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c in which considerable inconvenience had occurred. The I was considered the outside difference, and for himself h se
into the colonies I believed that 10e. was much nearer the trutb.
real qunti" wee-W"
the mg"' imported
it id After a few wo as u
or was it not? It was known that it was, and that pa I' from Lord 0. BaNTINCI. and al
the duty. How then could any man be cal. led upon. to pre- I Mrthgeoe in explanation, On dutr of 181. was substituted* g
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count warrant stating that his sager was imported into tibia foe 19s. 6d. In the next item 6s. wan substituted for
contry from count* a into which foreign sugar was not im-
ql7use.nedo..,ofasoadmc:r:essecpounrsedinigeschaiiangd mmistweare.mo:Linne:eivtersette hi
ported ? How cou'd perliameat pees au act that would lead other items up to a certain point, beyord which, it coom. I
to warrants hearing falsehood on the face of them ? a
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weTreheca upon to state was that the importation of foreign On the motion of Mr. Ca aDWILL the bill we committed
AIIudTTORN EY GENERAL said that all that parties bill, the committee did not proceed.
of the EXCHEQUER said 11. 0
b
sugar into the colonies was prohibited-not that it was not proforma, with a view to its being reprinted • thechairman
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the difference oetween what reported sad the house resumed. '
Mr. BARELY hoped that the Chancellor of the Emit. e
Nasinftblesheton."'moved that after the words quer would bring the bill under the consideration of te.,
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Britishthere posses-
ins house holoseheascsHooAnNat poevaliboteß.
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sated" "growth
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, done." oix*lrmir any otehneBr"
would do so, bat it could not be brought Mtwara on Monday, a
I Alter a desultory convenation, in which the Chancellor Lurd J. RUSSELL said that he had given notice et- • s
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of die Exchequer, Mr. Gladstone, and other members measure of great importance tor to-mnrrow (Smurdayo with
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I joined, the committee Melded on Mr. Goulburn's amend- which he should feel it necessary to proceed without fee or
delay. (Hear, hear.)
I meat. 1
1 Fer the amendment
1 Against it 73-45 On the motion that the hones resolve itself into .
I The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER the
re rose mittee of supple, a coo,
Ito propose an alteration in the duties levied upon fined Mr. KEOGH rose to bring forward the motion of which
sugar, and referred to a question which had been put by the he had given notice two months ago, relative to the 1
non. member foe laomiuster (Mr- tinkly), who had en mode of striking the jury in the ease of teen
pressed his belief that these duties were not fixed fairly in Mitchell:, and said that the intuit which had been
proportion with the duties levied on muscovado sugar.. If offered to the Roman Cathcl;c population, was aggro.
this were so, it woubl be productive of a practical objection. Yates by the circumstances in which that criminal -was
But this was a question which referred only to one Part of involved, for it showed, however clear the cam spinet boo
1 the duties ; for it was notorious that the colonists did not that the Roman Catholic population of Ireland were ec
e;
o'
refine, and unless there was a permission to refine in bond sidered as unworthy to be treated even when feting 'rod
no colonial' relined sugars would ever he used in this country, the solemn obligation of en oath. The mode of select
After a full inquiry into the subject he was of opinion juries was theoretically the same in Ireland as in selecting
that the duty on refined gegen had always been the law under which they were chosen being melee";
peen the high-that was, assuming that the same namely, the 3rd and 4th of Will. IV. But he was preemie
amount of duty should be paid on sugar which was to prove that in etiry transaction connected with the case of
refined as would have been paid on the raw sugar refined John Mitchel, now a convict in II rounds, from the original
not in bond. With regard to the admission of Dutch sutler, selection of thee, anel to the time of trial in the bee, thee*
it had always been held that any article manufactured in a had been a grs itivm sit toe due adminioration of
country should he taken as the produce of that country, let lice. (Hear, hear.) And, first of ali, he logoted to call the
it be grown where it might. England had always insisted, attention of the house to the sect that in Ireland the sheriff,
in every case in which she had "the most favoured nation" who was appoint te
dby the crown, had the striking el e
clause, on the admission of our manufactures witaout re- jury.list. 'the prmtice was different in this coact and
ference to the place whence the raw matere I had been pro- particularly in the City of London. The names of those who
cured.
