The Express.
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lii I'ERIAL PARLIAMENT.
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PETITIONSSENTED.
1111CCLEsIMITIvAL TITLES Ass BILL.—By
_the
Eut of LOXSDALE. from several place.; Earl NELSON.
from the meaty of Wilts; the Earl of MOUNTCASHEL,
from severd places; Earl WALDEORAVE, the Bishop
of OXFORD, several, from the county of Gloucester, is
farmer of this bill.
11111,01tTATION or FOREIGN OILAIL—By the Earl of
WAitwicK, from millers, aphis' the importation of
foreign greis.
Two CSTSTAL PALACIL—By the Earl of CARLISLE,
from places in the county of Northumberland, from Wake-
field, Barnsley, sad Thorne, in the county of York, and
from Kensington; Earl NELSON, from Knightsbridge, in
brow of the retention of the Crystal Palace.
WREXHAM IMPROVEMENT BILL.
Earl TALd
bBOT moved the re-committal alibis bill, which
was oppose y Lord Canto's, sod after a desultory con-
Isrsatauu their lordships divided, whea tM samba rs were
Coutents
St
Non-contents
; against the re-committal of the bill —2.5
INDIA

then mad the oath of suitor's ha the mime manner until
ho reached the eoseinsion, whoa he omitted the words,
" On she true faith of • Christian." This called forth a
loud cry of "Order."
The CLIORK, advancing to the chair, said—Sir, the hoe.
gentleman did not repeat the words on the true faith of
• Christian," in the oath.
SALOMONS-1 have omitted—(loud cries of Or-
' er,, order.")
'the SPEAKER—The hon. gentleman having omitted
from the form of the oath words prescribed by law, it is
my duty to inform him that he must retire below the bar.
(Loud cheers.)
Mr. Salomon' attempted to read a parchment docu-
ment, but the shouts of Order order," were so loud that
be failed to make himself heard. Rolling up the web-
meat, therefore, he pushed it on the table towards the
Clerk, walked to the gangway on the ministerial side of
the house and took his seat by Sir W. Molesworth. This
was' the signal for • tremendous cry of "Order." [The
document which the hoe. gentleman read was as follows
I have now taken the oaths in the form and with the
ceremonies that I declare to be binding on my conscience, in
accordance with mat. I & 2 Vie. cap. 105, I now demand
to subscribe to the oath of abjuration and to declare to my
property qualification."]
Mr. SALOMONS—I beg leave— (Increased uproar.)
The SPEAKER—The hon. gentleman must be aware
that no hon. member can sit in this house, or vote, unless
he has taken the oath of abjuration as prescribed by law.
That oath has not been taken by him in the sense in which

and learned member has adopted. I don't dila I am be-1
trailing much confidence in saying that ten miming before
I came into the house, I mentioned to bin the course I
proposed to pursue, and the Iwo. and leassei gentleman
expressed his full concurrence in that ermree. I hope we
shall not go now into the whole question, and that perhaps
in its most objectionable form. 1 trust the hon. gentleman t
will not object to withdraw his motion' and I must say I
think I;have some little reason to complain. (Rear.)
Sir F. THESIGER.—I trust I may be allowed to ezplain.
I admit what the right hon. gentleman has said is correct,
and I have not the slightest objection to the adjournment of
the question; but when the hon. member for Middlesex said •
I was exceeding the proper limits I felt it necessary to con-
clude with a motion which would give the house to under-
stand precisely the course which I shall take OA Monday
next, when this subject is again brought forward„f,er dis-
cussion. (Hear.) I have not the least desire—
Mr. ANSTEY—I rise to order. (Cries of "Oh, oh.")
The hoc. gentleman is travelling into matter wtich is not
eaplanative. (Oh, oh.)
The SPEAKER said that any hon. gentlemanwho made
a motion was entitled to reply. (Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I hope I
may he permitted to interpose fur a moment. Ls it is evi-
dent that there is an angry feeling arising, I tryst we shall
not enter into the discussion now, fur I am muesli will ad•
mit that it is not desirable to debate the question in a state
of excitement. (Cnecro.)
Sir F. THESIGER—I do not intend to continue the dis-
mission, and the course I have adopted has been almost
forced of - me. -.) I should not have made the

