The Express.
London, England, 1847-03-06 00:00:00

MONEY MARKET & CITY INT'ELLIOENCE.
Half past Two.—We have a very gloomy state of
affairs in the funds this morning. Consols opened 891 to
for money, and 891 to 90 for time, at which rates
sellers were numerous, so that they have declined,
and are now 894 to I for money, and 89$ to I for time,
with a market extremely unsound to appearance. The re-
ported failure of a joint stock bank in the north of England,
having eight, or, according to some versions, twelve branches,
has cau ed a considerable sensation, and occurring at such an
inopportune moment, with banking and money matters
already tight, has made the more waists, impression in the
Stork Exchange. It is not necessary to give the name
of the bank spoken of, as no authority to be re-
lied upon implicitly has yet been openly quoted
for the report, although there is reason to fear it is
only too true, so freely and confidently is it circulated. It
is supposed that the embarrassments of the bank in
question have been caused principally by large and im-
prudent advances on railway shares and scrip,
which the owners have neither been able to re-
deem, nor the bank to realize by sale in the market.
Consols Scrip is quoted 4 pm. only, but without any business
doing in it. Reduced Threes are now shut for the dividend.

Three-and-a-Quarter per Cents., 91j to 2. Exchequeriiiii,
31. to 6s. pm.
Spanish Bonds continue rapidly in decline ; the Fives are
now only 225 to 3, with a rotten market ; the Threes, on
which, being of insignificant amount, the interest has been
paid so far, are 331 to 4. P are 33 to 4. Mexican,
21 jto 21. Dutch Two-and-a- alf_per Cent.. have fallen
to 58 to j ; the Fours, to 92 to j. The foreign market is
heavy, and generally in decline for all securities.

last 1136 Y, 204
3 oar Cc we. Aar., Na-
II per C. Orel.

633
Camels •
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3 per Ct. Amides /Weis.% 6
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Tim Wm.. I'
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Total ton
Copper Ores for Sale on Thursday week, at Adamant
Hotel, Itednult.— Mines and Paresla.—Carn Bess Men,
774—United Hills, 321 Par Consols, 263—Wheal Prosper,
247—Allred Consols, 211—Levant, 133—Trenow Comoola,
74—North -Wheal Basset, 53—Cook's Kitchen, 23—Wheal
Ruby, 14—Wheal Agar, 12.—Total, 2,086 tone.
Capper Oros far Sale oa Thursday week, at Pearce's Hotel,
Thin —)1 iass and Pareels.—Devonshire Great Consols,
Wheal Maria, Wheal lams, and Wheal Josiah, 1,206-
1 twit Condon. 371—Poklies, 314—Fowey Consols, 283
Friendship, 232—Wheal Jewel, 141—Bedford United
Mises, 111—Holinbush, 80 —South Towan, 37 Wheal
Maiden. 33—Total, 9,406 tans.
1111yrleitriitrbrUo.,= ~ 06; do., 35 ; do., 67—•
Knodunahas, 126; do., 82; do., 7rdo., 72; do., 26--Cob,.
91,; do., 90; do , 81; do., 82 ; do., 70—Recompensa 84; do.,
Si, do., 60; do., 31; do., 6 Burnt Burry 64; do.,
62; do., 60—Chili 60; do., 42; do., 49; do., 3—Ka-
ponds 79; do., 28; do., 22; do., 9 —Ballymuragh 48-
liolyford, 23; do., 18—Sydney 22—Princess Royal 10-
Panne, B—Total, 2,280 tons.

HOPS.—BOROUGH MattILET, Twe e'
Cl«k.—
Mc•srs. Patteaden and Smith, Hop Factors, report that the
demand continues steady for all good Hope.
IW• lad Csa,p.alri. AL •04 M. 1.1 YeArll•A Lan.. I.eve a its 41 •
were of Loan- „ 4 •to • I Teartlag Orem- ~ I • 0,4 •
Ammaz ...... III 0,410 0141 110pe .. . „ I •le 4 •
MMr 1110.
Wozczaria, MARCH s.—The business doing in Hops is
more extensive, and the late rates are fully matntained for
good samples of new. Prices per cwt.: Low, new, from 70s.
to 80s. ; Coloary and choice, from SU. to 925. ; Yearlings,
from 40s. to 605.; old Olds, from 30*. to 501.
HAY.—SIIITHPIELD. Two o' Clock. —Mears. Cooper
and Davit, Hay and Straw Salesmen, report sales at the fol-
lowseit prices:—
Prime 14.4.11.1 71. O. 1144 I 1emea....004. te, Mc I otralr.... ira le 36.
I•hrler OILY.. MU. Is 7•e. 1 Clever ....••a N 100 A