he The matter had beed 1035 in this emote) were
the toas jurors were collected in a book called
on e very question of theen adonarguvoionin of foreign sugar re- jurorsqualified' book fort the city of Duelist. It so happened eme
fined in this counts) to the West India possessions ; and the the jurors' book for the present year contained 4,570 maim
decision then was, that, no matter where the sugar was Of these 2,965 were Roman esthetics, and 1,635 were pro.
grown, it must be held to have become the produce of this testanta. There wr
est therefore more than two &man
country,. and was so admitted into the West India colonies. esthetics for every protant in the jurors' book. From that
This principle was most distinctly laid down ; aid he had. book it was the duty of the sheriff to select such
therefore, not thought it necessary to re-enact an exclusion a number of names ae would be sufficien. to
which it was impossible to maintain. He now proposed that try all the offenders during the commitsion. la
the tate of duty at which foreign sugar came into this counts, this particular cam the oneriff selectee 150 names,
should be the same as that at which the same sugar was in- which selection was made by the sheriff versoually,
troduced here to be refined. Two objections were raised to and not by ballot ; and it followed that more than
this-one by the refiners', who complained of the Dutch 4tol of the jurors selected were pretentious. There
bounty ; the other by the shipping interest, on the pound of was something very singular about this. Hy the set
the navigation laws. But there was no ground for saying of parliament the sheriff, when he selected the panel, was
that the Dutch refiners had any advantage from their bound to Mon it, and the summonses was obliged to summon
bounty over the English refiners, who were al- the jurors an days before the
trial. Now the
, trial or Kr.
lowed to refine in bond. A proof of this was Mitchel took place on the 20th. Some jurors were sure
the fact that the Dutch refiners had applied to their moned
on the Ilth, some oil the 13tb, and when those sum.
government to be allowed to refine in bond. As to the mon on the last day came into court it was found that they
navigation law', their operation would er obably only be for were not on the panel for Mr. Mitchel's trialatall. Nowell*
another year,
_and they would not cause a difference ot above
Is. a cwt. (Hear, hear.) The only other party who could
complain was the West India producer ; and, from the in-
en the 13th that Mitchel was arrested, met ho inference,
there fore, was, that either a new panel had beet subsituted, or
the sheriff had not igned that erem which th jure* wile
formation he had received from a variety of sources, he was selected. (Hear, hear.) Umie Mitchel's Mid,
, a eta ement
"maned to believe that the proceeds of the foreign gape was made by counsel in open f ourt, wnieh he was bound to
refined in bond paying 20s. duty would be rather above say would have h.d its due weight in ttis country. It was
les ; hence the colonist would have the same protection said, openly and unreservedly, that the brother of the attor-
against the foreign sugar refined here in bond as he had
Wet
foreign sugar generally. It wax Mee to be obterved, rwriythgethneer
that the greater the proceeds of the refined sugar the higher is:auto! ITreu.eand, who acted as clerk, had tampered
high sheriff eas examined as to the
preparation of the pat el. His mowers were anything but utie
duty would it have to pay. He proposed, then, to reduce the ta-oory. lie said, to the best ei• his belief, it was regularly
duty on oolooial double-refined sugar from 19s 6d. to 18s., prepared, that it was prepared before the 13th, and that it
and on sinelohn fined from 17s. 4d. to 16s. In this case, as was all prepared in one day. But the under sheriff, in to
in that of the foreign sugar, it would make lit, le difference to examination, contradicted all this. That gentleman sail
the Owner of the sugar whether he paid the duty on it in the that he prepared the lists, and that its preparation occepiei
raw or refined state. By these means he hoped to extend him two da os. Two gentlemen were selected to inquire
the consumption of sugar, and at the same time to consult the whether the jurors were (aide chosen or not. They decided
interests of the colonists. He proposed now to take
the reductions of 19s. 6d. and 17s. 4d. to 18s. and 16s„ and
also those in the first column. In the third column be ad
mitted there were soma inaccuracies, though nit to such an
extent as was imputed by the noble lord; and he should take that tbey were, and the sheriff further stated that they were
selected for their superior wealth and respectability. Well,
what followed ? It turned out that of the whole 150te
the panel only 28 were Roman cmholies ; that, in Owen%
78 names only four were of that faith, and that all the
time to consider the effect of these more fully. lie now rest were put at the bottom of the lista. (Hear, hem) Bat
moved the reduction of 19s. 6d. to Its. it would be said that this was accidental, and that the sheedfs
Mr. GL
lay contended that the government had impartiality was not impugned. He would, however, state
no right to lay down the principle that sugars should only a fact which would prove that the arrangement could oat
be regarded according to the country of their manufacture, have been accidental, or as some alleged alphabetical. Than
and not that of their production. He questioned whether were two jurors in Dublin named Moore. both resident ix
Hold was entitled to have her sugars refined in the East the same street. carrying on the same basins, and being d
Indiesi admitted on the same terms as those refined in Bel- equal respectability. One was a protestant, the other we
i gium. A country had a right, if it chose, to take a duties-
quieseed in by us. There were also traces of it in our own a catholic. The name of the protestant Moore was 12th es
; tohne Ithhet,
trial of Frost, it having been antic d that a panel we
laws. By the act of 1832, sugars refined in •England from arranged alphabetically, objection was teken to it, note
' Lion founded on the place where the article was produced that of the Roman catholic Moore was placed N 0.121
that distinction had been taken by ether countries, and ace How differently were not things conducted in England?
