1917-08-07

COMMITTEE TO REVISE RULES GOVERNING DIVORCE.

Sir ROBERT BORDEN moved:: That the following members be appointed a special committee to consider and report on the desirability of revising the Rules and Regulations governing the granting of divorce, and if, in the opinion of the committee, a revision is advisable, to submit to the House such amendments as are deemed necessary, and that the committee be empowered to meet in joint sittings with a like committee of the Senate:	Messrs. Boyce, Maclean (Halifax),
Northrup, Pugsley, and Steele.
Motion 'agreed to.



SALE AND USE OF INTOXICATING LIQUORS.

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BILL in aid op provincial legislation INTRODUCED.
Hon. C. J. DOHERTY (Minister of Justice) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 121, to amend "An Act in said of provincial legislation (prohibiting or restricting the sale or use of intoxicating liquors."
Sir WILFRID LAURIER:: Explain.


Mr. DOHERTY:: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this Bill is to make certain amendments to the Act which was passed at the last .session of the House in aid of provincial legislation prohibiting or restricting the sale or use of intoxicating liquors. There are five provisions. The first is merely to reinstate in the Act a clause which was in it as it passed this House and which was struck out 'by the Senate. That clause provided that for an offence under the Act the 'party accused could be tried either at the place whence he sent the liquor in contravention of the Act, or within the province into which he sent that liquor. The Senate amended the Bill by striking out the provision permitting of a charge 'being brought against a person in the province into which the liquor was sent.
The second provision authorizes the seizure of liquors in connection with charges made of violation of the Act. The Act as it stands provides that liquor, in regard to which any such offence has been committed, may upon the conviction of the party accused, be confiscated. But if has been found in practice that the provision was defeated by reason of the disappearance of the liquor between the laying of the charge and the obtaining of the conviction. 
It is proposed that there should be power to seize the liquor and 'hold it pending the determination of the charge.
The third provision is to supplement provincial legislation prohibiting the circulation of advertising matter seeking to promote the sale of liquor. The proposed clause prohibits sending through the mails into or within any province advertising matter looking to the sale of liquor, the circulation of which is forbidden by the provincial law. Certain provinces have enacted legislation prohibiting the circulation of such literature and it was thought that it would only be proper that the post office should not carry matter in violation of a provincial law.


Sir SAM HUGHES:: Does that cover an advertisement in a newspaper?


Charles Joseph Doherty: It covers any advertising circulated in any form provided the legislation of the province itself prohibits that sort of advertising. It is a general provision supplementing and protecting provincial legislation.


Mr. MARCIL:: Will this prevent an Ontario house advertising in Quebec papers?


Charles Joseph Doherty: As far as circulation in Quebec is concerned, this law would not touch it unless the provincial legislature of Quebec prohibited the circulation of such advertising. But if a province, say the province of Ontario, prohibits the circulation within the province of advertisements looking to the sale of liquor, this Act will make it an offence for any one to use the mails to send these advertisements into that province, or to use the mails for the purpose of circulating them in that province. It is following up the principle of the measure that, where a province prohibits a thing in the exercise of its power, the legislation enacted will protect that provincial legislation from being violated from an outside source.


Samuel Hughes: It would prevent an English or American paper, or a paper from any other province, containing an advertisement of that character, from coming into the province of Ontario without contravening the provincial law?


Charles Joseph Doherty: If the provincial legislature forbids the circulation of such advertising, then this law will prohibit the use of the post office to send such literature in. The next clause is introduced at the request of a large number of persons interested in temperance. It provides for

the suspension of the Scott Act wherever it is in force in counties upon the petition for an election, but without an election, in all cases where there is in force in that province legislation prohibiting the sale of liquor which in the judgment of the Governor in Council is not less restrictive than the Scott Act. This is in response to a very widely expressed desire on the part of those who are interested in the temperance movement.
Finally, there is a provision to avoid a clash which it has been pointed out exists between a provision in the Proprietary or Patent Medicines Act and the prohibitory laws of certain provinces. The Proprietary and Patent Medicines Act contains a provision imposing a penalty for the fabrication or sale, under the names of patent or proprietary medicines, of preparations containing certain quantities of alcohol. It appears that the courts have held that by reason of that provision, even though the so-called patent medicine may be clearly an alcoholic beverage, as prohibited by the provincial legislation, that clause in the Proprietary and Patent Medicines Act, the Act being Dominion legislation, superseded the provincial legislation. It is proposed by this clause, inserted in the present Bill, to enact that any of the penalties imposed by the Proprietary and Patent Medicines Act shall be in addition to, and not in substitution for, any penalty provided under provincial legislation for the sale of the same article, treating it as the sale of liquor for a beverage.


Samuel Hughes: What is the penalty, under that advertising section, in case a person should happen to address a paper innocently to a friend in Ontario? Would the party sending it, or the friend in Ontario receiving it, be liable?


Charles Joseph Doherty: The penalty is not less than ten dollars and not exceeding one hundred dollars or imprisonment on any person who, by his clerk, his servant or *agent, or any person who as servant or clerk or agent, etc., sends or attempts to send through His Majesty's mail, to or from or within the province, advertising matter the circulation whereof is forbidden by the law of the province.


Samuel Hughes: How would you get at an American citizen who sends such matter into Canada through the mail?


Charles Joseph Doherty: I cannot devise any
criminal law that will apply to people in the United States. It is not within our legislative jurisdiction.


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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. ROCH LAN'OTOT (translation): Before the Orders of the Day are called,
I should desire to hear from the Government when they intend to bring down the report asked several weeks ago, about the losses incurred by some members at the time of the fire that destroyed the Parliament buildings.HrdI
Charles Joseph Doherty: Any provision to meet
claims of that sort would require to be dealt with in the supplementary estimates, the question of what claims, if any, should be recognized, and to what extent there should be compensation, is presently receiving consideration'.



MILITARY SERVICE BILL-LOCATION OF TRIBUNALS, ETC.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Charles Joseph Doherty: I desire to .announce to the
House, for the information of hon. members, that there is and will be in attendance in the office of the Solicitor General, room 260 of this building, an officer of the Department of Justice, for the purpose of receiving information which any members of the House may desire to give with regard to conditions in their respective localities which may be useful to enable us to facilitate, in the carrying out of the Military Service Act, ready resort to the proper tribunal of any persons interested in presenting themselves. It is necessary to provide the proper number of tribunals and to determine their locations, and we feel that nobody better than a member of this House, is in a position to give us information as to the particular conditions in each locality which might necessitate a large or small numbeT of tribunals, and which also might affect the places at which it would be desirable to locate these tribunals. We shall appreciate it very much if hon. members will take pains to put at the disposal of this officer local information of which they are possessed. I think it will be recognized that it will be in the interests of their respective constituents that means should be afforded, in the administration of this Act, to meet, so far

as may'be possible, the reasonable requirements of each locality.


Samuel Hughes: Who is the officer? Mr. DOHERTY:	Mr. PLaxton.


Wilfrid Laurier: Would the
*minister repeat what information is desired? Is it simply geographical information?


Charles Joseph Doherty: All information of any kind that would be helpful in determining how many tribunals would be required to meet the reasonable convenience of the population and also as to the location of tribunals that would most readily lend itself to the convenience of the population. We would be glad to have any information in regard to local conditions that would make it easier to adjust arrangements iso that they would be convenient to the people affected by the Act.


Samuel Hughes: I do not want to interfere, but I think it is quite undignified to ask a member of parliament to go around and call on any clerk or officer, no matter how distinguished he may be. It is the duty of the clerk to hunt up a member of parliament if he wants information concerning a riding. If this officer wants any information concerning my riding, I shall be very glad to give him that information if he calls on me.



DR. BRUCE'S REPORT.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Mr. MURPHY:: Has the Prime Minister or the Government received an answer from Sir George Perley as to the Bruce report?


Robert Laird Borden: We have received a cablegram from Sir George Perley.


Charles Murphy: When may we expect to receive the report?


Robert Laird Borden: I do not know whether the hon. gentleman will receive the report or not. The Government have not come to a conclusion to lay the so-called report upon the table of the House. In any event, we shall not lay it upon the table of the House until the communication which Sir George Perley says he has posted has arrived.


Charles Murphy: The right hon. gentleman may have noticed a cable message published in yesterday's Montreal Gazette referring to the fact that Sir George Perley has said he had sent the report and going on to detail what purported to be an outline 
of its contents, so that there is nothing very private about it.


Robert Laird Borden: I do not know anything about that.


Samuel Hughes: Sir George Perley
has seen fit to go on and answer certain data which I presume are found in Colonel Bruce's report on the Babtie Commission, so I think it very strange that the House is not permitted to have it.


Mr. SPEAKER:: Order. The hon. member is not in order in discussing the subject.


Samuel Hughes: I am perfectly in
order.


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: The hon. member is not in order.


Samuel Hughes: I am entitled to ask why-


Edgar Nelson Rhodes: Order. Discussion is
not in order; there is no motion before the House.


Samuel Hughes: I can surely ask a question. I desire to ask the Government why Sir George Perley has purported to publish to the world an answer to the Babtie report without communicating it to the House.


Robert Laird Borden: I am not aware that Sir George Perley has done anything of the kind.


Wilfrid Laurier: Somebody has done it.



EXCHANGE OF PRISONERS OF WAR. THE POSITION OP HON. MR. BELAND.

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On the Orders of the Day:
Hon. RODOLPHE LEMIEUX:: I notice in the press a statement that there has been an agreement for the exchange of prisoners between the British and the German Governments. I do not know if my right hon. friend the Prime Minister has read that agreement, which is published in the press. What I am anxious to know is if, under that agreement, there is any hope that our colleague, Dr. Beland, may be released or exchanged.


Robert Laird Borden: There is always hope. My hon. friend knows that on every possible occasion effort has been made to secure the release of Dr. Beland, but up to tne present without success. Under the new arrangement which has been alluded

to it may be possible to 'accomplish something. In view of the new arrangement that has .been entered into, I shall direct the attention of the British. Government to his case.



MINISTER OF OVERSEAS MILITARY FORCES AND PARLIAMENTARY SECRETARIES.


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On the motion of Sir Robert Borden, the House went into committee on the following proposed resolution:
That it is expedient to provide for the appointment of a Minister of the Overseas Military Forces, a Parliamentary Secretary of the Department of Militia and Defence, and a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for External Affairs, and that the salary of the said minister be $7,000 per annum, and that the salaries of the said Parliamentary Secretary and of the said Parliamentary Under Secretary be $5,000 per annum. The said offices to continue during the war and until the end of the session of Parliament held next after the war, or, if Parliament is sitting when the war ends, then until the end of such session of Parliament.
Robert Laird Borden: The documents relating to this resolution have been laid on the Table.


Samuel Hughes: I must respectfully ask that hon. members speak a little louder. I have not heard a word uttered by the Chairman or by the minister.


Wilfrid Laurier: I am sorry the ex-Minister of Militia has not heard what the Prime Minister stated, because he has already expressed himself on this question, and pronounced himself 'against it. There are three propositions involved in this resolution. I think, perhaps, it would have been better if they had been kept separate, instead of being bulked together. One proposition is for the creation of a second Minister of Militia, to reside in England. Another is to appoint a parliamentary under secretary for 'the Department of Militia and Defence, and the third proposition is to appoint a parliamentary under secretary for external affairs. It, provides that the salary Of the minister shall be $7,000 per annum and the salaries of the under secretaries $5,000 each. Here are three distinct motions, to create three different offices.
Let us take them separately. The proposition to create a second Minister of Militia seems to be one of very questionable wisdom. We are to have two heads of the Department of Militia, one residing in London and one residing in Ottawa. The 266
matter was discussed between the Prime Minister and the ex-Minister of Militia when the latter was in office, and the judgment of the ex-Minister of Militia, was very strongly pronounced against the creation of the second office. I believe the conclusion arrived at by my hon. friend (Sir Sam Hughes) was absolutely correct. It is impossible for me to conceive why there should be a second head of the Militia Department. There must be confusion, there must be delay, and instead of expediting business, result must be the very reverse. We have this very day a case in point. We have had as hon. gentlemen know, a report sent in by Dr. Bruce in answer to .a report which has been before the House for a long time. Last year the ex-Minister of Militia, when he was in office very properly I believe, appointed Dr. Bruce to examine into the conditions of the military hospitals in Great Britain. Everybody remembers that just twelve months ago the newspapers were filled with complaints against the treatment of our wounded in the military hospitals of Great Britain. Although I followed the matter pretty closely at the time, I could not understand what the nature of the complaint was, but I knew, and everybody knew, that there was dissatisfaction. My hon. friend the ex-Minister of Militia very properly tried to have the matter cleared up, and he appointed one of the most eminent surgeons in Canada, Dr. Bruce, to look into the matter. Dr. Bruce went into the ipatter very thoroughly, .and made a report. The report was not given to us in -Canada, but it was given circulation in Great Britain, and it became at once the 'Subject of very severe comment dn the press of Great Britain, for what reason it was impossible to conceive.
' Another commission was then appointed to investigate the investigation which had been made by Dr. Bruce, and so we had the Ba-btie report. That report condemns Dr. Bruce in many respects, -but it agrees with him in isveral things, and the disagreement, -after all, was only confined to one or two matters. Upon everything else the Babtie report confirmed the judgment pronounced by Dr. Bruce. The report dealt especially with what is known as .the segregation of wounded and sick in,the hospitals. Dr. Brace thought it -advisable, and rightly so, I believe, to pro-poise a review of this report. It is to be borne in mind that the committee of investigation never heard Dr. Brace, never gave him opportunity to reply, and never called upon him to give his views or -state the reasons why he had come to -his



conclusion. He was condemned ex parte. Dr. Bruce very properly, under such conditions, thought he should state his own view of the case, and. he made ia rejoinder to the report of the Babtie Committee. We have this spectacle at the present time- the report was made here to the Minister of Militia; the Minister of Militia in Ottawa sent it to the Minister of Militia in Great Britain, and so we cannot have from the Government a decision upon a matter of such moment as whether or not a report of that kind shall be communicated to Parliament. In my humble judgment, all these reports should have been communicated to Parliament without any comment at all, or without any demand 'being made for them. This is a matter which specially concerns Parliament. It cannot be said that these reports should not be communicated to Parliament because they were of such nature that their publication might be prejudicial to the service. No information detrimental to the service could be given to the enemy by these reports. The enemy could not possibly get any {information which would be serviceable in military operations from anything that iis contained in this report. All that is contained in the report is simply .a statement as to the treatment which our wounded and our sick received in the hospitals in Great Britain.
Why, therefore, is this report not communicated to Parliament? We were told the other day by the Minister of Militia that this report had been sent to Sir George Perley, the Minister of Militia Overseas, and that without the consent of Sir George Perley we cannot have it. There you have at once a conflict of authority. I understood from the Minister of Militia the other day that he had no objection to communicating the report to Parliament, but he thought that it should be sent here through Sir George Perley. Sir George Perley has it; he has been communicated with, and so far as we can gather from the answer given to-day by the Prime Minister, he has not even given an opinion as to whether this report should be submitted to Parliament. Parliament, therefore, is blocked in its work by the fact that we have a second Minister of Militia who is to-day in Great Britain.
I do not see what advantage can result from our having two heads of the Militia Department, one here and one on the other side of the ocean. The Minister of Militia is responsible to this Parliament. Another Minister of Militia, sitting in Great Britain, is responsible also to this Parlia-

ment. What control has Parliament over him? If the Department of Militia is to be properly administered, the gentleman who holds the office of minister should sit in this House. It is unheard of; it cannot conduce to good administration, to have a Minister of Militia who does not sit in this House. The gentleman who administers the Department of Militia, or any other department, should be a member of the Senate or of the House of Commons, sitting each day in his place, ready at all times to give information and to account for the business with which he is entrusted. I may he told: you must have somebody in England to look after militia affairs. Certainly, you must. The gentleman who should be in England to represent the Militia Department should be an officer of that department, responsible directly to the Minister of Militia, who, in turn, is responsibly to Parliament. Take the case of the administration of the fighting forces in Europe. The general in charge of the British army fighting in France is responsible to a minister, who is responsible to Parliament. A condemnation of this new proposal of my right hon. friend is found in the fact that we have two' ministers of the Department of Militia, one here, from whom we can get no information and answers to any questions that may he put, and one in England, from whom we cannot get information in relation to a matter of such moment as that to which I have referred.


Robert Laird Borden: The right hon. (gentleman continually comes back to the report of Dr. Bruce, whatever subject may be under discussion by Parliament. He entirely overlooks the fact that since Colonel Bruce's report was made there has been an entire reorganization of the army medical service overseas. That service is now under the direct control of General Foster, of whom I spoke yesterday. General Foster is the Director of Medical Service so far as the Canadian Expeditionary Force in Great Britain and France is concerned. The management, therefore, which was the subject (of Colonel Bruce's report and animadversion has been changed in the meantime, and I have not heard any criticism of the management or administration of General Foster since he took charge. So far as the comment of Colonel Bruce is concerned, I have explained over and over again that in the ordinary course it should have gone to the Minister of Overseas Service, 'because it related to matters which are under his

jurisdiction. The jurisdiction is not common to the Minister of Militia and Defence and the Minister of Overseas Service. The jurisdiction was divided, just as in Great Britain the ministry of munitions took over part of that jurisdiction which had previously been exercised by the Secretary of State for War, and just as the ministry of shipping in Great Britain has taken over part of the jurisdiction formerly appertaining to another department.
I could name twelve, fourteen, perhaps twenty different instances in Great Britain where a part of the jurisdiction of one department was transferred to another department, for the very simple reason that the exigencies of the war demanded it.
Mr. MARCH,: Do these new ministers sit in the British House of Commons?


Robert Laird Borden: I think that nearly all are members of the House, but they do not pretend to sit in the House all the time. Sir George Perley is a member of this House. He cannot be here and at the same time attend to his duties overseas; questions have to be answered here on his behalf. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen) informs me that Sir Joseph Maclay, Minister of Shipping, is not a member of Parliament in Great Britain. Sir Joseph Maclay has direction of all matters respecting the providing of shipping. He directs where it shall be employed; whether it shall be employed on the Atlantic or on the Pacific; whether it can be most usefully employed in transportation between Great Britain and Australia and New Zealand, between Great Britain and Canada and the United States, or between Great Britain and Argentine. He has under his direction the building of additional shipping, not only in Great Britain, but in all parts of the world. He has an exceedingly important jurisdiction. One of our last duties in our recent visit to Great Britain was to confer with him.


Wilfrid Laurier: He does not sit in Parliament, but he must be responsible to some minister who does sit in Parliament. He cannot be independent; I am sure of that.


Robert Laird Borden: So far as that is concerned, Sir George Perley, as I have already mentioned, is a member of and is responsible to this Parliament.
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, although a member of Parliament, does not attend all the sittings of Parliament. He goes there only on very exceptional occa-


Wilfrid Laurier: Oh, he does
attend.	*


Robert Laird Borden: I beg my
right hon. friend's pardon. An arrangement, was made under which Mr. Bonar Law, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, was appointed leader in the House of Commons,, with the direct intention, which has been carried out very fully, that the leader of the Government should not be burdened with parliamentary duties, but that he should direct the whole of his time and energies to matters concerned with the' carrying on of the war. He does go there on important occasions, but very rarely indeed. While we were in Great Britain, during more than two months I do not think that he went to the House of Commons half a dozen times. The leadership of the House' of Commons is carried on by Mr. Bonar Law, not by the leader of the Government.
As far as the remaining criticism of my right hon. friend is concerned, I do not know that it calls for any answer at the present time. The duties which have been imposed upon the Minister of Overseas service are very considerable; his jurisdiction is complete with regard to the troops that are overseas. He reports to Council through the Prime Minister; the reports that he makes are submitted to the Minister of Militia and Defence in order that Council may have the benefit of the suggestions of the Minister of Militia and Defence with regard to any recommendations so made. There has been no friction; there has been no difficulty, so far as I am aware, and I think the system has worked out very well-


Charles Marcil: What as the object of having ,a Minister of Militia and Defence overseas? The Overseas Minister must report to the ^minister here so that his recommendations may reach, Council. Why would not a deputy minister in England responsible to the Minister of Militia here serve the purpose?


Robert Laird Borden: We did not think that would seme the purpose as well as a Minister of Militia overseas.


Wilfrid Laurier: At long range.


Robert Laird Borden: It is true that he does not happen to be here. But the 2664


Wilfrid Laurier: My right hon. friend states that a Minister of Shipping has been appointed in England. I am not aware of the circumstances of this
new.-

creation. There may 'be suidh am officer [DOT]there, but I am satisfied that it he is not a /member of one branch or the other oi the British Parliament, he is serving under a minister who is responsible to Parliament, who sits in Parliament and answers for .him. Without knowing the circumstances,
1 am satisfied of that. My right hon. friend is surely not serious in comparing the position of Sir George Parley .as Minister of Militia overseas with that of Mr. Lloyd George, Prime Minister of England. When Mr. Lloyd George became Prime Minister and reorganized the Government, he divested himself of many of the duties which hitherto appertained to the Premiership. He has not undertaken to lead the House hknself, having handed over that duty to Mr. Bonar Law, who is to-day the leader of the House .and who attends to .all the business of the House, .because some member of the Government must be in the House to look after the business of the House generally, 'and, if needs be, to support before the House the policies of the Government. Although Mr. Lloyd George has to ia large extent divested himself of the burdens .appertaining ordinarily to the Premiership of Great Britain, .still he is the Prime Minister .and a member of the British House of Commons, and when some great occasion .arises he comes to Parliament to explain the policy of the Government and to lead the House. Is my right hon. friend going to compare Mr. Lloyd George's position with that of Sir George Perley? It is true .that Sir George Perley has been elected a member of this House, and that he can sit here at 'any time, but for all the practical purposes of his appointment as Minister of Militia overseas, he does not sit in this House, and under those circumstances there would be confusion. This appointment, so for from working with advantage, would, I think, work with great disadvantage, .and a better way would be to make the position the same as that of the new 'Minister of Shipping, Mr. Macluy, who serves under a minister who is responsible for him in the British House of Commons.


Robert Laird Borden: I do not understand why my right hon. friend attributes to my remarks some meaning which I did not at all intend to convey. I understood my right hon. friend to raise the objection that Sir George Perley was not here to answer questions. In reply I pointed out to him that even a gentleman so directly responsible as the Prime Minister of the 
United Kingdom has found it necessary, for the purposes of this war, to divest himself almost wholly of his parliamentary duties and to hand those duties over to another member of Parliament. I was drawing the conclusion that, under our present conditions a minister of the overseas forces should stay at his post in Great Britain and devote himself to his duties there instead of coming here to discharge duties in this House. I was not comparing their relative positions. I was .comparing the two facts that in both cases there was urgent need; in the one case that the Prime Minister should relieve himself of his' parliamentary duties, .and in the otheT case, as we think, that the .Minister of Overseas Service should devote himself to his duties on the spot in Great Britain and not cross the seas, leaving those duties to take care of themselves, and sit in this House to answer questions.


Samuel Hughes: Would the Prime
Minister explain to the House what the functions of the overseas Minister of Militia may. be, what those of the Minister of Militia in Canada may be, wherein they harmonize, and wherein they clash?


Robert Laird Borden: They do not clash at all; they harmonize in every respect. The Order in Council already laid on the Table defines the duties of the Minister of Militia for Overseas Service. He assumes a part of the jurisdiction formerly exercised by the Minister of Militia and Defence. He assumes in respect of the Canadian forces overseas the duties which had. been previously exercised in respect of that force by the Minister of Militia and Defence.


Charles Marcil: If Sir George Perley is
to receive a /salary from the day of his appointment, he will be violating the independence o.f Parliament Act because, having accepted an office of emolument under the Crown, he .should vacate his seat in this House and return to his constituents to seek re-election. Does the salary date from the date of his appointment or from the date of the closing of this House?


Robert Laird Borden: The point raised by my hon. friend is provided for in the Bill to be founded on this resolution, and we have in regard to it numerous precedents in Great Britain since the war began.


Charles Marcil: Are there precedents in the cases of the other two appointments?


Samuel Hughes: I have no objection whatever to the portion of this resolution

referring to the Parliamentary Secretary for Militia and the Parliamentary Undersecretary for External Affairs, and I shall be only too pleased to assist in the passing of the resolution as regards them. Their appointment is a very good idea.
I object, however, to the appointment of a Minister of the Overseas Military Forces, to be stationed in England, not only on the ground of the administrative character of the office, but on the ground of the manner in which it is being conducted. In the first place, we have the fact that although the second Bruce report in answer to the Babtie report has not yet been laid on the table of the House, we have a commentary upon it published yesterday in England by Sir George Perley. This report should be withheld until this House is in possession of it. From Sir George Perley's admissions yesterday, we have for the first time a clear idea of what the Militia Department has been up against so far as that gentleman as High Commissioner is concerned. From the outset of this war, Sir George Perley has taken the stand that Canada is in the position of a Crown colony and that we should have no right, nor recognition, nor control, over our troops beyond the seas, other than what may be accorded to us by the British War Office. Since 1914, Sir George Perley took the position that I, as Minister of Militia of Canada, had nothing whatever to say or to do in connection with the troops in England, and that any arrangements from a military viewpoint were absolutely under the control of the British War Office. The letting of contracts, purchases for the troops, the establishment of the V.A.D. hospitals and matters of that kind, of course, would be arranged, as they evidently, according to the report published yesterday, have been arranged, through Sir George Perley's influence with the British authorities.
The findings of the Bruce report of a year ago have been more than justified by reason of the fact that the V.A.D. hospitals in England are being practically wiped out to-day by the British medical authorities themselves. In fact, they are no longer in existence, orders having been issued that they are all to be congregated together and run as proper hospitals. I think the statement has been made that they will contain not less than 500 beds in place of the small number they used to contain, and I understand that the control is to be entirely different. As I have said, I have no objection whatever to this resolution, provided the Department of Militia overseas is left
under the control of the Department of Militia in this country. There is no use shutting our eyes to the facts. There is not a member of this House who has had dealings with the Militia Department since Sir Edward Kemp took control who has not felt sorry for that gentleman on account of the humiliating position which he has been obliged to take again and again in connection with military matters.


Sir EDWAED KEMP:: Oh, no.


Samuel Hughes: He has no say in these matters. I understand that he has been reprimanded repeatedly for presuming to ask certain questions of those in control across the sea. He bears it all with very good grace, but there is not one of us who has not realized the humiliating position in which he has been placed. I would sometimes write a letter to the department fpr some mother asking for information about her son, and would receive a printed reply saying, "We understand from Sir George Perley's Office that so and so," and I would be told to proceed under such and such a section of the Act, and in the course of a year or two I might get the desired information.
But apart from the personal element, there is also this fact:	Officers sail from
this country under pay, under discipline, under an allowance and under the administration of the Department of Militia in this country, but when they get to the other side they are subjected to an entirely different set of conditions. For instance, the Minister of Militia here, no matter what his knowledge of an officer may be, has no say in promoting him once he gets across the water. There is another very .serious objection-I am giving these objections very briefly-and that is the tremendous expense involved. The statement is made that whereas General Carson administered the whole of Canada's war department in England with less than 50 men, and did it well, despite the fact that Sir George Perley attempted to thwart -him at every turn by interfering, there are now 1,200 to 4 p.m. 1,500 men, not counting the pay officers, doing the work of the Adjutant General's office and other offices. In fact, I understand that only about 30 men were employed by General Carson for this work. I challenge any member of this House whc has taken a battalion overseas to stand up in his place and say that he has received satisfactory treatment from the Overseas Militia Office in England.


Samuel Hughes: I don't know anything about that. They aTe under the Militia Department, but I cannot say whether their appointments are civil or military.
I certainly cannot see why the Bruce report in answer to the Babtie charges has not been published; but that is neither here nor there. As it has not been published, I certainly think it was a strange proceeding on the part of Sir George Perley to seek to answer it in advance in the press of England yesterday. I will not

say that his statement was given to his subsidized press, who have been sending out a continual stream of reports from his office during the last three years on lines suitable to him, but his statement was certainly calculated to prejudice public opinion in advance of the publication of the Bruce report after Parliament has been prorogued. Under all the circumstances, I think that that part of the resolution referring to Sir George Perley's salary should be withheld until the Bruce report is published.


Robert Laird Borden: 
Samuel Hughes: All I have to say then, is that the Minister of Militia and Defence has fallen very greatly in my estimation for permitting it to go out.


Robert Laird Borden: The blame will have to lie where it belongs, if it is a document of the character described by my hon. friend. It was really prepared, ! think, for the purpose of giving certain information and suggestions in a convenient form, as the inquiries were very numerous.
I do not find that the press despatch in the Montreal Gazette contains any reply to Colonel Bruce's report. There is a reference to what Colonel Bruce's report contains, but the comments upon it are not set forth in the despatch in the slightest degree.
As to the number of men employed overseas in connection with the administration of the forces in England, I should be greatly surprised if the number exceeds the number employed under the administration of my hon. friend (Sir Sam Hughes). I cannot speak positively as to that, because I have never made any computation, but I know that most of the men at the head of departments over there are men An whom my hon. friend had a great deal of confidence. There is Colonel McRae, for instance, who was at the head of the Quartermaster General's Department under the administration of my hon. friend. He has proved himself very capable, and is still at the head of that department. Colonel Ross, who is at the head of the Pay Department, and is a very capable man, was also selected by my hon. friend. Colonel Foster had a long record in the permanent force, and was regarded by my hon. friend as a man worthy of an important position. I do not think he filled

his present position under my hon. friend's administration, but I understand that ne filled some position of importance in France. Colonel Thacker, I think, retains practically the same position he had before, that of Adjutant General. As regards General Turner, who is the head of the military organization in England, I think it is universally agreed that in the discharge of his new duties he has proved himself very diligent and very efficient. These, I think, are the most important changes that have been made.
There really has not been any friction in carrying out the work of the two departments. They co-operate with each other very harmoniously. There are doubtless suggestions from one department to the other from time to time, but there has been no friction, and no difficulty.


Samuel Hughes: That fly-sheet, I understand, wias prepared in England, or at least it is very similar to one that was in use in England. I do not know 'whether the Minister of Militia for Canada is anxious to claim the fatherhood of the thing or not, but I take the ground-I have taken it for a quarter of a century, and I shall take it for -a quarter of a century more-that with all due regard to my hon. friend the Minister of Justice (Mr. Doherty), and the proposition he has made to-day, I will not communicate with (the Minister of Militia, or with any other gentleman occupying the position of minister, 'through any subordinate on matters affecting my constituency, or any of my constituents. The proper plan, When any member has anything to do with any department, is to notify the minister of the department. I notify the Minister of Militia and get back in return this notice: "You will be kind enough to read this over and see which section refers to the case in point; then notify your friend in the country that she is to apply to the P. W. X. Y. officer in her district, who will in turn report the matter to the Militia Department here; in due time it will reach England and France, and in the course of the next quarter of a century or more a reply will come back. That is not the manner in which things were done when I was in charge of the department. I recognized members of Parliament had the right to come to me and ask me questions, and I, as Minister of Militia, looked after these things and saw that their requests were properly attended to, and as far as we could we gave them the data. I could give an instance to this House where a mother had tried for over two months to find out what
had happened to her son. I aim not blaming the present Minister of Militia, because he had nothing to do with it, although he is taking the blame as a gentleman and trying to look happy. Finally, that poor mother appealed to me. Through the sources of information which I had, I found out in less than two days that her son was dead and had been buried in France last January, he having been wounded in the latter part of November. Three weeks after that mother had received my message, she received-I do not blame this ofiice here-an intimation from that concern in London that this young man was dangerously ill at a hospital in France, when, as ai matter of fact, her poor boy was dead and buried on the 5th of January. The mother again appealed to me, and upon making further inquiries the information which I had received was verified. I am merely pointing out what this system does. It is bureaucracy, and it is against proper administration and action. That is the only point I am making in regard to the matter. As to the officers in London, I venture to say that the number is twenty times as great as it was formerly. I am not speaking of the senior officers. They could not get rid of a good many of the senior officers over there if they tried.


Robert Laird Borden: In which department has there been an increase?


Samuel Hughes: In the Adjutant
General's department -and in others. I do not know how they employ all the men there are to he found in the Argyle building. My right hon. friend the Prime Minister was over there and he saw them. There are six buildings filled with these gentlemen, whereas General Carson had only fifty and that included the clerical service and the Quarter-master General's staff.


Charles Marcil: Are these gentlemen civilians or soldiers? If they are soldiers why do they not go to the front?


Samuel Hughes: I do not know, but I understand they ore mostly soldiers. I would suggest to my right hon. friend the Prime Minister that he might inquire as to the number of men who are employed in that building alone. The information I have is largely obtained from gentlemen of high standing who have been over there, and who have returned to Canada, as well as some officers who have returned. I have not made any enumeration whatever, as I did not think it was part of my function to

do so. I have assisted the minister in Canada in every legitimate way, and I have retrained from meddling in the work at all. But my information is that there are six buildings full of gentlemen in London doing the work which was formerly done by General Carson and his fifty men. I would ask any officer in the minister's department to speak up. frankly and say how the thing is going. The department here has been wiped out of existence in so far .as control of the Record office work or any other work is concerned. I believe that a change has come about in the last few months whereby Canada is recognized to a certain extent as being entitled to her rights. But all the service that I can find that Sir George Perley was rendering to this country was simply putting obstacles in the way .and in bringing these V.A.D. hospitals under the patronage of some distinguished people in England, and in that way making them appendages to the British machine, rather than independent entities under the direction of the great nation which Canada is to-day.


Rodolphe Lemieux: 
Samuel Hughes: Why should not an under-secretary of the Militia Department, for instance, relieve the minister of a great deal of work?
M.r. LEMIEUX: Le<t us take the .undersecretary of External Affairs, and I say, without fear of being contradicted, that, with the Prime Minister as head of that branch of the service and with Sir Joseph Pope, who works night and day for his country, who attends to his duty as no other officials in the Government attend to their duties, an under-secretary is not needed-unless it is to prepare campaign literature. I do not say that the hon. gentleman-dioos that, but I repeat that, with Sir Joseph Pope at the head of the department, no under-secretary is needed, and nobody in Ottawa will believe he is needed. My hon. friend says: What about the Department of Militia? If he will accept that bouquet from me, I will say that, as long as the hon. member (Sir Sam Hughes) was at the head of the Militia Department, the hon. member for Shelburne was not needed as under-secretary. The ex-minister could do his work and do it well.


Samuel Hughes: I must say that I would have been only too delighted, and was delighted after he was appointed, to have the services of this worthy member. He was certainly of great assistance to me in the department.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Coming back to Sir
George Perley, I say that the new office of Overseas Minister is not at all needed. We have the right to appoint a High Commissioner din London, -and if a successor to Lord Strathcona bad been appointed four or five years ago, the High 'Commissioner for Canada in London to-diay would not have needed by his side an Overseas Minister. Australia is playing its part, in the present war; New Zealand also; hot I do not know that any Overseas Ministers nave been appointed for those two Dominions. For what reason is Sir George Perley put in that position? The High Commissioner for Canada should be the channel of communication -between' the British authorities, the Canadian general, the Canadian troopis. land the Canadian Government. For my part, I do not want to see the day when a 'Canadian minister will be residing in London. I want to -see the Can-adian ministers in the Canadian House of Commons, -and not in London. They are responsible to Canada and to Canada only, and I am glad to find my bon. friend (Sir Sam- Hughes) taking the stand that the Minister of Militia is primarily responsible to the Parliament of Canada and to the Canadian people. The atmosphere of London is uncongenial to some of our Canadian statesmen. Not very long ago, I read in the Canadian Courier of Toronto the following, on the subject of Canadian autonomy:
Sir Robert is imperialistic. Autonomy is rapidly disappearing and, ominously, the losses are being outrun by imperialistic phraseology. Sir Robert declares that he is a member of "The Imperial War Cabinet,*' although there is no such thing. He has agreed that Canadian resources shall be considered "Empire resources'* and Canadian assets. "Imperial assets." He has agreed to "concerted action" in the development of "the Empire's resources," and to the establishment of an "Imperial Development Board" to <ie-vise methods, to advise and to guide. He has agreed to the creation of the "Imperial Mineral Resources Bureau" to consider how our resources may he "made available to meet the total requirements of the Empire." He has bound up our economic interests with all parts of the King's dominions. He has associated us with all the Allies in a "common economic policy," as against all outsiders, including the United States. Sir Starr Jameson's Committee proposes making Imperial profit out of our lands. The Earl of Dunraven declares that our fisheries "must be viewed as an Imperial
not as a local asset." Sir Robert agrees that "our natural resources ought to be conserved for the general national benefit." Canada has ceased to he autonomous. She has become a British sphere of influence.
Whilst I do not object to Canada being
a British sphere of influence in the broad, sense, I much prefer to have her one of the Overseas Dominions, possessing her full 'autonomy and living n-p to the precedents and the principles which are laid down in the British constitution.


Albert Edward Kemp: I wish to refer to only one phase of the discussion and that is in regard to what has been described as a fly sheet.
I object to this document which I hold in my hand, a circular letter dated February 11, 1917, and for which I am responsible, being called by such an undignified name. It has been found that the more troops we send overseas and the more that arrived in France and the more casualties that occurred, the more inquiries reach the department from the relatives of the soldiers.
That is qnitS natural, and as the inquiries have increased in number, running sometimes into thousands a day, we have endeavoured to classify them. After careful study we classified them under ten different heads, -and1 I think we have pretty nearly covered the %round. It is impossible for the Minister of Militia to personally see .all the friends -and relatives who make these requests, and i-t is impossible for the Minister of Militia to conduct -all the correspondence in connection with them. Nevertheless ia letter is -dictated' -and -sent to every relative and friend of the soldier at the front, or in England or in Canada, who makes inquiry. On the 1st February, 1917, we embodied these requests under ten different headings, -and I shall take up a moment of the time of the House to read whiat was intended by the issue of this circular. I think the committee will agree with me that -such .action was necessary. In fact, I may say that the circular which I bold in my band was found to be so popular that we have had several different editions printed since that time, and have had them circulated amongst members of provincial legislatures!, members of Parliament, members of the Government, the judges, and prominent people from one end of the Dominion to the other. These circulars have done great service in- giving information in respect to the conditions and the surroundings of soldiers with respect to whom requests were made that they should he sent out to Canada on furlough.

