1914-04-28

PRIVATE BILLS.


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Bill No. 161, respecting the Western Life Assurance Company.-Mr. Bradbury.

Mr. MARCIL:: I desire to draw the attention of the Prime Minister and the Government to the fact that a pamphlet has been distributed to members of the House containing a resume of the general elections of 1896, 1900, 1904, 1908 and 1911, and of byelections held between June, 1, 1896, and
January 1,	1914. This work is a
valuable one, but it does not cover the whole period from Confederation. I would ask the Prime Minister to instruct the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery to prepare a similar resume for the period between 1867 and 1896. This would give a complete record of all Dominion elections from 1867 to 1914 in a handy reference book.
I may state that with reference to general and by-elections held between Confederation and 1896 there is very little information available. From what I know of the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery he is the man to prepare such a resume. Every year's delay in the preparation of this election record means so much more difficulty in obtaining the information necessary for its proper preparation. I am sure that the right hon. gentleman will give the subject due attention and will see that the work is done.


Mr. BORDEN:: I shall be glad to give
consideration to it.



NEWFOUNDLAND SHIPPING DISASTER.


Robert Laird Borden: I desire to allude to a
matter which I mentioned a few weeks ago. At that -time we had tidings of a very regrettable disaster which had befallen a number of fishermen of Newfoundland. I then informed the House that the Government intended to bring down an appropriation of the sum of $10,000 to assist in the relief of the families of those who had been lost. Since that time it has transpired that, most unfortunately, the disaster was much greater than then known. It has been definitely ascertained that1* the steamer Southern Cross with a very large number of persons on board has been lost and that the number of sufferers will be two or three times as great as when I made the announcement to the House previously. Under the circumstances, I think we shall all agree in the desirability of increasing the appropriation. I take the opportunity of announcing that we propose to increase the grant from $10,000 to $25,000 for the purpose of relieving those who have suffered in this way.


Sir WILFRID LAURIER:: The circumstances which have come to light since my hon. friend made the announcement some time ago of the Government's intention to give $10,000 are such, I think, as to justify the increase, and I have great pleasure in supporting it.



QUEBEC MARINE AGENCY.


Wilfrid Laurier: I have seen reports in the press of this date to the effect that certain officers of the Marine Department at Quebec have been suspended. Can my hon. Mend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries give us any information on the subject? '


Mr. HAZEN:: Last week the attention of the Marine Department was called to the fact that there was reason for believing that very serious irregularities had occurred in the Marine and Fisheries agency at Quebec, covering a number of years. In consequence of the information that was received, Mr. Doutre, the purchasing and contract agent of the department, was sent to Quebec, and, as a result of the inquiries Mr. Doutre made, and the information winch he received while there, he has been placed temporarily in charge of the Marine and Fisheries agency in that city, four officials have been suspended, and a thorough inquiry . is to be made at once into the charges which have been made. The charges which have justified this action on the part of the Department of Marine and Fisheries are to the effect that in the years 1908 and 1909, and possibly in subsequent years-the full facts are not known -the pay-lists of the department were padded; the names of fictitious persons were put on the pay-lists as well as the names of others who, while employed by the department, were not employed in the capacity designated on the pay-list. These pay-lists were certified by the timekeeper, by the accountant'*of the agency, and by the paymaster, and went through the usual departmental channels and were paid. There is, I think, no doubt whatever about this having occurred, as it is practically admitted by one of the clerks in the agency, and, I am informed, by the accountant of the agency himself. As to the position the agent occupies in the matter, there may be difference o,f opinion; that will have to be ascertained by investigation. Mr. Bela-nd, it is fair to say, told Mr. Doutre that he had no knowledge of the matter at all; other officials of the department say that Mr. Boland did know what occurred, and that in doing what they did they were acting under his instructions. It is said that the persons who got this money did not themselves benefit by it; but the information is that certain bills were incurred which the purchasing agent of the 
department at Ottawa refused to sanction, and that for the purpose of paying those bills fictitious names were placed upon the list, the money drawn in the names of these fictitious persons, and then used for the purpose of paying the bills. This action involved conspiracy; at least, I think that is the case- I do not want to make statements that will not in future be verified-but it seems to me it involved complicity amongst & number of the officials of the department and iu some cases involved what was practically forgery, because the checks were sent payable to the parties whose names had been placed on the list, and these checks were endorsed by somebody with the names of those to whom they -were payable. In addition to that, a charge is made to the effect that certain junk and properties were disposed of by the agency and that no account was made of the moneys received. In that case an explanation is given to the effect, I believe, that in connection with some celebration which was held in Quebec the money that had been obtained through the sale of this junk and old material was used to defray certain expenses of decorating the agency premises. But the fact was never reported to the department; no return was made of the money, and no account w,a,s ever sent in for these expenses. The amount, however, is, I believe, comparatively small. In view of the circumstances, we have thought it desirable to ask the Governor in Council to sign an order appointing a commission under the Enquiries Act to investigate the whole matter. That commission, which will consist of Mr. Doutre, the contract and purchasing agent of the department, and one of the officials of the Justice Department, will proceed at once to ascertain exactly what the state of affairs is. I may say that the statement is made-and it would appear on the face of it to be a frank statement-that nothing of this sort has occurred since the year 1909; that these irregularities, which have since come to light, originated in the years 1908 and 1909. But we are told of another case where an official employed in the department placed his own name upon the list two or three years ago as having done work as a mechanic, to the amount of $20. The statement is made to us that this money was used by him, not for his own private

purposes, but to pay an account that had been contracted at Bic, I think, by the agency on his instructions, which the department refused to recognize, considering it not a proper charge to make. The report of the investigation of the commission will be laid before the House as soon as it is received.



THE ST. JOHN VALLEY RAILWAY.

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On the motion of Hon. W. T. White (Minister of Finance) for Committee of Ways and Means:
Mr. F. B. G'ARVELL (Carleton, N.B.): Before you leave the Chair, Mr. Speaker,
I desire to call to your attention and to that of the minister a matter of great importance, not only to the province of New Brunswick, but to the Dominion of Canada as a whole, regarding the construction of a railway in our province known commonly as the St. John Valley railway, but legally as the St. John and Quebec railway. I regret being compelled to bring this matter up this afternoon when my hon. friend the Minister of Finance is anxious to enter into the consideration of tariff matters, but as I may foe called away at any moment I feel that I would not do justice to myself and to my constituents in the province of New Brunswick were I to leave this House without laying before the Government and the country certain facts of grave importance which I think should be given to them.
It is well known that very grave charges have been laid against the Premier of New Brunswick by Mr. Dugal, a member of the legislature, on two important matters. The first is in connection with the extension of timber licenses; with that I do not intend to deal at the present time, because we have the promise of the Government of the province of New Brunswick that a tribunal will be created to give that matter a thorough investigation, with that matter I will deal at the proper time and in the proper place. We are also promised that a tribunal will be created to investigate certain matters in connection with the St. John and Quebec Railway Company. In so far as those matters can ibe properly discussed and investigated before that tribunal, I do not propose discussing them here this afternoon.
But I want to discuss a side of this question which appeals to this Government* to this Parliament, and to the people of Canada as a whole. You will remember,
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Sir, that there is an agreement on our statute books- placed there as a result of . a number of different statutes-by which the Government of Canada have agreed to take over and operate this railroad as a portion of the Intercolonial, as soon as it is in a position to foe taken over. In fact, [DOT]the Government agreed to take over each individual section when completed; and they agreed, to pay the company owning the road forty per cent of the gross earnings, upon which the province of New Brunswick were to have a lien for the interest on the bonds. The balance, if any, would go to the company as their own private property. As the House of Commons is going to operate this road for sixty per cent of the gross earnings, it is a matter of great importance to the people of this country that the road be properly constructed, that it be properly located, and that it be not overcapitalized and generally that it is a proposition from which sixty per cent of the proceeds will make a proper fund for operating the road.
As regards the inception of this transaction, I take credit to myself in so far as I am entitled to it. It is an absolutely justifiable proposition for the people of New Brunswick and for the people of Canada as a whole-a proposition which was justifiable from any standpoint whatever under the original inception, a proposition which, in my judgment, could have been carried out and made a paying proposition to the people of Canada or to any person. This agreement was entered into in the session of 1911, between the Dominion of Canada and, we might say, the province of New Brunswick, because they were really the contracting parties. It was agreed in this House that they were to build1 a road through New Brunswick up to the standard of the Transcontinental, and that the road [DOT] was to go from Grand Falls to St. John, N.B. It was to run from the Transcontinental to the port of St. John, and was to be a highway over which the commerce of the Transcontinental intended for export from the city of St. John should pass. It was to be a road in every sense of the word, and equal to the Grand Trunk Pacific ot Transcontinental in grade, curvature, and general miake-up. Prior to the election of 1911, there was a good deal of backing and filling between my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, then Prime Minister of New Brunswick, and this Government. I am not going into the details of that as it is ancient history, and plays no great part in the important
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matter which we have to consider at the present time. Suffice it to say that no agreement was ever come to before 1911 by which they were to commence the construction of the road. We supposed we had them to the sticking point a good 'many times but they always got away from us. They promised first of all that it was going to be next month, then next week,, then 'the next day, and then the next day and this went on until the 21st of September, 1911. Up to the 21st of September, 1911, when the Liberal party was defeated, the contract had not been signed by the Government of New Brunswick, but the moment my hon. friend's party came to power the whole matter was plain sailing. Instead however, of a contract being entered into between the province of New Brunswick and the St. John and Quebec Railway Company whureby a road was to be built of the character which we had sUpulated-the character set forth in the statute of 1911-this Government passed legislation authorizing a contract between the province of New Brunswick and the company for the construction of a road of an entirely different character [DOT]-a road of any specifications which the contracting parties could agree upon. What was worse, it referred to certain schedules when there were no schedules in the Act. Therefore, the matter was left wide open. I will not take up the time of the House reading about this point as it was all placed on ' Hansard ' last year. I have referred to the statutes; I quoted the original statute, and the statute of 1912. If my hon. friend the acting Minister of Railways wishes to inform himself on this point, he will find the vicious section in chapter 49 of the statutes of 1912 wherein it is provided that the road shall, be built according to the specifications agreed upon. Now, the specifications agreed upon are something we know nothing about-except the information that was given us in a return brought down last session.
Mr. J. D. REID:: You have seen the
specification, theni?


Mr. CARVELL:: No, I saw no specifications. I only got some correspondence. I asked for plans and specifications a number of times, but the Minister of Railways told me it would be an endless job preparing the plans, but that I was at liberty to go to the department at any time to examine them. I have no fault to' find with the Minister of Railways and Canals-I am speaking now of the Hon. Mr Cochrane as 
I assume the acting Minister of Railways knows nothing whatever about it-he is disposed to do -what is right in the matter. He is willing to give us all the information in his possession if we like to go over to the department, but as it was so very voluminous and as I could not carry it in my head I did not get it. Certain returns were brought down in this House a year ago, and were discussed by myself on the 3rd day of June last. My hon. friend will find the discussion if he refers to ' Hansard ' of that date. According to those returns it appears that the company was allowed to put in 7 degree curves and 1 per cent grades wherever they wished. The result is that they have built 117 miles from Gagetown to Cen-treville; the two miles through the city of Fredericton have not been built. I do not mean to say that every mile of the 117 has been completed, but they have been working over that distance. I make the statement here, Mr. Speaker, that it is not a first-class road, it is not a second-class road, it is not even a third-class (road. The only thing that can be said in its favour is that it has 80 pound steel rails, and so far as the railway is completed it has a reasonable amount of ballast. The bridges-what few of them there are:-are to be of steel, and the larger culverts of concrete. So far as that goes, it is all right, but there are dozens and dozens of little corrugated iron culverts. I can tell the minister of one place where there is a three-foot corrugated culvert under a twenty-foot embankment. The culvert is broken down, and it is almost impossible for trains to get past that point.
After the remarks which I addressed to the minister a year ago, he promised me that he would have these things remedied. I told him that the road was not being built upon the plans and specifications in his office. I told him not to take the word of the company, but to put his engineers upon the right-of-way and take the levels. I told him to go to the contractors and ask them. I told him about these culverts. I believe that they did make an investigation but the trouble was that instead of the railway company changing their road to meet the plans and specifications, they changed the plans and specifications to meet the road. I happen to know that new plans and profiles were prepared. It took nearly half of the summer of 1913 to bring these things to completion. They made new plans and profiles in order to

meet the conditions and there are dozens and dozens of places-I think I am safe in saying hundreds of places-anyway, there are dozens and dozens of places, where the plans show a certain curvature while the actual curvature is much greater. I am informed that new plans have been prepared to meet these conditions. That is the character of the road. In every place where it was possible to do so they have used a seven degree curve and a one per cent grade. While I have never put a level upon this road myself, I can take the minister to places where the grades are greater than one per cent. If the minister will come with me, or if he will give me an engineer, I will tell him the places to look for them. He will find that there are grades greater than one per cent. I can take the minister to places where he can find four seven degree curves in a mile and one-quarter on a one per cent grade. I can take the minister to a place where he can find a swamp with about two feet of earth on the top of the bog and where he can run down a pole seven feet in the soft mud and no ditch on either side of the railway.


John Dowsley Reid: Well, then, the railway is not completed,


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is completed; it is
taken off the contractors' or the subcontractors' hands, and the sub-contractor agreed to build the road. The sub-contractor was my own brother and I know what I am talking about.


John Dowsley Reid: But the Government
have not taken it over.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The sub-contractor has
been paid off in full. I am not talking through my hat; I am stating the facts. The sub-contractor has been paid in full, the road has been finished to the satisfaction of the engineer, that is the condition of affairs. I am only pointing out to the minister the kind of road that he is going to take over, operate and upon which he is going to pay back to the province of New Brunswick and the company forty per cent of the gross earnings. I want the minister to consider whether he can run a train over that kind of a road and make any money out of it. If the minister will send an engineer, or go himself with me, I will take him to the place where the conditions exist which I am pointing out to him now. He can visit them himself and see whether I am stating the actual facts or not.
The next important point is with respect to the location. As I stated some time ago, when the scheme was first originated, the road was to run from Grand Falls to St. John. It was to be the outlet of the Grand Trunk Pacific traffic which was intended for export through the port of St. John. If my hon. friend will look at the statutes of 1912, chapter 48, The Railway Subsidies Act, he will find that the subsidy reads as follows, subsection 2 of section 2:
For a line of railway from St. John to Grand Falls, N.B., exclusive of a railway bridge across the Kennebeeasis river, at or near Perry Point, and two railway bridges across the St. John river, one at or near Mistake and one at or near Andover ; in lieu of the subsidy granted by chapter 51 of 1910, section 1, item 12; not exceeding 228 miles.
The original subsidy provided for a line of railway from Grand Falls to St. John, and that was only a revote of the subsidy passed by this House in 1910, also for a line running from Grand Falls to St. John. If the minister will take The Railway Subsidies Act of 1913, chapter 46, section 2, subsection 4, he will find the following in place of the Act to which I have just referred:
To the St. John and Quebec Railway Company, for a line of railway from Andover to St. John, N.B., exclusive of a railway bridge across the St. John river, at or near Mistake, and a railway bridge across the Kennebeeasis river at or near Perry Point in lieu of subsidy granted by chapter 48 of 1912, section 2, item 2; not exceeding 200 miles.
In other words, this Government, in renewing the subsidy in 1913, cut out that portion of the road from Andover to Grand Falls. They have made it impossible to make connections with the Grand Trunk Pacific, and if they do not make connections with the Grand Trunk Pacific they can not pay for axle grease. The Intercolonial railway will lose, I believe, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in trying to operate that road as a local institution. While it runs through a progressive, well-settled country, the most productive and fertile portion of New Brunswick, it would simply carry out the farm produce of that territory, because in that portion of New Brunswick there is practically no timber. It would only be for the use of the farmers, and running through a large portion of New Brunswick from Andover to St. John, or, as I believe they intended to go only to Westfield on the Canadian Pacific railway, they simply could not operate it except at a loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars. The only way it

was safe, either from the standpoint of the province or of the Dominion, was to carry out the original intention to run from Grand . Falls down to St. John.
We protested against this proposition. I can tell you that we knew our friends in New Brunswick perhaps better than the minister did; we knew the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen), we knew the hon. member for York (Mr. McLeod), we knew those gentlemen who were running the province of New Brunswick at that time, and in the year 1912 when this Parliament voted $1,000,000 to aid in the construction there was a protest, to which I shall refer later on. My hon. friend from Victoria and Madawaska (Mr. Michaud), through whose county this portion of the road ran, moved that at least $250,000 of this $1,000,000 be set aside to build a bridge across the St. John at Andover which would have to be built in order to make connection with Grand Falls. We did that because we did not believe that they intended to go to Grand Falls. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries in his blandest manner, and that is saying a good deal, assured the committee, for the House was in committee at the time, that it was not necessary to take any such step as that, that there was no doubt whatever that this road was going to Grand Falls, and he asked the committee to disregard the vapourings of the hon. member for Victoria and Madawaska, and the hon. member for Carleton. They were only throwing dust in the eyes of the people, they were only playing their own game of trying to defeat the construction of this road! This is what they have been firing in our faces for three or four years. Every time that we have pointed out the iniquities of these gentlemen we have been told that we are only trying to prevent the development of this work, that we are only trying to prevent the construction of this road, and every Tory paper in New Brunswick will come out to-morrow morning and say: Carvell is at his old tricks trying to prevent the construction of this railway. I know their game; I can almost hear it sizzling through the press gallery now. But we know what we are talking about. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries was in control at that time, and he opposed the amendment of my hon. friend from Victoria and Madawaska. The next day the Bill came up for third reading, and in the absence of my hon. friend I moved the same amendment, and we put the members on record, as you will find in the 1 Hansard ' of 1912. That was 
voted down. The next year, 1913, the very thing happened which we were afraid of in 1912, because when the Subsidy Bill came down, we found that that section from Grand Falls to Andover was left out, and, of course, it would not be necessary to build these bridges. Well, my hon. friend from Victoria and Madawaska (Mr. Michaud) got interested again, and he called the attention of the Minister of Railways to this fact, and he -asked why they cut out the subsidy on the road from Andover to Grand Falls, 25 miles, and what it meant. The Minister of Railways practically told him they were going to make some sort of a trade for running rights over the Canadian Pacific railway for that distance, as will be found reported in ' Hansard ' of June 3, 1913, columns 11672-11673. Then I asked the Minister of Railways if they were going to cut out the subsidy and did not intend to build the road, if he would agree that a certain proportion of the bridge money should also be withheld. The Minister of Railways said: ' Certainly, we will hold the bridge money.' Then I told him, in as polite language as I could, that I did not believe it, and I told him further that they would be back inside of a month for that money. Here is the emphatic statement of Mr. Cochrane-I will read the whole reference:
Mr. Carvell:	The minister will remember
that last session this Parliament agreed to lend $1,000,000 to the St. John and Quebec railway for the purpose of helping to construct three bridges. If this proposed agreement with the Canadian Pacific railway goes through, it will be unnecessary to construct the Andover bridge.
Mr. Cochrane: At present, anyway.
Mr. Carvell:	Will the minister pay that
$1,000,000 to the company or will he retain a part of it?
Mr. Cochrane:	No, the vote is for three
bridges and we should not have authority to pay it out for only two. We shall have to deduct a portion for the Andover bridge.
Mr. Carvell: I am glad to hear that statement. But I want to tell the minister that they will be here inside of one month to have that $1,000,000 voted for the two bridges, the Mistake and Kennebecasis; and more than that, the minister will give it.
Mr. Cochrane:	The hon. gentleman may
know more than I do, but the minister will not give it.
But, did he give it? Why, Sir, when you talk about $1,000,000, I must confess I did not know these gentlemen as well as I thought I did, for instead of wanting $1,000,000 they are back here now for $3,000,000, and they are going to get it. That is what I am afraid of.


Mr. MURPHY:: Dash away with the
money.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell: 
Mr. LEMIEUX:: Who did that?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The legislature of New Brunswick did that. My hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod) can tell you who was responsible for it.


Mr. GAUVREAU:: Was he there?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Most certainly he was there. They allowed these gentlemen to sell these bonds for 95. That was away back in 1912. There was no necessity for selling New Brunswick four per cent bonds for 95 in 1912.


Rodolphe Lemieux: To the Yankees?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I will tell you about the Yankees later on. In the year 1909 or 1910, a company was incorporated in the province of New Brunswick, known as the St. John Valley Railway Company, composed of local people. I do not say they were capitalists, but they were good men anyway, and they represented both sides of politics; men who honestly wanted this road to be constructed. I want to tell you, Sir, that there is no road under construction or under discussion in Canada to-day that was needed more than this railway between Grand Falls and St. John. The Minister of Trade and Commerce is listening to me, and I am glad of it, because he knows this whole question. He knows the history of the people along the route of this railway; he knows the conditions there; he knows what the people suffered, because he has represented two of the constituencies along the route, namely, the counties of Kings and York, which are vitally interested in this matter. This portion of the province of New Brunswick has been settled for 125 or 130 years by the United Empire Loyalists, the finest stock I believe in Canada to-day. The settlers there had been closed up in the winter months, twenty-five or thirty miles away from railway communication, and they consequently suffered great hardships. This condition of affairs existed in portions of Kings, Queens, and York counties. There is no place in Canada where railway facilities are needed more than just along the route where this road is being built.
In the inception of this project everybody was working together, everybody was working for the common weal. As I have said, a company of local people was incorporated for the purpose of the construction of this road. But when the thing became almost a certainty, and it looked as though the road would be built, then you could see

something else commencing to work. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries, I have no doubt, will tell the House the rest of that portion of the story, because there is nobody better qualified than he to give the history of that aspect of the case. Suffice it to say that in 1910, a certain gentleman was imported from the United States, by the name of Arthur R. Gould. Instead of blaming Arthur R. Gould, I have an intense admiration for the man. He is a bright, shrewd, industrious Yankee, a man who could twist the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, and the member for York (Mr. McLeod), and the Premier of New Brunswick, all up together in balls and throw them ovar this building half a dozen times; a man who could mould and chisel these people just as he could a piece of putty; a man who says to these gentlemen, I want $25,000 a mile, and I want the right to sell the bonds at ninety-eight, and he gets the legislation; a man who could come back two years afterwards and say, I want the right to sell these bonds at ninety-five, and he gets that right; a man who could say to them, I want $10,000 a mile in bonds additional to what I have got, and I will negotiate this transaction through a Mr. Lisman of New York, and he gets that right; a man who did come back a few weeks ago and said:	'Well, legislation is a failing
of mine, and I fell down and did not get the money; you had better grant me another $10,000 worth of bonds.' He got that also, so that he has now received $35,000 worth of bonds. He was not satisfied with the last issue at 4 per cent and he got them at 4i per cent. If Mr. Gould is not entitled to some credit, I do not know who is. A man who can come to the province of New Brunswick and twist the Government and the Legislature of that province around his finger and bleed our people to the extent of four or five or six million dollars, is a man of some proportions. Why was Mr. Gould brought over? Before the election of 1911, we were determined that this road should be operated by the Intercolonial. My hon. friends had a wonderful leaning towards the Canadian Pacific railway. When this company was incorporated in 1910, nothing would do but an electric road. As Mr. Gould was the representative of the Canadian Pacific railway in the state of Maine, he was imported into New Brunswick, and became the only man on earth with whom my hon. friends would do busi-
ness, and they gave him what he wanted. In 1911, Mr. Malcolm, a railroad builder who has built the International, a 112 mile railroad, on a bond guarantee of $8,000 a mile and a subsidy of $6,400 a mile, and who has financed the rest of that road himself, with the assistance of the owners and managers of the Toronto Mail and Empire, who are the men of means and who know how to handle their means, offered to take the bond guarantees and subsidies and build the road up to the standard existing at that time, which rvas the standard of the Transcontinental railway. He was, however, simply laughed to scorn by my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries. The Government would not listen to him; they would hardly give him civil replies, and he was practically kicked out of Fredericton. In their opinion; this road must be given to Gould, and therefore they gave him an act of incorporation in 1910, at which date there were associated with him four other gentlemen, respected and responsible residents of the province of New Brunswick.
After the election of 1911, when this party came into power and saw visions of millions and of having everything in their own hands, the funny business commenced. A very important lawsuit has been going on in the city of St. John, where there reside? a gentleman of the name of J. D. Seely, an honourable, upright, estimable gentleman, and a man of some financial ability. The only failing he possesses, so far as i know, is that he is a Liberal; and, of course, he had to be squeezed out, as it would not do to leave him in. This is how they got him out. My hon. friend the member for York, N.B. (Mr. McLeod), is given credit in the courts as being the gentleman who engineered the matter. Mr. Gould applied to the legislature for certain amendments to his act of incorporation. There is a rule in the Legislature of New Brunswick that notice must be given in the newspapers, &c., but they did not give any notice as to the real issue in the Bill.


Mr. McLEOD :: Is that an Act of 1912?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes, chapter 18. The
original Act was in 1910, chapter 52, which has sixteen sections. The pur-4 p.m. pose of the Act of 1912 was to amend the Act of 1910 and to add certain sections. Section 17, an unimportant one, was added; and then came the real fine Italian hand of my hon. friend the member for York, N.B., and of the Premier, according to sworn testimony

given in the court at St. John last week. Section 19 reads as follows:
No person shall after passing of this amending Act be a director of the company, unless ho is a shareholder holding fifty shares of stock in the company, which have been paid in cash and not otherwise to be extent of the full par value thereof.
Unfortunately Mr. Seely did not meet those requirements, as he had not paid for his fifty shares in cash. Section 19, which is as follows, was added:
The issued shares of the company which on the 10th day of April, A.D. 1912, had been fully paid up to the extent of the par value thereof in cash and not otherwise shall, on the date of the passing of this amending Act, constitute the whole of the issuing shares of the company.
This Act was passed on the 20th day of April, 1912, and provided that only those men who actually subscribed and paid up their money to the extent of $5,000 on the 10th day of April were eligible to be directors of this company; and, as Mr. Seely did not come within that provision, he was squeezed out. In St. John, sworn testimony was given that Flemming and McLeod engineered this matter. I do not know, because I was not there; I am only giving the sworn testimony as reported in a St. John newspaper. This is the way in which they did so.	As this
was a private Bill, these sections could not be added because notice had not been given. Therefore, they made a Government Bill of it; they were able to put the Bill through without notice and squeeze Mr. Seely out, and then Mr. Gould had the whole thing in his own hands. He, however, was afraid of trouble and tried to settle with Mr. Seely. In the first place, he gave Mr. Seely his note for $4,000, which he paid. Then he gave him the note of the St. John and Quebec Railway Company for $12,000. It is important to remember the different names, as they are so nearly alike that sometimes they get mixed up. This note was endorsed by the Quebec and St. John Construction Company. Mr. Seely sold the note to Mr. Nagle, a prominent gentleman in St. John. At its maturity, the companies refused to pay the note. Mr. Nagle brought suit, and the matter was tried out the week before last; the case was adjourned until yesterday, and I presume has been settled before now.
The point at issue in the court was that Mr. Seely obtained the endorsement of the Quebec and St. John Construction Company by some fraudulent representations. It is not denied that the note was given nor that Mr. Seely endorsed it to Mr. Nagle as a bona fide business transaction; but it is claimed that in some way the Quebec and St. John Construction Company were misrepresented when they endorsed the note, and they therefore claim that they were not liable. In this lawsuit some very important evidence became public. According to the Act, the Dominion subsidy was voted to the St. John aftd Quebec Railway Company-not to the railway, but to the company. The St. John and Quebec Railway Company was incorporated in 1910, its Act was amended in 1912 by the Legislature of New Brunswick, and it is the company which squeezed out the Canadian directors and left only the Yankees and a man of the name of Ross Thomson, who, 1 believe, was originally a Can ad an, but was brought over here by Mr. Gould. It does not make very much difference who the directors of the railway company are, because they have not got anything. My friends talks about Mackenzie and Mann financing. Why, they are only in the infant class, in the kindergarten class, compared with these fellows in New Brunswick. The St. John and Quebec Railway Company, with the knowledge and consent of the New Brunswick Tory Government, assigned the stock over to a man by the name of-well, I have forgotten his name; perhaps my hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod) can give it, as he is more familiar with these things than I am. At any rate, this man is a clerk in Mr. Gould's office. He assigned all the stock of the company, $2,000,000-all the bonds, all the subsidies, all the contracts with construction companies to build the road- over to the Quebec and St. John Construction Company. Now, the Quebec and St. John Construction Company does not have Mr. A. R. Gould as its president, but it does have Mr. A. R. Gould's son. And Air. A. R. Gould's son and his American associates are the men who are getting our good money and taking it to New York, and the road is being built from New Tork. We cannot investigate the thing, because the money is all handed over in bulk to the New York concern, and the New York concern are doing the real trick. I think I have made good my statement that .Mackenzie and Mann are only in the kindergarten class of finance as compared with these people. Because, while it is

alleged that Mackenzie and Mann, or the -Canadian Northern railway-I do not know this, I am only saying that it is currently reported-assign their bonds and subsidies over to the Mackenzie and Mann -Construction Company, yet the Mackenzie and Mann Construction -Company live in Canada, and you can get at them and investigate them and know what they are doing. But the Tory party in New Brunswick 'hand over millions to an American coac-ern who are doing their business in New York, and the books are kept in New York.
We are going to try to investigate this thing. I know we shall have a lot of trouble trying to get those books. I see that my very dear friend, Mr. Flemming, the premier of New Brunswick, has so far recovered from a recent illness that he is able to tak-e a trip to New York, ostensibly for his health; but I think almost any member of the House, in view of the information I have given, can understand the real reason of that gentleman's trip to New York. And I have no doubt that if we ever get those books in court we shall find them doctored -up in pretty good shape. But we will get them if it is possible to get them.


