The Express.
London, England, 1848-10-20 00:00:00

M-
r. Sun.—Then bites to this. (Ben Mr. Butt nod a
portion et Lamartine's work, and added) : Now repast that
after met I will not. (Laughter.)—Well, you say that Mr.
Meagher did not read that to the psople ? Inman' be did not.
—Do you mean to say that you wont to the muting
dotenalud to ban • speesh of otmo kind ar other Car-
Way not—Yon wars ,reed on Mr. O'Brien's triaL Did
you then repeat Mr. Motigher's speech ? Put of 11.—Did
you not than 'some young' that yea had net come pee•
pared to repeat Mr. Mugher's speech ? I did; bat I pre
theireater part of ft.—Bat you are prepared to give it now,
ha refreshed your memory ? Ifes.—Did you repeat all
Mr. Brim said to -day that you repeated for him at his
trill t Yea—Did you repeat now them remarkable woods—
"ln times gone by, floss of my blood wee seised?" I did.
On ”rm. oath, do you say that you stated that to ? Cer-
mh4 I did.—(Mr. Batt was hers reminded that the witum
had given this testimony on his direct emanation.
Mr. Batt then applied to be allowed to reed the sworn
inixmation of the witness, in order to examine it ea to its
with the evidence.
Chief ustiee Blackburn* said Mr. Butt was entitled to

take the information In Ws bead, sad.ezeadne him upon it
to say extent; but if he read any puegraph of it, thee the
whole doeament mart be read.

10.11entorith pest Mont, submitted that the authorities
entitled him to reed a gretio• without going over the whole.
Chief Jmtlas Blackburn.—Thrire one ieflexible rule,
that in • court ofjerties no parts of documents shall be real.
lir. Butt here must& the witness to repeat his state-
ment about the Fres& 6444, when the witness repeated
it, but rpm it that the Prinafre-ship, and not Mr. Meagher.
soak from dm with enemy at" Long live the Republic."
He was not very me whisk if tha two was the right way.
He took it that Mr. Member wee referring to himself at the
Sm. Witham never corrected his testimony, or altered it
beet one sentenos to the other. He had not swore posi-
tively that he did not alter the latter sentence about the
my from " which then arse," to " which shall arise."
Wftness repeated this meth to himself yesterday. lie did
es three or feet times, while walking up end down the per
is, the court anodds. He had done the same with Mr.
O 's speech before his Sid.
Theisper was then again= witness's hands to TO-
N& memory about the and aura the grass.
Kr. New tell me what Mr. Meagher said abort the
liseehip ? He mid—which (the dreekin) sank from view
with ~fearingcry of " Lem live the Royablie," whisk seem to
as of gennetases then mbons.—Then, in point of
ihig, tis different from what you new say, and you mis-
ifse 71abari purport of the observation ? I did.—
Welitthth is sad maid. Now, you are certain
the Se my you mid was to arise now, had, in fed,
MOM Isms op? Yes.—Why have yes not gives um the
lest memo of Mr. lisegimr's meoh ? I do sot stoollset
1314 attention was drawn of by sonteds4? the erowd.
I —WM you swear that he said whim in of trial by
tate Yes, I will. No, I will, eat.—Disk he praise the
mastitutbre ? lam certain he did not,
e odd xamined.—Wrespecting
the visit of
itners woe is Cat
ities
1 Mr. O'Brien end Mr. Member to Carr& ea that day.
Also saw • mesa named Otway with them Is Mr. Par
sells window. He me there while Mr. 8. O'Brien addressed
the meting. There were 3,000 or 4,000 parsons preens.
On his return to his barrack, he took notes of what Mr.
O'Brien bad said.
Mr. Banal called for the informatics& of the witness, yid&
erre handed to him ; end he then proceeded to depose to the
weeds used by Mr. 8. O'Brisn on the 00t•Skel.
Mr. Bausse.—Now, state what Mr. Meagher raid. Wit-
ness : I wish te know, my lords, if I ern to state any chwur
same occurring to as after swearing my &semi& ?
Attormy-Oessnd t You are to state what yen now re.
Witness: Mr. Meagher &sad to tie mist ef
Mr. Kinkel and his transpiration. He odd me of the
most tales& and gifted of the young ciders, was taken
from mem* them by means or a peeked jury, and I saa
set my whether it we perjured or bloody judges. Fart
some time I 'mkt net hew the word, at alt. There was e
greet deal of the mash, and many of the words, that I son
have so resoUesties of at all. He raid deo that many of
time around him bad children, end that, in thirty years to
ante, when armed by some young spirit, like him, to •
spisit of revenge, they might complete the work they left
middle& mid bine revenge for the bloody graves of their
&hem. I dent know exactly the words, end any words I
est& set hear Mr. Mesgher speak I thought it better to
emit. The witness was requested to repeat the words, but,
In repeating them, did not make any mentiosof "Moody
grim."
Csaremoined by Mr. Whiteside.—l gave • ropy of the
ieloessatits to Mr. Wm Jones end another to Mr. Roth.,
onriespester. I subssmeatly lade a ropy of it for &NIL
And I wan sorry to hear, in your address to the jury, that
yna did net state my 'vide's', as I stated it (laughter). Mr. I
Whleide : Could you repeat what I rid ? Mo.—Could
von tell me the sentence in which I alluded to yourself ?
Yoa stated that I swore that ea the morning I entered the
court, I made a copy of it, and I dem that
altogethar.—Did yen not say this : "This paper wee
written dam I came to Clonmel ? " But that ma
not the mendeg Iwe examined. I said I made • copy
since I ems to ammel, and that I distinetly told you.—
Him you anything else to say ? No.—Pahaps you would
wish to address the jay ? Oh, no. (laggister.)—Then, in
point if we, after yen ,were your information, some kw
days before were wain& you made an oddities*,
your information, and 'brought it here to reksh
=et& ? In that MINT tlessr Si net • does mutsio,
from my information in reepset to If r. O'Brien ;
bat shore ere circumstances I recollect esmerning Mr.
Meagher whisk I could not remember &ea BM idled'
upon to swear informotisos.—Now, I ask yeses yew math,
did you not bring the pew to refs& yew mewl 10 I did
brim this pew, end I have mattimell new* &osmium,
I did not mention in that paper. &died to the mod
that I wee about to stabs • eirensoloise I did asiosidleet
when I swore my inforniatice.—Now, ten you repeal this ?
itedon. edsrapictly) "A raeresnary informer knows no dis-
Undu sash • tystent lb, einsesions pseple are
slaves." Witnsm Oh (Lev yrs
repeat this ?If you stop there I me. tlonigherew.) ter.)—But did
sot Mr. Meagher veil very rapidly? can you
repeat this : A mermary informer &rem no disbuds**.
Dander oath • system the obnoxious popes are slaves., not
only to the government, but they live at the mercy of every
individual. They are at ono, the slaves of the whole com-
munity, and of every part of it; and the worst and most
unniercifid men are those on whose goodness they most de-
pond. In this situation men not only shrink from the frowns
of a stern magistrate, but are obliged to fly from their very
species. The seeds of destruction are sown in civil inter-
course and in social habitudes. The blood of wholesome
kindred is infected. The tables and beds are surrounded
with mares. All the mans given by Providence to make
life safe and comfortable are perverted into instruments of
terror sad torment"? Witness: I don't think there is a
ma in the court would do it. (Laughter.)—You may go
dotness : I say the word " spy is not applimide to
e. I was only in the discharge of my duty.
JAR Geary, a polloyounstable, also gave evidence re.
sporting the speech of Mr. Meagher at Curick-or.
His report of the passage referring to the French fire-ship
dinsred from the other mortis. He represented Mr.
Meagher to have said, " The French ere-ship that sunk and
rose again to show to the world the be of • glorious
republic."
cross-examined by Mr. Batt.—Wrote out the speech next
day. Had a perfect recollection of it.—Mr. Butt : Then re.
posit for me.—Attorney-General: Surely the witness canlook
through the document to refresh hie memory.—Mr. Butt: He
eannot. The cromexamisatioa would be to no impost If
he were allowed to do SO. Witnast endeavoured to r
the report without rdinvieg to his notes, but failed toer:t
o
correctly, though he said holed read his notes that morning.
—Mr. Batt: Can you repeat one sentence (no answer) ?
Come, I will give you two words, " French firrship." Wit-
ness " The French &redo that suck beneath the waters,
end rase again, showing forth to the world the benefits of a
glorious republic."—Were you ever degraded for drunken-
ness? No, Did yon lose service for drunkenness?
Yes ; I lost five years senior.—Can you tell me one son-
Mos of the speech Mr. Meagher &erred ? Witness.—l
have already repeated it.
Mr. Gore Jones, stipendiary
.ungistrate, rive evidence ra-
ges& the visit of Kr. O'Brien and Mr. Meagher to Car-

