1920-06-22

COMMITTEE ON PENSIONS AND REESTABLISHMENT.

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MOTION COMMEND INK} PINAL REPORT TO CONSIDERATION OP GOVERNMENT- BY MR. HUME CRONYN, CHAIRMAN OP THE COMMITTEE.
Mr. HUME CRONYN (London) moved:: That the third and final report of the Special Committee on Pensions and Re-establishment be considered and that the recommendations contained therein be commended to the consideration of the Government.
He said: In rising to move the consideration of the report of the Committee on Pensions and Re-establishment, I find it difficult to determine to what length my remarks should run. After being for the past nine weeks daily-nay almost hourly-immersed in the business of the committee, it is well nigh impossible to decide how much of what was accomplished is a matter of common knowledge, or to what extent explanations may be necessary or acceptable. The report, in a sense, speaks for itself, and to members of the committee who have been called upon to earnestly consider and very carefully discuss the. various matters dealt with in the report, there may seem little that can be usefully added. Owing to the approaching end of the session it would as well be most inexpedient to weary the House with lengthy remarks, and I therefore propose to deal as briefly as possible with the main items of the report, in the belief that by means of questions which may he asked any matters of doubt will be made clear.
As the report states, the reference to the committee dealt with two distinct-although allied-questions:	the first-that of pensions, and the second, Te-establishment.

Dealing with the subject of pensions: In June of last year the Parliamentary Committee appointed to draft the Pension Act brought in its report, which contained recommendations increasing the annual liability of the country in this connection, by $8,000,000. The report now under consideration recommends certain increases in pensions which will involve the addition of a like liability, that is to say-the Pension Bill of the country, if these recommendations be adopted, will be increased by nearly 8,000,000.
The number of disability pensioners at the end of the fiscal year was 69,583; if we add to these the dependent pensioners, the wives and children of disability pensioners, and the children of widows, we find the total number of beneficiaries to be 177,035. The amount which will be paid to these pensioners for a period of 12 months on the present scale is estimated at over twenty-five millions. If we add to this sum the increases suggested, we find our annual pension bill totals about thirty-three millions.
The history of pension legislation since the beginning of the Great War shows a steadily ascending curve in the scale of pensions adopted. I am not now saying that increases made in the past were sufficiently ample: unfortunately, during the same period, the cost of living has also increased, or to put it in another way, the value of the dollar has diminished. Let me in a word mention the increases already made. The first provision was arrived at just five years ago, when $264 a year was fixed as a pension for the totally disabled of the rank and file, a. similar amount being awarded to widows or dependent widowed mothers of those who were killed. It m.ay .appear astonishing, but this rate was an appreciable increase over those which had been in force prior to the Great War. -
About a year later, that is to say-in June of 1916-the total disability pension was raised to $480, and that to widows and mothers to $382. In October of 1917 the pension, for a totally disabled private soldier was raised from $480 to $600 per annum, and that of the widow and mother from $382 to $480 .a year. In June of last year a bonus of 20 per cent on the above-mentioned pensions was recommended and, under the Pension Act passed at the time, went into force as at the 1st September, 1919. The result of this bonus is that a totally disabled member of the forces below the rank of lieutenant receives $720 a year, while his widow or dependent parent is entitled to $576 per annum. We have had,
therefore, since the outbreak of the war, three distinct increases in the amounts paid to the above-named classes of pensioners, two of them being permanent increases, and the last being reached by way of a bonus.
As the report states, a fourth increase is now being recommended, to be given effect to in the same manner as the increase of last year, that is-by way of bonus. The permanent figures which were arrived at in 1917 are taken as the standard or basic rate, and the bonus recommended is to be calculated upon the pensions then fixed.. The bonus being one of 50 per cent, the result is that a totally disabled member of the rank and file-whose pension in 1917 was $600-will receive $300 additional, or $900 in all. This does not mean an increase of $300 over the payments he is receiving during the present year, because, as was stated before, he was awarded-from 1st September last-a bonus of 20 per cent, which yielded him an increase of $120 a year, and thus gave him a total of $720. His net gain by means of the present increase will, therefore, be the difference between $720 and $900, or $180 per annum. Following the same Tule, the pension of the widow or of the widowed mother, fixed in 1917 at $480 a year, will be increased by a bonus of 50 per cent or $240. As, however, at present she is in receipt of a bonus of 20 per cent on the basic pension, the net increase resulting from the recommendations in the report will be the difference between $576 and $720, or $144 a year.
This increase of pensions from 20 per cent to 50 per cent, has been 'recommended by the committee to apply only to the cases of those pensioners who are resident in Canada; so far as pensioners resident outside of Canada are concerned, the recommendation is that the present bonus of 20 per cent should be continued for another year.
As set out in the report, the increased pension has been recommended because of the steadily advancing cost of living. The evidence before the committee was clear that in many parts of Canada-even were it possible to make ends meet on the pension and bonus being paid to-day-there was certainly no margin left for any unforeseen emergencies such as illness, etc. In the hope that in some happier future the cost of living may' once more sink to a more reasonable level, it was deemed wise to provide for the existing emergency by means of a bonus-. It has been argued, and with some reason, that a bonus is not so certain, and therefore a less satisfactory method to the pensioner of providing what- he is to re-

ceive, but he should feel assured that it will be continued so long as present prices prevail. The figures published by the Department of Labour, purporting to show the cost per week of a family budget, including staple foods, fuel, lighting and rent, as determined by the average prices in 60 cities, prove that this cost rose from April of lf>15 to the same month this year- 80 per cent. While these figures omit the important item of clothing, yet they can be fairly treated as an index of the cost of living, and so long as no sensible decline is shown thereby pensions should not be decreased.
'^Before leaving the items already discussed, it might be well to point out that a proportionate amount of the $900 which under the new scale will be awarded to the totally disabled members of the rank and file, will be paid to those suffering from disabilities which are less than total. For instance, the man who has a 50 per cent disability, and whose pension on the basic rate is at present $300, will receive a 50 per cent bonus, or $150, makifig his total allowance $450 per annum.
The result of these various increases is to bring to a parity the pensions paid to or in respect of all ranks below that of Captain; and the added cost thereof to the country, it is estimated will amount to $3,650,000 per annum.
Pensions to the dependent parents are increased in like manner as those to widows: that is to say:-the dependent father or mother of a soldier who died leaving neither widow or children, Will receive by way of pension a bonus precisely the same amount as would have been paid to his widow.
Those who were in the House a year ago will recall the discussion which took place over the pensions allowed to dependent widowed mothers. While these mothers are, under the Pension Act, awarded the same rates as those to widows, their pensions are subject to a deduction if they are in receipt of an independent income from outside sources: it is true under the Act that no deduction could be made because of the personal earnings of any widowed mother, but the Act was so construed that if she owned her own home, or had the advantage of free lodgings, she was held to be in receipt of an independent income of from $10 to $15 a month. Much complaint has arisen on this score, particularly from those widowed mothers who, until the passing of the Act had been in receipt of their full pension of $40 a month. Your committee felt a change in the law was called for, and

accordingly recommends that the advantage of free lodgings should not be counted against the pensioner, nor, so long as she resides in Canada, should her pension be reduced because of her income from outside sources, unless that income exceeded the sum of $20 a month. If, therefore, a widowed mother residing in any part of the Globe, owns her own home or is able to earn something by her own exertions, her pension will not be reduced; and if she resides in Canada, she can as well enjoy an independent income up to the sum of $240 a year.
It will be readily understood that these concessions to widowed mothers will seriously add to the liability under this head. Not only will many mothers whose pensions have heretofore been reduced receive their pension in full, but there will be brought on to pension numbers whose incomes f-rom outside sources have hitherto barred them. The estimate of the increased liability in this respect is $2,400,000. It appears to me to be a large one, but it was prepared by the officials of the Pension Board who, although admitting the difficulty of accurately forecasting the result, believe it would not be safe to place the amount at a lower figure.
Thus far we have been dealing solely with increases in pensions brought about by means of the bonus suggested; In addition to these increases, the committee suggest that larger pensions in certain other cases should be awarded. These increases are not made by means of a bonus, and they apply equally to all ranks.
At the present time, if a total disability pensioner be married he is entitled to an increase in his pension of $180 a year. It is proposed that this pension shall be made $300 per annum. This will mean that the totally disabled married man without a family will receive $900 for himself and $300 for his wife, viz:-$1,200 a year, or $100 per month. This is an increase of just $300 more than he receives to-day. If he has one boy of 16 or under, or a girl of 17 or under, his pension has been increased by $12 per month, or $144 a year: it is suggested that this allowance be increased to $15 per month, or $180 a year. For a second child he receives $10 a month; it is now suggested that this be increased to $12 a month: and for each subsequent child below the above ages, instead of receiving an additional $8 a month he will be allowed $10 a month. As in the case of pensions to soldiers, these increases will be allowed in proportion to those whose disabilities are

less than 100 per cent. The estimated increased liability on this head is $1,000,000 per annum.
The widow of a deceased soldier, no matter of what rank, had last year her pension increased for her first child, if under the ages above mentioned, by $15 a month, or $180 a year. No change is suggested in this allowance: but the allowances on behalf of a second, third or subsequent child or children is increased to those proposed for similar children of a totally disabled pensioner. In other words, the children of the totally disabled man and of the soldier who has died are put upon the same basis. These increases, it is estimated will cost $220,000 a year.
It has taken some time to set forth the recommendations of the committee covering the increases thus far mentioned. The report contains a series of tables illustrative of the figures just quoted, which convey in a brief and clearer fashion what the results of these increases will be. With the permission of the House I should like to have .these tables extended on the record without taking up the further time required to read the same. While they now appear in the Votes and Proceedings, there is an advantage in having them embalmed (to use the expression of my friend from Springfield) in Hansard. When the question of pensions in future comes before the House, these tables will permit the member to grasp at a glance what was recommended at this time.
Included in these tables are figures showing to what extent the suggestions made by the committee will increase the pension to a totally disabled married man with a family	of three chidren of
pensionable age. In 1018 such a man	received	a	total	of $ly140
upon which to support himself and his family; this year, with the added bonus of 20 per cent he is being paid $1,260; while under the proposed new bonus and the increases suggested on account of his wife and children, he will be paid a yearly pension of $1,644. This class of pensioners, comprising as it does the average family of five, thus has its income increased by $504 over that of 1918, or $384 beyond the amount being paid to-day.
(a) Pension for total disability (per annum).
Rank or Rating of Member of Forces.	Basic Rate.	Present Bonus.	Total.	Basic Rate.	Proposed Bonus in Canada.	Total.Privates and Corporals (Military), Ra-	$	$	$	$	$	$tings below Petty Officer (Naval)	
Sergeants,' etc. (Military), Chief Petty	600 00	120 00	720 00	600 00	300 00	900 00Officer, etc. (Naval)	
* Regimental Sergeant-Major, etc. (Military). Naval Cadet and Midshipman	637 50	82 50	720 00	637 50	262 50	900 00775 00	Nil.	775 00	775 00	125 00	900 00Warrant Officers (Military and Naval)..	850 00	Nil	850 00	850 00	50 00	900 00
(b) Pension for widows of
Privates and Corporals (Military), Ratings below Petty Officer (Naval)	480 00	96 00	576 00	480 00	240 00	720 00Sergeants, etc. (Military), Chief Petty Officer, etc. (Naval)	510 00	66 00	576 00	510 00	210 00	720 00Regimental Sergeant-Major, etc. (Military), Naval Cadet and Midshipman	620 00	Nil.	620 00	620 00	100 00	720 00Warrant Officers (Military and Naval)..	680 00	Nil.	680 00	680 00	40 00	720 00
(c) Pension for dependent parents of
Privates and Corporals (Military), Ratings below Petty Officer (Naval), (not exceeding)	480 00	96 00	576 00	480 00	240 00	720 00Sergeants, etc. (Military), Chief Petty Officer, ete. (Naval), (not exceeding)..	510 00	66 00	576 00	510 00	210 00	720 00Regimental Sergeant-Major, etc. (Military), Naval Cadet and Midshipman (Naval), (not exceeding)	680 00	Nil.	620 00	620 00	100 00	720 00Warrant Officers (Military and Naval), (not exceeding)	680 00	Nil.	680 00	680 00	40 00	720 00
(d) Pensions in respect of wives and children of total disability pensioners (all ranks):
	Present	Proposed
	rate.	rate.
	(Yearly)	(Yearly)
Wife	.. $180 00	$300 00First child	.. 144 00	180 00Second child	.. 120 00	144 00Subsequent children	.. 96 00	120 00(e) Pensions in	respect of	chidren ofwidows (all ranks):	Present	Proposedrate.	rate.(Yearly)	(Yearly)First child	. $180 -00	$180 00Second child	,. 120 00	144 00Subsequent children.	. 96 00	120 00(f) Pensions in	respect of	orphan children (all ranks):	Present	Proposedrate.	rate.(Yearly)	(Yearly)First orphan child .	. $360 00	$360 00Second orphan child. 240 00	i 288 00Subsequent orpha	n	children	. 192 00	240 00
Estimated increased liability $17,000 per annum.
(g) The totally disabled man having a wife and three children (of pensionable age) as a result of the changes suggested above would have his yearly income increased from $1,260 to $1,644, made up as follows:-
Proposed rate Present rate, within Canada.
Monthly. Yearly. Monthly. Yearly. Totally disabled
man .. ..	..	$60	$720	$75	$900Wife	
15	ISO	25	300First child..	..	12	144	15	, ISOSecond child	. .	10	120	12	144Third child.	. .	8	96	10	120Total	$105	$1,260	137	$1,644
(h) Amounts payable annually to those of the rank and file permanently totally disabled under the new scale suggested for Canada and under the existing rates so far as known in the countries of the allied belligerents.
Single. man.	Man and Wife.	Man, W7ife and child.	Man, WTife and 2 children.	Man, Wrife and 3 children.	Each additional child.$	$	$	8	$	$Canada	900 00	1,200 00	1.380 00	1,524 00	1,644 00	120 00Great Britain	506 13	632 66	727 56	803 46	879 42	75 92Australia	379 60	569 40	695 93	790 74	854 01	63 26New Zealand	506 13	759 20	885 73	1,012 25	1,138 80	126 53South Africa	379 60	506 13	601 12	685 36	759 20	63 26United States	
.	1,200 00	1,200 00	1,200 00	1,200 00	1,200 00	Nil.France	480 00	480 00	540 00	600 00	'v 660 00	60 00Italy	243 33	291 99	318 75	345 51	372 27	26 76


Mr. SPEAKER:: May I suggest to the hon. member, if it is agreeable to him, that he move down nearer the centre of the Chamber. I am not sure that from where he is now speaking all hon. members can hear him distinctly.


Hume Cronyn: I thank you, Mr. Speaker, and will with pleasure act upon your suggestion. (The hon. member moved to a position in the front row' of benches in the centre of the Chamber, and continued his remarks).
How shall we determine whether the pension arrived at under the proposed new scale will enable a family to be maintained in decent comfort? What is to be the test? Our country is widespread; living conditions and prices vary considerably as one passes from one province to another; even within each province there is a marked difference between cost of living in the larger centres and that in the smaller towns,
or throughout the rural sections. It would be a practical impossibility to fix a different scale for different localities. To mention only one difficulty: human nature being such as it is, that locality having the highest scale of pension would become the Mecca for pensioners; urban centres would be still more crowded; rents, and perchance even other prices, would rise still higher, and the result would intensify the discomfort and want. The scale fixed must, therefore, be a general one applicable throughout the whole countryside, and perforce must be sufficiently generous to cover the cases of those residing in the more expensive centres. Not only before the committee, but on previous occasions, evidence was submitted on the cost of maintaining the average family. Consideration was given to the figures published in our own Labour Gazette and to the results obtained from similar researches in the United States.

Personally, I was impressed by the evidence of Miss Helen Reid, of Montreal, who since August of 1914, has done continuous and splendid work for the Patriotic Fund. It was apparent to me from her evidence, and the material submitted, she had made an exhaustive study of this question. Her statement showed that both Canadian and American investigators thought a single man should be allowed $900 a year upon which to live; and her recommendation was that the average family of five should receive $1,575 per annum. The suggestion of this committee fixes the allowance of the single man at the figure mentioned, but surpasses those for the family by $65.
There is much talk of the high wage today to the working man: too often is it forgotten that an hourly or daily rate is not a fair test upon which to base an annual income, as, so frequently is his occupation seasonal, or if not it is broken into and thus .lessened by holidays and other interruptions. During the course of the committee's session a questionaire was directed to 56 of the larger cities in the Dominion to ascertain the annual remuneration allowed to the rank and file of the police and fire 'brigades of these municipalities. Replies have been received up to date from 43, covering every province in the Dominion. These returns show the average allowance to the civic employees named is $1,347 a year. Police and firemen begin with an average salary of $1,237 and attain a maximum average of $1,456. As is to be expected, the amounts paid vary with the province: they are larger in the most populous cities and reach their low point in the smaller places. If we take the figures of the 12 largest cities, from Halifax in the East to Vancouver in the West, we find the mean average to be $1,430, the maximum average or starting point being $1,309, rising to a maximum average allowance of $1,551.50.
These figures, I submit, reflect perhaps as accurately as any others could, the standard fixed in urban centres throughout the whole of Canada. Each municipality must have a -direct interest in its police force and firemen; the Board of Aldermen come in close contact with these employees are, indeed, in many cases friends or neighbours of the men employed. So far, therefore, as average figures can ever be taken as a guide, I submit to the House that the report of the committee, if 'it errs at all in these matters (a proposition I am not prepared to admit), errs on the generous side.
There is a tendency sometimes to treat the expression "totally disabled" as equivalent to the word "helpless," but under the Pension Act the latter term is used to denote the condition of a pensioner who must of necessity require, to a greater or lesser extent, the services of an attendant. The term "total disability" has acquired, under pension laws, a certain technical meaning, partly to- indicate that those classed under that head are unable to earn a living in the ordinary labour market, and partly, perhaps, to mark the fact that their wounds or disease are of so severe a nature that they are entitled to the maximum pension which can be awarded. The word "helpless," however, connotes a condition in which the sufferer is unable to make use of some one or moTe of the functions daily exercised by the normal man. To most of us, the condition of one who has lost his eyesight is almost typical of helplessness, yet there can be no doubt that he who is paralysed and thus condemned to lie an inert body, is in a worse plight. As Dante pictured descending circles of damnation in his Inferno-so in the hell of suffering into which these soldiers have been cast- through no fault of their own but by reason of their valorous efforts on our behalf- there are varying degrees of helplessness. It may seem almost inhuman to make distinctions on such a subject, but to render justice it must be done, and under the medical regulations of the Pension Board the lines to be drawn are fully and fairly set forth.
The present maximum for helpless allowance is $450 per annum. The report recommends that the minimum allowance shall hereafter be $250 a year, to be increased when the conditions warrant to a maximum of $750.
Thus far I have dealt only with what may be termed the most important changes in the pension scale. Certain other increases are recommended, which are fully set out in the report. These will come up for consideration when the Bill amending the Pension Act comes before the House in Committee of the Whole. Among the Orders of the Day there already appears a resolution introducing this Bill, so that I refrain from prolonging the attention of the House on these points.
Let me add, however, that these remaining increases will add to the yearly liability about $500,000 per annum, thus bringing the total additional yearly liability practically up to the amount first mentioned, viz., $8,000,000, reached as follows:



Disability pensions	$2,500,000
Widows' pensions	 1,150,000
Dependent parents' pensions.. 2,400,000 Wives' and children's pensions 1,250,000 Helpless allowance and other
increases	 500,000

Outside of the increases recommended there are -other changes proposed in the pension law and set forth in the report, but for the reasons mentioned a moment ago, I do not propose to discuss these on the present occasion. Before, however, leaving the pension side of the report may I be permitted to mention the recommendation dealing with the commutation of pensions.
In Canada, a man who is only disabled to an extent of less than 5 per cent is not paid a pension but is awarded a gratuity up to- $100 to compensate him for the disability from which he suffers. Other countries refuse to give pensions to those whose disability is less than 10 per cent or in some cases 20 per cent. The Canadian Act, however, provides for small pensions in- these cases. For instance: A private unmarried soldier whose disability is rated from five to nine per cent is awarded $30 a year, or $2.50 a month. The man in the same class suffering a disability of from ten to fourteen per cent receives double the last named amount, that is, $60 a year or $5 a month. In many of these cases the disability consists in the loss, let us say, of a finger; the man's working capacity, if at all, is not seriously affected; and the payment to him of such small monthly amounts cannot contribute materially to his comfort. There has been for some time past a strong body of opinion, -both among the disabled men and elsewhere, in favour of allowing these smaller pensions to be commuted. By this means the pensioner would receive a lump sum, which might well prove of more advantage to him than the monthly payment above noted.
As over 40 per cent of the disabled men now in receipt of pensions suffer from a disability of less than 15 per cent, it will be understood the question is of interest to nearly 30,000 pensioners. In addition to their views in the matter, it is evident that if the labour connected with the payment of such a vast multitude of claims could be settled once and for all, the administrative cost of the Pension Board would be materially reduced. The committee, therefore, recommends that the option be given to all pensioners whose disabilities are rated bell Mr. Crony n. ]
low 15 per cent to either continue to receive the pensions now awarded, or to commute the same and accept in lieu thereof a cash payment.
It is obvious the man whose disability is not permanent cannot receive so large a payment as he whose body has been so injured'as to suffer a disability throughout his life; in these latter cases, where it is clear the disability is permanent, the man rated between five and nine per cent will be entitled to $300, and the man between ten and fourteen per cent to double that amount.
In the event of the disability of a pensioner who commutes his pension increasing in after years, he is protected by a provision in the Act which will allow him to again submit his case to the Pension Board and receive a pension for such increase in disability. In other words, such men will be rated according to their disability as it exists on re-examination, but there will be deducted from the new pension to be paid the proportion which they have already received under the commutation proposed.
It is difficult to estimate just what the cost of commuting these pensions may amount to; everything depends upon the number of men who desire to take advantage of the option given. If a majority do so, the country will be called upon to disburse in the immediate future over $7,000,000, but would in later years be relieved from the steady drain of maintaining the payment of these small pensions throughout the lifetime of the recipients.
Passing to the Re-establishment Branch of the -committee's inquiry, it -might -be well to make a -short statement regarding the recommendation of the -co-mmittee on the -subjects of life insurance for returned soldiers.
One of the effects of the iwar has been to render insurance in the established life insurance companies either prohibitive or much more expensive than that -available to th-e healthy civilian. As can be understood, a man iw-ho -has been seriously disabled by wounds or disease, could not be accepted as t a safe ris-k by -a life company. A striking instance of this was the case given in evidence, that a blind -man is not insurable. Even if only partially disabled, the ex-soldier is n-ot infrequently called upon to pay a higher premium than the -accepted rate struck -for -a man of his years. Now, these -men, while they may be in receipt of pensions for the disabilities under which they suffer, are solicitous of obtaining insurance -for the purpose of pro-

tecting tiheir families in the -event o-f their death. It is quite true, should they die from causes arising from war service, certain of their dependents would become pensioners, hut, save in a special class

and then only for a limited period-iwill these dependents be pensioned if the death of the soldier is due to some other cause than the -war. Let me illustrate this point by referring to an example given on more than one occasion to the committee:-A soldier loses his leg in the war; he is pensionable for that disability -anywhere from 40 per cent to 80 per cent. Later on sarcoma (or cancer) develops in the stump, and he dies from its effects. It can safely he predicated that in this event his death would be held to be due to his war service, and his family would receive a pension. If, on the other hand, this same disabled man was killed in a railway accident, or died as the result -say of typhoid fever-the strong probabilities are his family could not hope for relief by way of pension. Why should not this man be allowed to protect bis family from the risks inseparable from ordinary life? This is just what 'the Bill in question proposes to do; and it is well to 'bear in mind that its main object is- to provide insurance in the ease of death from some cause- other than war service. I desire to emphasize this point because the Bill provides that, in the event of the dependents of the insured 'being awarded a pension on his death, these dependents cannot -as well receive the benefits provided under his policy; they would he repaid, it is true, the premium which the soldier may have contributed, with interest, but they are not permitted to draw both upon the Pension -and Insurance Funds.
Another point worthy of note is that beneficiaries on whose behalf insurance may be effected, -are limited to the close relatives of the insured. In this respect the Bill follows the -provisions usually found in schemes of fraternal insurance.
For the same reason, that is to say because this type of insurance is altogether intended for the protection of dependents, one-fifth only of the face of the policy is payable on the death of the assured, -and the balance

with interest-is to- be disbursed by -annual 'instalments during a term of five years, or over -a greater period of time, a-s the insured may determine.
The insurance policy cannot be assigned or pledged -as collateral security to a loan, and the moneys payable thereunder will be protected from the claims -of creditors- either of the assured or the beneficiaries. These provisions are -also aimed to secure, 249*
so far as is possible, the benefits of -the insurance -for the dependents of the sol-dier.
The insurance will be granted without medical examination and will, therefore-, be open 'to every one, irrespective of bis or her state of health. The rates off premium, though based on -a recognized table of mortality, are slightly lower than those -quoted by any regular line insurance company. This is made possible iby -the -fact that the premiums do not include any loading for commisions or cost of administration. No -commissions will foe payable, and the cost of *administration -will -be borne by the country -at large.
If the insured should become disabled and incapable oif earning a living, -and i.f he is not in receipt of a -pension he will be entitled to be -paid the face value, with interest thereon, in twenty annual instalments.
There are other features of the Bill which
I	shall not now take time to 'mention-; these and other points will be -considered in the ordinary course when this Bill -and the Bill amending the Pension Act -come before the House.
It is common knowledge to the members o-f this House, -and, generally s-peaking, to the citizens of Canada, that the disabled man in need of medical treatment is taken charge of Iby the Department o-f Soldiers' Civil -Re-e-stablishment, who- care for him in the various hospitals or institutions now under the control o-f (hat department. In like manner, large numbers of disabled -men, and those minors who enlisted under the age of eighteen, have been- trained-or are now undergoing training-in the vocational schools established -and operated by the same department.
During treatment and training these -men and their dependents are in receipt of certain pay and allowances which, to a large extent, are based upon the pensions paid t-o the -totally disabled. In view of 'the increases in pensions now pro-posed, it becomes necessary to increase the pay -and allowances referred to, and the committee therefore recommends, by -sections 10 and
II	of 'Part II of its -report, that these allowances foe increased, from 1st of September next, to -an amount equal -to- the pensions granted to the totally disabled private soldier.
The recommendation contained in section 11 will, it is to be hoped, remove a cause of complaint which existed because of the difference -between the pay an-d allowances awarded to the man who- was transferred for treatment directly -from the military strength to the Department of Soldiers'

Civil Re-eetahlis'hment and the [pension received by the totally disabled man who [DOT]was forced to return for treatment to the same department.
The annual liability upon the country for these suggested increases has been estimated at $2,400,000.
'Section 3, Part III of the Report, deals with the payment of War Service Gratuities to the dependents of those who died on service. A strong plea has been entered before the 'Coanmittee on behalf of these sufferers, that they should be entitled to the same gratuity as would have been paid to the dead soldier had he been fortunate enough to survive. While in many cases it is true these dependents immediately were added to the pension list, and have since remained thereon, it was pointed out that a disabled man received both gratuity and pension. This problem was most carefully * considered from every angle by the Committee, whose final decision was in favour of awarding to those dependents who were -in receipt of separation allowances that share of the Wiar Service Gratuity which would have been paid to such dependents had the soldier survived.
The gratuity to the men who returned, and their dependents, was based upon the former's length of service: it would be impossible in the case of the dead to use such a test, because the man who died at any stage in the war sacrificed his all. It is therefore suggested that the payment of this gratuity shall be based upon the assumption that every dead man have seen sufficient service to entitle his dependents to the maximum amount of their part of the gratuity.
Widows o'f deceased soldiers were in all cases paid a bonus of two months pension in lieu of or on account of this gratuity: it was therefore concluded that there should be deducted from any further payment due to these "widows the two months' bonus already received by them.
I have now mentioned, Mr. Speaker, all the recommendations off the Committee which involve an added liability on the country: with the exception of the last named this liability will, so long as the increases remain in force, be an annual one. As already mentioned, in the case of petitions it amounts to nearly $8,000,000, and when we add to that the additional sum required for vocational training and treatment, the total additional yearly cost will exceed $10,000,000. The cost of the gratuity just discussed is estimated at an additional $1,800,000, and while that will go to swell

the burden of this year's commitments, it does not-like the. other items-call for a continuing or annual payment.
The Re-establishment Branch of the Committee's Report contains 21 separate sections. Thus far I have essayed to deal- and that in the briefest fashion-with but three of these: it would be quite impossible to make remarks more or less extended on each one of the remaining sections. I feel to do so would be toi unduly prolong my remarks. I must, therefore, be content to direct the attention of the members to the report itself, where they will find the conclusion of the Committee- set forth. But I feel it necessary to say a word or two on the subject of those suffering from tuberculosis. Their oase was 'fully .and ably set before the Committee, and as it, in coini-mon with the condition of all those suffering from this wide-spread plague, is of vital interest to the community, the Committee gave the subject fullest consideration.
On cause of complaint peculiar to the exsoldier was the position of the man who had contracted the disease prior to enlistment, and whose pension was accordingly based upon the degrees by which his disability had been aggravated by service. As a result of conferences between those in charge, it is believed this difficulty will be largely removed.
Upon the larger question it is clear that an .advance in the treatment of the tuberculous must be made. Hithereto efforts have been directed at the segregation of the afflicted so that they might receive the proper medical attention, food and training. Wonderful results have been attained, amply proved by the lowering in the death rate. But it is now apparent these efforts must be further supplemented by a widespread system which will follow the patient after his discharge from a Sanatorium, and make provision against the recurrence or reactivity of his disease. This precaution is perhaps more necessary in the case of the returned man, who is too apt, after his condition improves under treatment, to enter into too strenuous an occcupation and thus forego the care and rest which are so essential to his well-being. The question of after-care of the tuberculous is at the moment being investigated by .a body of the leading experts who, at the request of the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment are visiting all the Canadian Sanatoria with the view of determining what should be done on this and other matters pertaining to this grave problem. It is to be

hoped that the Federal authorities charged with the care of tuberculous soldiers will be able to enlist the active co-operation of all other agencies in Canada engaged in the same task. The benefit to the nation by combined .action along modern lines cannot be over-emphasized.
Negative Findings.
Besides the many recommendations of the committee involving action by way of legislation or otherwise, there will be found in both branches of the reports certain findings which negative requests, resolutions or suggestions made to the committee. As these findings are set forth in the report, and in a majority of cases the reasons upon which they are based are as well set out, it appears to me unnecessary to further elaborate upon them. May I, however, say that the mere fact of the committee's decision being adverse is not an indication the subject at issue was in any sense passed over. On the contrary, certain of these were the subject of the lengthiest inquiry, and engaged the attention of the committee for longer periods than did other points upon which favourable action was recommended.
Before taking my seat, may I-as chairman of the committe-be permitted to say a word about the work which it has accomplished. It is fashionable to-day-and perhaps the fashion is not entirely new-to decry the efforts of those who are charged with public duties. My experience in committee work is not so extensive as many others in this House, but for the greater part of my life I have co-operated with my fellow-citizens upon boards or committees of various kinds. It is my deliberate conviction that in no former instance have I seen greater interest shown, or a more regular attendance obtained. The committee held sixty-six business sessions, spread over a period of nine weeks; each session lasted on an average for over two hours. When we remember that nearly half of these meetings were held while this House was in session, that our morning meetings frequently conflicted with others called for the same hour and always rendered more difficult the transaction of that burden of parliamentary departmental work which falls to the lot of every member, the wonder is we were able on almost every occasion to secure a representative attendance. Indeed, the records show that the average number who attended were more than twice the quorum necessary.
Apart from the work of the main committee, six subcommittees were formed who held additional, and sometimes lengthy sessions. That one under the chairmanship of Mr. Nesbitt, charged with the investigation of individual cases, sat time and again late into the night so as to be able to examine for themselves the files and records dealing with the matters before them.
The decisions of the committee in favour of the increases set out, were not given " grudgingly or of necessity," but with a unanimous feeling that while the country could never repay the debt she owed to those who suffer, a real effort to provide for their future must be made. Even where it was found impossible to grant all that was asked, it is unfair to draw the conclusion that the committee were unsympathetic to the claims put forward; just as, i.n t|he many matters which come before this House consideration has to be given to the position of the country at large, and how it will be affected by proposed changes in the law.
Speaking for myself, I have always endeavoured to view any question connected with the returned soldier in the following light:	What attitude do we, as fathers of
sons who crossed the seas tp fight on our behalf, take towards those sons upon their return? Surely, remembering the pride with which we saw them go, the anxieties we'suffered while they were in danger, and the joy we felt upon their return-there is nothing we can do for them which we are., not glad to offer.
Two restrictions, however, present themselves to a father in this position: the first one is his own financial ability to supply the son's needs, and the second (and perhaps the more important one)-the effect upon that son if he is not encouraged to rely upon his own efforts and initiative in his future career! Surely such a father, had he two sons-one of whom returned maimed and broken-and the other fit and sound-must say to the latter:	" I shall
look after your brother and see that what is left for him in life is made as easy as my circumstances warrant, but I ask that you, if you care for happiness in your future life, at once take on your duties as a man, bear the same burdens as are cast upon the rest of humanity, and in the struggle of life win out to a higher sphere.
That attitude of the father is, I believe, the one that Canada takes to-day, and so long as it is maintained, both justice and

generosity will be rendered to her returned soldier sons.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. member for
London (Mr. Cronyn) desires to incorporate in the report of his speech in Hansard certain tabulated figures which have not been read. Permission to do this has always been granted most charily by this House, but in view of the undoubted importance of the speech and the advanced stage of the session I feel that the House will give the necessary permission.


Sir ROBERT BORDEN:: Carried.
The House gave unanimous consent.
Mr. C. W. PECK, V.C., (Skeena): Mr. Speaker, I speak with a little difficulty in speaking on a matter of this kind. Possibly I take an extreme view of what should	be	done for	our returned
soldiers. Nevertheless, I am not going to oppose the adoption of the report because, after all, we must realize-no matter what is said-that a great deal has been done for our returned soldiers in this recommendation and I put	that to the returned soldiers in this country. It is all right for returned soldiers to expect a wonderful lot of things, but they must know that a lot of extreme demands have been made, and that there is a certain amount of public opinion against them. I am not prepared to oppose the adoption of the committee's report. It has raised pensions by a great many millions of dollars, and proposes the expenditure of millions in other directions. Although the committee's proposals may not' be adequate, according to my ideas, yet at the same time they come up to my expectations, in some other matters. Especially will the proposals benefit the widows and orphans, and the maimed and the afflicted.
I want to speak for a few moments on the re-establishment of our soldiers and the matter of loans. This was discussed by the committee and there was a considerable difference of opinion. Some (and I may say they were very good friends of the soldiers) took this view. They said: "We will not make any more loans or extend the field of re-establishment unless we can go into every field of enterprise and into every profession." I think myself that that is a dog-in-the-manger attitude, because, although it is impossible in view of the finances of this country to re-establish every man in the field he desires, there are fields to which we could extend the principles

of re-establishment to the advantage of the returned soldier and the country as a whole. I shall not speak of all the different fields that might be entered. The question arose in the committee as to returned-soldier students. Personally, I think a great deal might be done to assist them. A great deal might also be done in the matter of housing and in other directions. I think these ^are quite within the possibilities of the .country, although I wish to put myself on record right here as one who is not in favour of the extreme demands that have been made upon this country by some of the returned soldier associations.
The question I wish to speak about particularly is the re-establishment of our returned men in the fishing industry, which to my mind is the next widest field of food production in this country. We have already established many of the returned soldiers in agriculture, and I think we have done a great deal of good in that line. There are a great many people going about decrying the efforts that have been made to reestablish our soldiers in agriculture and the efforts of the Soldier Settlement Board. I do not agree with those people at all. We must not expect to re-establish every man and make him a millionaire, but if we reestablish seventy-five or even sixty-five per cent of our returned soldiers and make them successful farmers, we shall be doing a great deal not only for the soldiers but for the country as well. I think that Parliament and this country should feel nothing but the deepest gratitude to the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Meighen) who had the courage and the industry to attack this problem, and for the wonderful achievements he has to his credit in this direetiop. The stock argument against re-establishing our returned soldiers in the fishing industry is this: We must not go into that field of re-establishment unless we go into every other field of enterprise. I say that having already reestablished our returned soldiers in the great basic industry of this country, namely, agriculture, and having expended millions upon millions on the returned soldiers in this field, so far with very few failures, and I believe there will not be many failures in the future, let us re-establish the returned soldiers in the next largest food producing industry in this country, which is the fishing industry. Some people say: Oh, but agriculture means colonization. That is all right, but what do you produce by agriculture? Food. That is why it is the great basic industry of this country,

and the next greatest field that opens up is that of fishing. There are a
3 p.m. a great many members on both sides of this House who are in favour of the Government assisting our returned soldiers in getting a start in the fishing industry. I think I am free to say that a large number of the officials of the Fisheries Department think it is perfectly feasible, and I think I may say that the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries is also very sympathetic. The decision not to go into this field was reached by only a small majority in the committee, as was the case with several other questions, and I think I may properly appeal to the House to consider this question. I do not think it is any reflection on the committee at all;
I certainly would not consider it so myself.
To re-establish our returned soldiers in the fishing industry would not involve the expenditure of many millions. A few million dollars, I think, would be sufficient, but I would like to go that far to improve our system of vocational training. I repeat, it would not involve such an expenditure as the country could not face at this time. Speaking for British Columbia, we have a peculiar situation there, of which I have spoken at different times, and I need not elaborate on that now. Briefly, there are salmon fisheries that have gotten into the hands of a foreign nation, which I do not think is a good thing for this country. We have also the very important question of the unemployed. When our soldiers were returning and were asked to name the province to which they desired to go, a great many of them chose British 'Columbia. I am assured that about 20,000 more returned soldiers have come to our province than left it in the first place, and in a very short time we are going to be confronted with an unemployment question, which will be of the most serious nature. The situation would be relieved to some extent if we assisted our soldiers to establish themselves in the fishing industry.
In British Columbia especially some of the several modes of fishing may be learned in a short time. Therefore, I want to appeal to the Government to allow the House to have a free division upon this question. I know several hon. members on both sides who are anxious to see the Government extend aid in this w,ay. I know that there is an opinion that-.the country has done enough for the soldiers. I admit it has done a great deal .and I am glad to know as a patriotic Canadian that il has done so much. No greater glory can come to this country than that which comes from the recognition of the achievements of her great armies on the historic battlefields of Flanders, from what she has done to help to re-establish those men and the dependents of those men who sacrificed life and limb year after year on the ghastly battlefields of Flanders. I repeat that no greater glory can come to Canada than that which she derives from the efforts she has made to re-establish those brave men in civil life after they came back arid took their places in the industry of the country and from those things she has done to maintain those who are left widows and orphans and those whom we see every day in mournful procession, the mained and afflicted who offered themselves up as sacrifices to the god of war. Therefore, I beg to move an amendment, seconded by Mr. Tur-geon;
That the said report he not now concurred in but that it be recommitted to the Special Committee appointed to consider the continuance of the war bonus with instructions that they have power to amend the same so as to recommend that subsidies be granted to fishermen as well as farmers.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: In connection with this proposed amendment I have only to say that the question as to its being in order is not altogether free from doubt having in mind section 54 of the British North America Act. I find that provision of the Act imposes very rigorous conditions on the House but that while it has not in terms it' has perhaps in effect been avoided. Upon that point in connection with a similar procedure in the British House of Commons I would refer to May, eleventh edition, page 572 in which he says:
Motions advocating public expenditure, or the imposition of a charge, if the motion be framed in sufficiently abstract and general terms, can be entertained, and greed to by the House. Resolutions of this nature re permissible because, having no operative effect no grant is made or burthen imposed by their adoption.
That is in effect what is proposed to be done under the language of the amendment as submitted by the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck), but the consideration which moves me is this:	The principle involved
in the amendment of the hon. member for Skeena is precisely the same as the principle involved in the report of the Committee on Pensions, and if the amendment of the hon. member were not 'in order neither would it be in order to entertain the report of the Committee on Pensions. Bearing this in mind in my judgment the amend-1 ment as submitted is in order.


Mr. O. TURGEON (Gloucester):: Mr. Speaker, in rising to second the amendment of my hon. friend the esteemed member for Skeena (Mr. Peck) I wish at the outset to give expression to my sincere appreciation of the incalculable service rendered the Committee on Pensions by the Chairman who has moved the adoption of the report and whose services the House has been able to appreciate as well as I. For the past two months the Chairman has given his unremitting attention and devotion to the cause which he had in hand and any agreement at which the committee has arrived has been well weighed and'deserves the attention of Parliament and the country. I have not had from the committee all I could have wished for. I have already expressed in this House many sentiments and feelings on behalf of the returned soldiers. I would have been pleased if some additional recognition had been given to the returned soldiers because sometimes the one who is most deserving is the most backward in presenting his claim. I would have been gratified if out of their generosity the people of Canada had given a certain small sum of money to the returned soldier so that with the intelligence, activity and fortitude which he had brought back from the field of battle, he would have been given a fair chance to re-establish himself. I had also hoped that the people in each community would get more closely in touch with the returned soldier and would maintain an attitude of sympathy and interest towards his future work and life. However, that hope has not in all respects been realized.
Now, I shall come down to the amendment which is moved by the hon. member for Skeena, one of the greatest heroes of the war, who has come back with the recognition and decorations given to him by the Government of Great Britain. His only fault when he comes back to this country of ours is his modesty. His goodwill has always been apparent in every one of his works. He never forgets the brave soldiers who shared with him the trials and dangers of the battlefield and he is never wanting in reference for those departed souls who made the great sacrifice in defence of the eternal principles of liberty. But there is one class of returned soldier that appeals to me more particularly and that is the class with which I am most familiar. Many hundreds of young men in my own constituency left the fishing boats of their fathers and hurried to give their services in the war. May I recall to this Parliament that 
from my constituency thirteen hundred and fifty volunteers crossed the ocean before the Military Service Act was put in force, in addition to which there were 450 who volunteered but who, to their great sorrow, were turned away by the medical authorities and many of whom, after trying in vain to be accepted in their own districts, took the examination elsewhere in the hope that other medical examiners might not see any obstacle to their going and joining the forces with their brothers, cousins and friends. Out of that 1,350, let me repeat what I have already said in this House over 1,150 were Aeadians and 820 were from the sea as well as from the farm, young men who had left, not industry but the farms or the fishing boats of their fathers in order that- the country might benefit from their devotion to and appreciation of, the principles of liberty and Christian civilzation as we have it now and hope -we will have it, although things are not so encouraging at the present moment as we could wish they were. I rise, therefore, to second the motion of the hon. member for Skeena on behalf of an advance to fisherman as well as to farmers. The great cry to-day, Mr. Speaker, is for -the production of food. We are told there must be production, and still more production. Well, in my opinion, fish is a very necessary article of food; and the production of this delectable article of diet is just as imperative as -the production of food on our farms. The shortage of food which the great world war brought about has not yet been made good. From the continent of North America which, needless to say, includes both the United States and Canada, we -shall -hardly -be able to meet the necessities at home and supply a sufficient quantity of food during the winter for the salvation and maintenance of many of the stricken countries in Europe. The cry is, "Produce, produce;" and the Government' with my sincere approval, have advanced considerable sums of money to returned soldiers, to enable them -to settle on the prairies Of the West -and in the fertile valleys of British Columbia, and to engage in the much needed work of production. But let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, -that we have a hardy fishing population on the coast of the Atlantic as well -as on the coast-of the Pacific. My hon. friend from Skeena (Mr. Peck) has at heart the welfare of -the fishing population on the British Columbia coast, and that fact impels him to take the action which he has taken this afternoon. I have equally at heart the welfare of the fishermen of our portion of the At-

lantic coast and of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and for that reason I heartily second and support the stand which my hon. friend has taken. The soldier fishermen of the Maritime Provinces are no less entitled to consideration and generous treatment than are their brothers who dwell inland. They left their homes and their families without any hesitancy and fought overseas for their native land. To-day many of those young men have not been re-established; and the only way to put them into a position commensurate with the one they held before the war is to place at their disposal facilities that will enable them to engage in the occupation which they have followed almost from their very earliest years up to manhood. I speak not merely for the county of Gloucester, N.B., which I have the honour to represent, but for the whole of the Maritime Provinces, and indeed for some counties in the province of Quebec, such as the counties of Gaspe and Bonaventure. For years past bur population in the Maritime Provinces has been increasing, and to what is that fact due? To the efforts that have been made by this Parliament for the last twenty-five years-but more particularly from 1896 to 1911-to contribute to the welfare of the fishermen by giving -them that necessary protection and encouragement which enables them to find profitable occupation at home instead of crossing to the country to the south where formerly they were accustomed to find a field for their ambition. In the county of Gloucester, for which I speak more particularly, we have a class of fishermen that are certainly most deserving, and when I refer to fishermen let me say that they combine farming with fishing. They are members of large families to whose support fishing and farming both contribute. When the father attains an advanced age he forsakes the sea and stays home to attend the farm. Those fitted for it resort to fishing in the summer months; the younger folks helped the head of the family to cultivate the farm. In that way all of them are participating in the great movement for increased production. We know that we shall not, for many years to come, get the maximum amount of food production in this country that we ought to have. It is therefore all-important that we should promote the production of every possible variety of food. Hence, it is in line with the national aim to make possible the reestablishment of the young soldier fisherman, to enable him to get back into the pursuits for which he is so well adapted,
and to permit him to do his part towards furthering the expansion of our food supply. You cannot make a fisherman of the young man who comes from towns or villages far inland. He must be born of parents who have been closely identified with seafaring and fishing, and from whom he inherits that zeal, that devotion, that hardiness, that fondness for the sea, which characterize those who live in close proximity to the ocean. The granting of this very necessary aid to our soldier fishermen will not involve a very large expenditure. Taking into consideration the counties of Gloucester, Westmoreland, Kent, Gaspe, Bonaventure and others, the amount involved in a grant of this kind will be very small compared with the expenditure needed in aiding returned soldiers who want to settle on the farms. A suitable boat for fishing-more particularly for fishing on the banks or in the gulf of St. Lawrence-^would probably cost in the neighbourhood of $1,500. Well, a loan of fifteen or sixteen hundred dollars would go a long way towards re-establishing a soldier fisherman in his former occupation. Those men would not need 25 years for the repayment of the loan. In my opinion ten years would be ample time in which to make repayment; and if at the end of that period there were some who were not able to do so t-heir own friends, or merchants in the neighbourhood, would gladly come to their assistance. It would not be necessary to create a special department to carry on this work. The Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, which is helping to place soldiers on the farm, would be able to lend its efforts towards Te-establishing the toilers of the sea. They have their agents throughout the Maritime Provinces, as well as throughout the province of British Columbia, looking after the re-establishment of the soldiers on the farm. They could give whatever aid is necessary to take care of the soldier fishermen as well, and consequently no extra expense would be incurred in connection with the operation of that department. The granting of the aid which is now sought for would not only greatly stimulate the production of fish on the Atlantic coast, but would have a like result on the Pacific coast. At the present time large quantities of fish are being brought from British Columbia to the large consuming centres of the East. The re-establishing of the returned soldiers in the fishing occupation would give a tremendous impetus to that industry, and would not only help to insure a sufficient production for the main-

tenance of our own people, but would enable us to ship food to the starving residents of Europe. Therefore I am greatly pleased to support the proposition of my hon.. friend from Skeena. I support it with the same sincerity and with the same devotion that he has displayed and in the hope that this Parliament will place fishermen in the class with those who are already receiving assistance from the country to enable them to be re-established in an industry likely to result in so much good to this country. If the proposition is accepted I am sure that Parliament and the country will in time to come feel only too pleased that they have acceded to our request.
Mr. JAMES ARTHURS (Parry Sound} : I am glad to be able to bear tribute to the great service of the hon. member for London (Mr. Cron-yn) as chairman of the committee whose report we ate now considering. I am sure that without his unremitting efforts and his unfailing devotion the committee would have been far from achieving the results that have been achieved. The committee went into this subject with, I think, two primary objects. The first was for the purpose of doing everything possible for the maimed, wounded or disabled soldier, and for the widows and orphans of those who had fallen in battle.
Their second object was that there should be equality in everything,-and I think the report will bear me out in that. It will be noticed that nothing has been done to increase the pensions of officers, and that the pension o'f a private soldier has now oeen brought up to exactly the same level as a lieutenant's in the land forces oi His Majesty. This system was followed throughout. In this connection I want to refer to the amendment of my hon. friend from Skeena (Mr. Peck). I am one of the " renegades," he speaks of. I was in favour of loans under certain restrictions to any returned soldier who could show necessity for a loan. But I was then, and I am now, opposed to loans to any particular class wherein other classes cannot benefit. I quite appreciate the situation so far as fishermen are concerned, but the same argument can be advanced regarding any other particular class. We have in Ontario thousands of young returned men who have been forced to go into new occupations by the nature of their injuries or as the result o'f having their education interrupted by the war, and they are to-day with their small salaries finding the housing problem a very serious one. These

young men are asking for a loan of a thousand dollars for the purpose of building or buying a house, or for the purpose of clearing the mortgage on some little house they already have. Tnese men have a good case. Then take the artisan. The blacksmith is just as useful a member of the community as the fishermen, he is just as essential to agriculture as an additional farmer or two, yet we find men of his class coming back not eligible for vocational training and unable to find the money to set up a little tool or machine shop. You can take any other industry and you will find that the men engaged in it are able to put up just as sound an argument as has been advanced by my hon. friend from Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon) and my hon. friend from Skeena (Mr. Peck) regarding the fishermen. I am in favour of granting loans to fishermen, but not unless all men in equal case are dealt with in the same manner. That is the position I took in the committee, that is the position I take in this House, and its fairness, I think, will appeal to all returned soldiers.
Before I sit down I would like t<o call the attention of the House to the fact that this committee have done a great work along the lines suggested, and that one olf the reasons why we could not go further perhaps in the matter of housing was that- we had done fairly well this year in other directions. We .have greatly increased [DOT] the amount of pensions to all classes, and we have put the country under quite a heavy Lability in other matters concerning the re-establishment of our returned men.


Hon. H. S. BELAND (Beauce):: Mr. Speaker, I do not rise with the intention of offering any oposition to the amendment moved Iby the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck). I was under the impression, however, that after the extensive work which the committee had 'carried on during the last two months it had arrived at a definite conclusion, and that perhaps the members of the committee, and the House itself, would concur in the findings and the recommendations of the committee. I have no objection to recognizing that if [DOT]any other class should be helped especially by way of loans, that fishermen should he the first to be helped, and for that reason I shall support the amendment of my hon. friend.
All the members of this committee were animated 'from first to last with the intense desire of discharging their duty to the returned soldiers, healthy or disabled, and

to the dependents of those who had heroically sacrificed themselves for their country. The debt that !we owe to our .soldiers and to the women who accompanied them to the other side is twofold: one share of it can be met in. dollars and cents; as to the other share, we at once admit that it is impossible for the country to express in any appropriate manner its sense of gratitude.
The work of this committee has 'been long and tedious. As pointed out so ably by the chairman in his precise and enlightening report, its work has extended over the last two months during almost every day of the session. I wish it could have been my privilege to have attended the sittings of the committee more regularly than I have done, and if I rise now, Mr. Speaker, it i.s not to criticise the report, but to give expression not only on the part of the members of the committee but in the name of the House itself to a sentiment of admiration for and gratitude to the hon. gentleman who represents the constituency of London and who acted as chairman of the committee (Mr. Cronyn). He was its inspiration in the long and difficult work of gathering information from the soldiers -from the healthy soldiers and their representatives, from the disabled soldiers who are back in civil life, from the .soldiers who lie ill in hospitals, from the dependents and the representatives of the dependents of our glorious dead, from the able officials of all the departments connected with the problem of re-establishment and of pensions, from experts in insurance and in various .schemes of re-establishment. He distinguished himself by his assiduity, his punctuality., his intelligent .and impartial direction of the proceedings of the committee, his powers of assimilation, and in a word by giving bis entire personality to the work. He has been to every one of us who sat on that committee a walking encyclopaedia on matters investigated in yeajs past and in the preceding sittings of the committee. So I say, Mr. .Speaker, that praise is due to the hon. gentleman and to his worthy assistant, the vice-ichairman.
I have only to add that I think it will be my duty to support the amendment that has been submitted by the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck).


Mr. PETER McGIBBON (Muskoka):: Mr. Speaker, I should like to say a word with regard to this resolution. To begin with, I endorse what has been so well said by the last speaker (Mr. Beland) in connection with the work of the Pensions Committee. The report, I think, largely speaks for itself. Most hon. members will agree with me when I say that at all times and upon all occasions I have been ready to support any reasonable, legitimate effort on behalf . of returned soldiers. 1 cannot, however, agree with this amendment, for reasons which I will state a little later. I may say that I am in accord with the position taken by the member for Parry Sound (Mr. Arthurs). I was in favour of fust granting loans to disabled men for the purposes of re-establishment. I was also in favour of granting loans to any returned men who proved that they were in need of such assistance, provided that similar assistance was given to all classes of returned men. The soldiers have suffered enough injustices already in the war without our now inflicting upon some classes a further injustice along these lines. 'This amendment bears no relation to the sacrifices made by the man at the front; it simply says that all men in a certain class shall be entitled to some assistance in re-establishment. That in itself might he advisable if you could extend to every other returned man a similar degree of assistance. But I am absolutely opposed to our saying: We will help the fisherman with one, two or three thousand dollars in order that he may re-establish himself in a lucrative position, but we will do nothing for the poor man's son who is working in a much less profitable sphere of activity. I think the proposal is an unfair one; so far as I am concerned it wil not get my support. My first idea is that we should look after the widow and the orphans of the soldier. In that regard we have made substantial advances in this report. We have remedied many things that worked a hardship in the past. We have proposed an increase of nearly fifty per cent % in the pensions. I do not say that it is too much; I do not say that it is enough, but I do say that this report is the most advanced report on pensions that any committee of this House has yet brought down. We have done something towards re-establishing that class of returned soldiers who are suffering from tuberculosis. The cases that have been drawn to the attention of committee and of the House will be of great assistance to them in the future. As I said, I was willing to go further and to support the granting of loans to those men who had been disabled. I believe that this country could do that. But my opinions in the committee did not prevail. I believe that the committee might properly have done something in some other line. But I wish to associate myself with the member for Skeena

(Mr. Peek) in what he said about extreme demands -made upon this country. I am not and never was, as this House knows, in favour of acceding to these extreme demands. Our attention should first be concentrated on assistance to the widows, the orphans, the crippled and the diseased. But I cannot support any resolution which has -the effect of picking out one class of returned men who happen to reside in one particular part of the country and giving them assistance, having no regard to their service in the war-some of them might not have got out of Canada or England, probably never saw the front-while saying to other people, who, perhaps, suffered for three, four or five years in the front line trenches: we can do nothing for you simply because prior to the war you were engaged in a different occupation from that of fishing. I do not think it is sound; I do not think it is wise. I think that the adoption of any such proposal would have the effect of arousing discontent among the returned men.


Mr. PECK:: How, then, does my hon. friend justify the assistance which is given to returned men who wish to* engage in agriculture?


Peter McGibbon: I never justified it as assistance to returned -men; I do not think it can be justified on that ground. It can be justified on the ground of increasing production, but I would be just as much opposed to helping the soldier simply because he is a farmer as I would be to helping him simply because he is a fisherman or of any other particular class. As a means of adding to the production of this country, assistance to -soldiers who engage in agriculture can possibly be justified.


Mr. F. F. PARDEE (Lambton West):: Mr. Speaker, I desire to say a few words with regard to the -amendment which has been introduced by the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck). In the first place let me join with the member for Beauce (Mr. Boland) in extending my congratulations to the chairman of the committee. I assure you that I most heartily endorse all that has been said with regard to his work; he has done his duty and done it well.
So far -as I can learn there is no one in this country; there certainly is no one in this House, who does not want to do the most full and ample justice and give the most full and ample reward, if -such can be given to the returned men. But, Sir, there is this to be said: although our [Mr. McGibbon. 1
sympathy goes out in the very highest degree to those who have suffered, individuals and countries alike must cut their coat according to their cloth. The argument may be advanced that -Canada has not done enough for her returned soldiers. Well, 1 shall not go into figures at all, but when we have regard to the fact that Canada has done, perhaps, more for the returned, -soldier than any other country in the world, we have a right as legislating here for the people of Canada, no matter to what extent our sympathies may be aroused, to refrain from assuming obligations which the people of this -country cannot fulfil. It is only ordinary justice to the people as a whole and to ourselves as representatives of the people that we should do as we think proper and that we should -stop when we think we have done as much as we can possibly do, having regard to our financial position.
I am wholly in accord with the member for Muskoka (Mr. McGibbon) when he says that the first to be looked after are the crippled, the maimed, the diseased and the dependents, the widows and the orphans. In extending assistance to these we cannot possibly go too far. The man who comes back with a five per cent irijury or the man who comes back one hundred per cent whole is the subject of our -admiration; he has done his duty to the full; he rose to the occasion -as a true citizen should do in a time of crisis. Yet he is here; he is practically whole. While we recognize that he took his place and took his chances as a citizen for the good of the country yet we should recognize also that with the ordinary aid that can be given him he should re-establish himself.
I have only this to say with regard to the amendment: many members of the committee would have been -glad to see their way clear to go farther th-an we did in the way of aid. For my part I was intensely anxious that students who had been interrupted in their university or school courses when they went to war, whose educational courses were subject to a hiatus of three or four years -at the very time when those students were most able to absorb what they should have -absorbed for use in life- these young men in -my opinion, were most worthy of consideration -and of assistance. Evidence on that point was given by some of the -best experts that Canada could produce, and they all testified that students should be helped. Again I say that I was entirely in sympathy with their view, but the question immediately arises-if you help one class, -why not help the other? Has

not the man who was in business, who gave it up, put up the shutters and went to the war, leaving his business to shift for itself, not as much entitled to be helped as any other class who went overseas? But if you go into that category and endeavour to help and re-establish every man to the extent of what he gave up for the purpose of going to the war, thousands and hundreds of thousands of dependents will be placed upon the country and the country can never afford to keep them.
The question of helping the fishermen was another subject that was discussed in the committee, and I have considerable sympathy with the idea of helping the fishermen because fishing is a producing industry; it is something that gives food to the people of this country. On the other hand, the student is a man who gives of his brain for the development of the country, not along one particular line, but along all lines, and, therefore, the argument in favour of helping the student would, perhaps, be just as strong as the'argument in favour of helping the fisherman. Therefore, when you come to consider all these classes of cases, the only thing the committee could possibly do, and the only thing the House is justified in doing, is in going as far as the report goes, the first reason being that financially we are not able to do more, and the second reason being that it would not be equitable, in fact, it would be inequitable to help one class without helping all classes. Consequently while I have much sympathy with the amendment of the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck), and while I am in favour of doing as much as possible for those men who require help, yet I, as a member of the committee, was convinced that one class had no more equitable Tight to be helped than another and that, therefore, if you helped one, you must help them all. The land settlement scheme has been brought forward as an argument in favour of helping the fishermen, but the land settlement scheme was and has turned out to be primarily a question of colonization, and colonization and production on the land are what this country needs.


Cyrus Wesley Peck: Is the fishing enterprise not equally a matter of colonization?


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: It may be a matter of
production, but in no sense is it a matter of colonization. The land settlement scheme is primarily a colonization scheme, and I was glad to hear the Minister of the Interior (Mr. Meighen) state in the House the other day that so far the land settlement scheme has been successful. I sincerely hope his prognostications as regards the land settlement scheme are absolutely true and that it will turn out to be as successful as we hope it will and as he said, the other night, it would. I cannot, however, see my way clear to support the amendment, for these two reasons. First, I believe the country is not financially able, because if it takes one class, it must take all, and, second, because it would be inequitable to take one class and leave the other out. The committee has done well by the maimed, and by the widows, orphans, and other dependents of those who went overseas and served their country, and, therefore, I think the committee and this House have gone just as far as we can go along these lines.


Mr. HUGH CLARK (North Bruce):: Mr. Speaker, the chairman of the committee (Mr. Cronyn) has been so much extolled that I need not add anything to the observations that have been made by the hon. member for Beauce (Mr. Belaud) and other members who have spoken in that regard. I should like to refer to the concluding paragraph of his speech in which he made reference to the attendance of the members of that committee and their attention to the work of the committee. A deliberate and apparently organized attempt had been made to make it appear to the public mind that the members of the committee were indifferent, if not hostile, to the needs and wants of the returned soldiers. There is an element that has never quite forgiven this Parliament for not granting gratuities to all soldiers. I for one opposed the granting of further gratuities to soldiers, and I am more opposed to that to-day than I was then. I can take the the view to-day that the hon. member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) expressed last year, namely, that if we had in the treasury a million dollars that we did not. know what to do with, I would not hand it out by way of indiscriminate gratuities, for the reason that to do so would work a positive disadvantage, not only to the returned soldier, but to the country as well.
I cannot, however, understand the reason why an attempt should be made to prejudice the public mind against the parliamentary committee that was discussing the question of pensions and the question of re-establishment. I have never seen any disposition on either side of the House to do anything except that which was to the advantage of the returned soldiers, and I have never seen any prejudice on either

side of the House against returned soldiers. I have seen nothing but a desire to do the very best we could, and the very best the country could afford to do for the returned soldiers. Why any organizations of returned soldiers should endeavour to make the public believe that the committee was indifferent, if not hostile, is more than I can understand. As the chairman has pointed out, the fact of the matter is, that no other committee had as little difficulty as this committee had in obtaining a quorum on every occasion except one, and that was when we sat in this House until 7 o'clock in the morning of the day the committee was convened. In order that the members might attend that committee regularly, we all had to neglect our primary parliamentary duties, and as a result of that we lost track of what was going on in the House, because the committee met in the afternoon and at night while the work of the House was in progress. It seems to me, Sir, that if the idea be still in the public mind, that the parliamentary committee was not disposed to do the proper thing for the returned soldiers, that idea ought to be dispelled by the report which was laid on the Table yesterday. When this legislation goes into operation, our pension list will be the largest in the world. For instance, under this report when given effect to a single man, if totally disabled will get in Canada, $900; in Great Britain* $506.13; in Australia, $379.60; in New Zealand, $506.13; in South Africa, $379.60; :n the United States, $1,200; in France, $4880; in Italy, $243.33. Let me point out that while the scale paid to a single man by the United States' Government is larger than ours, yet it remains the same all the way through the list. In the United States a single disabled man gets exactly the same amount as a disabled man with a wife and three children, or, for that matter, with, ten children. I do not suppose that any person in the Dominion of Canada would approve any such law as that. I understand the United States have discovered their mistake, and it is just possible they may revise their pension list so as to get it more in line with outs.. In Canada a man with a wife gets $1,200, exactly the same as in the United States. A man with a wife and child in Canada gets' $1,380, in the United States $1,200. A man with a wife and two children, in Canada gets $1,524, in the United States $1,200. A man with a wife and three children, in Canada gets $1,644, in the United States $1,200. In Canada there is an allowance of $120 for 
each additional child, while in the United States there is no such provision; it is simply a flat pension of $1,200.


Mr. ARTHURS:: Is the hon. gentleman aware that there are certain restrictions in the United States whereby all the disabled men do not get $1,200?


Hugh Clark: Yes. While I should like to be able to support the amendment of my hon. friend from Slceena (Mr. Peck), I must say that this matter has been discussed on other occasions than during this session by the special committee. The Committee on Re-establishment last year discussed the question of loans at some length, and my hon. friend from West Lambton (M(r. Pardee) and the hon. member for Calgary (Mr. Redman) were anxious to have loans made toi students whose university course had been interrupted by the war. I think I am violating no secret when I say that that proposal tentatively carried the committee, but afterwards, the demands for loans for other classes-for fishermen, blacksmiths, dentists, doctors, engineers and others whose business had been seriously interrupted by the war-became soi numerous and insistent that we made up our minds that our course should be dominated by the policy of looking after the disabled and the dependent. If we had opened the door to one of these other classes we would have had to open all doors. I must admit that we have got away somewhat from the idea of assisting only the disabled and the dependent. We got away from it when we granted loans to returned soldiers to settle on the land, but primarily, as had been stated before, that was a colonization scheme. We also got away from it when we extended vocational training courses to minors-boys who enlisted under the age of eighteen. But outside of those two cases we have kept within the disability and dependent class. Iff we break away from that and grant loans to re-establish soldiers in the fisheries, as suggested by my hon. friend from Skeena and my hon. friend from Gloucester, still more doors will have to be opened, because inevitably there will be a demand that we should do for other classes what we had done for the fishermen. Therefore I shall oppose the amendment.


Cyrus Wesley Peck: Were there not several members of the committee who endorsed aid to returned soldier students as well as assistance in other fields, and who also supported

the proposition to aid returned soldier fishermen?


Hugh Clark: That is right. Several members of the committee were in favour oif granting loans to university-students, to fishermen, and so on. I must say that my hon. friend from Skeena has been perfectly consistent. All the way through he hats taken the course that whether loans were granted to other classes or not, they should certainly be granted to the fishermen.


Mr. J. H. SINCLAIR (Antigonish and Guysborough):: Mr. Speaker, I am sure we are all very much indebted to the committee for the attention which they have given to this important question. As far as I have been able to study the report, I think it is a good one, and I am able to vote for it. I wa.s disappointed, however, to find that it made no mention of the great fishing industry of this country. I took occasion in the house last year to raise this question of asisting returned soldiers in the fishing industry, and I am very much indebted to my hon. friend from Skeena (Mr. Peck) and my hon. friend from Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon) for having brought the matter before the House to-day.
I do not agree with the arguments that have been put forward against the amendment. The farmers, after all, are simply a class, like the fishermen. I submit that it is not a sound argument at all to say that we cannot do .anything for the fishermen because they are a class, and that if we assisted them we would have to assist the blacksmiths, the carpenters, and everybody else. If that argument was sound, we would have to -abandon the farmers, as well as the fishermen. The reason why the fishermen can be assited, without involving assistance to the blacksmiths, or any other class, is that they are a very large and very important class in this country. You will find by the last fisheries report that there are over 80,000 men and women engaged in the fisheries on -the coasts oif Canada, and they are supporting a very large population outside of the people directly engaged in the industry. The production .amounts to over $50,000,000 a year, and the industry is only
4 p.m. in its infancy as yet. It is capable of greater development perhaps than any other industry in Canada, and as a great industry alone we (would be justified in assisting it.
I take it that the grants that are made to soldiers have a double object; one is
to re-establish the soldier in civil life and enable him to make a competent living, .and the other is to increase production. Now there is no industry, apart -from agriculture, which -assists production so -much as does the fishing industry, and as I said, it is capable o-f greater development still. I do not agree with the hon. member for Lamb-ton (Mr. Pardee) who said that assistance of this kind would not be helping colonization. What better colonization could you have than to establish on the coasts of thi? country a village or -town raising sturdy men who go out to the sea and make their living by fishing, and raise a family of boys who will man the merchant marine and the future navy oif Canada? Surely that is colonization of the proper kind, which every Canadian should like to- see encouraged. In my opinion there is no good argument against the amendment, and every argument that I can think o-f in favour of granting assistance to farmers applies in the same degree to granting assistance to the fishermen. I shall therefore vote for the amendment.


Mr. J. W. EDWARDS (Frontenac):: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member who has just taken his seat (Mr. J. H. Sinclair) has said that there were reasons why .the fishermen should not he classed with blacksmiths and carpenters. I think if the hon. gentleman had been perfectly frank he would have confessed that the chief reason in his mind was that fish were more numerous in the counties o-f Antigonish and Guysborough than blacksmiths -and carpenters. I have no particular fault to find with hon. gentlemen supporting this -amendment who live in constituencies where there are a number of fishermen. I can quite understand that they -feel, and very pro-perly so, that they should do something in support of those who live in their -constituencies.


Mr. MARGIL (Bonaventure):: Are there no fisheries in 'Frontenac?


John Wesley Edwards: It seems to me that in this whole matter of the re-establishment of the returned soldier and expending the country's money -for that purpose, we can divide the money expended into two classes. First of all, there is the money -that is required for pensions -for the dependents of those who fell in battle, and for the disabled or diseased who have returned from the war. I think I am right in sayiing that the committee never viewed -assistance to this class from the standpoint of our ability to raise the money. It was not a question of Canada's ability

to raise the money to properly pension the dependents of those who fell in battle or those who came back disabled. We must raise the money for them. But in regard to those who were fortunate enough to come back physically and mentally fit we have a right, and a bounden duty, to consider the ability of Canada to raise the funds that we are asked for by certain soldiers and certain organizations who have presented a claim for fishermen and others.
The hon. member for Antigoriish and Guysborough (Mr. Sinclair) says that every reason that can be advanced in regard to loans to those who went on the land can be applied with equal force to fishermen who are asking for assistance. I do not agree with my hon. friend in that. In advancing a loan to those who went on the land we have an absolute security for the loan itself. I do not think my hon. friend would argue that we could possibly have the same security in advancing a loan on a boat. Bequests were presented to the committee that we should advance loans to men who did not want to farm but who wanted to start up little businesses or corner groceries. But. after consideration it became apparent that you could not get any proper security on that because a man might get a loan upon a little store and then convert some of the goods into cash and get away over night. The same argument might apply to a man who got a loan on a boat. He is not in the same position as the solider who goes on the land, where the security is undoubted. It is unquestionably the best you can get when you advance money on land, and I think most people will agree that the security which the Government can get when loaning money to a man to buy a boat is not as good as that obtained when loaning money on land.
It is not a question of lack of sympathy with the returned fisherman-soldier. There is no question of lack of sympathy for not only the fishermen-soldiers1 who have returned, but the soldier in every occupation. I want to say, what has already been said, that I believe that from the first time that this matter came up in the House, notwithstanding what has been said by certain people of the Flynn type, there has never been an hon. member, whether he sits on the right or the left of the Speaker, but who has had the utmost sympathy with the soldier and has been anxious to do alt that this country could possibly do in reason for the soldier. I believe that is the attitude of the people from one end of Canada to the other.

This matter of granting loans to fishermen came up in the committee. The matter was fully considered by the committee from all standpoints. It was not merely a question of considering and dealing with that particular point. It opened up the whole subject of loans to students and to returned soldiers who wanted to build houses for themselves. It opened up endless problems. It opened up the question of the returned soldier who wanted to buy a little business and to carry on as blacksmith or engage in some other occupation. It opened up so many avenues that it would be impossible for us to give the country what we are in bounden duty to give it when we loan money, and that is the best security possible. We were therefore obliged to refuse the application made on behalf of the fishermen.
I think the committee-and I believe the House will endorse this-has given very careful attention to the whole question. Our pension list now, taking it all through, ranks the highest of any country that was engaged in the war and it does so because from the first moment the committee met there was a disposition on the part of every member not merely to ,be just but to be generous as our duty and responsibility as members of Parliament would enable us to be. Possibly in some respects the report may not be perfect. .That could hardly be expected but I do say that the committee gave long and careful attention to all these matters including the question of loans to fishermen with the desire to go just as far as their duties and responsibilities as members of this House and representatives of the people would enable them to go.
I think they have done that. I will therefore have to vote against this amendment, not as an expression of any lack of sympathy for the fishermen, but because I believe it would be discriminatory. I do not see how it will be possible to approve of the amendment proposed by the hon. member for Skeena to provide loans to fishermen without discriminating against others whose ' claims must be considered.


Mr. T. W. CALDWELL:: (Victoria and Car-leton): Mr. Speaker, I do not wish to detain the House at any great length as the question has been pretty fully covered by the report of the committee and the amendment thereto. But there is one feature that has not been brought to the notice of the House and that is why I rise to take part in the debate. I am in perfect sym-

pathy with the granting of loans to fishermen. I have a feeling that the Pensions Committee in the first place was very sympathetic towards extending loans to .all returned soldiers if the financial position of the country had warranted such a course. However this committee had not gone into the matter very far when it realized that that was an utter impossibility; that our pension list having reached a total of $33,000,000 per year you had to consider where you could get the money in order to give loans to all returned soldiers. I believe the fishing industry is a production industry just as well as is farming a producing industry. It is said that immediately you brought forward the question of loans to fishermen you would be opening the door to every other class. I do not agree with that because in the same sense the door was opened when we granted loans to farmers. I would like to increase production in the fishing industry and on the farm and thus help to cut down the high cost of living. I was also in favour of the loans to students. A student is in a little different class from any other man who has returned from the front. The man who wants to learn a trade can go into any occupation and earn his board and clothing when he is learning his trade. The student cannot do that. The student who has broken off his studies to defend his country comes back and he is in the position of not being able to earn money, but on the contrary, he must spend a laige sum and several years of his time in order to equip himself to take his place in his chosen calling. He is not even able to earn his board and clothing while undergoing his course of training. For that reason the student is in a different class from any other who has returned from the war. That is the point that I wished to bring out. However, this committee went into the question very fully and while it was not the unanimous feeling that loans should not be granted to fishermen and students the decision was arrived at by a majority of the committee. It would be impossible to get a unanimous opinion on any question of this character. The report as we have it before us was decided on by a majority of the committee and no doubt it would be useless to refer the matter back to that committee in the hope of getting any other decision than that which the committee has already arrived at. Further, to my mind if we referred back to the committee its recommendation with regard to an increase of pensions due to the 250
high cost of living, the recommendation would not be put into effect until next year or some future time. That is one point that has not been brought up in this discussion and I think it is a very important point. Suppose you did refer the recommendation back to the committee, the committee have practically decided that their labours are ended and some of the members, in view of the fact that we are nearing the end of the session, have returned to their homes. While the committee are not formally discharged I think they consider their duties are at an end, at least for the present session. I think I am logical in taking that position. For that reason it would be almost impossible to accomplish anything by referring any matter back to the committee during the present session.' As I say, it would mean that any action on the committee's report at this stage would have to be deferred until perhaps, next year, which I think would be very unwise. For that reason I am not able to support the amendment. While I am in sympathy with the spirit of the amendment I am not in sympathy with the method employed to give effect to it. If the bon. member for Skeena had moved an amendment that this recommendation be added to the report of the committee I would have supported it; but I will not support an amendment to refer it back to the committee for the simple reason that it will nullify the whole effect of the researches and recommendations of this committee during the present session.


