1917-07-09

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. C. A. GAUVREAU (Temiscouata):: Last week the Minister of Finance stated that the Outside Service would be dealt with, as far as the salaries were concerned, in the Supplementary Estimates. I wish to ask the Minister of Marine and Fisheries if he has received any petitions from the lighthouse keepers, and if it is his intention to have the increase asked for dealt with in the Supplementary Estimates when they are brought down?


Mr. HAZEN:: A number of petitions have been received, covering a period of some months past, from the lighthouse keepers in different parts of the country asking for an increase in their salaries. At the present time lighthouse keepers are divided into different classes, with fixed salaries for each class, starting at the minimum, and advancing by certain gradations up to the

maximum. The request from these different classes is that the minimum be increased. The petitions have received consideration, but I cannot at the. present time give any assurance to my hon. friend such as he asks for.



CUSTOMS AND IMMIGRATION FORMS IN FRENCH AND ENGLISH.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Hon. RODOLPHE LEMIEUX:: In justice to my hon. friend the Minister of the Interior, I call the attention of the House to the remarks I made on Saturday, with reference to blank forms to be given to travellers between Canada and the United States. I made an application to the minister that these forms be furnished travellers, as requested by them. I stated that some time ago I had applied to my hon. friend to provide these forms to travellers, and I find, from a letter which I received from the head of the Immigration Branch, that the statement of the hon. minister is confirmed, and, therefore, I am glad to say that my hon. friend acquiesced in the request at the time I made it.



PRIVATE BILLS.


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Bill No. 93, to incorporate The Kenora and English River Railway Company.-Mr. Carrick.
Bill No. 101, respecting The 'Canada Preferred Insurance Company.-Mr. Stevens.
Bill No. 102, respecting The Western Canada Accident and Guarantee Insurance Company.-Mr. Bradbury.

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(Questions answered orally are indicated by 'asterisks).

Mr. EDWARDS:: 1.	What officer or officers are in charge of Home Defence recruiting at Kingston?
2.	When was said officer or officers appointed, at what rate of pay, and how many recruits have been obtained?


Sir EDWARD KEMP:: Lieut. Col. W. Y. Mills, 29tih March, 1917, pay of rank. Oapts. F. K. Mahood, W. E. Swaine, and Lieut. Campian, 9th April, 1917, pay of rank. Major Knight and Lieut. J. E. Taylor, 14th May, 1917, pay of rank. Lieuts. J. C. Newlands, G. K. Mills, W. J. Barrett, 28th April, 1917, pay of rank.

The officers represent the headquarters of the battalion, also the officers of one double company.
It was intended that their services should be utilized in connection with recruiting not only for home defence but also for Canadian Expeditionary Force. It was deemed inadvisable to release them just now. Their services are being utilized in the meantime ' in connection with recruiting for Canadian Expeditionary Force through the British Mission in the United States.
This battalion will likely be utilized as a depot for overseas reinforcements.
The total recruits received for Canadian Expeditionary Force is not available, but for Canadian Defence Force, they were fifteen in number.


EXPEDITIONARY FORCES, ENLISTMENTS.
*Mr. LEMIEUX:: 1.	What is the number of recruits enlisted in the Expeditionary Forces up to date: (a) Rural recruits; (b) Urban recruits, (c) Unmarried men; and (d) Married men?
2.	Will the minister give the statement of these figures by provinces?
Sir EDWARD KEMP;
lx The records have not been compiled in such a manner as to set forth the information asked.
2. Answered by No. 1.


QUESTION PASSED AS ORDER FOR RETURN.
Mr. ARTHURS:: 1.	What number of men enlisted in, or transferred to each of the following Canadian Expeditionary Force Battalions, 22nd, 41st, 57th, 69th, 150th, 163rd, 167th, 178th, lS9th, 206th, 230th. 233rd, and 258th?
2.	What is the total number of non-commissioned officers and men sent overseas with or from the above battalions?
3.	How many non-commissioned officers and men remain in Canada belonging to the above battalions?


UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS.
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Mr. Levi Thompson: For a return showing the names of all persons employed in connection with the Office of the Commissioner of Live Stock in the Province of Saskatchewan, showing the salaries and expenses paid them; and also showing the number of stallions and bulls placed in Saskatchewan when the said office was established.

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House in Committee on Bill No. 75, respecting Military Service-Sir Robert Borden. (Resumed from Saturday, July 7. Mr. Rainville in the Chair.)
Sir SAM HUGHES:: In the early part of the debate, there was a discussion as to the number of officers who had been engaged in recruiting in Quebec. I did not at that time delay the House with the names of those officers; in fact I did not know the names of all the gentlemen whom we had engaged in. recruiting in that province; but I have here a list-it is not a complete list-of a number of very excellent officers who were in service at that time and who did yeoman work so far as they could.
In British Columbia we had as District Officer Commanding, Col. Roy, a French-Canadian who was in command in the English-speaking district. This officer found favour on every hand, no one finding fault with him. In Toronto we had General Les-sard. There was another Roy, an officer of the Engineers, who did recruiting work in the early part of the war, and who went over with the 22nd Battalion, and who, as was mentioned here by the Prime Minister, gave up his life in trying to save some of his comrades from a bomb explosion in one of the trenches. There are two Col. Fages, both very excellent officers, each of whom has done his best in recruiting work. Then there is Col. Louis LeDuc, who is well known to us and who has become a Brigadier in the service. Col. Gaudette, who was in charge of the Dominion Arsenal for many years and who retired, again came to the front and did excellent recruiting work. He went over with the 22nd Battalion, but his health failed him. He now occupies a very high position in munitions work in England. Col. Papineau is a young lad who went over as a lieutenant in the Princess Patricia's and who was promoted to a colonelcy in the service. He is one of the finest officers to be found in the force. There is also a Captain Papineau who has done splendid work in recruiting and who has also served in the war. Col. Paquette of Quebec gave his time recruiting throughout the Quebec district. There are two or three Panets, only one of whom is in Quebec. Col. Labelle has done what he can. Col. Landry has done good work both in Quebec and at the front. Col. Ostel, of the 65th Battalion was unable, on account of his state of health, to go to the front, but he has been one of the best recruiting officers. He has enlisted many boys, all of whom have done very well. Col. Chauveau, of Quebec, and Col. Puize of Rimouski together raised one of the finest battalions that have gone to the

front. They have done fine service in the way of recruiting for that battalion. Col. Puize is regarded as a very fine officer. Col. Dansereau, a Royal Military College graduate, did splendid service under Col. Currie at the battle of St. Julien. He was an old Montreal boy. Col. Gingras has been at the front and has done splendid work. He has been back to Canada for recruiting work and is recruiting in the United States at the present time. Col. Barre all know as one of the most fearless and successful officers at the front. Major Asselin, who declined to take command of a battalion on account of his not having previous military experience, is a most experienced recruiting officer. Col. Lepro-hon, who went over with the First Contingent, was wounded and came back. He went to the Northwest and raised another battalion, not quite to full strength, and it has gone overseas. Then there is a Col. De Salaberry, who, I understand, is a descendant of the famous De Salaberry who went over with the Princess Patricia's and returned to take the command of a battalion. He has gone back with his battalion. Col. Hector Verret has done yeoman service at the front and now commands a battalion there. Col. Readman, who was given an opportunity of raising a battalion, did his level best and succeeded in raising a certain number of men. Col. Blois, a man po-ssibly a little over age, but a most enthusiastic gentleman, also went to the front and did his work to the satisfaction, at all events, of many of his officers over there. He has come back from the front and has done his best in recruiting. Col. Grothe has also done good work. Col. Tremblay, commander of the 22nd, is a most excellent officer and a splendid soldier. Col. Plante has also done good work. There are two Col. Scotts, who have been over and have come back again, who are engaged in recruiting work at the present time. Then there is Major Dubuc, and then last, but by no means least, the Laviolettes. I am speaking from recollection. I think there are two or three Lavio-lette boys, one of whom was severely wounded and is now, I am sorry to say, dying at Montreal, another who was wounded at the front, and a third boy who has done yeoman work. These soldiers have all done splendid work in the way of recruiting.


Sir ROBERT BORDEN:: Col. Migneault.


Samuel Hughes: He did splendid
work in the Medical Service and also in

the recruiting line. He helped to recruit the 22nd Battalion and another battalion, and he then went into the Medical Service. We have met the wishes of these people in every way, and so far as I am concerned, they have not found .fault.


Charles Arthur Gauvreau: Did the hon. member mention Col. Puize?


Samuel Hughes: Yes, Col. Puize
raised one of the finest battalions ever raised in Canada.


Charles Arthur Gauvreau: When he reached
England, he was told that he would not be allowed to lead his battalion. Later on he was asked if he wanted to go to the front and was informed that, if so, he would have to take the rank of lieutenant. He accepted the rank of lieutenant and went to the front.


Mr. PUGSLEY:: What was done in the
way of newspaper advertising for recruits?


Samuel Hughes: I do not want to go into details or to criticise any particular plan of recruiting, but I am bound to say that those of us connected with the militia can feel on looking back that we are entitled to pat ourselves on the back, because our system was the best of all. I did not find platform recruiting very effective. Our officers with their recruiting committee reached eviery part of the Dominion, and had they been consulted they would have produced as fine a list-a voter's list, you may call it if you like-of eligible young men from the Atlantic to the Pacific as it was possible to compile. They had lists of the eligible young men in every district of the country, and there were very few of military age in Canada who did not have the opportunity of putting on the uniform if they chose to do so.


William Pugsley: My own view is that any newspaper advertising that is done should be done irrespective altogether of party politics. It appears from a return that was brought down 'to the House, recently that in the province of New Brunswick 300 per cent more money was paid to the St. John Standard, the organ of the Conservative party, than wras paid to all the other newspapers of the province.


Samuel Hughes: What was the
amount?


William Pugsley: 
Samuel Hughes: I thought the St.
John Standard was a Liberal paper.


William Pugsley: Perhaps that is why the mistake was made.


Samuel Hughes: So far as the department is concerned, we never did any advertising at all. Advertisements would sometimes be inserted in papers by local officers, and if everything was found to be proper the account in some cases would subsequently be paid by the Government; but not one dollar's worth of advertising was done by the department for recruiting so far as I can recollect.


William Pugsley: I am speaking of the return that was brought down the other day.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Referring to the question of recruiting in the province of Quebec, I have already stated on two occasions, notably the other day during the debate on this Bill, that the Asselin regiment was a success largely because the ex-Minister of Militia gave us the necessary backing. I am glad to bear testimony to his valuable aid in connection with the formation of that regiment. 1 think, however, one or two explanations are. due in connection with the statement- the ex-minister has just made. He mentioned as one of the chief recruiting officers Colonel Roy. My hon. friend must have had a momentary lapse of memory, because Colonel Roy was pensioned off when war was declared.


Samuel Hughes: No, that was later.


Rodolphe Lemieux: It was shortly afterwards, then. For several years he had been District Commanding Officer at Montreal. He was later transferred to British Columbia. I do not object to that, except that I think much better results would have been obtained if he had remained in Montreal, because, as my hon. friend states, he was an excellent officer, a born soldier, and he understood the people of my province well. I also know Colonel Paquet, who is a son of the ex-postmaster of Quebec city, who was one of rhy officials when I was Postmaster General. He is a charming young fellow, very active, and very able, and he was most anxious to have his regiment go to the front. He raised two regiments, and what happened? I had it from his own lips that as soon as they had reached the required strength they were drafted to support units either at the front or on the point of leaving for the front.


Samuel Hughes: They were drafted to the 22nd and the 41st.
Mr.' LEMIEUX: As regards the 22nd, my hon. friend stated a moment ago that that regiment had been raised by Colonel Mig-neault. No doubt Colonel Migneault is entitled to much of the credit.
- Sir SAM HUGHES: He assisted.


Rodolphe Lemieux: But in justice to the
right hon. leader of the Opposition, and in' justice t.o the memory of the late Postmaster General, Mr. Casgrain, I must say on behalf of my province that if the 22nd Regiment ever came info existence it is due to my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) and the late Mr. Casgrain, who appealed to public opinion in the province of .Quebec. Col. Migneault benefited by the work they did.
Sir SAM. HUGHES: I only wished to remove an impression in Ontario that we had altogether neglected recruiting in the province of Quebec. On the contrary, the hon. member for Rouville will beaT me out that I appealed to him on more than pne occasion, and he did his bit in connection with the Asselin regiment and the 22nd.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I might inform the
committee that the Asselin regiment was raised in less than two months. We received all the necessary aid and backing from the department, and if the same aid and backing had been given in connection with recruiting in other parts of the province of Quebec many an Asselin regiment would have been raised. Major Asselin, it is only just to say, is an exceedingly brilliant French Canadian, pne of the most popular men in the province of Quebec, and it is not surprising that he succeeded in surrounding himself with young officers of ability, some of whom had been recalled from the front to help in the formation of that regiment.


Samuel Hughes: The hon. member must bear in mind that in every battalion area in the province of Quebec we did not have an Asselin or a Lemieux. I took the liberty the other day of suggesting that members wishing to make suggestions on the Bill should put them in concise form, and I should now like to present to the committee a few notes I have made.

On section 4-calling out by classes:
4. (1) The Governor In Council may from time to time by proqlamation call out on active service as aforesaid for the defence of Canada, either in Canada or beyond Canada, any class or subclass of men described in section three and all men within the class or subclass so called out shall, from the date of such proclamation, be deemed to be soldiers enlisted in the Military Forces of Canada and subject to military law for the duration of the present war, and of demobilization thereafter, save as hereinafter provided.
(2)	Men so called out shall report and shall be placed on active service in the Canadian Expeditionary Force as may be set out in such proclamation or in regulations, but until so placed on active service, shall be deemed to be on leave of absence without pay.
(3)	Any man by or in respect of whom an application for exemption is made as hereinafter provided, shall, so long as such application or any appeal in connection therewith is pending and during the currency of any exemption granted him, be deemed to be on leave of absence without pay.
(4)	Any man who is called out and who, without reasonable excuse, fails to report as aforesaid or to remain on active service where placed shall be guilty, according to the circumstances, of desertion, or of absenting himself without leave and shall be liable
(a)	to be tried by court-martial and convicted and punished by imprisonment, for a term not exceeding three years, or
(b)	on summary conviction to imprisonment for any term not exceeding three years.
I prefer the Militia Act as better, more elastic, more workable, less inclined to cause friction, and more inclined to produce good results, but the Government does not so consider it.
I,	therefore, will not take one minute in discussing that aspect of the question, merely placing myself on record. I shall loyally support any and every proposition enacted in the Bill when finally completed; and shall, with the least delay, freely give my suggestions.
My preferences are more or less well known.-
1.	The tribunals are non-military, and are under the administration of the Justice Department. My suggestion would be to place them under military control, but let their composition be non-military.
2.	A mere suggestion is, the area unit, instead of being provincial, should be military district.
3.	There should be no special exemptions for "financiers" more than for farmers.
4.	It would have been advisable to have had registration.
5.	Clergy should not be exempt.
6.	Section 11, subsection (e) is the only one to my mind that should be retained. Is there a man in Canada who may not

be exempted under section 11 as it now stands?
7.	Desertions. It might be well to' provide for punishment under this, and other sections of the Bill, at the front.
8.	But, believing the intention of the Government is to help enlistment, and feeling that it is not meant merely to inflame one section against another, I will give every support, consideration and assistance to the passage, and to the carrying out of the principles of the Bill. It should be law within a week. My one aim is to help, uphold, and upbuild the gallant fellows who are enduring so patiently and performing so nobly at the front.
I regret taking up the time of the House with another matter, important not in itself but in its bearing on the whole public situation, that is, the falling off in recruiting, the causes thereof, and the denials of certain statements made.
The situation from February, 1916, to the autumn of tftat year was unique. Men were enlisting up till February and March as they never did before in any land. The home locality plan worked well.
Then the Prime Minister, as well as the Minister of Militia, was daily, sometimes hourly, worried by a fictitious agitation-I use the term "fictitious;" it was a very nasty agitation. Suggestions, complaints, advice, appeals, demands, re recruiting were made.
Possibly more than any other, except the Finance Minister, the influence of Lord Sbaughnessy was potent in this embarrassment. Both Lord Shaughnessy and Sir Thomas White complained of the number of battalions being raised in Montreal and Toronto respectively at the same time. In the Montreal area, with a total population of nearly a million, including the adjoining counties, there were being recruited three battalions. On our basis of 40,000 for a battalion of 1,000 there should have been at least twenty to twenty-one instead of three. In Toronto there were five, or including two formerly authorized but fully completed, only seven were under way, where, as compared with the country districts, there should have been twelve. From one or other of these two gentlemen the fol- ' lowing fallacious arguments were also advanced :
"Industries would be ruined if so many men were enlisted;"
"Farmers could not put in their crops;"
"Munitions could not be made;"
"The war "would be over by July or August, 1916;"


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"Transports could not be had;"
"It would take «a long time to get the troops to England, as only a certain number could be taken- monthly."
Rodolphe Lemieux: By whom were those
statements made?


Samuel Hughes: By one or other of
these gentlemen, and 'by others, of course. Every -one had them in his mouth.
1.	From first to last the tendency of the cry was not the upholding and strengthening of the boys at the front so much as the commercial idea at home. The Prime Minister certainly was worried, and be his recollection whatever it may of any particular conference, it is apparent from the results what was running through bis mind. He was interviewed by Mr. Godfrey, of Toronto, w'ho, later, spoke of it to the Chairman of the Toronto Recruiting Association, who, in turn, reported to his Association. The data may have been more or less expanded or contracted, but in general terms it appears that the Prime Minister entertained the idea early in the spring of 1916 of stopping recruiting, and that he felt inclined to stop it but for the fear that it could not be resurrected.
2.	That large numbers were then already enrolled and in training in Canada.
3.	That the demands and needs of labour must be regarded.
4.	That transports were not available t-o carry all the troops, and, at the rate of moving them, there were -men enough enrolled to keep the transports busy for many months.
5.	It was hoped the war would be over by August, 1916.
Such were the impressions given as coming from Mr. Godfrey, through the chairman, to the members of the Toronto Recruiting Association. Whether Mr. Godfrey got them all from the Prime Minister or from some other source is 'not given to the public.
Further, I assert, that influences and statements were utilized to the effect that, as Minister of Militia, I was merely forming battalions and recruiting men who would never he used, and all for my own vainglory. I did not learn until later that jealousy, envy, and overweening ambition were actuating those working against the be-st interests of the great cause.
I leave it to the people of Canada and to the boys at the front to determine who has worked disinterestedly for the soldiers and the cause, and who for vainglory.
On Saturday last, I observe from Hansard, that Sir Thomas White denied he had ever used to me the words " Canada has already done her full duty to England in recruiting in this war." The Finance Minister on two occasions used the expresion to me; on one occasion he put it in the form pf a question, prefacing it with the words " don't you think?" etc. On the second occasion he made the distinct statement. On another occasion, not to me, he went farther, and instead of using the identical words " full duty " the expression was " more than her fuli duty." On the second occasion, I assured him it was not for England but for Canada, for the Empire, and for human liberty that I was in the war. On Saturday last, the Finance Minister quoted a letter to a Toronto gentleman; I do not know whether it was written in 1917 or in 1916-both dates are somewhat mixed up in the report; but np matter when it was written, it hears on its face the imprint that the soldiers in the trenches are secondary to the commercial interests.
I need make no apology here, or elsewhere, regarding my loyalty to the business interests of Canada. When the hon. the Finance Minister had Canada on the verge of financial ruin, at the beginning of the war, my loyalty to their cause was then shown by my actions in establishing industries in Canada which resulted in placing her industries of every class on a sound financial basis; but I have never made any pretence of placing anything on a par with the soldiers in the trenches. They stand first in the heart of every honest Canadian. The Finance Minister's letter in every reference places them secondary.
Considerable interest is evidently manifesting itself on the general aspect of this case. From one of the most distinguished men high in the ranks of the Conservative party in Canada-I may say very high in the ranks of the Conservative party, and one who will be a good deal higher still-one concerning whose loyalty to the party or to the great cause is unquestioned, I have received a report of which the following is an extract:
Let us look back to 1911, when the piteous, agonizing cry for help was heard from what is now historically known as the anxious, financial, and commercial group, who with the erstwhile protector of 'Nabob's vineyard' urged to the front on their behalf-and who with tearful voice apologizing for his desertion from his party-pleaded for the success of his new and untried love, so that the interests of his superiors could be saved and protected; and then we can understand all that has happened since.
Not satisfied with the saving grace that the party at that time so unctuously threw around

them they have ever since been using* their advocate for their own personal gains; and this Government was never satisfactory to them until their interests have been made paramount.
Not even the exigencies of this horrible war were overlooked or unexploited; for, even here, their interests have been served; and some day he who could have been served-and there is none so blind as he who will not see-will see in all its hideousness a wreck which constant and never-ceasing intrigue has made. But he will have for his comfort, if comfort it can be, the sight of others who have been similarly betrayed; for slowly, but surely, Ephraim is returning to his idols and his recantation will soon be due.
In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, let me most positively assure this House and the country of the absolute truth of the statements which I have made.


Sir WILFRID LAURIER:: Has the Prime Minister nothing to say in answer to the statement of my hon. friend the ex-Minister of Militia and Defence (Sir Sam Hughes) ?


Samuel Hughes: I am not making any statement with regard to the Prime Minister at all.	[DOT]


Wilfrid Laurier: I asked if the Government has anything to say.


Robert Laird Borden: The statement
is already made. I have nothing more to add. I am perfectly convinced in my own mind as to what the facts were. I have already stated them to the House, and I repeat them again
On section 4:
Sir \\ ILI RID LAURIER:	We considered the first three paragraphs of this section the other day and, as far as I am concerned, I have nothing further to add; but, the fourth paragraph requires some explanation:
Any man who is called out and who, without reasonable excuse, fails to report as aforesaid or to remain on active service where placed shall be guilty, according to the circumstances, of desertion, or of absenting himself without leave and shall be liable
(a)	to be tried by court martial and convicted and punished by imprisonment, for a term not exceeding three years, or
(b)	on summary conviction to imprisonment for any term not exceeding three years.
By this section concurrent jurisdiction is given to have a court-martial or to take proceedings in an ordinary magistrate's court. Is that correct?


Mr. MEIGHEN:: That is correct, but I do not think the word " concurrent " is quite right; it is alternative jurisdiction.


Wilfrid Laurier: Why should there be two recourses instead of one? It seems to me that trial before a magistrate ought to be quite enough. A man is called and he immediately becomes a soldier. Then, he claims his exemption; it is either admitted or not, and if his claim is rejected and he does not report, he is liable to be taken before the court. Would it not be better to have him taken before a magistrate rather than to have a court-martial?


Arthur Meighen: There are various circumstances and it is thought better to make the jurisdiction alternative for that reason. For example, if a man fails to leave his ordinary avocation and to report for duty, it would appear to me as much more convenient, and indeed more fitting, that his case should be tried before a magistrate. He has never physically come under military jurisdiction. On the other hand, a man might come within the military jurisdiction and fail to accept the assignment to such military duty as he might be allotted to. He has come physically under military jurisdiction and -the more convenient method would be to prosecute him by court-martial. Subsection 4 provides for taking care of both contingencies and consequently alternative jurisdiction is established.


Wilfrid Laurier: Very well;
that is satisfactory. Who is to prosecute? If he is brought before a magistrate, as under the ordinary law, can anybody become an informer and prosecutor and lay a complaint against him?


Arthur Meighen: There is a section
later in the Bill under the head of "regulations," section 12:
(1) The Governor in Council may make regulations to secure the full, effective and expeditious operation and enforcement of this Act and in particular, but not to limit the generality of the foregoing, may
(a)	define the duties of Registrars and fix
their remuneration ;	-
(b)	authorize officers and tribunals to give directions not inconsistent with this Act;
Cc) prescribe the conditions as to time or otherwise under which applications for certificates may be made, deferred applications received, appeals entered and heard and re-hearings had, and prescribe forms;
(d)	prescribe for the keeping and transmis-. sion of records;
(e)	appoint such peace officers or other officers and give them such powers and impose on them such duties as may be deemed necessary;
(f)	make provision for expenses and the remuneration of officers ;
(g)	prescribe penalties for peace officers or other officers appointed under the authority of this Act, who are convicted or neglect or refusal to perform duty without reasonable excuse.

These regulations must be published forthwith in the Canada Gazette. It is the intention to provide officers for the purpose of carrying out the Act.- They may be provincial officers, they may be municipal officers, or they may be neither, but full provision is contained in section 12 for taking care of prosecutions.


Mr. SINCLAIR:: If a man is convicted and sentenced to the full term of three years, is it intended that he shall be confined in the county jail of the county in which the action is carried on? If so, it would seem to me to be a very improper Diace to imprison a man for such a long term. Most of the jails are insanitary, there is no way of giving the prisoner exercise, and no opportunity of putting him at work. Rather than put a man in jail for three years without an opportunity of getting fresh air, it would be better to put him against the wall at once and shoot him. There is another question in connection with this that I would like to submit to my hon. friend and that is the question of municipal expense. Will the board of the prisoner become a charge on the county where the trial is held? Under the present system of summary conviction, as you know, the expense falls on the county. It strikes me that there should be some provision by which the expenses would be borne by the Department of Militia and Defence in order that it should not fall on the county in a case where the prisoner is a military prisoner.


Arthur Meighen: In the first place, I
need only call my hon. friend's attention to the law of the land which prevents imprisonment in any county jail for two years or upwards. I. think my hon. friend will recall that two years less one day is the limit of confinement in any other institution than a penitentiary. If the full term, of two years or upwards, were given, the confinement would necessarily not be in the county jail. As to the municipality, the county or other party bearing	the expense, I would like to
hear the reason of my hon friend for feeling that there should be any different law applied here for violations of this Act from what would be applied for violations of any Act. My hon. friend will recall that in almost innumerable statutes, and in a great many Orders in Council passed under the authority of statutes, there appears the very same clause as appears here. Offences are created, offences are punishable on summary conviction and the
penalty is there stated. Under the law of the land the expense falls where it falls.
It would appear to me that there can be no good reason advanced why it should not fall here as in innumerable other cases.


Mr. MARCIL:: Is there any appeal?


Arthur Meighen: The summary conviction provisions of the Criminal Code would apply where there is an appeal.
Mr. MARCIL.: I am not familiar with the Code. If a man is condemned to three years' imprisonment, is there an appeal to a higher court?


Arthur Meighen: There are the summary trial provisions of the Code, and there are the summary conviction provisions.. My recollection is that there are cases under the summary conviction provisions in which there is an appeal.


Wilfrid Laurier: There is no appeal except in stated cases.


Arthur Meighen: Whatever it is-I do not pretend to be able to give every portion of it to the House offhand, but I think there are cases in which appeals are allowed. The general law will apply.


Rodolphe Lemieux: This shopld be made very clear now.


Arthur Meighen: It is very clear right now, and it has been long established in the Criminal Code.


Charles Marcil: I think appeals should be allowed in these cases, because it is a very serious matter to take a man out of his ordinary occupation and put him in jail for three years without the right of appeal.


Arthur Meighen: My hon. friend will remember that under the summary convictions clauses of the Code three years is by no means the maximum penalty that may fall on a man who comes under those provisions. I have known cases under summary conviction of much longer imprisonment than that. So, whatever reasons for appeal there may be here, there would be as strong reasons in other cases. Thus the general law applies. I do not see what more could be asked for.


Charles Marcil: Does the hon. gentleman mean that in these cases there will be no appeal?


Arthur Meighen: I do not mean that at all.


Rodolphe Lemieux: We ought to know distinctly.

Mr. MARCH,: The people are deeply interested in this clause, and all possible information that could be given should now be forthcoming in order to clear up this misunderstanding. The people are not very familiar with this kind of legislation, and any information that could be given would be of great advantage. We should know whether or not there is any appeal in these cases.


Arthur Meighen: I shall make a statement, later, on the subject of appeals under the summary convictions clauses. I am not clear at the present time.


Mr. CARVELL:: I think you will find that there is an appeal under the summary convictions clauses of the Code, straight to'the county court judge.


Charles Marcil: An appeal from a court martial?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, from summary conviction.


Charles Marcil: But these men are sent to jail by court martial.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: 1 do not know what would be done there, but on summary conviction there is an appeal to the county court judge, practically a re-trial.


Wilfrid Laurier: In case of a court martial, the judgment of the court is always subject to revision by the military authorities, and that is really an appeal; and so, if what my hon. friend (Mr. Car-veil) says is right, there is always a re-trial.


Mr. MORPHY:: Speaking, not on the details of the vvorking out of the clause but on the clause itself, it strikes me that the punishment is too light. As I read subsection 4, it is dealing with two classes cf cases, one where a man fails to report, aqd the other where he has been on active service and deserts. It seems to me that the punishment of three years in the latter case particularly, is utterly inadequate to the offence of desertion after being on active service. The punishment from all time for desertion has been much more severe, and I do 4 p.m. not know why it should be reduced to three years in a critical time like this. If all is true that has been said about a certain class who have been denominated slackers, to send them to jail for three years would be like sending them to a picnic; they would rather welcome the safe incarceration in either a county jail or a penitentiary if they could be safe from going to war. My idea is to make the 
public understand that this law is a drastic measure, and so I think that this punishment should be ten years instead of three for the man who deserts and probably five for the man who fails to report. I feel that it is the sense of the loyal element pf the country at large that whatever this Bill shall be it shall be drastic and intended to meet the case. Those who are unwilling to do their duty, or who fail to do it after undertaking it, should be met by a Bill that is drastic in every phase. This Bill should be held up to them now as something that will reach them and reach them hard. In that way many of them may come in before the terms of this Bill are passed into law.


Wilfrid Laurier: I am not as anxious as the hon. member for Perth (Mr. Morphy) to have a drastic measure, but we ought to have a clear measure and to know exactly where we are. This very clause leads us into a good deal of confusion. By the first section of the Act, we have made the Army Act part of this Bill. The Army Act upon this point is far more severe than my hon. friend from Perth has suggested this Bill should be. Here is section 12 of the Army Act:
Every person subject to military law who commits any of the following offences ; that is to say,
(a)	Deserts or attempts to desert His Majesty's Service; or,
(b)	Persuades, endeavours to persuade, procures or attempts to procure any person subject to military law to desert from His Majesty's service, shall, on conviction by court-martial, if he committed such offence when on active service or under orders for active service, be liable to suffer death, or such less punishment as is in this Act mentioned.
If the Army Act is incorporated in this Bill, and it already is incorporated by the first section of this Bill, under the Army Act, a person charged with the offence of desertion is 'liable to suffer death. It must be remembered that under the chapter I have read the punishment of death is applicable when the man is called to active service. In former years the punishment for desertion was death in all cases, in peace time and in war time; but in later years it has been made applicable only during active service. Under the section we are now considering it is provided:
The Governor in Council may from time to time by proclamation call out on active service-
The man who is called out under this Bill, if it becomes law, is held to be on active service, and therefore, if the Army Act is incorporated in this Bill, as it al-

.ready is by the first section, the deserter is liable to the ,punishment of death. It is true that under this section he is liable only to imprisonment fot three years. That is a provision of this Bill. But the Bill has already made the Army Act a part of the law which is to be, and I cannot see how we can escape the conclusion that desertion is punishable by death.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: By section 13 it is clearly shown that this Act is by itself, although I believe there is a misprint in the ward " therewith."
The Militia Act, the Army Act, and the King's Regulations and Orders for the Army shall so far as applicable and not inconsistent therewith

	t
I think that is a clerical error and means " not inconsistent herewith."
-apply to and form part of this Act.
That clearly takes the Army Act and the Militia Act and the King's Regulations and Orders out of this Act where they are inconsistent with its terms.


Wilfrid Laurier: I do not say
to the contrary, but at all events we should know where we >are. Is the Army Act to apply or not to apply?
Sir ROBERT jBORDEN: It seems to me very simple. The Army Act is to apply so far .as applicable and where it is not inconsistent with this Act.


Wilfrid Laurier: That is so
intended?


Robert Laird Borden: In respect to
these particular offences it would be inconsistent, and therefore this Act would prevail.


Charles Marcil: Would it not be advisable to include as a schedule to the Bill the clauses of the Army Act that do apply, because the people .generally are not like members of this House or of the legal profession or of the military profession; they are not familiar with ail these things.. Would it not be well to add the clauses to the Army Act, so as to know exactly what applies and what does not apply, so that every man to whom this Bill may be sent will know exactly what he was up against?


Arthur Meighen: There is no possibility of doing that. It could be done better by a provision in the clause. There is a certain application of the Army Act, but it must not be applied so as to conflict with this clause. For example, when a man is
tried by court martial, the principles that govern such tribunals apply, and the Army Act applies; but when it comes to the penalty, this Act applies. The tribunal cannot go beyond the limit fixed by this Act.
If one were to extract clauses, he could not extract the clauses that apply to court martial, because that is governed by the provisions of this Bill. On the question of an appeal under summary conviction, I would refer to section 749 and section 146 of the Criminal Code. Those sections are in pretty full terms and set out the provisions for the appeal. Later on, in section 761, are to be found the provisions for stating a case. It will, therefore, appear that such provision for appeal is made here as has been considered in the general run of criminal convictions.


Mr. NESBITT:: I have read clause 12, which my hon. friend referred to, but it does not give much information. It says that the regulations are to be made by the Governor in Council. That is one thing I do not like. I think the regulations should be set forth in the Act, and made part of , the statute. The advertisement or notice which shall be given of that proclamation depends entirely on the view of the Governor in Council. You are going to punish a man who is called out under subsection 4 of section 4, who without reasonable excuse fails to report. Many people in the country do not read the papers. Nobody reads the Canada Gazette. Members of Parlianjent are the only gentlemen who receive it, and they throw it in the waste-paper basket.


Mr. BOYCE:: That might be a reasonable excuse.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: It might be. That
would depend entirely on the view of the magistrate. All magistrates are very mortal-some more so than others-and I would not like the community at large to be subject to the whim of the magistrate, or to be subject always to the whim of the county judge. Therefore, I think it should be distinctly stated in this Bill what the advertisement for the proclamation should be. All I want to do is to have the Bill in reasonable shape, so that the public will be protected from prosecution. I do not imagine the intention of the Government is to persecute in any way, but still . the tribunals might.


Arthur Meighen: Of course, if regulations were embodied in the Bill, then they would not be regulations. They would be

sections of the Bill. Wherever regulations are referred to in any Act, they are to be afterwards promulgated by the authorities designated by the Act. That is the nature of regulations. As to publication, I may say that we embody as much in the Bill as can reasonably be done, and more than is done in England. In the Bill, we leave less to regulation than is done under the British Act. For example, under the British Act there is no division.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Pardon me, I do not care anything about the British Act. We are dealing with this country.


Arthur Meighen: Perhaps other hon.
gentlemen do.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: I am not speaking for other hon. gentlemen.


Arthur Meighen: In the British Act they leave these provisions to be afterwards worked out by regulation. Here we specify the division. As to publication, the reason it is put in the shape it is in Section 12 is that some notices and some regulations, which from time to time may be made necessary, will be of such very minor importance and such purely local consequence that it would be unwise to provide in the Bill that all of them should receive the same publicity, and that we should go to the same expense with regard to all. There may be regulations later on which will provide for the case of a tribunal whose head resides three or four . miles from where hearings are held for the convenience of the public. It would not require the same publicity that other more general regulations would require. Consequently, it has to be left to the discretion of those who are most directly interested in the success of the Bill to see that such publicity is given as will bring the provisions of the Bill, and the provisions of the regulation, home to all to whom they should be brought home.


William Pugsley: I suggest to the Solicitor General the desirability of providing a different tribunal for the case of a man who has actually been enrolled and gone into active service and becomes a deserter, from the tribunal which is to try the case of a young man who simply fails to report. That is along the line followed by the hon. gentleman from North Perth (Mr. Morphy), though, of course, he dealt more with the punishment. It seems to me very objectionable that a young man who is simply called out by the proclamation should be liable to be tried by court martial. If he 
is tried by court martial there is no appeal, and the question as to whether he had a reasonable excuse or not would be a question of fact in regard to which a young man should have the opportunity of appealing, if the decision was, in his opinion, contrary to the facts of the case. Therefore, I think that trial by court martial ought to 'be limited to the case of one who deserts after he -has actually become attached to the army and engaged upon active service in Canada, of course, as well as abroad. A proclamation issues, we will say, calling upon young men between the ages of 20 and 23 to come forward and report. A young man may not come within that class. He may be, according to his own belief and the belief of his parents, 24 years of age. He may not be one who is liable to report under the first call. It would be a very great hardship if he should be brought before a court martial, tried .and convicted as a deserter under this Act, when, according to his belief and the belief of his parents, he was not entitled to be called at all.
^ Mr. MEIGHEN: That would come under " reasonable excuse."


William Pugsley: But the court martial may decide he was under 24 years of age, and that he had no reasonable excuse for not coming forward. It would be a very great hardship that he should be convicted and sentenced to three years in the penitentiary by court martial, without having any right of appeal. There is no provision whatever in the statute for appeal from the decision of the court martial. It seems to me cases of that hind should be tried before the magistrate under the proceedings 'by way of summary conviction, and if the young man were found guilty, and it was thought he was wrongly prosecuted, he would then have an opportunity of filing his bond and appealing to the judge of the county court, in the ordinary way in which appeals from summary convictions are taken. For that reason I would suggest to my hoh. friend whether the proceedings by court martial ought not to be limited to cases of desertion, after a man has actually become a part of the expeditionary force, and whether cases of mere neglect to report should not be tried under the Summary Convictions Act, in which case all the remedy ordinarily provided by law in case of summary conviction would be open to him.
Mr, MEIGHEN:	My hon. friend is not
quite correct when he says there is no appeal in the case of court martials.


William Pugsley: There is none by this
measure. Where is that provision to be found?


Arthur Meighen: Similarly, there is none in the ease of summary convictions. But the Code is still in effect and make3 adequate provision. There is also provision in the King's Regulations and the Army Act for a reconsideration of the sentence of a court martial. I am not very familiar with military procedure, but I understand-indeed, if I caught rightly the words of the leader of the Opposition, ihe stated the nature of the appeal in cases of court martial.


Wilfrid Laurier: The sentence
is subject to revision by the military authorities.


Arthur Meighen: There is a revision of
the judgment of a court martial. That judgment always comes before the competent military authorities including the Minister of Militia, so that it ie not correct to say there is no appeal in that case. On the main point raised by my hon. friend as to the wisdom of making a distinction in the tribunal in the case of a man who fails to report and in the ease of a man who having reported and having come under the jurisdiction of the military authorities, then deserts, I have made a note and will give an answer later on.


William Pugsley: Will the section stand
in the meantime?


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


Mr. TAYLOR:: The evidence takfcn before a court martial is all taken down in writing. This evidence, with the finding of the court martial, is sent, b.efore the finding is promulgated or goes into effect, to the officer who appointed the court martial, and the finding has to be reviewed and confirmed by him before it has any effect.


Rodolphe Lemieux: By him alone?


George Taylor: Yes. Afterwards it is
sent down to the Judge Advocate General at Ottawa, General Smith. That is a very long process, and unless the sentence is for a long period, any revision he made would not be effective. In the case of a long sentence, the Judge Advocate General is again charged with the duty of interfering if the sentence of the court martial does not appear to be in accord witlj the evidence presented. How far is it intended that this measure shall follow these soldiers? I presume it is not intended that there shall be one law for soldiers already enlisted or who enlist voluntarily, and another for soldiers coming in under this measure.


