The Express.
London, England, 1853-04-26 00:00:00

SOUTH-SEA AND OTHER ANNUITIES COMMU

TATION BILL

In answer to a question of Sir F. RALLY, which was very
indistinctly heard,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
should lay the clause he inteuded t. bring up, upon the
table to-night ; and be should mom that it be accepted on
the third reading of** bill. At all events it should be
printed and placed in the hands-cif --hun. members a suf-
ficient time before the bill reached that stage. With respect
to the boa. and learned gentleman's own clause, as it
related to a matter which had already been fully discussed,
he Masted that be (Sir F. Kelly) would be prepared to go
en with it at a somewhat late period, if necessary.
Sir F. KELLY mounted. His clause would not occupy
any long time.

Lord J. RUSSELL stated, in mower to Mr. Dimunt,
that he would state to-morrow when the government NW
sure on India would be submitted to the house.

IL KOSSUTH.

On the question that the Speaker should leave the chair,
Lord D. STUART said he wished to take the opportunity
of saying • few words connected with a eutdect on which a
question had just been asked. It had been elicited from
Lord Palmereton that, in his statement a few days ago! in
regard to the seizure of certain ammunition or preparations
fbr warlike purposes, he had fallen into a very serious error,
and had made a statement which he now very frankly and
very proiterly recalled. That of had been connected by
the public press with the character of an illustrious exile,
who had taken refuge from oppression in this free country ;
hoar)—cad It had been imputed to If. Kos-
suth that the stores on the premises of Mr. Hale
were intended for his use, and were in fact his property'. It
was indeed suggested that they bad been found in • house
in his occupancy, which was now generally known and
perfectly acknowledged to have be wholly untrue.
(Hear, hear.) As the character of this distinguished
gentleman lad been so mailed, and in a manner to acquire
general publicity, many people supposed that there was
some foundation for the charge ; and it had been said,—
"If this be so, if there be no ground for casting these im-
putations upon M. Kossuth, why does he not take some
means of explicitly denying them 1" M. Kossuth, being
informed of the charge, and of what had taken place in
that hones, bed, on the day on which those charges were
made, dime him (Lord D. Stuart) the hollow to address
to him • letter, which he received late that night, and
which, with the permission of the house, he would read :
"Alpha-road, St. John's-wood, April 16, 1853.—My Lord,
—ln answer to your kind note, I have the honour to say,
that all the accusations in the Times of to-day, about a
house in my occupation having been searched, and a store
of war materials belonging to me been discovered and
seined, are entirely unfounded. Not only in no house in my
occupation, bat also nowhere else in Entland could have
been any store of war material, belonging to me discovered
and seized, hem the simple reason, that I have no store of
war material whatever in England. But while I give this
plain and flat denial to the alleged charge, I desire expli-
citly to be understood that I do not disavow my hostility to
the oppressors of my country, but rather avow openly my
determination to free my country from them. To this my
aim I shall and will devote all my life and'all my activity,
and to this activity I will recognise any other limit
but honour, morality, and the laws of that country where I
happen to ;aide. And as it is not contrary to honour and
morality to have stores of war materials to be used when
required in the service of my country, I declare that such I
have ; but I have them in such countries where it is lawful
for me to have them, even with those intentions which I
openly avow. But in England I have them not, because I
have been told that some doubts may be entertained about
the legality of such an act. With this explanation, I re-
peat, no store of any war material of mine could have been
seized, because I do not possess, either directly or indi-
rectly, anything of the kind in this country.-1 remain,
with high regards and particular consideration, m.y lord,
yours respectfully reigned), L. KOSSUTH. Lord Dudley
Count Stuart, M. P.'

THE INCOME TAX.
The house thee went into committee of ways and means ;
and Mr. BOUTRRIE, the chairman, read the following reso-
lutions:

That it is the opinion of this committee, that towards
raising the supply granted to her Majesty, there shall
be raised annually, during the terms hereinafter limited,
t►e several rates and duties following—that is to say:—
For and ip respect of the property in any lands, tenements,
or hereditament', in the United Kingdom, and for and
in respect of every annuity, pension, or stipend, payable by
her Majesty or out of the public revenue of the United
Kingdom; and for and in respect of all interest of money, '
annuities, dividends, and shares of annuities payable to any
person or persons, bodies politic or corporate, companies or
societies, whether corporate or not corporate; and for and

in respect of the annual profits or gains arising or accruing
to any person or persons whatever, re•id..rit in the United
Kingdom, from any kixd of property whatever, whether
situate in the United Kingdom or elsewhere, or from suy
annuities, allowance. or stipends, or trom any profeasions
trade, or vocxtim, whether the same sit dl be respectively
exercised in de United Kingdom or elsewlic re ; aid fur and
in respect of the annual profits and gains arising ur accru-
ing to any person or persons not resident within this
United Kingdom from any property whatever in the United
Kingdom, or Pons any trade, profession, or vocation, exer-
cised in the United Kingdom ; for every 20s. of the annual
value or amount thereof— _

£ i. d.
