The Express.
London, England, 1847-05-21 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY /VEINING, MAY 21i 1847..

The able•tedied labourer was unwilling te eat the loped it
iditmses la the soils of a smithies@ et the eoM of sspnretian
frost his wife Gag allarlet=42,4111:11:::
tLe frimer, his meriffsre ids rate for
sy ow pow, careepwat upon Ids (the '4) aereptanse
eyrormzethe wishbones. The maim lad not, sad weld
Is the way saffelpsimialt the legisiature. This
hsl boas onto& by the 'Aimee, tha intelligent town-
Sleek of lltelt, Mr. the desk to the
Beseintllnesdkasatelllt, and the opinions
of time nmeosennbensted matimeate
whisk et= C=llted eepteseed the diesemises
whisk trek plea ea the Poor-law Alliellainalt BM, mime
bran& homed by the late Lord Allborp. On all the wi-
dows ggigsseeg rolanmes to the weeds( of this prieei:
pie, he was eensineed this the application of labour test
for relit soli snbstitelot without any dillienlty in fact
that pried& led bees applied in hundreds of instances,
and especially in the towns of Bolton and hiaoclestield, in
times of osseniselning destitution and distress, as shown by
the report of Mr. eividt in 1842.
Au hon. assay here observed that forty .ben were
not present, Amapa omega were edam egand to
withdraw, and the /mum was agate estate. The reftpen:
leg of the galleriss skewed that a alleisa azzatior al mem-
bers were in attendees, Is "Itsv the beam, tad
Mr. P. SCROPI reamed.—fle bra. .ember aged that
there ought to be a diseredea egad fa the beard of gear-
dines, to imply the labour test, wateatrailed by the regula-
ting ziOAMilii by the poor-law esamaizeismin. In that
else they would have the workless, test to iB beak upon,
is these ass is which the hes. sad lama member for
Bea (Mr. Roebuck) had eselemmil his steratirs. neatly, the
idle al diraelate. apposed a that. maw the eat-
ing sista, ea the sae bead lba
the aluellage lamer
was hardly hell with, whits the idler mad the imposter met
with lasiking. With them remarks be amid support the
bill am Were the house; but, st the row time, he must
• hops that its posies mad pregame would be car-
= is • agy Mama mater tom tat which the poor-
haw seimiesiaasbd bags wises ben Paged to adopt.
els W. JOLLIPU aid the ha. amber far
bed amdeavared easalple the emeakeienessCrsidS
Wean. He (Sir W. JAM) agreed with that lea. sew-
kg that they were eat isagasibbt for the niers of the
Belem ULU= ; but the_spewh of the sal, the chair
mss el the Aadover Cegewitter, preasahal splay
the
itview of the whole setipala. ma say that
he the coasts et the sewaralea ia to stales
Mr.
Mr. P er to wake Ow fairy is his sus darks was
aqtjastilialge. The agile hell amid that the wawa of the
eataasiateare Is Mani* Mr. Parka: ad Mr. Day was
trargshe sad isblaszor ; be (Sir W. Jolliffe) went beyond
thatosencadiegthetltwesset warranted by the statute under
whisk the weamideare ameba their powers. As regarded
the bin bane the beak be ilbsesht k wee liable to many
casebjestleaa. The paned abasseler of the commix
would tavola great lassawaleses ; and if the cons-
Weans were eradated Is the way proposed, the inspectors
maid be ha the eras pestles a the ushetunate liniment
semnksimes. It weld be'apewilde fair the inspectors to
hen! =t Inarshes, ea he hail dist before the bill
p thel an et ilweeld asks serefel considera-
tion. The dbwitaWer sub tgagaisearlas by private kitten%
without maignieg may reeea, as • pasta which Milt be
attended with peat evils. Me had always supported the
' poor-law as a who* ha est without psrosiving
plat mny diadvaatasee mathed to it, and he be-
lined that IMO evils vim inoperable from any system
of enstralintion. He MOH Vaasa that a new kind of
provision skald be made Ike the passe of indifferent ehaese-
, ter. Whil*wameftalHlsdeo wogs placed ia the work-
-14 house, it would be masa to ogled gay peat permanent
apoorestast fa the eharecter of the Omen of workhouses.
Biz J. WALSH regretted that *bele& amber had, like
se way saw nrabsre, dwelt to s egagartery teas upon
the sewiast of the peer-law aagtaadempe. Never had any
I body stabile sesalem relneeted le a Mazer ordeal than
thew esaasswre. The Andover datadttee fru oota-
.

