1920-05-04

Rt. Hon. Sir GEORGE FOSTER (Acting Prime Minister):: I desire to call the attention of hon. members to a certain matter, and with the assent of the House, to 
make a motion thereon. The reason therefore is briefly this:	I hold in my hand a
declaration made by the Supreme Council of the Peace Conference on the economic conditions of the world. It is a recent compilation by an authority which is at the centre of things in Europe, and which has very wide sources of information, and being a pronouncement, of that body on the present economic conditions in the world it seems to me that it would be well to give it as great publicity and attention as possible. The motion I propose to make is that this declaration, which is not a very lengthy one, be recorded in Hansard so that it may come into possession of members of the House and be studied by them. I think it would have an even wider effect by being so published; it would be drawn to the attention of the press of the Dominion generally. It would be of the very greatest benefit to our people throughout the whole country if the statements contained in the declaration were brought to their attention and studied. They go to the very foundation of existing troubles and they end with a certain number of recommendations, or suggestions, and it would be a most excellent thing if we all took them into our consideration. Therefore if the leader of the Opposition sees no objection-


Mr. MACKENZIE KING:: Certainly not.


Sir GEORGE FOSTER:: -I would move that the rules be suspended, and that with the permission of the House, this declaration be placed upon Hansard as a matter of record and information.


Mr. SPEAKER:: The rule, of course, is well known, that documents that have not been read may not be inserted in Hansard. However, in view of the undoubted importance of the statement and the explanation of the Acting Prime Minister, I now put the question to the House as to whether it shall give its unanimous consent to the incorporation of this statement in Hansard.
The House gave unanimous consent.
Downing Street,
April 13, 1920.
Sir,-I have the honour to transmit to Your Excellency, for the information of your ministers, copies of a Parliamentary Paper (Cmd. 646), containing the recent Declaration by the Supreme Council of the Peace Conference on the Economic Conditions of the World.
I have the honour to be,
Sir,
Your most obedient, humble servant,
(Signed) Milner.
The Officer Administering the Government of Canada.



ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OP THE WORLD.


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Economic Condition of the World.-Declaration on the Economic Conditions of the World (As approved hy the Supreme Council on March 8, 1920.)
The Supreme Council of the Peace Conference has taken into consideration the causes which combine to produce the present high cost of living, and now thinks it desirable to publish the following declaration:-
1.	General Statement of the Position.-The war which the democracies of Western Europe were forced to undertake in defence of their liberties, and which they have carried to a triumphant conclusion, has necessarily entailed the disorganization of the whole economic position of Europe.
This disorganization is reflected in the rise of prices which is at present the source of universal discontent among the peoples, belligerent and neutral alike. History shows that high prices are the invariable result of war, and in comparison with most wars the present situation is far from abnormal. In the Napoleonic wars, prices in England rose 75 per cent, and took eight years to beoome normal again. In the American Civil War American prices rose 100 per cent and took 12 years or more to bdcome normal. As the result of this war, the most gigantic of all in the history of the world, general wholesale prices (as distinct from the cost of living) have advanced since 1913 approximately as follows:-
The United States.. ..	120 per cent.
Great Britain	 170
France	
300	"Italy	
300	"Belgium	
300	"
Many causes contribute to this rise in prices, but they may all be regarded as directly or indirectly the consequences of war. For nearly five years the energies of the people have been diverted from the work of production to the work of destruction; for nearly five years the creation of new resources has been stopped and the resources of past generations consumed or destroyed. To feed and equip the nations engaged in this struggle, their governments had to mortgage the prospective wealth of their countries in the form of credits or paper money. The excessive creation of these tokens of prospective wealth, as compared with the volume of real wealth, is indicated by the rise in prices.
Nothing but the hard necessities of war could have justified or excused this procedure. Its dangers are obvious. Public appreciation of the necessity of maintaining a strict balance between normal revenue and expenditure is weakened, and the ordinary individual is misled by the illusion of prosperity to believe that there is an increase in real wealth and an abundance of available supplies, and is encouraged in habits of extravagance.
Government action may mitigate or disguise some of the effects of the rise in prices, but it cannot remove the root cause, which is the destruction of wealth. This loss of wealth is, after all, but a small matter compared with
the sacrifice of life which was freely given during the war to overthrow militarism and re-establish national liberty in Europe. But its effects can only be healed by the passage of time, and the people of Europe, if they wish to expedite the process, must contribute to the works of peace the same ardour and devotion as they gave to the prosecution of the war. In the sub-joined review of the position the Conference indicates the lines on which it considers that a solution of the problem can best be found; but it is vain to expect that the result of the war can be eliminated by a stroke of the pen.
2.	Peace not yet re-established.-At present Europe is far from having returned .to the conditions of complete peace. Russia is stated to have in the field armies of 1,500,000 men or more, and the disbandment of these armies is of course a primary condition of European peace. But many also of the countries which have been created or enlarged as the outcome of the war have still the appearance of armed camps; and not less than 1,000,000 men are still under arms in Poland, Roumania and the new States created out of Austria-Hungary. Moreover, although armed conflict has ceased, the mutual rivalries and antipathies which are the natural legacy of war still dominate many of the nations of Europe, and are leading to the erection of artificial economic barriers which must seriously hamper, if they do not entirely prevent, the restoration of the common prosperity.
The first step to the reconstruction of Europe is to complete the process of demobilization in all countries, to resume the full employment in peaceful pursuits of the whole of the ablebodied population and to encourage by every means the normal interchange of their products. Until peaceful conditions have thus been resumed in every branch of life, Europe, which has suffered so terribly during the past years of strife, will continue to suffer from the restlessness and lack of confidence which is the natural consequence of the upheaval through which she has passed.
3.	Increase of Production.-Liberty has, indeed, been preserved to Europe, and the threat of military domination is gone. This great achievement has however left victors and vanquished alike impoverished and enfeebled. Death or disablement has removed from the work of production millions qf men in the prime of life; and millions more have had their efficiency impaired by sufferings on the field of battle or through pestilence or privations at home. Instead of having the assistance of these sons, each country has to provide, in the most generous measure possible, for the maintenance of the maimed and for the families of the fallen, and this must for many years to come be the first charge on the national income. Meanwhile those who remain have not yet recovered the former habit of industry, and have not yet re-adjusted their standard of output to compensate for the reduction of hours which public opinion in all countries has demanded and is securing. At the same time, of the machinery which might have made good these deficiencies much has been destroyed, and more has been worn out, no adequate renewals being possible during the war. In particular, all means of transport have been disorganised, and the efficiency of the railway systems has been universally impaired.
To these general losses rpust be added the special disturbances of production in each country. For example, a large portion of the most
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fertile territory, more especially in France and in the North of Italy, has been devastated; while in France also industrial centres and mining areas, of vital importance to her industries, have been competely destroyed and will not be able to resume production for years to come. In Belgium, similarly, the national industries suffered greatly during the period of occupation. Germany on the other hand, has its industrial establishments intact, but is paralysed by lack of capital and credit, and by the disorganisation bred of defeat; while in the case of Austria these conditions have led to the complete breakdown of her economic life. Russia has passed through all the throes of civil strife and is still the victim of confusion and anarchy. Each country suffers from a different difficulty, but each contributes its share to the common deficit.
In agriculture, Russia, which before the war was the most important granary of Europe, and of whose products Europe is in such need, either has not been producing at all or has not been able to exchange with her neighbours such products as she has.
Roumania, which before the war exported annually over six million quarters of wheat, has altered her system of land tenure, and is now ceasing to produce more than suffices for the immediate needs of her own population; indeed, on the 1st December last, it was stated that only 530,000 hectares had been sown as compared with an annual average before the war of 1,000,000 hectares, though some improvement has since taken place. Other countries again such as France and Germany which were largely self-supporting are unable at the present moment, owing to the devastation of the land, the destruction of buildings and machinery, or the lack of capital and fertilisers, to produce more than a fraction of what is required for their own needs, and have been increasingly driven to compete in the world market for the limited supplies now available.
Again, in regard, to coal, production in every country has been decreased, the approximate figures of output in metric tons for 1913 and 1919 respectively being as follows:-
United Kingdom. . . . France (including
Lorraine)	
Germany* (excluding Saar and Lorraine) United States of America	
1913.
292.000.	000 44,000,000
173.000.	000
517.000.	000
1919.
234.000.	000 22,000,000
109.000.	000
495.000.	000
Although detailed statistics are not available, such information as we have goes to show that the output of factories and manufacturing industries throughout the world is below the standard which prevailed before the war, and far below the demands now made upon them. The net result of under-production arising from these various causes is an acute shortage of the essential supplies on which the economic life of Europe depends.
This situation requires to be met with the same courage as was displayed on both 6ides during the war. The energy which was then thrown into the production of foodstuffs must be reVived and redoubled in order to restore the situation. It must be made a point of honour with the tillers of the soil in every country to show that peace can extract from nature more than war. Europe must take
Exclusive of lignite. 
measures to provide herself more largely with the food she requires in order that she may resume her full activities, and much can be effected if the necessary preparations are made without delay.
In regard to industry generally, each Government must take steps to impress on its people that the limitation of production directly assists the upward movement of prices, and that it is by increasing production that they can best help to solve the problem. Every proposal which may assist in this direction deserves the closest attention.
Governments must co-operate in the reconstruction of the common economic life of Europe, which is vitally interrelated, by facilitating the regular interchange of their products and by avoiding arbitrary obstruction of the natural flow of European trade.
The Powers represented at the Conference reaffirm their determination to collaborate with a view to the execution of these aims.
4.	Increase of Consumption.-Meanwhile, instead of restricting the standard of consumption in view of this shortage of supplies, there is a general tendency to make heavier and heavier demands for the limited quantities of goods that are available. The increase of consumption takes the form of an intensified demand for commodities of every description. The demand not only for foodstuffs, but for clothing, boots and other manufactured articles, is in most countries far in excess of the supply, while
, luxuries of every kind command a readier sale than at almost any previous period.
The general extravagance now observable throughout the world is a phenomenon which has almost invariably followed in the footstepe of every great human catastrophe. It is well known to those who have lived in a district which has suffered from earthquake, and the history of the great plagues of Europe amply illustrates it; and the results have always been economically disastrous for the populations affected. It must be one of the first aims of each government to take such measures as appear appropriate to the circumstances of its own people to bring home to every citizen the fact that for the time being, until supplies are increased, it is by diminished consumption and unselfish denial that they are best able to help themselves and the world and that extravagance increases the national difficulties and perils.
5.	Credit and Currency Inflation.-The im-. mense increase in the spending power of Europe which is reflected in this extravagance has been brought about by credit and currency inflation during the war. Broadly speaking, the general level of prices may be said to be the expression of the ratio between spending power on the one hand and the volume of purchasable goods and services on the other. In order to prosecute the war, particularly in European countries, every Government found it necessary to increase the amount of currency in circulation. Unable to raise sufficient funds by taxation and by loans from real savings, they were compelled to resort to borrowing from the banks and the use of the printing press. Additional spending power was thus placed in the hands of the public at a time when the volume of purchasable goods was being reduced. For example, the note circulation has grown approximately as follows:-
In the United Kingdom from 30,000*0002. in 1913 to nearly 450,000,0002. at the end of 1919.

(About 120,000,0001. of the latter figure takes the place of gold coins in circulation in 1913) ;
In France from 230,000,00*. in 1913 to
1.500.000.	000Z. in 1919 ;
In Italy from 110,000,000*. in 1913 to 700,000,000*. in 1919 ;
In Belgium from 40,000,000*. in 1913 to
200.000.	000*. in 1920 ;
While the war debts (which are closely connected with inflation amount, in the case of the United Kingdom, to over 7,000,000,000*.
In France to 6,750,000,000*.
In Italy to 2,750,000,000*.
In Germany (apart from liabilities for reparation) to 9,500,000,000Z.
In the United States to 5,000,000,000*.
The total war debt of the world is approximately 40,000,000,000*.
Throughout Europe prices at present are with few exceptions paper prices. But gold prices have also risen, that is to say, gold has a lower purchasing power than it had before the war. This is the inevitable result of the many economies which have been effected in the use of gold for monetary purposes and, on the other hand, of the dispersal of stocks of gold previously held in Europe and their excessive accumulation in other countries. Thus, in the United States, although the gold standard remains effective, prices have advanced 120 per cent over the pre-waf level. As the purchasing power of gold is ultimately the measure of price, it must be obvious that this change is itself responsible for much of the increase in the price of commodities, when expressed in terms of the currencies of all countries.
A considerable part of the rise in prices in Europe is due to this depreciation of gold, but there is an additional depreciation due to excessive issues of paper currency. The continual expansion of paper issues with its necessary consequence of continuously depreciating exchange prevents the grant of the commercial credits required by the situation, and thus fatally hampers the resumption of international commerce.
It is essential to the recovery of Europe that the manufacture of additional paper money and Government credits should be brought to an end, and this must be effected as soon as the war expenditure has been terminated.
6.	Profiteering.-Excessive profit making, commonly known as profiteering, has resulted from the scarcity of goods. Deflation and a check upon the continuous rise of prices will do much in itself to end the conditions that make profiteering possible. But it is essential, in order to obtain the co-operation of all classes in the increase of production, that each government should take such steps as are appropriate to the circumstances of its own people to assure and guarantee to the workers that the burdens that they are called upon by their efforts to remedy are not aggravated by those who would exploit the economic difficulties of Europe for their own personal ends.
7.	Restriction of Government Expenditure.- Demobilization has been effected by the Powers represented at the conference at a far speedier rate than could have been anticipated, but heavy abnormal expenditure Resulting
The national currencies have in each case been converted into sterling at approximately par of exchange.
from the war still requires to be met (particularly in connection with the restoration of the devastated areas). Such charges must be regarded as part of the war burden, but in order to stop the process of inflation and to start the process of deflation, the necessary measures must be initiated by ever country to balance recurrent government expenditure with national income and to begin at the earliest possible moment the reduction of the floating debts. The best remedy of all is that debts should be reduced out of revenue, but in so far as this is not possible, floating debts should be consolidated by means of long term loans raised out of the savings of the people, and it is out of the savings of the people that any fresh capital expenditure must be provided. The governments here represented have undertaken the consideration of the measures required for this purpose.
Restriction of Private Expenditure.-But private economy is not less urgent than economy in government expenditure. It is only by means of frugal living on the part of all classes of the nation that the capital can be saved which is urgently required for the repair of war damage, and for restoring efficiency to the equipment of industry, upon which future production depends. It is of the utmost importance that it should be brought home to every citizen in each country that just as in the war their private savings made available for the government goods and services urgently needed for the prosecution of hostilities, so in the period of reconstruction, economy by individuals will reduce the cost of essential articles both for themselves and for their fellows and will set free capital for the reconstruction of their country and the restoration of the machinery of industry throughout the world.
9.	Collapse of Exchanges.-Commercial intercourse, on the resumption of which the recovery of the world depends, is governed by the foreign exchanges, and most of the foreign exchanges have been to a greater or less extent disorganized during the past year. The discount of European currencies on New York approximately stands as follows:
Per cent.
Pound	sterling	30Franc	(Paris)	64Franc	(Brussels)	62Lire	72Mark	96
The state of the exchanges does not reflect the true financial situation of the countries concerned, provided their industrial life can be resumed. It is in part the result of depreciation in the purchasing power of the several currencies, but in part it results from the failure of exports. Many countries are temporarily dependent on the importation of food, raw material, and other necessaries, and are not in a position to export nearly sufficient to furnish the requisite means of payment. The result has been severe competition for the very limited supply of bills of exchange which has forced down the rate of exchange beyond the point which properly represents the purchasing power of currencies in the buying and selling countries. In the degree in which rates of exchange are so forced down, the prices of imports are forced up and the prices of food and raw material increased. The ultimate cure is to raise exports to the requisite amount, and this should be impressed on the trading communities affected, but it is not im-
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mediately possible to increase exports sufficiently, and unless steps are taken to furnish a substitute the situation will rapidly become worse. It is therefore urgent to obtain a temporary balance of trade by means of commercial credits, accompanied by the reduction ct all non-essential imports to an absolute minimum.
10. Difficulties of	Credit.-Attempts	to
manipulate the exchanges by government action will only retard ultimate recovery. Meanwhile means must be found to prevent the breakdown of trading operations. At the present moment, the governments of Europe are not in a position to furnish more government loans except to a very limited extent for the purpose of relieving extreme distress, anl state aid in this matter would be at the best entirely inadequate. It is from the resumption of commercial credits that the necessary means must be found for securing the interchange of the resources of the world, and ti e Conference is assurred that such credits will be forthcoming as soon as governments have taken steps to strengthen confidence in their commercial and financial policy.
The Powers represented at the Conference recognize, however, the necessity of continued collaboration in this matter, and they will continue to consult together regarding the provision and distribution of the necessary raw materials and foodstuffs with a view to Uie early resumption of normal conditions.
They recognize, further, the special position of the devastated countries, and particularly of France, having regard to the widespread devastation which her territory has suffered, the consequent diminuation of her immediate resources, and the heavy capital expenditure which she must incur in restoring (lie damaged areas. The restoration of the devastated areas is of primary importance to the reconstruction of Europe.
They have also had under consideration the special position of Germany, where enterprise is at present paralysed and the possibility (*f obtaining commercial credit closed, by reason of the fact that her obligations for reparation are still totally unknown. It is most desirable, therefore, in the interests of the Allied countries, no less than in that of Germany, that at the earliest possible moment the total of the reparation payments to be made by Germany under the Treaty of Versailles should be fixed, and that, in accordance with the terms of the Treaty and the reply of the Allied and Associated Powers to the German delegates dated the 16th June, 1919, she should be enabled to obtain essential foodstuffs and raw materials, and, if necessary in the opinion of the Reparation Commission should be allowed to raise abroad a loan to meet her immediate needs, of such amount and with such priority as the Reparation Commission may deem essential. In the case of Austria, the powers here represented recognize that even more active assistance may require to be given.
11.	Need for Co-operation of all Classes.-The review which the Conference has made of the situation indicates that the process of recovery of Europe must necessarily be a slow one, which cannot be expedited by short-cuts of any description. It can, however, be most seriously hampered by the dislocation of production by strikes, lock-outs and interruptions of work of all kinds. The civilization of Europe has indeed been shaken and set back, but it is far from being irretrievably ruined by the tremen-

dous struggle through which she has passed. The restoration of her vitality now depends on the whole-hearted co-operation of all her children, who have it in their own power to delay or to accelerate the process of reconstruction. It is the hope of every Government that improved conditions of livelihood and of employment may be assured to the workers. To secure this result, each individual must contribute his best efforts to the restoration of his country. Taking the Allied countries as a whole, the recovery of industry has been remarkable. Nearly 18 months have passed since hostilities terminated ; and the reaction which necessarily followed the tense strain of the war is gradually passing. The citizens of every country are once again resuming the normal occupations of home life, and in their renewed labours the Conference sees a clear sign of renewed prosperity.
12.	Summary of Conclusions.-In view of the above considerations, the Supreme Council, after a careful survey of this vitally urgent problem in all its aspects, agree upon the following recommendations with a view to the amelioration of the present economic difficulties of Europe:-
(1)	It is of paramount importance that peace conditions should be fully and completely restored at the earliest possible moment throughout the world. In order to achieve this object it is desirable-
(a)	That peace and normal economic relations should be re-established as soon as possible throughout Eastern Europe;
(b)	That armies should everywhere be reduced to a peace footing, that armaments should be limited to the lowest possible figure compatible with national security, and that the League of Nations should be invited to consider, as soon as possible, proposals to this end;
(c)	That the states which have been created or enlarged as the result of the war should at once re-establish full and friendly co-operation, and arrange for the unrestricted interchange of commodities in order that the essential unity of European economic life may not be impaired by the creation of artificial economic barriers.
(2)	Not only the government of each country, but all those engaged in the task of production in every land, should give immediate attention to the execution of all measures which will contribute to the full resumption of peaceful industry, to the encouragement of better output on the part of the workers in every country, to the improvement of machinery and means of transportation, and the removal of such disturbing factors as profiteering.
(3)	Each government should at once consider means for urging upon its nationals in every rank of life the vital necessity of suppressing extravagance and reducing expenditure, so as to bridge the gap which must for some years exist between the demand for and the supply of essential commodities.
(4)	It is essential that early steps be taken to secure the deflation of credit and currency (a) by the reduction of recurrent government expenditure within the limits of revenue, (b) by the imposition of such additional taxation as is necessary to secure this result, (c) by the funding of short-term obligations by means of loans subscribed out of the savings of the people, and (d) by the immediate limitation and gradual curtailment of the note circulation.
(5)	The privision of raw materials being essential to the restoration of industry, means 6hould be found by which the countries which are in present conditions of international ex-

change unable to purchase in the world markets, and so are unable to re-start their -economic life, can obtain commercial credits. It will be possible to achieve this when the countries have made the reforms indicated in the foregoing paragraphs.
(6)	The Powers at the Conference recognize the necessity for continued co-operation between the Allies and for removing obstacles to the easy interchange of essential commodities. They will continue to consult together regarding the provision and distribution of necessary raw materials and foodstuffs with a view to the early restoration of normal conditions.
(7)	The Powers represented at the Conference have given careful attention to the special case of the devastated regions, and more particularly of Northern Prance. The restoration of these areas is of prinjary importance for the re-estab-ment of the economic equilibrium of Europe and the resumption of normal trade conditions. It is evident that the large sums required for this purpose cannot be provided out of current revenue, nor can the work of restoration he postponed until the reparation due from Germany under the Treaty iof Peace has been received. Under these circumstances the Powers represented at the Conference recognize that the capital sums required for this restoration may properly be raised by market loans in anticipation of the reparation payments provided by the Treaty, and that the restrictions which they desire to see placed on new borrowing do not apply to loans and credits raised for the purpose of meeting this abnormal capital expenditure.
(8)	The Powers represented at the Conference have taken under consideration Article 235 and cognate articles of the Treaty of Versailles, and the passages in the letter addressed on the 16th June, 1919, by the Supreme Council to the German Peace Delegates which contemplate that Germany shall make proposals for fixing the total of the payments to be made by her by way of reparation, and that facilities may be given her to obtain necessary footstuffs and raw materials in advance of payments being made by way of -reparation. The' Powers are agreed that it is desirable in the interest alike of Germany and of her creditors that the total to be paid by her for reparation should be fixed at an early date. They observe that under the Protocol to the Treaty a period of four months from the signature of the Treaty was provided during which Germany should have the right to make proposals of the kind referred to, and they are agreed that in the circumstances as they exist to-day such period should he extended.
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Bill No. 95 for the relief of William George Mackness.-Mr. Fraser.
Bill No. 96 for the relief of Charles Elias Vardon.-Mr. Hoeken.
Bill No. 97 for the relief of John Hamilton Harvey.-Mr. Boys.
Bill No. 98 for the relief of James Goddard.-Mr. MacNutt.
Bill No. 99 for the relief of Frederick Stephen Hartmann.-Mr. MacNutt.
Bill No. 100 for the relief of William George McBride.-Mr. Boys.
Bill No. 101 for the relief of George Stinson-Mr. Boys.
Bill No. 102 for the relief of John James Davis.-Mr. Boys.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. R. W. WIGMORE (St. John):: I
would like to bring an important matter to the attention of the leader of the Government. I have repeived a telegram protesting against the ruling given by the United [DOT] States railways that the freight rate on all goods coming from that country to Canada must be prepaid in American currency. This is a matter of very great importance not only to the city of St. John but to the Dominion as a whole. I cannot see why it should be insisted that American currency-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order. This question
was submitted to the Acting Prime Minister on Thursday last. Therefore I do not know that any good purpose can be served by again bringing it to the attention of the Government.


Rupert Wilson Wigmore: I was not aware of that.


George Green Foster: I might say, if permitted, that the matter which was brought to the attention of the Government on Thursday and again by my hon. friend to-day is receiving most careful attention, and I hope is on the way to adjustment.



LATE SITTINGS OF THE HOUSE.

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On the Orders of the Day:
William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would like to ask my right hon. friend if it is not possible for us to have some understanding in regard to the hour at which the House shall adjourn each night, because we have got into the habit of holding sittings very late in the evening. I would draw the Acting Prime Minister's attention to the record of last week. On Monday night the House sat until after midnight and into Tuesday morning; on Tuesday night until 11.45 p.m.; on Wednesday night until 11.24 p.m.; on Thursday night until midnight; and on Friday night until 11.25 p.m. I am sure I need not point out to my right hon. friend that members who are taking their duties seriously-who try to follow the business and assist in the discussions-find it a good deal of a physi-


George Eulas Foster: Mr. Speaker, my hon. friend is quite right in bringing up this matter and presenting his side of the case for the consideration of the House, and it may be that his sentiments find approval among other hon. members as well as among those on his own side. I can only speak

from my experience in the House of Commons, and that experience is wholly against making fixed arrangements for closing each day's sittings. The House has always been guided by a general sense of what is fitting and reasonable, and also by the lesson of experience, that if hampered by a hard and fast rule as to the time of adjournment the House puts itself at the mercy of some enterprising and, if I might dare to say so, less scrupulous members - speaking of scrupulousness as applied to party operations.
If we sit up till eleven or twelve o'clock each night I do not think we are going beyond what the country may'very well expect of us. I would suggest to my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King) that at this * particular time we ought not, in a legislative way, to give countenance to the general spirit of holiday making which is pretty widely spread not only throughout Canada, but throughout the whole world-the disposition to do less work than we did before. That is the bane of the world to-day and it is what retards our getting back quickly to normal. Production is absolutely needed at the present time, but holiday making seems to be widely prevalent amongst all classes of the community. In view of this general condition especially I think this House ought to give an example in self-denial and hard work by putting in, maybe, an extra hour rather than an hour less in each day's work. Not only will it buoy up our own sense of propriety and of public service, but it will be a good example to the country generally.
Seriously, however, we can never expect in this House, until we become pretty well made-over, to do business on exactly the same sensible lines as business is conducted by business houses, and we might as well disabuse our minds of the idea that we can reach that state of comparative perfection at an early date. We work irregularly, we spend a great deal of time often on what is absolutely frivolous and useless-[DOT]


Mr. DEVLIN:: Hear, hear.


George Green Foster: -and then when we reach good solid business, some hon. member gets up and says, " I have got to attend a committee to-morrow and I do not think it is reasonable that we should work here any longer." It has been said,that last week a minister expressed a threat to keep the House at work until two o'clock in the morning. No minister on this side ever makes a threat; that has not been their practice. Sometimes they make use of-


Mr. PARENT:: Closure.


George Green Foster: of a strong expression of their desire to see the business of the House go through. Nothing is more exasperating when a minister has his mind set on getting his business through to have some hon. member tantalize him into such a degree that his business goes to pieces and no progress is made. Please have a little sympathy with ministers who find themselves in that unfortunate position. Hon. gentlemen opposite will, in the somewhat dim and distant future, realize the ardour for work which characterizes ministers who are desirous of getting their business through.
Having said all this, I have no desire, neither do I think have other members on this side of the House, to unduly press matters; but the spring is passing, the summer is calling, and there is a lot of woik for members to do outside


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: And the Budget.


George Green Foster: -And we want to get along with the business of the country as rapidly as possible. Without making any hard and fast arrangement we will try to be reasonable in the progress of the business, and I hope my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King) will be satisfied with that expression of sympathy with his plea. But when we older men are willing to stick at work, our young friends on the other side- and they are all nearly young-ought to second our efforts in getting through the business of the House with reasonable despatch. I will make it my special duty to try to keep things going as reasonably as possible, and I hope my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King) will be content with that expression of my willingness to meet his wishes.



STEEL AND SHIPPING INDUSTRIES OF CANADA.


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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. R. L. RICHARDSON (Springfield):: I should like to inquire if the Government has any information about the proposed steel and shipping merger. Ilf we are to take the reports that are published in the press, this great merger is almost consummated, and if we are to accept the statement with reference to the capitalization, it is something near a Ibillion dollars. It seems to me that the country is profoundly
interested, and the Government ought to be in a position to say whether this merger is to he allowed. It takes in all the shipping of the country and we may have rates vastly increased. I think we ought to hear from the Government whether they can stop it or not.


George Eulas Foster: I am afraid I am not
able to give my hon. friend (Mr. Richardson) any definite information. The Government itself is not in this merger and does not go into mergers at all. It has sufficient business of its own on hand. The same sources of information are open to my hon. friend as are open to the Government, and we have not any more-


Robert Lorne Richardson: Has the Government power to stop it?


George Green Foster: I might just say that mergers are not necessarily injurious to the business of the country, and it may be a very difficult matter if we should attempt to cast around for legislation declaring what can be done, or what reasonably ought to be done, in reference to these business arrangements. It is the fairly well defined duty of the Government to see that the country is not exploited. I think I can say that the Government will see to it that that condition shall not arise.



TAXATION OF SOLDIERS' PENSIONS.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. C. G. POWER (South Quebec):: I
would like to draw the attention of the Government to the case of a very large number of pensioners, former members of the C.E.F., who are being assessed in the different cities of Ontario, and particularly in Ottawa, for income tax under the Ontario Assessment Act'. Under this Act, I understand that all those whose personal assessment, on account of pension or other incomes, is $700, are taxed. I would like to know if it is within the power of the Government to alter that state of affairs, or if this Act could be declared ultra vires by the Governor in Council.


George Eulas Foster: I do not imagine that
this Government or Parliament has control over provincial taxation. I understand it is provincial taxation. I think my hon. friend will have to take that up with the Governments at the different local capitals.


Charles Gavan Power: Might I ask the Government to intercede on behalf of the pensioners with the Government of Ontario?


George Green Foster: I am afraid our intercession will not have very much effect. I would recommend my hon. friend to use *his large powers of intercession with the premier of his own province.



THE PRICE OF SUGAR.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. R. K. ANDERSON (Halton):: I would like to invite the attention of the Government to a matter of vital concern to the people of Canada. A question has been raised in the press as to whether the high price of sugar is warranted by the cost of production and the possible undue profit which is being taken.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order. I think I must point out to the House that there is a very general misapprehension as to the right of hon. members to bring matters to the attention of the House upon the Orders of the Day being called. There are cases where the anxiety of an hon. member for the public interest might be prejudiced by the delay which would be involved in getting an answer to a question which ordinarily ought to go on the Order Paper. But the House will, I think, agree that the Chair has given every latitude to hon. members to submit questions on the Orders of the Day being called. In submitting such a question it is not permissible for an hon. member to in effect present a view or an argument with respect to some matter about which he thinks the House should take action, and which would not be permissible even in a question placed on the Order Paper. The question which the hon. member is intending to submit is in that class. It should be a direct question to the Government.


Robert King Anderson: I am going to Tead an article from the New York Journal of Commerce.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. member would not be in order in doing so.. If he Tias a question which he wishes to submit to the Government, that would be in order, but the course which he purposes to pursue now would not be in order.


Robert King Anderson: I was going to base my question on the article.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Cannot the hon. gentleman summarize, because if he continued in his proceeding he would in effect be presenting his view to the House and that he cannot do on the Orders of the Day.


Robert King Anderson: I would like to direct the attention of the Government to a serious state of affairs that is set forth in this article in the N. Y. Journal of Commerce in which the statement is made that the question of continuing the sugar control is under consideration by the Canadian Government.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Will the hon. gentleman put his question? '


Robert King Anderson: Does the Government intend to continue the control of the sugar business.


George Green Foster: Sugar control has been for a considerable time exercised by the Government and is being exercised by the Government at the present time to the extent of controlling the exports of refined sugar and the imports of raw and refined sugar. No greater control could be exercised than is exercised by the Government within their power. How long that control will have to be exercised will depend upon the conditions in the sugar industry.



PRIVATE BILLS.

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SECOND readings.
Bill No. 80 for the relief of Edith Gertrude Willis.-Mr. Sheard.
Bill 87 for the relief of Thomas Edward Dowthwaite.-Mr. Hocken.
Bill No. 88 for the relief of Thomas Ferby Gatenby.-Mr. Hocken.	.
Bill No. 89 for the relief of Michael Joseph Courtney.-Mr. Fripp.
Bill No. 90 for the relief of Thomas Patrick O'Neill.-Mr. Stewart (Lanark).
Bill No. 91 for the relief of Robert Ernest Beadie.-Mr. Douglas (Strathcona).

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(Questons answered orally are indicated by an asterisk.)

Mr. CAMPBELL:: 1.	Has report of Economic Development Commission, appointed several years ago, ever been presented to the House?
2.	If so, when?
3.	If not, why not?
4.	Are copies of the report available?
5.	What was the total cost of this commission?


Rt. Hon. Sir GEORGE FOSTER:: 1.	No.
2.	Answered by No. 1.
3.	No report has been made, but the duties of the commission being largely suggestive and advisory, their views on certain

subjects have been discussed informally with the Government for the purpose of advising or assisting the Government touching many subjects upon which it has been necessary to take action either by way of legislation or otherwise.
4.	Answered by No. 3.
5.	$23,200.48.


HUDSON'S BAY COMPANY MANITOBA BAND.
Mr. ANDREWS:: 1.	What is the total acreage which has been patented in Manitoba by the Hudson's Bay Company to date?
2.	Under what agreement or legislative enactment other than the agreement known as the " Hudson's Bay Company's deed of surrender," and dated November 19, 1869, have lands been allotted to the said company in the surveyed territory in Manitoba?
3.	Under article 5 of the said surrender which limited the claims of the company to fifty years from the date of said surrender, have the company's claims now lapsed?
4.	In the portion of Manitoba as yet unsurveyed will the usual two townships not be set aside for the said company under the terms of articles 5 and 7 when such land is surveyed owing to the expiration of the fifty-year term?


Hon. Mr. MEIGHEN:: 1.	Approximately 1,275,000 acres.
2.	The Dominion Lands Act, 1872, and subsequent Acts.
3.	No.
4.	No.


TORONTO GRAIN ELEVATORS.
George Eulas Foster: In view of the strong representations made for the construction of elevators in Toronto harbour, is it the policy of the Government to . build such elevators or grant a bonus to assist in building them?


George Eulas Foster: It is not the present intention of the Government to construct or to aid in the construction of grain elevators in Ontario ports.


DOCTOR C. J. SPARROW.
Mr. PELLETIER:: 1.	What was the amount paid to Doctor C. J. Sparrow, Reserve Mines, Cape Breton, for medical attendance and operation upon Indian Thomas Christmas, at St. Joseph's Hospital, Glace Bay, Cape Breton, between June 10 and July 11, 1919?
2.	What was the disease said Christmas was suffering from which made said operation necessary?
3.	Who was the assistant to Doctor Sparrow in performing the operation, and how much was he paid therefor?
4.	How much was the said Doctor Sparrow paid for medical attendance and operation upon
Squaw Bridget Babtiste, in September, 1919, at the General Hospital, Glace Bay, Cape Breton?
5.	What disease was said Bridget Baptiste suffering from which made the operation necessary?
6.	Who was the assistant to Doctor Sparrow
in performing the operation, and how much was he paid?	f


Hon. Mr. MEIGHEN:: 1.	Nothing apart from his regular salary as medical attendant.
2.	Malignant case of appendicitis.
3.	Operation performed by Dr. E. O. McDonald, of Glace Bay. Fee charged, $75. Dr. McDonald was assisted by his own anaesthetist.
4.	Nothing apart from his regular salary as medical attendant.
5.	General peritonitis following ruptured
appendix.	,
6.	Operation performed by Dr. E. 0. McDonald, of Glace Bay, C.B. Fee charged, $75, which included anaesthetist's services.


LIGHT HOUSE KEEPERS AND CARETAKERS.
Mr. BOYER:: What are the names and respective salaries of the lightkeepers and the lighthouse caretakers on the St. Lawrence river from Lake St. Louis to Lancaster, and on the Ottawa river from Lake St. Louis to Point Fortune?


Hon. Mr. BALLANTYNE:: Lachin Range, J. B. Malo, $390; Meloch-ville, Emerie Julien, $429; Windmill Point, Mde. 0. Phaneuf, $100; Caron Point, Fere-ole Robert, $100; lie Perrot, Donat Leduc, $180; Ste. Anne de Bellevue, Emile Pilon, $220; Ste. Anne de Bellevue Locks, Sam'l Brisbois, $170; Pte. a Cadieux, Simon Poirier, $260; Oka, A. Lacroix, $140; Oka Wharf, Tel. Hamelin, $100; Pte. aux Anglais, Aldama Labrosse, $420; Graham Wharf (b), Elie Lavigne, $100; Graham Wharf (f.) Antoine Bertrand, $100; Ste. Placide, Hector Dubreuil, $260; Jones Island, Joseph 'Charlebois, $140; Rigaud,
O.	Mallette, $220; Argenteuil Bay, Joseph Giroux, $140; Knight's Point, Wilbert Shar-mon, $820; McKie's Point, D. Daoust, $260; St. Anicet Bar, Donald McKellop, $505; Lancaster, J. J. Munroe, $765.
S.	S. "THREE RIVERS."


Mr. CARDIN:: 1.	Was the steamer "Three Rivers" of the Canada Steamship Company Lines, repaired or rebuilt at the Government shipyard at St. Joseph de Sorel during last winter?
2.	If so, what was the price agreed on for the work?
3.	Has any payment been made?
4.	Has the Government realized a profit on the job? If so, what amount?


Hon. Mr. BALLANTYNE:: 1.	Yes.
2.	No fixed price.
3.	No.
4.	Answered by No. 2.


ROSS RIFLE HACTORY.
Mr. BUREAU:: How many tons of cast iron have been shipped from the Ross Rifle Factory of Quebec, consigned to the Enterprise Foundry Company, of Sackville, N.B., since the last six months?


Hon. Mr. GUTHRIE:: Three cars containing, approximately, 95 tons.


MAGAZINE POSTAGE RATE.
Mr. STEELE:: 1.	What is the Canadian rate of postage on magazines published in Canada?
2.	What is the total revenue from same?
3.	What is the Canadian rate of postage on American magazines?
4.	What is the total revenue from Same?
5.	What amount of advertising matter is permitted in American magazines at these rates?
6.	Has the Department any information as to amount of advertising matter in American magazines carried through Canadian mails? If so, what is the amount?


Hon. Mr. ROWELL:: 1.	(a) Mailed by publishers at office of publication to bona-fide subscribers:-
(1)	free within 40 mile zone.
(2)	ic per pound beyond free zone.
(b)	Mailed by newsdealers to bona fide subscribers, lc. per pound.
(c)	Mailed by general public, lc per 4 ounces.
2.	There is no means by which the department can separate the revenue derived from any particular class of mail matter.
3.	(a) Mailed in Canada to bona fide subscribers and complying with Canadian classification, lc. per pound.
(b)	Not complying with Canadian classification but consisting of short articles, continued stories, etc., and not containing an excessive amount of advertisements of any one house, lc. per 4 ounces.
(c)	Not complying with (b), lc. per 2 ounces.
4.	See No. 2.
5.	The same as Canadian publications.
6.	No information.


QUEBEC ARSENAL EMPLOYEES.
Mr. POWER:: 1.	Is it true that the employees of the Quebec Arsenal receive lower wages than other workmen employed in similar occupation in the district of Quebec?
2.	Have these employees been granted a bonus?
3.	If not, why?


Hugh Guthrie: This matter was brought to the attention of the Rt. Hon. Prime Minister on December, 19, 1919.
The question was then referred to the Hon. Minister of Labour, with a request that he inquire into the matter of wages at the Arsenal, and an Order in Council, P.C. 309, was subsequently passed on the 12th February, on the recommendation of the Fair Wages Officer of that department, who made the investigation, granting a general increase of 10 per cent to those employees of the Dominion Arsenal, Quebec, working on an hourly basis without bonus. In his report this officer stated that this increase would not make the average rate quite equal to the current rates paid elsewhere, but he believed it to be a fair adjustment and acceptable to the employees, because they recognize the fact that the permanency of their employment is a matter which merits consideration.


EGG IMPORTS AND EXPORTS.
Mr. ROSS:: 1.	How many egg's were exported from Canada in year 1919 and what was their value?
2.	How many were imported for home consumption in 1919 and their value?
3.	How many eggs were imported in bond?
4.	How many of the latter were exported?
>5. Under what system of Government inspection were these bonded eggs culled?
6.	Are the culls in any way identified so that they are not sold to the prejudice of the Canadian producer?


Hon. Mr. BURRELL:: 1.	5,598,766 doz., value, $3,213,410.
2.	3,941,528 doz., value, $1,810,409.
3.	Entered "for warehouse," 3,229,031 doz., value, $1,456,649.
4.	2,724,195 doz., value, $1,314,831.
5.	The imported eggs are not culled under government inspection but while in bond are under customs supervision.
6.	No but packages containing eggs imported from the United States are branded "Produce of United States."
Mr. GUSTAVE ROY.


Mr. MICHAUD:: 1.	Has Gustave Roy, of Cape Chat, county of GaspS, been appointed as inspector by the Department of Agriculture in the counties of Kent and Madawaska, N.B. ?
2.	If so, at what salary?
3.	How long will said inspection last?
4.	Who recommended the appointment of the said Gustave Roy?


Hon. S. F. TOLMIE:: 1.	No.
2,	3, and 4, answered by No. 1.


*Mr. BROUILLARD:: 1.	Is Mr. Gustave Roy, of Cap Chat, county of Gaspg, employed by the Government as inspector of seeds for the counties of Bonaventure and Gaspd?
2.	Is he at present on his inspection trip?
3.	What is his salary?


Hon. S. F. TOLMIE:: 1.	Yes.	.
2.	Yes.
3.	$5 per day.


THE MENACE.
Mr. EDWARDS:: 1.	Was a paper entitled " The Menace " and published in the United States denied the right of entering Canada?
2.	If so. when and why?
3.	Is it still excluded from Canada?


Hon. Mr. ROWELL:: 1.	Yes.
2.	February 23, 1914. See Revised Hansard of House of Commons Debates, page 2310, Volume III, session 1914.
3.	Yes.


DUTIES ON TEXTILE IMPORTS.
Mr. REID (Mackenzie):: What was the amount of duty collected on textiles, fibres and their products during the fiscal year ending March 31, 1920?


Hon. Mr. BURRELL:: Customs duty, $38,673,912.83; customs war tax (estimated), $5,471,751.85.


ACTON VALE POST OFFICE.
Mr. MARCILE (Bagot):: 1.	Does the Department of Public Works intend to have the post office at Acton Vale painted this summer?
2.	If not, when is it to be painted?


George Eulas Foster: The department's inspector is now making his annual spring inspection of public buildings in the province of Quebec, and if the post office at Acton Vale is found to require painting, it will have attention.



QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS.

Mr. CASGRAIN:: 1.	Does the Government pay the expenses of an office in Toronto for A. V. White, consulting engineer of the Conservation Commission?
2.	If so, what expenses for said office did it pay in the fiscal year 1919-20, including rent, salaries of assistants, travelling expenses, etc.?
3.	What relation, if any, is the said A. V. White to James White, Deputy Head of the Conservation Commission?
,4. If any other relatives of its deputy head were employed by the Conservation Commission in the past fiscal year, what are their names, what positions did they fill and what salaries were paid them?
5.	Is it the practice of the Government to maintain offices for. all its consulting engineers?
6.	Is it the intention of the Government to continue to defray the expenses of the Toronto office of the said A. V. White?
7.	If the said A. V. White was employed by the Department of Public Works, what was the last year he was so employed and what remuneration was he paid?
S.	At what annual salary rate is he being paid by the Conservation Commission for 192021?
9.	What reports, if any, by A. V. White, other than reports on water-powers and hydro-electric conditions, has the Conservation Commission published?
10.	Does A. V. White hold the degree of Electrical Engineer from a recognjzed university?
11.	Who is the hydro-electric engineer of the Conservation Commission?
12.	What degrees does he hold and what practical experience has he had?
13.	What annual salary is he paid?


Mr. TOBIN:: 1.	How many farms in each constituency in the province of Quebec were purchased by returned soldiers under the provisions of the Soldiers' Settlement Act?
2.	What are the names of the buyers and sellers of the said farms?
3.	What was the price paid for each of these farms?
4.	Who visited each of the said farms on behalf of the Government?
5.	What assistance was given by the Government in connection with each purchase?


Mr. BUREAU:: 1.	How many generals belonging to the permanent force have had to give up their rank during the last six months?
2.	How many generals have been promoted since the armistice, and what are the names of those who are still in the service?
3.	How many officers have been promoted brigadier-general since the armistice, what are their names, how are they employed, and is It the Intention to retain them in that rank?
4.	How many officers of the permanent force have been pensioned, what are their names and the amount of pension?


Mr. TOBIN:: 1.	How many of the 117th Battalion, C.E.F. (all ranks) saw service on a belligerent front?
2.	How many received decorations, what were the decorations and the names of the 'recipients?
3.	How many members of the original 117th Battalion were killed in action and what were their names?
4.	How many members of said battalion died of wounds and what were their names?
5.	How many members of this battalion died of disease while in the service and what were their names?



BOARD OF COMMERCE-RESIGNATION OF HON. H. A. ROBSON.

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Mr. j. P. MOLLOY (Provencher) moved:
For a copy of all correspondence between the Board of Commerce or any member thereof and the Government or the Acting Prime Minister, respecting the resignation of Honourable H. A. Robson from the position of Chief Commissioner of the Board of Commerce.
George Green Foster: There is no objection to this motion being passed with the intimation that any papers which are not considered to be in the public interest need not be brought down. That applies generally to all motions for production of papers, but I thought it best to speak of it in this particular case.


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Motion agreed to.

Mr. H. A. MACKIE (Edmonton East) moved:: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams, petitions or any other documents relative to the appointment of the deputy postmaster at Edmonton, Alberta.


Hon. N. W. ROWELL:: If the Government has any correspondence in connection with this matter, there will be no objection to bringing it down, but I imagine the bulk of the correspondence will be with the Civil Service Commission, not with the Government.


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Motion agreed to.

Mr. PAPINEAU:: For a copy of the mortgage deeds for the twenty-five and the thirty-five million dollars granted by the Government of Canada to the Canadian Northern Railway Company in 1918 and 1919.


Mr. RINFRET:: For a copy of all correspondence and reports concerning the dismissal of Mr. ElisSe Parent, inspector of Inland Revenue, the 6th of September, 1916 (file No. 111086).


Charles Gavan Power: For a copy of all correspondence, telegrams and other documents exchanged between Dr. L. W. McNutt, Vancouver, B.C., and the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-estahlishment, Sir .Robert Borden and the Director of Medical Services for the Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, with reference to claim for $2,590.72 by the said Dr. McNutt against the above-mentioned department, and also with reference to the resignation or dismissal of the said Dr. McNutt from the department in question.


Mr. CANNON:: For a copy of the correspondence between the Department of Public Works and all the officers,

employees or other persons concerning the redistribution of the districts in the Public Works Department.



OPIUM AND DRUG ACT AMENDMENT.

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Hon. N. W. ROWELL (Minister of Health) moved the third reading of Bill No. 20, to amend the Opium and Drug Act.
Mr. D. D. MlAiCKENZIE (Cape Breton North and Victoria):	When this Bill
was in Committee, I asked the President of the Council (Mr. Rowell) for certain information as to the meaning of some of its terms and, in particular, what is mean by the term "import into Canada." I do not understand that any drugs which come into Canada which are not for consumption in the country are imports. I want to have a clear understanding of what is meant by the word "import," and whether there has been any finding by the Department of Justice on that point.
Newton Wesley Rowell: In answer to my hon. friend I would draw his attention to the definition of the words "imports" or "imported" in the definition clause of the original Act of 1911. Paragraph (c) of that Act provides:
''Imports" or "imported" means and includes the bringing or conveying, or causing to be brought or conveyed, Into Canada of any drug.
The view of -the Department of Justice based upon this Act and the amendment of last session, which requires a license to import or to export, is that a license is required even though it is the intention to bring in the drugs in bond for trans-shipment. I beg to move that the title be "An Act to amend the Opium and Narcotic Drug Act."


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Motion agreed to, Bill read the third time, and passed.

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Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Minister of the Interior) moved the second reading of Bill No. 57 (from the Senate), to amend the Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1907.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister explain the nature and significance of the proposed amendments?


Mr. MEIGHEN:: The amendments are two or three in number. One of them provides for the settlement of disputes between classes of employers and classes of employees, making it compulsory upon either class to select an arbitrator instead of re-

quiring an arbitrator to be selected compulsorily only by one employer of each class.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: There is no arbitrator under the Act. I presume the minister means a member of the Board of Investigation.


Arthur Meighen: Yes, I should have described him as a member of the board. There is an amendment to section 2 providing that application for the establishment of a board of conciliation must be authorized by a majority of the members of a union, in cases where the employees are organized, or by a majority of the employees concerned, in cases where some or all of those affected are not members of a union. As the Act now stands, a strike may be declared by a comparatively small proportion of those affected. The next amendment provides for merely clerical corrections. Section 4 provides for a uniform scale of fees for witnesses giving evidence before boards of conciliation. The next amendment forbids the declaration of a strike until a copy of the report of the board has been delivered through the registrar to both the parties affected. Section 6 of this Bill permits the establishment of a board by the Minister of Labour without application from the employers or the employees concerned in cases where a strike seems to the minister to be imminent.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: There are some amendments that I should like to refer to perhaps a little in detail. I shall not take up the time of the House just now as that can be done in committee.


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Motion agreed to, Bill read the second time, and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 1-interpretation of "Employer" extended:
William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister please explain the purpose of this amendment.


Arthur Meighen: It is designed to permit the establishment of a single board to deal with a dispute in which a number of individual empoyers are concerned having interests in common. Cases occur in which demands presented on behalf of labour, and resultant disputes, affect several different firms or companies engaged in the same line of industry. In such cases, as the law now stand, it has not been found possible to establish a joint board without first obtaining the consent of the several employers concerned. It has sometimes happened 1211
that such consent has been withheld, and the inability of the Department of Labour to establish a joint board has been followed by a strike. As I explained on the second reading, if the strike threatened is on the part of the employees of various companies engaged in the same line of industry, and employing men of the same grades, all that is compulsory on the part of the employers as the law now stands is that each one shall select an arbitrator. The question to be settled in such a case is really one between the whole class of empoyees on the one hand, and the whole class of employees on the other, but there is no provision in the Act compelling employers to make such recognition of the essential unity of interest of the employees as would be entailed in the appointment of an arbitrator to represent the employers. The amendment provides that in such cases the minister may require the employers, all of whom are affected, to select an arbitrator. If they are to do that, of course they will do it, because otherwise the board would be created without them, and they would suffer accordingly.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: As a consequence, one board will be able to act where formerly, construing the Act literally, it required half-a-dozen boards. Before this section is carried I have an amendment to suggest.	'


Mr. McKENZIE:: As all of us have not the original Act before us, and as this is a very important matter, I would ask the minister to read the section with the proposed amendment so that we may thoroughly understand its import.


Arthur Meighen: I have not the original Act before me. Possibly the leader of the Opposition will read it for the information of the hon. members.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Paragraph (c) of the original Act defines the term "Employer" as
-any person, company or corporation employing ten or more persons and owning and operating any mining property, agency of transportation or communication, or public service utility, including, except as hereinafter provided, railways, whether operated by steam, electricity or other motive power, steamships, telegraph and telephone lines, gas, electric light, water and power works.
The amendment proposed to add to that the words:
Or any number of such persons, companies or corporations acting together, or who in the opinion of the minister have interests in common.
1902'


Arthur Meighen: I have not discussed
this specific question with the Minister of Labour, but it would occur to me that if we were to amend the Act as my hon. friend suggests so as to make it applicable to the employees of municipalities the question would immediately arise whether we should not make it also applicable as well to the employees of provinces. If the hon. member purposes to press the amendment I would ask that we proceed to the consideration of the next clause, because I should not like to take the responsibility of answer-

ing definitely as to where the Government should stand on the amendment until I have had opportunity of consulting the Minister of Labour.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Of course, the industries mentioned in the Act are in the nature of public utilities, and it is necessary to keep that fact in mind with reference to the significance of the amendment I propose. I do not think my
4 p.m. hon. friend will find the Minister of Labour disposed to reject an amendment of this kind.


Arthur Meighen: Would the hon. gentleman's amendment be wide enough to include the telephone employees of the province of Manitoba?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: It. might be
well to go a step further and make it clear that it is intended to take in provincial employees of this class. If my hon. friend is prepared to let the clause stand for further consideration I will not press the amendment at this stage.


Arthur Meighen: I should like to have
it stand.
Section stands.
On section 2-signatures requisite for applications to refer disputes to boards and for statutory declarations accompanying them:


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister kindly explain the significance of the changes here proposed?
Mr. MEIGHEN The amendment is to provide that before a strike can be declared there must always be a majority of the employees concerned; and, if the employees are in a trades' union, machinery is provided by which that majority shall give effect to its will. The Act as it stood provided that the application and the declaration accompanying it,-that is, the declaration of strike:
-if made by an employer, an incorporated company or corporation, shall be signed by some one of its duly authorized managers or other principal executive officers ;
(2)	if made by an employer other than an incorporated company or corporation, shall be signed by the employer himself in case he is an individual, or a majority of the partners or members in case of a partnership or association.
(3)	if made by employees members of a trade union, shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the union, or by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question;
(4)	if made by employees some or all of whom are not members of a trade union, shall

be signed by two of their number duly authorized by a majority vote taken by ballot of the employees present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question.
The amendment provides that the application and declaration accompanying it shall be signed if made

"(a) by an employer who is an individual, by the employer himself;
(b)	by an employer which is a partnership firm or association, by a majority of the partners or members;
(c)	by an employer which is an incorporated company or corporation, by some one of its duly authorized managers or by one or more of the principal executive officers;
There is very little change so far as the employer is concerned. The new section continues:
(d)	by employees who are members of a trade union, by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union. If such authorization is obtained by a vote taken in whole or in part at a meeting such meeting shall be called on not less than three days' notice and the vote shall be by ballot.
That is to say, there must be an absolute majority of all the members of the union, and that majority shall give expression to its will in the manner there prescribed. Before, there was no necessity for a majority of all the members.
(4) If made by employees some or all of whom are not members o'f a trade union, shall be signed by two of their number duly authorized by a majority vote taken by ballot of the employees present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question.
It will be observed that it is provided in both cases that the vote which expresses the will of the majority shall always be taken by ballot.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I do not want to take any advantage of the minister's unfamiliarity with the Act, but there are one or two. matters that it may be of advantage to make a little clearer. The minister spoke of the amendment as relating to a strike being declared. That, of course-


Arthur Meighen: No. It is a declaration.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: 
Arthur Meighen: I think the hon. member is wrong as to that. As the Act now stands a strike may be declared-


William Lyon Mackenzie King: -A strike
cannot be declared under the Act.


Arthur Meighen: I know a strike cannot be declared. What I mean is that an application may be made and the strike that depends upon the issue of the application may follow, where the initiative has been taken not by a majority at all but by a very small minority o'f the employees con-. cerned. It is clear from the reading of the Act as it stands that it applies when the issue has been precipitated by a very small minority because the provision reads as follows:
If made by employees, members of a trade union, shall be signed by two -of its officers duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the union, or by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present at a meeting.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Yes.


Arthur Meighen: If there is only a small number present all they would require is a majority of those present to authorize two men to sign. Under the new reading the procedure would be quite different.
(d) by employees who are members of a trade union, by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union.
Then there comes a full stop. The majority of the members must authorize.

That 'being the case it does not matter very much what the special purpose of their being together is because the majority must act-not a majority of those who happen to be present at the meeting but a majority of all the members must act. That is the essential difference between the law as it will be, if this Bill passes, and the law as it was before; in fact the essence of the whole thing is the requiring of an absolute majority. Such being the case there does not seem any need for requiring that the meeting shall be called especially for a certain purpose, because no matter how called, if they actually decide by a majority of all the members- whether they are there or not-that they shall make this application, then they should be allowed to make it.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: It is not perfectly cleat what is meant by "the meeting of a union." Take my own province of Nova Scotia, we have miners' unions extending all over the whole province. In particular we have them in Cumberland, Pietou, Inverness and Cape Breton. We have one miners' union extending all over these counties, and I would like to be quite clear whether the minister intendb that a vote of the whole union shall be taken before an application can be made. There may not be the same difficulty in the case of one of the mines of the Dominion Coal Company, or at Sydney Mines, because this is a body of men by themselves. But does the minister understand it would be necessary to take a vote of the miners at Springhill and Pietou because they are all of the one union? Or is it the intention that the vote shall be confined to the group which are immediately affected by the proposed action in applying for a board?


Arthur Meighen: As I would read the amendment I would say that the majority of the union would have to authorize an application.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Does not the minister think that is a very difficult way of getting at the matter?
. Mr. MEIGHEN: I do not know that 1 can say finally what the minister thinks. I do' not think my opinion on the subject ,is very valuable, really I am not familiar .enough with these matters to press a very intelligent opinion. But the meaning of the amendment clearly is that if the employees who ask for a 'board are members of a trade union they must first of all have their request, if they ask for it, come from a

.majority of the members of the whole union.	,


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If the minister had not been so polite as to tell me that I .was wrong, I would not challenge his statement. However, I know this Act rather well, and I think I understand the significance of its provisions as well as of the amendments that are 'being suggested. I have the existing Act and a copy of the proposed Bill before me, and I will ask the minister-after listening to what I say- whether I was right or whether I was wrong. The original Act, subsection (3), reads that where the application is made by employees who are members of a trade union it shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the Union. That is the wording of the original Act.


Arthur Meighen: Yes, but go on.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is where the majority of the men are members of the union. Now the amendment appears the same in that regard. "If the application is made by employees who are members of a trade union, it shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union, etc." Both sections are identical.


Arthur Meighen: Oh, no, my hon. friend is wrong.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Where is the difference?


Arthur Meighen: The way the original Act readls it is the punctuation that to my mind makes the difference. The Act says this:
The application shall,
-if made by employees, members of a trade union, shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the union, or by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present at a meeting called-
All in the one sentence. So the vote is taken by the union, and a majority of the members present carry it. That must be the interpretation given by the Minister of Labour. The hon. member will see that under the amendment it is different altogether because in the amendment there is a period after the iword "union." "There must be a majortiy of the members of the union." There the sentence stops making it absolute. It does not make the word "present" which follows, at all affect the meaning of the word "union" or modify its

meaning in any way. That is, the word "present" does not modify -the word "union" .as it appears to-day in the present Act. I will read 'the explanation given me by the Minister of Labour on the subject. He says:
2. The amendment proposed in section 2 of the Bill provides that an application for the establishment of a Board of Conciliation and Investigation must be authorized by a majority of the members of a union, in cases where the employees are organized, or by the majority of the employees concerned, in cases where some or all of those affected are not members of a trade union. As the Act now stands it is possible for a relatively small minority of workers in an industry to make application for a Board. Experience in the administration of the Act has proven the desirability of the proposed amendment.
He is taking his opinion from the actual interpretation given to it, and it coincides with what I give as my opinion from the reading of the law. The way it reads now is:
The majority of the members present at a meeting.
He wants to change that and compel the majority of the whole union to agree before they shall take such action.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If I read the rest of the section I think my hon. friend will see the significance of what I have been pointing out. The original Act continued in this form:
Or by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question.


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That would
leave an opportunity for a minority to take that particular action. But that is not the significance of the amendment now suggested. In the latter the words "for the purpose of discussing the question" are left out, and as I read the amendment it simply enables a ballot of the members of the union present at any meeting, whether it is called particularly in relation to the consideration of a strike or of an application for a board concerning a strike, and it makes possible what I said a moment ago- a hole-and-corner meeting for the purpose of making application for a board. When this Act was drafted-and il remember it quite well, because I had a good deal to do with the drafting- the endeavour all the way through was to have its provisions apply to both organized and unorganized labour. Where men are not organized in a union, or have not met together specifically
to consider an application for a board, they are required to call the meeting by notice with specific reference to the dispute, and at that meeting the ballot shall be taken and the majority decide on the application. The amendment leaves the part relating to organized labour exactly as it was before, but in regard to men who are not organized, and are not considering a question specifically relating to the dispute, this amendment provides that such men may at any meeting convened without reference to the dispute at all send in an application for a board.
An application, if made by employees who are members of a trade union, shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union.
That is all right, But the second part reads:
If such authorization is obtained by a vote taken in whole or in part at a meeting, such meeting shall be called on not less than three days' notice and the vote shall be by ballot.
That does not say anything about the meeting being in reference to the particular question in dispute. It leaves it open to any body of men whether belonging to a labour organization or not to take a vote at any meeting in the absence of other members and to send in an application for a board that other members might not wish. I think that will be the effect of the amendment if it goes through.


Arthur Meighen: This is purely a matter of interpretation, but with all deference I must press the point once again. The hon. member argues that the difference between this legislation, if it passes, and the old law is merely that under this the Act does not require the meeting to be called for the express purpose of deciding this question.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is what I said.


Arthur Meighen: I think the hon. member entirely misapprehends the effect both of the old law and of this amendment, but especially of the latter. We do not need to distinguish between the case of men contemplating a strike and the members of a union who are not; the one argument applies to both classes. Let us take the old law as to the case of men who contemplate striking and who are members of a union.
The application for a board, if made by employees members of a tradte union, shall be signed by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the union, or by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question.

Now "union" ends with a comma, and consequently the words following are an alternative; that is to say, or the two men may get their authority by a vote taken by ballot of the members of the union present *at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose. 80 it is clear, is it not, that they can get their authority by the vote of the majority of the members present at such meeting. So if there are 500 members of the union, and a meeting is called on three days' notice, and only 60 are present, 31 of those 60 can authorize the making of the application. I will ask the hon. member if that reasoning is right? In that case we would get an application for a board from 31 members.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Under the new law.


Arthur Meighen: No, under the old law. Is that not the case?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: With this [DOT]qualification, that the vote could only be taken at a meeting called for the purpose of discussing the question of the strike.


Arthur Meighen: I thoroughly agree with that.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is the
point.


Arthur Meighen: Providing notice is sent out, it is for the purpose of making this application.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is
right.


Arthur Meighen: Then, under the circumstances I set out, providing the notice was properly sent, 31 men could make application for the board. Is that clear?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Yes.


Arthur Meighen: Now the question comes: Could 31 men do so under the new law?
The application and declaration accompanying it shall be signed, if made,-
(d) by employees who are members of a trade union, by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union.
If we stop there for good, they certainly could not. Suppose we call that the end of the sentence? So far undoubtedly 31 members could not. If there are 500 members it takes 251 to authorize those two officers to act. Let us go on and see if that is modified.
If such authorization is obtained by a vote taken in whole or in part at a meeting,-
UMr. Meighen.]
It must toe authorization provided in the preceding sentence, that is the authorization of 251 men.
-such meeting shall be called on not less than three days' notice and the vote shall be by ballot.
I hope it is clear to the hon. member that such authorization must be endorsed by at least 251 members; it has to be that now. If it is taken at a meeting, then the meeting must be called on three days' notice, and the object of the meeting need not be stated, but it requires 251 members to give the authorization. What I am arguing is that so long as you have to have a majority authorizing action to be taken, it is not necessary to require that the object of the meeting shall be discussed, because if a majority present actually authorize an application, and vote by ballot for that specific purpose, they should not be denied a board. Doubtless the reason the purpose of the meeting was required to be stated in the old law was because the members might not all attend, and there might be a requisition by a fraction of the members of the union; but under the amendment that is impossible. Consequently it has not been thought worth while to say that the meeting shall require to be called by such specific notice.
Now, I am sure I have established that under the old law 31 men out of 500 members could ask for a board and bring about a strike in that way; whereas under the new law no less than 251 out of the 500 could possibly do so. That must he abundantly clear.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: They cannot bring about a strike by asking' for a board; the purpose of asking for the board is to avoid a strike. If the intention of the amendment is as the minister now describes it I think the amendment changes a very significant feature of the Act. My own idea is that it is much more in the interest of labour, and more calculated to avoid a dispute, to permit a majority of the men attending a meeting specifically for the purpose of considering an application to the Government for a board to make such application than to place on the section the interpretation that the minister is apparently placing on it.


Arthur Meighen: If the majority had to ask for it, is it worth while to say that they must call a meeting for that purpose? I do not think it is very objectionable at all.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Most industrial disputes have grown out of a group of men,

not the whole body, having a grievance and very often the grievance is something which affects only a handful of men. Where opportunity is denied of having a grievance investigated, it leads often to a very serious situation. The purpose of the Act is to avoid strikes and for that reason it enables any group of men who have a grievance and are sufficiently interested to have it investigated to call a meeting of all the men to consider whether or not they should apply to the Government for a board. They have a right under the Act as it stands, that they will not have under the law as the minister proposes to amend it. As I see the amendment of the minister, he is going to place it in the hands of one or two labour leaders, or one or two employers to decide as to whether or not there is to be an investigation of the dispute. It goes to the otljer extreme. If a group of men have a grievance and they want to have it investigated no such amendment as the minister proposes could give them that right. He says that they should call a mass meeting and if the men turn out to that meeting a board will be granted. He will not allow them the privilege of taking action unless then can rally enough men to make a demand on the Government by a majority vote. It practically puts the control of the situation in the hands of the leaders of either party, and I do not think it is going to work advantageously.


Arthur Meighen: I know the hon. member sees that his reasoning was wrong before and I think I can show him that he is wrong again. It will take a majority, if the law passes, to make application for a board. But, he says that places the whole power in the hands of two or three leaders. How does it? That is just exactly what the object of the amendment is to avoid. If a majority of the 500 members of a union must ask for a board, how is the power of one or two men enhanced? Previously the one or two men could call a meeting at three days' notice. If only a very few attended or were interested and the balance were not interested all they had to do was to convert 31 men in the case I have described, and they had their board. Now they have to get 251 instead of 31. The burden put upon the men who want to make trouble is heavier than it was before. It is giving control to the majority and not a few and that is the express purpose to be served by the Act. It is democratising the power of invoking boards and calling strikes. It is placing in the hands of the majority a power that formerly might be exercised by a few.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I will just put on record my own view of the matter and leave the responsibility with the minister. Take the case of a coal mine. You have a group of men working say, the pumps, and they have nothing whatever to do with the other parts of the mining operations. These men have a real grievance and they want to get it investigated. Under the law they can do it where other men are sufficiently interested in the dispute to come to a meeting. Under the law as the minister proposes to change it, if these men in the pump house were not prominent in the organization and the leaders who were in control wished to avoid any investigation because it might bring up some other matter affecting relations between one group of men and another, they would see to it that a sufficient number of men did not attend the meeting, the application would not be made and it would be impossible to have the grievance of this group of men investigated.


Arthur Meighen: That is another point
altogether. That has been raised by the hon. member for North Cape Breton (Mr. McKenzie).


William Lyon Mackenzie King: It is occasioned by this clause as now interpreted.


Arthur Meighen: It is affected by the
Act but it is very different from what the hon. gentleman is talking about. It will be affected by the Act to the extent that members of the union will require to have a majority in their favour before they can apply even although the dispute might directly affect only a small portion such as the leader of the Opposition describes. I presume that employees belonging to a definite union will feel that their interests are interests in common. I am rather of the opinion, although I do not want to speak positively, that this amendment has the approval of organized labour. If it is an objection that the majority of the members of the union must support the application, then, the amendment is subject to that objection. But it would not appear to me that it was an objection. However, I do not claim that my opinion is worth much on that point. If hon. members feel that this is a very important matter I have no objection to this clause standing as there is already one clause standing and we can discuss it again when the committee resumes.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: The widespread import of this amendment is highly objectionable. I feel that it is particularly open to objection taken in connection with con-

ditions in our own province. We have a union extending over four important and largely separated counties. I think the practice was that it was not necessary to have a vote in the different counties but all they had to do was to get the opinion of a majority of the group of employees immediately affected by the difficulty. We have a little coal company in 'Cape Breton called the Bras d'Or Cbal Company. It is a comparatively small concern but these men belong to the provincial union. Suppose we had a difficulty at the Bras d'Or Coal Company, that would only affect 300 or 400 men, is it rather not a ludicrous and clumsy method of settling that difficulty by means of a board to make it necessary to get the vote of the men at Springhill, and Pictou, and the men employed by the Dominion Coal Company and the Nova Scotia Steel Company? They are not concerned except in a sympathetic way. I have never heard of a provincial vote being taken for the purpose of getting a board and if that is the effect of the proposed amendment I do not think it is desirable at all. It should be localized to the place where the difficulty is and where the board is required. If it has not been submitted to the organizations in my own province I would strongly urge upon the minister the desirability of submitting all these changes to them and securing their opinion upon them.


Arthur Meighen: The hon. member must keep this in mind, that the object of a board of conciliation is to effect a settlement without a strike. If a strike occurs then all the members of the union who are affected will go on strike and not merely the section that may possibly have the immediate grievance. If all the members of the union are to be affected by this board of arbitration, surely it is only right that they should have a say as to whether a board of arbitration should be appointed. I do not see how you are going to restrict it, and I do not apprehend it has been restricted where there has been a union and within it a unit smaller than the union itself. I think it is necessary in practice that all the members of the union should have a say and in fact as the law stood every member of this union was entitled to notice of the meeting, and he could go there and vote the proposition down.
If they did not have a meeting, then, under the old law there had to be a majority of the members of the union, just the same as now. Therefore, the cumbersomeness of which the hon. member speaks was just the same under the old law as it could pos-

sibly be under this. The only difference is that under the old law, if there was a small meeting,-a very small cabal might precipitate the whole proceedings leading to a strike. Under the new law, a majority of those who are affected and expect to go on strike must be consulted before they launch the machinery that leads to that end.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I still do not see how the minister makes out the point he has been endeavouring to make that a majority of the members of the union is necessary in view of the change that has been suggested under this proposed amendment. There are two sentences in the clause, the first being:
By employees who are members of a trade union, by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union.
That is perfectly clear. The next sentence is a perfectly independent one which has nothing to do with the first. It reads:
If such authorization is obtained by a vote taken in whole or in part at a meeting-
It does not say "at a meeting of the union." It may be at any meeting.
-such meeting shall be called on not less than three days* notice and the vote shall be by ballot.
The whole effect of that is, as I said at the outset, simply to do away with the necessity of it being designated that a meeting is to consider a particular subject, and to give to the men present at any meeting that may be called the right to vote by ballot and a majority of them to put in an application.


Arthur Meighen: What is the effect of the word ".such"? The word "such" refers to the preceding sentence, "duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union."


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Such authorization means authorization to apply for a board.


Arthur Meighen: But of the character previously described. That is what the word "such" is used for.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister agree to making that all one sentence, taking out the period at the end of the first sentence?


Arthur Meighen: No, because the period is of great effect; it has the effect that I have contended for all along. The first sentence describes what the character of the authorization must be; it must be an authorization

by a majority of the members of the union. The second sentence says that such authorization, if secured at a meeting, must be secured so and so. This must be a majority authorization of the members of the union, or the word "such" has no meaning at all.


Mr. ANGUS McDONALD:: It seems to me that the amendment as it reads would preclude the possibility of men on a given property being able to make application for a board, provided that they belonged to the same organization as the men employed, for instance, in the entire camp, such as we have in the riding from which I come. We know there are grievances in individual properties, which grievances do not embrace all the properties in a mining camp, and this amendment would preclude the possibility of two or three hundred men in a given mine making application for a board when the men employed in the other mines in a given camp might have no inclination to apply for a board. Yet there is an injustice perpetrated on the men in this property, and the amendment states clearly that they cannot make application for a board because a majority of the rank and file of the membership who have no grievance whatever have to vote for the board. This amendment has a joker in it; it is taking away from the -workingman one of bis prerogatives.


Arthur Meighen: What the hon. member says as to the effect of this arises evidently out of a little apprehension as to what it means. That is just what the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) has been arguing it does not mean.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: My hon.
friend, (Mr. McDonald) has expressed exactly the view I expressed a minute ago.


Arthur Meighen: 
Angus McDonald: Then, as I understand the matter, there is nothing in this that precludes the possibility of a walk-out through the mere fact that there is no way of redress on a given property.


Arthur Meighen: Yes, there is.


Angus McDonald: There' is, under this amendment, no way of getting redress on a given property without involving all the members of a union in a given camp.


Arthur Meighen: Everybody in the same union, yes.


Angus McDonald: Then, according to the minister's explanation, it seems to me that this amendment, instead of being beneficial to labour organizations, is aiming at their destruction.


Mr. DOUGLAS:: Collective bargaining.


Angus McDonald: It is taking away the men's right to make application for a board if you insist that the application must be approved by 100 per cent of the employees. The effect is to preclude from being law-abiding citizens men who wish to abide by the constitution. Either that, or they have to submit to tyranny.


Arthur Meighen: They submit themselves to the majority of the members of their union, and I would be very loth to say that that was submitting to tyranny. They submit only to a majority of the members of their union, for the reason that that majority, indeed, their whole union, is affected by the proceedings, and are expected to answer for the proceedings should they result in a strike.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I want to emphasize very strongly what my hon. friend (Mr. McDonald) has said. Speaking as one who has a practical knowledge of the difficulties which arise in mining camps, perhaps the minister will be prepared to listen to him if he will not listen to anything I may say. My hon. friend (Mr. McDonald) has said exactly what I said when making objection to this clause as interpreted by the minister. The minister does not know the Act or appreciate the purpose for which it was introduced. All through the discussion he has talked about a strike, and of the action of a few men involving the rest in a strike. That shows a complete ignorance of the purpose of the legislation. It is for the purpose of investigating disputes, not for the purpose of saving a whole group of men from being brought out on strike. It is to make possible at the public expense an investigation of difficulties that may lead to a strike. A group of men may have their grievance investigated under this Act and have it satisfactorily settled without bringing others into the matter at all. Allow a handful of men to suffer under a real grievance for a time, and very soon you will bring a whole district into a state of unrest and discontent. The primary purpose of the Act is to begin investigation as speedily as possible where there is a real grievance. Men are not going to ask for Government investigation of a difficulty if they have not a substantial grievance. If they give public notice that they desire a certain matter should be investigated, and a majority interested ask for a board, I think they should have it. The only way to solve these problems is to have just as much publicity as we possibly can have, when there is any question of unfair treatment to be investigated.


Arthur Meighen: I have no desire to recriminate with the hon. member at all, but what he argued for a long time was that there was no difference between this amendment and the previous law, except that the previous law required calling the meeting to say what the object was. Otherwise, he "said, there was no difference at all.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I said, where
the meeting was called for the purpose in question those attending the meeting should have a board granted if the majority present were in favour of it.


Arthur Meighen: The hon. member said precisely, and argued strenuously, and answered my question categorically when I asked if that was not his contention, that there was no difference at all except the one I have stated. He argued that a majority was required, and it was still required. Now he says he is wrong, and he wants to get in line with somebody else. I know the hon. member knows more as to the wisdom of this legislation than I do, because he had more to do with it, but as to interpretation, there is no question that the interpretation given on behalf of the Government at the opening of the committee was the right interpretation. That is the intention of this law, whether it be right or wrong. It may be that possibly I have not in mind exactly the correct comprehension of union. Trade union is defined in paragraph (1) as follows:
"trade union" or "union" means any organization of employees formed for the purpose of regulating relations between employers and employees.
I do not know but what that may be wide enough to cover what is ordinarily known as a local union. If so, all that would be required is a majority of the local union. It would occur to me that local union would come within the terms of this definition, so there would be no need of going outside of that. If that is the case, I think it would meet the point raised by the hon. member (Mr. McDonald).


Henry Arthur Mackie: The United Mine Workers of America have about 30,000 men in Alberta. Under the amendment what number of men would be required to petition for a board in the case of a grievance concerning only one mine where say 300 men were employed?


Arthur Meighen: I presume that would
be a local union.


Henry Arthur Mackie: Then the number
required would be a majority of the local

union because a union is defined as' "any organization of employees formed for the purpose of regulating relations between employers and employees." A local unim certainly is such an organization, so all that would be required would be a majority of the local union. My hon. friend (Mr. McDonald) is therefore wrong in saying that a whole camp would be tied up.


Arthur Meighen: He may have been misled (by my using the word "organization" instead of "union." Union is the right word, and a majority of the local union would be all that was required.
Mr. MeDONALD: I have not said that we would go on strike for this, because I want to impress on the committee that every workingman with an ounce of sense wants to avoid strikes as much as possible. It seems to me, however, that this amendment would tend to bring on strikes rather than to prevent them. I want to make any point clear. We have at least one property in the camp where I have lived for thirteen years, and where men have been fired because they had the temerity to vote for me at the last election. That, in my estimation is a grievance in a free country. This legislation would prevent the men employed on that property having recourse to constitutional methods for remedying their grievance. All the other employees at the different camps would have to be consulted. They would have to canvass the entire camp to get a majority of the organization to get out and vote, and if the men went on strike without doing that, they would be infringing on the laws of this country.
Mr. H. A. iMACKIE:	Does the entire
camp belong to the same union?.
Mr. MeDONALD:	Undoubtedly. Our
International Union embraces all crafts in our camp.


Henry Arthur Mackie: Is there just one
local union or several locals combined into one head union?


Angus McDonald: We have one local
union in our camp embracing all crafts. I contend that this legislation takes away from the people the incentive to be law-abiding citizens.
Mr. H. A. MAiOKIE:	How many men
employed in the camp belong to the same union?
Mr. McDonald : 2,500.
Mr. McKENZI'E: I think the minister should leave the law as it was, as regards
meetings and the decision that must be reached before employees can apply to the board. The old Act has been interpreted repeatedly through practice, and throughout labour camps, mines, and unions it is well understood what steps are necessary in order to get a board, and I have never heard of any particular difficulty having arisen because any board was obtained improperly or with too much facility. After all, representations have to be made to the minister and it is entirely in his discretion whether he will grant a board or not. It is absolutely discretionary on his part, and I therefore think that, with that ultimate safeguard in view, it should be made as easy as possible for the workingmen of this country to make their application in this matter. I want to warn the minister that the moment he passes legislation making an absolute majority necessary he at once starts a powerful faction among those companies and employees who may not desire to have any investigation made and who for that reason would keep men from attending meetings. And it is well known that the influence that can be exercised in this respect is considerable. Take a big company like the Dominion Coal Company, of Cape Breton, which has twenty-four different mines under its control. I presume that every one of those mines has its lodge; they do not call their unions "local branches" but "lodges." There is a lodge at Caledonia, and possibly one at every other mine, and if there were any difficulty between the management and the men, that lodge would call a meeting of its members to discuss the questions involved. Any number of men might attend that meeting, and under the old law a majority vote would entitle them to make application for the board. We should leave the matter as simple as possible, and leave no opportunity for the exercise of influence that would have the effect of rendering any meeting unconstitutional. We have in the town of Sydney Mines five or six different mines under one management, and I understand that any one of these hitherto had the right to issue a notice calling together those who were interested in .that particular mine and if there was a majority of those present favourable they had the right to make application. I think it would be well at all events to have the opinion of these lodges, and I have no doubt that the men in my own province would be opposed to any law that would put obstacles in the way of their getting a board when necessary. I rather think that the workingmen

in the province of Nova Scotia 5 p.m. will regard this new legislation as taking away the power which they now possess and conferring on employers a power which at present they have not and which they might use in preventing the labouring men from holding constitutionally called meetings. I agree entirely with the member for Timiskaming (Mr. McDonald), a workingman himself, that the obtaining of relief by constitutional means should be made as easy as possible, and that everything in the nature of arbitrary power should be removed.


Arthur Meighen: I move that the clause stand.
Section stands.
On section 3-clerical correction consequent on amendment of S. 16.


Arthur Meighen: This sectiop also will have to stand; it depends on the passing of section 2.
Section stands.
On section 4-allowance to witnesses.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: In speaking on this section in the Senate-if I may refer to what the Minister of Labour said in that Chamber in regard to the measure - it was intimated that the purpose of the amendment was to allow a fee of two dollars as the sum that was desirable. The Minister gave the figures that were paid!. In some provinces witnesses were allowed 75 cents and in others $3, and he suggested that in order to make for uniformity there should be an allowance of $2 as a fee. The amendment now suggests a minimum of $4.


