The Express.
London, England, 1847-01-30 00:00:00

HOUBE OF LORDs -.—FIUDAT, JAS. 29. •
The LOUD CitAiteELLoll took his woo 00 the wader&
ffikirtly after five o'cleek.
MILE
RETUS)IB YHESENTICD...Che Mumma of Oa
the table plea ard extremes tardiniagaddillas relative of ..*Asym' akntrY
the Wouthesem Izetemeondefter proem • '' be
Remits ottitaam--at the mow of not. fintoNiAlbtoPP
return of tie seise WINO% Mite WINK wit 't...CArtteresto • articling. relieved as asseel Ltimptd, mien thy -• . •
of January, 11 Maths
Marr with In peesomr
reoidenst trona thatwholesales% arrived ; the
Mahal and the pods of the Cftds. Also, similar Mow *or-
responding pert.' of late.
IRISH PAUPERS IN ENGLAND. •
Earl FITZ WILLIAM, in moving for the above return,
said he had observed the other centime that ~great iniPret-
Mon had been made on their lordships by the statement of
his noble and learned friend opposite (Lord Brougham), of
the great number of Irish poor who had bard n r Mir Ted in
Liverpool during the preceding fortnight: Those paupers
Zl:e all stay is Liverpool, but some travelled on to Man-
e, Leeds, and Sheffield, and ultitrately they would be
spired over the whole wuntly. Hence, the Irish distress
was not • decal
tqa • it was sot a Galway or Mayo ques.
deny ]spot err • the witabArisint.
Loaf BROOM said he W sapaised a letter. qoas
.v.ary rastastabia Novae' Hootiti, wide-
-14"6"111.0011 Liftlefeelt salnelleiftsimaieemilllM In
nrt ,_ Waidlikausatlai main postiosaaf them to
dt .oroot
stetomet .1 gdspeahestopm. In of the eillyiserenie of
164011mlipmft. it Ills antra ham Imee lams relieved ey
thy* webownimepts Sae w yet sernittd the e-iefe
preileasi aim i.aralf 4110 Pulo. tondo
la to thee imummleg, kb net le (*ohm, what
MI be the NMII le
theieitoopets at ism 7ott may seem
mist will be my ems V pleemes Is emellember Mermen,
lam I wit pla *at.. Aso swot saw. &Duet the (."'
lit In lie Palk I ties kat as pay nearly
sielment. ilia pot may rely
wpm, osfid Mot fib Meg sale eir lu Liverpool:
Rai the lith belmlleek loinite, Ms =mar of errs
Willweed was 173.11561 thealhaemmestet be Liege Ist ; the soup
Ado* tram 6.0011 Whelk ef ent.goor relief shorn
Owing as weak image& the lam temputd wild the
ad wwboteme Mai. Of
4a arse, (:nr nineteen-hrewletlut of the whole, lout been errs
penckst in relieving the neerwaities of bilk ryupers ; .n that
our own resident poor hare not curt u• above Mil. a week more than
during the corre•poorling week of last yen., which, all things co -
frittered, Planks much Or their favour. It in obriottaly unjust that the
ratepayers of Liverpool should be ...Willed with the cyst", of main-
taining an many thousands of men, anon ar, and chiklerr, from ti •
raster country; oral I Mate these few facts in the hope that coven,
rant may be fully (0.21 d of the tremendous evil front which we
are suffering. and are still likely to suffer, until ante legislatire
enactment is obtained.
It wan to be feared that the very act of giving this ref f
would inerraoc the evil. Yesterday a friend of his, a mrmh r
of that Ammo, had received a letter from his bailiff in In-
land, stating that 100 labourers were required fur his two
farm., and not one could be obtained, for they all pref. ru d
working on the high roads. In other words, they preferred
not working. or only half working.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM Pahl that farmers solio wanted
labourers might eerily obtain theta, by applying to the •1
committee, who would immunliately diocharge from the puf.-
lie work, as many as were required. N o doubt they prerem
working on tho mail, to working on the land.
Lonl BROUGHAM—And for lower ware. •
Earl FITZWILLIAM said that WWI not the rave ; the v
got higher ware, and hence the preference for the public
work. Their wages were regulated by • tariff having ref, r.
