The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-28 00:00:00

BRISTOL, Jim 27.

Broca-Excitsagos.—The riot* market remained bat,
but it beim tisket day time were but t ew traumata's.

YORK, June 27.

Brocl-Examarroa.-- Balm : Great Northers, 1011 ; Ditto
Pretense% 21. 12a., far rettlenrent in scrip ; North British Pref.,
21. 94. Id.; Yarn, Newen4le, and Berwick (Nowciatla istamaks),
14i; Ditto O. N. E. Purclase, 4{.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY, JUNE 27.
Ths Sraanan took the chair at 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
REPORT CON SI DE RE D. ',market, ire (Hut and West
line) and Glasgow and Snotts Turnpike Roads (amendment
of acts, ffie4 Bill.
THIRD READlNGS.—Lancaster and Preston Junction
Railway Acts Anieudieent (powers Shield,olls awl for ao-
pointment of °dicers); Manchester, and Liman-
shire Railway (consolidation and amendment of acts) ; Bill..
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
PROTICTION or WoXLM BILL.—By Mr. HAMILTON,
several petitions from Dublin ; Mr. MEATHCOAT, from
Tiverton ; Mr. S. CRAWFORD, several from Rochdale ;
Sir W. SOMERVILLE, from Surrey ; S,r T. BIRCH, from
Liverpool and other places : Mr. C. PEARSON, from Lam-
beth and other places ; Lord G. MANNERS, from Cam-
bridge ; Sir E. BUXTON, from places in Essex ; Mr.
STAFFORD, from planes in Boutkaroptonshire ; Mr.
SPOONER (22), from Warwickshire ; Mr. R. PALMER
(2), hom Berkshire—all in favour of this bill.
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DUBLIN RATES BILL.—By Mr. REYNOLDS, two peti-
tions from Dublin, what the Dublin Rates Bill.
ACCIDENTS IN Coutzatza.—By Sir G. GREY, from
t►e chairman of a public meeting held in Dayiley, praying
for the appointment of an inspector of collieries.
BANILKUPTCY, &c., BILE.—By Mr. CARDWELL, from
the bankers, &c., of Liverraol, in favour of the Bankrurcy
Bill, but praying for an alteration of the fraudulent traueer
of property clime.

DUBLIN RATES AND IMPROVEMENT BILLS.
On the motion of Mr. REYNOLDS, it was agreed that the
petition of the right hon. the Lord Mayor, aldermen, and
burgeons of Dublin, against the Collection of Rates (Dublit)
Bill, together with all other petitions, praying to be heard
against the said bill, be referred to the committee to which
the Dublin Improvement (No. 2) Bill stands relerretl.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE moved that the minut. s of the
evidence taken b. fore the respectivs et mmittt es which sat on
the Dublin Improvement Bills in the sessions of 1647 and
1848 ; and also the reparts of the surveying officers appointed
under the Preliminary Icquiries Act, together with the evi-
dence taken before them in relation to tne Dublin Improve-
ment Bills in the sessions of 1847 and 1848. be referred to
the committee on tee Dublin Improvement (No. 2) Bffi.—
Ordered.
Mr. REYNOLDS moved that Mr. W. Fagan, Mr. T.
Meagher, Mr. J. O'Connell, and Mr. Tennant, be added to
the select committee on the Dub:in Improvement (No. 2)
Bill. _ _ ' '•

Sir W. SOMERVILLE said he would oppose the motion,
as being contrary to the usual practice.
The motion, for want of a second, r, lull to the ground.

NEW WRIT.
On the motion of Mr. J.A. 631114 a new writ was ordered
for the election of a member for the city of London, in the
room of Baron Lionel Da Rothschild, who accepted the
Chiltera Hundreds.
IRISH SAVINGS BANES.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY gave notice that on going into ,
committee of supply, he wt old call the attention of the /lOW
to the state of the national debt, and ,more especially to the
state of the Irish savings banks.
POSTAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LONDON
AND DUBLIN. tr
Mr. GROGAN wished to know from the hon. genUemen
epposite (Mr. Hayter) whether it was true that by • recent
post office regulation, the express train which left L .ndon at
6 o'clock in the afternoon would carry letters only, and not
newspawn, to Dublin. The mail train, which left Leaden
at 10 o'clock in the forenoon, and whica carried litters and
newspapers, w as delayed at Cre we till the arrival of the 6 o'clock
estrus train, thus causing a delay of six hours in tee arrival
of intilligenee in Dublin. He should like to know why the
6 o'clock train was not to carry newspapers. It was well
known that the second editions of the morning papers con-
tained most important information, and it we. nut right that
the Irish public should be kepi in ignorance of that informa-
tion, when they could be put in possession of it by the trans-
mission of the newspapers by the 5 o'clock express train. lie
also wished to know whether an ewes mail would be de-
spatched to Glasgow and Edinburgh, and whether there
would be any objection to the production of the correspon-
dence between the Post office and Messrs. Smith.
Mr. HATTER said that previous to the late alteration •
mail train left London for Dublin at 10 o'clock in the fort-
noun and at 9 o'clock in the evening, both of %% filch took
letters and tea saiapers. Both of these were, in the strict
sense of the term, " mails." But as there was an express
train le giving London at 6 o'clock in the afternoon, it struck
the Po.taustex-General that letters might be sent by that
train so as to advise in Dublin next morning. It was thought
that an additional advantage would thus be given to the
people of Dublin. But the train which was despatched at 6
o'clock was not in the strict sense a snail, not being under the
authority of the post-office. The person who went with the
mail bag in that train was merely a passenger. The Post-
master-General was apprehensive that if newspapers as well
as letters were sent by that tr tin the weight would he to
great as to cause an objection on the part of the North-
Western Company, unless a considerable and, as the Pest-
master-Gentral thought, an unnecessary additional expense
were incurred. But the thing was merely a matter of exye-
riment as yet, and if after it had been tried a sufficient time
it was found that additional facilities could be given f,r
the transmission of newspapers it would be dons, hut a..
present the PestmastersOeural did not feel hims if at
liberty to incur any additional expense. With regard to the
other questions which the hoe. g. ntlemsn wked, he begged
to say that there was to be no afiernoon mail dispatch for
Glasgow and Edinburgh besides the present one, and that
there would be no objection to the production of the we-
reop3ndince between the Post-office and the Messrs.
Smith.