Mr. EMMERSON:: Under what Act is the Quebec and St. John Construction Company chartered?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The Quebec and St. John Construction -Company is chartered under the provisions of the Dominion Joint Stock -Companies Act. I have the facts here, -and, as my hon. friend has asked me, I will give them. I read from a synopsis of the letters patent, at page 47, I think, of the last report:
Quebec & St. John Construction Company, Limited.
Incorporated, May 10, 1912.
Amount of capital stock, $1,000,000. Number of shares, 10,000.-Amount of each share, $100.
Corporate members.-Charles Austin Barnard, advocate and K.C.; Leopold Barry, advo-. cate; Edward Denis Maguire, accountant; Woltomar Hector Huhn Hume, secretary; and Charles Francis Adams, stenographer all of Montreal, Quebec.
First or provisional directors.

Charles Austin Barnard, Leopold Barry and Edward Denis Maguire.
Chief place of Business.-City of Montreal, Quebec.
Objects of the company.. .Vide p. 4297, Canada Gazette, 1911-12.
It is safe to say that none of these gentlemen have anything to do with the company 
now. As I stated, the president is the son of Mr. A. R. Gould. -I believe that Mr. Ross Thomson, who is acting in the dual capacity of secretary of the St. John and Quebec Railway Company and chief engineer of the road, is also a director of the Quebec and St. John Construction Company.
Now, we have found that up to the present time some $2,728,000 of the good money of the people of New Brunswick has been handed over to this Yankee concern to take to New York and do with as they have a mind to; and that something over $500,000 -I have forgotten the exact -amount-of subsidies of the Dominion Government have been handed over to the same, and they have been building this tramway. It is alleged by Mr. Dugal, and I am satisfied he is able to prove his statement, that some of this money has not gone into the construction of the road. But, as I have said, that is a matter that will be threshed out before another tribunal. But to show that Mr. Dugal is not moving in the dark, to show that he has good reasons for the faith that is in- him, I want to give to the House the actual estimate of one section of that road south of Frederioton. This we have absolutely, and know wbat we are talking about. They will tell you that the railway from Fredericton to Gagetown is the expensive part, because they are building it to a 0-4 per cent grade. I-t is true, they are building it to 0-4 per cent one way and to 0-6 pen: cent the other way, except in two or three places, where they have changed it. But they are following the river iSt. John, and the tide ebbs and flows on that river along that whole twenty-eight miles of railroad. It ebbs and flows above the city of Fredericton. So, if you put in- enough crooks and turns you -cannot fail to build a road with -a low grade. But -so crooked is this line that the first man- to protest against it to this Government was the gentleman who was then member for York, now Mr. Justice Crocket. He made his protest in the form of a letter ito this Government away back early in 1912. I read that letter in this House in the course of a debate which has been referred to before. Hon. members will find it in ' Hansard ' of 1913, page 11677. When- sitting in this House as representative of the county of York, that gentleman felt it his duty to apprise the Government of the actual condi-

tion of affairs. Now, I have here the actual progress estimates of that road down to the end of 1913, and no work has been done since then, for by that date the road had been practically completed. Amid remember, Mr. Speaker, it is not a difficult matter to find out what this road has cost, because it is under contract to three different contractors, and they are building the entire road ready to be taken over by the Intercolonial railway. The company furnishes rails and fastenings, ties, bridges, right-of-way, engineering and station houses. With these exceptions, everything that goes to make the completed road is being built by these contractors. The contractors for this particular portion are J. H. Corbett and Son. Mr. Corbett is a well-known contractor. He built section 1 of the Transcontinental; he is-either a -contractor or a sub-contractor-sub-contractor, I think-on the Welland canal; a man who looms big in the railway contracting world of Canada, a man who knows exactly what he is doing and how to do it. Here is the progress estimate down to 1913:
Residency No. 11-Oromocto to Upper
Gagetown.
Actual.
Clearing, 77.37 acres at $40	$	3,094, 80Grubbing, 6.28 acres at $150 . . . .	942	00Solid rock, 20,678 cu. yds. at $1.25.	25,847	50
Other material, 163,716 cu. yds. at
30c	
50,314	80Rock borrow, 2,184 cu. yds. at $1..	2,1S4	00Train haul, 12,703 cu. yds. at 40c.	5,081	20Overhaul! 1,023,415 cu. yds. at lc.	10,234	15Track laying, 10-66 miles at $400.	4,264	00Ballast, 19,200 cu. yds. at 40c.. ..	7,680	00Concrete, 490-56 cu. yds. at $8.. ..	3,924	48
" streets creek, 300 cu. yds.
at $8	 2,400 00
Culvert excavations-
Dry, 89 cu. yds. at 50c	
44	50Wet, 529 cu. yds. at $1	
529	00Fencing, 7,116 rods at $1	
7,116	00Gates, 45 pairs, at $7	
315	00Telegraph line, 11 miles at $100...	1,100	00Actual	$125,070 43
That makes a total of $125,070.43 for 10.7 miles of railroad. I have gone over this with a man who knows all about it, and I am going to give the House now a statement of what the company itself has furnished and what it will take to complete that part of the road:
Station houses on mud sills, 2 at $2,000, $4,000 Plank for road crossings, 9 at 1,000 ft. 180
Road signs, 9 at $5	 45
Cattle guards, 9 at $25	 225
Water tank, 1 at	 3,000
To complete fill at Street's Creek,
25,000 cub. yds. at 40c	10,000
Passing sidings, 2 of 1,800 ft. long; common sidings, 2 of 500 ft. long,
4,600 ft	$5,000
Right of way, $1,000 per mile	10,600
Sleepers, 30,000 at 40c	12,000
Rails and fittings, 13,354 tons at $33 . . 44,068 Bolts, spikes, etc., $500 per mile .. . .	5,260
In going over that I find there have been two omissions and, for fear my friends may find fault with me, I will give those omissions. I do not think the rails for sidings are included and, of -course, the engineering is not included. The rails could not amount to more than $400 a. mile; if you take the engineering and the rails together you could not add to the cost more than $1,500 a mile. The total cost, as I have it here, is $219,448.43; if you divide that by 10.7 you have a cost per mile of $20,509.20. If you add to that $1,500 a mile for engineering and rails for sidings you have practically $22,000 a mile. That company is getting $31,400 of our good money, excepting a little discount and some interest which they will pay on construction, and the -Government of New Brunswick have given them $10,000 a mile in addition to what they have already received. They are building that ten miles of road for about $22,000 a mile. They have already cleaned up about $7,000 or $8,000 a mile in cold cash, and the Legislature of New Brunswick has just voted another $10,000 a mile to be put into the pockets of these Yankee and Canadian boodlers. This ten miles of road is giving them a profit of $18,000 a mile, or $180,000 for the ten miles.


John Dowsley Reid: We were justified in
-paying double subsidy, were we not?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I am admitting that you were justified in paying double subsidy. I am satisfied that the Minister of Railways has been watching this matter as closely as it could be watched and I am satisfied that he has not paid out a dollar unless he has found figures in his department which have justified him in doing so. I would almost think, from the knowledge I have of the gentleman who represents the minister on this particular work, Mr. Taylor, that the figures are all right too. I know they have fooled Mr. Taylor; I know they have not given him correct information. I know that Mr. Taylor has not been able to report the true state of facts to the Government, but I do believe that he has been absolutely honest and above-board, and has tried to keep his chief properly informed.


John Dowsley Reid: We paid only on
Taylor's certificate.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I believe that. While I dare say Mr. Taylor's figures are incorrect, I am not blaming Mr. Taylor for it, because he would have to go to the railway company to get the figures or a great number of them. I am not arguing that the whole road can be completed as cheaply as this ten miles can, but I do say that the 117 miles will not cost $28,000 or $29,000 a mile. The company received not bonds but actual cash cut of the bonds and subsidies of about $28,000 a mile, and they owe to-day $200,000 or $300,000 to their contractors. I am informed on the very best of authority that it will take $500,000 or $600,000 to finisih that 117 miles of road. If I am right in saying that, in addition to the $28,000 a mile which the company have already received, this road will cost $500,000 or $600,000 before it is completed, and that the company owe their contractors $200,000, then there are $700,000 or $800,000 in cold cash which the people of this country have handed over to this gang of Yankees from New York, who are now coming back to the Legislature of New Brunswick and saying: give us more money or we will not finish this road. It is my duty, as representing the people through whose territory part of this road runs, to bring these facts before the members of this House; I would be a criminal if I did net do so. I am laying these facts before the acting Minister of Railways; I am laying them before the Minister of Trade and Commerce (Mr. Foster), a gentleman who, I am sure, will give this matter honest and serious attention; a gentleman who, I feel confident, is a juryman who has not been packed for the purpose of giving a false verdict, and who will consider this matter upon its merits only.
I am not going into the cost of this road because on another occasion that aspect will be dealt with before another tribunal. The particulars I have given my hon. friend can be verified by application to the railway company. I am not merely giving him the source of my information; I am giving him the document itself and he can go tj the railway company, to their engineers or to James H. Corbett, and he will find out whether or not my figures are correct. 1 know that portions of this road will cost more than the figures given. I am familiar with the construction of this road from Woodstock to Centreville, twenty-six miles distant. It passes through my own constituency; through the homestead

where I was born and where my mother and brothers live to-day; where I am every week of my life- when I -am in New Brunswick. I know every -mile of it.


John Dowsley Reid: Where are the ten
miles of which the hon. gentleman is complaining?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is residency No. 11, Oromocto to Tipper Gagetown. I know that other portions of that road will cost -much more than $28,000 a 'mile; I know that many miles have not cost anything like that amount. I know that the whole road from Woodstock north will not cost -more than $28,000 a -mile when finished. I knorw that the company has received $28,000 a mile from this Government and from the Legislature of New Brunswick in actual cash. I know that they owe the contractors $50,000 on that part of the road, and that it will take $50,000 more to finish it. I know that $100,000 is still unpaid on that twenty-six miles. I know that the Legislature of New Brunswick gave them money to pay that $100,000, which these people put in their pockets ox paid out for political purposes, or -for something just as bad. I know that certain sections of the road from Woodstock to Fredericton-my hon. friend from York, N.B. (Mr. McLeod) knows a good deal more about this than I do-have "cost probably more than $28,000 a mile. I can tell my hon. friend just where the hard spots are as I made it my business to travel over that road a good many times last summer, and I know a little about a piece of work when I see it. I can tell my hon. friend that there are dozens of miles that did not cost as much as the road from Fredericton south. I am very anxious to see the figures and reports of the engineers as to what the road cost from Fredericton to Woodstock, and I can tell my hon. friend-and he can tell it to his friends in New Brunswick-that it is no use trying to pad the engineer's statements because practically all the road was sublet, and we have the Estimates given the sub-contractors. We know what the sub-contractors got paid for, so that if the Estimates are padded a certain company which my hon. friend would not like to see badly injured will have the pleasure of paying out a good deal of money.


Harry Fulton McLeod: What company is it that I do not want to see badly injured?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The Hibbert Construction Company.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I am not interested in
that.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I did not say you were.


Harry Fulton McLeod: You insinuated it; you had better talk straight.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If the shoe fits my hon. friend, I have no objection to his wearing it.


Harry Fulton McLeod: If you want to say it, say it; but do not insinuate it, be a real man.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I would be sorry to see my hon. friend and I disagree, because heretofore, we have been agreeing very well on railway matters in New Brunswick. It would be a pity to spoil the entente cordiale [DOT]existing between us.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I prefer straight talk.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have another railway matter to refer to, before Mr. Speaker, leaves the Chair, on which I am sure my hon. friend and I will agree.


Harry Fulton McLeod: What name?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The Tobique and Campbell-ton. I am just giving my hon. friend warning. Do not let us quarrel over this, because we are going to agree on another matter.
I come now to the question of bridges. 1 told my hon. friend that in 1912 this Parliament voted a million dollars as a loan to the St. John and Quebec railway for the purpose of building three bridges, one was to cross the Kenebeeasis river near Perry's point, another was to cross the St. John river at a place called the Mistake, and the third was to cross the St. John river above Andover in order to tap the Transcontinental. It was believed at the time that there would be a sufficient sum saved out of the construction of the railway proper to apply $1,000,000 to the building of these three bridges, and I have not the faintest doubt in the world that if the money received in the way of subsidies and bond guarantees up to the present time had been honestly applied, that $1,000,000 could have been spent on those three bridges. But then, Sir, there would not have been any election fund, no rake-offs. To build those three bridges would have taken the whole of the million dollars, and possibly some of these shrewd Yankees might have been compelled to put up a dollar of their own money. I do not know that it is any hardship to ask them to put up a dollar, because remember they own the road when it is completed, every spike, every sleeper, and every 190i
acre of land on the right of way. Under the contract, the Intercolonial gets 60 cents out of every dollar of gross earnings for running the road-no matter what it costs to operate. They have to pay the other 40 cents to the Government of New Brunswick to pay the interest on the bonds; after that interest has been paid, whatever is left goes to this company of Yankees. So they own the road absolutely and why should they not be asked to put up a dollar of their own money when we treat them so magnificently as we are doing. They come back here and ask this Parliament to grant $3,000,000 instead of the $1,000,000, and while it is true that the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce stated in reply to the hon. member for Westmorland (Mr. Emmerson) that the matter has not been decided, yet it is stated by the members of the legislature of New Brunswick.that the Government have agreed to give $3,000,000 to build these bridges. I have no hesitation in giving the name of the gentleman who said that. He is a son of that grand old mail of New Brunswick, Sir Leonard Tilley, and this steal was jammed through the legislature of New Brunswick on the pledge that this Government had agreed to grant $3,000,000. Those bridges should be built. This road will be a curse, not a blessing to the people of New Brunswick, unless they are built. The road will be a financial millstone around their necks, which will drag them into eternal ruin unless it goes to Grand Falls and St. John, and gets business from the Grand Trunk Pacific. Let not the Conservative newspapers to-morrow say that I have tried to prevent the building of these bridges. I say they must be built, not only the bridge across the St. John river, hut the bridge at Andover, because I look upon it as more important than the bridges down below. You could eliminate the bridges across the St. John river and strike the Canadian Pacific tracks at Westfield. You might make some arrangements for running rights that would not be very satisfactory, and get traffic into St. John, but you would not get it there at the right place; it would be at the west side instead of the east. But unless you cross at Andover and tap the Transcontinental you are out of it, and cannot do business of any kind. Therefore, this question of bridges goes to the very life of the province of New Brunswick. A bridge must be built at or near Andover in order to tap the Transcontinental. I want to ask the acting Minister of Railways, and to appeal to the Minister of Trade and Commerce, as a fair juryman, as to whether they

are willing, in view of what I have said about the manipulation of this company, and in view of the facts I have given as to what they are doing with this money-are they willing to hand over $3,000,000 to a gang of shrewd Yankees to take off to New York to build any kind of railroad and any kind of bridges they want? Is there any man in this House, Liberal or Conservative, -even the Minister of Marine and Fisheries -who would vote for such a proposition? I only want to say to the acting Minister of Eailways: give this assistance,but do it yourself; keep your hand on the purse strings; do not hand over a dollar to the Government of New Brunswick, or to the Yankee concern; build the bridges under the Department of Eailways and Canals. If the Hon. Frank Cochrane has the handling of it I believe it will be honestly done. It may be said that this breaks up the whole scheme. It does, to some extent, but it is necessary to break up schemes sometimes in order to protect the public weal
Let the Department of Eailways build these bridges and own them. Let the department allow the railway company to use them. It is true that they will be available for the Intercolonial railway later on, but charge up to the company something more than the sixty per cent of the gross earnings. Take a certain other percentage of the gross earnings to pay the interest upon these bridges, but do not, I pray you, hand over that $3,000,000 to this gang of Yankees to boodle with, and probably use one-third of it when the next elections come on in the province of New Brunswick. On this 117 miles already built there has been $3,200,000 or $3,300,000 expended and I have not the faintest doubt that a million dollars was absolutely squandered for the benefit of the Yankee manipulators and the Canadian manipulators as well. I have not any doubt in the world that at least $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 out of this vote will be absolutely squandered, and I have no doubt that if you vote $3,000,000 more for these bridges another million will be squandered by these people. While I never boil over with patriotism to any great extent, if there is any red blood in the veins of any Canadian, it will boil over at the thought of handing over $1,000,000 or $2,000,000 of the money of Canada to these Yankees to boodle with and to put away in their own pockets for their own purposes. I am almost ashamed to be a New Brunswieker when 1 consider the iniquitous story that is told, and is

being written in our papers everywhere, with regard to the transactions of the Conservative Government of New Brunswick in reference to the St. John and Quebec Eailway Company.
Perhaps I have been a little plain in my language, but no plainer than the necessities of the case demanded. I have tried to point out to the Minister of Eailways and Canals the condition of affairs. I have warned him as well as it was in my power and, if this scheme goes through and if this $3,000,000 is handed over to this company, he cannot say that I did not warn him and the people of New Brunswick, who will pay interest upon this money, cannot say that at least one representative of the people did not warn the powers that be of the existing state of affairs and pray them for God's sake to try and keep control of this money and not hand any more of it over to a gang of Yankee swindlers.
Before I take my seat, and before you leave the Chair, Mr. Speaker, there is another railway matter in New Brunswick that I want to refer to, because it seems that the good Lord only knows where the end of these railway schemes is going to be in that province unless something is done to prevent them here and now. About the first act of the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries, after he became leader of the Government in the province of New Brunswick, was to guarantee bonds for a road in that province. I do not know what it is called, but it is in the county of Gloucester and it is a road going into some iron mines in which Mr. Drummond was interested. Between $300,000 and $400,000 of public money has gone there-absolutely gone. The road closed down, the mines are closed and we are going to pay the interest upon that money.
The next scheme was the Southampton railway, which my hon. friend and I agreed upon very nicely not so very long ago. The sum of $155,000 went into that, upon which I do not believe one-tentn of the interest will be paid by the Canadian Pacific railway. This has been handed over to the Canadian Pacific, and they are to operate it and pay 40 per cent of the gross earnings to the province, which is to pay the interest upon the bonds. It is a railway spur running through a country not well populated and with no business anywhere beyond a lumber mill, which is owned by a man named Pinder, a particular friend of my hon. friend from York. The railway

cannot do sufficient business to pay the cost of operation, and I would be surprised if one-tenth of the interest on these bonds will be provided for out of the earnings. We have to pay the interest on this $155,000.
. If this scheme goes through, and I do not know how in the world we can stop it, we are responsible for the interest and you can figure it out for yourself. There will be 220 miles of road at $35,000 a mile and the total capital amount will be between $7,000,000 and $8,000,000. With the class of road that I have described to you, with its location, with the gang controlling it, I tell you, Sir, that the amount that we will have to pay will be simply enormous.
There is another railway scheme that I want to discuss here, because I want to exact a promise from my hon. friend the minister that he will not allow these people to make another big steal on this other railway deal. The minister would be surprised if he knew how close a call the people of New Brunswick had from a $150,000 steal being pulled off in connection with that enterprise. The Totbique and Campbellton railway extends from Plaster Rock up the Tobique Valley to a place called Riley Brook a distance of twenty-eight or thirty miles. Some years ago a few gentlemen, the leader of whom was ilr. John G. Stewart, got a charter from the New Brunswick Legislature to construct that road. They came here in 1910 and through the good offices of the hon. member for Victoria and Madawaska a Dominion subsidy was voted for the road. That subsidy was renewed in 1912. In the summer of 1913 the Department of Railways and Canals signed a subsidy contract with the railway, company of which Mr. Stewart was president, to construct the road. _ It was the ordinary subsidy contract calling for $3,200 a mile up to $15,000 a mile and then the ordinary graded scale beyond that amount. The company tried to get a guarantee of bonds from the provincial Government to an amount sufficient to build the road. They did not want very much; they would have been satisfied with $10,000 or $11,000 a mile. They were put off as the hon. member for York knows, and I have seen, within the last three weeks a letter written by the Premier of New Brunswick agreeing to guarantee these bonds to the extent of $15,000 a mile upon certain conditions.


Harry Fulton McLeod: That is what Mr. J. G. Stewart's Company asked for.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, they did not.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Yes.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Well, we will not quarrel about that little point. I have seen a letter written by the Premier of New Brunswick: agreeing to guarantee these bonds subject to certain conditions. To build this road will cost about $12,000 or $13,000 a mile. I have seen the plans and profiles. I have helped to figure them out and with my knowledge of the kind of railways that they build in New Brunswick, the Pinder road and some of these others, I am somewhat of an authority. I can tell you, Sir, that that road, according to the plans and profiles, can be built for from $12,000 to $14,000 per mile. Last year the charter expired. They went to the Legislature of New Brunswick and asked to have the subsidy renewed. They were opposed very viciously by certain interested parties but they succeeded in getting the charter renewed for one year. They had to commence operations before the 5th of April or their charter would lapse. They went to the Government and tried to get them to give them an agreement in the form of an Order in Council that they would guarantee these bonds in order that they could finance the undertaking and commence operations. But nothing was done except the imposition of conditions which it was practically impossible to carry out.
The annual meeting of the company was to be held in the month of January and when the company met a gentleman representing Mr. Flemming went to the company and suggested that it would be very wise indeed if they would postpone the annual meeting in order that they mightconfer with Mr. Flemming. It was represented that it would be very much to their advantage to do so. They then attempted to get control of the company by getting the stock away from Mr. Stewart. Mr. Stewart had put up $10,000 worth of this stock with Pinder's son-in-law in order to help the Southampton railway. But it was understood, so Mr. Stewart says, that it was to be used as collateral security for a loan which Pinder was to pay out of the proceeds of the bonds and which the holder of the note, or stock, says was not paid.
I leave that with them. Anyhow, they got that $10,000 away from Stewart; they would not have to get a very great amount outside of that to have control of the company. They got this matter put off until the 5th day of March, and in the meantime a member of the local legislature, rep-
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resenting the county of Victoria, who was trying to prevent Stewart from getting a bond guarantee, was the means of having an execution, about fifteen years old, which was given to Stewart's brother as a matter of financing between them, issued in order to seize this stock. The execution was placed in the sheriff's hands and the stock was seized, and his brother was then somewhere in the West on railway construction, and the wires were set busy, and fortunately they were able to get hold of him, and before the sheriff could sell the stock he was sent instructions to quit, and told that Stewart never intended to press his brother on that claim. When the annual meeting was held on the 5th of March, the old company were in the position to elect their board of directors, and they elected two men from Grand Falls, who had not been on the board before, and started in to do business, and 1 am informed they did commence to work, and are now carrying on the work in order to hold their charter, although they have no bond guarantee from the local government.
So insistent were these people to get control of the charter, that when they could not get it by means of an old judgment, that never was intended to be acted upon, they then took the molasses method of getting it, and they sent a certain gentleman of the name of Edgar R. Teed-perhaps my friends opposite have heard of him-who lives in the town of Woodstock, to Grand Falls, and he pointed out to these directors that, being contractors, they could not be directors, and he thought they had better take a contract from the company to build the road and resign their positions as directors, and he would be willing to take their place on the board. If Mr. Teed got on the board of directors, then Flemming and his crowd would own the road; then they could have guaranteed the bonds for $15,000 a mile. They could have gone on and built it and played the same game they played with the Southampton road, and they could have pulled out at least $150,000, providing Mr. Johnson, the inspecting engineer, was not a little more particular than he was in the case of the Southampton road.


John Dowsley Reid: He will not do any
more inspection.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If he does it right I
have no objection to hirt.


John Dowsley Reid: He will not do any more.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: 
John Douglas Hazen: Mr. Speaker, I trust that the acting Minister of Railways (Hon. J. D. Reid) and my hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod), who is more particularly the object of this violent attack by the hon. member for Carleton (Mr. Carvell), will pardon me for preceding them in this discussion, because I have an appointment that may make it impossible for me to be in the House at eight o'clock this evening, when probably this debate may be resumed.
If one did not understand the ways and methods of the hon. member for Carleton as well as I do, he would be surprised and puzzled; surprised at the strong character of the language used by him, and puzzled to find what good purpose the hon. member had to serve in bringing this matter to the attention of the House of Commons.
But it is a matter of no surprise to those of us from New Brunswick, who know the hon. gentleman so well, that he indulges in language of the violent character that he has indulged in this afternoon. We in that province are well aware that the more violent his language the less ground he has for the attack he is making. When the hon. gentleman has good grounds for an attack, he almost invariably couches it in language which for him is moderate in the extreme.
We might be puzzled to know what good purpose the hon. gentleman wishes to serve by bringing this matter to the attention of the House. I understand the hon. gentleman to acquit the Railway Department of Canada and the Minister of Railways of any blame in regard to this matter, and I also understand the hon. gentleman to admit that the subsidies paid to the St. John Valley Railway by the Department of Railways and Canals under the provisions of the Act, have not been overpaid; that they have been fully justified and that the road upon which the subsidies have been paid has cost a sum of money which justifies the Railway

Department in paying the amount of subsidy which it has paid. That being the case, many hon. members are no doubt at a loss to understand why my hon. friend brings before this House a matter which is largely of local concern and which should be dealt with by the province of New Brunswick. It would be a matter of surprise to us if we did not understand the character of the hon. gentleman, that he should bring before this House a matter on which charges have been made in the House of Assembly of New Brunswick and to investigate which a tribunal will be appointed in a few days under legislation passed by the Legislature of New Brunswick when those charges were made. Charges in connection with the St. John Valley railway of a serious character, involving the honour and the reputation of two members of the Government of New Brunswick were preferred during the recent session of the Legislature. The gentleman who preferred those charges, in the course of his remarks, exonerated explicitly and clearly every member of the Government of New Brunswick from them, with the exception of the Prime Minister and my hon. friend from the county of York, N.B. (Mr. McLeod), who now occupies a seat in this House. He moved that a committee of the House should be appointed for the purpose of investigating these charges, which were to the effect that money had been diverted from the use of the railway for the purposes of the two hon. gentlemen whom I have mentioned. It will be remembered that the legislature of the province of New Brunswick consists of forty-eight members, two of whom are in opposition to the present Administration. The Government did not accept the 'hon. gentleman's resolution, but moved an amendment to the effect that the matter be investigated by a royal commission to be appointed by His Honour the Lieutenant Governor of the province. They were impelled to take that 'course because they felt that the Charges were of an extremely serious character; that, if a committee' off the House were appointed, it would be composed almost wholly of supporters of the Government, and of friends of the hon. gentlemen who 'had been charged with these offences; that it would be far more in the public interest to have the charges investigated by an independent commission appointed by the Lieutenant Governor, consisting of judges of the highest courts of the land or of other leading citizens, and that such a commission 
would be far more apt to get to the bottom of the charges made, to inquire into them thoroughly and to make a fair and impartial report than would a committee composed .mainly of supporters of the Government and of friends of the two members of the Government charged. I am not going into the merits of the ques-5 p.m. tion because I do not think this is the time or the place to do so. In my opinion we should wait until the commission makes its report before we condemn or justify the gentlemen who have been accused. At a very early stage of the recent session of the legislature, at a party caucus consisting of Government supporters, five members of the legislature were appointed a committee to investigate certain rumours and charges made in connection with the disposition of the St. John Valley railway. That committee was composed of five of the best men in the legislature; in fact, five of the best men in the province of New Brunswick. It consisted of Frank B. Black, a business man of Sackville, a representative from the county of Westmorland, a man of ability, knowledge and experience; of Mr. George B. Jones, a gentleman from the county of Kings, also a large business man who takes part in large affairs, and who has been extremely successful in his business: of Mr. T. J. Carter, K.C., of Victoria, of Mr. Leonard P. D. Tilley, K.C., of St. John, who has been referred to by my hon, friend in the course of his remarks, and of Mr. A. J. H. Stewart, a member from the county of Gloucester. A better committee could not be found in any legislature in Canada or anywhere else. Mr. Black stated in the House of Assembly, when this matter was under discussion, that, while he approached the subject with prejudice against Mr. Gould and against the methods adopted in the building of this railway, the result of a careful investigation of the books of the company, of the books of the provincial secretary's office and of all the different facts they were able to get together, coni-vinced him that every dollar of provincial money that had been handed over under the provisions of the guarantee of the bonds and every single dollar of Dominion Government money paid under the Subsidy Act had gone into the construction of the road in a bona fide manner, and that, in addition to that, other funds- had been spent in the construction of the road up to that time. My hon. friend from the county of

