The Express.
London, England, 1853-07-15 00:00:00

PUBLIC BUSINESS.

UNIVERSITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the motion for the second reading of this bill,
Sir R. 11. INGLIS believing that the bill was a violation
of the Act of Security—that it destroyed the guarantees
which were gives for the sasiuteaance and security of the
Scotch church and regarding the question as one not of
local import, bat as lone affecting the highest and dearest
interests of the peel* of Scotland, and the nation in
general, he begged lean to move that it be read a second
time that day six months.
Lird ELCHO hoped that the house would pass the second
reading of the bill, and that it might speedily become the
law. The repeal of test and corporation acts was one
of those measures which his 'noble friend the member for
London might look beck to with pride and satisfaction ;
and he hoped that he would be enabled with no lies
satisfaction to look bock to a measure which removed
those disqualifications under which the dissenters of
Scotland laboured. (Hear, hear.) The preamble of the
Act of Security, which passed in 1707, declared, In
conformity with the spirit of that time, that testa
were necessary for the advancement of learning, the peace
of the church, and good government; sad, for the same
reasons, he hoped the house would 'section those alterations
which the spirit of the present age declared to be necessary.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FORBES said that the Scotch members with whom
he acted resolved not to oppose the second reading of the
bill, not because they felt it to be conceived in a spirit of
(headline', to the church of Scotland, bat because they were
afraid, if they did not so far accept this measure as a com-
promise, that the measure would be forced upon them in
its more objectionable teem by means of a ministerial ma-
jority. (Hear, hear.) They reserved to this:melees, how-
ever, the liberty of proposu.g alterations in the bill in com-
mittee. For himself, he felt obliged to the hon. baronet for
the interest he took in the welfare of the church of Scot-
lead. (Hem, hear.)
Lord DRU MLAN RIG said he did not think they could
be accused of heats in the introduction of a measure of this
kind, which had beet before parliament for 'secret years
past. This was a purely Scotch measure, and a majority
of Scotch members had always voted in favour of it. (Hear,
hear.) The Act of Security was introduced to prevent the
introduction of episcopalians into the universities. That
measure had failed to secure soy such object ; and he
should therefore support the *timed reading, in conformity
with the wishes of the people of Scotland, and in the late-
rest of tke Scotch church. (Hear, hear.)
Sir A. CAMPBELL felt that the bill, eves as modified,
would be an iafringemeot of the rights of the church to
some extent, but still he would not oppose the second
reading, feeling that it was a compromise. The noble lord
opposite had truly stated that the universities could no
longer be considered as an appendage of the church ; but
at the same time, in another pert of the report, they stated
that it would aot be desirable to have the universities dis-
connected from the church. (Hear.) Oo various occasions,
previous to the passing of the Act of Security ia 1690, the
general assembly of the church of Scotland appointed com-
missioners to inquire into the manner in which the profes
son had discharged their duties. It was not true, there-
fore as had been contended, that the church had no juris-
diction over professors. After hearing what declaration it
was proposed to introduce, he was willing to accept the bill
as a orrinpronhee.
Mr. I" EWDEGATE said the bill having been altered
out of the house, they were I. the position of being called
upon to consider • measure which was not before them ;
and as an English member, he could not assent to such a
proceeding. (Hear, hear.) His main ground of objection
to the bill was, that the object contemplated was the aboli-
tion of all religious tests. The proposed declaration was
copied from the oath taken at the table by Roman catholic
members. What security, then, could it afford for the
teaching of children in the protestant faith? It was, in
fact, a declaration based on a fallacy—the fallacy of sup-
posing that • Roman catholic or an infidel would do nothing
to undermine the protestant religion. It would be far
better to abolish all tests than to substitute such a declara-
tion for the oath now enforced. (Ministerial cheers.) In
Germany the attempt V, separate religion from education had
led to the most disastrous results. Did the house wish to hear
of similar results in Scotlaad ?
Sir 0. OGRYmid, having on previous occasions supported
bills of • similar chum/Mee, he rejoiced that this measure
appeared to hays obleiked Os general assent of members
for Scotland.