,nee to the amount of work they perfumed. He hod Mort
the other day that the farmers were paving their labour. ned. a day ; he himself pail Is.; and on tire relief works th 7
were paid 13d. or lid. He was not much alarmed as to ti,-
cultivation of the veil being ahandowol ; little work of thou
kind was going on at thin period of the year, an the great.:
portion of the corn was spring cc.rn, and the cultivation w
not of the very highest kind. But, undolibtrely, if thine:
went on in the tame way during February and Morel..
scrims apprehend. no might he entertained that the Lc r
would not be sufficiently cultivated to produce the crop
the next year.
Lord BEAUMONT migrated that a solect encnrifat •
about(' he sprinted by their lordships, as one lind to •
appointml in the nth( r house, to investigate the working .
the Poor Removal Act. Hr believed that many arroncou.
couelusions had been come to, and falai, int...recces draw ,
with respect to that measure, which in his opiaron, lad 40
away with au great many of the evils of the law of aottlemr t •
That bill had prevented pauper, alit, haul lived in town, I
their lives from being removed hark to the rural diatric• .
Notwithstanding this ails enter., several hoards of gusrili
had come 10 an understandlng not to tag the law in fore
and, utuder three circumstances, lie thought it eliwicable t
a select committee should be aprintiol to impuiro into
operation of the law.
The Earl of ROI)EN aid that if a farmer waning '
hour. ro applied to the relief committee for thorn, he eh, • •
I not sleo pin his loam for frog of h jug vinitrd lay the in •
vidual., or s one of their friend+, who had been ('iurearg. I
' fiy the relief committee. In some parts of the c won) i•'.
life would not he cafe. The Labour Rate Art had het n
duo tire of evil., of which the extent was cut yet known : •
had moat wrinualy docnomliant the lahouren. ; and her the...
fore rejoiced to hear that it war to be put au end to. : •
great win the calamity which had overtaken Imlurd, tl .t
it would he impoodble, let g uvernment do what tln y won I.
to pry.. nt thousands dying from famine and pc.flen, •
Stilt every one, both in public and private., was bound to r.
all in his power to :Ole) lot,. the evil. The noble ul lean
lead babied hiss (Lard Brougham) hadrsta4z.
rashly, te a statement of the Roo. Mr.
doubt 'hat eminent clergyman, whatever 'lta had said, .41:
raid it from a give of duty ; and surely TO e could f
fault with a conneir ntinua clergyman for lacing des:runs ••
Spread what he. believed to he the truth.
Lord BROUGHAM id he did not find fault withwl •
was done, Ent with the manner and time of d. ing it.

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THE SPANISH MARRIAGES.
Thn Ertel of AIIEILI)EEN : My lords, I wiesh to ae.
question of the node marquir, the President of the Conn,
whether any answer ha. been received from Pic Fret .1
government to the last despatch of the Secretary of St ••
for the Foreign D, p.rtmeot, addressed to the Martini- .
Normanley; and, if an, whether it is intended to lay le
the table of the house. It appear, to me but reasonably •
the rorresponelenes commenced with a letter from this en,.
try, that it should close by a reply from the other sideof
water. Ido not wish to give any opinion upon :he, subj.
matter of that ce.rreqsondenee • I hope the house will not .
called upon to give coy such nninion. (Hear, hear. hen ;
But I will venture to state that I have a strong hen f that I • .
house and the country would desire to see that 001.0
spondence come to a termination. (Hear.) It must he ma .
fest from that part of the eorreaporlt•nee which has alren ' .
been produced, that it is now continued without any delini
cbject, and if it is carried much further in the tone and te . -
per which it has nnw assumed, there is every re son to
prehe nd that it will end in the production of very sun ..
consequences.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE (who spoke in so Inn a
tone as to he very indistinctly heard), was understood to s y
that there had been another cemmunication in the form of
direct despatch received, in answer to the last dispatch of I its
noble II lend, the Secretary for Foreign A train, but that ones r
had only reached the French minister (as wo under...to, el)
the daibefore vs sterday, and it "41114 only this morning the t
copy of it had been received by his noble fri• tel, so th t
neither he (Lord Lansdowne) nor any of the government h 4
had an opportunity of seeing it. As soon as it had teen OM •'I
by the government, it would be laid before the house. The re
appeared to he an evident desire on the part of their la.'.
