The Express.
London, England, 1847-06-04 00:00:00

CONSERVANCY BILL.

On the motion that the report on this bill be further con-
sidered,
Sir R. INOLIS asked whether the Attorney-General had,
on the part of the mown, given his scent to the surrender
made in this bill of the rights of the crown is the soil of the
Thames.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL replied in the affirmative.
Mr. HUME expressed his approbauon of the measure ;
that theheld out was, that, when the various
im ft toin the current of the Thames were
cleared away, upon shipping, which now defrayed
the awe= if dim operations, would no longer be levied.
The Ma. walaber etleeesd to the constitution of the pro-
posed eeseurvaney board, conaidering that instead of nine-
toss asseation, all of them aldermen or common oouneihnen,
there should be only twelve members, three aldermen, live
common councilmen, and four gentlemen immediately con-
sulted with the shipping and commercial interests. (Hear.)
The hon. member, for the purpose of effecting thin amend-
ment, moved that the bill be recommitted.
Mr. WARD said that in principle his hon. friend might
be quite right, but as the corporation of London had been
from all time the coneervatore of the river Thames, and had
pledged their credit for carrying en them operations to the
extent of nearly half a million sterling, he did not see how,
without the oonsent of the City, the proposed re-arrangement
of the board could be made. _

The Earl of LINCOLN blamed the corporation of London
for the delay which impeded the settlement of the dispute
with the crown, as to the right in the soil of the Thames.
HU own opinion was, that the Board to be appointed should
allaziat of a mitred commission, in which the public were
equally repeeented with the corporation, and he instanced
the precedent of a similar dispute as to the navigation of the
Money. the enserratiou of which had bees treeederred, at his
raril by the liberality of the eirmation of =Liver-
e riled eseeesisioe, in which tilie corporation had
only he ado ofeepeeedetion. He was quite confident that
the bill would adienteatidestion.
Visaed MOIRPITH begged to explain the course which
he had thought dt to take with respect to the bill. On coming
into °Mao Is• found that the interests of navigation were
meidely allsoted by the dedicting authorities to which the
of the Thum was intrusted. A creede-
rVitimftedameedled eateeleiledon, but a suit then going en
between the City mad the Crown prevented its reetamesnia.
ton being carried Weasel. He (Viscount Morrell_ ) feed
that the suit had imeeeseiced in 1844, and was not Mary te
eel for at least three pers. Under theme circumstances, and
although he believe' the right of the crown to be a legitimate
mai well humid Nis, having boss informed by the
Yea ties se impormenents in the river could go on whit
Tea.
eat wee pemillog. be bad introdend this bill for the peoples
putilnir eeminallen to tbe Wigethefe. cad thus
:vest eta, nesemsry imprewerente being
The eillakally had approved den the improvements
Indlitad by the bgr t sad the board of oesserveney would
had to carry them into effect. The corporation of
Lander had words of 100,0001. per annum of dues at
their dtspassl,sd ovoid not therefore be crippled for want
"MY he believed that no sum which could be
raised, if thegeddaret's claims were enforced, wool I be of
the slightest use. The expenditure would be directed by
the-board of dessesimmy, under the mmervieion of the gene-
ral beard, and would be subject to the examination of an in-
spieler et tried skill and ability. On the whole, he thought
haled gm debt I. postponing the legal right of the crown
to whet every MS seksowledged to be a great and important
palls geed. (Rees, bear.)
Mk T. DIINCOXBX opposed the bal. He looked upon
rimy wassre that emanated from the corporation of Lon-
don with a coneiderebd degree of suspicion. (A laugh.)
Mr. WILLIAMS Aimed to a board of conservancy com-
posed eiclueively of atedire of the corporation. He thought
that the *hippie end memeereial interests of the City should
be repeemed fa seek a breed.
Xi. AbIeemmODPILAND thought that the government
bed allopesi a vie mom to posing an end, by a reasonableesigmelektektedhee ami .ve
Xr. 00 seek a dwarf Mew of the measure.
Mr. J. 8. WORTLEY opposed the bill, as giving such
important powers to any lased beard. He thought that a
bill which wee nearly es haportaat as the Health of Towne
Bill, should be brought forward as a public, not a private,

said, that his object was meetly the recom-
mittal of the bill.
