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COMAIITTEES.-Poor Relief (Ireland); Harbour, Docks, and
Piers'Clatum;
REPORTo.-Commonal Inclose,'; )(mine Mutiny:
RETCHNS ORDERED.-On the motion of Mr. B. Connor, Ter
WINS a. to the number of quartaws of met an which duty um
charged, on I populates of Eland in 1700; of the numben of
quarters of malt and the Way dorm! thereon from the year lett to
I xl3 inciance ; of the amount of duty received be same period ; of
the number of beer shop licensed to sell beer to be drunk on the pro-
mimes for the .name period; and • return of the number of melee of
land lylft waste in the United Mondani at the protein time.
NOTICES OF MOTION.-Ficauutso to 110.1 lioeu.-Dr. BOW UN O,
on Friday nest. Mask whether any official intimation had been re.
mired of the discontinuance of the practice of thannng at Hang Kong.
Pcstic Wow, Ilaimesto.-Mr. Enos; on Fridey neat, to more
for certain returns connected with public worts to Ireland.
INDIAN COTTON.

Mr. BRIGHT postponed his motion for an inquiry into
the circumstances connected with the growth of cotton in

India until after tits raw, in satiamiesess et es intima-
tion he had received hem tie richt hon. gentleman the
President of the Board of Climtset

Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said that there were some papers
in 'mese of preparation which it would be necereary to have
when the motion was brought forward, and for that reason
he had asked the hon. gendetuan to postponv
INDIA.

Sir J. C. HOBROUSE (in reply to Mr. Ewart) said that
the subject of furlough regulations iv erecting both the mili-
tary and civil service in India wu under the consideration
of the Board of Control. It was, as his hon. friend knew,
a tarot important subject ; one in which no cluusge could

take plea without a lesidative eseetaaeot, sad cat whit& t
would be wow( to come is say conclusion a ithous the
gravest consideratioa.
INSPECTORS OF RAILWAYS.
. . .

Major LAYARD asked the Pint Commissioner of the
Railway Board why the office cf Inspector-General of Rail-
ways, so essential for the information and guidance of the
board, had not yet been filled up ? It was now five months
since Sir C. Paslej'a services were dispensed with, and the
responsibility now rested with the former assistant, without
any increase of salary.
Mr. STRUTT said that the duties of inspector-general
were now being moot satisfactorily performed by two gentle-
men who werc appointed in compliance with the act, and
termed " Inspectors of Railways." The question of salaries
.as under the consideration of the board.
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till April 13, his sootiest leave tobring Ina enable
retail brewersof thi, Midland cousin,: to keel,: open their
houses until twelve o'clock at eight, in the same manner
as the metropolitan retail brewers.
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHARITABLE TRUSTS.
Mr. ROM I LLY obtained ;nye to bring in a bill for the
better administration of charit:ble trusts fur the berictit of
her Majesty's Roman Catholie n bjects. The object of the
bill was to remora doubt which had arisen as to the
legality of charitable bequests to Ron.arr Catholics pri,r to • 'm
the Catholic Relief Act. It was further Letended enable • 'l,
all charitable bequests to Roman Catholic, to be enrolled in
the High Court of Chancery, in order that the Sr administra- •
Lion might be duly carried into Edict; and, in cases of
breaches of trust, to empower the Court of Clammy to
deal with them under the previsions of .12 Geo. 3.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL was not aware whether any requi-
sition had been made on the subject of this bill by an
large Andy of the Roman Catholics. The /abject with which
it dealt was one of great difficulty, and he should be glad to
know if the Roman Catholic dignitaries st the church in
England had been consulted as to the bringing in of • bill
whoa affectid their jurisdiction. If that was so, he would
support it, but if not, he trusted the hi a. ant learned mem-
ber would name a distant der for the emend reading, so that
there might bo an opportunity of consulting thaw right rev.
gentlemen.
TRADE WITH CHINA.
Viscount SANDON moved for • select committee on the
present state of oar soninereial relations with China. AA
there was so objection to the motion on the part of the
government he should not interpose at any length
between the proceeding with the Poor Relief Bill
for Ireland. Among his own constituents, as well
es other persons engaged in eeepaseree, there was
an impression that our now trade with China would be
limited and obstructed, unless there was a reduction of the
duty on tea, as that was the only retain to be obtaimed for
our manufactures. They would have to bring the question
of the redaction of the duties on tea before the home. but
he felt, that considering the peculiar circumstances of the
year, thin was not • fitting time to do se. It might, how-
ever, be advantageous to investigate our relations with China,
and to see if there was anything, independently of the duty
on tea, which obstructed and limited oar trade. All our
relations were recent and experimental, and the state et
things in that country was such as to render it necessary to
examine and ascertain the COMAS of the obstruction of oar
trade.

