The Express.
London, England, 1847-02-24 00:00:00

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
MOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY, FEB. 23.
The LORD CLIANCRLL
ÜBOR too
BU hi k s seat at five o'clock.
PLIC SINESS.
PSITIIONS.-117 the Date of tine rases, several petitions from
leaemtershire siralnit the Law of Settlement.
TIHRU B.EAD.NIi. Destitute Persons (Irehuid) BBL
ROYAL ASSES .—The royal aim= woi 'circa by cocaminn, the
COnnolaioners being the lord Chancellor, and the Earls of Mint. and
Mattes :Airy, to the following bill.:—Back Whoa, aw., Impartation ;
Sugar in Breweries; dagar to Distilleries ; Pensioners Rilli.
DESTITUTE PERSONS (IRELAND) DILL AD-
JOURNED DEBATE.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the third reading
of this bill.
Lord BROUGHAM repeated his objections to the mea-
sure, and entered his protest egainst it. He thought that
wl,at they were now uoing would be much wane than no-
thing ; it would teach the Irish to place their dependence
on government aid, and that was a lesson which they would
not easily forget.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY regretted that a noble
lord of such high authority should bo found to object to the
bill, at a period when ohmic. every individual in this country
was es ineing his sympathy for Irish diitrtss. The noble and
learned lord accused Irish landlords of living abroad. Per-
haps they were too apt to follow the example of noble lords
who lived in France. (Laughter.) He could not but
deprecate the recent tensional of what was called the
Inds party. He could not perceive any use in the (h.-mis-
sion of measures before they were brought into parliament.
One tend. ney of this was, to lead the people of Ireland to
suppose that the British It gielature were indifferent to their
wants. The union between the lea hrs of Conciliation-hall
and tunny noble peers, for whom he Lad great tespect, was
a very extraordinary none; and he thought it muld nut be
attended with any beneficial result. lie regretted that the
noble lord at the head of the government bad not, when he
assumed Mike, renewed the Irish Arms 8.11. lie thought
that the present poor-law was the salvation of the country,
and he was disposed to advocate an extension of it.
Lord BROL HAM said he had cost no imputations cm
the people of Ireland. lie did not abject to charitable aid
being afforded to them, but he was opposed to their getting
millions by a public measure. Ile would make the same
objection if the measure was intended for the English, or
Scotch. With regard to the charge of his being an absentee,
he was only absent fur two or three months, when parlia-
ment was not sitting, and there were no duties to be per-
formed in the country.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said, that he spent
two or three months of the year in Ireland.
Lord BROUGHAM.—Tout the difference between him-
self and the noble marquis was, that he was an absentee two
or three months of every year, and the noble marquis was
an absentee all but two or three menthe. (Laughter.)
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY said he understsod
the noble and teethed lord attacked the Irish proprietors
when he (the Marquis of Londonderry) was absent nom the
house. lie accused them of extravagance, of keeping hones,
equipages and wine.. (Laughter.) He did nut object to
the noble and learned lord's amusements. Its did not object
to his boar bunts in France, or whatever he pleased.
(Laughter.) But ho had no right to attack Irish proprietors
and run them down. (Laughter.)
Lord BROUGHAM said he had never run down Irish
proprietors any more than he had run down a boar. (Much
laughter.) He never engaged in a boar hunt in any part of
the continent. (Ineremed laughter.)
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, that be would in-
troduce words into the bill which would meet the objection
trAtyesterday by the noble earl opposite (the Earl of
borough). There were also several verbal amendments
which he wished to introduce.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH said, that the Irish party,
as they were called, met for the purpose of consulting what
was best to be done in the present emergency of the country.
It was but natural for them to do ea. Ho regretted that
some provision was not made for more effectually recovering
the rates.
Lord BEAUMONT rose for the purpose of correcting a
misstatement which appeared in the letter of Mr. Otway,
the assistant poor-law commissioner, dated Csstlebar, the
17th of January. In that letter it was stated that Lord
Kilmaine had not paid a great ?ortion of his rates. He
(Lord B.) had bad communications with his noble relit.
live (Lord Kilmaine) and his *amnion the subject, and they
declared that the statement of Mr. Otway was totally incor-
rect, that all Lord Kilmaine's rates were paid immediately
upon application, and that none were due from him at that
time. Ile thought that some means should be taken for
more effectually recovering the mtes,because under the present
system the wilhng ratepayer might be called en to pay ten times
over,whilst the unwilling one escaped without paymg at all.
The evil in Ireland hail arisen more from the want of a
prOper method of distributing the food than from a want of
hod itself. He might also observe that in England there
were only three labourers to every 100 acres cf land, whilst
in Ireland there were eight labourers to the same quantity
of land—a greater number than could obtain employment at
fair wages, and the only remedy for such an evil would be
an extensive system of emigration. (Hear, hear.) He
would further suggest that in all agreements and leases be•
tween landlords and tenants, the four course syetem should
be enforced, with a view to the proper cultivation of the
land. (Hear, hear.) The bill was then read a third time
and passed.
Their lordships adjourned at 7 o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TUESDAY, FRB _23.
The SPRAYER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SECOND READINGS-Aberdeen Harbour Improvement; Yee&
waterworks; Rochdale Waterworks; Ryde Improvement; South
Yorkshire, Dencsider, and Goole Railway (Pentanes% &c., an I Pur-
chase of Sheffield, Rotherham, Barnsley, Wakefiv; I, Huddersfield, and
Goole Railway, Dun Naviention. owl Dearer. and Dom Canal) ; Bits.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
PETMONB.-By Sir F. Imirrit, from Scarborough, against alter.
