The Express.
London, England, 1847-11-24 00:00:00

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met he NOW cm efficiently, whish had never been done
by the essendem. Tha whole system for the trial I
elf ellealliel dances, both at the senses and be-
gin the assident banister, was nnsoond, and the
Miss add se is an inefficient manner. With regard to
the pike, M theegin it a most incompetent body. There was
elm pest bellithery in the manner in which the executive
wee einfinsied le Dublin. It was composed of men who did
not uaderesami Ilse country, end who were idle and gossip-
peeme. Net one of the heeds of departments was an
The noble lord had certainly one Irish-
man in his ashiett, sad the Lord-Lieetsmaat was perhaps
better than any Dilawan. He (Mr. Roche) bad the highest
' opinion of his abilities sad his desire to serve Ireland. When
he lemeAnd_kare the country, he would probably become
MrsiWs Hlbernior." Still it would be b Ater if there
were ass ia the cabinet who understood that country. He
pretested swab &coercion bill, till it was proved that the pre-
sent law was properly carried out. What had ever been done by
a coercion bill? What would be done by an arms bill
except to disarm all respectable persons, and to place
them at the mercy of every vagabond ? The imme-
diate reemegise hr Wed were to feed the starving, to settle
the dads= Mom bombed, and tenants, to re-organise
1110 me=ttie be jut and fear not.
Thu having been put from the chair,
No. E. DRUMMOND (West Surrey), who was very in-
distantly beard, was undernood to say that he agreed with
the bre. gmatlemen who had spoken on the subject of tenant
eight, seed that he was prepared with a bill upon that gust-
dim- is Miland. It would be presumptuous an him to offer
begestlens to her Majesty's minister, for the better govern-
ment el Ireland, but still ho would beg of them to have the
Oswego to put in force their repeated promises of impartial
jambe to Ireland.
Sir G. GREY was anxious to draw the attention of the
hem to the terms of the amendment to the address which
had bon prepaid and which, limited as they were, would
e=atbe bet mita of amidst the grievances of Ireland, of
debate was likely to be so firtile. The amend-
Mint set firth that, " although the present poor-law might
materially alleviate the existingdistreas in some districts in
Ireland, yet, as it would be quite inadequate to de so in
othen, it was absolutely necessary to devise immediate mea-
sures to avert famine and pestilence from a large portion of
ner Majesty's subjects in that country." On the part of the
government, he regretted that he must offer the most de-
cided opposition to the introduction of such en amendment
on the address in answer te ber Msjeety's gracious
speech from the throne. The spirit of this amend-
ment was opposed to the spirit of the observations
of the honourable gentleman who moved it, in which he
expressed a desire (in which every one who wished well to
Ireland, both in that country and in England, would concur)
that a feeling of self-reliance should be excited among the
people, and that they should be led away from that de-
grading system of dependence on extraneous aid which
would be promoted by the adoption of this amendment It
was necessary, in the great calamity which betel Ireland
last year, for the legislature to interpret, with a large and
unsparing hand to save the lives of thousands. But was
there such a perpetual necessity as to make the recurrence
of such measures perpetual? And, because the people
were preserved from a calamity which was pressing them
into the grave last year, and which it was said might again
arise three months hence, were they to be taught not to
depend oa themselves, but on the exertions of others, and
on grants of money drawn from the taxation of the
country? It had been assumed, both in the house and
elsewhere, that the poor law had proved inoperative. It
would, however, be admitted when the information which
was now in course of preparation was laid before the house,
that the poor-law, although in some pine-o( the country it
did not meet the requirements of the aggregate poverty of
Ireland, yet that its remake were sufficient to gratify the ex-
pectations of the parliament that passed it; and the terms in
which it had been spoken of in her Majesty's speech as
materially assisting in the alleviation of distress. The sum
of 300,0001. had been collected by rates before the introduc-
tion of the present poor-law is Ireland, whereas in Septem-
ber of the tundra year, and since the operation of the new
law 73,0001. had been collected, and in October 121,0001., as
compared with 26,0001. in the same month last year, and in
the present month there was no doubt that the collection of
October would be exceeded. Those funds were raised from the
lend in Ireland for the relief of the poor by the exertions of
parties appointed to carry the law into effect, by some who
an that house (as we understood) had expressed a wish to
carry the law into effect, and on the other hand by paid
agents, where those who had been elected for the purpose
bad faded to perform their duty. The hon. gentleman whe
had moved the amendment had alluded to the boards of
• which had been dissolved, assuming that that had
done because they had failed to carry the law into
effect. The whole correspondence on the subject would be
laid before the house, and, therefore, he (Sir G. Grey) would
not enter upon it, but he would say that it would be found
that the poor-law board were justified in the course they
had pursued in placing the local administration of the law
in the hands of those whose obedience they could compel.
He believed that the law was working well in the
gent majority of the unions. There were 130 unions
in Ireland, and he believed that in only twenty-two mid
would be required in addition to the rates to meet the exigen-
cies of the people. But did it follow that an amendment
would be adopted which recommended the passing of mea-
sures to avert famine and pestilence, which, of course, meant
grants of money, without its being known what measures
would be brought forward by the government? A large
stare of provision from last year was still in the hands of the
government, which would be applied to meet any extraneous
disthem; and they would meet every case of emergency, if
possible, without the necessity of the interference of the
house by further gratin of money; although en this point
they would be able to speak more confidently hereafter He
Ousted that, by the exertions of the landed proprietors and
the people themselves, poverty would be relieved and
industry revived, and that reliance would not be placed on
the government, but on their own efforts. (Hear,
hear.) The spirit of the amendment, however, would
lead the people to suppose that the government would
do everything by grants from the treasury—a spirit which
they could not do too much to discourage. (Hear, hear.)
Having thus, disposed of the amendment, he (Sir G.
Grey) must say a few words upon a subject touched
upon by the honourable member for Cork (Mr. Roche)
--namely, the state of crime in Ireland. He (Sir G.
Grey) would not now enter upon those painful details,
which it would be his duty to lay before the house on an
early:day, upon bringing forward the bill (of which he had
to-night given notice) for the prevention of crime in certain
parts of that country. He must, however, say that be could
corroborate the statement of the hon. member for Cork, that
the allegations contained in the public press in respect to
crime did not apply to all parts of Ireland. He joined
with the hon. member in his denial of the assertion that all
the Irish, from the north to the south and from the east
to the west, were aasamains. (Hen, hear.) On the con-
trary, her Majesty's government believed that there were
many parts of Ireland in which life and property were both
M ask and secure as in any other
_portion of the domi-
nions of the crown. (Hear, hear.) With regard to those
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