Majority
THE WEST COLONIES AND THE SLAVE
TRADE.
The Bishop of OXFORD, in presenting • petition from
planters of Barbadoes, and another from St. Christopher's
compleining of the grievous injury done to their property
by the continuance of the slave trade, whereby Breed and
Cuba were kept supplied with slaves, took occasion to ob.
serve that he learned with great satisfaction, from what had
been stated in another place, the great success that had
attended our
IMP OR attempts to sto
ON p that accFLOUß.ursed traffic.
TATI OF
The End of STRADISROKE presented a petition from
the millers of the south of Ireland praying for the imposi-
tion of • duty on foreign flour. From returns it appeased
that the exportation of dour from Ireland to Liverpool bed
&lien off three-fourths as compared with what it wee k
184.5.
Earl GRANVILLE said he wee far from denying that
there ass not at present great distress among the millers in
the south of Ireland, but he pretested against any attempt
by legielation to improve the condition of the milers as a
dem
After some conversation, in which Lords Redeedsle and
Deniers, and Earls Granville, Urey, and Cilsomall, took'
part, the petitions (Lord Glengall had presented several)
were or dercd to lie on the table.
THE INHABITED HOUSE DUTY BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the second read-
ing of this bill. Their lordships, he said, would be aware
that the imposition of a house duty as provided by this
bill was to prevent the continued imposition of the window
duty, which for a great number of years it had been
Nought highly important to relieve the country from.
Considerable benefit would be derived by the middle classes
of society upon whom the window Me bad hitherto pressed
with much severity.
Lord MONTEAOLE accepted the bill as a repeal of
permanent taxation to the amount of between eleven and
twelve hundred thousand pounds. There might, however,
be exception taken to the repeal of taxation which was con-
sidensl of a permanent nature, while the income tan,
which wu not of this nature, had only been
voted for one year. Many. of the higher elms of
mansions, which under the window duty paid a large
sum, would now be charged much less, and on this ac-
comet the objection might be raised that the new
mode of taxation pressed less severely on the higher
than on some of the middle claws. lane in country
Litres for instance would pay more than great mansions in
the neighbourhood; bat although there would be dissatis-
faction created in such eases, he could not but consider
that it was perfectly just these inns should pay • larger
amount, for virtually they were more valuable than many
of the manne.' of the rich—they would produce more if
they came into the market. (Meer, bear.) lie did not
like the principle of exempting houses below • given sum.
To the income tan he had objected on the same
ground. The exemption of parties whose income was below
1401. per annum led to the inference that these parties had
no interim in the affairs of the state, and derives' no benefit
from the expenditure on account of the various branches of
the public service.
The Earl of STRADDROKE considered it a decided
injustice that all parties noting premises above 20:, should
be tane-I, while there whose rentals were under that sum,
and olio had their property equally protected, should be
exempted front the burden.
Earl (HWY said the window duty had been repealed,
not only because it had been an unpopular, but also be-
mere it had been a very objectionable tan. The hoots tat,
as imposed, would fall principally on those beet able
to bear the burden. As to the income tax, he bed
formerly esprtued the opinion that incomes under 1601. •
year ought not to be exempted, and that opinion be Mill
maintained. It had been urged that houses under 20f.
should not be exempted, but they had to consider that the
majority of these houses had not been liable to window
duty, and there was a practical inconvenient:* in imposing •
burden on ponies, which they bad net moil:mei, borne.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY had sincere Semen ha
bearing his testimony to the important service which the
government had rendered the country by repealing the
window duty. The tat had interfered most seriously
with the moral and physical well-being of the people.
la the caw of one building with filly tenants under the
sane roof the window tat would have added about 70i. or
SOL to the anneal rental. The relief which had been
aff irdeil was great, and it would result in increased health
and the improved moral condition of the vast proportion of
the community.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE concurred with the
noble earl who bad just sat down as to the improvement in'
the sanitary condition of the people, which must neces-
sarily result from the repeal of the window duty.
The Duke of ARGYLL said the conversation which had
just taken place led to • much larger view of the subject
thin had been fully indicated, and tended to show the great
difficuity of adjusting direct taxation on an equitable foot-
ing Ihe income tan had been reimposed by the late Sir
Rohert )'eel for a specific purpeee, via., to eseilitato the
repeal of other tame. Now that the objest had boas
wailed, he did not see that they could go cm re =
one tan after another, while they malationed the
tan, and kept scolding it on account of its elmonimis
character. The whole movereatie• showed that the tams-
• of the country must, in the as* be of ea indirect
deerription, although he would not dray that • siren
feeling rusted in the country in favour of establiehimg tits
Gonne,s of the country, oo • principle which he conceived
to be our of confiwation. As far as his own opinion=
be was out a protectionist. He approved of the
Odious imposed for the mete purposes of protection, but
be. at the same time, thought that taxes should be levied
over the Isegeat possible surface. That was the soundest
view to taae of indirect taxation, and it was therefore ridi-
culous that articles of general use or consumption should
not be tuned. A great deal of nonsense had been talked
daring the anti-corn-law agitation about the article of food.
He did not conceive that there existed any abstract objec-
tion to • tax en food, any more than a tax on light or •
tax on clothes. They had to raise • certain sum, end the
question came to be, how could they raise it most equitably ?
If the rich ought to pay more than other classes, they could
be tiled on tkrir luxuries, but it was not proper to exempt
ether classes by withdrawing tame from articles generally
used. It was • great evil that government was unable to
act on any one broad principle of finance, and could not
resist dw pressure brought to bear against say unpopular
tax, but were always obliged to succumb.
l'he Karl of CARLISLE did not think that the remarks
of his noble friend (the Duke of Argyll) tended at all to
advance the principles he avowed. The connection between
a tas on the food of the people and the question of protec-
tion was too transparent to be for • mecum doubted.
The bill was then read • Knead time.
GUNPOWDER STORES (LIVERPOOL) EXEMP-
TION REPEAL BILL.
Lord BEAUMONT delivered • report from the com-
mittee on this bill. He said that it bad been thought neces-
sary to remove these gunpowder stores, on account of the
enormous accumulation of gunpowder, and the consequent
extreme danger to the whole town of Liverpool end the
neighbourhood. The stores were not in future to be on
land, but were to be floating ones. The committee recom-
mended that they should be placed under the superintend-
mice of the Ordnance Department. lle was confident
there would be no danger.
Earl GRANVILLE said • few words, which were not
audible in the gallery.
The Turnpike Acts Continuance andthe netlike Trams
Arrangement Bills were severally read a second time, at the
motion of Earl ORAIIVILLI.
The United Church of England and Irani • the
Churches and Chapels ((Ireland) ; and the Ilisintiistisal
Residence. (Ireland) BMs were severally read menial
time, on the motion of Lord MONTIMILII.
The Militia Ballots Suspension; the Amnia Team
Composition ; and the Public Works, Pialgar. 211b1
were severally read • third time and passed, e• the swim
of Earl (11•XVILLI.
THE CRYSTAL PALACE.
The Duke of ARGYLL presented two petitions, one
from Delkeith, and the other from Alice, praying that the
Crystal Palate be maintained.
Their lordshipeadjourned at • quarter to

upon . (Cheers.)
motion had I not found that I was not at liberty to call for
an explanation of the course to be pursued on Monday. I
must beg leave to withdraw my motion, for it Las 'creed its
turn. (Cheers.)
Mr. B. OSBORNE—Am I to understand, then, that
the motion will he moved on Monday ? (Cries cf " Order.")
Sir F. THESIOER—I am afraid that if I answered him,
the hon. gentleman might consider me out of order.
(Loud and long continued laughter.)
The private business was then resumed.
Mr. B. OSBORNE attempted to speak, but was silenced
by cries of " Order." Rising again, he said he claimed it
from the courtesy of the house. (Laughter and cries of
" Oh.") The hon. and learned gentleman seemed to think
that no one but himself had a right to break the orders ref
the house. (Order, order.)
The SPEAKER reminded the hon. gentleman that the
question before the house was the consideration of the
Lords' amendments amine private bills. (Laughter.
Mr. B. OSBORNE—I give notice that I will put the
question—(Order, order.)
The subject then dropped.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
Bath Improvement, Markets, Waterworks, and Bath
Commons or Freemen's Estate; Copper Miners in England
Company; Dublin, Dundrum, and Itathfanthana Railway;
Edinburgh Royal Asylum for the Insane ; lichen Bridge
and Roads • Killarney Junction Railway ; Waterford and
Limerick kailway; and Waterford, Wexford, WickleMs
and Dublin Railway, Bills, were cons dered.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
THE CRYSTAL P•Laes.—By Mr. SANDERS, fromthe
Mayor and inhabitants of Wakefield, against the removal
of the Crystal Palace.
REGISTRATION RILL.-By Mr. BROTHERTON, from
the Freehuidees' Building Society of Manchester, against
the Registration Bill.
Tue MILL Inrsetzert.—By Sir P. NUGENT, from
millers of Westmeath, for a protective duty on foreign
flour.
IRISH BUSINESS.
In answer to Mr. Roche,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER I zed
Thursday next for taking a number of Irish bills.
SUPPLY.
The house then went into a committee of supply.
The first vote was 9,8831. for the House of Indents,.
Dublin, which was agreed to, as were the following :
6001. for the Female Orphans' House, Dublin.
1,750/. for Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dublin.
600,. for the Lying-in Hospital, Dublin.
1,2001. for Dr. Steevens'a Hospital.
3,0401. for the House of Recovery and Fever Hospital,
Dublin.
4001. Hospital of Incurables, Dublin.
38,5601. expense of non-conforming and protestant dis-
senting ministers in Ireland.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS moved that this vote should be
disallowed. A return recently laid before the house showed
that there were 4:51 congregations whose ministers received
this grant ; themcongregationa paid 18,4111. as stipends, or
about 401. a year each congregation. They comprised
86,450 families, or 432,2450 persons, giving an aggregate
payment for each individual to his minister of 41 farthings
per annum. The same return stated that no class of dis-
senters were in the habit of paying so little to their minis-

