The Express.
London, England, 1849-05-12 00:00:00

lbw opplia,llll bid he state that bee repot 'e pvereneest
kiwi age se Asps to nee their mediatios betweea Amalfi
Iguiery, and the Ameriaa goverment bed kennel
▪ emhe fee suck ranks.
FRENCH EXPEDITION TO BOISE.
dr. B COCHRANE asked whether any semonsioatims
W pout between the %riga ode" and the toren-
wag of the Freon repare respestiag re expeditioa
0 gar- ? He eight eke ask whether I was the remain
our gonensiest to mediate ?
Lan PALMIERTON.—No official written mosatelos-
o. mi.ed. We have bees made swan of the run
gar of the Preach goneurest by verbal enumaiestions
woo the Preach unmade, sad resit
COLONIAL SALARIES.
Mr. SCOTT haves referred to his restos for sa Manes
fie Mara of "Auld salaries. wee undoireed to ask when
el • rattans wre likely to lie 'Depleted ?
• HAWES thought the hon. umber ought to modify
gas return The mended of see part of it arm would
00 spot He bad seseenned that by eyeful ineisy. If
re kie. gentleman would modify his esters, be would tell
him whether he Bald empty with it or sot.
caoLzas AT CLONMIL
le sieve to • gustier by Mr. SCOLLT, relative to the
iisaing nut of the choler in the gaol at Memel,
54 G. GREY said that the Lord-Lientemant had reed
wiry emotion to relieve the gado ia the county of
Tipperary. Oa • formerneseion, when a quern had bean
asked se to mother gaol, ke had stated that it was the sates-
fen el the goverment to adept ressuree to this the gaols.
THE PAUPER POPULATION OF IRELAND.
Mr. B. DENISON aimed for isfeeerAva Oa a %ameba
esspeseitg which mach difference of opines pondede yr,
se to the ~umber of able-bedied we in the dldeired seine
sew rie • king r **deer relief, and the washer td tires of
had lately in cultivation, awl now lying eissieldried.
Bic W. SOMERVILLE Gould sot give a
answer •i, either of the
geoids's. By the neon he
Mgr
the total cumber receiving relief warm the led oiliest Ilea
ISS 000, hat in that weer be reledn wane sod *him
H. would radeavuur to proem the fern as to aMrMied
paupers. Hs bad no Mesas of iatereang bh his. Mewl of
the quantity of lead lying were.
BRITISH 114 lIRVENTION IN SICILY.
lb. URQUHART asked the First Load of the Tressiery
etiodiee the calms" were aware that Bir W. Parker was ma
fee to Nester by the British noisier vibes they shun to
pailiameut that he west then of his ow* "ern
Lied J RUSSELL mid that the hoe. pudenda mend
le have 'oedemata two diligent liSmottolio go*
nes which he (Lord_ J. Itassell) was send dos
led
(be led set nerved to the debates of the
whether Sir Wm. Parker west to Naples in sesnegenworA
es eider et bee Majesty's goverment at hems. owl If be
the panne si inedereg with the expedition * est supplied
sheet to rut err Naples to Skil. His stetemest" ark
Ise the buss were, that Sir Wes. siker been sent had not
by gonniment—that he bad gone then, he (Lon J. En•
selli =Lilt have rid, of his own eosin, is seessepirse of
the question relating to British interests. Se alitini what
those questions were—sue was with reforms to • herd
bra:r no withrsfereace to cartals 81edlians who kiM law
copra d ; and he stated, with regard to two of dime pew
does, that a settlement bad been and. and se le the WM,
Ike negotiations had bees going es. This it append to
kiss, we a sudden answer to the question' directed to la-
gers whither semisweet had seat Sir W. Parkes to
Naples
to prove ni the departure of the Neapolitaa squairea.
Table
bee. err I. sow rehired to a mere from Lord Neer
that Sir W. Pune would go eo Naples hs Febraery. When
be (Lord J. Resell) answered the question lie had not la
his mind what had ocemed in February. Sir W. Parka
bad last Niels', gone to Panne, sad *pis retureed Oa
Espies, and he saturelly "spend, ism germ of re
lar apemen" of Napier,qeseloas were
asked. The cos. gewdenen weld fled la the Bluebook
the ressos why as the 29th of July Bir William Parker was
se Nape.. He stated It ia his letter to Lord Napier, ear-
pletely minim what he (Lord J. Russell) stated on re
fftli of Anger. As to any prime request of Lord Napier
that Sir William Parker would go to Naples, he did sot ex-
actly to io.lleat the edieranistances which than occurred, bat
he did twasmbor that when L Itinto, who was at Roar',
was informed Sir Willis. Parker bad as latention of going
to Naples, be &bid the Neapolitan insister whether it was
agreeable to the King of Naples that • British squadron
should appear at Neon, sad when the Unsaid that it wenagreeable to see British ships at Naples, but he did not think
their preens there at the moment wood be conducive to
his lateen Lord Kiato took are to Isfota Sir William
P. Arr.
Mr. B. COCHRANE asked whether the noble lord was
aware of a etwereet that Sir W. Parker had received a
letter from Lord Napier, who informed him that the pie-
eof tee equadroa would probably add weight to the ne-
hes he and Lord Miato had in hand.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that in August he was referring
to what bad thou recently occurred. He must say further,
that Lord Napier had no power to command, direct Sir W.
Parker to go to Naples at all, although ight think it
&arable.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.