posed of sea of seat taloa; asset at wham wow
actuated tsy holing, of Motility to the asomed; aid
the ~sissientas had to amend NOM tha Pleglai°6ld
one who had boss estrastsd with their eauldness. In sidta
of all this, be Moved ess osmadssinaws bad Ono trim-
gottly oat of the astisal. (frostisli adage" near, hear,.
Kr. Wiley.) I whim won tho tenth at aas s 7
careful study of the indium gib sad of dl des alissow
stances of the caw He paned aver Vas gaistioa ad oda&
ministration in the Andover woethaeso; tia bad
to do with too asansinisnors. Bet this main quentkoa4l
was the titillating the assistant comminisson received from
the conninlanset. On this ppqn he Eng say, in the lest

plea, that he never uadenteatlis Am at ea-assistant ems-
=Wiener to be or appointment hr Ilk. If they admitted
the necessity of • astral anther*, at alk they mast give
that central authority power el remeding anbraeree at
pleats». Were the mertant ecieraimisems removed for
retires utterly inenisiest t Kr. Day was mewed because
he had Rag. hheedfpartlierly =pepsin In Wiles. Mr.
Parker he OM. INA sgreseed to him tally to Justify his
reasetel. Per kis two per, be could ad understand why
marmot rammirienem shed& be treated with so much &d-
-ewy. They had dries to prilsra. end If these
dada were sr eferreerly or tempeleatly performed.
they mar expect reetaveL As to the bill before the
house, be mar my that it was with aineiheable difficulty
that he brought himself to support it. Ile bed always been
an advocate at the nay poor•law, and he eenki not help
thinking still list up ashes that law oder have, were
amply tosaiterbeinnedi by its grout adventerm However,
he should as* owe the memo in its maser step.
Mr. PLOTS& sorrowed or opinion that OM ball before
the home would essecaly camme the edgers Isralsolgsw4
I:&mste yeemsesse. The alm ia dr esuremisa was
rather ef seer dra Warms. Ad ta sae es two
of the lord haat* a "MU pedkawat, log ex-
pelled Mk rend to eel& Awn that when, the
odor alleire we With
roper to the power el ks the work-
houses which was veiled by till L 11l airellaillANOSlSlll. he
thought It weld be wier that they dwell be sobadtted t,
d reen/imetienalpmlorent, es fa the MOO of the nibs for
tberstrietiso of Hs else eldestal athe power of
gigs diarist aeditre, and the rode to whisk theybrae le are eon
pelmet, Bo wet et aides that It geed& be peak
pose the quark& der wisher per. They would then here
asAmpettunity of catering won filly into it, and the p-
renamatweald bar eissr thee to matins a WIMPS
woad he sere likely to mass the hap{ Ind Milk
otekiap mesa in the earilley raw
Pataidrini=lihdrip bob Hs wool& *mirk
supper the saradmat et thea. member he Hewer
kaal. BUBSELL said that it had been ray Isla
served, that is the mere of this debate not one, bed
quakes had been andsdistaries ; and that theme Irmo
qualms had been mimed up with various others, et sake
it wes hardly possible le ,agagir...6...a.....aa..
to Oi lillar is Mill ar Mset egiskkbsibee rfeetrias
heasedietiky le dr semi el the Mil. edwirdeg ia
thA =apes routs. ber
iresersitazadiasw=do:rit
itssif.sad its ababierrisaerisrthe review
eammigsleases. ea te. =kg the vairstrisee got
&SOO WWI OM
ih......a...41. ASOIOW=
coassitess. WM te
neat Air OAK be.. Windst wbetwes
the eaten et •thet Itaireirkidadisa wilt& flat
set was intended le ealbllll. 411111 wen he it an Neide an
only to the sideste el Mork of egnwpdea the laborer of
the carry sad airroyleg their papery, bat likewise I
the various /Wrists whisk were reset @greet the pre-
sent sperm They we Uhl that an arbitrary power wee
giro to a make% earmialea, sad that it ma el variants
whit the mmilleaden glise .say three ass shod& have the
Nom stwaibliflowliwwd tspolstiop theetaktigas es whisk
relief wr le Walesa le lie paw at tke enemy. Mawr
the sperm stai•inierMsa width tailed reviardy I. Aal
it was work while to advert to it lemase its was neturldest

4 WI
wit.;; ihse dolor the Vies dorousTsi:dtc:pstee- Ter;
is las esellows of the pareal spasm. they Rapt is a
few ha Mahan liee eras Armes eta ideos alma*.