The circular reads:
Department of Militia and Defence Canada.
Memorandum Regarding Methods of Dealing
With Personal Requests Concerning Soldiers Serving Overseas With the Canadian Expeditionary Force.
A large number of requests of a personal nature with reference to soldiers serving overseas with the Canadian Expeditionary Force are daily received by this department and by the Canadian military authorities in England. It is, therefore, considered desirable to explain the methods which, in the interests of fair and equitable treatment to all concerned, are followed in each case.
The policy adopted with respect to these requests has been formulated with every possible regard for the personal interests of the soldiers concerned and the natural anxiety and interest on their behalf of their relatives and friends. It should be remembered, however, that, at this stage of the war the brave men of our own Canadian army and those of the British and Allied armies require all the support that can be given them in their heroic fight for liberty, justice and civilization. To this end the services of every available man in whatever capacity his physical and other capabilities fit him to occupy are urgently required both in England and at the front. It should, therefore, be clearly understood that the exigencies of the military situation must be the primary consideration in dealing with such requests.
The following statement explains the procedure adopted in dealing with the various cases mentioned.
A. E. Kemp,
Minister of Militia and Defence.
Ottawa, February 1, 1917.


Samuel Hughes: 
Albert Edward Kemp: No.


Samuel Hughes: You have taken
that out, have you?
Sir EDWARD KE'MPi: I do not find any statement of that kind in it. I will not take up the time to read the rest of the circular;
I shall simply read the general headings, which are: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
1.	Requests for commissions for men serving overseas.
2.	Requests for the return of men to take out commissions in Canada.
3. Requests for the return of officers for duty in Canada.
4. Requests for promotions.
5. Requests for transfer of soldiers overseas from one unit to another.
6.	Requests for leave or discharge on medical grounds.
7. Requests for leave or	discharge on ''compassionate grounds."
S. Requests for leave to Canada during convalescence, after being wounded or after sickness.

9.	Requests for return to Canada on the grounds that the soldier has been found medically unfit for service in the trenches.
10.	Requests for discharge of soldiers overseas who are said to be under military age.
These are the general classifications under which we, can fairly class the thous-sands upon thousands of requests that came from soldiers and friends of soldiers overseas in France or England, and it has been of great service to the friends of the soldiers,-and has proved, in my opinion to be a great success.


Mr. BURNHAM:: The hon. gentleman
from Rouville (Mr. Lemieux) has made a statement which will go from one end of this country to the other, and appear as an uncontradicted statement, to the effect that the newly-created office of Under-Secretary for External Affairs was for campaign purposes. Surely it must be patent to anybody that such a charge against the integrity of this Government is an exceedingly serious one. If either ought to be backed up or withdrawn, and it most distinctly ought to be promptly contradicted. The people of this country are more than alive to charges of any description, particularly at this time, and I cannot rest content without protest, if such a charge as this, made by a distinguished front bencher of the Opposition, is not at least disputed, or, in some way, required to be confirmed. The hon. gentleman from Rouville knows perfectly well that what he said will go with tremendous weight to the people of this country. An election is impending. The justification for the creation of the position has not been set out; no doubt it will be. The salary, I am free to confess, being $7,500 a year-that is the Sessional indemnity and the salary-is to my mind excessive at this time. I will vote for it, because we are on the eve of an election.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Hear, hear.


John Hampden Burnham: I feel that we have got to vote for it.


Mr. PUGSLEY:: You want all you can get.


John Hampden Burnham: I think it is too much.
I am willing to go it blind and vote for it, but I am not willing to go it blind with a charge uncontradicted, like that made by the hon. gentleman from Rouville. That statement is ian .absolute insult to this House, if it is not true, and if it is not true it most distinctly requires explanation of the most serious kind. If we can sit in this House and listen to charges of that

kind and they do not disturb our equanimity, we are on the 'brink of a moral catastrophe, to put it mildly. I do not wonder the people .are shocked -at partyism and partisanship, which applies, of course, to. both parties. I cannot resume my seat without reiterating the statement that such a charge as that should Ibe promptly withdrawn as an ignominious exaggeration, made for party purposes at an opportune time, without one tittle of proof or reason, or that it should be substantiated. I hear nothing from the hon. gentleman from Rou-ville during the course of my humble remarks to indicate that he has the slightest intention of taking it back. If is a very ts-ad commentary, indeed, upon the state of affairs in this 'Country, if such a statement can be made with impunity.


Robert Laird Borden: I doubt very much whether the language which has fallen from the hon. gentleman from Rou-ville (Mt. Lemieux) will produce anything like the impression which my hon. friend from Peterborough seems to imagine. We hear very often from the hon. gentleman from Renville in a somewhat exaggerated way.
I do not know that any one takes his remarks very seriously. As a matter of fact, he is profoundly ignorant of the subject which he undertook to discuss. I know what the duties of the Prime Minister as Secretary of State for External Affairs have been during the past two or three years. I know those duties better, perhaps, than any other hon. member of the House, and I venture to say that they have been twenty times as great as they were under normal conditions. The correspondence with the Mother Country, on matters frequently of the greatest importance, has been as much in a month as under ordinary conditions it would be in a year; I believe that I am understating the fact in that respect. The Under-Secretary of State for External Affairs has been occupied with the duties of his office during very long hours. He has rendered very important assistance; he has done good work, relieving me from very many matters which previously occupied my attention. My only regret is that I did not take steps early in the war to have an Under-Secretary of State for External Affairs appointed; it would have been better for the interests of the country had I done so. I would have had more time to give to general considerations; my attention would not have been eo much taken up with matters which, though important, were nevertheless of a
somewhat routine character. As to the necessity that Parliamentary secretaries in Great Britain should -go back to their constituents, on their appointment, the hon. member is -as bal-dy informed as about other matters of which he has spoken. If he had seen fit to inform himself before speaking, he would have known that when the Government of the United Kingdom was reconstituted nearly a year ago, an Act was passed which made it unnecessary for the members taking office to he elected again to Parliament. The period over which that law took effect was two or three months, a sufficient length of time to enable the Government to be reorganized and the ministers to assume their duties. We are doing on a very small scale indeed in respect of these three gentlemen what was done in Great Britain in December and January last on a very large scale. When my hon. friend speaks of British precedent, he puts the best possible argument into my -mouth because- I need -only refer to British precedent to establish thoroughly the position which I have taken. It is perfectly true that Mr. Churchill had an election- recently in Dundee. I am speaking, how-eve-r, o-f the period when the British Government was reorganized, a period of two or three months, over which the statute to which I allude extended The statute ceased hi have operation after the time mentioned; in the meantime, the Government had been reorganized. I am citing that as an instance where, upon a very large scale indeed, Parliament made provision for members accepting offices of emolument under the Crown without the necessity of being returned again as members of Parliament.


Charles Marcil: Does this salary of the Overseas Minister date from the time of his appointment?


Robert Laird Borden: It dates from the time he commenced to discharge his duties. I have already explained that Sir George Perley has written a letter to me in which he expresses a desire not to receive any salary. The hon. member for Rouville (Mr. Lemieux) has made remarks with regard to Sir George Perley that I think are not in very good taste. For six years Sir George Perley -has discharged the duties of a minister of the Crown without any remuneration whatever. During that time he has continually undertaken the discharge of duties for other ministers, sometimes for three, four or five months at a time. He has worked hard and inde-

fatigably in the discharge of the duties so confided to him, sometimes during the long summer months administering here in Ottawa three or four departments when the heads of those departments were taking needed rest. I venture to say that he has given more service to the people of this country without remuneration than a dozen like the member for Rouville ever did or are ever likely to. He has discharged the duties of High Commissioner for three years in London without any remuneration whatever. I think, therefore, that it is perhaps not in the best taste to comment in 'the tone which my hon. friend from' Rouville saw fit to assume with regard to the salary which I now propose to ask Parliament to vote for that office.


Wilfrid Laurier: My right hon. friend has said that the remarks of the member for Rouville were not in the best of taste; I would suggest that my right hon. friend's remarks in 'answer to the member ifor Rouville are far from being in the best of taste. The member for Rouville had good reason $o speak as he did; he showed that he knew as much about the subject with -which he was dealing as my right hon. friend did. Last year, or the year before, when the British Government was reorganized, a special Act was passed for a special occasion, dispensing with the necessity of the ministers going before their electors before accepting office. But this Act was only temporary, and they have now reverted to the old practice of requiring a member of the House of Commons to go before his electors before accepting an office of emolument under the Crown. The latest instance of this was the election of Mr. Churchill. In this respect, therefore, my hon, friend (Mr. Lemieux) was well 'advised in speaking as be did. I think that we had better approach the discussion of this matter not with our tempers, but with frankness 'and as 'becomes members of Parliament. I am prepared to believe what my right bon. friend says with regard to the work of the Department of External Affairs. I knew the work when I was in office, and I am sure that during the war it has increased immensely. That the inside work has increased, -and that the member for North Bruce (Mr. Hugh Clark)- with whom nobody has any quarrel; whom everybody in this House respects-has done <a good deal to relieve the Prime Minister of the discharge of duties which would otherwise have fallen upon him, I am prepared to believe. But in what respect has

the Prime Minister been relieved upon the floor of this House by the member for North Bruce? Whatever the member for North Bruce 'may have done in his office, so far as the work of this House is concerned he has not earned the salary which it is proposed to give him os Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State. Whether or not he is entitled to the secretaryship we need not diiscuss now; we will come to that when the second reading of the Bill is reached.
With regard to the Parliamentary Secretary of the Department of Militia and Defence, I say the same; I leave it to every man in this committee whether he has been of any assistance to the Minister of Militia. The member for Rouville referred to the *work done by Sir Joseph Pope. Sir Joseph Pope is a very good officer; he may have equals, but certainly he has no superior in activity, energy, integrity and all the qualities required of one in his position. If he requires a larger staff, it is proper that he should get it. However, we will defer the discussion of these matters until we reach the second reading of the Bill.


Robert Laird Borden: I rise only to
say that I disagree with the right hon. gentleman in his belief that in Great Britain the duties of Parliamentary Under-Secretary are confined to answering questions in Parliament.


Wilfrid Laurier: Not confined.
iSir ROBERT BORDEN: Or to doing work of that kind.


Wilfrid Laurier: I did not say so.
iSir ROBERT BORDEN: If they are not confined to that, then my hon. friend's argument falls absolutely to the ground. Does he mean to say that Sir George Murray suggested the appointment of undersecretaries in this country merely for the purpose of having them answer questions in Parliament? Any such idea as that is out of the question. They were suggested for the purpose of relieving, to a certain extent, the ministers in discharge of their official duties, not only in Parliament, but in respect to the work of their office. The work of the office is much more burdensome and serious than the work in Parliament, because the former extends throughout all the year. So fax as that is concerned, the new under secretaries may not, up to the present time, have taken up a very large share of the work in Parliament. They 'are

new to the duties of their office, and it is *beyond question that in other sessions they will, more and more, assume a .larger share of parliamentary duties in addition to the work which they perform in connection with office routine.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I do not resent what my Tight hon. friend has stated in regard to the remarks I made, but I would like to know from him what he finds in those remarks which is out of taste concerning Sir George Perley. I have said nothing against Sir George Perley. He is a personal friend1 of mine, but if Sir George Perley chooses to be High .Commissioner for Canada in London, as there is a salary attaching to that function, let him resign as a member of the Government and then let him accept that position, and nobody will find fault with him. But if he chooses to be acting High Commissioner in London and at the same time be overseas Minister of Militia and Defence, to accept emo.uniont as snch and. not seek re-election, I say, as a Canadian, and as a .student of British institutions 'and the Canadian constitution, that /Sir George Perley is evading one of the cardinal principles of onr Canadian constitution and of the British institution. I cited the example of Mr. Churchill, who is just as important a man in the British Government as Sir George Per.ey is in the .Oanadian Government. Mr. Churchill has had, for a young man, a long and brilliant career in public life, and yet when he is called upon by his Sovereign to join the British Government, he resigns his .seat; he goes before his electors in Dundee; he gets re-elected, and he joins the Government and can receive the emoluments of office. By what divine Tight should Sir George Perley-who, it is true, has been acting High Commissioner in London without any emolument, but on whose head honours have been showered, he has been knighted for that very object-now join the Government, receive emolument and not seek re-election from the farmers of the county of Argenteuil? He must not expect the electors of Argenteuil to look upon him as their representative in the Government if he does not adhere to the principles of the Canadian constitution. By what right, I repeat, can Sir George Perley (after having been away from Canada for five years), become a minister of tlie Crown and not seek re-election from his electors in the county of Argenteuil? High as is Sir George Perley, knighted as he may be, I say that the plain farmer,
Mr. McGibbon, who is a candidate against him in Argenteuil, will defeat him to-morrow if he runs in that county.


Samuel Hughes: Is it the intention that Sir George Perley or any other person accepting the office of Minister of the Overseas Military Forces shall not seek re-election?


Rodolphe Lemieux: Yes.


Wilfrid Laurier: There is a provision in the Bill for that.


Robert Laird Borden: It is not in
the resolution; it will be in the Bill. It is the same provision as was enacted in Great Britain last December or January.


Charles Marcil: In the British Bill the appointment was not made retroactive; here it is made retroactive, and Sir George Perley will draw his salary from the date of his appointment, not from the date of the passage of this Bill.


Samuel Hughes: I object to there being two Ministers of Militia both on account of the dual control and on constitutional grounds. What we should have in England is an officer responsible to the Minister of Militia or some other member of the Government here, but that officer should not have ministerial functions. What has happened shows that my contention is justified. We should have some officer who will be in a position similar to that of General Carson. Let Sir George Perley be responsible to the Minister of Militia here.
Mr. LEMIEUX- And responsible to his electors here.


Samuel Hughes: That goes without saying.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Not according to the Prime Minister.


Samuel Hughes: I would not have a *minister in England at all, so that the officer appointed would not require to be responsible to .any electors. The manner in which the appointment is provided for in the Bill would place in the hands of the party in power an autocratic authority that should not be exercised by any Government, and it would have .a .tendency to take away from the people certain rights, which, under the constitutipn, they 'are entitled to exercise.
The Minister of Militia in Canada does not understand my objection to his circular. If my recollection serves me aright, the first circular that came out distinctly

stated that Sir George Perley objected to being troubled with those letters. He objected to having those questions asked of him. The poor people throughout the length and breadth of the country do not know that the country is divided into military districts, and who these red tab and brass tab people in the Militia Departments are. I understood that the people' were not posted on 'the petty details of the department, and when a mother from any part of the Dominion wrote a letter to the department, I instructed that it be handed to a clerk who had as many brains and as much capacity to act as any red tab officer in London, Kingston, Toronto, or other military district. Whenever a member of Parliament came into the department the instructions were that he was to be shown into my room alt once; that when he sent a communication, that communication was to be acted on as though it was an order from the people's representative, and we did what we could to meet the people's wishes, eo that any request which a member made, even although it was in regard to a poor, common soldier, should be looked after immediately. The reason I take exception to this appointment is that this is not meeting the people's representatives with the dignity, the courtesy &nd the business treatment to which they are entitled. Let me give a specific instance. A poor woman from London, Ontario, wrote to the Minister of Militia, asking some questions. An officer under the minister here sent the letter hack to her with, one of these circulars, telling her to read the circular and to apply under the proper heading. She did not know to whom she should apply. She did not know that London was a military district, although she lived in London. That is only one instance out of tens of thousands throughout the country. I took the case up and put it through for her myself.
The point I want to impress upon the Minister of Militia is that members of Par1 lament, in making requests or asking for information from the minister, should not be placed in the same position as an unofficial cit'/.en, but should be treated with that courtesy and dignity to which a member of Parliament is entitled. So far as the under-secretaries are concerned, I think they can be of very great service, especially during war time, and I purpose with all my heart supporting that section of the resolution. But as regards the otfier part of the resolution, it is constitutionally wrong, it is wrong from the standpoint of our success in the war, and it is wrong fSir Sam Hughes.]
upon a great many other grounds that I do not care to enter into here to-day.


Mr. PROULX:: Will the salaries of these under-secretaries date from their appointment or be retroactive?


Robert Laird Borden: They will begin from the date of their appointment.


Mr. NESBITT:: I should like to ask the Prime Minister what authority, if any, the Minister of Militia here will have over the Minister of Militia in England, and if he has none, to whom is the Minister of Militia in England responsible? I was also going to ask why it is necessary to appoint an Under-Secretary of State for External Affairs, but the Prime Minister has explained that it was necessary, and I am quite willing to accept his explanation. I might iemind him, however, that we vastly increased the office expense of that department by a vote last night. However, if the Prime Minister still thinks the appointment is necessary I have no objection, because he ought to know best. Nor have I any objection to the persons he proposes to appoint to these positions. With regard to the other part of the resolution, I have never seen any great department, whether in private business or otherwise, prove a success under dual management. If the Minister of Militia here has no control whatever over the Minister of Militia in England, I hope it will work out successfully, but I seriously doubt it.


Robert Laird Borden: The Minister of Militia Overseas is responsible, just as any other minister of the Crown is responsible, in respect of the duties which are confided to him by the order in council which has been passed. He reports to the Governor in Council through the Prime Minister, and a copy of his recommendation or report is sent to the Minister of Militia and Defence here, in order that there may be perfect co-operation and co-ordination between them.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: He reports to the minister here?


Robert Laird Borden: He reports to the Governor in Council through the Prime Minister, but a copy of his recommendation-or report is also sent to the Minister of Militia and Defence in order that there may be perfect co-ordination of action and effort between them. No practical difficulty has been found in that arrangement.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: Would that necessarily follow, simply because a copy of his re-

port was sent to the Minister of Militia and Defence?


Robert Laird Borden: It has been
found to follow. My hon. friend will understand that the duties of the Minister of Militia Overseas are concerned with the expeditionary force in Great Britain and France. As soon as an officer or man is returned to Canada, he comes under the jurisdiction of the Minister of Militia in this country. In respect of the organization which the Minister of Militia Overseas establishes, [DOT] and in respect of the action which he takes, he is responsible, just as is any other minister of the Crown, to Parliament and to the Prime Minister also.


Edward Walter Nesbitt: I wish to add that I have written a great many letters to the Militia Department since the war started, and have received nothing but courteous treatment.


Samuel Hughes: The Prime Minister states that the Minister of Militia Overseas is responsible, just as is any other minister of the Crown. But there is this difference. Suppose the Minister of Public Works, for instance were to build one story of a building, and another minister then took charge and put up a second story and furnished the building. That is analagous to what it is proposed to do here. The Minister of Militia in Canada does a certain portion of the work; he arranges for the letting of contracts, gets all the equipment ready, makes appointments and promotions, and the troops are then sent over to the Old Country and put under entirely different management. We should have the same control, the same exercise of administrative authority and discipline over our troops in England as we have in Canada, but we have not got that to-day. I do not propose going into that just now, but I am prepared to go into it if necessary.


Charles Marcil: I do not wish to say any-ting against Sir George Perley, because I have had the pleasure of his acquaintance for several years. He has been 5 p.m. an active and successful business man, we must admit, but he has certainly undertaken to do too much during the war. If he had remained content with being a member of Parliament, and a member of the present Administration, and devoted himself to the duties devolving upon him in connection therewith, he would have not been criticised. But in addition to those duties he has undertaken the work of the High Commissioner, and on top of this, it is now proposed to make him Overseas Minister of Militia. On the formation of the present Administration five Cabinet seats were allotted to the province of Quebec. One was the minister now under discussion, without portfolio; the others were the Minister of Justice, the Postmaster General, the Minister of Inland Revenue, and the Secretary of State. The result is that to-day the Minister of Justice is .administering his own department and the Post Office Department, and the Minister of Inland Revenue is administering his own department and the Department of Secretary of State. Hon. Mr. Blondin being on active service, and Mr. Patenaude having resigned, the province of Quebec finds itself with but two representatives in the Cabinet. What would the people of Ontario think if Ontario had only two representatives in the Cabinet?
I think a word should also be said for the electors of Argenteuil. Sir George Perley-he was plain Mr. Perley then-was given a seat in the Cabinet on being elected by a large majority for the county of Argenteuil. Being an English Protestant, and representing one of the thirteen Protestant constituencies in the province of Quebec, he became by that fact a representative of the Protestant minority in the province of Quebec. We have always had such representative in every Cabinet. But since Sir George Perley went to England the Protestant minority of Quebec has been without a representative in the Cabinet, and the electors of Argenteuil without a representative in this House. We are now asked to vote a salary to Sir George Perley and make it retroactive. Next week we shall probably be asked to vote him a salary as High Commissioner. And during all this time he has not had to go back to his electorate, as Winston Churchill in England, and the Minister of Inland Revenue in this country did only a short while ago. The whole thing is false from top to bottom. Any fair-minded man will admit that the whole thing is a mess, and contrary to constitutional practice in this country.


Mr. KYTE:: Is Mr. Christie, for whom a salary of $5,000 was voted some time ago, an employee of the Department of External Affairs.


Robert Laird Borden: He is legal advisor for the Department of External Affairs. He was appointed * at a salary of $3,000, I think.


George William Kyte: Mr. J. P. Bill was taken
into the same department, was he not, about the same time?


Robert Laird Borden: He is in the
Department of Justice.


Mr. McCURDY:: Oj>
the question of the need of establishing ' parliamentary under secretaryships I do not intend to offer any observations at the present time, but, in order that there may he no misapprehension in regard to the circumstances under which I assumed and occupy the office of Parliamentary Secretary of the Department of Militia and Defence, I think it is right that I should make a statement to the House.
Every hon. member in this House knows
o.f the large numlber of cases throughout the country in which public-spirited citizens are willingly and gladly giving vountary service in connection with war work. Therefore, I think it is not surprising that a member of Parliament should wish to share in this public service.
I received in July last an intimation from my right hon. friend the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden) that further assistance was required in the Department of Militia and Defence. The correspondence disclosed the fact that the burden cast by the war upon all departments bad become increasingly onerous, and particularly so in the case of the Department of Militia and Defence. Perhaps I cannot do better than read the correspondence. It is as follows:
Ottawa, 9th July, 1916. Dear Mr. McCurdy:-
As you are aware, the burdens oast by the war on all departments having to do with its prosecution have become increasingly onerous.
In particular, the work of the Minister of Militia and Defence has become very great. The nature of his duties also constantly call him away from his department. To assist him, and to provide for continuity in the conduct of the department's business and business policy, the minister. Major General Sir Sam Hughes, has requested the Governor in Council through me to establish an office to he known as Parliamentary Secretary of the Department of Militia and Defence, and to select a member of the House to perform the duties above referred to.
In connection with your offer to serve in any capacity, the Minister of Militia has, recognizing your business qualifications, experience, and attention to public duties, suggested your appointment, and I am pleased to say that my colleagues gladly concur in his nomination.
It is proposed that the Governor in Council shall forthwith establish the office referred to, and until Parliament has made provision, the appointment cannot carry any salary, allowance, or fees of any kind. The Government will he prepared, however, to recommend any reasonable request in that connection.
My colleagues and I realize the demands already made on your time in connection with

your parliamentary duties and appreciate that, if you accept this position of public service, necessarily you will be called upon to make further sacrifice in connection with your business affairs.
If, however, you can see your way clear to accede to their request, we shall he pleased to have your appointment completed at once.
Yours very truly,
R. L. Borden.
Mr. F. B. McCurdy, M.P.,
Halifax, N.S.
To which I replied on July 14, 1916.
July 14, 1916.
Right Hon. Sir Robert Borden,
President of the Privy Council,
Ottawa.
Dear Sir Robert:-
Replying to your favour of the 9th inst., I desire to record my appreciation of your attitude and that of your colleagues towards me. I am gratified that the Honourable the Minister of Militia himself should suggest me for the appointment referred to by you.
In connection with the prosecution of the war, I am still desirous of serving in any capacity for which I may be considered competent by the minister. It, therefore, affords me pleasure to concur in the suggestion made in your letter, and to say that if the appointment is made, the duties attaching to the post will have the best attention of which I am capable.
With regard, however, to remuneration, I desire to say that my acceptance is made conditional upon the understanding that I shall not receive in connection therewith any salary, fee, or allowance of any kind. I shall be only too pleased to place in this regard my services and whatever capacity and business experience I possess freely at the disposal of the State while the war lasts.
Yours faithfully,
F. B. McCurdy.
That was my feeling at the time, that is my feeling to-day, and I wish to make it cleaT that should Parliament in its discretion see fit to vote a salary for the Parliamentary Secretary of Militia and Defence I have no intention myself of retaining that salary.


Samuel Hughes: That is the only
point of difference between your humble servant and my hon. friend from Queens and Shelburne (Mr. McCurdy) I positively object to any person in the employ of this Government working for nothing, when there is a salary attached to the job. My good friend, I presume, is blessed with this world's goods. Many of us are not. Why should a man, of possibly as great ability as my hon. friend from Queens and Shelburne, be debarred by having the precedent set that he must not take office because there are young men, whose fathers had money, or who have money themselves, and who are willing to do the work for

nothing? I claim that when a man offers his services to the Government he is entitled to his pay, and that he should take it. It is all right to hand it over to the Red Cross or to any other fund if he likes. That is another matter. My hon. friend from Queens and Shelburne knows that I never could harmonize with him on that point. Let every man be paid a fair wage, and then if he chooses to hand it over to some worthy object, let him do so. I maintain that this business of giving jobs to gentlemen because they are in a position to do the work for nothing is wrong. You have no control of, or hold upon, them, and after all it is the question of responsibility for which we must have regard. If the hon. member for Queens and Shelburne will accept the salary of the office, and then hand the money back to the treasury, or to the Red Cross, he should do so and not establish a precedent whereby some other worthy member of Parliament equally as capable as himself, and equally entitled to get the job, is subjected to the contrast that for one office a salary is paid and for another there is no salary.


George William Kyte: It is perfectly apparent
from the statement of the hon. member for Queen's and Shelburne (Mr. McCurdy) that he is not disposed to accept any salary for his services. That declaration will be received by many of his friends in Nova Scotia with a great deal of gratification. But the hon. member for Victoria and Hali-burton (Sir Sam Hughes) says that it must be insisted upon that the hon. member for Queens and Shelburne shall accept his salary and dispose of it in whatever way he thinks proper. I think it would be well in the interests of the hon. member for Shelburne himself that the matter should be cleared up. If he is working for a salary, and if he is going to accept that salary, I think it would be well that the general public should know it. If he is going to work without any salary he should get the credit that his sacrifice entitles him to. There seems to be several gentlemen who are willing to give their services to this Government for nothing. The other evening, when we were discussing the appointment of Mr. Henderson as chairman of the committee to inquire into the operations of the William Davis Company, it was said that he was going to work for nothing. I am bound to say, quite apart from the case of the hon. member for
Queens and Shelburne, that I am extremely suspicious when gentlemen outside of this House offer their services to the country free of charge. I might enumerate several others who are offering their services, and I could only repeat what has been said by my hon. friend (Sir Sam Hughes). I think that this Government is in a position to fairly compensate any citizen for valuable services rendered. I do not think that it makes for confidence in the work of these gentlemen, or for the reputation of the Government that they should offer and give their services free of charge. Whenever services are accepted, there should be proper compensation for them.


Mr. EDWARDS:: I appreciate, as I am sure every member of this House appreciates, the motive behind the words of the hon. member for Queens and Shelburne (Mr. McCurdy), but I object, as one member of this House, and one of the citizens of this country who was not bom with a silver spoon in his mouth, to any such practice as the hon. member for Queens and Shelburne suggests.
If I have any criticism to offer in regard to the conduct of public business in this country it is that there seems to be rather too much a tendency for jobs to go to men who have any amount of money, men who are in the millionaire class. It is all right for a man who can count his money by the millions and who is patriotic enough to offer to perform certain duties which he can perform without drawing any salary. I have not a word to say against his motives; the motives of that gentleman are just as good and sound as mine would be in offering to perform those duties. But the amount of this world's goods that I possess would make it impossible for me to do what he is willing to do for nothing. Now, Mr. Chairman, it strikes me that in a country like Canada, which is, and I hope will always be, a democratic country,-notwithstanding that we seem to be piling up a number of knights and barons, rather more than I like to see-I say that it is subversive of democracy and against its best interests that men should be allowed to take offices, no matter how faithfully they perform the duties of those offices, and not accept reasonable pay for the work so performed. If you followed that out to its logical conclusion, you would encourage the general public to believe that that is the right thing to do and you would soon have a demand in this country that, in order to save a few thousand dollars here or there, we should appoint to these import-



ant positions only millionaires and people of that class, able to do the work without remuneration. I object to that most strongly. It seems to me that the creation of these three positions that have been mentioned here is a matter that should be considered by us on its merits. So far as the work of Sir George Perley is concerned, Sir George Perley is a wealthy man and has shown himself from 1911 up to the present to be a true and patriotic Canadian, willing, although a man of large business interests, to devote his time without remuneration to the service of his country. He is engaged in work over there, and what I said a few moments ago in regard to paying the under secretaries applies also to him. We as members of this House, should consider whether this position, overseas is necessary or is not necessary. I for one believe that the appointment of an Overseas Minister of Militia was a wise appointment to make and I believe further that, since we have appointed a gentleman to that position, he should be paid for the work he does in it.
We have also to consider, it seems to me, whether it was a wise thing to appoint the hon. member for Queens and Shelburne (Mr. McCurdy) and the hon. member for Bruce (Mr. Hugh Clark) to the positions they occupy. I am disposed, as is my friend who spoke a few minutes ago, to accept the statement of the Prime Minister that he has been greatly relieved by the work done by the hon. * member for Bruce (Mr. Hugh Clark). These hon. gentlemen have been appointed to certain positions to do certain work. It is for us to consider whether those positions were necessary. If we consider or agree that those positions were necessary, then it is up to us to consider how much should be paid as remuneration for filling those positions.
I want to say to some hon. gentlemen on the opposite side of the House-who are mighty saving of dollars sometimes when those dollars are being expended from this side of the House, that they had better look over their own history. We have not the hon. member for Edmonton (Mr. Oliver) here to-day. If we had, I suppose he would be objecting on the ground of economy to the paying out of a few thousands of dollars to these under-secretaries. And yet in what position is that gentleman? He is in the position of having taken royalties and put them in his own pocket, royalties that belonged to the treasury of this country, and he has kept them there, and there has been no condemnation of that practice on his part by his leader or by any

other hon. gentleman opposite. That is a fact, there is no getting around it, a fact which he admitted himself on the floor of the House; that he took royalties on coal lands or mines in the West, that he has that money in his pocket at the present time-unless he returned it before 'starting for Winnipeg just lately-and I want to say to hon. gentlemen, when they are talking about economy and saving a few dollars here or there, that they should get after their own member, the member for Edmonton, and ask him to put back into the treasury the money which he took wrongfully, which he is not entitled to, and for taking which, any man who was not a member of this House would be criticised in language which I am not permitted to use.


Rodolphe Lemieux: I am not surprised at the attitude taken by the hon. member for Shelburne (Mr. McCurdy). Anyone might have expected that from him. We all knovV that he is favoured with a large fortune, and so is Sir George Perley, who [DOT] is in the millionaire class. For me it is not a question of money, although I say that at the present moment it has not been demonstrated that these new offices are needed; more particularly I urge that we should not create new offices when we have to make the soTry admission that Canada to-day is borrowing at usurious rates of interest in New York, when we consider that the bonds of Canada are selling at 98, bearing 6 per cent interest. Surely it is time for Canadians to cry halt. When we are spending nearly one million dollars a day it is no time for the Government to create new offices, the necessity for which is not demonstrated.
But this is not the point which I raise this afternoon. It is not a question of [DOT]money; it is not a question of dollars and cents; there is a principle which is far above dollars and cents. I say that Sir George Perley, millionaire as he is, Overseas Minister as he has been created, receives emoluments from his office, and because of such emoluments should come back before the people of Canada and be re-elected, as all ministers of the Crown in Canada are re-elected. I was made Solicitor General a few years ago, a subordinate position in the Government. I had to seek reelection in the county of Gaspe. Two years afterwards I became a minister of the Crown, hut as I had been re-elected as Solicitor General it was not necessary for me to return before the people. But every new minister of the Crown must seek re-

election ait the hands of his electors. I want to know by what divine right should we be creating to-day that new family compact, because this departure is nothing else but a new edition of the old family compact. To-day it is Sir George Perley; tomorrow it will be Sir Joseph Flavelle; the day after to-morrow it will be Sir Clifford Sifton

all those millionaires will be given offices in the Government to save the country and to save the Empire without reelection. Canada is being dominated by a caste of war profiteers, by a coterie of millionaires and plutocrats.


Charles Murphy: It is evident that the hon. *member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) had read the reports from the Winnipeg Convention before he addressed the Souse, because I cannot understand how otherwise the milk of human kindness would have become so curdled in the hon. gentleman's noble breast. I will not allude further to his extraordinary attack upon an hon. gentleman who is not here present in his seat to defend himself, but who, before those who know him best, evidently requires no defence.
I listened with real interest to what my hon. and genial friend from West Peterborough (Mr. Burnham) had to say. lie expressed himself as shocked at one charge which he seemed to find in the language my hon. friend from Rouville levelled against the Government. Observing that immediately in front of my hon. friend from, Peterborough the hon. member for Victoria (Sir Sam Hughes) is sitting, and recalling that that hon. gentleman has made, not one charge but a whole series of meet dam,aging charges against the Government ever since he wrote his famous letters to the Prime Minister last fall, I cannot understand how the hon. gentleman from West Peterborough would be so shocked at one charge made by the hon. member for Rouville, and overlook completely all the charges made by the hon, member for Victoria.


John Hampden Burnham: Who said I overlooked them?


Charles Murphy: If he has not overlooked them, we have not heard any protest trcrn him.


John Hampden Burnham: That is another thing.


Charles Murphy: Yes, that is quite another thing, and I am glad to find by the hon. gentleman's intimation that he has not overlooked them. We shall expect to hear from him on that subject. Up to the 267i
present, the Government completely overlooked them, and these charges remain, not only unrefuted, but uncontradicted in every particular.
I desire to refer to a question that my hon. friend from Victoria addressed to the Prime Minister, and which remains unanswered. He asked what kind of structure we should put up if one minister built one story and another minister built another story, and the hon. gentleman received no reply to that question. There is historic precedent for such an inquiry. That is precisely the same question as was addressed on a famous occasion by Hennessey to Dooley, the philosopher of Archey Road, with whom my hon. friend, the member for Victoria will be familiar. They were discussing the construction of the national edifice in the United States, and Hennessey asked Dooley what kind of building would be put up if he had one kind of man at one story and another kind of man at another story, and Dooley said, " The outer walls would resemble the homeward tracks from a wake." That is the answer to my hon. friend's question. The Prime Minister told us that he had received a letter from Sir George Perley stating that he did not intend to accept any salary as overseas Minister of Militia. My hon. friend from Shelburne and Queens (Mr. McCurdy) stated a short time ago that he also hiad declined to accept any salary in the position which he has been filling for some time, and to which it is now proposed to appoint him by the resolution under consideration. In view of these two statements, I submit to the Prime Minister in all seriousness that neither of these salaries should be voted. What is the sense in voting salaries which gentlemen say they will not accept? On the other hand, if they are voted, the effect of voting them is to place these two hon. gentlemen under an unjust suspicion. Either those salaries should be dropped, or if voted, they should he accepted; and from that point of view I entirely agree with what has been said by my hon. friend from Frontenac (Mr. Edwiards). I think the position he took with regard to these salaries, and with regard to the creation of similar positions with salaries attached, is entirely the correct and constitutional position to take.
That brings me to another matter which was briefly referred to by the Prime Minister, but which is of transcendent importance to the people of Canada. In criticising the objections offered by the leader of the Opposition to this resolution, the

Prime Minister drew an analogy between what is proposed under this resolution, in so far as the position of Minister of Militia Overseas is concerned, and what had been done by Mir. Lloyd George in creating an authority outside Parliament. In his reference	to that authority created	outside Parliament in Great Britain, I submit with great	respect,	the
Prime Minister was hardly correct. He said that, owing to the pressure of his war duties, Mr. Lloyd George had found it necessary to divest himself of certain duties as Prime Minister within Parliament, and to depute the performance of those duties to Mr. Bonar Law. That, I submit, is not exactly what occurred in Great Britain. Mr. Lloyd George, in conjunction with Lord Curzon and Lord Milner has, in the opinion of some of the best thinkers of Great Britain, taken away from Parliament a number of its constitutional privileges and liberties, and has set up outside Parliament an autocratic council or committee which, if it has any analogy at all, is analogous to the position of affairs in the United States, where the cabinet is not elected, but is selected, and where the President does not sit in the House, bu; only goes to the House on certain occasions and addresses that Chamber. I have read articles protesting against the denuding of Parliament in Great Britain, written by some of the best thinkers and most eminent men in England, and pointing out that while this condition of, affairs lasts Parliament is a mere registering body, and is not a legislative or administrative body in the sense that it was before this- autocratic council of four was created practically outside the jurisdiction of Parliament. So that, agreeing with that view of the functions and duties and responsibilities of this small council in Great Britain, I do not think the analogy which my right hon. friend sought to draw with reference to the present resolution was a very happy one, or, indeed, an appropriate one. As the leader rf the Opposition pointed out, this resolution is divided into three parts, one relating to the Minister of Militia Overseas, and the others to the two undersecretaries. I do not intend to criticise the creation of these offices further than I have already done, nor to refer to the gentlemen who, it is proposd, shall fill these offices; but I entirely agree with what has been said by the hon. member for Victoria and other hon. gentlemen, that the creation of this second Minister of Militia is entirely unnecessary. If there are duties to be performed overseas, they can be per-fMr. Murphy-1
formed by an official who would be responsible to the Minister of Militia here, who would have a seat in this House, and who would be responsible to Parliament. Already we have practically two Ministers of Justice. I cannot at the moment recall that that has operated to the public disadvantage, but it is an anomaly which did not present itself heretofore. Now, we have two Ministers of Militia. As the hon. gentleman from Rouville (Mr. Lemieux) intimated, who can say but to-morrow we shall have two ministers of another department, and the day after two ministers of a third department, and so on? I think it is a dangerous innovation, and does not make for the benefit of representative institutions as we understand them in this country, and will not be approved by those who are apprehensive, and naturally apprehensive, regarding the gradual diminution of democratic government, not only in this country, buc in several of the Allied countries engaged in this war. My hon. friend from West Peterborough has criticised the salaries of the under secretaries and disapproved of them, but, curiously I thought with all respect to him, he said, he would shut his eyes and vote for the salary, because we were near an election. I submit to my hon. friend and to my other colleagues in this House on both sides that that is scarcely a good reason for supporting a resolution of this kind.


John Hampden Burnham: I do not want to start a row at the last moment.


Charles Murphy: I know that my hon. friend is a man of peace. I also am a man of peace, and desire to .proceed with the business of the House harmoniously. Still, we must not lose sight of the representative character of the measures that are submitted for our consideration, .and it is from that point of view that I offer these observations.


