The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-23 00:00:00

carried out by an order in council. To that, he (Mr. liars
man) hal objectel, because the partis coneerred would
know nothing of the provisions of the plan ell it was Rs-
netted. The noble lord, admitting the objection, gave set
ataarance that the parties should have on opportunity of
arming their objections as (tidy as if an act of parliament
had been 'night. lie had communicated this afuorinee to
the parties. Yoater.h.y he had rcceivel from the uoole lord
a communication. informing
him Out a ststemeut had been
drawn up, dual was yesterday to be submitted to the ccclesi-
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i,stical commiseioners, and, alter receiving thnir approval and
that of her fdejesty iu COUnCil, woe gazette& 'tut the patties
had no opportunity of making any objecti fn. lle had now
to ask whether the noble lord would allow to the panes
locally interested lull time to consider the scheme, to state
toeir objections, and, if these appeared wit founded, to
appeal to parliament, baton tho scheme was r ',titled by the
Queen in council.
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Lord J. RUSSELL said he remembered undertaking to
inform the hen. gentlemen of the substance of any proposed
scheme of the ecclesiastical commis dooms before that scheme
was finally adopted ; but he certainly did not remember say-
ing that there would be the same power of correcting and
altering that scheme as there would be if it were brought
before parliament. Toe hon. gentleman had correctly stated
that he (L ad J. Russell) had informed him yesterday that a
scheme would be brought before the ecclesiastical commis-
tialltill for making ; rovision for the cure of snits in the
pariah of Bishopweartnouth. Ile bad ccnveytil that
information to the hon. gentleman as soon as he had ts-
eeivrd it from the secrete?. of the commissioners. With
respect to the boo. gentleman's questioa be would not outer-
take to say wh A the Ecclesiastical Commissioners might
think fit to do wi .h respect to this scheme. lie dill not
know whether anything had passed on the subject pan-
day. if so, it would probably reedy,: their seat some time
keit week.

SCOTCH BILLS.
Mr. lIUME complained of a Scotch bill, to which the
people had great objrction, being proceeded with between
one and tw., o'clock in the morning at the prttitus
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Sir G. GREY said it was at the rtqu, s: of aim: it all the
Saqtch mtmocra present that the bill had paned through
committee, with the understandii g tha ample time sLould
be allowed before the third reading.

MEASURES FOR IRELAND.
Sir H. W. BARRON 'eked it the gee( riauent meant to
introduce mi.; session a Health of Towns Dill for Inland,
dr a tall for estahlishiag & registration of hinny, deaths, and
marriages.
Sir W. SWIERVILLE was understood to say that the
Bret wu under thee consideration of the government. Hia
auawer as to the fervid measure was inaudible.
DUCHY OF CORNWALL.
In answer to Mr. THAILAWNY,
The Earl of LINCOLN said the county of l) von had
been expreatly exempted from the provisions of the bill ha
had introduced relating to the duchy of Cornwall; and this
had been done at the request of several gentlemen connected
with the couuty. There wu no disputation on the part of
the council of the duchy to re-apes the question, and it
would not be done. unless on an unanimou, application from
the couuty.

TRANSPORTATION FOR TREASON BILL.