. _ . .

The doti.; dyed.—Fer recroamittaL 7l
Against it 66-6
Bir R. INGLIS inquired whether, in ors • the bill were
drop by the :rut and rejiated by the house, the
suit between the e sad the crown uto the right in the
NS of the river be revived
Lett MAMA repleektbat the wit err still peadiss,
Iltbe pthesat Amid nth Ism the eragermot
twend,ain the esepeesties awl the to m yield ben
Marty et
an rad, sad the Bretwilth peseta
Ti. bill wee deme 1111611114 to Da ;ialuadtted on Monday
aut.
BRITISH 11112RYRNTION PORTUGAL.

lITAIUME asked whether the Chneetko of the Earls.
quer istanded to mere a Tots at supply teneenw, In order
to amble him (Mr. Hain) to king an hie maks in respect
te the akin of Penned ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EMORRQUER could only
• repeat the donnas' white bed bees made on a Smear
overlay by his nide Maid, the Hat Lard of the Tunny,
thattisegressemenheeght it ambablensinly on knows
emennkhet ememst Sall penis% that *ekes shoal& Is
k peemelenefthesgems eentakko all the insesaties ens
the Inkiest to whin ibe hem sember's manes mokeed,le-
hee they preemielle Mess h. He hadgreetMprtbattbe
papers weal& be gramenl es Meshy ; and as ems es key
wen in the bob el neembine he would, as the OS niggly
sight, men a wilee in seas is give an oppielnily of big-
ing es the dionelen. (Seer, hear.) Towsnew (We day)
be fleineed an with the Inn Dimmest = bike
the-eir SAM
M. LULU' nimbi lo the disessise an the rms.
ties of klehhinsventles to Portage' being delayed. The
=lameld an peel* risky isKOMM11611•11 by is
s Inman an twonnew, as they were in emendon of
the pens met king aII the inermatios, and wend so far
have an admale. ewer their eggements.
The CHAE=LLOR tithe EXCHEQUER thought it
weebl M 1111.114 onviemble that the dissmins should mime
an ma all net inn= tak gait in It should be in
poseedenef the Shemeeles es welfee die goveremett.
Mr. RUKE.—An I nnierelled that the sementee of I
apply will positively be mend es Mesday, is reds that I
may then bring a raw motion ?
Lord PALMIEEWN.—I can mesa sty hon. Mend that
the utmost nations an making, and will sestina to be
made, to preps, the pot n an I confidently hop they
will be in the kris of einthers ea hinder.
Mr. BORTHWICIE isgehed whether, if the papers
should be is the basket membees on Yesis, , the
laitwould y ea the glades on the ev of
Mwdty ~sd ?
The CHANCELLOR et the EXCHEQUER replied in
the Slimed....
Sir D. L. EVANS thought at least one day should be
allowed to memben to peruse the papers ;before the discus-
sion was brought on. (Hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was askew
to meet the wish at the house, and, it it were be
would say Thursday or Friday neat for distendes.
(" No, no," and • high) Ha noble hien would date
to morrow when the mire would be delivered, and then
they ft a fix OM dalr; but he wished it to be, however
en
that Is did set meta to move the emennittee el
frise
eta
ereneen
MEL Owen it weld see le asseenisme that the
loess skald be hit in neertaisty votatbar a dlsrsrrMs of
al Wan Fent neald be losmildig= kneed la Monday
er set. .) the g wenall valu-
ations, wadi estainly t7;211.1.4 /betis should be al-
lowed W rued there, milt they were sot delivered before
4'l_2 they teloodY Most to M Ortliclently &t-
-aloa the insmation they contained to enable
a so eater eithadventage upon the discussion. (Beet.)
better plan would be to wait till to-morrow, and then,

when the noble lord stated when the papers would positively
be delivered, they might fix a day for bringing oa the
maim. (Hear)
Hr. HUMS, under these elreanistansee, would wait till
tomorrow.

PRISONS BILL.
