The Express.
London, England, 1865-04-07 00:00:00

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Ito mead at Dashiki stair that them is • oomplaint of
Ito brain, thistly affecting ckldren, bat that it bas
no cormesiost with the disease existing at St. Petersburg.
The maul at Warsaw states that there are earns cases of
them bat that than ic so epidemic' dia4
there there. The wand Kompbsek reports that
there is so particular epidemic *slating them
The consul at Memel reports that there •us
no symptoms of disease in that district. I received • tar
vim an hour ago from Stettin that no epidemic theorise
bas yet inhibited itself there. (Hear.)
THE WAR IN NEW ZEALAND.
Mr. CARDWELL, is answer to Oolimel Nowrit.
1.
that so information had bows nosived at the Cassia-
°Soo of any moat disaster to our troops in New
The government knew nothing more than that whtkat
appeared as • " telegram" in the miblio papers.
THE OOLONIAL NAVAL RUMORS BILL.
The Lords' ameodmeat to this bill was ciossidered art
agreed to.

CANADIAN DIFINCIO3.
Lard ZLOHO rese to worsen eddrees for ropy of pepen
and entreats of oorrespondeoce relative to the proposed
Canadian defenses sod the share of the total cost wch was
to be reepestively borne by Canada and the Unitedhi Kier

dom.
Mr. HALLBURTON (interposing), said that before the
Speaker pat the question, he would appeal to the noble
lord whether he would not emirate hie motion, couaiderisi'
that • deputation from the Canadian goverment on the
subject of the defaces of Canada was sow on lie way to
this country.
Lord I/LOBO maid that the cisoutestance which the ham
gentleman bad mentioned was the very reason which urged I
him to bring the motion forward. In `ea barest of
morethen in the attired of Harland, sked the hcou°6=
the got umlaut to reousider the policy they wage dimmed to I
pursue with regard to the dolma of Cued*. Hie imam-
ma was that instead of building useless forte, which would
become the prey of the Americans, Canada would de well
not to encumber herself with debt, but endeavour by her
freedom from pecuniary difficulty to attract an mouse of
population. The policy of Cies& was to induce the can
plus population of the earth to go to her Morse, to
fill her rich waste Bads, which were only wait-
ing to be occupied. (Hem hoer.) That was the beet
and needed policy for Canada, sad it was the policy Is
which England should emourege her. Upos this point of
honour, which bad often bete referred to in these discus-
ses., he objected to those who took • differ's; view from
that which he had massed, claiming • monopoly of =-
bond pride end the proper frilling of honour on this ques-
tion. (Hew, hear.) He believed the cease be bed sug-
gested was perfectly consistent with national honour ' • be
did not believe Caned& would suffer from etch a course, sad
they had • prendeat for it in recut European history, in
the policy pursued with regard to Turkey and the Danu-
bian Priacipelities. He did not know what the result of the
discussion would be, be knew not what the result of the
negotiations reading between the two governineate might
be, but be should Dever regret haring raised his voiles
against a policy which, if ea tested by war, might doubt.
lees prove mcosesful, but which in the sweet of war pilot
;r4pab:a.in Canada the grave of the Bum and power of
Sir J. HAY, in seconding the motion, said that It
would be very desirable that her Majesty's government
should recorder the mode ia which they were about to
afford assistance to Curcio, that they should expedite those
communications upon which her defence would depend, and
that they should hesitate to devote, or to encourage the
Canadians in devoting, large sums of money to the fottilica •
Dons of a great city. which could not for a moment be held
against the forces which would be brought to attack it.
(Hsu, hoar.)
He BUXTON said that the amendment he had placed on
the paper, but which the forms of the house precluded him
from moving, was not at all intended to suggest that the
tie between England sad Canada should be broken, but
only that Canada being vitally interested in this matter
should be allowed to decide whether it really was for her
interest that we should take part in her defences on land.
