The Express.
London, England, 1856-07-05 00:00:00

CHURCH BUILDING COMMISSION BILL.

On ;;;;;:i, 7.171.71 •rtit. it! --
111, HADFIELD 0.5..1 the ni e,•illy for entoolidstieg
the nb 1. ib- caries bendiest •etr. At the eeme tine,
he strooely co 4 o be tosopens.toos claim welch ten
bill a intete.d 0. the eines eons was tentacled to
ticat.na• oil, t n t.ar., bet .b-time bed extended to thar•y.
stilt 'rare rtrwleee it •mad bud', be sew tied the•
the pieties ecto had swivel 11.11,1 011 consonants reesived
*heir eye .1 In eva tied., ohs replication thet et the expire
Hen of ob. COMOrl•i a would be entitled to a mopes.-
ties t r Me. (H •ar, hear )
Me 0. ORKY sdnaiored that it nu desirable that these
sanieneis oh. rah saddle, 141,4 should be consolidated, sad
be b• pet rt. atori•uon of the e weuissiouers would be
directed to the pilot
• Ti. bill ow of es real • third limo.

On ss.s.in; 1;s; .he itoTa;s—
Lot t R. CECIL smui.l..eed th.t the allowances under
the sill h•el Meta vasat rvid is enmskitume Iron the Coins-
Vela' s Pus, a ts• inn ssj

Mr. HADFIELD amid that the leetrad clause, which
Mates to teu.t ..,ose, be ettai haat

Mr. SPOONER was at a toes to understaad bow coverer
seism coati t. eiainsed In tale ease, wing that the ewe-
misroa w• • s sosisted was only intended to be of a tem-
porary na•aw.
Mr GEORGE GREY contended Gist the lord and
sontitavaes aereiee..4 the all ere attached to the commis-
bias twit' d them to e sap Bastion.
Tb SPEAKEtt b•a oar lb* question, that Gut second
slew* b ?eh., d ? And tome amusement will muted by
hearing Mr Li 08-In Istmaelt call" Aye!"
The amen Ingot was segativid w,t►.at a division, and
the bill mooed.