For two years from April 6, 1853.... 0 0 7
And for two yerrii from April 5, 1855 0 0 6

And fur three-years from 4615, 15,17 0 0 5
And that on April 4, 1860, exeept as to the callesition of
monies then due, the said rates and duties shall cease and
determine ; and fur and in respect of the occup.ition of such
lands, tenements, or hereditaments (other than a dweiling
house occupied by a tenant distinct from a farm of lands),
for every 201. of the enema value thereof, one moiety of
each of the said sums of 7d., 6d., and od., for the above-
named times respectively-."
Sir E. B. LYITON moved as an amendment—" That
the continuance of the income tax fur seven years, and ite
extension to parties heretofore exempt from its operation,
without any mitigation of the inequalities of assessment, is
alike unjust and impolitic." (Cheers from the opposition.)
The Chancellor of the Exchequer hail informed them that
he regarded the income tax as the keystone of his financial
fabric, and he requested them not to fix their attention too
much on the key-stone, but to admire the varied super-
structure which it wes intended to bear; but it was fleece-
sary, in the filet instance to examine the keretono itself, to
see if it were susceptible of any repairs or alterations, and
they might then look with mere ease and satisfaction at the
superstructure proposed. Granting that there was much in
the budget worthy of the right bon. gentleman's high reputa-
tion end of the approval of the house; slso that an income tax
might be required for a certain period to enable him to de.
velup his financial scheme, it was perfectly clear it was not
necessary that the VAX should remain in its present state ;
and they might possess all the good things premised in the
budget without prolonging the inequality and injustice so
much complained of. (Hear, hear.) lilts brought him at
once to the cause of contention between the right hon. gen-
tleman and the supporters of Lord Derby's government,
and also some gentlemen on his own side of the house. The
late government, when it proposed to renew and extend the
income tax, made it an indispensable condition to remove its
main element of unpopularity, and to establish a broad and
intelligible distinction between incomes derived from pre-
serious source; and from assured property. The right hon.
gentleman refused to mare that distinction ; he proposed to
extend and continue the tax, leaving the popular objection
entirely untouched. It was precisely because he agreed
with the right hon. gentleman in his two funds-
mental principles, that he was compelled to dis-
sent from the conclusion at which he had ar-
rived. lie agreed with the right hon. gen-
tleman that this mighty resource should he at all
times available, in cues of need and emergency; also
that it ought net to form a main and habitual source of
taxation. Precisely for those reasons, he contended that
to make it available hereafter, if required, they should be-
gin by removing the most obnoxious parts of it (Hear.)
If they thought it inconvenient and unwise to alter the ma-
(limey of the tax, there was the more reason to console
those who were ground down by it by doing all they could
to peeve that the tax would not be kept on a single hour
longer than could be helped. (Hear, hear.) The right
hon. gentleman did exactly the reverse of this; fur be pro-
posed to retain all that would render it most difficult to re-
micelle the public to the renewal of this tax if it were
hereafter required, and at the same time he postponed its
promised suspension to the furthest possible period. Seven
years might be a short period in the history of a people, but
it occupied a very large space in a single generation.
(Hear, hear.) And at the end of the seventh year what
possible guarantee could they have from the right hall.
gentleman that the tax would be abolished? (Hear, bear.)
The right honourable gentleman said he did not wonder at
the public incredulity as to the tax being repealed, but
said ho would place before them his resources, and leave
them to judge for themselves. Ile had then very lumi-
nously summed up all those resources, and had shown, to
his own satisfaction, that in 1860, there might be a balance
which might make up for the loss of a tax producing nearly
six millions. But the right hon. gentleman forgot that, all
this while, the lions. of Commons would be forestalling
this anticipated balance. When he found that his own
friends would not wait four days, but would embarrass the
budget by voting the repeal of the advertisement duty—
(hear, hear)—how could he suppose that his opponents or
that independent members would wait seven years, before
they interfered with that balance which was to pay off the
income tax in 1860 ? (Cheers.) Every class had some par-
ticular interest against some particular tax, which was
stronger than its aeneral interest against the income tax.
