The Express.
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THURSDAY EVENING, APRIL 15, 1847.

melt dung, they were merely a means of
•en preemie gate= of education. They did not
NNW or Nebular, but offered aid and encourage-
Igme lePsi thee already reefing. How was this intended
011.,` By taking advantage of the voluntary
" Mee hem.) Thousands mud be raised by the
orNss •
.31 . "stem' before government came dews with its
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pttanee to eke out the remainder ? He would ask,
..tity
nionrary system answered its pewee, He believed
• that even its supporters would admit that it had
sat' as tably abort of all than it wee designed to effect.
atilt ) In the congteeptional " Yeanbee-k." a great dun
aver,)
eleariee he Coned it stated, that " the tonging*.
leafing Jed to themselves the power or pur-
tisab'tiafed sever
tine all tbr neglected children in the ei ties, tow me,
u•
es"of ilia country." Very humble and becoming.
•—itiateg government did propose to themselves that task.
) They declared that it was their purpose and
isms to donate all the neglected children in our cities,
• and villages. (Cheers.) He would alai e those who
:;;;,a that great design to go to one of their own schools
tTa-studyter fedi, of the " in the Manger," and when
thcrelt.Tllo4l • mbued with the moral, more benefit would
he 'defiled from their exertions, than tram all the anti-
speeches that might be delivered from Leede to
Crosby-hall. Dv fro* not cont at with as inning ta-gative
-trots to thegueernment minutes. Ile asserted that they would
▪ am positive neselics to pr sent and future generatioss.
hey would tend to raise the character of the educator,
tad provide that the situation cf "eh eolcaaater or mitre „.
Amid sot be looked upon so a sort of almshouse for the
engird and ignorant. (Hear, hear.) They all knew the
isnomee of a teacher in his school, that he woo himself the
peentilimetiou of the school; and it was their they to take
ere
Mat he was fit for. his important aline. lie maintained
amine a great henelit would be 'preferred on the working
does ia inducing them to bring up at least one of their
• as a Mole r. Above all, he thought it a great benefit
*Ai gorarlinient at Lest were acting the apostolic spirit,
*wag that hey were sent nut only fur the punishment
of •
evil doer., bat fur the praise of them that did 'eel.
r'eal Were they to be deterred from their course by
,anion that the benefice to be conferred would be
auesbansi at so expense of two millions? He did not
f„;jj-aa, may would cost so much, but it they did they could
▪ ,s two millions in a
scent tter way. (Laud cries of
Hoer,
me.' Why they pe much more annually in
the of emote and Mould they, who in the pre-
ata, year had beta ready to spent huudrs ds of millions on
tassos, thee oppose the dispeition of so patty a sum
to what ought to he the highest end of a christian
people tAßear, bear.) They would do so such thing,
am "ea sot fu low up a day of humiliation for national
by we greater than all the test. The people meet not
its lan is their meat condition. Our lanes and alley., our
yggia gag highways, must be swept and nitrite of all
;;;;.1 gag pestieel pollution. (Hear, hear.) Every man
rep halved in the rudiments of the Christian faith mutt
jais Lathe wink. The evil in all its magnitude had been
Moneyed before them, and a partial remedy had been pro-
ClThe pecni of duty vas open to view, and with the
ag of God they would humbly seed heartily pursue it,
(Lend cheers )
Tlie Bishop of None:len, in ri,ing to move the first
resolution, expensed his great s Idaction at seeing no vast
as asemblage. With respect to the minute, of the privy
ameocil, his only regret was that the government had net
goss farther. No doubt they had their reasons for bring
wawa% and lie could only thank) them fur what they had
dose. Ev eything was acceptable to hi it which advnnced
tin great object art the education of the people. (Hear.)
He had never heard a snore injudicious opposition
rya that which Tres Difered to the educational measures
dipeerement. It eva....)9ected to them first of all that the
March was to have the lion's share. Ile denied that, and
he could quote the authority of dissenters in support of his
opinion. If ever there was an impartial measure, it was
that contains,i ice the government mmutes. It d. alt equally
with all, from the respectable Presbyterian or Independent
down to the moat ignorant and fanatical Ranter. (Laugh-
ter.) The church might have some advantage; but why ?
Because it happened to be the moot numerous portion of this
community. ( Meer, hear.) If the uissenters were ID that
petition, if they were the mist numerous class, they
would not hesitate to accept the largest proportion of the
gmemmeut boon. (Hear, beer.) Another objection to the
wastes was, that !key interfered with the voluntary
system. lie knew that system tot well. He had the min•
tune to be what was culled ,a Libre ral, and in his awn
diocese subscribed to many dissenting achoule as well as their
of the Church of England. Whet we-the fact with respect
to chow ache la ? Why, that all of them were in debt in
consequence en the failure of the voluntary system? (Hear,
hear.) The next objection was the cost. It was alleged
that the coat would be enormous—upwards of a
million. Be it so; he alleged that it would be
ere:Bebe in government to expend the money
for eueh a purpose. Were not schools cheaper than prison' ?
Beth an **client had emanated from he diameters ;he
wished them joy of it, and was glad 't had not come from
churchmen. The dissenters also objected to government
interference. He would warn them, its homely phrase, that
they never played • worse card in their lite. Thee, was no
government interference intended, nor could it be pointed
out in the minutes. Having quoted one or two letters from
dissenters in horour of the government plan, the right rev.
prelate concluded by moving—
That this meeting deeply sympathises with the condition of the
pager Mimeo of the community as regards the inadequacy of the
morfaion madefir agarding a sound Wm ectsptural eotwation to their
children. and mammies the paramount importance of making the
met earnest 'unions to remedy the existing evil.
Mr. JOHN Lawn-entice seconded the resolution. Ile
said that his chief reason for doing so was, that government
proposed that in every school an authorised version of the
KTipturea should be used. The resolution was unanimously
weed to.
The Bishop of ST. Rowell proposed the next resolution as
follows :
That although the deficiency of education In this country has been
kit and acknowledged fur some year. pug, experience has proved
that all voluntrry efforts have signally failed to meet the nada of the
rapidly-inert asing pupulatials ; and it hos, therefore, manifestly be-
come the duty of a paternal gevernment to provide that instruftion
Lathe people without which uo nation can be peronmently haw or
proaperous.
Orlin deficiency of education he could himself opeak, seeing
that he hod been engaged in the cause all hie life. Of this
be was cure, that that deficiency was the source of moot of
oar social veils. Next, as to the voluntary system having
failed be had not much to say. against the voluntary
system. It bud proved a great bleatnet to England, but it
was not enough. (Hear, hear.) He had once thought
it would effect everything, but twenty years' expe-
ritece had convinced him of its inadequacy. It
sou then net because the voluntery system was wrong. hut
because it was inadequate, that he objected to it. (Hear,
hear.) Ile laid the greatest value on education, and he was
'axioms that every man in the laud should enjoy its bless-
ings it had produced him many temporal advantages; one,
certainly not the least, of which was that of having been
college-tutor to the noble lord who occupied the chair.
(Cheers.) Believing that the plan of the government would
ntand the blessings of education, he should give it his
Mention' and hearty support.
The Rev. H. HUGHES seconded the resolution.
MT. J. J. CI. ‘llllNel moved, and the Rev. R. BURGESS
wended, the next resolution, which was:
That the rractital wisdom by which the committee of council on
elestico, in their recent minutes, have rineeteetted in devising rule.
oiLgchtlnnjurtis slily as to be applicable alike to members of the Church
and to dissenters ;Tom It, without violent* dune to the
eamiences of any, strongly commends the goverment mime to the
Wade acceptance of all classes in the Cale.
The Rev. Dr. CraIMINO (of the Church d Beethind)
saved:
Rut thia meeting deeply empathises with the (godlie dths
more enema the community so regards the Madeemegy of the
moriatoa made far affording a sound and scriptural educelma to
their children, and recreant-we the paramount importance of radar
de mat earnest exertions to remedy the existing evil. That
although the deficiency of education in this country has been tilt and
llllCEartedered for souse years past, experience he proved that all was
beery Idiom have sign elly failed tome*, the wanted the rapidly la-
ermine population, and it haatberefore manifestly bases thedisyet
a eternal government to proelde that instruction far the mope
without which no nation can be permanently happy or prosperous.
Mates prattled wisdom by which the committee of council on eda.
ode, lit their recent minutes, have mioceeded in devising rules of
sea imputudity es to be appleele alike to members of the Church
M Fooled and to diameters from i. without violence done to the
coo deuces of any, strusney commends the government scheme to the
WNW% *sentence' of all chasms in the state. That the manner in
IMAM, under the Proposed scheme, voluntary effort. in behalf of edu-
cation are assisted seas menuraged, without being in any way super-
seded or rendered uaaaltaary, afford' the surest ground fur the ex-
pectance that Moe efforts coil he seinnuated and increased to a e-
ndgree nknown in the put history of the country.
The reeolution was seconded by the Rev. E. ACITIOL.
The filth It whitioll, moved by the Bishop of ADELAIDE,
J
and seconded by Mr. OMEPH PAYNE, was.:
that the petition to the Bonne of Commons now read, praying them
la pee retry facility in dr it power to her Majesty's government to
drl into effect the measure they have announced, be adopted and
sired by that meeting, and that the Right Mon. ford John Russell be
"711rto meant the tame.
dpetition was then read and adopted. Thanks were
'toted to the chairman, and the meeting separated.