?AiTNIIRSHIPIIMENDMENT (No 2) BILL

Oa Vw mat, a I:7 the asalmitalof

Mr. MUNI Z ooi4 that lassoed of sf. Bill foi the rimed-
Intent of the L.. of P.,rtnership," it ought rather to be
'stifled • e• Bill C r iris Roverientest of Frond, Cone-
Iles, and Robbery." (Laughter.) Ho begged to move
that the bill I. e. omitted met ay eta month..
Mr. WILKINSON reminded the hoe. patients that
ell the greet r. form. which h.d bees effected of late year*
bed b.re carried is oppo Woo t r perms' of sap/rifle., and
.therefore he did not thisk tte bee. patients's moults on
the Board of Trade win well (minded. Free trade sad the
messy pst had bees oppoorrd..it • oho by the roam of
sore, mid the .th..r by .he °Ledge of the Po.t-ofAc,; bet
both mrsoores eel pr veil of the greatest benefit to site her
•
mutiny sotoi•hatosdirg the predietioos of those whee
OtHeion sight It.ve berm pep; o.d des. rein et lineation.
He thoseht the bill wiuld tars out to be • mast valuable
immure, and it was c.naiol, oat geserany Mind by the
Wadies enreisseity. (Cheers )
Mr. BIGGS so for it m our. elrg with the hon. gentle-
man (Mr. Manta), threw' t the Mil the most voluble one of
the as •n 4 he atineled to the house whether there woo
sot • unieer.al fettle' is its I . (Neer, b.ar.) He
mailed the provost taw a ailtinietre sod semi borealis—
(a laugh)—sod he meet comeider the Btreatogimm school
oars eovlrfni autheirtti•-. is sennetory waters (Hese )
Mr. SPOON Eft, for his own pat, had (eager*. d with so
ime on .shiter of the b.ll who bad ant delimited it in
the terse ia wbkh it bed bees so properly &anima by tl4s
how pathless the meesher f, r Birmingham. (Cheers.)
He moth, ilise•ste the etc/him' of the no• sirs by 'spew -
tag • cue which ry likeiy to cam- if the bill boogie
law. Thri... permits entered foto partnership, two (Truly,
sod the third !drawly. The two Int bad so nos. y, sad
the fends wore advaserd by the third, who thus este thorn
estates sad a credit seb,c't they grubd serer without hie
rebuses have °Mused. The mast partner, Aerie( Irmo
scene to the booko,dimovered that the ikon was not ping es
wolf, sae heron cur lovely to withdraw his capital little by
bun. is that we, be might pet beck all he had &demised
is oddities to the sone be bed withdraws is lb. shape ef
pe Alt.. The par seri b p would thee cAlsese, sod use ler
din rs who ban hoes messed foto trusting the Ins en the
WA of sersreeve shires from the Mosses@ planners.
Cf:;r wmild rhos be defrauded of their nosey. Ilisee,
If h nee west iri•o sometime h. sheeM ,L=
• 111•11811 empiellisi any semi prune to rifted all
nt.herows oriu s the vino years previous tole. interim,
• the firm of wk.!' holed bees • member. (Lied Mew)
Mr. ROEBUCK tit .spbt that tele was sos • NB to be
re). toted to the summary amine proposed. (Hear, hew.).
H. thosein snaps sight be iserr.ed is eomittee, whisk
by offordieg puhlteity with regard to the smut Wvaased
Vthe Went partner, wale at Oahe timers the adeestag. a
mannstios, sad at the me time prevail the persiontly
of • Merle* perisershim by shish the public Mild be
elleatee. (Ha., Ina, )
Mr. OLYN •sid the comeliest jest made am me of the
at *minivan's, and it tho right hoe. inithms (Hr.
Lee.) would promi.• to adopt it he would not ebjeed to the
got; o.gpmiss he shield an every eff.rt is Its pewee to
pet rid of tit a Seat °booties' mitentre. (Hem, beer.) He
esseedered Omit the ...doss mites bet.re tho mmamittes
whisk Ind rat es this 'abject dearly aelabliebed three
po'sw. First, they usdoshiedly pr..ved Chet legislation was
seeereary in eesompouce of the roped of the usury laws.
Insoadly, they Meowed that as alterstios is the law of
baskr•picy o iota to he safe eininespermossly with the
Mop is the low ef gortnesehip. Of ebet- the ben, ton lb.
besse manned se Mee. (Her. beee.) Lady, the oil.
dm. dessoestreteiffie men" *me wee titssnubs