dreiseeee umiesslimis the act. (Loud cheers.) A case
with precisely the mem circumstances occurred last year,
and I hare only to repeat what I said then, immely, that it
is my duty to direct him to withdraw. (Loud and long-
continued cheering.)
Mr. Salomon' then withdrew to the bar, but remained
within the house, upon which there arose a cry of " Order,"
not less emphatic than its predecessors. The hon. member
appearing to be ignorant of the exact position of that, to
strangers, somewhat mysterious boundary, Mr. J. A.
Smith walked up to him, and conducted him outside
the her.
Sir B. HALL—Sir, I am requested by the bon. member
for Greenwich, who 111 S presented himself at the table for
the purpose of taking the oath prescribed by the act, and by
the forms of this house—arid who has proposed to take that
oath in the manner which is most binding upon his con.
seienee—to declare to you and also to the house, that he
withdraws from the seat which he has lately occupied—
(loud laughter)—in deference to your high authority as
pronouncing the authority of this house. (Hear, hear.)
But, sir, I am also instructed by the hon. gentleman to
Sr F. THESIGER—Sir (cries of " Order ")—I rise to
wrier. (Cheers.) I apprehend, sir, that the worthy alder-
Ines has not obeyed the orders of the house. (Cheers.)
Ile has not withdrawn, but he is at present standing within
OM house. (Cheers) I thought it my duty, sir, to call
dm attention of the house to the circumstance. (Cheers.)
=planation of this remark, it may be stated that Mr.
W gradually approached the house till he had
7 her.
111WS M)PIAKElt—The hem. member must withdraw.
(Cheers.
VG. Beismons immediately retired to the door, and then
be stepped on to the peers' benches.]
Sir B. HALL—At the time the hon. and learned gentle-
men interrupted me—l do not say at all improperly
—I was about to proceed to state that I am
',quested by the hon. member for Greenwich to de-
aler° to the house that his only object in taking the course
which he has adopted was to try his legal right as a repre-
matative of the people sasious to take his scat. It is not
the intention, and it is far from the desire, of the hon.
gentleman to take any course which may be either displeas-
ing or inconvenient to this assembly ; and I have, there-
to's, to put a question to my right boa. friend the Chan-
minor of the Exchequer, in the absence of the noble lord
at the head of the government. It is this—The hon. mem-
ber for Greenwich, as I have stated before, is only anxious
M try his right, and he it anxious to put himself in a poi.
Wm in which that right may be fully tried by the legal
tribuuals of this realm. I have to ask, then, my right hon.
friend whether, in consequence of the proceeding which
hes now been taking place, the hon. member has done
mouth to allow the institution of a prosecution; or, if not,
whether, if the boa. gentleman will come into this house
immediately after a question has been put, and lay himself
under the obligations of the law, sod under the penalties
that may atta.h to him, whether he (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer) will take the course which I think he ought to
do on the present occasion, and instruct the Attorney- ,
General to prosecute him, in order that the question may
be fully and fairly tried t (Cheers.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—Sir, I
hope that iii the unavoidable absence of my noble friend I
may be allowed to state the course which 1 think it will be
advisable • this occasion. I r-

look to their silver siocins. (Lsiughtar.)
The vote was then agreed to, as was the vote of 7,7001.
towards the erection of a new bridge at Inverness.
A vote of 7,0001., for pay and expenses of medical men
sent out to advise the local authorities at Jamaica, as to
the best means of checking the spread of the cholera' and
fur the relief of urgent cases of distress arising from
cholera—was also agreed to.
15,0001. towards the erection of an additional museum,
and for enlarging the theatre of the Royal College of Sur-
geons, for the delivery of the Hunterian lectures.
The CIIANCELLOIt of the EXCHEQUER, in propos-
ing this vote, after speaking of the origin of the 11unterian
Museum, by Dr. Hunter, and its committal to the care of
the College of Surgeons, coupled with the conditions that
the public should be idmitted under such regulations as
they might think necessary, and that a course of lectures
should be given in each year—conditions which
he said had been most faithfully discharged—ob-
served that the college had expended, in increasing the
museum and providing more effectively for its exhibition to
the public, 189,0001. of their own money ; and at this mo-
rnoment,in point of pathological science, it was now the first
museum in the country. It had been lately found that the
present building was not sufficient for the purposes of the
museum,with a due regard to the convenience of the public,
in its increased extent, and an application had been made
to the government for a grant towards making the required
addition to the museum, and for enlarging the theatre for
the delivery of the lectures. (Hear, hear.)
Sir R. 'NOUS tendered his thanks to the right hon.
gentleman for the encouragement the government were, by
bringing forward this vote, giving to medical science.
And after a few words from Col. Denote the vote was
agreed to.
1,0001. to the Royal Asiatic Society, towards defraying
the expenses of the publication of the inscriptions in the
cuneiform character, copied and edited by Lieut.-Colonel
Itawlinson.
Mr. C. LEWIS, in explanation of this vote,observed that
the house was aware of the discoveries which had been
I made under the direction of Colonel Rawlinsoa on the sup-
posed sites of ancient Bahylon and Assyria, and that under
his superintendence and with greatlabour many inscriptiont
had been collected; a portion of these had been published
in /he sinsiks by the Asiatic Society but having only
limited funds, and the expense of publishing the entire
being beyond their means, they had applied to the govern-
ment for a public grant to enable them to complete this
very interesting publication, and, as no very large amount
was devoted to literary purposes, they might fairly recom-
mend to the house a vote in compliance with such applica
tion. (Cheers.) lie might as well take the same opportu-
Katy of stating that the next vote, 5001., was for the pur-
pose of assisting Captain Layard in carrying on his excava-
tions at the mound of Sena with a view to the discovery of
ancient monuments there deposited. (Hear.)
The two votes were then put and agreed to seriatim,
Sir It. Botts obser.ing, with regard to the latter, that he
hoped to see it increased.
A vote of 10,0001. for the construction of works at Spurn
Point was next passed.
Oa the postponed rote 144,0001. on account of the ex-
pense of constructing harbours of refuge, being proposed,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to this vote, which had
been postponed at the instance of the hon. member for
Montrose, being proceeded with in his absence, that hon.
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tees as those receiving the parliamentary grant. The Pres-
byterians of the north of Ireland were as wealthy as the
mine clam in England. sod were as able to bear the expense
of their own ministers. The grant was equivalent to about
&SI. for each minister, or more than double the amount
paid by their congregations. Ile contended that no portion
of the public taxes of this country ought to be paid for the
support of these ministers.
Mr. M'CULLAOII said the hon. member for Lambeth
had surprised him for once. lie had expected hint to con-
clude with regretting the paltry nature of this grant. The
calculation he had referred to was made by a person called
Duncan Chisholm, an absconding witness, who conse-
quently could not be relied on.
Mr. C. LEWIS hoped the amendment would not be
a to. Nothing could be attended with worse public
effect the withdrawal of these grants, which had been
first voted after the revolution, and had since been annually
continued. The justice of parliament was involved in its
continuance.
Mr. ANSTEY had resisted the vote for the repairs of
Mayaneak, sad on the same principle he should oppose
di Hama grants. The dissenters of Ireland them-
MIMS these eleemosynary grants, and would
rook* in their withdrawal. They were the source of bitter
suds in Ireland, sad were the means of dividing the
bodies into so called orthodox and heterodox parties. He
would have the ,whole of this class of votes withdrawn,
whereby they would do away with great differences between
the dissenters themselves.
Mr. W. J. FOX objected to this vote on the same ground
es he had opposed the Maynooth grant. It was, in fact,
an endowment, and it had had the effect of diminishing the
voluntary support of the ministers by their congregations.
He should support the amendment, though he had
rather see the vote annually diminished until it was wholly
withdrawn. lie was convinced that the increase in this
great had been occasioned, not by an increase of the presby-
terian body in Ireland, but by the increased reliance of that
body on the imperial exchequer.
After some conversation,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said if the government would agree
to the suggestion of Mr. Fos to reduce the vote annually
be would not divide; otherwise he mast do so.
The CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER said he
MK sot give any such promise.
The committee then divided:
For the grant ll5
Against it
The sum of 6,5891. to defray the expenses connected with
the Concordaturn Fend was agreed to.
Oa the vote of 9,969:. to defray the expenses of the Geno-
va' Hoed of Health,
at W. JOLLIFFE observed that, in reference to lutes-
wand interments, the act forbidding them received the
mpg amens on the very day that the Board held its first
inisetiag ; and though 1,6.10 i. had been expended in four
magelta in experimenting, nothing whatever bad been done
to aware the public health.
Lied SEYMOUR replied that the scheme was a very
heavy and important one. The first part of the plan was to
raise money on security. (Laughter.) It was next neces-
sary to obtain that description of soil for cemeteries which
the house thought most advisable. The grounds in the
vicinity of London had all been surveyed, so that no further
expenses would result from experimenting ; and the ques-
tion now was, how the further operations were to be carried
is. (" Hear," and a laugh.)
(Mr. MOWAT f wished to know why steps were not
ides to prevent the interment of the dead within the
a Ils. (Hear, hear.)
IiMuSEYMOUIC replied that the board of health was
lest yet in possession of the necessary funds to carry out the
pereitaous of the statute.
Mr. FOX mid as the cemeteries about London were eon-
templated to be used temporarily, whilst the permanent
places were being sought for, he could not see why, if these
places were capable of receiving the dead of London, they
should not be made permanent, and the intramural grounds
closed. Now here were resources at hand ; and he saw no
reason why an absolute prohibition should not issue against
intramural interment'.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the

