The Express.
London, England, 1847-11-08 00:00:00

Vbe Court.

WINDSOR, SUNDAY.—Yesterday the Queen and
Prince Albert took their usual early walk.—The Prince of
Wales, Prince Alfred, the Princess Royal, the Princess
Alice, and the Princess Helena, walked and rode out on
ponies. In the afternoon the Princess Royal, accompanied
by the Dowager Lady Lyttelton, drove in a pony carriage to
Frogmore-house.
Prince Albert. attended by Hon. Captain A. H.
Gordon, enjoyed the sport of shooting yesterday furenooa.
The Royal Family took walking and pony exercise
this morning in the grounds adjacent to the Castle. This
morning the Queen and Prince Albert, the Duchess of Kent.
the ladies and gentlemen of the court, and the domestic
household, attended divine service in the private chapel of
the Castle, The Hon. and Rev. C. L,.Courtenay officiated.
' Invitations were issued from the Lord Chamber•
Ilia's office on Saturday lot for a large party at Windsor
Castle to-morrow, in celebration of the birthday of the
Prince of Wales. The guests of her Majesty assemble at the
Castle to-day and remain till Wednesday.

His Excellency Suleiman Pacha, ambassador from
the Sublime Porte at Paris, strived at the Turkish Embassy
in Bryanstoneugaare on Friday last, accompanied by his
secretaries, Remsi Effendi and Mons. Antoine Fingher. Ilia
excellency purposes remaining a few weeks in England.
General Rolt had an interview with Sir G. Grey on
Saturday at the Romuollice.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer and Lady Mary
Wood left town on Saturday for llickleton-hall, Yorkshire.
Despatches were sent off on Saturday evening from
the Colonial-office for the Governor of Gibraltar.

AN EXPERIMENTAL TRIAL OF A NENTLY-PATENTED
SyrAw.ENotten was made on Saturday at Deptford. A per-
fect rotary engine has long been a desideratum amongst
those who use steam as a moving power. The penultimate
emulator of Archimedes was the Earl of Duadonald, whose
experiments excited with justice the attention and applause
of the engineering world, although hie invention still fell short
of the requisite perfection, that, namely, of obtaining a move-
ment which offered no dead point. It is creditable to the
clam to which his lordship belongs that another member of
it should have stepped forward and again challenged public
attention upon this subject, in the person of the Hon. Capt.
Fitzmaurice, who, if he be not the originator, is at least the
patron, promoter, and patentee of a rotary engine which
we shall endeavour to describe, and the inventor
of which, we are informed, is Mr. Elijah Gallo-
way, whose name, as a practical engineer, is suffi-
ciently known. To those who are familiar with the
construction of the various descriptions of steam-engines
at present in use it is unnecessary to do more than to advert
to the difficulty, hitherto deemed insurmountable, which is
offered in the single and double cranks now in vogue. The
oscillating and the revolving cylinders have failed in over-
coming the dead pull which occurs at that part of the circle
described where the crank makes its ascent to the upper
segment, and the consequence is a loss of power equal in the
most favourable engines to 1-6th of the whole, and in others
of from 25ths to 1-3rd. This will at once render it apparent
to the non-scientific reader that the invention of a cylinder
which should describe a circle without offering any point at
which this "dead pull" was experienced would be the
means of saving time, fuel, and space, each of which elements
may be resolved into the simple one of £ s. d. Captain
Fitzmaurice claims for the invention of which he
and Mr. Galloway arc the patentees and constructors the
merit of having at length conquered the difficulty ;
and the following description will probably convey some idea
of the manner in which this is effected, although from the
absence of diagrams it is difficult to render the matter clear
The cylinder of 'he engine consists of two parts—one, the
steam chamber, the other the revolver. The steam-chamber
is divided into five equal segments of the circle described by
the cylinder, each of which is provided with an inductive
and an eductive valve. The revolver consists of a solid mass
of case hardened iron, cast in a form to correspond with the
steam.chamber, the two forming an air and ream tight
cylinder when in action. The five segments of the revolver
fit into the corresponding segments of the steam-chamber,
revolving within them, and thus, by alternately admitting
and abutting off the steam through the inductive and educ-
tive valves, • rotary motion is produced, and an eccentric c. rcle

is described by the revolvers, the elements of which must be
sought in the sum of the circles described by this
five segments within the cylinder. Thus at one period of the
revolution the inductive valve opens, and the steam rushee
in; when having performed its work, the other half of the
revolution permits it to escape by the eductor, and in this
manner the equilibrium of rotary motion is maintained at a
speed of from 300 to 1,000 revolutions per minute, these of
course being regulated by the amount of resistance offered
by the beam or other lever worked by the piston. The steam
rushes direct from the feeding-pipe into the chamber, and
its power is thus rendered immediately applicable at the
force indicated by the index to the boiler. The advantages
which this engine offer ►bove those Low in use will
suggest themselves to all engineers. l'i.ey resolve them-
selves into economy of apace, fuel, and moving power,
besides promising to enable steam to be used in
situations and under circumstances where it is now
precluded from being called into action. It is understood
that Captain Fiternaurice has received instructions from
Lord John Hay to send in an estimate for fitting the Minx,
a war vessel, with one of these rotary engines for experi-
mental purposes, to be used as an auxiliary motor. The
Minx measures 300 tons, and it is estimated that the rotary
engine will be lighter by 50 tons than the engines of qua
power to that about to be employed, which is 50-horse.
The dimensions of the cylinder of an engine of this power
will not exceed 31 inches by 16 inches in diameter. The
revolver will he attached without any intermediate cranks
or levers to the screw propeller, whereby the power will not
be in any degree wasted. The experiment on Saturday
satisfied the veoters to Mr. Tyrrel's factory at Deptford that
in so far as a tour-horse power model could ri present the
invention its principle was sound and the application of it
successful

