The Express.
London, England, 1851-06-06 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 6, 1851

was his opinion, and that waS the objeetof the. bill which
he now left in the hands of the house to deal srith as they
pleased.
Mr. STUART said he was in favour of the fullest inquiry
into the prayer of the petition against Hr. 3111, hut he ob-
jected to the dangerous principle invol'usd in the hill. and
would divide the house upon ereea leas the hen. member
agreed to the amendments proposed by hi, how. friend (Mr.
Bmkes).
Mr. O. BATHES said no case had been made out to
justify them in supposing that the other house would sanc-
tion the bill for instituting this inquiry. He went with the
bill so far ari it proceeded to form a measure which the
Lords would be likely to pus. He was anxious for • full
and effective inquiry, and be suggested that the firs mem-
bkrs who had formed the committee should be clothed with
powers to carry out the inquiry they had commenced.
It should be remembered that there was already •
means by which the investigation might be continued, if
the committee thought it desirable, without affecting the
seat of the sitting member—vie., that which was provided
by Lord John Russell's Act, he 3 & 6 Vie., cap. 102 ;
though, with regard to the sitting member, it should not
be forgotten that there had been such things as orders of
the house, directing legal proceedings to be taken in eases
where there was reason to suppose that bribery had taken
place, but in such • way as not to affect the seat of the
sitting member. He had framed his amendment in accor-
dance with that act and with the view of giving to the com-
mission (which he suggested should consist of the members
of the committee) stringent powers, in order that they
might examine all parties, and thus get at the rich, who
were implicated, as well as the poor. From the report
he had moved for, and which had been made
by the officer of the house, it appeared that some
cot the witnesses who had absconded were in Boulogne and
others in Faris, bat as there were already complaints of de-
ficiency in the remittances, it was to be presumed that they
would soon return, and then they might be examined. lie
should at a subsequent stage propose to recommit the bill,
in order to introduce the amendments of which be hail given
notice. For the peseent he hoped it would be allowed to go
through committee proforma, to be brought on again after
Whitsuntide, at • time that would afford an opportunity for
cull discustiott,

After a brief conversation,
Mr. J. STUART intimated that he would take a division
on his motion WI against the principle of the bill.
The house accordingly dic ided.
Fee Mr. Stuart's mod= lO
Utmost it 54-44
The bill then went through committee pro forma, and
was ordered to be recommitted on Thursday neat, after
which the house rose till fire o'clock.
The siting was resumed at • quarter before five o'clock.
C 03131 ISSION.—ROYAL ASSENT.
The Usher of the Black Rod (Sir A. Clifford) entered the
house and summoned it to attend the House of Peers to
witness the
for
of the royal assent by commission to
several billse which we Lords' report].
METROPOLIS WATER BILL.
Sir 0. GREY moved the mend reading of this bill.
Mr. B. COCHRANE km* presented a petition against
it from the Mettspidlien finaitary Association, proceeded
to my that he "pus& the lemon bemuse the whole his-
tory ef the water empasim fifths ntekspelle was a history of
mowspeij, carried ea tor •Irog soda of years in spite of
ivory ,rt on the part of the pubMe tehriss it to a ter-
sthostien, and bemuse that sesospely would be con-
firmed end ed by the Wil wow before the home.
So far &In dfmisiabiog the rates the salt of this erase me
would be took wend hundred thenssemi owe per mama
into the pool die prams ampsnies, The grew in-
come of the senvskes was 43INSOL The invessee were
176,0001. ; kaki balsams cif 266,11101. At per cent.
this moat. repressnted a capital of 4410,3004. By the
provident ef the present measure there weebl be • surplus
of 449,0001., ispeessabng a capital eIt9,OOOBOIL (The hon.
member soppmisd this proposidea by referents to various
statistics, bast in se Indistinct a teas WS we ems unable to
catch whet he WA] He would sow romeke the WE itself.