On the motion at Lord J. RUSSELL, it was ordered that
the hone at its doing do adjoin till Monday ant.
LAND IMPROVBEMENTLAN AND DRAINAGE
(18is) BILL.
Oa the reties for the aseoed reading of this bill,
Major BLACKALL wished to guard himself against
teaderratiag the vane of this bill, but in present simian.
Mason the parts of Ireland which moat required assistance
would he the puts where this bill would be most lupus-
Mot. This hill was at present antaely eonlncd to drainage
sad tasking roads. In the transitioe which Ireland was
now undergoing, the farms were gradually being consoli-
dated, and up-en those fume so consolidated there were
with- r houses nor farm buildings applicable to the new
state of affairs, and he could sot undetected why there
ahead stet be a power seder the bill to remedy the ssiseske.
An admast should be ride for farm buntline, which might
be as good security fur the money advanced as drainage or
roads. The km. member thin read an extract from as
Irish paper, to show the advantages which might be de-
rived from den cultivation. The cultivation might
be very inch improved, if, under the provision of
this bill, power wee elves for erecting Sax nulls.
The hoe. sad gallant member complaieed of the many
snow which bad been committed in the public works la
Ireland, mid, having read an ..tract describing some in-
seam, sad espoused one er two alteration% coseluded by
expresent his unarm not to oppose the bilL
Mr. 8. CRAWFORD, hoping that thh bill would not
stead ia the way of larger reairree, should give his vote
he the mend readies.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER mid that
the seggaitions of bun. members were simile* to those wade
daring the pimp of the bi.l last year. They were folly
dimmed. sad aegstiv din both houses. The hon. member
he Shropshire had, on a former evening. nine a comphint
as to the rode in which the relief works Were traduced.
The bet wee, that the elleeties of persons employed was left
I. the buds of the local relief committeee, who were to
his.. if peps vigthisee sad meow wen net mercer.
The how memberbed himself seesinated a email shopkeeper
is set oversee of public worts, and when the inspector came
dove from Dahlia he found his with all his men sitting Idle
" leader • kedge.
Mr. 0. GORE said that when government works were
serried ea ea his had the first intimation his agent bad me
4 dreaud fee 2001 en their completion, ber g the rue .of
301. per are he draiseme. Bat the sees he bad mirs hued
is a former cessers was roily is. *Mean ; he had two
shoe, to whir he eke* mow albedo. In on we
1.1101. Ins charged he drainer la Westmeath on
pine et mead entaising sin and a half urn, being at
the este of 351. pie are. (Hoar, hear.) The ether ere n-
eared is Mien reopens' whin ha had reeved a letter, of
en* the following w as error " I was happy to se
yen wad of the beard of weeks la this day's paper. I
preen*, ems exemered under Labonkere's letter. la
this a small pine of drainage wee attempted, bet Serra
the sub-rain sever land bees dosed. Whoa
sample; it wend have leered *set three priens of au
are, sad I paid fie it 241. It nen to ban lira don for
41. ; bat, pose Its esollperelme Prier dearemard, the whip
an detersaised to ran belead." (Lind langblie.)
Mr. S. ADAIR ban testrisey to the vane of the works
serried ea wader Mr. Laboothere's
Mr. F. TRENCH red set astielpote may real Mushy
her either of those mares. He eh" set enemies to
the het that ki miry resemee the Bee* of Wane bed =s-
ternly emeded the seer which bed bees spool by the
parties geed be expended la rem verbs, sod _assented
that 101110 instil should be pined on the bee*, sod thee
they should est be lift, se they now were, both the phones
sad paymaster el the impronneute ferried amt leder the
elem. He esewidered that owing to the dear
stases of the &dries whisk this bill was to Nisi,
dm is mold be, ft far ei they tyre , berm in.
L the germ and artheen &inn the peeprietere would
noise& be shed mashes to obtain the advantage whin it
dirtied ; whin mead ase he so la the souther" sod wester"
Metre, the hailer& wend eareely be willing to
hero theories, still farther dm they were already. Hs
died* oe the bill booms it would neither meet preset
ear lay the beadstioa of
whfatter impreveresi. He
= ear
no Omni isk might be aseseszy
ins re 'cedillas of the people of Inheed.to es equality
awh themselves would be reign by the Lei* people.
(Han Wier.) What was eopirells en Mies sad wee
tern dismissi was railways • finny** peednes to the mar-
kets. As admen of a minim oral opus up bar gads
ter Bon ; sad while 11 wield do mote, Perhaps,
the. asytoreg roe tower& fats. prosperity, it
Win le 'droned mere the most perfect security
repayment. He hoped that the Chancellor of the
Earner would has his attentive still further of he
the sowlltion of Ireland. The evidences before
the Lilo
Mamie** showed that is Connaught alone
bre me SUN ores of the beet land lying waste, the
rhos in of which, if brooreht into cultivation,
kalkaas at and lees than 2,600,0001. This was a
sebierwthe she** set imps notice by ministers, when
.sans gin penvidieg employment foe the
salkid a .sans
for the form prosperity of the country. (Hear)
Ms. HORSMAN enema that after the large ems whisk
led been already advineed it was probable that this extra
ball Lilies would wit do arch barn to Euglend, neither,
using the large mass whisk had been wend is Deland, was
Mikely to do awe mod to that emery. Hs esesured
aith the last speaker, that the bill wee see Melly *kb! yaw
tel, tidier tar proms porpoise or as Win thew bMela
farm to meat. Bat reesoni Inhavertin _be the
bill
m
ens t r important inastriejpen= leveleed ht *en
is ems the house elettew ebb
wit the reel emsdnesidea of that blind, beeninlid,
_A ruinous system of ding ene difilsidties for the mmenset
witless caring for the hare, which had boa se hog

Wowed, or whether it was a put of • new a* wiser systole
to polity. From the apes* of the Chased* ef the Er.
