The Express.
London, England, 1847-06-16 00:00:00

RAILWAY BILLS.

On the motion of Mr. R. filonoB7v wee ordered, that
the reports from the committees on railway bills, brought up
on Monday, the 14th of June, be further considered on Frt.
day next, provided the breviates of the amended bills be laid
on the table, and the prints of the bills be deposited, as
required by the standing orders.
ENGLISH ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.

' Mr. E. DENISON, in moving for a *elect committee to
inquire into the composition and management of the English
ecclesiastical commission, begged to observe that he meant
nothing whatever disrespectful to that commission, and only
entertained the sincere desire that its object might be
efficiently carried out.
Mr. AGLIONBY having seconded the motion,
Sir H. INGLIS observed that the man must be of a very
sanguine temperament who could expect any result from the
appointment of such a committee, unless he supposed that
parliament would continue its sittings till next September.
(A laugh.)
The motion was then agreed to.
CUSTODY OF LUNATICS.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE obtained leave to bring in a bill to
amend the laws relating to the custody of lunatics.
MERCHANT SEAMEN'S FUND.
Mr. GIBSON (in reply to en hon. member) said there
was not the least probability of the report of the commission
on the merchant seamen's fund being laid before parliament,
or any measure introduced on the subject this session.
AFFAIRS OF PORTUGAL
. .

Mr. OSBORNE begged to ask if the government were
prepared to lay before the house a copy of any despatch
previous to May 1, authorising Colonel Wylde to threaten
So da Bandeira with armed opposition on the part of the
British government?
Lord J. RUSSELL believed that all the papers on the
subject were already on the table. The noble lord took the-
epportnnfty of observing that he fully concurred in the de-
Wratin made on the previous night by his right hon. friend
the member for Edinburgh, that in the sentiments and lan.
page of big hon. friend the member for Finsbury the go-
vernment were quite ready to agree. But he was afraid, as
that amendment was proposed as a substitute for the motion of
the hon. member for Montrose, that its pausing might be mie
interpreted, ae amounting to,no decision ea the motion itself.
It hie hon. friend bad ao objection, be wished that the mo-
ttos et the issa. member ke Kest ssa, elk eenveyed a direct
wean ea the guermalet, might be pat to the house tirst
Hle Mead might that move hie omeashwat • and either in
the shape of a resolution or an When M tbe&own, be (Lord
I. Russell) would be most happy to ewe to it.
' Mr. T. DUNCOMBE had no objeodial to do so. Meanly
Alert in moving it wee to prevent Perkipl in its
dittreeted elate ham being mods the battle Geld orey=
ealast to that hese, and to mom to bee people their
Mr. TRElVllVnTsaberto law from the Eon. mem-
ber for Finsbas7 whether, in the menares spoken of in his
amendment, • se. usury to he takia by Ike British govern-
qr fornoest awing Ponegume. their seastitutional
tadmepieled weenree by Wee etsgam ?
ItUlapeleetall aria*. egy explemedea ea the eab-
jetaud mid Mat the wards Mould epeak themeelna
hent repeated,
Mr. rraCtICITE mid —I ssa met ellibeer of war as
yet tee We essens..7 (Lauhter.)
OURNED DE ATM.
Oa the ceder of the day for reeemng the adjowed
"ark L. EVANS proaseded to de. that tbs eivil
war fa Portugal bad best prearlied, tour
by bey fleig•kys peenemea, the fhet tinted Welt
commewd libe present. govarewithe leima age.
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established ia
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of the people. I look to the coarse which hoe
been takes ha may pahtful trussed int, and I look to the
advice which wee given before the adoption of an armed
intervention. Wes it right to give that advice The plain
course would be, not to give advice eves to • friendly power.
We might well lay we have enough to do to e
own affairs; and this would relieve the governmrntrillnia a
great raspoaaibility. But this was not the course punued in
former times towards Spain and Portugal. lam speakm,
without prejudice; I was no party to the quadruple sr
Hance; I thought it nitwits, and I opposed
better to permit Spain and Portugal to decide for themselne
between one of the legitimate branches of the
Botubons and those who succeeded them. But we can.
not enter on the consideration of what we are to
do now without remembering that the quadruple
alliance has been entered into, and that a contract bas
been made between the four powers, and that they hew
guaranteed the thrones of Spain and Portugal to those
branches of the Bourbon family. If Oen Miguel shoeld
appear in Portugal, or Don Carlos in Spain, you are feud
to interfere with other powers to put an end to a civil war
maintained by one branch of that family against the other.
That course was objected to by me, but it wan confirmed 1;7
a large majority of this house. We must, thereLre, its
giving advice to Portugal, bear in mind, net only ow
ancient relations to that country and her geographical pm&
tion, but we cannot (Incurs the question without remember.
ing, that with respect to the sorereigni of Spain and Porte.
gal there are special obligations which bind us to joint
action with other powers. I recollect, when Mr. Curcio,
was Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and the Duke a
Wellington was a member of the cabinet, that in
1823 Lord Fitzroy Somerset was despatched to eiee
advice to the Spanish nation, to advise them to modify dish'
liberal constitution, and to give increased power to the mon.
erchy. lie was the bearer of a letter from the Duke of Wel.
lington to the leading men in Spain : its object was avowed,
and a discussion took place in the house, when Mr. Canning
resisted the motion of Sir J. Meedunald, and asked the
house to affirm the policy which he had first brought before
them, by which we had undertaken to avert an Mu.
'ion from Spain by a modification of the constitution;
and therefore I say the practice of giving friendly advice to
Spain and Portugal has never been subject to the censure of
this house. When I look at these despatches I see that
&deice was given to Portugal before we cmnraitted ourselves
to armed intervention. Advice was given when it was
intended to commit the act which we cannot bear of sedum
feelings of shame—when it WY intended to transport the
gallant men who had been engaged in a civil contest to an
unhealthy climate is violation of the faith of treaties—when
this set was intended I find the British government remon-
strating against it. I think we were justified ie
making that remooetranoe and in giving that advice.
(Hear.) Then, again, there was the proclamation that all
persons taken in arms should be instantly shot. Against
that decree a remonstrance was again entered into on the
part of the British government, from which it was wisely
and properly left to the Porteguem government to draw the
iefereases that it was impossible for us to countenance then,
WO skim dime any sympathy if acts of that kind wwe
nommilled—ossi which were calculated to bring upon then
theheillyaedea et the whole civilised world. (Sear, bear.)
Theialiste, wish sr peat to tke sentiments expressed in the
diespeteltes, I eisy that advice was given in favour of forbear.
'Mee wed fatettiett the motives which actuated the govern.
mass amin the advice which they had given, I do not NM*
itenoisietent with justice to visit the act with that condemna-
tion which the adoption of the motion of the honouraWa
member for Montrose would involve. (Hear, hear.) But I
pew Wine 10 the eats. You may be wiling to acquit the
=of esleg intentional misconduct, but if the ant
, mat
thee ar• band to be at variance with justice tad
mud policy, yon are at liberty, if not to censure the govern-
ment, at least to compel a revocation of those acts. (Bev,
boar.) In reviewing the acts of the government, the reed!
lection of the sth of April, as a day of the utmost import.
once, must not be lost sight of. Up to that day we had
limited ourselves to friendly advice, and to remonstrances,
sad lap to that day few persons would be disposed to censure
the government for any act they hail done, or any advise
they bad given. At the name time, in reviewing the acts of
any government, I should attach considerable weight to the
motives and intentions by which the acts were directed; and
the qmstion is, whether we, on the sth of April, when it wee
Clear that her Majesty's government departed from ita tonne
and then undertook, not merely to give advice, but to make
proposals which, in certain sontingencies, might involve
the poesible neuesity of an armed intervention, had given a
sufficient indication of the act, apart from the motives which
induced it. We are now sitting as judges of the past, and
we have a great advantage over those who had to mike a
decision which should provide against very complicated sad
uncertain contingencies. That which was then obscure is
now as light as day. It is now ver7 easy to say that a sit.
take had been committed, but it ought not to be forgot:ea
that the individual who now bad • knowledge of all
that has taken place, is in a very different poeitim
from him who had to decide in the dark, under umiak;
and difficult circumstances. (Hear, hear.) With thirteen/
therefore I will place myself, in considering the question, is
the situation and position of her Majesty:s government, who
on receiving a communication trout the Portugurse govern-
ment, had to decide upon the course to be pursued; sad I
must say I cannot conceive a position more embarrassing, or
a decision more difficult. (Hear, hear.) On the one hand
there was the government of a nation which had done acts
that merited disapprobation ; and there was every argument
against a forcible intervention in a domestic quarrel; had
there was also the danger that by such intervention di
country might set a precedent for other and future intirees.
tions from which serious embarrassment might arise. flue
are considerations which were material to be weighs& !Itt

