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out-door relief. Such was not the cue, and, therefore, he
was of opinion that out-door relief should be afforded.
Mr. CONNOLLY supported the insertion of the clause
proposed by the hon. baronet, the member for Waterford,
end said that it wm the bounden duty of the leg Nature to lay
down the broad principle, that every man shoted live by the
sweat of I.is brow.
Mr. STAFFORD felt the great importance of the ques-
tion which had been brought torward by the hon. baronet,
but looking to the attendance of hon. members, especially
from Ireland, he put it to him whether it would not be
better to postpone his motion till the third reading of the
bill.

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Sir W. SOMERVILLE said that it was highly desirable
that they should return to the workhouse test as loon as pos-
sible, but at the same time the present system could not be
abolished until some means were found to support the people.
(Hear, hear.) He admitted, without reserve, that the wirk-
house test was a hiahly desirable mode of asoertaining the
existence of paupi risen ; but the condition of Ireland was
now so critical, that the government could not appoint any
day on which to re establish it. He hoped the hon. baronet
would comply with the suggestion thrown out to him, and
withdraw the motion for the present.
Sir H. W. BARRON raid, that having heard the admis-
sion made by the Secretary for Ireland, he was willing to
withdrew his motion.
The clause was accordingly withdrawn.

Col. DUNNE then moved the inserion of a clause to the
following purport• that in electoral divisions, where the
rate-payers of aay tows land or union of townlends within
such division shall nod. vake to support a portion of their
poor, then such townlands to bee xempted from any rate,
except for union and estsblis•.m^nt charg. a. In the iv. nt
of any pauper appealing to the board against the support
afforded him under the foregoing circumstances, the guar-
dian to give him relief ; and in case of de-
cision of guerdians being disputed, appeal to he
tc the magistrates and assist.at barristers at quarter sessions
The effect of the clause woult be to permit boards of guar •
dims when combinations of town lands undertook to sup-
port a proportionate part of the p cup. ran of the electoral
division to exempt them from the payment of rates, except
for union or establishment charges.

Mr. C. LEWIS said that a bill had been introduced into
the house by the hon. member for Stroud similar in its
principle to the proposition introduced by the hon. and gel
lent gentleman. The house had fully discussed that bill,
and had rejected it on the ground that it would be intro-
ducing the system of labour rate.
Mr. P. SCROPE said that the proposal before the house
was one calculated to stimulate private employment, and be
would, therefore, give it his support.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the clause. The principle
could be carried out without difficulty, and he believed that
it would be attend.d with the best eonsegut noes.
Sir H. W. BARRON suggested that the clause should be
modifi,d by limiting it to three jean fur the purpose of
giving it a fair trial.
Sir G. GREY called upon the house to recollect that the
principle of the clause had hen submitted to the house in
the bill of the hon. member for Stroud, and, after amyle du
cussisn, had been rsjectid by a tesjority of 166 to 41, ant.
most of the Irish members were amongst the majority.
Mr. GROGAN had voted ag►ioat the bill of the hon.
member for Stroud, and h,.a dune so because he c.maidered
that it was to a certain extent an interference with labour.
He approved, however, of the principle of the clause, and he
hoped the government would c..nsent to take it into thesr
hands and modify it in tuck a manner as to make it prim
:iemble.

Lord J. RUSSELL considend that it was difficult to d's
cover any Tian by which this aurae could be carried ont. It
was true teat toe principle had been to sum .! exttitt carried
out voluntarily in some pati,hi.s in England and La tl,ud, and
if any of the farmers and cmpl-yers of Ire' nd now wi,hcd
to ecuphy the destitute labour la, m proportion to the argots
of the laud, they were petfectly at liberty to do so without
any compulsory envc,ment. The wording of the clause was
so vague that he did not thiuk they would bjusutied in
adopting it.
After some furthtr conversation the committee dividtdi
and the numb. rs were :
For the clause lB
Against it ...

Majority
Tte clause WM scordlngly lost.
Sir 0. J. NORRE VS then moved the insertion of a clause,
provicing fur the paj meet contrac.urs and other • fur deb:.
outstanding, the amount of which c mid not be paid out of
the rates etre. dy collected, or prospeclesly by the amt ant
still to be obtained, by empowering the guardians to borr-,w
m .ney for that purpose, under certaiu conditions and re.
stiiltions
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Sir G. GREY opposed the clause, as be believed that it
could not he carried out. Ile could not cons. nt to give con-
tractors a first they. e on the rates, as Le believed that tLe
first charg. should eve r be for the relief of the poor.
Alter a short conversation the clause was negatives' with-

out a
Lori NAAS thin moved the junction of the following
clause :
And be it enact, d, tha' sea much of na act passed in the second
year of Iler present /d.ij. sty's reign, intituted, " An Act for the
more effectual Relief of the &imitate Poor In Ireland," as enacts
" that any covenant or agreement whereby any person lid& to pay
rent, and entillor under the proviidonit of this act to deduct therefrom
any rate or portion of ra!e, ball Pave covenant. or agreed, or shall
hereafter covenant or agree• to forego ouch deduction. shall, ro far as
such rate I+ coneerned, be of no ettevt," be rep tiled, excc,,t as to
any thing heretofore done Ur DOW pending under this act.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he had no übjiction to this
clause.
Aftir a shot discwsion, in wh'ch Sir D. Norriys, Mr. S.
Craw ford, and Mr. P. Sergipe joined, the tommittee divided.
Far the clause
Against it
The clause w.is then inserted in the bill.
The CHAIRMAN reported pr :press and leave was
granted to sit again on Tnursday at 12 o'clock.
The house then acijouracil at five minutes to three o'clxk
till five o'clock.

The hou,e reassembled at 5 o'clock.
PUBLIC HEALTH—CITY OF LONDON.
Mr. WILD asked the Secretary of State for the Hom,
Depart,. ent, if his attention had been directed ti the state-
ment of Mr. Simon, the (Act r of public health for tho city
of Lyndon, u to the earsis of certain cues of cholera wittiti
the city of London ; and abet it it were his intension to intro-
duce any measure, Outing the present station of parliament,
14 the prevention of tee interment of dead bodies within the
ci, y of London.
Sir G. GREY Pail he had rot wen the statement referred
to, at don inquiry at the Board of Health on the p•evione
day, he found that no such statement had been made. No
doubt cases of cholera had otcurred, chiefly in locali ice in
which the miasma was injurious; but they had not been
confined to churarrds in the mo'ropolis. A bill wu in
prenarati•.n, and would shortly be introduced, havine for is
object (se we understood) the proLitition of interments in
certain cues.