ACCIDENT WITH FInE ARMS,—An accident of a
fearful character happened on Friday evening to a lad named
William Hamiltoa, aged about fourteen years. On the
night of Guy Fawkes's-day he and some other Iris had assem-
bled at the back of his father's house, in order to celebrate
that anniversary with fire works. They had discharged a
considerable number of them when young Hamilton procured
a gun, and severed times let it off. Unfortunately, from too
large a charge, it at last exploded, and a piece struck him
on the temple. He was knocked down, and his head fright.
fully cut. As soon as possible he was conveyed to the West-
minster Hospital, when Mr. Phillips, the principal surgeon,
was sent for, who found a most extensive frac'ure of the
skull, and portions of bone were hanging about, exposing
the brain. Everything that was possible was done for him,
but not the slightest hopes are entertained of his recovery.
INQUESTS, SATURDAY.—DEATH Of A Yount;
WOMAN.—At the Black Horse, Kingsland-road, at
the body of a young female unknown. The deceased was
apparently about 20 years of age.—Mr. Frederick Wed..
bore, surgeon, of 10.0, High-street, Shoreditch, said he was
called to see deceased about half-past 11 o'clock on Thursday
night, at the Railway Coffee-house. She had then just es-
pired. His assistant, who was a qualified medical man, had
seen her about 20 minutes previously ; at that time deceased
was vomiting very much, bet although almoet in a state of
collapse she was still sensible. She complaint dof severe
pain in her stomach and aide. A cordial stimulant was ad-
ministered to her, but it had no effect, and she died a few
minutes before witness arrived. Witness had since made a
poet mortem examination of the body. He was of opinion
that death arose from a fatal syncope caused by the sedative
influence of the liquors the deceased had partekan of before
death. The vomiting hadno doubt stopped the hearts action,
and from the deceased's weak state she had not strength to
recover herself There were no marks of violence on the body,
and witness had no doubt death arose from natural causes.—
George Brand, waiter at the Railway Coffee-house, said de-
ceased came to his master's house in campsny with a gen-
tleman about clove n o'clock on Thursday night. They en-
gaged a bed, and the female, who appeared fatigued, asked
fir a candle almost immediately. The gentleman followed
her upstairs in about • quarter of an hour. About five
minutes after the gentleman asked witness to send fur a doc-
tor directly, an the young woman wes very iIL The deceased
was in bed at this time, and vomiting very much. Mr.
Wildbore's assistant was sent for, and he administered a pill
and draught, ,and tken went away.-11r. George Brown
was a railway contractor, and resided at Lynn, in Norfolk.
He met deceased on Thursday evening, near Lowlonthridge,
and accompanied her to several places, where they had re-
freshments,'e nd eventually to the railway Coffee-House,n here
she died.—Police-constable G 47, proved having searched
the deceased. She had no money in her pock,* nor
anything calculated to lead to her identity. Ile bed heard
that she was known in the Borough.—The jury re-
turned a verdict of " Beath from natural causes."—
ALLTa.ED NEGLECT OC A MEDICAL UNION OCCICE/L—Be-
fore Mr. Baker, at the Bricklayer'-army, Mile end Old
Town, on view of the body of Thomas Herrington, aged 12.
—The mother rid that about five weeks ago she removed
from St. George's-in-the-Hest, where deceased had been at-
tended by Mr. Watt, medical officer of the parish, for scarlet
fever and hoofing cough. He recovered from the former.
After she came to reside in Thomas-street, she applied to
Mr. Watt, who directed her to go to the medical officer of
the union she was residing in. She did not do so, so de-
ceased got better, till Saturday last, when she became
alarmed at his appearance. She obtained on that morning
an order from the relieving overseer for the attend-
ance of the surgeon of the union, Mr. Howlett.
At eleven o'clock she sew his assistant, and acquainted
him with the urgency of the case. As no one came she
went again at five o'clock, when the assistant gave her some
medicine, and directed her to come again at nine o'clock.
She administered the medicine, and about meta o'clock her
child died.—Several of the jury observed that there appeared
to be some neglect, ewe they were of opinion that the inquiry
ought to be adjourned.—The Coroner remarked that it was
very possible that there was no intentional neglect, and that
Mr. Hewlett was fully engaged in his medical duties.—The
Foreman slid had there been • sufficient number of medical
offices*, and properly remunerated, the deceased might have
received assistance. He thought that they might embody in
their verdict that the opinion of the jury was to that effect.
—Verdict, "That the deceased died a natural death, and
the jury are of opinion that a liberal compensation should be
afforded to a competent number of medical officers, whose
duties are to attend to the poor."

MEETING AT THE ROYAL BANK, LIVER-

POOL.

On Saturday last the adjourned meeting of pro-
prietors was held at the Royal Bank, Liverpool, to receive
the report of the committee which had been appointed to
investigate the affairs of the bank.—On the motion of Mr.
Samuel Holme reporters were admitted.—Mr. Josiss Booker
occupied the chair, and in opening the proceedings, preliminary
to reading the report, stated that the o'ticc• for which they
bad met was to decide whether the bank should be resusci-
tated, or whether all the accounts should he closed at once,
The delay which had resulted from the postponement of this
very momentous question from last Saturday had enabled
the committee to devote for a whole week their undivided
attention to the aff.tirs of the bank, and that their rxertions
had been in some measure beneficial was evident in the re-
port which they would then present.—The following report
was then read :
. . .