York, N.B., (Mr. McLeod) is bea-e to speak for himself and is well able to do so; he ha3 defied his enemies and lms^-sajd that there is no ground whatever for the charges made against him. The Prime-JJCi*ister Of New Brunswick has done the same thing. In view of that, would it not have been a course more consistent with the dignity of Parliament and with the proprieties of public life if my hon. friend had waited until this Royal Commission had thoroughly investigated the matter and made its report before bringing this matter before the House and scattering these charges broadcast over the country? In view of all these facts, if some people have been puzzled as to the reason why my hon. friend should bring this matter before Parliament at this time, those who know my hon. friend will not be surprised, because they know that he never misses an opportunity of vilifying and slandering those who differ from him politically, and of circulating stories about them irrespective of their truth or falsity.
I do not intend to follow my hon. friend in his story of the St. John Valley railway, as to what this ten miles has cost and that other ten miles has cost, because these are matters which will be investigated by the Royal Commission which will be named in a few days by the Lieutenant Governor of the province.
Therefore I do not propose at this juncture -I do not think it would be proper or right-to enter into a discussion of matters of that sort. So I content myself with stating what has been stated by Mr. Black as chairman of the House of Assembly. My hon. friend the member for York (Mr. McLeod) will make his statement for himself.
My hon. friend travelled far afield and engaged in a most inaccurate historical account of the St. John Valley railway. Under the circumstances, I may be pardoned if I say a few words with regard to the history of that enterprise. The St. John Valley railway, from the time I can remember up to the present, has been a lively subject of discussion in the province of New Brunswick. At the time when the confederation of the British North American provinces was mooted and the idea went forth that the Intercolonial railway, to bind together Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec and Ontario, was to be a part of the confederation pact and that the work would be proceeded with soon after Confederation, the general belief in the province of New Brunswick was-at least
in that magnificent section of it that is watered by the St. John river-that that road would be built to the city of Quebec following the course of the St. John river to Grand Falls and Edmundston and on across the province of Quebec to the city of Quebec. That was undoubtedly the shortest route for the Intercolonial railway to take. In addition to that, it was much the cheapest route by which it could be built. But, owing to reasons which it would be useless to discuss now-probably the influence of our friends in Nova Scotia and along the lower St. Lawrence to some extent, and also the influence exerted by the British Government in favour of having the line of railway further remoyed from the border of the United States than the St. John valley as a precaution in case of war-the Intercolonial railway was built by the northern route along the Miramiehi and St. Lawrence to the city of Quebec. That was an exceedingly great disappointment to the people'living in the valley of the St. John. I may say for the information of those who do not know intimately the province from which I come, that about the oldest settled part of the province is the St. John valley. And not only that, tout in that valley are many splendid farms. It has been estimated- and I think the estimate is within the mark -that the St. John valley alone is capable of providing for a population of at least two million having regard to the quality of the land, the lumber resources and other resources that it possesses. The people, while disappointed, looked forward to the time when a transcontinental line would be built, and believed that that line would be built vown the valley of the St. John. The Canadian Pacific railway was built. It came across the state of Maine and struck the St. John river only about fourteen miles from its mouth. True, in later years the Canadian Pacific railway acquired by a long term lease what is known as the New Brunswick railway running along the St. John from Woodstock to Edmundston. But this left a large part of the St. John valley without the desired railway facilities such as were being provided in every direction including many districts and settlements that had not been to the front or flourishing when the St. John valley was the best part of the province. The result was that the St. John valley was seriously handicapped, it was losing population, its farms were depreciating in value-all because its people were a long distance from market and, being without railway communication, had

to reach market in the same primitive way as when the country was first settled.
Well, Sir, the hopes of the people were again uplifted when they heard of the-building of the National Transcontinental, of the great scheme for building a road from the Atlantic to the Pacific entirely in Canadian territory. They confidently believed that the time had come, when, at last, they would be given those facilities which so long had been denied them, though they had been paying their quota to build railways in other parts of the country. Well, Sir, the National Transcontinental did not follow the valley of the St. John. Something has been said as to the route it did follow. It went from Grand Falls to Moncton, practically through the wilderness, whereas if it had followed the valley of the St. John it would have gone through a well-settled country that would have given it local support from the start, and it would have reached tidewater by a shorter route. In the language of my hon. friend from South Renfrew (Mr. Graham), speaking in this House the other night, it was not only an outrage that it did not go by the St. John valley, b'ut ,it almost verged upon the criminal. With the completion of that road and with no railway communication along the valley, the people began practically to lose heart.
From the time I entered the legislature in 1899, and for years before, and down to the time when I became Premier of the province, the St. John Valley railway was made the sport of politicians. Everybody talked about it, but nobody took effective steps to build it. Before, each election we would have statements made as to what certain politicians would do if they got back into power. But when they got back into power no effective steps were taken. In the session of 1909 a very large delegation from every part of the St. John valley came to the city of Fredericton almost as large as the one we had here the other afternoon-and	urged
that steps should be taken to give the people the railway facilities enjoyed by other parts of the country. I felt, Sir, rightly or wrongly, that the time for temporizing or dilly-dallying with this project was past, and I made a clear, plain statement to the gentlemen who assembled on that occasion. I pointed out that the Government, of which Mr. Pugsley was the leader, had negotiated with Mackenzie and Mann but those negoti-Mr. Hazen.]
ations proved abortive. The offer was for a guarantee of bonds for $15,000 a mile. But neitherjtf&eloenzie and Mann nor anybody else would think of building such a road for a giiarantee<-ef that sort. I told the delegation that I was prepared to pass legislation authorizing a guarantee of the bonds of the company to build a line of railway along the St. John valley to the amount of $25,000 a mile, if the Dominion Government would undertake, when the road was completed, to operate and maintain it as a part of the Intercolonial railway system, this to be done on the basis of 40 per cent of the receipts to the province and 60 per cent to the Dominion. This would save the province against the large interest charges which would have to be paid on the guarantee of $25,000 a mile. While I did not expect that' for the first few years of operation the revenue from the 40 per cent would be sufficient to pay the full interest charges on the guarantee, yet I felt that after it had been running a few years and had developed business, the result would be that the province would be saved harmless and the people would get the advantage of this railway communication and we should have the absolute certainty of the road being operated because it would have to be operated by the Government of Canada as part of the Intercolonial railway system.


Henry Robert Emmerson: The road between
what points?


John Douglas Hazen: The road between Grand
Falls and the city of St. John. One of the proposals made by the hon. gentleman who succeeded my hon. friend as premier was that the road should be built from Centre-ville to Woodstock as a part of the Intercolonial railway. No action, however, was taken on that suggestion. The delegation met at Fredericton and appointed a committee which came here to Ottawa and had an interview with the Government, placing before them the proposition to which I have referred. They met my right hon. friend, my hon. friend and colleague from the city of St. John (Mr. Pugsley) and other members of the Administration, and they came home full of hope that something would be done in that direction. Nothing was done for some time; no definite reply to the propositions made was received from the Government of Canada. But a little later-I think I am correct in saying that it was in the year 1910-the hon. member for Carieton, addressing a meeting held in the city of Woodstock, read a telegram or a communication he had re-

ceived from Mr. Pugsley stating that the Government of Canada would undertake to maintain and operate this road on the basis of sixty and forty per cent if it were built according to a certain standardnaming the standard, to which I shall refer later. That was further accompanied by a telegram, I think, received by the hon. member for Carleton from the right hon. gentleman who sits opposite to me, and who then led the Government, stating that he -confirmed what had been said in the telegram of Mr. Pugsley. At the next session of the provincial House, the session of 1910, I introduced a Bill for the construction of a railway along the valley of the river St. John. Part 1 provided:
The Lieutenant Governor in Council is hereby authorized to cause to be made a survey of said proposed line of railway, namely, from Grand Falls, at a point on the line of the National Transcontinental railway, in the county of Victoria, via the villages of Centre-ville and Lakeville, in the county of Carleton, and through Woodstock, Fredericton and Gagetown to the city of St. John or to a point on the Canadian Pacific railway, near Westfield, in the county of Kings, or between Westfield and Welsford, in the county of Queens.
And so on, with other provisos. Part II of the Act provided that before any bonds should be guaranteed the company constructing the line should give a first mortgage to the Lieut.-Governor in Council. There was also a proviso that a deposit should be made by the company that would secure the Government against the payment of interest for three years after the construction of the road was completed. I understand that that has been lived up to.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Is it not a fact that any deposit that has been made comes out of the proceeds of the bonds?


John Douglas Hazen: That -may be quite true.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Has Gould put up a
dollar of his own money?


John Douglas Hazen: It will be established in
the inquiry to be held by the Royal Commission whether Mr. Gould put up any of his own money or not. I can only repeat the statement made by Mr. Frank Black, the member for Westmorland, that every dollar of the bonds guaranteed for that section -of road went into it, and other moneys as well. Section 11 of Part II of the Act provided as follows:
No such agreement shall be entered into with any company or corporation for the construction of the said line of railway or for the guaranteeing of the said bonds, and no such bonds or debentures shall be guaranteed, unless and
until the Parliament of Canada shall enact legislation authorizing the granting of a subsidy in aid of the construction of the said railway, to the amount of not less than $6,400 per mile, and authorizing the entering by the said Government of Canada into an agreement with such company or corporation and with the Government of New Brunswick aforesaid, for the leasing of the said line of railway, when completed, with its appurtenances and rolling stock and for the operation, equipment, maintenance, upkeep and repair by said Government of Canada as part of the Government railway system of Canada, for a period of ninety-nine years, and for the payment by the Government of Canada to the said province of New Brunswick, or Government thereof, each year, during the said term of ninety-nine years, of forty per centum per annum of the gross earnings of the said railway as or in the nature of rental therefor. The amount of such rental shall be applied in payment of the interest on the bonds guaranteed by the province of New Brunswick, and if any surplus of such rental remains after paying the full amount of the interest upon such bonds and of all sums paid by the province for interest thereon, the same shall be paid to the company with whom the agreement shall be entered into for the construction of the said line of railway.
The letter of my hon. friend and colleague from the city of St. John and the telegram of my right 'hon. friend, to which I have referred, provided that the Government would undertake to operate the road if it were built up to a certain -standard, and in drawing the Act I inserted a provision that the road should be built up to that standard. Section 16 of the Act provided:
The specifications for said railway and the contract between the Lieutenant-Governor in Council and such company, for the building of the same, shall require and call for the construction of a first-class trunk line of railway, with grades, not to exceed four-tenths of one per cent and to be ironed with rails weighing not less than eighty pounds to the yard, and shall provide that all bridges shall be of steel superstructure, with substructure of stone or concrete, culverts to be of masonry or concrete, being the description of the character of the road as set forth in a letter from Hon. William Pugsley, Minister of Public Works of the Dominion of Canada, to the secretary of the Saint John Valley Railway Company, dated the nineteenth day of June, A.D. 1909, and approved by Sir Wilfrid Laurier, Prime Minister of Canada, in a letter addressed to F. B. Carvell, M.P., dated the 28th day of January, A.D. 1910, and the said line of railway shall be built up to the before-mentioned specifications and standard, and shall be constructed, subject to the inspection by, and shall he built to the satisfaction of the provincial engineer or such other engineer or engineers as the Lieutenant-Governor in Council may, from time to time, appoint to inspect the same; and such contract shall also provide that such railway shall be equipped by the said company or by the Government of Canada, with proper and sufficient rolling stock.
That was in 1910, but no sooner was that Act passed by the legislature of New Bruns-

wick than my hon. friend the hon. member for Carleton and other members of the party to which he belongs went through the length and breadth of the country saying that the Government of New Brunswick had no intention of building this road because they were asking that it should be built up to a high standard, although that was the very standard laid down by the Government of which my right hon. friend was then leader. The hon. member for Carleton, in the course of his speech to-day, spoke as if the Government of New Brunswick, of which I was then premier, had not been sincere in its desire to build this road; that they had placed obstacles in its path. Let me tell him that it was the party to which he belongs that in season and out of season tried to burke the building of that road because they did not wish the local government of New Brunswick to have the credit of giving to the people of the St. John valley those railway facilities Which they had so long been without and which they had so long desired. That Act was passed in the year
1910.	It was found impossible to secure any contractors willing to build the road under the provisions of the Act up to the standard required, even with the guarantee of $25,000 a mile and the Dominion subsidy of $6,400 a mile.
Little more was said about it, and in June,
1911,	as the representative of my province I went to London to attend the Coronation, on the invitation of the Government of Great Britain. While I was away my hon. friend Mr. Flemming, who was acting as Premier, entered into further negotiation with Dr. Pugsley, Minister of Public Works, with regard to the matter.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I know my hon. friend wants to give the historical record. Will he now deal with the legislation passed by this Parliament prior to his leaving for London in June?


John Douglas Hazen: That is the statute which my hon. friend said had such a vicious clause, which, however, he was unable to find.
Mr. CARVELL; Let us straighten this thing out. I am referring to the legislation of 1911.


John Douglas Hazen: I will treat my hon. friend with every courtesy and extend to him every proper latitude, but I do not propose to allow him to rise and make speeches while I am on the floor.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You will not give the facts; you dare not do it.


Mr. SPEAKER:: I would like to say that in my judgment the hon. member is out of order in saying that another member dare not give the facts.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I wish he would do it.


John Douglas Hazen: When the hon. member talks about not daring to give the facts, shakes his fist, and loses his temper, he is at a very great disadvantage and is really doing injustice to himself more than to anybody else. I was going on to say that from that time down, I had very little, if anything, to do with the negotiations regarding the St. John Valley. I arrived back in Canada a day or two after the Dominion elections were announced. I had met my right hon. friend (Sir Wilfrid Laurier) in London, and lie left for Canada a week or two before I did. From the time I heard the House had dissolved, I was in the midst of the general elections and was soon after requested by my right hon. friend and leader to take a seat in the federal Government.
In regard to the standard of this road, it must be built up to a proper standard, as I believe it is going to be one of the greatest links in the chain of through communication to be found anywhere in Canada. Not only will it connect at Grand Falls with the Grand Trunk Pacific, but I believe before many years' time you will find a road running from Andover across the state of Maine to the Quebec bridge, which, in conjunction with the St. John Valley road, will be the shortest means of communication from the city of Quebec to an ocean port in the Maritime provinces. Work in that direction has already been begun. When that road has been completed-and some day it undoubtedly will be-and when the Valley railway is connected with it and is also connected with the National Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls, as it will be, and with the great amount of local traffic that will be developed in the splendid country through which it passes for almost its entire length from Grand Falls down to the sea-I believe the road will be one of the greatest trunk lines of communication in Canada, and therefore it is desirable that it should be built up to a high standard of excellence. My hon. friend from Carleton says it is not being built up to that standard. My information is to the contrary. I am informed that when the contract was entered into with Mr. Gould, having regard to the

carefully prepared estimates of the road made by David Maxwell, a civil engineer of large experience who has worked under both Governments in Canada-it was found that the $25,000 and the $6,400 would not be sufficient to build the road up to the proper standard. Every one of us knows that railroads cost enormous sums of money compared with their cost a few years ago. Parts of the Grand Trunk line through the centre of New Brunswick cost over $100,000 a mile, and that the average cost was well up to $70,000 a mile. In the present case, the road is being built with 80-lb. rails; with steel, stone and concrete bridges; proper grades, proper ballast, and with everything necessary to fit it for being in the future a trunk line of railway. My hon. friend says that it is not being built up to that standard. All I can say is that the work is being carefully inspected as it proceeds by Mr. Taylor, on behalf of the Dominion Government-a most competent engineer-and also by Mr. Maxwell, on behalf of the provincial Government, and that no sums are paid out except on the certificates of those engineers. I, of course, do not possess the great engineering skill and science which is so eminently possessed by my hon. friend from Carleton, N.B., in common with knowledge on pretty nearly every subject that is brought up in the House; but I think it will be found on investigation that the men who are charged with the responsibility of seeing that the road is built up to the proper standard are carrying out their duties faithfully, and that the road, when completed, will be very satisfactory. I would have had the estimate of Mr. Maxwell here had I known earlier that my hon. friend was going to bring this matter before the House. He kindly gave me notice, which I only received at a quarter to one to-day, when I could not lay hands on the estimate; but I remember that it was found that the guarantee and the bonds would not be sufficient to build the road, and that further money would have to be obtained. The company was given authority to issue bonds to the amount o>f $35,000 a mile, $25,000 of which was to be guaranteed by the Government of the province. Before the Government entered into this contract with Mr. Gould for the purpose of building this road, they had what appeared to them satisfactory assurances from a banking house in the city of New York. They made inquiries regarding the standing of this hanking house from different banks and institutions in New York, and they were all of a highly satisfactory character. Toe gentleman representing this firm came before the Government and said he was prepared to advance without any provincial guarantee the sum of ten thousand dollars a mile, and gave his guarantee and undertaking to that effect. As the time went on, he was forced to ooime before the Government and say that in view of the money stringency that was prevailing in the United States and everywhere else, he was unable to carry out his guarantee. It was found that to bring action against him on his guarantee was impossible, and therefore the Government of the province in order to get the road completed were compelled at the last session to guarantee bonds to the extent of a further $10,000 a mile. That is entirely exclusive of the bridges which have been referred to this afternoon. In order to bring that road by the shortest route into the cast side of the city of St. John, in touch with Courtenay bay and the new harbour improvements being carried on there, bridges have to be constructed, one across the St. John rivei, at some point below Gagebown and another across the Kennebecasis river at Ferry Point. Then the road will follow the valley of the St. John down to The Mistake, or thereabouts. After 'connecting with the Intercolonial it will go on to Courtenay bay over the Government railway. Those bridges will be very expensive. In addition to these another less expensive 'bridge will have to be built crossing the St. John river on the east to the west side in the neighbourhood of Andover, in the county of Victoria. After the change of administration in 1911 the representatives of the province of New Brunswick came to Ottawa, and placed their case before the Government for consideration. They put forward that the Government had entered into >an agreement to operate this road as part oif the Intercodoniail railway system, thereby recognizing the advantages of that road to the country. That being the case, they asked, in order to secure the completion of the contract that the company had entered into, that the Government would guarantee the loan that was required to construct the bridges along the route. They had an opinion from Mr. Maxwell that these bridges would cost possibly $1,000,000 or in that vicinity and, acting upon that opinion, which they believed to be correct, I am very glad to say that my colleagues of the Government agreed to guarantee for a period of fifteen

years the interest on the bonds of the bridges. It was provided in the Act that after fifteen years the bridges should be credited with the earnings of the road in proportion to the cost of the bridges as compared with the cost of the road when it was constructed. Doubt arose as to whether this amount was sufficient to build these bridges. The result was that the provincial government engaged the services of Mr. Monsarrat, an eminent bridge expert who was employed in connection with the construction of the Quebec bridge. Mr. Monsarrat found that at the point on the St. John river where it was proposed to erect the bridge, the point where it should be erected geographically speaking, one would have to go hundreds of feet down to get a sufficient foundation. At Mistake they went down 120 feet and found no foundation and I believe it was estimated that the foundation would have to be put down to a depth of 260 feet. He reported that the site was impossible but he located another site at Durham wharf and he found that a foundation could be obtained there at less depth, that it was practicable to build a bridge at this place and that it could be built at a cost of $2,063,000. The bridge at the Kennebecasis was estimated at $500,000.
The Government of New Brunswick again came to Ottawa and asked the Government of Canada if they would not render further assistance. The matter was taken up and considered by the Government and I believe that the Government is willing, not to guarantee the bonds of that bridge, but to build the bridges and give the use of them for fifteen years free of rental subject to the conditions that are contained in the Act which passed this House two years ago. I see no reason, speaking for myself, why the Government should not do this. They have recognized the necessity of this railway up the St. John valley, they have recognized the principle of assisting im the construction of these bridges and they believed, when they were willing to guarantee the interest on a million dollars for fifteen years, that it would enable the bridges to be completed. Now that they have found that these bridges will cost a larger sum of money, I think it is a fair matter for favourable consideration that the Government shall agree to build the bridges out and out, that the railway shall use them for fifteen years and that the arrangement in
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regard to the proportion of the cost of the bridges to the whole road which is embodied in the Act passed in 1912 by the Parliament of Canada shall be applied after that.
The speech of the hon. member for Car-leton might be read in two ways. To a certain class it could be said:	The hon.
member for Carletom is entirely opposed to having these bridges built at all. 13 the hon. gentleman sincere and candid in the statements which he has made to the House to-day? Is the hon. gentleman not still playing the game that he has played for so many years of trying to prevent the Government from coming to the aid of this road, and to the aid of the province and making provision by which these bridges shall be built and without which the rest of the road is an impossibility ? The hon. gentleman has also referred to the question of the connection at Grand Palls. There is no doubt in the world that there will be connection at Grand Falls with the St. John Valley railway. The only doubt about the matter in the mind of the Minister of Railways and Canals is whether it will be necessary to build a bridge across the river and to build twenty-five or thirty miles of railway, or whether the same result can be attained rvithout any such expenditure by obtaining running rights from Andover to Grand Falls over the existing line of railway and which, in large measure, would be paralleled if a new line were built. A year ago there was no doubt, and there is no doubt to-day, but that the railway-known as the St. John Valley will connect at Grand Falls with the Grand Trunk Pacific and be in a position to receive from that railway western freight at Grand Falls to be hauled over the road and shipped out of the port of St. John, and also to carry freight from the port of St. John to Grand Falls.
Not content with talking about the St. John Valley railway, my hon. friend has also made a further reference to the Southampton railway, a road that is now under investigation, and to investigate which a gentleman has been appointed by the Railway Department. The hon. gentleman made some unfounded statements even in regard to that road. The province originally, when I was premier, guaranteed the bonds of that road to the amount of $10,000 a mile. It was thirteen miles in length. But we did not guarantee those bonds until the Canadian Pacific railway had agreed to enter into a contract to maintain, equip

and operate the road and pay a rental of forty per cent of the gross earnings therefor and until I had in my possession the report of their traffic manager to the effect that the road would earn such a sum of money that with the division of the rental at forty cents on the dollar there would be quite sufficient to pay all the interest on the bonds guaranteed by the province and leave a surplus in addition.
The hon. gentleman has also made reference to a railway line extending from the Intercolonial railway to the Grand falls on Nipisiguit river. A guarantee of $15,000 a mile was given by the provincial Government. That line has been in operation during a number of years, and the province has not been called upon to pay a dollar in consequence of that guarantee. The road was built for the purpose of opening up the great iron deposits at and near the Grand falls of the Nipisiguit. These deposits were operated by the Canadian Iron Company, with which Mr. Drummond was connected, and large quantities of ore have been taken out and shipped away to the markets of the world. Employment has been given to a large number of people and quite a thriving town has been built at Grand Falls.
The hon. gentleman speaks as if the money had been thrown away. Every member in the House of Assembly voted in favour of it. Everybody regarded it as a good business transaction; not only did it develop this property, but the province got royalties on the iron that was taken out from the mines. While the mines may be temporarily closed down, I feel that they will shortly be operating again and I am sure that the province will not be out of pocket in consequence of that policy which was approved of by every member in the House of Assembly, Liberal and Conservative alike. I will venture to say that the hon. member for Gloucester (Mr. Turgeon) will not assert , that it was improper for the Government of New Brunswick to guarantee the bonds of that railway. He knows the place, he knows the value of the deposits, he knows the nature of the road, he knows how thoroughly and well it is built; and I hope the day is not far distant when the improvements now going on in Bathurst harbour being completed, they will be able to ship the iron ore at Bathurst and not be compelled to take it so much farther Newcastle, as at present. Further, I hope that in the near future we shall hhve a smelter established at Bathurst, where the
iron will be treated, thus giving employment to a large number of people.
I feel, Mr. Speaker, that I should not have trespassed so long upon the time of the House, as the matter of the Valley railway has been discussed for several years here by my hon. friend from St. John (Mr. Pugsley), by my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell), by other hon. gentlemen, and by myself. Little, if any, new light has been thrown on the subject by what has been said here today. I cannot help expressing my regret and the pain I feel that my hon. friend from Carleton, for the purpose of making an attack upon the Premier of New Brunswick, whose case will soon be under consideration by a high tribunal, and who represents the same county in the Legislature that my hon friend represents in this Parliament, should have made the uncalled for suggestion that by going to New York, as he has gone this week, he is going for the purpose of trying to cover up and conceal some transaction in connection with the Valley railway. The Hon. Mr. Flemming has been a very sick man. Three or four years ago, when I was in the legislature with him he had an illness very similar to that from which he is now suffering, and for months he was in a very bad state of health. He has been exceedingly ill this year; he has for a long period been confined to his room, and for part of that time confined to his bed. Under these circumstances, my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell) might have been a little more generous, a little more magnanimous, a little more imbued with the feeling of fair play, and of appreciation of the fact that even our adversaries in politics should be treated with some degree of fairness and decency, than to make the unprovoked attack he has made on Mr. Flemming, alleging, practically in effect, that Mr. Flemming's trip to New York, where he has gone to consult a specialist, is for some improper purpose in connection with the Valley railway.
I feel that it is not necessary for me to go into the details of the construction of the railway, which have been referred to by the hon. member. I shall leave that matter where it is, believing and hoping that all the facts in connection with it will be submitted to the public, so that they may judge of the charges that have been made.
If the statements made to me, not only by Mr, Black, but by other members of

the committee, the statements made to me by individual members of the Government, the statements made to me by gentlemen in whose judgment and honesty I have always had confidence, are true, then the investigation will show that not a dollar of money has been diverted from its proper purpose, that every dollar of public money voted and handed over has gone into the construction of the railway, and that the province of New Brunswick and the Dominion of Canada are getting good value for the assistance they have given to that very necessary public work.


Mr. PIUS MICHAUD (Victoria, N.B.):: I desire to say a few words, Mr. Speaker, on this Valley railway question. I must congratulate my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell) on giving his views so forcibly to this House. I cannot agree with the Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen) that my hon. friend from Carleton used vulgar language in telling certain stories. There are circulating in the province of New Brunswick to-day stories which I am afraid will be found to be true, and that is why some of our friends opposite do not like these stories to Ibe repeated in this House before they are proven. I assure the House that the question of the Valley railway is the great question in the province of New Brunswick to-day. We are not satisfied with the construction of that railway at the present moment. The building of the road is entirely in the hands of the Yankees, and while we love the Yankees as neighbours, we do not love them when they come into our country to do work that we should do ourselves. We had some very good advice from the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, when he came to my town a couple of years ago and told us to keep away from the Yankees. He told us that, as we were neighbours with the Americans, we would probably be tempted to deal with them, but he warned us to have nothing to do with them. I ask this House why Mr. Gould, instead of a Canadian, has the contract for this Valley railway. I shall give an answer, and I think that answer will be accepted. Mr. Gould's head office is in Presqu' Isle, in the state of Maine, and there is where he keeps his books and conducts his correspondence. To-day there are before the Legislature of New Brunswick charges that money has been improperly spent on that road, and the question is how we are going to reach the

books of Mr. Gould in order to prove the charges. A Royal Commission will be appointed soon, but I ask hon. members, under what authority can we reach these books? I do not see any.
At the upper end of the St. John river is the town of Grand Falls, which is supposed to be the terminus of the St. John Valley railway. But subsidies have been voted to build the road only as far as Andover, twenty-five miles from Grand Falls. The whole point is that the road should be built to Grand Falls in order to compete with the Canadian Pacific railway and connect with the Transcontinental railway. If that road is not built as far as Grand Falls, we shall never have any competition along the St. John valley. Grand Falls is developing very rapidly; we have great water-powers there and new industries will come in; we are buying lands all around the town, and we are preparing to erect pulp and paper mills. The St. John valley is the most fertile valley in the Maritime provinces, and indeed in all Canada. We have on both sides of the river the very best soil, and the people are progressing rapidly. There is no reason why that part of the road between Andover and Grand Falls should not be built at the present time, along with the rest of the railway. But there is one reason which is not openly stated, and I think I shall not be mistaken if 1 give it to the House. There is another great railway corporation interested in this Valley railway, and we know why Mr. Gould has been hired by it to construct the St. John Valley railway. This railway connects with the Transcontinental railway at Grand Falls, and is going to take much traffic from another great corporation which runs from St. John, N.B., through Grand Falls, and out to the Pacific coast. The Minister of Marine and Fisheries .spoke of railways across the state of Maine, and I was surprised to hear him make that allusion. I do not believe he was sincere when he did so. Why a road across the state of Maine in order to reach Quebec? Have we not, at the present time, a road practically finished from St. John to Quebec or Levis? But that is not the road which the Canadian Pacific railway wants to be built; it does not satisfy the Canadian Pacific railway. The Canadian Pacific railway wants a line independent of the Transcontinental railway or the Intercolonial railway-a line of its own. In order to (have a line of its own it is obliged to cross the state of Maine. The

St. John Valley railway is being built entirely with Canadian money upon the bond guarantees of the provincial Government and the subsidies of this Government; not a cent of American money is invested in it. The people of New Brunswick are not satisfied with this railway, as it is not being built to a proper standard. When my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries said that my hon. friend from Carleton was not satisfied with this road, he was right. We are ready to criticise it in order to have a better one, if possible. There are charters for many railways in the province of New Brunswick, for roads which should be built and which are not being built. I know all that is going on in regard to the road from Plaster Bock to Riley's Brook. It is not being built because the members of the company are Liberals and not Tories. That is the whole story. The company made application to the provincial legislature last year and again this year; but because certain parties are in the company, the provincial Government have no faith in them. I am sorry that during the last two or three years there have not been more Liberals in some of the railway companies in order 1o protect the public treasuries of the country.
At six o'clock, the House took recess.
The House resumed at eight o'clock.



