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things for Ireland ; hut he saw ample excuse for them in the
utter confusion which impeded the progrem of business in
that house, and the utter confusion so oppreseive to any
government whatever arising from the infinite sections into
which the two great political parties had been gradually split.
The hon. member vindicated the claim of the Irish church
to the unwavering protection of parliament. It was rather
singular to hear bon. gentlemen who denounced the prin-
. ciple of the Roman catholica being called upon to pay or a
church to which they did not belong put forward at the
same time the proposition that the protestants of Ireland
should pay for a church to which they did not belong. There
were largo "lasses of our fellow-countrymen who deeply felt
that, to make any public endowment for the Roman catholic
church would be a national sin, involving the nation tom•
milting it in the awful peril of a national judgment.
After a few words from Mr. GRACP and Mr. R. Gitartrae,
The house divided—For the amendment 24
Against it
POOR LAW UNION CRAIWES (BILL No. 2).
The house then went into committee on this bill pro
forme:, for the purpose of enabling a clause to be withdrawn.
which, after comidercile opposition on the part of some
hon. members from Ireland, was not persevered in by the
right hon. member fur Liskeard, who has charge of the bill.
The house adjourned at half-past seven o'clock.

tenants was at the bottom of the ciscontent of the Irish pea
sentry. (Hear, hear.) What the Irish people meant when
they cried out " Ireland for the Irish:" was the right to live
and obtain subsistence in the land own their dirt Eight
thousand landlords in fee had the. po et.swping from
the face of Ireland the whole of its populauon. (Oh, oh.)
Perhaps he usgerated—he meant to say the power of
sweeping superior their estate,. (Hear, hear.) Take
the most class of Ireland, and see what
was their notion of a cure for Irish evils. Lord Fin.
william had stated that the first step is the improvement of
Irish estates must be to get rid of seven millions of cottiers,
and this, too, from the owner of half a county. (Hear, hear.)
humanely, of course, contemplated getting rid of them
by emigration, but there were many Irieh land.
lords who exercised their power, without taking any precau-
tions against its consequeimer._lie (Mr. Scrope) disputed the
position, that clearance was necessarily the fint step to im-
provement, and he had been delighted to hear the noble lord
at the head of the government express his opinion that small
farms might be made to maintain the population in comfort.
The bon. member proceeded to real extracts from the report
of Capt. Kennedy relative to the number of ejectment& which
had been carried out during a period of six months in the
Kilrush Union, It appeared that nearly 1,600 had been
served, and the houses of the ejected par.in were levelled
with the ground. They all could recollect the ferment
created in England by ono ejectment, and the rasing of the
house—he meant Lord Grantley—but here were 1,500 hewn
levelled in six months, and the unfortunate inmates turned
out to all the miseries of disease and famine. Similar uses
had occurred on the estates of Lord Ventry and the E id of
Imam, the estates of the latter being situated in the wont
districts in Ireland. The landlords at present pursued the
system of driving the people into the workhouse, and when
they got them there, of rasing their cottages to the ground.
That wan the main grievance under which the people suf-
fered, and which the government were hound to remedy.
Those people who hail no tenant right in Ireland were liable
to be turned out at a few months' warning, or at a few days
notice by eject rent process. They, therefore, must bo under
alarm of a constant and most frightful character. They ex-
pected to be turned out of doors to die in a
ditch, or be obliged to receive an amount of relief
under a Id. per day. The government should pries a
law giving tenants a right to compensation for improvements
created 'oy their own industry. If a tenant came into pee-
session of land worth 10s, per are, and by his industry made
it worth 30s. per acre, he was entitled to the 10s., the worth
of the improvement. The principle of giving the tenants a
claim to compensation :for improvements ought to he carried
out in the Landlord and Tenants Bill. Justice could not be
elope to them otherwise ; and they could not expect that the
Irish people would be contented. The tenants had as good
a claim to compensation for their improvements as the land-
lords had to their fee simple. They should also pass a law
to protect the evicted rople from the misery that accrued to
them, and to prevent the wholesale depopulation that was
now going on. lion. gentlemen talked of dispos-
ing of the surplus population of Ireland. Ile be-
lieved that emigration was unnecessary, and that there was
sufficient land lying waste in Ireland to support the unem-
ployed if they were set about reclaiming it. He called upon
the government to step in with some law of that kind to re.
Save the people of Ireland. He concluded by supporting the
motion of die hon. member for Rochdale.
Sir G. GREY said that, after the speech of his noble
friend (Lord J. Russell), who, in following the hon. gentle-
man who opened the debate on the previous evening, folly
answered all the arguments which were brought forward by
hon. gentlemen to cast censure on the government, he hit it
unnecessary for him to occupy much of the time of the
house ; and he would not have risen to address them, but that
he thought it would hdly b onsidered revs ctful if
slime member of the governments did not reply. The
speech of the noble lord, which was both mild and concilia-
tory in its tone, showed them that they had passed all the
measures for Ireland which it was in tone power of govern-
ment to propose, or for parliament to adopt, for the
remedy of those evils which by universal admission
existed in Ireland. Having listened to every speech
which had neon made in the course of the debate,
he could not help noticing the disagreements that
existed between ! the hon. gentlemen who censured the
government as to the remedies which they would propose.
There were only two hon. gentlemen who concurred in a
remedy, while the greater number of them agreed that evils
existed which required remedies, and notwithstanding the
difficulty they found in agreeing,: they thought that parlia-
ment was able to devise remedie'. and that it was the duty
of government to adopt them. (Hear, hear.) lie (Sir G.
