The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-08 00:00:00

Cpl that milledy takes this arm en bays
gp beta" 114 dieretera, we emir pressed." The
▪ re quoin was are no mew le the geatleines •ho
gmeArd she Heater Priories Seamy, that they owed re-
▪ ad time her semaideration—(hear, bear) sad mirth,
SW bra we, that that rimy, berg Is eimmenisedem
glib Mews= Idhsw real bean througlarel Ile
grid her gram • Imo m the operadems et sil irl. n-
mead. (Rear, bear.) Imbed et aileagiter Or spores
albare day, aad so spotting • adept ages It, it
awe bees
_they wadi ell se sees sad
mg the heal prsimilesls sales& Remelleging the
Olen end eimessler d thene solamea pellisemo
who leek the lost in the Pegesellee itifkiy, he mai set
babe that led • aemsmrkeshm ghee hulk ham
I=lire et their Kew% esermhing like •
would bees bees swat/ wheeled in
do • wises both se the temo SSA be
Map se ether armada them that thus. moil be MIS
pledgees er dean attempts to hail .het that at
lama mestist of
_the Central Preemies sty it would
be slide "We Wordad offiseetallsbetra a thenessistioa
galls imer, you me, bee tea, ad that
kerg the mess hew en me peek the pee is Elrod ?"
per, ham) Re AK met Eke Oa as Km( forms, bat he
✓ed esp, that • body of WM 11111110011 is that maims did
net also daerity la the care. (01Mem.) Re would amt go
Wad that. (Laughter.) Unless eta end antmertheary
seitheis were made there was no thessee gf ellelege. Much
Oa had lon been devoted to the objeet by Novena wive
esembere of this arsociation, who had theta a midi.
sea to trench upon their reszazenany
scan en t in der to keep the k
• ; and they had not been met by the sigestry at
large in the manner that they ought to Beira begs. It be-
hoved every pendent man to look 41M1.111 illsimlllllll and it
was mot true courage to attempt that mils\ prised
few desperate, and he should certainly he to lad that
they had set been thrown back by the andest of the eerie-
men mho met ia Bond-west on the preview day. (Hear,
hem.) It bad f w • long time bee. his saved that the
lessatry of Bs lend must work oat their owe salvation.
(Cheers.) He did not know that they had any righ: to ex•
pest a body of men who were the pestering of landed pro-
perty to mite any steps which were supposed to be calculated
be bales themselves; but if, from sae ease or other--sad
he did net here allude to political causes aline—the tendency
of Is bygone times had bees sash as to cast mole
of ILe pubis boMens on some than ea ahem the. would
dirty Ss *Wire in ed.g say Ensue at their dipenal to get
the age Jerry opeortioned. (Class.) Whatever
Fithe Protestlea Seekers rail give, *NA( one, should
eseept ; ryes, he most say, they had seen. (Hear,
Re 'resides/pet that it should be a part of the
%diem of that day to prepare se, immediate appeal to the
heal protection societies, and has learn that it their proper
bead were not disposed to give them any dirge, ion, this asso.
theta are prepared to oci-operato with them ; and there
111111111 be this aelditionel advantage instating such a cane
—they would ascertain whether the infirmness which were at
week in Bond-street were also at work is the provinces
=rhear)—and whether or sot farmers were so fettered
acy could not move independently. Without such an
hathendest movement ho despaired of the attainmeut of
la abject ; and be watid thetefon conclude by repeat-
ing*. saggeetion that a forcible appeal should be drawn
up end at once transmitted to ths local societies throughout
seenter,
Mr. FRE 'NEN, M.P.. said that though he had always
been a protectionist he did not below( to the Central Protmc-
tla defy. Ile could not doubt, however, that the Duke
of Richmond and Sir John Tyrall were thoroughly sincere.
