The Express.
London, England, 1865-05-09 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, TUEEWAL IkTiggNG, MAY 9, WE

if be had been in their place. He had only receive? th
te
I letters yesterday, and thereto» be =duet bad 'nekton
me
to consider their contents. He omits mend that the gam-
HOUSE OF LORDS. ••14024DA11, MAT S. doe was °Goof the greaten importance, that it war
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igige Gagnomon wog gm east sa the emirs& et desirable that the trade of the vinutry should be
vinerfOntrdent
Eve shim& as early as possible of the determination of elO
on the subject. He bed called together as many d the
PRIVATE BILLS.
members of the meth ea possible. sad he had end to the
The Nimbi( bill. were, on the motion of Lord RIM.onelusion that it cm. hie duty not po allow the Imposition
Date, reed mooed time: Banbrary Water, (Itiestereekt ar; duties. (Hear.)
Water red ties, Hersterth Water, Lucas Water, St. Albes's the
Water, DeZ4Oll Rode and Streets, East Leaden Railway, I THE DE
of RBY DAY.
Exeter Gas (No. I), red &MOM. Weston. and Haltom Sir H. BRUCE
Water Bills. Bayard private bill' were read a third time and for War, whether there would to
see
pamed. iDgaired itt: stnrDydirobjB4eiglarYeistioe to at state
I regimental muster day this mouth'
to suable offl
THE EDMUNDS CASE " the DM?'
The Marquis of lIARTLNOTON maid that arrangemmte
had been made by the Oommander.in-Chief with the con-
whom et the Seerelary of Stet% to enable all officers
could be spared from regiments' duty to obtain leave
of absence on the Derby-day, and therefore there would be
no necessity for altering the regimental muster day.
INDIAN LOAN.
In reply toe question Iran Mr. ("Ramona,
Sir C. WOOD laid that it me sot the intention el the
government to re= any large loan is this °own» for the
purposes of the Indian goverment.
THE MUSIC AT THE OPENING OF THE DUBLIN
EXHIBITION.
Sir G. GREY in referee°. to • question on the paper on
this subject, maid that he bad received • letter from the
Lord Lienteitani of Ireland requesting him to say te respect
to the propamme of this ceremony, that then was no
fen whatever for the impreesioa that appeared to
exist that be bed Mick Irish nice out of the pregrunme, but
it was thought desirable that the music should be confined to
the composition of Riedel, Haydn, and Mendelmohn.
AZEEM J AH.-BREACH OF PRIVILEGE.
Mr. C. FORSTER brought under the notice of tLe bones
the report of the select committee on the dodoes to the
petitions recently preseated to the house on the claims of
his Highness Aseem Jab, Nawab of the Carnatic. Detail-
ing at *ems length the fame as meertaimed by the committee,
the hon. member urged the Deossetty of the house 'iodi-
sed= its dignity, and, with • view to meet the require-
ments of the cam, moved that George Morrie Mitchell,
having fabricated signatures to several petition preempted
to the boos., and having knowingly procured other fabri-
rated siesta= to such petitions, had been guilty of abreact'
of the privileges of the house.
Mr. HENNESSY contended that the evidence easiest
Mitchell was mot such as any court of law would have re-
ceived, and that the committee bad declined to allow him
to =1 witnesses on his behalf.
Sir F. KELLY viediested the proceedings of the com-
mittee, which, he mid, were regulated in a strictly legal
UMW'.
Mr. ROEBUCK warned the house eeriest exercising its
penal powers upon evidence that was inadequate to esta-
blish the guilt of the accused.
Lord R. CECIL reminded the hogs that it was dealing
.not with an abstract question, bat with the liberty of the
subject. He moved, se an amendment, that the report be
referred back for further investigation to the committee
from whom it had emanated.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, on the other hand, con-
sidered it would be mote advisable to postpone the eon-
sideratioe of the subject =tit the homes should have read
the report and the evideace upon which it was founded, and
moved an &madman to tint effect.
After • few words from Mr. STANIZT, the amendment of
the Attorney-General was agreed to, sod the further eon-
aid...ratios of the subject was postpoesd until this day.
BOROUGH FRANCHISE EXTENSION BILL
The adjourned debate on the mood reeding of this bill
was resumed by
Mr. GREGORY, who said it must have struck every
person who hid read or heard the debate of Wednesday
Ism, that acamtioes of insincerity were scattered with re-
markable profusion by almost every liberal member in the
house. (Hear, bear.) His noble freed below him (Lord
Elobo) said the hoe. gentleman who introduced the bill was
insincere. The an. member for Huddersfield got up next and
turned his attention to the government, saying they were
deceitful above all things, but that the right hoe. pude-
man, the President of the Board of Trade, was the moot
desperately wicked man of all. (Laughter.) Not to be
outdoes, hie bon. friend the member for Liskeard said that
almost all professing to be liberals were equally =lnge.. He
had mad • honk the other day written by an American
gentleman which contained some pleasant conceits, and
among ether things be said the home was a most =getable
animal, but somehow or other it was always managed and
looked after by • set of regain. (Laughter.) He (Mr.
Gregory) could not help thinking this had something te do
as regarded reform. Reform was a very respectable thing
in itself, but somehow or other it seemed to him that it was
always managed and looked after by-(a 1=8b)-a
eat of insincere gentlemen. (Hear, hear.) The goverment
were blamed frar not proceeding with a reform bill, but it
appeared to him they were nimble to do so ; and although
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, on Friday night, bed
accused him of • proclivity for pelting the government, he
was now prepared to stand up in their defence. lie thought
the government bad acted with wisdom and sincerity in the
matter of reform. (Hear, hear, and a laugh.) They under-
took to bring in a bill, and they brought it in ; but when
they found that they bad sot only to contend with the for-
midable array of hoe. members opposite, but that every Im-
pediment was thrown in their way by speakers on that side
of the hone, they wisely determined on withdrawing the
measure. lie firmly believed that the feeling on his side at the
home was not as a general rule in favour but against this
bilL He was no advocate for the ballet, but if the ballot
were possible, be should be glad to see it put into opera-
tion in the house upon this question. (Cheers from the
opposition.) And if the question were that the Reform
Bill should be stayed for ten years, he believed that the
opinion on that side of the boom would be perfectly
satounding, and not only se, but that the announcement
would be received with great complacency by the country.
