The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-10 00:00:00

THE NAVIGATION LAWB.

Mr. LABOIJCHERE, is answer to a question from Mr.
ReetNeett, said that he should not state what the resolution
was that it was his intention to propose to the house on the
subject of the navigation laws until the Speaker had left the
chair, as a debate might other wise spring up and vory much
Mug the PrfAF•la of the public business.
RECTORY OF BISHOP WEARMOUTH.
Mr. 1101111 MAN rase to put a gumption to the noble lord,
of which he had already given notice, and he begged to say
that he did so far the purpose only of eliciting
isfortnetion on the subject of the mode in which the patron-
age of the Lord Bishop of Durham had been exercised in a
reoent case. It hal been generally understood that when
the Rectory of Bishop Wearmouth, in the diocese of Dur-
ham, should become vacant, some new arrangement was to
ba effected lathe distribution of the revenues of that weahhy
rectory. He now begged to ask the noble lord whether
be was able to inform the house what that new arrangement
was, more particularly whether any portion of the revenues
was to be given to the other incumbent of the pariah, and if
so In what proportion, and who were the parties to derive
any benefit by this change.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, on receiving notice of the
hon. member's intention, be had written to the Lord Bishop
of Durham on the subject, stating at the same time that tt
was quite optional whether he chose to give any information
on the subject or net. The bishop had, in reply, stated that
he did not remain any right of questioning him on the
subject, unless there was some general inquiry instituted;
but that he did not object to give such information as was
requisite to him (Lord J. Russe4). When the money °s-
coured in the rectory of Bishop Wearmonth by the death of
Dr. Wellesley, a correspondence took place, which was sue-
outdid by a deputation from the ancient select vestry of
Bishop Wearmouth, accompanied by the mayor of Sunder.
land, who waited on the bishop. His lordship received
them, and they then stated their wishes with respect to the
new division and distribution of the revenues of the rectory
of Bishop Wearmouth. Those revenues consisted of tithes,
the rents and profits of glebe lands, smiles fees, rents of
staiths and wayleaves, and rests of oaa4. The deputation
that die tithes, the glebe rents, end the surplice
reosPd should go to the rector of Bishop Wearnioutb, but
that the rents of staiths and wayleaves and of coals should.
bonded intrados*, In ordertooocotkata a fend out of which
an human should be made to the /scones of the four other
imembents or the parish of Bishop Wearmouth. The
=look the peeved into his consideration. and having
whit sum Ambient authorities on the subject, be
made en srmegessmit which corresponded almost with the
letter of Me tome reposed by the deputation—namely, the
tithes, glebe and surplice lees were henceforward to go to the
rector of Mop Wearmouth, and the other portions of the re.
hvenue, skim feestaithe, waylay, and coal rents were to
lei.in Inelese to form a fund to be apportioned
amongst the bur insumbents of St. Thomas, Deptford. By.
hope, and Hylton. It appeared that the whole value of the
rectory of Bishop Wearmouth was 8,8281, out of which the
late rector paid 161., leaving 2,2231. for hinted/. Under
the new divides about 1,2001. would form the rector's M-
ame, and the somniader would be divided between his cu-
rates and the km incumbents, which latter would have
about 1,6001. divided amongst them. The oorreopondenee
had ended on the part of the deputation by their mks" the
letter to the Lord Bishop, dyed en their behalf
by Mr. John Scott :
Me. 110.—My Lawk—l hid the ploamoof ooh.
"Ir heard tho nth tootaufto a mallog of lha
molest mein desmersteg, whom ft was useelmendyres.
MOM Iletote the deem= allot IDIOM I &NM toolleite oar
=rat warmest dribs eke WY worm le wawa pew
bee nooshed the weppedeee we embroils weir. eweleedie
pad wok& and am youriaMokephea down Imo* Woplrtlomt
ware et ele greet seleal PIA& Them vskiam
owl ma ma
seremeninde yew Ilswrkend=ilmielow_.ll:lt
veer the lludie afienee
lb. mo mow OW/A7 OMB Or IMP have
the Meow te Witt, Awe Boon.
Mr. HORSKAM sated whether the kw Moonbeam were
to have the 1,6001. added anseept them id i.e..
Lewd J. RUSSELL add that from the 8011 of May the
death sod way-law rents and coal rents WM JO be paid to
trostme for their basset.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
Oa die me*. of Lord J. Ituunaz the house agreed at its
doing to adjeura L
to Moisday CLERGYMEN.
Mr. CBRGYILBE.
Kr. GRANO= bsgpd is sok the white Iced below him
whether the goveosmest Intended es king any bet heard
this smoke to rand of warn metediar *ma thelkinik
of from the geed esnessmeness incurred by their
pi in odor plated windup.
Lord . RUSSELL replied that the goveriment bad no
such intention.
IRISH POOR COMMITTEE.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to a question from Mn
Henry, stated that Ils irt hon. friend intended to Warn
the committee is the bhk poor, and moat probably wow
add Mr. Bright's nem to h.

PUBLIC ACCOUNTS.
Tbs CHANCILLO) of the BICHBQUIJA .dad. h
reply le • 'wade& in Mr. J. B. &silk kW the Trotsky
Dad Mesa seeps to any eat la Iran Dr. Remise' neelw
tisk Wood le by the Mew ea the *oth May lest, relative to
the estesse al ltkg the plaits seseash..
Mr. ISMS eeM *Mt tits red impart of die weeklies of
ide Ma. !Yd was to brims the Wake. animism. sea
°OW meek inat of he per IMMO 'nasally mkt
the sad wakes of he hewn
COZPUS SUSPINSION (111.1LANDiases
Mir of the be banralttitseed media,: of ties
VIC4MaTiI red
add that be ballast Mak ane chile
allytwahl whisk asaM haw Ma to wee to he
• asisoist. It has OW he les mama Os pew
,Fisis=ra miksal egitatim k Leine. Bat it
/shades that tie peereasas waked to
• leippossela; mad be waked the book sad BwOhle mem
bino petionler. that they ewe smog Wallin
ebb • power whisk would ems k the end Is he
faked spied titaseshis. The pawkymews was
te he asompaked ley wither hr the mom/ el the Mum
whisk nabbil ha sine pants if Mimi. Mk maid sat oppose
lbst Oa aftemini tbe pow
r_ Is sato Os pow dade bp
t••••• ••Ps• as it thebil=
dislike Wen the result tithe wiegninunent of Oat
essaley. end es hag as the milk whit of gov_me.... im Mr
. amilakel so imirwtonid dieler kiss bo tabs Ma bad
kited ler Mae wham Mae* jpoust melee
frisk • •••••• alwkilowies of gable ia
sad Ike mosiMig kw knibalisen Ms beep.
Oak, sad be awl mad his wee whist he bib
Ph. SADLIII adtamiedgei Hsi eirsimelhalw hiOt
arise le Judd then. wisetwit babas kawhaikkg
• .n...ia.7=0.4 hew to
Add. sima of
of lde Mow
amielipma ; bat bis ill"Wthat in On mask beaks
goesiumat bed did to make cut a use fee the coati-
:name el asiodw systole is Ireland. (Hear, Mar.)
It was eitotity of murk, that under to
of the saMlas hipension act, ken had bus
but 120 individuate arrested. He was not aware west
et that aszatisr maimed still maw hug ;
Lettathere were bat eiz oat of the U 0 be shoal* watMor
that it innahlied swag panda hr :tentd da posswit
prophition. Ile shigMber desied d Sato was Ito.
et bake ea the part of the punk st Iseiad isesmie
Dee Wiest y ; the people bed lewd al audimok ad
refitted say haw to phse hi& he theponwhis
mss et bee )WM7% Waimea It wait be tea
govenmeat se beer I. mall that the bide pas*
are mwaboble moos the madam al the orb tor he
relaatiee of thilr pelithe eisailisalleas and
NM the Lebo people wens as a media .1 bar.
Mahn,: a panel -of lawidpisi by
(A laugh)
pendants wee Islmphil by a
hsa the Hems Lialsorbe 'spired at trisai:
awl mama a maimaiii d Si how wide their
looldelpt urea the WPM of the miming of yobbo
S. The following gmtlesess. who wen slipknd
mongers of the °entwines, tin seekepanied the
'manager to the Homo of Leek vii.: sir. 0 Om, Sir U.
per, Sir R. IngUs, Mr. Brad, Mr. Harpy Mr. W. Patten,
Sir J. Y. BnUer, Lord Ikeda, the Arismey Osaeral, the
Bad of Arsadel sad Surrey. Mr. Thome*, Kr. Maley,
sad Mr. Ewan;
Oa he return d the -amps fils O. GRIT sowsmosel
at the Isar that their beak., lad awasseinaki
nosintisk to whisk Ibq diked the smenweass el tbe
beak

