The Express.
London, England, 1851-08-05 00:00:00

LOCAL SHARE MARKETS.

Lrrairooi, Ago. 4. Birkenhead, Lancashire, and
Cheshire (2ri. abates), 71 d.—Caletiortien. —Lanouhire and York-
Wea ta. 401—DAta per oent. pref. Mara)), I3—Leadon and
Nem Wasters (new shares), 31 p.—Midland, 411—Ddb (halt
shares). 20 41.—North Walters, 14 13.10 d.—loath Lawn and
Deur, 211.
BIRMINGHAM Aoo. 4.—This market was rather Beater
today. pries, bat not myth bushier wee dom.—Macau.
burl sad A's were Wee at ai ; the Preksenee
thin* at 1N; lead stocks, New Cebu Mille, at S.
MANCILINTEN, Aro. 4.—A very quiet market, with
==ge.—ldarhimmaad ; Duets. 21,
alt 7hatmdency was. upll-1144.
so tar stray dirge could bs Hated.
Lain, Ago. 4.—We have had another fiat market to-
day. /lie benlmus due liss bora East lanouhins, ae
and In Lens mad Torkehkee, et 49, being barely latuatt
Wow

HOUSE OF LORDS.—MONDAT, Avovprr 4.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat at five o'clock.
I'ETITIONS I'RESENTED.
UtEaL or UNlTtlitaess.—By the Duke of RICH-
MOND, front Unitarian ministers and others of the South
Unitarian Society, complaining that clergymen of that
church of England refused to read the burial service over
the corpses of unitarians, and praying that they might be
in-emitted to use a service of their own, or that the ministers
of the established church might be directed to read the
burial service over their dead.
PALACE.—By the Duke of WELLINGTON,
Earl roitTEscCE, Earl of MALMESBL'ILY, and Lord
bEAU3IONT, from various places, in favour of the 'atten-
tion of the Crystal Palace. the last noble lord said that
many of the petitions came from a distance, and were
signed by sermon who could not have any interest in the
Crystal Palace being conserted into a winter garden. He
could we no architectural beauty in it which rendered it
desirable that it should remain; and, if an agreement had
been entered into with persons resisting in the neighbour-
hoed that it should be taken down when the purpose for
which it was erected was answered, that agreement should
be adheres' to.
ORNElett. Mann 01 ITICO.TR BILL.—By the Earl of
bi ALM ESISU Rl', from Worthing, aitainst this bill; and
the Earl of CAttLISLE, from the same place., signed by
every m.slical man in the town, iu lavour of the bill. By the
Earl of II A itROM:IY, from Blackburn, against the bill.
The E irl of SHAFTESBUItY said that, as fir as his
evidence ai id, the inhabitants of Worthing were anxious
or the hill.
After a short conversation the petition was ordered to lie
oa the tattle.
PAPAL Arineesstos.—By Lord REDESDALE, from
several places, against papal aggression.
A SINECURE OFFICE.
The Duke of 'LICH:tit/ND begged to call the attention
of the noble marquis opposite to a bill which went down to
shi other lisrise of jsnrliauu nl three months ago, to abolish
a Uneeisrs. office. fhe Intl had nut been taken up by the
government, and there was now no chance of its being
corned this session ; but he hoped the go-ernment would
not again till up the Mete ,as it was peek-ray useless.
The M aqui. of LANsIrOWNE made some observations
which were totally inaudible in the gallery.
GENERAL BOARD OF lIE.ILTII (No. 2 s.) BILL.
'Die Earl of SHAFTESBURY mortal the second read-
ing of this hill.
The Marquis of SALISBURY opposed the bill on gene-
ral 'meads.
Lord ST.INLEY (of Ablerley) hoped the measure would
not be furred on those towns—llertfonl and Worthing—
that were nod willing to wept it. (Hear, hear.)
After a brief conversation,
The Earle( CARLIsLE hegvel to suggest to his noble
friend (the F. irl of Shaftesbury) the withdrawal of the
towns of Hertford and Worthiog from the bill.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY assented and the bill was
then revel a second time.
EMIGItATION ADVANCES DISTRESSED MS-
TRIcTs (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the aantina that this bill he read a seeind time,
The Doke of NEWCASTLE objected to the bill. How-
ever, seeing that it was then tun late in the session to have
a better measure introduced, he would not divide their
lordships un the question, though at the same time he
ahould rinsed his protest against it.
The Doke of ARGYLL agreed with the noble duke in
the olsetion states' by him. Ile hail also another objection
to 'eke, nans..ly, that the bill lief Ore their lordships .eane-
ti ttttt sl the diversion of funds to an object not originally
cents mplated.
'ITc 101 l was then read a wenn.' time.
On the motion of the Earl of Cant. ist.r., the Inverness
Bridge (No. 2) Bill was nail a thirst time; the New Forest
Deer Removal, kr., Bill was mad a thirst time; and the
Itese Oh the Ikatersin l'ark Amendment and Exteusion
bill was received.
METItOPf)LITAN INTERMENTS BILL.
The Earl of CARLISLE having mused the second read-
ing of this bill,
The- Bishop of I.ON DON urged the shim of the London
clergy, who wore almost entirely dependent on burial fees,
to toinpeusition if the pr-actiet• of intrainund interment
were abolished. The right rev. prelate ended by leijing a
high tribute of praise to the venires rendered by the Earl
ut (*Aisle to the cause of !unitary reform.
Earl REY thought that the clergy had an undoubted
right to compensation. The h •, however, had better
euspenil its judgin..nt till the papers moved fur by laird
Ilarrowhy were laid he-foet. it.
The Earl of SHAFT ESltt 'RV renewed hi. eontplaiiita
against the Government for the lukewarm support they
gave to the Board of Health.
Earl GREY denied that it was the intention of Rey of
his colleagues to treat the board with disrespect, after which
the sub j. et dropped.
Aft, r some further diseussissn,
The bill was read a second time.
W.WIIIPPERS (PORT OF LONDON) BILL.
On the motion that the house should go into committee
on this hill,
lord DEA t• NIONT put a question to Lord Stanley of
Alds rley with respect to certain amendments on the 22nd
clause, Ina that noble lord refused to accept them, and they
were withdrawn.
'the bill then paewil through committee
THE CCSTOMS DILL.
This bill was read a third time and tooted.
('OIIMISSIONEILS OF RAILWAYS ACT REPEAL
The order of the slay for the third reading haring been
moved,