And in proportion as the time advanced, as the produce of
the succession duties might be most flourishing, and
ar the terminable and other annuities fell in, members would
be still more urgent and more eager to press forward their
motions for the repeal of the wine duties, of the paper duty,
or the malt tax, or whatever else they required ; and they
would practically do all in their power to prevent the re-
mission of the income tax. (Hear, hear.) So he feared
that when the time came for getting rid of this giant, he
would be more vigorous than ever and there would not be
left a single pebble in the brook that would fit into the sling
by which he was to be destroyed. (Hear.) The right hon.
gentleman was compelled to base all his calculations on one
bold effort ; he essamed that his remissions of indirect
taxation would replace themselves in 1860—that, &wording
to analogous experiments, the amount of those taxes would
then be nearly the same as it was now. He promised a re-
mission of taxes to the extent of 5,384,0001., and said that,
according to the commercial law of reproduction, these re-
missions would in 1860 have replaced themselves, and that
there would then be an available surplus to that amount.
But everything depended upon that. Upon articles of large
censumpion the amount of duty was ultimately replaced •
but that applied to duties which were reduced,
not abolished altogether. Yet he proposed to abo-
lish duties to a large extent the soap duty.
yielding 1,126,0001., and certain articles of Customs,
amounting to 63,0001.; altogether, 1,179,0001. These
could not be subject to the law of reproduction, for they
would no longer exist. (Hear, hear.) Among the reduced
duties were other articles to which that law would not
apply—articles of luxury, such as servants, horses, and car-
riages. The right hon. gentleman could not be sure of re-
placing in seven years the 340,0001. which he took off those
articles. In spirits he calculated on an increase of 430,0001.
from au opposite course, by increasing the duty; but, judg-
ing from all experience, there was reason to fear that this
increase would only be to the interest of the illicit dealer,
and world benefit the smuggler rather than the exchequer.
These taxes amounted to nearly two millions, of which one
portion was tot subject to the opmmercial law of reprodue-
ties, and of which the larger portion was abolished alto-
gether. These formed one•third of the visionary surplus
by which in 1860 we were to get rid of the income tax.
(Hear, hear.) It might be said that the redactions on what
might be called individual '
taxes, though not increasing the
revenue directly would stimulate the general prosperity.
And how would that show itself ? By increasing the profits
that would swell the amount of the income tax ; and thus
the difficulty of removing that tax would be increased,
because it would make every future Chancellor of the
Exchequer the more afraid or unwilling to part with it
the prosperity of the country would render that tax
of each an amount that it would be altogether unmanage-
able with a view to its repeal; while adversity would com-
pel its continuance from the deficiency thus created in the
general revenue. (Cheers.) lie objected, therefore, to its
continuance without any guarantee for its being abolished
at the end of seven years. That the right hon. gentleman
had his own doubts on the subject was evident, from a
letter of his in the papers of that morning, which, with
very censidente kindness, be had written in reply to a clerk
at Birmingham. He info' rmed the clerk that the tax col-
lector would call upon him in January next for 11. 10s.,
and observed, very pleasantly, that that operation would
be repeated in July—Slaughter)—" and this for seven
years ; when, unless parliament, in coasideration of other
public benefits or necessities not yet foreseen, should
prolong the tax, it will drop altogether." (Cheers.)
With such qualified assurances as these, he objected to bind
the country to a continuance of this tax for seven yule.
He objected still more on the ground of the continuance of
those features of the tax which made the great body of the
public regard it as unjust and iniquitous • also on the
ground of the immorality which was induced for the sake
of obtaining relief from the tax. The right hon. gentleman.
said that the circumstance of parties under Schedule D
making their own sterns constituted one reason why the
tax should not be permanent. Why should this be, bat
because the parties taxed conceived there was something
in the law so unfair as to reconcile their consciences to all
attempts to counteract what they considered so unjust
(Hear, bear.) This was a principle which operated against
all laws that were believed to be unjust. Upon that prin-
ciple, while the punishment of death was retained on our
statute book for minor crimes, juries belied their own
convictions, and acquitted the parties accused. It was
this which induced muggier, to believe that they were guilty
of no moral offence, and which had enlisted the popular feel-
ing on their side. It was the same with the peasantry
of Ireland in their struggle ;against what they deemed an
unjust oppression. To renew the income tax in its present
form, without making any attempt to equalise it, would be
the corruption of a whole generation. (Hear, hear.) All
the objections to this tax were increased by the proposed
extension of it. (Hear.) The late government indeed pro-
posed to extend the tax down to 1001. a year by placing it
on that equitable footing which was required by the great
body of the people. They proposed to extend the tax ; but
the right hon. gentleman proposed to extend its injustice.