(Hear, ricer.) It appeared to him that the holding of a
large proterioa mewing at Willies Booms, and a strong
public **steed en of opinion with regard to the repeal of the
melt tax, would carry with it far more weight than a rem.
loam peed by • conmittre. The course pinned by ill::
Panel= Sauter should not he hastily condemned, fir a
pespeement for a short period might be, calculated most
•Ihroally to advance the object. (Hear, hear.)
At the request of Mr. LATTIYOIIII, the SICIISTAZT then
meta remitatise vaned on the 13th of June, 1847, is favour
I▪ lstoostliate repeal, which coadeded by galling on the land-
oweere, Imarn, sad Inhabitants of towns to join in demand-
ing theimmediete abolition am obascion ea impost.
Mr. LATTIMORE said he rose to propose a resolution in
otiosttlasoo with that which bad jest bees read. He would,
beaver, first make a few observations on the peculiar poli-
ties of the question at that moment. The meeting had now
hurt that the greeest care bad been takes to collect the
sentiments of ad parties connected with the soil who wire
imoorable to this righteous movement ; and b. must my,
that ay*? regard to the information which had been re
°eked that day, be could not units with Mr. Shaw
in recommending another appeal to the different
protective societies; and for this reason, that haying sot
as an.wer from the collective body, it was useless to appeal
to the separate sone. ice. At the meeting I. 1847, he had
elposed and carried • resolution to the elect that this amo-
ion did set independently in pursuit of its object; nor
was he now prepared to abandon that ground. (Chinn.)
Masters and members of parliament met them with the
question—" What substitute do you propose " Now there
were two ways of facing that difficulty. One was economy
and retraehment, the other the creation of new taxes ; and
if pewees who preteeeed to be favourable to the object wou;d
support neither of these, their sincerity was questionable.
H. thought they might all Mara something from the
mesa' of the previous day. (Hear, hear.) Mr.
C bah .nt's sane= w‘s announced long before
the meeting of parliament ; and the leaders of the Protection
Society had bad plenty of time to devise a course of action.
Yet they prop ad a postponement of this question until
after the ministerial budget had been presented, when itwould
doubtless be sail that nothing could be dons in the present
sessiun. (Hear, bear.) He fait bound to say something in
reply to oberrvarious made by members of the House of
Commove. He had been told that oae hon. meciab,r had
remarked at the wain on the previous day that he did
not believe the repeal of the malt tax would of er all do the
inn n any good. That gentleman must surely be
either deaf cot salons to the evidence which had
bus laid before the meeting on the subject. As far
bask as 1816, they had tie testimony of the We
Hem of Leicester to the iajorimareas of this tax. To say
that a duty of 70 per sea wee ;not injurious to the praiser
ins to my what was opposed to all goad commercial stair-
ass. He maintained that se the price of barley fell, the
dety on malt apparently berme mere oppressive, and in
Hertford, which was one of the largest barley markets, the
Maria descriptions were sold daring the last month se low
as 25.. per Tauter. But there was • mode of retailing malt,
which tended to Maras the pries of the article when a duty
was imposed. Such, indeed, was th • Ganda of duties in
the ea of all minable articles. The malt of the present
state of things wee, that the farmers bad to give 18 bu,hals
of barley, is order to obtain eight bushels of malt in return.
He defied any gentleman to goateed succeserully
that that sum not an injury. Another point
in favour of repeal was this. The progress of the
country wasted to obtain a cheaper article or
foil—the raw material of beef and mutton. With
that view it was important to lower the price of oil oaks ;
but there wee another article of food nearer home. (Hear,
hear.) By mesas of the abolition of the malt tax the farmer
would be enabled to use, in feeding animals, what was sow
brought fete the market at an unnaturally maenad price.