Very reel* the people of Canada might sot take that
view, but if they did—and be would show why we might
anticipate that they would do so—then we should lied our-
selves set fns without loss of honour from • most unplea-
sant, if cot perilous predicament. Every seaside men felt
that in communing this great fortification ahem we were
plunging into • sea of difficulty and expense, to which
no limit was possible, and although the people of
this country were reedy to accept what was inevitable,
they would feel great relief if • way of escape could be
found without any wain being out upon oar honour. Now
two things were clear. It was dear that if British trooPs
were to be retained in Canada fortifications must Inbuilt to
protect them. It was also clear that England could Lot in
the present juncture renounce her connexion with Canada.
If she aide* she would be hooted by the whoa world. The
third alternative was, that without cutting the tie that
bound us to Canada we should inform her that for straegic
reasons we must withdraw our army from her shores, end
this suggestion Lad been supported by arguments of great
force. But there was one fatal difficulty. The world
had grown extremely surpitious of strategic move-
ment.. Somehow strategic movements were always
towards the rear, and the removal of our tamps
for strategic reason. however wise in itself, would pro-
bably be mistadentriod, end regarded as the result of fear.
But, now, could not the was end be attained in • different
Lwalto which this objection could not apply? If the Ca-
os t their own benefit requested the mother country
to withdraw her troops, sod therefore, of course, total the
fortification scheme fell to the ground, that could ea mot
the alighkat taint epee our honour, while at the eau
time we should be saved from the enormous outlay and
the enormous risks which our attempt to defend QUM& by
land must inevitably involve.
Col mei SYKES mid his advice to the government would
be to withdraw our troops from Canade, sad to continuo
on good terms with her end also with the United States V
that were risible. If, however, the United States resolved
to attack Canada, and this country resolved to Mend
Canada, we could only do so effectually by navel warfare,
maintained along the coast of America.
Mr. ADDERLEY said he entertained not the slightest
doubt that what had made New Brunswick and Nom
Scotia back in the great scheme of federates
was that thought they would be swamped by the
greater
0.2700.6
of Canada, and stiff more beams
they not_ make up their minds to give op the good
• accustomed to get from England. He

thing. they had base
begged to say that few Bromwich end Nova Scotia would
find themselves very much deceived if they imagined that
by holding hack from the federstiac, and shrinking from
taking stn together with the other provisoes, for their
self Adams, land would continue to support them with
forms or supplies as she bad hitherto done. (Hear,
hear.) He could oily say that, if the delegates
who were said to be on their way from Canes
the da to this
country were coming to seek an imperial guano for
of raising money for tbe defences of the country.trwrld readily give his support to that proposal. (Hear.)
Mr. CARDWELL Trusted that when the punishes
landed in this country, that spirit would got be damped by
their finding that we had concluded the question in another
mom, and that it was of no use their showing their loyalty
to the mown and making exertions for their own defence
because parliament to its superior wisdom had determiaed
that it was impossible to defend Canada, and if ponsible
that it was impolitic. He trusted, on the contrary, that the
spirit they would find in this country would correspond
with the tpirit exhibited in the extract he had read,
and that they would see that we could recipro-
cate the feelings of attachment which the Comedian
legislature bad manifested to this country. (Hem, hear.)
The position of the case was this. The right hoc. path-
man opposite said with truth that a country could be it..
fended that *mkt rely on the spirit of its people. He (Ma.
Cardwell) stated the other evening that the first defame of
Canada was the knowledge that war with Canada was war
with &Weed, and that her second defame was the spirit
end energy of her own people. To call out that spirit and
energy was the policy of her Majesty's government, and be
was glad to say that they had been evoked in a mariner in
which they bed never been evoked before. He trusted theday
was not tar distant when Canada would not only be able to I
defend herself, but would be a valuable adjunct to the
power of the whole esepre. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. KINGLAKE saA hie opinion was that they should
do all they could to raise such fortifications in Canada as
would secure British troops in Cans&, but that we ought
to disentangle ourselves from any Maims with Camila
tilt we knew that Canada would, for the purposes of the
war, put Mel parent state in ponneseion of fall MOW
over her resources. (Hear, bear.)
