The Express.
London, England, 1853-03-12 00:00:00

re, be Court.

The Queen held a Privy Council et three o'clock
yesterday afternoon at Burkinehase It was
attended by Prince Albert, the Eat et C.4retaLut
t.r the Lard :nt) ; th. Duke of Argyll. I.lrtl
rtiS.V Seal; the Ab..rdeen. Firbt Lor,l .•t the Trea-
sury; the Dukc of Newe.tstle, t4teretnry t.t S•..te fee the
Coivaiet ; Sir James Groh ent. First LIM el the A,lntir-ho;
the Right lion. S'dney Brawn, Beer..tary et Wart the
li.aquis of Breed:dhow:, Lord Clutuberlaits ; oral the Duke
of WeAinton. Mame:. of the Hera°.
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T, :u BacLuria was Clerk cf :I‘.: Council in

Her Majesty rare audiences to tt.e 1 kr( Aherdoen,
the Etri of it...latent:du, the Duke of Ne0ca,11..., and Sir
James Graham.

The Quceu was attended by Lnrd Ernest Ilruce,
Chat:V*4.6in ; Lord Druml.turig, ennti•trto rof the House-
hold ; the Marquis of An.tiew..y, SC.:: in Waiting;
the Murquis of Ormonde, Lord in Wait;ng ; and Mr. R.
Ormsby (lure, Gut.-:u in Waiting.
Toe Countess of Nenilly Red the Duke de Nemottne
rist•ed the Queen ou Thursaay afternoon at Bockinghan
Palace.

Prince Alb..rt attended by the Hon. Captain de Res rode
out on horseback yesterday morning.
Her M.,jesty and Prince Albert attended by the Ceuntess
of Charlemont, the lion. Beatrice Byng, .I.e Marquis of
Ormonde, Caroni Bouverie, and the Hon. Ciptain de Roe,
honoured the Haymarket Theatre with their presenca last
evening.
The Duchess of Kent, accompanied by the Princess
Adelaide of Holtenlobe, and attended by Loy
Howard, the l3arene.s de Spe:h, and Lord Jun.. x Murray,
honoured thu Lyceum Theatre with their presuice last
evening.
Lieutenant John (B), Royal Na-e, attended
the L•; vie i... 1 by Prim:, Albert by dol.. of her
on Wednesday.
The Committee of the Queen's mod honourable Privy
Clouned, ha the affair. of Jersey and Guernsey, sat yester-
day at the Council-ether, Whitehall, to hear a petition of
the statea of .!ersey, against three orders in council, of the
11th February, 1812, and praying contirmiti-n of certain
Sets p:.s.ed by that assembly in August. 1b.12, in lieu of such
orders; and un petitions of Edward Niculle, and others,
and of certain rate-parrs of Jersey, in the said matter.
The Lords present were: The Lord Push!, nt. Visc.unt
Palm .rston. the Chancellor of the Duchy of trtrnwdl, the
Judge of the Admiralty Court, and the Right lion. Sir J.
Patteson. Sir Frederick Thesiger, Mr. li.oundell Palmer,
and Mr. I'dackesson, appeared for the stab:. of Jersey. Mr.
Charles Clark appeared on behalf of Sir T. Le Breton, the
bailiff, and Mr. De St. Croix, tile grefh. r, .•f rimy ; Mr.
Forsyth and Mr. Dryden (.4- the inhabitants yen_ rally, and
Mr. Curlier and Mr. Marett (of Jersey) far a large body of
petitionary. Ile case was only part heard, and was ad-
journed.

A deoutation on the suu...et or t .e Public Health Act had
an interview with Sir William MosCSA orth yesterday, at the
Office of Wortts and Public Buildings, w Whitchall-place.
The dew:Alan convicted of Mr. Lasktt, M.P., Mr. Tool-
min Smith, and Mr. Knipe.
The Hon. A. Fitzgerald Kiunaird, M.P., the Rev. Dr.
Duff, and Mr. Hawkins had an interview with the Duke
of Newcastle yesterday at the Colonial-tffice.
A .h putatiou, consisting of Lieut.-Colonel Lindsay, Mr.
Thicknasse, Mr. Wudehouse, Mr. l'ease, Mr. Wadsworth,
and Mr. Part, had an interview with the Wglit Hon. B.
Cardwell yesterday, ut the Board of Trade.
Dispatches were received yesterday at the Colonial-office,
from the Governor of Malta. Despatches ware sent to the
Governor-Genzral of Canada.

