The Express.
London, England, 1847-02-12 00:00:00

UNIVERSITIIiB OF OVORM AND CAMBRIDGE,

Mr. CHRISTIR put off his =Soli on this subject till
this day fortnight.
POOR-LAW (IRELAND) BILL.
Mr. ROBBLICIE wished to know from the noble lord
(Lord J. Rinsed') whether he would ensure the passing of
the Irish Poer-law Bill by making it go pari paasw through
all its stages, with the VII which bad been laid on the table
yesterday and which proposed to lend money to the owners

of property is Ireland, or whether be proposed to carry am
attsZelißUSS from tleLolt..hs:ie it it was his intention that the two
bills should premed together. (Hear, hear.) He did not
mean to say that as to a particular day, one might not stand
for committal before the other, but be wished them to be
read a third time on days following each other, no that both
might be teat to the other house nearly at the rams time.
(Hear.) He himself considered that the bill for lending
money to improve crudes in Ireland ought not to be paned
without the Poor-Law Bill (hear, hear), and on the other
band, he considered the Poor-law Bill alone, without some
such measure as that for lending money to improve entates,
would probably fail of its erect, and be a burden without any
equivalent advantire.
IRISH POOR-LAW.
Mr. SHAW asked the noble lord at the head of the go-
vernment to state, before the permanent Poor-law bill for
Ireland should go through its several stages, what would be
the constitution of the new l'oer-law board.

