The Express.
London, England, 1849-06-29 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING, JUNE 28, 1849.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF LOAM—Thu=I)AT, TINE 28.
Th. Earl of 'Menses''s, (Depoty Spetkir) - took a,
soft at o'clock.
_ iiIVATS. BUSINESS.
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'SECOND PMADlNGB.—Kisistoo-upowliull
oars, ; Grippe' Divans (pore eilloge tkohlos) b Mo.
PUBLIC' BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTS/Y.
ertms =it FA= Caumemus (floomsocur) —By the Eel
otOALLOWAY, from the tree CUM of Castle Bogus,
ea the subject of the Wood ol dius Ee tree churches.
Comm,: Couzse.—By Se Earl of SUFFOLK, from
Nabossbury, for the extamism- et the Jetiodictioc of thee
mono.

HOUSE OF OOMMONEI.—TauRsDAY, JUNZ 28.
The firnanninealit the ebair at 4 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
THIRD READINGS. M
Flimwellffi Vest to Hastings
TurapOr• Road; anchester, Sheffield, end .Llneolnehire
Railway (consolidation and amendment of acre) ; Bills.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS C ONSIDERED.,—BIsch-
Sluice Drainage Acts Amendment (amendment of as* ex-
tension of time for completion of works, powers to levy and
raise further rates and monies, to alter cabling rates and
tolls, and for other purposes) Bill.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETITIONS PRESENTED.
Pnoviscrion To Woman Bru..—By Mr. CHRISTO-
PHER, erversrpetirions from places in Lincolnshire; by
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD, from gaols in W arwickshire ; by Mr.
MITCHELL, from liridport, in favour of this bill.
SUPILANNUATION FUND FOR Pooa LAW OFFICII3I.
By Sir H. WILLIAMSON, from Sunderland, in favour of
a measure for this purpose.
Poon Reims. By Lord NUGENT, from Aylesbury,
Nottingham, and other places, in favour of an equalisation
of these rates.
CHARTIST PRISON'S'S. —By Mr. PLOWDEN, from
chartists in the Isle of Wight, praying for the discharge of
political prisoners.
ATIONNSTS' CIRTIPICATE Dray.—By Lord H. VANE,
from a plate in Durham, for the abolition :of this duty.
MISTROPOLITAN POLICII RATS: By Lord D. STUART,
from Marylebone, complaining of the amount of this rata.
Tax Pooß Law.—By Lord ASHLEY (several), from
London and other places, praying for an alteration of the
poor law.
MARRIAGE (Scovuoto) BILL.—By Mr. F. MAULE,
petitions frem various congregations in Scotland, against this
PUBLIC HIALTH (SCOTLAND) BILL.-By Mr. COWAN,
three petitions from Ltinburgh, against this bill.
Bass Hour—By Lord H. VANE, from Darlington
and another place in the county of Durham, for the abolition
of lionises to beer Mures.

a- swa ovTION.--By.Lord STANLEY, front various plass%
for return to the proselyte of proteetioe.
81:1712111IIATIOS FUND 701 FOOl L►W Orman:
By the Dake of NE WCAS ILE, from a anion, nano nst
heard, for the adoption of this prinelplo,

