The Express.
London, England, 1847-01-21 00:00:00

sugar in breweries and distilleries, and if the house agreed
to at, to propose a bill for carrying into effect the resolution,
Int they did not intend to propose any limit to the time.
I would be competcr.t, however, for the hon. gentleman,
'either by a clause in the bill, or otherwise, to propose that it
I Iral ld be for a limited time. It might be a question for coa-
st tion whether it would not be advisable to pass a bill, in
the rot instance for a short time, proposing afterwards to
continue it.
CAPT. WARNER'S LONG RANGE.—Sir C. NAPIER
wished to ask whether any report had been undo of the
effect of Rut trial of Capt. Warner's long range, and if so,
whether the noble lord would object to lay it on the table ?
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that a report had been made
to the Master!General of the Ordnance, but until he looked
at it agsin he could not positively say that he would produce
it. He did not, however, think theta would be any objec-
tion to do so.
MILLBANR PRISON.—Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished
to know whether there would be any objection to lay on the
table the report of the COMMOOIOII appointed to inquire into
the Millbank prison, together with the evidence and corres-
pondence ?
Sir G. GREY said he had within the last fortnight receives
a report, signed by two of the commissioners, which, with the
evidence, he had no objection to lay on the table.
THE ADDRESS. . . .

On the motion that the report on dui address be brought up,
Mr. HUME expressed his approval of the course which
the ministers had pursued in refusingto become either whole-
sale or retail d.len in provisions. He thought that the
government ought not to have interfered with the employ-
ment of men on public works, but have granted money di
the Irish landlords for the employment of the poor in im-
movements, and thus have made the land bear the burden.
Ile lied hoped to see some allusion in the speech from the
tbroue to the subject of national education, and the further
progress of free trade, and trusted these subjects were only
postponed for a short time, and, with reference to the latter
}le. that all restrictions and monopolies would share the
hes of those which the how bad dealt with laid session.
He should also be glad to see the question dented taken
up by the government, and the same facilities which existed
in other countries for the transfer of property adopted in
this. On the subject of Cracow, heshould have moved an
amendment to the milk and water passage in the address, •
bad it not been for the manly speech of the noble lord at the
head of the government last night, He should like to have
heard a similar speech front the noble lord the member for
Tiverton (Lord Palmerston). The government would
not do justice to the feeling of the people of
England, if they did not designate the act of
atsseity which had been perpetrated by the
three northern powers in the strongest passible Isla-
mise!. Ile had only heard two men express a different
opinion, and he was ashamed to hear them lest night. One
of them (Mr. Disraeli) undertook to show that the treaty of
Vienna had not been broken. The hon. member wandered
about in his attempt to do so in a most extraordinary war-,
he got to Westphalia, and he did not know where the devil
be did net get to—(much laughter)—but he did not Lod at
Cracow. We had better now get rid of all the treaties
whenever other powers chose to break them they did se, and
we had not courage to enforce theta. All these treaties were
of a one-sided charceter—England on every occasion was
made to pay, and when she was afterwards kicked and
abused she bore it patiently, and held bees tongue. (Hear,
hear.) This country had not even been consulted by the
northern despots before the seizure of Cracow, but had been
treated as if she had been one of the humblest states in
Christendom, notwithstanding that those powers owed their
liberty and independence to the exertions made by Eng-
land. (Hear, hear.) We were now paying as hush money
to the Emperor of Russia, under that same treaty. of
Vienna, about 100,0001. a year. He had, however, given
notice of a motion to discontinue the payment, as the treaty
had been broken, and it was only stipulated to be paid as
long as that treaty was observed. He hoped hon. members
would make themselves acquainted with the subject by the
time it came on for discussion.
Col. SIBTHORP said, that looking at the speech as that
of the minister and not of the sovereign, towards whom he
felt every sentiment of loyalty, there was scarcely one part
of it which he approved. (A laugh.) They bad no nght
to call on the people of England to pay for the delinquencies
and absurdities of her Majesty's government towards the
sister kingdom. Then, with regard to their foreign reh-
earse., they glossed over their want of spirit in the affair of
the Montpensier marriage, by what they said raspecting
Cracow. The cowardly system of the present times induced
them to adopt measures ai ich cou:d not tend to rains
Ragland in the estimation of foreign nations. He did not
eapeot that anything would be done for the country by the
peemat aovernment, but if they imitated the conduct of the
lay government, he would oppose them on every measure.
lb. P. SCROPE said, that haring been contradicted
Let night by the right hon. gentleman the Secretary for
Ireland SA to what he said respeonng the powers given to
the Relief Committee, o: providing food for the destitute
poor oat of the toads supplemented by the gorarnment, he
eddied to set MINN right before the hor s. He would
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means of providing hod Cir thamobes. They bad the
means of doing so by lending the money and oleargiog It
upon the poor-rates. When the weekhousse IMO full he
saw no difficulty in providing temporary refeess for them.
