The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-13 00:00:00

wadentoad ha belied that the per bad a
salwaity of &Wades. Arid Vile wa_, Whir should have the eliess &km
11^111 would net only hear the bearteste"
hall weallske • Seems to soder to them le
Ikelb gIS-bad been Tbe rend
I.l2oe:rig g
fahoto nxtesp4reglf
elljerwedd.
OHO he Mimed wail and eatl/4
ilk tab ekshislorod, end eke 'elms OM cam
111111 me et If veiled se a pane it would
memo. haw and the asappnent of the
MarIIATTAM said that be was {alb to king forward
em whisk wait slow Oat the- fell members were
Oen to Mg : hey al net want meney—(beer, hear)—
dewy men de MONA it. (Hear, Item) He was
ems Oat would eatiskatert to Basil& membess. (Hem)
Thew were his premise,. hut ft mashed kr them so sane-
UM( lbe plan by whisk he would weldsa um of army
ihr Me Mkt of the &t am el the people of Ireland.
Ms ~p to devote the loft sad mown rents el Ireland
Ibr 1111fnepee. He amid ware hos. gentlemen that the
uscssw logs oinaablo,ne
_ad& be seen In the bah-beeps
of
hr. Lambe, of DROOL His object was that this
samay dwell be left in behind. liftlbhunia objected to ,
hie mum befog applied le earn Irish &strew Agreed.
but **him the quit and Min rums is Ireland. Bat,
espendeatly of ibis, than were the mak et the great fib-
sestets, which were drawn Mesa his ISolltry and spent is
this. He had a list of them+ nibs maid give their name.
There won the Helmet Devemaire and the Duke of Book-
isgbans. He. to he sem was mid mt. is property
brought 400,1)001. Mr. White. knurly a member- of that
home, bought three towahals Mir 25,0001. He knew that
they WWI afterwards set up Mar sale, and sold for
14,6001. The atinclief of heisted arose fteat the
absentees. They might be emellent mon, bat they
were bed !indicates they might bi very gooduar
men, but they were duo t
ail
proprietors. ( .)
Then there wore the Marquis of Martha and the a
Bedford. The Duke et Balked was a mey peed ma. bat
he had a miserable Irish temotry. Well, there was the
Marquis of Cesymbam, who said that he had not the atone
of Jai:coring his property. Where were all his awns
spent In this emortry. There were the Marquis of Lem.
downs, the Marquis of AneLeiree, the Meai ed NINO.
sad the Marquis of B. TM tenantry etn the letter wets
is a weighed eriaditim ; the property was pies bale--tot a
tree wareely to be eses es y part et -it Thet SIM
the Mengele et Eli and sa
Earl Fitswillisee, a most
astaiikeitmen. Bat he knew kr • het that there was aot a
sable Isms= hid ewe Mese and Bahama (A of whisk
to the *Mk hid) that was set levelled with Ike
Thensk thMeeA were Leah Bram,
. Witlalbeam* Haile. CilfgaZa=
Aries, Stafford, red, Templeton, Ca Wyndham.
Sidney
and Mr y Hobart All of these might be melba
beileidemis, bat they resided eat of the country; and my
perms who Maw the value at a reddest patty could from
this eireametanee aeseetat Mfr the inisetlrof Ireland. Mr.
Greville, Mr. Lane Fez, and Mr. Orme Gore had also
large properties in beheld. Let a tax be tutored as these
absentee eml lienthey might keep their 50,0001. Bat it was
said that limy always semen lo thatleam ter mosey, awl that
this wombat the Wonkyd emether min w paalle. He
did net mimenM Oh -koelliag, idler end steasmieg lam
gasp. Me already minlissed me toed, tad be maid now
wades smother. He wenid go bask to the petition of
when the peer catholic@ were doped akar waft 1.0,0001.
to sing Clarks. Bat that was net all. In lithe Irish
perlismat gave 20,0001. to sapped 20,11100 aseassa, whisk
11111111 Mr the pretinotion of Wieland. That was ant
Will the late Earl Fitswilliern was sent to band the
eatleolor wen mashed their rights U they paid NONNI
The money was paid, bat the moment it ram_ pea
the awed was broken. The letters of the Iselof
MOO and Lord Pitswilliansacooovoeid, that.
