The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-12 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUESDAY EVENING, JUNE 12, 1849.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
Rows OF LORDIV+I4OI4DAT, loxs 11.
Tee Earl of Sturman& (Deputy Speaker) took hie
MIA at 6 ceelciek.
PRIVATE AUSINESS.
* THIRD RILDINGS.—Boough of Liu* and Vim
Gorammar !Wool in Louth; Goedeu'a (Minim) Uses ;
Reeding, Guildford, and BMW' Railway (brooch to Los.
doe and South Western Railway) (No S); Rimy bun
Navigation (parase of Siainforth and Yeadby C mal) ;
Divin of the Living of Richmond and Kingeton•apon•
The ; BUM
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
Coormw Coo:vs.—By the Marquis of WESTMINSTER,
'from Casinos. for the eztetsion of the jurisdiotiou of two
court..
Bann Horem.—By the Bishop of NORWICH, from
Bristol and other pima, for the Oolitic& of Beene* to

sures also of grave insperenin. It weer in his opinion like
potting the out before the hew. (Laughter) The present
measure was taken in an undue and Illogical sequence,
and would meter the most unprecedented powers open
the commiesiouers appointed under it. By the bill which
their lordships were nand upon to pass, the owner of pree
Porte. say to the amount of 6,00 W. • year, salon awe
eneumbruce of 60,00 W., and a second to the meant eif
IMIW., would be enabeel to slip his neck out of the sues
to the tone of 20,000 i. end thereby emape from the sees*
mortgage altogether. 'He could not 1w how the issaish•
stoners would have the power of preventing suck es Mau
room from taking place, by means of • fictitious tale.
Lord CAMPBELL did sot think that the *otter would
here any such motive or intesnet.
Lord BROUGHAM said that the owner would be enables'
to get up a fictitious sale and have his property bought in
by a friend or relation. How was it possible for the um-
missioners to discover whetter the purchner was or was set
•it iend of the owner ? They had no means of compeilleg
him to disclose whether be purchased on his own beboof or
on that of the original owner, and he may continue to hold
the property year after year, paying the remand profits to the
tatter. He thought it fir to state the difficulties that
presented themselves to him on hie reeding the bill in
the first instance. As to the authority on which the bill
was founded, he did not know that theta was any reason to
believe that the present L ird Cnancellor was friendly dis-
posed is it. He felt quite sore that hie noble friend had so
authority for stating that the late Lord Charteellor (Lord
Ldhurst) w-s favourably disposed in respect to it. He
wu t that the Irish Chancellor had a very strong 'vision
in favour of this bill. He was sure, when be looked
into the great inroad which he bill would make
into the business of the Irish Chancellor, without
making sny inroad on his patronage, and when he
saw that it would remove the great bulk of his,
duty—he could easily imagine that he would have no great
indisposition to listen to the proposal of such a measure. It
did so happen, and he (Lord Brougham) was informed on
authority which governed his oi istion that the Irish Chan-
cellor stood stone is his opinion. He thought that
there would be no difficulty in carding this bill
before a committee, where many of his objections iray
be removed. He thought, for instance, that instead
of givirg unlimited powers to an owner or intim-
braneer, one-half or two-thirds of the deer rent, in cases
where there wee • certain proport on between the 'nous-
brawn and the rent, should go to the payment of the
interest on mortgagee. He thought that it would be
judicious, for the purpose of avoiding collu-ive sides, to
insert a clause, providing that there should not be less than
• certain number of years purehose. He was of opinion that
these moeifications of the bill, without affecting the prin-
ciple, might, if adopted, alter his sentiments with regard
to it. Whether they n ere adopted or not, he thought it
but his duty to make these suggestions.
The Earl of OLENGALL said that be was never more
astonished in his life than on seeing a bill of this nature
proposed in this house of parliament. He wondered that
any men could dare to propose a downright confiscation
.if the great bulk of property in Ireland. He obj• cted alto.
gether to the principle of the bill, which was nothing short
of a plan for the downright confiscation of the great bulk of
property in Ireland. It was a measure of socialism and re-
volution, and be recommended MM. Louis Blanc, Conte-
&rant, and Prondbut as the three commissioners most fit to
entry the bill into execution. Tee noble earl described the
evils connected with the system of receivership at present
existing in Ire land, and contended that, should the Master
of the Rolls and the Masters in Chancery be relieved by
some commissioners in aid from the it guines that clog their
offices, and should some other cumbrous impediments be re•
moved, there would be no necessity f. r thb wicastitutional
bill, or the triumvirate armed by it with the meet pre-
puterous powers. The noble earl declared that, should the
bill in its then shops pass into law, every man in Ireland
would throw up his cep for repeal of the legislative union.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to ask his noble and learned
