmitW ono bona Meeilogpdge as
evsg sat la the Court of Chancery ; hoe Inds roam timid as
, and inert as adenoma. And' if I ;us Not Mi-
nk.% he wen in a gteat -newton responsible for the failure
of sin bill fee hesistailas the sake of secumbered estates last
swiss. .Tha government must have known, as well ps I do,
tint tint, measure amid not seemed, and that tie chase
which seas intreducied, out the third reedits' I believe, made
it imperils/is to week it. There is another point with regard
to. intestate estate.. I feel bow tend r:y MIS 01114 speak
upon a question like this. Bteß the right hoe. gootteman,
with all his authority, appeared, when touching oil it, as a
gentlemen observed to me the other night, to be walking
upon eggs which he was very much afraid of hatakieg.
(Laughter, in which Sir IL Peel jolted.) I certainly sever
heard the right hoc. gentleman steer though somanyeinuosi-
dee in a ease, and hardly at last dared he some to the
question, • became he was talking about land—the
sacred lend! (A laugh.) We are all in a mistake
about land—l was so myself once; but I have lived to
get. through it. I believe land to have nothing peculiar
We nature which does not belong to other property, and
everything that we have done with the view of treating land
4illerently from other property has been a blunder; a fate
setae which we mut retrace, an error which lies at the
hmistimi of very much of the pauperism and wanlof em-
=t which so generally prevails. (Cheers Now
ward to intestine estates, I ant tdid that the oust of
Uri Ye awn roped the law of primogeniture— Bat I
Asa% Weil them t s repeal the law of primogeniture in the
tteaee ealablesi by some people. I don't want them to
meet Weespesen of IFranee, by which a division of property
keempeilleL I think that to forth the division of pro.
party by lam is just as contrary en mound piaci*.
sod natural rights as to prevent in division, as
is dons by our law. (Hear, hem.) If a man
Mom to am the unnatural and mid part of leaving
the whet, of his property to one child, I should not, in that
partindar, certainly, look with respect upon his memory ;
but I would not interfere to present the tree exercha of his
will. I thiak, however, if a man die by chance without a
that it is the duty of the government to seta high mewl as-
ample, sad to divide the property equally among the children
of **former owner, or among Mow who may be said to be
W belie; among thews, in fact. who would fairly parthipate
.in his pommel estate. If that spew of leaving to the only
son were followed out in the owe of personalties, it would
lead to immediate confusion, and, by destroying the minds
social system, to a perfect anarchy of property. (dew). Why
then should that rune he. followed with regard to land ,
The repeal of that I awyruld not of neemsity destroy the cutout •
but this house would no longer give its suction to a practice
which is bad, and I believe that gradually there would be a
more just appreciation of th. it duties in this remelt by the
great body of testator. Then with regard to life interests,
I would make an alteration them I think that they
should be allowed to grant leases, of course only
on each term* as. should ensure the snoaesgr from
fraud, and that estates should be permitted to be
charged with the sums which wen expended in ,their ins
provessent. Next, with regard to the registry of land. In
many European countries this is dons, and high. legal
authorities atlirm that it would not be difficult tO accomplish
is this country. You have year ordnance survey. To make
the survey messeary for a parka registry of dude through-
out the kingdom would not cost more than 91. an acre, aid
if you had your plans engraved it would be no great
'Whim to the expense. There eats be no reason
why the 1111140WINIS should not have that advantage con-
ferred upon them, because, in addition to the public benefit,
it would increase the value of their land, by several years'
pinkies. Dir. Senior stated that it there were the same
ready mesas for the transfer of land as at present existed
for the transfer of personelty, the value of land would be in•
dressed, if I mistake not, by nine yeses' purchase.. 'This is a
subject which I would recommend to the hoe. member
for Buckinghamshire, now distinguished as the advocate of
the landed interest. (Hear, hear.) Then with ',earl to
stamps, I think that they might be reduced, at any rate fee
a number of yeses, to a nominal amount. In fast I would
make any sacrifice for the purpose of changing land from
the hands of insolvent and embarrassed owners into those
of solvent persons, who would admihistrate it in
a manner usefully and adventageously to the country end j
themselves. There is another proposition with regard to
the wide lands of Ireland. The government rude a pro-
*al last year for obtaining thou waste lands and bring*
them into cultivation. That I thought injudisiose Bet
they might take those lands at a valuation, and dividing them
into farms and estates of moderate sire, midst tempt par-
chasers from different parts of the UnitKingdoni. By such
means I believe that a large proportion of the best of the
waste lands might be brought int* cultivation. I believe that
these are the only means by which capital can be attracted
to that enuotry. The noble lord proposes to attract capital
to Ireland by a maximum rate and • charge upon the unions.
