The Express.
London, England, 1853-02-18 00:00:00

but that which belonged he their sacred office. The Medial
were tried not for a religiose, but for a civil of 'race. This
wee deer from the act of accusation itself. The reading
of the Bible, on which so much stress had been laid, was
set forth as an act, bet the act of accusation was stated
to be that of impiety, which was an offence against the
religion of the state, aentidered as such. It was not an ec-
,clesigetical °Renee, but a civil offence, tending to disturb
the commonweal. The proceedings were commenced, not
at the instance of an 'eels-sip:ideal authority, but at that of
the attorney-general; which shows that it was with a public
offence this Medial were charged. Though he should be
glad to hear of the liberation of these persons, he could not
but deprecate the meaner in which the subject had
been discussed in this country, both by the press
and at public meetings, and the tone in which the Grand
Duke of Tuscany had been spoken of. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. DRUMMOND said the hon. and learned member
wished to persuade them that these people were punished
for a civil hot a religious effence, but that was always the
plea of persecution. That was the justification for the mas-
sacre of St. Bartholomew, and it was a common trick with
the prince in Spain to intercede for men %hi as inquisitors
they were delivering over to the aecul it power. Uutortu-
uatelv the observation of Machiayslli applied too well, that
be had known priests interfering to aggrav its puni•lnents,
never to mitigate them. (Hear, hear.) At the same time
he feared we had net acted wisely in our mode of remons-
trating with a forefzn state, for he believed that the Greed
Duke felt himself hemmed in by a pressure on both sides,
and wee thus left without the privilege of free action. lie
(Mr. Drummond) believed that if a private remonstrance
had been tried his beoevolence would have relea-ed
thew people. The honourable member bed spoken
of the gravamen of the offence of the Medial
being its foreign instigetion, an assertion which *omitted
very strange after the discussion on the Ecclesiastical Titles
Bill, seeing that the whole of that measure was directed
against foreign instigation. A braise prince was then sent
to this cuuatry and then corresponded with foreign sove-
reigns, acting entirely by foreign instigation. With re-
spect to that prince, he would quete the conduct of an
English king of the old popish times. When Edward M.
WWI Out on his Scottish wars, a cardinal arrived at Dover,
and the queen sent him orders not to stir a step further
uutil he had obtained the king's permission. It was a great
pity that a similar course has not been taken with some
cardinals of more recent date. (Hear, and a laugh.) He
did not believe that the catholic laity liked persecution
more than protestant', but there was the panic pretre seat-
toted all over Europe whose wish was to keep the people
in a state of political and religious degradation. Of course
they withheld. the Testament, because it was principally
addressed to the laity, and contained a provision that no
priest should be ordained who had not educated his wife
and children. That of course did not suit their views. (A
laugh.) However, we should first mend our own ways,
and relax our persecution towards the Bishop of Exeter and
others, who wish to uphold our ewe church, before we in-
terfered in the concerns of foreign states.
Mr. FITZGERALD regretted the punishment of the
Medial, bat did not think that the correspondence disclosed
the whole case. He, as a Roman catholic, could not object
to proselytism, seeing that catholic' bad a society for the
propagation of the faith which ramified over the world.
Let them not look upon the question in a sectarian or party '
spirit when the great trott::jailes of civil and religions liberty
were at stake. As a catholic—as a member of a
religion recently persecuted, and yet not freed from die-
. abisities—his *trice, and if necessary, his arm, should ever
be raised against persecution of every hied. Still he bad
heard nothing to induce him I. believe that the Duke of
Tuscany was to blame.
Lord STANLEY wished to state briefly what he believed
was the policy of the late government with regard to the
Medial. He did not think it possible that the house could
entertain en' doubt or hesitation as to the propriety of
England's interfering in such a case. The only question
that presented itself was as to the form that that 'steepe-
r skies should take, and whether or not it should take a
formal and official shape. if the government had adopted
the former course, and remonstrated in strong terms, and if
that remonstrance bad not been attended to, the

government would only have had two alterna-
tives left it. They must either have taken no
further notice of the matter, a course not consistent with
the honour and dignity of the country ; or they must have
withdrawn the minister from Tuscany. Now he did not
hesitate to say that such a eircantstance as that would have
been mischievaus not merely to the interests of England
and of Tusesny, but poseibly to the peace of Europe. It
was therefore determined that the remonstrance should be
of susolliclal chiracter ; and the noble lord proceeding to
quote from the despatches of Lord Malmesbury and Sir
Haney Bulwer concluded by asserting that the conduct of
the late government had shown no want of energy or
sincerity.
Sir it. INGLIS repudiated the doctrine laid down by
the hon. member for Meath that it was the duty of Eng-
land to interfere in all Gams where persons were suffering
hardship or persecution. His noble friend the Secretary for
Foreign Affairs had acted more conai.tently with his own
high position, and with his duty to the Queen, who held
her crown as a protests's', and reigned over a large majo-
rity of prutestanu, saying that they ought to sympathise
with their co-religionist& This was not any excursive
benevolence. The people of this country were not bound
to go to war or make a hostile demonstration in every ease
where persecution was practised; but it was only where
the safferers were their fellow-protestants, were they bound
to interpose, not with their blood, nor with much of their
treasure, but they ought at least to throw the weight of
their moral influence into the genie. (Cheers.)
Mr. KENNEDY objected to the motion on the ground
that it would place the Queen, the parliament, and the
country in a false position. He could imagine the Grand
Duke of Tuscany replying _to the =Aim by asking them to
rescind the Ecclesiastical Titles Act.