PRIVATE BILLS.


[Stage Direction]
Bill No. 142 respecting the Pacific, Trans-Canada and Hudson Bay Railway Company. -Mr. Douglas.
Bill No. 97, to incorporate the All Red Line Railway Company, title changed to The Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company.-Mr. Fripp.

Pius Michaud: Mr. Speaker, when you left the Chair at six o'clock I was about to show the members of this House the importance of building a railway between Riley Brook and Plaster Rock in the county of Victoria, N.B. The provincial Government has refused to guarantee the bonds for the construction of this railway, for many Teasons. I have already cited one or two reasons, and I wish to give a couple of others. There seemed to be a great objection to the members of the company which was to construct the road. The provincial Government look only to their own political friends. The members of the company are to-day building the road, or a part of it, at their own expense; they are 191
putting their own money into the project with the hope of ultimately getting assistance from the provincial Government. I understand that they have what we call a subsidy contract with the Dominion Government, and I hope that the Minister of Railways will make this contract good in order to encourage the construction of this road. Every possible effort was made to prevent the construction of this railway line and I am sorry to say that without the aid of the provincial Government nothing can be done for some time. This road, if it is built, will run through the best parts of the province of New Brunswick. It will follow along the Tobique valley, one of the most fertile districts in the province. I saw wheat growing there five feet high; other kinds of grain are successfully grown. They grow good hay there, and at the head of the Tobique river are probably the best lumber limits in Canada. A railway line from Riley Brook to Plaster Rock is certainly needed.
Some reference has been made to the Southampton railway. I am not going to touch that subject at all, except to say that this railroad has been built for a certain amount of money and it is said that the contractors have made a big sum out of it. I was told that the St. John Valley railway, now under construction, is not much better built than this Southampton railway. If that is the case, the contractors are making quite a profit in its construction. I am glad to say that the members of the Legislature of New Brunswick have consented to vote $10,000 a mile in order to finish the work of the Valley railway if all this money goes into the construction. The road in its present condition, and if finished as started, will not be satisfactory to the country. I am glad to say that the members of the Opposition in the provincial Legislature, Mr. Dugal and Mr. Pelletier, have given their consent to this subsidy, and I am sure that they are to be congratulated on what they have done. The hon Minister of Railways told me last year that the railway from Andover to Grand Falls-that is the continuation of the Valley railway-was not to be built immediately. I cannot understand why a part of this road should not be built; it is just as important as the building of a road in any other part of the province. There are at the upper end of the province of New Brunswick a number of rapidly-rising towns. We have at Grand Falls the greatest water-power in Canada; we need better transportation facilities, and this



road should be built as far as that town. We are told that we can have running rights over the Canadian Pacific railway from Andover to Grand Falls, a distance of twenty-five miles, but that will not be satisfactory; we want a road of our own. The province has voted money to build this road; why have running rights over the Canadian Pacific railway for such a short distance? I am glad to notice that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries has promised a bridge at Andover; this bridge will be much needed if we are to build this road as far as Grand Falls.
In closing, I desire to say that this Valley railway has been the occasion of a great many discussions in this House and in the provincial Legislature of New Brunswick, but we have obtained very little satisfaction from what has been done so far. I hope that the road will soon be completed not only as far as Andover, where it will branch out to the state of Maine, but also along the St. John river as far as Grand Falls.


Harry Fulton McLeod: In the few remarks that I shall address to this House with regard to the matter under discussion, which got before the House I know not how-I believe the hon. member for Carleton (Mr. Carvell) was entirely out of order-I wish to confine myself to my memory of the facts, of which I have a general knowledge-of the facts and otherwise, chiefly otherwise, that have been brought before the House by the hon. gentleman who has preceded me. I sometimes wonder, when the hon. member for Carleton addresses the House, as he does very often, whether he himself actually believes what he, in hysterical tones, states to this House.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Order, order.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I do not think the hon. gentleman is out of order. If he had said that the hon. member did not believe what the hon. member presented to the House, he might have been out of order; but I do not think that in saying what he did he was out of order.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I sometimes wonder, Mr. Speaker, whether the hon. member for Carleton actually himself believes the violent and vicious statements that he makes in this House.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Order.


Harry Fulton McLeod: If he does, then I can only say that my sympathy goes out to the

perverted mind and the dishonest intellect that allows him to make such statements.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Order.


Mr. OLIVER:: Mr. Speaker, is that remark in order?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I do not think the words 'dishonest intellect' are exactly in order.


Harry Fulton McLeod: May I explain what I mean by the words 'dishonest intellect'? It is a perverted frame of mind: it is a state of mind which the hon. member gets himself into, believing that no man on the other side who differs from him politically can have an honest conviction o.r can pursue an honest course. I do not wish to follow the hon. member in the violent assault which he has made, but I do say that any man who, standing in his place on the floor of this House, is unable, by reason of the unfairness of his mind, to come to believe that any member holding different political views from his has not honest, straightforward, manly views- that man has a dishonest intellect, and is unable to give an honest view on any political situation.
My hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, in his discussion of this matter, has gone into the early history of the St. John Valley railway, as we understand it in the province of New Brunswick. I shall not follow him in the detailed and specific outline of that proposition. May I say this, though, that for many years the St. John Valley railway was a football for politicians in the province of New Brunswick. We came into power in New Brunswick in 1908, and with no promise given to the people of that province-as my hon. friend will admit-to build a line of railway along the valley of the St. John. We did recognize, however, that for many years there had been an insistent demand-a demand founded upon right, and upon all that makes for the prosperity of the country- from the people of the St. John valley, for a railway there. At the time of Confederation we looked for such a line to toe built, and we looked more hopefully still when the National Transcontinental railway was talked of. We expected that the line would be built where geography said it should be built. If we believe the statements made by the hon. member for Carleton, N.B., since he has had a seat in this House, he should be the most valiant exponent of the rights of the people in the St. John valley. When the National Transcontinental rail-

way was toeing exploited, and wlhen there was a desire all over the province for that road to be built down the valley of the St. John, the Liberal party called a convention. Mr. Porter, from the parish of Andover in t/he constituency of my bon. friend from Madawaska and Victoria (Mr. Michaud)-a true Liberal and a gentleman who had the interests of the province of New Brunswick at heart-moved a resolution at that convention that the National Transcontinental railway should go not across the wilderness of the province, tout down the valley of the St. John. My hon. friend from Carleton from party expediency anid in order, as he said, not to embarrass the Liberal Government at Ottawa, made that resolution still-born.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon. friend does not know what he is talking about; no such thing ever happened. I say that what the hon. member says is not true; he is misinformed, and I want him to take it back.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Since the hon. member for Oarleton denies the truthfulness of the statement, the hon. member for York is obliged to accept his statement.


Harry Fulton McLeod: By parliamentary usage
I aim obliged to accept Ms statement, but will my hon. friend deny that Mr. Porter of Andover proposed a resolution at that convention that the railway should come down the valley of the St. John?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, I will not.


Harry Fulton McLeod: More than that, Mr. Porter s resolution was still-born in that convention, was it not?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No.
Mr. McLEOD. Did it reach the convention?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes.


Harry Fulton McLeod: No, it did not.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I say it did.


Harry Fulton McLeod: It was called off, and my hon. friend was the chief executioner of that resolution.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That statement is false, and I want my hon. friend to withdraw it.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: I would like -to say to
the hon. member for Carleton that after the withdrawal by the hon. member for York, the hon. member for Carleton is certainly out of order in still declaring that he made a false statement.
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Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Mr. Speaker, I want to tell my hon. friend that he is entirely misinformed; no such thing ever happened.


Thomas Simpson Sproule: The hon. member for
York is bound by parliamentary rules to accept the hon. member for Carleton's statement.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Undoubtedly I am bound [DOT] by parliamentary rules, and I propose to be during the few remarks I have to make.
I accept, by parliamentary usage, the statement made toy my hon. friend. The hon. member for Carleton has admitted that such a resolution was prepared by Mr. Porter of Andover; but did it pass the Liberal convention? Did it, my hon. friend? It did not, and yet the province-of New Brunswick stood as a unit absolutely in favour of the St. John Valley route. What happened to that resolution? Had my hon. friend lost his influence with the Liberal party in New Brunswick? Did he exert his influence to put that resolution througn the convention, or did he not? He is on the horns of this dilemma: either he did not and was therefore opposed to that route; or he had lost his weight and influence with the Liberal party in the province of New Brunswick.
He must decide between these two horns of the dilemma in which he finds himself. We did not get the Valley Tailway on that occasion. It was not the responsibility oi the Conservative party that we did not get it. The responsibility lies with hon. gentlemen opposite and lies at the door of my hon. friend from Carleton .and in other places. We came into power in 1908, we were unpledged and unpromised in regard to this road, but we did have at our door the responsibility of providing adequate railway transportation facilities for the province of New Brunswick. There came to us, as the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries has said, not from one county, but from many counties, gentlemen of both political parties urging us to give them those transportation facilities so long denied them by hon. gentlemen opposite. We were then the Conservative Government in the province of New Brunswick. There was in power then at Ottawa a Liberal Government supported by the hon. member for Carleton.
It needed, as was stated on the floors of the Legislature by a gentleman of the Liberal persuasion from the county of St. John, the conjunction and the united forces of a party at Fredericton and a party at Ottawa to make this thing a success.

The hon. member for Carleton, at a meeting in Woodstock, read a letter. The letter, fortunately, is embodied in a statute of the province of New Brunswick. He read in the city of Woodstock a letter from the hon. member for St. John City (Mr. Pugsley), then Minister of Public Works, in which he indicated the kind of railway that he would be willing to take over and operate as a part of the Canadian Government railway system. My hon. friend knew when he read that letter that he specified a kind of railway that it was impossible to provide with the aid that the province had given and the Dominion subsidy. The Premier of New Brunswick then, the Hon. Mr. Hazea, had said that if the Parliament of Canada would take over and operate the road the province would guarantee the bonds for $25,000 per mile. My hon. friend the member for Carleton read in the city of Woodstock a letter from Mr. Pugsley in which he said that he would take over and operate such a line if it was built with a -4 per cent grade, with concrete bridges and culverts and up to the standard of the National Transcontinental. So, in 1910, having in mind the guiles and wiles of the gentlemen opposed to us, we passed an Act guaranteeing the bonds of the St. John Valley railway for $25,000 a mile provided the road was built to a standard of Ho per cent grade, and with concrete or stone culverts and bridges. We did that because we knew that the road, with the aid in sight could not be built up to that standard.
My hon. friend this afternoon, in the course of the hysterical, wild remarks that he made, said that the Government of New Brunswick had held off, had tried to hold up this railway, and had tried to hinder it in every way. Absolutely the reverse is the truth. We honestly went .into that project with the idea of building the road. We knew that our friends at Ottawa, then in charge of the Government of this country, did not want that road built by a Conservative Government in New Brunswick. We knew that every obstacle that could be placed in the way of building the road by a Conservative Government would be placed by my hon. friend from Carleton and my hon. friend from the city of St. John who is not now in his seat. My hon. friend from Carleton stated, I think I am right although I am speaking from memory, on many platforms, that the road could be built for $31,000 a mile.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The kind of a road you are building now-yes.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I think I am right in stating that the hon. gentleman said that the road could be built for $31,000 a mile. I regret that I have not the contract before me, but, speaking from memory, our contract provides that there shall be a maximum grade of one per cent going west, and that there shall be from the city of Fredericton to St. John, where the heaviest traffic goes, a maximum grade of Ho per cent. Am I right?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I am right.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Four-tenths going east and six-tenths going west.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Pour-tenths going to the sea; that is what I said. The hon. gentleman will admit that this is a very high class road. If there was one thing that impressed me more than another while I heard the hon. gentlemen for Carleton discussing this matter this afternoon, it was that he was presenting the most pitiable indictment that could be framed against tbe National Transcontinental railway in New Brunswick. There has been built through the virgin wilderness of the province of New Brunswick, through the uncut timber regions, the crown lands of the province, through the revenue-producing timber area, a road from Edmundston down to the seaport of Moncton which never saw the sea. If my hon. friend will speak honestly as a man he will tell me to-day that that road stands there as a monument to a crime. Will he say so? He will not speak because he knows that that railway, built from Edmundston across the virgin wilderness of New Brunswick to the seaport of Moncton, which was never a seaport and never will be, is a monument to a crime. Had I been in his place, I would have been man enough, I would have loved the province I grew up in enough, 1 would have been independent enough to have stood up in this Parliament for the old province of New Brunswick, settled by loyalists as he said. I would have been man enough, party or no party, to have stood up for a line where it ought to have been built-down the valley of the St. John, settled, as be says, by good, old, loyal stock.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: If my hon. friend will turn up 'Hansard' for 1905, he will find that in the first speech I ever made in this House I was doing exactly what he says he would have done.


Harry Fulton McLeod: How did you vote?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You cannot find it on
record anywhere that I voted against the road going down the St. John valley.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Nor can it toe found on record anywhere that the hon. member (Mr. Carvell) ever moved in this House that the road should come down the valley, because he never did it. I admit that the hon. member was in favour of the Valley road; he could not be anything else.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Then, what are you talking about?


Harry Fulton McLeod: You know what I am
talking about. Living as he does in the St. John valley, my hon. friend in his [DOT]heart-I think he has a heart-could not oppose the railway coming down the valley.
I have every regard for him; I have nothing to say about him except politically. My hon. friend had it in his heart ,to do the right, but actually to do the right is another thing. My hon. friend is a man of courage in elections, and I believe he possesses some bulldog pertinacity; but he did not have enough of the old stock in him to go against his party. That is the whole thing. The dominant side of his party was against him, and he did not have enough of the big fist to stand up and be a real man against his party, for the province and for the St. John valley. That was the trouble with him. We fought our little fight; we came to Ottawa. I myself came to Ottawa during the dark days of the St. John Valley railway, when the Liberals were in power. We came here, and the Hon. William Pugsley received us with that charming manner with which he receives everybody-with that graciousness of spirit that always characterizes him. I believe that he in his heart was in sympathy with the St. John Valley railway, but he was not in sympathy with the Tories building it; he did not want them to get the credit. We negotiated with him off and on, from time to time, with indifferent success; and then came that happy moment in September, 1911, when the Lord delivered them into our hands. Then we came to deal with gentlemen who had a friendly interest in the building of that railroad. I myself came to Ottawa and interviewed the bon. Minister of Railways, who is not now in this House, I, acting for the Government of New Brunswick, entered into a contract or agreement to lease for ninety-nine years the road; and to-day the hon. member for Carleton (Mr. Carvell) said: Why, they actually changed the statute. Well, we did. We did not want to build across New Brunswick a line like the National Transcontinental railway, which cost $102,000 per mile-some of it went into the road. We did not want to build that kind of a line, but we did want to build a line better than the Intercolonial railway, and better than the Canadian Pacific railway in New Brunswick, and we entered into a contract or agreement to lease for ninety-nine years the St. John Valley railway, to be operated by the Government of Canada as part of the Government railway system. It is a road constructed to the maximum of a one per cent grade going West-


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Going both ways.


Mr.   M LEOD@: But a maximum of Vio
per cent grade going from the city of Fredericton to the port of St. John, where the heavy traffic would be. This afternoon my hon. friend made a great many ex parte statements, which he said were deduced from his own knowledge. He is a politician of some merit, and he says he has gone over this road and knows it. I think I may speak for the sixty-two miles in my own county, which I know better than he ever will, as I have been over it more than he ever will, and I have examined its grades and know its curvatures. I have done more than that; I have sat as a member of the Government of New Brunswick, and I know that when my hon. friend (Mr. Carvell) makes the statements he made this afternoon, he states what is absolutely beyond the fact. Save only the National Transcontinental railway, there is no better line of railway constructed in Canada, built to a higher standard, or constructed more exactly to specifications, than the line of railway down the valley of the St. John, from Woodstock to the city of Fredericton. We do not exceed at any one point on that line a maximum grade of one per cent.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Yes, you do.


Harry Fulton McLeod: We only reach that maximum in two instances in the sixty-two miles. I heard my hon. friend this afternoon exonerate Mr. Taylor, the Government engineer appointed by the Department of Railways and Canals to supervise the estimates and to supervise that railway. I heard my hon. friend state that Mr. Taylor was a gentleman of repute. Am

I right? Mr. D. F. Maxwell is also an engineer of repute.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I did not say that.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I say so; do you deny it?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have not said so yet.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I know that, too. Mr. D. F. Maxwell has no connection with the St. John Railway Company; no connection with the St. John and Quebec Railway Company; no connection with the Quebec and St. John Railway Company; he is employed by the province of New Brunswick. I observed, in the discussion this afternoon, that the hon. member for Carleton, in one of his wild moments, said that $1,700,000 had been sent away to New York to the Yankee boodlers.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is $2,700,000.


Harry Fulton McLeod: You said $1,700,000.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was wrong if I did;
it was two millions.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I took your word for it that it was $1,700,000, and that was an error of judgment on my part. The hon. member stated, then, taking what he says now, that $2,700,000 had been sent to these Yankee boodlers and carried away to the city of New York. Am I right?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You are not very far
from the truth.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Well, I was only one
million dollars out, taking the hon. gentleman's own statement. Does my hon. friend seriously propound that proposition to this House, or does he not?
He observed also that the St. John and Quebec Railway Company had floated the bonds guaranteed by the province of New Brunswick at 95 in the city of London in
1912.	He is a little in error; they floated them at 96 and a fraction, which price in 1912 was pretty good for guaranteed bonds. If my hon. friend knows anything about finance, he must know that guaranteed bonds sell at from three to four points lower than straight bonds of a province. Every one knows that. When they got 96 and a fraction for these bonds, not 95, which is a minor error on the part of my hon. friend, they sold them at a mighty good price and were mighty lucky to sell them then. Any man who has to do with finance knows that he could not sell those bonds now; that he could not have sold them six months after-
wards. The depression' of the money market in all parts of the world had come, and tightness of money had made it impossible that any bonds, no matter how good they were, could be sold at a profit in the markets of the world. My hon. friend knows that; yet he went into hysterics this afternoon, because, as he said, they sold the bonds at 95. Then he said that they took $2,700,000 to New York to these Yankee boodlers. As a matter of fact they did nothing of the kind. Before those bonds ware given, before a single dollar went into the hands of the men who had the contract to build that road, arrangements were made with the Prudential Trust Company of the city of Montreal, which I think is a reputable concern, by which all the proceeds of the sale of those bonds, which, as he says truthfully, were guaranteed en bloc, were to be paid into the Prudential Trust Company and to be paid out on the certificate of an engineer of the province of New Brunswick and on the authority of an Order in Council of that province. Therefore not a single dollar of the $2,000,000, or the $1,000,000, whichever he likes, went to the city of New York or to any other place in the United States, but remained in the city of Montreal in the Dominion of Canada in the hands of the Prudential Trust Company to be paid out only on the authority of an Order in Council. Does my hon. friend deny that?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I certainly do. My hon. friend surely knows that the company got $2,700,000, which wa3 handed over to the Quebec and St. John Valley Railway Company and taken to New York.


Harry Fulton McLeod: The St. John and Quebec railway had a contract from the province of New Brunswick, which they let to the Quebec and St. John Construction Company. This company also had their office in the city of Fredericton, and they also could not draw a single dollar from the treasury except by an Order in Council of the province of New Brunswick. My hon.
friend need not attempt to draw 9 p.m. a red herring across the trail or to speak about sending the money to Yankees. When my hon. friend referred to Arthur R. Gould as a down-east Yankee, a man who could twist myself, the hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries and the present Prime Minister around his finger, I wonder what created the animosity in his mind against that gentleman.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I have none whatever.
I admire him.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Yes. Mr. Arthur R.
Gould is a man who goes ahead with things, who not only does things in the St. John valley, but is interested in cheap power, as my hon. friend knows. Not long ago he applied to the town council of Woodstock, which is my hon. friend s home, to be allowed to bring cheap power to that town. My hon. friend was there with his big fist up fighting as hard as he could for his company, but Mr. Gould got in even against the competition of my hon. friend's company. That is the whole story.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon. friend is
wrong only to the extent that Mr. Gould did not get in.


Harry Fulton McLeod: My information is that, notwithstanding every effort of my hon. friend to preserve his own high-priced company, he did get in.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: He did not get in.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Although I am neither a prophet nor the son of a prophet, I venture to predict to my hon. friend that within six months Mr. A. R. Gould's Aroostook power will be driving his company out of business.
My hon. friend referred to the fact that we had entered into an arrangement by which, under the operation of the St. John Valley railway, the Intercolonial should take 60 per cent of the gross earnings to pay the upkeep and the maintenance of the road, and 40 per cent should be paid to the province of New Brunswick to take care of the interest on the bonds guaranteed. My hon. friend asserted that 40 per cent would not pay for the axle grease that ran the road, if it was a local road. About half an hour afterwards in his argument he said: Why, this road belongs to the St. John and Quebec Railway Company; they own every inch of the right of way; this province has guaranteed the bonds of a road that belongs absolutely to the St. John and Quebec Railway Company. Watch my hon. friend twist. He says that the 40 per cent would not pay the interest on the bonds; that it would not pay for the axle grease. Yet the St. John and Quebec Railway Company does not get a single dollar until the 60 per cent is paid and until that 40 per cent pays the interest. Where does my hon. friend find himself? When he says that the 40 per cent will not take care of the interest, he means that, as an asset, the St. John
Valley railway is absolutely valueless to the St. John and Quebec Valley Railway Company. Then he turns around and says that they have that great asset, which fifteen minutes before he said was valueless.
Now I come to the point that is interesting to my hon. friend from Victoria, N.B. (Mr. Michaud), and interesting also to my hon. friend from Victoria and Carleton, as I presume it is going to be. My hon. friend from Carleton this afternoon, in tones that might well have suited a more dramatic occasion, said that it was much better that this road had never been built than that these bridges had not been built. We have heard, not now only but for years, since 1910, that the intention of the Government of New Brunswick was not to build that road to the port of St. John nor to continue to a point on the Transcontinental at or near Grand Falls. My hon. friend expressed grave doubts as to whether that road would be built to Grand Falls, and he cited the fact that the subsidy was not granted from Andover to Grand Falls. That is true; and the reason why the subsidy was not granted is that the route from Andover to Grand Falls has not yet been located or approved by the Department of Railways and Canals. Does my hon. friend know that the Government of New Brunswick has entered into a contract with the St. John and Quebec Railway Company? And does he know the terms of that contract? I speak from memory, but I state it correctly when I say that that contract provides that the road shall 'be built from a point on the Transcontinental at or near Grand Falls following as closely as may be the valley of the St. John river down to the Mistake in the county of Queens crossing the St. John river at or near the Mistake and the Ken-nebecasis river at or near Perry's Point to join the Intercolonial railway at or near Rothesay. Do I quote it correctly? The hon. gentleman knows I quote it correctly. He knows as well as any one in New Brunswick knows that we have entered into a contract to build this line from the National Transcontinental at Grand Falls to St. John, carrying the through traffic, if it may be, not through the wilderness of New Brunswick, but bringing it down by a shorter route to the port of St. John? Of course he knows it, and he sits quiet because he knows I state the facts. May I point out to him that we have also a further project in our mind? We have in mind the building of a line of railway, from Andover, from the boundary line, across the state of Maine by the shortest route, making connection

with the transcontinental lines and bringing the traffic of the West down to the port of St. John and also to St. Croix and L'Etang in the near future, by a line more than one hundred miles shorter than any now in existence. My hon. friend asserted here this afternoon that he had never seen the specifications of this road.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I did not say that; I
said plans and profiles.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I think my hon. friend said he never saw the specifications. If he says he did not, I will accept his word, but hon. members of the House know what he said.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was referring to the plans and profiles.


Harry Fulton McLeod: The hon. gentleman said ' specifications.'


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I may have used the word, but what I had in mind was the plans and profiles.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I shall not undertake to place my word unsupported before this House in regard to the quality of the road. My hon. friend from Carleton did venture to place before the House his unsupported testimony as to the grades and curves of this road. I might say there is on that St. John Valley railway a maximum grade of one per cent in very few instances. When estimates came before the Government from Mr. Taylor, the Dominion Government engineer, and from Mr. Maxwell, the provincial Government engineer, not one dollar was paid to that company until the monthly progress estimates were in, and even then we did not pay them the whole of the progress estimates, but all the time, at least when I was a member of the provincial Government, and I believe since, we paid them only five-sevenths of the money actually expended on the road. And, notwithstanding that my hon. friend has said, that neither Mr. Gould nor his company has put one dollar into that road, the fact is that we have only paid five-sevenths of what the Dominion and provincial Governments' engineers stated had been actually put in the road. The only exception is that we did pay them the actual cost of the steel rails and steel bridges. Thus, at this moment, so far as the 117 miles now under construction and practically completed is concerned, we have paid only five-sevenths of that money.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Was that inclusive or exclusive of the Dominion subsidy ?


Harry Fulton McLeod: Exclusive. I stand here on my responsibility as a member of this House, knowing what I am talking about -some gentlemen do not-and I say we paid them five-sevenths only except that we paid them the actual value of the steel rails and the steel bridges.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: And they got the Dominion subsidy besides that.


Harry Fulton McLeod: They got the Dominion subsidy when they established to the satisfaction of the department here that they had earned it, and not until then.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My case is pretty nearly made out.


Harry Fulton McLeod: Not at all. Then we
reached the point where we had guaranteed the bonds; we had authorized by the legislation of 1910 in the province of New Brunswick, the issue of bonds not for $25,000 a mile, but for $35,000 a mile. We were to guarantee $25,000 a mile; but my hon. friend, if he is fair, will admit that in 1910 times were buoyant; money was easily borrowed in the money markets of the world, and everybody knew that it would be very easy to finance $10,000 of second mortgage bonds of the St. John valley railway. F. J. Lisbon & Company, of the city of New York, concerning whom we had the very finest reports, guaranteed to us that they would finance the second mortgage bonds. But there came in this country, as there comes at times in every country, a period of money stringency, and second mortgage bonds unguaranteed could not be given away. Then came that time when we handed over, as my hon. friend says, $2,000,000 more to the boodling gang. What should we have done? We had guaranteed $25,000 a mile; we were receiving $6,400 a mile in Dominion subsidies, and we were face to face, not with a railway the cost of which exceeded the estimates, but a railway lacking completion because we had not money to provide the amount of the estimate of $42,000 or $43,000 a mile made by our engineers. Should we let the matter stand, or should w7e see the project through? The men who ruled the destinies of the province of New Brunswick decided that there was only one thing to do. Here was the road to which they had contributed $25,000 a mile; for which they had a subsidy for $6,400 a mile. Let my hon. friend note this, the National Transcontinental railway was built, as he says, at a 4io per cent grade. My hon. friend did not mention that they had

a pusher grade of If per cent at Wapski, in the county of Victoria.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It is only one and one-tenth.


Harry Fulton McLeod: It is more. My hon.
friend admits that that road has a grade of one and one-tenth per cent and cost $102,000 a mile, and he says that our road should be built for $31,400 a mile. Examine it where you will, inside and outside, you find the same result: absolute heresy; absolute attempt on the part of the hon. member to make political capital where he has no facts to back him up.
I want to make one little reference to the great bridges with regard to which my hon. friend almost got down on his knees and wept. My hon. friend says that he is anxious that those great bridges should be built; that unless they are built the construction of the line is a waste of money. Do I understand my hon. friend right when I apprehend that he said that?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, f did not go that far; I said that it was necessary to build them.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I think the hon. gentleman went farther.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: You can put it any way you like.


Harry Fulton McLeod: I will put it fairly. My hon. friend said that it is necessary to build these bridges. In connection with the bridge which crosses the St. John river at the Mistake, we have the report of Mr. Monsarrat, probably as capable a foundation bridge engineer as we have in this land, who says that bridge will cost $2,063,000 if it is an engineering possibility at all. I am frank enough to say to this House- and I do not speak for any party, I speak only for myself-that I believe the proper way to enter the port of St. John is not by crossing the St. John river at the Mistake and Kennebecasis but by doublet-tracking the Canadian Pacific railway to the west side. My hon. friend the Minister of Marine may not agree with me; I do not think he does; but I have opinions of my own, and I do not care who agrees with me and who does not. But we have contracted to take that railway into the port of St. John across the St. John river and across the Kennebacasis by Rothesay and the Intercolonial railway, and we are going to fulfil the contract. We have another bridge to build across the Kennebecasis at Perry's Point, which will cost more than $500,000. My hon. friend says-mark the inconsistency of
it, Mr. Speaker-that those bridges aTe absolutely necessary, and yet he believes that the Minister of Railways should give no aid to them.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I said: let us build them ourselves, and not hand the money over to Yankees.


