The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-13 00:00:00

TOOTING PAUPER ASYLUM
CASE.

TRIAL OF MR. DROUET FOR
MANSLAUGHTER.
Before Mr. Baron Platt and Mr. Awake William.

Peer Bartholomew Droner, who had surrendered to take
his trier, wu eh •rged, on the aoroneem trquisition, with it.
m nelaughear elf J wee Andrews, Mary Kullick, and others,
pauper children, bil'onglnir to the hinlhoni Uown, who hat
been placed by the pariah in Mc Drouit's erahliebnient at
ravine, and who bat died of cholera, arts being removed
from thence.

o.riap to the /treat public interest excited by this ease, the
erne% was crowded at an early hoar.
Th. prome•ttion was cendutt• d by Mr. M. Chambers and
Mr. Clarkson ; the defence by Sir F. Thesis/Ir, Mr. Balla'.
quit, Mr. C. Smith, and Mr. Crouch.
The iodietmenui were of great ledsgh. There were separate
indictment. in a...pet of each death, to each of which the
pris mar plead-d net (why. He then stated that his name
was not Peter Bartnotomew, but Bartholomew Peter
Drones, Sir F. Thesieer said that was immaterial.

The jury being sworn,
Mr. Montague Chambers said—May it please your lord.
ships,—tientlemmi of use jury—The importance of the inquiry
on which you are slang to erttte must be manifest from the
nature of the indictments which you have just heard real.
I have the biretta, to appear before you, on the part of a
public body, fur the parrot, of prosecuting that inquiry,—
not unjustly and unfairly to press anything against the
prisoner at the bar, as charged in the indictment, but firmly
and distiaedy to stand up for the administration of the
criminal law, and, HA. be guilty of the crime imputed to
him, to press errand him the administration of that law.
I have stated that I am hers to represent a public body, ail
not a mere formal prosecutor. The pieties on whose bshall
I am instructed are the guardians and directors of the peer
of the parishes of St. Andrew, Holborn, and Bt. George the
Martyr, who have denoted it their duty to institute this
inquiry, and to wry it on with armless sad with a proper
attention to the interests of the poor whom they represent.
I *IR 611111611 to state closely by whom this prosecution is
conducted, because I wish to distinguish the pert they are
taking from that taken by another party,—the gestates
of the Holborn Haien, who, it will appear I. the comes of
this investigation, ;ere in some inensare maul up
with thus traustion. I repeat, theedste, OS I
appear as representing the gaudiest mad dishes
of the poor of the parishes of St. Andrew, WARM. told Si
=the Martyr. This inquiry, as you esep TAW boss
mime oat of some very painful eirelltheethet WWI
issueesi at • math period, ?with regard to thamoune deaths
lef With 'Midas. The peawaer ie charged in the present
slmat with tbe memer of James Andrews, who is
thomdbeil in the thdistasth es having bees a &ulnae child,
aged stn yeas ;•awl in enthuses kebobs:2*d with the ask&
sal dhow of donee properly to feed, and loam end
clothe that chili, asswedieg to his du7. And now I I
shall beet ditcher's my duty by stating simply the facto el
the ors, so it respects the situation whoosh the prisoner bell
in relation to the child, and the circumstances attending the
child's death. Mr. Drouet, the prisoner, hes been for 11111a7
ars engaged in the busing/1i of farming paupers,
sad /
believe that, for Revs years pest, he Us been es.
espying an *pylon at Tooting, which is celled
Alarm Hall, and which has bees devoted to the
suistion of pauper &lidera in great numbers, hem
sway of the metropolitaa mums sad parishes. In So
pear 1847 the guardians of the Holborn Unita entered into
on egresses with Mr. Duna for sanding some children
of that union to be takes few of by his in that math
These guardians represent fear parishes those of et.
Holborn, and St. George the Martyr, sad ten
Shan. Children from all the parishes were seat then
lands that arrangement; enausgst them were many citation
lbelonglitsta,la united parligs of Sr. Andrew, Ha" m
and St. the Martyr; sod, in the month of Osinbee,
1848, this Jesse Aedrews, was seat to that selalihth
inst. loader that yea may be made aeguainted with al
the menof the ease, it bibs: right that I should inform pen
that it was the coarielprocoodleg for the guardians of the
Holborn mica from time to time to send deputations, cow
posed of sossemembers of their body, to visit that stabile.
meat ; and, I. the OMNI of 1848, afore the anangsseat husi
been made tor the ?empties of the pauper shildren by Mr.
Drone believe that several visits were made to the
eet. Bat there is one such visit to which, la e
narrative of the fasts of this case, it is essential that I should
w particular wands.
draw &it T. you Meager objected to counsel making any state.
seats whisk wee pot consulted with the mes before them.
After a few words from Mr. Chambers iirreply,
The Court decided that evident* might be given whist'
went to prove the gtheral maosgenten
Mr t of the estahlith•
sent.
Cheabon proceeded. He thought ft wet very thaw
say to grove that there was criminal neglect I. the tree..'
must of the children and in the general mesdames of the
setablielusent A visit was made is the month of Meg,
1848, by Mr. Winch and Mr. Mayo. Mr. Winch wee Ns
active puma, who was desirouschtakhziegairies sews*
Whore.trestaient of pauper Mr. Maps we I
It streak Mr. May. ca ping Om* the
ellahliansist that the banding was ail WWI ler the
heatft tiosithent atshildres, aad stherdingly resainsinnes
and oDjsegeme were fate to Mr. Drew*. His nog 1111%
" net iteswinvied wasMgant thee Mho atkalsi
body he y." *ma Mr. Irk& le
make loguielis=the children as to whisker=
sathisi with the treatment they .Mend. Ha
ilia those boys who wars not salithed with their hal or
Otherwise to hold up their sdl gnat amber of the
hags did so. Mr. Droust weld that they minuet
Inth.tallers, and used other whisk It weilit meth
eery for him to repeat, but whisk thus gentlemen wheat he
haul mentioned would pros. Aber this. a Meted
viii was made by dapetetke. te the
Be admitted that these prom midl4lllllreld.fle Ith
tidied with what apparel heath then, kir bie
would not be discharging kis duty pie oily ithe wore WM
tell thee that they.areet net mum that everything ma
right because it men on the feriae appear so to mere
formal vis'tors. He would prove that the boys who indi-
cated their distatisfac!ion were brought to account for so