Sir G. GRIT, in moving the committal of this bill, stated
that this and the Custody of Offenders Bill, which stood
next on the list of orders, formed part of one general system
ef arrangement ; and he would, therefore, deal with both at
the same time. The first bill proposed to constitute a new
hoard or management for the three national prisons of Mill-
bank, Pentonville, and Parkhurst, the constitution of which
would be similar to that by which the Pentonrillats:en
was now governed, and composed of men of experience,
whose attention had been directed to dm subject of prison
discipline; one of the commissioners to be a pia officer, who
would be required to give up the whole of hie time to the
duty, and who would be in constant Meneetudeittim with
the Secretary of State. Under this bead of maseganent
would be also platted the hulks, and ell Wow plans of con-
diments., which, under the 6th of Geo. IV., were
gresbe the reception of cowrie!' in this country.
this commission would slso devolve the dodos
which bad hitherto been discharged by the sorsa'.
inteadent of convicts. This new board of
meat wculd involve no increase of offices, and
no increase in the patronage of the government. The alas
under this commission would be mere eubitltutioes he m-
isting offices, which were to be abolished. The mega 1611
proposed to place Irish convicts nada the same tegalMiess
in reference to the transportation act as applied to these of
Ragland and Scotland. The second clause of the same DW,
gave the power of removing convicts either in Groat Hater '
or Ireland from one prison to another. He believed ammo
apprehension existed as to the effect of that elapse.
bat by the amendments he proposed to make°,lZ
the mplanations he intmoled to give in ..amities, he
beW all objections would be met; if oat he should
below, to attend to any —me that might be alma,
mar agree to inch alterations es sort be therattessirep
ha seenring the efficient Oa sure. (User,
hear.) Having thus dated the of both armares, he
woad proceed to deal with dr postai question—the im-
portant subject of secondary peolasmater
wise.) He
MS aware of the great important. of OM and also
fif the difficulties by which it use someasied. the {m-
=mskall were aware, but few whir bed not attended
i the subject were sensible of the dinculties. (Hear.)
Same, like his bon. friend
tithe =dabs*, Matron, wen, he
believed, disposed to gem saes
sagest as ttoogratiody
free from difficulty, and, en the palmier that po erallso
wee better than cure, sanded rot, by akin ;pep be
ILTIKto the people • rood admarks, onemperma
semegentent and ot risme weal he era-'
ismoseseary. He athe heretanes at abhor
• end, after whet hal cons plose in the dirmar on a
prosier occasion, the betas wield mot require Mat to say
anything further on that subject. The importance of Po-
satiAg the people had also been admitted by the house,
which kad, by a age majority, affirmed the proposition
that it was the duty el the state to promote education by all
the means at its diessaL (Cheers.) He, however, was
afraid, that whatever mesas they might take to promote
education, and prevent crime, prisons would still be near-
eery, and that it would still be incumbent on the govern-
ment, and on parliament, to consider how they could best
deal with criminal offenders while suffering under the
✓amie of the law, and the beet means of discipline which
mold be applied to them. With the experience of the
ham of former schemes, it was impossible to propose a
am one without great difficulty, and without feeling that
untertainty must attend the experiment, and the great object
of the present experiment was to combine the important
pelneiple of reformation with that of punishment. (Hear,
hear.) Little had been done hitherto towards the future re-
formation of the prisoner, the great object being—punish-
ment; all that had been done having been effected by the
exertions. the benevolence, and the zeal of private indivi-
deals, amongst whom he considered himself justified in
miming Mrs. Fry and Sarah Martin. (Hear, hear.)
At the present moment, however, there existed greater
Wildfire then at any former period for embodying
that principle in a new system, and the government
hoped to do so with effect. The right hon. gentleman
having glanced at the general character of transportation,
which, although convenient as a means of punishment,
materially diminished the responsibility which attached to
any government, by removing the criminal, to such a dim
tones, submitted, after the experience of successive govern-
ments, and their ineffectual attempts to carry it out with
benefit under different systems, that they could not persist in
that endeavour, with a due regard to the reformation of the
offenders, or the interests of the colonies to which those
I offenders might be sent. (Hear, hear.) He declined to
refer to the early history of transportation, but quoted the
reports of 1837 and 1833, to show that, as a punishment.
transpcetation was greatly to be objected to by reason of
its inequality under the matgnotent argent ; men being
sometimes placed thereby in a better median than when they
eteranitted the offences for which they had been transported.