SKINS.—BASINGSTOKE, MARCH 3.—Best Downs,
5.. ; middling, 4s. 6d. ; by the bargain, 4s. 3d. each. Long
Wools, beet, ss. 6d. ; second, 58. • as they run, 4s. 14d. each.
Shorn Skins, 10d. to 14 each. Lamb Skins, 2s. to 2s. 6d.
the dozen. Heavy Oz Hides, 21d. to 3d. per lb. ; light, 2ld.
to 24d. Calf Skins, 4d. to 445. Horse Hide., 7s. to 10.
each. Rough Fat, 2s. 105. per stone of 81bs.

Sotrrnaarrog, Maitcg 6.—The market full of all kinds
of Skins. The price of best Downs, selected, 6s. to Ss. 3d.
each; una.eorted, as. 3d. to 4s. 9d. each; poor, 4e. each.
Long Wool, Cottawold and Leicester, the ,best, made 61. to
6s. 9d. each; middling, U. 6d. to ss. each ; as they run,
as. 3d. to as. 6d. each; Lsmb Skins, 2s. to 2s. &I. the dozen;
Oz Hides, first quality, &I per lb.; second, 24d.; light, 2,1.
to 21d. Horse Hides, Bs. to 12s. each. Calf Skins, from ad.
to 40. per lb. ; dres-cd, 16s. to 20s. each. Butchers' Rough
Fat, 2s. 9(1. to 2s. Ild. per stone of Blbs.

CATTLE, &o.—DitrFnELD, MARCH 3.—We had
a good supply of both Beasts and Sheep, most of which were
sold. Beef, 6s. 6d. to 6s. 9d. ptr stone ; Mutton, 6d. to 64d.
pot lb.

Erwrza, MARCH 6. Our market continues amply sup-
plied with stock; to-day was one of the largest that has been
seen for some period. Fat Beef remains at the same price,
Bs. 6d. to 9s. 3d. per score; Barreners and Steers were very
plentiful, and sold at moderate prices, the former bringing
from 5s to 6s. 6d. per wore, and the latter from 281. to 381.
per pair. Cows and Calves were nulnerous, and sold at
from 11/. to 171. Butchers' Calves were plentiful, but
mostly of inferior quality, and sold from 51d. to 61d. per lb.
There was a good supply of Sheep, which met with ready
purchasers, fat Sheep selling freely at from litd. to 61d. per
lb., according to size and quality.
FARZINODON, MARCH 2.—There was a very sheet supply
of Sharp at market this day, ealy 740 passed, the trade I.
which was brisk at a trifling advance. Mr. Farlow, of Mad-
den Farm, near Brims Norton, had 40 very superior Sheep
at market; they were much admired, and were purchased to
go to Bath. Fat cattle, a very middling show for this
market. An ex.raordinary supply of Heifers and Grazers,
and trade good and brisk. Pigs, a short supply, and dearer.
Beef, 3s. Bd. to 4s. 2d. ; Mutton, 4s. 4d. to 6s. ; fat Pigs,
10s. 6d. to Its. per store.

Tongan., MARCH 2.—This market was liberally supplied,
especially with fat Bullocks, the sale of which was sluggish.
The graziers, owing to the early set in and continuous long
winter, are deficient in stall food, and exhibited a strong de-
sire to rid themselves of their fat Beasts, consequently sales
were effected at reduced prices. Fat Bullocks, 60s. to 62a. ;
contract Beef, 465. to 60c ; Cows and Calves, 48a. to 625. ;
best store Heifers sad Oxen, 42a. to 40e. ; rough ones, 33.5.
to 40s. per cwt. Sheep, 641 d. per lb.
Youx, MARCH 4.—We had a good supply of fat Beasts,
with a good attendance of buyers ; prices from tie to fie 9d.
per stone. A short supply of fat Sheep sold well, at from
018. to 7d. per lb. A good supply of lean Beasts met with
a heavy sale.