He did net know what the gmeranmat moist in
saying that they gave by this bill the atemsgement of the
water supply of the metropolis leis new hands. This bill
did, in point ef hot, neither moth sow lingthan this; it
confirmed the power of the oil impedes, Vii, at the
same time, it removed from them the V, and
effectually prevented all future mospetiligo. The pskiable
recited the complaint, against the nine aid sesacksies ; but
by the second clause it was proposed be give fell power to
these companies under another fors; sad by the 24th
clause it was proposed to give to the company the power of
cutting off the sapply in all cams when there was not obe-
dience to the 4mkere, whit they wen themselves to mak.
Such a clause se this never add be permitted to pea
the House of Commess. The km. gentleman went on, being
throughout very impethetlyhsard, to refer to the preempts,
of • new water company. 11M company proposed to
London adequately with water at • cost not to ei'M
2,000,0001., that being the err tamed in the first clangs of
the bill, which the companies re to have powers to bin
row. This would be at the este of ld. a hots. per week ; sod
if they added ankker id. a week as the cost of the ekapenes-
mom, they get • html met only of 4,000,000/. He sow=
what bad flees aid causpemies done that the haw
go oat of ils wag le seeder them advantages en them ? He
thought he hadreltown that irtna the begkaing these aid
companies bed generally =led in • wawa sod apes
system that was grasping, ems% end anekistm--staithendy
DO to ebmv all who bed bed the minegencent ef them
with a &erecter for inkmendq. Ts piss tide ass-
sure, whist' was • measure be Amur eif diem awe
r knits, wield be discreditable to the Reek of Censers.
la esminsisa, the honourable radioman moved the
anaesehmest sf which he had given sonse—.. That it is the
*nice of tan bowie, that no bill for the supply of water
i to the sagempslie shall he proceeded with, unless the works
required forms improved and complete supply of water to
• the aetrepersehaU be put up for competition as to the
terms es width they shall be executed and maintained,
upon a comical:it for • term of years, on a general rate."
r Sir B. HALL regretted that the opposition to the bill
had bees pat in this shape. He would greatly have pre-
hired to see • division upon the plain proposition, of which
the Ines. member for Deatmenth (Mr. Moffat) had given
moths. He did act underenmed the amendment of the bon.

gentleman eppeeite.
Mr. B. COCHRANE awlereasod that it was the wish of
the bean tbat hie aiweadmeat &saki aat be put, sad he
the withdraw

Mr. Did?TAT then wed the asassismat of which he
had gives notke—" that the bill be reed a newel time that
day six mesths." The hon. gentleman said that he be-
lieved it was sow admitted °a all hawk that the premat
supply of water to the essemmelis was &Arnim is qua-
lity, Minder in glastitkaat mil tee engewsive. All
these pekes hodbees ethithished by the d
the Dead of Health. It boas made y dew
that ea adminthe and props pla of eould be Amnia/id
at we MN se at , le. then me mot the present
imisimets /ways: . unkimme se thk
of the ma m N misled he the tau the while
a at the penal valsether=
Ws meeetion was the remelt of menbirdes, as of amps.
tidos ; eel would be mastheads onasike. It propose to
As span the inhabitants of Loam a permanctit tax, Lager
this they at preemepaid, without esendem them he that
miew y
amy imemoer baker ampl. then me te be
a hide asp* it wouldsot to at the met If
ef the mettespelle,
Meekest power Mks glees is the bill to issuers the este.
/* B. HALL as imilatisa la lapin that thew was
but eme desks emingst the itesbe represented,
itheltkimg a kegs meths ef the ki, with tempest to
this bili—diet k desehl set be with. It would
=the pramt misem4thedely he the beset of
I 'Obese is the impales There should
either be slang sompedelen, hod always reduced
mem se the oestmel of the water supply should be in the
broth of the maggsyss thimelves.
M. W. WILLIAMS slid, no memos he the removal of
• patrol desmphint could be mese diketionable
ties this white ought to be eatided• bill Its establish-
lag a begs wester the patronage of the goverment. No
aweeere for improving tlw supply of water could be sade-
hatory nukes the management was given to the nee.

toyer.
