The Express.
London, England, 1847-03-23 00:00:00

Us when the steed was stolen. What
,tatnd big
Ohl "
okia frkad (Lord G. Bentinek) contended was there
kaa been &grist demeans in the population, in consequence
to s 1 for affording sustenance to the people having
kw, „dated and, though the means for meeting the deett-
katio night be elficimt now, they were only so when the
owe CHANCELLOR had been se reduced.
The of the EXCHEQUER observed
...nue, was a fallacy in the comparison which the boo.
'": bad drawn. The two months quoted as those
• which the large quantity of meal had been supplied,
wee immediately previous to the potato crop being
is, and when the previosui crop was exhausted,
two months during whiea the small distribution
wak igace were those which immediately followed the har-
vest, who the supple of food, especially of the potato, had
bfta gathsred in. With regard to the depots also, had the
hie. gentleman taken the trouble to inquire he would have
mind the eiteumatances in that respect also so dissimilar as
p Welt anything like a comparison being made. Previous
*the lest honest, the system seas to have soma few large
esmree depots, and, at the some time, to constitute the
micto coast guard and constabulary stations small depots,
ia which s few salsa of meal were deposited to supply, by
feted, tte people in the immediate neighbourhood. These
ma depot' had been discontiuued, but the number of large
depots had been more than doubled. The main fact, how-
MT, was that the arrangements which had been made had
Teen so successful in so far th it had brought full supplies
ae grain* into Ireland. The number of rations which had
pep issued since January was 7,000,000, and the daily
raises limed were 266,000. As a proof of the success
of
the course the government had adopted he would
reed a letter from the Dean of Achunry, who though he had
entertained strong doubts on the subject in the &et instance,
Prom his eon experence, had become convinced of the bene-
ficial result of the plan pursued by the Commissary-General
in providing food for the people—le :
tat* m tats this opportunity' of tearing my teetimony to the
jithineso of the views taken by the Climinimary-Cenral in reference
so the nude ofpithv (ding fuel or ttligraer gel< y . I have hadop.
tarree I hors of aitianirmgmticenezpended in se'llr4ttm7M a!sa lees
blow ass pvlce, and ea sooner was the fund athausted than
the remit dealenx who had been obligni in some iIIAULLION to
give up selling, renromenced it unusually high price. to
mintsizs g
depot fusion time; and in tome ones the meal Diu' sold had been
at the din while it continued open. Thus the poor
were kit le a wormers than
do if there
at had been no interference. In
my own ,tha althoegb had übts test as to the expediency of
thie nth. I basemen the benefinal mulls of acting in Accordance with
the IVOilaktioo tithe Onamimary-lienerat I thee void at the theme
ef a mammon my lied meal to the amount of NM (beside. rice,
Jeer, and other provision") and this has not out Obi 011ie
SW* ((except the inconvenience of keening about rim,
Agit). 6y adding V. per ton to the price paid at as
thin the a devianceof fen I have covered all
mg pievkled for • poor woman (with a family of twelve),
=TAM pence who weighs and mils the melt (with eight in
family), them to the amount .041. eseb within ten weeks. The advan-
tage so the neighbourhood has leen very great. Fora mile in every
&m ice mad me the private dealers sell at a ITINOCIabit profit If
IMO said at a ices (apposing I could have afforded it). I should have
mpg be *thin &niers, and thereby have limited the supply in
jumpily; mot if I had net sold at all, prices would have been
woe, in to neighbourhood. as they are in other parts of the district.
1 nein, nem facth conelthive en the anitoet now so much dia.
era. (Mar. hear.)
Me. P. HOWARD suggested to the government, whether
it was not persiMe to send out to Ireland a greater quantity
of food, is the form of biscuits, by which means the evils
analog from the want of firing to prepare bread stuffs for
am would be avoided.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed
that already considerable quantities' of biscuits had been sent
eat, and (as we understood) the supply would be continued.
The order of the day was then rend, and the house re-
ethyl itself into committee on the bill, Mr. Gannet in the
ale r.
Clams 3 was agreed to without any discussion. On
Chum 4 being put.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved an amendment, the effect
of which was to take from the board of guardians the ap-
pointment of relieving officers, and to vest those appoint-
ment. in the poor-law commissioners.
The amendment wu supported by Mr. Smith O'Brien,
Mr. M. J. O'Connell, Mr D. Browne, Mr. Cripps, Mr.
Stafford O'Brien, and Mr. Grogan ; and opposed by Sir U.
(trey, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Mr. Shaw.
After a short discussion,
Mr. HAMILTON withdrew his amendment, and the,
lotus was agr. ed tea
Clause 5. Medical officers may be appointed.—Agreed to.
Chose 6. Relieving officers ma give provisional relief
until the next meeting of the guardian.
Mr. HAMILTON moved the substitution of words giving
the relieving power to a relief committee.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN was understood to support the
imendment
Mr. W. S. CRAWFORD said that a relief committee
would be a bad substitute for a relieving officer an I would
occasion great trouble to the paupers. He hoped that go-
vernment would retain the clauoe as it stood.