COVENT OARDEN.-27ac Morning.—The cold
weather during the past week has limited the supply of all
kinds of Vegetables, and high prices continue to be realised.
Most kinds of fruit are scarce, excepting Pine Apples, which
are sufficient for the demand. Hothouse Grapes are over
for a time, and foreign sorts are far from being plentiful.
Pears are scarce ; good samples of Glout Morceau and Ne
plus Maoris fetch from 4s. to 6e. per dozen. Apples are
also scarce. Oranges continue to fetch good prices. Nuts
are sufficient for the demand. Walnuts are scarcer.
Lemons are more plentiful. Of Vegetables, Winter Greens
are good, but scarce ; and good Cornwall Brecon fetch from
6e. to 10s. per dozen heeds. Carrots and turnips are
cheaper. French Beans are more plentiful, and so is Celery.
Potatoes fetch higher price.. Lettuces and Endive are
rather scarce, but other kinds of Balading are plentiful.
Mushrooms fetch good prices. Cut Flowers chiefly consist
of Heaths, Jasmines, Camellias, Pelargoniums, Gardenias,
Cacti, Cinemriss, Tulips, Lily of the Valley, Neapolitan
Violets, Roman Narcissus, Hyacinths, Lilacs, Euphorbia
jacquiniflora, Acacia', dialed's, Moss and other Raw.

YILVITS.

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deem br bawl br the year ending emelt I, 1116.
SWAM 11211DING1.—Custody of 041mbre; Prisons Mk:
111PO17.—Leboarbig Poor (Ireland) BM
CAPTAIN WYNNE'S REPORT.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE took the opportunity of
stating with reference to the question which had been pmt to
him last night, that he understood returns had been eaWd for
in the other holm of the names of aU the persons dismissed,
and the cause of their dismissal, from the relief works, under
Captain Wynne's orders. As the number of such persons
was, he bettered, nearly 9000, of course the returns were not
yet made, but it might be interesting to the noble lord
(Brougham) to know, that pending the production of the
paper, Captain Wynne motioned in the employment of the
Maid of workr.
Lewd BROUGHAM was very glad to hear it. As for the
return referred to of course it could never be expected to
raise the question at issue.
RELIEF WORKS IN IRELAND.
The Earl of RADNOR said that he would rake this op-
portunity of asking whether It was true that the number of
persons toyed upon the relief works had latterly been
increased ? He was informed that there were
new me has than 660,000 persons employed on these works,
hisey an increase of 40 per cent. upon the number so cm-
CZsix weeks ago. Calculating at the rate of Ave to a
, it would therefore appear that between three and
bur millions of persons were now subsisting in Ireland upon
the public money. He had understood that every thing
that could be done would be done to diminish the relief
works, and he begged to ask if there was any hope that
there would be speedily a decrease in the numbers thus
employed ?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was bound is say, that
ha was not tit the bust surprised at the noble Earls anxiety
on the trebicet=an anxiety is which be greatly shared. It
wee nentonbesCy stated to parliament souse time slap, that
the relief works in Ireland should be, not abruptly, but
gradually discontinued. The only reason why that intention
was not already acted on was, that unhappily there seemed
to be in Ireland at the present time, increasing destitution,
Increasing scarcity, and increasing absence of all means of
heel support. No time had been lost in forming in Ireland
the committees to be organized under the bill which had
.111111Itly been passed, but in the mean while the Relief
Inds to some extent must be continued. Most positive
hiallime had, however, been sent to Ireland, enjoining
ibe dbeittluntance of those works gradually, and ordering'
tbellim others should be commenced except under the moat
imps' circumstances. (He (Lord Lansdowne,) felt confi-
dent that there could not fail speedily to be a diminution in
the number of labourers employed on those works, and he
should be obliged to the noble Earl, if he woald continue to
give his attention to the subject.
Lord BROUGHAM could only hope that the intentions
of the government would not be frustrated by the event.
What he feared, however, was that they were getting into
a plan from which it would be difficult to draw back.
The Earl of MOUNTCASH EL said, that when he heard
the noble earl opposite asking when the relief works were to
be discontieurd, and speaking in the unfeeling sort of way
be did—(cries of " No. uo.")--of the state of Ireland, he
(mold only wish that the noble earl knew half of the distress
which existed at the present time in that unhappy country.
When people were dropping all around them—when they
were found dead ins the roads and dead in the fields—when
contagion of the most fearful kind was spreading, not only
amongst the poor, but into the dwellings of every class of
society—it could not but be felt that it was impossible to put a
stop suddenly to works which were, in fact, the only merits
existing of supporting the people. There was 'nether reason,
too, for militating these works. Many of them were not
half finished, and if they were stopped now, the public
money already expended would be thrown away.
The Earl of RADNOR had been misunderstood, if he had
Um 'unposed to speak unfeelingly of the distresses of Ire-
lend. He would do for Ireland everything that he would do
for Yorkshire. But what he complained of was the system
which was in operation—a system which he could not hesi-
tate to condemn as vicious.

