The Express.
London, England, 1847-11-30 00:00:00

energy with whieb the present Lord Lieutenant had
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se Imp far Imbed—se kegs lee wry improvement of her
seal condition—nal= they gave menrity to life and pro-
party. If they did that, they would lay the first ?leak acme
the abyss which ..,sated them from prosperity; if they
aii *Bll. they had pashias to look forward to but despair.
glisesea.)
Kr. R. M. FOX, as an Idis Maillord, declared his belief
that, except in am shuseipaim of mange, there was no
erantry in the maid mere fres from mime than Ireland.
The dale of the law between landlord and tenant was, in '
kis ("lake, the came of the particular sort of crime that
WS' asnueitted. He believed that, without a revision of
that gumption of tenant-right, they would never succeed in
doing away speedily with!the causes of agrarian outrage.
Lord BERNARD rose to take his share of the responsi-
bility which attached to those who urged upon the govern-
ment to press forward this measure, and who even declared
that they would have preferred measures of a more decided
character. He bore his testimony to the way in which Lord
Clarendon had acted in the performance of hie duty, and to
the great vigour he bad displayed in the administration of
the law. He could not help saying, however, that had the
Arms Acts of two motions ago been carried, they would not
now have had to sue to parliament for these measures.

Mr. P. SCROPE expressed his conviction that if the condi-
tion of the labouring population of Ireland remained much
longer what it had been during the past 20 or 30 years, the
condition of the English labouring population would be
brought down to much the same level, He did not conceive
that the proposed measure would have any valid effect, but,
as its provisions were far less harsh than those of the bills
which on former years he had opposed, he should not resist
its progress.

