The Express.
London, England, 1849-03-30 00:00:00

Mr. Jobs S.et hensci Caps, examined by lir. Preadergest
who said—Lane • ulteitor of Writhed bani. In Dee. giber ler
went to P.itmh Wm. Mr. Superintend in Withal( rd fad
Mr. Hubbersty were with me. I west into the pokier. I
went into a canoe the no. A board in the Oren ihr r was
seaved by Mr. Superintendent Witnertord. 1 took a bee
Strom out or the Room
The Prisoner—lt is moat infamous, rascally, that WOO
11110114 should be allowed to remain in court, especially the
policemen,.
Jade—Hold your tongue, prisoner. Addressing the mut
—Any witnesses who remain in oourt after this isthaatien
will be liable to severe punishment.
Ezaminatiou continued.—l found some documents. I
baud one dated October 10, 184$. This u it (handier in
the document). Oue is marked A end another method C.
Also en egreentent, dated Nov. 21, 18 IS, marked D. These
are marks Ilaare pot OM myself doom I 'mud one she
dated October 3, 1818. There is another I found at M-
anahan'. That was as the 6th day of Dee. tuber. It was
at the priesan's house at Fehningbam. I found it Is his
esrpat bag in se bee chest. I found also at Fohninghem—
the wed • letter, dated the 16th of April, 1848 Thee
was ip la a elo ert, or is
a carpet bar at Felminghani;
I cease( exactly 'sullen which. I also found &Inter from
Mr. Read, dated July El, 1848. At Potash farm I found •
motes* dated October 12, 1848 and signed " Thee. Jitney."
I foond a Doti" dated May 19, 1848. I hued • lesser
dated October 14,1348. I found also a letter Med
bee 19, 1848. I found • notice dated October IS, anti
found two notices gismo, by the prisoner bowleg the date
of October, 1848, hut no day mentioned. I head a letter
dated Sept 30. 1848, from Read to the
Primmer—How many @embark= =rake the day
after the murder at Stanfield-hail? Witasse—One.
Judge—How many wit:theses did you 0211■11611 ? Winne,
—Yea Jenny, Wattha, the butler, and Eliza Chutney. I
deal recollect any mere.
Prisoner—Do yea know whether my i.e else examthed
Watson? Witness—l believe soma Rotes were taken.
Prilmaer—Did you nee them? Witness—l believe I did.
Yes ; I recollect I did.
Prisoner—When did you see them? Witnees—Shorily
before you came in, and they were afterwards repeated in
your presence.
Prisoner—When was your first examination taken? Wa-
ss's—About one o'clock is the aftetheine; that was only •
poion.
Prisoner—What time wee it when it was takes from me?
Witness—No evidence was taken till you ease, and thee it
commenced ego n.
Prim mer—Did you see Pont, the passim, at the time
yea took Watsea's evidence? Witness: I des't rthallen.
Prisoner—Did you take dowa what Min Issoldard said ?
Wheless: No• I Meet.
Primer—Was there nothing token hewed what she said
that day ? Witness: I sae sot aware OIL I Ink soothing
dome, sad I den% knew whether soy an, &oda
Cron examine:llas eiontimied—Mbe lisadhed was la the
room shoat tee isinutee. I had not then her et ly on that
day. I had semi her provieemei. I hosed male hen her
about the evidence she h-d togive in rammer' totheauder,
er anything she had to ley. slue wan examined, partly,
me
cuteatc
awdtilnie, by
ett terstrithlt I dog:.
It wm at what
about
to
o'clock whoa I left. SOU!, ethatincitions won made
that night, but I do sot know that anything was
taken down in writing. Watson, the butler, wee examined
that night. He gave a gtheral &seriph= et the affair. I
do not exactly recollect which room it was in. I think it
was in the fanny That That was between ten and eleven Veloric.
W Prisoner—Did ats= give any descriptlea of the man's
dress that night—the man who committed the murder?—
Witness : No. sot lamy hearing.
Primmer—Nor yet of anything he thought the elea had
en t—Witaires: No.
Prisoner—Nor of anything else ?—Witness: No.
Prisoner—And there wee nothing taken down in writing
—Witness: No.
Crowmexeminationentlaws&—l was in the room pert of
the time while my tither, the magistrate, examined Emily
Sandford about the paper. That was in Wymendlithe
Bridewell. I lint head what evidence she had to give rela-
tive to the mew le the Morin day. She said she had
written some papas her Yr. Zia. I took nothing down Is
writing. My bier might have takes notes.
Judge—De yes believe be did ?
Witness—l think my how took down rose motes of Mhe
Sandford's evidence.
Croesexemination by the phases Rush continued—l was
not present during the while time Mite Sandford was with my
father. I think she was with him under examinati m for
two or three hours. I wee not there during the whole time
of the exerninatioa. I might have been there two hours.
Hulthersty. the pollee officer, and Superintendent Wither.
ford, were present daring the seamen ties. I think I was
in the room when she left. I did sot Ines milting
read over to Ler ; sew did I see her append her sure
to anything. I hare never seen any decumeat Dbeeariing
that date with her signature attached. I haw Emily
Sandford was going to be examined. I assestehied that on
the Friday evening. Ido not brow by when ashler she was
sent for from Potash farm. I did not mad for her. The
thantheation took place in the mug strata's room at the Bride-
well. She was tot examined on oath that I em aware of.