An ingenious friend of his had made • calculation of the
advaatages derivable by the community from the repeal of
this impost. If, he said. the coat of mast were reduced ld.
per lb. by the unrestricted use of con and pulse, it would be
bass that, allowing ow pound of mot pm week for each
laniard, and estimatlag the
_population of Greatßritain and Ireland at 14,00%000 the sails would
=oat in ass year to 6,040031., a am which
sanded the smear now ablained ham the tax
itself. (Hear leer.) Every larmiermer be aware
that the rarity fee hie rental sad be the eumployment of
labour was based an the keeping cep of a sew supply of
mann foe his lead. If enough 'sad net be get at home,
it word the* be time ameagh to go alma; bat they should
net neglect their home freezer, pm ellow the pennant,
is collecting its revenue, to destroy the mere of producing
the food of the country. It the parties it which land was
new placed, it was acessary that fawn thereld have the
free •,.d unrestricted use of their energise, sad be enabled to
grow those crops whisk were meet sedtabie to their
requirements. It was well, haws, for eaamp:e, that
there was • peat deal of land is the ecemy, which
would not grow wheat at all, withal the is
process of other crops, and with a view,
therein", be the feeding of the palation, all
elan shoed join this association. Mr. M'Culloch
estimated the proportion of arable lands fa this gantry an-
arum sirs with barlay at 1-13th of the ether tomtit", or
900,000 air a. In Nor,olk, Lineman, sad sae Sher well-
cultivated distrSts the properties' sows seavally wee ea-
fourth. The consists:cm was inevitable that ailtzeigglM
tic, of the leavy lands whisk weal
were asset thrown out of Salivation %wag spenthie tf
the melt tax. He thought be mild ant do baler the.
statist to the views of late Earl of Leisseter, as ex-
rtes the nth Mara, 1116. Upon the Chancellor of
allempur pang nodes of kis intention to propose the
distenliasage of the " war milt lax," Mr. Coke sell •
Re bald ds meseme at thigh the our duty es salt as Mamba
as the met prwillibm NW ma the nisi and
mess of lbe ishesalle of the . flies ImZerail=
the emmg of Mew admnsges a same saishntmg Mum and
ide void ache hem
esis w mum aim emelle et
Pearlegbenry. most Sharer% sod meld as be mei is the
Wee et what. Ottalibmi hem Ilneses eat of um figegsalfot WS*
Mee Ms prams of The samsessmo to the ham= is
where the lend was Mos is any ether yen el Orme
Ihlltdesnalied be menileele m theesemie be able Sebring
tab bad tibia Immeleihns wolf ast emoseageme foes
he** Yaw.

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" ao Immo 0 Wades: observed:
Mot doollon fooodomo log Om web. is • booth (to two
Worm to Midi ho vos NM bo abilt) of WOW doabOcoo. tho
NW Isol MI low&—vta. Mt fi Woof No ma loomoi. Imo
t. *wan dl *by M mar Ile burden by vbieb lbw
"ft eloomol. babe amosolls animal lbomivos.
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_Otis No; MOWN Peas;aby made • mouth whisk
w Vomiters) potivaltalyesseuthiled to theeilloothet
of ambers el the athellesiss. Ho sold tbat
111 irmsere al the Cloalther etas latteeetar we weds% do
wootior ot poor thourehot. It dr dolt icor prams sod
Pia tollellielie had hie WA to ftwoodoos Ito Imirr aoI the aoloy
'wan voldos tdo ark do loom Ws Ind bon _wool dr poor mod ar doportod drowsolda Is door.
•••••_;lat to of it wood le so rind to to do of
red wt. I. yds dm won Oro to Ildrode owl doslend tholt
soldsotit thit sod iholtropotorodro olloodod
to tros ortirrio, wait mood Ids adrotsts of dr NOVO SI
7W Millar tram Itild Ida Cdrodlir at dr
cow or rind to pre old id =dim ot dr di.
wilib4lairal_
M" or tow rot to port with two =Um me% • ••
Wirt adieu Wei do pear.
nor ebasethelses et Hr. Piossaby were at host as
deethable sow et et the doe whoa they were Ithis. He
in' On lambs, to aiaddledea se that, that the army, lath
mwbad haw ytheteaely weed by large reakaridee ; yet
~few alleetraeds the ert tax was refuted by the
rid or. Th
"'me C owl theastal that tax mee=
e et the Bari .1 Leicestty, r

lie alightd ebb al duty co the ealthasism of the
ad Malt oat ho Igis aNamy cessidered. Mt. Peens
W WM lbws OM day dial Mrs
meant ig Sunk tor whisk me Immlotngsg:ll.llllVai:
Postage the
hod was et that damdpleambigh pow
mane of of Wary.
