The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-13 00:00:00

BOROUGH PETTY BEBSIONS.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL obtained to bring
in a bill for the holding of petty sessions in boroughs, and for
providing places for the holding of such pttty sessions in
counties and boroughs.
SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE HUSH POOR LAW.

Sir W. SOMERVILLE moved the addition of the fol-
lowing members to this committee :—The Earl of Lincoln,
Sir L. O'Brien, Mr. Moore, Mr. Bright, and Mr. Grace.
Capt TAYLOR said there wu too large a proportion of
borough members. He objected in particular to the name
of Mr. Bright, and suggested in lieu of that hon. member
the appointment of Sir John Walsh.
Mr. M. GIBSON defended the appointment of Mr.
Bright, and said that Manchester hod a greater interest than
might be supposed in the enactment or good poor laws for'
Ireland ; for much of the distress which prevailed there was
attributable to influx of Irish paupers.
Sir W. VEItNER said that after what had taken place, it
was not his iutentirm to offer any opposition to toe composi-
tion of the committee, although he might have taken excep-
tion at the way in which Ulster was represented on it.
(Hear, hear.) The addition of members to those originally
proposed was a change, bat he did not consider it an im-
provement,
Lord C. HAMILTON had no objection to the name of the
hon. member for Manchester, whose services he hod no
doubt would be very valuable. But he considered that there
was too great a preponderance of English borough members,
and that the counties were not fairly represented, there being
seven borough members out of nine. (Hear, hear.) There-
fore, whatever change was made, he hoped it would be in
favour of an English county representative. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. MAIILB said that the hon. member opposite bad
stated that be objected to the hon. member for Manchester,
because, after watching his conduct as a member of another
committee, be felt that he could have no confidence in the
conduct he would pursue on the present one. That observa-
tion could only refer to the Dublin election committee. Now
this was the lint occasion that the conduct of soy hou. mem-
ber who sat on an election committee, Aloe he
had had the
honour of being chairman of the select committee, (had been
called in question. This was a scrim charge, when it was
recollected that the members of election committees did not
proceed to discharge their duties till they were sworn on
oath, or made affirmation, that they would discharge them
fairly and uprightly. (Hear, hear.) If the honourable
member for Manchester was guilty of the charge of
violating his affirmation, this was not the proper time to
bring that water forward ; it should have Seen done at the
time that the violation complained of was committed.
(Hear.) Bat so far from that being the ease, he believed
that upon almost every particular question the decision of
the committee had been unanamows. The hon. member for
Manchester was plated upon that committee by the unani-
mous voice of the committee of selection, end he believed
that he was as incapable of doing anything contrary to his
affirmation as any member in a similar committee who
had taken an oath. (Cheers.)
Mr. BATESON was afraid that this committee would be
coneiderede mere mockery and delitsioa for the people of
Ireland. (Hoar.) It would be looked upon as an attempt
to bolster op the prevent system, when it wee