biRETLNGS OF OPPONENTS TO GOVERN-

MENT EDUCATION.
GENEBAL CONFERENCE.—The conference met, by
adjournment, at ten o'clock yesterday morning, when Alder.
mat, Kershaw again took the chair.
The Rev. 3. H. Marron, chairman of the basin's.* coin-
mittee,sahl that two of yesterday's resolutions yet remained
to be put to the meeting, and that other resolutions had
been prepared by the committee.
Mr. J. M. HALE was appointed one t,f the secretaries to
the conference.
AIN6LIE begged to make a kw observations before
brines@ was commenced. Ile held in bis band the Daily
Nesm of that morning, and, he did not know whether the
reporter front the JMily Nemo was there, but he sever
was so ashamed of the Daily
gapers of his country
Is he was then with the Daily News; it was a paper
that was gassing an extensive circulation, and, in this
sester, is they would see, by the grossest calumny and false-
hood. He hoped the reporters would take down what he
was laying he then read the following extract from our
paper of yesterday :
"An amembly of divbaes has been collected for the special purpose
the 'acted rights of ignorance and the constitutional
Pohlrem. vice: the telf- ailed reprewnho ice. of the annum form ists
ef PAM:III4 hare met to protest that the principles of the Pilgrim
!ethers are women, arid them of the Jesuit Brothers the perfection of
excellence ; men, culling theopehm liberals. here came tueether to
Rahn that the loss .boil -I be held in Moulage to he easel charity of
the superior claws. by being compelled to accept sea boon what they
aboold auto si per.on. p,triors aver that
fie moral depravity of their countrymen renders It unsafe totendcr to
!hem the same Avantlps which are trodhred mother nation.; and
advocates of Men anti religious liberty hare come together to rhow
that taaarahou or rights is otaential to erdt freedom. and that anther'
bag muraction iu the nature ototillgations will be fatal to relurion.
mMterndenoe. strive 'days of Roliest.ierre there has been no such
1.41 attempt to identify lilierte with lrentinuorm.
Pies of "Oh ' oh!" and hirem.)—(A voice, " It will do no
hou.")—(Another, "Only to the D-rily News.") Mr.
hoped, an an act of justice, all who bad any ju-
bilate in regard to the minds of persons who reed news-

papers, would reoenusead then to read than only where
thg would meet with the truth.
Dr. HAKILTON.—I• 401111• eulLeet of amusement.
Dr. GODWIX weld not say that WU amused, when hs
air a madam mattering Ur-brands and death around it.
anHe
ktrollied the peepeisheee. when dkey mew the effect of meek
h% wadi pet • seep te thin.
The Rev. J. Poona, et /abed, they mewl the following
ratielnifea :
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Tot Ofe onnferrees serst zafra& inns egrawsiagl eatcaimb..
wit at the protoommt of Impertlskr pat lora Irr the perameen at
thi goverment whew; prolloimnr 1t am mem Mimi
ova thaabolaw al o foom Mot tie Mom lie to
mita ilomit (Whole Moir: aid rolimign "Alf haw"
valor no alimmamon any tool alm ate al lute-
pay to Um Moro omalentlons opinion ant Yawn to preadnit the
empties at it, ame be Wear an Imager a metary.