whia it iesphwed. (low, hear). It
thift rep*
_ei provisioas nes te==
ilfartiat esafray Tread muddle that had boa supsei- ,
swat I._eoetasiesipselesely, awl ewe vow, aesseqwady,
Voinshissnay ea M peat of the labostress to provide
and that lhatlite ad it the wages which
they wieeltel What r the seem adopted in this
state it Mee? • ii trawler of yentas amen.
bled er
_owl Oa laws on ths
la lad' altegme tt Ihe ho etlilhaboth. (Hear.)B4l*
mule a law dr a mea serving wages should hare a
mak etnesset see 4 Ha aureitiv‘ to los senssosod by the
wire of the treks INK beiag had also to the
astalor Of hiejlimily. hies/ was evident that the 43rd
of lifiaboth did hot essliWny such babied.= se
this. (Hear.) That law be the poor, the im-
part. sad aghast
ktlha sad it prided
am hr the elduftft wore idle mad had
ast wish, athe malltha aid they should be set
is week; but ft were Washed is give away
oat of the vela le awa la to
eseeloyawat, and who re-
wind what was swipe* to be sawate temessaidea from
Hair mattklitla i god aeh • &air read mak' to *ay,
was at name with the Los ad spirit of Hot est of Eli.
= re:,
utri i i
,),
mon,
ma tA a i thew is
aatan jia, teem
etwordeagratialheawseethat dohs mem& la shi,
gag at Ilasbilkor iegameratee is Tarbes esundou The
int • • lie Waved. In the slaty of
Berks.= Tat ailleewesde alepted lw wawa other
comities. Thy bel merle War re dieweden. They ,
orb the as doubt, with • view of liesaddwg the 1
p 054601107 is a mouser totally orblerery, end
idley4
is a seesaw Di their owu views at th s
polio wiser aid . Yet to whom we thew
wegiamatee ? It was sat to la that
the Lord pawner would lateehas, and Inusii them he
=ie a saws lila they bassi Is be Ibr the pad.
Th. segenhamets, ma the gentray k la
ingsniseil
swei
nli ray ilauSaeitut at the pokers oefheir em,
ta the hmtelli thenthey tit hide, Led It the
eterMay of Sato dehaded thew atom Hwy dal this
tad the other bort otgethemesat bad the W ',-
aposing, war tiny wore liable to • doable Meen, MOM the rgleiggistiarM an
ouvicill thehitimainidlffrund
web
am
ihm=ettif
then wes at aght ha thir hi * dm pear Mars.
(Hear.) These same bullpens assinitth W oakum
a the metenewheloag hied is this sweets et the Ca-
to
ariatemet teary la lath sad VAL Hi red lest alma
to this IWO essained le Ors regain tat the while taw
of the rules dna hewed the while the Inignal et
those who so slowed pad • the Ad it hi di
was to raise the pauper to Ili amedielle et es
litheingn they salt gedneedas aldromdla Wm*" le dot
seadllioa a • psis. The libeasse who modem the ger
rum re dermdset ea the pair very, was dreadott
a. the raelunioN imiiiit is the 111107, wall
=tsa the If MOO Opole* Jialdreknomb•nt et I:,
au
endlifthi is tillle * a prima* labeezw; wick

millets raised* tr. illise—,tii ibillallie Obi%
him w weegisakeeel welsh ..• be elms, ewoodeled et
law Mese, end weir to the (Haar.) Whin MID
, t M Lord Orey einerned to referee them elmearti
reloslarhasidaselg eaddent teet they' "old 111 fuse
ese.). at rearseneeMotweisteely while the bill we WSW
aiddiemog.g.,mmee
}:,:errnm sig)th:Whea
th*or
th.A.hoep %It.wtes%ete ' law
smaip,
eeideg
=istsatert.helir the 6trailituttitlC7pegettnelles.
end to nay powers to al 111111.11111111110 to
make roltdistioes. The first olio& 4 tke
was to stop the allowance, mid peep rri
effect was to degrade the laboinose, en Oa thse
of it it seemed to be a system or Wdgeon. and
he might easily be led to believe that aa injury was dose
hiss, end that parliament and goverment sought to benefit
property at the taperer of the poor. The neat thing was to
deprive the magistrates of the power of ordering relief ; and
though many of the magistrate said it was a power they did
not think they eould beneficially exercise, yet that was not
the case with a great body, not perhaps the best amongst
them, but men who were desirous of popularity, and anxious
to be called the " poor man's friends " -(loud cries of " Hear,
hear ") -and to eh, ck the idle and improvident labourer
who would travel five or ten miles out of the
parish to obtain an order on the overseer for relief.