Mr. J. GREENE said that the old bill was bad enough,
but he considered the present bill a worse one. The groat
evil of the measure seemed to ►im to he that part of it
which referred to the examiners. The specification was to
remain the same as of old. The invention was to be provi-
sionally riori.tered, and the inventor had to go before the
examiner, who really became a dictator in the matter. He
was to determine whether a man had a right to his specifi-
cation or not. And for this he was to have 1,2001. a year.
B. hoped the government would not persevere ',Rix this
measure.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the matters to which the
his. ilastlernau referred were more fit to be discussed in
committee than on that °erasion. The subject was one of
great intricacy and difficulty. (Hear, hear.) The present
measure was more economical and more ample than the co-
existing system, and he believed it would be hailed aa
boon by the country. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. RICARDO said that he would oppose the measure
on the ground that the country had not had time to consider
its provisions. He should support the motion for the post-
ponement of the committee.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped the government would with-
draw the measure this session.
After some further discussion,
The motion fur postponing the committee was withdrawn,
and the house went into committee on the bill.
Clauses up to 4 were agreed to.
On clause 4,
Mr. GREENE proposed to leave out all the words re-
ferring to the appointment of the examiners.
Mr. RICARDO moved as a proviso to the clause, that no
person be appointed examiner who should be a patentee, or
who should have acted professionally in taking out of a
patent.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he had no objection to

the proviso.
The committee then divided on Mr. Green's motion—
Fur the clause
For Mr. Greene's amendment -44
The clause was then agreed to.
On clause 6, a discussion took place on the subject of
the fees.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, in reply to questions put
to him, said that it was holed the fees, winch were made as
low as possible, would be sufficient to meet all the ex-
penses. If more was required it would come before the
house in the annual estimates.
After some discussion the clause was agreed to.
On clause 7, requiring a petition and declaration to be
accompanied with a provisional specification, having been
agreed to,
The CHAIRMAN repotted progress, and obtained leave
to sit again at 12 o'clock to-morrow (this day).
METROPOLITAN WATER BILL.
Sir J. GRAHAM presented the report on the Metropo-
litan Water Bill, and said that to-morrow (this day) he
would move that the evidence be printed.
The house then adjourned till live o'clock.
The Speaker resumed the chair at five o'clock.
NOTICES FOR NEXT SESSION.

leml It EDEsDALE moved as an amendment that it be
11111 a third ti 111 l • that day Haw: mouths.
Lord lioNTEAGLE .60 condemned the bill.
Their lordships divided on the original question :
Contents
Noieroutents -4
The hill was then read a third time and pawed.
NEW ZEALAND SETTLEMENTS BILL.
After a few remar►s from the Duke of NEWCASTLE, and
a brief explanation from Earl Guar, this bill was read a
third tiro • and passed.
The General 'Own' of Health Bill (No. 2) passed through
committee. The Lunaties (India) Bill pawed through com-
mitt.s•. w.oi read a third time, and passed. The following
were reel a tint time: General Board of Health (No. 3)
Bill; Collection of Fines (Ireland) hill; Constabulary
Force (Ireland) Bill; Summary Jurisdiction (Ireland) Bill;
Petty SUNi..II. (Ireland) Bill.
Their lordships then adjourned at 20 minutes past 8
o'clock.

HOUSE OF CONINIONS.--NIONDAY, AUGcsr 4.
The Syr-taint tank the chair at 12 u'eloek.
PUBLIC Bust:Nam.
PKTITIONS PRISSEXTED.

Etocc %rum (Iggt..tsio).—By Mr. G. A. lIANIILTOX,
from Kilkenny. stating that the churrh of Rome would
meter sanction a united system of education, praying that
means might he provided for affording education to the
humide classes who conscientiously approve of the present
interbal systl m of education in Ireland : and that the word
Gisl niitht be made the basis of the system ; also, a peti-
tion from Fermoy, in favour of the Church Education
Soviet y tl relaruH.
t•risrtt. Farm-it—By Mr. SEYMOUR, from Poole;
Mr. WILLCOX, from Southampton; Mr. O. F. YOUNG,
front f ; Mr. lIFXItY. front Ilury (Lincashire), in
fatiiiir ..r the retention of the Crystal Palace.
It tws, mr, VAWN, from
Whith% and Mr. SIVONRII, front Inverness, complaining
of dues levied on vessels passing Ramsgate Harbour,
and prating that tho.report of the commistfiuners may be
tarried out.

Evil. ti. AND CAPIIT Lan EAN.%Nr% —By
WAWN. from Shields. prayinq that the house
would out par this bill till the evidence taken
before the Ilnuse of Lords was laid before it ;
Lord J. from the Dean and Chapter of
/turban". againrt the paring of any compulsory prosision
fur the olfrastehiArmrat of ecclesia•ticAl property during the
present 1••••Isit 011 ; Sir D. lIALL, from au intliritlurl re-
siding in l'addinermogrect, Marylebone. stating that out
of SO 1111.11101/ and 'JAM tenant% roonpri•ctl in the see of Lon-
don, the present bishop had enfranchised only 11 minors
and 00 truants. notwithstanding the nuntcrou* application%
which lad beta made I,rt onfranchigcnacist, complaining of

Mr. B. ROC HE gave notice that early next session he would
move for leave to bring in bills on the following subjects :
A Bill to Reform the Grand Jury Law of Ireland; a Bill
to Alter and Amend the Irish Poor Law ; a Bill to Amend
the Law relating to Fairs and Markets in Ireland, and to
regulate the Sale of all Agricultural Produce in Cities,
Towns, and Country in Ireland ; a Bill to establish •
regular system fur taking the averages of the prices of all
Agricultural Produce in each Union in Ireland, and to
carry out a Uniform System of Valuation of all Property for
the purpose of lining :all rates and taxes; • Bill to Allow
the Application of the Land Improvement Loan to the
Building of Suitable Houses fur the Labouring Population,
and for the erection of retteries for the preparation of Flax;
and also to move a resolution that "On one day in the week
Irish Bills sk.II have precedence of all other business."
Mr. URQUHART—A select committee to enquire into
the mod: of conducting the iliploonitie service of the coun-
try; also a cumusicion ou the subject of public vapour
baths.
THE CASE OF DON PACIFICO.

the ineetnesience and loss wastalsed Ia several inn.inet:, in
ninlonwiwnr, of the refusal to enfranchir, and of the coin,
MOW, fro. luyntite to the hilltop and his steward when en-
hawks. rat lit n.is granted; urging that the non-enfran-
rhisetnent of the manure impeded the erection of house. in
localities peculiarly adapted to building purposes, and
praying that ;u any 14.,04.itiaM With Twit.ird to teatilLotiCil
top t holds, the enfranchisensent should be made compulsory;
Mr. Ali LION lIV, from two indis Waal", against compulxiry
enfranchiwinent,
eitYLlf,tL PALACE.—ANSWER TO TIIF. ADDRESS

OF iii fin

fu reply to a Lineation from Mr. UHYCHAIIT,
Lord I'ALMLItSTON said there was no objection to the
N per* Oil this salgett being laid on the table.
Lord D. STUART, referring to the fact of the Portuguese
IrOVernMeld baring rewarded their commissioner in the
affair of Don Pacifico with honours, while no such mark of '
approbation had been given b our own government to their
commissioner, Mr. Campbell Johnson, asked whether it was
to be inferred that her 31aj+ sty's government was dissatisfied
with the arrangement the commissioner+ had come to?
Lord P.ILMERSTON had no difficulty in assuring his
noble friend and the house that the manner in which Mr.
Caninbell Johnson had performed his duty as the British com-
missioner was entirely satisfactory to her Majesty's govern-
ment. llis noble friend was aware that in regard to conferring
honours and decorations the custom+ of govenirnents
fered—foreign government+ were often lavish in conferring
such rewards (which, as it appeared to him, ceased to be
rewards when given with indiscriminate profusion)—(hear,
hear)—but that was not the habit of the British govern-
alma. (Cheers.)
BUENOS AYRES.