Lord BROUGHAM, referring to a return which had bees
moved for of the sumer business in the Court of Chatteery,
mid his noble and learned friend, the Lord Chancellor's,
remaining away from that court from illness mouldings no
inconvenience whatever. He recollected, in Lord Eldrn's
time, that noble and learned lord remained away from the
Osert ul Chancery for three soothe—up, in fact, to the sm •
imeneement of the long vacation, arid then there wee only
inelfice-ClinnesUor, whereas there were now three. le
=kb noble and learned friend would not cornea moment
dm his medical friends would advise. He had dais
td 11) maid to prevent him.
Lied LANGDALE could not egrets with the noble end
lammed lord that no inconvenience would arise from the an-
esAm of the Lord Chancellor.
Lord CAMPBELL concurred. There would be no lit
fleshy in providing for the temporary discharge of time
duties which he hoped would speedily be performed by the
noble and learned lord, who commanded the respect end
veneration of the bar.
SITES FOR SCHOOLS BILL.
On the motion of Lord BanzanLxs, this bill wee reed a
fleet time.
HIGHWAYS ANNUAL RETURNS BILL.
On the motion of Earl Our/Irma, this bill wee read a
third time and passed.
CANADA.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to know whatherthe Colonial
Seerstarj bad received any communicatiese from the Go-
rernor-General of Canada as to addresses and petitions from
plaees In the province, asking him to refuse his assent to
the Indemnity Bill?
Earl GREY said Lord Elgin had stated in the papers pre-
sented that he had received a great number of petitions, but
had given no list of them.
THE FRENCH RIPEDITION TO ROME.
The E.rl of ELLENBOROUGEL wished to know secs
ther the government were prepared to lay on the table their
answer to the fist communication from the French govern-
ment as to their expedi ion to Rome. He also wished to be
informed whether at any subsequent time there had been a
subsequent communication from France as to the altered
character of the expedition, they having first sent 6,000 men
with friendly intentions, and subsequently 30,000 men to
enter Rome by force of arms ?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE repeated what be had
frequently laid before, teat there had been no note from the
French government, but merely a request that the French
ambassador would leave a copy of the instructions of the
French goverment on the subject to the officer in command,
and that document had been printed.
The Earl of ABERDEEN :aid the noble marquis had at
first said that Austria had made no Collllllllllloltioll, but
France had. He, however, afterwards corrected that, and
said that the Austrian ambisiador had made a full, fsir, and
frank cumounicatim on the subject. It now, however,
turned out that the French government had made no com-
munication at all beyond that which had been made by
Austria. Now, as the government had laid on the table the
despatch of the French government to their minister else-
when, be wished to know whether they would also lay on
the table the note which the Austrian ambassador read at
the Foreign-office, explanatory of the intentions of his
government. l
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said the two communisa-
tions were similar, but no mord bad been made of the in-
structions front Austria, because the Austrian amdor
had not been directed to leave • copy of the teatno the
Fen iv-. floe.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the noble marquis
had stated the other night that he bad the communication
of the Austrian minister in his hand, consequently it mu• t
have an existence. It was absurd tossy that the instruc-
tions of the French government showed what their intentions
were, and he wished to know if the instructions of the Aus-
trian government had not been more intelligible. (Rear,
hear.) He wished, therefore, to know whether the noble
marquis would lay on the table a copy of the communication
from the Austrian government ?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought the netts earl
had long been in possession of it ; and repeated that the
Austrian ambassador had not left a copy of the note at the
Foreign-office.
Lord STANLEY wished to understand whether, lobe,-
quently to the sailing of the French expedition, bet Ma-
jesty's governs( nt bed staked for an explanation of the
nnttioos nn which she From+ pnvornenontwerit now pro-
ending to make a hostile attack on, a liege and bombard-
ment if, Rome, merely because the Romans were unwilling
to receive within their walls the armed force of a foreign
power ? He should be glad to know whether any explana-
tion had been received of the object of this most unprovoked
and unjustifiable attack? (Hear, hear.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was understood to my
that, in the present state of France no application had been
made on the subject by her Majesty's government, although
he did net mean to state that it was not a fit subject for

EQUALISATION OF POOR RATE.
Lord NUGENT gave notice that it the government did
not bring in a measure for a more equitable apportirnment
of the rate far the support of the poor, he would take the
cultist opportunity next session to renew his motion on the

wibjeet.
LANDLORD AND TENANT (IRELAND).
Mr. J. O'CONNELL gave sodas of a motion turtle 19th
of July, on the subject of the reletion between landlord and
tenant in Ireland.
BRITISH GUIANA.
Mr. HUME (gave notice that on the first vote in supply,
he would call the at+ention of the house to the report of the
committee on British Guiana.

CHINA.
Mr. BAILLIE gave notice that on Monday next he would
put a question to the noble lord, the Secretary for Foreign
Affain, on the affairs of Chira.
INDIAN RAILWAYS.
In answer to Mr. Hotainore,
Bir .1. C. HOBHOUSE said that there was a bill now be-
fore parliam. nt, on the subject of railways in the East Indies,
which he believed likely to pus into a law. There was some
difficulty on the subject of the contract, but he had every
reason to believe it would be pot over.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
Mr. OSBORNE wished to put a question to the hon.
member fur Lancaster (Hr. Cheese), respecting the new
hour-s of parliament. He saw by the return which was laid
on the table of the home, that the probable expense was
2.500,0001., instead of 707,1041., which was the original esti-
mate. (Hear, bear.) He begged to know from the hon.
gentlemen whether this 2,600,0001. included the oat of ven-
tilation, and the furnishing of the House of Commons, the
Speaker's house and the clerks' house ; and also whether it
included the cost of the new gallery to be erected in the
Reuse of Lords.
Mr. GREENE said if the hon. gentlemen had given him
notice of his qua stion, he would have hem able to give a more
definite answer. With regard to the new gallery in the House
of Lords, it certainly, was not included in the return; but he
believed it included all the other matters to which the hon.
gentleman referred. There was a sum of about 6,0001. fur
machinery for Dr. Reid, which he believed was not in-
cluded.
Mr. OSBORNE wished to know from the noble lard when
he nunded to bring this estimate before the house.
Lord J. RUSSELL said it could not be brought forward
next week, but it probably would in the week alter.
MR. ATT WOOD AND THE ELECTIONS OF LYME