Mr. Poore ?hinted to the wording of the neckties as
herdly becoming the gravity of the Sleeting. He considered
the scheme en designed to destroy religious liberty. He had
long had two ideas: the tint that all governments were averse
to much liberty, and be thought that England had rather
more than *as eonairtent with a comfortable working of the
administration; and secondly, that the government of this
country, whether whip or tory, were opposed to an evange-
lical religion, en inconsistent with the snbsernesey of religion
to the state.

The Rev. A. Mostar, of Hull, seconded the resoluefoo.
He was the only one present who represented Hull, and he
had been delegated by a general education committee, con-
sisting of all denominations, to give their tentimeats on the
measure. Some of that committee were opposed to any
interference of government with education ; others did not
ge quite so far. He considered that government had so
right to tax one man for the religion of 'nether. He was
ready to entertain the question of an amendment ; but as it
now stood, if religion were to be included in any form, he
could cot but oppose it. It was an attack on the civil and
religious liberties of the people. He would ask, too, whe-
ther the time had not come for them to concentrate their
efforts spinet one great and crying grievance, which was the
paying of church-rates ?
T. RICHARDS, who stood there to represent the princi-
pality of Wales, said that, in that country, with a popula-
tion of one million, there were 2,000 dementing chapel.%
erected chi, fly by voluntary contributions, and a large num-
ber
of schools. The Bishop of St. David's hod been trying
to raise en education fund In hie first charge he had said
that it was obvious that the church had lost her hold of the
adult population in that country, and they must therefore lay I
hold of the infant mind. 40,0001. had been raised, which was
to he laid out in ten years, at the rate of 4,0001. per annum,
for building tschools. Now, altheugh the majority or the popu-
lation of Wales are dissenters, yet, as the squire-rehy art of
the establish,. d church, this fund would 'necessarily be applied
to the establishment of Church of Bngland schools. Thus
the poor people would be bribed out of their dissenting prin-
ciples. lie then proceeded to vindicate the people of Wales
from the imputations of degradation and tenimeMen, "Me
I he contended had been falsely cut upon time %am km.
petitions arose from inspectors having been sent Will assit
sot understand a word of the language. He mateetidadl thee
so like number of the population equalled them in earipturs
keowledge.
The rem elution was then unanimously carried.
Dr. lemon, et Leicester, moved the second ressiation,
which was:
• That In the lute gmeet of lYs esafterense, the assadatallarr Yoe et
the effutts Mash- sessawkw gemeumeses led mei la alma air
patron geef awls WI 4swriswlsula b..
=to af=hrlisisedarai aim lamilla atoll*, `ems
prallsol seldom Is swan at kidwi Midi Yr
rawswas adawalsa. awl Ilia Oa ialwia Mar ININIT
are* la. taat Is ate vials tae maim K sayerwwws is gam*
the people.
Dr. Legge observed that this Resolution entirely set forth
the sentiments of those he represented. Every government
measure mot throw education iato the hands of the church,
and he would ask what had the church done to justify such
a course ? When the church seemed returning to the spirit
of the dark ages, were they to take their children to Rem. ?
Were they Calmucks, and did they grind their retirees out
of s Mill ? Did they still worship an old coat 'made of rotten
cloth ? The people must surely have lost their senses, and
thrown around their free limbs the swaddling clothes of
infancy. 'they would show that their spirit had merely
slept, and that it only required this goading to bring it to
life.
The Rev. Dr. Koexthe, of Holmtletb, Yorkabire, who se, I
cooled the resolution, said, he did not want facts and details
to Ruppert his opposition. He contended that no government
of the earth had any right to meddle, in any shape or form,
with education. The great folly of government was inter-
meddling with what they had much better leave alone. Ito-
ligion should be left to the consciences of men, es entirely ea
trade to the interests of men. He then ridiculed the forma
of the English chusth, particularly baptism, amidst the
boisterous laughter of the meeting.
At this stage td the proceedings, Mr. Settee It Mated that
Mr. Bright, who had at first thought he should he obliged to
decline un account of other beehive, had yielded to their so.
lieitations, and consented to preside at the aggregate con-'
ference at Exeteehall this emaing.
The Rev. Cities. SrOvelL considered the etiolation then
before them as the one on which ad their interests hung.
Ile then read the following extract from a letter by Dr.
Vaughan, in the Morning Chronicle of Tuesday :
The notion of mine of them (the dissenters) that government over.
steps its province by aiding popular education Is any form or in any
circumstances; and the further notion, that ale not porible to as.
;orate the general from the religious in school inetmetkne so ee to
lease the tutu r optimal ; these ere both, according to my settled
comietion, mistakes. and t am by no means alone among protestant
diosentees in my views ht them points. But the avowed and co-
tailed religious character of the instruction t, be sustained by this
scheme precludes all participation in it on the pert of intelligent
mm, who are not at the saw, time prepared to recommend that all
the pulpits of the land, in comet= with its school desks, should be
brought under state pay.
Were ell that is said about religious
teaching in there minutes emitted, sad three lines inverted in
their plan, mying, in ellect.—of snetrretion reels is the
schootsnoest by as rants, the cosnnotttee does not take any copra. es,
except to retinue that a shalt be given at paelianiar hours. and that
the attendance of the scholars a/ those hours shall be optional seals
their parents and guardians. Were this done, the difficulty I have
rotated out would be removed. Some dissenters would, perhaps,
Hill objrct ; but m my Judgment they mast then object as cinema,
not as retiree', men. Surety to pray for thus mach is not to seek
what is partial car onnimonshie. Will it be relissedt
He also referred to a letter of Dr. Huppue is the Morning
Chronicle of yesterday. Supposing the concession spoken
of by Dr. Vaughan, in his letter, were mule, could they fall
under it ? (No, no.) He could not stand coolly by, and
allow such statements to be made, nor such positi ns to be
assumed. He held that on many grounds such a statement