All item magistraw were indignant at the change. An
ether alteration was in the consutution of the parochial vas.
trier bodies which in infinite cases had been used to favour
the grossest abuses, voting rates with the most bounteous
liberality, in order that they might put money into their owe
=,s by working the contracts arising out of them. These
toe, ware dreadfully shocked at the cruelty et the
wow law, which so interfered with their private
Alteraeo, object with Lord Alt' orp was, to give din
cestiesary were to the commiseioners, anthills* he
Indy se essential to the uniform operation of so
vest a Illassure, but which gave wide 'cope for tirades
stypioat the absolute sway of the " three kings at Somerset-
hoer; " the three tyrants," and so on. To proceed to the
eemplainta made, more especially within the last few
years, against the Poor-law Commissionm ; with
reference to these commissioners, the committee which sat at
the Andover union affair had passed certain resolutions. He
bed before intimated that were any vote of censure founded
sr thaw resolutions he should resist it. As no such vote
bed been proposed, he did not think it necessary to go at all
SAT Into the question■ agitated before that is 'amines,
Yd Which had only incidentally been referred to in
the present di bate. He had a confidence in the
eberacter, attainments, and integrity of the commie.
semen which led him to the thorough belief that they
had proceeded with an honest discretion in the fulfilment of
their most responsible duties. As to the dismissal of two of
the assistant-eommissionen, be quite osocurred in what had
fallen from the hon. hart., the member for Radnorshire. He
could new. r consent to deprive the heads of public depart-
ments of the faculty of dismissing Alms under their
direction. It was said, indeed, that there were no grounds
for the dismissal of Messrs. Parker and Day, but he was of
opinion that the commissioners were likely to be more com-
petent judges on this point than the committee. (Hear,
hear.) Hen. gentlemen spoke as though these assistant.
commissionen bad a freehold in their on,csi which they
were not to be divested, whereas, their appointments were
clearly of a temporary nature, the duration being regulated
entirely by circumstances. The unhappy fact was, that
there hod existed such a state of feeling within the commis-
sion, such a desire to set the assirtintmonstnisionen in an-
=ism with their superion, that disquiets was inevitable.
was Mr. Chadwick, the secretary, making charge,
soled the comatbdoesers which, if well founded, would have
eallond deem gaits unworthy to retain their office. (Hear,
lesee.)• Boa whoa the evidence upon which these charges
one ends IMO to be inquired into, it turned out to be of
Me area . And upon this point he would
NM* . t if Mr. Chadwick and Mr. Parker
mum NO • with the air -city of the gentlemen
terlor whom dolled, they should either have denounosd
theta to the of State and effected their dia
misled soon deerpt of their misconduct, or else them-
mhos have their positions under men whom they
Se
Utterly illialerolol. (Hear, hear.) It was quite impos-
sible Ise publiedefyartment to go on-to fulfil its duty to the
the eabortbnates did not sot fairly towards
theft superiors, bat ecoopied their time in undermining and
miemtermining them, and caballing in every 'tile en:
efelost them. (Hear, hear.) A house div against hoar
nramen stand. (Hear, hear.) As to the working of the law,
as debt lecapletats had been made in particular ioataaees;
ret=orelly speaking, the working of the law had been
very satisfactory-during the Let two years, at all
events. (Hear, hear.) He could distinctly affirm, that.
dein the preset year especially, though there were 690
=lees in oPtretion, the complaints had been very few in.
deed, the barb of guardians almost usimmally declaring
thswedves setlidsd to receive the cede. el the comas-
....prelliwiesn Wen. es have law preeldbed kr Ilhoir
thee le be lefteatade their writ Ilsenniss.
T= grolimme mite - . ' dua tbs MIUM seed •
SlNNUttlail tilt day six nude eselese awe=
doss eilldllllestirely rested ea mere assegelos, dun be did
as. hen it sesseary to reply to them. (Hear, hear.) He
bal=ma ad seamytng parapets to Manchester and expos-
lag these to misery and starradon ; bet the diary
loci 10 little ilmadatien, that it was hardly worthy et seelowe
esmideration. He came now to the third Issedes-
namely, whether the plan proposed deserved the emartioa of
the house ; and here the first question to be asked was,
should we have any central control-should tiltaa=aswa
commission be allowed to expire, and relief be
by boards of gaudiens, ash exercising its own diewelden
as to admiakithog, the law of Elisabeth or that el UN 2
The dhows's= WOW hews proved, he dessibe. floes gag.
ought to be same metre' control. (Beer, beer). He
thought this desirable both to prevent oppremien_ as msdled
the paupers, and abuse which, seeming to be avem to
tbrugupers, would, be most injurious to the sonntry. Tb,
of guardians generally would edsolnisber she lea
more strictly and harshly if there were not se= spied lea.
central body, which had to answer for its seduce to.
parliament. Suppose five or six Beek .40116.40 0.