Arthur Meighen: The point directly raised by the hon. member for New Westminster (Mr. Taylor was in my mind when the hon. member for North Perth (Mr. Morphy) was speaking and may be reserved for consideration with the matter already reserved at the suggestion of the hon. member for St. John.


Mr. GLASS:: In reference to clauses (a) and (b), is it intended that the penalty imposed in one part of the country for an offence shall differ from that imposed in another part of the country for the same offence? There seems to be some ambiguity in this respect. One court, for instance, might impose a sentence of twelve months, while another might impose a sentence of two years or three years. The sentence imposed in one province might differ from that imposed in another. The offence of desertion is desertion wherever it is committed. If a deserter is tried by court martial, the military authorities provide what penalty there shall be, but if say, in Ontario, a man fails to respond to the appeal of his country, he may have the maximum penalty of three years imposed. Some judge, however, in Manitoba or any other province might take a more lenient view of a similar case and might impose a smaller penalty. There should be no room for variation in the penalty imposed for that offence.


Arthur Meighen: My hon. friend will see at a glance that it would not be possible to fix a hard and faet punishment for every case of desertion. A limit must be fixed and the decision left to the tribunal according to the circumstances. What may be a crime in one case may not be a crime of the same extent in another. There may be desertion and desertion, but very different degrees depending upon the circumstances of each case, just as in every case of the oommieeion of an offence.


Samuel Francis Glass: I was not speaking so much with reference to the matter of desertion; I was speaking with reference to the man who does not respond to the call of duty.


Arthur Meighen: That is desertion.


Samuel Francis Glass: Then the men who will not respond to that call must, no matter where they may be, be treated in the same way. It might be possible for a magistrate, or

whoever tries the case, to impose a nominal penalty-


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Three days instead of three years.


Samuel Francis Glass: -of three days, or thirty day3 or sixty days instead of three years. The offence of not responding to the call should make a man liable to a fine consistent with the seriousness of the offence. I am not a lawyer, but there seems to be a wide margin for making a farce of the whole matter if a minimum penalty is not imposed for an offence of that kind.


Arthur Meighen: The offence, like every other offence, may from an abnormity go down in degree of guilt and infamy until it is nearly nothing at all. For instance, if a man is a deserter, he may have such an excuse that the judge might feel is not a reasonable excuse within the meaning of the law, but is very close to a reasonable excuse. That man might come before the judge, and, while failing to convince him that his excuse is reasonable, might say: I am ready to submit myself right now; I would have done so before had I understood things. Would my hon. friend have the judge say to the man: Although you may be ready to become a soldier, I am bound to send you to jail for three years? I think what is in my hon. friend's mind is this, that a man having served his time would have expiated his offence and therefore not be liable again. He would be liable still. Were he sent to jail for three days, he would have' to report for duty immediately he was released. If he failed to do so, he would be again guilty of the offence.


Samuel Francis Glass: Supposing you found in any particular district the officer trying the case not in sympathy with the principle of conscription or of military service, he might make a farce of the whole matter by giving offenders only a few days' imprisonment. There should be a minimum penalty.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: The military authorities would soon get rid of such an officer.


Robert Laird Borden: The hon. member (Mr. Glass) does not recall the fact that the difficulty to which he alludes is experienced in the general administration of the criminal law. There are comparisons made -all the time in this country and in other countries between the sentence one judge may impose for a particular offence and the sentence another judge may impose for a like offence. You cannot regulate these matters in advance, if you are going 
to leave the degree of punishment to the judgment of the tribunal. Perhaps the hon. gentleman has not appreciated the observation made by the Solicitor General, that the imposition of punishment under this section does not relieve the man from his obligation to military service. He is still liable to it, although he may have received and undergone a sentence.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Is that made quite clear in the Act, and where is it to be found?


Robert Laird Borden: It is to be found
in the fact that there is nothing in the Act against it. The man is made liable to military service. If he commits a certain offence he is to receive a certain punishment, within limits, but the imposition of that punishment does not relieve him from service to which he is liable under the provisions of the Act. It leaves his status in respect to the Act exactly as it was before.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I wish to support as
strongly as I can the suggestion of the hon. member for Middlesex. If the Act is to be really effective the clause should make an offender liable to a punishment of not less than three years and not more than ten or six years, as the case may be; that would be making it definite. The hon. member for Guysborough made a suggestion as to the expenses of incarceration of prisoners convicted under this Act. Personally, I do not see why a sentence of imprisonment with hard labour should not be imposed on any one found guilty under the Act. If the clause stands as it is, I think the salutary effects of this enactment will be frittered away. As the clause stands, a magistrate strongly opposed to imprisonment for this sort of offence-and they are to be found in all provinces-might let his personal feelings come into play and disregard the interests of the country. He might say with a smile to the man brought before him charged with an offence: " You are guilty. Three days in the common jail." Or he might sentence him to jail for only 2 hours. Surely, the Government cannot afford to allow an Act with such a clause to go on the statute-book. To my mind it would bring the Act into absolute contempt in many portions of the Dominion.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Would my hon. friend suggest that the Government be directly represented at the court?


Arthur Meighen: My hon. friend is referring to the tribunal. My hon. friend

from North Perth had reference to the magistrate who tries the case.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I do not think he is paying much of a compliment to the judiciary of this country when he suggests that a judge would make light of this Bill, However, I should not object to seconding my hon. friend's amendment if he would also bring war grafters under this drastic law.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I am informed that a
session or so ago amendments were made to the Criminal Code dealing with th aft very class.


William Pugsley: Have they been dealt
with?


Hugh Boulton Morphy: I have not heard of
there being anything serious.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Some hon. members
have said the grafters should be shot.
Mr. BOYCE. I am in agreement with my hon. friend) from North Perth, especially, in view of the statement that an hon. member of this House makes in this morning's newspaper, that rather than obey the provisions of this Act, 20,000 or 25,000 people wpuld go to jail. That is certainly a serious statement to the public, coming from a member of this House. It makes one feel that we should be very certain with regard to the provisions in this Bill for punishment of any one disobeying the law in any part of Canada, irrespective of any province. Suppose that the threat of the hon. member-and his statement was made in public-were carried out and that 20,000 or 25,000 prosecutions had to take place, and that the magistrate who heard, the cases saw fit to impose a penalty of only 24 hours, those men would be getting off pretty lightly-
I am also inclined to support my hon. friend's general suggestion that the provisions of the Bill with regard to punishment do not go far enough. This is a very important measure, certainly the most vital measure that could be placed before this House and the country. It calls on every man, and the punishment for an offence should be so drastic that any one wilfully disobeying the law should practically be made an. outlaw. I would suggest-I will pffer no amendment now, as I understand the clause is to stand-'that any man who has been convicted should be deprived for a period of three years after his imprisonment of the rights of citizenship, of his right to v.ote, for instance, at either a provincial, municipal, or Dominion election because of his contumacious conduct in disobeying the law of his country which calls him out for active service.


Arthur Meighen: As to the necessity for a minimum sentence I would ask hon. members very seriously to consider the purpose of the Bill. Its purpose is to make -soldiers, not jail-birds. If a minimum term is to be fixed and the contingency that -my hon. fiiend from Algoma suggests actually takes place, then the Bill will succeed in making jail-birds of these men, but it would be impossible under the Bill to make soldiers of them. We should bear in mind that immediately a man is apprehended for having deserted, by not reporting for duty, from that moment he is in the custody of the law, and whatever punishment he receives we have already made him an outlaw to the extent that he has disobeyed the law of the land. But as soon as he has served his term, be it only 24 hours-, he is under the Army Act in that he has deserted, and under the provisions of the Army Act he may be apprehended and brought before a tribunal and the law enforced; that is, he may be made a soldier; he becomes a soldier after becoming an outlaw. Keeping in mind what we have in view, and not the mere question of punishment, it seems to me that the Bill in that regard is as it ought to be. As to the necessity of a higher maximum of punishment that can be taken- into account with the other -suggestions made by the hon. member for Perth and the hon. member for New Westminster.


George Taylor: The answer of the Solicitor General has a bearing, of course, on the answer to the question I asked a short time ago as to how far this Bill follows the soldier. To my mind this Bill should not follow the soldier beyond his attestation. If we attempt to make it apply to him longer than that, I think we shall only be inviting trouble. We cannot have two classes of soldiers. We cannot have one law applying to men already in the army, and another law applying to those who are brought in under this Bill. If the Bill makes it quite clear that its purpose is to provide a force which is to be delivered over to the military authorities I think our trouble will be at an end. I would not for a moment group our citizen soldiers with the grafters to whom the hon. member for Rouville has referred.



I think it would be most unfortunate to stigmatize a man as a criminal because he 'has committed a purely military offence, such as failing to report,. When 1 had the honour of commanding a battalion in the Canadian *'Expeditionary Force, I had to do with a great many offences, against the military law. There was hardly a day a commanding officer's court was not held. In very few of those cases was there any vicious intent, and I found that the law of kindness was much more effective than [DOT]the law of repression, with respect to those soldiers; -and if you showed human sympathy with a soldier, and treated lightly an offence which was not repeated and recurring offence, explained to him his liability to punishment and the desirability that he -should maintain the dignity of his own institution, you got along indeed very well with him.
I should be sorry to, see any minimum punishment established under this Bill, as I think in a great many cases the purpose of the Bill would be served by apprehending the citizen and making him fully .conversant with the liability to which he was subjected under the law. [DOT]


John Howard Sinclair: I would suggest to my hon. Mend the Solicitor General that it might be well to have .some method by which a prisoner can be pardoned, provided that after sentence he should be willing to obey the law and become a .soldier. It strikes me that it would be well to have a provision of that kind, because no doubt there will be many cases of that nature, where men without very much intention of doing wrong fail to appear, and might be convicted and sentenced, and after spending a few days in jail might make up their minds that perhaps it would be better to join the boys in the fight, .and be willing to go. I would suggest that .some .person should have authority in oases of that kind to pardon a prisoner and admit .him into the forces.
In regard to the suggestion made by my hon. friend from North Perth (Mr. Morphy) that a light sentence .might be imposed upon an offender by a friendly magistrate, which would, in .a way, make the Act a farce, I would ask would he not be liable for another .sentence? Suppose a call comes to John Smith to turn out on a certain day, and he declines to go. His .case is brought before a magistrate, and he is sentenced to, .say, a week's imprisonment. He serves his sentence, and is discharged. Is he liable to be called on again, or does that

settle the matter as far as he is concerned? Is he not liable for a second prosecution later on? I would .like to know from the Solicitor General what the .situation would be in a case of that kind.


Arthur Meighen: He is liable in case of any future desertion. I would apprehend, however, that inasmuch as he is in the custody of the law he would he .physically under the military authorities, ,and it would be much more difficult for him to deseTt thereafter.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Would he not be liable to be tried by a court-martial, if the .magistrate was too lenient?


Arthur Meighen: He could not 'be tried by court-martial for the same offence, no matter how leniently the magistrate may have dealt with him.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: I mean, could he not be tried by court-martial the next time?


Arthur Meighen: Yes. In case a man repents and changes his mind after he has been convicted before the magistrate and sentenced, the full power of pardon rests with His Excellency, and may be exercised. An Order in Council is now in effect covering convictions or desertions, which provides that the convicting magistrate or judge may, of his own motion, release a prisoner if the .prisoner is ready to take up again his military duties. That is to say, it has devolved upon the judge himself to provide more definitely for the pardon and release of men guilty of desertion, or guilty of absenting themselves without leave, which, of course, is another offence. In case of a conviction toy court-martial, there is full power to pardon, not in His Excellency the Governor General, but, I think, in the commanding officer. In any event, the members of the House who have more knowledge of military matters .may explain that it will toe quite within the power of superior .authority to release prisoners convicted by court-martial.


Rodolphe Lemieux: As the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) lias allowed members of the committee to ramble in the discussion of the Bill, I would suggest- we take up the question of tihe exemption of the clergy. I would not mention the point if my hon. friend the member for Victoria (Sir Sam Hughes) toad not raised it in his speech this afternoon.


Robert Laird Borden: I think my hon. friend had better let the matter stand. It will come up in its proper place. If we

begin jumping from one section of the Act to another, we will never get through.


Rodolphe Lemieux: 
Wilfrid Laurier: Might I call the attention of my right hon. friend (Sir Robert Borden) to subsections 1 and 2 of this section. Does this wording mean that the appeal tribunals may also take evidence? I should imagine the intention is that only the local tribunal takes evidence. Or, is the court of appeal to take evidence also, upon the evidence already taken?


Arthur Meighen: It was thought wise to give the appeal tribunal power to take evidence if it saw fit.


Wilfrid Laurier: For what reason? It woul-d simply be a re-trial.


Arthur Meighen: We want the very simplest procedure possible before the local tribunals; and we want as few lawyers as possible, the idea being that the great bulk of the eases will be disposed of by the local tribunals. It might be that under such conditions as that a man might not adduce before the local tribunals evidence that he later could adduce. We do not want to debar the court of appeal judge from taking that evidence if he sees fit.
Sir WILFRID LAURIER; The appeal will not be an appeal in the ordinary sense of the word, but the appeal court gives to the prisoner a re-trial before a judge.


Arthur Meighen: Yes, much in the way
of an appeal from a magistrate under a summary conviction.


Rodolphe Lemieux: How many members of the appeal court will there be?


Arthur Meighen: One.


Wilfrid Laurier: Paragraph 2
says:
Any tribunal may hear evidence on oath or otherwise as it may deem expedient, and for the performance of its duties, shall have all the powers vested in a Commissioner under part one of the Inquiries Act.
You establish a court, but a, commissioner is not a court. Why this drafting? Why not say that the court shall have the power of a court of record?


Arthur Meighen: A reference to the Inquiries Act will show that if the tribunal has the powers of that Act, it requires no more powers. I do not think it should be empowered further than a commissioner under the Inquiries Act. A general provision that it should have all the powers of a court of record would be more than would be necessary. It has hardly that status. It is more a board of inquiry than a court of record.


Wilfrid Laurier: It is a board of inquiry, but it has power to give judgment. It is a board of iniquity .for the purpose of exempting a man,


Mr. MURPHY:: Paragraph 2 of section
5 says:
Any tribunal may hear evidence on oath or otherwise as It may deem expedient.
Why "otherwise?"- It seems to me that this tends towards looseness of administration in the working of the tribunal. I think it should be confined to evidence upon oath or to a statutory declaration having penalties attached to the violation or breaking of the oath.


William Pugsley: It might be evidence of affirmation.


Arthur Meighen: My own idea was that it would be better that the tribunal should not be restrained in that regard. For instance, the cases might come very rapidly, there might be practically no question about a man's liability or about his right to exemption, and it seemed to me that it

would be better to leave it to the tribunal. If the tribunal thought the matter was sufficiently important, or the question sufficiently doubtful, to have an investigation, they could swear a man, but it might not be necessary to swear every man who wanted to make a statement before them.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: What prompted me to make that remark was a story I heard about a certain regiment in a certain district where seven prospective recruits went before a medical board for examination. The officer who told me the story said that they were the finest looking body of men he had ever seen, apparently physically fit, all single, not one with a dependent, and every one was rejected.


Arthur Meighen: A case like that would be taken care of by the presence of an official of the Department of Militia and Defence who could appeal immediately. I do not see that it will be taken care of any better by compelling swearing to the evidence.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: My answer to that is that laxity in procedure would be bound to come from the lack of sanctity of the oath. If you establish the solemnity of the tribunal, you will get a better tribunal for investigating statements than by any other method or arrangement.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: It will be left with the tribunal to make their own rules and regulations, and they can take evidence under oath if they want to. I agree with the Solicitor General.


Mr. KYTE:: Is it intended that parties appearing ljefore this tribunal shall be permitted to do so by counsel?


Arthur Meighen: The question of practice and procedure is left entirely to the regulations and to that class of the regulations which are framed initially by the central appeal judge. He will deal with the matter of procedure entirely, and it will be left ultimately to his decision as to what provision, if any, shall be made for counsel.


George William Kyte: I asked that question because subsection 2 says that:
Any tribunal may hear evidence on oath or otherwise as it may deem expedient, and for the performance of its duties shall have all the powers vested in a Commissioner under part one of the Inquiries Act.
I recall that a few years ago when a commissioner was appointed under the Inquiries Act to investigate partisanship, he held that he could not permit parties accused of partisanship to appear by counsel and in many instances they suffered to

a very considerable extent on that account. It should not'be left to the decision of a tribunal tout it .should be specifically stated in the Act or in the regulations.


Arthur Meighen: That is the way it
will be.


Mr. DEVLIN:: Is it intended in the province of Quebec that a judge of 4he circuit court shall sit as a court of appeal over a judge of the Superior Court?


Arthur Meighen: I do not see how that would be possible under the Act.
Mr.' DEVLIN: It is possible in this way. The local tribunal shall consist, in the province of Quebec, first, of a member appointed by the joint resolution of the two Houses, and .secondly of a judge of the Superior Court.


Arthur Meighen: What tribunal?


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: The local tribunal.


Arthur Meighen: Oh, no. We are at
section 5. We will discuss that when we come to section 6, but I do not think that is the case.


Wilfrid Laurier: Referring now to paragraph 3 of section 5 I find the following provision:
The Governor in Council may, upon the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge make regulations with respect to the establishment, constitution, functions and procedure of the said tribunals and such regulations may contain provisions for securing uniformity in the application of this Act.
That word " uniformity " is a very broad and elastic term. I do not understand how it can be defined. What is contemplated by that?


Arthur Meighen: There is a similar provision in the British Military Service Act. The intention is this:	A very wide discretion is left to the tribunal under a succeeding section as .to exemptions. It is desired that the interpretation and application of those provisions shall be as nearly as possible uniform, and it was thought that the central appeal judge might draft such regulations as would look to the securing of the uniform application of these provisions throughout Canada. The very same provision exists in the English Act.


Wilfrid Laurier: I asked that question because I thought that if there was a similar provision elsewhere we might know what it means and what regulations have been made. If there is a similar provision in the British Act, regula-

lations ought to have been made under it. What are they? I concede at once that it is desirable that there should he uniformity in the application of those clauses and that if possible the regulations should be made to secure that uniformity but unless there are precedents to which you can point, I am at a loss to imagine what regulations you could make which would be applicable to all cases beyond the com-monsense, prudence and fairness of the judges themselves. If you have any direction to give them, I should like to know if possible, what it is.


Arthur Meighen: I think I should be
going beyond my rights here if I attempted to indicate what might be regulations; but I can easily imagine regulations that would look to uniformity. For instance it might be provided that the same rule in respect of the presence of counsel should prevail in Manitoba as in Nova Scotia, or that there should be uniformity in the application of the subsection relating to health and physical defects. It has been found necessary in other countries, and we have provided, that where a man is physically and manifestly unfit for military service he need not go through the nonsensical formality of going up for medical inspection. For instance, if a man had no legs the board could exempt him at once without his going before a medical officer.
Section agreed to on division.
On section 6, subsection 1:
The minister may from time to time by proclamation or otherwise establish local tribunals at such places as he deems necessary and give each an appropriate designation.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Will the regulations
referred to in subsection 3 be published in the official Gazette a sufficient time before the law becomes effective to permit the public to become familiar with the regulations?


Robert Laird Borden: It would be the duty of the Government to see that the people of the country had notice of those regulations.


Wilfrid Laurier: Why is the word "otherwise" used, "proclamation or otherwise"? Is there any better way of making it known than by proclamation?


Robert Laird Borden: I do not know that there is, but we thought that we would leave it to the discretion of the minister.


Wilfrid Laurier: I am afraid if he attempted to do it otherwise than by proclamation it would not be the best means of making it public.


Robert Laird Borden: That relates to the form of publication. There would probably be publication in the press and notices posted up.


Charles Murphy: Is this the subsection to which the ex-Minister of Militia and Defence (Sir Sam Hughes) referred this afternoon when he said that military districts would be designated rather than geographical districts?


Samuel Hughes: Some place in the Act I found it spoke of a provincial jurisdiction; I think section 7.


Arthur Meighen: I can quite understand the point raised by the ex-Minister of Militia. Indeed, it was very frequently in our minds when these sections of the Bill were under review. The difficulty is that when it comes to the appointment of the Appeal Tribunal that is left to the Chief Justices of the provinces, and if it were done by military districts we should he under the necessity of having the 'Chief Justice of one province appoint the tribunal from another province.


Wilfrid Laurier: Where will these tribunals be established? By counties? Where will they meet? It is important to know where the men will report themselves.	1


Arthur Meighen: 'The tribunals will not necessarily be established by counties. They will be appointed and the places Where they *are to meet will be set out.
5 p.m. There may be two or three tribunals in one county, one in another, and some counties may have none. The point at which the tribunal is first established will be selected so as to suit the convenience of the population. A tribunal may subsequently sit in another county, and its jurisdiction is .ample all over the province. Any person may appear before a tribunal wherever he is; but he must abide by whatever tribunal he selects.


Samuel Hughes: Who determines the action of these movable tribunals?


Arthur Meighen: The Minister of Justice. The intention is that if a tribunal finds it can do its work better in any other place it can wire for authority to move, and, having that authority, it may move to another place.


Mr. PARDEE:: One tribunal might do the work for a whole province?


Arthur Meighen: It might do the work for a very large area. Later on there is provision for the consolidation of tribunals, if lit is found that they are not all required.


Wilfrid Laurier: What I had in mind was the convenience of those called. There may be in one township fifty young men, in another seventy-five, .and in another one hundred, and so on. The object of the Government will :be, no doubt, to cause the least inconvenience possible to young men and bring the tribunal as near to them as possible.


Robert Laird Borden: Yes, that is the idea. That is why so much discretion was left to the minister, in order that he might study the requirements of population in the different parts of the country, and arrange the tribunals accordingly.


[Stage Direction]
Subsection agreed to.
On subsection 3.-Local tribunals.
Rodolphe Lemieux: Judging from the remark just made by the hon. Solicitor General (Mr. Meighen) I understand that a man may select his own tribunal. Suppose, for instance, a resident in Ottawa is conscripted, and wishes to appear before one of the tribunals, would he be allowed to present his case before the tribunal, say in the city of London, or the tribunals in Toronto?


Arthur Meighen: Yes.
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Rodolphe Lemieux: Is that not an anomaly?


Arthur Meighen: I think, as a matter of legal right, under this Bill, he would be enabled to go to London, and apply to the tribunal there, but the restraining circumstance is that he would have a lot more difficulty in presenting his evidence, and convincing the tribunal, than he would ii he applied to a tribunal close at hand. But what was sought to be avoided was the raising of questions of jurisdiction. If geographical limitations were placed on the jurisdiction of the tribunal, the question of the domicile of every applicant would come up, and interminable questions of jurisdiction would arise. Those are avoided by allowing the young man to choose any tribunal he desires within his own province.


Wilfrid Laurier: There is no provision made .as to how many members will compose the Board of Selection?


Robert Laird Borden: No, there is not, and I would be glad to have suggestions from hon. members. We had difficulty in
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framing the section, and we desired to have it present not only the appearance, but the reality of perfect fairness to every one. Therefore, we arrived at the conclusion that a board of selection, established by joint resolution of the Senate and House of Commons, would be the best body. If any other course is considered preferable by the committee, I should be very glad indeed to consider it. We have the idea in our .minds that we might have a board consisting of two members from each province -18 in all.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Would that be two members from each province from the Commons, or from both Houses?


Robert Laird Borden: They will not
necessarily be selected from the House of Commons. If they should be selected from the Parliament, of course it would be appropriate to nominate some members of the Upper House.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have been thinking
a great deal about this clause-a little more than any other clause of the Bill-and my right hon.. friend must admit at once that a committee composed of, say, eighteen gentlemen from all over Canada would he a very unwieldy thing. There would be a very great deal of difficulty in getting them together, and I am afraid that many influences might be exerted upon them, and I would like to suggest, although I do not offer it as an amendment-that possibly there might b& a smaller board appointed for each" province in Canada, and see if that board, knowing the local conditions better than the larger board, could not work out a fairer method of choosing the members of these tribunals than could the general board that would be appointed under the suggestion of the hon. Premier. I simply throw out the suggestion. I think probably every member in the House has given this matter consideration. I know the people of the country have done so. I have received more letters along this line, and I have heard more criticism and discussion from people that I met and talked to on this phase of it, than on any other.
I think this suggestion might be worked out fairly well.


Wilfrid Laurier: I have had
the same experience as the hon. gentleman from Carleton (Mr. Carvell). I expected that perhaps the Government had a plan of their own, but if the only plan they have at the present time is the one suggested, of having two members from each

province, I am afraid it would be am unwieldy body and the observations of my tan. friend from Carleton (Mr. Car-vell) appear to be unanswerable. Since the Government themselves are open to conviction upon this question, and ready to receive suggestions, perhaps the best thing to do is to reserve the subsection, and at the next sitting of the House tan. gentlemen can express their views on the question.


Robert Laird Borden: I am not so
sure that it would not work out all right as it stands. As a matter of fact, it would probably work out in this- way: The members from each province would examine the situation in that province and arrive at a conclusion. Then the board would meet and make their appointments without a great deal of difficulty, because the gentlemen nominated by the members from each province would most probably be accepted by their colleagues from the other provinces. Therefore, the matter wmuld work out much in the way .my tan. friend from Carleton suggested, except that the appointment would be made by the whole board of eighteen, instead of by the local provincial board for each province. I shall be very glad to accept my tan. friend's suggestion and let the section stand.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: One of the difficulties
would be that you could not find any two men in one province who are fairly familiar with every section of the province. My idea is that if you could have a hoard consisting of four or five members for each province, you would have a more representative board than one consisting of two members.


Robert Laird Borden: That is well
worth considering. I had it in my mind that I w'ould ask my right tan. friend to name one man, and I would name another, and appoint the board in that way.
Section stands.
On subclause 1, of section 3:
1. In those provinces in which there are county courts or district courts, the county court judge or district court judge, or, if more than one, the senior judge for the county or district in which the local tribunal is established, or when the place at which a local tribunal is to be established is not within the territorial limits of any county court or district court, then by such judge as may be determined by the minister.
The judge making the appointment may appoint himself or any other judge having jurisdiction in the county or district.
For the purposes of this section, "county court judge" or "district court judge" includes
any deputy judge /authorised by law to act for the time being for any such judge, and also includes any acting judge so authorised.
In the province of Quebec:-
(a) In the judicial districts of Montreal and Quebec, any judge of the Superior Court of the province of Quebec who is authorized by the Chief Justice of the said court or authorized by the judge appointed to perform the duties of Chief Justice in the judicial district.
(h) In the other judicial districts the judge of the Superior Court of the province of Quebec assigned to the' judicial district within which the local tribunal is established.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: According to part 2 of this section relating to the province of Quebec, a judge of the superior court shall appoint one pf the members of the local tribunal. Is that member of the local tribunal to be appointed by that judge to be a judge of the same court?


Mr. DOHERTY:: Not necessarily. It is
not contemplated that he would necessarily appoint a judge.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: He may appoint any one?


Charles Joseph Doherty: ' Yes.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: So that the provision that applies to all the other provinces will not apply to Quebec.


Charles Joseph Doherty: It is just the same as in the other provinces. There is no obligation in the other provinces for the judge to appoint a judge. There is a provision that he may appoint himself or any other judge, but as I understand the matter, he is not limited to appointing a judge. The matter is permissive as regards the other judges.


William Pugsley: Is that limited only to
provinces other than Quebec? A judge in Quebec could not appoint himself.


Charles Joseph Doherty: It is not provided that he might appoint himself, because I do not think it was contemplated that we would ask judges of the superior court to undertake the work pf sitting on the tribunals. In the other provinces the county court or district judges are to do the work, and it was thought it might be quite proper that a county court judge should be appointed to do that work, but it did not occur to myself, nor, I believe, to the gentlemen drafting the Bill, that there was any need of our setting.the judges of the superior court to do that work, because it is to be noticed that the appellate tribunal is to consist of a judge of the superior court, and it would be, from some points of view, undesirable that you should first have a judge of the superior court sitting on the local tribunal, and then an appeal from that judge of the superior court acting with

another member of the tribunal, to another judge of the superior court.


Rodolphe Lemieux: If I understand the
Minister of Justice aright, the Chief Justice of the Quebec district will make the appointments there and Assistant Chief Justice Archibald of Montreal, will make the appointments in the district of Montreal.
Mr." DOHERTY: Yes.


Rodolphe Lemieux: And in each of the districts of the superior court in Quebec, the judge ,of that district will make the appointments,


Charles Joseph Doherty: With this exception,
that in the districts of Montreal and Quebec, I do not think the intention is that necessarily the Chief Justice shall appoint, but he will designate one of his,judges to make the appointments.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: The judge of the superior court may appoint himself or any other judge of the superior court or any body else.
Mr. DuHERTY: That is not expressly so provided, and the inference might, from the provision, being expressly made for the county court judges in the other provinces, be that the superior court judge would not be expected to appoint himself or another judge of the superior court. I pointed out a moment ago a reason why it should seem desirable that he should not do so. From that local tribunal composed of the nominee of the judge and the nominee of the board of selection, there is an appeal to a judge of the superior court. The reason why we have to make a difference with regard to Quebec is, as the hon. gentleman knows, that in that province we have no county court judges; we have only superior court judges.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: We have judges of the circuit court.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Yes, but only in the city of Montreal.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: It might be well to make a distinction there.


Charles Joseph Doherty: If the hon. member
thinks it desirable to make a distinct provision for Montreal, that question might be considered, but it seems to us that we should make a system of general application throughout the province. The judge of the superior court designated to make the appointments in the district of Montreal might, very properly, if he thought fit,

appoint one of the judges of the circuit court.	[DOT]


Rodolphe Lemieux: They are too. busy.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The hon. member suggests that our judges of the circuit court in Montreal have just about as much as they can do with their ordinary judicial work.


Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin: Does it not appear ridiculous to the minister that if a judge of the superior court is going to sit upon the local tribunal, yet afterwards under section 7, the Chief Justice may appoint, in the city of Montreal, a judge of the circuit court in appeal over the judge of the superior court?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I did point out the fact that the appellate tribunal was to consist of a judge of the superior court as a reason why you should not put a judge of the superior court on the local tribunal. I think that the words " any court " probably ought to be altered. There may be something in the suggestion of the hon. member, and perhaps the matter ought to be made clear. I had not observed that; I had in mind, as working the thing out in Quebec, that we have, save in the exception mentioned, only the superior court, and there the judge would be a judge of the superior court. I think in that province the intention was that it would be a judge of the high court or the superior court that should sit on the tribunal. While I would not like to admit that the matter appears to be ridiculous as it stands at present, probably when we come to it, it might be well to amend the provision as regards that province.


Wilfrid Laurier: In the subsection with regard to the provinces other than Quebec, the county court judge may appoint himself to be a judge. This is a very proper suggestion, because if there is in any place a man who would sit on these tribunals that man is the judge who administers justice generally. If we have not the same provision with regard to Quebec we shall be excluding the very men who are best fitted to sit on these tribunals. Subsection (b) of section II says:
In other judicial districts the judge of the Superior Court of the province of Queheo assigned to the judicial district within which the local tribunal is established.
If there is a man who ought to be a member of this court it is the judge in charge of the administration of justice

generally. If he is not allowed to appoint himself we shall be excluding the very best men we have.


Charles Joseph Doherty: As I pointed out, the judge of the judicial district will in all probability toe the appellate tribunal, and if he appoints himself to the local tribunal that will make it impossible for him to sit on the appellate tribunal. If he appoints himself to the local tribunal we should have a tribunal composed of one judge of the superior court and another gentleman named by the Board of Selection. They will sit and pronounce a decision, and that decision will be subject to an appeal to one judge of the superior court, and that one judge may reverse the decision of the district judge, assuming him to have a seat upon the local tribunal. What was in mind was that the judges of the superior -cuort were to constitute the appellate tribunal. That presents no obstacle in the way of a county court judge appointing himself to the" local tribunal, but it certainly is, 1 think, a serious obstacle to the judge of the superior court appointing himself to that tribunal, because in that case he would sit subject to an appeal such as I have indicated. There is no question that a judge of the superior court would be an excellent man to sit on a local tribunal, but on the other hand the general scheme does not contemplate the- local tribunal being composed exclusively of judges. It does seem to me that we can repose in the judge of the district court just the same confidence to make a good selection as we would repose in him himself if he were acting on the local tribunal, and that leaves his services available for the appellate tribunal.


William Pugsley: Is it intended that one member of each local tribunal shall be a judge, or may the judge appoint whom he likes?


Charles Joseph Doherty: They can go outside the bench altogether.


Rodolphe Lemieux: When a judge has
selected the members of a tribunal, are they compelled to act?


Arthur Meighen: Yes, subsection 5 of section 6 provides for that. In order that there may be no misapprehension, I may say that to my mind section 7 was intended to read exactly as it is. The provision enabling the Chief Justice to appoint appeal judges was made as wide as it is for the reason that in some provinces, particularly in the West and in outlying districts of
other provinces, the registrar might have very few appeals, and it would be very much more convenient to enable the county court judge residing in the district to hear the appeals than to send a King's Bench or supreme court or superior court judge from the capital of the province to hear those appeals. It was thought there would be no conflict of jurisdiction and no question of priority, at all events outside of the province of Quebec. A county court judge, even if he chooses to sit on one of the local tribunals, can only sit on one, and there would likely be several tribunals in his county. But, even if he sits on the local tribunal, we can trust the Chief Justice of the province not to appoint that particular judge to sit in appeal, and it is likely th^t no county court judge would sit in appeal over cases he had heard. I was not so familiar with the courts of the province of Quebec, and consequently no provision was made there enabling the superior court judges to appoint themselves. I remember that the point was raised, just as the Minister of Justice has raised it this afternoon, that the superior court judges would be those selected to sit in appeal, and the intention was that in each case they should make their own selection for the local tribunals and not appoint themselves.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Will tribunals be composed of laymen entirely, or of military men as well?


Arthur Meighen: Civilian tribunals purely.


Charles Marcil: Is there anything in the Bill preventing the appointment of a military man?


Arthur Meighen: It is not forbidden. The county court judge could select a military man as his representative, but it appears to me very unlikely that he would do so or that the board of selection would choose a military man.


William Pugsley: I was under the impression that one member of the local tribunal was to be a judge, and the other member appointed by the board of selection.


Robert Laird Borden: One member is appointed by a judge.


William Pugsley: But apparently that is not the intention. I suppose that no judge would be appointed on the local tribunal?


Robert Laird Borden: He might or
might not be. The local tribunals will have to be numerous, for the convenience of the population, and for that reason it would

be impracticable to have them composed of judges or even to have one member of each tribunal a judge.


William Pugsley: There may be good
reasons for not having judges on the local tribunals but I was under the impression, and I think the public was too, that one member of each tribunal would be a judge. With regard to Quebec, a judge may appoint himself or another judge, but in all probability he would not appoint himself or another judge when he could appoint a layman. So I look forward to having these local tribunals composed of people other than judges. There is nothing whatever in the Bill, so far as I can see, preventing a military man from being a member of a local tribunal, and I do not see what warrant the Solicitor General has for saying that a county court judge would not appoint a military man. The Bill does not prohibit it.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: I do not see why military men should be debarred. It - does not matter whether they are military men or not so long as they are not partisans; that is the main thing.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Has the minister considered the advisability of providing that there shall be a judge on each tribunal? It occurred to me, when I first read this section, that the county court judge would appoint either himself or another judge. That is perhaps a strained construction, and the Solicitor General says that that is not the intention. Have the Government considered the advisability of providing that one member of these tribunals shall be a judge?


Edward Walter Nesbitt: That could not be done if there was only'one judge in the county.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I realize that difficulty, but I should like to see the tribunals composed of men in whom the public have absolute confidence, and against whom there would be no suspicion whatever. In th'e great majority of cases, I am sure, the men appointed by the county court judge would be the very best selection he could make, but sometimes the county court judge might have great difficulty in finding men of the proper standing in the community who were willing to act.
I have looked over my own constituency, and I have wondered where in the world I could find a man who would be willing to accept that responsibility. I am afraid we will have some difficulty. Of course, I realize it would be imposing a very great burden upon county court judges, because

in our province one judge has charge of three or four counties, and he would have some difficulty in moving around all over the country. In any event, I wish the Government would consider that phase of it.


Mr. SCHAFFNER:: Does that refer to the local tribunals?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes.


Frederick Laurence Schaffner: It seems to me there would be difficulty in working it out in the West. In all southern Manitoba from Saskatchewan to Winnipeg there is one county judge only. In the constituency of Souris there is no judge.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: In all probability the territory would be too large to have it work satisfactorily.


John Howard Sinclair: Is it the intention that there should be one local tribunal for each county? Clause 1 of section 6 says the minister may, from time to time, (by proclamation or otherwise, establish local tribunals at such places as he deems necessary. I would like to know if it is the policy of the Government to appoint one local tribunal for each county, or if it is proposed to establish more than one, where the county is large? If more than one were appointed it would avoid inconvenience.


Arthur Meighen: It would be impossible to define exactly how many would be appointed to so many miles, but I have not in mind at the present moment any county where one tribunal would be sufficient. The county most familiar to me, of course, is Portage la Prairie, and I know it would be utterly impossible for one tribunal to take care of that county. Men would have to travel seventy miles to reach the tribunal. Such a thing would be absurd in a well-populated county. Consequently, it might be fair to state that there will likely be a local tribunal appointed in every substantial village, unless it happens to be very near some larger place. The aim is to meet the convenience, of the people, and to avoid, as much as possible, imposing expense and loss of time upon them.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Might I suggest to my
bon. friend that, as it will be rather difficult to find the proper man to act on those tribunals-and I do not suppose there will be any great enthusiasm to go on the boards-that- the selection of the judges be made from the justices of the peace of the county. These gentlemen have a fair knowledge of the law, and enjoy the confidence of the community. They are per-

feetly acquainted with the districts in which they live, and it seems to me they are the men 'best fitted to come in contact with the (public and to give the Act a fair trial.


Arthur Meighen: I have no doubt at all
the justices of the peace will be called upon. They have a great deal of experience in the matter of hearing evidence. At the same time, I think it would be very unwise to confine- the selection to them.
I might take this opportunity of saying that since the outbreak of the war members of the Government, and members of Parliament as well, I have no doubt, have been in receipt of very -many communications from prominent citizens all over Canada offering their services free. Those gentlemen are actuated by patriotic motives, and nothing else. They are anxious to do something in the war. I am in hopes that from the best of that class of people we will be able to get the men who will carry out the work of those loeaT tribunals, and carry it out well. To all those who have made such offers, and their number is thousands, I extend an invitation now to make it known that, if chosen by the authorities, their services will be available for this work. If they do, we will obtain very excellent results indeed, and I hope there will be no shirkers from the- duty of performing the work of the local tribunals any more than there will, be shirkers from those who should enlist for the war itself.


Mr. GRAHAM:: I would not make the
fact that a man was a magistrate a disqualification, but I would not like to make it a supreme qualification either.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Well, I should think
not.


George Perry Graham: These men must have
, other things to recommend them besides being accustomed to taking evidence. They would have to be fairly good students of human nature, men with very level heads, men who are unswerving in their views and who are absolutely fair.
I would like to ask the Solicitor General if he has had any- communication from the Motherland as to the success of their tribunals, or the satisfaction they are giving in their methods of operation. The reason I ask this: two gentlemen who have been in England told me within the last ten days that the work there in this respect was very unsatisfactory. I would not state the particulars, but they assured
me that if the same method was followed here, and the same lack of wisdom, I would say, in the performance of those duties, the whole thing would be quite unsatisfactory.


