The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-20 00:00:00

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SOUTH EASTERN RAILWAY.—ASEPORD AND
HASTINGS LINE
Xt. W PATTEN awed "That the order of the day
of*. 16th dar of February lest, !seen:lig the Smith Eastern
Railway (ressoval of restrictio• sputa oing the Tun-
bridge Wells and Homiest, and Ashford sad Hastings lines,
erect ot eempukory powers foe purchase of lauds, steam-
boats) Bill, to the committee of o kolas be now read; that
the sell eider be disenerod; sad that the bill be with-
draws."
The motions were severally agreed to.
TURNPIKE ROADS.
Mr. W. PATTEN wished to know what course the go-
onsment intended to Uhl with regard to the Turnpike
TM'. Bills, which bad stood on the reinr of the previous
day.
Mr. C LEWIS replied, that if the promo'ers of the bills
should thick it expedient to refer them to the Home De-
partment for examination, measures would be adopted at
the Home-efliser to effect that objesr.
VICTORIES IN INDIA.
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE gave notice that, en Tnerday,
24th of April, he should prop, se a vote of thanks to the
governoverneral, to the conielander•in-ebief, and to the
°liken and mu composing the army in India, for their
smokes in the Emmet military operations in the Punjaub.
(Loud diem.)
HOP DUTIES.
An Hos. Manners said be elated to put a question to the
Chsneeller of the Es&rainer on this subject. A paragraph
bad been gales the reund of the papers to the effect that the
time toe the payment of the duties was to be extended. He
withed to ask the right hon. pen'lessan whether or net it acs
his intention to consent to pesipeme the p ayment (fan
meat of of the duties, payable in the first week of May, until
the month of November.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was under-
stood to say, that as estession of the period for payment was
intended, bat the coodidose had not yet been communicated
to the office.
SICILY—DENMARK—THE PROPOSED BRUSSELS
CONGRESS.
Mr. DISRAELI said-1 wish to take this opportunity of
nuking an *wary of her Moiety's gownsman'. Before the
Elmer recess, the government announced that they had en
hand three mediations, sad after the Easter recess those
three mediations had assumed the form of three blockades.
(Leaghter.) Now I wish to know from her Majesty's po-
vernment whether th y are prepared to lay on the table
easements which may explain this strange metamorphosis
f" Hest, hear," and laughter.) I want to know, in the
*et plate, whether and when we may *greet to receive
those Sicilian papers, which, I think, ought already to be in
rhe hands ef mem& e. ; secondly, whether miciaters have any
objection to lay on the table as speedily as possible all papers
Illustrative of the affairs of Denmark la coenealas with the
Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein; nut, thirdly, whether
they have any objection to on the table the records of the
Congress of Brussels ? (Great laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—In reply to the three questions
which the hon. gentleman has asked, let me say, in the first
place, with retard to Sicily, that the mediation between the
Sing of the Two Sicilies and the Sicilians ha come to an
end, and that the papers are now is course of preparation
for being laid on the table o' the house, and will, I believe,
be ready in a few days. With regard to the second subject
—namely, the cogizance', kits between Denmark and the
Gentian power—as communieatione are still goi et on both
with Denmark and with tie German emirs, it is not ad-
visable to lay on the table pipers relating to that netotiatien
at the truest moment. (Hear, hear.) With regard to the
third queet'on which the hon. gentleman has asked, be is,
of course, fully aware that the Austrian plenipotentiary was
never named. A premise of the t ambition was made, but
that promise was never fulfilled. (Hear, hear.)
THE SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN WAR.
Mr. HUME said he would now ask the noble lord the
Secretary at State for foreign Affairs whether or not there
was any truth in the rep rt thit a courier having arrived
ken Copenhagen on the 26th of March with despatches of
insportsnee for the noble lord, those 11-spatehe a were allowed
to,rosaain sneptned and anasswered until it was too late to
poorest koetilities ? He begged to assure the noble lord that
kb reason for ow king lamination then was to prevent any
undue blame resting spin 1 im.
Viscount PALMERSTON—I can answer my hon. friend's
well non se I could to-morrow. The facts of
tress: as
are three :—A'tes the Danish government had
deseeneed the armistice, communications took place be-
times her blaiesty's government and the two nodes with
a view of endeavouring to we whether or not it were
still possible to avert any nari-idly sets ; and on the 13th
of Nara I proposed to t"e poetise a protocol, in the hope
that they might be brought to agree to it. On the 26th of
March the Danish minister received from his could an
amended version of tUe icemen t. The Danish severs-
resat required that the assent of the German plinipotaatiary
should be immediately elven to the instromant in ths feels
is which they tent it ; and they desired that the aslant
Ellett be sent bask before the 25th of March, in order that
they sliest knew whether they should begin hostilities, as
they had announced, on the 2nd of April. The note of the
Danish Weider tosamuniciting that to me on the 26th was
mat not in the usual °Mc .1 we,, and by Accident was at.-
laid ; and it was not therefore till Thursday, the 29th. issued
of Tooke the 27th. *et I was enabled to somunanhists the
contents of it tothePrue&an minietrr, who was the rsplasonta-
tire et the central power. But the peepodtion was one whisk
it was quite out et** power of that representative to secede
to, and therefore it was perfectly immaterial with rapist to
say result whether the comes imitation was mode to him on
the Tuesday or en the Thursday. The proposition wee one
whkh it would lave been perfectly inconsistent with his in-
trimehrris *swept, anal theref-re his answer would have
been the rams on this one day as on the other.