was reprehensible, and calculated, not only in itself but in
the manner and time of asserting it, to betray the brethren
into the hands of the enemy.
Mr Conine interrupted the speaker, and said he thought
that Dr. Vaughan's letter ought not to be referred to.
Mr. Amines differed from him.
Dr. MASSIE said that Dr. Vaughan wrote the letter, and
was perfectly entitled so to do, in his private character. No
other member of the delegates was in any way committed
by it; and Dr. Vaughan had a perfect right to give his
opinion.
Mr. 6701/ELL resumed, and thought that the terms of the
letter might be taken as a basis an which to consider the
principle. He thought it behoved them to consider the
whole great question as it stands. He was glad to find that
like great abstract principle of the non-alliance of church and
state was gradually being ceded to them. The great ques-
tion to be considered was, where children, confessedly ear-
rupt, meld be placed for education ? Could they be educated
by such a government as the present? Our government,
unquestionebly, had their peculiar trusts; they had a pro.
'ince in which they could exercise their functions: and how
have those trusts been used?—bow have those functions been
fulfilled? Their rulers had already more than they coakl
do, and they ought not to be burdened further. It had been
mid that education would lessen crime ; anti that was the only
ground on which it could be entertained for a moment. But
would it do so (Here the speaker was interrupted by loud
cries of " Time ! time!" and " Stein's, ;" but after a'
I, nathened and noisy dimension, Mr. ettovell resumed.) The
main ground pleaded was, that thereby Mime would be dimi-
nished. His answer to this was: In the first place, is radar
to prevent crime, education must be extended to the farms.
Lion of the habits which operate on the oonscience ; and how
can it do this without being religions ? In the second place,
suppose it to be granted to Dr. Vaughan that the moment
be so altered as not to interfere with religion. If no ogee-
*lnce be taken of religion by government, would it not be-
come a matter of competition between the church and the
dissenters as to who should have the mastery ? None bat a
godly education could prevent crime—an education bleated
of providence. He would guppies a government priyine
for the support and furtherance of providence in its works.
Of its many conflicting measures, which would be bleeped ?
They could not all be. The idea of government doing any-
thing towards a godly education was therefore absurd. If
education would have the blessing of heaven, it must accord
with men's hearts, and be free and pious. If Drs. Vaughan
and Hoppus had not been schooled in the church, they
would never have done white they had Stme.
Id r. BLACK EVEN referred to the manner in which dissen-
ters had been treated. He bad told Lord John Russell that
ever since they had supported him in the Reform Bill, they
had been utterly trodden under foot; there was not a squire
in the country who did not think he had a right to ill-treat I
a dissenter.
Dr. !Deem had thought that they came there, net
entirely to oppose the measure, but that any one in partoppos-
ing It would be heard ; but the utter refusal of all aid, as set
forth in the resolution, surprised him.
Dr. Massie interrupted him to say that the resolution had
been drawn up under the eyeof Dr. Vaughan.
Mr. E. BANES said that it was true Dr. Vaughan TM
present; but it was also true that Dr. Vaughan had been
tho only member of the committee who had opposed it.
Dr. Billets then went on to contend that a government
might aid and meat education. (Cries of " No, no.") He
came under the idea that it was a conference; hut he saw
such a desire to call on those only who could make a good
platform speech, that it was clear to him that it
was not a conference. He was afraid the state of
things wee such as to exclude all possibility of
government aid ; and he grieved that it should be so. lie
believed man to be specifically distinguished by the religious
capacity. Bducatio' n without religion, therefore, ass ab-
surd ; but he could conceive a secular and religious educa-
tion Wing distinct, although not separate. He held that a
weleregelated secular education would have a terdency to
strengthen and improve the minds and habits of the people.
The great feu% warn, they wile all so ferociously relepous
(he meant it in goad humour). Government says, "W .
been trying ell we can, and we are obliged to do it in this
manner." The religious feeling of the ceuntry prevcr.ts all
possibility of secular instruction. He told Lord John Ras-
ed( that neither priest nor pnebyter ought to enter the
schools ; government should have nothing to do with reli-
gion. But the minuted violated this principle ; ao bad said
to Lord John Russell, objecting to the me.eursr, that what
tie ought to look to was municipal st•if-,..presu-
went. His lordship said, "Ah ! that is the prin-
ciple, I know ; and Certainly, abstractedly, it is the beet ; but
you know in America, where that is carried out, education
is compulsory. " Well, my lord," he (Dr. Bionic) said, " I

happen to be amens the few who, suppsMing government to
be unable to do anything, would not diespprove of a wine
compulsory act on the u'unicipal system." Government, he
contended, should aid districts, but should know nothing of
nlidr. illtriat, thought Dr. Binnie, doubtless nuinten•
distally, was doing much harm by these opinions.
Mr. HARBISON Of lads, Caine tO Akita that a report had I
reached that place to the effect that the Wesleyan had i
rouse to some compromise with gorsrument. But he was
happy to team on coming to town, that they had not come
to wry &vision on the matter.
Mr. Bemuse thought that the mere fact of any such private
negotiation being carried on by government with the Wes-
'doyens, on a national subject like this, was so disgraceful,
that if shown to be true it would explode the ministry. He
we. Ajad that throughout Yorkshire the opinions of the
Weelifyans were directly opposed to any such a compromise.
Mr. WHITI proposed the following resolution
Mutt this mnfaence, believing the government measure to be a
deedly blew both to the civil liberties of the community, and to the
valued institutions and interests of dissenters, will, together with
Mom whom they represent, feel deeply sagrieved by the conduct of
any member of the 'louse of Commons who may support it, and will
amender that support as diequalifying curb member. to represent in
parliament the friends of sled and religious liberty.
This resolution, after much discussion, was carried, and
the meeting adjourned until ten o'clock this morning.