Items in fact a system of slavery, which corrupted the
ameba without tending to the reformation of the criminals.
and possessed one only benefit—that of causing the dispersion
of the criminals. (Hear, lo sr.) It was in consequence
shortly after discontinued. Other changes were also made.
In fact every mocasive Secretary of State, with the best
actives, tried separate plans ; the result of which had only
been to acessaulate a massif evidence, showing that it would
be unwise end impolitic to adhere to any of thews plans.
Lord litooloy, altar laying down general principles, in which
the home wead_probably be direr& to concur, proposed
that them Piano five stems of peoldwaset, all of which
PPM lake pies in the colony sod which embraced the
proems. But the imential Potent of rope
Csraimill
rer:atamibuadanos or seareley is the colony ; and
his of room were founded upon the supposi-
den get was a sufficiency of capital in that colony—
nearly, Yea 's Land. In a despatch of the Under
Begeorm, of the Colonial-office to the Treasury, dated 21st of
November, 1845, it was dated that it had been represented
to Lesintenkp,, upon the highest authority, that the demand I
far Isissnrin Van Diemen's Land was such as to exclude any I
appeared= that the colony could not provide for any num-
bee of free labourers. But this assumption turned out to be
enesime is peat of fact, as appeared is despatches from
the preset aVanDimnsn's Land. The result was a conflict
between theessestive t and the legislative council, I
and upsolhooppre of the colonial-offices sum of
was SOWS tea He eseetquer of this country to
ibe Laoad of the colony, created by the large i
' eremet amnia population, for whom the colony had to t
Ile misa he the linandel molt of the system then
re lidgelielle in Via stew* ay any other that had I
ore flaw es any party. Bat the i
I lel=l/ M gpelks wes mai mere serious and 1
IllemilaW Lied fiesokg, is hear le as Torawry in
Ida, rid be the smemardig Milasese of -the
even samgdies MOW ingilled in Yea Blemea'ssatatti
was melt se ad& sr Is oefelemplaMdi idling* the most
lively °cams for the results. Mr. Gladder, a kw months
alter, raceasel his deliberate opinion in a letter dated May I
13, 1846, to the art that the increase of crime was I
sensibly edhatiag the general security, and that the I
say rapines isomed to be that which would have
the eldest el einlerades every mmelerg are of morality.
Sea we. the state of the treelks whom it became the duty i
Of die rem* governorse le sansislar it ; and in come-
of ommuniostiese whisk they found between Mr. 1
Gleddwe mod the •gßht be.. genderan (Sir J. Graham), I
they easdkeed it irsndispeesabiy seepory to suspend trans-
S:astia. Van Dram's load he the period of two ears,
Nada bland din spa; Os course off their
the quoin, they hid mired additional I
riders nom time to- time Ma that saw whisk, o far I
Am baths nor to hope rat they sated leemell bans- I
te it at the end of toe rem te eesereed 1
Wof the oreselky of brain ip Me etimblielmeent.
He would advert to a regime' of this essemilles el the •
lair Conseil at New near Wl= Japrielt, 1
sad which was mamba la a of the
16th April last, seed whisk aided sommeheirigteselosay
as to the gems at Neagh Lisa orl Vsa nisomo's load.
emored Met enogeobass woad be TIF
oared, sal they Pia that the puma haling of the 1
eons, wosexed to it wrier meenleados, and they
may raraCia it la the way in which
Clara. them dedgmled the probation
a* Tea Motes's Len se mor demerarang and
they ~..ai..l edam with the whoops that were
amend
as
whilisallaiszm and
Migratilielt.orldeg; and oleey regraded OM the Ikea-
=lffarlia, while be arraWed the lame of lie radios
milrnsoma to elistemithe hope thet mist
Ira mad-
a might be vs of rdoemaiss.
preps rep spoke the depret terse are or of the
=so= the tins la whisk they raid sweat to
racoons% into ais ;
pedal
perela spine Sae no the hit
el Mar peabiEsoi. more Milbg te receive ma
w th dikes a Tim and essillisail modem, wba,
if soompanied by a carter oveabor d moms,
would make a metal addition to the pegaladeo.