RUSSIA AND TURKEY.

Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask the able lord, the Semetary
of abate far Foreign Affair., whether he bad received ley in-
fermatinn from Cuustentino* on the subject of the silesed
demand addressed to the Porte by the goverment of
Ueda, of the withdrawal of the Turkish troops teem Mol-
davia and Wellecatia, under the menace that If the =
was not withdrawn the Earn ambassador meld
tear his pompon?
Viscount PALMERSTON.—I have no reason to believe
that any seek annonneerneut has bras 'natio by the Resins
gmeramenitts that of Turkey. On the cestrare, I haws ma,
rerun teldiemithat the report is astounded. The feet b, tlast
the pmenesef Me Tnekirh traps he Moldavia was, I be-
lieve, Imbed by He Russians; and the ally ground for the
emfavourable MEM is, that the Realm government sent
an °Meer of gnat distinction from St. Petenburg to Con-
stantinople with a view cf effecting a friendly arrangement
of matrere.
THE MEETING 07 IRISH MEMBERS WITH THE
PRIME MINISTER.
The order of the day for considering the amendments to
the Navigation BM having been reed,
Viscount CASTLER,EAGH wished to throw himself on
the indulgence of the louse while he introduced a matter
which wee somewhat pereoesi to himself. He referred to a
correspondence which bad pissed between the First
Minieter of the Crown and himotif. It would be le the re-
collection of the how that the noble lord had about a week
The SPEAKER here interprad—He was sorry to in-
terrupt the noble lord by reminding him cf a rale of the
base. The clerk bad air •etly read en order of the day.
• Vies sat CASTLEREAGH was quite aware of that cir-
cumstance; he threw himself entirely on the indulgence of
the hone*. ((Chem.) If the house would tee kind Neagh
to hear him he would be as brief as possible. He bed been
about to say that the no,tle :cud tad summoned the Irish
members, as a body, to Cruse the question of the rate
in aid. Proving le the mer•ng, enteral gentlemen who
entertained Meng opinions on the subject, considering it
probable that the noble lord would press fur an immediate
decision, thought it best to cheese toms Ind iridusl to expras
their tentimcnts to the no'..le lord. At the meeting which
took place the hon. member for Litariek (Me. J. 0•Cmsell)
made a speech, in the aurae of which he int r3dueed a great
deal of extraneous master. The noble lord then west oa to
state his views. After he had done en he Viscount Castle-
reagh) advanced toner& the noble lord and endeavoured to
attract his attention. Teas noble lord, however, withdrew,
stating that he would ocher leave the matter open. He spats
WWI himself on the noble lord's attention. assuring him
that he had no personal desire to speak t ur. that be appeared
es the commissioned e‘. Outman of other Fades. Under
saek circumstances, he conceived that the noble lord might
have extended to him the viably of herring what he had to
say. Having, however, ken unsuccessful in his obiest,lse had
sines 'adrenal te the noble lord the famineMy
lord—l was prepared to speak ti your lutJelsip to-day, not
only for myself, but on behalf cf a numerous and influential
body of Irish members. Whilst in deference to your posi-
tion es First Maki r of the Cram, we attended the mort-
ise in Daweinretrer, we were sot premed to pledge our-
selves to the adoption of anT artienier tax to be imposed on
Inland. We are not unwaning to discus any roped for

THE T XPRESS, FRIDAY rrENING, APRIL 20, 1849.

. *fa to levieed. (dicer,
le of being
this purpose ea its corn merits in the Hone of Commons ; purpo _ meet
hear.) ffie manse d that, be shoe that night look w.th
but without beari the argoments which might be adduced la the west of 1 d leeks role! ads* diatremed seems the policy of the legislature in vek
.
. some emistritts the vote' 4 the ght hon. ?menethe
on the question it aseertaining the espweity of 1r.1.n4 to The quoin Wei pet from the chat,
* ',.., me MINT fee T ellthorth. bent= thet right hoe. baronet mast
Moe icereased Minion, we could met be in e rmni•ttrat 10 Mr... 11113111 itegleed to coal vihmh°l this Miss tee to ►we know that the existence of a rate he and w utterly Mews-
unde a to the
Of ring am advice to the leeiereaeld 6° to the °Dar" ft Illy nacre of pergement ; Mho bad =dente= the+ tatible Medal ' 000. 3171% e add not eras:let ;be ,if the reee in aid
"ewer for erase
awa'aisasa", end
""aliallfasaa sin
from
advanced before the 114."iq-Afd Bill bad "Idvild the no* ride with *e plan be bad lately
ellaset proper to ad pt." To that letter he had received from the heal
oi the winnow., to
my
that,
~ o
..