friend opposite whether the evidence to be token before the
commissioners was to be given rim wee or by affidavit ?
Lord CAMPBELL replied that no provision was made
upon the point in the bill. It was a matter which would
be left entirely to the discretion of the c inimbeioaers.
Lord BROUGHAM also wished to know if there was
any clause in the bill which provided lot the ease where the
commissioner had decided that an estate belonged to a cer-
tain party, and a claimant afterwards appeared ?
Lord CAMPBELL stated that ample powers were given
to the commissioners for the woe put by the noble and
learned lord opposite. All the world won't have notice
of the decision of the commissioners ; and in eases where
there were contending claimants, they went empowered to
direct an issue.
Lord MONTEAGLE said no one could doubt the neva-
sity for some reform beinw made in the law effecting r.al
property in Ireland. The bill before the house did tot
stand alone, because if it was passed another bill in con-
nexion with it would be brought forward. If this bill alone
were passed he should agree with that part of it which
rendered the means of paniug real property more direct and
lees expensive, but if it were conjoined with the other bill
which west* be introduced it would render the treader of I
real property leas easy. The bill to which he alluded was the'
Poor Law (Ire' aid) Amendment Bill. Now he wished to
call the at of their 1 erdships to one or two
fate connected with that bill. In Ireland they
were aware that viceeguardisns of the poor could be ap-
pointed at the discretion of the crown. These vicvguardiens
were not necessarily connected with the district for which
they were appointed, nor were they responsible to any one
in the district for their conduct. Tney had the power of
robing any amount of rates they thought fit, and thus bur-
dening a district with as large a debt as they ohm. Pewee
had been given to these vet-guardians to take proceedings in
the superior courts at Dublin, to recover any rates they
levied. This power had been granted because it had been
said that case might arise where it would be necessary
to have the opinion of • superior court With re
oard to the bill now before the house, he wished to limit
is principle to providing a more cheap and expeditious
meaner ot converirg property in Ireland. He thought then
ought te be • clause in the bill with reference to dividing
estates, for he knew the cue in which two females had come
into an estate in Ireland, and instead of dividing property
properly in half, they had divided it fawn by farm, which
had caused great confusion.
The Earl of WICKLOW approved of the bill in prin-
ciple. It merele carried into effect, by • different ma
cninery, another measure of a similar (Vitali:glen which be-
came the law of the land last year. The principle, although I
it was now so vehemently opposed by the noble and
learned lord opposite (Brougham), was precisely the same in
both bills, and dint year's measure the noble and learned
lord bad entirely approved.
Lord BROUGHAM-oh, no. This bill has been very
muck changed. It has come up with twenty or thirty alte-
rations.
The Earl of WICKLOW said there might have been
many alterations, but the principle of both bills was pre-
cisely the same. The transfueuce of the power of the
Court of Chancery to ummiseioners was the great principle
of the bill, and to that the noble and learned lord was op-
posed. In principle, he saw no difference between that
hill and the one last year under their lordships' con-
iideration. He approved of the facilities to be given
for the sale of land in Ireland; and he was sure the
proposed alterations in the law would be productive
of the utmost advantages. He was, however, by
no means so sanguine for the success of the measure as its
promoters seemed to be. His candid opinion was, that in the
state of real property in that country, with the panic which
exists amongst all classes there, that no purchasers
would be found from one part of it to the other. He should
support the second reading.
A short conversation between Lord Brougham, Lord
Campbell, end the Earl of Gli neon having ensued,
The bill was read • second time.
Lord CAMPBELL said he had no objection that it should
be referred to a select committee, provided there should be
no guidon there liaised to the principle of the measure of
which their lordships hadjust now approved.
Lord BROUGHAM. said he had not the slightest totem-
des to take any captions objection in committee.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE had no objection to as-
mode to the peoreition of his noble and learned friend oppv
doe time the bill should be sent up stain, but it should be
tie stria undentanding that no objection should be
tidies is essassittee to the principle of it.
Lord STANLEY at once admitted that the principle
of the masa» had ben approved of. Is committee, they
should have to deal with the consideration of details—ouch
as the manner in which the powers to be given could
be beet and most beneficially exercised, and an what
manner abuse could be most effectively guarded slimiest
The bill was then ordered to be referred to a select com-