Andover Union in a year, committees et that Ur*
would not be divert, d to sit for sixty days in I
gating each inquiry of such a cheracter. lath ellt
urelme7 would not so for affect the attendee of peillemma,
as to ilerEtlesse• to devote their Ikea wale Wile
moral was imbed CeounMew would sedeater
into the of every ant owe, aril dsdeeothiniupe-
tsaey or itteespeteney eThendestroliane =IVO
of at the end of that yam. a we
sesority for time who would steer hardship nosier tut bar,
Gael it would ateprevent abase ; foe if seine beeeditod
dimes were were eesuassa hank at Oben the sharenapi=
meal& spring upeMwesid be Elegised sad
by every ezeme. dog idea dime am sees allealt
seesmissieser se Sob
bye eistuel beard. jimo•
el =old gather somegdit, en aba wan we inn
Woe hater off time whoa that vamp/ and ladulgease
end liberality ended in rural insurresden end
able was sow appealed to es the al 'phis- (EZI
Ile semi, shoo, to the easslasies. Met dare
sone soared sestrol, MA Oink thestasi west what
entree tad skald be. The hea s. W sarenn Oho
I* leineddes) end be rameshosed Lad
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hal token plate solny nth 111011110 1."4...i... ItM
sal whiten say regard to flare gailleal
UM pseesseuel the daily edlielhalsaties erWripeer4sw
4liaa rota Wag brought as ea estest into lig
Wm; bat ia that reigeat 1111 •
1111161. . The sae st the lied hew WTI
beam the Maw end the MI '
,Allied le delemidtms. en wheat led ban
=. the hones hed sappswed der Ails fer
ia
ffearetery et hide ind made as asedree of elm= en the.
entensows* Then bad, thrice, set bees_gbag Med
removal hem de tarred geweessum or the soleffitind W.
errs and awned= width 'tyro ially =lir
be disease. Mat" beer.) Thretled boss a hasdtwtktea
politimi sesamdes, bemuse tae balm et boa hownet
patient= bed emceed how =nag the posoless a paw
qassmites. Bet then • the lb IP*
dem de Illemalseyntiree=bsillirsale mese
:sat sailliZettdewthedeskinweekerwett ,Ilikeeldwiesdiser°°"wbsugcnotern7irmwhiessis.et
whatesersaadmaborliklithetiatberetmeit
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on =bin the matins-whe bed hawed an dideled4
&shed le own oath* and sin a
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bete dis was Itemelyis:lat et detail Tbe real
Alifipetll. mama loWeeed wan thst hors
ha the ad.
erishashien d' law, sad ediso=llte a met la
pedirrassa. He id mw all he dhadeselipt Irina he had

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already sees Is emsasetlag the poor 4aw administration with.
parliament. (Hear, hear.) He quite admitted that It would
tepees the government of the day to an amount of okeessog
obloquy to which governorate had not formerly ba ei,
posed. He admitted that it was a far easier halt kr ~>
west, when every parish vestry decided its era sia= - 4
of relief ; but then it should be reeellelleil Meg , i
they were about milking • great social M ';
the administration of the law. In 1834 liel
to reform the abuses which had arisen hem.
deviations from the law of Elizabeth, which kr •
He now thought that those reforms could stet am.
end out without a central control mmediatelyreepe le •
, parliament. He believed that in that manner there*
..
get the machine to work easier; that the complaints Wadi
be very few, and that they would take up but vety BM* of
the time of the house. Ho wish was, that the act of Xi.
zabeth should be carried out in its full spirit, in coaknoity
with the state of society and the institutions of the present day,
The exact words of that act were hardly applicable to Ike
present time, when, if they set the poor to work in any
manufacture, they would be unfairly competing with inde-
pendent labourers earning wages, or getting done what mast
turn out to be useless work. But that the workhouse rys-
tem was in accordance with the act of Elizabeth he entirely
believed. (Hear, hear.) That relief should be largely as
liberally given in conformity with the spirit of the set,
he
believed was necessary for the maintenance of the frame.
work of society in this country ; and, therefore, he did not
think that the expenditure which now existed, amounticg,
snit did, to the whole sum received for property and inmate
tax, should be complained of, provided that the mode din
administration was what it ought to be. (Hear, brae) He
thought that by adopting this bill, admitting that it eat
an experiment, that it was a change from the moot
kw, admitting that no one could be certain that, el Income,.
defects exhibited themselves in the act of 1834, similar detests
might not turn up in the act of 1g47 ; still, admitting all this,
admitting that it was a path beset with great difficulty, he
thought they should be adopting a prudent course, aed,
therefore, he prayed the home to consent to its being read 4
second time. (Cheers.)