**oar of the ether Art he evesieded that the bill was of
the termer eharester. And that ere* bed gene far to
IS lie fears that this new lout was ef the sane che-
ek/Wes and meld kW* the seine muss as nosy ethers that
hid /me before k, sad that it week ge into that *loath*
into
they het eat. *ladled /alga data& pro.
an Shit weary (safer*/ ashe was at this
dew then say elk* .f ef airs Goal meet Aid
he that sash woe the f.eU. of the English
re* dint there ware as elms of itseasity la their power
whisk lbw** set peep veal se smoke at behalf of their
mining fasievsol‘sess_ip the deter sightly. (Hear, bear.)
At the ems dine be amid net militate* eseeddedes this
zses peelismeat Anil *mew war tosomiool prin-
. The erase idioms lova to be regard. d
aisal•mrpuraisisse in rind* awl in * remits, and
as to aisle faller at dialisedan and slimed a
beam & fain esonteks. (Hese, km) He did net tea.
isle. that the OhniseiLli Oda Hub trees arrataits were
at en eattolootely when aware& with the fasts as they stood.
TM right bee. rake* had said that having sessooded is
wad* the progress of Lai* red remain life by the
Anna advises, sew they shield praised us measures of
==asimprovemsat. (Seer.) Bet if the inessores at
wen set to be men soessufal thee these far
the presuroki- en of Ws had been, wither government ate
W hems wield have mark rases to esoratelate them-
selves. Let them leek to the asoosets of the ntertelity in
inkrados they appeased in the rib* porn and in rivets
lateek Is sae assn, Perm% he Land that dersi s the
that for samba at the year, the deaths bad animated
N ist76 ; in aber salons, the mortality was equally
pea. N. dreowstanse weld Isere scattily ilk&
beds the &sperms state to whisk she ragas were
esisead than that stated the other emaing by the km. min.
Mr In Dereaskire—of s who, rabic through ene
dada in Inland, wee to asp kis- sax that the feel
mid dying night be sat MO way. flesh bad been
W soseess et the mama oldie goevromat le reaming
lifs. Hew ins this to be asseuntell• far beat the returns
="dappiZieladatleiiTte Ir=edy flaletheill=:mawerak
is tisk eadmitiso would be solsiest ta prevent the pare
dying of SOMMIO13•111 l but aswhalf at thew amenna only
was *vaned. The seasallifitys theaskee, auk sat rat
with the isershoo ter gam,widow avid it rest
with vodka**, for parlialwat had est* oval greet the
(moonset mg repota he this
.panpise. The Chasse,*
of the lashagesr the other imam
.1* stated that than
were of reterekg prosperity; th even %like
had it *ea, sad that *thin bet this loan was se-
wag le sel it **legs. The right bee. retinae stated
that cite balite& were laying out capital.
The CHANCELLOR of be EXCHEQUER—No, I
did net say
Nr. BORMAN—The right hon. gentleman read the
War of Mr. Burke, stating that the tenantswere akin
farms ; that seitiestl* was proceeding.
The CHANCELLORnd of the EXCHIMIJER at it
did not state that the lalords were kyle. eat stoney.

Mc HORSMAH—But that Airmen were taking larger
limme, that as improved system of husbandry had commenced,
selMat Mennen:es were beginning to share in the benefit.
If this teem. we true, there would be bat little cans for
=, and It might reasonably be hoped that Ireland
the nest, sad that better days ware denier upon
her. tfahnsastaly, however, they had other ',ideate of
at least es hie a dee% bat of • different Mars:ter. Is
tioa to the widen, which lied ben quoted the othe aUaddi
ht
by the tight hoe. baronet (Sir R. Peal) of the land wMch
had bees allowed to go out of cultivation, they had the eel.
dens of Col. Knox Gore, Captain Hamilton, end others,
clawing that in this very anion of Bailin, so late as April
last, so sensible improvement had taken place—that 68,0001.
was due for sneers of poor rate, and that only 10,0001. has
boss collected daring the last year. It appeared that if
the evil ruder which belied was suffering was not distinctly
seem It was impossible that the remedy could be effectual,
sad that it was their duty, whatever ware the measure pro-
posed, to compare It with the evil which it protean to
remedy—in other words, to ascertain whet relation there was
between the milady sad the cure. They should ask them-
selves AMID questions: what was the reel evil to be
cured ; in what way did the mann proposed address
Walt to the evil : had they aseertansed whether the evil was
• temporary or a paresennt cue ? and, if it ware a
cent oat, had they addressed themselveo to it witra
t" c:,
forethought, and dirrissination ? In the present circum-
stances ut Ireland they bad to am at the immediate preser-
vation of life, the restoration of healthful agrieultural eels-
tine and the establishment of feelings of sympathy and coo-
firiesee between the two tenures. (Hear, hear.)