TRANSPORTATION AND SECONDARY PUNISH•

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=NTS.
On the order of the day for the second reading of the
Custody of Offenders' Bill being read,
Earl GREY rose—He begged to move that this bill be
read n second time. Its object was not one of any consider-
able importance, its intention being meanly to assimilate the
law of Ireland to that of England, with reference to the cus-
tody of offenders. At the present time the only means
which existed of disposing of criminals in Ireland was by
sending them to Van Diemen's Land or Norfolk Island ;
but under this bill they would be treated precisely u
offenders in England were to be treated. There was another
bill upon the paper of which be intended also to move the
second reading that night—it was called the " Prisons" Bill,
and its object waste make a change, a very necessary change
as be considered it, in the constitution of the governing
body of the three national prisons of Pentonville, Millbank,
sad Parkkunt. This bill was also of minor importance ;
Mil be Istrellosingellieso measures he considered it
In wilhailli Bill lbsome a general statement of tie Zs=
Intentions of the government, and inasmuch as these were
the only measures which would of necessey be submitted to
parliament during the present 'oar upon these subjects, to
open at once, in moving them, the whole question of secondary
punishment, and of the ehangez contemplated by her majesty's ,
advisers. Those changes he must at once state involved neither
11111••• IN Ism than the total abolition of the whole system of
tranepertation at present existing, and though by law the exe-
grim government had full power to make that change with-
oat any application to parliament, yet, considering the im-
portance of the change, and that the present was a systemd
ad which h been sanctioned by parliament, and had
for many yeses, he f, that it would be inconsistent with
**duty of the government to carry such a change into
risk without calling the attention of the legislature to the
milleat. New, no subject involved considerations of graver
er wore primary importance. It was absolutely necessary for
iho existence of society that the punishments by which
dso law was enforced, should be of such a character as effec-
rally to deter offenders from the committal of crime, and it
VW not less important to society that the result of punish-
ment should be, as far as possible, the reformation and
improvement of the unhappy objects who were subject to
it. At the same time, however, that this was a question
of the gravest importance, it must also be admit-
ted that it was a subject of the greatest diffi-
culty. It was a subject upon which venous plans
had been adopted by various civilised nations, and yet with
respect to which nowhere could it be said that this difficult
problem had received complete and satisfactory solution.
But although this was undoubtedly the case, yet of late
years the experience which had been acquired in this and in
many other countries, enabled them to judge to some extent
what measures it was most expedient to adopt. He had
siready _staled that the change which her Majesty's govern-
mot Mel ditenained upon introducing into their policy, ex-
lisilei le sidini leas than the virtual abolition of trans-
frussi this country. Of course, when he spoke of
tins, he did not include in that term the punish-
Mr of offender at Gibraltar and Bermuda, who were
WNW upon a plan entirely different from that applied to
semi* In other colonies, In the cases of New South Wales
sad Van Diemen's Land, convicts sent to the colonies for
the most part did not return to Europe, but, when their
term was expired, became settlers in the dependency.to which
they were sent. Such, however, was not the ease with
the convicts sent to Gibraltar and Bermuda. Thom
criminals, so far from settling in those colonies, were not
allowed to remain there at all after their sentence had ex-
pired, but were invariably brought hack to England at the
public cost. This system must, therefore, be considered an
extension of our hulk system to colonies in which public
work. were desirable, rather than a system of punishment
by transportation. But, defining in this manner the word
transportation, he repeated that it was their intention to do
away with that system altogether; and be could not hut
believe that their lordships, when they came to hear what
he had to state, would entertain no doubt of the absolute
necessity of that oomph to change. Now, the old system of
transportation was very different from that lately existing.
Convicts sent to the colonies were not usually kept under
the charge of the governor, but were assigned to private
individuals, with whom they were placed in the situation of
slaves, for no wages were permitted to be given them; their
reward for labour was limited to food and clothing, and any
