The Express.
London, England, 1847-04-20 00:00:00

At • subsequent period, Leal Wharnehire informed the 1 cated, or if not Ito completely educated at present as they '
secretary of that mon society that so farthe appointment of ought to be, they are In the way of being so completely
inspectors was counted, ks should and pt the s ime rule educated that it were • surperhuous care in the ktoslature
with regard to that manly as with reference to the National Ito endeavour to assist s cans. already so perfect" I wish I
Society : and be would aft appoint any inepeo without could agree In that representation. (Hear, hear.) 1 wish 1
their concurrence. Tbe iropeteon of the Bridsh end Foreign I could say that voluntary efforts had done so much that the
School Society did not, however, rewding the constitution , education of the people was so complete that we need not
of that society, attend to any religious instruction, but trouble ourselves therewith—a matter which I confess is
merely saw :hit the scriptures were daily read. The grants one of great difficulty and which cannot be touched with-
continued to be made in this form, and various sums were out exciting feelings of all kinds in men of all persuasions.
granted to normal schools. The grant has been increased (Hear, hear.) I lament to say that the cassis far otherwim.
from year to year, until last year it notched the sum of (Hear.) I will not attempt to go into the minute statements
100.0001. When, however, being newly appointed members which many writers have already made on this subject, hut
of the committee of ewancil, we came to consider the state of I feel assured that the members of this house who have paid
education, it appeared to as that a very great number of any attention to it, who have read the pamphlets which have
schools hod been bolt—that as there was no looser such a been published, or who have attended to the state of educe-
demand as three had been for money for building schools— Lion in their own neighbourhood—(hear, hear)—most say
and as there were various deficiencies in the management that the education of the people of this country is still lain en-
and conduct of schools, it would be advisable to make tahly deficient. (Loud cries of "hear, hear.") Sir, upon
minutes proposing • different disposition •f the sum this subject 1 will take the statements of one of the imp.
that might be voted by parliament, and to lay nest' of the scheme, and I regret deeply that he should be
down in those minutes what tee application should be. Ac- an opponent of it, because, from his learning, from his zeal
cordiugly it was proposed ; and the estimate of the present for the public good, and from his piety, he is deservina of
year contains what hie not been given before, namely, a de- the respect of every man—l mean Dr. Vaughan. (Hoar,
tailed account of the probable appropriation f various hums bear.) In an article in the British Quarterly Review, which
to which this money is proposed to be applied. One object was afterwards published with his name, Dr. Vaughan states :
was, to improve too inspection of schools. Although the That the population between the ages of live end fifteen, le the
number of inspectors had been incensed, there were not large, and levee, towns of England, take. together, the proportion,
.fr0m„..,....t....hewh01f.....p0ti1ie.ti0n,..__ Leund,_in dej-sch_
about as
_at soy one...time.
_,
enough to allow of the inspection of each school every year ;
and it was therefore proposed be a minute of council, would be 02,7„„,„.g.ni
that the number of inspectors should be further increased, the remaining number, consisting of greatly more than a third of the
so that there might be • more complete inspection. whole, must be reckoned ae not found in any school whatever, day-
Another object which it was proposed to consider wu the school, eeeningischeol, or Sudsy-echo& To that, reckoning the
payment of some of the hot ain the better-managed schools, t..t.,10.070:1a.t1
the the two zunttorix,
tareen .°d
um
so as to enable them to stay • longer time at school than they ' a..,.. ,_..
s4,weatio.,of this latter number something lees than a third were
have hitherto been able to do. It has been a general corn- tood in dayscbools, considerably lean then • third in Suodayesettools
plaint of those who have taken part in education, whether era', and nearly 1,501,00 u in no school whatever.
hdonging to the church or the British and Foreign School Ile then says ;
Society, or any body of the dissenters—in short, of all who it may be said to be unreasonable to expect that the education of
take an interest in education—that the system of monitors the people M this country should extend over • period of 10 year-.