GREY said be bad before adsitheil list the
supply of water in the aselespolis was aids st sled
etpettaive • that smoothies was a sound IMAM, and
that the eMateel rids supply shed* be Mdiad, it pub*
la the beetle et the ; bet
trial and kited. sod dramersturess posu wow
des sloths of the representative eseabbary la Laden
whisk dill net Met in provincial tome. The pis*, et
this bill was N sabetitute fair Merest bawds sf manes-
meat, inapsible and nassehrelbd.ONll sanitised ammo-
meat, mile smelts restriction sad 'Wed M the .sated
of padiersala sad pro mat Ills &up Mrs Mend
Use a osseeellielbsom et the onevilese ef the bill, replying
to eigessime, =lag emadve asked the Uses to assent
to the 111111.11 d an osier thee the bill might be re-
ferrighedt be_thissersPly s to • Meet esesinittes, where, the whsle albs lNdb
mifted.
Ilk 3. ea badge the water smomise,
eigested le the
lega madl Nat
Ingslay druid passim ietatioe ; that • semmilleubsuld
be sposlated le smirks all ateliers osmosis& Milt the
waft amply of Loam
Kr. MOWATT shemly opposed the bilk •Weelim to its
a, u well se to its sesesteses 11111•11111, sat he ez-
the provisions of a bill be bed istraiseed, the mein
of which were that it peposel to divide the mu-
tregelb iato 17 districts, whit k Inaba IMMO /OW oseasis-
siossee. who, with font -mensal by the .leper sties of
larks mil bur by the gsresement, shield seselitste a
ememistes, with power to amiente es euentive OM-
solias,ast esseediag its, far eserybeg into easel the pee-
vish= at the act, sad to provide Inds for emsmeting
• esealisery sad plant, by rates sot szooseiso IA In
the. poem gm Meath FolivriY.
After • kw Male km Sir G.
Gass sad lir. lA-
BOVONERII,
Ilk W. CLAY delleaded the emkost et the miss ma-
Eto had, on the est bead, simpilsassit lower rates
were entitled te @huge, sal, as Its ether, had
sums isimareemst et supply
a wale =they were air se bpi elblipais Nei
le m-
ond. Ile esstmerted widens skeessals Ilis B. Htl
awl lir. Mussel I be behead that the am "
hag as wombs as simile& Is water ass* =ram
new, envy wear ego* mast be a segazelytuts= with
newt Iv this 1111, le Essadieesi it the solo-
=blast Isricedhialbstewertaia gin
Ns
sse wales,
111i17211/11111 liebLegilerlibillibet it maid hue bees
rct, whim thy deleswissi to Isighile apes
this bsi mit Ilse lesielw, es as Is bass less
ebb to la • NI voila MI Bel ~sale. Is be Ilited
We des. • sibs& semlllsa. Me width sliht bays
boa ads et SON by lb lama. Ns missed wow
what Wadi Ye the whole Wiest, is ceder No
runes alit wisrlsillswessel Is this " se sP~ ises•

f eve, the rejection of which, he said, would not really delay
efficient of water, to the metropolis.-ffitt. WAII. oP the bill, which banielsed no m-
ica evil, boat delivered the metropolis into
parties bpdan wham so many complete%
rirbeis • lAgirrly int, a monster
asesesseig.-I'he SW sot In principle and
=ant lacapable esecenplisOng whet the public
Sir D. EVANS likewise opposed the bill.
The house then divided—
For the second reading
For the ameadment
The bill was then read a second time.
MR. ERNEST JONES.
'Lord D. STUART gave notice that, ea the 24th of
Jean, he would move for a select committee to inviable.,
MO are of Mr. Ernest Jones.
ADULTERATION OF COFFEE.
Mr. t BARING presented two petitions front mercems
tile firms and coffee dealers in London, complaining of the
adulteration of coffee. A similar petition was presented by
Mr. CARDWELL from Liverpool.
Mr. T. BARING then rose to more the following reso-
lution, " That it le the egire of this house that the dame
eons of the Lords Otele erlwe s of her Mieesty's Tressuey
to the officers et the excise. simtified by orders et
the 6th and 26th a Amen 1840—namely, ' That as
objection be made ER the port of the revenue to dealers in
and sellers of codes skip cthory with eoffee,' us op-
posed to the odes segektions in force regarding other
articles of ermearifilan, have encouraged very much the
practice of 6sßi, mid ought, therefore, to be revoked."