Mr. HASTIF was sorry the governmant had se easily
oonsentei to this motion. He was afraid it was a pretext
for another purpose, the reduction of the tea-du•y. It
would have berm better if the noble lord had come directly
to that object; and if he had done so, he (Hr. Hustle),
would have seconded the motion, but as it now ,food it was
so indt finite as to be likely to create tuspicion abd jealousy
in China. The motion was agreed to.
CASE OF CAPTAIN WYNN&

Mr. C. O'BRIEN moved for a select committee to inquire
into the conduct of Capt. Wynne during his employment in
the county of Clare, in November and December, 1846, and
January, 1847, as inspecting oflleer of the Board of Works,
and into the statements contained in his printed letters, and
those of Mr. S. Gamble, addressed to that board. and laid on
the table of the house, and the report, thereon; and also to
inquire into and report whether the said Board of Works
have, or have not, suppressed certain letters or reports made,
or alleged to have been made by Captain Wynne to them on
investigations held at Ennistimon on the )oth, and at Lia•
annoy on the 19th of December, 1846; and also certain
letters in the possession of the said bard connected with
those subjects. The hon. member complained of the unwil-
lingness shown to plint him the pairom he had moved for on
the 11th of February, and thought it a poor reward for 16
yearn' support of the present government. He complained of
the attark made r n him, his r olles.guc, and the relief commit-
tee of the county of Clare, in which he (Capt. Wynne) asserted
that thee, by their conduct, invited the arawainstien
of the dicer of the Board of Works. He (Mr. O'Brien)
maintained that the charges made by Captain Wynne
were calumnious, and should be inquired
and if the committee pronounced them to be well. founded,
he (Mr. O'Brien) would not remain five minutes in that
house. [The hon. gentleman then read the accusations in
question, which were contained in letter., of the respective
dates of December the Ist, fith, 10th, and 19th, 1846.
He asked for no favour; he simply asked:for common
jus-
tire; surf with that view Le should now move in the terms
nip ady st,u d.
Major M ACE AMARA neconded the motion.
Mr. LABUUCHF.ItE said ho much regretted that ti.e
honourable mover of this resolution had not acquiesced in
the suggestion he had made to him, to postpone the
motion for a few days, until the documents which
had been moved for by the honourable member,
and ordered be the house, were printed, and in
the hands of *honourable member., which would be on
the day after to-morrow. The doemments were now in the
courtse of printing, and when delivered would throw such a
light upon the whole of the transactions of which the hon.
member complained, as would enable the house to deal
justly with the question. He (Mr. Labouchere) had no
desire to estrange or alienate from the government the sup-
port of the hon. member and his colleague, hut, on an oc-
casion of thin kind, where the conduct of a public officer was
attacked—an officer whose general conduct entitled him to
the support of the government—he (Mr. Labouchere), for
one, should feel himself disgraced if he shrank from giving
him that support. He (Mr. Labouchere) bad no choice—
himself o net .ant of the crown—in a question of this nature:
he was 11Otilld to deft nd the honest services of those who
acted under him, it be believed that they had taithfully dis-
charged the dutire which devolved upon them. He tht re-
fore felt that he could not consent to alter the course which,
upon consideration, he had felt it his duty to pursue in this
matter. When the documents were before the bonne, he was
far from saying they would be so satisfactory as to induce the
house not to agree to an inquiry, hut he wou'd not be a
party to a motion which, in its terms, inculpated the conduct,
not only of Capt. Wynne and Mr. Gamble, but also the
board of works. Against Capt. Wynne no such prionSfincie