I' em the nete-fs• were once palmed, it would not only tot es en impediment,
Chine lord ____.the following reply:—" My Meoyekrnie—l shouldhmuse, Aid Bill did pass, the mouse you'd not he latiene°4. but it would put an absolute eztinsuisher upon the plan.
ebe amo of "Unving roar that day. - Agreeing entirely in what had been_ said t the Chancellor ellen, hr..) New, Mr. Griffiths was the ihot wit-
welted to her yomr lordship, but as several mew
the distresesd "aims, yet, seeing the doubted Mae' of lee: weentait- foe Ripen (Sir Jaen Graham) and At
the right honoureble bsronet, the
bees *petered to intimate that they did not wish °f the Eleheitheft as to the 014064 if-affeiitigg relierto uses' esommed by
Me SO do se. I thought it beet to retire, otherwise
Ramin.Aid Bill, he must say he wished to know heo,...—eeosse foe Linearlah.Lble. lignacill _With. referent, to
have heard other eseiehas who do not what was the nature of the enninnaleatlon Midi tla-dity to the valuation, the general principle of the pa .r rate andilitc
Ibel 'me
to that atimore us sod ie fluential body to which
the noble lord oethe subject of that bill by the lash rem - policy of levying it. Mr. °misted was neat examined, and
that the
year in situate and must havebe anted that, In collecting Ito old r ete, he had exp,rieneed
east= eta debate in-
stead of receiving a decision." Now ha had felt it his duty to
sentatiem. If they oppoed it the probeb lily was
rate in aid would notbe obtained ; and if the present node- great difficulty. lie was asked if he thought that difficulty
Wag this matter been the DOWss and as regarded the dos was =reed to, and theme:Bey advanced, the hews would would be eonsieersbly augmented if, in addition to the raves;
body when be had represented if the noble lord sow the
be left in theloreb. (Hear.) What he wanted to knew was.
whether the rate in aid or an income-tai was te be enforced. peed upon to Vey the rates of the west. He ',peel, that If
of de it own district, the people of the north of Ireland were
11IMISS be would admit that the parties were both =moron
end influential. Be would only add his belief that the
. ,in Surely the government bad made up their minds en the be knew anything, of the people of the north, they would
whole body ofd.
Irish gionhohne hadoommee Mo. auteresotirlate,"te; subject. la order to remove all doubt upon this subject, he certainly eel against the payment of money for the people
meftmnitg with that which 11.11 .1r............... '.-- —.* should move as an amendment, if the noble lord's reel, was
. of the west ; and be quelidre the word "rebel" by obs.rving
(Hear, hem.) not satisfectoey, that no part of the stm now proposed to De that they wculd decidedly object, end that nothing but
Lord J. RUSSELL, *aid it had been far from hie in. granted be =vane= anti the Rate in Aid Bill had realest' poeitiv, force would indium them to par. Then, the three
tendon to 'hew any discourtesy to the noble lord. (Hear, her Majesty's consent. first witnesses having been exeron d as to the amount of
boss ) Oa the centrary, be was very mush obliged to the
Lord J. RUSSELL said, he would endeavour to satisfy the valuation, the dtfSeulty of coneetioe, and the improbse
met= lord, upon whom he had no claim whateser,
the hos. member by stating plainly what the govern- lenity of the loan being repaid, Cartels Huband stated that
two having done him the honour of meeting hint in
),. meat intruded to do. It was now proposed to take the people would be unwilling to pay the rate, and that
Downing-street (Heats bear) ln lb° next place -- • vote of 100,0001. OS the security of the rate in they would object to the re, ay Mere of any money that wee
would observe, that after having ascertained what were the
aid, and if that amount was granted then a clause lent to them for any purpose. (" Hear," and laughter.)
views of ,the deputation, be reeetemended theft to take would be inserted in the Rate in Aid 13;11 for securing Mr. Senior &served that the collection of the rate would
some time for or ; and he said be hoped that, Ss the
repayment to the Treasury of the advance. It was the teal to a passive re inane, and that that passive resistance
the bill stood for that sight, they would flethee,
oe "" hith,ewithe ens intention of the government to proceed with the Hite might or might not lead to waive resistance t and he
their decision early in the morning. The noble ' t" rd in Aid Bill, and to ask both houses of parliament to give it added that it would be impossible to disentangle the old rate
Cestlereask), as be understood, tben proceeded to say that be
their eanotioo, is order that it mieht afterwerds receive the from the new, for that both must be collected torether—that
was prepared then to state the opinion of a meeting— royal assent. The hon. member bee salted if the Treasure there would be great difli ulty in getting the suerdians to
Viscount CASTLEREAOH—Not a meeting. intended to advance any poreoa of the pretent vote until strike the new rate, and that they (toe guardians) would'
Lord J. RUSSELL—WeII, then, the noble lord said he the Rate in Aid Bill was parer] ?He must candidly prefer the alternative of resigning rather than strike it.
