The Express.
London, England, 1849-02-08 00:00:00

Mitmiss tidy east plan . Wl=
a Ird sell Wee Meer dr-
rseileades ; bat (Or . wee, *et
LW= psepr Mow es peredesdre vein they
the peeper W ten dens the ante&
He-
d Owe was eessishies
_repeign in sztentiss inn
• poops his Meer, witith was te reins • imp
MINS. MA thew. se assepeenlis kr Ids labor. stag
hin saides bee lis dells Miens. Ihis wee enter ihse
wadi wetMMßnret/,eel wistsverilisbeees right& will
the ads wed= sew sesessei be lisped dist, se fir es
say seepediss et Ineing; '
teesereed. heeds/
dist Wight be ileyed leiwer, kweeldset
reetwithebe swes el tile beim New, la We sliaisi4 the
hes. =sabre kr Useidwithe sod lissecos had see sr geed
fairly wins Ober Mein to the essiori et rslwardil Ms
matey as wet
is with the smell pail Is Wwi. It
was very eery is speak el so nob is tie pond paid here
and than, sal It we sexy easy to * sgas ,• bat
IN Wei per* ilea, whir they of so
sea ia the pound, dist that perm& wee a wry
tit=ehlwee4 that •large waster el
el Weil did ret sr it. (Mac) Crash:
ss eigesisd the inequable, dike serer neithis g wee so talk.
dies es tie fsesdeg of ea fterine es *at The expendi-
ten fir the previous of ].defier bed bin Ils. Old., end in
Misr, la 81d. Now, is dins geniense, lie burden on the
peeress/4 net 7se screidand as epardre lett in Ulster
these eiss see arlan, that et ClierX is Deingal, in which
she espown was en lOgd. is the pound—sea* half the vs.
Wain of the whale urea; and if lee. sseenbare looked at
sew et the ease division they weeld gad the disrepertiou
still rare /bail. Is Unser she wee b. ; Hil-
es* it wee Ida 4d. in the posed. Connaught the
average iptas was 6e. 8.1. in the pond ; but the
exposer In the Westport union were on the average 14s. lid.
la Clare they INNS Pk 7d. le the pond, and in the Clifdea
sierra Isa d tb• Clifdea union the rate was Mt. ld.

in the mod. This mist to be done? Supplies they
wow 11. adept themegTolpieas of the hen. member he fluid,
wheelie his works produced anything, ball
the papalaliss died. (Hear, hear.) The ton. mem-
ber kr Bassemessa, wit peat feelings of the greatest
humanity, bad obeerved mos the great numbers that WWI
upon the rellibooks, bat he ought to remember that
if those swab= were sat upon the rate books. lisp
wild be la their rim The same hon. amber
had also desinst that the pcomat ebb of things to bind
woe ath asesthat k had ippon* before ; but that was a
stabs Tess it wee that thin had beta partial Whims of
the imp; is Inland Wars, asi that the charitable p=l
this sesatry had then cams heated to obviate the
mead ; bat never belie for three consecutive years
ail that the whole et the produce throughout
beildd 'sally failed. (Hear.) He bad
read that about
aossaay eip, i. the year 1744 or 1743, there had been a
hod sad mire destruction of the potato crap in Ire-
bad. He knew net exactly what the population of the
offirstry was at that time, bat it must have been small
aompared with what it wee at present. It probably
woe about 2,000,000, and the calculation was, that 400000
'lithe people died the death of famine fa that year. Now,
VISA was the state of thiogs at that time, and if since then
I Owe hod not been a general hikes of the potato crop until
sir, the house might form sew Judgment of what the re-
mit wool be if there was no poor law in Ireland and no
maigalsory provhica for the support of the destitute basil-
lash of that mazy. (Hear, hear.) He knew not that he
swab add anything to the statements already made by bit
right hon. friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer I.
of the mirery which existed in Inland. Ho
hoped that whatever the result of the general slues-
=be, at all events the amendment of the
member for Stroud would not be sainted te.