ioreelsouses.
Pnaraortox or Women Bris.—Bp the Bishop of
NORWICH, seen al from various risers is favour of this bill.
FINANCIAL Rxrcaut.—By the Earl
the,
from Hasloingtoositice, tavour of ad pawn of this
principle.
EXPLOPIONS Irf MINNA.--By the Earl of St. GER-
MANS, front Mr. G. Gurney, on the Illbjest of eaphaluas
is coal taken

tee, /plop; inheritors% of Llantrrsnmaion, in the county of
filemligentery ; inhabitants of the town of Beatles, county of
Sulk& (two petitions) ; the church and congregation of the I
Bag Met &nomination, at Ffynnonhery, parish of Courryl,
CarmOthenshire ; inhabitants of Hampton us Arden. and Bel- I
salt, In the parish of Hampton in Arden, county of Warwick;
the church and congregation of the Baptist denomination
at Rameth, Cinsfelin, in the perish of Lnooine, Carew-
thenshire ; inhabitants of Preston Brook, Cheshire ; inha-
bitants of But Linton and vicinity, county of Haddington ;
memben of the congregation of Wesleyan Methodists of
Ripley, Derbyshire; Independent congregation of Cefnire-
bror Pyle, Ghsmorganshire; the church and congregation of
the Baptist denomination, Rhydargaenn, parish of Lanpon-
saint, Carmarthenshire ; the church and congregation of the
Baptist denomination at Bethlehem Chapel, parish of Lien-
darrog, Cannarthensbire inhabitants of the town of
Ryde and its vicinity, in the Isle of Wight ; church
and congregation of liffelleyan Methodists at Stafford ;
the church and congregation of Independents at Stone,
Staffordshire ; the church and congregation of Independent
disseritere, Stafford; the church and congregation of Eng-
lish Presbyterians at Stafford; the congregation of Bethel
Chapel, near Tremsdoc, Camarvenshirs ; the inhabitants of
Pennant, in the county of Carnarvon ; the Calvinistic Me
thodiats congregation, at Bwlchderwya Chapel, pariah
Clynnor, Cimarron; congregation of Colvinlstic Methodists,
at Oarih Chapel, Pont Maim, county of Cimarron; the
Welsh Calvinistic method-its congregarions at Capel Cerrig
and Bettor's, Carnanonshire ; the Welsh Calvinistic me-
thodists congregation at Yspythy Ivan, Carnarvonshire ;
the Welsh Calvinistic methodist congregation at Dolyddilio,
Carnarvonshire ; the Welsh Ca:rinistie methodist congrega-
tion at Tin-r-Perth, Penmachno, Carnarvenshire; mem-
bers of the congregation of protestant dissenters at Welt-
ite chapel, Clltheroe, ',menhirs ; inhabitants of Bungle),
in the county of Suffolk; Mr. BANKES, from a baptist
congregation in Dorsetahire, in favour of international arbi-
tration treaties instead of war.