.
The first step taken by the committee was to reexamine the
0CC0111144 of the bank, and they hare the satisfaction of stating that
after the necessary adjustment, transfer of debts and credit, the
amount of liability will be considerably reduced. Your coomuttee
have also the gratification of stating that the amount of early anal.
able assets bad been mach underated in the former repast
It will be seen that in the coarse thus taken, the Ma.
mince have done nothing but what would be availatie Or
any future proceedings. They are alike, however, ty
Imprewed with the importance of re.openiog the honk ; and.
by the conclusion before stated, a deputation of your committee pro-
ceeded to London with a view of ascertaining whether they could
make any arrangement for that purpose. The deputation, being much
restricted for time, were unable to bring the 'natter in quntioa,
they wished, under consideration in a quarter where they bad ream
to believe that their proposition4titzttemfavourably mite, Pained; lad,
with the approbation of the the committee will Unman
diately follow up that which lox been left incomplete. Your com-
mittee are now belly engaged in a revisal of the deed of settlement
of the bank, with the object of placing the control and governments(
the astablidiment on • footing of security to the proprietor., a men
sure of great importance in any project for revivinc the tank. la
conclusion, your committee recommend that • further attempt
be made to revive the bank ; and, with this object, that power
be taken to create 4,000 shares of 1007. each, the subenber
to have preference to llw extent of 7 per cent. per annum, to take
liability only on transactions of the tank from the date of renpromg,
and subject to the revision of the deed of settlement. as recommended,
such shares to be first offered to the present shareholders, and to be
transferable as roan as paid up. Payment to be made on the 20th of
January, and to shear interest from the day of pm-nicht. —Jonas
Boost., Chairman. Liverpool, oth Nor., 1447.
The CHAIRMAN, in explanation, said that those gen-
tlemen who put down their names for preference shares
would supersede the call, and that the money already
paid woul.l go so • moiety in payment of the preference
shares. The bonus shares had been cancelled, and the
money paid for bonus would be carried to the credit of
those taking preference on account of payment. If the
preference shares were declined, then the call would
have to be paid. Gentlemen might take their choice.
Mr. Coo re it Suppose • person chose to take preference
share*, but who had already paid up the bonus of 50/.—The
CHAIR/4111N That would go in part of the call.
The CHAIRMAN, after replying to several other questions,
went on to say that the report had been most carefully
drawn up, and, after the most mature consideration, the con-
clusion to which he had come Wia that, under exi,tins cir-
cumstances, the recommendation made was the very best to
promote their interests. (Cheers.) He was cure that that
report would recommend itself to every one of the intelligent
proprietors present, and he could not refrain on the present
occasion from expo cuing the gratification which the com-
mittee had experienced at the dignified forbearance mani-
fested at the meeting last week. He trusted that a similar
tone would pervade the adjourned meeting, for he was
certain that nothing would more tend to enable the
committee to carry out the intentions of the great body
of the constituency, and by restoring the bank to its
former position, to sustain the high character of
the merchants of Liverpool. (Cheers.) If there should
be any person then present so far alarmed as to be ready to
sacrifice his property to get rid of his liability, he would "I
to that person, " Cease your alarm—struggle with your diffi-
culties like a man, and do not turn your back on them like •
coward." (Applause.) It was true that they could boast of
one of the wealthiest proprietaries in her Majesty's domi-
nions; but it was also undoubted that amongst them there
were many individuals whose property would be very seri-
ously injured should a winding up of the concerns of the
bank be inevitable. Ile would speak out, however—they
had no cause whatever to be alarmed. (Cheers.) Walt
fresh tackle and good management, with the blessing of
Providence, the Royal Bank would weather the storm, and
cast her anchor in a harbour of safety. There were two
courses before them, and it was for them to decide which
they would adopt; one is by restoration—which could only
be secured by their united efforts—and the other was by
liquidation. If they determined upon the latter, let them
take a oompreheusive view of their interests, and lot a fixed
period be named. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. S. Hotaie had had the honour, at the preceding
meeting, of moving that there be a postponement of the