Harry Fulton McLeod: The contract has been
let, and it includes the bridges.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It has not.


Harry Fulton McLeod: My hon. friend knows that the St. John and Quebec Railway Company' have had the contract for the line, including bridges.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, it has'not.


Harry Fulton McLeod: My hon. friend either
knows that or he does not know what he is talking about. I know that a contract has been let for the building of that line of railway, including these bridges. A subsidiary company may build the bridges, but the contract has been let for the building of that line of railway, bridges included. My hon. friend is so much in doubt that he dare not deny my assertion. It is the old, old story. My hon. friend says that in its inception, the idea of building this road was an excellent one, a grand thing-he dare not say anything else. This road is to serve the St. John valley, which was peopled long ago, before the landing of the Loyalists, by the French Acadians, some of the best blood of old France-men who hewed out their home plots there, and peopled afterwards by men who left their homes, established in luxury in the United States, came to that valley and hewed out home plots for themselves in the wilderness, until their habitations Te-echoed the songs of the old flag.
My hon. friend was right when he said that there was no such magnificent valley in the province-a land Which in fifteen years will produce apples that will wipe out competition the world over; but he and the party behind him have thrown every possible obstacle in the way of the determined, honest effort to give transportation facilities to that province, not only as regards local traffic but for the through traffic that must, from geographical reasons, come from the middle and far west down to the port of St. John. My hon. friend's speech to-day was just another link in the Chain of the determined effort to take away from the Conservative party the credit which they deserve for their courage and energy in the fight against odds wihich

they made for building a line of railway down the valley which I love and desire to serve, and which my hon. friend -also ought to -love.


Henry Robert Emmerson: In the semi-ready and unique exhibition of declamatory eloquence to which we have listened, we have been favoured not only with a definition of dishonest intellect-a perverted mind, as I understand it-but have heen given 'an illustration, or object lesson, as well. I have appreciated very highly indeed listening to the production of my hon. friend (Mr. McLeod), hut I would have been more grateful-and I am sure the House would have been-had he dealt with the subject brought -before the House by my hon. friend from Carleton (Mr. Carvell). I observed -from imy seat that my hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod) w-as very highly gratified with his performance, but I did not observe hon. gentlemen around him indulging in the same gratification, and I am sure that they, as well -as myself, would have been	under a debt of gratitude to
him had he favoured the House with	some	expression	of opinion
on the subject which my hon. friend from Carleton very properly and aptly brought to the notice of the House this afternoon.
Without attempting to follow the hon. member for York in his-shall I say serpentine movements, always avoiding the subject, I ask you, Sir, if it was not opportune and apt that my hon. friend from Carleton should bring this matter to the notice of the House. I know that my hon. friend the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, as well as the hon. member for York, charged my hon. friend from Carleton with indulging in vituperation, and ' they considered it very unfortunate that the hon. member for Carleton should have indulged in language that could by any process be misconstrued. If my hon. friend from Carleton did indulge in that kind of discussion, and if it is wrong, it is very unfortunate that both my hon. friends the Minister of Marine and Fisheries and the hon. member for York followed his example. Mr. Speaker, what did the hon. member for Carleton bring to the notice of the House this afternoon? Unfortunately, there have been matters occurring in the province of New Brunswick which should bring the blush of shame to the cheek of at least every New Brunswicker. Unfortunately, in the Legislature of that province there have been incidents recent-

ly that do not reflect credit on the Government of the province or upon the people of the province-more's the pity that there should have been the necessity for any such incidents. We have heard a great deal with respect to the St. John Valley railroad. My hon. friend from Carleton has, I know, a habit of not mincing matters when he speaks. This at least can be said for him: there is no excuse for misunderstanding him. He never indulges in insinuation or innuendo. No one will charge him with that. When he has anything to say, he says it, and hon. gentlemen opposite know full well that those are his methods. For the purpose of warning the acting Minister of Railways, he told us this afternoon that in the province of New Brunswick they have been attempting to construct a railway, that the province, in addition to the subsidies granted by the Parliament of Canada in aid of that road, had also pledged its credit in guaranteeing its bonds; that of the proceeds from th'e bonds guaranteed by the province, over half a million dollars had been improperly diverted from its legitimate purpose; that charges had been made in the provincial Legislature against hon. members of that House, namely, the Premier of New Brunswick and a member of that Administration, now the member for York, New Brunswick. Those were the only two individuals named, and let me say that instead of indulging in the style of speech to which we have just listened, it would have been far better if the hon. member for York had not attempted to say a word along the lines which he followed, inasmuch as he stands before the Legislature of New Brunswick charged as a former member of the Government of that province with being implicated in the misappropriation of those funds. My hon. friend the Minister of Marine appealed for sympathy with respect to his former colleague, the Premier of the province of New Brunswick. He referred to the fact that these charges had been made, and that they were now under consideration by a tribunal. When were those charges made? About a fortnight ago. The Minister of Marine took credit for his friends because they appointed a Royal Commission to investigate those charges. But have they appointed a commission? They authorized it, but since then a fortnight has passed and no tribunal is considering the charges at this moment; nor has the tribunal authorized by the Legisla-

ture of the province of New Brunswick been created. When charges are mad|6 against members of a Parliament or Legislature under the British Constitution, it is usual for the members so charged to demand an instant inquiry. Was this done?


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Never.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Was this done by
Hon. Mr. Flemming, the Prime Minister of New Brunswick? No. Although public notice of the charges had been given, he came before the Legislature and, as Prime Minister of the province, rushed through a Bill to its third reading to give an additional guarantee in aid to this railway to the amount of $2,000,000; but he never opened his mouth about these charges; he never referred to the transaction in any way whatever, and yet my hon. friend from York thinks the hon. member for Carleton should have been silent with respect to the Hon. Mr. Flemming's connection with the transaction. I say it would have reflected very much to the credit of Hon. Mr. Flemming, and he would have had a greater claim upon our sympathies, if he had gone before the Legislature and demanded that an inquiry into the charges be held at once, and before any further action was taken with respect to the additional aid that was asked for this railway. Here is a charge that some half million or more of the funds of the province have been improperly appropriated in connection with the construction of this road. Before the Premier will even speak of the charges he asks that the company shall be placed in a position whereby they can realize, by reason of the credit of the province, an additional $2,000,000 ostensibly to aid in the completion of the road. No action has been taken by the Premier. The inquiry has not been held and although the legislation was rushed through, although the legislature prorogued a week ago last Saturday, although legislation has been enacted authorizing the inquiry, no steps have been taken by the Government. Here is the . head of the Government, the accused, the Premier of the province of New Brunswick, withholding action and preventing the people of that province from knowing the actual facts with respect to the charges.
The hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries (Mr. Hazen) comes before this House and condemns my hon friend from Carleton for daring to mention the matter in order that my hon. friend the acting-
Minister of Railways and Canals (Mr. Reid) shall he warned with respect to the application that is now pending before the Dominion Government lor an additional $2,000,000 in connection with some bridges that it is proposed to construct. I am sure that the hon. acting-Minister of Railways and Canals is grateful to my hon. friend from Carleton for bringing to his notice the conditions which have been prevailing in the province of New Brunswick and for advising him in respect to the matter. The Dominion Government, in the light of the facts that have this afternoon been ventilated before this House, would not. I venture to say, even dare to bring down to Parliament a proposal in aid of the construction of these bridges until these charges have been inquired into and until the facts have been declared and exposed, if there are facts to be exposed, to the people of this Dominion. It is a fair proposition that no action should he taken by the federal Government in connection with this railway until that inquiry has been held. Action should not have been taken by the legislature of New Brunswick in relation to this railway until the charges had been investigated and disposed of. But this was done and the circumstances are before the country. This was not a matter to be treated with the levity with which my hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod) treats it. It is a matter of very serious and grave concern, it is a matter which affects the future financial condition of the province of New Brunswick and my hon. friend from Carleton is doing very great public service in the interests of the province, and aye, indeed, in the interest of the Government and the people of all Canada, in so pointedly bringing to the notice of the House the facts which seem to be hut too evident.
I am not going to prejudge any gentlemen whose names have been mentioned in connection with this matter. I appreciate the fact that it is a very easy matter to make charges. I have the fullest possible sympathy with the gentlemen who stand charged with these matters to-day and I would not prejudge them. But these gentlemen, when they take the attitude which they have taken, when they burke inquiry and will not create a tribunal, when they draw the veil before the vision of the people of the province and of the Dominion in the effort to obscure the facts of the case, I am sure are not in a position to appeal to the sympathy either of this House or the

people of any province in Canada. We will suspend judgment but with a suspension of judgment there should be a suspension of action in the matter of legislation relating to this undertaking.
I am not going to discuss the character of the undertaking. I shall not enter into details as to the road running here or there. It is not even pertinent, in my judgment, to this discussion to refer to the character of the road. The one point that was so well made by my hon. friend from Carle-ton was that wrong-doing had been charged with respect to moneys that have already been paid, pea-haps with respect to moneys that have been paid under the authority of this Parliament. Charges have been made with respect to the appropriation of these moneys as well as the moneys received from the province of New Brunswick. Until these charges are determined, until the facts are exposed, until the men are exonerated or found to be guilty, this Parliament should withhold action. I hold that the 'Legislature of New Brunswick and, aye, indeed, the Governor of the province of New Brunswick, should have had their hands stayed before any further movement was made in respect to the matter.
My hon. friend from 'Carleton has referred to the aid that has been given by the province of New Brunswick in connection with other railways ini that province. It is a very important matter to the province. It is a matter of i3upreme importance in my judgment, and it affects not merely parties. We have the hon. member for York, N.B., (Mr. McLeod) talking about Liberals and about Conservatives in face of the facts as they have been disclosed.
This subject rises superior to the fate of parties; it is the fate of a province that is hanging in the balance, and not the fate of a Government. My hon. friend from Carleton is entitled, not merely to the thanks of this House, but to the thanks of the people of all Canada for the action he has taken this afternoon; and these thanks he will receive. The Minister of Trade and Commerce, in answer to a question put by me the other day, practically said that there had been a proposition placed before the Government of Canada, asking for three million dollars to aid in the construction of these bridges which have been so lightly referred to by the hon. member for York (Mr. McLeod), and he said that proposition was under the consideration of

the Government. The hon. member for Carleton seized this opportunity, as was his duty, to bring to the notice of the Minister of Railways and his colleagues the facts concerning the whole miserable transaction, with the idea of impelling this Government to pause in any action that it might intend to take. I am sure the Minister of Finance is grateful for having the facts brought to his notice. The Minister of Finance, in that splendid Budget speech he made the other day, was called upon to explain and apologize for a great many misfortunes, and I am sure he feels grateful to the hon. member for Carleton for having brought to his notice facts which may induce him to be careful in his steps, so that next year he will not be called upon to apologize, and to excuse, and to explain with reference to this three million dollar transaction, in connection with the River Valley railway bridges.
My hon. friend from York (Mr. McLeod) indulged in some very extravagant language with respect to the character of the National Transcontinental railway through the province of New Brunswick, and he said it would be a monument of the crime that had been committed against that province. The province of New Brunswick during the last two or three decades has been declining in population in proportion with the .increase in the other provinces. At every decennial census we have been brought face to face with the loss of representation in this House of Commons, and the construction of the National Transcontinental railway through this unsettled portion of the province, traversing a country rich in natural resources will, if is hoped, contribute very materially to adding to the population of our province. That railway was built in the interests of Canada; it was built, in my judgment, in the proper location and along the proper route, and I think history will demonstrate that the wisest course was pursued by the Government, and that the province of New Brunswick will have reason to feel grateful.
But, that is apart altogether from the question raised by my hon. friend from Carleton, which seems to have been misapprehended entirely by the hon. member for York. I have never heard in the Legislature of New Brunswick any similar utterance to that to which we were treated this afternoon by the hon. member (Mr. McLeod). I do not know whether that style of oratory prevails to-day in the New Brunswick Legislature, .but I do know, that if

it were indulged in in my days there, t)he man who indulged in it would he laughed to .his seat, and I wonder why that did not occur in this House this afternoon. Perhaps the novelty of the situation made us generous and indulgent to the hon. member for York. The hon.' member (Mr. McLeod) closed his remarks by saying: the Lord delivered them into our hands, in September 1911, and apparently .he said it with the utmost satisfaction-was it in connection with any memories he had? Be that as it may, what happened on the 21st of September, 1911, apparently has resulted in delivering into the hands of certain looters, the St. John River Valley railway, which has been looted from that day to this, and in the judgment of every respectable man in the .province of New Brunswick, it stands looted.
This Mr. Gould of New York, whoever he may be, has apparently cast avaricious eyes on the water-power rights in the town of Woodstock, and certainly, if he is desirous of securing any rights to the detriment of the hon. member for Carleton or in competition with any other company, he can congratulate himself that he has, on behalf of the Yankee power company of Aroostook which he represents, a very excellent * tooter perhaps ' touter ' is the better word -in the person of my hon. friend from York, because my hon. friend from York was .apparently inspired with great glee at the prospect of a Yankee coming over from Aroostook, and seizing for himself and his Yankee associates, power rights in the town of Woodstock. In his closing remarks my hon. friend from York indulged in the usual higher patriotism and he waved the old flag. But, he was delighted at the prospect of Mr. Gould getting these rights in Woodstock, and yet he was one of the clan that indulged in the cry: 'no truck or trade with the Yankees,' a few years ago.
I must apologize, Mr. Speaker, foT devoting even so much time to the speech of the hon. member for York, but I did want to say a word on the subject introduced by the hon. member for Carleton.
Mr. A. DeWITT FOSTER (Kings, N.S.): I do not rise for any extended argument on the subject matter brought before the House by the hon. member for Carleton, but I wish to point out that in the course of the remarks made by the hon. member for York, he was interrupted by the hon. member for Carleton, who said that in 1905 he made a speech in this House in which he advocated that the Transcontinental railway should
come down the river St. John valley. I have here 'Hansard' of 1905, and I would like to send it over to my hon. friend from Carleton, and ask him to .point out where he is reported as ever having uttered such language.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: It may have been in
1906.	That is about the size of the calibre of my hon. friend; I am not surprised that he brought up that question.


Mr. FOSTER:: I have also 'Hansard' of 1906 under my hand; and I would like my hon. friend to take ' Hansard ' of 1906, or
1907,	or 1908, or 1909, or 1910, or any ' Hansard ' from the year 1905 to the present time, and point out where he ever made such a speech in this House. Nevertheless he asks hon. gentlemen on this side of the House to accept his word. He can take his own time to point out the place, until the end of this session if he likes.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Do not worry.


George Eulas Foster: He says that is about my calibre. Well, if my calibre is getting at the truth, that is calibre enough for me in this House or elsewhere. My hon. friend from Westmorland (Mr. Emmerson), in his few remarks following the hon. member for York, N.B. (Mr. McLeod), deplored the style of language used by that hon. member. I say that there can be no possible comparison' between the style of language used by the hon. member for York, N.B., and that used by the hon. member for Carleton, N.B. The hon. member for West-rflorland himself was not free from using certain words which would hardly be the most classical language that one would expect from a gentleman so well informed and so learned as my hon, friend. He seemed to think it was a tremendous thing that any one should regard the Premier of New Brunswick with any degree of sympathy. If there is one member in this House that ought to feel tender on a subject of that sort, it is the hon. member for Westmorland. When a man is ill and has been confined to his room for days and weeks, and charges are made behind his back


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: He was present when
they were made.


George Eulas Foster: He is not present here
to-day.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: He was in the legislature of New Brunswick when these charges were made.


George Eulas Foster: Well, assuming that he
was, my information was that he was ill in bed.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: He was in the legislature when these charges were made. I saw him there.


George Eulas Foster: The hon. member from
Carleton has spoken half a dozen times.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was merely giving the truth of the matter.


George Eulas Foster: I gave my hon. friend the opportunity to give us the truth, and he has not done so yet. I only gave the information as it was given to me; and, in my judgment, it is nearer the truth than what my hon. friend calls facts which he has laid before the House, facts which he * has adjudicated upon, which he has pronounced upon but which will come before a tribunal to be established in the province of New Brunswick.


Henry Robert Emmerson: When?


George Eulas Foster: When will that tribunal be appointed ? At the good pleasure of the Lieutenant Governor of the province.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Advised by Mr. Flemming ?


George Eulas Foster: Do you know that he was advised by Mr. Flemming to withhold the appointment of that commission ? You make these insinuations in this House, and yet you deplore-


Henry Robert Emmerson: Will you pardon me ?


Thomas Simpson Sproule: Order. The hon. gentleman should address his remarks to the Chair.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I was referring to the fact that the Government would, when advised constitutionally by the Prime Minister of New Brunswick, who is Mr. Flemming, make the appointment.


Mr. ROBIDOUX:: The hon. member
knows that the acting Premier to-day is the Hon. Mr. Clarke.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I know that Mr. Flemming is still Premier of New Brunswick and that he has not resigned.


George Eulas Foster: My hon. friend from Westmorland knows that Mr. Flemming is still Premier of New Brunswick and he knows also that the acting Premier is Hon. Mr. Clarke. I presume that duty would fall on the acting Premier in the absence of

Mr. Flemming, who has gone 10 p.m. to New York to consult a specialist with regard to his health. Nevertheless, these insinuations are made. Mr. Flemming is not here to reply to them, but they are made by the hon. member for Westmorland, who is so solicitous about insinuations and about language used.


Henry Robert Emmerson: I must correct my hon. friend. I made no insinuations whatever against Mr. Flemming. I made no unkind reference to him. On the contrary, I expressed sympathy for him.


George Eulas Foster: I am sure my hon. friend has no desire to be unfair, but I understood him to say that the delay in appointing this Royal Commission was due to the fact that the Lieutenant Governor was so advised by Mr. Flemming-


Henry Robert Emmerson: Constitutionally.


George Eulas Foster: *-who had left the country. We have the fact that Mr. Clarke is acting Premier of the province of New Brunswick, and that duty would fall upon him.
I will close my remarks, as I see no indication on the part of the hon. member for Carleton, N.B., to attempt to substantiate the truth of his statement that he made a speech in 1905 in which he advocated that the Transcontinental railway should come down the St. John river valley.


Mr. O. TURGEON (Gloucester):: As a member from northern New Brunswick, who is interested in the St. John Valley railway, I wish to say a few words in commendation of the attitude of my hon. friend from Carleton this afternoon in	bringing to the	attention	of
the	House and more especially of
the Government and of the hon. Minister of Railways and Canals, a situation as it exists to-day in the province of New Brunswick. It is to be regretted that some political capital has been made by certain politicians; but unfortunately we are confronted with a circumstance that some members of the Government of New Brunswick are to-day lying under a charge made by a member of the legislature of that province who has put his seat in jeopardy in making charges in regard to the administration of certain public monies by these gentlemen. It happens that this undertaking of the St. John Valley railway is connected with the Parliament of Can-

ada, and to-day there is a large sum of money voted by this House towards the construction of that railway, and under the circumstances this Government may ask this Parliament to vote again $2,000,000 or $3,000,000 to be given into the hands of the same contractors who are at present under suspicion, whether rightly or wrongly, I do not know. Until a commission has been appointed and has had time to investigate and to make a report, everything should stand still. It is to be regretted, as affecting the fair name of the province of New Brunswick, that when these charges were made, so heavily lying upon the head of the Premier of the province and upon that of his colleague in the Government, the province did not take the course recommended not only by the Liberal press of the province but by papers that had supported the Administration until that very date, papers perhaps more independent in mind than attached to their party. I can quote the St. John Globe, which is a supporter of the Flemming Administration as it was a supporter of the Hazen Administration, and which has taken that stand. The Legislature should have taken the course recommended by the St. John Globe of immediately appointing a Royal Commission, adjourning the House for two or three weeks and proceeding at once with the investigation. If that course had been taken, we would not be in the position of calling the attention of the Minister of Railways and of the federal Government to the regrettable situation at	present existing in
the province	from which I come.
Therefore, I rise merely to commend the position taken by my hon. friend from Car-leton. I think it should appeal to the good sense of every one on the other side and especially to the Minister of Railways and Canals. I hope yet that that hon. gentleman, notwithstanding any exaggeration of language in which the hon. member for York may have indulged, will take the suggestion of my hon. friend from Carleton seriously, as every citizen in New Brunswick does to-day. The hon. Minister of Marine and Fisheries, in a very eloquent speech, dealt with everything except the very point which interests the country. He made reference to a statement of my hon. friend about the railway assisted by the province to run from Bathurst Mines to the town of Bathurst. While I do not agree altogether with the statement of my hon. friend from Carleton on this point, his
statement merely reflects public opinion in the province of New Brunswick since the Canada Iron Company had to suspend not only their operations in their iron mines but all their operations in the country. If I say a word, it is more to dispel the misapprehension in the minds of our people as to the Bathurst railway. I was only awaiting the Estimates of the Minister of Public Works to call the attention of the House to the importance of the Bathurst road. While the Canada Iron Company has suspended operations, while it is in the hands of a receiver, the road from Bathurst in the promotion of which the Minister of Marine and Fisheries has co-operated and to which I also have given assistance in the matter of securing subsidies from the Dominion Government, is bound to be operated, and the mine, being inexhaustible, is also bound to be operated. And it is needed to-day not so much in the interest of the company but of the province as a whole. Its operation will help the transportation development of Bathurst. When the Estimates of the Minister of Public works are before the committee I may say more on this subject. At present my suggestion is that the Government should take over that road as a branch of the Intercolonial railway and complete it from the junction to the harbour of Bathurst. And not only will there be the products of the mines to be carried, but also the products of the pulp and paper .mills now under construction at Bathurst, at the head of the harbour. Their electric power comes from the same source as that for Bathurst .Mine -Grand Falls.
I hope the Minister of Railways and Canals will take seriously the suggestion of the hon. member for Carleton that, until the investigation is over, no further assistance should be given to that company ot to the Government of New Brunswick in respect of that railway. I am not personally acquainted with the Prime Minister of my province, Mr. Flemming. He may be exonerated on these charges, but it is important that the public should know that he is exonerated before anything further is done. The charge has been made in the Legislature of New Brunswick by a gentleman who, personally, has my confidence and respect, and that of every one who knows him in his county and throughout the province. That signifies to me that we should take no action until this matter has been investigated, and those

who are under a cloud to-day have been proven either guilty or not guilty.


John Dowsley Reid: With regard to this question brought up by my hon. friend from Carle-ton (Mr. Carvell), I am always pleased to hear questions brought forward in which the House is interested, especially if information is given to prevent wTong-doing in the future. However, I can hardly see where we are so much interested as the hon. member for Carleton seems to be. As I understand this matter, the provincial Government of New Brunswick issued a charter to the St. John and Quebec Railway Company to construct a line from a place on the Transcontinental to St. John. They carried a certain amount of bonds, and the Dominion Government gave a subsidy; and when the road is completed the Dominion Government is to take it over and to operate it, paying for it a certain proportion of the earnings. Now, where the Dominion of Canada comes in in this matter is in connection with the question whether the subsidy is paid in the proper way-in other words, is the road costing a sufficient amount to justify the payment of this subsidy? As I understand from the hon. member for Carleton, there is no doubt about that. We must pay the subsidy, provided that the road has cost over a certain amount; and, as I understand the hon. member for Carleton, that point has been guarded. Therefore, up to the present time there has not been any laxity nor any amounts paid improperly. As I understand the hon. member for Carleton, he has confidence in the Government engineer, Mr. Taylor. And as to the payment of the balance of the subsidy, if Mr. Taylor carries on his work as he has done in the past, there would not be any difficulty.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: My hon. friend correctly states my position with regard to Mr. Taylor, provided Mr. Taylor is allowed to get the proper information. I strongly suspect that Mr. Taylor is furnished by the company with incorrect information.


John Dowsley Reid: I will come to that. The main point, as I understand it, is to see, before the subsidy is paid, that the road is going to cost a certain amount. There is no doubt whatever, that the road is costing a sufficient amount to justify Mr. Taylor's paying the $6,400 a mile.
The hon. member for Carleton, as I understood him, says that the road has certain

curvatures and grades which he believes are not in accordance with the specifications.	^1


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: No, I said that the
plans and profiles had been changed to meet the character of the road.


John Dowsley Reid: At any rate, according to the hon. gentleman's conception, the road is not being built as he would expect it to be built, in accordance with the original specifications.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Not by any means.


John Dowsley Reid: The Dominion Government
engineers should see that the road is properly built.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Mr. Taylor has reported to the department a hundred times at least and they have turned him down every time. It is useless for him to report to the department.


John Dowsley Reid: That is news to me. I do not know anything about Mr. Taylor or any of the engineers, but I should think that Mr. Taylor is responsible for the line being properly built, in accordance with the specifications.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is all right if he
is not overruled by some higher authority.


John Dowsley Reid: That is true, but I cannot believe that he is interfered with.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Ask Mr. Taylor.


John Dowsley Reid: I will not ask anybody; I
will consult the files or officials of the department, if there is any wrong-doing. I think I am right in saying that the Dominion Government, if they take over that road, must see that it is built in accordance with the special agreement. I am satisfied that, so far as the Dominion Government have a right to interfere, the hon. Minister of Railways will, when he takes over the road, see that it has been completed in accordance with agreement. I do not see where we can do any more than we are doing, as long as we protect ourselves in so far as the payment of subsidies is concerned.
With regard to the question of bridges, the hon. member believes that the engineers of the Dominion Government should see that those bridges are built, and he suggests that they should be built and owned entirely by the Government. So far as I am concerned, I can only say that the Dominion Government have had the matter under consideration. If anything should be done by the Dominion Government, I

am sure that the hon. member will not find fauilt, because I believe that they will protect themselves in a manner satisfactory to him.
The hon. gentleman referred to other matters, one of which was the Southampton railway. I think I mentioned the fact that a commissioner had been appointed to investigate this railway. Shortly after his appointment the commissioner pointed out to me that it would probably be better to defer any investigation -for -a couple of weeks until the snow was off the ground, and 'he would be in a better position to see the road. For this reason, the investigation did not immediately proceed. The commissioner -subsequently notified me that he had fixed >a date f-or the hearing of this investigation; I think it ha-s been arranged to take place within the next ten *or twelve days. The hon. member may be assured, therefore, that the investigation, is to be proceeded with; I have endeavoured to explain why the Short delay dii-d take place.
Mr. G'ARVELL: I accept my hon. friend's statement, but I would like to suggest to him that when the commissioner goes down there he have somebody with him besides Mr. Pinder, because I think it is important that the fullest light shall be thrown upon the subject.


John Dowsley Reid: I told the commissioner that he must give ample notice of his intention to be there. He informed me verbally a few days ago that he was going to hold a public investigation of some kind, I think in Fredericton. I am glad the hon. member, mentioned the point; I Shall see the commissioner and urge him to see that everything is done along the lines suggested.
The hon. member also mentioned the Tobique and Campbellton road, and urged that the subsidy contract be not changed. So far as I am concerned, I have had no application before me for any change. I am glad the hon. member has mentioned the matter; if it comes before me in any way I shall look into it very closely. It is altogether likely that if any application should be made to me in connection with any changes, other than any affecting the present arrangement between the companies, I will ask that the matter be laid over until the return of the minister, when I intend to bring his attention to the discussion that has taken place in connection with the three railways mentioned.


[Stage Direction]
Motion agreed to.

[Stage Direction]
The House in Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Blondin in the Chair.
Resolved, that it is expedient to provide, in substitution for section 7 of the Customs tariff, 1907:
(a)	that goods the produce or manufacture of any foreign country which treats imports from Canada less favourably than those from other countries may be made subject by Order in Council in the case of goods already dutiable to a surtax not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem, and in the case of goods not dutiable to a rate of duty not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem;
(b)	that goods the product or manufacture of any foreign country imported into Canada in vessels registered in such foreign country may, if such foreign country imposes higher duties of customs upon goods imported into such country in vessels registered in Canada than upon the like goods when imported in vessels of such country, he made subject by Order in Council in the case of goods already dutiable to a surtax not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem, and In the case of goods not dutiable to a rate of duty not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem.
["I have listened with much pleasure and interest to the remarks of my hon. friend, and I am sure he will acquit me of any discourtesy if at this late hour I do not reply at any length, ' as he has covered a good deal of ground. I notice that my hon. friend from South Renfrew looks tired and I certainly feel tired. I think we should promote the national interests if we all went home to bed rather than stay here to continue this discussion. The resolution of my hon. friend synchronizes . with the embargo against our potatoes. I take the position that we must negative this resolution as being inconsistent with the fiscal policy which I have announced in the Budget. I hope my hon. friend will not think I am dealing in any way abruptly or cavalierly with his resolution, and will acquit me of any discourtesy if I do not deal with it at any greater length.\nProgress reported.\nOn motion of Mr. White, the House adjourned at 12.35 a.m. Wednesday.\nI]STD JEX"]
Frank Oliver: Why is the surtax reduced from 33J per cent to 20 per cent?