DEFECTS IN LEASES BILL.
Oa the motion of Lord CAMIBiLL this bill was read a
third time and passed.
BANKRUPTCY LAW CONSOLIDATION BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM said that seelag his noble friend the
President of the Council in his plows, he wished to apprise
their lordships el a circumstance which he felt bound to
ram at the earliest moment. Their lordehips were awes* of
the unanimity with which the Bankruptcy Law Cono.lidation
Bill paased through their house. Owing to the szartioas of the
excellent chief clerk at the table, 70 extra clerks were em•
ployed in degreasing the bill so that it might be sent down to
the other house on Friday night. At this period of the ses-
sion everything depended on not a day being lost. The bill,
however, was not read a first time on Fiiday. It wee a
matter of courtesy to their lordships' house that the bills
which they sent down should be read a first time. This bill,
however, which was to receive no opposition, had bees pat
in jeopardy in consequence of this delay. H•bellsout it
hod not bin read a first time at a quarter-pea 4 eels&
to-day.
Lord CAMPBELL—I have inquired, and I find it has
now been read a first time.
Lord BROUGHAM—MynobIe and learned friend thinks
he has said a very clever thing. He never said a stupider
thing in his life. (A lough) He is not disposed to say
stupid things. God forbid that he should I (Much laugh.
ter.) Whet he (Lord Brougham) complaieed of was, that
the bill was read a first time today,instead of on Friday.
There must be some underhand opposition to the bill to ac-
count for this delay. lilt was to be met with this chicanery
—these underhand proceediess—there was no chance of its
riming this erasion. If it did not pas the fault was not his ;
bat he knew whose fault it would be. He had all the par-
ticular', sad he would have those persons take care how they
forced him to bring them forward. In consequence of the
bill sot having been read a first time on Friday, few days
had been lost.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said It was unusual not
to road • bill a lint we in the Commons when it was sent
down ; bat he was confident that there could be no intention
to delay the bill.
LEASEHOLD TENURE OF LAND (IRELAND)
BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL postponed the adjourned debate ea
the third reading of this bell. He intended to propose ear-
UM amendments, and he should move that they be printed.
TURNPIKE TRUSTS' UNION BILL.
This bill resod through committee, and was reported to
i the house.
EXPLOSIONS IN COAL MINES.
The Earl of ST. GERMANS, on presenting the potties
from Mr. Gurney on the explosioas in coal mines, said that
a great number of lives were sacrificed annually by the ex
plosions in opal mines. la 1847, 823 persons, and in 1848,
U 6 persons were killed, sad many injured and disabled, by
explosions is cosi slats. The petitioner prayed for an
into the cause of these occident'. A committee j2:21
Shields appointed to inqu ire into chokedemp and otherdeaps,
whisk issued this explosion, in 1846, had stated that
satilliwy MO a whet system of ventilation could pretest
times sesikaM, sod they considered the mode of ventilatima
recommended by Mr. Gurney by high-pressure doom the
best remedy which could be devised. Notwithstandirg this
reedmai.ndation nothing was done until last year. Sir H.
De la Bache and Professor Playfair recommended improved
ventilation, but did not suggest any method of effecting it.
Last year a Mr. Foster tried some experiments on high-
pressure steam at the PAytechnic Institution, and, being
satisfied with the result, he was referred to Mr. Gurney, the
experiment was tried at Seaton and Bla Vale Colliery by
Mr. Fos:er, and it had there been most successful Tee
high.pressure power had since been increased 100 per cent.,
and it might be effected at very small cost. A few weeks
ago a mine near Manchester was found to be on fire, and Mr.
Gamey being referred to by Mr. Darliagton, the proprietor,
NI to whether the Are could be extinguished, Mr. Gurney
maned that by the means of high preemie steam carbonic
