The Express.
London, England, 1849-07-20 00:00:00

rots which was not to carry with it say actual result.
(Hoer, Inv.)

Mr. SPOONER conceived that a great dell of extraneous
matter bad hoes introduced into the discussion, for the
resolutions was con, ned to the facts of their being many
nunecessay expenses, acd this the taxation of the country
bore injariossly on the avenue. If this were not so, let
the government meet it with a direct negative, instead of
recennmenling the amendment of the noble lord, the mem-
ber for Middlesex. if it were improper in the metal:tees
present to pays a cersure on. th, r ahsene, the impropriety
eriuld be as sreat in adopting the amendment. lie should
I support the proposition of the hcn. member for Surrey,
',sardine the amendment as a complete evasion of the ques-
tion. Had be not known the inverialdy upright conduct of
the noble fort who had moved the amendment he should
have said it had been brought forward at the instance
of the government.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER said he should support the resolu-
tion in preference to the amendment.
Mr. HAWES referred to a statement of the mover as to
reductions proposed by the governor of Trinidad, end said
that no objection had been raised to those reductions.
Mr. BANKES complained that no notice had been given
of the smendment. lie had been led to suppose that tne
government would not oppose the original motion ; now it
appeared they would support the amendment, which com-
*Lily evaded tha real question.
Mr. DRUMMOND denied that be had taken advent,ge
of the abeenee of hon. members, when he bad three times
before brought forward substantially the same motion. He
considered that the dis.uesion se to the relative merits of
direct and indirect tazatior, was quite out of place, and •
mere pretest for evading the real question.
The bowie then divided.

Forthe-
Agaiut it 7l-3
The announcement of the numbers was received with
lend cheers. _

The original motion was then agreed to.
GRAND JURIES (IRELAND.)
Sir W. SOMERVILLE, in moving for leave to bring in
a bill to snake better provision for the administration of
fiscal affiiin in counties, counties of cities and counties of
townin Deland, said that he did not prelim at that late
period of the ses,ion to proceed with the bill, but merely to
introduce it, so that it might be printed and its various pro-
visions conai bored during the mina. The object of the bill
was to do away entirely with the present grand jury system
is Ireland. Re propoeed to retabinth by this bll a county
board and also district boards, and for this purpose the bill
provided that the Lord Lieutenant should have the power
of dividing the counties in various iiistricts. He proposed
that the county board should be composed of eight
magistrates, with a chairman and vute•chairman,
making the number ten in all. They were to have
a power of appointing a finance committee. He
proposed that the dike of county treasurer should be no
longer continued. Ho would act then enter more at large
into the bill, as hon. gentlemen would have ample time to
consider its detail, during the those.
Mr. biONSELL beard with great satisfaction the inten-
tion of the tight hon. gentleman with regard to the grand
jury system in Ireland, and he was hippy to find that the
system of texation without repmentatitm was at length to
be got rid of. (Hear.)

Sir W. SOMERVILLE said 64 attention had been called
to the subject to which his hon. friend alluded, but to it was
one on woich arcat difference of opinion prevail d. be
thought it better not to introduce that change in the bill.
But he admitted that the point was worthy of comideratios,
and it should have his best attention.
Leave wu then given to bring in the bill.
PUBLIC ROADS (IRELAND).
On the motion of Sir W. tionsavn.t.s, leave was given to
bring in a bill for the prevention of widen% and dangers to
passengers upon public roads and highways in Irela.d, and
for the puni•bment of offence* relating thereto.

PUBLIC HEALTH (IRELAND).
Sir W. SOMERVILLE moved for leave to bring in a bill
for promoting the public health in Ireland. It was not his
Intention to press the hII at this period of the see.
sion, and at this particular time, when Ireland was
not in • state in which she could well tear the
great expense with which a till of this nature must
be attended. But he wee hem to say that there was a
desire fur sanitary reform growing up amongst the people.
He would call the attention of the house to what had been
done in the Sanitary Court of the city of Dahlia. From the
10th of October, ISIS, to the 13th of Jure, 1848, 7,108 com-
plaint, were brourht b-fore that court. Nui swots had been
abolished in 8.830 cases ; 6,234 privies had been cleansed
and whitewashed; 1,454 privies had been eledred ; 118
drains had been cleansed and covered in. With regard
to the principle of this hill, he would observe that, in
its main provisions, it resembled that which had been passed
in rater. nee to this c tuntry, though there w-re some altera-
tions which would make its operation more beneficial thou it
would otherwise be in the places to which it was intended to
apply. With the hope that it would be the means of effect-
ing such au improvement he now asked fur leave to bring in
the bill
Mr. MONSELL had heard with pleasure that the go-
vernment intended to introduce a bill fur the preservation of
the public health in Ireland ; but he would ask his right
hon. friend whether or not it were consistent in him, rerre-
seating the government, to lay such stress on the introduc-
tion of: that bill, while they left the gaols in almost every
town in the south of Ireland in such a state that they were
centres of disease In the districts in which they were
situated. It was most desirable that there should be
coupled with the bill relating to the public health of Ire-
land, a measure for the registration of births, deaths, and
rearview s, and he hoped his right hon. fib nd would be able
to announce that the Rev( rumen; would introduce such a
measure early in the next session. Ile trusted also that a
similar announcement would be made with regard to intra•
moral interments in the cities and towns of Ireland. Most
disgraceful scenes now took place on account of the crowded
state of the churchyards, and he felt quite sure that with-
out some change in that respect any bill relating to the
public health would prove ineffectual.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE said his boo. friend (Mr. Mon-
loll) had more than once called the atteation of his right
hon. friend, the Secretary of State fur the Home Depart-
ment, to the crowded state of the gaols is Ireland; and every
effort would be made by the government to relieve the gaols
from the presence of those classes for whom they were respon-
sible. He had himself prepared a bill which he hoped to intro-
duce at an early period, and which would, he believed, effect
by its operation considerableimprovement in the whole prison
system of Ireland.
Sir D. NORREYS said the evils of which the hon. gen-
tleman (Mr. Moesell) had complained was by no means
confined to the gaol or Limerick. Two years ago 147 pri-
soners were soddenly crushed into the gaol of one town for
a petty edema.
After a few words from Mr. MONSELL in explanation,
leave was given to bring in the bill.