There was a to the some art in • War et Mr.
norm to Lei SliaLy, in whisk le viewed the sager
with refereass te the espicta, while the remeiree of the
higidair amen earlier it as mend the oda* Look-
ing le bath foes grass, those was rams, did the
ire= wee a z le gi that it ogle to la degerted fear,
set Ile a Una but news lo enamelsAs a
osearmatha of be would anode te the hark=
the Commiiseas for PestuarMe Prima. The
Here, whoa they are of the bet class, Pee mat area with
mantissa paler ; sad of the esesati, with nada of
oriareireterryne=.
biThethreseme had
, be seed to Yea ti UP, he It esmord
al Podder sa onseadasu. aloft awe the
air, they received a men with
/spa le Norfolk Island with which he weal sat trenthie
the hereto it err contained in the papers lahl lame them;
bat it wee se appals', that the remit was le maths* the
gesmersat tar the ereblisherst them amid be braes
pp. la milapalies art dears, Mr. Latgala, the sting
elYas Dime's Ld, es Ids Po
endsirthe elms be la paseeei menial L.a tel=l7set
peare), nark the ships Pile boo ogle masa to N.
Lard to hal auk and ordered tber to_ passel le mem
pert VssDissea's Lead. Hs Pa el& a= im
Seedy esmotia giving those direedesetra lie
therrommartireadast only ewer whotheboldsoplot
isMostime was read to be easiest. the
ieemrsk etre aside nand the Bee celery for the
see afar. It was Impassible to read the
poems careisieg the evidence relative to Norfolk lanai
irillesetkeiiersearissal that that establirmat ahead be
broken up. joss.) There wee mar themesat le
whisk he would raw, what was of a nature, Midi
whisk was centered in ptw 44 eta paper of
the 14th May. It was a Meet be. fahap Teareenia
to Earl Grey, fmwardMg an eddies teem the clergy-
men of the Wood* Va rheum* to transportation.

That letter spehp of the assembling of epeeists It
leading teem monsalmloo of unnaturelLiagns emilltai
gangs, leading
, and heplored that
system diertMlie ildneieid. It was signed by ge=
men and we& red by letters from several others
who had not its who gess their gegess dabs
se, but es a eceseerretios lei this Wale Mil
the'
government. state of the Gale -He now rams lb IYIn al
government. It wee that the first part at the =sentencie
of transportation should be carried out, not in a eolony,
away from the superintendence of the government, but m
this country, or so near as that the government might exer-
cise some supervision, and also free it from the evil of the
aggregation et lame masses of convicts. It was not
proposed materially to affect the letter pert of
the sentence, but that the first part should be
reformatory, lei that the system in Pentenville 1
Prison should be acted en with convicts of an age, or under
cinumstanom which rendered it capable of being applied to
them. The majority of them, on the expiration of this part
of their punishment, would be employed in this country, or
at Bermuda or Gibraltar, on public works. After that
period, those who had not received absolute pardon, would
be removed to Australia with tickets of leave and condi-
tional pardons, upon the plan recommended in the report of
the legislative council of New South Wales. The principle
of the measure was, that part of the penal sentence should be
passed in this country or at Bermuda er Gibraltar, and on the
convicts' arrival in the colony they should be free there within
certain limits, and with tickets of leave, and if their
conduct deserved it they would receive conditioael
pardon, and thus by their dispersion, the evils of aggress-
tion would be prevented. In answer to a question put to Mot
to-night by the hon. member for Dumfries, as to whether
it was the intention of the government to resume transporta-
tion to Van Diemen's Land, he could reply, that in the Man-
ner in which it had hitherto been carried on it was not the
intention of the government to do so, or to permit that "ye-
tem to continue in New South Wales or Van Diemen's Land,
which had been denounced in the report of the legislative
council. The principle on which the government was about
to act was not new, for it had been recommended by the
committee which coasidered the subject of transportation,
and previously to that by the committee on secondary
punishments, which sat in 1832. (Hear hear.) The
opinions and predictions of those committees of the
impossibility of the experiment sueceeding, had bees
verified by the results of the system. They alluded to the
inadequacy of the Penitentiary at that time to contain the
prisoners for the infliction of the first part of their punish-
ment. But at prevent the facilities were greater. The
prison at Peritoneale had been built since, and was opened
in 1802 for the reception of 500 prisoners. The prison at
Perth bad also been built, and at present arrangements were
in progress for buil:ling a similar prison in Ireland. In the
different counties, improvements had been mad* in the
prisons, many of them being conducted on the model of
that at Bentonville. They hid now had actual experience
of the working of the prison at Pentonville. The hon.