ships that•this correspondent, e should now end, hut bower. r
dominos h (Lewd Lansdowne) might Ito that such should I,e
the ease, he could not say with aspect to a despatch whi. h
he had not teen, whethe rit n quiretl an answer or n .t. All
that he could say was, that he could assure the node earl
and the house that the government hod not the elighttst is.-
elination to suppress any one particle of evidence or kn.sa -
ledge on thin •übject which they pos.essed, or to withhold
any circumstance of these transactions from the mature e.•
sideration of their lordship,.
Lord BROUGIIAM said that the house must ha quite
satisfied with the candid answer of the noble marquis. A.
the correspondence coals) lead la no purpose, he to pod it
would cease. He perceived that it had been attribate I to
his excellent friend on the other side of the water (M. Gil,' )
that he had used the expression •• ws oil aecomph" as ....-
plied to these marriages. Ile could sot but think that I. .
excellent friend had been minapersented on that.
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The Marquis of LANSDOWNE f. It convinced. from
many of the expressions contained in the speech which the
noble lord had referred to, that that distinguished individoil
must have been misreported.
CASE OF MR. MARA.
The Earl of ST. GERMANS had intended to prenen• a
petition, of which he had given notice, from Mr. R. W.
1 Mara. late Registrar of Friendly Societies in Ireland, com-
plaining of his removal from that office; hut, as it had b en
mislaid, he would make a motion on the subject. La -t
minion a bill hail been brought in to regulate friendly 1.1, ie.
ties in the three kingdoms, which had been referred b. a
comm.ftee of their lordships, of which he (Lord St. G r-
mans) was chairman. The hill, as it came up from P.e
Hoeft of rmnmons, provided that the barrister who certi-
fied the rules of these societies should in future be Billed the
registrar, Red that the appointment should be in the attor-
ney-general ; hut, by an amendment of their lardshipor, the
appointment was transferred to the gift of the Commissi nen
of the National Debt, and was to he held during pl. asu• .
It was, however, distinctly understood that the
persan who held the appointment should be continued in
them ; and that the power of removal by the commissioner*
Mould only be nominal. There was a difference of opinion
an to the conntruction of the act between the Attorney-Gene-
rid for Ireland and Mr. Napier, of the Irish bar. • It was,
however, clear that it was not intended by the act to create
new appointments, and Mr. Tide! Pratt, who had held the
office in F.-Timid, was retained withnnt the form oc a re-en-
pointment. The noble earl then moved for copies of the eor-
respondence between the government and Mr. Mara, relat-
ing to the office of Registrar of Friendly Societies in indeed.
The Martinis of LANSDOWNE said it was quite Vito
Mr. Tidd Pratt h .d been continued in his situation: hut
that gentleman had been connected with the very fo,nelation
of these societies, and had applied his great industry and ability
exclusively to the subject. Bet the certifier of roles •ix
Ireland and Scot tad was on a different footing, for it was
the established practice in thou' countries that the g• nth men
filling that office Is as also the 0.-donut to the Attorney ar.d Soli-
citor-General, and in their confidence; and an Mr. Mara
only hell the office under the late Attorney-Genentl, he
retired with Win, an was the prietiee with all Atterney-
Genendis of Ireland and Lord Advocates of Scotland, ti,, y
wishing to keep the functions of 'deist rto the Attorn • ss
General and certifier of friendly saci lies combined. •,„
The Earl of ST. GERMANS mid there was igniquopa:!lfiatti• -,
tion as to the future appointments, but only whotber brA I ....:•.:
Mara should have been re-appointed or nut. The ilfect,el.' W -..-.,,,
the present arrangement wan only to get • permanent situp, J. I, .. :
Aj.arl
tion for the gentleman who now held the office, an Ili. aft ....- ,
intouilcil tho registrar nit to go out with oven. govesE. -..., \
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