REGIS AND HARWICH.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said that t►en wee, for some time,
a notice of motion on the paper, on the pert of an hon. mem-
ber of that house (Mr. Meier), affecting the character of a
gentlemen of high reepectel ility (Mr. Attwood), the object
of it being, that the hon. and learned gentleman the Attor-
ney-General be directed to prosecute that gentleman for
alleged cases of bribery. He wished to know whether the
hon. and learned gentleman bad had any communication with
the hoe. gentlemen who had given the notice.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he had had no com-
munication, directly or indirectly, with the hon. gentle-
man.

inquiry.
CANADA.
Lord BROUGHAM wished to ask whether the Clover-
nor-General had sent to the noble earl (Grey) opposite any
partieulan of the meetings in Canada, to which he (Lord
Brougham) bad before referred?
Earl GREY presumed that the noble and learned lord
must allude to addresses to her Majesty since the parsing of
the act. With respect to the addressee end petitions to the
Governor-Genenl, previous to the parsing of the act, te
withhold hie consent, he believed that they did not emanate
from public meetings;
_but with regard to the addresses sent,
subsequently, to her Msjosty, they had generally emanated
from public meetings • but no list of them had been seat by
the Governor, because the parties had not transmitted such
addresses through him, but by other channels. It would have
been his (Earl Grey's) duty, in the ordinary course, to have
refused to receive petitions so presented ; but, considering
the state of Canada, he had waived this objection, which he
might otherwise have raised.
Lord BROUGHAM said that what be referred to was a
list of meetings and petitions to Lord Elgin, praying him to
withhold his assent to the Indemnity Bill.
Earl GREY said than were only referred to in general
terms in the despatch of the Govenor.General..
Lord BROUGHAM—Lord Elba, for whom my respect is
undiminished, notwithstanding 1 have the misfortune to
differ with him on one important question—Lard Elgin,
however, cannot have meant the same thing—
Earl GREY rose to order. He bad no objection to answer
any question, even without previous notice, although that
was very inconvenient ; but be objected to the noble and
lamed lord taking advantage of a question of which no
notice had been given to make remarks highly derogatory to
the Governor. General of Canada without bringing a question
before the house. Let him bring any charge against the Go.
vernor•Geneeal fairly before the house, and he wee papered
to mat it. Ile, however, eontanded that it was sonerary
to their lordships' rules, under the guise of a question, to
convey opinions and insinuations of a most offensive cha-
racter spinet Lord Elgin.
Lord BROUGHAM repeated what he bad said, and
contended that he nad insinuated nothing offensive or dia.
gatory to the character of Lord ElMa, for whom he bad the
greatest respect. lie had no doubt Lord Elgin, in his
-despatch, alluded to a Vtally different period of time when
he alluded to the addressee and petitions in his despatch •
he could net have included the 79 to which he (Lord
Brougham) had referred. He would have given so
unfair and stneandid a statement of the petitions against him
when he had given so minute an account of thou in his
favour. He should conclude
.by moving that en hang*.
address be presented to her Males y, praying that she would
order to be laid on the table of the house copies of any
addressee or petitions against the consent of the Governor-
General being given to the Indemnity Bill.
Earl GREY said the return would only be that all the
papers teethe subject hid been laid on the table. If, how•
ever, the noble and learned lord wished to press his motion,
he had no objection to it.
The subject then dropped.
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL, in moving the third reading of this
bill explain. d some plight alterations which had been made
inice clauses to meet certain objections whith bad been
raised.
The Earl of OLENGALL referred to the steps now
taking by the City corporation, and said it was a perfect
delusion to suppose that high tillage could ever be made
rammerative on the mute lands in the west of Ireland.
The bill was then read a third got and passed.
COUNTY CESS (IRELAND) BILL,
On the motion of the Earl of CLANSICkIiDII, this bill was
committed, and reported without amendments.
RETURNS PRESENTED.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented certain re-
twos relating to the schools of the National Society ; also
astern+ relating to the recent evictions in Lintels union.
SEQUESTRATORS' REMEDIES BILL.
The Bishop of ROCHESTER (in the absents of the Earl
Harrowby) moot d the second reading of this bill.
After a few words from Lord LTNOILURST, the bill wss
read a second time.
AUDIT OF RAILWAY ACCOUNTS BILL.
Lord MONTRAGLE said that, as this bill was not yet
punted,
be would postpone the second reading to a %tun
NEW SOUTH WALES.
Lord MONTE eaGLE gave notice that on Monday he
should wont some petitions which he had just received
from the colony f Now S with Webs, and should tale that
opportunity of &striae whether the noble earl (Earl el,e% )
meant to bring any MU under the oonahleratkin of that house
for altering the ernuthution of that colons.
The house edjisart.tal at 20 minutes to 7 o'clock.