Mr. J. B. SMITH said that they bad committed so many
blunders in Canada that they ought to take care they did
not repeat or erotism them. He held that it would
be utterly impossible for England, 3.008 miles from
the seat of war, to compete with America is Canada, and
nada these cirounistances he asked what could induce us to
begin to fortify that colony ! It had been said that the
fortifications of Quebec would be meted io ease of defeat to
enable our troops to get away, bat how could our troops run
away without great national humilistioe ! That was a day
which he for one never desired to sea. Believing that to
persevere in the fortifications would be to invite humiliation
and defeat, he would do all in his power to oppose
the construction of the fortifications except on the terms
that Canada agreed to bear all the Taproom of
the naval and military foroe she would require from this
country. If such a demand were made of her he believed
that Maeda would try the sooner we aver our cog-
maim with England the better."
Mr. Alderman ItCriE thought that the Cosadims had
shows that they were io earnest in providing their shay of
the defences of their country, acid be feared that the preset
debate would exercise a depressing Mimeos in the colony.
Sir F. SMITH said he believed the brat and most expe-
rienced officers in the service would agree that, in a
tary geese, Canada was perfectly defensible. (Hear,
He trusted that be should never hear the question
again ; and that if the subject were ever again moodier&
in that house it would only be to urge the government bp
complete their preparations as rapidly as parrots. (Chem.)
Msjor ANSON—For every officer of experience that the
hon. and gallant gentleman could produce who would my
that Canada could be defended he would undertake to
bring forward tem who would say the sostrary.
(Hear, hear.) It was no pismire to him (the
major) to stead up and declare that the Ziatblit
army MB incapable of performing any duty Death* country
might call upon it tothe opinion was shoat
venal anempt MN who really knew Canada that its air
fame wee hopeless.
Set J. PAKINGTON Imbed that the beim midi sell*

occesioa
the a Wee Wiloastloa of the grounds upon
which the vote asa isslllies sad also of the answer which
the emanated AWL to Moho te the nefavounble military
which had how wawa oe the subject of the
ecee„ A eiuns sse gm ilefeeee ol Cassie, he for wee did not
to WA so beg ae the 110106/011. IMO 10111
to the rather eoreny we Mead Meet thew. He entirely
Mounted from the league's which had been made use of
lw though no doubt
the right Isom gagman (Mr. Lowe),
that lemma was entitled to the praise of predate. In
hot whoosh ass qualities bargee lighting and rowing Lan
the pole), of swum away pawkily was pradeat. lie °Geld
at imagine a greater *shinny, at caly to the two oountries
but in einniliblioll iMelt, than a war between liegiend and
America ; and be eleowely Wasted that no English govern-
ment would ever give the government of the Mated States
the slightest excuse for ameseeciag hostilltim Ulk
11, however, • war were ushappily toned e us we must
ame4 it every when with the fell farce et the mpire ; and
he felt sew the noble v 1800024 would be the last man in the
world to ratios the desertion of a loyal people. (Chan.)
Kr. C. PORTEBCIIII wawa& be had awe listemed toe
debate is which the idea about width hen. asseshers bad
bees talldag seemed lam &dad. Did his noble friend (Lord
Bleho)mew that th•Cansdiane were to lay down then arms,
sod submit themselves to the Americas? (Hear.) That
would be the cooly result if hie policy were followed. He
sethat this debate would do so good, bet it might,
wetrary, padre mischief. (Hew, hair.) If the
rownsmiert believed that it would be madam and
folly for the Canadians to wpm their troops and
oar own to the American foam it would be unpardonable In
the goveounent to encourage the Canadlem In going a with
the oepaisatioa of their tones, sad the 'aeronaut oesht
rather Wall the Ossadiene that their only hope of tante
wield be in layieg down their ems. (Hear, bear.) He
heileved, however, that U this subject WV* oasehierimill
the light of common wow, there would be very lit* dr
fereeee at *Woo either epee this or the other aids of the.
Atlantis. (Hear, hear.) When they should hoar Uri
Belgium wee ready to disband her forte, and to give laud'
up to her stronger neighbour, thee they might argue
that the Canadians could not defend themselves.
Lad that they ought to lay down their sr.
I
Bat he believed that Loy aarailant would lied the Canadians
very tough oaetcaners, ad that every assailant would hear
tate when be bees that she was supported by a powerful
ally. They had been told by the right bon. pathos= the
member for Wee that there was an alternative, and that
Outeda could be defended elsewhere ; bat then as no.
thing of the kind, Canada would be defended In Canada sad
elsewhere. There was no dilemma to oppose the views of
the government. Lima the whole he thought the tone of
the debate was owe for which the government might feel
theakfta. (Hew, beer.)
