The Express.
London, England, 1851-03-01 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS, SATURDAY EVENING, MARCH 1; 1851.

bills referred to the committee of selection diming the pre- quer and myself to solicit us to suspend the laws, and to nation, and with every prospect of success—l have felt that I I
seat seesion ; and that any committee orecentnittees to whom ask for an indemnity from parliament for doing so; that I my great comfort was that I was acting with men in whom i
any statipposed turnpike road bills may be referred, shall might have shrunk trum the difficulties of thews times and 1 had the utmost confidence, on whose.. judgment I could I
have power to consider the same, any provision in the 106th these eircumstanerri. (Cheers.) And when, at a later pe- rely, and in whose integrity I relto., the mnst perfect 1
atanding order uotwithetandiug.LOrdered.
. vied, the whole of Europe was shaken by revolutions, and faith. (Hear, hear.) Perhaps the house will allow me to 1
1'l; BLIc IscslNE,:s. every prorpect tainted that the various treaties which quote some passages from a great statesman who used to •
A number of petitions having been present .1, Wind Europe tngether would be diseolved, and when the be frequently quoted in this house, who used to be fres ,
Colonel (Aerie, fur Bedfordshire, and Sir G. TYLER,
example of them revolutions and these disturbances, abroad, quently referred to as a guide in our deliberation., who is
had tempted to the wiolotion of public order in this coon- much less referred to now, but whose opinions are never- •.
far Olamurganshire, severally took the oaths and their seats.
try—when throughout Ireland there were clubs organised thcless of great weight—l mean Mr. Burke. Burke says •
THE MINISTERIAL CRISIS. and nrepsred to spread rebellion over the land—(a cry of The only method which has ever been found effectual to preserve
Oa the oils of the day for the second smiling of the o „No, no, from Irish members, answered by cheers from any ...sun" the congo. A ..,..., .
plc is on habit of
Bechalastical Titles Bill being read, members, on all other sides of the house)—when there hie and seamen eatien ofeounse:s with th, most vlr eats and i labile- .
Lord J. ItUSeRLL rose and said—Su, in moving the were plots, organised and prepared to spread rebellion spirited men of the are rut hoe in. nabs a waist, resort be kept , .
postpotement of this order of the day, I will take the over that land, I might, possibly, have shrunk from sdirlthouct ianseese,:sce:loi:deveted wittouta, .ale. Feu twos tut, 0: tt:114;
opportunity of stating to the house what has occurred since the difficult of governmint in these times. But affects d ads such sspetitt. lir?: theavit*tinlYrhicart‘ityotclilatmartbrt, I I
I asked theta on Moods" last to consent to an asljournment Ido say that, not haring shrunk under any of these cir- , „..,.,d, the ~,,,,,,iii,iiii. a ye., f..ii,,,,, ,
. and I than Ms, r blush -for
to this el iy. (Hear.) Rut, before Ido so, I think it Weft- curnstances and these difficulties —having met thole eircum- say wig-, t cona,asoy. Alt revere:an to honour, ad ins of whet It Is.
awry to notice a contradiction I rut tired to the statement I sumecs awl overmans. these ditlleulties—it was not likely . wall he loot out of Ue. ono ld, but re it can be Ireton aas a :au tto any
" , ewe that he hollers elnel esonectei wee to ee Inc ropirable
made to the house Isa Monay night. ((Sheers.) I stated that I should shrink at the jeresience of such a difficulty
as that occasion that; Lordlytaniey haying been tent for that which I allude to. When commerce WWI enUriShiag, '!e,..,11. r.ng.ikedliad, waa whom tor 11 year. I have ointantly, ,
by the Queen, had stated to her Majesty that he was not the people priapism's, and the only difficulty of the ex- 1 ''. ua, '''''''
Sir, adopting these sentiments, I have to my that for
lien prep.:. d to form a gosserisni-ht, and that I was tbere- chequer was that it was fuller than was altogether conveni-
more than eleven years I have thought and acted with some!