Grey) did not mean to say that parliament could do nothing
to remedy those evils that affected the social system in Ire-
lead, anti still less did he mean to say, as had been stated by
the hon. and gallant member for Middlesex, that the govern-
ment sat with folded arms and looked on with apathy at these
evils without seeking to remedy them. The hon. and gallant
member, he believed, was not in parliament last year, and
did not know the circumstances under which the government
came into power. If he had any knowledge of the conduct
of the government since that time he would tele him whether
the government did not briag in measures affecting the political
character of Ireland, and lie would ask him whether Ireland
was neglected by them in the year 1847. After the acces-
sion of the government the disease of the potato crop, accom-
panied by a deficient harvest throughout Europe, brought on
a calamity in a most aggravated form, and of unequalled
severity in Ireland, reducing the population of that country
to starvation. Tie symptoms of that disease and the coming
calamity appeared in the previous year ; and the govern-
ment had, with reference to these circumstances, passed a bill
to mitigate its eev, city. Its severity fell on Ireland in the
years 1816 and 1S111; and he must remind the has, and
gallant gentleman that day alter day, week after week, and
mouth after month during that period, the attention of this
house was occupied with the c. ncerns of Ireland, and he was
of opinion that the government would be neglecting a great
and most important duty, if at that time they introduced
measures affecting the church and the franchise in Ireland,
instead of alleviating the miseries of the people. (Hear,
hear.) Hon. gentlemen stated that expectations were
held out by the government to the people of
Ireland, and had not been fulfilled. The honour-
able and gallant member for Middlesex said that he
spoke as an English member. lie (Sir U. Grey) understood
that he 'had property in Ireland; and he would ask him
whether.he conceived that the time of the government or of
parliament was misspent in 1847 in providing for the wants
of the poor—[Mr. OSBORNE: Yes}—and in directing their
earnest e oleavours to mitilate the ea' a;nity which oppressed
the people? It was sold that the government had passed
no measures for the benefit of Ireland, the only measures
they introduced were two coercion Milt, and a bill for the
suspension of the Habeas Corpus Act. Now, he would ask
the hon. and gallant gentleman whether he was prepared to
get up in his place and deny that there was any necessity for
these measures; or whether he could say that they were
opposed by English or lush members? The first act to
which the hon. and gallant gentleman alluded was eminently
successful in preventing assassination, inasmuch as he
cou.d state that from the day on which it received the
royal event assassination was tot committed, and there was
no reason for believing that either life or property was inse-
cure. With reference to the next act, the hon. and gallant
gentleman would remember that the French revolution took
place in February, and gave a great impulse to the feelings
co the people of Ireland. The government then had to deal
with a seed ,1 state of circumstances which were not expected
at 'he commencement of the session, when the government
had made premises. With regard to the bill for the suspen-
sion of the Habeas C irpus Act the; hon. and gallant gentle-
man stated that he at first thought that ho should air
sent himself from the house, yet on reflection he took the
more honourahle and manly course of coming down and
avowing his support of the measure. %Sott right, then,
had he to taunt the government for having main-
tained law cod authority in Ireland for the protec-
tion of the lives of her Majeaty's subj, cts in that coun-
try ? He could not reproach the government with having
acted in that manner, and for postponing the consideration
of measures which in quieter and more ordinary times
would be entitled to their first and most especial consider&
Lion. (lean) The hon. and gallant g ntleman Mil not
confine his observations to the present government. He
alluded to the suspension of the 'Habeas Corpus Act in the
year 1803, but he seemed to think *hat the period which had
since elapsed was a dreary hiank, and that nothing had been
done for the people of Ireland. Many hills hail been passed
sines that period which effected the people of Ireland. Ile
would ask him what was the state of the statute book as
affecting the Roman catholic people of Ireland in 1103, and
to contrast their position then with their position now, lie
would ask him to look at the etrugolcs that had taken place
in parliament till the year 1881), when the Emancipation Act
was pawed.
Mr. OSBORNE—How was it passed ?
Sir G. GREY was not g'iine to say how that and several
other acts were passed which benefited the people of Ire-
land, including the Municipal Corporation Act, and other
acts of a political character, as he believed that there yet re-
mained much to he done. This was not the moment at
which Blue questions, which were alluded to by hon. gentle-
men, could bit most advantageously agitated, and it they
were now brought forward they would be discussed under the
most d:sadvantageous circumstances. The hon. and gannet
member for Middlesex seemed to ihitik that the
and peace, pros-
rity, and contentment of the people of Irel would be
materially advanced by his proposition, which was a recon-
struction of the protestant establishment in that country,
which seemed to him to be the great evil under which Ire-
land suffered. His (Sir G. Grey's) epgech on the ques-
tion of the grant to Maynooth, was quoted, and he would
not retract one word which he had used on the subject on that
occasion. lie ex pressed opinions then to which he at ill adhered,
and he hi Beth d that the existence of au exclusive religious
establishment in Ireland to which the majority of the people
were opposed, was an anomaly which was unjust in its origin
and indefensible now. (Cheerss.) lie stated so on
that occasion and he stated so now. lie thought it an
unfortunate circumstance, which materially effected the
peace of Ire.and and the success with which the government
of that country could be carried on. The government were
not willing to bring in any measure to remedy that evil
unless they had some reasonable ground for believing it
would meet with the assent of parliament. It was said, with
regard to the suppert of the Roman catholic religion in
Ireland by the state, that the Irish members refrained
through delicacy from giving their opinions, They did not
refrain from giving their opinions and refusing their support
to such a proposition. He did not, however, think that
their object one were such as would prove permanent, and
would not give way. He agreed with the hon. gentleman
the member fur Limerick that the time was not far distant
when a ministry would be four.d which would bring forward
a measure on this point, well matured and considered, and
when tae public feeling, having had longer experience of the
evils arising oat of the present state of circumstances in Ire-
land, would call for such a measure. lie believed that such
a time was not very far distant, and, notwithstanding the
feeling that existed in England op the matter, he
should hail the arrival of such a time with delight, and if
lie had the honour of a seat in the house, either in or out of
office, no matter whom the ministry was composed of, he

ELECTION COMMITTEES.—SATURDAY.