It would met he neamery for him at that hour of the night
to tremor it mar length on the time of the hose, as the
whirled beta already discussed in that house, odes the
Nerdy he perina was so simple and obvious. But as the
errs sd segirdens of the right hon. gentlemen, the
MEMO" aft Ireber sr, did not appear to be satire.
try, B Meer, there necessary to bring the object
WWlwt SORIRIEWEIER. and as it was one of great be.
perosser, bar to re emonseen st and the dealers in
sells, it ear liseght - Het this should
be der by EMS Who was blierf interested in the trade.
It mould est le memory for him to refer to the different
eladoies Erring to the sale and adulteration of coffee. Bat
M might erre, that by the 41st and 43rd of Gee. 111..
mad the Sr deo. IV., the adulteration of oar was pr
bltftell, sRI lbs parties who sold adulterated eser INOS
set/sera to redden By the 7th and Bth of Chin IV. ell
=terrs to this matter were prevented Meleie
am irlhaeld by order of the Commissioners of
Vita.
mere woes ore object to the Lords of re
. _ UN the Commissioners of Elan pme.
emir ogre peers who had mixed chicory with team;
bat a lusty err et the same year was issued, in whisk
the Osombieners of Excise were told not to interfere with
the sale stehisory powder if unmixed, but that if arty deal-
ers ahead eel coffee mixed with any other ingredients,
they sirs* era the consequences. Matters remained so
till A when another it essay minute was issued
to theOorrlllleßrs et Excise, altering the previous order
eo as to 'Borate okture of chicory with coffee, and in con-
formity with Ole minute the Commissioners of Excise',
issued • greal era to the excise officers, telling
them that r riestlea was to be made in future
to the asto et Nile mined with chicory. Thus, then, the
law romieellhe one with segard to the prevention of the '
sale at ads mined with &leery, but its operation was sus-
=ley the Isseoney minutes to which be had referred.
)>M did est think that any denial would be
attempled of the Ant part of his resolution, namely, that
the arm sogaleti with regard to coffee, were opposed
to the espreilsas in force ft-meeting other articles of con-1
semptireadiastea, sugar, pepper, and tobacco. The dealers
is oaths eases were authorised to sell under the name
ot cede whit was not coffee. Now, he contended this wee
a fraud en de almoner, which could not be justified. The
next part ems fisaistion was that the Treasury minute
gave essemegimeet to the practice of this fraud. The
ifs of the adulteration of coffee was so notorious that he
raid net go into any details to prove it. Now the real
question was whether, on the one hand, this adulteration of
coffee by chicory was called for ; and if not called for, could
it be prevented)? At the time when this admixture was pre-
vented the price of coffee was 110 s. per cwt. without duty,
and it was now only 38s. ; the price of tea previous to tie
China war was 3e. alb, without the duty, and it was now only
le. There was therefore far less reason now than formerly for
the permission of the adulteration. But he did not think
that they should allow anything like deception even though
it were considered a relief to the consumer to allow the
adulteration, and though no loss should accrue to the ex-
chequer. (Hear, hear.) But there were other circum-
stances which might have intluenced the Treasury in making
an exception in the case of coffee. Now, he contended
that these circumstances had wholly changed. It was re-
markable that whilst the consumption of all other articles
had increased the consumption of coffee had decreased, not-
withstanding the increase of temperance habits among the
people. He did not know what to attribute this decrease
in the consumption of coffee to, except to the practice
of mixing other ingredients in it. (Hear, hear.)