colonial sugar were made admissible to the North American being evidence of partiality, but as blog unusual. Lord
colonies free of duty, while those sugars refined from foreign Campbell, who appeared tor the crown, acquiesced ate
sugars were subjected to a duty of 10 per .cent. Again, bI objection, and the names were put into a ballot box sad
the 5& 6 Viet., c. 47, the manufactures of the Channe drawn by lot. Very different was the conduct of the !sad
Islands made of foreign materials were deemed the produce Attorney General upon the trial of Mr. Math& Us
of foreign countries, and held to be imported from such like Lord Campbell, he made no attempt to testes
couneries. 'I herefore, if we recognised that principle as the balance. On the contrary, having and exercising then*
against ourselves, we were perfectly entitled to do so with of peremptory challenge, he challenged, out of 71 jams
regard to foreign countries, in the way proposed by the who attended, no less than 39, of whom eighteen wee
th
noble lord. Roman caelics, lied they were the only Recoil cathodes
Mr. CARDWELL deemed it necessary to a thoroughwho answered to their names. Let him observe, in noise,
apprecia. ion of this subject that the committee should have that this right of peremptory challenge was a very arbitrary
some knowledge of the conditions and circumstances under one. It was condemned by Sir Michael O'Leghles, te
which government proposed that refining in bond was to be present Lord Chancellor Brady. lie (Mr. Keogh) wee not
carried on; and of this information they were destitute. In anxious that partisans on any side should be chosen, bet le
the proposed reduction of duty from 19s. 6d to 18e. every- asked the government to give one sufficient resins whythse
thing depended on the accuracy of the calculatio7 a ; 1 f
-or io eighteen Roman catholic" had been set aside. Be had sash
unfortunately, a mistake were made, the consequences' every ioquiry, and he wee prepared to state that ten oat d
would be WOE ruinous to the refiners of this country,. owing the eighteen were totally unconnected with political Imo*
to the intimate way in which the question was mixed up tions of any kind. (Cheers.) lie now came to the moot
with that of the Dutch refiners. He thought that longer serious part of the case. If there had been only cee
time ought to have been given to consider the trial it would have been bad enough, but it hap
alteration now proposed. He had understood the pened that there had been four juries smack Wes
impression amongst practical men, as to the Ms. Eld• that to which he had been alluding. Two wet
and 245. Sd. on foreign sugar, to he, that the alteration the juries for trying Messrs. O'Brien and Meagher, and two
would operate unfavourably towards our own trade. were struck to try Mitchel for sedition, hut that charge we
d.
Not only oughtthe committee to be in possession ado
cad n when the conviction for :deny was
struck off i loathe
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of the calculations whence these results were drawn, but the case of Mr. O'Brien, of the twelve jurors be
they should also know what regulations it was proposed to the croAn te were Roman
of est
them con meter lice, l men ofth any Feb'
bigkeg
apply to the trade of the refiner. Would the Chancellor of respectabilityn , and not one al
ed wi
tee Exchequer have any objection to lay the calculations tied association. lie would contrast this with what lel
before the committee ? 'The reduction on colonial refined taken place at Mr. O'Connell's trial in 1844, a ems wbickload
sugar would be inoperative for a considerable time ; and so much excited the anger of hon. and rightenn. endorses
before the reduction from 265. Etd. to 245. M. on toren opposite. On that trial ten Roman catholic.; were Wra#
srellearrr.edtte house ought to have the information he ha from the jury list by the crown, but of those, eight were se.
