The Express.
London, England, 1853-11-18 00:00:00

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perhaps, of professional knowledge, something I had siid
sumption in matters wherein I have lung been labansin•
if I feel it necessary to assert precisely tan reverse. I she I
be mos: happy to meet the gallant admiral, and suhsta,,-
tiate by documents my contradition to every tingle assertion
he has mule. (Cheers and laughter) I Mall submit my-
self to the verdict el a jury of his own selection, and I
may almost say, to the verdict—(lnterruption, and cries of
" Order," "Question.") Some person calls " Question ; "
the question is the conduct of the British minister.
Dr. VAUGHAN—The question is, what are we to do to
help Turkey. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. I: seduitranr—l thaak the rev. gentleman for the ad-
mission, and the application of my words. The rev. get.-
tlemsn says the question is, what are we to do to help
Turkey ? and I tell you this, and I tel him at the sauie
time, that you have to manacle your government. (Cries
of " Oh," cheers, and ironical gounter cheers.) It is very
true the gallant admiral told you, you sent out *quadrant.
Wire, air, if Ite had read the papers, he would Swim that
the )iuglish ambassador went on his knees to beg the admi-
ral to en away.
Sir CHARMS Nartna—l judge by the event.
Mr. UItQUHART—The gahant admiral says he j Opts by
the event. I have MA before, If he had taken th. trouble
to go through the papers, as 1 have dime, ne would know
the subject. The event was decided by Turkey, and Tur-
key &item. leis there in evidence. It was even timid by Lord
Palmerston himself in the House of Gammons, that two
days before the arrival o: the intended despatch, the Turks
had taken a stand, and the Emperor 4.1 RU.SiA had yielded
the point. In a letter of Lord Duality Stuart to myself.
which has been sufficitutly amply ctreti:s•cl in Oise
country. be calls upon us to remember that Kossuth and
the Hungarians were saved Irvin a dungeon and from tat-
cution by the unaided determination of the Porte
S.r CHAIM'S NAPIIIII—Were the fleets su Betake. 11. r..•
• or not ?_

Mr. a itiarmater—Tae gallant admiral say.; he did IlOt
read the papers, but looked to results. 1 answered what
Lord Dudley Stuart said had ehartly been the result.
Sir C itA.ULEs N Arlan—All 1 stated was that a fleet on
three different occasions was in liesika Bay. Whether the
Turks had gained their point before the fleets arrived
there er not 1 don't pretend to know. if the hun. peii-
Reiman will tell me that the sleets were nut at Deseka Bay
I have not another word to say on the subject.
Mr. Uttunnawr—Tae gallant admiral ask. m^ whither
the fleets were at Besika Bay er nat. Oi coarse I teal
him they were not at Bet•ilis Bay, because they had en-
tered the Dardanelles.
Elie CHARLES NAPIER—That shows how muck you know
about it.
The CRAMMAN here interposed, end suggested that as
these differences were on pa'uta of minor importance. no
m ire should be said about them.
Mr. Unut'UART-1 hive not voluntanly entered iota this
discussion; but hearing a statement meek. by the gallant
admiral which I knew to be nut the fact, I could nut avoid
touching upon it. I have only come here to tell you one
thing, and that is, that your gosavn.nent is an agency of
Ruista, and nether* low (Laud cheers, cries of "Au,
no," and uproar.) I have a right to say, in as far SO my
experience goes, and in reference to this trans-
action it is the lar,test of any mates, that in,,
people of this country are united in that se mime=
of distrust in the management of these matters by
their :government. The people of this country cotcpr--
bend that unless we had been pottering, and cherub. :aria.,
and whiepering with feriae diplomatists, that there woual
have been at the pre•eat moment no truoales to attend to in
the East. Whoever has devoted one ccusclentiuus hour to
the ea uniaation of the diplomatic transactions of this and
other countries, has came to the conclusion that there does
exist a system fatal to the best interests of the country, and
to stop the Emperor of Rnssia you must put down that
system. You must do mare than that—you must rosolve to
put dorm your teen ign trance. (Hear, hear.) To arrest
Russia you have tried all the old means ; you have tried
fleets and diplomacy, and whigs and tories, and all that
is vain. What you must do now is to attend
to matters which you have neglected, and not be
balled longer by quacks and impostors. (Cheere.)
Thanking you for the attention with which you have heard
me, I beg to leave these words with you—you bet-e toe re-
cast yourselves as a nation before you con free year elves
from being at the bidding and practical service of the Czar.
(Cries of never," and loud cheers.)
The Rev. Dr. VAUGHAN having been loudly railed for
then came forward, and said that he had the greatest re-
spect I,r the knowledge of Ur. Urquhart, and the greati rt
respect for his in tent;ons ; he could Lot c• nfiele
more than part:al:y in his judgment. His course of
proceeding that evening had been a sufficient in-
dication as to how the land lay in that respect.
He (Or. Vaughan) did not rise as the apologist of her
Majesty's government, past or present; Manchester men
knew :hat he thought them laggards, as well as Mr. Urqu-
hart. (Rear. hear ) He believed that it was the duty of
the British overomah!, when the Russians first crossed
the Pruth. is have sent our fleetintotke Black S'Adirectly.
The rasa:anon was carried unanimously.
Dr. VAt then moved a resolution, rejoicing ia the
determination of the British government to uphold the in-
depend :nee of the Ottoman empire, eve°, it necessary, by
force of areal,
Mr. HOYLE seconded the resolution, and it was carried.
A Tole of thanks to Sir Charles Harder and Mr. Urquhart
was then parsed, with three cheers, and those gentlemen
briefly responded, Mr. Urquhart reading two letter, from
the seat of war, coati:ming his view of the enthusiastic de-
termination of the Turks to resist manfully the ggruiions
of a barbarous invader on their independence.
The precesdings concluded with a vote of thanks to the
chairman.