It was evident that the excise commissioners had read the
treasury minute as an order not to prosecute for the adul-
teration of coffee. From a return which ho had obtained,
it appeared that since 1840 there had been no such prosecu-
tion, and he could not understand why such a distinction
should he drawn in favour of the unscrupulous seller of
coffee. At first chicory was the chief ingredient, and was
of foreign production ; now the whole system was changed;
not only was chicory grown at homy, but it was mixed with
acorns, peas, beans, and even mahogany sawdust and tan,'
and every day brought out some new invention to enable
the dealer to sell less coffee and more of an adulterated sub-
stance. In this state of things every one must admit that if
fraud could be prevented, it was the duty of the government'
to prevent it. (Hear, hear.) He knew it had been stated
that when the coffee-dealers were asked many years ago if
they could suggest any regulations which would prevent
all fraud they said they could not ; but surely that was no
reason why the government should sanction and legalise
fraud by declaring in effect that no prosecution should take
plate. The effect of passing his (Mr. T. Baring's) resolu-
tion would be that every grocer might stall sell both coffee
and chicory, but that he must sell each under its own
wee, and sell it separately. (Hear, hear.) Now that
would be an honest course ; it would be • course which
would neither demoralise the trader nor injure the con-
moor. (Hear, hear.) There were grocers who said
that for years after the treasury minute was
passed they would not practise deception, but that
they were ultimately forced to do so by competition, and
these persons themselves asked for excise interference, in
order that they might not be compelled to continue selling
for Is. per lb. a deleterious article which was not worth
more than 4d. Now, what were the objections to the course
which he proposed? His right hon. friend the Chancellor
of the Exchequer said it would compel him to employ an
army of excise elloses. There was no grocer who was not
subject to exciassu with respect to tea and to-
bacco, and this of the minute would not require
an increased warberst rs. The honest dealer would still
be able to sell chicory separately from coffee, and those who
were opposed to the regulating would be induced to conform
by the fear eta prosecution It might be said that there
were me pallekmen from 03WWWWITS. The consumers ge-
nerally woo net per who wore lately to present pe-
titions. It was the
.poora dares drily who bought the
article green& and in small quantities ; mid they were not
likely to complain even if they felt aggrieved sad they
knew how to proceed. As to the argument that the am
seers bed the remedy in their own hands because they
night rear and grind their own coffee, it should be re-
membered Met sem was opposed to the habits of the greet
ems eseeneree, who lived, as it were, from hand to
edited net facilities for roasting and grinding coffee.
It be stinted that his resolution would Warier
with errors of chicory. He did not propose to
an=new excise regulation or to tax chicory. If his
wen posed there would still be the sane facili-
ties as now for the cultivation of chicory and for the sale of
it under its own name. All that he wished to prevent was
the fraudulent sale of the article. One of the most fearful
features in the operation of the Treasury minute was the
number of dealers who were still in favour of maintaining
deception. (Hear, hear.) He believed that no man could
separate in his own mind a fraudulent mixture
in coffee from a fraudulent mixture in any
other article ; and the result of the Chancellor
of the Exchequer's sanctioning the fraudulent adulteration
of coffee would be to leatrelealen in tea, pepper, and other
articles to think that the offence consisted, not in the frau-
dulent admixture, but in the being discovered. (Hear,
hear.) He had not touched upon the re 'ante because the
Chancellor of the Exchequer was its proper guardian ; bat
he mast say it was a serious fact that there was a
drifted= nrenaue on an article which was said to be
a tat of property, and ho could not understand the
georeammt amtinuing to sanction an adulteration
which was delleimental to the revenue, demoralising to the
Beier ari *deaf to the consumer, while at the same
dr the adinhooarel article was sold under the name and
at the privet esithe. Neither had he touched on the sani-
M rerima;bea", thi:t was clarritstrrnteteil ainnaltoYeseeshawthich
was
meld as mese which were most injurious to consumers.
Sir I. TROLLOPE seconded the resolution. He said be
wished to say a word in favour of the grower of chicory.
Me could show that the growers of chicory were not the
artterators on the contrary, he believed that the growers
of Mali were by no means the persons who contri-
buted towards the adulteration of coffee.
Lod IL VANE said the hon. gentleman who had just
ogre bed entirely misunderstood the question under the
serkeaden a the house. He hoped hon. members would
Mho Oa mean of the hon. mover.
