The Express.
London, England, 1851-04-15 00:00:00

painting had been introduced; and he stopped it the very
evening he became aware of it. (Hear, hear.)
Sir B. HALL said he could go further. If his
memory served him right, his right hon. friend (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) called Mr. Barry into the
room and distinctly cautioned hint against his penchant for
decoration, and al,:o with respect to the expenditure not
exceeding the grant. lie was very anxious to be informed
when they were likely to occupy the new house? (Hear.)
Mr. GREENE said he had asked Mr. Barry the ques-
tion that very week, and he had told him that he how il by
Whitsuntide;.. hut a difficulty was experienced owing to
• the wetness of the walls.
Sir D. NOUREYS defended Mr. 13arry, as did Colonel
RAWDON, who read Mr. Barry's reply to the charge of
acting against the expressed wishes of the house, which, he
said, had not been communicated to hint in an authorita-
tive manner, and Colonel Rawdon complained of the terms
of the notice given by Sir De Lacy Evans, as conveying
an imputation upon the architect's profesedonal character.
Lord DUNCAN had in his hand certain returns from which
it appeared that the amount of water required in the new.
house during the session was 260,000 gallons a day ; and
during the 165 days of recess, BMW —a larger supply than
would he afforded to a town of 11,000 inhabitants. (Laugh-
ter.) The fact albs since the amalgamation of the Board of
Works with the Woods and Forests there had been an in-
extricable confusion of accounts ; and had there been a re-
sponsible minister of public works, not only would they
have had the new house completed long since, hut they
would have saved an immense amount of the expense.

(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME had recommended on a previous occasion
that Mr. Barry should be removed front his situation ; and
he did that as a simple matter of unfitness, and not as a
question of pounds, shillings, and pence. The idea of spend-
ing two millions and a half on a building, which after all
was not a suitable one, prese need absurdity not to he
equalled in the annals of human folly. (Cheers.) The moment
the House of Lords was finished, he had complained that
there was not sufficient accommodation for the house of Com-
mons, and haul stated that if Mr. Barry was allowed to pro-
reed with it he would make it a gewgaw, just like the Ilium
of Lonles, and not tit fur that house. The house had nega-
tived that proposition. Ile was convinced that the 'muse
would not be finished in five years, unless some other
plan were taken. Two years ;ego he had moved for
a return of the expense incurred, us well as an estimate of
all that was to be expended ; and the government of thu
day had done extremely wrong in allowing the works to
proceed without obtaining that estimate. 11r. Barry would
now have to receive 40,000 f. or 70,000 f. It was all very
well for him getting his 5 per cent. on the outlay, but it
was e.ontltry to the espress agreement. But the govern-
ment was more to blame than Mr. Barry, who was obtain-
ing his educati ~,, , in order to perfect himself in architecture,
at the expense of the country, and he had no doubt the
bedding would cost another million.
Sir It. 11. 'NOUS mid that after it had been determined
to erect a tower floe ventilation, the estimate was 70,000 f.
for that, and 80,000/. for the endatuktneut of the Thome,
Ile slid not believe that the money yet expended amounted
to one-half of two millions. It was doe to the ett.vaeter of
a professional mum that the actual facts should he stated.
Lord C. HAMILTON deprecated the permission of an
architect to involve the country in such a vast expense
without specification,' or plant of any kind.
After IL free word,' from Lord 11. %%vie and Mr. E.

lli,:s; tens,
Mr. FItEWEN said he wished to interrupt the question
by a referenee to a subject of 311 entirely different nature.
On the 28th of 111 arch he had given notice of a mo-t im-
portant motion, which he had not yet had the opportunity
to bring Imward, for an address to tier Majesty, stating that
very great distress prevailed in the county of St,,x, and
that it was quite out of the power of the hop-planters to pay
the duty. Ile wished to he informed when he meld bring
fOrward that motion, which he had had down for a C 0,1,1-

derublc time.
The SPEAKER said that as V.c twtice did not appear
in the paper of that day, the hon. member e' of not then
bring it forward. lb• must renew his nut:,—.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY hoped that an answer would be
given to the question, who was responsible ? (Hear, h ur.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EX.CIIEQL ER said bis
impression was that the commissioners would be respon-
sible for the proper ventilation of the house.
After a few words in explanation from Sir DE L 1( T
EVANS,
Mr. BANKS was n member of the committee last year,
and the only expenditure sanctioned by them Was that re-
quired to give increased aecommodation to members.
Painted windows were not taken into amount.
BORN EAN MASSACRE.
Mr. HUME said he had given notice of a question for
that night, which he would then put. It was whether or
not her Majesty's ministers were prepared to suspend the
payment of a certain suns of " trail money" accruing out
"(the Bornean massacre until the papers in reference
thereto should he laid on the table of the house. (Onler.)
The SPEAKER begged to inform the hon. gentleman
that there was a question before the house already.
Mr. HUME thought it had been disposed of.
Sir F. I'. BARING would answer the question of his
hon. friend, although a little irregular. (A laugh'.) Iler
Majesty's ministers had nut the power of stopping the pay-
ment, us it was due and payable under an act of parlia-
ment. (Hear, hear.)
SUPPLY.—ARMY ESTIMATES.

