The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-15 00:00:00

dus—that the navigation laws of Spain, Holland,andF
were rather more stringent than those of this country. But •
had the restrictive system of these countries been of any see. •
vice to them ? Quits the reverse. The mercantile managed
Franc* and Spain was going to decsy—that of Holland was tot propes-ing. There was no letter pr, of of that then the
fact that almost the whole coasting trade between thm
country and Holland was carried on is English yen*
(Hear, bear.) As regarded Spain, there was an extra dos
goods conveyed in English bottoms; but notwi
the restrictive state= of that country nearly the athot7gf the
sugar brought from Cuba was brought in English olds&
(Hear.) The restrictive system therefore in those coannlie
where it was most stringent bad proved itself a peat ev4
He was glad to find from what had fallen from the right hoe.
gentleman the member for Stamford, and the hon. gentle.
man who spoke last, that both had given up the whole ems
as regarded damage to the shipowner. (" No, se)
Both those hon. gentlemen clearly stated that what they
wanted was perfect reciprocity. What did that mean btu
that if the shipowners had perfect reciprocity, they could with ell the shipowners in the world? That was
giving up the whole case, as the opponents of the ammo
put it last year.
Mr. ROBINSON after speaking of the imponibtlity et
the British shipbuilder competiog with the foreigner, wen
protected, contended that the impediments which our navi-
gation laws imposed operated only as against foreign ems.
MOM, not against British. The present tonnese of the
United States was now nearly equal to that of England, sag
what difference there was would soon dwindle away if this
measure pained.
Mr. J. WILLIAMS supported the bill, believing it would
tend to give inereasad employment to the people.
Sir J. TYRELL maintained that the abolition of waft-
tion had lowered the condition of the labourers and adibut
to
the burdens of the poor rate, and that this bill would further
increase the evil.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he did not rise to make any
comments on the speeches which had been made, or to treat
the question again on its general merits. He wished, simply,
to hike that opportunity of stating that dwind the recess tie
government had thought it right to communicate to foreign
powers the general character of the measure which was in-
troduced lest Pinion, and a declara,ion that it was intended
to introduce a similar one in the present torsion ; the object
of that step being to obtain from foreign powers in return a
statement of the course which they were disposed to take
with regard to navigation. The papers on the subject would
in a short time be laid on the table of the house, in order
that hon. members might hove One for considering them
previous to the second reading. (Hear,)
The Marquis of ORANBY held that our naval anputect,,
depended on the maintenance of the navigation laws,- the el;
peal of which would in no way benefit the public at large.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL supported the resolution.
Mr. HENLEY wished to know whether or not be had
rightly understood that part of the government maim
which had reference to the coasting trade. He had under.
stood the right hon. gentleman to state in effect that en
American vessel might, under the provisions of that bill, cei
her arrival at Southampton discharge a part of her cargo la
that port, take in fresh goods, and then proceed to Louden,
or any other English port, and that a French steam"
coming from Havre might call at Ramsgate, and take in
Cl:niers before she proceeded to another English port.
wished to know whether that view was correct.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that undoubtedly under the
plan which he proposed to introduce, an American veal
would be able to all at one port, takes in a cargo, and thin
proceed to another pert ; but she would not be able to ear/
on a regular to.and-fro coasting trade.
The resolution was then agreed to ; sod the home hoist
resumed, a bill founded thereon was ordered to be brought
in.

Mr. BERRIES expressed a hope that the next sto
would not be fixed until ample time had been gives form.
mining the papers which had been referred to by the Pro.
attain of the Board of Trade.

WAYS AND MEANS.

On the order of the day fur going into committee of Ways
and Means,
Mr. GOULBURN said he wished to put a question to the
right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer. At
the close of the last session, parliament, inconsequence of the
distressed state of the West India islands, granted to them
loan, on certain conditions as to repayment. Among the is.
lands entitled to the benefit of that loan was, of
Jamaica; and the right hon. gentleman was no doubt aware
that, owing to the distressed state of that island, and to the
circumstance that it was already encumbered with debts
which there were no means of discharging, the colonists
were unable to avail themselves of the benefits intended fir
them by her Majesty's government. The loan hawing
been designed to Improve the condition of the colony, by en.
couraging the immigration of labourers, he swished to ask
whether, seeing that the colony had, for the reason which
he had stated, declined to accept the loan, the government
proposed to accomplish the original of jest of the roan by any
other mode.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER regretted
that hie right hon. friend had not given him notice of Ws
intention to put the question. He was not aware that say
island was unable to accept a portion of the loan. No a&
vance, he believed, had yet been made ; but he would take
care to inform himself as to the facts.
Mr HUME said considerable anxiety existed with refer-
' ends to the budget. He did not know whether the right
hon. gentleman (Sir C. Wood) could then state at what
period he would bring it forward; but he hoped he would
soon be in a position to do so. Tnose who felt an interest in
the financial state of the country wished to know, before any
vete was taken, whether for the army, the navy, or any other
great public establishment,! what mews were at the dieposal
of the government ?
The house then went into committee, and agreed to a vote
of 8,000,0001. out of the Consolidated Fund.
HABEAS CORPUS SUSPENSION (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day for the consideration of the
repent,
Mr. J. O'CONNELL hoped the government would not
attempt to proceed with the measure, as by so doing the
house would lose one stage of its progress so far Si discussion
was concerned. . .