member for Montrose seemed, the other night, to have some
doubts of the results, bat he (Sir G. Grey) could my that
so far as it had gone, they were most satisfactory. It was
important to know what was the conduct of prisoners after
they arrived at their destinations. The evidence was smell,
fur the time had been short in which there was any experi-
ence of their conduct. In the last Report of the Commis-
Seinen of Pentonville Prison, there was a statement of the
effect of the discipline on the prisoners, and reviewing these
different report', it stated that in the last four years there
was a great moral end religious improvement, and they had
no hesitation in saying that the result was satisfactory. The
system of separate confinement had produced a salutary
change in the conduct of the prisoners. They said that the
separation of prisoners should be the hauls of all
improvement, and they were still of the same
opinion as to the moral advantages to be derived
from the system, and they bore testimony to its results,
which were unparalleled in the history of prison discipline.
The ranker their entire experience was that the separation
of prisoners must be the basis of all reformatory discipline.
It was at the same time indispensable to secure constant end
vigilant medial attendance, and to have such a modification
of the solitary system as could be obtained by such employ.
meat as would interest the mind and cecupy the time of the
prisoners, accompanied by regular exercise. Such was the
deliberate opinion of the comnurdoners of Pentonville prison,
signed, among others, by the medical commissioners Sr B.
Brodie and Biz IL Ferguson. He regretted that those
continua ware unable to continue members of
the eoeueission, and he trusted that their &aria-
niece would be made occasionally available. In their letter
of resignation, they mid that, on the whole, they had been
led to the conclusion that the separate system, if carefully
watched and aocompanied with attention to diet and venti-
lation, was an instrument of great good; and, whatever
were its imperfections, they were nothing compared to the
association of criminals of different degrees of guilt, but
it required careful supervision, especially by the chap-
lains and medical attenuants. In a former part of this
report, allusion was made to the desire to receive exiles from
Pentonville prison at Port Philip, and of there being no
difficulty in finding employment for them. It was stated
that their conduct was excellent, their habits regu-
lar, and free from that intemperance which usually
characterised the other convicts ; that the best class
of men in the colony were to be bad from the
Pentonville exiles superior to most of the emigrants, and they
seldom committed crimes. In his recent despatches Mr.
Latrobe in announcing the arrival of a ship with these con-
victs, said, that close and watchful attention should be given
to their future conduct; and that he would report what that
conduct was. Into the question of separate confinement, as
distinct from the 'dart system, he would not enter, is its
details were well understood; but he would call attention to
a report preowned by H. de Stranger to the chamber of
peers in Franco on the sySem of imprisonment in which he
described the systems of confinement as pursued in
America, in this country at Pentonville, and in other coun-
tries, and as regarded both refirmation and punishment, he
gave a positive recommendation that thatsystem should be the
basis of that to be adopted hereafter in France. There might
I be cases in which the system was not applicable; but it might
be true of every system of transportation, that it was inap-
plicable to some persons. He had received a letter lately
from one of the judges, who had been compelled to sentence
to transportation a man between 70 and 80 years old, who
was quite unfit for it, and he wished to know how he was to
be disposed of. But, with regard to the great mass elan.