11r. RADLEIR nessod. The Chasesibr of the Rieke-
quo bad so other remedy to Fosse bat a smell bubbliest
etas esonants suss which weak be opitile to pee mut-
ational aid to the destitute is these dieleiste he MS gado&
of two mouths. But the sable hod at the hod of the
IM=t, when called ups to leash upon the* all-
sla question, the Find* gad d. of the
UM poor law, did set Old called spa to seats
to the boos what opkillas be had hoed with
rokrusse to the Find* of the atedgmety et the law ;
lhe dished dedierd to give sei *Nee sad
goallread ), M w hatnot,
oil with smaziag the Masa OM he had
hoed olds WO= Oda he khaki to lay begin the
sommilbe. Whoa arse senabers of the cahust, la the
oars 111 Ole mob, hi anal apes to take pit Is a debate
ea a Folio of as wok Opostasse, it ill bosom dos to
the the rasetlive emerges which they had adogisi, sad it
was bat 111 onleglasil te Induos the Fob of baked le *es
osidsase it a eislaistratio, when mob inpatient saga
less of the Ombilmitiga alwistiter declined to adore Oat
eras their soinislises or what views they were Found to
eakileis so tie potobb et thet inFrhia mai sue. The
Roe ismeary is
wads
as kd moo that be
isonnible to • arikaha k the area 0 . The
. of the 27411*.1N sawed as ditiestly last
=stint he was es afoot' is sa istremsd sea of
; ad the sable lad at the had if the
Mani lis hit washer he bad e=ealr 1111:71.e.
*leek Itwss She want of byes WM
siobistsatien that was the 111116 ewe of the dimeslste
digokhelics k the Wads et the pole of leelsed.
* saw tint oaks
polo
bog the Food adakk
list onessolos polo sad osessedo Folludons.
rza,
the nab lied ore to adopt • mess of remedial heti&
Ilea hr blind, lie shook bare
pan se alik isbim bbile; as NO&
MOS est_ swims* et as ansi *sign tbat
he Ma a ala or sosalince la pesdakes le
saaanstag hem
. the Wage bosh. e saw sot smowt the iambus
. 0 the Celia theß habits of bestow The Ma.
WINO qpile wee Par• Law Oseemisheer gad
Cidd Sementy Mr ached, ad he (Mr daileir) mid that
was of the km smegaisais kr he beedasliss of Ida
1•411111:111 Me this bare Monk be as ratiosat of the
Ask ka. boa Om (Mar of these It ins is.
palble ant She st
sight bon. gostlemea swill mooado* dis,
earls the dike Want b hisbelie=
kg Food bed Mawgg k
with of a
.its MAIL for ths=
of lie winks eirshd s te elation
sad Se tie Ode spread of dialintio old=
mint hi Inks& The pops of baked wore
limo 0 ask peat Dinkel oulobedasso Tho legge
iiiiiilla Imam shoo Moo minim et the Foie dime
had wogs Mewl to a madisisa of giant alter
andlaiss i bemuse se oboe or sowstioa bad semnetod
hem the irvionmset talculated to Mine the disintai
mallets
loam had te bass Is say mon Is pro
staets tat of bei
aphid Oda wo iti Irshedja the
oast of that pooketiesely sad boossat ohs, the Naha
hairnets of lOW, It weak be well to teedier Ow
Mgr the blegikelles of some omegas stabiles the Rua et
Inlaid .11 knot Moir sopa.
Trilled byzeidef:rer,,
at the hated propmey of
sabstitote he • seargics bill —.whither it week
set he • gabstiab he Wisdom • bill whisk
would path fir the maw of laded prepay
whisk wog soft oar the easing and ass*
of the bush Cott of Climory. He asked Oink* it me
Fa whether it wee slainsalke, to pass • sisme4..
the het swim whisk snort its other
sago had the oast et waling tam the Coot a Cl- itsesry
k rui a ago assaat of the Loki property of that
mogawy. Tint WI one of the Mesa oak of yew Is-
eumbered Bales WI. Tea had set hergassi the as&
lies kr the sde sr WON of Mad poverty la Ire.
had, bat pas bed roared it snow fir sway la
sold aid
sad egoktor to piss' the prepay wader the
maid sal aehas of the Oust of Cheassq.
Would a set he Warr Se snialame kr the =
a meson whisk weak sews' the trashes a
Oelloge, Dail . le • boar simbishatiss sad son
jest stowage. et the ? ISMS NMI be
owe IWO *vs the yes whisk the Wh-
eats lob of bolsi' woe moist I Rs seed
net Ma the beam of the Wort of those vast oaks Is
Tabled-Ifthe amemens boom dished ilea than Wake—
bat he wail weft lees two of the agars whisk bad
OW mid the mossesmst if them lota la based.
MS. MOM= MI *wady Medd the shakoes pea
the
epic efassidißoiga k bast No. saberssabers
m old be to kerthee the oulla lob of hand
wire dolga, mei to the want ossatia, tut:
some edilleass, sad it was show a otter of
muthe siddlease livod—wWisr Odds co ar 1,000
ddle lead imbed le him. The rest difieulty
OM Oda yus MI le mood ins the oat of oca
lases Damn bad it the roman of ash own soar
hy. The gnat aka of WNW= Moak be to devise
Ike .sot -direst sad sseW moos of iambi the
fidolgiess, skied, gad alma isikstor of the said of
bawd la WM= is his sem . It was asesseary
te doles ego pige by• OM tie -his pion of
'Wand east Illsetkai =cried tie ono el Wei
Oak mead la bob s& bon he holm k
the Ong pepulatka el mail sot fa the ono
at a «ism/ akevap_lite WIWI. Is SS Im-
prover's* or the anhases hod ef the egnagy. Of
Zastal 0 the waft se loss- ma amok thin do
mast dose bask Tang was a* WOO% se Ur-
emia Obit wadi posit the lambale Ws awl egavosioa
laid vegimely k Wok= sa lout reseal
of fn ntlihas OS la In-
fo& minim sib • rated eta less wills hod no
deeds dist tee .'selp mast bobs* sleep dn. Re
biped amels Mat this bill be read a soil time this
day six ands
kr. IL CRAWFORD mondad the amenkagat.
kr R. W. BARRON hared that the Formost sea-
are, sear from toadies to remote trompillity, would sly
gad a Khaki to due dogmas
latned:ZsieLalisseNabeeiliatt was that there was sot at this
ailment is /rebel the MOUS teationsy to Faisal auks-
sisal et wry isstriptios. (Rom, him) Bo MA
'WOO something my diarist from the
meagre ea the sassog of perhaatat. art Id
holed he Isms meow of idiot same Festival mosso to
Omaha biliotty, sans_ mint for teeleiges wade had*,
sag Se bark" to woke thus le woks
the wore thalliess be bad leaked he athe
of the swigs. (iass, hear.) Lit as by ll-
mead massless belie hi a pal liadleril sid Toot
M. titre the horn a boss* Is his had, ad they ;
weld
"la sea
e*remost in bag essaties of the
=k. neasdhotgovos bad a barest is m.ll
that to as kisi.wooll km curs
They took wino era IMO/ of the of liar
chews,, of lasb, sad 0 lambsinsa se they basso
karbis.rraj: epthalaMrsuadVl,4 or
or
boilsol, oil yea ovoid scit Nis wishing sembly Mr
pates she gam (Res, ham.)
Hr. IL CRAWFORD, Oa who vogy s,wr
odentesd te Oise %Lard Olegasits's lotter,iblisesseat
wa
cs whisk
ed. the appliindos le pelliont he Me pilot bill
s head
CoL TROILISM said Mat te the so
OMs Bekaa Clow IITO,111•111=11 Wass
rkeentlMMOS it diet sompaiss for •WO haw ea
the weft of as ammilive prommailist koreshigodad
them
imirtein it
tiatib
et 'my the= liii&alisieVesishesi