Mr. HERBERT mid that whilst concurieg in every
word whisk had fallen from the hon. member for Northamp-
tonshire (Mr. Miff rrd), and feeling that the people of Ire.
lid had a right to complain of put misgovernment, he
thought that if the house refused the present motion, that
refusal would be tantamount to a sentence of death upon the
people of Ireland.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE said he would support the motion be.
foes the host*, not because he thought 1, the best rear*
that could be devised under preset sireamemasos
fur Im-
land, but because it was a stopimpt sad with seed
semi relief. He coofemed that he set as pit seen say
spalezzaposal for townland rating which wield Wpatie •
&Ile ea extermination, and he begmei to remind
the house that Irish estates were Dew so am* easumborod
that in point of fact they were its* meadmies. (Hear.)
Bir 0. GREY said, in reply to the hoe. soombee fa
Notthareptonshire, that the ginseng" nt did not contemplate
the possibility of arriving at a towaland rating. They hid
been of opinion that a revisions sad redistribution of the olio
toed divisions weld sot be salhholedly arrived at idled
period inquienizies.sed last year the eassaiseloa, 111111
untvened Mindy imewhed loos the In
order to ossemplidi the ekest with the hes.
hod la Wow, of meld" a saw %hisses of the swam of t
that eee_hasa rad
yethe intigebithe estimilloo. Their
gust 'sport had soislited, tad hod less Mimi to ths
hit= Otemimisa for their epithet as to the expediency
of abbe upon it at ease. Bet Mr list rupees the existing
law was =Elide 111111 no ,new bill was neorisszy. In the
Mesa poor by power wee given to the erasseissiesess to
re-swigs the deslseal dithisme, and they had now the ab.
mite surer hvoinwis them as well as the undoes. do
that Kiley sheath hide Is friar of the report of Os mi.
wthdeases ilea poore it aid be carried into oast at owes,
wiliest amiss to peoliemeat. He thought the her
dooms ths member it Kerry sated unfairly inls
tee gsiesessed ler barbs proposal a imatlttoe h
eempesM
erless.
elms of moat ospriams, whet be at the awe die ppeerr
toast egoist the of US desterel
has towalands. fleas who *NW to the pit no:irim
plead with the 'kw of ionise Mosidea he these
airs the laws samba was 'toothiest, &SUM Wm is
mist that the dresmseamos wither width lit repeal woo,
male were very aillseat ham Ohm whisk alma win
the fkst appeal wee moth to Om hew at the gonad of a
bibs. The whole ddm pow as Whiled at that time
la swan the peami of baba rotated to truly 300,0004,
bent by the psis Wan lb. hems k appeared that the rate
othhoted led yaw as meted 1,100,0001. (Hear, hear.)
Be banal list 'Waver wee of taxation might have ex-
iled, or whatever peer low adobe lave existed, there wield
still have been is Indeed, amiss to the circuities' of
the Ism few yes a, a hop sarit of pauperism. And
rids was him the het that although Ireland had
Zik whets tresial the payment the rates, yet
WNW boil pselthadott of a peptides ef 2,000,000
I;Mwesises parts el the marry. He wee happy to eve
ea improval team of Wig had token place In Ireland on
the whist. He ens oast that that ho us would not take
urea Meth Os Mary rageadedity without a knowledge of
litshomaisss to rein this pant for the pupase of
avatlitg sanadea, paellothaly os the rata' would be ed.
bind to the daeef, id moo emartion world bs spared to
addle mimed lien theft who were able to pay.