Hon. gentlemen talked about the ominous and suspicious
quiet which reigned at the present moment, and they
warned the Mud not to be deceived sod beguiled nod mis-
led by it. They reminded them of former times; of the
time of the great Reform Bill. But they knew that under
the state of thine' which existed then men were actuated
HOUSE OF 0024MONS.1.10NDAY, MAY S. by • muse of intolerable Injustice, and thee indeed the
country was In earn= But it was absurd to the
The BIWA= took the chair at 4 o'clock. attitude of the country at this moment and its peTfect
trso-
PRIVATE BUSINESS. quillity and indifference upon the subject with the times of
Several bills were reed a third time and passed. 1832, when Birmingham threatened to march upon London,
THE CASE OF tKiNSTANCE KENT. for the bill, the whole bill, and nothing but the bill, with
Mr. WHALLEY gave notice that to-morrow be should the cackling of Leeds-(laughter and cheers)-whee a young
pat a question with reference to the promedincte in ph. cam David appeared the other day among the people mod
of Constance Kent, and to the refusal of the Rev. J. B. with his few little round pebbles from the brook, under-
Warmer and the lady calling herself the Lady Superior= took to go down into the plain and do battle for them with
to give evidence, on the ironed that the facts came to their the anti-reforming Philistines ; and when even now in the
knowledge under the seal of confeesiea. He should ash election for Westminster Mr. Stuart Mill having received
the Horne Secretary whether it was the Intention of the his passport from Mr. Beal required to get it sooner-
government to introduce any till this 'Moo to prevent such signed by Lord Amberley. The men of 1832 were more
pereousse the Rev. J. B. Wagner from officiating as cler. than mere catalogues of imaginary grievances, were more
gymen of the Church of England, and receiving the emolu. than mere C7ol°Peediel of facia. more than Mere OOMMee -
mints thereof, and also whether the magistrates were jns. place books of devices, calculated to unsettle the most
tiled in 'unwind the said Rev. J. B. Wagner and the inomeetions question. They were men in whose vs= ran
Superior= to refuse to give evidence on suck groan& blood, who were leel and true, such men whom England
always bad when roused, and wham the had agnate because
THE MIDDLESEX MILITLA. she was not aroused. It was because England
wwoctululdd
Mr. DENMAN asked the Under Secretary Ma" for tbe roused to run the risk of precarious changes that
War whether the junior captain of the 3rd Middlemx Mi. eat be engendered by this tamp th
ey
lit" had recently been appointed to the vacant majority of not abandon that great edit.ce of social liberty
that regiment over the heads of the other nine captains, and prosperity which she bed reared, that he with-
gene of them of many years' standing ; and whether ooch out the slightest miegiving, hesitation, or faltering, would
appointment had bele nude with the approval of the War- say no to the bill of his hon. freed, while with equally little
*mos, or in accordance with the usages of the service ;if hesitation, or faltering would say aye ee any bill that
not, on what spec= grounds such appointment had been would provide for the enfranchisement of that portion of
metimed. the working classes entitled to the confidence of the °country.
The Marquis of HARTINGTON said it wen quite true (Cheers.)
that Lard Chelsea, the jolter captain, bed been appointed Sir G. GREY, on the part of the government, pro.
to the 'majority of the regiment over the heads of the other teemed himself ready to give an explicit answer to the
mum. The gamest, but by no means invariable, rule was question which had been put to them as to what they in-
that soda appointments should be made by seniority. but tended to do on the subject of Weer. Before dam; so,
many reasons had been held sufficient to non= • doper- however, the right hon. baronet reviewed the history of the
tare from that rule, such as local lathiest, and position in radon measure. which had been introduced since 1859,
the county. The militia was essestudly a local force, and contending that, shortly after the disponi of the p
the aidasam and the Imaltioa of the °gloms was always administration, the new government had brought ki=
taken into consideration in making promotions. In the pee- which was a complete redemption of their promise. That
meet instance the Lind-Lientenant had represented to the ball bed been withdrawn ia Jose, 1860, no account of the
Secretary of State that the position of Lord Chelsea was overt opposition which had Leen offered to it, not only
mash that he was the proper person to be appointed to the by to conservative., but by boo. gentlemen below the pug-
majority of the regiment, and the government had sane- way. This showed that the present parliament was lade,-
limed the appointment accordingly. etneetliesubjeotof reform. Theright hoe. harmetoont»ned:
MINES. We see no reason to doubt that the course which we took
Mr. KINNAIRD inquired of the Secretary of State for in 1860 was idos right one, or that the number which wouldl
the Home Departineet what etepe he had takes, or pro- have been added to the electors from the best rope...lsta.
pcneed to take, to remedy the very screw evils which hemp tires of the working classes was unreasonable or dangerous.