Arthur Meighen: We have various reports as to the working of the tribunals in England. What my hon. friend says is something similar to the reports we have received; subject to this modifying fact, while at first their local tribunals were unsatisfactory mainly because they seemed to think that in certain districts it was their duty to accept everybody, or to reject everybody, still they profited by their experience. They have had no less than five Service Acts introduced in the British House, three of which are now law. Each of these Acts took advantage of the experience they had gained under the preceding one. Now, we think we have taken advantage of all their Acts and all the experience they have had under them. One of the difficulties they had was that their tribunals were too large. We have profited by their experience in this connectioin. They also realized that the fullest opportunity for appeal had to be given to the military authorities. We think we have covered that also. Then, again, they have not a full control of their procedure as they moved along. We are in a position to enable the tribunal to have full control of their procedure, and there is a provision in our very first Act for uniform procedure. Consequently, if they have met with very many difficulties, we have no reason to believe we will meet with the same.


Charles Marcil: How many exemptions
we re there in England?


Arthur Meighen: I cannot tell, but I
know that while the number of exemptions was very great, they proceeded to reco-mb them and they kept recalling men over and over again until now they have succeeded pretty well in securing all that are available.


John Howard Sinclair: With reference to what my hon. friend from South Renfrew (Mr. Graham) has said, I have been looking over the British Hansard on this question and I have discovered there were some severe criticisms made in regard to the local tribunals in Great Britain. I find in>
one case that Sir Roland Adkins, M.P., speaking in the British House of Commons on May 15, 1916, said that in one case the appeal tribunal reversed no less than 16 out of 18 decisions of the local

tribunal, and in every ease they treated the original applicants more generously than the local court had treated them. There was a certain amount of dissatisfaction with, and some severe criticism in the House of Commons of, the decisions given by local tribunals. They bore rather hard on certain applicants who appeared before them.


Mr. McCRANEY:: I wish to endorse
what my hon. friend from Carleton, N.B., (Mr. Carvell) has said as to the desirability, if possible, of appointing a judge on the local tribunal. There must be authority connected with the carrying on of the work of these tribunals and such authority will be given by the presence of a judge where it would not otherwise be found. It will give a finality to the proceedings which will tend greatly to lessen the number of appeals.


Arthur Meighen: I think the hon. member for St. John (Mr. Pugsley) is wrong in the belief that judges will not themselves act. I know that there are cases where perhaps they could not even act on one tribunal but it is hoped that wherever a judge himself is able to act, or wherever the judge junior to him is able to act, such judge will be appointed on the tribunal most important in the county. I do not know of any reason to apprehend that if judges had the time they would decline to perform this public service.


William Pugsley: What I meant was that where it was not in any way obligatory upon a judge to act, but where the power of appointment is simply vested in the judge, it is not likely that he will assume the duties himself. No judge would like to appoint himself where he was simply given power to make an appointment and, if the opinion of the Government is that it is desirable they should act, the Bill should provide that they should act in all cases were it is feasible to do so and the feasibility or otherwise should be determined by the Governor in Council. Unless you throw upon the judge the duty of acting he is not at all likely to appoint himself and I am not quite sure that he is likely either to appoint some other judge.


George William Kyte: 
Rodolphe Lemieux: I am sure that I voice the sentiment of my own province when I say that, if it is possible to get them, judges are the fit and proper persons to preside over such tribunals.


Albert Edward Kemp: There are not enough.


Rodolphe Lemieux: 
William Pugsley: Is that statement of universal application with reference to judges?


Rodolphe Lemieux: I have argued cases before my hon. friend (Mr. Doherty) when [DOT]he was a judge of the superior court, and I have the most gratifying recollection of his high character as a judge.


Charles Joseph Doherty: Did you always win your cases'? -


Rodolphe Lemieux: Of course as a politician my hon. friend may be quite a different man.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I have not yet got the habits of a politician,


Rodolphe Lemieux: I am afraid my hon.
friend has fallen from grace. I think my hon. friend might well consider the suggestions which are being made.


Mir. MACDONELL:: This is a very important provision of the Bill. It is essential, not only that justice should be done, but that the people should be satisfied that justice has been done. We all know that the courts in all parts of Canada command the respect of the people unimpaired. The county judge is naturally the man in a district to whom the people look for justice and fair dealing. In Ontario' we have one or two county judges in each county, so that there is ample provisional machinery to which these matters could be referred.


Angus Claude Macdonell: There is no doubt
about that. I think the Minister of Justice has nearly one hundred county court judges under his authority in Ontario. It would seem highly desirable that the county court judge in a district should be definitely named as one member of the tribunal. The people would respect his findings, feeling that they were unbiased and that if he made errors they would be made unintentionally. Owing to the great diversity in population between the different counties, it must be difficult to lay down any general practice. In the county of York, including Toronto, there are perhaps 700,000 people, so that quite a number of tribunals would be required there; other counties have not more than 20,000 inhabitants. There is provision for these perambulatory itribuuals, and the county court judge could [DOT]move about and hold courts in different centres in his district.


Mr GRAHAM:: He now holds division
courts all over the coutoty.


Angus Claude Macdonell: If the Government
[DOT]could see their way clear to make the county court judge one member of the tribunal, to appoint him definitely, I am sure it would work out not only with justice hut to the satisfaction of the people.
At six o'clock the committee took recess.
After Recess.
The committee resumed at eight o'clock, Mr. Rainville in the chair.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I understand that subclauses 1 and 2 of clause 6 have been carried.	*


Arthur Meighen: Subclauses 1 and 2 have been carried. All of subclause 3 oif clause 6 stands.


Charles Marcil: Referring to subclause 2 of clause 6, I did not understand whether an answer had been given to the suggestion that district magistrates in the province of Quebec might be employed. They are appointed by the provincial government, and their powers are extensive in civil and municipal matters. They correspond, in some respects, to the county court judges in the other provinces.


Arthur Meighen: They may be named for local tribunals. I quite agree with the hon. gentleman from South Renfrew (Mr. Graham) that the selection should not be confined to them, but they may be named.


George Perry Graham: And they have ample
time, moist of them.


George Perry Graham: I suppose I might say, in the presence of lawyers, that the successful operation of the law depends fully as much on the methods adopted in its enforcement, and the men employed in using those methods, as on the words of the statute. A good law may have very poor results, if enforced by imen who do not appreciate the conditions under which the law was made, and realize the full intent of it. Sometimes the letter of the law is more successful in the breach than in the observance, if the breach is not too large. There never was a law placed on the statute books of this country to which this observation is as applicable as to the present one. In reference to the form of the tribunals, it strikes me that there is a great deal in the remarks of the hon. member for South Toronto (Mr. Macdonell), as to the county court judges, particularly in the province of Ontario. We have, in a great many of our counties, a senior and ia junior judge. Two judges were appointed originally where the business was too heavy, or supposed to be too heavy for one, but of recent years, while the business has decreased very much, the number of judges has not decreased. We have some appointments of recent date of a second judge in counties where there is not sufficient work for one. I realize that that is largely in the hands of the provincial rather than the Dominion authorities, the appointment of the judge being by the latter, and the necessity for his appointment being decreed by the former. In Ontario the senior and junior judges are in sufficient number, and with insufficient work, to my mind, to enable them to carry on their duties under this statute without imposing any h ard-ship upon them, and so long as we are under a party form of Government, and *men have their likes and" dislikes politically, very strong in every locality, it will be difficult to select men whom the public will think are giving the greatest satis faction. I would not say the men themselves would not be doing their best, hut they might as well make a mistake as to have the public think they are making a mistake. If the statute provided that these judges should do the work, I think no serious objection could be taken. I do not know what the condition is in other provinces, but speaking of Ontario, knowing the various counties, and feeling confident that none of the judges has too. much work,
I am heartily in accord with what the hon. member for South Toronto says. I think that the Government should take that into i-Mr. Meighen.]
consideration fully, and I will be disappointed if they do not arrive at the conclusion that these judges ought to do the work.


Arthur Meighen: I thoroughly agree with the wisdom of having the judges do the work. If, they have the time to act on, at least, one of the tribunals in the county, I think it is to the interest of all concerned, and very much in the interest of the enforcement of the Act, that they should be nominated. But there are two points in, connection with that phase of it. I do not see any other way of wording the section, because, if we make it compulsory on the judge, there are cases where he cannot comply and do justice to his work. I know of such oases. Furthermore, it would not seem wise, because.you would only get him on one tribunal, and there would be other tribunals in some counties on which he could not act. Then there is this further consideration: there is nothing in the Bill to prevent the Board of Selection naming a judge. If the members of the board know that a judge could be spared, and a judge had not named himself or the junior judge, it would be within their competence to name him. In that way, we would have a tribunal that would judge each case on its merits.


George Perry Graham: This man is selected by a body who are not judges, and not named by statute. If he is named by statute, there could be no semblance of partisanship. There will be all kinds of suggestions made to the body that has the selection from all quarters as to who the men ought to be. I am subject to correction about the other provinces, but I am speaking advisedly about Ontario.


Arthur Meighen: Did the hon. gentleman understand me when I stated that the
board of selection could select a judge themselves, as a member of the tribunals?


George Perry Graham: They could, but they need not. It is open to that criticism, and, above all things, with the feelings in the country, we must avoid every loophole, or opportunity for criticism, or suggestion that these tribunals might not be properly selected.
I may be wrong about this suggestion, but the Minister of Justice will know; I believe it will be proper, in Ontario at all events, for the Bill to provide, after consultation with the Provincial Government of course, that one of the judges in each county where there are two judges should be assigned to this work. Let this be his work for the time being, and let him be relieved of the other

work; there might be some provision made whereby he could attend to some other work when he was not busy on this, but let him make this his primary business.
I believe it would not interfere with the administration of justice, throughout Ontario at least, and it would relieve the selection from all semblance of criticism, because, in placing that provision in the statute, you would not be selecting any particular judge; you would be selecting a judge in every county in the province. I would go that far in my view, that it ought to be done by statute, and that it should be made the duty of one of the judges in each county where there are two.


Arthur Meighen: Does the hon. member think it would be worth while to put in that compulsory clause, just for the sake of the counties where there are two judges? It would seem an anomalous thing to insist on it where there are two judges, and leave it optional where there is only one.


George Perry Graham: I did not go that far. The Government might make it obligatory on all the judges so far as possible. Where there are two judges, I would suggest that one judge be nominated for the board of selection.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: What is true of Ontario is also true of the Maritime Provinces. In those provinces we have no senior and junior judges, but each judge has from two to four or five counties to look after, and every hon. member from the Maritime Provinces will admit that those gentlemen have * hardly enough to do to keep them-


George Perry Graham: Warm.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: -in working order. In the Maritime Provinces there is hardly an instance where a county court judge could not find plenty of time to do this work. That brings us back to what has been stated by many hon. members, namely, that the very fact that a judge is appointed to this position makes the appointment acceptable to the great majority of the people. It does not matter whether he was a Liberal or a Conservative before he went on to the bench, the fact that he is a judge makes the people feel that his decisions will be based upon the actual facts. As I read this Bill, the appeals really do not amount to very much after all. When I first read the Bill and from the,way in which the newspapers took it up, I -imagined that there was going to be an enormous number of appeals, but the appeal tribunal, as I find from section
7, refers practically only to the case where the two members of the local tribunal fail to agree. If the two members of the local tribunal agree, their decision is almost final, wiith the exception possibly that a man might go on from there to the central appeal judge, and I do not see how he can. We shall discuss that matter, I suppose, when we come to it.


Arthur Meighen: That comes in section
10.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have read sections 7 and 10, and they amount to this, that the decision of the_local tribunal is, for all practical purposes, final. I think, therefore, there cannot be too much attention paid to these tribunals to make sure that they shall be composed of gentlemen in whose decisions every person will have absolute confidence.


Arthur Meighen: This section, of course, stands, so I will not further discuss the matter of having judges act on local tribunals. That subject we shall consider along with the section when we come into committee again. I do not understand my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell) in regard to appeals. There is the freest possible appeal from the local tribunal to the appeal tribunal. Any person at all who goes before a local tribunal may, if he is dissatisfied with the finding of that tribunal, go to the appeal tribunal. All he has to do is to send his notice of appeal to the registrar, and then the registrar alfti-cates the appeal. If the person is quite satisfied, but the representative of the military authorities is not, the latter may freely appeal. Those are two classes of appeals. The third class is where the tribunal itself fails to agree and states the facts for the decision of the appeal tribunal. All those classes of appeal come before the appeal tribunal, so that the importance is not so great as if there were not an appeal tribunal composed of no one but a judge. We have a final judicial determination of every case where there is dispute, no matter whether we have laymen on the first local tribunal or not.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: If a judge is inclined to be fair, would not his fair-mindedness guide him to a certain extent in appointing his tribunal?


Arthur Meighen: I think a judge who travels a county is, in the best position of any person to name a proper man.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: What I meant to say was: If he was fair in his decisions, would not he

then think it incumbent upon. him to be fair in his appointments?


Arthur Meighen: Oh, yes.
On section 6, subsections 4 and 5-Appointments by minister if local tribunals not formed, and filling of vacancies-penalty for not acting:
(4)	(a) The names and addresses of all persons appointed on a local' tribunal shall, as may be provided by regulations, be communicated to the minister.
(b)	The minister may by telegraph or otherwise appoint one or both members, as the case may be, of any local tribunal, if he has not received, within such period before the tribunal is to sit as may be fixed by regulation, the names and addresses of membeis duly appointed.
(c)	A vacancy occurring shall be filled by the authority who appointed the member vacating, and if not so filled or if communication of same as aforesaid has not been received by the minister within such period as may be fixed by regulation, the minister may fill such vacancy.
(5)	Apy person duly appointed a member of a local tribunal shall, unless relieved in writing by the authority appointing him, perform his duties as such- member, and any person who without reasonable excuse fails so to do shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a penalty not exceeding five hundred dollars.


Charles Marcil: What is the remuneration of those appointed to serve on these tribunals, or is there any remuneration?


Arthur Meighen: The men are appointed until their work is done. As for remuneration, it is not contemplated to give them any. It is believed, in that way, a better class of men will be secured.


Charles Marcil: Their work will be done
when 100,000 men have been raised?


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


Charles Marcil: Will the minister explain what is to be construed legally as " reasonable exouse?" Suppose a man had a conscientious objection; suppose he was convinced that it was not the duty of his country to send men abroad to fight, would that be considered a " reasonable excuse?" A man who does not believe in capital punishment may be relieved from serving on a jury trying a murder case.


Arthur Meighen: I would not like to circumscribe, or to 'attempt to ciroumscribe, *a judge in the discharge of his duty. The matter will be for each judge to decide; but I may say that if I were judge, I would not consider such a plea a reasonable excuse.


George Perry Graham: The word " regulation " is mentioned in section 6 several times.

Does not that make it clear to the Government that the enforcement of this measure depends almost as largely on the regulations as 'on the Act itself, 'and that therefore, we ought to have the regulations? Under present conditions, we are not in a position to know what this measure means. The Government provides a regulation for a certain thing. It depends upon what that regulation is,-what we ought to do with this section.


Arthur Meighen: It was not intended that anything substantial, that is, in the way of principle, should be left for regulation, but the reason this is left for regulation is this. The success of the working out of the measure is to depend in some important degree on the central appeal judge. The matter of how many days' should be allowed 'between the date of the sitting of the tribunals and the date of the appointment is a mere detail. That, and many other details that must be fixed, will be all set out in the proclamation. It may be two days, three days, or four days; something of that kind is what I have in mind myself. But that is a mere detail which would be worked out along with the other details by the person who is himself the final authority-who is, as it were, the apex of the pyramid on whom rests to a great extent the duty of making the Act work successfully. It seems to me a good principle to leave the fixting of these details to him.


George Perry Graham: My hon. friend practically says that each judge will decide what constitutes a legitimate excuse.


Arthur Meighen: A judge acting in his judicial capacity, and not under this Bill at all.


George Perry Graham: Unless there be some statute on which a judge can base his decision will there be uniformity of decision? A judge in one county may decide that such and such a thing is a sufficient excuse, and a judge in the neighbouring county may decide that it is not. There may be many excuses from the men who do not want to go to the front.
There is another point. It surely is as obligatory for the men who ought to serve on these boards to do so, as it is for the eligible men to go to the front, but you are letting them off with the payment of a fine, and sending the other chap to jail. I would make the penalty just as severe for the man who would not act on a board as for the man who wrould not go to the front when called up. In the one case the man is de-

fending his life, and in the other he is simply defending his case.


Arthur Meighen: At all events, I will go so far as to say that we will reserve consideration of sub-clause 5. I did think that a penalty of a $500 fine was somewhat appropriate for failure to act in such a case as this. Still, we are at a crisis, and this is a national duty which these men are called upon to perform, and, speaking for myself, I am disposed to agree with the hon. member (Mr. Graham).


George Perry Graham: He could buy himself off.


Arthur Meighen: But he becomes a
breaker of the law; he. is guilty of an offence.


George Perry Graham: But he can settle with money.


Arthur Meighen: Serious consideration
will be given to that suggestion. With regard to my hon. friend's other suggestion as to uniformity of decision on the part of the judges sitting in their ordinary capacity, as to what would constitute a reasonable excuse, there is no doubt much in what the hon. member has said; but there is no more difficulty in getting uniformity of decision here than there is in any other case. In all applications of law under the criminal code, and in applications of law with regard to offences committed under other statutes, a reasonable excuse will release a man from his liability, and it is for the judge to say what, under all the circumstance's, constitutes a reasonable excuse.


George Perry Graham: In those cases precedents have been established, but there are none here.


Arthur Meighen: That is very true; precedents have been established, and I think in the main they would be applicable to this case.


Rodolphe Lemieux: For instance, the jurors.


Arthur Meighen: For example, the reasonable excuse that constitutes ground for failure to act as juryman would be of very reasonable excuse in this case.
juror as a reasonable excuse. Does my hon. friend contemplate any class of excuse other than what is known as a reasonable excuse in the administration of justice?


Arthur Meighen: I think the suggestion of the hon. member for Rouville (Mr. Lemieux) is quite to the point. A reasonable excuse in this case would he such as would apply in the case of a juror for failure to perform that public service.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Except that the fine is a little higher.


Arthur Meighen: And it may go higher still. The class of excuses would be about the same, and I think the decisions on the point would be very applicable.
On subsection 6-local tribunal to decide on exemptions:
(6)	Each local tribunal shall hear and decide applications for certificates of exemption made to such tribunal as provided in section eleven.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Would the minister take into consideration the expediency of putting in the Bill some of the regulations that are mentioned so very frequently? I dislike seeing everything left open.


Arthur Meighen: I can assure my hon. friend that, so far as I was concerned, I did my best to leave as little as possible to regulation. I am afraid that if we placed in the Bill the fixed period that must intervene between the date of the sitting of a tribunal and the receipt of the name of the nominee we might run into great difficulties in the working out of the Act. These matters are best regulated as we get down to practice and see what the necessities of the case impose. They can also be best attended to when all the other details as to time and so forth are considered together. It might be that the time we fixed might not be workable, and that it should he lengthened or shortened, but if we should fix it in the Bill it would be laid down hard and fast and the Bill might be made unworkable. It is only a detail anyway; there is no difference in principle whether it is one day or five.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Would my hon. friend Mr. PARDEE: Does it not appear to the give a concrete case of what constitutes a Solicitor General that certain rules and reasonable excuse? I cited the case of a regulations ought to be laid down covering juror who might be summoned to act on specific cases? Each tribunal might make the panel during the whole term of the rules of its own. If that were so there might criminal assize. I acted for the Crown be different rules with different tribunals in many years ago, and I know the court the same province. I cannot help thinking used to accept illness in the family of the that in a section of this kind there ought 201



to be something which is absolutely specific and absolutely directory, so that each tribunal may work according to the same ruling.


Arthur Meighen: If the hon. member will look at subsection 3 of section 5 he will see the following:
The Governor in Council may, upon the re-commert|dation of the central appeal judge, make regulations with respect to the establishment, constitution, functions and procedure of the said tribunals, and such regulations may contain provisions for securing uniformity in the application of this Act.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Let me ask the Solicitor General to look at clause 4:
In so far as provision is not otherwise made the procedure of the tribunal shall be such as is determined by the tribunal.
So that, again you leave it, not mandatory or directory, as it should be, but in the hands of the tribunal. There may be one tribunal for a whole province. The Solicitor General said he would make them cover as much territory as possible, which is quite right. On the other hand, there may be two or three tribunals in the province, and each tribunal may have an entirely different set of rules or regulations to work by.


Arthur Meighen: 
Frederick Forsyth Pardee: I am not arguing so much on that point. As the Solicitor General says I can quite understand that if something is left out something may be added. The only thing I am arguing is that different men may have different sets of rules or regulations for different tribunals. Would they be absolutely uniform?


Arthur Meighen: Yes. That is the object of section 3.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: But, reading that in conjunction. with section 4, does it not take you back to the same point?


William Pugsley: 
Arthur Meighen: With all deference to
the hon. member (Mr. Pugsley) I do not think he agrees with the hon. member (Mr. Pardee) at all. He does not bring forward the same point as was brought forward by the hon. member for West Lambton.


William Pugsley: I thought he did; practically the same principle.


Arthur Meighen: The hon. membeT for
West Lambton fear-s the regulations may not be so general and uniform so as to avoid lack of uniformity of procedure in the tribunals. The hon. member for St. John fears that the regulations not being made directly by Parliament might noit be what they should be. I do not want to plead precedent. I only plead on the merits, but the Militia Act of this country is full of just such provisions, in fact it is more replete with them than is this Military 'Service Aet. I can read them here by the dozen, where the Governor in Council may make regulations for carrying the Act into effect, for the organization, discipline, efficiency and good government generally of the militia and for anything requiring to be done generally.


George Perry Graham: That would be done on the recommendation of the minister in

charge of the militia. It would be really a militia regulation.


Arthur Meighen: In this case, in addition to the responsibility of the members of the Government, we have the initial responsibility of the member of the Supreme Court of Canada who himself is the judicial head of this whole structure, so that Parliament is not asked to leave entirely to the Governor in Council the framing of regulations .so important as those. Parliament is asked only to trust to the Governor in Council to bring in such regulations as may be framed by the member of the Supreme Court of Canada.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: Clause 8 says:
The Governor in Council may appoint one of the judges of the Supreme Court of Canada to be the Central Appeal Judge.
That is merely permissible.


Arthur Meighen: The Act would be
meaningless, unless the Governor in Council acted.


Frederick Forsyth Pardee: But, it is merely permissible.


William Pugsley: 
Robert Laird Borden: I think my hon. friend must be guilty of not having read the Militia Act very carefully. The power conferred upon the Governor in Council by the Militia Act is infinitely greater than that proposed to be conferred by this Bill. The idea of naming a judge was to remove the exercise of power from the Government and thus to avoid any suspicion of partisanship and to restrict the Government to such regulations in the respect mentioned as would be recommended by the central appeal judge. It could not be said that the Government were enacting regulations on their own initiative, but solely on the recommendation of an absolutely independent and impartial authority. Look at section 144 of the Militia Act and see the power that is conferred by that section:
The Governor In Council may make regulations tor carrying this Act into effect, for the organization, discipline, efficiency and good government generally of the militia, and for anything requiring to be done in connection with the military defence of Canada.
You cannot imagine anything wider than the powers that .are vested in the Governor in Council under this section. Anything that is proposed in this Bill is infinitely short of that and moreover we have restricted the power of the Government in so far as this particular matter is concerned by requiring that the Governor in Council shall act only upon the recommendation of an independent judge, a man of whose impartiality and good faith there could not be the slightest possible suspicion.


Wilfrid Laurier: Do I understand that the recommendation of the central appeal judge will be accepted by the Government as recommended? Do they reserve to themselves the power of supervision?


Robert Laird Borden: We do reserve the power of supervision but it comes to us as a recommendation from the judge and we cannot pass it unless he has recommended it.


Wilfrid Laurier: The judge makes the recommendation and that recommendation may be accepted or not accepted by the Government. The regulations may be amended. I do not know how it is in the other provinces but in Quebec the rules of practice made by the judges are not subject to revision; they are a law unto themselves. If the central appeal judge were empowered to make rules that were binding, that could not be revised, then, I could understand the argument of my right hon. friend; but that is not the Bill. The Bill says that the judge can make recommenda-

tions to the Governor in Council but the Bill does not say that he must accept those regulations.


Robert Laird Borden: Does my right hon. friend think it will be better to vest the power in the judge alone?


Wilfrid Laurier: Certainly; in so far as politics are eliminated, there is no reason why the judge should not have the power. I cannot see why the rules should not be made by the judge rather than by action of the Governor in Council.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The difficulty is that the Governor in Council is not bound to take the suggestions of the central appeal judge except in one case, and that is only in fixing the conditions of the appeal from the appeal tribunal to the central appeal judge. There are many other cases in which the Governor in Council may make rules and regulations without reference to the judge.


Arthur Meighen: See paragraph 3 of section 5.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes, that does give him further power:
The Governor in Council may, upon the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge, make regulations with respect to the establishment, constitution, functions and procedure of the said tribunals and such regulations may contain provisions for securing uniformity in the application of this Act.
Then, by section 10, the Governor in Council may make regulations on the recommendation of the central appeal judge as to the method of appeal.


Arthur Meighen: I think there are other paragraphs.


Robert Laird Borden: I did not attempt to claim that it was only upon the recommendation of the central appeal judge that the Governor in Council may make regulations. I was speaking of the matter immediately under discussion.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Then, there are many cases in which the Governor in Council may make regulations entirely without reference to the central appeal judge?


Robert Laird Borden: Yes.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Reverting to paragraph (b) of section 6:
The minister may by telegraph or otherwise appoint one or both members, as the case may be, of any local tribunal.

Would it not be better for the minister, before making the appointment, to get the advice of that board?


Arthur Meighen: Of the central appeal judge?


Rodolphe Lemieux: No, the board.


Arthur Meighen: There would not be any board until the appointments were made.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: The board appointed by the House.


Rodolphe Lemieux: The hoard. I wish to
ask my hon. friend, before the clause is carried, if he will further consider the question of appointing judges of the high or low courts to these local tribunals?


Arthur Meighen: That is reserved.


Charles Marcil: I do not see any provision in this Bill for the use of the French and English languages in these local tribunals. Is there any provision of that kind?


Arthur Meighen: That would follow as a matter of course. iSubclause 2 of section 12 provides fpr the publication of all regulations and proclamations. It would seem that there possibly could not be any doubt about that because the object is to have them read.


Charles Marcil: I mean the procedure before the court. I saw a newspaper paragraph last year stating that the Manitoba judges had denied the use of French in the courts of that province. I would like to have it made certain in this case that French could be used. Of course, it ia an official language in federal courts such as the Supreme and Exchequer Courts.


Arthur Meighen: There is no question
that the language can be used before these tribunals.


Charles Marcil: I want to make sure that it can be.


Arthur Meighen: I do not know why it
should be stated because it would seem to be clearly permissible without stating it. In the first place the tribunal can take evidence .in any way it desires. Certainly, the tribunal, where there is a French population, ought to be able to use French because otherwise they could not do their work.


Charles Marcil: I think there should be
no hesitation, about making it plain that French can be used 'before these tribunals.


Arthur Meighen: There is no hesitation.


Charles Marcil: Then why not put it in?


Arthur Meighen: It can be covered later on by regulations if there is any reason why it should be. It is the object of the tribunals to get the evidence and they could not get it otherwise.


Charles Marcil: W.ould it not be possible to put in two lines and say that the proceedings under this Act may be conducted either in French or English?


Arthur Meighen: In any of the courts of Canada a man can only give evidence in the language he speaks. Evidence may be given in other languages besides French and English.


Charles Joseph Doherty: 
Charles Marcil: These local tribunals may not be as well versed in the law as is the minister.


Charles Joseph Doherty: It will require the same knowledge of the law to understand it in the British North America Act as in this Act. It would be a matter of knowing that under the law they had to do it, and there ought not to be any great difficulty in conveying that information to them.


George Perry Graham: It should be made clear
that any one wishing to. be heard in French before this tribunal should be enabled to do so.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: That would be under
section 133 of the British North America Act. If these courts are federal courts they will come under the exact wording of section 133, and therefore the use of the French language must follow as a matter of course.


John Howard Sinclair: In- the United States
they have provided that military officers shall be disqualified from acting on the local tribunals. The theory is that they sometimes have so much zeal in regard to
military affairs that they may not take an unbiased view of the cases before them.
Subsection, agreed to.	>
On section 7.
7. The Chief Justice of the court of last resort in each province, or in case of his absence, or failure to act, then, a judge of that court designated by tire minister, shall establish for such province a sufficient number of Appeal Tribunals, and shall assign to each such tribunal one judge of any court of such province, and shall distribute among such tribunals all appeals from, and cases stated under subsection two of section ten, by local tribunals of which the. registrar has notice and such appeal tribunals shall severally hear and decide the same.


George Perry Graham: I am in favour of the coordination of all the strength of the nation, to win this war, and I would not have any clause in this, Bill saying that even a Chief justice eould fail to act, even if he did not want to. If he was in good health I would see that he was not absent, and if he was present I would see that he acted- We are passing' a compulsory measure, compulsory for the men who have to risk their lives, and I would, not leave it optional to any man, even as high as a Chief Justice, to say whether he would act or not. I would make it part of his duty and make it compulsory for him to act.


Wilfrid Laurier: Section 7 is a very vague statement. Are these appeals to be established by the Chief Justices and not by this Parliament? Are the tribunals to he composed of one, two, or three men? The Solicitor General this afternoon intimated that he supposed these appeal tribunals could really hold new trials, that they were not simply courts of appeal. From reading the Bill, I understand that the court of appeal was to revise the decision of the local tribunal. I do not object to the view of the Solicitor General that new witnesses could be heard. But it seems to me that this section should define clearly the character, composition, and jurisdiction of the court.


Arthur Meighen: It defines its jurisdiction and its composition. It does not say how many tribunals shall be established in any province. It says that the Chief Justice shall assign to each tribunal one judge of any court, and shall distribute among such tribunals all appeals, etc. That establishes the jurisdiction and the power. The only thing that is not definitely fixed is the number of tribunals, and that could not be fixed until we knew the nuimber of appeals. We assign to each tribunal one judge of any

court; the number of members of the tribunal is fixed, .and the jurisdiction and powers are fixed. As soon as the registrar gets all of the appeals collected and the data for the appeals, he allocates those appeals geographically for the province, 9 p.m. and then the Chief Justice of the province, who will have all of that information, will assign a judge of any court to try these appeals. The judge so appointed can not onljr try appeals in the strict sense of the word, 'but can also hear new evidence. It would be unwise to prevent him from hearing new evidence for the reason, among others, that it may not be found necessary to take down all of the evidence verbatim at summary trials.
As to the point raised by the hon. gentleman from Renfrew, I have absolute confidence that there is no possibility of any chief justice in Canada failing to perform his duty, unless some disability prevents his acting. It is impossible to conceive of the chief justice of a province of Canada failing to perform his duty, and it is a duty of the same character as those he is performing weekly in the discharge of the duties of his office. In the province of Manitoba, the number of sittings of assize is fixed by the judges themselves, according to public necessity. The same character of duty is assigned to the chief justice here. I cannot conceive that any one would fail to discharge his duty. If I thought that were possible I see no reason why provision should not be made for it.


George Perry Graham: I do not want to say anything about the members of the Bench, because I have the greatest respect for them, but there are times when they consider their convenience is almost superior to the convenience of the public. I have seen this feature in cases in which I have been interested. The fishing might be particularly good at a certain time of the year when this Act ought to be put into operation, and they might delegate this work to some person else as an ordinary duty, so as not to interfere with other arrangements. I am not saying it disparagingly, but if there is a loophole left for that, we might have the chief justice doing the work of some other judge, who might do this work just as well. My viewpoint is that this, being a compulsory measure, should not be left to the option of any judge, whether he is chief justice or not. The law should say that he should act, and that it was part of his duty to act. It is a time for sacrifice for all of us, and, as the Solicitor General says, the chief
[Hr. Meighen.]
justice would not shrink from the duty, except under some circumstances, where he might think the duties to be performed would be performed just as well if relegated to some other member of the bench. I should say that the chief justice ought to act. Some of our chief justices have been very pronounced in saying that a conscription measure ought to be passed, to make men go to the front. I would make it apply to all these men in favour of conscription.


Charles Joseph Doherty: It is imperative.


George Perry Graham: Except in .eases of " failure to act."


Charles Joseph Doherty: 
George Perry Graham: 
Charles Joseph Doherty: That is all that can be said of any of the judges or chief justices. Of course, in case of failure of a judge to perform his duty he may be impeached. In addition to that, there is a provision in the Criminal Code under which a man who refuses to perform an obligation imposed upon him by statute is liable to be prosecuted before the courts, if necessary.


George Perry Graham: But he will not be.


Charles Joseph Doherty: If we inserted such a provision here, would it be more likely that he would be?


George Perry Graham: In regard to the other tribunals, if a man fails to act, unless for some good reason, he can be fined a sum not exceeding $500, and the Solicitor General is considering the advisability of making the penalty more severe. But with respect to the chief justice we hesitate to say anything, except that we provide a remedy if he does not act. He is relieved, and the minister appoints another judge to take his place. I cannot get away from the fact-and I think none of us can-that this is not the ordinary Criminal Code or Judicature Act, or whatever you wish to call it; it is a compulsory measure.


Hugh Boulton Morphy: Conscription of men.


George Perry Graham: Every man who is asked to perform any duty under this Act ought to be compelled to perform that duty. I would make no distinction between the case of the chief justice and men assigned to any other tribunal. I would make it read "in case of failure to act from illness," or something of that kind, but not broader than that. The ordinary person reading the Act will say, "Well, when it came to the chief justice, they did not apply the rule to him that they have to all other men supposed to be engaged in this great struggle." Nobody ought to be excused, according to my judgment.


Charles Joseph Doherty: There is a difference
between the members of the ordinary tribunals under this Act and the chief justice. The obligation on the others would only be created by this statute. That office is created and the obligation is created to accept it, and then you make a penalty for this new state of affairs that never existed before, but youT chief justice is an officer bound to perform all the duties imposed upon him in his
quality of chief justice, and liable to certain consequences for failure. You are imposing an additional duty on him, and all the consequences of failure to perform any duty attaches to him.


Wilfrid Laurier: You would
impeach him?	.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I would not say what we wpuld do.


Wilfrid Laurier: With reference to the provision about the court of appeal. I understand the court of appeal is to be composed of only one judge, to be appointed by the chief justice.


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


Wilfrid Laurier: And he is to have jurisdiction to try the case?


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


Rodolphe Lemieux: One feature which might defeat the object of the Bill is the multiplicity of appeals. We have first, if I understand well, the Ipeal tribunal, then the appeal tribunal, then the central judge. I stated the other day, repeating what my hon. friend from Pictou (Mr. Macdonald) said in his address to the House, that there was, in that multiplicity of appeals, a chance for a rich man who wished to escape as much as possible the obligation, which the poor man had not. I do not raise the issue for-the pleasure of raising it, or to create a prejudice in the minds of the public.
But I say that unless it is made very clear that the deposit which is ordinarily required for the lodging of an appeal will not be exacted in either case and that the- cost of those proceedings will be reduced to a minimum, there will exist that prejudice in the minds of the people. If the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General would make those two points very clear the people would be impressed with the idea that rich and poor alike can, if they have a just case, not only appear before the local tribunal, but go to the appeal court and the Central Appeal Judge. There is a subsection in the Bill which enacts that the regulation for the setting in motion of those appeals will be prepared by the Governor in Council.


Arthur Meighen: Will toe approved toy the Governor in Council.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Clause (b) of subsection 3 of section 10 says:
The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge, may-make regulations governing the right to and fixing the conditions of appeal from an appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge, provided


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any person authorized by the Minister of Militia and Defence may as of right enter and prosecute such appeal.
Before this Bill is passed, the Governor in Council, that is to say, the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General, ought to provide the tribunals referred to in that clause, so that the public may know that there will be no undue favouritism on behalf of a certain class ..of the community as against another, so that the people of this country, rich and poor alike, will be on a footing of equality. The Minister of Justice, who has had long experience as a judge, knows that it is very easy to create an injustice by exacting from a poor litigant a large deposit to bring his case to appeal. In Montreal, where my hon. friend has practised law, and where he has administered law for so many years, there are classical cases of rank injustice where the litigants had not the means to go to the appeal court. I do not suppose the cost will foe high, but we live in a time when the cost of living is high, and when the people have not too much ready money. This, is not an ordinary piece of legislation.
The usual administration of justice has to look after only a few litigants, but here you have the whole nation which is liable to be called out, brought, so to speak, automatically before those courts. In the name of common sense and justice, I appeal to the Minister of Justice and the Solicitor General to frame, before this Bill is passed, regulations which will show clearly to the people that there will he no high cost for the setting of the machinery in motion, and that the deposit to lodge the appeal will be practically nil.
Arthur Meighen: I can set my hon. friend's mind at rest on both points immediately before any regulations are made. There will be no deposit at all required for appeals, and such regulations as provide days, times, procedure, etc., will be such as to reduce to the very minimum, if not entirely to eliminate, the necessity of costs. The object of the regulations will be to make the appeal just as acceptable and just as applicable to the poor as to the rich.


Charles Marcil: Will the appellant have to forward his case and the evidence to Ottawa, or will he have to go there himself?


Arthur Meighen: The first appeal is to the appeal judge, and the appellant can take new evidence to that judge or he can give his evidence over again. There are 
no strict rules as to that, and that judge will be almost as convenient to him as the local tribunal. It is hoped, at least, that there will be no necessity of a man going very far to an appeal judge. No fewer appeal tribunals could possibly be established than three. He who objects to three tribunals has not thought the matter out or does not weigh his words at all. It is hoped that the first court of appeal will weed out the number of appeals to a relatively small number. It is inconceivable that any one central tribunal at one time could hear all the appeals that will be made inasmuch as there is the utmost freedom of appeals. One court would never get through all the work. Consequently, there has to be an intermediary court, and no one could suggest anything else that would properly handle the appeals and at the same time that would be practicable in its working. There are two appeals in England and two in New Zealand.


Rodolphe Lemieux: How many are there in the United States?


Arthur Meighen: I do not know. The regulations on this point have not yet been received. The appeals could not be simpler than they are here, and all that is left to the regulations is as to the right to appeal and the conditions of appeal. We had not in mind financial conditions, but simply the rules to be followed which will be of a very general and simple character to enable each appeal to be prosecuted with the least possible expense and to be disposed of as expeditiously as possible.


Mr. ROSS:: Does not section 7 lay itself open to this criticism? It says:
The Chief Justice of the court of la*t resort in each province .	.	. shall assign to each,
such tribunal one judge of any court of such province.
That might be a county court judge. Might not this situation arise? The local tribunal might consist of a county court judge and a layman, who would give their decision in regard to a man's exemption. There would be an appeal from their decision. Under section 7, might not the Chief Justice appoint a county court judge of another county to hear an appeal from a judge of the court of the same jurisdiction and a layman? That would be a rather ridiculous situation. Should not there be in the section something to state that in case of an appeal from a local tribunal consisting of a county court judge and a layman, the appeal should be

to a judge of 'a higher court? There is no provision except that the Chief Justice shall distribute the appeals. A county court judge of Oxford county might set aside the decision made by a county court judge of Middlesex and a layman. We do not think the Oxford county court judges are more capable than those of Middlesex.


Arthur Meighen: 
James Hamilton Ross: Why not say in the Act that he shall do that?


