The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-17 00:00:00

should be done on security from Ireland, and not in the shim
of grant. Ima opposed to its being done either as grant or
and thallium I shall vet. maw
the asteadateatet
die hem milither Sneed. (Maim boar.) The Eight
diemeethe MOM .ftese while he has eon-
at Se paths edit* was Gemmed the ether night,
:to the amessin el the twat, has spin mimed the theme-
llpn himself, mad so hay mewed haw the taken of =-
vim, ma the mesa esusien, that i as me he will
win me It I de- mot hI MI eberentima paw alto-
gether imasthei. et deb Ithd the hem
make ANIMISM' "DigMMiis ei beetle* mean te___ Jame thatshould
there is a emethieetarviter el the Median wad smelliest me.
We most nee asl4 moth/ the mesas enlimay edema who
are suffering in Thud/ Ma we mast nailer. the. Act iet
as mpressatethes of the pooh of Realm*, we area met
suing • aeon*. end &Mg feast *oar, by war vet
to • career whisk My Mimed, bring sue say thitelles,
wham rein, ea these whom we represent. Boma this
is net a new vote m a porthole: oemeioa. The Chenether
of the Ikeiremn hes jest m that tale time bet yam
twelve avers age, if ,_meshing like this bed not Wen
dime, the wethring and death that mast hme manned tees
homed Measiden. Bat Main= have Awed twelve
months te sad, with all this sea maims% they non
act may gnat mmeame. mimes le mouth
as this eseth.diat twelve moths ltesse do moo op.
peal set be made to as again. (Hem Ist.) lem met
asLmei to use the term " comprehmiete moseeme."
Ice 1856 you had a manatee of thb hems en the stets
of Ireland, and had seessares of great bamatemes mem-
mamba by that esmemittoo—a ..amines emilding et
I. gentlemen it the
brihighest duataiiir eml der
dittos, owl parties, be English meths", st ,
high imam& Why eme mot the resommoniktfens
of that Nauman* admits& ? Why, Memo is 1.856
her Yelesty's Mainers wen messiag ma measares for
Ireland of a very different tom and atheist obscener.
I need not allude again to the epprepelatiem cause.
Yen had, in 1836 and 1836, a monk railed against
the Meese at Lords, bemuse they were net delft" justice to
ledend," and the of the filfaisa was reatemended In
emerenemee at their Yon wmt on, year after year,
Mommerwthrg mmallital expedients for the state of
ot Ire-
bed. Year ter yea were smiled upon by a powerful
Winking to do " belted," and the definition of
*dee to Ireland was, mehnilating the institutions of the
twoconatries. WA, the 'mediations of the two countries are
medmilated, sad yaw have get a peer-law, of which you now
empleio. ("No," sad " Yther.")Well, at last the consequence
it podgy to Ireland—the soesequases et explaining all
the ameba at that sentry emery bySitical muses—
:roc.' asethweitia no slcubt, the famine of
have hued se south, but w only precipi-
tated the seissinelem white you could sot have avoided.
What is the univereallyAdthowledged measure of the
people? Agitation. The political system of political agi-
tation by which you attempted to govern that country, and,
by so governing that country, propped n a political
in England,—that entirely f (near, ear.) 47.7,
you may say, that had it not been for the Whys of the po-
tato in more than one year, it would not have failed ; bat I
my that system taught the people to rely oa other energies
than their own—that it taught them to believe that there
were extraordinary means to support them—that taugovera
meat of this country must come forward to maintain tLm is
mostents of stiffening and depression. (Applause.) Well,
that system has failed. It is In vaia that you can NM he-
ward now with mock reforms and plans of income* bow
chime with any idea that you can convince the pimple of
England, whatever may be their political party, that them
are the means to secure the good government of Ireland.
(Applause.) What is next measure ? Do you take &lemon
from the dull e ce of the past, and do you at lest
attempt to grapple with the great evils which you an no
longer refuse to acknowledge ? That is not the course of the
government. (Hear.) The 03111110 of the government is to
come forward to acknowledge the existence of these inna—
te vir.nally acknowledge that they cannot remedy them,
sod to ask the people of England to supply them with tem •
or exceptional mean,—(hear, bear)—by which they
may 6oLter up a system which has broken down under them.
My ant objection to this objectionable vote is, that it relieves
the government from the responsibility which ought to de-
volve upon them. (Hear.) I use the felicitous epithet of the
right hon. gentleman the member for Ripon. (Hear, hear.)
Imy it was the duty of the government to have measures
prepared on the subject of the area of taxation—(hear,
hear)—oar the arrears of rates, and that ;they ought to have
brought forward some measure with reference to the lands
thrown up. (" Hear" and applause. 1 These I call statesman.
hke and comprehensive measures. But what to the measure
before us ? Is it an alternative ? Lit an alternative in Lien of
the measures the country had a tight to expect ? It is ac-
knowledged by them to be exceptional. How temporary it
is likely to, be has been stated. An hon. gentleman said
that it was calculated to last a fortnight. The hon. member
for Stroud said that lees than half a million sterling will not
suffice for the present year, in order to keep life among the
people. No member of the government has denied his
calculation, and it would be difficult for any member of the
government to deny the correctness of his cetimate, since
the very papers on the table of the house prove that
we can show that a larger sum is necessary. (Hear.) In-
deed, the other night when an hon. friend of mine impressed
on the house that an estimate of the expenditure in Ireland
should be laid on the table, we seemed to be hardly aware,
and the iovernment seemed to be hardly aware, that the
paper estimate was already furnished na. However, hon.