If that maximum rate be all you have to propose,
there will be no mug probability of capital flowing into those
parts of Ireland where It is so much required than there
was at the time when a poor rate us. unknown.
(Bear, hear.) The right hon. gentlemen the member for
Tamworth spoke about emigration; and I think that be
was rather unjust, or at least azurite in his obsereatiote with
regard to mammy emigration. Thing' that are done vo-
luntarily are not always done well ; neither are things that
are done by the government, and 1 know many eases where
government undertakings have felled as eminently as any
that have been attempted by private enterprise. (lieu,
hear.) Bat it does not appear to me that there is much
wisdom in the project of emigration, althoegh F know that
some hon. gentlemen from Ireland place muck faith in it se
a remedy. I have endeavoured to ascertain what is the rola
tion of the population to the land in Ireland, and this is what
I find. In apathies of the Clifden union, the thapmtoni state
" In conclusion, we beg to offer oar matured opinion that
the resources of the soma would, lima& arena*, be amply
sullicient for the independent supportof itspopoittion."
Kr. Hamilton, who was emalned beim the committee of
• Which I am a seenther, said, speaking of the miens of
Donegal and Gleaties, " There is no overpopulation, if those
mimes, according to their capabilities. were cultivated as the
average of Baldish counties with the ease *Mond capital."
And Mr. Twisleton said, " I ea not speak of,,a redundant
:rfa reference to land; mig to capital . The land of Ire-
e tillerthrtatrsti: doub
casele its peemttrif.slittioxi:
that
shield be wise in raising rams money the .ftehis the
pm* to migrate. The cut owe
f a timay to
lantralla, or even to Cassel& we. • and the
minim was whether, with the MOM W it ;maid re-
. Ore to convey them to a MOM shore, they .might not ha
mere preatably_employed at home. (Hear, her.) I proha '
bly shall be told that I promos schemes which ere a great
isaufwass with the rights of property. layerpinioa is that
RAW eon he a row Withrow. sad genet of
rigittent peemeg than the laws which regains property
mow. I eh& that the landowners are medal aa impression
• they have been maintainiag great politica
grew. on baseiltary aristocracy, anel all those ether arrange-
mewls Mali mem think should navy be named without
gloat reverence and awe; that they have been accustomed
is bah at that, and to fancy that these thiags are worth
Ma pia they pay for them. I aaa of opialon that the ills.
egegen under which they labour throughont the
gulled Waggon are extreme; but is
Ireland these abed-
enne w hßowed by results not known in this court-
ier. est leseens of the property of the poor man, which
1111•1119 Si hie labour ? Those 4,00),000 persons who live in
Menials, sa described by the eightkon.