Mr. C. G. POWER (Quebec South):: Let me also add my little word of praise. for the work done during the sittings of this committee by our chairman, the hon. member for London (Mr. Cronyn). He has, as my hon. friend from Beauce (Mr. Beland) has said, been punctual, courteous, impartial and just. He has been one of the very best chairmen that could possiblv have been chosen; and I congratulate the Government on having been able to find in their ranks a man of his calibre and character. I also wish to make certain criticisms of the Government and to point out, in my own humble way, certain mistakes which were made by the committee of which I was a member. In doing so I wish to dissociate myself entirely from the malicious and uncalled-for attacks which have been made on this committee throughout the country. The committee performed its duty faithfully and well. I do not think that any committee of the House ever had more members in attendance, and every witness was listened



to with extreme attention. Never have questions been discussed with keener understanding; never, perhaps, have the debates been so acrimonious or the divisions on debated questions so close. Instead of being accused of lack of energy and' of lethargy, the committee should at least be congratulated on the interest it has taken in the welfare of the soldier and his dependents. This having been said I hope I may be permitted to point out what, to my mind, were some of the mistakes we made during the course of our sittings. This House, on March 15 discussed a resolution offered by a private member to the effect that pensions for widowed mothers should be increased. On that occasion the Government, through the medium of the President of the Privy Council (Mr. Howell) announced that it had been decided this year to have a committee on pensions, which committee necessarily must have to do with the pension bonus which, as the House is well aware, is only granted from year to year. The pension committee was admitted on all sides to be necessary. The Pensions Act of 1919- whilst very good as far as it went, and whilst it received great consideration at the hands of those who studied it-did not, in certain respects, go far enough. Further, certain pensioners had found that owing to the increased cost of living the pension given to them was barely sufficient to meet the purpose for which it was intended. So that no controversy was possible on the desirability of having a committee on pensions. But some days afterwards, on March 17, the hon. member for Centre Winnipeg (Mr. Andrews) moved:
That, in the opinion of this House, the provision made for re-establishing in civil life the members of His Majesty's forces who served in the late war has in many cases proved inadequate, and that it is desirable that a special committee of this House be appointed to consider what provision can be made to meet such cases, the committee to have power to call for persons, papers and records, to examine with-nesses under oath and to report from time to time.
After considerable discussion of this matter it was announced by the then leader of the Government that a committee would be granted for the purpose of discussing questions of re-establishment. Now, Sir, to my mind, and I think to the mind of nearly every member of the House-I am quite sure of that from conversations 1 have had with them-bo, the mind of the hon. member for Centre Winnipeg, and to the mind of the soldier who read this resolution, " more adequate re-establishment " meant

one thing and one thing only-it meant a full discussion of the question of a further cash gratuity. That I am su 'e was in the mind of every soldier who a id it; that I am sure was in the mind d most of the members of this House. Nt v what happened? The committee was granted. A short time afterward it was v nnounced in the House that the Government, following its usual policy, would not grant a cash gratuity. In spite of that the committee which had been named held its first sitting. There, I think, is where the committee made its first mistake. I may say that for the purposes of re-establishment, the original committee on pensions had added to it a certain number of hon. members in order bo form a committee on pensions and reestablishment, two subjects which, to my mind are utterly dissimilar. I wish also to say that at the time the hon. member for Centre Winnipeg moved his resolution I pointed out to the House that there was no necessity for the committee on civil reestablishment if the Government had not changed its mind from last year with regard to the bonus. I pointed out also that I was afraid this committee was only a camouflage on the part of the Government to stave off criticism at the coming Great War Veterans' convention. Now, Sir, I imagine that my remarks on that occasion have been proven to be correct. At the very first meeting of the committee appointed to study pensions and re-establishment-it being well understood by the general public that re-establishment certainly meant the consideration of a cash gratuity-the question was brought up as to whether or not we should study a cash gratuity. At that time the committee decided that the question of studying a cash gratuity was within our jurisdiction, but in view of the fact that last year after a full and comprehensive study of and report upon the question and that the Government had definitely given its opinion thereon and pronounced against a cash gratuity and in the estimation of some members had decided not to do anything further, the committee said they would make no recommendation. To my mind oui mistake was this [DOT] I pointed out at the time, and I do not think I am violating any secrets of the committee when I say that a large number of the members of the committee were of my opinion. We had one duty, and one duty only-to return to this House and ask for further instructions in view of the fact that since our appointment the Government had definitely pronounced

on the most important subject which was to come before the committee, the subject of re-establishment. I have no criticism to offer of those fellow members whose views to the contrary were freely and frankly expressed, and I must say that their views seemed at the time to. be just as sound as views I urged.
What was the consequence? Instead of the Government taking on themselves the responsibility for this refusal it was shifted on to the committee, and we were reviled from coast to coast. Not that I complain of that. When I entered political life a short time ago I knew I was likely to get some hard knocks,-and I have had them. I am not blaming anybody for that. But there was another consequence. This was a non-partisan committee, appointed by the Government to investigate certain questions. Within a few days after its appointment this Government withdraws the most important question from the consideration of that committee. That is to say, this Government made both parties equally responsible for it. And this is the gravest ground of complaint. From the very moment that this committee decided not to hear the representatives of the soldiers in reference to this question, after having admitted that we had the right to hear them, then we shifted the responsibility on to our own shoulders and lost the confidence of the soldiers from one end of the country to the other. The results were evident at the time, and very shortly afterwards when the tem-pest-in-the-teapot controversy about the Mc-Lean-Cooper-Peck business arose the whole matter came to a head. We heard nothing but abuse of the committee, and there was no longer the slightest confidence in us. So much so that within a month before our report was brought down we heard that nobody would believe that we were going to do anything, and that even if we did do anything it would be because we were afraid. So that we deliberately allowed ourselves by our own folly to lose the confidence of the people whom we were appointed to serve.
We made another mistake. About a month ago before the Budget was introduced our pension report could and should have been brought down. It was practically ready. Why it was not brought down is to me somewhat of a mystery. It may be a political one. I may be wrong, but I see in the bringing down of the reports of the two committees-one good, and the other on reestablishment worthless-a certain amount of politics. I do not think it is the fault of the committee, because it had noth-250J
ing to do with the accumulation. I see in this a certain amount of politics, and I am afraid that were I to to look at the matter, with the little political instinct I have I would be able to point my finger at the man responsible. He is not in the House at the present moment, but he comes from Saskatchewan, and he is well know and admired wherever politicians foregather. He is, I understand, expected by the Unionist Government to out-Roger Bob Rogers to such an extent that he will be able to pull them out of the hole this summer. That is what I think was done in this instance, and he I suspect is to blame for this accumulation.
Now, Sir, to come to the question of gratuity proper. Heretofore I have voted against it and spoken against it openly, and I have never given the faintest encouragement to those who have favoured it. But had I known two years ago, even eighteen months ago, what I know and am convinced of to-day, I should have been in favour of giving a gratuity in the form of adding to the war service gratuity, doubling it or even trebling it, and giving it only for length of service and irrespective of grant. Had I known what I know to-day, had I known that all these fanciful schemes were to be put in force; had I known that our advertising was purely for the sake of raising false hopes in the soldiers; had I known that we had a soldiers re-establishment *committee that did not re-establish; had I known that we had an employment bureau that could not find a soldier a job; had I known that we were going to give millions for pittances to help the needy but which only helped bums who would not work; had I known also that we were to have a land settlement scheme which admittedly is not a colonization scheme but a scheme for speculation, and which is admitted from the Government side to be a scheme only for the purpose of placing one class, and not the most numerous class who went to war-had I known of all this waste, and of waste in every other department of Government, I would assuredly have said:	"When the
soldier returns give him a lump sum to satisfy him." Then instead of the soldier who bewails the day and bemoans the fate that made him a patriot, we would have * had a good citizen, proud of the country for which he achieved so much glory. That, Sir, would have been the best way to do it.
I do not blame the Government-probably they too were full of ideas,-I do not blame anybody else for it.

Now, Sir, with respect to the amendment of my hon. friend from Ske<ma (Mr. Peck), I have opposed it in committee conscientiously and consistently. I think the country made a mistake when it ever gave loans to the farmers for settlement, and I thing everybody is satisfied on that point now. I believe the country would make another mistake if it gave loans to the fishermen. If we helped the fishermen in that way I see no reason why we should not help the grocery man, the joiner, the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker-indeed, I see no reason why the lawyer and the doctor should not <ret their share of help. The doctor who went away to the war came back to find his practice ruined. Then, again, there is no reason why students should not be granted loans. So if my hon. friend will be logical I ill follow him. If as soon as his fishermen have obtained loans he will be willing to aek for loans (for every returnd soldier, I expect that he will then say, "Well, a certain number of returned soldiers cannot give security;" I will reply, "Those are the people who need loans most; therefore give help to them, give them a gratuity." If he is logical he will come to the same conclusion and give every soldier the gratuity that he is opposed to giving them to-day. So am I, I am opposed to gratuities at the present moment. But, as I say, if he is logical he will give a gratuity to the soldiers. So I am afraid I will be unable to support his amendment.
In conclusion I would ask the Government to do this for the soldier. They promised him all kinds of things, and as far as I remember they have done little or nothing to redeem their promises.
'The primary object of the appointment of the Pensions Committee has been lived up to. To my mind, with the exception of some small amendments which might be made with regard to widows iand other dependents of the deceased soldier, the provisions made by the committee are generous and fair. That is my greatest reason to objecting to having the work of the committee associated with re-establishment. Now, if the Government want to please the soldier why do they not follow the advice given to them by the President of the Great War Veterans' Association and by the President of the G.U.V.L.? They have asked the -Government to do something very simple; something that will not cost the country a cent; something that will, in fact, save money. They have asked the Government to resign and go to the country.

Mr. -SPEAKER: Order. I hope the hon. gentleman will bring his remarks more closely to bear upon the subject before the House.


Charles Gavan Power: Mr. Speaker, I am discussing the question of re-establishment and the demands of returned soldiers; in doing so I incidentally make the remark that perhaps it would be well for the Government to do for the soldier that which he demands.
I had intended to make a few remarks on the subject, and was going to conclude by quoting something that I read last night.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. gentleman
would be quite in order in making a reference, perhaps, to a general election. But he would certainly not be in order on this motion in making an argument as to why there should be a general election.


Charles Gavan Power: I am not making an argument on the question of a general election; not at all, Sir. I was reading last night something from Disraeli, who, shortly before the fall of the Gladstone ministry in 1872, said-and this is not an argument for an election:
As 1 sat opposite the.Treasury bench the Ministry reminded me of those strange landscapes not unusual in South America. You behold a range of exhausted volcanoes, not a flame flickers on a single pallid crest. But the situation-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order. The remarks of the hon. member are certainly not germane to the motion before the House, which is that the report of the committee be concurred in.


Charles Gavan Power: I am sorry, Mr. Speaker;
I have no desire to infringe on the hospitality of the House or of the Chair, and if I have done so I must apologize. But the Committee on Re-establishment and Pensions was appointed, I understand, to listen to the just demands of the returned soldier-even, sometimes, to his unjust demands. This is one of his demands. Unfortunately it did not come before the committee; the committee did not think it their duty to consider it. I think it is my duty to direct the attention of the Government to the matter; however, if I am not permitted to do so I will say this:	You have
done nothing to fulfil the promises which you made to the soldier while he was overseas. He was to return home as the owner of Canada. True, you have given him pensions, but that was only your duty; it was only what you told him when he went overseas that you would do; it is only your

duty to the relatives of the men who died in France. But you have done nothing for the soldier since his return. Grant him this one request-that the Government go before the bar of public opinion and let the people judge.	,


Mr. W. F. MACLEAN (York South):: Mr. Speaker, I wish at the outset to emphasize how much I have been impressed by the report submitted by the committee and to join with other hon. members who have expressed appreciation of its services. 1 believe the country appreciates what the committee has done. But I have been around the country a great deal; 1 have seen many of the returned soldiers in the cities and towns, and they still have a grievance. I notice in this House that those grievances are increasing, and that they are now taking the form of an appeal on behalf of classes or divisions. To-day a claim is put forward for the fishermen who were soldiers, and the suggestion is made that they be assisted in re-establishing themselves in their business. We have taken cognizance of the claims of returned men to be settled on the land, to be re-established as farmers and colonists. Then, we have heard to-day about students; and I am quite convinced that the number of claims on behalf of classes will continually increase. After studying the question as well as I can; after seeing the men themselves, reading what is going on in the press and hearing what has taken place at meetings of veterans all over the country, the thing that impresses me is that the only way to settle this question is to recognize all the soldiers who fairly served at the front and to gi-ve a very modest bounty inorder to have the account closed. That is what the country wants. We do not want to have this discussion resumed session after session and I urge the Government that they take the matter into their own consideration and settle it from this point of view. I impress upon the House the need for trying to get this question closed. Instead of dealing with it by classes and by interests or from the standpoint of geographical considerations, the House or the. Government should try to reach a settlement that will be final. To my mind- and I am only giving my own opinion

the best way to settle this question is by giving a modest gratuity or bounty to soldiers who did give their services to the country, who still think they have a grievance and who still have a bard time to get along.


Mr.   MARGIE@Bonaventure: What is a " modest bounty "?


William Findlay Maclean: I do not know what it is; it is not for me to say. But to my mind that is the way to settle the question. I present that view to the House after hearing a great deal about the matter, after hearing from thousands of men in my constituency who feel that they have a claim for consideration in the way of a bounty. I say that the question will not be settled until it is 'approached from that broad point of view; until, instead of dealing with classes, we deal with returned soldiers as a body and give some kind of consideration to them, having regard to the extent that they served and were at the front and participated in the war.


Mr. D. D. McKENZIE (Cape Breton and Victoria):: Mr. Speaker, the subject before us is a Very important one, and will, no doubt, receive careful consideration at the hands of Parliament. We have heard a great deal about the comprehensiveness and sufficiency of the report brought in by the committee. I would have been surprised if such a committee, with such a head, had brought in anything but a comphehensive and somewhat satisfactory report. If I have any criticism to make with regard to the conduct of the committee it is that they *sat too long. Perhaps it was difficult to finish the business in a shorter time, but seven or eight weeks is rather too long for a committee to sit. It takes practically eight weeks out of our sessions-which are long enough, goodness knows-and it cuts short the time for consideration of whatever report may be brought in. Perhaps I had not the ability to be named on this committee, but I regard myself as fortunate in escaping it. I was not on that committee; and if I had been, 'I would not_ say that I could have got, through the work more quickly. If,'however, I had any advice to give to a committee man, it would be to endeavour to select his subjects, that is, to select his witnesses, and if he can get three or four men who can tell their story in the right manner and to the extent that is . necessary for the purposes of the committee, that is all that is necessary. In that way a great deal of time could be saved in the committee and more time left in the House to discuss the necessary details in putting a report of this kind into effective shape.	*
The hon. member for York South (Mr. W. F. Maclean) says that it would be de-

sirable to deal with this question expeditiously and to make an end of it. I would agree with him to a very grea/t extent in that if it could be done. Certain classes we could satisfy, or we could at least tell them that that is all they are going to get, and that is the end of the matter, but there are only comparatively few of that class. On the other hand, we have on our hands a large body of men with whom we cannot deal in that way, men who are more or less maimed, some of them being 95 per cent incapacitated, others being 100 per cent incapacitated. We have also large armies of women and children on the hands of the Government and the country. Conditions vary from time to time, from year to year, and sometimes from month to month, and there must be an authoritative body to deal with those men, women and children in the different stages as they move along. Of course, they drop out as they die; the children drop out as they come of age and the widows drop out as they get married, or other changes take place in life. But there ig a floating population, a stream of people walking alongside of us with whom we must keep in touch and of whom we must take care all along. That being the case, it is impossible to carry out in its entirety the proposition of the hon. member for York South that we should reach a conclusion, cut the thing off and be done with it. I do not say that in any harsh sense. I know the hon. member is anxious to deal in the most generous and best way with everybody who was concerned in the war. We all have a desire to get rid of troubles if we can, and we would get rid of any troubles of this class just as quickly as we could, but there is no use making the attempt because we have to look after the interests of those soldiers while they continue to require our assistance. So much for that.
The amendment that is before the House this afternoon is a very important one, one which deals specifically with the fishermen of this country. It is difficult to get in this country anybody who does not belong to some class. He is a very peculiar man whom you can single out by himself and say: He is alone; he does not belong to a class. I think it is a safe proposition to say that" everybody belongs to some class or another, and if you do anything for any soldier you are possibly doing it for a man of that classs. I am not trying to make a proposition of dealing with a class easily; but when we segregate the soldier into classes we try to get them into the largest groups and to deal with the largest groups.

The farmer is possibly the largest group which went overseas, although I am not sure about that. The miner is a very large and extensive group; the lumberman is a large group, and the fisherman is a large group. I have no doubt the fishermen would be one of the large groups, and if we are going to deal with fishermen, we are dealing with them because they belong to a large class of people in this country. They are important people, good citizens, who have done their part in the war, who are a producing class, men who become heads of households, who have a family around them, who have a little stock of implements requisite for carrying on their trade. Besides that, as a rule, you find a fisherman with a little bit of a farm whenever he can get one and with a few cattle, doing the best he can to support his family. You also find him assuming the responsibilities of citizenship in whatever part of the country he lives. He is just as much a colonizer as a farmer. True, half a dozen farmers spread along the country-side, each with a farm, make a big showing, much more if you take 20, 30 or 50 of them and spread them along the country-side iwith farms. On the other hand, if you take 20 or even 50 fishermen and put them into a little village toy the seaside where they follow their avocation of fishermen, they do not make .much of a showing. I am going to leave them as a class because they do not require any advocacy on my part. Their standing in the country is as Safe and high as that of any other class that we have. I have only one other commendation to make of the fishermen. When my right hon. friend (Sir Robert Borden) was running his election in 1911, not then burdened with the responsibility of being a Prime Minister, but having a fair hope that the goal of his ambition was not far distant, he singled out in this country one class of people who were the apple of his eye, upon whom he set his affection, and he .said: "IP I should ever come into power, there is in this country one class of people which, above all others, I should like to safeguard and protect and carry along safely, metaphorically speaking, in my arms, and those men are the fishermen. The right hon. gentleman told us then that if he should ever get into power he was going to apply for medical care and attendance for the fishermen of Canada. Of course, he did not do that, tout that is always understood. The heart was there; the good intention was there, and if he did not look upon them as

the best class of men to single out for this great benefit to foe conferred upon them; if they rwere not the class of people deserving of that, he would not have so singled them out. With all the other deserving characteristics of the fishermen of this country, I have to their credit this one thing which no other class of people in Canada has obtained from so high an authority as the Prime Minister. Whoever else will vote for this amendment if it comes to a vote, I feel confident that, in view of past opinions which the Prime Minister has held of the fishermen of Canada, he will not go back on his record and do anything but vote for this amendment and do the very best in the interest of the fishermen. I leave the question of the fishermen there to speak for itself.
There are occasions when I ram influenced by certain hon, gentlemen in the House.
I am delighted to foe able to vote with the hon. member dor Skeena (Mr. Peck). Almost every Scotchman is an admirer of another fighter, and I must say that I have the greatest possible admiration for the hon. member for Skeena, not for any political side that he may foe on because, at present he is on the wrong side, but for other excellent [qualities which he possesses.
I am still hopeful that, when things mix up a little and when he gets his bearings again, he may wander to some more congenial clime than where he now chooses to eet himself.
This amendment [would foe particularly embarrassing for me if I had any notion of voting against it-I -may say I have not- because the hon. member for Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon) is the seconder. What -am I going to do-? -I think he -and I have always voted together, and I find it -always s-afe to cast my vote with his. For that reason I shall foe -able to give undivided and unquestioned support to this amendment when it comes -to a vote. There is another reason, which is close to the heart of every man, -and that is one likes to give any cause a second chance. There -will be a second opportunity, if the amendment is adopted, for the committee to gather up the details in this matter and deal with it briefly. Some hon. -gentlemen say it would take too long. There is no -reason why it should take long. The facts are all before the committee, and if the committee -chooses to change their report, they can do so in half an hour. If they decide against changing it, that is an end of the matter.
There is another part of the committee's report which I wish to bring to the attention of the House, and that is the part dealing with vocational training. It has been brought to my notice that those who are engaged in the different courses of vocational training in this country are not satisfied with the hearing they received before the committee. I do not believe that is the fault of the chairman, or possibly the members of the committee. However, the fact remains that a large body of men who are receiving vocational training, particularly in the province of Ontario, and who were promised, I am told, that they would be called upon to appear before this committee to give evidence when the proper time came, were not called. The committee wound up its business and made its report without giving these men an opportunity to tell the committee what they thought should be done in their ease. It is a great mistake for any committee, or even a judge or jury, dealing with returned soldiers not to give them the greatest possible opportunity of presenting their case and consider it in the most careful way. After that is done we must, of course, maintain that stability of judgment which should characterize us all, and deal with every subject upon its merits and within our powers. But we should not let it be supposed that we pre-judge a case, or reach a conclusion too quickly and refuse to give the men affected the fullest opportunity of presenting their case. I have here a statement prepared in writing. I am always timid when approaching the reading of a document in the House for fear I might be called to time, but I hope for the sake of saving time I shall be permitted to put this statement on Hansard so that the Prime Minister and the Government, and everybody concerned with the conduct of vocational training and soldiers' civil re-establishment may see it. What these men have to say, for I make no secret of the fact that this document which I hold in my hands was handed to me by gentlemen who are concerned about the matter of vocational training, is briefly this: Vocational training-and this is news to me is -conducted -differently in the province of Ontario from other provinces. The province of -Ontario, possibly to the pride of the province, have insisted upon conducting this educational work themselves. It is only to-day that I discovered that while the bare machinery of conducting these schools -the appointment of teachers, and so forth 

belongs to this Federal Government, the real substance of the work is carried on under the supervision and control of the Government of Ontario. I understand they

took this position because they
5 p.m. insisted on provincial rights. They insisted that vocational training was education, and that being education, it came within their jurisdiction. They have maintained that position and I am told that the work is being done very well by the province, that, if anything, it is being done better in Ontario than in other parts of Canada. Let me as briefly as possible go over the few facts I have here, just by way of presentment of the case to the Government, with the hope that they will give the matter consideration. Whether this report is referred back to the committee or not, there will be an opportunity for the Government to put something in the Bill that will be of assistance to those who are receiving vocational training, if they think proper so to do. These are the facts I would put before the Prime Minister and the Government and hon. members of the House:
Question 1.-In view of the fact that the clerk of the Parliamentary Committee on Soldiers' Civil Re-Establishment wrote to the Vocational Advisory Board of the Soldiers' Aid Commission, province of Ontario requesting that Major W. E. Harris and Captain W. C. Roberts, members of the Board, hold themselves in readiness to give evidence before the Committee on matters concerning Vocational Training.
Why was it decided that they should not be called ?
Question 2.-Upon whose advice was it decided that they should not be heard?
Question 3.-Since, in the letter to the Chairman of the Committee, before the report of the Committee was tabled, these officers, representing the Provincial Government of Ontario, protested against the refusal to hear then-evidence, and since they stated-that the evidence heard did not cover all the points which they desired to submit, why was such discourtesy shown to the Provincial Government in that no attention was paid to their request and that their letter to the Chairman of the Committee was not even answered?
Question 4.-Does the Government consider that the evidence given before the Committee by Messrs. Stalford, Nicol, and Newman covered the whole ground and constituted a thorough investigation regarding existing conditions as regards Vocational Training under the D S C.R.?
Question -ri.-In regard to the increase in rates recommended to be paid to Vocational Students from the 1st September next, was this decision arrived at after realization of the fact that since applications for Vocational Training had to be submitted before the 1st February 1920 and since courses are granted for periods of Six (6) months, then by the date mentioned for the increase, there will be only a few special students undergoing Vocational Training, and that therefore the increase does not serve the purpose for which it was designed while admitting the necessity for an increase?
Question 6.-Since a too strict interpretation of the regulation which states, that in order to be eligible for a Vocational Course a man
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must have a disability "due to or aggravated by service" has resulted in hardship to many men who have been refused a course on the ground that present disability pre-existed service, will the Government give information as to the number of men refused courses, because disability was not considered to be ''due to or aggravated by service"?
Question 7.-Will the Government point out what evidence was taken by the Committee during the investigation made by them, concerning the matter dealt with in the previous question ?
Question 8.-Since an order in council exists stating that the sum of $480.00 shall be the maximum amount expendable on a Vocational Course granted to a Minor, and since because the increase of allowances this amount will now be expended in six and a half months maximum, will the Government state what evidence was taken by the Committee to show that this time is sufficient for the purpose of training Minors?
The point here is that the amount was left the same, that is $480, and the term was shortened to six months. The money will be paid in six indnths, but the student is not half through his training and it is pointed out that some other provision ought to be made in order to give the student a sufficiently long period in taking his course to get the full benefit at the end of the term and make the student most useful to the community when he is ready to go out and begin work in whatever vocation he may have been trained for.
Question 9.-Is the Government aware that many Minors have not been re-established because the course given them Is already too short, and that such a further shortening of the course cannot result in the purpose-of re-establishment being served? What evidence was taken by the Committee concerning this subject?
Question 10.-Since a bonus of one months pay is paid at the completion of the course, to men granted a course by reason of disability, with a view to covering the time until employment can be obtained, why does the Government differentiate against the Minor in this regard and refuse to grant him such bonus? What evidence was taken by the Committee concerning this subject?
Question 11.-Why does the Government grant courses to Minors who enlisted under the age of 18 against military regulations, and refuse to grant courses to students and apprentices who, probably at the request of thir parents and according to the laws of the country waited until they were 18 years of age before they enlisted? What evidence was taken by the Committee which resulted in a decision to maintain this differentiation?
Question 12.-Since the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-Establishment profess to use industries to train soldiers, chiefly because of the chance of employment at the completion of a course, why has it been necessary during the last year to double the staff of the After-Care-Department at Provincial Headquarters D.S. C.R. at Toronto, if these men had been properly trained? What evidence was heard by the Committee in this regard?
Question 13.-In regard to Section (6) paragraph (f) of the Committees Report, what is

the general policy of the Government in regard to this loan? Will the Government make a return of the number of applications made, and the number of loans granted under this regulation ?
Government found that *where men have been placed directly in Industries to be Vocationally placed directly in Industries to be Vocationally trained therein, that such men have been exploited as cheap labour and that the main concern of the industry is to have the Government pay the salary of such employee and thus allow the Industry to reap the benefit of production at lew cost?
The contention here is that where young men are put for vocational training in factories and other places the factory owners take advantage of their labour and do not give the training to the young men which is necessary to carry out the purpose for which they are there. That is a point that is well worth considering and if there is anything along that line which should be improved I have no doubt the Government will see that it is improved.
Will the Government point out what evidence was heard by the Committee in this regard?
Question 15.-Will the Government explain why all applications for Vocational Courses have to be submitted to Ottawa for approval and will it explain why in the case of No. 1063136 J. French there has been a period of 1 year and 10 months elapse between the time of his application for a course and the present and if the case is still pending?
Will the Government point out what evidence the Committee heard regarding the advisability of delegating power to the Provincial Headquarters of D.S.C.R. to grant courses, leaving general control of principles involved to Dominion Headquarters.
Question 16.-What action was taken to ensure that the Order in Council setting February 1st 1920 as final date for receiving applications for courses was given sufficient publicity?
How many applications for courses have been refused on account of being submitted after this date?
Will the Government point out what evidence was heard by the Committee on this point?
Question 17.-Since many men taking courses are physically sub-normal, what steps have the Government taken to ensure that the length of Course granted is long enough to ensure sufficient proficiency to earn a living wage on completion of his course.
WThat evidence was heard by the Committee in this regard?
Question 18.-In view of the fact that the points in regard to Vocational Training suggested in above questions, and in view of other facts not now mentioned, does the Parliamentary Committee consider that it has dealt with the important question of Vocational Training in an adequate and sympathetic way?
Question 19.-Will the Government grant any further facilities for a thorough investigation into the working of the Vocational Department D.S.C.R. with a view to improving existing conditions and formulating necessary remedies?
If I were in any other position than that of presenting the case of returned soldiers
I would possibly feel that I was imposing on the House. But this is the case of returned soldiers who say that they were told to go before the committee and tell their story and that afterwards they were sent word that they need not come, that their case was not going to be heard. They accordingly take this indirect way of asking a member of this House, my humble self, to take advantage of the presentation of this report to bring the .matter up and thus give them an opportunity of telling their story. This will go on record and the chairman of the committee, the minister in charge of this department, and everybody else who is in any way concerned about the welfare of these men receiving vocational training will have an opportunity of reading the story from their standpoint. The facts should be before Parliament and be- * fore the officials of the different departments concerned. I hope these various men who were subpoenaed to appear before the committee but who afterwards were not given the opportunity of telling their story will be called into the department and that the minister who is in charge of vocational training will give them the fullest possible opportunity of saying what they have to say and provide whatever remedies they are entitled to. I repeat to the Prime Minister and to the Government that it is highly necessary that every possible attention should be given to any cases of this kind, so that whether we can give money or whether we can give the things that we should give, one thing we will always give and that is a respectful hearing and a sympathetic ear to whatever these men have to present. They are entitled to it and I am sure there is no justification for a lack of attention when these men present their views on this very important subject. With the presentation of this matter and hoping that it will receive careful consideration and that whatever action is necessary may be taken, I will say again that I am in favour of classing the fishermen of this country as being amongst those who are entitled to receive consideration.
I am in favour of including the fishermen of this country in the classes that are entitled to receive consideration. I think it was the hon. member for Frontemac (Mr. Edwards) iwho said that the fisherman cannot give the same security for the loan as the farmer. I do not quite agree with that. The fisherman would only require a small loan, the farmer gets a big one, and I submit to the Government that the security of the fisherman for a email loan, is just

as good as the security of the farmer for a large loan. I am not finding fault with the farmer who goes on the land. We give him land, we give him cattle, we 'help him to build a house-our money going to all of these purposes, and some of his own I suppose. Then he gives a security on what we have provided for him and we hope that it will !be successful security and that he himself (will be successful in his operations. That is the postion of the farmer. The fisherman builds a boat, constructs .a little wharf, and equips himself with nets and whatever else is necessary for him to carry on fishing. The Government could take security on everything he has and lend him a few hundred dollars in order to start him up. In a very short time he would be able-if he has any luck at all-to pay that money 'back, because the turnover in fishing is very much more rapid than it is in farming; and I am quite confident that, taking the proportion of the two loans and taking the character of the security dn each case, you will get just as good security from the fisherman proportionately as you do from t'he farmer. I am not saying that the farmer is less deserving of help than the fisherman. I say that both should be helped; and every returned soldier in this country that is willing to work, and produce, and support his family, should, within reasonable bounds, he helped. Along those lines I trust t'he committee will have another turn at this report, and, excellent as it now is, that they will give it a little polish that will reflect the face of the fisherman smiling, bright and happy.


Mr. MICHAEL CLARK (Red Deer):: As I assume my hon. friend from Skeena will press his amendment to a division, and as I apprehend that no matter how an hon. member may vote on this question he is liable to be misunderstood I want to say a word or two by way of explanation of how. I, at any rate, shall vote. I shall support the report of the committee because of what it contains; I cannot see my way clear to oppose it because of what it does not contain. As my hon. friend from Carleton, N.B. (Mr. Caldwell) pointed out this is in the first place a very practical parliamentary question at this stage of the session. We have a committee which has drawn up a report as to which I should like, if time permitted, to repeat all the complimentary things which have been said of the chairman. In the drawing up of that report the committee have spent weeks of arduous and unremitting toil and in effect they say to the House: Having regard to the financial
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condition of the country Which we have carefully gone into and having regard to the present claims of one particular class oi the community, we do not feel that we can go further, as a pensions committee, than in suggesting, what all of us admit to be, most substantial advances, bringing what Canada has done for the disabled, and the dependents of the dead, into the front rank of the relief which has been given by any belligerent country. Now my hon. friend from Carleton, N.B., has told us on his authority as a member of the committee, that even if this report did go back to them at this stage of the session, he is perfectly confident that they have gone into the work so thoroughly the report would not be altered in the sense of the amendment. So I am brought to this position: If I voted for the amendment I should be showing for the returned soldier that of which he has had a very great abundance but which does not do very much for him; I should be showing sympathy, but there would be no possibility, or no probability, of giving him practical help. That is the practical Parliamentary question to settle; and I feel that so much pains have been taken with this report, it carries us so much farther on the road which we shall travel- believe me, Mr. Speaker,-for some time in this country, that I could not take the responsibility of running any risk about making immediate progress to the point that the committee has recommended.
Now, turn for a moment to the merits-


Cyrus Wesley Peck: I (would like to ask -my hon. friend a question. Has he not repeatedly voted to defeat the Government, and had he succeeded would he not have prevented the good ,work of the committee and the advantages of this report from having been brought in?


Hugh Clark: I have the very great difficulty in answering my hon. friend's question in that I did not hear a word of it. If my hon. friend will repeat it in a louder voice I will do my very best to give him as courteous a reply as I know how.
Turning to the merits of the question, 1 draw a sharp distinction in regard to an argument which has been touched upon by several hon. gentlemen. I draw a sharp distinction between farmers dealt with under the Land Settlement scheme, and fishermen or any other class of the community. Let me say in regard to the amendment in the first place that I do not think its drawing is very happy in this connection. The amendment asks us to give

subsidies to fishermen the same way that we have done to farmers. Well, Mr. Speaker, if I understand this question, -we have not given any subsidies to farmers; we have given loans to farmers, so that I take it my hon. friend would regard my criticism of the wording of the' amendment as well placed.


Cyrus Wesley Peck: The object of the amendment is for aid to be granted in the way of loans, not subsidies.


Hugh Clark: If that is what the hon. gentleman means I will not go. any further in criticism of the wording of his amendment. I was saying, Sir, that I draw a sharp distinction between farmers dealt with under the Land Settlement scheme and the fishermen or any other class in the community. I was perfectly clear in my own mind-listening to the discussion on the Land Settlement scheme when it was first introduced, as I have on every subsequent occasion it has been before the House -that the intention of the Government as expressed by the Minister of the Interior was to give help to soldiers, it is true, under the Land Settlement scheme, but their first and most primary consideration was that that scheme was a fine thing for Canada. In that view I thoroughly concurred, and the Land Settlement scheme has had my modest benediction since its inception. Sir, I used an argument in the remarks I addressed to the House on the Budget, supported by figures, which went far, in my judgment, to show that it is upon the development of the land, upon the possibilities of agriculture, in this country, that we depend not only for our financial success but for our financial solvency in the years that are immediately before us; and I said in the original debate on the Land Settlement scheme that I supported it not in the view that it was any great benefit to the soldier to begin with-and I spoke from considerable experience of what he is up against and what he has to go through-but that in my judgment, considering the fibre of the men we were going to have on the land, it would be a splendid thing for the whole country. That I think differentiated the farmer from the other classes concerned not so much in quality as in degree. The fisherman-to the extent that he pr <-duces-of course benefits the country just as much as the farmer does; but we must consider what are the possibilities in the way of developing certain industries, what are the financial results to come out of the support of those varying industries, and I
contend that my differentiation is well taken in that regard.
Now, that brings me to the consideration that after all, Mr. 'Speaker, in regard to a loan we are reduced in the last analysis to the elementary fact that two parties are concerned-one is the lender, the other is the borrower; and if the lender has nothing to lend, the borrower naturally goes out of the question, and the lender keeps out. We have the assurance that up to the present time, with the expenditure on the land settlement scheme and the other immense expenditures involved in the aftermath of the war, the country is strained to the utmost possibility of its finances. Faced with that condition of affairs, I come to the argument which I think is absolutely sound, that if you consider the case of the fishermen you must consider also the case of the man who wants to start a small business -in a word, you must consider any other class in the community who may have reasonable claims on the Government, the Parliament, and the people of this country for their war work. And if we considered this amendment we should be undertaking the first step in a whole series of financial commitments which would lead us to a point where I do not think the finances of the country could stand the strain. That is how the question looks to me up to the present moment.
There is only one point I have further to make, . Mr. Speaker, and it is this. I do not take it that the report of the committee closes the door on further consideration of any soldier's case. I modestly offered to the House when the question of subsidies was up before a suggestion along the lines of my hon. friend from South York (Mr. Maclean), which I would have accompanied by the consideration that both parties to the bargain would regard the matter as closed-


William Findlay Maclean: Hear, hear.
Mr. MICHAEL CLARK -which received at that time very scant support in this House, and later very scant support from the committee. I fear that for the moment that suggestion has gone by the board. But I want to repeat that I do not vote for the adoption of the report of the committee on the understanding that it closes the question of the returned soldier. We shall not be able to close it, .because we may be sure that it will crop up in various shapes in the years to come. But I do repeat that we have gone a long way for the moment.

Now, there is the practical consideration which I wish to offer to the Government, if I may do so, in regard to this matter being closed. I tried to find out from my hon. friend the ex-Minister of Militia while he was still in office-but he told me the work was not really in the Militia Department-whether the Government had accurate statistics as to how many returned men are now reasonably placed in this country. What occurs to me from time to time, knowing my own immediate surroundings in Alberta, is that most of the sons who have happily come back to their homes are continuously and profitably employed on the farms from which they went to the war. I want to say to my hon. friends of the Government in very good faith and with very great earnestness, that I think it would greatly facilitate the work of Parliament and of this Government in future appeals that are made to us if an endeavour were made through some department to get accurate statistics as to how many returned men are placed, and how many there are yet to place. So that I think in the recess -which I trust we shall approach sometime between now and Christmas; rather near midsummer than Christmas, I hope-inquiry might very well be made along that line, and the Government* might endeavour to furnish themselves with information which would be helpful to us in future appeals to this House-or to some other House with a much changed personnel.
As I see the question up to the present moment, I have in the brief period-in the ordinary acceptation of the adjective brief-put my views as well as I know how before the House, and I shall vote with a clear conscience for the report.


Robert Laird Borden: I think there is a good deal of merit in the contention put forward by my hon. friend (Mr. Clark), as to the importance of exact statistics so far as they can be obtained with respect to the present occupations of men who went overseas to fight in pursuance of their duty to. their country. There is much to be said for that contention, and I am not certain whether the committee whose labours have been so prolonged have given any consideration to the importance of such statistics or to the means by which they could be obtained. For the moment I can only say to my hon. friend from Red Deer (Mr. Clark) and to the House that I shall commend his suggestion to the 'attention of the Minister of Militia and to the attention of the Min-

ister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, and I hope that the House may at the earliest available opportunity have the information which has been asked for.
So far as the motion itself is concerned, no one can deny that it demands the most attentive consideration, and that for two reasons. In the first place, it concerns the report of a committee which for nine weeks was engaged in as active and laborious work upon the questions committed to it as was ever performed, I think, by any committee of this House. And I desire to associate myself most'unreservedly with all that has been said in appreciation of the work of the members of the committee, and especially of the work of the chairman and vice-chairman. Then the motion is also deserving of our closest attention because it has relation to men who fought overseas and who belong to a class whose occupation is of the highest advantage to the country as a whole, who are distinguished by their zeal and industry in that occupation, and who are deserving of every possible consideration that Parliament and the country can give to them.
I find, however, that the question involved in the amendment has been dealt with in the report of the committee and has been carefully considered by that committee. They say in their report:
As was more fully set out in the Report of last year, financial assistance in the form of loans or grants has been suggested for the benefit of a great variety of classes of returned soldiers whose needs covered almost every possible activity.
And after enumerating some of these, including fishermen both on the coasts and in the inland waters, university students, and those who desire loans for the purpose of re-paying mortgages or other indebtedness on their houses, or of buying or erecting homes in which to reside, and various other classes, the committee say in conclusion:
The difficulty which faced your Committee was the conviction that a grant to any particular class or classes, no matter how worthy or pressing their needs might be, must inevitably result in the widest extension of a system of loans for all and every .purpose of re-establishment.
No concrete, workable plan whereby such a general system of advances could be safely adopted has been suggested, and your Committee feels unable to recommend any scheme which could equitably supply the demands of the many whose suggestions have been brought to its attention.
Now, we referred this question to a strong and very representative committee of the House, and I think we are all agreed that

the labours of that committee have been intelligent, zealous and indefatigable. The member for North Cape Breton and Victoria (Mr. McKenzie) presented a very extraordinary argument; he said that he would like the committee to have a second chance. Well, that principle if carried out to its logical conclusion would result in the reference back of' every report made by a committee of this House in order that they might have a second chance. It is precisely the reverse of the principle upon which Sir Wilfrid Laurier acted. Sir Wilfrid Laurier always took firm' ground that when any matter had been referred to a committee of the House and had been dealt with by that committee and opportunity had been given for the consideration of every question so referred, the report of the committee ought to be adopted and approved by the House unless the strongest possible reasons to the contrary could be substantiated. I think that is a very good principle in any case, but particularly I think it is a good principle to apply to the report of a committee which has been so active, so earnest and so zealous in its work as the committee in ' question.
I would like to emphasize what has been said by one or two hon. members. It is perfectly easy for us, sitting in this Chamber, to vote that a great many millions shall be provided for the purpose of making loans, but it is an entirely different question when you come to look around for the money with which to do it. I sometimes doubt whether hon. members realize just what the financial burdens of this country are. Twenty-four years ago to-morrow I was first elected to this House. When I came here in 1896 one usual ground of contention between the parties during the previous three, four or five years, and one serious ground of contention then, was whether or not the expenditure ought to be above or below $40,000,000 in each year. The interest on the public debt to-day is $100,000,000 more than the amount which was regarded as a reasonable annual public expenditure twenty-four years ago. The pension list of Canada has increased-it is very properly increased by the committee to whom the question was referred-until it is almost equal to the total expenditure of this country when I first entered Parliament. I think we must all realize, earnest as we are in the desire to help in every way the men who have done so splendidly their duty at the front, that there is, nevertheless, a Teal limit beyond which we cannot
go in the provision of money, whether by grant or loan or other method, and I hope that the House will bear that in mind. The member for Skeena (Mr. Peck) has put his case very forcibly to the House and he has been eloquently supported by my hon. friend from Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon). The hon. gentleman's motion, in the terms in which it was proposed, does not quite express what he had in mind. It reads as follows:
That the said report be not now concurred in, but that it he recommitted to the Special Committee appointed to consider the continuance of the war bonus, with instructions that they have power to amend the same so as to recommend that subsidies he granted to fishermen as well as farmers.
My hon. friend explains that the intent of his amendment is to provide something in the form of loans, and we shall accept, of course, the meaning which he had in mind. But may I point out to my hon. friend from Skeena, my hon. friend from Gloucester and other gentlemen who have spoken in this matter that as soon as the report of this committee was made and presented to the House, the Government felt so impressed by that, reporthaving regard to the personnel of the committee, and the work which to the knowledge of the Government that committee had done, and the devotion and ability which they had brought to the task-that we immediately placed on the Ordets of the Day the resolutions necessary to carry out that which the committee had recommended. We subtracted nothing; we took the report of the committee as a whole and put on the Order Paper the resolutions necessary to carry it out. I had hoped to make some progress with these resolutions this afternoon., and I trust that before the House rises to-night we shall make some progress and have the Bills introduced and read the first time. But if the motion of my hon. friend from Skeena should prevail and this report should be referred back, what would be the position of the Government? Are we to hold our hand and take no further action until we know whether or not that report is to be modified? That must Tesult in one of two things: either prorogation will have to be deferred for some time, or we shall let this legislation stand over until another session. I am anxious, .and I know that my hon. friend from Skeena is anxious, to give effect to the report of the committee in so far as it does bring aid and comfort and help to those who have fought for us in the war and to their dependent's. Now, if this report is referred back, the committee will either go through the empty form of
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having another vote or it must embark once more upon a careful examination of the matters to which they have already given attention during some nine. weeks. Under the circumstances, is it possible for ug to imagine that the one course or the other would really result in inducing members of the committee to alter the opinion which they have already expressed? I hope, therefore, that the hon. member for Skeena and the hon. member for Gloucester, whose views in these matters are entitled to the utmost respect, will see the advantage, from the standpoint of the returned men themselves of having the aid and comfort and help recommended by the committee embodied in actual legislative proposals and passed by Parliament at the present session. That is what the Government had in mind; that was the impelling reason that induced the Government, the very moment this report was laid on the table of the House, to place upon the Order Paper the resolutions necessary to carry it out.


Cyrus Wesley Peck: I do not know whether under the rules of debate I am entitled to reply.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: No, the hon. member (Mr. Peck) is not entitled to Teply, but if he desires to ask the unanimous consent of the House to do so, I will submit the question to the House. I? it the pleasure of the House that the hon. member have leave to reply?


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Mr. COPP:: Before the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck) replies, I may say that if the question is going to a vote I wish to make a few remarks. If, on the other hand, the hon. member intends to withdraw his amendment, I do not care to take up the time of the House. If my hon. friend is not going to withdraw his amendment-


Cyrus Wesley Peck: I am in a very difficult situation-	.


Arthur Bliss Copp: -I will say just a word or two. It will take me only a few moments.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: It is not understood that the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck) now closes the debate.


Arthur Bliss Copp: All right.


Cyrus Wesley Peck: I am put in a most difficult situation. The reason I moved this amendment was because I wanted to achieve results, and I thought that my amendment in regard to fishermen had the beet chance of carrying of anything that might be suggested in regard to the re-establishment of 
returned soldiers. Many other suggestions in that direction might be made, but I did not. consider that they had the same prospect of carrying. When hon. gentlemen eay to me "The fishermen are a class;'' I know that quite well, and I pointed out in my speech that that argument would be used, and it has been used by hon. gentlemen who professed to be great opponents of what they are pleased to call legislation for a class. The Prime Minister Sir Robert Borden), if I understand him aright, says to this House that the effect of adopting my amendment would be to put the House in the position of showing a callous indifference to the report of the committee or to delay prorogation. If that be the case, I certainly will not stand in the way, as I said in the earlier part of my speech, of all the good things, that may be done for returned soldiers and their dependents in accordance with the report of the committee. If we are to accept the statement that this report must go through in its present form or not at all, I am going to withdraw my amendment, but I would appeal to the Government and to the House to do something for the returned soldier in the direction I have indicated. I do not care about technical forms or what you do with them. Men say that you should not act in this manner because this, because that, or because the other thing, as regards the committee report. But what I want to achieve is results, and if the Government promises and if the House will do better things than my poor amendment will achieve, I am prepared to withdraw my amendment. All I want to do is to get the very most I can for the returned soldier, and I took this question of aid to the fishermen, which I knew so many members on both sides have stated they are in favour of, as the one thing that was most likely to pass in the House. I am prepared to accept what the right hon. gentleman who leads the House may give us and what I think we may get, and with the consent of the hon. member for Gloucester (Mr. Tur-geon), I will withdraw my amendment.


Onésiphore Turgeon: I will assent to that. Amendment withdrawn.
Mr. HUME CRONYN l(London):	Mr. Speaker, may I say just a word-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. gentleman has the right to reply, but if he speaks now the debate will be closed.


Hume Cronyn: I will not detain ihe
House more than one moment, and I am

not going to cover the ground already so fully covered; but I perceive for the iirst time a communication read by the hon. member for Cape Breton North and Victoria (Mr. McKenzie), and I think it is only due to this House and to the gentlemen concerned that I should make some explanation in regard to the matter. It is quite true that those gentlemen did communicate with the .committee and requested to be called and to present, as well, a statement of their contentions or recommendations. They were not called, and the reason why they were not called was that the committee found Parliament nearing prorogation and, therefore, was quite unable to hear a good deal of the evidence which was to have been tendered to it. The committee itself decided that those gentlemen should not be called. Complaint is made that I am discourteous in not replying to a letter which those gentlemen addressed to me. The facte are that those gentlemen, being in Ottawa for some other purpose, saw the clerk of the committee, and, as I am told, he had explained to them the reason why their evidence could not be heard. They did not see me, the chairman of the committee, nor the vice-chairman, nor, so far as I am aware, any other member of the committee. They sent a letter of protest, and I regret to say that that letter, which reached me, I think, only a few days ago, lay on my desk amongst at least one hundred other unanswered letters. I have not been able to give a moment of time to anything other than the preparation of this report and the laying of it before the House. I regret as much as any one could my failure to answer that letter. The circumstances prevented our hearing those gentlemen; we sat too long, as the hon. member says, and as I thoroughly agree; but we had before us, not only nearly 700 communications, but 500 pages of various suggestions, resolutions and reports from different bodies. We could have sat for another two months and still not have completed our work.
Motion to adopt the report of the committee agreed to.



BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

Robert Laird Borden: I beg to move:
That In view of the late period of the session, Private Bills sent by the Senate to this House for concurrence he read twice on the same day, and that Rule 103, relative to the posting of such Bills, be suspended for the remainder of the session.
He said: I am informed that unless this motion passes, a number of Bills in respect of which a great deal of work has been done in the Senate and a good deal of expense incurred as well, will have to be dropped.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I have no recollection of ever before hearing such a motion as that moved by the Prime Minister.


Robert Laird Borden: I have frequently seen motions of that character which suspend formal rules of the House at a late period of the session.


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Motion agreed to.
Mr. MICHAEL STEELE (Perth South):: I move:
That Bill No. 193 (from the Senate) for the relief of Nora Dowle, be placed on the Order Paper amongst Private Bills for second reading this day.


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Motion agreed to.


Robert Laird Borden: In view of what I said just now upon the amendment of the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck), I would ask the House, if it meets with their approval, to permit such of the resolutions on the Order Paper as are based upon the report of the Committee on Pensions and Reestablishment to be passed in order that the Bills may be introduced and read a first time. Of course, we shall have to go into committee on the resolutions; and I mean simply this, that, under the circumstances, as the report has been approved and as all these Bills are founded upon that report, and, moreover, as all these Bills are in the form recommended by the committee after careful consideration, we might for the purpose of advancing the proceedings a stage, take the resolutions pro forma, as there will still be most ample opportunity of discussing the subject either upon the second reading of the Bills or in committee of the whole House upon the Bills.


Mr. MACKENZIE KING:: I see no
objection to the course my right hon. friend has proposed. I agree that it will expedite the legislation, and it is obviously in the interests of the returned soldiers and the public that we should expedite it.



STATE INSURANCE FOR RETURNED SOLDIERS.

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On the motion of Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Borden (Prime Minister) (for Sir Henry Drayton) the House went into committee to consider the following proposed resolution, Mr. Boivin the Chair:
Resolved,-1. That it is expedient to bring in a measure to provide that the Minister of Finance or such other minister as the Governor in Council may determine may enter into an insurance contract with any returned soldier domiciled or resident in Canada or any widow of a soldier so domiciled or resident for the payment of five hundred dollars or any multiple thereof not exceeding five thousand dollars, one-fifth thereof payable on death of insured and the remainder at option of insured, and after his death at the option of the beneficiary as a life annuity or as an annuity certain for five, ten, fifteen or twenty years, or as an annuity guaranteed for five, ten, fifteen or twenty years and payable thereafter as long as the beneficiary may live.
2.	That the contract may provide that the payment of premiums may be waived if the insured becomes totally disabled, if such disability does not entitle him to a pension under the Pension Act, that he may receive an amount not exceeding one-twentieth of the sum insured but not to exceed twenty payments in all, and that if he dies before such payments are completed the balance assured may be paid as a death benefit.
3.	That the payment be made to the wife, husband, child, grandchild, parent, brother or sister of insured or person entitled under any regulation to be a beneficiary.
4.	That if insured is a married man or a widow with child or children the insurance shall be for their benefit, or some onto or more of them at insured's option: if a widow the insurance shall be for the benefit of such person or persons within the classes mentioned in resolution three as may be shown to the satisfaction of the minister to be to a substantial extent dependent on the widow; if an unmarried man or a widower without children the insurance shall be for his future wife or future wife and children.
5.	That where a beneficiary dies in the life time of the insured he may declare that the share of such person shall be for the benefit of his wife or child or one or more of them, and, in default of such declaration, the share shall be apportioned in equal shares if there is more than one beneficiary. If all beneficiaries so die the insured may declare that the money shall be for the benefit of his wife or his surviving children, if any, and if he makes no declaration the money shall be divided equally among his wife and surviving children, and, if there is no wife or children, the money, subject to the provisions mentioned in resolution three, shall become part of his estate.
6.	That if on the death of the insured a pension becomes payable under The Pension Act to any person or persons within the classes men- , tioned in resolution three there shall be deducted from the benefit payable the aggregate present value of the pension or pensions so payable computed on such basis as may be prescribed by regulation, and in such case there shall be returned to the beneficiary or beneficiaries in proportion to their respective interests under the contract the proportion of the premiums

paid (with interest at four per cent per annum, compounded annually), which the amount of the said deduction is of the total amount assured under the contract.
7.	That if the insured survives all the persons to whom the death benefit may be paid under the provisions of resolution three, or if all the said persons die before the payment of the instalments of the death benefit have been completed, the estate of the insured shall be entitled to receive only thie amount by which the reserve under the contract at the time of the death of the insured exceeds the sum of the payments so made. In this resolution the word " reserve " means the net premium value of the contract on the basis of the British Offices Life Tables, 1893, Om (5), with interest at the rate of four per cent per annum.
8.	That when no apportionment is made of the insurance money all persons interested t« beneficiaries shall share equally therein.
9.	That the contract may provide for payment of a single premium or premiums uniform throughout the lifetime of insured or during lifetime of insured for ten, fifteen, or twenty years, or until the age of sixty-five.
10.	That no medical examination shall be necessary unless the minister deems it necessary to enable him to decide whether or not he will refuse in any particular case to insure.
11.	That the insurance shall not be assignable or liable to claims of creditors.
12.	That the Governor in Council may make regulations respecting forms of contract, proof of age, etc., and for carrying out the purposes of the Act.
13.	That moneys received shall be paid into the Consolidated Revenue Fund, and moneys payable shall be paid out of such fund.
14.	That an annual statement shall be laid before Parliament.
15.	That no contract of insurance shall be entered into after July 1, 1922, and that the measure shall come into force on August 1, 1920.
Resolution reported.
Sir ROBERT BORDEN (for the Minister of Finance) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 195, to provide for the insurance of returned soldiers by the Dominion of Canada.
Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.

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On motion of Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Borden (Prime Minister) (for Hon. Mr. Rowell) the House went into committee to consider the following proposed resolution, Mr. Boivin in the Chair:
Resolved, That. it Is expedient to bring in a measure to repeal the proviso to section eight of chapter sixty-nine of the statutes of 1919, which provides that the amount of any pension, gratuity or allowance which any member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police receives or is entitled to receive or apply for, in respect of any injury received by him while serving in the military, naval or air forces aforesaid (that is to say, of His Majesty) shall he deducted from any pension, gratuity or allowance to which

such member -would be entitled under the said Act (that is, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1906, chapter ninety-one), other than a pension for years of service, irrespective Of any infirmity of mind or body or bodily injury ; and no widow or child of any such member who received, or is entitled to receive or apply for, any pension, annuity, gratuity or allowance in consequence of the death, incapacity or injury of any such member while serving in the forces aforesaid, shall be entitled to any pension, annuity or allowance under the said .Act.
William Lyon Mackenzie King: This has nothing to do with returned soldiers.


Robert Laird Borden: It is based on the committee's report.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: This resolution is based on the recommendations of the committee and follows their report literally?


Robert Laird Borden: Yes, and the Bill also, which was prepared by the committee.
Resolution reported.
Hon. Mr. ROWELL thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 196, to amend the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act.


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On the motion of Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Borden (Prime Minister) (for Hon. Mr. Guthrie) the House went into committee to consider the following proposed resolution, Mr. Boivin in the Chair:
Resolved, That It is expedient to bring in a measure to repeal subsection two of section twenty-five of the Militia Pension Act, which provides that if a widow or child is entitled to a pension, gratuity or allowance under the said Act and is also entitled to a pension gratuity or allowance under any other Act passed by the Parliament of Canada, or under any law of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, or under the law of any other portion of His Majesty's Dominions, such widow or, in the case of a child, the parent or guardian, or tutor of such child shall elect which pension, gratuity or allowance she or he desires to accept, but no widow or child shall receive two pensions, gratuities or allowances.
Robert Laird Borden: This is in the same category as the other resolutions.
Resolution reported.
Sir ROBERT BORDEN thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 197, to amend the Militia Pension Act.


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On the motion of Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Borden (Prime Minister) the House went into committee to consider the following proposed resolution, Mr. Boivin in the Chair:
Resolved, That it is expedient to amend the Pension Act, chapter 43 of the statutes of 1919 and to provide:-
1.	That the salaries of the two commissioners shall be increased from $5,000 to $6,000 per annum.
2.	That the commission shall award pensions to or in respect of members of the force who have suffered disability in accordance with schedule A hereto, and to or in respect of members of the force who have died in accordance with schedule B hereto.
3.	That the provisions of section 12 relating to cases of intemperance or improper conduct, shall not apply when the death of a member of the force has occured on service.
4.	That section 13, relating to the time within which application must be made for pension, be amended to provide that application may be made within three years after the date of the completion of his treatment by the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment when he was retired or discharged direct to such treatment or undertook such treatment within six months after his retirement or discharge.
5.	That section 14 be amended to provide that pensions shall be awarded according to rank or acting rank at the time of appearance of "the injury or disease" instead of "the disability," and that the same amendment do apply to cases of voluntary reversion.
6.	That section 17 relating to suspension of pension on imprisonment be amended to provide that payment may be re-considered upon the pensioner's release in accordance with the extent of his disability then shown to exist.
7.	That section 22 of the said Act relating to persons receiving several pensions be repealed.
8.	That subsection one of section 23 relating to pensions to children be amended to provide that no pension shall be paid to or in respect of a child who, if a boy, is over the age of sixteen years or, if a girl, is over the age of seventeen years, except when such child and those responsible for its maintenance are without resources and,-
(a)	such child is unable owing to physical or mental infirmity to provide for its own maintenance, in which case the pension may be paid while such child is incapacitated by physical or mental infirmity from earning a livelihood provided that no pension shall be awarded unless such infirmity occurred before the child attained the age of twenty-one years; and provided also that if such child is an orphan the commission shall" have discretion to increase such child's pension up to an amount not exceeding orphans' rates:
(b)	such child is following and is making satisfactory progress in a course of instruction approved by the commission, in which case the pension may be paid until such child has attained the age of twenty-one years.
No pension shall be paid to or in respect of a child after its marriage.
And, further, that in subsection two of this section, the term "appearance of the injury or
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disease" shall be substituted for the words occurrence or appearance of the disability."
9.	That subsection 3 of section 25, relating to pensions for disabilities, be amended to provide that no pension shall be paid for a disability or disabling condition which at such time was wilfully concealed, was obvious or was a congenital defect.
10.	That subsection 2 of section 26 be amended to provide that whenever a pensioner is required by the commission to be medically reexamined he shall be paid a reasonable amount for travelling expenses, subsistance and loss of wages. If any pensioner, after notice by registered mail, unreasonably refuses or neglects to present himself for medical re-examination, his pension shall be suspended and no pension shall be paid him in respect of the period during which such refusal or neglect continues.
11.	That the provision of subsection 1 of section 27 of an extra alloVance for total disability be amended to provide that the addition to the pension may be not less than $250, and not exceeding $750 per annum.
12.	That subsection 2 of section 27 be amended to provide that if such member of the forces holds the rank of Commander and Captain under three years seniority (Naval) or Lieutenant Colonel (Militia) he shall be entitled to an addition to his pension not exceeding ninety dollars per annum, if he holds the rank of Lieutenant Commander (Naval) or Major (Militia) to an addition to his pension not exceeding three hundred and ninety dollars per annum, and if he holds the rank of Lieutenant (Naval) or Captain (Militia) to an addition to his pension not exceeding six hundred and fifty dollars per annum.
13.	That the provisions of paragraph (b) of section 28, relating to the time from which pension shall be paid, be amended, to provide, that in the case in which a pension is awarded to an applicant the appearance of whose injury or disease which caused his disability was subsequent to his retirement or discharge the pension shall be paid from the day upon which the application for pension has been received.
14.	That section 30 be amended by adding thereto the provision that when a pensioner commences treatment under the jurisdiction of the Department of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment and his pension, including the pension, if any, for his dependents, is greater than the pay and allowances issued by that department, there shall be deducted from such pension towards the cost of maintenance in hospital an amount equal to the difference between such pension and such pay and allowances.
15.	That the provisions of subsection 3 of section 31, relating to the maintenance of parents, be repealed, and in lieu thereof it be enacted that when a member of the forces, previous to his enlistment or during his service, was maintaining or was substantially assisting in maintaining one or both of his parents, an amount not exceeding one hundred and eighty dollars per annum may be paid to him for each of such parents as long as he continues such maintenance.
16.	That section 32 be repealed, and in lieu thereof it be enacted that when a pensioner pensioned on account of a disability has died and his estate is not sufficient to pay the expenses of his last sickness and burial, the Commission may pay such expenses, or a portion thereof, but the payment in any such case shall not exceed one hundred dollars.

17.	That the provision of subsection 1 of section 33 be amended to provide that no pension shall be paid to the widow of a member of the forces unless she was married to him before the appearance of injury or disease which resulted in his death.
18.	That subsection 2 of section 34 be repealed and in lieu thereof it be enacted that in cases in which a member of the forces has died leaving a widow or a widow and children or orphan children entitled to pension in addition to a parent or person in the place of a parent who previous to his enlistment or during his service was wholly or to a substantial extent maintained by him, the Commission may, in its discretion, award a pension to each such parent or person not exceeding one hundred and eighty dollars per annum.
19.	That subsection 4 of section 34 be repealed, and in lieu thereof it be enacted that,-
(a)	In cases in which a member of the forces has died leaving more than one parent or person in the place of a parent who were wholly or to a substantial extent maintained by him, the pension for one such parent or person may be increased by an additional amount not exceeding one hundred and eighty dollars per annum and the total pension apportioned between such parents or between the parent and such other person.
(b)	The pension to any parent or person in the place of a parent shall be subject to review from time to time and shall be continued, increased, decreased or discontinued in accordance with the amount deemed necessary by the Commission to provide a maintenance for such parent or person, but in no case shall such pension exceed the amount of pension prescribed for parents in Schedule B of this Act.
(c)	When a parent or person in the place of a parent has unmarried sons residing with him or her who should, in the opinion of the Commission, be earning an amount sufficient to permit them to contribute to the support of such parent or person, each such unmarried son shall be deemed to be contributing not less than ten dollars a month towards such support.
(d)	The pension to a widowed mother shall not be reduced on account of her earnings from personal employment or on account of her having free lodgings or so long as she resides in Canada on account of her having an income from other sources which does not exceed two hundred and forty dollars per annum.
(e)	The pension to a parent or person in the place of a parent shall not be reduced on account of the payment to such parent or person of municipal insurance on the life of a deceased member of the forces.
20.	That section 38 be repealed, and in lieu thereof it be enacted that pensions awarded with respect to the death of a member of the forces shall be paid from the day following the day of the death except,-
"(a) in the case in which a pension is awarded to a parent who was not wholly or to a substantial extent maintained by the member of the forces at the time of his death, in which case the pension shall be paid from a day to be fixed in each case by the Commission; and
"(b) in the case of a posthumous child of a member of the forces, in which case the pension for such child shall be paid from the date of its birth."
21.	That section 46, relating to supplementary pensions for disability in respect of members

of the Allied Forces other than those of Canada, be amended to make this section applicable only to persons of the rank of Warrant Officer or of a higher rank.
22.	That section 47 he repealed and it be inact-ed in lieu thereof that when a person of the rank of Warrant Officer or of a higher rank in any of His Majesty's naval, military or air forces other than the naval, military or air forces of Canada, or when a person in the naval, military or air forces of one of His Majesty's Allies who was domiciled and resident in Canada at the beginning of the war has died during the war or thereafter as the result of a disability incurred during the war or demobilization and his widowed mother, widow or children have been awarded a smaller pension than they would have been entitled to under this Act in respect of his death, such widowed mother, widow or children shall be entitled, during the continuance of their residence in Canada, to such additional pension as will make the total of the two pensions received by them equal to the pension that would have been awarded if the person aforesaid had died in the military service of Canada."
23.	That the following provisions be added to the said Act:-
"47a. The pensions which are now being paid by Great Britain for disabilities or deaths which occurred during the South African war to or in respect of members of the Canadian Contingents which served in that war shall hereafter be supplemented during the continuance of the residence in Canada of the recipients of such pensions by such additional pensions as will make the total of the two pensions received by them equal to the pension that would have been awarded if they had been disabled or had died in the military service of Canada during the war.
"47b. The pensions which are now being paid to or in respect of members of those forces who served in the Fenian Raid or Northwest Rebellion, during the continuance of the residence in Canada of the recipients of such pensions, shall hereafter be increased to the rates set forth in Schedules A and B to this Act."
24.	That Schedules A and B of the said Act be repealed and the Schedules A and B to these Resolutions be substituted therefor.
25.	That all cases affected by the proposed Act shall be reviewed and future payments shall be made at the rates and in accordance with the provisions set forth herein. Provided that when death or disability has occurred previous to the coming into force of the proposed Act, the provisions of the Act shall not operate to remove from any applicant for pension any rights which he had in virtue of the Pension Act.
26.	That the Act to be based upon these Resolutions shall come into force on the first day of September, 1920.
Resolution reported.
Sir ROBERT BORDEN thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 198 to amend the Pension Act.	[DOT]*
Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.
At Six o'clock the House took recess. 2514
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The House resumed ait Eight o'clock.


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Bill No. 193 for the relief of Nora Dowle.- Mr. Douglas (Strathcona).


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On the motion for the House to go into Committee of Supply:
Sir HERBERT AMES (St. Antoine):: Mr. Speaker, nine months ago, at the desire of ithe Prime Minister, I went overseas to accept the position of Financial Director of the League of Nations Secretariat. At that time, I knew little of the work or of the conditions under which it was to be carried on. I had read the covenant; I believed in its ideals and as a Canadian was proud of Canada's prompt decision to enter the League, but my action was influenced by faith rather than by sight. I found but little evidence of life. The Treaty was as yet unsigned. The League of Nations was unborn. The prophets of evil on every hand gave little hope of future success. I had a certain amount of foreboding, I will admit, lest I should find myself reaching for a shadow and losing a reality.
But I am here to-night, Mr. Speaker, in an altogether different attitude of mind. The League of Nations is no longer a dream; it is a reality; it has being; it has form; it has organs; it functions. Many difficulties have been overcome; many dangers avoided. There are .still difficulties and dangers in the way but I am to-day convinced that ultimate success is reasonably sure, so convinced that I am ready to stake my future on this issue.
It is for this reason that I have returned to place before this sympathetic audience, this House in which I have served for 16 years, and in which I am glad to believe I have many true friends, an appreciation of the situation as I know it, and to record a solemn declaration that in my judgment, in entering the League of Nations, Canada has made no mistake. I would ask permission, Mr. Speaker, 'to submit proofs for this assertion and also to be allowed to urge still further co-operation, if that be possible.
May I preface my remarks with this statement, that, in my opinion, our inter-

national relationships should be free from partisanship. This is the spirit and the example of the League as it functions today. I trust that the spectacle of political division on international questions exhibited by a nation not far distant from us, may toe a sufficient object lesson to induce Canadians to resolve that, in so far as their international relationships are concerned, polities shall not be permitted to enter that domain. There are many internal issues upon which we can with more or less profit disagree, but in the front which we may present to the world, let there toe no evidence of disunion.	.
The Treaty of Peace came into force on January 10, 1920. On that date, the League of Nations was officially born. Although plenipotentiaries of all the assembled powers signed the Treaty of Versailles, formal ratification and adhesion was deemed to 'be necessary. During the past five months 24 of the 32 original signatories have duly ratified the Treaty. The matter is still in doubt in respect of China, Equador and the Hodjas, although it seems probable that China by accepting the Austrian Treaty, will become a member of the League of Nations. Only 5 out of the 45 possible original members have definitely abstained from entering the League. These are: The United States, Cuba, iHayti, Honduras, Nicaragua. It would not be too much to assume that the abstention of the United States was responsible for similar action by the 4 smaller powers.
During the two months which followed the coming into force of the Treaty of Peace, I am free to confess there was considerable anxiety as to whether the invited States would join the League. These States had not participated in the war. They were, for the most part, but little weakened by the period of world unrest. They included a number of the most advanced peoples, where representative government had reached its highest development. It is a significant fact, and one which has brought great encouragement to the well-wishers of the League that within the sixty days, every invited State, after debate and full consideration, decided to mter the League of.Nations. There were ividences in the letters of adhesion that not all of the invited States considered the Covenant as a perfect instrument, tout no member entered the League with reservations, preferring rather as a member of the [DOT]League to exert influence within that body for such amendments as might be deemed desirable.

Thus, the League of Nations already contains thirty-seven States. In addition, a number of new nations have applied for admission, and it seems probable that, at the next assembly, even some of the former -enemy States may be taken in.
Already 37 Powers, with a total population of 850,000,000 people, have joined this League and there is little doubt that before another year has passed, that number will have grown to 45 or even 50. Never in the history of the world, has so large a number of independent nations joined together for common ends.
The Covenant, familiar to you all and often discussed in the House, is the Charter of the League of Nations. It sets forth, not only the objects to be attained, but it also advocates the means whereby these ends are to be secured. In the five months which have elapsed .since the birth of the League, What progress has been made, what plans formulated, what machinery set in motion! To endeavour to answer these questions, is the purpose of such observations as I may toe able to offer to this House.
The organs of the League of Nations are three in number,-The Assembly, or general gathering of members; the Council or Executive Committee of the League and the Secretariat of permanent international Civil Service. Let us see what has been done towards the development of these organs and the utilization of them in fulfilling the purposes which the League is 'intended to serve.
It was the original intention -of the authors of the Peace Treaty that the first meeting of the Assembly should be held in Washington in November of 1919 and when I went over to take my place on the Secretariat nine months ago there "was every expectation that this plan would be carried out. The abstention, however, of the.United States made a Washington Assembly impossible, in fact, postponed the Assembly for a year, so that it will not take place until November, 1920, when it will be held at Brussels. Instead then of commencing its career by a meeting of the Assembly, the Council has first been brought into being as the authority of the League. This Council at present comprises eight members. Four represent the principal Allied Powers-Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan. There is a vacant chair at the table, which speaks volumes. Four other members of the Council represent the League at large; theoretically, the smaller states. At present, these seats are occupied

by representatives from Spain, Belgium, Greece and Brazil. When a special question, in which a state is interested, comes up for consideration, that state may have an ad hoc member. Thus, when measures for combating typhus were considered at the fourth meeting of the League, the Polish delegate sat at'the table and participated in the deliberations.
Within the past five months, there have been 6 meetings of the Council of the League of Nations: 3 held at London, 2 at Paris and 1 in Rome. The members have not been idle and the record of work done is, I think, worthy of our consideration. Without going over the agenda of each successive meeting, I will try to deal with the results of the six meetings.
The subjects dealt with are divisible into three classes which may be thus described:-First, those in fulfilment of special tasks laid upon the (League of Nations by the Treaty of Versailles and subsequent Treaties similar to it. Secondly, constructive measures having for their object the creation of permanent institutions designed to establish a basis for future international co-operation. Third, special duties of an emergent character, thrust upon the League in consequence of post war conditions. Of what has been done along these lines, I now propose to speak.
Specific Tasks.
In the drawing up of the Treaties of Peace and the re-arrangement of the map of Europe, there were certain geographical areas, certain ethnological units, left in suspense. Where possession of these areas was in dispute between former enemies, to have assigned them to the care of either of the disputants would have been to have left a continiung incentive for war. It was therefore decided that the care should be given to a third party and that third party is the League of Nations. Take for example, the case of the Saar Basin. It lies between France and Germany, with a population 'of 700,000 people engaged mainly in the production
of coal. France, whose coal areas	had
been devastated during the German occupation, demanded control of this supply, which was Jabsolutely necessary for her industrial rebuilding. But to have placed
700,000	Germans under the control of France would have been to have invited a war of revenge. On the other hand, to have left the coal area under the control of Germany, would have rendered the French supply of this necessity most precarious and to have threatened French industrial life with extinction. It was necessary, therefore, to operate the area with justice to both contending parties. The League of Nations Council at its first meeting set up a Commission to administer the Saar Basin, in accordance with the terms laid down in the Treaty. This Commission has for Canadians a peculiar interest in that one of the most active and successful members of the Commission is the well known ex-mayor of Winnipeg, Mr. R D. Waugh.
I might give the House many interesting facts regarding Mr. Waugh's successful administration. Within the fehort period since his appointment, he has not only demonstrated his fitness for this important post but has brought credit upon Canada and Canadians.
Another example of a specific task enjoined by the Treaty is the governance of the free city of Dantzic. Here again, a difficult problem faced the makers of peace. Access to the Baltic Sea is a necessity to Poland, in order to engage in foreign trade, but this access could only be secured by detaching a port, formerly German, and making it available for Polish commerce. To have given Dantzic to Poland, or to have left Dantzic in the control of Germany, would have precipitated another war. Dantzic has, therefore, been placed under the authority of the League of Nations. The Council has appointed Sir Reginald Tower, a British administrator who distinguished himself in South America as High Commissioner, with instructions to draw up a constitution, to hold popular elections, and in the capacity of administrator and arbiter to establish settled conditions of government, on terms that will be just to all. This he is doing under the guarantee of the League of Nations. The free city of Dantzic will make treaties with Germany and with Poland, and the League of Nations will see to it that fair play is given to all concerned.
Other treaties will doubtless create similar areas,1 the responsibility for which the League of Nations, as the only impartial body in the world, will be called upon to assume. These then are the specific tasks laid down in the Treaties, the most urgent of which have been already successfully accomplished.
Constructive Measures.
The League of Nations Council has taken a number of decisions, looking towards

the erection of permanent institutions designed to establish a basis for future international co-operation. Laying foundations is slow and laborious work but if the world is in fututre to avoid war, organizations must be created to remove the causes of possible friction. The League is not a superstate but an association of free nations. It is an instrument of cooperation. It does not impose its views upon unwilling members but it composes different views into a common agreement.
How is this done? An illustration may perhaps make it plain. As an undisputed axiom, we admit that "No nation lives to itself alone." Unhealthful conditions, for example, in one country, cannot fail to endanger all other countries. You cannot have cholera in Greece without danger of cholera in New York. It is the business of us all that each nation maintain healthful conditions. It is desirable, therefore, that effective health laws be as nearly universal as possible and that united action in emergencies be readily secured. This, therefore, is one of the subjects with which the League of Nations may legitimately deal, let me repeat not as a superstate but as a means of co-operation. Here is the "modus operandi " generally followed.
A small international expert committee is first created in liaison with the Secretariat of the League of Nations. This committee prepares a plan. A larger international conference of experts is next apppoint-ed to consider and probably amend this plan. It is then reported to and approved by the Council of the League. The next step is to draft a convention or model Act and distribute this among the members of the League, with a request that each State put through legislation as nearly as possible along the lines indicated. The Secretariat of the League watches legislation and reports thereon through the medium of its health section. The States which finally ratify this convention are bound by it and while you have no international parliament, yet after a score of nations have passed the same Act, the result is not different from what it would be had one parliament the power to impose a single Act upon all. Thus, there is no coercion, no imposing of views. Each nation has a consultive part in the making of the draft Act. No nation is bound to accept it even after it has been prepared, but it is hoped that an Act thus prepared will be so reasonable and so elastic that it can secure general support. Similar action on the part of many becomes united action on the part of all.