been brought to light by the evidence taken by the royal We believe, in fact, that they might have been admitted
emiemirekw appointed to inquire into the medicon of with perfect safety to the constitution, with satisfaction
mines, and which reported last =aim to large numbers of the working classes, and therefore
Sir 0. GREY replied that the came which had bean tabu, with oddities" l security to the institutions of: the
country. As we have hitherto done, the government will
with rlaP•e°6 " the report was this' It bed bean upon this cccesiou affirm the principl• that in their opinion
thounbt right to wafer with the members of that corn- ...•
Seleril =get to be • reduction of the borough faunlike, by
missies, several of whom were meads= of that boo" ee voting forth. mooed reading of this awake' cheers and
rite seuetbjr,rkpm.o.pmumalideeittritqtry tieMlesigeraiaadtiee eeiaelar take report counter Mere.) But I wish this vote to be taken for no more
than it is worth. (Great ironical cheering.) I wish it die-
to there were other Oats on which it might bs imPedm" pimply peb• understood, that if the bill which is proposed
to legislate. He bad accordingly called • meeting a the by m brie. friend--a fn • 61. franchise in boroughs-
comninsimere at the Home-OfTWW, where the matter wee c. T„, arouse— as • political test at the election which are
fully gam ad It wasdecided hy the majority of the now sot far distant, such tort hot Idejoatyie
cermailsa°l4o,. tat weuith akdiaiw meet object, and we feel that we are not booed without
fee tb
w.77.1--pedims "this- aa-y-hant-yr-ki- i;rignaThcwidis farther consideration to a 61. franchise. (Irene= ohms.)
view it Although we proposed the Si. franchise in 1860 cooseiden
fake place. It was aeceenay that the mentinendatioes of •
with other alterations in our electoral system, we now
the coammissieeere with rimiest to the meaty of Carswell m Die that there ought to be, end may
specially should be more thoroughly discussed, and the only
Minions of perms interested in the MIDIS in the Locality ,ww;o7l;c.' To h=7;',„ cfaa°ritia'c'7ar"-. war al;wiarefie._
ithealned upon them. That
at rive however was not
awed* hie eade mend hid of the elioreiedee. I (laughter from the opposition).- whethr: It should be •
Katie suffrage, or with whatever Millellllll it should be
who ad
Pored ilaTadam a bail aiab a dialiaa' nicombeeed, are matters which se government in dealing
=net ; but or the reasons he bad stated the wormed with the question is bound to .midigstioe.
add not thick peeper to bring is any bill upon the subject '-
my main against the Si. frue ta echisa. (" Oh, eh; and
this swam Mem) All I say is that Mr Majesty's government will
INDIAN EXPORT DUTIES. sot go to the busting' at the general steed= pledged to
Mr. CALRD asked the Secretory of ISM fee India support, the 61,
whether it was the intuition of the goverment in India to min. to throfarernebs the fun(LauddisermkeemmOwboalutra''l
impose expert Miss ce the more Monad staples of that ! comi. bchwa.,,,___ ce
reentry, sad whetter the home government approved of that this ball •to coscidow -1-,77,17.7.317C
dens of peaky'. I Mali he, with what: what
it ahead be
Mr. CRAWFORD dee asked it the right Me. baronet • aid whet other changesshould be worm& Zreeriadihet
bad rewired a espy of the fisseeld Attempt of Mr C. Tie- Mos said. we Dead state that we do lot go te the
warm. sad tI d whether be woad lay it on table country pledged In my way to a great mum of
0. WOOD mid he led not received my while dies- massy »Form. atelstaal theme and emu= etreserlit
patches coatainieg eu amount of the Indian heillei pro- must apes this seises ream= to ourselves the SAW
made, ad that had reesived private Mises with reaped liberty to ad noon oar ewe Medd.
fie the t
he ef the gemeased al Indli aed the bill hy to the cdremsteases of the time and Sheila
• mldsh the to
werie•le be Intheed. The .awed dial of the ocenitry, ad we do not feted to
• they hid ask emethet be shenth been lase mapped of thementry epee the edvemy el sped Mites

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT•

Load REDS:SHALE mad—Your lordships will probably I
have IMO by the taped of the committee which was ap-
polated to trquire late the lidniutida case that ewers
bas been pissed is ohs report upon the committee to whim
the petition of Mr. Rimmed/ preying fora ;meow was
referred. On behalf of myself sad the other members of
the comenittee, I menet allow that matter to remain u it
fa, without bringing it under the sone, of the how' At
their request I therefore give eons, that toosenow I
shall
cell the &trounce of the hoses to that portico of the report
which stets@ the opisioa of the onsunittes as to the *mind
of the select otrassittesasd I shall move that the passage. of
the report, page 14, %ipso* " The committee having
examiael," he., sod clothes " sot have been recommended,
be geld, and also move the following resolutioes :—" 1.
nerved he petition of Mr. Idmusda stating dot, after having
nerved the house 17 years as reading clerk and clerk of the
private committees. be desired to retire, sod praying the
house to grant him such allowance as to their lordships
might seem St, having base presented on Tueaday, the 13th
of February, by the Lord Chaeoellor, without any comment •
being made thereon by him or any othee member of the
government premed an that socesioa, sad referred to a select
committee on the aloe of nark of the parliament without
say special order or intimatioe is relation thereto; the com-
mittee when they met oe Thursday, the 15th of February
(Mr. Edmunds' resignation having been already accepted
by the hones), had no question to determine on the petition
no
referred to them bat the amount of retiring pensioa to
which he was mantled, and would have exceeded their duty
If, without special instruction from the house, they had
proceeded to inquire into his conduct in reporter us-
coenected with the house. Sadly That the having
been preowned es Friday, the lath of February, was
ordered to be laid on the table, and was not agreed to until
Friday, the tard:oli. February, whereby auflineet ' delay
was interposedbefore the question was finally disposed of
Is favour of • peemoe,' foe any lord acqualeted with the
circumstances, which ought to have bees known to the
bones before the report wee adopted, to have brought the
game under the aonsideration of the house." In doing this
I wish to be distinctly waderstood that Ido not intend to
eater the least into the Edmunds ease, or into any of
the facts affecting any cos, either is this bones or elsewhere.
but simply to clear the committee from that which Is felt
to be an imputation spas them. The expreasions in the
report soma to hove masted an impression epos the put of
newspapers and in other quarters, which readers it nit of
that the committee should show that the oourse they
punned on that omelet wee the only one they could, with
propriety, adopt.