apes required to repair to Buckingham Palaces The house ent—(much lahter)—and when, in fact, the country had
will yeniembsr that I IrtCcittli tt contradiction to that been placed in a state of prosperity and of "' certainly,,, of the moat eminent men in this country. When I first
parliament, I benefited by the counsels and fol-
matement in terms very PercuiPtory—(loud cheers of equal to that which bad existed at any urmer time—it . Came into
I lowed the example of such men as Rondly, Macintosh, and
assent from all parts of the house)—and in a manner • would have been impossible, I say, that I should shrink
mat very courteous. (Aestatine cheers repeated.) Sir, from the circumstances and the difficultier which then pre-
Homer. (Hear, hear.) When I first came into paella
I now teed it due to my own honour to state, in the first' seated themselves. (Cheers.) But, sir, I wish to take this merit, I did an under the auspices of the lofty
• Met nothing was further from my intention than to !opportunity of stating some opinions with ftgard to three patriotism, then tempered by the experience, of Lord
I
asisreprewiet the conduct of Lord Stanley. (Loud cries of I questions that have occupied the public mind and the tacos, i Grey, and under the uwetentatious public spirit and
s' Hear, hear.") For my Lord Stanley I entertain the !non of this house. The one, and the most important one, incorruptible disinterestedness of Lord Althnrp. (Hear,
b.ghest Fele ,•t ; I have fought in parlia:nentary battles lis the question of free trade and free import.. N.., hear.) With such men it has been my pride and fortune to
e
ads by sals with him, and I have fought aboo face to face I I claim no credit whatever, for the establi.hment of the pre-
act. I will not speak of the living, but so lots as it is my
swing him ; and in all times, tinder all circumstances, and !sent law on that subject. That system which the govern- I (ate t° take part in public affairs, it will be my endeavour
in ever) situates's, I had every occasion to admirehis spirit,' meant of Lord Melbourne proposed was of a very different to consort with such men as Burke speaks of—men with
his courage, and his honour. (Great ehetring.) There- kind. That was a system of a moderate fixed duty on corn, whom I agree on public principles, and from whose wisdom
fore, wr, I should be sorry irides 41 if anything that fell from I and a differential duty nn sugar rind on timber. These I ran earn the best guarantee for the public welfare. (Hear.
am did not convey a correct repro entation of what Lord I pmpfted., however, were rejected by the House of Con-
hear.) So long as this country shall endure, I believe such
Stanley Whited to his Sovereign. (Hear, hear.) But, sir, 11,0124 and the country. In the year 1814, the whole of the is the hest course that can be pursued. tome men may
the house will recollect that it was my duty wit to gu into country bad assumed a different aspect. On Nov. 1 of thiuk that our standard of public virtue is now higher, that
details -not to Mrc Mite particular ciumstanft o s—nd, above that year, Sir Robert Peel suggested to the other members it has risen higher thin it was in the time of Burke—
all, act to sum& what I had heard of conversations that ,of his cabinet tkat, at no distant day, the corn laws must be some may think that it has sunk lower— my
bad taken plass., but to state shot appeared to me the ' repented. In the same month, and without any previous belief is that from such men as I have men-
general result of what hovel pasnotl. (Hear, hear.) It was consultation with anybody, I published my ow¢ opinion— tined both this country and the world will derive
quite necessary that I should state the is aims Ally, after "that the time was come when the turn laws enuld no lon- bolcfit, and that future ages, not only iu this coun-
fuming taken leave of her Majesty, I hail ben again ger he mainttined, and that the only safe course was, tore try, but in the western world, will thank- them for the
restnireel to repair to the palace. That that was necessary, reed to th- it repeal." (Rear, hear.) sir Robert feel huinanity they have inculcated, for the freedom that they
is obvious by the 'mimes statement. that were circulated— gave the to of that change of puldic opinion have enlarged, for the just principles which they taught to
statements csteulatt d, some of them previous to the hon. and of the final legislation which followed, to , the world. (Cheers.) Sir, so lung as I take part in public
niesalser's contrachetion some of them ~,,i,.., gourd to that the hon. menber for the West Riding (Mr. Cobden.) affsift, whatever my situation may be, I will endeavour to
'gatemen:. but all of which men a-nted the noble lord asansi. (Loud cheers.) And, undoubtedly, the benefits the country folio" the example of such men as the best guide of my
ems to form a government, and Ts pro %intents fas- Sc. has ing en- ha. derived from that change, though they are due in public career. (Renewed cheers.) Sir, I beg to move that
wesenuced to sae re my wuy uninsito dto the presence of my great part to the bat. Sir IL. Peel, are likewive due in great the IllalSe, at its rising, do :adjourn to Monday next.