Arthur Meighen: The $2 to which the Minister of Labour referred was, I think, for attendance alone. In some provinces it is 75 cents and in others it is as high as $2, but this allowance will cover not only attendance but expenses. This is intended to make uniform, so far as possible, the fee taxable in all provinces. The allowance of $4 is the minimum for attendance and expenses.	.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is not what the Minister of Labour said in putting through the measure in the Senate. If I might read his words I should be glad to call them to the attention of my hon. friend.


Arthur Meighen: I have no objection; it is of course against the rules.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I do not wish to take a course that is not proper, but I

have the Senate debates in my hand and the words of the Minister of Labour in regard to section 34 are perfectly clear if my hon. friend looks at Hansard.


Arthur Meighen: I read the speech of the Minister of Labour as it appeared in Hansard and as a result I consulted him on the subject. I know he intends $4 to be the minimum for both attendance and expenses.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I do not think that this is a good amendment; it is an unwise departure. The law as it stands at present recognizes the fees paid witnesses in the courts in the different provinces and this legislation as drafted makes a change which I consider entirely unnecessary. The minister will find that in some provinces $4 would not be adequate as an allowance for attendance as well as expenses.


Arthur Meighen: Four dollars as a minimum might he unjust in a city where the expense of maintenance was very high. Four dollars is the minimum, tout the idea of the Minister of Labour is this: That to provide that a witness in one province shall, in these times, only get seventy-five cents for his time will press upon that man unduly severely because the witnesses are very often workingmen themselves. The minister's idea is that it iis not fair in a province to pay a man at the present time only seventy-five cents for his day, so he declares there shall be a minimum always paid in respect otf attendance and expenses of $4. That is the only modification of the present law.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: In our province in addition to witness fees, a. mileage payment is made. I certainly think that seventy-five cents for the attendance of a witness is ridiculously low. A -man cannot get his dinner now at Sydney, where the courts sit, for seventy-five -cents. I have not been able to re-ad the section, and I would therefore ask if it provides anything by way of travelling expenses in the shape of mileage?


Arthur Meighen: At present the law on this subject reads as follows:
Every person who is summoned and duly attends as a witness shall be entitled to an allowance for expenses according to the scale for the time being in force with respect to witnesses in civil suits in the superior courts in the province where the inquiry is being conducted.
The amendment adds:
with a minimum allowance of four dollars per day.

Thus the allowance of a witness shall not be less than $4 per day. He is entitled to an allowance for expenses according to the scale for the time being in force respecting winesses in civil suits in the civil courts in the provinoe where the inquiry is being conducted. Now he gets a minimum' allowance of .altogether $4 a day. He may get .more tout he cannot get less.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Why should witnesses toe allowed more when appearing before these boards than they are when appearing before the courts? The effect of this amendment -may simply be that forty or fifty men may be called in as witnesses for a minute or two, and thereby obtain the minimum allowance of $4. I think there is an advantage in keeping the cost of administering this Act as low as possible. Everyone would wish to see that, witnesses were properly compensated, but I think the allowance granted under the rules laid down for the superior courts of the different provinces is a fair allowance.


Arthur Meighen: The idea of the Minister of Labour, I think, is this: It is not fair to take a man from his work-and the working man is usually the type of man who is called- and pay him, to meet all his expenses, a less sum than $4. Where a board is meeting it is thought there is very little chance of such a witness being away from his work less than a day. That is the minister's only idea in making this provision. It does seem to me that the time of a workingman is just as valuable in Prince Edward Island or Nova Scotia as it is in Ontario or Manitoba where the rates are higher. There does not seem to be any reason why we should distinguish, because the provinces for their own purposes distinguish in the cases referred to- that is the minister's only idea.


[Stage Direction]
Section agreed to.
On section five-relation of parties to remain unaltered pending proceedings before a board, and delivery of report.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister explain this change?


Arthur Meighen: The purpose is to prevent the declaration of a strike until the report of the Board of Conciliation is delivered to the parties concerned through the registrar.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That has always been the law. I think there was some technical objection taken, was there not?


Arthur Meighen: I think a technical ruling was given.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I think some employer in Toronto refused to wait until he got a copy of the report in the ordinary way.
On section 6-Minister may, on or without application, order a board or recommend inquiry.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Will the minister kindly explain this amendment?


Arthur Meighen: The purpose of this amendment is to permit the establishment of a board by the Minister of Labour without application from the employers or employees concerned in cases where a strike seems, to the minister, to be imminent. Apparently the minister cannot call for a board as the law stands, unless there is a strike.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Unless there is an application.


Arthur Meighen: Yes. Anyway the effect of the amendment is to enable him to establish a Board of Conciliation. In any case where a strike seems to him to toe imminent he can establish the board himself.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I do not want to appear unduly critical, but some of the points I am bringing up were very carefully considered when this law was being drafted, and this happens to be one of them. I think it would be a great mistake to adopt the amendment which is suggested here, giving the minister the right to establish a board wherever he thinks a strike is imminent, for the simple reason that the Whole purpose underlying the Act is to allow either of the parties to a dispute to request a board when they feel that their interests demand it, but otherwise to render the chance of Government interference as remote as possible. This amendment means that the minister may, when he takes it into his head, start an inquiry and establish one of these boards without w'aiting for either of the parties to the dispute to ask for it. I can only think of one consequence of this amendment so far as the ministry is concerned. It is that where no action is taken under it the government of the day will be blamed for not having intervened, inasmuch as the minister is given power to intervene without the parties requesting any action; and, on the other hand, if the government does take action under this amendment, if it goes into the dispute on its own initiative, and trouble arises, the gov-

ernment will be told it had no business to interfere, and that it should have left it to the parties themselves to ask for a board. I think the amendment is a thoroughly mischievous one, and that if the minister Should take advantage of it and start in to investigate disputes, without either of the parties asking for an investigation, it will only get the Government and everybody else into trouble. I do not see how the minister himself could establish a board under this clause because the Act requires that the parties to the dispute shall be asked to name their representatives on a board. If neither of them has asked for a board I am inclined to think that neither will respond to the minister's request to get the board established. True, if they refuse to accede to the minister's request to name such members, then the minister himself may appoint them. That simply means giving the minister arbitrary power to frame a board of his own choice.if he thinks a difficulty is arising between an employer and his employees. I think the amendment may be well intended, but I am perfectly sure it will be construed as being in the nature of giving to the 'Government power to dabble in any industrial question when it suits it so to do, and to refuse to intervene of its own initiative when it may .seem unwise to do so, and therefore I doubt if it will be helpful. The law as it stands gives the minister the power to establish a board even where the parties have not requested it, once a strike or lockout arises. The minister has power at any time without application of an interested party to appoint an investigator or a commissioner under the provisions of the Inquiries Act. It is open to him at all times-in the event of a dispute occurring which is likely to affect the public interest-to appoint an officer of the department, or any two or three men, to investigate. The minister has that power under the Inquiries Act, but in exercising the power under that Act, other members of the Government would have a voice as to the wisdom or otherwise of instituting such an inquiry. I think that is a wise precaution. I do not think it is desirable to put in the hands of a minister the right of his own motion to institute an investigation into an industrial dispute without a request from any quarter, and that is the effect of this amendment.


Arthur Meighen: I do not happen to have the amendment of 1918 before me, but I think the objections the hon. member now raises to this amendment would be applicable to the amendment of 1918.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I -have that
amendment before me. It gave a minister the right to intervene if a strike or lock-out occurred without one of the parties making application. I think that was a good amendment, but the amendment suggested now goes much further, and proposes that before any application for a board has been made the minister himself may appoint a board of investigation if he thinks a strike is imminent. That puts a minister in a very arbitrary position.


Arthur Meighen: I find the amendment of 1918 has the effect stated by the hon. member. That is, by the law as it stood in 1918, where a dispute reaches such a stage that a strike is imminent the minister may appoint a board, and that board becomes as effective as a board called for by the parties. But such a power vested in a minister is subject to practically all the objections the hon. member urges against this amendment. The minister in that case has to take the responsibility of deciding whether the appointment of such a board will be in the public interest; that is one of the objections the hon. member raises. Another objection is that the minister does not have to confer with his colleagues; but that objection is equally applicable to the amenndment of 1918. It is true that this amendment pushes that power a little further and gives the minister power to appoint a board even although no dispute has actually reached the stage of a strike. It does seem to me that if the minister has power to appoint a board after it is too late to avoid all the consequences of a strike, he ought to have power to appoint a board before the crisis is reached. Matters have got to a stage where both parties are fighting each other with all their might, and it is clear * that neither of them is going to apply for a board; but the strike is not yet called, it is only fixed for some time ahead. Now, if the minister comes to the conclusion that this is the state of affairs, surely it is desirable that he should then have porwer to appoint a board rather than wait until the strike is on, with all its disastrous consequences. It is true that this amendment goes a little further than the amendment of 1918, but there is no objection fundamental to the one which does not apply to the other. It is true there is * power to appoint a commissioner under the Inquiries Act which can be done by Order in Council at any time, llrat a commissioner under that Act has different functions and stands in a different relation to the two

parties to the controversy that a board does. A board, immediately it is appointed, is clothed *with the power vested in it by this Act, namely, to settle the industrial dispute, but a commissioner under the Inquiries Act has not that power. So it was thought advisable by the Government, on the advice of the Minister of Labour, to extend the power of the minister to enable him to appoint a board when, in his judgment, the dispute between the parties had brought them to the verge of a strike or a lockout, as the case might be, and thereby seek to work out a solution.of the difficulty before it was too late.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I submit that the really fundamental point is the public interest. When a strike is in progress it is obviously desirable that a board should investigate, and I think the minister should have poweT, if there is any hesitation on the part of the disputants, to go ahead and appoint a board. But in the absence of' any strike or lockout it does not seem to me desirable to give the minister power at bis own caprice to establish a board to investigate a dispute tha;, has not yet taken a form that affects the public interest one way or the other. When I was Minister of Labour the department repeatedly received requests by one or the other of the parties to an industrial dispute to start an investigation in order that the party applying might thereby secure some advantage. If I had listened to those requests it is difficult to say what consequences might have followed. But I rwas in the position of being able to say that it was for the parties themselves to apply to the Government; it was not for the Government on the action of one of the parties to take any steps. Usually I found that where pressure was being exerted it was to serve some end which was really not in the public interest. While I have every confidence in the present Minister of Labour in a matter of this kind, I can conceive of eases in which under another minister a very unfair advantage might be taken under such a clause, an advantage that might work very much to the injury oif the employers on the one hand or of the employees on the other. The fundamental idea underlying this legislation is non-interference by the Government until the public interest is adversely affected, leaving to the parties themselves to decide whether or not they will ask for the appointment of a board of conciliation.


Arthur Meighen: I think this amendment is all right and I would like to see it carried.


The CHAIRMAN:: Shall clause 6 carry?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I move that it be struck out.


Georges Henri Boivin: That would be a negative motion. Hon. members of the Opposition certainly have the right to vote against this amendment.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I shall vote against it.
Amendment agreed to on division.
Progress reported.



INSPECTION AND SALE ACT AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
On the motion of Hon. S. F. Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture) the House went into committee on the following resolution, Mr. Boivin in the Chair:
Resolved, that it is expedient to bring in a measure:-
1.	To repeal sections three hundred and twenty-five and three hundred and twenty-six of the Inspection and Sale Act, as enacted by chapter twenty-nine of the Statutes of 1918, relating to the dimensions of fruit packages, and also sections three hundred and thirty and three hundred and thirty-three A of the said Act, as enacted by chapter thirty-five of the Statutes of 1908, relating respectively to penalties for violation of the first-mentioned sections, and to the appointment of inspectors to enforce the provisions of this part of the said Act; and
2.	To provide that the Governor in Council may make regulations:-
" (a) to prescribe the quality, form, dimen. sions and capacity of all containers in which fruit shall be packed and the materials of which such containers shall be made;
" (b) to prescribe the kind of fruits which shall be subject to the regulations;
" (c) deemed by him to be necessary to secure the efficient operation and enforcement of this part;
"(d) to prescribe penalties not exceeding fifty dollars, and, in default of payment of any such penalty, imprisonment for any term not exceeding one month, for the violation of the said regulations, which penalties shall be recoverable upon summary conviction under Part XV of the Criminal Code; and the regulations so made shall be published in the Canada Gazette, and shall have the force of law from the date of such publication."
Hon. Mr. TOLMIE:: The changes asked for by this resolution are made necessary by the fact that in 1918 certain conditions were embodied in the Act for the handling of fruit and fruit packages to be used. It has been found that, owing to the technical nature of this work, it would involve great inconvenience if the regulations were carried out as provided for by the law. At



a meeting of fruit growers, fruit inspectors and manufacturers of baskets, it was decided that they should ask for the repeal of these sections and that power should be given to make certain regulations by Order in Council so that they might toe readily changed from time to time to meet the varying situations that might occur. Certain penalties are asked for in place of those now provided for by the Act.
(Resolution reported, read the second time and concurred in.)
Hon. S. F. TOLMIB (Minister of Agriculture) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 104 to amend the Inspection and Sale Act.
Motion agreed to and Bill read a first time.



PETROLEUM AND NAPHTHA INSPECTION ACT AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
Hon. MARTIN BURRELL (Minister of Customs and Inland Revenue) moved the second reading of Bill No. 92 to amend the Petroleum and Naphtha Inspection Act.
Motion agreed to and House went into committee on the Bill, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: What is the change involved by this amendment?


Martin Burrell: The section as it read in the old law was:
if it weighs more than 8 lbs. and 5/100ths of a pound per gallon.
That Act was passed in 1906 when the oil came from the Canadian and Pennsylvanian fields. Oil ranged from 8 and 8.05 to 8.13 pounds per gallon. Since that time there has been production from other sources and latterly we have been getting oil from midcontinent points in Wyoming and elsewhere, which is of very much higher specific gravity, running to as much as 8.15 pounds per gallon. If we do not increase the allowance as to specific gravity in the testing of the oil, we lose seven-tenths of one per cent in the process from the crude to the refined and by bringing the requirement up to 8.17 pounds per gallon we allow for the full extraction of refined oil from the crude. This refers to illuminating oil.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: This amendment has no bearing on the bounties that are paid?


Martin Burrell: No, it has nothing to do with them.
Bill reported, read the third time and passed.



DOMINION FRANCHISE ACT.

[Stage Direction]
The House resumed, from April 29, consideration in committee of Bill No. 12 (Hon. Mr. Guthrie) respecting the election of members of the House of Commons, and the electoral franchise, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 40 (reconsidered) nomination of candidates:
Hugh Guthrie: The clause is drawn the same as the old clause but we are making a change by this Act in the time that intervenes between nomination and polling day. Officers who are expert in matters appertaining to elections say that they fear that unless we state particularly in the section the date for polling as well as for nomination there may be some difficulty of mix-up in regard to these dates.
It has been suggested that clause 40 may be made more explicit by making certain amendments. I, therefore, move to amend subclause (1) of clause 40 by adding, after the word "candidates" in the second line thereof, the words "and the day for polling"; by substituting for the word "it" in the second line, the words "the days so fixed"; by adding after the word "election," where it appears the second time in the third line, the words "the same days shall be fixed for the nomination of candidates and for polling respectively in all electoral districts", and by striking the balance of the subclause from the Bill. The result of that will be that both nomination day and polling day will be fixed in the writ of election.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Charles Gavan Power: Was any amendment made to subclause 4?


Hugh Guthrie: No. Under the old law the number was twenty-dive; under the proposed legislation it is ten.


Charles Gavan Power: I was not here when this subclause was under consideration before, but I desire to draw the attention of the minister to this subclause which reads:
Any ten or more electors of an electoral district	may nominate a candidate.
By paragraph (g) of clause 2, the word "elector" is defined:
"Elector" means any person qualified to vote at a Dominion election, whether his name is or is not on any list of voters.
We are in this position that we do not know whether at the moment of the election these ten men will be bona fide electors. Yet

we call them electors. Subclause (6) of clause 40 provides that the person who presents this nomination paper shall swear that those who have signed it are duly qualified electors; but at the time the nomination paper is handed in, it is impossible for any person to state whether or not these people are duly qualified electors, the lists not having at that time been made up.


Hugh Guthrie: We have considered that matter before. I do not know that I would insist on the present wording; I do not think it would matter much whether we described the man as an elector or as a voter. This legislation is so general in its application that under it there are very few who will not be voters and who will not be electors. A voter is defined in clause 2 as a man whose name appears on the voters' list; but the objection to using the word "voter" here is that all the voters' lists may not be completed on nomination day. After nomination day, certain revisions take place. The list is not complete on nomination day; a man's name may be on the list on nomination day and may be struck off afterwards by the judge. I think little difficulty can arise if the man is described as an elector. In my riding I think I could get a man who would swear that the ten men are electors.


Charles Gavan Power: I was about to suggest to the minister that one way to get over the difficulty would be to have all the lists completed before nomination day.


Hugh Guthrie: The suggiestiom may
seem very simple on its face, but it will involve changing about sixty clauses and subclauses of this measure. These clauses are dovetailed as to a number of things, such as date of notice, date of completion!, and so forth, and it is difficult to make a change and know where you are going to land. I would rather the word was left as it is.


Charles Gavan Power: Under subclause (6) a man must swear that these ten men are duly qualified electors, and he cannot know that they are duly qualified electors; he may commit perjury. If there is no amendment to this, it is the easiest thing in the world for a man who desires to be a candidate to get ten names.


Hugh Guthrie: He will take the consequences for so doing.


Charles Gavan Power: What is the object of putting in any names if as likely as not they will not be electors anyway?
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Hugh Guthrie: I like the system in the province of a nominee and a seconder; but Parliament in its wisdom made the provision that twenty-five electors should make the nomination, and we thought it well to reduce the number to ten, as in some remote constituencies it is hard to get twenty-five names. I think a candidate will take enough interest in his nomination paper to see that ten of those who nominate him are electors.
Mr. LEVI THOMSON':	We have heard
something about crookedness of election officers, and provided the registrar, as it would be in this case, is crooked, it would be very easy to prevent the nomination of a candidate. This amendment would allow the registrar to keep off the list the electors who might join in nominating a certain candidate, and in that way they could prevent the nomination of the candidate very easily. I think the section is very much safer as it is, and my hon. friend would be well advised not to accept the suggested amendment.


Charles Gavan Power: If I caught my hon.
friend's remarks correctly he contends that a candidate may be nominated by, say, ten or more electors and then the returning officer or some official who is crooked may strike the names of those ten men off the list and the candidate may thereby be defeated, because a bogus nomination paper was handed in.


Mr. LEVI THOMSON:: That would be
the effect were the amendment carried. As the Act stands now, I am an elector whether I am on the list or not, but the amendment could shut me out entirely. In the election of 1896 I know that sixteen electors in my polling district were deliberately left off the list by the enumerator. I would have no hesitation in swearing that they were all bona fide voters. I repeat, that if this amendment is agreed to, a crooked enumerator might easily prevent a candidate from being nominated.


Charles Gavan Power: My suggestion was that the lists should be completed before nomination day, so that those who swear these men are duly qualified electors might be absolutely certain of it.


Levi Thomson: It was after the completion of the lists that these sixteen were struck off. As the Act now stands, these men oan swear on election day that they are entitled to vote, but as the Act was then, owing to an amendment that had been made by the 'Senate, they could not do that.


Charles Gavan Power: This last minute registration, so to speak, by swearing in at the polls only exists so far as the rural districts are concerned. In the cities there is some finality to the lists some time before election day. 1 am suggesting that we obtain this finality with regard to all the lists, and have them completely closed before nomination day.


Levi Thomson: Would you prevent the rural voters who were left off the list from voting?


Charles Gavan Power: Yes.


Levi Thomson: Well I, hope
your suggestion will not be carried out, because otherwise the Government would be placed in a most powerful position, just as in 1896. It has never occurred since, because my hon. friend's leader at that time took strenuous objection and had the Act amended at once, and wisely so, I think. If ipy hon. friend's suggestion were adopted, the Government would be in entire control.
Section as amended agreed to.
On section 44-granting of poll


Hugh Guthrie: This is really the counterpart of clause 37 in some respects. It provides for notice of the poll being given by proclamation. I Ibeg to move that in line 46 after the words "form P" the following words be inserted:
in the English and French languages in every electoral district in the provinces of Quebec and Manitoba, and in the English language only in other electoral districts.


Mr. PROULX:: Has clause 37 passed?


Hugh Guthrie: No, it stands.


Edmond Proulx: Has consideration been
given to the question whether the two languages will be extended to other provinces?


Hugh Guthrie: This will not affect
clause 37 anyway. If we are going to print in Quebec and Manitoba the first proclamation in English and French, certainly we should print the proclamation in regard to the polling divisions in the same way. The amendment is simply to make this clause correspond with clause 37 as drawn, in accordance with what we believe to be statutory authority. But perhaps it would be as well to let this clause stand.
Clause stands.
On section 53-certain officers and agents may vote at polling stations where employed:
fMr. Thomson.]


Hugh Guthrie: I beg to move that the word "revising" which has been substituted by a previous amendment for the word "receiving" at the end of line 25 be struck out, and the word "returning" 'be substituted therefor.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: I beg to move that after the word "certificate" in line 22 the words "to any candidate" be inserted.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: I beg to move that paragraph (a) of subsection (2) be struck out in its entirety. This is already covered by subsection (5).


Charles Gavan Power: It might very well occur that he would issue more than two; but it is provided that not more than two shall be used. Does the minister understand me?


Hugh Guthrie: We ought to limit the issue too.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If you intend to strike out one of the subclauses I think you should strike out 5 and retain the one which gives the number of certificates that may be issued.


Hugh Guthrie: I have the wrong amendment. I put the words "to any candidate" in line 22 after the word "certificate". That should read: "such certificate in form T1 of this Act". I move that the section be 'amended accordingly.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: In the first line of subsection 2 the words "revising officer" should be "returning officer". I move that the subsection be thus amended.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: With regard to paragraph (a) which I have moved to be struck out, I think that subsection 5, which provides that no more than two agents of any candidate shall have the right to vote "in such manner" at any polling station, covers the whole question. I move that paragraph (a) be struck out.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
At six o'clock the committee took recess.
After Recess.
The committee resumed at Eight o'clock.
Hugh Guthrie: Since the adjournment we have again examined this clause 53

with some care, and it has been pointed out that the amendments which were suggested or made before six o'clock would hardly be appropriate. Under our former law the returning officers were the officers empowered to grant agents' certificates to enable agents to vote at polls other than the ones at which they resided. It has now been pointed out to me that under the scheme of the present Bill, the returning officer has not the final custody of the lists. He may be absent on election business in some riding, perhaps two or three hundred miles away, delivering polling books, establishing polls, or the like; whereas the lists, in the urban divisions, are in the hands of a judge or revising officer, and, in the rural electoral districts, in the hands of the registrar. Consequently it has been suggested that the proper persons to grant the agents' certificates in urban divisions would be the revising officer, and in the rural divisions the registrar. To accomplish that end I will again have to move that this clause be further revised and amended. It can be done by striking out the words "qr registrar of such division" where they occur at line 23, and by inserting the following words:
Where such other polling division is an urban polling division, and from the registrar, where such other division is a rural polling division.
If that amendment be made the section will read thus: 1
(1) Any candidate, deputy returning officer, agent or poll clerk who is an elector qualified in a polling division other than that whereat he is employed on polling day shall be permitted to vote at the polling station where he is so employed if he produces and files with the deputy returning officer at such polling station a certificate in form T1 to this Act from the revising officer where such other polling division is an urban polling division, and from the registrar where such other polling division is a rural polling division, that such candidate, officer, agent or clerk is a qualified elector in such other polling division which certificate the revising officer or registrar shall give gratis.
The section should stop at the word "gratis," and the words "qualified elector who is on polling day so employed" should be struck out. If these last words are allowed to remain, any elector could go up to the revising officer, or registrar, and demand a certificate. I therefore move, Mr. Chairman, that the words I have indicated should be struck out and the others inserted, and that in line 26 of subsection one the words "to any qualified elector who is on polling day so employed" be struck out. I think the section will be all right then.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Are we leaving in ^a)?


Hugh Guthrie: I understood (a) was struck out. That opens the door too wide.


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Amendment agreed to.
Georges Henri Boivin: Are there any other amendments to that section?


Hugh Guthrie: The word "receiving" on line 29 should be "revising." We changed it to "returning" but it should be "revising."
Section as amended agreed to.
On section 55-when poll shall be held: The CHAIRMAN: Shall clause 55 carry?


Mr. DENIS:: If the clauses were read, Mr. Chairman, it would give us time to gather their meaning.


Georges Henri Boivin: I am very sorry that I cannot grant the hon. member's request. The clauses have all been read once and I think it is unfair to ask the Chairman to read them a second time.


Jean-Joseph Denis: I have reference now to clause 55.


Georges Henri Boivin: It .was read on a former occasion when it Iwas amended and allowed to stand over. If the committee desires the clause read it has the right to have it read, but such is not the right of an individual member.


Jean-Joseph Denis: We cannot at a moment's-notice let a clause pass without having a little time to consider it.


Georges Henri Boivin: If the hon. gentleman had been present when the clause was last considered he would have heard it read by the Chairman and would not now have occasion to make such an application. '


Jean-Joseph Denis: I do not want to criticize your ruling, Mr. Chairman, but even if I had been in the committee at that time, and it is quite possible I may have been, it would be impossible for me to remember what that clause contains.


Georges Henri Boivin: Shall the clause carry?


Hugh Guthrie: An amendment to that clause was adopted.


Georges Henri Boivin: In line 43?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes.


Georges Henri Boivin: It was amended by adding after the word, "but" the words "at an election other than a general election."


Hugh Guthrie: That was the only amendment.	_


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I think the reason this clause was allowed to stand on a former occasion was on account of the provision that the polls should open at six o'clock in the morning. If I remember correctly, the minister said he was prepaired to consider the wisdom of keeping the polls open from six o'clock in the morning until six at night, or changing the time to some other hour. Some members were of the opinion that the convenience of the public would be better suited if the polls were opened at seven o'clock in the morning rather than at six o'clock.


Mr. CALDWELL:: What have been the
hours in the past?


Hugh Guthrie: From nine o'clock to
five.


Mr. LEGER:: I am strongly opposed to
opening the polls at six o'clock. I have acted as returning officer at several elections and I have found that during the first hour in the morning only a few votes were polled. It is impossible tb run an election before daylight, but if the polls must be opened even at seven o'clock, it seems to me it would be better to have one or two more polling stations and close the poll at six o'clock in the afternoon. In this way, I think, the convenience of the people generally would be better met.


Hugh Guthrie: One object in making
the hour six o'clock was to meet the convenience of persons who had to take early morning trains, particularly suburbanites living in the neighbourhood of our large cities. Many of those trains leave before seven o'clock in the morning, and those men do not get back to their homes in the country until after seven at night. The early hour might also be a convenience to a good many workmen who have a long distance to go to their work, but they have two hours for voting during which time they can absent themselves from work without loss. It is true that in many places very few votes would be polled between six and seven o'clock in the morning, but the early hour of opening the poll would be a convenience to a number of people, and I am satisfied that it would work no very great hardship on any one in charge of the poll.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: I know many cases
where the returning officer lives anywhere from a mile to two and a half miles from the polling station in rural constituencies, and it will be absolutely foolish, if I may

use that word, to open the poll at six o'clock in the morning. I think it is an unnecessary hardship that the returning officer and their assistants should have to be on hand at six o'clock in the morning, when, as we know, very few votes are polled for the first hour or two; and I would suggest to the minister that he Tefrain from making this applicable to the rural constituencies. On the other hand, in the cities, I doubt if any one would be out of bed at six o'clock. So I do not see any necessity for this early opening of the polls except for the convenience of suburbanites.


Hugh Guthrie: The trouble is that the suburbanites live in the rural constituencies, and it is largely for their convenience that the clause is inserted. In cities like Toronto and Montreal many of these suburbanites are engaged in their business until five or six o'clock at night and do not reach their homes in the country until an hour later. I cannot see any great hardship in asking the returning officers and others to be on duty at six o'clock instead of at eight.


John Flaws Reid: Is it possible that one set of officers could carry on from six in the morning until six at night?


Hugh Guthrie: That was done during the last election. Those are the hours all over the United States, and also in England, and I do not think they find that any great hardship results.


Mr. DEMERS:: How does the minister reconcile Rule 20 of Schedule A and Rule 5 of Schedule B with paragraph 6 of section 56? The poll will be open at six o'clock, but under those two rules-


Hugh Guthrie: We have to change section 32, and in the meantime that is forbidden fruit. I may tell my hon. friend that I have that noted.


Mr. W. H. WHITE:: I support the objection made by the hon. member for Carle-ton (Mr. Caldwell). In the West if an election were held in November the returning officers and his staff would have to travel over the prairie two or three hours before daylight to get to the poll. I do not see any reason for such an early hour in the rural districts, especially as, on an average,
I suppose not more than fifty votes are polled in the first hour. I do not know whether it is possible to make arrangements to extend the hours for the suburbanite vote, but certainly this early hour would not work out well in the rural districts.

Mr. MARCIL; I agree with the hon. member that so tar as the rural constituencies are concerned there is no real reason why the polls should open at six in the morning, and I think the old practice of opening the polls at nine o'clock and closing them at five would meet the case fully. In cities and surrounding districts the opening of the polls early in the morning may be an advantage, but it is certainly a disadvantage in the country.


Mr. HARRISON:: If our railroad men are to be given an opportunity to exercise the franchise it is absolutely necessary that the polls should be opened at six o'clock.


Hugh Guthrie: They are looked after by another clause.


Charles Robert Harrison: Yes, but the advance polls do not give all our railroad men an opportunity to vote, because local trains at all terminal points leave at six-thirty and seven o'clock in the morning and the majority of those trains do not return until nine at night. By having the polls open at six o'clock our men going out on early trains would get an opportunity to vote.


Auguste Théophile Léger: I agree that the early opening of the polls gives the train men an opportunity to vote, but in our rural constituencies seven o'clock would be quite early enough and would give the electors ample opportunity to record their votes during the day, the total poll in such districts not being very heavy. The people throughout the country are not up at that time here provided, although a few of them may be. Some of them may be going away early in the morning, and of course this provision will give them a chance to vote. That is all right; I do not want anybody to be deprived of his vote. But at the same time, with the 250 votes which have to be polled in each subdivision, it would not be right to expect the people to get up and get to the polling booth at six o'clock in the morning.


Mr. HOCKEN:: I am at a loss to understand why there should be any objection to extending the hours for voting. If we were restricting the hours there would be some reasonable cause for protest, but surely it cannot be considered an objectionable thing that the polls should be open long enough to give every class of people an opportunity to vote. Even if it is only a small class that would find it impossible to vote if the polls were not open until seven o'clock, we should consider that class no matter how small it may be. In the
city where I live it was a great advantage in the last election to have the polls opened at six o'clock. From six to seven o'clock was a very busy hour. It gives a large number of people an opportunity of putting their ballot before they go to business, and they are not worried during the rest of the day as to whether they would be able to get away in order to cast their ballots. There are men in business who find it difficult, if not impossible, to get away at the noon hour and equally difficult to get away before the time for closing the poll. With this provision these people will get up a little earlier than usual and put their ballots in before they go down to business.
I cannot imagine why any one should object. unless it is the deputy returning officers; but as the Government and the country are paying them for their time and as we are putting that clause there to give every person a chance to cast his ballot at that early hour I think it should commend itself to the good judgment of the committee.


William Henry White: I cannot answer the contention of the hon. member for Toronto (Mr. Hocken) without introducing a very disagreeable subject. I know that in the last election a great many people polled their votes in both urban and rural polling subdivisions. They voted in the city and then went out into country places and voted again. I submitted a number oi affidavits when we were discussing the Franchise Act last year showing that that kind of thing was done. It is possible for people to get around all over the country when the time is unlimited. Gave them eight or ten hours in these days of automobiles and they can travel through three or four divisions


Mr. QOPP:: I personally have no objection to my hon. friend (Mr. Guthrie) giving consideration to the question of having the poll open for twelve hours if necessary. From my experience in carrying on elections I do not think it is necessary. If I understand my hon. friend aright an election would be void if the poll was not opened at six o'clock in the morning. If that is correct I can assure my hon. friend that there will be many places in the country where the election will be void for that reason. In many places the polls will not be opened at six o'clock in the morning. You cannot get men to go for long distances to man the polls in the rural districts at that hour of the morning. In cities, I quite agree, it is all right. In the last election in some of the sections of my constituency the

polls were opened at six o'clock in the morning; but when I visited a certain poll there was no person there; there was no returning officer to open the poll at six o'clock or for some time afterwards. That was true also of many other localities throughout the country. It would be an impossibility for men to open the polls and to get them ready for the reception of electors at six o'clock in the morning. If the election were held in October or November it would be dark and you would have to have the place supplied with half a dozen lamps in order to make it possible to carry on the work. Therefore, I submit that in rural sections it is an impossibility. If it is made optional and the election is not void if the poll is not open at six o'clock I have no objection, but if the election is to be declared void if the poll is not open at six o'clock there will be many elections voided in the rural constituencies.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would like to ask the minister if the point he has raised is not covered by section 100 which advances the poll for railway employees and others.


Hugh Guthrie: Some are provided for.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: As I read the clause it covers the point which has been raised by the hon. gentleman. In cities the lists are final. It is known before a man goes in to vote whether the man's name is on the list and he is not entitled to vote unless his name is on the list. But in the way this Act is drawn in so far as rural districts are concerned any man who is prepared to swear that he has a right to vote is permitted to cast his ballot. As I read these two sections together it does seem to me that they are going to open the door to very serious mischief in the way in which elections may be carried on in rural districts. If you open the poll at six o'clock in the morning when it is dark, if the election is held, as is customary in the fall or winter any man can go to the poll early in the morning, swear that he has a right to vote, take his ballot, put it in the ballot box and leave the poll. That is the effect of the law as drawn at the present time. If there is anything in what the hon. member for West Toronto (Mr. Hocken) says, that we should extend the time for voting, let us have it from eight in the morning to eight at night, if need be, rather from six in the morning until six at night. I do not think there is any necessity for keeping the polls open from eight in the morning until eight at night in the rural districts, but certainly as the lawr stands at the present time, all

a man has to do to cast a vote is to swear that he has a right to vote, put his vote in the ballot box and go away, consequently this is a thoroughly wrong provision and ought not to be adopted.


Horatio Clarence Hocken: The first objection to
keeping the poll open from eight in the morning till eight at night is that the people expect to get the returns. Besides, in order to cast their ballot at night, a large number, especially in the city which I represent, would abstain from voting until after they had their dinners, and at the last hour there would be such a congestion at the polls that it would be impossible for the returning officers to take the vote. You can easily understand that this condition would arise in a constituency such as I represent, which is a mile square and has 25,000 voters. It would be very much better to take from six to six than from eight to eight.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I do not press the point of changing from six to six to eight to eight. I think that as far as the rural districts are concerned if the poll were opened from eight to six it would be satisfactory to the people. But this clause read with clause 100, which I think will cause a great deal of discussion, gives to any man the right to cast his ballot in a rural district before daybreak if he swears that he has the right to vote at any particular poll. With a provision like that and a provision that the polls in the rural districts are to open at six o'clock in the morning, it is only inviting a kind of fraud which will be very detrimental. Unless the minister can give some very substantial reasons why the polls are being opened at six o'clock in the morning, we are entitled to believe that these two sections have some relation to each other.


Mr. MARCTL:: There is another reason that should not be forgotten. It is very important that scrutineers should attend the voting, and it is difficult to get a man in the country to turn out of his home at four o'clock in the morning and have him drive some miles down to the poll to supervise this work. I have been electioneering for a long time; I was a deputy returning officer in 1878, forty-two years ago, and I have never heard, a request from any rural part of Quebec that the polls should be opened earlier than nine o'clock in the morning or that they should be kept open later than five o'clock in the afternoon. At five o'clock in the afternoon in the rural

part of the country the votes are invariably all cast; in fact, by four o'clock in the afternoon, everybody has voted, and nobody thinks of going to the polls before nine o'clock in the morning; so that as regards the rural constituencies, I can see no reason why there should be any change in the old hours that have been in force ever since Confederation. In the cities, the case is different. Although you give the working man two hours in which to cast his vote, there is something to be said in favour of an early poll. But I would not extend the time in the evening. Our experience in the city of Montreal when we had early closing apply to all kinds of business was that people did their business in the daytime instead of doing it at night. The early closing rule is universal in Montreal for everything, and people do not want to wait until the last hour to go to vote. They will vote in the daytime if they know that the poll closes at five o'clock in the afternoon. You should open the city poll at six o'clock in the morning, but you should leave the hours for the rural poll as they are now, namely, nine o'clock in the morning and five o'clock in the afternoon.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: Clause 56 reads:
At the hour fixed for opening the poll the deputy returning officer and the poll clerk shall, in the presence of their candidates, their agents, and such of the electors as are present, open the ballot box and ascertain that there are no ballot papers or other papers therein, after which the box shall be locked, and the deputy returning officer shall keep the key thereof.
If the poll were to open at six o'clock in the morning, nobody but the deputy returning officer and the poll clerk might be present; the candidates or their agents might not be present. Would the deputy returning officer go ahead and accept ballots without first showing the candidates or their agents that the ballot box was empty? If he were allowed to do so, would not that be giving an opportunity for wrong-doing? It is the right of the candidates to see that the ballot box is empty before ballots are put into it. If they do not see that it is empty and the deputy returning officer is allowed to accept ballots, would that be legal?-because the clause states that a deputy returning officer shall show the candidates or their agents that the ballot box is empty.
Mr. GUTHIRI'E: I do not think I need answer that very fully; but if the duty is cast on the deputy returning officer to show the candidates or their agents that the box is empty, and the candidates take so little
interest as not to be present themselves nor to have their agents present, in my judgment, the deputy returning officer would be justified by law in proceeding with the election. The other people might not turn up all day. The action of the deputy returning officer in that case would be quite legal.


Mr. COPP:: What would the minister say in regard to the election being void?


Hugh Guthrie: That is another question.


Mr. HENDERS:: In the cities great good will be accomplished by having the polls open at six o'clock in the morning. At the last election in the city of Winnipeg, the hour from six to seven o'clock in the morning was the most active hour of the whole day in some of the city polls. Men polled their vote on their way to work. Men who were going away on the trains at seven o'clock in the morning polled their vote, went to the train and attended to their business. If it is essential to arrange matters so that the rural polls may be opened at a later hour, it would serve every purpose to do so.


Charles Gavan Power: My experience in the last election was that between six and seven thirty o'clock in the morning very few votes were polled; as a matter of fact, the returning officers and the clerks had an excellent opportunity to put in an hour's sleep which they had lost. It is rather refreshing for city dwellers to hear our bucolic friends insisting on a later opening of the polls. We have heard a great deal in the last few years about daylight saving, our friends telling us that the farmer gets up with the lark in November as well as at any other time. It is rather refreshing for us who come from the cities to know that they share in our bad habits and sometimes sleep in a little in the morning. If the polls in the rural constituencies are allowed not to open until eight o'clock, it is reasonable that the same rule should apply in the cities. In the cities, any complaints that I have' heard recently have been on the part of those whose duties, either political or semi-judicial, oblige them to be at the polls at six o'clock in the morning. Dozens of people, when they heard that a new Franchise Act was being framed, asked me to protest against opening the polls at such an early hour. As the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) has said, the spirit works least well in the early hours of the morning, and an unwary returning officer and innocent candidates and their agents are more likely to be trapped by

wily opponents than at any other hour. Besides that, it is really a nuisance to have to get up so early in the morning.


Hugh Guthrie: Perhaps I might suggest a compromise. I see the force of what has been said in regard to rural polls particularly. Not that I fear any wrongdoing such as the leader of the Opposition fears will take place, especially in the early hours of the morning, hut as a matter of general convenience, my suggestion would be that the clause should read that the poll shall be open from six o'clock in the morning until six o'clock in the afternoon as regards urban divisions and that the hours for rural divisions he eight o'clock in the morning until six o'clock in the afternoon.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Hear, hear.


Charles Gavan Power: The farmers win again.


Hugh Guthrie: These late risers all applaud that. I therefore move to amend suibclause (6) of clause 55 by inserting after the word "day" in line 20 on page 39, the words "in urban polling divisions, and be opened at the hour of eight of the clock in the forenoon and kept open until six of the clock in the afternoon in rural polling divisions".


Mr. MORPHY:: I think the minister is making a mistake in yielding to what appears to be a certain amount of sentiment in regard to rural polls. In large cities like Toronto and Hamilton, there are hundreds of people who live outside of the city limits, who are not in the municipality-there are thousands of such people throughout the country-and the bulk of those people of whom I speak, men and women, boys and girls, entitled to the franchise, work in the cities. Many men and women have to go several miles to their work and be there at seven or eight in the morning. They cannot vote before leaving home in the morning because the poll will not be open. They are engaged in the city all day, and if the poll closes at six o'clock they cannot get out home in time to vote. It will be a great inconvenience to that section of the public who live in rural divisions adjoining a city. While I quite agree that the minister's amendment is faiT and reasonable as regards purely rural polls,
I am certain that if the amendment is carried many thousands of voters will be absolutely disfranchised, and the law never did recognize that franchise Acts were made to disfranchise voters.
With regard to the statement of the leader of the Opposition about a man rushing in

at lamplight in the morning to commit perjury, I do not think that should be assumed. The crime of perjury is a very serious one, and if a man is so brazen as to commit perjury for the sake of voting he will do it as readily at nine or ten or eleven o'clock as at six in the morning. I think the vigilance with which the polls are manned is quite sufficient protection against evil practices of that kind. If the minister wishes to extend the franchise to the greatest number of people-and that ought to be the policy-I think he is making a mistake in yielding good-naturedly to pressure from those who live in purely rural municipalities. I think there should be some saving clause to protect those who otherwise are going to be absolutely cut off from their vote through living in rural municipalities and working in an adjoining city.


James McCrie Douglas: I wish to support the minister in changing the hours in the rural ridings to eight in the -morning. My hon. friend (Mr. Morphy) has argued that the Act should be framed to do the greatest good to the greatest number, and if that is the policy he supports he should support the minister's amendment, because there are only two or three of these urban divisions near to large cities that would be affected in the way he points out. In the province of Alberta there are two sets of polling hours, one for the urban and the other for the rural centres. The hours for the urban centres are fom six to six, and for the rural from nine to five. That has worked out very well, and there has been no trouble whatever. I remember, in the election of 1917, visiting a city poll somewhere around six in the morning, and I discovered that the returning officer had not provided a lamp. It was dark and there was a void of that poll, strictly speaking, because you could not see your hand in front of your face. There is a certain amount of red tape in connection with all these appointments, and before you could get a lamp you had to hunt up the returning officer and get the necessary authority. That poll was in total darkness for nearly two hours.


Charles Gavan Power: The hon. member's party has refused to shed any light on that election ever since.


James McCrie Douglas: As my hon._ friend (Mr. Copp) says, if a poll were void from the fact that the deputy returning officer and his clerk were not there, fifty per cent of the polls in every rural district would be voided. Now that patron-

age has been taken out of the hands of members of Parliament, it will be difficult to get even people who are paid to work at a poll from now on, and I think that the less obstacles we throw in the way of having the polls properly manned, the better. I support the minister's amendment.


Jean-Joseph Denis: I think there is a very direct and proper answer to the question raised by my hon. friend (Mr. Morphy), who contends that those who live in rural centres but who work in cities will be deprived of their votes by not being able to get back before the polls are closed. I think section 100 has been drafted to meet cases of that kind. It provides that all those who will be absent on polling day during polling hours, which means all those who are absent from their usual place of residence, may vote at an Advance Poll. Those who have reason to believe that "because of necessary absence from such place of residence in the pursuit of his employment or calling" they may not be able to vote on polling day, may so vote in advance. Therefore, I submit, that these people will not be prejudiced at all by the amendment, because they will have three days before polling day within which to vote.


Hugh Guthrie: The only difficulty is that there are not likely to be any Advance Polls in very small places, but only in large centres of population. People who work in Toronto and live at Oakville or Leaside would all be able to vote, because these are all urban divisions and under the terms of this Act, the polls would open at six in these places.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: That is not the class I refer to, but the people outside in the township who have gone out there and built a little home.


Hugh Guthrie: I recognize that there
is a class who live in localities that are purely rural, to whom this provision would certainly be an inconvenience and perhaps a hardship; but on the other hand I believe that the balance of convenience is in favour of not opening the polls in the rural districts too early. I am inclined to think there would be very great difficulty in manning the polls in the more or less remote country districts at six in the morning. That was my reason for suggesting a change in this section. Howe\er, it is for the committee to say.


Edmond Proulx: In the past, the hours from nine to five were entirely satisfactory in the rural constituencies, but now that
women are enfranchised there will be a larger number of voters and I approve of the minister's amendment to have the polls open from eight to six. That will give ample time for the rural vote to be polled.
I think eight o'clock is certainly early enough for the rural divisions.


Horatio Clarence Hocken: I want to emphasize the point made by my hon. friend (Mt. Morphy). We have people working in the city of Toronto who live in the counties of Halton, Peel, North York, West York and East York. With' the exception, perhaps, of East York, I presume all these would be classed as rural constituencies, and yet we have a trainload of people coming in to work, from Oakville in the county of Halton, and others from the county of Peel. They have to catch an early train to go to their work and cannot get home to cast their vote, if the polls close at six o'clock.


Hugh Guthrie: How did they do it in the last election when the polls were open from nine to five?


Horatio Clarence Hocken: Well, I guess they did not vote, and my hon. friend from Peel (Mr. Charters) probably did not get as large a majority as he might have received. If you want every person to get an opportunity to vote you must class as urban some constituencies that might ordinarily be considered rural. The commuters' train runs from Oakville to Toronto, a distance of twenty miles, and the Streetsville train also runs into Toronto; and people from every direction in these rural constituencies would not have a chance to vote unless they took special time off for that purpose


Hugh Guthrie: The proposal now is so much in advance of what it was before that we are conferring a great measure of convenience upon these very people described by the hon. gentleman. At the last election these people who lived in rural districts must have voted between the hours of nine and five, whereas this proposal, making the hours eight to six, gives them an advantage of two hours at any rate. A trainload of people from Oakville, under this proposal, can vote from six o'clock, and so can those people from Weston and Brampton. It is the voter who lives, not in the organized village but in the township that will be inconvenienced. There are not a great many of this class of electors, but there are some that I am aware of. This Act gives the people from Oakville and those places at least two hours more than any law hereto-

fore passed, and I honestly believe that the difficulty in the country would be serious if the polls were opened at six o'clock.


Mr. DAVIS:: I wish to support the proposed amendment of the minister. In most rural districts you will not find very many voters at the polls before at least ten o'clock in the morning, because there are chores to do on the farm in the winter time and children to be got to school, besides various other household duties. You will not, therefore, give men a proper opportunity to vote in those constituencies if you open the polls at six o'clock in the morning. I think that eight o'clock is early enough.


Mr. McISAAC:: Where does the minister draw the line between rural and urban constituencies? What population does he consider necessary to constitute an urban constituency?


Hugh Guthrie: That is defined at pages 2 and 3 of the Bill. An urban or city poll is defined as a polling division which is wholly or partly contained within
9 p.m. places having a population of more than one thousand persons and which places are, under the provincial laws, cities, towns or incorporated villages. A rural polling division is one whereof no part is contained within a place having a population of more than one thousand persons and which place under the provincial law is a city, town or incorporated village.


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Amendment agreed to.
Louis Édouard Fernand Rinfret: Subsection 6 provides that the poll shall be opened at the hour of six in the forenoon. At present we have two standards of time, and when it is six o'clock in Montreal and Ottawa it may be only five o'clock in Casselman or Vars. The elections might take place in summer and there might be a confusion as to the opening of polls. Moreover, some counties embrace part of a city as well as the country. Does this clause mean that standard time shall apply in all cases, or daylight saying time wherever it is adopted?
Mr, .GUTHRIE:	The hours of the day
when mentioned in this Act shall be calculated upon standard time. That comes under section 2 of the Bill which we have not yet discussed.
Section, as amended, agreed to.
On section 63-name not on list:


Hugh Guthrie: I have forgotten what
amendments were made to this section.


Georges Henri Boivin: Section 63 was read
and discussed but not amended.


Hugh Guthrie: I have one or two verbal amendments to offer. In line 30 after the word1 " make," there should be inserted the word " and " so that it will read " as the deputy returning officer directs him to make, and as is required by any provision of this Act."


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Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: In line 22 subsection (2) reads " set forth in Form Z to schedule I of this Act." It should read " set forth in forms Y or Z, or either of them," etc. I move that the subsection be so amended.


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Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: I move that subsection 3 be struck out. It is practically a repetition of subsection (1) of section 57 which reads:
Except as otherwise provided in this Act every person shall he entitled to vote whose name appears on a voters' list prepared under this Act. He may vote at the polling station ol the polling division upon the list of voters for which his name so appears and at no other. (Secs. 143, 65, and 148.)


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Amendment agreed to.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: With regard to the section itself may I direct the minister's attention to the fact that it is pretty closely related to the section in regard to the preparation of the lists which iwas allowed to stand? I think the present section, next to the other section referred to, is the most contentious of any in the Bill, and piobably the minister will be agreeable to not going on with it for the present.


Hugh Guthrie: I have no objection to it standing.
Section stands.


Georges Henri Boivin: The next section is section 76.


Hugh Guthrie: May I ask, Mr. Chairman, that you return to page 48 of the Bill? You have an amendment, have you not, to subsection 6 of section 66?


Georges Henri Boivin: No. Not to subsection
6.


Hugh Guthrie: There is an important amendment suggested by the Auditor General.


Georges Henri Boivin: Mr. Guthrie moves that by unanimous consent the committee return to consideration of clause 66.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: The Auditor General suggests that this section be inserted in subsection 6, on page 48, after the word, "ballot-box," in line 39:
-he shall also fill in the blank expense voucher furnished to him by the returning officer, cause it to be "signed by the various officials of his polling station entitled to fees, certify the same, and place it in a special envelope furnished for that purpose and deposit the same in the ballot-box.
The meaning of that is that at the close of the poll a statement shall be made out and signed by each official setting forth the fees which he claims or is entitled to, and that shall be enclosed in a special envelope and deposited in the ballot-box. It is for the purpose of auditing the account after the election. I told the Auditor General that I did not see any objection to the insertion of that clause and he asked that it be put in. If that amendment is adopted a consequential amendment will be necessary in the first line of subsection 7. That is that after the word "ballot-box" the following words shall (be inserted:
-together with the two envelopes mentioned in the next preceding subsection.
Another amendment is required in line 16 of subsection 9 after the word "'ballot-box," the addition of the following words:
-and in the proper envelopes provided for that purpose.
If the committee is agreeable I move that these amendments be made to that section to carry out the suggestion of the Auditor General in that respect.


Mr. DECHENE:: I would point out that the result of the deputy returning officer not pdtting all the accounts in the box will be that officers on duty at the poll will lose their fees. The constable at the door may not turn in his account before leaving. Under subsection 9 he will lose his fees, through no fault of his own. In my opinion it is a very peculiar way of paying men who work for the deputy returning officer.


Hugh Guthrie: If I caught my hon. friend's point correctly I would say in reply to it that this clause is inserted for the purpose of insisting, as far as possible, that the returning officer shall enclose the statement referred to in the box. If he does not do so he is liable to penalties under this Act, and in addition to the general penalties provided, he forfeits his fees. I do not think there is anything improper in the provision, and I do not think any hardship is imposed. If he complies with the Act, and deposits the envelope as required, no question of loss of his fees can arise.	.


[Stage Direction]
Amendments agreed to.
Fred Langdon Davis: What provision is made for the cost of returning the ballot boxes? The common practice is for the returning officer to direct that the ballot boxes shall be taken to the nearest express office and expressed to him. For that service no provision is made in this section, as this is a subsequent expense, and apparently it is only to be dealt with as an estimate.


Hugh Guthrie: The next clause provides for the custody of the ballot boxes after the election. If the boxes are not required by the courts in connection with a re-count of the votes, it is provided:
After the close of the election the returning officer shall cause to be deposited In the custody of the sheriff of the county or district, or of the registrar of deeds in the county, or registration division, or of the postmaster in the locality, in which the nomination was held, the ballot boxes used at the election ; and the sheriff, registrar or postmaster shall, at the next ensuing election, deliver such ballot boxes to the returning officer named for such election.
The duty of the returning officer is clear enough, although the section does not say whether he is to deliver or express the ballot boxes to the sheriff or other official. When we come to the fees of the returning officer I think a proper fee might be inserted.


James McCrie Douglas: The point was not how those ballot boxes are to be sent into the returning officer, but the absence of any fee for returning them. If no fee is provided those boxes will not be returned.


Hugh Guthrie: There is an allowance for the return of boxes.


Mr. CALDER:: As a matter of fact that is always arranged between the returning officer and his deputies. Prior to the election he sends instructions to them as to the manner in which the ballot boxes are to be returned to him, and provision will be found in the schedule of fees to cover that work.


Fred Langdon Davis: Then is it contemplated that two accounts will be sent in by each returning officer? Because that is what this would involve. His first account will cover his expenses down to the return of the ballot box, and he will have to put in a supplementary account for that additional expense. '	.


Hugh Guthrie: He can put that expense in his first account.


Fred Langdon Davis: He has not incurred it, and therefore can only make an estimate of it.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think any difficulty will arise there.
Clause as amended agreed to.
On section 69-custody of ballot boxes after the election.


Hugh Guthrie: It has been suggested by the parliamentary counsel that after the words "ballot boxes" in the sixteenth line we add the words "and padlocks." I move that the section be so amended.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
On section 72-election return:
Hugh Guthrie: Since the section was
carried it has been further examined by the parliamentary counsel, and certain suggestions have been made by him which I think are essential to the proper working of the section. In the first place, it is suggested that the words "election papers" be used in this section to include: The ballot box, the ballots, and all other papers that are returned to the Chief Electoral Officer and which may be called for in case of a re-count; and that instead of enumerating them the term "election papers" be defined under the interpretation clause. In the second place, it is suggested that subsection 1 be amended by adding a clause as paragraph (d) in the following words:
The lists of voters furnished to him by the different rural registrars in compliance with the provisions of rule 5 of schedule B to section 32 of this Act.
Otherwise, the parliamentary counsel points out, he would not have these official lists in his possession. Then, it is suggested that the following be added as subsection 6:
The Chief Electoral Officer shall immediately after each general election cause to be printed a report giving by polling subdivisions the number of votes polled for each candidate, the number of rejected ballots, the number of names on the list of voters, together with any other information that he may deem fit to include. He shall also at the end of each year cause to be printed a similar report on the by-elections held during the year.
In the past, I understand, it has been customary to compile such reports after general elections. There is nothing in this Act, as originally drawn, to cover this, and in the opinion of the parliamentary counsel

it will be of value to have such a report after each general election, and an annual report on all by-elections. I therefore move, Mr. Chairman, that the section be amended as suggested.


[Stage Direction]
Amendments agreed to.
Mr. J. H. SINCLAIR:: This provision in the new paragraph (d) seems to apply only to rural lists. I presume there is a clause that requires a- return of the urban lists?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, section 32 provides for it. I beg to move to amend subsection 4 by replacing the word "ballot" in line 31 with the word "election".


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: If, in connection with that section, in rural polling subdivisions, any person upon taking the oath may cast a ballot, is there any provision for a return of the persons voting in that way?


Hugh Guthrie: The vote has to be
marked in the poll book.
On section 75 (reconsidered)-Chief Electoral Officer to retain papers', etc.:


Hugh Guthrie: I beg to move that in line 21 the word "papers" be struck out and the words "election papers" be inserted; that in line 26 the words "ballot papers" should be struck out and the words "election papers" inserted; that in line 33 the word "ballot" should be struck out and "election" put in; in line 35 the word "ballot" should be struck out and the word "election" inserted; and that in line 39 the word "ballot" should be struck out and the word "election" inserted.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: Is there any definition of the term "election papers"? I think it is a very wide expression.


Hugh Guthrie: We will have to provide a definition for it, but we have not reached the clause yet. The amendment I shall propose is:
" Election papers " means all ballot papers, including those unused, poll books, lists of voters, and such statements used at the polling station, and all other documents signed by any returning officer or Chief Electoral Officer in com-plianc yith this Act or under instructions issued by the said Chief Electoral Officer.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: Section 75, subsection 2, says:
No person shall be allowed to inspect any election paper in the custody of the Chief Electoral Officer except under the rule or order of a Superior Court or judge.

And so on. "Election papers'' includes lists, does it not? Does that mean that anybody shall be allowed to inspect the lists?


Hugh Guthrie: You would not be allowed to inspect any documents in the possession of the Chief Electoral Officer without the order of a judge. You will have your own lists to inspect in your own riding. These are the official lists sent down for the purpose of safe custody after the election and kept here at headquarters.
Section as amended agreed to.
On section 77-how disagreements as to taxation of expenses settled:


Georges Henri Boivin: The Acting Solicitor General has proposed an amendment to this clause, to strike out all the words after the words "Auditor General" in the first line and to replace them with the following:
-shall, in accordance with this Act, tax and pay all election expense accounts. Any disagreement between the Auditor General and any claimant shall be referred to the Chief Electoral Officer and he shall either confirm the action of the Auditor General or if he disagrees then, if the question involves only the legal right of the person claiming payment to be paid at all, it shall be referred to and be finally resolved by the Treasury Board ; or if the question involves only the fairness of the amount payable to any person with relation to services or materials supplied, it shall be referred to and shall be finally resolved by the Secretary of State. Notwithstanding anything in this section contained the rights, if any, of all claimants to compel payment, or further payment, by process of law shall remain unimpaired.


Mr. FIELDING:: I suggested at an earlier stage of the discussion that this would seem to assign a class of duties to the Auditor General at variance with what the Audit Act contemplated. Has my hon. friend considered that point?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, to some extent.


William Stevens Fielding: Does he not propose to make any change in that respect?


Hugh Guthrie: I have given consideration to the matter and I find that the custom [DOT] for a great many years has been to permit the Auditor General to audit these accounts. I had thought that the matter was more properly one for the Department of the Secretary of State. The Auditor General, however, handed me copies of some corres-pondance which took place at the time my hon. friend (Mr. Fielding) was Minister of Finance; the question came pretty fairly up for decision then; the accounts were referred, at the suggestion of my hon. friend, to the Department of the Secretary of State; but that department would have nothing to
do with the accounts and said that they had no competent staff to audit them and that they should be referred back to the Auditor General. So the matter was settled and the Auditor General undertook to audit the accounts. The Auditor General has all the machinery in his Department for auditing; he has greater facilities for auditing the Recounts than any other department, and probably he can expedite matters more than any other department could. Moreover, he is, perhaps, a more independent officer than any we have in other departments. There is every good reason why the Auditor General should continue to audit the accounts in the future as he has done in the past.


William Stevens Fielding: My hon. friend has
misconceived the point, if there was a point, in my observations. I do not object to the Auditor General auditing the accounts. In a sence, all accounts are, at one stage or another, audited by the Auditor General. My idea was precisely that the Auditor General should deal with these accounts as he does with other accounts. It struck me that there was a mixing up with the authority of the Auditor General, that of the Chief Electoral Officer and that of the Secretary of State. It might be better if the Auditor General were to audit these accounts under the general terms of the Audit Act.


Hugh Guthrie: The amendment as drawn is one prepared jointly by the Chief Electoral Officer and the Auditor General, and I thought it met the case very well.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I think the amendment as drawn meets part of the objection raised by my hon. friend. It takes out the provision that the Chief Electoral Officer shall pass on the accounts. There is a reference to the Secretary of State's right to pass finally on some matters.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
On section 78-election expenses:
Charles Marcil: Is there any change in
this clause from the corresponding clause of the old Act?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, we went over this subclause by subclause. None of the sections are new, that is, as having been drawn for the purpose of this Bill; everyone of them was either in our former Act or in English Act.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: One of the
points under consideration in connection with this clause was in reference to para-

graph (b) of subclause 3. Subclause 3 provides that no payment is to be made except through the official agent. By paragraph (b) it is provided that this subclause shall not be deemed to apply to payment-
-by any person, out of his own money, for any small expense legally incurred by him, if no part of the sum so paid is repaid to him.
I think it was mentioned that the effect of that paragraph was practically to allow a candidate to make any payments he liked as long as he made them in small amounts, and that, the effect of the exception was to do away with the main object of the whole subclause, namely, that the agent should be a sort of accounting officer for the expenses of the candidate.


Hugh Guthrie: Personally, I cannot see any objection to this subclause; it is not new. It is from both the English Act and our Act-section 237 of our Act.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The other
point raised was whether $500 was enough for a candidate to be allowed to spend.


Hugh Guthrie: I remember that point. It was suggested that $500 was not enough for a candidate to be allowed to spend. The present clause is a limitation which does not appear to have been in the old Act.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If there is
any way of defining what is meant by "small expenses," there could possibly, be no objection to subclause 3 as it stands; but the purpose of subclause 3 is to prevent a candidate from making any payment of any considerable amount excepting through his agent, and the effect of paragraph (b) is that if a candidate makes the payments in small amounts out of his own pocket, that is all right.


Hugh Guthrie: No, paragraph (b) does not refer to the candidate; it says "by any person"; paragraph (a) refers to the candidate. I can understand that somebody travelling with a candidate may pay out a small amount for livery hire or something of that kind, and as long as that money is not to be repaid to him, it need not be accounted for.


Levi Thomson: At present, we
have no provision for publicity if any funds supplied except for candidates. Is there to be no provision with respect to the publishing of campaign funds for parties or groups of candidates? I think every one will agree with me that ithe present provision does not cover over twenty-five per cent of the money raised from time to time for such purposes. During the elec-

tion campaign of 1911 I think millions of dollars were spent by the manufacturers and big interests of Canada in advertising in newspapers. I have seen full-page advertisements in paper after paper all over Canada. These expenses were not included in the election expenses of any candidate, although I dare say there was more money spent in that way in the election of 1911 than in the published election expenses of all candidates. Does the minister intend to provide against the real and great danger which he apparently is trying to meet in this section?


Hugh Guthrie: I think the Bill provides for it very well indeed.
(Mr. L. THOMSON: Where?


Hugh Guthrie: All expenses have to be set out and all contributions have to be made public. This matter was discussed on clause 12 when my hon. friend (Mr. Mc-Master) moved an amendment. His amendment proposed, if I recollect aright, that the details of all election contributions should be made public, and I pointed out at the time that section 79 made express provision for that. It provides that all payments by the candidate shall be published, that all payments made by his official agent shall be published, as well as the amount of personal expenses, if any, paid by the candidate; all disputed claims, so far as the official agent is aware; all unpaid claims, 'if any; and all money, Jaeourities and equivalent of money received or promised, and the like. Then by subsection (5) :
The returning: officer, within ten days after he receives from the official agent any return or supplementary return respecting election expenses, shall publish at the expense of the candidate a summary thereof with the signature of the official agent thereto in one and the same newspaper published or circulated in the electoral district wherein the election was held.
The following subsection provides that all such returns shall be preserved, and that after siix months they may be destroyed or returned to the candidate. Then, a penalty is provided for any member who sits in contravention of this section without an authorized excuse. So, I think the provision is rather ample in that respect. I know it is customary to cry out-and I see it in the press from time to time: Why don't you compel the publication of moneys contributed for elections? Well, I do not know any way of compelling that except the way adopted in this Bill. The duty is imposed upon the candidate and upon the election officials actually to publish these things and heavy penalties are imposed for any one

who seeks to evade that duty. Now if there is any better means-I do not mean any means that simply suggest themselves to a man's imagination-let us know it. I certainly think this is better than the plan proposed by my hon. friend (Mr. McMas-ter) the other night. I know that in the United States, where they recognize political parties in their legislation they say that the Republican managers shall publish this, and the Democratic managers shall publish such-and-such a thing. Here we do not recognize in our legislation the Unionist party, the Liberal party, the Farmers' party, the National Democratic party, or any other party. How, then, could you compel such unofficial organizations or associations to make public the contributions they have received? It comes down to the individual, and the individual is the candidate. If the candidate makes that statement, and it is certified to and properly audited, what more publicity could any one want? I know you can satisfy a popular cry in this country by talking about the millions that this party and the other party gets. There is more or less of a joke to that when it comes down to election time. We know how every candidate is pretty hard pressed for his own election expenses, and my own experience is that the newspapers well reveal the cost of elections in this country. If in the West contributions are pouring in at election time, let my hon. friends make them public. They are bound to do so under this law. I have run in a good many elections for this House, and I have given my experience.
iMr. L. THOMSON: But this section only provides for publicity with regard to the monies that pass through the hands of the candidate and his agent. There are other election expenses which do not pass through their hands, and which my hon. friend know are not all right.


Hugh Guthrie: What are they?


Levi Thomson: During the campaign of 1911, the Regina Leader, for instance, which was in favour of reciprocity, published, and said it was paid for publishing, page after page of advertisements against reciprocity. That did not appear in the election expenses of the candidate. The paper was circulated in my constituency, but this item of expense certainly did not appear in the election expenses of my opponent. These are the big expenses, and they are not covered at all by this section.


Hugh Guthrie: I remember cases of that kind, and I remember what damage 123
they did me. The Toronto Globe in the 1911 election accepted page advertisements from the Davies Company condemning reciprocity, which it was supporting, and which I was supporting in my riding. The Davies Company paid for these advertisements. Were they not entitled to give publicity to their views? I took issue with the Toronto Globe for publishing them, and they said "Cannot the Davies Company pay to circulate their views just as you go around the country circulating your views?" Where are you to draw the line? The Davies Company issued pamphlets and circulated them. They paid for this publicity. Should that be a breach of the law? I submit that it should not be. Anyone has the right to hire the press and - issue advertisements giving publicity to his own views. Do you call that the election expenses of a party, or of candidate, or of anybody? I do not. I may say that I objected to it very strongly at the time, and I would yet, but I do not see any principle upon which those contributions should be made public. They might just as well say to my hon. friend: If we cannot advertise at our expense in a newspaper, you cannot hire a hall at your expense and make a speech, or get others to do it for you. The advertisement itself is the publicity. We know it is being paid for, it carries that evidence on its face because we know that papers opposed politically to the advertiser would not publish his advertisement unless they were paid for it and paid, probably, good round sums.


Levi Thomson: Why should they not be made to show what was paid for these advertisements? I have to make public what I spend on advertisements. Why make an exception in the case of the big interests? The minister said we do not recognize parties here, therefore, we cannot deal with them. Why don't we recognize them? Why don't we give them recognition and bring them within this law? I am convinced that the public is right in thinking that the biggest injury is done by contributions made to party funds, and I believe that these amounts should be made public.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: My hon. friend says we do not recognize political parties in Canada.


Hugh Guthrie: In our legislation.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: Does not this Act provide that any political party must be incorporated for political purposes before they can contribute or spend money at elections as a party? So they must be re-



cognized as parties. I do not see, therefore, why the minister could not hold them accountable for the money they spend as a party.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Is there anything in the Act which requires an advertisement in relation to an election to bear on its face the fact that it is an advertisement and also information as to who inserted it?


Hugh Guthrie: There is none.


Auguste Théophile Léger: Suppose there is no newspaper published in the county in which a candidate runs, where will he publish a statement of his expenses?


Hugh Guthrie: It is published in the
adjoining county if there is no paper pub- -lished in the electoral district.


John Flaws Reid: In regard to the question of contributions to political funds, it seems to me that the minister has left the door wide open to the big interests.


Georges Henri Boivin: Order. The hon. member is not in order in discussing under section 78 the question of contributions to political parties. That question was discussed the other evening under section 12, and it is also involved in section 79 which has been passed by this committee; and only with the unanimous consent of the committee to reopen clause 79 would the hon. member he in order in continuing that discussion.


John Flaws Reid: If I am out of order, Mr. Chairman, I desire of course to be so informed. But if my hearing was accurate,
I was under the impression that we were discussing campaign funds a few minutes ago.


Georges Henri Boivin: An hon. member introduced the discussion, but I thought that he intended to make only a passing reference. I did not anticipate that he would open the subject for general discussion and I allowed his remarks. I must now rule, however, that those remarks were not in order.
. Mr. MARCIL:	Following up the question of advertising, I see you require a statement from the candidate or his agents; but do you require a statement also from any outsider who might pay for subscriptions to newspapers which are sent to a number of voters in a constituency, as was done in 1911 when Le Devoir of Montreal was paid for by hundreds of copies and sent to various parts of the province where it would

be most effective? Will any statemeent he required henceforth in connection with cases of that kind?


Hugh Guthrie: There is nothing in the Act to cover that point, so far as I know.


Charles Marcil: If some outsider paid for 200 subscriptions, say, to have certain newspapers sent to voters, does the minister not think it wise to require that that man shall make a statement in regard to the matter? It is so much less money that the candidate has to spend.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think it has been sought to fix such a limitation in any British country. If I wanted to send five hundred copies of the Toronto
10 p.m. Globe for two or three months to certain persons and to pay for those subscriptions myself I would have a perfect right to do so.


Charles Marcil: Sending them to individual voters?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, and I see no harm in such a thing.


Charles Marcil: It is part of the campaign.


Hugh Guthrie: It is; and if the -candidate or his agents did it a statement would have to be published.


Charles Marcil: But if the candidate gets his friend to do it he still violates the law.


Hugh Guthrie: Then the candidate
would have to go around the corner pretty well, because he has to give a certificate to show that he does not procure any unauthorized person to do these things.


Mr. CAHILL:: Subsection (13) provides that personal expenses must he paid by the agent if they amount to more than $500. Would it not be wise to fix a limit of $1,000? There are constituencies where it would be impossible for a candidate to cover the ground if his personal expenses were limited to $500.


Hugh Guthrie: I cannot add to the discussion we had the other night, which was lengthy. Up to $500 the candidate may himself pay his personal expenses; over $500 he must pay them through his agent. The reason is an excellent one: it is to prevent candidates going around and paying abnormal fees to various men nominally for services rendered but really to influence their votes. The object of the provision is to take away the personal touch as between the candidate and the voter. I think it is a salutary provision.	.


Frank S. Cahill: It would take |500 in railway fares to cover my constituency twice during the campaign-


Hugh Guthrie: Not at the next election.


Frank S. Cahill: -and I do not see how you can have an agent look after expenses of that kind. As regards the suggestion with reference to paying exorbitant sums, the candidate will have to swear to a statement showing the amount of his expenses, and that statement will have to show what the various sums were paid for. In large- constituencies where you cannot cover the ground with four or five hundred dollars, I think this will work a hardship on many candidates.


Hugh Guthrie: I could suggest a way out of that difficulty. I can understand that a man who is not a member of the House may have a heavy bill for railway fares at the next election. Any man who is a member at the time of the next election will not be bothered in that way, but in a constituency where a candidate must necessarily spend five or six or seven hundred dollars for railway expenses, all he has to do to avoid difficulties is to ask his agent to buy him a four- or five-thousand mile ticket as the case may be. There is no real inconvenience or difficulty. It is only in a few constituencies that such a thing can happen, and the difficulty can be removed if candidates will adopt the plan I have suggested.


[Stage Direction]
Section agreed to.
On section 100-advance polls for railway employees and others;
William Lyon Mackenzie King: In view of the fact that this section is of considerable length, I move that we consider it subsection by subsection.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.
On subsection (1)-advance voting by railway employees, sailors, etc.:
Mr. DUFF:: When we were considering
this clause a few days ago I objected to it on the ground that it was class legislation. It is going to give certain people a chance to vote and other people will not be able to vote. I therefore say, Mr. Chairman, that it is class legislation, and in the interest of every voter in Canada the clause should be struck out.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: There is one
feature of this subsection to which the attention of the committee should be drawn.
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As drafted it Teads: "Every railway employee, sailor, commercial traveller or other person," and so on. Well, "or other person"' includes "any other person." I think the classes who have the advantage of that advance poll ought to be specially named and cited in some way if this clause is to be permitted to stand. As drafted, it is pretty broad, and "any other person" may enjoy the advantage of an advance poll.


Hugh Guthrie: Read the words which follow later: "and whose employment and calling is such as to- necessitate from time to time his absence from his ordinary place of residence-


William Lyon Mackenzie King: How are you going to define that?


Hugh Guthrie: -and who has reason to believe that, because of necessary absence from such place of residence in the pursuit of his employment or calling:, he will be unable to vote on polling day, may vote in advance of polling day-
I will give my hon. friend a case in illustration : In the fall of the year the people up where I live go out as apple-pickers, and they are away two and three weeks at a time. Or I take the ease of lumbermen; they are away a considerable number of days at a time. There are people who cannot be described as commercial travellers, and who are not railway men, who are not sailors, but their duties do call them away for periods of time and they -have reason to expect they will be away at election time. Surely it is not unreasonable to permit them to make that statement. to the election officer and obtain a certificate to vote at an advance poll. Then, of course, the declaration which is required of them, or the oath they have to take, is a very full one. If you are going to limit this to any particular classes you are going to deprive some people of the privilege accorded to others. That is the only point.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: What supervision is there over the (polling at these advance polls?


Hugh Guthrie: The same supervision
as at any poll. The manner in which these polls are established is simply this: Several days before the election and at irregular hours-or later than the ordinary polls are held-these polls are kept open. A man who is going to be away-and knows it-on account of his business as a railway man, or a sailor or a commercial traveller can go to the returning officer and get a certificate from him that he is on the list. He takes

that certificate to one of these advance polls, where it is received and marked in the book, and he can vote. His vote is deposited in the ballot box, before a deputyreturning officer and scrutineers, just as is the case of an ordinary poll. Then when he obtains a certificate his name is marked from the list. But I can understand that some hardship might arise even from that, and a committee of rail-way men waited on me a few days ago and said that in the case of railway men sometimes their return was uncertain, and although they had obtained a certificate to enable them to vote at an advance poll they might not be able to vote while the advance poll was open, but might be able to be home on polling day and would find that their names had been marked off the voters' list. They asked as a concession that notwithstanding that, they should still be entitled to vote provided they still retained their certificates; they might still be permitted to go on polling day and present the certificates and vote notwithstanding that their names had been marked off when they applied for these certificates in the first instance. I see nothing unreasonable in that request, and when the time comes I propose to move an amendment to that effect. The whole conduct of the advance poll is precisely the same as that of a general poll except in respect of the length of time it is held open -I think it is for some three days.


Robert Lorne Richardson: Speaking of an
advance poll, has the Minister in mind any set period when that poll should be opened? Should it be opened a week ahead of the regular poll?


Hugh Guthrie: That is provided for in this section.


William Henry White: Do I understand the Minister to say that the ballots- will be placed loosely in the box, and left in the custody of the returning officer until the day of the election, say three or four days after?


Hugh Guthrie: Why, yes.


William Henry White: There may be a hundred lose ballots, and they are not placed in an envelope, and the returning officer will have charge of them. Does the Minister mean to say that in the case of a man voting at an advance poll and who marks his ballot and it is put in the box, the ballot will be left there loose in the box, and the returning, officer will have charge of the box until the election day, and that that ballot will be counted with the others?


Hugh Guthrie: Why, certainly.


William Henry White: And the ballots will not be sealed up, or any precaution of that kind adopted?


Hugh Guthrie: The ballots are to be sealed, certainly, and every scrutineer present can - see the box sealed up. I do not know whether it makes any difference that the ballot is left loose in the box or that it is tied up or covered with something. It certainly will be in the box loose, and the box will be sealed and will not be opened until the regular count is made.


William Henry White: And the returning officer will have charge of the box from the time of the advance poll until the election?


Hugh Guthrie: Certainly
. Mr. MACKENZIE KING: The point my hon. -friend has made is not whether the ballot box itself will be sealed but whether the ballot will be placed in an envelope to distinguish it from the others.


Hugh Guthrie: The ballot box will be sealed up, and the candidate or his agents may assist in the sealing, and may examine the seals to see that they have not been broken.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If a certain [DOT]class are to have the 6-pecial privilege of putting their ballots in the box three days ahead of the elections what objection is there to having tihe ballots placed in an envelope? It is an extra precaution. Is [DOT]there any objection to it?


Hugh Guthrie: Is it for the purpose of identification?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: My suggestion is for the purpose of identification, not of the voter but of the number of votes cast.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not see how. There is the poll book, there is the whole election machinery, and you would vote just as you would in an ordinary polling booth.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: May I explain to my hon. friend that three hundred men may vote at an advance poll-


Hugh Guthrie: Yes.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: -and there are five hundred votes afterwards in the same box.


Hugh Guthrie: No, no, not in the same box, that box is sealed uip. Every advance polling division has its own box. That box is used only for the purpose of the particular poll and for nothing else.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: What is the duration of the voting at an advance poll?


Hugh Guthrie: It is three days in all.


Georges Henri Boivin: I must point out to the committee that the leader of the Opposition submitted a motion which was adopted, that" this clause be considered subsection by subsection. We have not yet adopted subsection one and yet hon members are now considering subsection 15. If my hon. friend wishes to withdraw his motion, well and good. If not, it is my duty as Chairman to require hon. gentlemen to adhere to the subsection under consideration.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If the effect of the motion to consider the clause subsection by subsection will be to restrict discussion I certainly will withdraw it so that the whole section may be reviewed at once.


Georges Henri Boivin: Is it the pleasure of the committee that the hon. gentleman have leave to withdraw his motion?
Motion (Air. Mackenzie King) withdrawn.


Georges Henri Boivin: The entire section is now open for discussion.


Thomas Wakem Caldwell: How many electors
in a given polling subdivision would have to be absent to secure an advance poll, and what steps would they have to take to that end? At my election last fall a number of men who work in the woods were absent, some having left a week before the election, and in that way many of my electors did not have the privilege of voting.


Hugh Guthrie: The schedule to this Act sets out where the advance poll shall be. I may say that that schedule has to undergo a good deal of amendment, a great many places having been suggested since the schedule was first compiled, and when we take up this schedule if there are any other places to be included we will certainly add them. There is no limitation as to the number of persons necessary to secure an advance poll at any place, but if the vote falls below a certain number, at the next election there may be no advance poll at that place. Subsection 3 provides that the Chief Electoral Officer shall amend the schedule under the following circumstances:
(a)	If a total of less than fifty votes is polled a;t the advance polls held within any such place at the election which immediately preceded the amendment, he may strike off the name of that place; or,
(b)	If he is advised and believes that a total of fifty votes will be polled at any place
in case an advance poll is established there, he may add the name of that place.
If my.hon. friend has any point where he would like an advance poll established, we will be glad to give him one if there is good reason for it.


Frank S. Cahill: The minister states that
the boxes may be in the hands of the returning officer for two or three days for the purpose of the advance poll. Where will the unused ballots be at that time?


Hugh Guthrie: I suppose they will be
in the custody of the returning officer. Subsection 14 provides that:
At the dose of the poll each day, the deputy returning officer and every candidate or agent present who desires so to do shall affix their respective seals to the ballot box in such a manner that the box cannot be opened nor any ballots be deposited therein without breaking such seals.


Frank S. Cahill: Will they break the seals next morning?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes. The other ballots that have not been used will, I assume, be in the custody of the deputy returning officer.
Afr. DuTREMBLAY:	Why should not
those votes be counted on the same night as the election?


Hugh Guthrie: They are to be counted on the same night as the election, but they are not to be opened before the election. The idea is to maintain secrecy and to treat the advance poll for all purposes as it it had been a poll established on election day.


Mr. SEXSMITH:: We had a similar clause in operation in the last provincial election, and in my riding it worked very satisfactorily and there were no complaints from any one. The railway men found it of great advantage-in fact, I believe that these advance polls were in the Ontario Act confined solely to railway men. The poll was opened a week prior to the election exactly as any other poll, with a deputy returning officer, poll clerks, and candidates' agents in attendance. Any railway men who had reason to believe that they would be away on election day took advantage of these advance polls, and the ballot box was sealed at night, as the hon. minister has pointed out, opened again on the following day, and re-sealed at night, and the votes were counted on the night of the election. Many railway men go out from divisional points and do not return for two or three days. In fact, in my constituency some of the men may not get

back for a week if they are operating on the Canadian Pacific running out of Havelock to Smith's Falls and Toronto, for they may be sent back on the shore line up the Trenton division, and in some cases it may be ten days before they return-to Havelock. I think this is a good clause and should be adopted.