doW,, sad some a them were actually punished. TAY was
ie gay, , 1848. He would now come newer te the period
what this asiesdes mate upon the eistabliahvant. On the
tglith of October Jame Andrews was sent to the establish•
meet. He was is spray good state of health when he was '
eat then, and was emengh to behold. He would allow
chat, as far at bis apporamee iedicated, he wee net then
likely_ to die within a *bon period. Ia the month
a Novi mber, Mr. William J. Sit*, a engin,
was emptied by Mr. Drone. He saw the sick ward, and
he would tell than the euediti es in which it was. There
was no seperate plane for prang who were sleeted with
contagious disorders. Many of the ghillies then were
affected with the itch, and of van it was lively that these
who were free 'ram it previously would he eon is
ermsrquence of not having a separate place fee them. 11r.
Kite w. uld pr vet that the descriptim of bed, the Mate a
veotilatinn, notilation, and the same aporoposted fur the sleepin-rociene
of the ehilfren were never made matter of consultatioe; but,
with regard to their being sufficient, he wou'd gin the jury
his of inion. Mr. Kite weal t inform them that Air he
came there then were the seeds of disorder, and what wen
generally recognised as the preconitary eymptras of cholera.
Bat atter this period Mr. Dr net took 200 more children
from St. Pinatas Uaios, thous& before their reception it
would be proved that the establishment was eve-crowded
On tit' 29th of December the cholera unhappily set in. It
was in grata a fatal disease, but it wee hen tearfully salt
minus, fur between the 29th of December and the 13th of
January no fewer than 150 &Urea died of it. Oa the 31st
of December. a passe celled David Kelly, a pauper, who
esti two pr. whettildeen in the establishment, armed then.
The paseger wee alerted wilt aerate He. rased Wm
said in nee a mate that le inform) the geardimins .
of the ROOM* Usk& that cholera was togintes?
Mr. Dem* tralgishmant. Ia leheerineeee of am -
' Wien irquiries were made, and es Friday,
. the stha en
crary, the government, that is to say, the Board of Health,
seat Mr. Oraugn, an eminent sargems. to visit the establish.
meat. He saw the way in which the albino were tented
be made legends* with regard to the fond and their general
treatment, and he came to the conclusion that, in consequence
of the treatment which they received, their general health
was greatly enfeebled, and that, consequently, cholera was
more likely to Ind its way into the establishment. He
would not anticipate what Mr. Granger would
me haws them, but he could not omit to in-
them of what he saw when he sisited the
sleeping apartments of the children. Ho found the beds so
dose to emelt other that a mistake was actually made in say.
lag that five children slept in one bed. The feet wee that
two chianti slept in one bed, and three in another, but, so
thee were the beds. that it was supposed the five slept in one
bed. He found the beds penally occupied by two or three
ebdiren, with no means of keeping them in a state of clean-
lines.. Ho found there was but one nurse for 60 or 60
children, and that this aura was ill. He accordingly spoke
to Mr. Drone on the subject, and told him that there should
be more medical mss. He told him that be should
memo three, at the least, for this responsible duty ;
that he should provide more nurse* for the purpose of
keepine the children clean an comfortable in such a din-
serene condition of things. He went there two or three
da!s afterwards with the hope of finding his recommenda-
tions earn. d cut; but he found no edditional nurses. no
additional medical men ; he found some of the elder boys
employed as nurses, to taae care of those who were recover-
ing from cholera. As they might suppose, Mr. Geeing.?
expr. seed himself rather strongly on this state of things.
The children were dying in loch numbers th it the guar-
tians of the Holborn Union resolved on removing the
&dares b ib aging to it. They were accordingly removed from
the Suer Hall establishment on the rat of January.
J Mee Andrews, nue of those children who we. affected won
cholera, was removed in a van in a very weak vete. He was
placed in an racediant institution, the Royal Free Hospital,
Gray's-lac-lane. He was extremely ill when plead there,
end on the morning of the 6th of January he died. The
nurse who wee in the Holton Union would state the condi
lion in which these children wen. Built wee desirable that
be should state her very words, in order to show the g-oeral
treatment and neglect of them children, bemuse they were
tapeworm with regard to Mr. Decoct'', knowledge, and the
gram he ought to ban pursued in order to keep nem free
hrat rakes.' sad disorder. lit • says—•' The children, whet
they rammed, wen in a very bad state generally : their feet
were la a bad Mate ; there were bed sorts on their toes and
hands; met of them had eruption ; their woes& were not
dressed ; they had sure hands ; the children dui net resemble
W anteing, In the workhouse." Every attention was paid
to tae children who Were taken away, and in ameequerae of
their sub-equent treatment many of them were restored, but
numbers of them died. Inquiries were node of the children
respecting the way in which the establishment was eon•
dewed and the treatment they received in it,
which led to an inquiry before a coroner's jury,
The inquiries related to tee way in which the children were
hd, lodged, and clothed. It would seem that an agreement
or an avengement had been made with Drouet, on taking
them children under his care and guardianship, to the effect
that 0•• would tee iv. es. 61. per we k fur their maintenance,
sad in that engsgement was included such clothing as would
keep them in a warm state. Now, with regard to their
food, this would aprear to have been the case—to use the