Sir L. O'BRIEN said that the whole difficulty arose from
apy!ying a pour law to a state of famine.
Mr. P. SCROPE oomplained that the enormous debt
which cow prestn.ed so formidable an aspect had net done
any goJd even dating the period of its growth. If a really
efferive sum had been expended at a fitting time upon pro-
ductive labour, thousaude of lives might have been saved.
On the question that "The clause as amended be agreed
tow.
Mr. 8. ADAIR moved the following proviso u an addi-
tition to the clause:—" Provided always, that such yearly
limit of poor's rat. e. specified in thit act, shell be in force for
the period only of five peen from the passing thereof, and
thence to the end of the then next session of parliament."
Sir 0. OREN' said that the proviso would effectually de-
feat the whole object of the bill, and therefore he would not
agree to it.
Mr. P. SCROPE thought differently, and would support
the proem,.
After a short conversation, the committee divided on the
question that the provisobe added to the clause.
The numbers were—
Fur the proviso as 11
Ageing at O3-46
On the question being again put that the clause be sired

to,
Mr. S. CRAWFORD was opposed altogether to the prin-
ciple of a maximum rate and indeed was surprised to tad
members for towns supporting it, and be must thereffere take
the ono of the committee on the clause itself.
Mr. F. FRENCH objected to the clause, though not on
the same grounds as those of the boo. member for Rochdale.
He felt convinced that he was taking uo the time of the
committee to no earthly purpose, and he had made up his
mind, therefore, not to address the committee again.
After a few words from Mr. Senora, the committee again
divided, when the numbers were—
} or the clime* 56
Against it 24-32
The clause was then agreed to.
On clause two being pureed.
Sir G. GREY moved, is line eight, after the word " year"
to resort the words "ending on the 25th of March." The
effect of the amendment was this : As the clause stood at
present, the accounts would he made up to the 29th of S: p•
umber next, and there would immediately come into opera-
tion the power of levying the maximum rate of 6s. on
the electoral divisions and the 2s. on the unions. The go-
vernment were of opinion, however, thatthat might lte call-
ing for the union rata, at too early • period. By this
amendment, therefore,they proposed to postpone the opera-
tion of the union rate until the 25th of March, which
would be in point of fart for a year. They were anxious
net to call for toe large a sum at once for prospective pur-
poses.
Mr. MONSELL moved, as an amendment, to insert the
words 29th September in the place of the 25th March.
Mr. VESEY observed that the rates were usually struck
in autumn. In accordance, therefore, with that custom, •
great number of rates would be struck in Ireland after the
next harvest. The rates in very many cases would be more
than 5.. ; but though it would be impossible under the firs.
clause to impose • Leger rate than 61. upon the electoral di-
Ni•i0118, yet the excess could not be charged until the 25th
of March. The col:sequence would be that these divisions
would run into debt. How did the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer mean to meat that ? Did he intend to allow the divi-
sions to run into debt until a new rate shoul I be struck ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was
pert. etly true that there would be smile amount of debt ex-
uting between the 25th of March and the next collection of
the rate. His object wa', however, that the rate should be
struck in the summer, and collected in the autumn. (Hear.)
The committee divOled—
For the amendment
Against it 4O
Majority —22
Mr. STAFFORD, wishing to take the sense of the homes
on the question whether the rate chargeable on the electoral
division might b.... charged on the union at large, moved to
leave out all the words atter the words " electoral division
of such union."
The committee divided—
For the amendment lB
Against it
Majutety —2s
Mr. STAFFORD said that the house having decided as
to the maximum of Si., it became a question at what period
the power vested in the commissioners should be brought to
hear. It was the opinion of many gentlemen that if any
license were lett, it would be just es well not to establish any
maximum; that unless some definite and immovable rule
were laid down, it would lead to a great amount of jobbing.
He moved that the words, "or so much thereof as it has
been practicable to levy," be omitted.
Sir G. GREY said that that practical result of the hen.
no tuber's amendment would be to neutralise the adoption of
the union rate. He hoped that hon. members would bear
this in mind when attout to vote on the amendment.
After a few words from Mews. GROGAN and 8. Amain.
Col. DUNNE said that the powers contained in the
clause should be given to the boards of guardians.
Mr. H. HERBERT supported the amendment.
After on obserreeion from Mr. P. Elmore,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
We effect of the amendment wools he to get rid of the union
AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT BILL.
Mr. V. SMITH wotted to know from the noble lord who- rate. It woul Ibe qnite sufficient in his opinion if the coi-