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Bearing in mind then that this is the usual modus operandi, what has the Council of the League accomplished by way of constructive measures during the past five months? First, it has taken the preliminary steps for the setting up of a permanent Court of International Justice. If the world in certain of its activities, is hereafter to be governed by a code of international agreement if treaties are to be observed, if conventions concurrently ratified are to be lived up to, there must be an accepted tribunal to interpret international law and to decide in cases of dispute. Almost the first step taken by the Council of the League of Nations was towards the establishment of the permanent Court of International Justice. It is no quick or easy task. Immense issues are involved. Every nation and member of the League is likely to be called upon to plead before that court. All are interested in its constitution and anxious that it operate with absolute justice. It is realized that if the court becomes what is hoped, for a state to decline to accept its rulings will be to place itself in opposition to the public opinion of the world.
While only the assembly can give to any plan final approval, the council is charged with the task of working out the scheme. This work is already in hand. Ten eminent jurists have been selected and have agreed to serve. Among them is Lord Philli-more of England and Mr. Boot of America. They are already in session at The Hague and are expected within two months to finish their report, which in due time through the council will reach the assembly. It is hoped that the beginning of 1921 will see the International High Court of Justice fully constituted and in operation.
International Financial Conference.
The present financial situation of Europe is exceedingly grave. Disaster to some of the war exhausted nations is certain unless by the help of others they can come through the next few years. At the second meeting of the Council of the League, this question was squarely faced. What no individual nation could do without being suspected of interested motives, the League of Nations in the name of all is able to undertake. It has called a conference to discuss the situation from the international point of view, to consider the remedies that may be applied and to make a report to council for action. The invitations went out in April. The twenty-five principal nations have been in-

vited to send their delegates. Mr. Ador, former President of the Swiss Republic has consented to act as president. The date of the meeting has been several times postponed and is even yet not definitely fixed. The reason is that the first step towards the final rehabilitation of Europe must be a definite understanding as to the extent of Germany's obligations under the reparation clauses of the Treaty.
The first item on agenda for the international convention conference is a report on reparations and war debts, then will follow an inventory of resources and a discussion on the conditions upon which loans may be made. It is hoped that the limited loanable resources of the world can be conserved and utilized for the assistance of such nations only as are willing to help themselves. When this conference is over, doubtless there will grow out of it a Permanent Economic Commission, which will hereafter advise the 'Council of the League of Nations on questions of this character and obviate the necessity, should future crises arise, of the assembling so large a convention as this is designed to be.
Permanent Transit Commission.
Another matter that has given rise to much discussion is that of transit. At first sight it might appear that this is eminently a European question. Iln its aggravated aspects it certainly seems so at present. It is a question not unfamiliar to Canadians for we share with the United States water transit privileges on our St. Lawrence river and the Great Lakes and our experience with the use of those facilities may render our advice of advantage to others.
Our condition, however, is simplicity in-deed compared with that of modern Europe. With the central empires broken up into a number of states, each more or less jealous of the other, each trying by conserving its own resources and by taxing foreigners to get back to a solvent basis, there is great danger that freedom of transport will be curtailed. Europe is traversed by transcontinental railways, but instead1 of, as with us, running from ocean to ocean within the boundaries of one jurisdiction, a traveller from Paris to Constantinople, or freight shipped from Rome to Berlin, would have to traverse the territories of several governments. This is even more true with respect to the rivers of Europe, which rise in the central mountains and seek the sea in four different directions. The Swiss who desire to bring freight from salt water must deal with three governments; Germans who
wish to send a cargo from the sources of the Rhine to the Black Sea must deal with five States. It is evident that each country1 traversed thinks only of itself and the difficulties affecting transport are innumerable. Discrimination leads to retaliation, retaliation to friction, and friction to war, and if European nations are to dwell at peace, some means must be devised to remove this contentious subject from political discussion. This then is one of the problems to which the Council of the League of Nations is addressing itself. It is endeavouring to set up a central authority, a court of review, whereby a fair exchange of facilities for the benefit of all may. displace discrimination and retaliation. A conference of the interested nations is to be held in 'Spain in December. Already steps are being taken to prepare for that conference, also a draft of an agreement is being drawn. The League is setting up a permanent Board of experts to advise Council on all transit matters. At the present moment we are in touch with a Canadian railway man whose services we may decide to secure as a member of the expert Commission. If irritation, as between nations over transport problems, can be removed and mutual co-operation facilitated, much will have been accomplished towards the establishment of permanent peace.
Armaments.
Now, as to the much-discussed question or armaments. If wars are to cease, competition in armaments must come to an end. One of the most important functions of the League is to bring this about. Human nature being as it is, nations that for generations have been armed to the teeth will not willingly divest themselves of their means of self-defence unless assured by some impartial authority that their neighbours will do likewise. The disarmament of Europe, beginning first with the Central Powers, must proceed gradually and proportionately, but the result, we believe, can be attained by perseverance.
Already the League Council has commenced work along this line. At our meeting in Rome there were present by request a number of military, naval and air experts from many lands. It was decided to appoint a permanent advisory committee composed of twenty-seven members whose duty it should be to assemble facts and prepare statements for future consideration. The general question of disarmament will not come up at the first assembly of the League, as the time is not sufficient for the
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matter to receive the previous study which it will require, but the Permanent Advisory Committee will soon be at work. Already several tasks have been assigned to it for immediate performance. It will be asked to consider the fixation of armaments that shall be allowed for each state seeking admission to the League. They begin with those who seek admission to the League by insisting that their armaments shall be reduced to the minimum. It has also been requested to work out a plan for registration and control over the exportation of arms to backward countries. Probably when the second meeting of the Assembly is held in 1921, the question of disarmament will be the principal subject that will be considered.
Mandates and Minorities.
On the conclusion of former wans, the unchallenged dictum has been that to the victor belong the spoils. The conquered provinces have been divided solely that they might be the better exploited for the benefit of the new masters under whose dominion they fell. But the Treaty of Versailles has ushered in a new principle. It is that strong nations should be asked to administer backward areas, detached from former combinations, as a trust for the benefit of the governed until such time as the new countries become capable of self government. It is to General Smuts that the credit for this idea is usually given. Among other instances it is to be worked out in the former German possessions in Africa.
The various peace treaties designate certain nations as mandatories of governed areas. Now a mandate is a written instrument emanating from the League of Nations and it lays down duties and obligations which the mandatory must accept. The League cannot itself accept a mandate. It is, however, the referee, the guarantor of their observance. Once a year each mandatory must make report to the League of Nations. The League is setting up a permanent section of experts that will examine these reports and transmit to the Council their views regarding the conduct of each mandatory. This organization is well under way but the sudden death of an eminent American, selected to be head of this section, has delayed progress. By the time, however, that the mandates are accepted the machinery for examining and reporting upon their operations will be ready.
I need not describe what is being done to create a Permanent International Health Commission, for this has already been dealt with. Similar measures are being taken in respect to white slave traffic, the opium

traffic and other evils mentioned in the Covenant.
Registration of Treaties.
In so far as the League of Nations can make it so, the era of secret diplomacy has passed. Treaties made between kings or between governments without the knowledge of the governed, have been in the past fruitful causes of war. The League stands for open diplomacy. Every Treaty henceforth made by any member of the League must be registered with the League. If unregistered, the Treaty is not binding. When presented for registration, the Treaty is subject to examination by the experts of the League. If found to contain provisions contrary to the spirit or letter of the Covenant, the Treaty must be revised. If the nation refuses to revise its Treaty, it is expelled from the League by that very act.
The Council of the League of Nations has already sanctioned the steps necessary for the setting up oif a department for the registration of Treaties. If I am rightly informed, the head of that department will be a Uruguayan.
As a record, then, of accomplishment in the brief period that has elapsed since the coming into force of the Treaty, let me enumerate the constructive agencies that have been brought into being:
1.	International Health Organization.
.	2. Permanent Court of International
Justice.
3.	International Financial Conference and Commission.
4.	Permanent Transit Commission.
5.	Advisory Committee on Military, Naval, and Air Questions.
6.	The Mandatory and Minority Section.
7.	A Department for the Registration of Treaties.
This certainly is not an unsatisfactory record.
While it is not really a part of the League of Nations, the International Labour Office, which was constituted when the Treaty of Versailles came into being, and in the drafting of the provisions concerning which our own Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) had no inconsiderable part, was really the first to get upon its ifeet and to get off to a good start. It is well established and is, I understand, taking up its permanent home this month in Geneva, where it has acquired a property and from which it will be able to function, greatly, I think, for the benefit of the world. There has been some criticism with regard to the advis-

ability of establishing an International Labour Office, but I think we must admit that the improvement of the conditions under which workingmen carry on their life work is a laudable and praiseworthy object. Hitherto one of the greatest obstacles in attaining that end has been the fact that while the more advanced countries have been willing to adopt the progressive legislation, the more backward countries would not do so; therefore the more progressive a nation was the more it was submitted to the competition of nations that would not observe such laws. When, therefore, it is possible to unite the peoples of the world in a common agreement bringing the backward nations up to the level of the more progressive, we are able to feel that, the labouring people of any country will be well treated without thereby submitting that country to ruinous competition from other parts of the world.
Emergent Measures.
I want to speak a few of the emergent measures for which the League has been responsible, because1, although I think it will be admitted that the list I have given is already formidable, it does not by any means cover all that t-he League has accomplished in the five years that have passed since it came int-o official being. Already emergencies have arisen calling for co-operation, in order that by united effort disaster may be warded off and suffering .alleviated. Of such a nature is the proposed action to meet the typhus epidemic now spreading in Central Europe. With the Western-hound bands of wretched prisoners, ragged, emaciated, and covered with vermin, released from detention camps in Siberia and Russia, there is being introduced into Central Europe, typhus, cholera, and bubonic plague. The newly-formed nations in financial straits suffering from lack of supplies and medicine can make no adequate stand against this invasion. If Central Europe is to be saved from an awful calamity, from the decimation of its population, the paralyzing of its trade and the necessary quarantining of large masses of people, the progress of this epidemic must be stopped soon. Poland, Roumania, Youga-Slavia and other newly-born nations are unable, individually, to wiith-stand the flood. United action is called for. At the March meeting of the League of Nations, delegates from Poland brought to the attention of the Council these terrible facts. Shortly afterwards there was to meet in London, a convention of health experts. The Council of the
League specially requested these experts to examine the Polish situation and to listen to what the Polish delegates had to say. [DOT] This, the Convention did, and reported to the Council on the imminense of the danger, and the measures necessary to check the plague. Now, the League of Nations, as at present constituted, has not the power to raise money by assessment in excess of the regular expenses of the Secretariat. It was estimated that to fight the typhus plague, from two to three million pounds sterling would be required. The Council authorized the setting up of a skeleton organization and named Colonel Kenyon Vaughan Morgan, Chief Commissioner and Doctor Norman White, Medical Commissioner, the former to supervise the purchase and shipment of necessary supplies, and the latter to organize the medical, nursing and quarantine staff, in order that it might be possible to draw a sanitary cordon across eastern Europe from the Baltic to the Black Sea, and fight the typhus plague along the line. The nations belonging to the League will be asked in the name of humanity to subscribe the funds necessary to protect Central Europe and the world from this great danger. It is hoped that Canada's response will be generous. Surely no task assumed by the League is more important than the organization of an inter-national -sanitary corps preparing to combat contagious diseases where they arise and thus protect the world from the plagues that have ravaged it in previous centuries.
Another emergency question that has exercised the Council of the League was in respect to war prisoners left stranded in far distant Siberia. It is estimated that originally there were no less than 250,000 of these unfortunates left in prison camps several thousand miles distant from the lands in which they	had enlisted. England -and the United States by joint effort are bringing back about 72,000 of	these	men,	mostly Czecho-Slavs.
and Roumanians, allies, as hon. members will see; but the great mass of these unfortunate prisoners are in Western Siberia; they are Austrians, Hungarians, Germans, Poles, Jugo-Slavs, and others. I need only to mention those names to show the House at a glance how impossible it would be to have united action on the part of those peoples. The nations to which they belong cannot, unaided, raise the money to bring them home. Only a united effort, backed by the guarantee of solvent states, will enable those nations to raise loans bv
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which their unfortunate nationals can be returned. Here is where the League of Nations comes in. The council selected Dr. Fridtjof Nansen, the well known Norwegian explorer, whose reputation as an organizer stands high in Europe, and whose knowledge of Siberian conditions is surpassed by none, to take up this work backed by the League. He is at present passing from point to point in Europe, securing from all available sources a knowledge of the facts. He is consulting with all remedial agencies at present engaged in this cause. On the completion of his report, which should be laid before the next meeting of the Council, it is expected that an arrangement can he made to guarantee funds whereby transportation and necessities can be provided to bring to their homes those who have survived the awful ordeal of the last three years. Here again we have an example of united effort being able to do what individual effort could not accomplish. The nations interested could not unaided bring back their own men. They could not disentangle them if they were able to bring them back. But the united effort of the
I.eague, which will guarantee to the nations concerned all the necessary funds, which in time v. ill probably be paid back by the nations interested, will, by joint action, bring back these unfortunate men.
The condition of Russia is a constant menace to peace. It is most difficult to secure reliable information as to the present Government and its operations. Reports aie most conflicting. They lead to doubt and disagreement in regard to policies on the part of the various nations that receive them. It has been felt to be absolutely necessary that an impartial enquete be held and that the true facts regarding Russia be laid before the Council of the League To this end, preparations have been made to send an international commission of inquiry to visit Russia. Permission is asked from the Soviet Government for freedom to go and return for the right to move freely and make untrammelled inquiry, and for the guarantee for immunity for the witnesses that might be examined. As yet. however, no satisfactory reply has been received. The commission has been chosen and is ready to proceed. The responsibility for refusing to admit it will fall upon the Soviets. If they are unprepared to submit to impartial investigation, it must be that their operations will not stand the light of inquiry. If, however, the investigation

takes place, out of it may come united action on the part of the nations and the pacification of Russia may follow.
The League Council has at several of its meetings given careful consideration to the Armenian question. That sympathy for these unfortunate people is universal, no one denies. The League, however, cannot, [DOT]itself, accept a mandate, as it has neither funds nor army to enforce its decisions. A mandate was offered to America. It is deeply to be regretted that this offer was not accepted. In the end, it seems not improbable that upon the League will fall the task of finding a mandatory for Armenia and securing international guarantees that wall render the responsibilities not too great for a single State to assume.
Since I left London, the Council has held a special meeting to deal with a request of Persia for assistance to resist a Russian invasion. Persia is a member of the League. She is entitled to and will receive the necessary support. These are the questions that hav occupied the attention of the Council at the six meetings that have been held during the past five months. The first budget of expenditure has been ratified and approved. The selections made by the secretary general in connection with the Secretariat have been agreed to, subject to the ultimate approval of the Assembly. Rules of procedure under which the Council shall carry on its business have been drawn up and are in force. Thus it will be seen that foundations wide and deep have been truly laid for the erection of an organization for the maintenance 'of world-wide peace. One has only to read the history of the previous Leagues to see that they failed mainly because no provision was made for a permanent working organization. This lesson has been truly learned. The League will not undertake tasks that it cannot perform. It is building up an organization, however, that will be capable of assuming heavy responsibilities.
As financial director, it has been my duty to be present at several meetings of the Council, both in public and private sessions. Perhaps it may interest the House to have some idea of the impression that the work of these meetings has made upon me. I am convinced that these men who attend as representatives of their countries the meetings of the Council of the League, men of reputation and experience and of exalted standing in their several countries, are sincere. I do not think that they would waste their time in making

long journeys and attending sessions sometimes lasting a week or ten days, if they did not feel that their work was worth while, and that there would be some ultimate results attained. The Governments which send them also seriously regard tr.e Council of the League of Nations. Whenever a meeting is held in a national capital it is staged under the most dignified conditions, and every courtesy and facility is afforded for carrying on its deliberations The meetings are necessarily both public and private. At the public meetings the resolutions are presented and passed. No vote is ever taken except at public meetings. The "rapporteur" who presents the resolution supports it by a carefully prepared statement, and this is given to the press for circulation. The private meetings are more informal. At them there is a frank expression of views, a clear appreciation of conditions. Article 5 of the Covenant requires that a unanimous decision shall be arrived at by the Council on all questions, save where in the Covenant a majority is specifically stated to be sufficient. I have been greatly struck by the fact that although six meetings have been held and 51 score of important questions dealt with, every decision has been unanimous. An agreement is not always arrived at when the question is first presented. Divergent views frequently develop. They are received and weighed with the utmost consideration. Every effort is made to arrive at a decision that all can accept. I have seen the same resolution come up at meeting after meeting and be repeatedly modified until finally acceptable to all.
"The will to agree" is the spirit of the Council of the League. Had the United States been a member of this Council she would have found that no decision has been arrived at since the League came into being that her representative would not have concurred in.
On my return I expect to attend the seventh meeting of the Council, which will be held at St. Sebastiano, in Spain, towards the end of July. The principle business at that meeting will be the drawing up of the agenda for the consideration of the first Assembly.
The first Assembly of the League of Nations is to be held in Brussels in November, 1920. It will be the most important gathering in the history of modern times. At least 36 States will be represented. With the admissions that will probably be agreed to, this number will be brought up to 40 or
more. The position attained by Canada in the League of Nations marks a long step forward in our constitutional development. In the Assembly Canada is on equality with the other States. She is eligible for a seat on the Council, although, in view of the fact that the representative of the British Empire will always have a seat in. that body, it is not likely that Canada's claim would be pressed. She has the right, however, of voting for the election of one half of the Council. Her voice will help to determine the composition of one half its membership. Further, Canada has the right of direct access to the Council on any question specially affecting our interests. Our representatives may state their case at the fountain head. Still further, we have the right of ad hoc participation and voting in the Council. Any question intimately affecting Canadian interests will not be dealt with by the Council unless the Canadian representatives are seated at the Council Board, In view, then,''of Canada's position as a full member of the League of Nations it is important that her deputation at the Assembly should include her foremost statesmen. I understand that the Prime Minister in this House some time ago gave the assurance that when the Constitutional Conference was held, perhaps a year from now, the several parties in this House would be invited to participate^ May I respectfully submit that the conditions which concern participation in the Assembly of the League of Nations do not materially differ from those to which he referred, and that if his proposal is good in the first instance, it may be equaly sound in the second. Furthermore, it is extremely important that before the Assembly meet®,, the representatives of the various parts of the British Empire should hold converse together and mutually study the question which will come up.
We can already foresee some of the subjects that the Assembly will have to consider. They will deal with the admission of new States. A number of the smaller friendly nations have already asked to be admitted. It is possible that some of the former enemy States may be considered ready to be associated with the League in its work. The coming Assembly will elect half the Council for the coming year. It will probably also consider some suggested amendments to the covenant, for it is admitted that this is not a perfect instrument and as time goes on and new conditions arise it may, by the consent of all, be
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altered to meet the change. One question of special interest to us will be decided and that is the place of meeting for the second great Assembly.
The covenant provided that the first meeting of the Assembly should be held in Washington. For reasons well know this could not be brought about. The first meeting will be held in Europe, but why should not the second meeting be held on the North American continent, and if held in the Western hemisphere what better place than Ottawa to give it welcome? This magnificent new building with its beautiful Parliamentary chamber would be a fitting place for the deliberations of the associated statesemen of the world. Within these ample walls we could accommodate in the numerous rooms all the delegates that could visit us. We could give them an English-French Hansard, English-French attendants, a Freneh-English press, and could place at their disposal facilities unequalled in any part of the worWf. If it is the desire of this Parliament, as representing the people of Canada,, that an invitation should be extended to the League of Nations to visit Ottawa, might I suggest that the deputation that represents Canada next November should be the bearer of this message.
I have not the time to speak at length regarding the Secretariat of the League of Nations. It is an international Civil Service drawn from public and private sources throughout the whole world. It is the hands, the eyes, and feet of the League of Nations. Its duty is to collect, to digest, to distribute, to prepare information of every kind to carry into effect decisions of the Assembly in Council. My own position is that of Financial Director. My duties include the preparation of the burget, its presentation to the Council, its explanation to the various contributory Governments, the allocating of the contributions, and all matters which relate to internal financial administration. I am prepared to give to this House all details they may desire upon these matters, for Canada is a full and willing participant in the work of the League, and the message I would bring to this Parliament is that her action is appreciated and that no request for information from the people of Canada will be treated with disrespect.
In closing, may I point out to this House the greatness of Canada's opportunity. Her position is unique. The abstention of the United States, needles to say, was a great disappointment to the framers of the League, but it has turned their eyes to Canada and 
the other overseas Dominions in greater measure than could otherwise have been the case. Not with hampering reservations, indicative of distrust striking at the very root of the spirit of mutual confidence in which alone can a League of Nations successfully operate did Canada enter the League. She accepted the pact in its fullness, believing that the interpretation of the obligations, involved would be reasonable, willing to trust and be trusted. True Canada has little by way of material gain to be secured from her participation in the League. We did not enter the war for plunder or aggrandizement. We did not enter the League of Nations for what we could get out of it. For years to come Canada's r61e will be that of helper. We joined the League for what we could give, not for what we could get. What future demands then may we expect made upon us? We shall be asked annually to pay our share of the operating expenses of Secretariat. For this we should ask no praise. It is but the redemption of a promise we have made. Further we may be asked more than once to write Canada on Europe's subscrpition list.
As individuals, we help the sick, the orphaned, the poor in generous measures. There are sick nations in the world to-day, orphaned peoples, and starving States. The Canadian people may be asked to show collectively the same generous characteristics that Canadians as individuals have always evidenced. Again we shall be asked to give counsel in the Assembly of Nations, in the conferences, in the committees, and we should send of our wisest and best so that Canadian statescraft will be respected and Canadian statesmen esteemed. We shall be asked for administrators, men who in our free open land have developed qualities of action and of heart that will make them fit to assume difficult tasks of world reconstruction. Already we have given several men of this character and more will be called for.
To Canada there will be no immediate return for these services. For the time being we must be content with the approval of conscience and with the esteem of the world. The day will come when those who in their hour of distress have looked to Canada for help and have not looked in vain, will pour back into our bosoms a hundredfold of that we are now giving them. Canada made no mistake in entering the League of Nations.
While I thank- you, Mr. Speaker, and members of this House, of 'doing me the

honour of listening so courteously to what I have said, I am free to say that I believe the League of Nations has come to stay and that we shall have our reward if we trust to it. If members of this House are desirous of asking further questions, suggested by anything I may have said or anything that may have suggested itself to them may I assure them, as I have already done during the course, of my speech, that it will only be a pleasure, in so far as I am able, to meet their inquiries.	.
Henri Sévérin Béland: Mr. Speaker, 1
only avail myself of the opportunity so kindly afforded to members of this House to put any questions that they may wish to ask. The hon. member (Sir Herbert Ames) has referred in his statement to three treaties betwen two of the great nations belonging to the League. Are all three treaties, regardless of their nature, commercial, or are any of them purely political?


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: It might be to the advantage of hon. members if the House should resolve itself into committee which would give a more ample opportunity for the hon. member for St. Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) to reply. I merely make the suggestion in case there may be a series of questions asked.


Henri Sévérin Béland: I have only two or three questions which I think will require .short answers.


Hon. Mr. ROWELL (President of the Privy Council):: If no hon. member wishes to speak generally on the League I think the Speaker's suggestion is a good one that vre should go into committee. We are going into Committee on External Affairs and then any question any hon. member desires to ask can be asked. I do not know whether any hon. member wishes to address the House before we go into committee.


Henri Sévérin Béland: Will the hon. memb-ber for St. Antoine be prepared to answer any questions when we are in committee?


Herbert Brown Ames: Yes, in so far as I am able.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Before the House goes into committee I would like to avail myself of the opportunity of expressing our thanks to the hon. member for St. Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) for the very interesting, illuminating and comprehensive address to which we have just listened. It has indeed been inspiring to hear from the lips of one who has been in the midst of
affairs in Europe the strong conviction which my hon. friend has voiced that the League of Nations is undoubtedly going to be the success which its promoters had hoped it might be. This word, coming at this time in the world's affairs, is extremely encouraging as we look forward into the future. Certainly, the hon. gentleman has given us this evening a striking contrast between two entirely different attitudes of mind in dealing with the great problems with which the world is confronted. He has spoken of the League as being guided by reason and a spirit of co-operation as contrasted with that other attitude which relies upon force in the management of the relations betwen men and between nations. He has emphasized the fact that through cooperation, rather than coercion, progress will be made in the affairs of the world. I believe that all the members of this House share the hope, and certainly most of us the belief, that it is to cooperation and enlightenment we must look for advance rather than to a perpetuation of the old system-let us call it the mediaeval system -of reliance upon Force in the affairs of nations and of men. He ihas pointed out that already in the very brief space of five months a constructive programme has been entered upon-a programme that from an international point of view deals with such vital questions as health, justice, labour, finance, transportation, and other of those vast interests which the different nations have in common. Certainly if this programme is to be worked out, it will only be through an attitude of good will among nations toward each other; and anything that this Parliament, or the members of it, can do' to promote an expression of good will is certainly likely to be for the good of all of us.	[DOT]
I shall not say more than a word at the moment of the suggestion which the hon. member has made that Canada should invite the League of Nations to hold its next annual gathering in this country. There is perhaps something to be said for a certain perspective that it is wise to maintain in these international -affairs; if there is a note of criticism I would offer at this moment, it would be that the remarks of my hon. friend suggest just a slight danger of our taking ourselves a bit too seriously in this new family of nations and that some of the older nations-nations that have played a part in the affairs of the world much longer than we have been privileged to do- may feel that the extending of any such invitation should be made by them in the

first instance. I say that just because I think it is well, as a young country, that -notwithstanding the noble exploits of our men in the war, and the place we hold in the world in many directions-we should maintain if possible that calmer outlook of endeavouring to see ourselves as others see us, as well as endeavouring to display the hospitality and cordiality which the people of this country are noted for.
I should add Mr. Speaker:	that
no one could have listened to the address of my hon. friend this evening without being impressed with the changed relations which have come about since the war, and which afford to every country a wider horizon and a larger outlook in regard to matters which are of common concern to mankind. It is, I think, a hopeful sign to find the interest in world affairs which has been exhibited in this Parliament to-night. Canada has much to gain and nothing to lose, in having a wider vision, in feeling herself a part of the great family of nations, and in sharing a knowledge and responsibility in regard to all questions that are of common human concern. The hon. member has well illustrated wherein today we are recognizing the dawn of a new era. He has given us glimpses of this larger horizon; and if I might make any suggestion to him it would be that in the few days he will be with us before his return 'he seek to impress upon fellow members on his side of the House, just as strongly as he can, the belief he has expressed so emphatically this evening, namely, that the League of Nations is a factor to be reckoned with, a factor to be counted upon, and that in regard to military and naval expenditures at this particular time we may do well, perhaps, to follow the advice which the Supreme Council has given of endeavouring as far as possible to give our first thought to productive activities, and to limit as much as possible for the time being, unnecessary extravagances and expenditure.
Hon. NEWTON W. ROWELL (President of the Privy Council): Before you leave the Chair, Mr. Speaker, I desire-on behalf of my colleagues and hon. members on this side of the House, just as the leader of the Opposition has already done for his side-to express our appreciation of the very clear, comprehensive and intensely interesting statement that the hon. member (Sir Herbert Ames) has just made to us. While we have on a number of occasions in this House discussed the plans and the work of the League of Nations, this

evening we have had the opportunity of seeing the League at work. The hon. member has presented to us such a vivid picture of the actual work being carried on, that I am sure every hon. member of the House will go away with a much clearer realization of the important and vital place which the League of Nations holds in the world's life, and of the great possibilities which lie in the League for the promotion of human welfare throughout the world. When some months ago I learned from the hon. member that it might be possible for him to return to Canada before the House rose, it was arranged by correspondence with him that he should have the opportunity, or rather that the House should have the privilege, of hearing him make a statement on this matter; and I am sure that not only is the House indebted to him, but the people of the country also," for I doubt if in any assembly there has yet been made as clear and comprehensive a statement of the work of the League as that with which we have been favoured this evening. The hon. member has made some very interesting suggestions touching matters of policy. I have no doubt those will receive the serious consideration of the Government that such suggestions deserve.
The leader of the Opposition has been good enough to suggest that the hon. member should endeavour to inculcate in the minds of the members on this side an appreciation of the value of the League of Nations. Hardly a year has passed since this question was first discussed in the House and hon. gentlemen opposite then made light of the whole business. I am glad that in the course of the year they at least have been converted to the importance of the League of Nations; and the appreciation which hon. members on this side have always entertained of that League, and of the place of Canada in it, will I am sure be greatly enhanced by the most illuminating address to which we have listened this evening.


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Motion agreed to, and the House went into committee, Mr. Boivin in the Chair.
Newton Wesley Rowell: For the purpose of giving hon. members the opportunity of asking questions-as the hon. member for Beauce (Mr. Boland) intimated his desire to do- I would ask the Chairman to call Item 27, Civil Government, External Affairs.
Department of External Affairs-salaries, $55,705 ; contingencies, $56,000.


Henri Sévérin Béland: Article 18 of the League of Nations provides:
Tout traits ou engagement international con-clu a l'avenir par un membre de la sociStS de-vra etre immSdiatement enregistrS par le Secretariat et publiS par lui aussitOt qu possible. Aucun de ees traitSs ou engagements interna-tionaux ne sera obligatoire avant d'avoir StS enregistrS.
Do commercial treaties as well as purely political treaties come under this article?


Herbert Brown Ames: I am afraid that in this instance I can only quote what the hon. member has already quoted. As we understand it, every treaty entered into after the signing of the pact by any member of the League with a non-member, or by members of the League with each other, must be registered with a department that is part of the Secretariat of the League. That department examines the Treaty, and if it contains anything contrary to the spirit or the letter of the Covenant, the treaty is not accepted and the nation is asked to revise it. It is hoped and expected that in that way open diplomacy will be encouraged, and that no engagement will be made that might involve nations in war in support of one another. The department has only just been set up. As I understand it, every nation is bound to register its treaty, and any nation that refused would by that very act render itself no longer a member of the League.


Henri Sévérin Béland: Of understand, then, that all treaties are to be subject to the approval of the Assembly of the Council of the League?


Herbert Brown Ames: All treaties.
Mr. iBELAND: The hon. member referred to the public and private sittings of the Council during the last five months. I did not quite understand in what particulars the two kinds of sittings differed. Will the hon. gentleman give us some information regarding the difference?


Herbert Brown Ames: The sessions of
the Council of the League of Nations usually take place about a month apart. From four to eight days are devoted to a session. Generally they sit perhaps one or two days in secret session, and then they hold a public session. The votes are always taken at a public session. At this session the rapporteur presents the resolution that has been agreed upon and makes a statement in support of it. Usually the public sessions are social functions, there being generally present several ambassadors and a certain
number of the public-in fact, any one who desires to be present can attend so far as the limited space will allow. Generally fifty or sixty newspaper men are present to report all the details that are given. The private meetings are of a more or less informal character, and they are considered to be absolutely necessary in order that there may be the utmost freedom of discussion among the representatives. I have been able to attend several private meetings when I presented my budget, or where there has been discussion on some matter that required financing, and I have been struck, as I said in my speech, with the determination to always artive at a unanimous agreement. I have seen a question brought up that developed a very considerable difference of opinion, I have seen it discussed for an hour and then withdrawn, the Chairman saying, "Gentlemen, you have had an opportunity of hearing all the different points of view. We will take this question up again the day after tomorrow." When the question came up again it would be considerably amended, and in its amended form it would show evidence of an attempt to meet the different points of view. Perhaps that question would come up at three or four successive meetings until finally it was presented in such shape that it would be passed unanimously, and then action wcjuld follow.


Mr. MORPHY:: Is there a time limit
within which treaties secretly made must be registered?


Herbert Brown Ames: As I understand it, no treaty is valid until it is registered; that is, no nation which is a member of the League is bound to observe the treaty.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: If a nation on failure to register a treaty is thereby ipso facto outside the League, it seems to me that that is an easy way to dissolve the League.


Herbert Brown Ames: The nation that has refused to do what it contracted to do would be expected to withdraw from the League.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: If secret treaties were
entered into by powerful nations, and those nations refused to register the treaties, on discovery of their failure to so register the League is dissolved.


Newton Wesley Rowell: That would not dissolve
the League of Nations.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: If the Great Powers went out of the League where would you get the force to keep it alive.


Newton Wesley Rowell: The nation that violated the provisions of the Covenant would be expelled from the League, but it does not cease to be a member by simply failing to comply with the terms of the League.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: After expulsion?


Newton Wesley Rowell: The League would have to take action to expel any offending members.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: And after expulsion they are no longer members?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Yes.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Therefore if the Great
Nations withdrew the League would be dissolved?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Yes.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: That is the point.


Henri Sévérin Béland: My hon. friend referred
to the unanimity which always prevailed at the meetings which he attended, and which is bound to prevail in all the decisions reached by the Council of Nine. I also understood him to say that if the representative of Canada were invited to sit at the Council of Nine, not as one of the Nine, he would have the right to express an opinion and to register a vote on a decision. Some doubt has been expressed in this House o.n more than one occasion whether the member of the Assembly of the League of Nations who is invited to sit in the Council of Nine has the right to vote when a question affecting his country is under consideration.


Herbert Brown Ames: As I understand it, if it was a question in which Canada was vitally interested, and Canada was invited to have her representatives sit at the table for the discussion of the question, Canada's vote cast against the decision would prevent its ratification. A short time ago we had a discussion relating to Poland. The Polish delegates were invited to sit at the Council table. As I understand it, if a decision had been arrived at to which the Polish delegates objected, that decision would not have been persisted in.


Henri Sévérin Béland: We will take it for granted that what the hon. member states is correct. His opinion is of weight in the 'matter, though no clause in the covenant justifies the categorical expression of that opinion. The hon. member has referred also the action taken with regard to the Saar Basin. He did not, however, find it opportune this evening to tell the House what particular

arrangement had been made with regard to the Saar Basin.


Herbert Brown Ames: I am not sure
that I understand the hon. member's question. If he wants to know what position the Canadian member of the Council occupies and what work he has been especially identified with


Henri Sévérin Béland: Not at all; I know that very well. WThat decision has been reached regarding the future of the Saar Basin and the population in that district?


Herbert Brown Ames: No decision on that matter has as yet been arrived at. The understanding is that for fifteen years the Saar Basin will be governed by the League of Nations, presumably through the Commission which is at present operating. At the end of the fifteen years a decision will be reached whether the Saar Basin will become part of Germany, part of France, or an independent state.


Henri Sévérin Béland: That ie the political side of it, but what about the economic side,- the coal mines, for instance, to which the hon. member has referred?


Herbert Brown Ames: That is all set forth in the Treaty. I can give the hon. member, if he desires to study it, a copy of all the special regulations that relate to the Saar Basin as extracted from the Treaty and as interpreted by the various regulations, and reports that the Commission has made during the past three months. It is all laid down in the Treaty; it is quite voluminous.


Henri Sévérin Béland: But can the hon. gentleman tell the committee in a few words whether these mines are going to be exploited for the profit of France exclusively, or for the profit of Germany? I believe that France has retained the power to exploit those mines.


Herbert Brown Ames: ll think I can only tell the hon. member that that is all set forth in the Treaty. A commission of five members to administer the Saar Basin was appointed at the first and second meetings of the Council of the League of Nations. For the time being they have very wide powers in the Saar Basin. They administer practically all the affairs of that district; the civil service, railways, telephones and telegraphs are all under their control. It is their duty to see that the stipulations in the Treaty with respect to the coal and the proportion of it which will reach France

shall be strictly adhered to. Under their guidance I think they are adhered to.


Mr. BURNHAM:: Will the hon. member explain how the League of Nations proposes to enforce its decisions?


Herbert Brown Ames: Will my hon. friend be a little more specific? Give me a specific instance.


John Hampden Burnham: The League of Nations arrives at certain decisions. Horw does it propose to enforce those decisions?


Herbert Brown Ames: Possibly the hon. member has in mind a subject that was dealt with at the sixth meeting otf the League of Nations, namely, help to Persia. Persia has been invaded by the Russians. Persia has apealed to the League of Nations. The League of Nations found that Persia was negotiating (with the Bolsheviks at the time for terms of peace. While awaiting the reply from Moscow it was impossible for the League to take on definite responsibility, but at its meeting the Council notified Persia that if the attack was persisted in the League would stand behind Persia. Now, as to the method by which it is done let me give an illustration. In New York city you have a fire brigade and you have a municipal service that taxes the people and pays for that fire brigade. But there are fire stations scattered all over New York city from the Battery to the Bronx. If a fire should break out at the Battery they would not send the engines from the Bronx to put it out; they would send the engines that were nearest to where the fire originated. But the expense would fall upon the whole of the citizens of New York city because the expense of the fire brigade is paid by the citizens as a whole. If it becomes necessary in the defence of members of the League of Nations that various sister nations come to the rescue of a nation which is unjustly attacked, naturally the forces used will be the forces nearest the spot; but when it becomes necessary to determine how much the expedition cost the expense will be levied proportionately on all members of the League.


Mr. GRIESBACH:: Who is going to put this machinery in motion and to decide which is the nearest nation?


Herbert Brown Ames: The Council of the League of Nations will be called. In a case of that kind an emergency meeting can be called within six days, and the machinery could be immediately put into motion.


John Hampden Burnham: The hon. member has laid stress upon the judicial functions of the League of Nations. Now, the very essence of judicial function is that the judges shall have no interest whatever in the suit or matter laid before them for decision. How, therefore, do you carry out the parallel, when the nations concerned have, perhaps, very much of a private national interest in the matter to be determined?


Herbert Brown Ames: I think it is understood that whenever a question comes up for decision in which two members of the League of Nations are interested, they shall both abstain from voting.


William Antrobus Griesbach: Returning to this question otf Persia, I may point out that there is no analogy between the case of the fire department and that of calling upon certain nations to act as suggested, because people do not get killed in putting out a fire but they do when they go to war. What guarantee is there that the Italians, if called upon, as the nearest people, to take action, would do so? Is that agreed to?


Herbert Brown Ames: Well, you have to take it for granted that the nations who have signed and subscribed to the covenant of the League of Nations will live up to their obligations. I do not think we can quite discuss what would happen if a nation, having, signed the covenant, should refuse to fulfil it. The understanding is that the Council of the League of Nations can take such steps as are necessary for the defence of any nation that is unjustly attacked.


William Antrobus Griesbach: As a member of the League of Nations, we ourselves are under some obligation to respond to a demand of the League of Nations for an armed force?


Herbert Brown Ames: Yes.


William Antrobus Griesbach: To what extent would we be called upon to contribute an armed force if we happened to find ourselves near the place where, the trouble was?


John Hampden Burnham: Such as the United States, for example?


Newton Wesley Rowell: The situation as already explained by my hon. friend (Sir Herbert Ames) is this; that in case a dispute should arise and the Council of the League should decide that armed forces should be called upon to assist in settling that dispute, they would have to summon to the Council the nations which they considered should pro-



vide the armed forces; the representatives of those nations "would be entitled to sit on the Council for the purpose of considering and determining that matter, and no country could be called upon to contribute an armed force unless its representative on the Council agreed that that nation should contribute that force. There can be no compulsion. It has been pointed out to this House before that the success of the League depends upon the co-operation and goodwill of the nations who are parties to it, backed by the sound moral sense and public opinion of the world. The League of Nations, in the last analysis, depends upon the public opinion of the world for its justification and support.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Supposing the nation in closest proximity to the seat of trouble, on being called upon to act, after having a representative on the Council, refuses to act and the next-nearest nation was called upon and it refuses to act, how far back will the matter be carried until somebody does act?


Newton Wesley Rowell: 
William Antrobus Griesbach: If this nation or any other nation were to accept the advice of the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) and disarm, that nation would at once put itself into a position of being unable to obey the request of the League of Nations if it "were called upon to police some other locality? Is that not so?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I do not know that it
would be profitable for us to enter on a review of the question of disarmament on a discussion of this item, I think we had better confine ourselves to the matter under discussion. The hon. member is, however, quite correct. The League of Nations contemplates the existence of force in the nations that are parties to the Treaty and the use of that force for the purpose of preserving the world peace as against a nation which violates its obligations under the Treaty or is disturbing the peace of the world. It does not aim at the complete elimination of armaments; it does aim at a substantial reduction in armaments, in reducing armaments proportionately to a much more moderate basis than that which exists in Europe to-day, although no suggestion has been made to any nation in Eurpoe of a reduction in armanments that could compare with the maximum that is proposed in Canada.


William Antrobus Griesbach: I should not like to be understood as opposing a genuine, reasonable and well-thought-out attempt to bring about the cessation or diminution of war, and I was struck with one sentence that fell from the lips of my hon. friend (Sir Robert Ames), when he said that, amongst other things, the League of Nations would undertake the study of the causes of war and the removal of those causes. If the League of Nations does nothing but that, it will be taking a long step towards the diminution of war. The study of the causes and the scientific and intelligent removal of the causes of war are

the first steps. To begin this attempt at the diminution of war, to precede all discussion by disarmament is, in my judgment, the height of nonsense. I can never subscribe to that, but I agree that the League of Nations can do a very useful work, in the first place, by studying the causes of war and, in the second place, by attempting to remove those causes.


Herbert Brown Ames: The hon. member need have no anxiety that disarmament will come suddenly to the world. All the tendency is the other way. But I think he will admit that what has already been done to that ultimate end is wise. When the meeting of the Council was held in Rome, there were present representatives of the armies, navies and air forces of nearly all the principal nations. A committee of twenty-seven was, or is being formed, there being nine naval, nine air and nine military experts on this committee. Their duties are both immediate and future, their immediate duties being to examine carefully into the military strength of each nation which applies for admission to the League with a view to seeing whether these nations are likely to be militaristic in character and to set the extent of the military strength that one of these new nations entering the League may be permitted to carry. Their second duty is to prepare a convention with a view to securing the recording of all sales of arms that are made by nations in Europe to undeveloped peoples in other parts of the world. It is realized that there is an immense stock of ammunition and arms in the hands of certain nations in Europe who need the money and do not need the arms, and there is a great temptation to them to sell these arms and ammunition to backward countries in other parts of the world. When these backward countries find themselves in possession of modern arms, it is a direct incentive to war. Consequently, the second task that falls upon this expert committee that is now well on in the process of formation is to prepare a scheme by which all such sales of arms must be registered, and no sale of arms can be made without the permission of the League. It is recognized that anything like proportional disarmament is a matter requiring long and careful consideration, but it is expected that this expert committee- which, mind you, is primarily composed of military, naval, and air men,-will first undertake a complete stock-taking, so to speak, of the war possibilities of all the 2524
nations of the world. When the actual facts are obtained, and are codified so that they can be studied, then it will be possible by agreement, I believe, to have a proportional disarmament of the world undertaken, so that no nation will suddenly find itself entirely at the mercy of its neighbour, and that each nation will gradually find that the burden of preparedness which it has hitherto carried can be lessened, knowing that the other nations of the world are doing the same thing. If we can once get the armaments of the world down to such a small extent that no nation can suddenly take any other nation by the throat we shall have gone a long way towards securing everlasting peace.


Henri Sévérin Béland: We have now reached the point where we are asked to believe that the maintenance of peace and the curtailment of armaments are the aims of the League of Nations, and also, we are told, of the Canadian Government and of the division of St. Antoine, Montreal. I would ask the hon. member if the United States was represented at the meetings of the Council that have been held in the last five months,-the United States being one of the five Great Powers?


Herbert Brown Ames: I think I can say that no important step has been taken by the Council of the League of Nations since its formation without an opportunity having been afforded to the United States to cooperate. That will be shown by our records. If the United States declined to co-operate, they will never be in a position to say they were not invited to do so on each important matter. As yet they do not officially cooperate. They have on several occasions unofficially permitted prominent Americans to give us the benefit of their views and advice, but so long as the United States is not a member of the League of Nations, it is, of course, not bound by the decisions that are arrived at, nor does it assume any official responsibility for the carrying out of those decisions.


Henri Sévérin Béland: May I ask further whether the hon. member has any information regarding the date of the next convening of the Assembly of the League of Nations, and the place where it will assemble?


Herbert Brown Ames: At the meeting in Rome it was decided that there shall be a meeting of the Assembly before the end of the present calendar year, and a decision was recorded that this meeting should commence in the first half of No-

vember. The Covenant provides that the first meeting of the Assembly must he called by President Wilson. He was therefore communicated with, and asked to issue the official call. It was suggested to him that one of the capitals of Europe would be a proper place. Whether Brussels was distinctly stated in the telegram or not I do not remember, but the understanding was that the preference of the Council for the first meeting of the Assembly was for Brussels.


Henri Sévérin Béland: Have Belgium, Spain, Greece and Brazil been represented at the different meetings of the Council?


Herbert Brown Ames: Every meeting of *the Council has been attended by eight members. They are not always the same persons, although, generally speaking, the representation is continuous. The four principal Powers, and Belgium, Spain, Greece and Brazil are represented at every meeting. The Council has never sat with less nor more than eight members.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: President Wilson was designated as the person to call the first meeting, I understand. The United States not being in the League and no one haying been designated to call the second meeting, who will call it?	,


Herbert Brown Ames: I should presume that the second meeting will take place where the first meeting decides it shall meet.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: On adjournment?


Mr. MACKIE (Edmonton):: Is it the
intention of the League to take any direct action in case of conflicts between Powers?


Herbert Brown Ames: I	understood
that we had been rather dealing with that question in the case of Persia.


Herbert John Mackie: To what
extent is it proposed to limit armaments, if it is the intention of the League to take direct action in such cases?


Herbert Brown Ames: Although it has always been understood that large standing armies and navies would be reduced, it was never thought there would be a time when there would not be a sufficient army and navy for the polipe purposes of the world.


Herbert John Mackie: Why is the
League not taking any action in the matter of the war between Russia and Poland, and the war between Poland and Ukra-nia?


Herbert Brown Ames: Neither Russia
nor Ukrania is a member of the League. So far as Poland is concerned, Poland's allegation is that this it not a new war, but simply a continuation of their war of self-defence.


Herbert John Mackie: Why is not the League taking direct action and settling the difficulties among these nations on the principles which have been enunciated by the hon. member this evening?


Herbert Brown Ames: The League of
Nations is not setting up the old wars. The League of Nations has to accept the world, when peace is made, and deal with it from then onwards. That brings up this very important difference between the Supreme Council and the League of Nations. We are often asked why the Supreme Council does not bring its duties to an end and make room for the League of Nations. That arises from a misconception of the difference ,between the two bodies. The Supreme Council differs, both in its composition, and in the work that it does, from the League of Nations. The Supreme Council will continue until the Treaties have all been drawn up and accepted, and until the force to cause them to be accepted has been used, if necessary. When the world is at peace it is not expected that there will be very much left for the Supreme Council to do. On the other hand the League of Nations is not merely a small sub-committee of the victorious powers. The League of Nations includes thirteen neutral powers; its powers are curative and constructive and it takes hold where the Supreme Council lets go.


Herbert John Mackie: Is it the intention of the League) to recognize, the principle of self-determination, .and if so why does it not recognize the demand of Ukrainia for self-determination?


Herbert Brown Ames: A state can be
taken into the League as a nation only by the Assembly. Ukrainia is one of eight or ten smaller powers, I understand, that are applying for .admission to the League. If, when the Assembly meets next November, they are satisfied1 that there is a stable government in Ukrainia, that she can be recognized as .an independent nation and that she is prepared to fulfil the obligations that fall upon a League member, the Assembly may then take Ukrainia into the League. They'cannot be taken in except by the Assembly; the Council has not power to do it.

Mr. GRIE.SBACH: The hon. member used the expression,, "recognizing a . nation/' some time ago and said that the League of Nations was not a super-state. Would the League of Nations recognize the belligerency of a revolting country or the independence of a country that had achieved its independence before the Great Powers, or only after it had been recognized either ,as a belligerent or as an independent by the Great Powers?


Herbert Brown Ames: I do not think that question has ever been raised. The understanding is that each nation makes its application and each nation is considered on its merits.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: What is the position of Armenia to-day in relation to mandatory control by the League of Nations?


Herbert Brown Ames: With respect to Armenia, the first 'Step that is to be taken is to delimit its boundaries. At the present time "Armenia" is a term which spreads over a larger or smaller portion of the map. President Wilson has been asked by the League of Nations to delimit Armenia. That, as I say, is the first step. It still remains to the Supreme Council after these limits are suggested to determine whether they are satisfactory and to take the necessary steps to crystallize that area into a state. Then it becomes necessary to get a mandatory appointed. It has already been suggested that the United States should accept the mandate. The United States, I understand-, has 'declined to do so and therefore it comes back to the Supreme Council to determine what to do with Armenia. The Supreme Council in turn is suggesting to the League of Nations that it should find a mandatory. It is possible that the League of Nations may decide to guarantee a loan of the necessary funds to put Armenia on a sound financial basis and may also guarantee the necessary force to be raised among the powers for its defence, in which case it may be possible to secure some small state that can take over the administration with a feeling that the whole expense will not fall upon them and that they will' not be compelled to maintain a large army in Armenia for its protection.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Has Greece not been
asked to become the mandatory?


Herbert Brown Ames: I do not think
Greece has been asked to become the mandatory; at least it had not up to the time when I left London.


Mr. COCKSHUTT:: Mr. Chairman, I
desire to congratulate the hon. member (Sir Herbert Ames) upon the splendid address which he has given us to-night. I have long looked upon him as one of the best types of Christian statesmanship that we have produced in Canada. I have been closely associated with him for about sixteen years and I must say that as a gentleman I hold him in the highest esteem. I have followed with great interest the remarks he has made to-night and I believe that if anybody can make a success of what is a very difficult proposition the hon. gentleman will be able to do his full share.
I am pleased and delighted with the description he has given of the aims and objects of the League. But, as we cannot spend all out time on ideals, he will perhaps pardon me if I draw attention to two1 or three matters in connection with the League of Nations that have been stumbling blocks to myself and in regard to which I have expressed my views in this House on previous occasions.	[DOT]
This is probably the greatest ideal the world has produced up to date. Unless it is the great success that it is expected to be it may prove one of the greatest fallacies the world has ever seen along the line of the attempted control of nations. Just looking at the practical side I want to make a very few remarks. The hon. member for St. Antoine devoted a large part of his remarks to the question of disarmament, and the word "armament" was not mentioned in a way to suggest that armaments were being increased. I do not know that we would be justified, as the leader of the Opposition (Mr. Mackenzie King) apparently thought, in cutting down the very meagre Estimates that have been presented to this House for the naval, military and air services. I do not think that the hon, member for St. Antoine himself desired that his speech should be used in that direction. Therefore the leader of the Opposition, who has retired from the Chamber, for the moment, was not justified in seizing upon his remarks at the very earliest opportunity and using them as an argument against the very moderate proposals we are trying to get through the House in the way of naval and military Estimates .
What I would like to have heard from the hon. gentleman who has delivered this .splendid address to-night is a little more about the difficulties that are in the way of the success of the League and- not quite so much about the idealistic period that is expected to arrive in the history of the


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I would like
to ask wThat the Budget of the League was during its organizing period, and the amount of Canada's share? I would also like an estimate, if possible, of probable future expenditure.


Newton Wesley Rowell: 
Henri Sévérin Béland: Is that the disadvantage of being too big?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Yes. Canada is one of the contributors, in the higset class; so is Australia; so is England. Under the convention relating t'o the International Postal Union at least five units of the British Empire are in the first class, and on the existing basis we are called upon to contribute more than our real share' having regard to our relative standing with the other nations. I understand that one of the matters to come before the Assembly at its first meeting is a reconsideration of the basis of contribution, with a view to an amendment of the Covenant which will make the basis more equitable. When that basis is agreed upon-our share or contribution will undoubtedly be substantially reduced.	/	t


William Lyon Mackenzie King: How does our share compare with the share Great Britain pays?
Mr. ROWEiLL: It is exactly the same as Great Britain's share and the United States' share; Australia's share is the same. I do not know why Canada is on the same basis as Great Britain and the United States in the International Postal Union, but she is, and therefore we are paying now on this basis a larger share than we will after the readjustment is made.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Is the United States paying?


Newton Wesley Rowell: She is not a member of the League. Of course, if she comes in she will have to pay.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Would our payment be reduced by the entrance of the United States?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Yes.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: We are paying more now because of the fact that the United States is not in the League?


Newton Wesley Rowell: All nations which have joined the League are paying more than they would pay if the other nations were also members.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: What Canadians are participating in the work of this League?


Newton Wesley Rowell: In addition to Sir Herbert Ames, who is the financial director, Doctor Riddell, who was Deputy Minister of Labour for the province of Ontario, has recently been appointed in connection with the International Labour Office. I am not quite sure of his exact position but Sir Herbert Ames will be able to tell us. Mr. Waugh has been appointed to the Saar Valley Basin Commission. Those are the three principal appointments.


Mr. BEL  AND@: How many members compose the financial directorate?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Just one.
Mr. MiARCIL (Bonaventure): We have been told that Canada might be represented at the Council of the League if Canadian interests were at stake. Who is to judge when a question affects Canada as distinct from the British Empire; or is Canada called in when a decision may be arrived at in which the Empire alone is represented?


Newton Wesley Rowell: If the question affected Canada in the sense that Canada might be called upon to take some action under the terms of the Covenant, then Canada would be entitled to be represented at the Council of the League.


Charles Marcil: Otherwise she has no representation except through the British representative?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Canada is represented
in the assembly in the same way as every other country which is not now represented on the Council.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I see my hon. friend (Sir Herbert Ames) has returned to

his seat. I was asking in his absence what Canadians are participating in the work of the League?


Herbert Brown Ames: Mr. Waugh, who is on the Saar Valley Basin Governing Commission; Doctor Riddell, who, I understand, came from the Ontario Government, and who occupies a position in the Labour Office in connection with the study of unemployment; there are one or two younger men in subordinate positions and one young lady. Mr. Martel went over, I understand, as the Vice-President of Trades and Labour Council of Montreal. Then to the various committees that are sitting from time to time we send Canadian representatives. At the present moment Mr. Gundy is over there assisting in the organization of the Financial Conference. He came somewhat ahead of time owing to the conference having been postponed, and as he was likely to be in England some time he offered to help the committee, and is doing so I understand.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: He made up for the one representative of labour who came after the conference?


Herbert Brown Ames: Yes. At the present time in Geneva, where a Labour Conference is being held in connection with seamen's working conditions, we have Messrs. Robb, Gauthier and Desbarats. We should be represented at all of these important conferences whenever matters affecting Canada come up for consideration; and I hope that from time to time we may be able to secure outstanding Canadians who will make good as those who have already joined us are doing.


Charles Gavan Power: Is it the fact that our Canadian delegates at the Shipping Conference refused to go on until some American delegates were present?


Herbert Brown Ames: I cannot tell you, because whatever happened there has happened since I returned to Canada.


Charles Marcil: All these appointments are made on the recommendation of the Canadian Government?


Herbert Brown Ames: Not necessarily. One of the principles laid down by the League of Nations is that the Secretary-General shall be at liberty to choose men wherever he can find them who have the qualifications, and offer them whatever is necessary to secure their services. Only a short time ago I was deputed to go to Geneva to interview a prom-

inent Swiss gentleman to ascertain whether he would accept an important position in connection with the League of Nations, and I was told to make it very clear to him that if he did not accept the position it would not go to Switzerland, but to a native of Denmark, and that he was invited purely in his personal capacity.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Who is the Secretary-
General?


Herbert Brown Ames: Sir Eric Drummond, who has had a long experience in external affairs. He was private secretary to Mr. Balfour when the latter visited Canada some years ago, and he was also private Secretary to Lord Grey, when Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs.


Mr. McMASTER:: What are the probabilities as to the Great Powers which are not now members of the League of Nations entering the League?


Herbert Brown Ames: It is the earnest desire as far as possible to have every Power great and small enter the League of Nations in due course. For example, I do not think there is any desire to keep out for any prolonged period even those States [DOT]which were originally enemies of the Allies. It is only a question of when the right time arrives for those Powers one by one to be taken in, on condition that they apply to be taken in, and I think practically all of them will apply. In the case of Russia it is impossible to prophesy, because we do not know what condition of affairs exists in that country, nor are we permitted as yet to carry on that inquiry which the League considers to be necessary in order to know the exacst facts regarding the Soviet administration.


Newton Wesley Rowell: Before we pass from this item I wish to mention a matter of some importance in connection with External Affairs. At an earlier period of the session I intimated, in answer to a question put by an hon. member opposite, that if the Hungarian and Turkish Treaties were signed and copies were available in time they would be sumbitted to the House before the House prorogued. Although the Hungarian Treaty has been signed, an authenticated copy has not yet been received; it is, therefore, not possible to submit it to the House this session. The Turkish Treaty has been submitted to the Turkish plenipotentiaries, and although its terms are settled the Turkish plenipotentiaries have not yet made their answer; therefore it will not be possible to submit that Treaty to the House
during the present session. As the principles embodied in these Treaties, however, are similar to those embodied in the Treaties which have already been submitted to and approved by the House, I take it that in the absence of any expression of opinion to the contrary by the House the Government would not be justified in withholding its approval of ratification of these Treaties until another session of Parliament if it should appear to be in the public interest that they should be ratified and put into operation before the House reassembles. I wanted to mention that fact so that the House would be apprised of the situation. If hon. members wish to know anything of the Treaties as submitted, I shall be glad to give them the information.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Can my hon.
friend suggest to the committee any particular injury the world's affairs are likely to suffer through failure on the part of Parliament to ratify these Treaties, and wherein it may be necessary for the Governor in Council to act in order to save the international situation?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I can only repeat what
I have previously said on one or two occasions: that the British Empire cannot ratify these Treaties or put them into effect without the consent of the Government of Canada, one of the constituent nations of the Empire. These Treaties will not be ratified or put into effect unless the British Empire is a party to such ratification.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Does my hon. friend suggest that the Government of Great Britain is prevented from becoming a party to these Treaties with Hungary and Turkey if this Parliament does not take some action in the matter?


Newton Wesley Rowell: No, I did not suggest
that. I say that the British Empire will not ratify any of these Treaties without the consent of Canada. It is not Great Britain, but His Majesty, representing the whole Empire, who is a party to the Treaty, and His Majesty will not ratify these Treaties unless all the constituent nations of the Empire approve of the ratification. That Act is an Act of the Government, not of the Parliament of Canada. I intimated that if the copies of the Treaties arrived in time they would be submitted to Parliament so that the Government might have as a basis for its action in recommending ratification the approval of the House as it had in the case of the other Treaties. I now point out that

for the reasons which I have given the Hungarian and Turkish Treaties cannot be submitted to the House during the present session.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Would His
Majesty not have power to ratify on behalf of such parts of the Empire as had expressed their approval? Is it necessary that all should ratify at the same time?
Mr. ROW'ELL:	It may be that His
Majesty could ratify with respect to certain portions of the British Empire; I do not care to enter into a discussion of that question to-night. But His Majesty is not a party as representing a section of the British Empire; he is a party as representing the whole Empire. Up to date all the nations which compose the Empire have acted in concert in ratification and it is hoped they will act in concert in the future.
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Andrew Ross McMaster: I trust that the Government will move in the direction of seeing to it that unanimous concurrence shall not be required in order that a Treaty may become effective. I can imagine a case where a Treaty might remain unratified for a considerable time through one of the legislatures, say that of New Zealand, not sitting. In such a case it would seem to be a matter of convenience that the King as representing say, Canada, Australia, South Africa and Great Britain, should be able to ratify so far as these parts of the Empire were concerned, while New Zealand might ratify afterwards.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: I should like to say one word to my hon. friend, inasmuch as he has specifically raised this question. The outstanding feature of the address which we heard this evening was the intimation respecting the passing away of the era of secret diplomacy. The note that was sounded most strongly in the House at the beginning of this session was that in these international affairs, certainly in our diplomatic affairs, there should be an end to secrecy and also an end to action by the Governor in Council as a substitute for Parliament. If these Treaties are of any significance at all they ought to be submitted to Parliament; the princip^ of the supremacy of Parliament should be maintained at all costs.


Newton Wesley Rowell: That is the reason why
I explained to my hon. friend the situation as it stands. If any hon. member wishes to know the terms of these Treaties we shall be glad to explain them, because we have 
the contents of the Treaties although we have not received the executed documents.


Charles Gavan Power: I understand that Anatolia has been handed over to Greece. This question, I believe, has been dealt with by the Turkish Treaty-the question of Anatolia and Smyrna. What is going to happen to these territories?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Under the proposed
Treaty with Turkey, Smyrna and the adjacent territory is under the administrative jurisdiction of Greece, although the sovereignty of Turkey is (preserved over it for a period of five years. At the end of five years a vote is to be taken to determine whether it is to fall under the sovereignty of Greece or to remain under the sovereignty of Turkey.


Charles Gavan Power: Despatches have recently
appeared in the press to the effect that Greece is to be given a free hand in cleaning up the Turkish nationalists in these regions, in spite of the serious advice tendered to the Prime Ministers by Marshal Foch and Sir William Wilson. Does the Government know anything about that?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I congratulate my hon.
friend upon his familiarity with the despatches which appear from day to day in the. press. We have no information in the matter.


Michael Steele: Shall the item carry?


Mr. DUFF:: Before the. item carries I think we should have some information with regard to it. We have spent sufficient time in discussing the matter of the League of Nations; we have been at it since eight o'clock, and I think it is about time we got down to business.


Newton Wesley Rowell: The understanding was
that we would not take up the Civil Government items until the application of the classification was placed on the Table. I am prepared to let the item stand; we took it up only in order that hon. members who desired to put questions to the hon. member for St. Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) might have an opportunity of doing so. But the difference in the amount of this item over that of last year is very slight, and I think we could dispose of it in two or three minutes. That, however, rests with my hon. friend (Mr. Mackenzie King); if he desires it, I am willing that the item stand.


William Lyon Mackenzie King: Possibly it would be better to keep to the understanding that has been made and not to proceed with Civil Government Estimates until there is laid on the table of the House the reclassification that we have been waiting for during the whole of this session.


Charles Gavan Power: Will it be possible under this item to discuss the question of our relations with Washington with reference to the newsprint situation?
Item stands.
Allowance to Mr. W. J. Stewart, Chief Hydro-grapher, for services performed under Order in Council of the 19th October, 1912, in relation to questions under consideration by the International Joint Commission, during the year 1919-20, $1,000.


Mr. KEEFER:: A similar item was in last year's Estimates.


John Howard Sinclair: What does Mr. Stewart do?


Francis Henry Keefer: He is a consulting -engineer who attends all the meeting' of the International Joint Commission and advises the commission on questions that arise.


John Howard Sinclair: Is it merely for attending meetings that he gets this $1,000?


Francis Henry Keefer: There is considerable work in connection with this, and many a night I have known him to be working late hours. He may ibe called as a witness to give expert testimony on any international waterway question that comes up.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: If we are paying a man, we want to know if he is a capable man and doing good work. It is not enough for the hon. member -to tell us that Mr. Stewart has been out late and that sort of thing.


Francis Henry Keefer: He was one of the commissioners on the International Boundary Disputes Commission of which Sir George Gibbons was chairman as well His title is Chief Hy-drographer.


John Howard Sinclair: What is the Order in Council under which he works?


Francis Henry Keefer: An Order in Council was passed in 1912, appointing him and fixing the remuneration.
Mr. -CAHILL: Does this man draw a salary from any other department of the Government?


Francis Henry Keefer: As Chief Hy-drographer he draws a salary, I think, from the Naval Department.
ME CAHILL: What salary?


Francis Henry Keefer: I cannot answer that.


Charles Marcil: Does he get this salary by Order in pouncil?


Francis Henry Keefer: Yes.


Charles Marcil: Was the Civil Service Commission consulted in the matter?


Newton Wesley Rowell: He was appointed in 1912 and has been acting ever since. As a matter of fact, Mr. Stewart is- in Europe now in connection with international waterways matters. *
Amount required to meet expenses of the Bake of the Woods Technical Board and the Bake of the Woods Control Board, $10,000.


Francis Henry Keefer: This is an item in connection with an award made a couple of ye-ars ago by the International Joint Commission in reference to the Lake of the Woods, and pursuant to that award a domestic Board of Control will be appointed to regulate the waters at the boundary there.


John Howard Sinclair: How does it happen that we need two boards?


Francis Henry Keefer: The Lake of the Woods Technical Board was the board constituted during the reference before the International Commission. Pursuant to the report made by that body, ,it became necessary to have this second body, the Lake of the Woods Control Board, and the Technical Board (will practically cease now.


Mr. PARENT:: What is the personnel of each of these two boards?


Francis Henry Keefer: The personnel of the
Lake of the Woods Technical Board consists of practically the leading engineers of the different departments, Mr. C. G. Chapleau, Mr. Ohallies, Mr. -Stewart-and others-about six or seven different members; I have (forgotten the names of the rest. The personnel of the Lake of the Woods Control Board consists of Mr. Stewart as chairman, and two members appointed by Canada and two appointed by the province of Ontario. The dam that controls the whole situation is at Kenora, and from that dam the waters are regulated back. As the province of Ontario is affected by this matter it has asserted its right to representation on the board.


Charles Marcil: Who are
the members of the International Waterways Commission at present?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I'he International Joint
Commission at present is composed of five

members, one of the American members having died recently. The Canadian members are Mr. Magrath, Sir William Hearst and Mr. Powell, of St John, N. B. The American members are Mr. Gardner and Mr. Clark.


Charles Marcil: The province of Quebec used to have a representative on that commission on account of the St. Lawrence.


Mr. BALLANTYNE:: Judge Mignault
used to be a member.


Charles Marcil: Is it
merely -an accident that Quebec is overlooked?


Newton Wesley Rowell: It may have been an
accident that the province of Ontario was not represented before. It is turn about. Quebec had a representative; now Ontario has one.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Is the real reason not the fact that there was an accident which happened to Sir William Hearst a few months ago and that this place had to be found for him?


Newton Wesley Rowell: That had absolutely
nothing to do with this.


William Duff: When was he appointed?


Newton Wesley Rowell: Some four or five months ago. I am not sure of the date.


William Duff: Before or after the Ontario election ?


Newton Wesley Rowell: After. He is thoroughly well qualified for the position.


Charles Marcil: 
Newton Wesley Rowell: Mr. Powell has been
a member of the Commission for some years.


Charles Marcil: Does not the minister think Montreal is a city of sufficient importance to be represented on a <M>mmission of this kind?


Newton Wesley Rowell: I do not think any city in Canada is entitled to representation on the commission as a city.


Charles Marcil: As a national port, I mean?
TMr. Rowell.]


Newton Wesley Rowell: No, because the commission does not deal with national ports. It deals wholly with international questions from the Atlantic to the Pacific. The St. Lawrence is one of the -most important, and that happens to be before the commission at the present time,, but no city is entitled as such to representation on the commission. Every section of the country is entitled to fair consideration in choosing representatives on important commissions such as this.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Might I just voice a
protest from the province of Quebec by reason of the fact that there is no man from our province on this board. Ever since the board was formed it has always had a French-speaking member, if I do not mistake. I am the last man in the world to raise questions of race or religion in this House, but it does seem to me representing as we do the province of Quebec, one of the great maritime sections of the country, a province through which flows for such a long part of its course the greatest river of Canada, and from the fact that for so long that race which composes the majority in our province has had a representative on this board'-it does seem to me too bad that this wholesome custom of dividing the positions for honour among the two great races of which this country is composed has been departed' from in this case.


Charles Marcil: Does not the Prime Minister think that in view of the importance of the port of Montreal, and the 1,000 miles of the St. Lawrence running through the province of Quebec, that the province deserves some representation on that commission?


Robert Laird Borden: My hon. friend will remember that the province of Quebec had representation on the commission, first in the person of the k te Hon. T. Chase Gas-grain, and! afterwards in the person of the present Mr. Justice Mignault,. who has been elevated to the Supreme Court of Canada. It happens, just for the moment, that there is no representative from the province of Quebec on the International Joint Commission. I entirely agree that the point of view just presented should always be kept in mind, and that what my hon. friend has urged should be our aim. No one has greater sympathy with what has been expressed8 in that regard than I have.
I move that the committee rise, report progress, and ask leave to sit again this day.


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Motion agreed to. Progress reported.