pe.,lisity tether pettenship centhers, to of which hi
(Mr. Otis) sew se mode eseept ngietratien. (Cheers.)
The Smote fart that the bill did sot carry mettle elegem
Mr of the creative sat • milkiest erre why he should
give it his of rabies ; bet Uri wee set all. TM right t ea.
stwalkman told the here that hie object wee ate to
alter the law it partnership, but ealy to omen
the effect of emir* legal decrees. New, se he
(Mr Olt.) had revise leaked epee the leer portanship
asses el the very feadmisatal prim:ivies of ear gemaareir
ere, he nest my that that estrasat of the right boa.
semitones bad very greatly astonished bile. Hear, bor.)
The right boa. ger tiara said that, if encouraged by the
Muse, ha would brig la • vier orteeded btll in the motto
jeer. [tire Lows—l mad I word movie ter • sleet seer
mitt*,.l The • ry thing. Let the right he. gratlemea
sire be • sole ei eammittr, but let him net attempt
fees tar preens bill apse the hero. (Chien.) Is the
resnerciel carom in watch he (Ur. Olin) nerd, wham
ever might be thanes of the law of Waited liability et
the Joist S.dek Cow genies An, there use bet me sud-
siest, sad that am adverse ea*, with regard to the preset
bill. (Cheers.) Is every enentry where there mesa law at
all Hite the wens mime, the Makruptey law was mesh
sone striegeat thee oar ewe; sad be regarded= elteratiee
is that law as • aererary relinleary behee soy alarest
was made to nisi the law of partners*. tihre4
Mr. MALINS said sheerer of the ben. penmen wee
a retrograde sae ; for up to the reeves time he bed Weer
irre reward in report of the low of limped liability.
(Hear, hear) The present hill he regarded OS eilltbedleal
that 'desire—a prlaelpls which be mast rand tbs boa.
girth/man three eat of lye of the wises/on behee the pee
Minatory sommittee were is lam, of adopter. (Chime.)
As for the oar pet by his heneurshie freed (Mr.
Aps=e) be word smear to him whether Werner a
eserly the same charmer were mot ef daily owxssse
eve leader the regent law ? (Hear, hear.) At pre-
net • seas might lead many at 30, 40, se
60 par ..t., end he night at say monist some
*sword sad sweep away all the property of the firm as
well as Swims the members of whir at was compoied.
We the here pen seed to g• back, and reoeseet the emery
laws? If net, they had so ease whatever Grier the bill.
(Hear, la ) The bill embodied three prieeiplee—fret, It
remitted a perms io load nary le a dm sad naive •
sinks of the prod • Sneed of a lied helmet, without
meekly bin a partner Broadly, it enabled • era to ro-
menerete • =neat be a share of the petite without
masks h In a member of the firm—an rectmeat te whisk
he behoved there we co equities et all. (Hear, bear.)
Lastly, it *eared • earner to withdraw, leaviag • ponies
et be capital la the Ars wisher therthy ecatissieg
M He (Mr. anes) thoeits that all these priesiples were
ressmelele, sad he herd the hour would at ear go late
min mites (Hoar. beer.)
Hr CROSSLEY dawn that the hill had lay sea_
as oa whatever with the: pdaslpis ef Mahn for
• parser seder its preeklems word have se et sH
(Loud sheen) It WU said that a inn
at say rate of irons; bet then wee this llertheriarile
two nem that • enditor, salthe • perms, Were MS
swathe the hoer (Hoer, leer.)
Mr BASS said that the has. minbets (11e. Anew sal
Mr. C 1,.) bed me doubt ciorreetly upraised the of
asilliamirre. He, however, wee sweetened SO a bop
amebae f cannibals, Ind they wen all ia brew of
the bill. (Beer, hear.)
Mr. 0 BU IT was madly surprised to beat kla
lamed feintd chained that the bill embodied the
pas
eselyie et limited liabiliiy. Its iriaelple, r bed
roewell *Served, was me 11abilky. (Her, hear.)
He wend put seer. &armee • sae advared to a trader
lASI is eleditlea of reeelviag seven-sir thief the Felts;
be would mein hie minify bad over and over lives ; era
ekes the trader Mho, be would still be • enditee he the
angst. He sea le frig/1641r° limited liability eery
see; bat Wm loM ftebhod plenum to take away the
if balssnullimat evenness aayy at all.
as wend dean. ea sent se hose wits leek • One ef
Asses was ansoreed worn* Nobilities. The
sods of di wild bee that us wed' *WM is ratty

*mann., or have. on such term, as t, reet.ive the rester
ohm t the p.. end • oulo MVP lallilt! her.
The third el see WWI • .1.64 mi.. hi ••••• It w enshle
✓etiring varti.ets •o pas the m...1v• e, in the saw of ph Me,
the espi•a! eicy trot, •••1 t lesn In the Cora
OM DP4 Or., •!11011 (H ss, hear) Where, 'hen, wte
ti• ptieeiple of liodod ji. n.n•f ? was N Pt, ~unable
pat .or s to shat. to M. 108 a of NW...4 vet bout boon
liable fur a male ibT g. (Hoer, bear.) I( would wee
facilities fur •11••••• ../ r DA•