In reply to a question from Mr. Ctturn.ttti, for infor-
mation respecting the new phase of the relations between
Buenos Are. and France and England,
Lord PALMERSTON said the answer to the question is
simple, at least so far as England is concerned. It is well
known that a treaty of peace and reconciliation was con-
eluded and ratified between the British government and
the Argentine confederation more than 12 months ago, and
that a similar treaty was negotiated on behalf of France by
the French admiral on the station, Admiral Le Predour.
That treaty wee forwarded to France, where some objec-
tions were taken to it, more in form, I believe, than in
substance, and it was in consequence sent back to Admiral
Le Predour for reconsideration by the Buenos Ayrean go-
vernment. An amended treaty was subsequently eon-
' eluded and signed by the French admiral and the Argen-
tine negotiator, which was forwarded to France and at
the present time is under consideration by the French
government. That treaty will require the ratification of
the Assembly; but I am informed that in consequence of
the pressure of other business, it cannot he brought under
the consideration of that body during the present session.
Mr. URQUHART—Have France and England a corn-
mon understanding in regard to that treaty ?
Lord PALMEItSTON—I apprehend that the French
and English governments enaleirkssl in the interference on
a cominsn and identical principle—the endeavour to restore
peace in that part of the world, and to maintain the inde-
pendence of 1 ruguay. I am not aware that the French
government had any other object in view. (Hear, hear.)
AFFAIRS OF EGYPT.
Mr. URQUHART then put a series of questions in re-
ference to Egyptian affairs—whether the British govern-
ment supported the project of a railroad in that country to
a capital to which there was now continuous water commu-
nication; and if so, whether England had bound itself in
the matter by any guarantee ; whether the condition in the
treaty of Jul), 1810, as to the hereditary succession to the
Pachalick of Egypt, was to be allowed to interfere with the
power of the Sultan to appoint; and whether the discre-
pancy between the action of our ambassador at Constanti-
nople and our representative at Alexandria was consequent
upon instructions received from home, or was it the result
of their own views?
Lord PALMERSTON—In the first place, as to the rail-
road, I believe the I'acha of Egypt intends to construct out
of his own revenues a railroad from Alexandria to Cairo,
and it is the opinion of her Majesty's government that ouch
a railroad would be a wise and expedient undertaking—that
it would contribute to the prosperity of Egypt, and be of
advantage also to all countries having commercial inter-
course with that state. (Hear, hear.) But the British
government have entered into no engagement, or guaran-
tees of any kind with regard to the construction of this rail-
road. (Hear.) it is, however, undoubtedly the opinion of
the English government—an opinion which has been ex-
pressed to the parties interested—that the Pasha of Egypt
is entitled to make the railroad out of his own funds in
accordance with the terms of the firman by which the
hereditary succession of the Paehalick was granted in ISO.
With regard to the discrepancy alluded to by the hon.
member between the course taken by her Majesty's
analereinlor at Cautantinople and her Majesty's consul-
general at Alexandria, all have to say is that I am not
aware of any such discrepancy. (Hear, hear.) Of course
both have acted under instructions received from the
came source—the government at home.
Mr. URQU lulu. reminded the noble lord that he had
not aneweranl the question as to the rights of the Porte in
the Pachalick under the treaty.
Lt. d PALMERSTON—The Armen laid down certain
conditions upon which the family of Mehemet Ali were
invested with the hereditary Pachalick of Egypt—that is it
attached certain conditions to the holding of the Pachalick.
I am not Aware that any change has been made in those
condition., and of course they mast be observed. (Hear,
bear.)
SUNDAY LABOUR IN THE POST OFFICE.
Mr. I'ACKE inquired of the Secretary to the Treasury
whether the recommendation contained in the report of the
commissioners appointed to investigate the question of Sun-
day labour in the Post-office. dated the 10th day of August,
•• That where the duties are such as to prevent the
rural letter carrier from atteniling divine service, an at-
rangement be Mae for providing a substitute, at least, on
the alternate Sundays." hail ben carried into eitiet : and if
not, whether it was the intention of the Postmaster-General
to adopt it ?
Mr. C. LEWIS replied that an instruction had been
given to the Postmaster-General by the Treasury to carry
that recommendation into elect. .It was the intention of
the Postmaster-General, as soon as circumstances would

Lord J. RUSSELL rose and mid that her M ijesty had
been *eased to give the following gracious answer in reply
to the address of the Howse of Commons respecting the
Cryst sl l'ulace. "Ilse Majesty has received the address of
the 114A1%. of 011111110343. praying that her Majesty would be
=il to tale sups for the preservation of the Crystal
until the Ist of May. It will be necessary to con-
sider carefully the engagements of the royal commissioners,
sad her Maj,ty will direct an inquiry not only into those
engagement,. but into various matters of detail, which
meet be considered before any decision can be made on this
indiSeet.- Glens. hear.)
GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH.
On the motion that this bill be re.ul a third time,
Mr. HENLEY moved the omission of the 9th clause,
which introdueed anew principle of rating with resaril to
Formal prison, which did nut apply to other prisons.
Sit Lord v noun and Sir F. HAKIM& opposed the motion,
which was negativNl without a division.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS moved the omission of Macclesfield
hem the schedule, which was also negatived.
The bill yeas then read a third time and passed.
NUISANCES REmoyA!..
_AND _ DISEASES FRE-

EYTIO "BILL.