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On the motion of Sir Henry Drayton (Minister of Finance) the House went into committee to consider the following proposed resolution, Mr. Steele in the Chair:
1.	That it is expedient to bring in a measure to provide that in any case where a person (hereinafter called the "purchaser") has entered into a contract with a shipbuilder for the building in Canada of a vessel of not less than three thousand tons, and such contract is approved by the Ministers of Finance and Marine and Fisheries, and a sum not less than ten per centum of the price of such vessel is paid by the purchaser to the shipbuilder in cash at the time the contract is entered into, and, if such cash payment is less than twenty per centum of such price, the payment to the shipbuilder of a further sum which with the said cash payment will amount to not less than twenty per centum of such price, no later than six months after such time, and the payment of a further sum not later than nine months after such time, if the previous payments are less than twenty-five per centum of such price, which will be sufficient with the other said payments to amount to at least twenty-five per centum of the total of such price are contracted for and secured to the satisfaction of the Minister of Finance, and the payment of an additional twenty-five per centum of the price is arranged between the purchaser and the shipbuilder, the Governor in Council may authorize the Minister of Finance to endorse on behalf of His Majesty promissory notes drawn by the purchaser in favour of the shipbuilder for the remaining fifty per centum of the price of the said vessel. The Governor in Council shall prescribe the place where such notes shall be paid, the method of discounting them, and the time when such notes are to be paid.
Provided that the first of such notes shall be made payable at a date not less than twenty-one months after the time the contract was entered into, and the last of such notes shall be made payable at a date not later than fifty-seven months after such time.
2.	That a mortgage on the vessel for the full amount of the notes so endorsed by the Minister of Finance, in such form as the Minister of Justice may approve, shall be giv^n to His Majesty, and the said vessel shall be registed in Canada, and the register shall not be transferred, until the amount secured by the mortgage has been fully satisfied and paid.
3.	That until the amount secured by the mortgage is fully satisfied and paid, the vessel shall be insured and kept insured in favour of His Majesty for such amount and against such risks and in such insurance companies as the Minister of Finance may determine.
Provided that if the vessel is being built for an alien, and the provisions above mentioned with respect to mortgaging the vessel cannot conveniently be complied with, such security for the amount of the said promissory notes endorsed by the Minister of Finance shall be furnished by the purchaser as may be approved by the Governor in Council.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON:: In asking the concurrence of the committee in this resolution it is necessary for me to refer briefly to the situation in which we find ourselves
to-day in the matter of shipbuilding in Canada. We have a large number of shipbuilding yards in this country, seventeen, if I remember rightly, well equiped, and capable of turning out a maximum net tonnage of 250,000 tons a year. Roughly speaking, we have employed in that industry some 25,000 men. That is the figure which is usually used, but I have been trying to get the best possible information on the subject, and I think a nearer figure would be 23,500 men employed in the industry itself. Besides the men engaged in shipbuilding proper, there are a large number of men of necessity engaged in industries which are dependent upon activity in shipbuilding. It is more difficult to determine the exact number of men employed in these other industries, because they are more widespread and so diverse. But again the figure of 25,000 men has been pretty generally accepted. That may be a little too high; I do not know that it is much too high.
This question of aid to shipbuilding is not a new one. It is one that has been more or less forced upon the attention of the Government. For some considerable time insistent demands have been made, in the first instance, that the country should adopt a system of bonusing shipbuilding in this country. These demands were not only fathered by the shipyards, but were very energetically endorsed by the men employed in the shipyards, the Trades and Labour Council, as, well as by returned soldier organizations, because it so happens that very many returned soldiers have found employment and remunerative employment in shipbuilding. The Government, however, has been unable to see its way to recommend to this House any bonus in connection with shipbuilding. Apart altogether from anything that can be urged in favour of or against the bonus system, a bonus would really not solve the difficulty in this case, which is to see that the men employed in shipbuilding have a chance to continue in their employment. The real difficulty is not a difficulty of price, but of credit. It was a difficulty arising out of exchange troubles, and the impossibility on the one hand, of many purchasers, absolutely solvent making full cash payments for their boats,, and the inability on the other hand, of the shipyards to finance the whole con-11 p.m. struction. Further requests have been made. Different contracts, or proposals for different contracts, have been brought from overseas, and the request -has been made that the sums which were voted by this House for the purpose of

extending credit to overseas nations should be applied in connection with shipbuilding. We had a total vote of something over $100,000,000 of credits, but as a matter of fact only some $30,000,000 or $40,000,000 of that-roughly speaking, but I am approximately correct-has been used. The request was that the balance of these votes should bb applied for the purpose of enabling construction to go on. We were unable to see our way to do that, because after all the whole effect of applying credits on that basis would be that to a very large extent the whole risk would be taken by the country. Instead of doing mat the suggestion was made that, notwithstanding the difficulties of exchange, some cash must be supplied by these purchasers and that in addition to their supplying cash the shipbuilder himself would have to look after his own overhead and profits. The proposition which is now before the committee, and embodied in this resolution, is that twenty-five per cent in cash must be paid by the purchaser, that the shipbuilder has to look after twenty-five per cent and that the remaining twenty-five per cent has to be looked after by an issue of notes made by the purchaser and endorsed by the Government but that the Government's endorsa-tion shall be secured by^a first mortgage on the boat.


Mr. CAHILL:: What about the other
twenty-five per cent? [DOT]


Henry Lumley Drayton: Twenty-five per cent is to'be paid by the purchaser in cash, twenty-five per cent is to be looked after by the shipbuilder and that means that he looks after whatever there is of cost over and above seventy-five per cent. But he looks after his own overhead and he certainly looks after his own profit. That leaves fifty per cent and that fifty per cent it is proposed to raise by an issue of notes issued by the purchaser, endorsed by the Government, and secured by a first mortgage which will put the Government in the position of having an absolute first claim on that boat.
There is just one- other difficulty in connection with mortgages, in some foreign countries where perfectly solvent purchasers are to be found but who cannot well make payments by reason of the fact that exchange works so heavily against them, the laws provide that citizens of those countries cannot be owners of vessels unless those vessels are placed on the register of their country. Of course the mortgage to be of any use to us has to be a mortgage on

a boat of Canadian register, and we must maintain Canadian registration in connection .with all boats which we hold for any mortgage claim. In connection with countries of that kind the resolution means that in those cases security to the full extent must be placed in the hands of the country's bankers, the Bank of Montreal, either at their Paris office in France, or at their London office, before any endorsation takes place. As we require a margin of fifty per cent we provide that . the security, in order to be satisfactory, shall be a security of a similar character. What I mean by that is this. One of the great difficulties is in connection with currency payments for these boats. Some of the French banks and companies, which say that they are anxious to get boats here, are certainly solvent and strong but they do not see their way to making the large loss in exchange, and in a case of that kind the security which would be demanded would be security in the currency of the country that would be ample and sufficient, having regard to the margin of the security that we are insisting on in connection with the mortgage to protect the Government's endorsation. The result of it all is . that the country takes this risk but it takes the risk of taking over a 'Canadian boat at fifty cents on the dollar. As against that risk it ensures private shipbuilding being carried on and the continuance of an industry in which some $47,000,000 has been spent and in which a very large number of our best workers are engaged. That is the only risk.
'Besides the different matters that I have already drawn the attention of hon. gentlemen to, I should point out that we are not bound to take any contract. A contract, before being taken must be passed upon by the Department of Marine and the Department of Finance. It must be passed upon by the Department of Marine because the question of the price is an important one and the department is in a position to pass upon that issue; also because the question as to the power of the contracting firm to build a proper boat is a very vital matter and that department again is in a position to determine that point. It must be passed upon by the Finance Department because the question of the solvency of the purchaser, the class of man that the country is asked to do business with, is also a ' matter of prime importance.
I do not know that it is necessary to take up the time of the House further. The issue is an important one. We,certainly did not

refuse the bonus because we felt that shipbuilding should not go on, or because we felt that employment should not be continued, but because we thought that was not the right way of dealing with the matter; and I think that hon. gentlemen as a whole will agree with that conclusion. We did not refuse to include shipbuilding in credits already authorized by the House because we thought that shipbuilding ought not to be carried on but simply because too great an element of risk was involved and because we desired to see that the element of risk should be removed to the greatest possible extent. On the other hand we are anxious, and I know that hon. gentlemen are anxious, that there should be some proper solution to this very vital question, because, of all the manufactured exportable commodities or products that are sent out of this country, there is nothing in which the amount spent for labour is as great as it is in shipbuilding.


John Howard Sinclair: The
Minister of Finance has told us that twenty-five per cent of the amount will be advanced by the purchaser, twenty-five per cent by the builder and that the Government will become liable for the remaining fifty per cent. My question is: Will these advances be made by the purchaser to the builder before the Government is asked to make any advances?


Henry Lumley Drayton: The payments
made by the purchasers are to be made before the Government makes any advance at all. Of course we would have to get ready to do it. The purchaser must pay at least" 10 per cent of the contract entered into; he must then pay at least another 10 per cent at the expiration of six months from the date of the contract, and he has to pay the remaining 5 per cent in nine months after that date. So far as the claim of the builder is concerned that is not a matter, of course, of payment; that is a matter of the builder subordinating his claim to that of the Government. We are leaving the question of what the builder does with the purchaser entirely to one-side. He will have to make his own arrangements; he is not being assisted in that in the slightest degree. The Government always has to come first; and the loan can, never be more than 50 per cent either of the amount of material on hand or of the amount of work done.


John Howard Sinclair: Will the Government make advances to the builder while the construction is going on, or will
they wait until the builder or the purchaser puts 50 per cent in before they make any advance?


Henry Lumley Drayton: The advances must be made while the construction is going on. The amounts that II mentioned would not, of course, nearly cover the construction of the boat. The construction of the boat will not be completed until the whole 100 per cent is put into that boat. But we start out with the proposition that the Government is never to be committed for more than 50 per cent of the whole, and that it cannot be -committed to five cents until first the 25 per -cent is satisfactorily arranged. It cannot be allowed to stand longer than during -the dates I have given, and not one cent can be advanced until the builder subordinates his -claim for^ that 25 per cent to the Government's claim in respect of any contingent liability that it may ever be responsible for.


Andrew Ross McMaster: In other words, the
Government takes a second mortgage. Now what would happen if, after the purchaser had put up 25 ,per -cent in cash and -through the Government's endorsement of the purchaser's note another 50 per cent had been spent, the builder failed, leaving the boat three-quarters completed?
Sir HENRY -DRAYTON: That is one of the reasons why we would not like to say we would do this- with everybody or anybody. We have got to know whom we are dealing with.


Andrew Ross McMaster: If you were to make
an error in- judgment what might happen?


Henry Lumley Drayton: If we were to make an error in judgment we would have on our hands a boat for which 25 per cent in cash had been paid, and we would have to look after the balance.


Mr. BUREAU:: Are these advances to be made subject to any control?
-Sir HENRY DRAYTON: To the fullest control. The matter can only go along in the ordinary manner of shipbuilding. We have to have a naval architect, and advances can only be made and notes can only be endorsed on the -certificate of the architect -the ordinary system of progress certificates arranged either through Lloyds-


Jacques Bureau: Or the Bureau Veritas?
-Sir HENRY DRAYTON:-or the Bureau Veritas, acting in conjunction with our own department-the purchaser will require

either Lloyd or the Bureau Veritas. We, in addition to that, would require a check hy our own department.


Mr. PEDLOW:: Is there any interest on deferred payments in this transaction?


Henry Lumley Drayton: The Government's position is that, it advances nothing; it endorses. If there is a default it is the duty of the Government to enforce it against the security, but there is no Government advance at all.


Andrew Ross McMaster: I listened with great
pleasure this afternoon to the Prime Minister who said that it seemed to him there were people in this country and in 'this House who failed to appreciate the financial position in which Canada is at the present time. In bringing in this resolution I am very much afraid that the Minister of Finance will have to be classed among the latter-named people. II am opposed to this legislation absolutely on principle, and also because I think it is ill-advised and dangerous. Now what is the principle that is supposed' to rule the members of this House? That there should be special privileges for none, and equal rights for all. If I go-representing as I do a rural constituency- to the Minister of Finance, and I say, "There is a worthy farmer in my county who wants to put up a new steel barn made by a manufacturer of Montreal, and this manufacturer is quite willing that if he (the farmer) will pay him 25 per cent and will give him a promissory note for another 50 per cent endorsed by my learned and hon. friend the Minister of Finance he (the manufacturer) will take a second mortgage on the property,"-if I go with that proposal to the Minister of Finance will he listen to me for a minute? No. He will say, "That is an impossibility." I think this country has in the past made great mistakes by bonusing industries, either directly by bonuses or indirectly by a system of protection. I believe that that has had the effect of stimulating into precocious economic life many industries of the country before the country was ready for them, to the great loss of Canada and to the very slight benefit, if any, of the industries affected. Now, that is the first principle I want to lay down. Next, we are asked to commit ourselves- after the Minister of Finance has had to tax children's baseballs and skates in order to raise money-to an indirect liability without limit. There is not the slightest limit in this proposal. There is an indirect liabil-
ity. What does the minister say? "The element of risk is removed, we are only going to advance 50 per cent of the value of the ship." Well, before the war, ships could be built for about $50 per ton. I suppose the contracts which will be affected by this legislation will be contracts which will run from $175 to $200 per ton. Let us take $180 as a fair average. Well, ships will not always be built for $180 a ton. The shipping situation, as all other situations iln the world, will regulate itself; and in course of time, even if we make due allowance for the expansion of currency, we will find in a few years that ships can be built for $90 or $100 a ton. What does that mean? It means that our equity in the ships is wilped out altogether. The last Minister of Finance (Sir Thomas White) made a reputation for himself as the greatest borrowing minister that Canada has known; and if thife legislation goes through, the present Minister of Finance will make a reputation for himself as the greatest loaning Minister of Finance that we have known. I congratulate the 'minister when he tells us that of those credits to Rumania, to Greece, and to Italy, which were approved of by the House in sessions gone by, not all have been spent. I congratulate him upon that. If it has been in his power to prevent the Canadian people from using these credits to a very large extent he deserves thanks from us and I tender thanks to him; but I hope that the amount saved in this direction is not going to be risked in that. Of course the minister will tell us that there is no risk. 'There has never been a man yet who went to a friend to back his promissory note who has not said to him, "Dear Jones, you will never be called upon to meet this note. This note will be met by me at the bank long before it falls due." Now, what does this legislation imply?


Charles Marcil: Qui endosse paie.


Andrew Ross McMaster: Yes; and I. am afraid that if we endorse we will have to be prepared to pay. If this is a good sound banking proposition are not our Canadian banks strong enough to finance the building of a few ships? The very fact that they are not prepared to do it unless the Government endorses the security should'make the Government very careful in the matter. Surely this country has had sufficient experience of endorsing the obligations of other people. As a nation and as various provinces,- except the province I come from,- we

endorsed the bonds of Mackenzie and Mann and of the Canadian Northern Railway system. With what result? We endorsed the bonds of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company. With what result? Have we learned1 nothing from the experience of the past .as to the inadvisability of pledging the country's credit?
But the Government say: "It is for the purpose of giving our workmen employment in the building of ships," That might be a valid argument if our people were standing around the corners looking for work. But what is the real condition of affairs? We need to increase the production of food. Is there a substantial farmer in this country who can get the hired men he .requires?


An hon. MEMBER:: He cannot do it.


Andrew Ross McMaster: 

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but we get none of the profits. In the past I have criticised as strougly as I could the policy of the Government owning and operating ships,, because I do not believe that a Government' department has that necessary flexibility, knowledge and business experience to be able to operate ships; but at least they are our own ships, and-
Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. member
for Brome (Mr. McMaster) understands full well that while the Government own the ships they do not operate them. The ships are being operated by private management just the .same as are the Canadian Pacific1 Railway ships.


Frank S. Cahill: Who owns the private
management?
Mr. M(MASTER.: Let us try and not camouflage the situation. Those who run our ships are creatures of the Government. If these people took the bit in their teeth and did things which he considered unwise, the Minister of Marine and Fisheries would quickly bring them to book, because he is too much of a business man and has too keen a sense of his responsibility to. allow those men to remain in charge a single day longer if he considered they were doing wrong. I do not want to flatly contradict the minister in .any rude or discourteous manner, but I say the people see through that camouflage. The minister, is, in the ultimate analysis, responsible for the operation of these ships,' and when he gets up in this House and swells with justifiable pride that he ha6 made a profit of 51 per cent in operating those ships after everything has been taken care of, his pride is because of the fact that the gratifying result reflects upon his good management, as he contends, of those ships.
But the point I want to make is this. It is bad enough to own and operate ships even though you may .as compensation for running the risk get what profits there are; but to become mortgage creditors of ships without getting one cent of compensation for the risk you run,-that is Government ownership of ships even worse than what we have at present. I trust that the minister will not proceed with such a piece of vicious legislation. It is unfair ion the face of it. Why should a man who wants to buy a 3,000-ton ship be able to get this concession from the Government while the man who wants to buy a 1,000-ton ship is not able to get it? Why shoiuld a fishermen who wants to get a small schooner of 50, 100 or 200 tons



EDITION

Charles Gavan Power: Or a returned soldier fisherman.	*
Mr. McMASTEiR: Yes, a returned soldier fisherman, as suggested to me by the hon. member for Quebec South (iMr. Power), who is always interested in the welfare of the returned soldier-why should he not be able to get such assistance while other people who want larger boats get' this accommodation? I believe that the policy for Canada to adopt is to have every tub stand on its own bottom, and to have every ship float likewise. I am opposed to this legislation, and I trust that it will not be accepted by the House.	'


Frank S. Cahill: I wish also to voice my opposition to this vicious legislation. We are undertaking to do something that no person in Canada outside af a pawn-broker is authorized to do. A banker would not be allowed to take the security that the minister is willing to accept; it would be against the law of the country. A trust company would not be permitted to take the security. No person outside of a pawnbroker could take this security, and we are asked by this Government to reduce the Parliament of Canada to the position of going around backing peoples' notes. It is the most vicious legislation that has ever been presented to this House. It comes right next to the Roumanian loans which were granted a year or two ago, and on which we have not yet received one cent of interest nor one cent of principal. This proposal of the Government to go broadcast throughout the world and back the notes of Tom, Dick and Harry is so absurd that I am surprised that any minister would allow himself to, be inveigled into it by any set of interests. What have we to gain by it? We are told [DOT]that it will mean employment for some [DOT]men. Well, what are we going to do when other interests rap at the door and ask for a guarantee to employ their men? What are we going to do if the farmer asks for this kind of assistance? If he wants to buy a horse, why should you not endorse his note as well as the note of some man who wants to buy a ship? What is to be gained for Canada? Absolutely nothing. Our credit is surely not so good that we can afford to go round endorsing notes at this time. We cannot gain anything; we shall merely increase the cost of living. We tell the returned soldier that we are not in a position to re-establish him by making him a loan on his fishing boat or

fishing nets, but we go to foreign countries and make loans to their citizens in order to enable them to come here and buy ships. Mr. Chairman, this thing is so absurd that when I read the resolution on the Order Paper I wondered whether I was in Parliament or not, but when I remembered some of the Government's past actions I was not surprised. I would not be surprised at anything they might do; they are irresponsible; they represent no one but themselves. If I were permitted to take every member of the Government, down to the elm tree at the gate and hang them to the limbs of that tree, I do not believe it would be possible for you to get a jury of twelve men in this country who would not vote me a bonus.


John Howard Sinclair: I object very strongly to the bringing forward of this resolution at so late a day in the session. I regard it as a breach of faith, in a certain sense, because we were assured a few days ago that all the important legislation had been, brought, down. This is one of the most important measures that has been brought down during the present session. The amount of liability involved is unlimited. We do not say in the resolution that we will build one ship, ten ships or one hundred ships; there is no end to the assistance that the Minister of Marine and the Minister of Finance may give under this resolution. One of the things we will have to do before we go further with this resolution is to place a limit on these gentlemen. They have already invested 870,000,000 of the country's money in ships; whether it is- a good investment remains to be seen. The minister tells us that it is a good investment, hut it will take time to prove that it is. It is noticeable that private enterprise is not coming forward to build ships at the same rate that the minister has been paying for the ships built by the Government. Why is it that private enterprise does not take hold of this matter? Is there no money in Canada? Have the people of this country no money to invest in ships? Is there any man in Canada who will put his money in ships at the rate of $200 a ton for tramp vessels? Will the minister himself do it? Has the Minister of Marine (Mr. Ballantyne) invested one dollar of his own money in a scheme of this kind at these prices? We all know that the prices are extravagant; it is clear to everybody that they cannot last. Shipping is increasing at an enormous rate. The tonnage of the

world is now about as large as it was before the war; it is increasing day by day and it will not be long until it becomes as cheap as it was before the war. A great change will take place within a year or two; a mortgage for a given amount on a ship that is built at $200 a ton to-day may not be worth half as much two or three years hence. No industry is so hazardous as the shipping industry; it will be very difficult for the minister to protect himself against what may happen in this regard.
Now, the principal argument that the Minister of Finance has put forward is with regard to labour. He informs us that a large number of men are employed in the shipyards of this country, and he assumes that if the Government does not come to the rescue of these shipyards and keep them going at these extravagant prices these men will be out of employment. I do not think his argument is sound. My hon. friend (Mr. McMaster) stated the facts correctly when he pointed out that labour was scarce and employment plentiful; that men are wanted in all walks of business. If
25,000	men are now engaged in the shipbuilding industry the other industries are open to them; that is not a good reason why the Government should embark on this extravagant proposal. The minister Will have to present some stronger argument in order to make out a case for the adoption of this resolution. It appears that he intends to deal with foreign buyers, people about whom we know nothing. We know who the shipyard people are, but we do not know who the buyers from outside are. We cannot very well know who they are; they may be men of straw or they may be speculators. We are giving them our money; we are endorsing their notes. It would be much more to the point if we assisted our own people at home. Why has the Government no shipbuilding policy? When the leader of the Government (Sir Robert Borden) ran his election in 1911 he promised the people of Canada a shipbuilding policy, but no such policy has been forthcoming. We have a shipowning policy just now; we own ships at very extravagant prices; but we have no shipbuilding policy, no policy under which the people of this country can themselves embark upon shipbuilding. Surely the building of ships by the Government cannot be characterized as a shipbuilding policy. A national policy is a policy under which the people of Canada are enabled to embark in the business of Canada. But this Government seem to have no ability to frame a 253.J
policy by which the people can embark in the shipbuilding industry. We would all be very glad to see them do it. We want Canada to be a ship-owning country, but those of us who have any idea of business feel that public ownership is not the kind of ownership that will succeed in the shipbuilding industry. I think we have made a mistake in going so far as we have in regard to the matter. I feel pretty sure that if we accept this proposal we will later on have a lot of financial shipwrecks on our hands. I am opposed to this measure and will vote against it.


Onésiphore Turgeon: I wish to place myself on record as absolutely opposed to the proposal made by this resolution. It is only a few hours since we asked Parliament to lend a few hundred thousand dollars to returned soldiers in order that we might get increased production, which is so much needed in this country and throughout the world to-day. We wanted to enable returned men to produce food from the sea as well as from the land-because both these lines of production are equally necessary. I pointed out this afternoon that the production of food from the sea was quite as important as the production of food from the land. This proposal is merely giving protection to a certain class of people or to certain companies who will promise to do the best they can for the returned soldier by giving him employment. At this moment, in the present condition of the world, as it has been so well described by my hon. friend (Mr. McMaster) and other hon. members who have followed him, we know that the cost of shipbuilding is at the highest possible pitch and that in a few years those ships will not be worth fifty per cent of the money that we are undertaking the responsibility of advancing to-day. We want to keep our young men, more particularly, from the cities and keep them on the farms as much as possible. Whenever in this Parliament we ask for advances to assist the producers of the food which is so - much needed throughout the world today, we are told that we had better wait and see what conditions will be like in a few years from -now. The proposition to make advances to soldiers engaged in the fishing industry was, at the advice of the Prime Minister, withdrawn, to the great regret, I am sure, of the mover of that amendment, the hon. member for Skeena (Mr. Peck), the Prime Minister's reason being that, after all, no good results would be achieved this session and that possibly at the next session something might be done

for the returned soldier. I am taking the liberty to-night of 'asking Parliament to accept the advice given by the Prime Minister this afternoon and to allow this -matter to remain until the opening of next session which, we hope, will be not longer than six months from now if the Government is still in power. If the Government is rejected by the people of Canada, by that time the new Parliament will have a new mandate and will act in accordance with the requirements of the people. I am opposed to this bonus in disguise to a few companies which, if they be in earnest should be able to get, from the banks of Canada, the advances necessary for their enterprise. The banks offer credit to almost any enterprise that the industrial people of this country wish to undertake in order to send the products of their industry *to other parts of the world. The banks will do the same thing for the construction of ships, and there is nothing the banks of Canada would be more apt to encourage than the construction of ships on the basis of financial conditions. Therefore, with all the regard which I have for the Minister of Finance (Sir -Henry Drayton), in whose hand's this -resolution has been placed

 placed in his hands, I presume, because he is known to have more of the kind regard of members of the Opposition than, perhaps, other hon. members opposite,-I cannot possibly -accede to his request at the present moment, and I hope a delay will be granted. A delay of six months more will not seriously affect shipping construction in the world to-day. We know that we have enough ships for the next six months to *meet the imperative demands of the commercial world. Therefore, we should wait until next session, until the people of Canada may have time to cogitate over this offer and study the question of their appreciation or disapproval of such -a project. Then, when we come next session with this project, we shall come enlightened by the declaration of public opinion.
Mr. BALL-AjNTYNE :	It is just possible
that hon. members have not quite grasped the statement made by my colleague the Minister of Finance (Sir Henry Drayton). Members of the committee are aware that the Government shipbuilding programme is at an end. We have a proposal submitted to the Government that France, which is badly in need of tonnage, wishes to have millions of dollars worth of ships constructed in our yards. As regards the 50 per cent that the Government are asked to advance, I want to point out, as the Minister

of Finance did, that first of all the buyer gives his note, and the Minister of Finance will see to it that that buyer is financially good. After that note has been taken from the buyer, it is handed to the shipbuilder for his endorsation. We have first of all the buyer's note, secondly, we have the endorsation on the buyer's note of the shipbuilder, and thirdly, the Government have a mortgage for the full amount of the ships that are going to be ordered in Canada. I really do not see that the Government or this Parliament or the country runs any risk whatever in advancing fifty per cent of the money, taking good security in addition to the mortgage on the ships, which mortgage is a first mortgage for the total amount of the note. -The Minister of Finance and your humble servant will see to it that the buyer is financially good; that the shipbuilder to whom the contracts are going to be given, is financially good. With a good note from a financially sound buyer, that note being endorsed by financially strong Canadian shipbuilders, and with a mortgage on the full value of the ship, I should like hon. members to,tell me what risk the Government of Canada runs in advancing fifty per cent of the construction cost. If we wait until six months from now, as my hon. friend (Mr. Turgeon) has suggested, that would be too late. The shipbuilding industry of Canada has no protection whatever. 'Canadians have demonstrated that they can build ships equally as good as are built in the United ' Kingdom can and at as low a cost. I will admit, when the tonnage of the world becomes more evened up than it is now, the cost of shipbuilding is bound to go down; but I for one do not for one moment admit that we shall ever see steel ships built again for 850 a ton. I doufot very much if we shall ever see them built for $90 a ton as the hon. member for Brome (Mr. Mc-Master) has suggested. But even so: the average contract price of these ships would probably run from $170 to $175 a ton; and supposing ships went down to half that value,' .the Government has :a mortgage-on the full amount of the ships. If I were going back into business and did happen to be a member of the Government, as I am at this moment, and that was put up to me as a business proposition, not only would I accept it, but I would recommend it to my board of directors. It is a sound, clean-cut business proposition to bring into this country millions of dollars, to keep our seventeen yards in Canada busy for two or three years, and to keep employed
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50,000	skilled Canadian workmen, a very large percentage of whom are returned soldiers. I have no hesitation whatever in endorsing fully the views of my colleague, the Minister of Finance and also the resolution that is now before the committee.
Mr. MeMAST.ER:	To what extent is it
contemplated that endorsement should be made?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: That is a very difficult matter to state. My opinion is that the Government would not be called upon to advance on a fifty-fifty basis any more than $25,000,000 or $30,000,000 at the outside, covering a period of, say, three years.


John Howard Sinclair: Has
the minister considered where he is going to get the money from?


Mr. CRERAR:: This resolution, I take
it, disposes of the suggestion we have seen in the newspapers from time to time that the Government might embark on some policy of subsidizing shipbuilding in this country. That policy would be, in my judgment, absolutely bad, and the policy proposed by the Minister of Finance in this resolution does not fall very far short of the other so far as its badness and unsoundness is concerned. I am opposed to the proposal embodied in this resolution. It is true that we are not handing over to shipbuilding concerns sums of money in actual cash by way of subsidy. What we are doing is pledging the credit of Canada to assist in the building of these ships. My hon. friend the Minister of Marine argues that there is no risk in it. He states that he and the Minister of Finance, who would have to do with the matter, will see to it that only purchasers and builders who are sound financially will come in under this scheme. I ask my hon. friend, if the purchaser is sound financially, and if the builder is sound financially why is it necessary to ask the Government to give this assistance? If they cannot finance the construction themselves, if they have not the ready capital to put into it, why cannot they take their notes to the banks and raise the necessary money? The very fact that the Government are asked to endorse these notes constitutes an element of doubt. It is an old story we have heard to-night as to there being no risk in the transaction. We have had railroads built in this country, and the arguments were advanced at that time that there was no risk in the Government guaranteeing the bonds of these railways,
that the railways were sure to pay and that they would furnish employment to labour. The same arguments that were advanced in favour of guaranteeing the bonds of the railways have been advanced in support of this proposal to-night. Every one knows the result of our guaranteeing the bonds of these railways. The enterprises have fallen down and the country has had to step in and make good its guarantees on the bonds. With the burden of debt that rests on this country, with our financial commitments away beyond what any one would have dreamt of six years ago, is it wise at the present time for us to contemplate any increase in the indirect liabilities of this country? I do not think' it is.
Again, there is a substantial argument against this proposal on the ground that it is a discrimination. Why should shipbuilders and ship purchasers from foreign countries be entitled to this assistance? Are the Government adopting this as a permanent policy? If they are prepared to give assistance to the purchasers of ships by endorsing their notes so that they can get the money they require, are they prepared to give this assistance also to other industrial enterprises that want to set up in business and give employment to labour? I would like the Minister of Finance to answer that question. I say that we cannot afford to -exercise discrimination of this kind If I want to build a pulp mill and have only a certain amount of money and I come to the Government and ask them to endorse my notes in order that I may secure the necessary funds to build the mill, will the Government assist me as they propose to assist these purchasers of ships? Will they give the same assistance to other industries? I say that the country has no right to embark on a policy of that kind particularly in the present state of our Finances.


Mr. TWBEDIE:: Did not the Farmers'
Co-operative Elevator Company in the province of Alberta get all their credit from the Government of that province?


Thomas Alexander Crerar: My hon. friend is not
very familiar with the history of that enterprise.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: I am perfectly familiar with if.
Mr. -CRERAR:	I still submit that my
hon. friend does not know what he is talk-

ing about when he makes that statement, and I will tell him why. When these elevators were built there was more than sufficient capital stock subscribed to pay their whole cost, and 20 per cent
12 m. of it had to be paid up. The Government held1 not only a mortgage on the elevators for the advances it gave, but also the subscribed stock. They were 200 per cent secured on the enterprise. My hon. friend surely cannot be serious when he makes the statement that this is a similar enterprise. I say again that this proposal is a discrimination, and I want to know, and I think the House and the country are entitled to know, whether this is the settled policy of the Government. Is the Government willing to give this assistance to other enterprises? I think that is a fair and a reasonable question to ask the Minister of Finance. We cannot have too much regard for the financial condition of this country at the present time. I say that our policy should be retrenchment, and again retrenchment, in this country. We should bring our expenditure within our income, nationally, and we must make headway in reducing the national debt. I say that faced with that debt, it is not a sound policy to add to the indirect liability of this country by the $25,000,000 or $30,000,000 which the Minister of Marine 'and Fisheries says will probably be involved in this proposal. I submit that it is not a sound policy for this country to embark upon.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: I happened to be in the legislature of Alberta at the time the Act authorizing the loan to the Farmers' Co-Operative Elevator Company in that province was passed. The Farmers' Co-Operative Elevator Company came to the Government, got their credit, and got their money, and the credit of the province of Alberta is being used for that particular industry in that particular province at this particular time. If you go into he province of Saskatchewan yau will find that the credit of that province was also used in connection with the elevators there. If my hon. friend will look over the history of the western provinces during the last few years, he will find that this Federal Government was the one Government in the Dominion of Canada which advanced loans for the purchase of seed grain by the farmers of the West. So far as the transportation of the products of Western Canada are concerned, I think it is the duty of this Government to establish a mercantile marine under our own control, so that we shall not be dependent upon the shipping of any other part of the

Empire, or of any foreign country. I think if this Government is to be congratulated upon anything, it is that they are willing to render assistance for the purpose for which this resolution is introduced.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: The situation is wholly
different between this proposal and the proposals for giving assistance in the building of elevators in the provinces of Alberta and 'Saskatchewan. Bet me repeat, in those provinces the Government had not only the elevators as security, but they had the subscribed stock that was unpaid, for more than the whole cost of the enterprise. My hon. friend's argument falls down in another particular. He asks, is not this a good policy to assist in building up a mercantile marine which will be able to carry our western grain? But who will the ships be built for? The Minister of Marine and Fisheries says they will be built for the French Government. What this Government is really doing is assisting foreign countries to build ships which will be used in competition with our own mercantile marine.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: Does not my hon. friend admit that the Farmers' Co-Operative Elevator Company in the province of Alberta went to the Government of that province and got legislation passed enabling them to get money on the strength of the credit of the province of Alberta? He contradicted me a minute ago and said it was not so.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: I did not.
Mr. TWIEEDIEi I was in the legislature when the legislation wlas passed.


Thomas Alexander Crerar: The Government did give them assistance.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: That was simply my point.
Glome hon. MEMBERS: Carried.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: I want to emphasize that point,


The CHAIRMAN:: I am sorry that I must call the hon. member (IMr. Tweedie) to order. We are not discussing what took place in Alberta in connection with elevators.


Thomas Mitchell March Tweedie: I shall not depart from your ruling, Mr. Chairman, in the slighest. What we are discussing is the advisability of this Government rendering assistance to any industry, and as a reason for considering whether we should grant that assistance or not it was submitted that no other similar class of industry had received sup-

port from any government. I pointed out that the very industry with which the hon. member for Marquette was connected and the company oif which he was manager endeavoured to get control of all these elevators and received government support both in the provinces of Saskatchewan and Alberta.


Hon. Mr. FIELDING:: Coming as I do from the Maritime Provinces, I would be expected to be one who would be warmly , interested in all forms of maritime enterprise. I represent a shipbuilding constituency. 1 am in a larger degree than perhaps some hon. gentlemen around me in sympathy with the efforts that the Minister of Marine has made in regard to giving us a fleet of Canadian ships. I would like it if I could support the present proposition. But'I am bound to say that I think it has not been well prepared, that it is a hastily devised piece of legislation and that the Government would be wise if they would take a few months more to consider it. It is a hastily devised piece of legislation because it is not many days since the Prime Minister informed us that we would have no more important legislation presented to the House. That is the best evidence that it has been prepared hurriedly tta meet some alleged emergency. It was under circumstances of this kind that the Government, in the last stages of last session, brought forward the Board of Commerce Bill and passed it. Nobody understood it or what would be the result of it; nobody knows what good it has accomplished up to this time or what good it is likely to be in the future. This legislation is prepared in a hurry-scurry way. I would frankly say that that I have not had an opportunity of considering it at any great length and I do not believe other members of the House have had opportunity. We have had a bare quorum ion the Government side of the House for most of the evening, many members are absent and a great many others have probably gone home. At all events we have a very slim House to take up at this late hour such a very large and important measure.
There are a number of the details of the measure that strike me as being rather odd but possibly they may be amended. In so far as the object of the Bill is to encourage ship building, and to give employment to people, it commends itself to me, but I see some difficulties in the way. The aid that is to be granted is to be in the form of a guarantee. I do not like guarantees. We
have given guarantees to some railway companies. I hiave always objected to guarantees, although in the case of different railway enterprises they seemed -to be inevitable and I must take my share of responsibility for some of those guarantees. But if this is something that the Government must assist, I for one would rather lend the money outright than see the Government get mixed up with notes. To have the notes of shipbuilders guaranteed by the Dominion Government floating around in this way seems to be a rather undignified proceeding and I would rather lend them the money outright.
I notice that a ship, to be able to take advantage of this legislation must be of
3,000	tons. I represent' a shipbuilding community where they build vessels very much less than 3,000 tons, and I have no doubt many excellent workmen might say: "If the Government is assisting somebody in France to build a ship of 3,000 tons why can it not assist somebody in France to build a ship of 1,000 tons or 2,000 tons 6uch as we can build in Nova Scotia?" This Bill seems clearly to imply that its application will be limited to steel shipbuilding although it is not so expressed. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if it contemplates the recognition of wooden shipbuilding as well.
Sir HENRY D'RAYTON: No, steel only.


William Stevens Fielding: That is going to confine the operations of the Bill to a limited number of shipyards in the country. I do not undervalue these shipyards; I am glad we have them, and I wish them all success and prosperity. But there are hundreds of shipyards scattered over Nova Scotia and New Brunswick that will not get any benefit whatever from this Bill, and those concerned with these enterprises are very likely to ask the same question as that which has been asked by the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar). If this Bill passes in its present shape the Government can carry it on forever and guarantee as much money as it pleases. There is no limit as to the time and there is no limit to the amount which is to be guaranteed. These are both certainly very serious objections. Then I notice that while it is provided that ships are to be insured, nothing is said as to who is to do the insuring, whether the Government or the owners. I take it for granted that when my hon. friend's attention has been drawn to this fact he will see that it is made clear; but there is nothing said as

to who is to do the insuring. Another point is that the notes are to run for four or five years. Is there any provision for renewing them? Still another point is that although we are to get our money back we are not to get any interest. As I read the Bill all we can claim is that we get back the amount that we have given in the shape of our endorsement. We have given our endorsement, we have given our credit, but we are not going to get back any interest if any of these notes should be in default-because I do not see any provision for the payment of interest. If the notes are taken up the purchaser pays the interest and we are protected; but if the notes should fall into the hands of the Government by default I see no provision by which the Government can get back interest. All they get back is the principal sum. There are many of these small details that one might bring to the attention of the Government. But in addition to that the general ground might be taken that at this very late stage in the session it would be utterly impossible for the Government to give the time that should be given to such an important measure as this. It is still more impossible for this Parliament to give it the consideration that ,its importance demands. I trust that the Government will try to find some other means of aiding the shipbuilding industry even if they have to take another session to do it.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Ihave.no quarrel with some of the remarks of hon. gentlemen across the way.. The only thing I complain about is that they have not grasped what we are trying to do. Take the position of the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar). H says this is discrimination; that the same thing would not be done for another industry. Well, it is discrimination. We have put up in credits over $400,000,000 for the removal and sale of farm products to the extent of one hundred per cent. Of course that is discrimination. It was done and there was no mistake-I do not think the hon. member for Marquette will say it was a mistake; he will say that it was a good thing that Canada kept functioning, it was a good thing that we kept going, it was a good thing that there was a market retained for our farmers.
' If it was a bad thing to have a market for our farmers, if it was a bad thing to allow the farmers to produce and be able to sell their products then it was a mistake, but the hon. member for Marquette will not say so. It is discrimination forsooth, because we -are doing something which I

do not think we have ever tried to do be-r fore. That is to see that no one gets anything out of this until we -get our money. With respect to the blanket mortgage that the hon. member for Shelburne and Queen's (Mr. Fielding) has referred to in connection with a railroad, of course there is a great deal of distinction there. They get their mortgage, they get their money, they have the whole thing open, and we assume the responsibility and the liability. Take the case the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) speaks of when he say3 that the cost Of boat building is coming down. I think he is right to this extent- I think the cost of boat building will be coming down. But the hon. member says the prices to-day are high. He puts the -price at $180 a ton. I am not quarrelling with that at all. But he say-s that price will ibe cut in two, and if it is cut in two "your whole equity is gone." But we are not dealing in the equity, we are dealing in the mortgage.
Mr. MoMASTER: But you have no margin left.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Talking about equity, it is the other man that is cut out and the -country iB left there with its security which my learned friend himself says is equal to the whole amount of our debt. So far as interest is concerned, as I say, we are only endorsers. The hon. member for Shelburne and Queen's asks, "What is going to happen, if we have to make good?" Well, the only thing that will happen if we have to make good is that we foreclose -that ib all-and we are entitled to our interest -on the overdue debt just as much as any overdue debt is entitled to interest on it. In other words, from the very moment (that we have to put up any money our interest accrues.


Charles Marcil: I heard some mention of a splendid order coming from France. Has there been any idea of getting the French Government to endorse any of these notes to secure the Canadian Government in the guarantees it is going to give?


Henry Lumley Drayton: The proposition at one time was that the French Government would put up Fxenoh Government bonds. A .further proposition has been that some of the best banks in France would put up their obligations. The whole difficulty has been merely one o-f exchange.
There is one thing I should mention: When we come to the discussion of the Bill

to be founded on this resolution, if it is approved, I am going to propose limitations both as to the amount of the risk to be taken and also as to the time of the operation of the Bill. It is not intended that this legislation should allow any new industry to be built up, it is not intended to start any new yards; it is merely intended to see, if we possibly can, that a very large number of very estimable Canadian workmen are not thrown out of employment. It just so happens that there are still skilled men, it just so happens that they are accustomed to this kind of work, it just so happens that during the present period of shipbuilding they have learned this trade, and we want to so provide that they will continue Ito receive employment.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Probably nothing can be added from this side of the House to what has already (been said, but I think it is right to oppose this measure. I think the measure is bad business, I think it is absolutely unsound, I do not think that there is any principle of business upon which it can be justified. Therefore such legislation should never have been brought into this House, much less brought in at this late hour of the session. We were very willing to take a hand, and hurry along and. get through with the original business of the House that had been before us for weeks and months. Now, at this very stage, when we have already practically wound up the business of the session, this new proposal is brought in. It is absolutely new-I have never heard of anything like it in Canada before; that the Government of this country should begin to endorse notes for somebody. If I went home to-morrow, took the hustings, and began telling the people that this Government at Ottawa are undertaking to endorse the notes of somebody they do not know-if they do know they will not tell us-and are going to put up thirty millions of money (according to the Minister of Marine the obligation may go to thirty millions) endorsing the notes of this man, nobody would believe me. The people would say, "You are insane. (Nobody on earth would do a thing like that." Here we are face to face with the Government to-night, with the Minister of Finance at its head, and he will not tell us whose note he has in his pocket. It is in blank I suppose; I do not know whether there is even a two-cent stamp on it; but I assure my hon. friend that though he endorses it himself I would hesitate to give him the stamp to put on it. In all
seriousness, Mr. Chairman, I want to know to whom the people of this country are going to turn for protection. Surely the Canadian people who send us here have a right to know the facts. I appeal to men sitting in this House-men that are sane, are serious, and understand business principles. We are told that there is no money to spare, that we are in debt, we are shcrt and cannot meet our bills. When any person comes to Parliament looking for money for the returned soldiers in any shape whatsoever, the ex-Minister of Finance (Sir Thomas White), is called to stand up to rebutt their claim. The Government would not be satisfied with any less important witness. They called that hon. gentleman to the stand, and, under the solemnity of an oath, he told the special committee that were dealing with the matter, and told the people of this country, that it was absolutely out of the question to think oc spending any money on the returned soldiers because we did not have it. Not only was Sir Thomas White called to the stand, but so were the Deputy Minister of Finance and every other man whose word was worth having. And the conclusion the committee drew from that evidence was that no matter how kindly we felt towards the returned soldier, no matter how much we would like to help him and his family, and put him on the highway to success, we did not have the money with which to do it. And, as has been said to-day-I think by the Prime Minister himself-we must cut our coat according to our cloth. Now we have come to a position when the coat and the cloth are any size whatever and there are no limitations of any kind. I want to ask the Minister of Marine-who is a business man and who seems to have a hobby in the shipbuilding business: If shipbuilding will not stand upon its own bottom to-day when is it going to do so? The prices for shipbuilding are at the top notch. Shipbuilding is in ia better condition to-day than it will be five years, or seven years from now. The minister says the people concerned are of good financial standing they are men of high credit, they, are men with respect to whom simply as a matter of form-for the purposes of identification I suppose-the minister has placed his name on the back of the note. That is all. Well, if they are such good business men, if they need this assistance in a prosperous time for shipbuilding like the present, what is going to happen when the prices of ships come tumbling about their ears? What becomes of our mortgage and of our security? We

should make up our minds to stay here all night, all day to-morrow, and every day this week, to stand at the door of the treasury of this country, and defend it against the most outrageous onslaught that was ever made upon it.
It stands without parallel. We have had to go into debt to the tune of $75,000,000 to embark in the shipbuilding business, and now we have become so hilarious that we are willing to endorse our competitor's securities. We say to him, "Why, this is easy. We are doing splendidly. We made $5,000,000 last year. Certainly we did not allow anything for depreciation, but we had new ships and we made 5J per cent. Come along, Sir. You have no money, but we will endorse your paper." That is the temporary intoxication in which the Minister of Marine and Fisheries finds himself, and he drags along with him the new Minister of Finance, who really has very little knowledge of what is going on. We are asked to walk home at this hour of the night and let those honest gentlemen get their hands deep into the Treasury. We stand here possibly "like a voice crying in the wilderness," for we are not in a majority; but it is our duty to raise our feeble voice against this unbusinesslike proposition.
The facts of the case 'have been presented to hon. members and to the Government. What more can we do? But we do say, hon. gentlemen, that we will remember these things, that we will tell the people about them, and that if the Government turn us down because they have a majority and take this money contrary to every principle of good business', we will "appeal to Caesar." We will tell the returned soldier and his widow, and bis children, "This refusal of money to you was a mere camouflage. The very night that they turned down your proposition they voted $30,000,000 to some unknown Dago from across the Atlantic to build ships." Anybody can build ships if we furnish the money. Anybody apparently can get the Minister of Finance to endorse a blank note, with a bad stamp on the corner of it, and then build ships and sell them, and if he has anything left over so much the better; If he has not he has lost nothing. I shall have no hesitation in telling this to the people because we have no evidence to the contrary.
I ask those members older than the ministers who are facing us to-night if ever they heard of a $30,000,000 proposition being submitted to any Parliament, much less to

this Parliament, on such bareboned, meagre information as has been furnished to us to-night? I appeal to hon. gentlemen opposite for their own sakes to have some respect for this House and to let us have a breathing spell at least to find out something about this thing before they attempt to force' down our throats such an unbusinesslike proposition.


Mr. GOULD:: Mr. Chairman, it was not my intention to take part in this discussion, but this question has worked upon me to such an extent that I feel it my duty to declare myself as unalterably opposed to it. The hon. Minister of Finance, likewise the h'on. Minister of Marine and Fisheries told the House that they did not think we grasped the idea; but if any one is deceived I think it is the hon. gentlemen themselves. It is not my policy to endeavour to wilfully stall any legislation, but I would ask: What public sentiment has been presented to this Government to launch this proposal? Or are they, in a spirit of autocracy, taking it upon themselves to present this proposal as a policy good for the Dominion? I am sure that if the people were allowed to stand here to-night and declare their opinion upon this policy, they would condemn it wholeheartedly, and they would condemn also the members who advocate it. I am sure that at this time the people are not willing that their credit should be pledged any further until their own financial conditions have been brought nearer to the point where they can understand and 'handle them.
We have been asked to advance money before, but this proposal is far and away removed from any similar proposal that has been heretofore discussed in this House. I listened to the plea of the Minister of Finance when he was presenting his Budget to this House and showing why he ought to have more revenue through the medium of luxury taxes and other taxes. But I did not think when we were trying to discover ways and means of raising that revenue that the credit of this country was to be used in the manner suggested here to-night.
The argument has been advanced that this proposal will provide labour for some thousands of men. A few weeks ago a modest request was made by me to have a few miles of railway built in my constituency, and I was told that the labour for that work could not be secured. Now we see how the argument is being used when it suits the purpose of this Government, for to-night they say that all kinds of labour is available

for certain things. I like consistency, but I fail to see any in such an argument. I wish to particularly endorse, the sentiments expressed by the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) and to place myself on record as opposed to this resolution.


William Duff: The Minister of Finance in his first statement told us that some 23,500 were employed in these shipyards. Is that the total number of men employed in steel and wooden shipyards, or in steel shipyards only?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: In steel shipyards only.


William Duff: We were also advised that a. great many of those men were returned soldiers. I would like to know what proportion.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: I can only give to the hon. member the information that has been furnished to me by the shipbuilders. They state that about 25 per cent of the 23,500 men are returned soldiers. I might be allowed to add that great pressure has been brought to bear upon the Government by returned soldiers to do something to keep shipbuilding going.


William Duff: 
Hugh Boulton Morphy: Would the hon. gentleman be in favour of this proposal if it extended to wooden ships?


William Duff: I have said that we ought
to have further time to consider this resolution. I am not in a position to give a decided answer whether I am in favour of it or not, but I certainly am opposed to the resolution as it reads now. There is discrimination in this resolution between the different shipbuilding industries, and that is not a good policy for this Government to pursue. They ought to adopt a permanent policy which would treat all shipyards alike. There are 23,500 men engaged in the steel shipbuilding industry, and perhaps another 25,000 men engaged in other industries connected with shipbuilding. Moreover, in the wooden shipbuilding business on the Pacific and Atlantic coasts an additional 5f),000 men are employed in the yards, in cutting timber, in making sails, and in doing other work in connection with the building of ships. It is not fair to pick out one class of shipyards and accord to them different treatment from that accorded to others.
In Nova Scotia we have been building during the past six months vessels for French account-that is, vessels which were ordered or contracted for by French buyers and which have been taken delivery of, or


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


William Duff: Just for that, this resolution will not carry for two hours. I am willing to stay here all night, and if hon. gentlemen opposite do not wish to listen to this discussion, they can go outside somewhere or try to behave themselves. They cannot get legislation through by calling "carried", and we are not going to be bluffed by any hon. member opposite. The resolution reads:
That it is expedient to bring in a measure to provide that in any case where a person (hereinafter called the "purchaser") has entered into a contract with a shipbuilder for the building in Canada of a vessel of not less than three thousand tons.
As my hon. friend (IMr. Fielding) said, this portion of the resolution is certainly not well drafted, and the Government should seriously consider the advisability of amendr ing it so as to cover vessels of any size which any shipbuilder may build. Under all the circumstances, the Minister of Finance, in fairness to the members of this committee and to the country, should not press this resolution to-night. A delay of a day or two will not make any difference, and although I, and other members of the House, have mac|e plans with the idea of getting through the business of this House the latter part of this week or early next week, if the Minister of Finance will leave this *matter over I am willing to stay here all next week in order that hon. members may have an opportunity of studying and properly digesting this resolution. But, under present conditions, II cannot support the resolution, and I do not think it is in the interest of the country that the resolution should go through.


Jacques Bureau: There are two sides to every question. I have, perhaps, had occasion to look into this question more than some of my hon. friends, because it was my privilege to form part of delegations that came to interview the Government about getting subsidies to maintain shipbuilding in Canada. I think it was during last summer that delegates from fourteen yards out of the seventeen came here and gave the Government facts and figures. They showed that from forty to fifty million dollars were invested in shipyards in Canada, and that under present conditions of exchange with various countries and present conditions of traffic in this country, unless a bonus or subsidy was given per ton deadweight, or, l think, per horse-power, the shipyards would have to close. In the riding which it is my privilege to represent, there are two shipyards and they have never lacked work. One of them has always taken contracts from foreign countries. To-day, they have contracts, and they can have contracts for thousands of tons of shipping, but the difficulty is that the purchasers of the ships will have to pay five or six times the price of a ship if they place orders in Canada, on account of the depreciation of the currency. France offered those shipbuilders contracts provided the shipbuilders would give France time so as to give an opportunity to the currency to recuperate. This is the obstacle which stands in the way to-day. The Frenchman does not want to pay five times the price, as at the present rate a ship of 7,200 tons would cost over a million dollars. I may say, en passant, that all the contracts which I have had occasion to see-and I have seen six or seven from the Three Rivers shipyards- were at $170 a ton, payable in American currency. That means for the Frenchman a depreciation of about 22 francs to the dollar instead of five. Those people say: We will give you the contract; but on the other hand, as you are getting the benefit of the labour and we are paying you your money, you should extend us a line of credit of 50 per cent so as to give our currency an opportunity to recover and so as not to ruin us. Otherwise, they would have to pay $4,000,000 for a ship worth $1,000,000. This is being done for the purpose of maintaining in this country an industry which will shortly be in a position to compete with the same industry in any other part of the world. We must not forget that our shipbuilding industry is new; that at the start it cost more in Canada to build a ship, because our workmen were not

skilled and the yards were not as well equipped as they are to-day. There are forty or fifty million dollars that will cease producing in this country, that will be a dead loss to the owners because shipbuilding will have to cease, unless we get further contracts, the Government having completed their shipbuilding programme. My friends may think a better way would be to loan the money. That is a matter of opinion. The main point is this: Are we going to let the shipbuilding business in Canada go to the wall? If the answer is in the negative, I say that we have to provide some means of keeping these shipyards going. If our dollar was ,at par in the different countries of the world, thp shipyards of this country w'ould not require a solitary cent from any one in order to carry on. I have talked this matter over with bankers and they state that in view of the large advances that will be required to enable the shipyards to carry out their orders, and in view of the crop which will soon have to be moved-and which, from all signs, is going to be abundant-they haven't the money to advance. The Minister of Finance has said that this proposal will involve from $20,000,000 to S30.no0.000. Bankers in our oart. of the country with whom I have discussed this matter say that it would be too great an obligation for the banks to assume at this time.
It would be no better for us to make a loan. In the present case we have the note of the purchaser, and the Government reserves to itself the right to ascertain his financial condition. If it is not good the Government will not endorse his note. If his credit is good, the Government say: We want to help you along, we will give The adverse exchange a chance to rectify itself, and in the meantime we will enable you to carry on. These people will be able to repay the loan, but they would not be able to pay five times that amount, which is what they would have to pay if they went ahead by themselves at the present rates of exchange. I am sorry to part with my friends, but I am going to support this ' resolution, because from the bottom of my heart I am satisfied that it is absolutely necessary to enable our yards to carry on.
I think it is in the public interest that these men who have become efficient in this kind of work should maintain the shipbuilding industry in Canada. It might be said that I am favouring this resolution because there are shipyards in my riding. Yes, there are, and they have enabled me to ascertain

the conditions in the industry and form an opinion, and I have expressed my honest opinion as I view the matter. I regret that we cannot all see eye to eye on this matter, but I am going to support the resolution as I believe it is in the public interest. If there is anything deficient in the wording of the resolution, we can suggest improvements. If my friends think it would be well to set a limit on the time or the amount, we can discuss that when the Bill comes down. From my own knowledge 1 know that the need is pressing and that .aid should be given at once. Otherwise, a calamity might hit our country through the shipyards being unable to carry on.


Frank S. Cahill: There is no man in this House. I would hate to oppose more than my hon. friend (Mr. Bureau), but I am absolutely opposed to the principle of this resolution. The principle is wrong. The Government have made no attempt to explain where they got the idea of this principle of guaranteeing the notes of people outside the country, or inside the country for that matter. Where is there a precedent for it?


Henry Lumley Drayton: There are lots of precedents. I will give my hon. friend one that he is fond of, because I know he supports everything from the West. I would refer him to chapter 13 of the statutes of 1913 of the province of Alberta.	.


Frank S. Cahill: I am speaking of a nation, not of a province, or a town, or a village.


Henry Lumley Drayton: My hon. friend wanted a' precedent. Section 31 of the Act I have just cited reads:
The Lieutenant Governor in Council is hereby authorized from time to time and on such terms and conditions as may be agreed on with the company to loan to the company for the purpose of aiding- in the acquisition, erection, extension or remodelling of any elevator or elevators a sum not to exceed eighty-five per cent of the estimated cost of the said elevator or elevators or of such extension or remodelling.


Frank S. Cahill: That is all right for a
province. No, it is not right for anybody, but it is a different matter entirely in the case of a province or a town. I remember reading that when Sir John Macdonald was in Washington when the negotiations on the treaty of 1871 were being carried on, when the American plenipotentiary wanted him to take a cash payment in lieu of the fishery rights of Canada, he refused. After

discussing it for several days he finally suggested that the difficulty might be overcome if the British Government would guarantee the bonds of a railway in Canada. The plenipotentiary of Great Britain of that day, without hesitation said, "No, Great Britain will not guarantee the bonds of a railway in Canada. I tell you at once, it is impossible." I think Gladstone was in power at that time, and he said the proposal could not be - considered. They (did discuss, however, giving a cash bonus or a loan, but they would not consider guaranteeing the bonds of a railway. He was able to decide that right off because he knew his people and the condition un-
1 a.m. der which they were living.
He knew that the principles of Government of that day would not permit any such thing. Surely the principles of this country will not permit this sort of thing. Where are you going to stop if you give to the Government power to endorse the notes of these people? It is the most outrageous and unreasonable and vicious thing I ever heard of. The Government have no right, in the first place, to juggle with the credit of the Dominion of Canada. When we were asked to vote credits to Boumania and Greece and other countries I opposed the principle then, because I thought the principle was Wrong. I think every member of this House believed it to be wrong at that time, but the Minister of Finance of that day said that the people of Roumania and Greece were crying out for food and that we had to extend these credits to supply them with food and clothing. On the grounds of philanthropy, one might be induced to make a loan to a nation even if you never expect to get the money back, and I never expected that we would in that case, but to endorse notes promiscuously is so foreign to anything a government should do that I am surprised that any serious minded man would consider it for a moment.
Mr. CASGB.AIN: It's a brokers' business.


Frank S. Cahill: It is not even a brokers' business. Certainly it is no business for a government or for Parliament. What guarantee have we that if this principle is adopted the Government will not he endorsing the notes of some other people engaged in different industries to-morrow?


Herbert John Mackie: What would the hon. gentleman say if he was told the
United States was doing what it is proposed Canada should do?
Mr. 'CAHILL: I would say that it is their business. Even if the United States is doing it, they are in a position to do it. Their money is at par in every country in the world, and above par in a great many countries. Outside of Spain, Japan is the only country in the world where the American dollar is not at par. It was at par in Japan but it is below par there now. The United States is the only country in the world that is on a gold basis possibly with the exception of one or two of the smaller nations. It would be in a position to lend credit or money, but it is not doing it. It has refused to grant any more credits as a government. It is in a better position to do it than we are with our heavy debt and enormous taxes. It was had enough foT the miniate' to come down with his Budget the other day out of which he expects to get money enough* to pay the deficits on our railways. Now he proposes to put an additional burden on the people. Every guarantee you give simply increases the cost of living. There can be no riches produced except those which are produced from the soil, the mine, and from labour which is profitable. If you employ men at something that is unprofitable your labour is wasted. Why try to bolster up any business or industry for which the country is not adapted? If a nation is not able to carry the burden of an industry that is not adapted to it should you not let that industry come to an end? This nation is not in a position, in the face of our debt, to carry on the shipbuilding business on a wholesale scale like some of the European nations, and especially Great Britain. It is a question of trade and you have to do some trading to get something back. You can only trade to the extent of your production, and if y<*u attempt to bolster up a failing industry you are only leading up to a situation which will be worse than it is to-doy and the country will oe in a much graver position than it is at the present time. The people will suffer be' cause they will have to carry the burden. Why should you make loans to, or endorse the notes of, foreigners to buy ships in Canada to compete with our own fleet of ships? It seems to me that the Government has absolutely ignored that argument. I cannot understand why they should insist on bringing in a measure of this kind.
Mr. duTREMBLAY:	These contracts
are taken in France and will be submitted to the Minister of Marine. He is not

obliged to accept a contract if it is not properly carried out. A firm of shipbuilders in France or Spain which would he in a position to give a contract for two or three ships at a cost of $3,000,000 or $4,000,000, will be composed of people who are well known all over the world. If such a contract is given it would be very easy for the Government to find out whether this firm were responsible for the note that they give to the Government. There is also a .question as to the extent to which the mortgage is to be taken by the Government. If I understand the position the Government will not make an advance that will be more than fifty per cent of the value of the contract. Will this contract be a business proposition? The usual cost of a boat is about $1,200,000. Before the Government will be called upon to make any advance they will send some of their architects to the shipyard to find out the progress that, has been made on the work and by that time the shipbuilders from France will have paid to the shipyards in Canada about twenty per cent of the cost of the ship or about $240,000. iCan we suppose that responsible people would pay to a shipyard in this country $240,000 and not continue to make other payments in order that they might receive the ship? It seems to me that Is not possible, as a business matter, that such a firm will not go on with the contract.
This shipbuilding industry was started during the war and there is about $50,000,000 invested in plant in this country. The shipbuilding programme of the Government is about completed, and if we do not receive these contracts -from France and other countries shipyards will have to close. Some of them are nearly closed at the present time. They, have requested the Government for help asking that these companies be subsidized or bon-used to the extent of $15 a ton. The Government has refused to comply with this demand. There is $50,000,000 invested in this industry and there are 25,000 men actually efnployed in these yards and another 25,000 indirectly employed. Everything that goes into a ship can be made in Canada, including the engines and furniture. Is it reasonable when these men have put so much capital in this industry to tell them to-day. "We wall close your doors"? We have been speaking of reconstruction and we must put the country on a good business basis in order that business may be able to meet our requirements. Is this not an important act of reconstruction? Here is a new industry which, if we are able with some little help to make

it permanent, will employ in the future thousands of men and will bring millions of dollars into the country.
I was Speaking, Mr. Chairman, to some men interested in these shipyards and they were telling me that to-day there is the prospect of sufficient contracts to occupy all the shipyards in this country for five years to come. That means hundreds of millions of dollars for this country. The Government will not be responsible and will not be called upon to pay a cent. I do not think the Government are very liberal in their proposition. These shipyard owners went so far as to ask for advances to the extent of 75 per cent to help them finance the work of construction. It is only to aid them in building these ships that this proposition is submitted to Parliament. There is not a bank to-day that is able to finance such an extensive programme as the French Government have submitted to this country. Shall we refuse this opportunity?
This proposition is not a new one. We have protection in connection with the industries of the country, and when we pay customs duties we are paying for that protection. We also give bonuses to certain industries. The Government of the country are elected in order to carry on the country's affairs and it is part of their duty to help to maintain Canadian industries. The farmers should make no complaint; they have been receiving aid for years past, and I am very glad of the fact. In some cases when their crops have failed advances have been made by the Government to help them to tide over the difficulty. The Government have also made loans to farmers. That kind of thing has been done ever since I have had the honour of being a member of the House. I have often been called upon to vote in favour of loaning money to the farmers in the West. Nobody complained because it was thought to be only fair to help that class of the population. Taking all the circumstances into consideration I think it is only fair to help this particular industry, which will contribute so greatly toward the further development of Canada.


John Howard Sinclair: I would like to get from the minister some information with respect to the last clause of the resolution, which reads as follows:
Provided that if the vessel is being built for an alien, and the provisions above mentioned with respect to mortgaging the vessel cannot conveniently be complied with, such security for the amount of the said promissory notes endorsed by the Minister of Finance shall be furnished by the purchaser as may be approved by the Governor in Council.

Now there is an "it" in this clause. It has been made clear to the committee that the resolution is intended to find money not for the citizens of Canada or for British subjects. That has been demonstrated by the discussion which has already taken place. Therefore all that part of the resolution which precedes this is of small importance, it is merely a matter of form, and the essence of the thing lies in the last clause. The question then arises, what is the use of talking about a mortgage if you cannot get one. If the situation is such that the property cannot be mortgaged, and there is no security of that kind, why should we continue discussing the- security of a mortgage? That is not what the Government intend; the Government purpose finding some other kind of security because they cannot get a mortgage. We have not had any information from the minister what method he intends to adopt to finance these transactions. If w'e throw the mortgage out of consideration what is it we are going to get? We are going to endorse the note of somebody, and as yet it is all a mystery to me what security we are going to have. A mortgage was the security spoken of. Now it appears the mortgage must be put aside, and we must depend on the Governor in Council to find some other security that will satisfy them in advancing the money.
There is one great objection, in my opinion, to this measure, and that is, using the name of the Dominion of Canada on the notes of any person. I can understand the Government going into the markets of the world, borrowing $30,000,000, and using that money to help the industries of the country; but I cannot understand the country endorsing notes to be floated in the markets of the world which may be defaulted any day and which will go into the hands of a broker to be protested. That is not the way the business of this country ought to be run. My hon. friend from iShelburne and Queen's (Mr. Fielding) has already raised that point. He has stated that if we are going to do business as a country we had better borrow the money and make a clean transaction of it, and not have our name endorsed on notes of the kind that are current in the market. The Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) to-day convinced me that we should not pass this legislation. When hon. members on both sides of the House asked that some accommodation be given the soldier fishermen of this conntry, the Prime Minister replied that Canada could not afford to undertake any other liability. He told us that the debt of Canada at the present time was enormous, and that the interest on the debt was equivalent to the revenue we had a few years ago. He told us that the interest on the public debt amounted to $100,000,000, and that while he sympathized with the proposal that something should be done for the soldier fishermen of Canada he could not see his way clear to undertake any further liability. For my part I am going to stand by the Prime Minister.


William Duff: I really think that the proposition I made to the Government, when I spoke previously, to delay the passing of this resolution until we have sufficient time to look into it, was a fair one. I think the Government should agree to that proposition. Speaking personally, I am not sure that the banks of Canada are not able to advance the $30,000,000 which will be le-quired to float this proposition; and I would like to have time to interview one or two of the bankers to-morrow and find out if the banks cannot advance this money on gilt-edge security. The hon. member for Laurier-Outremont (Mr. DuTremblay) told us that the people who are going to buy the ships are responsible persons, are men of means, and that the Bank of France is behind the transaction. Therefore there should be no trouble in raising the necessary money. I should consequently like to ascertain from our banks if they cannot advance the money, before we decide what we should do with respect to this matter. For that reason we should be given a little time to consider the present resolution.


Henry Lumley Drayton: There is no intention to hurry hon. members. We would like to dispose of the resolution, and in order that hon. members may have ample time to look into the matter we will not press the Bill to-morrow.
Mr. DU/FF:	If the resolution is carried
all we can do is to amend the clauses of the Bill; the principle of the measure will have been adopted.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: No.


Jacques Bureau: That takes place at the
second reading of the Bill.


William Duff: Why not allow the resolution to stand until to-morrow?-and then we will allow you to advance it. The Prime Minister to-day made the motion that the



business of the House be advanced two stages a day instead of one.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: That had reference to private Bills.


William Duff: 
Henry Lumley Drayton: I desire to do everything in my power to accommodate the ehon. gentleman. I think he will agree with me that none of us would like to see the discussion take a personal turn. I am quite prepared to consider the suggestions he has made when the Bill is brought down, but I think we should make some progress. My suggestion is that we should now deal with the resolution, and I will then simply introduce the Bill for first reading. Then the Bill will stand over to-morrow with nothing done, and hon. gentlemen will have full opportunity to go into the whole matter on the second reading.


William Duff: But if we find that the banks will advance money to build ships, then the resolution and the Bill are unnecessary.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Unfortunately I am sorry to stay that I am in a position to know that it is quite impossible for the banks to do it. The banks have a great many commercial obligations ion their hands now. Commerce within Canada has to be considered. Credits even to-day, as hon. gentlemen know, are being curtailed rather than expanded, and it is right that they should be. Hon. gentlemen must also realize that it takes a great deal of money to properly finance the country's business. With wheat at its present price it takes a very large sum of money to finance the crop, and we ought to do nothing which

will in the slightest degree imperil the proper financing of that crop. The banks are not in a position to take on heavy responsibility in this matter and at the same time look after their obligations to the West.


William Duff: I cannot agree with the hon. minister in regard to what the banks can do in financing the business of this country. For instance, supposing the fisheries of this country instead of producing $60,000,000 this year produced $120,000,000. would not the banks look after it? Or if our manufacturers could get orders from foreign countries or from our own country for twice their production, would not the banks finance them? It is not a good argument to say that the banks cannot finance the business of this country-and the shipbuilding industry is as important as any other industry. consequently it is a business that the banks must finance just as they finance other business. But if the banks will not finance it, where does the shipbuilder expect to get his money? I say that if he has the proper security the French Government or the Bank of France will accept it. But I feel sure that the shipbuilder can raise the money from the chartered banks of this country, for it must be remembered that this $30,000,000 will be scattered among a number of banks, the shipyards being on the Pacific coast, on the Great Lakes, in Quebec and in Montreal. But, as I said a moment ago, if the banks cannot finance the amount where is the money to come from? It seems to me that before we pass the resolution we should know definitely that it is impossible for the shipbuilders to finance this matter without coming to the Government. Until we are positive on that point I think we certainly should not ask the Government to endorse these notes.


Henry Lumley Drayton: The hon. gentleman I know will realize that bank loans are supposed to be liquid, not tied up for two years, which would be entirely against the spirit of the Bank Act.


William Duff: The banks are doing that every day.


Henry Lumley Drayton: Not very much, and it is not their kind of business. The banks' current business is short-date, as hon. gentlemen well know, usually running for 30 days. The hon. gentleman doubts if there will be any difficulty in financing larger production. I do not know' if the hon.

gentleman had anything to do with the^ difficulties of 1907, but if so he will remember that the grain crop was not financed, and that before the banks would advance money to carry a farmer's grain they first had to be assured of firm contracts for shipment overseas. We have been in that position before, and I can give other instances.


John Howard Sinclair: I was quite serious in asking the minister a question about the last clause of the resolution, but I did not receive any answer. It contemplates a case arising in which he cannot get a mortgage. What way is he going to secure the country for a loan if he cannot get a mortgage?


Henry Lumley Drayton: I am sorry I overlooked my hon. friend's question, but after putting it he continued his remarks.
I explained that matter in opening, and I do not know that I can add very much to what I then said. In some alien countries their citizens are allowed to own boats which are not in the register of their country. So 'a boat can be kept in the Canadian registry with a mortgage, and of course the mortgage is not much good unless we keep the boat so registered.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: But how can a foreigner give a mortgage on a British ship?


John Howard Sinclair: The point, as we all know, is "that the man who owns the ship in Canadian registry must be a British subject. So it is impossible for a subject of France to own a ship in Canada.'


Henry Lumley Drayton: But the builder certainly can make the mortgage. We have no difficulty about getting the mortgage made. But I understand there is difficulty under the laws of some foreign countries as to their citizens becoming the owners of a boat unless it is brought within the register of their country. If there is that difficulty, as I said in opening, we propose to take security, in the currency preferably of that country, to an amount which will absolutely cover the whole advance with a good margin over and above, and deposit it in the hands of our bankers either in the office of the Bank of Montreal in Paris, France, or in London, England, because in connection with that deposit there is no loss of exchange. If we have to realize on .that in the hands of our agents,, then of course the purchaser would bear the loss on his exchange, but we would be protected.


John Howard Sinclair: That
makes your security very doubtful.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: The hon. minister says that the ship will be nominally held by the builder, but surely as the purchaser pays for her she becomes his ship. He is at once interested in a British ship, which is against our law, and yet the minister is quite satisfied to take that as security for $30,-000,000-he is willing to take what is nothing more than the defective equity which the foreigner has, in that ship. I would ask the two ministers and the Minister of Justice (Mr. Ddherty), who is at their elbow, what sort of security are we getting? Under our common law the foreigner has no business to own any interest in a British [DOT]ship. Is the Minister of Finance going to take a mortgage on an illegal interest as vested in that owner or held in trust for him by the man who is building the ship? The minister is no better off by taking a mortgage from the man who is building the ship, because he is only holding it in trust for the *other man and what a man cannot himself do he cannot do through a trustee. What sort of security are we getting? I submit that the whole thing is absolutely irregular and, moreover, that this is not the hour of the morning when complicated questions of marine law should have to be put up to the Minister of Justice.
Mr. DuTREMBLAY: I understand that under the French law' the Government allows the mortgage on a French vessel to be registered at the port. If the owner were at Marseilles, for instance, the French Government would permit the registry of mortgage at that port.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Question.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Oh no, it is not carried. *The Minister of Finance and the Minister of Marine must learn a few lessons, and if there is no other day to bring them to their senses, then we will have to stand in their way as we are doing to-night. Will my hon. friends tell the committee who has made a contract with some builder for the building of a ship? What is the size of the ship? *When is it to be built? We must get down to some shadow of business. I am a much older man than some hon. gentlemen opposite, but I am prepared to sit here until ten o'clock to-morrow, or later, if necessary.


Henry Lumley Drayton: This does not deal with any specific contract. It is to enable business to be done; and the contracts have to be approved before the business is done. In connection with the other point

the hon. member raises, I admit there are difficulties about mortgaging, and that is why the whole matter is left with the Minister of Justice; he has to be satisfied as to that mortgage. If he is not satisfied, then the pledge has to be made as I explained to the hon. member.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: It is quite true, then, that we are in this difficulty from the legal standpoint. If we of the Opposition are beie simply to jump on the band wagon every time the Minister of Finance blows the whistle, we might as well go home. I have been in this House a long time, I was in another House before I came here, I am a trained lawyer and I do not think I should be doing justice to myself or to the people I represent if I allowed this thing to go by. We heard a good deal about some man who was going to make a contract; now we learn that there is no man at all-there is nobody, though the minister seems to think there is some one who will come along. He has his bait out; it is floating along; some fish will bite if the bait is made attractive enough. But nobody will come here to do legitimate business unless we come down with our money. If a man in France wants to build a ship, will he not have it built in England, Scotland or Ireland? Does the minister think that as a business proposition he will come here to get it? The rate of Exchange as between France and England is certainly better than it is between France and Canada. The shipyards are there; the ships can be built at about two-thirds of the cost of building them on this side of the water. There is no business explanation of this proposal. We do not know who wants the ships built; we do not know what the size of the ships will be or how much they will cost. Hon. gentlemen opppsite seem to think this is all nonsense. I see my good friend from New Brunswick (Mr. Loggie) over there. He represents a constituency about as weilthv [DOT] as mine-perhaps not quite so wealthy-and thirty millions is nothing to him and to other hon. members opposite. But if we on this side try to safeguard the people who have to pay the money we are made sport of by hon. gentlemen ooposite. But if my hon. friends are satisfied to take this sweetened pill- if sweetened it is-without anv explanation whatever, then all I have to say is that there will he. a day of reckoning. I know something about the temper of the people of Ontario. We have always hermd members from that province say that they are down on bonuses of any kind; that the farmers of Ontario will not stand for it.