ELECTION EXPOSURES.

THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE NOR.

WICH ELECTION PNTITIONS.
Yesterday the committee on this :natter re-assem-
bled—Mr. Thomas Dancomhe, chairman; Mr. Drummond,
Mr. Hadfield, Sir W. Jolliffe, and Mr. Bolt. As the evi-
dence, apart from the particular object of the inquiry, dis-
closed peculiarities cenneeted with the electioneering sys-
tem of Norwich, it will justify a somewhat full report.
The committee room was much crowded.
Mr. Kitton's cross-examination was resumed by Mr.
Brown. Witness was recommended to Thompson, When-
ham, and Brown es parliamentary °genie. The with-
drawal of the Norwich petition for any ut'.er petition had
always been a matter of suggestion for considera ion only.
The proposition had never been put to as a distinct
proposition, excepting as regarded the W. st Norfolk peti-
tion. Witness gave a positive refusal in that case; and
whenever Liverpool, Cautetbury, or any other place was
mentioned, atter what hod taken place as to the recogni-
sancee, he felt that before doing anything, he must consult
the Norwich committee and Colonel Dickson. All Hine
matters were cmditional as to whether they went on with
the petition or not. Witness never mentioned the with-
drawal of the Norwich petition fortis. Liverpool to any one
before be ever saw Mr. Brown. Oa witness seeing Mr.
Debenham, all that passed was similar to what passed
between witness and Brown. Told Colonel Forester whea
he saw him at the Carlton that he had undertaken the in-
vestigation of the matter at the request of the conservative
party in Norwich. The majority was 600 or 600 against the
Marquis of Douro, and something more against Dickson.
Advised Colonel Dickson not to have anything more to do
with Norwich. Colonel Dickson was not a man of very
large fortune, and that fact would have had the effect of
provoking an apposition in Norwich. Norwich was a large
place, where elections were very expensive. Witness bad
Riven this advice to other gentlemen, as well as to Colonel
Dickson. _ _

The lion. Chairman—You say the elections in Norwich
are expensive. What makes them so?
Witness—Oh, various matters. First, there is a large
number of poor voters ; next, there are nine or ten polling
places ; and there is a canvass of six weeks' duration. It is
a large and poor constituency, and it is very difficult to avoid
treating.
The Chairman—Anything else, Mr. Kitton—bribery ?
Witness—They do say that.
The Chairman—Do you say it ? (Laughter.)
Witness—Yes. I believe
large amount of bribery—the whip carrying off from 300
to 400 men at 51. a man, and the tories carrying off a similar
number.
The chairman—Like the " pairing off" of the petitions
we heard of yesterday
Witness—Yes. Could not say personally that he had
carried off any voters. The candidates, Lord Douro and
Colonel Dickson, professed to give their support generally
to Lard Derby's administration, but Lord Douro professed
himself a free-trader, and Colonel Dickson professed him-
self a protectionist.
Colonel Dickaien-1 was also a free trader.
Witness—A voter h..d often said, I don't care which way
I vote; and another, I voted for the other party before, and
now I will give you a turn—not caring about colours whether,
orange, purple, blue, or white. The total constituency of
Norwich was from 4,000 to 5,000 voters. Of this number
alli
070.
stsdi!
election
lcc—Mpetitionwct to present,Wroa
from 1,000 to 1,500 were poor voters, and I believe a very
considerable number of these latter can be carried away.
I am speaking of 16 years ago, when we discovered that a
large number had U. en :o carried away. They were
taken a short distance out of the city and kept
there. Assigned this circumstance as a reason why
Norwich was an " expensive " place. These voters
were not 101. houscho'.dera, but chiefly freemen. Did not
know of the richer men bring treated as well as the poor.
There was in Norwich a certain class of voters with a dis-
position to mike the most of the franchise, but there was
also a large number et partisans, who did all they could to
assist the candielates of their choice without esterase. That
was the position of parties in Norwich. One-halt the con-
stituency consisted of a party that scorned remuneration
fur the most intense hard work, out of devotion to political
principles ; while the other party consisted of those who
made the most of ;heir franchise. This resulted in what
for years past had been tbe custom as regarded the return
of member=, to Live ",me and obe ;" so that neither party
could hope to returr two hiershers long in Norwich. The
witness illustrated this by referring to the elections of Lord
Ahinger and Lord Mansfield in 1832, and again to the
election in 1837. Both sides concurred in the "one and
one" system, thinliing it beitter to avoid a contest. This
p. litical reciprocity of ..rr.eloi.ement had subsisted in Nor-
wich for the last hi yews, and the inhabitants were desirous
of carrying it out. It seas s.difactory to the inhabitants,
and it would III' far lo,tter for Norwich thin for other
o.
retire.
sa spnteiwcort
oca anxious
uoxasblibishdcoct
obtain
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Could
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id:arose:bee:
atahtii,:et
etteero . i . . .
4,ednlabwa,,,,syhctti
returned.eittot hnaea tt.
towns if each party were allowed one member.
Examined
to
b y Mr.
Colonela elu-
tionn y effortt h a that
nLwc
koars.,od
uni..avide, Douro
tf,,
Con-
sidered°thha' the object
happy state, 4
at' thecatst eh°°,:frii
pn'tchcote:r.dotpeferes
Colonel Dieleson, thoush not beyond those of leird Douro.
tied not heard that she pressen! Duke of Willtoston had
stated, in a letter to Mr. Ilignold or elsewhere, "- that oho
only wise thing Colon• 1 Dickson had came done with re-
gard to Norwich, was to withtiraw the petition." When