Duntm.—Aa on the pnvioue day, the committee
were occupied with the scrutiny, but no rotes were struck oft.
NORTII Cliasiithe.—Couneel summed up on the
whole cue, Ow which the committee adjourned until 12
this dap.

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to wring these concessions by agitation, and by the
demand of repeal. But ministers should save the
people of Ireland from the necessity of such dangerous
agitation, by bestirring themselves, and by taking
advantage of such calamities as famine and threatened
lifpeoputola,ietiaible.
?cilia.
insurrection, to arouse the magnates of both
countries to a sense of their own danger,
and of the only true means of averting
population
aeration iusucohf
ters have thrown away golden opportunities of
this kind, and are flinging them away every day. Lord
the
readerlrish
Jolts Ht.:it/mu. evidently feels that the whole of his
ciit'reubmystapnlcaecsingas
Irish policy has been a failure. lie is weighed down
by the consciousness of that failure. He feels, that any
trilling amelioration here and there is quite idle,
quite unequal to stop the mighty breed,
through which Irish disaffection and disorder roar,
He stands still in bewilderment and despair, and not
only does nothing, but is obliged to account for and
excuse it.
poTlitniicsalsuswrdnosinio,nwoifliponloitticadol.colnvdeurnctust
have a
states.
man who can grapple with the question of ;rebind,
and place it before parlament in that plait, per.
suasive, and convincing shape, that parliament
cannot reject it without declaring itsown incompetence
and thereby warranting the severance of the empire,
That severance ought to be prevented, and may be
prevented. But if ministers not only rimitin incapa.
ble, but confess their incapacity ; and if parliament
remain bigotedly obstinate, whilst minisien,
flatter parliament as wise, and parliament in return
tolerates minister., who have the knack of slurring
over difficulties without meeting or resolving them,
then all we can say is, that the inevitable come qualm,
must follow, in the repeal of the union and the
'ruction of the empire.

would fully concur in any practical plan for the accomplish- Tots for the
meat of ruck= object. The hon. gentlenna (the member remedial
l m .
rend: because uselretitred.was(Bamweriphlreater.rnt
Thee
for Kerry) differed from the hon. and pliant member for noble
Middlesex in thinking, that this was not a proper
rnment had done nothing' since then. He be.
time for bringing forward the church question, raved his hmeadeo.nacugerhbuint thelB44
noinble every
word
oefrdwhhtrand
hanimel
wtheowdsoidriotistotht e
gthorinekrwmthwattiorawnoytbodbayrtwagrit
beroedugh•trithwt
ttnthogthohvateurcall tqhoeirretmoweastruuresuftetrkdlr.el(anudrawrou,
hear.)lde useless
him in censuring the government (or not having brought till the church question was aettkd. (Hear, hear.) What
to agriculture the settlement of the Irish
a bill on the subject. The hon. and gallant member did drainag
pplmartsebuatphilesdidanndotaadtmluidteteted Mtheattimitewtrat
put it into operation, contenting himself with saying that meat n ine labour question. He believed that a great deal
nutit would an orig
takeinal greatia measure
oure st i o n
thatwews
at
so r
e theti
tt
t r peterrd
for o f
Ireland
wrw Toth:
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With pilrarnlitowdasoitohte.
qmotegrhtttoboe doNnve.
hbyr tirdhe
tleogtitatgurarendto
jumnttllaewthcians important
[hie
tothtaillwdaemnooltititohne timeet th eteos tianbtlfisteuchurchi t.
iiiisn
that the house would agree with the bon. and gallant gen• hear..
he said, that the time was not yet come. He did not think at pat)chilingisuripgthhteethooldo.syfrelmd-
(wsoiruldvibe
Somerville)
failure-
(liver,
lwouldiver
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Tettvrerhyoroc.l iagniedugs
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. gh regretteda
flat ftthhei
noble ley.
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setlawmopslue
such
tibleismhilinnt winislhrieniganfodr.
gentleman stated that his next measure was one which would little determination speech of last night to carry out
If lurnietsice in leaving to others the carrying of those
develops the industry and the resources of the people of theme . emu u ictl.iuiduedhisto The noble lord bad not done
Ireland. By that he meant systematic colonisation. If
erit of Ireland. (Hear.)
scoldrationtisaotoio,onr cotuold
England,
stem
seds,rot-it ghwtriFoa.etomtepjaerosurpes whichy he advocated as necessary for the per
any
would oodbe pimanostof
land, and Ireland, that an extensive system Sir W. SOMERVILLE emphatically denied that the
of colonisation should be carried on. But the hon. and gal. measure whish the government introduced on the subject of
lent gentleman did not tell them how it warto be carried tenantoight was a robbery or a deprivation of the rights of
on, b what funds rby wha mins, r where the colonists the eople of Ulster. If the hon. member for Itoehdale had
were yto be sent to.o Now, het dide noto wish to say anything beenp present at the meeting in the north of Ireland, whet
against colonisation, but he must say that there were a great such language wax used, to would have expected that the
many practical difficulties in its way. There were strong hon. gentleman himself would have contradicted such a I
objections to colonisation being carried on by pauper emigra• statement, for thilear, e hon.