_ for the house to pursue upon ...
quite sure that every person who hears me, whatever his
erosion may be upon the policy of the restriction itself,
will do justice to the anxiety which the hon. gentleman en-
tertains to vindicate that which in his opinion is his legal
right, as well as to the course which, with all the respect
that ought to be shown to the house by all its members and
by every person claiming a seat in it, he hoe taken to en-
laces such right. (Hear beat.) Now, the questions
whisk are raised by. this, proseelings are two—the
deft to the seat in the Irma, and the li=
to certain consequences rein tram those p
ins. Oise of these queasier must be decided by
the house itself—the other by a court of law. In either
view of the subject, it seems tem to be is matter worthy of
very ve and serious deliberations, to the course we
pursue. lam nut proproil to answer the question
of my hon. friend with regiset to the prosecution of which
he speaks; but with rekiraten le that portion of the sub-
ject that the house meet deal* namely, the hon. gentle.
man's right to the NA I fah* that everybody will he of
opinion that no instant pornolinp should take place, bat
that we should have dim to consult the acts of parliament
—(ebeers)—and gravely derider what course we should
take. I think no presseirgs should be taken without
notice, so that all partial ray be prepared to come to the
discussion on the subject Im which we are to pronounce oar
judgment, not perhaps eneetedintl le ear wishes, but as we
feel booed by stainer onithentillotheol law. (Hear, hear.)
I therefore props, that se leapt be taken in tat
matter till Monday, when mg noble friend may be pat-
ient, and when we shall hove had tiro carefully
to consider the matter. (Hoer. bear.) I prefer that the
thing shall remain in pita* the paha is which it am
'lauds, and that no advantage may Sophia or tart by try
pertkbut that we may merely have time to mho up ow
as to the course that we shall adopt on tbitionpurtaal
question. (Cheers.)
Sir B. HALL—I ass quite sure the house will indulge
sair while I say that, as far as I am concerned, I cordially
concur in the proposition, and I shall accordingly repeat the
questi. non Monday nest. (Cheers.)
Mr. T. DC NCOMBE—AIIow me to ask the right hon.
gentleman what is the question to be resumed on Monday
nest, fur it appears to me that there is no question at all.
It will out be an adjourned debate, because there is no de-
bate. Surely the bon. gentleman ought to move something
in onier that there may be a debate that may be resumed
em Monday. (Hear.)
TIM CHANCELLOR of tho EXCHEQUER replied that
the hini gentleman had put a question to him, and that
question he proposed to repeat on Monday.
Sir V. 'I'IIEBIOER—I certainly, if I could understand
that there is any question that the house is called upon to
decide, should be disposed to concur in the suggestion which
has been made by the right hon. gentleman, that this
matter should be postponed until Monday, in order to afford
US an opportunity of maturely considering the subject; but
I have equal difficulty with the boo. gentleman, the mem
her for k insbury, in understanding from the statement of
the rignt bon. gentleman what the matter is which on Mon-
day we shall be called upon to discuss. The right hon.
gentleman says there are two questions which sre to be de-
eided—the first being a question as to the seat, and the
second as to the affording of means for instituting a prose-
cution fur the purpose of trying the question of the right
of the hon. member for Greenwich to sit and vote in this
house. Now I have great difficulty in understanding
what is the object of the first question which the right
honourable gentleman will propose to the house
on Monday fur discussion. There can be no doubt what-
' ever that the hon. member for Greenwich, having refused
to take the whole of the oath of abjuration is utterly inca-
pable of taking his seat in this house. (Loud cheers.)
Therefore I apprehend that no question of that description
can possibly arise. (Mr. Serjesnt Meerut: There are
grave doubts of that.) Well, 0 en, what is the question ?
The hon. and learned member for Cork says there 411) grave
leetea, but he was not in parliament last session, or he
weld know that there is on the journals of the house a Yes°•
lution passed under precisely the same circumstances.
(Cheers.) Then, I apprehend, that if one resolutions are
worth anything, is no question of that description
which is open to the house to discuss, for 1 can hardly be-
' in s'

member hying at Present confined to his bed by illness.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER and the
vote had been postponed until certain information should be
furnished; that information was now on the table, and he
could see no reason for further postponement.
M er considerable discussion,
Mr. COBDEN proposed, as an amendment, to reduce
the vote for the Channel Islands by 80,0001.
In reply to Mr. W. Wausau,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
that the items of which the vote was composed were to be
found in the papers.
Mr. HENLEY suggested the propriety of discussing the
vote upon the bringing up of the report.
An amendment moved by Mr. W. WILLIAMS, that the
chairman report progress and ask leave to sit again, was
withdrawn ; and the committee divided on Mr. Cobden's
' notendment.
For it 2l
Against 67-38
The vote wan then agreed to.
On the motion that 60,0001. be voted to defray the charge
Ice civil contingencies
Mr. HUTT expressed his anxiety to say a few words re-
specting the squadron on the coast of Africa and the suppres-
sion of the slave trade, because, though he did not charge the
noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs with intentional
hmecuracies on Monday night, yet the statements he then
made were very much calculated to lead public opinion
*stray. He agreed with the noble lord that the slave trade
had recently undergone • very great diminution. It was
raw reduced to a much smaller extent than it was in the
you 1842. But let not present satisfactory appearances mis-
lead the committee with regard to the future. Let them not
hastily come to the conclusion that the painful subject he
had opened last session relative to the merits of the African
squadron had been finally settled. It was not that squadron
which was suppressing the slave-trade; on the contrary,
the squadron was doing now what it bad been doing for
the last thirty years, namely, little or nothing for its sup-
pression, and it was very unlikely that it would alter its
tactics now. The present satisfactory state of the slave-
trade was mainly owing to the changed policy of the Bra-
zilian government. It was the remark of Burke, that
" the slave-trade could only be suppressed at its ends;"
and it was an important fact, that whenever the governors
of the Spanish West India Wands had set their faces
against it the trade was to a peat extent suppressed. In
1842 the Brazilian government undertook to do what it was
doing now. It prohibited sales in the markets, and it
placed its navy on the coast to seize every cargo of slaves
arriving there ; and the consequence was that the slave
trade almost disappeared. In 1847 • committee of the
House of Commons came to the conclusion that the slave
trade had never attained so great • height as in that year.
The years 1848, '49, and '5O were equally distinguished for
the activity of the trade. It was clear, then, that the African
squadron had not produced the present gratifying suppres-
sion; and it was equally clear that the favourable circumstances
under which the Brazilian government were now acting,
would not last for any length of time. Slaves were at this
moment uncommonly cheap in Brasil. When, in 1848,
1849, and 1850, there was a glut in the Brazilian slave
market, prices fell exceedingly, and now slaves there were
100 per cent. cheaper than they were in 1846. The naval
expenses, it would appear, were comprised in 160,0001., but
• writer in the Edinburgh Racism last year had made out
those expenses to be 260,0001. His own opinion was that
the aggregate of our expenses in promoting its suppression
could not be less than between 800,0001. and 700,0001. an-
nually. (Rear, hear.)
I Lord PALMERSTON assured the hon. member who had
spoken that he regretted his absence from the house on
y evening, and that it was not from any desire to
OM advantage of that absence that he had spoken then
wen the slave trade. His hon. friend had accused him of
Itswasi unintentionally made erroneous statements, but be
b emitted to specify in what the error consisted. His
boa. friend had very amply confirmed the view he (Lord
Palmenton) had expressed to the committee on Monday
evening—namely, that there was at present a great dimin-
ution in the slave trade. He (Lord Palmerston) had
stated that hla relied upon the operations of the squadron on