In Cutlebar several deaths had token gime. The
crowded state of the workhouses rendered 1 unsafe for
any person to enter them, as appeared from the report of
Sir P. Crampton and Dr. Corrigan on the state of the
South Dublin Union. It was said there was difficulty in
the way of the government obtaining food, but if they
bad placed the responsibility of providing for the destitute
poor of Ireland on the landowners of Ireland, that would
,lave secured a supply of food. He had been informed that
in Ireland itself there was a sufficiency of food for the people.
He bad received a letter from a clergyman in the west of
Ireland, which stated, that" there was sufficient food for the
pepulation, but the farmers were keeping it beck, and that a
screw ougbt to be put upon such fellows." The " screw" which
he (Mr. Scrope) would put upon them was, to oblige them
to thrintain the poor. He hoped the noble lord would, on
Monday night, intimate his intention of thoroughly reform-
ime3 the present SI Ann.
'rite CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
Metruceo had been issued lately, he admitted, empowering
the relief committees to eistribute food of various kinds to
the destitute and infirm, who were otherwise unable to ob-
tain it. At first they relied on the charity of the gentry of
Ireland, but as soon as they found they could not depend on
that charity to the necessary extent, they determined them-
selves to distribute food gratuitously, and they authorised
donations to any amount when the pressure became severe,
provided that come local funds were raised. The govern-
ment did rot take the whole responsibility on themselves of
providing food, but they afforded aid to those on the spot
who bad the best means of applying relief
Lord BERNARD said it was only within the last week or
fern:debt the " instructions" to which the right hon. gentle-
man alluded had been issued. For six months he had acted
more than one day in every week on a relief committee, and
they did not receive a shilling of government aid. lie
thought the most efficacious mode of meeting the difficulty
would have been to suspend the poor-law for a time. That
would have been much better than the Labour Rate Act,
which had entirely failed. It was rather hard to taunt those
connected with Ireland on the subject of a poor-law. When
the right hon. gentleman, the Secretary of State for Ireland,
quoted last night, the report of the poor-law commissioners,
to show the amount of the ordinary poor of Ireland, he
should have recollected that it was the government that
limited relief in the present mode. (Hear, hear.) Besides,
they were promised, in connexion with the present poor-law,
a system of emigration and public works, is auxiliary
measures. He did not object to the extension of the poor-
law ; be should like to have the law of the two countries
assimilated. (Hear, hear.) It was said that gentlemen in
Ireland failed in their duty. but he had a letter from the
chairman of the board of guardians of Bkibbereen
Union, stating that two of the guardians were in fever,
which they caught in attending to their duties at the
workhouse. (Hear, hear.) The mistress of the work-
house, her daughter, the schoolmaster, schoolmistress,
and clerk to the board of guardiaw, of which he was chair-
man, suffered in the same way. He thought it was a most
fatal error of the government to do away with the depots.
The moment they did so prime rev. It was not required of
the government that they should supply the people with
food, but to establish depots in order to prevent forestallin
which was going on toe great extent. Ile wished he could
confirm the statement made by the hon. member for Strand,
that great quantities of corn were in the pomersion of the
farmers. ho doubt some of the farmers had corn, but it
wae for their own consumption. In the Cork market,
which was the second in Ireland, the supply of corn did not
exceed the general average of July. But the fact was,
while they were legislating and discussing the state of Ire-
land, hundreds were dying in the country. (Cheers.) He
urged the government motto lose a moment in supplying food
to the country. (Hoax, hoar.) Lat them charge it on the
country—on any thine—hat let them give food to a starv-
ing population. Latium endeavour to induce the people to
return to their oalimay estapMiess, to cultivate the soil, and
to improve themplaulture el the mentry.
Sir G. GREY-said he bubseed it to be impossible to do
more than millmate the seas of heir' is Ireland. It was
beyond boars mum to areal. sheadmiee now, and to arrest
altogether tite reggae el Abuse alai death. (Hear, hear.)
It vim he oimitiad, the duty of the rimennsent to eyed
themselves eta the mem within thew remit to improve
the mmditiers eltheAmiele and when the pap ware laid
Wire the be.. h welt be seen that se memo which
mai be baseheleny wed bad bets eirsketed. Is
rehresee •to the Wee* adverted to by the
Cbeeseller el the Exchequer, he begged to state that
soup hilliest were being mtablished in all those districts
whom to. &Wm was MIS some. (Hear, hoar.) In reply
to the seerphiat ths lesometber for Shoed (Yr.
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_dad MIMI lei set hem last to the guiedime. the
pepeorwhich weal that* be laid before the Mem west
mph& the reams by which the L= heat bean
actuated. There wee a earf plural • • on the pert
of boards of guardians to shnnk from the onerous IMF of
collecting the out•stsadhq rates ,- and it was the 4=1.1;.[
the government that if they yielded to the plea of s
and advanced mosey on the nominal security of the rates, the
result would be that the collection of rates throughout Ire-
land would cease, and the whole charge be transferred to
the public treasury. When it became known that there were