failure of work or neglect of order, was visited by punishment
of • mat summary kind immediately upon complaint
being made to any magistrate. It happened that in the
year 1837, a committee of the other house of parliament was
appointed to consider the question of secondary punishments,
which, having sat for two years end received an immense
quantity of evidence, came to the unanimous conclusion
that this system of assignment, as it was celled, ought to be
ions away with altogether, as a system of the rowed ir-
regularity and injustice. It appeared by the evidence then
obtained that it was quite accidental what sort of punish-
ment convict. might receive. A criminal who had com-
mitted a very heinous offence, and who deserved the
severest punishment, might, on his arrival in the colony,
get a lenient master, and, so far from being panieh .4
might find his situation in life absolutely improved. Many
of those who, in 1830, were transported for riots, so:em-
ptied with acts of incendiarism in the agricultural omui-
rind, on their arrival in New SouthWeles, that, being
agraultursl labourers, they were in great demand, and
Wend of receiving 7s. or Bs. • week in gags, and
being eldised to live upon a scanty diet, they were placed in
*IN Moymit of comparatively every luxury, that their
iedisrey weekly ration was not ler than 10Ib. of butekwea-
mat per week, that they were preateibed a good allowam of
nom sod bread, and that as seask ending was mated to
ae ever they were able le at law
while, in ease eases, it weesega.isiment whatever, is
the pendement was of tie seweeet kind. If the eri.
servant hail a bad or amorist& master be was sab-
Jestedie a emenofeestinual antonym and, wins dense%
ininmse, be was immediately Men balm a
Ism en mere allegation of the meta,
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beisiVilaurinnd feend of in this coutog
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than who were wall off se regarded their menses, Asa
mate bents to their itionde in this esani4timibleg the
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MOUSE OF LOEDS.—Famsv, MARCH 5. off imam 01
The Load CHANCILI.OI took his seat at five o'clock. noinisa not tits spleen of anfpnent
aholfsbod, sod a reselation Want Abet lanai been
to the Home of Commons, measures were speedily s
carrying it into effect. At the same time, it was proposed
that all the convicts trampasted should be retained in 0-
hands of the colonial gewernment and that a much sr
number should be transported. It was felt by the
meat of the day that, under the circumstances, if
LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 6, 1847. [34 large number of convicts were sent out, it would be a i
of extreme difficulty to administer the system properly
The plan, therefore, which it was intended to adopt, -
1 Porto Rico, eta • and lto bop La TOTAL PRODUCE.
with a view to which instructions were framed by his nos
'Whms firm, and doe is enter- 'has. S. ad. Teas. Z. s. d.
' oily be maintained. b" ~ Neetbßakeir 0116 ..6,410 3 Wheel Harriet 1111... 544 3 friend, Lord J. Rouen, when he was at the head of the Co.dim - Ceneendmet 770 _SAO 4 South Reston 1011... 614 6 lonial.otfice, was that of confining transportation to a comps
_260 chest Bahia sold at AK to einwest. 4OO. 1,006 9 Lanteet Comae 99 .. 304 3 ratively small number of criminals, to be seat either to Van
;Le; 200 cheats brows Furness, yoweie Cserals 901...1,396 6 , ilayie tc, lt . toe 19 , Diemen's Land or to Norfolk Island. An order in council wsa
malt, Bs. to 84s. ; 300 boxes 900•1145 tan... 2112...1,306 7 Thrtoil
mood a the beginning of 1840, entirely prohibiting transpor-
. , eta the brew. ; aid go. Creme Brews 243- NS 14 MSc Cm. 44... 223 0 m
' 9.18 c hes in Tali been & WIL Fria* 131-1•1145 6 Wheal Is_ 79 9 tenon to New South Wales. It wasapart of the plan that the
system of punishment at home should be greatly improved.
etoes it quiet...a Fie,' Averagetitandard.../111 17 Average Prods 1
6. 71 ,_l5,
avenge Plies pee ton uat Of course time was requited for that purpose. The prison
Tobacco: 140 arena Geeetit, of th.e 3,614 tam I Quan.Fisis Copper, 279 tar 2 ewt. we., of Pcritonville aas founded, It WAS intended to adopt meet-
Itis. to 80.-Peppy r Amosmterf
which are not yet Lam Sus-Average ...1113 1 11---Annee Padua ...AI /8.,.
hulks ; but la the 3 ear 1341 a resolution was moved in the
'l. to dia. COMPANIM RV WII(111 TRW nave wane ereernagen k
c pm% House of Commons, declaring that it was inexpedient to
ve very firm, keep so large a number of convicts in the hulks; and
mist M 160 Lord , although the motion was resisted by the government, it was
in, at 6ls. return lk Sotpertylibielaboma,,,toer.i.ty. That heippe►ed towards the close
'4 7-111 e. ; raise the , administration; and, so far as he
' is a could discover, no measures were adopted for the purpose
Bow- The Ear, of carrying the resolution into effect during the continuance