ne Here there wart:
12141.14 t="Lliadsabasen gives 'to UM entity by the
Millmbed. He would take the atriums rents draws
ielendi at 3,000,0001., though he believed it was mem
M bar maser. This deals exam d fur the lest lily yome,
whisk mode a total of 150,000,0001. He defied the AIM
enthmelleine to say that these flames were mew
An Ma. member het asked low hag the 60,0001 wadi
last? Why it would last se Wm (Laughter.) Whom a
shiaing was toilmand wily IL west se bed the per lam
the reartaing 104. beia. paid to saws. It wee dadrabk
that hon. sesembses Meridd knew how their wag had been
applied. Such impala faith had they placed in Irish
Mnesty, that they lei ammlly mode to Mrtra:itszwe of their own maw. (Laughter.) The meet
i pear
_homes Wen be bells • east varying keit
8,00111.1, IWO Weald hem members believe that thek
year bed hem m Mad and game= as to give Irish paupers
sweet sad mignonette in the: gardens mmoomed with
the ? (rLmoghter.) So ill emaknoted, too, was
them that his ease would almost penetrate
them. teas implaaation of this was that a
Map of non who dew eametidag Most the wants of the
asneeey bed been nopemeded by Mom who were quite m-
ilked We OM perimme of their duties. As :married the
inks mßli whirl he himself was connected, the Celtiridge
alas, Ms *Of bee. Mind (Sir W. Elowirrills) had is
marked that the ma Mt mot exceeded 21r. 101. in the
;pound. But he kept the anineriptione made by the resi-
dent ;hairy. Them is Mt, divided the pear into
four clashs ; they to them at their houses; they thee got
rid of the unarming eliker ,• and the only ens ET üby
the merriment Wiliam 201 ,he (Mr.Grattan pay
O right hem that amount, if he va
mow thanks. the mem which was beteg pursued
moused them, Oa 106 people would be made republicans
Ind espielbele. "N pa- give m treedom (said the hon.
member MO mat =ghee's), we will support yen;
if you gin ie air and slavery, we will curse
end bate you, mad pi rid of you as seas as
we ma." Did boa. atomise think they could moue the
aillielsee of the Irish people while they heated them with
themmieembh doles stmesey ? If they would not send
boob Ishh pegelftseedet the. lax absenteeism. The Ma.
muds was( the following amen meat

net the soliesleen of =eke liCireland be benieketh directed and
de la Ware pay isle the can of Vioc:fresserer in Dahlia, the
meant of all wows end ask rests; and that the emit be septic.
prided is dryad of dieleasod poor law naked, la that country.
The CHAIRMAN apprehended that this motion could
not be entertained. (Hear, hear. It was a proposal with
nuts it w
regard to crown and quit as inoompateat, there-
' fore, for the committee to with it then.
Mr. GRATTAN said her Majesty's name did not appear.
The CHAIRMAN repeated, that by the terse of the
motion, the Isom member proposed to deal with the revenues
of the crows, and that that mild not be dose without the
unseat of the crown, sissified in the ordinary nuaner.
The ameadeagat was the, whhdiseen.
Kr. 0. GORE said he looked upon the speech which bad
just been made as many* an seensatioa against every
absentee. Although he melded in Ragland he mas proud
M acknowledge his menezion with Ireland, and to
remember that he awe had the honour of representing an
Irish county; he also his proud at the recollection, that not
mach more than two years ago his tenantry in Ireland assem-
bled sad voted him cue of the handsomest memorials of
Beatitude that had ever emanated from say assailer body,
for his kindness to them and his attention to their wants.