Arthur Meighen: If we had provided in
*the Bill that wherever a county court judge -site, even if on only one case, a judge of the King's Bench must be sent to review it, we should be imposing very great inconvenience for very small cause. It seems to jne that the way in which the Chief Justice will naturally get over the difficulty will be by assigning these cases to be tried [DOT]by a judge in a near-by place. He knows the amenities of the Bench; he understands the feelings of judges as to being tried by their equals, and he, of all men, can be trusted to have regard to those considerations in the disposition of judges in courts of appeal. I do not think such cases are likely to arise at all, although they are possible under a strict reading of the Bill, I do not think in the first place that the Act need be worked to avoid that condition, because I think the judge will avoid it, and in the second place, I do not see how we could very well word the Bill so as to avoid it.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Did I understand the
Solicitor General to say that the appeal court will consist of only one judge?


Arthur Meighen: Yes.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: That would be an argument against appointing judges on the local tribunal. It would be much cheaper to appoint a county court judge to hear the appeals.


Arthur Meighen: lit is an argument, I
think, against compelling judges to- -act on the local tribunal.


George Perry Graham: I cannot understand why the Solicitor General does not even want to inconvenience a judge of the King a Bench, This Act is to compel men to risk their lives, but the Solicitor General wall not use compulsion on a chief justice. He hesitates -even to compel a county court judge, and he does not want to inconvenience-that is the wordheused-ia member of the King's Bench. I-jvould not look at it in that light. I would make this a compulsory measure, and if it was necessary I would send a member of the higher courts anywhere, however much it inconvenienced him. I would make this measure compulsory on every person it affects.


Arthur Meighen: It is not regard for -the judges so much as regard for th-e public that governs. Judges are fairly busy, or are supposed to be. In the province of Saskatchewan, for instance, they are not merely busy but -actually congested -for reasons that I need not expatiate upon here. Litigation is very much in -arrears; there has been a congestion there for two years. It is not in the public interest that for an insufficient cause one of these judges should be compelled to lose days -and -perhaps weeks doing something that could very eon-vi-ently be done by a -county -court judge on the spo-t. The judges are, of course, compelled to -act when they are needed, but we are -not coimpelling the -chief justice of -a province to appoint one judge instead of another, when the other might be m-u-ch more convenient to the locality; that is tall. The compulsion is on the chief justice just as it is on every one else, and the compulsion- is on the appeal judge when

he As appointed by the chief justice. The penalty lies in the law as it stands to-day, and a judge who refuses to act as liable to a much more severe penalty than -any one As liable to who is nominated and fails to -act on a local tribunal. The penalty of $500 is very small compared with what a judge of the court is liable to if he fails to do his duty according to the statute.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: You would force the appeal judge to go to the district to hear these cases, and not make the applicants go to him?


Arthur Meighen: He would go wherever he was sent. The appointment will be fixed conveniently to the residence of the appellants.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: You will see that that is carried out?


Arthur Meighen: Oh, yes.


Mr.   BOSS@: I cannot follow the argument of the Solicitor General. He is considering the convenience of the public entirely, he says, but his whole argument tends to convince me that he is serving the convenience of the judges. The judges in this country are paid well in proportion to the amount of work they have to do, and I do not think they are overworked. They may do their duties well; I am not saying anything about that, but here we are dealing with the liberty of the subject, the thing most dear to all men. The Solicitor General should provide in the Bill that in case a county court judge is a member of a local tribunal, appeals from that tribunal shall he heard either by two county court judges or by a Superior Court judge, no matter how much it inconveniences them. This is a very important measure; we are at war; we are calling out men and sending them to fight and die in foreign lands, and at a time like this the convenience of a chief justice or two county court judges should not be considered. The Solicitor General must admit that we have a great many more county court judges in the province of Ontario than are necessary to do the work.
I think other provinces are in the same position. I repeat that if the Solicitor General is unwilling to inconvenience a Superior Court judge, the appeals should be heard by two county court judges.


Arthur Meighen: The suggestion of having two judges looks to me as possibly being practical. I will see if it can be arranged for.

Mr. J. A. DESCARRIE-S (Jacques-Cartier) (translation): Mr. Chairman, I wish to make a point clearer which, in my opinion, is of the greatest importance: I refer to the appeal taken to the appeal tribunal and then to the central appeal judge from the judgment which will be given by the first tribunal. In the province of Quebec, when an appeal is taken from a lower court to a higher court, I do not know that new witnesses have to be heard. Now I think it is the desire of this honourable House that in such appeals new evidence should be heard. Therefore, if it is not specifically stated in this Act that new evidence may be heard, the presiding appeal judge will practically make rules of practice under which it would no longer be possible to adduce new witnesses.
Hon. Mr. -DOHERTY (translation): My answer to the hon. gentleman is that it is not the general rule, on an appeal, to hear new evidence. In criminal matters, the judge who sits in appeal over a ca.se, holds a new trial and the appeals will be Scon-ducted in that manner. It will be within the power of the judge to frame regulations as to appeals under this legislation. The matter will be left to the initiative of the central appeal judge and the regulations concerning that tribunal shall emanate from the Governor General in Council.


Mr. DESCARRIES (translation):: Should this not he put in the Act? When the law is sanctioned and enforced and (difficulties arise, it will be too late to provide a remedy, whereas such difficulties could easily be obviated now. Why do you not say in this legislation that, in those appeals to the first appeal judge or to the central appeal judge, the appellant will have the right of producing new evidence?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I do not see any objection to that, but neither do I see the necessity for it, as that point is governed by the regulations which are to be made by the Governor in -Council on the recommendation of the central appeal judge, and it seems to me that the hon. gentleman could accept our -assurance that those regulations will provide for such cases as he refers to; the more so as it would not be practicable to apply to such appeals, under that Act, rules of procedure applying to civil cases, in which a record is made and prepared before the judge of the lower court.	The
fact must not be lost sight of that proceedings before tribunals of first resort are summary proceedings, and I have but little doubt that were it left to the

decision of the appeal judge, seeing the great similarity of the proceedings "with the proceedings in appeals in criminal matters -the judge would decide that it is absolutely necessary for him to hear new evidence, as no docket is prepared in writing which could be handed over to him. It seems to me that the hon. gentleman could accept the assurance that this will be made absolutely clear by the regulations and that he will have in those regulations which most control the procedure, exactly what he desires.


Wilfrid Laurier: My hon. friend was not here this afternoon, when this matter came under review, and if he looks at section 5, he will find that not only the appeal tribunal has the right to hear the evidence, but the three tribunals.
Here is the English version:
5. (1) There shall he established in the manner hereinafter set out the following tribunals:-
(a)	Local Tribunals;
(b)	Appeal Tribunals;
(c)	A Central Appeal Judge.
(2) Any tribunal may hear evidence on oath or otherwise as it may deem expedient, and for the performance of its duties shall have all the powers vested in a Commissioner under Part I of the Inquiries Act.


Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:: I would like to leave with the Solicitor General for later consideration the suggestion of empowering appeal tribunals to appoint counsel to represent appellants, these counsels to be paid, of course, by the Government. I make this suggestion largely for the purpose of eliminating any excessive costs, or any costs at all, on the part of appellants.


William Pugsley: Why would my hon. friend limit it to appellants? After a case had been decided by a local tribunal, or by the appeal tribunal, the Minister of Militia might carry it to the central court of appeal at Ottawa, and put the subject to any amount of expense in defending the judgment he has obtained. I think there is a great deal to be said in favour of the suggestion of my hon. friend, but I would not limit to appellants. In every case I would give the subject the right to counsel. Of course, this comes up a little more prominently in section 10, which contains a most extraordinary provision, giving to the Minister of Militia the right to appeal. He may carry a case from the local tribunal up to the central appeal judge. He has the right to appeal, as a matter of course, and he need not give any bond or furnish any security for costs. If the subject has obtained a judgment in the lower court, the
minister may practically ruin a poor man, carrying him from court to court without any possible redress.
I think the suggestion of my hon. friend from Halifax (Mr. A. K. Maclean) is a very excellent one. If there is a provision for the benefit of the sulbject, whether he is an appellant ox a respondent-


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Of course, I mean that.


Mr. McKENZIE:: I would like to get some information from the Solicitor General as to when this right of appeal begins, and what t'he appeal is from. It is not very clear from what the first appeal is taken. As I understand subsection 2 of section 4, after a certain proclamation is promulgated everybody in a certain class becomes subject to military law. There is no selection in the body of men called out by that proclamation. There may be hundreds among them who will not pass the medical examination, but they are subject to military law the moment they are called out. Of necessity, there must be some of them who will not find it necessary to appeal, because the medical examiner will turn them down. There must be a certain stage in their condition when they do not know whether the medical examiner will reject them or not. Are they supposed to appeal then to this central tribunal, before the doctor passes judgment upon them, or are they to wait until they are declared medically unfit? I have not been able to understand that very clearly. Perhaps the Solicitor General will make it definite as to when the right to appeal begins in the case of a man who is called out under the proclamation


Arthur Meighen: The right to appeal begins immediately the decision of the local tribunal is obtained.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Whether exemption has been granted, or refused?
Mr, MEIGHEN:	Whether exemption
has been granted or refused. As to medical examinations, the local tribunal may itself grant exemption on the ground of ill health, or infirmity, under subsection E of clause 11. The regulations governing when the local tribunal may do so will be fixed, and the cases contemplated are cases of manifest infirmity or ill health. If the applicant comes before the tribunal and is refused exemption, or if he does not apply for exemption, upon the day fixed in the proclamation he must report, and from then on he is subject to mili-

tary discipline. Immediately on reporting he goes before the medical examiner, in the usual way, and if he is found unfit for service that ends it. His duties, under that call, have (been answered. He may obtain from the local tribunal a conditional exemption, conditional as to time or otherwise, or as to re-examination locally or otherwise. That is the way all those medical difficulties are taken care of.


Arthur Meighen: Clause 7 stands. We
do not ask that the clause shall be passed.
Section 7 allowed to stand.
On .section 8-Central Appeal Judge.
The Governor in Council may appoint one of the judges of the Supreme Court of Canada to he the Central Appeal Judge.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Would it not be just
as well if the word "may" were changed to "shall?"


Arthur Meighen: Just as well .


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I would like to see it
*that way, although I presume there would be no change and that a judge of the' Supreme Court would, be appointed.


Robert Laird Borden: It means the
same thing, but there is no objection to changing it to "shall." I move that the word "may" be changed to "shall." The rule is that where power is conferred upon executive authority, and presumed to be in the public interest, the word "may" is obligatory.


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Motion agreed to.
On section 9-Registrars:
A Registrar for each province may he appointed by the Governor in Council.
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Might it not be desirable to'have the right to appoint more than one registrar in some of the larger provinces such as British Columbia or Ontario?


Arthur Meighen: I do not think there
is need for more than one registrar in a province, and I do not think it is advisable, having regard to uniformity. We want to have every man who appeals send his appeal to the same registrar in each prov-dnce. The duties would be much heavier in some provinces than in others, hut there is provision later on for the appointment of any other officers necessary.


Charles Marcil: Have you provided for
eierks for these local tribunals? fMr. Meighen.]


Arthur Meighen: That is covered by the "regulations" clause, 12, and it is provided that they may be appointed on, the recommendation of the central appeal judge. It is intended to have a representative of the Militia Department and it may be possible that he would act as clerk.
iMr. MARCIL:	Who supervises the expenses of the court?


Arthur Meighen: The Minister of Justice.


William Pugsley: The suggestion to change the word " may " to " shall " in section 8 was acted upon very quickly, but I would suggest to the Prime Minister whether it is ever customary in a statute to use the word " shall " with respect to the Governor in Council or the representative of His Majesty. The word "shall" is entirely inconsistent with all the other sections in which the word " may " is used.


Robert Laird Borden: That is true.


William Pugsley: In section 4 it is said:
The Governor in Council may from time to time by proclamation-


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: This is different. They may never issue a proclamation.


William Pugsley: I have never known the word " shall " to be used in that connection. It may be all right but I do not think it is customary.


Robert Laird Borden: I think probably my hon. friend (Mr. Pugsley) is right. It is in effect what I suggest to my hon. friend from Carleton, but we will let it stand for the present and perhaps we can consider it again.
Section 8 allowed to stand.


Charles Marcil: Regarding the appointment of a registrar in the province of Quebec, there are two important and well defined [DOT] judicial districts in that province, those of Montreal and Quebec. The chief justice of the Montreal district visits the Quebec district and the chief justice of the Quebec district visits the (Montreal district. Perhaps two registrars will be necessary in that province, one at Quebec and one at Montreal.


Robert Laird Borden: I suppose it
would be possible to apppint a deputy to the registrar for one of these districts if it should be found necessary.
Mr. McKENZIE .[DOT] What are the duties of these registrars?

Mr. MEIG-HEN: The principal duties of these registrars are to receive and to allocate appeals geographically throughout the province in order that the chief justice may appoint judges to try those appeals with convenience. .
On section 10-Appeals:
10. (1) Any person aggrieved by the decision of a local tribunal, and any person authorized by the Minister of Militia and Defence, may appeal against any such decision.
(2) If the two members of a local tribunal cannot agree as to any decision to be made by them, they shall forthwith state in writing the case to be decided and cause the statement to be sent to the Registrar for the province in which the tribunal is established.
(3.) (a) Subject to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this subsection there shall be an appeal from any appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge.
(b) The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge may make regulations governing the right to and fixing the conditions of appeal from an appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge, provided any person authorized by the Minister of Militia and Defence may as of right enter and prosecute such appeal.
(4) The Central Appeal Judge shall be the tribunal of last- resort, and the Governor in Council may, on his recommendation, appoint one or more other judges of any superior court to assist the said Central Appeal Judge in the discharge of his duties, and define their powers.


William Pugsley: The first subsection gives to the Minister of Militia the right of appeal. It does seem to me that when a man has applied for exemption on the ground of sickness, infirmity or any of the other grounds which are set forth in the statute, if the Minister of Militia desires to appeal from the decision in the case, it should only be upon terms prescribed by the appeal tribunal. It is hardly right that the Minister of Militia, having authority to employ counsel and having the money of the country behind him, should put the subject, who might be very poor-perhaps utterly unable to employ counsel, and who might be affected very grievously by the cost of the proceedings that he would have to take to defend the judgment which he has obtained from the local tribunal-to the trouble and expense of defending a proceeding of this kind. It would be unfair that as a matter of right the Minister of Militia, without any conditions, any obligation as to cost if he fails, should have the right to enter an appeal. This right is still more objectionable when we come to paragraph (b) because (b) provides that the central appeal judge may make regulations governing the right of the subject to appeal. The Solicitor General stated that it was only
intended to fix the conditions of appeal, but it is his duty to make regulations limiting the right of appeal as well as fixing the conditions. It is his duty to
-make regulations governing the right to and fixing the conditions of appeal from an appeal tribunal to the central appeal judge, provided any person authorized by the Minister of Mi-lita and Defence may as of right enter and prosecute such appeal.
Why should there be a greater privilege extended to the Minister of Militia to carry the appeals from one court to another than is extended to the subjects who have obtained judgments in the first instance from the local tribunal? It does seem to me that it ought to be entirely the other way. The subject ought to have the right of appeal but if the Minister of Militia is not satisfied with the judgment of the local tribunal he ought to be compelled to enter into a certain obligation; at all events, to save the subject harmless of the costs incurred by reason of his being compelled to go from court to court until finally the Minister of Militia might carry him before a judge of the Supreme Court in Ottawa and might involve a young man in expense and hardship that would be almost ruinous to him.


Arthur Meighen: On this subclause 1 which we are at present discussing, the right of appeal is a free right of appeal on the part of both from the local tribunal. There is no restraint. But, under subclause (c) of section 12 it is provided that:
The Governor in Council may make regula-. tion	under which application for certificates may be made, deferred applications received, appeals entered and heard and rehearings had.
That is to say, conditions might be fixed, not conditions that would become a restraint, not conditions that could not be filled by either ithe individual applicant or the Militia Department. There might be conditions that could be easily complied with. It was felt that the central appeal judge might well make -such regulations as would, in isome way, limit appeals from that appeal tribunal to the central appeal jndge. But it would be impossible to limit the appeals from the Militia Department, because in no other way could we secure that uniformity of application throughout the Dominion that is so desirable. My hon. friend isays there should be even a freer right of appeal from that tribunal to the central appeal judge on -the part of the individual than on the part of the department. At the opening of tlhe discussion this afternoon, my bon. friend from

Renfrew (Mr. Graham) made some reference to oiur taking (advantage of the experience of (Great Britain in this regard. It is the experience in Great Britain that we have Ihad regard to* here. The experience there of the permission to appeal equally on the part of both to the central tribunal in London proved very disadvantageous in the obtaining of the necessary men under the Act. It caused great delay in many oases. So we have deemed it wise to enable the (central appeal judge to make such regulations 'as, while they are quite fair and -will cover all necessary and proper oases, will not allow an unrestricted right of .appeal to every one, which would practically suggest and would perhaps break the whole machinery. There is no hardship involved. Every man has the right to appeal to the judge of a court of ihis own province, and he must be aggrieved by a judge of that court before he can complain.


William Pugsley: The Solicitor General
states that the regulations governing appeals are to be made by the .central appeal judge.


Arthur Meighen: Governing the right to appeal from the (appeal tribunal.


William Pugsley: That would be so if it depended entirely upon section 10. But by subsection (c) of section 12, the Governor in Council is allowed to make regulations. The two provisions seem to be inconsistent.


Arthur Meighen: What is contemplated in section 12 is the entering of appeals, meaning the initiation of the appeal in the first place. It may be well to consider, when we are dealing with section 12, whether that should not also be among the regulations to be first initiated and recommended by the central appeal judge.


William Pugsley: The Solicitor General says that it is desirable to discourage appeals.


Arthur Meighen: Not quite.


William Pugsley: Well the experience in England has been that appeals have caused delay.


Arthur Meighen: That is from the appeal judges.


William Pugsley: It seems to me that unless we know the nature of the conditions of appeal that would be fixed by the Governor in Council, we can hardly tell whether it is going to remedy the evil or

not. It may be that the condition of giving a bond as security for costs would operate very advantageously to the wealthy man, who could easily furnish 10 p.m. his bond or security for costs, and very disadvantageous^ to the poor boy who wished to carry his case to appeal. We have no intimation what those conditions are to be. The Solicitor General has not answered the argument that the Minister of Militia should have no more right to carry the subject from court to court without any obligation to give security for costs, or making any provision for giving the subject the advantage of counsel, than the subject would have to carry his appeal from court to court. Take the case of a young man who has made application for exemption. He gets a judgment from the local tribunal in his favour. The Minister of Militia, without giving any security, without any condition whatever being fixed, may appeal from that judgment to the appeal tribunal. If he gets a judgment from the appeal tribunal overturning the judgment of the local tribunal, then you are making provision under which the Governor in Council, upon the recommendation of the central appeal judge, can prevent that young man from appealing to have the judgment of the local tribunal restored. You are going to take away from him that right, while on the other hand, after the subject has got judgment of two courts in his favour, you allow the Minister of Militia to carry him off to the central appeal court without providing any security for costs, and without any conditions in respect to the appeal. It seems to me that is imposing an unreasonable hardship upon the subject. If there are to be any conditions attached to the appeal, those conditions ought to apply equally to the Minister of Militia and to the subject; indeed, I think they ought to apply much more strictly to the minister than to the subject.


Arthur Meighen: There would be no object in having security for costs put up by the Minister of Militia.


William Pugsley: Make him liable for costs.


Arthur Meighen: It is quite within the power of the central appeal judge to provide by regulation that in appropriate cases, looking to the means of the applicant, compensation can he granted to any one who, in his judgment, is unnecessarily brought before the central appeal judge.

It is quite within his power, under clause (b), subsection 3; section 10. I think that is quite adequate. At all events, the experience of Great Britain shows that unless the right of appeal is given the Militia Department to the central appeal judge, this measure will be in great danger of failing of its primary object.	_


Wilfrid Laurier: I submit there is no fairness at all in that clause. There are two paddies to the suit, the conscript and the Minister of Militia. Each has the right of appeal. If the minister is given the right of appeal he should be on a parity with the conscript, and should be subject to all the rules. If the minister is exempt from furnishing bonds, or giving security of any kind, the conscript should not be placed in a worse position. The rule should apply to both; there should be no exception. An appeal is given from the local tribunal to the appeal tribunal and the party has simply to say: "I appeal." When you come to an appeal from the appeal tribunal to the central judge, conditions are imposed upon the conscript, but not upon the Militia Department. I do not know what the conditions will be. It is provided in subsection 3 of section 10 that regulations can be made limiting the right to appeal. One condition may be the furnishing of a bond or making a deposit, or there may be a limit of time. But the conditions, whatever they are, will have to be performed by the conscript, whereas the Minister of Militia will be free from all those formalities, and can simply walk into court and say: " I appeal." That is not fair at all. They should be on an absolute parity in both cases, and I do not see how my hon. friend can justify the greater restriction upon one than upon the other.


Arthur Meighen: The hon. gentleman is not quite correct in saving that there can be no conditions places upon the Minister of Militia in reference to an appeal.


Wilfrid Laurier: The section says so.


Arthur Meighen: No. *


Wilfrid Laurier: How do you construe the regulations?


Arthur Meighen: The regulations may provide conditions, but they must not be such as to prevent the absolute right of appeal.


Wilfrid Laurier: Paragraph
(b) of subsection 3 of section 10 reads:
The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge may make regulations governing the right to and fixing the conditions of appeal from an appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge, provided any person authorized by the Minister of Militia and Defence njay as of right enter and prosecute such appeal.
That gives the Minister of Militia the right to enter and prosecute an appeal, without conditions.


Arthur Meighen: I can only give my interpretation. I cannot say it is worth any more than the interpretation of any one else. My interpretation is that conditions may be imposed in reference to carrying on an appeal. Those conditions may even be applicable to the Militia Department, but there must not be such conditions that will put it in the power of any one to prevent the Militia Department prosecuting the appeal. They may compel the Militia Department to fulfil certain conditions, or they may compel them to provide for the witness fees of the other side, but they cannot prevent them from prosecuting the appeal, whereas these regulations may provide a condition, applicable to the individual, that he shall be prevented from prosecuting an appeal, except with the consent of the appeal judge. Such a condition, under this clause, could not be applicable to the Militia Department. Condition might be made -which should be performed by the Department of Militia, but not a condition which would prevent the Minister of Militia, in any case, going to the Central Appeal Judge. They cannot do anything that puts it in the power of any one to prevent him appealing, but any other condition would be quite a fitting obligation.
Mr. PUGS.LEY: They can take away the right of the public to appeal?


Arthur Meighen: They can.


William Pugsley: That is putting him in a difficult position.


Arthur Meighen: I do not contend they are in the same position, and I only say, in defence cf that, that if we are to have regard to the working out of the British Act at all, and if we are sincere in our desire to get these men, the working out of the British Act has shown that it will not do to have the parties on a parity with regard to appeals to (the final court-that there must be as much freedom of appeal on the part of the Militia Department as there was in Great Britain, which will enable them to go to the final court, thus

assuring the uniformity of application everywhere, and securing the men. I do not contend that they are on a parity, but I say it is necessary that the free right of appeal should exist on the one hand, and I do not think it is necessary on the other.


Wilfrid Laurier: That is where we disagree. I do not know what the regulations may he, but I imagine that perhaps it might not be contemplated that the right of appeal from the appeal judge should exist as a matter of right. That is the party may be compelled to present a petition to a judge, making a prima facie case, giving some reasons why the appeal should be allowed. I can conceive of such regulations being made, but no further than that. In the case of the conscript, when he comes into court, they say to him, "You want to appeal? On what ground?" He may say, "I want to have a new witness," and he may be allowed to appeal upon certain conditions. But, on the other hand, the Minister of Justice walks in, without giving any reason at all, and says to the court, "I appeal this case, I have no reason, to give;" -simply "I appeal." Notwithstanding what my hon. friend may say as to the necessity and advisability of administering this Act so as to get recruits, it is repulsive to one's sense of justice that one side should have more privileges than the other. All classes should be on a parity, and if one side hag to fulfil conditions in order that he may be allowed to appeal, the other side should be placed in the same position. It seems to me, as the provision stands, it is against the rules of fairness, equity and justice.


Arthur Meighen: The two are not on a parity, in the first place. The country is acting for everybody. The individual is acting for himself; and, in the next place, conditions might be imposed which would compensate the individual for the harassment of an unnecessary appeal, such as the provision that the conscript's expenses should be paid by the Crown. You could not, on the other hand, impose similar conditions on the public, because it would be immediately said, "You are making it possible for the rich man to appeal to the central judge, but you are making it impossible for the poor man." In a word, it is impossible to impose the same conditions on the individual as you may impose on the Militia Department. Consequently, as the conditions cannot be the same, the rights cannot be the same, because the individual is acting purely for himself. On the other hand, the Militia Department is

acting for the whole countrj, and they do not start out on a parity.


Wilfrid Laurier: 
Wilfrid Laurier: I have no objection to that. On the contrary, I am quite disposed to agree with my right hon. friend that these appeals should be as simple as possible, devoid of formality, going direct to the question to be decided and dispensing with law if possible. But in the Bill as it stands, the firet appeal is without any formality at all; it is. of the character represented by my right hon. friend. The conscript walks in before the judge and says:

"I appeal." He may say to the judge: "I have a witness whom I had not at a former trial, and I want to have him heard." But when you come to the second appeal, here is the condition which I read in the Bill:
The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge, may make regulations governing the right to and fixing the conditions of appeal.
The very fact that the judge may make regulations governing the right of appeal nullifies the object my right hon. friend has just stated. At once there must be formalities. The judge makes regulations to limit the conscript's right to have his appeal. What are those regulations? I wish we knew them, but they are left to the judge. They may be of one character or of another character, but whatever they may be, I sulbmit as a matter of equity, justice and fairness, that the rules which are imposed upon the conscript for the exercise of his right shpuld also be imposed upon the Minister of Militia, and vice versa; otherwise, there is no equity in the matter at all.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Subsection 2 of
section 10 provides for a stated case in the event of a disagrement between the two members of the local tribunal. Is that subsection complete in drafting, .or is there some other section in the Bill, which I do not know of at the moment, which deals further frith this matter?


Robert Laird Borden: Yes, section 7
says that the cases so stated shall be heard.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: That is complete, yes.


John Howard Sinclair: Subsection 2 of section 10 provides that if there is a disagreement between the twomembersof the local tribunal, they shall state a case which they shall transmit to the registrar of the province in which the case arises. It is the duty of the registrar to turn that over to the appeal court, but there is no provision made for transmitting the evidence taken by the local tribunal along with the stated case. The evidence should go forward with the stated case, so that the court of appeal would have an opportunity of seeing what evidence was taken before the local tribunal in order to arrive at a decision.
_ Sir ROBERT BORDEN: In stated cases, you do not require evidence.


Arthur Meighen: A stated case would
embrace such a summary, of the evidence as would make the appeal intelligible to [DOT]the appeal tribunal. We could not impose
upon the local tribunal the necessity of including all the evidence in a stated case, because that would .involve the necessity of all the evidence in every case being taken down in writing.	.


John Howard Sinclair: But nothing is said
about the evidence going forward?


Arthur Meighen: A stated case cannot
be anything other than, a 'Statement of the evidence in the case, a short statement, signed by the two members of the tribunal of the facts as brought out in the evidence.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: 
Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I am not objecting to the central appeal judge having the right to make the regulations governing the right of appeal, because that is where your frivolous objection comes in. But assuming that the Crown exercises the right of appeal, and the man has received a decision in his favour before the first tribunal, unless some means is provided he will be unable to follow up that appeal. He might have a perfectly just case, but, having no means to defend himself, the case would go against him.


Arthur Meighen: I had that very case in contemplation, namely, an appeal by the Militia Department from the decision of the appeal tribunal. I can conceive that there would be cases where the central appeal judge would decide that equity demanded compensation to the individual who was brought before the central appeal judge or some other judge named by him.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Are you referring to the taxation of costs to the conscript after the appeal is heard?


Arthur Meighen: That is what I referred to.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was referring to what might happen before the appeal was heard. If a conscript has no means he would never be able to get before the central appeal judge.


Arthur Meighen: I was just proceeding to that. There might be a case where, owing to the capricious action of the official of the department, a man who was appealing a case might be put to an expense that he should not have been put to. That might very well be covered by regulation. I do not see how it could be covered by the Bill, because a great deal would have to be left to the central appeal judge himself. There might be cases where the individual might not be able to get to the central appeal judge or some other judge named by him, but those cases would likely be very few, because the central appeal judge has power to name some judge in British Columbia, Nova Scotia, and so on, to do the work for him, and consequently the expense could not be so great. It would appear to me best to leave to the central appeal judge the framing of the regulations under which indigent cases, so to call them, might be provided for. If we inserted in the Act a provision that a certain sum shall be lodged in the event of an appeal by the Militia Department we should

be putting a very high premium on appeals beyond the tribunals. We want to discourage such appeals as much as possible. I do not see why the central appeal judge could not Ibe trusted to work out some regulations for payment for the service of subpoenas and such other necessary costs as he might feel ought to be provided for, on the production of evidence of inability to pay on the part of the applicant.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I do not think my hon. friend is following me. I am not pleading for the applicant, but for the man who has received a decision in his favour from the tribunal, and against which decision the Crown has appealed. If this man has no means he is unable to carry on the case. My hon. friend does not live in a part of the country where they have a divorce court, and so he does not know what real justice is, but down in the Maritime Provinces we have a divorce court and the wife has a right to demand that the husband who is suing for divorce shall pay her costs day by day, or the case cannot go on. I think that might be done in this case where the Crown is appealing against the decision from a court below.


Robert Laird Borden: That is not done in divorce cases alone. Sometimes an appeal is granted, by special leave, to the Privy Council upon condition that the appellant in any case shall pay the costs of the respondent. There might be regulations which would restrict the Minister of Militia in that way, and it may be very desirable that there should be such regulations to cover some cases; that is to say, if a case is decided against the Department of Militia by the tribunal, and it is desirable for the purpose of securing uniformity of decision in all the provinces that there shall be an appeal against that decision, it might be possible to provide that in any event the Minister of Militia shall pay the costs of that appeal.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is what I am contending for.


Robert Laird Borden: It does not seem possible to provide for that in this Bill. It had better be left to regulation.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I do not care whether it is done by Bill or regulation, so long as I am assured that it will be done. But if it is not in the Bill it is possible that the central appeal judge might not consider it necessary to put it in the regulations, and in that case, although we all have the best

intentions, the poor man would be without redress.


Arthur Meighen: That clearly should be done by regulation. The appeal judge would consider the wisdom of such a course and what the costs should be.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: Do I understand that a man will be allowed to appeal from the decision of any army doctor? A doctor might pronounce him physically fit, but the man himself, guided by his own feelings or the advice of some other doctor, might declare that he was physically unfit. Could he appeal?


Arthur Meighen: There is no appeal
from the opinion of the army doctor as to physical fitness. The man would be in just the same position after the decision of the army doctor as he would be in to-day.


William Pugsley: I have listened to the discussion and am unable to come to any conclusion whether or not the Government intends to give to the conscript the right of appeal to the Central Appeal Judge. I should have thought that the real object of having this appeal judge was to enable the Minister of Militia to get uniformity of decision throughout Canada. The Solicitor General has rather admitted that the regulations may take away the right of appeal altogether from the subject.


Arthur Meighen: Except in certain
cases.


William Pugsley: Would those cases be appeals on question of fact or on questions of law? Reading the whole section one must be struck by the anomaly of it. Section 3 (a) says:
Subject to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this subsection there shall be an appeal from any appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge.
That clearly limits the right of appeal. It does not give what one would think was being given to the subject, namely, the right of appeal. Section 3 (b) says:
The Governor in Council, on the recommendation of the Central Appeal Judge, may make regulations governing the right .... of appeal.
Under that, it seems to me that the judge can make such regulations as will actually deprive the subject of the right of appeal, either on a question of fact or on a question of law. It goeS on:
-provided any person authorized by the Minister of Militia and Defence may as of right enter and prosecute such appeal.
The effect of that is the regulations may absolutely deprive the subject of the right of appeal to the central judge. The Minister of Militia has an absolute right pf appeal, which cannot be taken away from him under those regulations. I only wish to Tepeat what I said before, in the hope that some weight may be given to the suggestion. It is only adding to what has [DOT]been said by my right hen. friend who sits on my left (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) that if a conscript has had a judgment of the local appeal tribunal in his favour, he ought not to be carried to the central appeal judge by the Minister of Militia, without some provision being made to reimburse him for his costs, in case the judgment appealed from should be sustained. My hon. friend says the desire is to discourage appeals, but, as has already been pointed out, it is not the case of the conscript appealing, but of the Minister ,of Militia not being satisfied with what might have 'been the judgment of two tribunals in favour of the ^subject and he still wants to carry the case to a higher court where the conscript may be absolutely unable to meet him by reason of his poverty-and where on account of the case being undefended, the Minister of Militia may get a judgment reversing the judgments of the inferior courts. This is contrary to the principles of natural justice, and should not be permitted. If the subject has a judgment of either one or two of these courts-appointed in the very careful way in which the Prime Minister says the tribunal is to be appointed-I say it is grossly unfair that the Minister of Militia should be permitted, as of right, to carry the case to a higher court without making any provision which would enable the poor boy-who possibly, is absolutely without means-to meet him in this higher court. There should be either an equal condition of affairs as between the subject and the Minister of Militia, or there should be, in the case of the minister appealing from the ' judgment of one or two of the inferior courts, some provision which would do justice to the c.onscript in the way of guarding him against the loss which he must necessarily sustain.


Arthur Meighen: I do not disagree altogether with the hon. member for St. John (Mr. Pugsley) that there will be cases of unfairness if entirely unrestrained by any condition the Minister of Militia were to have the free right of appeal against the judgment of the two courts below, but there is nothing in the Bill which says that he must have such right of appeal unre-

strained. All I argue is that the central appeal judge can better frame the provisions which seem fair in his judgment- the conditions that must toe lived up to by the Minister of Militia-before he allows an appeal of the Minister of Militia from the judgment of the lower courts.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: According to subsection (to) the right of the minister to appeal is without condition.


Arthur Meighen: The central appeal
judge may make regulations governing the conditions upon which that right may be exercised. He cannot prevent the Minister of Militia from exercising it, but he can hedge it around with conditions which the minister must fulfil, such as, for instance, a provision for witness fees.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Or, depositing a sum of money for the costs?


Arthur Meighen: Exactly. So that he is quite at liberty to protect the subject against embarrassment, so far as money can protect him.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Then, why not say so?


Arthur Meighen: If my hon. friend can frame a clause which will take care of cases of that kind, I will be quite open to receive it.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have it framed already.


Arthur Meighen: I never claimed that
exactly the same right of. appeal rests on the one side as on the other. The Militia Department represents the whole people of Canada, and the individual represents himself. It is not a principle of law that the same right of appeal rests on both sides. Rights are presumed, and rights are granted under the common law of the land, in favour of the Crown, which the" individual does not enjoy.
' Mr. PUGSLEY: In what case? Will the minister give an instance?


Arthur Meighen: In the collection of
debts claimed by the Grown, the Crown has a right which the individual does not enjoy.


William Pugsley: That is very different.


Arthur Meighen: The Crown has the
rights in this country and in Great Britain which the individual does not enjoy at all; and why? Because it is in. the public interest. The Crown represents the people, whereas the individual represents himself.

In a trial between two individuals there must be an absolute parity, but it cannot be in the interests of the State that in a contest between the State and the individual there should be a parity in .all things. I contend those very principles .should be embodied here.


Wilfrid Laurier: There was a
time when the Crown had more rights than it has to-day.


Arthur Meighen: Very true. It might be that, under this, regulations may be adopted whereby the consent of the appeal judge must be secured before an individual can take a case to the court of appeal. It might be, that consent would be called for where it was .a question of law, bult not of necessity, where it was a question of fact. Such, restraints would be fair, reasonable and right, but you could not geit uniformity if the same restraint were applied to the Militia Department.


Wilfrid Laurier: The reason
given by my hon. friend is 'that it is essential to have uniformity. That is not the reason at all.


Arthur Meighen: It is not the only one.


Wilfrid Laurier: It is the principal reason, as I have understood.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon, friend the Solicitor General (Mr. Meighen) wished to know how we could provide for what we are seeking. It seems to. me that I would like to make this proposal.
Paragraph 3 (a) says:
Subject to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this subjection there shall be an appeal from any appeal tribunal to the Central Appeal Judge.
I would suggest that at the end of that clause you put these words:
Provided that if such appeal is prosecuted by the Minister of Militia the latter shall be required to deposit with the court such sum as the judge may direct to pay the costs of the respondent to such appeal.


Arthur Meighen: That would not meet the very case that the hon. member has in mind. Where would the respondent get his money in the meantime to carry on his fight?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: He knows that the Government is putting up the money and he will probably find some enterprising ba"-rister who will help him.


Arthur Meighen: Will he not be just as well off if the regulations provide that if

the cost of the appeal is harassing he will be recompensed?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If the minister will say that the regulations will contain that provision I am satisfied.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: If his right depends on his being successful, I do not know that there will be very much protection for him.


William Pugsley: If he wins there is no provision by which he will get his costs. He may win in every court but the statute gives him no costs. I cannot see where, under the statute, the central appeal judge can make regulations which will give him his costs.


Arthur Meighen: That is the intention.


William Pugsley: Then there should be an express provision to that effect. It does seem that the minister is carrying it too far when he says that the spirit of the statute is in the interest of the public and against the subject. Every statute passed for the protection of the subject is said to be in the interest of the public. Every criminal law is, and we know that the criminal law is always administered with the most tender regard for the subject. The subject is at an enormous disadvantage as against the Crown.


Arthur Meighen: Why then is the subject not given the same rights to challenge before the jury as the Crown is giving to stand aside jurors?


William Pugsley: Because under the law of Canada there must be a unanimous verdict of the jury of twelve before a prisoner can be found guilty. That is an enormous advantage. That advantage has been taken away from the prisoner in many countries, amongst others in the United States, because in some of the states nine jurors can find a prisoner guilty. In this country there must be a unanimous verdict.


Charles Joseph Doherty: The verdict has to be unanimous here either for conviction or acquittal.


William Pugsley: That is absurd; if the jury do not find a unanimous verdict against the prisoner they are discharged after a reasonable time and the man goes free.


Arthur Meighen: What about a disagreement? They might bring in a disagreement. It is just as fair for one as the other. But as to the right of challenge, the advantage is given to the Crown in every trial.


William Pugsley: No.


Arthur Meighen: It has the right to stand aside jurors.


William Pugsley: In a capital case, a case of murder, . the prisoner can challenge twelve jurymen and the Crown can only challenge three. Is that not so, Mr. Minister?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I do not think those figures are correct.


Arthur Meighen: The Crown can stand
aside a hundred if it likes.


William Pugsley: The Crown simply
stands aside so many until the panel has been gone over, but when the clerk begins again tp call the panel the Crown has a limited right of challenge. I think it has only one-third or onie-fourth the right of the prisoner.


Arthur Meighen: The right of the Crown to stand aside jurors is practically an unlimited right in Manitoba and other prp-vices and it gives an enormous advantage to the Crown. That principle pervades our civil as well as our criminal law. How could it be contended that the two stand on a parity before the cpurf?