William Cameron Edwards: I do not want the impression .to go out that I said what I did in reference to the member for Edmonton (Mr. Oliver) in his absence, and was afraid to say it in his presence. The member for Russell (Mr. Murphy) was not in the House when, on two previous occasions, in the presence of the member for Edmonton, I alluded to the matter to which I referred this afternoon. The hon. gentleman characterizes my statement as extraordinary; I *assume that he refrains from characterizing the member for Edmonton because of his lack of a suitable adjective


Robert Laird Borden: With regard to what the member for Russell (Mt. Murphy) has said, I think that salaries ought to be attached to these offices whether they are accepted or not, and whether being accepted, they are devoted to some patriotic purpose. Other gentlemen might occupy these offices at a later date; it is proper, therefore, that salaries should be attached to the offices. As far as the amount of the salary is concerned, that of the Overseas Minister is exactly in accordance with the salary which is fixed for ministers of the Crown. The salaries of the parliamentary secretaries are precisely the same as those of the permanent heads of departments, $5,000. I do not desire to enter into a discussion as to the constitutional changes in Great Britain. I alluded to the attitude taken by the Prime Minister of Great Britain only for the purpose of indicating that a minister might find more appropriate exercise for his energies in duties outside of Parliament than in duties in Parliament. It is merely in that connection that- I used the illustration.


Rodolphe Lemieux: 
Robert Laird Borden: Many reports.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Have they been laid on the Table?


Robert Laird Borden: No.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Are they in the hands of the Prime Minister?


Robert Laird Borden: They are in the hands of the Prime Minister and of the Minister of Militia and Defence.


Rodolphe Lemieux: Will they be printed?


Robert Laird Borden: I have not con-eidered that.


Rodolphe Lemieux: A3 minister of the
Crown, I suppose he administers a department, or part of a department, on the other side of the Atlantic. He has official correspondence; he has reports made to him by his chief officials; therefore he has an account to render to this Parliament. Before voting money to that minister, we should know what are his activities on the other side. We should have an assurance from the Prime Minister that his report will be printed; we would then be able to discuss it.


Robert Laird Borden: 
Mr. McRENZIE:: There is a good deal
of confusion in the minds of the common people as to the supervision and control over our troops when they reach the other side. Before the department was divided it was understood that once the troops got on the other side they were practically under the control of the British Government and the War Office. Whether they were sent to the front as a unit or as drafts, that was a matter over which our own department had no control. Has that condition changed, now that we have a minister of War on the other side?


Robert Laird Borden: 
[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.
At six o'clock the House too recess.
After Recess.
The House resumed at eight o'clock.


[Stage Direction]
On the motion of Sir Thomas White (Minister of Finance) that the House go into Committee of the Whole to consider the following proposed resolution:
Resolved, that it is expedient to provide:
1.	That His Majesty may acquire on such terms and conditions satisfactory to the Governor in Council as may be set out in the agreement to be made with the owners and pledgees of not less than five-sixths thereof.
[Stage Direction]
and for a price to be determined as hereinafter provided, the six hundred thousand shares of capital stock of the Canadian Northern Railway Company (par value sixty million dollars), not now held by the Minister of Finance in trust for His Majesty.
2.	That the Governor in Council shall appoint one arbitrator, the said owners and pledgees shall appoint another, and the two so appointed shall appoint a third, or failing agreement as to such appointment, the third arbitrator shall be appointed by the senior judge of the Exchequer Court.
3.	The said arbitrators shall determine the value of the said six hundred thousand shares as of the date of the said agreement and the :said arbitrators shall proceed in a summary way and may apply their own judgment in -determining such value and may receive with respect thereto, such reports and statements [DOT]authenticated in such way as they may decide *and such evidence as they may deem necessary or helpful, examine witnesses under oath and hear the parties by counsel or representatives and that the unanimous determination of the arbitrators shall be final, but should the determination not be unanimous an appeal from such determination shall lie to the Supreme Court of Canada on behalf of the Governor in Council, or if the owners or pledgees, upon any question of law or fact, such appeal to be made within thirty days from the rendering of the determination.
4.	That the amount of the value so determined shall be paid out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, or otherwise secured in accordance with the terms of the said agreement.
5.	That upon the making of said agreement, at least five-sixths of the said six hundred thousand shares shall be transferred to the Minister of Finance in trust for His Majesty, and if there be any of said six hundred thousand shares not transferred as aforesaid, the Governor in Council may declare said shares to be the property of the Minister of Finance in trust for His Majesty, and the same shall thereupon become the property of His Majesty and shall be paid for pro rata with the shares so transferred.
6.	That so soon as said five-sixths of said shares has been transferred as aforesaid, the Governor in Council may assist the Canadian Northern Railway Company, or any company included in the Canadian Northern Railway system, in paying and settling any indebtedness of such company or postponing the payment thereof on such terms as may be agreed upon, and for such purposes may make advances out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund, may guarantee payment in whole or in part, and may give the obligation or securities of the Government in connection therewith.
7.	That the Canadian Northern Railway Company, and each company included in the Canadian Northern Railway system, shall from time to time do such acts and things, make and issue such agreements, obligations and securities in connection with the payment or settlement or postponement of payment of the said claims as the Minister of Finance may require.
8.	That the necessary qualification shares for directors may be transferred to or allowed to remain in their names by the Minister of Finance on such conditions as he may determine.
Wilfrid Laurier: Mr. Speaker, this is a very important resolution, important for our whole country and especially so for the western part of the Dominion. It will be observed that there is a very slight attendance in the Chamber. I do not see on this side of the House, nor at the moment on the other side of the House, more than one hon. member from west of lake Superior. The hon. members who represent that section of the country are, at the present time, engaged in a very important meeting elsewhere. Would it not be preferable, instead of going into Committee of the Whole, to refer this resolution to a small special committee to secure information which we must thresh out in Committee of the Whole? So far as the financial position of the company is concerned, we have only a statement entitled "Financial statements respecting the Canadian Northern Railway company and the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway company." We have no information whether this is the whole of the liability of the Canadian Northern Railway company or whether there are other liabilities. I understand there are other liabilities beyond those mentioned in that statement, being balances due by the company to contractors and so forth. We have no statement at all as to the actual condition of the road, how much is needed for immediate expenses, what are the prospects of the company, or what was the business transacted last year, except in a very general way. If the resolution were referred to a small special committee, the general manager could be summoned, and a good deal of information acquired which it would otherwise be difficult to obtain. I make that suggestion to my hon. friend in the hope that it may be favourably considered.


Robert Laird Borden: I would suggest to my right hon. friend that we might go into committee on the resolution and perhaps pass it, and then, before the second reading takes place, we could consider my right hon. friend's suggestion. It is desirable, of course, that all information that is relevant should be afforded, but whatever discussion could take place upon the resolution could also take place in committee after the second reading of the Bill. There is no difficulty either in the one case or in the other. Perhaps we had better go into committee on the resolution. My right hon. friend could then let us know what information is needed, and we could

discuss the resolution, and perhaps, if there is no objection, pass it


Rodolphe Lemieux: Might I suggest to the Minister of Finance that it would be well that a list of the shareholders and bondholders be added to the documents which have been printed. I assume the list is not so long that it cannot be easily printed and distributed.


Sir THOMAS WHITE:: I am afraid that would be quite impracticable. The securities of the companies are bonds and debenture stock, which have been issued largely in Great Britain. It would be quite impossible to ascertain the bondholders, because they must be thousands in number The securities pass from hand to hand, and an owner to-day might not be an owner to-morrow. The Canadian Northern made some short term loans in New York, and the same remark would apply to those. I think there is full information in the printed document as to the financial position of the company. The securities outstanding, the amount of the floating loan and other liabilities, are all shown in the statement certified by the auditors of the company. If there is any other special information that would seem necessary in order that the committee might come to a determination upon the matter, we should, of course, endeavour to obtain it. I do not see what bearing the matter of the owners of the securities has upon the question. The transaction, although one of magnitude, is in reality a very simple one, namely, to acquire the outstanding stock of the Canadian Northern Railway company which controls all the underlying companies. We have pretty full information as to all matters relevant to a consideration of the resolution.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to, and the House went into committee on the resolution, Mr. Rain-ville in the Chair.
Mr. GRAHAM:: This question is of such vital importance to the people of Canada, particularly at the present time, that it is wise that we should make progress slowly and be sure of every step. It is important, not only from the standpoint of the liabilities to be assumed, but on account of the departure being made in removing from private to public ownership one of the great transcontinental highways of the country and its various branches and subsidiary companies.
The policy of public ownership is one that has been tried in many countries of the world, including our own, .and the principle itself, as well as the details of this proposition, ought to be viewed from all aspects. As I said the other day, I am not so sure that a government monopoly would be ia very great improvement upon a private monopoly, so far as the real details of operation .and the benefits .to ibe derived by the public are concerned. Railway managers the world over, like the managers of every other concern, .are naturally most .anxious to have .a good showing for their enterprises, and once the incentive to service, which is brought about by competition, is removed it is not so sure that a monopoly, even if it be a public monopoly, would be the best thing for the public. In this case, however, the question of a monopoly does not arise to any great extent, as two of the great railway systems of Canada are not included.
The Government has decided to embark upon a policy of public ownership of the Canadian Northern system. Friends of that .policy-and there are many throughout Canada-want to be .assured that public ownership is not being burdened with such a colossal financial load at the outset as to hamper materially the .success cf the undertaking. We ought to view fairly, I think, the amount of money .that has been expended upon the Canadian Northern railway system, and its present value as well, .and then ask ourselves the question: Could the Government construct this system for the amount presented to us as the fbture liability of the country on account of taking over the Canadian Northern? If we pay altogether too much for the property .some person may arise in a few years and blame government ownership for a failure, which, might not be the fault of government ownership at all, but the fault of an improvident bargain. I am not saying that such is the case, but am pointing out that in making this departure the members of the House ought to make sure, so far .as possible, that the Government is getting full value for the liability which it proposes to assume, or the project cannot be the success it might otherwise be.
The fixed charges have a great deal to do with the success or failure of any business enterprise. If the fixed charges be altogether too high, then, although the enterprise may be a fairly good, paying concern, it is hampered to the extent of these excess fixed charges. .
In this connection let me point out that there are three ways in which the Canadian Northern could become the property of the country. First, by allowing it to go

into a receiver's hands, and the Government becoming the owners of the system by process of law. It is true, as I view it, that in that case the Government as purchaser would perhaps have as its competitors other interests that might desire this line and would be willing to pay a fairly good price for it. But, on the other hand, if a private corporation were prepared to pay a certain amount for this system it would be fairly good evidence that the road was worth that amount, because a private concern would not be willing to pay a sum on which it could not realize a fair return. As I said the other day, personally I am rather disinclined to favour the idea of a receivership for the reasons which I then gave, and which I think will be obvious to all the members of the House. The Dominion and the provinces have guaranteed a large amount of the securities of this system. Having guaranteed those securities, it has struck me that if the project which the Government has backed with these guarantees were allowed to go into a receiver's hands, it might be injurious to our financing in the markets of the world as a government, because as a parliament we have practically endorsed the notes of this concern. Speaking for myself, I do not view the idea of allowing the road to go into the hands of a receiver in the same light in which such a proceeding might be viewed if financial conditions in Canada at the present time were not strained on account of the great burdens we have assumed and must assume by reason of the war.
Another method of taking over the road would be by expropriation, just as the Government can acquire any other property, and allowing the Exchequer Court to decide the value. That method is debatable, and I will not deal with it.
The other method is the one proposed by the Government, that the Government should become the possessor of the common stock of the enterprise, and thus really become the owner of the system. In doing that, if the company be allowed to retain its entity and idenity as a corporation, the Canadian Northern railway, with the Government the owner of the stock, would be liable for all the bonds, guaranteed and unguaranteed, and other liabilities as well. While at present the Government is liable for the securities which it has guaranteed, when it becomes the owner of the property it will have to assume liability for all the securities that have not

been guaranteed, as well as the floating liabilities.
Let us see what we are assuming, for I take it that before we proceed far with this Bill we must know what our entire liabilities will be when we become the owner of all this stock. The statement placed before us does not, I submit, give us all the information required. The Finance Minister will remember that when aid was last given to the Canadian Northern, it was agreed that there should be a continuous audit, the Government being part owner of the system. This report contains an audit, but it has only been brought down to June 30, 1916, over a year ago. In order to know exactly what the conditions are, the House ought to be possessed of a certified audit of the Canadian Northern accounts up to June 30, 1917, with any additional information that could be given for the period intervening between June 30, 1917, and the present date.
As to the value, it would not be amiss if I were to call the attention of the committee to a portion of the majority report of the Royal Commission, the gentlemen assenting to this report being Sir Henry Drayton and Mr. Acworth. On page XII of that report I find reference to the Canadian Northern Railway system which bears on the point to which I have been directing my observations:
Value of Canadian Northern Undertaking.
1.	Cash Investment.
The property investment of the Canadian Northern Railway system is stated in the balance sheet of June 30, 1916, at $494,112,489.34. This figure admittedly has been written up to include $100,000,000 of capital stock. And this stock, as we have already said, was issued without any cash consideration. We have endeavoured to ascertain the actual cost of the system. From the company's official reports and special statements supplied to us, we have ascertained that the maximum cash investment that can have been made in the property is $383,302,451.33.
That is the statement. Then follow tables which I need not give to the Committee. After making some calculations, including the amount of stock held in subsidiary companies, not held by the Canadian Northern, the Drayton-Acworth Report concludes :
We find then $370,000,000 to be the maximum possible cost of the Canadian Northern system as at present existing. In other words, as indeed is frankly admitted by Canadian Northern witnesses, the Canadian Northern shares represent no cash investment.
If the House will bear with me I want read one or two other paragraphs. There

is another one dealing with the physical basis. The report proceeds.
2.	Physical Basis.
But money cost is hot all. We decided also to ascertain the approximate value, on the basis of reproduction cost, of the property as it exists to-day. And we rely on Professor Swain's valuation for this purpose. This valuation is, in his opinion, a liberal estimate of the fair cost of reproducing new, at prewar prices of labour and material, the system at present existing. It includes property belonging to the system at its estimated cost, if it had to be acquired or constructed to-day. And therefore it not only gives the company credit for lands which it in fact owns, even though it obtained them as a grant; but it also credits the company with the increment of land values since the date of the original acquisition. And these two items are quite large.
It will be noted that in making this statement the Royal Commission is endeavouring to get at what it would cost to reproduce the Canadian Northern Railway system at the prices and values ranging just before the war, as it would not be fair to take the scale of wages and prices of everything at the present time, because after the war is over these will drop again. In making its valuation it gives the system credit for the land values, and the increase of these land values since they were acquired by the Canadian Northern Railway company .from the Parliament of Canada. Then it proceeds:
Professor Swain's method of arriving at his results are fully explained in his report, which is printed as an appendix hereto. He makes the total cost of reproduction new, $397,441,567. Prom this he deducts for depreciation $40,031,889, making the cost of reproduction of the property in its present condition $357,409,678. This, however, does not include equipment. The equipment was inspected by Mr. Buchanan and, on the basis of his report as to quantities and condition, a valuation has been made by Mr. W. H. Chadbourn, C.E., chief engineer of our valuation staff. He finds the cost of reproduction new at pre-war prices to be $56,590,418, and the depreciation to be $11,250,433, making the present value $45,339,985. Putting the two valuations together, we have $402,749,663 as the fair cost of reproducing the entire physical Canadian Northern system in Its present condition. Now the outstanding liabilities (bonds, debentures, notes, and bank and other loans) of the company, exceed $400,000,000.
Reckoning on this basis, it appears that the liabilities are practically equal to the reproduction cost of the physical property. But the physical property does not all belong to the Canadian Northern shareholders. There are minority holdings in several of the subsidiary undertakings. And the Canadian Northern interest in these undertakings only corresponds to its percentage proportion of their respective share capitals. This implies a reduction of more than $10,000,000 in the estimate of the
assets belonging to the Canadian Northern, shareholders.
We find then that, on the physical basis, the value of the property of the Canadian Northern shareholders is distinctly less than the amount of the liabilities against it. Oru this basis the equity of the shareholders must be regarded as non-existent.
Now I propose to read a paragraph referring to the Canadian Northern as a going concern. It is as follows:
3.	Going Concern.
A third basis of estimate is the value of the property for sale as a going concern. A purchaser would not consider either original cost or reproduction cost as of much importance. The price he would pay would be based on earning power, present and potential. On this basis he would consider how far the Canadian Northern is at present short of covering its fixed charges, how long it will take to reach equilibrium, how much new capital. will have to be spent, how soon a dividend may be expected and at what rate. Calculating on this basis, in the light of the figures set out above, it is evident that no purchaser would offer for the property a sum amounting to the total of its liabilities.
The commissioners conclude in these words:
Conclusion As to Canadian Northern.
We conclude, therefore, that the shareholders of the company have no equity either on the ground of cash put in, or on the ground of physical reproduction cost, or on the ground of the saleable value of their property as a going concern.
If then the people of Canada have already found or assumed responsibility for the bulk of the capital; if they must needs find what further capital is required; and if they must make up for some years to come considerable deficits in net earnings, it seems logically to follow that the people of Canada should assume control of the property. We return later to the Canadian Northern Company in order to set out our recommendations as to its ownership and management in the future and as to the returns to be offered to the existing shareholders.
'T"have read that to give the committee the viewpoint of the Royal Commission, on the value of the property, and the intrinsic value of the physical assets of the company as well as the lack of value of the shares. They say that the shareholders have no equity, or that the equity is not worth anything.
Let me take up the figures as set out in the financial statement of the Canadian Northern system, audited, as I pointed out to the minister, only to June 30, 1916.


William Thomas White: The annual accounts of a system such as this are not usually closed for six weeks or two months after the end of the fiscal year. It is not possible to obtain at the present time the

financial statement to the 30th June, 1917. I do not think it will 'be possible to obtain it for three or four weeks. I have a statement as to the earnings, gross and net, down to June 17, 1917, which I shall place upon Hansard. My hon. friend will observe also in the statement which was laid on the Table the other day, that a statement is given as to the securities outstanding as on June 30, 1917. In other words, I have brought down all official documents that I think are extant and authenticated to date. The audit to which my hon. friend refers, by the Government auditors, was a continuous running monthly audit, and they have reported from month to month.


George Perry Graham: The company's financial year ends on June 30. If, with the information we have, the minister could give us the net earnings or the gross earnings and the expenditure, and the liabilities, if any, incurred during the year, it would perhaps answer the purpose.
I find that in the statement laid on the Table of the finances of the company up to June 30, 1916, the company, as stated by the Royal Commission, (placed their property investment, including their equipment, acquired securities, etc., at $494,112,489.34. Taking the whole statement, I find that they place their assets at $578,747,291.25 and the liabilities, which include a surplus on land account and railway account of about $40,000,000, at the same amount.
But let me take up just for a moment the securities guaranteed by the Federal and Provincial Governments. I find on page 5 of this report that the Dominion and Provincial Governments have guaranteed bonds, debenture stock, to the extent of $104,613,247.83.
The bonds guaranteed by the provinces are as follows:
Ontario	$ 7,859,997 59
Manitoba	
25,662,545	51Saskatchewan	
14,884,213	32Alberta	
18,950,361	99British Columbia	
40,157,523	86Total provincial guarantees. $107,514,642	27
In addition to this list of securities guaranteed by federal or provincial authorities, we find, on pages 6 and 7, that there are unguaranteed securities to the extent of $147,803,745.54, or a total of $359,931,635.64. In addition to these amounts it must 'be remembered that nearly all these lines were subsidized over and above the guarantees given, so that what we have now guaranteed together with the provinces and what we have given in subsidies constitutes a [Sir Thomas White.}
very large portion of the money that has gone into the Canadian Northern system. I havie gone over this hurriedly, just to draw attention to two or three points; first, we ought to know absolutely what all our liabilities will be when we take possession of this system-all tthe liabilities. I have outlined the guaranteed securities. Then I think it will be admitted that, in addition to our own guaranteed securities of $104,000,000, we will eventually have to see that the provinces are protected in their $107,000,000 guaranteed bonds1 as the property becomes ours, and, in addition, we will have to assume liability for $147,000,000 unguaranteed securities. But, in addition to this, there is a large floating indebtedness. I am of the opinion that, in addition to any amount included in this statement, it will be found that there are various bills payable throughout the Dominion to contractors and others, which the Government will have to assume if they become owners of this system.
Before very much progress is made we ought to have before us the amount of these other liabilities. Instances have been called to my attention, contractors have visited me, to see if the Government was likely to take over this line, and what I knew about it. And they asked, if the road were taken over would they be sure of having their bills settled. The Government could take the position, it is true, with regard to these outstanding accounts, that the liability was that of the Maokenzie-Mann company, and that when we take over the property we will not assume the liability. Legally, I suppose they could take that position. But the Government would not argue-and the people would not allow it to argue, and Parliament would not consent to the proposition that the country should take over, say, a bridge for which the contractors had not been paid, and leave that account unpaid. If the contractors can substantiate their accounts, I take it for granted the Government will have to assume liability in respect for them.
Then there is another matter to which the Drayton report refers, for which I am not going to take their figures, but will just make a general statement, because I have not had time to go into it. There are many enterprises in which the Canadian Northern is engaged at the present time. There are the terminals at Montreal, the Vancouver terminals, betterments all along the line, improvements yet to be finished in the city of Quebec, some probably in the

city of Toronto-in fact, in <a great many towns, the Canadian Northern is making betterments, as well as along their line. We ought to have a statement before we proceed to purchase this property, not only as to the value of the line itself and as to the liabilities, but as to how much money it will take to complete the undertakings which the system has launched; because, without the completion of these undertakings the system will not at all be perfect according to the view of the present proprietors and managers. In addition to that,
I think it is fair to assume that millions of dollars will be needed for betterments along the line of the Canadian Northern-the	strengthening of bridges, the
improvement, not of grades, but in ballasting and improvements in a great many ways which the Finance Minister understands, and which the Minister of Railways understands perhaps better. That will take millions of dollars. Then, it is admitted on all sides that the Canadian Northern, like all other railways, is short of rolling stock. The Canadian Pacific railway is equipped with, I think, seven freight cars to the mile, while the Canadian Northern has three. The fair proportion at least for the Canadian Northern business would be five freight cars to the mile. This will cost millions of dollars, too. Roughly speaking we are entering upon a scheme of purchase, the value of which we do not know, with a liability for completion the figures for which we ought to have in our hands, with a further liability for betterment the amount of which we ought to know, and with a still further necessary liability for rolling stock and motive power. These things we must know before we can tell just how far we are going, or what investment we intend to make in this great project of public ownership. Another point that comes to my mind is that in some portions of the main line, and particularly in the subsidiary companies, the securities have been disposed of at a very small rate. Their face value is par. The moment the Government becomes the owner of this road, unless legislation be introduced to prevent it, the value of these securities is likely to approximate par, perhaps not go to par, but it will be enhanced in value very materially, and this will open the door for an immense stock-jobbing process, out of which 'those who are sufficiently fortunate to be on the inside will be able to make fortunes compared with which anything gotten out of the Canadian Northern will be a bagatelle. During the past five years, if any
of the investors in the unguaranteed securities had been assured that they would receive the principal invested in these securities, with the interest up to date, they would have been happy individuals. I think it is feasible, when the Government is proposing to take over this property and become responsible for all these securities, to take steps to provide against the country becoming liable for par value for securities, the proceeds of which, in some instances, have been very much below par value. If on the other hand, no steps of that kind be taken, and these bonds become enhanced in value as they will, and the Government be obliged eventually to pay par, then we shall be compelled to pay millions upon millions of money for this road for which there is no value in the road itself, because no one pretends that par value has gone into the construction of the road. Just what that would amount to I am not prepared to say, but the Finance Minister would have an idea, if he has access to these securities-and they are all quoted to-day, I think. The question of the valuation of the shares is one that is very important. No one can accuse me of endeavouring to deal unfairly with any men of enterprise who have put their labour and money into these public concerns, but at the present time I am rather inclined to think that whatever might be given to Messrs. Mackenzie and Mann or the holders of the common stock of the Canadian Northern would be in the way of a recognition of the work they had performed in the development of Canada, rather than of any value as attached to the shares of the company. The Drayton-Acworth report comes out very strongly as to the lack of value in these shares. I am not going to discuss that, but in view of the fact that this system could now be taken possession of by the Government, either by allowing it to go into the hands of a receiver or by expropriation and a valuation placed upon it by the Exchequer Court, I am inclined to think that the value to be placed upon these 600,000 shares should not be made by a board of arbitrators at all.
But if the Government believe that something ought to be given, to Mackenzie and Mann on account of other considerations, the amount proposed to be given ought to be stated in the legislation; then we shall see whether or not Parliament will accept the proposal. I have not the most implicit confidence In what might be done by a board of arbitrators. If I had to leave a matter of this kind to any body at all, I

would rather leave it to the Exchequer Court, the hody that ought to deal with such things. Under present conditions, therefore, I aan rather inclined to think that if any method is to be adopted of placing a value on these shares, it should not be that of arbitration; the matter should be sent to the Exchequer Court. If the Royal Commission be right and the shareholders have no equity of any value, we ought to say so distinctly, rather than imply toy referring the matter to any body that the contrary is the case. On the other hand, if the Government see fit to recommend that an amount be given to the proprietors of the Canadian Northern Railway system in recognition of the development of the country through their work and in consideration of the Government's taking over their handiwork, I would suggest that the Government make up their mind what the amount is to be and, as I have said, have the amount stated in the legislation brought before the House. In any case, we ought to know what this enterprise i-s going to cost us before we go into it. Even if we have before us all the information in regard to the other items, a board of arbitrators might place upon these shares a valuation that would not be approved by the Exchequer Court. The country will not know what we are going to pay for this enterprise unless we state in definite terms what we propose to spend, if anything, for these shares. Full information should be brought down in reference to the proposed cost for betterments, for completion, for liability to contractors, so that we shall know just what we are assuming. I suggest that the Government abandon the idea of leaving to arbitration the valuation of these shares; that they Tattler make a concrete proposal so that we shall know what we are doing.
When aid was granted on a previous occasion to the Canadian Northern Railway system, there was a trust deed under which these securities were dealt with, carrying with it certain obligations on behalf of the company. I think it was called the new trust deed; its terms, are not to be found in the statute. In order that we may be informed whether the company have complied with the obligations embraced in that trust deed, it is fair that a copy of it should be placed before us.


William Thomas White: My hon. friend has covered a good deal of ground and has asked for considerable information, much of which, I think, is already before the committee. I will take up his arguments 
as he proceeded. I think he fully outlined the three courses that are open to us in respect of this railway system. The first was that the Government might allow the Canadian Northern railway system to go into the hands of a receiver. It has been common ground on both sides of this House, *and it was the opinion of all the members of the Royal Commission appointed last year to deal with the problem of railways and transportation, that the Canadian Northern system and the Grand Trunk Pacific system' should not be allowed to go into the hands of a receiver. That was the position taken on both sides of the House- there may have been some exceptions-in 1914. For example, we find the right hon. leader of the Opposition in 1914-Hansard, page 3681-making the following statement:
I said a moment ago, and I repeat, that this enterprise must go on. It has heen conceived for the benefit of the Canadian people. We require this railway. My right hon. friend said he would not let it go into liquidation. It must not go into liquidation.
So that my hon. friend, in expressing the view that ;he did against allowing the Canadian Northern railway system to go into liquidation, merely agreed in the views which have been expressed on both sides of the House and by the members of the Royal Commission. My hon. friend adverted to a further consideration in that connection-the guarantees by the provinces and by the Dominion 9 p.m. Government. I stated when giving notice of these resolutions that the credit of the Dominion Government and of nearly all the provincial Governments of Canada, especially of the western provinces, .are inextricably involved with the credit of this great railway enterprise. That is an additional reason why the system should not be allowed to go into the hands of a receiver.
My hon. friend next mentioned the alternative of taking proceedings of expropriation and acquiring physical possession of the Canadian Northern Railway system. But one good reason why that should not be done is that the corporate entities of the several corporations embraced in the Canadian Northern Railway system would then be lost. The Dominion Government would then own the physical properties of the Canadian Northern Railway system just as it to-day owns the physical property of the Intercolonial and of the National Transcontinental from Moncton to Winnipeg. Upon these two latter railways there are no obligations. If the Government foreclosed and

took possession of all the physical properties of the system it would find itself in immediate ownership and also in immediate privity of obligation. Undoubtedly as a result there might be a great deal of litigation, because the Government's foreclosing under the $45,000,000 mortgage, or under the mortgage which was taken last year, would constitute default under most of the trust mortgages securing the underlying issues, with the result that receivers and liquidators might be appointed. I do not say that that result would necessarily follow, because if the Government foreclosed the holders of these securities would probably assume thaJt the Government would take care of the whole situation; oon-sequentiy they would not resort to litigation. Bat there seems no doubt as to their legal right to do so, and there might be a considerable amount of litigation. But that is not the main consideration why the Government should not foreclose and take over the physical properties in this system, although it is a very strong Teason for our not doing so.
The chief advantage of preserving the corporate identity of all the companies embraced in the system is that it maintains the financing which is already being done and it facilitates future financing; that^ is to say, by acquiring-and that is the third alternative, of which my hon. friend spoke -the entire $100,000,000 of the capital stock of the Canadian Northern Bailway company, which in turn controls the stock of all the underlying companies, the Government is enabled to asist the corporate financing of that system. In other words, the system of finance which has been adopted and which is now being employed will continue to be employed, the Government giving such assistance as may, from time to time, be necessary.	_	_
My hon. friend spoke of the liabilities which the Dominion Government would assume in acquiring the stock of this road. Legally, the Government does not immediately become in privity with the holders of the outstanding securities and indebtedness on the road, but I should not be frank with the committee if I did not say that a Government taking over the capital stock and controlling an enterprise such as this would, of course, have the intention of continuing the system as a going concern. I might, however, point out that by acquiring the stock, we are in no materially different position from that in which we are to-day by reason of the guarantees which the Dominion has given in the past. The
$45,000,000 guarantee given in 1914 and the advance of $16,000,000 which we made last year are both secured by mortgages which come next after the mortgages securing the underlying bonds, debenture stock and other issues. The Government is, therefore, in this position, that, having regard to the guarantees given in the past-that is to say, the first mortgage guarantees and the guarantees given in 1914 and 1916 -unless we decide to forego the value of the equity which we hold under those mortgages, we practically must pay the interest on the underlying securities. That is also a very strong reason against a receivership, because if a receivership of the Canadian Northern Railway system took place, the Dominion Government and several of the provincial Governments would really be the receivers, because, being guarantors of the securities, they are liable. That is a very strong argument, as I think my hon. friend intimated, against placing these roads in liquidation.
I stated that most of the information for which my hon. friend asked was before the committee, and in order that we may see what we have and in order then that we may learn what further information is required, and that we may obtain it, I would like to refer to the information we have which was placed upon the Table the other day.


William Pugsley: This was brought down only to considerably more than a year ago.


William Thomas White: Before my hon. friend came in, I explained the reason for that. The Canadian Northern Railway system is so large, like indeed other railway systems such as the Canadian Pacific or the Grand Trunk, that it is not possible to obtain a balance sheet immediately at the close of the fiscal year. It usually requires four or six weeks to obtain a balance sheet.


William Pugsley: At last session, when the loan of $16,000,000 was authorized, the minister made a very strong point of the fact that there was to be a continuous audit by auditors appointed by the Government, and it seems to me it follows from the fact that an audit is made from time to time that the information ought to be presented to this committee for the consideration of the resolution.	*


William Thomas White: My hon. friend was out of the Chamber when I adverted to that matter, but I will repeat what I said.


William Pugsley: I will learn it from another source. The minister need not take

up the time of the committee in repeating what he said.


William Thomas White: We did make that announcement, and we did, forthwith, after the legislation was enacted, appoint Messrs. Marwick, Mitchell & Company, a very reputable firm of chartered accountants, to carry on a continuous audit of the revenues and expenditures of the Canadian Northern Railway system. That continuous audit is a different thing from the yearly balance sheet. That audit has been duly performed, and reports have, from time to time, been made to the Railway Department.


William Pugsley: Does the minister not think we should have those reports?


William Thomas White: I have no objection. I will make inquiry and see if they are available, as I believe they are, and there is no reason why my hon. friend should not have them. It is my desire to give the committee as full information as possible. A statement was placed in my hands by the Secretary of the Canadian Northern dealing with the items of gross earnings, operating expenses and net earnings, corresponding with the audit made by the auditors appointed by the Government. For the year from June 30, 1916, to June 30, 1917, the gross earnings amounted to $42,071,086.66, the operating expenses to $30,623,732.08, and the net earnings to $11,447,354.58. Those net earnings, being subject to certain adjustments when the balance sheet is finally completed, are in excess of the net earnings shown by the balance sheet of last year, the net earnings being then $9,500,000. In other words, according to the statement submitted by the Canadian Northern Railway company and verified by the auditors appointed by the Government, there appears to be an increase in net earnings for the past year of some $2,000,000.


Mr. GERMAN:: Has the Canadian Northern Railway company, or any person on their behalf, applied to the Government for financial aid, or why is this proposition being suggested? Having net earnings to the amount of $9,000,000 to $11,000,000, are they applying to the Government now for financial aid?	*


William Thomas White: That is a very proper question. But perhaps my hon. friend was not in the House the other day when I made a speech on this subject. I thought I had attended to that point very fully. I shall, however, be glad to give my hon. friend the information. The explana-
tion is a very simple one. A railway company like the Canadian Northern-in fact, any railway company-is continually required to make betterments, to provide rolling stock, and to make instalment payments upon equipment secured.


William Manley German: I heard what the minister said the other day.
'Sir THOMAS WHITE: The reason why the Canadian Northern requires aid at the present time is found conclusively in the financial statements which I have mentioned.


William Manley German: Have they asked for aid?


William Thomas White: I hope my hon. friend does not think that the Government is without any intimation from the Canadian Northern that they need aid, and is going out of its way to provide aid, or to take over the system. If the Canadian, Northern was able to finance itself this matter would not be before the House; the Canadian Northern would be paying interest upon its underlying securities, would be financing its betterments, paying for its rolling stock, floating all its temporary loans, and not putting in an appearance at Ottawa at all. It is because they find themselves in a position where they cannot go on and where Government aid is imperatively necessary or default must occur, that this measure is before the House.


William Manley German: How much do they ask for?


William Thomas White: The Canadian Northern have presented 'their situation to the Government, .and this situation is disclosed in the statement which I have laid before Parliament. The Government, instead olf bringing in a Bill to .afford aid as they did last year, have taken the ground that they will acquire the stock interests of the Canadian Northern owners, so that such aid as they afford will be aid to an enterprise which will be owned by the people o,f Canada instead of by the present proprietors.


William Pugsley: Does the minister state that the Canadian Northern have made no written application for assistance whidh can be submitted to the House?


William Thomas White: They have made no Written application for assistance.


William Pugsley: What verbal 'application have they made, what amount have they asked for, ,and for what purpose?


William Thomas White: The Canadian
Northern officials presented their financial statement to the Government. They have certain .short-term liabilities maturing during the present year, which they^ may be [DOT]able to Tenew-probably will be able to renew.


William Pugsley: Are they not all secured by Government guaranteed bonds?


William Thomas White: Nearly all of
them are. I believe they will be able to renew most of them, it not all. It must be borne in mind that we are in war time, and that it is not possible to speak with certainty as to whether loans secured, as my hon. friend has said, by the highest kind of collateral, can be renewed, although I believe myself that they will be renewed. But apart from that, by reason of the fact that the Canadian Northern has to take its net earnings to provide for betterments, for principal payments on rolling stock already required, and for new rolling stock, it is not possible for them to pay the interest on their underlying securities. Apart from the question of the renewal of short-term obligations, and the question of liability upon open account, which I believe is considerable, the Canadian Northern would require in the neighbourhood of $20,000,000 to pay interest obligations incurred and to be incurred in respect of securities taking priority over the $45,000,000 mortgage of the Dominion Government.
That was the position brought to our attention, and that being the position, instead of bringing down a Bill to give .aid to the extent of $20,000,000 or $25,000,000, which would, I think, be the minimum that would be required for the purpose of enabling the Canadian Northern to continue during the coming year as a solvent, going concern, the Government determined to take over the road for the people of Canada, so that any aid we might be called upon to furnish would inure to the benefit of the people of Canada.


William Pugsley: Would the minister state what is the amount of these short-term notes, where they are held-I presume either in London or New York, or both- and what are the guaranteed securities which have been hypothecated as security for these short-term notes?


William Thomas White: That is the point to which I was about to advert. I think my hon. friend will find all that information in the document which has been laid
on the Table. I want to find out just what we have before the House, because a great deal of the information asked for by the hon. member for South Renfrew (Mr. Graham) has already been placed on the Table; and when we have ascertained definitely what there is before the House, we can see what further information may reasonably be required, and endeavour to obtain it for the information of the members of the committee. My hon. friend fiom South Renfrew referred to the securities some of which he thought had been issued at a rate very much below par. That is not my understanding of the situation.


William Pugsley: Will my hon. friend answer my question?


William Thomas White: I intended first to deal with the long-date securities, and then come to the short-term securities, as I thought I could cover the ground better in that way. As I was saying, I am not aware that the securities of the Canadian Northern system have been sold at a heavy discount. On the contrary, in 1914, when a complete statement was made to this House as to the securities which had been issued and as to the amount which they had realized, the entire House was surprised that they had been so successful in placing at low interest Tates their securities by successive issues in London.


George Perry Graham: Some of the subsidiary
companies are pretty low.


William Thomas White: They did not issue the securities of the subsidiary companies. What they did was this:	The parent company would take the debenture stock or other securities of the subsidiary company, and against that issue their own debenture stock, and that debenture stock was issued at a very low rate of interest indeed1, even at that time, but exceedingly low as compared with the rates prevailing now.


William Pugsley: That does not apply to the $147,000,000 of their securities against which there ie no debenture stock.


William Thomas White: I am speaking of the securities, and in passing, I want to make this observation. If ever there was a proper time to- acquire a railway system whose securities have been put out at a comparatively low rate of interest this is the time, because this is the time of high interest rates, and it will be many years indeed before it will be possible even for the Government of Canada to issue securities on the basis on which these securities

were issued by the Canadian Northern. The same argument -applies to the Grand Trunk. It is surprising at what a low rate of interest they put out their securities in view of the rates which prevail 'to-day for securities of the Imperial Government in -London, and of the 'Dominion Government here.


Rodolphe Lemieux: This is a time when the Government is paying a very high rate of interest-an. -abnormal rate.


William Thomas White: 
William Manley German: Are the figures given under "obligations" current liabilities?


William Thomas White: I am glad that my hon. friend has mentioned tfiat. He has in mind, no doubt, what my hon. friend from South Renfrew said as to whether there was any indebtedness to contractors. I made careful inquiry about that, and I am getting a statement respecting it for the information of the committee. But I am told that all obligations to contractors are practically cleaned up. The secretary of the Railway Department tells me .that there is not on record with the department at the present time $100,000 of claims against the Canadian Northern Railway system. The situation has been cleared up since 1914 when there were large amounts outstanding due to contractors. There may be some outstanding liabilities, but if there are they are comparatively small.


Charles Murphy: There was an action commenced for a large amount some two years ago.