nip had been madeout to justify his being draped an a crimi-
nal before a select committee. Though Capt. Wynne might
not have acted with perfect discretion, yet it was the opinion
of the government that, under circumstances of great dif-
ficulty, and met as he had been with a most formidable op.
position, his conduct had been conspicuous for firmness and
integrity. (Hear, hear.) Since the matter had been last
discussed be (Mr. Labouchere) had seen ('apt. Wynne for
the first time. In reference to the ein the letter com-
plained of, Capt. Wynne deel he would not retract a
word of it, because he believed it to be a true description of
the state of things which existed; but he added that he
never meant to imply that there existed in the minds of the
hon. members for Clare a design to procure hie assassination.
Major MACE AMARA—Read the words.
Mr. LABOCC HERE wished the sentence had been dif-
ferently worded, but still some allowance oustht to he made
for excited feelings is times of difficulty. He would, how-
ever, read the words. The passage began thus " I and
the other officers a the board of works have strong rea-
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sons to complain of the conduct of the two members for the
county of Clare, who appear to come here for the purpose
of bolffing on up, one and all, to be assassinated "
Major MACNAMARA—Read on.
Mr. LABOUCHERE (continuing)—"The overseers and
stewards are, in consequence, not discharging their duties
awl the men at work are doing little or nothing, except whai
they please." He had read the words, and repeated the as
of Capt. Wynne, that although he retained the opi-
nion he expressed as to the conduct of the two hon. members
for Clare, at a time when the officers of the board of works
had hien made the objects of outrage and attack, yet he
never intended to impute to those two hon. members the
intention of having purposely excited the people to acts of
assassination. He (Mr. Labouehere) felt bound to say,
that, on the part of the relief committee of the county of
Clare, there had been gross neglect of duty • and in that
opinion he we* fortified by the statements furnished to the
government by Capt. FiAbourne, a most active and intelli-
gent public officer. With respect to the services of Capt.
Wynne, they had gained for him the highest testimonials
from the lieutenant of the county, Sir Lucius O'Brien, and
other magistrates. Under these circumstances, he could not
consent to the reference in its present terms, and he hoped
the hon. member would consent to withdraw his motion
until next week, when the papers relating to the motion
would have been delivered, and the house thereby enabled
to judge se to the best mode of having a full inquiry into
the whole circumstance. of the case.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN thought that the inquiry as
sought ought to be conceded. The right hon. gentleman
(Mr. Laboucheve) had every consideration ter the feelings of
Capt. Wynne, but none for the two members for Clare, who
had so long been under the heavy charge of having encou-
raged assat-ination. (Hear, hear.) Let the government
dictate the terms of the inquiry, but in justice to his two
hon. friends the investigation they invited ought not to be
refused.
Lord J. RUSSELL remarked that the government did
not refuse an inquiry. If the bon. member (Mr. C. O'Brien)
would frame his motion in such terms that they could not be
objected to, and then defer having the committee until the
papers alluded to were in the hands of hon. members, there
would be no objection on the part of the government to the
appointment of a committee.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS supported the original motion. The
production of the papers could not is the slightest degree do
away with the necessity of such an inquiry as that de-
manded by the two hcn. members whose characters had
been assailed.