disk psspsuty iniabsor is almost totally destroyed. There they
gm ma—mem Gel madman& permitted to tome into this
world. endowed with faculties like ourselves, who are unable
to maintain themselves, end mast either lain* or live upon
Mime. The interference with their property has been *nor-
ineele--ao great as absolutely to destroy it. Now, I silt the
landowners of helm) whether, living in the state in which
for years they have lived is not infinitely worse than
that which I propose for them? (Cheers.) Threatening
kitten by the post at breakfast time—now and then the aim
of the assassin—poors' rates which are a grievous interference
with the rights of property, and this rate in aid which the
gentlemen of Ulster declare to be right in the teeth of all
the rights of property—what can be worse? (Hear,
hear.) I shall he told that lam injuring aristocratical add
territorial jetliner:a. What is it In Ireland worth to you
now ? What is Ireland worth to you at all ? (Cheers.) Is
she not the very symbol and taken of your disgrace end ha-
miliatiou to the whole world? Is she not an incessant
trouble to your legislature, and the source of increased
ex-
pesee to your people, already over-taxed ? Is not your legis-
lation alt at fault in what it has hitherto dote for that
country (Cheer..) The people of Ulster say that we
shall weaken the union. It 1141 toes one of the misfortunes
of tae legis:ation of this house that there hoe been no honest
attempt to make a union with the whole people of Ireland

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wpwastio4o4lunicatiettrimbhoil •
pweatipTs4,oifthlrUellisid.Star,
atlat
tbpsoiribus
must as ho saimfma, wenn den laninramat and the •
witist n stets off ffilleffie .0214t1 6. al,l for roootegrifil
pest peal in the south sad wen of Ireland. (C rip)
Yhe -smediffien 0( Ireland it • this moment m this—
tles -AA an iseadtel with- riffir, and ruin from which,
Is -thee present count, they cannot /amine whilst
the posir-me menaced with stamen= and' death. • There
in lies. endures in this house, and there an other,
hpied proprietors In Ireland, who are as admirable in the
sesfiumance.of all their social donnas say mew to be found
6101:11=tinofttle h"0,121.; bZilihtelve IWi
en tt"milseisgeseaxrealntl.".
gates their chanters to be contaminated by the promest
sendWw of Ireland, and ass underg-ing a pro-
ems which mum end in their own ruin ; beam=
this demoralisation and name:ll'l'6on will go an is as
sounding circle, and will engulf tho whole pawn,
of behind in one common ruin, unless something more be
less than paining poor laws and proposing rates in aid.
(Chem.) Sir, it ever then were an opportunity for a
etassemen, it is this. This is the hoer undoubtedly, and we
weed the man. (Renewed sheen) The noble lord at the
heel of the government has done many things for his
etustry, he which I thank him as heartily as an men—ha
has allown on suss occasions as much courage asst is none
-nary, it the state of public opinion, upon any vestios,,for
a statesman to show ; but I have been much dueppointed
that, spell this Irish queeion, he has seemed to shrink Iron
a full coostrieratioo of the difficulty and from a desire to
meet it fairly. The character of the present, the char.
ruler cif any government under such eircumstancee, would
be at stake. The noble lord cannot, in his position, remain
inactive. Let him be as inacceatas he may, he can
-justify hissed( to the country, or to the world, or to pos-
terity, if he remains at the head of, this imperial legislature
and-still is unable, or is evening, to bring forward measures
for the restoration of Ireland. (Cheer.) I would address
the same homage also to.the mobile lord at the bead of the
Irish government, who has won, I must say, the admiration
d the population of this country for the temper and mode in
which WI he. administered the government of Ireland
( Hear. bear.) But he must bear in miod that if is not the
highest effort of statesinaoship to preserve the peace in a
country whore there are very few men ,ontious to go to war,
end lifiellrimeeritilts Pesos, Ms. Wille6o.ooo armed men at his
. etionuod, and the whole pewee of, this empire to loath him.
(Chum) Ad that My be sememansipd_peatee at all hazards
mast be secured ; but if thatliseimjnelelled nobleman intends
to be known hereafter as a etaterthan a lit regard to his
rule in Ireland he mast be preparepl to suggest to the govern-
ment measures (sad to aid in fang them out) of a, more
practical and directly Operativ has
e actor thee any he h
yet initiated. Sir, lam ashamed, mast my, of the course
which we have takes upon this question. (Cheers.) Loh
at that great subserimissi 00 was raised three years ego for
',cited. There was searedy • part of the globe from which
subscriptions did not come. The Pope, as was very nutria!,
subscribed—the hied of the great Mahamtian empire, the
Grano Seignior, seat his thousand pounds—the uttermost
parts of the 'atilt sent in their donation. A tribe of Red
Indians on the American continent sent their subscription ;
and I have It on good authority that even the slaves en a
pimento* in one of the Carolinas subscribed their sor•
rowful mite that the miseries of Ireland might be pijkved.