Ceara PEEL argued that Owed& was perfectly de-
feasible, sad hinted that such &home as the "urea were
calculated to do great mischief by disco the solo-
whose mutinies's were thoroughly loyal and
pakten&
Mr. LAIRD remarked that in owe of war gunboats
could be bulls is this country in pieces and subsequently
put together on the Cardiac isken ; bat unfortunately we
bed so mew of repairing vessels either at Bermuda or
Haifa.
Attie a few words from the Marquis of HAIITISOTON.
Lord Eirffo museated to withdraw hie motion, as he
nedeestood that the papers he required were of in

existuera
The modem having been withdrawn, the Wass went into
'amities of supply, and voted the earn of 1,748,0001., on
acuant of Civil Berm* estimated.
The further consideration of the army estimates mu then
with, and the following votes were pseud :
TrOOdidi. (seamless and Kilmainham Hospitals ; 131.11911/.
for en nation, sad allowenese ; and 79,0004 for did.
em • militia and yeomasry cavalry.
The Public °Hoes (She sod Approaches) BM `Mahe
ladle Offices (Site and Approaches) Bill, me
orenaittim.
The Trusts Administration (800llaed) Bill was read a
mooed time.
The Pilotage Order Confirmation Bill pawed through
earamittee.

PUBLIC HOUSES CLOSING ACT.
Mr. 00X, in moving the woad reed* of this bill, maid
be had been very much misrepresented. It bed been said that
in bringing in the bill he desired to roistabiith the orgies of
the Haymarket end Covestryotreet. He disclaimed any
snob desire. No man in the hone was more planed with
the result of the moon an on the Haymarket and Coventry-
' street than be wag. He had always mid that this bill wee
directed against edam Thelneretery of State in introducing
the bill in 11164 said "Great evil' arose from kespieg
penones of licensed victuallers and refreshment rooms
e all night, slid the closing of them would tend to
public order and morality." When the right has. barouet
made that speech on the introduction of the bill there wee
sot a stogie mint who did not know that his cheer.
ration referred to the Haymarket aid Coveatry-
street, and there was no sagged' in that he in-
ended to apply the bill to any other
Be admitted that the act had been bunefsekal as regarded
ens or two particular localities, but it bad indicted a very
peat injury upon many of her Majesty's subjects, sod
=cog them were those who attended the Metropoliten
Cattle Market, Coyest-surd's Market, Newpte Market,
and also those who were espied as compositors on the
morning newspapsis. He had presented several petition
'in favour of the bill, end one petitioe had bees presented
spinet it, vin., from the chairmen and secretary of the
West-end Association for this Ss ipmedou of Public Immo-
rality. But this bill had nothing to do with mosality or
immorality. He might motion to the hoses that three
coffeehouse keepers in Covent-garden roads an appli-
cation to Sir Wand Maya* sad to the right hoe.
gentleman the Home Secretary for permission to
keep open their homes for the sale of coffee and tea ; and
althogh he (Mr. Cox) believed there was power in the sot
of 1864 enabling the right hen. putleman to greet such
Sense, yet it wee said there was not, sad there bad boss
meek dimness sad weer* caused to these people. The
home might not be aware that the gates of the Metropc.
Eta& Cattle Market were opened immediately after twelve
o'clock on Sunday night, and them were truss coming up
from all paste of the country to be in readiness for the
sommeecement of hominess at that earl) soar. (Hen, Mar.)
It was no answer to him to say that there were refreshment
rooms at the stations. There wore so such things. But there
were four large houses erected by the corporation. which
used to be open for refreshment. But they were sow shut,
land they could not even let the bonus be open for the poor
wretches to cover the:Delves. He should be happy to agree
to any amendment that might be suggested, which, without
infringing on the spirit of be present act, would effect the
object be had in view in bringing in this bill.
I Coked EDWARDS seconded the motion.
Mr. LAWfiON moved that the bill be read • mond time
that day is mouths.