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V.,c.ent PALMERSI ON sold that mestof the etijee-1
Ness which lat tv ea raimo egainit tt• ere more ob-
jecitor s far the eitemitsee thee to ti • Oomph, iv the hill.
(War, hese.) It Iwo ..id that tie hill win ait founded
apoo the peal fp', of loss t d lab 1 y At all eT. n in ,
wait founded the crime p.'s of doh g 'way who lei -
hotted listwittv. sl.,erel too. gentlemen had pima in.
.tascre of tee or r.• o ..f the law as at it nil; h• "mold
ohly meat ea teat eirealtooen Metals. of 8 r W rlter Some.
who wee • dreedfut self es. foa the apoliestion tf the
pretest anliwted height, i•ers. (Hear, hear.) It less
said that sanctum in goner t were 'loomed to
teie bill; os toe so be Islieesil that public
otin.ioe was stregly in it. f • lir. (dear, hear.) The
we lie opinion t • a teen toasts. ed th.t. in • potent law of
p rinership r 'paired foodameotal •Ler-twa; sod he was
&melon% that no- •oell tend mire to the relief of s
IMP* ponies • f toe oie.mnsity how those imp..d”.,,„b,
which sow greyest. d them trout turning their twill capital
to • profitable secouut eras the bill propmed by hie right
hoe. mused. It was sineular that the peat oopearat• of the
bill were chi. dr great capitiutim, or thou. e "sheeted lipth
aid bide. desktop with gr. 01 capita iste—(hear b...)—
while, on the coyest', the ace testes of the measure were
o meefted with that pr a es suillhel of per,m a who pos.
meted small taint (Hear, hear.) The prima facie in-
tense, was that the bbl mast be • grid ea.. (blear. h-sr )
It use Of p eed by tl.ou—be would sot use the wort" mo
nopolistr, thus. an udiosis s.d • Leine- arm—but it was
op;vieid by a "wan amber of remora win, by *beg great
ta,nital, bed • ioasinand of c ,mmereul • pireticr s; wad it
was supported by those capitalists wh . would heist loom by
• hill of this tort. sod tens into the g I market.
(Hear, hear.) Hs theirs& re hoped that the boss* would go
tot° commitu e, and toil when be hill disciwed in cos
mitt& it would be fog id worthy of the aerptesce of the
boom, ae t.eelnp ti the advaticement all commerw and in.
decry. (Heir, b-ar)
Mr. T. BARING said the noble lowd had stated that the
questiou •as hetweem V., 5. who had the commsad of sir pi.
t.l ad 'hose who bed vary little. He rewortted dist the
Prime Minister, and the leader of shot hon.., should hive
ought to init. a e,7 of womb ri against pr. p rty. (Hear.
bear) The noble hid raid that the objectless to the bill
would hit best at. snit' in comeeltt..e. But 'moot them
wire otjettiolie to the prlntaid• of the bill. Fur inateLee,
the bill would me wage perfect Wier el ; it w aid of • rhe
knows whin capital went out of a firm. (Her, heat.) This
proposal was one which had eeeee &ea received se trw in
any &tatty; it was also distinctly opposed to the Dill that
had beast trough% (-waged by the pentane at two years ago
The gement credit of the country mast be aff-ced by such a
maven. (Heir, heat.) Considering how important it
us. to maintain ti at credit, he looked with SWF
Wolof on a cheese which was sot ailed for,
and which mut teed to diminish vinfideace. 0.
these grounds be should vote tipsiest the bill going late
eomeattme. There wall no Want of (Spinal WWI', toe pre.
sent system. B ,th the commiselose mese opposed to the
provisions of this garnets ; sad thoaria Ike asides's' em-
braced natty opinions in law or el a change, there were se
malty sisicat it. But It. whom* of tin witnesses were op-
posed to a apt.= of limited liability without say repine
Coo or publicity of any load ; the witnesses hem America
ad France were all tiptoed to this. (Hear. hear.)
Mr. MITCHELL said the house had saw to &tortoise
on the principle of the bill, wl,iti was. is net, that of
liesiiad liability, without regicratioe, publkity, or sup
other safeguard. He wished to know whether the pro-
moters of the bill would contest to intr.-Anse suck safe
guards in c mining* as existed to the Joint Stock Com-
ps/lee AA. (Hear, hear.)
air J. GRAHAM said his so'. re this toccies
would noosed oa the cower which she Vise-Preaideet of
the Beard of Tee& might plasm to give to the qasetion
asked by the last speaker. This bill was opposed to the
report of a irdomirsioo sad of two oommittees—(aear,
bear)--aed though it rested epos evideeee, that tonere@
was sot horse oat by the hill to its ;retest shape. The
great weight of evidence in Getter of a bill of this
description area accitapanied with a statenseat of the asses-
sity of publicity sad 'otiose safeguards. (Hear, hear.)
It wet gaits app treat to him that her, was a broad die-
titians betwesa • creditor leading et &cleat iaterwt sad
• party Wog admitted to a share of the profits. (H-sr,
hear.) A creditor at usurious interest was attracted
by the high rate of thst interest, sad was willing to.
beer great risks; but he bad no acmes to the u-
nseats, ad did sot Mow the ace of the prate
• party mashie a share of the petits was
entitled to to the enemata mown and was cogawaat of