What is the difference between giving bonuses and, giving the whole business, as you are doing here? The whole policy of Ontario on the question of bonuses is being reversed, here to-night; the Government are trying to force down the throats of a few Opposition members a proposal involving $30,000,000. When the Farmers' Party of Ontario understand this situation they will not be very much pleased. Their idea is that every man should do business on his own footing, with his own means and bv his own enterprise. That is the principle upon which this country grew to its present stage. Do not let any one suppose that we have money. We have a little credit left and hon. gentlemen are going to exploit that credit-for whom, we do not know; certainly not for this country. Is this money to be given to any private enterprise that sends a delegation to Ottawa holding out flowerv promises to the Government? We hear that delegations have been coming to this Government dav after day asking for money to start building ships, without, offering anv security except a note without signature and a had stamp on the corner. This is not a good busines proposition and it should not go through.


Frank S. Cahill: If the British Empire Steel Company likely to build any of these ships?


Henry Lumley Drayton: I could not give the hon. member any information on that point. I have not heard from them.


Frank S. Cahill: Will this be a forerunner of a bonus or bounty for the British Empire Steel Company and other companies of that nature that may come looking to the treasury of Canada ,for support?


Frank S. Cahill: Is the British Empire
Steel Company do not own any of the shipyards in Canada, and I doubt very much whether they will.


William Duff: Do they own the Halifax
shipyard?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: No.


Frank S. Cahill: I thought they owned the Dominion Steel Company.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: That is just a
rumour.


Frank S. Cahill: The British Empire Steel
Company make steel plates, I presume, and they will probably be looking for a bounty fo.r ship plates. If the impression goes abroad that the Government of this country is giving bounties, there is no knowing

what people from all parts of the world will be coming to Ottawa for assistance. They will be getting the impression that the Government of Canada is so easy that all one has to do is to gather up a deputation from some place and bring it to Ottawa and make a demand upon this Government for assistance. As long as the Government had any money to give, these people got the money, and now that they have the money, they are asking for the credit of the country; they are asking the Government to endorse notes. It is well known that a merchant who endorsee anybody's note or notes generally is soon regarded by his banker as a poor risk, and as a general thing a man who endorses notes is not allowed credit by a bank. We have exhausted our money; but our credit is still, to some extent, fair. But if we go on endorsing notes of people who come to us asking for assistance for any kind of undertaking, we shall soon find that not only have we lost our money, but we have lost our credit. A man may lose his money and recover it; but if he loses his credit as well, he is in a very bad position. The Government have not told us why they have adopted this policy; they have not told us where they get their precedent. When they wanted to corner some of the farmers who stated that this was a bad policy, they dug up Saskatchewan, or Alberta, or, perhaps British Columbia. We know what happened in those provinces on account of their guaranteeing bonds, and we know that if the Government of Canada had not. come to the rescue, those provinces would have been in a bad way on that account. Is it the intention of this Government that the Dominion of Canada should get into the same position as the provinces? There is in Ontario scarcely a city or town that has not at some time guaranteed the bonds of, or assisted in some way, some undertaking in the city or town, and what for? Because it is going to employ labour,- and if you employ labour, you are supposed to be doing everything that is necessary. If you go through Ontario, you will find any number of towns which are paying interest on bonds they guaranteed for companies which failed. I do not believe there are half a dozen hon. members opposite-I was going to say one, but they are so erratic, you are liable to find anything amongst them-who would, in their own town, vote to guarantee bonds of any enterprise coming to that town. They will say: No, if this proposition is not good enough to carry on business on its own finances, if this company is not able to finance itself,
we do not believe it is good business to assist it. The same thing applies to a province and still more does it apply to the Dominion of Canada. I doubt very much if any other nation in the history of the world ha6 attempted anything of this kind. I doubt very much if the smallest, the poorest nations of Europe have ever attempted anything of this kind. It is so far removed from the principles of government and out of the line of business of government, that I do not believe there is another nation in the world would attempt this kind of thing. It is the poorest kind of business.


John Wesley Edwards: This is very interesting.


Frank S. Cahill: If the hon. member is
not interested, why does he not go home?
Mr. EDW'ARDS: I could not tear myself away from the melody of my hon. friend's tones.


Frank S. Cahill: As there is an ample number of supporters of the Government present to carry the resolution, one tired member of the House would not make much difference one way or the other.


John Wesley Edwards: The hon. member is
mighty poor on jokes.


Frank S. Cahill: Quite a number of hon. members opposite might just as well go home because they take no part in the legislation. I can understand their reason for doing so. Nobody except the Government would want to follow this legislation. The Government themselves know they are through, but there are back of them a few members who hope to return to this House again, and they naturally do not want to say anything in favour of this, and I do not blame them at all for that. If my hon. friend (Mr. Edwards) could throw any light on the subject, or if he would even say that he had read the resolution or knows what it is about, it might toe interesting'to allow him to have the floor for a few minutes.


John Wesley Edwards: If my hon. friend is directing his 'attention to me, I have no doubt whatever that I.could get up and discuss this subject and any other subject without having it read at all, more intelligently than the hon. gentleman, and I would not be half trying at that,


Frank S. Cahill: I know my hon. friend's estimation of himself is so good that he would not need to know even how to read to discuss some subjects as he has done in this House on several occasions to his entire satisfaction. Will the ministry not

give us some idea of where they evolved this bright idea whereby everybody is going to be made rich by taxation, where we are going to continue to build up industry and sell on credit to people who will never pay hack the money? Perhaps, they could give us some idea of what they have in mind-if they have any policy in mind in regard to this guaranteeing of notes of people who may come here for money. Ifxthey refuse to do that, why should they ask us to support this resolution? They should insist on the 'Chairman getting his rest, and should move that the resolution be considered at some other time-perhaps in ten years from now,-a hundred years would be better. I see six ministers in their seats, more than I have seen in the House together almost at any other time this session. Why are there so many ministers here to-night anxious to see this resolution *carried? They have given us no sound reason why this resolution should pass. They have given us no statement of their policy. They have given us no more information in connection with this resolution than they have given us in connection with a great many other resolutions and iBills that have been brought down. I think they should certainly tell us why there is need for all this haste. If it were in order for me to do so, I would move that the committee rise and report progress, but I presume that would not be in order.


John Howard Sinclair: I think the minister ought to consider the request of my hon. friend (Mr. Duff) and let us go home and think over this matter before we are required to vote on it. I did not have an opportunity of reading the resolution until the discussion commenced. I have read *it carefully since, but I want to think it over and consult my friends about it. I do not think it is an unreasonable request that we should report progress in order that we may have time to study the resolution. The Minister of Finance has made no reply to this request of my hon. friend, which I think is a very fair and reasonable one. The time thatNvas given to us to look over this resolution before it was moved in the committee was very short indeed. My hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, only about two months ago, got $20,000,000 from the House for shipbuilding, *and the very same arguments were used then. It was said that the shipyards were going to be idle if we did not vote this $20,000,000 and that 23,000 men would be thrown out of employment. We thought when we 
voted that $20,000,000 a couple of months ago we had settled the' question, for the present session at all events, and it was startling to us to be asked for $30,000,000 more on such short notice. We have plastered this country all over with mortgages during the last two years, and have assumed liabilities of all kinds-$400,000,000 for the Canadian Northern, $400,000,000 for the *Grand Trunk, and so it goes on. When are we going to stop? Does it not alarm even hon. gentlemen opposite? Are they content to go on shingling the country with more mortgages day by day? Are we to be asked to do these things without considering them at all? I think the Minister of Finance will agree with me that this is a rather sudden proposal, and I certainly think we should agree to the request of my hon. friend and move that the committee rise and report progress, so that we may have an opportunity to study this matter more thoroughly.


Mr. CALDER:: If we were in the early stages of the session undoubtedly the request of the hon. member (Mr. Duff) would be acceded to, but we are all hoping that we shall get through within a week or ten days. All the Minister of Finance is asking to-night is that the resolution be passed more or less as a matter of form. We are not asking hon. gentlemen opposite to commit themselves to the principle of this resolution at this stage. They will have an opportunity to express themselves on the principle on the second reading of the Bill. All we ask now is that the resolution be passed more or less informally in order to expedite the business of the House. After *the resolution goes through, the Bill will be printed and distributed, and I presume that it will contain provisions that do not appear in the resolution. Hon members will have an opportunity to see the Bill. It is not the intention of the Minister of Finance to press it to-morrow. Every member of the House will have the fullest opportunity of reading its provisions. I fully agree that every member of the House should have the fullest opportunity of examining the legislation from every angle before it is finally put through, and they will *have that opportunity. Every member of the House will also have the privilege of taking any stand he desires on the principle, on the second reading. The Bill will also have to go through the committee stage. So there will be ample opportunity for considering ' this legislation. We are going to have a full day to-morrow, and I think hon. gentlemen might agree to let-

ting the resolution go through now, on division, if desired, on the distinct understanding that they are not committing , themselves on the principle of the resolution, on which every hon. gentleman may take his stand on the second reading of the Bill.


Arthur Bliss Copp: I have not had an opportunity of hearing all the discussion on this resolution, but-


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Carried.


Mr. OOPP:: If my hon. friends desire to continue their levity, artificial or otherwise, all right. I was going to say that I have not heard all the discussion, but this seems to me a rather serious proposal, and I think it should have been treated with some degree of. seriousness and decorum instead of with the excess of levity and laughter I have heard in the last half hour.
. Mr. EDWARDS: And the silliness from your oiwn side.


Arthur Bliss Copp: I would not be so uncouth as to say there was silliness on the other side. I say this is a matter that hon. gentlemen on this side of the House wish to discuss with what ability they possess. 0.f course we canno t compare in ability with hon. gentlemen on the other side. I have seen the hon. member (Mr. Loggie) beating his desk and throwing back his head [DOT]and laughing for a long while now. I come from the same province and have sat in the same House with him in the province of New Brunswick, and I have never known any one to accuse him of possessing a gigantic intellect. I have no desire to prolong this debate, but I say to the Minister of Finance if he desires to get legislation through the House with expedition he should treat hon. members on this side with some degree of courtesy and decency when they make their arguments.


Mr. McCREA:: I have not been doing very much talking, but I have been doing some listening. To some extent I am a protectionist, but my protectionist propensities do not go quite so faT apparently as those of my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Ballantyne). This is protection with a vengeance. During the war when it was necessary to build a few ships the Minister of Marine arranged with the Vickers Shipbuilding institution at Montreal to build those vessels on the basis of paying the cost plus a 65 per cent commission for engaging the help.
Mr. HA LI.AXTYY'K: I never let any contract on a cost-plus basis.
Mr. MoCRELA: Is it not true that the Govt ernment had some vessels built by the Vickers Company and that they paid 65 per cent for employing the labour in addition to 10 per cent for the use of the plant and material?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: Not this Government.


Francis N. McCrea: The previous Government?
<Mr. BALLANTYNEi: I do not know anything about that.


Francis N. McCrea: The Borden Government. 1 do not see any difference. I do not know how this will appeal to our new friends at the other end of the Chamber who are opposed to all forms and traditions of protection. It is not only protection hut it is getting vessels built under such circumstances as I have described. I believe in a certain amount of protection, but I think this is carrying it a little too far. The farmers ask the hon. member for Brantfoid (Mjr, Cloickshutt) and others to supply farm implements without any protection at all. I do not know whether he will be in favour of this class of protection. If so he is going a long way to help his fellow manufacturers. I think that shipbuilding is necessary, and it is probably very wise that it should be carried on, hut this is one of the industries that should not go begging in normal times. Before the war freight rates were about one-tenth of what they are to-day. When khips can get rates that they are getting to-day they iare not entitled to a very great deal of bolstering up. We voted the shipbuilding industry $30,000,000 some time ago. Are we going boi vote $30,000,000 more? Does the Minister of Finance realize that he has just adopted a system of taxation under which every little girl on the streets who wears a hat worth two or three dollars is going to pay a tax? We should stop and consider before we vote millions for this class iof industry. There is an arrangement now whereby coal is to be exported from this country in vessels built by the Government, I am in the manufacturing business, and I find it is very difficult to get coal and other material to carry on business with. We are going to bolster up men to build ships to be used for carrying an article out of the country that is very badly needed. I do not believe it is good business. I am in favour of building up all industries that can be build up in this country, but in a country as hard up as we are, in view of

the high rates that are prevailing and in view of the fact that the shipyards thought it was a proper course during the war to exact from the people of Canada 65 per cent commission on labour, it seems to me that it would be well for the Government to stop, think and consider before proceeding with this measure. We on this side of the House ask that it may be allowed to stand over until to-morrow in order that we( may have an opportunity of examining it more closely. I do not think that is asking too much.
Mr. SINCLAIR (Guysborough: How long does the Minister of Marine expect this thing to last? When we voted $20,000,000 recently we thought it would be enough money to carry them along for the present season. The minister has fed the shipyards up with such large contracts for a year or two past that they have got very wealthy. Is this going to be permanent? And, will they come back every year for the same kind of accommodation? That seems to be the hopeless part of the business. The minister has not Told us that this is going to be the last call, for money for these shipyards. There are many shipyards that are not getting any thing out of the bonus th^t is being paid by the Government. We voted $50,000,000 and then $20,000,000, and we are now asked to vote $30,000,000 more. I think we should have some idea as to when this baby is going to get along on its own account. I believe in nourishing the youngster, but when it gets so strong that it wears No. 11 hoots, gets out of the cradle and threatens to kick the GoV(-ernment's blooming head off unless it is given further encouragement, we should find out where the end of it is going to be. I would like to know if this is the last call. We have had this call so frequently that it is alarming. It is alarming my constituents and I submit to the country generally that we are incurring these enormous liabilities time after time. The twenty millions that we have already voted this year for shipyard work is another mortgage on the country. It is adding another $20,000,000 to our debt, and now we have this further proposal. Is this going to stop or is it. going to continue ? Are we to be asked next year for another thirty million in order to keep the shipyards going? I would like the minister to answer that question.


Georges Henri Boivin: Shall the resolution
carry?	1	1	'


Frank S. Cahill: The Minister of Immigration and Colonization (Mr. Calder) appealed to us to expedite the work before the House by passing this resolution. I want to tell the minister that some of us on this side want to do the very opposite with the resolution. We do not want to expedite its passage; we want to kill it if w'e^can.


Mr. BUTTS:: You will kill the audience first.


Frank S. Cahill: I repeat, we do not want
to expedite this resolution, we want to kill it. We cannot have the thorough discussion that we would like on the Bill when it is introduced; we have to adhere to the particular clause that may be under consideration. The Government have not given us any information about these ships they hope to have built or as to what the number will be. The member for Antigonish and Guysborough (Mr. Sinclair) a moment ago, put a question to the ministry and they refuse to answer; they sit there dumb. I do not blame them for that. If I could not give a better reason for this proposition than they have so far given I would also remain dumb.
Mr. BALLANiTYNE: I was rising to reply to the hon. member for Guysborough when the hon. member for Pontiac (Mr. Cahill) intervened.


Frank S. Cahill: Very well, I will make
way for the minister now.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. member
for Guysborough (Mr. Sinclair) wants to know how long a period this is for. It is one year. He also wishes to know what the amount involved will be. I do not know what number of ships will be ordered, but if the committee deems it wise the amount can be limited. I said thirty millions; it may be fifteen, or it may only be ten. If the committee wishes a limit to be put, with the consent of the Minister of Finance -with whom I talked just a moment ago -we are willing to limit the amount to $20,000,000, and that will be spread over a. period of three years. A question was also asked as to the size of the ships. The ships will be from 3,750 tons deadweight up to 7,000 tons. If the orders come from France-as I have every reason to think they will-they will be very suitable to our Canadian yards because the lake type of vessels can be used by France as colliers, and the larger vessels can be built in our big yards on both the Atlantic and Pacific coasts.


John Howard Sinclair: Has the minister any assurance from the shipping people that they will not come back next year for more money? Can the minister assure the committee that he will not require any more money later on to keep the shipyards going, or is he going to ask for money year after year for this purpose? That is the point I am mainly interested in.


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hon. member
has been a member of the House much longer than I have been, and I am sure he will agree that he would be an unwise minister that would try to anticipate what might or might not occur a year hence, or at the next session of Parliament. In the words of the late lamented Sir Wilfrid Laurier, "We will have to trust to Providence."
Mr. SINCLAIR- (Guysborough): That is very true, but we are going into a venture that- we ought, to see the end of, and it strikes me that the minister ought to be able to say that in has opinion the shipyards will stand on their own feet if they get the assistance which is being provided for this session, approximating altogether some fifty millions. If he is not able to say so it is a pretty hopeless affair. If these people are not able to live on their own business, and we are to be asked next year to vote more money to keep the shipyards going it is a very sad state of things. The minister ought to be able to see far enough ahead to be able to give some assurance that if we make this large loan to keep the shipyards going for the present year they have some prospect of going ahead on their own account next year.


Frank S. Cahill: How many shipyards does the minister consider will be affected by this loan?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: Seventeen.


Frank S. Cahill: Where are the shipyards?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: The hour is late,
still I have no objection to giving the hon. member the information he wants. They are located at Halifax, New Glasgow, Point Levis, Three Rivers (2), Montreal, Port Arthur, Collingwood, Toronto, Midland, Bridgeburg,. Welland, Kingston, Prince Rupert, Victoria and Vancouver (2).


Frank S. Cahill: How many shipyards are
in a position to get orders from a foreign country, or from substantial people, if this resolution carries? Will more than one or two be affected?


Oliver Robert Gould: Has it been tentatively
understood or agreed between the Canadian and French Governments that this business will be forthcoming if the resolution passes?


Frank S. Cahill: I have asked the minister whether any other shipyards than one or two will be affected by this legislation?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: As I said before, there are in all seventeen yards. This" matter has been brought to the attention of the Government during the last four months. Various financial groups have waited upon us, and all the shipyards from Piince Rupert to Halifax are very much interested. They are all anxious for business, and they all hope to get it. Beyond that I cannot say.


Frank S. Cahill: Will the Minister of Finance (Sir Henry Drayton) tell us whether or not this will affect the country's credit? We are borrowing a great deal of money upon which we have to pay interest. We have loans maturing in the United States and in Great Britain, and I have no doubt that we will very shortly have to renew some of them. I would therefore ask the minister, before he asks the committee to pass this resolution, whether he thinks it will in any way affect the credit of the Dominion?


Henry Lumley Drayton: The power is
taken for the Government to control the discount in place of paying for these notes. We are not allowing the notes to be hawked around as has been suggested by one hon. member. Of course we have got any amount of liabilities to meet-and I think we are going to meet them. But there is one thing we have all got to bear in mind, that the only way to meet our liabilities is to carry on, and that it is not a very good thing'when we are keeping shop and meeting our liabilities to have a large amount of unemployment in an important industry.


Oliver Robert Gould: Mr. Chairman, I rise to tender a mild protest. I asked a question of the hon. minister twice, but no answer has been forthcoming. Now, although the*ant cannot push the elephant, it objects to being pushed by the elephant, and I think that if my question was courteously put-and I meant it to be-I should be accorded some sort of answer. I would like to have an answer to the one question I put to the minister.


Henry Lumley Drayton: I think that question was put to the Minister of Marine and

Fisheries, but evidently he did not hear it, because he has just asked me what it was. The question was whether the Government of France were interested in this matter. Whether that government, as a government, is interested I do not know, except to this extent, that the gentlemen who have presumably been interested on behalf of the French Government wanted to get credits for the purpose of shipbuilding. Further than that, offers were made at one t;me by those gentlemen that they would supply bonds of the French Government for the full expenditure, and of course if they had done that undoubtedly the French Government would have to be interested. I cannot speak about it personally because I did not follow it up.


Oliver Robert Gould: The question that I wished answered was whether, in the information of the Government, the French Government would be disappointed, as a result of the communications that have passed between the two governments, if this resolution does not carry?


Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne: We cannot say whether the French Government would be disappointed or not, but I m.ay say that they are intensely anxious that this matter should go through. A proposition was made to us to take French bonds, but other conditions were attached that did not satisfy the Government. I should judge from the negotiations that went on for some time that the French Government are very much interested.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: I gather from the statements of the minister that he is not in the same position as when shipbuilding himself, for then he had control of the money; but in this case he has no control over the money at all, he simply endorses a certain document which enables the man building the ship to get the money and pay it out. If we iwere giving a bounty we would know we were giving so much a ton and would not expect to get it back, except indirectly in the way of increased industry. Another objection to this proposal is that the man in France in getting his ship built will surely take advantage of the market, and if he is a business man at all he will call for tenders in the open market and get shipbuilders from the Old Country to underbid us every time, because they are able to build ships very much cheaper than we can, with the result that we will have to make some business losses in order to secure any contracts.

I may say, Mr. Chairman, that I was never more honest than in my opposition to this resolution to-night. I am honestly convinced that the Government should not have introduced this resolution, that it should not pass the House, and that hon. gentlemen on both sides of the House should refuse to give their assent to an expenditure of this kind. We were told in the early stages, in the suave and positive manner of the Minister of Finance, that he had the most ample security for the money he was paying out, but when we came down to a little closer investigation we found he was getting no security. That foreigner is too cute for the minister. The foreigner has the ship and cannot give a mortgage on it, and therefore my hon. friend has no security. He has failed to tell us where the other security is to come from. We thought at one time that it would be on the ship, but it has been abundantly demonstrated that a foreigner cannot own a ship in this country. Perhaps if the minister gives this matter fuller consideration he will be able to satisfy himself that he cannot get any security, and that therefore as 'trustee of the money of the people he had better not press this proposal to a conclusion under present circumstances.


Frank S. Cahill: Where does the company buying the ship and for whom the note is endorsed expect to get the money? Do they expect to finance it with the Canadian banks?


Henry Lumley Drayton: No, not the Canadian banks; that will be left with us to arrange. The- Government prefers to attend to that. We will not finance it in such a way as to make any conflict with our own banks or take any of our necessary money out of the country.


Frank S. Cahill: What has the Government in mind as to how the financing will be done?


Henry Lumley Drayton: It will be financed in whichever market is the best; at the moment the chances are it would be the American market.


Frank S. Cahill: You will state where the company which has the 'note may dispose of it; so that it is really equivalent to a short-term Canadian bond. That is whiat it amounts tioi.


Mr. CANNON:: Does this resolution apply only to existing contracts, or will it apply also to contracts made in the future?


Henry Lumley Drayton: It does not apply to any particular contract. It will apply to any proper contract.


Lucien Cannon: The minister has given as the main reason for this resioilution the suggestion that the shipbuildng industry in Canada needs help. If the resolution applied only to existing contracts there might be some reason for it; but why open the door to all contracts in the future? Any man who goes into the shipbuilding business may take advantage of this legislation and obtain help from the Government.


Henry Lumley Drayton: It merely applies to existing shipyards. In the case of any existing shipyard with a force of men employed, it would apply to any contract necessary for the purpose of keeping it going.


Lucien Cannon: Is it the intention of the Government to bring down, based upon this resolution, a general Bill, or will the Bill be restricted as to its clauses? Will there be a preamble explaining the reasons for the introduction of the Bill?


Henry Lumley Drayton: There will not be a general Bill. It will be a Bill for a specific purpose, but it will limit the amount.


Lucien Cannon: The principle of the Bill is most extraordinary and exceptional. That the Government of this country khould step in and help a particular industry is something new. I do not think that the principle is good. I believe that the House would look with more favour upon a Bill in which the primary reasons for its introduction were stated than it would upon a general Bill without any explanations or restrictions.
Resolution carried on division, reported and concurred in.
Sir HENRY DRAYTON (Minister of Finance) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 199, to assist shipbuilding.
Motion agreed to and Bill read the first time.
On motion of Rt. Hon. Mr. Doherty the House adjourned at 2.42 a.m. (Wednesday) .



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Abbreviations.-lr., 2r., 3r. = first, second, or third reading. Admn. = Administration; Arndt.= Amendment. Com. = Committee. Div. =Division. Dept. = Department. Govt. ^Government. M.=iMotion. Ques. = Question.	Ref.=.Reference.	Rep..	= Report. Res. - Resolution.	Sec.-Section.Abey, Mr. H. R. ques. 1000	,
Acadia Refining Company, 3226 Acton Vale post office, ques. 1899 Adams, Mr. Thomas, ques. 1002, 3551
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 11, 47, 87, 114, 161, 181, 231.
Adjournment. See House of Commons Admiralty. See Naval Service
Admiralty Act Amendment Bill, lr., 2842; 2r., 3086; com., 3086; 3r., 3086
Adulteration of Food. See Food and Drugs Bill
Aerial Navigation. See also British North America Act Air Service, 4553
Material, purchase of for, ques. 1359 Tax, suggested, 3592
Age of Consent. See Criminal Code Agricultural Gazette, 1085
Agricultural Machinery Bill (Standardization of Parts), lr., 2079
Agriculture. See debates under Canadian "Wheat Board; Commercial Feeding Stuffs [DOT]
Co-operation with the provinces, 603 Dairying industry. See that title Department, Estimates, 2382 Experimental farms. See that title Farm labour, ques. 800, 1011, 1220, 1227 Government, and, 610 Improvement in, 677 International Institute of, 2411 Potatoes, exportation, ques. 1360 Statement and review by Minister, 2366
Agriculture and Colonization, Com., 306, 540
Alberta Penitentiary, ques. 2777, 3855
Alcohol. See also Inland Revenue; Opium and Drugs; Proprietary; Prohibition; Special War Revenue Industrial, 70, 324
Aliens, 150, 155, 229. See also Dominion Franchise; Education; Immigration; Naturalization
Detention camps, in, ques. 314 Enemy, naturalization, ques. 992 Immigrants and Canadian Citizenship, M (Mr. Steele), 812
Allan, Mr. G. W. (South Winnipeg)
Returns to House, 1295
Allies. See also League of Nations
Peace Conference at Ostend, 2476, 2574
Alpine Club, 3288
Alves, Mr., death of, ques. 1463
Amery, Colonel, and Speaker's Chair, 3224
Ames, Sir Herbert B. (St. Antoine)
League of Nations-review and summary, 3961. League of Nations a reality-* partisanship in international relationships deprecated-history and description of League-meetings-specific tasks and achievements-permanent institutions designed and prepared for -transit-armaments-mandates and minorities-registration of treaties

emergent measiires-duties as financial director-first assembly, November, 1920-the Secretariat an international civil service-Canada's opportunity. Questions answered; for details see League of Nations Return of to ^House, 3623
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Brant Military Hospital, ques. 2519 Federal Bureau of Education, 1370 Income tax, errors in returns, 3302 Opium and Drug Bill, 1636-7, 1644-5, 1746 Parliamentary	Restaurant-messengers,
Sugar, price of, 1896
Andrews, Mr. George W. (Centre Winnipeg) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 171. . Free trade, 171; returned soldiers; true party discipline, 173; going over to cross benches, 174 Budget, 3012. Members' indemnity, 3012; pensions for soldiers and their dependents-war profits, 3013; conscription of financial and managerial ability; Mr. Meighen on Britain and British policy-trust the people, 3015 Canadian Wheat Board, ques. 2182 Canteen profits, ques. 800 Hudson Bay Company lands, ques. 1897 League of Nations and United States, ques. 1118
Oleomargarine, 1869 Pensions, 433, 511
Returned soldiers, provision for, M. for special com. 511 Soldier Settlement, 2135-6 Universal military training, 945
Animal Contagious Diseases Act Arndt. Bill.
lr., 1622-3; 2r„ com., 1839; 3r., 1840
Animals, Feeding of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Annuities. See Government Annuities
Anticosti, North Point light, ques. 1361
Antigonish and North Sydney, Public works, ques. 543, ques. 1004
Appeals. See Supreme Court Act
Apple Barrels. See Inspection and Sale
Appropriation Acts
1. Bill No. 36 (for 1920-1, for $62,900,-
986.09), lr., 2r., com., 3r., 756
2. Bill No. 67 (for 1920-21, for $2,083,-
333.33). Res., lr., 2r., com., 3r., 1289
3.	Bill No. 166 (for 1919-20, for $3,175,-
199.81; and for 1920-1, for $64,984,319.42 interim). Res., 3215, 3217; lr., 2r., com., 3r., 3218
4.	Bill No. 221 (for 1919-20, for $15,875,-
999.03; and for 1920-21, for $321,980,760.61). Res., lr., 2r., com., 3r., 4587
"Arabic," SS. Loss of Govt, vouchers in, ques., 3489
Archambault, Mr. Joseph (Chambly and VerchSres)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 292. Address seconded in English, not in French-proposed general election; reply to Mr. Meighen, 292; reply to Mr. Hocken, 293; dissolution of Parliament, historical review, 294 Auditor General's report, 4276 Bankruptcy Bill, 4263
Budget, 2925. Farmers' delegation on conscription, 2925; increase of public debt, 2926; "advances unaccounted for," 2927; income tax, exemption on account of children, 2928; cost of living-Board of Commerce-profiteers, 2929; Dominion Textile Company-purchases in connection with advances to Greece and Roum&nia, members of Parliament interested, 2930; new taxes, proposed taxation of war wealth, 2932; food gamblers. 2933; banks and credits for speculation; tariff commission and revision, personal position, 2934; exchange rate and soldiers' pay-withholding of information on public affairs by Gov., 2936
Canteen profits, 709 Chambly fort, 3769 Daylight saving, 1574 Desjardins, " Ti-Noir," ques. 315 Dominion Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2216, 2221, 2243 Liquor on polling day, 1108 Polling divisions, 1517 Proclamation-language of publication, 1834, 2292
Explosive works at Beloeil, 2247-48 Freight car situation, ques. 319; ques. 997 French wine imports, ques, 1627 Gambling, 3428
Grand Trunk shareholders, 3426-27 Greece and Roumania, ques. 415; ques. 2414
Habeas Corpus, 3296 House of Commons
Debates-translation of French speeches, 697, 4587 Income tax
Exemptions on account of children, 2928, 3297-8
Forms in French, 1084, 1573 Inquiry for returns, 618, 4258 International Labour Conference, ques. 803
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Kingston harbour works, 458 Kinmel Camp riots, 709 Judges' salaries, 3227
Letter of French Canadian at war front, 284
Militia, 3660-3
Naturalization, Alsace-Lorraine, 3921 Navy League of Canada, ques. 802 Opium and Drug Bill, 1749, 1759 Peace Treaty, Bulgaria, 489 Printing Bureau, Sunday work, 4020 Purchasing Commission-Public Accounts Com., 1474, 4580-3 Racial and religious rights, 489 Roumania, ques. 2413, ques. 3488 Russia, trade with, 4322 St. Johns election, 2239 St. Lawrence channel, 230, 856 Shipbuilding, 640
Contracts, ques. 314, 917 Steel plates for, ques. 706 Soldiers
Cash gratuities, 1084 Payments to in sterling, ques. 2008 Steel and shipping merger, 1953 United States railways and Canadian freight, 1789 Victory loans, ques. 803 Commissions, ques. 320 Committee, ques. 2008 Vimy battlefield, ques. 1358 Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2474
Archibald, Col. Grassie, ques. 2007
Argue, Mr. Ira E. (Swift Current) Eight-hour day, 449 Experimental Farms, 2389, 3159
Armenians,
League of Nations and, 855, 1465, 3979
Armstrong, Mr. John A. M. (North York) Franchise Bill, 1067
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E. (East Lambton) Budget Speech, copies of. 2626 Car shortage, 884 Daylight saving, 1084 Ethyl alcohol, 3497 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1164 Voters' lists, 2419-20 Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1129 Illustration farms, 2384
Irlternational Parliamentary Conference, ques. 2721
Armstrong, Mr. Joseph E.-Con.
Mines Department, 3803 National defence,. 4305
Naval Service, additional appropriation, 4305-10
Newspaper postage, 3349, 3755-8 Oil-Hudson	Bay-Great Slave Lake,
Royal Commission on Natural Resources, ques. 4502
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3476 Collection, progress of, 3480-1, 3600 Furniture-auctions, 3575 Jewellery, 3579 Musical instruments, 3595 Proprietary medicines, 3600-4 Steel and Shipping merger, 1956 British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777
Vessel Rates
Board of Railway Commissioners, control by, ques. 2414, 2777 Inland and coastwise (Railway Act Amdt. Bill), 160, 1707-27, ques. 2772 Ocean; res., 2013
Armstrong, Mr., Director of Coal Operations. See under Coal Operations
Army. See also Soldiers
Court martial procedure, ques. 1359	,
Surplus stores, ques. 1229
War Boots and Shoes, ques. 506	[DOT]
Arsenals. See Dominion arsenals; Militia
Arthabaska-Victoriaville, branch line, ques-4502
Arthur Young Company, 3742. See also CiviT Service; Griffenhagen Wolff, Mr. L. R., ques. 1624
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Alves, Mr., death of, ques. 1463.
Franchise Bill Aliens-certificate, 2231-56 Peace and good order, 1106-8 Voters' list, 2421, 3892 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3936-40 Point of order-militia-relevancy, 3663 War trophies, 4557
Asbestos, 4513. See
Asbestos postmaster, ques. 320
Asiatics in Canada. See Chinese; Japanese, Naturalization; Orientals; Franchise-Bill


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Expenses of Candidates, 1172, 1174-84 *Grasshopper plague, 128 Sessional indemnities for unrepresented years, 129
Atlantic Sugar Refinery Company, 3226
Auditor General's Report, 458, 4276
Fourth volume, 2179, 2390	.
Publication in French, ques. 1627
Austrian and German Imports, ques. 2416, ques., 3359
Automobiles, 119, 2823, 2815. See also Special War Revenue Act Imports and excise, ques. 591 Manufacturing plants in Canada, ques. 1201 Smuggled, ques. 807; ques. 1001 Taxes on, 2487
Autonomy of Canada. See Canada's National Status; Bulgarian Treaty; League of
Nations; Peace Treaty
Bacon Industry. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Badges, Naval Service, 437. See also Naval Service

Bagot County
Electoral list, ques. 2011 Postal inspection, ques. 2721
Baie de Chaleur Harbours, 2185
Baker, Late Lieut. Col. G. H., M.P.,
Memorial to, 181, 2776, 3557,
Baldwin, Mr. Willis K. (Stanstead)
Budget, 25*39. Luxury taxes, 2539; parties and reciprocity, 2540; Liberal party's tariff policy, 2540; immigration and national development, 2541; railways; West Indies, and Confederation, 2543 Food and Drugs Bill, 1262 Opium and Drug Bill, 1755 Scientific Research, 2174 Special War Revenue Bill, 3463 Retailer, effect upon, 3474 Sale (1 per cent) tax, 3467 Stamp taxes, collection of, 1262, 1755
Ball, Mr. Robert J. (Southeast Grey) Burbidge-Messines, ques. 2721
Ballantyne, Hon. C. C. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries and Minister of the Naval Service)
Budget, 2533. Business profits war tax- tariff and cost of living, 2534;1 Liberal party tariff policy, 2535; free trade and the farmers, 2539 Buoy Service, 2116
Canada Shipping Act Amdt (Masters and Mates) 406-7, 563, 573-4, 980-3, 1610-2 Canada Shipping Act Amdt (Piloitage) 1839, 1967
Canada Shipping Act Amdt (Steamboat Inspection) 1050-2, 1762, 1776, 2125 Canadian Government Merchant Marine. See also under this title Shipbuilding Business statement, 950 ' Operation, 641, 645
Information concerning withheld-policy justified, 1650, 1659-61, 1667, 1681
Steamers
"Canadian Inventor," delay in sailing, 3226, 3360
"Canadian Recruit" wreck of, 649 "Canadian Sealer," 649 "Canadian Spinner," 649 Canadian National Railway, ships and, 904 Cape Race, 2117
Export trade, larger desired, 621 Fish inspection, 1052-4, 4585-6 Fisheries, 3521-3
Overseers and guardians, 3523 Protection and patrol, 3524 Treaty with United States, 1290 Government policy, expected announcement, 583
Government steamers Buying for, 1610 Wages, 1598, 1600, 1609-11 Halifax marine agency, 2110 [DOT] Icebreakers, 1598-1612, 2103-7 "J. D. Hazen," 1599, 1602 "Montcalm," 1606-7 St. Lawrence, new vessel for, 1620-1 Uniforms of men, 1603-4 Fair wage contracts, 1608-9 Jellicoe, Admiral, report of, 344 Australia and New Zealand, 1160 India, 1290 Printing, 386 Lighthouse Service
British Columbia patrol boats, 1616 Grand Etang, 2114 Lighthouse Board, 2117-8 Salaries, 2110-4
Liquor Shipments, Ontario-Michigan border, 2108
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Live stock shipments inspection, 1615 Lunenburg-registrar, 2108-10	.
Magdalen Islands, 649, 651, 1601 Relief ships to, 1742
Marine Dept, and members of Parliament, 2121
Marine Dept., services restored to, 3507 Naval College graduates, 4562 Naval Defence of the Empire
Statement on motion for Supply, 3498 Dominion Ministers' memorandum- Lord Jellicoe, 3499. Government's official statement on naval affairs- acceptance of Admiralty's offer of ships-Naval Service Act, 1910, 3500; " Niobe " and " Rainbow "-war, recruiting and casualties-Naval college-distinguished officers, 3502; reorganization-details of ships from Admiralty-Naval estimates, 3503; efficiency of Service-fisheries protection-Navy Leagues, 3504; submarines to be sold-other Overseas Dominions and Great Britain, expenditures, 3505; service on pre-war lines, 3507. Sec also under this title Naval Service Naval Service. See also, under this title, Naval Defence
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000- 4291-4302, 4314, 4398-4402, 4408-9 Civil Service insurance and, 1779 Correspondence and negotiations, 4408. 4413
Ministerial statement, 707-8 Pre-war lines, 4391 Naval Service Badge, 439-45 Naval Service Dept.
Estimates-agreement as to debate on, 441-2
Salaries, 4409-11 Navigation
Aid and protection, 2115 Schools of, 1612-3
Pardee, Mr. and	taxation-Montreal
address, 2742
Pictou Harbour Bill, 2184-90; 3491-94 Pilots. See also under this head, Canada Shipping Act Pensions, 4579-80 St. John, 2119-22 Quebec grain elevators, 657 Race tracks, influence of, 3428 Registration of shipping, 1614 St. John harbour, 2119, 3492-3 St. Lawrence channel, ice conditions, 230, 856-8
Ballantyne, Hon. C. C.-Con.
St. Lawrence dredging, 1616-20 Shipbuilding, 618, 641, 651, 662-9
Canadian-built ships, quality of, 625 Canadian Government Merchant Marine^ 622, 659
Cattle shippers, and, 911 Contracts, 662-9, 892, 907-910, 916. Georgian Bay Canal, and, 915 Government ownership, 903, 908 Government programme finished, 905-7 _ Prices, 895, 900-2. See also under this title, Contracts
Profiteering, denied, 901
Profits-financial statement, 902-3
Ship plates, 623	*
Ships at Quebec, 916 Supply-vote of $20,000,000, 618, 892 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3994, 4001, 401314, 4145-51, 4157-68 Unforeseen expenses, 1616 Wharves, 2122 Winter fishing, 1609 Wrecks-investigation, 1612
Bank Act Amdt. Bill (Interest rate), lr., 992
Banking and Commerce, Com., 306
Bankruptcy Act Amdt. Bills.
1.	lr., 920 (Mr. Jacobs)
2.	lr., 2246; 2r„ com., 3255; 3r„ 3265 Senate amdt. 4263
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Trustees, ques. 2414
Banks, Chartered, ques., 591. See also Special War Revenue; Finance Interest allowed to Government by, ques. 673
Moneys received from, 1001 Shipbuilding and, 4008 Wheat crop and, 4351
Barley. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Barron, Capt. John A., 857
Batiscan Bridge, ques. 317, ques. 1230
Battlefields Memorials
Com. on, 1460, 1738, 2078, 2177 Quebec, fortifications of, 421
Baugh, E. L. and Tapley, W. H., 2015
Bawdy Houses. See Criminal Code
Begin, Cardinal, insult to, 1574
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Air Service, 4555-6
Ames, Sir Herbert and League of Nations, 3623
Budget, date of, 2247 Butter and cheese, grading, 603 Canada and the Empire, 503 Canada Year Book, 1879 Canadian National Railways
Operation and withholding of information, 1656, 3086
Canadian Trade, extension of, 1883-5 Car shortage, 885 Civil Service
Classification, 4172. Sep also, under this title, House of Commons Holidays, 4061, 4261 Retirement, 2179, 4464-5 Conservation Commission, 3286 Demobilization, 4552 Federal Bureau of Education, 1372 Franchise Bill
Proclamation-language of publication, 1834-6, 2272
Voters' lists, posting of, 3910 Franking privilege, 3763-7 Grosse Isle, 3555 House of Commons Members, attendance of, 445-9 Staff, classification, 949 , 1037-9,	4504,
Imperial ex-Service men immigration of, 387
Income tax
Canadian Pacific Railway and, 3306 Dividends, when liable, 3305 [DOT] Indemnity of members, 3242-3 Indemnity of Members and salaries of Ministers; votes of Messrs. Lanctot and Proulx, 4455
Indians, tuberculosis amongst, 3276 Inquiries for returns, 4258 International Financial Conference, 1465 International Labour Conference, 3359 League of Nations
Belgium, Spain, Greece, Brazil, 3978 Canada's status and relations, 352-3, 481-3
Canadian representative in Assembly, 567, 1046
Commercial treaties, 3973 Next assembly of League, 3977 Saar Basin, 3974 United States, 3977 Mint, the, 616
Moving Pictures of Canada, 1882-3 National parks-big game, 3285
Beland, Hon. Henri S.-Con
Naval Service	*.
Estimates, agreement as to, debate on, 4411
Estimates and expenditure, 3508-10 Opium and Drug Bill, 1630-6, 1646-8, 1706, 1752-3	.
Parliament Buildings, 7 Parliamentary restaurant, 3094-5 Peace Treaty Belgium, 481 Ratification, 477
Pensions and Re-establishment, 615 Com. on
Recommendations, legislation concerning, 4504
Report not printed in French, 2016 Resignation of Mr. Peck, 2082 Prime Minister, health of, 114 Proprietarj' medicines, 3603 Purchasing Board, 1468, 1471 Rural mail carriers, 4524 St. Lawrence dredging, 1617-8 Serbia, reported credit to, 567 Soldier Settlement, 2130 Special War Revenue Bill, 3327-8, 3343 Spirits and medicated wines, 3793 Sporting goods, 3571 Universal military training, 945 Washington, Canadian representative at, 1742, 2473-4
Belgium, advances to, ques. 318. See also League of Nations; Peace Treaty
Bell Telephone Company, rates appeal, ques. 2009
Beloeil, explosive works at, 2247, 2314 Bersimis and Rimouski service, ques. 1463
Best, Mr. John (Dufferin)
Civil Service
Classification, salary increases in advance of, 551 Senate staff, 4060 Superannuation, 4266-7 Eight-hour day, 374 Franchise Bill
Assiniboia expenses, 1174, 1183 Deposit, 1095
Recall, the, 2028-9	,
Returning officers, 1525, 1527-S Voting on certificate, 1099 Indians, education of, 3280 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4417-22 Oleomargarine, 1852-56 Purchasing Board, 1468, 1471 Rural mail, 4529
Special War Revenue Bill, 3330, 3335-6
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Biggar, Lieut. Col Oliver Mowat, K.C. 5SS, ques. 1462,	4264-9, 4516. See also
Dominion Franchise, Chief Electoral Officer.
Bills, Divorce, remission of charges in, 4321, 4413
Biological Board, ques. 2572
Bird, Mr. Eustace G. ques. 1625
Blair, Mr. W. J. (Battle River)
Screenings, ques. 704
Blake, Mr. Matthew R. (North "Winnipeg) Coal operations director, 3179 Indemnity of Members, 4082 Opium and Drug Bill, 1638-9 -Purchasing Commission, 1473-4 Universal military training, 940
Blondin, Hon. P. E.„ 57, 79, 82, 138, 209 Trip to Europe, ques. 541. See also Postmaster General
Board of Commerce, 198, 229, ques. ^08, ques. 592, ques. 1740, 1947 Canners, inquiry concerning, 1045 Chairman, Judge Robson, resignation of, 11, 73, 114, 120, 3769, 3803	-
Correspondence tabled, 85, 4258, 4502-03 M. for papers, 1900 Civil Service Commission, and, 3426 Dairy and pork industry and, 605, 611, 1009, 1017, 1844 Farmers and, §401 McNichol, Mr. J. L., 994 M. (Mr. Deslauriers) for abolition, 1139 M. for papers, 2015
Murdock, Mr., resignation of, 4170-71, 4466 Letter, text of, 4481
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., resignation of, 1684, 3685
Prosecutions, ques. 996 Report, ques. 2012
Inquiry as to, 3227, 3426, 3427 Presented, 3358
Resignation of members, 4258-59 Robson, Judge. See title under this, Chairman
Validity of Act constituting, 3685 "Wholesale grocers, dismissal of Mr. Arthur S. Porter, 568
Board of Railway Commissioners. See Railway Commission.
Board of Translators. See Criminal Code Amdt. (French Version)
Boards of Trade Act Amdt Bill, lr., 2r„ 4414; com.. 3r., 4460
Boivin, Mr. George Henry (Shefford). See Deputy Speaker
Bolshevism, 1495, 3649. See also Criminal Code; Immigration; Industrial Uprest.
Bonaventure
Experimental Farms, ques. 414 Pensioners, ques. 993 Postmasters, ques. 507 Public Works engineer, ques. 411 Wharves, ques. 411
Bonaventure and Gaspe
Dairy products and fish, ques. 587
Bonds. Sec also Finance; Loans; Victory Loans
Canadian Government, since beginning of war, ques. 2008
Bonus. See Civil Service
Book-making. See Criminal Code
Books
Banned, Regina library, 396 Customs duties, 3110
German and Austrian imports, ques. 806
Boots. See also Special War Revenue And shoes, army, ques. 506, ques. 1229 And shoes, prices, 3329-30
Borden, Right Hon. Sir Robert (Prime Minister)
Allies conference at Ostend, 24(76, 2574 Bankruptcy Bill, 4097	-
Bill disposed of-question not to be raised during same session, 3426 Board of Commerce Correspondence, 3426 Murdock, Mr., resignation" of, 4171 O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ resignation of, 3685 Report, 3227
Resignation of members, 4258-9 Robson, Judge, Chairman
Correspondence, 3769, 4258, 4502-3, Budget debate, not limited by amdt., 2518 Budget Speech, inquiry for copies, 2626 Canadian Wheat Board, 3561 Civil Service
Grievances-appeal, 3141-2'
Holidays, 4061-2, 4259-62'
Senate amdts to Bill, 4259 Coal Operations Director Bill, jurisdiction, 3692
Orders in Council, ratification of, 3362-5
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Franchise Bill Debate on, 1837-8
Proclamation, language of publication, 2303-4
Oleomargarine, 60S, 1870-1 Rural mail, 4525
Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil-Soulanges) Lighthouse keepers, ques. 1897 Ste. Anne bridge, 3774-5 Ste. Anne de Bellevue hospital, ques. 1115 Soulanges canal road, ques. 999
Boys, Mr. William A. (South Simcoe)
Food and Drugs Bill, 972-8
Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1130-6
Icebreakers, 2107
Indian Act Amdt. Bill-enfranchisement, 4029-35, 4176
Bran. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Brant Military Hospital, ques. 2519
Bridges, provincial and Dominion authorities, and, 3769
Brien, Mr. John Wesley (South Essex)
Opium and Drug Bill, 1643 .
Bristol, Mr. Edmund (Toronto Centre) Shipbuilding, 628 Steel and shiping merger, 1948 Vessel rates, proposed regulation, 1718
British Columbia
Lighthouse service, 1616 Railways. See Railway Act Amdt.
Water Powers, ques. 1118
British Columbia Indian Lands Bill, lr. 386; 2r„ com., 787, 950, 3r„ 1047,. 1152
British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777, 4010. See also Steel Industry
British North America Act Amdt. 4379 Aerial navigation, 4169 Motion for papers, 811 Power to amend, 464, 479
British Parliament and Speaker's Chair, 3224
British Preference, ques. 811
Brouillard, Mr. Joseph O. (Drummond and Arthabaska)
Burke, Rev. A. E., ques. 2079
Civil Service Classification, ques. 2181
Parliament Buildings
Commons Chamber floor, ques. 2894
Brouillard, Mr. Joseph O.-Con.
Parliament Buildings-Con.
Cost of heating plant, ques. 2896 Scaffolding, ques. 3079 Tower, ques. 2894 Roy, Mr. Gustave, ques. 1899 Victoriaville-Arthabaska branch line, ques. 4502
Buchanan, Mr. William A. (Lethbridge) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 121. Proposed general election and western representation, 121; personal attitude and Union Government -public unrest, freedom the cure, 122; profiteering-tariff-income tax, 123; national railways-Peace Treaty, 124 Budget, 2762. Tributes to Mr. Rinfret and Minister of Finance-paying war expenses by taxation, 2763; economy- tariff and cost of living, 2765; tariff and development of resources-favours tariff reduction-trade with transpacific countries, 2765 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3373-5 Farm labour for spring -work, ques. 800 Flour mills, small, ques. 799 Franchise Bill, 1588
Income and business profits taxes, ques. 806
Industrial disputes, 1979 Industrial Survey by Mr. Ponton, ques. 341
Irrigation, 3695-9
Natural resources development, 1032 Newspaper postage rate, 3353	,
One Big Union, ques. 409 Pensions and Re-establishment, 536 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 395 Rural mail route, 506
Seed Grain advances, ques. 321, ques. 674 Soldiers' settlement, 3223
Buckwheat. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Budget. See also Ways and Means Debate on, 2495, 2520, 2575, 2626, 2670, 2723, 2786, 2843, 2896, 2969 Amdt. (Mr. Fielding) neg., resolution agreed to, 3077-8
Arrangements for, and announcement, 2247, 2318, 2576, 2840, 3026, 3045 Date of, inquiry, 1047, 2126. 2247, 2778 Speech, 2476
Announcement as to date of, 2247 Inquiry for copies, 2626
Budget Resolutions, 2492. See also Ways and Means
Buffalo, Wainwright herd, 3283
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Peace Treaty, 9, ques. 316, 463
Resolution arid statement by Minister, 346; concurrence of Senate in, 1054 Buoys. See Marine Burbidge-Messines, ques. 2721
Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Admiralty Act Amdt. 3086 Apple barrels-Nova Scotia, 2018 Bankruptcy Bill, reprinting, 3265 Bills-Com.-reading of section by Chairman, 584
British Columbia Indians, 788-95 Business Profits Tax, public utilities, 3232-5
Cabinet changes, 447 Canadian National Railways
Construction and organization, ques. 510 Damage claims, delays, 886-7 Deficit, 886
Operation, suggested improvements, 888 Canadian Northern Railway
Port Arthur terminals, ques. 2012 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service
Classification-Arthur Young Co. 549 Holidays, 4262 Insurance, 1779
Naturalized British subjects, 510 Retirement, 3826-9, 4460 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3371 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3163 Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) 3082-5	[DOT]
Dominion arsenals. 3717, 3721-2 Eight-hour day, 452-8
Electricity and gas competition and taxation, 3106, 3110, 3113-7 Enterprise Foundry Company, ques. 2415 Export regulations, 3621 Franchise Bill Advance polls, 2000-1, 3874 Aliens, certificate, 2078, 2082, 2217 Canada Temperance Act 3865-6 Debate arrangements for. 1838, 2001 Disqualification of voters
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1814-9 " Election papers," 2023 Indians, 2055-6
Interpretation, 1986-8, 1989-91, 1994 Notices, 777
Oaths, administration of, 779 Proclamation, language of publication, 1829-31, 2273-7, 2281-2, 2291, 2305-6, 2308
Bureau, Mr. Jacques-Op*.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Returning officers, 1577-84, 1591-3 Public officials, 1790 Voters' lists,
Copies, procuring of, 2320 Provincial, adoption of, 2347, 2357-66, 3895
Franking privilege, 3763 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1491-3, 1505
Habeas Corpus. See under this title, Labrie Honey adulteration, 2315 House of Commons. See also under this title, Indemnity
King's Birthday adjournment, 3080 Lobbies, admission of strangers to, 1629 Saturday and morning sittings, 2783 Serjeant-at-arms department, 3094 Staff, classification, 4504, 4563-4 Two o'clock sittings, 3080 Housing expenditure, 3545-8 Icebreakers, 1598 lie Verte, 2111 Income tax Absentees, 3303 Indemnity of members, 3242-3 Part payment with return, 3253 Residence or investment outside Canada, 3250
Indemnity of members, 3096, 3853, 4073, 4450
Income tax and, 3242-3 Indian Affairs Dept., 3266-7 Indians
Destitute, relief for, 3275-6 Education of, 3278
Inspection and Sale Act Amdt.-Fruit. 2018
Penalties, 2019-21 Sections repealed, 2016 Judges' salaries, 3851-3 Labrie	Brothers, case of,	3296,	3847-50,
League	of Nations, 349
Loan Companies Act Amdt., 1776-8 Maple products, 796 Naval Service Dept.
Estimates-agreement	as	to debatemisunderstanding - compromise suggested, 4412Opium	and Drug Bill,	1621-2,	1630-3,
1636-8, 1703
Parliament Buildings construction, 1419-33 Parliamentary restaurant, 3095-6 Official list, 2842-3 Parliamentary translators, 3093 Petroleum and Naphtha Act Amdt. 1762
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Pictou harbour, 2188-9, 3491 Purchasing Commission, 1478, 4583 Questions, inquiry as to, 2126 Questions passed as orders for returns, 1743
Race track betting, 3431-2 Railway Act Arndt. (Jurisdiction), 2413 Registered postal rate, 3732-3 Ross Rifle factory, ques. 1898; ques. 2721, 3722
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3204, 4575 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3989, 4003 Soldier Settlement, 1685, 1702 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. 3337-8 Acetylene gas, 3796 Automobiles, 3597-9, 3793 Bank overdrafts, 3624, 3797-9 "Consumer'* how defined, 3794 Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3455 Refunds, 3629-31 Sales taxes, 3616 Sporting goods, 3571-2 Stamp taxes, 3627
Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3491, 355S
Steamboat Inspection, 1762-3
Stigma on members-personal denial, 547
Supply, interim vote, 754-5
Supreme Court Act Arndt. 2004
Technical education, 1761
Toronto letter carriers, 3424-25
Trust and Loan 'Company of Canada, 585
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3106-8
Bureau of Statistics, See Statistics Burke, Rev. A. E., ques., 2079 Burlington, Military Hospital, ques. 2519
Burnham, Mr. John Hampden (West Peterborough)
Adress in reply to Governor General's Speech. 66. Quebec and its "hour"- feeling developed by the war, 67; treatment of returned soldiers-cost of living, 6S; farmers and class movement- exchange rate and trade-industrial alcohol, the new motive power, 70; individual liberty-prohibition drop race and party cries, 71 Agriculture, problems of, 2400 Alien immigrants, 826
Budget, 2611. War policy and peace policy 

Liberal party and Farmers' party, 2611; land taxation and security of employment-unrest and how to be quieted, 2612; group government- soldiers and their dependents-the profit system of trade, 2613; the People's party, 2614
Burnham, Mr. John Hampden-Con.
Business profits tax-public utilities, 3235 Campaign Funds, 1182,
Res. prohibiting, 1216, 1224; withdrawn 1228;
Civil Service
Classification, 546 Reduction of pay, 3135-8 Retirement, 3830 Superannuation, ques. 920 Coal operations director, 317S, 3372 Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3652 Demonstration farms, 2391 Eight-hour day, 334-7 454-8 Contractual rights, 373-81 Farm labour, 1220 Farmers' organization, 1219 Farmers' Party and the Dept, of Agriculture estimates, 2399-2400 Federal Bureau of Education, 1389-90	_
Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1162 Aliens, 733, 2211 Contributions, 1182 Disqualification of candidates, 10S9 Enumerators, 3900 Notices, 778
Proceeding by information, 776 Proclamation-language of publication, 2286-7
Provincial lists, 3S8S, 3897 Recall, the, 2040 Fuel situation, 3178 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1487 Strike of 1910, 1540, 1565'
Honour of members-point of order, 1186 Income tax
Charities, 3245-6
Exemptions on account of children, 3300 Indemnity of members, 4069-81 Indians-enfranchisement, 4033 Industrial disputes, 2250 Labour-life not arithmetic, basis of reward, 389
League of Nations
Canada's status, 349, 353 Enforcement of decisions, 3975 Militia-cadet service, 3705 Naval service, 3516 Badges, 446 Old-age pensions, 3830 Oleomargarine, 60S Parliament Buildings, 1420 Peterborough, Gov employees in, ques. 542 Postmaster, ques. 342 Prices of fuel and other necessaries; res.
to fix time for full discussion, 321, 333 Prohibition, 1218, 1228
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Canadian National Railways-Con.
Coal purchases, 2380, 4251 Deficit, maintenance, 3-90-1 Estimates, discussion of, 4249, 4257 Extensions, 3380-1
Information, withholding of objected to, 1655, 1669 Insurance, 4257 Ties, 4250-1
Car shortage, 883, 886	^
Transcontinental, ques. 999 Civil Service, 3140, 3146-7 Bonus, slide masters, 1279.
Holidays, 4061 Colonization, 2399, 41S2 Dredging, 1619	.
Excise tax (10 per cent) 3467 Filing cases, 3155 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1935-43 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1071-2 Election expenses, 1932-3 Qualification of electors, 2243 Government annuities, 462-3 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition Bill, 1308, 1486, 1503 Arbitrators, 1047 Branch lines, 1314-7 Hanna, Mr. D. B., suit for libel, 2379 Housing, 3545-52
Soldiers, and, 3545-6 Indians
Enfranchisement, 4038-9 Lands, 3274
I-Capuskasing and Spirit Lake, 2398-2401
Militia, 3974-80
Oleomargarine, 959
Ottawa River conservation, 3779
Peat, ques. 671
Penitentiaries, purchasing agent, 3840 Post Office Department, 3740-1 Question-complaint of unsatisfactory answer, 1047
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3203 Royal Military College, 3153 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 584
Shipbuilding, 645, 3992, 4004, 4010-16 Special War Revenue Act Arndt.
Changes, when effective, 3338 Clothes, made to order, 4290 Statistical department, 3296 Steel and shipping merger, 1956-7, 4010 Timiskaming Lake, wharves, 2187-8, 3493 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585 Yukon Placer Mining, 3109
Calder, Hon. James A. (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)
Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine-withholding of information justified, 1671-4, 1683
Civil Service Retirement, 2178-9, 3824-40, 4062-8, 4460-6
Grievances and appeal, 4460 Conner, Mr. James, 419 Distressed Canadians abroad, 4559 Exhibition Commissioner, 4558-9 Franchise Bill
Advance Polls, 1938-40 Ballot boxes, expense of returning, 1927 Provincial lists, 3889 Voters' lists, 2423, 2434-7 Voting notwithstanding disqualification, 1825
Immigrants, landing of at Montreal and Quebec, 3226-8
Immigration and Colonization Department, 4556-9
Imperial ex-Service men coming to Canada, 387
Income tax-charities, 3248 Mennonites, 2179, 2248 Militia, permanent force, 3210 Pensions Bill Approved by Com. 4041 Canadian in French forces as reservist, 4048
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4045-6
Returned soldiers' insurance, 4054-6 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4012 Soldiers' dependents in Britain, 4556
Caldwell, Mr. Thomas W. (Victoria and Carleton, N.B.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 118. Union Government, 118; Production and Protection, 119; Farmers and Customs tariff-Board of Commerce, 120; Victoria and Carleton by-election, 121;
Budget, 2823. Ford car prices, 2823; Mr. Meighen on the tariff-the farmers' tariff policy, 2826; Mr. Fielding's amendment, 2827; the new taxes- export duty on newsprint, 2827; United [DOT] States' manufacturers and ,	Canadian prices, 2828; agricultural
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Canadian Explosives Company, 2247-S
Canadian Forestry Association, 3285
Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 622, ques. 921, ques. 921, ques. 996. See also *Canadian National Railways; Shipbuilding; Vessels.
Annual report, 2311 Answers to questions, 1649 Business statement 903, ques. 921, 950, 1630, 1677, 1681 .	'
Captains, ques. 1624
Civil Service Insurance-Naval Service, and, 1779-80
Coal, ques. 1115, ques. 1623 Crews, 641
Earnings, ques., 1359. See, unden- this title, Business
Freight rates, ques. 2009 Inland navigation and, ques., 2572 Insurance on vessels, ques. 1,511, ques. 2011 Loading and unloading, ques. 1623 Operation, 641-5 Freights, 646
Shareholders, directors, investment, ques. 2011 Vessels1
"Canadian Inventor," 3226, 3359 "Canadian Recruit," 648, ques. 1199 "Canadian Sealer," 649 Withholding of information debated, 1649
Canadian Government Railways. See Canadian National Railways
Canadian Manufacturers' Association
Appeal to Supreme Court, M. (Mr. Devlin) for papers, 321
Vessel rates, communication on, 1728
Canadian Mission in London, ques. 410
Canadian National Railways. See also Grand Trunk; Canadian Northern Brudenheim branch, 4250 Canadian currency and United States lines, ques. 341
Canadian Government Merchant Marine. See that title.
"Canadian Government Railways," defined, 4219
Canadian National Railway Company, 345 Car haulage cost, ques. 2313, ques. 2413 Car shortage-Transcontinental-ques. 999 Cars, 41S4
Chaudiere station, ques. 508 Coal purchases, 2380
Contracts-details, 4251-6
Canadian National Railways-Con. Colonization, 4182, 4197 Community centres, 4198 Construction betterments, 41S1-2 Construction and organization, ques. 510 Damage claims, delays, 887 Deficits, 4181, 4201, 4203 Demurrage, "bunched" cars, 4229 Duplication, 4196	\
Earnings, 4185
Eastern branch lines, 4247. See also that title under Reid, Hon. J. D.
Electric systems, ques. 1510 Engine repairs, ques. 3079 Equipment, 4185, 4191
District east of Edmonton, 4250 Express companies and, ques. 801 Finance, 4186
Fire insurance, ques. 1623 Grand Trunk Railway, 11, 37, 92, 866, 4579, Montreal, improved entrance, ques. 413 Hudson Bay Railway, 4231. See also that title.
Incorporation, ques. 2012 Information, withholding of, debated, 1649, 4195
Insurance, 4257 Intercolonial Railway
Moncton office, 4206, 4220, 4248 Pensions, ques. 313, ques. 509, ques. 589 Rivi&re Ouelle service, ques. 997-8 Inverness Railway, 4236-49 Mackenzie, Sir William and, ques. 1628 Mackenzie and Mann, 4184, 4191 Management and directorate, 4183, 4189, 4190, 4194
Ministerial statement by Hon. J. D. Reid 859. Passengers and freight, 860; operating costs, 861; labour conditions, S61; betterments, 861; construction programme, 1920, 863; rolling stock, S63; rates, 864; Grand Trunk, 866; Hudson Bay Railway, 867; Operating costs-details, 867-9 National Transcontinental, 4199 Car shortage, ques. 999 Champlain market site, motion, 2015 Rentals, ques. 1461
Official and private cars, ques. 409, 4220, 4247
Operation-goods imported from United States, ques. 998 Orangedale-Chetieamp, 4263 Political patronage, 4194, 4221 Prince Edward Island Railway, 891, 4210, 4245
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Indians, 2055-6, 2087-8 Misfeasance, etc.-penalty, 1074-5 Non-electors and non-residents, 784 Point of order-school system, 2283 Proclamation, language of publication, 2287-9, 2306
Returning Officers, disqualification of, 1073-4
Public officials, 1795-8, 1804-6 Telegraph, communications by, 1068 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1238, 1244-5, 1250-3, 1493-1500, 1505 Strike of 1910, 1549 Hurons of Lorette, 1152, 2014 Indemnity of members, 4080 Indian Reserves, ques. 802 Industrial Disputes Bill-objection to 3r., 2200
Intercolonial, Rivi&re Ouelle Service, ques. 597
International boundary surveys, 3294 Levis drill hall, 3727
Maple products-" sucre de fresne," 1255 Militia
Active militia, allowances, 3663-7 Annual drill, 3678-82
Natural resources of western provinces, 3293
Parliament Buildings-French reporters' room, 1425-9
Peace treaties and League of Nations, 347-66
Pictou harbour, 2186 Points of order
Franchise Bill, 2283 Militia estimates, 3667 Relevancy, Coekshutt, Mr., remarks of, 3672
Portland, shipments by, 653-5 Post Office Department, 3740 Purchasing Commission, 1474-5, 1484-5 Rural mail carriers, 1283-4 St. John river water-powers, 3291 San Remo Conference, 1465 Shipbuilding, 642 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4016-7 Supply, interim vote, understanding concerning, 754-6
War equipment-guns, 3662-4 Wharves, 2123
Canso, Marine Hospital proposed, 2255
Canteen. See War Cape Race, 2117 Capilano Bridge, 3778
Capital and Labour. See also Popular Unrest; Labour.
Readjustment of relations, 373
Capital Punishment. See Criminal Code
Caraquet and Gulf Shore Railway, 4217
Cardin, Mr. P. J. A. (Richelieu)
SS. " Three Rivers," ques. 1897 Sorel Government shipyard, ques. 2180
Carleton-Victoria
Election, 1223
Visit of Ministers to, ques. 409 Car Shortage. See Railways Carvel I, Hon. F. B.
Letter from-loading out of Fort William elevators, 565
Carvill, Mr. George, ques. 586, 4219, 4224
Casgrain, Mr. Pierre F. (Charlevoix-Mont-morency)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 71. Economy-anti-democratic policies, 72; prices, cost of living. Board of Commerce-production, 73; tariff-resignations from the Government, 74; proposed general election, 75; peace and work-the Liberal party, 76
Aliens in detention camps, ques. 314 Bankruptcy Bill, trustees, ques. 2414 Biggar, Mr. O. M., K.C., ques. 1462 Bilingual stamps, ques. 314 Board of Commerce, ques. 592, ques. 1740 Canners, 1045 Motion for papers, 2013-5 Price Brothers, 1789 Report, date of, ques. 2012 Budget, 2808. Grain Growers and Canadian manufacturers, 2809; the Government and Socialism-Liberal party's fiscal policy-new taxes, 2809; income tax-financial conditions, 2810; business profits tax-moving pictures- tariff, 2811; Board of Commerce, 2812; war profits-national unity, 2813 Business profits war tax, ques. 314, ques.
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Budget, 2814. Messrs. W.' C. Kennedy, Me-Coig and Pardee, and Canadian industries, 2S14; Ford ear prices, 2815; Farmers' platform, 2816; manufacturers and duties on animals, grain, coal, etc., 2817; boot and shoe industry-canning industry-"no trusts in free-trade England," 2818 ; present condition of British trade, 2819; iron and steel industry of Great Britain, 2820; United States and tinplate-"who pays the duty"? 2821; local conditions in Lincoln, 2S22; freight rates as a form of protection, 2-823
Food and Drugs Bill, 963 Income tax
Absentees, 3303 Shares of no par value, 3239 Newspaper postage, 3751-5 Welland canal employees, 3138-9
Charlevoix- Montmorency
Customs collections, ques. 588 Customs officers, ques. 415 Lighthouse keepers, ques. 319 Pensioners, ques. 994, ques. 1358 Postmasters and mail carriers, ques. 320 Public works, ques. 590, ques. 592 Wharf repairs, ques. 589
Chartered Banks. See Banks
Charters, Mr. Samuel (Peel)
Alien immigrants, 818
Departmental printing plants, ques. 1738
Cheese. See Dairy
Cheese Factories. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs	.
Cheques and Promissory Notes, taxes o'n, 2487
Cheticamp, life saving station, 2115
Chicoutimi, defaulters, ques. 409.
Child Labour, 368
Children and Income Tax, 2928, 3297
Chinese in Canada, ques. 805.
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W. (Inverness) Buoy service, 2116
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Captains, ques. 1624 Withholding of information, 1653 Canadian National'Railways, 4236 Orangedale-Cheticamp line, 4239 Canadian Wheat Board, ques. 801
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W.-Con.
Federal Emergency fund, ques. 998, ques. 1199
Grand Etang, 2114, 3779-80	-
Icebreakers, 1610 Illustration farms, 2390 Inverness railway, ques. 319, 4236 Lighthouses
Lighthouse Board, 2117-8 Lightkeepers' salaries, 2114 Margaree island, telephones, 2124 Marine department, 2121 Marine hospitals, 3554 Militia, headquarters staff, ques., 1511 Port Hood, 3159 Registration of shipping, 1614 Soldier Settlement, aid to fishermen, 1691 Wrecks, investigation, 1612
Chisholm, Col. H. A., ques. 3359
Chopped Feeds. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Choquette, Ex-Senator P. A., ques. 2572
Cimon, Mr., and Military Service Act. ques. 1461, ques. 1462
Cinematographic Films, tax on, ques. 3489. See also Moving pictures.
Civil Service. See also Civil Service Act Arndts. For departments see their titles Additions to, 2642, 2675, 2941, 3005, 3145, 3408
Analysts and inspectors under Food and Drugs Act, 964
Appointments-soldiers serving in Bermuda, ques. 1461 Bonus, 1269, 3228
Cheques, preparation of, 1280, 1285 Lightkeepers, 2110 Regulations, 1274
Salaries and, ques. 2079, ques. 2311 Telegraph operators, 2182 Classification, ques. 84, ques. 505, 675, ques. 997, 1292, ques. 1624, 3769. For classification of the several depts. see their titles Arthur Young Co. 592, ques. 1511 Effective from 1st April, 1919, 345, ques. 674
Experts and, ques. 2413 Inside service, 4019, 4172 Motions for papers:
Bthier, Mr., 592 Fripp, Mr., 544,
Secretary to executive, ques. 2181 Vote to pay increased salaries, 4546 Commission, ques. 997, 4563-7. For classification of the departments, see their
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Housing programme, ques. 707 Income tax, 3120, 3124 Charities, 3312
Exemptions on account of children, 3300 Incomes over $100,000, ques. 3490 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4435
Judges' salaries and pensions, 4425-6 McKenzie, Mr., and Liberal leadership, 898 Militia-active militia, allowances, 3666-7 Naval service, 4395-9 Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4381, 4389-90
Oleomargarine, 1785-6, 1848-53, 1855 Parliament Buildings, 1417, 1422-4, 1433 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3952
Committee-resignation of Mr. Peck, 2081-2
Public finance, economy in, 628 Point of order-Franchise Bill, 2223 Political prisoners, 1790 Race track betting, 3428-9 Saturday and morning sittings, 2783 Shipbuilding, 625, 647
Government programme ended, 905 Government vs. private ownership, 905 Profiteering, 898, 901 Subsidies, 899 Soldier Settlement, 2138 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Amendment, "Sales taxes," 3318, 3321-4 Changes proposed by Finance Minister, 3434, 34-38, 3443
Collection, machinery for, 3325-7 Methods of-refunds, 3334, 3434-51 Progress of-retailers not collecting, 3479-80
Debate of Bill, arrangements for, 3454-5 Drayton, Sir Henry, reply to, 344S Edwards, Mr., reply to, 3438 New taxes not "excise," 3316-8, 3321-4 Permanency of taxes, 3479 Returned soldier, exemption of-amdt (Mr. Lemieux) 3448 Steel and Shipping merger, 1948-54
Clements, Mr. H. S. (Comox-Alberni) Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3876 Recall, the, 2042
Skeena and Comox-Alberni, 3868 Voters' lists, 2434-
Fraudulent naturalization papers, ques. 4096 Opium and Drug Bill, 1755
Clements Mr. H. S.-Coh.
Soldier Settlement, aid to fishermen, 1692 Vessel rates-shortage of ships, 1717-8
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery. See that title under Dominion Franchise Bill
Coal. See also Director of Coal Operations. See also Industrial Disputes Edmonton Board of Trade resolution, 322 Inverness railway and, 4236, 4241 Prices, 321
Purchases by Government Merchant Marine, ques. 1115, ques. 1623 Supply of-M. (Mr. Lemieux) to adjourn House to discuss, 3685 'See also Railways, Car shortage
Coal Operations, Director of
Orders-in-Council, ratification of, 3360 Orders of laid on table, 3225
Coal Operations Director Bill; lr„ 3106; 2r., 3175; com., 3185; com., 3360; 3r„ 3690
Coasting Vessels. Sec Railway Commission; Railway Act Amdt
Cocagne, N. B. 3159
Ccckshutt, Mr. W. F. (Brantford)
Address in reply to Governor General's speech, 96. Parliament Buildings- Peace Treaty and League of Nations, 96; Christian Church and the Forward movement, 98; popular unrest; record of Union Government, 99; trade, Canadian National railways, 100; labour situation; farmers' movement, 101 prohibition, 102; Quebec and the trade question-general election, 100, 104 Budget, 2840. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2843; the new taxes, 2843; income tax-deficit on National Railways-West Indies, 2844; Mr. Devlin and outrages on negroes in United States, 28-45-; trad-e conditions, 2846; Canadian surplus, British deficit; Britian's national balance sheet; Canadian Merchant Marine-Mr. Fielding's policy when Minister of Finance, 2848; comments on other speeches. 2849; tariff parable of the farmers-United Farmers' platform, 2851; protection for farm products, 28-52; "implement of production," 2853, income tax defaulters, 2854; farmer candidates in Brant 

the labour man, 2S55; Canada and United States, competition in manufacturing, 2857
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Franchise Bill Advance polls, 1937-9
Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1514-0
Candidate's consent, 1095
"Ecclesiastics," 1077
Oath by elector, 1102
Personation, etc., 1159
Polls, hours to be open, 1921-3
Provincial lists, 3893
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4366
Returning officers, 1576-81 Voting, manner of, 1104 Government steamers, wages, 1599-1600 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1506 Icebreakers, 2105-7 Maple products, 1255 Parliament Buildings, ques. 705 Furniture, 1421, 1427-8, 1434 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3956
Pensioners resident outside of Canada, 4048-9
Widowed mothers, 429 Post Office buildings, 3160 Re-establishment
Fishermen and loans, 4048 Students, 4048
Sackville public building, 3150, 3158 St. John district pension office, 1742 St. John harbour-pilots, 2119-21 St. John river wharves, 2122-3 Scammel, Mr. J. K., 3784-5 Shipbuilding, 643, 660
Material, importation, ques. 1114 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4013 Special War Revenue Bill, 3329-30 Bank overdrafts, 3799 Sales tax, 3615 Tender and contract, 3160 West Indies, trade with, 1884
Copper, 4513
Copyright Bill, lr., 751-2
Corn. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Cost of Living. See High Cost. See also debates under Address; Budget: Board of Commerce
Coughlan Shipbuilding Company, 3360, ques. 3620
Courts, appeals from. See Supreme Court
Act
Courts Martial, ques. 1359
Cowan, Mr. Walter D. (Regina)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 224. Union Government an honest government-democracy and democratic measures, 225; tariff, balance of trade, 226; tariff and priceS7- income tax, 227; tax on unimproved lands-war-time elections Act, 228; naturalization of aliens-Board of Commerce, 229 Canadian Northern Railway
Willow Bunch, Wood Mountain- western extensions, 3379-82 Coal operations, director, 3178, 3191 Experimental farms, 2390 Franchise Bill	,
Aliens-certificate, 2085 Voters' lists, 2433
Provincial, adoption of, 2337-8, 2340-1 Indemnity of members, 4094 Last Mountain river dam, 3788-9 Natural resources development, 1021 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 390, 394, 3198
Scientific research, 2167 Superannuation of public employees, 394
Crerar, Hon. T. A. (Marquette)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 143. New Parliament building, 143; parliamentary government - League of Nations and Canada's status, 144; monetary exchange and trade, 145; natural resources and production - tariff - wheat production, 147; pulpwood-the "Agrarian " movement-by-elections, 148; luxury and income taxes, 149; immigration, 150; franchise and citizenship, 151; proposed general election, 152 Agriculture-federal and provincial control, avoidance of duplication, 2386-7 Bridges and the provinces, 3777-9 Budget, date of, 2126
Budget, 2896. Criticisms of Progressive group, 2896; government control in wheat not desirable-operations of farmers' business organizations- Timiskaming by-election and One Big Union, 2897; expenditure should be reduced-new taxes, 2898; business profits and income taxes-the tariff, 2899; the Government and protective tariff, 2900-Great Britain's fiscal policy-Britain and Germany, 2901; British trade and foreign investments *-tinplate industry, 2902; British industrial and social conditions, 2903;