Mr. FILSWIIII intimated that it was so.
Mr. LATTIMOILI greeted that, as web wag the awe
Kr. Preens weld &atom Ms bigefro loodoeimmg ea la
pima. mad moils go Mena egg Mg NO len Me agbask a
maga of throwing the Indent of milluellga. Whin be
maildsmi all dialled pommies eats sable , has the debate
In Mid down to lbw moan if sib W. Ingle* ia
amid sae day err reshaped alms em nemt. sad egal
Irma the lastimmilimod laded lowa te the ha soaM
n
mot help Is the geodneles that the efllr. PO5-
1110:02etwa. at ...pods& sod hat
And, litlisaignsult at dile pima {te
stel he
biped they would Leaks sawn les 141 quiselems and s-
lut It from mew _ (thogra) He thee mend a garthden,
*data, the sologlogon to unite with the Limped
Ftau-
eW Reform Autedatins. sad with all other acikise, to ob-
WA the repeal of them& la; sad, wick that view, to an-
gst, a reduetioa Mao pais ImpuellSare.
Mr. TAUNTON agenda the resslatioa. If be bad to
address the younger Membeso of aside funilles, oboes sole
object woe to Aloha govememeat appolatmaate. he should
despair; of Nuking nig inersoisa; bat.. he saw aroused
lam a portion orw helmet 'mammary of as 'matey, ha
thought hit dens as poises omelet's. would sot be in
vin. The present magma Ps suitable for the
enerptis penult of dMklibiegie the pima. there
Wm • eomidarable hopsommat la dm smanse. He had
always elbowed that emit a pedal ems the bmg a.. to ark
for tat removals* redentlen of as eimmdemspailis %masa
end be had foram maimed, OM Meg who Pm dem in the
6-1 d ware the fret to map the bomb eta erthing
(Heartlfass.) I. pamaing their objem dry &bald act like
men Mahe world, and sot reject affsiy sedgeme•_,_ from what-
ever quarter it might be of-red. abeam) They should
especially hear in mind " Aide-tar bad tes;efern." They
might depend spas it that they bad ser gush friends in the
world an themselves. (Laughter.) He won disposed to show
all possible essertasy to the Protection 8 misty, bat the rape-
ranee whisk he had had of that body led him to attach but
alight value to its aid. (Hear, hear.) When they went to
the ecomosittee of that society, all they eiuld elicit was,
" Oh, you are very excellent proms, s.d we shall be happy
to see yew another da • bat let's pat the meter off for a
math, end then men about it." (Laughter.) If
tikoy Mal with peeameklais sew, it was not impossible that
Muir gelltude wouhlprodose mese effect on the gentlemen who
would Weed the mowing to be held a month honor.
(LanOtear.) Even the sentiments of*. members of aM.
Übe Game were 00aletielf s strenatheaed and emboldened by
them of their emstituents properly announced to them bo•
fore haled. (Laughter.) There wee another reason besides
the improvement ut the revenue way the present time was
peculiarly favourable for the agitation of the repos; of the
maxis:. The French government having been brought to
the veer of bankruptcy by the absurd nationil workshops.
contemplated a grand reduction of the national army and
navy. Could any thing be mere f 'donate than the fact that
• similar disposition was now springing op in this country ?