William Thomas White: By Foley-Welch?


Charles Murphy: Yes.


William Thomas White: The claim with regard to the Sudbury-Port Arthur branch has been settled.


William Pugsley: On the question of shortterm notes, would the minister give the committee some information? From the statement on page 12 it would appear that the amount borrowed in New York is $21,750,000. As collateral for that, there are $30,648,247.33 of Government securities.
Those would be guaranteed securities and there would be a margin of nearly nine millions. Is it open to the Canadian Northern Railway company to dispose of those guaranteed bonds that are now simply up as collateral? Is there anything in their agreement with the Government which would prevent them from selling them outright?


William Thomas White: There is no arrangement. If, when these notes matured- and it could not be done before-the Canadian Northern paid them off, the collateral would go to the Canadian Northern and would become part of the assets of that company.


William Pugsley: On the New York loans there is a margin of 50 per cent.


William Thomas White: Not of real value; that is of face value. I have shown the committee that we have a complete statement as to Government guaranteed loans and as to unguaranteed funded debt; also a complete statement as to the short-term loans and current liabilities, and also a complete statement as to the collateral held as security for the latter. I have said that there is practically no indebtedness, outstanding to contractors.
I come now to the last point made by the hon. member for South Renfrew (Mr. Graham), as to the mode of acquiring these shares, and also as to what would be the prospective requirements of this road for the next two years. The amount of money which may be spent upon any road is variable. There is no doubt that very Large sums might be spent upon the Canadian Northern to equip it properly in order that it may render the maximum of public service. On the other hand, -a road can be operated so as to give a reasonable public service with an expenditure that falls short of the amount which would be required to give an ideal service. Therefore, the amount which would be required upon the Canadian Northern for the next five years is a matter, necessarily, of estimate, and, not only that, but it is one which may depend upon the amount of money available. In the report which is before the House, made by Sir Henry Drayton and Mr. Ac-worth, the matter is gone into very fully. There is an immense amount of information in this report. Nearly all the information asked for by the hon. member for South Renfrew (Mr. Graham) will be found in it. On page XU there is a paragraph headed " Prospective Requirements of Canadian Northern." They siay:
The Canadian Northern estimate submitted
to us further calculated that, in course of the



next five years, the company will need to spend $12,500,000 of new capital for additions and betterments, and $25,000,000 for new equipment. We consider these estimates entirely inadequate, and especially so in relation to the estimate of 90 per cent increase in gross receipts. The company has acknowledge that its equipment is inadequate to take care of its existing business. That equipment stands in the company's books at $59,000,000. If the business were to increase 90 per cent, it would seem to need not $25,000,000 but over $50,000, 000 spent on new equipment to handle it.
That is to say, it $50,000,000 is spent the business will increase 90 per cent, and, of course, if .the business increased 90 per cent the expenditure would be .more than justified and to .a considerable extent liquidated by the earnings. The .amount that will be spent upon the Canadian Northern in the future is not susceptible of .accurate estimate, but if the Dominion Government is acquiring, as it is, .a system isnch as this, it should be its object, consistently with the financial position from time to time, to so improve the facilities' of the road as to render the best service to the public. The railway companies of Canada, with the exception of the Canadian Pacific, are all short of rolling stock. The fact that the Government of Canada will have to expend a certain .amount on the Canadian Northern line and large amounts for rolling stock for the road is, of course, no argument against the acquisition of that system, because the rolling stock is required to carry our agricultural .products to the seaboard .and to render .service generally to the commercial community. I do not know of any greater need in this country than that of rolling stock. The shops are working to their utmost1 capacity. The Minister of Railways is, I believe, willing to place orders for rolling stock practically .to the maximum of the capacity of the industrial establishments of the Dominion, to the end that the railways of Canada, the Intercolonial, the National Transcontinental, the Canadian Northern, may he equipped to render the best service to the public.
The bon. member for South Renfrew spoke of having a valuation made by the Exchequer Court. I .may say that in reaching .a determination to have the value of these shares fixed by an arbitration we were influenced by several considerations. I shall mention only two main considerations.


William Manley German: Why not give ns all?


William Thomas White: The two principal considerations. The Drayton-Acworth report recognizes that there should he equit-

able consideration for the owners of the stock of t.'ie Canadian Northern railway, and they suggest, in a plan which they propose, that arbitrators should determine the amount of stock which the Canadian Northern Railway owners and pledgees should be allowed to retain, and further the amount of the earnings of the Dominion Railway company which would be properly attributable to these shares. They recommend arbitration, and the mode which we have adopted in the resolution is precisely on all-fours with the recommendation of the Drayton-Acworth report; that is to say, that the owners of the stock should name one arbitrator, the Dominion Government should name another, and the two so appointed should name a third, or if they cannot agree that the third should be named by the senior judge of the Exchequer Court. There is another principal consideration. A legal controversy as to values, based upon all the factors that might enter into it, of a great railway system could extend quite conceivably over a year and a half or two years. I refer to the various factors entering into the valuation of the shares of a railway. They are all indicated by Professor Swain and are set out in the Drayton-Acworth report. In the first place, there is the question of physical value. I need not say to this House that if we had as able a lawyer on our side as the hon. gentleman from St. John, and the owners and pledgees had on the other side as equally able a lawyer, if he could be found in, Canada-


William Pugsley: And both sides interested in making a strong case?


William Thomas White: and both sides interested in making as strong a case as possible as to the value of the physical properties of a railway system of 9,500 miles, my hon. friend can see the vista opened to the legal imagination, as to the element of original value and all interest upon that, and the reproduction value. All that would be talked about by the lawyers, and all that would be dealt with by the expert witnesses who would be called by legion.


William Pugsley: Marvellous possibilities in arbitrations.


William Thomas White: No, before the court.


William Pugsley: I have been on arbitrations. Give me an arbitration every tune.


William Thomas White: That is only one factor of cost, and by no means a con-

elusive factor in the case. The least conclusive factor as to value is the matter of the physical property. It is a factor, as pointed out in the report, but it is by no means conclusive as to value. You may have a book value in which the assets are very much greater than the liabilities, but that is by no means a conclusive factor as to what is a fair value for the shares, because the question arises as to what is the actual earning power, the potential earning power, and, apart from that, the financial position of the system. All those factors would have to be taken into consideration. Now, with the procedure before the court, I could well conceive an inquiry on expropriation lasting over a couple of years. My view is that the Board of Arbitrators, selected as set out in this resolution, would be able to deal with the situation very much more expeditiously and just as fairly as before the Exchequer Court.


Charles Murphy: Would that not depend on the scope of the reference of submission to arbitration?	*


William Thomas White: The scope of the reference is a simple one. It reads as follows:
3. The said arbitrators shall determine the value of the said six hundred thousand shares as of the date of the said agreement and the said arbitrators shall proceed in a summary way and may apply their own judgment in determining such value and may receive with respect thereto, such reports and statements authenticated in such way as they may decide and such evidence as they may deem necessary or helpful, examine witnesses under oath and hear the parties by counsel or representatives and that the unanimous determination of the arbitrators shall be final, but should the determination not be unanimous an appeal from such determination shall lie to the Supreme Court of Canada on behalf of the Governor in Council, or of the owners or pledgees, upon any question of law or fact, such appeal to be made within thirty days from the rendering of the determination.


William Pugsley: What is meant by
"summary"? In what way could they proceed?


William Thomas White: I do not know any one who knows better than my hon. friend the meaning of the word "summary."
I have a good memory, and so has he. I remember one occasion in the House, when I was called upon to define the word "summary," my hon. friend came to my assistance, as he sometimes does, and he defined the word "summary" in a very satisfactory way. No doubt he will recollect, because no one knows better than he does what it means.
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William Pugsley: I know what it means in criminal proceedings, but I don't know about this matter.


William Thomas White: I think it denotes freedom from the rigid proceedings of a court, dealing with a matter in a summary or direct eommonsense way, the idea being to obtain an award in a reasonable time.


William Manley German: "Summary" in legal
phraseology sometimes means that only one party is heard.


William Thomas White: Here we give the power to deal with it in a summary way. My hon. friend from South Renfrew thinks that, instead of determining the value of the shares we should approximate a lump sum in recognition of the services of Messrs. Mackenzie and Mann. I do not agree with that view at all. I do not believe that it is part of the duty of the Government of Canada, or of Parliament, to recognize the services of men working for their own interests in the building of a transcontinental road or otherwise. I think the proper way to deal with it, if we determine to acquire the shares-as we have to acquire the shares- is to have their fair and reasonable value fixed by arbitration, or by such other procedure as may be determined upon by Parliament.
I think I have traversed the entire ground covered by the hon. member from South Renfrew. I believe that the only information that is not before us and that is required is a statement as to any outstanding liabilities to contractors, and, if possible, a balance sheet for 1917. A balance sheet got out now will not be quite accurate for the reason I have given; it will be a matter of estimate as to the last month or so if the position of the Canadian Northern Railway system is to be shown as of June 30, 1917. It is pointed out to me by he Financial Controller of the Railway Department that on page 8 the amount due contractors is set out as follows:
Due to construction contractors at April 30, 1917, $1,277,323.
These, he tells me, are nearly all holdbacks.


William Manley German: Would the minister give us the names of the pledgees of this stock, particularly of the one-sixth which, it is said, is not immediately obtainable?


William Thomas White: I may be able to obtain that information. The majority of the stock, that is to say, 51 or 52 per cent-I am not in a position to state the

precise percentage-is held by Sir William Mackenzie and' Sir Donald Mann and their pledgees. The one-sixth, about which my hon. friend has inquired, is held, I believe, in England. From time to time in past years certain amounts of that stock were sold or transferred to parties with whom the owners were doing business. I am not positive as to that, however. No doubt the books of the company would show the names of the shareholders, although in the case of scrip stock, the names appearing in the books of the company are not necessarily the names of the owners of the scrip. For instance, Canadian Pacific stock might stand in the name of my hon. friend, but might be transferred by his endorsement to another party. However, I shall endeavour to obtain that information for the House.


William Pugsley: On page 12 of the financial statement the gross earnings of the Canadian Northern Kailway system are given as $42,319,000. Part of that consists of miscellaneous earnings of some subsidiary companies, including interest on investments, etc. Would that include interest upon land stock?


William Thomas White: The financial comptroller of the Railway Department tells me that the interest on the lands is not included in that.


William Pugsley: Why does the Government propose to take over certain stock in the Canadian Northern Prairie Lands company and assume thereby liability for the mortgages against the lands amounting to over $21,000,000?


William Thomas White: The lands of this company were .mortgaged to secure a debenture issue in London. The proceeds of that issue were used in the construction of the road. As the lands weTe sold, their proceeds are available to reduce the mortgage. As the lands are of greater value than the mortgage debt, there would be a substantial equity in those lands when the transaction is complete.


William Pugsley: These lands to which
I refer are unproductive; they are bringing no interest whatever, and they are subject to 'heavy municipal taxes. They are lands the cream of which was selected during the boom days. It is doubtful whether it is advisable to ask this country
10 p.m. to assume a debenture liability of $21,000,000 for something which is in no way connected with the Canadian Northern Railway system. To

leave it in the hands of the present proprietors, the Canadian Northern Prairie Lands company, would be no injustice to them.


William Thomas White: The appraisal of the company is $29,000,000.


William Pugsley: That is the book value.


William Thomas White: In one sense it
is the book value, but it is also the value placed upon the lands by the company.


Mr PUGSLEY:: Is the Government going to take their valuation?


William Thomas White: I will come to
that in a moment. I do not agree that these lands are not valuable; the best evidence that my hon. friend is wrong is the fact that the land mortgage debentures were floated against them. The land mortgage debentures aggregate some $17,000,000; as against that there is the value of these lands, $29,000,000. My hon. friend says: Why does the Government take over those?


William Pugsley: It is more than $17,000,000; it is $21,000,000.


William Thomas White: We do not take them over directly. On the one side of the balance sheet of the Canadian Northern Railway company are these lands, although they are pledged. On the other side i? the liability of the 'stock issued in respect of them. It would be a very foolish thing for the Government, if they are to become proprietors, to allow the equity in those lands to be lost to the company. My hon. friend would not suggest that the Government should waive the equity in the lands held as security under these land mortgages.


William Pugsley: Why not?


William Thomas White: Some years ago
I knew a good deal about the land grants of the Canadian Northern, and they sold to good advantage., There are deferred payments and .accrued interest on sales amounting to $7,140,000; there is cash, $2,400,000, as against a liability of


William Pugsley: 



Of $21,000,000.

William Thomas White: of $17,000,000.


William Pugsley: Of $21,000,000-$17,000,-
000 and $2,000,000 and $1,850,000.
.Sir THOMAS WHITE: Twenty-one millions. There are lands unsold to the amount of over $19,000,000.


William Pugsley: Unproductive lands are not of much value. If you have an agreement of sale and your purchasers are good

and substantial amounts are paid, your agreements are valuable. They might not all be paid up.


William Thomas White: But the point is that there is a substantial equity.


William Pugsley: What is the par value, not the actual value of the land company's stock *which the Government is to take over under this arrangement?


William Thomas White: The Canadian
Northern Railway company have put out these securities that my hon. friend has mentioned, and they are liable for them as is shown on the balance sheet. An asset which they have on the other side against that is these prairie lands. How could we take over the Canadian Northern Railway company and have that company relieved from debenture liabilities? If that is so, why should we give away to some one else the lands which the Canadian Northern has pledged?


William Pugsley: That is one very good argument why you should expropriate the railway and rolling stock instead of placing upon the shoulders of the people of this country a liability of $21,000,000 in respect of lands they do not desire.


William Thomas White: I think that is one of the best assets the company has, except the Government guaranteed stock, because I believe in the lands of the West.


William Pugsley: With the taxes, the surtaxes and the interest running up, nonproductive prairie land in the West is not a very valuable security. The minister ought to be able to give us some information as to these lands, because under the guise of taking over a railway and rolling stock for the purpose of operating it for what is purported to be the interest of Canada, there is included in the liability which this company will necessarily assume $21,000,000, and all the Government will have to represent that will be whatever shares of stock they hold :n the Prairie Lands company. The minister is not able to tell us whether that is muon or little. I have seen it stated somewhere that the par valud of the stock which is held directly by the Canadian Northern Railway company is only about $50,000. That may be true or not, but the minister ought to be able to give us the information.


William Thomas White: The chances are that the capitalization is small.


William Pugsley: That may be. On the one hand there is the uncertainty as to the
value of this unproductive land, hut on the other there is the absolute certainty of the liability of this country to make good those debentures to the amount of $21,000,000. That is not fair to the people of Canada. If you want to take over this railroad because you think it will be in the public interest to improve the line and the roadbed, and to increase the rolling stock, that is one thing, but to take a lot of unproductive real estate and to assume in respect of it a bond obligation of $21,000,000 is wholly unjustifiable. The minister says: Oh, well, we cannot take the stock and leave the company with a liability upon those bonds. There might possibly be something in that were it not for the fact that in the next breath he says that the Canadian Northern Railway company is practically bankrupt. If that .he so, then all the security which those debenture holders could have would be the liens upon the lands. If the Government did not assume the liability, the debenture holders would still have the security. I assume the titles for the lands are vested in the Eimpire Trust company. They would sti'l hold those lands for the debenture holders, and that isvthe security which those gentlemen who took the debentures understood they were getting, and it is the security which they will still continue to have. If there is nothing else in this proposition, that fact alone ought to prevent this resolution from having the approval of the committee. Twenty-one millions of dollars is a very large amount of money. While the minister says there are assets upon the other side consisting of over $2,000,000 in cash, that would not much more than pay the interest for two years on those debentures. While he says they are deferred payments and accrued interest upon sales, it does not at all follow that those agreements of sale are good security; that depends upon how much has been paid on them by the purchasers, whether the purchasers have made improvements on the land, whether there are good crops in the locality in which those lands are situated, whether the crops are liable to be burned up by drought or destroyed by hail, and so on. The minister, before he asks the country to assume such an enormous liability in respect of those lands ought surely to give us some information as to where the lands are situated, how many payments have been made upon those agreements of sale, and he ought to have a statement made by an expert of the actual value of the land and how many acres have beer. sold. The

book value of the unsold lands is put in at about $19,000,000. Where are the lands situated? Are they close to the railway, in good, productive country, in a country which is well settled? Or are they in a country which is liable to frequent drought, or in which there are other conditions which would practically destroy the value of the land? I happen to know that the energetic firm of Davidson, McRae and company, during -the boom days running along prior to 1913, brought in large numbers of people from the United States, and they sold what we have a right to assume was the cream of the land grants of this company; and to-day the lands which they hold are what have been left by the people who came in from the United States. Can my hon. friend tell me what were the sales last year by this company, and what was the average value of the sales? If he could do that, it would give us an idea of hew long it would take us to dispose of these lands after the Government acquired them and we should also have some idea as to whether the interest on the debentures during that time would not very largely exhaust the value of the land. I quite agree with the minister that lands we I' situated in the West are quite an asset, but they are not nearly as good an asset as many people think they are, because in the provinces of the West to-day there is not only a pretty heavy tax against farm lands, but also a surtax on farm lands that are not under cultivation and that surtax adds very largely to the burden of the holders of those properties. During me time the land would remain unsold, which would likely extend over a number of years, the interest has to be paid, and when you consider it all a pretty big hole is made in the value of this unproductive real estate. I, for one, no matter what I may do with regard to the general proposition of the railway, would not consent to take over these lands at all, and I think Parliament ought not to be asked to take them over, except upon the most satisfactory evidence of their having value commensurate with the enormous liability which would be assumed' by the Government. To my mind, the issue of debentures to the enormous sum of $21,000,000 against unproductive land grants of this company is something beyond reason, and yet this country is actually asked to assume this liability, to make good these debentures. I think the minister should give the committee more information on this subject than he has yet afforded, and should also find out the amount of stock in this prairie land qom-
pany, where the lands are situated, and what is their appraised value. I know plenty of people who have been holding lands for fifteen or twenty years because they are unable to dispose of them. A good deal depends upon the locality and upon the settlement around these lands, because settlers necessarily give a value which is not possessed by land in localities that are not settled.


Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:: My hon. friend was asking for the location of these lands. If he will turn to page XV of the Drayton-Aoworth report, he will find the following figures:
Land Grants to Canadian Northern.
Location.	Received.	Of which sold.Nova Scotia 	. 150,000	150,000Quebec 	. 402,860	Ontario 	. 2,000,000	Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta 	. 4,002,848	3,159,7206,555,708	3,309,720
In round figures the amount realized from the land sales was $16,000,000, and the company appraises its unsold lands at $19,000,000 present value. That does not appear to be an unfair value placed upon the land in comparison with the amount of money they have received, because the land will naturally be close to the railway.


William Pugsley: The statement of my
hon. friend shows his faith in human nature. He says that because the company has estimated its unsold lands at $79,000,000 and because it has already realized $16,000,000 in round figures, that that would show that the price was not unreasonable.


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: That is only
half the acreage sold.


William Pugsley: Does not my hon. friend realize that in the West there are lands and lands? If he would examine the reports of the surveyors of the Interior Department he would find that there is first-class land, second-class land; and third-class land. Some is good for agricultural purposes; some is easily capable of being cultivated-


Joseph Elijah Armstrong: I understand
that these lands are carefully selected.
iMr. PUGSLEY:	My hon. friend may
rely upon it that these shrewd settlers who came in from the United States when the late Colonel Davidson was actively managing that company, selected the best lands which they could find in the tract. I do

not want to disparage the lands at all, but I do say that this country does not want to buy back these lands at this very high price. This country does not want to assume a bonded indebtedness of $21,000,000 against these lands. There is no necessity for it; it does not improve the railway system, and it will be of no benefit whatever to the country to have them.


Robert Laird Borden: Before the hon. gentleman leaves that point I should like to understand just what he means. It may be all very clear to himself, but he has not made his argument intelligible to me at all. As I understand it, the moneys derived from the sale of these bonds have gone into the road. Does not my hon. friend understand that? If he does understand that, what does he suggest? Does he suggest that we should not take the lands as an asset? The liability is there. Does he suggest that we should not take the .asset with it?


William Pugsley: I would abandon both the asset and the liability.


Robert Laird Borden: We are not taking the lands except in so far ,as we are taking the stock. We are acquiring the stock of the Canadian Northern system, and we are acquiring it by the very method he himself suggested a few years .ago, namely, [DOT]by .arbitration. Perhaps my hon. friend has forgotten that.


William Pugsley: Not at all.


Robert Laird Borden: We are following out precisely the path which he indicated at that time. I really am unable to appreciate the argument of my hon. friend on that basis. The money has gone into the construction of the road; therefore, the liability on these bonds is a liability on the road. Does he mean that we should .accept that liability and not take the asset which it represents?
Mr.'PUGSLEY: I did not say that.


Robert Laird Borden: If my hon.
friend's argument means anything .at all it means that. If it has not that meaning it is not very intelligible to me, however intelligible it may be to him. Perhaps my hon. friend would define precisely what he is driving at.


William Pugsley: I am .alfraid my right hon. friend was paying more attention to his own thoughts than to what I was endeavouring to say. If he was paying attention to me he must have understood that
what I was saying was that neither with the liability nor with the lands should Parliament have .anything to do. We should neither assume .the liability nor take the lands.


William Thomas White: How could the Canadian Northern, whose stock the Government is acquiring, divest itself of its bonded indebtedness upon securities issued against this land?


William Pugsley: My argument is based upon the fact that the Government should expropriate the railway and rolling stock of the company and nothing more. Leave the company in existence, leave it the stock, and leave it the liabilities.


Robert Laird Borden: Why does my hon. friend depart from the method which he .suggested a few years ago, when he said that we should acquire the stock by arbitration?


William Pugsley: I did not suggest it. I opposed the transaction at that time, but as a last resort when we, being in the minority, found the Government determined to carry this measure through, I said that at all events before making a loan of some $45,000,000, the Government should make it obligatory upon the Canadian Northern that we should have the opportunity of acquiring the stock and that either by arbitration, or by the Exchequer Court, or by the Governor in Council, the amount should be fixed not to exceed a certain sum-


William Thomas White: Thirty million dollars.


William Pugsley: That is the argument I endeavoured to make. Not that I approved of it, but I said that if it was to be forced through, there should be that condition attached to it.


Robert Laird Borden: My hon. friend said much more than that.


William Pugsley: I could not have said more.


Robert Laird Borden: My hon. friend said that:
It is fair, fair to Mackenzie and Mann and Company and it is a fair and reasonable proposition on behalf of the people of this country.


William Pugsley: The amount mentioned was not more than $30,000,000. If it was going to be acquired at all, I suggested that that stipulation should be made. The same argument was made last year. It was argued that, the country having during

past years from time to time come to the rescue of the Canadian Northern, an agreement should be made that, if deemed desirable, it might acquire the stock at an amount not exceeding $30,000,000. Now what I said is that the fact that there is this enormous liability outstanding is a practical argument against taking the property in such a way that the Government would not only acquire the railway and rolling stock, but would- acquire this liability also.


Robert Laird Borden: Was not that enormous liability outstanding then?


William Pugsley: I do not know as to that. I take it for granted that the question did not come up. My attention was not called to it at that time, because it was not proposed to take over the stock of the company. It was only proposed to make a loan or give a guarantee. But now it is proposed that the Government shall take over all the stock of the company, and become, in equity and to all intents and purposes, the Canadian Northern Railway company, and, therefore become, ipso facto, liable for all the obligations of the company, including these land grant bonds of $21,000,000.
There is another very strong argument against this proposal for taking over the stock, and it is that it is proposed to do it by arbitration. Perhaps that would be a proper way to proceed if you are simply going to take the stock; but I would ask why, if it is desirable to acquire the Canadian Northern railway and rolling stock, it should not be taken by expropriation in the ordinary way. It used to be the law in this country that whenever the Government expropriated property the valuation was determined by arbitration. That was found to be a very unsatisfactory means of arriving at the value of the property which was expropriated. Favoritism and sympathy entered' into the question of arbitration. The claimant against the Government always had the sympathy of his own arbitrator, because, of course, with respect to him, he would not only have his sympathy but his actual support, and as his arbitrator he would naturally endeavour to get the most he could for the man on whose behalf he was appointed. But it was likewise the case that on the part of the arbitrator appointed to act for the Government there was a feeling of sympathy for the claimant. Then, in the appointment of the third arbitrator, a shrewd clever arbitrator appointed on behalf of the claimant would use his best endeavours' to get a
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third arbitrator who would likely be favourable to the claimant. An arbitrator acting for the Government, having the whole nation behind him, is not likely to have the same sympathy for the Government that an arbitrator acting for the claimant would have for the claimant. The reason why that plan was changed was that there was a feeling that arbitrators allowed to claimants against the Government more than ought to have been allowed. That is why the Exchequer Court was established. With a gentleman possessing a knowledge of the law, with experience as to the valuation of property, and utterly impartial- because it was felt that from his judicial position he would be likely to be impartial -and having no sympathy for either the claimant or the Government, it was thought that the Exchequer Court would be a tribunal which would decide these questions equitably as between the individual and the Government. The Exchequer Court has been for many years in operation in Canada, and I have yet to learn that there has been any public dissatisfaction with the manner in which the different judges who have presided over that tribunal from time to time have discharged their duties. Why has that course been departed from in this case? If it is desirable in the public interest to take over the railway property of this company and nothing else-its rolling stock, elevators, and perhaps its hotels- why has the Exchequer Court been passed , over? Why have we reverted to what was the practice forty or fifty years ago, why have we gone back to the proceeding by arbitration as between the claimant and the Government instead of adhering to the practice of submitting a claim of this nature to the Exchequer Court?
There is another objection to this resolution. It does not propose to have the property of this railway system valued. It is not proposed simply to pay for this railway system what it is fairly worth, but the resolution in effect declares that this stock has a value over and above the securities which are against the road. Arbitrators are to be appointed to determine what that value is. Whatever the value is found to be, when the Government takes over the stock at that valuation, it becomes liable for all the securities which are outstanding against -this system and for all the liabilities, whether these liabilities are secured or not.
We find, -Sir, that there is another motive which might influence the arbitrators who may be appointed by the Government and induce them to take a friendly view of the

claim which the Canadian Northern, or Mackenzie and Mann, may put forward for the stock.
It is this. When the bonds of the company to the extent of $45,000,000 were guaranteed under the legislation of 1915, this Government sought to make this House and this country believe that, in taking over $40,000,000 of its common stock, they were getting an asset which would be of value to the country. Else why did they take it? They were not getting a controlling interest; Mackenzie and Mann were left to continue to operate the line and to have its management just as before. They put it forward that it was a stock that might be of viery considerable value to the people of this country. In what position would an arbitrator appointed by this Government ibe if he found 'that the $60,000,000 of stock was of no value? The reproach would be made against the Government which appointed him and whose representatives he would be that the Government of 1915 had simply taken over waste paper as a consideration for entering upon the enormous liability, and that that which the Government then put forward as likely to have a very great value, in the future was practically of no value at all. On the other hand, if the Government arbitrator were to recognize- that the Government were right in assuming that the stock of the company had a value in 1915, he would enable this Government, whose appointee he would be, to say: What foresight we had in 1915; we took ovier, as a consideration for out guarantee, $40,000,00 of stock, and see the three arbitrators have valued $60,000,000 of stock at par, showing that we, in 1915, with that prescience and foresight for which at all times we are prepared to claim credit, got a security worth $40,000,000 as consideration for entering upon this liability.


William Thomas White: My hen. friend,
I understand, admitted that he had suggested $30,000,000 as a figure for the whole amount of stock. Let me ask him whether, on his own assumption /the obtaining of $40,000,000 out of $100,000,000 in 1914 was not of advantage to the people of Canada?


William Pugsley: Provided I was right ot would have been right. But my hon. friend is doing me an injustice. What I said was that as a condition of giving this guarantee, the Government would have to contract to- take over this stock at the valuation fixed under law.


Robert Laird Borden: By arbitration.


William Pugsley: Did I say by arbitration? If you like, by arbitration, but not to exceed the sum of $30,000,000. Does my hon. friend think I am always right?


Robert Laird Borden: No, no, no; we do not claim that at all.
- Mir. PUGSLEY: Has he introduced this legislation because of that amendment which I suggested-forced and driven to the last *ditch in resisting the proposition put forward, a proposition which the country at large did not approve, and which I did not approve?


William Thomas White: Oh no.


William Pugsley: If he does so, I am prepared to admit that if a proposition had been made then as it is to-day to take over the entire system, I would have said: Take it over by expropriation and let the Exchequer Court determine its value.


William Thomas White: My hon. friend
did not say that.


William Pugsley: If you took it by expropriation what would be the result? The country would have to pay what the Exchequer Court would find to be the actual value of the property. If you take it by arbitration, take it in the way you propose, no matter whether the country has to pay $10,090,000 or $60,000,000 for the stock, the country becomes liable foir -all the outstanding liabilities of the company, amounting to over - $380,000,000. That is the position in which you are going to. place this -country. The hon. member for Wblland (Mr. German) says it is something over $400,000,000. At all events, it is in that vicinity, and whether the road to-day is worth $200,000,000 or $400,000,000 under this proposition the moment the arbitration is made, the moment the arbitrators finish their work, the Government, under this resolution and under the Bill that is to. be founded upon it, will he obliged in law to take it over and become responsible for all outstanding liabilities of the company. That is the result which will follow the arbitration and, as I have said, if the finding of the arbitrators, is -unanimous, whether it is $10,000,000 or $60,000,000 or more than that, this Government will be bound to pay that amount, without any further authority from this Parliament; they are providing by this resolution that the Government must pay the amount and charge it .against the consolidated revenues of this country.

My hon. friend has said that -there are guaranteed liabilities, that the Dominion has guaranteed $104,000,000 -and the provinces of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia, have also guaranteed debentures of this company. What are those guaranteed debentures? Those guaranteed by the Dominion amount to $104,000,000, and those guaranteed by -the provinces to $107,000,000, a total of $211,000,000. Assuming that it would 'be in the public interest that these liabilities should be entered into by the Dominion and that Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia should all be saved from their Liabilities, what reason or what excuse is there for passing legislation which will compel this country to assume $147,000,000 of liabilities which are unguaranteed, of liabilities to which the public faith has been in no 'way pledged? What reason is there for that? The investors who took the unguaranteed bonds upon the various sections of the Canadian Northern system had no promise from this Government or from the provincial governments that the -securities would he made good. And yet, irrespective of ihe value of -the securities, this Government is asking Parliament to become liable for this enormous additional sum of $147,000,000 of Unguaranteed securities, and that without any regard whatever to- what amount the investor paid, or to the market value of its -securities. If my hon. friend will take up the financial journals, he will find these unguaranteed securities have no value in the markets of the world of much over fifty per cent, taking one with another. He will find, if he studies the financial journals, and the markets of England, Canada and New York, that he could go and buy these $147,000,000 of securities for somewhere in the vicinity of $70,000,000 to $80,000,000, according to the quoted market value to-day. And of course the securities are based, to a very considerable extent, upon the view which the investors take of the value of the property by which their securities are so secured. Yet to those securities, which I have said are not quoted in the financial market at very much over fifty cents on the dollar, ranging from fifty to sixty, and in some cases seventy per cent, it is proposed to at once give an absolute value, by the Government going behind them and taking the place of the Canadian Northern. I do not think that is a fair proposition. It seems to me that what ought to he done is for the Government to expropriate this property, to have the various portions of the system, so far as these portions are 
covered by independent securities, valued by the Exchequer Court, have them disposed of, and, if the holders of the securities will not make the necessary arrangement, dispose of the property, and divide the assets according to the priorities and according to the claims of the various security holders. But, without any evidence whatever of the actual cost, and knowing that the actual value as- represented by the earnings is not sufficient to cover what it is proposed to pay, why the Government should undertake to pledge the credit of the country, not only for what may be awarded to Mackenzie and Mann as the holders of the common stock, but also to meet the necessary liabilities up to their face value, passes my comprehension. It seems to me it is a proposal which should not commend itself to the people of this country.	And it is proposed
to assume this enormous liability, which will run u.p to somewhere in the vicinity of $500,000,000, at -a time when, in consequence of this war and in consequence of the markets of England being clo-sed to the Canadian Government, Canada is obliged to strain every nerve to borrow the money for the purpose of -doing her part in connection with the world conflict. The minister proposes to do this at -a time when he is obliged to forget his determination and the -determination of the people with whom he was acting not long ago, when they cried out: "No truck or trade with the Yankees," -and to go to -the New York money market and pay the very high rate of interest of six per cent for a shortterm loan extending over -a period of two years. This Government's credit has been strained to such a -point that Canada, with all its vast resources, with its wonderful possibilities of future development, with its enormous riche-s, is compelled to pay two -and a half per cent more in the markets of the United States than -the United States Government was obliged to pay in connection with the flotation of its Liberty Loan, amounting to some $3,000,000,000. Is that a good record for this Government, and is this a good time in which to further strain the credit of the country, -and to incur this enormous obligation, of, as I have said, in the vicinity of half a billion dollars?


William Thomas White: How would my hon. friend suggest tnat we should escape *the financial liability and the necessity for providing a large sum of money, if we expropriated the system? If we expropriated the system, should we not have to pay a very much larger sum of money than by

acquiring the stock and running the road at the present time?


William Pugsley: Not at all.


William Thomas White: My hon. friend wants us to expropriate it.


William Pugsley: If we expropriate and the Government only has to pay $300,000,000 for this property, which I believe is all the Exchequer Court would fix as the value, surely it would be better to do so and wipe off all the liabilities.	.


William Thomas White: When?


William Pugsley: At once.


William Thomas White: I do not follow that.


William Pugsley: It would not mean paying $300,000,000, because there are $104,000,000 of obligations running for a long time, guaranteed by this Government, for which we would not have to pay the cash. There are $107,000,000 guaranteed by the provinces of Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia, which we would not have to pay provided we were prepared to guarantee those provinces 'against any liability in respect of bonds.


William Thomas White: We know that those securities are in the handg of investors, and not in the hands of the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are outstanding. The hon. gentleman suggests that we expropriate this property, pay $300,000,000, and pay off all the liabilities which would then become due. The way we are suggesting is to acquire the stock and allow the securities which are outstanding to remain outstanding and the matter will be financed in that way. If my hon. friend's point is that it is difficult to raise money now, he must realize our difficulties would be treble what they are at present if we had to expropriate and find $300,000,000.


William Pugsley: The position of the Minister of Finance is that of a desperate debtor, who is willing to>
p-ay double the value of a property in order to get extended credit -who is willing to pay $500,000,000 to-day for a property that I do not believe the Exchequer Court would value at a figure upwards of $300,000,000.


Mr. CURRIE:: The hon. gentleman from St. John (Mr. Pugsley) suggests taking over this property at $300,000,000. If we took it over at that figure, we could not get the money at less than six per cent, which
would be $18,000,000 a year. As it stands now the security of the company will average about three and a half per cent on $400,000,000. The reason that these securities are only worth half their face value today-


William Pugsley: Is the hon. gentleman asking a question, or making a speech?


John Allister Currie: I am asking a question.


William Pugsley: I will be glad to answer any question, but if the hon. gentleman wants to make a speech, he can do that later.


John Allister Currie: The hon. gentleman has made two or three speeches on every subject this session, except where the rules of the House won't let him, and where the rules won't permit him to make a speech he generally interrupts during the speeches of everybody else.


William Pugsley: It is particularly trying to my hon. friend, who speaks so little and is so very free in his remarks, to have to wait till I get through, having made up his mind he ought to speak on this question.


John Allister Currie: I thought the hon. gentleman had given me his place.


William Pugsley: I am not through yet. I did not say that we would pay $300,000,000 for the property by expropriation, but what I say is that, having reference to the system, to the mileage, the mode in which it has been constructed, and the report of these commissioners, I doubt very much whether the Exchequer Court will allow more than $300,000,000, for this entire property.
When you consider the valuation put upon the property of the Canadian Pacific and the superiority of its construction over that of the Canadian Northern, you realize that the Exchequer Court would hardly value the Canadian Northern property at upwards of $300,000,000. But the Minister of Finance says: Even though the property may be worth only $300,000,000; even though there are $147,000,000 of unguaranteed debentures outstanding which in the markets of the world are not worth more than fifty or sixty cents on the dollar, these bonds have quite a long time to run and it is better for us to buy than to be obliged to pay cash foT the property. I was pointing out, when my hon. friend interrupted me, that in all probability, no cash would have to be paid so far as the securities guaranteed by the Dominion or the provinces are concerned,

they are called upon to pay, of about $2,000,000. We ought to have much stronger evidence than merely the verbal statement of Messrs Mackenzie and Mann as to the equipment and betterments required in the near future in order to convince the committee that it is necessary to assume this great obligation. The minister stated I think in 1916 that the Canadian Northern during the preceding year had carried at least 40 per cent of the entire grain of the Northwest. If they were able to do that a year ago, what is to hinder them, with their present rolling stock and equipment, from handling the grain business otf the West fairly well during the coming year? Nothing that I can see. I am told that the Canadian Northern has given a very satis-faetbry service in the West, and there are many parts of this country where the service given by the railroads is not at all as satisfactory to the people who ought to be served by those roads as the service given by the Canadian Northern and the various branches of the system in the section of the country through which it runs. As long ago as the year 1911, the Prime Minister authorized Mr. Fowler, who has until lately represented the constituency of Kings and Alibert, and who is now a member of the Senate, to declare to the people of New Brunswick in effect that if the Conservative party came into power, it would take hold of all the branch lines of the Intercolonial and make them a part of the Intercolonial system.
That message was communicated to the people of New Brunswick, who were deeply interested in this question of railway accommodation, and no doubt it had considerable effect upon the people, because they relied on the statements which were made. Yet from that day to this, with only two exceptions, the people have seen those promises, unfulfilled; they have seen nothing done to ensure better accommodation for the people of the province so far as the branch lines, connecting with the Intercolonial are concerned. What am I to say to these people, and what are the representatives of that province to say to them, when this enormous liability is imposed upon the country?-a burden which they are to bear in common with the rest of the people. They will say: Before incurring these new obligations the Government ought to carry out the pledges which they have made to the people of a section of Canada which is not less important than the sections of the country through which the Canadian Northern system runs.

Just a word with regard to what my hon. friend says as to the fact that now is the best time to buy the railroad because the securities were floated at a low rate of interest. All other things being equal, that might be so, but I would point my hon. friend to the remark which he made in 1916 when it was proposed to lend to the Canadian Northern the sum of $15,000,000. My hon. friend then referred to the facts that in this war, which had been going on much longer than was ever anticipated, Canada had been obliged to borrow large sums of money, and that our expenditure was running up to about $900,000 per day. He said that that was not the time to engage upon new liabilities. I ask him to remember that statement to-day. Surely the time is no more opportune to-day than it was a year ago. I think that the people of this country will regard this proposal as a most improvident one. There may be a question whether any time it would be desirable to enter upon the system of government ownership; but this is not the occasion when the country should be committed to an obligation so vast in its character and so uncertain in its results as this proposal involves, nor is this the mode in which so great a change should be presented.