This bill was mad a lhinl t 11;; aud7as bed.
CANTERBURY ASSOCIATION BILL.
This bill RA• read a third time and ;Passed.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

On the motion that this bill he committed,
Mr. IIENItY mimed that the committee be postponed
tall to-morrow, for the purpose of airing parties who were
interested time to consider its provisions.
The ATTOItNEY-GIENEKAL said that if the com-

Lewd PALMlRsirox—Nocommuoiestion of the nature
of the supposed note hail been made by Austria to her Ma-
jesty's goVerument—(hear)—and the result of suck in-
quiries as we have made on the subject tends to lead us to
the opinion, that the note in question, like another which
also appeared in the continental newspapers,. is a pare in-
vention. (Hear, hear.) I say another which appeared in
the foreign newspapers, because I may as well state at the
same time, that there was another note said to have been
presented by the governments of Russia and Prussia to the
Italian governments, assuring them of their support in
putting down any internal convulsions that might occur. Her
Majesty's geverninent made inquiries as to the authenticity of
that note, and from the information we received my belief
is that there is no foundation for the report as to the exist-
ence of that note, any more than there is for the report of
the existence of the note to which the hon. and learned
member has referred. Such being the ease, of course no
application has been made to her Majesty's government in '
the spirit of that note. (Cheers.) With regard to the
other question, whether any application has been made to
her Majesty's government to expel fore*ners resident in 1
this country, it may well be supposed, as my right hon.
frier.d the Secretary of State for the Home Department (who
is unfortunately not now in the house) stated on a former
occasion, that certain foreign governments look with
concern and anxiety on the proceedings of the foreigners
residing here—(hear)—but nothing has passed which
amounts to an application such a, the hon. and learned
member supposes to have been made. Had such an appli-
cation been made, the answer to it is obvious—" That the
laws of this country give no power to her Majesty's go-
vernment arbitrarily to expel any foreigner who resides
here, so long as he does not violate the laws of the land."
(Loud cheers.)
COURT OF CHANCERY AND JUDICIAL: COM-
MITTEE BILL.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL moved that the Lords'
amendments to this bill be printed, and taken into conside-
ration to-morrow (this day), at 12 o'clock.
Agreed to.
NATIONAL GALLERY.

Lord J. RUSSELL brought up the report of the corn-
MifOCIOIICFS appliUted to inquire into the site of the National
Gallery, which was ordered to lie on the table. The noble
lord stated that the commissioners recommended that the

National Gallery should not continue iu its present situa-
tion, and considered it would be desirable that a site should
be chosen for it in the immediate neighbourhood of Hyde-
park or Kensington gardens, where they thought a site
might be obtained on reasonable terms, or, if not, that a
site might be provided within the gardens. The subject
would be brought forward by the government fur conside-
ration next session. (Hear, hear.)
EPISCOPAL AND CAPITCLAR ESTATES MA-
NAGEMENT WILL.

The house then rewlceditsellinto committee on this

On the first clause,
The SOLICITOR!-GENERAL said an alteration hail
been made in this clause to meet the views, which on a
previous evening had been expressed by many honourable
gentlemen who addressed the house on behalf of the in-
terests of the lessees. The bill, as the house was aware,
was merely a permissive bill, to enable lessees and the par-
ties who held church property to coast to such arrangements
as they might think fit, with the approbation of the estates
committee of the ecclesiastical commission. The estates com-
mittee would not have the making of the bargain between the
parties, but all the arrangements entered into would be sub-
mitted to them, and must receive their approbation. It bad
been asked, on the part of the lessees, that there should
appear some recognition in the act of their peculiar position
in reference to their property—not of any definite terms
to be imposed upon them, or that they should impose on
the capitular bodies—the terns of the bargain were to be
left to the parties themselves who cease into the
agreement. (Hear.) Rut that, fur the guidance of
the third party, who was to approve of the
arrangement, these equitable right arising frost the con-
tinued power of reucwal attaching to the petuliar nature of
their tenure, should be acknowledged. (Hear, hear.) The
words by which he proposed to carry this object into effect
had been taken from the report of the committee of the
House of Lords, %herein they said it was desirable that
regard should be paid to the just and reasonable claims of
the lessees. In another passage the mine claims were de-
scribed as cliims almost amounting to a right, from the
long continued practice of renewal. (Hear, hear.) The
words he proposed to introduce into the clause for the
guidance of the Commission in giving their sanction to
the agreement whist' might be made under the bill,
were utter the words " Estates commissioners, who shall pay
due regard to the just and reasonable claims of the present
holders of lands under lease, or otherwise, arising from the
long continued practice of renewal." lie moved that the
words he had read be inserted.
Mr. PIGOTT observed that if he were in order he would
move that the chairman report progress, and ask leave to
sit again.
Col. SIBTIIOIIP professed himself willing to support the
motion for reporting progress.
Mr. HEADLAM would certainly Tote for the introduc-
tion of the words proposed by the Solicitor-General.
Lord IL VANE expressed his surprise that a bill like the
present involving so many interests, and amongst others
those of his own constituency, should have been brought
forward at the ekes of the session.
After a few words from Sir J. DUCKWORTH,
Sir D. lIAI.L said that some surprise seemed to have
been expressed that ens opposition should come from the
lessees, but the grounded' the real opposition was this—that
the bill had been brought in at so lute a period of the ses-
sion. (Hear, hear.) His own opposition, in the first in-
stance, was based upon these facts—that it was an unex-
ampled proceeding to bring in a bill of the kind
at such a time, to put it into print and circu-
late it at eleven o'clock in the morning, and then
for the whole force of the government to be brought down
in order to thrust legislation upon the house. (Hear.) There
were millions a year almost at stake upon this question, and
it was one of the most difficult which could by possibility be