STRIKES AND LOCKOUTS.
Lord ST. LEONARDS rose to lay upon the table of the
house a bill for the establishment of equitable courts of
condliatioe for the settlement of disputes between masters
and mos. He proposed to have the bill printed and
circulated throughout the country, in order that both
masters and sees might know what would be their amino°
if the house Wood to the establishment of courts of
arbitration. He should not, therefore, move the
second reeding till both masters and men bad bad
an opportunity of eagaiksiag its provisions. The
noble iced thes slated the main provincias of the bill,
which were that masters and men might, if unanimous,
apply to the crown for the establishment of courts of con-
ethanol). The menses must be tinders in the district in
which they applied for six months, and the workmen meet
be residents for six months, and must have worked at a pa:i-
ncubi, trade for seven yeas. The court of conciliation was
to erased of not more that 10 masters sad 10 workmen, with
• chairman, sad so member was to adjudicate in any case in
which he was interested. The award of the court was to be
Anal unless appealed against. He shot4d be glad if the bill
sestributed to pat em sod to the unfortunate and disastroes
strikes which at preempt were so frequent between masters
sod their workmen. (Hear, hear.)
The bill was them reed • fret time.
DISTRICT CHURCH TITHES BILL.

On the motion of the Duke of MaauDosouon thin bill
was reads wooed time pro fond, for the vapor of having
several amendments introdsoad into it.
COURTS OF JUSTICE BUILDLNG BILL.
- •

On the order for reading the Courts of Justice Concentra.
fix Bdl • third time,
Lord REDERDALE moved as an amendment a clause to
the effect that no money should be expended on the pur-
ities, of a site for the new courts until full plain and esti-
mates had bens laid before parliament.
The LORD CHANCELLOR opposed the ameoduaeot,
and said that, if raffled, it wouM virtually defeat the
bill by delaying its execution for another year.
The Earl of DERBY supported the amendment, which,
upon a division, we. carried against ministers by 47 to 44.
bill so amended was Wee read a third time sod pawed.
The Court of Jostles Cowentration (Site) Bill having
also been read a third time,
Lord St. LEONARDS moved the omission of the Sled
clause, and the motion was agreed to on a division by 47 to
46. The bill thee pawed.

THE PENSION TO MR. EDMOND&
Earl att&NVILLE sane aotioe than be would to-
morrow (One day) move to remind the resolution of the
home of the 24th of Febosary, emelt( to the report of the
menutittes on tho ofßee el Clerk of the Parliameate and
Mho of Um GeetJamaa limber of tM Black Rod, mid* Co
the 17th of Febreery, so far am nista, to the reoommeada-
Moe of the mid committee, that a retiring provisioe of 800/.
per annum should be allowed to Leonard Edatoode, Faq.
The house adjourned at ten minutes pass &

'parliamoutthy reform; (Cheers.) I wish to be uplift..
We do not kirow what the opinion of the next Meow et
Commune may be upon the subject. (Laughter and chum)
We will sot nosseat to pledge ourselves
Mu of the opinion of this home and of the euntry,
to propose • large ateasiars of parliamentary refono, whits
the house may feel as dioladised to per as it was Wu%
sod width the 'vastly deem not desire. (Cheers.) We re.
se •to ourselves the discretion to act in this matter, as la
Mir:theca, acioardiag to the feeling of the country. (best-
ial ahem sad saunter abeam.) The parted is not far Mo.
tact whoa we shall appeal with oonfideau to the gowsal
opinion of the country, and the country will have an
tunity of expressing its opinion as to the manner fa=
the government of the country has been conducted by WI
peresat ministry, tad by that appeal we shall willing},
abide. (Load cheers.)
Mr. W. F. PORTER said the right bon. gentleman had'
oominencied Icy saying that he shod announce the inten-
tions and policy sa
of the government ; but he wished to ask,
now that they had beard the Home Secretary's speech.
whether &span had any idea what the policy of the go.
Vitae:Net was to be—(ocaucaitive cheers)--exaspi that
they were to adopt a policy which he had never expected to
hear from any Truing bench, still het from the present,
and that their policy should be their interest in the govern-
ment. (Chaim) He was glad this bill had been brought
forward, for though he had all along
_felt that there
war little thence of its being carried in the usual
temper of the house, be felt that it would be the meths of
raising
the reform question. (Hear, bear.) The house had
now the reform question before it, and the chief point they
wanted to know was not what the government intended to
do with regard to voting for the aloud reading, but whether
at the earning election they were or were not to come for-
ward as • reform ministry. (Loud chews.) Thou who were
called upon to support the government wanted to know
whether they were supporting a reform ministry, and thine'
upon the other aide had • right to know whet they wore
opposing. What had the HOMO Secretary told thus open
the subject? The right hon. gentleman bail mimed
the pledge given when the present ministry came into power !
in Lilil. How were they released from that pledgel Wee
it she Mot of bringing forward • bill and giving ,
up that had released them ? (Cheers.) He did not attempt I
to meanie the sincerity of the government or their sue.
porters but who had the power of miming them from their
pledge Working men would not he utialled with
being told, on the one hand, that they should have votes'
as anon se the gtherameat fund it convenient to give the,
while on the other, all sorts of reasons were being brought
forward to delay their edmiselos to a share In the repress,.
gallon. It was no use to trifle with the working men
longer. The working men had unites°, in the C
for of the Exchequer, but none In the executive.