William Duff: I have not the slightest objection to either railway men or commercial travellers getting this advantage provided they are treated no differently than the other classes of the community. I notice that a sailor will be allowed to vote under this section, but it would be absolutely useless to our deep-sea fishermen, 99 per cent ' of whom leave home at certain seasons and are absent from two to six months; in fact only our sailors on the Great Lakes would be able to take advantage of this provision.


Mr. DAVIDSON:: If a sailor was leaving three or four days before an election for a year's trip, this section would give him an opportunity of voting.


William Duff: It might give that opportunity to six sailors in the whole of the Maritime Provinces. My argument is that we should treat all classes of the community alike, and if we are going to make provision for railway men and commercial travellers, we should also make similar provision for sailors who are away for from two to six months. In my constituency if an election were held next week 4,000 deep-sea fishermen would not have a chance to vote, and I say that my constituents should be treated just the same as our railway men and our commercial travellers. But in view of the difficulties of meeting these cases I think the proper way is not to pass this clause at all, and so treat everybody alike.	,


Hugh Guthrie: As we have arranged for all the subsections to be considered together, I will now formally make an amendment to meet the objection of the railway men which I have just mentioned to the committee. It will appropriately go in as -an addition to subsection 10 at the foot -of page 74. It reads as follows:
Provided however that if an elector who has obtained a certificate in form TT is unable to vote at an advance poll, he shall nevertheless be entitled to vote on polling day at the polling station at which his name appears upon the list of voters, and at no other polling station. Before so voting such elector shall surrender his certificate in form TT to the deputy returning officer who shall then and there cancel such certificate and the entry concerning the same on the official list of voters, and such
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elector shall then be entitled to vote as if such certificate had never been issued.
This is an amendment prepared to meet the objections of the railway men who waited upon me.


Mr. J. E. SINCLAIR:: Does he surrender
the certificate?	_


Hugh Guthrie: In the first instance he gets the certificate. His name is entered upon the list of voters as having the right to vote at an advance poll and when he so votes he must surrender the certificate. If he is not able to get home on time to vote at the advance poll but does get home on election day he may still present himself at his own polling subdivision, surrender his certificate-that heing evidence that he has not voted,-and be entitled to vote.


William Duff: Gan a railway man vote in any other constituency than his own?


Hugh Guthrie: No, he must vote in his own division.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: There will be two consequent amendments. In subsection 10, the following words will be struck out:
The vote of such elector shall thereafter be pollable at an advance poll, and not otherwise.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: A further amendment will be necessary on page 76. Paragraph (d) of subsection 16 will have to be struck out. It reads as follows:
After having obtained from a registrar, revising officer or returning officer a certificate in form TT votes or attempts to vote at any other than an advance poll.
This will be struck out because the amendment that I have just made will permit him to vote on election day at other than an advance poll.


Frank S. Cahill: There is no provision for the ballots to be deposited in the ballot box, and I do not see any provision for reopening the ballot box after it has been sealed. After the first day the ballot box is sealed; the scrutineers may affix their seals in such a way that no ballots can be deposited in the box. But I do not see any way whereby the unused ballots themselves must be deposited in the box, or the box must be opened in the presence of somebody.


Hugh Guthrie: You could not deposit the unused ballots in the box.


Frank S. Cahill: What are you going to
do with them?


Hugh Guthrie: Surely the returning
officer has some way of keeping his book of ballot papers. The idea is to keep the ballot box absolutely secret and at night to keep it sealed up. The number of ballots is recorded. The agents know the number that have been used or spoiled. They know that at night and by a simple process of arithmetic they know how many the returning officer should have on the following morning. If they are about their business at all they will know the number that the returning officer should have.


Arthur Bliss Copp: Where is the provision that they have the right to do that?


Hugh Guthrie: What are they there
for?


Arthur Bliss Copp: What authority is there for that?


Hugh Guthrie: The general authority
that the agent attending the poll would have, to see there was no crooked work done.


Arthur Bliss Copp: This is a special clause for
carrying on the work at the advance poll.


Hugh Guthrie: There is nothing special about it. The agent has a right to be there.


Arthur Bliss Copp: What right has he to insist on the returning officer counting the ballots?


Hugh Guthrie: If I were there I would
see that it was done.


Arthur Bliss Copp: That is not a fair answer.
Is there any provision in this section that would give the agent that authority? A poll is held from seven to ten o'clock, and they use so many ballots between the opening and closing of the poll. Then, the poll opens again. Has the agent representing the candidate there a right under this section to demand of the returning officer that he permit the counting of ballots after the first night.


Hugh Guthrie: He will have all the
powers of the ordinary scrutineer under this Act.


Arthur Bliss Copp: This section only applies to an advance poll and the general law does not apply.


Georges Henri Boivin: Before allowing hon.
members to continue a general discussion of the section I must point out that the last amendment made by the Acting Solicitor
General has not been adopted. That is the amendment to strike out paragraph (d) of subsection 16. When that is disposed of this discussion will he perfectly in order.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I am afraid
that the effect of striking out that paragraph will be greater than the minister intends.
I would suggest that instead of striking out the paragraph altogether he leave it as it stands and add the words " except upon the presentation of such certificate on election day as herein provided." The paragraph is to prevent a man who has already voted at an advance poll from voting somewhere else on election day or some other time. Leaving that provision in and adding the words which I have suggested would cover what the minister has in mind.


Hugh Guthrie: I will accept that suggestion. I therefore beg to move, instead of striking out subsection (d), to add at the end of it the words " except upon presentation on election day of such certificate as provided by this section."


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Arthur Bliss Copp: This is a special section for holding an advance poll, and the conduct of the business of the poll must be surrounded with the same safeguards and secrecy as surround any other poll held in the regular way on election day. On election morning the deputy returning officer goes into the polling booth, the poll clerk is there, the agents of the respective candidates are there, and it is their duty to count the ballot papers that are in the hands of the returning officer.


Hugh Guthrie: Where do they get that right?


Arthur Bliss Copp: My hon. friend said they had the right.


Hugh Guthrie: They get it, just the ordinary agent's right, under clause 52 of this Bill.


Arthur Bliss Copp: I was right before, and my hon. friend said that I was not right, but now he admits I am right in regard to this point-that is, the agent's right to count the ballots is a matter of custom. Let us assume that. The election continues throughout the day; the scrutineers are there to watch the voters as they come in and get their ballot papers from the returning officer, properly initialled by him. Each voter goes into a compartment, marks his ballot, comes out and places the ballot in the ballot box. When the time comes for the closing of the polls the ballots are

counted and put back into the box, the box is sealed in the presence of the scrutineers, and each agent of a candidate has the count as taken at that time. But this advance poll is open from seven to ten o'clock in the evening of three days. My hon. friend says that the ballot box is sealed, but that means simply that a slip of paper is pasted over the slit in the ballot box through which the ballots are inserted. The agent does not know how the vote stands in the ballot box; the returning officer takes the ballot box home with him, and the next night it is opened again and more ballots are put into it. The third night it is opened again and more ballots put into it, and at the close of the poll the third night the ballots are counted. The proper way in which the matter should be handled would be that each night the poll is held, the ballots should be counted and the count taken and preserved by the different candidates at the advance poll. When you have a ballot box, with simply a slip of paper pasted over the slit, left in the hands of the returning officer over night, he could put in or take out twenty-five ballot papers, and in that case, there is no secrecy nor safeguard.


Hugh Guthrie: If my hon. friend thinks it would help, I do not object to putting in a general clause to the effect that the provisions of secions 52 and 54 of this Act ielating to agents at polling stations and their duties and powers shall apply to advance polls.


Arthur Bliss Copp: W7ould that mean the counting of the ballots each night?


Hugh Guthrie: Counting the ballots, opening the polls and examining all election documents but I do not think the ballot boxes should be opened and the ballots counted each night.


Arthur Bliss Copp: That is the safeguard.


Hugh Guthrie: I shall have to disagree with my hon. friend on that point.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: May I suggest this to the minister, merely as a suggestion for his consideration? These advance polls are certainly going to give rise to a good deal of suspicion one way or another, and if it is possible to avoid that it is well to avoid it. Personally, I am in favour of advance polls for certain classes that may be specified. But it might be well that every ballot that goes into the ballot box in an advance poll should be placed in an envelope which should be sealed, and that envelope should bear some designation of [Mr. Copp.l
the returning officer and each of the agents. Let those ballot papers go into the ballot box in that form. Then, only ballots that are in envelopes that have those three signatures could be counted when the count takes place. Otherwise, it is going to be possible to stuff the ballot box.


Arthur Bliss Copp: Why can they not be counted each night?


James Alexander Calder: I am inclined to agree with the general view taken by the leader of the Opposition. (Mr. Mackenzie King) that unless some further safeguard is provided, there will be a suspicion. I am absolutely opposed on principle, to the suggestion that the ballots should be counted each night, because I think the result of the election should be counted as a whole and known as a whole; otherwise the counting of those ballots each night might have on an election an influence which it should not have.


Arthur Bliss Copp: It would have the effect that you would have an honest election and an honest count.


James Alexander Calder: That is another question. We have operated under the law as it stands in Saskatchewan; at our last election we had some twenty-five advance polls in our province, and as far as I have heard, there was never the slightest complaint as to the manner in which those polls were held, and I believe the same thing is true in regard to Ontario, because I have not heard of any complaints there. Nevertheless, those ballot boxes are in the hands of deputy returning officers over nigth for three nights, and a suspicion. is liable to arise as to what might happen to those ballot boxes during that time. If some provision can be made whereby that suspicion may be absolutely removed, that would be in the interest of everybody. The leader of the Opposition has suggested that each ballot be put into a separate envelope and those envelopes identified. I cannot agree with that, because when those envelopes are opened, those marks may be of such a character as to identify the voter, and I think that is objectionable. But I would throw this out as a suggestion, namely, that at the end of the voting on each evening, the ballots should be taken out of the ballot box just as they are, folded, without being openend out, and placed in a fairly large envelope, which will then be properly sealed and put back into the box, and the box sealed. Then on the following day when the box is opened, the only thing

in the box would be one large envelope containing the ballots. The same process would be gone through each evening.


Albert James Smith Copp: A separate envelope would
be used each evening?


James Alexander Calder: Yes.


Albert James Smith Copp: That is all right.


James Alexander Calder: That envelope can be properly sealed by the returning officer and all of the agents who are present.


Frank S. Cahill: According to this law, a
returning officer will carry in his pocket at night the unused ballots. That is against the present system of election laws in Canada, and it is against the interest of the Canadian people to have unused ballots floating around loose anywhere. Is there any penalty in the event of a returning officer losing those ballots that are in his custody, that are not locked up and for which no person except himself is responsible. I would suggest that instead of putting the ballots, into envelopes, you should have a separate ballot box for each day. You are not going to have so many of these advance polls, and you can very well have a ballot box for each day with a sufficient number of ballot papers in that box for the business of the day. When the ballot box is opened the scrutineers are ' present; and at night when the poll is closed, the unused ballot papers are put back into the box and the box is sealed and put away. The next day the second ballot box, with a sufficient number of ballot papers in it to cover the business of that day, is opened, and at the end of the day the unused ballots are put back into the box and the box sealed and put away like the first. In that way, you are not asking any person to carry around unused ballot papers in his pocket. Such a person might lose one, or two, or five, of those ballots; a sufficient number might be lost at each poll to affect the result. My hon. friend knows what might be done with floating ballots of that kind. I am more concerned with what might be done with floating ballots than I am about stuffing one particular box, because you might not be able to do a great deal of damage with that one box, but you might do a great deal of damage with floating ballots. A separate ballot box each day would overcome the whole difficulty and would safeguard the interest of the electors.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The suggestion by my hon. friend (Mr. Cahill) and also by the Minister of Immigration an Colonization (iMr. Calder) meets what I have in mind by way of greater security as concerns these loose ballots. I really think the suggestion made by my hon. friend (Mr. Cahill) is a little better than the one made by_ my hon. friend the minister (Mr. Calder). The only difference is this; in the one case it takes a few more ballot boxes, and in the other a few more envelopes.


James Alexander Calder: If the other suggestion is carried out, then in the evening at the close of the poll the ballot boxes are opened and the ballots are put in an envelope. There is no reason why the remaining blanks should not be put in another envelope and put in that box, which rwould be closed and sealed for the night. The following days, open up the box and take out the blank ballots. If you are going to open that box at night after the poll is closed, you can put your blank ballots in that box. I cannot see any necessity for having three boxes.


Frank S. Cahill: I cannot see any necessity for opening a ballot box after it has been closed.


James Alexander Calder: What harm is there?


Frank S. Cahill: Why is it closed at all? Why do we seal the box except to protect the franchise of the people from corrupt politicians? There is every reason for it.


James Alexander Calder: What we are attempting to do is to provide for secrecy; that is what we are aiming at. Now the suggestion is that the ballot box at the close of the poll should be opened in the presence of the deputy returning officer and the officers on both sides. They will be there, and the ballots before they are unfolded and examined should simply be put in an envelope which should be sealed by all parties. You are not violating any secrecy in that. You are attempting to make an arrangement so as to secure us .secrecy. There is no harm in opening the ballot box for that purpose. After sealing that envelope, put it back in the box and seal the box, and then on the following day when the deputy returning officer and the agents are there,' again open the box and get out these blank envelopes.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That suggestion involves the handling of the ballots two or three times. The suggestion of my hon. friend (Mr. Cahill) would mean that the ballots would not be handled at all. The box would be sealed. It vrould mean two

or three boxes, but it would give an additional sense of security to have the box sealed until all the ballots were about to be counted.


James Alexander Calder: Personally the objection I have to that feature is this: We all know how ballot boxes are sealed. Many of them are sealed in a very flimsy way, and the seals may possibly Joe removed without suspicion. You have a tin box that is very difficult to seal, but we have had a provision in the law that boxes should be sealed ever since we have had an election law. I have seen hundreds of ballot boxes turned in with practically no seals .at all. I say that, in order to remove suspicion, it is far better to have that sealing done on an envelope than to attempt to seal the box itself.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: May I suggest that both plans be adopted that the ballots be put in an envelope and sealed, and the ballot box itself be sealed. That would be a double precaution. At the end of the day have all the ballots put in an envelope, and the envelope and the ballot box sealed. Then remove that ballot box, and the next day do the same thing with another box. It would involve having two or three boxes, but it would be a double precaution and give a greater sense of security.


James Alexander Calder: What would be the object of having three boxes?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Just to double the precautions. My hon. friend has said that his experience with ballot boxes goes to show that the seals can be broken very easily. If both these methods were adopted, any one wishing to tamper with the ballots would have to break open the seal on the ballot box and the seal on the envelope containing the ballots, and they might hesitate to go to that extent.


Hugh Guthrie: This is more in line with the suggestion of my hon. friend (Mr. Cahill). Suppose at the end of the first day's polling a box is sealed land the scrutineers exercise the privilege given them of putting their own seals on it. The unused ballots are placed in an ev-velope which is sealed by the two scrutineers. Then in the morning examine your seals on the box and on the envelope and start out for the second day's work, and so on at the end of the second day and the third day. Seal the ballots in a special envelope, and let the scrutineers put their signatures on the seals on the envelope.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is a good suggestion.


Arthur Bliss Copp: And mark on the envelopes the number of ballots enclosed.


Jean-Joseph Denis: Those suggestions are very good, but I would bring before the committee the suggestion of hawing a particular method of sealing the box and the envelope. There are methods by wbcih the envelope [DOT] and ballot box could be sealed so that the seal could not be broken without detection. The minister (Mr. Guthrie) has just said that the seals on the boxes are easily broken, and that is true. It does not mean much simply to say that the officials must seal the box or the envelope, because we know how it is done. The deputy returning officer simply closes or seals the box as he may see fit. If he does not know how to seal it, it will not be sealed, or the sealing will be done in such a way as to be useless. I would suggest that a particular method of sealing be adopted, and that a system for doing so1 be provided in the law. My suggestion is that each 'box and each envelope should be sealed by using a sheet of paper upon which the deputy returning officer, his clerk, and the agents of the candidates will jput their signature, and that the sealing be done in such a way as to leave the signatures exposed. 'Suppose II want to seal this -book. If 'I seal it with an ordinary sheet of paper, the seal might be broken and a new seal substituted and you would not. be able to detect the difference, but if I take a blank piece of paper on which I write my signature, which cannot be imitated without exposing oneself to a charge of perjury, and then the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Immigration also put their signatures on, and we use this sheet of paper to close this book, bind it and seal it, it is absolutely impossible to break the seal without its being known. I am not the inventor of this method. It is already in use now for loose-leaf ledgers. You close your ledger with a key, but the key locks with a little piece of paper on which you put your name, and no one can open the ledger except by breaking the little piece of paper. If this method is not adopted,
I would suggest that some other be adopted which would give good results. This strikes me as a good means of avoiding fraud, and I submit it to the consideration of the committee. If we adopt a safe method of sealing either the envelope or the ballot box there will be no trouble.


Mr. JOHNSTON:: If the minister is still prepared to receive suggestions I have one

to offer. I agree with the hon. member for Pontiac (Mr. Cahill) that it is a bad practice to handle ballots at any time previous to the final counting of them. I would suggest that the boxes for the advance polls be constructed with three compartments, each having its own separate opening, and each opening being sealed. On the first day number one would be opened and at the close of the day, after the ballots had been put in, it would be sealed; and the same procedure would be carried out on the second and third day. In this way you would avoid interfering with the ballots until the box was opened on the closing of the poll on the final day.


Levi Thomson: I do not see any objection to the suggestion made by the Minister of Immigration (Mr. Calder) of putting the ballots into envelopes and marking them. Nothing has been said to show that there is any danger in putting the ballots at night into an envelope in the presence of all parties, and certainly there is no other way by which you can so well identify them the next morning. The suggestion of the hon. member for Joliette (Mr. Denis) might be all right with experts at that sort of work, but it might lead to blunders, and I do not think it is a wise one. Any man can easily put his name on an envelope, and if the ballots are put into an envelope at night I fail to see what harm can be done. I think the unused ballots might also be counted and put into envelopes.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is a good suggestion.


Levi Thomson: I have never seen a ballot box sealed in such a way that it could not be broken and sealed up the same way. The suggestion of the Minister of Immigration is worthy of consideration. I was not in Saskatchewan during the provincial election of 1912 but I heard no complaints in regard to the operation of the law there. Every one was satisfied with that particular part of the Act and the way in which it had worked out. No fault was found, and it seems to me that the suggestion of the minister, who has more experience in regard to this matter than any one else in this House, should be well considerd. The simple and effective way is to seal and initial the envelopes at night, and all unused ballots could be cleaned up and put into an envelope and sealed.


Hugh Guthrie: Let us thoroughly understand the wish of the committee in this
matter. We may agree on this to-night, and to-morrow when other hon. gentlemen are in the House we may find ourselves disagreing on the question. If I
11 p.m. understand' the suggestion it is this: We should make a provision that at the end of each day the box shall be opened and the ballots, without being unfolded, shall be placed in an envelope and sealed, and that the returning officer and agents shall, if they so desire, seal the envelope with their own seals and signatures. That envelope shall be placed in the ballot box. The unused ballots shall be placed in another envelope and sealed in a similar way, being also placed in the ballot box. The ballot box then shall be locked and sealed. On the following morning the ballot box shall be unlocked and unsealed, and the envelope' containing the unused ballots taken out, the other envelope, containing the used ballots, not to be opened until the close of the poll. The same procedure is to be followed each day until the final counting of the votes. If that is right, I shall have an amendment drawn to cover the suggestion and shall submit it to the House when the Bill comes up again. If, on the other hand, I have not expressed the wish of the committee I shall be glad to know just what is desired.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: There is just one additional feature to the suggestion that has been made, and that is that the envelopes should bear on the cover the number of ballots enclosed. I would ask the minister also whether it would not be well, instead of opening the unused ballots, to begin with a fresh book,of ballots and alloiw the two envelopes to remain sealed. I think it might be well to start the next day with a fresh book.


John Albert Sexsmith: I think that if you go to all this trouble you will destroy the effect of the advance poll. Suppose you have an advance poll where there may not be more than fifty votes during two or three days. A dozen or two dozen voters may come in during the first day and at night you take the trouble of putting those bollots into an envelope and marking the number and putting the envelope into the box.


Jean-Joseph Denis: What objection could there be, before the ballots were finally counted ibn the third day, to opening the three envelopes and mixing the ballots together?


John Albert Sexsmith: It does seem to me that we have not very much confidence in humanity. You have a returning officer, a re-

sponsible deputy returning officer, a sworn poll clerk and the sworn agents of each of the different candidates. You have, say, twenty ballots marked on the first day of the advance poll, and they are put into a box and sealed at night. I cannot see any sense in trying to put these in an envelope and marking them so that when the envelope is opened you may know how these men may have voted, but I do see some sense in taking care of unused ballots. There are not two or three hundred ballots issued to these branch polls. There are a small number of ballots and only a certain number of men vote the first day, and the scrutineers, the agents and the poll clerk, together with the deputy returning officer, I believe, would do their duty. They would be there in the morning, at the hour when the poll is open, to count over the unused ballots they may have. If there were eight or ten-or even fifty for that matter-of unused ballots, those unused ballots pould be put in an envelope and the envelope sealed by the agent and by the returning officer, and that would be sufficient, without sealing the other ballots that had already been placed in the box.


Mr. McKENZIB:: I have not had the
opportunity of making a very close study of the provisions for these advance polls, nor have I got into my head a true conception of the machinery which is to be provided for them. I simply want to put myself on record as being absolutely and entirely opposed to the whole business.


William Duff: Hear, hear.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I think it is an invasion upon the old, well-established, and well-understood principle of holding the elections and having everybody vote on the same day, and the feeling of security and satisfaction that that gives to the whole community is a greater consideration to the Canadian public than the convenience of the few who might vote at these advance polls. I simply speak for myself and say that I am absolutely and entirely opposed to it as an expedient that should not be practised in this country. Everybody should vote on election day; and there are. very few people indeed-if they choose to put themselves to a little inconvenience, and if they are anxious to exercise the franchise-but can be present and poll their votes on the day. The polls are now open in most towns at six o'clock in the morning; and in the case of anybody who is going away, if the train were delayed half an hour in the morning in order to give them

an opportunity to poll their votes before they leave the station from which they are to depart that would be all right. I repeat that I wish to put myself on record as being opposed to creating difficult machinery such as is provided for here, and which is bound to result in no end of dissatisfaction.


Mr. TURGEON:: I think that when this clause was under consideration some days ago I was the first to express' my opposition to advance polls, as I thought the public at large thought more of the secrecy and sanctity of the ballot than of the granting of such a special privilege as this to a few people. I believe that having the polling take place on the one day has been adopted by democratic nations in order to insure secrecy in elections, and at the same time to prevent the exercise of certain influences which might be brought into play if the polling was extended over a number of days. I am very pleased now to see that I am supported in my opposition by my hon. friend from Cape Breton North and Victoria (Mr. McKenzie), and my hon. friend from Lunenburg (Mr. Duff).'Apparently the chief object of the proposed innovation is to give commercial travellers the privilege of voting without great inconvenience. But we know' that there are certain periods when commercial travellers are at home, more particularly iSunday. Iif the polling were to take place on Monday every class of the community that are not usually at home would have the opportunity of knowdng four or five weeks in advance that the elections would take place on Monday, would make their arrangements accordingly and W'ouid vote on that particular day before starting out on their business. Fishermen in the Maritime Provinces would prefer Monday as the day on which polling should take place in preference to any other day in the week because they leave home early on Monday and do not return until the following Saturday. Possibly some people may not be able to he home on that day, but that would occur no matter what day was chosen. For the convenience of railway men living in the cities or suburban districts I previously suggested that they should be allowed to vote early in the morning and late at night. That is the best suggestion I can make to the committee in order that we may adhere to the present system and thus preserve the secrecy and honesty of the ballot. You may adopt whatever safeguards you like but nevertheless these advance polls will result in many acts of corruption in certain parts of the country.	_


Hugh Guthrie: Do I understand that the statement I made as to the proposed amendment, added to by the suggestion of my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King) is in line with what the committee thinks proper to adopt? If so, when the committee next meets I will have such an amendment prepared and laid before it.


Frank S. Cahill: With the- understanding
that the boxes are to be opened in the presence of the returning officer and the agent.?


Hugh Guthrie: I am giving the agents at the advance polls all the power they have at any other poll, but I do not quite agree that the envelopes containing unused ballots should not be re-opened for use on the following day.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I will withdraw that suggestion if the minister says that the unused ballots will be sealed as well as the others.


Hugh Guthrie: Then I move that clause 100 stand.


Jean-Joseph Denis: And the agents will be there to put their seal or signature on the envelopes?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, if they-want to.
Motion agreed to; section 100 stands.


Hugh Guthrie: Section 101 was carried, but I find that the Under Secretary of State, who has the administration of the Canada Temperance Act, thinks that that section will have to be further amended, and that probably some amendments will also have to be made to the Canada Temperance Act. I have not got these amendments yet, and would therefore move that we reopen section 101 for further consideration and then allow it to stand. If we can pass the interpretation clause to-night, I think we shall have done very good work.


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Motion agreed to.
On section 2-Interpretation:
William Lyon Mackenzie King: The form of
this section, I think, will depend a good deal upon what we decide with regard to other sections.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think the
form taken by other clauses can affect the interpretation clause. I have gone over it very carefully and have some suggestions to make. It is difficult to keep track of them all. That is the reason why I wished to get back to this section.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I know that one or two members on this side of the House have something to say about the necessity of more specifically defining the rural polling division.


Hugh Guthrie: When we get down to that paragraph, I want to have it fully discussed. It is for the purpose of reaching it that I want to proceed.


John Howard Sinclair: I was going to suggest that" a schedule containing the names of the cities and towns-


Hugh Guthrie: I am prepared to discuss that when we get to the paragraph, but it is at the very end of the section, and we may not reach it for several days.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Is not the minister proposing to take up that section now?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, but I desire to move that the section be considered paragraph by paragraph.


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Alotion agreed to.
On paragraph (a)-"advance poll."
Frank S. Cahill: Is it the intention that any paragraph must stand as carried?


Georges Henri Boivin: It is not possible for the committee to definitely adopt a subclause or a paragraph. When one paragraph has been fully discussed and adopted we pass on to the next, discuss and adopt that. Before the entire section is finally adopted the question is always put: Shall the clause carry? Then any paragraph may be again referred to and discussed.
On paragraph (b)-"candidate":


Hugh Guthrie: That is practically the same as the former law.


Charles Gavan Power: This seems to me to be rather a peculiar provision. I do not remember having seen it in the old law, but even if it were there I do not think it is a reasonable provision. "A candidate is a person who is declared by himself or by others to be a candidate." That would include anybody whom, for instance, the newspapers might mention as a candidate. It very often happens prior to an election that the newspapers get busy with the names of men, prominent or otherwise, in the locality and say that Air. So-and-So is to be a candidate. Mr. So-and-So might be very seriously inconvenienced by such a clause as this.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: What is the object of the words "or by others"?


Hugh Guthrie: This is to prevent a man giving private information to some of his friends and saying to them: "Go on with the work of the election; I will not be bound by any corrupt act you may do." Or a man may be in Great Britain, and his friends may go ahead and canvass on is behalf. But that man has not announced himself as a candidate, and in that way he might corrupt the whole riding. It is an old law in this country and I have never heard it questioned. I think it is a very wise provision. In the case of a newspaper simply announcing a man as a candidate, I do not think a judge would hold him to be a candidate in such an isolated case. But anything like an organized effort on the part of one's friends to carry on election work, even although the candidate had withheld his positive assent to their action, is wrong. If a man wishes he can very soon stop such work. This clause is intended to prevent a man using his friends to do what the law will not allow him to do personally.


Charles Gavan Power: But in a large number of cases a man is not going to take the trouble to deny a report. In our province previous to an election we invariably have a large number of candidates announced, and if any corrupt practice occurred apparently those men would be held responsible.


Hugh Guthrie: Does my hon. friend know of any wrong or injury done to any man since this law has been in force?


Charles Gavan Power: No, because I am under the impression that most of our population never knew such a law was in force. Otherwise, I am sure that in a number of cases they might have been able to use it to the detriment of prominent respectable citizens. As things are now a prominent citizen will have to communicate with all the newspapers and go around to all the political heelers and tale-bearers to stop them calling him a candidate and so save himself from being held responsible for something they may do without his authority.
I think that part of the clause should be stricken out.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I quite agree with the hon. member. I can conceive of a case where people for their own benefit would set up the name of a man as a candidate who never had any intention of running. Surely it could not be said that that man is nominated as a candidate. In fact, I have heard it repeatedly said during elections that Mr. So-and-So was running, this report being

circulated simply for the purpose of influencing votes. If a man whose name is put forward as a candidate without his authority is going to be held responsible, I think that the words "with his consent" should be inserted after the words "by others."


Hugh Guthrie: Of course, if he does not eventually become a candidate that report does not make any difference one way or the other; it is only when he does become a candidate that the section has any operation at all. I have no objection to the words going in.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would direct the attention of the minister to the fact that this section will apparently lead to considerable controversy. I think he was in the House this afternoon when the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster) told us that the Government would be inclined to be reasonable with the committee in the matter of late sittings. It is now half-past eleven, and as we have done a very good day's work, I think the minister might very well agree to left the committee rise and report progress. I am sure I can promise that he will make just as much progress as if he continues the sitting.


Hugh Guthrie: We might just as well make it bold and plain. This promise is made, as was the promise on Thursday night, meaning: If you don't adjourn now, why we will see that you don't pass any more of this Bill. My hon. friend speaking in the House to-day said that the minister used the threat that the committee would sit until two o'clock in the morning. I made a suggestion and not a threat. I would suggest, not by way of threat, but merely by way of getting on with this Bill, that we sit until two o'clock this morning. However, let it be distinctly understood that while we on this side are -anxious to go on, the disposition on the other side is not to go on. It is now less than half-past eleven. It is my view that we should pass the uncontested sections to-night, and another hour would probably enable us to do so. There are seven or eight sections before us that will, of course, have to be threshed out. However, in the face of what my hon. friend intimates in effect, if we have to do it we will do it. I take it that no further progress will be made to-night, and we may as well adjourn.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would like
the minister to appreciate our position on this side of the House. After the adjourn-

ment comes we are informed what the business is to be to-morrow. We have no opportunity to consider those measures until to-morrow morning, and that means devote ing to-morrow morning to work of the afternoon. It is all right for the minister himself, for he is here as an individual, but if he. looks at the seats about him he will find that for the most part the House is empty. A few of us who are endeavouring to follow legislation carefully are obliged to remain here till on in the morning each day. We are beginning another week and if the minister proposes to keep this committee in session every night until after midnight, let him say so. If he wishes to be reasonable he will consent to allow the committee to rise now.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think that half past eleven is unreasonable, but after the way the matter has been put before the committee I suppose there is nothing for me to do but to move that the committee rise and report progress.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I think the
minister might have done that without having to be asked.
Motion agreed to; progress reported.
On the motion of Sir Henry Drayton the House adjourned at 11.30 p.tm.
Tuesday, May 4, 1920.
. The House met at Three o'clock.



THE HARBOUR OF PICTOU.

[Stage Direction]
On motion of Hon. C. C. Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries), it was ordered that the House do to-morrow go into committee to consider a- resolution respecting repeal of the Acts relating to the harbour of Pictou.

[Stage Direction]
, On the Orders of the Day:
, Mr. S. W. JACOBS (George Etienne Cartier) : Mr. Speaker, I should like to ascertain if the Government has received any official information from the Colonial Office or otherwise respecting the occupation of the city of Vladivostok by the Japanese Government.
George Eulas Foster: Nothing official has been received by the Government.



STEEL AND SHIPPING INDUSTRIES OF CANADA.


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On the Orders of the Day:
Robert Lorne Richardson: .Mr. Speaker, when the Orders of the Day .were called yesterday I endeavoured, by putting a question to the Government, to bring to the notice of the House the proposed steel and steamship merger. I have no excuse to offer to the House for bringing this matter to the attention of hon. members because the proposed merger, it is boasted, will vie with the Canadian Pacific Railway Company in importance and capitalization. It may be, Mr. Speaker, that combination is a good thing-
, Mr. SPEAKER:	Order. I have not interrupted the hon. member because he gave me notice that he would ask the House for leave to adjourn under rule 39. He should have proceeded at once to ask for leave, because unless he has the consent of the House to proceed under that motion, he would not be in order.


Robert Lorne Richardson: I have in my hand the motion which I propose to move.
, Sir GEORGE FOSTER: As neither I nor the Government have had any notice of my hon. friend's intention, I would ask him to postpone his motion until to-morrow.
, Mr. RICHARDSON: I would be delighted to yield to the request of my right hon. friend, but I expect to leave to-night for Winnipeg, and if I do not press my motion now there is danger that the merger will be consummated and the damage done-
, Mr. JACOBS: Hear, hear.


Robert Lorne Richardson: -without my having had an opportunity of presenting my case.


George Green Foster: I think my hon. friend will have plenty of time to present his motion before the consummation of the event he refers to.
. Mr. RICHARDSON: I am in the hands of the Government, Mr. Speaker. If my right hon. friend,(Sir George Foster), for whom I have the most profound respect-insists on my postponing this motion, of course, I shall gracefully bow to his wishes, although I am afraid that I shall not have an opportunity later to discuss this matter. I would be able to dispose of it in a few minutes.


George Green Foster: I leave the matter entirely to my hon. friend. There will be no hard feelings.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Does "the hon. gentleman (Mr. Richardson) desire to ask leave of the House ?


Robert Lorne Richardson: Inasmuch as the
right hon. the leader of the House has acted so very gracefully, I do not anticipate that any possible damage can come to the public interest by my proceeding.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. member for
Springfield asks leave of the House under rule 39 to move the adjournment for the purpose of discussing a definite matter of urgent public importance, namely, the proposed steel and steamship merger of the British Empire Steel Corporation, Limited. Shall the hon. member have leave to proceed under rule 39?


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Motion agreed to.
Robert Lorne Richardson: Mr. Speaker, I thank the right hon. the leader of the Government (Sir George Foster) and hon. members for giving me this opportunity to proceed. Were it not that I expect to have to leave Ottawa to-night I would have been very glad to postpone until to-morrow my remarks on this question.
My attention was directed to this matter in various ways, but I was especially struck with a letter which I received from a very prominent capitalist residing in Toronto, in which he says:
The job is being put up, I believe, by London and New York financial manipulators, the latter group being closely connected with the United States Steel Corporation, with which this " British Empire " (they are hell on loyalty these cosmopolitan grafters) affair is to " compete." It is, of course, another gigantic stock-watering enterprise, and it would be very interesting to know before any Canadian charter or franchise is granted whether the Government has detailed knowledge of the actual money to be invested, of the "securities" to be issued, of the valuations to be placed on the existing property, and securities which are to be included in the merger, and of the names of the persons actually interested, who are the real projectors, and who are really putting up or finding the money. It would also be highly interesting to know whether the Government, in view of the country's past experience with the actual meaning and cost to the public of " vested rights," is taking such measures as shall ensure that nothing shall be conceded to this enterprise which will warrant its projectors or manipulators or those to whom they may dispose of their franchises in demanding at any time in the future that the people of Canada shall pay such prices for metal products and water transport as shall enable them to pay fat dividends on a hundred millions or so of wind and water as was done in the case of the United States Steel merger to the ' 
extent of nearly seven hundred millions. This is obviously an attempt to duplicate that swindle. It is these flaunting, posing ballyhoos like Morden, and still more the men at the back, who make the bullets and aim the guns, who are the real Bolsheviks, and whose goings-on afford a sort of excuse for the other kind.


Frank S. Cahill: Who signed the letter?


Robert Lorne Richardson: I do not wish to give the House the impression that I approve unreservedly of all the expressions used in the communication which I have just read.


Mr. VIEN:: The hon. gentleman has just cited what he states to be the views of a prominent Toronto man. Will he be kind enough to give his name?


Robert Lorne Richardson: I would naturally expect a question of that kind, Mr. Speaker, but in a matter like this I propose to exercise my own discretion, and I shall not divulge the name.


Mr. GAUVREAU:: He is not ashamed of his name, is he?


Robert Lorne Richardson: I do not think it makes any difference what the name is; this House has only to deal with the matter dealt with in the communication.
In addition to what I have read, I noticed in one of the Toronto joapers recently the following statement:
The biggest industrial company in the British Empire is being organized in Canada by Colonel Grant Morden, M.P. for Chiswick, in the British House of Commons. He is identified with big interests in England, and has come to Canada to effect a merger that will include the great steel and iron companies of Nova Scotia, the Canada Steamships Company and other concerns.
The new company will be known as the Bri-ish Empire Steel Corporation It will have a capitalization of two hundred and fifty million dollars, and will be able to compete with the United States Steel Corporation, which has been dumping its products into the British Empire market.
" I cannot give you the details of the new company for the present," said Colonel Morden,
" but it will compare in size with the Canadian Pacific railway and will be the biggest industrial concern in the British Empire."
I also observed that iColonel Morden addressed the Toronto Board of Trade yesterday, and I clipped from a Toronto paper a summary of his speech on that occasion. If the House will permit me, I would like to read a few figures in order that hon. gentlemen may be fully seized of the situation:
Col. W. Grant Morden, promoter of the big merger known as the British Empire Steel Corporation, member of the British Parliament for Brantford and Chiswick, England, and a former Toronto boy, gave an address to the Toronto

Board of Trade to-day. Col. Morden said: " Proper combination to-day in trade is essential, just the same as in all united efforts. There has been no consolidation of industries, to my knowledge, that has ever taken place which has worked out so scientifically, so fairly, and on so conservative lines as the consolidation to be known in future as the British Empire Steel Corporation."
Col. Morden compared its position with that of the United States Steel Corporation, which had started without a dollar of assets behind its common stock. The British Empire Steel starts out by simply assuming a nominal funded debt of $43,000,000.
" We assume and put against the outstanding preference shares of the constituent companies an equivalent amount of preference shares, namely, 37,000,000 dollars," Col. Morden said. x " We issue 25,000,000 dollars of Oight per cent preferential participating shares as against an equivalent amount of cash, and we pay for the combined properties sixty-eight million dollars in seven per cent non-cumulative preference shares, and seventy-seven million dollars of common stock. That makes a total of 250 million dollars." '
"What do we pay for it?" the colonel asked. " We have an appraised value that has been substantiated by the greatest experts obtainable on the North American continent and in England, of four hundred and three million dollars of assets plus a surplus of some forty-two million dollars of quick assets over current liabilities. In other words, we have a net asset value there of four hundred and fifty million odd dollars."
I went over to the office of the Under-Secretary of State this morning and I was there allowed to inspect the fyle in connection with this merger. I find that these people applied for incorporation under the Joint Stock Companies Act of a company capitalized at $200,000. Notice, however, was given in the correspondence that the capitalization would be increased to $500,000,000 and intimation was also given-that the company might be capitalized at a billion dollars Now, the point I want to make is that ii they secure all these assets for something around $40,000,000 and if they are allowed to capitalize at $500,000,000, dividends will be paid on the $500,000,000 and not upon the actual amount of value involved in the properties acquired.
The great curse of high finance in this country, Mr. Speaker, has been over-capitalization, combinations of people buying up corporations and vastly increasing the capitalization, putting millions, tens of millions, sometimes hundreds of millions of wind and water into the enterprises, and the public have usually been obliged to pay dividends on these vast amounts. In a matter of this immense importance to the country I think it highly necessary that the attention of the Government should be directed to the situation. It is probable that the members of the Government are 124
thoroughly seized of the gravity of the situation; and that they thoroughly understand the desirability of guarding the public interests in a matter of this kind.
It is true that this company is being incorporated under the Joint Stock Companies Act of the Dominion. I learned by looking over the correspondence that the fee for incorporation of a company capitalized at $500,000,000 is $100,000. The lawyers for the corporation notified the Under-Secretary of State that they could obtain from Parliament an Act authorizing that capitalization at a cost not exceeding. $50,000, and they thought that a portion of the fee should be remitted. However, that request was refused.
It must be perfectly clear to hon. gentlemen that the Government have a special duty in this regard. The Canadian people have been exploited to such an amazing extent that were there no great papular ignorance throughout the oountry, I believe we would have had an outbreak time and time again. But the time is coming when an absolute limit should be placed on capitalization.
It may be that the Board of Commerce, which was appointed a year ago, could exercise control in a question of this kind. In fact, a reading of the Act constituting this board will make it clear to hon. gentlemen that the board have a right to take cognizance oif the actual value, not of the capital stock authorized upon which dividends are paid. But the (Board of Commerce, as everybody knows, is at present an impotent body. Its jurisdiction has been challenged and is now being considered by the Supreme Court, and so far as the exercising of its functions are concerned practically nothing is being done.
Although I fancy it is not desirable that I should tell what I have heard about the Board of Commerce and many of the things which have led almost to its destruction, the facts will, I hope, come out a little later on when this House and the country will see how the Board of. Commerce has, as I believe, been betrayed, and the dangerous position in which the people of this country stand because of the private onslaught against that board in an effort to destroy it. Unless the board is made a virile one and given full power to cany out the mission for which it was created, I do not think we need look for any protection in that quarter. It is the duty of the Government, therefore, very carefully to look into this merger and to see that the public interest is fully and absolutely safeguarded.


Mr. MICHAEL CLARK:: Has the hon.
gentleman any suggestion to make to the Government as to what it should do to prevent the (formation of a merger like this?


Robert Lorne Richardson: I take it for granted that Parliament is always supreme, and I explained to the House that the company is proceeding under the Joint Stock Companies' Act. Had they applied to Parliament, as is suggested in the correspondence, it is barely possible that they might have been able to get the merger through at a cost of $50,000, but they did not do that. If they had come to Parliament, the public interest, I doubt not, would have been safeguarded, because members on the 'floor of the House would have been able to demand the public interest be protected. I do not think they would get their Bill through this House in its original form at an expenditure of $50,000 or even $500,000.


Mr. EDMUND BRISTOL (Toronto Centre) :: 
Michael Clark: (Red Deer): I shall detain the House but a few minutes. The hon. member for Springfield has put the country under an obligation in drawing the attention of Parliament and the public to this great question. I asked him just as he closed his remarks what he proposed the Government should do, and he replied that Parliament was all-powerful. Well, *only sometimes. We tackled daylight saving a year ag'


Some hon. MEMBERS:: [Hear, hear.


Michael Clark: Parliament is
not all-powerful. It cannot override laws that are higher than those it makea- it cannot override the laws of nature. The effort to adopt daylight saving was extremely foolish because the attempt on the part of a human being to interefere with the sun, to interfere with regulations that have come from a scientific study of astronomy-that by way of illustration-is a thing that Parliament cannot do. Parliament is not all-powerful it is only all-powerful in its sphere of operation.
Now there are certain laws, just as irrevocable as the laws of astronomy, that regulate the formation of a merger, and those are the laws of economics; and I want to tell the House and the country that the creation of a merger like this is only possible in normal times because of a protective tariff, and I am going to prove it from the mouths of those who make it. How does the tariff act, Mr. Speaker? It acts by raising the price of the article carrying the tariff. If I wanted to reinforce my opinion upon that subject I would do so by quoting one to whom I venture to think every one in this House would be inclined to pay attention. My right hon. friend who leads the Government at the moment, once said in this House-he has never given us any Teason to believe that he has changed his opinion, and I call the attention of my right hon. friend and of the House to the 4*cidity and the emphasis of the language-that the effect of a tariff is to raise the price of the article carrying the tariff by about the amount of the duty. He went on to say if it did not do that what would be the use of it. Well, that is a question he might put to the protected


Thomas Vien: Does my hon. friend know
any other country in the world where labour is so highly paid as in the United States?


Michael Clark: I do not know how far I should be in order in extending my observations on this question, but if I have the permission of the Chair and of the House I would answer my hon. friend in this way:	wages have to be looked at not *
only in the light of the actual money value of the wage, but in relation also to the rent of houses, to the price of what the wages buy, to the hours of work, and to the conditions of the labour. Now I am going to answer my hon. friend in this way:
Every labour member of Parliament in the old country has studied these labour conditions all his life, and his opinion clearly is-because they are all free traders- that protection has done nothing for the wage earners of the United States or they would not want the same benefits as the Briton enjoys. Let me come closer to the question. The cotton operatives of Lancashire, through their trade union, some years ago sent a delegation to the United States to examine into conditions in connection with the cotton industry in that country. They made an examination along all these lines,-the actual money wage of labour, the actual value of the money wage-which is a very different thing, because the value of the money wage is estimated by what it will purchase-the conditions of labour, and the hours worked; and that delegation went back and reported to their union in Lancashire and said: "For goodness' sake, say nothing about the aristocratic labour of the United States." Now, that is the fact, and that is my answer by way of comparison with the conditions in the United States.


Mr. CURRIE:: Will the hon. gentleman state to the House when that occurred? Can he give the date?


Michael Clark: My hon. friend must really take my word for the fact as far as my memory carries me. I could not give the date. How could I when I did not know that the question under discussion would come up? I have been studying these
things for a long time, however, and if my hon. friend, while he was overseas as a warrior, had been disposed to take some little time from the castigation of the Germans to go to Lancashire he would have derived sufficient information to assure him of the truth of what I have said. It is an old trick to call upon a man on the spur of the moment to give dates: "Have you the date, can you say when so-and-so occurred?" What does the date matter? It is the fact that matters, Sir.
One -word more, Mr. Speaker. I apologise for having spoken at greater length than I had intended, but I think it is highly essential that we should understand what we are doing. What are we doing? We are increasing the price of steel and iron products to the consumers of the Dominion for the benefit of British financiers. We are increasing the price of transportation by making it more difficult to build railroads; because no one will try to pass off the suggestion upon this intelligent assembly that you can make it easier to build railroads by making steel dearer. I think it is an absurd proposition. If you make steel dearer you increase the difficulty of building railways, you increase the difficulty of making agricultural machinery, and preventing production in that way, you increase the difficulty of making everything into which iron and steel enter as products; you increase the difficulty of developing your country, and you restrict its population, its wealth and its prosperity. I say population because people will come more readily to a country where the conditions of life are good than where they are made bad at least by increasing the price of the commodities they require. Now, Mr. Speaker, I apologise again for having occupied so long a time, but I thought it was only right that my hon. friend's deficiency in the statement as to what the Government should do to prevent the formation of mergers should be supplemented by this economic presentation of the case. There is only one way to deal with the matter, and that is to get rid of a protective tariff.


Mr. E. W. NESBITT (North Oxford):: Mr. Speaker-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Before the hon, member proceeds I must direct the attention of the House to the rule, which is very rigid in its application, that debate on a motion of this kind should be confined strictly to the specific subject under discussion. It would be unfortunate if we should have a Budget debate on this motion.

Mr. NEiSBITT: I assure you, Mr. Speaker, I shall confine myself to the question before the House. I am glad that my hon. friend from Springfield (Mr. Richardson) brought this matter before the House, because if the situation is as serious as he depicts it, there may be room for apprehension. I am one of those persons who are not afraid of big business or big corporations. I think that big corporations, as any one who has had any experience with large business concerns will agree, are capable of turning out goods cheaper in proportion than small corporation's, and therefore I have nothing to say against them. I am opposed to over-capitalization. I think there should be value behind all incorporations; that is to say, there should not be a dollar of stock issued behind which there is not full value. I believe that there is a certain amount of value in goodwill, and this depends on hoiw well the business has been established. It is apparent, I think, that goodwill is sometimes as valuable an asset as anything else, and I am not particularly opposed to the practice of issuing a certain amount of stock as against goodwill. In regard to this particular quev.ion before us, I think it would be wise for the Government to investigate the matter now that it has been brought up, and if it is in their power they should prevent the- issue of what is known as "promotion stock." A great many of these concerns are incorporated and sometimes a large .1 >ck of promotion stock is given to some individua1 or individuals for the purpose of organizing the corporation, and fortunes have been made through this sort of stock. Personally I am strongly opposed to that p notice, but if this corporation has value behind it we should not be afraid of two hundred oi two hundred and seven millions of dollars, or whatever may be the amount wh;ch it is proposed to issue, or even five hundred million dollars. I do not see that there is any reason for anxiety if there is good solid value behind the stock and if these people can show an honest intention to operate on sound business principles. The United States (Steel Corporation has been mentioned. Undoubtedly, when that enterprise was organized a lot of promotion stock was issued, but I will say this for the United States Steel Corporation-for I have dealt *with them for a number of years-that in my opinion there is not an organization in the world that uses its customers more fairly. This corporation is highly honourable in all its dealings and sells goods cheaper than almost any of its opponents. In other words, the United States Steel lHr. Speaker.]
Corporation's goods constitute the standard of the market. Others follow where this corporation leads, and no other Corporation can raise the price of goods hi the United States unless the United States Steel Corporation is willing that this should be done; and my experience has convinced me that these people have no desire to raise prices so long as the cost of production does not warrant any increase. With regard to the remarks of my hon. friend from Red Deer (Mr. Clark) touching the tariff, let me say that neither the United States Steel Corporation nor any of the other steel corporations in that country require any protective tariff. As a matter of fact, they have invaded England for the last five years and have sold their goods right undeT the Englishman's nose in competition with goods -produced in England as well as goods produced in Germany previous to the war.


Michael Clark: Can the hon.
gentleman give to the House any information as to the respective prices charged in England and in the United States?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: The United States steel
corporations charge a little more for their goods over in England by reason of the cost of transmission; but the United States Steel Corporation, I repeat, are labsolutely fair in their business dfealings, and in every part of the world they obtain their business on their merit. I do not know how my hon. friend (Mr. Clark) got his information that there was.an injustice to labour in the operations of these companies in the United States which Worked twelve hours. That mutt have been many years ago when I was a boy, because we know, if we pay any attention to matters of this kind, that the United States Steel Corporation and all other corporations of the kind in the United States work in three shifts of eight hours each when they work full time. That is eight hours for each shift. Some of the large corporations in our country are working three shifts a day.


Michael Clark: I know that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Nesbitt) has one of the fairest minds of any member of this House and that he does not want to incorrectly state my position. He says that he does not know where I got my information. I got my information from a copy of the British Weekly about six weeks ago. I have the sheet cut out and I will produce it, chapter and verse, before the session closes. The article is written by Sir Ernest Hodder Williams, who has been making

periodic visits to the United States to gather information in reference to this question and who gives his United States authority for everything that took place, and everything that is quoted in the article.
Mr. NtESBITT: What I said was that I did not know where my hon. friend's informant got his information in the United States. That is what I said and I will say that it must have been in some secluded spot in the United States where they did not know what was going on in other parts of the United States where they were working their men twelve hours a day. Some of these men might work twelve hours a day but they get additional pay for every hour < they work over eight hours in all large industries in the United States and in all large industries connected with steel in this country.
I have nothing further to say except that I think it is well that this question has arisen and that the Government should investigate very carefully to ascertain whether there is anything in the nature of watered or promotion stock in this enterprise. If they have not good, solid value behind it, and if there is any way to stop it, I would not like it-to go on. There has been too much of this sort of thing in the past. The public have these great corporations thrown before their eyes, they are quoted other corporations that have paid large dividends and by that means they are induced to buy the stock. I do not believe in paternal government in any shape, manner or form but there is a limit to everything and we have a right in certain instances to interfere to see that the great public are not imposed upon. 'I hope, if the Government have the power and there is anything wrong with this corporation, that they will interfere. At the same time we have to bear in mind that this proposition, as planned and written up, has great opportunities for the future. There is no possible doubt what my hon. friend from Toronto (Mir. Bristol) stated, that we have the basic, raw product in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland very close together and that this corporation with the lowest possible carrying charges and the best possible organization can reduce the cost of steel to a very great extent in this country and can also assist the Mother Country in producing steel as it should be produced. We know 4 p.m. that the Mother Country has been in difficulty in competing with the United States in the last few years in the steel industry. But there is no use
in complaining about that. Those of us who have followed the steel business of the world in the last few years know that there has been great difficulty in England in competing with the United States.


Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:: Did I understand my hon. friend to state that no corporation producing steel in the United States could raise their prices unless the United States Steel Corporation decided to do so?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: I meant only by competition.


Joseph Archambault: Does the same
rule apply to the other side of the question; that is the lowering of the price of steel?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Yes; if the United States Steel Corporation lower their prices, naturally on account of competition, the other corporations will have to lower their prices.


Joseph Archambault: But if the United States Steel Corporation decide not to lower their prices the other companies will not be able to lower theirs?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: As it works out the other companies are very willing to raise their prices if the United States Steel Corporation are willing to raise theirs. I did say they are tne standard, or the basis, as it were, and I also said that in my experience I had never known the United States Steel Corporation to raise their prices materially unless they were forced to do so by the additional cost of production.


Joseph Archambault: It is a clear combine then?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Well, you can call it a combine. It was a combine at one time, but it is a great corporation at the present time. It was a combine originally.


Thomas Vien: Mr. Speaker I should not like the debate to close without seeking to remove the impression which may be created by it in the country. That impression is that every big organization, every big corporation, is against the public interest, and that as a result of its existence and operations the prices of commodities are enhanced and increased to the consumer. Combinations are absolutely necessary to-day as they were necessary during the war, and as they have always been necessary in the economic world. If I wanted an example of the necessity of combining for the defence of one's place under the sun I would have no better example to cite to this House than that of the grain growers of the West. Did

they not. find it necessary to combine and to co-operate? I think they did, and in that they did well. Their business last year amounted to millions, and hundreds of millions of dollars, and did they not find it necessary to ask the Government to fix a minimum price for their commodity so as to safeguard their interest in the future. Of course, when the prevailing price in the markets of the world for that commodity, wheat, came up the minimum price fixed by the Government-[DOT]


Mr. GOULD:: Are you sure that they
asked the Government to fix a minimum price?


Thomas Vien: I understand so. I speak subject to correction but I understand that the grain growers of the West wanted a minimum price for wheat to be fixed and a grain board established.


Oliver Robert Gould: Would the hon. gentleman object if I were to set him right? We asked for a maximum price, not a minimum price. The United States price is the minimum.


Thomas Vien: I accept the correction, if it is a correction, but undoubtedly somebody asked the Government to fix a minimum price for wheat and if the Government fixes a minimum price for wheat it was surely not the consumer in Canada who asked that a minimum price be fixed. Somebody did ask that a minimum price be fixed. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Gould) siays_ "no," that nobody asked that a minimum price be fixed for wheat. Then who did induce the Gov-eminent to fix a minimum price for wheat?


Levi Thomson: The Government has not fixed a minimum price for wheat.


An hon. MEMBER:: It has.


Thomas Vien: I meant for last year. Will the hon. gentleman say that no minimum price was ever fixed?


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: There is no objection to the hon. member (Mr. Vien) referring, in the course of his remarks and by way of illustration, to the fixing of a price for wheat. But a debate on the price of wheat is certainly not germane to the question before the House.


Thomas Vien: I am quite ready to abide by your ruling, Mr. Speaker; but I was drawn into that discussion by the interrogations put by my hon. friend. If he questions the exactness of my statement as to the fixing of a minimum price for wheat, I am compelled to state that to the best of my recollection the Government last year, if not 
this year, fixed a minimum price, which was removed when the current market price rose above that minimum. But I never heard that the grain growlers asked the Government to fix a maximum price beyond which their wheat could not be sold.
I was illustrating the fact, Mr. Speaker, that big combinations are necessary for the western grain growers, as big combinations are necessary to defend our economic "place under the sun." My hon. friend from Red Deer mentioned a minute ago that such a combination as the British Empire Steel Corporation would enhance the price of steel to the consumer. I think my hon. friend is wrong in that respect. Does he imagine that if we had no steel industry in this country steel would sell at a lower price? I submit, Sir, as a result of the better organization of our steel interests, such a competition will be created in this country that the price of steel will be reduced. I quite appreciate that if this new combination were asking the Government for an increase in the tariff to protect their industry the price of the commodity would be enhanced to that extent. But that is not the question. I do not believe that in connection with this merger it has ever been mentioned that those connected with it would ask for higher protection.


Michael Clark: They have got it now.


Thomas Vien: On the contrary, Sir, I think that the only way of putting steel on the Canadian market at a lower price to the consumer is to insure the life of our steel industry, ahd to do that there must be combination. We have the example of the United States Steel Corporation,-and* some hon. members have cited that corporation to show how stocks are watered in the United States. But, Sir, if our Canadian industries do not combine they will not be able to defend even their home market. On account of the huge profits made during the war by the United States Steel Corporation their capital investment is practically written off; that is to say, they are so strong financially that they can reduce their fixed and overhead charges to a minimum. Therefore unless our steel interests combine with other steel interests in the British Empire to defend their commodity on the home market and to take their place in the markets of the world in competition with the United States Steel Corporation, our steel industry cannot live. We have coal, we have iron ore, we have rolling

mills-we have everything necessary, to build up a big steel industry that will be able tc hold Its own in the markets of the world; and unless we apply all our efforts to developing that industry, adopting the methods that have proved successful in other countries, it is absolutely doomed.
As a result of this combination I think the Brit'sh Empire Steel Corporation will be in a position financially and economically to compete in the world's markets with the United States Steel Corporation. And it is important that our exports should be greatly increased, otherwise we will never be able to pay off the huge debt that this country has incurred in bringing the war to a victorious conclusion. But how are we to develop our exports if whenever a corporation is organized on a big scale somebody jumps up and says: "Here is a corporation which is going to exploit the poor [DOT]consumer again." The hon, gentleman who preceded me was absolutely right when he said that we should see to it that no watered stock is allowed. But according to the laws of this country no watered stock can be issued.


Mr. W. F. MACLEAN:: What about the paper companies; is there no watered stock there?


Thomas Vien: If my hon. friend thinks there is watered stock in the capitalization of our paper companies, he can set the law in motion against them. But this has nothing to do with the question before the House. I am simply trying to convey to hon. members the idea that we should not cast a slur on any corporation that is organized just because its capitalization runs into the millions. I do not believe that hon. members who have advocated an investigation of the organization under discussion have shown to this House any irregularity in connection therewith. It should not. be blocked or criticized simply because it has a capitalization of $500,000,000. If we want to oppose such an organization we should be able to prove that there is something fundamentally wrong in its formation, but we have heard nothing that would warrant an investigation of this British Empire Steel Corporation. I think that we should give to the men who have initiated such a huge undertaking due credit for their courage and for the spirit of enterprise which they have manifested in furthering a project which iwill surely he greatly beneficial to this country.


Joseph Archambault: Is my hon. friend ware that this merger will acquire practically all the coal deposits in Nova Scotia, amounting to over ten billion tons?


Thomas Vien: This merger will not control the coal deposits of Nova Scotia to any greater degree than they are controlled by the coal companies which manage them at the present time.


Joseph Archambault: Does my hon.
friend believe that the bringing about of this merger will reduce the price of coal in this country?	'


Thomas Vien: I think so.


Joseph Archambault: How?


Thomas Vien: My hon. friend laughs. I
think I can prove to him, however, that this merger will reduce the price not only of coal, but also of steel. It will reduce the price of coal by wiping out large overhead expenses and fixed charges. The combination will co-ordinate the management of these various companies and wipe out many expenses which are necessary when different companies are separately managed. I think, Sir, that the combine which is now proposed will have the effect of reducing to the consumer the prices of the commodities which will be produced by it. We should not cast any imputation upon any big business which is organized in this country. W e should give credit to business men who put their money into such an enterprise and who invite foreign capital to come to Canada to be used in the promotion of our industries and in the development of our natural resources. We have had coal and steel in our land for hundreds of years; the trouble has been that our coal and steel industries have not been developed to a sufficient degree. The organization now proposed will, I think, meet this requirement of our Canadian industries and will have the effect of offering to the consumer at a cheaper price the commodities of which we stand in need.


Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:: Mr. Speaker-


George Eulas Foster: Perhaps hon. members
will permit me to intervene for a moment, at this stage in the interests of economy of time if for nothing else.
The hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. M. Clark) harked back to the old, familiar fighting ground of the national policy and free trade and all the subjects connected therewith. I do not propose to go in that direction at this particular time, though as an old warrior myself in these fields the reminiscences which he evoked raised a bit ot

the warlike spirit in me. But I shall restrain myself until another occasion, and if I restrain myself may I ask the House to restrain itself as well, because just as sure as fate, all these arguments will be brought up again next week when we are upon the Budget,-there now, I have really said something, haven't I?-and they will lose much of their freshness at that time from having been aired in the House on this occasion. So in the interests of all of us I would counsel the House to reserve the particularly argumentative points connected with free trade and with national policy and with tariff rates until we are in the proper field for that work. That, I think, would help us to economize our time and to get through with our business.
My hon. friend from Springfield (Mr. Richardson) was perfectly within his right in directing the attention of the Government and of the House to what seemed to him a danger threatening in the capitalization of a company about which the papers were talking and with reference to which speeches were being made in the country. That company is not yet incorporated. It has applied for incorporation. It can only get incorporation through coming to Parliament for an Act or through the facilities afforded by the Companies Act. Its application is before the Government. The Government are looking very carefully into the grounds upon which the application is made. Before my hon. friend from Springfield brought it to their attention- we thank him just the same for bringing it to our attention-the Government had been looking into the matter and will make a very thorough inquiry into it preceding the granting of the papers for which the company are applying.
I have only one more word to say, and that is this: Whatever may be the extent of our natural resources, we also need capital in this country for their development, and we musit -be reasonable in trying to join the two together as far as we possibly can. Before we raise a cry against the corning of capital into this country we must be pretty sure that we are on reasonably good grounds as to the basis upon which that capital proposes to come in. Now, that will be all threshed out in the application for the papers and in the action of the Government upon the applications which have been made. I do not want to shut off any member from the expression of his opinion, *but I would just place before them the question whether, this m-uch having been said, we may not better reserve the rest 
of our fire until the Budget has been brought down and we get on the old, familiar and much-loved fighting ground.


Frank S. Cahill: If it is the opinion of the Government that it would be not in the public interest to grafat this charter, have they any means now of preventing the Secretary of State from granting it?


George Green Foster: If it is found in the course of the investigation that the granting of this application will be prejudicial to the interests of the country, the Government either has means of its own or, relying upon the good sense of this House, it can get power from the House to see that the public interests are thoroughly protected.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: Mr. Speaker, while I appreciate what the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster) has said, I feel that the thanks of this House are due to the hon. member for Springfield for bringing this matter before the House, and that I should at least say a few words on this occasion.
I am confident that the Government should make a thorough investigation of this whole merger. I feel also that this merger should have been compelled to come before Parliament' for a charter instead of going to the Secretary of State and saying: Well, we would rather pay you $100,000 and get the charter from you than go before the House and get it for only $50,000. Then, there is another matter which is worthy of consideration.


Thomas Vien: Will my hon. friend permit me a question? Why make an exception to the rule so far as this company is concerned?


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: This project
is undertaken to bring together several of the large combinations of capital in this country and to make pf them the second largest merger in the Empire.


Thomas Vien: In the world.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: In the world, that is right. My hon. friend (Mr. Vien) says that they are perfectly justified in undertaking the work. He believes in mergers, in big combinations. He says we shall get cheaper steel products and cheaper rates. Let me call attention of the hon. gentleman to the fact that the very gentleman who is at the head of this merger, Colonel Morden, is the man who organized the Canada Steamship lines into the com-

bination in which they are to-day. What is the Tesult of his merger? It is that rates on our inland waters and our ocean-going vessels have doubled and trebled and quadrupled.
Let us look at these things in a practical, commonsense way. How did they come to make this tremendous capital that they now have and to be able to pay the interest on the money? They claim to-day in their annual statement that they have a capital investment of $44,500,000 and they have a surplus of $6,700,000, and the money to pay our dividends on this has been taken out of the people in the way of excessive freight rates. The hon. member for Toronto Centre (Mr. Bristol) said the other night that a few years years ago the capital investment amounted to $16,000,000. I am not going to argue that point with him today, although I am prepared to say that the bulk of that was water. But the position is that a capital of $16,000,000 of a few years ago has increased until it is now $44,500,000 with a surplus of $6,700,000. What is this same company being put into this merger at? The other day this same watered stock was being sold for about eighty cents because of the profits this company was able to make on account of excessive freight rates, and they place this same stock into this merger at $1; with 45 cents of common stock thrown in, all this being added to the value of what was already watered stock. I do not dare to refer to a previous debate, but it is a matter that is worthy of the attention of this Government.
The hon. member for Red Deer (Mr. M. Clark) speaks about the tariff, saying that the tariff has had everything to do with this matter. If he will look into the excessive freight rates that are being charged on the water-borne traffic of this country, both coming and going to our shores, he will find a much more vital question to deal with than even the tariff question in connection with the benefits that should accrue to the people of this country. I might also call his attention to the fact that in free trade England he will find accounts of large mergers that have been lately con-sumated in that country.
I rose particularly to call the attention of the Government to the fact that the time has come when we should investigate these mergers instead of permitting them to say that they have a capital of $207,000,000, and that they are going to put in enough watered stock or common stock to make up $500,000,000. The other $200,000,000 is
nothing but water, and they will compel the people of Canada to pay increased water rates and increased freight rates on steel and nails and everything else that goes into this combination, and they will see, no doubt, that the interest is paid on this watered stock as well as on the other.
It is not my intention to take up any more of the time of the House, but I hope the [DOT] Government will thoroughly investigate this question.


Frank S. Cahill: Mr. Speaker, I should like to have asked the hon. member for Toronto Centre (Mr. Bristol) if, when he was quoting the assets of these various companies, he had gone back for two or three years and taken the assets at that date. He .stated that the assets amounted to over $400,000,000. If the Government would take the combined assets of these companies, say two or three years ago, I think they would find that they have an excellent opportunity of getting .some revenue for the treasury of this country. If the assets have increased as much as they apparently have, the Government have not been getting a sufficient amount of the increased earnings from those companies, and before the leader oi the Government grants this charter, it would be well fox him to find out what the real assets of these companies were a few years ago, because it iis well known to all promoters that you can value, say the coal in a mine at anywhere from ten cents to a dollar a ton; that you can value vacant land or timber limits or any of the assets of this combination at any amount you wish. If their valuation three years ago was $400,000,000 and they are going to put their stocks into the merger at that amount,
I do not know that'I would have any great objection to the combination if it is going to be able to produce something to better advantage than it is being produced now. There is no more reason to my mind why a company should not have a capital of $500,000,000, if that capital is neocessary to do the business than why a company should not have a capital of a million dollars if that amount of capital is necessary. But I do not like this promotion business, and the Government should be very careful about granting a charter to any combination of promoters whereby they may be able to increase the cost of living to the people of this country and keep down the wages, because, after all, when the combination is formed of all the steel magnates of the country, competition for labour is practically gone and the workers will not

be able to change from one position to another if the first position does not suit them. When these people get this combination for the production of steel, they will be in a position to dictate prices, just as the United States Steel Corporation did until prices became so high that other companies were able to produce steel and steel products in competition iwith them. Those companies did that while they were small, and when they got larger, they also formed combinations just as the Bethlehem Steel Company did. This merger is not for the benefit of the people; it is for the benefit of the persons who organize it and put theii money into it, and these persons are organizing it solely for their selfish benefit. That is only human nature after all, but it is the business of this Parliament and this Government to see that these mergers are not oppressive on the people. If the Government find that they have $400,000,000 worth of assets, as I very much doubt-I do not care who the appraiser is-and it they find that the assets have been written *up, say $200,000,000 in the last three years, it would be the business of the Government to see that they get a good fair share of the excess profits that they should have had instead of allowing them to issue watered stock. If the Government find that the assets are absolutely worth the money; that the companies have paid their fair share of taxation during the last few years and that this combination of shipping, coal and iron industries is not going to be a -hardship on the people, then the merger might be all right; but certainly it is the business of the Government to see that, if at all possible, no more watered stock is issued in this country, because twe have had far too much of it already. We are dipping into the treasury to-day to pay interest on w'atered stock, to pay deficits of companies on account of watered stock. While we may not find this company coming to Parliament for assistance, the money nfust be paid by the Canadian people just the same, and it does not matter whether this combination takes the money out of the [DOT]treasury or in some other way. It is the interest of the Government to protect the interest of the common people of this country, and the interest of the common people is not being safeguarded by this merger.	,	*.


William Findlay Maclean: Mr. Speaker, I wish to direct the attention of the leader of the Government (Sir Robert Borden) and the leader of the House (Sir George Foster) to the point raised by the IMr. Cahill.I
hon. member for Lambton East (Mr. J. E. Armstrong), which point I will present in a somewhat different way. I am a believer in public ownership and public control of the transportation facilities of this country, and that applies to railways as well as to steamship lines. This Government, as a Government, has em-barked-with its credit, with its legislation, and with its assistance-upon the creation of a great oceanic marine. We are putting hundreds of millions into that, and we are intending to put more. We are creating in this country to-day what has been described as the greatest merger we ever had in Canada. I am not raising the question now, in regard to this merger, as to its application to the production of steel. I believe in the production of steel. I believe Canada ought to be one of the greatest steel and iron producing countries in the world; but merged with this proposition to-day is a marine company that we know something of and which has been discussed in this House before.


Mr. LAPOINTE:: Would my hon. friend permit me? Did he say he would be in favour of public ownership of water transportation?


William Findlay Maclean: Certainly, and we have it now. I hope my hon. friend will not be offended with the information that the Government of Canada is to-day embarking upon the creation of a great oceanic marine, to be allied and associated with the railway transportation of this country and the National railway.


Ernest Lapointe: Yes, but we are not
nationalizing private companies.


William Findlay Maclean: Yes, we are.
We are creating to-day a great oceanic marine which is largely the property of Canada. We have subsidized it, we have put our money into it, we have provided steel plates for it, we have encouraged the production of steel ships in this country. Now I want to warn the Government-and I want to direct the attention of the right hon. gentleman who leads the House to the matter, after what he said to-day-I want to warn the Government to exercise the greatest possible care in connection with this matter. Why should transportation-oiie of the fundamental interests of this country-be mixed up with the production of steel ? Why not limit this merger to the coal and iron resources of Canada? I say there is a menace in this merger in the association of transportation with steel and iron. I only

wish the Minister of Marine was in the Chamber at the moment. I gathered from his manner at an earlier stage of the proceedings that he looked favourably on this idea of a merger iir connection with iron and coal. That may be right, but I enter my protest-as one who has taken some interest in the transportation problem in this country, and I think I speak for some of the Canadian people-against the transportation facilities of this country being associated with the great steel and coal merger. And especially I want to make this prophecy at the present time: One of the menaces of transportation in this country, and one of the great menaces of the big oceanic marine which we are now creating, will come from this steel merger. They will not stop, after their success in connection with merging the inland marine of Canada, until they get control of the national marine that we are now creating; and I want to advise the Government that when they are investigating this thing fully-and they propose to investigate it fully-that they inquire whether it is necessary to menace .the ocean marine that we are now establishing with the opposition of a greater merger that primarily has for its object the production of iron and steel. Of course it will be said "So much the better for the country. I we get a great merger that will undertake to make iron and steel plentiful in' this country and if they choose to go into the building of ships, all well'and good." But I do not like that idea. I do not want to see a company created under the Companies Act of this country to compete with the greatest interest that we have in Canada to-day, that of transportation, without getting that authorization from Parliament when the whole question could be opened up and discussed in this House.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I should like to join with other members in expressing appreciation to the hon. member for Springfield (Mr. Richardson) for bringing to the attention of Parliament, and particularly to the attention of the Government, the significance of this vast industrial enterprise which is now being promoted, and which has a possible far-reaching bearing upon the well-being of different classes in this country. If it has served no other purpose than to bring forth from the Acting Prime Minister the assurance that the Government, at the present time, is carefully looking into this proposed merger, and if I gathered aright the words of my right hon. friend (Sir George Foster) that no charter will be granted unless the
Government is fully satisfied that public interests are going to be adequately protected -I think the purpose the hon. gentleman had in view will have been well met. It is to be remembered we are living in an age of industrial competition. It is no longer a matter of competition between one industry and another industry, between one country and another country; industrial competition has now got to a stage where there is 'competition, one might almost say, as between continent and continent throughout the world. The fact that these very large developments are part of the inevitable trend of economic development in our day makes it absolutely imperative that there should be the fullest publicity possible as to the significance and the possible bearings of such vast combinations when proposed in this country. I feel that it is well, inasmuch as this proposal is to the fore at the present time, that gentlemen who are connected therewith, as well as the country itself, should be apprised more fully, than I believe is the case, of a statute respecting combines and mergers which is a part of the law of Canada at the present .time, but which has not yet received the attention throughout the country that I think it should have received. The Act was drafted largely in view of the possibility of these vast commercial and industrial organizations being created in accordance with the trend of the times, and was passed by this Parliament in 1910. It is known as an Act to provide for the investigation of combines, monopolies, trusts and mergers, or by its short title, as the Combines Investigation Act. My purpose in bringing this Act to the attention of Parliament at the moment is that the people of Canada may know it is open to any six individuals who are in a position to make out a prima facie case before any judge of a high court in Canada to the effect that a merger exists which is about to enhance prices or restrain trade, or operate otherwise to the disadvantage of the public-to compel a full investigation into all the circumstances of the merger-into its possible baneful influences

and that the law provides where consequences of the kind are shown, means .whereby the Government itself, of its own motion, may take the necessary steps to protect the public interests.


William Findlay Maclean: Do I understand the leader of the Opposition to say that it is better to deal with the evil after it has happened than to try and provide a cure for it-to prevent the occurrence before it

really happens? Because that is the question at issue to-day, and my hon. friend is not dealing with it.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: My position at the moment is the very one that I think my hon. friend has in mind, that namely of trying to prevent evils from arising. I think when the provisions of this statute are fully known they will constitute one of the best guarantees it is possible for the country to have against the possible inimical effects of large combinations. There are evils which publicity will cure much more effectively than .penalty, and the evils arising from industrial combinations are, I believe, of that nature. Now my purpose in making the few remarks I am at the moment is that I would like the gentlemen connected with this proposed industrial organization to understand that it is not only open to the Government of Canada to investigate the affairs of this merger, but that it is open to any six individuals in this country to place upon a board .of investigation some one nominated by themselves who will hold a position akin to that of a judge of a high court and have power to compel the production of documents, summon witnesses, take evidence under oath, and prepare a report upon the bearings of the combination in its social, industrial, financial and other aspects. I believe it is helping to prevent possible evil arising out of large combinations to have the existence of such a law fully known, and it is opportune in order that, on the one hand, gentlemen connected with a large business enterprise of this kind may know what to expect if they exceed what is right and proper in industrial relations, and on the other hand, that some feeling of security and safety may be afforded the public at a moment when any large business development of this kind is proposed. The statute to which I refer is 9-10 Edward VII, Chapter Nine. It was passed by this Parliament in May, 1910. It is known as the Combines Investigations Act, and it Telates particularly to any business in the nature of a trust, monopoly or a merger. I shall not take up the time of the House by reading any of the provisions of the Act. I simply wish to place myself on record as one who feels very strongly that wherever there is any increase in the size of a business organization there should go with -it an increase of opportunity for the fullest publicity on the part of the community and of all individuals who may be directly or indirectly concerned.