INS peppered to state the opiaisos of certain persons. state that there was only about 8,0031. of the 50,0001. grant Capt. K anedy stated that the rate would diminis to li telt -
unexpended, and that would all be gone before the bill coul I :net, and that the money in tho end would havebe paid
Viscount CASTLEREAGH—A very large Imply.
receive the royal assent He did not think it woald be SOU out of *come inwhich, of course, be meant
ad or other, by
Mr. LABOUCHERE wee Ir re vide?. to observe
sistent with his duty to suffer an interval to pees without the imperial exchequer, se there was no fund in Ireland
that the lupus(' used was " I am prepared with an answer
affording the n-cessary relief, or to leave destimte thaw from which it could be obtaired. This was the en:-
toile noble lord's propositicn." unions which now required 5,0001. a week, because of an deem of men empl teed by the government ; ant
Lord J. RUSSELL continued—Having before stated it to accidental delay in the Rate in Aid Bill. (Hear, hear.) it was clear that her Majesty's ministers, prior
be his intend= to retire, he stopped , o heat tne noble lord's
, If the house interfered, and prevented the bill from pining, to proposing the rate in aid, could not have con-
Viscount Castlersegh) aeleeire ou which 'l'mm' mhergen."e° he mast bow to its decision; but he =mid not, after that suited them,- or, that having con.ultad them, they took
I cock celled out "No, no." It then awe= to him that if &ewe., scathaeue anyfarther ndeaaee team the tanooz
no amiss of their opinions. The evidence went to show that
be received the noble lord's answer, ether geneilesses might
the But it was not likely thee more dna 5,0001. would the collection of the new thatl only be accomplished
' ray that they were not Per" to the miming which advanced out of the 100 0001. during the interval that by the ail of the military ; it would be considered as
noble lord bad attended, and that he would, therefore, be in.
.•the stages of the bill were being get ter nigh. Should the oppressive ; that the maximum was an absurdity ; that the
valved in a debate as to what wee the reel "Me of 11°1.14' bill be thrown out, be would then come down to the house new rate could not be collected and the old also ; that the
lag. He, therefore, resumed his original intention of goiter
,_ and ash them to vote, as a print, whatever sates may have sundials would resign rather than strike it ; that the loan
into the next room, meting that if the meeting mimed "r been advanced out of the element vote, and no further sums would never be paid ; that the opposition, passive at
any further explanations he should be kappt to afford them. shall, be the meantime, be hatted and that oleo Jibed
He scald only again IN"n the noble lc" tat ke wan very Mr. V. SMITH ir.quired why the precise sum of would follow ; and, finny, that the delltiency would
sorry that then should have been say misunderstanding on ,„„,0001„ had been slim
upon? have to be made up by the burden being borne by'
the subject, end if it wen necessary to make any spiny see
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that those taxpayers in Hashed, whet repreeensatieva now be-
most willingly would he do se. (Hear, hear.) lie did not
the 50,0001. which had already hevoted hod listed i li, rod that by means of the rate in aid they were wading
en nearer
Intend any diatom" sy. three mouths. The rate of expendeure during the SUM- themsolves against payments in futora for Irish distress,
Mr. DISRAELI must make one observation on the state.
met months would be heavier, and be 414 not suppose that Well, notwithstanding this evidence, the house was told
sent of the noble lord. less than 100,0001. would be sufficient to afford the requiete that it was the determination of the goner
to persist
The SPEAKER here called the hon. gentleman to order. relief until the harvest could be got in. More might be re. in imposing the rate. Ile could hardly believe that this
Mr. DISRAELI sal he was going to make a motion. He quieed, but there could not possibly be less. Beyond this, would be their deo araitian.beOnputth the
can"a7, hathwalattl!ef
thought it highly inconsistent in the noble lord to call a he could cot give any reason for the precise sum that had opinion thot the ad would. not
that t
at
undotpldrateedioill;a
that
it
meeting in the way that he had done; and he was surprised been asked for. loan would not be paid,
that a =Mater so eminent for his restitutions' knowledge Mr. H. HERBERT then rose to mon the following amend- should ; and, therefore, the more be considered
the subect, the more he was led to believe that the house
should have taken spelt a couree. (Cries of " Order.") He zone of which he had given notice :—" To leave out all the
proceeding upon false principle". lie should continue
was, he believed, perfect' yin order. words after the words ' distressed unions in Inland,' is
was
the not only became it was bad in itself, but
Lord J. RUSSELL said that U the hon. gentleman pro- order to add the words, 'and in censideration thereof that 'o oppose rata,l I
Wing
be .
because it n the way o any ing setter. The lime
ceded he must reply. an income and property tax be assessed on incomes
was come when they shoull be ashamed of their expedients
The SPEAKER thought the house mast now see the and property in Ireland not liable to income and
and mo_ ,
k sbifts in Ireland; and now at the eleventh hour,
inconvenience which aroma from not ad 'sing to its rules. property tax under the act 11 & 12 Vie., c. 8."
