The Express.
London, England, 1847-12-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS.—WEnsEaDaT, DEc._ls.

took hia atatc as Deputy

The Earl of
Speaker, at 6 o'clock.
PUBLIC BUdINESB.
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Watwiek and Suffolk; the Mareale of LAN,DOWIIE, from Newport,
We of Wlol,tagnlnst the nion of Jews to parliament The Zarl
of Ilaummenur. ewe petkiene seisinstprieetly agitation In Ireland.
The apt et IL dome" from two pines in Ilampskire, ags/net the
pahilmakm el the . In Wes Dolma' the fle-
simelealem ill moo ostlisils yrker tam the altar. The Earl of
T flum lieglelealkei bast, of Southampton, to favour
et the admiiihm oJews to Praftemiest. The Marquis of Lassrowst
kma Isere etimmilltleammaeme el Dungeamme, !R employment Mr the able-
zla liero etat
111ARINCIfi.—Ctime est Outrage (Ireland); Hallways ;

NOTICE OF NOTlON.—ltomarare. lord Notrsaoto, before
the adiaurnmsat at parliament, ar immediately after the roma, to
bring in a bill for the better administratlca of railway affairs, and
mare effectual audit of railway aeon tuna
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
On the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE this bill
was read a second time, and ordered to be committed to-mor-
row (this day), and the lords summoned.
RAILWAYS BILL.

