The Express.
London, England, 1848-05-06 00:00:00

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thought that the present measure. greatly amended, no
doubt might meet the acknowledged want.
Mr. DIVE f f had so decided an objection to the principle
of the immure, that he could not 'amnion its further pro-
pew. With all due respect fur the noble lord at the head of
the Woods and Forests Department, he did not consider him
More elipecielly with his infinite other avocations, at all the
matt who could properly carry out a meanies of this kind,
and he was quite as tonvinced that the country at large
would not submit to au arbitrary system of centralisation
plated in the tomes of Mr. Chadwick. (Hear, hear.)
Viscount EBRINOTON contended that there WAS •
general demand or the measure, end, in particular, on the
part 01 Exeter and other)arge towns.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND characterised the whole of the
ease, git up be intereated pantie.; against the local bodies
throughout the country, as full of the grossest exaggeration*.
He had an entire ebjection to that system of centralisation
which wan as popular with the present govermuent. and
which, in his epinion, had produced much of the evd which
had manifenti d iteelfin the administration ot the new poor law.
The grand feature in the meneure, in the eyes of genii. men
on the ministerial benches, wits its proposed appointment of
some halt iFzen comininionere, with secretaries, aesietent
secretaries, and inspecton infinite, with indefinite pay out ot
the oonsolideted tiled, and with unlimited power over cities
(London), with esutious judgment excepted (hear), tow us
and counties, streets, squares, and allies, homes and cottages,
chapels and enurches, rates and paymeuts of all orts, with
powers in a word to meddle and make with everything and
everybody, unchecked by any one but the noble viscount
opposite end Mr. Chadwick, an excellent protection fur the
country. lie contended that all that was needed was the
appointmeitt of a single efficient commissioner, under the
direction of the Home Secretary, for the purpose of visiting
the various tennis throughout the country, and enforcing
the etre:maim cal tneir duties by the local boards.
Viscount motiPET H hoped the house would go into com-
mittee on the bill. He should ho q site ready to take into his
contideration every practical or real objection that might be
suggested. Ile would, for instance, admit that he was by no
means jetties,' .sed to enter upon the discuesion et the nue.-
tion pro:cute:tit by the hon. member an to the propriety of
limiting the duration of the commiesion. He was also quite
conscious ot the many difficulties that surrounded the
question of sauitary legislation ; and he had smopnek
as tar as ee had been able to do so, the va-
rious imearstions that had been forwarded to him
from ditterent parts of the country. Ile must
take the preseut opportunity of denying that the powers which
were sought fir the commissioners were of that arbitrary
character which had been attributed to them. As to the
powers given to the Board et Privy Council with refereuce
to the control of the lend boar. le, they were no more than
what had alriudy been sanctioned in respect to the local acts
of the blunicip d Corporation Bill. He had the satisfaction
moreover to te• able to enure the house that ho had
ale ady been made aware of the fact that a large
body of the clergy had given their approbation
to the bill proposed by her Majesty's government.
The hon. m. meter far Stafford opposed the bill; but he be-
lieved that the hon. member's feelings were not participated
in by his ronst.euents. He (Lord !deep th) held in his hand
a petition from the inhabitants of Stafford, complaining ot
the wretched sanitary state of tbst town, and praying for
legislative in erfeneece. Thin petition was eigned by all the
clove. all the medical phofeeshm, except one, and all the
members of the corporation. He proposed this bill, how-
ever, not as one supported by doctors or clergymen, but as
being essentially the pour man's bill. (Hear, hear.) Us
wished to say a few words now on the much vexed question
of centralised n. And here he would say that there was net
in that house a greater friend to a well-arranged municipal
and twat govern- ent than he was. He knew how inti-
mately the prime' le of local Roremment and responsibility
were ints r woveu with uurEnglishnotions and manuers,and he
bad, there.ore, al w s von din favour of motions for the eaten.
siouef municipal institution. But this bill went to extend local
powers net to d, etrny them, It would give powers of light-
ing, (leveeing. and cleansing to 92 towns which hid no such
powers at present, would secure them to 1,58 which now
had only divided or res r,cted powers. Of 296 towns which
had no local act., and 165 towns which had only restricted
powers, this tell would center full and complete minus of
sewage, el. awing, belying, and drainirig. But some central
control was also intended. He had already explained hie
notions ou this head, and had thought he had la' istied the
house; tint, lance then, he had been assailed in many gear
tell for attempting, as was alleged, to carry the prince; le
of
centralisation too far. He had accordingly taken into his
counsels men well aomuainted with local questions, and
had determined on centred cot,trol to this extent. A power
of revising the boundaries of district+, an appeal in cases set
difference, and a litter of auditing accounts where disputes
should are e. However, if in committee objection elieuld be
taken to the limited control he propeeed, he should be prepared
to pay the moat respectful attention to any suggestions that
might be made. Allusion Ind been made to a document
emanating from the hr alth t f town* commiseien. That
document was anonymous, and he did not wish further to
allude to it Hie vie. et was to advance tke health of the
people, not to thaw Soul water on those who might differ
with him in opinion. A great deal was said about the rights
of Englishmen,tint let them take some care of the lives ot
Englishmen. Ica*, hear.) Let the house recollect that
while they were legislating thousands were dying under the
influence ot our present wretched sewege and (treillage ; and
let thaw expedite n bill which he confidently asserted might
be ailed a bill for promoting the health, the comfort, and
the morality of the peeple of England. (Cheers.)
Mr. SUCRE averted that the inhabitants of Exeter bad
spent 100,0001. on drainage, and were not, therefore, to ue
stigmatised with having neglected the sanitary condition of
their town.
Mr. 11. BERK ELEY said that the hill was highly popular
with bie constituents, and the only complaint was that the
City of London was tieluded from its operation. (Hear,
bear.)
Lord LINCOLN (amid cries of "divide") should not
have made an ienervation but for the last speaker's reference
to the metropolis. Ile was bound, in candour and fairness,
to state that he was one of those who advised the exclusion
of the metropolis from the present bill, with a view to
another and a m ire comprehensive measure. With reference
to the question of centralisittMn be thou' I not go into it now,
for it did cot aroe ueon this stege, but he should be prepared
to deal witk it on n euture occasion. At present he should
vote for Rohm into committee. There wee one other
point—(shouts of "oh," amid which the noble lord sat
down).
Mr. SPOONER moved the adjournment of the debate.
The house divided -Ayes 54
Noes 229-175
Col. SIBTHORP then moved that the house do now
adjourn.
Lord J. RU SELL had hoped when the house had
decided by a huge majority to proceed with the that no
further ehjee ion would he offered. As, however, some
hon. gentlemen opposite appeared determined to force the
house to diviai in after division on the question of adjourn-
ment, rater than occupy the time of the house by dividing
he would consent to adjourn the debate.
The debate was accordingly adjourned.
TOBAGO RELIEF ALIO IMMIGRATION INTO