It the English
*used I
o. (11,141nr,

the Irish amendises of dna haw
talasisa were ad amass M is
the low imamate podima;9•lo
Meld ham ban "lad
puma& Ow a sheets meorm;ild with, r
W
Odha meashen vete foe the ser
1111 tb• that the mama would !.
Riltalargesoldalast bus Ms Mandan at he.,.
al bill to tar a eisservotha open it, WHIM'
Mao fume who had jant fat dew*
lee mai =ag his
portisolady whoa be Omni ma Ma. Milt:
lam inteaskeas Mae game miewill• u 100• bY mn
a tutor as tint weitasaley Laid (Hoer.) Nod,
whoa she posiest aware was‘elbdight helm the ead,
he (Mr. rno) ewe It a Mame anpgail. Amu. he am
Wired am Mot ma plead la • vary pedlar pest-
gut mge egUlaammetien vu not a medt em• lall Rid a
Iloilo mem am the pert a the salmis vienldhave pinotpal
du mama ge WM (Hear.) HO kunst say that Ewe
was a den ame date it asp is Mind new. Without ilt
all depoodatiss the Mira of laid Clatendeae ha
=ithere had bus a mod mammary
t abilities paid. an =Mr log, end he
mall net hr as la of blew tee what his War had dean
to ensue the hawk bowleg dome to Ida. (Hear, bear.)
TM Lad litenteamnt bad simply date:what say dim able
`insist elks well do. He ail had ma army of SUM
tsar h.
sanAllairist We Alan,
oes%sod by moms MOO
less.
lap la . (Hese, Mak) TM gmenuatt were
mat
peWq
to sergend the Ham Corm' Amt. Inuit
aplittima lama dug* ia ist tenrit six mouths ? Were
they es go m psepetnally this ad. ma 2Sr
hem tat- Omomeitimal ? henna am
gents waits the ealy two Emma for Irelead iamb bee
I Imastere bed popmatled. (User, hear.) One
gime down to the sad asked for a grant orraS
ape the mat they earns down and asked is a enmpeadis
at Sasso Cairo Amt. Did they all this sevemmint V
r Hs sad What was the malt of the Dawn
Cr'omboen ? Whyy, that shy • green stiPtitt bat Imo
Inearted. mod blue bomb presattsd; that meandadea
al sothiag amanm Om male the Crnieulidatod Puma with
the neat d the Idol wisatiabakey. That eismaisa
ematisdod ita mod is 1110, sat Rem that day to this all
then me am was to male ski ps.esent of the Irish ems-
ea the Oesemilidoil Tani (Hear, hear.) TM
gemenimat woes now @gaggle the Comeliaut hand
soda, sale der they LA as that alai sadisinaly
Mei IRV ale impstal eim Omni AM He &-
Dented Rua Ms pima, sad ale! s the Wm et the Lord
Lieutenant, Mash he emeldered dkinisMal (Hear, hems )
The 'Maas calomel who had jot Massed We house wu
for sampeading the at far three meths, but he (Mr. Or.
bona) would net es set to Ile snip aria for is. day
tosser, bemuse he did pet Adak it memory, and he
wee sore is was not hooded apes the
of Nudes. (Applause.) He wished to knolriatt.t
had become e/ all the moons whisk the noble lord
at the heed of the gmerammat bad ecasidared
mean time am to mu the sale of Inlind ? When-4
be..... of the Irish aura question, and all tho ether
measures sad plans which the noble lord was to brio' ilia-
weed on wean" into allies? Let the noble lord tail the bowie
what was the *lay he iateadal to pursue with »gird to Its.
lead if this perpetual mats: was to go on of suegesdag the
Habeas Deems Mt NM reads( iiiefaey, He seeped that
Oho UM Ideational, MI Mina' it alga to /mad ea the
men who were sew payiag the mai of their Mom in a
gaol, and to stets that he saw so of onaltion on the
part of the men who had ia the late die.
turban's. He had no sympathy Me Ma. amber for
Limerick in his agitation fur the raged of the auks ; but
bee ilej,laisi Ins were theming poorer fate that boa.
andaloses mad gide' ma Impetus to the repeal agita-
tion, by sue a meson MB Ito prism ; and he,
hems, sheerfally vote for the samidneat. (Applause.)
Hr. REYNOLDS said that on the promsat eIP ho
hit se difficulty wha•ever is giving his vote, hi
he MA read with narked attention ally gado,
whist bad beat delivered on the iaas of
this measure; sad he was fete to maim OM be amid
not lad may agomosati in then to inserylke ensman of
the mime Neglienber. It wee fidz~ ea all Maio NM
Mimi wu isomilly tranquil. He homed wig star Mot
it tem the trinquillity at pourty—alaint the hmagNE:
the gram He (Mr. Reynolds) deeply lli
CharadeCharadehad leca indand to write ra saw to thm
government to whisk so many re/masa bed beta alemdp
made, become if the Mato it mobbed ware asp el a
Milos Wray would be Wasted is Ms admildnan.
isHear.) Re mused the home Hen Ihe people of Ireland
ceder may 'dimmest sod that they were
matidllsadateated war tho sods
appeals. of ski
date. am Mans al eathelMinist always
1aT".114 with thg Mahal .lamb, embams of
whisoi Is tenni mann SII. a gam mad
the ot Mask ooly t• MAR ite, me
an mad a Hama nags,wadi OMR believe
that be wm, dace teat so km as the preaftat amok
was itse solabibbed -March I. Ireland; bat la may* thia. he
mem he stesld bra for he ma not is
Aiwa of tatprotestaat thum mat b introducing,
seinthert la its room, ha beds op l.
eilablleadamtvishes may damaination. He -bed ored
pay their piston as they mid their
=s, ant that it vas at* hopeless to mood
=ea Zaallix is Irelaad
rithilebellea:edestadt
that of the gdovesiii:la ireliad werile traceable to the
Irish lanlai ; sad that if thplioisteussarned their ditty
as the lanai& of theirs, it would be
far easier to govemittatey than it was at rant.
(Hem.) He was of opt*a that all the argamealm mei is
the maw of this debate vim is the side oldie
he hind that the wadmily of the vote. would bemthleirnitei-
Waal mtilet
_mad -that therefore aaddlthaal Ismail
would be mid eta his @emery.
Mr. 172LAWNIT thoosh* it weld be vaphileseplimal
sal =who ad to memos mai anti mime so the past,
la ..der to litmette Unpins of behead. He beliersal that
away of Use evils of them
s.
—(a wait trainable to sea-
ticia aad Mgenitivemee—(a laaigh)—ead be blamed
the Irish far analog down to tie hew night after
eight, aid the pails Masan of the oomatry, sad
thwarting the inseam of the innerament.

liCs'irov-Tntanoat for the ram-
mer to midi they kid some forward last per sad wain at
this early wad of** sates, eablzresood thiir deter-
"Maeda' Is supper ninnies is Lea year he was
forams el iebseagamserreed of the meaty of Cal, sad that
grastierry ihnatandttee to WSW,
ma slims to the aloha Stlt el the goveraasst,
ameba the deep elan whisk Ora existed is
way pert of VMS hope meaty. litheassatly it
beam hi (Lord Bersests) duty, breast of
the (pea joy, repteast to Sir Chula Naylor
the ateerrat of mailiap lemon aka. the coast to sappers
the ris whiskashled alma the gest:owl. The
map* Mahal an did time, d
LmAiliallaiervisi pure,
_sad. if gist am waspaverved. es ,
attired masr,- treald be do rush. sad the gateameet
weald be omitted to the respect of every loyal ma it ko-
las/I. (Hoer.)
Mr. B. B. ROCHE wee myriad at the studied Wows of
She right he.. 'satiates as al Mean bamboo dogleg this
Mode. He believed the& the eastelesina wee abase le be
emposied la Inked. a Oaf to want. the *ellen ter
the roped of the soles,,bosers ales the yam* sasseere
was Peial *l7 own est lave la Irelssal whet the free
Vadat cad dasseial Mess hid is Maashater, public
stestizatz.Mtloale elies4sibetlewaired to kaorirwha4?
ass). al Ike ler- sastabst he Britt),
did setizcthis sessare ? He hod oupportad free-trade,
list if i would make him regret the ott he gave
ath=l.llll/2 would be the Nada* el the fts-bede aad
alarm amebas cow, when the libation of In-
laid Mae finis& far those has. iamb= were sew pat-
ting at **boa sad twain their bodge ea their Irish
Maids tad seEportnes: (Hear.)