Re CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
be was est at ell aware that he oder/toed the ogeosiela
One boa. mover. It was very remarkable that se keg as
Slimy ythen was me ray against it upon said-
Mpai hr the WE twenty or thirty yeas
ria tweed en the oratimont, aad nethisp
bad bra said about its nnwholereasers. It bed beta
=sued I. this country, and seeing bed bra bra
vinwhstrommeas. the army re mie•
re et ahem and albs donneOnd a 0. mm 6161...
beery rem ribs are. It hail Ira herd by
mpairee OM it was utterly imporilde to pow
wet the arktere of the two artier, and Ile
Neer et
later
=aths Trimly minute Val thie—dist
lbs did net dirk it worth willej e .
de:l=ft mires of miles with chiefly. Ife serer
rset Ho righted dirt that the sessumillis et
ler beta hamonesi lry the adrairease.A.u......_ed GYM
ibs lea pawns serer that se
sr Irma pros Pier to UM Bad be areir et a
bush weirs are per sr. la whisk ft re
diary pored* magyar, we purr era
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dekteriiluszolxttere whatever, le 611111.11111 alll4 all duty of
the t to interfere in any mg beisetEle die con-
' ease. the seller. He hoped hes. isin egad not
I sma away with the idea that all the iliallea areas
too the Treasury minute
..itil 'der
ann.dtheth:xtci: -di:: en-
atte1..121,...".... who had chicory and coffee mixed.
lbseh • weemillesilil mail be obvious, would be productive
aryls psalm* sematillt Sid trouble ; and he believed that
Welds pespaddiu were carried, the mutt would be that
*Nip mosti be inundated with petitions and lemon-
=the unjustifiable interference of the Excise.
received • petition on this subject signed
gawks, protesting against any interference, and
was not a imp town in England from which
hear memorials hes task persons had not reached him.
Eit amen./ klallather such petitions, both has
awl isethmk, b0rk3,682 signatures. There might,
s bend In seals sues ; but he was fully convinced
that in nine cues out of ten the parties buying knew per-
fectly well that what they were buying was not pure coffee.
11. could not disbelieve all the evidence which was
airs him, and that evidence had compelled the
emmiimion that among the labouring classes gene-
;Lt. admixture of the coffee was very much
to the pure coffee ; and that, in fact, the use of
esilbs lai been greatly promoted by this mixture. The
hsa ha admitted that there was not a single
sa tie part of the consumer. Every complaint
to him on behalf of those consumers who were alleged
to gaffer from this injury had proceeded from the party
who odd the coffee. A deputation from the grocers of
Hi MI assured him that not a voice bad been
raised against this system except by the parties
whose interests were adverse to it, and the same
deputation had represented that were .any restrictions
to be imposed, they would prove an injustice to the culti-
vator, to the tradesman, and to the great bulk of the
labouring classes. In another instance, in a large manu-
festering town, it was reported to him that 13 out of 15
=Bpreferred the mixed coffee—the mixture being
0! third to a fourth. (Laughter.) He did not say
amas this would suit the palates of hon. members in that
home, but the facts were as he had stated. lie had heard
of is an where a tradesman had exhausted his stock of
shimmf and was massquently obliged to sell pare coffee,
sal Ede Mammas stated that the complaint. and the
Mum en his hands from his offended and dis-
enstomers lasted more than a month. (Great
rpooltitersta.) A le
ted ttte, raswhlich he
ong ashadchireceived fkora
cory could beLive
ob-
tained, even if u high in price as coffee, it would continue
to be mixed with coffee. A letter which he had received
from Cork stated that, if the Chancellor of the Exchequer
prohibited the mixture of chicory with coffee the result
would be that hereafter only 10 tags of collie would be
sold for every 100 bags sold at present. In fact, it was his
conviction that, if they could not get the mixture, hundreds
et persons would prefer pure chicory to Ceylon coffee.
(Great laughter.) These proofs, furnished by parties who
were the best judges because they were the largest sellers,
must convince the house as to the general feeling in the
country. It did so happen that if there was • case et
this kind in which the public could protect itself it was is
this case of coffee. There might be, and were, difficulties
in preventing the adulteration of tea, and of sugar, and of
such similar articles; but any one could, at a mo-
ment, detect the adulterations in coffee. Coffee
esuld be bought in the bean ; and though chi-
cory was sold cut into small pieces, it could not
be so cut as to resemble the coffee bean ; and a coffee-mill
cost only from Is. 6d. to 2s. 6d. Besides this, he believed
there was not a respectable grocer anywhere who would not
grind the coffee before the eyes of the customers, if they de-
sired it. It was surelylthereforc an min interfe-
rence, when it was so palpable that the public d so very
well protect themselves. As to the argument adduced from
the state of the revenue in respect to coffee, he believed it to
be altogether unsound and illusory.gil.etereatly doubted
whether the adoption of the course su would
mowed
in preventing the mixture; and at a events he was not'
prepared to have recourse to so vexatious a system. It was
all nonsense to tell him that all that was wanted was a can-
celling of the Treasury minute. What he was redly asked
to do was, to create a police by mama of the
Excise—to lay informations against all perdu offend-
ing by these mixtures, and to enforce the penalties
provided by law. He was satisfied that if we were to con-
sent to such proceedings every member of thathouse would
be in the daily receipt of petitions and remonstrances,
and that they would very soon be forced to retrace their
steps.