(Cheer) Under those circumstances he felt perfectly at
ease with regard to the arraignment of the hon. member.
in a "rent deal which had fallen from him, he
rh id:Lacs? in all that he had said with regard to ab-
shish Although an absentee laneUerd might not speed so
mrmh =hey in the country as he would If he re-
aided h Mill, if he performed his duty to his
Ismatry, and task ears of the public institutions of the
'gantry, he maid hardly be Impacted to do mom (Hear.
leer.) No ass add reside in is or seven different, &sea
at hoe. It pew bb (Mr. 0. Oree's) Arm 'moieties that
Ireland led always_ lees shamefully ill.treatod by all the
governments of tkie =6eisnapecially in having been
robbed of her over and over again
Need he go latedatZiel (.' No;'sad laughter.) Ireland
was nos unolueland ems at the present day. 60,0001. I
Why al the gay se California would not pins her
la taste proper whim. (Laughter.) He was not
opposed to die mithelee of a poor law • bot he wanted le see
one Weed take esnatry, act one whisk was a bear on
Idimme. He knell appose this vele of SAND. on peineiple.
Mr. STAFFORD aid, the year is whisk we ware sow
onlined wauld be bisehably marked by greet restalls, kr
geed or kr or% is the history of Inked • and
es padialliatt so pe
es et
in tgis=ael, stakVelialsem",
is the medal erases et the pad lidso midst
whisk that Woad I had lakrawl, it was spalifyieg to him
M "Ahem on this eemaliet a Rem of Clammum far more
Apnea than say premillog Reese of Oemmeas bed ever
hem, to dinar the amid evils of Ireland at aR ems% in no
'saurian or pum Naha (Rear bear.) Sarommeed bad
some ihrward and ailed sir semi whelk 11111 bra skim Otis
the
bows bad bra eordisbli wholly to the stated
uses. The Obereslisr of ,
ee bawd,
that Me asked wee ls
fret 714:6"l tbe
sem se
eeries, hat be bed set Wormed the
banes what wee to he the auber or entomb of the
I. swim Thh was a paha soot emeatiel
hems poilemest
hear)—be ameba* hoped the
permit him M eSir to Ibir
late
sone Immowould
bo
had drawn up, hem the mom" se late year hit beam
parbammt, as arbklabig the ihessial position of Irelemi to-
wards Ores Sabi at this time. From a papa poutintad
Is 1647, "bowing the tandem levied in EngLnd, and net in
Irelaad, It appeared that the amount of this heaths
was 10 000,81 W a farther sem of about 600,111111
for duties ,levhd is Ireland on a smaller reds than
in Ragland, making this amount, say 11,080,01161.
per maim an Gym of Ireland. Prom another piper gee-
seated In 1848 it appeared that the total mime of OM
MUM ranted is relief of Irish distress was k Nina ROW i
bets 10,000,0001 , and the admires made M the kith pew-
law mime, in addithe, represested the brew won of
1,116,0001., *swards the of WWI' bear ameaut
it was owed that a sem "MS 11111/Alliny made by the
althea It wee staler time dessmateness that the parent
mart of 110,0N1., brig &sled of a mita, wee regasited.
la Ike abuses clew bikemilita kam Ike peetrammit as
to what farther eieele sewn be creels. he MI esietweered
hem the eileseleheethebeerrie mho at wee eseeteelea
lenses sullsee. Ihe 111 Woe le obese Meehan especial
bed beat made, be hod Om bad beau fa
ADA Me, 797,061 mesas selatifsp maser and taker
relief, and ht OIL 414000 peens velehlrg maim valet
He knied It telheatioa that et the this rho of preeleisee,
Itte wadi earl Seel to
sub et these pores tee dew
Eget rar, as that be lert
urly Num Ile WaC
ef thesedieleapiee =rev. lereld=it
eteee—eat he hutted the unemplisa was hr tee leessialie
a ear—abst **number sir dope =lam pewee lad fret
lesesiell rdy dem weld am be 41080
sons to MIN: wergilarrit mild kr mak of mem
te be ammul be sealed lee
the lewd pavpws diabi=yeat the sea of

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L —l—be -14111111;i aids a 4r.a be • ,
the_ rued die of the mime behirps t' -- an at
Mlle Madam et the Mks at page 10, i wee
alai Mahe areallehle sate was 118,4111. ~ bat he t
ira
sed disabled the prepay et demeans apothem stem.
