The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-15 00:00:00

TIIE EXPRESS, FRIDAY EVENING APRIL 15, 1853.

with the etiolates, was under • disadvantage, for
in the colonies there wee no stamp duty on newspapers, and
there were more daily papers in Canada than there were
in England. Let ore get rid of the vulgar feeling which so
often Matt us of not wishing
to see other people enjoying
themselves iu the same manner as we do. Cheap news.
paper. would not injure the first clefs papers. You had on
railways tint, second, and third class carriage's, and they
all found customers. At Epsom, on the Derby day, threw
who were in the grand stand did not enjoy themselves the
lege because there were • number of persons who were cot
so well accommodated. Indeed, he believed that the en-
joyment
was rendered greater by the assemblage of
peewit...re of all classes. Then, at the theatres no
tone felt less amused when sitting in th • boxes because
the shi.ling gallery was fully occupied. Let that
applied to newspapers, let there be cheap as well as
high-pricednewspapers, and let them nut fall into the vul-
gar error of denouncing things because they were cheap.
That was the case with omnibuses as hen they became cheap,
and *hey were denounced as " the omnibus nuisance."
The County Courts, too, were said to be about to (lettuce
the country with cheap law ; and, in fact, all things which
were cheap were eh precated, but alter all every one pre.
ferred to buy Ling cheap. After the magnificent
speech of his right hon. friend, he should only overlay the
subject if he proceeded further. He could onlyeay, in con-
clusion, that after having fur years had a strong feeling on
the subject of national education, after what had been said
by the amble lord the member for London on that su eject—
of which he (Mr. Cobden) would say nothing now, but that
be believed what he prorsed to be quite hopractic.able—her
had come to the deliberate conviction, that considering the
interests of the gnat mess of the people, he would rather
ace those taxes on knowledge removed, and in return, all
tte grants for education abolished; but despairing as he
iljd that anything would lie done at preovnt to remove
then., he would still declare that lie would rather have that
then all the money that was about to be granted this year
for ducatien. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. lI•GREGOR denied that he was influenced in the
vote' he was about to give by the motives which had been
attributed to gentlemen on his side of the house. He bad
I only risen for the purpose of reading • letter from a literary
ream:nail, which, in his opinion, showed the mariner in I
which they ought ti vote. It was written from a place once
celebrated in the world of letters—from Athens, and by a
gentleman well known in the literature of England and of
Europe. (The hon. gentleman then read the letter, which
was in substance "that he was thankful for the eflorts
that had bee• made to publish his works; but he
was not sure that the advertising proposed
woul4 du much good—as the literature of Eugland
was divided in that of the universities, of politics, of the
circulating library. lie was not a university man—he did
not enter into political questions, and his works were too
heavy for the circulating library." (A laugh.) Ile alluded
to the high price of books in England, and said that all the
best English works in hie library were reprints in France
and Amer America; and that the English edition of Grote's
"History-of Greece" had cost him more than the reprinted
works of Mee aulay, Hallam, and others put together. lie
also pointed out the disadvantage of the paper duties in re-
lation to the diffusion of books in the colonies, and the in•
terest he hod taken in Mr. Cawan's motion for the reduction
of those eh:tits. lie (Mr. Macgregor), adopting the views
contained in that letter, should vote fur the motion of the
right hon. gentleman.
Lord it. GROSVENOR said that, as his constituents
were much interested iu this question, he wished to state
the grounds out which he should give his vote. In the
saeech of the right hon. gentleman the member for Buck•
ingliamstiire, the delivery of which he regretted, alit tend. d
to lower the character of public mess—(hear, hear)—he said
that his nehle fraud (Lard John Itusaell) had stated that
no one ought to vote fur the repeal of a tax before the bud-
get was brought forward. That was • misstatement of
what his noble friend had said; for he stated that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer was new in his office, and that
instead of being asked tour days betoee the financial state-
ment to repeal a tax, lie should bar allowed to bring forward
his plan, and ewe whether there was a Burring or not.
(Hear, hear.) When this motion was last brought on by
the right lion gentleman the member fur Manchester lilt
(Lord R. Grosvenor) had voted with him ; on the present
occaxion he did not iuteod to do so. " Hear, hear,'. and a
laugh.) Why did he so determine ? Whea the right hon.
gentleman last brought on his motion it was met by the
right Min gentleman the member for Bucks by a direct
negative. (Hear, bear.) How did the Cneneeller of the
Exchequer, these or four days before briuging on his bud-
get, meet the motion ? Why by doing what all the world
' knows the meaning of—namely, that be concurs in the
principle of the motion, but is obliged to meet it by moving
tho previous question. The Chancellor of the Exchequer
in office fur the first time, and four days before making his
financial statement, met the motion by moving the previous
question, which meant that on the first occasion that he
could he would repeal the duty. Ile (Lied R. Grosvenor)
was content to rest his vote on that ground.
Sir J. PAKINGTON should nut have troubled the house
but fur what had just fallen from the noble lord, nor should
he have noticed his speech ills had come from any lips but
his. (Hear, hear.) Ile really thought it strange for the
noble lord to lake exception to the motion of the right hon.
gentleman the member for Manchester, and giving the
reasons he bail for his objection to it, when it was recol-
lected what had been the course of the noble lord himself—
(" hear, hear," and cheers)—when it was recollects.' whet a
triumph lie himself obtained when he carried a motion for
the repeal of a duty of much the same amount, and when
!te had no scruple in pressing his favourite object of • repeal
of the attorneys certificate duty—(hear, hear)—and which
he pressed to a division and carried. (Hear, hear.) As to
what had been said by the noble lord that this was a vote
on • motion of • fiscal nature, and that the course which
had been taken affected the character of public men—did
that come with • good grace from one who had beaten the
government on the question of the repeal of • tax which
met his own views ; and it was not fur him to cast imputa-
tions on those who voted for the repeal of a tax which did
not meet his own views. (Hear, hear.) He would detaiu
the house no ferther than to say that he should vote with
the right hon. g admen the member for Manchester—
(loud checn)—on the ground that this was a question which
had been entertained by the late government. (Cheers and
counter cheers.)
Mr. MAGUIRE said it was a matter of indifference to
him what *pinion the late or the present government
might hold on the, or any other question. lie only looked
at it as a question cf justice. He cared not who proposed
or supported • motion ; if it appealed to his sense, and
satisfied his reason, he was bound to support it. (Hear,
hear.) He knew the necessity that existed in Ireland for
ecpporting the publishers of cheap periodicals. On the
question of the advertisement duty—the one now before the
house—he thought its repeal would be • great commercial
advantage. The stamp duty might, perhaps, be justified
by the free conveyance of newspapers by post. Ile hoped
the right hon. gentleman would press his motion to •
division. (Hear, hear.)
The house then divided :