Lord Doer... in Jahr farewell addrese, alluded to mi-
ton Mixon.% a. uttnitel Mai IA hay ile h. ea us•.l to
Oin tit ewe the emsaciessem of the voters, wittier*
understood it to mean iatimid.tioa and t•r:'.rrr."
The okuret of the petition was to taper* the bribery mut
unseat the raeinhvrt. Was nut aware that under .1 law f;
Vict., e. 102, s G. that a petition ti ittrlitinent r gnr•••na
an inquiry must be presented within 21 days after the with-
drawal at II petition. Colonel Dickson did sot allege any
other ~on for wishing to withdraw the petition out of
Brown's hands beside that ■rising from whit Turd
Rnne-
l.gh said. Tne colonel espreued his distrust, end said he
bad lost all confidence in Brown.
Colonel Dickson kers said he had no olgeet:on if the
commits^.• wished Lord Ranelsegh to be called.

Mr. Brown said be whiled It
Witness dial not =Feet any pelsetiary aoLt ince from
Lord DOOM for the unduct of Hoe retain... or 10111 Brows
be expected lordship t 3 sulethribe .gilt., or that the ease
was eonopleteiy hopelem since the " great Oakes" dooth, the
new dale home become a =sob r ul the government and
linter of th, I..,rae. blight have told Brown he wee per-
fectly smash 01, it a case of La ihery wa. got up or eeto-
blished, that the duke would subsciihe toward. the prose-
cution of the petition, Dot could not %.1) vet or n
By the Chairot au—There was an undentanaliog that
nothing tooter should be done I...toeen the candidate'.
DOI not know it woo in writing, and never saw the 'tube on
the s 09. et of the petition, or Is el couversation with loin as
to th • hole Leanne of going on with the petition. Thought,
however, the dub. would have subaiiiwd to the petition,
even -liter he bee one Master of the 11,,rae, if it was shown
to hint there bad been unfelt praetkes.
117 Mr. Brown—Had stated in his previous evidence that
on represervieg certain statements r. Bowe, the latter
said " Used God, caw toe prove iii" awl the einem•
stances fared to matters that m she, if names wet e gun.
toned, criminate third partiss.
By the Consa.ittee—lt was fa:hewed that there were in
Norwich a nom& roble number of poor 'Mere who received
promises or allowances until vacancies occurred in cane of
the eh arities These promises were mode by the fiber Ale. I
Was not aware that they were made by the toile,. Loral
Douro expressly pledged himself not to do so. and nothing
of the sort was due to witnem's knowledge by the Wife.
These ;person e.t.a for the allowances regularly once a
week, and the coneervatio es had a wan in the street who
saw them pail. In one cue when a person wet turd
with this, he said, " Mr. So and So and his wife cone to
ale before th' election, and 1 made hint tomb and such a
premier, and have kept it slue the election," sail Bruin
said, "blood God, can you prove ?" The class of voters
to which M.. Ss and 8o belonged was the liberal clam.
(Ima gliter.) Dol not tell Brown after the withdrawal of
p. titioos that if ho could epees.) Dickson that was all
be need do.
By the committ:e—There are a certain number of chari-
ties In Norwich, and a certain number of trustees, and it
not wain guently happened that a leading man of ither
political party said to a voter, "Now, you may Lave an
allow nee of 2.. or 2s. 6d. a week, until you can get
into the charity, or Old Man's ilinpit,l.' lie then
exerted his personal interest with the tensor of a charity,
sod got the voter in. There had been above fifty recipient..
of this dimity et one time, voters., end the system t been
going en fur a loug time. The right of voting conferred
facilities for getting into that Old Manls Hospital and I
other charitie.. Suppose a freeman had voted Inc his party
steadily for forty years, at the cud if that period he might
say, " I have served my party long and faithfully, I have
paid my rates, and am falling into decay, will you Loo your
iefluenee to get me into the chari y ?"
By Mr. Brown—Nothing ever escaped Brown's lips, that