Mr. HENLEY said that this bill wee a mast moderate
me, and that if with the restrictions proposed in it they
refused to allow persons who were bard worked and really
required refreshment, they might depend upon it that •
reaction would take place, end they would be obliged to
do away with the bill altogether. They were now sitting at
past on o'clock ; were not theirown refreshment rooms open
at that time, and if they who did not work so hard and who
were so much better off required refreshment, could it be
denied to those poorer daises who were worn out with
fatigue The bill of last year was Foamed with a view to put
down cartels proceedings in one locality, and it operated
with great iejusties to persons who were not contemplated
originally by the act. Ho should rapport the bilL
Sir G. GREY said that he was anxious not to see the
good work of bet mission destroyed. The act was not
entirely founded upon the disorders of the Haymarket, but
he had evidence that similar scones were enacted at the
ant end. He stated when be inircrineed the act of last
engin that it was approved of by almost all the more us-
, spec:table class of publicans. If be had not in-
eluded the refreshment houses he had reason to
believe that all the evils sought to be put down would be
simply transferred from public...bones to refreshment
houses. There was, however, • case for the relief of car•
tale classes, and he would therefore not oppose the emend
reeding of the bill. but would move certain amendments on
going into committee.
After • few words from Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Ayrtoe, and
fir .1. Shelley,
Mr. LAWSON withdrew his unandment, and the bill
was read a seined time.
THE LAND DEBENTURES (IRELAND) STAMPS.
The hone wait into committee, and paned a meoletios
preliminary to a bill be' g brought is on this 'abject.
On the motion of Mr. Elena, the select committees on
the Thames and the Chemises and Druggists Bill were Domi-
nated.
The bone adjourned at half-past cue o'clock.

RAILWAY BIAS BEFORE PARLlAJdzwr.—Yester-
day, in the Rouse of Commorsa, immegittee in group 1 B,
the ems of the London, Brighton, and Booth Cant Railway
(additional power th es) war further proceeded with. The for.
%her hearing of North British Railway (Insairade,
branches) Bill, a competing 'theme with the Caledonian
Railway (13616m0 nod Penicsiek branches) occupied the
day's sitting in group 21. Yr. FM*, the of the examiners
ea standing orders, disposed of the Great Southern and
Western sad the Ningbo and Fa:dimly Bills in the Home
of Lord'.
TES FATAL BOAT AOCID&WT OFF SMITH. —Yea-
Corday afternoon the body of mother of the unfortunate ;
iodide belengiog to the training ship Worcester, who were I
drowned by the upeatting of • boat, was pinked up in that
part of the neer known as the Cannons, immediately below
Werdwisk, by a bargeman named ghillie Made.TM body
ma removed to the Woolwich dead Maas, and Mformatioa
wee forwarded to the odious of the Wonsetar, what the
deemed was identified ae being Hoary B. Wilmot/oak
bisreaatioa has been forwarded Os Mr (UAW, coroner
Ur West Sent. Four et the bodies liawe sot yet bees fogad.
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SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TAITKIV3ALL'6.—TatrzeDAY.
Old siaaassams or nottuni with raw Wall except
they alio BP* Naked aitti them some onsetioal pre-
t+tailbastratiass. sae won* dramsSaht that
whea the lest sews in a real and pupils! hich has
bated nearly one hawked years on the same boards was
about to be played out, there would at hut have been a
isle audience snmerioally to wheels the fienl
reaped
eoi la the ourtain. Bat It wee far otharwae, and
arrant the few who straggled into the old
subsenplaarniont for the heat tune there was eq one ney
enough to avail himself of the opportunity for deli
even a few improespin woods by way of epilogue. I
of apeadatiou cm f Mere mats it was all emir ou the path
Northampton =Wag, with surmises and coeiectures as to
the pdacipal hones sal wieners theist,
Scarcely • dome
subscribers were present at any given time &Iraq the after-
noon, and not a bet wan laid anal the room was
about to be closed, when 100 to 40 was laid
twice against Lidaingtoe far the Two Thousead ; 600 to 10
spinet Brahma for the Derby ; Ind 6 to 4 to a " Mauer'
spinet Cambridge for the University Boat Race fie Satur-
day. It is hardly amoseary to moiled oar opening readers
that as Morley seat they will have to travel a little fur-
ther west to the new subscription room at Knightsbridge,
at the angle formed by the junction of the Kiughtge
and Brampton nada.