Sir W. INNIkIiVILLI mid that the boa treerlar kr
Dehliajegka pertirehr Wren apes sa ezprewha et the
Lord Liseirrafaa. argued that it was kis seseihnefis
tics to use the pewees vested la him kr the pupae apt*
tin dew lothe ealletisa ter a repeal of the maim. He
(Sir W. rewerilks) haled that they were so asediresterea-
eese
diced how say sees weld suppose that a Lewd
weld ia the peewit day prams to we these prom tw
wok a perms. No; hie easolisaaes expression alladed
old=
seelleilomemae trossowshisimposas, sad .aerial ea is
wanes. MO wits et this a
night weld
to =Win sant, a vete ofwaddseas ia her liejesty*s
=4rAlai the Lod Ideakweas et Ireles. Her
JletwMillint *Oleic sa the reposeestatisa of
the lied zwaresasaa,thet it wools be amok is illeisatinue
these poem sie pwasat. as &WA 11 sew sa Watt to In-
lead, anal seeteaded it as ea asitelosowsis/. sad that smi-
thies eliwt of that esiddiesillp die isleeduelles et N. swa-
✓m
the Int pins et returnee sew. *wry ass
who Weed the libwtiw of his washy met Ml pia I. oat-
hs/se answers se thh slate tweraery chetah It he,
hat bar dm se be ad that is was abedately raismaffy
the peso siead. lie did sot thelak hue a tell &met
the maaill amnia to hate iesedeedis.
Ltaa TON felt kiwi* sailer the pistol
ane=gtotargi titairdie taltet see empoebeest
sot sklest to seal; Vests. t the Igarldii dse
narksal,,
whose Mears had boat iwiewsek awl to wits*.
wee deeply Wished he Ilia hessian sakeaten whir=
be had aerial IS the goweenamet et Inked sada met
tidied* aid hying theawalasem. a. *Mil to a was at
wiefehase bt bar Ifejulph liseates be emseldetal
this *iv bed mei* emildhated to tkst elate et &imp
whisk they min arra wideoeseeler to imam by moths
mutant Heleshed toss el
poessot reaware sa Mat
bidieweest make el it rill's is=sl/9
led • sant stake Mt peetilaste an the set
he British etwilliallos; a
whin ke thsrekee Ilse
tthere should hews heaa &dad.M Sc, & wed
esserste wisest et the oases whisk lei led to the
as sally et then Olathe soesseres. la Jae*, to the
people el Ireland they bad aelyi to pae this mill
thy bed belled who it was Mat teeikt sad led thew
hasthe pahlie error. yet Sky bora pilty—whe it wet
rise by whew melba sod swileme they lied hem lastnested
;billet into that spies et eglistisa wire h lord Oisessei-f
he
ebee;edeerFsisaelnue
ANNTWibis wee the law tins
elarYse=aid he called ea to eh. • vote for • seesaws
which wee sb liable le oboes. (Hear, kw.)
A. Mr. J. O'CONNILL smii be woe' 51 ever J. 4 Net the
noble bid and his Minds ware Rash email le Ike mho
the that hat beta ossaisie
toss as it lot
bees the mesas ot egaidos of pane ma plass.
It was said the *Won Giant agsb this till
We. hoisted is Weemehle, drift lasamoblo
objests, aril oseinsial it a tossonabb samor.
No suit is ndiplisa esuid mak apply to

Eimer INiissiisigt do% WWII
SOW whim the alstalse ad the rot: pa
asd ns
alinragi
boa with. ats
woolizta
USN &strutter:: tie of thO taw
bawd ia July. =Ltd, t
was welbsed labia
sod 1211101' accuulassialo==r4
up,
lir' (la Minh hot) As a tarellai le =
as edam te the bocci paw& La eateeitiral
Wog la Slily Wt. tw ligasiAasselallea had sondatad The
peeple againstbisg led swea widens of swap.
maid iIIMMISMII4 sad soil abed woe salted ala
Irbil Low* H. 'Strada aft to
tbsar togalads• as sewalludeaal raw by treelaf
tfi hiliabia as ewe bad be
male wt fir Me
Wales wiles when it was areated.
*slam& maseabere with ~as a wermallyiblesedr
of tide At stoma a eantplete lethally-311g
salemod, sad s W antal— esiesi OM the energwe
land i and it tide uselawitoloael semeare WITID no pawed,
It lewd& bast a swot nab sad saieserved blow on the
libiedis lithe paella The bill WOW well be palpated far
a few mendha—at host wee tb wwwelty for it bei wires ;
sad Asa, ar deed*, partiamat would paw it in a sloes
day. Maladies, they bad the powers et the ordinary law,
sad a Lord lioatosaat whoa government was jestliypraised.
Waimea wee mist alleetive an the billt pa*.
dial menterao lbw Wahl be monad nerd may; M. on
all ..-.entry it would be west unwise saw to peer Ws *-
Realm waware. _ _

Mr. HOMiliid the last speaker had charged the free
trade members with cowardice, and everything disgraceful
but his ewe speech proved that he wee wire ly satisfied
with the right hen. Secretary for Ireland, provided the Re-
peal Assosiation ow allowed to go on. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. O'CONNELL—No, no.
Mr. HUM contended that the hon. member's speech
went that isnot*. He was content, provided his own egita•
tioa ins allowed to an, thee the -liberties of his ossuary
should be as secortlie hie view of this measure.
(Cheers ) •Mt. Hume) that the Lord Lingo-
sant ked smiseed his power@ with great discretion ; but,
as prase aced quiet now existed, m the government it-
self he should support this measure, is
the fall confidesee that ministers would now
popsies sense comprehensive remedial measure. It wee
duals said that this weld never be done while disturbance
existed; hat in the present absence of anything like agita-
tion, he called on the hon. member for Limerick, and others
who thought with him, to being forward each measures as
they deemed neessesary for the welfare of Ireland. He (11tr.
Hume) wee quite prepared to state what he thought news.
sary. He was anxious to give to Ireland the sense rights,
the same laws, the same rowdies to proms and property,
as were enjoyed in this country. Hear.)isiTleisovernment
seemed te him to shrink frees what was
issemeary. Daft, sive them of this
are= easeiths, and they wireuiaa by all ezeinsion
they had
ever statedYthat house, they were he the country,
to do eematling to avert that la ter& which all
mast meet if they went on in this frightful =neer, sus-
pending the constitution, depriving Ireland of her
liberties, and yet doing noddy to restore her
to the state in whisk she eight to be. (Cheers.)
He begged, therein', to tell his hon. friend that the ins
trade pasty were m much alive to the liberty of the subject
ae ha or gay other member of that haw sod as far m he wee
aware mot sae of that party bad ',break 'from expressing his
*plains or giving his vote. For his own part, he would sup
pert the meeenre, under the impression and with the one ,
dent belied that ns nenisten could now do otherwise than
bring before Bement measures of a comprehensive kind '
for the bemegt of Ireland. (Hear, hear.)
IL. fiCHLLY.—Suppose they do not bring forward any
sash maws s ?
Mr. HIIIIIH—Then let them leave their situations. Time
ought to be given to the ministers to propose their measure,
and it wee on that ground alone that be would support such
an unconstitutional measure. (Hear.)
Mr. J. O'CONNELL explained. He said that he was
satisfied as long as constitutional discussion was allowed, but
be still declared the bill to be en outrage, and that he should
oppose it in every way.
ILr. H. GRATTAN did not think the hem. member for
Manures had dewed his shareeter by the reason he pre for
eazZina gelosseeetsPetieasa a mama Me williegly act
the piths bestowed ea Len Chards., hat still
L would not sateen.% an exemitive merstrate the uncon-
stitutional powers i in the present-IQ.