That want cd oonfiderm would not be removed by the
speech of the right hon. baronet (Sir G. Grey), sad would
Twelve additional provocation from the smirch of the right
hon. member for Casa who said that if the supporters of
reform failed in carryiso their measure they would ruin their
mwty, sad if they succeeded they would ruin their country.
But the right hotgentleman himself had within the last
four or Ivo years joimed is this Does pirscy to ruin the !
country. (Hear, hear.) He did not Wive bia right hon.
fraud bad changed hie mind at all,
_and be believed be
entertained the same opinion new which he held when he
was in adios. He was not charging the right hon. gentle-
man
with • eras want of sincerity or patriotism, but he'
found this excuse for Mrs, that be knew in his own mind be
was not ruining the country ; that he had aufficissit cent.
duos in the government of the day to feel that
any snob measure would not be carried. It Eng.
laud was to obtain the first position amongst the no, I
tons of the world, she must be the first in the true free-
dom of her people ; above all, if she wished to keep her !
plum as the foremost of nations, if we did sot meth that
one of oar children should boom* the leader of the Anglo-
Saxon mu, we must take care that no commonwealth
which sprang from us should attain that strength to which
now other was oompasuble—the nurture and development
of the patriotism of all its Inhabitants by the pauselon of
their rights and the festive of their responsibility end fulfil-
ment of duties as citizens. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. LIDDELL objected to the bill that it based the]
franchise on the local rating, which war very uncertain.
The measure also continued all the deficiencies of the toile-
Mallon. Instead at remedying the defects of the present
system, it only aggravated and perpetuated thorn.
Sir F. GOLDfiIIID supported the bill, replying to amend I
points in the speech of Mr. Lowe.
Mr. BUXTON was opposed to the indiscriminate eaten- !
ion of the franchise. It should not be given to one clue
in such a manner as to deprive other dames of their luau- I
sue. Looking at the manner in which the country had
progressed in the last thirty years, it would be little laws
than mania, to trawler political power to • large mul-
titude who had never been trained to deal with political
Mi. STANSFELD observed that reform had been • par-
liamentary topic for some fourteen years, and the theory
was that it had been the subject of an organised hypocrisy
and sham, and bad been made the shuttlecock of party.
Nevertheless he believed it was paella to trace a kind of
common ground of opinion, upon which, if party were
sat of the question, it would be possible to legislate
apes the subject of reform. With regard to there
being no enthusiasm in the question cut of doors, it was
the fact that there had been nothing in the measures which
had been proposed to excite enthusiasm, and he was in-
clined to think that distinctive assertions of policy like that
developed by Mr. Lowe wore calculated to bring out decided
opinions and to bring about decided measures ; but he pre-
ferred moderate meseures, and therefore he supported the
present bill, its object being to introduce isto the franchise
a moderate number of the working classes, and this without
transferring power from one class to another.
Yr. HORSMAN contended that this bill could not be
final; it was accepted only as an instalment, and must lead
ultimately to universal suffrage. He denied that the
franchise. was a neat ; it was bestowed by the law ea a public
roast. It was (WOO or withheld wholly on grounds of !
public policy. Bat the results of the proposed course of
tbn would be miachlevous. It would bring in •
• new class of voters, more numerous than all the others
put together. Against this he protested: they had
n1111..211 t4powarr to anisolither"y class
The pt.": abo. toPc.iged.
share of power to the working classes without giving them
the predominance had SOUK been solved, and it was not ill
after the last general election that the question of the ex-
tension of the suffrage had been seriously cansidered. edit
dangers were then perceived, and the bows dis-
trusted the schemes of reform. The house and the
acistatry were as responsible for their failure as the
government. This (said the hon. gentleman) is our
answer to the promoters of this bill. We tell
you that remain is not with you, that justice
is not with you, that policy is not with
you—above all that the nation is not with you. (Laid op-
position cheats.) Even the uminfranchleed stand aloof
tram you, sad Meows you, for they too have been educated
to reform, by discussions at home tad events abroad, and
they know that as a class they have more to Ices than to
gain by the advent of democracy, that under the present
system, theoretical and imperfect as it may be, their feel-
lap, their wants, their interests, are more considered and
Meter eared for than they would be under that which would
owed it, and that they enjoy a greater amount of liberty
and comfort than is enjoyed by their class in any other
country in the world, without one medical grievance to
complain of. But it must be admitted that Um Home at
Commons has not redeemed its pledges upon reform, and
the hon. member for Leeds affixes • stigma especially and
with truth upon bit own friends of the liberal party. (Beth.)
Although I must say that this bill which is held before our
eyes ea • Ithatinp testis used by some of bin (limas, hoe as
a test to others than as a whitewashing of themselves.
(" Hear, heart sad laughter.) They have not redeemed
their plaes. But hautboy lost character in the country for
that? Only if they now relapse into the old fallacies and
delusions—if they allow the hoe. member for Leeds to dreg
them through the mire of used-up pledges and shifting
devices and exposed electioneering dodges—then there must
be discredit and humiliation in the acknowledgment of the
uafaithfulnees in the pat and • renewal of half-hearty
utterances as to the tutus. But there is another—a far
better and wiser, aye, the safer coarse—which redeems the
pant and disembarrasses the future. It is to proclaim the
truth—that the mind of parliament is changed, that the mind
of the nation is changed, that anooessive Queen's speeches
promising a large measure of reform in • downward direction
were • mistake—(chews)—that the ministers who insisted on
those speeches bare been discredited, that the liberal party
has bean damaged by lie blindness sad inconsiderateness on I
! time reform question, and that its silence has mot been, as
repeesented in some quarters, an evades of duty, bet a de- I
I liberate policy caused by sincere conviction, rmaltieg from
improved experience, and enforced by its respect for the us-
mistakeable feeling of the 000atry. (Renewed chum)
That, I venture to think, would be a course more dignified,
sad I run sure it would be more popular than if liberal rum-
bas should suffer themselves to be coerced into the support
of • measure which their judgment notoriously condemns.