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fieiretiairtiehouse is prepared . the next main to bon . gentleman seemed to forget that in the event of the the coast
to "o"4liiii - auPPre7raina: his
rescind • resolution which was come to after a long intramural graveyards being closed compensation should be statement was, that the squadron was an mental element,
and anxious discussion. (Cheers.) Therefore it must given those wbo had an interest in them. Now it was int• but that it could not be expected fully to produce the de-
be some other point which will be proposed for our possible to find the means for such compensation sired result. lie agreed that, with • view to the suppression
consideration. (Hear, hear.) I feel bound to say that I unless by levying a rate. It was proposed to of the slave trade, we must go to the end, but then we must
think we fell into a great mistake in the course which we raise the necessary funds on certain securities, but apply our means to the beginning as well as the end, if we
pursued with regard to Baron Rothschild. (Cheers.) It parties subsequently objected to these securities on the would attain success. The noble lord then repeated his
will be in the recollection of the house, that upon the baron ground that there would be a risk. However, that diE- statement respecting the decadence of the slave
refusing to take the whole of the oath, I rose and moved culty could be got over ; but within the last few days ago- trade, admitting, however, that great as the sue-
thatbee you, sir, do issue your warrant to the clerk of the ther had arisen, which was now under eonsideration, and cess had n, it was not complete. We must continue
___ crown fur • new writ for the city of London. (Loud cheers) he was not prepared to say that at that moment he saw his to exert those means which had produced that success. We
I was opposed by several members, and amongst others by way clearly through it. must give our support to the party at Brazil who wished
to get rid of the trade ; and then sure he was that at no dia-
TheHOUSE OF COMMONS.—FAIDATi JULY IS. my right hon. sad learned friend the Master of the Rolls, After • few words from Mr. Fox and Mr. Mower'', the
then the attorney-general, who stated that under the net eon was agreed to. tat period this country might rejoins at the success of that
Brialan took the chair at a quarter before four
11,5001. to defray
Veleta. of parliament the penalty was Da the forfeiture of the seat, On the vote of the expenses of the En• constancy, perseverance, and generous sacrifice which it had
THE CASE OF MR. ALDERMAN BALOMONS. but merely of disability to sit and vote, and of the penalties cumbered Estates Commission in Ireland, evinced in producing the suppression of so abominable a
it bass wining do the his. minim tar Greenwich consequent upon that. I think he was mistaken in that Col. DUNNE said he believed the appointment of a , Irak* (Hear, hear.)
'mended ii, pima wow ii, hi, axes, di. him, was Wit, for I have very carefully considered the subjeet. master by the judges in that commissionto be illegal. 1 Mr. GIBSON had always considered the interference of
crowded in a mina, am mensal di ihmdmissimiihi of and s have come to the conclusion that the precedents show There were also incidental expenses set down of which 1 the squadron on the coast of Africa, while unable tore pvent
basins. At Meet tea minutes to *se Cusweval private the established coarse was to issue • new writ in case the there was no explanation. He also objected that Baron the stave trade, was calculated to increase the horrors of the
bills ka bees ao. the %Nage wee informed member refused to take the oath of abjuration. just se if Richards should receive 1,3001. a year so commissioner, middle passage. The noble lord had admitted that the slave
that Mr. we as the bee sal wished to he had refused the oat* of allegiance and supreme!, in addition to his salary as sae of the barons of the Ex- trade increased during the years 1847-48-49, and that it
take the oaths smil his msg. I think that I should be able to show this on Monday, if
chequer. Ide wild he time explanation on the matter was only when the Brazilian government was acted upon
The Bemenes imbed hin to ewes to the table and be that shall be the gaieties ;
moo or and I cannot assume that it The seesmiedeeses disposed of considerably more than
by public opinion that the change had taken place. He had
HeftHeftwill be any other, although the hon. and learned member aoroo bus, and the mat
The has liMmilismeme then anenama to the tom, beim for Cork has grave doubts as to a decided point. (Hear.)er acre which it always contended that there was only one power which
melbas& was 11. Beße did not believe that in America, could put down the slave trade is Brazil, and that was the
leteseesed by Ste Ihmlamie Mall sad Mr. Joke Abel Smith. Mr. B. OSBORNE—I rise to order. The hen. gentle- or even New land could have been bought so formation of a public opinion in Brasil. It was public
The Caw kelhemed the that the bee. gentle- man ought not to make • speech unless he intends to con- ohs* . The rental of the property sold was 107,7071., the opinion which had abolished tbe slam trade and slavery in
Ilia asked to he swim ea tliegLair'semetent. elude with a motion. upon which amounted to 4.088.0001. The the British dominions ; but it took thirty years to convince
The SPEAREK—WIR Ile hen. gentleama se ate why he The SPEAKER ruled that that must be the ease. eoalleinkmeee emoieed only 1,330,0001,40 that the creditors even the bishops that the slave trade was a great crime and
age *he scowl Sir F. THESIGER—Men I take the liberty to move WWI istierisol to the extent of 3,000,0004, if what they a sin. They could not, therefore, expect • country like
Mr. SALOIMONE—Essessa it is binding epos my sea- that the Speaker do isms Isis warrant to the clerk of the theemelmerepseted was correct. Brazil all at once to jump to the same conelusimi. But be
mime. (Chesse) crown for a new writ for the borough of Greenwich, Mr. C. LEWIS said that the appointment of Baron wished to ask the noble lord whether the English govern-
The hue.essOlsmen then took without obsematies the Mr. Alderman Salomon having refused to take the oath of Richards was a tempormy tee for the purpose of carrying merit was Prepared to set oPoo lile_P _minim or Lard Aber-
oaths of &Owe and sapremisey la the msal Sena, pro- suiration in the form . out the act. dean, who introduced the act called the Brazilian Act,
nossoisi them to a lead mad &mime mks, sad patties ea The CHANCELLOr or VEXCHEQUER-I meet After • few weeds from Mr. G. A. Hamilton, Mr. which authorised British cruisers to deal with Brazilian
Ms let as he attend the midge "BO blip me God I" H. say lem very mei sueprised at the omen wish the he.. HatelseU, Mr. Beebe, and Sir W. ilemeniße, ships according to the laws laid down by England in re-