William Pugsley: Any man who has had
anything to do with the administration of the criminal law will recognize that the law is always tender and merciful to the accused. He is deemed to be innocent until proved guilty. He is given the right to challenge twenty jurors While the Crpwn has only the right to challenge three. There must be a unanimous verdict of guilty before the prisoner can be found guilty and condemned to punishment. The Crown has a most tender regard for the rights of the subject and the reaspn is that the subject is at an enormous disadvantage. In this case, here is the Minister of Militia with all the poweT and authority of the Crown, and with all the money of the treasury at his back, with power to employ counsel and to call witnesses frpm all over the country, while the subject, the conscript, who may be without money, notwithstanding that he may have got judgment in two courts, may be dragged to Ottawa, before the central appeal judge without any provision for the payment of his witness or counsel, or even his travelling expenses. That is placing the subject at an enormous disadvantage and it is contrary to the spirit which hitheTto has animated Parliament in connection with any Bill that I have ever known to be passed.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I did not intend, as was suggested by my hpn. friend from Cape

Breton (Mr. McKenzie), that this sum of money would only go to the respondent in case he won. The amendment was drafted very hurriedly but my intention was to so draft the clause that this would he a sum of m.oney set aside to pay his costs, win or lose. If he loses the Crown gets his body. It is only to put an indigent person in a position to defend himself.


Arthur Meighen: It applies to every case whether he is rich or poor.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Certainly. I take the
ground that if the Crown appeals a second time and the respondent has the decision below, the Crown should pay the costs of the appeal.


Joseph-Adélard Descarries: Mr. Chairman, I approve the suggestion made by the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Maclean). Since the Minister of Militia who, in the main, is the Government, is not obliged to make a deposit in order to proceed with his appeal, it seems to me there is no reason to compel the appellant, who believes himself wronged by conscription, to make a deposit as a security for his appeal costs. Otherwise, it would be debarring from their right to appeal a large number of people who might think they had been wronged by the local tribunal's decision. There will certainly be appellants among those who will be in the first class and there will also be in that class young men twenty years old. Now, I wish to point out that, in the province of Quebec, a youth of twenty is a minor, that consequently, he has no rights, or responsibilities, in order to obtain money. He cannot legally contract a bond or a security in order to make a cash deposit to allow him to appeal. I will go further and say that the greater part of these young men are absolutely resourceless. Then, do I ask, how could these young men appeal when they feel they are wronged, if they are deprived of all means to do so?
Would there not be some way of protecting these young people, who are at the start of life, who have no earthly possessions and not even the legal capacity to contract, would there not be some means of giving them at least the right of appeal of course without any expensive procedure, of paying only their witness costs, in fine, that they be only liable for those things which they would absolutely be obliged to do for themselves? I make this suggestion in order to protect this most interesting class of young men, the first youth of the country who are to be called upon to fight

for the protection of our rights. Therefore, at least, let those who would believe they are injured by conscription have a chance to appeal to the highest tribunal and to do so in a practical manner, that is to say, let us afford them the means of doing it without compelling them to fill certain conditions which they are unable to fulfil.


Charles Joseph Doherty: I may say, in
reply to the hon. gentleman that it has already been stated that there is no intention whatever to exact deposits as conditions for appealing. In the next place, the terms to be laid down must be couched in the form of regulations which will be prepared by or at the suggestion of the court itself (Central Appeal judge). I believe we may depend upon the court and that they will not attempt to lay down conditions which the appellants would be unable to comply with. If we can trust the court as regards the settlement of the main issue, it seems to me we should be thoroughly satisfied that they would not impose conditions which the appellants could not possibly meet.
At all events, hon. members have suggested the imposing of conditions upon the Minister of Militia, as to the costs and expense, but there is in the Act nothing to suggest that pecuniary conditions would be imposed upon the appellants.


Joseph-Adélard Descarries: I have perfect confidence in the decision to be- rendered by the tribunals as to the merits of the appeal, but as to the conditions we do not know what they may be. It is perfectly possible that the appeal judges impose as a preliminary condition of such an appeal, a deposit, a security of some sort, or such other conditions which would be so burdensome that those parties of whom I was just speaking, those twenty year old minors, would not be able to meet them, it would be. like shutting the door upon them. It seems to me that Parliament, that the members have the right to know whether the conditions to be imposed by the judges and ratified by the Governor General in Council, shall be burdensome to such parties or shall give them the opportunity to appeal.


Daniel Duncan McKenzie: This Parliament and all parliaments have been in the habit of [DOT] enacting substantive law by the Act itself and not leaving it to regulations to be dealt with in regulations. In subsection (b) of section 3 the Solicitor General is departing from the ordinary rule and leaving the enacting of substantive law to regulation.

The right of appeal is substantive law. How we shall get to the court of appeal, etc., is a matter of regulation, but the right of appeal is substantive and should be enacted by this Parliament. While I am very anxious that everyone should have all proper rights of appeal, my criticism of this Act is that it provides for too many courts, and none of them strong. It would be better to have a court of first resort stronger than any courts I have heard mentioned yet, and let that be the end of it. The matters that go to that court are covered by subsections (a) (b) and (c) of section 11. The county court judge and another man sitting with him will not be a strong court to deal with the subjects that must necessarily come under 'those sub-sections, and it would be better to have a strong court of first instance composed of men capable of dealing with this broad subject. I would say, let that strong court deal with it once for all, and do not let us have this irritating condition of going from one weak court to another. I am not reflecting in any way upon the capacity of judges; but these are not matters of law; they are matters of the common utilities of the country, and a judge is no better able to deal with them than anybody else. If the plan I have suggested were adopted, there would be less irritation, less trouble and a better administration of-justice.


William Pugsley: Reverting to the question of challenge, I find that a person
charged with an offence punishable with death is entitled to challenge peremptorily twenty jurors and the Crown only four, not three as I said.


Arthur Meighen: I quite agree that in regard to challenge more liberty is given to the accused, because the right of telling jurors to stand aside is practically unlimited on the part of the Crown, and is a very powerful weapon. It must be remembered that those provisions are modified by provincial legislation, at least on the point of standing aside.


William Pugsley: The right to stand aside continues only until the panel is exhausted. The provincial legislature in the constitution of the court may increase the number of jurors; perhaps that is what my hon. friend refers to, as that increases the number who may be stood aside. But that is only until the panel is exhausted, whereas the prisoner's right is to challenge peremptorily, and, in addition, he can challenge for cause.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I understood from the Minister of Justice that the appellant would not be obliged to make a deposit in order to make his appeal good. Am I right?


Arthur Meighen: Not the individual.
Progress reported.
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Abbotsford postmaster, 608 Achim, Mr. Honore (Labelle)
Military Service Bill, 2873 Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 9, 47, 83, 119, 160, 195, 249 Address to His Majesty the King. See Parliament: Extension of term of Adjournment moved to discuss matter of urgent public importance Mr. Pardee, returned soldiers, 459 Mr. Lemieux, liquor in military camps, 806 Mr. Kyte, price of flour, 1039 Mr. Devlin, conservation of grain, 1176 Mr. Macdonald, German submarines, 1320 Mr. Oliver, removal of rails, 1820 Mr. Turriff, farm labour, 3504
Mr. Macdonald, munitions, 5517
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Adulteration of food. See Food Advertising, government
Department of the Secretary of State, 656 Recruiting, 986, 3136 Aeroplane. See Air service and Aviation Aetna Explosives Company, 4508
Agriculture
Animals
Health of, 2271 Loaning of to farmers, 4152 Pure bred, purchase of, 2276 See, under this head, Live stock.
Apples, embargo on export of, 5776 Associations, 2276 Beans for seed, 671, 1473 Bulletins, 2062, 2274 Butter
Imports and exports of, 1573 Purchases by British Government, 899 Cattle. See, under this head, Live stock Cheese
Imports and exports of, 1573 Manufacturing and curing of, 2265 Purchase of by British Government, 1774, 1863, 1971, 2197, 2257, 2265, 2267, 2557 See also Food
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Estimates, 654, 2062, 2255, 2924, 3744, 4677 French-speaking employees of, 2262, 2265 Publications 2062, 2274 Staff and salaries, 4924 Development of, 2578 Exhibitions, 2260, 2270 Experimental farms, 2055, 2063, 4682 Hay-
Embargo on, 1222 Imports and exports of, 1574 Inspection and grading of, 3402 Purchases of by British Government, 5086 Hogs
Inspection of, 2271 Cholera, 2273 Insect pests, 2066, 2075 Labourers. See Labour
Horses, compensation for destruction of,
Live stock
British embargo on, 918, 987, 1535 Pure bred, purchase of, 2276 Shipments, inspection of, 1841 See also Live stock and Produce Bill Noxious weeds, 2068 Parcel post shipments, 2072 Plant diseases
Rust in wheat, 2063, 2067 Powdery scab in potatoes, 2269, 5991 Potatoes
Accumulation of on railways, 607 Duty, proposed removal, 703, 5274, 5777, 5982
Exports and imports of, 2267, 5982 Powdery scab, 2269, 5991 Prices and supply of, 936, 1087, 1189, 1437, 2095
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Intoxicating liquor in, 535, 806, 1226, 1266, 1561, 1567
Petewawa land claims, 5241 Training, in Canada, 899 Canteen system in England, 718 Casualties
June 30, 1916, to June 5, 1917, 2201 June, 1917, 3719 July, 1917, 4151 August 16-31, 1917. 5901 Civil servants, in, pay and allowance to, 663, 713
Classifications, 2185 Commissions, granting of, 203, 207 Conscription. See Military service Demobilization plans, 3118 Dental Service, 31 Officers, 1574, 4009 Desertions, 338, 3111 Discharge
Purchase of. 3111 Regulations governing, 3096, 3098 Table of, 3096 Total to June 30. 1917, 4152 Work pay, on, 457 Divisions, 459; 2186 Enlistment
Aliens, of, 4413, 4415. See below Persons of foreign birth British army, in, 385 Civil Service, from. See Civil Service Different units, in, 29, 245 Farmers, of, 4685 Figures
April 30, 1917, to, 1572 June 30, 1917, to, 4152 July, 1917, 4151
Generally, 2411, 2442, 2446-2451, 2454, 2463-2478, 2573, 2583, 2600, 2624, 2631, 2647, 2855, 2884, 2904 Moosejaw, at, 5122 Non-residents, of, 1476 Persons of foreign birth, 3356, 3759. See above, Aliens Provinces, by, 216, 221 Unfit men, of, 697, 3099, 3107, 4003 Urban and rural, 3135 Western provinces, from, 4685 Equipment, 23. See also War supplies Expeditionary force Command of, 28, 268
Conditions governing in respect of British Government, 1576 Control of by Canada, 20, 39 Disposition of, 268, 1816, 2356 Holiday for, proposed, 5902, 6065 Status of, 259
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Terms respecting enlistment in, 1576 Fifth Canadian Division, command of, 459 Highland Brigade, 458, 552, 556 Hospitals. See that title Irish-Canadian Rangers, 458 Medical service. See Canadian Army Medical Service	.
Non-commisisoned officers, 1608 Officers
Alleged surplus of, 3102 Appointments, charges regarding, 98 Mentioned in despatches, 4062 Pay of, 1628, 1673, 5773 Reversion in ranks, 3997, 5773 Retention of on leave, 5902 Salutes to, 5424 Unemployed, 560, 3102 Wives of, passports for, 3996 For individual officers see their names Overseas Department
Officers employed by, 6069 See also under this head Expeditionary force
Pay and Records office, staff of. 3104 Pensions. See that title Recruiting
Advertising in connection with, 986, 3136 Civil Service, from. See that title Correspondence between Prime Minister and ex-minister of Militia, 2446, 3086 Expenses, 1959 Folkstone Director of, 1226 Forestry battalions, for, 5703 Generally, 51, 69, 86, 98, 101, 269, 559, 2395, 3371
Irish, Mr. Mark, statements of, 2707 Medical examination of recruits, 3098, 3963, 3967
National service proposals, 360 Officers
Bonaventure county, 1675 Cape Breton, 5361 Quebec, 3135 Rimouski, 456
Orders in Council respecting. 2482 Provinces, by, 2511. See also under titles of Provinces
Retarding of, alleged, 3086, 3110 Statement by Prime Minister, 194 System of, 360, 372 United States
British subjects in, 2482 Canadians in, 3758, 3759, 3904, 4466 Regiments 104th, 1570 165th, 1725
Reinforcements. See Military Service.
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Rejected men
Certificates to, B423 Disposition of, 3099 Rum, issues of, 535, 536 Soldiers
Age of on enlisting, 3577, 3993, 4001 Attendance of at political meetings, 4338, 5231
Deceased, estates of, 3805
See also Soldier Settlement Board
Employment of on farms, 1677
Former occupation of, 4685
Graves of, 1534
Leave of absence, 4005, 4053
Life insurance of, 3557, 3589
Mail matter for, 1263, 3644
Pay
Assigned, 383
Increases in, proposed, 2603, 5223 Promotion, in cases of, 5423, 5773 Working, 457,
Personal requests concerning, 4203 Public meetings, attendance of at, 4338, 5231
Returned
Badges for, 5953 Care of. 10, 67, 587, 1586, 1594 Committee on. 459, 524, 756 Employment of, 3846
Camp Kapuskasing at, 5422-Government service in, 491, 1127, 1850, 1858, 1884, 6054 Pensions, scale of, 1594 See also Soldier Settlement Board and Pensions
Reversions in rank; pay in such cases, 5423	,
Voting of, 87, 223, 452, 1383, 2403, 2557, 2651, 2850, 3727, 4406, 4688, 4693, 4740, 4792, 4874,	5195. See also Military
Voters Bill and War-time Elections Bill
Widows of, 3805 Working pay, cessation of, 457 For individual soldiers see their names Soldier Settlement Board. See that title Substitutes, buying of, 3113 Troops
Alleged stoning of, 803, 2756 Despatch of to the front, 574 Local, supplies for Pictou, N.S., contracts, 303 Trenton, N.S., contracts, 303 Maintenance of at the front, 536 United States, training of in Canada, 2482
Army-Con.
Unfit men	,
Certificates to, 5423 Utilization of, 3099
Veterans. See Army and Navy Veterans Incorporation Bill Work pay, cessation of, 457
See also Military Service and War Army Act. See Military Service Bill Army and Navy Veterans of Canada Incorporation Bill, lr., 5421.	2r., 5541.	3r.,
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Army
Officers, surplus of, 3103 Pensions, 3218 Rejected men, 3101
Soldiers, voting of, 4716, 4761, 4777, 4813, 4825, 4895
Immigration from the United States, 1750 Military Service Bill, 2654 Soldiers, attendance of at political meetings, 4338, 5231
Arthurs, Lieut.-Col. James, position and pay of, 5914
Ashcroft-Fort George mail service, 668 Assyrians, franchise rights under War-time Elections Bill, 5421 Astronomical Surveys, 4917 Athletic Associations, incorporation of, 5922 Atholstan, Lord, dynamite plot against, 5360 Atlantic mail service, 452 Atlantic Patrol Service. See Naval Service Auditor General Office of, 1791 Report of, 1469
Austro-Germans in western provinces, 1265 Aviation
Canadian fund, 5362 Corps, enlistment in, 1886 See Air Service
Babtie, Dr., report of. See Canadian Army Medical Service
Baddeck mail contract, 1819 Bags, duty on. See Customs Balfour, Rt. Hon. Arthur J.
Announcement of visit of, 613, 1724 Reception to, 1766 Speech of, 1767 Bank Act Amendment Bills
1.	Bill No.'46, Mr. L. A. Lapointe, lr., 1037
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Bank Act Amendment Bills-Con.
3 Bill No. 65, Sir Thomas White,-loans on farmers' live stock. Res., 1960; lr., 1971;	2r., (referred to Banking and
Commerce Committee), 2149 Bank of Commerce, Canadian, 4686 Banks and banking Savings deposits, 4685 Unclaimed bank balances, 1001 Barnard, Mr. Geo. H. (Victoria, B.C.)
Judges' salaries, 1976 Railway Act, The, 3529 Barrette, Mr. Joseph A. (Berthier)
Gauthier, Mr. L. J., denial of statements of, 2570
Halifax Chronicle, statement in, 3352 Military Service Bill, 2521 Amendment proposed, 2524 Opposition to compulsory service, 2522 Referendum proposals, 2523 Bartlett, Major, position of, 4292, 4416, 5422 Bathurst harbour improvements, 3872 Baugh, Edward Levi Defalcations of, 1470 Release of, 2481
Baxter, Leslie E., employment of, 3418 Bawdy houses. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Bay State Fish Company, 2321 Beans. See Agriculture.
Bear River, N.S.
Indian agents, 1569 Post office site, 1378, 1569 Beland, Hon. H. S., M.P., detention of in Germany, 311, 341, 524
Belford, Major J. F., position of, 5703 Bell, Mr. Graham, pay of, 1129 Bell, steamer, 1377.
Bell Telephone Company, 3548
Bell Telephone Memorial Association, 5780
Bellemare, Mr. A. (MaskinongO)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 294
Military service, 294, 2823, 3573 Bennett, Mr. R. B. (Calgary)
Bishop of Mackenzie River, 868 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4566, 4627-4638, 5149 Civil Service salaries, 2248 Companies, incorporation of, 5924-5942 Government railways, rolling stock, 4931 Gwatkin, General, 4428
Bennett, Mr. R. B.-Con.
Intercolonial railway Operation of, 786
Reply to Mr. Glaham's statement, 805 Intoxicating liquors, prohibition of, 4402 Legislators, free transportation for, 4936 Live stock exchanges, 5506, 5509 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5252, 5259 Military Service Bill, 4664 Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 4669, 4672
Overseas Military Forces, minister of, 4428
Pensions, 6023
Railways
Material for France, 1830 Private cars, 4937 Transportation for legislators, 4936 Soldiers, voting of, 1403, 4902 War-time Elections Bill, 5614 Woman suffrage, 1510 Bennett, Mr. W. H. (East Simcoe)
Flour, price of, 1048 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5499, 5904 Insurance Act amendment, 1037, 1157, 1524, 1568
National Transcontinental Railway-solicitor's fees, 454
War-time Elections Bill, 5681, 5870 Berlinguet, Thomas F. X., employment of, 1381
Bernard, Lieut.-Col. E. S., position of, 5703 Best, Mr. John A. (Dufferin)
Rankin, Captain Ramsay, 987 Troops, alleged stoning of, 803 Bickerdike, Mr. Robert (Montreal, St. Lawrence)
Capital punishment
Abolition of, 46, 325, 617, 1028 Proposed plebiscite, 1016 Russia,-in, 1012
Spain case, the, 1018 Women and children, 1017, 1150 Cattle, British embargo on, 920 Dubreuil, Mr., dismissal of, 3635 Prisoners, proposed enlistment of, 1012, 1015
War-time Elections Bill, 5600 Bigamy. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Bigras, Gedeon, dynamite plot against, 5360 Bills. See their titles Binder twine, 3233.
Blain, Lieut. Roswell, position of, 4245 Blain, Mr. Richard (Peel)
Army
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Galt, Mr. Justice, investigation into report of, 2056
Gauthier, Mr. L. J., denial of statements of, 2570
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5903 High Commissioner, Canadian, officeot',4177 Hospitals, military. 464 House of Commons Business of the House
Morning sittings, 2619, 2775, 2833 Saturday sittings, 324. 2569 Wednesday sittings, 324 Mace, new, 1468
' Members, tributes to deceased, 3 Officials
Appointments, 586
Clerk of the House, retirement of, 6069 Sergeant-at-arms, death of, 6069 Imperial Munitions Board, labour, 1986 Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial War Conference
Adjournment of House for, 117, 597, 603 Announcement re meeting of, 42 Correspondence respecting, 5, 24 Proceedings, 1525
Cattle embargo, 1535 Dominions overseas, constitutional relations of, 1528, 1531 Development and control of natural resources, 1532 France, visit to, 1536 Imperial preference, 1532 India, representation of, 1534 Minutes of, 2354 Soldiers' graves, 1534 Statements by British Prime Minister, 2354
Judges' salaries, 5955 Labour bureaus, establishment of, 118 Lake of the Woods water level, 2775 Landry, Mr. Justice, finding of, 3110, 3615 Lessard, General, 364-Mace, vote of thanks to donors of, 1468 Members of Parliament, tributes to deceased, 3
Military Service Bill Introduction, 1542, 2184 Amendment of Mr. Copp, 3078 Appeals, 2191, 3178 Army Act, regulations of, 3114 Available men, 2390 Board of Selection, 5083 Canada's position in the war, 2184 Contraventions of Act, 3342-3351, 3361, 3588
Exemptions, 3208, 3363, 6068 Exceptions, 3559
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Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 4174, 4667
National Service Commission, 309, 370 Nationalist Party, 4564
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3745, 3747, 3749
Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4196, 4417, 4436
Parliament, extension of term of, 37, 3419, 3504-
Parliament, printing of, 5950 Parliamentary procedure
Order of the day, reinstatement of, 2877 Question of privilege, discussion on, 600 Votes and proceedings, correctness of entry in, 2880
Parliamentary Secretaryships, 4196, 4417, 4438	[DOT]
Peace terms, consultation with Dominions on, 300
Pensions, 6018
Pension Commissioners, 4958 Political deadlock, rumoured, 1971 Press censorship, 3654, 3718, 3955, 4059 Racing meets, limitation of, 323 Railway Act, The, 603 Railways
Employees, payment of salaries of, 5956 Material, removal of to France, 310 Traffic, congestion of, 587 Recruiting	,
Alleged statement regarding, 194 Correspondence with ex-Minister of Militia, 2446, 3086, 3371 Figures for 1916, 379 Retarding of, alleged, 3371 Systems explained, 360-382, 2482 Rogers, Hon. Robert, resignation of, 4736 Ross rifle, 392, 408-434, 477-522 Speaker, election of, 1 Taxation of incomes, 4655 Union Government
Correspondence with Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 2690
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Supplies-clothing, motor trucks, Oliver equipment, wagons, 556-558 Trophies, exhibit of, 6003 War Purchasing Commission, 32 War-time Elections Bill, 5576, 5648-5702, War vote ($500,000,000), 354, 586 5706, 5805, 5834, 6071 Woman suffrage, 1504 Yukon price advances, 2199
Bouiay, Mr. Hermenegilde (Rimousld) Agriculture Department, French-speaking employes of, 2262, 2265 Army Medical Service,. 3989 Bright, the late John, 987 Budget, 1085
Free wheat, 1085
Behaviour of soldiers passing through Quebec, 1086
Necessity for co-operation with the Government, 1087 Civil Service
Employment of men in higher offices, 1256
French-speaking employees, 2262, 2265, 2340, 2759	*
Salaries, 2239, 2251 Government railways Accidents, 1376
Operation and management of, 3389 Removal of obstructions, 595 Rolling stock, 594 St. Fabien crossing, 2226, 3389 Government Ftailways Act amendment, 4373, 4382
Interior Department, French-speaking employees, 2340 Mail service, 3640
McWilliams, Mr., dismissal of, 2167 Military Service Bill Authority of Parliament, 2761 Classes, 3353 Exceptions, 3571 Exemptions, 3190, 3306 Quebec, position of, 2754 National Transcontinental Railway Express service, 595
Fitzpatrick yard and engineer's residence, 455, 456 Telegraph line, 456 Ottawa Citizen, statement of, 2776 Parliament buildings, destruction of-indemnities for losses, 4413 Pension Commissioner's staff, 60?
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Recruiting in, 2754
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Scientific and industrial research, 3957 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1145
South African war, 2200 Steamship services, 2323 Technical education, 1249 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5384 Troops, alleged insults to, 2756 Veterinary Director General, 987 Bo urassa, Mr. J. Boutin (Ldvis)
Gravel, Lieut. Gedeon, 1674 Gravelle, Oscar, 1226 Levis railway station, 1129 Military Service Bill, 3069, 3147 St. Romuald public works, 1129 Boy Scouts Association, 2062, 3740 Boyce, Mr. Arthur C. (West Algoma) Military Service, 3147 Boyce, George H., position of, 1472 Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil)
Butter and cheese purchases, 899 Maple sugar-adulteration, 1958 Military service, 2931 Boys, Mr. W. A. (South Simcoe)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 90
Patriotism of Canadian women, 90 Simcoe county and the war, 90 Loyal Orange Order, 91 The Dorchester election, 92 National service, 93 Recruiting in Quebec, 94 Bradbury, Mr. George H. (Selkirk)
Army canteens, 811 Army and navy veterans, 5910 Capital punishment, 634 Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3769 Military service, 3190 United Grain Growers, Limited, 893 War affairs, Government administration of, 3383
Brampton-Palestine mail route, 590 Bran. See Grain Brantford moulders' strike, 2322 Breadner, Mr. R. W., position of, 3676 Bright, the late John, 987 Brindle, Mr. William, dismissal of, 3758 British Admiralty, recruiting in Canada for, 4159, 4163
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British Government and Canadian Pacific Railway Financial Arrangements Bill,
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British Government, war supplies, purchases of in Canada, 4953, 5517, 5541 Bromptonville postmaster, 1129.
Brouillard, Mr. Ovide (Drummond and Arthabaska)
JEtna Explosives Company, 4508 Military service, 3072
Bruce, Dr., investigations of. See Canadian Army Medical Service Buchanan, Mr. W. A. (Medicine Hat)
Army allowances, subsistence, 5915 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5178
Coal mining, western, 119, 458, 523, 1266, 1372, 1616, 1723, 1725, 2526, 2570, 2653 Coutts quarantine reserve, 590 Economic and Development Commission, 1125
Farm labour, 3507 Fuel, 1414 Grain
Commission, 3711 Elevators, 986 Seed, advances for, 303, 305 Home guard duty, 336
Hudson's Bay Company lands, taxation of.
986	*
Hyde, Mr. J. W., 301 Indian reserves, 989, 2389 Judgments, uniform interest on, 900 Letter carriers' salaries, 1474 Medicine Hat military reserve, 301 Military service, 2600 Exemptions, 2607 Referendum proposals, 2607 Taxation of wealth, 2608 Mounted Police pensions, 5704 Oil-boring machinery, 301 Proportional representation, 913 , School lands, western, 1378 Shaw, Mr. F. D., dismissal of, 1847 Soldier Settlement Board, 1163 Soldiers, former occupations of, 4685 Taxation
Farm implements, 1686 Hudson's Bay Co. Lands, 986 Income, 1687, 4122 Wealth, 2608
Unclaimed bank balances, 1009 War-time Elections Bill, 5580 Woman suffrage, 1515
Budget debate, 718. Arndts, proposed: Mr. Turriff, 750, 845, 870, 937, 1085, 1089, 1194, 1201, 1267; Mr. Robb, 1317, 1319, 1423; Mr. Oliver, 1424. Mr. Loggie, 1424. See also Taxation.
Bull, Mr. Perkins, position of, 1130 Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Berlinguet, Thos. F. X., 1381 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5016, 5168
Industrial requirements, 2696 Inland Revenue Department estimates, 3835
Military service, 2693, 5882 Montreal Gazette, statement of, 2709, 4739 Public Works Department architect, 5104 Quebec judges' salaries, 5798, 5800
St. Maurice river improvements, 1381 Taxation of incomes, 5886 Three Rivers	.
Harbour improvements, 3879 Public building, 668
War-time Elections Bill, 5667, 5695, 57125771
Burford, recruiting in, 601 Burgess, defalcations of, 1127 Burke, Col. Rev. A. E., position of, 5704 Burnham, Mr. John H. (West Peterborough) Aliens, enlistment of, 4415 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 817 Enlisted men, age of, 3577 Pensions, 1594 Unfit men, 699
Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 6911 Capital punishment, 623 Civil Service, appointments, 2019 Government Railways Act amendment, 4355
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1179 Intoxicating liquors, prohibition of, 4403 Judges' salaries, 1977
Labour-Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1112
Military Service Bill, 2555, 3365 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4204 Patent medicines, war tax on, 363 Shipbuilding, 1932 Soldiers, voting of, 2557 Soldier Settlement Board, 3630 Technical education, 1238 Trent canal wharves, 759 Venereal diseases, 817, 869
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Levis station, 2208 Maritime Express service, 8 Milford ballast pit, 2320 Obstructions, removal of, 1376 Operation of, 759 Passenger service, 2203 Peniac bridge, 2320 Pension fund, 1476 Rails, 1575 Rates, coai, on, 4292 Station accommodation, 2227 Stations, naming of, 3386 Tracadie siding, 2618
See also Government Railways Act Amendment Bill.
Intoxicating liquors, shipment on, 591 Level crossing, Pictou harbour branch, 304 Line improvements, 2204
Military and hospital trains, 2205 National Transcontinental Earnings, 2203
Engineers' residence at Fitzpatrick, 455, 456
Express service, 595 Fitzpatrick yard, 455 Freight rates, 2210, 3394 Operation, 657, 1573, 3411,
Expenses of, 2203 Portneuf claims, 1571
Rails, removal of to France, 1229, 1266, 2225
St. Malo shops, 1128 Salmon river viaduct, 2212 Solicitor's fees, 454 Telegraph line, 456 Ties, purchases of, 455 Traffic, 2209, 2218 Obstructions, removal of, 595 Officials, 657, 3390 Operation of, 2203, 3386 Passenger service, 2207 Prince Edward Island
Car ferry and terminals, 2205 Widening of, 3902, 3945 Quebec railways, 4948, 5452 Rails, 2224
Rolling stock, 594, 4928. See, under this title, Cars
Safety-first inspectors, 337 Ships, Duilding of, for, 4939, 5429 Valley railway, 1380 Working expenses, 3410 See also Government Railways Act Amendment Bill
Canadian Northern Railway.
British Columbia, lines and works aided by province of, 4987
Canadian Northern Railway-Con.
Capital stock of affiliated companies held by, 4626
Payments on interest account, 4338 Removal of rails from, 301, 3398 Canadian Northern Railway Company.
Financial statements respecting, 4058 * Report of Drayton-Acworth Commission,
*	4011	*
Canadian Northern Railway Acquisition Bill.
Rek, 4022, 4215, 4217, 4247. lr., 4293.	2r,
4467,	4512,	4566. Com., 4590,	4622,
4835, 4960, 5015.	3r„ 5108, 5123-5194
Amendment proposed: Mr. Graham, 4477; lost on div., 4590
Closure applied, 5002, 5015, 5121, 5123 Canadian Pacific Railway. See British Government
Canadian Patriotic Fund, 595, 3078 Allowances from, 203, 207, 383, 3951 See also War Charities Canadian, Press Limited, 3740 Canals, 3402, 3417
For individual canals, see their titles Canteen. See Army Cape Bold breakwater, 3873 Cape Breton
Recruiting officers, 5361 Senate representation, 89 Cape Cove pier, 3879 Capital Punishment,
Plebiscite proposed, 1016 Russia's abolition of; proposed congratulations, 1012 Spain case, 1018
Women and children, in cases of, 1017, 1150
See Criminal Code Amendment Bills Caraquet and South Shore Railway, 2223,
Cardin, Mr. P. J. A. (Richelieu)
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5175
Military Service Bill, 3058 St. Lawrence Flour Mills Company, 4509 Carleton beach protection works, 1128 Caron, Mr. Hector, employment of, 4151 Carrier, Emile, allowance to, 581 Carroll, Mr. William F. (South Cape Breton) Aeroplane service, 1331 Army Recruiting Officers, Cape Breton, 5361
Budget, 1424
Taxation of incomes, 1424 Government expenditure, 1425 So-called prosperity, 1426 Control of food prices, 1427
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Reply to statements of Mr. Edwards, 1430
Canada Temperance Act, 5244 Canadian Government Railways, private cars, 4933
Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 5140
Censors and decoders, 576
Customs Department, motor boats, 3759
Dental officers, 1574
East Bay wharves, 5315, 5317
Flour, price of, 1044
Food products, prices and control of, 1427
Indians-Sydney reserve, 1888
Insurance, 5203
Macdonald, Miss Jessie, 5361
McNeil, Lt. John D., 5272
Military Service, 2854
Nova Scotia steamship service, 2291
Shipbuilding, 1331
Submarine situation, 1329
Taxation
Incomes, 1424	.
Wealth, 2859
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo Railway, 2613
Carroll, Lieut. W. F., M.P., position and pay of, 6066
Carson, Major General, position of, 986 Carvell, Mr. Frank B. (Carleton, N.B.) Agricultural instruction, 3755 Army, soldiers
Pay of, on promotion, 5423 Voting of, 4795-4834, 4874-4887, 48894914
Bear river, N.S.
Indian agents, 1569 Wharfinger, 1378 British preference, 1711 Canada Gazette, 3738 Canada Temperance Act, 1263, 3739, 6243 Canadian Government Railways Branch lines, 2230
National Transcontinental, Salmon river viaduct, 2212-
Promotion of employees, 766 Quebec railways, 5464 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4253, 4266, 5146 Companies, incorporation of, 5928-5942 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4301, 4318
Daylight saving, 3682 Desjardins, Lt. Col., 1818 Farm implements, duty on, 1708 Flour, price of, 1051 Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 989 Gordon divorce case, 5903