Aye, and let me say, it would strengthen them as • party
for their true future mission of loom and pasthical re-
formers, still lathy, still anxious to extend the true rights
and ealarge the real liberties of their country. And
is is that character in which you yourselves wish
to be regarded that I appeal to you now, and
tell you it is your duty as reformers to reject
this which is not an estrancbising but a dieenfranclialm
Itit•Onte, which is not an estansion but a diversion or
power—which is lees a bestowal than a transfer*/ political'
privileges. (Cheers.) It degrades and disqualifies educe-
! tau, it gives prominent power to numbers, sad, under the
guise of reform. blindly, rashly, semmilmaly, enacts reran-
! time. (Loud and protracted cheeriag.)
Mr. DISRAELI regarded this as • coatrevenry between
W odosated make 01 the liberal ;arty, and that section
!at the same party who, according to their oollzum were
wit wto ea attled epithet so upbuirtio and can Mutely ;
le was the opffigno to the pralae of 1859. objection
to tba bill was that it popue4 by mane of an lawrained
truth's*, to redistribute political power ; that that was
• question Thigh 'eight not to be treated partially ; and
that if it wee to be dealt with at all it mug be in iv
wiraprobsoalve mintier, sad should include the county as
well as the bane& freardslan. Author objection wee
that the bill was Introduced by • private maralwar, Instead!
at hag sthroseed to the emu and pilaus of • nimensible
gtherament. Babitteg the "4a• Mary of theßekom Bal,"
the right hoe. ghillie observed that he did sot be.
Ben that any istatoesnaa as oilier this of the
home
Whin weld emir vo meant to trido with the anbjeet.
Lead Doty Nue Into Oise he tu SOP quernd
Mem again: asiliesumile to the aroma aid dimetedit-
ail to the ministry, sad it was is thus airctunsimoss that
hio aside friend addressed Me mind to the midis of Me

difficulty. Alain tat pig*, end party,
he now mesited that the masers which the government
of Loa Dada taught leeward was the only measure that
bad attempted to meet the difficulties of the case. For,
Irrespective of other provisions, it proposed to
Gnats two franchises which would have largely toot
the demob under emaieraticie me founded
ape personal property, the other upon partial awn.
petits. Hie opinions on the subject of milkmen.
any reform remained enaltered. All that had marred, all
he bad Moaned, all the results of his reflective led him
mere sad moon to the assassion that the only principle
upon which the coastiassales should be increased was one
tof zadical bat of lateral milaree—eatensiou of the frau.
;1)i" not its degradation. Aad he deemed it peak. •
the else-
itivouralie opportunity, greatly to iserame
teal body by the lotrodnoticei of voesee epos prinelphes
perfectly in anon with the eimethatka, so that as
should rentaleasutarivUsge and not become
r ff;tert I. a privilep
sisladArtu es,
bidnetrv, integrity, for the commas
good of the counter In conclusion, the right 1100.1
gestkiesan said :—. is just as well the house
should recollect that the sake at isms is of some price.
Yon must remember, not to use the word profanely, that
we really area populist people. There is no country at the
present moment that exists wider the circumstances seal
under the mine conditions as the people of this realm. You
have foe example en ancient, powerful, sad richly
endowed church, and perfect religious liberty—you
have unbroken order and complete freedom
(hear, bear)—you have estates as large as those d Home
—you have • commercial system a
that Carthage and Vick* netted never equalled—ad yes
must remember that this peculiar country, with Miaow
contruts, is not governed by foam is not 'evened by a
standing army but is gonna bre most singular mike
off
traditional icliosecee, which generation after gesseation
cherishes and preserves, because they know that they em-'
balm customs and t law. Aad with this
what have yea deem You have =mad capital
of fabulous amount—yoo have devised sad sustained a sys-
tem of credit still more marvellous—and, above all, you have
established and maintained a scheme so vest and compli-
cated of labour and capital that the history of the world
offers so parallel. (Cheers.) And all these mighty creations
are out of all propoition to the essential and indigenous
ele-
ments and mamma of the pantry. If you destroy that state
of moiety remember shot England menet begin again. (Cheen.)
There are would's, which have gone through great Perils
and great sufferings. There are countrieslike the Celled
States whose fortunes are now so porticos, and who in our
immediate days have had great trials, who have bad, and
perhaps even now are haViDs protracted and internecine
civil war. That war has lasted for four years, and if it
were to last for four yams longer, vast as would be the
destruction and devastation when it ended, the United
States might begin again, They would then only be in the
position in which England found herself at the ter-
mination of the Wars of the Boma when her
population probably did not exceed three millions, with
vast tracts of vireo soil, and mineral immune not only us-
developed bat even undreamed of, Take the case of Francs.
There his been U 3 Frame a real neoluties in our days, or in
the days of our predecessors ; sot merely a political but a
social revolution. The institutions of the country were up-
rooted, and the ardent of society abolished. Even the laud
nooks end local names were removed sod armed. But
France could begin apt°. France had the
greatest spread of exuberant soil in Europe and
a genial climate, and always had, in reference to
these, • limited population Ink; in a simple manner.
Bat England, the England that we know, the England that
we love, ma of which we are proud, could not begin spin.