Mr. DISRAELI had so little to say that be thought he
should be able to bring his observations to a oonclitsioa Woe .
the midnight hour. (Cheers.) He begged the home le sh.. .. ,
serve that throughout the argument of the noble lord theseeme • :
the fallacious assumption that all who concurred la them.
amity of central control were agreed that that control dwell •
be metropolitan. (Hear, hear.) There wee no midi
course, no halting-stage between an obscure parish ind • ,
Somerset-house. lie himself had never chitlins,* thdeo„ ,
cerity of central control for the affair* of this ; he
he could not moment to the noble lord's proposition, tkethr
cause central control was necessary, the centre of coated '
in all cases should be the metropolis. (clear, hear.) Coaled .
was a relative term. It might mean the centre r
a county. (Hear, hear.) The laws of charity must be
local, as were the feelings. (Hear, hear.) That was the .
principle they were discussing, that was what they had to
decide—the amount of central control. Thekolution of the
noble lord was, control in the metropolis ; but why net in-
vest it in the chief authorities of a county. He did not see
that Shropshire questions could best be settled in Lemke.
(Hear, hear.) Ministers themselves admitted the evil
of large unions; but here they were going to este-
blish a union over all, the centre of which war to be
the capital of the British Empire. (Hear, Meet
Let them look for a moment at the rystens of central mama
which was presented to the house. The noble lord NW pipit
to bring the minister of the poor into parliament. Yank
bow it would work. A labourer in an obscure parish CM- ,
aidered himself aggrieved, he went before his hoard, cook
not get relief, and immediately appealed to the central
authority. It would then become a question for the Hell.
of Commons, to be discussed by her Majesty's ministers.
(Hear, hear.) The evil of bringing the parochial l
constantly under the notice of the legislature weelr:l:
be immeosely aggravated by this bill. (Hear, hear.) He
feared that notwithstanding all the noble lord had said of
the absence of party feeling, there would be great dilkalry •
in preventinb Macaroons of this kind from degencratiog IN
party He did not find any fault with the schism
en the made so tbly niggested. by the hon. member he
DoeestsDire. He had always believed that the power el
the crown, instead of being diminished, ought te
be increased. (Ironical cheers.) He was metals
that if the power of the crown were increased it wealth
all the better for the working classes, and he was rather sur-
prised that the hon. member for Finabury should greet that
sentiment with an incredulous cheer. (Cris of
"Time.") Be should content himself with laying that
he did net obj cs to the present bill bemuse it
had a tendency to increase the power of the mown.
He objected to that system which made the parochial me-
stitution of this country a part of the parhamenta=,
Lion. He was certain that as long as load'
wee subjected to that wise control which Is eery Mr*
they could establish, they would have the aro Mikan'
administered in a manner more satisfactory to the
than ander any other system. He was equally het
the moment they had a responsible canister it OM •
and the moment they had every detail of parbid
Met
ment brought into that house, all the tries that
present devoted to railroads, all that proviso. of thirkillalla
which now daily increased under the bead of public WIN% .
would be nothing to the tune to bo devoted to man _
affairs, when they changed the House of Common' Mb* -
hoard of poor•law guardians. (Cheers) That was his abet . J
jection to this law. Another topic. to' which he shwa
aikido, though he wished to avoid it, wail that which ,;
to the Andover intim committee. The noble lord =
the poor-kw comosiesimers with reference to the biseme d
that committee. But he was bound to say, that as
matter how various were the opinions of the
maters who composed that committee as to the
principles and the administration of the poorionr,
miry body would admit that in the mein the re-
sult of that investigation weeddekly beneficial to the lima
ef the people. The nobla lord mad that he amid est Mem -
to he imputation' out cm ihe peonlaw commimicemes abut . .
be &sad their chief Am sabterranemuly weariest • •
their priasiples • sad rated that he was not that
pablie indlignatien cat sad
excited against what
their esantary vim, in an underhand seemenr, em
Wog lielitime pair uprise' arraign their
pepekapho. It
' WI. Weed
this
alga kr trim to bare their relpsi sem
working in this dededrail manner against them, ad het
should be some amethlesalisei for those plain uraliele Mr
himself, who were mat demo to the Andover mile, IWO ..
furnished with footsie% at 'wow obliged to take ad* la , •
' eadeavouriag to hest sa sprigs ea evident" bud '
before them, with *haw Was Ora poisoning the Mar
tains of justice. He would sok dr amble lord wee die eats
the secretary of the law eerandesioners at thiseeemiat?