misionere Ivereta.irsatied that every pes.ible mesas had been
they it was the intention of the government te persevere with
the Australian Colonies Government Bill that session, and, taken t° collect the le"
it PO, what day be proposed to proceed with It. Me. CLEMENTS put the case of a district in which only
3. out of the 6s, rate had been collected, but in which the
Lied J. RUSSELL hoped they would be able to go on arrear was afterwards recovered. Was the aerate to go to
with the bill in the present session. He would state to-mor-
the credit of the union or of the district ?
row when he proposed to proceed with it.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that if A paid an
JUDGMENTS (IRELAND) BILL. anoar that had been incurred by B, which eerier was after-
In answer to Colonel DUNNZ, wards recovered from B, it would properly go to the credit
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL slid that it was not his of A. He apprehended that to be the proper way in which
intention to tostpone the second reading of this bill till the to put the cue. _-.l.7.efreeelP ...... 7-2 ' •' ''. I
evidence was printed, as it was most desirable that the bill —Mi7CLEMENTS feared that his questioi had not been
should pass as soon as possible. clearly understood.
IRISH RAILWAYS. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER considered
Major BLACKALL wished to ask the Chancellor of the the answer was perfectly clear, viz., that the sum collected
Exchequer when he intended to introduce his measure for for the purposes ef the rev in lid would go to the credit of
giving assistance to Irish railroads, and whether it would be the electoral division from which it had been collected,
m the guise of a bill to promote railways in Ireland gene-
Mr. CLEMENTS irquired whether the right hon. gentle.
rally, or for an adv.tmet of money to one line only ?
man would introduce a clause to meet the difficulty ?
The CHANCELLOR ef the EXCHEQUER said it was The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER considered,
hi. intention to move now that the house resolve itself into • looking at the circumstances" of Ireland, that it would be
committee to-morrow, ;or the purpose of moving the resole- time enough to pass en enactment on the subject when the
tion to enable him to make the proposed advance of money. difficulty ae.ually arose.
But he would not proceed with the bill till the committee Mr. GROGAN thought the conflicting view taken of the
had concluded the Irish poor-law measure. With respect to meaning of the clause by the Attormy-General end toe
the second question, he proposed to make an advance fur one
Chanceller of the Exchequer wee a ground for reconsidering
line only, namely, the line between Athlone and Galway.
The bill would contain the same clauses as were proposed by
The ATTORNEY. GENERAL explained that in his
an hon. gentleman opposi'e, respecting the sale of land, as it
the of the clause, if one electoral divi-
was desirable that the work should be commenced as early view of construction .
if
sion was in strew the union rats would be levied, but the
the subject.
as possible. ards paid, it would go to the credit of the
Sir 11. WILLOUGHBY salted what security the right
hon. gentleman proposed te take ? (Hear, hear.) electoral divirion.
After some flutter conversation,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the arrear was afterw .
a tax of ten per cent. should be put on the 13,000,0001. of
had to make to morrow.
hon. gentleman had better wait to hear the sAtement he Mr. STAFFORD observed that the question was, whether
preeerty at the discretion of the commissiolien. This was
It was then speed that the house resolve itself into com-
mittee el ways and wore to-morrow. an attempt to engraft a despotism on the representative
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL. system which he felt bound to oppose.
The committee then divided—
The house went into committee on this bill. For the retention of the words ...... .. 79
On clause 1, For the amendment .. 23-56
Sir G. GREY moved amendments, providing the power of
levying new rates for the discharge of debts. Mr. VESEY moved, as an amendment, the omission of
Mr. B. B. ROCHE considered the proposed amendments the words in clause 2, teem lines 34 to 36, which would com-
a violation of the principle of • maximum. pet the board of guardians to pay the sum apportioned on
Mr. GROGAN felt that it would be impossible to levy "electoral division out of any money which might be
rates in the manner propored. standingehe
to the credit of that division with the teeuurer of
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER opposed this
pe
were
allowed for payment, the principle of • maxi- or BLACKALL thought that unless • cowiderab
le the union'
amendment.
mum rate would be totally inefficacious.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, the proviso did not Maine BLACKALL supported it.
ukre that the money should be paid within half-a-year. Mr. HENLEY thought there ought to be a uniform time
It poevided that the old rates should continue to be levied, for payment is order that each electoral division might be
est that there should from time to time be a levy for ex- placed upon the same footing.
pints. Afterwards the levy was not to exceed 6s. In reply to Mr. CONOLLT,
