The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-24 00:00:00

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M. SARKIS odd that be bed eke lira arise of se
emend seat, bet that thee omesement wield some is pre
tritisia remit
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he druid have wropseed it then bed he
ia setlise
urn informed
Net. eke the &idea that ked jest eaten ,he weld
@sly divide Grier the while resehers. should oiler
to remiss of the astir, the seer of whisk would he
the eiselrNa of her Mokalro Jowl& sobjeas fa peineasint.
Is the Romeo Wheal o•ll,—whisk the aphis had se*
as is was par of the medemeat erne to is 1211, be was
set prepared te disturb whatever seight be his rear edits
imperesse—weve the words whisk he (11fraiedies) preparli
to intreder la the oath the sable lord was sew sheet to
er eabffah (hoer) —rd he smell eel ass what eh-
Eb:sre said be to their slimiest's, the
er,.b-
the same marry to the reeds sitar
by riding the hears gad restiamis of
them who were not amour he silierente. Hie propen-
flea wee to bind the coosiissess of Jews tile might be-
rme member of parliament by the safes words se these
el Rears Whelk members were brad at this moment.
As be
ppoomeesesid or theta rove his sereadasset, he did not pro.
a
le divide spier the resetaties, bat in stating his
lstsegiies as to the rare he Freed to take. be hoped the
adde led weld give .studs. to the obsereatior he had
retard to effer.
Lied J. RUSSELL was glad the lea. gentlinotraz
posed to defer putts( his amendment lentil the o
as the bill. niFer{iptioseshatlerssa supposed that ineentsch
as the wards be were included in the Roman cathce
Es oath, they night properly be admired into the oath
whir was sheet to be framed. Now with respect to the
Roam sithilie oath, the words were introduced at the
period of the interest of the 'question of esthete esser.
eirdea, sad brined • pert of the terms on which Rama
'rhino we. theoseforth to be admitted to sit in pude.
meat, the Arad being to protect the established shareh.
A....t.* Mend not supposs there was any danger of the
Jews er overturning the church establishasent,
Venom oder have been entertained wile
li souk
=ll to Roma esesse. As he understood ha hoe.
behind him, le wished to tatted ace the weeds tato
the oath takes by all member : that was a different qrs.
dee. seek an amendment berg • relaxation in favour of one
dem of pusses, esalike them to sit In the house, would
be at the sire time • teseistioa spas proterant dissenters.
Ile aphelia be (Loud J. entertained before the
fluor Where sett was proposed he entertained still, and
what wall DOW prop.-d would in bet operate not ss terms ot
sheiries but of Oa these comideretione, and
ash berg of rat the words themselves were very fit
to be latrines& es a qualification for members to sit in par.
Nemo% nod burr rip agreed to them is the ease ot the
Remo eathens gosh es pad el the uttlemest this effected,
he shield, whet the amendment wee moved, object to their
lareirlies ee oaring the Jews or any other class except
She lemma inthenes. (Rear, hear.)
M. CiOULBURN rose to express a hope that the sepal-
Meru to the present vote would not be taken u replying; a
esairiesses in the noble lord's vier, ands precludmg
drat rem taking what course they might think it here-
ohm The settle lord had stated en objection to the words
pre ea the ..wart that they would impose • hardship
Oa assierma Re (111. r. Goulbsern) was not one of those wee
wield impose hardships ar unnecessary exclusions upon
protestaat dissenters ; bat when he found that the condition
of their sersirien to corporate offices, which wee thought a
greet boss& to thee when the Test and Corporation Acts
ware meek& was an oath in which they were required to
swear that they would not exercise any power or authority
they might posses in connexion with such offices to injure
or subvert the protestant church as by law established, he
meld ace cone/wee how such • declaration rola create as a
hardship or as insult when imposed as • qualification for
mambas sitting in parliament. He made :this observation,
sot with say view of expressing an minims to the pro
pricey or otherwise of adopting his hon. friend's proposition.
Lord'. SUEIBIILL observed that there was • great dig
armee between corporate offices and seats in parliament.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL thought it should be decided in what
position •• catholic stood in that house. Were they in the
sear free position u protestant members or not ? It appeared
to be the opinion of the hon. gentleman that the restrictions
in the catholie oath, imply Jae that they were not ins position
to deal with the revenues of the protestant church, should be
Lammed on protesteat dissenters. Be did not think the con-
dole of the gerrement quite clear in this matter. Why
did they act thew the our regard for cantons as others ?
Re thought the time bad come when the question should
be Mild re way or the other. The wide lord
midis, would set impose a restriction on dissenters, implying
dist he redelered there was a restriction on catholic,. If so,
be the Bohr lord or let the right hon. rulers who
=in the Emancipation Bill declare it ; and let the
no longer be taunted with perjury for acting as
their consciences dictated. For his own part, he believed
that money, so far from strengthening, injured religion; and
with regard to catholic:4 generally, they repudiated any state
pooddint for their church.
NIL DRUMMOND said it was the constant complaint of
the eatholic church that all alliance with money and wealth
w deteimeatal to the cause of true religion. It might be
1111; but it did sot accord with the motto temper ans. If
Roma israilis had sot • right to vote on the revenues of
the pretestent rear it would be remembered that neither
led eye t a right to vote on the catholic rarer.
Mt ).
Theol led of ARUNDEL and SURREY regretted the
ebtomsat of the hoe. member for Limerick, that there were
amilholise of equal bummer and scrupulosity who took different
views of the obligations of the oath. Catholics were not
Allred to become members of parliament; bat when they
ad se they were called upon to subscribe to an oath with
whisk they were perfectly well auquaintl. (Rear, hear.)