'' mitted to be members of the Repeal Association, the math
Mr. BARELY said the duty of 245. Bd. on refined was ands igned the requisition for the monster meeting ATM
equivalent to • duty of 18s. 6d. on raw sugar. Refining in and the tenth was struck off without knowledge of his MO
bond might be an excellent thing for the colonies in proem Rion to make up the necesiary legal number. (Homeliest)
ot timemeanwhile care must to. taken of our own Now, there was no lemon why the noble toed M the heeid
refinere, and they must not be exposed to the competition of the government should not look at these matters in then*
the Dutch refiners. It had been strongly argued that the light in 1848 as he had done in 1814. (Rear, hear.) Is
Dutch bounty was no advantage to the refiners of that ooun- that year (1844) the noble lord said, that the conduct of *
try ; but he knew that in foreign countries the British re- government Mt striking off the ten Roman catholic" eel
finer was every year more unable to enter into competition such am to deprive the legal proceedings ot all moral weigkt
with his Dutch rivals. It was a remarkable fact, that since or value, (Hear, hear.) When a motion was then mstle
the alterations proposed had been made known some api • hostile to the government, the noble lord paired in favour of
talists in the City had been stimulated to subscribe 70,0001. it, although he had not herd the case or the jentifiesties.
tor resuscitating the Dutch refinery of M'Queen and Co. Why wasnot the noble lord then in his place ? (Hem, heed
This could not but inflict a great injury on the British He had been there that evening to propose his third cow*
refiners as well as on the colonists. bill against Ireland. (Loud cheers.) tie would wisest'
Mr. J. WILSON mid the question was simply whether a his /Mice to proceed with that bill, although ashen mon*
duty of 245. ted. on reined was equivalent to a duty of 20s. and a hall in office, he had declared that he menly
on raw mem. Formerly, them duties hld been levied on Ireland without goveraing it ; and yet when Mel:
no principle whatever. Government had taken great pains under discussion was a direct insult to the cede&
to ascertain the exact pr. duce of a hundredweight of sugar, people of Ireland, it was not deemed of sad*
and the result of their inquiries was, that the duties which importance to detain the noble lord. (Hear, hear.) illt
they proposed to fix on foreign single and double-refined right hen. baronet the seeretary tor the home deputes*
sugr of 26. 88. and 24. Bd.s, were exactly equivalent to also gave his opinion on that occasion in concur** elk
the d'uty ofs s
20s. on the raw ugar. The subject of the that of the noble lord. But that was not all. Vedeesale*
bounty said to be enjoyed by Dutch refiners had been bees of the government had, in 1844, express=
imported into this discussion ; but he considered that it opinions in Dublin relative to the striking of Mr.
was /quite '
_beside the question before the committee. jury. Without twenty four ho
against the of the*,
and only applied to the 'agar refined for home consumption. attorney-general, and among the foremost names ta 111!
.1 hat point had long ago been reached ; and hence the requisition were those of the present Master of the WOOS
Dutch refiners bad petitioned the government to be allowed the present Attorney-General. (Cheers.) There wasehet*
to refine in bond, as was done by the English refiners. The name of Mr. Redington, the present underasereenteolli
woe of the Dutch refiners referred to by the bon. member Ireland-be was glad to see that his rioht hon. hiseletee
who had last spoken bad no reference whatever to this gun- chief secretary repudiated the cocnemon. (Chests I*.
lion ; for the arrangements had been made three weeks be- laughter.) The kon. and learned member quoted the WO*
fore the government plan was known. The right hon. of the right hon. the member for Dungarvan, on the WOO
gentleman opposite (Mr. Gladstone) had correctly laid down alluded to, exhorting the people to memorialise the c,
the principle that we were entitled, on entering into treaties, both houses of parliament mail* what the speaker styling
to make what conditions we chose ; but it should he remem- unconstitutional and illegal conduct of the govereaMA
bered that the question referred to a treaty already in exist- Mr. Wyse, the late Secretary to the Board of Control,*
nee-tot one about to be made. With respect to the naviga- spoke, and asked what would be void in England if per,/
tion laws, he held in his hand a price current of Cuba, b
1 were struck off the jury because of their religious opieireei
which he found that the difference between the privileged and (Hear, hear.) But Mr. Redington, the Roman catholic*
unprivileged flees amounted only to 15e. per ton, or 9d. per cretary for Ireland-he felt that it would be quite unwire!
cwt. He denied that the British refiner would have any of the faith he professed, making it a matter of faith-Oleg.
ground of complaint with the scale now proposed. and a laugh)-that the course ministers were adopt*
safety to Oa.