remarkable expression of one of the childrea them-
selves—" T oat their bellies were as hungry when
they left their mode as when they wont to them."
Mr. Winch would tell them that he saw the
loaf eat up into 16 einem, when it should not have been cut
up into more than 13, or even 10, if the proper weight were
given. With regard ti quantity, they would hear from the
children themselves what a email quantity they had. They
would hear that there was only one day in the week that
their bellies were filled, and that was when they got soup.
He believed there wee no complaint with retard to the qua.
lily of the food except as to the potatoes, reopening which
many serious complaints were made. The potatoes were so
extremely bed, that it was impossible to cut them. It would
=l'that, ill 401111111411elle• of their wag ashag and
they Welt pile 1 up in a basset and giro.,
away. Sines the deaths occurred, it was thought desirable
to have the bodies of the children cumin d by eminent me-
dical men. They were so examined, and the opinion of the
medico men from that examination wee, that there was
every indication of a want of sufficient f .od. The stemma:is
of *the children wen found to be swelled, their limbs were
mall, the eouatesumees of some wen pile, whilst those of
Illehele were roay. Bat the medical men would tell them
ills was not the rosiness of health, but that flush
whisk sometimes appeared with disease larking beneath it.
He bad already told them the general nature of the evidence
respecting the mode in which they were lodged and the scat
of the sleeping apartments. Almost every medical man who
bed ben examined, whether his evidenee was otherwise
favourable or unfavourable to Mr. Drone Iran his opinion
that the establishment eras overerooded. It would be also
rend by them that it woe ill-ventilated, that then were not
enengh of wiadows, and that the mode of veatilatim was
bed. Independently of the children sleeping two and three
be a bed, the means adopted for removing the na-
tural evacuations wen defective, which muse gin rift,
, in so crowded an establishment, to noxious exhalations
' Two tabs were used for this purpose, which were emptied in
the morning, but they were immediately filled with warm
water, which was need be the boy, in webbing the fi me
He would leave then to judge of the effects of such a system
am the health of the children. Another matter which be
MIMI Ann to, though it was not perhaps of a very neat
ineertanes, Was the Onetime tithe building itself. It would
impair that some foul ditches ran by it, and that one of them
had been rained out some time before the cholera hooks out,
the mann them whit& was left on the edges. It would
ohs wage filet the day apartments were not sufficiently
Lige, is oensignenes of which the boys were obliged
le remain is what was allied the play-ground,
Ass they were out of school, in the dusk of the evening.
The result of this was, that many of them wen alarm
perished with sold. This brought him to the mode in whisk
they were clothed. When the cabins wen seat to this es-
tabliatmeat they bed tolerably good and warm clothing ;
bat when they got is there, Mr. Dronet took away their
clothing, and gave them instead some poor, panted clothes,
white were not salleint to keep away the cold. On Sun-
days they had corduroy dresses, which the children said
were mash warner this those they won on week Saes.
They would state themselves west they suffered from
the want of sufficient clothes. Bach were the prin
anal hinds of eraplaint laid in this indictment.
But the question which would be submitted to their consi-
deration was as to the hers,--one of the deepest poaible im-
portance that could be agitated in public, one that demanded
the donut and most seratinions investigation, and required
tke greatest peedble oar* and caution es reseeded the law
weigh is to it. If it was proved that Mr. Drouet
bad se f Ytl~hie duty in not providing proper food,
ea Meshing, for the children be ask ender his
rase_ Ibt *Ord not strength of body to resist this disease
elan it Tidied them ; if they found that He Drain
afillittallY nejleened his daty in this resent, he
me. guilty elle gimes charged in the indietment. The
May native en ginner indictments of thh kind was this,
whether the party as offending was or was not galty of mur-
der ? In the awe of a person who had 'moth* in custody
lira which he mai not escape, and criminally neglected the
elate him, the only question in former times was whether
Mame might not be Implied In such criminal neelect. Bo
mho with regard to the treatment of apprentices. the OW**
Wm was whether nation malice Gould be inferred from
OM eradnet of the master es would jmeWy a charge
d mmoke. The emotion here was Amber Yr.
Demist lied sat, by his treatment of the. ebtl-
dem la impel to bed, lodging, and clothing, reduced
aim se saw ems* weakens that they wen not in the
Urns' nelleion to wan the attack of divine se they would
lam Um IT they bed been properly attended to in these
,mount. He opprebeaded that that would be the question
all& illet kir, Irnelliel have to ask themselves when they
&iii the evidalleeelf Mr. Changer and the ether median men.
. ..Dreng had teen melees in the dliebarge of his
end if his euelesenses had led to fatal coesonenew,
Is • hi that ease sot b* that implied rattail
Wadi *rata ardent, still be mud be found
et I It was perfectly true that the
. raffia ion* wane of the put year ; but
lay awe Ina Itraisadylis parish of Tooting no person
lzt.Wemi wide the inept in Mr. Divan's establish
' It mighil be said that its solitary visit to that spat
rem attrtbntabie to the state of the ionosphere ; but at all
meta the etrennounee was singular. He had now easel
to &elan, as deal as he could, the eirawastmetes of this
case, The imputation upon Mr. Drama was a most

