The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-13 00:00:00

unendmentertim w wittiest • graat ; that I should
not Imo ia coming to the house and asking
the hems As n grant for the relief of disease. I
feel will premeds ate to the einetrary—
thrahh ham mill sweat to the great which we have pee-
-1 de Whys, with time, with patience, with a iodi-
nate adepeathe of the remedies, we may arrive at that
remelt mil* we ell helm, that of wing the state of Ireland
impriewei, emil at length happy. (Cheers.)
The Marques et GRANBY concurred with the noble
lord, that netlike meld be more unfair than to visit the
Irish poor with the sins of the imperial government. The
whole policy of the gevernmeat was such as tended to drive
the capitalist from Ireland. He had no objection to the
grant now propeadricat wrested an assurance that the pro-
posal would net be renewed. Such grants were unjust to
the people of this country, whilst they would confer so
permanent benefit on the people of Ireland. It was all
very well to say that, when the home wee on fire, means
:tiz
litb; properly resorted to for its salvation which, wider
cuesmaances, might not be justifiable. Bat what
n security had they that the home would not be set at fire
Mai
CoL SIBTHORP rose, amid general cries for a division,
and intimated his determinatioa not to vote br the grant on
any *maim whatemr.
Kr. HURLS was apposed to the grant on principle and
would vote against the amenament,ln order, should that be
rejected, that he might have an opportunity of voting
ageism the ariginal.peopoeition.
An HON. Mint3lll, who spoke from the beck of the mi-
nisterial benches, said that he would not support her its-
jetty's gdveraamt on fature occasions, if they came down
and •eked for additional grants to Ireland, believing that
the people of this country had now contributed sufficiently to
relieve the wants of the sister country.
Mr. MUNTZ attributed the evils of Ireland to " cheap
prods.* and deer money." He anticipated no Improve-
ment fa the state of Ireland, and would not consent to tax
the people of this country for the support of the pauperism
of Ireland. Some hon. gentlemen had talked much of the
improvement of trade. But so far a Birmingham was con-
ennead, that improvement was not felt. Oar nome industry
there was injured by its competition Into foreign =SlM-
features. (Great cheering from the opposition.) The
km. gentleman then drew • picture of the trade of
Birmingham. He said hen. gentlemen were in
the habit of saying to him, You are finely off
at Birmingbam—yon are all eel employed, and doing a
profitable banner ;" he had heard reads' of that kind at Bir-
maghava. (Cheers tram the proteettenish.) He had gone home
on ffitharday, and did not see • single man to tell him that
trade wee Whir. On the contrary, every one said that
trade wee exceedingly flat and unprofitable, and that there
were no signs of improvement at present, more especially
because they were so competed with by foreign =seem-
turers. (Bedewed cheers from the protectionists) That
very morning, at 11 o'clock, he had met one of his family
who had just returned from the north of Germany,
and he asked him what was the state of trade in
that country. The reply was, " There is plenty of
trade in Germany they manufacture their own
goods there mush cheaper than you can in England, and the
prises yon are selling at, low as they are, and unprofitable as
they are, are net able to compete with the lowneu of the
prices of the German manufactures." (Loud applause
from the protectionists.) A curious cierrenastance hap-
pened to him (Kr. Kuntz) lately. Some three or fear years
ago the for
manufacturers of Birmingham were very
aanons for free trade, and they came to him and
said, "We are very anxious for free trade, and to
have the duties on glen removed. He cautioned
them, and asked whether they were sure they
coup compete with foreign manufacture. " Oh! " said
they in reply, " them is nothing like free trade ;wean com-
pete with advantage." He pointed their attention to Bo-
hernia and other countries whore warm were 13w, but they
said, " Never mind, let us have free hide." Well, he came
with • body of them to the right hon. baronet the member
for Tantwerth, when he was prime minister, and the first
thing they asked the right. hon. baronet was three years'
protection. (A laugh ) He (Mr. Kuntz) felt naturally sur-
prised, and said to them that he thought they wanted free
trade ; but they replied that they required three years to
prepare for it. He asked them whether three years would
be sufficient, and they replied in the affirmative ; but now
the three loss were gone and it was only last Friday that',
he received the following letter from one of them :
Himaingbam. Nr,—Al the bigatt duties on tint-
aims will expire mesa, the bole le, Mar. is doom or eapirbor also
In tbis ontatry—(dudes him the probestioniscs)—owbor be them
coameim whim amanhateraa an prasamed by sa fmpoet asqp Woe
allowed tossed eh thdr prodosame hem this krplag ep at
home by net obtain their markt% at the inns tensnulapos core.
The mannisotararolore are mins to msmortslim hr a continuance
of duty berm Imposed, as that atoms eta pretsetear trade, from the
peculiar natured our marehatere.
(Renewed chats front the protectionists.) He (Mr. blunts)
wrote to them to say that he would do just as they liked, and
that he would introduce them to the minister of the day if
they desired. But this was not the only ease of the kind.
Hon. gentleman might say what they liked about the im•
proved state of beds, but the fact was, there was an improve-
ment of this sort—en improvement in quantity, not in qua-
lity. (Hear.) They might congratulate themselves in the
'env manner as the man did who had the fever for twelve
months, and then rose for half an hour sad fancied himself
a little better because he sat op—(a laugh); but there was
not a solid improvement, and he fear d that things would be
worse. There were half a dozen trades which had
vanished from Birmingham because of competition
on the Continent. (Hear.) The manufactures with
which Birmingham had once had a great deal to
do were spoken of in the newspapers last week as
being in a very prosperous :oat*. He alluded more particu-
larly to two trades—the gilt-toy trade and the bran-founders
trade. He had exported thousands of both articles in his
time, and now not only did he not export any, but, out of
fifty or sixty gilt-toy makers who were formerly in Bir.
mingham, only four or five remained there now, and those
four or five had very little to do. (Hear, hear.) The brass.
founders were also very much reduced in number, and those
that remained of them likewise were not fully employed.
(Hear, hear.) He left the house to guess then as to what
the " prosperous" state of trade really was, and whether
the people of this country should be called upon to contri-
bute to the relief of the miseries of Ireland. (Applause.)
Hun. members talked of the pitato crop ant the potato rot.
Why, dr re was no end of the potato rot. Let the house
refer back to the years 1822 and 1842, and ask themselves
what was the state of things then. Was Ireland then
preperow ? No; wretched and miserable. The rot with
which she was sfilioted was a rot that would not easily be
cured. (Hear, hear.) What was 60,0001. among such a
people? It was like • drop of water in the omen.
(Hear, hear.) He was confident that out of doors
there was • very strong feeling against granting
any more money to Ireland, and that that feeling did not
arise from any stinginess or niggardlisese, but from a con-
sciousness that in a short time the people of England would
want something given to themselves ; and that so long as
they continued to give to Ireland they could not expect a
large reduction of taxation in this country. (Appliues.)
Under these circumstances, anxious as he was to do justice
to his constituents and the people of England, he could not
possibly support the grant.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the house
divided.

r the amendment 125
Against it 245-120
On our return to the gallery we found
Mr. HUM& protesting against the grant, and declaring
he would divide the house on the main question. (Loud cries
of idol)
The house again divided.
For toe grant 220
Against it.... 143-77
DISTRAINING FO tt HATES.

The I:ay. to bring
in a bill to ena►le overseers of the poor, and surveyors of the
highways to recover the costa of distreining for rates.