sovereign. while Lord Stanley was engaged in that OCCUpa- part, to that hon. member. (Hear, hear.) I claim ft r- Mr. DISRAELI said that it had been assumed Ly Lord
nen. (Claes en) Sir, what reedy securmal was this. hits tainly—l cannot say I claim no share, but I claim the Stanley that on Monday evening no reference would he
royal 13101114,. rlttsts Albert wrote to MC a letter on the smallest share in that chmete in our commercial policy made to his share in what had passed, but that Lord 41 ..
abortion, of Saturday, and, with her Majesty's permission. But that change which was 1-111.(1.11 in 1816, and which I 'Wooled would merely state that Lord Stanley had been sent
sad with that of his mat bights. ss. I will read to the house sepport• dto the best of my ability, I believe in its effects for, and F 4, have concluded; but in the event of any state-
the cestents of twit 1. 'ter. It was as 6.1101111:-1. Lord has Teen mint be neficial to the state. (Loud cheers) I meat beiug made that Lord Stanley had declared hiniftlf
swot, has, after a cotifenvsee with her Majesty, believe that the great mass of the people of this country ore uspre pared to form a government—('' hear, hear," from
of mere than an hour, declined the formation of • enjoying benefit. in con.quence of that change which they numerous voices)—he (Mr. Disraeli) had been desired not to
government, at present, until he +twit hear that no other will not consent to see endangered. (Loud eh, „Ts.) when let an unqualified statement of that kind pass unnoticed.
government taw be Firmed. Her Majesty has in consequence the reins of power tea lute our hand., it was our endeavour That direction alone had occasioned the apparent abruptness ,
rat for Inn A berdern and Sir James Graham. and wishes to proceed iu the same policy on one or two very important of his speech, unless physical depression feud rentkred his
to see you iiiiiiiviliately." (Loud cheers.) Now. sir, I could questions; initueiy, the duty on foreign sugar and phraseology less atopropriate than it ought to have been.
du nuotn. tou receiving that RR. r than conclude that Loral the Navigation Laws—both questions of the greatest sly had thought that Lord J. Russell was describing his
Musky had declined fur the present should fo a government interest tot& wellbeing of theeountry. We we fortunately 'pression of Lord Stanley's letter. Disraeli) tt such impress
—(grnersl cheers of assent)--cuitil it ppear that no successful in carrying into effect nseasurta its conformity ' sam was erroneous, and (added Mr. Lord Stanley
other governors% could lie formed, awl it would bare been with the cosataernal polity of Dili. I consider we were also thought it so. Ile had not intended to ho discourteous
two day afterward.. when l made my statement in the fortunate in having been able to carry through those or peremptory ; and he appealed to the good character Lord
bower, a ruiereprissentation of Lord shinty howl I said that changes with the wiiling concurrence of the two houses of J. Ittusell had gisen him last session fur conducting the op-
be Was not at petveut prepared to form a government, and parliament. I have never thought it was matter of re- poeition in a creditable manner. But it seemed to him,
therefor, I seu d the words that Lord Stanley was not ii then" prowl', hut the reverse, that members of this house were Mono the °cemimi in question, us if a mystical signification
prepared. (11.-sr, hear.) But, sir, though I received from found willinz to o °Deur in the plans proposed by the admi- was being given to Lord Stanley's letter, and that his
her Majesty in some detail an account of what had rein din nistration of which I w.O the head. (Loud cheers.) It party war charged with trifling with parliament and the
the inturvievt with Lord Stanli.sy, I do not rest on any such appeared to sue, alien we were endeavouring to carry into country.
statene sot wh it 1 have now to say, hot on a written effect gnat eating,. in oar e""nnercial Policy, that we I Mr. J. O'CONNELL rose, hut there were loud cries for
account of thnt interview win.. h Lord Stanley *rat to Junta endeavour, as far as posihle, to do so, without die- Sir J. Graham, and the hon. member gave way.
bee Alai dy the same evening. and from *kith hi. turbine the institutions of the country. (Loud cheers.) I Sir J. (ORM' AM rose amid loud cheers from both sides
lordebii, poi. given me prtmssittit to read extnule will now proceed to the next subject; the bill with regard of the house, and said—Sir, the intimation just given on
to the hone . containing all that num on the mint in to the assumption of ecelesiestical titles iu this countriy by , the part of the house that they expect some explanation
L t me, helves raw, in tbe tint place, observe that an eadestastie appointed a foreign power. Sir,
s _by still from me must be my excuse for addreseing you ou tile ore-
_ _.• -• • - think '

tl I state these particular. it is only is consequenee of the
contrailietom I received from toe bon. gentleman, and,
that with dame extriats 1 intent to have the eine in the
bands of the IIMVW, end not go beyond thelW few words in
the way of *planation. Lord Stanley in this statement
find reverts v. hat hr stated to her Majesty. (Lord John
Itteried then read the extracts from Lord litunley's letter to
the Cle. in rerbatots as reported in another column as read
to tat 11..11-e of Larch by lord Stanley himself.)