(Cheere.) The whole world looked upon the otrilition of
Ireland, and helped to mitigate her miseries. What ego we
my to all those contributors, who, now that they have paid,
must be anxious to know if anything is doing to prevent a
recurreace of those calamities ? We must tell them with.
blushes that nothing has been done, hut that we are still
ping on with the pony rate, and that, having exhausted the
patient+. of the people of England in parliamentary grants,
we are caning now with rates in aid, restricted altogether
to the property of Ireland. That is what we ban to tell
them, whilst we have to acknowledge that our con.titution,
boastil of as it has been for generations past, n'terly fails to
grapple with this greet question. (Cheers.) Hon. gentle-
men turn with triumph to neighbouring countries, and
'reek in glowing terms of our glorious constitution.
True, that abroad thrones and dynasties have been
overturned, whilst in England peace has reigned users-
toehold. But take all the lives that have been let in the last
twelve months in Ramps amidst the convulsiscs that have
oseurred—take all the cessation of trade, the destruction of
isalsotry, ori the crushing of hopes and heart', and they
meet swam for an instant with the' agonies which have
hien 'shwa try the population of Ireland under your glorious
esnstitution. (Chan.) And there are thus who now say that
his Is the waning of Providence. I met an Irish gereletasn
the other night, and speaking upon the subject, he said that
be sow no remedy, but that it seemed ea if the preent suite
of things wars the mode by which Providence intended
to solve the question. But let us not lay those
calamities at the door of Providence ; it were sinful en us, of
all men, to do so. God has blessed Ireland, and does still I
.bless her—in position, in soil, in entente ; he has not with-
drawn his promises, nor are they unfulfilled ; there is still
the sunshine, and the shower; still the seed time and ;
the harvest ; and the affluent bosom of the earth yet offers
sustenance for man. But man must do his part—we must '
do our part—we must retrace oar steps—we must shun the I
blunders, and I would even say the crimes of our nest legie 1
lation. We must free the laid, and then we shall discover„'
and not till then, that industry, hopeful and remunerated— I
industry, free and inviolate, is the only sure foundation on I
which can be reared the enduring edifice of union and of
peen. (The hon. gentlemen resented his mat amidst general '
cheering from all parts of the hoses.) I
The Marquis o GRANBY • agreed with the hon. gentle-
man who had just at down that Ireland mast look to the
opposition side of the home Weil hoped for' remedial mea-
sures. The present government had proposed no bold and I
comprehensive measures for Leland. He opposed the men- i
sure, distinguishing between a poor.rate aslevied in England 1
and one levied in Ireland, and showing the unequal opera- 1
tion of a rate-in-aid without a law of settlement, and under a
valuation lea variable. He disputed the theory of Lord .1. I
Russell respecting the area of taxation; he urged the in- 4
sufficiency of this rate for its object ; and he attributed to
unwise legislation, and especially to the rejection of Lord G. 4
Bentinck's railway measure, the present extreme destitution 1
of Ireland. He contended that the only means of substituting I
a cereal crop for the potato was by converting the cottiers I
into labourers for wages, and this could only be done by 1
making it worth the landowner's while to employ them, by I
passing such laws as would s-cure to him a remunerating '
price in return for capital, skill, and labour. t
Mr. C. PORTESCUE opposed the rate-in-aid became he I
preferred an income-tax. This was a great national emer- 1
geney, and every kind of property should contribute, not I
upon a poor law principle, but as if it were a war, instead I
of the tax being confined to one species of property which I
had suffered the moat. 1
Mr. DISRAELI.—Sir, the hon. gentleman the member 1
for Manchester, in a speech, to which, although I agree as I
little with the opinions exprees-d in it as any member of this
house, I listened with the greatest pleasure and'gratification,
as I mint always do to every demonstration of intellect which
tends to sustain the character of this assembly—(loud cheese) '
—has described the session of parliament for this year as an
adjourned debate on the subject of the affairs of Ireland.
