The Express.
London, England, 1847-06-11 00:00:00

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sphere cf dada. There was so stem a feeling cm the part
of this ellinsiteme of this country u to the prow* ineffi-
ciency ef_eplapel tmgerintendence, that he believed there
was hardly OW REMltist of nemesery pecuniary aid which
they would net etedihete. Ho had no wish to offer any
emation to the sessod reading of the bill, of which in the
lan be approved; but he earnestly entreated her Majesty's
poseemenent esealerwbat might hereafter be the possible
;terd Leh of England, and not lead the
balm thee the addition of four bishops to the
present bench would be sufficient to meet its spiritual
exigencies. As they must contemplate at no distant period
a large increase in the number of bishops, he thought it
would have been better if the government had mule up
their miada at once as to the extent of the increase and
where they would draw the limit between bishops having
and bishops not having seats in that house, The temporary
and periodical exclusion of four bishops, in all other respects
equal E.) the rest, would only tend to isionsee Use diffitedty
of dealing with the question on a mess cede dad files
Lard BROUGHAM said be had as wish to ewes the
second reading, but he must morn to himself the right of
objecting, either in committee or on the report, to the ano-
malous exclusion from parliament of a single bishop.
The Bishop of SALISBURY said the bill Yin de
house had received the assent of nearly the whilebeeilt if
bishops.pa He did not deny that thess:mestlea wee UMW
with difficulties ; but as thews* of the
noble lord opposite (Lord Stanley) he *add set help saying
that he had not expressed the same sentiments when the bill
for the consolidation of the sees of Bangor and St. Aleph
was under discussion. His (the Bishop of Salisbury's) great
objection to the appointment of suffragan bishops was,
that such arrangement would not answer the purpose for
which it was designed. The great defect at present was,
that there was too little intercourse, not only between the
bishops and the laity, but even between the bohemia and the
clergy. So far as he exercised episcopal functions, the
suffragan bishop would, as it were, replace the bishop under
whom he acted, and diminish his personal contact with those
over whom he had spiritual superintendence. He believed
that by &muting to this bill the bishops consulted beat for
the welfare of the country and of the church.
Earl FITZWILLIAM agreed that it would be a great
seemaly to have one bishop who was excluded from that
boar. He could not understand on what ground it was
menneed that six and twenty was the precise number of
*friths' peers that ought to set in that house. Considering
the increase which had taken place in the temporal peso, it
might naturally have been supposed that there would
be a corresponding increase in the number of spiritual
peers, or, at le e‘t, that such • small increase es
tour would not be attended with any inconvenience.
He look td upon the measure as imperfect, even as regarded
the diocese of Manchester • for there could be no doubt that,
looking at its extent, anethe amount of its population, the
next bishopric which would require to be divided after the
metropolitan diocese was this new one. He quite agreed
that • large addition should be made in the episcopal staff;
but he was not sure that the principle of suffragan bishops
was the mat correct. His own feeling was in favour of
the new bishops having seats in parliament. The conse-
quence of excluding all the junior bishops would be, that
the house would be deprived of the aasistance of those who
would be most active and earful members of the episcopal
bench. (Hear.) If any very large addition in the number
were proposed, there might be some objection to giving them
all 'sateen parliament ; but when the increase was so small,
there was no ground for the exclusion.
The Bishop of OXFORD thanked the government for
having brought forward this bill, and for having fairly and
honestly considered how the admitted went should be sup-
plied. He, however, entertained great objectioas to some of
the details of the measure. He concurred p
in the objection
of the noble lord (Stanley), that it would pduce a feeling
injurious to their usefulness, that eta time when the bishops
should be resident in their dioceses they should be taken
away to perform other duties. The ground for excluding
the new bishops from the house he understood to be the
expense entailed on them by their attendance in parliament.
But it was not the attendance in parliament, but the main-
tenance of the intercourse with the clergy of the diocese,
which required the Income which parliament had most pro-
perly set apart for these bishops. Then it was said that the
seat in the house gave undue power to the bishops. He. on
the contrary, believed that the seat was a drawback on their
power for spiritual cobjecta. If they were not liable to be
questioned in that house as to the exercise of their power,
that power would be more effective and more dangerous,
and would become a just object of suspicion to every govern-
ment. The presence of the bishops in parliament qualified
their power and prevented its abuse. He objected, also, to
the provision which restricted the increase in the number of
bishops to fear. It had been long sdmitted that an increase
in the episcopal staff was necessary and everything that
limited that extension, and compelled church to work at
• disadvantage in its spiritual objects ought to be avoided.
Giving credit to ministers for desiring to make the church
efficient, he submitted to them whether it would not be
better to leave the general question of extension to be pro-
vided for apart from the present bill
The Bishop of BANGOR approved of the bill, as far as it
provided for the wants of the district of Manchester.
The Earl of POW IS was understood to express his appro-
bation of the measure.
After a few words from Lord MONTIAOLC,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE felt gratified that no
objection had been raised to the principle of the measure,
and as to the objections in point of detail, while the noble
lord (Stanley) complained that the measure was not suffici-
ently *apprehensive, the right rev. prelate complained that
M went hapead the necessities of the cue. With regard to
ffini leen& the number of new bishops, with a view to the
, hrtber effielency of the episcopal staff and the reform of the
chnreh—for this was a reform—it bad been thought right to
express in the enactment the positive intention to add three
new bishops, besides that of Manchester—not with the in-
tention, however, of preventing. such further extension as
future circumstances might require.
The bill was then read a second time.
RAILWAY BILLS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the consideration
of the report of the select committee relative to the suspen-
sion of
nilways,and proposed • series of resolutions founded
upon it, which. however, were not heard in the gallery.
Lord KINNAIRD objected to the resolution which pre-
vented the payment of interest on calls.
Lord REDESDALE said he felt a stringent objection to
postponing bills from one session to another, and that objec-
tion was still stronger when it was notorious that this was the
last session of the present parliament ; and the future Ileum
of Commons might not feel themselves bound by resolutions
passed by the present one. To the remainder of the resolu-
tions he had no objection.
Altar a few words from Lord GRANVILLE,
The resolutions were agreed to with some verbal amend-
ments.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid on the table the
Reports of the Factory Inspectors.
Their lordships then adjourned at a quarter past 8.

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