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New Brunswick, 1889 Reserves, cutting timber on, 1889 Insurance, 4388, 5202
Maritime Provinces, military affairs, 5226 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5247, 5254 McNeil, F. C., payments to, 1380 Military district No. 6, 5226 Military service, 2709 Appeals, 3179 Referendum, 2711 Tribunals, 3152, 3161 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3746, 3753 Parliament, railway transportation for members of, 3519 Potatoes, duty on, 5777 Proposed removal, 5274, 5982 Public works expenditure, 5348 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec harbourmaster, 897 Railway employees, payment of salaries of, 5957, 5997
Railway Act, The, 3422-3453, 3516-3553, 3593, 3717
Ross rifle, 388, 412-434
Rural mail service, 3647
St. John harbour improvements, 5347
Soldiers, votes for, 1404
Sugar, colouring of, 1957
Surveys, 1346
Tariff revision, 1699
Taxation
Business profits, 1452, 4245 Income, 1452, 1701, 3768, 5884 Telegraph and telephone lines, 3543, 53635404, 5410
Unclaimed bank balances, 1007 Victoria breakwater, 1381 Valley railway, 1380
War Purchasing Commission inquiry re purchases, 340
War-time Elections Bill, 5660, 5676-5699, 5713
West Edmonton forest rangers and homestead inspectors, 1476 104th Regiment, 1570
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Censors and decoders, 576, 3718 Louisburg, at, 4008, 4048 See "The Fiddlers"
Census
Male population of Canada, 2283 Western, 2336 C. E. Tanner, steamer, 5362
Chabot, Mr. John L. (Ottawa)
Civil Service
Appointments, 2020 Salaries, 2251 Military service, 2781
Enlistment in Quebec, 2784
Chabot, Lt.-Col. J. D., M.P., position and pay of, 988
Chairman of Committees. See Deputy Speaker
Charitable and patriotic enterprises, organization and control of, 378, 462
Charlton, Mr. William A. (Norfolk)
Budget, 1304
Pulp and paper industry, 1304 Chicago drainage canal, 302 Chicoutimi, pure bred animals at, 4152
Chinese Immigration Act Amendment Bill.
lr., 843.	2r., com., 2139. Rep., 2149.
3r., 2285
Chisholm, Mr. A. W. (Inverness)
Economic and Development Commission, 2200
Fish and fisheries
Advisory Board, 2151 Dogfish, 2177
Inverness harbour, improvements, 5326 Margaree harbour improvements, 3867, 5330 National Service, provincial directors of, 2200
Nova Scotia public works, 5319, 5337 Scotch Hill post office, 3649 Steamship service, 2301, 2306 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5371
Cheese. See Agriculture: Dairy Civil Service
Act, administration of, 1791 Appointments
Order in Council, Jan. 1917, under, 3003 Regulations governing, 643 Returned soldiers, 643
See also Army: Soldiers: Returned Section 21, under, 607, 650, 693, 1023, 1351, 1937
Compulsory retirement from, alleged, 2059
Civil Service-Con.
Disfranchisement of civil servants, proposed, 2018
Dismissals, proposed, 3633 Employees, French-speaking, 2262, 2759 Employment of men in higher offices, 1256 Enlistments from, 192, 2014
Pay and separation allowances, 213, 663 Insurance, 3503 Mail carriers. See Post office Promotions, 2010, 2011, 2238, 4666 Salaries, 1791, 2008, 2238, 2946 Enlisted men, of, 1353, 2014, 2252 Proposed increases, 583 See Civil Service Act Amendment Bill.
For departments see their titles
Civil Service Act Amendment Bill. Res., 2008. lr., 2024.	2r„ 2149. Com., 2238.	3r.,
Clark, Mr. Hugh (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for External Affairs) Mounted police, 4668
Clark, Mr. Michael (Red Deer)
Army, canteens, 811 Budget, 736
Problems arising from the war, 736 Necessity for economy, 737 Taxation of incomes, 738 Maintenance and extension of out foreign commerce, 739 Free trade, 740
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4867
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1183 Military service, exemptions, 3367 Newspaper articles, correction of, 3617 Parliament, extension of term of, 3492 Political deadlock, rumoured, 1971 Referendum, 2665 Senate, appointments to, 934 Separation allowances, 1191 Soldiers, votes for, 1387 Taxation
Business profits, 737 Income, 738, 4639 Woman suffrage, 1518 Clarke, Mr. W. A. (North Wellington) Military Service Bill, 2861
Clergy as immigration agents, 5361
Clements, Mr. H. S. (Comox-Atlin)
Wharves, construction of, 5318 Cloakey, George, employment of, 1819 Closure. See Speaker, Parliamentary Procedure; Canadian Northern Railway Acquisition Bill
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Coal. See Mines Coal miners' strikes. See Mines
Coalition government, 2463, 2887, 2901, 3000, 3014, 3023, 3727, 3732 Political deadlock rumoured, 1941 See National government Correspondence between Sir Robert Borden and Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 2692
Cochrane, Hon. Frank (Minister of Railways
and Canals)
Canadian Government railways Cars, purchase of, 4928 Coal purchases, 664, 667 Freight rates, 3394 Hudson Bay railway, 5087 Intercolonial Cars, 2227
Construction and betterments, 22£4 Management and operation, 775 Officials, appointment of, 658 Passenger service, 2203 Line improvements, 2204 Military and hospital trains, 2205 Rails, 2224
National Transcontinental Freight rates, 2210 Operation, 658 Salmon River viaduct, 2217 Operating expenses, 2203 Prince Edward Island railway terminals and car ferry, 2205 Canals
St. Peter's, 3406 Trent, 2206, 3405 Welland, 2206 Coal
Confiscation of by railways, 584 Shortage, 83 Prices, 666
Government Railways Act Amendment Bill, 3845, 4339, 4365, 4386
Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 684
Quebec railways, 5472
Railway Act, the, 194, 602, 605, 3421, 35113553, 3592-3608, 3716 Railway, situation, inquiry into, 3408 Railways-France, removal of materials to, 311, 1825, 3407
Railways and Canals Department estimates, 657, 2202, 3385, 4925, 4928, 5428 St, John and Quebec Railway Act Amendment Bill, 2433, 3401
Cockshutt, Mr. William F. (Brantford) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 100 The war, 100
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The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 161
National government, 161 Political patronage, 162 Extravagance of present administration, 163
The ex-Minister of Militia, 164 National service, 170 Westmorland county and war profits, 171 Extension of term of Parliament, 172 The Dorchester election, 173 Alleged statement of Mr. Blondin, 173 Budget, 1307
Speech of Sir Sam Hughes, 1307 Winning of the war, 1310 Charges of extravagance against the Government, 1310 High cost of living, 1313 Revenue and expenditure, 1314 Taxation proposals, 1315 Intercolonial railway, operation of, 1316 Canadian Government Railways Construction and betterment, 3387 Intercolonial
Grand Narrows bridge, 2321 Management and operation, 773 Milford ballast pit, 2320 Peniac bridge, 2320
Government Railways Act Amendment, 4363
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5143
Cape Bald breakwater. 3873 Cost of living, 2005
Customs duties payable by provincial governments, 2135 Dorchester county election, 173 Fisheries officers, 2164
Food products, price and control of, 1313 Government Railways Act Amendment, [DOT]	4363
Indians, 1892
Inland Revenue Department estimates, 3843
Labour problems, 1173 Migratory birds, 3658 Military Service, 3075 Moncton armoury site, 4787 National service, 170
National Transcontinental Railway, removal of rails, 2225 Patriotic Fund, 3077 Pensions, 6031
Copp. Mr. A. B.-Con
Proportional representation, 917 Railway Act, The, 3442 Sackville wharves, 3878 Soldiers, votes for, 1401, 4703 Taxation, 1315
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5382 War-time Elections Bill, 5610 Wilfrid C„ boat, 4062 Cost of living
See O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., also Cold storage
Council of Indian Tribes of Canada Incorporation Bill, lr., 3902 Courcelette, steamer, 1377 Court, Pte. Harry Ivan, request for discharge of, 3295
Courts, See Justice
Coutts quarantine reserve, 590
Cox, John, position of, 1472
Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Alien enemies prohibited from voting (No.
59, Mr. Currie), lr., 1862 Capital punishment, abolition of, (No. 3, Mr. Bickerdike), lr., 46; 2r„ moved, 325, negatived, 1028-1036 See Capital Punishment Contract prices, prohibition of, (No. 21, Mr. Knowles), lr., 386;	2r., moved,
1617; debate adjourned, 1627 Insurance (No. 54, Mr. Doherty), lr., 1773;
2r., 2104; com., 4388; 3r., 4395 Jurors, (No, 97, Mr. Doherty), lr., 2567; 2r„ 4293; com., 4318; 3r„ 4383. Six months' hoist, moved by Mr. Lemieux, negatived, 4307
Non-support; foster parents; bawdy houses; insolvent traders; constables' fees, (No. 124, Mr. Doherty), lr., 4291; 2r., 4463; com., 4463; 3r„ 4466 Racing meets, limitation of, (No. 2, Mr. Wilcox), lr., 8; 2r., 313-324
Cromwell, Mr. F. R. (Compton)
Live stock purchases, 2279 Railway Act, The, 3604
Cross point wharf, 988, 1228, 1571 Crothers, Hon. T. W. (Minister of Labour) Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 831 Soldiers, voting of, 4702 Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, abolition of office of, 686 Budget, 1267
The extravagant waste of time in the House, 1267
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The labour situation, 1270 The coal situation, 1275 Food prices, 127S Coal
Questionnaire concerning, 1996 Sale, regulation of, 1275 Western mining of, 159, 614, 1266, 1372, 1616, 2295, 2570, 2653, 2776 Food
Control of sales and prices, 1273, 1989, 2083
Flour, price of, 1043 High cost of living, 695 Industrial Dicputes Investigation Act, 1112, 1168, 1270
Labour Department Administration of, 1269 Estimates, 686, 1112, 1166, 1989, 3652 Landry, Mr. Justice, findings of, 5248 Le Canada, correction of statement in, 2571
Military Service, 2483 Referendum, 2487
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., inquiry and report by, 3652, 3925 Strikes, prevention of, 1270 Technical education, 1236 Thetford mines labour trouble, 111& War-time Elections Bill, 5867 Yukon, cost of living in, 2199, 2481, 2525
Cruise, Mr. Robert (Dauphin)
Budget, 1432
Taxation of profits, 1432 Government expenditure, 1434 Free wheat, 1435 Proposed Highways Bill, 1435 Manitoba boundaries extension, 1435 Campbell, Duncan J., 758 Chabot, Lt.-Col., 988 Free wheat, 1435
Glen, Col. Joseph, payments to, 1377 Railway Act, The, 3520, 3550 Railway transportation for members of Parliament, 3520 Smith's Falls postmaster, 1570 Taxation of business profits, 1432
Cunningham, Frances Henry, payments to, 1125
Currie, Mr. John A. (North Simcoe)
Aliens, 3810, 3812
Austro-Germans in western provinces, 1265
Bill to prohibit voting by alien enemies, 1862
Currie, Mr. J. A.-Con.
Army
Recruiting, 3372 Officers, military pay of, 1676 See, under this head, Soldiers Army and Navy veterans, 5912 Civil Service appointment, 2019 Coal, 2001
Companies, incorporation of, 5926, 5928 Criminal Code amendments, Jurors, 4299 Dominion Lands Act Amendment, 3801, 3805-3817
France, trade relations with, 2310, 2316 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5498, 5905 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company Branch Lines Company, 1375 Imperial Preference, 1584.,	-	.
Loans to farmers, 1965 Martell, Lt. L. A., 5914 Military Service Classes, 3293, 3356
Exemptions, 3221, 3228, 3279, 3304, 3367 General provisions, 3243, 3252 Great Britain, in, 2908 Regulations, 3316
Reinforcements, need of, 2904, 2915 Selective draft, 2916 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3752 Packages, marking of-inspection and sale,-4069
Parliament, printing of, 5949, 5950
Pensions, 6008
Railway, Act, The, 3548
Rifles, importations of, 1125
Rural mail carriers, 3643
Shipbuilding, 1584, 5449
Soldiers,
Parcels for, 3644 Returned, 1586 Votes for, 4775, 4832 Widow's of, 3805 Stayner public building, 5412 Taxation, proposals of the Government, -	2912
Telegraphs and telephones, 3548 War
Canada's part in the, 2906 Prosecution of, 1576 War-time Elections Bill, 5762, 5845 Currie, Col. J. A., M.P., military position and pay of, 595
Currie, General, despatch from, 4510 Customs
Bonded goods, shipments of, 1854 Department
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Minister of, private car for, 5082 Preventive service, 1881 Revenue cruisers, 1881 Unclaimed goods, disposal of, 3743
Customs Act Amendment Bill
Duties payable on Crown's goods. Res., 1978. lr., 1985.	2r., 2119. Com., 2121.
Rep., 2136.	3r., 2137
Customs Tariff,
Alcohol, proposed free admission for hospital use, 5103 Apples, 1472, 1615 Bags and sacks, 1867 Beans for seed, 671 Bran and middlings, 1867 British preference, proposed increase, 1776 Crown, goods of the, dutiable. See Customs Act Amendment Bill Farm implements, 1686, 1708 Fertilizer, 1709
Food, proposed additions to the free list, 1776-1790 Gasolene, 1675 Hospital supplies, 5103 Imperial Munitions Board imports, 1978 Provincial governments, duties payable by, See Customs Act Amendment Bills
Dagneau, John F., position of, 1471 Dairying. See Agriculture Dalhousie, N.B., militia buildings, 454 Danis, Joseph Maximilian, employment of, 2618
Davidson, Mr. Avard L. (Annapolis)
Army, soldiers, voting of, 4709, 4712, 4772 Carroll, Lieut. W. F„ M.P., 6066 Douglas, Captain J. M„ M.P., 6066 Ellis, Captain J. F„ M.P.P., 6066 Neely, Captain D. B., M.P., 6066 Nova Scotia public works, 5320 Ralston, Major J. L., M.P.P., 6067 Schaffner, Mr. L. P., dismissal of, 441 Taxation, income, 4136 Telegraph and telephone lines,, 5376 War-time Elections Bill, 5733, 5737
Davidson, Hon. Sir Charles, Kt., Commissioner
Payments to, 898 Report of, 249, 524
Davies Company. See Food: Investigation Dawson post office, 4952, 5313 Daylight Saving Bill, lr., 2'56; 2r., 2945, 3677; com., progress reported, 3687 Dean, Lieutenant R. I., position of, 5703 Decoders. See Censors
" Defeat or Victory," book, question as to prohibition of, 1473
Defence of Canada. See Militia and Defence Delisle, Mr. Michel S. (Portneuf)
Chicoutimi, pure bred animals at, 4152 Desertions from army, 338 Dillon, Mr. G. A., 4061 Dorchester County Railway, 5361 Fiset, Theophile, 1959 Gazelle, Noel, enlistment of, 337 Grenier, Mr. Armand, 3757 Lacasse, Mr. Isidore, 5272 Lewis, Mr. J. H., 2944 Military Service Bill, 3064 Transcontinental railway, Portneuf claims, 1571
157th Battalion, 5272
Demers, Mr. M. Joseph (St. John and Iberville)	,
Auditor General's report, 1469 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 5078
Military Service Bill, 2561 Authority of Parliament, 2561 Motives of the Government, 2563 Referendum proposals, 2567 Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. J. H. Rainville)
Address to Mr. V iviani, 1361
Election of, 334
Rulings and statements of
Bills-Sections allowed to stand not discussable, 4752
Censored publications, quotations in Parliament from, 5493	1
Irrelevancy, 2362, 2374,' 5235, 5237 Money vote, how amendable, 521 Ways and means, second amendment to motion for, 1319
Descarries, Mr. Joseph A. (Jacques Cartier) Address in reply to the Governor General's speech, 12
Tributes to deceased members, 13 The Allies' part in the war, 14 Conscription, 14
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Dominion Canners Company, 1105, 1289 Dominion Day; fiftieth anniversary. See Confederation
Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bills
General (No. 107, Mr. Roche), lr„ 2832. 2r., 3793. Com., 3793
Patents (No. 12, Mr. McCraney), lr., 159. Withdrawn. 1157 Dominion Lands and Parks
Animals in, 1359 Estimates, 1344, 4917 Forest reserves, 1349 Officials, 1675 See Parks
Dominions, overseas, constitutional relations of, 1528, 1531
Dominions Royal Commission, 599, 2338 Donaldson, Mr. Samuel J. (Prince Albert) Army camps, sale of liquor in, 816 Dorchester county election, 92. Ill, 120, 146, 173, 208, 255, 293
Dorchester County Railway, 5361 Dorchester, N.B.
Penitentiary. See Penitentiaries Wharf, 3874
Douglas, Mr. James M. (Strathcona)
Apples, duty on, 1472, 1715
Army, forestry battalions, 3950
Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3805
Flour, price of, 5211
Gasolene, duty on, 1675
Grain
Elevators, 3705 Wheat, fixing of price of. 3705 Military Service Bill, 3051 Patriotic Fund allowances, 3952 Tariff revision, 1714 War-time Elections Bill, 5604 Douglas, Captain J. M., position of, 6066 Drake, steamship, duty on cargo of, 4245 Dredging. See Public Works Dropped order. See Parliamentary Procedure Drummond, T. J., steamer, 669, 4925, 4939 Dry Dock Subsidies Act Amendment Bill. Res., 4455. lr., 5771.	2r„ 5887. Com.,
5915. 3r„ 5918
Dubreuil, Mr., dismissal of. 3635 Dussault, Mr. Albert, employment of, 457 Dynamite outrages Arrests in Montreal, 5423 Atholstan, Lord, 5423 Bigras, GedSon, 5360 East Bay wharves, 5315 Eaton, Ernest, enlistment of, 3419 Volume I:	1-1124.
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Edwards, Mr. J. W. (Frontenac)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 204 The war, 204
Political patronage in purchase of war supplies, 205
Patriotic Fund separation allowances, 207
Military appointments, 207 Maritime Province elections, 207 The Dorchester compaign, 208 Recruiting in Quebec. 213, 221 Statements of the leader of the Opposition, 218, 220
Naval policy of Liberal party, 219 Extension of term of Parliament-votes for soldiers, 223 National ideals, 224 Bran and shorts, duty on, 1875 Budget, 1209
The record of the Liberal party, 1209 Canada's trade, 1211 Free wheat, 1212 Vessels for carrying flour, 1213 Free trade, 1214 Scarcity of food, 1216 Improvement of highways, 1217 The leader of the Opposition, 1219 Proposed general election, 1220 Cattle. British embargo on, 922 Censorship, 5943 Dorchester co'u nty election, 208 Experimental farms, 2055 Food, scarcity of, 712, 1216 Free wheat, 1212 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5500 High cost of living, 712, 1216 Highways, improvement of, 1217 Home defence recruiting officers, 3134 Horses, glandered, 2056 House of Commons stenographers, 5789 Immigration agents, 4914, 5361 Judges' salaries, 5799. See, under this head. Supreme Court Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 2619 Mail clerks, French-speaking, 5272 Military districts Nos. 3 and 10, 455 Military service, 2715, 3221 National service cards, 667, 713
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Parcel post service, 3634 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4211, 4214 Party records, 2373 Patriotic Fund, 207, 595, 3951 Penitentiaries Portsmouth, 3418 Report of inspector of, 3419 Salaries of officials, 6033 Pensions, 6012
Post office signs-language in which written, 5999 Potatoes, 5987 Pugsley, Lieut. J. A., 4895 Quebec and military service, 2719-2728 Recruiting, 213, 221, 569 Rural mail routes, 1959 Shipbuilding, 1213, 1670 Soldiers
Pay and pensions of, 3216, 6012 Voting of, 223, 4807, 4895 Storage elevators, 2099
Supreme Court-allowance to Chief Jus-* tice, 6049 Taxation of wealth, 2728 Unclaimed bank balances, 1010 Votes for soldiers, 223, 4807 War-time Elections Bill. 5570, 5678, 5742, 5873 [DOT]	[DOT]
Eggs, imports and exports of, 1573 Elaine, steamer, 1379 Elevators. See Grain.
Ellis, Captain J. F., position and pay of, 6066 El rose, Sask., mail service, 899.
Elliot, Mr. George A. (North Middlesex) Soldiers, votes for, 1387 Emigration
Restrictions on Canadians of military age, 1726, 1775
United States, to, 987, 3285 See also Immigration Esquimalt dock yards, 5915 Estevan, Canadian Government Steamship, purchase of provisions for, 4923 Estimates. See titles of Departments and subjects
Ethier, Mr. J. A. C. (Two Mountains) Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5019, 5112
Food requirements, 2869 Military service, 2863 Labour, attitude of, 2871 St. Jerome post office, 899 War-time Elections Bill, 5826 Exchequer Court. See Supreme Court, etc., Bill
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1422.
Excise. See Inland Revenue Expeditionary force. See Army Experimental farms. See Agriculture.
Faguy, Gaudiose. dismissal of, 2284 False Creek dredging, 900, 1126 Farm labour. See Labour Farmers
Employment of soldiers by, 1677 Loans to. See Bank Act Amendment Bill Western, relief for. See Grain Farmers Bank
Depositors, proposed reimbursement of, 4508
Shareholders of, 301
Farming industry, development of, 1776, 1786.
See also Agriculture Fiddlers See " The Fiddlers"
Finance
Debt of Canada, 347 Department
Estimates, 578, 1790, 6289 Staff and salaries, 1796, 5289 Gold, handling of, 1796
Income and expenditure of Canada, 274, 718, 723, 745, 846
Interest. See Interest Act Amendment Bill Loans
Dominion, $100,000,000
Cost of issue, 342, 435, 4957 Proceeds from, 4416, 4621. See Public Service Loan Bill
Farmers, to. See Bank Act Amendment Bills
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway, 5292 Quebec harbour. See that title Fiset, Theophile, payments to, 1959 Fish and fisheries
Advisory Board, 2151 Bait, 2036
Bounties to fishermen, 457 Canneries
Licenses for operation of, 3399 See Meat and Canned Foods Act Amendment Bill and Fisheries Act Amendment Bill
Committee on supply of, 3400 Department
Appointments, 2149 Estimates, 2149 Development of industry, 2037 Dogfish, 2176 Exhibit at Toronto, 2033 Export of, 454 Herring, 2036


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Inspection, 2035
Inspector Fisher, 2170 Investigation of problems, 5288 Laws, violation of, 2389 Licenses, 2051, 2182 Lobsters, 2049, 2117, 2154, 4171, 5425 Marketing, 2037, 2042 Ministry of, proposed, 2026 Officers, 2151, 2157, 2161 Oysters, 2174 Patrol service, 2183 Protection service, 4163, 4166, 4170 Salt for curing purposes, 1027, 1319, 1373, 2044, 2290, 3556 Sardine fisheries, 4168 Telephone method of fishing,* 2176 Transportation, 2031, 2042, 3392, 3556, 4933 Trawlers, steam, 300 Whitefish, 2159
Fisheries Act Amendment Bill. Res, 2116. lr„ 2118. 2r„ 2149. Ref, to Com., 2149. Com., 3399. 3r„ 3400
Fisher, Mr. John H. (Brant)
Recruiting in Paris and Burford, 601 Soldiers, votes for, 1386
Flags on public buildings, 4146 Flavelle, Sir Joseph, letter from, 2956, 4010 See O'Connor and Food
Flax industry, 4683 Flour. See Grain Food
Adulteration of, 2387
Bacon and lard, 3915, 5274	.
Beef, exports and imports of, 1574 Butter. See Agriculture Cheese. See Agriculture Control of, 108, 695, 1304, 1313, 1427, 1989, 2076, 2471, 2509, 2580, 3045, 3744 Australia, in, 963 Prices, 3918 Sugar, 1992 Controller
Appointment, 2433
Office and assistants, 3502, 4413, 4414, 4244
Powers of, 3943 See also Food Products Eggs, exports and imports of, 1573 Fish, committee on supply of, 3400 Flour, 700, 1868, 5207 Prices and profits, 1039, 1088, 5085 Yukon, in, 2237 See also Grain.
Imports and exports of, 1573 Inspectors, 607
Food-Con.
Investigations of Mr O'Connor:
Report of, 3652, 3914; inquiry into, 3914, 3744, 4243
Maple sugar and syrup, 1958 Order in Council re sale of, 1273 Packages and containers of, 4065, 4070 Potatoes, 702, 2095. Sea Agriculture Prices and supply of Flour, 700 Sugar, 695
See, under this title, Control and Cofitrollcr Scarcity of. 1216 Sugar, 695, 1957
Supply of, arrangements with British Government, 2260
See also Meat and Canned Foods Act Amendment Bill; Grain; Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bill Forestry
Poplar, conservation of, 3742 Timber, protection of, 1349 White pine, blister rust, 4677 Fortier, Mr. Edmond (Lotbinifire)
Burke, Col. Rev. A. E„ 5704 -Customs, private car for Minister of, 5082 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 3418 Military service, 3067
Public Works Department,-automobile purchase, 2480
Foster, Mr. A. De Witt, government employ of, 303
Foster, Rt. Hon. Sir Gecrge E. (Minister of Trade and Commerce)
Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J., visit to Canada and to House of Commons, 613 Board of Grain Supervisors for Canada, 2236, 3692
Boards of Trade Act, 3657 Canada Temperance Act, 1263 Canada Year Book, 2337 Civil Service-employment of men In higher offices, 1260 Coal, supply of, 4064, 4788 Confederation, fiftieth anniversary of, 1865 Connaught, the late Duchess of, 609 Daylight saving, 2356, 2945, 3677 Dominions Royal Commission, 599, 2338 France, trade relations with, 597, 2309 Fuel controller, appointment of, 2235 Grain
Breweries and distilleries, for, 1185 Congestion in the West, 340 Elevators, 2334, 3707, 3710, 3689 Prices, fixing of, 3689, 4564 Hay, inspection and grading of, 3402 Industrial and scientific research, 5276 Joffre, General-visit to Canada, 613
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Proportional representation, 911 Public works expenditure, 5343 Quebec and Saguenay Railway bondholders, 669
Railway Act, the, 605, 3420-3453, 3522 Railways-material for use in France, 335, 1833
Recruiting, 375, 568, 2573 Ross rifle, 482
Royal Military College, 5310 Senate, appointments to, 928 Soldiers
Cessation of working pay, 457 Returned, appointment of to government positidns, 1850, 1858, 6054 Voting of, 4793, 4834 Taxation
Income, 1631, 3771, 4073, 4104 Land, 1629 Wealth, 2576, 3461 Telegraphs and telephones, 3545 Telephone lines, government, 5364, 5382 Trade and Commerce Commissioners, 2327 Transcontinental railway operations, 1573 War charities, 378, 5485 War, prosecution of the, 2320 War-time Elections Bill, 5589, 5674, 5686, 5693, 5729-5771, 5856 Wheat, free, 642 Grain and grain products
Bran and middlings, 1867, 4468 Breweries and distilleries for, 1176 Commission, Chairman of, 3711 Congestion of in the "West, 340 Diseases-rust, 2063 Elevators, 986, 2099, 2334 Claims of employees, 386 Facilities, 4189 Operation of, 3705
Flour, sales of between Canada and United States, 5273 Freight rates on, 2210 Grading of, 1265 Middlings, duty on, 1867 Rust, 2063 Seed
Eastern Canada for, 1150, 1188 Payment for advances, 1126 Purchase of, 4677, 4916, 4924 Supervisors. See Board of Grain Supervisors	<	[DOT]
Transportation of, 1682, 3396, 3412, 3712 Wheat >
Commission, 1381 Exportation of prohibited, 3882 Free, 729, 747-756, 850, 864-884, 889 Prices, fixing of, 3688, 4687, 4887, 4926, 5206, 5218, 6000


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Surplus, purchases of, 1126 Telegram from Non-Partisan League, on, 4512, 4564, 4661 United States tariff on, 1342 Grande Prairie immigration hall, 1575, 1817 Grand Trunk Pacific Branch Lines Company Bills
1.	Bill No. 33 (Mr. Currie) lr„ 585; -withdrawn, 667
2.	Bill No. 41 (Mr. Currie) lr., 843; 2r., 896;
com., 1375; 3r.,.1445 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway
Financial statements respecting, 4058 Loan to. 5292
Removal of rails from, 5293 Report of Drayton-Acworth Commission, 4011
Gravel, Lieut. Ged£on, 1674 Gravelle, Mr.^Oscar, position of, 1226 Great Britain, military service in, 2908 See Army Act
Great War Veterans Association, 1574
Green, Mr. Robert F. (Kootenay)
Railway Act, The, 3514, 3542, 3545 Telegraphs, provisions governing, 3542 Grenier, Mr. Armand, employment of, 3757 Grey, Ambrose, employment of, 1818 Grilse, H.M.C.S., 4563 Grosse Isle quarantine station, 5306 Guthrie, Mr. Hugh (South Wellington)
Bags and sacks, duty on, 1S73 Bran and shorts, 1874
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5035
Coalition government, 2463 Enlistment, voluntary, 2454 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5502, 5903 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1179 Military service, 2452
Personal, attitude respecting, 3721 Tribunals, 3300 Soldiers
Returned, care of, 470 Voting of, 4410 Tariff revision, 1780 Taxation
Income, 1783, 2453 Wealth, 2453
War-time Elections Bill, 5598 Windsor immigration officer, 2357 Guysborough public building, 5914 Gwatkin, General, administration of military affairs by, 4419
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Hardy, Lieut. M. R., 4509 Intoxicating liquor, 4396, 4404
Carriage on government railways, 591 James Simmonds Co., 5122 Labourers from the United States, 1193 Machine guns, 452
Magdalen islands steamship service, 2302 McQueen, Lieut. W. A., 4503 Military District No. 6, 5237 Military service, 2971 Referendum, 2977 Moffatt, Lieut. R. J., 5361 Potatoes
Marketing of, 5989 Powdery scab, 2269 Prince Edward Island Medical officers, 4563 Patriotism of men of the province, 2974 Railway, widening of, 3902, 3945 Steamship service, 660, 3954 Princess Louise Fusiliers officers, 5271 Quebec, recruiting in, 2972, 2977 Ross rifle, 235 Shipbuilding, 1335 Souris breakwater, 3871 Steamship services, 2326 United Mine Workmen of Nova'Scotia, 802 War-time Elections Bill, 5664 Hughes, Sir Sam (Victoria, Ont.)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 253
Appreciation of British military assistance, 253
Personal attitude and policy, 254, 271 Col. Armand Lavergne, 256 Dorchester campaign. 255 Canadian troops in the South African war, 256
Troubles in administration of military affairs, 256
Status of Canadian forces, 259 Military equipment, 262 Appointment of General Steele, 264 Method of purchasing war supplies, 265 Disposition and command of Canadian forces, 268 Recruiting. 269
Canadian industries and the war, 270 Army
Badges of identification, 5953 Canteens, 808
Enlistment, voluntary, 2434-2449 Medical service, 537, 4199, 4466 Recruiting
Correspondence with Prime Minister, 3090
Officers in Quebec, 3135 Rejected men, 3099
Hughes, Hon. Sir Sam-Con.
Soldiers, voting of, 4898 60th Battalion, 525 Bruce, Dr., report of, 602 Canadian overseas forces Despatch of to the front, 574 Disposition and command of, 288 Status of, 259 Canteens, open, 536 Currie, Mr. J. A., statement of, 5773 Hospitals, military-Bruce and Babtie commissions, 538
Irish, Mr. Mark, statements of, 2707
Ler.~ard. General, 368
Maclean. Mr. A. K., statements of, 2777
Military equipment, 262
Military Service, 3135
Authority of Canada, 2435 Classes, calling out by, 3137 Compulsion, advantages of, 2438 Correspondence with Prime Minister, 2434, 2446, 2449 Labour, requirements of, 2441 Recruiting, alleged retarding of, 2442 Officers
Reversion in rank-pay in such cases, 5423
Unemployed, 573
Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4198, 4207, 4419, 4422, 4444 Administrative staff, 4956, 4959 Pay and Records Office, 3106 Recruiting, 269, 366, 379
Correspondence with Prime Minister, 2446
Lessening of, reasons for, 2442 Resignation of, 602 Ross rifle, 416, 480-493, 2451 Steele, General, appointment of, 264 Von Donop, Stanley, 523 War supplies, method of purchasing, 265 Hughes, Brig.-Gen. W. S., position of, 5361 Hyde, Mr. J. W., position of, 301 Hydrographic surveys, 4173 immigration Agents, 1737, 1754
Clergymen and priests employed as, 5361 Montreal, 5122 Quebec, 5122
United States, in, 4914, 5361 Chinese. See Chinese Immigration Act Amendment Bill
Department, estimates, staff and salaries, 4914	[DOT]
Deportation and rejection, 803 Figures, 803
Forms, printing of in French, 899, 3133, 3134	.	.
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French-Canadians in the United States, 4914
Hindu, 1763 Inspection, 803
Military service, exemption of immigrants from, 1572 Officers
Salaries, 2245 Windsor, at, 2357 Quarantine stations, 5306, 5312 Regulations, 372, 525 Regulations, Chinese immigration, 447 Rejection of undesirables at N. B. ports, 454
Rimouski, immigrants landed at, 4151 United States, from, 1739, 1747 See also Emigration
Imperial Munitions Board
Clerks, 305
Construction of ships by, 1661, 1663, 1913 Imports, 1978 Labour, 1985 Employees, 5271
Imperial preference, 1532, 1584
Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial War Conference
Adjournment of Parliament, 117, 596, 603 Announcement of meeting, 42 Attendance of Canadian Prime Minister, 597, 603, 1525
Correspondence with Colonial Secretary, 5, 24
Minutes of, extracts from, 2354 Proceedings of, 1525 Cattle embargo, 1535
Dominions overseas, constitutional relations of, 1528, 1531
Development and control of natural resources, 1532 Imperial preference, 1532 India, representation of, soldiers' graves, 1534
References to, 15, 24, 42, 148, 294 Statements by British Prime Minister, 2354 Statement by Mr. Hazen, 1556
Imperial War Graves Commission, 1534
Income War Tax Bill. Res., 3765. lr., 3793. 2r., 4070. Com., 4070, 41Q_2, 4124.	3r.,
4638. Senate amdts., 5475; no precedent, 5476, 5883; amendment proposed: Mr. Pardee, 4639; ruled out, 4648
India, representation of,-Imperial War Conference, 1534
Indians
Agents, Bear River, 1569 Department of Indian Affairs, estimates, 1891, 2340, 2346 Lands of, 1887, 2348, 2389 Cutting timber on, 1889, 1901 Surveys of, 1894
Valuation and protection of, 1887 See also3 under this head, Provinces and Reserves Provinces, in
British Columbia, 653, 1896, 2340 New Brunswick, 1889 Northwest Provinces and Territories, 1894
Nova Sdotia, 1887, 2349 Ontario, 1886 Quebec, 1886 Reserves, 989 Blackfoot, 2389 Gaughnawaga, 1735 Digby, 304 Edmunston, 4920 Kitsilano, 1129, 1899 Okanagan, 1378, 2341 Sydney, 3663
Royal Commission, British Columbia, 653, 1038, 1896
Industrial and Scientific Research Bureau
Advisory council, 5279 Expenses, 5276
See. also Research Council Bill and Technical education
Industrial Disputes Investigation Act. See
Labour
Industrial requirements See Labour Inland Revenue
Department
Appointments in 1916, 758 Employees at Montreal, 758 Estimates, 2360, 3817 Expenditure, 2380 Preventive, officers, 3837, 3847 Staff and salaries, 2360, 3380 Insolvent Traders. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bill.
Res., 4065. lr., 4070. Withdrawn, 5887 Insurance Civil Service, 3503
Premiums of men in military service, 3557 See also Criminal Code Amendment Bills Insurance Act of 1910 Reenactment Bill, lr.,
1724. 2r., 2100. Ref. to Com., 2104. Com., 3848, 4138, 5196. 3r., 5205. Sen. amdts., 5956