Now, the right hoc gentleman the Chancellor of
the Reneguer, had broadly stated ;kat legislation could not
do everything for Ireland, that you caul i not by law instil
=ry or January late the people. But, if you could not
de narer indweety into the people by law, could you
y Vans t (Hear.) But he denied the proposition
elene dee inefficiency of legislation to aid :he people. No one
had mid that legislation could do everything, but wipes who
imillel that it could de nothing was wide of the mark. You
reel set by legislation make a man walk; but, If &viola-
lades had teed his limbs, it could remove the restric-
ting which prevented him from movies them.
Loans perpetuated bankruptcy, retarded improvement,
and taught imillastty to less na external aid. It was•
syr.ma asorkelesesee "in ink', Ince it retained a state
of things nomad, iniacient, and delusive. When he
spoke thus he referred to loos, not given upon any defined
or iutelligible pointy, but wastefully, earelrealy, ruins
may advanced upon isolated, tinconnecui measurer,
eachas the house had been in the habit of
sleeting. It was upon these grounds that le entered his
peeled against the present loan. lie did not object to it as a
messy gnat ; on the contrary, he would aunt to well
rinalated grants of money, even to • much larger intent;
bat they mast be upon a system dint, intelligible, and bees-
Mil.
Sir G. GREY expressed his surprise that the hon. eentle-
men who had just resumed his mot, and who had indulged
is a irate of invective against the bill, should have eon.
tented Maiself with simply entering his protest against it,
end net have mend u an amasdment that it be read a
asond
cep that day sin mouths. If he (Sir 0. Grey) held
sham in= to Ines of the hos. gr ottoman, be Mould
see have troMed the measure so lightly. If he believed
that the 600,111111 L ware to be thrown away and wasted, he
'odd not lave reconciled it to himself, as a num-
b r ef that house, to enter his protest against
the west* of that money, and then to sit still and suffer the
hill M pea. (Hear, hear.) But he must recall the atten-
dee (lithe home to some of the facts stated by his right bon
blend the Cheapener of the Exchequer In proposing the
lean, and which the hon. member for Cockermouth (M.r.
Haranui) had overlooked or suppreeed in dealing with the
=tof hi right boo. friend, although he hid bad ample
o read it in the newspapers. Now, the stamen of
W right boa. Mani ea he the ground of this bill, and that
had Wiled tee bone, though it appeared not to
=la estillei the Ws. member for Cockeenouth, was, that a
la had lees and was already passed by parliament
hr , and Ireland, for the improvement of the
seß, its productiveness, and affording relief to
massy—that the money silenced would not be thrown away,
bet that it would render a valuable return to the priori,-
Mrs en whose estates it was required, and that it would im-
prove the estates by increasing the productiveness of the
soil. In England and Scotland, the results anticipated when
the lean of 2,000,0001. had been given, were to a great ea
teat maned. The fail benefits of that appropriation had
sot as yet been witseesed, because the whole of the money
was set ezpseded. Bat what was the statement of his right
bus. Wad with regard to Ireland? Why, that under
the edemas already mad* by parliament, 23,000 able-
lecedi-el men, representing ! population of 100,000, were now
smideyed end were receinag wages, and that as the loan
was charged upon the estate there was no risk of losing any
=of it. The Loa. timber bad alluded to the en-
Gof Mr. Bourke sad Captain Hamelin, and said that
loans wend aot be applied for is the western districts, bat
the feet was, that they bad bees applied for by
those ditties, and that they were now contributing
lor ly to the employ asset of the people. But
the hos. genismaa asked, what wee the use of
savanna those loan, seeing that they did set employ the
walking Aileen? Tru, they did sot maglat the latter
class, bat then other means—namely pasts ef mean in
aid of retre—had been gins. he sibediwinswild to per-
nee is that 'sedition, aad the eldest of lens was to
meson melees from falling late the helpless date of the
slew ealleind to, sad by the esployment el the maple to
eastalbeee le the Improvement of estates end the we of
the newel Medea. (Haar. Mac) He else observe
is reply M MaJarn nantlemaa Ilist ler 's milieus
aff
hains6 it that ligkimis snit 46 Ist Iseinid.
Inst IMF dil egy wee, thee hibieties set de war
thier-tist mate Meet be dome be the imprenasest of
behind by essidese is that esfe, sad that the object of
the peasest bill was to none edon out of the way of
that immenseest.
Mr. HORSHAM oqielhael. Captain Hesitates, who
was I. the employeent at tic t __moat. had stated that
he meld sot lit the lend be hid seshiseed, earl that he was
convinced that not a snide prepaister is the district would
take sienna of the gnessment gnat.
The bill was then read a mend time, end ordered to be '
ecaueitted en Monday.
INCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
Oa the order of the day being read for the mooed reading
et thi bin,
1 Ifir. STAFFORD said he highly approved of the measure
sow proposal.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL coincided In the views expressed by
the boa. member for Noethanipteirhin.
Mr. GROGAN also approved of the bill, so far as it west.
llt would remove one of the pressing evils of Ireland, and
era a sew page in bar history ; but it ought to be moon.
pen d with as satire nun in the poor law opium.
Sir H. W. BARRON add that within the last tea days
states of perfectly title bad ben offered for sale in the
emits in Dita--that for two of them there were no
rizi.
and that the third was mild at 60 per cent. under its
got He lisilend there was se use in throwing *pan-
dits 'Owl spat the nuke, unless security WON afforded,
ad do youstre at gar rater alleviated.
Col. DUNNE ors ai galas in the expressions of approval
1111 the trill in whieh two of his countrymen had indulged.