would have induced him to endorse the statement all, ged
to have been made be Lord Itanelagh, that Brown was a
Main lieely to 'ell " him. If so, witi.en should not have
allowed Brown to retain the conduct of the petition.
Egomania by Col. Dickson—Believed it could be proved
that no fewer than 20 of these poor voters were seeen to re-
ceive these allowances every Friday, and that they had hems
watched and were seen to be paid at the Old Maa's Her
pital ; and from the investigation witness had made, belie-
timed this would be proved to be the ease.
By the Committee—lf the petitions, on hearing befell*
committee wire pronounced frivolous and vexatious, the
Norwich core...entire party would have had to meet the
expenses. Witness would never have asked them for the
amount of his bill. The reason for presenting two peti
tons against the same parties, one against both members,
and another against only one, was done because it was
thought prudent to do so, end with a view to a
,poesible
compromise, on the " One and one" system. Unoorstooll
that the overture from Mr. Oliveira was that both seats
were to be retained by the sitting member,, and witness
would be no party to that.. The object of tile petiinh was
not to fright's 1 into a compromise, and to let Warner
have the seat.
By Mr. Brow n—Had yesterday used the words, " He'd
sell you," bat he now oaderstood the words were " He'll
throw yea over." Colonel Dickson did not tell wit-
ness Lord It anelagh had authorised hint to make that state-
ment. Witness might be surprised if Lord Itonelegh were
to contradict poisat blank he ever said to Colonel Dickson
that he recommended the petition bring taken cut of
Brown's bards. or he wilt throw you over, and that he
told Colonel Dickson that he would, on uo account, tallow
his tonne to he used.
Colonel Forester, who was sitting among members, here
at a suggestion, retired front the room.
Lieutuan.-Colonel Dickson was then examined by the
hon. Chelan*. Ile deposed that, in conjunction with the
Margin. of Demo, he was a candidate at the last election
fee Norwich. They started as free trotters, but as sup-
porters generally of the Derby admiatskation. The can-
vass= together, and issued a joint address. Lord Douro
deemed he would support the Derby administration
so long as it del not go back to protection,
sad witness said the same. It was a mistake
to suppose that either he or his noble colleague were con-
servatives. On Bith, witness wrote Brown a letter, which
Brown had Miele' answered, stating—" I em mere as-
tonished and disgusted than I can express, to hod that the
petition foe Norwich has been withdrawn. lat first thought
that the petitio•ans had induced Kitten to withdraw the
position, but am gratified to find by post this morning, from
Kitten, that ho and my friends there, and himself, are
epwlly iadignant and disgusted at w hat hag taken piece.
The thing has bees dace on your responsibility, and witacut
=authority whatever,and you must take the tensegeence.
It is the jauntiest of the parties at Norwich immediately to
take steps to restore the petitions to the list for the purpose
of having them dealt with by the Hots* ut Commons.
Years, 1.. Diezeow."—Witness waited for a long time on
the following Thursday to see Brown at his office. At last
be drove up in scab and eneountered Major Beresford, to
whom Brown was talking. Witness complained io
the promo, of both that the petition was withdrawn,
and that be had been treated by the party —by
the party be meant—Forbes Mackenzie, Colonel Forester,
madestlems of the Carlton—who took upon them the rema-
in*msmegsmeat of electioas, and th. se gentlemen to
when witness attriOuted the withdrawal of the petition,
taws be did ant believe that Brown had acted without
their genseut. I diculd like to explain my connexion
the gentlemen of the Carina with regard to my
play down to stand for Norwich or any other place. I
WO Mikes to go down somewhere and support Lord