Won of Novialtioe fawn. Napo MACNAMARA, two petitions Item'
Clare, for immediate relief measures. Mr. T. Desein n., from work.
Mg mes of Warrington, complaining of the confliement of certain
workweek In the pal of that town ; from public meeting held at the
Crown and Anchor Tavern. fur the repeal of the rate-paying clauses
of the Reform Act. Mr. W. Perms' from Warrington, in favour of
a Ten Hours, Bill ; from Bridpott, against the light dues . from •
in the county of Devon, against the law of settlement. Mr. 9.
CRAWPORIP, iron certain persons.' complaining of Captain Wynne,
statements. Mr. B. Ereore, from Mr.Langilale, a }echo In Ceylon,
complaining of dismissal on Wee charges, and for relief. Mr. Fours,
from landowners, b vikers, and others in Scotland, against the Distil-
lation from Suitor Bill. Lord ions Messes, from Forfar, to same
effect
FIRST READINGS.-Rellgions Requseta, Juvenile Offenders bills.
RETURNS ORDERED.-0a the maim of Mr. W. Berm O'Barny,
&return of the number of persons who have died of starvation In Ire.
land during each week since the let November, 1846, as arertained
by the verdicts of ometters inquests; of the number of persons who
have died in each perish in Ireland during each month for the same
perissl, speefying the number who have died from liberation or dim.
ease consequent uninsualcise= food; such return to he continued
t
montliiy dump resent
NOTICES OF tike onoNA-Law or fiernannery Cornarres-Mr.
Basso postponed his motion MI this subject until Toceday, the and
of March. IMPORTATION or SALT INTO I.LAND.--Col. Coven T, NI.-
Marrow this day), to more for repent relative to the Importationof
soft into Tumor Eeotrr.-Mr. S. Caewroau, on Thursday
next, to move foe leave to bring ins bill to secure the rights dome-
Wag mama in Ireland. ABOLMON or Pussonres-roviluvri.-Mr.
ZWART, TORPOR', the 9th of March, to move for leave to bring In a
bill for the abolition of the punishment of death. Taxevios.-Mr.
Swam, on a future day, to move for • 'elect eommittec to inquire
Into the taped
_iency or mitetltuting direct for Indirect LRIRRICIL-
11AILWAIT.-Lord G. BENTINCS to MOT., to-morrow (this day), for a
return showing the mom of money expended by several railway com-
panies precious to 1041, and also the. sums spent to the same cows-
:des in the triennial periods 1541, 1811, sad 1547. Oaxaca.-lard J.
Iffesserts postponed his motion an the subject of Greece until Toes-
day, the 9th of March.
REGENT'S CANAL RAILWAY BILL.
Mr. ALDAN( seemed that the order of the day for the
second reading of this bill be read, in order that its con-
sideration might be postponed.
Before the question was put,
Mr. WARBURTON said, he thought the house ought
to be informed what were the intentions of her Msjesty's
ministers, respecting this bill. They had refused to await
to it " in its present form," but this was a very ambiguous
expression of dissent. If the bill interfered with the privacy
of the Regent's Park in any way whatever, the crown was
bound by good faith to oppose it. Year after year,' the
lessees of the crown in that locality were subjected to all
the trouble, annoyance and expense of resisting this en-
oroaclunent on the privacy the crown had guaranteed to
them under their original leases, and it behoved the crown
at once to come forward and put a stop to the grievance.
Viscount MORPETII said that if it were necessary to
take a division of the house upon the bill in its present
shape, he should certainly feel no difficulty in exprainng a
opinion aeon it. It had, however, been in • to
flit 'Ant the parties projecting the railway were desirous of
reconsidering their plan, in order to modify their bill a al to
meet the views of its opponents ; and as a delay had been
granted • few weeks since at the instance of those opponents,
he thought it only fair that the measure should now be de-
layed at the request of its promotes. Of course, it was only
in his power to deal with the measure in the shape in which
it was submitted to him. In its present shape, he was cer-
tainly prepared to give a very positive opinion on it.
Sir B. HALL hail understood that it was tho intention of
the government to express that night their opinion upon
this measure, and he certainly had felt most anxious to
know what were their intentions. As far as the public
knew at present, it was designed to run a railway through
the Regent's-park, end representing as he did the tenants of
the crown, who had investedlerge sums in the improvements
of that locality, he did trust that the government would no
longer hesitate in stepping forward for their protection.
Sir R. INGLIS thought the faith of the crown was dis-
tinctly pledged to those who had taken leases in the
R.went's-park that their piracy should not be violated, and
he felt that online her Majesty's government were prepared
to say that whatever alteration was made, the faith of the
government should be kept, the house ought to reject this
measure without hesitation. (Hear, hear.) He rerd
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h 6 the question not as one affecting the proprietors of reit ehtd
S .4. villas, but as a question affecting the honour and good faith
,Vi: of the crown.
Mr. WILLIAMS also expressed a with that government
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c yr. • 01. Mr. HUME mid that when they were expending from
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...,,p two to three hundred thousand pounds on the parks of the
O e'te ....-r" metropolis, it did appear to him extraordinary that they
cp.", cey- , should permit this encroachment upon one of inch great
.s(lO, 0.1,,,,,°. gmennodstios and on which they had spent such enormous
s/ ...op: ~.. -es.4e, sane etnooey. He hoped, the bill would be rejected at
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ok_..e• ,s7-Qt '-- premed steed be certainly could not advise the crown to
ites- iAI-xdO palm& to it. (Rear, hear.) But he understood the pro-
letets t, I° Wall wises to amend their 'Aherne in such a way
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