In answer to Mr. Aosoey,
Sir G. GREY said that if this bill did not pass firugh a
stage that evening, he should propose that the lame sat et
12 o'clock next day, and proceed with it.
BOMBARDMENT OF ROME BY THE FRENCH.
Mr. moMIS LICK said he wished to put a (pester cee this
subject, with a view to get from the nobte lord tee *mu-
tiny for Foreign Affairs en expression of cpini.n which,
under tho pecoliar circumstances of the Ode, woed, 11;
thought, be of infiuite service to the interests of mankind,
(Hear, hear.) The situaticn of this couutiy wee such that,
Iron time to time, god of necessity, its inter:crence was
sought by various counnies ; it a poser was such that it wee
constancy appealed to to be the med.ator and arbitrator be.
tenon contending powers. More remarkable almost Mammy
of these applications was the one to ontee. tue papers he held
is his bane related. Unfottunatel; err the inteinne of Europe
ant of Rome, disputes ocean ed between the Pope and his
subjects. With those disputes we had no concern, except as
they led to one result, and thereof.) induced u,her nations to
take part in the concerns of Rime. Emily its this year the
Pope unfortunately thought it wise to Lave his dominions,
and take reatoe its Gaeta. Thereupon application Seal wade
to foreign natant s, by the Pope hie self, in veer to solicit
their interterenc.. Amouget the foreign noions applict L.l
was England; and the mode in which Engiuud haft been
applied to was the remarkable circumstance oar the presest
mention. A letter, which every one had seen in the pipers,
from the munatcr of the Kino of the Two S ha. sees
addn teed to the noble lord (Palm..estou) req.ostico, him to
act as a party its a negotiation fee the nooration—it sa
it could be—of the Pope to lis authority in .tame.
'.here were too meda of effacing that—oae ~y negotiation,
and the other by arms. The mode lord after that replied
in the terms cf the letter which ht hold in his bend, ex•
praising his view of that intente..tion. The nob.e lord
said th it as the Pope dii r.ot make an spoliation to her
Majesty's gore remelt , they could 'tea no mower to HIM
Castelcicola on the matter. Thereupon t.. nohle hod was
applied to, throoeh Cardinal r to tike part
in that negotiation. The *tower of the foible lord wu
not given, but he inferred what that answer man
have been from other parts of the conespendscee.
The noble lord, he conjectured, dectined to take any part
with the catholie powers in the negotiation which was about
to cake place. Now the object of teat nagotiieit.n was to re-
store the Pope as an ecelesuatical as weo as e ail authority.
Toe complaint mode by Cardinal Ansoseili, as writ as by the
Pope himself, nos that tl,e pp .p e of Route thought tit to
oppose the ecclesiastical and tem erel power at the fops
being united. end therefore the loom tolled on the catholic
powers of Europe to reinstate aria is rope and u
a civil prince, and England was call el en to give her
oil and assistat cc to tart object. Whilst this negotiation
was going en France interrered, and isterfetel, not
only by way sat negotiation, as the noble lord reeommtuded,
but by arms. Now, as the position of Eugland was one of
so zonetrkabet striking a character, she stool so high, the
atniusphei ein which site moved was so ureic, that r julp
inent was undisturbed by matters of any sort ; and therefore
her opinion g Ong forth to the world, tbrough the monster
of the crown, must have, in the eLes of foreign cottons,
obtain front toe noble lord on the potent wool on was, his
au imoortant influence. (Hear) What he denied then to
oinked, unequivocal, pl tin, and slang disopprobatioe, of the
interference on the part of France with the civil concerns of
another people—a people wholly unaffending as regarded
the natiuu—(near, hear)—who ought to be left just as meth
liberty to determine on the mole of government they desired
'as the nation of France. (Hear, hear.) Aud he could not
avoid on such an ()cession c xpreisitig his surprise., and
in that surprise he included di approbation, which be
sinotrely believed to ho pertkipated in on all side! of
the house— (ohetn).— at the extraordinary proccedmp
ad-opted by France on this occasion. (Hear, hurl
lie wanted England not to participate in that
even by her Clues. (Hear, hear.) He did not writ
the noble lord to say that England did not intertere with
arms, and that if others had, she had nothing to do with
it. That was not the language England ought to hold on
such an otou.i.ou. Tee piaiu question which he desired to
ask him was this, whethar he had already, by any papers
which were not in their hands explained definitely to the
' government of Freres that the transactions now going 06
before the walls of Rome did not flint favour with the people
or government of England, but were, in the opinion of her
Majesty's' government, worthy of the eeverest reprobation.
(lieu, ben) Let them recollect what it was that was now
going on. The City of Rome was about being bombarded
oy the French troops, and let them n member that they
cannot throw a shell into that city without destroying some
beautiful relic of ancient or modern art. (Ge-
neral cheering.) Oa that ground alone he asked
the noble lord to employ that moral influence
of which he spoke in these papers, to preserve that immense
assemblage and those precious treasures of art which were
now contained in the city of Rune. (Hear, hear.) But he
asked it also for the sake of the principle involved in this
outrageous attack of France on all the great principles on
which her own government wee founded. (Loud cheers.)
He did nut want war, but he wanted England to exercise
the mighty ioflueneo she possessed on this occasion in the
interest of humanity, of art, and of civilisation. (Cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON said ho was sure the house would
feel the delicacy of the position of the minister of this country
who is called on to pronounce a judomeat upon the conduct
of the governments of foreign countries. (Hear, hear.) It
is not the business of the minister of the crown, standing in
that house, to become the defender or the judge of the
proceedings of foreign governments in matters respecting
Welch the British government had declined altogether to be
a party. (Hear.) But he had no hesitation in stating that
her Majesty's government had witness- d with deep regret
the cir.umstance to which the hon. and learned geetletesa
alluded. (Hear, hear.) More than that, to the present
state of things, the house would perhaps excuse him from
stating. (Hear.) Revolutions and great changes had taken
place in many countties of Europe, but it was not their duty
to convert themselves into the judges or censurers of what
had taken place in these countries. They were no parties
to the transaction to which the hon. and learned peutlerain
referred, and he would see by the peps rs that they
were from the outset adverse to any armed intervention
by any foreign power in the internal affairs of Roo.e. M
they declined to be parties to the negotiations at Gseta, they
could not speak with an certainty or knowledge of the
course of these negotiationsy , and therefore, they were not
in
a condi ion to state what were the whole of the circum-
stances which led tbe French government to adopt what he
must consider to be a most unfortunate course of proceed-
ings. (Cheers.)
Mr. lIUME was glad that the government was no party
to these atrocious proceedings. (H.or, hear.) He wished to
know from the noble lord, whether he would produce the
despatch which set forth the reasons fur their interferecce.
If they knew what the French government intimated in the
first insten, they would be the better able to judge how far
the influence of the government had been wisely exercised
in preventing this unfortunate occurrence.
Lord PALMERSTON said that the despatch in question
was rota despot-1h to the Britioh government, but a despatch
to the French minister in this country, of which a copy had
been seat to her lisje•ty's government. As the French etcr.
vernment had not expressed any objection to its being laid
before the house, he would not decline to do so.
Mr. HUME asked whether this government, having ac-
knowledged the government of France as a de facto Wm'
meut, had refused to recognise the government de facto at
Rome?
Lord PALMERSTON said that this country had not se-
knowlelged the French government until it had obtained a
firm, a positive, definite, and settled existence. He seed net
ssy that the government at Borne was net in that condi-
tion. (Rear, Leer.)