hear. gentle)man
must
hon . know
l t
there himself
w himself as ao 1
time The hon. and gallant gentleman's plan might, per- truth in. it. ( The
haps, raise the hopes of the people of Ireland, and divert introduced a measure on the subject, and from the way in
them from the wild schemes which they adopted in he oh- which it had been received, he hoped the ho . gentleman,
Bence ; but he should remind them that measure' had been when he returned to Ireland, would not say that there war
passed by the government, which, if carried out by those in any indisposition on the part of this house to give it a fair
Ireland, who ought to carry them out, would tend much to consideration. The measure of the hon. gentleman had been
L
emove the miseries Ireland. The hon. gentleman thn pro- irly submitted to parliament, ut i could not bear the argu- '
posed a modificationof of the union, that a session of parlieament mente brought against it. Letb then hon. gentleman say, if
shouldbe detain Dublin annually, and that her Majesty should he pleased, that the House of Commons did not take the
visittbat country. For the first of the two latter propositions the same view of the subject as he did; that they did not under.
royal prerogative was only necessary ; and, with regard to stand dihe other tenant-right, or agree i
nn n
et his
to t finition of i
t,
of Ire or thland
at it
the last, he would ask the house whether it would be wise, would not be proper topar
in the pre sent state of feeling in Ireland, for the government besides the north ; but lethim not di ceive tee people by us--
m advise her Majesty to 'Olt that country 1 He then pro- in; that there was en indisposition on the part of the house
paned that the Lora-Licutenancy of Irelanni should be aba- to consider the subject, or give any countenance to the state-
ished, and that a secretary should act in his stead. In that ment that the measureof the government was a robbery, and
case they would he only changing the name. lie did nut would deprive the people of Ulster of their rights. (Hear.)
think his plan a wise one iu which he provided that the No person would be less indisposed than he to deprive the
secretary should act on his own responsibility without taking people of Ulster of that valued right, but they could not in-
part in the cabinet and its councils. Ile had now gene traduce that custom into th
ee,o r parts et Ireland without
through the panaceas of this hon. and gallant gentleman. He committing nn act of injusti and if they were to attempt to
would not enter into eriminatiou and recrimination ; he did legalise it in the north he believed they would deprive tbat
not, however, wish to avoid any censure that might be cut which was called tenantriaht of its mast valusble charectei-
on the government. Ile had stated the circumstances which istic, namely, the good understanding which subsisted
had prevented the government from bringing forward between landlord and tenant. (Hear.) He del not thistle
measures for Ireland ; those reasons might be un- that It was the nature of the relation which eubsisted between
satisfastory to the house, and some degree of censure landlord and tenant that disturbed the social condition of
might attach to the government. But, looking at the enure • Ireland, although he admitted it war susceptible of improve-
which the debates toot here,. the government would be ment. He rather agreed in the cpinion of the hon. member
hardly dealt with in having all the blame thrown upon ter Kerry that it WAS the kind of relation which subsisted
them for the wart of legislative measures fur Ireland. There between the tenant and the labourer that produced the evil,
was every disposition on the part of government to attend to and that the miseries of the tatter ChM were mainly owing
the representations made to themon Irish affairs, from what- to the former, and not to the landlords. In proof of this
ever quarter they might come. (Hear, hear.) The hon. view lie read some extract.' from the evidence taken before
member for Kerry had alluded to the waste lands as one the Landlord and Tenant Commission. One referred to an
important question which the government had brought for- estate in Armagh, where the tenant right existed, and where
ward and abandoned. The hon. member bad himself given 1,061 tenants held farms of ten acres and more, and 886 coo
evidence of the difficulty of dealing with the subject by tier tenants occupied 536 acres. Among them were 62 indi-
stating that various committees and commissions had recom- victuals living on 28 acres of land. The sum of the whole
mended some one thing and some another, but no two had was that large rents were paid for land by cottier tenants—
concurred in their recommendations. The hen. gentleman some paying as much as 51. pie acre, the tenant himself pay-
might have inferred IS om that, not that the subject was ing ne more than Bs. per ae. Another showed that when
strsightforw.erd end free from ailliculny, but that the 'seta- the tnant's land only cost him 21
. per acre Icysuch arrange-
liar difficulties sure needing the eulenot made it on,. of ro m. nt, the copier paid fur the same land 28i. There were
ordinary embarrassment, and one an which the full atten- some eases, indeed, in which the labourer paid at the
totera of
ton of all the Irish members was required. (Hen a hear.) 121. per acre to the tenant. the pointed, therefore, e
The hon. member for Stroud had quoted on the subject at facts to show that the relations in question required the revi-
landlord and tenant the evidence given before Lord Devon r sion of parliament far more titan that between land-
commission; but that commission did not recommend tenant- of
and tenant. It was, indeed, the crying evil
Ireland. Another subject referred to by the bon.
right; it had not gone so tar as the bill which the government
had introduced. That bill hail been carefully investigated member was the poor law in Ireland. He (Sir W. Somer-
before a select committee; and he hoped that the considera- villa) did not look upon the Irish poor law as perfection ;
tion it had received would be of great benefit when it was re- hot he thought the time had not arrived when the question
introduced. But in:treatment notions as tOtenant•eight were could lie fairly reopened, in accordance with the desire of
not countenanced in that bill, and could not be recognised several hony gentlemen, repreeentatives of Ireland, expressed
with any regard to the interests of property, or of the tenants in the early part of the present !cession of parliament. It was LONDON. MONDAY. JULY 31.
