The Express.
London, England, 1865-09-02 00:00:00

IBS MUSED Ofd GERMAN AT WEST HAM.
DIQUEST.---(THIS DAVA
enin, at the London Hospital, Mr.
yls 0"o/eye, the Ifiddlese• eraser, bold an invalid-
ter the eneetristances of the alleged minder of
en, lobo, .god t 9 mare.
solicitor, appeard to wreh the are on
*lid Jacob Bremer, seem eed at she deeemed's arirdsr.
Wien rid that he limd st Na. 1, Bdith Cot-
Loed
owed.rd New-town. He was offseteet maker. The
Mril wee his father, sad was a ea rasher. may
n'reg jeer Brame waked for the deceased, sad ho lived
"die are Pass. For the last Snide min.
Li. Hoe, lived them also. Oay a frilled
riLeteed's rim to too him. Is the overdid &owed,
'1';‘;0, god little brother. Brenner, sad Haas west to see
(Tod ofi by the trent It was the 9 o'clock. Wit-
;lliwoes sad brother arm hack first When the
oes escr hack wirer was is bed asleep. Demme& rum
gored at witeeds door sad awoke kbu. He
;ridtrceoe, ist up, Jacob is besting raw* Witsess got
og west dematairs hit* the workshop. Be ego
"". weer , Bens, and his father. They were fightiag,
:a trams took hold of his father's arm lend foaled it
ebb blood. Wittier took his father by the arm
pwNd
gue away ; he told Bressler to p away. Brenner
i pewit a mildew into the yard sad slapped there.
se'yea see Bromley do anytime( tgo your father?
Wirer—low hint strati him
Oa ma—Did year father follow Bremer isle the yard
woose--111 'topped in the home, and say mother
the woad Be afterwada went WM the yard, sad
W 4 /lOW Melee
sm it. which he did.
con—Where did next see diam
woo—After his arm was dressed my Mbar mat
Cr re street Jacob Bremer was is the street than.
Try did socking to mch other them bat I told Bearer to
sgsy, Whoa they were about 20 yards frets the home
roa bow with • •kW*, which had beer got off the
look is dr mrshop. It was the knife with which he
marl.
Career'
wee dose them
Witmer Bower rid that he would go into the home

goser—Did isw
gar—He finch say father with the kWh in the lower
Am*. My father had mot spokes to Brenner
dor he won ism the streetk
coomg.—Ware they
.drun .
einame—l do ••• Musk they were drank. They might
hers takes • glom of beer but they did sot think much of
that After my father wos struck we took him into the
Wo, apolaira A doctor waa seat foe, and my father
wia NM.. 10 the *soul at once. My father and Brenner
bad NW fillirralled before. I do not know what
when he *a
they quer.
oiled shot this sight Hans was Freest
inohed. I Musk he was stobbed m the arm withh. the one
bile as that weed in stabbing him in she stomac
Coosomatined by Mr. W dim—White I same down
my father sod linoteer were fightug. My father
to adorn* ea the ground. There wee not light
sesegk this to see whether Brower had a knife.
Who Boo* west out thsough the window his
kat was bog oat to him—after him. When I went
oat shier Bremer it was to tell him to go away, so
that he eimald sot quarrel again wash me Whir. He
we,s tap yards sway. My father and I did not follow
joint* a busting. I had a pesos of weed in my hand.
My haw bed not a chisel in his hand. Whoa the bat was
throws *Brow and Hans were speaking together. 1
sew Bow stab my father. Hans could have nen better
I hold, if Bremer had s knife ; that is if he looked.
Ton** bad elapsed before my father went out tato the
shot Hass had then gone a little a head, and was not no
scar my father as I was when be was stabbed. My father was
sobbed oily owe is the street. I was **big between
wood three yes& from my father hewas stabbed.
Hers was etaudieg seer the door. My fail* was standing
wide boo the door.
WS* said—l am a sugar baker, ia the emloy of the
SoperMogi* Company. in Minimiser& goyed lest
we is the deceased's house. I was not the friend of either
isis at Brenta. I worked there eight days. Os Sun-
* they were both drinking. sad were drunk.
I had been drinking with them myself. We all
vat to the railway—the mists* and the son. They
on all drink ; I was sober. I had been lying in bed all
day. The gone] began in the public-house because Bodies
said sot speak Eogliah. I sin a born Frenchmen ; my
fiber was a German. No blow was struck is the
*bohemia About six yards from our house the
lot blow was wrack. Kitchen struck or began
it lot. He *shed Brenner. Brom:ter did nothing
Os, tat said he wanted nothing more to do with him.
Be. was something more in the skittle ground in the
yid. They polled one another. Kitchen again pushed
Banner. atteroards saw Bressler owns out of the house ;
his hat was thr.iwo out directly after him. As
mss as Jacob Bestows came out the deo**
as net otter him. Lenard Koch* came out half -dressed
bikes his father came out. Ho told Brenner to go away.
Wien the deceased came out Breeder ran away and
Mood ma after him. Both the Boothe* had sticks.
which they were itoorisoing over their heads. I stood at
lies aide e the house.
Be Ir. Willis--I did not we anything in Weever's hand.
Bauer celled out for help. The son and the father wanted
to strike him. I had beard qoarrelHog in the hopes pre-
vious to their ecmin out. I heard deossord say to hie son,
"Is he dead yet.' I heard Brenner say in German " For
Gad's sake, Karl. come ie." He said, "They will kill me."
I did not to is. for I wee frightened. Five wax women told
tee tornado where I was. That was five or ten minutes lot ore
Boom came out ; *es he came out the blood was roa-
ming do* his head. The Kuthesis same rushing out after
bin with wood is their hands. The women who spoke to
is. were standing at their owe doors.
Coroner—Was the cry for help in German!
Witsso—Yes, Brouwer celled oat is German.
The widow of the doomed was called, aod proved that
she hosed up bet husband's arm as stated by Lenard
Suchen Wore he went out into the street.
larcener Scowlers stated that the wog* with which
fatal isjury was Miliceect had sot hoes booed. He pro-
sier* the dying deposition made by Joseph Sachem in
the presume of Lionel', the surgeon, and a pollee-ma.
stable.
Mr. Willis &ejected to the document being received as
wilsece. The deposition had sot been made before
lug:straw, nor in the presence of the socused.
The isspeetor said that he had asked amagietrobe Of the
Thames poliee-wart to take the deposition, but he had
declined as the offence was committed in EMIL
The Corooer ruled that the document could not be
admitted in evidence.
Br. George W. Mackenzie, house surgeon at the London
Magnet. said that the deceased was *vatted with several
soperficid wounds oe the shoulder and a severe wee in the
abdomen. He died from the stab in the abdomen on last
Tuesday eight.
The Coroner then summed up, and said that the evidence
appeared to him to show very clearly that the mar was
Me Nes of murder, bat of rosealanghter.
The jury, after a brief consultation, returned a verdict of
" Manslaughter" against Jacob Brenner.
Mr. Willis asked that bail should be swept* for his
chest.
The Coroner said that he would have no objection to take
bail *der the circumstances.