mid gas might be drives into the mine and the fire cads-
'ebbed. The imperialist had been tried with the greatest
omegess. It had been said that Mr. Gurney was a visionary
eatbutiast, and this bad been told to the government, but kii
bud long known him, and a more practical, sensible man he
bed never been acquaiated with. All men who devoted
themselves to science with ardour were necessarily enthu-
siast,. (Hear, hear.) He had been the inventor of the
limmobond light; and he need not add that he had also
imeard the Buds light, ursine it after the place whim
be resided in Cornwall ; its effect was well knows and
highly approved of, he believed, is the other house of rir-
Velment. He mentioned these things to show that -Mr.
Gamey was not merely an enthusiast. He had also in-
mated an improvement in locomotive engines, which bad
Ihismand their speed from nine maw to thirty miles per
I ` hour, and that improvement was first applied to the Liverpool
sag memehester line. Re begged to ezpros a hope that the
bow wield consider this petition, which reposed a means
dlfolimstimy these frightful accidents in coal mines which
mese- really disgraceful to the country. It was an invention
I gmbedated to effect a great saving of life, sad deserved the
Illaatest agentien. (Hear, hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM thought this a meet valuable inven-
tion. when it was considered that from 700 to 800 lives were
lost by fire.damp every year, from the utter impo.sibility of
whinfeiene the workmen use the safety lam
of p. Ile wished his
noble d had moved for a committee the haus" to in-
quire into the subject.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought Mr. Gurney's
merits were unquestioned, and that they entitled him to the
consideration ot the country. He thought it desirable that
every species of publicity should be given to the discovery of
Mr. Gurney.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE thought the discovery most valu-
able, and he considered the time bad arrived when the
government should institute some system of inspection of
mines. In 13. Idium for seasrs past such a system of in-
spection had been established ;end there had been a decrease
of twenty per cent. pee in
the number of lives lest
deco saM Inspection had been established.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord BROUGHAM linked the noble and learned lord
(Campbell) to postpone the Encumbered Estates (Ireland)
Bill. The Lord Chancellor was absent, and a noble sod
harmed friend of hie (Lord Lyndhurst) had not undetstoei
eye it was to be brought co to-day, and was therefore she
abosa
Lordt. CAMPBELL was so satisfied with the pressure al
his noble and learned friend, that he could not consent is 1
postpone the bill.
Lard MONTEAGLE said he should like to know what
was the principle of the bill. If it was to onset a low for the
cheapest, safest, and mast expeditious transfer of lead is Ire-
land, that was so simple and 'elf evident • proposition that
nobody could dissent from it. But, if what they were called
epos to discuss was to 'Arm that that bill was the best mode
of earning the object to which he had referred into effect,
he had very considerable doubts spa the abject. (Hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE observed that the best
mode of satisfying the house of what was the primly's af the
bill was by perm(( Ling his noble sad learned irismiteeloilla.
Lard CAMPBELL then mended to state the madams
el the bill in detail. It we. a seemare resrefely 51 the
=Aimportance to Ireland, and ia smosszolo be
llow, it was of as arbitrary aster*. N ad!
joie* it, except the lamentable sesiditisa of that fillealiffy.
The state of Irish leaded property wee sub dot. la -bp
oplaioa, unless seek a mum* as that alibi Met With Oa
approhatire of parliament, that melanshely essidilisa would
go ea from bad to wares, year after year, until, al*
stately ruin would overtake every elass in that coma-
try. Iy. t was meartained that a great portico of Ms
of Ireland would come within the operation of
propertydia That reliably arose from the improvidence of
- the • , of the land; bat