lb dr hem it histailtdse bad ao holmffen in• ampressing
tie emisillea that if the available rate redbed mead the
128,811. of debt la these Wed it maid be pits es amia
sehereald inane, bod)Upamtbe whets, he was=
meted that belt a teach adds would be
.16
middle to tabs the is them 21 Mims gad la.,
1860. (Hear, hem.) It was elated that is 10 or 11 ethers
et the 130 liaise there was an expectation that, by great
easations, Moos liseasiel difileallise might be avoided. He
Meld have bees irseilled to have heard from the govern-
ment whisk ad the mem was thus favourably
Magid of. (Hear, beer.) He tiered much that not a
hire( them sapped esseptioaal asses would have to be
added, is • very few weeks at all mate, to the 21, which were
shed to be overwhelmed with difficulties. He would ask
the deliberate j&dgeemit d the hose as to what, even if the
lea dams 60,0001. were granted, meld be the remelt ot their
idgrality ? These who had exuded the Med-
Lome Wheats fir Ist yam, and the returns moved for
by the boa. mamba fur Bolton, knew that
meld emed the eastades with which all the sconlithia
bees be i, or rather asst kept. In Maths to the apssiftere
et the Ned of Wads la liehad, of the Simmea segami-
gismo; in a word, 4 shad to the whole el the fiesedd
swedes between Cheat Belimis and !shad. (Halm
hear.) Of the gamy Mimed spat is this way the gases-
meat madidi admitted this was ao stens
se even hesilig. The peer law esseanie at Inland trit ale
pseud mead , bet, feeds Mare, embsehmia di
pertlealar haled h was posised should be Weide&
The Cbssealloe of the Itaabaqvar, is its very mill sidl
Ligneous seed, bed fairly WO them that dm.
was not aseallbst the aided symptom d retards/
preeprity in the dumbed ; that, ea the Mat=
these were= , sem Sad laid waste, more
lost, min stem ideates eat et
meat Aid wislia Wad, was the
_eslest of aids=
shoe ameba at lids go maid penes d the pew ? Odd-
Mita be the wedge et Chemeagia was immegies la the
shamed eat. Let him set duds the esadithe
et ids edevatka did set Nally the that eves
WIMP the 08,00011. graded,- de of the district
woad he ieisiuly worm be Pabsearr, 1860, than it
was mew ? Everyone awaked with the subject,
ham that there was in lid dietrics the strongest
didedimatioa to sew geed; wheat. There were
thessads upon theaseals of serge !yin waste ia Ire-
led heat mare desetties by the cattier Monts. How
week small, fir the emirs et that land to find the means
of isles organdy it ? It these foots could be denied,
let NM bd. gamine stand cep in his place and do so. The
lIMMOS viol met Ira for the deliberations of a comaittee.
Hew laded mid the committee deliberate, when
every member st It knew that each day's delibera-
tes' jespardieed the harvest of 1849 ? The enestive
was in penman of these facts, sad led the pews et
executing the law. There woe salsas powst hem
allies the parliament together for mem d
if these which were in force were ad
nA711:1o:sle mesas t alone rested eer.
Merge ofdittz the country and the bemeriste=
present With respell to the
of the pose- law esessabsionem, he found their sepses ee
tabs and their isformation so defective, that he could piste
no Manse is the pipers on the table. There was an mar
of 10,000 paupers in Balling Union in the piper which he
held in his dad. He found another Make of 100 both
lags in the sem salon. And yet, upon the faith of these
reports sad of the Marne contained in them, gags et whisk
the house had sot had time fairly to =Mae, the govern.
meat had asked the home to consent te the present grant;
propo ing in aleillfral for remedying the state of things in
nI land, sad giving as limits to the Meat of amistanee
fa the same way which might hereafter be necessary.
TM the house was placed be the nailing of
bang compiled, by its refusal, to doom to death
the people of Ireland, or else to take the
ment's w sad urn the faith of it to grant 60,0001. r 'll2
order to feed 414,000 paupers. The right hos. baronet, the
mends for Ripon, cad stated in his pies that this must be
the last grant of money for mush a me se. Well then, the
50,0001. meld last ox weeks for the salateams of the
numbers he had stated. Where was thegeverameat prepared
to No ? The tide et Mitres was Mei, mad thopreseet state
of ma the Mere males d Krisdez.