FINSBCRT.—Last night, a meeting of the inhabitants
of this borough was held at White Conduit House, to
take into consideration the government scheme of education.
Mt. R. BIaiLLY was called to the chair.
The CRAIXWAN, in opening the business of the evening,
said he was one of those who was prepared to make great
morifices for the education of the people, and was ready to
go as far as any one to secure national education, bat be was
not prepared to pay the heavy penalty which the legis-
lature wan about to exact in carrying out their principle.
Dr. Erre moved the first resolution,
That this meeting protest against the scheme of government edu-
cation as put forth in the resent minutes of Council on Education ;
and especially against the unawake. Wool practice thus introduced,
of giving is mere minutes of council, not authorised by legislatiee
ausetios, the faros of law.
Every one agreed that education was a good thing, and
they were all prepared to advocate it, when it was, strictly
speaking, education itself; but this was the government'
scheme, and its intention was to create a body of educa-
tional Officers to drill the young mind of the people of Hag
land. The.. persons, before they wereeligible fur any of the
offices, were to be furnished with certificates on points relat-
ing to religion and morals; and, by the regulations as they
stood, this eligibility was confined to the Church of England,
and the dissenters were practicady shut out from receiving
any part of the government grant of money. It was an
attempt to manufacture eoldien to fight the dirty battles of
the state church. It was a cunningly-devised scheme to put the
schools entirely in to the hands of the parochialclergy. It was
the establishment of a second state church among the laity.
Education had not originated with the government; hut
among the people ; and now the government wished to take
it out of their hands. It was a system merely for eduating
the people in the principles of the Church of England, and
they were about to pay another set of men to do that which
the delay were already bound to perform.
Mr. ELT, in Seconding the motion, urged that it was at-
tempted
to be proved from etatistics that mime and igno-
rance were necessarily connected, but lie denied that crime
had decreased in proportion to the increase of education.
Mr. ROBERT TAYLOR then moved the following amend-
ment:
Mut it a the opinions "of this meetiog, that to secure the greatest
amount of individual. modal. and politico' good, n lanecemmr that
every human bring have► thorough secular educosion. and therefore
It 1/1 the outy of government to tadpole such education: and that all
schools supported wholly or in parr by rharitablr amtnbutions are
wrong in principle, and in prsetite destructive of the independence of
the lashing eaters; and that the opponents of the government mea-
sure are mostly persona who are desirous that the British youth
should be educated in the dogmas of religion, thereby keeping alive
sectarian strife and bitterness; and that the goveruutent have re-
frained from bringing forth a more liberal scheme because of the op-
position of a large portion at the ounoonformhs.
He contended that whatever his nonconformist friends might
say to the contrary, they protested against education alto-
gether ; else why was so much stress laid on the fact that
crime had not decreased in proportion to education, and on
its non-reformatory power? lo Judge fairly of the govern-
ment scheme, they ought to know waist was the scheme of
those who advocated the voluntary principle. It was diffi-
cult to find one on which they all were agreed, but if there
was soy, it was that of Mr. Edward Heiner, which be had
stated In his twelve letters to Lord John Ru-sell. liis scheme
app' aced to be not only a voluntary but a religious one, for
the Scriptures were to be read and expounded in the schools.
This was falling into the error which they said
the Church of England hut adopted. That was
the trammel and slavery which they said the go•
veniment was about to inflict on the country, while they
themselves were desirous of inflicting on it a species of re-
ligious dogmatism. Ile did not want to rear men to be
material's ; what he wanted was to make them know their
rights and dunce as rational being*, and to enable them to
discharge the ditties which devolved upon them. If they
warted the whole youth of England to be educated and to
get rid of sectarianism, why did they not ask the govern-
ment to supply MOM] Only for secular education But this
they opposed with all their might and main. The opponents
of this measure dared nut mention their motives, but lie
would lay them hare. It' was because the number of dis-
senters was diminishing, and because they found the
Church of England was surpmelitg them in education. If
they were sincere in saying that the people were not repre-
sented, let them go along with him for the eeperatioa of
church and state and for the general enfranchisement of the

People.--------
Mr. Moons seconded the amendment. He could not
agree on this question with mtoy around him with whom
he had laboured in the cause of political amelioration. The
great abject of this scheme was to improve the quality of
education for the people. He was ready to take the funds
of the Church of England and apply them to the purposes
of education : but, if that church had been sluggivh in this
cause, that opprobrium applied equally to many of those who
attacked her. It was mid that the voluntary principle
was sufficient for the purposes of education, but it had not
been found so yet, and the quality of the instruction in the
sariols was of a very inferior description.
De. Price and Mr. Alexander eh, n addressed the meeting
against the amendment, and Mr. Campbell in favour of
it. The amendment was then put end negatived, and the
original resolution carried by a large majority.
Mr. Mutt, in a short address, proposed the second re-
solut;oo :
Mud thie meeting believe, that if, at any dine, a governmental system
of edue dion can be kgdimate, it wl I be when the people are enabled
to pronounce an opinion thereon by being really represented m the
Commons House of Parliament : to the meantime ads meeting in-
struct their members to oppose the vote of money, ,or educational
pair Minn, proposed to be tams on the 19th of this month.
It wits seconded by Mr. John Brown, and oppored by Mr.
Ward, amidst much confasion andinterruption ; and having
been carried by a large majority, the meeting separated.