The house then went into committee.
On the vote, 11,6061., to defray the allowance of garrison
officers at hoone and abroad, and the payment of rewards tor
military toervires,
Mr. HI'ME said lie thought these votes were not in-
tended to be continued.
Mr. F. MAI'LIo: eta ted that since 1831 the amount had
been reduced from 18,000/.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 2,000/. was next agreed tn. to defray the ex-
penses of rewards for meritorious services of nun-commis-
sioned officers.
The most vote, 52,500/., for defraying the charges of full
pry of reduced and retired officers, was agreed to without
observation.
On the vote of 377,0001. for half pay and military allow-
aims to reduced and retired officers,
Mr. HUME asked whether any of these officers were
now fit for service ?
Mr. F. MAULE said some few were. Since 1833 the
numbers had diminished from 5,071 to 3,138, and the
charge from 385,000/. to 377,0001.
The vote was agreed to.
The next vote was :01,9931. for half pay and reduced
allowances to officers of disbanded foreign corps, for pen-
sions to wounded foreign officers, and for allowance to the
widows and children of dose:ascii foreign officers.
Mr. HUME remarked that these foreign officers seemed
to live a very long time. lie suggested that there should
be a muster occasionally, or these pensioners would live for
ever. (A laugh.)
Mr F. MAC LE said they took the greatest pains to have
the officers identified before they gave them the pensions;
they were identified by our consul. They mostly lived at
Hanover.
The vote was agreed to.
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thee next
and fvosarote 10.,2*.2,,..717p/o. ,
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withoutnsi ons t widowsobservation.
otion f officers
The next vote was 88,300 i. for the probable charges of
allowances on the compassionate list, of allowances as of her
Majesty's royal bounty, and of pensions, gratuities, and
allowances to officers for wounds.
Mr. 111:31 E. asked if there was any limit to this list ?
Mr. F. MAULE replied that there was not, but it was
very carefully watched.
On the next vote was 35,4131. fur the charge of Chelsea
and Kilmuinham hospitals,
Mr. HUME said the time had come when the govern-
ment ought to consider whether the establishment at Chelsea
was productive of benefit in proportion to its cost.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said there was no more monstrous
abuse existed than that of Chelsea. Out of 26,5101. the cost
of officers was 11,004/.
Colonel DUNNE observed that the sum received by
many of these officers was a reward fur former exertions.
The vote was then agreed to.
The next vote was 1,233.0601. for the charge of out-pen-
sioners of Chelsea, of pensions to discharged negro sololieri,
of pensioners front the Hanoverian corys which served with
the British army in 1793, 1791, and 1/9.5 ; and of the mili-
tary organisation of nut-pensioners.
Mr. WAK LEY asked how many of the Hanoverian pen-
sioners were alive who served in 1/93 and 1791
Mr. HOME—Are there any ?
Mr. F. NIACLE said he could not tell the numbers, but
the cost of them was about 6001. last year.
The next vote was 37,5001. for allowances, compensations,
and emoluments, in the nature of superannuation or retired
allowances.
Col. CIIATTERTON put some questions which were in-
audible in the gallery.
Mr. J. A. SMITH suggested that there should he public
day rooms for the soldiers in which they might be able to
spend their time. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. MAULE, in reply to the question of the hon.
and gallant gentleman ((,01. Chatterton) said that with
regard to the command money of officers that was a
question which depended more 9n the liberality of the
house than on him. With regard to the command pay of
cavalry oaten., he believed it was admitted that it was
lower than it ought to be, but ho did not think it war
lower in proportion than the pay of the other officers of tho
army. With regard to the accommodation of married soi-
-1 diers, it was only intended to extend to half the married
soldiers, it being considered that accommodation within the
barrack might be provided for the other half. As to the sug-
gestion for providing accommodation for married officers, it
was an indulgence which he could not entertain at all, as ho
believed the result of it would be that they would have the
! whole army married, (" Hear, hear," and laughter.) Wth
regard to the suggestion for public day-rooms for the sot
dier, he considered it a valuable one ; and, as far as it could
he managed at present, day-room was provided for hint.
I There was a library in which he could spend his time, and
in which he was happy to say he did spend his time profits-
lily ; but the accommodation, he admitted, was insufficient.
(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Colonel DUNNE,
Mr. HENLEY said that he observed that although the
original cost of cavalry horses, which was 264., was less than
that for artillery horses, which was 31!., yet the whole ser-
vice of the artillery horses was maintained at a less cost than
the cavalry horses. (blear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
Tho CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the house restated.
EXPENSES OF PROSECUTIONS BILL.
This bill was read a third time.
On the motion that the bill do pass,
Mr. BANKES said that he considered the bill a great
improvement, but he suggested that the bill should include
conspiracies, which was a class of crimes—especially that of
conspiracies against women—that ho regretted to see
creasing of late.
Mr. WAKLEY said that the suggestion of the hon. gen-