(Hear, hear.) It is my wish that before the house adjourns
to-night we shall succeed in terminatiag that debate, and in
bringing our deliberations to some practical conclusien. '
(Hear, hear.) During the various discussions to whisk the
hon. gentleman referred, and in which I, and those friends
with whom it is my pleasure to co-operate, have been obliged
frequently to interfere, we have, on every occasion
on whith we offered any criticism on the proposi-
tion of the government, always told them that,
ready as we were to agree to any arrangement
that it was necessary from corenmennue to propose, still we
demanded, as a principal and indeed primary coodition, that
government should come forward dmultaaeously, as they
asks." for dine temporary grants, with eons plan which
should give an assurance to the house and the country that
mere temporary proposals wen not to be continued for ever.
(Cheer.) Well, sir, how was this demand upon our side re-
ceived by government. and by individual members very
justly influential in thiskonee ? The government persisted
iir_a=riatime in the muss with which they had originated
.. . They 'misted is assuming that it was not
Mil nuessory, bat wise sad politic, that they should
a I mm down to Use How of Cloromoss and
d make prepositions
hr paste of oulito mosey which, even on their own show-
ing, could only meet the exigescies of the occasion for a
very brief Peru& Meth. hen n) When there fell from the
ilps eta right bon. gentlemen eminent is this country and
=tilasslialin this kotheilke observation that sue po-
thook' be aceonapethed by " comprehensive men-
saw; " each was the with which it was met that
eses the right hos. himself (the member for
Ripe') seemed on Ware
of that (Cheers entwooll front the too he
asedess use .) When I,
taiga lespiraties kegs the ri sea great master, said that I
saiditst
emelt net asseent to a except secompanied ley earn-
pesiesseive meassres for ONO eases of dee:urbane, gad
miegenvemest which vete allotted to by all sad re-
eagnised by many, the 'lett hos. baronet the member for
Taarireeth rose ti his placo*And threw ottt a enter against
eon peithemdto meneonse. He brought to the discussion all
the beemese of his mot ability and great experience, and
waved the how that It woo may to talk of comprehensive
mmissirea, ben that he knew how little was to be expected
from seek miasmal mingestiess. (Hear, and Aeon.) The
iturowiest wen not only Inn, they were obstinate. They
WWII peopered to WI heir propositions, and to renew
dm, if seamary, every frainight. (Hear, and a laugh.)
Aug what hos bees the result of all this expression of
=by these powerful sesociations, and these in-
members ? The government has come for-
ward with a proposition which affects to be coneve and the fate of which we are called
woo to holds tonight, when, as if to dwarf
trash proposal, to show how mean the conception, and how
isateetsal the melts, the ready critic the member for
Tentwordi has sapmd their climax with suggestions of his
Own so vast and multifarious as to introduce mew elements
of debate of the most Important character, and which, at
least, have justified the lit hon. member for. Ripon in
u(d
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using the epithet to which have referred, and me and my
thefrienfr utdilhlifewogrhfiiotcsrhaduissobeptotionfogoaaire.
this proposition for what is ailed • national rate in aid the
d
called the
edprothlutaLlogesistreisoneythat naree:bilituhinimef
aleavisteingin
alim.dthaeb by tt
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should
ostculm2o;ooohroiti.gihnouatdauditloren:
, hon. member dissented) Well, it
hot, wiVet, I understand, it is calculated would amount to
tititioni". It. (Anawo-year.
appear then, that this proposition is mani-
may be an erroneous estimate, but it has tome approxima-
enffeerect,arth,etphread,
iosistreiionedn munanitonn:
festly inadequate. (Hear, hear.) If it is to produce any
unions. dmoorenot than
ar
toit tehzopser"ore,
which is impending a doom that is terrible, I take only those
unions on which was expended in one year at least 240,0001.