"Mr. STAFFORD—Then the rate for debts is to be a se- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
prate rate ? every electoral div'sion must pay ei portion of the rate in aid.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL—It may, or may not, The guerdisno might
amounth sum levied upon an electoral
lee so. division out of any standing to its credit, or out of
sIoe,TFFO separate rate there would be no any other money in its posse sioo.
of collectieg ; while the principle of a maximum, The g ollery was cleared for a division, but none took
governmentite lt s, would
on have
the place, and the amendment was withdrawn.
whoshinchvtoladatbea-en hueeldcoeuntanutuallauter
, 1 Mr. P. SCROPB suggested that the proviso at the end et
potation in which tiny had placed
themselves. (Hear' hal- '' clause 2, that the sum of 2.. in the pentad might in certain
Sir 0. GREY would like to know whether, in the opinion case- be charged on the union at large, be omitted.
of the hon. gentleman, the debts ought to be Raid Ist means
de totheeep
Mr. ADAIR moved the following proviso to clause 2 :
of rates, or out of the cansoliclated fund ? (Hear, ear.) " Provided storeys, that it shall not be lawful for said
Mr. STAFFORD replied that the maximum involved the uronsiosioners to make sash flake, unless it shall apeeer to
whole question in inextricable difflAlty. them that the payment of rates, greater than the sums here-
Sir J. GRAHAM said he had strongly opposed the pria- • inbefere specilltd, in any electoral division named in the
ciple of • maximum ; hut the beuee having adopted it by a order aforesaid, would prevent the due and proper cultivation
large majority, he thought the question then was, bow they of the lends situate therein."
should deal with the immense difff••ul'y arising from the Sir G.
it was withdrawn.
GREY opposed this proviso; sad, after a brief con-
state of the accounts in the most distressed districts TE .
ia Ireland. (Hear, hear) He held in his hand 811 OLI,
an aceount which applied only to the case of 32
the Mr BOURKE moved another proviso, to the effect that
lIRUNOI. From that account it appeared that on the 25th . .
commie:loners should in no ease levy the two shillings,
of Mar
in tee present >ear those uniets owed 231,0001.. and unless due elLigence had been taken to collect the five
it was estimated that on the 29th ef next September there aa•
would be an additional debit of 271,0001., making a total Colonel DUNNE supported the proviso.
debt of about half a million. Why, in the case of those Lord C. HAMILTON also supported it, and isegg.-d to
animus, instead of • rate of 6s. being sufficient, one of 255. know t hrough whom were the commissioners to receive
would not raise the sum revired. (Hear, hear.) authentic information ; because if the reports forwarded to
The CHANCELLOR ef the EXCHF.QUER thought the them were to be received and acted on without say check,
amount mentioned by the right hon. baronet included the the greatest confusion awl injustice would be the result.
amount of rote which might be collected in the intervening Sir G. GREY said, that the commissioners were not to
period, and the advai,cas from the public treasury. receive their hatormation from one source only, but from
Sir J. GRAHAM said that at all events the debt would various channels, and it was because the proviso sought to
not amours to less than 300.0001. or 400,0001. limit i' to one channel that he must oppose it.
Sir J. WALSII objected to the le ieciple on which the go. , Sir L. O'BRIEN said a few words in support of the
vernment were proceeding, as tender g to reduce all the seal- , proviso, and
vent unions to the co .dttiou of the insolvent, unt.l Ireland i Toe committee divided.
became a mass of destitution and ruin. (Hear, hear.) F.,. th, proviso
Illr. FRENCH sail the object of a maximum rate WI Atia,nsr,it BB-40
, been stated to be that of giving eonfirlenel to 1110110 f capita ; . C.2onel Dll'NN '7 dad ni.,ved a proviso at the enel or the
t new it was proposed to desire; all ciclidinet . al ,ea--, to the trv...t. it it the °eine rate of 2e. shall be struck
Cul. DUNNE believed that the collection of ens sum .... I to. Un!r two Item from Eltlratber,l349-
rind 7s. is the poond--fis. hem the electoral dieiot,...,n a_d ea. : The ecremittee et wise divided.
from the une R—ivniti. prove whelly impracticable. For the proviso
Mr. H. lIERBEItf mid the posei on in which matters Ageing! 3 lO3 -f 5
stood &Al bee u aptly d. or r'bed 1 y one of the government Sir 11. W. It eRRON moved the omission of the clowe.
inspeed.irs, wh , •-. ', " Evorythied apoomrs to be gulch on I He contended the they were by this el rose about to i.iipot,
antniiirtorily with theezeopticie oi "—what ?—" ti_c state of Ia n. rate in 141 of 21 cre the who lr ef Ireland, under which
beahrwecy to se :id , the vielestuudiaeo are re erred. I the entire property of the country most break down.
asmoteer.) . lively union i. In a eatisfectory 001:litIon. I .• •. O. GREY said *het rie the question invo'ved hod bran
rue,. tee? .. le uteerte hankenp.d they have Loather 1 rievio.s.lr raisoet thee evsning he the hon. memhirr for
credit our lunda." tined laughter.)l Itiorthempumehire (Mr. Stafford), he hoped the hon. ba-
.