wh n the right ben. baronet, the member for Tameorth,
(Hear, hear.) The clerk having reed the order, the noble Ile observed that the bone had expresso:l an unmistakable
had come forward to rescue the country from its degraded
lord (Lord Castlereagh) mold not proceed without a breach opinion that unless Ireland consented to sea increase of taxi'
pesitlo i he (Mr. Hormel) for one welcomed that drat
of order. He had ee lded to what ■appeared to Lien to be the ties in some shape, there should be no further grant from
and was prepared to give it all the consideration it deserved
wish of the Dore, but he 'rusted that the house would now impeeial taxatien. Irish msmbees in the recent emergency
The right hon. baronet hal done a preat deal
support him, sad proceed in a regular manner. (Hear) were bound to ernsent ton ch further taxation.. The pro- . y
b tits speech he had delivered, but there was I
e ion of the evernearnt oil not fulfil the eon& b. that a
Mr. DISRAELI said, he, of course, bowed to the decision e
a should t loudthose b
eupon best able to bat it, nor, in• a vsry great del more which he had yet to
of the chair, Wine be roes it was to move the aljourtm; nt
sel deed any fair di , and it war condemned by fil
even e - do. He had established the msgnitude of the evil, the
of the debate, and therefore he had considered himself to be
clad Pens munsinst:dsawith Ireland; snd in the absence of a vastness of the duty, and the greatness of the &Me lees ;
quite in order. No minister would now think that he had and he had drawn hope from the extent of the e eternity. be-
nder expedient be proposed tents'. Mr. Herbert come= d
taken time to prepare his nervations. (Laughter.) lievirg that that calamity had removed obstacles whee ' no
objections which the prop sal had already encountered, et-
lOATION LAWS. tacked bitterly, as upon termer occasions, the Irish poor law, Id have surmounted ; and that it had
humon power cou
,d
Captain HARRIS moved the inter ion of the following and declared his resole. ion to pi Mot in his moque. open. el up corns ot improvement which no roues cr ceu.
clause : " And be it enacted, that the master or owner of It had been said that the machinery did not exist for the hare arena' °ft Ho bed gone forth; r, and, in a speech
every ship belonging to any subject of her Majesty, and of collecting of an income tax, but that objection might be which betrayed a deeper study of the want. and miseries of
the benhen of eighty tons and upwards (except I leisure asily obviated. The hon. member said that the events that Ireland, and a mote sesurate perception of Enelish,oes con.
yachts), shall have on b cares at the time of her proceeding had taken place at the meeting of Irish member', called I y pitied with Irish inten than he (Mn Herrman) h d ever
prom any pert of the Unite I Kingdom, and at all times who Lord J. Russell, had placed him in a different position from heard in that how. (Hear, hear.) He had unfolded
*Mint mem the United Kingdoms or navigating the seas, that which be occupied prior to that meatier; but it war lf!elth so large, so horful, and so statesmanlike,
sae arpreaties or more, in the following properties to the still his intention to press his amendment, unless the noble thot the time ot parliament could no tenger be wasted upon
number of tassel his ship's admeasurement, according to the lord at the head of the g erernment should think fit to treat the consideration of mere make-shifts, hut in future their
c oddest' of registry, (that is to say), ;or every ship of the hone with greater confidence than he had treated the consideration of Irish wants and remedies mu .t embrace
eighty tons and under three hundred tons, one *ppm ntice at Irish members, and make such explanations as would justify topes as large and as extensive as those which had been race 1
the least; for every ship of three hundred tons and nada gtsted by the right hose gentleman. ( mil ) T
the withdrawal of the amendment. A sus:. h x-1
six huni red toes, two apprentices at the least; and ter every
Mr. F. FFRENCH wasopposed both to the ginal
petrie nee and caution of the right . hen baronet WI re such
ship of six hundred tons and upwards, three apprentices attr' 1". that he never woull have made so large a development
tion and to the amendment.
the least ; all of whom, at tbe period of their being bound of his views, unless he was prepared to adopt that
respectively, shall be subjects of her Maksty, and above Mr. J. O'CONNELL condemned both propositions, as development in his plan, and aim at the reconstruction of
twelve and under seventeen years of age, and be,
duly hound being most unjust to Ireland, bat of the two would support society in Ireland by a large change in its proprietors. If
for the term of four years at least • and if any such master or that of the government, as calculated to afford more heron- the substitution of solvent for insolvent proprietors paved the
owner stall neglect to have on troird his ship the number of diet, relief, for even while these =ejects were denting, hat- way for all the changes which might la expected to result
apprendoes as hereby required, together with their respective men life was being sacrificed in that country. tram that movement, then, undoubtedly, the house might
registered ineentures, as•ignments, and register tickets, he Capt. JONES preferred the proposition of an income tan Mee to see In Ireland an atmosphere of peace,
I shall for every such cffet cc fore it sad pay the sum of tan to that of a rate in aid, and should, therefore, vote for the industry, and progreo, instead of that picture which
pounds in respect of each apprentice, indenture, astignmest, amendment. lie was convinced that if the rate in aid now presented do 11 of ruin and deepen. (Hear, hear.)