I mahmet Is, the house whether these extract• do nut fully
la•ar out my statement that lord Stanley we, nut tt tbyti
prepared to form a government ? (Cheers.) I have
the gratification to say that, after I had made my
Malmo. nt in the haute, fiord Stanley informed me that,
`.7!::!-!' !le does not agree altogether in that statement, he
does not wish to qualify in the least degree this last part of
his litter. Now, sir, It IA satisfactory to me to be enabled
to niche this statement, and to say that the extracts 1 have
read have lawn read with the entire cons•ut of lord Stanley
and by Lord Stanley's wish. (Cheers ) bating, therefore, the
correction of what 1 nail on the Cornier "erosion, 1 have now
to state that, having tern desired by her NI spyty to attempt
to ruronstruet an administration, her Majesty w►s pleased,
as l'rinee Albert observes in the wee. 1 have road, to
desire the KIWI of Aberdeen and Sir J3M411 Graham to at-
tend her ; and that, by her Majesty's desire, 1 met Lord
Aberdeen and Sir Janie+ Graham at the palette; and after-
wards Intl a communication with them epee the suhject. '
/IMO extracts from lord Stanley's letter, I feel it
night to say that no perconal considerati.ms stand in the
way of the Inrmatiou of a government by time *Mow• opinion,
appear to prevail in the House of I• . If Lord Aber-
deen and Sir J. Graham eould not fonrat with me in the
tarnishing of a government it wax not that any personal eon-
.

coneur in the opinion I dezprewanl on the intnaluctiom
of that bill. It is still my opinion that the ea-,
sumption of those titles was an assumption of
power on the part of a foreign prince and those
who were comme.sioned by hint that it wan imposti-
hk for the parliament of England to endure. (Loud
cheers.) I will ,av this, however, that I thought. and *till
think, that the main object to be obtained was the vindica-
tion of the national independence on the subject -the wirer-
titre of the supremacy of the crown, and people of England,
as against any foreign power whatsoever. But, par, with
regard to the biU which we have introduced, though all
paint were taken in the framing of it, we have been told by
persons of comfit tent authority thet, looking to the proceisl
sags of the courts of law in Ireton!, and having respect to
what has been the practice both lwfore the year 1829 and
since, that bill would, in its second and third clauses, inter-1
fere, perhaps, with the ordination, and certainly with the
collation, of priests; and that it would also interfere with
bequests which hail lwen previously allowed by the decisions
of 'dation. courts of law. Now, sir, I will say at once that
it wadi reit our iut..ution to interfere with anything belong-
ing to the regular order of the Roman catholic church, nor
to prevent the Houton catholic,. from enjoying their worship j
and ecele‘iasti.-11 functions undisturbed. So fur we were
alllittlig to maintain the religious liberty that has prevailed i
in this ewintry. 'therefore, if the bill were proceeded with
L should really to make all such ulterntionds in it as might
present any such interference as appear. to be dreaded. I
own that when I se, in. n of such moderation and MO justly
rt-sNeted as Archlii.hoop Murray objecting to the provisions
of the bill. I fed I am justified in saying that I am willing
to re-examine and go again over those pros i,i.nui which are
ewmplaineti or-- !Vico of "Oh, oh :•• and laughter from the
,
those

sent occasion, otheriiise I should not tt... it consistent
with my duty to obtrude upon your notice at thi, punka •
lar time. I was afraid to ere.ent myself lest it might lie
considered presumptuous an one who holds no official cha- ,
tarter whatever at the present critical juncture of
affairs, and lest also I might use any imprudent
expression which might agftravate difficulties, which, from
my heart, I would wish to remove. (near, hear.) 1 under- ,
stand, however, that some explanation is expected from me,
and I will endeavour tumuli(' that explanation as succinctly,
but as plainlyus it lies in my ',meta; and I hope the house
will bear with me while I lay before them as much of what
has pained ns I think I can consistently do without inertias-
ing present difficulties. (Ilear, hear.) On Saturday even-
ing, as the noble lord opposite is aware, Lord Aberdeen and
I received the commands of her Majesty to wait opt her at
!ft-kingham Palace, and there we were honoured with an
audience, which informed us that, Lord Stanley not
being then prepared to form an administration, Lord
John Russell was empowered to make un endeavour to re-
construct 116 government; and her Majesty gave her MM.