roust would not consider his abstaining from replying
respectful.
The committee then divided—

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For elutes
Against it 52
Majority 66
Mr. CLEMENTS having risen to move some emend.
meats in Clause 3, of which he had given notice, and *kith
had vibrance to the boundaries of unions,
Lord J. RUSS gLL thought it was not desirable to pc,
laird to the discussion of the amendments that evening, Tty
but coupe would be, perhaps, for the chairman to report
progress, with a view of resuming on the following (hi
day at halt past four.
Tee house atoordingly resumed, and the chairman bath.
reported 'megrim, obtained leave to sit again this day,
MUTINY AND DESERTION (INDIA) BILL.
This.bill was read a third ume and passed.
LEASEHOLD TENUREILL. OF LANDS (IRELeyD)
B
This bill wu read a second time, and ordered to be tui,
mitted this day week.
ESTATES LEASING (IRELAND) BILL
The house went into committee on this bill.
On the lit clause being proposed,
Capt. JONES moved that the chairman report Mgr".
The commutes divided.
The numbers were—For reporting progress.* 29
Against it lO3-76
On the gallery being re opined,
Sir A. BROOKE moved that the &hate be acv".
joureed.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said if the boo
persisted he would not go on wile the bill.
Mr. ROEBUCK said he was prepared to ail rill fin
o'clock : if the Solicitor. General intended to go on hit the
bill it was his duty to do so.
The CHAIR ttAN then rep•xted progress.
TURNPIKE ROADS (IRELAND).
This bill went through c, muuttee.
Several causes were added to the bill, after Which it,
house resumed.
PUPILS PROTECTION (SCOTLAND).
The house went into eenmittee on this bill.
The clauses as amended were agreed to, and the boos
resumed.—The report to be received this day.
MARRIAGES IN FOREIGN coustmEs FACILI-
TATING BILL.
This bill passed through committee without amendateut.
SEWERS ACTS AMENDMENT (No. 2) BILL.
This bill also parsed through committee.
BANKRUPTCY (IRELAND) BILL.
This hill went through in mentos, with tie ercrpticeer
a few clauses which were reserved. Tee cheirmsn reported
progress, and Waisted leave to sit again on Mcedsy nat.
TURNPIKE TRUSTS UNION BILL
This bill was read a second time. Committee en Thursday
next.

PALACE COURT (WESTMINSTER) BILL.
Lord 1.) STUART moved that this toill be committed.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL rail be must prated
against that. He had told his noble friend over nail over
&Adel, that he Lad prepared a HI upon V/e /abject which
would be ready for 'second reading in a few days, and
under these eircumrsuc a he was surprised that his noble
friend should persevere wilt his Val. If he persisted with
it, he (the Attorney-Gestral) should move that it be com-
mitted that day six month•.
Lord D. STUART.—" When he open his mouth, no dog
may bark." (A laugh.) He aid not andentand this dicta-
tion of hie hon. and learned friend's. Hie hon. and learned
friend said he had told hint (Lord D. Stuart) over and Qom
again, that he bad a bill ago the subject ; how woe it that
he hail never asked leave to brine in his bill, until he (Lord
1). Stuart) had gisen notice of hie ? He did net impute
motives. but the c euntry had a shrewd easpicion so to what
might have led the Ateorney•general, at that late plied cd
the session, to introduce his bill. He had been deceived tears
than once. He had known the n•vernment give autunite
and not fulfil them. (Tory cheers and laughter.) He had
known them give an aesursace that they would bring is a
bill—bring it in, read it a first time, and a second time, sad
then, at a late hour of the night, without any not*
to any person concerned, abandon it altogether. (Chem)
In 1848, genet =sot undertook to bring sa • bill to relieve
the metr polls from the police rate; the bill was broadtail:
and read a first time, but nothing more was heard of it,
Something of the lame kind might happen to ties Palma
Court Bill.