or register ticket so wanting or deficient." was enforced, the whole evrking of the poor law would be There were three thiege required by the right bon. gentle-
Mr. LABOUCHERE objected to the clause. Be did not endow. Ted. man's plan—first, to give a sample title; seendiy, security for
mean to state that the =teen to which shipowsers were re- Mr. R. 51. FOX protested against the
quiri • d to take apprentices under the present system be the eastern unions to support the pauperism of those in the (Lsuehnr.) Each one of these depended on the other. and
volved, as a Kestrel rale,any very serious
' burden ; but still west. They were already in the eastern districts paying ■• any attempt or the-kind upon so large a scale must be la-
the compulsion upon them, being or universal application, vine heavy rate in aid in the charge thrown upon them by tended with great difficulties ; but, upon the fullest con-
had en injurious effect in many eases. as, for example the the immigration of the poor from Connaught in search of 'knead= he could give be the right hon. gentleman's plan,
ting trade and In short voysgea. There was no ' danger employment, and who, fading in obtaining it, were thrown he believed that If it were made in a fair and pa'riotic
that the merchant service would extinguish the employment upon the unions, which were compelled to support theta, spiritthese difficulties might be surmounted. As for the propos
of apprentices. A proof to the contrary was the fat thst at set tog that in Ireland fhere wi ano law of settlement as there ei lon of substituting a commission Or the Court of Chancery,
the present moment the merchant service employed 10,000 was in England. In Longford, the rate in aid paid he thought that the more it was considered, the more likely
a, 11,000 man apprentices thin the law o,,omitotod• in this way wn not less than threepence in the pound. was it to be adoAe4. When they considered the amount of
(Hear, hear.) Now, be very much prefene4 the imprilim of an teems' property mortgaged, the complication of tenures in Ireland,
Mr. HERRIES advised his hon. and gained friend to tax, but he nould like an income tut similar to that in East. and the aimed wortblessness of the mejerey of 'he thin—
lane to be paid into the imperial eschequer, to that the Irish (a 1 h) • in evidence before the • h
laugh)—it —it was
withdraw kis anendment, and to apply himself on Monday • •
people might pours the ?Wit, in times of scarcity and awl- there were very few instance ot title in Ireland in which
to the defeat of the Milllllo4l altogether. den emergency. to Ira • from that exchequer for the relief of there was not some flaw. (Cries of " No," and " Hear.")
The amendment was withdrswa. the destitute in Conesueht or elsewhere. He had lie He now spoke of the evidence before the committee ; but,
Mr. ANDHRSON then moved the following emend; tend attentively to the speech of the right hon. baronet taking all the uncertainties together, it was evident that
ment :" In clause I, page 2, line 43, after the word' dell- the member for Tamworth, and he knew that the great men- there were difficulties to conteod with, which no-
ciente to inert, ' and that any seamen quitting any vessel sore propounded upon that secra inn was tooled to with thine short of a commission, such as was projected,
whatever is order to enter her elsjesty's naval service, and great interest in Ireland; but the fact was, they were in could deal with. (Hear, hear.) The precise nature
being received into such service, sleep be exempt from any such a deplorable condition in lee sister co-entry, that they ef it remained yet to In explained ; but he =denoted it was
penalty or forfeiture to which they would otherwise be liable grasped at any and every thine. Now the basis of that to bring, as far as possible, encumbered estates into the mar-
es des rent.' " measure appeared to be, to regulate affairs in Connaught lot—to facilitate the prompt sale of land en 4 the payment of
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the question mooted by through the medium of a cemmission' compered of Enelish all ecru of arrears. But to effect that they must secure to
the bon. member's amendment was :of a class that he was gentlemen, sitting in that province.. But, as both landlords the purchaser a limited Halley which they would not be
seat unwi ling he
_agitate upon the present (=seem (Hear.) and tenants in that poet of the country wen all needy, how doing by enacting this rate in aid. In fact, a rate in aid was
It was very trislt to altering the navigation laws to ep- would it he tensible for any commission to deal between fatal en anything of the kind, for it established an unlimit d
the quietism of the system of tanning the navy. He them? He believed that no commission could stead all the liablity. It was that which created such divers in
Lett mean Meg that the system could not to improved, importunity and the demands •hich would ba certain to Ireland, compelled the small farmers to lean their lands,
bet ft would be most inconvenient to tench the sub• be made upon them under the circumstances. But was and created an absolute panic. It established the
lot in mmagalem with the present bill. He, there- still this extraordinary difficulty to contend with Involved principle that the wealth of Ireland was to be
Iwo Mined his hon. friend, who was a supporter in the plan there was a vast scheme of emigration ; and upon confiscated for its poverty, and the industry of Ireland to
iof the measure, would not ten= in his amendment. He that subject the commission would have to centend with he made to support the indolence of Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
would not enter into any argument on the subject of man- the influence of the Roman catholic clergy, who would not Mr. Fairfl Id stated in his evidence, that the rate in aid
sing the navy, but would inertly state that no alteration in submit to have their flocks expatriated, and the obstacles would be doubled or trebled in a short time ; and the lords,
the nem would be made, except after the most mature which they meed and would throw in the way of the corn• in their report, added that it would reader culivetion un-
deliberate:a. Without entering upon that for ie he should mission would bs quite insuperable. (He er, hear.) Bat, c ruin, prevent the demand for labour and the production
merely express his hone that the amendment would be with- beyond all this, he believed that the propositions of the eight of human food. It was therefore evident that it was not by
dr • wes, to be must offer it his most strenuous opposition. hon. baronet and of the boo. member for Manchester (Mr. a rate in aid that a limited liability, with a view to promot-
Mr. HUME =commended his hon. friend to withdraw the Billet) were based on a wrong tries:Jen, for they darted leg the wenn of land, was to be secured to the purchaser.'