Hon. W. T. WHITE (Minister of Finance):: I may explain to my hon. friend that there is not a reduction in the surtax. Subsection 1 of section 7 of the Customs tariff of 1907, is as follows:
Articles which are the produce or manufacture of any foreign country which treats imports from Canada less favourably than those from other countries may be subject to a surtax over and above the duties specified in schedule 'A', such surtax in every case to he one-third of the duty specified in the General Tariff in the said schedule 'A'.
The amount of one-third i-s fixed and definite. It is not 33 i per cent ad valorem, but one-third of the amount of duty. That is to say, if the rate of duty is 30 per cent the surtax would be 10 per cent, neither more nor less. I wish to call the attention of my hon. friend to -the fact that section 7 does not apply to free goods, because if goods are free one-third of no duty would add nothing. We propose the changes which have been indicated in the resolution, namely:
That goods the product or manufacture of any foreign country which treats imports from Canada less favourably than those from other countries may he made subject by Order in Council in the case of goods already dutiable to a surtax not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem, and in the case of goods not dutiable to a rate of duty not exceeding twenty per centum ad valorem.
That is to say we might increase by 1 per cent, 10 per cent or 20 per cent.
revised edition


Frank Oliver: I quite understand that,
but what is the purpose to be achieved by the change? I presume it was not altered merely for the sake of making a change.


William Thomas White: The section is not flexible, and we are of the view that it should be flexible. I admit that a surtax should be sparingly and reluctantly applied, but we are of the view that it should be in the discretion of the Government to impose the surtax up to 20 per cent ad valorem.


Frank Oliver: I believe there are times when it is right and proper to impose a surtax, and when the time comes it is to be done as a war measure-reluctantly, of course, but still effectively. Is the 20 per cent limit considered as severe a retaliatory measure as the one-third tax would be?


William Thomas White: The twenty per cent is not a fixed amount, it is the maximum.


Frank Oliver: Is that maximum equal, on the average, to the amount that existed before?


William Thomas White: Assuming that our average tariff upon dutiable goods is twenty-six per cent, one-third of that would be eight per cent. On the other hand this does not admit of any surtax upon goods that are free. It is difficult to compare the two. When the matter was under consideration it was suggested that we should fix a maximum higher than twenty per cent. For myself, I should be exceedingly reluctant to enforce a surtax, but I thought that the provision should exist in our legislation and finally settled on twenty per cent as a reasonable maximum with the idea that it would be seldom, if ever, invoked. Of course, the Government might impose five per cent or ten per cent, but no more than twenty per cent. In the case of some other countries, whose legislation I have examined in this regard, the maximum is much higher. For] example in th,e case of Germany it is the amount of the tariff rate on dutiable goods. Free goods may be taxed with a duty not exceeding fifty per cent ad valorem; in Italy goods proceeding from countries in which Italian vessels and products are subject to a differential regime, may be burdened with an increase of frontier duties up to fifty per centum of the duty inscribed in the general tariff. In the case of goods duty-free under the tariff ,the same may be burdened with an import duty up to twenty-five per cent of their official marked values. In Japan with respect to articles the produce or manufacture of a country in which vessels or produce or

manufacture of Japan are subjected to less favourable treatment than those of other countries the articles of such country may be designated by Imperial! Ordinance, which shall be liable to customs duties not exceeding in amount the value of such articles in addition to the duties prescribed in the tariff.
I only instance those as illustrations from which my hon. friend may deduce that we have fixed a reasonable maximum erring, if at all, on the low side.


Frank Oliver: If you have to take retaliatory measures it is desirable that they should be effective. It must always be understood that retaliation does not hurt only the other fellow, it hurts yourself too. I gather that a serious difference between this proposal and the regulations formerly on the statute book is that under the former tory measure did not increase it seriously, and if the goods were free there was no retaliation. Under this legislation my hon. friend has power to establish a duty against imported goods where no duty formerly existed, and under other circumstances to impose a duty against goods coming in under a low tariff, which could not have been levelled against them under the former regulations.
As a matter of fact, while my hon. friend speaks of a mild measure of retaliation, I gather that the effect of the legislation is that it is more drastic, or might be more drastic, against the home consumer than the former Legislation could have been made.


William Thomas White: I think not necessarily so as I shall be able to point out.


Frank Oliver: Not necessarily so, but
still it might be.


William Thomas White: Take the case of a duty
of 30 per cent; under the surtax provision of the present customs tariff the amount of the surtax would be fixed at 10 per cent but you might not desire to enforce a surtax as high as 10 peir cent ad valorem. That is a very serious increase. The Government might be satisfied that the end would be served by increasing the duty one, or two, or five per cent ad valorem. Under the present customs tariff that would not be possible. Under the amendment it would be (possible. I had a case like that in view, not a specific case, but a case of that nature, and my intention was not to increase the surtax but to make the surtax more flexible so that it might

be lower or higher as the case might demand and in fixing it at 20 per cent, having regard to the legislation of other nations, we thought we were fixing it substantially on the low side.


Frank Oliver: I do not wish to delay at all in the matter, but when my hon. friend was reading the laws of other countries, it seemed to me that the attitude of the other countries was more in line with what I have considered the true theory than what my hon. friend proposes. Germany may charge a surtax of fifty per cent of the existing tariff. That is distinctly a war measure. It is intended to hurt, to be effective, and it is only to be continued long enough to produce whatever result is hoped to be produced by it. On the other hand, my hon. friend proposes here a system under the suspicious name of a retaliatory tariff which may simply impose a burden on the Canadian people. I would not like to see this legislation pass without calling attention to the possible effect of it.


William Thomas White: I think that my hon. friend and 1 would agree that any measure of this kind should be invoked only as a matter of the most urgent national necessity. I entirely agree with my hon-. friend that legislation of this kind is retaliatory and that sometimes the invoking of it would do more harm than good. As far as the intention goes, although, of course, the statute speaks for. itself, we should hesitate under any circumstances to invoke legislation of this kind unless an absolute necessity exists for it in the national interest of Canada. In fixing it at 20 per cent it was my desire to fix it at a reasonable amount, not to fix it at a high amount but rather at a low amount. It is true, as my hon. friend has pointed out, that it is possible under this legislation that the surtax would be higher than under the customs tariff of 1907, but at the same time it is also possible that it would be lower and it was my intention to make it sufficiently flexible that it might be loweT if the Government desired at any time to invoke it.


[Stage Direction]
Resolution agreed to.
2. Resolved, that the customs tariff, 1907, he amended by" authorizing the Governor in Council when satisfied that rolled iron or steel angles, beams, channel and other rolled shapes or sections, or iron or steel weighing one hundred and twenty pounds and less per lineal yard, are manufactured in substantial quantities in Canada from steel made in Canada to direct that there be substituted for tariff 1921
item 379 in schedule A to the customs tariff, 1907, the following:
Rolled iron or steel angles, beams, channels, and other rolled shapes or sections, of iron or steel, not punched, drilled or further manufactured than rolled, weighing over one hundred and twenty pounds per lineal yard, n.o.p., not being square, flat, oval or round shapes, and not being railway bars or rails per ton-British preferential, $2 ; intermediate, $3 ; general, $3.
['I think that my hon. friend and 1 would agree that any measure of this kind should be invoked only as a matter of the most urgent national necessity. I entirely agree with my hon-. friend that legislation of this kind is retaliatory and that sometimes the invoking of it would do more harm than good. As far as the intention goes, although, of course, the statute speaks for. itself, we should hesitate under any circumstances to invoke legislation of this kind unless an absolute necessity exists for it in the national interest of Canada. In fixing it at 20 per cent it was my desire to fix it at a reasonable amount, not to fix it at a high amount but rather at a low amount. It is true, as my hon. friend has pointed out, that it is possible under this legislation that the surtax would be higher than under the customs tariff of 1907, but at the same time it is also possible that it would be lower and it was my intention to make it sufficiently flexible that it might be loweT if the Government desired at any time to invoke it.']
Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:: Would the minister tell us what was the quantity in tons and the value of the importations of articles of this kind last year?


William Thomas White: Fortunately I am able io give that information to my hon. friend although I did not expect it would be asked for. The imports during 1912 and 1913 were as follows:
Tear.	Quantity. Value.
1912	 2,957,541 cwt. $3,625,107
1913	 4,013,570 "	5,319,456


Frank Oliver: What are the present duties?


William Thomas White: Under the present tariff
these products, which are called merchant mill products, up to 35 lb. per lineal yard, have a duty of $7 per ton against them. Products that are over 35 lb. per lineal yard have a duty, under the general tariff, of $3 per ton. I am extending the 35 lb. per lineal yard up to 120 lb. per lineal yard. At the time the Customs Tariff of 1907 was enacted merchant mill products up to 35 lb. per lineal yard were produced in Canada but merchant mill products of a heavier character were not produced in Canada. In some mills to-day structural steel beams, channels and other rolled shapes heavier than 36 lb. per lineal yard and up to 50 or 60 lb. per lineal yard are being produced but no change has taken place in the tariff. It was represented to us by the Algoma Steel Company, and by other steel companies, that if legislation should be introduced, to be brought into effect by Order in Council, so that the company would have an assurance that in future it would be brought into effect, they could get the capital requisite to increase their plants and establish merchant mills which would manufacture products up to 120 lb. per lineal yard; that is to say, the larger structural steel required for buildings, bridges and many other manufactures. The Government, therefore, is asking Parliament to enact legislation which is to be brought into effect under Order in Council when the Governor in Council is satisfied that the products in question are being manufactured in substantial quantities in Canada from steel made in Canada. There is a precedent for this under the

late Government-the resolution of the 17th April, 1903, appertaining to steel rails. That resolution imposed a duty of $7 per ton but it was not to became effectual until the Governor in Council was satisfied that steel rails were being manufactured in substantial quantities in Canada. On the 27th August, 1904, an Order in Council was passed making steel rails dutiable at $7 per ton and it has been effective ever since.


Frank Oliver: I did not get the answer I wanted. I wanted to know what was the duty, on the bringing into force of this provision, upon structural and iron steel over 120 lb. per lineal yard.


William Thomas White: I answered that question; $3 per ton on all structural shapes and merchant mill products weighing over 35 lb. per lineal yard. The products that are manufactured in Canada were protected oy a higher rate and we propose to increase the limitation from 35 lb. to 120 lb.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Were not the heavier
products like I-beams only subject to a duty of 10 per cent, not forged, or punched or otherwise manufactured? How will that class of goods be affected?


William Thomas White: I will read the present item in the tariff:
379. Rolled iron or steel beams, channels, angles, and other rolled shapes of iron or steel, not punched, drilled or further manufactured than rolled, weighing not less than 35 pounds per lineal yard, not being square, flat, oval or round shapes, and not being railway bars or rails, per ton-British preferential, $ 2 ; intermediate, $2.75; general, $3.
Any of these articles weighing 35 lb. or more, were $3, while under 35 lb. per lineal yard, the duty was $7 per ton, as a protection to the Canadian manufacturer, because the Canadian manufacturer was able to manufacture products up to 35 lb. per lineal yard. Beyond that the product was not manufactured in Canada, and the duty was less. What we are doing now is to extend that up to 120 lb. If my hon. friend will look at resolution No. 2, tariff item 379, he will see it applies to these products weighing over 120 lb., and we are fixing that at $3 per ton.


Frank Oliver: Which it was before.


William Thomas White: Yes, but it went down to 35 lb. This 120 lb. is substituted for 35 lb.; all below 120 lb. fails into the other item of the tariff, on Which there is a duty of $7 per ton.


Charles Murphy: Up to the; present, there has been no structural steel of this weight produced in the country?


William Thomas White: That is it. Of course, it will he some considerable time 'before it is brought into effect, because the mills capable of producing these heavier products will have to be established.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: Would the minister give any reason why it is necessary to impose this extra burden on the users of these products? The minister knows that it is not a very big piece of steel that does not weigh 120 lb. per lineal yard, and if he puts this into force, he will be putting a great burden upon the articles that are consumed everywhere. As I understand it, the very moment this Order in Council goes through, and this product is brought up to $7 duty, the consumer will have to pay the $7 duty, no matter whether the article is manufactured in Canada or imported. I hope the minister realizes that he is certainly* imposing a pretty heavy burden upon the ordinary consumers of iron and steel products, for the purpose of benefiting a prospective manufacturing industry. I think we might as well understand that clearly. Will the minister tell me now, whether I am right or wrong in that idea?


William Thomas White: I thought we discussed the question of the fiscal policy on the Budget.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: I was not here.


William Thomas White: My hon. friend (Mr. Car-vell) and I would view this from a different standpoint, and without wishing to be controversial I may tell him that some of his colleagues on the other side of the House would also view it from a different standpoint from him. It is a question of whether we believe in protection of Canadian industries. I am perfectly frank in saying that I believe if this duty is allowed to stand as it is we will not have these mills manufacturing the larger products in Canada. I believe, on the other hand, if this Order in Council is passed, we shall have these mills manufacturing the larger products in Canada. It does not always follow that the full amount of duty would be added to the price of the article. Possibly it would if there were only one mill, or perhaps two mills in Canada, and they had an understanding as to price. I could point out to my hon. friend many cases in which the full amount of duty was not added to the cost to the consumer. Once a fiscal policy of protection is adopted

by the Government, it seems to me it follows that within reasonable bounds we are justified in asking for the imposition of duties which have the effect of causing these plants to be erected in Canada, rather than that the Canadian consumer should buy from the outside. Canadian steel plants and other plants are at a decided disadvantage with some of the larger plants, especially in the United States. They have a larger home market there; they have been built up over a large series of years, and it is a fact that they can throw their products into this country at a much lower rate than our manufacturers can compete with them at. Our policy is reasonable protection, and we think we will succeed in establishing mills by increasing this tariff upon that range of products, from 35 pounds up to 120 pounds. With respect to the products weighing between 35 pounds and 120 pounds per lineal yard, we are doing precisely what the late Government did with regard to products up to 35 pounds per lineal yard, and we have the same object in view. I know that is no defence for this legislation, which should be dealt with on its own merits, but it is nevertheless the fact.
Mr. OARVE-LL: The Minister of Finance is perfectly fair about it, and I only want to have a fair understanding. As I understand him, he is perfectly willing to allow the manufacturer to charge the people of Canada a greater price than they could buy these articles for in other parts of the world, in order to establish one of these industries in Canada.


William Thomas White: The charging of the higher price may not necessarily follow, or it might follow. The chances are that it will follow that a higher price will be paid by the Canadian consumer upon these particular products, at least for a time, than they could be bought for, let us say, by reason of the manufacturers in the United States dumping them upon this market.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: That is the fairest presentment of the protectionist policy I have ever heard in this House. I am glad the Minister of Finance comes put flat-footed and acknowledges the com. It is the truth; we all know it is the truth; and I think the Minister of Finance is entitled to a great deal of credit for admitting it.


William Thomas White: I am much obliged to my hon. friend, but I am not going to apologize, because I know that I am going to
have established, as a result of this, a large plant at the Sault, employing Canadian workmen, and I know that the establishment of that plant will be of great-advantage to that whole section of the country. I know also that if this change were not made in the tariff that plant, would not be established, and we expect to have large mills established also at Sydney and at Hamilton.


Henry Robert Emmerson: Who will pay for it?


William Thomas White: The people will be benefited on the one hand, and they may pay something for it on the other, ibut they will not complain.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Two years ago,
when the Minister of Finance was presenting his Tariff Commission Bill, the principle was laid down that the measure of protection -should be the differential between the wages of the home country and those of the competing country. Do I understand that the minister has abandoned that principle to adopt the one just stated by the member for Carleton?


William Thomas White: It was provided in the
Tariff Commission Bill that the cost of production should be ascertained in the several countries of the world, but I do not think any principle was laid down. I do not think either that the remarks of my hon. friend (Mr. A. K. Maclean) have any bearing upon the question raised by the hon. member for Carleton. What I have said is this:	That without the assistance
which we are giving toy way of protection, a Canadian plant could not establish itself and compete with the United States plant selling their products in competition, and selling them cheaper than they sell them in the home market. I think that is a little different from the proposition which my hon. friend has put forward, arising from the Tariff Commission Bill.


Charles Murphy: Has structural steel of
this weight been produced by the Dominion Bridge Company?


William Thomas White: Not produced, but used by the Dominion Bridge Company. The Dominion Bridge Company has used the material very largely. We have not had any representations made; but I expect they will be made, and it may be necessary, although I have not in mind now anything definite respecting it, to make some adjustment of the tariff with regard to bridges, because the bridge manufacturers will un-

doubtedly be affected by this change; that is to say, they might have to pay more for the materials which they use in making the bridges.


Charles Murphy: That was what I had in mind when I asked the question.


William Thomas White: No representations have been made, but it is quite probable that they will be made. If so, we shall have ample time to take them up and consider them.


Mr. McCREA:: If there is any doubt in the minds of any hon. members as to who pays for this encouragement of the steel industry, I will give a little personal experience. The company with which I am connected is engaged in the construction of a paper-mill, and we have asked for prices on a large quantity of steel. Some of the orders were placed before the new tariff came in, and some were not. As regards the latter, the firms simply withdrew their prices and raised them the amount of the duty.


Frank Oliver: Is the surtax in provision (b) new or is it a continuation of what prevailed before, with the same variation as my hon. friend has in subsection 1?


William Thomas White: Subsection (b) is entirely new.


[Stage Direction]
Resolution agreed to.
3. Resolved, that schedule A to the Customs Tariff, 1907, as amended by chapter 15 of the Acts of 1913, and by Orders in Council be further amended by striking thereout tariff items: -113, 184, 208, 210a, 296, 306, 315, 361, 375, 398, 404, 410, 411, 445, 446a, 460, 471, 486, 542, 543, 545, 546, 575, 577, sections (a) and (d) of the Orders in Council dated 11th August, 1908, designated as items 717 and 720 of the Customs tariff, the several enumerations of goods respectively, and the several rates of duties of Customs, if any, set opposite each of said items, and to provide that the following items, enumerations and rates of duties be inserted in said schedule A
['Subsection (b) is entirely new.']
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: I desire to ask a question at this stage. The hon. member for Pictou (Mr. Macdonald), who was obliged to leave the House a short time ago, desires to offer some remarks to the committee at a later stage. The hon. member for Northumberland, N.B. (Mr. Loggie), also desires to offer an amendment a little later on, and I think the hon. member for Westmorland (Mr. Emmerson) wishes to do so also. Might we have this understanding that an amendment might be moved to-morrow? We can take up as

many items of this schedule as we can tonight.


William Thomas White: I would like to facilitate my hon. friend. I am not sure that it is possible in committee to move amendments. We might ask the chairman to consider the matter. With regard to any item under consideration, an amendment may be moved to reduce the tariff.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: It could be arranged that the House go into Committee of Ways and Means to-morrow or on some other day in order that these gentlemen might have an opportunity to move their amendment.


William Thomas White: Subject to its being an order, I am entirely agreeable.


Henry Robert Emmerson: It seems to me the proceeding is to move amendments on the second reading of a Bill, or in committee or on the third reading. This resolution has been approved by His Royal Highness, to whom it was submitted, so that I do not think we can amend it.


William Thomas White: We will see as to that.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: When the Tariff Bill of 1907 was being put through the
11 p.m. House, we amended the resolutions only in so far as we reduced taxation, but we did not increase it. That is where the distinction was drawn.


Mr. GRAHAM:: The procedure is the same as in Committee of Supply. We can move to reduce but we can not move to increase or to divert the money from the object for which it was intended.


William Thomas White: There is probably no difference of view respecting this matter. With regard to any of the resolutions under consideration, my view is that a motion may be brought forward to reduce the duty, but not to increase it; but I have some doubt as to whether a motion may be moved by a member with respect to some article or item that is not before the committee for consideration.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: The third resolution is a resolution that schedule A be amended by doing certain things with it. I think it is quite in order to extend that amendment by affecting some otheT items


William Thomas White: That is probably so. We will see.


Frank Oliver: What are these items that are struck out in a general way?


William Thomas White: A number of items must be struck out because other items take their place.


Frank Oliver: Are these items which
, have been struck out included in these that are dealt with in the schedule?


William Thomas White: They must be struck out in order that others may take effect.


Frank Oliver: ATe any struck out that
not are replaced; and, if so, what are those items?


William Thomas White: Some may be struck out
that are not replaced; but the items that they govern are otherwise dealt with. Every numbeT that is struck out here is necessarily struck out in order that others may be given effect to.


George Perry Graham: Does not my hon. friend think, in view of what he has said in a previous debate in this House, that he is running the risk of criticism in the country as being in favour of free trade?


William Thomas White: I will take chances on that.


George Perry Graham: He has in this schedule 24 items that are on the free list. If putting agricultural implements or wheat on the free list implies that the person doing so is in favour of free trade, what will one say of a person who puts twenty-four items on the free list? Will he not be regarded as being twenty-four times as much in favour of free trade?


William Thomas White: I think I can convince my hon. friend that the conclusion he appears to have reached need not necessarily follow. Of course, I do not think it necessary that I should discuss with him the question already so fully discussed, whether free agricultural implements and free food mean free trade. But he was so impressed with the idea that free food might savour of free trade that he shifted his ground so materially from it that he would not likely find his tariff policy would reduce the cost of living.


[Stage Direction]
Resolution agreed to.
39c. Cassava flour, when imported hy manufacturers of explosives, for use exclusively in the manufacture of such articles in their own factories-British preferential, free ; intermediate, free; general, free.
['I think I can convince my hon. friend that the conclusion he appears to have reached need not necessarily follow. Of course, I do not think it necessary that I should discuss with him the question already so fully discussed, whether free agricultural implements and free food mean free trade. But he was so impressed with the idea that free food might savour of free trade that he shifted his ground so materially from it that he would not likely find his tariff policy would reduce the cost of living.']
Frank Oliver: What is the duty on that now?


William Thomas White: The explanation of that
change is that cassava flour is used for the manufacture of explosives by the Dominion Explosives, Limited, of Sand Point, Ont.
Others use glycerine which is free under item 664. Manufacturers who use cassava flour as a base complain that they are at a disadvantage in competition with those who use glycerine, and have asked that cassava flour be placed on the free list.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: Where is it made?


William Thomas White: In the West Indies., I
think.


Frank Oliver: Does it still remain dutiable at one cent per lb. for other purposes than the manufacture of explosives?


William Thomas White: Yes, the free importation is limited to the use of the manufacturers of explosives in their own factories-


Mr. PARDEE:: Did the millers combine consent to this change?


William Thomas White: The hon. gentleman may have inside information on that point; I have not.


[Stage Direction]
Item agreed to.
79a. Rooted carnation cuttings in their first year of introduction-British preferential, free; intermediate, free; general, free.
['The hon. gentleman may have inside information on that point; I have not.']
Alexander Kenneth Maclean: What is this for?


William Thomas White: This change is made for administration purposes. Seedling carnations are admitted free of duty under item 79. Commercially, these carnation cuttings in their first year are known as seedling carnations, and it is to clear up a doubt in the minds of the Customs Department and to make it clear that these carnation cuttings in their first year are seedling carnation stock, that this item is put in.


Alexander Kenneth Maclean: And there is no change?


William Thomas White: No.


George Perry Graham: Can the hon. minister tell us what is the duty in the United States on this item? The reason I ask is that there are florists who do business on both sides of tlie line-say they might have a place at Alexandria bay-and I just wondered whether they were accorded the same treatment on the other side of the line.


William Thomas White: I am not advised as to
that.


[Stage Direction]
Item agreed to.
99a. Dried or evaporated bananas per pound -British preferential, free; Intermediate, Jc.; general, ie.
['I am not advised as to\nthat.']
Frank Oliver: What was the former duty?


William Thomas White: It was formerly 25 per cent under the general tariff; British preferential 17| per cent.


Frank Oliver: Is this a reduction?


William Thomas White: Yes.


Mr. LOGGIE:: The item I want to call
particular attention to is 83 of the tariff, and I suppose ordinarily it would come in here.


William Thomas White: I have no objection to my hon, friend dealing with that now.


William Stewart Loggie: Mr. Chairman, I have a matter to bring before the committee which I think is very important to the whole population of Canada. It primarily refers to the basic industry of Canada, agriculture, and I should he glad if the minister would consider that I present this resolution not from a party standpoint. I desire the minister to consider it on its mexits, and waive, for tihe time being, consideration of the fact that I am on this side of the House, while he occupies a seat on the right of the Speaker. I admit that in my arguments there may be some remarks that will be considered of a partisan character, but the resolution itself I think ought to he received by every hon. member not from a party standpoint. The resolution I intend to move involves the admission into Canada free of duty of potatoes, the growth and production of the United States. In this connection I would refer to the remark of the minister in his Budget speech. Speaking of the increased exportation from Canada during the last few months of last year, he said:
I think the increase is due, in large measure, to the Underwood tariff, which has placed live stock, dairy and certain other farm products, fish and manufactures of lumber, and other natural and manufactured products of Canada upon the free list.
I assume that the minister, in using these words, led members of the House to beueve that it was his opinion that the increased sale of these commodities in the United States markets inured to the benefit of the Canadian producer. If there were no increased prices for these commodities during these months after the Underwood tariff went into effect, I ask, why should there be an increase of exportation? If the value was not enhanced by the duty remitted by the United States on the commodity we have to sell, why did the increased exportation take place at that particular time?

If it can be demonstrated that the United States consumer received the benefit of the reduction of the duty upon articles going into the United States, why would the exports be increased at that particular time? I propose to demonstrate to the committee that the enhanced value inured to the Canadian producer; just as soon as the United States tariff was taken off, because of the increased value, his exports found market across the line.


Mr. BRADBURY:: Where did the increase come from?


William Stewart Loggie: 
Mr. BURNHAM:: How would it be if
the profit were made on this side of the line?


William Stewart Loggie: The same thing would be true on this side of the line. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule; I will come to that later. I am now endeavouring to establish the principle that the country that imposes the duty taxes its consumers just to that extent.


John Hampden Burnham: Is the American consumer affected in that way?


William Stewart Loggie: I have endeavoured to
show the committee that in the illustration which I have given the consumer is affected by having to pay not only the

50 per cent duty but the retailer's profit on that duty as well. The first cost of the article was only $500; the consumer has to pay $1,300 for it. There are exceptions to every rule, and there are exceptions in the case of small countries lying adjacent to countries with large populations. With eight million people, a border line of some three thousand miles, and situated adjacent to a country of one hundred million people, if we in Canada have a commodity that has no world market value and which finds a market in the larger country, in every case the Canadian producer has to pay the cost of duty. For this reason many of the commodities that have no world market value are necessarily more or less of a perishable nature, and they are marketed through produce commission merchants. In other words, we must sell our commodity at the market price of the larger country. If we in Canada can sell our potatoes in Boston, no matter what the market price in Montreal or elsewhere in Canada may be, we must sell them at the price which the potatoes bring in Boston, less whatever the extra charge may be. If a duty is imposed, the result is that the price as that much less to the Canadian producer. That is absolutely! true of all the fish that we export from) Canada. Here let me point out what a boon it is for the people of Canada to have a free market for their fish in the United States. In Canada we have a small population and we produce a surplus of certain commodities that have no world market value; we must put those commodities on the nearest available market ot not market them at all. Let me illustrate this in another way. From the north shore of New Brunswick we produce each year about 200 carloads of smelts. Canada consumes probably 10 per cent of that 200 carloads; the other 180 carloads find a market in the United States. That fish could not be sold on any other market at any price; therefore we are compelled, as a matter of course, to send them to the United States market and accept market conditions that exist when our fish arrive there. If the weather is stormy and the fishing smacks from New York and Boston cannot go out to the fishing grounds, of course the market is. bare of fish and our product may rise in price. The weather also affects the price considerably, and I need not say that supply and demand has much to do with it. The point I wish to make is that the price on
the New York market will be the same, duty or no duty, and if there be no duty the net results will be that much better to the producer in Canada. When the duty was taken off live stock its value increased. The same also applies to fish and potatoes, as I will demonstrate a little later on. The removal of the duty against fish going into the United States has been a great boon to the fishermen. I do not know whether the minister was present when I mentioned that 382 tons of smelts were shipped from my own county in the month of February alone. Formerly, there was a duty of $15 a ton, so that its removal meant a saving to the fishermen in one month alone of upwards of $4,000.


George Henry Bradbury: Did the fishermen get better prices ?


William Stewart Loggie: 
Mr. DAVIDSON:: Did the fishermen get that ?


William Stewart Loggie: Yes.


Avard Longley Davidson: Did the producer get the benefit of the removal of the duty ?


William Stewart Loggie: Without a doubt.


Avard Longley Davidson: How much higher prices did the hon. gentlemen pay fishermen for smelts last year ?


William Stewart Loggie: 
Mr. EDWARDS:: How do you account
for the falling off in December?


William Stewart Loggie: I fancy every hon. gentleman knows that the United States put an embargo on our potatoes in December.


Mr. BLAIN:: What is the matter with
your potatoes down there?


William Stewart Loggie: If I was being questioned under oath I think I could very truthfully say I do not know.


John Hampden Burnham: How do you propose to abolish the American duty?


William Stewart Loggie: If this resolution passes, ipso facto the duty is abolished.


William Cameron Edwards: Would the embargo ipso facto go off?


William Stewart Loggie: No the embargo is not ipso facto.


Mr. H. CLARK:: If reciprocity had gone into effect would that embargo have been put on potatoes?