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.60 d the liquidation of the bank; and he thought
*°e"--lst the a meeting would agree with bins that the most be-
di
..ficig result had arisen from that delay. He agreed with
the chairmen that the temper and forbearance which had
-
hou •displayed by the meeting on the last occasion- mimed-
sow as rust occasion was--wu calculated to assure every
isdividual, whether depositors or otherwise, that, bound up,
so the bank was, with the credit and prosperity of. Liver-
pool
e s tioa would be wanting to enable the bask to
jPrep (Cheers.) It was his conviction that in
o.l"'se- 'lnt calamitous state of the public at large, nos
id tend more to restore public confidence than
reiuum‘'ption of
.buUnees by
.the bank. He thought
highly destrabm that, an the proceedings they
;ie. now about to take, some efforts should be
mu to establish the concern for the future upon a far
gine basis, and upon more sound principles, that the cone.
awe ef their constituency and the proprietors might here-
ma he implicitly vested in their management. He rejoiced
ai begrOgt two things in the report ; first, that their
liabili-
been considerably reduced, which was as much as
,-;-isv that a larger sum was Law in the possession of the
took thin at their last meeting ; std, secondly, that the
urle available assets had been much under-rated—that a
tag m, much larger than they had any reason to
"., wouldshortly flow into their coffers, and thus
ishehpate,
ioshie them to resume business. Ho cordially agreed in
the s'en of the deed of settlement ; he thought that
was decidedly neeevary. Connected, as he was, with
the great tradesman body of Liverpool, he did not
hesitate to say. on the part of his fellow-towns-
goe that it was absolutely indispensable that the basis
of .
the 00. rations of the bank should be extended, and
that reason he was glad that they had come to the
etiolation of issuing shares of 1001. each—the more extended
the basis, the firmer would be the ave. Ile had attended
the other day the public meeting of the depositors, and, as he
had paid s compliment to the meeting of the proprietors last
geak, he was bound also to speak of the great feeling initi-
ated by every individual at the Clarendon-rooms. The de-
positors had determined to demand an interest of six per
tent., and such interest, he the ught, was justly due to them.
They had trusted their money to the bank, and some of them
were now suffi ring, undoubtedly, severe distress. Mr. Aid.
Thompson was not then present, but he (Mr. Holme) might
observe, in reference to the motion tendered at the last
memg by that honourable gentleman, that if those sug-
gestions hid been adopted, the consequences would haws
seen meat calamitous. (Hear.) Their position, even is
week, hail improved; and he had contident hopes that in a
short time, the committee would be enabled to come to a con-
clusion beueficial to the town, and satisfactory to all parties.
(Hear.) Mr. Holme concluded by moving the adoption of
the report.
Mr. A. F. Jocea, after some discursive observations, re-
ferring to the opinion of Mr. Locke, M.P., touching the
/Tadate of publicity in all great concerns like Imolai., se-
Nailed the motion.
Mr. JOSEPH Coors* would not have troubled the meet-
at but he not thought it incumbent on him to reply to
one or two remarks of Mr. Samuel Holme. That stentleman
had east some reflections oa Mr. Alderman Thompson and
himself (Mr. Cooper).
Mr. S. Motifs addressing the meeting amidst loud cries of
s se, no," denied the imputation in toto. lie had wished to
be mderstood In using only that if the decision recom-
mended by the hoe aldermen had been come to, it would
base been most unwise.
Mr. COOPER resumed. He had, however, to justify him•
Wand his conduct on the occasion referred to. When he
lad found out account showing that 540,0001. had bun lent
tome party, and that 1,500,0001., some on certain assets,
naming to the bank, it had struck him the, in justice to
the public, to say nothing of their own individual interests,
the best course would hove been to proceed at once to a
ligaidatton. (Hear.) In supporting Alderman Thompson
in that suecestion, it had never been his intention, in that
no, to oppose any obstacle to the eventual resuscitation
of the bank. (Iliac.) Their duty had been to take the
best mode of raising funds, with a view of returniug to
depositors their money ,• their duty at the time time
was to do all they could to restore the bank; but there
mold be no doubt which object, if they were not iden-
tical, ought to have been the primary one. On the
whole, he did not disapprove of what had been done,
and he felt the greatest pleasure in supporting the rooms.
'semiotic's of the committee. There had certainly been
hitherto tao much secrecy about the bank, and the share-
holders for the future would have a right to expect the
strictest investigation into the manner in which their affairs
were managed and their money disposed of. It was now,
indeed, quite palpable, and so far their past management had
been impeached, that their assets, being in few hands, and
shot up in a small space, were in much greater danger then
if they had been sc ittered over a larger surface.—The motion
was then put, and the resolution was unanimously adopted.
Mr. Coors* again presented himself, and moved a mond
resolution, intimating the confidence which the meeting re.
posed in those seven gentlemen who had so ably attended to
their interests, and requesting them, in conjunction with the
directors to continue their labours, with a view to the re-
cpcning of the bank at an early day. Cheers.)
Mr. E. BURY briefly seconded the motion.
Mr. J. Ton* then rose and said that he agreed most en-
tirely with Mr. S. Holme in the view which that gentleman
took of the practicability and expediency of resuscitating
the bank. What was owing to the bank it was apparent
would be the more readily paid up if it were known that in-
stead of winding up they would go on ; and the bank conse-
quently would, for this reason, occupy a much better posi-
tion. In point of fact it would he as 200 to 500; if they
dosed, they would lose 300—if they kept up, they would lose
rely the original sum. Then, as to their accounts of
1,500,0001, there was no doubt that the money would
he more easily realised if the bank were enabled to con-
tinue the facilities of accommodation. (Hear.) These

two reasons ought to be sufficient ; but there was a third,
sod that was, the interest which the commercial community
of Liverpool had in the decision to which they might come.
That commercial community, greatly indebted to the Royal
Beak, were now suffering severely from restricted back DC-
commodati,m. Three banks had already suspended pay-
ment ; and if the Royal Bank did not go on, not only would
the mischief already done he irremediable, but by annihilat-
ing all confidence, they would occasion evils still more serious.
(Hear.) Another bank unquestionably would have started ;
it was for their considemion, therefore, if it were not worth
while making some sacrifice to avoid that necessity. (Cheers.)
Bebegged to move, as an amendment to Mr. Cooper's motion,
that five parties only do comprise the committee, which was
staking arrangements for the re-opening of the hank and re-
organising its constituencies, and that Mr. Sam. Holme be one
of the number. (Hear.) Mr. Holme had spoken of the benefit
which the bank would derive from an extension of the basis
of their operations, that is. by calling in tradesmen to their
twistance as holders of 1001, shares, and no one could be so
it as Mr. Holme to secure their interests in this respect.
(Cheers.) The names given in by Mr. Torr were those of
Mesas,. J. Highfield, J. Booker, F. Shand, J. Bibby, and S.
Holme.—Mr. GREY seconded the amendment.

—..
A gentleman present asked if Mr. Highfield was not al-
ready • director, and if in thatease he would not beineligible ?
—The Chairman replied that Mr. Highfield was a director,
and furtermore, stated his intention that if Mr. Highfield
should be rejected from the committee, to retire also.
(Chem.) He added, that if Mr. Highfield had not been on
the committee, the committee would have been able to do
bat little. (Cheers.) Neither would be rare with the ser-
vice. of Mr. Stockdale, and he would remain in the position
Which he occupied only so long as he had access to every
document concerning the bank. He had their confidence,
and he would not abuse it, and if they had any thought of
removing his right arm, they must not be surprised if he
offered his objections before they commenced the amputa-
tion. (Cheery.)
Mr. S. Homer expressed his willingdess to serve on the
COlintittee, and to do all in his power to assist other gentle-
wen ; but he begged it to be understood that the proposition
to add his name to the list had been made entirely without
his cognisance.
After some further discussion, Mr. Tore, who declared
that his object had only been to facilitate business, withdrew
his amendment, and Mr. Cooper's motion was carried, the
same of Mr. S. Hahne, by general consent, being added.
Eight gentlemen, therefore, now form the committee.—A.
vote of thanks was then accorded to the chair, and after a

numerous list of those who, since the commencement of the
meeting, had put down their names for preference shares had
beet: read, the meeting broke up.