mandalltut, tiyin-,1 aside all political differences and diffi-
culties, we should meet Lord John Russell in a spirit of
amicable arrangement. for the purpose of seeing if it were
possible to form a government on a more extended basis,
with a due regard to our own private convictions of what
was necessary for the public service. Then. commands
Lord Aberdeen and I obeyed; and it is superfluous for me
to say that, having received a command from that, the
highest, quarter, I would be wanting in grateful obedience,
and in the gratitude of one who had served that rove-
. reign for many years, if, knowing that her wishes were
for the welfare and happin,a and contentment of her people,
I did nut do my utmost to meet the conjuncture, and to
act with the noble lord its, in a v- it of eonciliatio-

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oppose- _.. _ ,pint
eideratienes stood in the way. (e. Hear, hear," and Owen.) i Irisli member%) -Iwith a view t., see whether tl elevations 'e- - - -tion.
With re yuct to *event* pots of public importanci , on I are really well founded. My permetion wive and I was in. i(C heir..) The uoble lord has used some expressions with
which we communicated together, though there we. neat' duced to the belief by very high authority, that un these ' regard to me which are most grateful. lie has said that
any pert et eurnament, yet tlien• did not appear to be such ! two pent% the bill did nut interfere,
_es it lute been asst rtcd I though our • interview may hare 1101 u brief, yet that it
a diverge,' 11 111-44 ae to prevent their eulliestment by mu- ;it die, Therefore, I say. lam ready Wcarry into effect renewed many of thew feelings which in public so well an
teal aecommielation. lint there ia one subject on which it imy own intentions originally entertained, and not deljera private life are the most cherished Nources of our happiness.
was impassible I,lllol' that they or I amid see, way. That from-not to it" lelond--thella There is another question (Hear, hear.) Mast conlially do I reciprocate every Yenta
subject was the bill whirl' I have introduced ini the assume- of great inaportaiee, on which, on the ue0.0.100 of the de- went of kindness which has fallen from the noble lord;
m tam of reeleatied tithe. (Cheer. sod counter ein em.) bate that took Piece on the 20th itot, I mode %erne re- and, with he. permission, I would gladly resume the title of
I slated, and will presently explain what I tn.ou , marks -1 neon the eery important aubjert of the extension , ceiling him emy noble friend")-(ehear' and cheers. )-for wet
-I smell that I was willing to agree to very conaderaide ,of the eketive franchise. Now, air, it it fit I should state to, were for many year. aneeiatiel-fer many years were we
alterations and modifications of that bill, but that I still . the house-and I elo it with the full knowledge that the on termaffec
tion and kite-Incisetherefore ; and now I
thought it neeroury to p 1.04.11.01. with it • whilst on the ; subject is one on which many deliberetions were held in the I hope I may aria he fiermitted to call that noble lord "my
other band. Lord Aberdeen and Sir Jamesdruluiru declared I course of the Lot autumn, and previous to the meeting of I noble friend. ' (" Rear," and renewed cheers.) Now,
to me that, in their opinion, any legislation on the /subject i parLement -it is lit I should state that I had prepared i with respect to the substance of what peeled between no I
was unmet-au:try. (Loud cheery. from the Irish members.) an outline of the kind of measurel thought nag he fit .II do not wish on the present occasion, though I must touch
This, therefone was a point on which we dillered so weir], implied toper:Mae:et. But apr :li nb inary queetioe naturally lightly on the mutterswhich transpired between us, to rube
that it was impusible to hope that • government could be I weaned whether it was for the Wrltare I,r the country that anything like adverse discussion, for now adverse diecussion
funned by such a junction. As woe as I discovered that any bill should h.•introduced on this matter in the coulee eoffiel be out of place; but I would touch on the three
their objection', to legialise on this aubjeet were notaries lof the preseed session ; and, looking at the possible duration hauling points alluded to by the noble lord. And, in look-
relate I again repaired to Reclaim/earn Velure• and humbly ,of the present parliament, and rot the eiretuastancea of the ing at those subject., it would not be natural on principle
led before her Majesty tin. 101111111411011 with which I hail ; tie:limy at the premut time. Atter various slimy,: if there was much daft:mice between us, for, though
ham cut toted. It wee staid in the public papers ' anion/ the different eti ethers of the cabinet, we all run- it has been my lot to be pieced in a different
-but errroneouely %laud-tit it on that tame et ens I furred in the "pluton that it was nut adeimble to introduee poeition from the noble lord -to be sometimes his
tag I met Sir Jam.. Graham and Loral Aberdeen at j such a hill this mseion. I couleesoe. I rem. to that emetu- eolleague and sometimes opposed to him, yet when the