•
Sir It. PEEL Paid it was clear that the government in-
truded to allow the appointment of a committee, and, there-
fore, the lea preliminary discussion that took place the
better would the committee be able to come to an unpreju•
diced consideration of the spatters referred to it. Would it
not be welt it the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Labouchere)
suggested such an alteration of the terms of the motion as
would cave another tlebste upon it ?
Mr. LABOCCHERE had not the lent objection to confer
with the hnn. member (Mr. C. O'Brien) in order to arrange
the terms of the reference in such a manner as not to cut
imputations upon a body of public officers. Between this
time and the next meeting of the house, he would be glad to
arrange these terms with the hon. member.
Mr. C. O'BRIEN objected to any further delay, and while
ready to em:eur in terms. said he mut Insist upon as lame•
diate wrong'. meat,

tinting, and when delivered would throw ouch •
the whole of the transactions of which the hon.
mplaincd, as would enable the home to deal
the question. He (Mr. Labouchere) had no
;mange or alienate from the government the sup-
hon. member and his colleague, but, on an oc-
lb kind, where the conduct of a public officer was
an officer whose general conduct entitled him to •
tof the government—he (Mr. Labouchere), for
I feel himself disgraced if he shrank from giving
ipport. He (Mr. Labouchere) had no choice—
.ant of the crown—in a question of this nature:
lid to clerical :he honeit services of those who
r him, it be believed that they had faithfully dia-
iluti.• which th•volved upon them. He the re-
st he mild not consent to alter the course which,
iteration, he had felt it hie duty to pursue in this
Ten the documents were before the boas., he was
ying they would be no oatisfactoryas to induce the
A/ agree to an inquiry, but Le wou'd not he a
motion which, in its terms, inculpated the conduct,
f Capt. Wynne and Mr. Gamble, but also the
rocks. Against Capt. Wynne no such prim4fseie
en madeout to justify his being dragged as a crimi-
a committee. Though Capt. Wynne might
ded with perfect discretion, yet at was the opinion
eminent that, under circumstances of great dir-
t met as he had been with a most formidable op.
is conduct had been conspicuous for &nines. and
(Hear, bear.) Since the matter had been last
se (Mr. Labouchere) had seen Capt. Wynne for
ne. In reference to the passage in the letter cora-
, Capt. Wynne declared he would not retract a
because he believed it to be a true deocription of
,f things which existed; but he added that he jl
it to imply that there existed in the minds of the
era for Clare a design to procure his asameination.
ACN AMARA—Read the words.
3011.7 C HERE wished the sentence had been gif-
ts:de& but still some allowance ought to be made
feelings is times of difficulty. He would, how.
the words. The passage began thus : "1 and
officers of the board of works have strong rea-
:plain of the conduct of the two members for the
Clare, who appear to come here for the purpose
us up, one and all, to be amassinated "
:ACNAMARA—Read on.
BOUCHERE (continuing)—"The overseen and
re, in consequence, not discharging their duties,
In at work are doing little or nothing, except what
t." He had read the words, and repeated the as•
Capt. Wynne, that although he retained the opi-
preesed as to the conduct of the two hon. members
at a time when the officers of the board of works
made the objects of outrage and attack, yet he
ided to impute to those two hon. members the
if having purposely excited the people to acts of
m. He (Mr. Labouchere) felt bound to soy,
e pan of the relief committee of the county of
geA
re had been groan neglect of duty • and in that
was fortified by the statements furnished to the
.t by Capt. Fichbnurne, a moot active and intolli.
e officer. With respect to the services of Capt.
ley had gained for him the highest testimonials
euteniust of the county, Sir Lucia. O'Brien, and
strati.. Under these circumstances, he could not
the reference in its present terms, and ha hoped
member would consent to withdraw his motion
week, when the papers relating to the motion
been delivered, and the house thereby enabled
s to the best mode of having a full inquiry into
circumstances of the case.
ITH O'BRIEN thought that the inquiry u
-ht to be conceded. The right hon. gentlemen
where) had every consideration for the feelings of
ne, but none for the two members for C 1.,,, who
r been under the heavy charge of having encon-
a.ination. (Hear, hear.) Let the government
terms of the inquiry, but in justice to hie two
Is the investigation they invited ought not to be
RUSSELL remarked that the government did
an inquiry. If the bon. member (Mr. C. O'Brien)
Se his motion in such terms that they could not be
r, and then defer having the committee until the
ded to were in the hands of hon. members, there
ao objection on the part of the government to the
;nt of a committee.
WILLIAMB supported the original motion. The
ot the papers could not is the slightest degree do
the necessity of such an inquiry as that de-
-7 the two hen. members whose characters had
led.
'EEL raid it was clear that the government in.
allow the appointment of a committee, and, there-
leas preliminary discussion that took place the
old the committee be able to come to an unpreju•
sideration of the matters referred to it. Would it
di it the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Labouchere)
such an alteration of the terms of the motion as
ve another debate upon it ?
kBOCICHERE had not the lend objection to confer
hon. member (Mr. C. O'Brien) in order to arrange
of the reference in such a manner as not to cast
cos upon a body of public officers. Between this
the next meeting of the house, he would be glad to
;hove terms with the hon. member.
O'BRIEN objected to any further delay, and while
emeur in terms, said he swot insist upon an i mine-
sag,. meat,