Mr. E. H. STANLEY (Lynn) was astonished that the
right hon gentleman refused to do that as regarded coffee
which was already done for the prevention of-adulteration
in respect to tea, to sugar, to pepper, and to many
other articles. The right hon. gentleman said that
the public could protect themselves—that they could
purchase coffee, if they wanted coffee, in the bean.
But there must be some practical difficulty here
which did prevent that protection being successful.
The right hon. gentleman admitted that there had been
a falling off in the consumption of coffee. To what was
this to be attributed ? Certainly not to a falling-off la the
consumption of such articles by the working chew. At
the present moment the labouring classes were consuming
such articles to a much larger extent than for some years
past. (Ministerial cheers.) By that cheer they acknow-
ledged that a falling off in the consumption had not taken
place on the part of the working classes. The right hon.
gentleman had said that there had been an increase in the
consumption of tea and cocoa, but ho did not think this
was to be attributed to the falling-off in the consumption of
coffee, but to the temperance movement, which had de-
creased the consumption of spirituous liquors and
led to the adoption of other beverages by the people.
(Hear, hear.) He found that the quantity of coffee
entered for home consumption in 1817 was 3Tmillions of
pounds. Since that time, it had gradually decreased, and
last year—the year 18.50—:it had been only 31 millions of
pounds. It had been found that of the whole quantity
consumed, as coffee, fully two-thirds was not real wile.
From this adulteration, there were various turtles who
suffered. To the revenue there was the loss of two-thirds
of duty on the whole quantity consumed. (Hear, hear.)
There could not be the slightest doubt that asarly all the
chicory sold in this country was sold ander the name of
coffee, and there was not one man in a hundred who went
to bey it but believed he was buying genuine coffee. In
this way the public were the losers, but they were not the
only losers. The colonial producer was also a loser, for he
was obliged to bring his coffee to this country, and pay the
duty, sad compete with an article which did not pay duty.
(Hear.) The honest retailer was also a loser. The man who
sold coffee as coffee could not sell at such a low price as
those who sold the adulterated article, and thus he was
liable to lose his custom. He had in what he had said
assumed that the article of chicory was perfectly harmless.
He had, however, the testimony of a high medical autho-
rity to the effect that it was highly prejudicial. This, how-
ever, he knew was controverted, and he, therefore,
would not insist on it. Although, however, it were per-
fectly harmless, that was no reason why they should pay for
chicory three times it. value. (Hear, hear.) Gooseberry
wine was very wholesome, but that was no reason why they
should bey it as clam . (Laughter.) In the course
of investigation it had been found, too, that chicory was
not the only article used in the adulteration of coffee. Dog
biscuit, beans, cabbage leaves, and tan coloured earth, were
also used for a similar purpose. (Hear, hear.) The right
hon. gentleman had said that although a law was enacted
on the subject, it would be evaded. This might be said of
a law enacted for any purpose. He would oak, however, if
acme of the laws at present were evaded? Was not the
loazainet the adulteration of tobacco week after week
? and woo not parties regularly brought up at the
police courts Su being pally of such eyssions ? They beard
nottdanythimt inquisitorial or inconvenient in reference to
the law isenling tobacco. Even althourh inconvenience
did arise it would be more than counterbalanced by the
Food which would accrue to the public. It was necessary for 1
the protection of the poor particularly that parties should I
be prevented ftom going on with such systems of adultera-
ting. (Divide, divide.)