dealt with. If the bill were allowed to pass, precedents of
an unfortunate character would be afforded for future legis-
lation. lie thought it desirable that the words
proposed by the Solicitor-General should be recorded
as the opinion of the committee, and then that they should
cease all further legislation on the subject fur the present
session. If ally bill were passed to meet the case it ought
to be one that had been well matured. (Hear.)
After a few words from Mr. Aglionby, who hoped the
amendment would be carried be a large majority, Mr.
Cardwell, Mr. E. Hudson, Sir 11. Willoughby, and Colonel
Sibthorp,
Sir J.URAIIAM said he had not thought it consistent with
his duty to support the further progress of this bill on the
former occasions on which it had been under discussion.
lie had been of opinion that the importance of the bill was
too great, the period of the session too far advanced, and
the attendance its the house too thin for the consideration
of so important a subject. (Hear, hear.) Much mere
strongly was he of that opinion now. (Hear, hear.) Hs
had nut been in the least prepared for the proposal made
by the Solicitor-General. (Hear, hear.) This was a mat.
ter of the greatest importance. This was a bill, in fact,
affecting the partial spiritual destitution of the people; sad
thus regarded it surely was a bill whirls ought to be consi-
dered in a full house. (Hear, hear.) it was to be remem-
bered that in 1845, six years ago, general rules were laid
on the table of the house by the ecclesiastical commis-
sioners, which, in the most express and distinct terms, laid
down the principles on which they had up to that time ad-
ministered, and subsequently admiuistered, she atikirs of the
great trust confided to them. What were the real interests at
stake? There were the interests of the lessees en the one
hand, but there were the interests of the great body of the
church on the other. lie had stated before, and be should
never miss an opportunity of declaring that he was de-
cidedly opposed to the distinction between the "episcopal"
and the "common" funds which had too long prevailed.
He believed that by this distinction an undue temptation
was held out to the right reverend prelates of the church,
who were allowed a fluctuating income ,• who were called on
to receive a nominal fixed sum; but who took their chance
of what more they could receive out of the common
band. To the utmost extent consistent with Law and equity
they ought to do their utmost to increase the amount of
the common fund, which was mailable for the spiritual
wants of the people of this country. Ile had never once
dissented from the opinion that considering the extent to
which dissent had spread in this country, and considering
that the House of Commons wan not the representative
exclusively of the church of England, but was the repre-
sentative, at the same time, of various classes of dissenters,
it was impossible to expect that the spiritual wants of the
people could at any future period derive assistance from
the general taxation of the country. (Hear, hear.) lie
held that the property of the church itself must be ape
plied wider the directiod of parliament to meet
her own spiritual waists. (Hear, hear.) Then
they came to the question—what was the con-
dition of this church ? lie would refvr only to the
second rsport of the ecclesiastical cenamissioners. That re-
port showed that there were dense masses of the population
for whose spiritual wants no provision had beets made, and
that although great efforts had been made within the last
ten years to meet those wants, in this metropolis and else-
where, still the growth of the population outstripped all
these exertions. In point of fact, then, the spiritual desti-
tution of the country at this moment was as great as it had
been at the time the ecclesiastical commissioners were
appointed. (Hear, hear.) Could there, therefore,
be a more sacred trust than to keep up the
fund set apart for this purpose ? The question was, What
was the law and the equity of this use ? Of' the law there
could be no doubt. lie was nut new prepared to admit
permit, to carry out theinstractiou. I that there ought to be any equity considerations such as
EDUCATION (SCOTLAND). those which had been suggested. His hon. friend below
Viscount MELGUND asked if it was the intention of I him (Mr. Cardwell) had mentioned that in this report of
government to introduce a measure on the subject of the Lords there were mentioned several different cases of
national eduettion in Scotland next session. I dealing with property at the will of the lessors, which ne-
Lord J. RUSSELL could not promise that government r gatired either the legal or the equitable pretension of the
would be able to bring forward such a measure in the neat lessees. There might be such claims.. Ile was not pre-
session. Tlx subject was, however, one which well de- pared to negative them. All he said was, that parliament,
served, and would receive, the attention of the government. up to this tiine, had never, either directly or indirectly,
(Hear• bear.) l given its sanction to the proposition. (Hear, hear.) Was
OCCUPATION OF ROME.—FOREIGN REFUGEES 'this a light matter they were discussing? He had
IN ENGLAND. only by accident seen the report of the Lords.
Mr. ANSTEY, referring to a report in the continental They were discussing what were to be the transactions as
newspapers of an instruction from the court of Rome to its regarded property, which was to be estimated in millions.
represeutatise at the court of Vienna to endeavour to effect All at once, therefore, and without inquiry, he could not
the replacing of the French garrison at Rome by a garrison I agree to a principle not heretofore sanctioned by parlia-
of Austrian and Neapolitan troops, the avowed object being l ment. There were other objections. The regulations
to prevent the possibility of the re-establishment of a liberal binding on the discretion of the euminissiouers had been
government in Rome, asked it' any communication on the . fur six years on the table of the house. No attempt had
sultect had been brought under the notice of her Majesty's ; beets made to interfere with or to negative than. Last year governmeut by the representative of the court of Vienna in the committee over which the hon. member for Molten
a note as hail been reported ? Also whether, in the same I (Mr. E. Denison) presided, and of which he
note, as was also reported, application had been made to ' (Sir J. Graham) had been a member, in mak-
the English government for the expulsion of Hungarian, ing their report on this subject, had advised
-is Lindes, and for the sup- I that an estates commission should be atipoimed. They did
`d to be negotiating m I more—they had advised that the Ecclesiastical Commission
I should retain the power of laying down the principles iu