Capt. PECIIELL said that the noble lord was quiejatti•
fled in all he had said. The inhabitants of the mem/pole
looked with cacti fence to the ned. lord's measure. Its
Attorney-General never introduced his measure until the
noble lord laid his bill upon the table. The bon anti hued
gentleman bad given no explanation to the house as to shit
he intended to do; he had never stated what were the prt•
visions of the bill ; it was n•A printed ; and the house Wm
security that it would ever be carried on.
Mr. BROTHERTON moved that the debate be if.
journed.
Mr. DUNCAN seconded the motion.
Mr. A. SMITH suggested that the noble lord elruld put
off his bill for a week, that it mlght be seen whet toe At.
terney-General would do.
Lord D. STUAR If said that if he consented ti put off
his bill, it must be on the understanding that if it wai tco
late for bit. bill, it WI!, too late for any other bill.
The motion for adjournment was withdrawn, and the de•
bate was adj ',tinted hit felsoday next.
PROTECTION OF WOMEN BILL.
Mr. SPOONER moved the second reading of this blll.
(No, no.)
Col. SALWEY moved that the house do now adjourn.
Mr. M. GIBSON seconded the motion.
After a fee words from Mr. W. PATTEN,
Col. SALWEY withdrew his motion for the adjournment
Of the how, and move I that the !.bate be now seljoursol.
Mr. SPOONER said that the question had alreedy ben
fully discussed, and 130 members had expressed eke ir opine'
that the bill should go on.
Col. SALWEY said that no member was more desiross
than he was to put a stop to the nefarious pram c sof whet
the hon, member complained ; but, when he recollected eta&
the hon. member had introduced a bill so imp, reedy drum
that almost any schomboy would have been eslnut
to have drawn such a bill; worn the tight boo. Watt bit
stated that it was a doorace to legislati in, and mkshoolto
bring legislation into contempt, he thought he was p rtely
justified in putting a stop to the bill, The hon. mambo ke
N nth Warwickshire must be fully aware that thu bill we
perfectly inefficient, and he trusted the house would &rah
the propel,' that the debate be aUjourued until the ha.
member for Noah Warwickshire had introduced his Antal.
menu,.
The house divided—Ayes 29
Nes 5'43
Mr. M. GIBSON promoted against tho come pursod
by the hon. mein er fur Warwickshire in persist* Ind
the bill at that late hour. It was but reasonable Wit do
house should know the nature of the bon member's mod.
menta before they made any further progress, and thereto
he should feel justified in persevering with the moon for
adjournment.
Mr. H. BERKELEY hoped that the hen. member eufla
consent to the aojourument.
Sir G. GREY reminded the house that the hos. mentor
for Warwickshire could not prop.rly introduce bit
meat until the t ill was in committee.
After a short discussion,
Mr. HASTIE moved the adjournment of the home.
The house divided—Ayes
Noes
Lord DUNCAN moved the adjouriern debt of rests
Mr. SPOONER, while protesting against the condo,*
hon. members opposite, felt bound out of eonsidersimir
the noble friends who had supported him to comeatteth
adjournment of the deb.te.
Debate adjourned to Wednesday next.
BOARD OF HEALTH.
Lord ASHLEY a ov.d for have to bring in a bill tells'.
lac certain provisional orders of the Board of Hebb. Lew
given.

ACCIDENTS IN COAL MINES.
Mr. WYLD row to move that a committee be aProw"
to inquire into the ottani of accidents in cosi mines.
An RON. RUMBA moved that the house be collate:l.w.
forty members not btiog plasma, the house adjourega I
quarter to two o'clock.

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ALLEGED FORGEDY O 1 AN ODD FELLOWe'LODoII
The Monmouthshire Merlin, says, "Awe of muds icures
to the members of Odd Fellows' lodges hos been bl.
magistrates at Newport, and it will be seen, by the yroer'
ings, that the Talmoings, nction of an ucenrol.ed sxietf ceM
unable to punish its members by law, and another Will
epiniou, that a member of such unennAled society goy
the money of the contributors, and use it Uhl* own.
"1"""
be is " • partner in the joint stock company," aft .
erroneous and absurd. Thomas Edward Tabenalls
charged with ?forgery, in having altered the &fur!' 1.1
cheque tor 51. 2s. into 51. 12s.whztreby he had
the brothels of the T. mple of Peace Lodge of Odd Feat
M.U., of the sum of 10s. 61. Jacob Clutter's delo4
be was one of the pre ei :lig officers of the Temple
Peace Lo fge of Odd Fellows, meeting from about J
to
ao,o
to April last ; and as such cfficer, had carafe*
an order for 51. 2s. on the treasurer, to be Mid t'3,_ri
then actuary (the prisoner). The order now prol.w—
, by Sergeant liortable is the one I signed ; but it tee. it
peon to be for 51. 121. 6d. That alteration was node fe/a,T.
my knowledge or consent. The body of the order is ow,
prisoner's writing. Other witnesses 'roved that thtpr
soner had medal the fraudulent alteration, and hid an
mien& the balance to his own use. This was the II" •
the prosecution. A legal practitioner, on bald!
er of the
P.re_
sinner, addressing the lieneb, said he would dri stol
to the point as to whether the prisoner could be clt• reed
forgery,
r n ow
forgery, he having been a par the Joint Sock C 110;
pany to which the money belonged, and that colePol
society being unimr,lled. The GM stood thus: Oae of the tit!
drew from .he banker, or treasurer, a lawn afloat,:
money than he ought ; but still the money of which te .•
a p-rtion, was theprisoner's, equally with other Menthe,,,,
' that he consider( d no forgery coal:1 be committed, as sltl;
Mr. Philpotta for the prosecutionsaid it was coat dtlige•
portion of the funds of the lodge belonged to pito .
o:scr teed'
but tnen, the revidu.; wa• the e
iv iper.yP of chi.
ben; and it had been ruled 1 7 Bare. ek, that a.theer
a person charged with a similar offence had tikea has
proportion of the funds, yet as he had also taken the 17;
portions of the remaining memhers, se he hit culotte:l.s,
‘tdence agaikat the statute. There were r 11;r8.
wise, which the Bench had thew before torch stu•Vrto,
that view or the gut ri•in. And as to the ohjech
ner "t
enrolment, equally untenable. The pro
committed, for trial.