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Mr. W. H. Bennett
Bill No 45; lr., 1037; withdrawn, 1157 Bill No. 50; lr., 1568
Intercolonial Railway. See Canadian Government Railways
Interest Act Amendment Bill, lr., 2569. 2r., 3401. Com., 3401.	3r., 3402
Interest on judgments, 900 Interior Department
Appointments to under section 21, 1351 Calgary offices, 668 Estimates, 652, 1344, 1735, 4916 Expenditure, 1344
French-speaking employees of, 2340 Orders in Council relating to, 6000 Political activity of employees, 2349 Internal Economy Commission, 45 International Fisheries Commission, 892 International surveys, 1735 Interprovincial bridges, 3888 Intoxicating liquors
Army camps, in See Army Manufacture and sale of, 454 Prohibition of, 2008
See also "The Fiddlers" and Canada Temperance Act
Prosecutions for sale of, 1575 Sale of, 3818
See also Provincial Prohibitory Legislation
Inverness harbour improvements, 5325 Irish-Canadian Rangers. See Army Jack, Mr. E. Bryden, position of, 4508 Jaffray, Mr. J. P„ position of, 4062 Jails. See Penitentiaries Jameson, Mr. Clarence (Digby)
Fisheries, proposed ministry of, 2026 Military Service Bill, 2969 Soldier Settlement Board, 3784 Technical education, 1243 James Simmonds Co., The, purchase of goods from, 5122
Jamesville breakwater, 5328 Jenkins, Lieut.-Col. S. R., duties and pay of, 5422
Joffre, General, 613
Judges Act Amendment Bill. Res., 1973. lr., 1978.	2r., Com., 2136.	3r„ 2137. Sen.
amdt., 5954, 6062 Judgments, interest on, 900
See Interest Act Amendment Bill Justice
Administration of, 1805 Baugh, Edward Levi, case of, 1814
Justice-Con.	-
department, estimates, 1805,- 5097. 6794,
*	5896, 6033, 6049
Exchequer Court Cases, 335 Expenses, 1811 Publications, 5804 Judges
Appointment of, 1806 Provincial commissions, on, 593 Salaries, 1973, 5798, 5954 Saskatchewan and Ontario, 1973 Yukon, 5896
Minister of, payments to, 898, 1225 Provincial legislatures, powers of. 1807, 1811 Supreme Court, Chief Justice of, special allowance to, 6049 Kay, Mr. William F. (Missisquoi)
Ballots for overseas forces, 452 Food Controller's office,employees, 3502 Foster, Mr. A. Be Witt, 303 Fuel Controller, staff of, 4245 Oleomargarine, prohibition of, 304 Parliament buildings, marble for, 2833 War profits and income tax-cost of collection, 4686
Kelly, Thomas, treatment of in penitentiary, and release of, 896, 4926, 5273, 5794 Kemp, Sir Edward (Minister of Militia and Defence)
Army	_
Camps, sale of liquor in, 815 Discharges, 3096 Enlistments Total, 3098 Voluntary, 3381 Forestry battalions, 3950 Medical service, 3967 Officers
Pay of, 1628
Retention of on leave, 5902 Salutes to, 5425 Surplus, 3103
Pay and Records office staff, 3104
Rejected men, 3099
Soldiers
Behaviour of, 5235 Personal requests concerning, 4203 Separation allowances, 4203 Civil servants, enlisted, pay and separation allowances to, 663 Expeditionary Force, disposition of, 2356 Home defence campaign, 2628 Irish-Canadian Rangers, 195 Lens, valour of Canadian soldiers at, 5195 Military service, 2620, 3239 Classes, 3357
Discharges from army, 3096 Exceptions, 3270
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Canadians in Imperial forces, to, 4688 Prisoners of war, 666
Money orders and parcels for, 714 Recruiting, 562
British subjects in the United States, 2482
Quebec, in, 2626
War affairs, Government, administration of, 3381
War Purchasing Commission, purchases by, 341
156th Battalion, 523
Kentville armoury
Caretaker, 4509 Militia stores, 4510
Knight, Mr. N. H. R., position of, 4952
Knowles, Mr. William E. (Moosejaw)
Army
Officers' wives, passports for, 3996 Soldiers, votes for, 4690, 4806, 4877 Budget, 887 Free wheat, 889
Canada Grain Act, proposed amendment, 2954	.
Canadian Government railways Private cars, 4938
Intercolonial, appointment of officials, 659 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of. 4637, 5022
Civil Service salaries, 2946 Coal, shortage of, 2294 Western supply of, 4621 Coalition government, 2901 Daylight saving, 3686 Farming industry, development of, 1787 Flax industry, 4683 Flour prices, 5214 Food control, 2002 Free wheat, 889 Gordon Divorce Bill. 5498 Immigration
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Shipbuilding, British Columbia, 4940 Tariff revision, 1785 Taxation, income, 4075, 4105 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2614
Toronto Telegram, statement of, 5085 Trade and Commerce Department, estimates, 2338 War charities, 5493
War-time Elections Bill, 5637, 5658, 5721, 5810, 5818, 6083
Kyte, Mr. George W. (Richmond)
Address in reply to the Governor General's _ Speech, 195
Appointment of Senators for Nova Scotia, 196
The high cost of living-war profits, 197 National Service Commission, 200 [DOT]' Resignation of ex-Minister of Militia, 201 Canadian Army Medical Service, 201 Separation allowances, 203 Political patronage in military affairs, 203 Army
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Cost of living, O'Connor Commission report, 700, 961, 3911, 4010 Flour, 1039 Food control, 961, 988 Customs Department officials, 5101 Dawson post office, 4952 Dredge Cape Breton, loss of, 596, 1024, 3881 East Bay wharves, 5315 False Creek dredging, 900, 1126 Fish and fisheries, 2050 Advisory Board, 2152 Dogfish, 2179 Officers, 2157, 2161 Flags on public buildings, 4146 Flint, Dr., retirement of, 6044 Flour, price of, 1039 Food control, 1998
Fraser river channel improvements, 1126 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5904 Heals station rifle range, 1573 Imperial Munitions Board Labour, 1985 Inland Revenue Department officials, 2377 Intercolonial railway - improvement of grades, 456 Judges' salaries, 1974 Leblanc, Dr. B. A., 2283. 4416 Lewis machine guns, 590 Louisburg
Censors, 4008 Pilot Commissioners, 3677 Wireless station. 5122 Macdonald, Dr. J A., 2283 Mail contracts, 3636, 3639 Maritime Provinces military affairs, 5228 Military District No. 6, 5228 Military Hospitals Commission, 4243 Military service Exemptions, 5271 Tribunals, 3158
Militia Department Estimates, 5221 National Service Commission, 200 Naval Service officers at Halifax, 6000 Neilly, Dr., position of, 2707 Nova Scotia public works, 5315, 5324 O'Connor report, 4010
Ogilvie Flour Mills Company, Limiter, 1818, 2389, 3677
Ottawa Journal-Press-correction of statement, 3759
Pacific Dredging Company, 1126 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4211 Pensions, 6018
Point Tupper mail service, 3502 Pommery, Mr. Samuel, 4952 Port Malcolm wharf, 3866
Kyte, Mr. G. W.-Con.
Proportional representation, 915 Rainbow, H.M.C.S., sinking of vessels by, * 457
Recruiting, 2482
Returned soldiers, appointment of to gov-eernment positions, 6055 Richmond county medical officers, 3758 Ross rifle factory, taking over of by the Government, 663 Salt, shortage of, 3556 Shipbuilding, 5434 Steamship services, 2325 Sydney industrial sites, 3956 Taxation
Business profits, 965 Income, 4115, 5291
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5336 Turner, Mr. Harvey, 1469 Urquhart, Mr. Hector, 5367 Vancouver drill hall site, 456 War supplies
Munitions contracts, 5526 Purchase of, 4053 Waterford explosion, 5775 Women munitions workers, 4053 Yukon
Administrator, 5122 Commissioner, 3677
Labour
Attitude of on military service, 2426, 2488, 2451, 2604, 2663, 2795, 2871, 2958, 3725, 3732
Australian labour troubles, 698 Bureaus, 118 Chinese labourers, 2139 Conditions on munition work, 2492 Department administration, 1269
Assistant Deputy Minister, abolition of office of, 686
Estimates, 686, 1112, 1166, 1989, 3652 Staff and salaries, 686 See also Mines and Minerals, Coal Fair wages and inspection officers, $652 Farm labourers from the United States, 665, 1193, 1740, 1747, 3504, 4512	-
Government elevators, claims by employees, 386
Imperial Munitions Board, 1985 Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1112, 1166, 1270
Military service, attitude to See under this head Attitude Strikes. See Coal and Thetford Brantford moulders, 2322 Sorel strike, 1912, 1935 Yukon miners, 3086 Thetford mines. See that title
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Quebec's contribution of men, 3256 Recruiting, 2772 Quebec electoral lists, 6002 Senate Hansard, cost of, 1571 War-time Elections Bill, 5621, 5639, 5722, 5741, 5759, 5865
Laporte, Mr. Hormidas, payments to, 4510
Latchford, Ont., plant and buildings, sale of, 5706
Laurentian, steamer, 4563
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid (Quebec, East) Address in reply to, the Governor General's Speech, 17
Canada's Governor General, 17 The war situation, 18 German peace proposals, 19 Our soldiers at the front, 20 Laxity of present administration, 20 Control of our military forces, 20 Equipment of Canadian troops, 23 The fiftieth Anniversary of Confederation, 24
Imperial War Conference, 24 Amqui-St. Leonard mail contract, 3903 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 813 Control of, by Canada, 20 Discharges, 3111 Equipment, 23 Recruiting
Quebec, in, 2395 Retarding of, 3094 Rejected men, 3101 Soldiers, voting of, 2403, 3727 Army Act, regulations, 3111 Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J., address to, 1772 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 4216, 4625, 4635, 5128 Capital punishment, 622 Coalition government, 3727
Correspondence with Sir Robert Borden, 2690
Confederation, fiftieth anniversary of, 24 Connaught, the late Duchess of, 610 Daylight saving, 3681 Defence of Canada, 358 Fisheries protection service, 4166 Galt, Mr. Justice Report of, 2057
Rogers, Hon. Robert, criticism of, by, 599 Government Railways Act amendment, 4384 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Branch Lines ' Company, 1375
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Speaker's quarters, 5784 Imperial War Conference, 24 Adjournment of Parliament, 118 Visit of Prime Minister to, 1542 Insurance, 3848 Intoxicating liquor, 4397 Landry, Mr. Justice, report of, 4152, 5250 Mace, vote of thanks to donors of, 1469 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 2357, 5245 Members, deceased, tributes to, 4 Migratory birds, 3657 Military Service, 3111, 325-4 Appeals, 3177 Board of Selection, 5084 Burden of Proof, 3319 Classes, 3132, 3140
Conscription, need of, considered, 2396 Contraventions of Act, 3324, 3337 Exceptions, 3559 Exemptions, 3207, 3362 Labour, attitude of, 3725 Men, available, 3724 Parliament, power of, 2392, 3723 Persons liable for service, 3116 Quebec enlistments, 2398 Referendum, 2403, 3721, 3728 Senate amendments, 4663 Tribunals, 3149, 3165, 3296, 3575, 5880 Votes for soldiers, 3727 Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 4668 National Service Commission, 309 Newsprint paper, 757
Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4195 Parliament
Extension of term of, 2396, 3420, 3484 Printing of, 5950, 5952 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4195, 4206 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5972 Point of order-Hon. Robert Rogers' reference to Mr. Justice Galt, 599 Prisoners, proposed enlistment of, 1014 Quebec and Saguenay Railway purchase and completion of, 303 Quebec harbour advances, 433 Railway Act, the, 606
Railway material, removal of to France, 310, 1372
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The Imperial War Conference, 148 The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 150
Alcohol, distilling of, 3743 Angers, Captain, dismissal of, 758 Anglo-French delegates, visit of to Canada, 669 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 806, 840, 1226 Demobilization, plans for, 3118 Enlistment, 2463-2478 Recruiting in Quebec, 363, 3136 Recruits, urban and rural, 3135 Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 690 Bell, steamer, 1377 Brindle, Mr. William, 3758 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4043, 4217, 4278, 4554, 4600-4619, 5046 5184
Cattle, British embargo on, 987 Civil Service insurance, 3503 Civil Service salaries, 583, 1804, 2241 Enlisted men, pay of, 2254 Coal
Confiscation of by railways, 584 Ottawa prices of, 1320 Cold storage, 2076 Courcelette, steamer, 1377 Criminal Code amendments, 4464 Jurors, 4306 Customs
Duties payable on Crown's goods, 2127 Silks, valuation of for customs, 1574 Customs and immigration forms, 3133, 3134 "Defeat or Victory," 1473 Dorchester county election, 146 Dynamite outrages in Montreal, 5423 Elevator men, pay of, 2946 Exhibitions, 2260
Farmers' Bank, shareholders of, 301 Fish, transportation of, 3556 Foodstuffs, control of, 2471 France, promotion of trade with, 597, 2307 French-Canadians in the United States, 4914
French-speaking employees, Department of Agriculture, 2264 Gaspe steamship service, 2299 Gerrie, Mr. Charles, 4245 High cost of living, 2055, 2077 Hudson Bay railway, 5090 Immigration Agents, 1760
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Hindus, of, 1763, 2144 Japanese, of, 2144
Indians-Caughnavraga hospital, 1385 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 3831 Officials, 3817 Montreal, at, 758
Insurance of war risks, 3557, 3589 Intercolonial railway, cars, shortage of, 1378
Intoxicating liquor Prohibition of, 4401 Sale of, 3819
Jack, Mr. E. Bryden, 4508 Kelly, Thomas, 4926, 5794 Labour bureaus, 118 Laval, steamer, 1470 Lessard, General, 363, 2055 Levis railway, station, 2208 Magdalen Islands Cable service, 5408 Steamship service, 2303	.
Mail matter, registration of, 668 Matane Harbour light, 1575 McWilliams, Mr,, dismissal of, 2167 Military service
Burden of proof, 3318 Contraventions of Act, 3329 Enlistment - Canada compared with United States and France, 2463 Exceptions, 3560 Exemptions, 3131 Insurance of soldiers, 3557, 3589 Militia Act, provisions of, 2465 Persons liable to serve, 3117 Pledges of government, 2467 Quebec's position, 2473, 3137 Referendum, 2478 Regulations, 3316 Tribunals, 3158
Mining industry, development of, 4181 Mitchell, Private J. F., death of, 1377 Montreal postmaster, 523, 581 O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ report of, 3746 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4202, 4420, 4442 Parcel post, 2075
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4202, 4207, 4212, 4420
Parliamentary sessions, expense of, 1262 Quebec harbour advances, 577 Improvements, 3879
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix; Quebec and Saguenay, and Lotbiniere and Megantic Railways, 4848, 5454 Railway Act, The, 3514, 3716 Railway company, advance to, 2100
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Income, 3776, 4071, 4086 Wealth, 2469
Technical education, 1229, 1252 Telegraph service, 2108, 2113 Thompson, Mr., employment of, 4008 Vaudreuil bridge, 3888 Victoria bridge toll rates, 672 War, prisoners of, 4194 War-time Elections Bill, 5550, 5633, 5641 Washington Conference, Canadian delegates to, 1127
West Indies, promotion of trade with, 2289 Wharves, 1944
Lens, valour of Canadian soldiers at, 5195 Lessard, General, position and services of, 363, 365, 368, 2055 Levis railway station, 1129, 2208 Lewis, Mr. J. H., position of, 2944 Life insurance, See Insurance Life saving. See Naval Service Liquor. See Intoxicating liquors Little Bras d'Or dredging, 3886 Live Stock, See Agriculture Live Stock and Produce Bill. Res., 4287. lr., 4292. Ref. to Com., 4417. Com., 5503. 3r., 5514
Loans
Farmers, to. See Bank Act Amendment Bills
Public. See Finance Lockhart, Mr. Hugh, employment of, 1265 Lockport Cold Storage Company, 2202 Loggie, Mr. William S. (Northumberland, N.B.)
Budget, 1280
Reply to Mr. Crothers, 1280 Canada's contributions to the war, 1282 Taxation proposals, 1282 Freer trade policies, 1283, 1287 Free wheat, 1286
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Government raliways, branch lines, 2223 Military Service, 2984 Referendum, 2986 Recruiting, 380 Shipbuilding, 1929 Soldiers, voting of, 4778 Steamship service, 2311 Taxation
Business profits, 1645 Income, 4069
Lord's Day Observance Act
Suggested suspension of, 936 Lotbiniere and Megantic Railway Completion and operation of, 4948, 5452 Louisburg
Pilot Commissioners, 3677 Wireless station at, 5122 Louisville post office, 899 Lovett, James, dismissal of, 453, 759 Loyal Orange Order, 85, 91 Macdonald, Mr. E. M. (Pictou)
Address in reply to the Governor Gen' eral's Speech, 47
The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 47
Imperial War Conference, 47 The War, 48	[DOT]
The present Government and 'the war, 49 Extension of term of Parliament, 50 Canada's participation in wars of the Empire, 51 Recruiting, 51.
Political patronage, 52, 55 Conscription, 54
Conditions in military hospitals, 54, 59 Administration of military affairs, 54 Government expenditures, 60 The winning of the war, 61 Aeroplane service, 805, 844 Army
Allowances, separation, 336,	383, 387,
Camps and canteens, 535, 820, 1266 Canteen system in England, 718 Conscription, 54, 893	,
Criticism of military affairs, duty of the Opposition, 571
Enlistment of Canadians in the United States, 3758	'
Hospital No. 8, 1674 Irish-Canadian Rangers, 195, 458
Macdonald, Mr. E. M.-Con.
Medical service, 527, 3962 Pensions, 84i5 Recruiting, 51, 360, 372 Advertising of, cost, 986 State of, 936 Unfit men, of, 697, 4006 United States, in, 3758, 3904 Soldiers
Farms, employment on, 1677 Medical treatment of, 3962 Voting of, 4692, 4704, 4729, 4741, 4786, 4792, 4834, 4876, 4887 Army and Navy Veterans, 5911 Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 688
Babtie, report, Dr. Bruce's reply to, 669 Bull, Mr. Perkins, 1130 Canadian Government Railways Cars, purchase of, 4928 Coal purchases, 664, 667, 3388 United States, in, 592 Employees Magazine, 452 Level crossing near Trenton, 304 Quebec and Saguenay, etc., 5460 Safety-first inspectors, 337 Steamers, purchase of, 669 See under this head Government Railways Amendment Act and Intercolonial Railway
Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 4030, 4283, 4544, 4606-4618, 4628-4632, 4864, 4996, 5124 Carson, Major General, 986 Coal, Western mining of, 159, 614 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4296, 4322
Customs duties on goods of the Crown 1979, 1982
Dominions Royal Commission, 2238 Emigration of Canadians, 987 Food control, 2001, 3744
Supplies for Great Britain, 2260 France, trade with, 2312 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5904	.
Government Railways Act amendment, 4339, 4366, 4386 Grain, 4679
Gwatkin, General, 4419 Heals station rifle range, 1675 High cost of living, 695, 3935 Hospitals, military, 54, 59 Hudson Bay railway expenditure, 900, 5088
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Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1123 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 3825, 3827, 3833, 2842 Expenditure, 2380, 2384 Officials, 2360 Intercolonial Railway Cars, 2226
Employees, promotion of, 779 Operation of, 776 Judges' salaries, 5955 Kentville armoury Caretaker, 4509 Militia stores, 4510 Kitsilano Indian reserve, 1129 Loan ($100,000,000), 4416, 4621 Lobster fishing, 2155, 5425 Master mariners, 4416
Medically unfit persons, certificates to, 5423 Military bands, 4044 Military service, 2947
Board of Selection, 2954 Contraventions of Act, 3339 Exemptions, 2955 Labour, attitude of, 295S Quebec, position of, 2959 Referendum, 2961
Minto, steamship-food supplies, 2179 Munitions contracts, 4928 New Glasgow-Mountville mail service, 1037 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3935 Overseas Military Forces, Ministry of, 4417, 4442
Overseas Militia Department, non-combatr ant positions in, 4786 Parliament, extension of term of, 3478 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5958 Pensions, 6005-6033
Canadians in Imperial Forces, for. 4667 Pictou
Freight, handling of, at, 303 Marine and Fisheries agency, 304, 596, 1937
Rural mail routes, 900 Post Office Department, estimates, 2352 Prince Edward Island Car ferry, 2305 Freight for, 1037 Steamship service, 3389 Prisoners of war, 666
Provincial governments, duties payable by, 2119, 2129
Provincial legislatures, powers of, 1807 Public works expenditure, 1038 Railway Act, The, 3426, 3439, 3441 Railway Department, steamers purchased by, 669______________________
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Robb, P.A., 1572 St. John harbour works, 5894 Scientific and industrial research, 3912 Senate, appointments to, 932 Shipbuilding, 802, 1325, 1341, 1914, 1934, 1661, 5430
Soldiers, votes for, 1393, 1399 Stellarton
Public building, 4951 Postmaster, 669, 897, 3758 Submarine situation, 1320, 1339 Taxation
Business profits, 1641 Income, 1652, 3775, 5884, 5886 Wealth, 3480
Taxation measures; Senate's power to amend denied, 5477 Technical education, 1241 Trade and Commerce, South America, 2331 United States
Labourers from, 665 Tariff, changes in, 1264 Vancouver Harbour Commissioners, 1575 Victoria Sealing Company, 5958 Walsh, J. J., 1675 War charities, 5482 War supplies
Munitions contracts, 5517 Political patronage in purchase of, 4050, 4053
Ross rifle, 477, 479 Trenton, contractors for, 303 Wealth, conscription of, 3480 Yukon territory, 1736 Macdonald, Dr. J. A., employment of, 2283 Macdonald, Mrs. Jessie, separation allowances to, 5361
Macdonell, Mr. A. C. (South Toronto) Military service, 2847
Parliament, authority of, 2848 Quebec situation, 2852 Referendum, 2849 Reinforcements, need of, 2853 Railway Act, The, 3433, 3533 Soldiers, voting of, 2850 Mace, presentation of, 1468 Machine guns. See War supplies
Maclean, Mr. Alexander K. (Halifax) Aldershot camp grounds, 3295, 3419 Apples, embargo on, 5776 Army
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Leave of absence for, 4005 Voting of, 1398, 4702, 4712, 4736, 4741, 4786, 4820, 4876, 4887, 4889, 4914, 5196 Atlantic mail service, 452 Baxter, Leslie E., 3418 Bay State Fish Company, 2321 Budget
Trade and financial condition of Canada, 722
Income and expenditure, 723 Political patronage, 726 Taxation of business profits, 727 Free wheat, 729
Encouragement of production, 733 Canadian Northern Railway, 5057 Censorship, 5493 ' Coal mining, 616
Companies Act Amendment Bills, 843, 1151, 5918, 5942
Customs-bonded goods, 1854 Digby government lands, 2321 Dodge, L. B., payments to, 306 Dredge Cape Breton, 1026 Dry docks, 4458, 5889, 5917 Eaton, Ernest, 3419 Flour, price of, 1059 Food Controller, powers of, 3943 France, trade with, 2314 Government Railways Act amendment, 4361
Halifax and Eastern Railway contractors, 304
Industrial and scientific research, 5281 Intercolonial Railway stations, naming of, 3386
International Fisheries Commission, 892 Letter carriers, salaries of, 581 Loan ($100,000,000), 343 Lockport Cold Storage Company, 2202 Lovett, Mr. James, dismissal of, 453 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5252 Military District No. 6, 5229 Military hospitals, 4045 Military service, 2674 Classes, 3289
Enforcement, immediate, not desirable, 2681
Exemptions, 3218, 3209, 3309 Motor boat Alase, 5360 Moxom, Major, 4415 Muchaboom wharf, 304 Newsprint paper, 1645 Nickerson, William C., 2283 Nova Scotia Patrol Service, 5423 Outlook Publishing Company, 607
Maclean, Mr. A. K.-Con.
Parliament, extension of term of, 3420 Political patronage, 726 Public works expenditure, 5308 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2363 Ross rifle, 423, 426, 478 Salt, shortage of, 1373 Schaffner, Mr. L. P., dismissal of, 438 Scientific and industrial research, 3909, 3957 Senate, appointments to, 924 Shipbuilding, 1669, 5442 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1140
Soldier's cove wharf, 6339 Taxation
Income, 3766, 3767, 4070, 4111, 4124 Business profits, 727, 1660 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5386 United States, head tax on Canadians, 892 Vessels in government service, 1130 War supplies-mattresses and covers, 6065 War-time Elections Bill, 5595, 5637-5702, 5707-5771, 6072 Polling divisions under, 6070 Windsor Junction mail service, 5913
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 130
Party co-operation, 130 National government, 132 Loans to farmers, 134 The winning of the war, 135 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4531
Civil Service, appointments and promotions, 2018 Conscription, 1550
Federal law and its enforcement, 3263 Food control, 3750
Government Railways Act amendment,.4362 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1181 Imperial War Conference, 1548 Letter carriers, 1805 Loans to farmers, 134 Military service, 1550 Enforcement, 3263 Railway Act, The, 3423 Telegraph service, 2109 War supplies, purchases of by British Government, 4952 War-time Elections Act, 5593
MacNutt, Mr. Thomas (Saltcoats)
Aliens, enlistment of, 3656, 4413 Ottawa Journal-Press, statement of, 3655 Parker, Mr. R. G. M., 2201 Soldier Settlement Board, 3790 Tariff revision, 1718, 1727


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pay of, 4292, 4416, 4685 McCoig, Mr. A. B. (West Kent)
Army, soldiers' pay, 3217 Beans for seed, duty on, 671 Cold storage plants, 1628, 2078 Flour, price of, 1063 Food control, 2087 Grain, congestion in the West, 340 Henderson, Mr. Geo. F„ K.C., 4243 Hogs, inspection of, 2271 Cholera, 2273 Loans to farmers, 1965 Military service, 2785 Exemptions, 3218 Potatoes, supply of, 936 Titus, Private John, 2237 Tractor engines, duty on, 674 Training camps in Canada, 899 McCraney, Mr. Geo. E. (Saskatoon)
Alcohol for public institutions, 5103 Army, medical service, 3993 Budget, 949 Taxation, 951
Policies, after the war, 953 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4551, 4633, 5174 Coal, western mining of, 2184 Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bills, 1157, 3805, 3811 Elrose mail service, 899 Fuel, 1417
Homestead patents, delay in, 3759 Immigrants-exemption from military service, 1572
Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1166 Military service, 2558 Enforcement, 2560 Exemptions, 1572, 3221, 3369 Referendum, 2559
Parliament, railway transportation for members of, 3519
Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 300, 683 Railway Act, The, 3519 Seed grain indebtedness, 302, 1126 Soldiers, returned, care of, 475 Soldier Settlement Board, 1164 Taxation, income, 3778, 4075, 4094, 4099 War-time Elections Bill, 5559, 5643-5702, 5712	.
McCrea, Mr. Francis N. (Sherbrooke)
Budget, 1300
Taxation of business profits, 1300 The pulp and paper industry, 1302 Flour, price of, 1069 Horses, purchases of pure bred, 2279 Military service, 3035
McCrea, Mr. F. N.-Con.
Potatoes supply of, 1087 Pulp and paper industry, 1302, 1464 Railway Act, The, 3444 Sherbrooke exhibition grounds, 302 Taxation, business profits, of, 1463 War-time Elections Bill, 5862 McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Parliamentary Secretary, Department of Militia and Defence)
Army camps, sale of liquor in, 833 Military Service Bill, 2890 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4210, 4450 War-time Elections Bill, 6085 McCutcheon, Stanley, dismissal of, 306 McGee, the late Thos D'Arcy, monument to 3899
Mclnnis, Mr. M. A„ assistant to Fuel Controller, 5422
McKee, A. J., steamer, 669, 4925, 4939 McKenzie, Mr. Daniel D. (North Cape Breton)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 78, 83
The attitude of Nova Scotia, 79 Mal-administration of the present Government, 81, 89
Canada's duty in regard to the war, 80 Militia Department affairs and the late Minister, 82
Loyal Orange Order, 85 Political patronage in recruiting, 86 Voting of soldiers, 87 Representation of Cape Breton in the Senate, 89 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 826, 1567 Enlistment of Canadians in British Army, 385
Forestry battalions, 4509 Recruiting, 86
Soldiers' votes, 87, 4729, 4759 Baddeck mail contract, 1819 Bell, Mr. Alexander Graham, 5783 Budget, 1809
Record of the present Administration, 1090
Political patronage, 1092 Purchase of horses in Nova Scotia, 1093 Development and progress under late Administration, 1094
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4039, 4521, 5032, 5162 Civil Service, promotions, 4667 Coal, 2005
Confiscation of by railways, 194
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Criminal Code amendment, jurors, 4305, 4330 Customs
Duties payable on Crown's goods, 2130 Officials, 5100 Preventive service, 1882 Dry docks, 4463 Fish and fisheries Officers, 2170
Development of industry, 2045 Fisher, Mr. Ward, 2170 Flags on public buildings, 4147 Flour, 1879 High price of, 1076 Fuel. 1418
Control of, 2317
Government Railways Act amendment, 4375
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1178 Highland Brigade, 552 House of Commons-messengers, 6053 Imperial Munitions Board clerks, 305 Imperial War Conference, 1565 Indians, 1893
Sydney reserve, 3664 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 2379, 3840 Expenditure, 2379, 2388	*
Officials, 3840 Insurance, 2102, 4393 Intercolonial Railway Boisdale contracts, 4415 Claims, 3416 Operation of, 784 Rates on coal, 4292
Stations at North Sydney, McKinnon's Harbour and Christmas Island, 2227 Sydney train service, 2222 Jamesville breakwater, 5328 Judges' salaries, 1976 Labour, 1174, 1988
Conditions on munition work, 2493 Letter carriers, salaries of, 583 Little Bras d'Or dredging, 3886 Magdalen Islands cable service, 5407 Mail contracts, 3637 Margaree harbour improvements, 5336 Matheson post office, 3502 Military service Appeals, 3185 Burden of proof, 3322 Classes, 3289
Contraventions of Act, 3588 Exemptions, 3232 Labour, attitude of, 2492
McKenzie, Mr. D. D.-Con-Referendum, 2498 Tribunals, 3173
Morton, Dr. A., position of, 5706, 5913 North Sydney
Customs service, 607, 1852 Rail-way station, 2227 Nova Scotia steamship service, 2286 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3753 Investigations of, 3653, 3928 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4424, 4449
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4449 Patenaude, Hon. E. L., resignation of, 2494 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5975 Pensions, 6017
Provincial Governments, duties payable by, 2130	.
Public works-harbour improvements, 4186 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec railways, 5473 Racing Form, The, 306, 336, 896 Railway Act, The, 3533 Railway mail clerks, 3650 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2368 St. Peter's canal, 3406 St. Pierre Miquelon mail service, 3649 Schaffner, Mr. L. P., dismissal of, 443 Shipbuilding, 1566 Soldiers, votes for, 1397 Soldier's cove wharf, 5337, 5341 Soldier Settlement Act, administration of, 4917
Steamship services, 2324, 2286 Submarine situation, 1333 Taxation, income, 4128, 4135, 4658 Technical education, 1-239 Telegraph and telephone lines, 4191, 5362, 5401 War
Charities, 5490, 6062 Expenditure, 549
Supplies, munitions contracts, 5537 War-time Elections Bill, 5606, 5670, 5751, 5841
Wharves, 1945
Wheat, fixing of price of, 3694 Woman suffrage, 1516
McKenzie, Lieut. F. J. S., payments to, 986
McLean, Mr. Angus A. (Queen's, P.E.I.) Prince Edward Island Railway, 3947 Pensions, 6013 Submarine situation, 1327
McLeod-Tellier Commission
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Report of, 4291 Sittings of, 2322, 2357
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McMillan, Mr. John A. (Glengarry)
Cheese purchases by British Government, 1774
Dairying industry, 2256 McNab, Colin C., proposed allowance! to, 578 McNeil, F. C„ payments to, 1380 McNeil, Lt. John D., promotion of, 5272 McQueen, Lieut. W. A., employment of, 4508 McSpadden, Lt.-Col., position of, 2618 McWilliams, Mr., dismissal of, 2165 Magdalen Islands, cable service, 5407 Magladery, Mr. Thomas, M.L.A., position and pay of, 4685 Mails. See Post office Manitoba, County Court judges, 5083 Maple sugar. See Food products Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 109, 119 Canada and the war, 109, 119 The Nationalist party, 109, 120 The Dorchester election, 111, 120 Recruiting in Quebec, 112, 119, 127 Quebec, past and present. 123 National service, 126 The high cost of living, 129 Army, Fifth Canadian Division, 459 Bfeland, Hon. Dr., M.P., 311, 341 Bonaventure
Breakwater, 988 County, mail service, 1126 Recruiting officer, 1675 Campbellton-Gaspe steamship service, 1126, 1228, 1959
Carleton Beach protection works, 1126
Civil Service, salaries, 2238
Court, Private Harry Ivan, 3295
Cross Point -wharf, 988, 1228, 1571
Customs Department, dismissals from, 1844
Dagneau, John F., 1471
Daylight saving, 36S5
Dorchester county election, 111, 120
Elaine, steamer, 1379
Gascons wharf, 2055
Gaspe steamship services, 2325
Government Railways Act amendment, 4343
Hopetown post office, 989, 1474
Interprovincial bridges, 3891
Intoxicating liquors, 2008
Le Blanc, Maurice, 1816
Marcil, Hen. C.-Con.
Marcil, Private Joseph, 893 Maria Beach protection works, 898 Matapedia public highway, 1379, 1816 Migratory birds, 3660 Miguasha wrharf, 1126 Military service Classes, 3354 Exceptions, 3564 Exemptions, 3219, 3307, 3364 Persons liable for service, 3129 Quebec situation, 2428, 3257. See under this head, Quebec Referendum, 2432
Militia Department, employees, 312 Montreal, customs collectorship, 311 Nationalist party, 109, 120 New. Carlisle, wTar expenditure in, 1575 New Richmond post office, 898 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4209 Packages, marking of,-inspection and sale, 4067, 4070 Paspebiac wharf, 898, 988 Paspebiac-Hopetown mail service, 1126 Pratt Bros., payments to, 1570 Prisoners of war, exchange of, 341 Quebec and Oriental railway, 1674 Quebec, recruiting in, 112, 127, 213, 342, 2428 Railway Act, The, 3513 Read, Lance Corporal, 717 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2375 Restigouche river, bridging of, 988 Ross rifle, 422
Ruisseau le Blanc breakwater, 898 St. Charles de Caplan wharf, 898 Separation allowances, 386 Shigawake post office, 898 Shigawake East post office, 988 Shipbuilding, 1921, 1930 Soldier Settlement Board, 3626, 3789 Taxation, income, 4102, 4123, 4130 United States troops, training of in Canada, 2482
War-time Elections Bill, 5641, 5717, 5813 Wharves, 1944
M arcile, Mr. Joseph E. (Bagot)
Budget, 1292
Trade and financial conditions, 1293 The French-Canadian people, 1294 ' Recruiting, 1294 Transcontinental railway, 1295 Government appointments and dismissals, 1296
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4998
House of Commons Accountant's office, lease of premises, 5703 Military Service Bill, 3053 Recruiting, 1294
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Margaree harbour improvements, 3867, 5330 M aria Beach protection works, 898 Marine
Coastal regulations, 1912 Hospitals. See that title Icebreakers, 1818, 1836 Insurance. See that title Life-saving, 1949 Lighthouse and coast service Agencies, 1936 Compressors, sale of, 4920 Lights^ experiments with, 2173 Maintenance and repairs, 1940 Salaries, 1939, 3134, 6049 Signal service, 1942 Maritime road repairs, 1815, 1947 Minto, steamer, food supplies for, 2175 Navigation Aids to, 1940 Obstructions to, 1841 Schools, 1838
Ocean and river service, contracts for provisions, 4923 Pilotage, 4922, 6049 Pilots' pensions, 1948
St. Lawrence signal and telegraph service, 1471
Shipbuilding, 242, 292, 703, 1325, 1342, 1551, 1556, 1565, 1566, 2293
Contracts by Imperial Munitions Board, 1371, 1661, 1663, 1913 Government aid to, 802, 1371 Government vessels, 1912 Vessels under construction, 665, 1686 Wooden, vessels, construction of, 1775, 1924	.
Steamers, government Construction, 1912 Maintenance and repairs, 1836 Revenue cruisers, 1881 Steamship services. See that title Vessels
Commandeering of, 662, 1667 Government service, in, 1130 Investigations into, 1838 Wharves, repairs to, 1943 Marine and Fisheries Department Appointments, 1937
Estimates, 655, 1815, 1836, 1912, 4920, 6049 Pictou agent, 1936 Services of, 2027 Maritime Provinces Elections, 207 Military affairs, 5226
Marlow, Lt.-Col. F. W„ appointment of. 1227 Martel I, Lieut. L. H„ position and pay of,
Martin, Mr. Mederic (Montreal, St. Mary's)
Food control, 2094, 2097 High cost of living, 708 Letter carriers, salaries of, 580, 1474 Military service, 2813 Amendments, 2820 Quebec situation, 2813 Oleomargarine, 2202, 2283 Soldiers, behaviour of at public gatherings, 5233
Taxation, income of, 4127 War-time Elections Bill. 3612 Matane harbour light, 1575 Matapedia public highway, 1379, 1816 Matheson post office, 3502 Matthews-Blackwell, Limited. See O'Connor Matthews, Mr. L., 1228
Meat and Canned Foods Act Amendment
Bill. Res., 2114. lr„ 2116.	2r., 2149.
Ref., to Com., 2149. Com., 3400.	3r.,
3401. Sen. amndts., 5425 Medicine Hat, military reserve, 301 Meighen, Hon. Arthur (Solicitor General) (From p. 4926 Secretary of State and Minister of Mines.)
Army
Desertions, 3111 Discharges, purchase of, 3112 Enlistment, 2530 Budget. 845
Revenue and expenditure of Canada, 846 Fiscal policies, 848 Free wheat, 850 Amendment of Mr. Turriff, 859 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4257. 4264, 4580, 4597-4614, 4631, 4842, 5133
Capital punishment, 619, 636 Censorship
Censors and decoders, 576 "The Fiddlers," 5947 Coalition government, 3732 Companies Act amendment, 5918-5942 Flour, price of, 1073 Free wheat, 850
McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5245, 5255 Military service, 3237-3261 Appeals, 3175, 3301 Burden of proof, 3318 Classes, 3140 Calling out by, 3130, 3271 Division into, 3355
Contraventions of Act, 3325-3352, 3360, 3579
Exceptions, 3362-3371 Exemptions, 3130, 3188, 3196, 3205, 3211, 3219, 3272, 3303, 3362
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Expenses, 3262, 3361 Labour, attitude of, 3732 Parliament, authority of, 2530 Penalties, 3271
Persons liable for service, 3116, 3125 Quebec situation, 2536 Referendum, 2533 Regulations, 3314 Tribunals, 3149, 3295, 3574 Passports for women, 5783 Press statements correction of. 4889 Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 685
Senate, appointments to, 926 Soldiers
Returned, appointment of to government positions, 6058 Votes for, 1390, 3730
Transcontinental railway-removal of rails to France, 1229, 1266 United Grain Growers. Limited, 894 War charities, 6062 War supplies, Ross rifle, 479, 493 WTar-time Elections Bill, 5582, 5637-5702, 5708-5771, 6076
Merritt, Col. W. H., collection by for Aviation Fund, 5362
Michaud, Mr. Pius (Victoria, N.B.),
Blain, Lieut. Roswell, 4245 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5028
Civil Service promotions, 2021 Dalhousie militia buildings, 454 Danis, Joseph M., 2618 Farm labourers from United States, 4512 Immigration regulations, 454 Intercolonial railway, 798 Mail service, 3639 Military Service Bill, 2808 United States, head tax on foreigners entering, 1266
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) Army, soldiers' votes, 4894 Breidert and Mudge patents, 1199 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of. 4512
Companies, incorporation of, 5939 Food control, 2509
Government Railways Act amendment, 4378 House of Commons-sessional indemnity of members, 6046 Military service, 2502 Exemptions, 2506, 3202 Parliament authority of, 2503 Provinces, recruiting by, 2511 Referendum, 2502, 2512 Pensions, 6010
Soldier Settlement Board, 3624
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Postmaster, 523, 581 Post office sub-station, 596 Public building, 305
Montreal Trades and Labour Council, 2198 Monuments, erection of, 3896, 3899 Moore, Major Rev. A. H., 1265
Moosejaw
Enlistments, 5122
Moosejaw News patronage, 2708 Morphy, Mr. H. B. (North Perth)
Army
Soldiers, voting of, 4701, 4756, 4786, 4815, 4900
Cheese manufacture, regulations, 2265 Civil Service salaries, 2013 Companies, incorporation of, 5941 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4299, 4324
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5906 Insurance, 5196
Live Stock and Produce Bill, 4290, 5505, 5513
Military service	-
Classes, 3142, 3284, 3291 Exemptions, 3193, 3364 Persons liable for service, 3118 National Gallery of Canada, 5301 Pensions, 6010
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5378 Morris, Mr. James (Chateauguay)
Budget, 973
Nationalist party, 974 Free wheat, 975
The record of the Government, 975 Military Service, 2978 Newspaper article, correction of, 1775 Woman suffrage, 1523 Morton, Dr. A., position of, 5706, 5913
Mounted Police
See Royal Northwest
Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal, 4835 Maxom, Major, position of, 4415 Muchaboom wharf, 304
Murphy, Hon. Charles (Russell)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 225
Proposed committee of inquiry, 225 Charges by ex-Minister of Militia, 226 Army medical service, 227 The Ross rifle, 228 Armstrong, S. A., 802
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Army
Medical service, 227, 3978 Overseas forces, proposed holiday for, 5902
Rejected men, 3100 Soldiers, voting of, 4760, 4812, 4890 Baugh, Edward Levi, 1470, 2481 Canada Gazette, publication of, 3738 Canadian Northern railway acquisition of,
' 4593-4608, 4637, 4972 Cheese purchases by British Government, 1863, 2197
Civil Service appointments, 643, 648, 2021, 2238
Under Order in Council of Jan. 1, 1917, 3003
Promotions, 4666
Firearms in Quebec hardware stores, 5083 Flour, alleged profit on, 5085 Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 3901 Hospital on Parliament Hill, 1228 Inland Revenue Department, estimates, 2388
Latchford, Ont., plant and buildings, sale of, 5706
Lessard, General, 365 Marlowe, Lt.-Col. F. W., 1227 McLeod-Tellier- Commission, 5251 McSpadden, Lt.-Col., 2618 Military Service, 2538 Enforcement, 2545 Labour, attitude of, 2543 Quebec, attitude of, 2543 Senate amendments, 4665 Montreal
Post office sub-station, 596 Public building, 305 Monuments, erection of, 3900 Ottawa, government land in, 1130 Parliament buildings Brick for, 337
Contract for construction of, 454 Stone for, 304
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4213 Public Works Department architect, 5104 Recruiting of British subjects in United States, 2482
Rideau canal, lighting of, 1939 Ross rifle, 228, 421
Substitute for, 1012, 1594 Valuation of factory, 1265 Taxation, income, 4131, 4649 War supplies, clothing, 3556 War-time Elections Bill, 5618, 5656, 5669, 5732, 5764
Murray Bay railway service, 617
National Battlefields Commission, 2061
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Nicholson, Mr. Donald (Queen's, P.E.I.) Address in reply to the Governor General'3 Speech, 238
Canada under Conservative rule, 238 Enlistments from Prince Edward Island, 241
Prosperity of Canada, 241, 243 Shipbuilding, 242 The French-Canadian people, 243 Military Service, 3001 Nickerson, W. H., dismissal of, 1472 Nickerson, William C., employment of, 2283 Nickle, Mr. W. F. (Kingston)
Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 838 Forestry battalions, 3951 Pensions, 1615
Canadian Northern railway acquisition of, 4587
Civil Service salaries, 2250 Industrial and scientific research, 5284 Military Hospitals Commission, 473 Military Service Classes, 3290 Exemptions, 3203
Packages, marking of-inspection and sale, 4066
Penitentiaries, officials, 6037 Pensions, 6011, 6033 Quebec railways, 5462 Railway Act, The, 3532, 3540, 3604, 3603 Royal Military College, 5310 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1141
Separation allowances, 382 Soldiers, returned, care of, 472 Taxation, income, 4074, 4107 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2611
War charities, 5488 War-time Elections Bill, 5753, 5837 Nixon, Mr. A. W., military position of, 6067 Non-support
See Criminal Code Amendment Bills North Battleford, government employees, 453 Northrup, Mr. W. B. (East Hastings)
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5497, 5904 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1184 Parliamentary sessions, expense of, 1261, 2524
Racing meets, limitation of, 321 North Sydney customs service, 607, 1852 Northwest Game Bill, The. lr„ 2569.	2r.,
3665. Com., 2665, 4659. 3r„ 4661
Nova Scotia
Electoral lists, 6068
Judge for district No. 6, 6003
Patrol service, 5423
Public works. See Public works
Ocean Telegraph Act Repeal Bill. Res., 2024. lr., 2026.	2r., 2108. Rep., 2114.	3r„
O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ K.C. See Food: Investigation
Officers. See Army
Ogilvie Flour Mills Co., earnings and taxes of, 198, 1818, 2389, 3677 Oil, bounties, 2329 Oil-boring machinery, 301
Oleomargarine, 304, 2202 Resolution of Montreal Labour Club, 2283
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 67
Our obligations in the war, 68 Recruiting, 69-77 National service, 71
The present Administration and the war, 77
Aliens, homestead rights of, 3808 Army
Allowances, 3079 Enlistment
Alberta, in, 3373, 3375 Retarding of, 2411-2415 Unfit men, of, 4003 See, under tins head, Recruiting Expeditionary force, 1816 Forestry battalions, 3951 Medical service, 3975 Officers, salutes to, 5425 Pensions, 384 Recruiting, 69
Edmonton, in, 366, 3371, 3375 Expenses, 1959 Government, 3371 Unfit men, 3107 United States, in, 3759 See, under this head, Enlistment Soldiers *
Pensions, 1603, 4051 Returned, care of, 474 Separation allowances, 383, 387 Voting of, 4791, 4812, 4892-4914 Widows of, 3806
Binder twine, 2333
British Cattle Supply Company, 1817 Bruce, Dr., report of, 1343, 1525
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Inland Revenue Department officials and expenditure, 2362, 2380-2387 Intercolonial railway, rails, 1575 Interior Department employees, 1344, 2349 Live stock Exchanges, 5508 Improvement of, 2278, 2281 Mail service, 3638 Merritt, Col.-Aviation Fund, 5362 Military service Authority of Parliament, 2419 Available men, 3371 Burden of proof, 3322 Classes, 3358
Contraventions of Act, 3328, 3351, 3360, 3579
Enforcement, 2416
Exemptions, 3195, 3227, 3234, 3311, 3364 General provisions, 2411, 3238 Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 301, 335, 4674
National service, 71, 361, 370, 374, 2413 National Transcontinental railway, 2209, 2218
North Battleford government employees 453
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3938 Oil bounties, 2329
Parliament, extension of term of, 3496 Patriotic Fund, 3079 Penitentiaries-officials' salaries, 6043 Pensions, 6005-6033 Poplar trees, conservation of, 3742 Public buildings Construction, 4181 Rentals, 4149, 5097 Repairs, 5106, 5304 Telephone service, 4147 Quebec and Saguenay railway, 1575 Railway material, removal of to France, 301, 310, 1473-1474, 1615, 1628, 1820, 3407-3408, 3398, 5293 Railways
Expenditure on, 2233 Operation of, 3412 Transportation of coal by, 3395 Recruiting. See, under this title, Army Rogers, Lt.-Col. Maynard, 1818 Ross rifle, 427, 432, 478, 510 Shore, George, suspension of sentence on, 1373
Soldier Settlement Board, 2780, 3625 Tariff revision, 1776 Taxation, 1677 Income, 4644
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"The Fiddlers" forbidden circulation, 3503.
3654, 3881, 5942. 5944 War
Charities, 3489
Government, administration of, 3371 Munitions contracts, 5532 War-time Elections Bill, 5553, 5638-5702, 5816
Ways and Means-amendment to motion for second reading of resolutions, 1677 Yukon
Judges' salaries, 5897 Miners' strike, 3086
Prices and cost of living, 2199, 2237, 2481, 2525, 2945
Orangemen. See Loyal Orange Order Ottawa
Government land in, 1130 Rents paid by the Government in, 4149, 5097 Outlook Publishing Company, payments to, 607
Overseas Minister of Munitions. See War Overseas Forces, Minister of the, 5
Non-combatant employees of Department, 4786
See Minister of the Overseas Forces, etc., Bill	'
Overseas forces. See Army.
Pacaud, Mr. Lucien T. (Megantie)
Military Service Bill, 2916 Thetford mines labour trouble, 1113 Pacific Dredging Company, 1126	'
Packages, marking of. See Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bill Palmerston post office building, 1127 Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois) Lefebvre, Major Alfred, 1037, 2618, 2003 Military service, 2997 Paquet, Mr. Eugene (L'Islet)
Budget, 1297
Union and solidarity of the Canadian people, 1297
The financial position of Canada, 1298 Munitions manufacture, 1299 Development of agriculture, 1300 Food products, imports and exports of, 1573 Immigration, 803 Military service, 2789 Public health, 992 Repatriation of Canadians, 803 Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 823 Enlistments, 1125 Medical service, 3971
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Investigation into cost of foodstuffs, 1304 Plea for better Canadianism, 1307 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5136	.
Drawbacks, payments of, 1818 Food products, control of, 1304 Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 452 Home Defence Force, 1038 Judges on provincial commissions, 593 Lavergne, Mr. Armani, 1038 Lewis machine guns, 2201 Mackenzie, Lieut. F. J. S., 986 Military service Exemptions, 3191
Personal attitude respecting, 3721 Persons liable for service, 3127 Tribunals, 3163 National Gallery, 5303 National Service cards, 1376 New Hamburg postmaster, 6053 Parliament, extension of term of, 3481 Pensions, 6007
Post office employees-salaries, 6051, 6053 Returned soldiers, 459 Shipbuilding at Prince Rupert, 4787 Taxation
Income, 4118, 4638 Wealth, 2528
Traction engines, duty on, 680 War-time Elections Act-tribunals, 6070
Paris, Ontario, recruiting in, 601
Parker, Mr. R. G. M., salary and position of, 2201
Parks, Canadian National; Jasper, 1477 Parliament
Adjournment of - Imperial War Conference, 117
Extension of term of, 15, 37, 157, 172, 175, 189, 223, 293, 2396, 3419.
Address to His Majesty the King, 3453, 3475; Div., 3501
Proposed amendment of Mr. Graham, 3461; Div., 3483
Statement by Prime Minister-no action, 3504 Members
Military pay of, 713 Railway transportation for, 3519 Printing of, 2007, 5901
Report of Committee on, 5949 Sessions-expense of
Motion for Committee to consider, 1261 Committee appointed, 1568 Joint action with Senate proposed, 2024 Reports, 2524, 5636
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Order of the day lapsed for want of a quorum, reinstatement of, 2877 Orders of the Day-motion to read, 5703 Petitions, form for presentation of, 2284 Privilege-statement of member, how limited, 599
For Privilege, see that title Questions
Answers to, discussions on, 4959 Not in proper form, 4834 Receiving report of Committee of Supply- form of notice, 5095
Saturday sittings, Committe of Supply, how constituted in, 5890 Senate
Regularity of its proceedings not to be questioned in House of Commons, 5498 Taxation measure amended by, 5480, 5883 Sitting of House suspended, 1766 Taxation exclusive rights of House of Commons over, 5480, 5883 Votes and Proceedings, correctness of entry in, Committee to inquire into appointed, 2880. Report of, 2944 Parliamentary Secretaryships, 5
See Minister of the Overseas Forces, etc., Bill
Paspebiac wharf, 898, 988
Paspebiac-Hopetown mail service, 1126
Passports, Atlantic, for women, 3996, 5783
Patenaude, Hon. Esioff L. (Secretary of State)
Post Office Department estimates, 660 Resignation of office, 2199, 2235 Correspondence with Prime Minister, 2494
Secretary of State Department, of the,
estimates, 655
Victoria bridge toll rates, 672 Patent medicines, 1470 Classification of, 33.5 Controller of, resigns, 986 Legislation, inquiry as to proposed, 9Si Regulations governing, 3817 Patent Record, printing of, 2062i .Patriotic Fund. See Canadian Patriotic Fund Patronage. See Political Pay and Records Office, 3104 Payne, Mr., employment of, 5272 Peace
Dominions, consultation with on, 300 Proposals
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Pelagie Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5958 Penitentaries
Dorchester, 1813
Meat supplies £or, 337 Guards, salaries, of, 5803	,
Kelly, Thomas, treatment of, 1813 See Kelly	'
Officials, salaries of, 5898, 6033 Portsmouth, 3418 Prisoners
Enlistment of, proposed, 1012, 1814 Labour of, 6036, 6040 Release of, for work on farms, 803 Report of inspector, 3419 Pennsylvania coal, embargo on, 2199 Penny Bank Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1773.
2r., Com., 3r., 2059 Pensions Military, 1594
Amount required for, 5899 Board of Commissioners and staff, 608, 4176, 4958
Canadian in Imperial forces, for, 4662, 4688
Dependents of soldiers, 4051 Erroneous announcement denied, 5423 European war, 6005 Militiamen, 6004
Patriotic Fund, agents in applications, 382
Proposed bill, 846
Inquiry concerning, 4293 Reyision of scale, 5424 Naval, pilots* 6049
Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 5704 Per ley, Sir George Halsey Appointment as Minister of the Overseas Forces, 5
Petroleum. See Oil Pictou (County)
Rural mail routes, 900 Pictou (Town)
Contractors for war supplies at, 303 Freight, handling of, at, 303 Marine and Fisheries agency, 304, 596, 1936 Plaxton, Mr. Charles P., position of, 4416 Point Tupper mail service, 3502 Politi cal deadlock, rumoured, 1971 Political meetings, attendance of soldiers at, 4338
Political patronage, 203, 205, 287, 726 Recruiting, in, 86, 97, 154, 162 Pollution of streams, 454 Pommeroy, Mr. Samuel, position of, 4952
Poplar trees, utilization of, 3742 Port Hood wharf, 5336 Port Malcolm wharf, 3S66 Post Office
Country postmasters, salaries of, 3634, 3642 Department
Estimates, 660, 2352, 2360, 3633, 5898, 6051
Staff and salaries, 660, 3633, 5898, 6051 Letter carriers, salaries of, 580, 1474, 1805, 2244
Mail carriers, 2243-4, 2708 Mail clerks, French-speaking, 5272 Mail contracts, 3635 Mail matter for soldiers, 3644 Mails, misuse of, 893, 1027 Parcel post, 2072, 3634, 3639 Prisoners of war, to, 3958 Postal clerks salaries, of, 2708* 3639 Railway mail service, 2244, 3650, 4102, 6051 Registration of mail matter, 668 Rural mail service, 3634, 5898 Carriers* 2247, 3634, 3636, 3643 Routes, number of, 2247 Signs, printing of, in French and English, 5999
Potatoes. See Agriculture and Food pro
ducts
Power, Mr. William (Quebec, West) Military Service, 2805
Pratt Brothers, payments to, 1570
Press censorship, 3503, 3654, 3718, 3881, 3995, 4059
Prices, fixing of. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills, Food and Cold storage
Prince Edward Island
Car ferry, 2205, 2304 See also Steamship services Enlistments from, 241, 4563 Freight, handling of, 1037 Military organization, 5422 Payments to under Agricultural Instruction Act, 455
Public works. See that title Steamship service, 660, 3389
Prince Edward Island Railway. See Canadian Government railways
Prince Rupert, shipbuilding at, 4787 Princess Louise Fusiliers, 5271 Printing, Government, 3737 Prison Labour, utilization of, 6036, 6040 Prisoners. See Penitentaries and War
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Cascade Scenic Railway Company, 4365 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5496, 5641, 5902 Grain Growers Grain Co., Ltd., 1110 Grand Trunk Pacific Branch Lines Company, 1373
Imperial Order Daughters of the Empire and the Children of the Empire (Junior Branch), 5495 Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Co., 1110
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2590, 2609,, 3865, 3955, 3980 United Grain Growers Limited, 893
Privilege, questions of
Barrette, Mr.-statement in Halifax Chronicle, 3352
Blondin, Hon. P. E.-statement in Ottawa Evening Journal, 339
Boulay, Mr.-statement in Ottawa Citizen, 2776
Bureau, Mr.-statements in Montreal Gazette, 2709, 4730
Burnham, Mr. 
correction of remarks in Hansard, 869
Clark, Mr. Michael-statements in the press, 3617
Descarries, Mr.-vote on Military Service Bill, 3846
Graham, Mr.:-statement of Mr. R. B. Bennett, 804, 869
Hazen, Mr.-statement by Mr. Pugsley, 5274
Hughes, Sir Sam
Statement of Mr. Mark Irish, 2707 Statement of Mr. A. K. Maclean, 2777 Statement of Mr. Currie, 5773 Knowles, Mr.-statement in Toronto Telegram, 5085
Lafortune, Mr.-Ottawa Journal-Press, 3085
Laurier, Sir Wilfrid-statement of Sir Clifford Sifton, 4009
MacNutt, Mr.-Ottawa Journal-Press. 3656 Mondou, Mr.-statement in Montreal Gazette, 3004
Neely, Mr.-statement by Sir Clifford Sifton, 5774
Oliver, Hon. Frank-statement in L'Evene-ment, 434
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Steamer C. E. Tanner, 5362
Taylor, Lt.-Col. J. D. M.P., 986
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War supplies-hay, 338
War-time Elections Bill, 5623, 5669, 5829
Webb, Lieutenant, 4563
Wood, Lieutenant, 4563
Provincial governments, duties payable by, 2119, 2129
Provincial prohibitory legislation. Bill in aid of, lr„ 4192; 2r. and Com., 4395; 3r., 4405; Senate amendments, 5514 See also Intoxicating liquors, Prohibition and Canada Temperance Act
Public health, proposed department of, 992
Public Service Committee, recommendations of, 3633
Public Service Loan Bill. Res., 242. lr., 353.
2r., 435. Com., 435. 3r., 476	[DOT]
Public Works
Buildings Alberta, 5312
British Columbia, 1126, 5312 Generally, 4147, 5314 Manitoba, 5311 Nova Scotia, 4145
Ontario, 4146, 5309, 5412. See Ottawa Quebec, 1935, 4145, 5309 Saskatchewan, 4146, 5312 Department
Automobile, purchase of, 2480 Estimates, 652, 1935, 3867, 3882, 4145, 4181, 5096, 5304, 5314, 5362 Staff and salaries, 3893, 5104 Dredging
British Columbia, 5359 Dredge Cape Breton, loss of, 596, 668, 1024, 3881 Dredge No. 6, 5404 Generally, 5096
Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, 3887
Maritime Provinces, 5359 Ontario and Quebec, 3886, 5359 See, under this title, Harbours and Rivers Dry docks. See Dry Docks Subsidies Act Amendment Bill Expenditure 1916-17, 1038 Harbours and Rivers British Columbia, 3885, 5304, 5357 Manitoba, 5356
New Brunswick, 3872, 4185, 5347, 5411, 5890
Nova Scotia, 3866, 5314
Public Works-Con.
Ontario, 3883, 5355 Prince Edward Island, 3871 Quebec, 3879, 5353 See Quebec Harbour Advances Bill Saskatchewan and Alberta, 3884 See, under this title, Dredging Roads and bridges, 3888, 5360 Wharves, 1943
Publication Committee, 5791
Pugsley, Hon. William (St. John City) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 286
The political situation, 286 Returned soldiers and political patronage, 287
Administration of military affairs under late Minister of Militia, 287 Utilization of our natural resources, 291 Shipbuilding, 292 The Dorchester campaign, 293 Canada's naval policies, 293 Extension of term of Parliament, 293 Imperial War Conference, 294 Army
Desertions, 3111 Discharges, purchase of, 3112 Enlistments, 2647 Soldiers
Returned, employment of, 3846, 6057 Voting of, 2651, 4689-4736, 4740-4786, 4808-4834, 4874-4887, 4889-4914 165th Regiment, 1725 Bathurst harbour improvements, 3872 Budget, 863, 870
Trade conditions, 863 Free wheat, 864, 870 The Minister of Inland Revenue, 879 Amendment of Mr. Turriff, 881 Canadian Government railways Branch lines, 2228, 2232 Cars for, 4928
Employees, promotion of, 762 Intercolonial railway
Coal, freight rates on, 3511 Maritime Express service, 8 Passenger service, 2207 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4230, 4248, 4486, 4837, 4990-5015, 5108 Capital punishment, 631 Civil servants, enlisted-pay and separation allowances, 664, 2252 Civil Service
Officials, proposed dismissal of, 3633 Salaries, 1791, 2012
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Wealth, conscription of, 3471, 3475 Woman suffrage, 309, 672, 759, 1482, 1521, 1594 1627, 4958
Pugsley, Lieut. J. A., position of, 4895'
Pulp and paper
Newsprint, fixing of price of, 1302 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec (City)
Firearms in hardware stores, 5083 Harbour master, 897 Immigration agents, 5122 Quebec (Province)
Bridges, 3889
Electoral lists, 6002	,
Judges' salaries, 5798 Military districts Nos. 3 and 10, 455 Public Works. See that title Recruiting in, 94, 112, 119, 127, 147, 160, 185, 213, 221, 342, 363, 2398, 2424, 2515 Officers, recruiting of, 3135 See Military Service Bill and French Canadian
Quebec Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway, completion and operation of. 4948, 5452
Quebec and Oriental railway, 1674 Quebec and Saguenay railway Bondholders, 669
Completion and operation of, 203, 668, 1575, 4948, 5452 Expenditure, 1658
Legislation concerning, proposed, 458 Quebec Harbour Advances Bill. Res., 435.
lr„ 438.	2r„ 577. Com., 577. 3r., 578
Quebec Harbour Commission, 436 Racing Form, The, exclusion from mails of, 306, 336, 896
Racing meets, limitation of. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills Radiotelegraph service. See Telegraphs, also Ocean Telegraph Act Railway Act Amendment Bills
1.	Bill No. 13, Mr. Cochrane, general, lr.,
194; 2r., 602; special committee, 602; motion to amend, stands, 605; com., 3420, 3511, 3592, 3716; 3r., 3740
2.	Bifi No. 18, Mr. McCraney, free transportation for provincial legislators, lr,, 300. 2r., 685. Ref. to Railway Com., 685 Railway Commission, 1862, 3407 Railway mail clerks. See Post office Railways
Alleged advance to Company, 2100 Bridges, 3889
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Confiscation of, by, 584 Handling of, by, 33 95 , 3 4 0 2 Constables, 3599
Employees, payment of salaries of, 5956 Expenditure on, 2233	,
Fires from locomotives, 3552, 3602 French language, printing of literature in, 3511
Material, removal of to France, 310, 335, 1229, 1266, 1372, 1473, 1474, 1615, 1628, 1690, 1820, 3407, 3409, 5293 Overdue trains, notice of, 3594 Situation, 2219, 2221, 4011, 4058, 4217, 4247, 4467, 4512, 4566, 4622, 4835 Cost of inquiry into, 3408 Traffic, congestion of, 587 For Canadian Government railways, see that title
For individual railways, see their titles Railways and Canals Department
Estimates, staff and salaries, 2202, 3385, 3402, 4925, 4928, 5428 Steamers purchased by, 669 Rainbow, His Majesty's Canadian Ship, 457, 1472
See Naval Service
Rainville, Mr. Joseph H. (Deputy Speaker) Emigration to the United States, 3285 Military service Classes, 3285
Exemptions, 3189, 3194, 3218 Farmers, of, 6002 See Deputy Speaker
Ralston, Major J. L., position and pay of, 6067
Rankin, Captain Ramsay, position of, 987 Recruiting. See Army
For recruiting by localities, see names of localities
Reid, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Customs) Canadian Government railways Intercolonial, management of, 769 Passenger service, 2207 Promotion of employees, 769 Quebec, 4948, 5452, 5458 Civil Service-appointments, 644, 1023 Coal, confiscation of by railways, 585 Customs
Crown goods, duties payable on, 19781985, 2119
Departmental estimates, staff and salaries, 643, 1843, 1881, 5098, 5777 Disposal of unclaimed goods, 3743
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Authority of Parliament, 2703 Enlistment in Quebec, 2704 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5380 Robinson, Captain J. T., appointment of, 1377 Roche, Hon. W. J. (Minister of the Interior) Agricultural labourers from the United States, 1194
British Columbia Indian Commission, 653 Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bill, 159,
.	2832, 3793-3817
Farm labour, 3507
Frank, Alta., moving of residences at, 4919 French-Canadians in the United States, 4914
Game in the Northwest, 3665, 4659 Homestead regulations, 1741, 1747 Immigration Agents, 1738 Chinese, 843, 2139 Department estimates, 4914 Regulations, 449, 525 Indians, 2340, 2349
Department estimates, 1886 Sydney reserve, 3663 See Indians Interior Department
Employees, political activities of, 2350 Estimates, 652, 1344, 1735 French-speaking employees of, 2341 Orders in Council relating to, 6000 Migratory birds, 2525, 3657 Seed grain collections, 2352 Soldier .Settlement Act, administration of, 4917
Soldier Settlement Board, 686, 1157, 2653, 3618, 3779
Surveys, 1345, 1735	.
United States' head tax on Canadians, 892 Rogers, Lt.-Col. Maynard, salary of, 1818 Rogers, Hon. Robert (Minister of Public Works)
Dry docks, 4456, 5915
Ottawa Citizen, statement of, 599
Public works
Buildings, 4145, 4181
Department: estimates, staff and salaries,, 3866, 3882, 3893, 4145, 4181, 5104 Harbours and rivers, 3866, 3882, 4187 Roads and bridges, 3888 Resignation from the Cabinet, 4736 Ross, Mr. Duncan C. (West Middlesex) Army
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Army Act regulations, 3113 Exemptions, 3224 Persons liable for service, 3126 Tribunals, 3170 Taxation
Income, 4652 Wealth, 3045
Unclaimed bank balances, 1001 War strpplies, horses, 453 War-time Elections Bill, 5677, 5687 William Davies Co., 4151 Ross rifle. See War supplies Rouville county mail carrier, 608 Roy, Judge L. R., payments to, 1130 Royal Assent, The, 603, 3766, 5084 Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, 5304 Royal Military College, 5310 Royal Mint, Ottawa branch, 1474 Royal Naval College, 4163 Royal Northwest Mounted Police Pensions, 5704
Salaries and contingencies, 4147 Saskatchewan and Alberta, duties in, 301, 335
Subsistence, etc., 4667 Ruisseau le Blanc breakwater, 898 Russell, Mr. T. A., purchase of motor trucks by, 266, 280 Salt. See Fish
Salter, R. J„ payments to, 1472 Sand Point wharf, 5316
Sauve, Pte. James, application of for pension, 5776
Savings banks, deposits in, 4685 St. Charles de Caplan wharf, 898 St. Charles river dam, 2525 St. Jerome post office, 899
St. John and Quebec Railway Act Amendment Bill. lr„ 2433.	2r„ Com., 3r.,
St. John harbour improvements, 3875, 4185, 5347, 5411, 5890
St. Lawrence Flour Mills Company, Government contracts with, 4509
Sainte Luce. Changing of name, 673 St. Maurice river improvements, 1381 St. Peter's canal, 3406
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Privilege-statement concerning effects removed from Speaker's chambers after Parliament Buildings fire, 2058 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2361 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5385, 5391 Sexsmith, Mr. John A. (East Peterborough) Agriculture and Colonization, report of Committee, 1956
Railway Act, The, 3443, 3543, 3546, 3605 Telegraphs and telephones, 3543, 3546 Shaw, F. D., dismissal of, 1847 Sherbrooke exhibition grounds, 302 Shigawake post office, 898 Shigawake East post office, 988 Shipbuilding
British Government, for, 4164 Canadian-built ships, 591 Prince Rupert, at, 4787 Railway Department, for, 4939, 5429 See Marine
Shipping. See Marine and Transportation Shore, George, suspension of sentence on, 1373
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Guysborough)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 150
The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 150
The winning of the war, 151 Canadian soldiers at the front, 152 Military record of the Government, 152 The Ross rifle, 154 Political patronage, 154 Commandeering of ships, 155 Small arms ammunition, 156 Extension of term of Parliament, 157 Army
Casualties, July, 1917, 4151 Enlistments, July, 1917, 4151 Medical service, 3969 Officers, surplus of, 3102 Recruiting, 2884
Soldiers, age of on enlisting, 4001 Canada Temperance Act, 5243 Canadian Government railways, ice for, 301 See, under this title, Intercolonial Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4600, 4872, 5061
Civil servants, enlisted, pay and separation allowances to, 663 Civil Service, 649
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Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario)
Army, casualties, 2201 Cattle, British embargo on, 923 National Service cards, 2479 Railway Act, The, 3442 imith's Falls postmaster, 1570 Soldiers. See Army Soldiers' Settlement Board Advances to soldiers, 4913 Commissioners, 4917
Soldier Settlement Board Bill. Res., 1157, 2653, 3618. lr„ 3630.	2r., 3779.	3r.,
Sonora preventive officers, 4244 Sorel, strike at, 1912, 1935 South African War-Canadian contingent, 2200
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes), rulings and statements of
Adjournment motions, when in order, 5517, 5547
Amendments ruled out not subsequently debatable, 1686 Bills
Not debatable in detail on motion for leave to Introduce, 4410 Printing of in both languages, 5550
Speaker-Con.
Censored publications, quotations from in Parliament, 5944 Closure
Bill reported amended, amendments not debatable; Rule 17A overrides Rule 56, 5771
Concurrence in resolution of Committee of Supply not debatable, 5095 Crown property, Bills to dispose of, must have Crown's consent, for third reading, 1157
Flint, Dr., retirement of, 6044 House of Commons Estimates, 2359, 5784 Officials, 5786 Interjections, 2596 Irrelevancy, 444, 5478
Language reflecting on the Chair to be withdrawn, 2567
Letters from persons outside referring to House proceedings not to be quoted,
Member must take his seat when Speaker addresses House, 4410 Motions dealing with questions already before House, 1017, 1022, 1150 Motions, irregular
Repetition of matters disposed of, 1867 Substantial repetition of notice of motion standing on order paper, 1490, 1508, 1523
Taxation, to levy, without recommendation by the Crown, 3078, 4648 Order of the day, reinstatement of, 2878,
Orders of the Day, on, extended remarks irregular, 665, 804
Petitions, form for presentation of, 2284 Privilege, statements under to be confined to denial of matters complained of, 599, 3612, 3614, 3616 Questions and answers Answers not debatable, 4959 Questions not to contain allegation of fact or inuendo, 4834 Quorum, absence of, 2877 Reply, privilege of, confined to mover of substantive motion, 1880 Order of speakers varied by unanimous consent, 1015
Rules, lenient interpretation not to establish a precedent, 3078 Saturday sittings, Committee of Supply, how constituted (Rule 17C), 5891 Senate proceedings, regularity of not to be questioned in House, 5498
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Taxation, amendment by Senate of a Bill; rights of House to be reserved by special declaration, 5480, 5883 Unanimous consent; change in order of Speakers permitted, 1015 Unparliamentary expressions
"A man who was ashamed, Sir, of what he was doing," 5587 "Vile motives," 4313
Votes and Proceedings, error, not immediately discovered, referred to special committee, 2880 Ways and Means, amendment to second . reading of resolution reported from Committee must be relevant. 1086 See also Deputy Speaker and Parliamentary procedure
Spence, Andrew, position of, 1472
Spittal, Lt.-Col. C. D., dismissal of, 645, 651, 1127
Spotten, Judge, 1127
Stanfield, Mr. John (Colchester)
Army	,
Camps, sale of liquor in, 823 Medical service, 3984
Government railways, promotion of employees, 765
Stayner public building, 5412
Steamers utilized by British Government,
the C. E. Tanner, 5362
Steamship services
Australia and New Zealand, 2285 Canada	[DOT]
British Columbia, 2299 Magdalen Islands, 2302, 2326 New Brunswick, 2292, 2297, 2323 Nova Scotia, 2286, 2299, 2300, 2304, 2319 Prince Edward Island, 2303, 2319, 3389, 3945
Quebec, 2299, 2318, 2325 China and Japan, 2298 France, 2307
Great Britain, 2285, 2291, 2297 Ireland, 2292
Newfoundland, 2286, 2291 South Africa, 2291 South America, 2287 United States, 2299 West Indies, 2287
See also Transportation
Steam trawlers. See Fish and Fisheries Steele, Arthur, dismissal of, 338 Steele, General, appointment of, 264
Steele, Mr. Michael (South Perth)
Aerial League of the British Empire, 3633 Alcohol, on charge to medical stores, loss
of, 2776
Army, soldiers, voting of, 1383, 4825 Canadian Association of Stationary Engineers, 1198 Cheese purchases, 2258 Coal, shortage of, 83 Cold storage, 2079 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5496 Imperial Order Daughters of the Empire, 5495
Public health, proposed department of, 992 Railway Act, The, 3442, 3452 Scientific and industrial research, 3909
Stefansson expedition, 4173
Stellarton, N.S.
Postmaster, 669, 897, 3758 Public building, 4951
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 62
Our troops at the front, 62 Reply to criticisms of Mr. Macdonald, 62 The Ross rifle, 63 National Service Commission, 64 The smelting and refining of ores, 66 Care of returned soldiers, 67 Army, soldiers, voting of, 4749 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 4965
Enlistment, 2421-2428 Fisheries, proposed ministry of, 2029 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1182 Indians, Kitsilano Reserve, 1902 Military Service, 2421
Enlistment, interference with, 2421 Labour's attitude, 2426 Quebec's attitude, 2424, 242S Referendum, 2427 National Service Commission, 64 Ross rifle, 63	,
Shipbuilding, 5445 Telephone lines, 5402 Wealth, conscription of, 2427 Woman suffrage, 1522 Stewart, Mr. T. J. (West Hamilton)
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2590, 2609, 3865, 3955, 3980 Tractor engines, duty on, 680 Submarine situation, 1320 Sulphur, United States embargo on export of, 4889