He proposed to inflict on those in humble circumstances the
same law, unmitigated, which had already corrupted the
morals of those above them; thus driving deeper into the
heart of the population this demoralising effect. Then it
was proposed to extend the tax to Ireland. Whether that
was expedient or not he would not argue ; but be could sot
conceive a greater affront to the common sense of that coun-
try than to offer the remission of a partial debt as the com-
pensation for a general tax. The discharge of these
consolidated annuities rested upon certain parishes
and unions, while the ',burden inflicted by the income
tax would be general throughout the country. (Hear.)
The one could be no compensation for the other. In fact.
instead of rendering the income tax more fair, the proposed
concession would but increase its inequality. (Hear, hear.)
He did not think it necessary to follow the right eon. gen-
tleman through all his ingenious argumeuts, in which, by
specious instances and examples, he sought to vindicate his
perseverance in the present form of the income tax. Grant-
ing that he had made out his case to the sstisfaction of all
highly educated logicians,' still it was to be feared that the
stubborn prejudices of less scholastic complainants would

I

„net 'onset his coaclusions, and that tradesmen would a His object was to remove some of the inequalities which
c elbow. to say, ” AU this may be very plain ; but I can- : existed in levying the present tai; and, nutwithstanding
6,r
Jot the life of me see that it is just to tax my neigh. ' all that had Imes said on the subject, he was of opinion
boar's income which he will enjoy for his life, and will leave that it was possible to remove them. His hon.
to his heirs, at the same rate at which you tax my income, friend near him (Mr. Denison) said that the plan of the
which I may lose by • stroke of mrelysis te-morrow, may actuaries would lead to injustice, or was impracticable.
tw„,be &beggar or a bankrupt, and leave my children to Now the plan of the actuaries was that every man should
the care of the parish." (Hear, bear.) A great authority be taxed for the support of the government in proportion to '
bad mid that it was never enough to prove that a tax was his ability; that whatever a man's property was worth, it I
jest au the abstract ; they must convieee those should be taxed in proportion to that value. His opinion
~,,i,,, pay it that there was justice in its applies- was that they should tax down to the 'west mount. But
ewe, (Hear, h-er.) But he did not allow that the as they should begin somewhere, ante as 601. • year seemed
not bun. gentleman could make out his case to the sans- to be what was barely seemary for the support of a man and
facie. of the Idgicians. lie denied the accuracy of his in. his family, he thought it reamnable to draw the line there.
ft„.gege. He stated special eases, and drew from them Let there be exemption up to a certain amount; and from'
general cunc:usions. lie said that when deductions were that point let every man be taxed according to his property,
made from the gross income for repairs, drainsge, and so the value of which should be estimated by what it would
on, it wuu:sl be bound that real property paid 9d. in the sell for. All property—real, personal, and industrial—
p eind as income tax, while trade only paid 7d. But if should be taxed at a uniform rate; and the value of land, of '
motes were to deduct all the losaes they made by bad debts houses, and of other mods of property, should be ascertained '
and is other ear', • very large deduction would have to be as it was every day, by a reference to the market. Desiring
made on that amount. But there was no deduction for re- to am's tax on property which was at once just and perma-
pors to be mole from the property of the fundholder. He neat, he would have been the first to oppose the right hon.
,stewed Ins income under the guarantee of the state ; yet gentleman, had he not found as equivalent for such a tax
he 0141 taxed at the same rate as the man who hod no capi- an the measure before the house. (Cheers.) Ile felt bound
tat but pi. initustry, and no security except his health. to look at the resolutions es a whole—(hear, hear)—and
(hear, w.f.) The right hon. gentleman was perfectly when he found what important changes wereroposed in
aware that there was some kind of injustice in the whole many of the leading branches of taxation, he dapd nothesi-
its ; for he afterwards said, with great truth, but with most tate to give the measure his support. (Cheers.)
eo.rular inconsistency—after having told the house that Colonel SIBT HORP said he had heard with infinite satis-
'wet was most severely taxed—that he shared in the faction the able and lucid speech of his hon. friend, the mem.
egglang of those who considered that the tax pressed too her for Hertfordshire, and fully agreed with him in every-
bard epos iatelligence aad skill, and not bard enough thing that he had mid. He had always opposed the income
opus property. (Hear, hear.) He invited them tax, and he should still give it all the opposition in his
to look at his whole budget, and proceeded to power; for he considered it a tax which afforded to the
repair that injustice upon intelligence and skill by laying Chancellor of the Exchequer an opportunity of
en additional burden upon property. (Hear, hear.) But playing with the financial interests of the country.
be (Sir E. L. Bulgier) objected to that round-about mode of It might be a veey good wee tax ; but to imps
evading • very simple difficulty. if they considered it it in time of peace was altogether unwarrantable. The
right sad expedient to include real property in the duties whole scheme was based on the supposition that the pee-
ve aon successions, let them do so; but let them not in- sent government was to be permanent. Did the right hen.
odiously offer that as a remedy for a totally differeut kind gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, expect to re.
of injasetice. (Hear, hear.)