(Lord J. Russell .) The noble lord nodded assent;
but though he knew him to be the mirror of accent chivalry
and treth, it was impossible for him to believe that thm
weemeter in human form—this man. who bad perverted all
the evidence, and who had given it all sorts of tortuous tater-
pretetions—this fountain end origin of all evil--war positively
the secretary of the poor-law commissimers at this present
moment. He (Mr. Disraeli) heard the chief pocelaw
commissioner my. that Mr. Chadwick was the at
&ammo. and useempalosis individual he evertorse in omi-
t _ with. He hosed him described by the prime Meister
Ike real erase of all this mischief, but for wheal they
' sever have had this Andover committee, and wall
• dew law bad this bill, which the boa. member for Desist
dellolled so umemmailational, and yet he was told lit ins Ili
the 'orrery ddb peer-law tomminioners. He should like
to knew what secret d Mara he .sou possessed oculist
le bed es much power over the government. If
rabbi lord mem forward aad mill that be knew the pah-
dials that exisealuseiar Mr. Cleedwidle fad knew la" *
bad bees odd was by the late aka esearakost of per-
ky, that he wee the meet athersocaod arerepoleas ens
. he mar met with, bat yet that each was lie .
in him, and se eariatal woe 10 that be hod 4080625
that be would NM ospeart hies ia his Aloe even la the
apposeddrp diratatra of pall:anal 110. '
ben
(isrDieraek) d ea
raid boa deem to Ware the prom rah
too. s err se baled and. so brava. who would act daunt
his car ASK whose emPloied Una" II .
and who ke his duty. he noble
did not do tisk hburebrirmadready to be the SU d • •
MOM whom he thermased Hs sakehe could sot= ike .
peer.law arentedara, het they ware the awe irib_lit
eiranestemosa that seen spar al whir isdigaieo._rom
wee now elartelledis wake 4
•=llllr All. 1111". .
with two aserearies. and was to faddish :IS,
&nada' Gyres et astral taiminkarint 411=3;
the underhand preseallops, sad toorreseehl '
calumnies of the IN/Issfiary ; and the eesteteeesseeNnas I" •
secretary of the Pour-law Car tuitaram tarred up to
thorniest smet. He (kr. Disraeli) did met lases Mir
this was his of Mr Chadwick. He led WA his
beim him as a hash hula very seal wham be ode ma
he akelaribh wallas drembry hodltioa ef tideatudtp
Herhateedie this law, Sal leenetbe droll reader he
eleemoraer wader which it was brought forward. kid •
wises Area wan made mart the Andover Vera Cow
masse, ha to neebd them of the centimetre, •
wader mid* dalibened. The bon. bossed, the 18... •
her far , kad. ad banded him a nselation whhh
be mewed is that whisk was ferried alaritalt .
alesermass ip. It rat .% dr aka hat eke peellaelk. ' •
lhe lts•f4aw oolealtellatte he gaper to Haws Dot
woe elat ad sad oak wash
meandm with the Matteaslsath exerefeed their la I
w .
Mom, and mime ha, a to pailia.esalifisere is the all-
miaowed= et theter. Ralsksolled their eithelahlobar
tradaddrill= kadjahelleblepardekalki: .
IL Mahe* Whoa deehastodaketbe
dohs id this pulite the adialhraderd. thei:l,74
Azad dile brew per al tattnentlatra woe proved al".. •
=LOW, del mew. The feeeieeloll, be
seZeler
end headed ea her which came eat in dr
al....WTl:oby Mds• if 4 Divide.") He kb bewt: -74
Abe sae weed la deism dile. Day, whoa= ~.
Me kiemd in the hems bat himself. lie had
hears he wits • coaseitaest at Mess thossetan.. The ilht
_....
red said aa reisteat passim esamisisho, lead be 11.1.
I' er!: his aillia.
J. RIIIIIIJILL—Ho • - ' • isi,iii ittodioie.
Mr. DI/38Ji1.1.—.1. pier/MOOR had seta keethi.
ttistk4l9-- he °war feet hater d tiara
_.