to portunity in of that administration. When, however, a change of go-
't. --- persons emp, vernment took place, it was determined awl the views ex-
Total lam
Ores for Sale on Thursday week, at Andrew's cows no lees th and, after a great deal of discussion, it was decided, in the
Roinult.- Mines and Pamela-Cann Brea Minn, being an inert., early part of 1843, that all convicts should be seat abroad,
-United Hale, 321-Par Consols, 253-Wheal Framer, ',toyed six week except the comparatively small number, who were rent to
Alfred Consols, 211-Levant, 133-Trenow Consols, &nifty, it wade Pentonyille, Parkhurst, and Millbank, and those whom age
nth -Wheal Basset, 53-Cook's Kitchen, 23-Wheal four millions of p or health rendered it inexpedient that they should be trans-
-Wheel Agar, 12.-Total, 2,083 tons. the public moue. ported. The whole of the remaining convicts were to be
ATM far Sale oa Thursday week, at POSITCO'II Hotel, that could he doe sent either to the Bermudas, to Van Diemen's Land, or to
es and Panels.-Devonshire Oreat COSIWAS, works, and he bee Norfolk Island. The consequence of that detenanation
Wheal lanes, and Wheal Josiah, 1,206- there would be apt was, that a very large number of convicts had to
371-Poktice, 314-Fowey Consols, 283.- employed ? be sent to Norfolk Island and Van Diemen's Land.
232-Wheal Jewel, 141-Bedford United The Marquis of Lri He confessed that he entertained at the time
ash, 80 -South Tomlin, 37 - Wheal be was not in the least the etroogest conviction that the adoption of that system
108 tons• op the se •est-en arm most lead to very great evOm ; and he fit penuaded that it
Onelbrails: einterna, eras rbe crated would found practically that there were no means of
51r00.,63; do, 35; do., al- the relief works in In carryiag on the system of puaiaement in • manner adequate
do., 78; do. 72; do., 25-Cohre gradually discontinued. to the occasion. At that distance, at a place which was out
do., 70-Recompense 84; do., was not already acted on of the immediate control of the government, where many
- Buns Burrs, 64 ; do., to be in Ireland at the pre slight errors and defects might be discovered by experience
1; do., 49 ; do., 3-Ka- increasing scarcity, and in which could not be corrected without a reference home, re-
9-Ballymurtagh 48- local support,go time ha, quiring nearly • year before any change could take place,
-Princes Royal 10- the committees to be organise and when there was much greater difficulty in obtaining
recently been passed, but is trustworthy servants to carry any system of punishment into
Works to some extent must effect than was experienced in this country; in such a
'too eiatck.- instructions had, however, bee situation the difficulty of administering an extensive system of
report that the the discontinuance of those wee, penal labour was necessarily very great. He had stated that
that no others should be commen the committee of 1938 coatemplated that a certain number of
"ma 8 toe. • urgent circumstance,. He (Lor, convicts should still be sent abroad. He had thought
I OM 4 • .
, 0 ~. 4 • aeut that there could not fail spo that the most doubtful part of the recommendation; but
the number of labourers employe, if transportation to Norfolk Island and Van Diemen's Land
'ass is should be obliged to the noble Earl, had been anfined to a comparatively small number of cri-
-1 fee give his attention to the subject. minals, those who had beeti "euilty of the most heinous of-
se. Lord BROUGHAM could only b, fences, it was possible that the impression made upon
of the government would not be fr men's imaginations by the notion of some severe puntsh-
What he feared, however, was that t. meat carried into effect at so great a distance, and upon
plan from which it would be difficult proms who, on being sentenced to expatriation, were corn-
he Earl of MOUNTCASH EL said, pletcly lost right of by their friends snd relations, might
oble earl opposite asking when the , have counterbalanced the evil. otherwise resulting from the
rintieurd, and speaking in the oak great distance at which the punishment was carried into
'cries of " No. uo.")-of the eta effect. But when the system came to be applied generally,
wish that the noble earl knew ha not being confined to a few hundreds, es was originally pro-
I at the present time in that u. posed, but extended to many thousands ; when • system of
were dropping all around the that nature was canied on at the Antipodes, it
' its the roads and deal in th was utterly impossible that any other result should
'est fearful kind was sprees follow than that which had been actually wit-
at into the dwellings of sewed. (Hear, hear.) Now, he thought that the papers
at be felt that Uwe, impos which had been recentl laid on the table proved that the
which were, in fact, the anticipations of failure lad been too well founded. (Hear,