Tun Ph.ZACI Cot/wt.—By Sir J. WALMSLEY, from
London. prayinsr for an alteration in the business of the
Palace Coon, Westenincer.

Dynes ON Pares—By Mr. W. PATTEN, from manu-
facturers of paper in tl.e north of England, praying for the
abo!ition of excise duties on paper to the amount of 240,0001.
per annum, and complaining of vexatious regulations.
COUNTY Comm.—By Mr. BLEEPS, from Donetshire,
raying tor the extension of the powers of the county
'nouns.

PUNLIC HIALTH. (SCOTLAND) BILL.--My Mr. COWAN,
from a parochial board B linbargh, against this bill, sa
cumbrous and expansive ; Mr. J. B. SMITH from Dun-
famline, in favour of the bill.

MARRIAGIS BILL.—By Sir R. INOLIS, from a place is
Warwickshire; Mr. F. MAULE, from Oentral Assembly of
Scotland ; Mr. FULLER, from Cuckfield, Busies, against
the Marriages Bid.
Dtazcr TAXATION.—By Sir T. BIRCH, from a public
meeting in Liverpool, for a repeal of the customs and excise
&ties, and the substitution of a system of direct taxation.
Cuss or W. 8. O'Bittew.—By Mr. MAUNSELL, from
(as we understood) Mr. W. 8. O'Brien, setting forth that a
letter had been reed to him that sentence of death had been
commuted to transportation, and objecting to such commu-
tation.
TESTS IN UNIVIIRSMES.—By Mr. F. MAULE, from the
Orneral Assembly of Scotland, for a repsal of the tests In
Universities.
FINANCIAL RIPORM.—By CA. lE. TYNTS, from the in-
habitants of Bridgwater, in favour of financial reform.
FoRSION SUGAR AND THE SLATE TRADE—By Lord J.
RUSSELL, from the merchants of the Mauritius Associa-
tion in London, complaining of the great importation of
foreign sugar, and praying for restrictions thereon ; also for
the suppression of the slave trade.

BINBROOICE. &e . INCLOSURE BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved that the resort
from the committee on the Binbrooke St. Gabriel and Bin-
brooks St. Mary Irclosure (amendment and extension of
act, alteration of awards, settling of titles to lands, &c., and
defining perish boundaries) Bill be now considered ; that the
bill be recommitted to the form; r committee, with leave to
sit and proceed tomorrow, no, withstanding three clear days'
notice has not been given of the meeting of the committee.—
Agreed to.
HOLME RESERVOIRS, &c., BILL.
Mr. E. DENISON moved that it be an instruction is the
committee of selection to appoint the committee on the
Holme Reservoirs (increase of rates and amendment of act)
(No. 2) Bill, to meet noon Tnuredey next, or any subse-
quent day.
JUSTICES OF THE PEACE, Rte.
On the motion of Mr. BRE/MIDGE, an address was agreed
on for returns of the names and residences of all the sat-
ing justice of the! peace for counties, cities, and boroughs
in England and Wales, an 4 of the year in which each was
sworn in; also, of all the stioendiary magistrates in England
and Wales, with the dates of their apoinlments and salaries.

ACTIONS IN SUPERIOR COURTS.
Oa the motion of Mr. BXESIRIDOI, an address was agreed
on fee returns of the number of cases entered for trial in
London and Middlesex. in each year daring the last ten
yews+ it. the Courts of Queen's nett, Common Pleas, and
Bachequer, with the number of remsnets left at the alms of
each sitting in each court : also, of the number of causes
entered for trial at each &wises in every circuit, during the
lar ten years, and the number of remanets left at each
aria?.

mittee.
Their lordships adjourned at a quarter after 10 o'clock.