Let the right hon. gentleman main in office for seven years ? He (Colonel Sibthorp) hoped
try to reconcile twee two separate assertions in his speech— he would not do so for seven days. Such a declaration
that the owner of real property was the chief sufferer by might not appear very civil, but in such • ease his duty to '
the income tax—and that that hardship was to be remedied' his country was paramount. It might be said that tea and
by indicting on him another tax to the amount of two mom would be cheaper than they were. Yes, they would
millions elem. (Cheers.) But the right hon. gentleman be cheap and nasty. (Laughter.) Come what might, he
sod there were great difficulties; for some trades were felt it his duty to oppose such • budget.
worth 25 yeses' purchase, and others only tithe or four. Mr. PAGAN said he rose with reluctance to oppose the
Of course, thole disparities would exist, and it was very preposition of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. It waste
hard to dal with them separately ; but the same disparities noble superstructure of finance' but the key-stone of the
existed in all the actual business of life, and obliged us to arch on which it was built was the income tax, and he as
establish broad distinctions. Take the case of insurance one of the representatives of Ireland, felt bound to oppose
companies: they established their premiums accord- the eztension of the tax to that country. (Hear, hear, and
i,g te "'sera calculation., aad did not enter into • laugh.) The inducement held out to Ireland to submit
the diffennit callings or habits which might render to the imposition of this tax was, that the Consolidated An-
the life of one man of a different value from that of mollies were to be abandoned ; bat he protested altogether
soother of the same age. But if they were possessed of.the against the introduction of the Consolidated Annuities iato
due ilimnosinsting genies of the right hon. gentleman, he the diecussioe. (Hear, hear.) He had been one of • de-
ory much doubted whether insurancecompanies could petition which waited on the Chancellor of the &mho
carry on their business, or exist at all. Suppose a father, quer, and was headed by Lord Meeteogle, and he had a
eon. and grandson, presented themselves at some office to dear tesolisetien of the proof offered by that nobleman
insure their lives, the life of the grandfather might be worth es to this not that the question of the Consolidated Annuities
tine years. aad that of the young man 2.5 years' purchase ; steed algae. The famine was, he contended, a claim on
but the office might say that the youth was liable to certain imperial resourese—he admitted that one portion of the
casualties from hunting, shooting, and other amusements annuities had been well applied, bat another—the labour
is which be might indulge, and that therefore in reality his rate—was wasted, and therefore he contended that it would
life was not worth much more than that of his grandfather. be but as act of mere justice to Ireland to wipe that portion
Sull it was found that in general grandchildren did outlive away. Of the taxes repealed as compensation for
their grandfethers, and the offices proceeded upon that prim- the income tax, two millions had bora taken off the
vele. (Laughter.) Some incomes from trade might be raw material of English manufacture, with which Ire-
mom valuable than others; but still, as a general principle, land had nothing to do; the window tax 1,278,0001.,
iocomes from assured capital were infinitely more valued had been repealed, and the duty on glase—he ad-
thou those which depended on accideatal circumstances. witted that in Ireland there was no duty on glass.
(lieu, hear.) If this tax were to be temporary, the pro- (" Hear," and • laugh.) Bricks had been relieved of
weal to continue it for seven years was far too long ; it 466,0001., butter 602,4371. with assent ether articles ; the
would root into the habits of the people both the result being that England had been benefited to the extent
sense of isjusties and the inducement to fraud. of upwards of 6,000,0001.. while the most he could make
if they meant ft to be permanent. or easily out for Ireland was about 400,0001. According to his cal-
susceptible of revival, their first step ought to be ciliation 180,0001. would be a full equivalent for the benefits'
to remove that which most provoked opposition and most Ireland bad derived from the income tax, and he believed
tended to evasion. (Hear, hear.) The extensions, if just the new whisky duty would produee 198,0001. Besides,
is themeless, were not politic, foe they were extensiens of under the Act of Unn n, -that solemn treaty between
the injustice of which them who had paid the tax before two nations, it was expressly stipulated that Ireland
complained. No guarantee was given that the tax should should at no time be-taxed beyond her ability, to
cease in 1860 ; and the surplus on which they counted was be ascertained by • comparison between the in-
expulied to so much uncertainty that a man would be come, and consumption of certain articles in the
deemed credulous who mortgaged his income for seven two countries. The proportion allotted to Ireland was two
years for such • doubtful reveries, to which he could not seventeethe of the whole taxation of the country. Now,the
get ores • glimpse of • title. (Roe, h.ear.) The ingenious expenditure of Ireland for 16 years before the Union
argemate of the right hon. gtheleomis were not of a nature amounted to 41 million., and that of England to 465 mil-
-10,6460 or console those who had to support the burden. liens, or as Ito 11. For lb years after, Iretand paid 148
Hs neon be the last to dthienge the gnat powers as millions, England 1,000 millions, the relation being Ito 7.