which had been originally established by Mr. Lancaster and tie it so. Let the eosee be minced ever one hall. TWA would give
Dr. Bell did not answer, on account of the earl twice 1,201,,000, instead of once that number ; Ent even this would
y age at
leave you nearly 1,230,000 souls to be thrown upon society every 10
which children left school, so that a boy who had only years, who have never had a pines in nay dey-echooL
had • year or two of education himself wan Sir, the statements which ere made by members of the
unfit to give assistance to others. It was, therefore, pro- Church of England. by Dr. Hook, and others who have
posed that • certain sum should be allotted to each school written without their names, but whose writings show
which the inspectors shall have pointed out as efficient, for a great understanding of the *object, are all in opposition to
the purpose of inducing boys to remain tome years at school those made by Mr. Baines, and though thee vary in some
to enable them to be competent teachers. It was proposed aLso particulars, they all agree that the state of education in this
where masters gave their time to those pupils to render country is extremely deficient. (Hear, hear.) But these
them efficient, there should be • certain money allowance facts do not rest sod ly on the minute calculatioue which have
to the masters for thus making the scholars more efficient. bean made by them, and by statistical meiotic', of the num-
It was proposed in same other school., in which there were bey of children who may be found in day schools. They
monitors, sod where pupil teachers could not be at cone rest also on the evidence afforded by those who came to
established, that those monitors should receive a sum of Omit their names in the registry of marriage, and he others
money to induce them to remain at the school, and thus who came under th• cognisance of various authorities. From
become stipendiary monitors ; and that there ahould be the registrar-general's report it appear, with respect to per-
an allowance to the masters for teaching and training the sons marrying that forty out of every hundred who
stipendiary monitors. It was proposed, likewise, for the came to insert their names were not able to write,
purpose of improviog the normal schools, that and that thirty in every hundred were not able to read.
a sum of money should be granted to pay Such is the state of education, notwithstanding that the
those pupils who should be the mat promising, schools of Bell and Lancaster have now been established—
and who should be recommended by the inspectors of the those of Lancaster for forty years, and those of Bell not
sehoole, together with thou who locally conducted them, for much lees; and notwithstanding that voluntary education
the purpose of being trained for those normal schools. And has been since that time doing its utmost to overtake and
elm that there should be an augmentation of the salaries of suhdue the ignorance of the people. (Hear, hear.) But
the maters of schools who had been trained, and who had every one mud perceive in other documents of various kinds
eeceived certificates of efficiency. It was further proposed statements with regard to the total ignorance in which a
that there should be • nut of money allowed for encouraging great many of the youths of this country are with respect to
the (urination of workshops and gardens in connexion with any of the duties of religion or any kind of secular unarm-
s:shook, an addition to the present system of education which lion. The reports of assistant-commissioners and others
has been often recommended. (Hear, hear.) Sir, it has state that in many cases they have no knowledge whatever
always been my view that yea never could efficiently rare of any religion, that they are not in the habit of
the education o this country until you have raised the con- sttenthng any place of public worship, and that even the
dilion and prospects of the ioolmaster. (Hear, hear.) It names of God and Christ are unknown to them and uncon-
has been toy view, often expressed in this house, whether in nected with any habits or notions of religion. (Hear, hear.)
or out of office, that the drudgery of a school, insufficiently mil years ago I referred to some statements made by the
emended, to ded, and leading no prospect of silvan- chop tun of Preston prison, in Lancashire. I consulted the
rage, was such that men of talent and ability who report made by that chaplain, who took great care to inform
were trained to that purpose could not but leave himself of the condition of the prisoners brought into that
their employment in • great number of instances far ether hear)—and the re port which he wives is owe
and more profitable etnoPatioat (Hear, hoar.) Ilis vim whidi *Lek must coovince every one as to the question
I have found to be continued by all who have had- 'whether the people a Mie country are sufficiently alumni.'
to do with training schools. I have heard)ha
without number that after the training has been eat sa=g•att=ejLea three Tan obwienom;_rmet
a certain extent after the schoolmaster Ise bees midellibek maid le tut ewe= Zeta
the very best of those schoolmasters, seamy the egespetleme tholilthild:.'llahlaiddlo a loredthell
which offer for perm= of talent in this en retry lave hued ummot "II so Elifiefh oat WY laneeersdllthlho
le yen tant mesi ane Own amillineenwo
opportunities tar moos tempting, and abandoned their .6.3...0. tome moo oi so
former imp%) meat. I consider this a great mi.- ma bc,,....a IN J.Ls so s sel__._,„=
fortune. I think there is no profession of mom or emelomewenne==oreeel ween=sseetTeriFlligea.