Derby's interest (continued the w does., who gave his eli-
ding* with ensiderable animation). I went to the Carl-
yle, and gave my name in to Cul. Fenster, as a candidate
tap and light for Lord Derby. There were several places
ME= to woe, and among others, Dover. 1 had everything
may. I enraged my solicitor to write to Dover. I cegaged
on agent. I had an address ready at Dover, and was on the
eve of starting, but I happened to see Mr. Forbes Mac-
hu:air, aced on telling him 1 was just about starting, be
said, " Oh, it's a mistake, Forester has no right to do tide
...without nw leave." One would suppose the borough wee'
his own. (Loud laughter.) Mackenzie told me it was a
wattle altogether, and that another man had been found.
Lord Chelsea, who had a better chance than I should
Lave, because he had the Duke of Wellington's
interest, has .ng married one of his nieces, and Mackenzie
said I was to give way for Lord Chelsea. I said, " I'm
sorry Forester mid so, because I have made all my arrange-
ments, and have friends there, to be off for Dover."
(Laughter) I then received the following letter without
date from Cul. Forester :
" Carlton Club, Saturday Night.
"Dear Col. Dickson,—l have spoken to Mackenzie, and
as you seem to wish for Dover I have arranged with him
that you should go. I now give you a piece of advice. The
gentleman who was with you to-day is, as you stated, a
liythe solicitor; he may be of use, but be may have a cos-
teary effect, because I know there is very oaten great
jealousy as to toe interference of solicitors from other
places. You, however, will be the best judge ; only take
new I shall ba in town at the Carlton et three o'clock.—
Tenn Maly, " E. C. FORZIETLa."
After having seen Colonel Forester again, he put me in
isenunanication with Sir Frederick Thesiger in regard to
Abingdon. (laughter.) I have a letter here that Colonel
Forester wrote to Sir Frederick Thesiger. It is rather
illegible. lam afraid the committee cannot read it. (A
laugh.)
"My dear Sir Fred.—l wish to know directly from you
whether there is any stipulation on year part that General
Caulfield shall no: be opposed by any of the conservative
party, or whether the agreement only applies to yon per-
sonally ; as I bare an idea of trying my fortune at Abing-
don, as a supporter of Lord Derby's goeernment, if you
abol'ald consider the party iu no way bound not to contest
the borough, upon this °cession, with the General.—J. 0."
Sir Frederick hay the letter 1 wrote ; but that is what
Colonel Forester Minted me to write.
The Chairman said—Yon wanted to know the nature of
the aoeusation against you, and we arc proceeding. The
committee want to know how Colonel Dickson went to
Norwich, and he is and on his road there. (Loud looohter.)
Colonel Dickson—l accordingly wrote a letter to Sir Fre-
derick Thesiger. I could not say to him "My dear Sir
Frederick"—(laughter)—bat I said
" Conservative Club, March 24, 1802.
" Dear Sir,—At the recommen.lation of my friend Colonel
Forester, I am thiek.ng of becoming a candidate for Abing-
don at the next general election, as a supporter of Lord
Derby's government, but there being a report at Abi/egloo
that tie eun.er.atave party has, through you, been plc id
that they w 'old not oppose General Caulfield, it is of in
portant° to me, before I rut myself forward, to knew from
yourself whether any pledge of this kind was given by you ?
' I understand that you only pledged that you yeareelf
would not again contest the electien against General Cale
field. I shall feel obliged by the favour of an immediate'
answer. I should add, that Cilenel Fenster knows of no
such pledge, add does not believe that you gave any be-
yond what I have am. dear sir, yours, faith-
lolly, " Lotitute Dictum', Lieut.-Col."
I then received the following letter from Sir Freab•rick in
•!1Y Bryinstou-sgeom, March 25, 1862.
" Dear Sir,—Although the arrangement between myself
sad Ossetal Caulfield was made by our mutual binds,