L. Will Las, head suitable, was then called.
Mr. Whiteside had a statement to submit to the wart.
From the attornergeneral's opening statement be under-
stood that from the tone of the evidence already shoe, Mr.
Meagher never amen except for a short period oa Friday
night on the Common, and therefore the same of
evidence now to follow, ought not to be received. The at
mind connection of Mr. Meagher with the rile at Mullins.
hose, SiLLaaanie, &c., was entirely ,of a derivative kind, for
his guilt depended upon the guilt of =other • and there was
no evidence that he had lathed to the ideal:els acts "hi&
wen afterwards done.
The Attorney•Gaseral thought no ease had been more
settled than the admission of the evidence each as he now
proposed to give. The indictment charged against the pri-
son" was to levy war, and the levying of war was the ides-
tied act which war afterwards dose. The place where or
the mode how this was to be levied was a mere aocidint,
which did sot enter into the essence of the ease.
Mr. Butt was the. heard, and contended that, as Mr.
O'Brien's sans wee set mentioned in the indictment as an
=iswith Mr. Meagher, the crown ought not bi be
10 roltevidasse of Mr. O'Brien's acts against the
primer. ha eentended that it was not enough to
shower incitement to treason ; for then
the of a libel would be exposed to the
of Mama ; but that it must be shown be com-
mitted the particular sets of theism
Chief Justice Blackburn.—We arealleksarly of i,on that
this evidence ought to be received. There ma oe—no
matter what its value—that there was a mmepiney and incite-
ment Ulm war ; sad the Mein SOW @satiety were prepared
then 'nines of warhavieeggben actually levied. In treason
thin were so were traitors. Hale said that
if divers inspired to levy war, and war was levied, then the
sot ninon was to be charged against all the conspirators ;
for ia treason there wen no sexesories. After the evidence
the crown has gives in this see, we mut move the re.
minder.
Mr. Whiteside.—Will your lordship be good though to
make a note of that, es we should wish it removed /
Chief Justice Bleacher's—Oh, yes. But we an bound
by the author, of Hale.
Chief4uspogitice threrty.—And than art pampa in Fodor
which
The examination of Whams wee than promoted with,
sad be detailed the proeseduip at Mullinakone, as he bad
done before on the previous trials He added .to his former
oviaaass that he baud Mr. O'Brien toad a saes hems book.