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which ther:
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,ist:n_of.
Lord NAAS said that wheals, emirsehee leblsmersabers foresee to the gave trade, sod who said he would repeal the officers of this service were treated as corn lured —7., h
supported the measure they hell me lika of the length to that net ea Won in the Brazilian government should the manner of dealing towards the military officers,
which it would go. It was ail SO about 2,000,0001. of east& hint to do so. He wished the noble lord to state i
prSeipr...Fd. BtoAadßlhNereG
property might pus through Ow malt, but 17,000,0001. whether he thought the time was now come for acting upon ; hardship or injustice in the case of these officers. lie ,„2
was the amount of encumbransen dew with which they that promise.
were called upon to deal. (Cheap.) He believed that the Lord PALMERSTON.—I do not consider that the time •ss satisfactory • character as he thought couldd
bed` ,i,ed.
effect of the measure was to do a great deal of harm, and he has come. After a few words from Sir G. Paul E
trusted that a bill founded on so dangerous a principle Mr. CARDWELL entirely agreed in the opinion that the Captain SC OB ELL said under the existing arrangement
would never again be brought before the house. 1 squadron in itself was not effectual to suppress the slave it was in the power of the Admiralty to keep an ,1%,„.,,
Mr. MONSELL differed from his noble friend as to the trade ; but there was an inconsiatency in the argument of from advancing by not employing him. The first lord h-Li
effect of the measure, but he regretted that it was not se- the right hon. gentleman (Mr. Gibson). He said that the the power over the post captains of keeping them "neat.
cosapanied by the Security for Advances Bill. The working squadron was not effectual, but that the policy of the played and waiting their turn, thereby heaping a nig.;
of this act had revealed a state of things in Ireland which if Brazilian government had been effectual in diminishing the upon them. But the system extended to a lower grad,..: A
known before would he believed have made the house more slave trade. But what had caused the policy of the Bra- commander unless he had been two years afloat could not
desirous of passing it sooner. Estates to the value of :Man government? It had been stated that in the early ,be promoted. With the lieutenants it was just the lime,
850,0001. a year had been brought under the court, and the part of 1850 the slave trade was in full vigour, but that in landIand they must be afloat a certain period. Be knew that
encumbrances upon them were 17,971,0001. Out of the latter part of that year it had greatly diminished. Now, the list of officers was a large one, and that all could
1,6.50 estates which had been brought under this court, what happened in 18.50 ? There was upon the table of the not be employed, but what he wanted was to see
one half had been under receivers of Use Court of Chancery. house • report, which he was sorry to say had beea sane- fair play, and that interest should not prevail.
After a short conversation the vote was agreed to. : tioned by a committee, recommending the abolition of the Sir F. T. BARING said that the lion. and gallant officer
4,9931.'was granted for the erection and maintenance of squadron. That was known to the Brazilians, and those had sketched eaactly the picture which he (Sir F. T.
certain lighthouses abroad. . who fostered the slave trade took encouragement Baring) wished to improve—the state of the
portnavy. There
On the vote of 130,0001. for the expense of taking the i from it. But when the re was brought before was a large list of captains who could not be emplayed, the
census of the population, 1 the house the noble lord (Lord Palmerston) resisted same with commanders. The very evil was that you hoed
Col. SIIITHORP complained of the hardship inflicted it with all the force of the government, and then the Bra. a larger list than you could employ, and the reducti,,n of
on females by requiring them to state their age. It was zilian slave trade no longer prospered. It was in the latter the list was what he had in view. No system coax
gross, indecent, and unbecoming to show them up in that , part of the year 1850 that the slave trade in the Brazils was be devised by which some gallant and efficient officers
way. (Laughter.) The sole object was to gratify a dirty, I reduced. The knowledge that the British parliament had were not left unemployed.
low, and inquisitive curiosity. (Laughter.) Some of the ' reversed the decision of the committee, wrought a powerful Lord NAAS asked why iron steam-ships acre etcluded
persons concerned did him the honour of consulting him on change upon the counsels of the Brazilian government. He from the contract packet service.
the subject, and the advice he gave them was to open the emphatically denied—notwithstanding heattributed much of Sir F. T. BARI&O referred the noble lord to the evi-
-1 door and turn the inquirers out, and at the same time to what had been accomplished to the change of policy on the dence that had been taken before the committee, and ex-
. .. ,W I . . ... • and o'- -at the evi- plained that it had been arranged by the contract that the
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part of the Brazilian government peeplethat _ .
dence they possessed did otherwise than substantiate the
value of the British squadron on the coast of Africa. It
was said that in 1842 the Brazilian governmet for a
time attempted to suppress the slave trade, but that
very soon a change came over the spirit of their dreams, and
that the trade was not suppres-ed. But there were peculiar
circumstances in 1842 which diminished the efficacy of the
squadron. A portion of it was withdrawn for the Chinese
expedition. But no man contended that a police of ships
on the coast was the only means of suppressing the slave
trade. There were, besides, two most effectual means,—
commerce and Christianity. (Hear, hear.) It was by means
of the naval force now on the African coast that rapine and
piracy would be suppressed, and the trade which was now
b.•ginning to grow up among the people would obtain
strength. The native Africans would, in the first place,
find that they could as longer profit by trading in slaves ;
and next, they woald discover that they could obtain stood
profit by carrying on commerce in those articles which their
country produced. They had got missions, they had
10,000 children in the schools, and they had industry
growing up in Africa, all irrespective of the policy of
Brazil. With regard to the question of expense, he was
not at all disposed to discuss it. If, when the enterprise
they had embarked in was for a time unsuccessful,
and their efforts had been attended with an unprofitable
issue, the question of expense was hardly deemed a
matter for the discussion, how much less must that be the
case now that it was admitted that the traffic in slaves had
never been so low, and that it was almost exterminated ?
On the question of expense, therefore, he was was not at
all afraid to make an appeal to the English people. As
one who had the honour of representing a city which was
deeply interested in the trade of South America, round
Cape Horn front the East Indies and China, he was not
prepared, for the sake of a miserable economy, to make
those African seas what Sir Charles Ilotham and every
naval officers examined before the committee declared they
would become if the squadron was withdrawn,—a nest Gf
pirates and plunderers, and to cause them to be the scourge,
the disgrace, and the reproach of human nature, by leaving
them to those by whom that infernal traffic was encouraged.
(lieu, hear.)
Sir It. INGLIS begged permission to offer his thankful
testimony to the noble lord for his exertions in regard to
the slave trade, and for the results which he had accom-
plished. (Cheers.)
The subject then dropped, and the committee proceeded
to the discussion of the vote.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS brought forward those amendments
on the vote which he had placed on the paper several weeks
ago. The items to which he took exception were :—Ex-
penses for passages of the Bishops of Jamaica. Barbadian,
Gibraltar, Antigua, and Newfoundland, 3191. 13s. Id.; con-
stituting and appointing Bishops of Quebec and Montreal,
1371. 19s. 6d. ; entertainment of the Danish governor on the
coast of Africa, 751. Iss. ; robe., collars, badges, &e. for
knight!, 250/. 7s. Id. ; marshal of the ceremonies,lB4l. 4s. ;
funeral of the late Queen Dowager, 2,814,. 3s. 6d. He
could not understand why bishops appointed to foreign or
colonial sees should travel at the public expense, seeing
that they received their salaries either out of the consoli-
dated fund or from private *agrees. Ile did not see either
why the public were to be charged for "constituting and
appointing" Canadian bishops. Why were we to pay for the
dinners of Danish governors on the coast of Africa?
--- for their own " collars