He duped he saws the Whawkag isasollmot :
Thee alhe spoke arab amilitiss theseddilles to mama
In a mem of seem tar Se Ebel deb Aster bola Is have boa
easembnisil with as salmis et the prehable amesalt emwdesd he
that wespests That the eablend spollealen ot one ell away,
Ides( by Os woad unties et lbe wintry, to be reed den ems
la Imbed, is disc la ptiest^_ solnet is pried" sea lomat
tab masa le the =Waft beaten tbeessives, se taws( to ille.
Ong all spilt et segroilinse. Mot k is the duty other May's
b istrainn vi beet delay mossnres which way aerate
ft. eV; Ile
I nesswity et agoiybg to perleassat tor the Midi local
distress fa Ward
The meadasent having been put from the choir.
Lord J. RUSSELL rose and said—Sir, I manly ea
relieved by the statement made by the boa. amber Ma
has just cm down, that it is not his intention Merge the
grant of 60,0001. for the immediate relief of the ibis= so
sting in eons parts of Ireland. I own I shoal have semi
aced the visiting on the distressed unions is that country,
and on their inhabitants, who are without the mesas of sags
port, that censure which the has. member feels ought to be
pored upon the government, would, in the first place, be
unjust, and in the second would be visiting on an molted-
lag, • starving, and a miserable people, faults which, it they
deserve censure, ought to be censured as the faults of thole
who occupy the position of the government of this country.
I am glad to find that the hon. member, instead of opposing
the grant, has thought proper to move a series of resolutions
reflecting on the conduct of the government. But, sir, I cannot
but think the hon. gentleman has Mee • course which
cannot be defended or justified by anything which has se-
cured daring the warn of the present discussions. The
boa. pattern= says in his first resolution: " That, in the
wisdom MUM committee, the application to parliament fora
great of meaty for the relief of this distress ought to have
beta accompanied with an estimate of the probable amount
required for that purpose." Now I say, in the first pleas,
that this is what has never been done by any previous go-
vernment wader similar circumstances to the presoak.
The Cdarle permed is the obvious and asesseary
oae. It is impossible to say with regard to portion-
lar districts of the omatry how such may be spired
until you have the ease Wore you, and know the argosy
at the moment. Now with respect to the mien of Banda :
the guardians who are there state that it might be
to collect a further rats, but they think that the
of that further rats immediately would destroy the mane
of the farmer. still remaining and the presgosto to be sad
Sported from the harvest. They therehre add" with a
Mw to allow the huta,try of tke oossegy le have some
thanes of maintalaing the people of the osantly, that ad-
vances should be made in the interim, and as new rate be
struck till May; and, assay to their seinimog llthat
period there well be the means of cased; it die 1
for the destitute poor of that union. (Hear, bra.) Her,
would It to wise in us to say that in May we Mopped
there will be no such means, and, therefore.
to vote the nseemvy relief for the whole
without knowing what tiu case may be ? (Hear, der.)il
apprehend nor; and I conceive, *adore, both according Is
precedent and to obvious and practical reason as concise
this matter, that we have taken the course which we were
justified in taking, and that we should have beta liable to
moue, if, instead of that course, we bad dotedthe ese
whisk the has ragman regigameeds. (Ear, beer.)
Ad yet a Me of mpaem fir dist egmfinst d gess ams the
first part Ode boa. demaa's rassintles. The seat pert
°lbis tesolation is, " That the coatinual applicades dims
of massy raised by the general taxation of the washy te the
slid et distress in Ireland, is vinous in pr4ipis,=let
prialiss, and impolitic with respect to the
demegives, as tending to destroy all spirit eI agifoglienes."
Why, I Wsk dr, that that is nothing more the. true.