Sir O. OBEY said, be proposed that the bill should pus
through that stage, and that •he third reading should be the
tint order of the day fot Friday, in order to allow ample
time for debate..____ . . .

Mr. J. O'CONNELL proposed that the report should be
considered that day six months.
The SPEAKER said, the hon. member could not move
that as an amendment ; but according to a new rule of the
house, if the hon. member had any clause to propose, it
might be received.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL would then move as a clause that of
which he had given notice as an instruction.
Sir G. GREY (it being then floc minutes to six) observed
that if the hon. member spoke till six the order would of
course stand over till next day. He might occupy the time
of the house if he thought proper.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL would feel great pleasure in doing
so. (Laughter.) The hon. member then proceeded to ad-
dress the house, while nearly all the members instantly de.
parted. He observed that when a bid of a much less
stringent character was introduced in 1833 by gentlemm
many of whom formed part of the present ministry it ma
strongly °pm ed by the present Attorney-General. ministry
hoe. gentleman took a prominent part in the opposition. He
assisted Irish members in all their tactics. They frequently
referred to him, and always found him ready with his advice
and his speech. He awakened the echoes of the house with
old traditions of the constitution of England ; and he (Kr.
J. O'Connell) believed that the doctrines professed by the
right hon. gentleman with his lips were deeply seated in by
heart.

Six o'clock havlog arrived, the hone. adjourned.

Vie Orprego.

MAILS.
The West India MIK excluding Bermuda, Nowa, MMUS,
Honduran, New Odeon, and Mexico, and including them he
Madeira, Bt. Jaado.lflearegna, New Granada, Chili, and Fete, lii
be nude op on the mania of the 17th Feb.
The mails for Mg% Open% Lbbon, Idaddra. Cadiz, and Wallet
will be made up rata' menhir of the 17th Feb.
The nialb for Gibeelsr, Malta, Greece, the loan Wads,
Aden, Goyim, India, Haag-Moog, and China, tie Bouthampton,lgrA
be male op en the smenag of the 20th Feb.
The iambs Ise lent& North Animus. mad the Babel la*
will be anis up en the earning of the 23rd Feb.
The Elteas Mansnia, to the Mediterranean, Egypt, SW*
Osyka. Hong-Emeg, ha, will be made ttp on as mall
ci the nth
The sails be New Heath Wales, Van Dianna 's Land, sad NW
Habig will be lands op so the "raft of the 28th Feb.
The mak Dm theat Wathed Oast at sa and Madeira will be wade
up ea
The aUrces he the lad* and lam Aped, will he
made up on the 111•1113( the 4tb March.

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LONDON, THURSDAY, FEB. 15.
Tan days are gone when mighty peers could force
their way into the sovereign's presence, and compel
the crown to pursue the policy they deemed nears-
awry and wise : the days are gone when the owner et
owners of a score of boroughs could go to the minis*
of the day, and impose their will. Tories now, as
well as reformers, must and do appeal to 'popular
masses, and confess they can do nothing but by mow
of such support. The popular mass to whom the
landlords appeal are no otr than the farmers. At
meeting at Southorpe the other day, a representa-
tive of the Marquis of EXETER spoke his lordshiß'n
opinion, that the farmers should rise in a body, in
order to petition the legislature to re-impose a tax on
foreign grain. The farmers present liked the idea
very well of rising in a body, but it should be, tiro,'
thought, to petition the landlords against the game
nuisance and against deficient farmsteads.
All parties, indeed, protectionists and free trader!,
epeem this, that the farmers should rise and pit'
Um for that which they could command, and for that
which would do them sensible good. The dif-
ference is, that the squires recommend a rising
to benefit themselves ; the reformers recommend
a movement that will benefit every class in the
nation, all tax-payers, and especially the raisers sad
consumers of barley, malt, and hops. The spin
too were for malt tax reel, but it was only when
they knew it to be impracticable. They called it a
burden on the farmer, when they wished to make it as
argument for the corn law. But now that aO7