attainments of the right boa. geodoman, or to impeach him The communes was that Ireland had to borrow, and al-
high eutivese. On the ether book he rather hoped, should tintataly the revenues of the two couatrin were consoli-
he be tieftesed on this messems. OM be would do as others dated. be result of this was that no annual revision could
bed We before hira—(bear, t he would cornet take place, and the stipulated share of Ireland could not be
his saw" aad retake his peseds., (Hear, hear.) The ascertained. Having read some extracts from speeches of
essintoyileclamm in the hoses had been frequently charged Lord Castlereagh aad Kr. Pitt, to show the intuition of the
with eddy to Iwo awn isteriets in questions of Unioa, the has. number contended that the pledges then
Wean ; that they would now have Ivies on the *abject of taxation had been violated. If they
the egmeemity Vireltplesistly refuting that charge looked to the question of income they would find that of
Thyme, mew ad the muse of the British trades- Eaglaad to be 250 million., while that of Ireland did not
ma, ft they bad hewlgiw advocated the cause of the exceed 20 millions, showing • comparative ability to bear
BMA ihmaar. (henna dims.) He had seen that there taxation of 1 to 124. If they looked to consumption
wow threela of • thseabstion Os his side they were ready the proportion would be 1 to 26, but taking the
le auseatee4ll6l. (Hear, hear.) The country represents- several heeds he found the due properties would
VMS WIMP nay to meet their oustiteencles, and let the be about Ito 12. The whole means* of England being
tipmentstiess of the towns, if they those, curses their fifty-two millions, the proportion of Ireland should
ousitnthene ea behalf of the name tax, and tell thou be four millions, and her contribution had been scut-
kw Illaitithisiturary mit skill beef been opposed by a selfish ally four millions and • half for several yeses. But
mil die et Loth Darby's administra- that was not all. There were gush this's as susackrow-
ties.. „ Mae.) ben tureen esselsded by mov- Wind taxes, such as on goods used ialreland, but duty
leg dee fellowiss amemiment:—.That the continuance of paid in England, which he believed he might put down at
as itheme tax fer • period of *even years, aad its extension about • million a year. He thought thus that he had
to pulite hareteibris exempt from its emends's, without any shown Inland to be already fully taxed to the general
oidgealen of the inlqualitiee of its samesseat, areable taxation of the country but Is addition to that there was
mien adimeelitie.' be. local taxation, which amounted to 5.. in the pound,
lir. DENISON confused, atter listening to the speech while in England it was enly 2s. 4d. (Hear, hear.) He
of the hon. baronet, that he did not know his views with trusted he bad now thew° a eon for the exemption of Ire.
regard to the bosoms tax. (" Oh, oh.") Did he wish to land firma this budget, and above all things be protested
cooties, the lax, or did he wish merely to amend it ? against the question of the masolidated annuities, being he
For Wooed he alibilMied that the proposal of his right hon. trodmed as an shalom in the discussion. (Hear, hear.)
friend was the am slam the imposition of the tax that Mr. BUCK, who spike in a low tem of voice', was I
enabled him to see lead. (How, hear, and " oh, oh !") It understood to protest spina the levy of any
afforded • fair and reasthable expectation of coming to the aidideoal burden an land.
end of the berme tan. _ Meer, bear.) Bat whether it Ms. ILACLITT tendered the thetas of his coustituents '
am te be continued he shapers, • shorter period as mos to the Clieseallor oldie Exchequer for his budget. At the
wield thhat they would Opine with that tax at pe.am. same lime he as bound to d, that while they accepted 1
Did the es. baronet mown to amend its
aiSnath bas a when, there were portions. of it which they would '
ties? If was it te be ameedieg to the of have bees glad to see modified. In the Ant plan, as mou-
th* or ameedingto the " wealth of rougt j ," ben of a mereantile eosurnunity, they regretted the omission
Is It had been salted. -ii Mk wee ailessated by the ism of the tinker dudes from the list of remissions of
member Ise Ilesiesee? If easesilig le Mu schemed -th regard to timber
the asturion, they began with Wan plummet et tielliiii:olliiiii:Ly peisAthe ef oswerciel winos,
7d. la the pess4 when they to the lower Isamu es Mae the menshillssoi mil n, that was the
Can,they boom so small and ithignifitant that they ship, was almost from dabs_ the raw material of
whoy and is weal be idle to select whisk it woe node was taxed. (Mew. been) His semi.