themselves. (Heart hear.) As to incite lands, it had been generally admitted that the proposition was not reasonable ;
proposed to appropriate 500,0001. for their reanimation, Meng andhe could take no blame to toe government for refusing it. IRELAND, in labour of rebellion, has brought forth
with another million sanctioned by another act; so that There were, however, many details of the poor law which re- the veriest mouse. The chiefs of the physical-force
whatever blame attached to the government for abandoning paired amendment ; and he bad authority from the noble repealer° have just done enough to bring themsel‘ es
the scheme, at least the landlords had derived the benefit set lord at the head of the governme•it to say that if such was within the verge of treason without being sufficiently
the half million fur the reclamation of wastes. He must say the wish of the Irish members a committee would be bold or aucceseful to render that treason even respect-
the government was not prepared to embark in an extensive granted early in the next session to inquire into the
scheme for reclaiming waste lands. Already a bill had been working of teat law in Ireland. He hoped that the able. The end of all their school-boy speeches has
passed, giving extensive powers for the purpose, but some- members of Ireland would hold to the poor-law as the been scarcely a stur ty barring out. Smart O'BRIEN
how it had remained a dead letter. if tlds arose from some foundation of all legislation. In all changes hitherto the has betaken himself from club to club, ap-
defect in the machinery, let it be amended ; for there was poor of Ireland had been neglected ; that was what he had pealed to their valour first, and then to
no indisposition on the part of the house to render every to chorea the Irish landlords with. There was, in fact, plenty their compassion. But, like the hare with many
assistance they could for this puroose. The Farmers' Es- of law tor the rich in that country, but there was none for frith
state* Act would also contribute to secure the same end, the pa„r. Ile regretted the neceaeity which had compelled the uits, not an animal of the field, either of
which would be better promoted by them two acts than by goy, rnment to abandon the several measures introduced by the fleet or of the strong, would consent to take the
them ter the relief of Ireland ; but every one knew the dif- heated hare upon his croup. The first reliance of
the scheme which the government had ahandened. It was
said the great evil of Ireland was the laud question; but this lieu:tens which they had had to contend with, in the optima O'BRIEN and MEAGHER was on the valiant citizen-
and many other evils were to be met less by legislation than tim they received, and in the peculiar and unprecedented clubs—the men of Waterford and the men of Dublin.
by landlords anxiously dischareino their duties and striving circumstances of the times. Ile could not understand the
to better the condition of those around them. Hu re- objections made to the Coercion Bill; on the contrary he But the brawling owns-folk thought discretion
petted the evictions as much as any one ; puha- was satisfied it had done great good. The best answer he the better part of valour. The disappointed chiefs then
ment hail already gone as far as they could in men- could give on the subject was the fact that whereas in Be- tried the peasants of Carrick and of Mullinahone.
sures for preventing these abuses. He slid not believe cember, 1817, there were 2,162 ou•rages reported to the Finding the labourers and the priests deed
any measure could wholly prevent evictions ; all Dublin police, there were in June, 1818, only 1,168 reported. against him, the recently crowned King of aleesrsa, I
they could do was to render their occurrences less It had been urged that Roman catholies hail not had a fair
cull e hunted
frequent. He did not think the house would go the length share of promotion in the government, but that was not a"' tie
if the subterranean pop game,
of the mince were
took earth to try
of sanctioning a bill founded on the principles advocated by the fact—tor there was Mr. Redineton, a man distinguished population
the bon, member for Stroud. He could net admit the maxim for honour and talent, the Atterneynaeneral, Mr Baetwin, benighted enough to follow him. Even here he
that the possession of land was the right of the poor ; on Mr.
Pigott, MA others, the last, r promoted to the olti.On e..eild win no followers, and in his utter distraction
the other hand, it was the bane of Ireland; and though he of Chiet Baron of Ireland. With regard to the ques- this demented rebel actually beseeched a squad of
would not forcibly throw small farms into large ones, lie tion of the Irish church, or rather the Irish ecclesiastical
lice to deviate
thought it would be much better if persons of capital would establishment, he (Si, W. S.) agreed wholly with his right po. for him.
\Vhat hallucination was his ! In what a world of
take farms, and employ the poor is mins ea labourers. The hon. friend the Home Secretary on that subject, and whoever
sooner the conger° system was brought to an end, and the brought it toe settlement, not by destroying but by adjust- dreams has this unfortunate man been living, all the
sooner something was adopted more analogous to the system ing without offence to one or triumph to another, should time that he imagined himself a conspirator and a po-
which prevailed here the better. (Hear, hear.) The go- have his best support. Right should be done in the matter; et ei
n : ea it
eiall . ssaRIEN'S acts show him to have been
yernment would always, both in its executive and legisla- when it was done, all parties would be satisfied, and he hod no •
and to have believed the reality and
tive capacity, do al in their power for bettering the condi- doubt it mulittend to lay more elf, ctually than arty other mea- °were,
tion of Ireland ; and he should hail with great satisfaction a the asseverations, the
greater union of feeline araonest Irish usendrers with regard sure the foundation of peace and tranquillity in Ireland. The truth of the bluster,
hon. member for Kerry hoped that while the leaders of the oaths, the eloquence, that Drawled around him.
to the character of the measures that were desirable. (Hear.) poor people in the pre sent movement would he punished the Ile was one of a set of actors, and he was mad
He also thought that by such union of feeling more might he government would act with moderation towards their vie- enough to believe the comedy real. Guilty as the
effected by the Irish gentlemen in their social capacity. On tints. He (Sir W. S.) felt bound to bear his testimony to
man is, his idiocy is greater even than his guilt.
the subject of the p.rato crop, te, hail the pleasure to state the high eharach-r et the Lord Lieutenant of lrelan.l, and
But fully as guilty, and to our minds one thousand
that the last returns were at a more satisfactory character considered it a shame to his country to see it brought, on& r
than were those of the few preceding days; and there WWI the government of mice a man, to the verge of rebellion. times more mean, are the cowardly wretches whose
:ens= to hope that in those district% where the disease had
Jusuce would be done on the wicked men who had misled adhesion and excitement, whose following and orate-
been most extensive, some check hail been nppcssed to it, the people; but the people would be treated with rill ho- nisation, whose promises and applause impelled
and that the greater part of the crop might tura out good maaity. ife should vote against the motion of the hon. es o
.n ssRIEN and MEAGIIER from step to step, and from
(Cheers.) member fur Rochdale, as it would he only raising false hopes
Col. DUNNE, in alluding seriatim to the several latish without the opportunity of fulfilling thorn. plot to overt rebellion. They were left in the
questions that had been named, expressed his conviction the Mr. F. O'CONNOR ascribed the whole of the distress of consciousness that an army awaited them, when in
the fisheries was one of the most repulse questions in Ireland, Ireland to the neglect of the landlords, and to the non•per- fact they were merely pushed forward to a scaffold,
and one which he hoped would soon re..eive the conaidera- formance of their duties ; hence they were always coming to and left unpitied and alone to perish.