BRITI6II. UUIANA AND 1 IaiNWAD.
The report of the committee thereon was agreed to, and
leave to b-:ng io u bill on the ',object was given.
The house adjourn( d at I o'clock.

Vie eitegigi•

MAILS.

The overland eloped mail.,, ri43lars;llee, to the Mediterranean,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, iloag-Kong, ate., will to made up on the
inning of the 9th May.
The mails for Vigo, Oporto, Llnbon, Madeira, Cadiz, and Gibraltar
will be made up on the morning of the 9th May.
The nude for Pritivb North America, and the United States,
will be made up nn the evening of the 12th May.
The West India Mails, excluding Bermuda, Norio, Ifiranna,
Madura..., New Orleans, Vera Cruz, Tampico, and Porto Rico, and
including those fur Madeira, Jaemel, Card:tarn:l, Narita Martha,
Chagrin, Panama, Went Cauit of South America, and St. Juan-de-
Nicaragua, sill be mute up on the moining of the 17th May.
The overland wail• fot Gibraltar, Malta, Greece, the lonian Wanda,
Egypt, Aden, Ceylon, India, along-Kong, and China, via Southern/.
ton. will he made up un the morning of the 20th May.
The mails for New South Wales, Van Dieatan's Land, and New
Zealand will be mole up ou the evening of the llet M .y.
The mails fur the %Wet 'loot of A.fra and Medeirn will be made
lip on the evening of the list May.
The mails for the firming, the haver Plate, Monte Video, Pernam-
buco. Baba, Madeira, and Buenos Ayres, will be made up oa the
evening of the 3rd June.

NOTICE TO ADVERTISERS.
The number of STAMPS issued by the authorities of the
Stomp•office, during 1847, to the

DAILY NEWS was 3,447,009
This, we believe, is within eight per cent of the number
issued to the Morning Herald, Morning Chronicle, and
Morning Poet, ALL PUT TOOETHEIL
In addition to the above, issued to the DAILY NEWS,
korning Paper, there were issued for the Evening Edition,
TEE EXPRESS 778,714
Which was innre we believe, than were issued either to
the Globe or Sthraird, Evening Papers.

HIGH MATER AT LOTRON ■RIMiR.
Tam Das.Maher,,4 saas. past 3; Aftermea. PO min put 4.
To.naoaan•—Morau6 a atm put 4 ; /Altana" isala• b.

LONDON, SATURDAY, MAY 6,

THE opinion was but too universal, that the
National Assembly of France would never meet—
that the Provisional Government, formed some ten
weeks since, would never reach the goal proposed—at
least not without conspiracy, collision, and bloodshed.
Anarchy arid pillage were the least of the evils f
oe-
seen is Paris. And even if hopes of the Assembly's
coining together were allowed to be entertained, it was
assumed that it could only meet to be menaced and
trodden under foot by unruly operatives and com-
munist bands.
All these prognostications have been happily falsi-
fied. There has been no collision—no pillage. There
hare been one or two dales, one or twe demonstra-
tions. Certain functionaries of the government,
freak in zeal and lacking experience, have said and
written unwise things. But on the whole, as far as
the public peace and political order are concerned,
the ten weeks have passed comparatively harmless.
The operatives, however seduced by theories and
Milted with strange hopes, have nevertheless shown a
degree of mod ntion and good conduct quite mica-
ceous under the tmk.atiou a.id the circumstances.