Watcess—Yes, my lord.
Mr. Darns Platt—Did the house of Mr. Droust appear,
from your inspection, sufficient to contain 1,205.
Witness —Q te so.
Examined by Mr. Clarkson—The board continued to wand
children to the setabliatmeat up to the m with of Decsember
last year.
, Mr. Clarkson—Now, amongst the children sent up to De-
cember last year, was the decemod boy, James Andrews,
eao ?

Witares—lrea.
Mr. Carksia—lie was sent is October ?

_ .
Witness—H. area 'eat on the 28th of October.
Mr. Clarkson—What wss the largest number of aildren
sent from your union to Mr. Drouet's up to December last ?
Mr. Baron Platt (to Mr. Clarkson)—l suppose you mean
from time to time ?

Mr. Clarkson—Y's, my lord.
Witness—l should
i say that its the month of October, 1847,
we *till found our housen Holborn mush too crowded, and
ia the early part of December it wes di t, rmiutd thet girls
should he *ent to Mr. Deceit's establishment.

Mr. Clarkson—Wu theralin; farther
the girls l

1t as to

NCtitMt—lt was the same arrangement. I wrote to Mr.
Broom to inform him that we found it necessary to send
our girls; and Ls afterwards reteintd them
By Mr. Boron Platt—Did nut the guardims inquire what
the dies we.

Witness—Yes, my lord. On the 26 bof October, it wee
dets mined mat the guardians should ge down to inspect the
pltee and make inquires. The coalman of the board, six
suardianr, and myself went to the establishment, and by the
direction of that committee, or deputation, this report to the
board wee drawn no :
_ _ _

The committee antes to report to the board that they
have this day visited Mr. Drouet's establishmentat Tooting,
and inspected every part thereof. They wen present at the
children's dinner, witnessed the mode of instruction adopted
in the defendant's schools, and also the industrial
training of the children, and they desire to report
their entire satisfaction at the whole of ,the ar-

rangements. There are at this time about 860 children
farmed at the establishment, and rot one to ill as to require
medical aid. The soil is gravelly, and the situation appears
to be dry and healthy, and those m, gibers of the com-
mittee who are acquainted with the Norwood establish
mint," when some of the child= had formerly been, my
lord,—" consider that the one at Tooting is by no mune
so bleak or so exposed to cutting winds as that is."
That was the report pr seated by the committee to the
board of guardians, and upon which they determined to seed
the children.

Kr. Baron Platt (to the witness)—That does not apply to
my question es to the dietary.
Witness—Tha nest report was the
_printed dietary of the
establishment. It was given to me by Xr. Dreaet at the time
when the guardians were there.
Mr Clawson—lt would be as well to have that read, my
lord.