01l the secrets of Ow e weer.. He did sot rya As rick of
the &trios* credit, r; be knew the was of the rosters,
ad might shave his opportunity for either Immediate',
or gradually withdorwirg his capital. (Hear, hear.) He
eatirely agreed with Mr. Hadfield that the whole matter
tuned ern the question whether ihsre should he publicity
er sot at a tat of those traassetions. If Mr. Lowe wiled
emu that he was prepared to foie rain ia eommittee pt ors:-
tissue for eneuelag that publicity and giv.sg these safeguard',
he would vote forth. b 11. lf,oa the other hand, the rigst
hes. gentlest= regarded soy such propositions es at
'orison wish the prisetple of the .enure, and would
resist their introdueboe, as the time of to. hoe. •••• eve
Mole at that period of the aerstoe. he (air J.Orsti•sa) -hostel
sertaisly jets is *opens, the farther progress of tie NIL
Mr. LOWE add that gel t might oie bought en dear.
(Hear, hear.) flis coaditwas which were aseitht to be im-
p led tepee him wore a sort of otiee which he meld not
meant to pay. (Hear, heel.) This bill had bees already
tenet reed a wooed time, sad he should have thought it ea-
'tossup to fatig& the house with a further thesuselea ;
but being dialoged to stela the coarse which he motet to
panne, sad the last words of the right hoe. bereret
sounding as though he thought the bill woe doomed to re-
Wetten (and he was a good jeep), he (Mr. Lowe)
kit It his daty again to all tie atteatwo of the
home to the provisions of the measure before them.
TM bill did not deal with partsership property, properly
se called. H. tatmeht it extremely doubtful witches the
law of limited liability ought in be carried out I. the way
sown poises. wished I. ref to paiteenhipa. Therefore
this hill did sot teeth the law of partnership, but simply
ragweed the mews gm which senile! might be adsanced.
It wield be a MlCOlserfel iiiteare, es tending to faolLtate
the salon of capital sad taunt. Unless it were pawed. •
great Japery would be dose to individual traders by the
Joiat-Btosk Composite Bill being passed. (Hear. hest )
He was so advocate of usosoco'y in any fors, sad ne that
atonal wished to see this bill beams law. Ito griseiple
was that of liindirg Oa proem, w"lett he ttought aa ea-
newly beet &dal elite of thing,. He wire told that the bill
ought sot to pass without safeguards. He feared that each
safeguards as were desired would reader tho bill &dead
letter. (Hear.) Recently two very great absolute in the law
had tads Solo, the repeal of the unity law', end the Joist
eta& OnspinhisAst ; and If they declared registration or
publicity soessanyeader this bill,who would take ads sataf•
of it at all t Weald sot p•ricas who bed mosey to lend
Prefer to &vast* it as eater the present systems ? (Hear
He thought it sa friaries' plea for capital to be supplied,
for short periods, ty peones who dealt is it; he should
prefer to sea it placed on a more pernattest sod renalar
footing. While the widest facilities were allowed tothe re-
plier mealy-leader, why shield the penes who kat on
prelim be tied up by all meta of restriction" ? He denied
that pone. riveasieg mooey is that way would be untitled
to 9* Weir the books; all they meld do would be to have sa
aesesallaltese Ctseeeeeary, under a court of equity. (Hear,
War.) At primal a creditor might sot may stipulate for
isdelbilest lathiest, but also for security. sad might have
the takes ones a week it he chow. Why should a
poen who lest en peer be salieetod to greeter
rensistions ? He Amid be inexcusable if he competed
to lainelluise lath thie bill a girookisa for rigistratioa. Ruh
• r redden email he a snot bulk a miserable deluders, ad
weak. Mkt then bardsid". Ist load to sere fraud, Mkt
say spooks of laiqulty. ( eer, hear.) If there wore the
nights* ileilissithip in the register, the party would be
rthilseed Habit to h uttermost farthing. With sue! pro-
vide& as wage papponsd by Mr. Hadfield, would be far
WSW lb hawse Nil at all ; sad he scald sot understand
how glom wits prebend to be is favour of the priori* of
the ME SOW glee Sisk emotion to such mars. and pitfall".
(Hew, bat) He abould stand en the bill is its pretest
fort. Ile *Meet tossed to altar the laws of partnership,
but to mashie individuals to advance capital without in-
crning theft heavy to which they werew
subject. (Hear, best.)
so
kr. CARDWELL salaried upon the selechisole and
frank fir 'Mai he seatesded the bill would &Gov" ea
opealag. The nearer, meld net be reedited safe wittiest
the istrodeeties of a themplete system of mist/sties sad
publicity with nepeet to the sestrasta effected nadir Its
provlsions.
TM LORD ADVOCATE .rased that no fraud would
he makable loader the ir Toted bill for which the unt-
ies law did last alked sample &edifies.
Mr. LINDSAY apprehended that creditors would be
'tiered ratio Inn Meted by asy special Itablstive pro.
tostioa spine pcseible fund. It win, hetought, wore
nivinhie
Whew of alleeden the bill than to adopt the suggested
The boaaiNtarlied :