(Cheers.) I entirely agree with the spirit et that rem-
lotion. Nothing can be worse then the coatinsal
grants of gamey for this purpose. Bat, sir, the ho-
sandhi gentleman goes ea to as, that " it is the duty
of her Majesty's goverment to intreanee without daisy,
measures which may obviate the future aessi:eity of cep Int
to parliament for the relief el load Metres is
Now, air, upon this MOM I am obliged both to refer its
whathas bens done and to what it is proposed to do. With
regard to what has bees as" let us not omit that which is
the extraordir airy feature Odds cese—that which makes ft as
far as the peseat ends his seas, eztroordinary is the his-
tory of de bat yet Isiah Ise bed misty masked
is the speeds olds im. goadsgesa. He Ms saga et de
Maus d bead ee the sassy end naval abbe@ at
that osustry. New the het, fault apposhend it, is,
that there 100 boon, by the al wises yes
please—l say see sew by the fiat of the laws or of the pew
=t thus sees beta en Lamm pop& meet= up
in parts et Indeed, and more is saps
wag the see wore en-weed be ma,
leggii—g hd, not
_by the wages ebbed, ail'
e yds& as hams; bat fad by mesas of mall probe
of ireemd, es which potatoes wore grown indlident ibr id
ingesedlate mate et themselves and their Mateo Time Ye
happened airing the last few yeas a gaseamiga et selmid
dam, awaspleg away that bed see whisk the people
mg alma* dam, bat seder aphis thstatiree
means of support gad empleemed Vidd mit lane bogs
extended tO • ve dime be Mar is. atkm aid
want and him ry
real
sa tams =1 re emenitmed. Timed,*
been then, sir maidadee of pospiewho have beta altogether
without employ: eat sad widest toad. Now, we sea
imagine la a hem civilised state of the wadi that it any gash
failure of food had taken glees, a allies, or two or
this minim of pusses wadi have been swept away,
and afterwards that another maid have tad
their plass, and a mew WU maid have sumendeg to
that which had gme beim— lid amiss Otis
uns of Muds is Me its souses be a with we
s se wady esemeeld, teed widest eat a dad to
Zrafaisrame
eissak he resift maid has Ma same silk
thishasamay *i dm. imseaddeat with hasp of
atastry, MUls will add, shoddy ad moldy to the
adds demi dellisetimilsad the wad. (Rear hie.)
Well ON, bite a 180 we ark islosisibiff aft in
osier to befr *IN MAO Am- In dO lug ibbellfed of
this Waft Old eadftLidasi Itiall rade hr
That.
end ' doe Tit milt
poor-law cam
rah syglisd with
.
uses d the Brad Aigniatial lest put many

ktan to the tiajoysteat of amide more enteedeif than
tidy add ear hive pedaled in their original tion.
Mem, beer.) Ido not now, sir, enter inns qu
eilislier lie messy has been rightly spat, fate wb it
boobies upended in as unprofitable or imprudent
Wail Kin the sand possible manner. All that I
bas • small part of the question. The real gadded was
wilier or so It was adviabb to keep as easy people
der, rree • • ble. (Hear, hear.) That dese t I think whom did
and that having bees aedesprd I think lire as
•tvis reason to be proud. Well then, sir, I
eidit Mat tier theme emetic= Hyde dtoold and that yea
have en tie *Ma thing to repeat, that you have nothing to
de bet to spend millions every ydr in order to keep the des-
titute pest, whom me idled a idle," but who may more
be milled otinel=el"(bear, hear)—l do ed-
tlr
that wedt be a result mid a
nen area petegen; but, la Seem place, let it be noel-
kind Ike sisal* hour enseated to the gran el he-
nna* lan* if hid down as a role he be
—Milt retie lid in future the pointy ef
WWI sheeM be maids reneedbla for the poveity-et he.
had. (Hear, bear.) Now, let as consider bow musk wee
implied ha that. We hear mach said of abeestane—assi if
the Weida of landlords. There are, as the ker. gentleman
sallnet new, both good and bad Lea r& I bane that
there see nosy good landlords in Ireland wises conduit is
deserelep every approbation, and when, ezirtions ddatot
then, pwAyean entitle them to the gradate of their 001111027.
But, with mod to the bad leallads.grevleus to the in
trottectios el de poor law, be did serdiag bat receive the
lest el his sebum—•N a Sage irwhiese, see a fame-
. bbellira IMO Mad blsmesne—see *sheen was amid
sad destitute received so
-Nate
was the el the bed
Bet he newt be so indifferent now. Whether
be sleeve kites is Inked or not whether Its einem te
111111 11
son olio . levies it
ire the se
wadesntortiz:l
lamt •
deneer4Mad iv these poce peens when Ids en
dem bes te ex ea his estates, let et dray
that Right have bees regardless. (Hear, hear.)