John Allister Currie: I
have no desire to protract the debate, as the time is approaching when we shall have an opportunity of discussing, in the consideration of the Budget, a great many of the questions that have arisen this afternoon. The matter that has been brought to the attention of the House by the hon. member for Springfield is one which, to my mind, should be given ample attention. It strikes me that the Government are virtually out of court so far as they may attempt to deal with this matter. The company is applying for a charter under the Dominion Companies Act and this country will be benefited to the tune of $100,000 on account of that charter. It is quite true that the company could get a private Bill through the House for possibly less money, but the company and its promoters are not confined to the Dominion Government in their application for charter. They can go to my one of the provinces of Canada, which all have Companies Acts almost identical with the Dominion Act, and this company could get more favourable terms for its charter from any one of the provinces than from the Dominion. So that So far as that is concerned, I do not think that this Government would be justified in refusing to grant the charter, nor should they compel the company to do anything which they should not necessarily have to do. But not only has the company the option of applying to any of the provinces for a charter; it, can go to Great Britain and obtain its chapter under the Companies Act Imperial, which is identical with our Act. And there is no reason that I can see why the company could not go there. The Dominion Government will therefore have only restricted ground for the exercise of their prerogative in dealing with this matter, and the only question which they have to decide is whether op not it is in the public interest that the charter should be granted.
Having paid some attention to the capitalization of these companies-I am not personally interested in this matter-I feel that this corporation is acting very modestly. A great deal has been said this afternoon in regard to the question of values. Now, values are of two kinds, so far as 3/ company of this kind is concerned. There is a value which might mean the original investment, and there is also a value which is placed upon an asset as an earning proposition. The assets that are to be brought into this company are all splendid earners and in nearly every case the stock is paying good dividends. There appears to be good value in the assets, and there does not

seem to be a tremendous amount of watei in their capitalization. But in the capitalization of many companies, the so-called "water" sometimes proves to be very strong. Let us take some Canadian companies. Take the case of the Canadian Pacific railway, for instance. Every dollar of its common stock was watered when it was issued, but those who were interested in the enterprise were confident that they could make that company earn dividends for the common stock, and having stuck to it they have been richly rewarded. The same is true in regard to a number of other companies. I might mention the steamboat merger olf a few years ago. A number of farmers invested their savings in a small steamship which earned 3 per cent per annum, and from that undertaking they were able to purchase a larger steamer, and the year before they entered the steamboat merger the earnings which those people were rceiving amounted to 80 per cent. Those earnings represented not exactly the amount of fixed capital first invested, but the amount which the assets had been able to earn. As regards those steamships, the fact that they have merged has had nothing to do with the excessive freight rates. My hon. friend from Lambton (Mr. Armstrong) if he knows anything in connection with shipping, must be perfectly aware that the war has destroyed a great many ships, and that the freight rates of ships that operated throughout the war, even if the ships made large earnings, were entirely at the mercy of the Government. The earnings of the steamship lines on the Great Lakes were under the control of the Government, as the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster) who was then in charge of the Department might tell the House. And while they have made large earnings, they have increased the assets from time 'to time. I can remember when I first came into this House In 1908, and even as far back as 1900, that the number of iron ships owned by Canada could be counted on the fingers of one hand, but men had faith in the shipping industry and Canadians invested their money until to-day they have a magnificent fleet. The original investment in this steamship company amounted to something like $100,000, and operations were begun with two or three wooden ships. The enterprise has grown with time, and now we see a great fleet. I think that most of the men connected with that fleet are still with this company, and I believe that the interests of the public will be well preserved in every dollar that is put into the new corporation.
With reference to the suggestion that the new proposition is in the nature of a monopoly, contrary to the expressed views of the House it may surprise a good many hon. members to know that the United States Steel Corporation for years have been selling steel at least from 15 to 20 per cent below all their rivals in the United States.
*I hold in my hand a copy of the Iron Age of last week, and I shall quote one paragraph for the information of the House. It deals with a line of business in which I am interested, and I believe that hon. members will be interested in the facts which I shall cite. The paragraph in question appears at page 1262 of this publication and is dated Pittsburgh, April 29:
We quote wire nails at $3.25 base, this being the price of the American Steel and Wire Co., and $4 base on the new card recently issued by four or five of the independent mills. We quote bright basic wire at $3, this being the price of the American Steel and Wire Co., and $3.50, this being the price of most of the independent mills.
This absolutely upsets all the preconceived notions of hon. members who have dealt with this question without any knowledge of the subject. This is only one line of business, and in regard to other lines, such as plates, sheets, etc., that are produced by the United States Steel Corporation, the same proportion obtains. Hon. members may ask, why do not the independents quote the same price as the United States Steel Corporation? The United States Steel Corporation can only fill a tonnage of about fifty per cent of the total market, and the result is that those who are not fortunate enough to get on the books of the United States Steel Corporation for the products at these low prices have to pay the independents a higher price. A few days ago I had the pleasure of going through a number of plants in the United States that are interested in the manufacture of steel. I have also gone through the plants interested in this merger, and I thoroughly understand their situation and know what the possibilities are.
Of all the corporations in the world there is no other steel corporation that would have any greater assets in the matter of' raw material, coal and iron than this will. The United States Steel Corporation have great assets but they pale into insignificance when compared with the assets of this company. What is the trouble with our steel corporations in Nova Scotia at the present time: It is lack of capital to increase their producing capacity. 1 was in a large mill in Youngstown, Ohio, a few days ago where

they produce sheets for the manufacture of automobile bodies. The plant was fully a quarter of a mile long, with mill after mill, ranged like desks with a man working in front of each, and the mill manager told me that they made enough profit for the corporation that owned it to pay for the mill once a month. We have not $5,000,000 or $10,000,000 in this country to put into these corporations. If somebody proposes to put that amount of money into a corporation here a question will be raised in this House or some place else. This corporation will have hundreds of millions of capital to put into plants of this kind to produce sheets. They are producing plates now but they had to get the assistance of the Government to help them before they could do it. The so-called steel cor-5 p.m. porations in Canada may have been wisely managed but they have been up against great difficulties and the greatest of these has been the lack ot capital.
The only question that may arise under the statute which has been referred to by my hon. friend the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) is the question ol restraint of trade. There is no restraint oi trade in so far as the steel corporation ot the United States is concerned. For the last six or seven years the United States 'Steel Corporation has been threatening to build a plant in Canada that would put the Canadian plants out of business. They have projected a plant at Windsor where they propose to expend $50,000,000 or $60,000,000, where they are going to duplicate all our fabricating plants, and the result will be that all our Canadian plants wil be put out of business. In the interest of self protection these industries in the east must of necessity come together and form themselves into one large corporation.
There are other large steel corporations in Canada. The Steel Company of Canada is not in this corporation so far and it is a large producer. The Algoma Steel Company is not of this corporation; so that there are several independents outside of this corporation altogether.
What is this corporation going to do: Great Britain is running short of iron ore and it can almost see the end of its coal measures. Of necessity that country, which is producing finished material in the way of steel, has been purchasing its iron ore, some of it from one of these companies in Newfoundland and some from iSpain, Norway and other countries. But these other countries are adopting the policy of- com-
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pelling the British companies to manufacture the steel where they get the ore just the same as the state of Minnesota has taken the United States Steel Corporation by the throat and said: "You cannot take ore out of the state of Minnesota unless you build a plant and manufacture steel here." The result is that the United States Steel Corporation has had to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in establishing a steel plant at Duluth. Foreign countries are threatening to compel Great Britain to manufacture in these countries.
The other great source of iron and steel is India and one of the corporations that it is proposed to bring into this merger is a corporation in India where they manufacture pig-iron cheaper than they can do it in any other place in the world. Mr. Farrell, President of the Steel Corporation, was examined by a committee of Congress in Washington and he was asked various questions with reference to the manufacture of iron and steel. He was asked if the United States Steel Corporation could not manufacture iron and steel in competition with and cheaper than, any other country in the world and he turned and pointed out to them that there were two companies in India who -were large iron and steel producers and that they could produce pig-iron at less than $7 per ton whereas the steel * corporation could not produce it-this was some years ago-at less than $15 or $16.
Bear in mind that at the present time steel is selling for much higher prices than it has been for many years the reason being the scarcity of that commodity. For four years the greatest nations in the world were destroying all the steel they possibly could get hold of and not one pound of that steel comes back to the furnaces. They were blowing steel into the air by the thousands of tons daily and none of it will ever come back. Ordinarily a large percentage of steel used in commerce returns again in the form of scrap but a large proportion of the steel used in shells during the war was destroyed, it was blown into the air, it is now buried underneath the ground and it cannot be recovered. It is therefore not difficult to understand why the prices of steel should be high.
Objection has been taken to the fact that this corporation is going into transportation.
It is well known that the ore deposits are in Newfoundland and Belle Isle and that the coal and furnaces are in Nova Scotia. We are bringing this raw material from Newfoundland to Nova Scotia, we are converting it into iron steel by Canadian workmen

and Canadian capital and we are going to produce the iron and steel of the world. If these furnaces and these plants at Sydney, Nova Scotia, were properly provided with all the wealth of the United States Steel Corporation you would very soon see that their output would be quadrupled-yes, increased by 500 per cent. That is what we expect is going to happen now. It will benefit this country in the matter of exchange. With regard to transportation, if they had to bring the ore from Newfoundland to Nova Scotia, necessarily, they must have ships. Then, they expect to distribute their products to the four corners of the globe, because Canada can compete with other countries in steel products. This corporation will be badly handicapped unless it controls its own transportation. I noticed by the Iron Age that there is a shortage of 150,000 tons of iron and steel in the United States caused by iack of transportation. The Steel Corporation of the United States is dependent on transportation by rail for its ore and coal and these small, petty strikes that are occurring in the railway world are tying up its furnaces. The result is that there is a shortage. This emphasizes the importance of this company being provided with its own ships to handle its ore and finished products so as to place itself beyond the danger of having its operations tied up through lack of transportation.
I think it will be a sufficient answer to the question that is raised with regard to prices to point out that the policy of corporations such as the United States Steel Corporation has always been to undersell its rivals and that it has done so by some 15 or 20 per cent. That is a well known principle to everybody who is in the steel business. The hon. member for Brantford (Mr. Cockshutt) knows that is true. This illustrates the fact that the public derives some benefit from corporations of this kind.
I am satisfied that unless a merger of this kind is consummated now, and all these Canadian companies pass into the hands of a large Canadian corporation, such as is proposed, it is only a matter of five or ten years until the United States Steel Corporation will own every one of them. Just picture to yourself that great corporation with its enormous capital establishing a large plant at Windsor, Ontario. It has its own sources of ore, its own coal and coke, it can produce and manufacture cheaper and with its enormous capital it can control the price and force the Canadian companies out of the market. It is neither in their interests nor in the 125
interests of this country that this should occur. As long as the company looks after the investment of the Canadian people in these mines and furnaces I think we should be satisfied. If this company were buying up these plants in order to close them down or move them to some foreign country, we might very well object, but evidently the intention is to increase the output of these plants, I think we would be acting against the best interests of this country were we to refuse the charter, because I believe in the end the earnings of this corporation will be made in Canada. Supose this corporation earns big dividends on its capital, the production of which those dividends are earned will go into the markets of the world, and every dollar will help to reduce our enormous debt due to the war. And unless we make up our minds to put more money into our factories and increase our output generally-and our manufactured products represent one-half of our exports'-there is no help for us in the future.
I am sorry that my hon. friend from Red Deer is not in his place. He cries .aloud that the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. Where did we hear that sound before? We have heard this socialistic talk from Fournier and Karl Marx down to Lenine and Trotsky. It is the same cry against capitalism. I hate to think that my hon. friend belongs to the Reds, and I hope we will not hear any more of that bunkum talk in this House, nor any more of that cheap form of political economy with which he endeavours to enlighten us from time to time. If I were going to discuss the question of wages in Great Britain as compared with those in Pittsburg, I could find dozens of books in the library with parallel columns of figures. Here is the Speaker's Handbook for 1919-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order.


John Allister Currie: Mr. Speaker, I am not
going to make my Budget speech, so do not be alarmed. But in a moment I could quote parallel columns of wages paid in the United States as compared with wages paid in Canada. However, if the hon. member for Red Deer were making a funeral oration he would always end it by a diatribe against the tariff.
I think I have met the objections with reference to the question now before the House. The tariff does not enter into this question, because the corporation will expect to do the largest amount of its business in foreign countries. And the only



way that I can see of putting the products of our great iron and steel resources on the foreign market is by increasing the capital in our steel companies and building more mills so that we can employ more men and produce more materials. As far as the granting of the. oharter is concerned, I am sure that the gentlemen connected with this company cannot but merit the approval of the (House. I understand that Mr. Beardmore, the well-known steel magnate, is one of the directors, and associated with him are Mr. Boy Wolvin-one of our brightest young men-Mr. Elkins-a member of this House-and Sir Trevor Dawson, of the firm of Vickers, Limited. I understand that five of the greatest steel corporations in the world outside of the United States will be associated in this merger. Therefore if we have the principal part of their production in Canada it will all be for the good of the country, and I do not think we can make the slightest objection to the granting of this charter.
With reference to other corporations that have come here seeking charters, one of the greatest in the world to-day is the Imperial Oil Company, which is virtually the Standard Oil Company. It is a Canadian corporation and has expended hundreds of thousands of dollars in" Canadian plants, and has been in every way friendly to this country. Therefore I do not like the attitude of some hon. members who are constantly complaining against capitalists. It does seem to me as if at the present moment there w.as a crusade against our manufacturers. What will this country do, what will our men who have returned from the war do, what will those who cannot work on the farms do if we are going to close all our mills and factories and deny any rights to our people to put more capital into Canadian companies so that they may enlarge their operations and increase production? I cannot see what is to be gained by pursing such a course. I think this corporation in asking the Dominion for a oharter has made a concession, because it could very well have got a charter from Nova Scotia, Quebec, Ontaria, or from any of the other provinces. I used to be in favour of granting charters for the building of railways-not so much for the building of those railways that we have had to carry-and in the old days there was always a sheaf of independent railway companies making application every day for twenty or .thirty charters, and the Government took the money and granted the charters, .the Minister of
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Railways usually saying: The Government wants the money and we will take it and grant the charters. Those were the days of free trade in charters. But we did not lose anything by that: I do not think more than 10 miles of independent railroad were built during those days, but the country benefited largely by the fees. And in this case the country will also benefit by the fees. But the men associated with this corporation are, to my mind, men who can virtually guarantee the success of the undertaking, for every one of them is a specialist in his own line of business. For instance, there is to-day no greater transportation authority so far as steamships are concerned on the North American continent than Mr. Wolvin; Sir Trevor Dawson is a man of great scientific attainments and is at the head of the well known firm of Vickers in the Old Country; Mr. Beard-more's name is a household word so far as the iron and steel industry is concerned. In fact, so far as I can see, nothing but good can come from this so-called merger.
The only thing that the Government will have to keep an eye on is to see that as much of this product as possible shall be manufactured in 'Canada rather than that the ore and coal be sent abroad. We should fabricate as much of the steel as possible in this country. The one great province that will need this steel for fabrication is Ontario. .-We have no steel industry there native to the province, but we have vast resources of iron ore which some day will be developed, and we will have a real industry using our own raw materials. The extension of the Hydro-Electric enterprise has made it possible for us to fabricate iron and steel more cheaply than any other place in the world, and naturally we would look with a jealous eye at any attempt to take our raw materials out of the country and give us nothing in return. We suffered for a long time in respect to our timber resources, all our timber being taken over to the United States in log form, and the only beneficiaries by the transfer were the black bass that swam under the logs! Finally that great free trader, Sir George Boss, said the province would not allow any more of our timber to go over to the United States in log form, and that one act conferred millions of dollars on the people of Ontario; in fact, it was the most effective stroke of policy in favour of protection that we have ever had. The same thing is happening with our pulp timber, and if we allowed our friends to the south of us they would take all that timber over to

their own country instead of manufacturing it into pulp on this side of the line. I hope the minister will get a pledge from the British Empire Steel 'Corporation that they will not beggar our manufacturers by taking all our raw material away.
I am very thankful to the hon. member for Springfield (Mr. Richardson) for bringing this matter before the House, as I am sure we all are, because this discussion is not lost on the country.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Mr. Speaker, practically the whole of this enterprise being in the county of Cape Breton, which I represent in part, I feel that I should say a word on the subject before the discussion closes.
I do not think that there is such a strong feeling abroad in this country against capital as my hon. friend (Mr. Currie) seems to believe. At all events, that is not the feeling in the part of the country from which I come. We are very well disposed toward capital, but we want to have capital well harnessed so that it shall be a servant rather than a master. I am sure that the very excellent legislature of Nova Scotia will see to it that this vast addition to capital now contemplated will also' be the servant of the people and will serve the same good purpose that investments of this character have served in the past.
It has been said that the capitalization [DOT]of this concern is going to be very large. I do not know whether the hon. member for Springfield (Mr. Richardson) knows the county of Cape Breton or knows the immense deposits of coal that are involved in [DOT]this merger. If he did, perhaps he would hesitate before complaining about the capitalization. We have in the island of Cape Breton the greatest virgin deposit of coal, [DOT]perhaps, to be found in the world, and certain features connected with these coal [DOT]deposits aTe certainly absent anywhere else in the world, except possibly in England. We have a deep navigable waterway following these coal seams around the shores of the province, and one can imagine the possibility of practically [DOT]switching the coal into the ships as it comes out of the mine. Across the gulf in Newfoundland there are inexhaustible quantities of iron ore, and, these two elements of commercial advancement being so dlose together, all that is really necessary is the capital to bring about the required developments. No one who has money to invest in this enterprise need be afraid that the natural resources are not there. All that is necessary is proper and careful management to make of 125i
these industries a greater success in the future than they have been in the past.
In the county of 'Cape Breton and the province of Nova Scotia we are not afraid of mergers. There sits in this House to-day the hon. member for Shelburne and Queen's (Mr. Fielding) who for fourteen years or more fwas premier |of Nova 'Scotia^ Iff 1893 he remembers well that the first real mergeT of these great properties took place in the county of Cape Breton. Through his hands passed a charter which made possible the amalgamation of nine or ten separate coal mines then existing in the island of Cape Breton. These nine or ten small mines were unable to compete in the world, unable to hold their own against big corporations. They came together in the Dominion Coal Company, and out of the Dominion Coal Company grew the Dominion Iron and Steel Company. Mr. Whitney, a distinguished American and enterprising capitalist, was really the man who promoted the merger of the coal mines in the island of Cape Breton. He realized that he must create a market for his own coal, In creating that market he established steel works at Sydney, and the coal which he produced from his coal mines was used in the production of steel. In 1893, 750,000 tons of coal were produced out of the mines; that was the highest notch that we ever reached under the national policy, which, of course was supposed to be the great protector and preserver of the coal industry [DOT]in that 'country. To-day, under that merger, we produce something like 6,000,000 tons of coal a year, and a large quantity of that coal is being used in the production of steel. Recently a plate mill has been built at Sydney in connection with steel production, and now we are getting this large amount of money into this undertaking, which, of course, will produce larger and larger quantities.


William Findlay Maclean: Will the hon. gentleman say what they use these steel plates for?


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: These steel plates are used in the building of ships. There are on the stocks in the city of Halifax four magnificent ships which are to be clad with these steel plates, manufactured out of our own steel, by our own enterprise, and by our own workmen. I am sure that the hon. member will be delighted to know that we have in Canada the raw material and the capital behind it and that those magnificent greyhounds of the sea that are being

built to-day 'in Halifax are entirely Canadian and are being produced by what, we might call a merger of money and influence in the little province of Nova Scotia. These are the results of the eo-operation of brains and capital in. our province.
I fully concur in the point raised by the hon. member for Springfield that we should Keep a tight rein on every corporation in this country and see to it that no fictitious values are held up to the people and that when stock is issued it actually represents something. While agreeing with that idea I submit that at the same time we must give some scope for the imagination of such men as Colonel Morden, who is at the head of this enterprise. Let me say as a matter of history that in the very early days of coal development in the island of Cape Breton the father of the present Parliamentary Counsel, Mr. Gisborne, was one of the pioneers in that work. Then, we had the further development of Mr. Whitney, and now a Canadian who seems to be capable of giving further impetus to this development, Colonel Morden, is taking the matter up. I am sure, Sir, having regard to the magnificent resources at the disposal of this company, the brains that are behind it, and the various elements which are entering into the combine-all necessary to the success of the enterprise-that with proper *management the enterprise will attain that success which it merits, deserves and commands.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Does the hon. member (Mr. Richardson) desire to withdraw his motion?


Robert Lorne Richardson: Certainly, Mr. Speaker. I have the privilege of saying a word in closing?


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Yes. The hon. member has the right to reply. If he now exercises his right I must point out that the debate will then be closed.


Robert Lorne Richardson: I shall be very glad to have it closed; it has lasted much longer that I thought it would. One of my chief regrets is that I have cost the country so much.


Mr. J. A. ROBB (Chateauguay-Hunting-don):: Mr. Speaker, may I say a word before the debate is closed. The weather is getting warm and the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster) announces that the Budget will .be down next week. We *are approaching the time when members will be anxious to get away. Last evening the minister in charge of a Bill threatened to

have us sit here until two o'clock in the morning.


George Green Foster: Serves you right.


James Alexander Robb: Supporters of my hon. friend, day after day and week after week since the opening of the session, have risen in their places and introduced resolutions, so that this House is actually developing into a debating school. We have wasted all this afternoon debating a question, possibly of some interest; but if hon. members are desirous of getting through early, I join with the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster) in saying that we must economize as regards time, or otherwise there will' be legislation now on the Order Paper of equal importance with this, that will possibly be rushed through in the closing hours of the session without any consideration.


Robert Lorne Richardson: 
Robert Lorne Richardson: Yes, when you light a match, you can never tell just what you are going to burn down. If, however, I have succeeded in giving life to the idea that over capitalization must be stopped, I believe the match I lighted will have a good effect on the country.
I neglected in my opening remarks to speak of the powers for which this company is asking. I looked over their application and I find that they are asking for everything in the heavens above and the earth beneath.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order. I must point out to the hon. member that in his reply he is limited to replying to speeches delivered by other hon. members, and he would not be in order in opening up new ground.


Robert Lorne Richardson: If you had let me alone, Mr. Speaker, I would have been through with it by this time. I just want to say, in reply to a remark made by the hon.

member for Toronto Centre (Mr. Bristol), that, speaking of the values of the assets these companies have, he refers, of course, to the potential values. I suppose he takes the quantity of coal, iron ore and so on in these deposits and makes an estimate that they are worth four or five hundred million dollars. But the whole point is-what are these promoters acquiring these assets for?
I think if the amount is placed at thirty or forty million dollars, it will be placed at a very' large sum. Therefore, why should they be allowed to capitalize for $500,000,000, because if they do capitalize for $500,000,000 and distribute stock for that amount, those who buy that stock will expect dividends on that capitalization, and a sufficient amount will be charged upon the output of those industries to provide for the payment of dividends on this vast overcapitalization? It seems to me that such a capitalization as is spoken of is unpardonable. If the capitalization is limited to the amount that is being paid for these companies or a reasonable amount beyond that, no complaint might be made; but the Government ought, if possible, take steps to see that the amount of capitalization is limited.
For instance, this merger is acquiring the Nova Scotia Steel Company by paying 90 per cent in preferred stock and 40 per cent in common stock. As a matter of fact, I learn, by looking up records, that when this Nova Scotia Steel Company was first formed, much of the stock was given away and anybody could buy it at from seven to eight cents a share. A little later on every holder of one share got three shares, and now it is proposed to give 90 per cent in preferred stock and 40 per cent in common stock. Therefore, hon. gentlemen will see just how a transaction of this kind is manipulated against the interest of the people.
I am gratified that this discussion has taken place, and I am much pleased with the tone of most of the speeches that have been made. I believe that, as a result, the people may expect that their interest will be ultimately protected.


Mr. JACOBS:: Is the hon. gentleman aware of the fact that most of the English promoters of this company are members of the British Cellulose Company, and can he say whether there is to be some sweetening of this new stock by an issue of British Cellulose Company's stock.
Mr. RICHAKDiEON: I must confess that I was not aware of anythng of the kind, and
I rather fancy that the hon. gentleman is not serious in asking that question.
Motion of Mr. Richardson to adjourn the House withdrawn.



CANADA SHIPPING ACT (PILOTAGE) AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
On motion of Hon. C. C. Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries), Bill No. 94, to amend the Canada Shipping Act (Pilotage), was read the second time, and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
On section 1-section 434 with respect to the mode of altering pilot rates for and below Quebec repealed as from 12th June, 1914.
Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I understand the system of pilotage or the laws dealing with pilotage in Halifax and Sydney have been changed. Is there any change in method, or is there any proposed change in method of operating those pilotage systems or combinations in other parts of the country, or.,are they to go on as before?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. member
will no doubt recall that, at the session of Parliament a year ago, I introduced in the House a Bill that was passed giving the Governor General in Council authority to make the Minister of Marine the pilotage authority and to take over such districts as Sydney, St. John, Vancouver and Victoria. The pilotage districts of Montreal and Quebec have been under the Minister of Marine for quite a number of years, and the pilotage authority at Halifax was placed under the same minister under the War Measures Act in 1918. The Bill that I introduced a year ago vested the pilotage districts that I have mentioned in the Governor in Council and the Minister of Marine. I shall be very glad to give further details when the pilotage items in the Marine Estimates are reached, which may possibly be to-night. The object of the present Bill is merely to make a change in the shipping law so that it will be possible for the Quebec pilots to get an increase in tariff if that is found necessary. If we do not make the change that the Bill calls for there can be no increase in the pilot's tariff until the minimum salary of the Quebec pilots for three consecutive years falls below $600 a year. I am sure hon. members will agree that $600 per year as a remuneration for pilots may have been all right a great many years ago, but is altogether too low at

the present time. While the subject is not up at the present time, I am having this change made in the Act so that if it was thought fit in the future to make any change in the tariff with respect to the Quebec pilots I might be free to do so.


John Howard Sinclair: What was the average amount received by the Quebec pilots last year?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The average earnings of the sixty-one pilots in the Quebec district last year amounted to $2,452.30.


John Howard Sinclair: Then this Bill relates not to the salaries of the pilots but to the Tates to be charged by the pilots on shipping coming up the St. Lawrence. Am I not correct in that? There is a restriction in the law at present against increasing the rates to be charged ships iby the pilots until the salaries of the pilots shall be less than $600. That is not likely to take place because the pilots are getting about four times as much at the present time, but this legislation, as I understand it, opens the way to an increase in the pilotage rates.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. member is quite correct, but even if it were mutually agreed between the Quebec pilots, the Department of Marine and the Shipping interests that the present tariff of the pilots should be increased-which would mean that their earning power would be greater than the average I have given-I would be quite unable to make the increase because of the existence of the old statute referred to which provides that no change can be made in the pilotage tariff unless the annual income of the pilots is less than $600 per year for three consecutive years. No such restriction as this exists in the case of any other pilotage system, and I desire to have it eliminated1 so that if the time should ever come when it was deemed fair and right to increase the tariff we may be able to do so.


John Howard Sinclair: Then it is not intended at the present time to make any increase in the rates?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: No.
Bill reported, read the third time and passed.



OLEOMARGARINE ACT, 1919 AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
On the motion of Hon. Mr. Toimie (Minister of Agriculture, Bill No. 103, to amend the Oleomargarine Act, 1919, was read a 
second time and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Boivin in. the Chair.
On Section Three^The Governor in Council to make regulations.
Mr. KAY:: What regulations are proposed to be made by the Governor in Council?


Simon Fraser Tolmie: We have a large number of regulations at present in force governing the manufacture of oleomargarine that were published in the Canada Gazette of February 10, 1920. It is proposed to add to that list certain other regulations, one of which will make it compulsory to have the word "oleo" on each package of material that is turned out-that is printed into the material itself. We hope that doing that will help to keep down the selling of oleomargarine as 'butter as much as possible. In addition, we hope to increase our police work in regard to the enforcement of the provisions of this Bill, and with the additional fine, which has 'been materially increased, to stop the fradulent sale of oleomargarine to a very great extent.


William Frederic Kay: Has the minister considered the advisability of regulating the size of the package containing oleomargarine? ,


Simon Fraser Tolmie: The matter is under consideration at the present time. We are looking for a little more information along these lines, and if, after due consideration, it is deemed advisable we may adopt the idea.


William Frederic Kay: It seems to me that the committee is entitled to have all the regulations which have been passed on this subject brought down before it passes this Bill. The measure confers a blanket power on the Governor in Council to make regulations, hut we do not know what those regulations are. This question is a very serious one, not only from the point of view of the dairy farmer, but also from the viewpoint of the whole country. I do not altogether agree with the remarks upon this subject which were made the other day by my hon. friend from Dufferin (Mr. Best), but there is no question that if the dairy industry is injured the whole country will be hurt to an even greater extent. I do not oppose the importation into and manufacture of oleomargarine in Canada, providing the commodity is not sold as butter, but up to now there have been no regulations in force which would prevent that substitution. I do not think that the dairymen of the country have any objection to anybody eating oleomargarine if they wish to do so.

What they do object to-and certainly what the people of the country have a right to object to-is that the public should be given oleomargarine when they want butter.
I have another suggestion to make which may sound rather radical but which I think will meet with the approval of the minister. If he adopted it his troubles would be over and every opportunity of the public being imposed upon would be removed. I would suggest that oleomargarine be coloured by some vegetable substance which is not yellow and which would instantly identify the article. If the minister went into a hotel and was served with oleomargarine which was pink, or let us say green, he would be at once assured that something spurious was not being foisted upon him under the guise of good butter. In all seriousness, however, I offer this suggestion to the minister as one that should be carefully considered. Some people of course might have some qualms about spreading any green substance on their bread, but if the minister encountered any great objection to that colour then he could make it pink. I am putting this forward in all seriousness. People eat pink ice cream and ice cream of other artistic colours, and I see_ no reason why oleomargarine should not be given a specific colour that would distinguish it from butter and would always infallibly reveal its identity. The great importance is that the public shall not be imposed upon, and the minister will be well advised to adopt a suggestion such as that which I now make that would absolutely and for all time remove the possibility of deception in the sale of this article. If you colour oleomargarine in the way I have suggested, that is all the protection which I conceive the dairymen would require or could reasonably ask for, and it is all the protection the public would need, for they would always have the assurance that when they bought butter they were not receiving an inferior foodstuff.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: There are some twenty-four regulations covering the sale of oleomargarine, and the hon. member can find them in the Canada Gazette of Tuesday February 10. The proposal to colour oleomargarine has received a good deal of attention, but as the natural fats of the animal are yellow or light yellow, it would hardly be fair to compel those who sell these fats in the form of oleomargarine to colour them pink or blue or anything else while the dairyman was allowed to sell his butter under its natural colour. Even the
dairyman at certain seasons of the year uses colouring to bring his butter up to the natural colour in June when the grass is rich and the butter is of the highest natural colour. As regards the suggestion that oleomargarine is injurious to the dairy business, I do not think that we have seen very much evidence to support such a supposition up to the present time. Some of the greatest competitors of Canada in the British market are those countries, such as Denmark and the United States, where oleomargarine has been manufactured and consumed for years without any serious injury to the dairy business. Our own experience in Canada shows that since the manufacture of oleomargarine has been permitted the prices of cows and butter have gone up higher than ever, and there is a big demand for our butter overseas. Our butter prices in Canada will not be controlled by the manufacture of oleomargarine bu.t, in my opinion at any rate, rather by the prices prevailing in the export market of Great Britain. I propose during the coming year to study the whole situation very carefully. Naturally, I am a dairyman, being at present a breeder of pure-bred dairy cattle, and up to a few months ago I was president of one of the largest dairy associations in Canada. I am therefore heartily in sympathy with the dairy business, but there is a demand for this material by poor people who cannot afford to buy first class butter, and I think that they should be allowed to use it. I shall do my very best, and I can assure hon. gentlemen that the officials in the Department of Agriculture will also exert their best efforts, to enforce the regulations to the limit in order to prevent the fraudulent sale of oleomargarine as butter.


William Frederic Kay: Does the minister consider that the regulations which he intends to bring down will prevent the selling of oleomargarine as butter?


Simon Fraser Tolmie: It will to a great extent. In all restaurants where oleomargarine is sold it is necessary that there shall be hung up a placard stating the fact that oleomargarine is served there; and I may inform the hon. gentleman that only this morning one person was fined $50 for an attempt to sell oleomargarine for butter.


William Frederic Kay: Has the minister ever himself seen such a placard displayed in a restaurant?


Simon Fraser Tolmie: Yes, on several occasions; and sometimes, I may add, I have been

served with an article that tasted like oleomargarine although there was in the restaurant no placard such as I have described.


James Alexander Robb: If the minister is not disposed to accept the suggestion offered by my hon. friend (Mr. Kay) to colour oleomargarine so as to prevent any possibility of its being sold as butter, perhaps he will accept another suggestion, namely, to prevent the manufacturers of oleomargarine from putting any colouring into that article. As a matter of fact, the grocers who sell oleomargarine also sell a powder for colouring it, so that oleomargarine can come to the table ^ coloured as butter. Perhaps as an additional safeguard to the dairy industry the minister might prevent the -sale of any colouring matter or the putting of colouring matter into oleomargarine.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: Under the law now no artificial colouring can be used in the manufacture of oleomargarine. I assure the hon. member that any regulations that are suggested by our experience during the coming year and which we may consider useful in preventing fraud will be enforced.


William Frederic Kay: Would the minister 'consider the merit of a regulation making it an offence to colour oleomargarine after it has been purchased from the retailer? It may be true that the manufacturer cannot legally colour oleomargarine, but in the United States a grocer may sell a pound of oleomargarine together with a package of powder and the purchaser can colour the oleomargarine after obtaining it from the retailer. There is no doubt that oleomargarine is coloured to imitate butter, and in view of that fact I think it is due to the public to provide protection in some way that would prevent the sale of oleomargarine as butter. The man who goes into the restaurant should have some assurance that he will not be given this inferior article for butter. I would suggest that the use of butter should be prohibited in the making of oleomargarine.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: I said that the clause in the regulations dealing with the question of colour says that:
No substance intended for the colouring of oleomargarine shall be imported into Canada in packages containing oleomargarine, and no manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer dealing in oleomargarine shall deal in, sell or give away any substance intended for colouring oleomargarine.
[Mr. Tolmie.l


William Frederic Kay: Nevertheless oleomargarine
is sold -and given out to the public in restaurants as fully coloured as butter.
iMr. TOLMIE:	I suggested that I proposed to meet that situation by much closer policing and a closer application of the law as contained in the regulations during the coming year.
Mr. SEX8MITH: Do hotels and restaurants that use margarine have to notify the public to that effect?


Simon Fraser Tolmie: They have to hang up a
sign in a conspicuous place stating that "oleomargarine is served here."
Mr. MoGIBiBON (Muskoka): What steps does the minister intend to take to protect the buyer?


Mr. TOILMIE:: It is intended to print immediately in the package of oleomargarine the iwords "oleo."


William Frederic Kay: I do not want to obstruct this Bill but 'I would like the minister to say definitely what objection there is to having oleomargarine distinctively coloured.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: I stated a few minutes
ago that the natural colour of oleomargarine, or the fats from which oleomargarine is made, is a light yellow just the same as the winter production of butter, but the butter maker adds yellow colouring to his butter to give it a June appearance and I do not see why the manufacturer of oleo should not have the same right to increase the density of the material he is turning out.


William Frederic Kay: The manufacturer of oleomargarine colours his oleomargarine in order to imitate butter. That is the very thing that the public and the dairymen should be protected against.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: He is not permitted to
use colouring substances to colour his oleomargarine but he mixes June butter with it.


John Albert Sexsmith: Is it -the intention to
still allow him to mix butter with it.


Simon Fraser Tolmie: There is nothing in these regulations yet to prevent him mixing butter in the manufacture of oleo for the reason that butter is a higher priced product and certainly a better product and must improve the product of the oleomargarine manufacturer. It would be quite a different situation if the butter -manufacturer were allowed to mix a cheaper quality of oleo in making butter.

On section 5-penalty:


William Frederic Kay: What is the penalty under
the present Act?


Simon Fraser Tolmie: Not less than $10 and in this we are making it not less than $50.
Bill reported, read the third time and passed.
As six o'clock the House took recess.
After Recess.
The House resumed at Eight o'clock.



INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES INVESTIGATION ACT, 1907, AMENDMENT.

[Stage Direction]
House again in committee on Bill No. 57 (from the Senate) to amend the Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1907-'the Minister of the Interior. Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: I understood
that we were going on with the Franchise Act this evening.


Arthur Meighen: I saw the order of proceedings in the hands of the Acting Prime Minister (Sir George Foster), and this Bill came after the Oleomargarine resolution; it was also mentioned in the House last night.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I am perfectly agreeable to go on, but I might mention that the hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. Angus McDonald) is expecting to leave the city to-night and has asked that this measure might stand over.


Arthur Meighen: He is here.


Georges Henri Boivin: When this Bill was
last in committee all the clauses had been read and discussed, but clauses 1, 2 and 3 were allowed to stand over for further consideration. The question is now on clause 1:


Arthur Meighen: Clause 1 was allowed to stand in order that consideration might be given to a suggestion of the leader of the Opposition that the definition of "employees" should be made wide enough to bring within the scope of the Act municipal and provincial employees. Upon reviewing the matter I find that Hon. Senator Robertson, the Minister of Labour, is in agreement with the leader of the Opposition as to the wisdom of including municipal and, indeed, for that matter, provincial employees, provided there is no constitutional objection to so doing. But I am informed that in the past the Department of Labour has, at the
request of municipal employees, appointed boards of conciliation, but its jurisdiction to do so was questioned, and the opinion of the Department of Justice leaned to the support of the position taken by the municipal authorities. Consequently the Minister of Labour does not think it would be wise to seek to invade that realm, because such action would certainly be resisted by the municipalities.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Might I draw ' my hon. friend's attention to the fact that within the last week a conference composed of the representatives of the provinces and of the Dominion, has been sitting in the Department of Labour for the purpose of considering the unification of labour laws, and, as I understand it, that conference has unanimously recommended this very feature namely, that the employees of municipalities and of Provincial Governments should be brought within the scope of this Act. I do not know whether the Department of Justice gave its ruling because the Act was not sufficiently comprehensive to include these different classes; but it seems to me that if both federal and provincial authorities called together for the purpose of considering this matter favour such a course, the Act should be so extended in its application as to include these classes; and if the constitutionality of the amendment is called in question it can be threshed out in the courts. I would be sorry to see this opportunity go by without an amendment of this kind being adopted, because I think it will be a matter of only another year before we will be asked to amend the Act in this particular.


Arthur Meighen: The Department of Justice could not have proceeded upon the principle the hon. member has in mind. The Department of Labour has regarded the Act as being wide enough to include municipal employees, and has proceeded on that assumption. The memorandum placed in my hands states:
The department has in many instances established boards upon the application of municipal employees, such as policemen, firemen, etc. Instances have arisen, however, where municipalities have questioned the jurisdiction of the department to establish a board without the consent of the municipality, which contention the Department of Justice was inclined to uphold.
That is to say, there must be consent by the municipality before such jurisdiction can be exercised. That opinion clearly proceeds upon the assumption that the Act is wide enough in its original form, because undoubtedly the employees of municipali-

ties would be employed in a public capacity by a public body. That would lead to the opinion that it would be wise for us to leave the Act as it stands, in which case the department will doubtless proceed as it has done before-will appoint a board in all cases where applied for, provided the municipality does not take exception.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: It would seem to be in the public interest that it should not be possible Jor a municipality to' take exception. Take the case of the strike of employees in the (waterworks department of the city of Montreal during last winter. Had the Act's provisions been applied the strike would never have taken place. The Act is framed with a view to protecting the public quite as much as the parties to a dispute. If we are passing an Act which applies to the Dominion generally, which is for the peace, order and good government of Canada, certainly it should be made to include such a provision. It would be a pity, simply on account of a ruling of the Department of Justice, to forego that extension of the legislation, especially as many requests for it have been made by employees and on behalf of the public.


Arthur Meighen: Well, I will try to put the matter from the legal standpoint as clearly as I can. The Act reads now that "employer" shall extend to and include "public service utility." Now, a man employed in a municipality may be employed in a public service utility; consequently if the Department of Justice is wrong the Act is wide enough as it is; there is no need to amend it. But the question arises, is the Act, even in its present form, not wider than we can enforce? The opinion of the Justice Department seems to Ibe that when dispute arises between a municipality and its employees, the Parliament of Canada is powerless to say to the (municipality on the one hand and to the employees on the other; there must ibe no lockout on the one hand or strike on the other until the board that we provide for in this Act has been appointed and has done its work. The municipality .says: We are not created by you; we are not subject to your jurisdiction in this regard; we are created by the province; jurisdiction over us rests in the provincial parliament and that alone. That may foe right or it may be wrong, but it is not a question of the wording of the Act; it is a question of the interpretation of the British North America Act. The Minister of Labour regrets that that is the state of

the distribution of the constitutional authority, because he is of the same opinion in ipoint of policy as the leader of the Opposition; he believes that it would be very much in the public interest if municipalities and their employees could be brought within the scope of the Act.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I rather think that the opinion of the Justice Department goes further than the minister says-


Arthur Meighen: Possibly so.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: -or has a deeper meaning. For instance, policemen in this city are servants of the city, are appointed and paid by the city, but from the constitutional standpoint and .from the standpoint of the protection of the public they are the servants of the Crown. The moment that we .concede that they are servants of the Crown we cannot interfere with them by any statute unless the Crown is specially mentioned therein. If the town treasurer, the municipal clerk, and all such officers are in theory officers of the Crown, that is the reason why the Department of Justice says we cannot interfere with them. Take the simple question df taxes. Taxes due to a municipality are, in theory, taxes due to the Crown and for that reason the Statute of Limitations does not apply. Summonses that issue under this Act for the calling of witnesses issue in the name of the King; the board is appointed in the name of The King. If, then, in theory you are creating a court to which The King is a party, you act contrary to the principle that no person can foe a judge in his own case. 1 believe that the Department of Justice is reasoning on the basis that you cannot make a court which is binding upon The King or (The King's officers or The King's exchequer unless The King is mentioned in the Act.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Do I understand from the minister that the provincial Governments might authorize the bringing of municipalities under this Act.


Arthur Meighen: No; whatever the distribution of constitutional power is as between the provinces and the Dominion, it cannot be altered at the will of either or both; it can only be altered by amendment of the British North America Act. That is to say, if the authority is now reposed in the provinces, they are powerless to divest themselves of it and to transfer it to us; that would have to foe donp- by constitutional amendment. Of course, all the municipalities 'could agree to waive it and

to submit to the jurisdiction. A great many of them do, and wherever they do we exercise jurisdiction.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: It seems to me that this leaves the whole question of employees of municipalities somewhat in the position of Mahomet's coffin, suspended between Heaven and earth. There ought to be some way of providing that this clas3 of employees shall get the benefit of this . legislation and also that the public shall get the protection which this legislation is intended to give in the case of strikes of employees of municipalities. The form in which the minister is leaving the matter is very unsatisfactory. I shall not press my view any further, but I certainly think that some method should be devised of bringing this class of employees- under the provisions of this Act.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Some years ago, when Mr. Graham was Minister of Railways, he appointed a board to deal with employees of the Government railways. This question was up then and it was conceded by everybody that it was simply by consent of the Crown that the matter could be dealt with at all, regard being had to the principle that we cannot sue The King in his own court.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Is it not the case that within the last few weeks a deputation of working men from the city of Montreal waited upon the Government and asked that the Act be so extended as to bring municipal employees within its scope?


Arthur Meighen: I do not know of that personally, but I think, if they came, they would be in entire agreement with the opinion of the minister which he expressed in this way to me:
While we would be glad to regard the municipal employees, such as firemen, policemen, waterworks men, as coming within the scope of this Act, yet it does not appear possible to so regard them.


[Stage Direction]
Section agreed to.
On section 2-signatures requisite for applications to refer disputes to boards and for statutory declarations accompanying them:
Mr. MEIGlHEN:	This clause was also
reserved, considerable discussion having arisen as to whether or not the unit of employees, a majority of whom had to requisition for a board, was too large. When the subject was under discussion, I expressed the view that, inasmuch as it required only
a majority of the union, and as "union" was defined so as to include a local union, then only a majority of the local union was required. I have, however, (taken the matter up with the Minister of Labour who naturally is more familiar with the Bill than I am, and he has called my attention to the definition of the word "employee" .as appearing in paragraph (d), as follows:
" Employee " means any person employed by an employer to do any skilled or unskilled manual or clerical work for hire or reward in any industry to which this Act applies.
The definition of "dispute" follows:
" Dispute " means any dispute or difference between an employer and one or more of his employees as to matters or things affecting or relating to work done or to be done by him or them.
And so forth. Clause 16 as amended by this Bill will read:
The application and the declaration accompanying it shall he signed, if made-
(d) by employees who are members of a trade union.
If you take the definition of "employee" as found in paragraph (d) of section 2 of the old Act, paragraph (d) of the clause 2 of the present Bill would read:
By any persons employed by an employer to do any skilled or unskilled manual or clerical work for hire or reward in any industry to which this Act applies, who are members of a trade union, by two of its officers duly authorized by a majority of the members of the union.
The intention of the Minister of Labour was, and his contention is, that that means a majority of all the men employed by that employer who are members of the union. That is to say, the unit is the men employed by that employer. If there is any doubt as to that being the effect-and it would not appear to me that there was- it is (the intention of the Minister of Labour that that shall be the effect. All that he insisted upon is, in every case, a majority of those affected; he does not want it possible for a mere minority that may get together at some meeting to be able to do this. But he is quite prepared that the ambit of those affected shall be those in a single industry under the single employer where the grievance occurs. That is to say, his intention is that the unit shall be just as described by the hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. Angus McDonald).
William Lyon Mackenzie King: I assume that what my hon. friend says is correct as to the intention of the Minister of Labour, and possibly what he has in view in regard

to his intention thus expressed, is correct. But let me draw the attention of the minister to this, that the change that has been made in the legislation is of an entirely different nature. Since last night I have taken the trouble to look up what was more or less considered when this section was drafted, and I will bring the point to the minister's attention, when, I think, he will see in a moment that the essential feature in this section has been, either intentionally or unintentionally, overlooked in the amendment suggested. Paragraph (d) reads:
By employees who are members of a trade union, by two of the officers duly authorized by a majority, of the members of the union.
The original section is the same as that with the addition of the word " vote." It reads:
Duly authorized by a majority vote of the members of the union.
In deciding upon an application for a Board of Arbitration, a group of men together in a meeting may make an appeal, and if the meeting decides that a majority have asked for a board, the hoard shall be granted. When this law was drafted, it was thought advisable, inasmuch as the constituting of a board was a serious matter, that precautions of a reasonable sort should be thrown around it, and it was thought reasonable that the employees, before asking for a board, should vote on the subject. There could be no dispute, when a vote was taken, whether the majority desired the board or not. By eliminating the word" vote," that feature is done away with and the clause as it reads makes it possible for any two members to go throughout a camp and to request different men one by one to ask for a board and they can get a board if they have a majority of the men without having a meeting called for the purpose of discussing the matter or any vote taken. Unless the minister intends to do away with that precaution which, it was thought at the time of the drafting of the Act, was in the interest of the parties in whose behalf the Act was drafted, he should have made that clear. My hon. friend has said nothing to us about any thought in the mind of the Minister of Labour to do away with that feature-of requiring a vote to be taken. Unless that is his intention, it would be a mistake to amend the law in the way suggested.


Arthur Meighen: I agree fully with t! e leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie

King) as to the meaning of the old law in this regard and as to the meaning of the present amendment. Under the old law, a vote was essential, but it required to be only a majority vote of those who took the pains to attend a meeting called for the purpose. Under the present law it is not the meeting but the majority that is essential; but the majority may be secured if they can secure it, without a meeting at all. Any two officers may get the authorization that they require by merely taking round a peti- < tion, so long as it is signed by a majority of the employees affected. The Minister of Labour is of opinion that they ought to have that privilege. A meeting is not essential at all, the essential thing is that a majority of the men affected shall express a desire that a board be granted; and the Minister of Labour does not seem to fear that any danger or any abuse can creep in providing that a majority is required. He does think it should be put out of the power of any minority to precipitate the proceedings, but so long as the majority of the men want it they ought to be allowed to express their desire in any way they like, and that is evidence that those two men have authority to ask for it. Thereupon the board must be granted.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If that is the intention of the Minister of Labour I think my hon. friend should have so represented it to the House and saved a great deal of discussion. That is an entirely different thing from the reason alleged by the minister (Mr. Meighen) yesterday, and alleged earlier this evening. The essential change being made 'now, as I see it, is doing away with the precaution of a vote being taken and recorded before an application is made.
If the minister wishes to have the law changed in that form I have nothing further to say about it; but that is not the position of the amendment as set out by my hon. friend until this moment.


Arthur Meighen: I do not think I have changed my expression-I know I have not changed my opinion-as to the meaning of the amendment in the slightest degree, and that being so I could not have changed its substance in the way I put it. It is true that under the new law the majority is always essential. There are two ways under the proposed new law by which that majority of the men effected may express its will. They may authorize, by requisition in any form they desire, the two officers to ask for a board, or they may give

authority by a vote by ballot at a meeting called at three days' notice. The object is not to- do away with the meeting, but to give the two methods to the men, while insisting on the majority. That is not only consistent with what I expressed to-day and yesterday but it is the same thing. 'I emphasized, of course, yesterday, the one feature: I emphasize the other to-day because it happens to be up for discussion.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: All these large bodies of men are organized under a local statute in our part of the country. They have their own by-laws and their own regulations as to meetings, and I venture to think that nothing is done affecting the body of workmen belonging to any of these associations except at a meeting where those who choose to attend will have a voice. Nothing at all is done by private canvassing and by somebody going around with a book in his hand to the different members and asking them to consent to a resolution which he has written in his book giving him some authority. I venture to think there is no such resolution in the case of any large body of workingmen, and that if this new method is taken the workingmen, at all events in the part of the country I belong to, will rebel against it and say, "You are passing a law by which you are taking out of our hands a rule which we have always exercised and for which we have organized." They have organized for the purpose of having the united opinion of labour men at a meeting, and assembled, if you please, after they have had notice of what the purpose of the meeting was. I think you will find that these men will not for a moment tolerate the hole-and-corner methods of somebody going around and getting the consent of per-sgns to do things which have not been considered by a deliberative body. I know there is not very much difference between this Bill and the old Act, but personally I complain of the old Act too. I say that the matter should be left open and free for the men to get together and decide for themselves what their position shall be.
Now the minister has given ps his definition of what constitutes the scope of a union. If that is applied to the people in the service of the Dominion Coal Company, for instance, it means something that has never been carried out in practice in that part of the country.- The Dominion Coal Company have a large number of men at Springhill and in Cape Breton and in Newfoundland as well, Now if -the men at the mines at New Waterford say there is some
difficulty which they want to put before a board, it has never been the practice that the employees in Newfoundland or at Springhill should be consulted. The men -at New Waterford got together according to their rules, and passed a resolution as to whether or not they would apply for a board, and that was the end of it. Leaving the Dominion Coal Company out of the question and taking the Nova Scotia Steel Company, it will be found that there are something like a couple of thousand men at New Glasgow in the county of Pictou and five or six thousand men at Sydney Mines. If the people at New Glasgow had any trouble they never used to bother the people at Sydney Mines; they passed their own resolutions and settled their own difficulty. The same thing was done in the case of the employees at Sydney Mines. I can only say to the minister, it would be well worth while to ascertain what has been done in practice without adhering strictly to the legal interpretation of this law. Surely the officers in the Labour Department know how these things used to be brought about. I can say to the minister, I think with certainty, that the view now expressed has never been acted upon in our part of the country when an application of this kind was made.


Angus McDonald: I do not wish to cast any reflections on the minister or to be understood -as doubting his word in regard to this amendment. I am quite willing to accept his explanation as to what he intends by the amendment; but his explanation of what he intends and the way the amendment is worded are, in my estimation, two entirely different things. The present Minister of Labour may not be holding that position four years hence and the man who will succeed him may place an entirely different interpretation on this, -and he will have the amendment to go by. Now I wish to give a concrete illustration of what I am trying to point out. For instance, the carpenters to-day employed on this very building, we will say, feel that they ha/ve a grievance against the contractor. They desire to geit redress, to have their grievances adjusted by honourable methods, by constitutional means. They apply for a board without going to the -trouble of getting the approval of every member of the union working on the other buildings in Ottawa. But under the amendment there has got to be a majority of that union in favour of making the demand for the board before they are able to obtain it. I cannot for the life of me see how you can place any inter-

pretation on that amendment other than the one I have stated, and that is what I object to. If trouble is threatened among the men on any given property, I contend, it should be the prerogative of the employee's at work on that property to obtain a majority vote of the men employed right there, and if the majority decide to apply for a board the board should be granted. That, I believe, means what it says, but when it comes to a matter of law and the legal profession begin to interpret it, I believe that they will be able to drive a carriage and pair through it. I contend that we should make these things so plain that the ordinary workingman can Teadily understand them. If we do we shall be able in time to avoid some of the disputes that are occurring from time to time in connection with various industries in the country. I am sorry that I shall not be able to remain for any considerable length of time to-night, and I desire to offer an amendment. I move-that the words "of the union" be struck out of line 24 and the word "affected" be substituted theTefor.


Mr. G. B. NICHOLSON:: I am sorry that .the hon. member who has just submitted his amendment will be forced to leave the House so early, because I think that if he analysed the matter a little more closely he would realize that the amendment to the Act as drafted meets the situation which he put before the House so clearly. The amendment reads: "By employees who are members of a trade union," etc. If there should arise any trouble between any group of employees and their employer it is obvious that the designation here given "employees" would embrace the men who were working for that particular employer if it took in all the members of that particular union. If any members of that union were not working for the - employer concerned they (would not be "employees" in the sense of having a grievance in that particular case. The use of the term "employees" in this connection immediately makes it clear, in my judgment, that the men referred to are those who have the grievance with the specific employer. They are not members of a union in general; they are not employees at large, but employees of the man with whom they have the difficulty. There is very much more involved in this question than perhaps appears on the surface, and very much more than has so far been brought out, and the elimination of the amendment as drafted would strike at the very Toot of what the mem-

bers of organized labour have regarded as the basis of collective bargaining. If collective bargaining is going to be of advantage to either employer or employees it must necessarily rest on the inviolability of contracts made. If collective bargaining is to be of any service to the employees, it will be because they are in a position to feel that the employer will carry out the contract he makes with them. Similarly, if the principle is going to serve the employer or society as a whole, the employer and society must be assured that the employees will fulfil their contract. What would be involved in -the elimination of this amendment and the continuance of the law as it stands to-day P It would simply bring about a condition like this. We will take the carpenters' union, for example, which has been referred to by my hon. friend (Mr. McDonald. That union, let us say, makes a contract as representing all the employees in that particular business working for a particular employer. But after the contract is made a dissatisfied minority amongst these men make another demand, and in violation of their contract, and in apite of the efforts that have been made by the organization itself, they decide that unless they get something further they will strike. What is immediately involved? It follows that if the contract is to be of use the whole union must be bound, both the union in that particular business and the men employed by the particular employer. We have a striking evidence of this in the recent railway strike in the United States, and the same thing is occurring from one end of this country to the other. The efforts of what are termed the "pirate" labour organizations are all directed towards one end, and that is to break down the contracts that are made by recognized bodies of organized labour in order to get an excuse for undermining organized labour as we have had it and as we have understood it in this country; and to attain this end any number of men, without regard to any contract that has been made by their organization, come along and demand from the employer something that is not in harmony with what their own organization thinks they should get, and if they do not get it they declare a strike, such as that which was declared in connection with the railways in the United States, but which fortunately is gradually subsiding. Efforts have been made in this direction in this country, and they will continue to be made; and the amendment introduced by the Min-

ister of Labour-I am speaking merely on the strength of a perusal of the Bill and without having consulted the minister in any way-seems to me to afford a provision that protects not only the legitimate 'body of organized labour, that class of men who want to play fair and who are anxious to protect the workingmen and at the same time to see that contracts are honoured, but also honest employers and the public generally. Unless something like this is aimed at, organized labour will have the very foundation on which it rests out from under its feet. I would urge the House strongly to ponder well before making any change whatever in the provisions of the Bill as introduced by the minister.


Angus McDonald: Mr. Chairman, the hon. member for East Algoma (Mr. Nicholson) has given considerable attention, in his remarks, to my proposed amendment to the amendment. 1 wish the hon. member for Algoma, and not only the hon. member for Algoma but other hon. members of this House, to understand that I belong to what the Government of this country, and what the hon. the Minister of Labour choose and desire to call the bona fide labour movement on this continent and that I do not belong to what the press and certain politicians have held up to the four winds of Heaven in the last three or four months as the Bed or Socialist party. I belong to an international movement of the bona fide trade unions of this country. When the hon. member for East Algoma says that we are asking for something that will give to a small, disgruntled minority a leverage over the saner elements in the labour field he is certainly going very far afield. We do not ask you to change one word of this excepting those words which will place control in the hands of a majority of manufacturers, and which will take the matter in dispute beyond the boundaries of the locality, where the organization my hon. friend may be making reference to exists, to soime other part of the country entirely. We are not asking for anything but that the law shall be stated in plain English, that it shall be freed from ambiguity, so that every man who comes in contact with it may understand it without the necessity of going into the courts to get an interpretation, which interpretation may be injurious to his welfare.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: If the minister is determined to press this change I shall certainly support the amendment moved
by the hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. McDonald), because I think it is in the right direction and the minister's is entirely in the wrong one.


Arthur Meighen: il have moved no amendment.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The minister is amending the Disputes Act. This law has stood for thirteen years, and until the minister came forward with his amendment I never heard of the slightest exception being taken to the clause providing that parties grieved were to have the right to apply for a board and prescribing the manner in which they were to make application. The only reason the minister has given us why he has suggested a change is that the Minister of Labour wishes to make it perfectly sure that the minority shall not have the right to have a grievance investigated and to make it more difficult for boards of investigation to be granted. That is entirely wrong. The whole purpose of the Act is to avoid the grievance of a minority growing into the grievance of the majority and finally into the grievance of the whole community. I am perfectly sure that by the amendment that he is introducing the minister is making the situation unnecessarily difficult and obscure. The Act is perfectly plain, and it is understood by the workingmen and employers of this country. I noticed that the minister in referring to the 9 p.m. amendment last week said it was perfectly acceptable to the employers. Why the Minister of Labour is so particular about it being acceptable to the employers and should make no particular reference to it having special application to the employees, I am unable to understand. It would have been much better to have brought in an amendment which was acceptable to the employees in a situation of this kind rather than one which was specially acceptable to the employers. I would suggest to the minister (Mr. Meighen) that he allow the original Act to remain as it is and not attempt to introduce an amendment which, according to the explanation which he gives to the House, will make it necessary in order to ascertain what is meant by the word "employee," to look up another section and see what is meant by "employer." This is making confusion worse confounded, and in these industrial disputes there is enough difficulty without adding to it difficulty in the interpretation of the Act. I am strongly in favour of keeping the original Act on

the statute books, but if the minister persists in the change I shall support the amendment of the hon. member for Timis-kaming because it is in harmony with the spirit which it was intended should pervade the Act.


George Brecken Nicholson: I am sorry if anything I said gave the hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. McDonald) the thought that I was referring to any particular organization to which he belongs. Such a thought was not in my mind, I was merely referring to the whole principle underlying the relationship that necessarily must exist between employer and employee, if the employee class are going to be represented by bodies of organized labour. I was only referring to the fact that to make contracts between employers and' employees that are worth the paper they are written on we must have some responsible body to whom we can look to carry out the contract that is entered into. The hon. the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King), referring to this amendment, speaks of the obscurity that is written into it by the use of the term "employee." I must confess to some little surprise that an hon. gentleman who was for a number of years Minister of Labour should profess any doubt as to what is meant by the term "employee" or by the term "employee" as we find it in this Act. When we refer to employees who have a grievance, we refer, I submit, not in legal terms but in the terms of ordinary common sense, to those who are employed by a particular employer. They are not employees at large. The simple fact that they are members of an organization, numbers of whom may be employed in one particular part of the country and others in some other part of the country, does not make the situation in the least bit different. The organization to which the hon. member for Timiskaming belongs has members, I am perfectly certain, all through the United States. No one would suggest that because these terms "employee" and "members aggrieved" happen to be written into this Act they refer to men who are employed in Colorado, Nevada, or any other section where members associated with my hon. friend may happen to be working. They refer specifically to members aggrieved and members of the union. I take it, as a member of a body of organized labour, that legitimate organizations, such as the one to which my hon. friend belongs, Will not gainsay the fact that labour does look to organized labour to protect its interests [Mr Mackenzie King.]
and that it does not recognise a contract that is not made by a recognized labour organization. I repeat,, the moment you write anything into the law of this country by which you recognize the right of a minority, whether they belong to some outlaw organization-as they are sometimes termed-or not, you undermine the very ground upon which collective bargaining must rest and it is going to be no advantage to the employees whatever. In the interest of organized labour I urge the minister not to make any change in the amendment of the law he has introduced into this House, because just as sure as he does just so sure will a condition develop such as we have evidence of in the United States at the present time when organized labour is going to fall to the ground like a house of cards. That is why I am urging the minister to pass this amendment.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would ask the hon. member (Mr. Nicholson) if he sees any objection to the law as it stands without the amendment. What is the need for the amendment? I have not heard a single reason urged other than the one put forward a moment ago, namely, that it was to make more difficult an application for a board than it has been in the past.
I never heard the complaint that employees have been taking undue advantage of this Act, and I do not think the present Minister of Labour would say that any such unfair advantage has been taken. I cannot see that the amendment is in the slightest degree necessary, on the contrary I think it will provoke all kinds of difficulties in the future administration of the Act.


George Brecken Nicholson: If my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King) has not heard of efforts to take advantage of the Act he has not been keeping in close touch with the labour movement on this continent; and if he has not heard of cases of outlaw organizations attempting to break down organized labour by encouraging violation of their contracts, he is out of harmony with what is taking place in the industrial world on this continent. Such attempts were made in Chicago last month, and efforts of a similar character were made in this country last year, and will be made again.
I have not had the privilege of discussing this amendment with the hon. Minister of Labour, hut I think I know his mind sufficiently well to feel assured that he has drafted it with a view of protecting not only our workingmen and their employers, but also society as a whole, and to see m

it that wnen a contract is entered into between an employer and his employees, the labour 'body making that contract shall be of sufficient stability to insure the contract being lived up to until it is amended in the way that is always provided for in contracts of this kind.


Mr. BUCHANAN:: I happen to be an employer of labour and have had occasion to make agreements with labour unions; consequently I can appreciate the position taken toy the hon. member for Timis-kaming as well as by the hon. leader of the Opposition; tout I do not think there is anything to be concerned about in the change proposed. Take the typographical union, for instance: It makes agreements with all the union offices in a city. Difficulties may arise in one office; the employees of that particular office go to the union and present their case, and under this proposed law, if their case is good enough, they can ask for the appointment of a board to deal with their complaints, without affecting the men employed in the other union offices. That is my interpretation of this particular provision. But this cannot toe done without the support first of all of a majority of the members of that particular union. Now, if in any one office difficulty arises, and the men go to their union with their case, the union surely will ask for a board if the case has any merit at all. I am also familiar with the coal mining industry in Alberta. In the Lethbridge field the workers in each mine are organized as a union, but in the Taber field there is one union to cover the whole district. If there is trouble in any one mine, the miners present their case to their union, and I think I am safe in saying that under the Act local differences have been dealt with by boards of conciliation without the other mines being affected. I do not see why there should be any trouble about this proposal, for it certainly seems 'to me that if the employees in one particular concern go to their union with a really good case they may rest assured that their union wiill support them and ask for a board to deal with their complaint.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: When my hon. friend from Lethbridge (Mr. Buchanan) refers to the mining industry he is nearer to the Act than when he refers to the typographical union, because this law does not apply to the latter except by the mutual consent of the parties involved. The Act relates to industries in the nature of public 126
utilities, and I think that the greater part of this discussion has arisen from a lack of appreciation of the purport of the Act and what it is that this particular section refers to. The Act is for the purpose of securing investigation of grievances where a body of men believe they have a grievance that requires^ investigation. The Act as it stands provides that any group of men who feel they have a grievance may call a public meeting which any one interested may attend, and if it is a union matter that is under consideration it is open to all the members to be present and to participate in the proceedings. If the majority at that meeting say there shall be no application for a board, there can be no board granted under the Act as it is at present. So, to speak of any effort to defeat the wishes of a union is altogether beside the mark. All the members of a union have to do if they do not not want a board of conciliation is to attend the meeting, three days' notice of which is required to be given under the Act, and to vote against the application. All the Minister of Labour has to do when the application comes in is to ascertain:	How
many were at the meeting-how many votes were passed-was there a majority of votes in favour of the application? What could be fairer than that? But the minister proposes to cancel that provision and to take away from a group of men the right they have to take proceedings I have outlined. In its stead he proposed to substitute a clause under which two officers are allowed to get sufficient names to a list which they pass around without the necessity of any meeting whatever, and in that way apply for a board. That is a move entirely in the wrong direction. That is not the way to heal industrial unrest; it is more likely to add to unrest.
When a board has been appointed what are its powers? Those of investigation. There is nothing obligatory in the findings of such a board. All the board can do is to make known the facts relating to the case it investigates. What has any legitimate union to fear by having the facts clearly demonstrated in relation to any matter affecting the men belonging to its organization? The very purpose of the Act is to let in the light, and no body of men are likely to ask for an investigation to expose their own weakness, or to expose some difference with another group of their fellow-men that will not stand the light of day. For the life of me I cannot see why the ministry in the interests of labour and



the interests of the public-and it is vital to the public that no dispute shall develop into a strike or lockout-I say I cannot understand why the ministry should try and shut the door upon publicity of that kind. Assuredly when you take away from men the right to ventilate their grievances, they will naturally suspect that justice is being denied them and that their interests are being jeopardized.
Supposing a group of men in a coal mine, or on a railway system, or connected with any other public utility, want to have a grievance investigated; the company may be interested in not having an investigation, even although a large body of men ask for a board, and it may contend that the law requires that the application shall be made by a majority of the members of the union. But these men have not a majority of the union behind them, at least, it cannot be proved that they have. Then, it will be contended, they have no right to secure a board of conciliation.
The minister referred this evening to the Department of Labour wishing to have the employees of municipalities brought within the Act, and said that cannot be done because the Department of Justice has given a ruling that this law does not apply to such employees; whereas it was drafted with that as one of the purposes in view. *Now he is proposing to add a provision which will make possible further objections of the kind. There has been no difficulty under the Act up to the present time, and it has been in force for thirteen years. The minister is trying to drive through a piece of legislation against the advice of those who have given careful study to this question. Nothing has been put before the committee to justify the adoption of the proposed amendment at this time. This Act is a bit of legislation that the Dominion has reason to be proud of and around which we should wish to establish every safeguard. .Believing that, I for one do not want to see the workingmen lose their confidence in this Act because of the involved nature of the provisions which form part of it.


George Brecken Nicholson: If the leader of the Opposition knew a little more about the practical side of the operations of organized labour and perhaps a little less about the theoretical side, he would take a different view.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Oh, oh.
'Some hon. MEMBERS:	Order.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Ask the member for Timiskaming.
[Mr Mackenzie King:.]


George Brecken Nicholson: I have said
nothing that I am called upon to take back. I say that if the leader of the Opposition knew more about the practical working of bodies of organized labour, and less, perhaps, about the theory, he would take a different view. Bodies of organized labour do not work just in the way that my hon. friend has stated. They have a very clear and definite line of action in dealing with matters of this kind they never have any difficulty in showing to employers or to the ^Government or to the public whether a majority of their members are behind any particular position which they take. The Act provides for what must be done by every regularly constituted body of organized labour in this country before they can reach the point where they ask for a board of conciliation. Every man who is or has been associated with organized labour knows perfectly well what a board of conciliation means. It is not a board of arbitration; it is simply a board of conciliation; "a board created for the purpose of finding out what is in the minds of employees on the one hand and employers on the other; to show up to the public, if you will, who is right and who is wrong, and then to let public opinion be the final arbiter. Take the case of locomotive engineers on any of our railways. Does my hon. friend think that upon two or three or four days' notice any one of these bodies may call a meeting and ask for a board of conciliation to inquire into any specific grievance, and that that is going to be the end of it? Not at all; they have a constitutional course to follow, and they have not completed that constitutional course until they have taken steps to do just what this Act provides, that is, get the opinion of the majority of their members. All that is aimed at in the amendment introduced by the Minister of Labour is simply this: to provide that after a recognized body of organized labour representing employees have entered into a contract with an employer, that contract will stand until the majority of the members employed by that particular employer determine that it should be changed. If the contention of my hon. friend is correct, what follows? A small group, four or five if you will, of these men located at any one point may ask to have the contract abridged or changed, and if their desire is not acceded to they may go to the Department of Labour and ask for a board of conciliation. They get the board of conciliation, and the employer says: I am not going to meet this board; I have a contract with the majority of my employees and I am going to stand by that

contract. Then the employer is held up to the odium of the people from one end of this country to the other; is looked upon as a man who does not want to meet his employees on a fair basis. I am confident that the Minister of Labour knew what he was doing when he drafted that clause. If it means anything, it is designed to protect organized labour; to make the contract that organized labour enters into of some use, of some service, not only to one employer or employee, but to the public in the way of protecting them against illegal strikes. Its purpose is to provide that when a minority in any group of employees make up their mind that they are not going to stand by a contract made with an employer the public will know that they are out of harmony with the organization which made the contract in the first place.


Mr. VERVILLE:: Was this proposed
change in the law asked for by any labour organizations? I have not heard of any labour union or other large body of organized labour that has asked for it. My hon. friend (Mr. G. B. Nicholson) seems to be strongly in favour of it. So far as I know, when a contract is made by a trade union with employers it usually stands. Of course, employers, if they are strong enough and if economic conditions change very largely, will not respect the contract any more than anybody else; that has often been the experience in the past. You may say that the same things happens so far as trade unions are concerned. It may be, but numerically the position of the employer is quite different from the position of the trade unions. During the last two or three years contracts between large associations of employers and small associations of employees have been broken, by direct or by indirect means, when conditions generally have changed. I do not see how the amendment is going to improve that situation; it may simply make things more difficult for the workingmen. My hon. friend seems to lay great stress on the assumption that the effect of the amendment may be at a certain moment to break up a trade union movement. He says there is a certain way to go about it; that the trade unions have to meet before they can take a vote. Well, the constitutions of these organizations set forth the manner in which they are supposed to take a vote. No trade union to-day will take a vote on a matter of such importance as a strike without first having notifications sent to all members. In fact, the principle of the amendment is already recognized among most of the trade unions. Further, a secret 126i	,
ballot is taken, and then if the majority are in favour of doing so, they will ask for a board. If this law were to apply to municipal employees, for instance, the case would be different. But the trade unions have been well taken care of so far as these boards are concerned. We do not want to make it difficult for them to obtain these boards. If we want to safeguard the interests of the trades and labour movement we want to throw just as much light on their operations as we can.
They have nothing to hide. A trade' union that has anything to hide should dissolve right away. While I admit that the present law may not have always given entire satisfaction, at the same time it has not, so far as I know, prevented in any case the granting of a board provided that the matter came under the rules and regulations of the board. Let us have as much light as we can, because under this change in the law a small group would be prevented from asking for a board, and there are ways by which the matter can be worked out in the trade union itself, ways which may be dangerous, in preventing the asking for a board. If you leave the law as it stands, the matter is wide open; the labour men of this country understand the Act well, because they have used it for many years, and the employers also understand it. Have any trade unions aAed the Government to make this change? If they have not done so, this request must have come from the other side, and if so, I am very doubtful whether the change will be in the interest of trade unions.


Arthur Meighen: I have not addressed the committee, since the hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. McDonald) moved his amendment. In the interval we have had some addresses from the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) and another now from the hon. member for St., Denis (Mr. Verville). I can follow very ' clearly the desire and also the reasoning of the hon. member for Timiskaming; but for the life of me I am not able to follow either the reasoning or the desire of the leader of the Opposition, nor the purpose of the hon. member for St. Denis unless his purpose is to follow, as closely as he can understand it, the course outlined and pointed out by his leader.


Alphonse Verville: That is a very fair remark for the minister to make.


Arthur Meighen: Very fair, I am quite certain it is. I could only learn from the hon. member that he desired to be on the

same ground as t'he leader of the Opposition, and his leader's ground being somewhat confused, I am sorry to say his was confusing to me as well. I will point out what I mean. The Act as it has stood all these years, has been in this form, that in the case of employees, members of a trade union, desiring a board, they, might secure that board by getting a majority vote at a meeting called, as the Act provides on three days' notice and specifying the purpose. The Act as it will read if this amendment passes, will call for a majority in every case, though that majority may not express itself at a meeting; it may express itself by petition or otherwise, authorizing two of its officers to demand a board. Under the old law a meeting was necessary; a majority of the meeting was necessary; but a majority of the members, whether of the employees, or of the union, was not necessary at all. Under the new Bill, a majority of the members of the union will be necessary. The hon. member for Timiskaming (Mr. McDonald) moves in amendment to the new Bill that "a majority of the members affected" shall be the words employed instead of ''a majority of the members of the union." As I tried to make clear at the opening of the discussion this evening, the Minister of Labour has taken the view-and I think he is right-that all along, under the old Act and now under this Bill, the effect is just the same, because under the definition of the word "employee," the word "employees" must mean the employees of an employer, and consequently a majority of those employees is sufficient. That has been the practice under the Act; I havff not heard the minister say that it was the practice previously to his coming into office, but I believe that to be the case, and certainly that is the present practice of the Department of Labour. If we take that view, the amendment moved by the hon. member for Timiskaming is only another way of expressing the effect which the Minister of Labour intends by this amendment. If the provision as I introduce it does not mean what the hon. member for Timiskaming wants it to mean; if it calls for a majority of the whole union, however wide, and not a majority of the members of the union, employees of the employer where the grievance is, then the old Act did not mean that either, for the very same words are used. The old Act reads:
A majority vote of the members of the union.
So the old Act must have meant that it must be a majority vote of all the members
[Mr. Meighen.j
of the union altogether. Under the old Act all may not go to the meeting, but all had a right to go, and indeed that is what the leader of the Opposition argues. Therefore, members of the union employed in industries that were not affected at all and that had no grievance, could go to the meeting and outvote members of the union who had a grievance, being employed in the particular industry where the grievance arose. Therefore, if there is need for a Change in the provision which I have introduced, there was the same need as regards the Act when it was passed into law in 1907. Consequently I am a little confused when I am urged on the one hand to leave the law as it is and by the very same hon. gentleman to accept the amendment moved by the hon. member for Timiskaming, because if I leave the law as it is, there is just the same need of the amendment of the hon. member for Timiskaming as there is if I bring in this amendment to-night. That is why my confusion exists.
. Mr. MACKENZIE KING: You are changing it.


Arthur Meighen: I am changing it in another regard, so as to require in every case a majority of the employees, members of the union, in the industry affected. The Minister of Labour says: Leave the words as they are; then a majority of those employed by a single employer may demand a board and get it. That is what the hon. member for Timiskaming wants to make more clear. That being the case, there is no reason for refusing the amendment of the hon. member for Timiskaming.
Mr. VKRV1LLE: I am not refusing it.


Arthur Meighen: I know that, but what confuses me was an urging on the one hand to leave the law as it is and an urging by the same hon. member to accept the amendment of the hon. member for Timiskaming. The two things are utterly inconsistent,- and I do not think I was unfair in saying that I was confused by any one taking that position.	.
Before I refer to another phase of the discussion, let me re-emphasize what I tried to make clear a minute ago. I know this is a question of interpretation and questions of interpretation are always more or less difficult to expound. Under the new Bill, members of the union must always have a majority to demand a board. Under the old Act, they did not need to have a majority; all that they required was a majority vote at a meeting, and that might be only one-fifth

of the employees, members of the union, concerned. That is the essential difference. There is no difference in any other regard than that under the new Bill it will not be necessary to express in the notice calling the meeting, the purpose of the meeting. The minister does not think that is necessary, because when you demand a majority, he is not particular how the meeting is called; as long as he is sure that a majority of the men affected wants a hoard, then he is ready to grant a board, no matter how the majority expresses its desires. The leader of the Opposition says:	There
is no need for this amendment at all; the law as it stood was fine. My hon. friend regards the old Act as an Ark of the Covenant. I can understand that one has some particular regard for a piece of work of his own creation. But the difficulty is this:	In the Grand Trunk
Railway Company to-day, for example, there are four different organizations demanding to he known as "the union," and demanding jurisdiction in this regard. While that exists the necessity for a majority is only too apparent. The minister does not care which it is so long as he knows that he has a majority of the men affected asking for that hoard. But the one disputes the right of the other; the other disputes the right of the one, and there it stands. Not only does the Minister of Labour want that situation cleared up, but organized labour wants it cleared up. I was sorry to hear the intimation from the hon. member for St. Denis (Mr. Verville)-particularly because I know he has confidence in the present Minister of Labour, just in the relation in which he expresses suspicion tonight-I was sorry to hear the intimation that this was something demanded by employers and not wanted by employees at all. Now the Minister of Labour informs me, on the other hand, that this very amendment has been approved by the Trades and Labour Congress of Canada who have recognized the difficulty under which he labours-has been approved by them through their executive-and that is the approval which comes to this House. Now that surely should convince the hon. member at least that there is some need for the amendment, and should convince him still more emphatically that it is not designed to assist employers-it is only designed to make the Act more workable and to remove the difficulty that now is pressing for amendment. To show that there is no objection to the amendment moved by the hon. member for Timiskaming, I would
suggest that the approval be by a majority of union members, and having it read:
by a majority of the union members affected.
It was just to make clear that this covers the case of union members. I do not know that it is essential but I think it would be clearer that way, and that is the opinion of the Minister of Labour. It does not change, in our opinion, the effect of the Act as it reads, but it will at all events make clear to him and certainly makes very clear to everyone the purpose of that section -perhaps clearer than it is. Consequently there is no objection to the amendment. But let me add again, if it is necessary to make the language in the Bill clear it was just as necessary to make clear the language of the old Act as it existed, because the words in the present Bill, even if they are obscure, were the same words as were used in the old Act.


Mr. PELLETIER:: May I ask the minister whether, in the event of the majority of the members of a local organization voting that a board be named they will have the privilege of selecting imembers from another organization-for instance a district organization or a national organization- to represent them?


Arthur Meighen: I do not so understand the Act, if I apprehend the question rightly. Any two officers of the union may be authorized by the members of the union affected, but not two officers of any union.


François Jean Pelletier: What I mean is this: Supposing the majority of the members of ' a local organization select two officers of the district organization or a national organization to represent them.


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


François Jean Pelletier: Could they do it
under this?


Arthur Meighen: I would say so, if they are members of the same union. Do you mean that the two officers could ask for a board, or the appointment of an officer on the board?


François Jean Pelletier: The local union may be asking for a board and they may ask, for instance, that the members of another organization-that is to say members of the district or national organization-represent them instead of the two officers who may be members of the local organization that are selected.


Arthur Meighen: This clause has nothing to say at all as to who shall act on the

board. That is governed by other clauses of the Act that are not at all affected by this Bill.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Before the clause carries may I ask the minister, who is to decide the question as to whether or not there has been a majority as required by the Act?


Arthur Meighen: That will be decided just as previously. Previously the minister would be compelled to decide whether or not a majority had voted at the meeting. Now the minister will have to decide whether or not there is a majority either at the meeting or expressed in any other way.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would point out to my hon. friend that the Act as originally drafted took care of that by providing that when a vote was taken on the question of an application to the board a record should be kept of it. Thus there was something on record for the minister to refer to. That provision has been struck out of the present Bill, and I think it is going to lead to a lot of confusion.


Arthur Meighen: There is no call for a record.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The minister said he could not understand how one could support the amendment moved by the hon. member for Timiskaming, and at the same time see any difference between this Bill and the old Act. Let me read the section in the old Act.


Arthur Meighen: I did not say that. I said I could not understand the argument that the old Act was all right and also the argument from the same person that the amendment of the hon. member for Timiskaming was necessary under this Bill.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The present Bill is departing from the feature in the old Act which gave, upon a majority vote, the right to have a board. Let me read the provision to which I refer:
-if made by employees some or all of whom are not members of a trade union, shall be signed by two of their number, duly authorized by a majority vote taken by ballot of the employees present at a meeting called on not less than three days' notice for the purpose of discussing the question.
Let any group of men who are affected by a dispute call for a meeting and the majority of those affected are entitled to a board by voting at that meeting. That is the principle which ought to be maintained,

and that is the principle which my hon friend from Timiskaming has asked to have recognized by proposing the amendment which he suggested to-night.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Mr. MACKENZIE. KING: Is the minister aware that the clause as introduced leaves out a very important amendment which was made-to this part of the Act in 1910 at the request of the railway employees of this country? It looks to me as though in the drafting of this particular measure the original Act has been before the minister but not the amendment of 1910. I would ask the minister if his attention has been drawn to the following clause, which is in the Act as it now stands and which was inserted as an amendment in 1910:
-or, where a dispute directly affects employees in more than one province and such employees are members of a trade union having a general committee authorized to carry on negotiations in disputes between employers and employees and so recognized by the employer, a statutory declaration by the chairman or president and by the secretary of such committeeand so forth. I may say that that amendment to the Act was introduced at the time I was Minister of Labour at the request of the railway employees. The employees of the Grand Trunk and the employees of the Canadian Pacific railway requested that amendment should be inserted, and the matter was taken up with the officers of the railway companies. They were wholly agreeable that in the case of the railway organizations it would be quite sufficient to apply for a board, to have the officers of the organization make the application and not necessitate a ballot of the members of the railway brotherhoods in order to get a board. That is a most important amendment, and I think is one that is valued by the railway employees. Unless the minister is prepared to throw it out altogether I think it ought to remain as part of the Act. Nothing has been said by the minister presenting the amendment with reference to leaving out this rather important feature.
Arthur Meighen: The hon. member is right in the assumption that my attention had not been called to that amendment of 1910. I have just received an intimation that the amendment added in 1910 is not affected at all by the amendment now proposed. It does not appear clear to me that such is the case. I would suggest that the section stand; I should like to look into the point raised.
Section stands.

On section 3-clerical correction consequent on amendment of section 16:


William Lyon Mackenzie King: This simply
corrects some errors in the previous legislation.


Arthur Meighen: Not errors, just corrections necessitated by the passing of clauses 1 and 2.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Well, the copy of the Bill I have bears the following marginal note:
Clerical correction consequent on amendment of section 16.


Arthur Meighen: Yes, but not any correction of errors in the legislation.


[Stage Direction]
Section agreed to.
Arthur Meighen: I move that the committee rise, report progress and beg leave to sit again. .


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, and progress reported.

[Stage Direction]
The House resumed from May 3rd consideration in committee of Bill No. 12 (Hon. Mr. Guthrie) respecting the election of members of the House of Commons and the electoral franchise.-Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
Georges Henri Boivin: When progress was
reported upon this Bill on Monday evening, all of the clauses and schedules had been read and considered. Clauses 2, 19, 28, 29, 30, 32, 33, 37, 44, 63, 76, 100 and 101; the amendment proposed by the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) to clause 28; the amendment proposed by the hon. member for Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon) to clause 37; the amendment proposed by the hon. the Acting Solicitor General (Mr. Guthrie) to clause 44; and several forms of schedules to the Bill, had been allowed to stand for further consideration. The other clauses and forms had been adopted. Clauses 19 and 76 which provide for the expenditure of money by the Government await the approval of the House of the required resolution. Clause 2 is being considered paragraph by paragraph. We have reached paragraph (b).	Shall this paragraph
carry?


Jean-Joseph Denis: There is in paragraph (b)
a bad inversion which I think makes the sense obscure and ambiguous. The paragraph as it is woTded reads:
" Candidate " or " candidate at an election ' includes any person elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada at an election.
I move to strike out the words " at an election" in the eighth line of paragraph (b) and put them in the seventh line after the word " elected " so that the paragraph may read:
" Candidate " or " candidate at an election " includes any person elected at an election to serve in the House of Commons of Canada.
This would make the sense very much clearer in my opinion.
'Mr. GUTHRIE:	I do not think it improves it at all. The paragraph is just as clear now as it would be if the words were transposed as suggested.


Mr. MURPHY:: Why are the words " at an election" necessary at all?


Hugh Guthrie: They have been considered necessary for a great many years. We have not changed the language of the old clause.


Charles Murphy: Are not these words
redundant?
Mr. DuTREMBLAY: I think it is important to retain these words. Sometimes a man is chosen as a candidate a long while before an election, and yet, under the law, he might not be a candidate at the time of the election. A man is considered a candidate only from the moment the writs are out.


Hugh Guthrie: That has no reference
to the object of the words. For the purposes of the controverted Elections Act, a man who has been elected is still properly described as a " candidate;" and for the purposes of this Act, so far as improper or illegal conduct at an election is concerned, he is still to be regarded as a " candidate." The fact that he has been elected does not relieve him of the obligations that are binding on candidates.
Amendment negatived; paragraph agreed to.
On paragraph (d)-"during an election" -"at an election "-" throughout an election."