Robert Laird Borden: My hon. friend has been engaged for about an hour and a half in showing that he did not know what he was talking about in 1914 and 1916. He distinctly advocated on three or four occasions in 1914 the acquisition of the stock of the Cauadian Northern railway by arbitration, and in no ether way. He is proceeding to demonstrate now, to his own satisfaction if not to the satisfaction of any one else, that to acquire that stock by arbitration is a most improvident method, and absolutely against the best interests of the people of this country. He has told us that arbitration was discarded forty or fifty years ago. Might I ask him, then, why he advocated it in 1914 and in 1916 for this very purpose? Were those considerations which he has so eloquently expressed at very great length this evening entirely absent from his mind on that occasion? What is the reason that he regarded the proposal to acquire the stock by arbitration as an eminently wise and reasonable one in 1914 and again in 1916, and that he spends an hour and a half this evening in demonstrating that any such proposal is absolutely absurd and entirely opposed to the public interest? My hon.

friend has taken a long time to explain himself, and I think he will require a much longer time before he convinces the committee that there is really anything in his explanation.
Then he says that the mere suggestion of arbitration puts a value upon the stock. He did much more than that in 1914, when he suggested a value of $30,000,000 for the stock. We have done no such thing on this occasion. We have simply left it to the arbitrators to determine what the value of the stock is. If they consider it of no value, they will find accordingly; if they *consider it of some value, they will find accordingly. We do not suggest to the arbitrators, as he proposed to do, and did do in 1914, that the stock might have a maximum value of $30,000,000.
Then he says that a proposal of this kind gives value to the unguaranteed bonds. If the value is affected by this proposal did not his proposal of 1914 and of 1916 effect precisely the same purpose? What is the distinction which the hon. gentleman draws in his own favour between a proposal to acquire by arbitration the stock of this railway at a maximum value of $30,000,000, and a proposal to acquire $60,000,000 now without suggesting any such value as he then named? I am bound to say that I have followed the hon. gentleman with a great deal of attention, and I still adhere to the opinion I expressed a little while .ago, that it will be necessary for him to occupy the time of this committee and of this House at ,a very much greater length than he has done this evening if he wishes to make us understand the supposed distinction between the arbitration which he proposed in 1914, and the proposal which the Government makes at this time.
As far as the additional cost of completing the road, is concerned, and as far as the liabilities outstanding against the road are concerned, it must be perfectly obvious to any one that the arbitrators, when they come to determine the value of the stock, will have to take into account those considerations, and therefore it seems to me that he is merely wasting the time of the committee when he dwells at great length upon such matters. He started out with a proposal respecting the land bonds. Up to the present I am not at all clear as to what he means. The proceeds, of the land bonds went into the construction of this road, and therefore they are properly to be taken into account, I suppose, as part of the cost of this road. Does he suggest,
as I inquired before-although I have not obtained any -satisfactory answer-that that part of the cost of the road should be omitted? If he -agrees that it should not be omitted, iwhy does he suggest that the land against which these bonds were issued *should be eliminated from the assets of this system?


William Pugsley: What I say is this. The investor who put his money in those bonds had nothing to do with what was done with the proceeds. The investor lent his money on the security of the land. I would eliminate both. I would neither assume the liability nor take the land.


Robert Laird Borden: That is a most extraordinary proposition. The proceeds of these bonds have gone into the construction of the road. If there had not been any lien to secure them at all how could you omit them from the cost of the road? The money was spent, and is represented in the road today. What he suggests, if he suggests anything at all, is that we should omit from the assets of this system, the land upon which those bonds are secured. Surely he must realize upon reflection that that is not a suggestion which is in the interests of the people of this country. Further than that, so far as all these assets and liabilities are concerned, they must be taken into account by the arbitrators when they come to determine the value of the stock, if it has any value. Therefore all the argument which my hon. friend has poured forth in such volume to the committee this evening does not seem to have any relevancy to the debate at all. The money went into the road, and therefore must be taken into account. Why, in the name of all that is reasonable, should we omit the -land upon which that money was raised?
I must confess, although I followed my hon. friend with the greatest possible attention, that I am utterly unable to see any common sense-if I may be permitted to say so without any desire to be offensive 

in the suggestion he made.
However, it is perfectly obvious that we cannot get the resolution through to-night. My hon. friend will have an opportunity of making any further explanation that he desires to-morrow, and I shall move now that the committee rise, report progress, and ask leave to sit again.


William Manley German: There is a provision for default in the statute of 1914, section 21. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if the Canadian Northern has made default and if the penalty provided by

subsection (a) of section 21 of the statute of 1914, under the provisions of the new trust deed, has been exacted. I would ask the minister if he would produce the trust deed.


William Thomas White: Yes.


William Manley German: Has there been any default under the provisions of- that trust deed.


William Thomas White: The Canadian Northern has not, so far as I am aware, defaulted on any of its securities. But
my hon. friend knows that financial aid is required, and will be required each year, to prevent default. We will be glad to bring down a copy of the trust mortgage, which was executed in 1914-and which I think has been laid on the Table once or twice during the last two years-and any other information that my hon. friends desire.
Progress reported.
On motion of Sir Robert Borden, the House adjourned at 11.30 p.m.



SEVENTH SESSION-TWELFTH PARLIAMENT, 1917

[Stage Direction]
Abbreviations.-lr., 2r.,	3r-first, second, or third reading. Arndt. = Amendment. Corn-
Committee. don. = Consideration. . Div-Division.	M-Motion. Ref-
Reference. Rep-Report. Res-Resolution. Sec-.Section.
Abbotsford postmaster, 608 Achim, Mr. Honore (Labelle)
Military Service Bill, 2873 Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 9, 47, 83, 119, 160, 195, 249 Address to His Majesty the King. See Parliament: Extension of term of Adjournment moved to discuss matter of urgent public importance Mr. Pardee, returned soldiers, 459 Mr. Lemieux, liquor in military camps, 806 Mr. Kyte, price of flour, 1039 Mr. Devlin, conservation of grain, 1176 Mr. Macdonald, German submarines, 1320 Mr. Oliver, removal of rails, 1820 Mr. Turriff, farm labour, 3504 Mr. Macdonald, munitions, 5517 Adulteration of food. See Food Advertising, government
Department of the Secretary of State, 656 Recruiting, 986, 3136 Aeroplane. See Air service and Aviation Aetna Explosives Company, 4508 Agriculture Animals
Health of, 2271
Loaning of to farmers, 4152	-
Pure bred, purchase of, 2276 See, under this head, Live stock.
Apples, embargo on export of, 5776 Associations, 2276 Beans for seed, 671, 1473 Bulletins, 2062, 2274 Butter
Imports and exports of, 1573 Purchases by British Government, 899 Cattle. See, under this head, Live stock Cheese
Imports and exports of, 1573 Manufacturing and curing of, 2265 Purchase of by British Government, 1774, 1863, 1971, 2197, 2257, 2265, 2267, 2557 See also Food
Agriculture-Ccn.
Dairy industry, 953, 2075, 2256 Department
Estimates, 654, 2062, 2255, 2924, 3744, 4677 French-speaking employees of, 2262, 2265 Publications 2062, 2274 Staff and salaries, 4924 Development of, 2578 Exhibitions, 2260, 22701 Experimental farms, 2055, 2063, 4682 Hay-
Embargo on, 1222 Imports and exports of, 1574 Inspection and- grading of, 3402 Purchases of by British Government, _	5086
Hogs
Inspection of, 2271 Cholera, 2273 Insect pests, 2066, 2075 Labourers. See Labour
Horses, compensation for destruction of,
Live stock
British embargo on, 918, 987, 1535 Pure bred, purchase of, 2276 Shipments, inspection of, 1841 See also Live stock and Produce Bill Noxious weeds, 2068 Parcel post shipments, 2072 Plant diseases'	,
Rust in wheat, 2063, 2067 Powdery scab in potatoes, 2269, 5991 Potatoes
Accumulation of on railways, 607 Duty, proposed removal, 703, 5274, 5777, 5982
Exports and imports of, 2267, 5982 Powdery scab, 2269, 5991 Prices and supply- of, 936, 1087, 1189, 1437, 2095
Seed, 1473
Straw, utilization of, 4683 Veterinary Director General, 987 See also Cold storage, and Food
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Petewawa land claims, 5241 Training, in Canada, 899 Canteen system in England, 718 Casualties
June 30, 1916, to June 5, 1917, 2201 June, 1917, 3719 July, 1917, 4151 August 16-31, 1917, 5901 Civil servants, in, pay and allowance to, 663, 713
Classifications, 2185 Commissions, granting of, 203, 207 Conscription. See Military service Demobilization plans, 3118 Dental Service, 31 Officers, 1574, 4009 Desertions, 338, 3111 Discharge
Purchase of. 3111 Regulations governing, 3096, 3098 Table of, 3096 Total to June 30. 1917, 4152 Work pay, on, 457 Divisions, 459, 2186 Enlistment
Aliens, of, 4413, 4415. See below Persons of foreign birth British army, in, 385 Civil Service, from. See Civil Service Different units, in, 29, 245 Farmers, of, 4685 Figures
April 30, 1917, to, 1572 June 30, 1917, to, 4152 July, 1917, 4151
Generally, 2411, 2442, 2446-2451, 2454, 2463-2478, 2573, 2583, 2600, 2624, 2631, 2647, 2855, 2884, 2904.
Moosejaw, at, 5122 Non-residents, of, 1476 Persons of foreign birth, 3356, 3759. See above. Aliens Provinces, by, 216, 221 Unfit men, of, 697, 3099, 3107, 4003 Urban and rural, 3135 Western provinces, from, 4685 Equipment, 23. See also War supplies Expeditionary force Command of, 28, 268
Conditions governing in respect of British Government, 1576 Control of by Canada, 20, 39 Disposition of, 268, 1816, 2356 Holiday for, proposed, 5902, 6065 Status of, 259
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Non-commisisoned officers, 1608 Officers
Alleged surplus of, 3102 Appointments, charges regarding, 98 Mentioned in despatches, 4062 Pay of, 1628, 1673, 5773 Reversion in ranks, 3997, 57-73 Retention of on leave. 5902 Salutes to, 5424 Unemployed, 560, 3102 Wives of, passports for, 3996 For individual officers see their names Overseas Department
Officers employed by, 6069 See also under this head Expeditionary force
Pay and Records office, staff of, 3104 Pensions. See that title Recruiting
Advertising in connection with, 986, 3136 Civil Service, from. See that title Correspondence between Prime Minister and ex-minister of Militia, 2446, 3086 Expenses, 1959 Folkstone Director of, 1226 Forestry battalions, for, 5703 Generally, 51, 69, 86, 98, 101, 269, 559, 2395, 3371
Irish, Mr. Mark, statements of, 2707 Medical examination of recruits, 3098, 3963, 3967
National service proposals, 360 Officers
Bonaventure county, 1675 Cape Breton, 5361 Quebec, 3135 Rimouski, 456
Orders in Council respecting, 2482 Provinces, by, 2511. See also under titles of Provinces
Retarding of, alleged, 3086, 3110 Statement by Prime Minister, 194 System of, 360, 372 United States
British subjects in, 2482 Canadians in, 3758, 3759, 3904, 4466 Regiments 104th, 1570 165th, 1725
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Certificates to, 6423 Disposition of, 3099 Rum, issues of, 535, 536 Soldiers
Age of on enlisting, 3577, 3993, 4001 Attendance of at political meetings, 4338, 5231
Deceased, estates of, 3805
See also Soldier Settlement Board
Employment of on farms, 1677
Former occupation of, 4685
Graves of, 1534
Leave of absence, 4005, 4055
Life insurance of, 3557, 3589
Mail matter for, 1263, 3644
5ay
Assigned, 383
Increases in, proposed, 2603, 5223 Promotion, in cases of, 5423, 5773 Working, 457
Personal requests concerning, 4203 Public meetings, attendance of at, 4338, 5231
Returned
Badges for, 5953 Care of, 10, 67, 587, 1586, 1594 Committee on, 459, 524, 756 Employment of, 3846
Camp Kapuskasing at, 5422 Government service in, 491, 1127, 1850, 1858, 1884, 6054 Pensions, scale of, 1594 See also Soldier Settlement Board and Pensions
Reversions in rank; pay in such cases, 5423
Voting of, 87, 223, 452, 1383, 2403, 2557, 2651, 2850, 3727, 4406, 4688, 4693, 4740, 4792, 4874,	5195. See also Military
Voters Bill and War-time Elections Bill
Widows of, 3805 Working pay, cessation of, 457 For individual soldiers see their names Soldier Settlement Board. See that title Substitutes, buying of, 3113 Troops
Alleged stoning of, 803, 2756 Despatch of to the front, 574 Local, supplies for
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Certificates to, 5423 Utilization of, 3099
Veterans. See Army and Navy Veterans Incorporation Bill W7ork pay, cessation of, 457
See also Military Service and War Army Act. See Military Service Bill Army and Navy Veterans of Canada Incorporation Bill, lr., 5421.	2r., 5541.	3r.,
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound)
Army
Officers, surplus of, 3103 Pensions, 3218 Rejected men, 3101
Soldiers, voting of, 4716, 4761, 4777, 4813, 4825, 4895
Immigration from the United States, 1750 Military Service Bill, 2654 Soldiers, attendance of at political meetings, 4338, 5231
Arthurs, Lieut.-Col. James, position and pay of, 5914
Ashcroft-Fort George mail service, 668 Assyrians, franchise rights under War-time Elections Bill, 5421 Astronomical Surveys, 4917 Athletic Associations, incorporation of, 5922 Atholstan, Lord, dynamite plot against, 5360 Atlantic mail service, 452 Atlantic Patrol Service. See Naval Service Auditor General Office of, 1791 Report of, 1469
Austro-Germans in western provinces, 1265 Aviation
Canadian fund, 5362 Corps, enlistment in, 1886 See Air Service
Babtie, Dr., report of. See Canadian Army Medical Service
Baddeck mail contract, 1819 Bags, duty on. See Customs Balfour, Rt. Hon. Arthur J.
Announcement of visit of, 613, 1724 Reception to, 1766 Speech ofT 1767 Bank Act Amendment Bills
1.	Bill No. 46, Mr. L. A. Lapointe, lr., 1037
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3 Bill No. 65, Sir Thomas White,-loans on farmers' live stock. Res., 1960; lr., 1971; 2r., (referred to Banking and Commerce Committee), 2149 Bank of Commerce, Canadian, 4686 Banks and banking Savings deposits, 4685 Unclaimed bank balances, 1001 Barnard, Mr. Geo. H. (Victoria, B.C.)
Judges' salaries, 1976 Railway Act, The, 3529 Barrette, Mr. Joseph A. (Berthler)
Gauthier, Mr. L. J., denial of statements of, 2570
Halifax Chronicle, statement in, 3352 Military Service Bill, 2521 Amendment proposed, 2524 Opposition to compulsory service, 2522 Referendum proposals, 2523 Bartlett, Major, position of, 4292, 4416, 5422 Bathurst harbour improvements, 3872 Baugh, Edward Levi Defalcations of, 1470 Release of, 2481
Baxter, Leslie E., employment of, 3418 Bawdy houses. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Bay State Fish Company, 2321 Beans. See Agriculture.
Bear River, N.S.
Indian agents, 1569 Post office site, 1378, 1569 Beland, Hon. H. S., M.P., detention of in Germany, 311, 341, 524
Belford, Major J. F., position of, 5703 Bell, Mr. Graham, pay of, 1129 Bell, steamer, 1377.
Bell Telephone Company, 3548
Bell Telephone Memorial Association, 5780
Bellemare, Mr. A. (MaskinongO)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 294
Military service, 294, 2823, 3573 Bennett, Mr. R. B. (Calgary)
Bishop of Mackenzie River, 868 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4566, 4627-4638, 5149 Civil Service salaries, 2248 Companies, incorporation of, 5924-5942 Government railways, rolling stock, 4931 Gwatkin, General, '4428
Bennett, Mr. R. B.-Con.
Intercolonial railway Operation of, 786
Reply to Mr. Graham's statement, 805 Intoxicating liquors, prohibition of, 4402 Legislators, free transportation for, 4936 Live stock exchanges, 5506, 5509 MeLeod-Tellier Commission, 5252, 5259 Military Service Bill, 4664 Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 4669, 4672
Overseas Military Forces, minister of, 4428
Pensions, 6023
Railways
Material for France, 1830 Private cars, 4937 Transportation for legislators,-4936 Soldiers, voting of, 1403, 4902 War-time Elections Bill, 5614 Woman suffrage, 1510 Bennett, Mr. W. H. (East Simcoe)
Flour, price of, 1048 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5499, 5904 Insurance Act amendment, 1037, 1157, 1524, 1568
National Transcontinental Railway-solicitor's fees, 454	*
War-time Elections Bill, 5681, 5870 Berlinguet, Thomas F. X., employment of, 1381
Bernard, Lieut.-Col. E. S., position of, 5703 Best, Mr. John A. (Dufferin)
Rankin, Captain Ramsay, 987 Troops, alleged stoning of, 803 Bickerdike, Mr. Robert (Montreal, St. Lawrence)
Capital punishment	'
Abolition of, 46, 325, 617, 1028 Proposed plebiscite, 1016 Russia, in, 1012
Spain case, the, 1018 Women and children, 1017, 1150 Cattle, British embargo on, 920 Dubreuil, Mr., dismissal of, 3635 Prisoners, proposed enlistment of, 1012, 1015
War-time Elections Bill, 5600 Bigamy. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills
Bigras, Gedeon, dynamite plot against, 5360 Bills. See their titles Binder twine, 3233.
Blain, Lieut. Roswell, position of, 4245 Blain, Mr. Richard (Peel)
Army
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Galt, Mr. Justice, investigation into report of, 2056
Gauthier, Mr. L. J., denial of statements
of, 2570
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5903 High Commissioner, Canadian, offic«of,4177 Hospitals, military, 464 House of Commons Business of the House
Morning sittings, 2619, 2775, 2833 Saturday sittings, 324, 2569 Wednesday sittings, 324 Mace, new, 1468 Members, tributes to deceased, 3 Officials
Appointments, 586
Clerk of the House, retirement of, 6069 Sergeant-at-arms, death of, 6069 Imperial Munitions Board, labour, 1986 Imperial War Cabinet and Imperial War Conference
Adjournment of House for, 117, 597, 603 Announcement re meeting of, 42 Correspondence respecting, 5, 24 Proceedings, 1525
Cattle embargo, 1535 Dominions overseas, constitutional relations of, 1528, 1531 Development and control of natural resources, 1532 France, visit to, 1536 Imperial preference, 1532 India, representation of, 1534 Minutes of, 2354 Soldiers' graves, 1534 Statements by British Prime Minister, 2354
Judges' salaries, 5955 Labour bureaus, establishment of, 118 Lake of the Woods water level, 2775 Landry, Mr. Justice, finding of, 3110, 3615 Lessard, General, 364 Mace, vote of thanks to donors of, 1468. Members of Parliament, tributes to deceased, 3
Military Service Bill Introduction, 1542, 2184 Amendment of Mr. Copp, 3078 Appeals, 2191, 3178 Army Act, regulations of, 3114 Available men, 2390 Board of Selection, 5083 Canada's position in the war, 2184 Contraventions of Act, 3342-3351, 3361, 3588
Exemptions, 3208, 3363, 6068 Exceptions, 3559
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Boulay, Mr. Hermenegilde (Rimouski) Agriculture Department, French-speaking employes of, 2262, 2265 Army Medical Service, 3989 Bright, the late John, 987 Budget, 1085 Free wheat, 1085
Behaviour of soldiers passing through Quebec, 1086
Necessity for co-operation with the Government, 1087 Civil Service
Employment of men in higher offices, 1256
French-speaking employees, 2262, 2265, 2340, 2759 Salaries, 2239, 2251 Government railways Accidents, 1376
Operation and management of, 3389 Removal of obstructions, 595 Rolling stock, 594 St. Fabien crossing, 2226, 3389 Government Railways Act amendment, 4373, 4382
Interior Department, French-speaking employees, 2340 Mail service, 3640
McWilliams, Mr., dismissal of, 2167 Military Service Bill Authority of Parliament, 2761 Classes, 3353 Exceptions, 3571 Exemptions, 3190, 3306 Quebec, position of, 2754 National Transcontinental Railway Express service, 595
Fitzpatrick yard and engineer's residence, 455, 456 Telegraph line, 456 Ottawa Citizen, statement of, 2776 Parliament buildings, destruction of-indemnities for losses, 4413 Pension Commissioner's staff, 608 Quebec
Recruiting in, 2754
Troops passing through, insults to, 2756 Railway Act, The, 3435, 3511
Boulay, Mr. Hermenegilde-Con.
Rimouski
Government employees, 2165 Recruiting officers, 456 St. Lawrence signal and telegraph service, 1471
Scientific and industrial research, 3957 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1145
South African war, 2200 Steamship services, 2323 Technical education, 1249 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5384 Troops, alleged insults to, 2756 Veterinary Director General, 987 Bourassa, Mr. J. Boutin (LOvis)
Gravel, Lieut. Cede on, 1674 Gravelle, Oscar, 1226 Levis railway station, 1129 Military Service Bill, 3069, 3147 St. Romuald public works, 1129 Boy Scouts Association, 2062, 3740 Boyce, Mr. Arthur C. (West Algoma) Military Service, 3147 Boyce, George H., position of, 1472 Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil)
Butter and cheese purchases, 899 Maple sugar-adulteration, 1958 Military service, 2931 Boys, Mr. W. A. (South Simcoe)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 90
Patriotism of Canadian women, 90 Simcoe county and the 'war, 90 Loyal Orange Order, 91 The Dorchester election, 92 National service, 93 Recruiting in Quebec, 94 Bradbury, Mr. George H. (Selkirk)
Army canteens, 811 Army and navy veterans, 5910 Capital punishment, 634 Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3799 Military service, 3190 United Grain Growers, Limited, 893 War affairs, Government administration of, 3383
Brampton-Palestine mail route, 590 Bran. See Grain Brantford moulders' strike, 2322 Breadner, Mr. R. W., position of, 3676 Bright, the late John, 987 Brindle, Mr. William, dismissal of, 3758 British Admiralty, recruiting in Canada for, 4159, 4163
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British Government ant) Canadian Pacific Railway Financial Arrangements Bill,
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British Government, war supplies, purchases of in Canada, 4953, 5517, 5541 Bromptonville postmaster, 1129.
Brouillard, Mr. Ovide (Drummond and Arthabaska)
/Etna Explosives Company, 4508 Military service, 3072
Bruce, Dr., investigations of. See Canadian Army Medical Service Buchanan, Mr. W. A. (Medicine Hat)
Army allowances, subsistence, 5915 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5178	.
Coal mining, western, 119, 458, 523, 1266, 1372, 1616, 1723, 1725, 2526, 2570, 2653 Coutts quarantine reserve, 590 Economic and Development Commission, 1125
Farm labour, 3507 Fuel, 1414	'
Grain
Commission, 3711 Elevators, 986 Seed, advances for, 303, 305 Home guard duty, 336
Hudson's Bay Company lands, taxation of, 986
Hyde, Mr. J. W., 301 Indian reserves, 989, 2389 Judgments, uniform interest on, 900 Letter carriers' salaries, 1474 Medicine Hat military reserve, 301 Military service, 2600 Exemptions, 2607 Referendum proposals, 2607 Taxation of wealth, 2608 Mounted Police pensions, 5701 Oil-boring machinery, 301 Proportional representation, 913 School lands, western, 1378 Shaw, Mr. F. D„ dismissal of, 1847 Soldier Settlement Board, 1163 Soldiers, former occupations of, 4685 Taxation
Farm implements, 1686 Hudson's Bay Co. Lands, 986 Income, 1687, 4122 Wealth, 2608
Unclaimed bank balances, 1008 War-time Elections Bill, 5580 Woman suffrage, 1515
Budget debate, 718. Arndts, proposed: Mr. Turriff, 750, 845, 870, 937, 1085, 1089, 1194, 1201, 1267; Mr. Robb, 1317, 1319, 1423; Mr. Oliver, 1424. Mr. Loggie, 1424. See also Taxation.
Bull, Mr. Perkins, position of, 1130	.
Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Berlinguet, Thos. F. X., 1381 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5016, 5168
Industrial requirements, 2696 Inland Revenue Department estimates, 3835
Military service, 2693, 5882 Montreal Gazette, statement of, 2709, 4739 -Public Works Department architect, 5104 Quebec judges' salaries, 5798, 5800
St. Maurice river improvements, 1381 Taxation of incomes, 5886 Three Rivers
Harbour improvements, 3879 Public building, 668	.
War-time Elections Bill, 5667, 5695, 57125771
Burford, recruiting in, 601 Burgess, defalcations of, 1127 Burke, Col. Rev. A. E., position of, 5704 Burnham, Mr. John H. (West Peterborough) Aliens, enlistment of, 4415 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 817 Enlisted men, age of, 3577 Pensions, 1594 Unfit men, 699
Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 6911 Capital punishment, 623 Civil Service, appointments, 2019 Government Railways Act amendment, 4355
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1179 Intoxicating liquors, prohibition of, 4403 Judges' salaries, 1977
Labour-Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1112
Military Service Bill, 2555, 3365 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4204 Patent medicines, war tax on, 363 Shipbuilding, 1932 Soldiers, voting of, 2557 Soldier Settlement Board, 3630 Technical education, 1238 Trent canal wharves, 759 Venereal diseases, 817, 869
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Levis station, 2208 Maritime Express service, 8 Milford ballast pit, 2320 Obstructions, removal of, 1376 Operation of, 759 Passenger service, 2203 Peniac bridge, 2320 Pension fund, 1476 Rails, 1575 Rates, coal, on, 4292 Station accommodation, 2227 Stations, naming of, 3386 Tracadie siding, 2618
See also Government Railways Act Amendment Bill.
Intoxicating liquors, shipment on, 591 Level crossing, Pictou harbour branch, 304 Line improvements, 2204
Military and hospital trains, 2205 National Transcontinental Earnings, 2203
Engineers' residence at Fitzpatrick, 455, 456
Express service, 595 Fitzpatrick yard, 455 Freight rates, 2210, 3394 Operation, 657, 1573, 3411,
Expenses of, 2203 Portneuf claims, 1571
Rails, removal of to France, 1229, 1266, 2225
St. Malo shops, 1128 Salmon river viaduct, 2212 Solicitor's fees, 454 Telegraph line, 456 Ties, purchases of, 455 Traffic, 2209, 2218 Obstructions, removal of, 595 Officials, 657, 3390 Operation of, 2203, 3386 Passenger service, 2207 Prince Edward Island
Car ferry and terminals, 2205 Widening of, 3902, 3945 Quebec railways, 4948, 5452 Rails, 2224
Rolling stock, 594, 4928. See, under this title, Cars
Safety-first inspectors, 337 Ships, Duilding of, for, 4939, 5429 Valley railway, 1380 Working expenses, 3410 See also Government Railways Act Amendment Bill
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Reply to statements of Mr. Edwards, 1430
Canada Temperance Act, 5244 Canadian Government Railways, private cars, 4933
Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 5140
Censors and decoders, 576
Customs Department, motor boats, 3759
Dental officers, 1574
East Bay wharves, 5315, 5317
Flour, price of, 1044
Food products, prices and control of, 1427
Indians-Sydney reserve, 1888
Insurance, 5203
Macdonald, Miss Jessie, 5361
McNeil, Lt. John D., 5272
Military Service, 2854
Nova Scotia steamship service, 2291
Shipbuilding, 1331
Submarine situation, 1329
Taxation
Incomes, 1424 Wealth, 2859
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo Railway, 2613
Carroll, Lieut. W. F., M.P., position and pay Of, 6066
Carson, Major General, position of, 986 Carvell, Mr. Frank B. (Carleton, N.B.) Agricultural instruction, 3755 Army, soldiers
Pay of, on promotion, 5423 Voting of, 4795-4834, 4874-4887, 4889- 4914
Bear river, N.S.
Indian agents, 1569 Wharfinger, 1378 British preference, 1711 Canada Gazette, 3738 Canada Temperance Act, 1263, 3739, 5243 Canadian Government Railways Branch lines, 2230
National Transcontinental, Salmon river viaduct, 2212	.
Promotion of employees, 766 Quebec railways, 5464 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4253, 4266, 5146 Companies, incorporation of, 5928-5942 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4301, 4318
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Members, sessional indemnity of, 5790 Stenographers, 5789 Hudson Bay railway, 2230 Immigration agents, 1737, 1756 Indians,
New Brunswick, 1889 Reserves, cutting timber on, 1SS9 Insurance, 4388, 5202
Maritime Provinces, military affairs, 5226 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5247, 5254 McNeil, F. C., payments to, 1380 Military district No. 6, 5226 Military service, 2J09 Appeals, 3179 Referendum, 2711 Tribunals, 3152, 3161 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3746, 3753 Parliament, railway transportation for members of, 3519 Potatoes, duty on, 5777
Proposed removal, 5274, 5982 Public works expenditure, 5348 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec harbourmaster, 897 Railway employees, payment Of salaries of, 5957, 5997
Railway Act, The, 3422-3453, 3516-3553, 3593, 3717
Ross rifle, 388, 412-434 Rural mail service, 3647 St. John harbour improvements, 5347 Soldiers, votes for, 1404 Sugar, colouring of, 1952 Surveys, 1346 Tariff revision, 1699 'Taxation
Business profits, 1452, 4245 Income, 1452, 1701, 3768, 5884 Telegraph and telephone lines, 3543, 53635404, 5410
Unclaimed bank balances, 1007 Victoria breakwater, 1381 Valley railway, 1380
War Purchasing Commission inquiry re purchases, 340
War-time Elections Bill, 5660, 5676-5699, 5713
West Edmonton forest rangers and homestead inspectors, 1476 104th Regiment, 1570
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Censors and decoders, 576, 3718 Douisburg, at, 4008, 4048 See "The Fiddlers"
Census
Male population of Canada, 2283 Western, 2336 C. E. Tanner, steamer, 5362
Chabot, Mr. John L. (Ottawa)
Civil Service
Appointments, 2020 Salaries, 2251 Military service, 2781
Enlistment in Quebec, 2784
Chabot, Lt.-Col. J. L., M.P., position and pay of, 988
Chairman of Committees. See Deputy Speaker
Charitable and patriotic enterprises, organization and control of, 378, 462
Charlton, Mr. William A. (Norfolk)
Budget, 1304
' Pulp and paper industry, 1304 Chicago drainage canal, 302 Chicoutimi, pure bred animals at, 4152
Chinese Immigration Act Amendment Bill.
lr„ 843.	2r„ com., 2139. Rep., 2149.
3r„ 2285	.
Chisholm, Mr. A. W. (Inverness)
Economic and Development Commission, 2200
Fish and fisheries
Advisory Board, 2151 Dogfish, 2177
Inverness harbour, improvements, 5326 Margaree-harbour improvements, 3867, 5330 National Service, provincial directors of, 2200
Nova Scotia public works, 5319, 5337 Scotch Hill post office, 3649 Steamship service, 2301, 2306 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5371
Cheese. See Agriculture: Dairy Civil Service
Act, administration of, 1791 Appointments
Order in Council, Jan. 1917, under, 3003 Regulations governing, 643 Returned soldiers, 643
See also Army: Soldiers: Returned Section 21, under, 607, 650, 693, 1023, 1391, 1937
Compulsory retirement from, alleged, 2059
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Dismissals, proposed, 3633 Employees, French-speaking, 2262, 2759 Employment of men in higher offices, 1256 Enlistments from, 192, 2014
Pay and separation allowances, 213, 663 Insurance, 3503 Mail carriers. See Post office Promotions, 2010, 2011, 2238, 4666 Salaries, 1791, 2008, 2238, 2946 Enlisted men, of, 1353, 2014, 2252 Proposed increases, 583 See Civil Service Act Amendment Bill. For departments see 'their titles
Civil Service Act Amendment Bill. Res., 2008. lr., 2024.	2r„ 2149. Com., 2238.	3r„
Clark, Mr. Hugh (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for External Affairs) Mounted police, 4668
Clark, Mr. Michael (Red Deer)
Army, canteens, 811 Budget, 736
Problems arising from the wTar, 736 Necessity for economy, 737 Taxation of incomes, 738 Maintenance and extension of our foreign commerce, 739 Free trade, 740
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4867
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1183 Military service, exemptions, 3367 Newspaper articles, correction of, 3617 Parliament, extension of term of, 3492 Political deadlock, rumoured, 1971 Referendum, 2665 Senate, appointments to, 934 Separation allowances, 1191 Soldiers, votes for, 1387 Taxation
Business profits, 737 Income, 738, 4639 Woman suffrage, 1518
Clarke, Mr. W. A. (North Wellington) Military Service Bill, 2861
Clergy as immigration agents, 5361
Clements, Mr. H. S. (Comox-Atlin)
Wharves, construction of, 5318 Cloakey, George, employment of, 1819 Closure. See Speaker, Parliamentary Procedure; Canadian Northern Railway Acquisition Bill
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Coal. See Mines
Coal miners' strikes. See Mines
Coalition government, 2463, 2887, 2901, 3000, 3014, 3023, 3727, 3732 Political deadlock rumoured, 1941 See National government Correspondence between Sir Robert Borden and Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 2692
Cochrane, Hon. Frank (Minister of Railways and Canals)
Canadian Government railways Cars, purchase of, 4928 Coal purchases, 664, 667 Freight rates, 3394 Hudson Bay railway, 5087 Intercolonial Cars, 2227
Construction and betterments, 2224 Management and operation, 776 Officials, appointment of, 658 Passenger service, 2203 Line improvements, 2204 Military and hospital trains, 2205 Rails, 2224
National Transcontinental Freight rates, 2210 Operation, 658 Salmon River viaduct, 2217 Operating expenses, 2203 Prince Edward Island railway terminals and car ferry, 2205 Canals
St. Peter's, 3406 Trent, 2206, 3405 Welland, 2206 Coal
Confiscation of by railways, 584 Shortage, 83 Prices, 666
Government Railways Act Amendment Bill, 3845, 4339, 4365, 4386
Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 684
Quebec railways, 5472
Railway Act, the, 194, 802, 605, 3421, 35113553, 3592-3608, 3716 Railway, situation, inquiry into, 3408 Railways-France, removal of materials to, 311, 1825, 3407
Railways and Canals Department estimates, 657, 2202, 3385, 4925, 4928, 5428 St. John and Quebec Railway Act Amendment Bill, 2433, 3401
Cockshutt, Mr. William F. (Brantford) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 100 The war, 100
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France and the war, 102
President Wilson's peace proposals, 103
Control of foodstuffs, 106
Canada's trade, 108
Army; officers, reversion to ranks of, 4000 Bell Telephone Memorial Association, 5780 Flour, price of, 1065 Military service, 2599, 3233 Labour, 2604 Recruiting, 101 Soldiers' pay, 2603 Taxation
Income, 4077, 4080, 4092 Cold Storage,
Plants
Effect of, upon cost of living, 2027 Government control of, 1628 Proposed nationalization of, 2076 Subsidies for, 2076, 2255, 3744 Lockport Cold Storage Company, 2202 Commerce, Canadian Bank of, 4688 Committees. See House of Commons Companies Act Amendment Bills, Corporations for other purposes than gain, (No. 129, Sir Thomas White) lr„ 5242 General (No. 132, Sir Thomas White), lr., 5880; 2r., 5918; com., 5918; 3r„ 5953 Uniformity (No. 43, Mr. A. K. Maclean), lr„ 843; 2r„ 1151 Compulsory military service,
See Army and Military Service Bill Contract Prices, Bill to prohibit,
See Criminal code amendment Confederation, fiftieth anniversary celebration, 11, 16, 24, 38, 47, 150, 161, 175, 524 Committee Apointed 587
Joint action with Senate, 642 Report, made, 1865; adopted, 2283 Connaught, The late Duchess of Expressions of sympathy on death of, 609 Conscription
Manhood, of, 14, 54, 191, 893, 1586. See Military service
Blondin, Hon. P. E., alleged statement of, 339
Wealth. See Taxation Conservation
Commission, salaries, etc., 3744, 5793 Forestry-poplar trees. 3742 Copp, Mr. A. B. (Westmorland)
Address in reply to the Governor General's speech, 160
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The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 161
National government, 161 Political patronage, 162 Extravagance of present administration, 163
The ex-Minister of Militia, 164 National service, 170 Westmorland county and war profits, 171 Extension of term of Parliament, 172 The Dorchester election, 173 Alleged statement of Mr. Blondin, 173 Budget, 1307
Speech of Sir Sam Hughes, 1307 Winning of the war, 1310 Charges of extravagance against the Government, 1310 High cost of living, 1313 Revenue and expenditure, 1314 Taxation proposals. 1315 Intercolonial railway, operation of, 1313 Canadian Government Railways Construction and betterment, 3387 Intercolonial
Grand Narrows bridge, 2321 - Management and operation, 773 Milford ballast pit, 2320 Peniac bridge, 2320
Government Railways Act Amendment, 4363
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5143
Cape Bald breakwater, 3873 Cost of living, 2005
Customs duties payable by provincial governments, 2135 Dorchester county election, 173 Fisheries officers, 2164
Food products, price and control of, 1313 Government Railways Act Amendment, 4363
Indians, 1892
Inland Revenue Department estimates, 3843
Labour problems, 1173 Migratory birds, 3658 Military Service, 3075 Moncton armoury site, 4787 National service, 170
National Transcontinental Railway, removal of rails, 2225 Patriotic Fund, 3077 Pensions, 6031
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Administration of Labour Department, 1269
The labour situation, 1270 The coal situation, 1275 Food prices, 1273 Coal
Questionnaire concerning, 1996 Sale, regulation of, 1275 Western mining of, 159, 614, 1266, 1372, 1616, 2295, 2570, 2653, 2776 Food
Control of sales and prices, 1273, 1989, 2083
Flour, price of, 1043 High cost of living, 695 Industrial Dicputes Investigation Act, 1112, 1168, 1270
Labour Department
Administration of, 1269 Estimates, 686, 1112, 1166, 1989, 3652 Landry, Mr. Justice, findings of, 5248 Le Canada, correction of statement in, 2571
Military Service, 2483 Referendum, 2487
O'Connor, Mr. W. F., K.C., inquiry and report by, 3652, 3925 Strikes, prevention of, 1270 Technical education, 1236 Thetford mines labour trouble, 1118 War-time Elections Bill, 5867 Yukon, cost of living in, 2199, 2481, 2525
Cruise, Mr. Robert (Dauphin)
Budget, 1432
Taxation of profits, 1432 Government expenditure, 1434 Free wheat, 1435 Proposed Highways Bill, 1435 Manitoba boundaries extension, 1435 Campbell, Duncan J., 758 Chabot, Lt.-Col., 988 Free wheat, 1435
Glen, Col. Joseph, payments to, 1377 Railway Act, The, 3520, 3550 Railway transportation for members of Parliament, 3520 Smith's Falls postmaster, 1570 Taxation of business profits, 1432
Cunningham, Frances Henry, payments to, 1125
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Companies, incorporation of, 5926, 5928 Criminal Code amendments, Jurors, 4299 Dominion Lands Act Amendment, 3801, 3805-3817	,
France, trade relations with, 2310, 2316 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5498, 5905 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company Branch Lines Company, 1375 Imperial Preference, 1584 Loans to farmers, 1965 Marten, Lt. L. A., 5914 Military Service Classes, 3293, 3356
Exemptions, 3221, 3228, 3279, 3304, 3367 General provisions, 3243, 3252 Great Britain, in, 2908 Regulations, 3316
Reinforcements, need of, 2904, 2915 Selective draft, 2916 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3752 Packages, marking of-inspection and sale,-4069
Parliament, printing of, 5949, 5950
Pensions, 6008
Railway Act, The, 3548
Rifles, importations of, 1125
Rural mail carriers, 3643
Shipbuilding, 1584, 5449
Soldiers,
Parcels for, 3644 Returned, 1586 Votes for, 4775, 4832 Widows of, 3805 Steyner public building, 5412 Taxation, proposals of the Government, 2912
Telegraphs and telephones, 3548 War
Canada's part in the, 2906 Prosecution of, 1576	*
War-time Elections Bill, 5762, 5845 Currie, Col. J. A., M.P., military position and pay of, 595
Currie, General, despatch from, 4510 Customs
Bonded goods, shipments of, 1854 Department
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Dismissals, 1844
Estimates, 643, 1843, 1881, 5098, 5777 Motor boats in use by, 3759 Motor car of, 1476 North Sydney officials, 1852 Staff and salaries, 643, 1843, 5908, 5777 See also civil Service
Drawbacks, payments of, 1818 Forms, printing of in French and English, 3133, 3134
Minister of, private car for, 5082 Preventive service, 1881 Revenue cruisers, 1881 Unclaimed goods, disposal of, 3743
Customs Act Amendment Bill
Duties payable on Crown's goods. Res., 1978. lr., 1985.	2r., 2119. Com., 2121.
Rep., 2136.	3r., 2137
Customs Tariff,
Alcohol, proposed free admission for hospital use, 5103 Apples, 1472, 1615 Bags and sacks, 1867 Beans for seed, 671 Bran and middlings, 1867 British preference, proposed Increase, 1776 Crown, goods of the, dutiable. See Customs Act Amendment Bill Farm implements, 1686, 1708 Fertilizer, 1709
Food, proposed additions to the free list, 1776-1790 Gasolene, 1675 Hospital supplies, 5103 Imperial Munitions Board imports, 1978 Provincial governments, duties payable by, See Customs Act Amendment Bills
Dagneau, John F„ position of, 1471 Dairying. See Agriculture Dalhousie, N.B., militia buildings, 454 Danis, Joseph Maximilian, employment of, 2618
Davidson, Mr. Avard L. (Annapolis)
Army, soldiers, voting of, 4709, 4712, 4772 Carroll, Lieut. W. F„ M.P., 6066 Douglas, Captain J. M„ M.P., 6066 Ellis, Captain J. F., M.P.P., 6066 Neely, Captain D. B., M.P., 6066 Nova Scotia public works, 5320 Ralston, Major J. L., M.P.P., 6067 Schaffner, Mr. L. P., dismissal of, 441 Taxation, income, 4136 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5376 War-time Elections Bill, 5733, 5737
Davidson, Hon. Sir Charles, Kt., Commissioner
Payments to, 898 Report of, 249, 524
Davies Company. See Food: Investigation Dawson post office, 4952, 5313 Daylight Saving Bill, lr., 2156; 2r„ 2945, 3677; com., progress reported, 3687 Dean, Lieutenant R. I., position of, 5703 Decoders. See Censors
" Defeat or Victory," book, question as to prohibition of, 1473
Defence of Canada. See Militia and Defence Delisle, Mr. Michel S. (Portneuf) Chicoutimi, pure bred animals at, 4152 Desertions from army, 338 Dillon, Mr. G. A., 4061	.*
Dorchester County Railway, 5361 Fiset, Theophile, 1959 Gazelle, Noel, enlistment of, 337 Grenier, Mr. Armand, 3757 Lacaisse, Mr. Isidore, 5272 Lewis, Mr. J. H., 2944 Military Service Bill, 3064 Transcontinental railway, Portneuf claims, 1571
157th Battalion, 5272
Demers, Mr. M. Joseph (St. John and Iberville)	,
Auditor General's report, 1469 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 5078
Military Service Bill, 2561 Authority of Parliament, 2561.*
Motives of the Government, 2563 Referendum proposals, 2567 Deputy Speaker and Chairman of Committees (Mr. J. H. Rainville)
Address to Mr. Viviani, 1361
Election of, 334
Rulings and statements of
Bills-Sections allowed to stand not discussable, 4752
Censored publications, quotations in Parliament from, 5493 Irrelevancy, 2362, 2374, 5235, 5237 Money vote, how amendable, 521 Ways and means, second amendment to motion for, 1319
Descarries, Mr. Joseph A. (Jacques Cartier) Address in reply to the Governor General's speech, 12
Tributes to deceased members, 13 The Allies' part in the war, 14 Conscription, 14
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Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bills
General (No. 107, Mr. Roche), lr„ 2832. 2r., 3793. Com., 3793
Patents (No. 12, Mr. McCraney), lr., 159. Withdrawn, 1157 Dominion Lands and Parks
Animals in, 1359 Estimates, 1344, 4917 Forest reserves, 1349 Officials, 1675 See Parks
Dominions, overseas, constitutional relations of, 1528, 1531
Dominions Royal Commission, 599, 2338 Donaldson, Mr. Samuel J. (Prince Albert) Army camps, sale of liquor in, 816 Dorchester county election, 92. Ill, 120, 146, 173, 208, 255, 293 Dorchester County Railway, 5361 Dorchester, N.B.
Penitentiary. See Penitentiaries Wharf, 3874
Douglas, Mr. James M. (Strathcona)
Apples, duty on, 1472, 1715
Army, forestry battalions. 3950
Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3805
Flour, price of, 5211
Gasolene, duty on, 1675
Grain
Elevators, 3705 Wheat, fixing of price of, 3705 Military Service Bill, 3051 '
Patriotic Fund allowances, 3952 Tariff revision, 1714 War-time Elections Bill, 5604 Douglas, Captain J. M., position of, 6066 Drake, steamship, duty on cargo of, 4245 Dredging. See Public Works Dropped order. See Parliamentary Procedure Drummond, T. J., steamer, 669, 4925, 4939 Dry Dock Subsidies Act Amendment Bill. Res., 4455. lr., 5771.	2r„ 5887. Com.,
5915. 3r„ 5918
Dubreuil, Mr., dismissal of. 3635 Dussault, Mr. Albert, employment of, 457 Dynamite outrages
Arrests in Montreal, 5423 Atholstan, Lord, 5423 Bigras, GedSon, 5360 East Bay wharves, 5315	x
Eaton, Ernest, enlistment of, 3419
Economic and Development Commission,'
1125, 2200, 5792
Edmonton, enlistments, 336. 3373 Edmonton, Dunvegan and British Columbia Railway, subsidy to, 4925 Edson, Alta., population of, 1816 Edward VII, monument to His late Majesty, 3897
Edwards, Mr. J. W. (Frontenac)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 204 The war, 204
Political patronage in purchase of war supplies, 205
Patriotic Fund separation allowances, 207
Military appointments, 207 Maritime Province elections, 207 The Dorchester compaign, 208 Recruiting in Quebec. 213, 221 Statements of the leader of the Opposition, 218, 220
Naval policy of Liberal party, 219 Extension of term of Parliament-votes for soldiers, 223	*
National ideals, 224 Bran and shorts, duty on, 1875 Budget, 1209
The record of the Liberal party, 1209 Canada's trade, 1211 Free wheat, 1212 Vessels for carrying flour, 1213 Free trade, 1214 Scarcity of food, 1216 Improvement of highways, 1217 The leader of the Opposition, 1219 Proposed general election, 1220 Cattle, British embargo on, 922 Censorship, 5943 Doi'chester county election, 208 Experimental farms, 2055 Food, scarcity of, 712, 1216 Free wheat, 1212 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5500 High cost of living, 712, 1216 Highways, improvement of, 1217 Home defence recruiting officers, 3134 Horses, glandered, 2056 House of Commons stenographers, 5789 Immigration agents, 4914, 5361 Judges' salaries, 5799. See, tinder this head, Supreme Court Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 2619 Mail clerks, French-speaking, 5272 Military districts Nos. 3 and 10, 455 Military service, 2715, 3221 National service cards, 667, 713
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Parcel post service, 3634 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4211, 4214 Party records, 2373 Patriotic Fund, 207, 595, 3951 Penitentiaries Portsmouth, 3418 Report of inspector of, 3419 Salaries of officials, 6033 Pensions, 6012
Post office signs-language in which written, 5999 Potatoes, 5987 Pugsley, Lieut. J. A., 4895 Quebec and military service, 2719-2728 Recruiting, 213, 221, 569 Rural mail routes, 1959 Shipbuilding, 1213, 1670 Soldiers
Pay and pensions of, 3216, 6012 Voting of, 223, 4807, 4895 Storage elevators, 2099 Supreme Court-allowance to Chief Justice, 6049
Taxation of wealth, 2728 Unclaimed bank balances, 1010 Votes for soldiers, 223, 4807 War-time Elections Bill. 5570, 5678, 5742, 5873
Eggs, imports and exports of, 1573 Elaine, steamer, 1379 Elevators. See Grain.
Ellis, Captain J. F., position and pay of, 6066 Elrose, Sask., mail service, 899.
Elliot, Mr. George A. (North Middlesex) Soldiers, votes for, 1387 Emigration
Restrictions on Canadians of military age, 1726, 1775
United States, to, 987, 3285 See also Immigration Esquimalt dock yards, 5915 Estevan, Canadian Government Steamship, purchase of provisions for, 4923 Estimates. See titles of Departments and subjects
Ethier, Mr. J. A. C. (Two Mountains) Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5019, 5112
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Excise. See Inland Revenue Expeditionary force. See Army Experimental farms. See Agriculture.
Faguy, Gaudiose. dismissal of, 2284 False Creek dredging, 900, 1126 Farm labour. See Labour Farmers
Employment of soldiers by, 1677 Loans to. See Bank Act Amendment Bill Western, relief for. See Grain Farmers Bank
Depositors, proposed reimbursement of, 4508
Shareholders of, 301
Farming industry, development of, 1776, 1786.
See also Agriculture Fiddlers See " The Fiddlers"
Finance
Debt of Canada, 347 Department
Estimates, 578, 1790, 6289 Staff and salaries, 1796, 5289 Gold, handling of, 1796
Income and expenditure of Canada, 274, 718, 723, 745, 846
Interest. See Interest Act Amendment Bill Loans
Dominion, $100,000,000
Cost of issue, 342, 435, 4957 Proceeds from, 4416, 4621. See Public Service Loan Bill
Farmers, to. See Bank Act Amendment Bills
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway, 5292 Quebec harbour. See that title Fiset, Theophile, payments to, 1959 Fish and fisheries
Advisory Board, 2151 Bait, 2036
Bounties to fishermen, 457 Canneries
Licenses for operation of, 3399 See Meat and Canned Foods Act Amendment Bill and Fisheries Act Amendment Bill
Committee on supply of, 3400 Department
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Inspection, 2035 Inspector Fisher, 2170 Investigation of problems, 5288 Laws, violation of, 2389 Licenses, 2051, 2182 Lobsters, 2049, 2117, 2154, 4171, 5425 Marketing, 2037, 2042 Ministry of, proposed, 2026 Officers, 2151, 2157, 2161 Oysters, 2174 Patrol service, 2183 Protection service, 4163, 4166, 4170 Salt for curing purposes, 1027, 1319, 1373, 2044, 2290, 3556 Sardine fisheries, 4168 Telephone method of fishing, 2176 Transportation, 2031, 2042, 3392, 3556, 4933 Trawlers, steam, 300 Whitefish, 2159
Fisheries Act Amendment Bill. Res, 2116. lr„ 2118. 2r„ 2149. Ref, to Com., 2149. Corn., 3399.	3r„ 3400
Fisher, Mr. John H. (Brant)
Recruiting in Paris and Burford, 601 Soldiers, votes for, 1386
Flags on public buildings, 4146 Flavelle, Sir Joseph, letter from, 2956, 4010 See O'Connor and Food Flax industry, 4683 Flour. See Grain Food
Adulteration of, 238?
Bacon and lard, 3915, 5274 Beef, exports and imports of, 1574 Butter. See Agriculture Cheese. See Agriculture Control of, 108, 695, 1304, 1313, 1427, 1989, 2076, 2471, 2509, 2580, 3045, 3744 Australia, in, 963 Prices, 3918 'Sugar, 1992 Controller
Appointment, 2433
Office and assistants, 3502, 4413, 4414, 4244
Powers of, 3943 See itlso Food Products Eggs, exports and imports of, 1573 Fish, committee on supply of, 3400 Flour, 700, 1868, 5207
Prices and profits, 1039, 1088, 5085 Yukon, in, 2237 See also Grain.
Imports and exports of, 1573 Inspectors, 607
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Military service, 2404 Oil bounties, 2329
Packages, marking of,-inspection and sale, 4065
Parliament
Extension of term of, 3461 Sessions of, expenses of, 1262 Pay and Records Office, 1355 Pensions, 6007 Railway Act, 3717
Referendum on military service, 2410 Research Council Bill, 2357, 3905, 3957 Salt for fish curing, 2290 Scientific and industrial research, 3905, 3957
Secretary of State Department estimates, 3737
Shipbuilding, 1337, 5436 Soldiers, returned, care of, 1590 Steamship service, 2285, 2323 Submarine situation, 1335 Technical education, 1244 Trade and Commerce
Commissioners and agents, 2326 Department estimates, 1835, 2285, 2323, 3687, 5205, 5275 United States
Declaration of war by, 610 Tariff, changes in, 1264 Viviani, M., address to, 1366 War
Charities, 5489 Prosecution of, 1588 Supplies-munitions contracts, 5529 War-time Elections Bill, 5853 Wealth, conscription of, 3462 Zinc bounties, 2330 Foster parents
See Criminal Code Amendment Bills Fotheringham, Surgeon General J. T., report of, 4059 prance
Exhibitions project with Canada, 2260 Food supplies for, 2310
Railway material for, 310, 335, 1229, 1266, 1372, 1473, 1474, 1615, 1628, 1690, 1820, 3407, 3409, 5293
Trade relations with, 597, 2307, 2309 Visit of Prime Minister to, 1536 Franchise
See War-time Elections Bill; Military Voters' Bill; Woman suffrage Frank, Alta., moving of residences at, 4919 Fraser river channel improvements, 1126 Free wheat See Grain Freight rates See Transportation French Army manoeuvres, attendance of Canadian officers at, 5219
French-Canadians
Enlistment of. See Quebec and Army United States, in, 4914 French language
Bills, printing of in, 5550, 5559	-
Government officials speaking, 2262, 2265, 2340, 2759, 5272
Fripp, Mr. Alfred E. (Ottawa)
Civil Service
Disfranchisement of Civil servants, 2018 Promotions, 2018 Salaries, 2247
Fuel
Coal
Confiscation of by railways, 194, 334, 584 Mining
Director of operations, 2609, 2776 Government control, 1996 Western, 119, 169, 195, 341, 458, 523, 614, 1267, 1372, 1616, 1723, 1725, 2183, 2200, 2238, 2570, 2609, 2653, 2776, 3617, 4009, 4621
Ottawa prices, 1320 Pennsylvania, from, 2199 Prices and supply, 83, 665, 2092, 2292. 4621, 4788
Regulations re sale of, 1275, 2317 Transportation of, 1919, 3395, 4791 United States situation, 4788 Control, 1275, 2317 Controller
Appointment of, 2235 Assistant to, 4152 Staff of, 4245, 5422
Utilization of resources, coal, peat, oil shales, etc., 1405-1422 See also Mines and Minerals Fullerton, Major T. F., employment of, 4508 Galt, Mr. Justice, report of, 599, 602, 2322, 2357; inquiry into, see McLeod-Tellier Commission
Game. See Northwest Game Bill Gascons wharf, 2055 Gasolene. See Taxation Gaspe steamship services, 2299, 2318, 2325 Gauthier, Mr. Louis J. (St. Hyacinthe)
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5003, 5182
Language reflecting on the Chair withdrawn, 2609 '
Military service, 2551 Referendum, 2555 War-time Elections Bill, 5824 Gauvreau, Mr. Charles A. (Temiscouata) Bartlett, Major, 5422
Currie, Col. J. A., M.P., position and pay of, 595
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Exchequer Court cases, 335 Government railways Intercolonial, pension fund, 1476 Promotion of employees, 768 Jenkins, Lieut.-Col. S. R., 5422 Leigh, Major, 5422 L'EspSrance, Hon. D. O., 4511 Lighthouse keepers' salaries, 3134 Louisville post office, 899 Military service, 2746 Exceptions, 3566 Recruiting in Quebec, 2748 Patent medicines, 335, 985, 1470 Riou, Mr. C S., 3904 Riviere du Loup, ferry service, 452 Seed grain for eastern Canada, 1150 Steamship service, Quebec, 2318 Temiscouata mail contract, 335 Thompson, Dr. Alfred, M.P., 5083 Gazelle, Noel, enlistment of. 337 Geological surveys, 4179
Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 452, 989, 3900, 5913
German, Mr. William M. (Welland)
Army
Equipment, 559 Medical service, 559, 3989 Officers, alleged surplus of, 560, 564 Recruiting, 560, 2631 Soldiers, voting of, 4701, 4718, 4818, 48934914
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4026, 4254, 4869, 4960, 5049, 5189 Civil servants, compulsory retirement of, alleged, 2059
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Branch Lines Company, 1375
High Commissionership, 4177 Loans to farmers, 1961 Military Service, 2630 Racing meets, limitation of, 322 Railways,
Government policy in regard to, 2219, 2221
Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1131
Situation, inquiry into, 3408, 3414 Submarine warfare, 334 Taxation of income, 4072 Trent canal, 3405 War supplies,
Boots, 4062
Equipment generally, 559 Munitions, 5525 War-time Elections Bill, 5755 Welland canal, 3402 Woman suffage, 1508
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High cost of living, 2829 Military service, 2825, 3189, 3353 Recruiting, 2827
Riviere du Loup, steamship service, 2358 Glass, Mr. S. Francis (East Middlesex) Budget, 1432
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4039
Cheese, inspection of, 2268 Cold storage, 2080 Daylight saving, 3685 Grain Supervisors, 3699 Insurance, 4389
Lord's Day Observance Act, 936 Military service, 1676, 3145, 3224, 3230, 3277 Straw, utilization of, 4683 Taxation of business profits, 1646 Technical education, 1249 Unclaimed bank balances, 1010 War charities, 5484, 5491, 6064 War-time Elections Bill, 5602, 5686, 5740 Wheat, fixing of price of, 3696 Glen, Colonel Joseph, payments to, 1377 Goldman, Mr. I., employment of. 4510 Government Railways
See Canadian Government Railways Government Railways Act Amendment Bill, lr., 3845. 2r., 4339. Com., 4339, 4365, 4863. 3r., 4417
Amendment, proposed: Mr. Boulay, ruled out, 4382: Mr. Hughes, 4385; lost on div., 4387
Graham, Hon. George P. (South Renfrew) Agriculture, development of, 2578 Aiken, Mr. G. O., 4151, 4508 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 835 Officers
Reversion to ranks of, 3997 Wives of, passports for, 3997 Soldiers, voting of, 4793-4834 Athletic associations, 5922 Bennett, Mr. R. B., M.P., reply to statement of, 804, 869 Breidert and Mudge patents, 1200 Canada Gazette, publication of, 3737 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4022, 4217, 4277, 4282, 4388, 4471, 4591, 4622, 4845, 5041, 5158 Capital punishment, 627, 1022 Charitable enterprises, organization and control over, 378, 5485 Chicago drainage canal, 302