A dietary table was then put in and reed, from which,
amongst other particulars, it appeared that there were three
meat dinners in each week, the quantity of meat being
5 ounces, 4 ounces, and 3 ounces each, with three-quarters of
a pound of potatoes; also that there was pudding once sett
pea.soup three times a week. It was stated that so fired
diet could be adopted, and that in sickness the diet was legit-
toted by the doctor.
By. Mr. Baron Platt—For 4s. ad. a week they were to have
lodging, food, sad raiment ?
Witness.—Everything.
Examination by Mr. Clarkson continsed-81 girls were
seat first. There was a regular debtor and creditor account
extending throughout the whole of the year. At the tad of
the year the balance was gene r ally about the same. The
deceased boy was sent oa the 28th Deomber, 1847, and re•
rosined until the sth January, 1849' he was then brought
from that establishment to the Royal Free Soigne/.
Oray'leion-lane. It was the habit of the board of guardians
to vilit the establishment monthly, that they might have
the opportunity of seeing the mode I. which the children
were treated. It was part of the arrangement that after a
visit had been paid, a report should be made to the board an
to the resale. No previous notice was given to Mr.
Drout of these periodical visits of the committee from
the Holbora board of guardians to his establishment. The
witness then proceeded to read the reports made to the
Holborn Board of Guardians by the various committees who
had visited the prisoner's premises at Tooting, commencing
in January 1848. One of these report' was in the form of a
letter, addressed to the chairman of the board of guardians
of the Holborn Union, commencing—" Dear Sir,—We, the
undersigned, viesstuirman and guardians of the Holborn
Union, will feel obliged if you will inform the board that we
visited Mr. Drouet's ostablistimest at Tooting."
Mr. Marmot here objected to the letter being read, as it
did not purport %obi a formal report.
Mr. Baron Platt—l suppose it is • report in the form of •
litter.
Mr. James—Esoctly so. The contents of this letter are
entered in the form of a minute on the books of the Holborn
board of guardians, signed by the chairman, as being a re-
port from the writer of it and Messrs. Southgate and Hart,
the two other members in the visiting deputation. The letter
was then read, and stated in glinted terms that the children
in Mr. Drosses establishment were healthy, their food
plentiful and wholesome, their bedding clean and comfort-
able, and the premises generally healthy and airy. The
riers did not sign the minute-book of the board of
guardians. They signed the reports on which the minutes
were baud.
Mr. Baron Platt—How did it happen that thus perdu-
ler gestic:sec were the visitors on this amnion ?
Mr. James—Because their names stood first on the rota of
attendance.
Clarkson—Was it the custom of the visiting commit-
tee from the Holborn board of guardians to enter their
reports or to make any oheervations in the visitors' book
kept at Mr. Drouet's establishment ?
Mr. Junes—They might or they might not.
Mr. Csiekson—Will yen look at the visitors' book.
Mr. Jame took the visitors' book which was kept at Mr.
Dronet's establishment, and read • series of observations
which were causal therein, commencing in March, 1818.
The first was 'ivied by some of the members of the
board of guardians for the Holborn Union—and it sta'ed
that, alter a minute examination of the children and of the