Mr. DISRAELI mid, Mr. Speaker, I had intended to
.give • silent vote apes this NUM" bat attar the spook
width we have heard trees the right boa. madams
the Chief Searetay le Inland, the motives Mid
ban kind me to support her Majesty's go-
semensamisma
so= this bill might be subset to
mien if I did sot state what those motives
are. TM sawn whisk has bon urged by the government
ea behalf of tier aat is the adman of the one. Us dr-
eamenses meg hate =aid dose we first viewed it. There
1 them may ban themeless alarraim features in the
state eU Inlay ems ae kegs perceptible. Bat still
that sentry is met be se teems • condition as to lead as to
believe that *see deradm symptoms have alt. ether
eaMbed. I. 111_
__would eat be willing Is take
egell Weal Wm ility of refadag to assent to a NW
arab" the mism. But when hs Majesty's tableSses
One 4~4 aad ask for oar support, ass es
enema of the *Agony of the ate—sot is moan
of Me dunk, aspen of Inland—bat elogity en
the sewed he the nalidence of this bean is mooned
Ay the genement. I, sir, amen essuat to give
my eels fee die inenre without bit efferiag sent sea-
man I have observed on awn session then en that
her Majesty's =Julien have dams( the support of this
hone on the mud of esalems be tharedne. (A laugh.)
They line obtaimithewArt is asesel modem with-
out belig too mien is late the canes Midi pro-
cured it then. (A should have gess eat of ray
way cm the went eseadaa to ewes aye's= of 'nations
msa,
in the goverseseM list whoa the milk Teri skint that gon-
ad ens, I meat be Mewed, peeled mein We right to do
so. Certainly ate the Irish pain of the aside lord and
his eollesigues, I met aeastently exprtss lay °deka that
the whig policy dudes the period of my public life
will not afford -any blszonaists to the Mae of irk/r-
-em (A laugh.) I has eat Midis the =anew
time of the year 1836, whoa a whip ministry sub-
verted the esaatitatien of the many. I have not
forgotten their editheatell appeepelden dame. (Hear,
hear.) I have set ingeelin die -man by whisk the party
the& ia power seeded le pies; aer have ormate& the
mem by whisk they mai la -power at • date whoa
PM Mime Neely a pedp la the ematryhtiao FiWaliisia.
kiwis sat famed Rehmnotm el =ea. aem
pest; sae Mee I to
the ether the Mean-
damn whisk Maeda their let asesuisa to power. I may
be NUJ as mere, that I jellied is the vete with hoa.
manes is this dile whisk tend oat the right hoe. beco-
me the member foe Tamara. I did so. -Bat I ems=
maid my vote with the husk elseleraska that I and boa.
noshes with wham I Wed leaked at the mi=stry of
the right hoe. barn= n a walks government,
sad we sled the flat opportunity that presided
Medi te had Ida mad kis 'Weems Eros Moir
gins= But was that the nada= of the noble lord and hie
Whams ? Oa the eastrary, they voted I. every divides
is Most of thepolity ; sad whoa they tared out the right
hon. basset, they did ft wqrsedy au the meads el that
policy whisk they sew an obliged thaaweies to pane.
Wolf thee, de, I mist Milan that I de in sapped this
mann ea the mem& of nasal cadideme la
policy. Bat this I an told kat the bill is to he
on the ponad of sadism* la the Lord of Ire:
lad. I hive heard the Amoy of ',Mad speirseref be this
hone la terms of respeet tad admiration. Om Ms. am.
bar went so far as to mane Lord Clereadoa's adieus to
gievidnes. Bat I nand forget that very money these
ems ponces who are sow load la the peals of
Ibe Lord Lieutenant voted la favour of a main
tar doing away wish hie els; tad I molest dm
the led=aisats that were forth ea the bombs op-
loan
% ihat medea. ifed,lihas. we Tel lc draw
I Lill tb• else Ma, itiertasseesur irk an me et oak
as this house vet Imght to Wien. Bat
ea *AV= pally of the premien is enessed, I
Mall hesitate liewc _WM I ease to the losild thee the mar-
nees et the Leal liiinamm—iesl of Okelain them he
=ere • slims semeitefer the god getsemmit of
I des T Mee asmilideme fa wakes
wt. runewllis expend their leydty sad eared
kali pledges le thefts, good meseament of Inked. I
sees then In= makes who, wined caries km an
istosinal idiom I believe I easy alt the peisiad
Vof that wintry. (Hear td feud lasagliter4
ofIM than gentlemen have fanned as Maig
exposin of their pander dem, modht
* em They seen to Mee estabilded • alidlegsmie of
etdidome aud • tall, of wilatitle•- Tim doper te have
has hem el appalls, Shish resolve komalls kg. ma
Vexed= sad the dela. The voinlism appedlisa
el
big, 1 gemeas, tint Wads Mil
m=
Seat this beam _ _ ) The
e
den Wag that alb, kna =WA mdse. its adhees=ou no
t
aiiwilliag aukepsediesdreanelane te Mean ilimehilli
tio the assist id** weeny. (Cheat benliewri) But
woke theme eiremmtween hew esChipelleg wee the =
the right be= madam s the d Netrimory Is
lla soma farmed te appease the raging mien wait Mayne
stem H. Nile then ham insaibses;_this MI is set landed
le applyayea. Yea will met be dints' by it. Theis a
dillwans loseireimmilatisa sad Inseen. lio do anise a=
mg, gesWeer.) ille, I Milne then is • diformee
Mamma and lessee as there is balms' adaileey
sad rape. .) " This is a bill," says the tight be.
!.Sesetary, anent arid lessen assil on is • treater
able atieuer; psi set aging Omen not amid ea is •
treesinaMe nowase (Menu) Aad is, dr, is the
g
ia edilek ei e m elba bsea eat to-at rit: kid numbs ei the Ids govenumat is skis
bone. (Ohms.) Aad to pat
_nest memsdedy by
me : a measure has beet brought Mind, whisk is be
ay opieloa nod win ad gelid& It hes hen kink be
L td= who, r say odds= mmenicsed the evil Milk it is
to needy. AM se seas km this expiated= of
the pane sad oldie amain of the mann bees lewd
to the hem by the mile lard, the Int Muir
Ise of the army thsa up rises mother mates
of the gennaseg, wed says those nabs when
M wee levelled ate aot te he laded by it. It is weivasolly

r▪ etiiive meivanisa _ - arilliv.sessit
la Mei it-awains *Ant the government will aot
=kr egli timid. (Choirs.) There is another
Wei iS hate bees beer formed
ll=lvillef ths
Prardise. &anal
°limey dished aim sled dm nest dimly/died members
of this hew is Ilallmatles wet )
meneana for
that ~by inn se tinier lei
le voting tar *kW we diet voting fix
the p the triagoillity
of behind I nod ttlaetlag, as I de, to the elitosy of the num-
eares I bine reamed to, I may be allowed to express a bops
that I Int *sword to tee rastoratioa of poses end iron-
&Mk at bibrad, not ule bola may safestetiona which
el Us tw
it mh
gemennerat pig mita in my
tidal ea isment of Me maidens@ whit I feel in that
=Lof Me tioa of Ireland to whom I dare, in
e, sUnds, save in a whisper. I omit, how-
ever, lip, that the dam has at length arrived whoa the rati-
fies el those to whom I refer will no longer be deemed •
rifieelly Nor their loyalty a 0751k0. (Great skiers.)

Lad 1. 111111112 LI: roes and said-Bb, the house appears
to bare se far made up its mind as to the policy of this ass
sure that I should net hare thought it to address
you oa the pelmet question, were it sot for the p.tehen-
eke eatertained by the whim lord, the caber for Tyrone,
and the laws. gentlemea who has just at down, respecting
my pest madam and that of the kw. meats s, the friends
with wham I eat. The ban. member who has just oat down
appears—embisively is my apprehmasion—to suppose that
certain parties are to peas untouched by this measure and
are to be free to conduct agitation in Ireland se-
cure from any hindrance, under the provisions of this bill.
Such was not the declaration of my right hon. friend. The
hon. member for the county of Cork (ldr. G. B. Rocha) said
that this bill was aimed at all oonstitational discussion—that