reference to which the estates committee was to proceed.
Aud that advice had been adopted in the act of last session.
Surely the legislature had then had an opportunity of enter-
ing a caveat against these regulations. (Hear, hear.) It
might be right to say now, fur the first time, that power
should be given to sell the property of the church. That
was the provision which came down in this bill, as unal-
tered, from the house of Lords. Ile would not negative it
—lle would not sanction it. llesintply protested against
considering that principle in the last week of the session.
But they proposed to add a principle still more important.
The words introduced at the instance of thc Solicitor-General
gave not only the power to sell, but asked that in
the process of sale a favourable consideration should he
extended to the lessees, on account of past years. He would
not say now that under strict regulations such a permissive
power, favourable to the lessees, might not be exercised
advantageously to the whole church as well as to the
lessees. (Hear, hear.) He was by no means prepared to
say that, after consideration, he would not give his consent
to that proposition. But, looking to the vast interests at
stake, and considering that they were now dealing with those
spiritual wants of the people, compared with which their
other wants were as nothing, he could not conceive it to be
his duty at this period of the session to assent to the pro-
posal. (The right hon. baronet was most indistinctly heard
throughout his speech.)
Lord J. RUSSELL owned that it appeared to bins that if
it was right to consider at all the question before them, and
he did think it was right, in conformity with the ex-
pressed wishes of the House of Lords it was at the saner
time perfectly right to consider on what terms they could
agree to the bill. It seemed to him that it was not very fair
in hon. gentlemen to say that they were ready to consider
the bill, but that they were precluded by the late period of the
session from considering the alterations proposed by the
government. He found now, from what he bad heard, that
the lessees had had greater reason to complain than he had
supposed. What he had understood was, that the ecclesias-
tical corporations, on the one hand, were to be empowered
to make their urrangettents with the lessees on the other,
for the purchase of property; and that the estates commis-
sioners were to have a superintending control. But from
the course of the debate it had appeared that nothing but a
strict legal right, to be enforced in a court of equity, was
to he attended to; and that the estates commissioners were
to have no other power than to say yes or no whether an
agreement Caine within the strict law and equity of the ease.
this being so, he felt bound to support the view of the Soli-
citor-General, enforced with the opinions of several of those
who represented the interests of the lessees. (Hear.)
What was proposed was, not what would he com-
pulsory and binding with regard to the church estates
commissioners. It was only giving then' a certain latitude
to consider certain things—that they might have regard to
just and reasonable claims arising from long practice of
renewal. There was no question as to the character of those
Commissions, or as to their fitness fur their White. Two of
them were appointed by the crown, and one wee appointed
by the Archbishop of Canterbury. (hear.) Howe, er up-
pointed, no one had found fault with the individuals selected.
(hear, hear.) They, in considering the just and reason-
able claims of the lessees, could not lie expected to go beyond
what they should:think were lair and reasonable pretensions.
(Hear, hear.) The whole question, therefore, resolved
itself into this—whether the house of Commons was now
to say that nothing beyond a legal and equitable claim—
that was to say equitable, not in the sense of hieing fair and
reasonable, but in the %ease of a claim that could be enforced
in a court of law—should be granted iu any CAWe to a lessee.
(Hear, hear.) Ile confessed, for his own part, that he
would have preferred to this bill the plan proposed by the
commission appointed by the crown, and which, in the
shape of a bill, had been placed before the House of Lords.
(Hear, hear.) But, having failed in obtaining the sanction
of theilemee of Lords to that plan, it did appear to hint that
they were not in a condition to carry out this bill unless
they took care that the interests of the lessees should
be iu some degree regarded. (Hear, hear.) It was
a questiou for hon. pont:men to consider whether
there should be any option or discretion respecting certain
claims arising Irma long practice of renewal. lie was quite
ready to say with his might hon. friend (Sir J. Graham)
that it was most desirable that the church should obtain her
further re:settees from her own funds, and that there should
Ise no applieatiou to that house for aid (rein the ge nerd
revenues of the country. But, at the same time, he did not
know that it was more objectionable to seek finale
from the state, than to seek additional funds by
dealing harshly and contrary to what was just ;out r, asowilele
in regard to church property. (Hear, hear.) Ile would
with these views support leis hon. and learned friend the
Solicitor General. lie doing so, it was only saying that
they agreed to the bill ou certain couditions, not compul-
sory but optional with the estates commissioners. It would
be for the house of Lords afterwards to say whether the
bill deserved approbation on these terms. II the House of
Lords should not think so, then, of course, in the next ses-
sion, they would have to consider whether they could frame
any other measure on the subject. Unfortunately there
did not scent any great prospect of agreement with respect
to any compulsory measure. In any compulsory measure
there would have to be some such element as that which
the Solicitor-General had proposed. (hear, hear.) From
that principle he (Lord J. Russell) was not prepard to
depart. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. A. SMITH was not prepared to sacrifice the interests
of the church for the benefit of the lessees of that church ; but,
on the other hand, however great the spiritual destitution of
the country, and the want of the people for further spiritual
instruction might be, he was not prepared to sacrifice the
just and reasonable rights of the lessees even for so im-
portant en object. Ho could not consent to Ise frightened
out of what he believed to be the just and reasonable rights
of the lessees by any such legislation, or even by the sin-
cere respect he entertained for the church to which he
belonged. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. CAVLEY observed, it was said that this was a
permissive bill, but who was to be the umpire ? The
members of the eceleeiastical commission were persons of,
estimable character no doubt, but the bias of their minds I
had been seen, and all the conclusion that could be come to
was that more had been left to the secretary or the solicitor
of the commission than would have been left had the
numlier of the commissioners been fewer ; for with
the fewer number cone the higher responsibility.
The value of the property in question was probably not less
than 30 millions sterling, of which the church sow pos.
sensed, or dill practically now possess not more than one-
fourth. Then, could any one thank it was fair or reasonable
to take from the holders of that property an amount which
if the rule of the commissioners were followed would, pro-
bably, be 12 or Li millions sterling ? Ile should call it an
injustice of the grossest kind. And what was the ground
fur it ? Church extension. But parliament should have
repudiated that principle betbre. Over and over again it
had been repeated and reiterated that the just
and reasonable claims of the lessees should be re
erected, and that the moral certainty of renewal
should he always considered by those who dealt with
them. Because they wanted the money they had nu right
to take it from those who came the easiest within their
power. lie should certainly vote fur the introduction of
the words proposed by the Solicitor General. lie did not
claim credit to himself fur more disinterestedness than
other people hail, or wish to conceal that he was himself a
lessee. But in the year 11133, before he was a lessee and
before ho had any expectation of becoming a lessee, he had
expressed the glint] views upon this question quite as
strongly as he had expressed them now. (hear.)
Mr. Sl'OONElt was desirous both to promote the common
fund of the church and to protect the vested interests of the
lessees. If the bill was thrown out because it recognised the
just and reasonable claims of the lessees, a spirit would be
stirred up which would be found very difficult to manage in
another session ; and, if the lessees were set against the bill,
mere injury would be done to the church than any benefit they
sought to confer by legislation. lie implored the house to
pass this bill with the amendment of the hon. and learned
gentleman without delay. It involved uo principle beyond
that recommended in the report, and only did an act of
common justice. (Hear.)
After a hew words from Mr. Bannow,