gentlemen will have no difficulty in finding out now, for
the paper is here, that the sum of 692,0001. is the calculated
expense of maintaining the population of the 21 suffering
unions. (lieu, hear.) Well, when the minister comes
forward, as he has to-night, and argued the whole
case on the vote of 50,0001. he is in fact, and
intro Tonally of course, palming a delusion upon
the house and the country. (Hear, hear.) This
day fortnight there may be another vote. (Hear,
hear,) ) And what will be your position at the end of the
session, and at the end of the year ? Will the habits of self-
reliance which we wish to encourage he fostered and
cherished by these systematic loans ? (Hear, hear.) Who
can flatter himself for a moment that when the House of
Commons meets again this time next year, the first recom-
mendation of her Majesty, and the first act of the minister of
the crown, will not be another appeal to the charity of our
constituents, unless, in the interim, those compre-
henries measures recommended by the honourable
member for Ripon be introduced. (Hear, hear.)
And what chance have you of obtaining the introduction of
these measures if you yield to those feelings wh:eh the
hon. gentleman, the member for Cockermoutb, has dilated
upon ? If you acknowledge that Ireland is to be looked upon
as a dy!ng beggar in the street, and you are prepared to
keep her alive for a fortnight, what chanty is it to the
people of Ireland? What justice is it to the people of Eng-
land ? (Cheers.) Now, there is another point of view in
which we ought also to consider this ease. We ought to
take some moral from the past, and having entirely failed in
governing Ireland by a system of organised political
agitation in alliance with a political party in England, we
ought to come forward and tell the people of England that
we are at least alive to our errors—Wet it is absolutely neces-
sary that a new system should be established, • new Gomm
of conduct pursued—that it is not enough to come forward
and say, in the phrase of a loose rhetoric, that Ireland has
unfortunately been the battle-field of party, but that we are
resolved henceforth that these feuds should cease, that these
' feuds should not be teetered for the aggrandisement of a
party in this country—that at a moment when the
spirit of the people in Ireland is softened by allo-
t ws think a befitting opportunity is afforded
' of reconstructing the society of that country in a spirit and
on a system which may produce very different results to
those which we have hitherto experienced. (Applause.)
But I ask you what chance you have of obtaining these re-
' suite, if you follow the policy which her Majesty's ministers
are now recommending to you ?—a policy which they de-
scribe u exceptional, when we want a policy that will be
aystemitic and permanent. I hops the Item, notwithstand-
ing all that has been said, will pane before they ratify this
vote. (Hear.) The noble lord at the head of the govern-
ment told us the other night of his extraordinery measures !
Why I object to this vote is, that it is not an extraordinary
measure. It is an ordinary manure, • vulgar measure ;
the last mean expedient of a government who know not how
to oope with the difficulties they are obliged to encounter.
What I wish to imprem upon the house ta, that they have a
responsibility. This measure must not only fail, lest fail
speedily. In a very few days—la a very few weeks at
moet—you will have a fresh appeal made to parliament.
You will have to make fresh explanations to your emit&
(mete. They may in the present Igraine* allow it to pees
in silence throughout the country, thinking itisavote of 60,000 i.
which is to save the lives of 200,000 penons. That Medea
may influence them, as it Me influenced the hoe. member
for Cockermouth. Bat when they NM they have saved the
lives of those 200,000 persons only for a fortnight—that in a
fortnight's time, or a month's time, a fresh appeal is to be
made to their feeling. and to their poekete—when they re-
member that even if a fresh meets is incurred they an
only getting deeper into the mire, and that ultimat*,
alter expending upwards of half a million, they will he
:14Vto face thus difficulties which now they with is
,d you may depend upon it the postale *Lan_ Them meth
ter of this house, who has no regard for the filelMge d bit'
mastituemM, will not be a very comfortable me, whose enly
vindiestica of his vote is sympathy for the :pooch of the
Clumeellor of the Exchequer. Meer.) I hope you will
hesitate before you esaetim this vote. I reknce that
this home has not allowend, the vote to pm over in
eme, • ome manmr. Thewhole at fa
question Inland was bound spar, beer.)
Mth this
vote, and askew they made a Mai es this maim he
saw nothing bat a future of eggneed eolleelog owl be-
pending distress for eve* kesself. (Hear.)
Mr. RICE would vote against the motion of tho hes.
member for Stroud, because he wished not to Wilma Ms
cesaltsents by selling them that wee a loan at It
never would be repaid, was in reality a great
hear, and laughter.) (leer,
Lord C. HAMILTON said that he was prepared to do-
bad the four law system, of which, curious to say, be was
general supporter, Nees the attacks made against it that
evening essenthat beelevantly; bat, as the subject was not
upon the }epee for illemeloe, be would not then enter
into it. He -would support the vete, because, as was said,
" the ham leas an are," and because he regarded it in
the light of a an-.cape. (Hear, and laughter.)
Mr. MOORE would support it, because he considered it
a questket of life and death with some thousands of his
fellow matures in Ireland.
Mr. P. WOOD protested against the construction that
those who append the vote were prepared to allow the pm .
pie to die. He, on the eentrary, opposed it, because
be wished to says ilsem from shinatiom (Hear, hear.)
Col. DUNNE said the owe was ono astern necessity.
Col. SIBTHORP avowed his detersriaation not to vote
with the government on say *moat.
Mr. HUME asked how it wee possible that this small
pint could give employment to the Irish which was what
Wry waited ? At the sad it a IbAafgilt they would be