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clauses were distinct or united, that ii, whether the house
could pass one while they rejected the others
Lord (1. BENTINCE. said that they were connected, but
not Inseparably connected. Each would stand on its own
merits, thoug:i each had a bearing on the other.
Sir Ci. GREY thought that the clause of the noble
lord would have the effect of throwing the entire bard, n
on the occupier, which he thought would not be right.
To the principle of the clause he had no objection, bat to
apply it so Ireland tinder present circumstances, he thought,
would be extremely inconvenient. What was the state of
things in Ireland at this moment? Practically, the laid-
lord was directly taxable fur about two millions, while the
remaining eleven millions,to which the Irish roe tel amoun'ed,
were rated to the tenant. The latter was entitled to charge
half to his landlord, and he feared that the clause proposed
by the noble lord would injuriously increase his liabiAy.
Whatever might h. he ultimate justice of the noble 1 rd's
principle, he did not feel justified in assenting to its ri cog-
nition during the present year.
Mr. SHAW surported the clause. In his opinion it would
act beneficially in giving the occupying tenant as inter.. st in
keeping down the rate. If Ireland was to have the E iglish
Poor Law, let her have its advantages as well mite d fecta.
Mr. BROTHER'fON moved that the chairman should
report progress. (Cries of "Oh, oh" and ' Go in.")
Capt.' HARRIS thanked the noble lord the first u.inister
of the crown for goppling with so difficult a subject as that
of providing relief fur the Irish poor. He did not see, how.
ever, why they should not have the English law, an.; there-
fore why the occupier should not be liable for the rat s.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE supported the clause. It would
make the occupier interested in keeping down Co rates,
which would after all eventually fall upon the land.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that the Irish ten' rats did
not ask for the proposition of the noble lord. Ihe hon.
member for Northamptonshire spoke of extenilhg the
English poor-law to Ireland, but he denied that they could
extend a system of three or four centuries 'tent.' og to a
country like Ireland, where it was but newly in' roduced.
He warned the committee that a more dangerous or destruc-
tive proposition than that of the noble lord could es' be pro
posed.
Mr. P. SCROPE said that the proposition rot a most
outrageous one, and could only originate in a house :oroposed
of landlords.
Mr. SHAW asked whether the landlords of En2' and paid
a shill:ng to the rates.
Mr S. CRAWFORD said they had no right ' 4 impose
such a burden as this would be upon the occupiers if land in
Ireland. The Irish tenant had no option but t . take the
land on the terms proposed by the landlord. H, mounted
against such a proposition as that proposed by ae noble
lord, and if carried it would create nothing but d ,turbaace
in Ireland. (Hear.)
The committee divided—For the clause

Against it 79-3
Sir G. GREY proposed a clause providing that additional
land may be occupied by the guardians.
The clause having been agreed to,
The Chairman then left the chair. The report , rdercd to
be received on Wednesday neat
Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to a question from Mr.
Got:Lnon_e, intimated that he should move the th rd reading
of the bill on Monday, the 12th of April.
ARMY SERVICE BILL. _

Mr. F. MAULE intimated that as it was very dasirable to
proceed with this bill, he should propose that the house ,do
meet this day at twelve o'clock.
Sir H. DOUGLAS strongly objected to so triconstitu-
tional a proceeding as discussing bills of such impurtance at
mornin sittings. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. GOULIIURN also thought it exceedingly hard to ask
the house to meet again at twelve after aitung till two.
(Renewed cries of " Hear, hear.")'
Mr. 8. HERBERT said no one would attend at twelve
o'clock. There were various important committe s sitting,
and many members had already left town.
Colonel SIBTHORP said these twelve o'cloc' sittings
were only arranged in order that bills might be muggled
through parliament. He was sorry to find the present go-
vernment would attempt such a practice.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to say that if the dis-
cussion on the bill could be taken on the third reading, he
would not press the morning sitting.
Sir H. DOUGLAS patented to this course, end it was un-
derstood in consequence that Mr. Fox Mettle's. proposition
was withdrawn.
The house adjourned at a quarter past 2.

DRAINAGE OF LANDS BILL.
DrvivioN In favour of thz woad reading of this Bill, an I against
Cal. Sibthorpc'e amendment, that the house should adjourn,
Are, I ; Non, 49.

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t3lkthorraf. and Mr. C. Berkeley.
NOES.
Adderley, C. B. DMldiom, P. 11. Atacnamars, Maj.Pahner, Ttnbert
Airliouby, H. A. Duckworth, flirJ.M.Cairlbe, A. Nebel. a apt.
11..relfigto4 Vic Dandle, Adm. kluternian, J. Peel, Sir S.
Berkeky,Hn.CptDundae, Sir D. Maude, Hoe. P. Bleardn, r.
Blackstone, W.S.FAcott, lf. Monahan, J. 11. Bandon, Sleet.
&wring, Ur. Greene, T. Napier, Sir C. Somervil,.., W.
Brotherthi, J. Grey, Sir O. Neville,ltalph Torun, H.
Buller, C. Hawes, B. O'Brien, A. S. Ward, H. 0.
Buller, Sir J. T. Henley, LW. O'Brien, C. Wawa, J. T.
Carew, W. IL P. Howard. C.W.O.O'Bnen. W. 8. Wiliam-, W.
Craig, W. 0. Hume, J. Mansell, M. J. rsiz.r.as.
Crawford, W. S. Jervis, Ski. tremor D 11..64 Bari
Dudes, W. Laboachere, Paella, C. W. Treillage, Sir J.

Eenars.—Thareday, March 25, Poor _Relief (Ireland) liil4 (Irt
Division), in the Ai ea, Inert Lefroy, Aatkony.—(24
the Tellers for the SOON leave oot W. A. Stafford O'Brien ; insert
Mr. Wiliam Smith O'Brien.