Lord G. BENTINCK had heard the proposed reduction would bring neither credit to the crown norm .
on British refined sugar with great pleasure. This, accom- state. (Hear, hesr.) There was ety another name e oe
emission to the colonists to refine in bond, mention, as that of a gentleman who was present at the cams
partied with the permission a
for reland ( em)
would be a great boon; but he regretted to hear that the meeting-the present Attorney-Generall . „
measure would occupy a long time in its preparation. He i When the motion brought forward by Lord NormanY
was convinced, from the statements made to him by an ex- the House of Lords condemning.the conduct of the gob
s'
tensive merchant, that the protection afforded by the nevi- meet of the right hon. Mivednna
and in strikiprotestng R 391116
on five cathe*
gation laws was equivalent to 2s. 6i, per cwt.; and he could off the jury was nectati, a u
uyge:iet,:
only account for the statement of the hon. member for West- was entered on the journals of the ho ae
that protest, la
bury, that the difference of rates at Havaunah was only 9d. that decision, the second name to ~,,.
per cwt., by supposing that the parties who freigbted the for all the reasons, was " Clarendon." (Cheueurst.)o /I ,
uunrivileged ships, deceived by the large promiaes of our had grounds far stronger and more urgent th h coner
when in °Pr'
whio government, had supposed that their vessels would be of the members of the present government _ . ~,
..,,,
admissible here as soon es they arrived, owing to the natiga- tion in favour of this motion. Was there nothing ! ere
tion laws having been repealed, He was led to the conclu- present condition of Ireland to warn the bowie mans: Ilene
sion that the Dutch refiners would, by this means alone, en- mg, by any act of theirs, a belief in the minds of th
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joy a protection of 2s. 61. a cwt., beside' their bounty, which of that country that the law of England had been re ,`'.
he must still regard as a bounty. He had in hie hand two them, not as a blessing and s , boon not as a law to oe s,
but as a mein *
specimens of Dutch sugar; one of these was at 235. in this mint itered impartially and eddy to all, . . .
market on Saturday last, but which roseafter the oppression, •ol for the purpose of obtaining
o prevent tan sr
alteration proposed by the government. The other sped- fraud and connirance-(ear, hear)-t ~ ..._
men had risen from 21e. 2d. in bond to 245. Bd. With re- cueed of p 'Mind offences from being trod Mine 2,
gad to the Dutch treaty sod the assertion of the government juries impartially chosen, and to enable to l7ts-
that the Dutch were entitled to insist on the admission of secutor, while pretesting against pa
. of moll IMO
sugar refined by them, though not the produce et their own favour of the prisoners to theme a jury
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country, how was that to be reconciled with the fact that opinions are known to be adverse to him ? Thishts`e7.
which tene
the government, up to the 30th of May, were resolved to course Pursued in regard to the jury t .
ve
ore/
maintain the act of 1846, which contained a clause that the Mitchel. It was said that the object oes OMI nee
ealth Why be had looked at the
shipmaster or consignees of foreign vessels were to prove respectebility and w • , . . , „one dot
that the sugar to be imported at the lower rate of duty was of the jury by which the prisoner WWI tried, army; _ ree
Dona fide the growth and produce of the country from some of them had been bankrupt or insolvent withtmsfe;
which it was forwards? (Hear, hear.) They dealt in that years previous. And lot these were men isleMe_ fe7e
manner with regard to Cuba, Porto Rico, Breen, and their wealth and respectability, while other me
in, 7.°_.° ;;,.
own Btish pomesmons and it was a most monstrous absur- men of undoubted wealth and mph _",,,a
dices for Holland to expect to be treated in • more favoured rejected. The right hon. gentlemen opmenteuhea‘emooreee,r
manner than their own possessions. (Hear, hear.) their plaices by the cry that they would eia
reland unless moo*
Mr. MITCHELL thought that the noble lord had greedy to any measure of coercion fee
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measure. ~....0.,
exaggerated the difference of freight ceased by the navista- by great and sweeping remedial rrxioieoe
tion laws when he made it 21. 10s. He believed that 255. ever excuse there ought have in 1816