BETTING AT MANCHESTER.—TarmaDAT.

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CITY AND SUBURBAN.
11 to ',apt Grinder (off) 16 to 1 apt Paris (off, t 100
100 to 7 lloutlealeta t to 6,
to
.)lf 60 to 1— Verger (t)
100 to 6 Mal Train (t) _ 60 to 1 TeAtoo (t,
CHA CUP.
10 to 1 apt Lion (10() RT
100 to 6 apt IA Tosquile (t)
11 to 1 Lord &ALGA 100 to 1— lilibilysee daaa
(off) e ,oft)
ISO to 7 .- Ackworth (1/4 1 40 to 1 Induatry (8 sad
100 b 7 Gratitude ( off)
100 to 6 ..Victorious (o 60 to 1 Vail Train (off)
TWO THOUSAND
Ito 1 apt Mansion (t) 1 12 to 1 apt Otattanoop (t)
7to 2 Breedalbane (ti 100 to 7 Ariel off, t 100
and off) to 6)

DixFifa TO T3lll Mimes. Tarrassaii.—At the
diaper to be gives to Mama. Tattersall .it Tuesday. at
Willis'. Rooms, there will bee great display of ram care,
which the grinners of MIMI miebrated trophies have cos.
meted to lead is celebgedime of the axesios. No less than
100 of the interesting seemeekle et great turf victories
may be seen daring the amt few days at Mr. Hanoook's,
is
Brutoa4treet.

THR WANDSWORTH COMMON JJCLOS

The committee appointed to inquire into the bee
mesas el pneernag fee the polio see hisi thrests, oar
mum and thins wow is and sewed the oar
soda yeeter&y, Mt. Lee= la the heir. Needy lathe
members of the ommaitem wire prelent.
Previous to taking 'ewes ewges lei Wamanrartil'eura.
Mon,
The Hon. Charles Can, the of her Majlei Oewthie•
semen of Woods, was examined with napes{ the mews
rights over Wimbledosnomnirt. Be mid theenthea
had been called to the subject in ooeesgaewee of the tetra-
auction of Earl Spinner's Rodman MIL sewn darted
rights in respect of property at Mortlake. It was a part of
the private property of Come the Third truederred to the
Commitsiothrs of Woods is iBIS, sod afterwards regraated
to the aims. It was situate la lest Shawn
and was called liarch.gatrfarm. The rights he the
crown had not bees settled. Mat eveid that
Earl Spencer denied the existemse el Asthma el eece
The crown claimed is respire 91 emolosed had at l a
Tice parliamentary survey ol 1649 contained various
with respect to the rights of the lord and the tenants over
the commons, and smug the customs of the mart were
the following :—" Every cottager that is a ooppy houldr. of
the said manor may keeps on the commons. Mart the sayd
=seer twentrtave shame two ours tee sue end a malt,
and is to have owe in every them allowed him one cart*
load of oropp wood from of the gellartis of the said oommens
and he that bathe fifteens scree or the great* pied fifteens
sores of oethe herald load h to have the like ItheWs of rem-
mouthy and fireborte." Bs eouldnot tell offhand what the
crown might claim by virtue of that . I/ the
crown claimed ortapethatea far remises s.ata. it wee to
the cue of enclosure. The land ed the crown was amorally
Ist on lease, and the lessee might or might not theathas them
common rights. Be believed the crown to possess the rights
which he bed deirtibed.
Mr. Bose, solicitor, was called sod examieed by Mr. Al-
derman Rose with respect to the stale of Wandsworth.
commas. lie mid —I am the *weer h property cm the met
side of Wandswortheommoo, and have bees so for the last
13 years. At that time there were no enclosures nowt one
piece of land In frost of Mr. Wilson's house. The fast
sa'loo'n made was by the pada al SI. Jae Pieeeny,
for a workhouse or for paradthil schools. ort was by
a railroad ninths, right through the summon. The next
mu for railroad pertness, for thaivatioes to make the ran-
Mehemet' up to the Crystal Pidaoe. There were 13 sores
excavated to • amanterable depth and left% that couditica.