I don't mean to my that alter great trouble England would
become a howling wilderness. No doubt the good sees
of the people would remain, and fragments of the national
character would form a society. Bat it would not be old'
England, the England of the power, the tradition, the
malt, and the capital which now exist. (Hear, hear.) It
is not in the nature of things. (Hear, hear.) tinder
these circumstances I hope the home, when the question
before us is cue of classing the constitution, will hesitate ;
that they will sanction no step that tends towards demo-
cracy ; but will maintain the ordered state of free England
that still exists 1 have spoken frankly. Ido not think
that in this country generally there is a desire at this
moment for any further change in this matter. I think
the general opinion in this country on parliamestary
reform is that our views are not sufficiently
matured on either side—(bear, hear)—and I cannot
but conclude that that is the position of booms-
able gentlemen opposite. We all know the papers
circulated among us, and that found their way oe to
our tables before parliament met, and upoo which the speech ,
of the hon. member for blaidatom was a comment.,
under the title of " A liberal dilemma." I confess I reed
that paper with very great pain. With that sympathetic
feeling that belongs to me, I mold sot help appreciating
the agony of the government on this question. (Laughter.),
I consider that paper to be one of the most valuable contri-
butions to meson° literature that we haws (Laughter.)
Not in this house only do we find them
indications of want of maturity on this subject.
Our tables are filled at this moment with propositions
contributed by members of the liberal party eminent for
their rank, eminent for their talents, and for both, who are
ell desirous to counteract the consequences of the liberal
reform of which they have been the advocates. (Haas.)
When you read these propositions and speculations, it is
quite clear that the mind and intellect of the party have
arrived at no conclusion:. There are no means—there is
no term for describing each • system as this—it is not
to be found in Aristotle; but 1 sok any candid mind
whether them speculations are not proof tha the active
intelligence of the liberal party is entirely at sea on this
subject? I may say there has been more consistency and
more calmness in the consideration of this subject on the
part of gentlemen on this side of the house than of those
who arrogate to thsmealvoe a monopoly to treat on this
subject. We can at least, in answer to those who charge
us with trifling with the subject, appeal to the retake-
time of every candid mind, to beer testimosy
that we nos only treated it with sincerity,
but that we lost valuable colleagues, that we
trusted to the consideration of the house to support owes
views on the proposition ; and I am bound to say that the
main principle upon which the bill wee founded, Daftly,
the extension of the heachise and not its degradation, wth
be found to be the only solution that will ultimately be
accepted by the country. (Cheers.) Therefore I cannot my.
either on behalf of myself or my collesgnes, that we feel
this question to be attended with any embenesimist. We
feel that we have done oar duty, and it is not without some
gratification that I have listened to a candid admission
from many hon. gentlemen who voted against this meant,
that they feel that its defeat was a great mistake. (Hear,
hear.) I believe that opinion is echoed out of doors—(hear,
hear)—and therefore, so far as we are concerned, Ido nee I
think that of the two parties we are they to whom this is
the oast embarrassing question. Bat that is no reason why
I should vote for the measure of the hon. member for Leeds.
I think the carrying of his motion would reflect no credit,
on the Home of Commons. (Hear, hear.) It is • mesa
device—(laughter)—not on the part of the hoe. gentleman,
for I believe he acts from conscientious motives ; but in its
proposition, in the missing of its Lepage, which it takes
from the failures of the pessimist, and in all the circum-
stances which attend it, it is of that character that I,
think the house will do its duty tonight, and secure the
good understanding of the constituencies, if it rejects the
bill by • decided majority. (Loud cheers.)
The house then divided on "the previous question"—
namely, that "the question be now put":—
Ayes
Noes 2BB —74
This result was received with loud cheers from the opposi-
tion. lts effect was, of course, to dispose of the bill.
WAYS AND MEANS.

On the order of the day for the report on Ways and
Means,
Sir S. NORTHCOTE add he believed this resolution
related to the renewal of a million of exchequer bonds.
They had been lately doing a good deal in the way
of Miming the national debt, and be trusted that they were
not going to resew thews boucle aide.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
could not give a positive answer as everything would
depend upon the money market and state of the finances
of the country.
The resolutions were agreed to, and leave given to bring
in a bilL
The Pollee Superannuation Bill was read a third time
and passed ; as was also the Tories, Robber% and Rapparem
(Ireland) Bin,
CLERICAL SUBSCRIPTION.

Sir G. GREY, in committee of the whole bonne, moved
that the chairman be directed to move the house for leave
to bring in a bill to amend the law as to subecoptions and
declarations made by the clergy of the established church.
An Hos. Mamma moved that the eommittee be counted,
and it having been counted by Mr. DODSON. it wu found to
contain only 34 members, and be accordingly left the chair.
The SPLAIZR was then seat for, and the house counted
main when there belog only 3d members present, it stood
adjourned at Ave minutes past 1 o'clock.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
EQUITY OOUBTB.-141AY 8.
(Before the Muter of the Ran)
rim BRIGHTON CLOD AND NORTOLE NOM COMPANY.
piptidoli which stood Mt for Mae Moiling up el this
compeay now assts on for theatiog.
Mr. Selwyn, Q.C., end Mr. Swsnaton, appeared in sup-
port of Om pinto..
Mr. Jewel sad Kr. H Rotnilly, in oppcsition, vs,* sot
orlisd upon. uMhodt
His lessor dismissed the petition with ear* hot
prejudice to any satins.

I

COURT OP OOMMON PLEAS.—MAT 8.
Intim at it Prins in Mlddlema —Melon Kr. Judie"
Willis aid a Common Jury.)
KATE= e. nairro/I.—UnOCriOn.
This was an action to recover damages for the seduction
el the plaintiff's daughter ; and the pleas weer-not gaily
that the daughter was not the servant of the plaintiff, and
that he did whet was oomplained ol by the Ice and license
of the plaintiff.
Mr. Huddleston, cia. and Mr. Turner appeared far the
plaintiff ; and Mr. Ooleadem, Q.C., for the &fondant.