He t it es extraordinary piece of legislation, for it
abec,aMithe entire law of the land. It was undesirsb'e at
the resist moment to throw large quantities of land up's
Ihe market,betauw, if sold, it would be purchased by specu-
lators ha this Gantry, eat thus the number of absentees
wend be mereesed.
Bic
A.
hyßirite Ehosig!klasdilotgallsligreest seals tressu.v6w tillikes• believed
that the mosperasaer Ireland meld sever be attained until •
pity was fee trestieninp property been seminal

to doss life proprietors, Is the etweditivo that those l r..). 1
prime, Amid either ho oslopied to reside ea V. it pre-
pimp do mambo fa *be per, or, is Oho mat of earner. to
Sellemptoymest ter the people =Min at It. Ile approved
setts priori* se the bAt. He tboosta it a valuable st.d-
atm so far as it west, bet be feast it woold be Ineffortutt
if not ootootpseied by some moor itr elteekiog the evil of

Kr. TURNER wee undseeleed to met te the net*
of the bin, l at t 004.0 he 1111111==% parties
finely to the power gine le the thought
they ought to be inetrestel to have regard to the barest' of
the first mortgagee. As the bill now steed, the seen -I an
'membered satire might apply for a male, sad same l the
martins to go into the market at • nen sadaveareble
thee, sad when his interest wend be samillesi.
Mr. SADLEIIL quoted Mum to thew that while
than had bete • steadily imeadom number of sits
for the sale 'of membered Malmo is head that Is
the *Mess of the Chief Boofoorkramoor sad the fear
Cheeses, Keeton than had beam a steady densest
in the ember of sales "reek sad therefore the ewe
helm esemeity for mesas sash measen se that before the house.
Hot he hoped that ace eseddentka wield laden the
Ifelleter-Oonenl my the Zesembeed Estates Bill of
lest min, nada wieraca poselled ma ken it was
begmehle to all edam Me herd be woad
Vto this bill kw depe=sof Mon ass, only
ol:1. three valuable weaned raw. bit was
Idle to sapper* that the proposed comedoe would expire
is le, or nee tem, years. They were sow, for the Ann
time, about to ecireowlyW the principle that pmettasses of
hail should snake a petbaseentary title, and it mad be
idle le that say sake of estates maid be effected
mot =the operate of that priadpie, Wiredfore. than**. elenllllWilea besseme, however t
he the lab those wow always maids= whiskit
he Mr sr 'sada propend pedisseentery tide.
Ia fast, it maid beOrly Impossible he the omen el
esteem es meapeto with persons selling radar the operettas
at Oh MR. Meer hear.) A. be reed the bill, the boa.
and honed Solicit4-41tneni MI Mr dr sae of
then sheet laminable name nektillesene who
hearse se large a clam in the milk of H.
it tossid be sleet to ezilude dm diem the benefit=
meneens Wane if they of the. fee sale, they meld
be bemmosil by may conditions, whisk a parliasasalery
lee mold supersede the of. He was oleo
of *elm dist erne provisionliessolgitistilre be made fer
le mess of eoparessary-2,000,000i. of the Ind of
hand being so held. He kaew a case of property held
=gaby three persons who now had a milks suit
m of Chaney for twenty-five years, without any
homediste prospect of an arraagement. (A laugh.) With
wed to the poems of the ereamissionas, objected to by the
hen end learned gateau whe spoke lest, he thought they
=to be most extensive sad semen powers, se as to
these to enforce their seders with midi-
mese. mot only in lived. bet la Ragland and
Seselsed, where se many of the sesetgageos resided.
Ile wee justified in urging the goverment to reader the act
err that all parties connected with property in Ireland
mightl be stabled to avail themes of ha provisions.
Pa kis owe pert, be was entirely is fame of giving the
met samary power for the recovery of arrears of poor
Was from the landlords. He meat those snows due
in respect of land either in their own actual
peameden or in the occupation of such of their
tosser whom rest did not exceed 41. a year eon.
With regard to the butdlinds' exemption from arrest for
rates due by the., he had so wish to see them llab'e
to be arrested. Oa the soma y, he wee satisfied to ex-
Asap their liability to arrest for the more satiated 'nodes
if sehecieg payment he had suggested.
The CIiAnCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—To any 1,
mime ?
Mr. SADLEIR said yes, and mond the house that if
semetideg like what he had suggested were not adopted the
Mien pecjeet would be an utter failure. The
bill maid WOK be made to work. The whets
Meg meld break down for want of puediermem
It was le the power of the goaranteet still to held eat Is-
thmian* to peaks to invest "spite' in the purchase of lead
is Ire mad. There were may privileges and adman. s
that meld "mean m powerful inducements to capitalists to
isnot their men is lead there, and those privileges might
gaily be nermeed to Mai.