premises, the vidsors had the utisfaction to record that great
cleanliness prevailed throughout the establishment, that the
health of the childroi shored their comf ot to have been
t greatly ssiidi-d, such to the credit of Mrakonst. On the
I 24th of March a smiler entry was made, signed by three
I ruerdiaos. On the 31st of Muth another entry, to she MU,
eff-rt, was real, signet by eight guardians ; on the 30th of
t May six enarfiians recorded their satisfaction with the state

Mr. James—Certainly not, to my knowledge at lust. I
believe Mr. Droner knew nothing of it previously.
Mr. Clarkson—When was this said visit made ?
Mr. iame—On the 30th of May, 1848. The previous re-
port having stated that the object of the previous visit not
having been completed, the deputation, consieting of seven
guardians, invited the three gentlemen, Mouses.
Winch, Maya, and Bedding to accompany them
to Mr. Decoct's, which they did. The report snit in
to the chairman of the Holborn guardians, dated the 80th of
May, slated that—" We, the undersigned guardians of the
Unborn Union, have this day visited Mr. Droust's oda•
blishment, at Tooting, for the purpose of examining into this
treatment of the children belonging to the Holborn
Union. We went accompanied by the gentlemen form-
ing the committee who sent in the last report, and
we feel great satisfaction in reporting most fa-
rousably respectiog Mr. Drouet's establishment. We
inane tied the bread, meat, and potatoes, and we were
Evrfectly 'added with their quality. We visited the lodg-
of the children, and cannot but express our sesisfactit a
oommeadatlon of their cleanliness. The scholastic at.
r madmen-1i are likewise excellent, and on the whole we
have to record that we wire well pleased with our visit.
We have to report speeally, with reference to the circum-
stoners which occurred at the last visit of tee com-
mittee from the Holborn beard of guardians, that
Mr. Drone, expressed hie regret for 'the
tioa of warmth which then occurred on his pan, an
Ins yint.nd guardians expressed their natisOction with
this acknowledgment on the part of Mr. Drinet." This re-
port was signed by the vim-chairman of th- board and the
three ratlersen who had made the previous report.
Mr. Clarkson—Now, let me ask, did you on the 9th of
May retries any communication from • man of the Lams of
Robert Aldry respecting the children ?
Mr. James—On the Ist of January last, whiAt was New
Year's Day, Hobert Aldry made a eommunication 'o me, in
consequeoca of which f, en the 2nd of January, sent to
Tooting to inquire into the circumstances stated by him.
Where any directions gives Po Mr. Whitfield, the medical
facer. to proceed to the establishment. Yes On the 4th
Mr. Whitfield attended a special meeting of the board.—
Then I presume that it was in consequi net of the report
made to the guardians by Mr Whitfiolil that you t,olt
Proper pernme to remove the children ? It wga so.—
I want to know whether at the meeting you saw Mr.
Denuct, and whether you learnt from Mr. Drhuet, at the
time, ho • many children were:ill, of what and how losg ?
I saw Mr. Dentist, and, seeing that he had • dozen
medical men and guardians around him, (a great number
of the union having children there), I had nu opportunity
of having a conversation with him.
Mr. Baron Platt—ln feet a report had been made the day
before, that the children generally were ins had state. Mr.
Whitfisld had examined them on the day belore ?-lle had
examen, d them.