Thema PALM2lllll7oN—flir I sin salami that the
Mobs ahead set esnis' to a sloe; withdut my making a
fter ebainatiewe efts Oka allusions which the be.. mem-
ber he abaft made to wall in the worse of his speech.
The Mu. aesabor hr lie* is desirous that I should stead
teeth as the admits of the Greed Duke of Tuscany. That
wish was sot immetneel I. km ; for it appeared to me that
the Gland Duke of Tuscany, having n• defender but the
he.. poslowee, he seeds some coadjutor. (Laughter.) I
iiieline the teak. I will defend myself, but not the Grand
Duke. (Laughter sad cheers), Now sir, the lion. gen-
tleman, the member for Moth, unable to Bey cue
II& ward in.deftaes et dui natinet et the Grand Duke
of Tummy proem& to impala ft se seediest simile, I.
=la that whisk of wilt hind bed se justly me-
and the him puedowes POWs* to allude to
reams tronsamiew in xzed to Switearlond, awl to eveaw
shish bed mewed la Mewl et Tahiti. New, with re.
With the swiss qweillemo the Ma. gentlemen read only
ash pit of the peps es *sited his purpose. (Cheers.)
I Oak he owl/ siot bowl read enough to inform him of the
name d the weeseedeee to white he alluded, or, if he
bodo be otypowed that which wee the key to the whole
Iftnelielien. beers.) Now what was that transaction ?
=he hem appeared to ropriwint that I bad stood
halt ea do peen eter at the Joliette, sad that I had urged
the sathells swans te, as he called It, " exterminate ' the
Jeasita. What humane by .4 eatenniaation " he did not
ooplia. I suppose he meant that I " expelled " them.
e=l.) Mg le les:seam a just or true rem-
it what Wok The facts of the ease were
Ibsen • civil war brakes out in Switaerland.
MON wee armed spinet maton—protestant against
oathelle—see/seity spinet minority. We were invited by
the Newish revereineat to mediate between the
essOmmlisy parties ; awl we were engaged with the Prima
Is asswireekg te settle such terse as might
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of paths en end to the disasters of which
the Wesel sass* - wealth, lawits. It was their presence in
Switzerland—their egaeseefte presence in the protestant
carom—which had that war with regard to which
our intiliatisatieu INS what; sad it 'truce me that the
oily ensued needs eltpoisy an end to that contest was to
renew the arm of the omega. (Rear, hear.) It was in
that spirit that I jospied Net the Jesuits should be with-
drawn ; and I dig rhie. maimalmedly, the reasons why their
presence in any senotry. 'shellsy, or protestant, was likely
to rowdies the well posse Oen senetry. 1 maintained
that opinion, sad I isn't shriek beet defending it. There-
fore it was not that I pabeeteeled to recommend
their expulsion; but bump soiled ea to mediate, for
the purpose of putting an nth to civil war,
it appeared to me that the beet Ohm would be to remove
the cause, and thus make the effect awe. (Hear, hear.)
Now, with regard to Tahiti, that reams Wand to which
the lon, member was se take his wild flight before
he amid alight on say that metal suit his ease.
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What happened at Tahiti Tahiti wens barbarous, profli-
gate, heath's moieties ; but the prelelitaat laiseftearies,
with a sonesse and seal whisk did blame. to the religion
whisk they permed and to the ratite whist pee them
birth—the proleelena wiedowlem teeing all the perils
which ant welly aressodad mate who planted their feet
singly unseen a heeds til essipo—they went, and by
perseveranee gad by poll airmeal, by -thole anew* nod
their mop% the,
_OlNneite& *WO berbermis savages inns
what I amnet amid la ail a sentry of, comparatively
speaking at feast' dallied Cheiedsse. After they had re-
stored pease sod maw to the Wend the catholic missionaries
came. Did they Mbar Hair example J Did they go to
islands where danger wen to be encountered, and strive to
waren them to Chriatiaaity ? (Cheers.) No, sir. They
went to disturb the tranquillity of islands which had pre-
viously been converted, and, instead of going to a place
where they might face danger, and where religions triumph
might have been wen, they proceeded to disturb the peace-
ful people of Tahiti for the purpose of turning them into
catholic'. (Cheers.) Instead of turning them into Chris-
' duo they endeavoured to upset the social tranquillity of
these Wanda. (Hear, hear.) Well, sir, I will admit
that the proceedings of the government, stimulated
by our missionaries, certainly exceeded the bounds
of propriety and justice. But did they put those
catholic missionaries into "comfortable" prisons ? (Loud
cheers.) Did they treat those tniseionaries as the
Grand Duke of Tuscany has treated the Medial and
I other persons also who hate professed protestentim?
' (Cheers.) Why, sir, that which they did was to tell those
' missionaries, "We de not want you—we are already
Christians, and don't want your instruction; pray go
1 away." But they would not go away, and there was a
, law of the Wiled compelling them to go away. They were
; expelleS,—not exterminated. (Cheers.) The Medial would
I only be too glad if the Greed Duke would expel
them. (Cheers.) If the Grand Duke would only
follow the example of these barbarous islands, and
expel_ them, they would only be too thankful. (Hear, hear.)
The hon. member, a Roman catholic sitting in that house, 1
' makes come reproaches, he himself being an example how
j little they are de'erved. (Hear, hear.) But, sir, I turn
with pleasure from the speech of the hon. member for
Meath to that of the hon. member for Ennis (Mr. Fits.
gerald). His sentiments do honour to the religion lie pro-
tesses—the religion of Christianity casting aside the differ-
ences betwonsProteetant and human catholic. (Cheers.)