Mr. KEOGH should have contented himself with the
ebeeresti be bad made upon a firmer occasion with re-
Spa kb We bill, bat for the doubts throes out as to it by
the hes. aad lamed member for Coventry (Mr. Turner).
hay dmervathe aide by him wee so deserving of yesidere.
dee sad teepee that when he sounded an alarm fey the
Rae& emeingess of Irish estates, the effect might well be
anticipated. That boo. end learned ',mem said in his
opinion the bfil was suicidal as regarded the Imullords of In
lead. Now he (Mr.Xecils)must Peploses to differ with the
hen. and leaned gentreman, ass he believed the bill was cal-
culated to do the greatest good all clue in that country,
from the poor, humble, oocupving tenant, up to the proprir
our biased. (Hear, hear.) The proprietor whose estates
were so heavily encumbered, that he had no means now to
cultivate them, as he ought, although he had to wheels the
starratice of his tenantry, whom employment would
wit only none from rein, bat advance in the
scale of sivilisition, would be sand by the measure,
so would the memory themselves. The boo. and learned
palletise Seed that the bill proposed to ctenfrr extraordi-
nary discretionry peas upon the three comminutes to
be amen neer it ,• now, in that respect, likewise, he
had the indolent, of differing from the hos. member. As
he (Kr. Keogh) read the bill, the powers with which the
commissinere were to be invested were reasonable 'sough.
The directions given could not be more clear or specific.
The ninth section required the commissioners to frame and
r haulms forms of application and directions, indicating the
particulars of the informatics necessary to be furnished, ea
application to them. First, with reference to title; then, as
to incumbrancer, the special circumstances of the lend, and
each other information as in the judgment of the commie,
'loners might assist them in forming en opinion on the appli-
cation. The abieteenth section 'ethernet the commissioners
to direct notices to be given to, and to hear any parties
interested in the land or lease ; it farther stated
that they should investigate the title end the ineumbrances
affecting such lease and hod, and the state end circumstances
of the land, seas to enable them to determine whether it
+Geld be expedient that a sale of all or say p• rt of it es weld
be astir, sad if such • sale should be expedient, then that
they should be empowered at their dimities to make an
order for the sale of all or an parte( seek Ind or of the land
.emptied in the lame. That was undoubtedly a very
proper war to invest the commissionerswith. Aay
person ia poterested in the property might apply to the
comesimiosen, and should be heard; specific nstiem
to all peons concerned being given, and, after a strict
investigation of all the eireumetancee, the commis& .0.
en exercised their discretion as to the expediency of
a sale. There was not the least reason, therefore, for arriv-
ing at the conclusion that petty ineutabrancets, to the event
of a few pounds, might compel the We of any pro-
perty in Ireland. There wee every possible guarantee that
no
seek evil could arise, union indeed hon. members imagined
that the most incompetent persons would be selected as
omeheloners by her Idej.sty's generate. He thought
the enatry required a more compreessive measure,
bat is this *ee the only one that her Majesty's
t would produce this session he was waling
rersamePit. He was is favour of the principle ef the
be, sod lisped no unnecessary oppositioe would bet elven to
h. The ben sad leaned gentlessa concluded a very lao-
lIIIINISIPOrdI midst general Men
Mr. HENLEY was me there was so difference of
either to that house or ebewh-re as to the
ot letting loose the encumbered estates of bend.
illsgwtisa now was, having at length d recorse to th
of giving s parliamentary title, w tahetheru they were
not Mug too far. All they wanted to do wee to let leso-e
the land of Ireland ; end he doubted whether the present
amen woe not too extensive for that mums.
Mr. MARTIN said he believed that there was no prece-
dent for doing what this bill now proposed to do.
He thought it meld be well that the conunissioesers
should is the ant Pam assertsis the value of the laud,
and the amount of the tenableness epos it, and doers-
epee their jurisdictions should rest. prop aid Oat
the three essahnemen be appoiatad by this bill should
have their power confined simply to asosrtaining the estates
to which theirjartediction shield extend ; that thereupon
they should proceed to a sole tithe property, end that the
premeds should be treareferred—say, to the Conn C4in
wan 4UstdhlettalL. He proposed also that these
three atamiedonees Meld be instituted a court of reed,
sad lased of the manyeaslag provided f r by one of the
seem is the bill, he meld emmeitete their ast, m the act of
• meat of resed. heel and hbeillag. •
The SOLICITOR-ORNIMAL feared that the ablest and
effect of the bill were mesh minedeseseed. What they
ellirerithragpowebyre "of the Comet of assesseyes 8.11161 e
eisstiegt atheekav!nalli
of numbered estates, bat without *9 hems dilioultle.
and di lays whisk atteeded the precomlthdi ef that met. It
wee net to be womdetiel at, thelehre, that the esendesiosers
should be forested with the pewees at present la the headset
the Court of Chsessey, (Hear, hear.) Now, with regal to
either sell elassiowthebst we"
thkibmissorßyKoLitaoredveneth:thid: :incetgeT: ;rm."'
lag into pommies they would evidently obtain
no advantage ; bet meld it not operate beneficially
for them if they were need to sell that property at a good
pre ? (Hear, hear.) New there wen one or two modifier
he does which t it desirable to introduce into the bill.
In the fiat elm it Mild be desirable to introduce •a clause
by which dm eseamiedemem should have the power of
making • peddee tbe else ed the sale of Wan of midi-
Tided interests whisk were nentabered, and would came
under the operadsa dthe eat He also proposed that they
should have the pewee to sateen the contracts entered into
with whe pmesed the estates, and that they should
likewise have die power ef festinatess if it were thou?ht dc-
s Table. It was also thought eiviueJe that no prohibition or
mandarins Meld ism to them emblienre from any of the
courts in Delis, so that they Mlle be left perfectly fres
and unlettered in their proutedloot. (Hear, hear.) It wet
to be ob•erved that the ens wbfola the Court ot Chaecery
het imposed for the prelsedea of property bad not only
defeated the obj• its of allpertin—ownees and henbane,-
-but had defeated the ellieste of the very peesoce
originally introduced those hms. The hones would form
an incorrect nodes' if they seppeeed that these pronyien
evils in the Court of Chancery arose from • disinclination NI
tithdelpay frtoomf lathwye
casters to do
dwhatike
systweeemjuswth.