Mr. Clarkson—How many children did you fled affected
with chal-ra. Of the Holborn Union. fiketn or eireen, per-
haps twenty. 1 canuot tell how many in the whole establish-
ment.

How many children were drafted from Mr. Drouet's to
the Free H apical 1-166.
Had any of them died before they got there I—Yes.
How many I—Four or five.
Of the number drafted from your union, was the boy Jamie
Andrews one I—He was.
Were those that were left such only a. were too ill to be
ream., d, as reported by the medical (Meer —They con-
sisted of twents.fite or thirty.
Mr. Baron Platt—You have tld uo that whnn you went
down fifteen or sixteen of your children wee, attacked, bow
many had the parish on the enahlisliment at Use time?—Girls
and boys trgether 191, wee the last return.
Are y u able to tell us when the boy James Andrews
died I—Oa the 6th of January. _

Was there a report from Mr. Droaet to the guardians on
the 50th of Dec. 1848 )—A report nu sent up dated the
30. b of Dec., but it did not reach me till Tuesday, the tad
of January.
Does that report contain any r.pretentstion of any Meese
of any of the children of your establishment? It is dated
30th Demenber, 1848. Ibe to report th.t John Cooper,
Matthew Lawrence, Andrew Hodges, James Doyle, are very
ill from severs bowel complaints. Those reported teat week
continue is the infirmary improving." Tha report of the
previous week is,—" Andw. Kennedy, and M.A. Brown cos-
dour' under medical care, as before reported " The previ-
ous one to that is " 16th December, 1848.—Sir, I beg to call
your attention to the children's Christmas presents. All my
pre/idles have allowed me 6d., which charge is so very small
I trust it will be given. Gamble is better." " James An-
drews end M. A. Brown, mere bowel complaints; and others
are doing well."
Mr. Baron Platt—Wu any book kept at the establish-
ment?—There was a medical officer there, but there Is not •
medical book.

Cross examined by Sty F. Thisiger—Were the guardians
in the rabic of visiting the infirmary ?—They visited every
part of •kr establishment; everything was thrown open to
them. Of course the punkahsr reports refer only to my
parish. There were children from thirteen perishes.
Had you seen Mr. Drouet's eataUlishment prior to the
contract —I had no,. I knew Mr. Droust by sight, but I
knew nothing of his establishment before that time. I did
not even know where it um.

Was the dietary submitted to your medical officer before
agreement was entered into with Mr. Drone' ?-1 rather
think it was; but ma not speaking with confirenee.
fare you had a good deal of experience as to workhouses
end the mod of treatment ?—I never had anything to do bat
wish this union workhouse.
. _ . .