Col. THOMPSON was in possession of a few particulars
as this subject obtained from a dealer in the West Riding
of Yorkshire. This person 'seeded that there was
alesing like deception in the selling of the chi-
Oen and that all his customers bad a• way
et knowing whether the article was mixed or I
not by comparing the price at which he sold chicory
ground and unground. (" Oh, oh," and laughter) The I
facility with which hon. gentlemen broke out into rap-'
tures of mirth was remarkable. (Laughter.) This dealer I
sold ground coffee at Is. 2d. which was mixed with coffee,
and the genuine unground coffee he sold at 2s. per lb.
(Hear, hear.) He said that when the working classes in
the West Riding of Yorkshire found their condition im-
proved, they bought leas coffee and more meal than be-
fore ; and when their condition was bad the phrase in the
manufacturing districts was, " Clamm'd with coffee."
(Hear, hear)
Sir J. TYRRELL observed that there had been • great
meeting in the City on this subject, at which the hon. mem-
ber for Huntingdon had said that he was interested in the
growth of coffee in Ceylon and the East Indies, and the
hon. member was therefore interested against the mixture
of chicory with coffee. It must be conceded that this was
altogetheramixedvestion—(laughter)--notoolyseregarded
the mixture of chicory with coffee, but as regarded the
positive and actual facts of the case. He was prepared
to state as • fact that whether coffee was warmed in a
palace or a cottage, the best was that which was cons=
of genuine coffee with a small admixture of chicory.
was the testimony of tradesmen in all parts of the country,
that their trade would be greatly diminished if any ob-
struction were raised against mixing chicory with coffee. He
admitted that he had an interest in chicory with the hon.
member for Huntingdon, who admitted he bad an interest
in coffee, and he looked at that interest in as dear • point
of view as was possible. (Laughter and chem.)

Mr. WABLET his surprise at the Chancellor
of the Exchequer to under his ears the fraudulent
dwalax. For the beau Osier the right hou, gentleman
hod no sympay. as arid al ionfidie it • fortunate
eirmsmstamos that a posserM awl& go oft of its way
to sanction a frrea system of twin. The effect
of it might be sun in its Yam upon the U-
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woad the lows giw their sinedit to the t en
M big 1 (Hear, hew.) He biped the division would
ibur the contrary.
W. HOME was surprieed that his hen. friendatiLrivis
always stepped forward in the awe of the people,

now tell them that the people could take care of them-
selves. The question now was, whether the government
were right in refusing to interfere. He thought they were
perfectly right. (Hear.) To interfere would only in-
crease the vexation. Ile hoped the house would see the
propriety of leaving the public to take care of themselves.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said he would nut hare troubled toe
house with any remarks on this question had it not stood in
some relation to agriculture, but he thought that he and
his hon. friends near him were justified in considering how
the excise laws affected the cultivation of the land.
In the article of barley they were equally restricted by the
excise law. Ile wished to put it to the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether he intended to-morrow morning to in-
stitute prosecutions by the Treasury against those who adul-
terated tea, while he sanctioned the adulteration of coffee.
He wished the taste of the country was entirely in favour of
chicory, and that they should produce all that they con-
sumed ; but, as they were restricted with regard to other
articles, he thought they should carry out the principle so
long as they maintained it ; and therefore he should sup-
port the motion.
Mr. BASS said he could not sufficiently admire the
Chancellor of the Exchequer's desire to keep the exciseman
off their doors ; but us he was so liberal in the article of
coffee, he put it to him whether he would extend the same
indulgence to brewers' and whether great injustice was not
inflicted on those unfortunate publicans who were brought
up before the magistrates, and Sued 1001. or 2001. for mix-
ing their beer.
The house then divided: oe

For the motion B9
Against it
ADVERTISING VANS AND BARREL-ORGANS.
On the motion of Colonel SIBTIIO/11. leave was given
to bring in a bill to prohibit the use of advertising vane and
barrel-organs in the streebi of the metropolis.
Colonel ISUNNE moved fora return of the names, alpha-
betically arranged, of all members who have served on
public committees in each session of the present parliament,
with tho date of the first and last day of the sitting of each
committee, the number of days of attendance of each mem-
ber on each committee, and the number of days on which
each committee sat —Return ordered.