The Express.
London, England, 1849-04-20 00:00:00

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0 the eammittee el inquiry had estedtted to the tier
ON isms of the noble toed, sad bed adopted the
,he for me fall that all woe our. r:tid-
esalideras le tle• Irish shamus, but not oo
yob es nail of ju noble friends. But mew he should
....0 &mph, whoa le fad those very mosabom of the
LT.-dig:lse who had metaled to the gourmet's repeal had
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. soh th, sewage M vete wheel it ha that house. The grouted
he mad ethers bed opposed the raft in ai4 was,
as monsiares bed his. tereaght hunted In eenjusuloe
wig width woad Freer nt the rerterremen of the emergency
,i., bed eelled it late *MMus. After Ws the Easter tor
woe, sad what Unseat ties? The Ant
gig r. well the aPPthallath of a polygraph in the
.00s, beating an 060111/ tramp, el h. ft by the
Frji - representatives were invited to repair to
gogaingetreet by a certain day, whoa th: y would let ye-
ll the prime miniitar. Ile had obeerent at an earlier
of the weenie; that he taoudht this an uncoustith-
rortedind, and he still was et that opition. (A
Mfr,) He Sep ated that it was unconstituta .41. To be
pp, the Comeellor of the Exchequer had taken up new
moil, sad had said that he, for one, was cot a-hrtned to
Mr te the opinions of Irish members: but this was • very
hia hied of d.hrenee that the aubie lord bad shown to the
dgetation, and the confidence of the gutter meet was of a
oil p oho order. Bat he must maintain that it was on-
aggilestiorod in the minister to call together, in a rivets
lips a very large section of the Hum of Commie." for the
perm of touter:Mg with them on public %minus. (No,
ll,He knew what that alt eel murmur implied. The
hos. beruet opposite (Sir J. Holthouse) n.ightsuy that,
steedibi to the pedantic letter vf the constitution, it was not
geosentutionat for • minister to consult • large body of
gmbert of parliament on tame points of the public twirlers.
psi had the noble lord time so ? There •an no similarity
pima the mineeter connoting the leaden of pantie, et d
osadvertisimg in the public papers that they were to togas
6s body to his See. The duit4 etion between the two
SIS WAS elem. In the true constitutional touru the
sisien t the the beads of pasties if they will app. rt him la
thaw that question. In the present case the musts rel the
sown 111111111(11WS h's opponents her the purpose of asking
WOWS 1 of them. Tinian was a mashed a- tempt at
Mains off from himself the respossiblity attathed to his
Am (Hear, leer) - Thus was soneulitag very degrai log
otke miteleter tallies( together 103 memern cd the House
dCurnoce, and asking them to give him an idea, for if
goy lit icit, he wool 1 not be able to continue to
rata But rt only was this an uncouetitn-
step, it was also • easy ineffectual one.
)ew did the minister demean himself when he had
go this body of one sixth part of the Host, of Commons
Weld up in his private dieing-room. He asked them who.
itas 1110, preferred being rued in aid, or tie pay an iucoas
go, What was their reply? It use tidy Irish. Tney
nit{, You hare sit as hen ; we are in for it, and now let us
6 • little basica& If yaw will tell us what you at. gulag
ode, we will dead, wietlser we like it sr nu. Oh, Do
old the Chant:elite et the Butte gem who was alt
adward of seeking salvia, who felt a pride is steering
gi We impossible ler us to put ea alterative to yin ; it
goy he indelicate for us to whisper to you in a private
FLwhat are the taxing propesides of England towards
Ws will tell y• is that Is war plans in this boom
F
pith cumbers tale the hint, "ad reply to the RIAU.
lA. Wolk then, we won't la swer yea here, but we will give
en your rats is aid to the Rome of Commons."