importance than that of training the youth of the " hied** er v,iemi. wee to speak UMW le ati Legimit
working classes of this country (cheers) ; nor can there he a &.1 mad Milblvldi 2111.1" bails sing ISt Wow alador.l:2
greater difference existing than between the schoolmaster 11.........„1nimm11r0110g0bar chrhito kimmedmi de
who is incompetent and unwilling to perform his duty, and Zie7=Sedsmsthiesseliterlessenee seotalbsstne7WsymeolmssoporoseaSlettrewatiodee-7Mtothee
one who has both zeal and ability for the task. In the ta mew.,
former instance you find that the master teaches his children (Hear, hear.) He goes on to say that with respect to many
by rote ; teat they learn to read, but do not understand of those who had received school instructian, no ideas wen''
'what they have read ; and they have the greatest dislike to attached by them to what they had learned. -For instance,
their attendance at school. You find that whilst there are having rood shout the marriage at Canaan, in Galilee it no
atone boys who, ow* to their quickness and cleverness, are pima fug the word . im.rhge - was totally unteitigibas
tayourftes of the master, a Feat number, perhaps the majo- to them With respect to the education of the male primuna
nty, go eat of the school nearly as uninstructed as they went Mr. Clay glees the following table :
into it. With a good schoolmaster. :ces the contrary, tt Usable te met, 104; reed taly, 41; read, write 111, 79 ; reed ast
Owe is quits a different sorts of things; 'mu find the boys writs yak e; manor onsatisa, acme.'
mot only read, but they know the sense of what they have Then, tli Seafesaltln militias knowledge, we find— '
mad ; and whether you examine them in grammar, histo, „"Intrenr, of 1111 Illnkies. mem, sad =INS lO_repr.t the iced.*
or upon what they have been reading in the scriptures, the. larhre 4hy., owe .11. j.o.67risar=.,
withpsst ::
give the informatacia required ; they follow with interest end elementary troths st religion, SI; that general' Snow
eagerness the teaching of the muter, and what they have Leda level to on •de 1; tiunw., with ibe
learn makes an immersion on their minds, and they are not reripturee, sat wet mar"
merely able to reed machanically, but their hearts and affec- In another table be gives t e make know ledge possessed by
- none are touched through their understandings. I find, the Bute prieweem
likewise, in such schools, that a muter watches tie dimosi- "Unlit mums the months et the year, 90; ignorant of the name
<toe of the children, and takes care that those of slower and- Zed" roffinialflaweellfai WI: Memo, of the north ' virtue; 'Yice,'
lect thin the reel are brought up to obtain a competent naril "a171.181"0"Indred• 7."
_ by many other statements of a dollar
knowledge of the' business of the school, and none leave the '
kind, allsetretaload to the conclusion that the persons
&shoot without a considerable degree of instructing. If I
have
represented at ellcorrectly the difference between o lizowesingbtsbia,toZatipeigan, and it is in a county remarkable for
folly as aa average with other counties es to
good schoolmuter and r bad one, I ask the house, with con- '"'
dr umber of ile Illissis and the means of education which
advice, if it is not of immense comequence to endeavour to es penises-mil
fa • lame table state a ignounee. (Hear,
sake the sehminmtees worthy of the important task he- ..hoeetiolsn it ippon to me a very shocking thing that
posed oat them, so that they should be fit to teach their
when yes do give instruction at all •till
yon
Defer give i a
scholars efficiently, and be able to look forward to some no
these pence' are sent to gaol for some crime. (Hear, hear. )
ward or emolument, not commeosurate, because notbing we
the There am many letten is this report from prisoner'
an Mr" would b• eeh ,but
ono
e° the° ie et Present who lied been in prima, who afterwards ards conducted
case 'nth the important denies which they have to perform. ~___,..„.
bly, earned an honest livelihood,
and 'the station they hold ins 'the country. (Hear, hear). "'etr"'"'
and who the day when they catered a prison, having
. These is Weddell's* a preposition, with respect to which so
moo* probably will be expended is the course of the there tleiiiitb• elements a knowledge, and learned to
under themedees as christians and as good members of
present year ; bat theee nay be in future yam, Hate grant ...„,..„. (tea) Is h met desirable that, before they.
es coatieued. The proposition is to Rive retiring pension". to Worhetheeikiloo,
while they are yet young and (amnesia=
lelhOoliossOlSS ' who have been worn out in the ounce ....., a. _..._s___a_c_ ....__ „...._____ _ .
—Cheer, heer)—and often dad themselves, after performing =lmo toot"'""7,l7"tio:l4l,bo"'"ltt:rbt°, °pa:lda:lool4d vi
e•,
rapeseed* duties, with namely bread to est. I 110 "^*
geambeeimerms, te kapres them with the elements of
set feel that for having proPmed thee I. ler"' the quality religlea ased a trek, sod le give fleet that secular know-
,of the , and the condition aa quality of the ledge whir& will be el mie to them lit after-life ? (Cheers.)