The asotion of his right hon. friend (Mr. V. Smith) would
her delivered than from the diffieelty consequent on that
di .ease of 'pintos in regard to the nature of the oblige.
tiro that coat imposed, and the accusations which were
mile ageing them In respect to it. He had engaged
is serum conditions on entries the house, and it
did sot appear to him that he arid take advantage
of the power he bad arise" by assepting thole conditions.
te do away with the oseditres thenteiller. He therefor
bit that be could not ardiedeerly rote for the motion of
his right hon. fired, sad with mud to the present motion
be should he the sans coma dear to Tote at ell, confider.
her _that be should leave all serer of this nature to be de-
nied es by protestant, themselves. Rarer said so much
as to his ewe view of the mese, be &mid take it es a boon
from the reverential sad do hers if they would make seek
alterations is the ear as wadi norm all reties doable as
to its intorpreteden. (Eger, has.)
Mr. NEWDEOATE we. osmodhigl7 gratified at the
=W whist the ride had who had jest sat down had
thee house, sad who, with every desire to promote
the adeeasement of his ewe church, had shown that he was
art dispirited to avail himself of that doctrine which some
ealledice believed, in that they were free hue the
dim of the oath. (Cries of " No, no," sad "talP)
Rs woe glad to Sad that that was net the far If the oath
ears to be slunk he thought his hon. friend (Mr. Beare)
bad reser es his side ; bat he was glad his proposal wee
tidented.
Mr. ANSI= fully agreed with the noble lord appetite
(tl. Est it Amadei) as to the erne which should be taken
Rosen eatholle members on any proposal for altering
oath. As for e. he wee aneented, he should deers*
Uhler pest in say divides epee lithe satrest. Zs rend
segue& to the Ire. member he Derseisbre, instead of alter-
ing die oath, to resins, a armee fete the bill. distralifying
• t
he
not reembas tithe erebikhed °hydra- el Ene-
diensed, oe Wird. bell istierdar in esy wry with
the Isam of the Am& That wee tee dealst the
Isleadse of the est of UZI, sal as a an of leaser, he ece-
Waged with boned by I.
Mt. RAPIER observed that the dreit he whisk the
t • Emeesiredie Ad we. read, ea explored by the debt boa.
Wiest em Istriedor it, wee to areal to the Madre
die eel teXess= mad at the mime dies to mien
" the Mrs shwa ; end be wee obi to lad
that tie intespeseines pelt ea that est by Dr. Drib, wieder
=Rome Wiens ealbsdlin, was that it was a
his by the Issidatur ea the one heal=
estheticism the arse, ene orillisa of which was that*, r-
isers thee areiree by thee todynecield aot Ise rid to the
Illtoisdist Of the Pl 0,11•14 tilln lad that sethisreseld sz.
eseestetheisrebunthe lisestimsimeseed. (Rear.)
He was glad to led that the inteepratedia which wee pet
upes the mord ley priesirate woe shared ia sot eauiiltl
these sethorinee„lnnlty In sable lord sad ether
memben of parlismentorad that it wee in se way opposed
. to the tenets of the mai& faish. (Rest.)
t Mr. SHELL three it rensibmit on him, as • catholic
member, te elate that his view of the cbligatioa imposed by
the Roman sethdie oath did sot «decide with the inter-
pretation pat ern it by the ban. member for Limerick, nor
enthral of hie ride friend behind him. If tkOnterpntation
of his noble friend—which had obtained far him the wo-
rof the hoe. and learned member outwite (Mr. Na-
_reif that were wart, as Roma esthetic could
voted for the Church Temparalities Bill. No
Roman catholic weld have voted for the diebeanon et the
number of bishops in Ireland, nor for the abditioa of dna*
era, the effect of which had been to dimiaish the re-
ream of the established church iadireedy to the extent of
110,0001. a year. There was • great disdains& between the
teed satwersios of the chant aad a iseilleanos, or ern a
diesinatioa of its revenue', it they left an adequate mesa not
eel, for the maintenance of the spirit& rdablYhmmt, but
for its repent surainesent as ose el the radiances of the
.sentry. Re did net Walt it proper on this emir to eater
far an examination of the suet words of the oath, but
would crust bawd with referring the Lea. and learned
manta to the observer= made by Bir C. Wetherell at the
Was the tams of tar ear were settled. No C. Wetherell
seU, ring a foreade exprosice, that the forme wen wide
rear le to dr:ve a esesh sail bar therek this. WWI
Mae Way War te miss • Ratan outline evalf that be
wieldnet Nip* Wden privileges to dinar tile
inordel
of toar Ithe rilespreldlet M
AW estabchurls ? Ie
, thai MA, we
' due set a deeremerry see? (Rear, hear.) lie fat
spasm* Ohs \swarthy kr Limerick, that if •
re, Wee Fred by • seeterity, or eves • large of
the bow" pet** a different interpretation spas the oath,
~ re genii render hired brad by it. Re (AYA re.
re.,.
fared theesil.lesews legal maul. that the sea mete be
• tikes end reser' aicassikaa mull* isapaallme. OM
et the Affinities:es, , whet was the inestioa of the
..- hers ? His wee that he was herd att.
~ eased as std brew eat le dirge the aninerice or erre
i • threw of the esteendeed arch, ' eta rag ho wee at fie
.it liberty et seas sash areeldims in As trapWlffitlell Mg
'VI a• should be sonsiilent with its garret actratigie
doe se
pozeasse mistesemb (01seel.)

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