After a protracted ',animation, in which Mr. Slaw, Lord
J. Manners, Sir Oeo. Grey, Mr. Hume, Lord Castlereso,
and Mr. John O'Connell took part,
Sir R. PEEL suggested that the motion mig'it as well be
altered, so se at mute to be disposed ef. He would rug.
gest it should run thus "That a select committee be
appointed to inquire into the statements contained in the
letters of Captain Wynne and Mr. Gamble to the board of
works in reference to the county of Clare, and into any
eircunistancer connected therewith, which might app. $r to
the committee to be fit subject for investigation." (Hear.)
'Lord J. RUSSELL said that there would be no objection
to such a reference.
Mr. C. O'BRIEN then withdrew the original motion,
and
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN moved the adoption of the motion,
in the terms suggested by the right hon. baronet the mem-
ber for Tiunworth (Sir It. Peel).
The motion, having been seconded, was agreed to.
SUNDAY TRADING la THE METROPOLIS.
Mr. HINDLEY, without making any statement, moved
for a select committee to inquire into the practice of Sunday
trading in the metropolis.
Mr. HUME asked what were the objects of the proposed
inquiry. The house was already in possession of reports
which had resulted from previous inquiries on this subject ;
and he should like to know what new circumstances had oc.
cured to render another inquiry necessary. He should like
to hear something of the intention' of the hon. member be-
fore agreeing to the motion.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had already expressed a hope
that the house would agree without discussion to those mo-
tions to which there was no objection, and that no motion
would be brought on which was likely to lead to discussion.
He admitted that it was not satisfactory to appoint this com-
mittee without any reasons being given for it ; neither, on
the other hand, would it be satisfactory to him and many
other members of the house, to have a lung discussion, NM
they were anxious to go into committee on the Poor Relief
klreland) Bill. He must be allowed to say, he really did not
see any necessity for the motion at all.
Mr. HINDI:EY ultimately postponed his motion till
Tuesday next
SHIPPING OF DUBLIN.
Mr. W. COLLETT moved for some returns relative to
the vessels belonging to the city of Dublin and the General
bSteam Nangation Cy several hon. memben
ee °ppm, dto die motetion, it woe, after a short diretweion,
wirawn.
TREATMENT OF FEVER IN IRELAND.
Mr. LABOUCHERE moved for leave to bgla In a
to amend and continue an act of last session he
vision, until theist of September neat, for the trealMenr
poor persons afflicted with fever in Ireland. The
meet had thought it desirable, in the present ooei et
Ireland, and with the prospect that was before them an,
only to continue this set, but to make some alterations ia
the principal of which would be to transfer to the relief eons-
minces, constituted under an act now poising through the
house, the powers that were invested, by the Fever Act of
last session, in the poor law guardians. Experience bad
proved the necessity of a more summary mode of presseding
than the late act supplied ; the machinery of the relief OM'•
mittees was far mere perfect, and acted in a more powerful
manner. Another alteration would be to throw the exposes
of the lever cases on the general relief fund ; so that there
should be no doubt about the money being forthcoming far
this meet desirable object. Power would also be given to the
relief committees, soling under the board of relief in Dahlia,
to provide for the decent interment of those dying from epi-
demic dimes.. He woull suggest that the dianamion os the
bill should be postponed till the second reading.
Sir J. GRAHAM asked if it was intended woe GOY be
Wangler the management from the guardians to the rad
committee, but also to transfer the expence from the paw
rate to the relief-rate. Deo, a moiety of the cost would be.
ems a charge to the public.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said such a change was intended.
If it was justifiable to throw upon the general relief nand
rather than on the peor-rate, expenses of any description, no
could be more properly so thrown than that of cheek-
tW
e progress of pestilence and fever. All the provisions
of the bill were of a temporary character, extending from
the let of September to the end of the next session of parlia-
ment.
Mr. HUME said a very important prnciple was involved
in this bill,—that of throwing the expenses on a general fund.
Fever had always prevailed In Ireland at intervals ; but the
expenses had hitherto been defrayed out of the local funds.
He would suggest that the bill should be postponed.
Leave WY then given to bring in the bill.
RELIGIOUS WORSHIP IN WORKHOUSES.
Mr. .1. O'CONNELL asked whether it was the intention
of government to introduce, or moist the introduction of,
into the Irish Poor-law Bill, any provision to give additional
facilities in the workhouses for religious worship, and also
any provision for obviating the recurrence of disputes and
int?rferencts on religious matters.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that government had no inten-
tion of introducing any such clauses in the committee on
this bill ; but if any hon. member could show that the pre
sent provisions for religious worship in workhouses were in-
sufficient, they might consider whether clauses giving
greater facilities should not be introduced in the report on
the bill. It ens a subject well deserving of consideration;
for it was certainly most desirable that every poorible facility
should begio nfor the religions worship of all sects.