the peelee, I del nod again /MIA them at the palace ; anti ' non. hes lug "as:Melly held a different opinion ; but I CAM* history of the hot thirty year. shall be recorded, there will
no sortie i .rat, nitit was mecde by ua to form a golollllllrat Ito that 0,1•111.10/1 111 COUjnnetiOn with all me ei4. be three leadiug traneaction% that will fix the attention of
at that tine ; but from the einnumeicatiens I had with , leagues, sad I halieve that it would be far• better the historian. These three, I would say, will be-the
them, I have derived at least this ettietatien-thal I have , for the interests of the country that 110 sub triumph of the cause of civil and religious liberty and the
renewed with the right hone gentleman the member fore measure should, for the present, be intoultaccil, repeal of the Test and Corporations Acts, and catholic
Ripon them tee of frienelship by wine h. in femur year* we j But at the same time I mated that, should the ministry emancipation. That he the first. (Hear, hear.) The ex-
were laionel together; 41111 Which, during the struggles and , continue in power, I should lay before the cabinet during t 1•101011 of the suffrage by the Reform Act: that is the
difficult cireuntatinete which tie curred in the formation of I the recesse a ineuarye which I should further more peeper', I second. (Hear, hear.) And the third is-the eaten-
lord they's govern's, nt mei aftertle naignetienof the tight , mature, to extend the right of toting fur members of par- aion of that tivaucial and commercial I
policy which, for
hon. 11.1 .I. it was my pleasure and enutert to mainteimaintain., Lament. (hear.) It is obsime that, were. such a bill to brevity, I will call free trade. (Rear. hear.) These arc
(Nee rs ) eir, I alien not erected to give any uartotive of Witat •be int rodueed at all, it should be iutroduced in the nett the three: and, upon all these questions, mmetineis as
iecurreel subsequently to me resignation of the commioion ' maim of parliament, because in the session of lei., :Remits colleagues, and sometime, opposed to each other,
with which her Majesty we. phased to entrust me. The I ing to the U. 411 duration of the term, the time fur the ilia it was my good fortune to agree with the noble
right I . gentleman himself 1.01 feat state what occurred 1 suiution of perleerne ut would here arrived. A yteatiou of lords (Cheers.) Now, upon the yestion which I alien '
with ri sleet to any inters yewhe. La with lie, Sovereign; that kind should not be introduced imrattlietely before the take first in order-shall we adhere to the policy of free
but tee result was, 4A the hues. well knows, that lent II time of a ilisaalution. The Reform Bill tonic two years for tritely ?-there could be no differenee between me and my
Stanley Woe again went for ley her Majiety ; and it was only
conaideretion, and therefore the year lel2 appear ii the noble friend. (Hear, hear.) It was a policy trensmittea
yesteraey es, ' 4 that I was infers', el that lie hail resieued ' latest time at which such a bill ought to be' intnelueed, jby Sir Robert l'ecl. It was advocated by me as Sir Robert
tut„ thi bend. of her Majesty the conunimeon he had re-1 (Rear.) With respect tethe question itself, I hare tome that I t'eal's colleague ; and it will be recollected that I Neely said
t'eived from her to eirm a government. With regard to having for ten years before the Reform Bill was introduced, in this house that, in the execution of a sacred duty and
the reasons for his rat ,Laing I am wholly tenement and will &toe LI my attention to this subject, luring made motions trust, 1 would do my duty to uphold it, believing that my
net pot -nil to conjecture. Meer. hear.) Wit this morn- tin this subject to twerp the year Reel and the year lffill, eleyeasa d friend, if living, would do his utmost to uphold
ing I eee interned that her Majesty had been pleased and heving had the' principal care in (ranting the Reform , it; and, then-fore, with respect to the future, holding that
in them difficult circumstances, SO many and such various j Bill, 1 atu ivies cay ettistied as to the general working of! every measure should be shaped so as to give edit and ex-
attune/,t. has ing failed, to commeed the atteulance of as 1 that bill. (*leer, hear.) I say it has not produced say of j tens,,,,, to that puliey and principle, there could be no doubt
amid and fuithful friend, one whoe wisdom in t ail affairs is OW.' conentuencea foretold of overturning the conetituthin of jor diteculty that the. noble lord and I should be 011 mutual
hardly leas than his glory d. rived Penn military white, ; this country. (Rear, hear.) 1 thiuk it has materially ae. term.. (Cheers.) Then, apin, with respect to the exten-
uated.- lof course allude to the Duke of Weilingten- ' Wetted in the orogen:as of useful meesuree, in the intrualue- I aim of the suffrage-it ill be remembered that the noble
(Lowlebeerea -and her Majesty (I think most wisely)meate I tics of taluable reforms, and in satisfying the public mind lord and I are, I believe, now the only surviving members
to take
coottoa frau, him, nee to pause for a while before at a time of eliwinitent. (Hear, hear.) But, air, I think, lof lord Grey's cabinet by whom that principle wax revered.