schoolmasters, twe are deserving of those denunciatima -wttf the swim Of this SISOMIO. when 'Peeking
gad threats which have been poured out so abundantly upon '-''
,a_t.„.• tuislah.b.lie smet.ing:Pu irrishe
weseseteopells..,
opear;gnst it, had put
re.- (Hear, hear.) I think it might have been said, are , a queation in
you doing nothing more ? It is all very well ea far as you '"""
writing froma person in the foitiy of the meeting, which
go; but IS not equal to the imraen.sity of Weevil, and a ~... to thee whet ,
" Is it set better to put up • puidopost
larger and mom comprehensive plan ought to be proposed •••
at the • 'of a man's lifer, than • gibbet at the end of
(Hew, hear.) But, whatever may be the answer to that , .. „,
~..1 i.i holy. Barnet
mad.l alto_uldairminot suit the the cuomqmnienckt
"whaincyli.
observation, I do feel that the plan we have proposed has
raised a question of the greatest importance among the
.'_ Rev.
public, and that the objeetioas which have been stated affest "s could Int to take advantage Of such an incident. ,' Ho
comment was, " But what if this guide-poet should lead to ,
• se vitally the whole question of education, that I cannot even
the gibbet ? " That was the quick esply, and likely enough
• omit this opportunity of taking some notice of the more
it was to catch the applause of the meeting ho was address-
prominent of thou objections. Sir, I have said that, with
tee beet, not wed. any
_.,ing._.,,...8n_t
_h_subm,..it to.t..hlthh_towin that_s......ltheele_le n_o_s.thiug,
_isi.elte
respect to many' parts of this subject,
ettenation from that which hat been settled in former years, Trf,'"f_l_ f:r_m_,‘"'.,.._.7,=.7rfrit ii-a._,..„,„,,,,._„,
'end which lies been repeatedly agreed to by parliament. :: rf--72-2.: .the Chunk
go:e. , the 7:ae:regr.
Per instance, with respect to what Is stated to be 'Ol, nothing
tr,‘ is tie
. mast the dime** of masters
the une'sestiestimAl "ear° of the ' batty 6° whom connected with the British and Foreiewlgelsool Society ior
this rant is L. be eness"eedt I staid hate "age° in that givers* the Wedemos ; whinlajledfies any ratnio
.it meat be dear that nothing ie ware esesrAtetiseal sapn" g that thief* to he ea education Welsh is to lead a:mae
than for "al". et the era" t° " air 111.17 for WI." to the gibbet. (Hew bear.) Betamedwr Sour.., which I
pimposes, to explain the isaranaft is whisk that as
utale, . was very may* keens, has bees aka by a gentleman
be spat, and te deptd er • vele a the Hemet! Omemeses who has made bilemelf very premamma k the whole of this
whether or ett that messydrahl begrastel. HUI devoid tiktootioos
k width he austere kid lispeedes which 1 am
have thought stilt Ism weld ban bra the *Wits with
regard tot he thotototo el gash a committee ottosson, when
.serar.a. Imaisblisee 'buys.
vat
ifteites sedimeabssisidek iiir....i.t.a.thiswhalito.upee..will,
I Mead that, dem ISM et which time there was • great '--s
WOOS we moist by WOOD lass the exemides of crimes, to
deal adieu:aim es this 'abject, up to the present day, that doter utomoomittoot thowatoothot
some
which
will low to
usestise hat hardly hew mooted. (Hear, hear.) But .
'whether emir erne gmenwest or another, with respect to ertTe.!•„ ~......(12.11, 1411/I,W2Ma ..,Z.l,_.