amendment. en the supposition that the landlords of every country It was equally evident to him that it was the poor law,
After a few words from Mr. !WARD() and Captain F. were the puttee who employed the labourers of that for which that hones was responsible, that had brought
HOMILI.Lir, the amendn.ent was by leave withdrawn. country. Now, he believed that the departure of ebtut this state drain. Without it, there would not have
smell capitalists from Ireland, which had been so much been greeter distress in Ireland, not leis generosity on the
Mn. LABOLICHERE then stated, with reference to the deplored,the boonwhich was greatest could be conferred part of England—but there would have been this difference.
dame whisk the right hen. soutisman opposite bad to move upon the bona fecle lab rent, because these capitalists had that the
Lyman would not have been driven from their
In iiset of Manes 14, that he had no ejection to the den never employed labourers, hut had tilled their lands with lands, nor the capitalists driven from the country, end the
=
ad
of it whisk provided " that it shall be lawful Le her the help of their own immediate families. leads left ruinous and desolate as they were. He now came
in easacil, upon an addles' or joint address, as the •
iller nay be, from the legislative counci4 or council sad sr no objeetien to to the third necessity of capital in Ireland.
Col. RAWDON said that he should Dave •
sumbly, or proper legielative authority, of say British pos• the rate in aid, provided it were proposed in the Writ in If they made those changes which were admitted
essiee, previa' bat Majesty to authorise the cannon* of which the ast of union had been brought forward by Mr.to be necessary, and showed that capital might'
Nosh NA from one part dutch peneine to an. tet premised that thin an identity of ir- 3 M. with semi ty n re an ,he
Pit- be should be ' b in ed ri i I 1 d believed 1
Um pmt meth pommies in ether than British ship to termite between the two e entries, and that Ireland should that in the natural course of things, capital would
declardis;eill seder in counc that seek conveyance shelf he he treated in the same manner as Yorkshire or Lancuhire. low into that country. When thy observed that
an eeserdiagly, in such terms and under seek eandi.. Now, if the rate in aid were an imperial impost, extending capital was employed is this country under all encumstances
time as tither Majesty shall soma good." be, with regard• over Ireland, England, and Sentlaad, for the relief of the —and often at groat risk—it was not assuming too much to
to the snot= section of the proposed dams, he emild not distress ia Coensught, he was sore that the Irish "MU- my that it would readily be employed in Ireland, which
oo„ot to it either to justice to thoookmma co having mud tuencies would have paid their share in common with the presented a far more tempting and profitable fit li for the
to the principle of the tell. two other countries. He was also certain that if the pose outlay of capital than any ot our colonies. (Hear, hear.)
lion of 'rider= were changed, and that they Were called There was •deas of men whom good and useful qualities
Mr. OLADETONE expressed his cameo to adopt the upon to relieve English distress, they would, with their were distinguishable in every country, and who were peril.
sursestion ot the right hen. gentleman, natural generosity of heart, have coutributed to the relief =lady desired in Ireland• he meant small proprietors.
The bill, with amendments. wes then agreed to; and the of their destitute h ethren. Ile hoped, therefore, that he They. were uniformly found to be the best class ; and who-
third reading weal/Led for Monday next. should stand acquitted of any charge of inhumanity when he the, in Switsoland, in Norway, in Flanders, in Belgium, or
RELIEF OF DISTRESSED UNIONS (IRELAND). declared that he should vote against the present proposition in France, their cultivation was Invariably the best. Sack
On the modem 01 Lard J. Rneenth, the knee then re- of the government, and also against the imposition of an in- being the case, it was desirable to take every means of (e-
-volved itself into a committee, for the purport of beeriest a come tax, because the peculiar ffircumetances of Irish pea- couraging this der. Ho would do it by dune resources
statement from the treasury bin* reepeWng an admire to perty were sack as to render it impossible that any ad- which government were prepared to extend to the improve.