Well, thineei ion paned for Inland a large and extended
poor law. what hes that peer law done in the past year is-
war ds the eidenee ardstdeng the poor? Why, durialh:
past year, ne lendsa 1,700,0001. has been collected in
ter trieputcistessinntiaingthe infirm and able bodied poor,
and I ant to say that according to calculations which
I have Nees, samba of able bedied poor supported by
the poor rats is by so manses great as that whisk any one
would have anticipated from the former accounts of the
poor law easmissica of inquiry, and from statistical dew-
mats of authenticity. I am told that of that 1,700,0801.
not above 300,0001. can be considered se having Una an-
tribstted to the out door relief of the obis bodied peer.
Such is the calculation made by one of the causidessers
of the poor. (Cheers.) Then yea have advanced this step,
that with regard to the support of the poor in Ireland,
a very great pieportion at least of the maw
is now obtained from the rates collected in Inland, end oar
of the property in Ireland. /Hear, hear.) Take the ei-
vaneas made lest year by the British Association and by the
government, and you will find that so far from being the
greater part given for the support of destitution, they do not
amount to snow one-fifth or one sixth of the whole Mount
given for that purpose, so that the remaining four-fifths or
tive-sixtbs were contributed by the. property of Ireland.
(Hear, hear.) If that is the result, sir, we at least see with
respect to the relief of the poor that Ireland has greatly con-
tributed, and I thick that that is • reason why this house
should be more ready than it otherwise would have been—
more ready than it should have been in 1822
and 1846, although at that time you preyed you-
mate es most ready to come to the assistance et the destitute
Ivor in Ireland—to come forward to relieve the miring Cie.
tres.. But sot only is that the case. There is another pleas.
ing einsmstance to be isonsidered. The number of unions
to whisk large contributions were made by the British Also-
elation and the sot, is very few. Oat of 130 unions
in Ireland, not above 21 received that support. Here again
you see that you are bringing the matter more within com-
pass, and that so far from the evil becoming worse you are
uonfining it within a narrow district, and that distinct one
almost entirely marked by the features which I have men-
tioned, via., that the people live not by wages, not by
employment, but epos potatoes, with the sea-weed to
which I have before referred as mature. (Hear, hear.)
Then, Sir, is there no hope lint there may be some remedy?
The hon. gentleman told us that there was no hope of any
improvement or of any remedy with regard to the distressed
unions. I hold in my hand a report of the Poor law Com-
missionen, representing the very distressed state of many
unions, dated the 11th Dec., 1848. In that report it is said,
tt In several anions the out-door relief is far less in este nt
than films in the corresponding period of last year. For ex-
ample, in Sanwa union there were, in the week ending
Nov. 27, 1i47, 18,460 relieved, at a cost of 472,0001. In
the week ending Nur. 25,1848, there were 3,022 relieved, at•
cost of 46,0001- In another unier. the "umber receiving maser
relief for the week ending the 20th November, 1847. writ
8,495, at a cost of 289,0001. For the week ending, 28. h Ne-
vem her, 1848, the numbers relieved were 2,129, eta cost of
66,000 i." Therefore, we do see that wits regard to some of
the unions there has been a very considerable diminution of
the pressure upon the poor rate. I say, theref ire, that you
do find that there se a prospect of improvement with r geed
to some of these anions. I come now to the consideration as
to what prospect can be held out to the people ; and here I
must notice a statement, repeated frequently by hon. gen-
tlemen, that ay right hon friend said that the present mad
be the lint of a series of grants. My right hon. friend
ha no recollection of hewn made say such statement.
That he said, and I said al terwards Mat we would not pledge
ourselves that this should be the only grant during the ses-
sion of parliament is perfectiy true, and I say again, I would
not consent, ft the 50,0001. was granted at once, without any
remark or observation to tie my bands, and not to ask tor
more from this house. (Hear, hear.) I think that I should
not be doing my duty in the condition in which I am placed
if I consented so to be fettered in respect ti the conduct of
the government; but, having ssid this, I de admit that there
is one point of -'view in which this question has been
placed in which I think the dawn of those, not who hove
ebjeced to the grant, but who have desired explanation,
and denudes upon thit great Is natural and reasonable; I
mean when they ay here are very considerable taxes im-
posed upon Great Britain, in which Ireland has no part; here
are may parts of Ireland which seem not only to be not
stferisg this extreme distress, but seem as capable as any
part of England, or of Scotland, of bearing their part of the
burden, end therefore the subject ought to be considered
by those who have to aireinister the affairs of the country.