petilbas ant be beeriest forward—that grievances
esubl not begeoid esmesined of it this bill were to peas—and
that the devisee imeation of it was to destroy all censtita.
tinsel and pelktsal discussion in Ireland. My right hon.
friend, in answer to that statement, said that sash was not
the object, and that such would not be the effect of the hill—
(theen)—that it was aimed at agitation connected with trea-
sonable paellas; and that discussion aimed at the redress
of grievaneee —with a view to obtain from parliament men.
auras brusidelal to Ireland—this could not be prohibited
under the terms of the bill. (Calms.) The hon. mem-
ber for Limerick, adroitly enough certainly, said he under-
stood that the association with which be was connected
eould not some under the operation of the bill, and there-
fore that half the obketions were removed.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL.—The agitation.
Lord J. BIISSELL.—Ihe agitation with which he
was connected. Well, sir, on this subject I most say
very plainly that the bill itself contemplates treucnable
designs and treasonable practices; but the power to im-
prison persons suspected of inch tr: 'suable practices is
to be placed in the hand of the Lord Lieutenant. I have
had much conversation with the Lord Lieutenant during the
existence of the present bill as to agitation, and I know his
mind is that any agitation ought to be carefully watched.
—(hear)—that agitation which tends merely to the fair pro-
duction of petitions is an agitation which he ought not, and
has not the power to prevent—(bear, hear)—but that the
meetings of an association which is likely to sell very rapidly
into a club and a oonapiracy—(thears)—which teLds imme-
diate) to lead to treasonable practices, ought, in his opinion,
I and will add, in my opinion also, to be carefully watched;
carriedif those Scramble practices should, In his opinion, be
on, it will be his bounden duty to secure the asses
of the country by the application of the power width this
act will enable him to exercise. (General cheers.)
Mr. J. O'CONNELL (who roes amidst cries or " Order "
from all parts of the house) said—Does the noble lord ka-
put* to me treasonable practices ? (Laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL continued : Well, if the hon. gentle-
man asks me that question, I will answer him. (Cheers.)
My opinion is that the hoe. gentleman would wish to carry
on what he may think a wholesome, but what I might think,
• pesticioas, egitatioa, without any of committing
treason, or of leading to treasonable practices;but seeing what I saw with regard to the go•
eociation of which he was the leader last year,
and in which, although he wag the leader, he was left
in a very small minority;(ebeers, and laughter), the great
body of those associated with him dully flog that moral force
was altogether a deledien—(" No, no," from Kr. J. O'Con.
nell)—and that they esewened with some confederation over
the way, of which Ogden force and rebellion were the doe-
, Ski, and were insetted to be the preatice—l say, seeing,
sad knowing, and remenabering thk, I should have no OWL-
Maio ice the misty Keay 'glaciation which the hon. gen-
tlemen wore to en up is D.thlin. (Loud cheers.) I there-
at% dr, "milt his ponenally. I acquit him fully and
tiseseely of any Ineenable design or practice ; but I am not
to say the) lbws whom he would assemble would
Ewripjally annalist a legosendele designs; and Ido believe
that any association of whisk he was the head would be very
likely to become liable to the penalties of treason. (Cheers
gad Laughter.) Now, air, lat least have answered the hon.
gentleman's guidon fairly; he may take what course he
Mae with region to this bill ; be may make, if he pleases,
the ether Yellen& speech which he omitted to make—
()—or be may take any other coarse he may think
• bat I will not deny to him or conceal from him
what I think may be the effect of this bill if it page into a
law. (Chaim) Now, sir, the hon. gentleman who spoke
lan, following the noble lord the member for the county
Tyrone (Lad Claude Hamilton) has referred to some
charge whisk the hoc. gentleman glided over rapidly and
skilfully, bat which the noble lord dwelt on in great detail,
and with remarkable inacturacy. (Laughter.) Sir, it was
the sharp of the noble lord that Ia 1816 I had brought for-
ward a resolution with respect to the appropriation clause
solely sad entirely with the view of displacing from power
the right hon. baronet the member for Tamworth, and that
having carried that resolution, and having displaced the
right ion. gentleman, I allowed the question to slumber,
and never mentioned itegain. Now, this oblirs me to refer
to what was rally the history of that wiropnation clause—
(hear )—a histmy, perhaps, which certainly does not
show ire
uccessful Leas upon my part; bet a history which
does not at all resemble that which the noble lord chase to
sin the plies of the real one. Being in office with Lord
having the honour to be one of the cabinet, and con-
with him in the bill of DIA which was called the
coercion set, and was a immure of very severe repression, I
did think in the *Lew* year that it was right that ga
visanuat should Fern itself for some measure by which a
part of the measles of the Dirk pretemaat chweltdisse:
seeded I. winiia far the web= of that oburek,
be mods usehal and andusive to the *Wadies of all themes.
hers of the 1141111111sariy,Roataa catholic. and prosbytesionos
well as membies fifths church of Ragland, I urged Wet Mir
nioastheallinst. AtleagththedLwgdonupon the 'Alegi
ended la the relhament from the cabinet of four of its awe
distiardebed members. The cabinet, after that retirement,
prosesed easerdiog to the amiss which I thought We
whew A eemmeissiea was appointed to ascertain the stow
bees beimmise to the different rebus mmununioss
Irsisad. and wises measuresp werkie dfseamed with a view W
r= fate east the peisei wiskil thawed be
upon. It pianist his lisgsaf. I faffryhrmoughta :a Val
after Lord Grey had resigned, sad Lied
sass,his plow, upon the dealt gay ismeMinikised Lord
to dealers that he had no Author eamisa kr the
sinks. of Laid Xelbenne and his collseguft and be plead
Illetelght hew parses at the heed of dm goesaimest. I
hod mei that view of mine with realest ee We Lash pro-
ammo :is lass esileaguse whom I sinearely regarded—
Area I se mob, that far a very owillsralde time
I hold eap okras, with which they were psalmody so.
erminleil,ttad would not pros them for fear of that Shit
P•
don of We abbot which actually took place. But Yvan
tirwe view4ur I obliged, because the right heiciwasa
Vii, to forego them. to sink my ate.
say that I was satisfied wi that with
I vat so dimatisited that I had urged ea my
soileaguas is Lord Overs rabbet to come to a diction
mere the abject? (Hear, hew) Sir, I therefor: =
es as Inward iadepsidesit member the
Vida is astaiwel la the volumes of parliamentary Woo.
not roseinlies woe aided in a parli whisk We
*Wham gewtionaiw theuo at theve badamentmAridt of the in
govenwist
at any Wm, I WSe, a p •
WWI aside.et vethiag frees office itheand. Whoa- right bwi.
menismaa raked tees elm, a MOMS woe proposal or
owdling tise views of the dwagovernsorft nwasonbwillal
M Weir= ewe, twist sweatily, if not theme sr fear Sam
It we iMed by a email maiwrity in thislinws, but ens hat
In the ether house. So mine is it that I that invested Wet
seism on** with the view of digital. tit* Shen.
bast; simony far from the truth it it Kat ha mace
=4ml asajterladlanWribagerin.allsg•!“.l6. B sej ger
the mon= heimseneal umee re men;
of Lords, cab mar to be arcked at that wldht
Basil& spiel= wee wet hs favour of the masers Irish psi-
aka was skipthm Willman' with mid to it--that WO
whkit we eisoe de eked bad mesa le be ea object Oink
in that wonky. (" No, ne," ifieear or Iwo Irbil me
raan That was my _ ost, at kart, and in that
I euteialy
w proemial to propose the esttio
the
mast of the he ade% "Whom Whom gaga
twit m
-IfoW, I ay bo 111 Mo? atlas AR
esrlrbillaarse pima ales--I orsteltly MOM* sable
opinion with mord to it—l Bay have been aleageffirt fa
error on the evilest • but I must say, that I was simmielp
that enit'a would be of great villitplo
Cland, Ind I midestanned Is eery it as keg as I
there was any poiddlity ct eserythe it, with the ylitrlig:
it should be bisedelel to IrelaM -.Alias, ear.Eati,
Were ware etkor mannamannaat the same Mime- than mosWr.

mess.. for establishing arrporations in
ad& them on a popular bails, as had been
dose Ii gienf. That swear* was, in the list Instance,
asjectes4l4lha Seem of Lords, but aitlaidely the principle
was tamed the 11111011111 passed into a law. (Hear,
hear.) Bet the alibis lard says that at that time I con-
sented Unto Zee sad patronage end be in the hands
of Kr. 0' aid that we merely acted in a pan. in a
maser, ea to him. Now, sir, I totally dap that
'barge. (Cheers.) Lord Melbourne advised his sovereign
to place In the government of Ireland Lord Noisnanby.
The adds lord calla on me to empress my remoras ter the
widest et the govermassat dada, that period. 8o
Mar from it. my belief is that the conduct of
Lord Nermanby was conciliatory and was wise. (Chien.)
That it mowed traaqvillity to Ireland,that It was adapted to
the trunk of that period, that be retained the authority in
his ova hands, end that powerful as Mr. O'Connell was In
Ireland, great es his influence over Folio opinion was, still,
the Maidty of Lard Normsaby as the rapreesstative of the
Zig Was, as it ought to be, paramount in that counts,.