Mr. iluddlestos said that the plaintiff was the widow of a
Vanes who was fee many years a solicitor at Coppice
in essex He died some yeses ago, leaving the
plaintiff with a very small tamale out Of Much she bad to
maintain herself and eight ohildrig. Ot Were bee were
daughters, and Victoria us the mooed daughter. The
defendant was higuelf the sou of • solicitor, and he was •
clerk is the Customs with • salary el 1801. • year.
In 1861 the gplaiatifra daughter Vairteris Wrested
the Loges of the defeadeat. In that year she was
travelling in an omnibus in which the defendant wee. and he
with the courtesy al a geetlemantialped.ber to slight. Soon
after he saw her "gain, a casual acquaintaime sprang up, and
the defendant seemed to have marked her down as his
inteeded victim. The defendant had no excuse arising from
the heated feelings of you for be was man 35 years of
mi. He seemed on theth,occasions when be mw Mies
Mayhew to have made protastatioes'of love to her, and he
wrote her several notes. Is the ant one he said, "I shall
be at the corner at half-past 'eves. Hoping you did not
get very wet on the last occasion, try and behove me your
own Dire." In the year 1883 he made some improper ad-
vances to her, which she at ouce resisted, aid after-
wards wrote to him yerociestrating with Ulm in re-
ference to his viaduct. He answered In tbis way :
" Dewed Vic,—l cannot believe that you mean what you
say in your note of yesterday, and I shall keep the appoint-
ment made on Monday, and not may that, but shall expect
to see your deer little self there.-1 am yours, "Dics.
" Do me me if caly once more."
She did p, sad so doubt he promised better for the future,
and the acqualatanos was kept up. He wrote swat ad.
dressing kw as "MQases," and concluding. " With love
and loyalty, I am—Thug." He wrote another note :
Dearest Via—What has become of you ; are you alive!
I have been waiting dig after day to law from you as pro-
mised. I have no reoonscUes of he'll% offer did you is any
way. niers had my Image taken, but I am afraid I must
hays the locket to get it axed.—With love, youre—Dicx.
" I feel like a fist out of water without you."
It seemed that during 1862-3, the defendant was continually
making advances to this young
.rlady, and his at
were continued until the beginning of 1864. In April of
that year be induced her to go with him to Efighbary Barn
Gardens, and there he gave her something to drink, and
making violent protestations of love he overcame ber
scruples and seduced her. She went hems, bat being
alarmed at whet had taken place, she did not am the de.
fondant agein until August, and thou she mentioned some
indications of her state, but he said it was all fancy. She
concealed her condition tram her friends until the 18th of
January, 1865. when the child, a girl, was born, and was
still living. Some days afterwards the plaintiff wrote to
the defendant elating that rho was suffering great
distress and anxiety of mind in consequence of what
had happened, and saying, " The only reparation you
on make is to perform your promise to her
to marry her." It seemed that Miss Mayhew bad, to excuse
herself, told her mother that there bad been • promise of
marriage. The defendant answered, not denying that be
was the father of the child, but denying that he had pro-
mined marriage, and in this he was probably correct. He
said—" Although I admit having nude the acquaintance of
your daughter, yet the circumstances under which it open-
mewed clearly proved that it was war my intestine to
marry her ; and I positively deny having made her any such
promise, or leading her to snoop's so. I much regret the
misfortune which has happened to your daughter, but I
cannot admit my responsibility for it." The learned cows.
sel, in conclusion, said that he believed that the only ques-
tion
would be one of damages, and he pressed upon the
jury that the defendant had for years laid siege to this
young lady, that be bad seduced her, seed thus brought dis-
grace' upon her and her family ; and that be bad dome more
than this, for be had put upon the record a plea that be had
seduced the rirl with the consent of her mother.
Mr. Coleridge said that that was only the pleader's plea.
Mrs. Mayhew, the plaintiff, said that she, altar her
husbeed's death, went lolly* ia De Beauvoir-terneee,
Ki e-
land, and afterwards lived in Richneeed road, Daisies ; the
defendant lived is Graham's-road, Dagen. She did sot
know of her daughter's condition until one hour before the
coefinement. She had never seen the defendant speak to
her daughter but once. Her daughter had always lived at
home, and took the management of the ii00•11bOid.
At this stags of the ease a consultation took place
between counsel, at the suggestion of his lordship, and the
result was that an arangetnent was come to.
Mr. Huddleston said that it bad been agreed that • ver-
dict should be takes for the plaintiff, subject to terms to be
embodied in a judge's order.
A verdict wee this taken by °enema the terms of the
Tanglement not being mentioned in court.

COURT OF BARKRUPTOY.-31.eit 8.
(Before Mr. Commissioner Callihan.)
Ilt Lila 3. AND T. H. GLADSTONI.
The bantrunte. John Gladstone and Thomas Hall Glad-
stone, father and son, wen the well-known merchants of
White Lioa.ooart, robin, whose failure a few moans
ego created a sessatioa in the mercantile world. The cue
now came before the court by adjournment for icantination
and discharge; bat the requisite amounts not haviag bees
filed, another adjourement was reedited
Mr. Linklater appeared for the easignes,""l:7ifr. Lew-
ranee for the elder bankrupt. Mr. T. H. Gladstone has
not surrendered, and was proclaimed at the lest sitting.
Mr. Linklater stated that they bad speed ou an adjourn-
ment for two months. The cue was one of some mapi-
tade, and the annals would be very voluminous.
Mr. Lawrence said it was admitted that the bankrupt
was not in default, as the books bed all slier been in the
hands of the accountants, Meseta Hart &WM%
An adjournmeat to the 10th of Jaly was ordered, the
sitting then to be for list examination only.
Mr. Joseph Hart, the eecountaet es/gaged under the
direction of the court, states that as far as his hiveninkin
has proceeded, the liabilities are Italy 450.0001., and may
prove to be 50,0001. or 100.0001. more. The smite an
expected to yield about 180,0001.