There were the two greatest nations in Europe or
the world pouts, under the weight of taxation ;
and if one of them would strike off halt of its fleet and army
the whet. would, no doubt, follow the example. Let Eng-
land and France combine, and neither country need fear an
itemise-I, even from Russia herself. The present was, then,
• time to join la the cry for reduction end economy. (Hear,
hear.) It wee now thought absurd to propose to revert to
the expenditare of 1835; but if the v 'lee of the people were
properly third he did not despair of seeing such a reduction
effected se would at least be equivalent to a substitute for
the malt tax. (Hear, hear.) If they put off action until the
government budget bed beat developed they would be told
that they wire too late. In order to succeed they
must be prompt ; sad let theta not say that because
mai* parties had formerly obtained a boon to
the injury of the farmers they wo ild not have their
assistance. (Hear, bear.) They mast accept as mecelates ell
who could help thew, and take advantage of vulgar prejudice,
rash caps. limner, and kalf-fona, d p.hefeal economy. It was
not their policy to stand like philrinphers, correcting and
blaming those wht were offering to assist them. (Cheers.)
Sinew fras tide was the cry, let them all join in it. They
had free trade In alahaMer mantel-pieces, but they wanted
free trade in bricks to bull !the ehhaneys ; they had free-
trade is hominy, but that would not make so good a bullock
as malt. (Hear, hear, and Lau hter ) Consistency—the most
precious jewel in a minister's sown—(laughter)—ooosis•
tenet' was what they wanted and shoi.ld demand, and to be
consistent the government must give them free trade in malt,
the native produce. of the British farmer. It had often been
said that in order to reach an Englishman's heart,
you must speak to him through his belly.
The beer drinkers were especially interested in the
repeal of the malt tax; and where did they exist in
such abundance as In the manufacturieg towns ? (Hear,
hear.) True, such persons bad hitherto louked upon farmers
as monopolists, sad persons who wished to make their meat
and beer as dear as possible ; but pains should now be taken
to make them rasognise in them those who were desirous of
making an important beverage cheap. They should thee
endeavour to get the town population on teeir side. If
they could obtain any help from Protection Societies let
them do so, but let them on no account wait for it. (Cheers.)
He did not attach the slightest value to any mistime to be
obtained from the leaders of the aristocracy. He had him-
, self been a member of Protection Societies, bat he would
have nothing mom to do with them, belleviag, as he did,
the coarse pursued by them would never lame la say
amendment in legislation. (Hear, hear.) In seariluslas,
he cordially secesded the resolution proposed by Mr. Int&

Kr. W. SHAW objected to the reference made in the re-
solution to the Liverpool Financial Retorts Anxieties as
itteonsistent with the °Actual and (sedimental object of the
society. Ile had no doubt that the members of that amen
Sao were actuated by good motives, end that their labours
would practically produce a good effect as rsninled the ma-
nagement of the ninny's finances; bat the association
haring been fanned simply to obtain the repeal of the malt
tax, In doubted the Deovnet7 of their consenting themselves
with say asseciatios Ting a different object.
Mr. LATTIMORE would, in order to secure unanimity,
do anything which did not involve a sacrifice of principle ;
but he could not perry concession further.
Mr. SHAW then mond an amendment, to the effect that
the wade " the Liverpool Financial Reform Aesceintiss "
be omitted.

FIaYDON seconded the amendment.
Mr. DAVY supported the original resolution. He bad
always supported free trade, but It was In the espeetardon
that the agriculturists, as well as other classes, would avail
themselves of its advantage,. ( Hear, hear.) He bed ilismed
part of a deputation which waited apes Lord hem Hessen
last year on the subject of the malt tax. His Medi* ap-
peared to be deeply impressed by the arguments of Mr. Lat-
timore, bat the purport of hi+ reply was that, hogrover the
malt tax might enhaace the prim of food end Minee farmers,
that was not a time to remit taxation. They meet therefore
be prepared with some suggestion, like that involved in the
resolution. As ibr the Protection Society, he could indulge
no sanguine infestations as to the revolt of its proceedings;
knowing, es be did, that its leaden were interested In male-
min tag the annillim as , and the other public establish.
ts wan at die scab of expenditure. There
I was n, chasm the repeal of the seat tax, or of
any other Loped, enmpt the &demon of retrench-
ment and the of ihe pablie expeaditere ; and on
this ground be sbeeld eels he the origlasi modes.