mina!" sentenced to transportation, than was mama
enough to show that they might be subjected to
modified in the manner recommended by the
Considerable alarm had been excited with reopen to this
expenses to which counties would be exposed SS INOSultt of
the custody of offenders; but that alarm wee esemitemery, es,
in substance, he was prepared to agree to the saggethea made
by the hon. member for Berkshire on a former evening, by
which the expense of maintaining prisoners of the class
referred to, namely those sentenced to transportation, but
detained in the county gaols of the country, should be borne—
not by the counties, but by the government. In anticipation
of these bills passing into law, arrangements with this view
bad been effected with the visiting justices of the Wakefield
prison, in which two new wings could at once be made
available for the purposes at carrying out the new system,
mail solantosiontissis wessiaammeas with the magistrates of
Darkshire he the nes
meta el the now gaol at
in a similar ammr. these emangemants, lir tinle 1
some the law" thrit en the pen of the peen s.tere
rinds dimethisa to eke land lasptmp Ida the jos-
tles, bat that the tarns shay be *eel ipaa kir and
equitable principles. He tins maw to the ..sad stags of
the poakhomat of perms :Zee& to trampartation—that
safs=zhoj tiona imam government works in the
bone, or thin to Bermuda or Gibraltar
to mantrust bubo= of selege or fortifications. His views
M this plat wore flay math known to the public by the
War be bad addremel Is bis noble friend the Colonial Se-
cretary. He thaw thinned& be a necessity, in ardor to •
tarty the pia into emiondis. fir hoping an increased nom-
bra of consists ea board the MON at home. H. did not see
the ban. mamba, for Timber, (Mr. T. Duneombe) in his
=what still he mint thorn, that whin the hon. somber
breath isms time slam his notion on the subject
den lathemsat of esavins at Washoisk, ha (Sir O. Grey)
bad meowed lie baby m Is the swiregy of the
staisnomes meth. However ,_ an inquity bad been ia-
=at wash the than epprtunity bed both
to the boa. umber to sabstantiat• his cian. It was
rely_yonarday that he (Sir G. Grey) bad received the smart
dantheia Williams, before whom the invade fns the
oondasink and es yet be had mot had tines le wine I.
H• holimad, however, tint whitest thawing thythems Is
the gym
,st Wosithehomple grathe- had bens arra hr
the ima and bpi tionsithe thisibt that the thesis et Ise
thugs thiesemley. we the Is the both morkens In bar-
ing lath& the widen teamsnidaratia atoprils.
of 01.1oha would his
Irttafirmrarraseeises sunlination, with a ,few to the
of ea hopevad spasm at the belt, end tithe ft
alibth istithalny MEM eflanybog out the semi etzt
the peeped pith (Hem, item) With the sans
the beam hal eamliened a vote et 26,0001. hit the
arsalisa of sesvi" beenths at Portland for the Temp-
lies of semi* to la employed on the works ialeadad
to be asmammod them, and from a ccarespeedleres
with Colusisi Jobb, he horned that parties were reedy
to alga sentnara for the ineation of removable bunch' to
' asionmeadats 300 °myths, te be lodged at Portland daring
the pewees at the pseament banding, so that no delay
1 WOUN b. essrissull la *AR mirth He (Sit 0. Om) baa
been mini bow hog the Iritht of employing
_, coed an
public wads was 11l 01•11•10. Hit was, that this
would very amerling to the anotenes passed mesa the elks-
den, whinthe liar 7, 10, or 16 yam' lthamenalkth sr he life.
The redastisa of the period would be mss ereled by the
mail end initheleus m
'duon of the mann btheall
to third
suollewndens of Caplan Manamith.
• OM to sera yeas Andind his
Ela. 81,
IMe aaniathall limealf wail, et the midi of thee
man mthisheif s If ametheld to Ma Math at the and of
&Mren on.
K.BEI : And what is the practice with regard to
m onth Iffiampartad for life ,
Ile Q. mom aid the rule, as laid down by Lord Stanley
ad Me. Obiaisse. bosh of whom declared in distinct tarots
that a men smilensel was net to be treated en a movie* for
life, was the twonlyanor yeass wee to be him astir maxi-
mum dais Wm af leensperialisa he life, awl, of aurae,
the slabs= elan ratan yes twelve years. A portion '
of the sandage tithe coeds" ef which an amount would be
Zeate. would Is at link disposal, with a view to assist in the
' to them of their wino and families. It bee
stated bile.
dasitluest.Drounitam, in a pamphlet he had
to Lord that the offset of this plan would be to
drive all ermine at Meglaith over to France. Of tM I
however, a meat debate in lin !mask Chamber, in whirl
the speech of the aside wad learned lord in another plan
bad been fully die—d, thorned that the French govern.
meat entertained no alms an this 'abject. He had now
generally stated the plane/flag s government. He was
aware that it might be open te , but he trusted that
Vris
Oahe* ben. vs fisis soilams* diey would consider well
the MIS of theramethwy iaiimmenon which was on the table,

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