AN WWI Of INS Ind 11141, mid from then to the present sar'ers."7, ai^etworie Thels7thollanhetherehhhhre
=ykey lisee,line peel& with little observation—with Kest, nnssugg sunsigg smog rimssoiyisn—wign way
any elteetise-i-ema die part ,of this house, and heathen& awl lintel i, me beet la
have hew entreated •le the existing committee of comMantim des rwei Ist Is pese—sehm far
welled. And if, Mn, I should not have expected =tilln
esite.i= ere fame In Mathetty
re* 4=o maid lave bee raised, "It 4 all with WU* NOM 1141101111BNO, ems with the Webs* religious
ahead 4 suppeeed they weeld have bean made by the
very* whim they have bees daily raised, because it dos lia: falliMs stakmeat Went with what I have said, but it
1116 liagria—aad the jeered, .the house will attest the gess op to say:
feet—lbal degasliest at mimeo Mmominaticom of dissenting Oa mei elms es kw I have tee remarks*. make—lab that they
esisiesei is ireeks, ma wrier dissenting ministers melt beaker ha eat of sewn in any Mews a the eud
thamegket the :pastry, appiateded the gevereaset for elewildt
_tenti,f_ Waves the stews herein Ahem,
Ole Gould ea, melte soy nes of orb
yodel, money for canonise' to ho stressed be a now. ''`'.l.loisw
sillies -of courdi, sad supported the gevermiseet a that h .0. ...rue" kiln.' to shinliatikeZ=te.chi
day to limb' Prolstitiam• (Load 'balm) I Irv* there- isms be made As •WW-pg:iati.. IR ...isims•st 'Mersin
fore, air, that the objection es to the sumnittee of council of Week et the purr et the people thumb= le Overtake
rained in lei), sad gives ,up is 1840, will not that Tint. •
now again be medilmed lbw: Mk* and be brought to bear The meanies of this perms is, tar thew is a certain class
mdast any von far the seasteste efedeestica. (Cheers) of prow of this kind which is Mad In sonnexion with
Sr, week, is sated, which wink goes to the vice and crime, heaths ignorance sedbratal seneality, and
while dsmdneGn if this grant, and gees, indeed, a great that in this conned** they leer be left ; that for them the
deal laden dial tics grant, and miry- other grants of this woes of education an set to be provided; that in our cal-
bent It hiedi thatit is altogether • minks for the state minim M what is the west el mhseation in the country,
Mitim any omistemes for the lapped ef tehmatim. It is fiber is m" be wired ; that for them, indeed, there
aid, no desk% is the bedew of the tto repress is ingebanneent, asperktdoe, and the gallows ; but that
Wer--se desk ate the heirs edtk government to ism- milder mod seem fekrisse shall not be introduced
pass, le teempert, wed te exemete empathy, if seeeseary, ameaget them I that Mire is not to show her
the. tote minima erara—yet the date an have me busker awed hest me** tom, and that the schoolmaster
whatever with edemedes—lbet the state has notbng to do shall use *gen le km Mat knowledge by which their
with midenvensisg, es tar es it shall be t Mader* issylemade emaelk ; that all knowledge should
proper at dee time, to deter the yaw( *•m be eamelled, or, I sheeld Whey say, withheld from them,
des semadethes is their after see ot these- erase sad get they may be left ht bushes, helpless degradation.
whisk mar berg *ea Ora the penalty of the law. (Leal Ti seta pre I never can give my consent. (Loud
Wert) eir, Ma segestent, if Wise married out to its fall NW penal .) At such a proposition coming (tom
cies% sad as fir me I see it is 'imitastled to be, would go a of great intelligence, and belonging to
very far bawl. It read go, set wag le amthsequent grant a =ea in this autairr which has been so liberal of
in the aitimatei, the gnat ef sues ey for education in Ire- its cored, ag ***, gigi et its tun, in behalf of education,
h,d, ass so maTicogs MOO le Wakes, at different deno- Ism emeallogly esuried. (Hear, hear.) It shows le me
isinalisem—to the mime denim in Ireland, to the assistance to what pas ere einem' le bawl mow" when they
gnaw be the misistem of the Church of Scotland, and to any are omens • mime whisk holds out a mortar
=eta landing art misting schools in oonnetion with mamma of Weensgoa het this mammy elem.. (Chase t) I
NA ihosh (How, bear.) Indeed, it is intended coleus I da, eel seMelela astsavasass strosaseissa that
I. founds this t, if it were conceded by this how, tempuras, ad set seemed is evereneinsi the Artie and
Has an ftpr,t, of gageltion ST religion by parliament is resistance of • gent member a Me lower etas stela di-
altogether cerobeedis, and shat the voluntary system ought seription—thet mend and riotous omen will
tot. th, ,oh es item funned, ei•her with reward to relioion or not lead many into the phleatirersaime; but still I trait that
education. lam not now going to discuss that larger question, the number may be diminished. (Hear, hear.) I trust it
but I believe the areum-ot is urged for the purpose of saying will be restricted by showing that education leads, rot to the
from h
if the grant was reje owl on the, ground of interference with path of duty only, but to the path of worldly advantage ;
reilgioae «foes, ion. haw tar the monopoly of it should be in and that by this mesas many will be rescued the pat
the hem& of one body enlled the Church of England. But Maims. (Hear, hear.) And if the attempt is not moot
IND sue, that at th pre:ent time sod no the present seen- successful than we can hope—if hut one third or one-fourth
rain-1 ward not do me • than say such a deauc:icn ought of these penises are re.nund front their evil ways—stilt
nit tilt ' roe tie from the premises. But it is said "there I say we have performed a duty. which is incumbent on us.is ,utfii isoa do :e Mr ~diu,,tion already--there is no need of It will enable to with more stusfaction to ourselves, to oh
arty forth r aseist...ect —the people ol Hoglend are so edu serve the working of puuishoient which the criminal law