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Proportional representation, 911 Public works expenditure, 5343 Quebec and Saguenay Railway bondholders, 669
Railway Act, the, 605, 3420-3453, 3522 Railways-material for use in France, 335, 1833
Recruiting, 375, 568, 2573 Ross rifle, 482 Royal Military College, 5310 Senate, appointments to, 928 Soldiers
Cessation of working pay, 457 Returned, appointment of to government positions, 1850, 1858, 6054 Voting of, 4793, 4834 Taxation
Income, 1631, 3771, 4073, 4104 Land, 1629 Wealth, 2576, 3461 Telegraphs and telephones, 3545 Telephone lines, government, 5364, 5382 Trade and Commerce Commissioners, 2327 [DOT]Transcontinental railway operations, 1573 War charities, 378, 5485 War, prosecution of the, 2320 War-time Elections Bill, 5589, 5674, 5686, 5693, 5729-5771, 5856 Wheat, free, 642 Grain and grain products
Bran and middlings, 1867, 4468 Breweries and distilleries for, 1176 Commission, Chairman of, 3711 Congestion of in the West, 340 Diseases-rust, 2063 Elevators, 986, 2099, 2334 Claims of employees, 386 Facilities, 4189 Operation of, 3705
Flour, sales of between Canada and United States, 5273 Freight rates on, 2210 Grading of, 1265 Middlings, duty on, 1867 Rust, 2063 Seed
Eastern Canada for, 1150, 1188 Payment for advances, 1126 Purchase of, 4677, 4916, 4924 Supervisors. See Board of Grain Supervisors
Transportation of, 1682, 3396, 3412, 3712 Wheat
Commission, 1381 Exportation of prohibited, 3882 Free, 729, 747-756, 850, 864-884, 889 Prices, fixing of, 3688, 4687, 4887, 4926, 5206, 5218, 6000


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Surplus, purchases of, 1126 Telegram from Non-Partisan League, on, 4512, 4564, 4661 United States tariff on, 1342 Grande Prairie immigration hall, 1575, 1817 Grand Trunk Pacific Branch Lines Company Bills
1.	Bill No. 33 (Mr. Currie) lr., 585; -withdrawn, 667
2.	Bill No. 41 (Mr. Currie) lr„ 843; 2r., 896;
com., 1375; 3r., 1445 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway
Financial statements respecting, 4058 Loan to. 5292
Removal of rails from, 5293 Report of Drayton-Acworth Commission, 4011
Gravel, Lieut. GedOon, 1674 Gravelle, Mr. Oscar, position of, 1226 Great Britain, military service in, 2908 See Army Act
Great War Veterans Association, 1574
Green, Mr. Robert F. (Kootenay)
Railway Act, The, 3514, 3542, 3545 Telegraphs, provisions governing, 3542 Grenier, Mr. Armand, employment of, 3757 Grey, Ambrose, employment of, 1818 Grilse, H.M.C.S., 4563 Grosse Isle quarantine station, 5306 Guthrie, Mr. Hugh (South Wellington)
Bags and sacks, duty on, 1873 Bran and shorts, 1874
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5035
Coalition government, 2463 Enlistment, voluntary, 2454 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5502, 5903 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1179 Military service, 2452
Personal, attitude respecting, 3721 Tribunals, 3300 Soldiers
Returned, care of, 470 Voting of, 4410 Tariff revision, 1780 Taxation
Income, 1783, 2453 Wealth, 2453
War-time Elections Bill, 5598 Windsor immigration officer, 2357 Guysborough public building, 5914 Gwatkin, General, administration of military affairs by, 4419
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Dry docks, 5915 Railway terminals, 2214
Halifax & Eastern Railway, contractors, 304 Hansard. Sec House of Commons Hants county apple inspectors, 1380	.
Harbours. See Public works Hardy, Lieut. M. R., employment of, 4509 Harris, Capt. R. V., position of, 5422
Hay, inspection and grading of, 3402
See Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bill
Hazen, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries) -Army
French front, visit to, 1563 Pensions, 1610 Wet canteens, 1561
British Admiralty, recruiting for, 4163 Coal, transportation of, 4791 Dry docks, 5887 Fish and fisheries Advisory Board, 2151 Canneries, 2117, 3399 Department	-
Appointments, 2149 Estimates, 2149 Dogfish, 2176 Exhibit at Toronto, 2033 Herring, 2036 Inspection, 2035 Lobsters, packing of. 5426 Ministry of, proposed, 2030 , Officers, 2163
Transportation, 2031 White fish, 2159
Fisher, Mr. WTard, appointment of, 2170 Fisheries Act Amendment Bill, 3399 Gwatkin, General, 4426 Imperial War Conference, 1556 Lake of the Woods water level, 4178 Live stock, shipments, inspection of, 1842 Marine Department, estimates, 1815, 1836, 1881, 1912
Meat and Canned Foods Act, 2114, 3400 Minto, steamer, food supplies for, 2175 Naval Service Department, estimates, 4157 Ocean Telegraph Act, 2024, 2108 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4426 Public Works Department estimates, 5890 Pugsley, Mr, statement of, 5274 Quebec harbour advances, 435, 577 Royal Naval College, 4163 St John harbour, 4187, 5892 Shipbuilding, 1557, 1665, 1912, 4164


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"War-time Elections Bill, 5717 Heals station rifle range, 1573, 1675 Heatherton, N.S, mail contract, 1817 Henderson, Mr. Geo. F., K.C., position of, 4010, 4211, 4243 See O'Connor
High Commissioner, Canadian, Office of, 4177 High cost of living, 129, 961, 2076, 2055 Yukon, in, 2199
See also Customs Tariff Act; Food Products'; Price; O'Connor.
Highways, improvement of, 1217 Hindu immigration, 2145 Hobbs, Mr. Hugh, 1228 Home Defence, 336, 1038, 2628, 3955 Officers, recruiting of, 3134 Homesteads
Patents, delay of, 3759 Regulations, 1741, 1746 Settlers' names, 1819
See also Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bill
Hopetown post office, 989, 1474 Horses. See Agriculture Hospitals Marine, 1953 Military
Canadian Hospital No. 8, 1674 Conditions in, 54, 59, 464 Construction of in Canada, 4045 European, 527 Hospital trains, 2205 Parliament Hill, on, 1228 See Military Hospital Commission, and Canadian Army Medical Service House of Commons
Accountant's office, lease of premises, 5703 Business of the
Adjournments. See also general title Adjournment Ascension Day, 1422 Dominion Day, 2620 Imperial War Conference, for, 117, 597 Victoria Day, 1628 See also general title Adjournment Daily routine orders, 1423, 1524 Morning sittings. 2619, 2755, 2833 Private Bills, extension of time, 585 Saturday sittings, 344, 2569 Wednesday sittings, 324 Clerk of the House, retirement of Dr. Flint, 6043, 6069
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Hansard, cost of, 607 Members
Active service, on, 713 Deceased, tributes to, 3 New, introduction of, 7 Sessional indemnity of, 5790, 6043 Messengers, proposed increases in salaries to, 4684, 6053 Officials
Appointments, 586, 642, 843, 1956 Deputy Sergeant-at-arms, 3 Library, clerk in, 2832 Pages, chief of, 522
Reporting Branch, 522, 5636, 5702, 5786,
. 5949
Salary increases to, 4834 Secretaryship abolished, 5702 Translator, Chief, 522 Troop, Mr. Herbert D., 434 Returns, complaint of delay in bringing down, 1373
Sergeant-at-Arms, death of, 6069 Speaker, election of, 1 See Speaker
Speaker's quarters, 5784
Effects removed and returned, 2058 Stenographers, 5788 Vacancies, 1, 605, 2836 Howe, Lieut. M. J., position of, 6066 Hudson Bay Railway Expenditure, 596, 900 Terminals, 2205
See Canadian Government Railways Hughes, Mr. J. J. (Kings, P.E.I.)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 231 Naval affairs, 236 Purchase of war supplies, 232 Record of the present administration, 231 The Ross rifle, 235
Statements' of ex-Minister of Militia, 234 Agricultural Instruction Act, payments under, 455
Bartlett, Major, 4292, 4416 Bruce report, publication of, 3845 Campbell, Capt. G. H., 4508 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5044
De Wolf, Fred. T., 5703 Ex-Minister of Militia, correspondence relating to resignation of, 991 Fullerton, Major T. ,F., 4508 Government Railways Act amendment, 4352, 4385
Government railways, management and operation of, 783
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Carriage on government railways, 591 James Simmonds Co., 5122 Labourers from the United States, 1193 Machine guns, 452
Magdalen islands steamship service, 2302 McQueen, Lieut. W. A.. 4508 Military District No. 6, 5237 Military service, 2971 Referendum, 2977 Moffatt, Lieut. R. J., 5361 Potatoes
Marketing of, 5989 Powdery scab, 2269 Prince Edward Island Medical officers, 4563 Patriotism of men of the province, 2974 Railway, widening of, 3902, 3945 Steamship service, 660, 3954 Princess Louise Fusiliers officers, 5271 Quebec, recruiting in, 2972, 2977 Ross rifle, 235 Shipbuilding, 1335 Souris breakwater, 3871 Steamship services, 2326 United Mine Workmen of Nova Scotia, 802 War-time Elections Bill. 5664 Hughes, Sir Sam (Victoria, Ont.)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 253
Appreciation of British military assistance, 253
Personal attitude and policy, 254, 271 Col. Armand Lavergne, 256 Dorchester campaign, 255 Canadian troops in the South African war, 256
Troubles in administration of military affairs, 256
Status of Canadian forces, 259 Military equipment, 262 Appointment of General Steele, 264 Method of purchasing war supplies, 265 Disposition and command of Canadian forces, 268 Recruiting, 269
Canadian industries and the war, 270 Army
Badges of identification. 5953 Canteens, 808
Enlistment, voluntary, 2434-2449 Medical service, 537, 4199, 4466 Recruiting
Correspondence with Prime Minister, 3090
Officers in Quebec, 3135 Rejected men, 3099
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Mr. W. H. Bennett
Bill No 45; lr., 1037; withdrawn, 1157 Bill No. 50; lr., 1568
Intercolonial Railway. See Canadian Government Railways
Interest Act Amendment Bill, lr., 2569. 2r., 3401. Com., 3401. 3r., 3402 Interest on judgmenft, 900 Interior Department
Appointments to under section 21, 1351 Calgary offices, 668 Estimates, 652, 1344, 1735, 4916 Expenditure, 1344
French-speaking employees of, 2340 Orders in Council relating to, 6000 Political activity of employees, 2349 Internal Economy Commission, 45 International Fisheries Commission, 892 International surveys, 1735 Interprovincial bridges, 3888 Intoxicating liquors Army camps, in See Army Manufacture and sale of, 454 Prohibition of, 2008
See also "The Fiddlers" and Canada Temperance Act
Prosecutions for sale of, 1575 Sale of, 3818
See also Provincial Prohibitory Legislation
Inverness harbour improvements, 5325 Irish-Canadian Rangers. See Army Jack, Mr. E. Bryden, position of, 4508 Jaffray, Mr. J. P„ position of, 4062 Jails. See Penitentiaries Jameson, Mr. Clarence (Digby)
Fisheries, proposed ministry of, 2026 Military Service Bill, 2969 Soldier Settlement Board, 3784 Technical education, 1243 James Simmonds Co., The, purchase of goods from, 5122	.
Jamesville breakwater, 5328 Jenkins, Lieut.-Col. S. R., duties and pay of, 5422
Joffre, General, 613 '
Judges Act Amendment Bill. Res., 1973. lr., 1978.	2r„ Com., 2136.	3r„ 2137. Sen.
amdt., 5954, 6062 Judgments, interest on, 900
See Interest Act Amendment Bill Justice
Administration of, 1805 Baugh, Edward Levi, case of, 1814
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Department, estimates, 1805, 6097. 6794, 5896, 6033, 6049 Exchequer Court Cases, 335 Expenses, 1811 Publications, 5804 Judges
Appointment of, 1806 Provincial commissions, on, 593	.
Salaries, 1973, 5798, 5954 Saskatchewan and Ontario, 1973 Yukon, 5896
Minister of, payments to, 898, 1225 Provincial legislatures, powers of, 1807, 1811 Supreme Court, Chief Justice- of, special allowance to, 6049 Kay, Mr. William F. (Missisquoi)
Ballots for overseas forces, 452 Food Controller's office,employees, 3502 Foster, Mr. A. DeWitt, 303 Fuel Controller, staff of, 4245 Oleomargarine, prohibition of, 304 Parliament buildings, marble for, 2833 War profits and income tax-cost of collection, 4686
Kelly, Thomas, treatment of in penitentiary, and release of, 896, 4926, 5273, 5794 Kemp, Sir Edward (Minister of Militia and Defence)
Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 815 Discharges, 3006 Enlistments
Total, 3098	1
Voluntary, 3381 Forestry battalions, 3950 Medical service, 3967 Officers
Pay of, 1628
Retention of on leave, 5902 Salutes to, 5425 Surplus, 3103
Pay and Records office staff, 3104
Rejected men, 3099
Soldiers
Behaviour of, 5235 Personal requests concerning, 4203 Separation allowances, 4203 Civil servants, enlisted, pay and separation allowances to, 663 Expeditionary Force, disposition of, 2356 Home defence campaign, 2628 Irish-Canadian Rangers, 195 Lens, valour of Canadian soldiers at, 5195 Military service, 2620, 3239 Classes, 3357
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Coal, 1998
Shortage of, 1919
Cost of living, O'Connor Commission report, 700, 961, 3914, 4010 Flour, 1039 Food control, 961, 988 Customs Department officials, 5101 Dawson post office, 4952 Dredge Cape Breton, loss of, 596, 1024, 3831 East Bay wharves, 5315 False Creek dredging, 900, 1126	.
Fish and fisheries, 2050 Advisory Board, 2152 Dogfish, 2179 Officers, 2157, 2161 Flags on public buildings, 4146 Flint, Dr., retirement of, 6044 Flour, price of, 1039 Food control, 1998
Fraser river channel improvements, 1126 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5904 Heals station rifle range, 1573 Imperial Munitions Board Labour, 1985 Inland Revenue Department officials, 2377 Intercolonial railway - improvement of grades, 456 Judges' salaries, 1974 Leblanc, Dr. B. A., 2283, 4416 Lewis machine guns, 590 Louisburg
Censors, 4008 Pilot Commissioners, 3677 Wireless station, 5122 Macdonald, Dr. J A., 2283 Mail contracts, 3636, 3639 Maritime Provinces military affairs, 5228 Military District No. 6, 5228 Military Hospitals Commission, 4243 Military service Exemptions, 5271 Tribunals, 3158
Militia Department estimates, 5221 National Service Commission, 200 Naval Service officers at Halifax, 6000 Neilly, Dr., position of, 2707 Nova Scotia public works, 5315, 5324 O'Connor report, 4010
Ogilvie Flour Mills Company, Limiteu, 1818; 2389, 3677
Ottawa Journal-Press-correction of statement, 3759
Pacific Dredging Company, 1126 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4211 Pensions, 6018
Point Yupper mail service, 3502 Pommery, Mr. Samuel, 4952 Port Malcolm wharf, 3866
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Recruiting, 2482
Returned soldiers, appointment of to gov-eernment positions, 6055 Richmond county medical officers, 3758 Ross rifle factory, taking over of by the Government, 663 Salt, shortage of, 3556 Shipbuilding, 5434 Steamship services, 2325 Sydney industrial sites, 3956 Taxation
Business profits, 965 Income, 4115, 5291
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5336 Turner, Mr. Harvey, 1469 Urquhart, Mr. Hector, 5367 Vancouver drill hall site, 456 War supplies
Munitions contracts, 5526 Purchase of, 4053 Waterford explosion, 5775 Women munitions workers, 4063 Yukon	>
Administrator, 5122 Commissioner, 3677
Labour
Attitude of on military service, 2426, 2488, 2451, 2604, 2663, 2795, 2871, 2958, 3725, 3732
Australian labour troubles, 698 Bureaus, 118 Chinese labourers, 2139 Conditions on munition work, 2492 Department administration, 1269
Assistant Deputy Minister, abolition of office of, 686
Estimates, 686, 1112, 1166, 1989, 3652 Staff and salaries, 686 See also Mines and Minerals, Coal Fair wages and inspection officers, 3652 Farm labourers from the United States, 665, 1193, 1740, 1747, 3504, 4512 Government elevators, claims by employees, 386
Imperial Munitions Board, 1985 Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1112, 1166, 1270
Military service, attitude to See under this head Attitude Strikes. See Coal and Thetford Brantford moulders, 2322 Sorel strike, 1912, 1935 Yukon miners, 3086 Thetford mines. See that title