then. If, on the ether Km byes at the Wee peist tussle eke repro el the yeethesenose el the peeled .he.
of the sale. see seder with 7‘ seal el the higher sod they night leek Sward town Kamen ef the keens
the papaw would wont le sesthethes. Ri„oleer.) tax, and aquoially for some alketelles of the severity with
All peepety, whether Mind hen line se seed a which that les panedisomer They
like Any el the alabo he Its he time could have wished that apese Milielbeilra. in the right hen.
Ws ; sal II welt set be le thew that ender genekwa's sow lediethin ef amendments
ow showitemess it went be • lejanie Is wake la the maebfimy fee mantis the Wow tax
a higher prom he they . from boned penny and they &domed to the extemoka of the re-
nn Wm an 7 ether bled =l.ipsialhopylese ohot br ex- mipt tax em ressipts to same se small as 21. Bat
Wel oe Wend the Win pregeine the They ewleeteliteh theseebintliale 'kW emejeteh the
sad Ike wham were beineseled One pthemisse, be** es a WM, mod be yet hoped the the gees Its
weld met the endows. Who send sorry with Ma In with ellieli I bed Ms noshed—his Wom lope was
skill meal Wintry, be in the WWI ponies of the tee? the Ogled tNriilek Wide the genwasee peeped.
This was emprested In the Ai siege— dm lei Ms weelvairrlsdess Os Obsessike et
whis ion ate
boi see sod omit, the leek` le be send sot nen sone
Thai koiralas is mooteae.lfaat alteration ft roped Is the piths Se Wish he hod called
(loalteen) Thm was it to be aid that the Bask of Eng- /*natio&
had, the post owes. bow. aad jekoesen bows, were Itr.INIGHTLETrho was scan* heard Is the piety,
to be dein under the alegoiy of geosonws Memo? It was understood to o'. to the emnissies of the themes in
woe linemen te menthe sea • mynas. Then if far • longer Wiwi them . pane _tholdidethall 11 men
ny were chives se dimes dein% Wail theme who were unfathomable Out atiVillia bee eow ti tit hilliele
Waded is ukelele A, who pail W. is the wad. es had sheen be Nadia_ sly. Seenll7. _ • .11e wens te my
bees dent demonstrated by the right hen. gamesmen, addition to the althea* an.,___lllads tebteli.,_weeltiogfeehrwe
went they embank to all the lasoulaties in the las Wish too bearY la reeredan le lam bine*/ on MM.°
elected them / mono us gingeses‘ that wgsdYg the of .he country, mad Is the enemies of lbe Immo tax to
Wanes a whele,ean she mimeo, small illOlllllll6. lisiskieg et the budget a a Weis, his na-
bs woe aim, a wane an ee uprose. dales was gliently the reverie ef that Of the hes. pan-
Mg Me Whilnien withit, sad hie shilmiess to len who net Wake-
ns rielt hoole_imethamaa fee lierstft
_beeeslat thawed nth Mr. W. WILLIAMS bed been „wenn aseenhed at
a ahem gem. hen.) Is Mined the eseetry gene- the &dunes aisle bee. wake the OW (Kr. Pages)
mft vemil emembee the nee IsedNeesse and the truth- that he Wenn Is .pins In budget, after aiming
61 weethip elf menet while the Mht hes. penmen his opines that the ethewskies of the Chwellor
lofted Is Waging hewed this large wenn, d he of the Ilkskievise wee eltheineellin Tint los. gentleman
wit thee be wield nap Ms ward is the Illeina widab bed pan Ws details Is ohm the which
It will nest I the be hod se dent We it waxed esseen, bend had soared is reseed te . hoar, hear,"
te the peas eneseme ef des se, and le the boring lien the Irish weben)—but be (Mr. ) believed
Wm Kin meins whit* bed heed It, of the Woozy he *NM have very little dithralty is peen/ that for every
Ma bed =kW iy sod ef the to whin bet es- shining gni by 'Wad ia taxes she gel Ink IL bon this
Waded II im esek swissiag and elecreat Wm. (Hear.) oeseliy. The host Asia' wend bend yes he the year
XBOOK= add thee Wile he Waken the ability mans Sth leesseey, MI. It emend ken thee** the
ethrhy of the eight hes. geellems who bed istro- sewn dense des paid by the Vend Kimilen was
mt°l4 ass Mnm. be sent an beth as • feeneellitettee of KIIKIIIIL e Ilthead Paid 4,400•1111 L The feet of *K-
M nrisslwal ewastilway esil as • penes en- laseise the Mew mow we 11111.111014, or 141 per mt.,
PIM is essaiseree, bat neeed with awn die pre- whin the met et sollesties the sweat sestiod by
WWI bp his Se she Mesh_ Meer.) The hes. Imbed was My Ild per me. The Me pulses ef the
liallenesisd dasety weed Het the kW pold in the axes in being was 10,00. t ed. wry annelg the whole of
Mead, whin es& paid but 71. With se the ow- which wee minded is intensify. The WI amen of
lan el the nil. the en, es levied disc; list tea the esposillemee et the Baited Kingdom 'Mennen ef the
em MM. lee thee • When. Tbs he . $ debt--them wean the arum May. mime, civil serving,
es nos esendese weld go *Ws, my en ell ether depeweate ef the was about
be bed ever based to dinemsbee As mein bee Bee wad say Noe tire Lisbon* only
v
Seen.) It wend—stew` is mien be, hoe =I: magi.'