Lion of parliament. A measure to secure a due compenea the house for measures to enable the government to do what Is —e
tract that Irish agitation will ever and from
Lion to the tenant was also one of great imp trtance. The they had neglected to do themselves. He asked the govern•
present poor law was most de f. ctive, and would merit if, when other countries were advancing, Ireland henceforth hide its head. There is shame as well as
prove so soon, earn if the potato crop did not should be allowed to retrograde. The noble lord last night guilt upon it. As to a law against the club?,
Gil. The last failure was not known until the stated that early marriages we re the cause of some of the or a proclamation against them surely such
first week in August. It would be much better misery of Ireland. Why, would the prevention of such a thing were gratuitous ; since the accuse-
for the legislature to take measures of precaution marriages prevent the increase of that population ? tion of belonging, or having belonged to them, must
against such a calamity, to prevent the necessity of their (Laughter.) He complained that he had never heard two
quite enough to weigh clown any one's conscionsneas FRANC&
Acing called together again in autumn. The Irish members Irish 'itemisers agree as to the exact nature of the ameliora- be
had been twitted with their want of unanin.ity ; but on one tive measures which Ireland required. When he first en- or sense of shame. Hundreds, indeed, *ill disown— PAR.'S, SATtRDAT, 6.30 rah.
tercel the house it was as a member from Ireland, sent there hundreds will deny—they ever meant to go to such The debate on M. Prudhon's preject of confer*
subject they were all agreed ; there was but obe opinion
thronekeut the country as to the inefficiency of the present by the constituency of Cork to advocate the measure of a
assembly,qnce
extremities. But can these hundreds say that they tion, which was to have taken place to-day in the
poor law. Ile was of opinion that the excited state of Ire- Tepee' on the union. He undertook at that time, with all never seconded by a cry, or
ompeololedwhboyvaentureOUdt,fotre-he
land was only dangerous in consequence of the distress. sincerity, to discharge his trust to the best of his ability ;
t te drec klesespokiem• of th
Wicked emissariesloul gone among t the people and stirred but he very soon found, upon his admission to the tin ortuna 80 re absence of tfP°NnledM.tiThil iNeirosn, daiayenardin e°111..,
sad
them up against the authorities; but be was wholly Mere- honed, that that measure was but—to use the language of moat on the plank? The morality of physical-force agi- other leading deputies, who have gone to Rouen to
aulous as to the extent of disaffection. or that the people the right hon. the member for tarns—" a splendid Lotion is made terribly plain and certain by this mock attend the ceremony of the opening of the Rouen sad
were armed in considerable numbers. He elil not deny that phantom." The manner in which it had been treated by „below,
the agitation was dangerous ; but many of the leaders were those who w. re sent to the home ton present the same prin. Instead of concentrating all blame upon Dieppe ltailway.
ad-mockery, a
ciples rendered the aivocacy of that measure " a the leaders, it eheds a full portion of guilt and a fuller The question of a second chamber may be regarded
utterly visionary and ignorant, and no more capable of he
ing an insurrection than the hon. member for • troud was delusion, and a snare." The evils of Ireland were deeply portion of shame upon those who befouled these men as practically decided in the negative. 01 the fifteen
capable of improving Ireland with his bills. (Laughter.) rooted in the soil. They were planted there by long years of into leadership, and betrayed them into rebellion. bureaux into which the assembly is resolved, fourteen
They were men who ought to be locked up, list miseovernmeut, and required the most extensive and com- Much credit is due throughout such trying and have decided against two chambers. Even the club
they should hurt themselves and others. (Herne hear.) prekensive measures to eradicate them. Thepresent govern- critical times to the executive government of Ireland. of the Rue de Poitiers which includes the :chief part
These disturb:Aces had been much more cot eon since the ment, lace the several ether governments that had preceded
introduction of the poor law ; that law, in fact, rendered it it, had pursued the old beaten track sf coercion to core the It was long tolerant and lenient. But the eye of the ex-deputies and the party of the old centre
impossible for the people to be content. Ile regretted that evils of leased. But they would fail, as they had hereto. of vigilance never closed ; no opportunity was left, are divided upon it, and many who are strongly
the government held out no hope of this law being re con. fore failed, in doiag everything else but increasing them. thrown away; no weak side was ever offered opposed to ultra-democracy are nevertheless adverse
sidered before next session ;no more import int subject could The noble lord and his colleagues hod been always most to the secret foe. As long as the agitation was a to a second legislative chamber. It is now an-
engage their attention. profuse with their professions of liberality and their legal one, it was met with grave warnings, yet without nonneed that the delegates from the bureaux will
Mr. It. M. FOX said he bed, that morning, received a advocacy on remedial measures when out of ofliee ; irritating provocation. But when it came forth close their discussions with the committee of the eon-
letter from a gentleman a magistrate for three counties, and but when in office they forgot all those proles- 0
a pet diced agriculturist, assuring him that there was no pro- sions, and only thought of dery
eat Ireland, mad-openly to defy the government, and to appeal to the stitution about the middle of next we k ; and it is
spect of a potato failure, that the harvest was likely to he a dened by this treatment, was induced to look .1 t other final trial of force, which red t, have been serious, probable that about the middle of the following week
good one, and that the people were perfectly quiet in county means of enforcing its rights; and now parliament, tit the then the Irish government did 8881/MC the offensive, M. art
will present to the assembly the an:ended
Longford'. (Hear.) In reply to the challenge thrown out out ut an eight mouths' sitting, was about to break up with- did attack conspiracy with skill, with patience, and draft of the constitution.