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amend the matter by adding the name of the lea,
foe Mauhester. If that bon. gentleman am.
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seised say kaowsedge of Irish affairs. But if he had, it wade
others.
Sir G. GREY wished to make one remark as an *oew
tics which had Men made by the bon. gentlemen. R*.seakdi
suangst his reasons for objrctiog to the use gt
hes. member for Manehester that he heard it whispered the body body to whom that hon. member belonged weregelee e,
invest a large sum of money in Irish land. He hopes-
be so. (Cheers.) That theald be one great rseseee,
placing him upon the committee. He thought that to
people of Ireland, end of England too, owed the km. ego.
times and his friends a deep &It of Re
for what they had done for Ireland, and every Iridium, el.
stead of depreciating should speak of them with thy
gratitude and respect to which their services entitled thsee,
(Lo chests )
Mr. BATESON sppealed to the house whether be
bed
said one word disparaging to the society of friends, foe what
he had the highest respect. (Hear. heir,)
Mr. HENRY said that ha proposed the hon. member ht
Manchester as a member of the committee beaus at Ye
clue of last session he made a speech on the condition et
Ireland which displayed comprehensive views.
Mr. SCULLY said the Irish agricultural lateral, ope.
daily in the western districts, should be (unbar rep s.
seated before the appointment of ancther English austher.
Col. DUNNE said that, without dispnragem, ut to ye
hon. member for Manchester,whose ability and general Mao
to serve on the committee he fully admitted, he agreed trek
the hon. member who had just spoken that the Irish eget,
callersl interest demanded the first consideration.
Mr. HUME thought that hon. members should nolfogy
that the question of poor law in Ireland was, is
English one. (Her, hear.) The very vote whiohrettteeo'
had agreed to that night proved that it was. It would ask
therefore, be satisfactory to England if the committee ye
confined to Irish members. Th ugh he had ea la eto
house ter many years, he had never before heard mood
motives attributed to any bon. member—(hear, rk:rne,
he most say it would have been better if the hon.
from whom this charge bad proceeded had made tt at them
time to which be had referred. If personal **ethos were
to be Om urged, nothing but noplcasantness waste bees, I
petted in future.
Mr. REYNOLDS would not have taken say poi fo
ty
debate bad be not
_perceived that it was asmeniag a ay
sabot aspect. (Laughter.) There appeared to him Is
have been a military attack made on a Reallgate
belonging to the Society of Friends. (Renewed laegyo.)
Already had that gentleman been attacked by three lelsisi
and &captain. (Bunts of laughter.) There was Ws boe,
and gallant friend the member fur Portarlington' a Wald
(Col. Dunne); the hon. and gallant member for the meetly
of Dublin, ditto (Mr. Taylor); the hon. and (*last 111 A.
ber for Armagh, ditto (Col. Verner); and the hem red
gallant nr =her for the county of Londonderry, newly
(Mr. Unoca)—
Mr. BATESON—I am no captain.
Mr. REYNOLDS believed that although the hen an*
her had parted with his military rank, it still beltogy y
him. (Great laughter.) It had been said, " Oats a plea,
for ever a priest ;"—once a lieutenant, tor ever a capita,
(Much laughter.) He wo •Id not, therefore, willingly go
the hon. member of a title to which he had still a elesettek
Now, it was quite evident that the attack which had bey
made on the hon. member for Manchester was prepared;
the reading of the contract from " Hansard " proved tint
was not the result of the impulse of the mown., bee ye
been well concocted. He would not say it had ban ar
caned at a eub which should be nameless ; but he ms
afraid that the charge made against the hon. member ht
Manchester might in one sense be attributed to hienzelf.lthe
not because the hon. member was unfit to discharge the data
which would be imposed on him that the kon gentians
was objected to. It was because he had happened to sit et
his (Mr. Reynold,es) consmires. The lumesanga
member for Manchester was innocent of the steep
brought against them ; but he happened nut to insomnia
(Mr. Reynolds) out and Mr. Gregory in; thrre(ors he us
totally unfit to be upon this poor law committee. (" Her,
hear,' and laughter.) Now he knew something about b
fellow countrymen, and he ceuld sa'ely won the boa
that amongst the 553 British members composing it thee
WAS Rot cue man so popular in Ireland as ie
the hon. member for Manchester. (Cries of " Oh, all
Notwithstanding that e=lunation, he would repeat tie*
sullen. The hon. member was relprded in belted mtb
friend of the poor, and as a man pleading for pop*
liberty. No doubt he had dealt out some bard
blows against landlords; but would any man say the
some landlords did nit deserve them? (Hess, bear.) h
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useful was that to which the hon. member blonged.
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Lord BERNARD regretted that the government had net
introduced a measure instead of nominating a committee.
The house then divided—
For the motion
Against it 74-65
ARMY AND ORDNANCE.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER proposal
that the following members should form the select committee
on the army and ordnance :—Lord Seymour. Mr. Fos Mesh,
Mr. Hume Marquis of Granby, Mr. Wal.er, Sir Win
Molesworth, Lord Charles Wellee'sy, Sir James Grebes,
Mr. William Miles, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Sidney Herbert, Mr.
John Greene, Mr. Edward Ellice, Mr. Vernon Smith, sai
Mr. Backe*

Mr. B. OSBORNE was proceeding to propose the ad&
Lion of Gen. Sir Be levy Evans, Lord SilLey, and Col.
Dunne, when
The SPRAYER informed the hon. member that his note
would not allow him t do so before the following day.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said, his object was to hare on lb
committee some gentleman connected with the army, ell
would be able to give the necessary information.
Col. PEEL complained that the list did not jack& the
name of any gentleman connected with the ordnance, sai
suggested that Capt. Boldero should be added to theta♦
mines, that hen. member having prepared the caw.
I estimate. for four years.
Capt. BOLDERO concurred in the nechoity of he*
the ordnance perfectly represented, more particularly r tm
I bon. members, who were the ornaments of the Msnahels!
school, bad pledged themselves to reduce the estimate',
possible, as low as rho% of 1835. He suggested that tbs
clerk of the ordnance (Col. Anson) should be added 0) lb
axon* tee. _ .

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER sald
was thought advisable last year not to overload the ecandON
with members belonging to the different services: blab
should not object to the addition of the Clerk to the Orissa
when the Ordnance estimates came on fur inveatigatioa.
After a short conversation, the motion was agteed to.
The house adjourned at 6 minutes put 2.