Mr. HENLEY said that cverythil'ig he had heard
strengthened the conviction he had entertained that the bill
ought not to be passed this session. No one denied the jus-
tice of the amendment, but it had been said that the
amendment would change a permissive bill into a compul-
sory one. But the difficulty was that the house was asked
to come to a determination upon imperfeet information, and
to decide a great question in a hurry. (hear.) That was
what he had complained of on Friday, and he felt it still.
Without the introduction of tho words proposed the com-
missioners would not have the power to give to the claims
of the lessees that favourable consideration which it was
admitted by all they ought to have. But the house was
called upon to discuss those words without being prompted
by the usual motives, and without knowing what was the
opinion of the parties mint concerned. He hoped the noble
lord would not press the bill. (hear, hear.) It was not
fair to ask the house to adopt this or that form of words,
if, as had been suagested on the other side, the bill
Was to be thrown out afterwards. That was a serious
consideration. It had, he understood, been sug2es:vd on
the other side to the noble lord, to let the committee conic
to those words and then to stop. Would it not be wiser to
stop at once? There has not been time to consider what the
effect of the words might be, and they might not satisfy
either the one party or the other. To insert the words and
then get rid of the whole bill, would not be a very credit-
: able
with positiou, while, as he thought, they might stop now
credit.

passed was, that when the opportunity was given to the
parties of coming to an arrangement by themselves, it would
form a foundation for a compulsory enactment hereafter.
Surely to decide that arrangement the parties must be allowed
to come together on terms of perfect equality aid fairness.
The reason for inserting these words was, that if they. were
not inserted it would take away from the commissioners
who were to decide upon the propriety of the arrangement
the power of sanctioning any arrangement which took an
equitable view of the claims of the lessess. The commis-
sioners hail themselves taken that view. The commissioners
said that the Freace had no right either in law or ill equity
to a renewal of his lease. He believed everybody agreed
in that proposition, but every cne who had considered the
subject had also come to the conclusion that al-
though the lessee had no right in law or in
equity, he bad a great moral right to the renewal.
After a few words from Mr. J. Stuart, Mr. Alcock, and
Mr. Newilegate,
The committee divided—
For reporting progress
Against
Col. SHITHORP declaimed against the " surreptitious
manner in which it was attempted to smuggle the bill
through the house." He had to ask the Solicitor-General
whether th^ bill would he reprinted, in order that it might
be considered properly belore passing the house ?
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY begged to move, as an amend-
ment on the clause, that atter the word " land " the
words " farm lands and tithe rent charges" should be in-
serted.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL and other hon. members I
objected to the amendment as unnecessary, but held that if
at all necessary the words should be proposed on the inter-
pretation clause.
After a short conversation, the amendment was with- 1
drawn.—On the same clause,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he had no objection
to introduce the word lessees," so that the clause would '
rut, "Such bargains as such corporation or lessees shall
think fit," &c. This would leave the matter to be settled
pretty much by tho panic. interested.
Mr. C.' RD r. marked that the Solicitor-General
lied said that tit.. bill did not alter the legal or equitable
position of the parties. If so, he dial not think there could
be any objection to add a proviso to the following effect :
" Provided always that nothing herein contained shall be
deemed or taken to vary, or affect the legal or equitable
rights of such ecclesiastical corporations or lessees respec-
tively."
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL admitted that lie hail
stated that the bill did not alter the legal or equitable position
of the parties ; but it would be observed that the proviso
now proposed would apply to the whole clause, and thus b 5
extremely objectionable.
After some discussion the gallery was cleared for a divi-
sion, but no division took place.
The proviso was negatived, and the clause agreed to.
On clause '2 being proposed,
Mr. ANSTEY moved that a proviso be added to the
clause to prevent the unfair apportionment of rent.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL opposed the proviso upon,
the ground that it was useless.
The proviso was postponed for the present, and the clause
was agreed to.
Clause 3 was also agreed tn.
Clause I was amended by Mr. Rut, with the sanction of
the SOLICITOti-GESEILAL.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought that the mode in
which the bill had been brought down to the house had not
been properly considered, when it was said that the measure
was passed in haste by the government, and that due time
had not been given for consideration. The subject had en-
gaged the attention of parliament fora long series of years
—it had been considered by committees of both houses,
and by a commission appointed specially for the purpose of
inquiry. It had been admitted by every committee, in-
cluding the last that had sat in another place, and been ad-
mitted in every form, and laid down, indeed, as au axiom and
principle by the commissioners, that they were to pay due re-
gard to the lint and reasonable claims of the lessees. The com-
mittee had laid it down that that was a question that ought
not to be lett wholly untouched by the legislature, and that
committee representing the interests of all parties, bolt of
the holders of the property, and of those who had let it to
them, and having also to deal with the still greater interest
of the public at large in respect to the spiritual condition
of the people, had come to the unanimous decision of re-
commending that the bill should be passed this session.
The bill had been introduced on the recommendation of
the whole of that committee, and not by her Majesty's go-
vernment. The hon. member fur Liverpool had said that by the
introduction of the proposed words the whole principle of the
bill would be changed. Ho (the Solicitor General) had no
notion that any such intention had been entertained as
that of bringing forward the bill to place the lessees in a
more unfavourable position. If the hon. member was
right, the bill was unjust, but he found in the report of the
committee that the reason for recommending the bill to be

Mr. AGLIONIII objected strongly to the powers con-
ferred on the church by this bill to possess itself of addi-
tional land by purchase.
Mr. ANSTEY observe,: that the phraseology of the
clause made it imperative, or rather mandatory on the
church to purchase land.
Sir B. BALL moved that the words referring to the
purchase of land be struck out of the clause.
Atter a few words front Mr. IlysLcv,
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but the amendment
of Sir B. Itall was negatived without division.
The committee then divided on an amendment moved by
Mr. Anstey, when the numbers were—
For the clause 5B
Against it -48
The close was then ordered to stand part of the bill.
Clause 5 having, after some discussion, been agreed to,
Oil the next CIOUSC,
Mr. HENLEY moved the omission of certain words,
rendering necessary the approval of the church estates
commissioners to any dealing with the property. Ills
object was to prevent the continuance of the system of fines.
The SOLICITOWGENERAL undertook to modify the
Clause so us to meet the hon. gentleman's views.
111 answer to Mr. WAWN,
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL said he would tam) care
that there should lie no further leases on the tine system.
The chitin, was then agreed to.
On clause 8,
The SOLICITOR•GENERAL proposed certain verbal
amendments.

ColonelSllyflloßP complained of this mode of pro-
ceeding as unfair to the house.
Sir IS. HALL said the clause provided that the general
rules should be laid before parliament %Rhin 14 days, or
within 11 days from the opening of the next session. Ile
would suggest that the rules should be laid before the
Secretary of State when parliament was nut sitting. Ile
did not believe that the alteration propoQed in the douse
had arisen out of an error in the printing. Ile contended
thnt the object of the clause, as it originally stood, had been
to undo all the past legislation, and transfer all the power
to the dilates committee, a body which had dune all the
mischief.

Mr. OOULBURN—You don't know of whom that body
con4stn.

sir H. HALL knew that the right hon. gentleman him-
self was one. (Hear.) Ile did not believe that the alleged
errors were errors of the printer.
Mr. GOULIIVIEN said there was only one bishop on
that committee, iu compliance with the act under which it
was constituted.

Mr. AGLIONBY thought the Church Estates Commis-
sioner; ought to be entirely unfettered by rules previously
laid down, and would, therefore, expunge the clause alto-
gether.
Mr.E.DENISON also thought the clause unnecessary, and
if so, it might be inconvenit nt.
Alter a few words from Mr. RICE, Mr. Got:Locum, and
Mr. NEWDEG ATE,.
. . .

Mr. CAY LEY thought the clause ought to be struck out.
Mr. ANSTEY said the clause was only permissive,
enabling the commissioners to make general rules if they
thought lit to do so. Ile considered that the clause, as
it originally stood, was extremely dangerous. Was this
a slip of the printer, or had not the alteration been
forced on the Solicitor-Gimeral by the opposition on both
sides of the house ? How could the words, " Ecclesiastical.
Coma 'oilers for England," have got in instead of
" Church Estates Cotamissioners ?" No doubt these words
lord been in the original draft of the bill. They had been
in the bill as it passed through the House of Lords. (Rear,
hear.) The alteration would be most unacceptable to those
who were promoting this bill; and he had no doubt the
clause would ultimately he withdrawn.
.......

The SOLICITOItthINERAL said he did not take the
blame of the error on himself, nor did he attribute it to
the printer of the House of Commons, as the bill had come
down to them from the other house in its present form. It
was clear, from the preceding clauses, that the Church
Estates Commis-ioncrs were meant. The lion. gentleman
should not he disappointed in his prophecy. He had no ob-
jection to accept the amendment of the hon. member for
Portsmouth with some verbal amendments. Ile thought it
would give a better security than the clause.
Sir 11. HALL said that, had he known that it was the
intention of the government to withdraw the clause, he
would have taken every means in his power to prevent the
house going into committee on the bill. The house had
been d, toyed into passing the bill so far. This clause pro-
vided the only security to the lessee. lie thought it would
be better to report progress.
After a few words from Mr. E. DENISON and Mr.