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Quebec's contribution of men, 3256 Recruiting, 2772 Quebec electoral lists, 6002 Senate Hansard, cost of, 1571 War-time Elections Bill, 5621, 5639, 5722, 5741, 5759, 5865
Laporte, Mr. Hormidas, payments to, 4510
Latchford, Ont., plant and buildings, sale of, 5706
Laurentian, steamer, 4563
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid (Quebec, East) Address in reply to, the Governor General's Speech, 17
Canada's Governor General, 17 The war situation, 18	_
German peace proposals, 19 Our soldiers at the front, 20 Laxity of present administration, 20 Control of our military forces, 20 Equipment of Canadian troops, 23 The fiftieth Anniversary of Confederation, 24
Imperial War Conference, 24 Amqui-St. Leonard mail contract, 3903 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 813 Control of, by Canada, 20 Discharges, 3111 Equipment, 23 Recruiting
Quebec, in, 2395 Retarding of, 3094 Rejected men, 3101 Soldiers, voting of, 2403, 3727 Army Act, regulations, 3111 Balfour, Rt. Hon. A. J., address to, 1772 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 4216, 4625, 4635, 5128 Capital punishment, 622 Coalition government, 3727 Correspondence with Sir Robert Borden, 2690
Confederation, fiftieth anniversary of, 24 Connaught, the late Duchess of, 610 Daylight saving, 3681 Defence of Canada, 358 Fisheries protection service, 4166 Galt, Mr. Justice Report of, 2057
Rogers, Hon. Robert, criticism of, by, 599 Government Railways Act amendment, 4384 Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Branch Lines Company, 1375
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Business of the House, 1524 Morning sittings, 2619, 2775 Saturday sittings, 325, 2569 Wednesday sittings, 325 Clerk of the House, retirement of, 6070 Officials, appointments of, 586 Rights of House in dealing with taxation, 5479
Speaker's quarters, 5784 Imperial War Conference, 24 Adjournment of Parliament, 118 Visit of Prime Minister to, 1542 Insurance, 3848 Intoxicating liquor, 4397 Landry, Mr. Justice, report of, 4152, 5250 Mace, vote of thanks to donors of, 1469 McLeod-Tellier Commission, 2357, 5245 Members, deceased, tributes to, 4 Migratory birds, 3657 Military Service, 3111, 3254 Appeals, 3177 Board of Selection, 5084 Burden of Proof, 3319 Classes, 3132, 3140
Conscription, need of, considered, 2396 Contraventions of Act, 3324, 3337 Exceptions, 3559 Exemptions, 3207, 3362 Labour, attitude of, 3725 Men, available, 3724 Parliament, power of, 2392, 3723 Persons liable for service, 31J6 Quebec enlistments, 2398 Referendum, 2403, 3721, 3728 Senate amendments, 4663 Tribunals, 3149, 3165, 3296, 3575, 5880 Votes for soldiers, 3727 Mounted Police, Royal Northwest, 4668 National Service Commission, 309 Nevysprint paper, 757
Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4195 Parliament
Extension of term of, 2396, 3420, 3484 Printing of, 5950, 5952 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4195, 4206 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5972 Point of order-Hon. Robert Rogers' reference to Mr. Justice Galt, 599 Prisoners, proposed enlistment of, 1014 Quebec and Saguenay Railway purchase and completion of, 303 Quebec harbour advances, 433 Railway Act, the, 606
Railway material, removal of to France, 310, 1372
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Hindus, of, 1763, 2144 Japanese, of, 2144
Indians-Caughnawaga hospital, 1386 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 3831 Officials, 3817 Montreal, at, 758
Insurance of war risks, 3557, 3589 Intercolonial railway, cars, shortage of, 1378
Intoxicating liquor Prohibition of, 4401 Sale of, 3819
Jack, Mr. E. Bryden, 4508 Kelly, Thomas, 4926, 5794 Labour bureaus, 118 Laval, steamer, 1470 Lessard, General, 363, 2055 Levis railway, station, 2208 Magdalen Islands Cable service, 5408 Steamship service, 2303 Mail matter, registration of, 668 Matane Harbour light, 1575 McWilliams, Mr., dismissal of, 2167 Military service
Burden of proof, 3318	'
Contraventions of Act, 3329 Enlistment - Canada compared with United States and France, 2463 Exceptions, 3560 Exemptions, 3131 Insurance of soldiers, 3557, 3589 Militia Act, provisions of, 2465 Persons liable to serve, 3117 Pledges of government, 2467 Quebec's position, 2473, 3137 Referendum, 2478 Regulations, 3316 Tribunals, 3158
Mining industry, development of, 4181 Mitchell, Private J. F., death of, 1377 Montreal postmaster, 523, 581 O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ report of, 3746 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4202, 4420, 4442 Parcel post, 2075
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4202, 4207, 4212, 4420
Parliamentary sessions, expense of, 1262 Quebec harbour advances, 577 Improvements, 3879
Quebec, Montmorency and Charlevoix; Quebec and Saguenay, and Lotbiniere and Megantic Railways, 4848, 5454 Railway Act, The, 3514, 3716 *
Railway company, advance to, 2100
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Dominion Canners Company, 1289 Fish and fisheries Development of industry, 2047 Lobsters, 2049, 2155, 5426 Free wheat, 1286
Government railways, branch lines, 2223 Military Service, 2984 Referendum, 2986 Recruiting, 380 Shipbuilding, 1929 Soldiers, voting of, 4778 Steamship service, 2311 Taxation
Business profits, 1645 Income, 4069
Lord's Day Observance Act
Suggested suspension of, 936 Lotbiniere and Megantic Railway Completion and operation of, 4948, 5452 Louisburg
Pilot Commissioners, 3677 Wireless station at, 5122 Lou isville post office, 899 Lovett, James, dismissal of, 453, 759 Loyal Orange Order, 85, 91 Macdonald, Mr. E. M. (Pictou)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 47
The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 47
Imperial "War Conference, 47 The War, 48
The present Government and the war, 49 Extension of term of Parliament, 50 Canada's participation in wars of the Empire, 51 Recruiting, 51 Political patronage, 52, 55 Conscription, 54
Conditions in military hospitals, 54, 59 Administration of military affairs, 54 Government expenditures, 60 The winning of the war, 61 Aeroplane service, 805, 844 Army
Allowances, separation, 336,	383, 387,
Camps and canteens, 535, 820, 1266 Canteen system in England, 71S Conscription, 54, 893
Criticism of military affairs, duty of the Opposition, 571
Enlistment of Canadians in the United States, 3758 Hospital No. 8, 1674 Irish-Canadian Rangers, 195, 458
Macdonald, Mr. E. M.-Con.
Medical service, 527, 3962 Pensions, 84i5 Recruiting, 51, 360, 372 Advertising of, cost, 986 State of, 936 Unfit men, of, 697, 4006 United States, in, 3758, 3904 Soldiers
Farms, employment on, 1677 Medical treatment of, 3962 Voting of, 4692, 4704, 4729, 4741, 478-6, 4792, 4834, 4876, 48-87 Army and Navy Veterans, 5911 Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, suspension of, 688
Babtie, report, Dr. Bruce's reply to, 669 Bull, Mr. Perkins, 1130 Canadian Government Railways Cars, purchase of, 4928 Coal purchases, 664, 667, 3388 United States, in, 592 Employees Magazine, 452 Devel crossing near Trenton, 304 Quebec and Saguenay, etc., 5460 Safety-first inspectors, 337 Steamers, purchase of, 669 See under this head Government Railways Amendment Act and Intercolonial Railway
Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 403-0, 4283, 4544, 4606-4618, 4628-4632, 4864, 4996, 5-124 Carson, Major General, 986 Coal, Western mining of, 159, 614 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4296, 4322
Customs duties on goods of the Crown 1979, 1982
Dominions Royal Commission, 2-338 Emigration of Canadians, 987 Food control, 2001, 3744
Supplies for Great Britain, 2260 France, trade with, 23-12 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5904 Government Railways Act amendment, 4339, 4366, 4386 Grain, 4679
Gwatkin, General, 4419 Heals station rifle range, 1675 High cost of living, 695, 3935 Hospitals, military, 54, 59 Hudson Bay railway expenditure, 900, 5088
Immigration
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Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1123 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 3825, 3827, 3833, 2842 Expenditure, 2380, 2384 Officials, 2360 Intercolonial Railway Cars, 2226
Employees, promotion of, 779 Operation of, 776 Judges' salaries, 5955 Kentville armoury Caretaker, 4509 Militia stores, 4510 Kitsilano Indian reserve, 1129 Loan ($100,000,000), 4416, 4621 Lobster fishing, 2155, 5425 Master mariners, 4416
Medically unfit persons, certificates to, 5423 Military bands, 4044 Military service, 2947
Board of Selection, 2954 Contraventions of Act, 3339 Exemptions, 2955 Labour, attitude of, 2958 Quebec, position of, 2959 Referendum, 2961
Minto, steamship-food supplies, 2179 Munitions contracts, 4928 New Glasgow-Mountville mail service, 1037 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3935 Overseas Military Forces, Ministry of, 4417, 4442
Overseas Militia Department, non-combatant positions in, 4786 Parliament, extension of term of, 3478 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5958 Pensions, 6005-6033
Canadians in Imperial Forces, for. 466? Pictou
Freight, handling of, at, 303 Marine and Fisheries agency, 304, 596, 1937
Rural mail routes, 900 Post Office Department, estimates, 2352 Prince Edward Island Car ferry, 2305 Freight for, 1037 Steamship service, 3389 Prisoners of war, 666
Provincial governments, duties payable by, 2119, 2129
Provincial legislatures, powers of, 1807 Public works expenditure, 1038 Railway Act, The, 3426, 3439, 3441 Railway Department, steamers purchased
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Robb, P.A., 1572 St. John harbour works, 5894 Scientific and industrial research, 3912 Senate, appointments to, 932 Shipbuilding, 802, 1325, 1341, 1914, 1934, 1661, 5430
Soldiers, votes for, 1393, 1399 Stellarton
Public building, 4951 [DOT] Postmaster, 669, 897, 3758 Submarine situation, 1320, 1339 Taxation
Business profits, 1641 Income, 1652, 3775, 5884, 5886 Wealth, 3480
Taxation measures; Senate's power to amend denied, 5477 -Technical education, 1241 Trade and Commerce, South America, 2331 United States
Labourers from, 665 Tariff, changes in, 1264 Vancouver Harbour Commissioners, 1575 Victoria Sealing Company, 5958 Walsh, J. J., 1675 War charities, 5482 War supplies
Munitions contracts, 5517 Political patronage in purchase of, 4050, 4053
Ross rifle, 477, 479 Trenton, contractors for, 303 Wealth, conscription of, 3480 Yukon territory, 1736 Macdonald, Dr. J. A., employment of, 2283 Macdonald, Mrs. Jessie, separation allowances to, 5361
Macdonell, Mr. A. C. (South Toronto) Military service, 2847
Parliament, authority of, 2848 Quebec situation, 2852 Referendum, 2849 Reinforcements, need of, 2853 Railway Act, The, 3433, 3533 Soldiers, voting of, 2850 Mace, presentation of, 1468 Machine guns. See War supplies
Maclean, Mr. Alexander K. (Halifax) Aldershot camp grounds, 3295, 3419 Apples, embargo on, 5776 Army
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Soldier's cove wharf, 5339 Taxation
Income, 3766, 3767, 4070, 4111, 4124 Business profits, 727, 1660 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5386 United States, head tax on Canadians, 892 Vessels in government service, 1130 War supplies-mattresses and covers, 6065 War-time Elections Bill, 5595, 5637-5702, 5707-5771, 6072 Polling divisions under, 6070 Windsor Junction mail service, 5913
Maclean, Mr. W. F. (South York)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 130
Party co-operation, 130 National government, 132 Loans to farmers, 134 The winning of the war, 135 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4531
Civil Service, appointments and promotions, 2018 Conscription, 1550
Federal law and its enforcement, 3263 Food control, 3750
Government Railways Act amendment, 4362 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1181 Imperial War Conference, 1548 Letter carriers, 1805 Loans to farmers, 134 Military service, 1550 Enforcement, 3263 Railway Act, The, 3423 Telegraph service, 2109 War supplies, purchases of by British Government, 4952 War-time Elections Act, 5593
M acNutt, Mr. Thomas (Saltcoats)
Aliens, enlistment of, 3656, 4413 Ottawa Journal-Press, statement of, 3S55 Parker, Mr. R. G. M., 2201 Soldier Settlement Board, 3790 Tariff revision, 1718, 1727


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Army, soldiers' pay, 3217 Beans for seed, duty on, 671 Cold storage plants, 1628, 2078 Flour, price of, 1063 Food control, 2087 Grain, congestion in the West, 340 Henderson, Mr. Geo. F„ K.C., 4243 Hogs, inspection of, 2271 Cholera, 2273 Loans to farmers, 1965 Military service, 2785 Exemptions, 3218 Potatoes, supply of, 936 Titus, Private John, 2237 Tractor engines, duty on, 674 Training camps in Canada, 899 McCraney, Mr. Geo. E. (Saskatoon)
Alcohol for public institutions, 5103 Army, medical service, 3993 Budget, 949 Taxation, 951
Policies, after the war, 953 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4551, 4633, 5174 Coal, western mining of, 2184 Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bills, 1157,3805, 3811	,
Elrose mail service, 899 Fuel, 1417
Homestead patents, delay in, 3759 Immigrants-exemption from military service, 1572
-Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 1166 Military service, 2558	.
Enforcement, 2560 Exemptions, 1572, 3221, 3369 Referendum, 2559
Parliament, railway transportation for members of, 3519
Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 300, 683 Railway Act, The, 3519 Seed grain indebtedness, 302, 1126 Soldiers, returned, care of, 475 Soldier Settlement Board, 1164 Taxation, income, 3778, 4075, 4094, 4099 WTar-time Elections Bill, 5559, 5643-5702, 5712
McCrea, Mr. Francis N. (Sherbrooke)
Budget, 1300
Taxation of business profits, 1300 The pulp and paper industry, 1302 Flour, price of, 1069 Horses, purchases of pure bred, 2279 Military service, 3035
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Potatoes supply of, 1087 Pulp and paper industry, 1302, 1464 Railway Act, The, 3444 Sherbrooke exhibition grounds, 302 Taxation, business profits, of, 1463 War-time Elections Bill, 5862
McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Parliamentary Secretary, Department of Militia and Defence)
Army camps, sale of liquor in, 833 Military Service Bill, 2890 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4210, 4450 War-time Elections Bill, 6085 McCutcheon, Stanley, dismissal of, 306 McGee, the late Thos D'Arcy, monument to 3899
Mclnnis, Mr. M. A., assistant to Fuel Controller, 5422
McKee, A. J., steamer, 669, 4925, 4939 McKenzie, Mr. Daniel D. (North Cape Breton)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 78, 83
The attitude of Nova Scotia, 79 Mal-administration of the present Government, 81, 89
Canada's duty in regard to the war, 80 Militia Department affairs and the late Minister, 82
Loyal Orange Order, 85
Political patronage in recruiting, 86
Voting of soldiers, 87
Representation of Cape Breton in the Senate, 89 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 826, 1567 *Enlistment of Canadians in British Army, 385
Forestry battalions, 4509 Recruiting, 86
Soldiers' votes, 87, 4729, 4759 Bad-deck mail contract, 1819 Bell, Mr. Alexander Graham, 5783 Budget, 1809
Record of the present Administration, 1090
Political patronage, 1092 Purchase of horses in Nova Scotia, 1093 Development and progress under late Administration, 1094
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4039, 4521, 5032, 5162 Civil Service, promotions, 4667 Coal, 2005
Confiscation of by railways, 194
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Criminal Code amendment, jurors, 4305, 4330 Customs
Duties payable on Crown's goods, 2130 Officials, 5100 Preventive service, 1882 Dry docks, 4463 Fish and fisheries Officers, 2170
Development of industry, 2045 Fisher, Mr. Ward, 2170 Flags on public buildings, 4147 Flour, 1879
High price of, 1076 Fuel, 1418 Control of, 2317
Government Railways Act amendment, 4375
Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1178 Highland Brigade, 552 House of Commons-messengers, 6053 Imperial Munitions Board clerks, 305 Imperial War Conference, 1565 Indians, 1893
Sydney reserve, 3664 Inland Revenue Department Estimates, 2379, 3840 Expenditure, 2379, 2388 Officials, 3840 Insurance, 2102, 4393 Intercolonial Railway Boisdale contracts, 4415 Claims, 3416 Operation of, 784 Rates on coal, 4292
Stations at North Sydney, McKinnon's Harbour and Christmas Island, 2227 Sydney train service, 2222 Jamesville breakwater, 5328 Judges' salaries, 1976 Labour, 1174, 1988
Conditions on munition work, 2493 Letter carriers, salaries of, 583 Little Bras d'Or dredging, 3886 Magdalen Islands cable service, 5407 Mail contracts, 3637 Margaree harbour improvements, 5336 Matheson post office, 3502 Military service Appeals, 3185 Burden of proof, 3322 Classes, 3289
Contraventions of Act, 3588 Exemptions, 3232 Labour, attitude of, 2492
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Morton, Dr. A., position of, 5706, 5913 North Sydney
Customs service, 607, 1852 Railway station, 2227 Nova Scotia steamship service, 2286 O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3753 Investigations of, 3653, 3928 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4424, 4449
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4449 Patenaude, Hon. E. L., resignation of, 2494 Pelagic Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5975 Pensions, 6017
Provincial Governments, duties payable by, 2130
Public works-harbour improvements, 4186 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec railways, 5473 Racing Form, The, 306, 336, 896 Railway Act, The, 3533 Railway mail clerks, 3650 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2368 St. Peter's canal, 3406 St. Pierre Miquelon mail service, 3649 Sehaffner, Mr. L. P., dismissal of, 443 Shipbuilding, 1566 Soldiers, votes for, 1397 Soldier's cove wharf, 5337, 5341 Soldier Settlement Act, administration of, 4917
Steamship services, 2324, 2286 Submarine situation, 1333 Taxation, income, 4128, 4135, 4658 Technical education, 1239 Telegraph and telephone lines, 4191, 5362, 5401 War
Charities, 5490, 6062 Expenditure, 549
Supplies, munitions contracts, 5537 War-time Elections Bill, 5606, 5670, 5751, 5841
Wharves, 1945
Wheat, fixing of price of, 3694 Woman suffrage, 1516
McKenzie, Lieut. F. J. S., payments to, 986
McLean, Mr. Angus A. (Queen's, P.E.I.) Prince Edward Island Railway, 3947 Pensions, 6013 Submarine situation, 1327
McLeod-Tellier Commission
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Report of, 4291 Sittings of, 2322, 2357
See also Galt, Mr. Justice, and Landry, Mr. Justice
McMillan, Mr. John A. (Glengarry)
Cheese purchases by British Government, 1774
Dairying industry, 2256 McNab, Colin C., proposed allowance to, 578 McNeil, F. C„ payments to, 1380 McNeil, Lt. John D., promotion of, 5272 McQueen, Lieut. W. A„ employment of, 4508 McSpadden, Lt.-Col., position of, 2618 McWilliams, Mr., dismissal of, 2165 Magdalen Islands, cable service, 5407 Magladery, Mr. Thomas, M.L.A., position and pay of, 4685 Mails. See Post office Manitoba, County Court judges, 5083 Maple sugar. See Food products Marcft, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 109, 119 Canada and the war, 109, 119 The Nationalist party, 109, 120 The Dorchester election, 111, 120 Recruiting in Quebec, 112, 119, 127 Quebec, past and present. 123 National service, 126 The high cost of living, 129 Army, Fifth Canadian Division, 459 BOland, Hon. Dr., M.P., 311, 341 Bonaventure
Breakwater, 988 County, mail service, 1126	>
Recruiting officer, 1675 Campbellton-Gaspe steamship service, 1126, 1228, 1959
Carleton Beach protection works, 1126 Civil Service, salaries, 2238 Court, Private Harry Ivan, 3295 Cross Point w'harf, 988, 1228, 1571 Customs Department, dismissals from, 1844 Dagneau, John F„ 1471 Daylight saving, 3685 Dorchester county election, 111, 120 Elaine, steamer, 1379 Gascons wharf, 2055 Gaspe steamship services, 2325 -Government Railways Act amendment, 4343 Hopetown post office, 989, 1474 Interprovincial bridges, 3891 Intoxicating liquors, 2008 Le Blanc, Maurice, 1816
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Militia Department, employees, 312 Montreal, customs collectorship, 311 Nationalist party, 109, 120 New Carlisle, war expenditure in, 1575 New Richmond post office, 898 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4209 Packages, marking of,-inspection and sale, 4067, 4070 Paspebiac wharf, 898, 988 Paspebiac-Hopetown mail service, 1126 Pratt Bros., payments to,'1570 Prisoners of war, exchange of, 341 Quebec and Oriental railway, 1674 Quebec, recruiting in, 112, 127, 213, 342, 2428 Railway Act, The, 3513 Read, Lance Corporal, 717 Renault, Raoul, appointment of, 2375 Restigouche river, bridging of, 988 Ross rifle, 422
Ruisseau le Blanc breakwater, 898 St. Charles de Caplan wharf, 898 Separation allowances, 386 Shigawake post office, 898 Shigawake East post office, 988 Shipbuilding, 1921, 193.0 Soldier Settlement Board, 3626, 3789 Taxation, income, 4102, 4123, 4130 United States troops, training of in Canada, 2482
War-time Elections Bill, 5641, 5717, 5813 Wharves, 1944
M arcile, Mr. Joseph E. (Bagot)
Budget;' 1292
Trade and financial conditions, 1293 The French-Canadian people, 1294 Recruiting, 1294 Transcontinental railway, 1295 Government appointments and dismissals, 1296
Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 4998
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Expenses, 3262, 3361 Labour, attitude of, 3732 Parliament, authority of, 2530 Penalties, 3271
Persons liable for service, 3116, 3125 Quebec situation, 2536 Referendum, 2533 Regulations, 3314 Tribunals, 3149, 3295, 3574 Passports for women, 5783 Press statements correction of, 4S89 Provincial legislators, free transportation . for, 685
Senate, appointments to, 926 Soldiers
Returned, appointment of to government positions, 6058 Votes for, 1390, 3730
Transcontinental railway-removal of rails to France, 1229, 1266 United Grain Growers, Limited, 894 War charities, 6062 War supplies, Ross rifle, 479, 493 War-time Elections Bill, 5582, 5637-5702, 5708-5771, 6076
Merritt, Col. W. H., collection by for Aviation Fund, 5362
Michaud, Mr. Pius (Victoria, N.B.),
Blain, Lieut. Roswell, 4245 Canadian Northern Railway, acquisition of, 5028	*
Civil Service promotions, 2021 Dalhousie militia buildings, 454 Danis, Joseph M., 2618 Farm labourers from United States, 4512 Immigration regulations, 454 Intercolonial railway, 798 Mail service, 3639 Military Service Bill, 2808 United States, head tax on foreigners entering, 1266
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) Army, soldiers' votes, 4894 Breidert and Mudge patents, 1199 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4512
Companies, incorporation of, 5939 Food control, 2509	,
Government Railways Act amendment, 4378 House of Commons-sessional indemnity of members, 6046 Military service, 2502 Exemptions, 2506, 3202 Parliament authority of, 2503 Provinces, recruiting by, 2511 Referendum, 2502, 2512 Pensions, 6010
Soldier Settlement Board, 3624
Middlebro, Mr. W. S.-Con.
Taxation
Business profits, 2508
Wealth, 2507
Income. 4073, 4106
Migratory Birds Convention Bill, lr., 2525.
2r„ 3657. Com., 3657. 3r„ 3662 Miguasha wharf, 1126 Military
Bands, 4044 Districts
Nos. 3 and 10, 455
No. 6, Halifax, Capt. R. V. Harris, 5422 Officers, 5226, 5236, 5422 Forces
Overseas, Minister of, 4195, 4417, 4441
Administration of, 4200 Hospitals. See that title Trains, 2205	*
Military and Naval Aid Bill ($500,000,000).
See War Appropriation Military Hospitals Commission, 464, 473, 4243
See also Canadian Army Medical Service and Hospitals
Military Service. See also Army and Conscription Appeals, 3175
Army Act, provisions of, 3111 Authority of Parliament, 2392, 2419, 2435, 2465, 2530, 2539, 2622, 2632, 2643, 2669, 2743, 2848, 2851, 2911, 3031, 3723 Available men, 2390, 2439, 2455, 2551, 3049, 3255, 3371
Board of selection, 2954, 5083, 5474 Burden of proof, 3318 Certificates, 3261 Classes
Calling out by, 3130, 3138, 3272
Division into, 3353
Contraventions of Act, 3324, 3360, 3579 Correspondence between Prime Minister and ex-Minister of Militia, 2434, 2446, 3086
Council, 5314
Enforcement, 2416, 2545, 2560, 2681, 2744, 2780, 3262
Examiners, medical, 6069 Exceptions, 3269, 3362, 3559 Exemptions, 2667, 2624, 2806, 2955, 3043, 3130, 3187, 3272, "3303, 3362 5417, 6002, 6068
See also under this title Classes and Persons liable for service Expenses, 3262, 3361 Great Britain, military service in, 2908 Industrial requirements, 2441, 2579, 2793, 3020
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Montreal Trades and Labour Council, 2198 Monuments, erection of, 3896, 3899 Moore, Major Rev. A. H., 1265
Moosejaw
Enlistments, 5122
Moosejaw News patronage, 2708 Morphy, Mr. H. B. (North Perth)
Army
Soldiers, voting of, 4701, 4756, 4786, 4815, 4900
Cheese manufacture, regulations, 2265 Civil Service salaries, 2013 Companies, incorporation of, 5941 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4299, 4324
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5906 Insurance, 5196
Dive Stock and Produce Bill, 4290, 5505, 5513
Military service
Classes, 3142, 3284, 3291 Exemptions, 3193, 3364 Persons liable for service, 3118 National Gallery of Canada, 5301 Pensions, 6010
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5378
Morris, Mr. James (Chateauguay)
Budget, 973
Nationalist party, 974 Free wheat, 975
The record of the Government, 975 Military Service, 2978 Newspaper article, correction of, 1775 Woman suffrage, 1523 Morton, Dr. A., position of, 5706, 5913
Mounted Police
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Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal, 4835 Mdptom, Major, position of, 4415 Muchaboom wharf, 304
Murphy, Hon. Charles (Russell)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 225
Proposed committee of inquiry, 225 Charges by ex-Minister of Militia, 226 Army medical service, 227 The Ross rifle, 223 Armstrong, S. A., 802
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Rejected men, 3100 Soldiers, voting of, 4760, 4812, 4$90 Baugh, Edward Devi, 1470, 2481 Canada Gazette, publication of, 3738 Canadian Northern railway acquisition of, 4593-4608, 4637, 4972
Cheese purchases by British Government, 1863, 2197	'
Civil Service appointments, 643, 648, 2021, 2238
Under Order in Council of Jan. 1, 1917, 3003
Promotions, 4666
Firearms in Quebec hardware stores, 5083 " Flour, alleged profit on, 5085
Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 3901 Hospital on Parliament Hill, 1228 Inland Revenue Department, estimates, 2388
Datchford, Ont., plant and buildings, sale of, 5706
Bessard, General, 365 Marlowe, Dt.-Col. F. W., 1227 MoBeod-Tellier Commission, 5251 McSpadden, Dt.-Col., 2618 Military Service, 2538 Enforcement, 2545 Dabour, attitude of, 2.543 Quebec, attitude of, 2543	-
Senate amendments, 4665 Montreal
Post office sub-station, 596 Public building, 305 Monuments, erection of, 3900 Ottawa, government land in, 1130 Parliament buildings Brick for, 337
Contract for construction of, 454 Stone for, 304
Parliamentary secretaryships, 4213 Public Works Department architect, 5104 Recruiting of British subjects in United States, 2482
Rideau canal, lighting of, 1939 Ross rifle, 228, 421
Substitute for, 1012, 1594 Valuation of factory, 1265 Taxation, income, 4131, 4649 War supplies, clothing, 3556 War-time Elections Bill, 5618, 5656, 5669, 5732, 5764
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Nicholson, Mr. Donald (Queen's, P.E.I.) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 238
Canada under Conservative rule, 238 Enlistments from Prince Edward Island, 241
Prosperity of Canada, 241, 243 Shipbuilding, 242 The French-Canadian people, 243 Military Service, 3001 Nickerson, W. H., dismissal of, 1472 Nickerson, William C., employment of, 2283 Nickle, Mr. W. F. (Kingston)
Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 838 Forestry battalions, 3951 Pensions, 1615
Canadian Northern railway acquisition of, 4587
Civil Service salaries, 2250 Industrial and scientific research, 5284 Military Hospitals Commission, 473 Military Service * Classes, 3290
Exemptions, 3203
Packages, marking of-inspection and sale, 4066
Penitentiaries, officials, 6037 Pensions, 6011, 6033 Quebec railways, 5462 Railway Act, The, 3532, 3540, 3604, 3608 Royal Military College, 5310 Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1141
Separation allowances, 382 Soldiers, returned, care of, 472 Taxation, income, 4074, 4107 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2611
War charities, 5488 War-time Elections Bill, 5753, 5837 Nixon, Mr. A. W., military position of, 6067 Non-support
See Criminal Code Amendment Bills North Battleford, government employees, 453 Northrup, Mr. W. B. (East Hastings)
Gordon Divorce Bill, 5497, 5904 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1184 Parliamentary sessions, expense of, 1261, 2524
Racing meets, limitation of, 321 North Sydney customs service, 607, 1852 Northwest Game Bill, The. lr., 2569.	2r.,
3665. Com., 2665, 4659. 3r., 4661
Nova Scotia
Electoral lists, 6068
Judge for district No. 6, 6003
Patrol service, 5423
Public works. See Public works
Ocean Telegraph Act Repeal Bill. Res., 2024. lr., 2026.	2r., 2108. Rep., 2114.	3r.,
O'Connor, Mr. W. F„ K.C. See Food: Investigation
Officers. See Army
Ogilvie Flour Mills Co., earnings and taxes
of, 198, 1818, 2389, 3677 Oil, bounties, 2329 Oil-boring machinery, 301
Oleomargarine, 304, 2202
Resolution of Montreal Labour Club, 2283
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)
Address in reply to the Governor General's
Speech, 67
Our obligations in the war, 68 Recruiting, 69-77 National service, 71
The present Administration and the war, 77
Aliens, homestead rights of, 3808 Army
Allowances, 3079 Enlistment
Alberta, in, 3373, 3375 Retarding of, 2411-2415 Unfit men, of, 4003 See, under this head, Recruiting Expeditionary force, 1816 Forestry battalions, 3951 Medical service, 3975 Officers, salutes to, 5425 Pensions, 384 Recruiting, 69
Edmonton, in, 366, 3371, 3375 Expenses, 1959 Government, 3371 Unfit men, 3107 United States, in, 3759 See, under this head, Enlistment Soldiers
Pensions, 1603, 4051 Returned, care of, 474 Separation allowances, 383, 387 Voting of, 4791, 4812, 4892-4914 Widows of, 3806
Binder twine, 2333
British Cattle Supply Company, 1817 Bruce, Dr., report of, 1343, 1525
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"The Fiddlers" forbidden circulation, 3503.
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Charities, 3489
Government, administration of, 3371 Munitions contracts, 5532 War-time Elections Bill, 5553, 5638-5702, 5816
Ways and Means-amendment to motion for second reading of resolutions, 1677 Yukon
Judges' salaries, 5897 Miners' strike, 3086
Prices and cost of living, 2199, 2237, 2481, 2525, 2945
Orangemen. See Loyal Orange Order Ottawa
Government land in, 1130 Rents paid by the Government in, 4149, 5097 Outlook Publishing Company, payments to, 607
Overseas Minister of Munitions. See War Overseas Forces, Minister of the, 5
Non-combatant employees of Department, 4786
See Minister of the Overseas Forces, etc., Bill
Overseas forces. See Army.
Pacaud, Mr. Lucien T. (Megantic)
Military Service Bill, 2916 Thetford mines labour trouble, 1113 Pacific Dredging Company, 1126 Packages, marking of. See Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bill Palmerston post office building, 1127 Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois) Lefebvre, Major Alfred, 1037, 2618, 2003 Military service, 2997 Paquet, Mr. Eugene (L'lslet)
Budget, 1297
Union and solidarity of the Canadian people, 1297
The financial position of Canada, 1298 Munitions manufacture, 1299 Development of agriculture, 1300 Food products, imports and exports of, 1573 Immigration, 803 Military service, 2789 Public health, 992 Repatriation of Canadians, 803 Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 823 Enlistments, 1125 Medical service, 3971
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Investigation into cost of foodstuffs, 1304 Plea for better Canadianism, 1307 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5136
Drawbacks, payments of, 1818 Food products, control of, 1304 Georgian Bay Canal Commission, 452 Home Defence Force, 1038 Judges on provincial commissions, 593 Lavergne, Mr. Armand, 1038 Lewis machine guns, 2201 Mackenzie, Lieut. F. J. S., 986 Military service Exemptions, 3191
Personal attitude respecting, 3721 Persons liable for service, 3127 Tribunals, 3163 National Gallery, 5303 National Service cards, 1376 New Hamburg postmaster, 6053 Parliament, extension of term of, 3481 Pensions, 6007
Post office employees-salaries, 6051, 6053
Returned soldiers, 459
Shipbuilding at Prince Rupert, 4787	'
Taxation
Income, 4118, 4638 Wealth, 2528
Traction engines, duty tin, 680 War-time Elections Act-tribunals, 6070
Paris, Ontario, recruiting in, 601
Parker, Mr. R. G. M., salary and position of, 2201 ' '
Parks, Canadian National; Jasper, 1477 Parliament
Adjournment of - Imperial War Conference, 117
Extension of term of, 15, 37, 157, 172, 175, 189, 223, 293, 2396, 3419.
Address to His Majesty the King, 3453, 3475; Div„ 3501
Proposed amendment of Mr. Graham, 3461; Div., 3483
Statement by Prime Minister-no action, 3504 Members
Military pay of, 713 Railway transportation for, 3519 Printing of, 2007, 5901
Report of Committee on, 5949 Sessions-expense of Motion for Committee to consider, 1261 Committee appointed, 1568 Joint action with Senate proposed, 2024 Reports, 2524, 5636
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Brick for, 337 Construction of, 454, 4181 Marble for, 2833 Stone for, 304
Old-destruction of-indemnities for losses, 4413'
Parliamentary Procedure
Adjournment motion for discussion of definite matter of urgent public importance
Discussion closely limited, 1176 When allowable, 5517, 5547 Appeal from ruling of Chairman, 2366 Bills
Discussion on introduction of, 4410 Discussion of subsequent to amendments being reported from Committee, 5771 * Printing of in both languages, 5550, 5559 Sections allowed to stand not debatable, 4752
Censored publications, quotation from in Parliament, 5492 Closure Applied
Canadian Northern Railway Bill, notice, 5121; carried, 5123 War-time Elections Bill. 2r., 5565, 5566. 3r„ 5806
Concurrence in resolution of Committee of Supply not debatable, 5095 See Speaker
Rules of debate under, 5002, 5015, 5121, 5123, 5565
Committee of Supply
Application of rule 17c to Saturday sittings of, 5891, 5901
Procedure in discussing items of which votes are made up, 4947 See, under this head, Concurrence Committee of Ways and Means amendments when in order Moved, 478
Chairman's ruling, 521 Resolutions from, amendment to second reading must be relevant, 1686 Concurrence in resolution of Committee of Supply-form of notice, 5095 Irrelevancy, 2362, 2374, 5235, 5237 Language reflecting on the Chair, 2567, 2609
Letter read in violation of rules of the House, not printed, 3956 Motions, debatable, 5094 Motion for delay, Speaker's ruling, 3078 Order of business, 5891, 5901
Parliamentary Procedure,-Con.
Order of the day lapsed for want of a quorum, reinstatement of, 2877 Orders of the Day-motion to read, 5703 Petitions, form for presentation of, 2284 Privilege-statement of member, how limited, 599
For Privilege, see that title Questions
Answers to, discussions on, 4959 Not in proper form, 4834 Receiving report of Committee of Supply-form of notice, 5095
Saturday sittings, Committe of Supply, how constituted in, 5890 Senate
Regularity of its proceedings not to be questioned in House of Commons, 5498 Taxation measure amended by, 5480, 5883 Sitting of House suspended, 1766 Taxation exclusive rights of House of Commons over, 5480, 5883 Votes and Proceedings, correctness of entry in, Committee to inquire into appointed, 2880. Report of, 2944 Parliamentary Secretaryships, 5
See Minister of the Overseas Forces, etc.. Bill
Paspebiac wharf, 898, 988
Paspebiac-Hopetown mail service, 1126
Passports, Atlantic, for women, 3996, 5783
Patenaude, Hon. Esioff L. (Secretary of State)
Post Office Department estimates, 660 Resignation of office, 2199, 2235 Correspondence with Prime Minister, 2494
Secretary of State Department, of the, estimates, 655
Victoria bridge toll rates, 672 Patent medicines, 1470
Classification of, 33,5 Controller of, resigns, 986 Legislation, inquiry as to proposed, 986 Regulations governing, 3817
Patent Record, printing of, 2062
Patriotic Fund. See Canadian Patriotic Fund
Patronage. See Political
Pay and Records Office, 3104
Payne, Mr., employment of, 5272
Peace
Dominions, consultation with on, 300 Proposals
President Wilson's, 103 Rumoured, 4466
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Peiagie Sealing Treaty, claims under, 5958 Penitentaries
Dorchester, 1813
Meat supplies for, 337 Guards, salaries, of, 5803 Kelly, Thomas, treatment of, 1813 See Kelli,-
Officials, salaries of, 5898, 6033 Portsmouth, 3418 Prisoners
Enlistment of, proposed, 1012, 1814 Labour of, 6036, 6040 Release of, for work on farms, 803 Report of inspector, 3419 Pennsylvania coal, embargo on, 2199 Penny Bank Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1773.
2r., Com., 3r., 2059 Pensions Military, 1594
Amount required for, 5899 Board of Commissioners and staff, 608, 4176, 4958
Canadian in Imperial forces, for, 4662, 4688
Dependents of soldiers, 4051 Erroneous announcement denied, 5423 European war, 6005 Militiamen, 6004
Patriotic Fund, agents in applications, 382
Proposed bill, 845
Inquiry concerning, 4293 Revision of scale, 5424 Naval, pilots* 6049
Royal Northwest Mounted Police, 5704 Perley, Sir George Halsey Appointment as Minister of the Overseas Forces, 5
Petroleum. See Oil Pictou (County)
Rural mail routes, 900 Pictou (Town)
Contractors for war supplies at, 303 Freight, handling of, at, 303 Marine and Fisheries agency, 304, 596, 1936 Plaxton, Mr. Charles P., position of, 4416 Point Tupper mail service, 3502 Political deadlock, rumoured, 1971
Political meetings, attendance of soldiers at, 4338
Political patronage, 203, 205, 287, 726 Recruiting, in, 86, 97, 154, 162 Pollution of streams, 454 Pommeroy, Mr. Samuel, position of, 4952
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Country postmasters, salaries of, 3634, 3642 Department
Estimates, 660, 2352, 2360, 3633, 5898, 6051
Staff and salaries, 660, 3633, 5898, 6051 Letter carriers, salaries of, 580, 1474, 1805,
Mail carriers, 2243-4, 2708 Mail clerks, French-speaking, 5272 Mail contracts, 3635 Mail matter for soldiers, 3644 Mails, misuse of, 893, 1027 Parcel post, 2072, 3634, 3639 Prisoners of war, to, 3958 Postal clerks salaries, of, 2708, 3639 Railway mail service, 2244, 3650, 4102, 6051 Registration of mail matter, 668 Rural mail service, 3634, 5898 Carriers, 2247, 3634, 3636, 3643 Routes, number of, 2247 Signs, printing of, in French and English, 5999
Potatoes. See Agriculture and Food pro
ducts
Power, Mr. William (Quebec, West)
Military Service, 2805
Pratt Brothers, payments to, 1570
Press censorship, 3503, 3654, 3718, 3881, 3995,
Prices, fixing of. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills, Food and Cold storage
Prince Edward Island
Car ferry, 2205, 2304 See also Steamship services Enlistments from, 241, 4563 Freight, handling of, 1037 Military organization, 5422 Payments to under Agricultural Instruction Act, 455
Public works. See that title Steamship service, 660, 3389
Prince Edward Island Railway. See Canadian Government railways
Prince Rupert, shipbuilding at, 4787 Princess Louise Fusiliers, 5271 Printing, Government, 3737 Prison Labour, utilization of, 6036, 6040 Prisoners. See Penitentaries and War