if
; - -ier7iiiiLßY Is the doctrine that on a ones-
: bon involving the e of the Act of Union English
1 members were net sollied to express an opinion. This was
• step towsree Mlle er purely secular education, and it
at pm Is ill present scone all security for
reagies would be bet.
Mr. LORRHA RT odd this bill would most injurieualy
affect the present ednirellie system of education in Scot-
land, and if the ernOndMinial ease to a division he mw: vote
in farms of it. (11 or, beer.) Under this bill the pr
o-
essore 0 Scotch mum reifies, Instead of being under the me-
tro' of the thumb, w• old be under that of a body totally
Independent of it.
The house then divided, toles there sppearrl—
For the woad molar . lO6
Against it
Tit. bouts adjourned at 20 es buttes to 4 till 8 efelock.
Tbr house resumed at dr o'clo eh-
_ . CONSOLIDATED • NNUITIES.

f.,01,
The CHANCELLOR M the E ECHEQUEE anM that
he nada tomostrow moor fee leave to bring in a bill der the
remission of the Consolidated Annunko.

EDUCATION 81.[.L.

Lord J. MANSERS mid that the noble lord, although
he signified his intention of sot proceed tog with the Educa-
tion Bill this session, declared that be would still ask the
how to swot to*, prineiph of the bill by moving the
second reading. (Bear, kw.) Re beLnerd that annum
ever member of the iioBlol WM)* WOO with him that it
would be most inconvenient to ask the hot me to enter upon
what might be a tseableseme sea annoying dissuasion of
the principle of a bill whisk it was not intended te peso fiats
a law in the present endow (Hom)
Lord J. RUSSELL said that his objesot in 'reposing the
second reeding of the bill was le sweeten %boaster* of the
objections that might be armed against it so that he might

M able to introduce the benortsersion albs a fall consi-
der►tion of those objeetiona. (Hoax, hear.). Es shovll

still reserve to Miam' the right of combiartairebether hor
should proceed with the wood reading, but Abe brwegbdo
it forward it would be °sly for **rupees belied amer-
tionsel.

REGISTRATION OP ASSURANCM
Hr. HUME wished to know whether the gowernaimb
intended to proceed with this bill, with regard to which
members were every day nativism a great maw Wen.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the bill had beers referral
to a select committee, and without some commuleatian
with that committike it was not for lint to my what wok sid
be dose with respect to the hill.
Sir G. GREY mid it would greatly faeilitats the reale
business U hon. member.who lad bills for Wedseektim,
would give up the siting ow that day to the goversmaat.
(Rear, hear.) The Faetory Bill had been Oiled for a tits
day in Jaly—(lansittee)--aad he wished to know from*,
noble lord opposite whether it was intended to premed
with that bill.
Lord J. MANNERS mid that the right lea. gentleman
bad better put the sgaestios to the bon. member foe Old.
hem (Kr. Cobbett), who was more intimately oonanned
with the bill thinks) was.

THE EASTERN QtJESTION.