el that exponent f C 4 Meer," an •
went be—Mask up the holed if thk ) H. weld nature to say they ost set on seventh
anneal eheen.l Ise as hilt lell the hes. oselle: i My, bst nine s fourth et a KU, Wish weld than up
wee Ilse limiy did mot seas lie lit 2 wend ' somensoldire than the ether BUSK( hr wry one they
Set punk themes) le be Seemed Moe slap, se
ate` paid. The member foe Cork said that of the 134 sail-
=thin Wheat Wing their vane meter
the Berne el losee Wish WI bees remitted sines 1641, Ireland
ups then. Mew) bed met hod a aro (Ken, hear.) He (Mr. Williams),
Mr— BUM said that the nodes ban the hem, hew- however emeended Wit then was set an shilling of tint
nu it might be viewed, was of net ln,ssmane. ft it •p- 1M senior of whla Dolan had not Ind her fair share.
pawed to lain that the channel of this smenseseative (Oh, eh.) Peed* he.. gentlemen who SEM " Oh,"
menbty would be tested by the sews ef their peessmilisp woes set were that Bogind path IS WNW' if
&anew. (Hear.) theylimilthe Ithillt NM nth net tams, tram width Ireland wadi altogether essespe—(hese,
tint on every side wises bed le endlior no aisselies hear) sad when sone of them were repined
C unman, were miss te the sinsmicose thee thek per by Sir R. Peal it was tree that looked got so shah, for how
slut system was beard on ne Omni* whatimene. (Mem) could she Wee Is the rennin ef that te whisk alte did
Beth the late goverment and the
iressnest set cadelleste ? Bat is the mina et mg ten to which
mast have felt this elm they wore she sesSelbsted she bad naked 11, fan ins. (Hear,
What coarse, thee, was the beet le be Wes, mCell4ll. hese.) The hes. geatlemes held Ihme the resins of the
win called es te Wide on this ditheult snidest P It sp- 4,000.1111111, et consolidated within woo as teething, btu-
Plared to bile that the beet then wbielt the, mid put seek es the nosey wee adesseed the the relief of a distress
we, if they net to oboe nay improvement, wee be make whisk, being withal, ought Is home been relieved at the
compromise between the iMaitase whisk besot the vies- out ef the nation at large. It WM WOO the Wean was ne-
wel. (Hem, beer.) And it was with that le tiosul, and it extended over sway piths sflingfowds Wakes
iTheraid, that they were Wed onto .snider the sad the West of Sootlaad as well as Mind. bse hi Seened,
as a whole, and to balms the advantages an dbeinstemes in Wales, and in England the lead was mils le boar the
ft, both sides. It bed bees mated by a writer charge of the relief, which in the ass of Irani 5.000,000/.
ia the " Edinburgh Review " that In proposed to of the public money was voted by On Wee Me th_e_
sit:wall to • complete system of di sect taxation for pus, and the result of which awn laiessee el 7=.111111.
indirect taxation, sod to levy the whole taxation of the to the national debt. It was said the proposed
neatly directly. That was a sou erroneous view el the in the Excise data.* would relieve the messfesemen of
elk. and it was evidentthe writes had not looked at the England, but would they cot also relieve the sienskeethers
"'ikon before the committee, or seen the daft of the re- of Ireland ? What was they to prevent the people
Met *huh he had submitted to them ter onsideration. of Ireland frost being ae peolitably ennyed