THE CURRENCY DEPUTATION.-MEETING

AT BIRMINGHAM.
On Friday evening another large meeting was held
in the Town-hall, at Birmingham, to receive the report of
the deputation appointed to wait upon Lord John Russell
tad present the memorial adopted:at the meeting, reported in
this paper on the 25th ult. Messrs. MvNTz, M.P., Schole-
field. M.P., Spooner, MT., and the other gentlemen tom-
peeing the deputation were present, and there were besides
t large section of the most influential manufacturers and
other inhabitants present. Mr. A. Weston was called upon
to preside, and having briefly stated the object of the
meeting,
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD rose for the purpose (he said) of report-
iris to the meeting the result of the interview with Lord
John Russell. Of this deputation, the same might be said
m of ethers who sought an audience of the minister, that
they were in pretty much the same condition as the King of
France, who marched up the hill with his army and then
marched down again. Lord John Russell bad listened to
kis colleagues and himself with great courtesy, attention,
sad urbanity, and having heard all they had to say, they
were politely bowel out. That was literally all they
had to report. They bad told Lord John Russell
that he and his colleagues were not possessed of correct in-
Imitation as to the real condition of the country—they told
him that the recent measure of relaxation of the Bank
Charter was sot sufficient to restore public confidence—they
told him further that the consequences of such a measure,
without further relaxation, would be ruinous to the working
darscs—they told him that, although it was possible that
such a rate of interest (8 per cent.) might be paid for present
liabilities, few upon such terms would engage in new tran-
wotions—and that if such were the consequences, they asked
what was to become of those who upon trade and labour
thpetuled for their daily bread ? (Cheers.) They also told
Lid John (he believed Mr. Spooner urged the argument)
that the fixing of 8 per cent. would lead to a general rate of
',text to that amount throughout the country, and the
antadrawal of all other securities except as regarded interest
equal to that value. (Hear, hear.) But it was likewise
pointed out by Mr. Mason that the distresses of the country
were cause t, not by natural, but by artificial causes. That
gentleman informed the minister that they bad recently had
io rejoice in a bountiful harvest—that the price of corn was
low—that they, the merchants of Birmingham, as he (Mr.
S.) knew, received an ;abundance of orders—but that not-
withstanding all these blessings and advantages, their trade
and condition were daily becoming more ruinous. (Hear.)
[they next alluded to the dependence which minis.ers
Placed upon irresponsible advisers, alluding especially to Mr.
hues Loyd, for whom the deputation had the highest re-