Mr. DISRAELI—I wish to refer re the question. which
I put is the adds load opposite on. Monday last,.erith
INN ireular despatak of Count Ilemelrods.
I tbell maimed time it was staled in that despatch that
daespigallea of the Turkish forte by the Esiglish and
iffigebfsmta mend dared by Rossi& ea a need °coope-
d= simillystm to the twatpaties of the principalities by the
immfamairsty. I sasatkeierlidet it was stead in that de-
epateithat when that cemplete satisfaction bribes& granted
by the Sublime Porte to which IL gal wen pub is
it ~ and wham, moreover. the pusses pat ape Teaks.*
the two maritime pawns bad awed, that the impose el
Imola mead than order the withdrawalcf his fewest odPia
his ewe territory. The addle lord, while be very klub
felt it to be his duty to question the propriety of the lost
adoption which was made—samely, that the pessues
the sembined fleets was a naval eseupadea of the dead-
aloes of the Soltaa—said, with virgard to the asesed„ that
his impression was that I was not aatheelsed la the
interpretation I pat on the laaguage of the &spat*.
It has dale Una mentioned by a colleague of the sable lewd
la smother plass that that elesuation of the Retie lord was
made kadverteatly, an inadvertence that might well be
pardeaed as the documeat referred to had only jut arrived.
Bat it is sot in Tetanus to this matter that I now rise to
address a question to the noble lord. The Secretary of
State in soother place has publicly declared that it is the
detenniutioa of her Majesty's government mot in any way
to submit to the condition expressed in so peremptory a
manner by the court of St. reterburg in the cir-
cular despatch, and that they could not for a moment
in their management: of affairs admit as a primary condi.
tion of the withdrawal of the Russian troops the with-
drawal of tee combined fleets from the Turkish waters.
The question I wish to put arm is this—that Male* ea
do that the &egotistical, are sow only formally purrasik
sad that they have strived at a dead lock, sad, thuggish
helleviag in that case that great advantage to the, palls
novice would arise from a disunion of this impwass si►
bat is both house of parliament, I wish to kao'er whelbeit
On mile lord will Ss a day on which the motion of the Ma-
ummlsse for Aylesbury may be brought under the considers-
lea of this house ? (Rear, hear)
Dad J. RUSSELL—Sir, in answer to the question put
to me by the right hon. gentleman, T. wish to refer to the
answer I gave to him on a former de y with respect to a dr
solar despatch of the Russian girderomeot which had re-
cently been received. I read that despatch at that time
only in the newspapers and in a cursory manner. I cer-
tainly bad not made myself completely master of its con-

tang. I therefore answered the right hon. gentleman with
raped to my impression of the interpretation to be put
upon that part of the document which said that the Rus-
sian troops would be removed from the principalities when
the pressure which had been put by the presence of the
combined fleet on the Turkish Porta had been taken off;
and I said that I could not believe that It was intended by
the Russian government to male that a condition of the
evacuation of the Turkish territory by the Russian troops.
(Hear, hear.) I said that in the first place, because at first
sight it did not appear to be so Lid down in tke circular ;
but I said so in the second pleat, because I thought it
GO unlikely that the Russian government could think
themselves justified in demanding that the English
and French fleet should leave the Turkish waters 11
before the Russian troops evacuated the principalities--
(hear, hear)—because in the one case the English and
French fleets were in the waters of an allied power—(hear,
bear)—were there, not for the purpose of putting a pressure
on that power—(bear, hear)—net for the purpose of in-
juring that power in any way—(hear, hear)—but to be
ready with assistance in case Turkey felt itself obliged to
call for the assistance of her allies in case of an invasion of
her territory. (Hear, hear.) But in the other case there
was as actual invasion of the Turkish territory
by Russian troops. (Hear, hear.) There was, there-
fore, no similarity or comparison between the tsvo eases,
and I could not think that a person of the experience and
sagacity of Count Nesselrode would affix his signature to a
document declaring that this condition would be made by
the Russian government. (Heat, hear.) This is the ex-
cuse I have to give to the right hon. gentleman, at the
same time admitting that the words bear on the face of
them the interpretation which he put on them. With
regard to the question which the right bon. gentleman has
put to me, I have to state that he is mistaken in supposing that
the negotiations have came to a dead lock. On the contrary,
both the English and French governments have considered
that there are propositions which may be acceded to both
by the Russian and the Turkish governments, which way
be the means of obtaining a pacific termination of these
=fortunate disputes. (Hear, hear.) Whether or not these
hopes may be justified we cannot know immediately. It
must take some time before we can learn from St. Peters-
burg what is the view taken there of any mode of settle-
ment which England, France, and Austria may hays arrived
at on this subject ; and while the matter is in a state of ne-
gotiation, Ido not think it would be advisable that there
should be any discussion with respect to it in this house.
(Hear, hear.)