without our personal iatarvention I have no doubt of its
nature and eating. It was merely between ourselves an
engagement that if he would got oppose me at that elec-
tion I would not °ppm° fim at the general election. I
called a maim/ of my friends before the ognmunication
with the friend+ of as general, and they met me again after
it had taken place; and upon each occasion I distinctly'
impressed upon them that the arrangeineut wes a personal
one, confined to myself, and to the electors so far only so I
was concerned, and that it was quite open to them to bring
forward any other candidate in riepodt'on to General
Caulfield at the next elect.oo. So entirety was this a
matter between myself and the General, that if his party
had brought forward any one else to oppose me at the late
election I should have had no right to complain of a breach
of faith ; and, indeed, it was rumoured that they did not
intend ta allow me quietly to walk over the course. Under
these circumstances there cannot be the slightest ohjectiou
to your offering yourself as a candidate for Abingdon;
but my positioo necessarily prevents my interfering directly
or indirectly in your behalf. I .uppose, however, there is
no insprooriety in offering you my best niches for your
succe-a—Yours very faithfully, FRED. TULSIOIR.
•• Lieut.-Col. Dickson, 66, Omen-street."

The witness then went on to detail the circumstances of
his canvass with Lord Douro at Nerai:h. They had •
six weeks' canteen, front 9 to 6 o'clock, and canvassed
LOM voters. It was rather as ordeal to go through
lie continued—l always intended to go to toe poll. I
nes independent of Lord Douro as regarded expenses. We
paid our own expenses. I did not go down as the nominee
or catspow of Lord Dour,. W. convatsed together, went
i• meetings together, and spoke together. (Laughter.)
The Carlton Club did not pay a shilling of our exlensei.
A few days prior to the polling I went to Lord Dour*, and
seeing Mr. Peto'a agent there, I said thinking there was
a cross between the partici., „I hope there is no
compromise." Lord Douro said nothing of the sort. Ile
has only brought a letter front Peto and Warner
signed by them on their words cf honour as gentlemen,
saying they will not bribe themselves nor allow their agents
to bribe for any consalerati. it. lat first hesitated to sign
the paper, and raid, "I don't care what Pete and Warnt r
may do, I shall not bribe, I hove no money to bribe, and
if I bad I should not." Lord Douroseemed annoyed, and
said," If I did not sign he would leave Norwich that morn-
ing, and as l did not watt to upset the cosch—(laughter)—
I said to Douro, 1 will sign." To tell the truth, 1 said, I
did not care twopence about the party, and Lord Douro
" will you do as I tell you, I see what is the object.
lu consequence, I supnose, of his canvass not turning
out so good." I told his lordship, " I am not
your w mince, you did not pick me up in the
highwuss or layeways, and dust I stood on my own bottom.
His lordship was annoyed, and was not cordial afterwards,
and we have spoken since. I said, "If it is • party
wish I will do so," and he said, "Do what I tell you."
always expected the other side would bribe. Large tea
parties were given by the other side, and it is reported that
the other side spent thousands of pounds in this way, and
in bands and processions. In fact, they say that the Pete
and Warner petty spent 12.000/. or 14,0001., but certainly
they carried on the war moat extensively. (Laughter.)
They bad • procession, said to cost 8001., the day
that Pero and Warner came by the railway. The
procession, aecordieg to the opinion of many people en
Norwich, was a disgraceful display. On one of the great
banners was • representation of officers, with cocked hats,
flogging seldiers—(hear, heat),—and on another banner was
seen a red flag, with a crown banging at the tail covered
with blood. That, and a great many other banners, nut
Peto at the atstioe, but he very properly ordered that
banner to bo destroyed.
The Chairman—From your acquaintance with Norwich,
if there had not been a " cross" between the parties, is it
your opinion that Mr. Parry would have come in, and that
the poor men would have returned him.
Witness—l think it was very near it. It was thought it
would be better to leave it to Peto than to Parry, and so
they floored Parry. (Laughter.)
The Chairman said Mr. Pete hail informed him he war
perfectly willing to attend the committee and explain his
conduct, and then asked the witness—Do you think both
, parties intended to bribe a little ?
Witaeoa-1 think the opposite party thought wo were
lying to bribe a little, because Lord Douro, it was thought,
wart au old 7 .