I. the dietary superio r or inferior to the dietary is your
workhouse T—ln some respects I think it is superior; in
others I think it is inferior.
Has yiur dietary been altered a little ?—A ttr the cholera
broke out certainly there was an alteration in it: more solid
food wee given. lam comparing the dietary of December
with the former dietary.
From your judgment, do you consider this dietary as a
proper quantity of food for the children sent to the establish-
ment ?—I think so; and I have shown it to the medical
Aims, and they have also said so. Their. are are some
Mills not quite defined as to quantity, which is open to
observation. - - _

How often did you yourself go down to wit Mr. Drouft's
establishment ?—I think, from October, 1847, to January.
1849, 1 went down about five times.
Do you know whether other parishes were in the habit of
visi'in • ?—Certainly they were, because when I was there I
have seen the guardises of other places.
I understand you to say that altheark the visite weft
monthly, there wee no particular day fixed beforehand at
which
gentlemenithyumighwthbeonedrupretty :taw:
tobegothedore4—Cesetui rtae, nitlyamoninet
the ;
themeless.
Upon these visits, were very minute isquirke made in
respect of the establishment, sad investigation an to the oo
dition of the children t—The gentlemen who went prebend
to do an that, sad I believe they did. When I went I know
I attempted it to the extern of my power.
A. d when the guardians went there bad they an opportu-
nity of inquiring as to whether they were at their nations
Must certainly.
Did you at any time, in any visit, ever see anything you
Iconsidnec improper in Mr. Dreset's entablistment
I must answer. In January, 18111,
Urn. pet the
rteosidriloaildee, and as a builder kinked at th•
ventilation, in going along the playground at Mr. Demises
observed a vanggse of new buildings built close to the ground,
It had not t ventaatioa. He said, 't Yon ought to
have air gratings in the shifting of the building.... Ma.
Droste Paid he had ordered them, and he bell .ved they wen
then. On searching, it wan foaled that the sweepings of
the path had filed up the air gratings. Mr. Drouet said
he should not have expected it, and he got eem cleared mite
You know nothing or the boy Andr we t—Not at all.
After the cholera haA broken out, when the children were
brought away froth the enabishment, were those the
children untouched by the eholera ?—it wee so couridend.
Why were they taken to the Free Hospital 7—Because we
bd not room for them in the workhouse.
Re-ex mined by Mr: Claik-on-Buppose the dietary ad-
b• red to--de you think it a good dietary tAn far se I ant •
judge, it it is so.

Ton have a aced that in some nemesis year dietary is
superior—in what respect; is am your dietary asp rior in
the quintity of be, id whew that quantity hatted ?—There
• larger alyssum ahead, whether it is better is that respect
Imam. WU.
Hi whom were the reports dram op t—When I *Shaded,
HIM to my let draw op the meets.
Mr. Winchto , sallied sad ezmained by Mr. Clarkson—
lamwe of the goardisas of the Hatboro Calm. Oa
the 9th 1 west down with Redg and Mays to Mr.
Hemet's establishment at Tooting. When I got there I
Mad the children at dinner ; they were all standing.
There wit* no loess or seems of sitting down to their
WM. I Imbed at the potatoes. lent op a great many,
atter 900, and did not flud one good sae Obey were watery,
Nash, d eased potatow. 1 spoke to Mr. Hemet abort
them. He mid me be paid 71. per ton fee them
I said, very _ mai* yo night. potatoes are very
deer. I think pew eemht shams Media. He
replied, " U we paid hies better he could do it."
I mho to him balm we must over the establiabmest.
Amore other rooms we went ewer the whole of the damn.
twee, sod the whole of then struck me as !Meg badly con-
structed. but moss pertisularly the lower ones, which were
miry unhealthy. Mr. Hemet's attention was called to it by
sod Mr. Redding.
Did you go through the sleeping rooms then in me ?—I
did, them was no• hing partimlar there. I asked to see the
bole in the school. WWII. Mr. Hemet was then. The boys
wen smite reel sod asked if they hod any essplant so to
hod, dotting sa awe se were diemthasel to hold up their
heads. About forty held op thew Lands. Their condition
les been very meek altered sense their removal to town.
The stworaey-Osserel isigestod to the line of calming-
dm. Emote which taken plow in May could not apply to
the case of • 'x woo only 'sterol is October.
Mr. Justice Flat said that it would ham hem only fair of
the pardius to have mossared Mr. Drone, and to have
warned hiss that if he did sot take better care of the children
they would be removed.
Mr. U C sabers—l know nothing of the guardians.
Their omiesios is so encore for Mr. Drourt lam hers on
behalf of the midis.
Mr. Ju.ties notte—Yen buss es the pest et the beadle,
who is made the peassusur *9 are.
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