and Bisbrooke Belot Mary _
tension of sets, alteration of swords, willing titles to lands,
&a. sod defieing parish boundaries); Roureosibiei yaw°,
of Pesos Courts; Surrey and Suarez Roads (amendment at
act and alterationof toils) ; Weithead's Patent (for improve-
ments in 'manufacturing for into fabrics); Bills.
THIRD READINOS.—Wisboch. Chatter* Tid Gote,
and Donahoe' Bridge Turnpike (continuation of act, alto's-
tion of provisions relating to Tapir of Waldeney and South
Side banks, abandonment as to turnpike of road over same,
constrnatios 'tines turista* Toad/ ; Great Yarmouth Raven
Bridge and Navigation Improvement ; Bills.
PUBLIC BUSINESS
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
I TIONAL ARSITILATION TILEATIES.—By Sir C.
LEMON, from recount' ; Mr. HUTT, from Sunderland
and other plans; Mr. COBDEN, Unitarian Church,
Thorns, Yorkshire ; inhabitants of Hatherleigh, Devon :
Bapist conrregation, Lockwood, Yorkshire ; Baptist oon-
cregaiion,Wast-street, Rochdale; Independent amniotic's,
Eversden,Cambridgeshire; inttabitontsNewport,lals of Wight;
car congregation of Zion Baptist Cnspil, Merthyr Tydvii,
Olamarganshire ; Independent congregation, Rehoboth, pi.
Ash el Pembry. Carmarthen • Independeat congregations
inualithe Tiamb'ourP"Chah pslof ,PCitmefoubrlyeoed' CanaarCymthem:r;,
eh potni: ha° f f Yaynor county of Bream ; the Baptist
aeourepint
Church, Wellington, Shropshire; inhabitants of Solihull,
Warwick; the ehureb and congregation of the Baptist

ROUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAT, Jura 11.
The ilemeatas took the chair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
REPORTS CONSIDERED.Biahrook• Saint Gabriel
- Indoors (amendment and ex-