The Chairman (Isnmorotuay)—Briber ?
Witness—No; I meant to say an old electioneerer, and did
not like to be beaten. (Loud laughter.) Oa my war home
afer the election I was attacked by the mob, and one of
them knocked me on the knee, but I gut into
Kerrison's house. Spoke to them from a window
and pacified them, and we parted good frieuds. I was
waited on by a party in Norwich, and told there were 600
voters that had not polled, and that if I came to terms with
them tl.ey would march up in a body, and bring us both
is. I said "we don't mean to bribe. No terms were pro-
poised, but they said eo much • head. (Laughter.) I think
dl. or 101. a head. Ono man said he always sold his vote,
and that his vote was at our service for 201., and that if he
bad 6el. he would vote for Douro. The man polled for
Pete and Warner. Uodersreod that tea parties were given
by the ether side to 3,000 men, women, and children.
(Laughter.) (Witness here put in a packet of letters re-
ceived from Litton, showing the fall intention to prosecute
the petition, and to show that no authority was ever given
to Brown to withdraw it.) On witness telling Browehe
must take the consequences, Brown replied, " D—n the
consequences. I have done it for the cause of our party."
(Laughter.)
The hon. Chairman here read a letter that appeared a few
days ago in the Daily New from Colonel Dickson relative
to the matter of the petition, and which the gallant colonel
acknowledged to have been written by him.
A party, whose name the witness hoped the committee
would not ask bias to divulge, had told him that Brown
bad boutad at the Carlton sad elsewhere to Mr. Bagge and
others, that he had withdrawn the Norwich petitions, that
be had done him a good turn, and had floored or upset
Dickson by it. (Laughter.) 1 have also been told (said the
witness) that Brown told a member of the Carlton that be
knew all about it; that it was not against the West Nor-
folk that the Norwich petition was withdrawn, but against
the Y..ughal, in order to serve Mr. Butt's interest. I
would rather not mention the gentleman's name. lie is a
man very well known at the Carlton—Cul. Knox.
A discussion took place upon an application from Mr.
Brown, to be allowed to appear by counsel ; the considera-
tion of which was deferred till Monday, together with an
application from Mr. Wilde, on behalf et the electors of
Norwich, to be allowed also to appear by counsel to rebut
the charges, alleged by Mr. Wilde to be totally unfounded,
against the electors at the last election for Norwich—than
Which election, he said, there never was • more pure or un-
corrupt one. (Laughter.)
The committee then adjourned to Monday. •
SOUTHAMPTON.
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The members of this committee met in Committee-
loom No. 3, at 11 o'clock yesterday morning. Mr. Henry
Herbert in the chair.
Edward Aitkins, of the Hampshire Banking Company,
deposed to Sir Alexander Cockburn having paid hi to the
creil it of Mr. Harman, on the 20th August, 3301., and 1251. ;
making together 4651.
Mr. -Harman recalled, stated that he had given 6001.,
Mr. Willcox's proportion, to Messrs. Sharpe and Harrison;
and I paid away nearly the whole of Sir Alexander Cock-
burn's 6701. myself. Of Mr. Willeox's 6001. 1501 bad been
given to them, and the remaining sum of 4.501. was given to
them by me.
Several witnesses were called in support of the petition,
the substance of whose evidence war, that Mr. B tt had
canvassed several electors, that Mr. Sense and Mr. Lankes-
ter, and Mr. Cex, had also canvassed several of the elec-
tors, and accompanied many of them to the poll.