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Cascade Scenic Railway Company, 4365 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5496, 5541, 5902 Grain Growers Grain Co., Ltd., 1110 Grand Trunk Pacific Branch Lines Company, 1373
Imperial Order Daughters of the Empire and the Children of the Empire (Junior Branch), 5495 Mount Royal Tunnel and Terminal Co., 1110
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2590, 2609, 3865, 3955, 3980 United Grain Growers Limited, 893
Privilege, questions of
Barrette, Mr.-statement in Halifax Chronicle, 3352
Blondin, Hon. P. E.-statement in Ottawa Evening Journal, 339
Boulay, Mr.-statement in Ottawa Citizen, 2776
Bureau, Mr.-statements in Montreal Gazette, 2709, 4730
Burnham, Mr.-correction of remarks in Hansard, 869
; Clark, Mr. Michael-statements in the press, 3617
Descarries, Mr.-vote on Military Service Bill, 3846
Graham, Mr.-statement of Mr. R. B. Bennett, 804, 869
Hazen, Mr.-statement by Mr. Pugsley, 5274
Hughes, Sir Sam
Statement of Mr. Mark Irish, 2707 Statement of Mr. A. K. Maclean, 2777 Statement of Mr. Currie, 5773 Knowles, Mr.-statement in Toronto Telegram, 5085
Lafortune, Mr.-Ottawa Journal-Press, 3085
Laurier, Sir Wilfrid-statement of Sir Clifford Sifton, 4009
MacNutt, Mr.-Ottawa Journal-Press, 3656 Mondou, Mr.-statement in Montreal Gazette, 300.4
Neely, Mr.-statement by Sir Clifford Sifton, 5774
Oliver, Hon. Frank-statement in L'Evene-ment, 434
Pugsley, Hon. William Mr. Justice Landry? 3109 Statements of the Prime Minister, 3609


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Provincial governments, duties payable by, 2119, 2129
Provincial prohibitory legislation. Bill in aid of, lr., 4192; 2r. and Com., 4395; 3r„ 4405; Senate amendments, 5514 See also Intoxicating liquors, Prohibition and Canada Temperance Act
Public health, proposed department of, 992
Public Service Committee, recommendations of, 3633
Public Service Loan Bill. Res., 242. lr., 353. 2r„ 435. Com., 435.	3r., 476
Public Works
Buildings
Alberta, 5312
British Columbia, 1126, 5312 Generally, 4147, 5314 Manitoba, 5311 Nova Scotia, 4145
Ontario, 4146, 5309, 5412. See Ottawa Quebec, 1935, 4145, 5309 Saskatchewan, 4146, 5312 Department
Automobile, purchase of, 2480 Estimates, 652, 1935, 3867, 3882, 4145, 4181, 5096, 5304, 5314, 5362 Staff and salaries, 3893, 5104 Dredging
British Columbia, 5359 Dredge Cape Breton, loss of, 596, 668, 1024, 3881 Dredge No. 6, 5404 Generally, 5096
Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, 3887
Maritime Provinces, 5359 Ontario and Quebec, 3886, 5359 See, under this title, Harbours and Rivers Dry docks. See Dry Docks Subsidies Act Amendment Bill Expenditure 1916-17, 1038 Harbours and Rivers
British Columbia, 3885, 5304, 5357 Manitoba, 5356
New Brunswick, 3872, 4185, 5347, 5411, 5890
Nova Scotia, 3866, 5314
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Publication Committee, 5791
Pugsley, Hon. William (St. John City) Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 286
The political situation, 286 Returned soldiers and political patronage, 287
Administration of military affairs under late Minister of Militia, 287 Utilization of our natural resources, 291 Shipbuilding, 292 The Dorchester campaign, 293 Canada's naval policies, 293 Extension of term of Parliament, 293 Imperial War Conference, 294 Army
Desertions, 3111 Discharges, purchase of, 3112 Enlistments, 2647 Soldiers
Returned, employment of, 3846, 6057 Voting of, 2651, 4689-4736, 4740-4786, 4808-4834, 4874-4887, 4889-4914 165th Regiment, 1725 Bathurst harbour improvements, 3872 Budget, 863, 870
Trade conditions, 863 Free wheat, 864, 870 The Minister of Inland Revenue, 879 Amendment of Mr. Turriff, 881 Canadian Government railways Branch lines, 2228, 2232 Cars for, 4928
Employees, promotion of, 762 Intercolonial railway
Coal, freight rates on, 3511 Maritime Express service, 8 Passenger service, 2207 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4230, 4248, 4486, 4837, 4990-5015, 5108 Capital punishment, 631 Civil servants, enlisted-pay and separation allowances, 664, 2252 Civil Service
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Maritime Provinces, in, 4063, 5085 Transportation of, 4138 Coastal regulations, 1912 Conscription, 1555
United States citizens, of, 1743 Criminal Code amendments, jurors, 4293, 4334
Customs, duties payable by provincial governments, 2121, 2133 Daylight saving, 2945
Divorced persons, re-marriage of, 46, 1383, 1524
Dominion Lands Act Amendment, 3796 Dredging, 5096 Drill halls, control of, 4146 Dry docks, 4455, 5772, 5888, 5947 Fish and fisheries	.
Licenses, 2150 Lobsters, 4171 Sardine fisheries, 4168 Flint, Dr., retirement of, 6044 Food control, 2091 Free wheat, 864, 870 Fuel, 1421
Game in the Northwest, 3670 Grosse Isle quarantine station, 5306 Hansard, correction of statement in, 6067 Members' sessional indemnity, 6048 Morning sittings, 2619 Stenographers, 5788 Hudson Bay railway, 5086 Immigration, 2141, 2146 Imperial Munitions Board, imports, 1978 Imperial War Conference, visit of Prime Minister to, 1561 Indian lands, 1908 Insurance, 3849, 3864, 4138, 5198 Landry, Mr. Justice, findings of, 3109, 3809, 5265
See under this title, McLeod-Tellier Lighthouse keepers' salaries, 6049 Live stock exchanges, 5504 Loans to farmers, 1962 Loans, public ($100,000,000), 342 Mail contracts, 3635
McLeod-Tellier Commission, 5245, 5265 See under this title, Landry, Mr. Justice Military Service, 2642, 3254 Appeals, 3175, 3181 Classes, 3144, 3287 Definitions, 3111 Enforcement, 2651 Enlistments, voluntary, 2647 Exemptions, 3209, 3213


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National Service Commission, remuneration to officials of, 309, 457 Newspaper reports, correction of, 5273 Order of the day, reinstatement of, 2877 Ottawa public buildings Rents paid by Government, 4149, 5097 Telephone service, 4147 Overseas Military Forces, Minister of,. 4446 Packages, marking of-inspection and sale,-4065 Parcel post, 2072
Parliament, extension of term of, 3468, 3475 Parliamentary secretaryships, 4452 Peace proposals, 300 Potatoes, removal of duty on, 703 Provincial legislators, free transportation for, 684
Public Works Department
Estimates and expenditure, 3871, 5414, 5306, 5413
Quebec, railways, operating expenses of, 5452
Railway Act, The, 606
Railways, material for use in France, 1826 St. John harbour improvements, 3875, 5349, 5413
Shipbuilding, 665, 703, 1371, 1551, 1775, 19121928, 2293, 5432-5452 Soldier Settlement Board, 3618 Steamship services, 2292 Supply, voting one-sixth for 1917-18, 2946 Supreme Court, allowances to Chief Just tice, 6050 Taxation
Business profits, 1636 Income, 4089 Wealth. 3471, 3475
Telegraph and telephone service, 5364, 5401 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2616
Toronto News, statement of, 4959 [DOT] Vancouver harbour improvement, 5304 Volunteers to operate trains in France, position of, 5123 War charities, 5482 War supplies Munitions, 5527 Ross Rifle, 501
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Wealth, conscription of, 3471, 3475 Woman suffrage, 309, 672, 759, 1482, 1521, 1594 1627, 4958
Pugsley, .Lieut. J. A., position of, 4895 Pulp and paper
Newsprint, fixing of price of, 1302 Quarantine service, 3756 Quebec (City)
Firearms in hardware stores, 5083 Harbour master, 897 Immigration agents, 5122 Quebec (Province)
Bridges, 3889 Electoral lists, 6002 Judges' salaries, 5798 Military districts Nos. 3 and 10, 455 Public Works. See that title Recruiting in, 94, 112, 119, 127, 147, 160, 185, 213, 221, 342, 363, 2398, 2424, 2515 Officers, recruiting of, 3135 See Military Service Bill and French Canadian
Quebec Montmorency and Charlevoix Railway, completion and operation of. 4948, 5452
Quebec and Oriental railway, 1674 Quebec and Saguenay railway Bondholders, 669
Completion and operation of, 303, 668, 1575, 4948, 5452 Expenditure, 1658
Legislation concerning, proposed, 458 Quebec Harbour Advances Bill. Res., 435.
lr„ 438. 2r„ 577. Com., 577. 3r., 578 Quebec Harbour Commission, 436 Racing Form, The, exclusion from mails of, 306, 336, 896
Racing meets, limitation of. See Criminal Code Amendment Bills Radiotelegraph service. See Telegraphs, also Ocean Telegraph Act Railway Act Amendment Bills
1.	Bill No. 13, Mr. Cochrane, general, lr.,
194; 2r., 602; special committee, 602; motion to amend, stands, 605; com., 3420, 3511, 3592, 3716; 3r., 3740
2.	Bill No. 18, Mr. McCraney, free transportation for provincial legislators, lr., 300. 2r., 685. Ref. to Railway Com., 685 Railway Commission, 1862, 3407 Railway mail clerks. See Post office Railways	*
Alleged advance to Company, 2100 Bridges, 3889
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Confiscation of, by, 584 Handling of, by, 3395, 3402 Constables, 3599
Employees, payment of salaries of, 5956 Expenditure on, 2233 Fires from locomotives, 3552, 3602 French language, printing of literature in, 3511
Material, removal of to France, 310, 335, 1229, 1266, 1372, 1473, 1474, 1615, 1628, 1690, 1820, 3407, 3409, 5293 Overdue trains, notice of, 3594 Situation, 2219, 2221, 4011, 4058, 4217, 4247, 4467, 4512, 4566, 4622, 4835 Cost of inquiry into, 3408 Traffic, congestion of, 587
For Canadian Government railways, see that title
For individual railways, see their titles Railways and Canals Department	*
Estimates, staff and salaries, 2202, 3385, 3402, 4925, 4928, 5428 Steamers purchased by, 669 Rainbow, His Majesty's Canadian Ship, 457, 1472
See Naval Service
Rainville, Mr. Joseph H. (Deputy Speaker) Emigration to the United States, 3285 Military service Classes, 3285
Exemptions, 3189, 3194, 3218 Farmers, of, 6002 See Deputy Speaker
Ralston, Major J. L., position and pay of, 6067	'
Rankin, Captain Ramsay, position of, 987 Recruiting. See Army
For recruiting by localities, see names of localities
Reid, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Customs) Canadian Government railways Intercolonial, management of, 769 Passenger service, 2207 Promotion of employees, 769 Quebec, 4948, 5452, 5458 Civil Service appointments, 644, 1023 Coal, confiscation of by railways, 585 Customs
Crown goods, duties payable on, 19781985, 2119
Departmental estimates, staff and salaries, 643, 1843, 1881, 5098,- 5777 Disposal of unclaimed goods, 3743


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Authority of Parliament, 2703 Enlistment in Quebec, 2704 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5380 Robinson, Captain J. T., appointment of, 1377 Roche, Hon. W. J. (Minister of the Interior) Agricultural labourers from the United States, 1194
British Columbia Indian Commission, 653 Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bill, 159, 2832, 3793-3817 Farm labour, 3507
Frank, Alta., moving of residences at, 4919 French-Canadians in the United States, 4914
Game in the Northwest, 3665, 4659 Homestead regulations, 1741, 1747 Immigration Agents, 1738 Chinese, 843, 2139 Department estimates, 4914 Regulations, 449, 525 Indians, 2340, 2349
Department estimates, 1886 Sydney reserve, 3663 See Indians Interior Department
Employees, political activities of, 2350 Estimates, 652, 1344, 1735 French-speaking employees of, 2341 Orders in Council relating to, 6000 Migratory birds, 2525, 3657 Seed grain collections, 2352 Soldier Settlement Act, administration of, 4917
Soldier Settlement Board, 686, 1157, 2653, 3618, 3779
Surveys, 1345, 1735
United States' head tax on Canadians, 892 Rogers, Lt.-Col. Maynard, salary of, 1818 Rogers, Hon. Robert (Minister of Public Works) '
Dry docks, 4456, 5915
Ottawa Citizen, statement of, 599
Public works
Buildings, 4145, 4181
Department: estimates, staff and salaries,, 3866, 3882, 3893, 4145, 4181, 5104 Harbours and rivers, 3866, 3882, 4187 Roads and bridges, 3888 Resignation from the Cabinet, 4736 Ross, Mr. Duncan C. (West Middlesex) Army
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Assistants to Food Controller, 4244 Industrial and scientific research, 5284 Military service, 3041 Army Act regulations, 3113 Exemptions, 3224 Persons liahje for service, 3126 Tribunals, 3170 Taxation
Income, 4652 Wealth, 3045
Unclaimed bank balances, 1001 War supplies, horses, 453 War-time Elections Bill, 5677, 5687 William Davies Co., 4151 Ross rifle. See War supplies Rouville county mail carrier, 608 Roy, Judge L. R„ payments to, 1130 Royal Assent, The, 603, 3766, 5084 Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, 5304 Royal Military College, 5310 Royal Mint, Ottawa branch, 1474 Royal Naval College, 4163 Royal Northwest Mounted Police Pensions, 5704
Salaries and contingencies, 4147 Saskatchewan and Alberta, duties in, 301, 335
Subsistence, etc., 4667 Ruisseau le Blanc breakwater, 898 Russell, Mr. T. A., purchase of motor trucks by, 266, 280 Salt. See Fish
Salter, R. J., payments to, 1472 Sand Point wharf, 5316
Sauve, Pte. James, application of for pension, 5776
Savings banks, deposits in, 4685 St. Charles de Caplan wharf, 898 St. Charles river dam, 2525 St. Jerome post office, 899 St. John and Quebec Railway Act Amendment Bill. lr„ 2433.	2r., Com., 3r.,
St. John harbour improvements, 3875, 4185, 5347, 5411, 5890
St. Lawrence Flour Mills Company, Government contracts with, 4509 Sainte Luce. Changing of name, 673 St. Maurice river improvements, 1381 St. Peter's canal, 3406
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Railway Act, The, 3443, 3543, 3546, 3605 Telegraphs and telephones, 3543, 3546 Shaw, F. D., dismissal of, 1847 Sherbrooke exhibition grounds, 302 Shigawake post office, 898 Shigawake East post office, 988 Shipbuilding
British Government, for, 4164 Canadian-built ships, 591 Prince Rupert, at, 4787 Railway Department, for, 4939, 5429 See Marine
Shipping. See Marine and Transportation Shore, George, suspension of sentence on, 1373
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Guysborough)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 150
The fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 150
The winning of the war, 151 Canadian soldiers at the front, 152 Military record of the Government, 152 The Ross rifle, 154 Political patronage, 154 Commandeering of ships, 155 Small arms ammunition, 156 Extension of term of Parliament, 157 Army
Casualties, July, 1917, 4151 Enlistments, July, 1917, 4151 Medical service, 3969 Officers, surplus of, 3102 Recruiting, 2884
Soldiers, age of on enlisting, 4001 Canada Temperance Act, 5243 Canadian Government railways, ice for, 301 See, under this title, Intercolonial Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 4600, 4872, 5061
Civil servants, enlisted, pay and separation allowances to, 663 Civil Service, 649
Appointments under sec. 21, 607, 1023, 1351, 1937
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Returns, delay in bringing down of, 137S Ross rifle, 154, 425, 451	#
Rural mail service, 5898 St. John harbour works, 5896 Salt for fish curing, 1027, 2290 Sand Point wharf, 5316 Savings banks deposits, 4685 Shipbuilding, 1671, 1923, 5434, 5452 Small arms ammunition, 156, 2480 Soldiers, returned, appointment of, 6059 Soldier's Cove wharf, 5337 Sonora preventive officers, 4244 Steam trawlers, 300 Steamship services, 2288, 2300 Steele, Arthur, dismissal of, 338 Submarine situation, 1328 Superannuation payments, 595 Technical education, 1247 Telegraph and telephone lines, 5371 Toronto water-borne traffic, 454 Tracadie Inland Revenue officer, 1817 War-time Elections Bill, 5567, 6081 Welland canal, 3404 Wells, Clarence, 2480
White, N. W., payments to, 1038	.
Whitehead life saving station, 1469 Small Arms Ammunition. See War supplies Smith, Pte. J. I„ discharge of, 3418 Smith, Mr. William (South Ontario)
Army, casualties, 2201 Cattle, British embargo on, 923 National Service cards, 2479 Railway Act, The, 3442 jmith's Falls postmaster, 1570 Soldiers. See Army Soldiers' Settlement Board Advances to soldiers, 4918 Commissioners, 4917
Soldier Settlement Board Bill. Res., 1157, 2653, 3618. lr., 3630.	2r., 3779.	3r.,
Sonora preventive officers, 4244 Sorel, strike at, 1912, 1935 South African Wai-Canadian contingent, 2200
Speaker (Hon. Edgar N. Rhodes), rulings and statements of
Adjournment motions, when in order, 5517, 5547
Amendments ruled out not subsequently debatable, 1686 Bills
Not debatable in detail on motion for leave to introduce, 4410 Printing of in both languages, 5550
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Censored publications, quotations from in Parliament, 5944 Closure
Bill reported amended, amendments not debatable; Rule 17A overrides Rule 56, 5771
Concurrence in resolution of Committee of Supply not debatable, 5095 Crown property, Bills to dispose of, must have Crown's consent, for third reading, 1157
Fliht, Dr., retirement of, 6044 House of Commons Estimates, 2359, 5784 Officials, 5786 Interjections, 2596 Irrelevancy, 444, 5478
Language reflecting on the Chair to be withdrawn, 2567
Letters from persons outside referring to House proceedings not to be quoted, 3956
Member must take his seat when Speaker addresses House, 4410 Motions dealing with questions already before House, 1017, 1022, 1150 Motions, irregular
Repetition of matters disposed of, 1867 Substantial repetition of notice of motion standing on order paper, 1490, 1508, 1523
Taxation, to levy, without recommendation by the Crown, 3078, 4648 Order of the day, reinstatement of, 2878,
Orders of the Day, on, extended remarks irregular, 665, 804
Petitions, form for presentation of, 2284 Privilege, statements under to be confined to denial of matters complained of, 599, 3612, 3614, 3616 Questions and answers Answers not debatable, 4959 Questions not to contain allegation of fact or inuendo, 4834 Quorum, absence of, 2877 Reply, privilege of, confined to mover of substantive motion, 1880 Order of speakers varied by unanimous consent, 1015
Rules, lenient interpretation not to establish a precedent, 3078 Saturday sittings, Committee of Supply, how constituted (Rule 17C), 5891 Senate proceedings, regularity of not to be questioned in House, 5498
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"A man who was ashamed, Sir, of what he was doing," 5587 "Vile motives," 4313
Votes and Proceedings, error, not immediately discovered, referred to special committee, 2880 Ways and Means, amendment to second reading of resolution reported from Committee must be relevant, 1686 See also Deputy Speaker and Parliamentary procedure
Spence, Andrew, position of, 1472
Spittal, Lt.-Col. C. D., dismissal of, 645, 651, 1127
Spotten, Judge, 1127
Stanfield, Mr. John (Colchester)
Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 823 Medical service, 3984
Government railways, promotion of employees, 765
Stayner public building, 5412
Steamers utilized by British Government,
the C. E. Tanner, 5362
Steamship services
Australia and New Zealand, 2285 Canada
British Columbia, 2299 Magdalen Islands, 2302, 2326 New Brunswick, 2292, 2297, 2323 Nova Scotia, 2286, 2299, 2300, 2304, 2319 Prince Edward Island, 2303, 2319, 3389, 3945
Quebec, 2299, 2318, 2325 China and Japan, 2298	[DOT]
France, 2307
Great Britain, 2285, 2291, 2297 Ireland, 2292 Newfoundland, 2286, 2291 South Africa, 2291 South America, 2287 United States, 2299 West Indies, 2287
See also Transportation
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Army, soldiers, voting of, 1383, 4825 Canadian Association of Stationary Engineers, 1198 Cheese purchases, 2258 - Coal, shortage of, 83	.
Cold storage, 2079 Gordon Divorce Bill, 5496 Imperial Order Daughters of the Empire, 5495
Public health, proposed department of, 992 Railway Act, The, 3442, 3452 Scientific and industrial research, 3909
Stefansson expedition, 4173
Stellarton, N.S.
Postmaster, 669, 897, 3758 Public building, 4951
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 62
Our troops at the front, 62 Reply to criticisms of Mr. Macdonald, 62 The Ross rifle, 63 National Service Commission, 64 The smelting and refining of ores, 66 Care of returned soldiers, 67 Army, soldiers, voting of, 4749 Canadian Northern Railway acquisition of, 4965
Enlistment, 2421-2428 Fisheries, proposed ministry of, 2029 Grain for breweries and distilleries, 1182 Indians, Kitsilano Reserve, 1902 Military Service, 2421
Enlistment, interference with, 2421 Labour's attitude, 2426 Quebec's attitude, 2424, 2428 Referendum, 2427 National Service Commission, 64 Ross rifle, 63 Shipbuilding, 5445 Telephone lines, 5402 Wealth, conscription of, 2427 Woman suffrage, 1522	_
Stewart, Mr. T. J. (West Hamilton)
Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2590, 2609, 3865, 3955, 3980 Tractor engines, duty on, 680 Submarine situation, 1320 Sulphur, United States embargo on export of, 4889
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Supply, committee of, 353, 578-584, 643-663, 1112-1124, 1166-1176, 1344-1361, 17351766, 1790-1815, 1835-1862, 1881-1912, 1912-1956, 1989-2006, 2061-2099, 21492183, 2202-2235, 2255-2282, 2285-2320, 2323-2364, 2359-2388, 3385-3399, 34023417, 3633-3654,	3687-3716, 3737-3740,
3740-3757, 3817-3844, 3866-3881, 38823902,	3949-3955,	3962-3979,	3980-4008,4044-4058, 4145-4150, 4157-4191, 46664684, 4914-4926, 4928-4951, 5098-5108, 5205-5242, 5242- 5270, 5275-5314, 53145360,	5362-6415,	5428-5474, 5777-5805,
5890, 5892-5900, 5948, 5997, 6004-6060 For details see titles of departments and subjects
Supreme Court Act and Exchequer Court Act amendment Bill. lr., 2568; 2r., Com., 3r„ 3630
Surveys, 1345, 1357	,
Astronomical, 4917 Generally, 1345, 1357, 3898 Geological, 4179 Hydrographic, 4173 Indian Lands, 1894 International, 1735
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford) Army camps, sale of liquor in, 829 Coalition government, 2690 Flour, price of, 1080 Live stock purchases, 2280 Military service, 2682 Classes, 3282
Quebec, recruiting in, 2685 Referendum, 2692 Railway Act, The, 3545, 3547 Railways, government operation of, 2234 Rural mail carriers, 3636 Soldier Settlement Board, 3786 Soldiers, behaviour of, 5234 Soldiers, votes for, 1395 Telegraphs and telephones, 3545 War-time Elections Bill, 5685, 5860 Women Suffrage, 1477
Swiss Army manoeuvres, attendance of Canadian officers at, 5219
Sydney
Harbour improvements, 5342 Industrial sites, 3956
Tanner, C. E., Steamer or Motor Boat, 5362
Tariff. See Customs and Customs Tariff Act
Taxation. Senate amendment of taxation measure no precedent, 5476 Special
Business profits, 719, 727, 737, 745, 750, 959, 965, 1432, 1437, 1447, 1628, 2107 Comparative statement, 2508 Cost of collecting, 4686
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Hudson's Bay Co., lands, 986 Patent medicines, 363 Use made of funds obtained by, 4177 Wealth, 2453, 2469,-2508, 2528, 2576, 2587, 2597, 2608, 2671, 2728, 2859, 3045 See Wealth, Conscription of
Tayior, Mr. James D. (New Westminster) Army
Medical service, 3981 Non-commissioned officers, 1608, 3999 Officers, employment of, 565 Recruiting, 565 Soldiers Pensions, 1607 Voting of, 4703, 4757-4786 Fraser river dredging, 5357 Hindu immigration, 2145 Military service, 3145, 3275 Thomson, Mr. Levi, reply to statement of, 1370
Taylor, Lt.-Col. J. D., M.P., payments to, 986
Technical Education, 1229
See Industrial and Scientific Research.
Telegraphs, telephones and radiotelegraphs
Government lines
Alberta and Saskatchewan, 3892, 5393 British Columbia, 3893, 5365, 5395, 5410 Manitoba, 5411 Magdalen Islands cable, 5407 New Brunswick, 5379 Nova Scotia, 5362 Prince Edward Island, 5407, 5411 Quebec, 5384 Telephones for, 4147 Ocean service, 2024, 2108 Provisions governing, 3542, 3546 Radiotelegraph service, 4159 Subsidies, 3892 West India cable, 2339
Temiscouata mail contract, 335
"The Fiddlers," circulation of forbidden, 3503, 3654, 3718, 3881, 3955, 4059, 5942
Thetford Mines, labour trouble at, 590, 606, 1113
Thoburn, Mr. William (North Lanark) Gordon Divorce Bill, 5909 Military service, 3358 Postmasters, salaries of, 3642 Technical education, 1238
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Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Game in the Northwest, 3668 Yukon, cost of living in, 2571 Thompson, Dr. Alfred, M.P., employment and
salary of, 5083
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Army, soldiers' pay, 3216 Budget, 976
The duty on-farm machinery, 977 Inequalities in the tariff, 979 Free wheat, 982	*
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5143
Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3811 Free wheat, 982 Military service, 2993 Exemptions, 3193, 3225 Railway transportation for Members of Parliament, 3521, 3523 Soldier Settlement Board, 3629 Thornton, Mr. Charles J. (Durham)
Packages, marking of,-inspection and sale,-4066
Railway Act, The, 3544 Telegraphs and telephones, 3544 Three Rivers
Harbour improvements, 3879 Public buildings, 668 Titus, Private John, 2237
Tobin, Mr. Edmund W. (Richmond and Wolfe)
Bromptonville postmaster, 1129 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5052
Horses for war purposes, 1123 Military service, 2810 Militia Department motor cars, 2525 Ross rifle, 2054	.
Telegraph and telephone lines, 5388 Wool, exportation of, 1130 Toronto water-borne traffic, 454 T racadie
Inland Revenue officer, 1817 Railway siding, 2618 Tractor engines, duty on, 674 Trade and Commerce
Agents and commissioners, 2326 Department of
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Lake and ocean freight rates, 3715 Legislators, for, 4935
Problems, report of Royal Commission on, ' 1012
Terminal facilities, 4189
See also Marine, Railways, Shipbuilding, and Steamship Services Tremain, Lieut.-Col. H. B., M.P., pay and allowances to, 608, 1472 Trent canal, 759, 2206, 3405, 3417 Trenton, N.S., contractors for war supplies at, 303
Truax, Mr. R. E. (South Bruce) Brampton-Palestine mail route, 590 Military Service Bill, 3048 Royal Mint, Ottawa branch, 1474 Turgeon, Mr. Onesiphore (Gloucester)
Army-dental corps, 4008 Budget, 1108, 1194, 1201 Government railways, 1108 Canada's prosperity, 1195 Taxation, 1197, 1201 Protection or free trade, 1197 Conservative and Liberal policies contrasted, 1203
Duty on potatoes and flour, 1204 Free wheat, 1205 The shipping industry, 1206 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5029
Caraquet and South Shore railway, 3387
Flour, duty on, 1204
Free wheat, 1205
Goldman, Mr. I., 4510
Insurance, 4390
Intercolonial railway, operation of, 795 Lobsters, 2050 Military service, 2667 Classes, 3354 Exceptions, 3572
Overseas Military Forces, Minister of, 4434 Potatoes, duty on, 1204 Salt, shortage of, 1319
Senate, proposed change in constitution of, 1143
Shipbuilding, 1931 Shipping industry, 1206 Soldiers, returned appointment of to government positions, 1858 Soldiers, votes for, 1394 Taxation-business profits, wealth, income, 1197, 1201, 2671 War-time Elections Bill, 5557
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Address in reply to the Governor General's	Mails, alleged misuse of, 893, 1027
Speech, 175	Matthews, Mr. L,, 1228
The fiftieth anniversary of Confedera-	Military service, 3719
tion, 175	Exemptions, 3192, 3272
Extension of term of Parliament, 175	National service, 191
National government, 177	O'Connor, Mr. W. F., report of, 3751
Taxation of war profits, 178	Palmerston post office, 1127
The Nationalist party, 179	Parliament, extension of term of, 189
Recruiting in Quebec, 185	Patent records, 2063
Enlistment of Canadians, 187	Pensions, revision, 5424
The manufacture of munitions, 188	Potatoes for seed, 1473
Cost of the war to Canada, 189	Proportional representation, 902
Extension of term of Parliament, 189	Quebec and Saguenay railway, 1658
Increased production, 190	Railway Department estimates, 3410
National service, 191	Robinsont J. T., 1377
Recruiting from the Civil Service, 192	Ross rifle, 193, 489
The Ross rifle, 193	Saskatchewan coal miners' strike, 3237
Aliens, naturalization of, 3814	Senate, proposed change in constitution of,
Anderson, Mr. Daniel, 1265	1137
Army	Smith, Pte. J. I., 3418
Officers, surplus of, 3103	Soldier Settlement Board, 3779
Rejected men, 3099	Spotten, Judge, 1127
Ashcroft mail service, 668	Taxation
Assistant Deputy Minister of Labour, sus-	Business profits, 178, 750, 1458
pension of, 687 ^	Income, 1463
Beans for seed, 1473	Tractor engines, duty on, 678
Blow, Dr., payments to, 668	National Transcontinental railway, oper-
Budget, 746	ation of, 657
Trade relations with Great Britain, 746	War
Free wheat, 747, 750	Prisoners of, parcels to, 3958
Government expenditure, 747	Prosecution of the, 1591
Taxation of business profits, 750	War-time Elections Bill, 5711, 5836
Revenue of Canada, 755	Woman suffrage, 1518
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5026	Turner, General, appointment of, 268, 279
Civil Service	Turner, Mr. Harvey, position of, 1469
Disfranchisement of Civil servants, pro-	Union Government
posed, 2020	See Coalition Government; National
Recruiting from, 192	Government
Daylight saving, 3684	
Dominion Lands Act amendment, 3798	United Mines Workmen of Nova Scotia, 802
Farm labour for western Canada, 3504	
Flour, price of, 1070	British subjects in, recruiting of, 2482, 3904
Food Control, 1999, 3751	Declaration of war bv. 610
Fuel. 1414	
Grain Breweries and distilleries, for, 1180	Exodus of Canadians to, 3285
	Farm labourers from, 665, 1740, 1747, 1193,
Commission, 1381	4512
Elevators, 3707	French Canadians in, 4914
Grading of, 1265.	Head tax on foreigners entering, 892, 1266
Rust in, 2063	Tariff
Wheat	Changes in, 1264
Free, 747, 756	Wheat, on, 1342
Surplus, purchase of, 1126	Troops, training of, in Canada, 2482
United States tariff on. 1342		
Hobbs, Mr. Hugh, 1228	Universal Radio Syndicate Limited. See
Loans to farmers, 1968	Ocean Telegraph Act
Lockhart, Mr. Hugh, 1265	Urquhart, Mr. Hector, dismissal of, 5367
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Amendments proposed :	Sir Wilfrid
Laurier, 5576; lost on div., 5628. Mr. Pugsley, 5629; lost on div., 5635. Mr. Neely, 5650; lost, 5659. Mr. McCraney, 5659; lost on div., 5660. Mr. Lapointe, lost on div., 5770. Mr. Neely, 5824; lost on div., 5879 Senate amdts., 6071
War-time Elections Act
Female enumerators, 6071 Polling Divisions, 6070 Qualifications of voter, 6092 Tribunals, candidates for federal elections serving on, 6070
Washington Conference, Canadian delegates to, 1127
Waterford, N. S., explosion at, 5775
Ways and Means, Committee of, 584, 1436, 1445, 1628, 3760, 5242, 6061 Amendment, Mr. Oliver, 1677 See Budget and Taxation
Wealth, Conscription of
Amendments to address for extension of term of Parliament, Mr. Graham. 3641, 3471, 3480
Statement by Finance Minister, 3187 See Taxation
Webb, Lieutenant, position of, 4563
Webster, Mr. John (Brockville)
Army, 122nd Battalion, 5083 Budget, 953
The dairying industry, 953 Canada's part in the war, 956 Cheese, manufacture and sale of, 2268 Packages, marking of-inspection and sale. 4068
Weichel, Mr. William G. (North Waterloo) Military Service Bill, 2801 National Transcontinental Railway, ties, 455
War-time Elections Bill, 5832
Weights and measures, inspection of, 2383. 3842
Welland canal
Construction of, 2206, 3402, 4925 Dynamiters of, 4926
West Edmonton forest rangers and homestead inspectors, 1476
Western Canada, farm labour for, 3504
Wheat. See Grain
White, Rev. Ward, position of, 3903
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Reply to statements of Sir Sam Hughes, 272
War expenditure, 274 Proposed Minister of Overseas Services, 277, 279
Appointment of General Turner, 279, 280 Purchase of motor trucks and transports, 280
Canada and the war, 282 Army
Camps, sale of liquor in, 818 Medical service, commission of inquiry into, 542
Soldiers, life insurance of, 3589 Officers, unattached, 563 Beans, duty on, 671 Bran and shorts, duty on, 1870 British Government and Canadian Pacific Railway Financial arrangement Bill. 1369, 2059 Budget, 718, 937
National income and expenditure, 718 War expenditure, 718 Income taxation, 719 Taxation of business profits, 719 War loans, 720 Trade of Canada, 721 Free wheat, 937 Amendment of Mr. Oliver, 949 Business Profits War Tax, 5290 Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of. 4011, 4217, 4247-4287, 4467, 4595-4620; 4622-4638, 4835-4873, 4960-5015, 5154 Canadian Pacific railway-Bill to facilitate financial arrangements, etc., 1369, 2059 Civil Service
Enlistments from, 2014, 2253.
Promotions, 2010 Salaries, 2008, 2238
Civil Service Act amendment, 2008, 2238 Customs Tariff Act amendment, proposed, 1689
Enlistment, voluntary, 2583 Finance, Department of, estimates, 1790, 1796
Flour, price of, 1053, 1088 Fuel, 1419
Grand Trunk Pacific railway, loan to, 5292 Rails, removal of from, 5296 Hughes, Sir Sam, reply to statement of. 3110
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Canada's position, 2584 Our duty to the men at the front, 2585 Conscription of wealth, 2587 Referendum proposals, 2589 Income War Tax Bill
See, under this title, Taxation Inland Revenue Department estimates, 2381, 3832
Insurance, 1724, 2100
Life insurance of soldiers, 3589 Insurance Act Amendment Bills, 3848, 4138, 5196
Loans to farmers, 1960 Loans, public, 720
$100,000,000 for Public Service, 342, 435, 4957
Amount received and commission paid, 4957
McNab, Colin C., 579 Members, deceased, tributes to, 5 Motor trucks, purchase of, 280 National Gallery of Canada, 5301 Newsprint paper, 757, 1646 Penny Bank Act, 2061 Pensions, 845
Denial of erroneous statement, 5423 Proportional representation, 908 Quebec and Saguenay railway, 1658	-
Railway, situation in Canada, 4011, 4058 Recruiting, retarding of, 3110 Senate, appointments to, 930 Shipbuilding, 666
Imperial Munitions Board contracts, 1661 Soldier Settlement Board, 3788	.
Supply, vote for three months, 2946 Tariff revision, 1689
Taxation measures; Senate amendment no precedent, 5476 Taxation
Business profits, 178, 719, 1438, 1635, 2108 Returns by business concerns, 4246 Income, 719, 1441, 1449, 1631, 3760, 3768, 4070, 4102, 4126, 4638 Wealth, 2587
Toronto Globe, correction of editorial in, 2707
Unclaimed bank balances, 1004 United Grain Growers, Limited, 894 War charities, 5424, 5481 War expenditure, 718 War finance, vote of $500,000,000, 542 War supplies for British Government, 4953, 5522
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Whitehead life-saving station, 1469 Williams Head quarantine station, 5312 Wilcox, Mr. Oliver J. (North Essex)
Racing meets, limitation of, 8, 313*
Toronto Globe-correction of statement in, 47
Tractor engines, duty on, 676 Wilfrid C., vessel, 4062
William Davies Co., 4151 See Food Investigation Wilson, Mr. Charles A. (Laval)
Canadian Northern railway, acquisition of, 5069
Criminal Code amendment, jurors. 4300, 4326
Military Service Bill, 2925 Contraventions of Act, 3328 Exemptions, 3303 Quebec, recruiting in, 2926 Penitentiaries, salaries of guards, 5303 Potato consignments, 607 Railway Act, The, 3444, 3447 Ships built in Canada, 591 Soldiers, voting of, 4722 Taxation, income, 4073 Wilson, Mr. Gordon C. (Wentworth)
Address in reply to the Governor General's Speech, 5
Canada and the war, 9 Tribute to deceased Member, 10 Provision for returned soldiers, 10 National service, 10 Canada's financial stability, 11 Fiftieth anniversary of Confederation, 11 Toronto, Hamilton and Buffalo railway, 2610
Windsor, N.S.
Tribune building, 1380 Wharf repairs, 1380
Windsor, Ontario, immigration officers, 2357 Windsor Junction, N.S., mail service, 5913 Wireless telegraph. See Telegraphs Woman suffrage
Enfranchisement under War-time Elections Bill, 5416
Pugsley, Mr., motion and amendments by Notice stands, 309; /postponed, 672, 759 Amendment to motion of Mr. Sutherland, 1488
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Sutherland, Mr., motion of, 1477, 1627 Borden, Sir Robert, amendment of, 1508 Inquiry by Mr. Pugsley, 4958
Women
Atlantic passports for, 3996, 5783 Munition workers, 4063
Wood, Lieutenant, position of, 4563 Wool, exportation of, 1130
Wright, Mr. William (Muskoka)
Grain, 5208
Wheat, fixing price of, 3694, 3703 Live stock exchanges, 5512 Public Works Department estimates, 5335 Railway Act, The, 3514
Wright, Mr. W.-Con.
Railway transportation for Members of Parliament, 3521	,
Soldier Settlement Board, 3629 Woman suffrage, 1479 Yarmouth harbour improvements, 3870 Year Book, Canada, 2337 Yukon territory, 1736 Administrator, 5122 Commissioner of, 3677 Expenditure, 592 Judges' salaries, 5896 Miners' strike, 3086 Population, 593
Prices and cost of living, 2199, 2237, 2481, 2571, 2954
Zinc. See Mines and minerals