she again comm nn commutes the task of farming an adrainistre. lit you can add further to the umbers of the people enjoy- Ili principle; I agree with the noble lord that, after so large
time (Ileer.) I. therefore. end this narrative, en far as I 1 ing the
right of their election of members of path's- an extensim of popular privilege and democratic influence
ATI 1.14,1• Med. 11 asking the heame al" to Pewee until Ime tit-if you tun do that with benefit to your! aii was then introduced, great eautiou is necessary, if the
sotse further atepa shall hare been teken. t/e,„,,,,e cheer. I representative system-if you can thereby improve balance of the constitution is to be preserved, with reference
sags* But, sir. I cannot well omit this opportunity year representation, you, at tic same time., gain this great to the next advance. (liter, hear.) I have, until reef ntly,
of making; ~,ma remarks if the holier will allow advesamee, that you place that representation on a wider thought that there was more of safety iu resisting
.
basis--(beier, bear)-and give an intenet to greater mum , any change whatever, than in making any ulterior
11,1•• 011 the meet important of those subjects which base
ben of the subj. eta of the Queen in promoting and 1114111- extension; but lam bound to say now that 1 nut bens :rouged into ducueeion daring the last few ilaL.,l 1.111-
. tagCOnStitutionel principles. (Cheers.) With re pert, wp I wiling to
'entertain that question of the extension of the
(Rear. levee) Let me. in the fleet instaitete say that t t
statement ma de by me on a fernier evening, though it can. I however, to the ',elute of any such meesure, I think the , fruzebise, guarding myself with the resolve that I cannot
fully I greatest ruttier, should be used by parliament with refer- ; consent to any extensionwhich •
mot well hue ham misapprehe tided. to not, I think, in my conscience I do not
measure to be adopted upon that ott .believeto bt m coneinance with the maintenance of the
bjeet I
inideriitood by all who Wen' then prevent. fur I base been I *ewe to any
hafeened by a right hon. gene, man that I was understood (Hew. hear.) I think the general distributionidistribution of the' form"(government under which we live. (Hear, hear.)