„---
After a few words from Mr. BaaLsw,
Mr. SHAW thought it necessary that there should be
some authority interposed between the relieving officer and
the guardians.
Sir G. GREY said the proposed committee appeared de-
signed to meet the cue of great and sudden emergencies ;
but its effect, in reality, would bete delay the administration
of relief in ouch cases, thereby defeating its own object.
After a short discussion, in which Mr. D. Browne, Mr.
Ross, Mr. Grogan, Mr. John O'Connell (who urged the
neces,ity of clergymen of all persuasions being on the boards
of guardians), Sir. R. Ferguson, and Mr. Stafford O'Brien
took
Theart, clause waa aereed to.
Clause 7, providing relief to wife or child, to be relief to
husband or parent, was then moved, and
Mr. VESBY mowed an additional proviso to this clause,
to the effect that no wife or child should be admitted into
the workhouse without the husband or parent for more than
week, unless with the sanction of the poor-law commis-
Users.
bit G. GREY opposed the introduction of this proviso, os
the ground that it would render legal that which was ade
illegal by the precious clause.
Mr. Sesw and Mr. G. A. Ilawarow supported the
addition of the proviso.
The motion fur the additioa of this proviso we, then ue-
faired, and the clause agreed to.
Clauses 8 and 9 were then agreed to, and
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he hoped members who had
ration on the paper for this (Tuesday) evening, would
postpone them, in order that this measure might be farther
proceeded with.
The Cremator then reported progress, and obtained
free to sit again.
CUSTODY OF OFFENDERS BILL.

Oa the motion for the committal of this bill,
Mr. R. DENISON asked if the important question of
trimportation was to be brought formally under the con-
sideration of the house ?
Lord J. RUSSELL said it must eventually come under
the consideration of the house, but the present bill would
sot raise the question.
Sir J. GRAHAM observed, that before he left office, he
had strongly felt the necessity of some change in the system
of transurtation. He was anxious to enter into the consi-
deration of the question, but he did not see at present how
be was to do so except upon the present bill. If, therefore,
the government persisted in prersing its consideration on
Thursday morning, he must be there ; but at the same time
be could not but feel that the arrangement would be attended
with serious inconvenience.
Sir G. GREY said he had named Thursday as the most
mosecient day to members generally.
Mr. HENLEY thought a subject of this importance ought
sot to be discussed at a morning sitting. (Hear, hear.)
After some further observations,
Sir J. GRAHAM asked if the government would consent
(this till being passed without discussion) to afford an oppor-
tunity after Easter for the consideration of the whole question
in a distinct form ?
Sir G. GREY said be thought such a discussion would be
most desirable, and saw no reason why it should not take
Place ; but it was fair that he should add, that the govern-
ment bad no measure in contempl►tion which was likely to
we it.
The bill was then committed pro furnid.
The Louse adjourned at a quarter put one o'clock.

ORIGIN or SAVINGS BA:VER.—These admirable
institutions (says a correspondent of the Atheneum) are
one of the many good works which we owe to tne practical
and philanthropic body of Quakers. The first savings bank
was
established at Tottenham (Oct. 22, 1708) by Priscilla
Wakefield—a name unknown to our biographical diction-
aries. The success. remarks Mrs. Wakefield, in No. 84
of the "Report* of the Society for Bettering the Condition
of the Poor,") exceeded our expectation—above sixty
children bringing their little treasure monthly; and, in
coasequenee, a more extensive plan was adopted in 1804,
when • regular savings bank on the present system was
formed 'for the profitable deposit of the marines of la-
bourers and servants.' The books were kept by a lady;
51t trustees were appointed, who were each respon-
sible for 1001.; and for every additional 100/ that accu-
mulated, a new trustee was added. Five per cent was al-
loved oil every Mc which remained twelve months in the
kinds of the trustees. The money received was invested
each month in the funds, in the names of two trustees altar-
niatelY• This was the first distinct " bank for savings " pub-
'47 set on foot. It was founded by Mrs. Wakefield, and
remained for many years under her management. It is still
in existence. In 1813 J. H. Forbes, Esq. (a brother of Sir
1S .Forbes), en active director of the Edinburgh Mendicity
the having acquainted himself with the plan of
we Tottenham Bank, proposed regulations, which
l!tve at once adopted, for the establishment of •
sale institution in that metropolis. In consequence of
the rblished reports of this society accompanied
b 7 "directions fir establishing similar hanks, with the mode
O~Pig_the accounts and conducting the details of busi-
(Edinburgh, 1816), and et the puklicity given to
them by an article in the Edinburgh Revived the same
yeirt there institutions gradually spread throughout the
°cuter It was not, however, until 1818, that they were
ant established in London. In 1817 an act of parliament
ntrased " for the protection and encouragement of Bulks
utga" : since which time they have become universal
JEngland. A plea somewhat similar was suggested by
limes,' Bentham, about the same time that Mrs. Wakefield
',Wished the Tottenham Savings Bank, though it was not,
4Lltitouitit, acted upon.
IHE THEATRE AND THE CIUTICB.—A Berlin eel,
"'Patient of the Leipsie Gaulle, gives an amusing in-
'tame of iniannderetanding between a theatrical manager
toil the critics. Knstner, the manager, for some offence,
''.drew several free tickets from the litteroteurs. No
!sem had he done this, however, than he began to dread
we consequence'. To make himself secure, ho has ad-
ed a note to the critics, threatening that if they make
ay Amber attacks upon him, he will retort to the severest
12" genishment—he will publish the mercenary letters
Ma received.