Sir R. PEEL said he should be unwilling to permit the
first night of the debate on this proposal of her Majesty's'
government to pass without taking that earliest opportuu%
of publicly declaring that it was his intention to give Ms
cordial support to that proposal of her Majesty's govern-
ment. (Cheers.) He could not mist the force of the ap-
peal which the right hon. gentleman had made to that
house. The right hon. gentleman had told them that beg
Majesty, in her speech from the throne, had recommended
them to take into consideration the state of Ireland, with
reference to the prevalence there of atrocious crimes, to die
impunity of the offenders,and to the inadequacy of the ordiem7
law to give protection to life and property. The right boa.
gentleman had rightly stated that the house, without eon-
mining itself to the details of any particular measure, by
a unanimous address to the throne, had conveyed an min
surance that it would take the subject into its unistedialls
consideration. The right honourable gentleman bed she
truly stated that the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland and be
Majesty's government at home, they who had the heavy re-
sponsibility of giving protection to the faithful subjects if
her Majesty in Ireland, considered the ordinary law to be
imperfect to this great end, under the existing circams
and therefore, on their responsibility, demanded add=
powers. The right bon. gentleman had fortified that state-
ment, resting it first solely on the authority of the gonna.
meat, by details of crime which could leave no doubt on the
mind of any man that it was the duty of parliament with-
out delay to attempt, at least to resist the progress of one isf
the most sanguinary tyrannies that ever disgraced a country
having any claim whatever to the appellation
. of cirffiasse
(Hear, hear.) He was sure that the right hon. gentleman
and his colleagues must feel that he could not mast the fosse
of their appeal, for it was precisely the same appeal that,
some years since, he had made, but in vain, to them. (Hen,
hear, and a laugh.) Let him not be misunderstood It wee
not his opinion at all that measures of this kind would opuses
as a remedy for the social evils of Ireland. (Hear, hear.) He
Poll y admitted the justice of the remark, that the measure
multi not be so regarded. It had been always with the
greatest reluctance that he had consented to propose or to
support such measures ; for he bad ever felt that they were
attended with the result of diminishing the public confidence
In the efficacy of the ordinary law ; and, consequently, of
paralysing to a great degree the operation of that ordinary
law. (Hear, hear.) But still, when he heard from the re-
sponsible advisers of government • statement, confirmed by
evidence, that there existed in Ireland a wide conspiracy for the
assassination, without regard to age, sex, property, or condi-
tion, of her Majesty's faithful and unoffeading subjects, he
regarded the fact of this evil as a public scandal, overcoming
all the minor objections which he might entertain to
the reception of the measure. Therefore be would say,
that, though he viewed the measure as no remedy for the
social evils of Ireland, yet he, for one, would not consent to
postpone its consideration, until other measures, which
might apply such a remedy, should be brought forward.
He would enter into no parley or negotiation with these
assassins. (Cheers.) It was the primary duty of the house,
if they wished to lay the foundation of permanent improve-
ment in Ireland, to secure the lives of her Majesty's faithful
and loyal subjects; they must first of all paralyse the arm of
the assassin. (Hear, hear.) This done, their duty to Ire-
land, as a part of the empire which should be se dear to them
as England—Ow, hear)—would necessitate their deliberate
consideration of permanent measures, alleviating and be
degrees removing the social evils of that country. It
was a matter, indeed, affecting our own direct in-
terest, for there was no evil in the social condition
of Ireland which did not produce its reaction upon the con-
dition of the people of this country, upon their property
and their happiness. (Hear, hear.) While, however, he
cordially advocated the earliest passible adoption of perma-
nent and remedial measures, be would caution the country
against the conception of an idea that these would ensure
any immediate effects from such measures. The power of no
legislation would be adequate to the immediate re-
moval of evils of such long duration. (Hear, hear.)
Take the measures which had generally been proposed; take
emigration—the object of that was to treader the surplus
rpopulation to some one of our colonies which required their
hour. If they addressed themselves to this subject, they
would at once see the difficulty of transferring any part of
the population of Ireland which should be sufficient to tell
on the state of society there to any colony without great ex-
pense and great inconvenience. f hen the improvement in
the relations of landlord and tenant. The hon. gentleman
who last spoke, and who had directed much of his attention
to that subject, had dwelt on the good effect of the tenant-
right as it existed in the province of Ulster. But there
might be other causes for the distinction between the state
of in the north as compared with the south of Ire-
bed betides tenant-right. Let not the hon. gentleman rush
le the conclusion that the introduction of the male uasge
lido the south with regard to tenure of land as existed an
Ihe north would at nee ye now the same condition
'effecedety in Munster as potreelled la Ulster. (Hear, hear.)
Another hon. gentians (the member for Rochdale), who
limialtiat an con* in dealing with his tenants, which
ether Ilmillseds wadi de well to follow (hear, hear), had
Wee mbeemed be ems principle. He (Sir R. Peel) id-
`said diabolism et that principle. He thought it right
when the Noma bad to hear, as in Ireland, expenses in pro-
viding the Detlithitty farm buildings, which he was not called
open to bear in England—he admitted that when the tenant
bad improved his property, he should have some guarantee
Retina the mere caprice of his landlord. (Hear, hear.) But
then it bad been contended that evening that the application
of the tenantright of Ulster would be no protection ; that
they must go further, and give to the tenant the right to
sell his occupancy without reference to the landlord. Such a
measure, so far from permanently improving the condition
of the tenant, would, be thought, merely purchase a tempo-
rary quiet for the space of some few months, on the part of
them only who would be immediately benefited by it, while it
would do more to shake confidence, diminish the stimulus
to improvement in both landlord and tenant, and lead to a
confiscation, and that without an object of the rights of the
landlord. Such a measure, he felt convinced, would be as
fatal to the well understood interests of the tenantry as of
ttec *rider Hie opinion was, that in *advert there
abe se dietinetion in our laws in respect le irnamee in
=a used Ireland. He, we edmitted the
reals
nima whe improved his land eughtsettiret
permed end compelled to forfeit what be bed bid eat b
inspronmenta at the mere caprice of the balked without
compeneadea, That principle was just to B,sriaea, anti*
those.** was pasUy coo to Ireland. But whoa they came
G aggig It gommft toWand, they found bey said sot
apron& it le Meows It without being met with difficathes
on every aide. Lan year it was generally easearred in, that
the principle which prevailed in Lincolnshire, and had then
been long establishad—that the right—which he did
not know if the law recognised, but which the
landlord then did—the right of the tenant to compensation
for unexhausted improvements made by his tapes his land,
was a just principle; but when the attempt was made to in-
troduce that principle throughout England, they were all
aware of the great difficulties with which the propesitite
was opposed. In the same way as to Ireland : to say that
tho tenant should have a right to recover as against his
landlord for every improvement made by him—though he
admitted the Justice of the principle speaking of bowl fide
improvements made by the tenant, and though he should
rejoice if it could be embodied in some act of parliament—
still he was aware of the difficulties of the subject—difficul-
ties which ought not to exist, but which should teach them
not to be too sanguine as to the result of any such measure.
So as to many other measures deeply connected with the social
state of Ireland, though he was fully aware of the importance
of the early consideration of those measure, by parliament,
he was not sanguine enough to hope—whatever permanent
good they might hope would result from them—that
such good effects could remit immediately. But on no ac-
count would he wait for the introduction of such measures
at the present time. He would take immediately the steps
necessary to pot a stop to the work of the assuun—to put
down the tenon of assuanation—he would eater into no
negotiation with than who were parties to that samisens,
tin, It was by no maim his intention, in giving his sup-
port to her Majesty's gone-meat, to refer to the bygone
events of 1848. It had beet mid that it wee dee to the late
government, berms ark a ammon was easereddly op-
posed by those now fa slime whoa beadiest by them, to
earn teen la owing be WL He wild swam hen.
gentleinen bat tbe but lopeadies bey ebb melte
to the iMe gemenineat Ins to per Ler, If they
thee& it neeassary. (Hear.) But he sledded as repose.
dab He spoke for himself, that so far from widiag Is mar
the peeing at this meseere resisted es a sort et triumph br
the has goversasat, he diedsimed ell emit tad empb He
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seadderation, sad WI web Myrna, sad wrnstibbe se slimly
enwerthy. (Here) 'Mee wen erne base. gentismsa who
esuldmed the preesat lwattte not esSelestly eldepat.
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shed& be 'beat final. lie did not wish to see • pegeke
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