by the Right Hon. Secretary of Stat.., hr would suggest that out pawing one measure that would be calculated to lessen with perseverance, until it was driven forth to An improved project of M. Man Faucher, having
arterial drainage was one of the Most importent weeks that the tenor set dissontent that prevailed in that country.. v
cou'd be undertaken, which he would defray by the sale of might cli.psnd upon it that the government would discover
They those desperate yet feeble efforts which we at present for its an ameliorated system of the discount
the crown lands in Ireland. One millionof money would cm- their mistake before very long, and would regret that they t )ate, and which in the • '
of fear, object
subvention of the Co ails
eon emp w ,
ploy a million men, at 10d. a day, fur four months. At pre- had rot acted in an entirely different spiry
towards that we can afford to pity. General, has been received with great approbation by
sent great waste occurred in the works carried nn under the country. He would not detain the house any longer at that If, however, we give tt-e due mead of approbation the Committee of Fitfan,CS. The effee. of this as-
sent
of Works. Oa the subject of the Irish church, he must late hour, hut would give his hearty support to this motion of to the executive government of Ireland, we cannot I ran;ementvrill be to extend the benefit of these banks
express his eonviction that it was not at all an injury. In tho the hon. member for Rochdale.
late period of distress the protestant enemy had been of Mr. NEWDEGATE then rose to address the house, but extend any judgment of the kind to the legislative to the departments, instead of limiting them, as
eminent service ; and it war a misrepresentation to say that was very imperfectly heard in the gallery, in consequence of conduct of ministers. From first to last their policy hitherto, to the ciief towns. The committee, after a
their merits were not appeeciated by the Roman catholic the keel calls fora division. He was underetoon to defend with respect to Ireland has been a miserable failure. long discussion, in which all the leading members
population. the established church of Ireland from the attacks with And never was that failure more signal than took a part, appointed a sub-committee to examine
Mr. CLEMENTS said that the language of the hon. which it had been assailed, contending that its overthrow in the speech of the Prime Minister on Friday. the project, consisting of MM. Fagrierre Lonvet, Gar-
member for Stroud was calculated to do great injury-in would be the destruction of the last link which hound the
Ireland. Was it right, on the eve of an insurrection, that two countries together. Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD may have made a very pier Pages, De Latonche, and Deslougrais.
the hon. gentleman should hold up, at he did, the landlords Mr. REYNOLDS said that the hon. member for Long. loose, and ill-timed, and inefficient, speech. But the The club of tho Institute, under the presidency of
of Ireland to the execration of the mob ? (Hear, hear.) The to was not, as the hon. member for Warwickshire seemed ministerial one in answer was lamer and looser still. aL Garnier Paw* has come to a resolution to oppaelf
hon. member for Stroud had done the greatest injury in this to suppose, a Roman catholic : he was, on the contrary, a If it was anything at all, Lord JOHN RUSSELL'S was a the principle of the progressive impost, us partebeg
country by setting man against man, for ho held up the zealous protestant. The hon. and learned member for speech for the repeal of the union. 'What was the spirit of communism. The members of this club
landlords of Ireland as the cause, of the unprecedented din- Youghal (Mr. anew was indeed a Roman catholic, but he
tress which afflicted Ireland last year. With respect to the was only a convert, having just recently renouncel what it frombeginningto end but an excuseforministers ave aso resolved to op -an
h 1 poss y further grants of
measure before the house, the noble lora at the head of the he now called the errors of pr
eat Whether the ac the
and for parliament doing nothing ? Government had money, or other public expenses, except such as
~
government had, by his coaduct, placed the Irish members cession of the hon. and learned member to his (Mr. Rey. taken power with the best intentions ; but what with Minister of Finance shali be responsible for, and shall
in the greatest difficulty. The noble lard's speech had die- not church was an advantage to that church he would famine one year, rebellion another year, and the indicate the source from which the necessary opiates
appointed the representatives for Ireland. (Hear, hear.) All not pretend to decide. (A laugh.) This was, however, interminable talking of members all years, it was are to be derived.
classes in helmet had watched the progress of legislation for clear, that the opinion of this new Roman catholic, that impossible to
that country, during the present session, with great anxiety. the Roman catholies of Ireland looked upon the protestant carry through one measure for the im- The death of General Damesme was aunounced to
and he wee sorry that at its close their wishes and hopes had church there with no ell, but considered it, in faCt,irather provement of Ireland. have taken place this afternoon.