The exclusion of strangers from the galleries muted from
ten minutes put eleven to five minutes past twelve.
The numbers were—
For the first resolution 2OO
Against lgo
Majority for the resolution 3l
For the second resolution 9B
Against 2BO
Majority for government lB2
For the third resolution
Against 275
Majority for government 195
Great excitement was manifest in the house on the de-
feat of the government on the first resolution being made
known.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord J. RUSSELL stated, that immediately after the
debate (this day) on the third reading of the Oaths in Parr
harness, (Jesrish Disabilities) Bill, his tight hon. friend (Mr.
Cardwell) would proceed with his important statement on
the Railway Resolution► (so we understood). The bill with
regard to the National Debt would therefore not come en
this day.
Mr. J. MACGREGOR asked when the Pilotage Bill
would be gone on with ?
Lnrd J. RUSSELL—Not this day.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the house (at Ave initiates past 12) adjourned.

Patna.—NY MILNIR GIBSON'S RISOLUTIONII.—The
Hon. 0. Fitzwil tam fur with the How. C. Danbury
against ; Sir J. Duke for with Lord March against.
Mn. Burr's Morton on Kumatrixam.—Mr. Pugh for
with Sir J. ht`Taggart against; Mr. Morgan for wilt' Lord
Norrejs against.

NEW EMPLOYMENT OF LONDON POLICE.—The
Vienna correspondent of the Frankfort Post Goalie writes:
It is now confirmed that the Prussian police were most
efficiently assisted in the late political arrests at Berlin
and elsewhere by repeated communications from the police
of London, without which many of their discoveries might
not have been made. In this we see a proof of the good
faith of the British government, when, through Lord
Westmoreland, it assured the cabinet of Vienna that it
would watch over the conduct of the refugees. We learn
from other sources that the London police has for some
time kept lists of all the fugitives residing there, and watches
over their communications with the continent.

SAVINGS BANKS A;i FRIENDLY SOCIETIES.-
'Yesterday a return was issued showing that from August,
1817, to the 20th November, 1852, the gruss amount of all
sums received and credited, including interest, by the
National Debt Cotnmision.•rs was 68,335,1481. 4.. bd.
The ptcck now standing in the names of the Commissioners
is 33,283,2731. 18s. Bd.

ACCIDENT TO LIEDIG AND THE QUEEN OF ;
BAVAIUA.—A correspondent, dating Munich, April 10th,
writes :—Liebig was last eight giving a lecture on chemistry
at the palace, before Queen Maria, the es-King Louis, anid
his Queen Theresa, and the younger branches of the royal I
family, when a bottle of oxygen gas being improperly
handed to ►im by. his assistant, who mi-took it for another
bottle, an ex,,losion took place, and the by the flew into a
thousand pieces. Fortunately the esploresn occurred in an
inns r room, the door of which was open. Still some frog-
mesas of the glass passed through the door, and slightly
wounded some members of the royal party who were sitting
in the (rent mule. Queen There.a was cut in the cheek,
and the blood nowt din abunda,..ee ; Prince Leopold was
slightly wounded iu the forehead, Countess Luzhurg in
the chin, and Countess in the heed. None of
these wound' will be of any consequence. The proftssor
was also slightly injured, having escaped with his life by a
sort of a miracle.