meet, but whose experience as a City banker was not sat-
dent to justify the government in acting upon his advice in
matter in which the interests of the whole trading and
manufacturing communities were bound up. (Cheers.) The
deputation cencluded by yequiriug a close and rigid inquiry
into the monetary system of the country, with a view to its
being placed upon a good and sound toundatisn for ever.
(Cheers.) lie could not recollect what Lord Johu Russell
said except upon one point. It bad been stated that in reply
to the Liverpool deputation he (the noble lord) had said that
" ke could not hole out any hope whatever." Now the fact
was that the deputation, on leaving him, stated that they
would call upon him neat day, when he replied, with regard
to the promised visit, that as to that (the next day) he could
hold out no hope. That was all he said, and he (Mr. 8.)
conceived it to be an important correction. In conclusion,
he (Mr. S.) begged to say that be believed the deputation
had done their duty, and moreover he believed that every
day would increase the difficulties of the country, until they
insisted upon and obtained a searching inquiry into the pre-
sent monetary system. The hon. gentleman next referred
to an article which appeared in that ntening's Tines, in
regard to the interview of the deputation with Lord John
Russell. The Times said that they plainly saw that the
object of the Birmingham deputation was the payment of
only 15s in the pound. Now all they (the Birmingham de-
putation) wanted was to pay 20e. in the pound, and not 255.
or even 305., as consequent on the money laws now in force.
Mr. T. C. SALT, another member of the deputation, was
the next speaker. Be said that in their interview with the
prime minister they had endeavoured to impress the lac
fully upon his miud that theyreliedupon their own strength;
and they had told him that if he persisted in his present
course, that of leaving the mass of the people to all the
horrors of that starvation which would opeeuily overtake
them, the responsibility must rest upon him. They had
put thernse:ves at the head of the people, and if the people
only stood by them, no government should exist that would
not exert itself to secure the happiness and prosperity of the
whole community. (Cheers.) For himself, he had retired
from politics lung since ; but when he saw the people about
to be crushed he was with them again, full of heart sad
hope. A state of things was going on that was producing
misery among all classes of society, and lacerating the human
heart. lie was detetmined, therefore, not to stand idly by.
(Hear.) Old as he was he felt the old spirit reviving in
him, and he trusted that it would in them, and that they
would again unite in one common cause, the cause of Chria-
Beni' y, and humanity, and justice. (Cheers.) They had told
Lord John Russell that the matter should not rest where it
was: there should be no peace for him nor for any other
minister, nor for any man, who did not unite with
them in putting a stop to the present pernicious system.
He called upon every master to stand in the gap, and protect
his workmen against the wrath and oppression of the bid-
lionists. He appealed, too, to every minister of religion to
lend his aid ; they would have real religion and not profes-
sion of it, and now was the time for every Christian man to
do a Christian duty. (Cheers.) They were actuated by no
party spirit or feeling in this matter. Whig, tory, radical,
and chartist, were united, and he defied the enemy to come
amongst them. If the ministers did not do their duty he
would worry their live. out of them. (Laughter.) lie would
respect and pay a proper deference to their high position,
but he would tell them, too, such truths as would make them
have a care how they pressed the people too far. Ad they
asked of the people was to be firm, but to be patient even
when they were thrown out of employment, for that was in-
evitable. Within the last three weeks no less than 10,000
net vies had been thrown out of employment within twenty-
five miles of Birmingham, and betore very long thou-ands
here would be plunged into misery because of the want of
means to employ labour. (Hear.) At that very time the
pawnshops were full, and when that was the case
(as was well known) the pawnbrokers would make
less advances upon the articles offered to them.
One stage of the calamity they had already passed—
the neat would be the workhouse. (Hear.) But would
they, the men of Birmingham, stand by and allow it? No
it would be guilt of the worst species if they did—guilty as
those a ere who aided in forcing on to much wretchedness
and destitution. They would not tolerate the doings of
these cold-blooded souls. They should be made to feel that
the people of England could units in a cause in which the
principles of seltanterest and Christianity were bound up.
the Queen they would appeal—in her they had coon-
dence—in her humane heart and enlightened head; they
knew that she gloried in the prosperity of her people, and he
had told Lord John Russell that if he refused to redress this
monster grievance they would go to his mistress, and tell her
that no ministry should exist who did not make the people
happy. (Cheers.) For his own pars, be had had a lung
quarrel with them, but he had forgotten the past, and now,
it they were willing to do their duty, he would do his. He
would stand by what he had said to Lord John Russell—he
would nut see his men injured, but he would do (if need be)
as he had done before—he would parade them in the streets
betore the public, and show the misery which had
been inflicted upon them. (Cheers.) They did not want
charity—they repo fisted and scorned it; but they did ask
for that which should enable them to give to honesty and
industry the reward of its labour. Those were the princi-
ples which Thomas Attwood proclaimed long ago ; they were
the principles he (Mr. Salt) adhered to now, and they might
depend on it that so far as the real interests of the people
were concerned, that was the most important movement that
had ever been originated in England. (Hear, hear.) They
had had one which was for the extension of the people
liberty: this was for wages —plentitul and abundant wages.
(Cheers.) If any set of men thought they ought to have the
charter, all he said was, let theta at a proper time try to ob-
tain it • but the whole question to be agitated now was—
wages-good wages for that labour which was God's endow-
ment to man. To talk of industry and skill being starved in
a country where there was so much wealth was degrading,
but it was disgraceful to the government that permitted it.
He urged them, therefore, to remember that the only cry
they had to make was—wages—wages—wages. (Cheers.)
Mr. Salt concluded by moving the adoption of the following
resolution :
That the unexampled commercial ruin which has made F.ngland a
spectacle of shame and wonder to all nations has not been conxquent
on any undue speculation on the part of the people, but has been
caused by the cruel and fraudulent laws winch regulate her
monetary systems, and which are in their nature a warrant
of ruin against every enterprise o I industry. The pretence
of these laws was to lie the value and regulate the issues
of money their effect has been to cause ruin°. fluctuations
both in its value and quality. When gold money is abundant,
money is still more abundant by issues of paper money; when
gold money to scarce, money to mule still scarcer by the with-
drawal of paper money. In the first case, industry is tempted
and forced into enterprise; in the next cue it is involved in cer-
tain ruin, by tho withdrawal of the very foundation on which it
stood. A fraudulent and fluctuating standard of value, an immense
superstructure of paper on a narrow and shifting gold basis, are
the elements of our system and the sources of our ruin. The
attempt is prop op this system, and to Lunt unduly the Wise of
money by exacting highly usurtoue intervals, cannot fail to breat
down the value of property, by compelling sales, and the lifting up
the interest of money higher than the profits of trade must nem-
rely stop the employment of labour, and destroy the means of exist-
ence of the labourer. Thus the law is made to destroy the life and
property its whole aim should be to preserve ; for such acts there
must, be no toleration, no indemnity. That memoriLle be forthwith
to her Majesty the Queen, and a petition to the llotise of
praying for present large and liberal relief, arid for hid
inquiry into the monetary system, with a view to its permanent re-
gulation. That the Birmingham Currency Relorm Amociation be re-
guanod to communicate with Liverpool and other commercial towns,
with a view to obtain their cooperation. That this enee lag hereby
pledges itself individually and collectively to raise and piece to the
heads of the Currency Association the sum of I,OOW. towards defray-
ing the expenses of use emaciation.
Mr. Meson then rose, amid much approbation, to second
the resolution. He said that the opposition of a con-
siderable portion of the press might for a short period
in some degree retard the progress of the movement
for currency reform; but the meetings which had
been held, here and elsewhere, and especially the
important meeting which he then had the honour of address-
ing, was an indisputable evidence of the rapid advancement
of public opinion on this great national question. (Hear.)
No eircurn.tance, no scene, could be more gratifying then
the immense numbers and enthusiasm which had charac-
terised the recent meetings which had assembled in that ball,
with scarce an effort on the part of the committee, to con-
sider the momentous and destructive operation of the money
laws on the commerce, lives, and prosperity of this great
and enterprising nation. (Hear.) He felt ensured, with a
judicious eourse of policy, invigorated by the never-failing
energy inseparable from the English character, that in a short
time that portion of the press which now opposed them, would
identify their sentiments with the exertions of the move-
ment. There was one paper which must be regarded as an ex-
ception—namely, the Times. (Laughter.) Its opposition was
an omen of success, and an evidence of the correctness of
their (the currency reformers') principles. (Laughter.)
Their prospects weie thus elevated by all those elements
which the experience of the past had established—a powerful
but not unconquerable opposition on the one hand, and an
immense and growing public opinion on the other. (Hear.)
It was with great pleasure that he would now state to the
meeting that the deputation had discharged their duty in a
manner the most creditable to themselves and faithful to the
people of Birmingham. (Hear.) They had treated the
premier respectfully, but, at the same time, honestly, and
with that candour which must ever be more acceptable to
an officer of such high responsibility than if the deputation I
had withheld or modified their honest sentiments. (Hear.) '
He (Mr. M.) could not encourage any hope through
the disposition of the government The parliament was, I
he feared, so completely ignorant of the nature and opera.
tion of the mocey laws, that the settlement of so great a
question was scarcely to be expected yet from that source,
unless the demand for an inquiry was made by a national
voice. The legislature had fixed a standard of value by law,
which standard had destroyed, and was destroying, the value
of every commodity—of every class of produce created by
English industry and capital—it was a standard which had
destroyed the wages and value of labour—it had most fear-
fully reduced the value of capital, as well as made every ma-
nufacturing undertaking hazardous to the last degree.
(Hear, hear.) It is now rapidly confiscating the hundreds
of millions of property, by reducing its value to the standard
of legal gold-value, which standard does not provide for the
legal burden of taxation upon the wages of the British
operative--or for the manufacturers, who must pay a much
higher rate of wages, to enable their workmen to obtain an
equivalent for their industry, than is necessary to be paid in
continental nations, where the taxation of the prolate is so
much less than its England. (llear.) The misery, want,
and destitution which had resulted from the attempt to en-
force these money laws it was most fearful to contemplate.
It had based all our internal prosperity on the mere acci-
, dental balance of a few millions of foreign exchange, even
fur or against us—(hear)—and thus, if we had to export a
few millions of gold, for food or even raw material, the entire
home trade becomes involved in the most serious embarrass-
ment and distress. Itistrue the enterprise and inexhaustible
energy of the commercial classes have, in a great measure,
made up the deficiency of legal money by bills
of exchange, and these hills have raised a su-
perstructure which, though moat precarious and sub-
ject to great danger, by the sudden withdrawal of a few
millions of notes, has still been the means of extending trade,
developing our resources, and giving employment to the po-
pulation. In 1815 the circulation of notes by the Bank of