say that those who had oohs* for the hill
geutlemon the member for West Surrey had, thereby. the intellicrn"
to
i.,,,,,„jeet by see 1 Iteform litll has produced a fair representation of; The noble lord rays that he has prepared an outline of the
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of the country, its washes, and its I measurehe intends to propose. I have not seen that out-
iven a vote of want of vont:atom in the government. alienate. 1 shad* dread any
change in the tepee- ; line, hut in prep/trine such a measure, the utmost caution
g,
(Beer, here) What I said wee the revels,'. I 1411t3t1011 *Web deprived our 1111414. of Commona of" should be observed with reference to its details; and'
said that though them gentlemen who voted for that motion 1111.1. 0011141,2:110. I.loMCalts w hick ought to lelung to it. I therefore it would be rash in me to pledge myself '
lied no deem, sided on the merit. of the bill and the (Rear.) I 0./1.1110: COLlteilll that a llouse of Cemrauste, iin the slightest degree to its support. But, again f any,
11110141111114 fore them only, yet the effects neeerthelees, Was I merely representing number*, could act in harmony with a that, to the principle of the extension of the suffrage, on I
to weaken the bend. of the pommel's rat ; and I can say, and' monareby, MI hereditary house sit' Lord., and an esfablialtml 'my part there can be no objection. (blear, hear.) I will'
will eay. taw,-that had it not been for the event which M. church. (Rear.) I think it should he one object not to I now touch upon the last point-that of the papal aggreo
inealiately preceded that rote, nanwle• the 111'1.400 re wain create a Roues of of Commons eLie•h should *napalm' the in-; aim; and I am bound te declare that, notwithstanding '
the metres of the hon. member for ituckinehanotire (Mr. dependent pow. rof these institutions. On the tuntrarY. I I what my noble (Tien.* bas Laid with reference tea his ready'
Diaraeles) -and those aivieinka which I hail reaeonto emeet I thank it should be the object of any one bringing forward' new to bring forward and introduce modifications in the '
amother subjects, I should not have thought the dieisee, • such a bill, to give, as it was our object in 1831 to Kite. the ' bill now before the house, I cannot reconcile it with my
ispoti that bill, alone, any 0.41'16e-et ground for the rosimia. people a geetiter interest in those inatitutioaa-to int. I pablie duty to be an assenting party to that or asurie
Icon of the ministry. But. sir, foreseeing the probability of prove the representation generally. but at the emu,. time I (Hear.) 'lit extreme difficulty of legislation on the subject'
a repetition of ASCII defeats. I thought it better to give up tat to hazard the spirit or form of our conatitutiou. lis admitted. I was not aware of it until my noble friend told I
power, in the drat inetanee, rather than, by remainimt (Hear. hew.) Sir, therefore, these are ms 'views,' as, that with all hie anxious desire in legislation of,
ft run the risk of his. of both power and character together. wkieh I hate tentured to lay before the house upon theme I this description not to affect the Inv exert be, of the Ronne
The re is. hoe, ter, mac remark which has been made 'Mehl three important suejeets. It is, sir, at the present time a - catholic religion-having the ablest legal advice and baying
own I hardly should hayeespeeted-that is, that foresesingthe matter of entire doubt to whose hands may be committed' peewee/led with the greateat caution-he has, since he intro- I
difileffities of the prevent circumstances of the country, 1 the power of officially presenting any measure to the house.l doted the bill, reason to doubt whether one of the clauses ,
shrunk from the rtalontaihilde er continuing to conduct hat what I feel upon all these great subjects is this-what I a does out interfere with the power of ordination, and .sea,
public affeire, and the mane resigned. (Hear, hue) Now, feel more 0111011.111 y, I must confess, on the question of las I understood him, with reference to the maw/meat of
air, I think it was eery Powible that when Ireland WA riain, Mar, r‘,6.1121 is this-that it is not for Maisters, I bishops, and even pariah priests in auccessieu j 4
enduw-
Abetted with a calamity almost unpreeedented-when t is nut fee meted persons, to feel alone an intrust in' ments vested for their enjoyment. (Hear' beer) Now, if
three millions of her people were suffering all the homes the solution cif these greet questions. That interest' my noble friend has fennel such difficulty with all his cane
et twain. and it was douleful bow tar life and social order exteads to oar posterity. 1 hat interest every mem- 1 tinn. it appears to me that lam jtotified in regarding with ,
mield be presereed in that country-I might have shrunk ber of this house is bound to evince conmien- I extreme--abiell Imy dislike ?-(hear, hear)-legiel• aeon;
from the difficultine of them circumstances. (Hear, hear.) tamely with n geed to any measure that may he pro- naturally inflicting evils to which Iso much object, and
It was poseihle that, when at a later period the whole earl- Pleat (Rear.) Sir. I have considered that, in the! which, I think, will be, for all practical purposes of any
ms of England was in artiste of disturbance and man- wane of my parliamentary conduct-whether in the dale 1 importance, utiorly inoperative. (Hear, hear.) As relates
gega_when we hem' every day of the failure of beaks and that I was PeoPosine a reform to a small minority. and Ito the rights of her Majuity's Roman catholic subjects, it
Mr minor raerehante--when the principal bankerodlA•dos!antelat the apathy of the country, or whether I was urging I will be regarded we penal and ofienaite, and it will undo
emus to my right lion. tetanal the Chautoellor of the Riche- the bill in pareameut amidst the enthusiasm of the w hole altogether the policy which, for the last thirty year. it has