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agriculture in Canada and Great Britain-inquiries into industries, 2905; result of the war, Britain and other countries compared, 2906; Canadian Council of Agriculture tariff policy, 2907; British tariff policy would apply advantageously in Canada- agriculture under disadvantages-textile industry, 2908; business combines and the tariff, 2909; Mr. Fieilding's amendment, 2910
Canadian Wheat Board, 4119, 4348-54
Cold storage, 2407-9
Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3166, 3400
Dairy industry, 2405
Dominion arsenals, 3719
Fox farming, 2410
Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2217, 2223 House of Commons
Audibility of debates, 2126, 2314 Two o'clock suggested as hour for meeting, 2781
Income tax-errors in returns, 3315-6 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4434 Judges' salaries, 3853 League of Nations, 4319-20 Militia-active militia-allowances, 3660, 3671-2
Mineral deposits Leases, etc., 3808-13 Tax on unused, 3810
Naval Service, additioinal appropriation, $1,700,000, 4319
Retirement of members of public service, 3834
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3206-7 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3995 Special War Revenue Act Amdt., 3332-3 Bank overdrafts, 3799-3800 Collection, method of, 3483
Amdt.-taxes to be collected at source, 3484-7
Cresse, Mr. L. G. A„ K.C., ques. 4502 Criminal Cases, appeals in. See Criminal Code
Criminal Code Amendment Bills:
1.	Capital punishment, lr., 308
2.	French version. lr„ 2571;	2r., com.,
3081; ref. to Spl. Com. 3106; 3r., 3488
3.	Firearms; Use of Documents not sworn
to; sexual offences; gambling; attempted rape; unlawful use of uniform; differences on appeal; Quebec
Criminal Code-Con.
change of venue; lr., 2840; 2r., com., 3410; 3r., 3427; Sen. amdts., 4414 For details of debate see Doherty, Rt.
Hon. C. J.
Criminals, alleged, removal from one province to another.
See Criminal Code
Cronyn, Mr. Hume (London)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech (Mover) 11. Parliament Buildings-Union Government-League of Nations, 12; thrift-public finance, 13; tariff commission 

 immigration - scientific research, 14; representation and government - re-establishment, 15; capital and labour-after-war condition, 16; race and religion-Canada, 17; Earl Grey's farewell message, 18 Income tax
Charities, 3311-4 Patriotic funds, 3244 Pensions Bill, 4043, 4050 Drafting in accordance with decisions of Com., 4041
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044
Widowed mother, dependent parent, 4043 Pensions and Re-establishment Com.
Peck, Mr., resignation of, 2081 Report; M. to adopt, 3922. History of pensions increase, 3923; changes and present state, 3927; insurance, 3928; war service gratuities-Re-establishment, 3930; work of Com. 3931; in reply-unanswered letter, explanation, 3957
Printing additional copies, 4321 Pensions, widowed mothers, M. (Mr. Power), 428
Returned soldiers' insurance, 4054 Scientific Research-Com., Special, report of, 2154
Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 585
Crothers, Hon. T. W. (W'est Elgin)
Civil Service
Retirement of members, 4063-6 Superannuation, 391-2, 4268 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3368, 3375 Food and Drugs Bill, 959-60 Franchise Bill
Chief Electoral Officer-Biggar, Mr. O.
M., appointment of, 4268-70 Returning officers, 1535, 1577-86 Voting notwithstanding disqualification,
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Grand Trunk strike of 1910 and pensions, 1126, 1349-51, 1541 Income tax Charities, 3247-8 Suggestions, 3122, 3126 Industrial disputes, 2192-6 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4334-8, 4420-3
Opium and Drug Bill, 1641, 1646-8 Postmasters' salaries, 4526 Race track betting, 3427 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 391, 394
Crowes Mr. S. J. (Burrard)
German and Austrian books, ques. 806 Shipping-sick and distressed mariners, 3104
Currency. See also Finance
Canadian, in United States, ques. 341 Copper-new one cent coins, 402, ques. 200-
Dominion notes and gold, ques. 588 Inflation, 107 Token money, 401 United States silver coins, 402
Currency Act Amdt. Bill (Coinage). Res. 399;lr., 402; 2r„ com., 460; 3r., 462
Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3641, 364S, 3652-6, 3706, 3708
Currie, Mr. John A. (North Simcoe)
Balance of trade, 4329
Budget, 3053. Reduced tariff protection, 3053; Liberal-Conservatives and the Budget-how to secure greater markets-"jug-handled" free trade, 3054; home market for beef-effect of cotton duty in United States-Canadian conditions before protection-3055; danger of increasing purchases from United States-indirect and direct taxation -luxury tax and key industries, 3056; free trade agitation sectional-protection needed for glass, chinaware, silk spinning-tinplate-'Canada's	opportunity and how to meet it, 3057; resources, population, wise and paternal government-injurious effect of free trade agitation, 3058; Liberals and manufacturers-luxury tax opposed- socialists influence, 3059; free trade and public revenues-Adam Smith on sales tax, 3060-;"Who pays the duty?"-a free trade Budget. 3061; "going to the country"-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3062; national policy approved-not pledged
Currie, Mr. John A.-Con.
Budget-Con.
to support present policy further than next session, 3063 Canadian National Railways Canadian Pacific Railway, and, 3384 Deficit-rates, 3382-3 Extensions, 3383 Political patronage, 4222-3 Coal operations, director, 3175-6 Franchise Bill
' Chief Electoral Officer, 1071-3 Disqualification of candidates, 1086 Naturalization-amdt. (Mr. Euler) to 3r., 4368-72
Polling divisions, 1520 Returning officers, 1530 Voters' lists, provincial, 2355-63 Franking privilege, 3356-8, 3762-7 Fuel Supply
Demurrage charges, 4328 Special powers for Railway Commission, 4327	'
Grain transportation charges,'2634 Grand Trunk strike and pensions, 1122, 1131, 1138, 4511
M. to restore pension status, 1122 House of Commons Staff, classification, 1041-4	-
Income tax
Deficits and losses, 3241 Patriotic and charitable funds, 3245-S Stock dividends, 323S Surplus revenues, 3252 Inland revenue, spirits, 3816 Luxury taxes-United States, in. 2528 National defence, 4303-5 Newspaper postage rate, 3351 Catalogues and parcels, 3356 Newspapers and propaganda, 437S Parliament Buildings,_ 1420 Pensions Committee Report, printing, 4321 Resignation of member of, 10S5 Printing, Joint Com. on, 4257-8, 4321-2, 4503-6
Quebec's ancient fortifications, 425-6 Sick and distressed mariners, 2236 Soldier settlement-fishermen, 3220 Steel and shipping merger, I960 Toronto
Letter carriers, 345 Militia property, '3728-31 Wealth, taxation of, 2527 Workmen's compensation Act and seamen, 2263
Customs. See also Customs Tariff Automobiles, smuggled, ques. 807
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Debt, National, ques. 309, 2478
DeCelles, Mr., 114, 210
Superannuation, 2968, ques. 3489
Dechene, Mr. Aime Miville (Montgomery) Budget, 2946. The new taxes, 2946; manufacturer® and their products, .2947; rural population and its problems- new ideas in farming-votes for experimental farms and for Department of Agriculture generally, 2948; demonstration farms and local demonstrators in Quebec-well-being of the farmer the country's safest asset, 2951 Butter and cheese grading, 599 Canadian National Railways Electric systems, ques. 1510 Express companies and, ques. 801 Civil Service Bonus, 7191
Classification, ques. 1624 Quarantine station operators, 1281 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3169-70 Food and Drugs Bill, 1258, 1262 Franchise Bill, fees-statement to be in box, 1927
French speeches in House, translation of, 703
Government employees at Sorel, ques. 1199 Government steamers, 1604-6 Grosse Isle, public *works, ques. 343, ques. 344
Maple products, 1255, 1258 Naval Service, 4406 Public loan, ques. 810 St. Lawrence dredge, 1616-20 St. Regis Indians, ques. 799 Toronto Eastern Railway, Toronto Suburban Railway, ques. 1004, ques. 2080
Defaulters. See Military Service
Delinquents. See Juvenile Delinquents
Delisle, Mr. Michel Simeon (Portneuf) Icebreakers, St. Lawrence channel, ques. 317
Demers, Mr. M. J. (St. Johns and Iberville) Bank interest, 992
Blue books, language in which published, ques. 992, ques. 1004
Budget, 2708. Balance of trade, 2708; cost of living-economy, 2709; protection and its effects, 2710; development of natural industries, 2711
Demers, Mr. M. J.-Con.
Bulgarian Peace treaty, ques. 316 Canadian Expeditionary Force, numbers, ques. 315
Commission of Conservation Engineer, ques. 1002 Town Planning Adviser, ques. 1002 Farmers' Account book, French edition, ques. 315 Franchise Bill
Polling divisions, 1517, 1520 Polls, hours to be open, 1920 Registrars, 720
League of Nations, Canada's contribution, ques. 316
Mines department, ques. 672 Naval Service, 4401-2 Newsprint Controller, ques. 315 Ottawa new public building, ques. 1002 Quebec city mail deliveries, ques. 591 Rural mail carriers, ques. 591 Smith, Mr. J. E., ques. 2722 Vancouver dry dock, ques. 316
Demobilization, 19, 53, 4550, 4556, 4585. See also War Bonds; Reconstruction; Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment
Demobilization Appropriation Bill. Res. 4137. (See War Bonds, Over-subscriptions.)
Demobilization Vote-Housing and, 3545
Denis, Mr. Jean J. (Joliette)
Budget, 3043. Late sittings of the House-* congratulations to Minister of Finance -tobacco duties, 3043; national emergency and the Budget-revenue and ' expenditure, 3044 Business of the House, state of, 3216 Canadian National	Railways-stations,
Criminal Code Amdt. (French version) 3083-4
Dairy industry, 2403 Exhibition Commissioner, 4558-9 Fertilizer, freight rates on, 2407 Food and Drugs Bill, 960 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1940-3, 3875 Ballots and ballot boxes, 1097, 1104 Deposit, 1093-5 Disqualification .
Candidates, of, 1088-9 Electors of-charitable support, those receiving, 1812-7. 1997 1812-7, 1997 Interpretation, 1987 " Candidate," 1985 " During an election," 1985-6
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Nomination,
Place of, 1092-3 Postponement of, 1096 Polling divisions, 1516-9 Reading of clauses in Com., 1919 Returning officers, 1528-30, 1574-5, 1585-8 Public officials, 1802-4, 1809 Votes for informal candidate, 1096 Voting on certificate, 1099-1100 Women voters, 2418-9
Married, names how listed, 1827, 3869 General election, deposits lost, ques. 922 Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill, 1303, 1317, 1357, 1435, 1442-3, 1449-50 Strike of 1910 and pensions, 1553 Gold shipment to New York, 181 Icebreakers, 1602 Income tax
Additional information, demand for, 3302 Checking returns, 3128 Multiplicity of laws, 3315 Overpayment, 3254
Those who did not make reports, 311S-21 Interim Supply Bill, 3216 Judges' salaries, 3851 Moving pictures, 3627 National defence, 4302 Naval Service, 4300-5 One-cent coin, ques. 2007 Parliament buildings, 1423, 1427 Railways-public ownership rates, 1442. 1449
Royal Military College, 3152-3 Scientific Research, 2162 Session of Parliament, time of, 3217 Shipbuilding, contracts, 894 Statutes, suggested revision, 3821 Supply, undue haste complained of, 4562 Supreme Court Act, 2389 Tobacco growing, 2383, 3819-20 West Indies Conference, 3860 Yukon, 3281-2
Departments of Government, reduction of,
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. George H. Boivin)
Rulings and Statements of ' Adjournment-order to be maintained, 1838	*
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Rulings and Statements of-Con. Language-Con.
"Knows that the statement' he has made is untrue" 3549 "You are trying to fool someone," 35t50 Matters sub-judice-Labrie brothers, 3849 Members
Honour of-insinuation, 1186 How to be referred to, 2831 -"the hon delegate" 2032'
Interrupted, but address not completed, holds the floor, 3520 Recognition of by the Chair, 2756 Whips' list of names, 3045 Resume seat when Chairman rises, 2042 Right to speak exhausted, 871, 1718, 30&6
Motion to adjourn debate negatived, 2951
.	Speaking, may not interrogate others,
Statement of, to be accepted, 1224, 2291-2, 2334
To keep the floor, must speak, 2242 Motions
Involving charge upon public revenue, 1513, 3587, 4052
Non-debatable-Com. rise, etc., 1044, 1082, 1585, 3617 Seconder not needed, 3587 To be in writing, 1263 Mover to close debate, 333, 419, 553, 1225, 3837, 3403
Indemnity of members-Sir Robert Borden, 4454
Negative motion, 1264, 1915 Nothing before the Chair, 1597 Notice of motion passed over, afterwards called, 793 Point of order
May be discussed, 2032 Right of member to raise, 1183 Previous debate, 1397, 1677-8 ,	Privilege-question not to be raised, 291S
Quorum, count of members, 964 Relevancy, 394, 645, 648, 656-7, 864, 915, 985, 1060, 1313, 1317-8, 1692, 3140, 3401, 3474, 3491, 3545, 3627, 3663, 3667, 3849, 3996
Appeal (Mr. McMaster) from ruling, 1327
Budget resolutions, 3338 Canadian National Railways Bill, 33845
Car shortage, 1317
Doherty, Mr., and Irish question, 1496 "Excise" taxes, 3318 Explanation and request for instructions-Special War Revenue Act
Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con. Relevancy-Con.
Amdt. Bill, 3455
Franchise Bill, 1064, 1071-3, 1176, 1196, 1197-8,	1932,	1935,	2223-31,	2294,
2327, 2334
Amdt suggested, not moved, 2337-8 Canada Temperance Act, 2053 Documents re-read, 2294 Personalities, 2048-50 Reconsideration of clause, 1997 St. Johns election, 2239 Schedule, discussion of, 1999 School system, 2283 Sermon, 1077
Gould, Mr., election of, 2038 Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill Section and schedule considered together, 1435 Strike of, 1910, 4511 Judges' salaries and indemnity of members, 3853 Militia estimates, 3656 Appeal (Mr. Cannon), not sustained, 3663-5 Militia-
Coekshutt, Mr., remarks of, 3673 Peck, Mr., remarks of, 3669 Tweedie, Mr., remarks of, 3667-9 Opium and Drug bill, 1746 Post Office, 3742-4, 4531 Reference allowed as for comparison, otherwise out of order, 3492 Unanimous consent to disregard rule, 2105-
Ways and means, 915 Repetitions, 2286 Resolution, error in, 3628 Saturday night-time of adjournment, 4320
Six o'clock interrupts debate-procedure, 1034
Special War Revenue-questions, opportunity for, 3631
Suggestions to facilitate debate, Special War Revenue, 3564
Supply-motion for, limits of debate on, 872
Supply-reverting to previous item, 4565 .	Taxation-request for statement by Minister, 3597
Unanimous consent, 796, 1692, 1999, 2023, 2389, 3315, 3565 Latitude in debate, 2105 Reverting to former clause of bill, 1061 Stacey, Mr., on Indian Act Amdt., 4021 3r., of Bill immediately after amdt. in Com. 1256
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Mail carriers, ques. 343 Quebec arsenal, ques. 3862 Desjardins, " Ti-Noir," ques. 315 Deslauriers, Mr. Hermas (St. Mary)
Batiscan river, ques. 1230 Board of Commerce, M. for abolition, 1139 Budget, 3072. Workingmen and taxes, 3072; Minister of Labour and labour policy, 3073; present social upheaval-central labour exchange-distribution of Government contracts, 3074; employment insurance and health protection-stick together, 3075
Enemy aliens, naturalization, ques. 992 Montreal wharves, ques, 674 Proportional representation, ques. 803 Destroyers. See Naval Service Detention Camps, ques. 314
Detroit River
Liquor patrol, 2107, 2118
Devlin, Mr. Emmanuel B. (Wright)
Civil Service Bonus, 1270-3 Classification, 1272 Coal Operations Director, 3177 Food and Drugs Bill, 959, 1259, 1268 Franchise Bill
Corrupt practices, 1161 Disqualification of candidates, 1085-6 Non-electors and non-residents, canvassing, 772, 78-5 v Public officials, 1802 French speeches in House, translation of, 700
Georgian Bay Canal, 914, 3177 German war payments, ques. 310 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1300-1 Honey adulteration, 798 House of Commons staff organization, 567, 7 5'3, 1040
Indemnity of members, 4091
Indian lands, '790-1
Inquiry concerning questions, 2416
Devlin, Mr. Emmanuel B.-Con.
Jellicoe, Admiral Viscount, visit of, ques. 310
Manufacturers, aid to in appeals, 321 Natural resources,-Wright county, 3813 Naval Service, 707-9 Orders in Council, Government by, 2020 Peace treaty, 1060-1
Railway cars-Canada and the United States, 88H-2 Returned soldiers, 538 Shipbuilding, 914
Expenditure, how to be met, 917 Special War Revenue Liquor cabinets, smokers' cabinets and tea wagons, 3793 Tooth washes, 3793-4
West Indies-outrages on blacks in the United States, 2845-6
Director of Coal Operations. See Coal Operations
Distressed Canadians, relief of, 4559
Distressed Seamen. See Canada Shipping Act
Distribution Office, 1037 Divisions. See House of Commons Divorce, 134
Divorce in Ontario and Prince Edward Island Bill, lr., 1573
Divorce Cases
Remission of fees, 4321, 4413 Documents, not sworn to. See Criminal Code
Doherty, Rt. Hon. C. J. (Minister of Justice) Administration of Justice, 3840-51
Labrie Brothers, case of, 3227,	3295,
M. (Mr. Casgrain) for papers, 2014 Admiralty Act Arndt., 2842, 3086 Board of Commerce
Constitutional questions, 3685 Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4476 British North America. Act, 4168-70, 4379 Motion for papers, 811-2 Campaign funds, 1227 Canada's national status, 474 Criminal Code Amdt (French Version) 2571-2, 3081-5
Criminal Code Amdt. Bill, 2840, 3410-3 Affidavit, pretended, 3414-5,
Marriage licenses, 3415 Age of consent, 3415 "Appeal Court " defined, 3410 Arrest on summoning of person outside province, 3417-8
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Courts of appeal-Supreme Court, appeal to, 3422-3 Firearms-weapons, 3410-15 Gambling, 3415-6, 3427 Petty thefts and jury trial, 3421 Quebec, change of venue, 3420-1 Race-track betting, 3427 Re-election by prisoner, 3419-20 Saskatchewan and Alberta, appeals in summary convictions, 3418-9 Senate amendments, 4414-collectors of fares, 4415
Sexual offences, 3416 Uniforms, etc., unlawfully worn, 3417-8 Criminal trials
Motion for papers re, 2015 Eight-hour day, 454
Exchequer Court Act Amdt., 2003, 2201-4 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2064-73, 2233-4 Canada Temperance Act, 2053 " Ecclesiastics," 1076
" Hours of the day," " standard time," 1994	*
Misfeasance-penalty, 1074-5 Pollbooks to returning officer, 1078-80 Franking privilege, 3762-8 Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill, 1298, 1316-21
Loans-amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 1536 Ratification of agreement, 1323-4 Strike of 1910, 1134, 1542, 1545, 1547-53 Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) 1351 Habeas Corpus. See under this title Administration of Justice Internment cases, 4517-8 Irish question, 1496
Judges' salaries, pensions, 3228,	3851.
4331-41, 4417-23 Juvenile Delinquents Act, 2842 League of Nations
Canada and the Empire, 484 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1232 Military Service Branch, 4516-8 Naturalization
Alien enemy origin, 3920-1 Alsace-Lorraine, 3921 Certificate not issued, 3919 Oaths, administration of, 3919 Naturalization Act Amdt. Bill, 3682, 3915-21, 4416
Revocation of certificate, 3915-9 Newspaper postage rate, 3351 Pecuniary Claims Commission, 3858 Penitentiaries, 3409-10, 3858 Alberta, 3855-7
Doherty, Right Hon. C. J.-Con. Penitentiaries

Con.
Dorchester, 3855
Portsmouth, appointments pending, 568 Purchasing agent, 3840, 3854-5 Penitentiary Act Amdt., 2848, 3409-10 Pension as ex-judge, 298-9
Personal position in relation to pension, 4423
Purchasing Commission, 4582-3 Quebec riots of 1918, 1211 St. James by-election, 707, 787 St. Peter river, floods, 859 Shipbuilding, contracts and tenders, 664-6 Stoneham, the	late	Finlay, 568Supreme	Court	Act	Amdt., 2003-4, 2315-8,
Supreme Court reports, 3855
Washington, Canadian minister at, 2469-73 '
Dominion Alliance, 807
Dominion Arsenals, Quebec, 3717, ques. 3862
Dominion Canners, ques. 415. See also Board of Commerce
Dominion Franchise Bill, lr., 338, 2r., 710; 756-775; com., 775, 1061; 1085; 1103, 1152,	1160,	1165,	1175, 1512, 1574,	1790,1916,	1985,	2023,	2082, 2204, 2267,	2269,2318,	2417,	3864,	4264; 3r., 4379
Arndts.-recorded divisions;
1. By-elections; 2. Provincial lists;
3.	Naturalization; 4. Propaganda;
5. Publicity of contribution, 4360-79 Debate of Bill, arrangements for, 1072, 1166, 1198, 1837, 1944-5, 2417, 2430-2, 3901
Com. on forms, 2001 Non-contentious clauses, 776 Printing, copies of Bill, 704 Statement as to additions, 582 Translation into French, 1061 Sections and subjects discussed:
Accidents and errors-provisions in case of, 1110
Advance polls, 1162, 1933, 1998. 3864, 3873, 4271 List of, 3875
Agents and officers to vote, 1918 Aliens, 340. See also that title Certificate, 2057, 2082, 2204 Amdt. (Mr. Euler) neg. 2224 Amdt. (Mr. Pardee) moved 2225-6, neg. 2242
Amdt. to 3r. (Mr. Euler) 4369; neg. 4373
Armed strangers, 1108 Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1513. 4269-70
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Sections and subjects discussed-Con. Ballots, 1097
Counterfoil and, 1103, 1104 Counting before opening of poll, 1101 Forgery or destruction of, 1098 Form of, black border, 1168 Not to be displayed, 1103 Ballot boxes, 1097 Custody of, 192S Returning, 1927 " Blocking the poll," 1827 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1156
By-election, simultaneous, 1090-1
Arndt. (Mr. Fielding) 4359-60 to 3r. Campaign funds. See under this title Contribution
. Canada Temperance Act, 1166,	1943,
2052, 3864 Candidates,
Consent, 1095 Withdrawal of, 1096 Canvassing by outsiders, 772, 786 Chief Electoral Officer, 339, 1070, 1075, 4264
Remuneration of-res. 4136 Report as to working of law, 1110 Salary, 1512, 4516 To retain papers, 1111, 1928 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1069, 1198
Compulsory voting, 1062-4 Contributions, 781, 1169, 1930 Publicity of, amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie
King), 4272; amdt. (Mr. McMaster), 1171; neg. 1198; amdt. (Mr. Maharg) to 3r., neg., 4373
Conveyance of electors to polls, 786, 1061 Corrupt practices-disqualification, 1160 Counting and reporting vote, 1109 Definitions, 775 Deposit, 1091, 1095 Deputy returning officers, 1074 Disfranchisement, 731, 735, 738, 746, 748, 750, 757, 763, 765, 768 Disqualification-See also under this head, corrupt
Candidate, of, 108'5, 4271 Electors of, 1996
Charitable aid. those receiving, 1812 Criminals, 1820
Returned soldiers exempted from, 1811, 1820
Voting notwithstanding, 1824 "Ecclesiastics," 1070, 1076 Election clerk, 1073, 1515-6 Election expenses. 1152, 1929. See also under this title Contributions
Dominion Franchise Bill-Con.
Sections and subjects discussed-Con. Election expenses-Con.
Advertising, 1930
Proposal that Dominion treasury pay, 1197
Publicity of, 747 Return of by agent, 1155 Election officers, 1918 Fees and expenses, 3867, 4270 Taxation of, 1111, 1152 Persons disqualified for, 1075 "Election papers,' 1928, 2023 Election return, 1110, 1928 Executory contracts void, 781 Expenses
Accounts, taxation of, 1929 Former general elections, 728 Or wages of voter, payment of forbidden, 1064 Personal, 1991 False, oath-penalty, 781 False statements-made to effect election, 1065
Fees, statement to be placed in box, 19267
Forms, 1166, 3868
Hindus who were soldiers, 1812, 1821 Interpretation, 1943	. [DOT]
"Advance Poll," 1943 "Candidate," 1943, 1985 "During an election," 1985 "Election officer," 1987 "Elector," 198S
"Hours of the day"-"standard time," 1988, 1994
"Dist of voters," 1989 "Member," 1989 "Official agent," 1991 "Rural Polling Division," 1991-2 "Urban polling division," 1991 "Voter," 1993 Judges and elections, 721 Jurisdiction, 712, 725, 761 Married women's names-how listed, 1827, 3869, 4272 Misfeasance-penalty, 1074 Names not on list, 1926^ 3877 Nomination of Candidates, 1090 " Electors " how defined, 191G Place of, 1092 Postponement, 1096
Non-electors and non-residents, canvassing, 784-6 Notices, 777, 1169 Oaths, 779-81, 1102
Ontario;, election laws amdt act, effect .of, 3880-98
Ontario provincial voters' lists, 3880
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Dominion Franchise Bill-Con.
Sections and subjects discussed-Con. Orders In Council, repeal of, 776 Orientals, 1811, 1820
Paid propaganda-amdt. (Mr. McMaster) to 3r„ 4374
Peace and good order, 1105 Liquor, 1108 Penalties, 1160
Personal registration of voters, rules for, 3901, 3907 Rules, 4272 "Plugging," 2350
Political contributions. See under this title Contributions.
Poll books to returning officer, 1078 Polls
Hours to be open, 1919 Pencil provided, 1102 When to be held, 1101 Polling divisions, 1516, 1811, 1995 Polling place-parties present, 1098, 1102 Additional, 1826	,
Population and status of place, 2320 Present laws, insufficiency of, 710, 724 Printers' name, 779
Proclamation-language of publication, 1918, 2267, 2277, 1828, (Amdt) Mr. Tur-geon, 1834
Mailed to postmaster, 1080 Notices, etc., 2319 Provincial) lists
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4363; neg. 4366 Jurisdiction, 339, 3889 Qualification of electors, 1811, 4271. See also under this title Aliens Indians, 2055 Recall, the, 2023-5
Amdt. (Mr. Tweedie) 2023-5, neg. 2052 Recount by Judge, 1110'
If judge fails to act, 1110 Registrar and enumerator, 1096 Registrars, 720, 728, 3899
Public officers, choice of, as, 722 Registration of voters Interrogatories, 1167 Removing, notices, 779'
"Residence," 1159 Returning officer, 720, 759
Civil Service Commission, proposed appointment by, 1809 Duty on receipt of writ, 1516 Further duty of, 1096 Oath of, 1166-
Rules for personal registration amdts. 3901
Rural municipalities* 339 Schedules, 1166
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Counting and reporting vote, 1109 Oath by elector, 1102 Polling divisions, 1517	,
Polls, hours to be open, 1924 Returning officers, 1584'
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1458 Rulings and statements as Chairman Bills, printed in- both languages, 3251 Soldiers Settlement Act-cattle branding, 1698
Special War Revenue Arndt. Bill Bank overdrafts, 3798 Candy, 3592 Carpets and rugs, 3585 Hats, 3453
Jams and marmalades, 3796 Underwear, 3453-4, 3567
Douglas, Mr. John C. (Cape Breton South and Richmond)
Coal purchases by Canadian Merchant Marine, ques. 1115
Drayton, Hon. Sir Henry (Minister of Finance)
Auditor General's report, 458, 2179, 2390 Belgium, proposed credit, 583 Bonds, tax-exempt, 3339 Budget, inquiry as to, 1047 Budget, the, 2476. Exports and imports (aggregate trade) 2477; national debt, 2478; inflation, 2479; trade with Great Britain and with United States, 2481; revenue and expenditure, 1919-20 and estimated for 1920-1,	2483; Grand
Trunk acquisition, 2484; luxury taxes, 2486; motor cars, liquors, sales, stamps, moving pictures, 2487; income tax, 2488; business profits tax-customs war duty removal, 2489; tariff, 2490; resolutions, 2492 Business profits war tax, 3111-7, 3229-37 Public utilities, 3230-7 Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine-withholding of information justified, 1679-80 Civil Service Bonus, 1269-71, 1279-89 Slide masters, 1279 Insurance, 1054-6, 1779-81 Retirement fund, 459-60 Currency (coinage) 399, 401 Exchange and, 461 Currency Act Arndt., 460-2 Customs Tariff Act Arndt. Bill, 3110-1, 3174
Drayton, Hon. Sir Henry-Con.
Demobilization. See under this title, War Loans
Gas and electricity, tax, 3111-4 Gold shipment to New York, 181 Government annuities, 402-6, 462-3 Income War Tax Act Amdt. Bill, 3118-28, 3237-55, 3296, 3316, 4288 Absentees, 3303 Accounting period, 3305-8 Additional information, demand for, 3302
Beneficiaries, 3309
Canadian Pacific Railway Company, and, 3306 Charities, 3313 Consolidation of laws, 3315 Deficits and losses, 3240-1, 3297 Delinquents, disputable assessments, 3118-27
Distraint of goods, 3304 Dividends, when liable, 3305-6 Earned and unearned incomes, 3309-10 Errors in returns, 3315-6 Estate accumulating in trust, 3243, 3309 Exemptions on account of children, 3297 Five per cent added, 3251-2 Graduated tax, 3126 " Householders," 3249, 3315 Indemnity of members and, 3306, 3310-1 Installments, 3301, 3253 Partnerships, 3252 Part payment with return, 3253 Patriotic and charitable funds, 3244-8, 3309
Penalties, 3303 Pensions, 3253 Refunds, 3301
Residence or investment outside Canada, 3249-51
Retroactive provision, 3304 Returns, 3253-4
Forms, in French, 1085, 1573 Stock dividends, 3238-40 Tax Bills delayed, 3125 Interim Supply Bill, 3215-8 Kingston Harbour works, 459 Loan Companies Act Amdt., 1776-1779 Mint, the, 615-6, 798 Newsprint shortage, 2967-8 Returned soldiers' insurance, Senate amdts., 4466
Returns and questions, 753 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 583-4
Session of Parliament, time of, 3217 Shipbuilding, cost of-not another popular loan, 917
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Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3988-4017, 4155-68 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Administration-cards	of directions,
3480, 3791
Amdt. (Mr. Crerar). Taxes payable at source, 3483-7 Auctions, 3575 Automobiles, 3597, 3793 Bank overdrafts, 3624-5, 3798-3800 Beer used to make vinegar, 3604 Binder twine, 3623 Boats, canoes, etc., 3588-92 Boots, 3563-3585 Breakfast foods, 3795 Bric-a-brac, 3576	i
Candy, 3592-4 Caps, 3566, 3790 Carpets and rugs, 3585 Chandeliers, 3578
Changes made in resolutions, 3345 Clark, Mr. M„ reply to, 3442-5, 3449 Date of coming into effect, 3607, 3629 Defended-precedent of 1896, 3444 Duties paid before, 3624 List and explanation, 3561-2 Chewing gum, 3594 Clocks and watches, 3574 Clothes, 3564, 4289-90 Collection,
Method of, 3465-8, 3458-9 Progress of-retailers and collections, 3479
" Consumer," how defined, 3795 Containers, 3633-4 Curtains, 3578
Debate of, arrangements for, 3454-6 Dresses, except silk, 3587 Duties paid before changes, 3624 " Excise and sale " and luxury taxes, 3316, 3319-20, 3465-8 Amdt. (Mr. Lemieux), exemption of returned soldiers, 3447 Explanation and answering of questions, 3326-35 Firearms, 3595, 3793 Food, 3616, 3795 Fountain pens, etc., 3577-8, 4289 Furniture, 3575-6
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3597 Glass, cut, 3569
Imports and manufactures, 3566 Instructions issued, 3791, 3480 Jams and marmalades, 3796 Jewellery, 3578-85 Licenses, 3581 Medals, 3585
Wedding rings, 3584, 3797
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Special War Revenue Act-Con.
Lace, 3792-3
Lace and braid, 3574
Licenses, 3606-8, 4290
Small manufacturers, 3797 Liquor cabinets, smokers' cabinets and tea wagons, 3793
Merchandise not delivered on May 19, 3613
Moving pictures, 3627-8
Musical instruments, 3595-6, 3628-9
Oriental rugs, 3577
Overcoats, 3586
Paragraph by paragraph, consideration, M. 3487-8
Peas (split), etc., 3795 Penalties, 4290 Permanency of taxes, 3479 Plated ware, 3572 Playing cards, 3599-4000 Prices, how arrived at, 3790 Promissory notes, 3624 Proprietary medicines, 3600-6 Purses and pocketbooks, 3568 Real estate sales, 3796 Refunds, 3607-8, 3629-31 Ribbons, 3574 Sales taxes, 3608-17, 3794 Foods, 3616-7
Manufacturers' agents, 3610 Senate amendments, 4505-6 Silk fabrics, 3572-3 Silk kimonas, etc., 3790 Silk waists, 3632 Silksv 3563
Spirits and medicated wines, 3600, 3793 Sporting goods, 3569-72 Stamps, 4290 Stamp taxes, 3627, 3801 Stock transfers, 3625-6, 3800 Stockings, 3567 Tobacco pipes, 4289 Toilet ware, 3576 Tooth washes and powders, 3794 Underwear, 3568 Wedding rings, 3797 Wheat meal, 3796 Supply
Interim vote, 754-6
Taxation of mutual insurance companies, 2080
Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586 Trust Companies, 855 Trust Companies Act Amdt., 1779 Victoria Shipowners (limited) 4584 War loans-oversubscriptions, 4137, 4180-1, 4287-8
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Vancouver, B.C., ques. 316, ques. 36.20 Victoria, B.C., ques. 3619
Duff, Mr. William (Lunenburg)
Archibald, Col. Grassie, ques. 2007 "Canada," steamer, ques. 1230 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, Ques. 996
Income and expense, 623 Information withheld, policy opposed, 1676, 1681
Canadian navy, ques. 540
"Canadian Recruit," steamer, ques. 312
Cape Race, 2117
Charlottetown fish hatchery, ques. 313 Civil Service Insurance, 1054-5 Retirement fun<J, 459-60 Dredging, 3783-4 Extension of trade, 1884 Firearms-licenses-ship-captains, 3411 Fisheries	[DOT]
British Columbia, 3534 Department, estimates, 3521-5 Development of, M. in favour, 839 Food inspectors, 3539-41 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1164, 1933-6, 2001
Peace and good order, 1107 Voters' lists, provincial, 2333-7 'Govt, steamers, crews, wages, 2112-3 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, branch lines, 1318-9
Halifax marine agency, 2110 Hanna, Mr. D. B. and Canada Steamships, Limited, 1742
Health Department and Civil Service Commission, 3543
Hdhsing expenditure, 3550 Icebreakers, "Montcalm," 2112 Ice conditions, Atlantic coast, 2105-7 International Fisheries Commission, ques. 811
Liquor shipments and Marine Dept., 2108 Lunenburg, registrar, 2108-10 Margeson, Mr. J. W., ques. 1036 Marine hospitals, 3554 Masters and mates, 569, 984-6 Naval defence
Newfoundland, position of premier of, 3499
Naval service, 3516-20, 4395
Duff, Mr. Wm.-Con.
Naval Service. .Con.
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 44012, 4291-9 Badges, 437-446 Department
Baliantyne, Hon. Mr, statement as to leader of Opposition, 4412 Salaries, 4409
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., ques. 3618 Oleomargarine, 1865
Pensions Board employees and soldier organizations, ques. 1116 Pictou harbour, 2184-89*, 3493 Wharfage dues, 2189 Pilotage, 2120-1
Public buildings-payments, 3724 Roumania, shipments to, ques. 312, ques. 343
St. Lawrence river power development, ques. 1120, ques. 1230
Shipbuilding and Canadian Government Merchant Marine,_ 632, 641, 646 Expense and income, 904-6	[DOT]
Government ownership, 906 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4001-8, 4148-51, 4159-67
Sick and distressed mariners, 2256-58, 2260 Skeena river hatchery, ques. 412 Soldier settlement, ahd fishermen, 1690 Special War Revenue Act Amdt Bill, 3466 Bank overdrafts, 3625 Collection, method of, 3478-80 Motor boats, canoes, etc., 3588-90 Musical instruments, 3595 Staff, estimated, 3478 "Stanley," steamer, ques. 312 Steamboat inspection 1051-2, 1763-75 West Indies, 1885
Duncan, Mr. Walter, ques. 1117, ques. 2720 Dupont, Mr. Joseph, ques. 590 Du Tremblay, Mr. P. R. (Laurier-Outremont)
Allies conference at Ostend, 2476 Budget, ^3063. New taxes and high cost of living, 3063; income tax-revenue needs as argument for new taxes*-tariff commission, 3064; shipbuilding-the German war indemnity, 3065; England after the war-congratulations to Minister of Finance, 3066 Franchise Bill "Candidate," 1985 Proclamation-two languages, 1082 Newspaper postage, 3760 Ottawa city, agreement with, 988 Parliament buildings, 1427 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4005, 4009 War indemnity-Canada's share, 10S4


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Peace conference declaration, 18*88. Prices; peace not yet established; production, increase of needed; consumption, increase of; inflation of currency; profiteering; thrift; credit, difficulties in; co-operatioii of all classes needed; conclusions, summary of
Economic Development Commission, ques. 1896	,
Editorial Committee, 4322. See also Printing Ffench member necessary, 4503-5
Edmonton
Alberta penitentiary, 3855, ques. 2777
Post Office, 4518
Deputy postmaster, ques. 17*39 Papers, motion for, 1900 Money parcel lost, ques. 412, 923
Edmundston
Post office and customs, ques. 2722
Education. See also Technical Education; Schools
Aliens, of, 819, 822
English speech among the foreign-born, 814
Federal Bureau of, 826
M. (Mr. Edwards) in favour of, 1362
Methods of, 820
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley (Frontenac)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 135. Reply to Mr. W. F. Maclean, 135; vacancies and by-elections, 13*6; Aasiniboi'a by-election-absence of Prime Minister, 137; cabinet representation

Hon. Mr. Blondin, 138; French-Canadians and Hon Mr. Blondin-Wartime elections act, 139; Military Voters Act and its effect on election, 140; Opium, Hon. Mr. Mackenzie King and, 141; Hearst papers, 142; Quebec and its "hour," 142
Aliens
Immigrants and Canadian citizenship, 826
" Suckling traitors," 732
Budget, 2723. Tariff inquiry and revision, 2723; Liberal party and tariff, 2724; comparison of party records on the tariff, 2725; tariff amdts. of Mr. McMaster and Mr. Fielding, 2728, 2732; Mr. M. Clark and tariff proposals, 2729; Great Britain and protection- fiscal matters and prices in 1909, 2730; reciprocity, 2731; rural depopulation, 2733; Canadian agriculture and United States markets and competition, 2734; Mr. Crerar and the farmers, 2737;
Edwards, Mr. John Wesley-Con.
Budget-Con.
Grain Growers' Grain Company, etc., 2738; protection not for a section, but for the country, 2739 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service Holidays, 4059 Senate staff, 4059
Clark, Mr. M., record and views on free trade, 2729, 3436-8 Farmers' party, 610
Federal Bureau of Education, 826, 1362, 1384-5, 1396, 1400 Franchise Act, 733 Aliens-certificate, 2231, 2245 Contributions-Assiniboia expenses, 1187 Proclamation, language of publication, 1831-2, 1836, 2280-4, 2288-91, 2295 Recall, the, 2030-4, 2039-42 Assiniboia 1180-1, 1186 Registration-interrogatories, 1168 Returning officers, public officials, 1793 Grading export butter and cheese, 592, 609 Hearst publications, 142, ques. 993, 1290 Income tax Charities, 3312
Exemptions on account of children, 3297-3300
Inspector at Kingston, ques. 2181 Indemnity of members and salaries of, ministers, 4083
Lighthouses and keepers, 2114 Military training, 3713 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3671 Cadet service, 3712 Musical instruments, tax on, 3595 Oleomargarine, 597, 612, 1782-7, 1849-73 Pensions and re-establishment, 3941
Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4047-9
Widowed mother resident outside of Canada, 4047
Portsmouth penitentiary, vacancies in chief positions-Stoneham case, 568 Press gallery reporters, 4503 Race track betting, 3430 Rural mail carriers, 4525 Shipbuilding contracts, 666-7 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4011 Soldier settlement, 1688-89 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill, 3319, 3339
Changes proposed by Finance Minister, 3436
Stoneham, Finlay, deceased convict, 568 The Menace, ques. 1899 Timiskaming election, 1188
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Aliens and franchise, 340. See also under this title, Franchise; Naturalization Belgium, proposed credit to, 582 Canadian National Railways, mail contracts and, 4530 Civil Service bonus, 4547 Eight-hour day, 357, 383!
Jurisdiction, dues. 500 Franchise Bill, 739 Advance polls, 3876
Aliens, 2057, 2065-6, 2071, 2074-5, 2091-6, 2227-8, 2231-2, 2240-2 Arndt. 2096 Arndt, to 3r., 4367-72 Voters' lists, 24291 Provincial lists, 3895
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1501, 1505
Income tax, 3126 Internment case, 4518 League of Nations, 357 Letter carriers, 4529 Naturalization Act, 3683 Alien, enemy origin, 3920 Certificate not issued, 3919 Imperial citizenship and, ques. 996 Revocation of certificate, 3915-8 Opium and Drug Bill, 1633-4, 1746, 1751-3 Parliament Buildings, 14'2'5-7 Postal employees' salaries, 2670, 3145 Roumania, advance to, ques. 3488 Rural mail carriers, ques. 414, 4523 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4144-7, 4156 Special War Revenue Act Amdt, 3439 Auctions, 3575 Automobiles, 3598 Boats, canoes, etc., 35>90-l Collection, method of, 3439, 3459-62 Furniture, 3574-5 Hats, 3562
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3596 Jewelry, 3579
Luxuries, on retail sale, list of, 3462 Musical instruments, 3628
Europe, distress in, 116, 4545. See also League of Nations
"Examiner of Estimates," 1081
Exchange, rate of, 69, 112, 126, 145, 157, 165, 178, 190
Gold shipment to New York, 181 United States trade, and, 55
Exchequer Court Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 2003; 2r. com., 2200; 3r„ 2204
Excise
Estimates, 3859
Excise and Sales Tax. See also Special War
Revenue
Prices, effect on, 3329 Exhibitions, 4558
Exhibition Buildings, use of by Militia, ques.
Experimental Farms. See also Agriculture; Commercial Feeding Stuffs, ques. 1360, 2382, 2390, 2412 Achievements of, 1013 New buildings, etc, 3156 Ontario, extension in, M. by Mr. Sutherland, 1005
Swift Current, 4560 Exploration
Stefansson expedition, ques, 704
Explosives, 2248. See also Beloeil; Mines
Export Regulations. See Customs Act Amdt
Exports. See also Trade Hides to United States, ques. 313 Increase of and means to promote, 621, 626 Wheat to United States, ques. 313 Wheat to Greece, ques. 415
Expropriation. See Irrigation Act
External Affairs, Dep, 4534
Extra-Territorial effect of Dominion legislation, 4169
Fafard, Mr. J. Fernand (L'lslet)
Budget, 2717. Wish courage to those who have to pay taxes-railway deficits- standing army, 2717; militarism-new taxes-tariff revision, 2718; high cost of living and popular unrest, 2719; national unity, 2720
Cimon, Mr., and Military defaulters, ques. 1462
Civil Service classification, ques. 997 Dominion land surveyors, ques. 1115, ques. 2006
Flax industry, 693'
Food1-price regulation, 1144, 1151 High cost of living, 1151 St. Camille-Cabano proposed railway, ques. 589
Farm Labour, 1011, 1220, 1227 Spring work, for, ques. 800
Farms, Fertility of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs	*
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Federal Bureau of Education. See Education
Federal Emergency Fund, ques. 1199; ques. 2182
Fertilizers, 119	.
Fielding, Hon. William Stevens (Shelburne
and Queen's)
Admiralty Act Amdt, 3086 "Allied and Associated Powers," 1234' Bill-printing of in English and French, 1057
Board of Commerce, 1685 Bridges, 3772-9
British Columbia Indians, 952 British North America Act Amdt, 4,1-69-70 Budget, The, 2495. Congratulations to Minister of Finance in view of difficulties of situation, 2496; loans, stabilizing the market, 2507-2517; borrowing in Canada and its effect, 2490; revenues and expenditure, 2500; net debt, 2501; economy needed, 2502; tariff, free trade or protection 2,503; bounties, 2506; the Farmers' party, 2507; Liberal party and policy, 2508; tariff inquiry, 2509; amdt moved, 2510 Budget, date of, 2247, 2318 Budget debate not limited by amdt, 2518 Business of the House, order of, 2314 Business profits war tax, 3111 Public utilities, 3231-2 Canada and the Empire, 493 Canada and the United States, 496 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, Crews, 641
Canadian National Railways Lockeport proposed extension, 3085, 3376, 4218
Nomenclature and legislation, 3390 Western extensions, 3390 Withholding of information, 1667 Withholding of information, 1667 Canadian representative at Washington. See, under this title, Washington Correspondence, 3081 Canadian Wheat Board, 4358 Capital punishment, 308 Civil Service Bonus, 1269-72, 1289
- Insurance, 1056
Ottawa, taxation, 579 Retirement, 3825-30, 4460-5 Retirement fund, 459-60 Returned soldiers and, 3131
Fielding, Hon. William Stevens-Con.
Civil Service-Con.
Superannuation
Pensions, inadequacy of based on former values, 391 Principle approved, 392-4 Temporary employment, 3129-33 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3361-3 Concurrence in supply, 4586 Criminal Code Amdt (French version) 3081-84
Currency, coinage, 399 DeCelles, Mr., superannuation of, 2968 Dominion Lands Act Amdt (United States soldiers) 1234 Dredging, 3783 Dry docks, 4570-2 Eight-hour day, 380
Estimates and their discussion, 4586, 4589 Experimental and demonstration farms, 2385-6
Export regulations, 3621 Extra session, 1919, ques. 543 Firearms, licenses, 3410-3 Fish inspection, 1054, 4586 Food and drugs Bill, 956-69, 1257, 1266-2 Franchise Bill, 759 Advance and proxy voting, 1162 Aliens-certificate, 2672-6, 2234-7 Ballot and counterfoil, 1165 By-elections, simultaneous, 1090-1 Amdt. to 3r., 4359 Chief Electoral Officer, 1513, 4136-7 Successor to, 4276
Contributions-expenses-public treasury should pay, 1197 Conveying voters, 1063 Corrupt practices, 1160 Deposit, 1091, 1110
Disqualification of candidate, 1086-8 Election expenses, return, 1155 Election officers, fees, etc., 1111-2 False statement made to affect election, 1667
Nomination of candidates, 1090-2 Proclamation, 1081-2 Provincial lists, 2323, 2352-5, 2419-20 Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4)365
Nova Scotia lists, 3899-3900 Returning officers, 1515 ,1521-5, l>532-5, 1581
Amdt-public officers, 1521 "Standard time," 1988-9 Franking privilege, 3358 French speeches in House, translation of, 706
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Grand Trunk Railway, 1251, 1296-1303, 1356 Branch lines, 1319-21 Loans-amdt., 1504, 1537 London-Trafalgar Square office, 1251 Ratification of agreement, 1321-4 Stocks, value of, 1562-3, 1567 Halifax, Militia Dept, property, 3724 Hartney, Mr. E. P„ 4566 House of Commons
Empire Day adjournment, 2375'
Monday for Government business, 1464 Orders of the day-time taken by Minister in reply to question, 3425 Saturday and morning sittings, 2786 Staff, organization and classification of, 1037
Messengers, 3097
Icebreakers -[DOT] Nova Scotia south shore ports, 1607, 2124 Income tax, 3251
Charities, 3247-9, 3312-3 Deficits and losses, 3241 Dividends, when liable, 3304-6 Part payment with return, 3253 Indemnity of members and salaries of Ministers, 4078
Correction of press report, 4171 Separate bills suggested, 4380, 4454 Inquiry for return, 3226 Inspection and Sale Act Amdt
Nova Scotia fruit growers, 2017, 3109 Jellicoe, Admiral, 386 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4418-23 Doherty, Right Hon. Mr., case of, 4424 League of Nations
Canada's contribution toward expenses, ques. 589, que. 618 Canada's status, 350 353, 366 Labour, 355-6 Peace, maintenance of, 353 Loan Companies Act Amdt, 1778 Lockeport, 3085, 3376, 4218 Lockeport-Froude's Point steamer service, 4514, 4284-5
Lotbiniere and Megantie Railway, 4585 Maple products, 796-7, 1254 Militia, Contingencies, 3714 Mint, the, 616
Naval College graduates, 4562 Naval Service
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4386 Estimates, 4316-20 Newspaper postage, 3761 Nickel coinage, 400 Oil-leases, royalty on, 3809-10 Oleomargarine, ques. 1117, 1787, 1856-74
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Opium and Drug Bill, 1750, 1760 Ottawa city, agreement with, 580, 991-2 Parliament Buildings, 1418-23, 1429-32 Furniture and fittings, 3155 Partisanship, extreme, 493 Peace Treaty
Bulgaria, with, 475, 493, 1058-9 Canada's position, 493 France-protection against Germany, 1059
Ratification, 475 Peat, 3807
Penitentiary Act Amdt., 3409-10 Pensions-widowed mother, 4044-6, 4050 Point of order-matter pending before com., 3652
Prime Minister and portfolio, 4456 Privilege-Press report - indemnity of members, 4171 Public accounts, 1839 Public buildings, none new, 3147 Purchasing Board, 1469-78 Registered postal rate, 3733 Registrar of shipping, 2109 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3203, 4575 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3997, 4155-6, 4160-6
Sick and distressed mariners, 2265-6 Soldier Settlement, 1692 Fishermen and, 1690
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3320 Automobiles, 3599 Boats, canoes, etc., 3589-90 Collection, method of, 3464-6 Containers, 3615
Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3454-5 Fountain pens, 3577-8 Furniture, 3576 Imposition, mode of, 3340 Jewellery, 3339, 3578-84 Musical instruments, 3596, 3629 Proprietary medicines, 3602 Sporting goods, 3570 Stock transfers, 3626 Sugar embargo, 3226 Supply
Interim vote, 754-6 Terminal elevators, 1878 Trade Commissioners, 1886 War loans
Bonds, amount of, ques. 2008 Validation of over-subscriptions, 4180-1 Victory loans, 2520 Washington, Canadian Minister at
M. in amdt. to Supply, 2442-4, 2453, 3081, 4534-42
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Foreign Credits
Belgium, proposed, 582 Serbia, reported, 567
Foreign Relations. See League of Nations; Washington, Canadian Minister at
Foreign Trade, 2477, 2481. See also Budget
Forestry, 3285
Forests, Waterways and Water Powers. See
also Dominion Lands and Parks Com. appointed, 307
Fortier, Mr. H. A. (Labelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 132. Canada under federal compact, 132; Imperialism, 133; Canada's relations with the Empire- divorce-Labour's legitimate claims, 134; proposed general election, 135 Budget, 2889. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-production and thrift- government extravagance-militarism, 2889; soldiers turning to occupations of peace-railway nationalization, 2890; Liberal fiscal policy-general election advocates, 2891
Exchequer Court Act Arndt. 2201-3 Hull and Montreal highway, 1113 Judges' salaries, 4839-40 Printing Bureau linotypes, ques. 670
Fort William elevator, 565, ques. 1358. See also Elevators
Forward Movement of Christian churches, 98
Foster, Mr. A. DeWltt, ques., 1201
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George (Minister of Trade and Commerce and Acting Prime Minister February 26-May 12).
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 35. Congratulations to mover and seconder, 35'; Opposition leader's criticism, 36; Franchise Bill-Grand Trunk agreement, 37; preparedness of sessional programme-government by Order in Council-absence of Prime Minister, 38; Peace negotiations and treaty, Canadian Ministers needed in Europe, 39; Ministers of the Crown in' the Senate-commissions, 40; cabinet responsibility, 41; proposed general election-the Government's work and record-prosecution of the war, 42; Civil Service reform-Health department-scientific research, 43; women's franchise - prohibition - shipbulld-
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George-Con.
Address-Con.
ing-cost of living, 44; production- War Purchasing Commission, 45; finance-returned soldiers, 46 Amnesty, general, to political prisoners, 1790 Archambault, Mr., questions by, 709 Armenians, 855
Auditor General's report, 2179, 4276 Bill (Mr. Stevens) proposed introduction, 1216
Board of Commerce Canners, 1046 Correspondence, 3426 Motion for, papers, 2013, 3863 O'Connor, Mr., reported resignation of, 1685
Porter, Mr. Arthur, dismissal of, 568 Robson, Judge, resignation of, 114, 1900 Budget, date of, 1465, 2126, 2247, 2318. Budget, 2510. Debt, gross and net, 2511; economy of administration, 2512; Civil Service policy, 2513; no more loans at present, 2-513; taxation to meet present needs, methods of taxation, 2514; forethought and afterthought, 2515; Bank of Montreal trading account, 2516; free trade or protection-Liberal party's policy, 2517 Business of the House Easter adjournment, 752 Empire Day adjournment, 2575 Late sittings, 1894 Legislation foreshadowed, 1789 Monday for Government business, 1464, 1573
Notices of motion standing, 1628, 2013 Order of, 2314
Wednesday evening sittings, 1044-5 Cabinet changes, 386, 447 Canada Grain Act, administration of, 1877, 3822-4
Canada Steamships Limited and Mr. D. B. Hanna, 1789
Canada Year Book, 1879 Canada's national status, 486 Canada's representative at Washington, 449, 1742, 2177, 2460
Canadian Wheat Board, 4323, 4098, 4110-1, 4341-58
Losses, possible, 4348, 4516 Magill, Dr., statement by, 4124-5, 4342-7 Telegram to Mr. Sifton, 4348 Canadians in Imperial Service, 86'T Civil Service classification, 675 Correspondence, motion for, 592 Copyright Bill, 752 Daylight saving, 1574
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East Elgin vacancy, 11, 1085 Economic conditions of the world-Peace Conference declaration, 1888 Estimates and their discussion, 4588-9 When to be brought down, 567 Explosive works at Beloeil, 2248 Extension of trade, 1880-6 Federal Bureau of Education, 1398 Flax bounty, 1886 Franchise Bill
Disqualification of candidates, 1089 Returning officers, 1531 Statement as to possible additions, 582 French speeches in House, translation of, 700
French treaty, 3425-26, 4274 Gisborne, Mr. F. H., K.C., Parliamentary Counsel, 4587
Grain Exchange, closing of, reimbursement of losses, 4516 Grand Trunk Railway, 11 Correspondence, 1228 Stock, 754
Hearst Publications, 1290 jKouse of Commons.
Acoustic properties of, 1418, 2126 Debates, Translation of French speeches, 4588, 700 Staff, 1037
Hudson Bay Railway, 2014 Hurons of Lorette, 2014 Imperial Conference, 114 Industrial legislation, 1790 Inquiry for returns, 857 International Financial Conference, 1465 Ireland, condition of, 856 Japanese occupation of Yladivostock, 1945 Jellicoe, Admiral, visit of, 11 Joint distribution office, 1037 League of Nations, 567 Armenian mandate, 1465 French occupation of German territory, 1046
Marshall, the late David, M.P., 10 Mennonites, 2127
Ministers and Grand Trunk stock, 590
Ministers' knowledge of their business, 527
Naval service, ministerial statement, 708
Newfoundland, 4276-81
Oral answers to questions, 1623
Parliament buildings, 2, 1418-20, 1432-3
Parliamentary librarian, 114
Partisanship, 485, 488
Peace, 230
Peace Treaty, 485
Pensions and Re-establishment Com. Resignation of:
Foster, Right Hon. Sir George-Con. Pensions and Re-establishment Com,-Con. Lang, Mr., 1085 Peck, Mr., 2081-2
Pensions, soldiers, taxation of, 1895 Prime Minister
Illness and absence of, 9, 114 Return of, 2126
Printing, Joint Committee on, 4321 Public accounts, 1838 Purchasing Board, 1467-70, 1474-9 Questions not answered, 949*
Railways, freight to Canada from United States prepaid, 1893
Returned soldiers, 520. See also, under this title, Pensions; Soldiers	'
Cash gratuities to, 1082-84 Life insurance, 522 Returns, delayed, 45.9 Russia, 4322
Saar Valley Commission, 344
St. Julien, battle of, 1357
St. Lawrence route, insurance, 4515
San Remo Conference, 1465
Scientific Research, 617, 2176
Serbia, reported credit to, 567
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment Dept., 520
Soldier Settlement, 521
Statistical Department, 1880, 3296
Steamship companies, supervision of, 2013
Steamship Services
Cape Breton; Lockeport-Froude's Point; Magdalen Islands; Newfoundland; New Zealand; St. Lawrence, etc.; St. John-Digby; South Africa, etc., 4276-87
Economies in, 4287, 4515 Steel and Shipping merger, 1895, 1955-6 Sugar
Embargo, 3226 Prices, 1896
Supply, Com., of, arrangements for, 1597 Interim vote, 755 Terminal elevators, 1878 Trade Commissioners, 1885-6 Universal military training, 948 Victory loan transactions, 2520 War indemnity, Canada's share, 1084 Washington, Canadian Minister at. See under this title Canada's representative at Washington
Water carriage of goods, 1216 West Indies, 1884, 2892-3, 3860 Foster, Mr. Thomas (East York)
Bell Telephone rates appeal, ques. 2009 " Excise and sales " tax, 3451
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Exhibition buildings and militia, ques. 2009 Franchise Bill, 763 Grand Trunk Railway Head office, ques. 2008 Technical education, ques. 2519 Toronto
Grain elevators, ques. 1897 Harbour improvements, ques. 2181
Fournier, Mr. C. A. (Bellechasse)
Board of Commerce, 3227 Canadian National Railways, official cars, ques. 409
Cattle embargo, ques. 340 Electric power, export, ques. 1624 Food and Drugs Bill, 958, 977, 1260 Hides, exports to United States, ques. 313; ques. 343
Intercolonial Railway, pensions, ques. 313 St. Valier wharf, ques. 1231
France
Advances to, ques. 318
Occupation of German territory by, 1046
Franchise, 25, 28, 36, 37, 53, 114, 151, 155, 283 By-election lists, ques., 310. See also Dominion Franchise Bill
Franco-Canadian Customs Tariff Convention, ques. 3684	'*
Franking Privilege. See Post Office Act Arndt. Bill
Fraser, Mr. Evan E. (Welland)
Judges' salaries, 4339
Fraudulent Naturalization Papers, ques. 4096
Freight Cars. See also Railways Grain and grain products in, ques. 1035
Freight Rates. See Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Railways; Railway Act Arndt.
French Language. See Banguage Questions
French Treaty, ques. 1788; 3425-6, 3684, 4274, ques. 4323
Fripp, Mr. A, E. (Ottawa)
Biggar, Mr. O. M„ K.C., 4265-6 Canada Highways Act, ques. 802, ques. 1119
Choquette, Ex-Senator P. A., ques. 2572 Civil Service
Classification, M. for papers, 544, 556 Commission, staff, ques. 2414 Printing Bureau, ques. 320, 3742 Taxation of incomes, 579-80 Ottawa city, agreement with, 579
Fruit Packages. See Inspection and Sale
Fuel. See also Coal Price, 321
Fulton, Mr. Frederick J. (Cariboo)
British Columbia Indians, 953 Soldier Settlement, 1695 Cattle branding, 1699
Gambling. See Criminal Code
Game. See National Parks; Northwest Game Act
Gargoyles, 1433, 1493
Gas, taxation of, 3106
Gas and Electricity inspection, 1887
Gascons Wharf, ques. 411
Gaspesia, resources, attractions and need of railway extensions, 4213-7
Gauthier, Mr. L. J. (St. jHyacinthe-Rouville) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 61. Quebec badly treated, waiting for itk hour-war and the constitution, 61; Liberals and Union Government policies, 62; public unrest- Prime Minister's health, 63; proposed election, 64; party system and government, 65
Budget, 2605. Tactics of United Farmers, 2605; Liberals and tariff-Wheat Board, 2606; the Government and its record-Canada's production, 2607; currency, credit and gold reserve- profiteers and prices, 2610 Privilege-Complaint of Treatment by civil servant, 4097
Gauvreau, Mr. Charles A. (TSmiscouata) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 209. French language-Hon. Mr. Chapais and conscription-Hon. Mr. Blondin, 209; Mr. DeCelles' retirement, Hon. Mr. Sevfgny-Canadian National Railway shops at RiviOre du Loup-Quebec biding its time, 210 Arthur Young Co., ques. 1511, ques. 1740 Bank Act Arndt., inquiry, 1573 Business of the House-holiday adjournment moved without notice, unanimous consent denied, 2575 Canadian National Railways Engine repairs, ques. 3079 Cimon, Mr., collections by, ques. 1461 Civil Service, 670
DeCelles, Mr. A. D., 210, 2968; ques. 3489
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Dominion Canners ques. 415 ' Dupont, Mr. Joseph, ques. 590 Empire day adjournment, 2626 Franchise Bill
Disqualification - charitable support, those receiving, 1813-5 French translation, 779, 1061 Indian agents, 3276
Intercolonial employees, pensions, ques. 589
Isle Yerte, 3160 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1232 Lightkeepers, 2110
Montmagny colonization lots, ques. 1229 Parliamentary librarian, 114 Pension Commission employees, ques. 2895 Public Works employees, 3142 Questions
Passed as orders for returns, 1743 Portion deleted, 1045
Rivi&re du Loup workshops, ques. 315, 801 St. Malo shops, ques. 3079, ques. 3618 Saturday and morning sittings, 2626 Sevigny, Hon. Albert, 210 Tfimiscouata railway, ques. 674
General Election, proposed. See Address
Genoa, International Labour Conference, 3359
Geological Survey, 3801, 4513. See also Mines Georgian Bay Canal and Shipbuilding, 915 Germany
Reparation by, ques., 1463, 2574 Allies Conference at Ostend, 2476
Germany and Austria
Books, ques. 806
Imports from, ques. 2416; ques. 3359 Trade with, ques. 801
Gervais, Mr. Theodore (Berthier)
Budget, 2556. Popular unrest, 2556; tariff policy and its effects, 2557; agriculture, its opportunities and. needs-manufacturers and high tariff, 2558 Butter and oleomargarine, ques. 2720 Canada Highways Act, payments under, ques. 806	t
Scrap iron and steel, ques. 1739 Sorel shipyard superintendent, ques. 343 Vandal, Mr. Calixte, ques. 1740*
Gisborne, Mr. F. H., K.C., 4587. See also Dominion Franchise Bill; Chief Electoral Officer
Glass, Mr. Samuel F. (East Middlesex)
Alien immigrants, 836 Board of Commerce, 1148-9 Export Butter and Cheese, 598-9 Flax industry, 675
Food and Drugs Bill-Toasted corn flakes, 1261
Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3876-7 Deposit, 1095-6 Election accounts, 1112 Nomination, place of, 1092 Proclamation, language of publication, 2275-6
Returning officers, 1595 Oleomargarine, 1868 ,
Opium and Drug Bill, 1639 Post Office Department, 3743 Prices, 1148-9 Soldier Settlement, 2133-5 Special War Revenue Fountain pens, 3577 Gas and electric light fixtures, 3596
Gold, 3107. (See also Currency; Yukon) Commissioner, 3108 Shipment to New York, 1S1 Standard-Dominion notes and, ques. 588
Good Roads, 45. See also Canada Highways Act
Gophers, 3793
Gordon's Reserve school (Indian) 3269, 3278
Gouffre, Riviere Du, ques. 1121
Gould, Mr. Oliver R. (Assiniboia)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 124. Parliament building- Canadian Council of Agriculture platform, 125; Assiniboia election-trade and rates of exchange, 126; tariff and protection-water fronts and mines as taxable resources, 128; conditions in Assiniboia-grasshopper plague, 128; sessional indemnities for unrepresented years, 128
Budget, 2951. Finance Minister's great task -Mr. M. Clark's address-Mr. Meighen on Britain's policy and condition, 2952; exorbitant protection-Dominion Textile Company, 295(3; shoes and protective duties; Farmers' platform, 2954; Western Canada Colonization Association-names applied to Progressive group, 2955; Messrs. Stevens, Mowat and Stacey and protective duties, 2956; faith, hope and charity, 2959; farm implement manufacturers, 2960; apple


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prices and protective duty, 2961; lumbering industry and housing problem, 2962; members of the House and special interests, 2964; wages in protected manufactures - proposed railway extension to coal area, 2966 Canadian. Wheat Board, 4112-4 Civil Service bonus, 1287 Election for Assiniboia, 1 Franchise Bill
Contributions-Assiniboia expenses, 117284	.
Deposit, 1095
Recall, the, 1181, 2027-30, 2037 Returning officers, 1590-3 Grading export butter and cheese, 607 Grasshopper plague, ques. 705 Indemnity of members, 4449 Indians and wild game, 3280 Parliament Buildings, 1424 Portal immigration hall, ques. 674 Recall. See under thin title, Franchise Seed Grain Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4000, 4015-6 Soldier Settlement Act Cattle branding, 1699 Increase in stock, 1702 Special War Revenue Airplanes, 3592 Caps, 3566
Trust and Doan Company of Canada, 586 Universal military training, 947 Government Annuities, 4528 Government Annuities Act Arndt Bill. Res.
402; lr., 406; 2r., com., 462; 3r., 463 Government Ownership, 124. See also debates under Canadian National; Grand Trunk Ships, of, 627, 659. See also under Shipbuilding
Government Printing Bureau. See Printing Government Steamers. See also Vessels Civil Service insurance for crews, 1779 Grain and Grain Trade. See also Agriculture; Canada Grain Act; Canadian Wheat Board; Commercial Feeding Stuffs; Seed Grain	.
Cereal shipments from Canada, ques. 1626 Dominion Seed Grain Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117 Elevators. See also that title Halifax, ques. 1116
Terminal, Port Arthur and Fort William, 565, ques. 1358 Toronto, ques. 1897
Grain and Grain Trade-Con.
Flour mills, small, ques. 799
Freight cars, ques. 1035
Grain Exchange, closing of, losses, 4516
Participation certificates, ques. 802
Wheat
Importation in 1912, ques. 590 Shipped by farmers to United States, ques. 80)2
Spirit River shipments, 566 Winnipeg Grain Exchange, 2005
Granby Public Building, 3149
Grand Etang, 2114, 3779-80
Grand Trunk Railway Company..
Administration of, 4173 Entrance to Montreal, ques. 413 Head office, ques. 2008 London. Trafalgar Square office, 1251 Pensions-and Strike of 1910, 1122 Agreements and letter to Mr. Hays. 4508 Amdt (Mr. Mackenzie King) 1536; neg. 1572	.
Shareholders, list of, 3426-7, 4!258 Stocks, ques. 1361-2, ques1. 590, 753 Subsidiary companies, ques. 996
Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition, 11
Arbitrators, 1047, 3860
Taft, Mr., ex-President, 3490 Budget, statement by Minister of Finance, 2484
Correspondence, 1228, 1235 Loan, 4579
Grand Trunk Railway Acquisition Bill, lr.,
1113; 2r„ 12)35; 1291; 1311; Com. 1311, 1315, 1435, 1486, 1536; 3r., 1572
Grasshopper Plague, 128, ques. 705, 2375
Gratuities to Soldiers
Statement by acting Prime Minister, 1082. See also Pensions
Great War Veterans Association, 3669 Soldier Settlement and, 2142
Greece
Advance to, ques. 318 Roumania, and,
Loans, ques. 3488 Purchases by, ques. 2414 Wheat shipments to, ques. 415, ques. 509
Grenfell, Dr., and fishermen, 2266
Grey, Earl, farewell message, 18
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Interpretation-Con.
Opposition, attitude of, 725 "During an election," 1986-7 "Election officer," 1987-8 "Election Papers," 1988 "Electors," 1917
"Hours of the day"-"Standard time'' 1988-9, 19144 "List of voters," 1989 "Members,", 1989 "Personal expenses," 1991 "Rural polling division," 1992-3 "Urban polling division," 1991 Liquor on polling day, 1108-9 Misfeasance, etc.,-penalty, 1074-5 Names not on list, 1926, 4272 Oaths, 3877-8
Naturalization-amdt (Mr. Euler) to 3r„ 4369
Nomination, 1916
Candidates, of, 1090-6 Place of, 1092-3 Postponement of, 1096 Non-electors and non-residents canvassing, 784-6 Notices, 777-8, 1169 Oaths, 779-81, 1166 Elector, by, 1102 Ontario voters' list, 3880-98
Amdt proposed, 3896; agreed to, 3898 Paid propaganda, publicity of, Amdt.
(Mr. McMaster) to 3r., 4375 Pass on railway, 1065 Payment of voters' expenses, 1064-5 Peace and good order, 1105-8 , Poll books, etc., to returning officer, .	1078-80
Polling divisions, 1516-20, 1996 Polling stations, additional, 1826-7 Polls
.Hours to be open, 1920-6 When to be held, 1101-2 Population and status of place, 2320 Printer's name, 779 Proclamation
Language of publication, 1837, 1918, 2268-73, 2291-2, 2301 Mailed to postmaster, 1080-2 Notices, etc., 2319
Provincial lists, amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4364. See also under this title Voters' Lists Qualification of electors, 4271
Aliens-certificate, 2059, 2076, 2085-8, 2092, 2099-2103, 4271 See also under this title Aliens, Naturalization
Guthrie, Hon. Hugh-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Qualification of electors-Con.
Indians, 2055-7 Naturalization, 4271 Recall, the, 2044 Recount by Judge, 1110 " Registrar " and " Enumerator," 1096-7 Registrars, 3899 Duties of, 3909-10 Rural, attendance of, 3908 Registration-interrogatories, 1167 Voters, of, 4272 Removing notices, 779 Repeal, 776 Returning officers Amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 1574-6 Further duties of, 1096 Ineligible parties, 1073-4 Poll books, etc., to be sent to, 1828 Public officials, 1791-2, 1809-10 Schedules, 1166-9 Standard Time, 1988 Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9, 1198
Translation into French, 779 Voters' lists, 2319
Addition and elimination of names, 3909-13
Copies, securing of, 2319-20 Married woman's name, 1827-8 New-when unnecessary, 1825-6, 1997, 4272
Possible delay in printing, 3902 Preparation of, 3878-99, 4271 Provincial, 2417-23, 2430-4, 2438-41 Amdt. (Mr. Ross) 2324,	2329-30,
2333-4, 2345-66
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., .	4364
Voting
Language of voter, 1997 Manner of, 1103-5
Notwithstanding disqualification, 1825 On certificate, 1098-1101 Women voters, Quebec, in, 2419 Writ of election, 1166 Writ, nomination, election-delay, 1092 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3654-74 Air Service, 4553 Annual drill, 3676-81 Cadet service, 3702-4, 3714 Civil pensions, 4553-5 Contingencies, 3714-6 Customs dues, 3716 Demobilization, 4549 Dominion arsenals, 3717-25 Engineer services and works, 3723-5
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Dorval, 3731 Toronto, 3729-31
Ministerial statement and summary, 3636-45. Estimates compared by branches with former years, 3636; increase due to higher prices, 3638; permanent force and slowness of recruiting, 3639; returned officers, 3641; volunteer militia, 3642; barracks, rifle ranges, 3643; unity of directing organization, 3644
Ordnance, arms, lands, etc., 3727-32 Permanent force, 4548 Staff, 4548-55 Warlike Stores, 4549 Militia Pension Act, 4020-1 Quebec's ancient fortifications, 424 Returned Soldiers' buttons, unauthorized wearing of, 4020
Guysborough Harbour, 2124
Habeas Corpus
Labrie case, 3227, 3295, 3558, 3840 M. for papers, 2014
Halbert, Mr. Robert H. (North Ontario) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 282. Parliament Building-Farmers' movement not a class movement, 282; popular unrest and its cure, 283; proposed general election-Franchise Act, 283; A United Canada, 284 Budget, 2941. Reply to Mr. Cockshutt, 2941; inheritance and income taxes, 2942; farmers' deputation on conscription-a former Conservative - the farmers and public affairs, 2943; public problems the concern of the ordinary citizen-economic as well as political democracy, 2944; public and press, 2945; profits system should function naturally-food production hampered-decrease of farm population, 2945; drawbacks to manufacturers-tariff tax on the coffin, 2946 Election for North Ontario, 1 Foster, Mr. A. DeWitt, ques. 1201 Franchise Bill
Contributions, 1191 Oath by elector, 1102'
Recall, the, 2025
Grading export butter and cheese, 606
Indemnity of members, 4083 Oleomargarine, 1871-2 Soldier Land Settlement, 2147 Halifax
Grain elevator, ques. 1116 Marine agency-telephone, 2110 Halifax and Southwestern Railway, 3085 Halladay, Mr. H. H. (Bow River)
Alien immigrants, 820 Franchise Bill
Polling division, 1(518-9 Income tax, charities, 3314 New party movement, 126 Soldier Settlement, 1701 Hanna, Mr. D. B., 622, 642, 1679, 4183. See also Canadian- National Railway Canada Steamships Company, and, 1742, 1789-
Suit against Mr. Cahill, M.P., 2.379 Hanna, town, 2379
Hansard. See House of Commons, Debates Harbours.. Sec their titles .
Harold, Mr. John (Brant)
Food and Drugs Bill, 971 Indians and Franchise, 2056-7, 4035 Purchasing Board, 1485-Specia! War Revenue Binder twine, 3610, 3623 Furs, 3569, 3791-2 Jewellery, 3579-80, 35S4 Underwear, 3567
Harris, Mr. Lloyd, 1948
Harrison, Mr. Charles R. (Nipissing)
Budget, 3041. Iron and steel industry, bounties 