oeople. There was anal hear.) He would not disgust their lordships by going into
vie'. Many of them the horrible, the monstrous details of the abuses which had
"ere stopped now, t sprung up in Norfolk Island. It was proved by evidence
be thrown away. which it was impossible to doubt that a state of things had
,n misunderstood, i, ban allowed to grow up in that small island which was
of the distresses really too horrible to specify. 'fade system was frightful-
thing that he we (hear, hear)-and it was • disgrace to the British nation that
sri of was the s such a eystan should have existed under the British flag
he could not Very soon after he came into office, some evidence which
came before him was so conclusive that he thought it his duty
RV PUNI; to sue to the new governor of Van Dirmen's Lend orders
at once to break up that establishment. He was happy to
ding of t find that Sir Hardly Wilmot had, to a great extent, antici-
pated his orders; having already taken measures to prevent
bill be any more convicts from being lauded on Norfolk Island, and
yider- gone litr towards 'freaking up the establishment. He need
, the not go into detail as to the frightful outbreak whick was is
'a- preparation ; he would only °bean that but for the oppor-
tune arrival of e small detaihnient, it appeared by no means
improbable that the convicts would have got the upper hand
of the treops ic.d the civil officers, and that every
free person is the island would have been mur-
dered. (Hear, hear.) In reference to Norfolk Island
there war now no difference of opinion amongst their
lordships ; they all felt that the breaking up of the establish-
ment there was absolutely imperative. But even in Van
Diemen'. Land, though he hoped matters were improving,
yet there, too, a stele of things existed which it was most
painful to contemplate. Those who had looked at the *vie
deem mem hen emu ebeweeme seams Wm -beim emir— --
dimatisiled with the state et the markt. In that °okay.
They had often heard of abuses on board the hulks, but he
firmly believed that the very worst managed hulk that ever
existed in this country was well managed compared with
the penal gangs of Van Diemen's Land. (Hear,
hear.) There was all the evidence which it wee pa-
rtible to have, that the system worked very badly. He
was aware that the statements of the governor and
of persons in immediate charge of the convicts, were not so
uniavourabl ' as those which had been received from other
quarters; but it wax impartible to scrutinise closely the
report of Sir E. Wilmot, and of Sir John Franklin whom
he succeeded, without coming to the conclusion that the
system was very far from sueresaftff. From other quarters
most painful statements as to the working of the system had
been obtained. In the early part of last year his
noble friend the President of the Council presented
to their lordships a petition which was signed by
the bishop and a vast number of the most respect-
able inhabitants of the colony. There were between
seventeen and eighteen hundred persons, every one of whom
added his address to his name, in order to show that he was
a bona fide petitioner In that petition he found these words
-". We are in • state of continual drt ad and anxiety for our-
selves and cur families; owing to the number of convicts
by whom we are surrounded, we feel that we have no secu-
nty for life or property ; the moral condition of the colony
is daily becoming worse and worse ; no regulation, however
well intended, no gore mment, however abl-, no improve-
ment in detail, can correct the evil of the enormous man of
criminals that are poured upon our shores ; and if the pre-
sent system of transportation continues' we must, at what-
ever sacrifice, ataindou a colony which has become unfit for
any man to inhabit who regards the highest interest
eiwer of himself or of his children." Within the last few
months he had seen various persons who, from their own
knowledge of the state of the colony, confirmed this re-
presentation. He had seen both the Protestant and the
Roman Catholic bishop, who were at that moment in Eng.
land, both, he believed, having been in • great degree
induced to come by their desire to represent to her Majesty's
government the absolute necessity of putting an end to a
system which led t) such fearful results. those right rev.
bishops concurred in giving him a picture of the state of
society in that island, which wee really too frightful to be
contemplated. (Hear.) It must also be remembered that the
expenditure couweeted with the carrying out of this Eyeless in
Van Diemen's land, on the part of the mother country, had
been extremely large ; he had no hesitation in saying that
had the same sum been expended in a well-conaidered system
of employing convicts at home, the same number of convicts
might have been effectually punished in this country, and
proper buildings might have been erected for that purpose.