AU that I heard was of a conversational character. I was
not there at the COISIOOSCOOK/Or of the examination. I heard
she had been questioned by the police cfficer at Potash term
the same memo/ That was before she came to the Bride-
well. Tee examination was taken down in writing. I
have seen the document; it bears co signature. You (pri-
soner) were in the Bridewell at the time when she wee
examined in your prewar. I did not hear she had evidence
to give other than she had gives before. Ido not recollect
whether lie. Wilma, the magistrate, made any remarks to
Emily Seedferd prior to her requiring the first deposition.
He might have dr tie so.
Prisoner —What was it I told you in confidence when you
were acting for me as a solicitor
Judge.-1 don't With I can receive it; first of all, did you
set as the prisoner's 'dither ?
Cress-emanation eautintted.—You (the prisoner) told
Me that you wished I would go down to Potash farm, or
rend some ens, as you did not wish your papers to be pulled
about by poll, e o ern. You said you had no objection to
my father or myself taking them. You wanted me to go
with a hone and gig, but I dee'ined. I think I promised
yea en inventory of all ripen that might be taken.
Mr. Waugh, the solicitor, applied to ate for an order
to ere you, and I told him I could not give him one
without the magistrate's eeneent. I never received any in-
struetithe from you, sad I was never aware that I wee acting
as your solicitor. You said, " I shell leave this to you," but I
said " No. Yon are pang to gaol, and if you send down
to me I will do anything for you." I refused to est as your
solicitor. Mr. Waugh told me he came down to yes ea your
solicitor, and it wu then that he asked me for ea coder to see
von. I never told Mr. Waugh that I was going to visit you.
I did not make any &Odic. in the menthe-soh Mr. Waugh
to sling as your solicitor. Ido sot recollect Mr. Waugh
saying you could not be in better bands than mine. After
this conversation, I did act tell Mr. Waugh before he left
the room that I wanted to write and talk to you. You gave
me ye an watch and chain ; but it wee not as security for any
costs that might be incurred. From the time Min Sandford
was at the bndewell until she was examined at the Castle, I
do not recollect that I raw her. The document's I have pro-
duced have teen in my possession since I took them.
I should say that neither my brother nor any other
torten has had an opportunity of inspecting them. Whim
Ills Sandford was cross-examined on the 6tit of et
the fettle, 1 did not sit between you and Miss Sandier, in
coder that you might not see her. Yon mend your chair
very frequently and violently. You were se violist that she
fainted. She was not ia good health. I believe that
object of the magistrate wee to protect the witnesses. On
the 4th cf December I mentioned to Mr. Pelson, the
governor, that I was not acting es the primer's solicitor, and
that if Rush Atheist so he was greatly mistaken. Some-
time, the mitaistraters refused to allow yen to put questions to
Miss Sandford. That wee not the case until your conduct
became so violent that the magistrates found it necessary to
protect the witnesses. The magistrate called you to order
for et Meg them villains, sad such Ike expressions.
Prisoner—lt was a rascally affair, my lord, and it was
quite enough to make any one violent.
Judge—We should have known nothing about year vio-
lists if you had not mentioned it yourself.
Cron-sx,mination continued—l took so depositions of
Miss Sandford exc pt in her own presence. She wee under
examination about Indian hour on the Friday snaky. I
do not know that she was sot examined an hour and a half.
I cannot say whether she was examined more than two
hour.. I believe her not to have both, but I should not
like to swear so. Applications were made to the
magistrates it papen and documents you r quieted
for' one defence. They were refuel. I only found
owe letter. I have sot destroyed the paper or does-
meat I thought would be *NW at the trial. All the papers
and documents were sealed up. 1 did not seal
up the carpet bag, but I do not know why. There were
some title deeds la the bag, and to the bast of my belief they
are all then now. I have never told your children that
there were no title-deeds in the bag. There was a meeting
on the 21st of November at Wynicadharn, at whisk young
Mr. Jeremy was preemie. The police oaken are in possession
of the denim/nut. I did not notices that the lock had been
torn off the carpetbag. I was in the closet at Potash when the
board was taken up. There was a great number of papers
taken out of the plant in the floor besides those in the box ;
there were cheque book' and similar thing,. There was a
manuscript and a printed notice relating to tour bankruptcy.
Miss S.ndtord spoke about some of them. Some might have
been in her handle/thing. I first knew that I was the solicitor
to he persecution seven or eight weeks sine I have been
• to the Bride-well three or four times during the last fortnight
to examine Mir Sandford. She wrote out a statement of ha
her own accord just before she was confined. Oa that I per
pared her evidence.
Re.exaseined by Mr. Prendergast—l found these books Is
the dont. (Thee are the books from one of which the coves
was torn off, on which was written the notice dropped in the
passes eof Stanfield-hall on the night of the murders.)
When the prisoner gave me his watch and chain be said,
" You may as well take these, as I owe you some money.
He bad been to my °See a little time previously and asked
me in my account. There was 4a, about 161. or 181. It
was in the same mouth that the premier celled at my odes.
Prisoner (addressing the judge —Will yea tall me whe-
ther that le a regular plan of proceeding to allow counsel to
examine a witness after • ammexanonation.
The Judge—Yea, on riots that seise out of the crow
examination. I astutely think the learned coma ought
sot to have put the gaieties relative to the lamb, satiny did
not arise out el the troweezassiaatloa.
Priseaw—Mar of the watch sad 'hada either.
Judge—Ok yes, ciertainly.
Same farther questiou were pat by the lain to the wit-
tiness by Rash's dbeetka, bat ugriggria ws.lldted.
lanes Wawa examined by Mr. Ryles, was the
seat vitas. maid. He sin wee butler is the Nevin of
the late Mr. Jimmy, the Reee,der et Merwish, reddhs at
111011shl Hag. I west this is May, 1543. I hose the