Jean-Joseph Denis: I move that the following words be struck out:
__or the occurrence of a vacancy in consequence
of which a writ for an election is eventually issued.
We have two classes of elections, general elections and by-elections. Paragraph (d) provides that "during an election" or " at an election " or " throughout an election" shall include the period after the

issue of the writ or after the dissolution of Parliament. The period of a general election begins after the dissolution of Parliament and that of the by-election after the issue of the writ. If a seat becomes vacant to-day the election can be held inside of six months, and whatever may be the length of time before the election is brought on will be deemed, according to this clause, to be the period " during an election," "at an election," and " throughout an election." I think that the period between the occurrence of the vacancy and the time when the elected candidate is returned as elected should be given a reasonable limit.


Hugh Guthrie: These clauses have been prepared by very expert draftsmen and unless there is some good reason for a change I do not see any object dn changing them. My hon. friend thinks that six months is too long a period for a man to be a candidate. From the time the seat becomes vacant until an election must be held, by reason of an Act passed by this House, six months is the longest period that can intervene. In my judgment it is a very salutary provision. If a seat does become vacant we generally hear certain announcements that this man or that man is going to be a candidate. Very often before a vacancy has occurred candidates have been practically, although not formally, nominated. The clause is inserted to prevent corrupt or illegal practices during or after the election and the question is; when is a man supposed to. be a candidate? or: when does the period at or during an election commence and when does it end?
I think it is a very reasonable definition, and unless there is very good reason I would not like to change it. My hon. friend simply proposes that we shall strike out three lines of the section. 10 p.m. That is not very much of a reason in my judgment and I do not think he gave any 'reason to the committee.


Jean-Joseph Denis: The only reason is that according to this section an election is liable to last for six months and over.


Hugh Guthrie: It might last for more than that when there 'is a general election after a dissolution.


Jean-Joseph Denis: It would be an abuse of power to have a general election last for six months.


Hugh Guthrie: Not at all. If the House should dissolve to-day and an election were 
held in the fall, it would not be an abuse of power.


Jacques Bureau: The Acting Solicitor General claims that because this Act has been drafted by competent men we should adduce very good reasons for wishing to change it and that we are practically guilty of an offence if we do not agree to it. If I understand my hon. friend (Mr. Denis) his point is this: A vacancy occurs and suppose that a man has been chosen dn a county to run in the interest of one party. He becomes a candidate. For six months he can be spied upon and watched, to see what he is doing, whilst the other man may be nominated only on the eve of the election. His nomination as a candidate would not have any retroactive effect, and he could not be charged with having done anything that might be improper. In that way the candidate who had been in the field six months would be at a disadvantage. The early nomination would put him at a disadvantage over the other fellow who was nominated later.


Mr. DOHERTY:: It is the early bird that gets caught.


Jacques Bureau: He would not get the worm this time; it would work against him. Of course we are not supposed to commit any of these illegal acts, but if men are to be charged with things of this kind they should be put upon an equal footing and the time should be restricted to the period dating from the issue of the writs.


Charles Murphy: In what respect does the proposed section differ from the present Act?


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think there was a definition in the former Act. The courts in Ontario have decided that so long as a man announces himself a candidate, the question of time is of no consequence.


Charles Murphy: The question has been up more or less frequently in litigation, and that is what caused me to make the inquiry.


Hugh Guthrie: In our courts it has been held repeatedly that there is no limitation of time. Our (responsible officials suggest this change as a limitation which would be reasonable. When a vacancy does occur the public is aware that there is going to be an election-there is bound to be one within six months-and if people announce themselves as candidates they should be held responsible for the conduct

of the election. There is no disadvantage as between the two candidates. One may get the nomination on nomination day.


Jacques Bureau: On moral grounds, no, but on practical grounds, yes.


Hugh Guthrie: He may have no thought of running till nomination day. The other man may have been six months in the field. We assume that every man is conducting a proper and regular election. What disadvantage can it be to a man who happens to be in the field for six months.


Samuel William Jacobs: Six months is a long time to remain in purgatory.


Hugh Guthrie: I have been longer than that.
Amendment (Mr. Denis) negatived, and paragraph agreed to.
On paragraph (e)-election officer:


Hugh Guthrie: I move that, after the words "Chief Electoral Officer" at the end of line 25, the words "Assistant Chief Electoral Officer" be added.


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to.
Charles Murphy: Does this paragraph include the officials who would have charge of the advance polls?


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, it includes every official who is required to take the oath. The election officer is included in this section, those who attend the advance polls and all who are under oath.


Charles Murphy: In view of the explanation given by the hon; gentleman and of the language in the last line of this subsection, may I inquire if there are any other officials provided for in this Act who will not be sworn to the faithful performance of their duty?


Hugh Guthrie: No, I think they are all included in this. Every officer, as far as I am aware, has to be sworn.


Jean-Joseph Denis: Is it the intention of the minister that no officers but those mentioned in subsection (e) are to be sworn?


Hugh Guthrie: No, I did not say that. I said that every officer who is sworn is mentioned.


Jacques Bureau: Why not make it "having any duty to perform?"


Hugh Guthrie: There might be a constable called in to quell a riot and I do not suppose he is sworn. There is a special provision for such.


Jean-Joseph Denis: I move that paragraph (e) be amended by adding after the words "poll clerk" in the twenty-seventh line the words "registrar, revising officer"-those being the two officials left out, probably owing to this section having been taken from the old law which did not contemplate these new officials. I understand that the registrar and the revising officer are on the same footing as the election clerk, deputy returning officer and poll clerk, and, if so, they should be included in the section.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think there is any necessity to include them. The revising officer, if a judge, is not sworn (because he has taken his oath of office as a judge. The registrar and any one else who has to do with enumeration or revision have to be sworn.


Jacques Bureau: The revising officer must be sworn.


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, and the oaths are provided in every case, as are also the penalties.


Jacques Bureau: "Returning officer" is
mentioned in clause (e).


Jean-Joseph Denis: Since the minister has just mentioned that the registrar has to be sworn, surely his name should appear in the nomenclature of officers. If there is any objection to including the revising officer let us leave him out, but surely the registrar should be included as he is in the same category as the deputy returning officer, the poll clerk, and so on.


Hugh Guthrie: I suppose the constables and scrutineers should appear too, but the clause is general enough to include them all.


Jean-Joseph Denis: Then, if general, every one of these names should be struck out.


Hugh Guthrie: That might be a good
suggestion.


Jean-Joseph Denis: There is no use naming half of these officials and leaving out the other half of the officials whom we know to be controlled by this clause.


Jacques Bureau: Is there any objection to "registrar" being inserted?


Hugh Guthrie: I do not want to change the clause. It has been very carefully drawn.


Jacques Bureau: It may have been very carefully drawn, but that is no reason why this amendment should not be accepted.

The returning officer is among those who must be sworn, and certain penalties are provided in relation to misconduct by him and the other officials enumerated. But the registrar is more exposed to temptation to evade the law than any of these other officials, by reason of his office. 'Supposing any penalty is provided for in case of misconduct, and we want to proceed against a registrar, we would probably be met by the argument: This is a penal section and it must be interpreted very strictly; therefore who are the election officers who iare subject-to this penalty? But when we come to enumerate them we find the registrar is left out. I think the contention of my hon. friend from Joliette (Mr. Denis) is well founded, and that the word "registrar" ought to be included, because the registrar is an official who can use his position to party advantage at an election.


Hugh Guthrie: Will it shorten the discussion if we include it?


Jacques Bureau: Yes.


Hugh Guthrie: Then we will include it.


Jacques Bureau: Good.


Hugh Guthrie: I move that after the
word "returning officer" in the twenty-sixth line we insert the word "registrar."
Amendment (Mr. Guthrie) agreed to and paragraph (e) as amended agreed to.


Hugh Guthrie: We have used the term "election papers" in several later clauses of the Bill. I move therefore that a paragraph be added, which I suppose for the present we may term (e-1), as follows:
" Election papers " mean all ballot papers, including those unused, poll books, lists of voters, and other statements used at a polling station, and all other documents sent by any returning officer to the Chief Electoral Officer in compliance with this Act or any instructions issued by the said Chief Electoral Officer.


Jacques Bureau: What does the word "statements" mean?
Mr. GUTHRIE.: A certain statement has to be issued at the end of the poll showing the number of votes cast, for whom, and the number of unused ballots. One of these statements must be returned to the Chief Electoral Officer. These statements would also be called for in the case of controverted election proceedings. Instead of enumerating all these papers in each section we have framed this interpretation clause.


Charles Murphy: Should not the definition cover instructions issued by the Assistant Electoral Officer?


Hugh Guthrie: That could only happen through the illness of the Chief Electoral Officer, and in that event his assistant would issue instructions as Chief Electoral Officer.


Charles Murphy: Not as assistant?


Hugh Guthrie: He becomes the Acting Chief Electoral Officer. I have no objection to the additions. I therefore move that the words "or his assistant" 'be added to the proposed paragraph (e-1) after "Chief Electoral Officer."


[Stage Direction]
Amendment agreed to, and paragraph (e-1) as amended agreed to.
On paragraph (g)-"elector":
Jacques Bureau: Could not the words
"whether his name is or is not on any list of voters" be struck out?


Hugh Guthrie: No; "voter" in this Act is a man who votes or whose name is on the voters' list. "Elector" in this Act is a man whose name is not on the list but whose name is entitled to go on the list.
Paragraph (g) agreed to.
On paragraph (i)-"form":


Hugh Guthrie: I move that we add here as a new paragraph the following words, in order to define the word "hours":
" Hours of the day " when mentioned in this Act shall be calculated upon standard time.


William Stevens Fielding: What does "standard time" mean?
Mr.'GUTHRIE: Standard time is defined in our statutes, I understand, as calculated from Greenwich.


Jacques Bureau: There are different kinds of standard time-Eastern standard time, Atlantic standard time, Central, Western and Pacific.


William Stevens Fielding: Has the minister the definition of "standard time" at hand?


Hugh Guthrie: No, but our standard time, as I understand it, is twenty minutes after solar time, and solar time in this country is computed so many hours-five hours and something-after Greenwich time. Whether you are in the East, the Centre or the West, standard time is fixed. There are a number of judicial decisions on the question. I know that the Ontario

statute fixes it definitely, and I think it is fixed also by Dominion statute.


Ernest Lapointe: I think that this paragraph ought to be further considered, because standard time in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick is one hour earlier than standard time in Quebec and Ontario; it is different in different parts of the country.


Hugh Guthrie: Well, they would all come within my definition. We know what standard time in Ontario is; they know what it is in Manitoba; they know what it is in every province of Canada. The simple term "standard time" is a well known and accepted term.


William Stevens Fielding: In a province of large area, the adoption of "standard time," as defined by the minister, might result in the time being different in different portions of that province.


Hugh Guthrie: A very slight difference.


William Stevens Fielding: But a very slight difference may be material in this case. Possibly each province has defined what shall be standard time within that province. In that case it would be well to say:	"standard
time as defined by the provincial legislature." But to adopt the term "standard time" alone may give rise to confusion and difficulty.


Hugh Guthrie: Well, I do not want any difficulty or doubt to exist on the subject; we will let that definition stand.
Proposed paragraph stands.
On paragraph (Ik)-"list of voters":


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: If there is any possibility of the provincial lists being adopted, it would be necessary to refer to them as "provincial lists". If this paragraph stands as it is and the lists in Nova Scotia are accepted, they will not have been prepared "as required by this Act." Of course, we are still hopeful that, at all events so far as Nova Scotia is concerned, the electoral lists will be the provincial lists.


Avard Longley Davidson: Vain hope.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: My hon. friend seems to know all that is coming and going; he says it is a vain hope. But we still cling to the hope, vain though it may be; and we shall die with our faces to the foe and fighting desperately.


William Stevens Fielding: If this paragraph is to stand, I have nothing further to say. If it is to be adhered to now, may I suggest
that it end with the words "as required by this Act"? Whatever is required by the Act will then be covered by this definition.


Hugh Guthrie: Well, there are several places in the Act where the provincial lists are referred to. In clause 32 they are referred to several times; they are made the basis of our voters' lists where those lists are not more . than a year old. I cannot see any objection to having some definition of them in the interpretation clause.


William Stevens Fielding: It might be well to let this stand until the "list" clauses are considered. If this were the only clause left,
I would not object, but there aTe several others, and if there is to be further discussion on the "list" clauses, it is only reasonable that this should stand until that discussion takes place.
Paragraph (k) stands.
On paragraph (1)-member:


Jacques Bureau: What is the difference between a "member of the House of Commons of Canada" and a "person elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada?" The only difference that I can see is the fact that a member of the House of Commons is sworn before he can take his seat. Paragraph (b) defines a candidate as "any person elected to serve in the House of Commons of Canada at an, election." It is difficult to have a man elected to serve as a member of the House of Commons of Canada otherwise than at an election, whether it be by acclamation or at a contested election.


Hugh Guthrie: There may be a great
distinction. A person elected to serve may never sit; he may get into the election courts and find that he was not legally elected although returned by the returning officer. A member of the House of Commons .means a man who has been actually introduced and who has taken his seat.


Jacques Bureau: Do I understand from
that, that a man who has been elected and declared elected and whose election is not protested, is considered to be a "candidate" until after he is sworn?


Hugh Guthrie: A man, for the purpose of those Acts, continues to be a "candidate" notwithstanding the fact that he has been elected, and as such is still liable for anything he may have done during the campaign.


Jacques Bureau: A man cannot be tried
at election trials for acts he has done after

he has been declared elected by the returning officer, and I claim he ceases to be a candidate the moment he has been declared to have been elected by the returning officer. A man who is a candidate is a candidate from the date he puts in his nomination until the date of the election. But, under the definition of the minister, a man would be both a candidate 'and a member of this House. My election was protested; it was fought for three years, and I sat in this House during all that time, and during all that time I do not think I could have been reproached at the trial for anything that took place after the election was over.


Hugh Guthrie: No, you could not.


Jacques Bureau: Then, I am no longer a candidate because I am liable only as a candidate. Whether I am a member of the House or not, my condition up to the date I was declared to be a member does not change. The proceedings are taken against me as a candidate, and I was a candidate until the date I was declared elected. The moment I was declared elected, I ceased to be a candidate.


Hugh Guthrie: Technically and in accordance with ordinary English, as we would understand the English language, all that my hon. friend has said is correct. He is a candidate until he is elected; then, he is a member. But our law provides that during the time when a man is a candidate, if he does certain things, the consequences of his wrong-doing may be visited upon him, notwithstanding the fact that he has become a member; the mere fact of his having become a member does not relieve him from th consequences of his former acts. He is still, in the eye of the law, a candidate, answerable under the penal clauses of the Controverted Elections Act which has been in force for a long time. It has always been recognized that, under the Controverted Elections Act, the word "candidate" means any person elected to serve as a member and any person who has been nominated and who has not been elected. The object of this is to preserve the obligation and responsibility of that man for all acts done by him during his electoral contest when he was in fact a candidate. The mere fact that he has been elected a member dos not relieve him in any way and does not change his public or official capacity; he is still a candidate in the eye of the law, although, in fact, he is not.


Jacques Bureau: I agree with the minister. The fact that my condition changes does not relieve me of responsibility for acts done by me when I bore another title. But what I think is not correct is that in the Controverted Elections Act it says that a member elected is a candidate. He is not and he cannot be. I cannot have a dual position. I was a member of the House of Commons, as I said just now, and I was not a candidate. I will not put up my knowledge of English against that of the Acting Solicitor General, but I will give an example. Suppose I am going to act as clerk for the Minister of Justice, and I am under bond, the hon. member for Brome (Mr. Mc-Master) being my bondsman, and the Minister of Justice says that my services are not worth the money, and he fires me.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I could not do that.


Jacques Bureau: After I am fired, I cease to be a clerk of the Minister of Justice. I have committed something for which my bondsman would be called upon to answer; but does the fact that I am no longer clerk of the Minister of Justice relieve the bondsman? The question is very simple; the question is not whether I am called a candidate or a member; the point is that I was acting in a certain capacity at a certain time and that while I was acting in that capacity the law said that I should not do certain things. Therefore, it is an anomaly to say that an election will take place on such-and-such a date and when the election is over, the person who has the majority of votes will be elected, even though the election is contested, and at the same time to say that that man, although elected to the House of Commons, is still a candidate.


Hugh Guthrie: Our law so says.


Jacques Bureau: If it is wrong, let us amend it.


Hugh Guthrie: In that case we would have to amend a good many laws.


Jacques Bureau: We are here for reconstruct dn.


Hugh Guthrie: The Controverted Elections Act and other Acts are worded in that way. I agree that technically a man after election day ceases to be a candidate, but in the eyes of the penal law, he is still a candidate.
Paragraph (1) agreed to.

On paragraph (n)-official agent:


Charles Gavan Power: Does this include an additional official agent? If not, would it be possible to amend it so as to include an additional official agent?


Hugh Guthrie: It includes any official agent. This is the old paragraph verbatim.


Charles Gavan Power: But I do not think that under the old paragraph you could appoint an additional official agent.


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, you could.
Paragraph (n) agreed to.
On paragraph (o)-oath:


Peter H. McKenzie: I suppose the word "affirmation" covers the case of a man, who, on account of scruples, does not wish to swear.


Hugh Guthrie: Yes.
Paragraph (o) agreed to.
On paragraph (r) " personal expenses."


Charles Gavan Power: Does this also include the expenses of, say, the chauffeur, or the driver of the candidate? They are not exactly personal expenses, but it has been the custom in the past, and I do not think we will get away from it, for a candidate to pay at least the expenses of his driver.


Hugh Guthrie: I think undoubtedly
those expenses are part of his personal expenses.
Mr. BUREAU; Does it include tips.


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, tips are said to be included.


Jacques Bureau: A man is generally pretty flush at election time.


Hugh Guthrie: They are part of his
personal expenses.
Paragraph (r) agreed to.
On paragraph (v) " urban polling division ":


John Howard Sinclair: Would incorporated towns with a population of less than a thousand be urban, or rural?


Hugh Guthrie: I think the Bill requires a population of a thousand and incorporation. Anything under a thousand would be a rural division if I read the provision rightly. -


John Howard Sinclair: Even if it is incorporated?


Hugh Guthrie: The first requirement
is having a population of more than one
thousand. It would require to be an incorporated place also-they must be places which under the provincial law, are_ cities, towns or incorporated villages.	.


John Howard Sinclair: There are towns in Canada which are incorporated and have less than one thousand population.


Hugh Guthrie: As this clause is drawn, they would be considered rural divisions unless they meet both of these qualifications:	first, that they have one thousand population, and secondly, that they are incorporated. If they lack in either respect, as the clause is drawn, they would be rural divisions. I do not know whether we might change the provision; I have an open mind on it, anyway.


Charles Robert Harrison: We have a lot of incorporated villages that have not a thousand population.


Hugh Guthrie: Supposing we substitute the word " or " for the word " and."


Mr. ARTHURS:: Would the minister read the next paragraph?


Hugh Guthrie: (w) " rural polling- division " means a polling division whereof no part is contained within a place having a population of more than one thousand persons, and which place under the provincial law is a city, town or incorporated village.
The first paragraph can be altered to in-elude ever'y place with a population of a thousand by substituting the word " or " for the word " and." That would mean that any place with a thousand population or which was in-coroorated under provincial law as a city, town or village, would be an urban division.


Charles Gavan Power: Any place which had a
thousand population irrespective of whether it was incorporated under provincial law. The question would be to define the limitation of the word " place."


Jacques Bureau: And the population also.


Charles Gavan Power: For instance, we might
call a township a place, might we not? And if this township had one thousand of a population it would become an urban poll ing division under the suggestion of the minister.


Hugh Guthrie: That would be a difficulty.


Mr. MARCILE:: We have in our province a lot of villages and small towns that should be more properly considered rural than urban. I should think that a popu-

lation of two thousand would not be too , schedule to the Act what towns and cities large a limit to make.	in the Dominion are urban.


Hugh Guthrie: If we are going to have any limitation at all it should be one thousand. We have innumerable villages in Canada with a population running between one thousand and two thousand people that are all incorporated and have the whole working machinery of a municipality. It was to enable those to become urban divisions that a population of one thousand was fixed upon. But my hon. friend will see that it is not what this Act says with regard to incorporation, it is what the province of Quebec has declared, that would affect his riding. A " place" in my hon. friend's constituency in the province of Quebec would have to have in the first place a population of one thousand people. In the second place it would have to be, by the laws of Quebec, either a city, town or village. If it had both these qualifications then it would be an urban division. If it had the thousand population but no incorporation it would still be a rural division. If it had incorporation and less than one thousand people it would still be a rural division. That was the intention of the draftsman when he prepared the Act.


Joseph Edmond Marcile: There are a number of small towns in my constituency. The town of Actonvale, for example, has a population of thirteen hundred or fourteen hundred, and it is an incorporated town.


Hugh Guthrie: Then you are all right.


Joseph Edmond Marcile: We are all right to be considered as an urban division, but I would rather be under a Tural division.
Paragraph (v) agreed to.
On paragraph (w)-rural polling division:


John Howard Sinclair: I think the minister ought to put beyond doubt what is an urban and what is a rural polling division, because it is a matter of very great importance in connection with the voting. The hours of voting are different in the rural division from those in the urban division, and the method of making the lists is different, as I understand the Act.


Hugh Guthrie: What does my hon.
friend suggest in order to place it beyond doubt?


John Howard Sinclair: I would suggest we should make it certain by stating in a


Hugh Guthrie: It would be out of date in six months at the rate that new towns are springing up.


John Howard Sinclair: The section does not seem clear to me, but if the minister thinks it is clear very good.
Mr. GUTHlRIE:	It is the Chief Electoral Officer who has the power to decide.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Why not give him the power to issue a proclamation at the time he is issuing other proclamations, dealing with this matter?


Hugh Guthrie: I think that would be a very good idea. When we come to that clause we will insert a provision to enable him to state in his proclamation whether it is a rural or urban division.


Jacques Bureau: Has the word " or " been substituted for the word " and " in the other paragraph?


Hugh Guthrie: No, I did not make the change.


John Howard Sinclair: Will the census
settle what the population is, and if so should not the census be mentioned?


Hugh Guthrie: I do not suppose it is the census, it is the Chief Electoral Officer who will decide this by his proclamation It would be unfair to decide by a census almost ten years old. The object of making the Chief Electoral Officer the final referee in such matters is to avoid any difficulty or uncertainty, and I think that the suggestion of the leader of the Opposition would meet the difficulty in every respect, because we shall have a clause which will state that the Chief Electoral Officer, when the writ is issued, shall make a statement as to whether the division is rural or urban.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: There is one point in connection with this section to which I desire to direct the attention of the minister. Something has been said about incorporated villages being sometimes incorporated although they have less than a thousand persons. Suppose you have an incorporated village of only seven hundred persons, will it fall within the definition of an "urban polling division" or a "rural polling division"?


John Flaws Reid: It is a common practice in the West for rural electors to vote in the town or village. Will such rural electors have to register?


Hugh Guthrie: If they are qualified electors in a town or village, which is recognized as such under this Act, then they have to register. If, however, they are rural voters entitled to vote in a rural division they do not register.


John Flaws Reid: I am speaking of rural electors who vote in the polling division in the town.


Hugh Guthrie: If the returning officer or the deputy returning officer fixes the polling station in the town that will not afiect their rights; he might fix it there for convenience. He shall fix it in the polling division.


Levi Thomson: I think the minister misunderstands the question of my hon. friend. Take my own town of over a thousand inhabitants. It takes in polling places in the country three or four miles around. The point my hon. friend wants to have made clear is whether the farmers three or four miles from town will have to register personally the same as voters in the town.


Hugh Guthrie: The question then is whether they belong to a rural or to an urban polling division.


Levi Thomson: The hon. member wants to know whether they would have to register.


Hugh Guthrie: An urban polling division is described as a polling division which is wholly or partly contained within places having a population of more than one thousand persons. If the voters to whom my hon. friend refers voted in such a division they would form part of an urban division and would have to register.


John Flaws Reid: I think that would be a hardship on such voters. Why should they not be permitted to vote in the polling division in the town without registering? Their names would be on the list anyway. The fact that they are rural electors and for convenience sake poll their votes in the town should not make it necessary for farmers living four and five miles from the polling station in the town to come in and register. Their names will be on the list compiled by the enumerator, so why ask them to come in and register the same as electors living in the town or city?


Hugh Guthrie: Does the hon. member say that their names will be on the list compiled by the enumerators?


John Flaws Reid: Yes.


Hugh Guthrie: Then they cannot be urban voters if their names are on the enumerator's list. If the returning officer, in fixing the polling division includes any portion of the country, his polling division, whether it be in city or town or incorporated village, will embrace the whole territory and every one in it must register. The returning officer must fix the polling divisions for the convenience of the people, and if they are voters six miles out there will be a polling division there and those voters will be enumerated. But if voters are part of an urban polling division they w'ill have to register; rural voters do not register.


Mr. ALFRED THOMPSON:: There is a matter in regard to which I should like to have the opinion of the minister. I am not a lawyer and therefore am not conversant with this particular section. In the Yukon territory we have what is known as an unincorporated, town, and I want to be sure that provision is made for the voters in such a place. I desire to quote a few words from the Consolidated Ordinances of the Yukon Territory, dated 1914. Under the interpretation clause of Ordinance 88 the expression "town" means "any town organized under the provisions of this Ordinance." The clause says:
Whenever the Commissioner is satisfied by such proof as he requires that any portion of the Yukon Territory (no part of which is within the limits of any incorporated city or town) contains not less than ten dwelling houses, he may cause notice to be posted in three conspicuous places within such area (one of which shall be the post office therein) that it is proposed to establish the same as a town after the expiration of thirty days from such posting.
The Ordinance goes on to provide for the election of an overseer. I am not sure whether there is such * an unincorporated town in any of the provinces, and I would ask the minister to express an opinion on that point.


Hugh Guthrie: That corresponds very much with what is known in Ontario as the police village. Such villages have not the full powers of incorporated municipalities, but they have certain municipal powers conferred upon them. Such a place as my hon. friend has mentioned would constitute under this Bill, a rural polling place. Paragraph (w) agreed to.
On paragraph (x)-voter:


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: This paragraph contains some objectionable features. It reads:
" Voter " means any elector whose name appears on any list of voters prepared or added to

as directed by this Act, and includes any person who, whether or not a voter as defined, applies to vote or has voted at an election.
If a man who has no business to go into a polling booth, who is not on the list and who is not qualified, goes in and asks for a ballot, he immediately becomes a voter. He says: "I am a voter; I have asked for a ballot; I have asked to be permitted to vote; therefore I am a voter." Every voter should vote. What are you going to do? You have made him a voter by allowing him to ask for a ballot. Why give rise to a complication of that kind?


Hugh Guthrie: I do not see how any such complication could arise. The last sentence of the section is meant to cover persons who have not been included in the list. Some man has been improperly left off the list; he is certainly an elector, he has the right to vote, he goes in and applies for a ballot and in the eye of the law he is a voter. If he votes improperly he is liable to very severe penalties.


Charles Gavan Power: Why not make it "and" instead of "or"?


Hugh Guthrie: Suppose he applies to vote and you do not let him vote but arrest him before he gets his vote in? For the penal part of this Act he is still a "voter."
Mr. McEElNZIE: This says that he is a voter if he applies for a vote. A voter must have certain qualifications, but this says that any man who applies for a ballot is a voter. If it does not mean that it does not mean anything.


Hugh Guthrie: It is only to protect the public from improper voting. Paragraph (x) agreed to. .
On new proposed paragraph "Hours oi the day":


Hugh Guthrie: In regard to that question as to the definition of standard time my hon. friend the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty) has pointed out to me that the de facto standard time in each province is standard time. Standard or de facto time is not fixed by Dominion law but by custom or by provincial legislation. When the Daylight Saving Bill was before this House that was recognized. Class 2 says:
During the prescribed period in each year in which this Act is in force, the time, for general purposes in Canada, in each province, shall be one hour in advance of the time which under the law of the province is the time prescribed for such province, and, if there is no time so prescribed, of the accepted standard time.

I	think my definition fixing the hours of the day as meaning standard time will be the de facto standard time in each province.
Mr. BUREAU-That was defined for a special purpose.


Hugh Guthrie: It is the only definition we have. It is the standard time which must have been in force under all our election laws heretofore passed in this country.
(Mr. BUREAU: We might say that the provincial time shall be the standard time as defined by the provincial statute.


Charles Joseph Doherty: When we passed that legislation we found that in every province, I think without exception, there was legislation fixing the standard time. What makes it clear that we were proceeding on that basis is what happened later on. We had subsequently to amend that Act because, following our good example of enacting daylight saving, several provinces modified their laws and made their fixed time an hour later, which produced the result that our legislation said that the time should be an hour later than
II	p.m. the provincial time. Then the
provinces came in and made their time another hour later and we got it two hours later. We had to amend the law to make it read that it should be an hour later than the time as fixed by provincial legislation at the date of the enactment of the first statute. That brought us back into line again. However we found that there must be another exception to cover the case where a province did not fix a settled time and we provided that it should he an hour later than the de facto accepted standard time, whatever it was. I do not think we ran any great risk. After all in a statute words mean what they mean in ordinary language. You do not need a special definition unless you wish to make them mean something different. When we read a time table in a newspaper stating that a train will leave at such an hour, standard time, do we not all know what it means? Why should you put a technical meaning upon the words of a statute?


Jacques Bureau: They have eastern standard time, and central standard time.


Charles Joseph Doherty: These are different standard times. In the east there is eastern standard time, in the centre central standard time, and so on across the continent. It is the accepted meaning.


Hugh Guthrie: The only object in introducing it is to avoid any complication that might arise as a result of this so-called daylight saving.


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Paragraph agreed to.
On clause 28-polling divisions:
Georges Henri Boivin: The question is on the amendment moved by the member for Brome (Mr. McMaster).


William Lyon Mackenzie King: When this
clause first came up for consideration I think the minister mentioned that he was not aware of any cases where difficulty had arisen because of the returning officer being allowed discretion to state what particular localities he wished to designate as polling subdivisions. I would like to draw the attention of the minister to the recent byelection in Timiskaming, which was held under a clause precisely similar to the one we are now considering. While that byelection was in progress I received from Cochrane, Ontario, the following telegram from the secretary of one of the political associations there:
Intolerable conditions obtain in Temiskaming by-election. Through use of same polling divisions as in 1917 election hundreds of voters are practically disfranchised through inaccessibility of polls fixed. Fredericlchouse, Fauquier, Smooth Rock Falls, Glackmeyer Township where hundreds of votes were polled in the provincial elections are without polls; whereas Poller Post Office where eight votes were polled then and other small places have a federal poll. Cannot the provincial polling stations be used as subdivision 'of Federal polls by Order in Council?
IBefore replying to that telegram I spoke to one of the members of the Government about it and was informed that the Acting Prime Minister had received a similar telegram. I replied by saying:
I am informed that Acting Prime Ministet has received telegram similar to one sent by you to me, and that Clerk of the Crown in Chancery is at present looking into conditions re polling facilities. If matters not satisfactorily ' arranged within next few days, please wire me again, and I shall bring it up for public discussion in Parliament.
I understand that the 'Clerk of the Crown in Chancery did have the matter under review, and found that while it was obviously desirable that the polling divisions should be more in accordance with what would suit the convenience of the electors, yet he had not the power to make the necessary alterations, and in consequence in many of the districts the change was not made. I have since received the following letter in further explanation of the actual situation in the Timiskaming election:
As an example of the hardships which will practically disenfranchise hundreds of voters if polls are left as in 1917-
In 1917 they were fixed in accordance with a provision very similar to the one we are now discussing.

I will cite Smooth Rock Falls with its 385 employees of the Mattagami Pulp and Paper Company Limited, who have wives and daughters also entitled to vote. If the poll is fixed at Jaeksonboro as in 1917 it will be impossible for hundreds to go and vote. The only road between the two places is over the ice and there will be slush in April forbidding traffic. There is also a small switchback engine with box-car that could cover the 4 miles during the day but it is hardly practicable on a large scale, while the easy solution would be to have two polls in this division ; one at Jaeksonboro and one at Smooth Rock Falls.
Instead of only one poll for Moonbeam, Fauquier and Gregoire Mills, urhich are 4 and 6 miles apart (10 miles from Gregoire Mills to Moonbeam) over the track, there should be three polls as in the provincial elections.
Frederickhouse, where the Beaver Abitibi Company has a mill employing a few hundred hands has no poll because there is a poll at Clute in the same township. But the only way to get to Clute Post Office from Frederickhouse is to drive six miles in slush in April to Cochrane then about 8 miles out to Clute. For this difficulty there should be a poll at this industrial and agricultural centre of Frederickhouse also, and a poll at LaRocque Post Office which is in the geographical centre of Glackmeyer Township, whose inhabitants have to go to Clute Post Office out of the way to vote. Glackmeyer township has become an incorporated municipality recently and it has no poll in its limits.
Norembega in Fox Township has a large population which must, walk 6 miles and over a railway bridge to vote at Browser. Such Prussian methods force, needless to say, all our settlers' wives to stay at home and their husbands' votes are offset by the women's votes in the towns where polls are accessible.
The writer goes on to say that he is trying to have that corrected by adopting the provincial polling divisions.
I might also mention to my hon. friend that I think it was brought to the attention of the Government that during the last Dominion general election in the district of Edmonton, where the Hon. Frank Oliver was a candidate, the electors in what is known as Faulkner were obliged to cut their way for thirty miles through bush to reach the poll at a railway pump house, and many of them found it impossible to get there. That condition arose through leaving to the returning officer full discretion in the location of the polling divisions. I am sure my hon. friend does not want such an embarrassing situation to arise in the future, and I would suggest that he consider amending this section. In this connection let me say that I have consulted the member for Bro'me (Mr, McMaster) and he has given



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me authority to withdraw his amendment, should the minister see fit to accept what I am about to suggest. I realize that the minister may desire ithat the returning officer should have some discretion, and he should not be obliged to rigidly follow the provincial divisions if there are good and substantial reasons for departing from them, and therefore I would ask the minister to consider striking out the words:
He may adopt, it convenient for the occasion, any or all of the polling divisions or subdivisions established under the laws of the province for provincial or municipal elections.
And substituting the following:
Unless there are good and substantial reasons to the contrary, of which he shall make a record in his return, the returning officer shall adopt any or all of the polling divisions or subdivisions established under the laws of the province for municipal or provincial elections.
That simply recognizes the established polling divisions and requires the returning officer to adopt them unless there are good and substantial reasons to the contrary, in which event he must put those reasons on record. I will not propose this amendment unless the minister desires me to do so, but I think if he peruses it he will see the reasonableness of my suggestion in view of the difficulties that were experienced in the last elections.
Hugh Guthrie: Of course, one outstanding difficulty is that the ridings are not coextensive, and consequently in a great many cases the polling subdivisions will not be co-extensive.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Quite so.


Hugh Guthrie: I understand in practice not only the municipal but also the provincial polling divisions are adopted. I am told that in ninety per cent of the polling subdivisions we use the same polls as those established for municipal and provincial elections, but that in some of the less settled portions of the country, where the divisions are not co-extensive and the population is just moving in and is not at all stationary, it would be very inconvenient to accept either the municipal or the provincial polls But if the returning officer is to have a discretion in the matter I do not see much objection to the proposal. However, I would like to study the amendment.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: What the minister has just said would be to my mind a good and substantial reason for not adopting all provincial polling divisions where
[Mr Mackenzie King.]
the ridings were not co-extensive and I think my suggestion meets what he has in mind.


Hugh Guthrie: That would go in at
line 24, striking out the words " he may adopt, if convenient for the occasion"?


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Yes.


Hugh Guthrie: Well, I suppose the
returning officer should be the judge as to whether there are " good and substantial reasons."


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That leaves it to him. I understood that my hon. friend was prepared to concede that point to the member for Brome. We discussed this matter together and we thought that by adding a provision requiring the returning officer to give substantial reasons why he did not adopt the provincial divisions would be providing greater security for tlje electors.


Hugh Guthrie: Well then, I will accept that suggestion.
Amendment (Mr. McMaster) negatived.


Hugh Guthrie: I move that section 28
be amended by substituting for the words "He may adopt, if convenient for the occasion," in lines 24 and 25 on page 11 of the Bill the following words:
Unless there are good and substantial reasons to the contrary, of which he shall make a record in his return, the returning officer shall adopt.


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Amendment agreed to, and section as amended agreed to.
On section 30-disqualification of electors:
Hugh Guthrie: To the last clause of
section 30 objection was taken by the member for West Elgin (Mr. Crothers), and, I think, well taken, because the clause as drawn did not have the meaning intended to he conveyed. 1 move that the five last lines of subsection 2 be struck out and the following substituted therefor:
Upon the trial of any person accused of violating this section, when it is proved that the person in respect of whose vote the prosecution is, had voted at such election, the burden of proving that such person was qualified to vote, or, if such person was disqualified, non-qualified or incompetent to vote, that the accused did not know thereof, shall he upon the accused.
In other words, upon prosecution under this section, it shali only be necessary for the prosecuting party to prove the record, to prove that the man voted, and after that has been proved the onus is on the

man who did vote to show that he had the right to vote. That was the intention of the draftsman, but it was not properly expressed. .


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Amendment agreed to.
Jean-Joseph Denis: Has the minister taken into consideration the suggestion made when this clause was previously under discussion with regard to the possible disfranchisement of the inmates of an institution which had been the recipient of a certain amount of money from the Government of the province in which it was located?


Hugh Guthrie: I adopted the suggestion of the hon. member for Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau)' by inserting the word " public in two places in the section. The committee thought that that cured the defect if there was any.
Clause as amended, agreed to.
On clause 33-when new lists of voters unnecessary:


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Inasmuch as
this clause relates to the lists of voters, would it not be wise to let it stand along with the other one we are holding?


Hugh Guthrie: If we change the other
clause, it would follow that we would change this clause also, but I would like to pass as many as we can.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Very good.


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Clause agreed to.
Hugh Guthrie: I move that we reconsider clause 45 and allow it to stand. My reason for this is that it has been pointed out by the Assistant Clerk of the Crown in Chancery that the language in this clause and clause 44 is not very appropriate and that the clauses should be transposed to some extent. He will give me corrected drafts and I will propose the amendments when this Bill is again before the committee.


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Motion agreed to.
Charles Gavan Power: As a matter of information might I ask if clause 62 has been disposed of?	.


Georges Henri Boivin: Clause 62 has been carried.


Charles Gavan Power: Was any amendment made to it?	1


Georges Henri Boivin: In line 23 the words were added "unable to read."


Charles Gavan Power: Would it be in order for me to make a suggestion with respect to clause 62?


Georges Henri Boivin: It would not be in order without obtaining the unanimous consent of the committee to return to that clause. I will endeavour to secure the unanimous consent of the committee for the hon. member. Mr. Power moves, by unanimous consent, that the committee return to consideration of clause 62 which has been carried.


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Motion agreed to.
Charles Gavan Power: Subsection 9 of section 62 reads as follows:
Whenever the deputy returning officer does not understand the language spoken hy any voter that officer shall swear an interpreter, who shall be the means of communication between him and the voter with reference to all matters required to enable such voter to vote, and in case no interpreter is found, such voter shall not he allowed to vote.
Take the case of a Frenchman in Toronto, who finds that he is unable to speak, English. The deputy returning officer does not understand him and cannot find an interpreter, and this man will be deprived of his vote. Or take the case of an English Canadian somewhere in Quebec, who cannot speak French. If an interpreter cannot be found 'this man will also be deprived of his vote.


An hon. MEMBER:: They all understand English down there.


Charles Gavan Power: I am simply suggesting this to the minister. I make no comment on it whatever, but leave the matter to his good sense.


Hugh Guthrie: I do not think such a case as the hon. gentleman has mentioned could arise. This is identically the same provision as in the old law.


Charles Gavan Power: I do not care whether it is old law or not. If an injustice is done it should be remedied.


Hugh Guthrie: I never heard of an injustice being done under this provision, and I cannot imagine anything of the kind.


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Section agreed to.
On section 100-advance polls for railway employees and others:
Hugh Guthrie: Clause 100 was allowed to stand over last night in order that we might draft a section to meet certain objections that were then raised. I have drafted a section in which I have en-

deavoured to carry out the suggestions which were made. I move to amend section 100 by striking out all the words in subsection 14, and substituting therefor the following words:
(14) At the close ol the poll each day the deputy returning officer shall in the presence of such of the candidates or their agents or of the electors representing candidates as may he entitled to be present and are present :*-*
(a)	Unseal and open the ballot box.
(b)	Empty the ballots (in such manner as not to disclose for whom any elector has voted) into a special envelope supplied for the purpose.
(c)	Seal such envelope.
(d)	Count the unused ballots and the certificates in form TT which up to that time have
been presented.
(e)	Place the unused ballots and certificates in form TT in another envelope which shall be supplied for the purpose.
(f)	Endorse thereon the number of such unused ballots and certificates in form TT.
(g)	Seal up the said envelope.
The Deputy Returning Officer shall and such candidates and their agents or electors representing candidates as are present may affix their seals or signatures or both to both envelopes and the Deputy Returning Officer shall then place both envelopes in the ballot box and lock the same and the Deputy Returning Officer shall and every candidate or agent present who desires to do so may affix their respective seals and signatures to the ballot box in such a manner that the box cannot be opened or anything deposited therein or removed therefrom without breaking such seals.
At the re-opening of the poll each day the ballot box shall be opened and the envelope containing the unused ballots shall be taken out and opened, the ballot box being immediately thereafter locked and kept locked except as herein otherwise provided.
I also move to insert in subelause 15, line 33 after the word " box," the following words:
and the sealed envelopes containing ballots.
I also move to insert as a new subelause immediately after subclause 15:
Subject to the provisions of this section the provisions of this Act relating to polls shall, in so far as applicable, apply to advance polls.
The effect of that would be to give the agents and officials in advance polls all the authority and cast on them all the duties that are cast on other officials and agents under the general clauses of the Act. I think that carries out fully and precisely the suggestions that were made last evening.


Jacques Bureau: This is too long an amendment to be grasped on the spur o.f the moment, but we will have it in Hansard to-morrow. I for one caniot follow it now.


Hugh Guthrie: I submitted it to the
leader of the Opposition earlier in the day.
[Mr. Guthrie.)


Jacques Bureau: I did not know that.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The minister
was kind enough to let me have a copy of the amendment earlier in the day, and I think what he has said to-night as to drafting it along the lines that were discussed last evening is quite correct. But may I, in that connection, ask him if he would not he agreeable to adding one or two words to make the intention a little clearer?


Hugh Guthrie: Certainly.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Where it is
suggested in subsection (e) that there should be sealed envelopes, something was said last night about endorsing on the outside of the envelope the number of ballots enclosed.


Hugh Guthrie: That appears in paragraph (i).


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is true.
I was going to ask, however, if it might not be advisable after sealing the envelope to place upon it the number of the last ballot. That would be a precaution.


Hugh Guthrie: The ballots are not
numbered.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: The stubs are numbered, and it is possible from the stub to ascertain what the number of the last ballot was.


Hugh Guthrie: If the deputy returning officer puts on the envelope the number of unused ballots and the number of the certificates voted upon, I would think that would be sufficient.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: It would be
an additional precaution, but in view of the minister's statement I will not press it. Another point I was more particular about was the reopening of the boxes the following morning. I presume it is the minister's intention that they shall be reopened in the- same manner in which they were closed in the evening, that is to say in the presence of the candidates or their agents. I would therefore suggest to the minister that he insert in the last section after the word "opened" the following words:
by the deputy returning officer in the presence of such of the candidates or their agents or of the electors representing candidates as may be entitled to be present and are present.
This is to make sure that the opening of the box on the following day is in the presence of the deputy returning officer and the agents of the candidates.


Hugh Guthrie: We have made the provisions of section 54 specially apply They

go pretty fully into the counting o'f the ballots. However, I see no objection and move to add the words my hon. friend suggests.


Charles Murphy: The effect of this amendment will be that the ballots cast on the first two days will remain in the custody of the returning officer, enclosed in envelopes which will not be opened for the purpose of counting, until the close of the poll at the end of the election.


Hugh Guthrie: That is right.


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Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I have nothing to say about this section except that there is a schedule, which this amendment Tefers to. in which certain towns are named as advance polls. I see that the town in which I live, North Sydney, is mentioned in that schedule. I venture to say that no one in North Sydney ever asked to have that place included in this schedule, and there is no necessity for it to be there. I do not know of any travelling agents residing at North Sydney. It is a railway station, but it is not a terminus at which railway men reside; and I have never heard of any necessity for having an advance poll placed in that town. I do not see why we should go to the expense of holding a poll for three days in a place where hardly any number of the class of electors concerned will vote.


Georges Henri Boivin: The committee cannot now enter into a discussion on the schedule to this Act. It would require a special motion to do so.


Hugh Guthrie: I may say in answer to my hon. friend that the schedule to this Act as drafted have been revised, a committee of railway men and the Commercial Travellers' Association having dealt with them. They have not made any change in regard to Nova Scotia, and I see that North Sydney still remains in the schedule. When we come to the schedule we shall be glad to have representations made, and if any place does not -want to be favoured with an advance poll no one will be anxious to impose anything unnecessary on it.


Mr. PARDEE:: Subsection (1) says
"every railway employee, sailor, commercial traveller or other person" may vote at an advance poll. Does the minister not think that there ought to be something specific here? The words "or other person" are too broad.


Hugh Guthrie: Read on.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I have read the clause and I think that the classes contemplated in it ought to be stated specifically rather than comprehensively in the words "or other person," even though, as the minister implies, they may be more or less definitely enumerated further on in the clause. Any one might come along and say, "I shall be absent, because I have certain things to do in certain places and therefore I want to cast my vote at an advance poll."


Hugh Guthrie: I am willing to strike out everything after the words "or other person."


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I do mot see why you
should not enumerate the classes embraced in these words, such as fishermen, etc.


Hugh Guthrie: Well, for that matter, 1 do not see why we should not enumerate such persons as apple pickers. In my county some people g0' out for three or four weeks picking apples. After all, the important matter is the declaration which the voter has to make. He has to declare that his employment or calling is such as to necessitate from time to time his absence from his ordinary place of business, and his belief that because of the necessary absence from such place of residence in the pursuit of his calling or employment he will be unable to vote on polling day and therefore desires to vote in advance of polling day.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: A lawyer may declar#
that.


Hugh Guthrie: Yes, and so might a
doctor. Counsel in this country are engaged in assize courts and are away a great deal of their time..and if they can make that declaration conscientiously I do not see why they should not. I do not attach very much importance to the point, I must say.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: According to the minister, he would give almost any one the privilege of voting. Under this clause almost any man in this House might make this declaration.


Charles Murphy: May I draw the attention of the minister to the fact that this is a declaration and not an oath?


Hugh Guthrie: It is a declaration, but
if the voter makes a false statement he makes himself liable to a penalty.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Of course, the primary
object of the clause is to put the man upon his honour if not his oath. But any man

in this House might very easily make this declaration, and what would your advance poll mean? Hundreds of people might make this declaration, and although they might not have absolute knowledge that they were going to be absent on election day there might be a probability that they would be, and they would feel it no violation of conscience to make the statement here set out. To my mind, the words " or any other person " even plus the declaration which the minister has read and which I know is in the schedule of the Act, make this provision altogther too wide, and, I repeat, the person included in this very comprehensive expression ought to be specifically enumerated.


Hugh Guthrie: I presume the object of the draftsman was to make the clause wide.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Well, I do not see why it should be wide. The advance poll was made, in the first place, to meet the convenience of railway men.


Hugh Guthrie: No.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Yes, and for sailors.


Hugh Guthrie: No, first of all it was
intended for commercial travellers.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Commercial travellers
were afterwards added. Be that as it may, however, these three classes of people are away at all times and never forecast their movements, and consequently the advance election polls were instituted in Ontario, this being taken from their Act. If that is so, then I submit that the persons contemplated should be specifically stated.


Jacques Bureau: This clause was drafted to allow certain classes of people to vote, whether railway employees, sailors or commercial travellers-


Hugh Guthrie: Is ,the committee willing to stop there? Let us limit it at that.


Jacques Bureau: -Let us enumerate the people we wish to take advantage of the advance polls and thus facilitate voting generally. Strike out "every railway employee, sailor, commercial traveller and say "every person, being an elector". It is either one of two things: You want to limit 'it to the people of certain callings or professions or you want to make it general. In the province of Queebc, speaking for the lawyers, we almost abandon the administration of justice so as to give every man a chance to vote. This is meant to apply to people of certain classes. We must either enumerate them or frame it in such a way as to facilitate voting generally, striking out any
[Mr Pardee.]
specification of classes and making it read "every person, being an elecor, whose name appears on the list."


Hugh Guthrie: That is too broad.


Jacques Bureau: Then let us limit it to the classes of persons whom you want to prevent from losing their votes.


Hugh Guthrie: When you start in mentioning classes of people you may be leaving out certain classes. I could tell you of a number of them. In my town there are bricklayers and stonecutters who are working away from the town and who leave on Monday morning and come back on Saturday night. In the season a large number of my people who are apple pickers are away for weeks; and there are other classes. The idea of giving this section breadth is to include any people who could make the declaration. I am not wedded to it. I am willing to limit it just as the Act was limited in the first instance or I am willing to take it as the section is drawn. We do not need to have a very long discussion about it. If bon. gentlemen have suggestions to make let us have them.


Jacques Bureau: In Three Rivers and the St. Maurice valley there are men who go to the bush. If an election were held in September, November or February they would all be in the bush. I do not think it is intended to make 2,000 or 3,000 men vote in advance because they are out in the bush. They are away on account of their calling or profession and I do not think it should apply to these men.


Hugh Guthrie: I suppose that in my constituency there are 30 or 35 men who go out of town on Monday morning and come back Saturday night. They are bricklayers and stonecutters but I am not insisting on it. I am willing to leave the Act with the first limitation or take it as it is drawn. I think it is perfectly safe with the limitation.


Jacques Bureau: Or other person?


Hugh Guthrie: That is not a limitation. You should read the rest of it.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I think it should be limited to the three classes of persons named in the Act. '


Levi Thomson: I think it would be better to require a statement under oath. I do not think it should be strictly limited to any class because as the minister has said there are others.


Hugh Guthrie: Threshers.


Levi Thomson: Yes; they go
away just the same as the others do. Would it not be better to have them make a statement under oath?-


Hugh Guthrie: This declaration is punishable, if false, just the same as an oath would be.


Jean-Joseph Denis: Unless the law has been
changed the declaration is not a solemn declaration according to the Canada Evidence Act.


Hugh Guthrie: Whether it is a solemn declaration or whatever it is, it is punishable by subsection 15 of section 100. I think it is a pretty well guarded section, and I believe it will work out all right.


William Duff: I am opposed to this section in its present form, and I would suggest that the simpler way would be to say "every person being an elector" and leave out the words "every railway employee, sailor, commercial traveller"? That is the simplest way.


Hugh Guthrie: I think that is 'too
simple.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I move that the clause be made to read:
Every railway employee, sailor or commercial traveller, being an elector whose name appears on the list of voters.
I would' strike out the words "or other person" in line 2.


William Duff: What about fishermen?


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I would add "fisherman."


Hugh Guthrie: While I have no great
objection to the amendment I think that the clause is better as it is drawn particularly in view of what my hon. friend from Qu'-Appelle (Mr. Thomson) has said.
I realize there are a lot of other men whom I had not thought of. If the election came on in the fall of the year there are a great many men belonging to threshing outfits who would be away. When they came back on Saturday night they could vote at an advance poll. I prefer the section as it is drawn. I think the amendment should be voted down.
Amendment negatived; yeas 23, nays 35.


Jean-Joseph Denis: Since the committee is of the opinion that every person absent should under this clause have the right to vote at an advance poll, we might as well make it clear and strike out the enumeration which is not limitative.


Jacques Bureau: Absolutely.


Jean-Joseph Denis: The hon. Minister of Justice has been a judge long enough to see the folly of such phraseology. We say, "John, Jack, and the rest," and we make "the rest include John and Jack."
The clause reads:
Every railway employee, sailor, commercial traveller or other personthat is, four classes. The clause should read:
Every person, being an elector-
That would be plain and clear.
The CHAIRA1AN: Do you propose it as an amendment?


Jean-Joseph Denis: Yes.
Mr. AlcKENZIE: 'If we were sure of having a staff of officers who were legal men those three words "or other person" would do no harm, for under the doctrine of ejusdem generis those words simply mean the classes that are mentioned before; but we are going to have laymen administering this Act, and they will determine that everybody who presents himself may vote. Aly hon. friend being a good lawyer knows the legal effect of these words, and I do not see why he leaves them in the clause.
Amendment negatived.
Clause as amended agreed to on division.


Hugh Guthrie: I move that we go on to the forms.


Jacques Bureau: I understand that a lot of corrections have to be made in those forms.


Hugh Guthrie: They are clerical errors.


Jacques Bureau: We need a rested mind and a clear brain to deal with those corrections. It is after twelve-we are getting old.


Hugh Guthrie: Aly hon. friend, the Alin-ister of Immigration (Mr. Calder) has made a very useful suggestion, namely, that a small committee might settle these forms, because the changes are such that any office clerk might make them.


Jacques Bureau: We do not want to do that work here.


Hugh Guthrie: On the understanding that I can get one or two of my friends opposite to meet me and go over these forms, I am satisfied, if that course is agree-

able to my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King).


William Lyon Mackenzie King: That is entirely
agreeable to us.


Hugh Guthrie: We will get a committee of two or three. With that understanding I move that the committee rise and report progress.


Georges Henri Boivin: When the forms have been agreed upon they will have to be formally ratified by this committee,


Hugh Guthrie: Yes.
Progress reported.
On motion of Rt. Hon. Mr. Doherty the House adjourned at 12.15 a.m. (Wednesday).



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Aubrcviations.^-lr., 2i\, 3r. = first, second, or third reading. Admn.- Administration ; Amdt.=: Amendment. Com. = Committee. Div. =Division. Dept. = Department. Govt. = Government. M. -Motion. Ques. - Question. Ref. -.Reference. Rep. = Report. Res. = Resolution. Sec. =Seetion.
Abey, Mr. H. R. ques. 1000 Acadia Refining Company, 3226 Acton Vale post office, ques. 1899 Adams, Mr. Thomas, ques. 1002, 3551
Address In reply to Governor General's Speech, 11, 47, 87, 114, 161, 181, 231.
Adjournment. See House of Commons Admiralty. See Naval Service
Admiralty Act Amendment Bill. lr., 2842; 2r., 3086; com., 3086; 3r., 3086
Adulteration of Food. See Food and Drugs Bill
Aerial Navigation. See also British North America Act	*
Air Service, 4553
Material, purchase of for, ques. 1359 Tax, suggested, 3592
Age of Consent. See Criminal Code Agricultural Gazette, 10S5
Agricultural Machinery Bill (Standardization of Parts), lr., 2079
Agriculture. See debates under Canadian Wheat Board; Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Co-operation with the provinces, 603 Dairying industry. See that title Department, Estimates, 2382 Experimental farms. See that title Farm labour, ques. 800, 1011, 1220, 1227 Government, and, 610	.
Improvement in, 677 International Institute of, 2411 Potatoes, exportation, ques. 1360 Statement and review by Minister, 2366
Agriculture and Colonization, Com., 306, 540
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Alcohol. See also Inland Revenue; Opium and- Drugs; Proprietary; Prohibition; Special War Revenue Industrial, 70, 324
Aliens, 150, 155, 229. See also Dominion Franchise; Education; Immigration; Naturalization
Detention camps, in, ques. 314 Enemy, naturalization, ques. 992 Immigrants and Canadian Citizenship, M (Mr. Steele), 812	'
Allan, Mr. G. W. (South Winnipeg)
Returns to House, 1295
Allies. Sec also League of Nations
Peace Conference at Ostend, 2476, 2574
Alpine Club, 3288
Alves, Mr., death of, ques. 1463
Amery, Colonel, and Speaker's Chair, 3224
Ames, Sir Herbert B. (St. Antoine)
League of Nations-review and summary, 3961. League of Nations a reality- partisanship in international relationships deprecated-history and description of	League-meetings-specific
tasks and achievements-permanent institutions designed and prepared for -transit-armaments-mandates and minorities-registration of treaties- emergent measures-duties as financial director-first assembly, November, 1920-the Secretariat an international civil service-Canada's opportunity. Questions answered; for details see League of Nations Return of to ^ouse, 3623
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Brant Military Hospital, ques. 2519 Federal Bureau of Education, 1370 Income tax, errors in returns, 3302 Opium and Drug Bill, 1636-7, 1644-5, 1746 Parliamentary	Restaurant-messengers,
Sugar, price of, 1896
Andrews, Mr. George W. (Centre Winnipeg) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 171. Free trade, 171; returned soldiers; true party discipline, 173; going over to cross benches, 174 Budget, 3012. Members' indemnity, 3012; pensions for soldiers and their dependents-war profits, 3013; conscription of financial and managerial ability; Mr. Meighen on Britain and British policy-trust the people, 3015* Canadian Wheat Board, ques. 2182 Canteen profits, ques. S00 Hudson Bay Company lands, ques. 1897 League of Nations and United States, ques. 1118
Oleomargarine, 1869 Pensions, 433, 511
Returned soldiers, provision for, M. for special com. 511 Soldier Settlement, 2135-6 Universal military training, 945
Animal Contagious Diseases Act Arndt. Bill.
lr., 1622-3; 2r„ com., 1839; 3r„ 1840
Animals, Feeding of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Annuities. See Government Annuities
Anticosti, North Point light, ques. 1361
Antigonish and North Sydney, Public works, ques. 543, ques. 1004
Appeals. See Supreme Court Act
Apple Barrels. See Inspection and Sale
Appropriation Acts
1. Bill No. 36 (for 1920-1, for $62,900,-
986.09), lr., 2r., com., 3r., 756
2. Bill No. 67 (for 1920-21, for $2,083,-
333.33). Res., lr., 2r., com., 3r., 1289 3., Bill No. 166 (for 1919-20, for $3,175,199.81; and for 1920-1, for $64,984,319.42 interim). Res., 3215, 3217; lr., 2r., com., 3r., 3218
4. Bill No. 221 (for 1919-20, for $15,875,999.03; and for 1920-21, for $321,980,760.61). Res., lr., 2r., com., 3r., 4587
"Arabic," SS. Loss of Govt, vouchers in, ques., 3489
Archambault, Mr. Joseph (Chambly and Vercht-res)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 292. Address seconded in English, not in French-proposed general election; reply to Mr. Meighen, 292; reply to Mr. Hocken, 293; dissolution of Parliament, historical review, 294 Auditor General's report, 4276 Bankruptcy Bill, 4263
Budget, 2925. Farmers' delegation on conscription, 2925; increase of public debt, 2926; "advances unaccounted for," 2927; income tax, exemption on account of children, 2928; cost of living-Board of Commerce-profiteers, 2929; Dominion Textile Company-purchases in connection with advances to Greece and Roumania,
' members of Parliament interested, 2930; new taxes, proposed taxation of war wealth, 2932; food gamblers, 2933; banks and credits for speculation; tariff commission and revision, personal position, 2934; exchange rate and soldiers' pay-withholding of information on public affairs by Gov., 2936
Canteen profits, 709 Chambly fort, 3769 Daylight saving, 1574 Desjardins, " Ti-Noir," ques. 315 ' Dominion Franchise Bill Aliens-certificate, 2216, 2221, 2243 Liquor on polling day, 1108 Polling divisions, 1517 Proclamation-language of publication, 1834, 2292
Explosive works at Beloeil, 2247-48 Freight car situation, ques. 319; ques. 997 French wine imports, ques, 1627 Gambling, 3428
Grand Trunk shareholders, 3426-27 Greece and Roumania, ques. 415; ques. 2414
Habeas Corpus, 3296 House of Commons
Debates-translation of French speeches, 697, 4587 Income tax
Exemptions on account of children, 2928, 3297-8
Forms in French, 1084, 1573 Inquiry for returns, 618, 4258 International Labour Conference, ques. 803
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Kingston harbour works, 45S Kinmel Camp riots, 709 Judges' salaries, 3227
Letter of French Canadian at war front, 284	[DOT]
Militia, 3660-3
Naturalization, Alsace-Lorraine, 3921 Navy League of Canada, ques. 802 Opium and Drug Bill, 1749, 1759 Peace Treaty, Bulgaria, 489 Printing Bureau, Sunday work, 4020 Purchasing Commission-Public Accounts Com., 1474, 4580-3 Racial and religious rights, 489 Roumania, ques. 2413, ques. 3488 Russia, trade with, 4322 St. Johns election, 2239 St. Lawrence channel, 230, 856 Shipbuilding, 640
Contracts, ques. 314, 917 Steel plates for, ques. 706 Soldiers
Cash gratuities, 1084 Payments to in sterling, ques. 200S Steel and shipping merger, 1953 United States railways and Canadian freight, 1789 Victory loans, ques. 803 Commissions, ques. 320 Committee, ques. 2008 Vimy battlefield, ques. 1358 Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2474
Archibald, Col. Grassie, ques. 2007
Argue, Mr. Ira E. (Swift Current) Eight-hour day, 449 Experimental Farms, 2389, 3159	-
Armenians,
League of Nations and, 855, 1465, 3979
Armstrong, Mr. John A. M. (North York) Franchise Bill, 1067
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E. (East Lambton) Budget Speech, copies of, 2626 Car shortage, 884 Daylight saving, 1084 Ethyl alcohol, 3497 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1164	[DOT]
Voters' lists, 2419-20 Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1129>
Illustration farms, 2384
International Parliamentary Conference, ques. 2721
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E.-Con.
Mines Department, 3803 National defence, 4305
Naval Service, additional appropriation, 4305-10
Newspaper postage, 3349, 3755-8 Oil-Hudson	Bay-Great Slave Lake,
3811-2	.
Royal Commission on Natural Resources, ques. 4502
Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill, 3476 Collection, progress of, 3480-1, 3600 Furniture-auctions, 3575 Jewellery, 3579 Musical instruments, 3595 Proprietary medicines, 3600-4 Steel and Shipping merger, 1956
British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777
Vessel Rates
Board of Railway Commissioners, control by, ques. 2414, 2777 Inland and coastwise (Railway Act Arndt. Bill), 160, 1707-27, ques. 2772 Ocean; res., 2013
Armstrong, Mr., Director of Coal Operations. See under Coal Operations
Army. See also Soldiers
Court martial procedure, ques. 1359
Surplus stores, ques. 1229
War Boots and Shoes, ques. 506
Arsenals. See Dominion arsenals; Militia
Arthabaska-Victoriaville, branch line, ques-4502
Arthur Young Company, 3742. See also Civil Service; Griffenhagen Wolff, Mr. L. R„ ques. 1624	/
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Alves, Mr., death of, ques. 1463.
Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2231-56 Peace and good order, 1106-8 Voters' list, 2421, 3892 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3936-40 Point of order-militia-relevancy, 3663 War trophies, 4557
Asbestos, 4513. See
Asbestos postmaster, ques. 320
Asiatics in Canada. See Chinese; Japanese, Naturalization; Orientals; Franchise Bill
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Expenses of Candidates, 1172, 1174-84 Grasshopper plague, 128 Sessional indemnities for unrepresented years, 129
Atlantic Sugar Refinery Company, 3226
Auditor General's Report, 458, 4276 Fourth volume, 2179, 2390 Publication in French, ques. 1627
Austrian and German Imports, ques. 2416, ques., 3359
Automobiles, 119, 2823, 2815. See also Special War Revenue Act Imports and excise, ques. 591 Manufacturing plants in Canada, ques. 1201 Smuggled, ques. 807; ques. 1001 Taxes on, 2487
Autonomy of Canada. See Canada's National Status; Bulgarian Treaty; League of
Nations; Peace Treaty
Bacon Industry. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Badges, Naval Service, 437. See also Naval Service
Bagot County
Electoral list, ques. 2011 Postal inspection, ques. 2721
Baie de Chaleur Harbours, 2185
Baker, Late Lieut. Col. G: H., M.P.,
Memorial to, 181, 2776, 3557,
Baldwin, Mr. Willis K. (Stanstead)
Budget, 2939. Luxury taxes, 2539; parties and reciprocity, 2540; Liberal party's tariff policy, 2540; immigration and national development, 2541; railways; West Indies, and Confederation, 2543 Food and Drugs Bill, 1262 Opium and Drug Bill, 1755 Scientific Research, 2174 Special War Revenue Bill, 3463 Retailer, effect upon, 3474 Sale (1 per cent) tax, 3467 Stamp taxes, collection of, 1262, 1755
Ball, Mr. Robert J. (Southeast Grey) Burbidge-Messines, ques. 2721
Ballantyne, Hon. C. C. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries and Minister of the Naval Service)
Budget, 2533. Business profits war tax-tariff and cost of living, 2534; Liberal party tariff policy, 2535; free trade and the farmers, 2539 Buoy Service, 2116
Canada Shipping Act Aindt (Masters and Mates) 406-7, 563, 573-4, 980-3, 1610-2 Canada Shipping Act Amdt (Pilotage) 1839, 1967
Canada Shipping Act Amdt (Steamboat Inspection) 1050-2, 1762, 1776, 2125 Canadian Government Merchant Marine. See also under this title Shipbuilding Business statement, 950 Operation, 641, 645
Information concerning withheld-policy justified, 1650, 1659-61, 1667, 1681
Steamers
"Canadian Inventor," delay in sailing, 3226, 3360
"Canadian Recruit" wreck of, 649 "Canadian Sealer," 649 "Canadian Spinner," 649 Canadian National Railway, ships and, 904 Cape Race, 2117
Export trade, larger desired, 621 Fish inspection, 1052-4, 4585-6 Fisheries, 3521-3
Overseers and guardians, 3523 Protection and patrol, 3524 Treaty with United States, 1290 Government policy, expected announcement, 583
Government steamers Buying for, 1610 Wages, 1598, 1600, 1609-11 Halifax marine agency, 2110 Icebreakers, 1598-1612, 2103-7 "J. D. Hazen," 1599, 1602 "Montcalm," 1606-7 St. Lawrence, new vessel for, 1620-1 Uniforms of men, 1603-4 Fair wage contracts, 1608-9 Jellicoe, Admiral, report of, 344 Australia and New Zealand, 1160 India, 1290 Printing, 386
Lighthouse Service	.
British Columbia patrol boats, 1616 Grand Etang, 2114 Lighthouse Board, 2117-8 Salaries, 2110-4
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Little Sands, 4580
Live stock shipments inspection, 1615 Lunenburg-registrar, 2108-10 Magdalen Islands, 649, 651, 1601 Relief ships to, 1742
Marine Dept, and members of Parliament, 2121*
Marine Dept., services restored to, 3507 Naval College graduates, 4562 Naval Defence of the Empire
Statement on motion for Supply, 3498 Dominion Ministers' memorandum- Lord Jellieoe, 3499. Government's official statement on naval affairs- acceptance of Admiralty's offer of ships-Naval Service Act, 1910, 3500;
" Niobe " and " Rainbow "-war, recruiting and casualties-Naval college-distinguished officers, 3502; reorganization-details of ships from Admiralty-Naval estimates, 3503; efficiency of Service-fisheries protection-Navy Leagues, 3504; submarines to be sold-other Overseas Dominions and Great Britain, expenditures', 3505; service on pre-war lines, 3507. See also under this title Naval Service Naval Service. See also, under this title, Naval Defence
Additional appropriation, [DOT]	$1,700,000-
4291-4302, 4314, 4398-4402, 4408-9 Civil Service insurance and, 1779 Correspondence and negotiations, 4408, 4413
Ministerial statement, 707-8 Pre-war lines, 4391 Naval Service Badge, 439-45 Naval Service Dept.
Estimates-agreement as to debate on, 441-2
Salaries, 4409-11 Navigation
Aid and protection, 2115 Schools of, 1612-3
Pardee, Mr. and	taxation-Montreal
address, 2742
Pictou Harbour Bill, 2184-90; 3491-94 Pilots. See also under this head, Canada Shipping Act Pensions, 4579-80 St. John, 2119-22 Quebec grain elevators, 657 Race tracks, influence of, 3428 Registration of shipping, 1614 St. John harbour, 2119, 3492-3 St. Lawrence channel, ice conditions, 230, 856-8
Ballantyne, Hon. C. C.-Con.
St. Lawrence dredging, 1616-20 Shipbuilding, 618, 641, 651, 662-9
Canadian-built ships, quality of, 625 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 622, 659
Cattle shippers, and, 911 Contracts, 662-9, 892, 907-910, 916 Georgian Bay Canal, and, 915 Government ownership, 903, 908 Government programme finished, 905-7 Prices, 895, 900-2. See also under this title. Contracts
Profiteering, denied, 901 Profits-financial statement, 902-3 Ship plates, 623 Ships at Quebec, 916 Supply-vote of $20,000,000, 618, 892 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3994, 4001, 401314, 4145-51, 4157-68 Unforeseen expenses, 1616 Wharves, 2122 Winter fishing, 1609 Wrecks-investigation, 1612
Bank Act Arndt. Bill (Interest rate), lr., 992
Banking and Commerce, Com., 306
Bankruptcy Act Arndt. Bills.
1.	lr., 920 (Mr. Jacobs)
2.	lr., 2246; 2r., com., 3255; 3r., 3265 Senate amdt. 4263
Trustees, ques. 2414
Banks, Chartered, ques., 591. See also Special War Revenue; Finance Interest allowed to Government by, ques. 673
Moneys received from, 1001 Shipbuilding and, 4008 Wheat crop and, 4351
Barley. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Barron, Capt. John A., 857
Batiscan Bridge, ques. 317, ques. 1230
Battlefields Memorials
Com. on, 1460, 1738, 2078, 2177 Quebec, fortifications of, 421
Baugh, E. L. and Tapley, W. H., 2015 s.
Bawdy Houses. See Criminal Code
Begin, Cardinal, insult to, 1574
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Dominion Franchise, Chief Electoral Officer.
Bills, Divorce, remission of charges in, 4321, 4413
Biological Board, ques. 2572
Bird, Mr. Eustace G. ques. 1625
Blair, Mr. W. J. (Battle River)
Screenings, ques. 704
Blake, Mr. Matthew R. (North Winnipeg) Coal operations director, 3179 Indemnity of Members, 4082 Opium and Drug Bill, 1638-9 Purchasing Commission, 1473-4 Universal military training, 940
Blondin, Hon. P. E„ 57, 79, 82, 138, 209 Trip to Europe, ques. 541. See also Postmaster General
Board of Commerce, 198, 229, ques. 408, ques. 592, ques. 1740, 1947 Canners, inquiry concerning, 1045 Chairman, Judge Robson, resignation of, 11, 73, 114, 120, 3769, 3863 Correspondence tabled, 85, 4258, 4502-03 M. for papers, 1900 Civil Service Commission, and, 3426 Dairy and pork industry and, 605, 611, 1009, 1017, 1844 Farmers and, 3401 McNiehol, Mr. J. L., 994 M. (Mr. Deslauriers) for abolition, 1139 M. for papers, 2015
Murdock, Mr., resignation of, 4170-71, 4466 Letter, text of, 4481
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., resignation of, 1684, 3685
Prosecutions, ques. 996 Report, ques. 2012	/
Inquiry as to, 3227, 3426, 3427 Presented, 3358
Resignation of members, 4258-59 Robson, Judge. See title under this, Chairman
Validity of Act constituting, 3685 Wholesale grocers, dismissal of Mr. Arthur S. Porter, 56S
Board of Railway Commissioners. See Railway Commission.
Board of Translators. See Criminal Code Amdt. (French Version)
Boards of Trade Act Amdt Bill, lr., 2r„ 4414; com.. 3r., 4460
Boivin, Mr. George Henry (Shefford). See Deputy Speaker
Bolshevism, 1495, 3649. See also Criminal Code; Immigration; Industrial Unrest.
Bonaventure
Experimental Farms, ques. 414 Pensioners, ques. 993 Postmasters, ques. 507 Public Works engineer, ques. 411 Wharves, ques. 411
Bonaventure and Gaspe
Dairy products and fish, ques. 587
Bonds. See also Finance; Loans; Victory Loans
Canadian Government, since beginning of war, ques. 200S
Bonus. See Civil Service
Book-making. See Criminal Code
Books
Banned, Regina library, 396 Customs duties, 3110
German and Austrian imports, ques. 806
Boots. See also Special War Revenue And shoes, army, ques. 506, ques. 1229 And shoes, prices, 3329-30
Borden, Right Hon. Sir Robert (Prime Minister)
Allies conference at Ostend, 2476, 2574 Bankruptcy Bill, 4097
Bill disposed of-question not to be raised during same session, 3426 Board of Commerce Correspondence, 3426 Murdock, Mr., resignation of, 4171 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., resignation of, 3685 Report, 3227
Resignation of members, 4258-9 Robson, Judge, Chairman
Correspondence, 3769, 4258, 4502-3, Budget debate, not limited by amdt., 2518 Budget Speech, inquiry for copies, 2626 Canadian Wheat Board, 3561 Civil Service
Grievances-appeal, 3141-2'
Holidays, 4061-2, 4259-62 Senate amdts to Bill, 4259 Coal Operations Director Bill, jurisdiction, 3692
Orders in Council, ratification of, 3362-5
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Franchise Bill Debate on, 1837-S
Proclamation, language of -publication, 2303-4
Oleomargarine, 60S, 1870-1 Rural mail, 4525
Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil-Soulanges) Lighthouse keepers, ques. 1897 Ste. Anne bridge, 3774-5 Ste. Anne de Bellevue hospital, ques. 1115 Soulanges canal road, ques. 999
Boys, Mr. William A. (South Simcoe)
Food and Drugs Bill, 972-8
Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1130-6
Icebreakers, 2107
Indian Act Amdt. Bill-enfranchisement, 4029-35, 4176
Bran. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Brant Military Hospital, ques. 2519
Bridges, provincial and Dominion authorities, and, 3769
Brien, Mr. John Wesley (South Essex)
Opium and Drug Bill, 1643
Bristol, Mr. Edmund (Toronto Centre) Shipbuilding, 628 Steel and shiping merger, 1948 Vessel rates, proposed regulation, 1718
British Columbia
Lighthouse service, 1616 Railways. See Railway Act Amdt.
Water Powers, ques. 1118
British Columbia Indian Lands Bill, lr. 386; 2r., com., 787, 950, 3r„ 1047, 1152
British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777, 4010. See also Steel Industry
British North America Act Amdt. 4379 Aerial navigation, 4169 Motion for papers, 811 Power to amend, 464, 479
British Parliament and Speaker's Chair, 3224
British Preference, ques. 811
Brouillard, Mr. Joseph O. (Drummond and Arthabaska)
Burke, Rev. A. E., ques. 2079
Civil Service Classification, ques. 2181
Parliament Buildings
Commons Chamber floor, ques. 2894
Brouillard, Mr. Joseph O.-Con.
Parliament Buildings-Con.
Cost of heating plant, ques. 2896 Scaffolding, ques. 3079 Tower, ques. 2894 Roy, Mr. Gustave, ques. 1899 Victoriaville-Arthabaska branch line, ques. 4502
Buchanan, Mr. William A. (Lethbridge) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 121. Proposed general election and western representation, 121; personal attitude and Union Government -public unrest, freedom the cure, 122; profiteering-tariff-income tax, 123; national railways-Peace Treaty, 124 Budget, 2762. Tributes to Mr. Rinfret and Minister of Finance-paying war expenses by taxation, 2763; economy

tariff and cost of living, 2765; tariff and development of resources-favours tariff reduction-trade with transpacific countries, 2765 Cogl Operations Director Bill, 3373-5 Farm labour for spring work, ques. 800 Flour mills, small, ques. 799 Franchise Bill, 1588
Income and business profits taxes, ques. 806
Industrial disputes, 1979 Industrial Survey by Mr. Ponton, ques. 341
Irrigation, 3695-9
Natural resources development, 1032 Newspaper postage rate, 3353 One Big Union, ques. 409 Pensions and Re-establishment, 536 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 395 ' Rural mail route, 506
Seed Grain advances, ques. 321, ques. 674 Soldiers' settlement, 3223
Buckwheat. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Budget. See also Ways and Means Debate on, 2495, 2520, 2575, 2626, 2670, 2723, 2786, 2843, 2896, 2969
* Amdt. (Mr. Fielding) neg., resolution agreed to, 3077-8
Arrangements for, and announcement, 2247, 2318, 2576, 2840, 3026, 3045 Date of, inquiry, 1047, 2126, 2247, 2778 Speech, 2476
Announcement as to date of, 2247 Inquiry for copies, 2626
Budget Resolutions, 2492. See also Ways and Means
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Resolution and statement by Minister, 346; concurrence of Senate in, 1054
Buoys. See Marine
Burbidge-Messines, ques. 2721
Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Admiralty Act Arndt. 3086 Apple barrels'-Nova Scotia, 2018 Bankruptcy Bill, reprinting, 3265 Bills-Com.-reading of section by Chairman, 584
British Columbia Indians, 788-95 Business Profits Tax, public utilities, 3232-5
Cabinet changes, 447 Canadian National Railways
Construction and organization, ques. 510 Damage claims, delays, 886-7 Deficit, 886
Operation, suggested improvements, 888 Canadian Northern Railway
Port Arthur terminals, ques. 2012 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service
Classification-Arthur Young Co. 549 Holidays, 4262 Insurance, 1779
Naturalized British subjects, 510 Retirement, 3826-9, 4460	.
Coal Operations Director Bill, 3371 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3163 Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) 3082-5
Dominion arsenals, 3717, 3721-2 Bight-hour day, 452-8
Electricity and gas competition and taxation, 3106, 3110, 3113-7 Enterprise Foundry Company, ques. 2415 Export regulations, 3621 Franchise Bill Advance polls, 2000-1, 3874 Aliens, certificate, 2078, 2082, 2217 Canada Temperance Act 38.65-6 Debate arrangements for, 1838, 2001 Disqualification of voters
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1814-9 " Election papers," 2023 Indians, 2055-6
Interpretation, 1986-8, 1989-91, 1994 Notices, 777
Oaths, administration of, 779 Proclamation, language of publication, 1829-31, 2273-7, 2281-2, 2291, 2305-6, 2308
Bureau, Mr. Jacques-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Returning officers, 1577-S4, 1591-3 Public officials, 1790 Voters' lists,
Copies, procuring of, 2320 Provincial, adoption of, 2347, 2357-66, 3895
Franking privilege, 3763 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1491-3, 1505
Habeas Corpus. See under this title, Labrie Honey adulteration, 2315 House of Commons. See also under this title, Indemnity
King's Birthday adjournment, 3080 Lobbies, admission of strangers to, 1629 Saturday and morning sittings, 2783 Serjeant-at-arms department, 3094 Staff, classification, 4504, 4563-4 Two .o'clock sittings, 3080 Housing expenditure, 3545-8 Icebreakers, 1598 lie Verte, 2111 Income tax
Absentees, 3303
Indemnity of members, 3242-3 Part payment with return, 3253 Residence or investment outside Canada, 3250
Indemnity of members, 3096, 3853, 4073, 4450
Income tax and, 3242-3 Indian Affairs Dept., 3266-7 Indians
Destitute, relief for, 3275-6 Education of, 3278
Inspection and Sale Act Amdt.-Fruit, 2018
Penalties, 2019-21 Sections repealed, 2016 Judges' salaries, 3851-3 Labrie Brothers, case of. 3296, 3847-50. 3560
League of Nations, 349 Loan Companies Act Amdt., 1776-8 Maple products, 796 Naval Service Dept.
Estimates-agreement as to debate- misunderstanding - compromise suggested, 4412
Opium and Drug Bill, 1621-2,	1630-3,
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Pictou harbour, 2188-9, 3491 Purchasing Commission, 1478, 4583 Questions, inquiry as to, 2126 Questions passed as orders for returns, 1743
Pace track betting, 3431-2 Railway Act Arndt. (Jurisdiction), 2413 Registered postal rate, 3732-3 Ross Rifle factory, ques. 1898; ques. 2721, 3722
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3204, 4575 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3989, 4003 Soldier Settlement, 1685, 1702 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. 3337-8 Acetylene gas, 3796 Automobiles, 3597-9, 3793 Bank overdrafts, 3624, 3797-9 "Consumer" how defined, 3794 Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3455 Refunds, 3629-31 Sales taxes, 3616 Sporting goods, 3571-2 Stamp taxes, 3627
Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3491, 355S
Steamboat Inspection, 1762-3
Stigma on members-personal denial, 547
Supply, interim vote, 754-5
Supreme Court Act Amdt. 2004
Technical education, 1761
Toronto letter carriers, 3424-25
Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3106-8
Bureau of Statistics, See Statistics
Burke, Rev. A. E., ques., 2079
Burlington, Military Hospital, ques. 2519
Burnham, Mr. John Hampden (West Peterborough)
Adress in reply to Governor General's Speech, 66. Quebec and its "hour"- feeling developed by the war, 67; treatment of returned soldiers-cost of living, 68; farmers and class movement-[DOT] exchange rate and trade-industrial alcohol, the new motive power, 70; individual liberty-prohibition-drop race and party cries, 71 Agriculture, problems of, 2400 Alien immigrants, 826
Budget, 2611. War policy and peace policy -Liberal party and Farmers' party, 2611; land taxation and security of employment-unrest and how to be quieted, 2612; group government- soldiers and their dependents-the profit system of trade, 2613; the People's party, 2614
Burnham, Mr. John Hampden-Con.
Business profits tax-public utilities, 3235 Campaign Funds, 1182,
Res. prohibiting, 1216, 1224; withdrawn 1228;
Civil Service
Classification, 546 Reduction of pay, 3135-8 Retirement, 3830 Superannuation, ques. 920 Coal operations director, 3178, 3372 Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3652 Demonstration farms, 2391 Eight-hour day, 334-7 454-8 Contractual rights, 373-81 Farm labour, 1220 Farmers' organization, 1219 Farmers' Party and the Dept, of Agriculture estimates, 2399-2400 Federal Bureau of Education, 1389-90 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1162 Aliens, 733, 2211 Contributions, 1182 Disqualification of candidates, 1089 Enumerators, 3900 Notices, 778
Proceeding by information, 776 Proclamation-language of publication, 2286-7
Provincial lists, 3888, 3897 Recall, the, 2040 Fuel situation, 3178 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1487 Strike of 1910, 1540, 1565:
Honour of members-point of order, 1186 Income tax Charities, 3245-6
Exemptions on account of children, 3300 Indemnity of members, 4069-81 Indians-enfranchisement, 4033 Industrial disputes, 2250 Labour-life not arithmetic, basis of reward, 389
League of Nations
Canada's status, 349, 353 Enforcement of decisions, 3975 Militia-cadet service, 3705 Naval service, 3516 Badges, 446 Old-age pensions, 3830 Oleomargarine, 60S Parliament Buildings, 1420 Peterborough, Gov employees in, ques. 542 Postmaster, ques. 342 Prices of fuel and other necessaries; res.
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Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 389 Shipbuilding, 639
Special War Revenue Act Amdt Bill, 3-326 Proprietary medicines, 3794 Trent Canal wharves, ques. 586 Wheat, new variety, 1013 Y. M. C. A., 1219
Burns, P. Company, 582
Burrell, Hon. Martin (Minister of Customs
and Inland Revenue)
Address in Reply to Governor General's Speech, 273. Parliament Building- congratulations to mover and seconder, 273; Addresses of Mr. Mackenzie King and Mr. Murphy, 274; absence of Ministers from the House; Mr. Mackenzie King's record-Soldiers' Settlement, 275; Farmers' party-proposed general election, 276; protection and wheat growers, 277; tariff free list, 278; England and tariff, 279; representation of the West, 281
Civil Service, reorganization, 3738-9 Conner, James, dismissal of, 418, 421 Customs Act Amdt Bill (Firearms) 617, 1048-
Customs and Excise
Collections, 3859-	-
Estimates, 3858-9 Entomology branch, 2402 French treaty, 4505 Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2402 Inland Revenue Act Amdt. 3494-8, 3815-21, 4263
Acetic acid, 3497 Alcohol tax, 3496 Methylated spirits, 3497 Resolutions, 3494 Spirits, 3815-8 Evaporation, 3815 Illicit distillation, 3817 Illicit sales, 3498
Malt used to make vinegar, 3S1S Warehoused two years, 3816 Wood alcohol, 3820 Tobacco, 3498, 3815, 3818-9 Mines Department-explosives, 3804 Peat, 3807-8
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Coal purchases, 2380, 4251 Deficit, maintenance, 390-1 Estimates, discussion ot, 4249, 4257 Extensions, 3380-1
Information, withholding of objected to, 1655, 1669 Insurance, 4257 Ties, 4250-1 Car shortage, 883, 886
Transcontinental, ques. 999 Civil Service, 3140, 3146-7 Bonus, slide masters, 1279.
Holidays, 4061 Colonization, 2399, 4182 Dredging, 1619
Excise tax (10 per cent) 3467 Filing cases, 3155 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1935-43 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1071-2 Election expenses, 1932-3 Qualification of electors, 2243 Government annuities, 462-3 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition Bill, 1308, 1486, 1503 Arbitrators, 1047 Branch lines, 1314-7 Hanna, Mr. D. B., suit for libel, 2379 Housing, 3545-52 Soldiers, and, 3545-6 Indians
Enfranchisement, 4038-9 Lands, 3274
Kapuskasing and Spirit Lake, 2398-2401
Militia, 3974-80
Oleomargarine, 959
Ottawa River conservation, 3779
Peat, ques. 671
Penitentiaries, purchasing agent, 3840 Post Office Department, 3740-1 Question-complaint	of unsatisfactory
answer, 1047
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3203 Royal Military College, 3153 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 584
Shipbuilding, 645, 3992, 4004, 4010-16 Special War Revenue Act Amdt.
Changes, when effective, 3338 Clothes, made to order, 4290 Statistical department, 3296 Steel and shipping merger, 1956-7, 4010 Timiskaming Lake, wharves,, 2187-8, 3493 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585 Yukon Placer Mining, 3109
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Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine-withholding of information justified, 1671-4, 1683
Civil Service Retirement, 2178-9, 3824-40, 4062-8, 4460-6
Grievances and appeal, 4460 Conner, Mr. James, 419 Distressed Canadians abroad, 4559 Exhibition Commissioner, 4558-9 Franchise Bill
Advance Polls, 1938-40 Ballot boxes, expense of returning, 1927 Provincial'lists, 3889 Voters' lists, 2423, 2434-7 Voting notwithstanding disqualification, 1825
Immigrants, landing of at Montreal and Quebec, 3226-8
Immigration and Colonization Department, 4556-9
Imperial ex-Servlce men coming to Canada, 387
Income tax-charities, 3248 Mennonites, 2179, 2248 Militia, permanent force, 3210 Pensions Bill Approved by Com. 4041 Canadian in French forces as reservist, 4048
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4045-6
Returned soldiers' insurance, 4054-6 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4012 Soldiers' dependents in Britain, 4556
Caldwell, Mr. Thomas W. (Victoria and Carleton, N.B.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 118. Union Government, 118; Production and Protection, 119; Farmers and Customs tariff-Board of Commerce, 120; Victoria and Carleton by-election, 121;
Budget, 2823. Ford car prices, 2823; Mr. Meighen on the tariff-the farmers' tariff policy, 2826; Mr. Fielding's amendment, 2827;' the new taxes- export duty on newsprint, 2827; United States' manufacturers and Canadian prices, 2828; agricultural implements, prices, 2829; direct taxation, 2830; Victory bonds, 2831; St. John and Quebec Railway, 2832; new party, its name and policy, 2834; potato growing, 2835; farmers and prices, 2837