government should take the' steniners, with a viewei
placing their hands upon them in CAM: of war for the public
service. Those were the terms of the contract ; and it had
unfortunately turned out, upon experiments which had
been instituted at Portsmouth by the government, that as
iron ship was tot a good war vessel ; and in blunt, that
so far as present experience went, it was utterly unlit for
warlike purposes. Under these circumstances, the
government in carrying out the plan according to the in-
tentions of parliament had excluded iron vessels from the
contract service.
After a brief conversation,
Mr. SCULLY begged of the government to consider the
subject of facilitating the mails to the south of Ireland.
Ihe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER promised
that the matter should engage his serious attention.
Mr. REYNOLDS said that a letter sent from Monate to
Mullinahone, 12 miles distant, had to travel 200 miles be-
fore it reached its destination.
The vote was agreed to.
The vote of 103,7001. for the charge of militia was this
agreed to.
This concluded the votes of supply.
The house then resumed, and proceeded to this disposalef
orders.
POOR RELIEF ACT CONTINUANCE BILL.
This bill was read a second time.
CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS NOTICES BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
LOCAL ACTS (PRELIMINARY INQUIRIES) BILL.
This bill went through committee.
COUNTY COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION COM-
PENSATION BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
TITHE RENT CHARGE ASSESSMENT BILL.
This bill was read a third time and passed.
The house rose at 2 o'clock, until 12 o'clock this day.

PARLIA3fENTARY DIVISION.

HOUSE OF LORDS, THURSDAY, JULY 17.
Minority on the Jew, Bill (Second Reading).
Lotd Chancellor SAVA .110,..
Cowper Beaumont
aIICHMIIIOP. Viiigall BroughMn
Dublin Fitt...lllam Byron
Granville Camoys
MACS. eey Coburn.
ArgyU Minto Cranworth
Clevilind Morley butkrin
Newcastle Scarborough Erskine
Norfolk Brantford Vole,
Sr. Germane Haab
11•14C1111B. Wicklow 1101 rand
Clanricarde Kinnnird
Donegal VISCOVNTS. Leith
LIM Ilmite Canning Loom
Westminster Torrington Montragra
Hisadfort Overrun..
suitors. Bay. an I S-1.
[MILO. Cork Stao!ry of Al.:er;rl
Albemai k Ilweford Su .rley
Bewborough Manchester Suftidd
Bruce No wick
Carlisle Chimer
Chsrientont
Chichester

A Lama
Worehnow
Wr ire....
BARONS. Willoughby TEreit.
Ashburton
PROXIES.
Hamilton, Duke of Teynhon, Lord
Sutherland, Duke of Dadily, Lord
Somerset, Duke of Ho:outer, Duke of
Romberry, PATI ot Crumb 11, Lord
Clarenduo, Earl of Vortercuo, Earl of
Denman, Lord Yarborough, Earl of
Burlingtoo, earl of Duce, Earl
!Lowden. Lord Emmert, Earl of
Falkland, Visional Iluntinadon Earl of
Mormon, Lord Mootyn, Lord
Mews/tire, Duke of Abererombr, lord
Dureheser. Lord Bateman. lord
Auckland, Lord Vernon, Lord
Weals*, Lord Durham, Bishop of
Bolingbroke. Viscount Limbo ry, Lord
Glenelg, Lord Godolphin, Lord
Lrondostor sigh, Lord Hertford, Marquis of
Arundel, Loud Miiford, Lord
Lumore, Viacom:it levelace, Earl
Methuen, Lord Brougham, Lord
eppeenmr, Earl ht Al, VII. Lord
l'iincdon, Earl of De Freyne, lord
Leinster, Duke of Sligo, Marquia of
Carew, Lord Stuart de Deem", Lord
PAINS.
Asglesey, Marquis of Sand wklr, Earl of
Clooeurry. Lord imolow, Earl
Bedford, Duke of St. John, Lord
Belhaven, Lord Lauderdale' Earl of
Camperduvrn, Earl of Eglinumn, Earl or
Ciao) arum. Marquis of Rutland, Duke of
Cremorne, Lord Erne, Ent of
Polumore, Lord Carman, Earl of
Rommore, Lord Sinclair, Lord
York. Arekhshos of Eimer, Birnop of
Panama. Lord 1.1.1:40. Ede of
Gardner, Lord Munster. Earl of
Zetland, Earl of Alvanlev, Lord
Dormer, Lord Gag, Y iscrodat
Ormunds, Marquis of Rome, Earl of
Gosfurd, Earl of Darnley. Earl of
Itibblesdale, Lord Templemore, lord
llentinge, Vi-count Beverley, ho l of
Sefton. Earl of Dartmouth. Earl of
Filth irdurge, tut Tenterdeo, lord
Bolton, Lord Marrone-ter, Door of
Ponsonby, Viscount Jersey, Karl of
Carrington, Lord Lorton, Viscount
MAWR, Viscount Manses, Earl
Wherneliffe, last Darrow/by, Ea! of
Orattoo, Duke of Abergaveriny, Earl of
Exmouth, Viscount Canterbury, Viscount
De Hawley, Lord De Nov, Lord
Oared, Earl of Somers, Fart
Reduce, Earl Delsaarr, Earl
Dinorbeo, Lord Blaynry, Lord
Suffolk. Earl of Dimly. Earl
Cork, Kull of Ailesbury, Marque, of
Manners, Lord Cambridge, 11. n. 11. Dalin r.:
Elsbinstone, Lord Glengell, Earl
Leicester. Earl of Doneraile, Via:trent
I umferarlitse, Lord Albs. Marquis et
Harrington, Earl of Clourobili, Lord
Hatherion, Lord Barbumt. Ku,!
Normenby, Marquis of Winchester, Merges of
Cottenbam, Earl of Fur eater, L red
Peue. Lord Pomfret, Earl of
Breadalbeas, Lord V. rater, Farr of
Errol, Earl or Northwick, Lord
Klatoro, Earl of Stamford and Warrington, &riot