A numerously attended meeting of the opponents
of this measure was held last evening at the Eastern Institu-
tion, Commercial-road. The chair was taken by Oeonoc
THOntrtion, Esq., who opened the proceedings by stating
that he would confine himself strictly to the duke of a chair.
man, which he considered to be simply to state the objects of
the meeting and preserve order and propriety. What then
was the object that had brought them together ? It was to
state emphatically their Ghjections to the government mut,
sure of education. There was a peenharity about the meet.
ing that they were every one within those walls the friends
of the professed object of the scheme which they were met
tegether to oppose. He was not prepared to say that he
should always resist any and every measure for education,
simply the ground that the state had something to do
with it; but in the present eau he had no difficulty in mak-
ing up his mind, for the present was certainly not the hone
to throw around the church a complicated and strong fortifi-
cation, which they might hereafter have to beat downs
The Rev. J. Ftercitart, of Hanky, in moving the first
resolution, declared that the unconstitutional manner in
which themeasure had been introduced was alone a suffi-
cient reason for rejecting it, even supposing it to be u per-
fect as eras stated by some parties ; or a precedent would
otherwise be established which would lead to the introduc-
tion of measures of a different character. Nor did he believe
that the measare would have been brought forward in such
a manner had it been a proper one; for attempts had been
made again and again to establish similar systems, but par-
liament had never been able to effect the object ; and he be-
lieved that to be the reason why the present scheme was in-
troduced in such a manner. Then, with regard to the mea-
sure itself: it was called impartial, but where was its impar-
tiality ? It was not proposed to throw open the universities
of Oxford and Cambridge to dissenters; neither did it touch
the upper classes: but it sought to promote educ ttion
among the poor—among the thousands and millions
of their countrymen. Now, what the poor wanted,
was not schools or teacher., but simply means to purchase
their adrantages ; and, he asked, did the present measure
supply those means? He thought not; and, therefore, instead
el being a boon to the poor man, the measure would increase
the pressure upon him, and hinder him from providing that
education finds child which he might otherwise have done.
After some ether arguments, he moved :
That Ude meeting, after a mature consideration of the various
statements sad arguments advanced in support of the government
scheme alednerstion, as well by members ot the cabinet sad of the
House of Ominous, as by the public preen, records its deliberate
couilietion, that each measure invoices in principle a violation of
melt and religious liberty, and will in practice prove an obstruction
to the advance of amid and enlightened popular education ; and.
that referring especially to its unconstitutional character, both in
the music of its introduction, and the means by which it Is to be
carried Into operation, this meeting regards the attempts made to
defend it in this pa. terrier, as serving to confirm, rather- then to
remove, the s.rong objection. already advanced against it; and it
therefore urges upon the opponents of the measure to persevere in
their determined and strenuous resistance.
The Rev. A. lteLo, of Norwich, seconded the reaolutioo,
rehearsing some of the initial arguments against the measure,
The motion was then put and carried unanimously.
• Mr. N. 0 burn s then moved:
That, regarding the measure as thus weaned in prime* and as
mischievous in its general provisions, this sneering clagnealet any
modifications thereof as being uiterly resulScient to room the pike
objections with which it is regarded ; while the WM, with woke
such modifications have been, sad may yet be, Intrados*. secretly,
without kirtillUvie sanction, and by an almost trews 1a body,
as justifying the ularm with which it regards en importune a deg ir.
Tare from round constitutional principle. That the deimegnatlon
expreaw I by the povernment to persevere in pressing thal nirvana',
notwithstanding the Arringly rapeseed Natality of ennideruble
'Morn/ of the nonconformists of this country, who mist Gowen.
timely Cavelier to participate in the advantages it offers, le a glaring
sioisuotrof paiirleal jtorice, and r rulers it. basted eqearlity brit a
-mockery, a delusion, :aid a snare.^
lie believed that the system proposed was not one of national
education, but one of national pedantry and national bribery.
The Rev. T. Darters, of Colchester, seconded the resolu-

lion.
The resolution having been alao carried unanimou.ly, with
the t emotion of two diaentients,
The Rev. Dr. hi ARDIE. of Ma telleater, moved :
That ibis mating view•, in the measure now under consideration,
an emphatic warning to nonoordormiata of the danger of affording even
a tacit awaits to any interference of the civil power with eldest the

=or the education at the people, and as demonanting the nee
tCn
y' of much a thethve cower of melon at the coming deo-
bon as will seethe the return to carileincat or the eta and Oath
i*ent sdrocathe al a coander end more enlightened mecca.
He cou,d not avoid °epee-sing alarm at the principles of the
measure proposed, for he baleeved that if they conceded to
the government the right of interference in the education of
, the people upon a minute of csnricil, they would concede to
I them not only the liberty of education, but the liberty of
religion throughout the !and.
Mr. W. D11E111,40 briefly amnded the resolution; alter
which
Mr. Hens begged to say a few words with regard to some
observations which had then made by Dr. Mamie, on the
course pursued by the body of Wesleyan, in neglecting to
take any part in, or come to any decision on, the prevent
question. He proceeded to state his belief hat that body
had acted wisely in not riving an opini in before hearing suf-
ficient evidence of the merits or demerits of the measure.
For his part, he was most grateful to the government for the
assistance which they proposed to render to the cause of
education. The speaker's sentiments, howev,-r' were received
with disapprobation by the meeting, and the resolution was
carried with his single dissent.
The Rev. Huns Season then proposed thanks to the
chairman, hoping that the nest election raisin secure hint a
place in the legislature as a representative of their borough.
Mr. Wittians eeconded the resolution, which wall
carried with acclamation; and the chairman having returned
thanks, the meeting separated.

THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY MEETING OF THE NEW
SCHUOL ON THE BILIIISH BYETISS, situated near Olengall-
place, Old Rout-road, was held last evening. There is no
part of Lotdon where schools are more required, and we
were, therefore, the more sorry to find that some of the pro
meters of this institution took an unwarrantable advantage
of the oemion, by proditutiug the meeting to a party and
factious purpose. Mr. Tennyson D'Eyncourt and Mr.
Christie had been invited to attend, but excused themselves.
Mr. B. Hawes, however, was prevailed upon to take the
chair. Atter the report had been read,
Mr. Hawes opened the proceedings by congratulating the
promoters on the success of the school, end stating the nn ces-
sity which existed for it. He was glad to understand that
they had met upon a neutral ground, and that the discus-
' lions that night on the merits of education, would not be
marred by any debate upon the now oat ch agitated questions
connected with it.
Mr. Cann (a member of the Society of Friends) moved
the adoption of the report in a temoerste speech, and the
motion having been seconded, was unanimoeoly carried. At
this time Mr. E. Babies, jun., unexpectedly entered the
room, accompanied by some friends.
The Rev. R. AINSLIE, who it appeared had been invited,
moved the second resolution, which in general terms recog-
uised the desirability of promoting education. The rev.
speaker commenced Ito speech by strongly inveighing against
the government Irian.
Mr. &UHL'S followed. He reviewed all that bad been
done for education is this country since 1804, thawing the
inference that most had been accomplished when the state
had least interfered. A great deal more was done for edu-
cation new than people generally supprd, and still more
would be done if they " left well alone.
A _gent:cones, who stated that he was a member of the
Middle Temple, and a stranger to the schoole, to which he
had been attracted by aceideut, replied to these speeches,
sed taunted Mr. Baines with coming from Leeds, which he
had represented as an educational El Dorado, to one of the
least educated localities in. el England, to tell the inhabi-
tants of it that no more education was needed! The parioh
of St. George's, Southwark, in which they thin
stood, only provided daily education for 1 in 66 of
the total number of children for whom education was re-
quired, and tleamondsey, which was the adjacent parish, only
educated lin 34. Having briefly explained the government
measure, he denied teat it would militate against the sup-
port of schools, or that the appointment of inspectors
would be in any greater degree vested in the authorities of
the church than in the British and Foreign Soho.' com-
mittee. Both had an equal extent of power and influence.
Re urged the vital importance of elevating the character
of the school teacher, and implored them as school support-
er themselves, not to risk, for the stke of private pique or
factious motive, the loss of the immense advantages which
the government offered to extend to them.
Tne resolution was swirled, as were the others upon the
paper, none of them touching on the question at issue. Tne
conclusion of the meeting, however, was not so harmonic no
as the chairman had anticipated its proceedings would
prove, and the managers ore likely to gain nothing by
, making chat ought to have been an harmonious meeting
an opportunity of introducing the Leeds agitators to the

LAMBETH PENSION SOCIsTY.—A special general
meeting of this society, whose object is to grant small weekly
allowances to aged and decayed householders of the district,
who shall have paid rates for nut lase than 10 years, and
their widows, was held last evening, for the purpose of con-
sidering certain alterations in the rules and regulations rela-
tive to the election of directors and officers, and other details
of management, and 6,r limiting the relief to persons whose
income is under 201. a-year, all of which had been at a pre-
vious meetiin,, unanimously agreed to by the directors. The
proposed changes were confirmed by the subscribers, and the
meeting 'operated.
THE EDUCATION QUESTION is doubtless the ab-
sorbing topic of the day ; and the clues* which the united
Wesleyan committees are about to take in relation to it is,
as certainly, the point on which very many of our reader'
will, with the utmost solicitude, look for information in our
columns. We must say, however, that we are not yet in a
position to speak as distinctly and definitely on this subject
as might be gratifying both to ourselves and to three whose
reasonable anxieties we desire to satisfy ; but we will state,
so far as we feel at liberty to do so, the present condition of
the matter. In our last, we gave a succinct historical outline
of the steps takes by the united committees, up to their
reassembling on the 31st of March, and of the change
which was necessarily effected in the nature and tone of their
delihenitions, by the important information then commu-
nicated to them from a high source—and communicated.
we desire to repeat most emphatically, without any solici-
tation or ne•otiation on their part. Under these totally
altered circumstances, it wes judged expedient to open
a direct iotercoune with the committee I f council, that
there might be no misundenumding on either aide. The
decided objections felt by the Wesleyan Committees to the
Minutes of Council were stated in strong though respectful
and temperate language. An official reply was received
which contained explanations so extensive in their bearings
e to present the measure in a new aspect altogether, and,
We feel bound to say, to remove In a great degree some
of the most grave and insuperable objections which,
as consistent Wealeyans, the committees urged. Still,
however, points remain that greatly require expla-
nation, and whish—(without entertaining any notion
so absurd as that we ran get a scheme of national
education in sleety detail adapted to the views of the
Wesleyan or any other single section of the church)—may,
we trust, be yet brought into a more satistavory position. On
Friday and Saturday last, the United Committees were
engaged in deliberation is Manchester ; and we believe that
their conclusion on the whole matter is fairly expressed,—or
at least implied in what we have written in the precedini
sentences. It was judged right to set before the cimmithee
of
council the difficulties yet unremoved. The Wesleyan
committer adjourned to London, and the evening of Mon-
day, and most part of yesterday, were devoted by them to
the inset serious consideration of the various ints included
in the great and comprehensive subject. A fu,l meeting of
the gtuerel commi• tee will he held on Friday next, at the
Centenary Hall, and then, as we expect, the final condition
will be reached.—The leakAirart.
INQUESTS, YESTEBDAY.—MUEDETt OF AN INFANT.
—By Mr. G. I. Mills, at the Elephant and Castle, King's-
r ed,Camden-town, on the bedy of a newly burn male lobed.
On Saturday last, W. Lloyd, of 61, Auguatus-street, Re-
tent's-pansl, :I:usivehile patoLtn.stilise banksonof
titheeaß,stesseeer
the water, near the cork and Albany Tnagvern, wheurfitoe n
he is
raediately gulled police constable 316 8 division, and the
body was hauled in and conmed to the St. Pancras week-
house.—Mr. Cooper, the hoses surgeon, rid that deceased
bad been born alive, and was a full grown child. It would
doubtless have lived if it had had pro r assistance at its
birth.—Other evidence, showing Hut deceased
kad been
most wilfully murdered, having been given, and in the
absence of any clue to theguilty parties, a verdict of " Wilful
murder against some person or peronennknown" was record-
ed.—Atutozu ADES' IN 8 riPNlT.—Before Mr. Baker,
at the Grave Maurice, Whitechapel-road, on the body of Wil-
liam Bridge, a painter, aged 64 years, who died in the Lon.
dun Hospital, on Sunday night ler, from the alleged M-
onument he received from a woman, named Mary Burns.
Mr. John Nash, the house surgeon Of the London Hospital,
stated that he had made afloat "sorter examination of the
body, and he attributed the death of the unfortunate man to
a rupture of the bladder, which, in his opinion, was caused
by a kick. The jury sdjoureed the inquiry for flusher
evidence.