The Dent enamors wee to the Pathetic School. Thee plea
of land were enclosed by Mr. NICOL
Were these enclosures made ander the Enclosure Art ?
No. lam sot aware by what authority they have bees
made. The general opinion is that they have been aide by
no lawful authority whatever. At the Wise I west there
there were public footpaths over the Welsh Witediwcath-
oommon. The whole of them have been stoped up, except
am which cranes is the entre, in a straight-line. - The en-
dow/tree have born made up to the tarries. road in some
inhumes without leaving say footpaths.
With regard to the drainage, is what state was the com-
mis when you weal to live there—lt was kept in good
order thirteen years age by the ishsbilents, who held a
lase. They excavated gravel at
sisals
pone 11 snob
mason as to waver% the wan to ethrtnentod when.
In what state is the common sow?—lt is a meth now.
A great portion of iris under water all the whiten and
was so up to the 20th March. A portico el it is sow under
water. In summer time the water soaks in, bat it leaves
the common in a bed condition. I erteider Wandsworth-
°oath= an unhealthy plus, on account of the west of
drainage. Is tildes times the excavations were Bade so as
to preserve she beauty of the commix sod Its um to the
enjoyment of the public ; bat daring the lest fire years the
gravel has been excavated in extraordinary qua/dales, so
that the common is not useable by the centharters. It ie
full of pile and water ; sod moms him* ago the deed body ot
a man was taken out cd the of these pis.
In the whole area of Wandsworthertomoe is there
rufficient space for a cricket-mood!—There it Doily a small
space near Wandsworth town. The each:wares have been
made ooatiary to the wishes el persons living there ar
having property is the thigithourboed, with the exception
perhaps- of Mr. MlLelle. The interests of the public have
been totally method by the 'oak's' et these thelowares.
The inhabitants believe they have been made Messily, sad
contrary to all right sad judos. Wastrlewartheemmen was
held on ham by a MUM number el the inhabitants cd the
district, in the mate way that Clapham is now held. and it
was kept in order by a public enbscriptke. They had an
open ethos for the public use sad enjoyment. I believe
that • deputation welted on Esrl Spencer to ask him to
grant a new lease, on condition that they would preserve the
park for public use sad sojoyineet.
And what was the sinew'—H. Wood. There was a
00031L00 keeper, but there ie saw at present. Theft was
an avenue of tress a min long, planted by the ishalthents
of the district. The ground has been dug right up to the
trees, ore-half of which ere wholly destroyed, aid the other
half are in such a bad 000dition that they might se well be
taken away. The lest enclosure was made right up to these
kV*. Berl Spencer to the lord of the manor of Ohipham.
There has Mee no enclosure there. I belies./ • saw lease
was greeted 30 years see of that portion of Clapham-corn.
won of which Earl Spencer is lord of the manor. Peplums.
common is preserved to the use ef the public. et a may
small expiate. It is of the greatest service to the public.
Thom is • laree open spice for cricketing, and a hip por
ten covered with rem.
Whit is the difference between Claphamessamon sad
Wasdaworth-common*:—Arrtad Clephsranommos there
are numerous manses inhabited by the rich, the rectal
exceeding 50,0001. • year. and any esclosere would be re-
stated by them. Weitheworthnommon is a poor district,
the residents sinned are few is weber, sad mold sot raise
the money, or have not the courage to costend against the
lord of the maser, be bathes unlimited rertesem sad a
definite object, and they bane. DO dedaite object sad small
rertuices. lam sot aware of enp overtone en Wanda•
worth-cot:mos, except Shoes committed with the sanction
of the lord cd the manse or bin swats. 1 do
not consider the gimes a online. I have never lost any-
thing by them. Bet there are people who coon as Wands-
worth-common who are objectionable. They come from the
gaol at the expiration of their sestemits. and (aggregate is
considerable numbers. They are sometimesitherfered with
by the polio. ' • but I am not aware that they are interfered
with by the lord of the manor. The gaol is situate st the
edge of the common.