been much disappointed. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord a blessing than otherwise, IMP an opinion utterly unde- It is difficult to have patience with the nullity of The Committee of Finances has made a report ed
held out no bright prospects for the next session. The noble serving of the slightest attention. It was ridiculous to sup- these excuses. Why that very famine, which the favourable to the treaty between the Lyons Itaileral
lord had said he was not responsible for the progress of pose that an establishment so enormously disproportioned to minister puts forward as the cause of his doing Company and the Minister of Finance. the committee
with
re in that house ; but he thought that the legislation the re al wants of the religionists availing themselves of its
with reload to Ireland had more than its fair share of delay, services, and supported to the extent of nine-teuths at least g, was onthe contrary an event out of ic as, in ten of it,
nothing, - l! proposed that the company should
In the le vent petition of Ireland he was net prepared to of the expenses by men who conscientiously a skilful cud an earnest statesman would have finish the railway to Montereau, and immediately
vote for the motion of Mb hon. member for Rochdale, followed another creed—it was preposterous to suppese drawn a new and immense force for the open that p:ation of the line; the government M
although, if the debate had been closed last night, he would such an
tosseablishment could be otherwiee than passing of remedial and efficient measures. We finish the rest of the line to Lyons., and to lease this
have supported that motion. displeasing that vast majority who felt injestiee are aware of the difficulty of legislating for Ireland— part of the line to the company during the term of
Sir D. NORREYS Baia that the same motive which in. on so tender a point. He should support the motion before ..•
duced the hon. gentleman to vote galenist the motion— the house, not, of course, from any idea that practical results
. a difficulty of a very different kind from any that the original contract.
namely, the present state of Ireland, would induce him to could follow from it thin year, but because the propositions • • Lord iolnN ItussELL stated. That difficulty lice in SrNDAY, 11.30 R.g.
vote for it. A great deal of the evictions to which the bon. which composed it would, it assented to, hold out hopes to the constitution of parliament, in the predominance cif Gen. Demesme, of whose death I sent you a opal
member for Stroud alluded 110.3 owing to the present poor the Irish people of good coming to them at the earliest period the landlord interest in one house, and its monopoly in my letter of lad evening, is the seventh truer'',
law and the division of union districts. There would be a of the next seesion. of the other. How is a minister to induce the pas- officer lost to France in consequence of the affitir °`
continuance of such evictions till the present area of rating Mr. STAFFORD said that almost every member who
was altered. It was a mere delusion imported on his country- had spoken had reproached the government with having ' ,
seesors of land, the owners of rents and tithes, to June.
men to suppose that a parliament occasionally sitting in failed to fulfil the promises which, out of office, and again pass saws of tenant security, church reform, It will be remembered oca
that soon after the colic
Dublin would prove a benefit to his country. Ho would when last acceding to office, they had made tO do various cultivation of waste lands ? The people of Ireland try tion of the assembly on the 4th of May, N. Recall,

PART of the regulations for conferring the Nara
war medal will, if terictly acted upon, work great
injustice to many gallant officers and men, and defeat
the very object fur which the original desi4n was ex-
tended. Tire criterion of reward except to the case of
actions for which medals were granted to the captain,
is " the speeml approbation of the Admiralty at the
time," marked " by the promotion of the 4ecr eon.
dueling the enterprise."
Now, this presumes, what few will be so hardy as
to assert, that in every instance from the year 1793
to 1815, the Admiralty always did justice to
those officers who sietnalised themselves in best
and other actions. Wo believe, that the contrary is,
on very many occasions, the case; for though brilliant
affairs could not be passed over, it often depended
upon circumstances unconnected with the h .zsrd
countered, or the bravery displayed, whither any
promotion took place. If the licateneet commanding
were a person whom the Admiralty wished to pro-
mote, advantage was taken of an opportunity, or some-
times mere ex use, for doing sn. If he were friend.
less the action remained unnoticed. Again, the molt
of any enterprise, so far as it led to
promotion, greatly depended upon the ability or
elination of the captain to make a glowing
and animated, pothibly a highly-coloured report. For
these accidents or injustice it seems that tie officers
and men who were present are now to be punished,
by withholding the medal from them. The pro ‘, imete
cause of the medal being granted at all, is tl:e bestowal
of a medal for the war in China. It was too &neat
to see every man and boy who was employ,.; in g
bloodless war against semi-b erbarians decorated, while
the veterans of the longest and most sanguinary con-
test ever known were neglected. As the Chinese
war furnished the precedent for the new war medal,
the proceedings in that war with ,reference to the
amount of danger incurred and courage and conduct
shown, ought also to have furnished a rule by which
services in the revolutionary war should be esti-
mated. From the immense number of engacements,
Promotion attended only the mast consPeuou.4, gene-
rally according to some precedent, except under the
pemliar circumstances above alluded to. But there
was hardly one of chow unrewurded affairs that did
not exceed in importance and danger, if not in gal-
lantry, any of the affairs with the wretched Wane.
Since 1816, and especially in and since 1827, decora-
tions and promotion have flowed in a far more gene.
roue manner than before the peace with France;
and if a war medal were to be given at
all to the veterans from 1793 to 1813, it is
not just to adopt tha severest teat to which
their services could be subjected, namely, that
of the promotion of the commanding officer. Bat
this is not all. Promotion may have been the result
of actions, though under the present rule the partici-
pators iu them will be excluded from the medal.
After a long series of services against the enemy, the
commanding officer was often eventually promoted foe
them, thong h, perhaps, in a geneml promotion. 'I his will
not be called a mark of the special approbation of the
Admiralty, and, probably, will not come within the
rule. Fifty instances of this kind could he named;
and unless the regulation receives a far more
liberal interpretation than its words lead as to
expect, two-thirds of the old wee officers, and seamen
and marines will be treated with great hardship,
and, we repeat, the principle upon which the reward
was instituted will be defeated. Instead of beinga
"comprehensive" and generous measure, gratifying
to the feelings of the veterans of the war, it will be
narrow and invidious, and the source of heart-burn-
ings and discontent. It' every man and boy who was
in China or on the coast oi Syria is to have the medal,
upon what principle are those to be excluded who
were frequently under tire, and actively employed for
years on every contingency of arduous eerviie against
the mast powerful enemy this country ever knew?
Because injustice was done then, injustice ought not
to be done now.