The hou.e divided, as it was understood. on an amend-
ment mowed by Sir H. HALL, that the words "church es-
tates commissioners" be substituted for " ecclesiastical cona-

usissioners."
For the amendment
Against it 5l-43
On the interpretation Claus_,
Mr. A. SMITII suggested that the words "ecclesiastical
commissioners " should he used.
The SOLICITOIt-tiIiNERAL thought the addition
unnecessary.
After short discussion, the committee divided—
For the amendment
Against it 33-19
On the gallery being reopened,
The SOLICITOR-OF:NY:HAL proposed the addition of
the words, " Dean and Canon, of Christ Church, Oxford."
The clause was agreed to with this amendment.
The interpretation clause was nest agreed to.
Mr. 11. CARTER moved a new clause, rendering it ne-
cessary fur the commissioners to make an annual report to
the Secretary of State, and that such report should be laid
before parliament on or before the lot March.

Agreed to, ......
Mr. CAYLEY moved a clause, limiting the duration of
the act to three years from tho end of the present session.
Agreed to.
Sir B. lIALL moved a clause, rendering it unlawful fur
an ecclesiastical corporation, sole or aggregate, to renew any
lease without the consent of the estate commissioners.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to it, and it was
negatived without a division.
The preamble was agreed to, and the house resumed.

KOSSUTH AND HIS COMPANIONS.
Lord D. STUART moved for an address for the list of
any addresses to her Majesty, or memorials to the Foreign
Office, or petitions to the house of Commons, on the sub-
ject of the liberation of Louis Kossuth and his compatriots,
with the names of the places from which addressed, and
the numbers of signatures attached to each of them, stating
also when signed by a chairman on behalf of a meeting.
The noble lord said that Turkey had no right to keep these
men in confinement. No person acquainted with the
affairs of the East would believe that that imprisonment
I would not have been put an end to before
if the noble lord had used his influence. Ile did not say that
was his opinion, but such an opinion had got abroad. lie
hoped, however, that the influence of his noble friend
would prevail over that of Austria.
Viscount PALMERSTON had no intention of offering
any opposition to the motion of his noble friend. He should
not have thought the Turkish government would have
considered it right or necessary to detain these persons so
long, when at the same time assurances of the most
complete protection of them had been received
front officers high iu the Turkish service. The
house well knew the circumstances which had
led the Turkish government to swerve from the engagement
that had been entered into by their own officers, and the
efforts that had been made by the French and English go-
vernments to support Turkey in an independent course.

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Timm: is more of vitality iu the monarchical tra-
ditions of the French republic than of the English
monarchy. In England our monarch and peers sur-
vive, but they have adopted much of the tone and
deportment of the boorycoWe. In France, the mo-
narch and his peers have been swept away, but the
n'yeoisie delights to dress itself especially on holi-
days, in their cast clothes. In England, the festivi-
ties arising out of the Industrial Exhibit' have had
a sober, citizen exterior. Our continental visitors
were particularly struck with the non-appearance of
soldiers at the inauguration of the Crystal Palace ;
and the hospitality extended to the foreign commis-
sioners has been mainly expetiented by them in ho-
tels and places of civic resort. At the return ban-
quet given at Paris a royal garden was resuscitated
in the rime de Lois: the guests were de-
lighted with a private representation of a comedy of
Mot.mts:; and the
garde inibiicirde shown forth in
all the glory of brass helmets.
The difference is greater in appearance than in
reality. The laws, the courts of justice, the defen-
sive establishments, the administrative machinery
both of Prance and England, have been inherited
from monarchies. But in both countries the citizen
or coonomer class have come into possession of politi-
oil power, and have reconstructed new social edifices
out of these fragments of older constitutions. The
political fabrics of France and England mar not un-
aptly be compared to those less tirmal moilern plea-
sure gardens laid out on the sites of the stiff gar-
dens of our ancestors, which owe no small part of
their peculiar charm to the skilful incorporation of
remnants of old hedgerows, mounds, and groves.
Accident has had its share in determining, what was
to be retained and what cast away; and twine the
diversity in constitutions framed out of pretty uearly
the same materials.

Too much importance cannot be attributed to the
interchange of hospitality which has this yrar taken
place between the French and English nations. hi
these two alone of the great European slates the
popular power has finally triumphed. Monarchy
and aristoeraey, by a wise and timely comprotuise
in England, have been admitted to the rights of citi-
zenship ; monarchy and aristocracy, by insaac cling-
ing to outworn pretensions, have been swot from
France. Our English free institutions have been
consolidated, and work with comparative regularity
and noiselessness ; those of France are still in the
period of ebullition. But, both in France and Eng-
land, the people have triumphed. Iletimfortb,
if there is to be legal and ordeily govern-
ment in these two countries, it must be
exercised by administrators deriving their autho-
rity from the people, for the !amide. A solemn
duty devolves on the enumeipated natium, to show to
those parts of Europe vet in bondage bow tranquil,
how prosperous, how 'happy, fire institutions can
make a people; and by their peaceful yet fearless
attitude to deter the spoiler from laying his hands
upon the weaker constitutional stalks around them.
So long as amictrale relations and a rrfret under-
' standing exist between Fence mid England, the
despots of the north-east may cast angry and repin-
ing glances at the progress of constitutional govern-
ment in other counties, but will not dare to attempt
forcibly to arrest it.

Lora GIUNVILLE, in his graceful and genial
oration at the Hotel de Vile, skilfully exposed
to view the strong yet delicate hands by which
the year of the Industrial Exhibition has bcr tt draw.
ing Frenchmen and Englishmen into a mere chi,
unity. That was the theme of the hour, and deli-
: cacy forbade the noble lord to diverge into topics
that might accidentally touch one jarring note. But
if Frenclunen will dispassionately reflect, they cannot
I but admit that the sympathies of the English nation
have been unequivocally enlisted in behalf of the
liberties of France, during the whole of the proba•
tionary period which has elapsed since Pen Few
Englishmen, indeed, have it in their power taste
mEnogrelishthmanon,thleikme mere
meoxrttumizatlisreoutia French
sexy exaffrilursai
objects through the medium of their own hangs
and prepossessions; Englisluncn may, ther6ire, as
the apprehension of Frenchmen, often have ajudged
I erroneously of parties and movements in trance;
but English sympathy with and for Francs: has not
been the less sincere and ardent because it, exprey
. sion has at times been qualified by the perssual
peculiarities of JOHN BULL.
With many characteristic differences, the French
and English people have much iu common. Warlike
displays like those with which the guests of the
municipality of Paris are being entertained, would
attract crowds in England too, but would be re-
Iguided with a fainter interest than in France: But
in their colossal industrial efforts, their scientific
pursuits, their voyages of commerce mid discovery,
their literary habits, English and Frenchmen have
many themes iu common; and the more intimately
they associate, and interchange ideas on these
topics, the more they will CUM to regard each
other as friends. And cultivation of national amity

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After a few words from WESTIIEAD, Laudon?