William Stewart Loggie: That is not a fair question. I am not administering the affairs of the United States, so I do not know. If there is a reason for the embargo being put on, I suppose it would be put on; and I assume that they had good cause. We would do the same thing in Canada.


John Hampden Burnham: If the hon. gentleman
considers that potatoes are properly embargoed, what is the use of discussing this?


William Stewart Loggie: I am surprised at my hon. friend asking me such a question as that. He knews very well that next week or next month the embargo may be removed, and that next season we shall have to pay the duty. We could avoid that by passing this resolution to-night-now is the accepted time.


Mr. J. J. HUGHES:: I might mention that an official of this Government admitted at the conference in Washington in December last that Canadian potatoes were diseased. It was an unfortunate admission -there was no need of it-which had much to do with the embargo being put on.


William Stewart Loggie: These potatoes netted the producer forty-two and one-half cents per bushel f.o.b. Canada. In nineteen years out of twenty, potatoes are much dearer on the United States market than on the Canadian market.


William Cameron Edwards: What was the price on the other side?


William Stewart Loggie: I have not the prices here, but I can promise you that they were sold on the basis of forty-two and one-half cents

a bushel, plus duty and freight. Of course, I do not know whether they were sold through commission merchants and whether those charges were deducted from the account sales or not.


William Cameron Edwards: Has the hon. gentleman
the importations of potatoes into Canada?


William Stewart Loggie: Yes, I will give the figures in a few minutes. The potato-raisers, or growers, are men and they do not fear competition from any country in the world. We have the men of brawn and brain, we have the climate, we have the soil and we can compete with the world on potatoes. By these tables the committee will see that in three months we exported to the United States 650,000 bushels of potatoes, of a value of $270,000.


William Cameron Edwards: How much did we import?


William Stewart Loggie: I will give the hon. gentleman that in a few moments. We exported $270,000 worth of potatoes and the Canadian producers paid into the United States treasury in the form of duty, $27,008. Let me give the hon. gentleman the information he asks for. This also is a statement prepared 'by our customs authorities, and it is a table of the imports of potatoes from October, 1912, to November, 1913, both inclusive. The figures are as follows:
Province.	Quantity.	Value.	Duty.Bushels.	$	$ cts.Ontario	245,573	205,974	49,114 60Quebec	62,193	53,143	12,438 60Nova Scotia. . .	1,500	1,484	300 00New Brunswick	152	180	30 40Manitoba	34,027	29,357	6,800 54Saskatchewan. .	4,024	3,563	800 80Alberta 	11,640	8,994	2,338 00British Columbia. 32,368	30,530	6,447 36Yukon 	24,533	23,477	4,906 66
We thus find that during a term of fourteen months there were imported into Canada 416,010 bushels valued at $356,702, and on which a duty of no less than $83,167.04 was paid.


William Cameron Edwards: Who paid that duty?


William Stewart Loggie: The Canadian consumer.


William Cameron Edwards: And the Canadian consumer paid it when it was exported?


William Stewart Loggie: No, the Canadian producer pays it then.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Oh, oh.


William Stewart Loggie: Hon. gentlemen seem to enjoy that, but I challenge contradiction

of the statement I have made. I have 'had practical experience and they have not.


Mr. SEXSMITH:: What is the duty on potatoes going into the United States now?


William Stewart Loggie: Ten per cent.


William Cameron Edwards: If the Canadian consumer paid that duty, as the hon. gentleman alleges, was it not in the interest of the Canadian producer of potatoes?


William Stewart Loggie: No, it was not. These potatoes were practically all imported into-Canada during the season when our own potatoes are not palatable, (before out new potatoes are ready for market. Most of the potatoes that I have referred to are imported into Canada during that interval. Therefore, by no means is the Canadian farmer hurt by the importation of these potatoes. I want to demonstrate if I can to hon. gentlemen how much the Canadian consumer has paid for these potatoes and then we will have some idea Why it is we complain of the high cost of living in Canada. But by this table we find out that the cost of these potatoes f.o.'b., shipping point, was 85J cents per bushel. We must add to that the duty under tariff item No. 83, which is as follows:
Potatoes, n.o.p per bushel-British preferential, 12J cents; intermediate, 17J cents; general, 20 cents.
The price, plus the duty, makes the cost $1.05$ per bushel. Then, there is the freight which I can only estimate and I fancy it is perhaps not too much to say that it will amount to 20 cents a bashel, which brings the amount un to $1.25$. I put down the retailers profit at fifty cents per bushel.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: Oh, oh.


William Stewart Loggie: I challenge hon. gentlemen, if they are anxious to make money, to go into that kind of business, retail these potatoes all around the country and make a success of it at a less profit than fifty cents a bushel. With a retailers profit of fifty cents we have as the cost $1.75$ per bushel. This cost applies to the 416,000 bushels of potatoes imported into Canada during the off-season when our own potatoes are not very good, and before our new ones are ready for the market. What does that mean? It means that the Canadian consumer has paid no less than $5.25 peT barrel for these potatoes. That, surely, is some evidence of the higfii cost of living in Canada.


Richard Blain: Does -my hon. friend suggest that the retailer makes a profit of fifty cents a -bushel on potatoes?


William Stewart Loggie: I should think that if a retailer paid $1.25 for a bushel o-f potatoes, to-ok them into his store, sold them out by the pe-ck or the half-peck, delivered them with a team an-d kept up a staff, there could not be -a -less profit than fifty cents a bushe-l on the average.


Mr. STEVENS:: That is based upon the lobster business.


Mr. BOIVIN:: Remember that these are new potatoes.


William Stewart Loggie: What has this to do with the lo-bster -business. My hon. friend (Mr. Stevens) should make a more pertinent re-mark than that, unless he wants to insinuate that every man who retails potatoes is a lobster. We sold i-n three months from New Brunswick, $270,000 worth of potatoes, to which you must add, to get the cost and duty value, the duty -amounting to $27,088, which gives $297,088 as the cost, duty added in the United States.


John Albert Sexsmith: Would it not be much better for you to sell these -potatoes in Ontario, if you could only get 42$ cents a bushel for them?


William Stewart Loggie: I am surprised at the hon. gentleman asking such a question. I venture to say that there is not a household in Ontario, that has not had its regular supply of -potatoes during the pa-st few months. Does the hon. gentleman mean to say that even if Ontario does not want our potatoes we should send them up there and say: ' you must take our potatoes, we have no other market for them.' That contention i-s absurd.


John Albert Sexsmith: There would be an
abundant market all the year around in Toronto.


William Stewart Loggie: It is absolutely unfair for the hon. gentleman to make that allegation. I have demonstrated that we sent out of Canada 650,000 -bushels o-f potatoes, and I know now where there are thousands upon thousands of bushels of potatoes awaiting a market, and because of the potato embargo by the United States -at the present moment, there will be considerable loss to the farmers of Canada.


Avard Longley Davidson: It is the embargo you want removed?


William Stewart Loggie: I will help you to get the embargo removed if you help me now. Had

there been no duty on potatoes entering the United States, the farmers of New Brunswick would be richer on three months' shipments of potatoes by the sum of $27,088.


William Cameron Edwards: Did I understand the hon. gentleman to say that the price is 85 cents, and then he added 20 cents a bushel on to that?


William Stewart Loggie: Yes.


William Cameron Edwards: That is coming into Canada?


William Stewart Loggie: Yes.


William Cameron Edwards: I noticed the hon.
gentleman said, speaking of exportations, that the price is 421 cents.


William Stewart Loggie: Yes.


William Cameron Edwards: How do you account for it that there is only a difference of 20 cents, when the price is 42J cents on one side and 80 cents on the other?


William Stewart Loggie: I am surprised that the hon. gentleman should ask such a question. I have explained that we purchased these potatoes in the United States at a period before our new potatoes are ready for the market.


William Cameron Edwards: What time of the year is that?


William Stewart Loggie: The large importations into Canada are in June, July and August. This 851 cents is what the Customs of Canada tell us was the cost price of these potatoes at shipping points. The other charges we know. I have estimated the ' freight, I know what the duty is, I have estimated what the profit was, and I say now that these potatoes cost the consumers of Canada practically $5 per barrel, for every barrel of them. And yet you tell me you want a duty to protect the farmers. Who gets the benefit? Does the farmer get any benefit from that duty paid into the Canadian Customs?


John Albert Sexsmith: Have you no potatoes in New Brunswick to sell in June and July?


William Stewart Loggie: We have some old ones, and not many of them.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: We have no new potatoes until September.


William Stewart Loggie: I have worked out what this $5 per barrel means to the people of Canada. By the table I received from the Customs, I find that for the 14 months the

cost of the potatoes imported into Canada was $356,702, and the duty paid $83,167.04, the cost and duty being $439,869.04. Add to that the cost of selling and the profit at fifty per cent.


An hon. MEMBER:: That is a pretty good profit.


William Stewart Loggie: I am doubtful if any vegetable man does his business at a profit of less than fifty per cent. At any rate that is the estimate I have made, and while it may not be correct, you can take * it for what it is worth. Therefore, the cost value of the potatoes imported into Canada during the 15 months would be $356,702, the duty $83,167.04; total, $439,869.04, and fifty per cent profit, $219,434.52, or a total cost to the consumers of the potatoes imported amounting to $659,803.56, under our present law. If there was no duty, then the invoice cost would be $356,702, fifty per cent profit, $178,351, total $503,053, and the difference between these two amounts would be $124,750.56, which would have been saved to the consumers of Canada if these potatoes had come into Canada free of duty.


Mr. SUTHERLAND:: Have you the quantity imported during each month of the time referred to?


William Stewart Loggie: Yes. Ontario is a large importer of potatoes. From the United States, in October, 1912, there were imported 441 bushels; November, 981 bushels; December, 2,845 bushels; January, 1913, 359 bushels; February, 755; March, 1,781 bushels; April, 4,308 bushels; May, 3,792 bushels; June, 42,105 bushels; July, 126,299 bushels; August, 53,998 bushels; September-this is about the time our potatoes are ready for the marbeU-6,705 bushels; October, 366 bushels; November, 1913, 538 bushels. Total, 245,573 bushels. These potatoes are practically all imported during the months of June, July and August.


John Albert Sexsmith: What year ?


William Stewart Loggie: 1912 to 1913.


John Albert Sexsmith: During the year 1913-14 the importations would be much less.


William Stewart Loggie: This is up to November,
1913.	The same thing applies to the whole of Canada. For the province of Quebec, in October, 1912, there were only 5 bushels imported; in November, 8 bushels; in December, 10 bushels. Importations were practically all in June, July and August. In Nova Scotia, the same thing applies;

in July and August, we import some potatoes from the United States for the reason that our own old potatoes are hardly fit for use and the new ones are not ready. In Manitoba, nearly all the importations are in the months of June, July and August. The same thing applies to British Columbia.


Donald Sutherland: Were all these
potatoes imported from the United States ?


William Stewart Loggie: Every bushel. The statement comes from the authorities over in the west block.
I want to say to the minister that this imposition of 20 cents a bushel by the Canadian Government is of no benefit to the farming community of Canada. We import these potatoes at a cost of 85J cents a bushel f.o.b.


William Cameron Edwards: For how long has it not been a benefit to the farmers ?


William Stewart Loggie: For as long as the duty has been imposed.


William Cameron Edwards: This is the first time you have come to that conclusion, although you have supported a Government for fifteen years.


Frank Broadstreet Carvell: They always go to that argument when you have them cornered.


William Stewart Loggie: I think I can handle that all right. If by taking the duty off potatoes coming into Canada, we were going to hurt the Canadian farmer to any appreciable extent, then my argument would not carry the weight that it does; but from my knowledge of how this trade arose and of the importing of potatoes going on in all parts of Canada, I believe that the Canadian farmer will not be hurt by the importation of potatoes into Canada. I repeat what I have already said, that 19 years out of 20, potatoes are much dearer in the United States than in Canada; and if dearer in a market, how can they be brought in and sold to compete with the prices that we get for our potatoes?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Does the hon. member refer to the whole American market or just to the Boston market with which he is familiar ?


William Stewart Loggie: I think there is no difference in the markets of the United States, except on account of transportation.


Henry Herbert Stevens: There is a vast difference.


William Stewart Loggie: I admit that transportation is a very important factor in the matter, and I am perhaps dealing more partitieularly with markets that are nearer us. Except as regards the question of transportation, there is no difference whatever.


An hon. MEMBER:: What is the price in
Oregon ?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Very much higher than in British Columbia.


William Stewart Loggie: What is the yield in
British Columbia?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Millions of tons, 700
bushels to the acre.


James Joseph Hughes: Where?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Ashcroft, Kamloops. The finest potatoes in the world.


William Stewart Loggie: What price does the farmer in British Columbia get for his potatoes on the field at the digging season; that is to say, if the digging season is in the month of October?


Henry Herbert Stevens: I could not say off-hand They are sold by the ton.


Mr. BURRELL:: The price varies from
$12 to $20 a ton, or 60 cents a bushel.


William Stewart Loggie: Let me tell the hon. gentleman what price the United States got for the potatoes they imported into British Columbia. The potatoes imported in October, 1912, to November, 1913, according to the table, cost practically $1 a bushel f.o.b. United States points.


Henry Herbert Stevens: The hon. gentleman refers to new potatoes from California and Oregon.


William Stewart Loggie: Supposing I do, how does that affect the case?


Henry Herbert Stevens: There is a vast difference.


William Stewart Loggie: These are potatoes you import every month in the year, and that is the average price.
Mr. STEVEN'S:	Will you give me the
quantities imported every month?


William Stewart Loggie: In. 1912, in October, 662
bushels; in November, 970 bushels; in December, 547 bushels; in 1913, in January, 280 bushels; in February, 50 bushels; in March, 1,611 bushels; in April, 482 bushels; in May, 1,995 bushels, in June, 6,697 bushels, in July, 14,601 bushels, in August, 3,045 bushels. Then we come to our time for potatoes; in September, 970 bushels; in October, 239 bushels; in. November, 219 Dusiiels, or a total of 32.368 bushels of the

value of $30,530, or practically a dollar per bushel on the average.


Henry Herbert Stevens: Nearly all new potatoes?


William Stewart Loggie: Would they be new potatoes in October, November, December, January and February?


Henry Herbert Stevens: Take the figures for the three months on new potatoes.	[DOT]


William Stewart Loggie: That is exactly what I
have tried to present to the House-that we import practically nothing but new potatoes, and import them at a very high price because we have not got them*in Canada. If we had them in Canada they would be cheaper.


Henry Herbert Stevens: People are prepared to pay for them out of season.


William Stewart Loggie: The hon. gentleman may be prepared to pay more for them; but other people may not have so much spare cash as he to pay that extra price, especially when it has no result except to enrich the treasury of Canada. No other person gets any benefit. I say this means an increased cost of living on the importations of potatoes into Canada of $125,000, and without any benefit accruing to the farmers of Canada.
Now, Mr. Chairman, I wish to hurry on We have power now, by passing the resolution I shall place in your hands in a few moments, to give effect to this desirable situation, that as soon as we put the potatoes on the free list coming into Canada, our potatoes going into the United States, will, ipso facto, enter the United States market free of duty.


William Cameron Edwards: Except for the embargo.


William Stewart Loggie: Never mind that, I will come to that later on. I allege that Canadians paid in fourteen months duty on imports of potatoes to the amount of $83,167.04, and this amount must be added to the invoice cost of potatoes of eighty-five and one-half cents per bushel, making them cost, without freight, but simply cost and duty, over $3 per barrel. In addition to all this borne by the Canadian consumer, I allege, and can establish beyond question, that the New Brunswick growers of potatoes on their shipments in three months paid into the United States treasury $27,008 for duty. Now, had there been no duty, that $27,008 would have been jingling in the pockets of the farmers of New Brunswick. Now, what earthly reason can there be for this tax? It is much worse than an

export duty, because if we put an export duty on our potatoes, at least our own Canadian treasury would reap the benefit. But by leaving our potatoes on the dutiable list for the United States we, to all intents and purposes, put on an export duty for the benefit of the United States treasury.


William Cameron Edwards: What reason did Mir.
Fielding give for keeping on the duty?


William Stewart Loggie: I am surprised at the
hon. gentleman asking such a question. He knows as well as I do that when Mr. Fielding, or the Liberal party, went to the country in 1911, it was on the proposition that we should have an interchange of natural products, practically not interfering with manufactured products.


Avard Longley Davidson: Why did they wait so long before bringing that in?


William Stewart Loggie: I will tell the hon. gentleman. I would like to have it out with him. Let me tell him what, perhaps, he does not know, that from 1879 to 1896, the waiting policy was the policy of the Conservative party. Every time they went to the people they went on a platform of protective tariff and reciprocity in the natural products of the United States. And they waited, and waited, and waited.


William Cameron Edwards: And what did you do in 1896?


William Stewart Loggie: In 1896 the Liberal party revised the tariff, reduced the duties to some extent and then adopted the same policy of waiting to see if the United States would allow our natural products in, in exchange for a similar concession on our part. The policy of interchange in natural products was the policy of both parties until 1911. Hon. gentlemen are quite familiar with the reason why it was not made effective-it was simply that the United States were not ready for it. And they know why the interest was manifested in having natural products put on the free list as between these countries; it was because the United States put a clause in their tariff imposing a penalty duty upon commodities entering their country from a country that did not receive the same commodity from the United States at as low a rate as that under which it was admitted from	any other country.
And then it resulted in friendly relations. The people of Canada made a grave mistake in 1911, but let us act upon the conditions which exist at the present time.

We have to-day in the United States the very tariff for which the Conservative party waited for eighteen years; the very tariff for which the Liberal party waited for fifteen years. It is offered to us today;, are we friendly or unfriendly? I allege that the United States tariff of today is most friendly towards Canada. When the hon. Minister of Trade and Commerce was speaking in New York two years ago, I think, he held out the olive branch, and said that when the United States reduced their tariff Canada would probably reduce her duties or give some advantage to American goods coming into Canadian markets. The United States tariff is today a most friendly one. I keenly regret that the minister made during the course of his Budget speech a statement which, read between the lines, might be regarded as unfriendly towards the United States. Never in forty years of Canadian history has any minister of finance made such a remark as this, indeed, the very opposite has prevailed from the time of Confederation up to the present day. This was the remark of the hon. minister;
Speaking generally, it is not advisable that a nation's tariff should be so arranged as to fit into the particular features of that or any other nation.
Why did the minister make that remark, having regard to the friendly tariff which has just been put in force by the United States? For forty years we have had an unfriendly tariff; we have sought their friendship so far as tariff has been concerned; we have wished that they would put our natural products on their free list. This they have done as far as a large number of our natural products are concerned. But the minister almost says we do not reciprocate your kind consideration; we do not appreciate what you have done with regard to the putting of our natural products on the free list. I regret this exceedingly, because I think that it is an epoch in the history of Canada when the United States gives us free markets for our natural products, which are of immense value to our Canadian producers. I do not believe that hon. gentlemen fully realize the great possibilities of our Canadian potato production, especially when we have a market of one hundred million people to the south of us. Gentlemen should not forget that the population of Canada is proportionately two rural to one urban, while in the TJnited States the population is two urban to one rural.


Some hon. MEMBERS:: No.


William Stewart Loggie: Well, that is the way Mr. Sifton put it to the House when he was speaking on the subject.


Martin Burrell: Our population is in the proportion of 45 urban to 55 rural.


William Stewart Loggie: In any case, what I want the minister to bear in mind is this: that the United States tariff to-day is a friendly one and that we in Canada should act in a businesslike way and take advantage of the benefits which are offered to us by the friendly tariff of the United States. I have special reference to potatoes. I quote from the free list of the United States tariff, item 581:
Potatoes, dried, desiccated, or otherwise prepared, not specially provided for in this section, provided that any of the former specified articles shall be subject to a duty of ten per centum ad valorem when imported directly or indirectly from a country, dependency or other subdivision of government which imposes a duty on such articles imported from the United States.
From the day, therefore, that Canada puts potatoes on the free list our Canadian product will enter the United States free of duty, and the result will be a decided benefit to the Canadian producer. Under present conditions we dare not increase our planting because if the Ontario crops are exceptionally good, what will the Maritime provinces do with their surplus produce? We have the West Indian market, but it is a limited market. I have endeavoured to argue this matter according to the facts, and if my remarks are partisan it simply shows that I am on the right track. And if I am right, surely the minister is big enough to take this matter up and deal with it on its merits.


Richard Blain: If we had free trade between Canada and the United States on potatoes, what effect would it have on the price of potatoes in Canada when the United Statfes have a large surplus crop, which very often happens ?


William Stewart Loggie: I thought I had made myself perfectly clear on that when I said that in nineteen years out of twenty, potatoes are much dearer in the United States than in Canada; and if they are dearer in the United States why in the name of common sense should we want them here? If we can get our own potatoes at 424 cents a bushel, why should we want their potatoes at 75 cents a bushel or perhaps a smaller amount than that?. Hon. gentlemen should bear in mind that thirty barrels out of every caTload of three hundred barrels of potatoes go to pay the duty.


William Cameron Edwards: The hon. gentleman
says that in nineteen years out of twenty the price is higher on the other side. That means that in nineteen out of twenty years they would not, be sending them oyer here.


William Stewart Loggie: When we have not our
own .potatoes, we would pay the higher American price.


William Cameron Edwards: That would be in one year out of twenty.


William Stewart Loggie: What I said was that there is a market price for potatoes at digging time and in the following three or five months. I say that in nineteen years out of twenty the market price in the United States is higher than in Canada, and therefore there is no danger of American potatoes interfering with our home market. We buy American potatoes when our own are not available; that is, between seasons when our own potatoes are not palatable to city customers, at any rate. American potatoes are perhaps largely imported into Canadian cities during the months of June, July and August. I appeal to the minister to consider my resolution not from any party standpoint but for the following reasons: It will synchronize with the Underwood tariff. I have already pointed out that the United States tariff was unfriendly for forty years, and that it is now friendly; it will enrich our potato growers and will do them no harm because importations are principally made at high cost, and when old potatoes are not palatable, and before Canadian new potatoes are on our market. It will not harm our farmers because in nineteen years out of twenty potatoes are dearer in the United States than in Canada. It is urgent in the future interests of our trade and commerce; it will pave the way for enlarged markets, and increased production of Canadian potatoes; it will bridge the chasm between theory and practice, as we will realize a levelling of prices on potatoes as between Canada and the United States, resulting in immense possibilities for our farmers; it will remove from the minister's speech a sting of unfriendliness that may be read into it-I have already referred to that paragraph. It was the policy of the Conservative party, until 1911, at any rate, to have exchange in natural products. I think the minister might strain a point and put this one item on the free list. To-day and not to-morrow, this session and not next session, is the important time to act. Our non-action may be interpreted as not appreciating the

United States market, and the offer may be removed. We had a similar offer on our statutes for years, but deaf ears caused it to be withdrawn. Why enrich the United States treasury by $38.25 per carload on all potatoes from Canada to the United States when this money can be put into the pockets of our farmers? I have already mentioned that in three months the duty paid on the exportation of potatoes from New Brunswick alone amounted to $27,008. With free entry for our potatoes into the United States our potato growers would prosper, I am sure, in an unprecedented manner. We sent our deputy minister to Washington to get the embargo removed-proof of the value, in the opinion of the Government of the day, of the United States market for our potatoes. Put potatoes on our free list, and, ipso facto, our potatoes will be free into the United States. I have very much pleasure in moving the following resolution, seconded by Mr. J. J. Hughes, of Kings, P.E.I.:
That resolution 3, schedule 'A,' he amended by adding after 79a, the following:
That tariff item No. 83 be amended by adding thereto the following words: Provided, however, that potatoes dry, desicated or otherwise prepared, being the growth and production of the United States, shall be admited free of duty when, and as soon as, the United States removes the embargo regulations now existing' against like articles, the growth and production of Canada. *