 French River waterway, 3041; Northern Ontario-Timiskaming by-election - Labour and One Big Union-class warfare denounced, 3043; Mr. G. B. Nicholson and organized labour, 3043 Eight-hour day, 382 Franchise Bill
Interpretation, 1991 Polls, hours to be open, 1921 Grand Trunk strike of 1910, and pensions, 1129
North Bay shore protection, 3160 Hartney, Mr. E. P., 4566
Hay, Mr. Thomas (Selkirk)
. Campaign funds, 1222
Catalogues, postal rate on, 3744 Civil Service retirement, 3837 Franchise-voters' lists, 2441 House of Commons staff, 4566 Indemnity from Germany, ques. 1463
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Hearst Publications, 142, ques. 993, 1290
Hearst, Sir William, 3986
Hebertville-St. Joseph D'Alma mail, ques. 1000
Henders, Mr. Richard C. (Macdonald)
Alien immigrants, 835
Budget, 3015. Congratulation to former and present Ministers of Finance - direct taxation approved, 3016; income tax-removal of customs super-tax-postponement of tariff inquiry, 3017; personal position on the tariff, and on proposed taxes, 3019; party records on tariff compared, 20,20 Canadian Wheat Board, 4351 Commercial Feeding Stuffst 3408 Franchise Bill
Polls, hours to be open, 1923 Voters' lists, 24>38 Opium and Drug Bill, 1645 Rural mail, 4529 Special War Revenue Caps, 3566
Henderson, Mrs. Rose, 2807, 2898, 3039
Hennick, Mr. Daniel D., patents of, ques. 1510
Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2375-6, 238,2, 2402
Hickey's Wharf, ques. 706
Hides, exports to United States, ques. 313, ques. 343
High Cost of Living, 68, 72, 78. See also Ar-dress; Board of Commerce; Budget; Popular unrest; Prices of necessaries, (Mr. Burnham) 321
Highways.. See Canada Highways
Hindus, soldiers. Sec Dominion Franchise
Hinton, Mr. W. P., 1311
Hocken, Mr. H. C.-Con.
Address-Con.
and the war-Orange order's war record, 290; Orangemen and political party; Orangeism a bulwark of the constitution, 291; Orange Sentinel, 29l2 Alien immigrants, and Canadian citizenship, 821
Budget, 2659. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2660; new taxes and the masses, 2660; personal views on tariff changed by conditions - protective tariff necessary, 2661; development of rsourees-economy through reducing number of civil servants, 2662; promoting efficiency in Civil Service, 2663; Canadian Wheat Board, 4113 Civil Service
Commission, employees, ques. 1121 Customs, employees, 317 House of Commons, employees, 1043 Inside, ques. 510 Dager, Herman, J., ques. 2182 Divorce Bills, remission of charges, 4321 Electoral atlas, ques. 317 Empire day adjournment, 2575 Franchise Bill
Polls, hours to be open, 1921-2, 1925 Proclamation, language of publication, 2296-9, 2301-2 Recall, the, 2036-8, 2042-3 Judges' salaries, 4338 Personal position as member, 2043 War profits in Britain, 2631-2
Hogs, raising of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Homesteading. See Dominion Lands Act
Honey Adulteration Bill, lr., 582; 2r., com., 3r., 798; Senate amdts., 2314, 2412
Horseracing,
Dr. Rutherford's report, 540 Race tracks and betting, 3415, 3427
Horses
Carload rates on, ques. 2010
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3204
Hocken, Mr. H. C. (Toronto West)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 284. Controversy between Mr. Rowell and Mr. Murphy, 284; French language in schools, position of Orange order, 285; opinion of Senator Bel-court, 286; French Canadian aims and ambitions, 287; clerical influence - Senator David's book, 288; Quebec's local autonomy, 289; French Canadians
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Alcohol tax and, 3495 Ste. Anne de Bellevue, ques. 1115 Ships. See Canada Shipping Act (Sick and Distressed Mariners)
Houle, Mr. Joseph, ques. 2313
House of Commons. See also Deputy Speaker; Speaker Adjournment, decorum at, 1838
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Adjournment, to discuss matter of public
importance. See the several subjects Adjournments
Ascension Day, 2311 Easter, 752
Empire day, 2574-5, 2625-6 King's birthday, 3080 Answers to questions
Complaint (Mr. Sinclair) 1649 Audibility of debates, 345, 388, 394, 405, 461, 2126, 2317, 3521, 4055, 4419 Statements by Mr. Stevens and others, 1416, 4055
Suggested rearrangement of seats, 394, 1417
Business of, 3216
Complaint of delay, 2778, 3506, 3622, 4102, 4274, 4314, 4547, 4586 Legislation pending, 1789, 2723, 2779 Monday - Government business, 1464, 1573
Order of, 3106
Private Bills, special facilities for, 3957 By-elections, 148
Assiniboia, 1, 56, 126, 137, 168,	1172,
1174-84, 3473
Carleton and Victoria, 1223 Kamouraska, 948-9 Ontario North, 1 St. James, 707, 787 Victoria city, 1
Calendar of the House, ques. 2005 Chamber,
Acoustic properties of, 2317-S. See also under this title, Audibility Central floor, ques. 2894 Committees, standing, 9, 304. For proceedings and reports, see titles of the several Committees
Debates, official report of
Documents not read, insertion of. See Deputy Speaker; Speaker French reporters, 1425 French speeches, translation of, 552, 697, 4587 Decorum
Conversation, 2317-8 Distribution office, 1037 Divisions
Address-amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) for general election, 303 Appeal from ruling of the Chair, 3664 Budget-amdt. (Mr. Fielding) 3077 Dominion Franchise Bill
By-elections, amdt. (Mr. Fielding) to 3r., 4360
Contributions, publication of, amdt. (Mr. Maharg) to 3r., 4373
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Paid propaganda-amdt. (Mr. Mc-Master) to 3r., 4378 Provincial lists, amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) to 3r., 4366
Food and Drugs Bill-amdt. (Mr. Ped-low) to 3r., 1466
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition- strike of 1910;
Amdt. (Mr. Mackenzie King) 1572 Appeal from ruling of Chairman, 1327 Indian Act, amdt., six-months' hoist, 4179
"Washington, Canadian minister at, 2475 Estimates, method of voting, 30, 108, 567, 2779, 3769, 4586, 4589 Indemnity of Members, 3228, 3853-4
See also Salaries Act and House of Commons Act Amdt. Bill Alleged round robin, 2967 Correction (Mr. Fielding) of press report, 4171-2
Debate on motion for supply, 4069-95 Illness, 4458 Press, attitude of, 4441 Provinces and Dominion compared- statistical table, 4440 Taxation of, 3242 Internal Economy Commission, 9 Lobbies, admission of strangers to, 1629 Members,
Attendance of, 135, 964, 1838, 2782, 2968, 4457. See also, under this title, Indemnity New
Election and introduction Gould, Mr., 1 Halbert, Mr., 1 McDonald, Mr., 1684, 1787 Rinfret, Mr., 1357 Stein, Mr., 949 Tolmie Hon. Mr., 47 Threatened, 1743, 1841 Parliamentary Restaurant. See that title Post Office
Use of box by Mr. K. H. Palmer, ques. . 1001
Press Gallery. See that title
Private members' business, state of, 564
Privilege
Cronyn, Mr., resignation of Mr. Peck from Pensions and Re-establishment Com., 2081
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Edwards, Mr., report in Ottawa Journal and Montreal Gazette, 450-3 Fielding, Mr., press report, 4171 Gauthier, Mr.-complaint of treatment by civil servant, 4097 Lavigueur, Mr.-Judge Lennox on nonEnglish speaking witness, 1231 Kay, Mr., reference to by Ottawa Citizen as member for " Mississippi," 2016 Mackie, Mr. H. A., comment on absence from House, 296S-9 Questions, inquiry as to, 949, 2126 Questions' passed as orders for returns, status of, 1743
Quorum, attendance of members, 964 Report not printed as ordered, 20il6 Returns, asked for, 459, 618, 857, 4258 Senate and,
Joint Committee on unification of certain branches, 402 Joint distribution office, 1536 Sittings, duration of, 1838, 1893, 4432 Morning and Saturday, 2723, 2778, 3684 Two o'clock, 3080
Speaker's Chair, offer of from British Parliament, 3224 Staff
Bonus, 3228 Committees, 1042, 4547 Journals, 1038 Law Branch, 1038
Members' stenographers, ques. 2311 Organization and classification of, ques. 590, 753, 858, 919, 949, 1037, 3092, 4172, 44114, 4459, 4504, 4563 Parliamentary Counsel, 339 Sergeant-at-Arms Department, 3094 Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms, 9 Translators, 55.2, 2093 Supply, Com. of-Friday rule-statement of Minister permitted by consent, 2366 [DOT] Unauthorized distribution of documents in house, 1743, 1841 Vacancies, 160
Elgin, Ehst, 1, 11, 10S5 Kamouraska, 1 St. James, 1
House of Commons Act Arndt.. See Salaries Act
Housing, 3543 Adams, Mr., 3551-2 Demobilization and, 3543 Dominion-provinces agreement, 3548 Farmers and, 3546
Hudson Bay Railway, ques. 806, 867, 2752, 4231, 4243
Manitoba land, ques. 1897 Res. (Mr. Campbell) 2014
Hughes, Lt.-Gen. Sir Sam (Victoria, Ont.) Baker, late Lieut. Col., memorial to, 2776, 3557
Bolshevism, 3649 Canadian Wheat Board, 4123 Chauveau, Col., and Pinze, Col., 3666 Civil Service	;
Holidays, 4262
Retirement of members, 4066-9 Currie, Col, John A., M.P., 3655 Currie, General Sir Arthur, 3648, 3655 Dorval military property, 3731 Franchise Bill Provincial lists, 3897 Registrars and enumerators, 3907 Fuel Supply, 3181
Special powers for Railway Commission, 4326-30
Indemnity of members, 4079 Militarism, 3649 Military training, 3704, 3709 Militia
Active militia-allowances, 3658, 3674 Annual drill, 3678 Barracks, 3648 Cadet service, 3704, 3709 Ministerial statement of Mr. Guthrie, 3648
Officers reverting to rank, 3681 Rifle ranges1, 3649-54 Toronto property, 3729-31 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 4021 Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3491
Hull and Montreal Highway, 1113
Hungary, 1059-60, 3983-4
Hunt, Mr. A. B. (Compton)*
Military districts in Quebec, ques. 1035
Huron. See Indians
Hydro-Electric and Ontario Radial Railways 3113-4, 4172
Ice-Breakers, 1598-1612, 2.103-7 "J. D. Hazen," 1599, 1602 "Montcalm," 1606-7. 2112 St. Lawrence, ques., 317 New vessel for, 1620-1 Uniforms for men, 1603-4 Fair wage contracts, 1608-9
Houses built, 3545-7 Programme, ques. 707
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International Fisheries Commission, ques. 311
International Institute of Agriculture, 2411
International Joint Commission, 3986
St. Lawrence river development, ques. 1120, ques. 1230
International Labour Conference, 798, ques. 803, 1790
Canadian representative at, 3359
International Parliamentary Conference on Commerce, ques. 2721
International Waterways, 3985. See also International Joint Commission
Internment, 4516
Inverness Railway and Coal Company, ques. 319, 2380, 4236-49	[DOT]
Ireland, condition of, 856
Iron and Steel Industry, 21
Irrigation Act Arndt. Bill, lr., 3358; 2r., com., 3694; 3r., 3702
Isle Madame, fishery officers, ques. 3294
Italy, advances to, ques. 318
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel W. (George Etienne Cartier)
Bankruptcy Bill, 920, 3260-5 Board of Commerce
Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4489-99 Robson, Judge, correspondence, 3769 Budget, 3027. Shipbuilding-advances to Roumania and other countries 3027; Mr. M. Clark and Mr. Fielding, references to Jews-advances unaccounted for, 3028; Canadian Northern Railway and Montreal Tunnel Co., 3029; immigration, 3030; excess profits tax, 3031; promises of members of Union Government as to continuance for war only, 3031; beer tax-East Elgin vacancy, 3032; Mr. Rowell's address, 3033
Business profits war tax, 3111-7 Canadian National Pictorial, 4544 Canadian National Railways Montreal-Ottawa, 4190 Civil Service
Employees on public works, 3134-5 Retirement of members, 4065-6 Criminal Code Arndt. (French version) 3083
Jacobs, Mr. Samuel-Con.
Export regulations, 3622-3 Food and Drugs Bill, 978-9, 1264-5 Franchise Bill, 768
Aliens-certificate, 2069, 2076-8, 2097 Assistant Chief Electoral Officer, 1514 Chief Electoral Officer, 1070, 1512-3 Conveying voters, 1062 Disqualification of candidates, 1087 "Ecclesiastics," 1070, 1075-7 Election officers, parties disqualified, 1075-8
False statement made to affect election, 1065-6
Indians, 2055 Naturalization
Amdt. (Mr. Euler) to 3r., 4370 Proclamation, language of publication, 2306
Returning officers, 1533-4 Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9, 1198
Grand Trunk Railway, 1488-91 Branch lines, 1314 Income tax
Distraint of goods, 3303-4 Not a joke, 3119
Indians, Christian missions amongst, 3268 Internment cases, 4517 Japanese occupation of Vladivostok, 1945 Naturalization, British Government, representations by, 3917
Peace treaty, United States Senate reservations, 1060 Purchasing Board, 1480 Scbelking, Baron, ques. 3618 Shipbuilding
Contracts, 908, 919 Returned men employed, 909 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4145-8 Special War Revenue Beer, 3605 Firearms, 3595 Overcoats, 3586 Stock transfers, 3l626 Steel and shipping merger, 1967 Supreme Court Act Amdt., 2318 Tjphus epidemic, 4545 [DOT]
Vessel rates-letter from Montreal Corn Exchange, 1727
Japan, 3670-1
Japanese
Canada, in ques. 805 Fisheries, 84'4
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Parliament Building, 1426-7 Shipbuilding, 664
Vessel rates, proposed regulation, 17)30
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie (Prince, P.E.I.) See also Leader of the Opposition. Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 23. Mover and seconder-external affairs dwelt upon in Speech from the Throne, 23; Grand Trunk agreement, absence of documents- Opium Convention, food not drugs, 24; Parliamentary government, extension of term of Parliament, 25; Franchise Act, 26; War-time Elections Act, 27; Proposed new Franchise Act-vacancies, 28; Parliament a deliberative assembly-voting of supply, 30; government by Order in Council-Prime Minister's absence, 31; Cabinet changes-commissions and government, 32; cabinet representation and responsibility, 33; need of post-war policy, 34; amdt. in favour of early general election, 35; (neg., 303)
Air Service, 4554-6 Auditor General's report, 458 Bill not distributed-objection to proceeding with, 1057 Board of Commerce -
Murdock, Mr., resignation of, 4170-77, 4466, 4460, 4499
O'Connor, Mr., resignation of, 3685 Robson, Judge, resignation of, 4258 British Columbia Indians, 792-3, 950 Budget, inquiry as to, 1465, 2126, 2247 Budget, 2969. Congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2969; no further loans- direct taxes,	approved-economy,
. 2970; Government's promise for period of the war-general election proposed, 2971; war-time spirit and extravagance-advances unaccounted for- contracts without" tender, 2972; supervision of Parliament-loans to foreign countries 

 unnecessary appropriations, 2973; a profiteer's Budget-income tax delinquents-tax on war profits, 2974; war-wealth taxes in Britain, 2975; the community's share in production of wealth-high cost of living, 2977; industry and taxation- taxes on capital, 2979; manufacturers and freedom of production-basic industries, 2980; urban and rural populations, 2981; Liberal platform on agricultural production, 2982; ^Health Department and tuberculosis, 2983; child life and welfare-National policy,
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie-Con.
Budget-Con.
2984; St. John harbour and its trade, 2985; cargoes in as well as cargoes out-all classes to be considered in arranging taxation, 2987; Britain's industries and tariff policy, 2987; England and Germany-Supreme Council of Peace Conference, declaration, 2988; Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2989; Government's promise of tariff revision, 2990; Liberal tariff platform and Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2991; Liberal party's fiscal policy-British preference, 2993; Sir Wilfrid Laurier and the Fielding tariff, 2994; common ground for Liberals, Farmers and Labour-need of unity on the part of those who think alike, 2995; two wings of the Government forces, 2996 Business of the House
Complaint of delay, 2778, 3506, 41fli2, 4274, 4314, 4547, 4586. See also under this head, Interim Supply Bill Defective legislation

complaint of, 2779, 3147
Hasty legislation, 2779 Legislation pending, 1789, 2723, 2779 Long sittings, 1893, 4432 Morning and Saturday sittings, 2778, 3684	.	'
Wednesday evening sittings, 1044-5 Canada's national status, 464 Constitution, power to amend, 468 Parliament, authority of, 468, 474 Sir Wilfrid Laurier and Sir Robert Borden, 472
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Business statement, 950 ''Canadian Inventor", steamer, 3226, 3359 Canadian National Railways Grand Trunk loans, 881 Withholding of information, 1656,1669-70 Canadian "Wheat Board, 4102 >
Cash gratuities to returned soldiers, 1083 Civil Service
Canadian National Railways employees, and, 3140
Classification, 3142-4, 3769, 3985, 4547 Insurance, 1055-6, 1779-80 Retirement of members of, 3836-9, 4063-8, 4461-2
Taxation of salaries, 579-80 Civil Service Bill-Senate amdts., 4059	,
Coal Operations Director, 3186-91 Jurisdiction, 3691	[DOT]
Orders in Council, ratification of, 3185, 3360-75
Cold storage and fox farming, 2407-9
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Concurrence in Supply, 4586 Contracts signed by Government before submission to House-Ottawa agreement, 1047
Criminal Code Arndt. (French version) 3081
Customs Tariff Act, 3174 Demobilization, 4550-3, 4585 Appropriation for, 1877, 1887 Dominion Franchise Bill
2r., reply to Mr. Guthrie, 723 Advance Polls, 1933-43, 1998-2002, 3874 Agents and officers, 1918 Aliens-certificates, 2075, 2212-7 Ballots
Counting before opening of poll, 1101 Forgery or destruction of, 1098 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1156-7 By-elections, 1091
Campaign funds, publicity - amdt., 4272-4
Canada Temperance Act, 2054, 3866 Chief Electoral Officer, 4136
Biggar, Mr. O. M., appointment of, 4268
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1069-72 Contributions, 783-4 Counting and reporting vote, 1109 Corrupt practices, 1160 Debate on, arrangements for, 1072, 1944, 2002
Deposit, 1092, 1095 Return of, 1110
Disqualification of candidates, 1086-8, 4271
Election expenses, 1929-32, 1155 Accounts, audit of, 1929 Return by agent, 1155 Election officers, 1075 Fees, etc., 1112, 3867
Enumerators. See under this title, Voters' lists.
False statement made to affect election, 1066
Indians, 15?5
Inquiry as to possible additions, 582 Interpretation
" Candidate," 1944 "Rural polling division," 1992 Liquor on polling day, 1108-9 Names not on list, 1926-8,
Oaths, 3877-8
Non.-contentious clauses, 775 Oath by elector, 1102 Ontario voters' lists, 3880-98
King, Hon. W. L. Mackenzie-Con.
Dominion Franchise Bill-Con.
Paid publicity-Amdt. (Mr. McMaster) to 3r., 4376
Peace and good order, 1105-7 Polling divisions, returning officer's discretion, 1995-6 Polls '
Fourteenth day, 1101 Hours to be open, 1920-2 Preparation of voters' lists, clause not acceptable, 3905-6 Provincial lists, amdt. to 3r., 4361 Recall, the, 2043 Recount by judge, 1110 " Registrar " and " enumerator," 1096-7 Registration-interrogatories, 1167 Telegraph communications by, 1068 Vacancies, 10911 Voters' lists
Addition and elimination of names, 3911-3
Candidates, to, 3908 Preparation of, 3879, 3905-6 Provincial, adoption of, 235*5-7, 2365-6, 2421-36
Voting, manner of, 1103 Drill halls, 3147-8 East Elgin vacancy, 11, 1085 Eight-hour day, 373, 451-2 Contractual rights, 373-4 Employment offices, 3087 Minister, powers of, 3091-2 Orders in Council, effect of, 3091 Estimates and their consideration, 30, 567, 859, 918, 2779, 3215-7, 3769, 4586-8 European distress, 4546 Exchequer Court Act, 2201 Export regulations, 3622, 3690 Farm problems-fertilizers, 2405-7 Food and Drugs Bill, 956-61, 97,1-9, 1257-8 Franchise. See under this title, Dominion Franchise
Citizenship, and, 340
Gisborne, Mr. F. H., Parliamentary Counsel, 45*87
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 11, 11,13 1291, 1313, 14 S 8, 1509-10 Appeal from Chairman's ruling-difference in question as put, 1327 Arbitrators, 3860
Correspondence, 1228, 1235, 1251-8 Ratification of agreement, 1329 Strike of 19*10 and pensions, 1136-7, 132956, 1537-51, 1557-61, 4507-12 Amdt. to 3r., 1547 Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2382
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Cash gratuities, 1083 Great War Veterans' Association charges, 3223 Settlement, 1684 Speaker's Chair, 3225 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill " Excise and Sales " tax, 3318-23 Licenses, 3607 Stock in trade, 3604 Speer, Rev. Dr., statement by, 3492 Statistics, including census, 1880 Steel and Shipping merger, 1959-60 Supplementary estimates, inquiry as to, Supply and Budget, 918 Civil Government, 859 Com. of, arrangements for, 1597, 1615 Interim vote, 754-5 Technical education, 1762 Timiskaming election, 1995 Trade Commissions, 1885-6 War memorial, 3228
Washington, Canadian representative at, 448, 2178, 2454-63, 4540-3 Arndt, to reduce vote, 4540
King's Bench, Court of, jurisdiction, 3295-6 Kingsmill, Admiral Sir Charles, 707 Kingston By-election, 459 Harbour improvements, 458 Income tax inspector, ques. 21S1 Kingsville public building, 3153 Kinmel Camp, 709
Knox, Mr. Andrew (Prince Albert)
Budget, 3051.' Increase revenues by lowering the tariff

farmers and packers, 3051; critics of Progressive party-attacks on Mr. Crerar-Canada should have greater population-immigration policy, 3053
Canadian National Railways, western extensions, 3388
Road and structural material, 3808 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3201 Stock-raising-sunflower ensilage, 2388
Kouchibouguac, 4578
Labour. See also International Labour Conference; League of Nations; Eight-hour day; Grand Trunk; Industrial Disputes; Bulgarian Treaty
Labour-Con.
Capital and, 16, 22 Employment offices, 4512-3 International Labour Conference, 3359 Joint industrial councils, 4512 National industrial conference, 4512 Washington Conference, 371
Labrie Brothers. See Habeas Corpus
Lachine Canal, work on, 3423, 3561 Bridge, 3778, 4236
Lafortune, Mr. David A. (Jacques Cartier) Indemnity of members, 3228 Lachine canal bridge, 3778, 4236 St. Anne bridge, 3775
Lake of the Woods, 3985
Lalor, Mr. Francis R. (JIaldimand)
Luxury taxes in United States, 2528-9 Oleomargarine, 1782-4 y Special War Revenue Automobiles, 3598 Bank overdrafts, 3798-3800 Jewellery, 3583 Sales tax, 3609-17 Silk goods, 3573
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Laprairie and Napier-ville)
Budget, 2766. Balance sheet, items entered as assets, 2766; Canadian National Railways, deficit - prosperity and prices, 2767; expenditure criticised, 2768; war and conscription, 2769; burden of taxation-low revenue tariff favoured, 2770; war profiteers, 2771 Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4444, 4450-5 Amdt. in Com. negatived, 4457-8 Judges' salaries, 4417-25, 4333 2r. of Bill objected to, 4341 Militia, 3650 Potato bag, -4562
Land Surveyors, ques. 1115, ques. 2006
Land Tax. See Taxation
Lands. See Dominion Lands; Indians Canadian Northern, in Quebec, ques. 1626, ques. 2008
West, in, ques. 1118
Langton, Brig.-Gen. J. G., ques. 541, ques. 811
Language Questions, 87, 110, 209. See also Dominion Franchise; Education, Criminal Code Amdt. (French Version)
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Language Questions-Con.
Auditor General's report, ques. 1627 Bilingual stamps, ques. 214 Blue books, ques, 992, ques. 1004 Calendar, House of Commons, ques. 2005 Customs forms, 3859 Debates reporters, 1425 Editorial Committee, 4322. See also Printing
Election proclamation, 1828. See also this title under Dominion Franchise Farmers' Account Book, ques. 315 House of Commons, in, 697, 1039, 4587 Income tax forms, 1084, 1573 Lennox Mr. Justice and non-English speaking witness, 1231 Pensions report, 2016 Publications in French, ques. 541 Replies in English to letters in French, 1045
Schools, in, 285.
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest (Quebec East)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 2641. Proposed general election, 264; by-elections, 265; Union Government and public opinion, 266; mandate of Parliament, 268; cleavage between progress and reaction, 269; illness of Prime Minister, 270; Unionist party differences-Liberal party's attitude, 271; Franchise Act and redistribution, 272; Imperial Conference, 273 Air Service, 4555-6 British Columbia Indians, 793-5 Budget Speech, inquiry for copies of, 2626 Business Profits war tax, 3113 Public utilities, 2229-34)
Civil Service classification, 555-6 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3370 Easter adjournment, 752 Electricity, competition and taxation, 3113-7
European distress, 4546 Exchequer Court, 2201-3 Federal Bureau of Education, 1383, 1401 Franchise Bill
Advance and proxy voting, 1163 Aliens-certificate, 2062-3, 2100-1, 221921
Assistant Chief Electoral officer, 1513
Canada Temperance Act, 2053-4
Chief Electoral officer, 4266-7
Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1072-3
Contributions, 782-3
Debate on, arrangements for, 1837
Disqualification
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1813-4 Indians, 2055
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Interpretation

"Standard time," 1989 Polling divisions, 1518-21 Recall, the, 2036
Returning officers - public officials, Voters' lists, 2418-30
Married Women's names, 1827, 2418-22
Gaspesia-railway extensions-memorial of Quebec Board of Trade, 4216-7 House of Commons Notices of motion, 1628 Saturday and morning sittings, 2782 Staff, 4414, 4563
French translators, 1043 Journals, 1039 Immigration Act, 3426 Imperial Conference, 114 Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4437 Income tax, 3242 Newspaper report, 4172 Indian Act Arndt. Bill, 4137, 4173-7 Industrial legislation, 1790 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1232 Militia, 3670 Annual drill, 3677
Moving pictures-Canadian National pictorial, 4544
National Transcontinental Railway, rentals, ques. 1461
Naval Service-additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4317-9 Parliament Building, 1424 Prime Minister's return, 2126 Quebec riots of 1918, 1209 Resignation for Kamouraska, 1 St. James 'by-election, 787 Soldier settlement, 1685 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill- Quebec Board of trade and, 3457 Vessel rates, proposed regulation of, 1734 Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2449 Winnipeg strikers, ques. 2181
Lapointe, Mr. L. A., M. P., death of, 1
Last Mountain River, Dam, 3788-9
Lavigueur, Mr. Henri E. (Quebec County) Fiset, Dr., Michel, ques. 317, 4530 Income tax, exemptions on account of children, 3298 Lennox, Mr. Justice, 1231 Militia, 3678
Orleans Island, public works, ques. 810 Parcel post supervisor, 4530 Parliament buildings, 1429 Pilotage, 1839
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Quebec riots of 1918, .1212 St. Jean wharf, ques. 817 St. Lawrence navigation, 3295 Ste.. Famille wharf, ques. 317, ques. 810 Special War Revenue Act Arndt. Bill - Musical instruments, 3628-9 Telephone contracts, ques. 1627
Leader of the Opposition
Speech on Address commended, 45 War the, and, 222, 1405
League of Nations, 8, 12, 161, 2(46, 4320.
See also Peace Treaty; Washington. Ames, Sir Herbert, Financial Director of Secretariat, general statement by, 3961 Armenia, 855, 1465, 3979 Belgium, 3978 Brazil, 3978
Canada and the United States, 500 Canada's contribution to defray expenses, ques. 316, ques. 410, ques. 589,'ques. 618, 3981, 4544
Canada's status under, 144, 214, 567. See also Canada's status
Canadian interests and representation, 567, 3982
Commercial treaties, 3973 Council of Nine, 3974 Disarmament, 3976 Eight-hour day, 449 Enforcement of decisions; 3975 German territory, occupation by France, 1046
Great Powers If they withdrew, 3973 Those not now members, 3983 Greece, 3978 India,, 361
Labour-Washington	Conference, decisions, 371
Lenroot reservations, 496
Military contribution, 492, 502
Next assembly, 3977
Peace, 938
Persia, 3968, 3975
Public and private sessions, 3973
Russia, Poland, Ukrainia, 3968, 3978
Saar Basin, 3963, 3974
Secret treaties, 3973
Self-determination, 3978
Spain, 3978
Typhus epidemic, 4545 United States
Failure of to join, ques. 1118 Representation of, 3977
Leduc, Mr. J. Alfred (Westmount-St. Henry) Butter prices, ques. 807 Grand Trunk entrance to Montreal, ques. 413
Hoarding foodstuffs, ques. 807 Lachine canal work, 3423, 3561 St. Pierre river floods, ques. 1115, ques. 4019
Westmount-St. Henri gatekeepers, ques. 998
Leger, Mr. Auguste T. (Kent, N.B.)
C. G. S. " Simcoe," ques. 413 Dredging, New Brunswick, 3781 Franchise Bill
Election expenses, 1932 Peace and good order, 1106 Polls, hours to be open, 1920-1 Proclamation-two languages, 1081, 1828-32, 2270-3 Returning officers, 1575 Voters' lists, provincial, 2332 Grand Trunk Railway, 1500-2 Inquiry for papers, 3769 Lightkeepers' remuneration, 1281, 2110 Milk tests, 2406 Oleomargarine, 1873 St. John armoury, ques. 994 Telegraphs and Telephones, 4576
Legislation. Royal Commission on, ques. 4502
Lemieux, Hon. Rodoiphe (Maisonneuve) (GaspO)
Administration of Justice
Labrie Brothers, case of, 3227, 3295, 3558-60, 3840 Bankruptcy Bill, 3256-63 Board of Commerce
Chairman, resignation of, 3863 Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4486-96 British mails, 4531
Budget, 2786. The new taxes, 2787; economy needed-naval expenditure rumours, 2788; British safety valves- Mr. Asquith and Mr. Lloyd George, 2789; The Onlooker and leading members of the Government, 2790; repressive measures criticized, 2791; Liberal party and tariff, 2792; Mr. M. Clark and the late Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 2794; party government-national unity, 2795
Buffalo herd, 3283
Canadian National Railways and Gaspesia, 4213-6
Caughnawaga, 3266
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Reorganization, ques. 3861
Griffenhagen and Associates, 3863, 4521-2, 3491 ^Holidays, 4261
Coal operations director, 3175 Coal Supply-M. to adjourn to discuss, 3686-8	-
Colonial Investment and Loan, 3859 Criminal Code Arndt. (French version) 3082 Customs
Appointments, etc., 3858-9 Forms, in French, 3859 DeCelles, Mr. 2968 Divorce Bills, charges, 4321, 4413 Dominion arsenals, 3717-20 Dorval military property, 3731 Dry docks, 4567-74
Editorial Board, 4559. See also, under this title Printing European distress, 4546 Fish inspection, 4586 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2223-4 Proclamation, language of publication, 1832, 2299-2302
Returning officers-public officials, 17991801
French treaty, 3425, ques. 3684, 4274, ques. 4323
Goods arrived-date of delivery, 4505 Fuel Supply-special powers for Railway Commission, 4325-30. See also under this title, Coal
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition-arbitration, ex-President Taft, 3490 Habeas Corpus. See, under this title, Administration
Hartney, Mr. E. P., 4566 House of Commons
Attendance of members, 4458 Staff-classification and organization, 4563-4
Income tax, 3237 Advertisements, 3240 Exemptions on account of children, 3298 Indemnity of members, 3310-1 Indemnities of members and salaries of ministers, 4442, 4458 Indian Act Arndt., 4137 Industrial Disputes, 2193-9 Judges' salaries and .pensions, 4422 Labrie Brothers. See under this title, Administration
Magdalen Islands, 4282-4 Relief ships to, 1742
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe-Con.
Mail service, increase in, 4526 Military Service branch, 4517 Naval Service, 3513
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4309
Navigation, Pjctou-Baie de Chaleur-St.
Lawrence, 2186-9, 3492-3 Newspaper postage rates, 3349 Zone system, 3351 Nile Voyageurs, 3857 Northern Canada, resources, 3283-4 Peace Conference Labour Bureau, 4507 Pecuniary Claims Convention, 3857-8 Penitentiary Act Arndt., 3410 Permanent force, commissions to N.C.O's, ques. 3619
Point of order-relevancy, 3743 Post Office Department, 3735-43 Estimates, 4521-2 '
Reorganization, 3739 Rural mail carriers, 4522 Post Office and Customs Departments Rumoured investigation of, 3491 Printing, Joint Com. on, 4257, 4322, 4505 Purchasing Commission, 4581 Quebec-Gaspe service, 4282 Reindeer herds, 3284 Returned soldiers' needs, 3212 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3197, 3206 St. John harbour, 3492-3, 4567-74 Shipping federation, 2266 Sick and distressed mariners, 2260-2 Special War Revenue, 3444 Chewing gum, 3594
Returned soldiers, exemption of, Arndt, proposed, 3446-7
Supply, Com. of, Saturday, order for, 3840 Tobacco, 3819
Washington, Canadian Minister at, 2464 Correspondence, 3080-1 West Indies, 2892-3, 3161
Lennox, Mr. Justice, alleged statement by, 1232
Lesage, Mr. J. E. (Hochelaga)
Proprietary Medicines, ques. 1036 War Tax stamps, ques. 807
Letter Carriers. See Post Office
Levis Drill Hall, ques. 1360, 3727
Library of Parliament, 211, 1426 Joint Com appointed, 307 Librarian, 114. See also DeCelles
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Federal Bureau of Education, 1371 Franchise Bill, 749
Aliens-certificate, 2091, 2096 Ballot boxes, 1097-8 By-elections, simultaneous, 1091 Chief Electoral Officer-Biggar, Mr. O. M„ appointment of, 4269 Conveyance of electors, 787 Deposit, 1094 Notices, 778 Oaths, 780 Recall, the, 2028
Returning officers, 1522,	1532-3, 1577,
Public officials, 1795-6, 1806 Voters' lists, 2426-36 Indemnity of members, 4074, 4448-9	[DOT]
Industrial disputes, 1910-11 Judges' salaries, ques. 1035, 4339, 4422 League of Nations, 3978 Marriage Act Amdt, 1787-8 Naturalization
"Disloyal," 3917-9 Galicians, 3922
Naval Service, additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4404 New party movement, 125 Oil from tar sands, 332-3 Oliver-St. Paul de Metis Railway, 344, 871
Privilege-comment on absence from House, 2968-9
Returned soldiers, provision for M. for special Com. 513 Soldiers' widows and children, ques. 920 Saturday and morning sittings, 2781-2 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4005 Speech read-point of order, 2966 Washington labour conference, 371
Mackie, Mr. Herbert J. (North Renfrew) Indemnity of members and salaries of ministers, 4446 Rural mail carriers, 4524
Maclean, Hon. A. K. (Halifax)
-Canadian Wheat Board, 4111 -Civil Service Act Amdt. 3133-9 Judges' salaries, 4421-2 Resignation as Minister, 448 Scientific Research, 2169
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 129, Union Government - Prime Minister and Parliamentary government, 129; proposed general election, 130
Maclean, Mr. W. F.-Con.
Business Profits tax-public utilities, 322934	.
Canadian National Railways Public ownership-duplications-colonization lines-community centres-situation in Toronto-public ownership in United States coming, 4195-9 Canadian Wheat Boardj 4351 Civil Service, technical officers, 4514 Coal-alienation of lands, 3811 Estimates and their discussion, 4589 Federal laws, enforcement of, 4506 Fuel supply, 4506
Special powers to Railway Commission 4331
Grank Trunk Railway acquisition, 1439-42 Judges' salaries, 4336-41 Labour representatives, 4613-4 Newsprint shortage, 2968 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3947 Railway Commission, jurisdiction over telephones, 2413 Rural mail, 452S
Soldier Settlement-housebuilding, 1687 Steel and shipping merger, 1955-60 Toronto Union station, 3225-6
MacNutt, Mr. Thomas (Saltcoats)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 174. Proposed general election -census and representation, figures, 174; income tax and land value tax- the Farmers' party, 175; Liberals and free trade, 176
Budget, 2884. New party and its names- its pla/tform on the tariff-former Liberals supporting the Budget, 2884; Mr. Stacey and duty on apples-Opposition tariff policy, 2885; effect of Budget on public revenues and on prices, 2887; income tax, land value tax, 2888; no tariff at all but land value tax and if necessary other direct taxes, 2889
Canadian Pacific Railway freight rates, ques. 2010
Franchise Bill, advance polls, 3876 Indemnity of members, 4081 Wheat participation certificates, ques. 802; ques. 802
McCoig, Mr. A. B. (Kent, Ont.)
Agricultural machinery, standardizing, 2079
Apple barrel, 2018
Budget, 2626. Manufacturers and tariff- United Farmers, 2627; effects of policy on stock-raising, 2628; profiteering
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Budget, 2864. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-trade and production, 2864; national debt, 2865; revenue and expenditure-new taxes, 2866; Mr. Fielding's amdt. and address, 2867; fiscal policy of Liberal party, 286S; tariff investigation and amendment, 2869; national policy, 2870 Canadian National Railways Prince Edward Island car ferry- standardization of railway - winter navigation-Georgetown harbour and terminals-invitation to Prince Edward Island, 4208-12 Car ferry, 2103 Franchise Bill
"Ecclesiastics," 1078 Polls, hours to be open, 1926 Voters' lists, provincial, 2360 Grading export butter and cheese, 60'^ Icebreakers, 210®
Dightkeeper's salaries, 2111 Masters and mates, examiner, 1610 North Lake harbour, 3159 School of navigation, 1612 Sick sailors, 3553-4 Soldier settlement, 2:152
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (Cape Breton North and Victoria;
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 46, 47. Congratulations, 47; new leader of the Opposition, 48; Montreal Gazette's and Hon. Robert Rogers' opinion of the Government, 50; Minister's absence from the House, 51; health of Prime Minister-extension of parliamentary term, 52; technical education - shipbuilding-production-returned soldiers-eivil service reform, 53; Liberal policy-late Liberal leader, 54; exchange rate and foreign trade, 55 Admiralty Act, 3086 Appeals in sumary convictions, 3418-9 Arrest and summoning of persons outside the province, 3417-8 Banff National Park, 3770-6 Bankruptcy Bill, 3258-65 Betting machine, 3416 Board of Commerce
Constitutional question, 3685 Porter, Mr. Arthur S., dismissal of, 568 Budget, 2580. Tariff and tariff commission, 2580; the Budget, its purpose, 2581: revenue and expenditure, 2582; luxury taxes and prices, 2588; foreign credits,
* 2584; governmental interference in
McKenzie, Mr. D. D.-Con.
Budget-Con.
trade, 2585; government and by-elections, 2585; parties and the tariff, 2587; Liberals' and Farmers' tariff resolutions, 2588
*Canada Grain Act, administration, 1877 Canadian National Railways Appointments, how made, 3140 Canadian National Railway Company, 345
Extensions, 3376, 3384-9, 3393-4 Victoria County, 4241 North Sydney terminal, 4251 Reply to general summary of Minister of Railways, 872 Taxation of, 3393-4 Withholding of information, 1657-8 Canadian Wheat Board, 4114 Cape Breton Need of railways, 876 Newfoundland steamship service, 4285 Civil Service
Bonus, 1270-2, 1276, 1280, 1284, 3147' Cheques, preparation of, 1285-7 Classification, 55®
Insurance, 1780 Retirement fund, 460, 3836 Salaries, 3541
Temporary employees, 3133-5 Outside Canada, 3129 War record, civil servants with, 3131 Coal and iron resources, 3'27 Coal mining-prevention of explosions, 3814
Coal Operations Director, 2698
Orders in Council, 3186	[DOT]
Orders of, 3191 Cold storage for bait, 2408 Commercial Feeding stuffs-, 3409 Criminal Code
Change of venue, 3421-2 Courts of appeal, 3428 Prisoner, re-election by, 3419-20 Currency Act Amdt., 460 Dominion lands, 1049-5O'
United States soldiers and, 1233 Dredging, 3786 Exchange rate, 65, 460 Exchequer Court, 2202-4 Experimental and demonstration farms, 2384-5
Firearms licenses, 8410, 3413 Fish inspection, 1053-4 Fisheries treaty with United States, 1290, 3161
Food and Drugs Bill, 957, 961-77, 1258-9, 1262
Prosecutions, 1268-9
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Food inspectors, 3540 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1942, 1999 Lists, 3'914
Aliens-certificate, 2101, 2204 Bribery, treating, undue influence, personation, 1156-8 Burden of proof, 1161, 1825 Clerk of Crown in Chancery, 107i Contributions, 1169 Corrupt practices, 1160 Deputy returning officers, 1074 Disqualification
Charitable aid, those receiving, 1818 Citizenships and franchise, 1824 Election officers, 1075-8 False statement made to affect election, 1066-7	[DOT]
Interpretation
"Lists of voters," 1989 "Voter," 1993-4
Orders in Council, repeal of 776-7 Payment of voters' expenses, 1064 Poll books, etc., returning officer, 1078-80 Preparation of voters' lists-complaint of unfairness, 3906
Proclamation-language of publication, 18-32
Registrars, rural, attendance of, 3908-9 Returning officers, 1161, 1589-90 Voters' lists
Provincial, 1989, 23.29, 2341-6, 2348, 2361-4
Voting notwithstanding disqualification. 1161, 1825
Writ of election, 1166 Franking privilege, 3358 Gas and electricity inspection, 1887 Government annuities, 462-3 Government steamers-wages. 1609-11 Grand Trunk Railway, 1291,1299-il300,1486, 1489, 1596-7
Branch lines, 1313-6, 1321 . Stock, 1321	,
Strike of 1910 and pensions, 1130, 1551, 1568
Halifax-Cape Breton service, 42S1 Halifax explosion, 3698-9 jHarbour dues, 2189 Highlander's plaid and clasp, 445 Housing expenditure, 35.50'	.
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Assessment methods, 3254 Charities, 3247, 3314 Delinquents, 3120, 3123-4 Exemptions, 3127 " Householders," 3249 Indians,
British Columbia, 951-5
Economic and religious situation, 3268
Education of, 3277	[DOT]
Enfranchisement, 4038-40 Nova Scotia, 3272-3 Tuberculosis amongst, 3275 Industrial disputes, 1901-4, 1912, 1972-3, 2199-2200
Isle Madame fishery officers, ques. 3294 Irrigation, 3698-9 League of Nations
Britain's treaty-making power and, 349 Washington Labour Conference, 355 Liberal leadership, and, 898, 913, 1277 Liquor sales-jurisdiction, 3498 Live stock shipments inspection, 1615 Loan Companies, 1778-9 I^otbiniere and Megantic Railway, 950 Marine hospitals, 3552-3 Masters and mates, 406, 562-4, 573-4, 979-87 Examiners, 1611 Militia
Cadet service, 3703 Headquarters officers, ques. 344 Mines Dept., explosives, 3804 Moving pictures of Canada, 1884 Naturalization, 3918 Naval Service, badges, 446 Necessaries, prices of, 327 Newfoundland, 4276, 4278-9, 4281 Cattle trade-veterinary, 2410 North Sydney
Harbour and breakwater, 2186, 3493-94 Terminal facilities, 875, 4241 Oleomargarine, 1875-7 Opium and Drug Bill, 1643-4, 1761, 1900 Ottawa city, agreement with, 578,	581,
Parliamentary restaurant, 3095-6 Patent Record, 1886 Peace Treaty, 1058-60 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3947 Fisheries and returned men, 3948 ' Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044-5
Vocational training, 3949 Widowed mother, 4044 Pictou harbour, 2186 Pilotage, 1967
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Railway Act Arndt. (Provincial jurisdiction) 3635
Railways, Govt. vs. private ownership, 372 Registration of shipping, 1614 Returned soldldrs' insurance, 4064-5 Returned soldiers, 525
Soldier settlement, 527, 1695 Fishermen, aid to, 1691, 3948 St. John harbour-pitots, 2120 St. Lawrence dredging, 1617-20 Schools of navigation, 1612-3 Scottish Canadian Insurance Corporation, 583
Shipbuilding	'
Contracts, 911 Prices, 912
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3999, 4009-16, 4137, 4157, 4166
Sick and distressed mariners, 2266-7 Special War Revenue Candy, 3593
Collection, method of, 3482
Debate on Bill, arrangements for, 3456
Excise and sales taxes
Returned soldier amdt. (Mr. Lemieux) 3452-3
Sporting goods, 3571-2 Spirits, illicit distillation, 3817 Statutes, suggested revision and consolidation, 3621, 4053
Steamboat inspection, 10'5il, 1767-76 Steamers "Champlain" and "Lady Grey," ques. 3619
Steel and shipping merger, 1965 Supply, interim, vote, 756 Supreme Court Act, 2315-16	i
Sydney harbour
South Bar lighthouse, 2116 Sydney Quarantine station, 3148 Sydney-Whycocomagh service, 4287 Terminal elevators, 1878-9 Ticket-of-leave system, 398 Treaty of Peace, ratification, 476 Wednesday evening sittings, 1046 Wharves and wharfage, 2123, 2189 Wheeler, Mr. S-rust proof wheat, 2388 Yukon and British Columbia, 3282
McMaster, Mr. Andrew R. (Brome)
Air service, 4555 Alien immigrants, 833 Asbestos, 4513 Banff National park, 3772 Board of Commerce-Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4474-8, 4494
Bright, John, on hours of labour, 326 Budget, 2518-24). Gross and net debt-taxation methods, 2521; inflation and rates
McMaster, Mr. Andrew R.-Con.
Budget-Con.
of duty, 2622; deficit, and suggestions of economy, 2523; military preparations, 2523; public works, 2524; subsidies, 2526; taxation; methods, 2526; luxury taxes, 2628; tariff investigation, 2329; protection, or free trade, 2530; United States free list-"Reduction Rimes," 2533
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Civil Service insurance, and, 1780 Canadian Mission in London, ques. 410 Canadian National Railways
Nomenclature and legislation, 3390 Taxation of, 3394
Withholding information, 1672-4, 1680 Coal Operations Director, 3694 Coinage
Deficient, 461
Silver-International standard, 400 Debates, difficulty of hearing, 1418 Eastern Townships, scenic beauty, 3538 Exchequer Court, 2204 Export regulations, 3622 Food and Drugs Bill, 955-9, 966-70 Franchise Bill, 738 Compulsory voting, 1062 Contributions-amdt. 1171, 1192-0 Paid propaganda, amdt. to 3r., 4374 Polling divisions, 1516, 1518-9 Proclamation, language of publication, 2284-5
Returning officers, 15124-5	.
Telegraph, communications by, 1068 Franking privilege, 3762-8 Grand Trunk Railway, 1313, 1326-8 Appeal from ruffing of Chairman, 1327 House of Commons, pages, 3098-9 Indemnity of members, 4452 International Joint Commission1-Sir William .Hearst - Non-representation of Quebec, 3986 Irrigation, 3695-3701 Judges' salaries, 4419 Labour, Minister of, 4513 League of Nations, 3988
Expenses, Canada's contribution, ques. 410
Loan Companies, 1778 Militarism, 3706-7 Militia, Cadet service, 37 04 - 8, 3 7 0 6 Mines Department and Geological Survey, 4513 .
Missisquoi Bay, 3538 Naval Service badges, 444 News Service, 4333 Opium and Drug Bill, 1758
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Advance and proxy voting, 1165 Contributions, 1190-1
Disqualification-charitable aid, those receiving, 1815, 181S-9 " Ecclesiastics," 1078 Non-residents and non-electors, 786 Voters' lists, 2429-30 Income tax-aliens in Canada, 3250 National resources development, M. In favour, 1017 Oleomargarine, 1864 Opium and Drug Bill, 1759 Returned Soldiers, M. for Special Com. 519
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 390 Shipbuilding-foreign trade, 906 Special War Revenue Ethyl alcohol, 3604 Furniture, 3575 Medicines, 3627, 3631 Sporting Goods, 3571 War medals, ques. 1003, 1046, ques. 1120
Mann, Sir Donald, private car, ques. 2183
Mantezono. See Labrie
Manufacturers. See also debates on Address; Budget
Aid in appeals, 321	,
United States competition, 2857 Vessel rates, 1728
Maple Products Adulteration Bill, lr., 582; 2r., 796; com, 796,	1254; [DOT] 3r., 1256;
Senate amdts., 2366, 4020
Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)
Banff National park, 3777 Bonaventure
Experimental farms, ques. 414 Pensions, ques. 993 Postmasters, ques. 507 Public Works engineer, ques. 411 Wharves, ques. 411
Bonaventure and Gaspe, dairy products and fish, ques. 587 Bridges and the provinces, 3771-3 Campbellton-Cross Point Bridge, ques. 3490
Ferry, ques. 342, ques. 411, ques. 588,. ques. 1789, ques. 2415 Canadian National Railways-cars, 864 Chambly fort, 3725 Civil Service retirement, 3833 Dredging, 3783-7
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Franchise Bill
Election expenses, 1932 Polls, hours to be open, 1921-2 Gascons wharf, ques. 411 International Joint Commission, 3986 League of Nations, 3982 Matapedia
Bridge and highway, 3780, ques. 411 Station, freights, ques. 587 Mines Dept., 3803 Explosives, 3804 Montreal barracks, 3724-7 Montreal-Quebec-Gaspe service, ques. 587 Newsprint shortage, 2968 Peat, 3806
Public works, resident engineers, 3787 Quebec and Western Railway, ques. 411, ques. 412
Quebec, Oriental and Atlantic Railway.
ques. 411, ques. 412, ques. 507 Registered postal rate, 3732-5 Restigouche bridge, ques. 411	.
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3998 Special War Revenue Lace, 3793
Prices, how arrived at, 3790 Spirits and beer, 3817-8 Tache, Mr. Chas. Eugene, ques. 3490 Tobacco, 3818-9
Marcile, Mr. J. E. (Bagot)
Acton Vale post office, ques. 1899 Bagot
Electoral list, ques. 2011 Postal inspection, ques. 2721 Flynn, Capt. Percy, ques. 2415 Franchise Bill, 199.1-2 Military Service defaulters, ques: 507 Picard, Mr. Elzear, ques. 993 Ste. Rosalie-Bagot spur line, ques. 2009 Theodore d'Acton post office, ques. 2011
Margeson, Mr. J. W., ques. 1026
Marine. See also Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Canada Shipping Act. For vessels, see that title Buoys, 2116 Department
Classification, 2113
Members of Parliament, treatment of, 2121
Services, restored to, 3507 Hospitals, 3552. See also Canada Shipping Act (Sick and Distressed Mariners) Liquor shipments and, 2107 Wrecking plants, 1615, 2103'
Wrecks, investigations, 1612
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Com. appointed, .307
Maritime Provinces, Harbour Commissions, 349'2-3
Marriage Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 1787
Marriage Licenses, 3415
Marshall, Mr. David, M. P., death of, 1, 10
Martin, Mr. Peter F. (Halifax)
Fisheries
Benefits from government policy, 3535 Estimates, 3521 Halifax explosion, 36'9'9 Voters' lists, 23(37
Masonic Records in Parliament Tower, ques. 2894
Masters and Mates. See that title under Canada Shipping Act
Matapedia
Highway, quest 411, 3780 Station, ques. 587
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Matches-use of phosphorus, 356
Mayrand, Mr. Hormisdas (MaskinongO) Louiseville postmaster, ques. 1739
Meat and Qanned Goods Inspection, 2411
Medicines-See Foods and Drugs; Opium and Drugs; Inland Revenue; Proprie-, tary; Special War Revenue
Meighen, Hon. Arthur (Minister of the Interior and Superintendent General of In" dian Affairs.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 152; Farmers' movement a class movement, 153; franchise and conscription of aliens; reply to Mr. Caldwell-Canada's national status, 156; monetary exchange and trade, 157; proposed general election-Cabinet representation-illness of Prime Minister, 158; Union Government's mandate-government by commission, 159; vacancies, 160 Alien immigrants, 831, 2238-40 Alpine Club, 3288 Banff National park, 377il-i2 Board of Commerce, Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4492-4500
British Columbia Indians, 386,	787-95,
950-5. 1047, 3273*. See also under this title, Indian Act.
Meighen, Hon. Arthur-Con.
Budget, 2683. "Advances unaccounted for," 26S3; luxury taxes, 2684; income tax in Canada, in Great Britain and in New Zealand, 2685-2707; tariff-England as an example, 2686; balance of trade, Great Britain and the United States, 2687; people below the poverty line, 2688; effect of free trade on movement of population, 2689; British industry and free trade, 26901 United States an alleged free trade country, 2690; agricultural population in Great Britain and in Canada, 2090; Great Britain and Germany in the field of manufacture, 2691; British reports on industries- iron, steel, tinplate, 2692; electrical trades, engineering trades, 2695; cotton trade, textile industries, 2696; Diberal party and tariff, 2697; Farmers' party tariff plank, 2699; duty on agricultural implements, 2701; Mr. Fielding and "adequate protection," 270,2; tariff and foodstuffs, 2703; answers to questions invited-Diberal and agrarian party platforms, 2704; Mr. Crerar and direct taxation-tax on unearned increment of land, 2706; tariff should remain in force pending revision, 2708
Canadian Forestry Association, 328<5 Canadian National Railways and Canadian Government Merchant Marine Information properly withheld, 1664, 1668-70
Canadian Wheat Board, 4115-24,	4136,
Capital punishment, 1152 Coal Operations Director, 3696 Fuel situation, 3175, 3182-92 Orders in Council, 3186-9 Ratification of, 3361, 3365-75 Orders of Director, 3189-92 Dominion Hands Act Amdt. 704, 1048-50 Homesteading privileges to United States Soldiers, 1113, 1233-4
Dominion Water Powers Branch, 3289-93 Employment offices, 2313-4, 3087, 4512-3 Minister, powers of, 3092 Orders in Council, effect of, 3088-91 Explosive works at Beloell, 2314 Franchise Bill, 7'56-91 Aliens-certificate, 2238-40 Grand Trunk Railway	.
Stocks, value of, 1562-3, 1572 Strike of 1910, 1556-64 Hurons of Dorette, 1152
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Indian Act Arndt. Bill, 386, 795-6, 4029-40, 4137, 4174
Indian lands (British Columbia) 386 Indians, 3265-80
Agents-salary and bonus, 3273 British Columbia, 3273 .Caughnawaga, 3266-7 Education, 3277-80 Game laws and, 3280 Gordon's Reserve-school, 3270-1, 3278 Health and medical attendance, 3275 -Tuberculosis, 3276 Hurons of Lorette, 1152 Missionary work amongst, 3268 New Brunswick, 3273 Nova Scotia, 3273
Prairie Provinces and Northwest, 3267 Prince Edward Island, 3273 Reserves, surrender of, 3274 Self-sustaining, 3268 Sioux, 3267
Six Nations-education, 3280 Ungava-distress amongst - reindeer herds to be established, 3276 Yukon, 3274
Industrial Disputes, 1900-15, 1971-5, 1981-5, 2190-2200, 2248
International boundary surveys, 3293 Irrigation Act Arndt., 3358, 3694-3702 Joint Industrial Councils, 4512 Labour Dept, salaries, 4506 Lake Winnipeg and Elk Island, 3287 Macallum, Professor, 3806 Mill, John Stuart, and protection, 2907 Mines Dept. 3801-15, 4513 Coal, 3810
Dominion slnd provinces, 3803 Explosives, 3804 Explosions, avoidance of, 3814 Investigation of deposits, leases, etc., 3808
Lignite, 3805 Oil, 331, 3808-10 Overlapping, 3802 Peat, 3806
Resignations, salaries, etc., 3801-3805 Resources, alienation of, 3810 Road and structural material, 3808 National defence, 4302-4 National Industrial Conference, 4512 National parks, 3283, 3771 Naturalization-franchise and, 770-1 Natural resources of Western Provinces, 3293
Naval Service, 4302-4, 4315
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000 4393-7
Meighen, Hon. Arthui-Con.
Northern Canada's area, resources and administration, 3280-4 Northwest Game Act Arndt. 2892 Oil-Canada's position and resources, 331 Peace Conference Labour Bureau, 4507 Permanent Force, 3210-1 Provincial affairs and federal aid, 833 Reindeer-caribou, 3276, 3284 St. John River water-powers, 3290-3 Seed grain advances, 3286-8 Soldier Settlement, 1289, 1685-1702, 2127-50, 3218-24
Administration-criticism, 3223 Defaults, 3223 Fishermen, 3219 Irrigated lands, 3223 Loans, employment for districts, 3220 Ministerial explanation, 3192-4 Provincial free grants and, 3223 Repayments, 3218 Solicitors' fees, 3218 Staff, salaries, 3221-3 Training and allowances, 3224 Surveys, 3293
Tariff, personal position on-Mr. Crerar's criticism, 2900 Tar sands, 333 Technical Education, 1761 Yukon administration, 3281-2 British Columbia and, 3282 Yukon Placer Mining Act, 2892, 3106, 4264
Members of Parliament. See also Jlouse of Commons
Attendance of in House, 2782-6
Members' Indemnity. See House of Commons
Members' Stenographers, salaries of, ques. 2311
Menace, the, ques. 1899
Mennonites, emigration to United States, 2127, 2179, 2248
Mercantile Marine. See Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine; Canada Shipping Act
Metabetchouan postmaster, ques. 1120, 2876
Meteorological Service, 2125
Methylated Spirits for industrial power, 324, 3820-1
Mewburn, Hon. Sidney C. (East Hamilton) Battlefields Committee, 2078 Resignation as Minister, 447
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Copper, 4513
Department, 3801. See also Geological Survey
Employees, resignation, ques. 672, 3802, 45112
Labour in, 370
Machinery, imported, ques. 1625 Oil, 331, 3281, 3808-10 Unused mineral deposits, 3810
Ministers of the Crown. See also Cabinet Absence of, from Seat of Govt. 39 Attendance in Parliament, 51 Disqualification as candidate for House of Commons, 1086 Resignations of, 386, 447 Salaries, 3228, 4279
Minneapolis stockyards, 3166-7
Mint. See also Coinage; Ottawa Mint Act The Royal, Ottawa Branch, 565
Missisquoi Bay, Net fishing, 3535-8
Molloy, Mr. J. P. (Provencher)
Elevators, ques. 13.58 Franchise Bill Polling divisions, 1518 Returning officers, 1595 Notices of motion, inquiry, 1628
Monroe Doctrine, 4294, 4310, 4404
" Montcalm," Icebreaker, 1060. See also Icebreakers
Montmagny, Colonization lots in, ques. 1229 Montreal
Corn Exchange, vessel rates, 1727 Harbour, wharves, ques. 674 Immigrants, landing at, 3026-8
Montreal and Hull Highway, 1113
Morden, Col., 1948
Morphy, Mr. Hugh B. (North Perth)
Active militia-allowances, 3659 British North America Act Arndt. 811 Canadians in Imperial service-Capt. Barron, 857
Cattle trade, 0373 Dairy industry, 2403-4 Difficulty in hearing debates, 463 Eight-hour day, 452-®
Franchise Bill
Chief Electoral officer-Mr. Biggar, K.C., 4267
Conveying voters, 1061
Morphy, Mr. Hugh B.-Con.
Franchise Bill-Con.
Counting and reporting vote, 1109 False statement made to affect election, 1066
Interpretation, "Candidate " 1943-4 Liquor on polling day, 1108-9 Peace and good order, 1106 Polls, hours to be open, 1924-5 Proclamation-language of publication, 1829-30, 2274, 2285, 2293-6, 2304-6 Provincial lists, 3898 Returning officers Oath of, 1166 Public officials, 1797 Voters' lists, 2425-6 Franking privilege, 3764-7 Grand Trunk Railway
Strike of 1910, and pensions, 1128, 1133, 1537-9, 1566, 4509-11 Government annuities, 463	.
House of Commons staff, 4565 Industrial disputes, 2197 Intercolonial Railway, 1443 League of Nations Armenia, 3979
Enforcement of decisions, 3976 Provinces of Canada, position of, 452 Secret treaties, 3973-4 Second meeting, 3978 United States, 3981-2 Lignite, 3805
Militia-Dominion arsenals, 3718-9 National defence, 4302-3 Newspaper postage, 3753 Oil-leases, etc., 3809 Peat, 3807
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, provincial authorities and, 3196 Rulings and statements as Chairman Chair to be addressed, 4481 Decorum, 4481 Judiciary, reference to, 4483 Shipbuilding advances Bill, 4149, 4163 Soldier Settlement, 1688, 2153 Steel ammunition charges, 3718-9 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586
Morrison's Limited, ques. 997
Motions, Inquiries concerning, 1628
Motor Cars. See Automobiles
Mounted Police. See Royal Canadian
Moving Pictures
Canada film service, 1882 Canadian National Pictorial, 4544 Tax on, removal of, 2487, ques. 3489
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Active militia-allowances, 3658-9 Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 56. Proposed general election -by-election in Assinibola, 56; Hon. Mr. Blondin'-French Canadian Cabinet representation, 57; Liberal party and war policy, 58; Union party and Liberal members-conscription and party, 59
Budget, 2576. Congratulations to Finance Minister-tariff, 2576; agricultural implement prices-tariff and manufacturing concerns from United States, 2577; Mr. Fielding and tariff, 2578; militia expenditure and military preparedness, 2579; Imperialism, 2580 Canada Security Assurance Company, 1103 Canadian Expeditionary Force, ques. 1200 Civil Service retirement, 4067, 4464 Divorce Bills, remission of charges, 4413 Franchise Bill Ballot-black border, 1168 Compulsory voting, 1064 Contributions - Assiniboia expenses, 1174-8
Election officers, 3868 Non-residents and non-electors, 785 Judges' salaries and pensions, 4426 Naval service, 3510 Badges, 441 Oleomargarine, 1873-4 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4152 Special War Revenue Food, explanation desired, 3632-3 T. Eaton Life Assurance Company, 669 Toronto military property, 3728, 3730 Universal military training, M. in favour of, 923
Municipal Employees, Industrial Disputes Investigation Act and, 1902
Munitions Resources Commission, 2892
Murdock, Mr. See Board of Commerce
Murphy, Hon. Charles (Russell)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 231. Reply to Mr. Rowell- Religious orders from France, 231; secretarial fund, 238; Mr. Rowell's income tax, 240; expenditures on conferences, publicity, etc., 241; Department of Health-Mounted Police, 242; Mr. Rowell and his colleagues, 245; Peace Treaty and League of Nations- eight-hour day, 246; circular of Orange order, 249; proposed general election, 254
Murphy, Hon. Charles-Con.
Board of Commerce, Robson, Judge, resignation of, 11, 114 Budget, inquiry as to, 1047 Dominion Lands Act (United States Soldiers) 1234 Franchise Bill Advance polls, 1999 Interpretation, 1986-S, 1987, 1988 Pass on railway, 1065 Telegraph, communications by, 1069 Grand Trunk Railway, 1242-3, 1250 Greek wheat contract, ques. 509 National debt, ques. 309 Naval defence policy, ques. 309 Newsprint Supply,'2893 Parliament Building, ques. 311; ques. 311 Cost, etc., 311
Parliamentary Com., ques. 311 P. Lyall Company, 3156 Point of order-comment on document quoted, 234-6
Prime Minister, illness and absence of, 9 Shipbuilding-contracts and prices, 901-2 Vatican Mission, ques. 310
Murray Bay-Tadoussac Service, 652
Mutual Insurance Companies, taxation of, ques. 2012, 2080
Myers, Mr. E. T. W. (Kindersley)
Canada Grain Act, 3823 Flax fibre grants, ques. 806 Wheat trade, 3823-4
National Battlefields Commission, 421
National Council of Women, oleomargarine and, 1841
National Debt, ques. 309. See also Finance Loams in the United States, ques. 313
National Defence, 4302
National Industrial Conference, 4512
National Parks, 3769
National Transcontinental Railway. See
Canadian National
Natural Resources.
M. (Mr. Manion) in favour of development, 1017
Prairie provinces, of, ques. 995, 1047, ques. 1461, 3049, 3293
Royal Commission on, ques. 4502
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Nat uralization, 817. See also Aliens; Dominion Franchise, aliens, qualification of electors
Imperial citizenship, and, ques. 996 Papers, fraudulent, ques 4096
Naturalization Act, 1914, Arndt. Bill, lr.,
3682; 2r., com., 3914; 3r., 3922; Senate amdts. 4416
Naval Defence, ques. 309. See also Naval Service
Admiral Jellicoe's report, 308 Statement by Minister of the Naval Service, 3498
Naval Service
Additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4380 Badges, 437, ques. 506 Canadian officers, 4299 Civil Service Insurance and, 1779 Coast defence of Canada, United States and, 4294, 4298
Construction, programme of nations, 4301 Correspondence with Imperial Government, 4408, 4413, 4503 Demobilization, 4299 Estimates, how considered, 4380, 4411 Halifax and Esquimau depots, 4296-7, 4307, 4390, 4394
Naval college, graduates, 4562 Naval conference of 1921, 4300 " Niobe " and " Rainbow," 4292-3. See also that title
Salaries of Dept., 4409
Ship construction, material, ques. 1114
Statement by Minister, 707
Navigation, aid and protection of, 2115 Schools of, .1612
St. Lawrence River-lie d'Orleans, 3295
Navigation Rates. See Railway Act Arndt.
Navy, ques. 540. See also dehates under Canadian Government Merchant Marine; Naval Service
Jellicoe, Admiral, 11. See also that title Ships from Great Britain, 4413
Navy League of Canada, ques. 802
Nesbitt, Mr. E. W. (North Oxford)
Chairman, Committee of the Whole, Rulings as, 1326
Unanimous consent for statement in Supply, 2379
Civil Service retirement, 3833 Colonial Investment and Loan, 3859 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3403 Demonstration farms, 2396
Nesbitt, Mr. E. W.-Con.
Eight-hour day, 376
Food and Drugs Bill, 958, 963, 1257-8
Franchise Bill, 1066
Fuel, transportation cost, 330
House of Commons staff, 4565-6
Income tax
Beneficiaries, 3243 Charities, 3247, 3312 Deficits and losses, 3240-1 Five per cent added, 3251-2 Indemnity of members, 32^2 Returns, 3253-4 Stock dividends, 3239-40 Judges' salaries, 3851 Natural resources, oil leases, 3810-3 Naval service badges, 445-6 Newspaper postage rates, 3348 Pensions, 433
Widowed mother resident outside Canada, 4045
Returned soldiers, 528 Insurance, 4054-5 Report of Committee, 1082 Rural mail carriers, 4522 Senate staff, 4060
Soldier settlement, 2129-30, 2138-43 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Automobiles, 3599 Collection, method of, 3344-5 Prices, effect on, 3330 Steel and shipping merger, 1952-3 Western Assurance Company, 3860
Neuville Station, ques. 2721
Newfoundland
Cape Race light, 2117 Trade with, 4241, 4242, 4276-7
New Parliament Buildings. See Parliament Buildings
New York-Canadian publicity branch at, 1882
Newspaper Postage. See Post Office Act Amdt.
Newspapers. See also Newsprint; Post Office Act Amdt.; Press
Payments to for printing, ques. 1114 Propaganda, and, 4375
Newsprint
Control, ques. 588, ques. 2720
Controller, resignation of, ques. 315, ques. 589
Embargo, ques. 994
Exportation and embargo, 1358, ques. 1114
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Opium and Drug Bill. Res. 557; lr., 562; 2r., 1621, 1629; com. 1632, 1744; 3r„ 1900; Senate amdts., 3081
Orange order, 249, 285
Oranges and Figs grown in the open in British Columbia, 1016
Orders in Council. See also War Measures; Coal operations'
Employment offices, 3087 Legislation and Government by, 31, 38, 177, 2018, 2-0(20-1
Orientals
Canada, in, 825
Vote, and, See Dominion Franchise
Orleans, Island of, public works, ques. 810
Ostend, Allies Conference at, 2476, 2574
Ottawa
Agreement with Corporation, 557. See also Ottawa Agreement Bill Connaught Rifle Range, 3728 Daly building, rental of, ques. 1200 Mackenzie Avenue, ques. 999 Public buildings, 3154 New, ques. 100-2
Wellington street-public building, ques. 1002
Ottawa Agreement Bill. Res. 576, 557, lr„ 581; 2r„ com., 988; 8r„ 1047
Ottawa Improvement Commission. See debates under Ottawa Agreement
Ottawa Mint Act Arndt. Bill. Res. 615; lr., 6116; 2., com., 3r„ 798
Otter, Sir William Dillon, ques. 673
Overdrafts, bank. See Special War Revenue
Oxford County, Ont., products, 1010
Pacaud, Mr. L. T. (Megantic)
Budget, 3020. The public burdens, 3020; tariff for revenue-programme of the Farmers' party, 3021; cost of living and development of natural resources -line of demarcation between the parties, 3022
Rural mail-Mr. Joseph Houle, ques. 2313
Palmer, Mr. K. H., ques. 1001
Paper, Manufacture of. See debates on Scientific Research Newsprint. See that title
Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois)
Board of Commerce, M. 3863 Canadian Northern, total liability, ques. 2911
Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Budget, 2740. Mr. Meighen and the new party-tariff revision, 2740; the consumer and taxes