ichThheyadarroase"essoupn-
for a long period of time, sad whisk the forms of the court
did not allow to be other than it wee. He would shortly
refer to en butanes in • letter whisk was seat to hint free
Indeed by a neaten agent experience. After stating the
large number prostates tali ode for sale, he aid that one
estate was a striking bream of the' injurious effects of the
Present system. It had now been twenty years under the
Coed of Cheaciery. Bight different suits were instituted by

Ines alms flit la mid There were fray Iva defend-
ed. •e seek oak It was Mod that a good title world not be
weds in all these suits, ewe at the request of all parties he
insulated a task nit in 11112, which, althoeteh an amicable
one. had cestiord in amosery fur aim pads, and was
likely to madam longer hollers a ale could be effected.
The midere of the system of the Court of Chancery,
and the system of towns of estates is Ireland,
had brought things te each a dead loch, that unless
the legislature intarkred, both OW/01111 and isms-
Wendt. mere be involved is cm session ruin.
he all persons interested were required to be parties to the
nit, there was souk • sonitiplkation of laterals that it wee
unporible te mime at any eceeledes. The lumourable
weather for Pton had posed that the money
should be pain l wiseart of Plies, to be dim*
trihuted, het the remit of that weold be that the Omit of
Common Flees, having to administer chancery law, wield
• Wilt the *Ms of die Cwart of Cbwary. sad week be
breught saw asseektecidiscredit in w thealmilley
now wee. hewed it would not be able effectually le de4dor M
died matins who were desirous to obtain what ewe 1
entitled to. What the commissioners had power to eow
to divide the mosey at once, and they she bad power, when
they thought It, to pay the money into the Court of
Chancery, and that court was empowered by this bill to deal
with the money, by petitloa, is a summary way, without
resorting to the old proems of bill and answer. Ile had en
Noxious desire to concur with the hon. member for Carlow
lis Aegis; rid of the middlemen, and In ter elands of the
hill there was power to that effect. Great are had
been taken, in framing this bill, to enable the purchaser of '
the estate as get late immediate relation with the penes who
was to deal with the land. The boa. member toe Cocker-
mouth had said that what they ought to look to was a merits 1
of aseasures to Mora the state of the kw. &nerd measures
had been introduced into the house this *mien with that
shied, sad if they should lorry all these steawares, although
they might do a great deal towards the regeneration of Ire-
lord, it was by SO means to be thought that they had arrived
at a conclusion. There remained a great deal to be done.
and it was not without coadderation that they could
prams all the remake. By this seam, there would be
produced a certain amount of lands, which wruld have •
pee getly emu title. He was saddled that if ma-
sons of this description were carnal late effect from
time to time, there would be no and of coercion bills
or of a suspension of the Habeas Caves Act. For one
thing be would claim merit on the part of the monument,
tie , that of being desirous to receive from all quarters mug-
mottoes of every kind, with the solo dew of doing good to
that uefortanate country.

Mr. NAPIER said that the course he =sat to pursue as
Se this WE was the same which he endeavour. d to perste
lent seed= se to the former bill. He should endeavour to
to give hS best anistance to make the details es perfect as
pedble, and realest° hinted( the opportunity of consider-
the bill in its amended slate, and opposing or support-
ing it, as he might think it useful to the country. He had
head tonight fee the first time that there wee no such a
thing as a marketable title is Ireland. The mil had been
mach aggravated, not by the Court of Chancery, but by the
legislature of the country. In 1838 parliament gave power
to the judgment creditor to appoint • r. giver, and there
was so greater evil in Ireland at this moment than the mul-
tiplication of receivers over property. He bad been
Wormed by ea* of the Masters, that • large pot-
ties of his time was occupied every day in
appMating receivers, because every man who had
a- jadonest of the smallest sweat could apply to have a
receiver. la 1841 another act was parsed giag judgment
enditen an additional power of treating their judgments as
specific equitable imumbeasess, the same se if the party had
charged the lead. If the administration of the Court of
Chancery is Ireland was bad, it must be tea times worm
England. By this bill they wars girths the power of &court
of equity to a new court. What was the new mart but ea addl.
dorsal Court of Chancery 'Pithier' proceedings put on • proper
foundation ? Mama they could satisfy the Louse that the
Court of Chancery had not machinery to carry out the sub-
stantial obieet of the bill, why should they propose to appoint
• aew court ?
The bill was then read • second time, and wisest to le
committed on Monday seat.
DEFECTS IN LEASES BILL.
The SOLICITOR GENES AL in moving that this bill
be read a second time, ezpleinen that its object was to path,e
certain defects in the elocution of powers with which boo.
and learned members who were in the habit of attending
the courts of law and equity were no doubt familiar. The
best explanation which perhaps he could give would be to
describe es instance in which the law as it stood at present
worked unfairly. A person having property on the Lanka
of the Thames obtained a private act of parliament em.
powerieg him to grant building leases, provided that in
the lease granted the highest rent possible was
reserved. But it wee customary to grant leases at a pepper-
corn rest for the first year, reserving a high one for future
ran. In Inch cases tiro lease might be set aside for infor-
mality; sad to prevent that injustice was the object of the
prreat bill. lie proposed to effect it by giving certain
powers to the Court of Chancery, which would be explained
in the three short dau,ss of the bill.