But while to the mother country the s stem had been ex-
pensive, to the colony it had been absolute ruin. The
charge thus thrown upon the colony had made it bankrupt ;
and his noble friend opposite (Lard Stanley) was at
last compelled to submit to parliament a proposition
for taking 48,0001. a-year out of the national trea-
sury. By this system many of the most valuable /set-
tlers in Van, Diemen's Land had been forced to quit
the island, and thus a most serious blow had been inflicted
on the prosperity of the colony. Until this large influx of
convicts the career of the colony had been one of almost un-
exampled prosperity; but from that time the stateof things
was greatly altered. He was far from attributing the de-
pression to that cause Mom. (lieu, hear.) He knew Bat
the commercial distress of this country, the drought which
had prevailed in New South Wain, the reaction from
over-speculation, and various other causes of that kind, had
contributed to the distrees of Van Diemen's Land; but he
had no hesitation in saying that the sending of large mansbert
of convicts to that colony was one main cause of Use 'rapid
failing off in itsprosperity, and that it had thus received a
check from which it could not recover for many years. Now
he might be told that it was not the system which wu in
fault, but the persons by whom the system wale:serried out,
and that • greater degree of energy and ability on the pert
of the principal Mann to whom the management of the eon.
victs was entrusted, would have led to different results. He
could not adopt that opinion. In the first place, he most
remark that the government by which this plan was carried
into effect, had the choice of the mesa to whom
its execution wee entrusted. Without peneeeing to
deny that there had been faults on the pan of the
agents-that was a question upon which be wished to
avoid giving any opinion one way or the ethar-be was
strongly of opinion that it wee Lapsible for thew, with the
difficulties to which they wen placed, to have carried
on the system so as to lead to anything hills a
malt. To carry into effect a erten of panal=a
always been found a task of the moan possible difsalty.
Whether the experiment bad boa tried la this smentry or
in America it had always bee bond that say system of
punishment hitherto adopted was attended whit vast diffi-
culties and obstructions. But those dilllsultias and ob-
structions were, es ht. had already intintabd, inliplisd tan-
hid whoa the system was to la worked by a de'ipiod mt.
drafty, final at so great • dietemee ham them he whom
he was nepenlibia -In order that any Byron of thin Mod
should wear vale It was use nary that ha imeelhea
lion nevi* be donly watched from da/440:1•4=1"a
eoneettve In the evils which were • hen it
wedgies dwelt be In provided.
Gewgaw of Vas Diems'. Lod wee Is dr AM N \ .V.,,,
okilmdis arm& 'heedless at the essonlonsin -. r: 4,1_,,,.., ;, en
Infers In maid wake 4.. 1 -,......, yi
tali] ahn=reatand when plus weneumned ..'‘ '
,:<.• ‘. ... , •-•
of coons gent delay occurred ia them ".... - -7
la Norfolk Island the out we still .• •.: . -4
geriatim.minieter of punishment then we. the 7,..-
.....,' -- -
al
a &bigots. The Governor of Van Aim%
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e—
of la emeserstei Ware, yet sars
i item Min resieetis system
dotards' from mime. (Hear,
the mmeattee Glint emu to
lie gam staidessmee smut 1 •
Whet Abet having bees reported
immures were speedily taken for
I the same time, it was proposed
sported should be retained in the
meant. and that a much smaller
ivied. It was felt by the govern-
der the circumstances, if a very
rtre sent out, it would be a matter
administer the system properly.
t it was intended to adopt, and
Amnon* were framed by his noble
ten he was at the head of the Co-
priming transportation to a own_ pa-
•riminals, to be seat either to Van
island. An order in council woe
$4O, entirely prohibiting transpor-
.. It wasapart of the plan that the
onto should be greatly improved.
NI for that purpose. The prison
1. It was intended to adopt mea-
tem of punishment on board the
1 a resolution was moved in the
ring that it was inexpedient to
of convicts in the bulks; and
misted by the government, it was
That happessed towards the close •
•
ministration; and, so far as be
s were adopted for the purpose
nto effect during the continuance
hen, however, a cheer of
determined int the views ex-
-0011113715 should be saes: upon,
liscussion, it was decided, in the
convicts should be seat abroad,
mall number, who were sent to
d Millbank, and those whose age
edicin that they should be trams- • I
remaining convicts were to be
s, to Van Diemen's Land, or to
sequence of that determination
number of convicts had to
od and Van Diemen's Land.
entertained at the time
that the adoption of that system
; and he fat persuaded that it
ly that there were no means of
pueisnment in a manner &del:nate