these who had been forMerly penman ;
it was mare probable that it areas fres defects in the law,
which led to the most lamentable coosegnenees. Is Erg.
laud money was lest upon the security of certain lands.
After execution of the mortgage deeds the proprietor re-
mained in pension, and is all respects he was in the same
situation, apparently, as if no debt had been incurred at
all. But in Ireland the made was to borrow motley upon
judgments. The stoney lender obtained from ths. borrower
what was called a manorial of judgment—which of itself
was not a security upon any specific property or land
lag to to the borrower, but Itche a lien covering the whale
extent of the property whthe borrower poeseseed. Be
one could tell who were the bona fide creditors to wham sp.
plicatiens were to be made to pay off iagainheasena owl Is
that manner way estates in belaad become irrelebrelkilf
involved sad lost to their proprietora Thep
Ryden of registration in Ireland, and be lips!
Ace each a principle established upon a proper feendatieta
in Ragland before long. It was, however, better to bays no
registration at all than a bad one. Instead of the deeds being
enrolled in Ireland, there was merely a memorial of them,
which ciousisted of the :names of the patties and some other
facts. It was a bad syn. m, and in many instances had led
to great bands. In Scotland the system of registration bad
produced the utmost benefit. The noble lord adverted in
detail to the rrovisions of the bill, and concluded by moving
its second reading.
Lord BB01:19 [JAM complimented his noble and learned
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NEW MEMBERS.
Sir D. DONDAS, for Sutherlwideoire, and Lord GuntIYSET,
for South Warwickshire, took the oaths and their seats for
those places respectively.
COAL MINE VENTILATION.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE brought in his bill for regulating
the ventilation of coal mines.
EXCLUSION OF STRANGERS.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL, on Thursday nest, to men that it
is in accordance with the dignity of the house and the spirit
of the constitution that the publishing of their proceedings
should be formally mogul. d, and that the standiog order
prohibiting the presence of strargen be forthwith abolished,
as unworthy, ob. dete, and absurd.
AUSTRIAN TROOPS IN ROMAN STATES.
Mr. MILES, lads day, to put a question to Lord Palmer-
ston, ting the Austrian occupation of the Roman
States.
THE PUBLIC BUSINESS.
Mr. DISRAELI, on Thursday next, to inquire as to the
pr"bable conduct of public business during the remainder of
the amino.
FRENCH INTERVENTION IN ROME.
Mr. HUME said, that sot observing the Foreign Secre-
tary in his place, but to whom be had given notice of his in
tendon to ask a gondola, he would pat that question to the
noble lord at the head of the government. It related to our
connexion with the French proceedingsag•inst Rime. It was
alleged publicly that we had concurred in all the proceed-
ings taken by the French against Rome, and as he thought
that those proceedings were most ohjrctionable (loud
vita of " hear ")—beina ourselves a government depending
on the will of the people as the French government was, he
had ()henna' with great regret that we were involved in the
speech of the President as having agreed to, and concurred
in, these proceedings. He, therefore, wished to know if o a
concurrence had been given, to what extent was it, in what
manner it was given, and in what way we were now con-
nected with them.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, that so far as he was concerned,
he hid not received any notice whatever of the boo. gentle-
man's intention to put this question. He certainly had not
read the message of the President in the way the hon.
gentleman understood it. As he read it, be understood it to
say, generally, that England and France had been on the
best terms during the traneactians that had t.kon place
within the last year, in reference to Rome. But with re-
gard to the expedition to Rome, he could say that we were
in no wet involved in it. (Cheers.) The French govern-
ment had asked our opinion as to the propriety of their
joining in the conference at Gaeta, end we said in reply that
we had no objection to the French government seedbed •
obliger to join in that eonference. With respect to the
expedition to Civita Vecchia, that was done upon the view
the French goverment took of their own interests, and we
were in no way committed by approilog of it. (Hear.)
Mr. HUMS proceeded to say it was mentioned spatially
is the message that the French policy was concurred in by
us, when he was interrupted by ones of rep,der
At a subsegunat period of the proceedi and when Load
Palmerston had taken his seat,
Mr. HUME said that, seeing the noble Secretary for
Foreign Affairs is his place, he begged to know whether he
had rightly understood him to say, on a former occasion,
that theXrench minister had communicated to him the in-
tention of the French government previous to the expedition
to Clefts Vecchia ; and, if so. whether that ConlosttniesstiOn
included the march of the French to HOMO ? He would
also be glad to know if the noble lord approved or disap-
proved of what happened subsequently to the expedition to
Civita Vecchia ?
Lord PALMERSTON said that the communication to
which he referred on the occasion alluded to did not relate
to sorbing further than the intention which the French
government had conceived in the end of November
or beginning of December last of sending an expedi-
Civil* Vecchia; but then was no mention

don to
of what ulterior proceedings that expedition might un-
dertake: and, speaking from recollection, he did not mann-
ber any particular communication respecting the sailing of
that expedition lately.
Mr. RUME—What answer ;II you give ? (Laughter.)
Lord PALMERSTON—The answer we gave was this—
that it was not for us to judge tor the French government,
but that in our opinion the difficulties which had arben
between the Pope and his subjects might be arranged by
diplomatic intervention, and that in our opinion that diplo.
matic intervention ought to have for is object en understand-
ing between vte Pope and his sublets'', by which the Pope,
returning to Rome, would secure to the Roman people those
oonstitudonal institutions which were granted last year, and
especially a practical and rest separation between the tem-
poral and spiritual authoritieeot Rome. (Cheers.)
Mr. HUME further inquired whether any intimation bad
been made to the noble lord of the intention of the French
government to go to Rem., or to attempt to take possession
of Rome ?
laird PALMERSTON—No such thing.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL asked whether the views of the
British government, as explained by the noble lord, were
quite consistent with the principles professed by them, of
not intermeddling in the affairs of foreign countries, and
whether the noble lord was aware of any want of sincerity en
the part of big holiness the Pope with regard to the giving
Inatitu•ions ? (Cries of " Or..er.")

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