the distressed anions in Ireland. anneal burdens could be borne, and it was not in the power men of other kinds of property—by making advances to
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose and eft People to Pay any leeeelle of tesefeut (Hear ) He those to whom advances could beneficially be made. Already
nerved that be bed not much more to say then what wee pted against the manner in which the diernsation of there were two classes of loans in Ireland under acts of paella-
*needy known to the house 05 the subject of the resolution providence in Ireland had been treated by the imperial par- meat—loans to landed proprietors forl the improvement et
which he bad to Meow. The house wee aware of the Vastest. He was bound he proton anima it. Ile bad still their estates, and small sums advanced by loan societies to
urgent aeeeesity for affo.ding relief to some of the unless in ringing in his ears the memorable expression of a right hon. enable poor tradesmen to carry on their basing= He would
the west el Intend, and they were apprised of the terms of baronet of that house, that it weld be tantamount to a establish a third class of leans, more wholesome and nee
the reerlatiee ter advancing 100,0001. ester the Consolidated semene of death to reins the gnat of 60,0001. He finial than either of these. It was notorious that the desire
I Fund, to be sear= on the rate in aid about to be imposed (Calomel Hayden) 'reseeded the difficulty =Mitten had for the possession of land was a passim in Ireland ; and
on Irish landed property. There were ore or two eir. had in getting the 50,0001. voted. When he read- amongst the farmer class in that country there wee
enneueneee whisk he might mention, in order to meow tested the Imilliers of mom y granted for commercial more capital than was generally believed. These men
the absolute necessity that existed for the money interests in this country, of width, be was sorry to say, Ire- were desirous, if they could do it securely, to become
to be bed. The poor law authorities in Ireland mere- lend bad had little share, he must say that it was ingratitude proprietors of land, payers of interest on loan, instead of
as that the money must be immediately forthcoming and (m icy on the puts f the imperial parliament to stand payers of rent; and to them small sums might be advanced,
Hem people are not to be suffered to perish, whatever might thus Uffling as it were when death was at the doer. (Hear, to enable them to complete their purchases—the repayment I
be the way in which the Hens should orderit to be teem& hear.) He was satisfied that the straggle the ministry had of the loan beirg secured upon the land, and the power of
The different inspectors of the Western Unions bad sent in had to obtain the grant of 50,0001. was productive of a pre- subletting and subdivision being strictly limited. Thus
tops% of Iles state of their districts. At Carrick-onelhaeuen judicial effect on the country. might a most wholesome clue of proprietors be introduced,
A e iesessilst wrote to say, that with a weekly expenditure of Mr. HORSMAN could not consent, and he hoped the whose habitsof industry were greater than those of any
3gol. a week, be could only get 1001. out of the local Moo, house would not content, to consider the present as tee mere other cies, and who were mere interested in keeping down I
The ['specter of the Bantry Union had been obliged to give discussion of an Irish question. He believed hon. members pauperism sod preserving the peace. He fund by a return
hit personal guarantee for the payment of the wheat, flour, were becoming far too much =re to the nature and extent that no less than 1,870,0001. had been advanced in a single
and mess, neonsary to feed the poor. At B.llinrobe then of the crisis which had arrived to feel that Irish discussion, year, by the loan societies, to poor tradesmen; for eight or
was an accumulation of debts of 4,0001. At Serineford, the orefeseed by those who poems= an Intimate knowledge o ten years together, the advances bad ranged from one to two
factors had absolutely refused to grant any further credit for the subjects, could not be carried on any longer without millions ; the number of societies had been extended to 300,
the supplies. He enured the house that this state being advantageous to the hone generally. He could not and they made a profit of not less than 100,0001. These loses
of things did not arise from any want of exertion support the amendment, and he was one of Owes who were all on personal security; that which he therosed would
on the rut of the boards of asardime—ea the astray, thought that what Ireland wanted was rat a rate ie aid, be on the best possible Bounty, be: than that of the
during the bet fourteen mouths Yew kadeelkesed la is the but a policy. (Hear, hear.) The principle of a rate in aid rate in aid, or of mortgaged estates in Connemara. It
pound on a rateable property if soog. at 90,0001. It win had been already sanctioned by the house ; and the question would be, in fact, a double security- not only a security
right he should state to the hone what amounts had been now under consideration was one of a smaller for the repayment of the loan, but a security against the
advanced out of the 50e001. greeted early in the session. In and narrower nature. They wen asked to advance a flight of small cmitaliets to Arne: ic ~ from which Ireland
seventeen unions there had been advanced 38,8001. He hsd stem of money upon the security of the rate in aid. Now, was now suffering so much. It would be a more wholesome
authorised last week the advance of 5.0001. more—making in what was the value of that nudity, because in that con• species of :can fee this reason—it would extend loans to
the whole 43,8001. betted by the Telemetry in addition to the listed the whole difference between a loan and a gift ? He smell Peorietors, and oeutract those to large ones. The
12,0001. distributed by the British Association previous to held a copy of the evidence taken with reference to the system ot lending to large proprietor' was
te vicious one ;
the neuters of parliament. S. that it would be perceived security in his hand, and he confessed his surprise that no s 'veiling was vicious wt kb enabled them go on under
the 50 ,000 grant was nearly all expended. Another week allusion had hitherto been mettle to that evidence. It was their embarrassment", and kept their estates out of the mar-
would =bent the entire fund. He appealed to those who most impoettnt testimony, as doming q
ua officials employed ket. (Hear, hoar.) But by the loans to small proprietor:l,
were cognisant of the state of the western enions, whether the by therm
oovvernment, government, and et en well acqinted with the sub- Industry would he stimulated and prudence inciered ; and
eons. enema would not be horrid if three were to be • int ; and upon the velidlty of the security of the rate in he hoped that when the plan of the right hon. baronet the
enastaten of amistance i He therefore beeped to move that a aid for the lore it wes else, consistene and conclusive. m, ether for Tamworth was more fully developed, the en-
sum. cot *needier 100,0001., be advanced out of the Co.e It raised the whole
.question of the p liey of the rate in c turegement of smell proprietors would form a part
validated Food, mtho security of the rate in gat for the aid, and this again raised the whole question of of it. Then, a suggestion had been made as