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no man hob a stronger objection than I do to wioton ia-
tervestion. Oa the other hand, it became the government
of the country, nsperable as it is for the administration
stasis% to emsider also what course it was fitting to arm
with rasemos to the general interests of humanity, sal
the raearadoa of domestic peace in a country in the in-
ternal quietude of which we are entitled to take a deep
interest. Was there any prospect of an early termination
of the areggise which were carried on in Portugal—were
not psalm sto equally balanced, that the contact which
ahead sea the let of April last, had been continued from
the 7th of October preceding—was there not • probability
that, if we had stood aloof and mid to the Porters@
reties, Yon must tight the matter out yourselves, we
should have witnessed a still more terrible seriors wank
ha fidelity at that away would live
sellba brz
sosures• arippled, her dentint at the di
paermisat &mord established mama the atsa ed Is
tame nation—l might ablest wry of the NMI/ ihIIIia7MOSIA
the superiority of either an* party or the other, (a the ddb
heiaz &sided ? blinds the widows width has brightsi
to the esselusion that, had Ilion a =saber of the grew
err width had to set is the larks, der of Marti hrt,l em
=Tied to say that I amid set bra taken the sera
melee extreme difficulties bre Majesty's raw
ist—ams passed ? (Hear, bear.) I lasow that it is ray*
prove rapt the per of those who write deriteins mar
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wirier, so fir as the
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