r bad . .Pildea ra
tow gin. his re seems for myth.' the noble lord's
=mg micoustitutiousl ; it was worse; it was in. tamps,
:tipti le, sad absurd. Be could imagine nothing more
Miaow than the ne hie I ad o& ling together thin liN5 mew
hp Rai tellivg thi at to open their mouths ant see what Clad
eeehl I*-d them. The Liable lord hod provided two cabbie%
gjaletere, a viva., secrmaes, and a reporter, Gm the wee-
-64-4•4 all far the pu-peee of ialormiag ell' deputation
get he had nothing to tell Ikea, an i then he eumonnniestee,
tip gimes of his rep aster, • bu led& to the owning pa, ere,
bald " latest intelligence." The whole proeieding was is
fillailan with the government measures. ludmity of pur-
ples us stamped upon all they did. Taein was a policy at
hated es, funded oa • Krim of hints and eagle st i ins from
f.* appellants—foe Imre was the Huse of Commons die.
melte, is he third with of the seesaw, the very tame pro-
whim whica tom mooted on the first night, smell, like-
, be a small arm el money elleuld be meet tor Ireland.
MY prospect did*, government hold out that there would
is no Nguema, of the protein emergency ? He thought
that the Some eirenmetaser e attended the persist demand
brim advance of mosey that had chumetetised its junior
kola. But they wet* ',dog to have laid before theta not
sly tempt. hresive scasturis for the relief ed !reload.
he hicompretentable auseur e. Be was wean
Y. to severe on the government, the Individual mem.
hat of which, in their private capacity, were so egri-
MAIL MOS were the minister' of dire soil ale Arts
VOW ity. Whatever they did they must continue to govt ea.
idle might be allowed to say that it they passed the
MOM they lied so loog—too long—penstd wi.n regard to
Wad, it was not only eartaim that they would lose the
malltilesse, hat they would exhaled the patience of the
sehay. (Cheers.)
WSJ. Zlll3B5LL—Sir, it it hardly necessary for me to
slime this mush tee with respect to the asswer which the
hap 'artesian opposite has given to my tight hon. 'deaf,
ham the hon. gentleman has not shaken use of the argil.
ape what my right hon. Ideal brought forward in sup-
ra alike present proposition. (Ilea, beta.) My rid*
hop friend stated that when the great was first rots
pal the • readies to that great peatieded tae ly trim
Seim. paths, an the Numb. r for Northamptonshire (Nr.l
hied), that he pointed out that belated paid mmewhat
nine thin i liven millions less is mewing' then kingl end, and
*ethos groats did more harm than good in their comae
dm. The hon. gentlemen he. ant shaken in any degree
Ant otateatelt. kly right hoe. friend Metal that there was
ea moral in Scalsad el what win certainly root • rate I.
ad, hat which was &taxation is e inseminate of • delli Beef
drop. Taut was a tax of 141. per cent , and it wee im
plied on the emote.' is which distress esisiell. If ii be
leas, thea, that the imposition of • rata of W. in the
Mud on all the property assumed in Inland is a I iemtion
of the iron, and tends to separate the two
Olaalries. Ow name obiection is Hale to that act of podia.
Wm which imposes in Scotland a rate of 141 on every 1001.
ht ths ropy' of the Mitred distress (Hear, bear.) So
lir this es my right hon. friend's statement went the hoe.
Matsu has cortaialy done nothing to shake the validity
Whinarguseint. • but the him. gentleman attempted to p
Weed this, sad las chosen to give a narrative of wb .t his
Marna daring this sender. Upon this subject it is nem.
usy that I should make some observation, and the first I
Rare to mike is, that though it is perfectly competent
le the hon. gentleman to give an scoouut in
works of fiction of the state of political parties
is Begamei, and to pansy thou parties as he
flaw and to invest events and occurrences which give ne
edit rest amesemest to the public, sad very much into.
Mitall these who read them, yet that it is not so fair in a
riles of the House of Commons to coma and make •
lath In parliament and comma a narrative to suit hi. own
y view of what will produce en effect—(load them
kter)—to make aecurrenoes happen which never
happen, and to MU the while course of events to that
*lrk will be exceedingly diverting, while the plain truth
hell eould give very little swerminment to the holm.