" knights," be thought, aught to pay for their own
and badges." Seeing that they had an ambition for
knighthood, they should be compelled to pay the expenses
of the honour. What he chiefly objected to, however,
among these items, was the 2,8411. for the funeral of the
late Queen Dowager. Her Majesty had had an allowance
of 100,0001. a year since her connexion with the English
throne; and as it was understood that she had left a largo
sum of money at her death, which sum had gone to her
German relations, he considered that the public were very
unfairly called upon to defray the merges of her intermeat.
For reasons similar to those which he had stated he also
objected to the following items, via. : Funeral of the late
Princess Sophia, 6121. 2s. 7d. ; ditto of the late Duke of
Cambridge, 3.13;. 7s. Id. ; auditing the accounts of Ma -
nooth College, 100'. ; Episcopalian clergy of Scotland,
1,2001. ; the total amount of the items he had named was
6,1071. 111. 10d.
Mr. C. LEWIS said that the vote taken last year for
' civil contingencies was 100,0001., but the sum actually
expended was only 65,0001.—a pretty conclusive proof
of the desire of the government to promote economy.
(Haar, hear.) With respect to the items for
dm travelling expenses of the bishops, he bad
Italy to remark that these allowances had for
a considerable time past been regularly made, and therefore
to new principle was involved in the vote. The stipends
'of these bishops were not large, and some of them, as, for
instance, the Bishop of Gibraltar's, was supplied from volun-
tary sources. With respect to the Queen Dowager, the fact
would doubtless remain in the memory of most hon. gen-
tlemen that her Majesty had left a paper requesting her
funeral to be of a very unostentatious character. (Cheers.)
Though of course it was on a somewhat extensive scale, it
was an exceedingly modest one, considering her exalted
rank. (Cheers.)
Colonel SIB' HORP agreed with the hon. member for
Lambeth as to some of the items, but would not support
him with respect to others. No one had a greater respect
for the memory of the Queen Dowager, and he would sub-
scribe most liberally to a testimonial to her. Her charities
WI been unbounded, and she had, he had always under-
stood, died rich in virtues but poor in wealth. (Cheers.)
am he did not approve of this mode of defraying the
expenses of her funeral, because he thought it was calcu-
lated to derogate from the public estimation in which she
was held. (hear, hear.) Ile was sorry he did not see in
the list of the hon. member an item of 1,0651. for promoting
the Exhibition of the Industry of all Nations. (Laughter.)
He looked upon that Exhibition as a gross fraud upon the
public, injurious to the honest tradesman, and exercising a
limit pernicious effect upon the minds of the people. It would
send them to their homes discontented, and their minds
would still be in the metropolis, although their carcases
might be far away. (Loud laughter.) And then they
should remember that " evil communications corrupt good
awmen." (Renewed laughter.) The head of the commis-
sion was an exalted personage, who received from the
country about 70,000 a-year, although he (Col. Sibthorp)
had been instrumental (and he was not ashamed of it) in
cutting down his allowance to 30,0001. (Cheers.) Si
would do more in that direction if necessary, and if any
member would support him, rather than the
public should pay this 1,0651, for the Crystal Pa-
lace, he would pay it himself. (Loud cheers.)
The question had arisen whether the building should be
kept up, but would they dare to retain it ? lie hoped there
would be a visitation of Providence—(oh, on)—that
there would be a storm that should utterly destroy it.
(Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER wished to'
remind the gallant colonel that he was always open to the
receipt of " conscience money"—(loud laughter) —and if
the hon. gentleman would send him the amount he had
spoken of, be promised him that it should be noticed in the
Times. (Renewed laughter.)
Colonel SISTHORP—You receive public money, and
I don't Will you join with me (More laughter.)
After some discussion,
Mr. WILLIAMS said be would omit the item for robes
nd collars from his amendment.
The committee then divided—
For the amendment 43
69-26

"Jolla, ARCIIBHIIIOI. or Tr Am," has addmsed
to the secretary of the Catholic Defence Association, the
following lethal' on the question which now ogitit.., the
public mind :—" St. Jarlsth's, Town, Feast of our If.e.sed
Lady of Mount Carmel, 18i1. Dear Sir,—A con,iderable
expenditure will necessarily be required to render etf.ctive
the great organisation now forming by the cantlict of
Ireland for the protection of their holy religion quint
the unprincipled Ministerial aggression by which it Le
assailed. A small sacrifice of money cannot be rebelled
in a sacred cause, for which, if necessary, life Abell
should be cheerfully laid down as an earnest of the
deep interest I feel in the holy object of the append-
ing coalition, as strong and compact I trust as it wi'd
doubtedly be comprehensive. I beg to inclose my mite d
31. sterling, with the assurance of my firm purpose to to-
operate in everything in my power towards forming and
sustaining an association which one of the first laws d
self-defence imperatively requires. Had such a da•esive
body been maintained since the days of our partial council's
lion, 4ealously watching the inroads since silently mole on
the rights of Catholic Ireland, and • '•• the cotmill

4 warning
Against .. ~ ,
On returning to the gallery, against the unrighteous insolence by which they se. re sg-
un-
laguravated, until at length they manifested theinseleo ,i,
Mr. CLEMENTS was found addressing the committee,
and coinplaining of the course pursued in fixing the ennui- ised persecution,. Ireland would not have no* to do
1 the treachery by which its too simple reliance on Iwo,
0_
ties payable by the electoral divisions of each union in Ire-
land, under the act 13 and 14 Vic. cap. 14. The poor law
th thobe religion and the sacred rights 01 humanity melt
commissioners had left it to each union to nay when it ece r-
parties has been requited. In short, the equal int. r.-ts t
wished to repay the advances, and of course each union I were to a certain extent forgotten or unheeded in the .56U
-
wished with which the course of individual promotion or es .
wished the payment to be extended over so long a period
as possible. The commissioners laid down certain principles
but the Chancellor of the Exchequer had laid down arbi-
trary rules of his own by which the payments were to be fessing catholics prospered, they saw the catholic church
age was run ; and the consequence is that while a fe.! Pro'
._
hundreds of
fettered and the catholic people dying in 0.
made much quicker. thousands, without daring
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it to raise their voice in favour_ 1
would be remembered, that the object of the last the liberties of the one or the lives of the others. it is ths
act was, to extend the period of conviction of the evils which 20 years of political Owls
40 years in the cases of the meet distressed unions. A con-
re.porooot to viency and intrigue have entailed on our religion and pes••
siderahle number of unions asked that that period should that makes us bear with such calmness and compdew _
be e :tended to them, and it was determined that the
period of repayment should be fixed in reference to the threatened renewal of the penal laws, which must p:l!..•_±
end to the worst evils of corruption. For pereon.
ofC,9_•
circumstances of each union. Ile objected to any unbend.i constant aim is to emulate their lives by the law-
may
elude the poor law commissioners from considering the cir- violated have no terrors. As long as human laws ram is
ing and inflexible rule being laid down which would pre- an brutal enactments by which those sacred laws Cc
aunstances of each electoral division. to them becomes a pleasing duty ; but whenever ti
Alter a few words from Mr. Clements, Sir P. Nugent deflect from the great pathway that has been lighted ny
Sir Lucius O'Brien, and Sir D. Norreys, the same direction with the Divine ordinances obi diem
' Ood himself for man's guidance, then no rational arta::
Colonel SIBTIIORP moved that the vote be reduced can hesitate about the course he is to pursue. I bj"
by 1,0651. 17s. Od. honour to remain your very faithful servant,
The committee divided: " Mr. J. Burke."
.14 JOHN, Archbishop of Tura.
- Of
For the amendment 33 OE t. SIR ROGER SIIEAFFE, BART. (A)w•
Th NW,
Against
The vote was then to. after not less than seventy-three years' service in the any:
The sum of 44,613 T. was voted for half-pay pendent' Thia officer was employed in the Baltic, on board chi if
and allowances to the commissariat. under Lord Nelson, and subsequently during the g iit
On the vote of 809,4961. to defray the charge of the post America, in which he distiOgM u himself
. C h d in a Propuse%
office packet service being put, manner, and was created a baronet in consequence.
Si, DE L. EVANS complained of the rigour with which damaged officer was ninety years of age.
no