THE EDUCATION MEETING AT BIR-
MINGHAM.
Stit,—The letter which appears in your columns
to-day, signed " G. S. Bull," calls for some explanation
from me.
1. The "very mug, well-managed dissenters' meeting "
in question was attended by at least 8,000 persons, including
an unusually large proportion of the educated classes.
2. It was always intended to be open to full discussion on
both sides. Its object, as stated in the requisition, was, "to
consider a petition." Originally these words were followed
by the words, " in opposition to the government pea of
education ;" but the word " relation" was substituted a*
" opposition" by the requisitionists themselves, two days be-
fore
their first interview with the mayor.
3. It is contrary to universal practice (or persons originally
moving in a matter of this kind to NO to their opponents ter
assistance. Had the clergy, however, or any other party,
been disposed to concur in the preliminary steps, they had
ample opportunity of doing so, for a meeting of requisi-
tioniqs was conv..ned, by public advertisemeot, and held at
the public office on Thursday, April Ist, and the requisition
was not presented to the mayor till the following Saturday.
4. Until wine proof is adduced that the dissenters were
employed on the Sunday (April 4th) in " organising their
troops, ' it is sufficient simply to deny Cm fact. Although
on the previous Saturday I seat circulars to all the &smut-
me mi.:Asters with some printed g,pers containing the opi-
nions of Dr. Vaughan and others, for circulation, those
circulars ceatained no reference to the intended meeting.
,gym not aware that any mention of the town's meeting was
publicly made on that Sunday in any dissenting chapel ..r
school in Birmingham. It did happen, however, that a
gentleman from the Writ of England, who attended the
ecreico at St. Martin's Church, informed rue the
same aft, moon that the Rev. J. C. Miller had duly apprised
his congregation of a meeting on the subject, and earnestly
entreated their attendance.
6. With Um szooption of Um lecture by Mr. Bakes, at

Graham-street Chapel, on Thursday evening, April Bth,
I am out aware of a single meeting, convened by opponents
of the government plan, having been held subsequently to
the dect.ion to hold a town's meeting. On the other hand,
your correspondent, the Rev. Mr. Bull, admits that the clergy
convened five parochial meetings, and he will not dewy that '
they were attended by large numbers.
0. Mr. Bull alleges that the supporters of government '
' had 75 orchestra tickets, end the opponents 325. The
fact is that 400 tickets were printed, of which the
requisitionists retained only 260, giving 100 to the
mayor and 50 to other ofiicial persons, with a request that
nearly the whole of the 150 should be distributed to the
supporters of government not requisitionists. The requi-
sitioneds were about 900 in number, and many of them sp•
proved of the minutes of cntneil. The 250 tickets were
distributed to them without reference to their opinions.
When the meeting assembled the opponents and supporters
who actually occupied the orchestra were nearly balanced.
Setting all this wide, I complain that Mr. Bull has not the
candour to tell the public that when he and the rural dean
did me the honour of a call on Thursday morning, the Bth
instant, I offered to take the responsibdity either of aban-
doning the ticket plan altogether, or of adopting any other
course which they might suggest for securing perfect impar-
tiality, it being, as I enured them, the anxious wish
of the requisitionists that the supporters of government
should have every opportunity afforded them to expert(
their sentiments. And as a further proof of the sincerity
wit`t which the committee endeavoured to arrange matters
of detail, 6o that no disadvantage might &cruet° either side,
I may mention that en the same occasion I stated to the rev.
gentleman the nature of the resolutions which would be pro-
posed, and the names of the speakers, for the express pur-
pose of enabling them to make their own arrangements.
7. To the allegations that due publicity was not given, and
that even the ladies' galleries were puked, the facts already
detailed furnish en answer. How could the requisition be
published in the journal of Saturday morning when it was
only presented to the mayor in the afternoon of that day ?
As to the ladies, the committee endeavoured to avoid all
chance of unfairness by sending to the rural dean a letter at
noon, on Thursday, stating that the galleries wonld be re-
served, and giving the hour at which the doors would open.
This letter woo despatched eight or ten hours before any
announcement of the •rtangement wee made to the opponents.
8. The rev. gentleman makes use of a number of phrases
sheet being " out-generalled,"—" expedients to which the
unscrupulous resort," and other tisics to which I am unable
, to reply, as I cannot discover their application. He concludes
by a remarkable statement, that " the opponents of the
. mintres have declined to go to the poll." Perham he will
far ,ur your readers by some explanation when, where, and
by whom, any proposal for a poll of the inhabitants of the
borough on this subject has been suggested. We certainly
anticipate that the question may become still more promn
: nest, and that it may affect the state of the poll at the next
general election. When that time arrives, I trust that the
, 'principles enunciated on Friday last may tot be forgotten.—
. I am, &C., WILLIAM MORGAN, Hon. Secretary to the Roe-
; quisitiu. ists.—April 12.