(llesewed theme and laughter.) Sir, the first state-
ment a the 11111. gentleman was that the government ie -
Aided to have • committee nem the Irish pear
he, meaning that that committee shculd hems
amuses for them, and that great discontent having been
mime-4 in this holm at that intention, I went down to the
annuittee, sod, is a " precipitate end agitated mature,"
ropoted a number of resolutions to the committee. Now
hat is the bolos. (A laugh.) It wou'd make en admir-
able chapter in a roncatoe—e telling account of what had
seemed in the year 1919 with regard to the Eagli.h Hoses
il Commons and committees of this house ; but the hot
hiprus to be something very different. (Chum) It se
hipper. that I stated ie this house, when the 0011211 Si tee was
daterained upon, thee it was my intention, as soon as it
theald meet, having bewaght together • number agendum*
thoroughly acquainted with Ireland, to state the views of
the government with respect to the amendment of the Irish
Pm law i and anything more unlike going down in a bar
tied and agitated manner, than going down f, or or five days
Oa
such a automata se tha, cannot, I think, well he Imo-
fled. Then the hon. gentleman says that, during the
BMW recess, I put an advertisement In the newspopers—(a
b&P)—asking the Irish w ethers to come to my dialog-
ing", and, shutting them up there that I asked them to
mussel me, and begged their advice as to what should be
hoe fur Ireland. (Laughter.) Now that SSMII is • very pleasant
knavery in eceurate statement. I communizated ',Ph the re-
Pesstahves of Ireland, and sated than to do me the favour to
Wet me on • certain day, and when they did meet me I
filmed to them, not to give me counsel with regard to
whit I should prune*, bat seeds( that the hon. gentleman,
Ag_ member for Kitty, had given police of the 11011011
Whisk he has proposed to night is such • spirit of taienees,
ad with so mush paniotiim—rent only Irish, but cal-
laud retied nt—l asked them, "Is it your intention,
WA. it not, to vote for that proposition of the hon. member for
t Kerry,becease it being our opinion that the urgent distress in
bawd ought to be relieved from extraordinary resources, if it
is year opinion that these resources should be derived from
to fund proved by the hon. member for Kerry than from
a bats in aid, it would be far better that, instead of going to
lha house and making counter propositions, we should he in-
fused of it before, so that then we ourselves should be
rosdy to adopt the proposition of the hoe. member for
." (L cheers
oud ch and counter cheers.) The house will
!V„., en that when I last s; oke upon this subject, I said that
II the bon gentleman the member for Buckinghamshire
Must to my that he should vote for the reposition of the
hie. amber for Kerry, there would not be any insuperable
diffaveare between us, buena it that were really the opinion
til the majority of Irish representaUves, I alseuld think
It bettor to obtain that rate er tax from Ireland in a way
thigh ma, sot the mut pelatable,but the least disegreeable
Imalsimpose mils on cffetudve manner. (Cheers ) I rya;
kW think that is making that statement I did anything
latileolltst'onal, anything tune/liven% with my duty, et
Olt Cat in the least degree lowered any dignity which
lbe rof the crown ought to posses (Cheer.) On
ballealmay, es this wan a tax &Meting not **whole, bat
WS patios 4 the United Kingdom, I think it was perfectly
filhalaat with my duty to endeavour Misses the opinions of
!awks were to be subjected to that tax. (Hear.) Well,
Oro the hon. gentleman makes various slat/aunts in various
two of hie 'peed. sad he says that nothing could be more
°ens of rupee " than oar showing 'disposition to charge
a Proration which we had laid before the haute. Bat the
I"' aaalluma, Itherelf, Witt/ some countenance to a
..,_ purpose, because, alluding to thou Irish members
...elated kW a rate in ail in committee, he WAS almost Is
Wades at their polriotion for having three or four days
girds voted ith a cor teary direetioo. If that d finale ,
lill'skamaaitalsoiss on their port were 112 admirable, omill
ismitiemiesPatijolici way ma pling some deference to Irish vas..
ad to their reprise stating/, cannot be so very
--.,1114.1715a1a alum cur part. (Cheers.) With rupee. to this
"We howeme. I mast say, that I think the hon. palls-