the new taxes, 2741; address in Montreal, 2742; textile industries and protection, 2743-; effect of new taxes- upon population, 2744 Canadian Mercantile Marine, insurance, ques. 1511
Canadian National Railways Deficit, 888-9
Fire insurance, ques. 1623 Withholding of information, 166-3 Experimental and demonstration farms, 2382-4, 2388 Franchise Bill, 731 Advance polls, 1999-2001 Aliens certificate, 2063-70, 2225-6, 22.30-2, 2238-9
Amdt. moved, 2226; neg. 2242 E-lection expenses, 1153 False statements -made to affect election, 1065
Indians, 2056-7
Name not on list-oaths, 3878 Personation, etc., 1159 Plugging, 2350
Polling stations, additional, 1826 Provincial lists, 2850, 3883, 3889-93 Voters' lists, addition and elimination of names, 3911-2
Writ, nomination, election, delay, 1092 Grand Trunk Railway, strike of 1910, and pensions, 1553-6 Naturalization, 3916 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3938 Purchasing Commission, 1474 Roumanian orders, insurance, ques. 1739 Soldier settlement, 1684, 3192-3
Parent, Mr. George (Quebec West)
Barracks, 3725
Board of Commerce, ques. 408 Business profits tax, public utilities, 3230 By-election lists, q^es. 310 Canadian National Railways, 3377 Census of 1911, ques., 2009 Criminal Code Amdt. Bill-M. for 3r., 3428 Food and Drugs Bill, 972-6 Franchise Bill
False statement to affect election, 1067 Payment of voters' expenses, 1065 Undue influence - " spiritual injury," 1158
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Indians', British Columbia, 79'2-i5, 3(273 Agents, salaries, 3273 Enfranchisement, 4038-40 Militia-Active militia, allowances, 3662-8 Pensions, 434
Com. report-on m. to adopt, 3932 Arndt. 39(33, 39(52; withdrawn, 3956 M. for Special Com., 513 Resignation from Com., 2081 Returned men and fishing industry, 3932, 3938-40, 3(9(56
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 380 Saar Valley Commission, 344 Senate, cost of, ques. 1118 Surveys, 3293
Uniforms, unlawful wearing of, 3417 Water-powers of British Columbia, ques. 111S
Winnipeg Grain Exchange, ques. 20(05
Pecuniary Claims Convention, 3857
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac E. (South Renfrew)
Agriculture, problems and progress of, 2391-5	.
Armenians, 855 Audibility of debates, 461 Board of Commerce, 4484 Correspondence, 3426
O'Connor, Mr., reported resignation of, 1684
Civil servants with war record, 3(129-30 Civil Service
Re-organization, 3741 Retirement, 446(2-6 Demonstration farms, 2i3'91 Food and Drugs Bill, 964-71, 1258-62 Prosecutions, 1.263-4 Franchise Bill
Advance voting, and voting by mail, 1163-5
Contributions, 1196 Election officers, 1077 Telegraph, communications by, 1068-9 Income tax
Accounting period, 3'30'6-8 Indemnity of members, 3243, 3306 Suggestions, 3124, 3128 Ireland, condition of, 856 Maple products, 1256 Mennonites, 2127, 2179 Mines Dept., resignations, 880(4 Opium and Drug Bill, 1638-9, 1746, 1751-2 Pictou harbour, 2186
Postage stamps, used for inland revenue, 3737
Quorum, 964 Renfrew post office, 3151
Pedlow, Mr. Isaac E.-Con.
S'li demaster, retirement of, 446i Soldier settlement, 2131 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3326 Candy, etc., 3592 Clocks and watches, 3.574 Clothes, 3563-4 Collection, method of, 3470 Commodity tax, 3319, 3330 Importations, 379(5 Jewellery, 3581 Lace, manufacture of, 3791-2 Licenses, 3606-7
Manufacturer who is also retailer, 3468 Overcoats, 3586 Prices, 3340
Purses, shopping bags, 3568!
Pyjamas, 3567
Retail Merchants' Association, 3(342 Returned soldier, amdt. (Mr. Lemieux) 345(2	.
Sales taxes, 361(2 Silk, 3563 Silk clothing, 3790 Silk waists, 3631-2	'
Socks, etc., 3567, 3791 Sporting goods, 3570 Stamp taxes, 3800-1 Stock transfers, 3626 Taxes, how paid, 3587-8 United States taxes, 34712 Pelletier, Mr. F. J. (Matane)
Cole, Mr. W. B., ques.. 2893 Illustration farms, 2682-4, 2(388 Industrial disputes, 1983 Masters and mates, 986 Oil, 38.11-2
Sparrow, Dr. C. J., ques. 1897
Penitentiary Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 2842; 2r., 3409; Com., 3409; 3r., 3410
Penitentiaries. See also Justice; Labrie Brothers
Alberta, ques. 2777, 6855 Appointments pending, 568 Manitoba, ques. 2574
Portsmouth, vacancies in chief positions,
Purchasing agent, 38140, 3854 Saskatchewan, ques. 25.74 Stoneham, case, 568
Pensions, ques. 993, ques. 994. See also Pensions and Re-establishment; Pensions Act
Board of Commissioners, 614 Employees, ques. 2895
Soldier organizations and, ques. 1116 Maxgeson, Mr. J. W., qnes. 1036
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Post Office and Customs Depts.
Rumoured investigation by United States firm, 3491, 3623
Potatoes.
Bags, 4562
Exportation of, ques. 1360
Poultry, Feeding of. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Power, Mr. Charles G. (South Quebec) Board of Commerce, M. for abolition, 1146, 1150
Canadian Alpine Club, 3288 .Canadian Currency on United States lines of Canadian National Railways! ques. 341
Canadian Forestry Association, 3285 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 644-5
" Canadian Recruit," wreck of, 648 " Canadian Sealer," Magdalen Islands trip, 649
Steamers. See also, under this title, Icebreakers
Crews, uniforms, ques. 1003 " Lady Grey " ques. 1361 Canadian National Railways, cargo for ships, 915
Champlain market, 2015 Court martial procedure, ques. 1359 Federal Bureau of Education, 1388 Firearms licenses, 3411-2 Franchise Bill, 777
Aliens-certificate, 2239 Bribery, treating, undpe influence, personation, 1157-9
Canada Temperance Act, 2053-4 Disqualification, returned soldiers . exempted from, 1811, 1820-4 " Elector," how defined, 1916-8 Executory contracts void, 1781 Interpretation, 1991 " Candidate," 1944 Judges, revising officers, 722 Language of voter, 1997 Non-residents and non-electors, 786 Notices-handbills, 1169 Polling stations, additional, 1826-7 Polls, hours to be open, 1923-4 Returning officers, 1583-4, 1596
Power, Mr. Charles G.-Con.
Franchise Bill1-Con.
Voters' lists, use of for advertising, 2319-20
French speeches in House, translation of, 702
Grain trade, 661 Grosse Isle, ques. 1003
Gulf of St. Lawrence Trading Company, 4285
Icebreakers, 1602-5. See also, under this title, Steamers " Montcalm," 1606-7 Uniforms of men on, 1603-4 Indemnity of members, 1281, 4087 Indians-Sioux, 3267 Magdalen Islands-Belle Isle, 1605 Militia Department
Classification of employees, ques. 3358 Permanent appointments, ques. 2079 Newsprint, 3227
Peace treaties-Anatolia and Smyrna, 3984 Pensions and Re-establishment, 3946 Drafting of Bill, 4041 Offices, rumoured closing of, 710 Taxation of pensions, 1895 Widowed mother, 427, 436, 4041, 4051 Amdt. ruled out of order, 4052 Profiteering, etc., 1146 Quebec
Ancient fortifications, 421, 427 Arsenal employees, ques. 1898 Bridge, ques. 1116, ques. 1229 Marine storehouse, ques. 316 Port, grain trade, 858 Riots of 1918, 1210
Returned soldiers, res. (Mr. Andrews) for Special Com., 523 Shipbuilding, 661, 915	.
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment, ques. 2311	.
Soldier Settlement, 2141-7, 2151, 3222-3 Vocational training and, 3223 Spirit Lake, 2398-9 Stewart farm, 3223
Prairie Provinces
Natural Resources, ques. 995, 1047, ques. 1461, 3049, 3292
Press, The, 4532. See also Newsprint; Post Office; Censorship Murray, Mr. G. M. and the, 2753 Press Conference. See Imperial Press Gallery Reporters, 3747, 3750, 4411, 4503
Prevost, Mr. Jules E. (Terrebonne)
Automobiles, smuggled, ques. 807, ques. 1001
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Income tax, 3122-7
Indemnity of members, 3096, 3853-4, 4448 M. to strike out clauses, 4459 Judges' salaries, 3852-4, 4837, 4421 M. for six months' hoist of Bill, 4417 Maple products, 12*54 Parliament Buildings, 1418-21- 1434 Parliamentary restaurant, 3096 Race track betting, 3430-2 Rural mail, 1*283, 4524-5 Salaries of Ministers, 4430 Soldier settlement, 2129-35 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill, 3577 Dresses, 3586-7 Excise and sales taxes, 345*3 Musical instruments, 362®
Silk waists, 3632
Provincial Salaries and Indemnities, Taxation of, ques. 3490
Public Accounts Committee, 306-7, 1898, 4821
Public Debt, ques. 592, 753. See also Finance
Public Information Dept., ques. 1000, ques. 1740, 2639, 2999 Nichols, Mr. M. E., ques., 1118
Public Ownership, 93, 204. See also debates under Canadian National 'Railways; Grand Trunk
Business profits tax. See that title Electricity, 3113-7 Railways, of, 100
Public Works, 1417. For individual works see their titles
Agreement with Ottawa city, 557 Architectural and Engineering Branch, ques. 587	.
Canals. See that title Department, 1416 Minister, 557
Tache, Mr. C. E., superannuation, ques. 3490
Pulp and Paper. See also Customs Act; Newsprint Pulpwood, 148, 2552
Purchasing Commission, 44, 257, ques. 591, 3718, 3854-5, 4580
Res. to establish Purchasing Board, 1231, 1467
Pure Foods Bill, 3396
Putman, Mr., and Civil Service Commission, ques. 2414
Quarantine, 3554 Grosse Isle, ques. 1003 Sydney, 3148
Quebec (City)
Arsenal, employees, ques. 1898, ques. 3862 Board of Trade and Retail Merchants' Association-proposed taxes, 3457-8 Vessel rates, 1734 Champlain market, 2015 Fortifications, ancient, 421 Mail deliveries, ques. 591 Marine storehouse, ques. 316 Riots of 1918, M. (Mr. Parent) for papers, 1202
Quebec (Port) 650, 654-5, 661
Government Ships, cargoes for, 915 Grain shipments, 858
Harbour Commission, steam dredge, ques. '	999
Immigrants landing at, 3226-8
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Canadian Northern lands in, ques. 2008 "Hour" of, 61, 67, 90, 143, 206 Military districts in, ques. 1035 People stay on the land, 94 Post offices in cities, ques. 413 Resources-timber, water-powers, 693 Tolerance, 90 Union government and, 83
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, ques. 506, ques. 1120; ques. 3619 Construction and operation, ques. 672 Freight rates, ques. 589 St. Irfinfie, 3423
Quebec and Western Railway, ques. 411; ques. 412
Quebec Bridge, ques. 1116; ques. 1229
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway, ques. 673, 4585
Quebec, Oriental and Atlantic Railway, ques. 411; ques. 412; ques. 507
Questions and Answers. See also House of Commons
Inquiry as to, 949, 2126 Oral answers to, 1623 Not answered, 753, 949 Canadian Government Merchant Marine -information withheld, 1649 Portion deleted, 1045
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Canadian National Railways-Con. Equipment, 4191
Estimates discussion of, 4249-50 Grand Trunk loans, 881. See also, tinder this title, Grand Trunk Hudson Bay Railway, 4233 Insurance, 41257'
Intercolonial
Moncton office, 4268 Operation, 4247 Pension fund, 4248
Mackenzie and Mann, interest in subsidiaries, 4191
Maine Central connection, 3376 Management, 4189 Ministerial statement, 859 Prince Edward Island Railway, 8 9'1 - 2 Car ferry, 4246
Standardization of railway, 4247 Public ownership, 4190 Rates, 4187
Reports of operations, 3086
Stations-shelters, 891
Subsidiaries, 338'0
Supplies, contracts for, 4193
Taxation of, 3393
Ties-list of contracts, 4251
Townsites, 4191
Withholding of information justified, 1652-7, 1674, 1684
Canadian National Railways Bill, 2842, 3085, 3376-94, 4187-95
Cars. See under this title, Railways Capilano bridge, 3778 Carvill, Mr. George, 4226-8 Civil Service Commission, 3139 Contracts signed by Government before submission to House, 1048 Dredging, 3781-90
Nova Scotia, 3786	. [DOT] ,
Drill halls, 3148 Dry docks, 4567-72, 4573 Experimental farms, 3156-8 Harm labour, 1227 Flags for public buildings, 3158 Fort Frances public building, 3152 Fort William elevators-coarse grain shipments, 565 Graham's Run, 3159 Granby public building, 3150 Grand Etang bridge, 3780 Grand Trunk Railway acquisition, 1113, 1311-8, 1435-60, 1486-1510 Administration, 4173 Branch lines, 1314-8 Correspondence, 1235-53 Hinton, Mr. W. P„ 1311-2 Loan, 4579
Reid, Hon. John D.-Con.
Grand Trunk Railway acquisition-Con. London-Trafalgar square office, 1251 Montreal-Toronto line, 1491 Shareholders, list of, 3426-7 Strike of 1910, 1542 Grosse Isle/ 3151 Hamilton
Postal station, 3152 Post office, 3151 Hanna, Mr. D. A.
Cahill, Mr., and, 2380 Canada Steamships, Limited, and, 1743 Highways Act, contribution to Ontario, 1047
Hull and Montreal highways, 1113 Hydro-Electric and Ontario Radial railway, 4172
Isle Verte, 3160
Kamloops public building, 3156 Kingsville public building, 3153 Lachine lock bridge, 4236 Lotbiniere and Megantic Railway, 950, 4585
Militia, Permanent force, barracks, 4579 Narrows, the, 3159 National parks, 3769-70 North Bay, shore protection, 3160 North Lake harbour, 3159 Oliver-St. Paul de Metis Railway, 344, 871 Ottawa buildings, fittings and furniture, 3154
Ottawa city, agreement with, 577-81, 988-92 Ottawa River conservation, 3779 Parliament Buildings, 1418-34, 3153 Port Hood wharf, 3159 Port Maitland, 4579 Portage la Prairie public building, 3156 Postage stamps for inland revenue, 3737 Post Office Dept., 3736-7 Public buildings, none new, 3147-8 Public works, resident engineers, 3787 Purchasing Commission, 4580-2 Question-complaint of unsatisfactory answer, 1017
Questions, inquiry as to, 2126, 2416 Railway Act Amdt. (Provincial Jurisdiction) 2412-13, 3634-6 Railway Mail Service, 4212 Railway rates, 864
Railways. See also, under this title, Canadian National; Grand Trunk Car shortage, 881-5, 1111
Proposed discussion in Railway Com., 885
Reports of, 1290 Taxation of profits, 865 Renfrew post office, 3151 Royal Military College, 3152-3
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1.	Business Profits War Tax Act, 1917,
Arndt. Bill. Res. 3111; lr., 3117; 2r., com., 3229; 3r., 3237
2.	Customs Tariff Act, 1907, Arndt. Bill.
Res., 3110; lr., 3111; 2r., com., 3174; 3r„ 3229
3.	Income War Tax, 1917, Amdt. Bill. Res.
3117; lr., 3128; 2r., com., 3237, 3296, 4288; 3r„ 4289
4.	Inland Revenue Act Amdt. Bill. Res.
3494; lr., 3498; 2r.,, com., 3815; 3r., 3821. Senate amdts. 4263
5.	Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill.
Res. 3316; 3434; 3561; lr., 3634; 2r., com., 3790; 3r., 4289. Senate amdts. 4505
Revenue and Expenditure. See Budget and debates thereon
Rhodes, Hon. Edgar N. (Cumberland) See Speaker
Richardson, Mr. Robert L. (Springfield) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 200. Freight rates, 200; Canadian Pacific and Canadian National Railways, effect of rate increases, 201; Grand Trunk Pacific, 202; public ownership of railways, 204; Union Government, Quebec and her "hour," 206; Hon. Mr. Crerar, 207; Liberals and the tariff, 208 Board of Commerce, 1947 Correspondence, 3427 Murdock, Mr., letter of, 4488 Canadian National Railways, 4il99-420'4; public ownership - Transcontinental freight rates increase-no political influence, 41199-420(2 Rates, 1448
Conner, Mr. James, dismissal of, 415, 419 Electricity, public ownership, 3117 Franchise Bill-advance polls, 1934 Franking privilege, 3767 French speeches, translation of, 702 Grand Trunk Railway, 1447, 1499 Income tax, charities, 3313 Morning sittings, 272:3
National parks and game preserves, 3287 .Newspaper postage, 3746-60 Press, the, and, 3752-3 Newsprint, price, 28'28 Railway rates, 1499 Rural mail, 4524
Steel and shipping merger, 1945-8, 1966 Vote-late in entering Chamber, 4180
Rifle Ranges. See Militia
Rimouski
British mails and, 4530-2
Rinfret, Mr. Fernand (St. James)
Budget, 2756. Fresh mandate from the people-election of 1917-by-elections, 2756; race prejudice and class party- cost of living-farmers and prices, 2757; profiteering, 2758; the new taxes, 2759; United States luxury tax how imposed-criticism of public expenditure, 2760; St. James by-election-Mr. Meighen's address, 2761; Liberal parly and tariff-good understanding with English-speaking citizens desired, 2762; Quebec a tolerant province-the prosperity desired, 2763 Cressfi, Mr. L. G. A., ques, 4502 Customs duties-basis of estimates, ques.
1788	'
Election and introduction, 1357 Franchise Bill	[DOT]
Poll, hours to be open, 1926 Proclamation-language of publication, 2278, 2282, 2291-2.
French treaty, ques. 1788 German and Austrian imports, ques. 2416, ques. 3359
Imports into Canada, ques. 2182 Insurance companies, mutual, taxation of, 2012, 2080
Naval Service, additional appropriation of $1,700,000, 4391-2 Newspaper postage, 3750-1 Press gallery, 3750
Roumania and Greece, advances to, ques. 3488
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill Beer, 3605
Excise and sales tax, 3(335 Medals, gold, 3585 Musical instruments, 3595-6, 3628 Proprietary medicines, 3601
Riviere du Loup
Drill hall, 3726-7 Shops, ques. 215, ques. 801 Engine repairs, ques. 3079
Robb, Mr. James A. (Chateauguay-Hunting-don)
Alcohol, 3816-7 Apple barrels, 2018-21 Banff national park, 3769 Bankruptcy Bill, 3257
Budget debate, arrangements for, 2839-40, 2951
Business profits tax, 3234-7
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of Public Information and the Daily Record, 2999; Canadian Official Record, Bureau of Information, New York, 3000; "advances unaccounted for," 3001; Civil Service appointments, number of, 3005; decreasing staffs in the Civil Service, 3006; expenditure and income estimated, 3007; public debt, inflation, 3008; Government's record in the war-Canada in a higher position than ever before-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3009; Liberal Unionists' tariff record-tariff reduction, 3010; general election and franchise, 3011; Union Government's progressive measures-a tariff policy fair to all, 3012
Bulgaria. See, under this title, Peace Treaty Business of the House, private members' business, 539
Canada's national status, 498. See also, under this title, League of Nations; Peace Treaty Empire, in, 359
British connection maintained, 365 Canadian National Railways, mail contracts, 4530	[DOT]
Censorship, 396 Civil Service
Bonus, 1270-6, 3147, 3228 Classification, 548, 556, 1112, 3769, 3984 In force 1 April, 1919, 3142-7 Inside Service, 4019, 4172 Vote to pay increased salaries, 4546 Reduction of pay, 3137 Temporary employees, 3128-33 War record, civil servants with, 3129-31 Civil Service Act Amdt, Bill, 1112, 3146 Senate amdts. 4056-60 Third reading, discussion, 3147 Colonial and Imperial Conference, 359 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 617 Bill withdrawn, 1290-1 Daughters of Canada, case of, 397 Distressed mariners, 2251-9, 2260-7, 3102-5, 4056
Edmonton post office, theft from, 923, 4520 Eight-hour day, 449-54 European distress, 4546 Food adulteration, 3557 Food and Drugs Bill, 582, 956-79, 1256-69, 1465
Food inspectors, Nova Scotia, 3539-40 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2073-5, 2220-3, 2229-30 Disqualification of candidates, 1087 Government annuities, 4528
Rowell, Hon. N. W.-Con.
Health department, 263, 3539-57 Honey adulteration, 582, 798, 2314-5 House of Commons staff, 4414, 4567 ^Housing, 3543-52 Construction, 3546
Immigration-medical inspection, 3555 Information service, 4543-4 International Joint Commission, 3986 International Labour Conference, 798 Labour Conference at Washington, 356 League of Nations, 349
Ames, Sir Herbert, statement by, 3971-84 Assembly, the, 351
Budget of, Canada's contribution, 3982, 4544
Canada's interests and representation, 498, 3982
Decisions, enforcement of, 3975-6 Disarmament, 3976
French occupation of German territory, 1046
Labour, 354
Peace, maintenance of, 351 Phosphorus for matches, 356 Self-governing Dominions' status, 350 United States Senate reservations, 357 Letter-carriers' salaries, 345, 1276, 2670, 4529
Threatened strike-Government's attitude, 1231-2, 3424, 3623 Maple products, 582, 796-7, 1254-6, 2366, 4020
Marine hospitals, 3552-4 Naval Service, additional appropriation, $1,700,000, 4388 News Service, 4532
Opium and Drug Bill, 557, 1621-2, 1629-49, 1702-7, 1745-61, 1900, 3081 Parcel post supervisor, 4530 Peace Treaty. See also, under this title. League of Nations Bulgaria, 49$, 1057-61 France-protection against Germany, 1069
Hungary and Turkey, 1069-60, 3983-4 Pensions and Re-establishment, 435 Special Com., 614, 752 Pensions district offices, rumoured closing of, 710, 867
Pollution of boundary waters, 3552 Postal employees' salaries, 2670, 4526-30.
See also, under this title, Letter Carriers Postmen. See, under this title, Letter Carriers
Printing Bureau Economies in, 3006 Sunday work, 4020	[DOT]
Proprietary medicines, 3542
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Purchasing Board, 1470-1, 1481-4 Quarantine-Tracadie, 3554 Regina library, 396
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 10, 387, 4021, 4547-8, 4575'
Buildings, 3214, 4573 Distribution of force, 3207-8, 3214 Duties of the force, 3195 Expense-Details, 3204-6 Division of with Provincial Governments, 3203 Increased, 3209
H.R.H. Prince of Wales, Honorary Commandant, 398 Name, change of, 398 Pensions, 388, 391, 398, 3202 Permanent Militia Force and, 3209 Provincial Police and, 3195-6 Strikes and, 3200 Ticket-of-leave system and, 399 Rural mail carriers, 1233, 452i5-6 St. John pension office, 1742 Services of Dominion troops overseas, resolution of British House of Gommons, 1159
Shipbuilding, expenditure, how to be met, . 918
Supply and the Budget, 918 Toronto Postal employees, threatened strike, 3424
Venereal diseases, 3556 Washington, Canadian representation at, 4536-41
M. (Mr. Fielding) in amdt. to supply, 2444, 2474
Roy, Mr. Gustave, ques. 1898, ques. 1899
Roy, Hon. Mr., and International Labour Conference, 3359
Royal Assent, 1165, 2259, 3634-5.
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 242, 4547 Barracks, 3214, 4572 Change of name of force, 398 Duncan, Mr. Walter and, ques. 1117, ques. 2720
H.	R.H. Prince of Wales, Honorary Commandant, 398
Ministerial explanation in Supply, 3194-6, 3*200-15
Pensions, 388, 397 Special Com. not to consider, 615
Royal Canadian Mounted Police Bills
I.	Commissioner. Res. 387; lr., 10;	2r.,
com., 395; 3r., 459
2. Pensions. Res. 3864, 39*58; lr., 3959; 2r., com., 3r., 4021
Royal Commission on Natural Resources, Trade and Legislation, ques. 4502
Royal Military College, 3152
Rural Credits, ques. 589
Rural Mail Carriers, ques. 414, ques. 591, 1233, 1282-3, 4522. See also, Post Office Pontbriand-Robertsonville, ques. 2313 Routes, ques. 506
Russia
Icebreakers, sold to, 1599, 1602, 210'6-7 Military expedition to, ques. 995 Trade with, 4322
Ruthenian-Greek Rite. See Juvenile Delinquent Act
St. Camille-Cabano proposed railway, ques. 58-9
St. Hermas postal service, ques. 412 St. James By-Election, 707 St. Jean D'Orleans "Wharf, ques. 317 St. Joachim Postmaster, ques. 1121
St. John, N.B
Armoury, ques. 994 District pension office, 17412 Exhibition buildings, use by militia, ques. 2009
Harbour, 2189, 2985, 3492-93, 4567, 4573 Obstruction, 2118 Pilots, 2119 Public buildings, 3149
St. John River
Report of International Commission, ques. 1623
Water powers, ques. 674, 3290i
St. John and Quebec Railway, ques. 508, ques. 1036
St. Julien, Battle of, Commemoration, 1357, 1510
St. Lawrence River
I'le d'Orleans, 3295
North shore municipalities, ques. 922, ques. 1116
Post offices, ques. 1116 Power development on, ques. 1120 Engineers, ques. 1230 Route and channel Dredging, 1616
Ice conditions and icebreakers, 230, ques.
3117, 856-8 Insurance, 4515
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Route and Channel-Con.
Navigation season, 916 Steamship service, 652
St. Louis, Mr. Horace and translation of Revised Statutes, 3082
St. Malo shops, ques. 3079, ques. 3618
St. Peter River
Floods, 889, ques. 1115 Work on, ques. 4019
St. Quentin and Theriault, N.B., catastrophe, 3080
St. Regis Indians, ques. 799
St. Romuald, ques. 2005
St. Valier Wharf, ques. 1231
St. Vincent de Paul Penitentiary. See Labrie
Ste. Anne Soldiers' hospital, ques. 588
Ste. Anne de Beaupre Wharf, ques. 506
Ste. Anne de Bellevue Military Hospital, ques. 1115
Ste. Famille Wharf, ques. 317, ques. 810
Ste. Rosalie-Bagot spur line, ques. 2009
Saar Valley Commission, 3'44, 3963, 3974, See also League of Nations
Saguenay River
Buoys, ques. 1000 Dredging, ques. 673
Sailors. See Canada Shipping Act
Salaries Act and House of Commons Act
Arndt. Bill. Res. 4379; lr., 4380; 2r., 4427; com., 4456; 3r„ 4459
Sales Tax. See Special War Revenue
San Remo Conference, 1465
Savard, Mr. Edmond (Chicoutimi-Saguenay) Bersimis-Rimouski Service, ques. 1463 Budget, 2870. Union Government-congratulations to Minister of Finance, 2871; the new taxes and cost of living -profiteering - Canada's liabilities, 2872; tariff revision-unfair treatment of Chicoutimi and Saguenay by Government, 2873; St. Catharine-Tadous-sac mail, 2874; Metabetchouan postmastership, 2876; Liberal fiscal policy approved, 2879
Savard, Mr. Edmond-Con.
Chicoutimi, military expedition to, ques. 409
Hebertville-St. Joseph d'Alma, mail, ques. 1000
Inspector of weights and measures, ques. 4096
Malbaie-Tadoussac service, ques. 674 Metabetchouan postmaster, ques. 1120 North Point lighthouse, ques. 1361 Post offices in Quebec cities, ques. 413 Saguenay River Buoys, ques. 1000 Dredging, ques. 673
St. Lawrence North Shore municipalities, 922, ques. 1116
Soldiers serving in Bermuda, ques. 1461 Telegraph operators, government, ques. 2182
Scammell, Mr. J. K., 3784 Scenic attractions, 3538-9 Schelking, Baron, ques. 3618
Scientific Research, 14, 43, 324
Committee, Special, 617, 2154
Scott, Mr. F. S. (South Waterloo)
Canadian National Railways, withholding of information, 1676 Income tax-charities, 3313 Race track betting, 3430
Scrap Iron and Steel, sale of, ques. 1739
Screenings, ques. 704. See also Commercial Feeding Stuffs; Elevators; Grain Accumulation at elevators, 3395 Export to United States, 3167
Secret Diplomacy. See Debates under League of Nations; Peace Treaties
Seduction. See Criminal Code
Seed Branch, 2411
Seed Grain
Advances, ques. 321, ques. 2519 Alberta, ques. 674
Purchasing Commission, ques. 1117
Seguin, Mr. Paul A. (L'Assomption-Mont-calm)
Budget, 3075. Extravagant expenditure, 3075; so-called luxury taxes-neglect of agriculture-Imperial navy, 3076; lighten people's burden'-Mr. Fielding's amdt. 3077
Income tax-provincial salaries, ques. 3490
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Leaf tobacco, ques. 996 Military instructors for educational institutions, ques. 413
Military uniforms for educational institutions, ques. 413	,
Naval Service, 4406
Senate and House of Commons Act Arndt.
See Indemnity of Members.
Senate
Appointment of members of Commons to, 257
Cost of, ques. 1118
Immigration Act Arndt, rejected by, 3426 Provincial legislators and, 1087 Senator also Legislative Councillor, 209 Staff, 4056-9
Serbia, reported credit to, 567. See also League of Nations; Peace Treaty
Sevigny, Hon. Albert, 114, 210
Sex Hygiene, 942
Sexsmith, Mr. John Albert (East Peterborough)
Apple barrels, 2018-9
Canadian National Railways, standard time, ques. 588
Demonstration farms, 2390, 2396 Eight-hour day, 379 Food and Drugs Bill, 1260-1 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 1935, 1941 Assiniboia expenses, 1179, 1184 Conveying voters, 1063 Deposit, 1094-6
Polling place-parties present, 1102 Voters' lists, 2424-6, 2433 Oleomargarine, 1874-5, 1970
Shaw, Mr. Hugh M. (Macleod)
Canadian Northern Railway bonds guaranteed by Alberta, ques. 2180
Sheard, Mr. Charles (South Toronto) Franchise Bill-liquor on polling day, 1108 Income tax-disputed returns, 3119-20 Letter carriers' salaries, 1231, 3424 Mines Dept., salaries, 38012-3 Special War Revenue Bill, point of order, 3318
Shenacadie Wharf, 3159
Shipbuilding, 44, 53. See also Shipbuilding Credits; Canada Shipping Act Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 622, 659
Shipbuilding-Con.
Contracts, ques. 314, 662, 892, 919 Govt, operation, Montreal shipping men's opinion, 908
Govt, shipyard at Sorel, 1620, ques. 2180 Inland waters, vessels for, 913 Material for, importation of, ques. 1114 Returned men and, 909 Ship plates, 623 Duty on, ques. 706 Statement by Minister, 618 Steel contracts, ques. 2573 Subsidies, 913
Supply-vote of $20,000,000, 89'2 Victoria Shipowners (Limited), 4583i
Shipbuilding Credits Bill. Res., 3863, 3987; lr„ 40117; 2r„ 4137; com., 4155; 3r„ 4173
Conditions under which assistance may be given, 4155
Limitation of amount (amdt. Mr. McMas-ter) 4166
Parliament, report to, 4166-7 Preamble, 4155, 4167
Registration and ownership, 4157, 4167 (amdt. Mr. Duff) 4165 Size of ships, 4159 Wooden ships (amdt. Mr. Duff) 4161
Shipping. See also Canada Shipping Act; Steel and Shipping Registration of, 1614
Shipping Federation. See Canada Shipping Act
Ships. See also Vessels; Naval Service; Shipbuilding; Canadian Government Merchant Marine
Foreign, taxation of. See Canada Shipping Act
Great Britain, from, acceptance of, inquiry for correspondence, 4413. See also Naval Defence; Naval Service
Shipwrecked Mariners. See Canada Shipping Act
Shipyard. See Shipbuilding
Shorts. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Sick and Distressed Mariners. See Canada Shipping Act; Marine Hospitals
Sifton, Rt. Hon. A. L. (Secretary of State and Minister of Mines)
Canada Temperance Act, 4559 Censorship, 4556 Editorial Board, 4559 War trophies, 4557
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Sinclair, Mr. John E. (Queen's, P.E.I.)
Canadian National Railways-Prince Edward Island car ferry-standardization of railway-Georgetown-Pictou route -labour conditions - Prince Edward Island representative on Board of Management, 41243-6 Commercial Feeding Stdffs, 3174 Franchise Bill, voters' lists, provincial, 2350-60
Govt, steamers, wages, 1598-9 Graham's Run, 3159 Hickey's wharf, 706 Icebreaker and car ferry, 1602 Judges' salaries, 3854 Maple products, 797 Newfoundland, 4280 North Lake harbour, 3159 Soldier Settlement, 2132 Wrecks, 1612
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Antigonish and Guys-borough)
Advances not accounted for, 2641, 3652-3 Alcohol tax-effect on science, 3496 Antigonish and North Sydney public works, ques. 543, ques. 1004
Army boots and shoes, ques. 506, ques. 1229
Auditor General's report, 4274 Banks, chartered, Government receipts from, ques. 1001
British Columbia Indians, 788-90, 951-3 British preference, ques. 811 Budget, 2636. Cessation of borrowing, 2636; checking waste and extravagance- Union party, 2637; how expenditure might be reduced, 2639; Dept, of Public Information, 2639; Militia advances unaccounted for, 2641; many appointments to the Civil Service, 2642; Liberal tariff platform-parliamentary govt., 2643 Buoy service, 2116-7
Canadian Government Merchant Marine Coal, ques. 1623 Earnings, ques. 1359 Freight rates, ques. 2009 Information withheld, complaint of, 1649 Shareholders, ques, 2011 Canadian National Railways Deficit, 889-90
Eastern Nova Scotia and, 3377-8 Ships and, 897, 904
Sinclair, Mr. John H.-Con.
Canadian National Railways-Con. Taxation of, 3394 Western extensions, 3387-8 Canadian News Service' at Washington, ques. 414
Canadian Northern Railway, arbitration, ques. 2008, ques. 3488 Canadian Railway War Board, ques. 508 Canadian Wheat Board, 4345-50 Central Vermont Railway, ques. 1035 Chartered Banks, money received from, ques. 1001
Civil Service, 3132-40 Appointments, dues. 311 Classification, 3144 Employees, number of, 2642, 3145-6 Insurance, 1780
Temporary employees, ques. 415, 3132-40 Coal Operations Director Bill, 3367 Cold storage, 2407 Dominion lands, ques. 1118 Dredging, 3783 Exchequer Court, 2201 Extension of trade, 1881, 1884-5 Fisheries
Overseers and guardians, 3522-3 United States, treaty with, ques. 1002 Food inspectors, 3539-40 Franchise Bill
By-elections, simultaneous, 1093 Clerk of the Crown in Chancery, 1070 Constables, 3907 Election officers, 1075 Fees, etc., 1111
False statement made to affect election, 1066-7
Interpretation, 1991-2
Oaths, administration of, 780
Poll books, etc., to returning officer, 1079
Proclamation, 1081
Recount by judge, 1110
Returning officers, 1575	.
Voters' lists
Addition and elimination of names, 3909-13
Preparation-partisanship complained of, 3906
Provincial, 2328-30, 2338, 2360, 3883-4, 3894
Transfer of voters, 3904 Voting on certificate, 1100-1 Government steamers-purchases for, 1610 Government vouchers, loss of at sea, ques. 3489
Guysborough harbour, 2124 Halifax grain elevator, ques. 1116 Health Dept.-variety of its business, 3541
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Honey adulteration, 2315 (Housing, 3547 Expenditure
Demobilization vote, and, 3544-5 Ontario, adjustments with, 3551 Imperial Munitions Board, ques. 1002 Income tax, part payment with return, 3254
Indemnity of members, 4448
Inquiry for returns, 857, 4259
Intercolonial Provident Fund, ques. 509
Judges' salaries, 4340
Lightkeepers' salaries, 2113-4
Loan Companies Act, 1779
Lobsters
Hatcheries employees, ques. 4096 Illegal Ashing, ques. 410 Marine hospitals, 3553
Market price of Government bonds, ques. 1462
Masters and mates, 981 Militia, 3674 Annual drill, 3681 Contingencies, 3716 Customs brokers, 3716 RiAe associations, 3725 Morrisons' Ltd. ques. 997 Newspaper postage rates, 3348 Nichols, Mr. M. E., ques. 1118 Ottawa city, agreement with, 990 Paper Currency, gold standard, ques. 309 Pensions and Re-establishmont, 3941 Pensioner resident outside of Canada, 4044
Widowed mother, dependent parents, 4043 Pictou,
East river lock, ques. 1119 Harbour, 2187 Pilotage, 1839, 1968, 2119-20 Postal rates, 3736-7
Public Information Dept., ques. 1000, ques. 1740
Railway rates, 1036 Registration of shipping, 1614, 2109 Retirement of members of public service, 3827, 3833
Returns, delayed, 459 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3211 Pensions, 398
St. Lawrence dredging, 1617-20 Schools of navigation, 1612-3 Seed grain advances, ques. 2519, 3286-7 Shipbuilding, Govt.
Assets and liabilities, 896 Contracts and prices, 894, ques. 2573 Trade, tariffs and, 897
Sinclair, Mr. John H.-Con.
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3989-92, 4006, 4009-15, 4157-8, 4166
Sick and distressed mariners, 2254-5, 2264-6
Soldier Settlement
Fishermen and, 1690, 3218-9 Staff of dept. 3221 Special War Revenue-candy, 3594 Steamers
" A. J. McKee," ques. 587, 910 " Recruit," ques. 1199 " Voyageur," insurance, ques. 2776 " 33," ques. 410
Steamboat inspection, 1051, 1763-4, 2125
Terminal elevators, 1878-9
Turk-expulsion of from Europe, ques. 409
Unforeseen expenses, 1616
Vancouver, B.C., ques. 3620
Victoria, B.C., dry dock, ques. 3619.
Winter Ashing, 1609
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 310S-9
Skeena River Hatchery, ques. 412
Slidemaster, 1279
Slums, 816
Smith, Mr. J. E., Ques. 2722
Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario)	/
Demonstration stations, 1016 Franchise Bill, provincial lists, 3892 Rural mail carriers, 4523 United Grain Growers and the farmers, 2745
Smyrna and Anatolia, 3984
Soldier Organizations and Pension Board employees, ques. 1116
Soldiers. See also Returned Soldiers Canadian prisoners, ques. 1462 Services of Dominion overseas, resolution of British House of Commons, 1159 Votes-effect in general election, 140 Widows and children of, ques. 920. See also Pensions
Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment. See also Demobilization; Reconstruction Dept. 513, 520, 524, ques. 2311 OAicials travelling, ques. 2311 Prospective ending of, 4456 Report In French ready for distribution, 2126
Report of Com. not printed in French as ordered, 2016
Smith, Mr. J. E., ques. 2722
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Colonization lots In Montmagny, ques. 1229 Ministerial explanation in Supply, 3192
Soldier Settlement Act, 1919, Arndt. Bill, lr.,
12-89; 2r„ 1685; com., 1685; 3r„ 1839
Sorel
Government employees at, ques. 1199 Shipyard, 1620, ques. 2180 Superintendent, ques. 343 Vandal, Mr. Calixte, ques. 1740
Soulanges Canal Road, ques. 999
Southam Press Limited, ques. 409-6
Sovietism. See Bolshevism
Sparrow, Dr. C. J., ques. 1896
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)
Rulings and Statements of
Amendments, consequential, 2315 Bills
Com., ref. back to-unanimous consent, 4264
Divorce, charges, 4321, 4413 Introducible only by resolution-ref. to trade, 2079
Introduction-not in "Notices of Motion," 1216
Not printed in French, 11512-Resolution adopted, but notice of . motion for first reading possibly required, 1229
Senate amendments taken seriatim, 4059 2r
Declared carried, debate closed, 395 Member may speak only once, 38-33 Principle only to be discussed, 3827 Same day as lr., 43-41 3r
Amdt. by House without ref. again to Com. 1537
Consequential amdts. 23115-Same day as Com. stage, 2204 Budget debate
Amdt. not to limit debate, 2518 Debate on Thursday and Friday, 2576 Com. suggested for convenience in asking questions-League of Nations, 3971
Comment on documents criticising members, 235
Debate closed by mover, 436, 446, 1137, 1966, 2316, 3102
Exception, by unanimous consent, 2784
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Debate closed by mover-Con.
Rule inapplicable, 2315 Mover of amdt. 3956 3r. of Bill, 2251 Debates, Official Report of
Insertion of documents not read, 363, 364, 1416, 1890, 3932 Question standing as order for return, 1743 Decorum,
Conversation, 2316, 4367 Cowardice, imputation of, 66-7 Noise-building operations, 345 Estimates, item in, debate on, 2467 Hartney, Mr. E. P., 4566 House of Commons
French language, status of, 1039-44 Honour of impugned by statement outside-Rev. Dr Speer, 3491, 3557 Officials and Staff
Organization and classification, 859, 1037-45, 3092-9, 4504, 4563-7 Pages, 3099
Side lobbies, admission of strangers to, 1629
Hypothetical against direct statement, 259	-
Imputation against a member, 234, 2846 Inquiry for report ordered in French, 2126
Interruptions, 457, 480, 734, 737, 1653, 1709-10
Board of Commerce, 4496-7 Language
"A void in their craniums," 737 "Deliberate falsehood," 2749 "Falsehood," 269 "Mean," 529
"Meanly and untruthfully alleging," 233
"Representatives... .the stigma they have left upon themselves," 547 Retracted but afterwards referred to, 774
"Shameless" and words of like character, 235
"Spoke with a brief for the great Massey-Harris corporation," 2627 "Uttered a falsehood deliberately," 28-45-6 Members
Asking for answer to question, 2179 Giving way by courtesy, 759 How to be referred to, 50, 528 Mover limited in reply, 1966
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Not having the floor, not to be interrogated, 528
Right to speak exhausted, 1561, 1572, 1676, 2315, 2702, 4060 Speaking, may not interrogate another, 2631-2
Speakirtg, may submit questions, 2702-4
To speak only once on a motion, 1466, 1656-7 Motions
Negative, aindt., 4061 Non-debatable
Adjourning debate, 1017, 2840, 4062 Those moved by unanimous consent, 2626
Those taken up under arrangement of no debate, 2014
Notice not given-unanimous consent necessary, 2023, 2177, 2575, 2626 Consent refused, M. stands as notice, 2575	[DOT]
Public expenditure, calling for, 3933 Seconder absent, 418 Successive to adjourn debate, 2840 To adjourn for purpose of discussing matter of urgent, etc.
Steel and shipping merger, 1945-6 Coal shortage, 3685-6	.
Unnecessary'
Authorizing Com. to sit, it not having reported finally, 2776 Withdrawn on understanding of reference, 437
Non-debatable subjects
Com., matters pending before, 3652-3 Report, presentation of, 4257-8 Subjects already debated, 3686 Notice of motion covering question in Votes and Proceedings, 2723 Notice of motion, undesirability of general debate-unanimous consent for Leader of the Opposition, 2178 Orders of the Day
Debate limited, 33, 230, 231, 710, 856, 1045, 1573, 1896, 2179, 2248, 2968, 3228, 3296
Application must be general, 3424 Appropriateness of matter, 1574, 2476, „ 1742, 3561, 3423, 3769 Argument, 3427
Labrie Brothers, case of, 3560-1 Letter carriers, 1232 Ministerial statements, 708-9 In the nature of making out case, 3425
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes)-Con.
Rulings and Statements of-Con.
Orders of the Day-Con.
Debate limited-Con.
Replying, latitude allowed in, 3425 Question to be summarized, 3295 Question only partly answered, 753 Question to the House disallowed, 1743
Stoneham, Finlay, case of, 568 Unanimous consent refused, debate not permissible, 2082 Parliamentary restaurant, 3094-6 Previous debate, 1217, 1675, 4417, 4431-2 Coal question, 3686 Privilege
Non-personal reflections, excluded from, 1231
Question may not be raised when another member has the floor, 529, 2838 Ref. to proceedings of Com. which has not reported, 2081 Questions
Answer of Government to be accepted, 753, 1743
Not to be altered by another member;
notice to be given, 510 Passed as orders for returns, 1743 At option of Government, 511 Permission not needed to place on Order Paper, 1047 Portion deleted, 1045 Reference to answering-appropriate occasion, 1047, 2416 Standing for Member's revision, 2413 To Chairman of a Committee, and without notice, 2843
Quotations containing language forbidden under the rules, 234-6 Reading of Speeches, 2966 Recognizing members-Mr. Jacobs, Mr. McDonald, 3026, 3039 Relevancy, 734-5, 750-1, 1573, 1954, 3177, 4060
Address, debate on-Budget debate should not be anticipated, 129 Civil Service and patronage, 547 Debate on motion to adjourn for the purpose of discussing, etc., should be strictly relevant, 1951 Judges' salaries and indemnity of members, 4417 Limits of debate, 2468 Naturalization and franchise, 771 Pensions report-general election, 3946 Report not printed in French as ordered, 2016
statement of, 3491, 3557
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Committee of Thursday procedure, 3686 Saturdas' procedure, 3840, 4275 Unanimous consent, 181, 617, 2078, 2625, 3956, 4060, 4321. See also, under this titie, Debates, Official Report of, insertion, etc. [DOT]
Adjournment to fixed time, moved without notice, 304 Customs Act, 3620 M. (Mr. Lemieux) Coal Supply, 3686 Mr. Mackenzie King on Canadian representative at Washington, 2178 Speech of mover not close of debate, 2784
Statement concerning Com. not otherwise permitted, 2081-2 Unauthorized distribution of documents in jHouse, 1744 Vote-member late, 4180 Wednesday evening sittings, 1045	,
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Offer of gift from the Lords and Commons of the United Kingdom, 3224
Speech from the Throne debated. See Address
Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill. Res. 3316; 3334; 3561; lr., 3634; 2r., com., 3790; 3r., 4289; Senate amendments, 4505 Arrangements for debate, 3617, 3631, 3454 Consideration in detail, 3487-8 Changes proposed, 3345
When effective, 3335, 3607, 3629 Clauses and subjects
" Consumer," definition of, 3795 Effect on prices, 3329, 3340 Importations, 3795 Licenses, 3579, 3600, 4290 Jewellers, 3579 Manufacturer, small, 3797 Manufacturer's agent, 3609 Merchandise not delivered on May 19, 3613
Penalties, 4290 Refunds, 3629, 3607 Retail Merchants' Association, 3342 Revenue from estimated sources, 3332-3 Sales, one or Uyo per cent tax; res., 3608
Stamp taxes and stamps, 3626-7, 3800, 4290
Stocks in trade, 3604 Taxes, how paid, 3587
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Used to make vinegar, 3604 Binder twine, 3610, 3623 Biscuits, 3460
Boats, canoes, yachts, etc., 3588	.
Boots, 3563-5, 3585
Breakfast foods, 3795
Bric-a-brac 3576
Candy and confectionery 3592
Carpets and rugs, 3577, 3585
Cattle feed, 3473
Chandeliers, 3578, 3597
Chewing gum, 3594
Cigarholders, etc., 3576
Clocks and watches, 3574
Clothes, 3563
Made to order, 4290 Coats, fur, 3791-3
Collars and collarettes of lace, 3574, 3792
Containers, 3615, 3632
Curtains, 3578
Dresses, except silk, 2566-7
Electrical supplies, 3460
Embroideries, 3573
Firearms, 3594, 3793
Food, 3616, 3795
Fountain pens, pocket knives, etc., 3577, 4289
Furniture, 3574
Furs, 3400, '3569, 3791-2
Gas and electric light fixtures, 3596
Glassware, 3569
Gloves, 3568
Hats and caps, 3438, 3453, 3574, 3562, 3565-6, 3790, 4290 Hosiery, 3791
Jams and marmalade, 3796 Jewellery, 3338, 3578 Licenses, 3579
Departmental stores, 3583, 3617 Medals, 3585
Wedding rings, 3584, 3797 Kimomas, petticoats and waists, 3790 Lace, 3*573, 3791-3 Collars, 3574, 37*92
Liquor and preparations containing alcohol, 3*600 Liquor cabinets, etc, 3793 Meats, 3473 Moving pictures, 3627 Musical instruments, 3460-1, 3595-7, 3628
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Sales tax, 2487, 3608, 3794 Silk
Clothing, 3790 Dresses, etc., 3562, 3632 Fabrics, 3572 Split peas, etc., 3795 Spirits and medicated wines, 3793 Sporting goods, 3569, 3572 Socks and stockings (silk)
Men's and boys, 3566 Women's, 3567 Stock transfers, 3624, 3800 Suits, women's, 3587 Tobacco pipes, 41289 Toiletware, 3576 Tooth washes, 3794 Umbrellas, 3568 Underwear, 3453-4, 379(1, 35(68 Wedding rings, 3584, 3797 Wheat meal, 3795-6
Speer, Rev. Dr. and Race Track (Legislation, 3490, 3557
Spence, Rev. Ben., 1218, 1227
Spinney, Mr. Edgar K. (Yarmouth and Clare) Budget, 2711. Congratulations to Finance Minister-Canada's war service, 2711; business profits tax, 2712; Canada's agriculture and fisheries, 2713; Mr. Fielding's amdt., 2714 Port Maitland, 4579
Spirit Lake, 566, 2398
Springs. See Irrigation Act Amdt.
Stacey, Mr. F. B. (Fraser Valley)
, Alien immigrants, 823
Budget, 2618. British Columbia farmers, 2618; British Columbia resources-the team spirit-change of attitude on trade question, 2619; orchard industry, 2620; American competition with Canadian fruit growers, 2621; head tax, 2623
Stacey, Mr. F. B.-Con.
Campaign funds, 1225 Franchise Bill, Orientals, 1823 Hearing in the Chamber, suggested rearrangement of seats, 394 Indians, British 'Columbia, 40(21, 4037 Inspection and Sale-Fruit containers, 2021 Oleomargarine, 1858 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 394-5 Soldier Settlement, 2141
Stamp taxes, 2487
Standing Orders, Com. appointed, 305
State Insurance for Returned Soldiers' Bill.
Res., 3864, 395-8; lr., 3958; 2r„ com., 4054; 3r., 4056; Senate amdts., 4466
Statistical Department, 1879, 3296
Statutes, proposed revision, 38121
Steamboat Inspection, 2125. See also Canada Shipping Act Amdt.
Steamers. See Vessels
Steamship Companies, proposed Govt, supervision of, 2013
Steamship Services
-Canadian National Railway vessels, services, ques. 3-42
Camp-bellton-Gaspe, ques. 342 Charlottetown, 4-280 Haiifax-Cape Breton, 4281 Lockeport-Froude's Point, 4(5(14 Magdalen Islands, 649-52 Malbaie-Tadoussac, ques. 674 Mont-real-Quebec-Gaspe, ques. 587 Mulgrave-Canso, 4515 New Zealand, 4277 Newfoundland, 4277, 4281 South Africa, 4280
Victoria-Vancouver West Island, 4280 Victoria-Skagway, 4514
Steel Industry, 623, 629, 648. See also Shipbuilding
British Empire Steel Corporation, ques. 2777, 4010
Steel and shipping merger, 1895 Debate on M. to adjourn House, 1945
Steele, Mr. Michael (South Perth)
Alien immigrants, 812, 838 Board of Commerce resignations, 4258 Civil Servants with war record, 3130-1 Franchise Bill, voters' lists, 2440 Magazine postage rates, ques. 1898 Press, the, and postal rates, 3745-50, 3761 Retirement of members of public service. 3834
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Stefansson Expedition, ques. 704, 3284
Stein, Mr. Adolph (Kamouraska)
Criminal Code-petty thefts, 3420 Election and introduction, 949 House of Commons staff, 1041 Income tax
Appeals, 3243
Exemptions on account of children, 3298 Lightkeepers' salaries and bonus, 1282, 2110
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, ques. 3619
RiviSre du Loup drill hall, 3726
Stenographers, Members', salaries of, ques, 2311
Sterling, payments to C.E.F., ques. 2008
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver Centre) Alcohol, tax on, 3495
Bill, introduction of-point of order, 1216 Budget, 2589. Minister of Finance, and his critics-revenue	and expenditure,
2589; foreign credits-Liberals and Liberal-Unionists, 2590; tariff as discussed by spokesman for the Opposition, 2591; war wealth taxation amdt.
' (Mr. Fielding) 2593; tariff reform, 2594; Farmers' platform, 2595; farmers and the sale of wheat, 2596; business profits taxes, 2598; elevators-political campaign contributions, 2599; income tax-the Budget and direct taxation, 2601; Wheat Board and wheat trade, elevators, etc., 2602; public debt and natural resources, 2603 Canadian Wheat Board, ques., 3294, 4104, 4112
Civil Service classification, ques. 674 Civil Service retirement, 3838 Debates-difficulty in hearing, 1416 Eight-hour day, 335 Fisheries-British Columbia, 3521 Franchise Bill
Advance polls, 3875 Aliens-certificate, 2089-91, 2094	.
Polling divisions, 1520 Returning officers, 1534 Grain trade. See under this title, Canadian Wheat Board
Indemnity of members, 4089 Military training, 3707-8
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Badges, ques., 506
Debate on estimates-delay, 4411-2 Parliament Buildings, 1416 Purchasing govt, supplies, ques. 591 Returned soldiers' res. for special Com.- pensions, students, vocational training, 532
Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 388, 395 Veterans and Pensions, 397, 3201 Sick and distressed mariners, 2253-4, 2263-4, 3099, 3105
Soldier Settlement-soldiers who remained in Canada, 1686 Special War Revenue Bank overdrafts, 3798-9 Changes by Finance Minister, 3438, 3448 Water carriage of goods, 1213-6 Regulation of, 1723-7 Young, Mr. F., ques. 2313
Stewart, Mr. J. A. (Lanark)
Opium and Drug Bill, 1632, 1637, 1640, 1645, 1648, 1703, 1744-9, 1754-9 Special War Revenue
Proprietary medicines 3601-6 Sales taxes, 3611
Stewart, Mr. Thomas J. (West Hamilton) Jams and marmalade, 3796 Letter carriers, 1232 Vessel rates, 1709, 1727
Stewart, Mr. W. J., 3985
Stoneham, Finlay, 567
Strikes. See also Grand Trunk; Industrial Disputes
How authorized in certain cases, 1902 Trial of Winnipeg parties, ques. 2181
Subsidies and Bounties-Farmers' party position, 899
Sugar
Embargo on, 3226 Importations, ques. 2009 Price, 1896
Superannuation. See Civil Service
Supply Bills. See Appropriation Acts
Supply, Committee of, 880, 1296, 1416, 1598, 1649, 1877,	2103,	2151,	2366,	2382,	2390,3147, 3192,	3218,	3265,	3507,	3654,	3702,3769, 3801,	3821,	3840,	3961,	4069,	4181,4274, 4291,	4380,	4466,	45061035-2002	Volume III:	2003-3078


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Industry and agriculture, 453 Experimental farm system, ques. 1360 Ontario, 4 5*60
M. for extension, 1005, 1014 Food and Drugs Bill, 965 Food shortage, threatened, 1845 Franchise Bill-Indians, 2056 Grain elevators, ques. 3862 Indemnity of members, 4095 Inspection and Sale Act-containers, 2021 Mining resources-prospectors, 3812 National Council of Women, declaration by, 1841
Oleomargarine, 1840-75 Re-claimed screenings, ques. 507 Registration postal rate, and express companies, 3744
Rural mail carriers, 1233, 1282-4 Soldier Settlement, 2131 Special War Revenue Act Amdt. Bill- License, small manufacturer, 3797 Threat to members by outsiders, 1743 United Grain Growers' Limited, ques. 902 Sydney, Quarantine station, 3149 Syrians in Canada, ques. 3862 Tache, Mr. Charles Eugene, ques. 3490 Tache, Mr. J. de L., 4505
Taft, ex-President, and Grand Trunk Railway, 3490
Tariff. See also Address; Budget; Customs, Special War Revenue French Treaty. See that title Prices, 227
Reduction of-amdt. (Mr. Fielding) to Budget, 2510 7% per cent, ques. 1001 Tobacco, duties on, ques. 1114 Tariff Changes, 2490 Taxation. See also Revenue Bills Business profits, ques. 314 Civil Service income by Ottawa city. See Ottawa City Agreement Bill Customs. See also Tariff 7% per cent, ques. 1001 Direct or indirect, 128, 167 Excess profits, ques. 2012 Govt, railway property, of, 580-1, 3893 Income, 123, 227
Forms in French, 1084, 1573 Incomes over $100,000, ques. 3490 Inspector at Kingston, ques. 2181 Trust and Loan Company of Canada, 586
Taxation-Con.
Income and profits, collection, ques. 806 Indemnity of members. See that title Land, 128, 177, 220, 228, 2612, 2883, 2888 Single Tax, 1120, 2651-7, 2706 Luxuries, 2615. See also Special War Revenue Mines, 128, 3810
Mutual Insurance Companies, ques. 2012
Provincial and Federal, 833
Provincial salaries and indemnities, ques.
3490	.
Railway profits, 865 Real estate transfers, 3796 War profits, 1S9, 302 War taxes, ques. 1001 War tax stamps, ques. 807 Waterfront privileges, 128 Wealth, 2527
Taxes, municipal payment by Dominion. See Ottawa City agreement
Technical Education, 43, 53
Government assistance, ques. 2519
Technical Education Bill. lr„ 1290; 2r., com., 1761; 3r., 1762
Telegraphs and Telephones, 4577 Govt, contracts, ques. 1627 Govt, operators, bonus, ques. 2182 Rates appeal, ques. 2009
Temiscouata Railway, ques. 674
Textiles, duties on imports, ques. 1899. See also Customs
Theodore D'Acton Post Office, ques. 2011
Theriault and St. Quentin catastrophe, 3080
Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 76. Parliament Buildings, 76; Orders in Council and Yukon- stability of Upion Government, 77; industrial prosperity and popular unrest-high cost of living and the remedy, 78; Canada and Canadas achievements-local representation in the Cabinet, position of jHon. Mr. Blondin, 79; proposed general election -Leader of the Opposition on the health of the Prime Minister, 80; hopes for Prime Miniser's restoration to health, 81 Franchise Bill
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Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 177. Class representation and class legislation, 177; exchange rate and trade-Canadian Reconstruction Association, 178; proposed general election, 179
Budget, 2614. War revenue, 2614; luxury taxes-critics of Farmers' party, 2615; manufacturers and farmers, 2616; free list asked for by Farmers' party, 2617: manufacturers would benefit by tariff reduction, 2618
Federal Bureau of Education, 1386 Franchise Bill, 746 Advance polls, 1941, 2000-1 Aliens-certificate, 2091-3, 2099 Canada Temperance Act, 2053 Contributions, 1170, 1196 Conveying voters-compulsory voting, 1064
Disqualification - charitable support, those receiving, 1817-8 Election expenses, 1154, 1930-1 Nomination-" Elector," how defined, 1917-8
Recall, the, 2038-40, 2046 Returning officers, 1523 "Rural polling division," 1993 Voters' lists, 2434, 2441 Newspaper postage, 3756-7 Race track betting, 3432 Soldier Settlement, 1698 Cattle branding, 1700-1
Threat to Members, 1743
Three Rivers harbour, 3491
Thrift, 13. See also Government Annuities Need of, Speech from the Throne, reference to, 8
Ticket of Leave, 398, 2015
Timber Culling, 1877
Timiskaming, By-election, 1188, 2898
Timiskaming Lake
Wharves, 2187, 3493
Tobacco. See also Inland Revenue and Customs
Tobacco-Con.
Duties on, ques. 1114 Leaf, ques. 996
Tobin, Mr. Edmund William (Richmond and Wolfe)
Asbestos postmaster, ques. 320 Auditor General's report, publication in French, ques, 1627
Blondin, EDon. Mr., trips to Europe, 541
Canada Gazette, ques. 2179
Canadian Northern railway lands, ques.
1626, ques. 2008 Chinese in Canada, ques. 80S Connaught Rifle range, ques. 671 Dominion notes and gold standard, ques. 588
Duncan, Mr. Walter, ques. 2720 Finance Dept, employees, ques. 592 Imperial Press Conference, ques. 410 Japanese in Canada, ques. 805 Langton, Brig. Gen. J. G., ques., 541, ques. 811
Medical officers and nurses, ques. 341 Military Police, ques. 804, ques. 805 Militia Dept., London employees, ques. 671 Obligations, Dominion, ques. 998 Parliament Buildings, 1422 Door contract, ques. 320 Post Office, ques. 3294 Ste. Anne soldiers' hospital, ques. 588 Special War Revenue Act Boots, 3565	[DOT]
Sporting goods, 3572
Tolmie, Hon. S. F.. (Minister of Agriculture) Agriculture, review of, 2366. Increased production, possibilities, 2366; keeping people on the farm, 2371; city man and farmer-home and foreign markets, B37i2>; Dept, of Agriculture and its branches, 237i3; summary of policy, 2376; dairy cows, 2378; labour situation, 2379
Agricultural Gazette, 1085 Animal Contagious Diseases Bill, 1622, 1840
Cold storage, 2407-9
Commercial feeding stuffs, 3163-74, 3403-9 Dairy industry, 2403-6 Cow testing and milk testing, 2406 Election and introduction, 1, 47 Entomology, branch, 2402 Experimental farms, 1013, 2375, 2382-9, 2396-9, 2401, 2404, 2412 Ontario and, 1015 Flax industry, 696 Fox farming, 2409


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Fruit Branch, 2410
Grading export butter and cheese, 602-4 Hewitt, the late Dr. Gordon, 2375-6 Inspection and Sale Act (Fruit packages) 1915-6, 2016-23 Apple barrels, 2022
Authority of Governor in Council, 2019 Nova Scotia fruit growers, 2017-8 Penalties, 2020
Size of packages, 2016-7, 3109 International Institute of Agriculture, 2411 Meat and canned food, 2411 Oleomargarine Bill, 1781, 1875-7, 1968-71 Potato Bag, 4562 Seed Branch, 2411 Tobacco growing, 2376, 2383 Victoria
By-election, 4584
Shipbuilding-work for returned soldiers, 4584
Wheat-work of Mr. S. Wheeler, 2388 Toronto
Exhibition Buildings, use of by militia, ques. 2009
Grain elevators, ques. 1897 Harbour improvements, ques. 2181 Income tax payments, ques. 592 Postal employees, threatened strike of. 3424
Postal station "A," 3155 Rifle range, 3728-
Telephone rates appeal, ques. 2009 Union station, 3225-6
Toronto Eastern and Toronto Suburban Railways, ques. 1004, ques. 1510, ques. 2080
Tracadie Lazaretto, 3554 T rade
Austria and Germany, from, ques. 2416. ques. 3359
British Preference, 2079 Canadian Government Merchant Marine, 621
Extension of, 1880 Foreign, 2477, 2481 France with
Customs tariff convention, ques. 3684 Treaty, 34t25, ques. 4®23 Royal Commission on, ques. 4502 Russia, with, 43 2'2 West Indies Conference, 3161 Greece and Roumania with, ques. 2414
Trahan, Mr. Arthur (Nicolet)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 87. Liberal party in the war,
Trahan, Mr. Arthur-Con.
Address-Con.
87; Quebec, then and now, 88; farmers' and conscription, 89; Quebec and its "hour"-Quebec and its tolerance, 90; League of Nations-Canadian autonomy, 91; Navy, Lord Jellicoe's visit -tax exempt bonds-Grand Trunk Railway, 92; public ownership of railways-Civil Service classification, 93; agriculture, Quebec people stay on the land-the disease of luxury, 94; radicalism and imperialism, 96 Bankruptcy Bill, 3256
Budget, 2857. Progressive weakness of national credit and its causes-gold reserve, 2857; inflation of credits-prices, 2859; exchange situation and remedies therefor, 2860; Canada and Japan, position as result of the war- deflation, 2861; increased production necessary, 2862; Mr. Fielding's amdt.- Supreme Council for Peace Conference and commercial freedom 

 Europe's debts to Canada, 2863 Civil Service holidays, 4057-62 Franchise Bill, 776
Corrupt practices-penalties, 1160-1 Election expenses, 1153-4 Polling divisions, 1518 Mackie, Mr. H, A., absence of, 2969 Water-powers surveys, 3292
Transcontinental Railway. See Canadian National
Translation Staff. See Criminal Code Amdt. (French version); House of Commons
Trent Canal wharves, ques., 586, ques. 1359
Trust Companies Act Amdt. Bill, lr., 855; 2r„ com., 3r., 1779
Turgeon, Mr. Onesiphore (Gloucester)
Abey, Mr. H. R„ ques. 1000 Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 110. French language-New Brunswick cabinet representation. 110; representation and census, 111; proposed general election-land values taxation-exchange and currency, 112; franchise, 114 Biological Board, ques. 2572 Budget, 2649. Congratulations to Minister of Finance-Canada's soldiers, 2649; gross and net debt-new taxes, 2650; Mr. J. H. Sinclair's charges-free trade advocated-Henry George and land values taxation, 2651; Liberal party and free trade, 2652; Farmers' party
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and Liberal party-need of increased production, 2653; Mr. Elkin and tariff; manufacturers would benefit by free trade, 2654; foreign trade, harbours and shipping, 2655; free trade and new sources of revenue, 2656; land values tax and its effects, 2657; repeal of land value taxes in Britain, 2659; "Scientific tariff," 2659 Canadian National Railways Deficits - rates - management-representation of labour - subdivisions, 4202-8 Rates, 1443
Experimental Farms, 2382 Franchise Bill
Advance polls-fixed day of the week for elections, 1164, 1942 Election officers, fees, etc., 3S68 Proclamation-language of publication, 1080, 1828, 1833-7, 2267-70, 2310 Arndt. 1S34, neg. 2311 Returning officers, 1530, 1581-2 French speeches in House, 701 Grand Trunk Railway, 1443 Indemnity of members, 4086 Pensions, 432, 3934
Quarantine-Tracadie and D'Arcv Island, 3554
Railway rates and Parliament, 4188 Returned soldiers, 531 Fishing industry, and, 3934 Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 3993
Turk, Expulsion of from Europe, ques. 409
Tweedie, Mr. Thomas M. M. (West Calgary) Banff National park, 3770 Farmers' Co-operative Company, 3995-6 Franchise Bill
Aliens-certificate, 2236-7 Contributions, 1184 Recall, the, 2023, 2029, 2033, 2045-50 Returning officers, 1528, 1533 Voters' lists, 2431-8 Indemnity of members 4090 Militia-active militia, allowance, 3669-71 Opium and Drug Bill, 1645, 1647-9 Personal position, 2049
Retirement of members of public service, 3826-9
Scientific research, 2172 Shipbuilding, Credits Bill, 3996
Typhus Epidemic, 4545
Uniform, unlawful use of, 3417. See also Criminal Code
Union Government. See debates under Address; Budget
United Grain Growers, Limited, ques. 922
United Shoe Company case, 4479
United States, See also League of Nations Canadian ambassaijor to, announcement, 2177
Canadian representation in, 4533. See also Washington
Coast defence and, 4294, 4298 Export of screenings to. See Commercial Feeding Stuffs
Fisheries treaty with, ques. 1002, 1290, 3161
Immigrants from, ques. 1463 League of Nations, and, ques. 1118, 3977 Liquor shipments to, 2107, 2118 Shipping Board and Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine, ques. 2009 Soldiers and lands in Canada. See Dominion Lands Act Arndt.
Universal Military Training, 923
Unopposed Motions for Returns, 321, 415, 437, 544, 675, 923, 1004, 1123, 1362, 1464, 1628, 1900, 2015, 2313, 2417, 2722, 2896, 3079, 3294, 3490
Vancouver, B. C.
Dry dock, ques. 316, ques. 3620 Public building, 3156
Vandal, Mr. Calixte, ques. 1740
Vatican Mission, ques. 310
Venereal Diseases, 924, 927, 3556
Verville, Mr. Alphonse (St. Denis)
Board of Commerce, M. for abolition, 1143 Bonus and salaries, ques. 2079; ques. 2311 Eight-hour day, 381
Grand Trunk Railway and strike of 1910, 1564
House of Commons staff, ques. 590 Indemnity of members, 4072-3 Industrial disputes, 1981-2 Musical instruments, tax on, 3595-6 Parliament Buildings, 1424-7 Popular unrest, 1145 Price regulation, 1143 Profiteers-punishment, 1145
Vessel Rates, 1733, ques. 2414, ques. 2572, ques. 2777. See also Railway Act Amendment
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Canadian National Railways, ques( 342 Charge on for sick mariners, 2253 Icebreakers, 230, 1598, 1620 Uniforms of men on, 1603 " Montcalm," 1606
Importation of material used in construction, ques. 1114
Names
" A. J. McKie," ques. 587, 903, 910 " Canada," ques. 1230 " Canadian Inventor," 3226, 3359 " Canadian Pioneer," 902 " Canadian Recruit," ques. 312, ques. 1199, 648
" Champlain," ques. 314, ques. 672, ques.
921, ques. 1121; ques. 3619 " J. D. Hazen," 2105 " Lady Evelyn," ques. 3619 " Lady Grey "-Uniforms for crew, ques. 1003, ques. 1361
" Montcalm," 1606. See also Icebreakers " Niobe " and " Rainbow." See Naval Defence
" Simcoe," ques. 413 " Stanley," ques. 312 " Three Rivers," ques. 1897 " Voyageur," ques. 2776 " 33," ques. 410
Under Railway Commission, ques. 2777. See also Railway Act Arndt.
Victoria
By-election, 4584 Dry dock, ques. 3619 Shipowners (Limited) 4583
Victoria and Carleton, by-election, 121
Victoriaville-Arthabaska Branch Line, ques. 4502
Victory Loans, ques. 803, 2520 Amount of, ques. 2008 Commissions, ques. 320 Committee, ques. 320, ques. 2008 Gold, payments in, 2647-8 Tax exemption, 92. See also Loans
Vien, Mr. Thomas (Lotbiniere)
Canadian Govt. Merchant Marine, withholding of information, 1654-5, 1681-3 Canadian National Railways, 1457 Civil Service
Bonus, 1273, 1285 ^Holidays, 4062
Retirement of members, 4461
Vien, Mr. Thomas-Con.
Electricity, competition in sale of-taxation, 3116
Pood and Drugs Bill, 1256, 1266-7 Franchise Bill
Disqualification, charitable aid, those receiving, 1815-8
Proclamation, language of publication. 2286-96
Grand Trunk Railway, 1454-9 Income tax, 3120
Charities, 3246	.
Stock dividends, 3239-40 Maple products, 1255-6 Opium and Drug Bill, 1703-6 Pilotage, 1839
Post Office salaries, 4527-9 Private Bills-insurance and loan, 3860 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3210-1, 3213-4
Shipbuilding Credits Bill, 4139 Soldier settlement Defaults, 3223 Staff, 3220-1
Steel and shipping merger, 1953-6 Vimy Battlefield, ques. 1358, 1460 Vladivostok, Japanese occupation of, 1945 Vouchers, Govt, loss of at sea, ques. 3489 Wainwright, Herd of Buffalo, 3283 War
Army boots and shoes, ques. 506 Biattlefields Memorial, 1460, 1738, 2078, 2177 Bonus to soldiers, 1082	_
Canada's record, 46 Canadian Expenditionary Force
Burke, Rev. A. E., Chaplain, ques. 2079 Members, ques. 315
Officers and men stationed in Canada, ques. 1200
Provinces, enlistments by, ques. 40S Sterling, payments in, ques. 2008 Vouchers, Government, loss of at sea, ques. 3'48'9
Canteen profits, 709, ques. 800 Defaulters, Chicoutimi, ques. 409 Equipment, guns, 3661-2 Fishermen, and, 845
Indemnity	*
Allies conference at Ostend, 2476, 2574 Canada's share, 1084
Germany, payments, ques. 310, ques. 1463 Kinmel camp riots, 709 Medals, ques. 1003, 1046, ques. 1120 Medical officers and nurses, ques. 341
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Brudenheim branch, 871-2, 885, 4250 Equipment, 4250 Canadian Wheat Board, 4130 Car shortage, 882-3 Franchise Bill, 765
Advance polls, 1934, 3875-6 Name not on list-oaths, 3877 Polls, hours to be open, 1920-1 Recall, the, 2050-1 Horse racing 3428
Naturalization, enemy alien origin, 3921-2 Royal Canadian Mounted Police, 3199-3200 Pensions, 3202
Saskatchewan and Manitoba penitentiaries, ques. 2574 Soldier Settlement, 2132-3 Spirit River wheat shipments, 566
Wigmore, Mr. Rupert W. <St. John City and Counties of St. John and Albert) Freight to Canada from United States prepaid, 1893
Opium and Drug Bill, 1753, 1756-8 St. John dry dock, 4573 St. John harbour-pilots, 2118 St. John river-wharves, 2123 St. John-Digby service, 4285-6
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Wilson, Mr. J. R. (Saskatoon)
Agriculture, 2387 Canadian "Wheat Board, 4354 Civil Service bonus-letter carriers, 1276 Coal Operations director, 3180 Commercial Feeding Stuffs, 3165-6 Franchise Bill-conveying voters, 1062 Income tax, charities, 3313 Newsprint, 2967	.
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