England and germ" local banks amounted to 45,629,2131.; j
the circulation of bills of exchange to upwards of
600,000,0001.; being about an average of 15,000,0001. to
every one million of bank notes. In 1814, the circulation of
notes amounted to 30,714,4861. The bills were about an
average 10,000,000 to each million of notes. In 1839 the
circulation of notes was 30,128,4761.; the average bills
of exchange was about 15,000,0001. to every one million
of notes. Thus we find that the withdrawal of four or five
millions of notes (run circulation will cause the stoppage of
nearly 100,000,0001. bills of exchange, This was a most fearful
Mate of things—a state of things which the government had,
by their injudicious and oppressive legislation in the regula-
tion
of our monetary and commercial system, established. I
(" Hear," and cheers.) They had diminished the legal I
tender, money, and thus rendered it impossible for the
trade of the country to be carried on through a sound, abun- 1
dant, and well-regulated medium ; and hence the transac-
tions of our immense commerce had to be effected by this un-
certain but indipensable means, and houses of the highest
integrity and solvency were swept into wholesale ruin, and
trade periodically involved in universal diAress. (Hear.) To
sky it is over-trading is • fraud. Had we a proper circu-
lating medium, we could do double the trade with confi-
dence, certainty, and permanent prosperity, which we now
ds with hourly apprehension and certain periodical distren.
Mr. M. then expressed his confidence that the sum of 1,0001.
would be raised by the people of 13trosiagham, and that
done, the first step to succeis was laid. The reform of our
monetary laws once accomplished, labour will command a
field of employment commensurate to our great and increas-
ing population. Enterprise will be rewarded--trade will be-
came certain in its operations—our foreign exchanges will
not disturb our internal prosperity—and England will again
be roused from her anomalous adversity in the midst of her
abundant means, to that position which has ever made her •
blessing to humanity and an honour to her people. (Loud
and continued applause.)
Mr. Mc ore, M.P., said that he had come to that meeting
at great inconvenience, because he was determined that the
public should be put in possession of the facts as to what took
place in the interview with Lord John Russell ; and the
more so as he knew that the press (a great part of which
was against them) was not particularly nice when a fact was
to be established ; they had a proof of that in the article
which appeared in the Times of that morning, which was a
complete tinue of falsehoods from beginning to end. It had
evidently been concocted by mime one who had an object in
unscrupulously misstating the facts silo what had taken place.
There was no doubt about this, because it did so happen that
as he was sitting at dinner, after he had returned from ac-
companying the deputation to Lord John Russell, a card
was sent up by a gentleman wbo said he was a reporter
from the 'Jones, and upon being shown in, the individual
referred to said that he wished to see Mr. Harlow, one of the
members of the deputation, at the same time asking him to
furnish him with his address. To this he replied that he
did not know it ; and thereupon the reporter sat
down, and he (Mr. Muntz) gave him the parti-
culars of what occurred, which he wrote down at
the time, but not one ward of which appeared in the Times
article, and God only knew where they got that which did
appear. ("Shame.") Now, what he did say to Lord John
Russell was this, that at the time the memorial was adopted
it was intended to have asked his lordship to interfere to
prevent the further progress of the ruin that was then daily
going on ; but that, consequent on the step which govern-
ment had taken, all they then had to do was to lay before
his lordship a statement of the effects and disasters arising
out of the late pressure, to show to him, too, that the profits
arising from trade would not allow of those engaged in it
paying eight, nine, or ten per cent. for money, and that if
nothing else was done it would be impossible for the manu-
facturer to continue to employ labour: that was the sub-
stance of what he said. He ateted further that he knew it
to be a fact that the profits of trade were so small
that the ell principle could never be re-enacted,
that of bringing back gold by • rekiuction of
prices to an amount equalling five or six per
cent., without involving those attempting it in complete ruin.
The hon. gentleman then went on to remark that he had
written a note to the editors of the Times, to say that the
whole of their article was false, and he expressed his sur-
prise that • newspaper which called itself the first of the
public organs should descend to such miserable subterfuges.
If such things were suffered to continue, between the press
and the government, the public would soon be, and de-
servedly so, completely overridden. After some explana•
tons with reference to the working of the present currency
system he read at length the article in the Times, com-
menting upon it as he proceeded. He denounced it as "a
perfect piece of manufacture, full of false representations"
and " common-place remarks," upon observations alleged to
have been made by h,nsell and Mr. Scholefield which had
never been uttered. The Times writer said that his facts
could not be contradicted or disproved : why, they had been,
but they would not acknowledge it. The Times had been
wroeg a good many times,and admitted it, for it had gone com-
pletely round often enough. (Hear, and laughter.) The
editors of 'he Times sought to bolster up a system which had
produced just this—that after thirty-two years of profound
peace we were deeper in debt than ever, and, notwithstand-
ing our miserable plight, it was actually contemplated to ley
on a heavy property tax to make up our deficiencies.
(Hear.) All he wanted was, that the truth should be pub-
fished ; and if the Times' editors could by any species of ,
evidence show that there was one word of truth in their ar-
ticle with reference to what had taken place at the interview
with Lord John Russell, why, then, he must either have
been asleep at the time, or actually not present. He had
(he said) told Lord John Russell distinctly that the result of
the interference which there had been with the bill of 1811
would be only to make things worse than ever afterwards,
and to mike the pressure infinitely more severe; time
would show that he was correct, and all he now said was,
that unless the people did their best to get rid of such a
system of government as they were now writhing under,
and of such a press, there was an end not only to their
boasted liberty, but they would be beggars sa long as they
lived. (Applause.)
Mr. SPOONER, M.P., followed. lie commenced by con-
firming the observations which hail been made by Mr. Munts
respecting the inaccuracies in the Times. He imagined, he
said, that the editorial " we" had written something in antici-
pation of what he supposed they might say, and that he
afterwards thought it too good to be omitted. Adverting to
the step which government had taken for the relief of the
presdire, he said that although it had had the effect of turn-
ing the exchanges, it had also depreciated the value of pro.
perty in this country to the benefit of foreigner. He ad-
mitted
that the pressure would for a while be mitigated in
one quarter, and that further failures might be prevented,
but the bur:hen would now fall on the labouring classes ;
their misery and destitution was inevitable, and the ministry
that could act with so little regard for the wants of that im-
portant part of the community ought not to be suffered to go
on. He congratulated them on the fact that the people were
at last alive to the real source of their misery ; he claimed '
for himself and his friend Thomas Attwood, the credit of
having pointed out, in 1819, the inevitable result of the fatal
measure of that year. The opinions he then held and
proclaimed he had consistently and unflinchingly
abided by ; and he said to them now, as he had
always said with respect to free trade, that if they were
to have it, it must be free indeed. He further expressed his
satisfaction to find that the people had, at last, forgotten
their political differences in their determination to put an
end to an iniquitous system. Having remarked upon some
further inaccuracies in the Times, Mr. Spooner concluded by
saying, the editor of the Times has admitted that we did
once pay 15s. in the pound, and, at the same time, he says,
that we want to perpetrate a further injustice ; but has'he
forgotten that we ouly received from the money-lender
in the pound ? Has he forgotten that every hundred pounds
we borrowed was receivt dat the same rate ? (Hear.) But,
gentlemen, is it too much to suppose that there is some secret
and peculiar power at work to cause the production of these
very curious articles in the Times! (Hear.) Is it possible
that some great capitalist—some man having a great com-
mand of capital, and who finds that the more that capital is
wanted the more he can make of it—may be adopting this
sort of means amongst others to induce government to adopt
such measures as shall increase the value of that capital
—knowing, too, that in proportion as the value of
capital is enhanced your wages are &presented, and he
a gainer ? Is it possible, I say, that such a man can exist
and by some secret back-door influence can it be that he ex-
ercises an influence over • great public journal for his own
purposes? Oh ! forbid it heaven that this should be true ! It
is a wicked suggestion, I admit ; but there is this cruel whis-
per in one's mind. I dismiss it, having thrown out the hint,
and you will form your opinions accordingly. (Cheers.) For
mys,lf I am quite callous and indifferent to any attacks that
may be made upon me. Mister Times may keep his own
opinions, if he has any, but he shall never ridicule me out of
mine. (Cheers.)
Mr. HARLOW, the secretary of the Currency Reform As-
sociation, next briefly addressed the meeting in support of the
resolution, which was put and unanimously carried. The
proceedings terminated with this at ten o'clock at night.