Lord J. RUSSELL rid that a short bill was in prepara-
tion, which would soon be introduced.
IMPROVEMENT OF LAND IN IRELAND.
Sr H. W. BARRON complained of some Irish landlords
having been delayed in commencing drainage improvements
on their estates, in consequence of no surveyors Laving been
tent into the neighbourhood.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the eaten of delay, in most
instances, had been the difficulty of obtaining competent
surveyors. The Board of Works were most anxious to
facilitate the commencement of drainage operations.
WATERFORD AND LIMERICK RAILWAY.
In reply to a question from Mr. W. Cotterr,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER nod
Treasury minute sanctioning the advance of money to the
Waterford and Limerick Railway Company, for those por-
tions of the line authorised by the legislature in which the
company had received the assent of proprietor, on as to pre-
vent the probability of any litigation, and also for those por-
tions which would form deviations, provided the proprietors
had given their ascent."
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND).
Mr. 8. CRAWFORD, on rising, in pursuance or
notice, to introduce this subject, said, the question
had often been raised in that hmsee what were the
causes of the miserable condition of Ireland ?
his opinion the evils of that country resulted from Se
relation between landlords and tenants, and Irish proprie-
tors were responsible for them. He could not but regret
that it appeared from resolutions which he had seen that
day, that the landlords of Ireland were still disposed to
throw off their responsibility, as wee evinoed by the fact a
their opposition to out-door relief. All the reports of the
committees and commissions on this subject waded to the
same result. The land commission referred to 13 reports es
former committees, and they said that it was the testimony
of all that the evils of Ireland were traceable to the cause
which he had stated. Was it not strange that •
people who were starving had, on on average
of several years, sent away 2,400,000 quarters of
corn, and that even in eleven months of 1846 they had
exported 1,000,776 quarters ? The system was such that
grain could not be kept iu Ireland. The proprietors and
occupiers would not employ the people, and the people did
not work simply because they had no encolusgement or
security. The monster grievance was the uncertainty sr
the position of tenants. The report of the Landlord as a
Tenant Commission placed that matter in a very clear light,
and showed that the tenant had no security for the outlay
of capital. The fashionable excuse for the wretched condi-
tioe of the Irish people was the great number of small hold-
ings, which it was said afforded an insuperable obstacle to
improvement. Now he would compare a county in
the north with one in the south, the two being
nearly of equal aim, in order to show that that ground
did not afford a sufficient explanation. The number of
forms in the county of. Down, consisting of from one to five
scree, was 14,000; in Limerick, 7,000; from five to fifteen
acres, in Down, 11,000; in Limerick, 7,000 ; thirty sues
and upwards, in Down, 1,508 ; in Limerick, 2,840. Now
what was the comparative state of the population of the two
counties as shown by the late presentments? While in
Limerick presentments were made for 186,0001., in Down
the amount did not exceed 2,9171. He thought that
that fact afforded • strong proof of the superior condition of
Down, notwithstanding its small holdings. The te-
nants in Down knew that they would not be dispos-
sessed without receiving proper remuneration, sad, the
smallness of the holdings operated as an incentive to eco-
nomy and good conduct on the part of than who were
striving to obtain them. In Down the Arms varied hem
llve to fifty aces, and there was the most Forklift meant, for
any capital expended. All the eras of Ireland retailed from
the present system of letting land, and it was his belief that
all the laws they could pan for the amelioration of the
country weal be nugatory, without an amended law foe
landlord and tenant. It should be their object to give •
stimulus te laduatry, far they Wilt depend on it
that the eseilmiket of kola property was to be
dreaded lam from • pee Lew than from the po-
verty of the He immimiled by moving That
ietin= Mims& Mean kom the reports of various
ementiedise, that the sysMie generall
tZel be them met la the Wig and mesemsmist cc
peeperg k Isdai bee been am of the mein muss
of the piethd thaws& Meta et that eventry, mini the die-
ord mei thee el he mid relations; eai that ae sewn
can be eithend in predating • deemmi kr Lbw er im-
proving the esemlldsa of the people tad* shall use %dude
such an ainemdment of the laws of lemthed sad %meth se
shall give to the impreviegtosent 4 emepties a mdse
peentanamy Of Imie. er ea llie 4 Wilke"
claim by law 'WI eseamenetire kr aC kWh, meithi Ol the
expenditure of his below eel capital on the pnemiees In his
occupation."
Sir D. 0. NORREYS seeemled the motion, amid expressed
his conviction that all the mamma el the gevormeat would
be greatly lessened is their value unless they pave pester
security to the tenantry of the country, by inducing the
lendlords to give lease*. To induce them to do to it wool
be memory to dissever the elective franchise from the te-
nure. This was the *ales of M. de Beaumont, and be
believed it was the vise tam Itte= thinking man who
was practically itemises& with
Mr. TU ITS supported the mess, end commented upon
the evils Temkin tuna ebeestesime. Until • measure was
brought in, making abssedem leek after their property, no
insemote would, In Na egisies, be of any avail.
;ere were en imamse arralme of small holden of land in
fee in Ireland who lived Amok and new could be got at ;
and these people did more hem to the country than the
large absentee proprieties, melt of whom really did come
forward in periods of dilledtrad &tress.
Viscount CASTLERRAOH topsassnted !item county is
Ireland, in which the gram tenant right was in fell
force ; and as he very meth appremi of it, he thought it
right to explain why he molt net support the present mo-
tion. It was too math the weft= te treat • system which
won good kr me peat of hiked se geed *ter the whole of
Imbed. Now he was not by soy swans ears that this sys-
tem of tenant right would week well In the south of kilned,
and be was not propered, by pemig this resolution, to pre
zarits rbeeliztisa nsolaktste tealankso
ere had net nosed ite
nevessimises wee net prepered te mike it imperative me
landlords by • resolution ef the losidature.
Cat CONOLLT very
antiOed with hk noble Mend,
and elolacting, as he did, to resolution which did
oat carry the weight and of law, but which never
thetas affirmed pinciples which went to disturb exiling
=rbe t ether tide rateistins. At the mare
o cwt
of the mem generelly, and gave
greet melt belle hen. Teemlier he the mode In which be
meted the selieme, le wee net proposed to my that it would
be adenine Mimelt =den wpm the owners of leads
sad the Smarr of
Mr. LABOUCHERB felt sae time Übe did PM sitar at
length into this question his lea. fetal would netattelhate
to him any insensibility to Its vent imegoilesen orOw want
of respect for himself pereeeelly, Hi ben. Mai bed on
previous occasions introduced Ude epeetise to the allention
of the house, but he bed biliddlell &lip dale
so in the shape of a MR, pod dm* be ME net mew
Sallow that custom must, he (Hr. labeeihme) premthei, be
etheibeted to his sense of the diasilles which on everyethe
smilinsded this important qiielleM. with the
hen. and gallant edema she yds het rem-
Intim geserally, he mud alma, Mkt be mak*
them when applied to ost el ark ee raMy as
the regent. The rimelt bellpe bk• wee, be miest aloe
remark, peculiarly met. It he demise thaw* lime for
them M parer but arampeied two eleeminime„ either of
which theyet adept If they piemel.
gwas net
the way es with seek • sweatiest. Her • govern-
ment lad themily stated their imiestien of to the
nodes ef the hems at se
_waist a row kw eft sups*
to the aka= Menem eel tesiet. V Ue
cured that end they
dealt with it eels da=te Ilhament==
which wire the cernerokse steer
iLi.,IZ be pastille to pre en ent
the prides ef the Imemley et_ mestm
_babel.
that inseam wee baleen terwieddeedemall be prepared to
Nate the goers the gemeemend yoga Pow" Vliabgall
that period, he must adios the dieesedem ef the
should move, as en meestheW. the preview gmenden."
Mr. F. FRENCH ewtad the anasedmeet. The
roused,' hng been pet,
Mr. SMITH O'BIURN asked low soon the oremeinent
would be prepared to lay their seems on the talk i
Mr. LABOUCHEAB amid net Indertake to MOM an,
genie
....peeled. pawn depend es the *Dune of rabbi
bee be biped it would be before Beater.
Siam bes._mmletr
phi. E. CMAIVFORDIIIedhat he had radii meths in
as imps eta reissues bona ei • bill, bonne be oder-
eked hem welsh hod at the Med of the geemmment bet
eieneempkepikke
sairimpen the ethient themeless ad he wee eszlene net is
ithethe with dmir imessements. As, however, the seems
to begged by the gelemmeet appeared tensminin. mei M
Peardid aMU to • resehatim, be weal
bib peewit medes, yemmiling ass' • future eqy to
sok hem le beteg la a Wil embody* Ids
Medea, try leave, withdrawn.
COMMONS' INCLOBURE ACT.
Mr. AGLIONEY edged leave to bring in • bill to eased
the Cea=ses' Wiesen Act. TM el jest of that act wee te
Seem the some as delay attiring tearer' imeimeem,
and be theilltthe the inmeevemest id waste Sean The Nth
met* it dem_ ,iect, bowsaw emented in the me* ef Nag-
elan=intheedventanseseiy ly
fru= wailr precluding the imbetre
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