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Supreme Court Act and Exchequer Court Act amendment Bill, lr., 2568;	2r.,
Com., 3r., 3630
Surveys, 1345, 1357	.
Astronomical, 4917 Generally, 1345, 1357, 3898 Geological, 4179 Hydrographic, 4173 Indian Lands, 1894
International, 1735	t
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford)
Army camps, sale of liquor in, 829 Coalition government, 2690 Flour, price of, 1080 Live stock purchases, 2280 Military service, 2682 Classes, 3-282
Quebec, recruiting in, 2685 Referendum, 2692 Railway Act, The, 3545, 3547 Railways, government operation of, 2234 Rural mail carriers, 3636 Soldier Settlement Board, 3786 Soldiers, behaviour of, 5234 Soldiers, votes for, 1395 Telegraphs and telephones, 3545 War-time Elections Bill, 5685, 5860 Women Suffrage, 1477 Swiss Army manoeuvres, attendance of Canadian officers at, 5219 Sydney
Harbour improvements, 5342 Industrial sites, 3956
Tanner, C. E., Steamer or Motor Boat, 5362 Tariff. See Customs and Customs Tariff Act Taxation. Senate amendment of taxation measure no precedent, 5476 Special
Business profits, 719, 727, 7-37, 745, 750, 959, 965, 1432, 1437, 1447, 1628, 2107 Comparative statement, 2508 Cost of collecting, 4686
Taxation-Con.
Returns of business concern, 4245 See Wealth, Conscription of Income, 719, 738, 1424, 1441, 163-1, 1687, 3760, 3767, 4070, 4102, 4124, 4638 Cost of collecting estimated, 4686 See also Income War Tax Bill Land, 163-0
Hudson's Bay Co., lands, 986 Patent medicines, 3-63 Use made of funds obtained by, 4177 Wealth, 2453, 2469, 2508, 2528, 2576, 2587, 2597, 2608; 2671, 2728, 28(59, 3045 See W'ealth, Conscription of
Tayl or, Mr. James D. (New Westminster) Army
Medical service, 3981 Non-commissioned officers, 1608, 3999 Officers, employment of, 565 Recruiting, 56-5 Soldiers Pensions, 1607 Voting of, 4703, 4757-4786 Fraser river dredging, 5357 Hindu immigration, 2145 Military service, 3145, 3275 Thomson, Mr. Levi, reply to statement of, 1370,
Taylor, Lt.-Col. J. D., M.P., payments to, 986
Technical Education, 1229
See Industrial and Scientific Research.
Telegraphs, telephones and radiotelegraphs
Government lines
Alberta and Saskatchewan, 3892, 5393
British Columbia, 3893, 5365, 5395, 5410
Manitoba, 5411
Magdalen Islands cable, 5407
New Brunswick, 5379
Nova Scotia, 5362
Prince Edward Island, 5407, 5411
Quebec, 5384
Telephones for, 4147	*
Ocean service, 2024, 2108 Provisions governing, 3542, 3546 Radiotelegraph service, 4159 Subsidies, 3892 West India cable, 2339
Temiscouata mail contract, 335
"The Fiddlers," circulation of forbidden, 3503, 3654, 3718, 3881, 3955, 4059, 5942
Thetford Mines, labour trouble at, 590, 606, 1113
Thoburn, Mr. William (North Lanark) Gordon Divorce Bill, 5909 Military service, 3358 Postmasters, salaries of, 3642 Technical education, 1238
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Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Game in the Northwest, 3668 Yukon, cost of living in, 2571 Thompson, Dr. Alfred, M.P., employment and
salary of, 5083
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Army, soldiers' pay1; 3216 Budget, 976
The duty on farm machinery, 977 Inequalities in the tariff, 979 Free wheat, 982
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5143
Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3811 Free wheat, 982 Military service, 2993 Exemptions, 3193, 3225 Railway transportation for Members of Parliament, 3521, 3523	.
Soldier Settlement Board, 3629 Thornton, Mr. Charles J. (Durham)
Packages, marking of,-inspection and sale,-4066
Railway Act, The, 3544 Telegraphs and telephones, 3544 Three Rivers
Harbour improvements, 3879 Public buildings, 668 Titus, Private John, 2237 Tobin, Mr. Edmund W. (Richmond and Wolfe)
Bromptonville postmaster, 1129 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5052
Horses for war purposes, 1123 Military service, 2810 Militia Department motor cars, 2525 Ross rifle, 2054
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5388 Wool, exportation of, 1130 Toronto water-borne traffic, 454 Tracadie
Inland Revenue officer, 1817 Railway siding, 2618 Tractor engines, duty on, 674 Trade and Commerce
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The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 175
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Aliens, naturalization of, 3814 Anderson, Mr. Daniel, 1265 Army
Officers, surplus of, 3103 Rejected men, 3099 Ashcroft mail service, 668 Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 687 Beans for seed, 1473 Blow, Dr„ payments to, 668 Budget, 746
Trade relations with Great Britain. 746 Free wheat, 747, 750 Government expenditure, 747 Taxation of business profits, 750 Revenue of-Canada, 755 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5026
Civil Service
Disfranchisement of Civil servants, proposed, 2020 Recruiting from, 192 Daylight saving, 3684 Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3798 Farm labour for western Canada, 3504 Flour, price of, 1070 Food Control, 1999, 3751 Fuel, 1414 Grain [DOT]
Breweries and distilleries, for, 1188
Commission, 1381	,
Elevators, 3707
Grading of, 1265
Rust in, 2063
Wheat
Free, 747, 756
Surplus, purchase of, 1126 United States tariff on, 1342 Hobbs, Mr. Hugh, 1228 Loans to farmers, .1968 Lockhart, Mr. Hugh, 1265
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Saskatchewan coal miners' strike, 3237 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1137
Smith, Pte. J. I., 3418 Soldier Settlement Board, 3779 Spotten, Judge, 1127 Taxation
Business profits, 178, 750, 1458 Income, 1463
Tractor engines, duty on, 678 National Transcontinental railway, operation of, 657 War
Prisoners of, parcels to, 3958 Prosecution of the, 1591 War-time Elections Bill, 5711, 5836 Woman suffrage, 1518
Tu rner, General, appointment of, 268, 279 Turner, Mr. Harvey, position of, 1469 Union Government
See Coalition Government; National Government
United Mines Workmen of Nova Scotia, 802 United States
British subjects in, recruiting of, 2482, 3904 Declaration of war by, 610 Exodus of Canadians to, 3285 Farm labourers from, 665, 1740, 1747, 1193, 4512
French Canadians in, 4914
Head tax ojn foreigners entering, 892, 1266
Tariff
Changes in, 1264 Wheat, on, 1342
Troops, training of, in Canada, 2482
Universal Radio Syndicate Limited. See
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Army, soldiers, attendance of, at public meetings, 5231
Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 686
Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 5066
Civil Service salaries, 2245 Cold storage, 2089 Food control, 1989, 2089 High cost of living, 710
House of Commons, sessional indemnity of Members, 6047 Labour
Attitude of on Military service, 2795 Requirements, 2799 Military Service, 279>5 Moore, Major Rev. A. H., 1265 Tariff revision, 1789 Taxation, income, 4103, 4121, 4130 Technical education, 1237 Thetford Mines labour trouble, 690, 606, 1120
"War-time Elections Bill, 5741 Veterans
Army and Navy, Bill, 5421 Victoria bridge toll rates, 672 Victoria, B.C.
Breakwater, 1381 Victoria Sealing Company, 5958 Viviani, M., visit and address to Parliament of, 1318, 1361, 1362
Votes for soldiers. See Army, Soldiers Voters Lists
Provision for under War-time Elections Bill, 5418
Walsh, J. J., payments to, 1675 War
Charities. See Charities Bill Defence of Canada. See Militia and Defence
Expenditure, 274, 354, 386, 408, 476, 522, 525, 549, 718, 2936
See also War Appropriation Bill Loans, 720, 2774
Minister of Overseas Services, proposed, 277, 279
Pay and Records office, 1355 Prisoners of, 660
Arrangements for exchange of, 4194
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War-time Elections Bill-Con.
Amendments proposed :	Sir Wilfrid
Laurier, 5576; lost on div., 5628. Mr. Pugsley, 5629; lost on div., 5635. Mr. Neely, 5650; lost, 5659. Mr. McCraney, 5659; lost on div., 5660. Mr. Lapointe, lost on div., 5770. Mr. Neely, 5824; lost on div., 5879 Senate amdts., 6071
War-time Elections Act
Female enumerators, 6071 Polling Divisions, 6070 Qualifications of voter, 6092 Tribunals, candidates for federal elections serving on, 6070
Washington Conference, Canadian delegates to, 1127
Waterford, N. S., explosion at, 5775
Ways and Means, Committee of, 584, 1436, 1445, 1628, 3760, 5242, 6061 Amendment, Mr. Oliver, 1677 See Budget and Taxation
Wealth, Conscription of
Amendments to address for extension of term of Parliament, Mr. Graham. 3641, 3471, 3480
Statement by Finance Minister, 3187 . See Taxation
Webb, Lieutenant, position of, 4563
Webster, Mr. John (Brockville)
Army, 122nd Battalion, 5083 Budget, 953
The dairying industry, 953 Canada's part in the war, 956 Cheese, manufacture and sale of, 2268 Packages, marking of-inspection and sale, 4068
Weichel, Mr. William G. (North Waterloo) Military Service Bill, 2801 National Transcontinental Railway, ties, 455
War-time. Elections Bill, 5832
Weights and measures, inspection of, 2383, 3842 ,
Welland canal
Construction of, 2206, 3402, 4925 Dynamiters of, 4926
West Edmonton forest rangers and homestead inspectors, 1476
Western Canada, farm labour for, 3504
Wheat. See Grain
White, Rev. Ward, position of, 3903
White, Sir Thomas (Minister of Finance) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 272
Reply to statements of Sir Sam Hughes, 272
War expenditure, 274
Proposed Minister of Overseas Services. 277, 279
Appointment of General Turner, 279, 280 Purchase of motor trucks and transports,
Canada and the war, 282 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 818 Medical service, commission of inquiry into, 542
Soldiers, life insurance of, 3589 Officers, unattached, 563 Beans, duty on, 671 Bran and shorts, duty on, 1870 British Government and Canadian Pacific Railway Financial arrangement Bill, 1369, 2059 Budget, 718, 937
National' income and expenditure, 718 War expenditure, 718 Income taxation, 719 Taxation of business profits, 719 War loans, 720 Trade of Canada, 721 Free wheat, 937 Amendment of Mr. Oliver, 949 Business Profits War Tax, 5290 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of. 4011, 4217, 4247-4287, 4467, 4595-4620, 4622-4638, 4835-4873, 4960-5015, 5154 Canadian Pacific railway-Bill to facilitate financial arrangements, etc., 1369, 2059 Civil Service
Enlistments from, 2014, 2253 Promotions, 2010 Salaries, 2008, 2238
Civil Service Act amendment, 2008, 2238 Customs Tariff Act amendment, proposed, 1689
Enlistment, voluntary, 2583 Finance, Department of, estimates, 1790, 1796
Flour, price of, 1053, 1088 Fuel, 1419
Grand Trunk Pacific railway, loan to, 5292 Rails, removal of from, 5296 Hughes, Sir Sam, reply to statement of, 3110
Military Service Bill, 2582 Voluntary enlistment, 2583 Progress of the war, 2584
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Canada's position, 2584 Our duty to the men at the front, 2585 Conscription of wealth, 2587 Referendum proposals, 2589 Income War Tax Bill
See, under this title, Taxation Inland Revenue Department estimates, 2381, 3832
Insurance, 1724, 2100 Life insurance of soldiers, 3589 Insurance Act Amendment Bills, 3848, 4138, 5196
Loans to farmers, 1960 Loans, public, 720
$100,000,000 for Public Service, 342, 435, 4957
Amount received and commission paid, 4957
McNab, Colin C., 579 Members, deceased, tributes to, 5 Motor trucks, purchase of, 280 National Gallery of Canada, 5301 Newsprint paper, 757, 1646 Penny Bank Act, 2061 Pensions, 845
Denial of erroneous statement, 542S Proportional representation, 908 Quebec and Saguenay railway, 1658 Railway, situation in Canada, 4011, 4058 Recruiting, retarding of, 3110 Senate, appointments to, 930 Shipbuilding, 666
Imperial Munitions Board contracts, 1661 Soldier Settlement Board, 3788 Supply, vote for three months, 2946 Tariff revision, 1689
Taxation measures; Senate amendment no
. precedent, 5476
Taxation
Business profits, 178, 719, 1438, 1635, 2108 Returns by business concerns, 4246 Income, 719, 1441, 1449, 1631, 3760, 3768, 4070, 4102, 4126, 4638 Wealth, 2587
Toronto Globe, correction of editorial in, 2707
Unclaimed bank balances, 1004 United Grain Growers, Limited, 894 War charities, 5424, 5481 War expenditure, 718 War finance, vote of $500,000,000, 542 War supplies for British Government, 4953, 5522	,
War taxation
See, under this title, Taxation
White, Sir T.- Con.
Wealth, conscription of, 3187 See, under this title, Taxation Whitehead life-saving station, 1469 Williams Head quarantine station, 5312 Wilcox, Mr. Oliver J. (North Essex)
Racing meets, limitation of, 8, 313 Toronto Globe-correction of statement in, 47
Tractor engines, duty on, 676 Wilfrid C., vessel, 4062	'
William Davies Co., 4151 See Food Investigation Wilson, Mr. Charles A. (Laval)
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5069
Criminal Code amendment, jurors, 4300, 4326
Military Service Bill, 2925 Contraventions of Act, 3328 Exemptions, 3303 Quebec, recruiting in, 2926 Penitentiaries, salaries of guards, 5803 Potato consignments, 607 Railway Act, The, 3444, 3447 Ships built in Canada, 591 Soldiers, voting of, 4722 Taxation, income, 4073 Wilson, Mr. Gordon C. (Wentworth)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 9
Canada and the war, 9 Tribute to deceased Member, 10 Provision for returned soldiers, 10 National service, 10 Canada's financial stability, 11 Fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 11 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2610
Windsor, N.S.
Tribune building, 1380 Wharf repairs, 1380
Windsor, Ontario, immigration officers, 2357 Windsor Junction, N.S., mail service, 5913 Wireless telegraph. See Telegraphs Woman suffrage
Enfranchisement under War-time Elections Bill, 5416
Pugsley, Mr., motion and amendments by Notice stands, 309; postponed, 672, 759 Amendment to motion of Mr. Sutherland, 1488
Ruled out by Mr. Speaker, 1490, 1508 Amendment to amendment of Sir Robert Borden, 1522


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Woman suffrage-Con.
Sutherland, Mr., motion of, 1477, 1627 Borden, Sir Robert, amendment of, 1508 Inquiry by Mr. Pugsley, 4958
Women
Atlantic passports for, 3996, 5783 Munition workers, 4063
Wood, Lieutenant, position of, 4563 Wool, exportation of, 1130
Wright, Mr. William (Muskoka)
Grain, 5208
Wheat, fixing price of, 3694, 3703 Live stock exchanges, 5512 Public Works Department estimates, 5335 Railway Act, The, 3514
Wright, Mr. W.- Con.
Railway transportation for Members of Parliament, 3521	,
Soldier Settlement Board, 3629 Woman suffrage, 1479 Yarmouth harbour improvements, 3870 Year Book, Canada, 2337 Yukon territory, 1736 Administrator, 5122 Commissioner of, 3677 Expenditure, 592 Judges' salaries, 5896 Miners' strike, 3086 Population, 593
Prices and cost of living, 2199, 2237, 2481, 2571, 2954
Zinc. .See Mines and minerals

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