(Oboe's) Ilemerralesidmea se resseree toewer lialth m-
orsel to the geoseestent tf 1•11. (Cheers.) lir, the sate
had end Mats& gestimma epees of oar to the
bill of 16dt. Thelas._ goalless* is quite in
that he mgoes4 thee mega the bill TY:i:o-
Males duos Weed W" an eseennit of the dame ailed
" Misr Meslw," and beesese ha had aa eseffirsee in
:are resament, He asi these !Ile Wei with him do
Wes esoaads; bat I dallied no sueh grounds. I
did sot say that I had no somildesee la the
boars I tt that the gewestimest wrearefsra4 the
powers eesils by the bill blety sad wies/vpalimist
I thought diet it ins • bill litet to the
Sane, of the times. I thought that the slams with
respect to shuttles up passer ad night who had etenntitted
no offense wee Emit vexatious, and I Weed is dm=
el Mr. O'Conadl that while the sugeseies of the
corpus ewes led does not irritate, that thesettnne el that sit
was to kebabs eat set to care. (Chases) Thoreftes• es-
tertaiaing that opinion of the bill, I voted against the Might
hon. gendenan end the measure introduced by the noble
lord the that Bearstary for Ireland. Well, sir, it is a very
pepsin topie to say, that I corned out the former govern-
ment egos the question of coercion and that I now propose
it wail. It is quite true, and I must remain liable to that
regeseek. All I can my is, thet I thought that bill was not
=the circumstance' of the time, that its influence tos
bees prejudicial and net beneficial, and that the
lesion egesenree which we have brought forward from time
to time restriethee of the liberty of the subject—more severely
dve than that bill was—have been adapted to the ea-
samstesces of Ireland, and are I think, likely to prove more
beselleial than that bill would have done. (Cheers) This
again, is entirely a matter of opinion. Thom who differ
from me may hold the reverse, and may think that the bill
of 1846 was more useful than ones ; but all that can be
asked of me Is, to folew my own opinion with re-
gard to measure" whellier in or out of office, and
to support or to oppose them according as I think
them to be suited to the circumstances of the coun-
try or not. I am sorry to have detained the house
so long in defence of my awn conduct—(cheers)—but the
sable lord, the member for Tyrone, thought it necessary to
come down and speak for half an hour upon these historical
questions, making • most personal and bitter attack en myself.
(Cheers.) I thought, therefor*, that I could not well avoid
the topic. (Hear.) Sir, the hon. gentleman, in speaking on
this measure sad giving it his support, followirg other hon.
members, and especially the hon, member for Montrose,
spoke of the comprehensive measures which it was the duty
of the government to bring forward. Sir, it will be our
duty to bring forward a series of measures—some of them
have already been given notice of, and others will be pro-
posed. Bat, sir, Ido not think that I should be acting
fairly to the house if I did not say that any measures that we
being forward, would be totally inoperative without those
two qualities of which I spoke, in the speech I addressed to
the home in bringing forward measures in 184 G,
namely, the spirit of self-reliance, and the spirit
of co-operation. (Cheers.) We proposed this very
night, for instance, if these debates had not lasted
'cam;' very greatly to extend the right of voting in Ireland.
(Hear' hear.) I believe that the right of voting is too much
restricted, and that it ought to be extended. Bet, sir, I
must allow that the same use is not made of those constitu-
dead privileges in Ireland which bas been nude of them in
England. The ants which pawed through y arliament at the
time of the revolution in 1688, were sufficient fur a century
afterwards to enable the people of this country to exalt
themselves in trade, in manufactures, and In agriculture, to
oover this country with fertile fields and with rising and
flourishing towns. (Cheers.) It was nothing bat the spirit
of liberty which they had obtained by rte constitution and
the revolution of 1688 which enabled them to make those
efforts. Observe that 'those lawn, by virtue of which they
did those things, were not laws directing or cresting industry
and wealth, end commerce, and comfort, and well-being.
They were laws which allowed men to exert their facul-
ties, and to obtain wealth and (deduction, which
are the consequences of exertion. (Cheers.) In proposing
such measures for Ireland we stall do the utmost which, in
our opinion, it is proper (or us as legislators to do. With re- '
sprat to the se vial questions of Ireland measures have already
passed. Others will also be brought forward ; but with
respect to those measures I must observe that there is fully
as much danger in sending the temper and industry of the
country in the wrong direction as in leaving undone that
which ought to be done. (Hear, bear.) I trust that par-
liament will consider with toe utmost deliberation all quo-
lions of that kind. My belief is, that the ultimate result of
the privileges which have been granted to persons of all sects
and persuaders, new 20 years ago—that the result of those
additional privileges which have from time to tame been
granted will enable the people of Ireland to take
that place which they oggbt to hold from their
gamins, and from that which I admit they have—where
there is a lair seeps for its exercise—great pow, r of
physical exertion and industry. (Cheers.) But if we ex-
pect that that change is to take place immed a sly, and is
to be the sudden effect of • legislative act, I th.nk that
we should be sure to be disappointed in our e xpetations
(Hear, hear.) Sir, Ido not say, therefore, even with the
interval that may be seised by this act of Aix months,
during which any ens:losable conspiracy snip br euppretsed,
that any measure which may be peeled son work a great re-
volution in the social and political state of Ireland. All I
' 'an say is, that our utmost ezertioe.s shall be given to
that end, and that the various measures which we shall
' bring forward will be adapted in our view to that end. It
will be for parliament to judge whethe r they are so adapted
' or not. If they meet with the approbation of parliament, I
trust they may be succeeded. If, on the contrary, they
' meet with the censure of parliament, of course it will be for
others to propose other measures, which I hope may boners
successful. (General cheering.)
Lord CLAUDE HAMILTON brit fly explained, as-
oaring the noble lord that in anything he had said he
had not intended to make a personal or bitter attack.

Sir R. PBEL—Sir, it is my intention to supptrt the pro-
podtion of her Majesty's government, and to give my vote
for the second reading of this bill. I give it with the rein.-
Mace with which every friend to constitutional liberty must
give a vote for the restraint of that liberty ; but my firm be-
lief is that there is public danger in now waiting the act
to expire ; that if you, at the present time, permit it to ex-
pire, you must look forward, to a renewal of those at-
tempts by which the public tranquillity was disturbed
in Ireland. Not that I think obligation is due
to those who organised the attempt for the disturbance
of public nenquillity. They have contrived to cover Irish
treason with ridinle •' they have done more to discourage
attempts at rebellion than all the laws that we could peas
(hear, hear)—or all the advice of the most skilful and saga-'
doss could suggest ; but notwithstanding the ridicule they
attempt to throw on Irish disaffection and Irish repeal, still
there does prevail among them an animus which is not yet
repressed, and believing this, I will consent to continue for a
time this measure, which shall keep them in good humour.
(" Hear," and laughter.) I shall not give my vote for this
meagerfrom any particular confidence in those by whom it is
to be administered—that is to say, I would not consent from
pomadesee in any set of men to restrict the constitution.
I have great raped personally, for Lord Clarendon ; but my
respect for Lord Clarendon does not weigh In the slightest
degree with my resolution to support the proposition of tte
government; and unless I was perfectly satisfied that this
measure was called for by a pressing emergency, no respect
for Lord Clarendon, no belief that the power would not be
abuse!, would induce me to give a vote for it. Bir, there is
evil in a precedent—there is great evil in a precedent
imposing restrictions of this kind, no matter what
may be the personal character of those to whom
the power is entrusted. However forbad.* those
in power say be, you cannot set a precedent in these
times for suspending the habeas corpus without doing •
great public evil. 1 firmly believe that no government
wishes to um these powers ; they never esk for them unless
they believe them necessary, It is no pleasant thing to ask
for these pow•ra laced Heytesbury, and Lord De Grey,
would no more have abused them than Lord Clarendon. I
grant them benne I believe them to be necessary, and on
that grouad, and that ground alone would I confide
them. Nothing can be more painful to me then to
refer to the history of past conflicts. There are
ample grounds for the dispassionate consideration
of what is necessary for the amelioration of the counties of
the unfortunate sonntry of Ireland, without inkiest it the
ground en while we are to determine our party Mimeses.;
but when the noble lord says, I will give • history of 1846,
it is very difficult for any cue to listen to him and to runs
absolutely silent, without entirely acquiescing in the truth
of that h lithe noble iced had said, " I am abe it to
pronconnos a fusers' oration on the appropriation clause," I
would have used a certain latitude as to any pane-
gyric en the decease of that departed ancient
hind—(a laugh) --and if the noble lord had ap-
peared in the character merely of procouneing a
funeral oration on that which would never be
revived, I should have said nothing ; but the noble lord
said " I app ar in the more solemn character of historian,
and I shall put on record a history of the approprla'ion
clause." My memory differs in some important particulars
from that of the noble lord. The noble lord says that in
1836 I rommeded Lord Melbourne in the administration of
the chief office of the government, and that! broughtforward
a measure on the subtotal of Irish tithes • and the noble lord
says, that in my individual capacity I abstained from pets
on record a personal a inch in declaring that I
thought the appropriation clause ought to be carried.
I think the motion was brought forward with a
little more of peaty fading. I do not think it was a mere
Individual motion on the part of the noble lord, but I think
the noble lord, if I recollect right, determined to obstruct
the proposal in respect to tithe, unless the appropriation
clause formed part of it ; and I think the noble 'old was
not content with moving an amendment daring the progress
of the bill, but the noble lard called epees the house to affirm,
if I recollect rightly, this preposition put 'beta that
I. 'lllllat of Irish tithe ever could be satisfactory unless
• polottllke reec of the Irish churn was appropriated
to edeentim. I rememetrated against it. I said, "pass this
bill, thee** whhis you approve, take the opportunity of
moving ea an to the ►bill in its progress," ben I said
to the noble 104 " Beware of fettering your proceedings by
an abetted resolution, declaring that la no time to come
shall there be en adjustment of Irish tithe, unless there is an
alienation of ecclesiastical property." This was giving
friendly advice to the noble lord—(cheers and laughter)—
but the noble lord was not content with passing the abstract
proposal, but absolutely insisted on the House of Commons
waiting on King Wini&X and informing Leg Willies,
that no adjustment of Irish tithes could take place
wales there was an alienation of church property.
The noble lord says that it did net partake of the character
of a party movement. (Hear, hear, and laught.r.) This
shows how apt contemporaries are to be at vainest. We
heard at the time that there was a general determination on
the part of the noble lord and his party and the Irish mem-
bers generally that this attempt to settle the Irish tithe
without the appropriation clause was en it quity not to be
borne. Some' " It is a very good party motion; de-
pend upon it that is the way to turn out Pee!, particularly
11 you waited oh the king and told the king that his mem-