.___.ii, ash
kr. Dew herhimised at em, that 11. lossiliow". .
without any mass him wigged. Mr. Ha hatedasta
hie owe mask t. lee ems • aril bed iademes
*bore, *ad be rehabbed a. ea ter 'MOO a du'
laci=ate.
pew lam Hewn ee. the 'Medd* de NW 111"ra,
neat, 104 we eat ltr• Abe and 'Ng
-a Webs. was • sis lardidse and
Met part at' hoessaky ehrt kam
he hawse hpaphe •Aldshep bk dithoelM-1"
ailliNi•Witelt heaths Ladd darer
whitefish he had hem easakeed. How is to the our he
eittbilke. he whastadorithrid with thissoopelipaest .
ediesareetilasealk err reideilhe exits ewer* mai- • -
mem.. .llst dr 1.01.6 basal to adr 1111 was, whir • •
theeteed of thabelresost peeperree sad ressaind
hat eras derstropoilier eato red whisk he Wiese& is he
as heal, sod which wee the nal erre el el the hire*

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wades of the coletry„ .0a an the' co
dieetent which had
..ored in respect to the poor-lair. (" Hem," and min
▪ jar, lIORTHWICK moved the adjoarmaret of the de-
wy, (Cries of "Go on," sad " Adjourn.")
Thopietion having been pat,
Led J. RUSSELL urged that it was not sow too late
&ripe. hoe. members who wished to take part In the die-
didi le addnws the home that night ; and certainly so far
the merits of the hill were concerned, he saw no reason
why
they should not come to • division without any farther
umseremen[. (" Go mi.")
Mr. BORTH W ICK still premed for the aeljournmeat.
Mr. FERRAN D charged the government with attempt-
a,. to Mae the discussion. The nolde lord (Russell) bad
Ids statement" were unfounded ; hut he had not proved
dID am be on. Let him now stand up, end declare which
dhis ...t.rnenra were unfounded.
Mr VILLIERS gild he would paint out one "nth state-
ment—that the p any-lase oommissiowera had sanctioned the
pampace of chil.iren from the agricultural du-tie, to be
„Hai slaves in the manufacturing diatriet" (Cheers.)
Apithir was, that the workhouse maven had murdered the
domed the paupers. (Cheers.) There were many other
dommits of a lilt.. character.
Lod J. RUS'tELL said be had certainly considered thole
sugoasate ant'. undid. His belief wag, that the pontqaw
eamiemonere, knowing that both children and perenb in
di...make/urine dial icia tee iced much higher wages than
bitha egriculiiiral diamitts, thought it would be for their
kind[ to inform them of it, and, accordingly, did so. He
mid same the bon. member for Knervaborough that he
had made no attack on hie character. It was for him to make
what statements he pleased in the how.*; but when they
were planarity, go marked by meshes, by exaggeratios, and
by • sea of belief that the poor-law commiminitere were
monsters who took a pleasure in murdering chiltiren—
(dieem)—he thought he was not using more than the priri-
Iwo of debate, when he said that these statements were on-
*loaded. (Hear.)
statem
IIiAND denied hving those
r.e,
mid proFEßeeeeleE I, amidst much a
impatiencemade in the haute, tont" re-
peat what he hut Aided
The cries of " divide " were now general, and the gallery
was cleared sera division, but
Lord J. RUSSELL said be should be sorry to have it
supposed that the fullest opportunity bad not been afforded
ix say ins.ri that could be mode to what he had stated.
He would. then fore. consent to the adjournment of the de-
w., oa the underameding that it would not be prolonged
another teeniest. (Cheers.)
'he ilehme was adjourned accordingly.
PASSENGERS' ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
On the motion that the house go into co.nroittee on this
lelSir 9. CLERK complained of • chime in the bill which
pavented emigrant ships carrying a life-boat, which "team-
meek were compelled to carry by an set of lest session.
• M. GI B ;ON was understood to my, that it was in-
tended to prevent the antraly Ma ship, with a great nom-
km of posengent, carrying fewer brute than vemsls of the
mime toumag- were accustomed to mrry.
After a few words from Sir R. I:0m, expressive of his
theirs that emigrant ships should be amply supplied with
teak
Or. BROTH RRTON objected to going into committee at
that hoer on ri hill which would take same time.
Mr. HAWES hoped they would he allowed to proceed, as
It was an important bill, whisk it was desirable should peas
at on early period.
TM bowie then went into committee.
lard G. SENTINCK moved an amendenewit upon the
fist char, the effect of which was to tire a mace of kurteen
superficial feet to each Ka:weenier, and to provide in each
haa:diway on board all esatehip protection ladders, fitted
with sliding top and side
Or. B. HAWKS said that to insist on having 14 'opera-
/MI feet for each =.4wlould be to IMNI,It a cheek on the
five emerge of em and on that ground he thought the
popped objectionable.t wax the intention of the govern-
ment in the next session to introdesee a Consolidated no-
mmen' Bill.
The amendments were then withdrawn.
The bill then passed through committee, some clauses
being left for conieration on the bringing up of the report.
The house thee adjourned at 2 o'clock.