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Canadian Forestry Association, 3285
Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 622, ques. 921, ques. 921, ques. 996. See tilso *Canadian National Railways; Shipbuilding; Vessels.
Annual report, 2311 Answers to questions, 1649 Business statement 903, ques. 921, 950, 1650, 1677, 1681
Captains, ques. 1624
Civil Service Insurance-Naval Service, and, 1779-80
Coal, ques. 1115, ques. 1623 Crews, 641
Earnings, ques., 1359. See, under this title, Business
Freight rates, ques. 2009 Inland navigation and, ques., 2572 Insurance on vessels, ques. 1511, ques. 2011 Loading and unloading, ques. 1623 Operation, 641-5 Freights, 646
Shareholders, directors, investment, ques. 2011 Vessels'
"Canadian Inventor," 3226, 3359 "Canadian Recruit," 648, ques. 1199 "Canadian Sealer," 649 Withholding of information debated, 1649
Canadian Government Railways. Sec Canadian National Railways
Canadian Manufacturers' Association
Appeal to Supreme Court, M. (Mr. Devlin) for papers, 321
Vessel rates, communication on, 1728
Canadian Mission in London, ques. 410
Canadian National Railways. See also Grand Trunk; Canadian Northern Brudenheim branch, 4250 Canadian currency and United States lines, ques. 341
Canadian Government Merchant Marine. See that title.
"Canadian Government Railways," defined, 4219
Canadian National Railway Company, 345 Car haulage cost, ques. 2313, ques. 2413 Car shortage-Transcontinental-ques. 999 Cars, 4184
Chaudiere station, ques. 508 Coal purchases, 2380
Contracts-details, 4251-6
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Eastern branch lines, 4247. See also that title under Reid, Hon. J. D.
Electric systems, ques. 1510 Engine repairs, ques. 3079 Equipment, 4185, 4191 District east of Edmonton, 4250 Express companies and, ques. 801 Finance, 4186
Fire insurance, ques. 1623 Grand Trunk Railway, 11, 37, 92, 866, 4579, Montreal, improved entrance, ques. 413 Hudson Bay Railway, 4231. See also that title.
Incorporation, ques. 2012 Information, withholding of, debated, 1649, 4195
Insurance, 4257 Intercolonial Railway Moncton office, 4206, 4220, 4248 Pensions, ques. 313, ques. 509, ques. 589 Riviere Ouelle service, ques. 997-8 Inverness Railway, 4236-49 Mackenzie, Sir William and, ques. 1628 Mackenzie and Mann, 418'4, 4191 Management and directorate, 4183, 4189, 4190, 4194
Ministerial statement by Hon. J. D. Reid. 859. Passengers and freight, 860; operating costs, 861; labour conditions, 861; betterments, 861; construction programme, 1920, 863; rolling stock, 863; rates, 864; Grand Trunk, 866; Hudson Bay Railway, 867; Operating costs-details, 867-9 National Transcontinental, 4199 Car shortage, ques. 999 Champlain market site, motion, 2015 Rentals, ques. 1461
. Official and private cars, ques. 409, 4220, 4247
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Indians, 2055-6, 2087-8 Misfeasance, etc.-penalty, 1074-5 Non-electors and non-residents, 784 Point of order-school system, 2283 Proclamation, language of publication, 2287-9, 2306
Returning officers, disqualification of, 1073-4
Public officials, 1795-8, 1804-6 Telegraph, communications by, 1068 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1238, 1244-5, 1250-3, 1493-1500, 1505 Strike of 1910, 1549 Hurons of Lorette, 1152, 2014 Indemnity of members, 4080 Indian Reserves, ques. 802 Industrial Disputes Bill-objection to 3r., 2200
Intercolonial, RiviSre Ouelle Service, ques. 597
International boundary surveys, 3294 Levis drill hall, 3727
Maple products-" sucre de fresne," 1255 Militia
Active militia, allowances, 3663-7 Annual drill, 3678-82
Natural resources of western provinces, 3293
Parliament Buildings-French reporters' room, 1425-9
Peace treaties and League of Nations, 347-66
Pictou harbour, 2186 Points of order
Franchise Bill, 2283 Militia estimates, 3667 Relevancy, Cockshutt, Mr., remarks of, 3672
Portland, shipments by, 653-5 Post Office Department, 3740 Purchasing Commission, 1474-5, 1484-5 Rural mail carriers, 1283-4 St. John river water-powers, 3291 San Remo Conference, 1465 Shipbuilding, 642 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4016-7 Supply, interim vote, understanding concerning, 754-6
War equipment-guns, 3662-4 Wharves, 2123
Canso, Marine Hospital proposed, 2255
Canteen. See War Cape Race, 2117 Capilano Bridge, 3778
Capital and Labour. See also Popular Unrest; Labour.
Readjustment of relations, 373
Capital Punishment. See Criminal Code
Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway, 4217
Cardin, Mr. P. J. A. (Richelieu)
SS. " Three Rivers," ques. 1897 Sorel Government shipyard, ques. 2180
Carleton-Victoria
Election, 1223
Visit of Ministers to, ques. 409 Car Shortage. See Railways Carvel I, Hon. F. B.
Letter from-loading out of Fort William elevators, 565
Carvill, Mr. George, ques. 586, 4219, 4224
Casgrain, Mr. Pierre F. (Charlevoix-Mon_t-morency)
Address in reply to' Governor General's Speech, 71., Economy-anti-democratic policies, 72; prices, cost of living. Board of Commerce-production, 73; tariff-resignations from the Government, 74; proposed general election, 75; peace and work-the Liberal party, 76
Aliens in detention camps, ques. 314 Bankruptcy Bill, trustees, ques. 2414 Biggar, Mr. O. M., K.C., ques. 1462 Bilingual stamps, ques. 314 Board of Commerce, ques. 592, ques. 1740 Canners, 1045 Motion for papers, 2013-5 Price Brothers, 1789 Report, date of, ques. 2012 Budget, 2808. Grain Growers and Canadian manufacturers, 2809; the Government and Socialism-Liberal party's fiscal policy

new taxes, 2809; income tax-financial conditions, 2810; business profits tax-moving pictures- tariff, 2811; Board of Commerce, 2812; war profits-national unity, 2813 Business profits war tax, ques. 314, ques. 2012 * Canadian National Railways, 877 Car haulage cost, ques. 2313 Canadian Northern, ques. 2413
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Canadian National Railways-Con. Incorporation, ques. 2012 Withholding of information, 1675 Canadian Northern Railway Car haulage cost, ques. 2313, ques. 2413 Canadian Wheat Board, 4123 Carleton-Victoria, visit of ministers to, ques. 409
"Champlain," the, ques. 314, ques. 672, ques.
921, ques. 1121 Charlevoix-Montmorency Bridges and highways, 3778 Customs officers, ques. 415, ques. 588 Lighthouse keepers, ques. 319 Pensioners, ques. 994, ques. 1358 Postmasters and mail carriers, ques. 320 Public works, ques. 590, ques. 592 Railway facilities and projects, 878 Wharf repairs, ques. 589 Criminal trials, correspondence, 2014 Franchise Bill, returning officers, 1591 French language, publications in, ques. 541 House of Commons calendar, 2005 French letters, replies in English to, 1045 French origin, Canadian of, ques. 1357 French speeches in House, translation of, 702
General election, cost of, ques. 587 Grand Trunk Railway Company, ques. 996 Lack of information complained of, 1450 Hydro-Electric, Ontario, 4172 Income tax
Earned and unearned incomes, 3309-10 Indemnity of members', 3310 Jellicoe, Lord, visit of, ques. 314 Labrie brothers, case of; also Mantezono, 3560
LotbiniSre and Megantic Railway, ques. 590 Mackenzie, Sir William and Canadian National, ques. 1628, 2572 McNichol, Mr. J. L., ques. 994 Mann, Sir Donald, ques. 2183 Members' stenographers, salary of, ques. 2311
Montmorency public works, ques. 593 Naval Service, 4402
Ballantyne, Hon. Mr., reference to leader of Opposition, 4411 Newspapers, payments to, ques. 1114 Newsprint, ques. 994, ques. 588, ques. 589, ques. 2720
Export, ques. 1358, ques. 1114 Parliament Buildings, 1428-32 Parliamentary Secretaries, ques. 1036 Paroled prisoners, ques. 2005 Quebec and Saguenay Railway, ques. 506, ques. 672, ques. 1120
Casgrain, Mr. Pierre F.-Con,
Quebec and Saguenay Railway-Con. Freight rates, ques. 589 St. Iren#e, 3423
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix, ques. 673
Riviere du Gouffre, ques. 1121 Russia, military expedition to, ques. 995 St. James by-election, 707 St. Joachim postmaster, ques. 1121 Ste. Anne de Beaupre wharf, ques. 506 Shipbuilding, 651
Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill 3334 Tapley, W. H., and Baugh, E. L., 2015
Casselman, Mr. Orren D. (Dundas)
Budget, 2879. Repetitions in debate condemned-proposed general election, 2879; Government keeps its pre-election promises, 28S0; Civil Service reform-mail carriers-Union Government and the farmers, 2881; Farmers' party platform, 2882; Opposition fiscal policy-tax on unimproved land-Union Government's successful policy and administration, 2883
Experimental farms, motion to adjourn debate, 1017
Cattle Embargo, ques. 340
Cattle Shippers and Government Vessels, 911
Caughnawaga, 3266
Censorship, 4556 Press, ques. 541
Regina library searched for banned books, 396
Census, the last, ques. 2009
Census and Election, 122
Cent Coin, ques. 2007
Central Vermont Railway, ques. 1035. See also Grand Trunk	~
Certificates of Service. See Canada Shipping Act (Masters and Mates)
Chabot, Mr. J. L. (Ottawa)
Mackenzie Avenue, Ottawa, ques. 999
Chair, Speaker's 3224-5
Chairman of Committees. See Deputy Speaker
Chambly Fort, 3769
Champlain Market Site, 2015
Champlain, Steamer. See that title under Vessels
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Budget, 2814. Messrs. W. C. Kennedy, Mc-Coig and Pardee, and Canadian industries, 2814; Ford car prices, 2815; Farmers' platform, 2816; manufacturers and duties on animals, grain, coal, etc., 2817; boot and shoe industry-canning industry-"no trusts in free-trade England," 2818; present condition of British trade, 2819; iron and steel industry of Great Britain, 2820; United States and tinplate-"who pays the duty"? 2821; local conditions in Lincoln, 2822; freight rates as a form of protection, 2823
Food and Drugs Bill, 963 Income tax
Absentees, 3303 Shares of no par value, 3239 Newspaper postage, 3751-5 Welland canal employees, 3138-9
Charlevoix- Montmorency
Customs collections, ques. 588 Customs officers, ques. 415 Lighthouse keepers, ques. 319 Pensioners, ques. 994, ques. 1358 Postmasters and mail carriers, ques. 320 Public works, ques. 590, ques. 592 Wharf repairs, ques. 589
Chartered Banks. See Banks
Charters, Mr. Samuel (Peel)
Alien immigrants, 818
Departmental printing plants, ques. 1738
Cheese. See Dairy
Cheese Factories. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Cheques and Promissory Notes, taxes on, 2487
Cheticamp, life saving station, 2115
Chicoutimi, defaulters, ques. 409.
Child Labour, 368
Children and Income Tax, 2928, 3297
Chinese in Canada, ques. 805.
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W. (Inverness) Buoy service, 2116
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Captains, ques. 1624 Withholding of information, 1653 Canadian National Railways, 4236 Orangedale-Cheticamp line, 4239 Canadian Wheat Board, ques. 801
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W.-Con.
Federal Emergency fund, ques. 998, ques. 1199
Grand Etang, 2114, 3779-80 Icebreakers, 1610 Illustration farms, 2390 Inverness railway, ques. 319, 4236 Lighthouses
Lighthouse Board, 2117-8 Lightkeepers' salaries, 2114 Margaree island, telephones, 2124 Marine department, 2121 Marine hospitals, 3554 Militia, headquarters staff, ques., 1511 Port Hood, 3159 Registration of shipping, 1614 Soldier Settlement, aid to fishermen, 1691 Wrecks, investigation, 1612
Chisholm, Col. H. A., ques. 3359
Chopped Feeds. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Choquette, Ex-Senator P. A., ques. 2572
Cimon, Mr., and Military Service Act, ques. 1461, ques. 1462
Cinematographic Films, tax on, ques. 3489. See also Moving pictures.
Civil Service. See also Civil Service Act Arndts. For departments see their titles Additions to, 2642, 2675, 2941, 3005, 3145, 3408	'
Analysts and inspectors under Food and Drugs Act, 964
Appointments-soldiers serving in Bermuda, ques. 1461 Bonus, 1269, 3228
Cheques, preparation of, 1280, 1285 Lightkeepers, 2110 Regulations, 1274
Salaries and, ques. 2079, ques. 2311 Telegraph operators, 2182 Classification, ques. 84, ques. 505, 675, ques?. 997, 1292, ques. 1624, 3769. For classification of the several depts. see their titles Arthur Young Co. 592, ques. 1511 Effective from 1st April, 1919, 345, ques. 674
Experts and, ques. 2413 Inside service, 4019, 4172 Motions for papers:
Ethier, Mr., 592 Fripp, Mr., 544,
Secretary to executive, ques. 2181 Vote to pay increased salaries, 4546 Commission, ques. 997, 4563-7. For classification of the departments, see their
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House of Commons-acoustics and audibility of debates, 345, 1417, 2317, 2081-2, 3952
Housing programme, ques. 707 Income tax, 3120, 3124 Charities, 3312
Exemptions on account of children, 3300 Incomes over $100,000, ques. 3490 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4435
Judges' salaries and pensions, 4425-6 * McKenzie, Mr., and Liberal leadership, 898 Militia-active militia, allowances, 3666-7 Naval service, 4395-9
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4381, 4389-90
Oleomargarine, 1785-6, 1848-53, 1855 Parliament Buildings, 1417, 1422-4, 1433 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3952
Committee-resignation 'of Mr. Peck, 2081-2
Public finance, economy in, 628 Point of order.-Franchise Bill, 2223 Political prisoners, 1790 Pace track betting, 3428-9 Saturday and morning sittings, 2783 Shipbuilding, 625, 647
Government programme ended, 905 Government vs. private ownership, 905 Profiteering, 898, 901 Subsidies, 899 Soldier Settlement, 2138 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Amendment, "Sales taxes," 3318, 3321-4 Changes proposed by Finance Minister, 3434, 3438, 3443
Collection, machinery for, 3325-7 Methods of-refunds, 3334, 3434-51 Progress of-retailers not collecting, 3479-80
Debate of Bill, arrangements for, 3454-5 Drayton, Sir Henry, reply to, 3448 Edwards, Mr., reply to, 3438 New taxes not "excise," 3316-8, 3321-4 Permanency of taxes, 3479 Returned soldier, exemption of-amdt (Mr. Lemieux) 3448 Steel and Shipping merger, 1948-54
Clements, Mr. H. S. (Comox-Alberni) Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3876 Recall, the, 2042
Skeena and Comox-Alberni, 3868 Voters' lists, 2434
Fraudulent naturalization papers, ques. 4096 Opium and Drug Bill, 1755
Clements Mr. H. S.-Co*.
Soldier Settlement, aid to fishermen, 1692 Vessel rates-shortage of ships, 1717-S
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery. See that title under Dominion Franchise Bill
Coal. See also Director of Coal Operations. See also Industrial Disputes Edmonton Board of Trade resolution, 322 Inverness railway and, 4236, 4241 Prices, 321
Purchases by Government Merchant Marine, ques. 1115, ques. 1623 Supply of-M. (Mr. Lemieux) to adjourn House to discuss, 3685 See also Railways, Car shortage
Coal Operations, Director of
Orders-in-Council, ratification of, 3360 Orders of laid on table, 3225
Coal Operations Director Bill; lr., 3106; 2r„ 3175; com., 3185; com., 3360; 3r„ 3690
Coasting Vessels. See Railway Commission; Railway Act Amdt
Cocagne, N. B. 3159
Ccckshutt, Mr. W. F. (Brantford)
Address in reply to Governor General's speech, 96. Parliament Buildings- Peace Treaty and League of Nations, 96; Christian Church and the Forward movement, 98; popular unrest; record of Union Government, 99; trade, Canadian National railways, 100; labour situation; farmers' movement, 101 prohibition, 102; Quebec and the trade .	question-general election, 100, 104
Budget, 2840. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2843; the new taxes, 2843; income tax-deficit on National Railways-West Indies, 2844; Mr. Deviin and outrages on negroes in United States, 2845'; trade conditions, 2846; Canadian surplus, British deficit; Britian's national balance sheet; Canadian Merchant Marine-Mr. Fielding's policy when Minister of Finance, 2848; comments on other speeches, 2849; tariff-parable of the farmers-United Farmers' platform, 2851; protection for farm products, 2852; "implement of production," 2853, income tax defaulters, 2854; farmer candidates in Brant -the labour man, 2855; Canada and United States, competition in manufacturing, 2857
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Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1937-9
Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1514-5
Candidate's consent, 1095
"Ecclesiastics," 1077
Oath by elector, 1102
Personation, etc., 1159
Polls, hours to be open, 1921-3
Provincial lists, 3893 .
Arndt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r„ 4366
Returning officers, 1576-81 Voting, manner of, 1104 Government steamers, wa^es, 1599-1600 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1506 Icebreakers, 2105-7 Maple products, 1255 Parliament Buildings, ques. 705 Furniture, 1421, 1427-8, 1434 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3956
Pensioners resident outside of Canada, 4048-9
Widowed mothers, 429 Post Office buildings, 3160 Re - establishment
Fishermen and loans, 4048 Students, 4048
Sackville public building, 31150, 3158 St. John district pension office, 1742 St. John harbour-pilots, 2119-21 St. John river wharves, 2122-3 Scammel, Mr. J. K„ 3784-5 Shipbuilding, 643, 660
Material, importation, ques. 1114 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4013 Special War Revenue Bill, 3329-30 Bank overdrafts, 3799 Sales tax, 3615 Tender and contract, 3160 West Indies, trade with, 1884
Copper, 4513
Copyright Bill, lr., 751-2
Corn. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Cost of Living. See High Cost. See also debates under Address; Budget: Board of Commerce
Coughlan Shipbuilding Company, 3360, ques. 3620
Courts, appeals from. See Supreme Court Act
Courts Martial, ques. 1359
Cowan, Mr. Walter D. (Regina)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 224. Union Government an honest government-democracy and democratic measures, 225; tariff, balance of trade, 226; tariff and prices- income tax, 227; tax on unimproved lands-war-time elections Act, 228; naturalization of aliens-Board of Commerce, 229 Canadian Northern Railway Willow Bunch, Wood Mountain- western extensions, 3379-82 Coal operations, director, 3178, 3191 Experimental farms, 2390 Franchise Bill Aliens-certificate, 2085 Voters' lists, 2433
Provincial, adoption of, 2337-8, 2340-1 Indemnity of members, 4094 Last Mountain river dam, 3788-9 Natural resources development, 1021 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 390, 394, 3198
Scientific research, 2167 Superannuation of public employees, 394
Crerar, Hon. T. A. (Marquette)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 143. New Parliament building, 143; parliamentary government - League of Nations and Canada's status, 144; monetary exchange and trade, 145; natural resources and production - tariff - wheat production, 147; pulpwood-the "Agrarian " movement-by-elections, 148; luxury and income taxes, 149; immigration, 150; franchise and citizenship, 151; proposed general election, 152 Agriculture-federal and provincial control, avoidance of duplication, 2386-7 Bridges and the provinces, 3777-9 Budget, date of, 2126
Budget, 2896. Criticisms of Progressive group, 2896; government control in wheat not desirable-operations of farmers' business organizations- Timiskaming by-election and One Big Union, 2897; expenditure should be reduced-new taxes, 2898; business profits and income taxes-the tariff, 2899; the Government and protective tariff, 2900-Great Britain's fiscal policy'-Britain and Germany, 2901; British trade and foreign investments -tinplate industry, 2902; British industrial and social conditions, 2903;
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agriculture in Canada and Great Britain-inquiries into industries, 2905; result of the war-, Britain and other countries compared, 2906; Canadian Council of Agriculture tariff policy, 2907; British tariff policy would apply advantageously in Canada- agriculture under disadvantages -textile industry, 2908; business combines and the tariff, 2909; Mr. Fielding's amendment, 2910
Canadian Wheat Board, 4119, 4348-54
Cold storage, 2407-9
Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3166, 3400
Dairy industry, 2405
Dominion arsenals, 3719
Fox farming, 2410
Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2217, 2223 House of Commons Audibility of debates, 2126, 2314 Two o'clock suggested as hour for meeting, 2781
Income tax-errors in returns, 3315-6 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4434 Judges' salaries, 3853 League of Nations, 4319-20 Militia-active militia-allowances, 3660, 3671-2
Mineral deposits Leases, etc., 3808-13 Tax on unused, 3810
Naval Service, additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4319
Retirement of members of public service, 3834
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3206-7 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3995 Special War Revenue Act Amdt., 3332-3 Bank overdrafts, 3799-3800 Collection, method of, 3483 Amdt.-taxes to be collected at source, 3484-7
Cresse, Mr. L. G. A.. K.C., ques. 4502 Criminal Cases, appeals in. See Criminal Code
Criminal Code Amendment Bills:
1.	Capital punishment.! lr., 308
2.	French version, lr., 2571;	2r., com.,
3081; ref. to Spl. Com. 3106; 3r., 3488
3.	Firearms; Use of Documents not sworn
to; sexual offences; gambling; attempted rape; unlawful use of uniform; differences on appeal; Quebec
Criminal Code-Con.
change of venue; lr., 2840; 2r., com., 3410; 3r., 3427; Sen. amdts., 4414 For details of debate see Doherty, Rt.
Hon. C. J.
Criminals, alleged, removal from one province to another.
See Criminal Code
Cronyn, Mr. Hume (London)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech (Mover) 11. Parliament Buildings-Union Government-League of Nations, 12; thrift-public finance, 13; tariff commission - immigration - scientific research, 14; representation and government ,- re-establishment, 15; capital and labour

after-war condition, 16; race and religion-Canada, 17; Earl Grey's farewell message, 18 Income tax
Charities, 3311-4 Patriotic funds, 3244 Pensions Bill, 4043, 4050 Drafting in accordance with decisions of Com., 4041
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044
Widowed mother, dependent parent, 4043 Pensions and Re-establishment Com.
Peck, Mr., resignation of, 2081 Report; M. to adopt, 3922. History of pensions increase, 3923; changes and present state, 3927; insurance, 3928; war service gratuities-Re-establishment, 3930; work of Com. 3931; in reply-unanswered letter, explanation. 3957
Printing additional copies, 4321 Pensions, widowed mothers, M. (Mr. Power), 428
Returned soldiers' insurance, 4054 Scientific Research-Com., Special, report of, 2154
Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585
Crothers, Hon. T. W. (West Elgin)
. Civil Service
Retirement of members, 4063-6 Superannuation, 391-2, 4568 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3368, 3375 Food and Drugs Bill, 959-60 Franchise Bill
Chief Electoral Officer-Biggar, Mr. O.
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Opium and Drug Bill, 1641, 1646-8 Postmasters' salaries, 4526 Race track betting, 3427 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 391, 394
Crowe, Mr. S. J. (Burrard)
German and Austrian books, ques. 806 Shipping-sick and distressed mariners, 3104
Currency. See also Finance
Canadian, in United States, ques. 341 Copper-new one cent coins, 402, ques. 2007
Dominion notes and gold, ques. 588 Inflation, 107 Token money, 401 United States silver coins, 402
Currency Act Amdt. Bill (Coinage). Res. 399;lr„ 402; 2r., com., 460; 3r., 462
Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3641, 3648, 3652-6,
3706, 3708
Currie, Mr. John A. (North Simcoe)
Balance of trade, 4329
Budget, 3053. Reduced tariff protection, 3053; Liberal-Conservatives and the Budget-how to secure greater markets-"jug-handled" free trade, 3054; home market for beef-effect of cotton duty in United States-Canadian conditions before protection-3055; danger of increasing purchases from United States-indirect and direct taxation -luxury tax and key industries, 3056; free trade agitation sectional-protection needed for glass, chinaware, silk spinning-tinplate-Canada's	opportunity and how to meet it, 3057; resources, population, wise and paternal government-injurious effect of free trade agitation, 3058; Liberals and manufacturers-luxury tax opposed'- socialists influence, 3059; free trade and public revenues-Adam Smith on sales tax, 3060-"Who pays the duty?"-a free trade Budget. 3061; "going to the country"-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3062; national policy approved-not pledged I
Currie, Mr. John A.-Com.
Budget-Con.
to support present policy further than next session, 3063 Canadian National Railways
Canadian Pacific Railway, and, 3384 Deficit-rates, 3382-3 Extensions, 3383 Political patronage, 4222-3 Coal operations, director, 3175-6 Franchise Bill
Chief Electoral Officer, 1071-3 Disqualification of candidates, 1086 Naturalization-amdt. (Mr. Euler) to 3r., 4368-72
Polling divisions, 1520 Returning officers, 1530 Voters' lists, provincial, 2355-63 Franking privilege, 3356-8, 3762-7 Fuel Supply
Demurrage charges, 4328 Special powers for Railway Commission, 4327
Grain transportation charges, 2634 Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1122, 1131, 1138, 4511
M. to restore pension status, 1122 House of Commons Staff, classification, 1041-4 Income tax
Deficits and losses, 3241 Patriotic and charitable funds, 3245-8 Stock dividends, 3238 Surplus revenues, 3252 Inland revenue, spirits, 3816 Luxury taxes-United States, in, 2528 National defence, 4303-5 Newspaper postage rate, 3351 Catalogues and parcels, 3356 Newspapers and propaganda, 4378 Parliament Buildings, 1420	'
Pensions Committee Report, printing, 4321 Resignation of member of, 1085 Printing, Joint Com. on, 4257-8, 4321-2, 4503-6
Quebec's ancient fortifications, 425-6 Sick and distressed mariners, 2256 Soldier settlement-fishermen, 3220 Steel and shipping merger, 1960 Toronto
Letter carriers, 345 Militia property, 3728-31 Wealth, taxation of, 2527 Workmen's compensation Act and seamen, 2263
Customs. See also Customs Tariff Automobiles, smuggled, ques. 807
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Debt, National, ques. 309, 2478
DeCelles, Mr., 114, 210
Superannuation, 296S, ques. 3489
Dechene, Mr. Aime Miville (Montgomery) Budget, 2946. The new taxes, 2946; manufacturer® and their products, 2947; rural population and its problems-[DOT] new ideas in farming-votes for experimental farms and for Department of Agriculture generally, 2948; demonstration farms and local demonstrators in Quebec-well-being of the farmer the country's safest asset, 2951 Butter and cheese grading, 599 Canadian National Railways Electric systems, ques. 1510 Express companies and, ques. 801 Civil Service Bonus, 7191
Classification, ques. 1624 Quarantine station operators, 1281 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3169-70 Food and Drugs Bill, 1258, 1262 Franchise Bill, fees-statement to be in box, 1927
French speeches in House, translation of, 703
Government employees at Sorel, ques. 1199 Government steamers, 1604-6 Grosse Isle, public works, ques. 343, ques. 344
Maple products, 1255, 1258 Naval Service, 4406 Public loan, ques. 810 St. Lawrence dredge, 1616-20 St. Regis Indians, ques. 799 Toronto Eastern Railway, Toronto Suburban Railway, ques. 1004, ques. 20S0
Defaulters. See Military Service
Delinquents. See Juvenile Delinquents
Delisle, Mr. Michel Simeon (Portneuf) Icebreakers, St. Lawrence channel, ques. 317
Demers, Mr. M. J. (St. Johns and Iberville) Bank interest, 992
Blue books, language in which published, ques. 992, ques. 1004
Budget, 2708. Balance of trade, 2708; cost of living-economy, 2709; protection and its effects, 2710; development of natural industries, 2711
Demers, Mr. M. J.-Con.
Bulgarian Peace treaty, ques. 316 Canadian Expeditionary Force, numbers, ques. 315
Commission of Conservation Engineer, ques. 1002-Town Planning Adviser, ques. 100$ Farmers' Account book, French edition, ques. 315 Franchise Bill
Polling divisions, 1517, 1520 Polls, hours to be open, 1920 Registrars, 720
League of Nations, Canada's contribution, ques. 316
Mines department, ques. 672 Naval Service, 4401-2 Newsprint Controller, ques. 315 Ottawa new public building, ques. 1002 Quebec city mail deliveries, ques. 591 Rural mail carriers, ques. 591 Smith, Mr. J. E., ques. 2722 Vancouver dry dock, ques. 316
Demobilization, 19, 53, 4550, 4556, 4585. See also War Bonds; Reconstruction; Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment
Demobilization Appropriation Bill. Res. 4137. (See War Bonds, Over-subscriptions.)
Demobilization Vote-Housing and, 3545
Denis, Mr. Jean J. (Joliette)
Budget, 3043. Late sittings of the House- congratulations to Minister of Finance -tobacco duties, 3043; national emergency and the Budget-revenue and expenditure, 3044
Business of the House, state of, 3216 Canadian National Railways-stations, 891
Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) 3083-4
Dairy industry, 2403 Exhibition Commissioner, 4558-9 Fertilizer, freight rates on, 2407 Food and Drugs Bill, 960 Franchise Bill Advance polls, 1940-3, 3875 Ballots and ballot boxes, 1097, 1104 Deposit, 1093-5 Disqualification
Candidates, of, 1088-9 Electors of-charitable support, those receiving, 1812-7, 1997 1812-7, 1997 Interpretation, 1987 " Candidate," 1985 " During an election," 1985-6
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Nomination,
Place of, 1092-3 Postponement of, 1096 Polling divisions, 1516-9 Reading of clauses in Com., 1919 Returning officers, 1528-30, 1574-5, 1585-8 Public officials, 1802-4, 1809 Votes for informal candidate, 1096 Voting on certificate, 1099-1100 Women voters, 2418-9
Married, names how listed, 1827, 3869 General election, deposits lost, ques. 922 Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill, 1303, 1317, 1357, 1435, 1442-3, 1449-50 Strike of 1910 and pensions, 1553 Gold shipment to New York, 181 Icebreakers, 1602 Income tax
Additional information, demand for, 3302 Checking returns, 3128 Multiplicity of laws, 3315 Overpayment, 3254
Those who did not make reports, 3118-21 Interim Supply Bill. 3216 Judges' salaries, 3851 Moving pictures, 3627 National defence, 4302 Naval Service, 4300-5 One-cent coin, ques. 2007 Parliament buildings, 1423, 1427 Railways-public ownership rates, 1442. 1449
Royal Military College, 3152-3 Scientific Research, 2162 Session of Parliament, time of, 3217 Shipbuilding, contracts, 894 Statutes, suggested revision, 3821 Supply, undue haste complained of, 4562 Supreme Court Act, 2389 Tobacco growing, 2383, 3819-20 West Indies Conference, 3860 Yukon, 3281-2
Departments of Government, reduction of,
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. George H. Boivin)
Rulings and Statements of Adjournment-order to be maintained, 1838
Arndts., one at a time, 1819 Appeal from ruling as Chairman, put by him as Speaker, 3664 Appeal from ruling-statement of appeal questioned, 1327, 3664 Arrangements to facilitate business- Franchise Bill, 3903
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Bills
Arndts, to, order of, 2224-5 Involving charge on public revenue, 1513. See also, under this title, Motions Com.
Clause cannot be re-opened after adoption, 1256
Com. and 3r. at same sitting, 1061 Discussion, subsection by subsection, 1935, 1943
Explanation of Bill only by unanimous consent, 396, 1685 Reading of section by Chairman, 584, 1254, 1919
Section adopted, amendable only on reconsideration, 2365 Sub-clause amended, clause not passed-further discussion, procedure in, 1744 Consolidation of two, 1234 Preamble, proposal to insert, 4155 Special Com., ref. to by House, not by Com. of the Whole, 1639, 2022 Title, discussion of details without motion irrelevant, 4466 3r.,
Immediately after amdt. in, Com. only by consent, 1256 Chair to be addressed, 2030, 2231, 3308, 3550
Debate closed, 1044
Debates-publication	of matter not
spoken, 447, 4251 Decorum-conversation, 2317-8 Denials, 1184
Documents re-read at same session, 2294 Explanation-section amended, 3391 Granby public building, 3149-50 House of Commons officials, 949 Interim supply vote, explanation-rule 17c, 755
Interruptions, 353, 1131, 1179, 2033, 2528, 2916, 3062, 3500, 4118, 4150 Cahill, Mr.-Sir Henry Drayton, 3339 Member may rise to ask permission to ask question, 2047
Member requested to give way, 3454 Questions, 286-7
Asked by permission, not in question form, 1719 *	Limited, 25,62
May exhaust right to speak, 2568 Language
"Delusional insanity," 2732 "False statements," 3006
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"Knows that the statement he has ' made is untrue" 3549 "You are trying to fool someone," 35:50 Matters sub-judiee-Labrie brothers, 3849 Members1
Honour of-insinuation, 1186 How to be referred to, 2831 -"the hon delegate" 2032 Interrupted, but address not completed, holds the floor, 3'520 Recognition of by the Chair, 2756 Whips' list of names, 3045 . Resume seat when Chairman rises, 2042 Right to speak exhausted, 871, 171S, 3086
Motion to adjourn debate negatived, 2951
Speaking, may not interrogate others, 2042
Statement of, to be accepted, 1224, 2291-2, 2334
To keep the floor, must speak, 2242 Motions
Involving charge upon public revenue, 1513, 3587, 4052
Non-debatable-Com. rise, etc., 1044, 1082, 1585, 3617 Seconder not needed, 3587 To be in writing, 1263 Mover to close debate, 333, 419, 553, 1225, 3837, 3403
Indemnity of members-Sir Robert Borden, 4454
Negative motion, 1264, 1915 Nothing before the Chair, 1597 Notice of motion passed over, afterwards called, 703 Point of order
May be discussed, 2032 Right of member to raise, 11*83 Previous debate, 1397, 1677-8 Privilege-question not to be raised, 291S Quorum, count of members, 964 Relevancy, 394, 645, 648, 656-7, 864, 915, 985, 1060, 1313, 1317-8, 1692, 3140, 3401, 3474, 3491, 3545, 3627, 3663, 3667, 3849, 3996
Appeal (Mr. McMaster) from ruling, 1327
Budget resolutions. 3338 Canadian National Railways Bill, 33845
Car shortage, 1317
Doherty, Mr., and Irish question, 1496 "Excise" taxes, 3318 Explanation and request for instructions-Special War Revenue Act
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Relevancy-Con.
Amdt. Bill, 3455
Franchise Bill, 1064, 1071-3, 1176, 1196, 1197-8,	1932,	1935,	2223-31,	2294,
2327, 2334
Amdt suggested, not moved, 2337-8 Canada Temperance Act, 2053 Documents re-read, 2294 , Personalities, 2048-50
Reconsideration of clause, 1997 St. Johns election, 2239 Schedule, discussion of, 1999 School system, 2233 Sermon, 1077
Gould, Mr., election of, 2038 Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill Section and schedule considered together, 1435 Strike of, 1910, 4511 Judges' salaries and indemnity of members, 3853 Militia estimates, 3656 Appeal (Mr. Cannon), not sustained,
-	3663-5
Militia-
Cockshutt, Mr., remarks of, 3673 Peck, Mr., remarks of, 3669 Tweedie, Mr., remarks of, 3667-9 Opium and Drug bill, 1746 Post Office, 3742-4, 4531 Reference allowed as for comparison, otherwise out of order, 3492 Unanimous consent to disregard rule, 2105
Ways and means, 915 Repetitions, 2286 Resolution, error in, 3628 Saturday night-time of adjournment, 4320
Six o'clock interrupts debate-procedure, 1034
Special War Revenue-questions, opportunity for, 3631
Suggestions to facilitate debate, Special War Revenue, 3564
Supply-motion for, limits of debate on, 872
Supply-reverting to previous item, 4565 Taxation-request for statement by Minister, 3597
- Unanimous consent, 796, 1692, 1999, 2023, 2389, 3315, 3565 Latitude in debate, 2105 Reverting to former clause of bill, 1061 Stacey, Mr., on Indian Act Amdt., 4021 3r., of Bill immediately after amdt. in Com. 1256
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Sections and subjects discussed-Con. Ballots, 1097
Counterfoil and, 1103, 1104 Counting before opening of poll, 1101 Forgery or destruction of, 1098 Form of, black border, 1168 Not to be displayed, 1103 Ballot boxes, 1097 Custody of, 1928 Returning, 1927 " Blocking the poll," 1827 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1156
By-election, simultaneous, 1090-1
Amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 4359-60 to 3r. Campaign funds. See under thin title Contribution
Canada Temperance Act, 1166,	1943,
2052, 3864 Candidates,
Consent, 1095 .Withdrawal of, 1096 Canvassing by outsiders, 772, 786 Chief Electoral Officer, 339, 1070, 1075, 4264
Remuneration of-res. 4136 Report as to working of law, 1110 Salary, 1512, 4516 To retain papers, 1111, 1928 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1069, 119S
Compulsory voting, 1062-4 Contributions, 7S1, 1169, 1930 Publicity of, amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie
King), 4272; amdt. (Mr. McMaster), 1171; neg. 1198; amdt. (Mr. Maharg) to 3r., neg., 4373
Conveyance of electors to polls, 786, 1061 Corrupt practices-disqualification, 1160 Counting and reporting vote, 1109 Definitions, 775 Deposit, 1091, 1095 Deputy returning officers, 1074 Disfranchisement, 731, 735, 738, 746, 748, 750,' 757, 763, 765, 768 Disqualification-See algo under this head, corrupt
Candidate, of, 1085, 4271 Electors of, 1996
Charitable aid. those receiving, 1812 Criminals, 1S20
Returned soldiers exempted from, 1S11, 1820
Voting notwithstanding, 1S24 "Ecclesiastics," 1070, 1076 Election clerk, 1073, 1515-6 Election expenses. 1152, 1929. See also under this title Contributions
Dominion Franchise Bill-Con.
Sections and subjects discussed-Con. Election expenses-Con.
Advertising, 1930
Proposal that Dominion treasury pay, 1197
Publicity of, 747 Return of by agent, 1155 Election officers, 1918 Fees and expenses, 3867, 4270 Taxation of, 1111, 1152 Persons disqualified for, 1075 "Election papers, 1928, 2023 Election return, 1110, 1928 Executory contracts void, 781 Expenses
Accounts, taxation of, 1929 Former general elections, 728 Or wages of voter, payment of forbidden, 1064 Personal, 1991 False, oath-penalty, 781 False statements-made to effect election, 1065
Fees, statement to be placed in box, 19267
Forms, 1166, 3868
Hindus who were soldiers, 1812, 1821 Interpretation, 1943 "Advance Poll," 1943 "Candidate," 1943, 1985 "During an election," 1985 "Election officer," 1987 "Elector." 198S
"Hours of the day"-"standard time," 1988, 1994
"Dist of voters," 1989 "Member," 19S9 "Official agent," 1991 "Rural Polling Division," 1991-2 "Urban polling division," 1991 "Voter," 1993 Judges and elections, 721 Jurisdiction, 712, 725, 761 Married women's names-how listed, 1827, 3869, 4272 Misfeasance-penalty, 1074 Names not on list, 1926^ 3877 Nomination ,of Candidates, 1090 "Electors" how defined, 1916 Place of, 1092 Postponement, 1096
Non-electors and non-residents, canvassing, 7S4-6 Notices, 777, 1169 Oaths, 779-81, 1102
Ontario, election laws amdt act, effect of, 3880-98
Ontario provincial voters' lists, 3880
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Sections and subjects discussed-Con.
Orders in Council, repeal of, 776 Orientals, 1811, 1820
Paid propaganda-amdt. (Mr. McMaster) to 3r„ 4374
Peace and good order, 1105 Liquor, 1108 Penalties, 1160
Personal registration of voters, rules for, 390J., 3907 Rules, 4272 "Plugging," 2350
Political contributions. See under this title Contributions.
Poll books to returning officer, 107S Polls
Hours to be open, 1919 Pencil provided, 1102 When to be held, 1101 Polling divisions, 1516, 1811, 1995 Polling place-parties present, 1098, 1102 Additional, 1826
Population and status of place, 2320 Present laws, insufficiency of, 710, 724 Printers' name, 779
Proclamation-language of publication, 1918, 2267, 2277, 1828, (Amdt) Mr. Tur-geon, 1834
Mailed to postmaster, 1080 Notices, etc., 2319 Provincial lists
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4363; neg. 4366 Jurisdiction, 339, 3889 Qualification of electors, 1811, 4271. See also under this title Aliens Indians, 2055 Recall, the, 2023-5
Amdt. (Mr. Tweedie) 2023-5, neg. 2052 Recount by Judge, llld If judge fails to act, 1110 Registrar and enumerator, 1096 Registrars, 720, 728, 3899
Public officers, choice of, as, 722 Registration of voters Interrogatories, 1167 Removing notices, 779'
"Residence," 1159 Returning officer, 720, 759
Civil Service Commission, proposed appointment by, 1809 Duty on receipt of writ, 1516 Further duty of, 1096 Oath of, 1166
Rules for personal registration amdts. 3901
Rural municipalitiess 339 Schedules, 1166
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Counting and reporting vote, 1109 Oath by elector, 1102 Polling divisions, 1517 Polls, hours to be open, 1924 Returning officers, 1584 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1458 Rulings and statements as Chairman Bills, printed in both languages, 3251 Soldiers Settlement Act-cattle branding, 1698
Special War Revenue Amdt. Bill Bank overdrafts, 3798 Candy, 3592 Carpets and rugs, 3585 Hats, 3453
Jams and marmalades, 3796 Underwear, 3453-4, 3567
Douglas, Mr. John C. (Cape Breton South and Richmond)
Coal purchases by Canadian Merchant Marine, ques. 1115
Drayton, Hon. Sir Henry (Minister of Finance)
Auditor General's report, 458, 2179, 2390 Belgium, proposed credit, 583 Bonds, tax-exempt, 3339 Budget, inquiry as to, 1047 Budget, the, 2476. Exports and imports (aggregate trade) 2477; national debt, 2478; inflation, 2479; trade with Great Britain and with United States, 2481; revenue and expenditure, 1919-20 and estimated for 1920-1,	2483; Grand
Trunk acquisition, 2484; luxury taxes, 2486; motor cars, liquors, sales, stamps, moving pictures, 2487; income tax, 2488; business profits tax-customs war duty removal, 2489; tariff, 2490; resolutions, 2492 Business profits war tax, 3111-7, 3229-37 Public utilities, 3230-7 Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine-withholding of information justified, 1679-80 Civil Service Bonus, 1269-71, 1279-89 Slide masters, 1279 Insurance, 1054-6, 1779-81 Retirement fund, 459-60 Currency (coinage) 399, 401 Exchange and, 461 Currency Act Amdt., 460-2 Customs Tariff Act Amdt. Bill, 3110-1, 3174
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Gas and electricity, ta?, 3111-4 Gold shipment to New York, 181 Government annuities, 402-6, 462-3 Income War Tax Act Amdt. Bill, 3118-28, 3237-55, 3296, 3316, 4288 Absentees, 3303
Accounting period, 3305-8	.
Additional information, demand for, 3302
Beneficiaries, 3309
Canadian Pacific Railway Company, and, 3306 Charities, 3313 Consolidation of laws, 3315 Deficits and losses, 3240-1, 3297 Delinquents, disputable assessments, 3118-27
Distraint of goods, 3304 Dividends, when liable, 3305-6 Earned and unearned incomes, 3309-10 Errors in returns, 3315-6 Estate accumulating in trust, 3243, 3309 Exemptions on account of children, 3297 Five per cent added, 3251-2 Graduated tax, 3126 " Householders," 3249, 3315 Indemnity of members and, 3306, 3310-1 Installments, 3301, 3253 Partnerships, 3252 Part payment with return, 3253 Patriotic and charitable funds, 3244-8, 3309
Penalties, 3303 Pensions, 3253 Refunds, 3301
Residence or investment outside Canada, 3249-51
Retroactive provision, 3304 Returns, 3253-4 Forms, in French, 1085, 1573 Stock dividends, 3238-40 Tax Bills delayed, 3125 Interim Supply Bill, 3215-8 Kingston Harbour works, 459 Loan Companies Act Amdt., 1776-1779 Mint, the, 615-6, 798 Newsprint shortage, 2967-8 Returned soldiers' insurance, Senate amdts., 4466
Returns and questions, 753 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 583-4
Session of Parliament, time of, 3217 Shipbuilding, cost of-not another popular loan, 917
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3480, 3791
Amdt. (Mr. Crerar). Taxes payable at.
source, 3483-7 Auctions, 3575 Automobiles, 3597, 3793 Bank overdrafts, 3624-5, 3798-3800 Beer used to make vinegar, 3604 Binder twine, 3623 Boats, canoes, etc., 3588-92 Boots, 3563-3585 Breakfast foods, 3795 Bric-a-brac, 3576 Candy, 3592-4 Caps, 3566, 3790 Carpets and rugs, 3585 Chandeliers, 3578
Changes made in resolutions, 3345 Clark, Mr. M„ reply to, 3442-5, 3449 Date of coming into effect, 3607, 3629 Defended-precedent of 1896, 3444 Duties paid before, 3624 List and explanation, 3561-2 Chewing gum, 3594 Clocks and watches, 3574 Clothes, 3564, 4289-90 Collection,
Method of, 3465-8, 3458-9 Progress of-retailers and collections, 3479
" Consumer," how defined, 3795 Containers, 3633-4 Curtains, 3578
Debate of, arrangements for, 3454-6 Dresses, except silk, 3587 Duties paid before changes, 3624 " Excise and sale " and luxury taxes, 3316, 3319-20, 3465-8 Amdt. (Mr. Lemieux), exemption of returned soldiers, 3447 Explanation and answering of questions, 3326-35 Firearms, 3595, 3793 Food, 3616, 3795	.
Fountain pens, etc., 3577-8, 4289 Furniture, 3575-6
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3597 Glass, cut, 3569
Imports and manufactures, 3566 Instructions issued, 3791, 3480 Jams and marmalades, 3796 Jewellery, 3578-85 Licenses, 3581 Medals, 3585
Wedding rings, 3584, 3797
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Lace and braid, 3574
Licenses, 3606-8, 4290
Small manufacturers, 3797 Liquor cabinets, smokers' cabinets and tea wagons, 3793
Merchandise not delivered on May 19, 3613
Moving pictures, 3627-8 Musical instruments, 3595-6, 3628-9 Oriental rugs, 3577 Overcoats, 3586
Paragraph by paragraph, consideration, M. 3487-8
Peas (split), etc., 3795 Penalties, 4290 Permanency of taxes, 3479 Plated ware, 3572 Playing cards, 3599-4000 Prices, how arrived at, 3790 Promissory notes, 3624 Proprietary medicines, 3600-6 Purses and pocketbooks, 3568 Real estate sales, 3796 Refunds, 3607-8, 3629-31 Ribbons, 3574 Sales taxes, 3608-17, 3794 Foods, 3616-7
Manufacturers' agents, 3610 Senate amendments, 4505-6 Silk fabrics, 3572-3 Silk kimonas, etc., 3790 Silk waists, 3632 Silksi, 3563
Spirits and medicated wines, 3600, 3793 Sporting goods, 3569-72 Stamps, 4290 Stamp taxes, 3627, 3801 Stock transfers, 3625-6, 3800 Stockings, 3567 Tobacco pipes, 4289 Toilet ware, 3576 Tooth washes and powders, 3794 Underwear, 3568 Wedding rings, 3797 Wheat meal, 3796 Supply
Interim vote, 754-6
Taxation of mutual insurance companies, 2080
Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586 Trust Companies, 855 Trust Companies Act Amdt., 1779 Victoria Shipowners (limited) 4584 War loans-oversubscriptions, 4137, 4180- 1, 4287-8
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Dry Docks, 4567
Vancouver, B.C., ques. 316, ques. 36.20 Victoria, B.C., ques. 3'619
Duff, Mr. William j(Lunenburg)
Archibald, Col. Grassie, ques. 2007 "Canada," steamer, ques. 1230 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, Ques. 996
Income and expense, 623 Information withheld, policy opposed, 1676, 1681
Canadian navy, ques. 540 "Canadian Recruit," steamer, ques. 312 Cape Race, 2117
Charlottetown fish hatchery, ques. 313 . Civil Service Insurance, 1054-5 Retirement fund, 459-60 Dredging, 3783-4 Extension of trade, 1884 Firearms-licenses-ship-captains, 3411 Fisheries
British Columbia, 3534 Department, estimates, 3521-5 Development of, M. in favour, 839 Food inspectors, 3539-41 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1164, 1933-6, 2001
Peace and good order, 1107 Voters' lists, provincial, 2333-7 'Govt, steamers, crews, wages, 2112-3 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, branch lines, 1318-9
Halifax marine agency, 2110 Hanna, Mr. D. B. and Canada Steamships, Limited, 1742
Health Department and Civil Service Commission, 3543
Housing expenditure, 3550 Icebreakers, "Montcalm," 2112 Ice conditions, Atlantic coast, 2105- 7 International Fisheries Commission, ques. 811
Liquor shipments and Marine Dept., 2108 Lunenburg, registrar, 2108-10 Margeson, Mr. J. W., ques. 1036 Marine hospitals, 3554 Masters and mates, 569, 984-6 Naval defence
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Ballantyne, Hon. Mr., statement as to leader of Opposition, 4412i Salaries, 4409
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., ques. 3618 Oleomargarine, 1865
Pensions Board employees and soldier organizations, ques. 1116 Pictou harbour, 2184-89; 3493 Wharfage dues, 2189 Pilotage, 2120-1
Public buildings-payments, 3724 Roumania, shipments to, ques. 312, ques. 343
St. Lawrence river power development, ques. 1120, ques. 1230
Shipbuilding and Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 632, 641, 646 Expense and Income, 904-6 Government ownership, 906 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4001-8, 4148-51, 4159-67
Sick and distressed mariners, 2256-58, 2260 Skeena river hatchery, ques. 412 Soldier settlement, and fishermen, 1690' Special War Revenue Act Arndt Bill, 3466 Bank overdrafts, 3625 Collection, method of, 3478-80 Motor boats, canoes, etc., 3588-90 Musical instruments, 3595 Staff, estimated, 3478 "Stanley," steamer, ques. 312 Steamboat inspection 1051-2, 1763-75 West Indies, 1885
Duncan, Mr. Walter, ques. 1117, ques. 2720 Dupont, Mr. Joseph, ques. 590 Du Tremblay, Mr. P. R. (Laurler-Outremont)
Allies conference at Ostend, 2476 Budget, 3063. New taxes and high cost of living, 3063; income tax-revenue needs as argument for new taxes'-tariff commission, 3064; shipbuilding-the German war indemnity, 3065; England after the war-congratulations to Minister of Finance, 3066 Franchise Bill "Candidate," 1985 Proclamation-two languages, 1082 Newspaper postage, 3760 Ottawa city, agreement with, 988 Parliament buildings, 1427 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4005, 4009'
War indemnity-Canada's share, 1084
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Economic Development Commission, ques. 1896	.
Editorial Committee, 4322. See also Printing French member necessary, 4503-5
Edmonton
Alberta penitentiary, 3855, ques. 2777 Post Office, 4518
Deputy postmaster, ques. 1739 Papers, motion for, 1900 Money parcel lost, ques. 412, 923
Edmundston
Post office and customs, ques. 2722
Education. See also Technical Education; Schools
Aliens, of, 819, 822
English speech among the foreign-born, 814	i
Federal Bureau of, 826
M. (Mr. Edwards) in favour of, 1362 Methods of, 820
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley (Frontenac) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 135. Reply to Mr. W. F. Maclean, 135; vacancies and by-elections, 136; Assiniboia by-election-absence of Prime Minister, 137; cabinet representation-Hon. Mr. Blondin, 138; French-Canadians and Hon Mr. Blondin-Wartime elections act, 139; Military Voters Act and its effect on election, 140; Opium, Hon. Mr. Mackenzie King and, 141; Hearst papers, 142; Quebec and its "hour," 143 Aliens
Immigrants and Canadian citizenship, 826
" Suckling traitors," 732 Budget, 2723. Tariff inquiry and revision, 2723; Liberal party and tariff, 2724; comparison of party records on the tariff, 2725; tariff amdts. of Mr. McMaster and Mr. Fielding, 2728, 2732; Mr. M. Clark and tariff proposals, 2729; Great Britain and protection- fiscal matters and prices in 1909, 2730; reciprocity, 2731; rural depopulation, 2733; Canadian agriculture and United States markets and competition, 2734; Mr. Crerar and the farmers, 2737;
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley-Con.
Budget-Con.
Grain Growers' Grain Company, etc., 2738; protection not for a section, but for the country, 2739 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service Holidays, 4059 Senate staff, 4059
Clark, Mr. M., record and views on free trade, 2729, 3436-8 Farmers' party, 610
Federal Bureau of Education, 826, 1362, 1384-5, 1396, 1400 Franchise Act, 733 Aliens-certificate, 2231, 2245 Contributions-Assiniboia expenses, 1187 Proclamation, language of publication, 1831-2, 1836, 2280-4, 2288-91, 2295 Recall, the, 2030-4, 2039-42 Assiniboia 1180-1, 1186 Registration-interrogatories, 1168 Returning officers, public officials, 1793 Grading export butter and cheese, 592, 609 Hearst publication^, 142, ques. 993, 1290 Income tax Charities, 3312
Exemptions on account of children,
Inspector at Kingston, ques. 2181 Indemnity of members and salaries of, ministers, 4083
Lighthouses and keepers, 2114 Military training, 3713 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3671 Cadet service, 3712 Musical instruments, tax on, 3595 Oleomargarine, 597, 612, 1782-7, 1849-73 Pensions and re-establishment, 3941
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4047-9
Widowed mother resident outside of Canada, 4047
Portsmouth penitentiary, vacancies in chief positions-Stoneham case, 568 Press gallery reporters, 4503 Race track betting, 3430 Rural mail carriers, 4525 Shipbuilding contracts, 666-7 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4011 Soldier settlement, 1688-89 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3319, 3339
Changes proposed by Finance Minister, 3436
Stoneham, Finlay, deceased convict, 568 The Menace, ques. 1899 Timiskaming election, 1188
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Aliens and franchise, 340. See also under this title, Franchise; Naturalization Belgium, proposed credit to, 582 Canadian National Railways, mail contracts and, 4530 Civil Service bonus, 4547 Eight-hour day, 357, 383>
Jurisdiction, ques. 509 Franchise Bill, 739 Advance polls, 3876
Aliens, 20*57, 2065-6, 2071, 2074-5, 2091-6, 2227-8, 2231-2, 2240-2 Arndt. 2096 Arndt, to 3r., 4367-72 Voters' lists, 2429	[DOT]
Provincial lists, 3895
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1501, 1505
Income tax, 3126 Internment case, 4518 League of Nations, 357 Letter carriers, 4529 Naturalization Act, 3683 Alien, enemy origin, 3920 Certificate not issued, 3919 Imperial citizenship and, ques. 996 Revocation of certificate, 3915-8 Opium and Drug Bill, 1633-4, 1746, 1751-3-Parliament Buildings, 14'2'5-7 Postal employees' salaries, 2670, 3145 Roumania, advance to, ques. 3483 Rural mail carriers, ques. 414, 4523 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4144-7, 4156 Special War Revenue Act Arndt, 3439
Auctions, 3575	.
Automobiles, 3598
Boats, canoes, etc., 3590-1
Collection, method of, 3439, 34*59-62
Furniture, 3574-5
Hats, 3562
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3596 Jewelry, 3579
Luxuries, on retail sale, list of, 3462 Musical instruments, 3628
Europe, distress in, 116, 4545. See also League of Nations
"Examiner of Estimates," 108
Exchange, rate of, 69, 112, 126, 145, 157, 165, 178, 190
Gold shipment to New York, 181 United States trade, and, 55
Exchequer Court Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 2003; 2r. com., 2200; 3r., 2204
Excise
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Prices, effect on, 3329 Exhibitions, 45*58
Exhibition Buildings, use of by Militia, ques. 2009
Experimental Farms. Seq also Agriculture; Commercial Feeding Stuffs, ques. 1360, 2382, 2390, 2412 Achievements of, 1013 New buildings, etc, 3156 Ontario, extension in, M. by Mr. Sutherland, 1005
Swift Current, 4560 Exploration
Sitefansson expedition, ques, 704
Explosives, 2i24*8*. See also Beloeil; Mines
Export Regulations. See Customs Act Arndt
Exports. See also Trade Hides to United States, ques. 3(13 Increase of and means to promote, 621, 626 Wheat to United States, ques. 313 Wheat to Greece, ques. 415
Expropriation. See Irrigation Act
External Affairs, Dep, 4534
Extra-Territorial effect of Dominion legislation, 4169
Fafard, Mr. J. Fernand '(L'lslet)
Budget, 2717. Wish courage to those who have to pay taxes-railway deficits- standing army, 2717; militarism-new taxes-tariff revision, 2718; high cost of living and popular unrest, 2719; national unity, 2720
Cimon, Mr., and Military defaulters, ques. 14*62
Civil Service classification, ques. 997 Dominion land surveyors, ques. 1115, ques. 2006
Flax industry, 693*
Food-price regulation, 1144, 1151 High cost of living, 1151 St. Camilie-Cabano proposed railway, ques. 589
Farm Labour, 1011, 1220, 1227 Spring work, for, ques. 800
Farms, Fertility of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
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Federal Bureau of Education. See Education
Federal Emergency Fund, quest 1199; ques. 2182
Fertilizers, 119
Fielding, Hon. William Stevens (Shelburne
and Queen's)
Admiralty Act Amdt, 3086 "Allied and Associated Powers," 1234' Bill-printing of in English and French, 1007
Board of Commerce, 1685 Bridges, 3772-9
British Columbia Indians, 952 British North America Act Amdt, 41-69-70 Budget, The, 2495. Congratulations to Minister of Finance in view of difficulties of situation, 2496; loans, stabilizing the market, 2507-2517; borrowing in Canada and its effect, 2490; revenues and expenditure, 2500; net debt, 2501; economy needed, 2502; tariff, free trade v, or protection 2,503; bounties, 2506; the Farmers' party, 2507; Liberal party and policy, 2508; tariff inquiry, 2509; amdt moved, 2510 Budget, date of, 2247, 2318 Budget debate not limited by amdt, 2518 Business of the House, order of, 2314 Business profits war tax, 3111 Public utilities, 3231-2 Canada and the Empire, 493 Canada and the United States, 496 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, Crews, 641
Canadian National Railways Lockeport proposed extension, 3085, 3376, 4218
Nomenclature and legislation, 3390 Western extensions, 3390 Withholding of information, 1667 Withholding of information, 1667 Canadian representative at Washington.
See, under this title, Washington Correspondence, 3081 Canadian Wheat Board, 4358 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service Bonus, 1269-72, 1289 Insurance, 1056	.
Ottawa, taxation, 579 Retirement, 3825-30, 4460-5 Retirement fund, 459-60 Returned soldiers and, 3131
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Pensions, inadequacy of based on former values, 391 Principle approved, 392-4 Temporary employment, 3129-33 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3361-3 Concurrence in supply, 4586 Criminal Code Amdt (French version) 3081-84
Currency, coinage, 399 DeCelles, Mr., superannuation of, 2968 Dominion Lands Act Amdt (United States soldiers) 1234 Dredging, 3783 Dry docks, 4570-2 Eight-hour day, 380
Estimates and their discussion, 4586, 4589 Experimental and demonstration farms, 2385-6
Export regulations, 3621 Extra session, 1919, ques. 543 Firearms, licenses, 3410-3	-
Fish inspection, 1054, 4586 Food and drugs Bill, 956-69, 1257, 1260-2 Franchise Bill, 759 Advance and proxy voting, 1162 Aliens-certificate, 2072-6, 2234-7 Ballot and counterfoil, 1105 By-elections, simultaneous, 1090-1 Amdt. to 3r., 4359 Chief Electoral Officer, 1513, 4136-7 Successor to, 4270
Contributions-expenses-public treasury should pay, 1197 Conveying voters, 1063 Corrupt practices, 1160 Deposit, 1091, 1110
Disqualification of candidate, 1086-8 Election expenses, return, 1155 Election officers, fees, etc., 1111-2 False statement made to affect election, 1667
Nomination of candidates, 1090-2 Proclamation, 1081-2 Provincial lists, 2323, 2352-5, 2419-20 Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4365
Nova Scotia lists, 3899-3900 Returning officers, 1515 ,1521-5, 1632-5, 15 SI
Amdt-public officers, 1521 "Standard time," 1988-9 Franking privilege, 3358 French speeches in House, translation of 700
Government annuities, 403, 4528
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Grand Trunk Railway, 1251, 1296-1303, 1356 Branch lines, 1319-21 Loans-amdt., 1504, 1537 London-Trafalgar Square office, 1251 Ratification of agreement, 1321-4 Stocks, value of, 1562-3, 1567 Halifax, Militia Dept, property, 37'24 Hartney, Mr. E. P„ 4566 House of Commons
Empire Day adjournment, 2575 Monday for Government business, 1464 Orders of the day-time taken by Minister in reply to question, 3425 Saturday and morning sittings, 2786 Staff, organization and classification of, 1037
Messengers, 3037
Icebreakers - Nova Scotia south shore ports, 1607, 2124 Income tax, 3251
Charities, 3247-9, 3)312-3 Deficits and losses, 3241 Dividends, when liable, 3304-6 Part payment with return, 3253 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4073
Correction of press report, 4171 Separate bills suggested, 4380, 4454 Inquiry for return, 3226 Inspection and Sale Act Amdt
Nova Scotia fruit growers, 2017, 3109 Jellicoe, Admiral, 386 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4418-23 Doherty, Right Hon. Mr., case of, 4424 League of Nations
Canada's contribution toward expenses.
ques. 589, que. 618 Canada's status, 350 353, 366 Labour, 355-6 Peace, maintenance of, 353 Loan Companies Act Amdt, 1778 Lockeport, 3085, 3376, 4218 Lockeport-Froude's Point steamer service, 4514, 4284-5
Lotbiniere and Megantic Railway, 4585 Maple products, 796-7, 1254 . Militia, Contingencies, 3714 Mint, the, 616
Natal College graduates, 4563 Naval Service
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4386 Estimates, 4316-20 Newspaper postage, 3761 Nickel coinage, 400 Oil-leases, royalty on, 3809-10 Oleomargarine, ques. 1117, 1787, 1856-74
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Opium and Drug Bill, 1750, 1760 Ottawa city, agreement with, 580, 991-2 Parliament Buildings, 1418-23, 1429-32 Furniture and fittings, 3155 Partisanship, extreme, 493 Peace Treaty
Bulgaria, with, 475, 493, 1058-9 Canada's position, 493 France-protection	against Germany,
Ratification, 475 Peat, 3807
Penitentiary Act Amdt., 3409-10 Pensions-widowed mother, 4044-6, 4050 Point of order-matter pending before com., 3652
Prime Minister and portfolio, 4456 Privilege-Press report - indemnity of members, 4171 Public accounts, 1839 Public buildings, none new, 3147 Purchasing Board, 1469-78 Registered postal rate, 3733 Registrar of shipping, 2109 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3203, 4575 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3997,	4155-6,
4160-6	[DOT]
Sick and distressed mariners, 2265-6 Soldier Settlement, 1692 Fishermen and, 1690
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3320 Automobiles, 3599 Boats, canoes, etc., 3589-90 Collection, method of, 3464-6 Containers, 3615
Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3454-5 Fountain pens, 3577-8 Furniture, 3576 Imposition, mode of, 3340 Jewellery, 3339, 3578-84 Musical instruments, 3596, 3629 Proprietary medicines, 3602 Sporting goods, 3570 Stock transfers, 3626 Sugar embargo, 3226 Supply
Interim vote, 754-6 Terminal elevators, 1878 Trade Commissioners, 1886 War loans
Bonds, amount of, ques. 2008 Validation of over-subscriptions, 4180-1 Victory loans, 2520 "Washington, Canadian Minister at
M. in amdt. to Supply, 2442-4, 2453, 3081, 4534-42
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Foreign Credits
Belgium, proposed, 582 Serbia, reported, 567
Foreign Relations. See League of Nations; Washington, Canadian Minister at
Foreign Trade, 2477, 2481. See also Budget
Forestry, 3285
Forests, Waterways and Water Powers. See
also Dominion Lands and Parks Com. appointed, 307
Fortier, Mr. H. A. (Labelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 132. Canada under federal compact, 132; Imperialism, 133; Canada's relations with the Empire- divorce-Labour's legitimate claims, 134; proposed general election, 135 Budget, 2889. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-production and thrift- government extravagance-militarism, 2889; soldiers turning to occupations of peace-railway nationalization, 2890; Liberal fiscal policy-general election advocates, 2891
Exchequer Court Act Arndt. 2201-3 Hull and Montreal highway, 1113 Judges' salaries, 4339-40 Printing Bureau linotypes, ques. 670
Fort William elevator, 565, ques. 1358. See also Elevators
Forward Movement of Christian churches, 98
Foster, Mr. A. DeW'itt, ques., 1201
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George (Minister of Trade and Commerce and Acting Prime Minister February 26-May 12).
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 35. Congratulations to mover and seconder, 35; Opposition leader's criticism, 36; Franchise Bill-Grand Trunk agreement, 37; preparedness of sessional programme-government by Order in Council-absence of Prime Minister, 38;'Peace negotiations and treaty, Canadian Ministers needed in Europe, 39; Ministers of the Crown in the Senate-commissions, 40; cabinet responsibility, 41; proposed general election-the Government's work and record-prosecution of the war, 42; Civil Service reform-Health department-scientific research, 43; women's franchise - prohibition - shipbuild-
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George-Con.
Address-Con.
ing-cost of living, 44; production- War Purchasing Commission, 45; finance-returned soldiers, 46 Amnesty, general, to political prisoners, 1790 Archambault, Mr., questions by, 709 Armenians, 8*55
Auditor General's report, 2179, 4276 Bill (Mr. Stevens) proposed introduction, 1216
Board of Commerce Canners, 1046 Correspondence, 3426 Motion for papers, 2013, 3863 O'Connor, Mr., reported resignation of, 1685
Porter, Mr. Arthur, dismissal of, 568 Robson, Judge, resignation of, 114, 1900 Budget, date of, 1465, 2126, 2247, 2318 Budget, 2510. Debt, gross and net, 2511; economy of administration, 2512; Civil Service policy, 2513; no more loans at present, 2513; taxation to meet present needs, methods of taxation, 2514; forethought and afterthought, 2515; Bank of Montreal trading account, 2516; free trade or protection-Liberal party's policy, 2517 Business of the House Easter adjournment, 752 Empire Day adjournment, 2575 Late sittings, 1894 Legislation foreshadowed, 1789 Monday for Government business, 1464, 1573
Notices of motion standing, 1628, 2013 Order of, 2314
Wednesday evening sittings, 1044-5 Cabinet changes, 386, 447 Canada Grain Act, administration of, 1877, 3822-4
Canada Steamships Limited and Mr. D. B. Hanna, 1789
Canada Year Book, 1879 Canada's national status, 486 Canada's representative at Washington, 449, 1742, 2177, 2460
Canadian Wheat Board, 4323, 4098, 4110-1, 4341-58
Losses, possible, 4348, 4516 Magill, Dr., statement by, 4124-5, 4342-7 Telegram to Mr. Sifton, 4348 Canadians in Imperial Service, 85'T Civil Service classification, 675 Correspondence, motion for, 592 Copyright Bill, 752 Daylight saving, 1574
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East Elgin vacancy, 11, 1085 Economic conditions of the world-Peace Conference declaration, 1888 Estimates and their discussion, 4588-9 When to be brought down, 567 Explosive works at Beloeil, 2248 Extension of trade, 1880-6 Federal Bureau of Education, 1398 Flax bounty, 1886 Franchise Bill
Disqualification of candidates, 1089 Returning officers, 1531 Statement as to possible additions, 582 French speeches in House, translation of, 700
French treaty, 3425-26, 4274 Gisborne, Mr. F. H., K.C., Parliamentary Counsel, 4587
Grain Exchange, closing of, reimbursement of losses, 4516 Grand Trunk Railway, 11 Correspondence, 1228 Stock, 754
Hearst Publications, 1290 jHouse of Commons.
Acoustic properties of, 1418, 2126 Debates, Translation of French speeches, 4588, 700
Staff, 1037	.
Hudson Bay Railway, 2014 Hurons of Lorette, 2014 Imperial Conference, 114 Industrial legislation, 1790 Inquiry for returns, 857 International Financial Conference, 1465 Ireland, condition of, 856 Japanese occupation of Vladivostock, 1945 Jellicoe, Admiral, visit of, 11 Joint distribution office, 1037 League of Nations, 567 Armenian mandate, 1465 French occupation of German territory, 1046
Marshall, the late David, M.P., 10 Mennonites, 2127
Ministers and Grand Trunk stock, 590
Ministers' knowledge of their business, 527
Naval service, ministerial statement, 708
Newfoundland, 4276-81
Oral answers to questions, 1623
Parliament buildings, 2, 1418-20, 1432-3
Parliamentary librarian, 114
Partisanship, 485, 488
Peace, 230
Peace Treaty, 485
Pensions and Re-establishment Com. Resignation of:
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George-Con. Pensions and Re-establishment Com.