mama was seteatidei to onliense, Wawa tbe-7".`"1nt.....,
etirk2uttbe lebittighes without salseetheistietheteialW"
r The noble lied says, retea
power. PgLniesensitt cos he give of Ida Irialt allisanC
says he sem Me pewee, end illa found that the jp
Leeds weeepdmit Simi and theMmild. publie was H
aasessal
dimmed lairaels Mee sad his Irish Meads (who higi;::
resew when be bed bon oaf et rase), when he
dies slimed him hes say of tha
tins eigneat
end that be hem )moonpluesPCX
ones en MOIL That is the somas of th bik
Mlearibigee sr dm years bakes we keg
abominstiess the ---".1.1.•
Church ; they 41= woutheld set be pease of
cal
Church riated in the position in which it was;
doted that the gevesaessat in 1834 could not be
add, when attempting to remedy the evils of gins
teeywitheat uessend n* eg to an alienation of Chu
Witedapietais be drowsed his Irish silks, when lisr."4".iiis
tie Swoon the severnaseut was changed there was sea,
untee meths Noblest. (Cheer and laughter.)
Lei J. RUSSELL—It was three years afterwards.
Sir R. PEEL—It took him three year to cool. (Chasm'
(Laughter.) I appeal to any man whether it woisag et"
been decent to make such a change se they mad. ek'ss
earlier period ? (A laugh.) So according to the inpruog
bietery of the noble lord under the whig goveimumn.
get their fair share of official patronage, and having IA
*bout two or three years afterward., their hostility tip ty
established church abated, and they told the noble lord they
could give him no cordial sonext whatever, pun ,
attempt to defraud Its menu,. Thus let aka ask
only, when they are pressing him on any
measure, let him ask them to pause—rt
remind them of the Irish Church, tell them to wait gem
years, and see whether in the interval their zeal for ulesti
may not have abated. I agree with the noble lord that I
think it does make In respect to this measure of eureka-4g
comprehensive policy—it does make • great difference 1154
are the persons who occupy that bench. I have not th.
slightest doubt that the noble lord does receive (reel tike
Irish representatives a much more cordial support that
should have received if I had proposed precisely us
same measure. So much for 1835. The mann us
fatal. The abstract resolution against which I waensdtw
noble lord—foreseeing that my doom was settled, I aihriid
him not to encumber himself with any such restraints 1
foresaw that would be. The noble lord took my advise,
There wu resistance on the part of the Reuse of Lords, mg
then the noble lord consented. I earnestly advised bin n
do it. I said, you shall hear no reprouth from me for u
you are doing, and if you can settle the Irish question with.
out the appropriation clause do so. It was quietly settled_
there let it remain. I entertain no ill will of the Nu
lord. I entertain no ill will of anybody for the coons gut
wee taken in 1836. (Cheers.) It is well to inog
want of confidence by attacking acme ammo
of imeortance, and I always thought that an
the course to take u to the corn laws. I felt that ffis
natural consequence would be the alienation or ilia
with which I was connected, and our lose of power. (1,.
hear.) It is now not worth considering, whttoer it ad*
have been done by a distinct declaration of want of eml.
deem, or in some other manner. The noble lord, ffhp. Mg
leave to remind him, is incorrect also as to the mutual*.
We proposed a measure, there In ing a shocking souk
committed in Ireland, for the security of life sal
property. Does the noble lord recollect that /
made an appeal to hem to allow me to pa
this bill in committee ? Does the noble iced as.
collect that I said to him " Do not reject this mere%
intended for the protection of life and the presoaked.
uuination" ? On the veiled reading you objected ts the
curfew either. I said, strike it out m committee, bat ds
not give the agitators a triumph in Ireland by re • ,
the second reading, to listen to a bill which has that
in view. The noble lord says that he thinks a
clause was not calcul ited to meet its end. Wby amine
permitted a fair deliberation ? Says the noble IA
you intended to commit this enormity ; yete la
tended to confine the people to their houses
night It is hard necessity that induces me to p.p.
these things, but I find that the noble lord intsaill
to commit persons to prison by sight and by Lay—(bes,
hear)—those who are the just subjects of suspicion, welt/met
fore I cannot admit the correctness of the i.oble lord's
tory, when ho states that the bill was rejected because it vffi
unsuitable to its end. In my opinion it would have him
more consistent to have permitted the bill to be read a sung
time, and to have objected to the clause In conaddiL
There shall not attach to my support of this bill Os
erudition which the noble lord attached is lb
oppoeition to the bill of 1848. I ask for no such eamilitim
I know the extreme difficulty of proposing these mannestel
a healing nature. On all sides of the house we are
convinced that one great evil of the condition of this
is the condition of Ireland. I shall be ready to census
remedial measures that may be proposed. At the same Ibis,
I know perfectly well that no government can i
thing having an immediate tendency to improvesllireZ
condition of Ireland. It is rather by a slow imi
gradually healing prods we must hoes to new
the difficulty than by any of those great meanie
which everybody calls for but no one will shadow flea
(Hear, hear.) I believe that one of the greatest evils in the
present condition of Ireland is connected with the E denials.
trailer's of the poor law. (Hear, hear.) That measure is
about to be considered in committee, and most gratified dull
I be if it should come forth from that committee so benefi-
cially altered as to work advantageously for Ireland.
(Cheer.) But I support this measure because I believe it
to be called for by regard for the public peace. I believe
that the present government, like every government, man
have a sincere desire for the improvement of Ireland, but I
will not weaken my support of a necessary =Min
of coercion, by Insisting on the condition that been
I suppress turbulence I must hear what is to be
done in the way of remedy. (lieu, hear.) I give my car
dial support to this measure for the vindication of the law
and for upholding the authority of the crown. (Loaf
cheers.)
Lord J. RUSSELL, in explanation, said that with respect
to the motion of 1835, he had not intended to say it was net
a party motion. What he had intended to say was that,
having consented to separate from his own colleagues in the
cabinet on this question, it was not to be expected that ha
should refrain from bringing it forward because the right
hon. eeutlesean was in power, and that, the meanly bug
founded oa principle, it was also his duty to advocate 8
when in aloe.
Mr. MOORE, amid loud and general cries for a divide,
proceeded to read an extract from a former speech of the Int
lord of the treasury, to the effect that measures to suppress
crime in Ireland should not be introduced unaccompanied
by each other measures as might enable the peasantry of
that country to obtain subsistence. He (Mr Moore)*
fused his .meat to the present bill on similar grounds, sad
he entreated the nob!e lord to suspend its progress until he
had had time to introduce such remedial meuures as the
state of the country required.
The house divided—
For the second reading
Against it
Majority —242
The bill was then read a second time, and Mendsy was
fixed for going into commits, on it.
RELIEF OF DISTRESS (IRELAND) BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER said that
he did not propose to proceed that night with the furl,
discussion of the proposed great of 50,0001. for the relief d
Irish distress. Theditsuasioei would come on on Monday.

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