Su, I stated the other night that I should think it my
duty to propose to the committee of the House of
Commons this measure which I thought neeemary
for the amendment of the poor-law, and a provide
for the future annuidatest of the law in such • manner
that I thought would be beneficial to Ireland and least bur-
densome to this country. The hon. gentleman finds fault
with the government because they proposed to appoint a
committee ; he says that they should at or.ce have code for
ward in the month of November with a measure upon the
subject. Why, sir, we thought last year that it wee desk.-
able upon ths important subject to obtain the benefit
of experience, and amongst that experience I find
that one of the many charges with respect to the
poor law is, that it was proposed en this house by gentlemen
who had the conduct of affairs in this country, who
had not suMonnt local knowledge with respect
to Ireland. If that Is the case ; if that is the
accusation ivied us, if we had met parliament, and said
o here is our measure ready prepared; we have not consulted
Irish gentlemen on the subject, bat it is ready prepared, and
we do not men to der it from your representations I" it
would have been said, why not eon,elt those who have local
experience on the itert ? Let them know what your plans
were, ask their advise, awl see whether they would be prac-
ticable. Sir, I think Ma of the amendments to be proposed
is the poor ear deed eestempiat• an encouragement to
those whom would be papered to lay out their apical and to
Improve and enliven de land in those parts where, partly
from the dike him of the crops for the last
three es four sad partly from the burdens which have
bola impesetf Mere is now an unwillingness to enter on
the asapellea if then lands. But, sir, in so doing, I eos-
ins I ahead asa be prepared so realiat nee to Mist division
of the meshy whisk the kon. gentleman seem., in his fre-
quent trelOnsp_to massmplate ;—I can I cannot imagine
last these shame be • Minn with regard to each property
in Iratemd; that each of the small properties in 'reload
should be homed Mee an decant division, without leading
to the alinet MINN don kw di settlement, and thereby doing
that which Jidda her hest a great miefertune in Englaad
bear)—whisk I ehoali be sorry to see intrnand
lac Ireland, vie., kmeding the free circulation of labour
and depriving the labourer of his rght. Besides whirl:
• law of settlement implies a law of removal. If
you fond a ran is Bedfordshire whom parish
wee in Gloacesessehire, yea would remove him; but what
would be the eensesesee if you head men rushing, as
they all do in the early pert el time aeries from Connaught
into other parts of Imbed. Ileglankandiketland, and you
were te mad them heat to these diadem is Connaught
whisk are mad paupedsed, and where they are at present
newly in/rankle of supporting thernalme There could
me be a gnaws enmity to the pone of Ireland than to ea-
tires tae strict law of settlessed against removal in that
may. Thnekre, is prepaid say plan of amendment
amemiten, I shad eidestear, la the first place, to
=ty for the greater ensouregmeent et capital end of
I
• sad, the ant plies I own I do consider
k Jest am in la
same way ere other nked should be made
Archer to awed the sees of exception in Ireland, and that
them Amer MINI INS assn axstseinl as a charge on the
pubis entreadhems. Wheihsr what I shall propose on this
saline Is prodder or set is of goons a question of im-
ams imperlasee, ad epee the admits of that nation
weed made dent whet is the seem we might hereafter
ilikk i< aniremy Mto me Vein. Wow, sir, the
heiriVena inm this • that it is the duty of
her pmennest le is widest deal*meas
ewe mew obviate the Mere anent, d g to
ter the relief of keel distress in Wand.
diadirlaletatempless a mamma w lek would have that
Madenep. Sid den an sear enestiess with reopen to
heel spa *MS mama are =kr
wriirdkey whisk vizi% ialredneed sad apseirlddis I
be te legidatein the nese of the
pseud min. New, sir, loan it to the bon. pallemen
r ewe his ewer einne, sad, if be talks it seseeny to
pi this mode, es a deeisMisa gasket the
is a Achim, I eau only say net I de not thialTilr=
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