Con. Lang, Mr., 1085 Peck, Mr., 2081-2
Pensions, soldiers, taxation of, 1895 Prime Minister
Illness and absence of, 9, 114 Return of, 2126
Printing, Joint Committee on, 4321 Public accounts, 1838 Purchasing Board, 1467-70, 1474-9 Questions not answered, 949 Railways, freight to Canada from United States prepaid, 1893
Returned soldiers, 520. See also, under this title, Pensions; Soldiers Cash gratuities to, 1082-84 Life insurance, 522 Returns, delayed, 459 Russia, 4322
Saar Valley Commission, 344 St. Julien, battle of, 1357 St. Lawrence route, insurance, 4515 [DOT] San Remo Conference, 1465 Scientific Research, 617, 2176 Serbia, reported credit to, 567 Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment Dept., 520 Soldier Settlement, 521 Statistical Department, 1880, 3296 Steamship companies, supervision of, 2013 Steamship Services
Cape Breton; Lockeport-Froude's Point; Magdalen Islands; Newfoundland; New Zealand; St. Lawrence, etc.; St. John-Digby; South Africa, etc., 4276-87
Economies in, 4287, 4515 Steel and Shipping merger, 1895, 1955-6 Sugar
Embargo, 3226 Prices, 1896
Supply, Com., of, arrangements for, 1597 Interim vote, 755 Terminal elevators, 1878 Trade Commissioners, 1885-6 Universal military training, 948 Victory loan transactions, 2520 War indemnity, Canada's share, 1084 Washington, Canadian Minister at. See under this title Canada's representative at Washington
Water carriage of goods, 1216 West Indies, 1884, 2892-3, 3860 Foster, Mr. Thomas (East York)
Bell Telephone rates appeal, ques. 2009 " Excise and sales " tax, 3451 Returned soldier (amdt. Mr. Lemieux) 3452, 3455, 3458-9


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Exhibition buildings and militia, ques. 2009 Franchise Bill, 763 Grand Trunk Railway Head office, ques. 2008 Technical education, ques. 2519 Toronto
Grain elevators, ques. 1897 Harbour improvements, ques. 2181
Fournier, Mr. C. A. (Bellechasse)
Board of Commerce, 3227 Canadian National Railways, official cars, ques. 409
Cattle embargo, ques. 340 Electric power, export, ques. 1624 Food and Drugs Bill, 958, 977, 1260 Hides, exports to United States, ques. 313; ques. 343
Intercolonial Railway, pensions, ques. 313 St. Valier wharf, ques. 1231
France
Advances to, ques. 318
Occupation of German territory by, 1046
Franchise, 25, 28, 36, 37, 53, 114, 151, 155, 283 By-election lists, ques., 310. See also Dominion Franchise Bill
Franco-Canadian Customs Tariff Convention, ques. 3684
Franking Privilege. See Post Office Act Arndt. Bill
Fraser, Mr. Evan E. (Welland)
Judges' salaries, 4339	.
Fraudulent Naturalization Papers, ques. 4096
Freight Cars. See also Railways Grain and grain products in, ques. 1035
Freight Rates. See Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Railways; Railway Act Amdt.
French Language. See Language Questions
French Treaty, ques. 1788; 3425-6, 3684, 4274, ques. 4323
Fripp, Mr. A. E. (Ottawa)
Biggar, Mr. O. M., K.C., 4265-6 Canada Highways Act, ques. 802, ques. 1119
Choquette, Ex-Senator P. A., ques. 2572 Civil Service
Classification, M. for papers, 544, 556 Commission, staff, ques. 2414 Printing Bureau, ques. 320, 3742 Taxation of incomes, 579-80 Ottawa city, agreement with, 579
Fruit Packages. See Inspection and Sale
Fuel. See also Coal Price, 321
Fulton, Mr. Frederick J. (Cariboo)
British Columbia Indians, 953 Soldier Settlement, 1695 Cattle branding, 1699
Gambling. See Criminal Code
Game. See National Parks; Northwest Game Act
Gargoyles, 1433, 1493
Gas, taxation of, 3106
Gas and Electricity inspection, 1887	.
Gascons Wharf, ques. 411
Gaspesia. resources, attractions and need of railway extensions, 4213-7
Gauthier, Mr. L. J. (St. jHyacinthe-Rouville) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 61. Quebec badly treated, waiting for its hour-war and the constitution, 61; Liberals and Union Government policies, 62; public unrest- Prime Minister's health, 63; proposed election, 64; party system and government, 65
Budget, 2605. Tactics of United Farmers, 2605; Liberals and tariff-Wheat Board, 2606; the Government and its record-Canada's production, 2607; currency, credit and gold reserve- profiteers and prices, 2610 Privilege-Complaint of Treatment by civil servant, 4097
Gauvreau, Mr. Charles A. (TOmiscouata) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 209. French language-Hon. Mr. Chapais and conscription-Hon. Mr. Blondin, 209; Mr. DeCelles' retirement, Hon. Mr. Sevigny-Canadian National Railway shops at Rivifire du Loup-Quebec biding its time, 210 Arthur Young Co., ques. 1511, ques. 1740 Bank Act Amdt., inquiry, 1573 Business of the House-holiday adjournment moved without notice, unanimous consent denied, 2575 Canadian National Railways Engine repairs, ques. 3079 Cimon, Mr., collections by, ques. 1461 Civil Service, 670
DeCelles, Mr. A. D., 210, 2968; ques. 3489
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Budget-Con.
prices and protective duty, 2961; lumbering industry and housing problem, 2962; members of the House and special interests, 2964; wages in protected manufactures - proposed railway extension to coal area, 2966 Canadian Wheat Board, 4112-4 Civil Service bonus, 1287 Election for Assiniboia, 1 Franchise Bill
Contributions-Assiniboia expenses, 117284
Deposit, 1095
Recall, the, 1181, 2027-30, 2037 Returning officers, 1590-3 Grading export butter and cheese, 607 Grasshopper plague, ques. 706 Indemnity of members, 4449 Indians and wild game, 3280 Parliament Buildings, 1424 Portal immigration hall, ques. 674 Recall. See under this title, Franchise Seed Grain Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4000, 4015-6 Soldier Settlement Act Cattle branding, 1699 Increase in stock, 1702 Special War Revenue Airplanes, 3592 Caps, 3566
Trust and Doan Company of Canada, 586 Universal military training, 947 Government Annuities, 4528 Government Annuities Act Arndt Bill. Res.
402; lr„ 406; 2r„ com., 462; 3r„ 463 Government Ownership, 124. See also debates under Canadian National; Grand Trunk Ships, of, 627, 659. See also under Shipbuilding
Government Printing Bureau. See Printing Government Steamers. See also Vessels' Civil Service insurance for crews, 1779 Grain and Grain Trade. See also Agriculture; Canada Grain Act; Canadian Wheat Board; Commercial Feeding Stuffs; Seed Grain	,
Cereal shipments from Canada, ques. 1626 Dominion Seed Grain Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117 Elevators. See also that title Halifax, ques. 1116
Terminal, Port Arthur and Fort William, 565, ques. 1358 Toronto, ques. 1897
Grain and Grain Trade-Con.
Flour mills, small, ques. 799
Freight cars, ques. 1035
Grain Exchange, closing of, losses, 4516
Participation ' certificates, ques. 802
Wheat
Importation in 1912, ques. 590 Shipped by farmers to United States, ques. 80>2
Spirit River shipments, 566 Winnipeg Grain Exchange, 2005
Granby Public Building, 3149
Grand Etang, 2114, 3779-80
Grand Trunk Railway Company..
Administration of, 417®
Entrance to Montreal, ques. 413 Head office, ques. 2008 Dondon. Trafalgar Square office, 1251 Pensions-and Strike of 1910, 1122 Agreements and letter to Mr. Hays. 4508 Amdt (Mr. Mackenzie King) 1536; neg. 167'2
Shareholders, list of, 3426-7, 41258 Stocks, ques. 1361-2, ques. 590, 753 Subsidiary companies, ques. 996
Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition, 11
Arbitrators, 1047, 3860 Taft, Mr., ex-President, 3490 Budget, statement by Minister of Finance, 2484
Correspondence, 1228, 1235 Doan, 4579
Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill, lr.,
1113; 2r„ 1235; 1291; 1311; Com. 1311, 1315, 1435, 1486, 1536; 3r„ 1572
Grasshopper Plague, 128, ques. 705, 2375
Gratuities to Soldiers
Statement by acting Prime Minister, 1082. See also Pensions
Great War Veterans Association, 3669 Soldier Settlement and, 2142
Greece
Advance to, ques. 318 Roumania, and,
Doans, ques. 3488 Purchases by, ques. 2414 Wheat shipments to, ques. 415, ques. 509
Grenfell, Dr., and fishermen, 2266
Grey, Earl, farewell message, 18
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Franchise Bill-Con.
Interpretation-Con.
Opposition, attitude of, 725 "During an election," 198'6-7 "Election officer," 1987-8 "Election Papers," 1988 "Electors," 1917
"Hours of the day"-"Standard time'' 1988-9, 1944 "List of voters," 1989 "Members,", 1989 "Personal expenses," 1991 "Rural polling division," 1992-3 "Urban polling division," 1991 Liquor on polling day, 1108-9 Misfeasance, etc.,-penalty, 1074-5 Names not on list, 1926, 4272 Oaths, 3877-8
Naturalization-amdt (Mr. Euler) to 3r., 4369
Nomination, 1916 Candidates, of, 1090-6 Place of, 1092-3 Postponement of, 1096 Non-electors and non-residents canvassing, 784-6
Notices, 777-8, 1169 Oaths, 779-81, 1166 Elector, by, 1102 Ontario voters' list, 3880-98 Amdt proposed, 3896; agreed to, 3898 Paid propaganda, publicity of, Amdt.
(Mr. McMaster) to 3r., 4375 Pass on railway, 1065 Payment of voters' expenses, 1064-5 Peace and good order, 1105-8 Poll books, etc., to returning officer, 1078-S0
Polling divisions, 1516-20, 1996 Polling stations, additional, 1826-7 Polls
.Hours to be open, 1920-6 AVhen to be held, 1101-2 Population and status of place, 2320 Printer's pame, 779 Proclamation
Language of publication, 1837, 1918, 2268-73, 2291-2, 2301 Mailed to postmaster, 1080-2 Notices, etc., 2319
Provincial lists, amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4364. See also under this title Voters' Lists Qualification of electors, 4271 Aliens-certificate, 2059, 2076, 2085-8, 2092, 2099-2103, 4271 See also under this title Aliens, Naturalization
Guthrie, Hon. Hugh-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Qualification of electors-Con.
Indians, 2055-7 Naturalization, 4271 Recall, the, 2044 Recount by Judge, 1110 "Registrar" and "Enumerator," 1096-7 Registrars, 3S99 Duties of, 3909-10 Rural, attendance of, 3908 Regi stration-in terrogatori es, 1167 Voters, of, 4272 Removing notices, 779 Repeal, 776 Returning officers
Amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 1574-6 Further duties of, 1096 Ineligible parties, 1073-4 Poll books, etc., to be sent to, 1828 Public officials, 1791-2, 1809-10 Schedules, 1166-9 Standard Time, 1988
Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9, 1198
Translation into French, 779 Voters' lists, 2319
Addition and elimination of names, 3909-13
Copies, securing of, 2319-20 Married woman's name, 1827-8 New-when unnecessary, 1825-6, 1997, 4272
Possible delay in printing, 3902 Preparation of, 3878-99, 4271 Provincial, 2417-23, 2430-4, 2438-41 Amdt. (Mr. Ross) 2324,	2329-30,
2333-4, 2345-66
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4364 Voting
Language of voter, 1997 Manner of, 1103-5
Notwithstanding disqualification, 1825 On certificate, 1098-1101 Women voters, Quebec, in, 2419 Writ of election, 1166 Writ, nomination, election-delay, 1092 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3654-74 Air Service, 4553 Annual drill, 3676-81 Cadet service, 3702-4, 3714 Civil pensions, 4553-5 Contingencies, 3714-6 Customs dues, 3716 Demobilization, 4549 Dominion arsenals, 3717-25 Engineer services and works, 3723-5
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Dorval, 3731
Toronto, 3729-31	_
Ministerial statement and summary, 3636-45. Estimates compared by branches with former years, 3636; increase due to higher prices, 3638; permanent force and slowness of recruiting, 3639; returned officers, 3641; volunteer militia, 3642; barracks, rifle ranges, 3643; unity of directing organization, 3644
Ordnance, arms, lands, etc., 3727-32 Permanent force, 4548 Staff, 4548-55 Warlike Stores, 4549 Militia Pension Act, 4020-1 Quebec's ancient fortifications, 424 Returned Soldiers' buttons, unauthorized wearing of, 4020
Guysborough Harbour, 2124
Habeas Corpus
Labrie case, 3227, 3295, 3558, 3840 M. for papers, 2014
Halbert, Mr. Robert H. (North Ontario) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 282. Parliament Building- Farmers' movement not a class movement, 282; popular unrest and its cure, ft 283; proposed general election-Franchise Act, 283; A United Canada, 284 Budget, 2941. Reply to Mr. Cockshutt, 2941; inheritance and income taxes, 2942; farmers' deputation on conscription-a former Conservative - the farmers and public affairs, 2943; public problems the concern of the ordinary citizen-economic as well as political deniocraey, 2944; public and press, 2945; profits system should function naturally-food production hampered-decrease of farm population, 2945; drawbacks to manufacturers-tariff tax on the coffin, 2946 Election for North Ontario, 1 Foster, Mr. A. DeWitt, ques. 1201 Franchise Bill Contributions, 1191 Oath by elector, 1102 Recall, the, 2025
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Grain elevator, ques. 1116
Marine agency-telephone, 2110 Halifax and Southwestern Railway, 3085 Halladay, Mr. H. H. (Bow River)
Alien immigrants, 820 Franchise Bill
Polling division, 1518-9 Income tax, charities, 3314 New party movement, 126 Soldier Settlement, 1701 Hanna, Mr. D. B., 622, 642, 1679, 4183. See also Canadian National Railway Canada Steamships Company, and, 1742, 1789
Suit against Mr. Cahill, M.P., 2.379 Hanna, town, 2379
Hansard. See House of Commons, Debates Harbours.. See their titles ,
Harold, Mr. John (Brant)
Food and Drugs Bill, 971 Indians and Franchise, 2056-7, 4035 Purchasing Board, 1485 Special War Revenue Binder twine, 3610, 3623 Furs, 3569, 3791-2 Jewellery, 3579-80, 3584 Underwear, 3567
Harris, Mr. Lloyd, 1948
Harrison, Mr. Charles R. (Nipissing)
Budget, 3041. Iron and steel industry, bounties - French River waterway, 3041; Northern Ontario-Timiskaming by-election - Labour and One Big Union-class warfare denounced, 3043; Mr. G. B. Nicholson and organized labour, 3043 Eight-hour day, 382 Franchise Bill
Interpretation, 1991 Polls, hours to be open, 1921 Grand Trunk strike of 1910, and pensions, 1129
North Bay shore protection, 3160
Hartney, Mr. E. P., 4566
Hay, Mr. Thomas (Selkirk)
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Hearst Publications,. 142, ques. 993, 1290
Hearst, Sir William, 3986
Hebertville-St. Joseph D'Alma mail, ques. 1000
Henders, Mr. Richard C. (Macdonald)
Alien immigrants, S35
Budget, 3015. Congratulation to former and present Ministers of Finance - direct taxation approved, 3016; income tax-removal of customs super-tax-postponement of tariff inquiry, 3017; personal position on the tariff, and on proposed taxes, 3019; party records on tariff compared, 3020 Canadian Wheat Board, 4351 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3408 Franchise Bill
Polls, hours to be open, 1923 Voters' lists, 2438 Opium and Drug Bill, 1645 Rural mail, 4529 Special War Revenue Caps, 3566
Henderson, Mrs. Rose, 2807, 2898, 3039
Hennick, Mr. Daniel D., patents of, ques. 1510
Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2375-6, 2382, 2402
Hickey's Wharf, ques. 706
Hides, exports to United States, ques. 313, ques. 343
High Cost of Living, 68, 72, 78. See also Ardress; Board of Commerce; Budget; Popular unrest; Prices of necessaries, (Mr. Burnham) 321
Highways.. See Canada Highways
Hindus, soldiers. Sec Dominion Franchise
Hinton, Mr. W. P., 1311
Hocken, Mr. H. C. (Toronto West)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 284. Controversy between Mr. Rowell and Mr. Murphy, 284; French language in schools, position of Orange order, 285; opinion of Senator Bei-court, 286; French Canadian aims and ambitions, 287; clerical influence - Senator David's book, 288; Quebec's local autonomy, 289; French Canadians
Hocken, Mr. H. C.-Con.
Address-Con.
and the war-Orange order's war record, 290; Orangemen and political party; Orangeism a bulwark of the constitution, 291; Orange Sentinel, 292 Alien immigrants, and Canadian citizenship, 821
Budget, 2659. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2660; new taxes and the masses, 2660; personal views on tariff changed by conditions - protective tariff necessary, 2661; development of rsources-economy through reducing number of civil servants, 2662; promoting efficiency in Civil Service, 2663; Canadian Wheat Board, 4113 Civil Service
Commission, employees, ques. 1121 Customs, employees, 317 House of Commons, employees, 1043 Inside, ques. 510 Dager, Herman, J., ques. 2182 Divorce Bills, remission of charges, 4321 Electoral atlas, ques. 317 Empire day adjournment, 2575 Franchise Bill
Polls, hours to be open, 1921-2, 1925 Proclamation, language of publication, 2296-9, 2301-2 Recall, the, 2036-8, 2042-3 Judges' salaries, 4338 Personal position as member, 2043 War profits in Britain, 2631-2
Hogs, raising of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Homesteading. See Dominion Lands Act
Honey Adulteration Bill, lr., 582; 2r., com., 3r., 798; Senate amdts., 2314, 2412
Horseracing,
Dr. Rutherford's report, 540 Race tracks and betting, 3415, 3427
Horses
Carload rates on, ques. 2010
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3204
Hospitals
Alcohol tax and, 3495 Ste. Anne de Bellevue, ques. 1115 Ships. See Canada Shipping Act (Sick and Distressed Mariners)
Houle, Mr. Joseph, ques. 2313
House of Commons. See also Deputy Speaker; Speaker Adjournment, decorum at, 1838
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Edwards, Mr., report in Ottawa Journal and Montreal Gazette, 4503 Fielding, Mr., press report, 4171 Gauthier, Mr.-complaint of treattnent by civil servant, 4097 Lavigueur, Mr.-Judge Lennox on nonEnglish speaking witness, 1231 Kay, Mr., reference to by Ottawa Citizen as member for " Mississippi," 2016 Mackie, Mr. H. A., comment on absence from House, 2968-9 Questions, inquiry as to, 949, 2126 Questions passed as orders for returns, status of, 1743
Quorum, attendance of members, 964 Report not printed as ordered, 2016 Returns, asked for, 459, 618, 857, 4258 Senate and,
Joint Committee on unification of certain branches, 402 Joint distribution office, 1536 Sittings, duration of, 1838, 1893, 4432 Morning and Saturday, 272.3, 2778, 3684 Two o'clock, 3080
Speaker's Chair, offer of from British Parliament, 31224 Staff
Bonus, 3228 Committees, 104'2, 4547 Journals, 1038 Law Branch, 1038
Members' stenographers, ques. 2311 Organization and classification of, ques. 590, 753, 858, 919, 949, 1037, 3092, 4172, 4414, 4459, 4504, 4563 Parliamentary Counsel, 339 Sergeant-at-Arms Department, 3094 Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms, 9 Translators, 55.2, 2093
Supply, Com. of-Friday rule-statement of Minister permitted by consent, 2366 Unauthorized distribution of documents in house, 1743, 1841 Vacancies, 160
Elgin, East, 1, 11, 10S5 Kamouraska, 1 St. James, 1
House of Commons Act Arndt.. See Salaries Act
Housing, 3543 Adams, Mr., 3551-2 Demobilization and, 3543 Dominion-provinces agreement, 3548 Farmers and, 3546 Houses built, 3545-7 Programme, ques. 707
Hudson Bay Railway, ques. 806, 867, 2752, 4231, 4243
Manitoba land, ques. 1897 Res. (Mr. Campbell) 2014
Hughes, Lt.-Gen. Sir Sam (Victoria, Ont.) Baker; late Lieut. Col., memorial to, 2776,
Bolshevism, 3649 Canadian Wheat Board, 4123 Chauveau, Col., and Pinze, Col., 3666 Civil Service Holidays, 4262
Retirement of members, 4066-9 Currie, Col. John A., M.P., 3655 Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3648, 3655 Borval military property, 3731 Franchise Bill Provincial lists, 3S97 Registrars and enumerators, 3907 Fuel Supply, 3181
Special powers for Railway Commission, 4326-30
Indemnity of members, 4079 Militarism, 3649 Military training, 3704, 3709 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3658, 3674 Annual drill, 3678 Barracks, 3648 Cadet service, 3704, 3709 Ministerial statement of Mr. Guthrie, 3648
Officers reverting to rank, 3681 Rifle ranges, 3649-54 Toronto property, 3729-31 Royal Canadian Mpunted Police, 4021 Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3491
Hull and Montreal Highway, 1113
Hungary, 1059-60, 3983-4
Hunt, Mr. A. B. (Compton)'
Military districts in Quebec, ques. 1035
Huron. See Indians
Hydro-Electric and Ontario Radial Railways, 3113-4, 4172
Ice-Breakers, 1598-1612, 2103-7 "J. D. Hazen," 1599, 1602 "Montcalm," 1606-7. 2112 St. Lawrence, ques., 317 New vessel for, 1620-1 Uniforms for men, 1603-4 Fair wage contracts, 160S-9
lie D'Orleans and St. Lawrence River Navigation, 3295
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international Fisheries Commission, ques. 311
International Institute of Agriculture, 2411
international Joint Commission, 3986
St. Lawrence river development, ques. 1120, ques. 1230
International Labour Conference, 798, ques. 803, 1790
Canadian representative at, 3359
International Parliamentary Conference on Commerce, ques. 2721
International Waterways, 3985. See also International Joint Commission
Internment, 4516
Inverness Railway and Coal Company, ques. 319, 2380, 4236-49
Ireland, condition of, 856
Iron and Steel Industry, 21
'Irrigation Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 3358; 2r., com., 3694; 3r„ 3702
Isle Madame, fishery officers, ques. 3294
Italy, advances to, ques. 318
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel W. (George Etienne Cartier)
Bankruptcy Bill, 920, 3260-5 Board of Commerce
Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4489-99 Robson, Judge, correspondence, 3769 Budget, 3027. Shipbuilding-advances to Roumariia and other countries 3027; Mr. M. Clark and Mr. Fielding, references to Jews-advances unaccounted for, 3028; Canadian Northern Railway and Montreal Tunnel Co., 3029; immigration, 3030; excess profits tax, 3031; promises of members of Union Government as to continuance for war only, 3031; beer tax-East Elgin vacancy, 3032; Mr. Rowell's address, 3033
Business profits war tax, 3111-7 Canadian National Pictorial, 4544 Canadian National Railways Montreal-Ottawa, 4190 Civil Service
Employees . on public works, 3134-5 Retirement of members, 4065-6 Criminal Code Arndt. (French version) 3083
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel-Con.
Export regulations, 3622-3 Food and Drugs Bill, 978-9, 1264-5 Franchise Bill, 768
Aliens-certificate, 2069, 2076-8, 2097 Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1514 Chief Electoral Officer, 1070, 1512-3 Conveying voters, 1062 Disqualification of' candidates, 1087 "Ecclesiastics," 1070, 1075-7 Election officers, parties disqualified, 1075-8
False statement made to affect election, 1065-6
Indians, 2055 Naturalization
Arndt. (Mr. Euler) to 3r., 4370 Proclamation, language of publication, 2306
Returning officers, 1533-4 Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9, 1198
Grand Trunk Railway, 1488-91 Branch lines, 1314 Income tax
Distraint of goods, 3303-4 Not a joke, 3119
Indians, Christian missions amongst, 3268 Internment cases, 4517 Japanese occupation of Vladivostok, 1945 Naturalization, British Government, representations by, 3917
Peace treaty, United States Senate reservations, 1060 Purchasing Board, 1480 Schelking, Baron, ques. 361S Shipbuilding
Contracts, 908, 919 Returned men employed, 909 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4145-8 Special War Revenue Beer, 3605 Firearms, 3595 Overcoats, 3586 Stock transfers, 36,26 Steel and shipping merger, 1967 Supreme Court Act Amdt., 2318 Typhus epidemic, 4545
Vessel rates-letter from Montreal Corn Exchange, 1727
Japan, 3670-1
Japanese
Canada, in ques. 805 Fisheries, 844
Occupation of Vladivostok, 1945
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Parliament Building, 1426-7 Shipbuilding, 664
Vessel rates, proposed regulation, 17.30
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie (Prince, P.E.I.) See also Leader of the Opposition. Address in' reply to *^Governor General's Speech, 23. Mover and seconder-external affairs dwelt upon in Speech from the Throne, 23; Grand Trunk agreement, absence of documents- Opium Convention, food not drugs, 24; Parliamentary government, extension of term of Parliament, 25; Franchise Act, 26; War-time Elections Act, 27; Proposed new Franchise Act-vacancies, 28; Parliament a deliberative assembly-voting of supply, 30; government by Order in Council-Prime Minister's absence, 31; Cabinet changes-commissions and government, 32; cabinet representation and responsibility, 33; need of post-war policy, 34; amdt. in favour of early general election, 35; (neg., 303)
Air Service, 4554-6 Auditor General's report, 458 Bill not distributed-objection to proceeding with, 1057 Board of Commerce
Murdock, Mr., resignation of, 4170-77, 4466, 4460, 4499
O'Connor, Mr., resignation of, 3685
Robson, Judge, resignation of, 4258 British Columbia Indians, 792-3, 950 Budget, inquiry as to, 1465, 2126, 2247 Budget, 2969. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2969; no further loans- direct taxes,	approved-economy,
2970; Government's promise for period of the war-general election proposed, 2971; war-time spirit and extravagance-advances unaccounted for- contracts without tender, 2972; supervision of Parliament-loans to foreign countries - unnecessary appropriations, 2973; a profiteer's Budget-income tax delinquents-tax on war profits, 2974; war-wealth taxes in Britain, 2975; the community's share in production of wealth-high cost of living, 2977; industry and taxation-taxes on capital, 2979; manufacturers and freedom of production-basic industries, 2980; urban 4nd rural populations, 2981; Liberal platform on agricultural production, 2982; jHealth Department and tuberculosis, 2983; child life and welfare-National policy.
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie-Con.
Budget-Con.
2984; St. John harbour and its trade, 2985; cargoes in as well as cargoes out-all classes to be considered in arranging taxation, 2987; Britain's industries and tariff policy, 2987; England and Germany-Supreme Council of Peace Conference, declaration, 2988; Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2989; Government's promise of tariff revision, 2990; Liberal tariff platform and Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2991; Liberal party's fiscal policy-British preference, 2993; Sir Wilfrid Laurier and the Fielding tariff, 2994; common ground for Liberals, Farmers and Labour-need of unity on the part of those who think alike, 2995; two wings of the Government forces, 2996 Business of the House
Complaint of delay, 2778, 3506, 4102, 4274, 4314, 4547, 4586. See also under this head, Interim Supply Bill Defective legislation

complaint of, 2779, 3147
Hasty legislation, 2779 Legislation pending, 1789, 2723, 2779 . Long sittings, 1893, 4432
Morning and Saturday sittings, 2778, 3684
Wednesday evening sittings, 1044-5 Canada's national status, 464
Constitution, power to amend, 468 Parliament, authority of, 468, 474 Sir Wilfrid Laurier and Sir Robert Borden, 472
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Business statement, 950 "Canadian Inventor", steamer, 3226, 3359 Canadian National Railways Grand Trunk loans, 881 Withholding of information, 1656, 1Q69-70 Canadian Wheat Board, 4102 Cash gratuities to returned soldiers, 1083 Civil Service
Canadian National Railways employees, and, 3140
Classification, 3142-4, 3769, 3985, 4547 Insurance, 1055-6, 1779-80 Retirement of members of, 3836-9, 4063-8, 4461-2
Taxation of salaries, 579-80 Civil Service Bill-Senate amdts., 4059 Coal Operations Director, 3186-91 Jurisdiction, 3691
Orders in Council, ratification of, 3185, 3360-75
Cold storage and fox farming, 2407-9
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House of Commons Staff, 3099	.
Housing, 3>543-8	*
Expenditure for, 3543-4 Houses constructed-rural and urban areas, 3546
Icebreaker and car ferry, 1601, 1621
Uniforms of men on- contracts, fair wages, 1604-8
Income tax delinquents, 3119 Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4075, 4431 Indian Act Arndt. 4029-39 M. six months' hoist, 4179 Industrial Disputes Investigation, 1900-15, 1971-4, 1977-85, 2190-7, 2248-9 Interim Supply Bill
Opposition's intention as to advances in future, 3215-7 Irrigation, 3700-2
Jellicoe, Admiral Lord, visit of and report, 11, 344 India, 1290
New Zealand and Australia, 1159 Kamouraska, by-elections, 94S Labour Dept, estimates, 3821, 4512. See also under this title, Eight-hour day Labour, Minister of, 4512 League of Nations, 464
Ames, Sir Herbert, statement by, 3971
Canada's status, 360-7
Labour
Canada's status in relation to, 356 * International Labour office, 355-7 Liberal Party's tariff policy, 21537	[DOT]
Little Sands, 4580 Magdalen Islands, 1601 Maple products, 797, 1254 Marshall, the late David, M.P., 10 Militia, 3710
Active militia-allowances, 3'657-8 Annual drill, 3674-5 Cadet service, 3702 Contingencies, 3715-6 Dominion arsenals, 3720 Arndt, to reduce vote, 3721-2, neg. 3722-3 _
Military properties, maintenance, 3726 Ordnance land, 3728 Permanent force Barracks, 4570 M. to reduce vote, 4548-9 Reply to Ministerial statement by Mr. Guthrie, 3645 Narrows, the, 3159 Naval Service '
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4408-9
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie-Con.
Naval Service-Con.
Additional appropriation-Con.
M. to strike out, 4313-6 After-war conditions, 3511 Correspondence and negotiations, 4408, 4503 Dept
Estimates, consideration of-agreement as to debate, 4409 Debate should be deferred until Sup-plementaries, 3520 Increase of, 3506-8, 3512-31 Halifax and Esquimau, 4390 Policy of government, 707 Pre-war lines, 3511 Submarines, acceptance of, 3512-3 Opium and Drug Bill, 1640-8 Control-statement of historical development, 559, 1761
Habit forming drugs, use of, 662 Orders in Council
Coal Operation® Director, 3185, 3360 Ottawa city, agreement with, 579, 988-92, 1047
Parliament, two sessions in one year, 4457 Parliament buildings, 4 Peace treaty
Bulgaria, with,V464, 1057-60 Hungary and Turkey, 3983-4 Parliament, authority of, 3984 Pensions and Re-establishment, Com. recommendations, special facilities for legislation founded on, 3957 Petroleum and naphtha inspection, 1916 Prime Minister,
Absence of, 138
Health of, denial of statement by Mr. A.
Thompson, 80 Return of, 2126, 2454 Prince Edward Island Car ferry, 2103-4, 1601, 1621 Railway, 891-2
Purchasing Commissioner, 1469-70, 1477, 1483, 4580-1
Resignations of cabinet ministers, 386 Royal Canadian Mounted Police Barracks, 4572	'
M. to reduce vote, 4574 Change of name of Force, 398 Expenses, 31203-8 Provincial authorities, and, 3196 Royal military college, 315.2-3 St. Julien, battle of, 1357 Scientific Research, 2174 Services during the war-personal statement, 1405
Session of Parliament,
Progress of, 2779
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Cash gratuities, 1083
Great War Veterans' Association charges, 3223 . Settlement, 1684 Speaker's Chair, 3225 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill " Excise and Sales " tax, 3318-23 Licenses, 3607 Stock in trade, 3604 Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3492 Statistics, including census, 1880 Steel and Shipping merger, 1959-60 Supplementary estimates, inquiry as to, Supply and Budget, 918 Civil Government, 859 Com. of, arrangements for, 1597, 1615 Interim vote, 754-5	[DOT]
Technical education, 1762 Timiskaming election, 1995 Trade Commissions, 1885-6 War memorial, 3228
Washington, Canadian representative at, 448, 2178, 2454-63, 4540-3 Amdt. to reduce vote, 4540
King's Bench, Court of, jurisdiction, 3295-6 Kingsmill, Admiral Sir Charles, 707 Kingston By-election, 459 Harbour improvements, 458 Income tax inspector, ques. 2181 Kingsville public building, 3153 Kinmel Camp, 709
Knox, Mr. Andrew (Prince Albert)
Budget, 3051. Increase revenues by lowering the tariff-farmers and packers, 3051 ; critics of Progressive party-attacks on Mr. Crerar-Canada should have greater population-immigration policy, 3053
Canadian National Railways, western extensions, 3388
Road and structural material, 3808 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3201 Stock-raising-sunflower ensilage, 2388
Kouchibouguac, 4578
Labour. See also International Labour Conference; League of Nations; Eight-hour day; Grand Trunk; Industrial Disputes; Bulgarian Treaty
Labour-Con.
Capital and, 16, 22 Employment offices, 4512-3 International Labour Conference, 3359 Joint industrial councils, 4512 National industrial conference, 4512 Washington Conference, 371
Labrie Brothers. See Habeas Corpus
Lachine Canal, work on, 3423, 3561 Bridge, 3778, 4236
Lafortune, Mr. David A. (Jacques Cartier) Indemnity of members, 3228 Lachine canal bridge, 3778, 4236 St. Anne bridge, 3775
Lake of the Woods, 3985
Lalor, Mr. Francis R. (JIaldimand)
Luxury taxes in United States, 2528-9 Oleomargarine, 1782-4 Special W*ar Revenue Automobiles, 3598 Bank overdrafts, 3798-3800 Jewellery, 3583 Sales tax, 3609-17 Silk goods, 3573	[DOT]
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Laprairie and Napierville)
Budget, 2766. Balance sheet, items entered as assets, 2766; Canadian National Railways, deficit - prosperity and prices, 2767; expenditure criticised, 2768; war and conscription, 2769; burden of taxation-low revenue tariff favoured, 2770; war profiteers, 2771 Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4444, 4450-5 Amdt. in Com. negatived, 4457-8 Judges' salaries, 4417-25, 4333 2r. of Bill objected to, 4341 Militia, 3650 Potato bag, 4562
Land Surveyors, ques. 1115, ques. 2006
Land Tax. See Taxation
Lands. See Dominion Lands; Indians Canadian Northern, in Quebec, ques. 1626, ques. 2008
West, in, ques. 1118
Langton, Brig.-Gen. J. G., ques. 541, ques. 811
Language Questions, 87, 110, 209. See also Dominion Franchise; Education, Criminal Code Amdt. (French Version)
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Election proclamation, 1828. See also this title under Dominion Franchise Farmers' Account Book, ques. 315 House of Commons, in, 697, 1039, 4587 Income tax forms, 10S4, 1573 Dennox Mr. Justice and non-English speaking witness, 1231 Pensions report, 2016 Publications in French, ques. 541 Replies in English to letters in French, 1045	,
Schools, in, 285
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest (Quebec East)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 264. Proposed general election, 264: by-elections, 265; Union Government and public opinion, 266; mandate of Parliament, 268; cleavage between progress and reaction, 269; illness of Prime Minister, 270; Unionist party differences-Liberal party's attitude, 271; Franchise Act and redistribution, 272; Imperial Conference, 273 Air Service, 4555-6 British Columbia Indians, 793-5 Budget Speech, inquiry for copies of, 2636 Business Profits war tax, 3113 Public utilities, 3229-941 Civil Service classification, B55-6 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3370 Easter adjournment, 752 Electricity, competition and taxation, 3113-7
European distress, 4546 Exchequer Court, 2201-3 Federal Bureau of Education, 1383, 1401 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1163 Aliens-certificate, 2062-3, 2100-1, 221921
Assistant Chief Electoral officer, 1513
Canada Temperance Act, 2053-4
Chief Electoral officer, 4266-7
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1072-3
Contributions, 782-3
Debate on, arrangements for, 1837
Disqualification
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1813-4 Indians, 2055
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Interpretation-"Standard time," 1989 Polling divisions, 1518-21 Recall, the, 2036
Returning officers - public officials, Voters' lists, 2418-30
Married Women's names, 1827, 2418-22
Gaspesia-railway extensions-memorial of Quebec Board of Trade, 4216-7 House of Comnjons Notices of motion, 1628 Saturday and morning sittings, 2782 Staff, 4414, 4563
French translators, 1043 Journals, 1039 Immigration Act, 3426 Imperial Conference, 114 Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4437 Income tax, 3242 Newspaper report, 4172 Indian Act Arndt. Bill, 4137, 4173-7 Industrial legislation, 1790 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1232 Militia, 3670
Annual drill, 3677
Moving pictures-Canadian National pictorial, 4544
National Transcontinental1 Railway, reh-tals, ques. 1461
Naval Service-additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4317-9 Parliament Building, 1424 Prime Minister's return, 2126 Quebec riots of 1918, 1209 Resignation for Kamouraska, 1 St. James by-election, 787 Soldier settlement, 1685 Special1 War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill- Quebec Board of trade and, 3457 Vessel rates, proposed regulation of, 1734 Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2449 Winnipeg strikers, ques. 2181
Lapointe, Mr. L. A., M. P., death of, 1 Last Mountain River, Dam, 3788-9
Lavigueur, Mr. Henri E. (Quebec County) Fiset, Dr., Michel, ques. 317, 4530 Income tax, exemptions on account of children, 3298 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1231 Militia, 3678
Orleans Island, public works, ques. 810 Parcel post supervisor, 4530 Parliament buildings, 1429 Pilotage, 1839
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Quebec riots of 1918, 1212 St. Jean wharf, ques. 317 St. Lawrence navigation, 3295 Ste. Famille wharf, ques. 317, ques. 810 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill - Musical instruments, 3628-9 Telephone contracts, ques. 1627
Leader of the Opposition
Speech on Address commended, 45 War the, and, 222, 1405
League of Nations, 8, 12, 161, 2i46, 4320.
See also Peace Treaty; Washington. Ames, Sir Herbert, Financial Director of Secretariat, general statement by, 3961 Armenia, 855, 1465, 3979 Belgium, 3978 Brazil, 3978
Canada and the United States, 500 Canada's contribution to defray expenses, ques. 316, ques. 410, ques. 589, ques. 618, 3981, 4544
Canada's status under, 144, 214, 567. See also Canada's status
Canadian interests and representation, 567, 3982
Commercial treaties, 3973 Council of Nine, 3974 Disarmament, 3976 Eight-hour day, 449 Enforcement of decisions, 3975 German territory, occupation by France, 1046
Great Powers If they withdrew, 3973 Those not now members, 3983 Greece, 3978 India, 361
Labour-Washington	Conference, decisions, 371
Lenroot reservations, 496
Military contribution, 492, 502
Next assembly, 3977
Peace, 938
Persia, 3968, 3975
Public and private sessions, 3973
Russia, Poland, Ukrainia, 3968, 3978
Saar Basin, 3963, 3974
Secret treaties, 3973
Self-determination, 3978
Spain, 3978
Typhus epidemic, 4545 United States
Failure of to join, ques. 1118 Representation of, 3977
Leduc, Mr. J. Alfred (Westmount-St. Henry) Butter prices, ques. 807 Grand Trunk entrance to Montreal, ques.
.	413
Hoarding foodstuffs, ques. 807	/
Lachine canal work, 3423, 3561 St. Pierre river floods, ques. 1115, ques. 4019	'
Westmount-St. Henri gatekeepers, ques. 998
Leger, Mr. Auguste T. (Kent, N.B.)
C. G. S. " Simcoe," ques. 413 Dredging, New Brunswick, 3781 Franchise Bill
Election expenses, 1932 Peace and good order, 1106 Polls, hours to be open, 1920-1 . Proclamation-two languages, 1081, 1828-32, 2270-3 Returning officers, 1575 Voters' lists, provincial, 2332 Grand Trunk Railway, 1500-2 Inquiry for papers, 3769 Lightkeepers' remuneration, 1281, 2110 Milk tests, 2406 Oleomargarine, 1873 St. John armoury, ques. 994 Telegraphs and Telephones, 4576
Legislation. Royal Commission on, ques. 4502
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Maisonneuve) (GaspO)
Administration of Justice
Labrie Brothers, case of, 3227, 3295, 3558-60. 3840 Bankruptcy Bill, 3256-63 Board of Commerce
Chairman, resignation of, 3863 Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4486-96 British mails, 4531
Budget, 2786. The new taxes, 2787; economy needed-naval expenditure rumours, 2788; British safety valves- Mr. Asquith and Mr. Lloyd George, 2789; The Onlooker and leading members of the Government, 2790; repressive measures criticized, 2791; Liberal party and tariff, 2792; Mr. M. Clark and the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 2794; party government-national unity, 2795
Buffalo herd, 3283
Canadian National Railways and Gaspesla, 4213-6
Caughnawaga, 3266
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Civil Service
Reorganization, ques. 3861 Griffenhagen and Associates, 3863, 4521-2, 3491 (Holidays, 4261
Coal operations director, 3175 Coal Supply-M. to adjourn to discuss, 3686-8
Colonial Investment and Loan, 3859 Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) 3082 Customs
Appointments, etc., 3858-9 Forms, in French, 3859 DeCelles, Mr. 2968 Divorce Bills, charges, 4321, 4413 Dominion arsenals, 3717-20 Dorval military property, 3731 Dry docks, 4567-74
Editorial Board, 4559. See also, under this title Printing European distress, 4546 Fish inspection, 4586 Franchise Bill Aliens-certificate, 2223-4 Proclamation, language of publication, 1832, 2299-2302
Returning officers-public officials, 17991801
French treaty, 3425, ques. 3684, 4274, ques. 4323
Goods arrived-date of delivery, 4505 Fuel Supply-special powers for Railway Commission, 4325-30. See also under this title, Coal
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition-arbitration, ex-President Taft, 3490 Habeas Corpus. See, under this title, Administration
Hartney, Mr. E. P„ 4566 House of Commons
Attendance of members, 4458 Staff-classification and organization, 4563-4
Income tax, 3237
Advertisements, 3240
Exemptions on account of children, 3298 Indemnity of members, 3310-1 Indemnities of members and salaries of ministers, 4442, 4458 Indian Act Amdt., 4137 Industrial Disputes, 2193-9 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4422 Labrie Brothers. See under this title, Administration
Magdalen Islands, 4282-4 Relief ships to, 1742
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe-Con.
Mail service, increase in, 4526 Military Service branch, 4517 Naval Service, 3513
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4309
Navigation, Pictou-Baie de Chaleur-St.
Lawrence, 2186-9, 3492-3 Newspaper postage rates, 3349 Zone system. 3351 Nile Voyageurs, 3857 Northern Canada, resources, 3283-4 Peace Conference Labour Bureau, 4507 Pecuniary Claims Convention, 3857-8 Penitentiary Act Amdt., 3410 Permanent force, commissions to N.C.O's, ques. 3619
Point of order-relevancy, 3743 Post Office
Department, 3735-43	.
Estimates, 4521-2 Reorganization, 3739 Rural mail carriers, 4522 Post Office and Customs Departments Rumoured investigation of, 3491	'
Printing, Joint Com. on, 4257, 4322, 4505 Purchasing Commission, 4581 Quebec-Gaspg service, 4282 Reindeer herds, 3284 Returned soldiers' needs, 3212 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3197, 3206 St. John harbour, 3492-3, 4567-74 Shipping federation, 2266 Sick and distressed mariners, 2260-2 Special War Revenue, 3444 Chewing gum, 3594
Returned soldiers, exemption of, Amdt. proposed, 3446-7
Supply, Com. of, Saturday, order for, 3840 Tobacco, 3819
Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2464 Correspondence, 3080-1 West Indies, 2892-3, 3161
Lennox, Mr. Justice, alleged statement by, 1232
Lesage, Mr. J. E. (Hochelaga)
Proprietary Medicines, ques. 1036 War Tax stamps, ques. 807
Letter Carriers. See Post Office
Levis Drill Hall, ques. 1360, 3727
Library of Parliament, 211, 1426 Joint Com appointed, 307 Librarian, 114. See also DeCelles
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Federal Bureau of Education, 1314 Franchise Bill, 749
Aliens-certificate, (2091, 2096 Ballot boxes, 109*7-8 By-elections, simultaneous, 1091 Chief Electoral Officer-Biggar, Mr. O. M„ appointment of, 4269 Conveyance of electors, 787 Deposit, 1094 Notices, 778 Oaths, 780 Recall, the, 2028
Returning officers, 1522, 1532-3, 1577, 1582
Public officials, 1795-6, 1806 Voters' lists, 2426-36 Indemnity of members, 4074, 4448-9 Industrial disputes, 1910-11 Judges' salaries, ques. 1035, 4339, 4422 League of Nations, 3978 Marriage Act Arndt, 1787-8 Naturalization
"Disloyal," 3917-9 Galicians, 3922	'
Naval Service, additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4404 New party movement, 125 Oil from tar sands, 332-3 '
Oliver-St. Paul de Metis Railway, 344, 871
Privilege-comment on absence from House, 2968-9
Returned soldiers, provision for M. for special Com. 513 Soldiers' widows and children, ques. 920 Saturday and morning sittings, 2781-2 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4005 Speech read-point of order, 2966 Washington labour conference, 371
Mackie, Mr. Herbert J. (North Renfrew) Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4446 Rural mail carriers, 4524
Maclean, Hon. A. K. (Halifax)
Canadian Wheat Board, 4111 Civil Service Act Amdt. 3133-9 Judges' salaries, 4421-2 Resignation as Minister, 448 Scientific Research, 2169
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 129u Union Government - Prime Minister and Parliamentary government, 129; proposed general election, 130
Maclean, Mr. W. F.-Con.
Business Profits tax-public utilities, 322934
Canadian National Railways Public ownership-duplications-colonization lines-community centres-situation in Toronto-public ownership in ' United States coming, 4195-9 Canadian Wheat Board, 4351 Civil Service, technical officers, 4514 Coal-alienation of lands, 3811 Estimates and their discussion, 4589 Federal laws, enforcement of, 4506 Fuel supply, 4506
Special powers to Railway Commission 4331
Grank Trunk Railway acquisition, 1439-42 Judges' salaries, 4S35-*41 Labour representatives, 4513-4 Newsprint shortage, 2968 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3947 Railway Commission, jurisdiction over telephones, 2*41*3 Rural mail, 4525
Soldier Settlement-housebuilding, 1687 Steel and shipping merger, 1955-60 Toronto Union station, 3225-6
MacNutt, Mr. Thomas (Saltcoats)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 174. Proposed general election -census and representation, figures, 174; income tax and land value tax- the Farmers' party, 175; Liberal's and free trade, 176
Budget, 2884. New party and its names- its platform on the tariff-former Liberals supporting the Budget, 2884; Mr. Stacey and duty on apples-Opposition tariff policy, 2885; effect of Budget on public revenues and on prices, 2887; income tax, land value tax, 2888; no tariff at all but land value tax and if necessary other direct taxes, 2889
Canadian Pacific Railway freight rates, ques. 2010
Franchise Bill, advance polls, 3876 Indemnity of members, 4081 Wheat participation certificates, ques. 802; ques. 802
McCoig, Mr. A. B. (Kent, Ont.)
Agricultural machinery, standardizing, 2079
Apple barrel, 2018
Budget, 2626. Manufacturers and tariff- United Farmers, 2627; effects of policy on stock-raising, 2628; profiteering
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Budget-Con.
and Board of Commerce, 2629; prices, 2630; luxury taxes-taxation of war profits, 2631
Canadian Wheat Board, ques. 799, 3561, 4109
Chaplin, Mr., criticism by, 2816 Erieau port, 2115, 2118 Franchise Bill-voters' lists, 2350 Income tax
Part payment with return, 3254 Residence or investment outside Canada, 3251
Indemnity of members, 4083 Indians, enfranchisement, 4037 Opium and Drug Bill, 1705 Postmen, rumoured strike of, 3623 Purchasing Commission, 1472 Returned soldiers, provision for, 514 Special War Revenue Bank overdrafts, 3624-5 Chandeliers, 3578 Sporting goods, 3571 Stock transfers, 3626
McCrea, Mr. Francis N. (Sherbrooke)
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1497 Stocks, 1571 Strike of 1910, 1570 Indemnity of members, 4454 Parliament Buildings, 1422-1434 Railways, purchase of by Government, 1454
Railway rates, 1498 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4013
McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Colchester)
Budget, 2936. Budget should be circulated in condensed and popular form, 2936; supposed prosperity, prices, inflation, 2937; gold reserve-taxes and revenue, 2938; expenditures, public debt, 2939; sinking fund-effects of war extravagance, 2940; Government example needed - greater efficiency and economy in Civil Service, 2941 Income tax-corporations, 3239
McDonald, Mr. Angus (Timiskaming)
Budget, 3039. Failure to catch Speaker's eye-Timiskaming by-election - Mrs. Rose Henderson-One Big Union, 3039; in honour of Canada's soldier heroes, 3041
Canadian Northern Railway, North Bay through, ques. 3619 Election and introduction, 1684, 1787 Industrial disputes, 1909-11, 1975-7 Personal position on labour questions, 1977
McGibbon, Mr. Peter (Muskoka)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 215. Exchange situation, 216; Great Britain's industrial efficiency, German competition, 218; protection, income tax, taxation of foodstuffs, 218; duties on boots and shoes, agricultural implements, free goods, 219; tax on farm lands, development of resources -Franchise Act, 220; proposed general election, 221 Civil Service, 4059 Franchise Bill Agents, 1098
Conveying voters, 786, 1062 Disqualification, charitable aid, those receiving, 1818
Income tax-Charities, 3246, 3314 Indians
Gibson, reserve, 3277 Tuberculosis amongst, 3277 Military training and cadet service, 3710 Newspaper postage rates, 3349, 3354 Northern Canada-oil properties, 3281 Oleomargarine, 1870 Opium and Drug Bill, 1746-50, 1753-6 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3937 Race track betting, 3429 Returned soldiers, 514 Scientific Research, 2164 Special War Revenue,
Automobiles, 3599
Boats and canoes, 3589-92
Proprietary medicines, 3602
McGibbon, Mr. Peter Robert (Argenteuil) Parliament Buildings, 1434
McGregor, Mr. Alexander (Pictou)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech (Seconder) 18. Illness and absence of Prime Minister, 18; returned soldiers, 19; after-war conditions- class divisions, 20; iron and steel industry in war and peace, 21; labour and capital, 22 Pictou Harbour, 2185 Voters' lists, 2361-2
Mclsaac, Mr. James (Kings, P.E.I.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 221. Parliament buildings, 221; contents of Speech from the Throne-Union Government-leader of the Opposition and the war, 222; illness of Prime Minister-proposed general election, 223; reply to Mr. McKenzie, 224 Agriculture, 2395
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Budget, 2864. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-trade and production, 2864; national debt, 2865; revenue and expenditure-new taxes, 2866; Mr. Fielding's amdt. and address, 2867; fiscal policy of Liberal party, 286S; tariff investigation and amendment, 2869; national policy, 2870 Canadian National Railways Prince Edward Island car ferry- standardization of railway *- winter navigation-Georgetown harbour and terminals-invitation to Prince Edward Island, 4208-12 Car ferry, 2103 Franchise Bill
"Ecclesiastics," 1078 Polls, hours to be open, 1926 Voters' lists, provincial, 23 60 Grading export butter and cheese, 606 Icebreakers, 210®
Lightkeeper's salaries, 2111 Masters and mates, examiner, 1610 North Lake harbour, 3159 School of navigation, 1612 Sick saijors, 3553-4 Soldier settlement, 2:152
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (Cape Breton North and Victoria;
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 46, 47. Congratulations, 47; new leader of the Opposition, 48; Montreal Gazette's and Hon. Robert Rogers' opinion of the Government, 50; Minister's absence from the House, 51; health of Prime Minister-extension of parliamentary term, 52; technical education - shipbuilding-production-returned soldiers-civil service reform, 53; Liberal policy-late Liberal leader, 54; exchange rate and foreign trade, 55 Admiralty Act, 3086 Appeals in sumary convictions, 3418-9 Arrest and summoning of persons outside the province, 3417-8 Banff National Park, 3770-6 Bankruptcy Bill, 3258-65 Betting machine, 3416 Board of Commerce
Constitutional question, 3685 Porter, Mr. Arthur S., dismissal of, 568 Budget, 2580. Tariff and tariff commission, 2580; the Budget, its purpose, 2581; revenue and expenditure, 2'582; luxury taxes and prices, 2588; foreign credits, 2584; governmental interference in
McKenzie, Mr. D. O.^Con.
Budget-Con.
trade, 2685; government and by-elections, 2585; parties and the tariff, 2587; Liberals' and Farmers' tariff resolutions, 2588
Canada Grain Act, administration, 1877 Canadian National Railways Appointments, how made, 3140 Canadian National Railway Company, 345
Extensions, 3376, 3384-9, 3393-4 Victoria County, 4241 North Sydney terminal, 4251 Reply to general summary of Minister of Railways, 872 Taxation of, 3393-4 Withholding of information, 1657-8 Canadian Wheat Board, 4114 Cape Breton Need of railways, 876 Newfoundland steamship service, 4285 Civil Service
Bonus, 1270-2, 1276, 1280, 1284, 3147 Cheques, preparation of, 1285-7 Classification, 553 Insurance, 1780'
Retirement fund, 460, 3836 Salaries, 3541
Temporary employees, 3133-5 Outside Canada, 3129 War record, civil servants with, 3131 Coal and iron resources, 327 Coal mining-prevention of explosions, 3814
Coal Operations Director, 36913 Orders in Council, 3186 Orders of, 3191 Cold storage for bait, 2408 Commercial Feeding stuffs; 3409 Criminal Code
Change of venue, 3421-2 Courts of appeal, 3423 Prisoner, re-election by, 3419-20 Currency Act Amdt., 460 Dominion lands, 1049-50
United States soldiers and, 1233 Dredging, 3786 Exchange rate, 55, 460 Exchequer Court, 2203-4 Experimental' and demonstration farms, 2384-5
Firearms licenses, 3410, 3413 Fish inspection, 1053-4
Fisheries treaty with United States, 1290, 3161
Food and Drugs Bill, 957, 961-77, 1258-9, 1262
Prosecutions, 1263-9
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Food inspectors, 3540 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1942, 1999 Lists, 3914
Aliens-certificate, 2101, 2204 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1156-8 Burden of proof, 116(1, 1825 Clerk of Crown in Chancery, 1071 Contributions, 1169 Corrupt practices, 1160	_
Deputy returning officers, 1074 Disqualification
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1818 Citizenships and franchise, 1824 Election officers, 1075-8 False statement made to affect election, 1066-7
Interpretation
''Lists of voters," 1989 ''Voter," 1993-4
Orders in Council, repeal of 77'6-7 Payment of voters' expenses, 1064 Poll books, etc., returning officer, 1078-80 Preparation of voters' lists-complaint of unfairness, 3905
Proclamation-language of publication, 1832
Registrars, rural, attendance of, 3908-9 Returning officers, 1161, 1589-90 Voters' lists
Provincial, 1989, 2329, 2341-6, 2348, 2(361-4
Voting notwithstanding disqualification. 1161, 1825
Writ of election, 1166 Franking privilege, 3358 Gas and electricity inspection, 1887 Government annuities, 462-3 Government, steamers-wages. 1609-11 Grand Trunk Railway, 1291,1299-1300,1486, 1489, 150(6-7	-
Branch lines, 1313-6, 1321 Stock, 1321
Strike of 1910 and pensions, 1130, 1551, 1568
Halifax-Cape Breton service, 4281 Halifax explosion, 3698-9 jHarbour dues, 2189 Highlander's plaid and clasp, 445 Housing expenditure, 35150 Hungarian treaty, 1060 Icebreakers, 1600, 2106 Imperial conference, 359
McKenzie, Mr. D. D.-Con.
Income tax
Assessment methods, 3254 Charities, 3247, 3314 Delinquents, 3120, 3123-4 Exemptions, 3127 " Householders," 3249 Indians,
British Columbia, 951-5 Economic and religious situation, 3268 Education of, 3277 Enfranchisement, 4038-40 Nova Scotia, 3272-3 Tuberculosis amongst, 3275 Industrial disputes, 1901-4, 1912, 1972-3, 2199-2200
Isle Madame fishery officers, ques. 3294 Irrigation, 3698-9 League of Nations
Britain's treaty-making power and, 349 Washington Labour Conference, 355 Liberal leadership, and, 898, 913, 1277 Liquor sales-jurisdiction, 3498 Live stock shipments inspection, 1615 Loan Companies, 1778-9 Lotbiniere and Megantic Railway, 950 Marine hospitals, 3552-3 Masters and mates, 406, 562-4, 573-4, 979-87 Examiners, 1611 Militia
Cadet service, 3703 Headquarters officers, ques. 344 Mines Dept., explosives, 3804 Moving pictures of Canada, 1884 Naturalization, 3918 Naval Service, badges, 446 Necessaries, prices of, 327 Newfoundland, 4276, 4278-9, 4281 Cattle trade-veterinary, 2410 North Sydney
Harbour and breakwater, 2186, 3493-94 Terminal facilities, 875, 4241 Oleomargarine, 1875-7 Opium and Drug Bill, 1643-4, 1761, 1900 Ottawa city, agreement with, 578,	581,
Parliamentary restaurant, 3095-6 Patent Record, 1886 Peace Treaty, 1058-60 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3947 Fisheries and returned men, 3948 Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044-5
Vocational training, 3949 Widowed mother, 4044 Pictou harbour, 2186 Pilotage, 1967
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Railway Act Arndt. (Provincial jurisdiction) 3635
Railways, Govt. vs. private ownership, 872 Registration of shipping, 1614 Returned soldiers' insurance, 4054-5 Returned soldiers, 525
Soldier settlement, 527, 1695 Fishermen, aid to, 1691, 3943 St. John harbour-pitots, 2120 St. Lawrence dredging, 1617-20 Schools of navigation, 1612-3 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 583
Shipbuilding Contracts, 911 Prices, 912
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3999, 4009-16, 4137, 4157, 4166
Sick and distressed mariners, 2266-7 Special War Revenue Candy, 3593
Collection, method of, 3482
Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3456
Excise and sales taxes
Returned soldier amdt. (Mr. Lemieux) 3452-3
Sporting goods, 3571-2 Spirits, illicit distillation, 3817 Statutes, suggested revision and consolidation, 3821, 4053
Steamboat inspection, 1051, 1767-76 Steamers "Champlain" and "Lady Grey," ques. 3619
Steel and shipping merger, 1965 Supply, interim, vote, 756 Supreme Court Act, 2315-16 Sydney harbour
South Bar lighthouse, 2116 Sydney Quarantine station*, 3148 Sydmey-Whycocomagh service, 4287 Terminal ©levators, 1878-9 Ticket-of-l-eave system, 398 Treaty of Peace, ratification, 476 Wednesday evening sittings, 1045 Wharves and wharfage, 2123, 2189 Wheeler, Mr. S-rust proof wheat, 2388 Yukon and British Columbia, 3282
McMaster, Mr. Andrew R. (Brome)
Air service, 4555 Alien immigrants, 823 Asbestos, 4513 Banff National park, 3772 Board of Commerce-Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4474-8, 4494
Bright, John, on hours of labour, 326 Budget, 2518-00. Gross and net debt-taxation methods, 2521; inflation and rates
McMaster, Mr. Andrew R.-Con.
Budget-Con.
of duty, 2522; deficit, and suggestions of economy, 25-23; military preparations, 2623; public works, 2524; subsidies, 252-5; taxation, methods, 2526; luxury taxes, 2-528; tariff investigation, 2509; protection- or free trade, 2530; United States free list-"Reduction Rimes," 2533
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Civil Service insurance, and, 1780 Canadian Mission in London, ques. 410 Canadian National Railways
Nomenclature and legislation, 3390-Taxation of, 3894
Withholding information, 1672-4, 1680 Coal Operations Director, 3-694 Coinage
Deficient, 461
Silver-international standard, 400 Debates, difficulty of hearing, 1418 Eastern Town-ships, scenic beauty, 3538 Exchequer Court, 2204 Export regulations, 3622 Food and Drugs Bill, 955-9, 966-70 Franchise Bill, 738	,
* Compulsory voting, 1062
Contributions-amdt. 1171, 1192-0 Paid propaganda, amdt. to 3r., 4374 Polling divisions, 1-5-16, 1518-9 Proclamation, language of publication, 21284-5
Returning officers, 1524-5 Telegraph, communications by, 1068 Franking privilege, 3762-8 Grand Trunk Railway, 1-313, 1325-8 Appeal from ruling of Chairman, 1327 House of Commons, pages, 809-8-9 Indemnity of members, 4452 International Joint Commission

Sir William (Hearst - Non-representation of Quebec, 3986 Irrigation, 3695-3701 Judges' salaries, 4419 Labour, Minister of, 4513 League of Nations, 3983
Expenses, Canada's contribution, ques. 410
Loan Companies, 1778 Militarism, 3706-7 Militia, Cadet service, 3704-8, 3706 Mines Department and Geological Survey, 4513
Missisquoi Bay, 3538 Naval Service badges, 444 News Service, 4333 Opium and Drug BUI, 1758
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Peace Treaty, Ratification, 478, 3984 Pensions
French reservist from Canada, 4048 Widowed mothers, resident outside of Canada, 4045-6
Post Office Dept, postal1 rates, etc., 3738, 3756-8
Press censorship, ques. 541 Purchasing Commission, 1476 .
Race track betting, 3427-8, 3432 Regina Library, 396 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 396-7 Shipbuilding, 6128, 666-7, 907-9 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3989-92, 4154-61 Special War Revenue, 3791 Administration - book of instructions suggested, 3791 Caps, 3566
"Excise and sales" and luxury taxes, 3466-7
Changes, date of coming into effect, 3607 Clocks and watches, 3574 Currency, foreign, depreciated, 3615 Fountain pens, 3577	*
Fuel, 3609
Glassware, cut, 3569
Imports and manufactures, 3566
Jewellery, 3582-4
Musical instruments, 3596
Neckwear, 3790
Proprietary medicines, 3603-4
Refunds, 3607
Socks, 3566
Sporting goods, 3570-1 Umbrellas, 3568 Underwear, 3568 Wedding rings, 3797 Steamboat inspection, 1770-75 Steamboat subsidies, 4515 T. Eaton Life Assurance Company, 669 Washington, Canadian representative at,
McMasterville, Explosive works at, 2247
McNichol, Mr. J. L. ques. 994
McQuarrie, Mr. W. G. (New Westminster) Judges' salaries, 3853 Returned soldiers, 537
Magdalen Islands, 649, 1601, 4586 Visit of " Canadian Sealer," 649 Relief ships to, 1742 Steamship services, 4276-87
Magill, Dr., 4124-5, 4342-7
Maharg, Mr. John A. (Maple Creek)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 299. Farmers' movement, 299; reply to Sir Thomas White, 300; reply to Mr. McGibbon (Muskoka)-returned soldiers, 301; taxation of war profits, 302; tariff protection-proposed new Liberal and Conservative party, 303
Alien immigrants, 827, 839 Budget, 2632. Luxury taxes, 2632; Liberal party's tariff policy-Great Britain under free trade, 2633; Wheat Board and the farmers, 2635; farmers and purchase of American implements, 2636
Campaign funds, 1224
Canadian Wheat Board, 4131-5, 4346, 4351, 4355
Franchise Bill
Contributions, 783, 1189, 1191, 4373 Election expenses, 1154 Grand Trunk Railway, 1458 Indemnity of members, 4090 Opium and Drug Bill, 1634-7, 1641-2 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 395 Pensions, 615
Shipbuilding, inland waters, vessels for, 913
Soldier Settlement, cattle branding, 1700 Universal military training, 942
Mail Carriers, ques. 343. See also Civil Service; Post Office; Rural Mail
Manion, Mr. Robert J. (Fort William and Rainy River)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 211. Ontario and Quebec- Parliamentary librarian - Parliament Building, 211; proposed general election, 212; franchise, pensions, shipping, civil service, development, 212; tariff, 213; League of Nations, Canada's status, 214
Agricultural and industrial populations,' ques. 1002
Budget. 2544. Tariff, 2544; free trade or moderate tariff, 2545; markets, 2547; foreign commerce, 2548; how to estimate prosperity and progress, 2550, 2634; railways, agriculture, pulpwood, minerals, 2552; foreign competition, 2554; tariff revision, 2554 Canadian Wheat Board, 4111 Chisholm, Col. H. A., ques. 3359 Coal Operations Director, 3179 Dairying-cheese, 2406


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Food and Drugs Bill, 1636, 1642 Fort Frances public buildings, 3151-2 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1165 Contributions, 1190-1
Disqualification-charitable aid, those receiving, 1815, 1818-9 " Ecclesiastics," 1078 Non-residents and non-electors, 786 Voters' lists, 2429-30 Income tax-aliens in Canada, 3250 National resources development, M. in favour, 1017 Oleomargarine, 1864 Opium and Drug Bill, 1759 Returned Soldiers, M. for Special Com. 519
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 390 Shipbuilding-foreign trade, 906 Special War Revenue Ethyl alcohol, 3604 Furniture, 3575 Medicines, 3627, 3631 Sporting Goods, 3571
War medals, ques. 1003, 1046, ques. 1120 Mann, Sir Donald, private car, ques. 2183 Mantezono. See Labrie
Manufacturers. See also debates on Address; Budget
Aid in appeals, 321
United States competition, 2857
Vessel rates, <1728
Maple Products Adulteration Bill, lr., 582; 2r., 796; com, 796,	1254;	3r., 1256;
Senate amdts., 2366, 4020
Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)
Banff National park, 3777 Bonaventure
Experimental farms, ques. 414 Pensions* ques. 993 Postmasters, ques. 507 Public Works engineer, ques. 411 Wharves, ques. 411
Bonaventure and Gaspe, dairy products and fish, ques. 587 Bridges and the provinces, 3771-3 Campbellton-Cross Point Bridge, ques. 3490
Ferry, ques. 342, ques. 411, ques. 588, ques. 1789, ques. 2415 Canadian National Railways-cars, 864 Chambly fort, 3725 Civil Service retirement, 3833 Dredging, 3783-7
Marcil, Hon. Charles-Con.
Franchise Bill
Election expenses, 1932 Polls, hours to be open, 1921-2 Gascons wharf, ques. 411 International Joint Commission, 3986 League of Nations, 3982 Matapedia
Bridge and highway, 3780, ques. 411 Station, freights, ques. 587 Mines Dept., 3803 Explosives, 3804 Montreal barracks, 3724-7 Montreal-Quebec-Gaspe service, ques. 587 Newsprint shortage, 2968 Peat, 3806
Public works, resident engineers, 3787 Quebec and Western Railway, ques. 411, ques. 412
Quebec, Oriental and Atlantic Railway.
ques. 411, ques. 412, ques. 507 Registered postal rate, 3732-5 Restigouche bridge, ques. 411 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3998 Special War Revenue Lace, 3793
Prices, how arrived at, 3790 Spirits and beer, 3817-8 Tache, Mr. Chas. Eugene, ques. 3490 Tobacco, 3818-9
Marcile, Mr. J. E. (Bagot)
Acton Vale post office, ques. 1899 Bagot
Electoral list, ques. 20T1 Postal inspection, ques. 2721 Flynn, Capt. Percy, ques. 2415 Franchise Bill, 19911-2 Military Service defaulters, ques. 507 Picard, Mr. Elzear, ques. 993 Ste. Rosalie-Bagot spur line, ques. 2009 Theodore d'Acton post office, ques. 2011
Margeson, Mr. J. W., ques. 1036
Marine. See also Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Canada Shipping Act. For vessels, see that title Buoys, 2116 Department
Classification, 2113
Members of Parliament, treatment of, 2121
Services, restored to, 3507 Hospitals, 3552. See also Canada Shipping Act (Sick and Distressed Mariners) Liquor shipments and, 2107 Wrecking plants, 1615, 2103'
Wrecks, investigations, 1612
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Maritime* Provinces, Harbour Commissions, 3492-3
Marriage Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 1787
Marriage Licenses, 34)15
Marshall, Mr. David, M. P., death of, 1, 10
Martin, Mr. Peter F. (Halifax)
Fisheries
Benefits from government policy, 3535 Estimates, 3521 Halifax explosion, 3699 Voters' lists, 23i37
Masonic Records in Parliament Tower, ques. 2894
Masters and Mates. See that title under Canada Shipping Act
Matapedia
Highway, ques. 411, 3780 Station, ques. 587
Matches-use of phosphorus, 356
Mayrand, Mr. Hormisdas (MaskinongO) Louiseville postmaster, ques. 1739
Meat and Canned Goods Inspection, 2411
Medicines-See Foods and Drugs; Opium and Drugs; Inland Revenue; Proprietary; Special War Revenue
Meighen, Hon. Arthur (Minister of the Interior and Superintendent General of Indian Affairs.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 152; Farmers' movement a class movement, 153; franchise and conscription of aliens; reply to Mr. Caldwell-Canada's national status, 156; monetary exchange and trade, 157; proposed general election-Cabinet representation-illness of Prime Minister, 158; Union Government's mandate-government by commission. 159; vacancies, 160 Alien immigrants, 831, 2238-40 Alpine Club, 3288 Banff National park, 3771-2 Board of Commerce, Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4492-4500
British Columbia Indians, 386,	787-95,
950-5. 1047, 327'3>. See also under this title, Indian Act.
Meighen, Hon. Arthur-Con.
Budget, 2683. "Advances unaccounted for," 2683; luxury taxes, 2684; income tax in Canada, in Great Britain and in New Zealand, 2685-2707; tariff-England as an example, 2686; balance of trade, Great Britain and the United States, 2687; people below the poverty line, 2688; effect of free trade on movement of population, 2689; British industry and free trade, 2690; United States an alleged free trade country, 2696; agricultural population in Great Britain and in Canada, 2690; Great Britain and Germany in the field of manufacture, 2691; British reports on industries- iron, steel, tinplate, 2692; electrical trades, engineering trades, 2695; cotton trade, textile industries, 2696; Eiberal party and tariff, 2697; Farmers' party tariff plank, 2699; duty on agricultural implements, 2701; Mr. Fielding and "adequate protection," 2702; tariff and foodstuffs, 270'3; answers to questions invited-Eiberal and agrarian party platforms, 2704; Mr. Crerar and direct taxation-tax on unearned increment of land, 2706; tariff should remain in force pending revision, 2708
Canadian Forestry Association, 3286 Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine Information properly withheld, 1664, 1668-70
Canadian Wheat Board, 4115-24,	4136,
Capital punishment, 1152 Coal Operations Director, 3690 Fuel situation, 3175, 3182-92 Orders in Council, 3186-9
Ratification of, 3361, 3365-75 Orders of Director, 3189-92 Dominion Lands Act Amdt. 704, 1048-50 Homesteading privileges to United States Soldiers, 1113, 1233-4
Dominion Water Powers Branch, 3289-93 Employment offices, 2313-4, 3087, 4612-3 Minister, powers of, 3692 Orders in Council, effect of, 30881-91 Explosive works at Beloeil, 2314 Franchise Bill, 756-9 Aliens-certificate, 2238-40 Grand Trunk Railway Stocks, value of, 1562-3, 1572 Strike of 1910, 1556-64 Hurons of Lorette, 1152