Mr. SHAW raid ilmit as his sole Ajest was to avoid mis-
chief to the moiety, be led no objection to a deelaretion that
It would unite with lemiewners, Jansen, the inhabitants of
towns, or any darn mbeterer, for the furthersoce of the
ebtset
lr. ELVY, ef declared that if the moieties
went forth with theme's to by Mr. Sheer he should
withdraw from the esedidiss._ _ _ _

Kr. F. HOBBS araddsrad that tho praalloal forams pea-
sant at tha awl% ea His provisos day had lima dm&
solves as WWI is am M faveur of tits rapai star salt
tar. Four illhsafths body throwelcsat the flsswars, I
he believed, strongly in favour of Neal rd Issmadisto
re-
peal. Many of ihe highs, claims, lawwww, while they
professed to nabs with the farmers, wore Is fast their post-
set amain; he alluded, not to the Cemal l'astassisa Ow
=alone, bat to may members of thoaristassasy mammy
peprieters (Hear.) Whenever farmers had ssmaker.
ward ia favoar of may *Meet which was likely to maim
to the isspeomaent apisaltare, My had bout last ha away
that they weglit sot to line bees, then of whisk was
afforded by the maples given to tesant-righa ignalies
is the last musics. Dadra at the neat meeting motels par.
eons came forward and aided them In a very Mims* ma-
w, the sooner the Protection Society was dishasdad the
Mow. (Cheers.) Ho Pined with Mr. Shaw is
may Warms to ths Liverpool Fissahl

lir. TAUNTON thought it meet importeat that they
should disown the signs el the thus. (Hear, hoer.) la his
opinion it was geed milky br rumen to some aid Lora any
quarter which was prepared to render it. (Heir, hear.)
Mr. HOBBS reminded tbs mesetiar that tits Duke of
Rielemed bed alwsgs !mem eel was atW, a tiemissest &dep-
oses of** repeal el the seek tom
Mr. SHAW Imre stated that beefs,. sines he
his sessadmmt. examined the Meisel remission, hit=
that kis siesesion did net go far eseash. He desired to
emit ell reilmesse to Suess' sad ntremshment.
The OHATIMAN believed it was net competent to Mr.
haw W aim • mead ameadmsat, bat of mares may
oribra patlemen beiding siseihr views might do so, and thus
the desist 'Mr. Shaw wenlet be offeemd.
Mr. SHAW aims withdrew his seessidesent, sad the fel-
lowing sae was by lir. CLATDON :
nag thhe mow waif es sti•opseats Midi mil mistime, sea
aid them is all mamma to Mak at arty Is mortis
esti of eremsm.
Mr. HOBBS smanded this amendment, and observed that
by the meratitatSsa of the sosiety its object wee expressly
limited to the Wel meal of the malt tax.
lir. DAVY esnineiled that while sash was this avowed
dims, diem wee ale seem why it sheald set be t
through • Maiden is the public ex
when that was miles* essential to V W.'
t.
(Hear, bur.l
Mr. !SHWAS, M.P., said that the Mika object ol the
Wing be.. to skein OM repeal of the melt tax, he
the meting Mail net Sedate ilea IL
figUTH. fleasatmilbeirtm. {tyska pseelimities of
the S
amsMgt ant to be ha been slated
oa all sides will use bratisilmersaill • sabstitate In the
met tan. Why, ps)bedil they be peedaded tram say
reference to the migesillase I (Sear, bem.) The
alteratios whisk mesa* taken pima be tbsk position
should Maks them lees this-shinned-4 hoer, hear,)—end he
mold see no been., imperially when other parties were seek-
ing different slimes, la • *ogres. ion that their object might
be secevel by Sem et retrenehment. (Cheer.)
SILIRS asatesded that the smociation ought
Sot to debar itself ftiS taking any mans deemed expedient