By Mr. Lefurt—Before those enclowaree took place the
common was much used is summer time. The popelatkm
of Wandsworth is about 10,000. The Mina Oi open them
is mut more than onnhalf what it was originally. lam sot
aware of soy commoe rights. The copy older' are few in
number, and are entirely wider the Influence ef the lord of
the manor. The Imes so which I allude expired five or six
pan
By theme Chairman—Tootling is at ose end of the cemmos.
Many houses are in the course of erection in the neighbour-
hood. Some time ago I applied on behalf of myself sad
three other persons to is allowed to seeks* • theme opposite
to our houses, solely to prevent any the else from doing so.
The applicant* was math to Earl rotawds scents. That
was in 1860. Is November of that year an answer was
received from them, stair; that Bari Bram was not very
desirous of parting with any at the commas at Wandsworth,
so much having previoasly been enclosed, but stating that
if we were in a position to make an offer it might facilitate
matters.l did not make an offer, sad there the enatter
Byßy Mr. Cowper—l presume the railway enclosure took
place wider the railway art. The enerterte made by the
parish of Bt. James took place ether no sot of partial sank
They obtained the property. at a very low pnes, bemuse
there was no title. The price was about 30s. per arts. I
presume the amount was paid to the lord of tie
manor. Mr. M'Kells .shooed In conjunction with
the lord of the maner. The lord sold him the
property for so moth money, and be put up the
fences. I believe that then is so title to theme en-
closures. The fence, are run up very rapidly, and the call
way to interfere is to knock them down • bet it would be
rather awkward to do so in the outs of a railway company.
I have never communicated with the lord of the manor. No
application is made, because our belief is that it mould be
entirely useless. Math the general opinion.
By Mr. Tollthrtehe—Why did you not try your right by
pulling down the foams is the case ei the lord at the
manor' Because that would be • prat/hasty to a keg
litigation. My neighbour would not find mosey for that
purpose, and ft would have been useless to commence
wiling dome the fortes. I hope the legislature will deal
th the matter. and sot lead us into meant with Fah
Spencer. If I had sufficient money I would meted the
matter with him to the end, but there is no worm form ef
carrying on litigation then by • committee of inbabitesis.
Earl Spencer would hart every advantage in such a ease,
and ought menthe all public rights.
By Mr. Peacocks—Has then been say set relative to
these enclosers except the railminocts?—Noel whatever.
By Mr. Baillie—When I went to iffaedworth the ODOM=
was DOODDIODOIL
By the Chairman—The enclosures would never have been
made but for the expense of litigation being so enensnes.
The committee thee adjoined until after the Widths.

THE LOCK.OI3T LW TEN IRON TRADE. —BuLicora-
HAM. THIMSDAT EVIIIIIO.-111111 ma a large
of the Seemliest's" at the weekly moths of the tasks
this tom to-day. Tbe moieties passed at the oposial
mooting yesterday at Wolverbssaptes was easel dimmed_ ;
the preyailius opium appeared to be that tIMMISIODI‘IIIII
WY the beet that could ban Ma soder pseesat dams.
stems, sad • cos tidiest emeisties was ezormil that V
the matter is let aloes the ma will se is at the 0111111•140.
Meet of ant week, sad the difficulty be pat as sad to. A
meeting of the ma took place at Bristly .= today; a
oronsitioa wee made to the effect that the name should
seek as advisee of L. per toe, but this was segatind. A
motion that they Mars to work was carried. At ems el
the small works opseaticos to,. Wordy ro-eammosti, het
at most et the hose me they will sot begia st 9 Needs,
sat. Messrs. BMWS% of UM Bloomfield works, hams ta
quested us to state that the saseasesosest 11 OHM le
this metubses papers that they bid "satistpater the malt
ci yesterday's met*, sad "made propmatioas he den
some of that works WA Mehl," is entirely —.— Their
ma held a moan this wee*, sad speed to=
widish they did is body early is ne farm. Al
Dawes, at liessolooddeao, sad other large Perko, they are
I Mil steadies eat.
CIYIEAL PALLCHL —OIE SHIELIIIO DAT.
TllOlll/T. Ana 6.—Adzekeiees CS mows, 1.307 ; aro
by mem amok ; keg Miters, 2,d.