Mr. THORNELY asked whether any inquiry had been
made as to the expense of sending newspapers. If they were
paid for merely as ordinary parcels, he did not think the ex-
pense could be great.
Mr. H AYTER presumed that such an inquiry had been
made, and that the answer was nut so aatishictory as the hon.
gentleman wished.
SMALL DEBTS AMENDMENT BILL.
Oa the modest of the ATTORNIT-GENERAL, the Small
Debts Amendment Bill was introduced, and read a first
time.
PRISON DISCIPLINE.—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
On the motiox for resuming the adjourned debate on
prison discipline,
Mr. BROTHERTON begged to avail himself of that op-
portunity of stating to the house what be believed to he
the main cants of the increase of crime in this
country. A. great many systems for the reformation
of their criminals bad keen propounded, but still the
great problem remained to be solved, what was the
most effectual means of preventing crime ? All persons
admitted the connexion between ignorance and poverty and
crime. According to the returns which had been laid on
the table of that house there were 3,500,000 paupers in this
courery, and 200,000 criminals; that was to may, 1 in every
7or 8 of the p-pulation was a pauper, and 1 in every 133
was a criminal. There must be some cause for this. There
were 2,000,0001. expended in the punishment of crime, but
they made very ft w effort* fa the prevention of crime. They
required more cells for their criminals, more workhouses for
their paupers, and more asylums for their lunatics. But all
the reports which had been made on this subject concurred
in stating that two.thirds of the poverty and nine-tenths of
the crime of this country arose from drunkenness. In 1848
the amount of the tax on spirits, wine, tobacco, and malt,
was 10,000,000/. Here, therefore, was the great genres of
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all their misery.
Sir H. HALFORD said, that having taken great interest
in this subject, he begged to state a few facts which came
under his own knowledge. Prior to 1844 great alarm existed
in his coon yat the increase of crime. It was then pro.
posed to built a prison on the separate system and he was
happy to say that since that period a great decrease had
taken place in the number of prisoners. The prison was
built at a cos; of 32.0001., and was intended to accommodate
274 ini•oners, hut there were 100 cells nearly empty, (Hear,
hear.) The hon. member for Lambeth proposed a system
which, he said, would be curative, reformatory, and self-
supporting. Now, he b lieved that the separate system was
curative ; and the best proof of that was to be found
is the tact, that the number of prisoners had di-
minished wherever the separate system was established.
The honourable member concluded by moving as an
amendment, "That a select committee be appointed to
inquire into the system of prison discipline at present applied
to prierucn under confinement in England and Wales.'
Mr. FREWEN admitted that the separate system was a
great improvement on the old system. In the counties of
Kent and Sussex there were many prisons in which altera-
tion in this respect was absolutely necessary, and he should
most readily support a motion for inquiry.
Mr. SIDNEY did not think the hon. member who had'
introduced this subject would ever sueceeed in his object. I
His plan was very speculative, but he ought to have a full
opportunity of propounding it.
Lord MAHON thought that great credit was due to the
right hon. gentlemen (Sir G. Grey) for the improvements
which had been recently effected, and that by prison inspec-
tion and the frequent returns made to that house the greatest
security was afforded for continued improvements. (Hear,
hear.) In many counties there were grounds of complaint
with regard to the cost at which prisons had been erected.
If they desir, d to classify prisoners, gaols could not be con-
structed for that purpose without additional expense. (Hear,
hear.) It was not ea yto deal at once and effectually
with the various questions to be considered. He would sug-
gest to the right hon. gentleman (Sir G Grey) to consider
whether the prison returns were not sometime. needlessly
voluminous. As an example of needless v•dnminonsueu he
wnu'd mention that in the report from Kingston-upon-
Hull, in 1840, it was stated that the prisoners, in spite of
every precaution, carried on correspond, nee with their
friends out of doors. The plan of the hon. member for Lambeth
would, he thought, be attended in practice with many diffi-
culties. He, for one, could oot support the motion ; and if
the hon. member called for a division, be should feel it his
duty to vote spinet it. He thought the inquiry proposed by
the hon. m. robe, for Leicester might be useful; but at this
period of the session it was not desirable to enter upon it.
(Hear, hear.) The best course would he for the hon. member
to hie amendment, and renew it in the next
Mr. B. DENISON said that a report with regard to the
West Riding of Yorkshire showed .hat the separate system
had produced a goal effect as regarded the behaviour
of the prisontra. The number of punishments for
breaches of prison rules was, in 1843, 3,7.54 ; ia
1844, 2,607 ; in 1845, 2,001 ' • in 1846, 1.548; in 1847,
370 ; in 1848, 267. With such facts before him, be thought
lb, boa. mambos for Lambeth must have some difficulty la