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Indian Act Amdt. Bill, 3S6, 795-6, 4029-40, 4137, 4174
Indian lands (British Columbia) 386 Indians, 3265-80
Agents-salary and bonus, 3273 British Columbia, 3273 ' Caughnawaga, 3266-7 Education, 3277-80 Game laws and, 3280 Gordon's Reserve-school, 3270-1, 3278 Health and medical attendance, 3275 -Tuberculosis, 3276 Hurons of Lorette, 1152 Missionary work amongst, 3268 New Brunswick, 3273 Nova Scotia, 3273
Prairie Provinces and Northwest, 3267 Prince Edward Island, 3273 Reserves, surrender of, 3274 Self-sustaining, 3268 Sioux, 3267
Six Nations-education, 3280 Ungava-distress amongst - reindeer herds to be established, 3276 Yukon, 3274
Industrial Disputes, 1900-15, 1971-5, 1981-5, 2190-2200, 2248
International boundary surveys, 3293 Irrigation Act Amdt., 3358, 3694-3702 Joint Industrial Councils, 4512 Labour Dept, salaries, 4506 Lake Winnipeg and Elk Island, 3287 Macallum, Professor, 3806 Mill, John Stuart, and protection, 2907 Mines Dept. 3801-15, 4513 Coal, 3810
Dominion and provinces, 3803 Explosives, 3804 Explosions, avoidance of, 3814 Investigation of deposits, leases, etc., 3808
Lignite, 3805 Oil, 331, 3808-10 Overlapping, 3802 Peat, 3806
Resignations, salaries, etc., 3801-3805 Resources, alienation of, 3810 Road and structural material, 3808 National defence, 4302-4 National Industrial Conference, 4512 National parks, 3283, 3771 Naturalization-franchise and, 770-1 Natural resources of Western Provinces, 3293
Naval Service, 4302-4, 4315
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000 ^393-7
Meighen, Hon. Arthui-Con.
Northern Canada's area, resources and administration, 3280-4 Northwest Game Act Amdt. 2892 Oil-Canada's position 'and resources, 331 Peace Conference Labour Bureau, 4507 Permanent Force, 3210-1 Provincial affairs and federal aid, 833 Reindeer-caribou, 3276, 3284 St. John River water-powers, 3290-3 Seed grain advances, 3286-8 Soldier Settlement, 1289, 1685-1702, 2127-50, 3218-24
Administration-criticism, 3223 Defaults, 3223 Fishermen, 3219 Irrigated lands, 3223 Loans, employment for districts, 3220 Ministerial explanation, 3192-4 Provincial free grants and, 3223 Repayments, 3218 Solicitors' fees, 3218 Staff, salaries, 3221-3 Training and allowances, 3224 Surveys, 3293
Tariff, personal position on-Mr. Crerar's criticism, 2900 Tar sands, 333 Technical Education, 1761 Yukon administration, 3281-2 British Columbia and, 3282 Yukon Placer Mining Act, 2892, 3106, 4264
Members of Parliament. See also Jjlouse of Commons
Attendance of in House, 2782-6
Members' Indemnity. See House of Commons
Members' Stenographers, salaries of, ques. 2311
Menace, the, ques. 1899
Mennonites, emigration to United States, 2127, 2179, 2248
Mercantile Marine. See Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine; Canada Shipping Act
Metabetchouan postmaster, ques. 1120, 2876
Meteorological Service, 2125
Methylated Spirits for industrial power, 324, 3820-1
Mewburn, Hon. Sidney C. (East Hamilton) Battlefields Committee, 2078 Resignation as Minister, 447
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Copper, 4513
Department, 3801. See also Geological Survey
Employees, resignation, queg. 672, 3802, 45112
Labour in, 370
Machinery, imported, ques. 162:5 Oil, 331, 3281, 3808-10 Unused mineral deposits, 3810
Ministers of the Crown. See also Cabinet Absence of, from Seat of Govt. 39 Attendance in Parliament, 51 Disqualification as candidate for House of Commons, 1086 Resignations of, 386, 447 Salaries, 3228, 4379
Minneapolis stockyards, 3166-7
Mint. See also Coinage; Ottawa Mint Act The Royal, Ottawa Branch, 565
Missisquoi Bay, Net fishing, 3535-8
Molloy, Mr. J. P. (Provencher)
Elevators, ques. 1358 Franchise Bill Polling divisions, 1518 Returning officers, 1595 Notices of motion, inquiry, 1628
Monroe Doctrine, 4294, 4310, 4404
" Montcalm," Icebreaker, 1060. See also Icebreakers
Montmagny, Colonization lots in, ques. 1229 Montreal
Corn Exchange, vessel' rates, 1727 Harbour, wharves, ques. 674 Immigrants; landing at, 3226-8
Montreal and Hull Highway, 1113
Morden, Col., 1948
Morphy, Mr. Hugh B. (North Perth)
Active militia-allowances, 3659 British North America Act Amdt. 811 Canadians in Imperial service-Capt. Barron, 857
Cattle trade, 2373 Dairy industry, 2403-4 Difficulty in hearing debates, 463 Eight-hour day, 452-5 Franchise Bill
Chief Electoral officer-Mr. Biggar, K.C., 4267
Conveying voters, 1061
Morphy, Mr. Hugh B.-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Counting and reporting vote, 1109 False statement made to affect election, 1066
Interpretation, "Candidate" 1943-4 Liquor on polling day, 1108-9 Peace and good order, 1106 Polls, hours to be open, 1924-5 Proclamation-language of publication,
,	1829-30, 2274, 2285, 2293-6, 2304-6
Provincial lists, 3898 Returning officers Oath of, 1166 Public officials, 1797 Voters' lists, 2425-6 Franking privilege, 3764-7 Grand Trunk Railway
Strike of 1910, and pensions, 1128, 1133, 1537-9, 1566, 4509-11 Government annuities, 463 House of Commons staff, 4565 Industrial disputes, 2197 Intercolonial Railway, 1443 League of Nations Armenia, 3979
Enforcement of decisions, 3976 Provinces of Canada, position of, 452 Secret treaties, 3973-4 Second meeting, 3978 United States, 3981-2 Lignite, 3805
Militia-Dominion arsenals, 3718-9 National defence, 4302-3 Newspaper postage, 3753 Oil-leases, etc., 3809 Peat, 3807
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, provincial authorities and, 3196 Rulings and statements as Chairman Chair to be addressed, 4481 Decorum, 4481 Judiciary, reference to, 4483 Shipbuilding advances Bill, 4149, 4163 Soldier Settlement, 1688, 2153 Steel ammunition charges, 3718-9 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586
Morrison's Limited, ques. 997
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Motions, Inquiries concerning, 1628 Motor Cars. See Automobiles Mounted Police. See Royal Canadian
Moving Pictures
Canada film service, 1882 Canadian National Pictorial, 4544 Tax on, removal of, 2487, ques. 3489
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Imperial citizenship, and, ques. 996 Papers, fraudulent, ques 4096
Naturalization Act, 1914, Arndt. Bill, lr.,
3682; 2r., com., 3914; 3r., 3922; Senate amdts. 4416
Naval Defence, ques. 309. See also Naval Service
Admiral Jellicoe's report, 308 Statement by Minister of the Naval Service, 3498
Naval Service
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4380 Badges, 437, ques. 506 Canadian officers, 4299 Civil Service Insurance and, 1779 Coast defence of Canada, United States and, 4294, 4298
Construction, programme of nations, 4301 Correspondence with Imperial Government, 4408, 4413, 4503 Demobilization, 4299 Estimates, how considered, 4380, 4411 Halifax and Esquimau depots, 4296-7, 4307, 4390, 4394
Naval college, graduates, 4562 Naval conference of 1921, 4300 "Niobe" and "Rainbow," 4292-3. See also that title
Salaries of Dept., 4409
Ship construction, material, ques. 1114
Statement by Minister, 707
Navigation, aid and protection of, 2115 Schools of, 1612
St. Lawrence River-lie d'Orleans, 3295
Navigation Rates. See Railway Act Arndt.
Navy, ques. 540. See also debates under Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Naval Service
Jellicoe, Admiral, 11. See also that title Ships from Great Britain, 4413
Navy League of Canada, ques. 802
Nesbitt, Mr. E. W. (North Oxford)
Chairman, Committee of the Whole, Rulings as, 1326
Unanimous consent for statement in Supply, 2379
Civil Service retirement, 3833 Colonial Investment and Loan, 3859 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3403 Demonstration farms, 2396
Nesbitt, Mr. E. W.-Con.
Eight-hour day, 376
Food and Drugs Bill, 958, 963, 1257-8
Franchise Bill, 1066
Fuel, transportation cost, 330
House of Commons staff, 4565-6
Income tax
Beneficiaries, 3243 Charities, 3247, 3312 Deficits and losses, 3240-1 Five per cent added, 3251-2 Indemnity of members, 3242 Returns, 3253-4 Stock dividends, 3239-40 Judges' salaries, 3851 Natural resources, oil leases, 3810-3 Naval service badges, 445-6 Newspaper postage rates, 3348 Pensions, 433
Widowed mother resident outside Canada, 4045
Returned soldiers, 528 Insurance, 4054-5 Report of Committee, 1082 Rural mail carriers, 4522 Senate staff, 4060
Soldier settlement, 2129-30, 2138-43 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Automobiles, 3599 Collection, method of, 3344-5 Prices, effect on, 3330 Steel and shipping merger, 1952-3 Western Assurance Company, 3860
Neuville Station, ques. 2721
Newfoundland
Cape Race light, 2117 Trade with, 4241, 4242, 4276-7
New Parliament Buildings. See Parliament Buildings
New York-Canadian publicity branch at, 1882
Newspaper Postage. See Post Office Act Amdt.
Newspapers. See also Newsprint; Post Office Act Amdt.; Press
Payments to for printing, ques. 1114 Propaganda, and, 4375
Newsprint
Control, ques. 588, ques. 2720
Controller, resignation of, ques. 315, ques. 589
Embargo, ques. 994
Exportation and embargo, 1358, ques. 1114
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Orange order, 249, 285
Oranges and Figs grown in the open in British Columbia, 1016
Orders in Council. See also 'War Measures; Coal operations Employment offices, 3087 Legislation and Government by, 31, 38, 177, 2018, 20i2i0-l
Orientals
Canada, in, 825
Vote, and, See Dominion Franchise
Orleans, Island of, public works, ques. 810
Ostend, Allies Conference at, 2476, 2574
Ottawa
Agreement with Corporation, 557. See also Ottawa Agreement Bill Connaught Rifle Range, 3728 Daly building, rental of, ques. 1200 Mackenzie Avenue, ques. 999 Public buildings, 3154 New, ques. 1002
Wellington street-public building, ques. 1002
Ottawa Agreement Bill. Res. 576, 557, lr„ 581; 2r„ com., 988; Sr., 1047
Ottawa Improvement Commission. See delates under Ottawa Agreement
Ottawa Mint Act Arndt. Bill. Res. 615; lr., 616; 2., com., 3r„ 798
Otter, Sir William Dillon, ques. 673
Overdrafts, bank. See Special War Revenue
Oxford County, Ont., products, 1010
Pacaud, Mr. L. T. (Megantic)
Budget, 3020. The public burdens, 3020; tariff for revenue-programme of the Farmers' party, 3021; cost of living and development of natural resources -line of demarcation between the parties, 3022
Rural mail-Mr. Joseph Houle, ques. 2313
Palmer, Mr. K. H., ques. 1001
Paper, Manufacture of. See delates on Scientific Research Newsprint. See that title
Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois)
Board of Commerce, M. 3863 Canadian Northern, total liability, ques. 2011
Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Budget, 2740. Mr. Meighen and the new party-tariff revision, 2740; the consumer and taxes-the new taxes, 2741; address in Montreal, 2742; textile Industries and protection, 2743; effect of new taxes upon population, 2744 Canadian Mercantile Marine, insurance, ques. 1511
Canadian National Railways Deficit, 888-9
Fire insurance, ques. 1623 Withholding of information, 1663 Experimental and demonstration farms, 2382-4, 2388 Franchise Bill, 731 Advance polls, 1999-2001 Aliens certificate, 2063-70, 2225-6, 2230-2, 2238-9
Arndt, moved, 2026; neg. 2242 Election expenses, 1153 False statements made to affect election, 1065
Indians, 2056-7
Name not on list-oaths, 3878 Personation, etc., 1159 Plugging, 2350
Polling stations, additional, 1826 Provincial lists, 2350, 3883, 3889-93 Voters' lists, addition and elimination of names, 3911-2
Writ, nomination, election, delay, 1092 Grand Trunk Railway, strike of 1910, and pensions, 1553-6 Naturalization, 3916 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3938 Purchasing Commission, 1474 Roumanian orders, insurance, ques. 1739 Soldier settlement, 1684, 3192-3
Parent, Mr. George (Quebec West)
Barracks, 3725
Board of Commerce, ques. 408 Business profits tax, public utilities, 3230 By-election lists, ques. 310 Canadian National Railways, 3377 Census of 1911, ques., 2009 Criminal Code Amdt. Bill-M. for 3r., 3423 Food and Drugs Bill, 972-6 Franchise Bill
False statement to affect election, 1067 Payment of voters' expenses, 10'65 Undue influence - " spiritual injury," 1158
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Indians, British Columbia, 79'2-5, 3273 Agents, salaries, 3273 Enfranchisement, 4038-40 Militia-Active militia, allowances, 3662-8 Pensions, 434
Com. report-on m. to adopt, 3932 Amdt. 39133, 3962; withdrawn, 3966 M. for Special Com., 513 Resignation from Com., 20S1 Returned men and fishing industry, 3932, 3938-40, ®9®6
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 390 Saar Valley Commission, 344 Senate, cost of, ques-. 1118 Surveys, 3293
Uniforms, unlawful wearing of, 3417 Water-powers of British Columbia, ques. 1118
Winnipeg Grain Exchange, ques. 2005
Pecuniary Claims Convention, 3857
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac E. (South Renfrew) Agriculture, problems and progress of, 2391-5
Armenians, 865 Audibility of debates, 461 Board of Commerce, 4494 Correspondence, 3426 O'Connor, Mr., reported resignation of, 1684
Civil servants with war record, 3129-30 Civil Service
Re-organization, 3741 Retirement, 4462-6 , Demonstration farms, 2i391
Food and Drugs Bill, 964-71, 1258-62 Prosecutions, 1,263-4 Franchise Bill
Advance voting, and voting by mail, 1163-5
Contributions, 1196 Election officers, 1077 Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9 Income tax
Accounting period, 3306-8 Indemnity of members, 3243', 3306 Suggestions, 3124, 312-8 Ireland, condition of, 856 Maple products, 1256 Mennon.ites, 2127, 2179 Mines Dept., resignations, 8804 Opium and Drug Bill, 1638-9, 1748, 1751-2 Pictou harbour, 2186
Postage stamps, used for inland revenue, 3737
Quorum, 964 Renfrew post office, 3151
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac E.-Con.
Siidemaster, retirement of, 446_
Soldier settlement, 2131 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3326 Candy, etc., 3592 Clocks and watches, 3:574 Clothes, 3563-4 Collection, method of, 3470 Commodity tax, 3319, 3330 Importations, 3796 Jewellery, 3681 Lace, manufacture of, 3791-2 Licenses, 3606-7
Manufacturer who is also retailer, 3468 Overcoats, 3686 Prices, 3340
Purses, shopping bags, 3568 Pyjamas, 3567
Retail Merchants' Association, 3842 Returned soldier, amdt. (Mr. Lemieux) 345:2	-
Sales taxes, 3612 Silk, 3563 Silk clothing, 3790 Silk waists, 3631-2 Socks, etc., 3567, 3791 Sporting goods, 3570 Stamp taxes, 3800-1 Stock transfers, 3626 Taxes, how paid, 3587-8 United States taxes, 3472 Pelletier, Mr. F. J. (Matane)
Cole, Mr. W. B., ques-. 2893 Illustration farms, 2382-4, 2388 Industrial disputes, 198,3 Masters and mates, 986 Oil, 3811-2
Sparrow, Dr. C. J., ques. 1897
Penitentiary Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 2842; 2r., 3409; Com., 3409; 3r., 3410
Penitentiaries. See also Justice; Labrle Brothers
Alberta, ques. 2777, 3855 Appointments pending, 568 Manitoba, ques. 2574
Portsmouth, vacancies in chief positions, 568
Purchasing agent, 3840, 3854 Saskatchewan, ques. 2674 Stoneham, case, 568
Pensions, ques. 993, ques. 994. See also Pensions and Re-establishment; Pensions Act
Board of Commissioners, 614 Employees, ques. 2895
Soldier organizations and, ques. 1116 Margeson, Mr. J. W., ques. 1036
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Senate amdts. 4263 Free matter, 3761 Newspapers and periodicals, 3745 Registration fee, 3732
Post Office and Customs Depts.
Rumoured investigation by United States firm, 3491, 3623
Potatoes.
Bags, 4562
Exportation of, ques. 1360
Poultry, Feeding of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Power, Mr. Charles G. (South Quebec) Board of Commerce, M. for abolition, 1146, 1150
Canadian Alpine Club, 3288 Canadian Currency on United States lines of Canadian National Railways, ques. 341
Canadian Forestry Association, 3285 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 644-5
" Canadian Recruit," wreck of, 648 " Canadian Sealer," Magdalen Islands trip, 649
Steamers. See also, under this title, Icebreakers
Crews, uniforms, ques. 1003 " Lady Grey " ques. 1361 Canadian National Railways, cargo for ships, 915
Champlain market, 2015 Court martial procedure, ques. 1359 Federal Bureau of Education, 1388 Firearms licenses, 3411-2 Franchise Bill, 777
Aliens-certificate, 2239 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1157-9
Canada Temperance Act, 2053-4 Disqualification, returned soldiers exempted from, 1811, 1820-4 "Elector," how defined, 1916-8 Executory contracts void, 781 Interpretation, 1991 " Candidate," 1944 Judges, revising officers, 722 Language of voter, 1997 Non-residents and non-electors, 786 Notices-handbills, 1169 Polling stations, additional, 1826-7 Polls, hours to be open, 1923-4 Returning officers, 1583-4, 1596
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Voters' lists, use of for advertising, 2319-20
French speeches in House, translation of, 702
Grain trade, 661 Grosse Isle, ques. 1003
Gulf of St. Lawrence Trading Company,
Icebreakers, 1602-5. See also, under this title, Steamers	.
" Montcalm," 1606-7 Uniforms of men on, 1603-4 Indemnity of members, 1281, 4087 [DOT]
Indians-Sioux, 3267 Magdalen Islands-Belle Isle, 1605 Militia Department
Classification of employees, ques. 3358 Permanent appointments, ques. 2079 Newsprint, 3227
Peace treaties-Anatolia and Smyrna, 3984 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3946 Drafting of Bill, 4041 Offices, rumoured closing of, 710 Taxation of pensions, 1895 Widowed mother, 427, 436, 4041, 4051 Arndt, ruled out of order, 4052 Profiteering, etc., 1146 Quebec
Ancient fortifications, 421, 427 Arsenal employees, ques. 1898 Bridge, ques. 1116, ques. 1229 Marine storehouse, ques. 316 Port, grain trade, 858 Riots of 1918, 1210
Returned soldiers, res. (Mr. Andrews) for Special Corm, 523 Shipbuilding, 661, 915
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, ques. 2311
Soldier Settlement, 2141-7, 2151, 3222-3 Vocational training and, 3223 Spirit Lake, 2398-9 Stewart farm, 3223
Prairie Provinces
Natural Resources, ques. 995, 1047, ques. 1461, 3049, 3292
Press, The, 4532.. See also Newsprint; Post Office; Censorship Murray, Mr. G. M. and the, 2753 Press Conference. See Imperial Press Gallery Reporters, 3747, 3750, 4411, 4503
Prevost, Mr. Jules E. (Terrebonne)
Automobiles, smuggled, ques. 807, ques. 1001
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Board of Commerce, ques. 996 Budget, 2771. Government and commissions, 27711; profits and cost of living-[DOT] Board of Commerce, 2772; increases in expenditure-Liberal' party and tariff revision, 2773; manufacturing industries Union Government, 2774; govts, made for the people, 2775 Civil Service Classification, ques. 24113 Customs war tax, ques. 1001 Dominion revenues, ques. 1001
Price Brothers. See Board of Commerce; Newsprint
Prime Minister, absence, illness, return, 137. See also Borden, Sir Robert Denial by Leader of Opposition of statement attributed to him, 80 Effect of absence on parliamentary government, 129
Head of Department, 4466 Illness, 63, 158 Portfolio, and, 4456 Return, inquiry concerning, 2126 Enters the House, 2316
Prime Ministers of Great Britain and Canada, correspondence, 3685
Pringle, Mr. R. A., resignation as Newsprint Controller, ques. 3.15, ques. 589. See also Newsprint
Printing
Dept, of Public, reorganization, 2968 Southam Press, ques. 4096
Printing Bureau, 84, ques. 320, 3742. Sec also Civil Service
Alleged Sunday work at, 4020 Commission of newspaper men and, ques. 1114
Dismissals, ques. 672 Wolff, Mr.-ques. 2005 Employees
Nationality of, ques. 2005 Retirement of, 545 Linotypes, ques. 670
Printing, Joint Committee, 2625 French-speaking member of Editorial Board necessary, 4503 Reports, 4257, 4321, 4504
Printing Plants, departmental, ques. 1738
Prisoners
Parolled, ques. 2005
Political, general amnesty to, 1790
Private Bills
Committee, 306, 2311 Discussed
Canada Security Assurance Company, 110.3	.
Colonial Investment and Loan Company, 3869
Northwest Route, Limited, 3661 Scottish Canadian Assurance Corporation, 583
T. Eaton Life Insurance Company, 669 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585 Western Assurance Company, 3860
Privileges and Elections, Com., 305
Privy Council
Board of Commerce and, 3685 Jurisdiction of, 2389. See Supreme Court Act Arndt.
Profiteering, by farmers, alleged, 3401
Prohibition, 44, 7:1, 102 As a principle, 1218, 1225, 1228 Canada Temperance Act, ques. 807 Taxes on liquors. See Inland Revenue; Special War Revenue
Promissory Notes, tax on. See Special War Revenue
Proportional Representation, 15, ques. 803
Proprietary Medicines. See also Food and Drugs; Opium and Drug; Special War Revenue
Taxes on, ques. 1036, 2487, 3542
Prorogation, 4589
Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)
Arrest or summoning of person outside province, 3417-8 Civil Service classification, 547 Desjardins, Mr. Alphonse, 30'93 Eight-hour day, 337 Food and Drugs Bill, 1266-8 Franchise Bill
Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1514
Chief Electoral Officer, 1512
Contributions, 781
Disqualification of candidates, 1088
Election expenses, 1154
Five-year term for Parliament, 1091
Ontario lists, 388.2
Polls-fourteenth day, etc, 1101
Proclamations, 1082
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Income tax, 3122-7
Indemnity of members, 3096, 3853-4, 4448 M. to strike out clauses, 4459 Judges' salaries, 3852-4, 4(337, 4421 M. for six months' hoist of Bill, 4417 Maple products, 1254 Parliament Buildings, 1418-21- 1434 Parliamentary restaurant, 3096 Race track betting, 3430-2 Rural mail, 1283, 4524-5 Salaries of Ministers, 4430 Soldier settlement, 2129-35 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill, 3577 Dresses, 3586-7 Excise and sales taxes, 3453 Musical instruments, 3629 Silk waists, 3632
Provincial Salaries and Indemnities, Taxation of, ques. 3490
Public Accounts Committee, 306-7, 1838, 4821
Public Debt, ques. 592, 753. See also Finance
Public Information Dept., ques. 1000, ques. 1740, 2639, 2999 Nichols, Mr. M. E., ques., 1118
Public Ownership, 93, 204. See also debates under Canadian National Railways; Grand Trunk
Business profits tax. See that title Electricity, 3113-7 Railways, of, 100
Public Works, 1417. For individual works see their titles
Agreement with Ottawa city, 557 Architectural and Engineering Branch, ques. 587
Canals. See that title Department, 1416 Minister, 557
Tache, Mr. C. E., superannuation, ques. 3490
Pulp and Paper. See also Customs Act; Newsprint Pulpwood, 148, 2552
Purchasing Commission, 44, 257, ques. 591, 3718, 3854-5, 4580
Res. to establish Purchasing Board, 1231, 1467
Pure Foods Bill, 3396
Putman, Mr., and Civil Service Commission, ques. 2414
Quarantine, 3554 Grosse Isle, ques. 1003 Sydney, 3148
Quebec (City)
Arsenal, employees, ques. 1898, ques. 3862 Board of Trade and Retail Merchants' Association-proposed taxes, 3457-8 Vessel rates, 1734	,
Champlain market, 2015 Fortifications, ancient, 421 Mail deliveries, ques. 591 Marine storehouse, ques. 316 Riots of 1918, M. (Mr. Parent) for papers, 1202
Quebec (Port) 650, 654-5, 661 Government Ships, cargoes for, 915 Grain shipments, 858
Harbour Commission, steam dredge, ques.
'	999
Immigrants landing at, 3226-8 Quebec (Province)
Canadian Northern lands in, ques. 2008 "Hour" of, 61, 67, 90, 143, 206 Military districts in, ques. 1035 People stay on the land, 94 Post ofiices in cities, ques. 413 Resources-timber, water-powers, 693 Tolerance, 90 Union government and, 83
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, ques. 506, ques. 1120; ques. 3619 Construction and operation, ques. 672 Freight rates, ques. 589 St. IrSnSe, 3423
Quebec and Western Railway, ques. 411; ques. 412
Quebec Bridge, ques. 1116; ques. 1229
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway, ques. 673, 4585
Quebec, Oriental and Atlantic Railway, ques. 411; ques. 412; ques. 507
Questions and Answers. See also House of Commons
Inquiry as to, 949, 2126 Oral answers to, 1623 Not answered, 753, 949 Canadian Government Merchant Marine 

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Canadian National Railways-Con. Equipment, 4191
Estimates discussion of, 4249-50 Grand Trunk loans, SSI. See also, under this title, Grand Trunk Hudson Bay Railway, 423*3 Insurance, 41257'
Intercolonial
Moncton office, 4268 Operation, 4247 Pension fund, 4248
Mackenzie and Mann, interest in subsidiaries, 4191
Maine Central connection, 3376 Management, 4189 Ministerial statement, 859 Prince Edward Island Railway, 891-2 Car ferry, 4246
Standardization of railway, 4247 Public ownership, 4190'
Rates, 4187
Reports of operations, 3086
Stations-shelters, 891
Subsidiaries, 33*89
Supplies, contracts for, 4193
Taxation of, 3393
Ties-list of contracts, 4251
Townsites, 4191
Withholding of information justified, 16*52-7, 1674, 168*4
Canadian National Railways Bill, 28*4*2, 3085, 3376-94, 4187-9*5
Cars. See under this title, Railways Capilano bridge, 3778 Carvill, Mr. George, 4226-8*
Civil Service Commission, 3139 Contracts signed by Government before submission to House, 1048 Dredging, 3781-90 Nova Scotia, 3786 Drill halls, 3148 Dry docks, 4567-72, 457*3 Experimental farms, 3156-8 Harm labour, 1227 Flags for public buildings, 3158 Port Frances public building, 3152 Fort William elevators-coarse grain shipments, 565 Graham's Run, 3159 Granby public building, 3*150 Grand Etang bridge, 3*780 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1113, 1311-8, 143*5-60, 1486-15,10 Administration, 4173 Branch lines, 13*14-8 Correspondence, 1235-53 Hinton, Mr. W. P„ 1311-2 Loan, 4579
Reid, Hon. John D.-Con.
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition-Con. London-Trafa'lgar square office, 1251 Montreal-Toronto line, 1491 Shareholders, list of, 34*26-7 Strike of 1910, 1542 Grosse Isle, 3151 Hamilton
Postal station, 3152 Post office, 3151	.
Hanna, Mr. D. B.
Cahill, Mr., and, 2380 Canada Steamships, Limited, and, 17*43 Highways Act, contribution to Ontario, 1047
Hull and Montreal highways, 1113 Hydro-Electric and Ontario Radial railway, 4172
Isle Verte, 3160
Kamloops public building, 3*156 Kingsville public building, 3153 Lachine lock bridge, 4*236 LotbiniOre and Megantic Railway, 950, 4585
Militia, Permanent force, barracks, 4579 Narrows, the, 3159 National parks, 3769-70 North Bay, shore protection, 3160 North Lake harbour, 3159 Oliver-St. Paul de Metis Railway, 344, 871 Ottawa buildings, fittings and furniture, 3154
Ottawa city, agreement with, 577-81, 988-92 Ottawa River conservation, 3779 Parliament Buildings, 1418-34, 315*3 Port Hood wharf, 3159 Port Maitland, 4579 Portage la Prairie public building, 3156 Postage stamps for inland revenue, 3737 Post Office Dept., 3736-7 Public buildings, none new, 3147-8 Public works, resident engineers, 3787 Purchasing Commission, 4580-2 Question-complaint of unsatisfactory answer-, 1047
Questions, inquiry as to, 2126, 2416 Railway Act Arndt. (Provincial Jurisdiction) 2412-13, 3634-6 Railway Mail Service, 4212 Railway rates, 864
Railways. See also, under this title, Canadian National; Grand Trunk Car shortage, 881-5, 1114
Proposed discussion in Railway Com., 885
Reports of, 1290 Taxation of profits, 863 Renfrew post office, 3151 Royal Military College, 3152-3
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St. Anne bridge, 3773-4 St. John Harbour, 4567 Public buildings, 3148-9 Scammel, Mr. J. D., 3785 Shenacadie wharf, 3159 Shipbuilding, 652
Spirit River wheat shipments, 566 Steel cabinets, 3155 Sydney Quarantine station, 3148 Toronto
Postal station, 3155-6 Union station, 3226 Vancouver public buildings, 3156 Williams Head quarantine, 3156 Reid, Mr. John F. (Mackenzie)
Bridges, 3770
Budget, 2744. Mr. Edwards and United Grain Growers, 2744; Mr. Elkin and tariff, 2745; business methods of United Grain Growers-export market a necessity, 2746; duties collected in Canada and in the United States- railways in Canada and in Great Britain, 2747; Mr. Stevens and the farmers, 2748; Mr. Stacey and duty on apples, 2749; difficulties faced by Minister of Finance-income, luxury and excise taxes, 2750; life insurance for returned soldiers-railways-immigration, 2751; Hudson Bay railway -Mr. G. M. Murray and the press, 2753
Campaign funds, 1226 Canadian National Railways Branch lines, 3384 Western extensions, 4232 Civil Service bonus, 1281 Commercial feeding stuffs, 3174 Duties on textile imports, ques. 1899 Experimental farms, 2398 Firearms licenses, 3414-5 Food and Drugs Bill, 1635 Franchise Bill Aliens-certificate, 2100 Disqualification
Charitable support, those receiving, 1817
Election expenses, 1932 Recall, the, 2041 " Rural polling division," 1993 Grand Trunk Railway, 1459 Newspaper postage, 3751 Returned soldiers, tubercular, ques. 2005 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4153 Soldier Settlement, 1687-8, 2130, 2137-8 Cattle branding, 1700
Reid, Mr. John F.-Con.
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Firearms, 3793 Proprietary medicines, 3794 Wheat meal, 3795 Steamship subsidies, 4282 Vessel rates, proposed regulation of, 1721, 1734-5
Religious Orders from France, 231, 261
Repatriation Committee. See Pensions
Reports tabled, 1199, 1229, 1289, 1357, 1405, 1460, 1573, 1738, 2311, 2571, 2625, 2840, 3225, 4258, 4502
Restaurant Parliamentary. See Parliamentary
Restigouche, Interprovincial bridge, ques. 411
Retail Merchants' Association of Canada Special War Revenue, 3342 Vessel rates, 1717
Retirement. See Civil Service
Returned Soldiers, 46, 68. See also Pensions; Re-establishment; Soldier Settlement; Civil Service; Dominion Lands Badges, 437-47
Cash Gratuities, ministerial statement, 1082
Federal emergency fund. ques. 2182 Fishery officers at Isle Madame, ques. 3294 Fishing industry and, 531, 855. See also Fisheries	*
Franchise-exemption from disqualification, 1811, 1820
Life insurance, 519, 524. See also State Insurance
Militia Department appointments, ques. 2079, ques. 3358
Saar Valley Commission and, 344 Special War Revenue-taxation and, amdt. (Mr. Lemieux) 3446 Tubercular, treatment of, ques. 2005 Unauthorized wearing of buttons, 4020 University students, 519 Vocational training, 534 War veterans, petitions from, 505 Work for at Victoria-shipbuilding, 4584
Returns
Delayed, 459
Inquiry fofc 618, 857, 3226, 4258, 3769
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1.	Business Profits War Tax Act, 1917,
Arndt. Bill. Res. 3111; lr„ 3117; 2r„ com., 3229; 3r„ 3237
2.	Customs Tariff Act, 1907, Amdt. Bill.
Res., 3110; lr„ 3111; 2r., com., 3174; 3r., 3229
3.	Income War Tax, 1917, Amdt. Bill. Res.
3117; lr., 3128; 2r„ com., 3237, 3296, 4288; 3r„ 4289
4.	Inland Revenue Act Amdt. Bill. Res.
3494; lr., 3498; 2r., com., 3815; 3r., 3821. Senate amdts. 4263
5.	Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill.
Res. 3316; 3434; 3561; lr., 3634; 2r., com., 3790; 3r., 4289. Senate amdts. 4505
Revenue and Expenditure. See Budget and debates thereon
Rhodes, Hon. Edgar N. (Cumberland) See Speaker
Richardson, Mr. Robert L. (Springfield) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 200. Freight rates, 200; Canadian Pacific and Canadian National Railways, effect of rate increases, 201; Grand Trunk Pacific, 202; public ownership of railways, 204; Union Government, Quebec and her "hour," 206; Hon. Mr. Crerar, 207; Liberals and the tariff, 208 Board of Commerce, 1947 Correspondence, 3427 Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4488 Canadian National Railways, 4199-4204; public ownership - Transcontinental freight rates increase-no political influence, 41199-4202 Rates, 1448
Conner, Mr. James, dismissal of, 415, 419 Electricity, public ownership, 3117 Franchise Bill-advance polls, 1934 Franking privilege, 37.67 French speeches, translation of, 702 Grand Trunk Railway, 1447, 1490 Income tax, charities, 3313 Morning sittings, 2723
National parks and game preserves, 3287 Newspaper postage, 3746-60 Press, the, and, 3752-3 Newsprint, price, 2828 Railway rates, 1499 Rural mail, 4524
Steel and shipping merger, 1945-S, 1965 Vote-late in entering Chamber, 4180
Rifle Ranges. See Militia
Rimouski
British mails and, 4530-2
Rinfret, Mr. Fernand (St. James)
Budget, 2756. Fresh mandate from the people-election of 1917-by-elections, 2756; race prejudice and class party- cost of living-farmers and prices, 2757; profiteering, 2758; the new taxes, 2759; United States luxury tax how imposed-criticism of public expenditure, 2760; St. James by-election-Mr. Meighen's address, 2761; Liberal party and tariff

good understanding with English-speaking citizens desired, 2762; Quebec a tolerant province-the prosperity desired, 2763 CressS, Mr. L. G. A., ques, 4502 Customs duties-basis of estimates, ques. 1788
Election and introduction, 1357 Franchise Bill
Poll, hours to be open, 1926 Proclamation-'language of publication, 2278, 2,282, 2291-2.
French treaty, ques. 1768 German and Austrian imports, ques. 2416, ques. 3359	,
Imports Into Canada, qdfes. 2182 Insurance companies, mutual, taxation of, 2012, 2080
Naval Service, additional appropriation of $1,700,000, 4391-2 Newspaper postage, 3750-1 Press gallery, 3750
Roumania and Greece, advances to, ques. 3488
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Beer, 3605
Excise and sales tax, 3835 Medals, gold, 3585 Musical instruments, 2595-6, 3628 Proprietary medicines, 3601
Riviera du Loup
Drill hall, 3726-7 Shops, ques. 315, ques. 801 Engine repairs, ques. 3079
Robb, Mr. James A. (Chateauguay-Hunting-don)
Alcohol, 3816-7 Apple barrels, 2018-21 Banff national park, 3769 Bankruptcy Bill, 3257
Budget debate, arrangements for, 2839-40, 2951
Business profits tax, 3234-7
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Canadian Wheat Board, 4120-5, 4134, 434257
Oats, effect on, 4357 Car shortage, 880-3 Coal operations director, 31179, 3367 Commercial feeding stuffs, 1290, 3164-5, 3405-7
Federal Bureau of Education, 1396 Fiset, Dr. Michel, 2016 Food adulteration, 3557 Fort William elevators, 566 Franchise Bill, election expenses, 1155 Grading export cheese and butter, 605 Grain and grain products in freight cars, ques., 1035
Grand Trunk Railway, 1311-2 Branch lines, 1316-20 Hinton, Mr. W. P„ 1311 Icebreakers, 1599
Immigrants from United States, ques. 1463 Income tax
Charities, 3241-6
Mistakes made in good faith, 3302-3 Penalties, 3254
Residence or investments1 outside Canada, 3249-51
Indian affairs estimates, 3265-6 Indians-enfranchisement, 4029-37 Live stock shipments inspection, 1614-5 Malt, 3818
Oleomargarine, 1782, 1970 Purchasing Board, 1468-70 Railway mail service, 4212 Retirement of members of public service, 3836
Returned soldiers' insurance, 4055 St. Lawrence route, insurance, 4515 Seed Grain advances, 3286-7 Shipbuilding
Cattle shippers, and, 910 "Where is the money to come from?" 915 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill, 3574 Bank overdrafts, 3799 Duties paid before changes, 3624 Real estate sales, 3796 Taxes, how paid, 3587 Steel and Shipping Merger, 1966 Sugar embargo, 3226 Welland canal, ques. 1200 Western parks roads, 3283
Robson, Judge H. A. See Board of Commerce
Ross, Mr. Duncan C. (West Middlesex) Automobile imports and excise, ques. 591 Chartered banks, ques. 591 Egg imports and exports, ques. 1898 Food and Drugs, 968, 975 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3873-4 Aliens-certificate, 2222-3, 2229-31 Ballot and counterfoil, 1105 Deputy returning officers, lists of, 1096-7 Disqualification - charitable support, those receiving, 1819 Forms, 3871-3 Liquor at elections, 1108 Ontario law and lists, 3880-92 Polling divisions, 1519 Returning officers, 1525-8 Voters' lists, provincial, 2419-27, 2438 Arndt., suggested, 2321 [DOT]
Voting on certificate, 1098-1100 Income tax, losses, 3241 Indians
Medical attendance, 3275-6 Munsees reserve, 3277 Rural credits, ques. 589 Soldier Settlement, 3193-4
Ross Rifle Factory, ques. 1898, ques. 2721, 3722
Sale to Enterprise Foundry, ques. 2415
Roumania,
Advances to, ques. 318, 3027 Bonds, interest on, ques. 3488 Purchases by, ques. 2414 Insurance on, ques. 1739 Ports of shipment, ques. 343 Shipments, ques. 312
Round Robin, 2967
Rowell, Hon. N. W. (President of the Privy Council and Minister of Public Health) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 254. Reply to Mr. Murphy, 254; Lake Superior Corporation, 256; War Purchasing Commission - appointments of members to Senate, 257; Secretarial fund, 258; allegation of evading tax, 260; religious orders from France, 261; Mr. Rowell and his colleagues, 262; Women's Conference, 262; Health Department-Union Government, 263 British mails, 4532
Budget, 2997. Answer to Mr. Mackenzie King-Sir Thomas White's administration of finances

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of Public Information and the Daily Record, 2999; Canadian Official Record, Bureau of Information, New York, 3000; "advances unaccounted for," 3001; Civil Service appointments, number of, 3005; decreasing staffs in the Civil Service, 3006; expenditure and income estimated, 3007; public debt, inflation, 3008; Government's record in the war-Canada in a higher position than ever before-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3009; Liberal Unionists' tariff record-tariff reduction, 3010; general election and franchise, 3011; Union Government's progressive measures-a tariff policy fair to all, 3012
Bulgaria. See, under this title, Peace Treaty Business of the House, private members' business, 539
Canada's national status, 498. See also, under this title, League of Nations; Peace Treaty Empire, in, 359
British connection maintained, 365 Canadian National Railways, mail contracts, 4530 Censorship, 396 Civil Service
Bonus, 1270-6, 3147, 3228 Classification, 548, 556, 1112, 3769, 3984 In force 1 April, 1919, 3142-7 Inside Service, 4019, 4172 Vote to pay increased salaries, 4546 Reduction of pay, 3137 Temporary employees, 3128-33 War record, civil servants with, 3129-31 Civil Service Act Amdt. Bill, 1112, 3146 Senate amdts. 4056-60 Third reading, discussion, 3147 Colonial and Imperial Conference, 359 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 617 Bill withdrawn, 1290-1 Daughters of Canada, case of, 397 Distressed mariners, 2251-9, 2260-7, 3102-5, 4056
Edmonton post office, theft from, 923, 4520 Eight-hour day, 449-54 European distress, 4546 Food adulteration, 3557 Food and Drugs Bill, 582, 956-79, 1256-69, 1465
Food inspectors, Nova Scotia, 3539-40 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2073-5, 2220-3, 2229-30 Disqualification of candidates, 1087 Government annuities, 4528
Rowell, Hon. N. W.-Con.
Health department, 263, 3539-57 Honey adulteration, 582, 798, 2314-5 House of Commons staff, 4414, 4567 ^Housing, 3543-52 Construction, 3546
Immigration-medical inspection, 3555 Information service, 4543-4 International Joint Commission, 3986 International Labour Conference, 798 Labour Conference at Washington, 356 League of Nations, 349 Ames, Sir Herbert, statement by, 3971-84 Assembly, the, 351
Budget of, Canada's contribution, 3982,
.	4544
Canada's interests and representation, 498, 3982
Decisions, enforcement of, 3975-6 Disarmament, 3976
French occupation of German territory, 1046	_
Labour, 354
Peace, maintenance of, 351 Phosphorus for matches, 356 Self-governing Dominions' status, 350 United States Senate reservations, 357 Letter-carriers' salaries, 345, 1276, 2670, 4529
Threatened strike-Government's attitude, 1231-2, 3424, 3623 Maple products, 582, 796-7, 1251-6, 2366, 4020
Marine hospitals, 3552-4 Naval Service, additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4388 News Service, 4532
Opium and Drug Bill, 557, 1621-2, 1629-49, 1702-7, 1745-61, 1900, 3081 Parcel post supervisor, 4530 Peace Treaty. See also, under this title. League of Nations Bulgaria, 498, 1057-61 France-protection	against Germany,
Hungary and Turkey, 10*59-60, 3983-4 Pensions and Re-establishment, 435 Special Com., 614, 752 Pensions district offices, rumoured closing of, 710, 8*57
Pollution of boundary waters, 3552 Postal employees' salaries, 2670, 4526-30.
See also, under this title, Letter Carriers Postmen. See, under this title, Letter Carriers
Printing Bureau Economies in, 3006 Sunday work, 4020 Proprietary medicines, 354*2
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Route and Channel-Con.
Navigation season, 916 Steamship service, 652
St. Louis, Mr. Horace and translation of Revised Statutes, 3082
St. Malo. shops, ques. 3079, ques. 3618
St. Peter River
Floods, 889, ques. 1115 Work on, ques. 4019
St. Quentin and Theriault, N.B., catastrophe, 3080
St. Regis Indians, ques. 799
St. Romuald, ques. 2005
St. Valier Wharf, ques. 1231
St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary. See Labrie
Ste. Anne Soldiers' hospital, ques. 588
Ste. Anne de Beaupre Wharf, ques. 506
Ste. Anne de Bellevue Military Hospital, ques. 1115
Ste. Famille Wharf, ques. 317, ques. 810
Ste. Rosalie-Bagot spur line, ques. 2009
Saar Valley Commission, 3*44, 3963, 3974, See also League of Nations
Saguenay River
Buoys, ques. 1000 Dredging, ques. 673
Sailors. See Canada Shipping Act
Salaries Act and House of Commons Act Arndt. Bill. Res. 4379; lr„ 4380; 2r., 4427; com., 4456; 3r., 4459
Sales Tax. See Special War Revenue
San Remo Conference, 1465
Savard, Mr. Edmond (Chicoutimi-Saguenay) Bersimis-Rimouski Service, ques. 1463 Budget, 2870. Union Government-congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2871; the new taxes and cost of living -profiteering 

 Canada's liabilities, 2872; tariff revision-unfair treatment of Chicoutimi and Saguenay by Government, 2873; St. Catharine-Tadous-sac mail, 2874; Metabetchouan postmastership, 2876; Liberal fiscal policy approved, 2879
Savard, Mr. Edmond-Con.
Chicoutimi, military expedition to, ques. 409
Hebertville-St. Joseph d'Alma, mail, ques. 1000
Inspector of weights and measures, ques. 4096
Malbaie-Tadoussac service, ques. 674 Metabetchouan postmaster, ques. 1120 North Point lighthouse, ques. 1361 Post offices in Quebec cities, ques. 413 Saguenay River Buoys, ques. 1000 Dredging, ques. 673
St. Lawrence North Shore municipalities, 922, ques. 1116
Soldiers serving in Bermuda, ques. 1461 Telegraph operators, government, ques. 2182
Scammell, Mr. J. K., 3784 Scenic attractions, 3538-9 Schelking, Baron, ques. 3618
Scientific Research, 14, 43, 324
Committee, Special, 617, 2154
Scott, Mr. F. S. (South Waterloo)
Canadian National Railways, withholding of information, 1676 Income tax-charities, 3313 Race track betting, 3430
Scrap Iron and Steel, sale of, ques. 1739
Screenings, ques. 704. See also Commercial Feeding Stuffs; Elevators; Grain Accumulation at elevators, 3395 Export to United States, 3167
Secret Diplomacy. See Debates tinder League of Nations; Peace Treaties
Seduction. See Criminal Code
Seed Branch, 2411
Seed Grain
Advances, ques. 321, ques. 2519 Alberta, ques. 674
Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117
Seguin, Mr. Paul A. (L'Assomption-Mont-calm) *
Budget, 3075. Extravagant expenditure, 3075; so-called luxury taxes-neglect of agriculture-Imperial navy, 3076; lighten people's burden-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3077
Income tax-provincial salaries, ques. 3490
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Sinclair, Mr. John E. (Queen's, P.E.I.)
Canadian National Railways-Prince Edward Island car ferry-standardization of railway-Georgetown-Pictou route 

labour conditions - Prince Edward Island representative on Board of Management, 41243-6 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3.174 Franchise Bill, voters' lists, provincial, 23619-60	,
Govt, steamers, wages, 1598-9 Graham's Run, 3159 Hickey's wharf, 706 Icebreaker and car ferry, 1602 Judges' salaries, 3854 Maple products, 797 Newfoundland, 4280 North Bake harbour, 3il59 Soldier Settlement, 2132 Wrecks, 1612
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Antigonish and Guys-borough)
Advances not accounted for, 2641, 3652-3 Alcohol tax-effect on science, 349 6 Antigonish and North Sydney public works, ques. 543, ques. 1004
Army boots and shoes, ques. 506, ques. 1229
Auditor General's report, 42 7 4 Banks, chartered, Government receipts from, ques. 1001
British Columbia Indians, 788-90, 9'5il-3 British preference, ques. 811 Budget, 2636. Cessation of borrowing, 2636; checking waste and extravagance- Union party, 2637; how expenditure might be reduced, 2639; Dept, of Public Information, 2639; Militia advances unaccounted for, 2641; many appointments to the Civil Service, 2642; Liberal tariff platform - parliamentary ' govt., 2643 Buoy service, 2116-7
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Coal, ques. 1023 Earnings, ques, 1359 Freight rates, ques. 2009 Information withheld, complaint of, 1649 Shareholders, ques, 2011 Canadian National Railways Deficit, 880-90
Eastern Nova Scotia and, 3377-8 Ships and, 897, 904
Sinclair, Mr. John H.-Con.
Canadian National Railways-Con. Taxation of, 3394 Western extensions, 3387-8 Canadian News Service at Washington, ques. 414
Canadian Northern Railway, arbitration, ques. 2008, ques. 3488 Canadian Railway War Board, ques. 508 Canadian Wheat Board, 4345-50 Central Vermont Railway, ques. 1035 Chartered Banks, money received from, ques. 1061
Civil Service, 3)132 -40 Appointments; ques. 311 Classification, 3144 Employees, number of, 2642, 3145-6 Insurance, 1780
Temporary employees, ques. 415, 3132-40 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3367 Cold storage, 2407 Dominion lands, ques. 1118 Dredging, 3783 Exchequer Court, 2201 Extension of trade, 1881, 1884-5 Fisheries	4
Overseers and guardians, 3522-3 United States, treaty with, ques. 1002 Pood inspectors, 3539-40 Franchise Bill
By-elections, simultaneous, 1093 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1070 Constables, 3907 Election officers, 1075 Fees, etc., 1111
False statement made to affect election, 1066-7
Interpretation, 1991-2 Oaths, administration of, 780 Poll books, etc., to returning officer, 1079 Proclamation, 1081 Recount by judge, 1110 Returning officers, 1575 * Voters' lists
Addition and elimination of names, 3909-13
Preparation-partisanship complained of, 3906
Provincial, 2328-30, 2338, 2360, 3883-4, 3894
Transfer of voters, 3904 Voting on certificate, 1100-1 Government steamers-purchases for, 1610 Government vouchers, loss of at sea, ques. 3489
Guysborough harbour, 2124 Halifax grain elevator, ques. 1116 Health Dept.-variety of its business, 3541
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Honey adulteration, 2315 (Housing, 3547 Expenditure
Demobilization vote, and, 3544-5 Ontario, adjustments with, 3551 Imperial Munitions Board, ques. 1002 Income tax, part payment with return, 3254
Indemnity of members, 4448
Inquiry for returns, 857, 4259
Intercolonial Provident Fund, ques. 509
Judges' salaries, 4340
Lightkeepers' salaries, 2113-4
Loan Companies Act, 1779
Lobsters
Hatcheries employees, ques. 4096 Illegal fishing, ques. 410 Marine hospitals, 3553
Market price of Government bonds, ques. 1462
Masters and mates, 981	'	[DOT]
Militia, 3674 Annual drill, 3681 Contingencies, 3716 Customs brokers, 3716 Rifle associations, 3725 Morrisons' Ltd. ques. 997 Newspaper postage rates, 3348 Nichols, Mr. M. E., ques. 1118 Ottawa city, agreement with, 990 Paper Currency, gold standard, ques. 309 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3941 Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044
Widowed mother, dependent parents, 4043 Pictou,
East river lock, ques. 1119 Harbour, 2187 Pilotage, 1839, 1968, 2119-20 Postal rates, 3736-7
Public Information Dept., ques. 1000, ques. 1740
Railway rates, 1036 Registration of shipping, 1614, 2109 Retirement of members of public service, 3827, 3833
Returns, delayed, 459 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3211 Peiisions, 398
St. Lawrence dredging, 1617-20 Schools of navigation, 1612-3 Seed grain advances, ques. 2519, 3286-7 Shipbuilding, Govt.
Assets and liabilities, 896 Contracts and prices, 894, ques. 2573 Trade, tariffs and, 897
Sinclair, Mr. John H.-Con.
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3989-92, 4006, 4009-15, 4157-8, 4166
Sick and distressed mariners, 2254-5, '	2264-6
Soldier Settlement
Fishermen and, 1690, 3218-9 Staff of dept. 3221 Special War Revenue-candy, 3594 Steamers
"A. J. McKee," ques. 587, 910 " Recruit," ques. 1199 " Voyageur," insurance, ques. 2776 " 33," ques. 410
Steamboat inspection, 1051, 1763-4, 2125
Terminal elevators, 1878-9
Turk-expulsion of from Europe, ques. 409
Unforeseen expenses, 1616
Vancouver, B.C., ques. 3620
Victoria, B.C., dry dock, ques. 3619
Winter fishing, 1609
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 310S-9
Skeena River Hatchery, ques. 412
Slidemaster, 1279
Slums, 816
Smith, Mr. J. E., Ques. 2722
Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario) Demonstration stations, 1016 Franchise Bill, provincial lists, 3892 Rural mail carriers, 4523 United Grain Growers and the farmers, 2745
Smyrna and Anatolia, 3984
Soldier Organizations and Pension Board employees, ques. 1116
Soldiers. See also Returned Soldiers Canadian prisoners, ques. 1462 Services of Dominion overseas, resolution of British House of Commons, 1159 Votes-effect in general election, 140 Widows and children of, ques. 920. See also Pensions
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment. See also Demobilization; Reconstruction Dept. 513, 520, 524, ques. 2311 Officials travelling, ques. 2311 Prospective ending of, 4456 Report in French ready for distribution, 2129
Report of Com. not printed in French as ordered, 2016
Smith, Mr. J. E., ques. 2722
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Colonization lots in Montmagny, ques. 1229 Ministerial explanation in Supply, 3192
Soldier Settlement Act, 1919, Arndt. Bill, lr., I:2'8i9; 2r., 1685; com., 1685; 3r„ 1839
Sorel
Government employees at, ques. 1199 Shipyard, 1620, ques. 2180 Superintendent, ques. 343 Vandal, Mr. Calixte, ques. 1740
Soulanges Canal Road, ques. 999
Southam Press Limited, ques. 4096
Sovietism. See Bolshevism
Sparrow, Dr. C. J., ques. 1896
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)
Rulings and Statements of
Amendments, consequential, 2315 Bills
Com., ref. back to-unanimous consent, 4264
Divorce, charges, 4321, 4413 Introdueible only by resolution-ref. to trade, 2079
Introduction-not in "Notices of Motion," 1216
Not printed in French, 1152 Resolution adopted, but notice of motion for first reading possibly required, 1229
Senate amendments taken seriatim, 4059 2r
Declared1 carried, debate closed, 395 Member may speak only once, 3833 Principle only to be discussed, 3827 Same day as lr., 4341 3r
Arndt, by House without ref. again to Com. 1537
Consequential amd'ts. 2815 Same day as Com. stage, 2204 Budget debate
Arndt, not to limit debate, 2518 Debate on Thursday and Friday, 2576 Com. suggested for convenience in asking questions-League of Nations, 3971
Comment on documents criticising members, 235
Debate closed by mover, 436, 446, 1137, 1966, 2316, 3102
Exception, by unanimous consent, 2784
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)- Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Debate closed by mover-Con.
Rule inapplicable, 2315 Mover of amdt. 3956 3r. of Bill, 2251 Debates, Official Report of Insertion of documents not read, 363, 364, 1416, 1890, 3932 Question standing as order for return, 1743 Decorum,
Conversation, 2316, 4367 Cowardice, imputation of, 66-7 Noise-building operations, 345 Estimates, item in, debate on, 2467 Hartney, Mr. E. P., 4566 House of Commons
French language, status of, 1039-44 Honour of impugned by statement outside-Rev. Dr Speer, 3491, 3557 Officials and Staff
Organization and classification, 859, 10 3 7 - 45 , 3 0 9 2 - 9, 450 4, 4 5 63 -7 Pages, 3099
Side lobbies, admission of strangers to, 1629
Hypothetical against direct statement, 259
Imputation against a member, 234, 2846 Inquiry for report ordered in French, 2126
Interruptions, 457, 480, 734, 737, 1653, 1709-10
Board of Commerce, 4496-7 Language	-
"A void in their craniums," 737 "Deliberate falsehood," 2749 "Falsehood," 259 "Mean," 529
"Meanly and untruthfully alleging," 233
"Representatives

the stigma they
have left upon themselves," 547 Retracted but afterwards referred to, 774
"Shameless" and words of like character, 235
"Spoke with a brief for the great Massey-Harris corporation," 2627 "Uttered a falsehood deliberately,*' 2845-6 Members
Asking for answer to question, 2179 Giving way by courtesy, 759 How to be referred to, 50, 528 Mover limited in reply, 1966
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Members-Con.
Not having the floor, not to be'inter-rogated, 528
Right to speak exhausted, 1561, 1572, 1676, 2315, 2702, 4060 Speaking, may not interrogate another, 2631-2
Speaking, may submit questions, 2702-4
To speak only once on a motion, 1466, 1656-7 Motions
Negative, amdt., 4061 Non-debatable	,
Adjourning debate, 1017, 2840, 4062 Those moved by unanimous consent, 2626
Those taken up under arrangement of no debate, 2014
Notice not given-unanimous consent necessary, 2023, 2177, 2575, 2626 Consent refused, M. stands as notice, 2575
Public expenditure, calling for, 3933 Seconder absent, 418 Successive to adjourn debate, 2840 To adjourn for' purpose of discussing matter of urgent, etc.
Steel and shipping merger, 1945-6 Coal shortage, 3685-6 Unnecessary
Authorizing Com. to sit, it not having reported finally,- 2776 Withdrawn on understanding of reference, 437
Non-debatable subjects
Com., matters pending before, 3652-3 Report, presentation of, 4257-8 Subjects already debated, 3686 Notice of motion covering question in Votes and Proceedings, 2723 Notice of motion, undesirability of general debate-unanimous consent for Leader of the Opposition, 2178 Orders of the Day
Debate limited, 33, 230, 231, 710, 856, 1045, 1573, 1896, 2179, 2248, 2968, 3228, 3296
Application must be general, 3424 Appropriateness of matter, 1574, 2476, 1742, 3561, 3423, 3769 Argument, 3427
Labrie Brothers, case of, 3560-1 Letter carriers, 1232 Ministerial statements, 708-9
In the nature of making out a case, 3425
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Orders of the Day-Con.
Debate limited-Con.
Replying, latitude allowed in, 3425 Question to be summarized, 3295 Question only partly answered, 753 Question to the House disallowed, 1743
Stoneham, Finlay, case of, 568 Unanimous consent refused, debate not permissible, 2082 Parliamentary restaurant, 3094-6 Previous debate, 1217, 1675, 4417, 4431-2 Coal question, 3686 Privilege
Non-personal reflections, excluded from, 1231
Question may not be raised when another^ member 'has the floor, 529, 2838 Ref. to proceedings of Com. which has not reported, 2081 Questions
Answer of Government to be accepted, 753, 1743
Not to be altered by another member;
notice to be given, 510 Passed as orders for returns, 1743 At option of Government, 511 Permission not needed to place on Order Paper, 1047 Portion deleted, 1045 Reference to answering-appropriate occasion, 1047, 2416 Standing for Member's revision, 2413 To Chairman of a Committee, and without notice, 2843
Quotations containing language forbidden under the rules, 234-6 Reading of Speeches, 2966 Recognizing members-Mr. Jacobs, Mr. McDonald, 3026, 3039 Relevancy, 734-5, 750-1, 1573, 1954, 3177, 4060
Address, debate on-Budget debate should not be anticipated, 129 Civil Service and patronage, 547 Debate on motion to adjourn for the purpose of discussing, etc., should be strictly relevant, 1951 Judges' salaries and indemnity of members, 4417 Limits of debate, 2468 Naturalization and franchise, 771 Pensions report-general election, 3946 Report not printed in French as ordered, 2016
Speer, Rev. Dr., statement of, 3491, 3557
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Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)-Con. Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Supply-Committee of Thursday procedure, 3686 Saturday procedure, 3840, 4275 Unanimous consent, 181, 617, 2078, 2625, 3956, 4060, 4321. See also, under this title, Debates, Official Report of, insertion, etc.
Adjournment to fixed time, moved without notice, 304 Customs Act, 3620 M. (Mr. Lemieux) Coal Supply, 3686 Mr. Mackenzie King on Canadian representative at Washington, 2178 Speech of mover not close of debate, 2784
Statement concerning Com. not otherwise permitted, 2081-2 Unauthorized distribution of documents in <House, 1744 Vote-member late, 4180 Wednesday evening sittings, 1045
Speaker's Chair
Offer of gift from the Lords and Commons of the United Kingdom, 3224
Speech from the Throne debated. See Address
Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill. Res. 3316; 3334; 3561; lr., 3634; 2r., com., 3790; 3r., 4289; Senate amendments, 4505 Arrangements for debate, 3617, 3631, 3454 Consideration in detail, 3487-8 Changes proposed, 3345 When effective, 3335, 3607, 3629 Clauses and subjects
" Consumer," definition of, 3795 Effect on prices, 3329, 3340 Importations, 3795 Licenses, 3579, 3600, 4290 Jewellers, 3579 Manufacturer, small, 3797 Manufacturer's agent, 3609 Merchandise not delivered on May 19, 3613
Penalties, 4290 Refunds, 3629, 3607 Retail Merchants' Association, 3342-Revenue from estimated sources, 3332-3 Sales, one or two per cent tax; res., 3608
Stamp taxes and stamps, 3626-7, 3800, 4290
Stocks in trade, 3604 Taxes,'how paid, 3587
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Used to make vinegar, 3604 Binder twine, 3610, 3623 Biscuits, 3460
Boats, canoes, yachts, etc., 3588 Boots, 3563-5, 3585 Breakfast foods, 3795 Bric-a-brac 3576 Candy and confectionery 3592 Carpets and rugs, 3577, 3585 Cattle feed, 3473 Chandeliers, 3578, 3597 Chewing gum, 3594 Cigarholders, etc., 3576 Clocks and watches, 3574 Clothes, 3563
Made to order, 4290 Coats, fur, 3791-3
Collars and collarettes of lace, 3574, 3792
Containers, 3615, 3632
Curtains, 3578
Dresses, except silk, 3586-7
Electrical supplies, 3460
Embroideries, 3573
Firearms, 3594, 3793
Food, 3616, 3795
Fountain pens, pocket knives, etc., 3577, 41289
Furniture, 3574
Furs, 3400, 3569, 3791-2
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3596
Glassware, 3569
Gloves, 3568
Hats and caps, 3438, 3453, 3574, 3562, 3565-6, 3790, 4290 Hosiery, 3791
Jams and marmalade, 3796 Jewellery, 3338, 3578 Licenses, 3579
Departmental stores, 3583, 3617 Medals, 3585
Wedding rings, 3584, 3797	'	,
Kimonas, petticoats and waists, 3790 Lace, 3573, 3791-3 Collars, 3574, 3792
Liquor and preparations containing alcohol, 3600 Liquor cabinets, etc, 3793 Meats, 3473 Moving pictures, 3627 Musical instruments, 3460-1, 3595-7, 3628
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Plated ware, 3570	*
Playing cards, 3599 Promissory notes, 3624 Proprietary medicines, 3600, 3627, 3794 Purses and pocketbooks, 3563 Real estate sales, 3796 Ribbons (including typewriter ribbons) 3473, 3574
Sales tax, 2487, 3608, 3794 Silk
Clothing, 3790 Dresses, etc., 3562, 3632 Fabrics, 3572 Split peas, etc., 3795 Spirits and medicated wines, 3793 Sporting goods, 3569, 357l2 Socks and stockings (silk)
Men's and boys, 3566 Women's, 3567 Stock transfers, 3624, 3800 Suits, women's, 3587 Tobacco pipes, 4289 Toiletware, 3576 Tooth washes, 3794 Umbrellas, 3568 Underwear, 3453-4, 3791, 3368 Wedding rings, 3584, 3797 Wheat meal, 3795-6
Speer, Rev. Dr. and Race Track legislation, 3490, 3557
Spence, Rev. Ben., 1218, 1227
Spinney, Mr. Edgar K. (Yarmouth and Clare) Budget, 2711. Congratulations to Finance Minister-Canada's war service, 2711; business profits tax, 2712; Canada's agriculture and fisheries, 2713; Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2714 Port Maitland, 4579
Spirit Lake, 566, 2398
Springs. See Irrigation Act Amdt.
Stacey, Mr. F. B. (Fraser Valley)
Alien immigrants, 8123
Budget, 2618. British Columbia farmers, 2618; British Columbia resources-the team spirit-change of attitude on trade question, 2619; orchard industry, 2620; American competition with Canadian fruit growers, 2621; head tax, 2623
Stacey, Mr. F. B.-Con.
Campaign funds, 1225 Franchise Bill, Orientals, 1823 Hearing in the Chamber, suggested rearrangement of seats, 394 Indians, British Columbia, 4021, 4037 Inspection and Sale-Fruit containers, 2021 Oleomargarine, 1858 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 394-5 Soldier Settlement, 2141
Stamp taxes, 2487
Standing Orders, Com. appointed, 305
State Insurance for Returned Soldiers' Bill.
Res., 3864, 3958; lr., 3958; 2r., com., 4054; 3r., 4056; Senate amdts., 4466
Statistical Department, 1879, 3296
Statutes, proposed revision, 38121
Steamboat Inspection, 2125. See also Canada Shipping Act Amdt.
Steamers. See Vessels
Steamship Companies, proposed Govt, supervision of, 2013
Steamship Services
Canadian National Railway vessels, services, ques. 342 Campbellton-Gaspe, ques. 342 Charlottetown, 4280 Halifax-Cape Breton, 4281 Dockeport-Froude's Point, 45(14 Magdalen Islands, 649-52 Malbaie-Tadoussac, ques. 674 Montreal-Quebec-Gaspe, ques. 587 Mulgrave-Canso, 4515 New Zealand, 4277 Newfoundland, 4277, 4281 South Africa, 4280
Victoria-Vancouver West Island, 4280 Victorla-Skagway, 4514
Steel Industry, 623, 629, 648. See also Shipbuilding
British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777, 4010
Steel and shipping merger, 1895 Debate on M. to adjourn House, 1945
Steele, Mr. Michael (South Perth)
Alien immigrants, 812, 838 Board of Commerce resignations, 4258 Civil Servants with war record, 3130-1 Franchise Bill, voters' lists, 2440 Magazine postage rates, ques. 1898 Press, the, and postal rates, 3745-50, 3761 Retirement of members of public service, 3834
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Rulings and statements as Chairman Relevancy, 3219-20, 3680, 3713 Scientific research, 2169 Southam Press, Ltd., ques. 4096
Stefansson Expedition, ques. 704, 3284
Stein, Mr. Adolph (Kamouraska)
Criminal Code-petty thefts, 3420 Election and introduction, 949 House of Commons staff, 1041 Income tax Appeals, 3243
Exemptions on account of children, 3298 Lightlceepers' salaries and bonus, 1282, 2110
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, ques. 3619
RiviSre du Loup drill hall, 3726
Stenographers, Members', salaries of, ques, 2311
Sterling, payments to C.E.F., ques. 2008
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver Centre) Alcohol, tax on, 3495
Bill, introduction of-point of order, 1216 Budget, 2589. Minister of Finance and his critics-revenue and expenditure, 2589; foreign credits

Liberals and Liberal-Unionists, 2590; tariff as discussed by spokesman for the Opposition, 2591; war wealth taxation amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 2593; tariff reform, 2594; Farmers' platform, 2595; farmers and the sale of wheat, 2596; business profits taxes, 2598; elevators-political campaign contributions, 2599; income tax-the Budget and direct taxation, 2601; Wheat Board and wheat trade, elevators, etc., 2602; public debt and natural resources, 2603 Canadian Wheat Board, ques., 3294, 4104, 4112	/
Civil Service classification, ques. 674 Civil Service retirement, 3838 Debates-difficulty in hearing, 1416 Eight-hour day, 335 Fisheries-British Columbia, 3521 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3875 Aliens-certificate, 2089-91, 2094 Polling divisions, 1520 Returning, officers, 1534 Grain trade. See under this title, Canadian Wheat Board
Indemnity of members, 4089 Military training, 3707-8
Stevens, Mr. H. H.-Con.
Militia, Cadet service, 3707-8 Naval Service
Badges, ques., 506
Debate on estimates-delay, 4411-2 Parliament Buildings, 1416 Purchasing govt, supplies, ques. 591 Returned soldiers' res. for special Com.- pensions, students, vocational training, 532
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 388, 395 Veterans and Pensions, 397, 3201 Sick and distressed mariners, 2253-4, 2263-4, 3099, 3105
Soldier Settlement-soldiers who remained in Canada, 1686 Special War Revenue Bank overdrafts, 3798-9 Changes by Finance Minister, 3438, 3448 Water carriage of goods, 1213-6 Regulation of, 1723-7 Young, Mr. F., ques. 2313
Stewart, Mr. J. A. (Lanark)
Opium and Drug Bill, 1632, 1637, 1640, 1645,
1648,	1703, 1744-9, 1754-9 Special War Revenue
Proprietary medicines 3601-6 Sales taxes, 3611
Stewart, Mr. Thomas J. (West Hamilton) Jams and marmalade, 3796 Letter carriers, 1232 Vessel rates, 1709, 1727
Stewart, Mr. W. J., 3985
Stoneham, Finlay, 567
Strikes. See also Grand Trunk; Industrial Disputes
How authorized in certain cases, 1902 Trial of Winnipeg parties, ques. 2181
Subsidies and	Bounties-Farmers' party
position, 899
Sugar
Embargo on, 3226 Importations, ques. 2009 Price, 1896
Superannuation. See Civil Service Supply Bills. See Appropriation Acts
Supply, Committee of, 880, 1296, 1416, 1598,
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Debate in, arrangements for, 1597, 1602, 1615
Ordered, 304
Subjects and items debated Agriculture, 2382 Institute of, 2411
Minister, statement and review by, 2366 Bounties Act administration, 1877 British Columbia lighthouses, 1616 Canada Grain Act administration, 1877 Canada Year Book, 1879 Canadian National Railways, 4181 Civil Government, 859 Civil Service bonus, 1209'
Cold storage, 2407
Culling timber, 1877
Customs, 3858
Dairying industry, 240*3
Distressed seamen, 1613
Dominion lands and parks, 3*283, 3769
Entomological Branch, 2401
Experimental Farms, 2382, 2390, 2412
External affairs, 3973
Fisheries, 3'5'2*1
Flax, 1886
Gas and Electricity inspection, 18*87 Health Dept., 3539	*
Immigration and Medical inspection, 35*55 Indians, 3265
Industrial and Scientific Research, 1886
Interior Dept., 3192
Justice, 3840
Labour Dept., 4506
League of Nations, 3961
Lighthouses, 2110
Live stock, 1614
Marine hospitals, 3552
Marine, unforeseen expenses, 1615
Masters and mates, 1610
Meat and canned foods, 2411
Method of voting, 108. See also Estimates
Militia, 365*4, 3702
Mines and Geological Survey, 380*1
Naval affairs, 350*7
Naval service, 4*291, 4380
Navigation schools, 1612
Northwest territories, 3280
Ocean and river service, 1598, 2103
Patent record, 1886
Pilotage, 2119
Pollution of boundary waters, 3552 Post office, 4501
Public buildings, Nova Scotia, 3147 Public works, 1416, 3769 Quarantine, 3554
Railways and canals, 880, 2378, 4181
Supply, Committee of-Con.
Subjects and items debated-Con. Registration of shipping, 1614 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3194 St. Lawrence ship channel, 1616 Seed Branch, 2*411 Shipbuilding, 618
Soldier Settlement, 2127, 2151, 3190 Sorel shipyard, 1620 Statistics-census, 1879 Steamboat inspection, 212*5 Steamship subsidies, 4277 Terminal elevators, 1878*
Trade, extension of, 1880 Wharves, 2122
Wrecks-investigations, 1612 Wrecking plants, 1615, 2103 Yukon, 32*31
Supreme Court, judgment in re Board of Commerce, 3*68*5
Supreme Court Act Arndt, lr., 2003-4; 2r., 2315; com., 2317; 3r„ 2389
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford) Agricultural Gazette, 10*85 Budget, 29,10. Congratulations to Finance Minister-Sir Robert Borden's return -Mr. Trahan-Canada's part in the war, 2*911; Mr. Fielding's amdt. and address, 2912; Mr. Crerar's resignation from the Government, 2913; the recall *-Mr. Crerar and farmers' organizations in Ontario, 2914; political organizations on class lines, 2915; farmers' delegation on conscription; Sir Wilfrid Laurier's policy in 1917-the Government and tariff revision, 2916; England and Canada compared as to tariff conditions, 2917; United Grain Growers, Limited, its policy and profits, 2919; elevator screenings, 2920; record of Mr. Crerar and Mr. J. F. Reid-dairy industry and Mr. Crerar's administration, 29*21; agriculture in Ontario, abandoned farms, 2922; overcrowding of cities everywhere, 29123; Canada's war record-conscription, 29*2*4; Canada will carry on, 2*925
Business Profits tax, public utilities, 3236-7 Butter in cold storage, ques, 543 Campaign funds-Grain Growers, United Farmers, 1227
Canadian Wheat Board, 4125, 43*43-4, 43*56-6 Civil Service, bonus, 1277, 128*2-4 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3167-73, 33953409
Analysis, ques. 922
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Eight-hour day, 384
Industry and agriculture, 453 Experimental farm system, ques. 1360 Ontario, 4560
M. for extension, 1005, 1014 Pood and Drugs Bill, 965 Pood shortage, threatened, 1845 Franchise Bill-Indians, 2056 Grain elevators, ques. 3862 Indemnity of members, 4095 Inspection and Sale Act-containers, 2021 Mining resources-prospectors, 381'2-National Council of Women, declaration by, 1841
Oleomargarine, 1840-75 Re-claimed screenings, ques. 507 Registration postal rate, and-express companies, 3744
Rural mail carriers, 1233, 1282-4 Soldier Settlement, 2131 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill- License, small manufacturer, 3797 Threat to members by outsiders, 1743 United Grain Growers' Limited, ques. 902 Sydney, Quarantine station, 3143 Syrians in Canada, ques. 3862 Tache, Mr. Charles Eugene, ques. 3490 Tache, Mr. J. de L., 4505
Taft, ex-President, and Grand Trunk Railway, 3490
Tariff. See also Address; Budget; Customs, Special War Revenue French Treaty. See that title Prices, 227
Reduction of-amdt. (Mr. Fielding) to Budget, 2510 7% per cent, ques. 1001 Tobacco, duties on, ques. 1114 Tariff Changes, 2490 Taxation. See also Revenue Bills Business profits, ques. 314 Civil Service income by Ottawa city. Se6 Ottawa City Agreement Bill Customs. See also Tariff 7% per cent, ques. 1001 Direct or indirect, 128, 167 Excess profits, ques. 2012 Govt, railway property, of, 580-1, 3893 Income, 123, 227
Forms in French, 1084, 1573 Incomes over $100,000, ques. 3490 Inspector at Kingston, ques. 2181 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586
Taxation-Con.	-
Income and profits, collection, ques. 806 Indemnity of members. See that title Land, 128, 177, 220, 228, 2612, 2883, 2888 Single Tax, 1120, 2651-7, 2706 Luxuries, 2615. See also Special War-Revenue Mines, 128, 3810
Mutual Insurance Companies, ques. 2012 Provincial and Federal, 833 Provincial salaries and indemnities, ques. 3490
Railway profits, 865 Real estate transfers, 3796 War profits, 189, 302 War taxes, ques. 1001 War tax stamps, ques. 807 Waterfront privileges, 128 Wealth, 2527
Taxes, municipal payment by Dominion. See Ottawa City agreement
Technical Education, 43, 53
Government assistance, ques. 2519
Technical Education Bill. lr„ 1290; 2r„ com., 1761; 3r., 1762
Telegraphs and Telephones, 4577 Govt, contracts, ques. 1627 Govt, operators, bonus, ques. 2182 Rates appeal, ques. 2009
Temiscouata Railway, ques. 674
Textiles, duties on imports, ques. 1899. See also Customs
Theodore D'Acton Post Office, ques. 2011
Theriault and St. Quentin catastrophe, 3080
Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 76. Parliament Buildings, 76; Orders in Council and Yukon- stability of Upion Government, 77; industrial prosperity and popular unrest-high cost of living and the remedy, 78; Canada and Canada's achievements-local representation in the Cabinet, position of (Hon. Mr. Blondin, 79; proposed general election -Leader of the Opposition on the health of the Prime Minister, 80; hopes for Prime Miniser's restoration to health, 81 Franchise Bill
Disqualification of candidates, 1088 " Rural polling division," 1993
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Franking privilege, 3357 Opiuin and Drug Bill, 1631-2 Scientific research, 2160 Stefansson expedition, ques. 704 Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3107-9
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 177. Class representation and class legislation, 177; exchange rate and trade-Canadian Reconstruction Association, 178; proposed general election, 179
Budget, 2614. War revenue, 2614; luxury taxes-critics of Farmers' party, 2615; manufacturers and farmers, 2616; free list asked for by Farmers' party, 2617: manufacturers would benefit by tariff reduction, 2618
Federal Bureau of Education, 1386 Franchise Bill, 746 Advance polls, 1941, 2000-1 Aliens-certificate, 2091-3, 2099 Canada Temperance Act, 2053 Contributions, 1170, 1196 Conveying voters-compulsory voting, 1064
Disqualification - charitable support, those receiving, 1817-8 Election expenses, 1154, 1930-1 Nomination-" Elector,"	how defined,
Recall, the, 2038-40, 2046 Returning officers, 1523 " Rural polling division," 1993 Voters' lists, 2434, 2441 Newspaper postage, 3756-7 Race track betting, 3432 Soldier Settlement, 1698 Cattle branding, 1700-1
Threat to Members, 1743
Three Rivers harbour, 3491
Thrift, 13. See also Government Annuities Need of, Speech from the Throne, reference to, 8
Ticket of Leave, 398, 2015
Timber Culling, 1877
Timiskaming, By-election, 1188, 2898
Timiskaming Lake
Wharves, 2187, 3493
Tobacco. See also Inland Revenue and Customs
Tobacco-Con.
Duties on, ques. 1114 Leaf, ques. 996
Tobin, Mr. Edmund William (Richmond and Wolfe)
Asbestos postmaster, ques. 3S0 Auditor General's report, publication in French, ques, 1627
Rlondi n, H'on. Mr., trips to Europe, 541
Canada Gazette, ques. 2179
Canadian Northern railway lands, ques.
1626, ques. 2008 Chinese in Canada, ques. 805 Connaught Rifle range, ques. 671 Dominion notes and gold standard, ques. 58'8
Duncan, Mr. Walter, ques. 2720 Finance Dept, employees, ques. 592 Imperial Press Conference, ques. 4101 Japanese in Canada, ques. 805 Langton, Brig. Gen. J. G,, ques., 541. ques. 811
Medical officers and nurses, ques. 341 Military Police, ques. 804, ques. 805 Militia Dept., London employees, ques. 671 Obligations, Dominion, ques. 998' Parliament Buildings, 1422 Door contract, ques. 320 Post Office, ques. 3294 Ste. Anne soldiers' hospital, ques. 588 Special War Revenue Act Boots, 3565 Sporting goods, 3572
Tolmie, Hon. S. F.. (Minister of Agriculture) Agriculture, review of, 23'66. Increased production, possibilities, 2366; keeping people on the farm, 2371; city man and farmer-home and foreign markets, Ei37i2i; Dept, of Agriculture and its branches, 2373; summary of policy, 2376; dairy cows, 2378; labour situation, 2'379
Agricultural Gazette, 1085 Animal Contagious Diseases Bill, 1622, 1840
Cold storage, 2407-9
Commercial feeding stuffs, 3163-74, 3403-9 Dairy industry, 2403-6 Cow testing and milk testing, 2406 Election and introduction, 1, 47 Entomology, branch, 2402 Experimental farms, 1013, 2375, 2382-9, 2396-9, 2401, 2404, 2412 Ontario and, 1015 Flax industry, 696 Fox farming, 2409


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Fruit Branch, 2410
Grading export butter and cheese, 602-4 Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2375-6 , Inspection and Sale Act (Fruit packages) 1915-6, 2016-23 Apple barrels, 2022	.
Authority of Governor in Council, 2019 Nova Scotia fruit growers, 2017-8 Penalties, 2020
Size of packages, 2016-7, 3109 International Institute of Agriculture, 2411 Meat and canned food, 2411 Oleomargarine Bill, 1781, 1875-7, 1968-71 Potato Bag, 4562 Seed Branch, 2411 Tobacco growing, 2376, 2383 Victoria
By-election, 4584
Shipbuilding-work for returned soldiers, 4584
Wheat-work of Mr. S. Wheeler, 2388 Toronto
Exhibition Buildings, use of by militia, ques. 2009
Grain-elevators, ques. 1897 Harbour improvements, ques. 2181 Income tax payments, ques. 592 Postal employees, threatened strike oi* 3424
Postal station "A," 3155 Rifle range, 3728
Telephone rates appeal, ques. 2009 Union station, 3225-6
Toronto Eastern and Toronto Suburban Railways, ques. 1004, ques. 1510, ques. 2080
Tracadie Lazaretto, 3554 T rade
Austria and Germany, from, ques. 2416. ques. 3359
British Preference, 2079 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 621
Extension of, 1880 Foreign, 2477, 2481 France with
Customs tariff convention, ques. 3684 Treaty, 3425, ques. 4®23 Royal Commission on, ques. 4502 Russia, with, 43®2 West Indies Conference, 3161 Greece and Roumania with, ques. 2414
Trahan, Mr. Arthur (Nicolet)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 87. Liberal party in the war,
Trahan, Mr. Arthur-Con.
Address-Con.
87; Quebec, then and now, 88; farmers' and conscription, 89; Quebec and its "hour"-Quebec and its tolerance, 90; League of Nations

Canadian autonomy, 91; Navy, Lord Jellicoe's visit -tax exempt bonds-Grand Trunk Railway, 92; public ownership of railways-Civil Service classification, 93; agriculture, Quebec people stay on the land-the disease of luxury, 94; radicalism anid imperialism, 96 Bankruptcy Bill, 3256
Budget, 2857. Progressive weakness of national credit and its causes-gold reserve, 2857; inflation-of credits-prices, 2859; exqhange situation and remedies therefor, 2860; Canada and Japan, position as result of the war- deflation, 2861; increased production necessary, 2862; Mr. Fielding's amdt.- Supreme Council for Peace Conference an-d commercial freedom - Europe's debts to Canada, 2863 Civil Service holidays, 4067-62 Franchise Bill, 776
-Corrupt practices

penalties, 1160-1 Election expenses, 1153-4 Polling divisions, 1518 Mackie, Mr. H. A., absence of, 2969 Water-powers surveys, 3292
Transcontinental Railway. See Canadian National
Translation Staff. See Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) ; House of Commons-
Trent Canal wharves, ques., 586, ques. 1369
Trust Companies Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 855; £r., com., 3r„ 1779
Turgeon, Mr. Onesiphore (Gloucester)
Abey, Mr. H. R„ ques. 1000 Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 110. French language-New Brunswick cabinet representation. 110; representation and census, 111; proposed general election-land values taxation-exchange and currency, 112; franchise, 114
Biological Board, ques. 2572 Budget, 2649. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-Canada's soldiers, 2649; gross and net debt-new taxes, 2650; Mr. J. H. Sinclair's charges-free trade advocated-Henry George and land values taxation, 2651; Liberal party and free trade, 2652; Farmers' party
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Deficits - rates - management^-representation of labour - subdivisions, 4202-8 Rates, 1443
Experimental Farms, 2382 Franchise Bill
Advance polls-fixed day of the week for elections, 1164, 1942 Election officers, fees, etc., 3868 Proclamation-language of publication, -	1080, 1828, 1833-7, 2267-70, 2310
Amdt. 1834, neg. 2311 Returning officers, 1530, 1581-2 French speeches in House, 701 Grand Trunk Railway, 1443 Indemnity of members, 4086 Pensions, 432, 3934
Quarantine-Tracadie and D'Arcy Island, 3554
Railway rates and Parliament, 4188 Returned soldiers, 531
Fishing industry, and, 3934 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3993
Turk, Expulsion of from Europe, ques. 409
Tweedie, Mr. Thomas M. M. (West Calgary) Banff National park, 3770 Farmers' Co-operative Company, 3995-6 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2236-7 Contributions, 1184 Recall, the, 2023, 2029, 2033, 2045-50 Returning officers, 1528, 1533 Voters' lists, 2431-8 Indemnity of members 4090 Militia-active militia, allowance, 3669-71 Opium and Drug Bill, 1645, 1647-9 Personal position, 2049
Retirement of members of public service, 3826-9
Scientific research, 2172 Shipbuilding, Credits Bill, 3996
Typhus Epidemic, 4545
Uniform, unlawful use of, 3417. See also Criminal Code
Union Government. See debates under Address; Budget
United Grain Growers, Limited, ques. 922
United Shoe Company case, 4479
United States, See also League of Nations Canadian ambassador to, announcement, 2177
Canadian representation in, 4533. See also Washington
Coast defence and, 4294, 4298 Export of screenings to. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Fisheries treaty with, ques. 1002, 1290, 3161
Immigrants from, ques. 1463 League of Nations, and, ques. 1118, 3977 Liquor shipments to, 2107, 2118 Shipping Board and Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine, ques. 2009 Soldiers and lands in Canada. See Dominion Lands Act Amdt.
Universal Military Training, 923
Unopposed Motions for Returns, 321, 415, 437, 544, 675, 923, 1004, 1123, 1362, 1464, 1628, 1900, 2015, 2313, 2417, 2722, 2896, 3079, 3294, 3490
Vancouver, B. C.
Dry dock, ques. 316, ques. 3620 Public building, 3156
Vandal, Mr. Calixte, ques. 1740
Vatican Mission, ques. 310
Venereal Diseases, 924, 927, 3556
Verville, Mr. Alphonse (St. Denis)
Board of Commerce, M. for abolition, 1143 Bonus and salaries, ques. 2079; ques. 2311 Eight-hour day, 381
Grand Trunk Railway and strike of 1910, 1564
House of Commons staff, ques. 590 Indemnity of members, 4072-3 Industrial disputes, 1981-2 Musical instruments, tax on, 3595-6 Parliament Buildings, 1424-7 Popular unrest, 1145 Price regulation, 1143 Profiteers-punishment, 1145
Vessel Rates, 1733, ques. 2414. ques. 2572, ques. 2777, See also Railway Act Amendment


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Canadian National Railways, ques. 342 Charge on for sick mariners, 2253 Icebreakers, 230, 1598, 1620 Uniforms of men on, 1603 " Montcalm," 1606
Importation of material used in construction, ques. 1114
Names
" A. J. McKie," ques. 587, 903, 910 " Canada," ques. 1230 " Canadian Inventor," 3226, 3359 " Canadian Pioneer," 902 " Canadian Recruit," ques. 312, ques. 1199, 648
" Champlain," ques. 314, ques. 672, ques.
921, ques. 1121; ques. 3619 " J. D. Hazen," 2105 " Lady Evelyn," ques. 3619 " Lady Grey ''-Uniforms for crew, ques. 1003, ques. 1361
" Montcalm," 1606. See also Icebreakers " Niobe '' and " Rainbow." See Naval Defence
" Simcoe," ques. 413 " Stanley," ques. 312 " Three Rivers," ques. 1897 " Voyageur," ques. 2776 " 33," ques. 410
Under Railway Commission, ques. 2777. See also Railway Act Amdt.
Victoria
By-election, 4584 Dry dock, ques. 3619 Shipowners (Limited) 4583
Victoria and Carleton, by-election, 121
Victoriaville-Arthabaska Branch Line, ques. 4502
Victory Loans, ques. 803, 2520 Amount of, ques. 2008 Commissions, ques. 320 Committee, ques. 320, ques. 2008 Gold, payments in, 2647-8 Tax exemption, 92. See also Loans
Vien, Mr. Thomas (Lotbinidre)
Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine, with [DOT] holding of information, 1654-5, 1681-3 Canadian National Railways, 1457 Civil Service
Bonus, 1273, 1285 Holidays, 4062
Retirement of members, 4461
Vien, Mr. Thomas-Con.
Electricity, competition in sale of-taxation, 3113
Food and Drugs Bill, 1256, 1266-7 Franchise Bill
Disqualification, charitable aid, those receiving, 1815-8
Proclamation, language of publication. 2286-96
Grand Trunk Railway, 1454-9 Income tax, 3120 Charities, 3246 Stock dividends, 3239-40 Maple products, 1255-6 Opium and Drug Bill, 1703-6 Pilotage, 1839
Post Office salaries, 4527-9 Private Bills-insurance and loan, 3860 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3210-1, 3213-4
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4139 Soldier settlement	>
Defaults, 3223 Staff, 3220-1
Steel and shipping merger, 1953-6 Vimy Battlefield, ques. 1358, 1460 Vladivostok, Japanese occupation of, 1945 Vouchers, Govt, loss of at sea, ques. 3489 Wainwright, Herd of Buffalo, 3283 War
Army boots and shoes, ques. 506 Battlefields Memorial, 1460, 17®8, 2078, 2177 Bonus to soldiers, 1082 Canada's record, 46 Canadian Expenditionary Force
Burke, Rev. A. E„ Chaplain, ques. 2079 Members, ques. 315
Officers and men stationed in Canada, ques. 1200
Provinces, enlistments by, ques. 40®' Sterling, payments in, ques. 200S Vouchers, Government, loss of at sea, ques. 3i4'8®
Canteen profits, 709, ques. 800 Defaulters, Chicoutimi, ques. 409 Equipment, guns, 3661-2 Fishermen, and, 845 Indemnity
Allies conference at Ostend, 2476, 2574 Canada's share, 1084
Germany, payments, ques. 310, ques. 1468 Kinmel camp riots, 709 Medals, ques. 1003, 1046, ques. 1120'
Medical officers and nurses, ques. 341
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Brudenheim branch, 871-2, 885, 4250 Equipment, 4250 Canadian Wheat Board, 4130 Car shortage, 882 -3 Franchise Bill, 765
Advance polls, 1934, 3'87'5-6 Name not on list-oaths, 3877 Polls, hours to be open, 1920-1 Recall, the, 205*0-1 Horse racing 34*28
Naturalization, enemy alien origin, 3921-2 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3199-3200 Pensions, 3*202
Saskatchewan and Manitoba penitentiaries, ques. 2574 Soldier Settlement, 21312-3 Spirit River wheat shipments, 566
Wigmore, Mr. Rupert W. (St. John City and Counties of St. John and Albert) Freight to Canada from United States prepaid, 1893
Opium and Drug Bill, 1753, 1756-8 St. John dry dock, 4573 St. John harbour-pilots, 2118 St. John river-wharves, 2123-St. John-Digby service, 4285-6
Williams Head quarantine, 315*6
Wilson, Mr. J. R. (Saskatoon)
Agriculture, 23*87 Canadian Wheat Board, 4354 Civil Service bonus*-letter carriers, 1276 Coal Operations director, 3180 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3165-6 Franchise Bill-conveying voters, 106*2 Income tax, charities, 3313 Newsprint, 2967
Wilson, Mr. J. R<-Con.
Soldier Settlement-cattle branding, 1699 Special War Revenue, 3574 Jewellers, licenses'-department stores, 3583
Wheeler, Mr. S., 23*8*7 Wine-Imports from France, ques. 1627
Winnipeg
Grain exchange, ques. 200*5 Meterological station, 212*5 Postal station "A," 3156 Strikers, trial of, ques. 2181
Wolff, Mr., and Printing Bureau, ques. 1624
Women in Industry, 369	[DOT]
Women's Conference, 262
Wood Alcohol, 3580
Workmen's Compensation Act and seamen, 2263. See also Canada Shipping Act, 2263
Wrecks, Investigations, 1612
Wrecking Plants, subsidies, 1615
Wright, Mr. H. O. (Battleford)
Budget, 275*3. Luxury taxes, 2*734; duties on farm machinery-farmers and tariff *

Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2755 Franchise Bill*, advance polls. 3*876
Young and Co., Arthur. See Arthur Young
Young Men's Christian Association, 1*219, 1226
Yukon, administration-salaries, etc., 328*1
Yukon Placer Mining Bill. lr., 2892; 2r., . com., 3106; 3r., 310*9; Senate amdts. 4264
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