The bill was then reed a second time, and the committee
filed for Monday next.
ACCOUNTS TURNPIKE TRUSTS (SCOTLAND)
BILL.

This bill watt through eommittee, Yd was ordcnd to be
reported.
ST. JOHN'S (NEWFOUNLDLAND)L. REBUILDING
BI • .

This bill also went through committee without discussien.
GRANTS OF LAND NEW SOUTH WALES BILL.
Mr. HAWES, in moving the committee on this bill,
complained that it was pine ly a technical bill, intended to re
in its doubts es to the validity of certain land titles in New
Son h Wales.
Mr. F. SCOTT called for a fuller explanation. They
should be cautious lest in confirming titles in one part of New
South Wiles they were invalidating them in other places.
Mr. HAWES said that the grants had been made many
yeses goo, and more recently the colonial wooed had sought
to confirm them by proclamation. A local act was also
passed for the purpose, but it was suhsequently found that
application must be made ti the imperial legislature to con-
firm it.
In answer to another question from Mr. Scorr,
Sir 0. GREY said that the bill referred to certain grants
of land which were made under proclamation by G 1
Darling. A local act was pissed confirming the grants, but
it was found that local legislatures could not interfere with
the lands of the crown, and consequently the bill had been
seat home for eonfirma•ion by the imperial parliament.
The house then went into committee on the b ill.
Mr. F. SCOTT repeated his question.
Sir G. GREY feared that he had been reimnderstood by
the ton. and learned member, and repeated his explanation.
The right hon. hart. added that if any co:onial land titles
should be disturbed the parties aggrieved might apply for an
act like the present.
The bill then passed through committee.
ATTACHMENTS COURLAND)TS
BILL. OF RECORD (IRE-
Oa the motion for considering the amendments to this bill,
Mr. GROGAN moved that the bill be recommitted is
order to introduce a dance to compensate certain marshal.
men wed ether °Seen who had been elected by the corpora-
tion, and who had held their e ffioes for many years. He
contended that under the Municipal Corporation Act these
parties would have the right to c impensatica.
Mr. REYNOLDS opposed the clause, and in reference to
one of the parties on whose behalf the roposition was made
(Mr. Butler), said that he was now receiving as compeer
don an sllowsnce of upwards of 4401. a year, and having got
another appointment in the Court of Attactimeate, he new
came forward to ask for cuispensation, when it was p=l
to abolish a court which was utelees in itself, sad
great and unnecessary hardships on the poor ishlem of
Mr. KEOGH having been alluded to by Mr. Reynolds se
a person who had had sad experience et the winking of the
court is questioo, repelled the lllADUition with musk oratasti.
When a mat was bass enough to east an insinualonaotemmet
easy to do so. True, be had been foolish enough to
security fora friend cf the hon. member, and bad to pay the
debt, but that was not the sense in which the hon. member
made the insinuation.
Mr. REYNOLDS said he had made ooseeseleas in this
matter for peace-sake,'.but that be all along finely be
listed that Kr. Butler possessed no legal right to esompume
teen.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE wished to do what was perfectly
lists towards all parties, and suggested the propriety of post-
, pogo, the subject for some short time longer.
Upon the made. of Kr. °woe', the debate was ad-
, jammed be • Isetaight.
GREENWICH MARKETS REGULATION BILL.
This bid was ma a third tine, and passed.
NEW BILLS.
XL BOURKE brought in a bill fur the better preservation
of @heap, and the sesespeedy delicate"' of receivers of stolen
damp in Tribal.
Sir W. SOMERVILLE brought in a bill to eiontinge for
a limited time, esrain temporary provisions relating a the
collection of grand jury ow in Ireland.
PUBLIC WORKS IN MAYO.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for a statement of all
Imes of public mosey made for the promotion of public
I marks in the county of Mayo, from the let day of January,
I MI, to the Ist day of January, 1846; specifying the date end
purpose el each advance, the authority under which, and
the party whom made; distinguishing grants from loans,
and se forth, in the case of leans, the amount of prin-
cipal r the emceed of interest paid, sad any balance of
principal or interest due on said let day of January, 1846;
also, the time fixed for repayment, and the rate of
rest—Agreed to.
to.
EASTERN COUNTIES RAILWAY.
Use the motion of Mr. CUMMINS, the following select
committee was nominated the Eastern Counties Rail-
way Company: Mr. Charm's, Mr. Lahouch.re, Mr. Glad-
stone, Mr. Roebuck, Mr. Healey, Mr. Ord, Mr. Disraeli, Sir
David Moeda', and Mr. Id insell.
I The house adjourned at a quarter to 1 o'clock.
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ELECTION OF A PEEN or IltilAND.-111 the
Gwen* of Lot night notice is given that writs bays been
issued for the eloon of it temporal peer of Ireland, to m-
ord the late Beal of Goeford in the Bons" of Lords.
Kurds Couzon licisprreu—The Right Hon. the
Barl of Conde has 'Signified his intention ot presiding to-
night (Saturday), over the 10. h ancivenary of this most
useful charity. His lordship's name is f imported by a very
powerful list of stewards, including the Duke of Baooleneh,
the Earl of Harrowby, and the Prime Minister ; the latter of
whom it is expected will stilt further aid the benevolent
new by his presence on the interesting °cession.

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