On the motion of Earl Oaanvitut this bill wu read a
second time, after a suggestion from Lord STANLEY that
power ought to be given to the railway board to suspend the
progress of the works for two years, ao that occupiers and
proprietors of land might not be iaterfered with during that
period, but that at the expiration thereof those works might
be completed u rapidly as possible, provided it was done
with the assent of a majority of the shareholders instead of
three-fifths of thole who sent in answers.
POOR LAW OFFICERS,
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The Earl of ST. GERMANS, in refirenee to several
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employed in workhouses under the poor law, expressed on
the part of the petitioners a hope that the government would
take the subject into consideration, and added that, if the
noble marquis (Lansdowne) could feel justified in expressing
an opinion in favour of the object, it would be gratefully
receive&
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would promise that the
subject should be taken into consideration, but was not pre-
pared to express any opinion upon it etpresent.
TRADE AND COMMERCE RETURNS.
Lord STANLEY observed that as the returns upon trade
and commerce made to the board of trade, and published by
them, were public documents to which reference was con-
stantly required to be made by parliament, it would be ad-
vantageous if they could be presen•ed from time to time as
they came in. The noble marquis probably could give some
hope that such would be done.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE would make inquiry on
the subject, with a view to facilitate that object if possible.
Then lordships adjourned at a few minutes 'before six
o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY, DEC. 15.
The SPEAWEIS took the chair at twelve o'clock.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PET[ lONS.—Mr. J. Wittraws, from unions in Cheshire and St.
George's, Hanoverwquare ; Mr. C. Lawn, from various unions; and
Mr. new, from Si. George's ; -in favour of superannuation for .
law Oh:era—Mr. F. Bawls, from Portsmouth ; Mr. Herr, • im
De ; and Mr. Holm, from Yarmouth i—in favour of the admis-
sioninews to parliament—Mr. Urns; from Lancaster ; Mr. Say.
was, from Lyme aegis; Sir A. Inoue, from Stockport, Norwich, and
Ashton-undertLyne;--against the admieeloo of Jews to parliament.—
Sir B. INN, from Norwich; and Sir W. Rurecorr, from North
Hampshire;—complaining of denunciations from the altar in Ireland.
—Mr. SCROLOWLIk from Birmingham, against the Charitable Dusts
BBL—Captain HAREM, from Christchumb, against the Roman ca.
tholic Belief BilL—Mr. Avows, from Mayo, in favour of a bill esta-
tolirhing tenant right In Ireland similar to that of the province of
Mater.
?5:1281..1tgnj21.(3-NblithWermksi(eitrl'iand)viißi. ILMajorßtiatt
on Friday, to move that the Rouse should not adjourn till they nLad
taken into can/driers/low the state of distressprevailing in Ireland.
CHURCH RATIA.—COL SALWIT, to-morrow (this day), to o,k Lord J.
Romell whether be latent% to introduce a measure to relieve dissenters
from the payment of choreh rates.
THE CURRENCY.
Mr. BERRIES said that, in consequence of the notice
given by the noble lord at the head of the government alai'
intention to move the adjournment of the house on Monday,
a notice of motion of his (Mr. Herries) of great importance'
which 'stood for the 21st, would of necessity be postponed..
lie should have been glad if he could have brought it on be-
fore the recess; but he hoped the government would assist
him in bringing it forward on an early day after the recut
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
right hon. gentleman was aware that it was not kis fault
that the notice of motion was fixed for the day in question.
He had pointed out that the house would probably adjourn
about that time. Al to the proposal of the right hon. gen-
tleman to bring on his motion after the recess, he could only
ay that the right boo. gentleman could command any notice
day after the reeves; but with regard to procuring him a
government day for the purpose, he could not say anything
until be had consulted the noble lord at the head of the go-
vernment, who was not then in hie place.
PUBLIC WORKS (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day being put,
Mr. F. FRENCH hoped the right hon. gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would allow the Public Works
(Ireland) Bill to be read a third time at *nos, in order that
it might go up to the other house to-niormw (this day.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assented.
The Earl of LINCOLN said that as this was the last
stage of the bill, and it had passed through the house rather
hurriedly, he wished to ask if it had received the unction of
the government, and whether it had been inspected neer
their direction, In order to see if its 7,ioeisdow were homed
in the same manner as those of the former acts ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that a
deputation of Irish members had waited on him to inquire
what were the intentions of the government as to public
works in Ireland. He replied that the government was not
prepared to borrow money for the purpose of public works,
but when the repayments were made they had no objection
to re-advance it. They then 'Aced it the government would
allow a bill to be introduced which would enable counties in
Ireland to borrow money for this object. The bill had been
prepared under the direction of the right hon. gentlemen
the Secretary for Ireland and the Solicitor-General for Ire-
land, but when it was intended to endearour to raise money
in Ireland he thought the Irish gentlemen should have had
the credit of introducing the bill.
Major BLACK ALL protested against the conduct of the
government with regard to this bill. He complained that
the public works had not been selected for their utility, and
that they had been carried out badly. As the government
had had the discredit of spoiling the roads in Ireland, the)
ought to take the obloquy of finishing them; for if they
were lefttill the counties could find palms to lead them
money it would be long before they were finished.
The bill was then read a third time, and passed.
COMMITTEE ON COMMERCIAL DISTRESS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that In
rising to move the fi at name on the committee, whisklNS
his own, he should sot say one word of hinved, bat eheeill
proceed to make some observations on the gammi -nears
of the committee. The house had decided thee r s hiamlbar
of the committee should be 28, and the qualm SW OW filr
whom it should consist. Observations had lisammtedhilla le OM
bei g a packed committee' and that he bad sommiel brsdslf
a large majority, and that there ought to be an egelaian ef
several names. He hoped that he should be seqnliesdligua
by those whose names were not on the committee of IMES Ili
respect to them ,• and he hoped, if in the course of the ffila-
mission it should be his duty to speak frankly, he should be .
acquitted of having done anything which was Wended le,
give offence to any one. With reeard to the composition of
the committee, one geneml ground that had been takes ivied
it was, that every clue of opinion was not included in it which
ought to be represented. [(every class of opinion was in-
cluded the committee would be twice as large as it
was, Care would le, taken to bring persons of every slam
of opiniou before the committee, in order to give
evidence. In 1840 the Chamber of Commerce of
Manchester sent a deputation of two of its members to re-
present it, He was sure that there would be no disposition
to exclude such witnesses now. What was required of per-
sons who were placed on the committee was, that they should
be capable of forming a sound opinion. When it was said
that there were on the committee so many officials of the late
and present governments it should be remembered that
there were also the names of those who, when their turns
came, would also be members of the government. (Hear,
and laughter,) There were three members of the govern-
ment—Lord J. Russell, Mr, Labouchere, and himself; and
his noble friend (Lord G. Bentinek) proposed to leave out
the minister who presided over the trade and commerce of
the country. He (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) thought
it would not have been decent in him not to have inserted
the name of his right honourable friend the President of
the Board of Trade. He had inserted the name*
of three of the late government—Sir R. Peel, Mr.
Genalburn and Sir J. Graham, who were all members of the
committee of 1840. There were also three gentlemen who,
as he had said, when their turn came would occupy promi-
nent places in the government—Lord G. Bentinck, Mr.
Berries, and Mr. Disraeli. They had, therefore, members
of the government, past, present, and future, (" Hear," and
laughter.) He thought that classes of opinion on the cur-
rency were fairly represented, and that he had put on the
committee members of every opinion. As regarded ex-
treme opinions against the bill of 1844, lush as the incon-
vertibility of paper, Mr. Spooner represented those. Mr. Cay
ley was also an advocate of a !similar standard, Mr. Hums
represented what was called free trade in banking ; and he
also represented the opinion of the safety of the
issue of one•pound notes, for he had given notice
of moving resolutions to that effect; and that
opinion was also maintained by Mr. J. Wilson::
another opinion, that the mere convertibility of paper was a
sufficient protectior, and that the bill of 1819 was enough
without that of 1844, was represented by Lord G. Ben.inek
and Mr. Herries. The opinion that there should be a re-
laxing power given to the government was represented by
Mr. Olyn and Mr. T. Baring. He did not know that
there was any other probable clam of opinion on the cur-
rency, and he believed that he had put on the committee
some one rah° fairly represented every class of opinion.
With regard to the question as relating to Ireland and Scot-
land, he thought it was not so important to have members
for particular pieces as to have thou who represented the
opinions of those pieces. With regard to Scotch banking,
Mr. Hume held strong opinions on the subject, and it ap-
peared by the resolutions of which he had given notice, that he
might fairly be considered the representative of that lute
and Mr. Home Drummond was, connected with the chartered
banks in Edinburgh, between which and the other hanks
there was some jealousy. The only question to be ecosidend
was, whether beyond a certain fixed limit there dumb' be
an issue of notes which was not guariateed by Mira A.
posits. TWA question was essentially the am loodasi
and Inland, and the Scotch end Welt basks hull &sit Oat
limit for themselves. As to Ireland, thin wee miry
whisk would be so little affected by the bit la tea
manager of the Provincial Bank of Iraiall wee
and It we* found that the amount of coin whisk Shay kepi
was larger than that required by the set of 1846, sad there
was no lemon to suppose that the Natiamal Bask wee tYL