IRELAND.
Bunts, Nov. G.
There was an open and close session to-day. In
the first the Irish council passed some resolutions
which created little public interest A lively discus-
sion arose on the tenant right question, led by the
Earl of Miltown, who was all but in favour of the
universal extension of the right, in which he was
followed by Mr. Mitchell, of the Natiqn, and Mr. B.
Roche, M.P. for Cork. Mr. Doheny is to deliver a
great speech in favour of the question, and Mr. lieagh,
member for Athlone, is to tread on hie heels, and
them sorely. Sharman Crawford attends on Tuesday
to develop with more argument the local working of
the system. In the closed council of representatives there
has been, I understand, much confusion and opposi-
tion between the popular or city representatives and
the rural or landlord class. Language has been used
which would not pass muster at a county hustings.
The land question is the cause of the discord which
agitates the council of distress and safety. Unanimity
is at an end.

The poor-law unions do not improve in adminis-
tration. The Kerry Examiner states that a rumour
had been in circulation in that county that the Lis
towel guardians had been dismissed and a paid board
appointed. In cork matters are little better. The
Cork Examiner states that a rumour had reached, that
in consequence of the inability of the rate collectors of
the Kanturk union to raise the funds, the guardians
had resigned their office into the hands of the com-
missioners. This, if true, is to be regretted.
Violent outrage still characterises our downward
progress. The Lord Lieutenant offers rewards of