Yoe thomtrai--- 76
Ales• 6l-H
The boom osoleMiosty vast tau committee
The listisse deemil beehis boss .i~...ed to,
Oa lima Lobe sot to be doesed • pub's,
Mr. 0 mewl to lid at So ..d of the slaw,
bet ri• paths rievie We es aforessill shin reeicrerattle
meta after all other 'reams shall bass boss fully ma lee
mm to their lawful dolmas*. add basfsese."
Mr. LOWE wad sot adept the melee. The offset of it
mead be, that, semis a sum last may to a trader fee a
mortals period, sad mhos the time mime whited bpt it
bull, bates Inder Mum( to rem sad the Moan wee
delves te ea .Ilea he woold be Wood se Wage ls ble ds
'lustiest, sad so pees, thee all the ober dream's hal ben
pale &ea est'lls& >ts wield state else he Wisest to be
esseatlel shoetree la pielsereblp at wont Is lb. Meet
plass, these met be Mat owsorsolp of the partsesszlepeac
pens ; air erased plow, there um be Joist ;
la the WM plies; there suet be th• power 'lambs or
sisal/osaalllalle Ile peewee t ese. hither, We
met la ago* es& MOW la
tramaadese, Ida& men leaders wall sat.
tale; there man be the peen of Agin Is Ihe pelts ;
bat rle wee edip ens oldplthere Dot the met Isigasteat.