Mr. =RBI= said la explanation that he never advo-
11618i • tows-had
Or J. GRAHAMa= that brevity was. now the do.
oho dike bone mil he limit himself to a very few re.
ameba. He would ad eater into the question el the sma of
Imielime sof the ideas other deta'ds whisk)ad bees see.
hoed to la nisei essmiNsi, bat staid hiseedf to
Gm imalleme wader Sok Aced tr
lers wadi desi vie amemimmth ess.
tabled two propoilloss, the ant big thhat if ray
money be greeted k should be fs lie slaps eta kin
He did not ears to that repeellies, boat lee was Joel.
out of the mid= et debtor sad =Ohm be Great
BMWs and baked—(Mar, beer) p—eed imams be would
Naar gM doale the eammat, as ea absents vast, than a
be resit by compulsory meene—ameas
=i am le
d& peeve bombard with the peas d theisk
eml Imams to the Rolm (Hear, hoar.)
the moil propseiti o. that this mow *aid Is
1a what the lees. gesitims teemed repoisedm moor
mee, be thought lid the mgammle d the her member
for Mims sem fbeeieMim sodas it. Omidadog the
rest exempla is Fermi Me bad no nines as the Mob.
Hamad of athissal eredwiego—(hoor howdo—net thaw.
this to list essoml pospedliss- he ;was the dasidedb
mind. H. saw aims to the porosities of the worn.
Mat, whisk he ad lambed • meet Important &-
deism lie thought t mitted
hat the mirth of this mid the resat
mama vas Waist mere air lee this statists of
death sepia thowissio. Mots) mall *sly
loa mei dds m a its la Aid ameba, that say farther
caw ,asst be eallesid iY I. But the executive virt-
uosi mutt have time to mum oath a measure alts had
referred to, and the iwmles of that storing would, he
was sun, to hot IlklasoP mlaisten that use time had
arrived when votes of Oh dairqthea—votes of limitary
expedessey--eaald so baser be expected from that house.
After -less ressexis ken Mr. nix,

Mr. EDINA= nee Se wagged the Impiety of
kg thls anemia. order that mete See ealibt a tihad
lLtd
der wattieskig the sposlie ..t ,leg thou ppm
whisk boy were wen pot memnessipt.
He esuld net evermar bete dealing oft right hem. member
far Desostehlre. Oise this wee the bat vote ef be kind they
would be soled wen to ewe br the sem p.O The
W right lea onlimun armed that esavke he
I had as dead that bra *Ogre mieleters were prepared to
heist forward a efeere memo on the entjett of
lag- taxation in Intend and on ether Irish entesele. It
would. therelsee, be extremely agreeable to heat hem
her Majesty's gereornent that sash was their blew
lion, become if they would do so—if they wceethlm
that this was really only a solitary vote, and that if so
to they would call the mimetic's of the house to a
oompehe-
sire measure, which would render further application W the
house for votes of this kind unnecessmv, nth a anew
would, no doubt, influence the conduct of hon. petlenum
who were now opposing the vote. But they had net beard
an such intimation ; indeed he had collected from what ha
did hear an inference the very reverse. (Cheery.) Bat if
such be the intention of the government, and if they would
now declare themselves, there was no dotbt that a satiate
tory decision might soon be arrived at. But as the motion
was pu• they were called ulna to support a
aniouati4 to two millions, in thirty anions, two-thirds of
which were in a state of bankruptcy. The proposed 50,0004
could not be of any efficiency in such a CIGIN unless accom-
panied by a comprehensive scheme of legiolatioa. It was
difficult to resist appitah of the kind, but that wu a reason
why they should net be taken by surprise. The Chan-
cellor of the Ezehequer founded his ease upon mann-
ecriet in‘ormation, which ought to be printed. In-
deed ministers were always inclined to make such
appeals in cases of apparent exigency. Not a year
ago her Majesty's ministers eked Ise an increase
of the income tax, declaring that according to their informa-
tion the security of the nation and the public credit
depend-d on that hcuse acceding to it. Fortunately,
however, his (Mr. Disraeli's) party did not accede to
it, and they now had their reward in being told by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer that the revenue was
oatmeal prosperous notwithstanding such refusal. (Cheers.)
eg, then, that this propoeitko of a vote of