William Thomas White: I have listened with much pleasure and interest to the remarks of my hon. friend, and I am sure he will acquit me of any discourtesy if at this late hour I do not reply at any length, ' as he has covered a good deal of ground. I notice that my hon. friend from South Renfrew looks tired and I certainly feel tired. I think we should promote the national interests if we all went home to bed rather than stay here to continue this discussion. The resolution of my hon. friend synchronizes . with the embargo against our potatoes. I take the position that we must negative this resolution as being inconsistent with the fiscal policy which I have announced in the Budget. I hope my hon. friend will not think I am dealing in any way abruptly or cavalierly with his resolution, and will acquit me of any discourtesy if I do not deal with it at any greater length.
Progress reported.
On motion of Mr. White, the House adjourned at 12.35 a.m. Wednesday.
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Coip. = Committee. Con. = Consideration. Div. =Division. M. =Motion. Rep. = Report. Res. = Resolution. Sec. ^Section.
Acme-Carbon mails, 2687.
Address to H.R.H. the Governor General, on departure from Canada, 5275.
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech, 4, 49, 94, 127, 167, 202, 259, 285. Amendments proposed: Sir Wilfrid Lau-rier, 22; Mr. Neely, 267.
Adulteration Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1433. 2r., 2388. Com., 3362.	3r.. 3362.
Advertising, fraudulent. See Criminal Code Amendment Bill.
Aerial navigation, 2972.
Agricultural implements
Duties on: m., Mr. Knowles, 1548: div., 1602.
Extent of industry, 572.
Rebate on raw material, 1360.
Tariff on, 3140.
Valuation for duty, 2958.
Agriculture
Department
Employees, 341, 363.
Entomology, division of, 1130.
Estimates, 341, 1098-1111,1130-1163, 16701688, 2370, 3487-3504.
Encouragement of, 6, 8, 76, 81, 84, 109, 171, 179, 225, 292, 301, 303, 358, 809, 11431162, 2956.
Experimental farms, 1098, 1135, 1154, 2370, 3487.
Gazette, 1098, 1161, 1670.
Insect pests, 1130, 1155.
Kentville, tuberculous cattle at, 4559. Quebec, in, 1143, 1148-1152, 1156-1160, 1162, 1676.
Aikins, Mr. James A. M. (Brandon)
Budget, 2645.
Transportation, 2646.
Wheat markets, 2648.
Agricultural implements, 2651.
National Policy, 2652.
Railway subsidies, 2654.	.
Trade of the West, 2656.
Dominion lands, 201, 3321.
Hudson Bay terminals, 683.
Senate representation, 1496.
Alaska-Yukon railway, 1433.
Alberta
Internal elevators, 473, 572.
Irrigation, 1605.
Natural gas, 357.
Rural mail, 817.
Alcohol, tariff on, 3106.
Aldershot camp, 1435.
Alert, steamer, 308, 325, 423-429, 474, 669.
Alexander post office, 2960.
Alguire, Mr. D. O. (Stormont)
Old age pensions, 1352.
Alpine club of Canada, 4155.
Aluminum leaf, tariff on, 3132.
Ames, Mr. Herbert B. (Montreal, St. Antoine)
Budget, 2501.
Trade outlook, 2501.
Revenue and expenditures, 2503.
Debt of Canada, 2504.
Temporary loans, 2507.
Tariff revision, 2508.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3725.
Amherst armoury, 3714, 4293.
Animals, health of, 3173.
Annapolis county mails, 345.
Antigonish
Customs collector, 3860, 3893.
Food inspector, 666.
Immigration agents, 573, 5210 Mail service, 572 Public works, 5227.
Arcadia rural mails, 701.
Archives, 720, 740, 1769. See also Records.
Armouries, 666, 702, 1890, 1902, 4204, 4576, See also Militia Estimates.
Armstrong, Mr. J. A. Macdonald (North
York)
Budget, 2592.
Agricultural implements, 2595.
Senate reform, 2595.
Free wheat, 2596.
Privilege, 3114.
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Militia, 4586.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2132.
Prudential Rife of Canada, 2902.
Public buildings, 1900.
Armstrong. J. H„ dismissal of, 2179.
Arthabaska public works, 1114. See also Drummond.
Art. See National Gallery.
Arthurs, Mr. James (Parry Sound) Explosives, regulation of, 3869.
Georgian Bay Canal, 2969.
Indian reserves, 3546.
Iron and steel industry, 1519, 3213.
Timber licenses, 5025.
Asiatic trade, 887, 5035.
L'Assurance de Rimouski, 3894.
Astronomical surveys, 4155.
Athabaska Landing-Fort McMurray telegraph, 354.
Atlantic fishing disaster, 5194.
Atlantic, Quebec and Western Railway, 892. Auditor General, office of, 723.
Aurora Menace, 2310, 3056, 3236.
Automobile lamp lenses, tariff on, 3133. Avignon post office, 818.
Bad Throat river water powers, 1913:
Bagot county rural mails, 1694.
Baie des Chaleurs Railway, 358.
Baie St. Paul mails, 1819, 1914, 3058, 4368.
Ball, Mr. R. J. (S. Grey)
Brodeur, Hon. B. P„ trips of, 1112.
Bank failures, 3199, 3208, 3860, 3894. Soe also Farmers Bank.
Bank rates of interest, 5199.
Banks and Banking. See Loan Companies and Trust Companies.
Banque Internationale, 4712, 4753.
Barnard, Mr. Geo. H. (Victoria, B.C.)
Asiatic immigration, 1250.
Divorce reform, 837.
Barrette, Mr. J. A. (Berthier)
Banks and banking, 3894.
Barriefield camp, 3714.
Basic slag, duty on, 444, 511, 630.
Amendment proposed: Mr. Emmerson, 638.
Bassano post office, 472.
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Bathurst
Harbour, 348, 4212, 4295.
Public works, 348.
Battlefields, historic, 4183. See also Quebec. Bear River wharf, 2013.
Beattie, Mr. Thomas (London)
London and Port Stanley Railway Company, 1416.
Beaubien homestead, 1842, 3331-3346.
Beauce rural mails, 1690.
Bedford public building, 2u45.
Beland, Hon. H. S. (Beauce)
Agricultural implement duties, 1586. Agriculture estimates, 1148.
Beauce rural mails, 1690.
Coal resources, 1806.
Franking privilege, 3224.
House of Commons representation, 5316. Immigration, 1617, 1624.
Inland Revenue estimates, 1377.
Rimouski Insurance Company, 4713, 4807.
Bennett, Mr. R. B. (Calgary)
Advertising, fraudulent, 3469.
Boy scouts, 4132.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 796.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3734. Naturalization, 4133.
Bennett, Mr. Wm. H. (East Simcoe)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Pig-iron industry, 230.
Transportation, 233.
Bounties on steel, 1516.
House of Commons accomodation, 4199. National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2321.
Post office employees, 2379.
Transportation, 951, 2978.
Bergeron, J. C., payments to, 368.
Best, Mr. John A. (Dufferin)
Lemieux, Hon. R., trips of, 698.
Privilege, 3114.
Tariff, 3062.
Bickerdike, Mr. Robert (Montreal, St. Lawrence)
Death penalty, 4, 483, 4516.
Immigration, 1638.
Judges' salaries, 3611.
Pilotage, 3624, 5069.
Prison reform, 4514.
Biggar, Col. J. L., trip to Europe of, 1217. Binder twine. See Inspection and Sale Act. Biological Board, 2434.
Bishop, A., employment of, 3208.
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Black Cape post office, 703, 2178.
Blain, Mr. Richard (Peel)
Dismissals, 1201.
Farmers Bank, 4895.
Public tenders, 1205.	.
Blood Reserve grazing lease, 357.
Blue-books, translation of, 2436.
Boar's Head fog alarm. 2787.
Boivin, Mr. Geo. H. (Shefford)
Agriculture department employees, 363 Budget, 2891
Agricultural implements, 2894.
Free food, 2895.
Canadian Northern Railtyay, 3717, 4054 Dismissals, 1405.
Eastern Townships diseased cattle, 263. Fenian raid veterans, 349, 440.
Granby post office, 363, 697.
Inland Revenue estimates, 1371, 1405. Judges' salaries, 3605.
Newport Customs employees, 890, 1021, 1332.
Post offices in Eastern Townships, 3647. Riendeau, S., employment of, 1114.
Shefford county rural mail, 363.
Tariff, 3152, 3157.
Bonaventure
Experimental farm, 357.
Indian reserves, 2544.
Mails, 1692, 2178.
Public works, 892, 1360.
Borden, Rt. Hon. R. L. (Prime Minister) Address to H.R.H. the Governor General, 5275.
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Delay in meeting of Parliament, 22. Solicitor Generalship, 22.
Highways improvement, 23.
Senate, 24.
Naval defence, 25.
Quebec terminals, 29.
Cost of living, 29.
Agricultural implement duties, 1558 Atlantic mail service, 5062.
British Columbia Better Terms Commission, 2372, 4628, 4997.
Brooke, Mrs. M. J., pension of, 4964. Canadian Northern Railway Aid Bill, 3650, 4009, 4025-4089, 4221-4281, 4300-4334, 4376, 4399, 4452, 4548. .See a'so 3252, 3319, 3397, 3453, 3573.
Canadian Pacific Railway and Austrian emigration, 899.
Canadian Peace Centenary Association, 970, 4961.
Charlottetown Confederation Convention, 4960.
Borden, Rt. Hon. R. L.-Con.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1478.
Colpitts, Mr., case of, 454.
Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1450. Conservation Commission, 718.
Divorce
Procedure in parliament, 4882.
Reform, 838.
Dry docks subsidies, 4095.
Electoral corruption, 918.
Empress of Ireland, loss of, 4433, 4552, 4554, 4555. 4628, 4716, 4879, 4894, 4954, 5230.
Explosives,, manufacture of, 1810.
Farmers Bank, 4802.
Fenian raid veterans, 4359.
Fishing disaster-appeal for government aid, 5196.
Fuller, Mrs. M. E., pension of, 4998. Goodwin, Geo., return of deposit to. 2371. Grand Trunk Pacific bond guarantee, 4831, 4929.
High Commissioner's office, 311.
Hindu immigration, 4295, 4369, 4566.
House of Commons
Business of the House, 1606, 3197. Debates, French translation of, 5271. Deputy Speaker, office of, 1365.
Easter adjournment, 2311.
Morning sittings, 2788, 3210, 3310. Questions and answers, 880. Representation, See that title.
Saturday sittings, 3784.
Wednesday sittings, 1264.
Imperial Press Conference, 4961.
Indian Act Amendment, 3482, 3540, 3550. Intercolonial Railway
Canadian Pacific Railway traffic agreement, 594.
Management, 3286.
Suburban trains, 1065.
International Waterways Commission, 1163, 1396, 1483, 4962.
Irrigation Act Amendment, 3485.
Labour conditions Unemployment, 5032.
Vancouver Island, 1325.
Western, 3892.
Labrador coast line, 2954.
Life-saving rewards, 5177.
Militia and religious processions, 5375. Monk, Hon. F D., death of, 3785.
Mounted police, 310, 708-718, 4963.
National Council of Women, 2948.
National Transcontinental Railway Commission, 4838.
Investigation, 2353.
Management, 5099.
Montreal, connection with, 5128. Naturalization, 4813.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1069.
Naval service, 5157.	.
Navigable waters, pollution of, 1742.
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Newfoundland shipping disaster, 2517, 2995. Newspaper reports of caucus, 1871.
Paris government office, 4966. Parliamentary procedure Answers of length, 1061.
Commons admendments to Senate amendments, 5034.
Privilege, basing on newspaper statements, 1121.
Returns and private papers, 4958. Supply, Committee of, without notice, 307.
Thursday sittings and Government pre-„	cedence, 696, 706, 708, 721.
Petroleum, export of, 971, 1758, 3463. Pollution of navigable waters, 1742.
Postal rates to Britain, 3235.
Quebec Battlefields Commission, 3891, 4117. Railway Act Amendment, 2947.
Records Departmental Commission, 4963. Representation in the House of Commons, 611, 620, 795, 842, 866, 927, 5306, 5324, 5352, 5364.
St. John Valley railway bridges, 3883, 3959, 4024.
San Francisco exposition, 3255.
Senate representation, 1483,	1911,	3513,
5277, 5296.
Strathcona, Lord, death of, 91.
Tariff, 4432.
Tate, W., claim of, 4967.
Transatlantic mail service, 594. Unemployed in Montreal, 3176.
Vincent, J. U., appointment of, 1410.
Borden, Sir Frederick, trips of, 570.
Boulay, Mr. H. (Rimouski)
Agriculture, encouragement of, 358, 1111, 1149.
Canada and Gulf Railway, 1022.
Clement, Hon. Justice, 2263, 2367. Dismissals, 969, 1426.
Farmers Bank, 4896.
French guides for museums, 1816. Immigration, 1620.
Intercolonial Railway
Appointments of chiefs, 471.
Branch lines, 5126.
Employees' wages, 471, 1016. Management of, 3311, 4947.
Tie contracts, 1331.
Judges' salaries, 1938.
Marine signals, improvement of, 5182. Militia, 4596.
National Transcontinental Railway stations, 1604.
Naturalization, 4818.
Naval service, 334, 346. bi73.
Ottawa as a federal district, 1889.
Pedley, F., resignation of, 817.
Pilotage, 3629.
Railway Commission, 2437.
Rimouski land purchase, 1695.
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Sessional messengers, 704.
Smuggling, alleged, 1782.
Trade commissioners, 888.
Vineberg, Helen, divorce Bill, 4880.
Bounties on steel. See Steel.
Bourassa, Mr. J. Boutin (LSvis)
Carrier machine shops, 1819, 2961. Dismissals, 4369, 5028.
Fenian raid veterans, 1022.
Intercolonial Railway Double tracking, 4558.
Fire claims, 5029.
' Safety First ' engineer, 2262. Investigations into political partisanship, 2308.
Larose, Wilfrid, 1818.
, Lauzon postmaster, 5029.
LSvis
Experimental farm, 369.
Rural mail, 369.
Mail bag locks, 701.
National Transcontinental Railway Quebec terminals, 2177.
Ontario Fire Insurance Co., 4295.
St. Romuald post office, 809, 4021.
Boy Scouts, 4131, 5002.
Boyce, Mr. A. C. (West Algoma)
Electoral corruption, 914.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2180.
Prudential Life of Canada, 2900.
Vineberg, Helen, divorce Bill, 4881. Wagner, Philip, 1184.
Boyer, Mr. Gustave (Vaudreuil)
Agriculture, aid to, 809.
Boyer, Mr. A. G.-Con.
Bergeron, J. C., payments to, 368.
Butter manufacture, 2385.
Chevrier et Freres, payments to, 368. Graham wharf, 443.
Intercolonial Railway lumber purchase, 894.
Ottawa river lightkeepers, 574.
Point Fortune wharf, 3398.
Quebec seigniories, 568.
Rigaud
Post office, 442, 3638, 4021.
Wharf, 442.
Wharfs, revenue from, 368.
Boys, Mr. W. A. (South Simcoe)
Barcelona Light and Power Company, 1911, 1981.
W. C. Edwards Company, 3474.
Bradbury, Mr. George H. (Selkirk)
Butter manufacture, 3164.
Central Western Canada Railway Company, 806.
Cold storage, 3568.
Dismissals, 1199.
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Fenian raid veterans, 5001.
Indians, 3483, 3545.
Ottawa public buildings, 1878.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1745, 2013. Tariff, 3124.
Winnipeg-Gimli train service, 4629. Brantford public building, 817, 871, 5218.
British Columbia-Alaska Railway, proposed, 1870.
Bristol, Mr. Edward (Toronto Centre)
Better Terms Commission, 359, 2372, 4628, 4997.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3787, 4254. Broder, Mr. Andrew (Dundas)
Address In reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 177.
Highways improvement, 177.
Cost of living, 178.
Agriculture, aid to, 179.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1473.
Brodeur, Hon. L. P., trips of, 1112.
Brome rural mail service, 703.
Brooks, Mrs. M. J., pension of, 4964.
Brouillard, Mr. Ovide (Drummond and Arth-abaska)
Arthabaska public works, 1114. Dismissals, 1023.
Drummond and Arthabaska post offices, 1019.
Le Present printing contracts, 1534. Newspaper advertising, 1781.
Rimouski government employees, 4021.
Buchanan, Mr. William A. (Medicine Hat) Acme-Carbon mails, 2687.
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 304.
Transportation, 304.
Agricultural Implement duties, 1585. Alberta
Internal elevators, 473, 572, 1216. Irrigation, 1605.
Natural gas, 357.
Rural mail, 817.
Bassano post office, 472.
Blood Reserve grazing lease, 357.
Budget, 2660.
Freight rates1, 2660.
Tariff, 2661.
Free wheat, 2663.
Agricultural implements, 2665. Immigration, 2667.
Burns grazing lease, 2591.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 766.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3948, 4424. Canadian Pacific Railway Irrigated lands, 2785.
Central Western Canada Railway Company, 804. .
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Coal lands, 365.
Coutts customs officer, 436.
Dominion lands, 3320.
Glencurrie post office, 4561.
Grain elevators, 1647.
Homesteaders' pre-emptions. 357. Irrigation, 574, 3596.
Labour disputes, 545.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1067.
Newspapers, postal rates on, 3238.
Ottawa building leases, 2544.
Railway Commissioners' superannuation, 574.
Ranching Commission, 574.
Rural post office libraries, 892.
Budget, 2440, 2482, 2520, 2547, 2592, 2639, 2690, 2734, 2789, 2841.
Amendment proposed:	Sir Wilfrid
Laurier, 2849; div., 2898.
Buffalo herd, 4155.
Bureau, Mr. Jacques (Three Rivers and St. Maurice)
Cap de la Madeleine wharf, 2959. GrandmSre buildings, 2688.	[DOT]
Ice breaking, 409.
Inland Revenue estimates, 1372.
Judges' salaries, 1932, 3604.
Naval service, 5167.
Penitentiaries estimates, 62368.
Post office estimates, 3647.
St. Maurice boom service, 2688.
St. Maurice Shawinigan public works, 5194.
Three Rivers Camp, 3509.
Dismissals, 818.	[DOT]
Postal district, 5129.
Post office, 2688.
Preventive officer, 473.
Public buildings, 569.
Burnham, Mr. John H. (Peterborough West) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 46.
Cost of living, 47.
Highways improvement, 48.
Asiatic immigration, 1251.
Battlefields, preservation of, 4118.
Boy scouts, 4132.
Budget, 2629.
Protection and free trade, 2630.
Labour conditions, 2635.
Butter manufacture, 3163.
Canadian Northern Railway, 2262, 2591. 3967.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1475.
Criminal Code and moral law, 3480. Divorce reform, 827.
Elections Act Amendment, 478.
Electoral corruption, 907.
Farmers Bank, 3529.
Fisheries of Ontario, 1827, 1916.
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Georgian Bay canal, 2973.
High Commissioner's office, 1768. Immigration, 1618.
Judges' salaries, 1937.
Naturalization, 4532, 4544.
Ocean transportation, 2932.
Old age pensions, 1340.
Oriental industrial competition, 4558. Panama canal rates, 3509.
Privilege, 3058.
Tariff, 1358, 3124.
Titles of honour, 479.
Trade, balance of, adjustment, 2016.
Trent canal, 4940, 4994.
W. C. Edwards Company, 3475.
IBurrell, Hon. Martin (Minister of Agriculture)
Agriculture, Department of, estimates, 341,	1098-1111,	1130-1163,	1670-1688,
2370, 3173, 3487-3502.
Agricultural Gazette, 1098, 1104, 1161, 1670. Animals, health of, 3173.
Butter. See Dairy Products.
Cold storage, 1680, 1752, 3559, 4172.
Cow testing, 1673.
Dairy products regulation, 1678, 1751, 2384, 2387, 3162.
Exhibitions, 1684.
Experimental farms, 1098, 1109, 1154, 2370, 3493.
Food products, inspection of, 1672, 1679, 2370.
Fruit inspection, 1674.
Horse breeding, 3493, 3501.
Insect pests, 1130-1133, 1155.
L6vis quarantine station, 1108.
Live stock industry, 3493.
Patent Office, 5200.
Patent Record, 1098.
Patents, renewal of, 1668, 1669, 2948, 3205. Potatoes, tariff on, 3090.
Quebec, agriculture in, 1677.
Tobacco culture, 1147.
Bury drill hall, 2960.
Butter. See Dairy Products.
Buttons, ivory, tariff on, 3159.
Cable rates, 5246.
Cameron, A. J., Fenian raid bounty commissioner, 2960.
Campbell, Glen, charges against, 622, 1853. Camperville and Winnipegosis mails, 2686. Canada and Gulf Railway, 1022.
Canada Grain Act Amendment Bill. Res., 3161. lr., 3162.	2r„ 3573. Com., 3574.
3r., 3861.
Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bills
Coasting privileges: lr., 90.
Investigations of casualties: lr., 4552.	2r.
and com., 4554.	3r., 4631.
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Pilotage: lr., 3054.	2r., 3621. Com., 3621.
3r., 3631.
Shipping: Res., 1540. lr., 1540. 2r., 1607. See also Merchant Shipping.
Canada, Steamship, 2437, 3715.
Canada Temperance Act Amendment Bill.
lr., 3453.	2r., 3588. Com., 3588.	3r..
3717. See also 1760, 2373.
Canadian Northern Railway
Conductors, dismissal of. 2518.
Loan, application for, 1361.
Pacific terminus, 699.
Payments, 345.
Subsidies, 2262, 2591.
Terminals, 2262.
Canadian Northern Railway Aid Bill. Res., 3651, 3717, 3787, 3828, 3896, 3967, 4009, 4025, 4216, 4296, 4323, 4370. lr., 4426. 2r„ 4452. Com., 4525, 4545. Rep., 4551.	3r..
4631, 4675.
Amendments proposed
On res.: Mr. Macdonald, 3833; div., 4008. In com, on res.: Mr. Carvell, 4014; div., 4019.
On 2r. of res.: Mr. Ross, 4376; div., 4390. Mr. Pugsley, 4391; div., 4413. Mr. Oliver, 4416; div., 4425.
On 3r. of Bill: Sir Wilfrid Laurier, 4634; div., 4663. Mr. Verville, 4664; div., 4674.
Canadian Pacific Railway
Austria, office in, 896.
Irrigated lands, 2785.
Labour award, 2961.
Lachine bridge, 3111.
Toronto-Sudbury line, 1113. Winnipeg-Gimli train service, 4629.
Canadian Peace Centenary Association, 970, 4961.
Canadians in Mexico, protection of, 2785. Canals, 365, 1957, 2963, 4162, 5108.
Canning factories, 1605.
Canning public building site, 1899, 4183, 5224. Canso
Letter boxes, 703.
Reduction works, 1693, 2080.
Cap aux Corbeau wharf, 4293.
Cap de la Madeleine wharf, 2959.
Cape Breton, naturalization in, 1116.
Capital punishment, abolition of, 4, 482, 1731. 4516.
Carbons, tariff on, 3132.
Cardin, Mr, P. J. A. (Richelieu)
St. Joseph de Sorel post office, 572.
Trempe, L. J., employment of, 1434, 1695.
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Carleton Head breakwater, 2178.
Carnations, tariff on, 3043.
Carrick, Mr. J. J. (Thunder Bay and Rainy River)
Canadian Northern Railway, 3811.
Iron and steel industry, 1498.
Rainy River Radial Railway Company, 2950.
Carroll, Mr. W. F. (Cape Breton South) Alert, steamer, 308, 423.
Biggar, Col. J. L„ 1217.
Bridgeport postmaster, dismissal of, 3840. Budget, 2547
Naval defence, 2548.
Immigration, 2549.
Steel industry, 2551.
Coal industry, 2553.
Cost of living, 2554.
Tariff, 2555.
Labour conditions, 2556.
Canada Temperance Act, 3592.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4027, 4081, 4227, 4667, 4671.
Civil Service, 5373.
Cold storage, 1680, 3565, 4172.
Dismissals, 1171, 3840.
Dry docks, 4092, 4111.
Excise estimates, 1414, 1417.
Explosives, regulation of, 3863.
Fenian raid veterans, 4355, 5000.
Fish and fisheries Industry, 5275.
Protection, 1794, 1822.
Transportation, 390.
Franklin, B. J., employment of, 5217.
Glace Bay harbour, 4207.
Ice breakers, 402.
Immigration, 1643.
Indians, 3542.
Intercolonial Railway Appointments, 1113.
Branch lines, 5115.
Management, 3313.
Standard rules, 2957.
Judges' salaries, 1944, 3611.
Labour
Disputes, 532.	!
Public wor«.s, on, 4205, 5202.
Lobster regulations, 5186.
Militia, 4599, 4605.
Mira river steamboat service, 2933, 5038. Naturalization, 1116, 4139, 4537, 4820.
Naval service, 333.
Old age pensions, 1343.
Ottawa as the Capital, 1884.
Pig iron, drawback on, 3216.
Public buildings in Cape Breton, 1895. Railway employees-hours of service, 2175. St. Peter's Indian school, 2479.
Steamboat subsidies, 2933.
Technical education, 5207.
Carroll, Mr. W. F.-Con.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3476.
Townsend, N. T., resignation of, 2436. Vancouver Island coal strike, 1276, 4667. Whitney Pier subcollector of customs, 433. Winter, Lt.-Col. E. F„ employment of, 2840.
Carslake Hotel purchase, 1871, 2436, 4023, 4192.
Carson. See Home Rule.
Carvell, Mr. Frank B. (Carleton, N.B.)
Basic slag, 643.
Bounties on iron and steel, 1520.
Butter manufacture, 2384.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3912,	4011,
4235, 4308, 4525.
Capital punishment, 491.
Carson, Sir Edward, presentation to, 1785. Dismissals, 1196, 1388, 2424.
Divorce reform, 832.
Dorval land purchase, 1218, 2436.
Dredge Fielding, 2261.
Dredging in New Brunswick, 2078.
Dry docks subsidies, 3961.
Empress of Ireland, loss of, 4556. Experimental farms, N.B., 1135, 1140, 348 , 3492.
Fenian raid veterans, 3367, 4341.
Fisheries, 786, 1799.
Foundation Co., Ltd., 1876.
Fredericton public works, 705.
Fundy, Bay of, navigation 165. Government officials in politics,, 119o. Government Railways Claims Act, 2392. Government telegraph service, 2375.
House of Comomns Debates, distnbu.ion of, 1774.
Indian schools, 2395.
Inland Revehue, appointment of Deputy Minister of, 1411.
intercolonial Railway-Chatham Junction-Brockville Branch, 44/7.
International Horse Show, 2439.
Iron and steel, bounties on, 1520.
Judges' salaries, 3608.
Kelly, W. J., case of, 1696, 1722.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 526, 544, 660, 1288, 1SU5.
Levis quarantine, 1218.
Light buoys, 1169.
Marion Bridge-Woodbine mails, 1116. Militia, 2371, 3412-3440, 4527, 4592, 4620'	4628.
Montreal harbourmaster, 4022.
Natonal Transcontinental Railway Deficit, 1780.
Investigation, 2051.
Operation, 4453, 4455.
Naturalization, 4535, 4537, 4539.
Ottawa
Building leases, 2439, 2519.
Custom house, 2079.
Water supply, 1887.
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Patents, renewal of, 2919.
Payne, Stephen, employment of, 1605.
Post Office Department automobile, 3113. Potatoes, tariff on, 3067, 3085, 3103. Railway mail clerks, 238i.
St. John
Custom house, 1330.
Harbour, 1331.
Marine service, 1913.
St. John and Quebec Railway, 2997, 3881, 3959.
Souris rifle range, 4592.
Southampton Railway Company, 1455, 3009. Sussex public building, 1694.
Tariff, 3040, 4335, 4430.
Tobique Indian reserve, 816, 1359, 1535, 1915, 2590, 3534.
Transatlantic mail service, 582.
Vincent, J. U.. appointment of, 1411. Volunteer bounty, 1396.
West Indies, trade with, 2015.
Woodstock public building coal supplies, 569.
Cassana flour, tariff on, 3043.
Caterpillar moths, 1132.
Cattle
Inspection of, 758.
United States embargo, 3065.
See also Live Stock.
Census, 842, 954.
Chabot, Mr. John Leo (Ottawa)
Civil Service, 4446.
House of Commons representation, 5309. Chain, tariff on, 3138.
Chairman and Acting Chairman, rulings of Acceptance of member's statement, 2420. Estimates, though not printed in French, may be considered, 403.
Chambly canal, 2990, 4558.
Charlottetown
Confederation Convention, 4960.
Mails, 2014, 3058.	,
Charlton, Mr. William A. (Norfolk)
Canadian Northern Railway, 3998.
Chesley post office, 664, 5231.
Chevrier et Freres, payments to, 368.
Chisholm, Mr. Alexander W. (Inverness) Alexander post office, 2960.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4080, 4219. Dismissals, 1406, 1418, 1815.
Farmers Bank, 1117, 4798.
Fish transportation, 386, 393.
Fisheries advisory board, 348, 702, 2412. Government telegraph and telephone system, 4181.
Grigg, trade commissioner, 2435.
Indians, Nova Scotia, 2474-2479. Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 1740, 4867.
Coal contracts, 3194.
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Inverness
Fruit inspector, 1672.
(Harbour, 1818.
Postal service, 815.
Steam service, 2943, 5040.
Margaree harbour repairs, 4209.
Militia, 4617.
Port Hawkesbury public building, 1895.
Chisholm, Mr. William (Antigonlsh) Antigonish
Customs collector, 3860, 3893, 4435.
Food inspector, 666.
Immigration agents, 573, 5210.
Mail service, 572, 5137.
Public buildings, need of, 1896, 5227. Cattle disease, 3175.
Decoste, Capt. J., dismissal of, 1783. Dominion Atlantic Railway, 1115, Duchemin, Mr., expenses of, 5239.
Eastern Extension Railway, 3183.
Fenian raid veterans, 2080, 4999. Government officials in politics, 2407. Guysborough mails, 1914.
Heatherton Indian reserve, 573 House of Commons Representation, 5344.
Returns, alleged incomplete, 2377. Immigration, 1629.
Intercolonial Railway Antigonish bridge, 1016.
Dorchester water supply, 1015. Extensions, 3179, 4938.
Passes, 4877.
Repairs, 5121.
Judges' salaries, 1930.
Liberator publication, 3236.
Mail clerks, 3241.
Militia, 4608, 4615, 5012.	-
Nova Scotia immigration agents, 1691.
Plainfield post office, 2016.
Privilege, 2085, 5955.
South Lake, protection woi-Ks, 5233. Vancouver Orange Lodge, 2591.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1473, 1688.
Cimon, E. H., expenses of, 664.
Civil Service Appointments, 666, 1164.
Commission, 697.
Suoerannuation, 1691.
Civil Service Act (Post Office) Amendment Bill. Res., 2378. lr., 2389.	2r., 3173.
Com., 3220.	3r., 3220, 3249.
Civil Service Acts Amendment Bill. Res.,
4437. lr„ 4452.
Civil Service Insurance Bill. Res., 1751. lr., 1751.	2r., 1871. Com., 1871.	3r„ 1875.
Civil Service Superannuation Bill.	Res.,
5364. lr., 5374.
Clark, Mr. Hugh (North Bruce)
Farmers Bank, 3530.
Militia, 5006.
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Speech
Delay in meeting of Parliament, 35. Redistribution of representation, 35. Highways improvement, 36.
By-elections, 37.
Tariff, 38.
Free wheat, 42.
Agricultural implement duties, 1587.
Asiatic trade, 5030.
British cattle embargo, 759.
Budget, 2862 Trade, 2864.
Borrowings, 2865.
Home market, 2869.
Tariff, 2871.
Free wheat, 2873.
Iron industry, 2875.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 802.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4239. Canadians at Bisley, 518.
Dominion lands, 4890.
Farmers Bank, 4912.
Grain markets, 1658.
House of Commons representation, 869. Naval service, 330, 5155.
Ottawa municipal government, 1883.
Pig iron, drawback on, 3218.
Steel industry, 1506.
Clarke, Mr. A. H. (South Essex)
Tobacco culture, 1147.
Clarke, Mr. W. A. (North Wellington)
Budget, 2731.
Clement, Mr. Justice, expenses of, 2263, 2367.
Clements, Mr. Herbert S. (Coihox-Atlin) Canadian Northern Railway, 4665, 4672. Government telegraph lines in British Columbia, 2376.
Militia for Prince Rupert, 4586.
Navigable waters protection, 343.
Coal
Contracts for dredges, 923.
Lands, 365.
Royalties, 1809.
Coasting privileges, 2435, 2915-2925, 5196. Coasting trade of Canada, 756.
Cobequid, steamer, wreck of, 165, 358, 1166.
Cochrane, Hon. Frank (Minister of Railways and Canals)
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 795.
Central Western Canada Railway Company, 805.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway, 201.
Hudson Bay terminals, 678.
Intercolonial Railway train service, 258. Prince Edward Island Railway, 310.
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Budget, 2529
Agricultural implements, 2537.
Cost of living, 2536.
Naval defence, 2542.
Protection, 2532.
Transportation, 2541.
Canadians in Mexico, 2785.
Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1452. Immigration, 1624.
Naturalization, 4531, 4533, 4536.
Stone, tariff on, 873, 3127.
Trade agencies, 321.
Cocoanuts, tariff on, 3106.
Coderre, Hon. Louis (Secretary of State) Archives Department, 1771.
Canada Temperance Act, 1760 .
Companies Act Amendment, 3397, 3861, 4806.
Explosives, manufacture of, 3587, 3861. F'rench translation, 5273.
Mines Department estimates, 1801-1815. Naturalization, 1763.
Ores, treatment of, 1803.
Peat, experiments with, 1804-1810.
Printing and stationery, 724-740, 1774. Secretary of State Department-salaries, etc., 724.
Tar sand deposits, 1812.
Voters' lists, 1760, 5267.
Coke, tariff on, 3137.
Cold Storage Regulation Bill. Res., 1752. lr., 1753.	2r., 3559. Com., 3559, 4172.
3r., 4173. See also 700, 707, 1680.
Cold Storage in Nova Scotia, 700.
Coldbrook Station postmaster, 1690.
Cole Harbour wharf, 1693.
Colpitts, G. A., case of, 446.
Companies Act Amendment Bill, lr., 3397. 2r., 3861. Com., 3861. 3r., 3861. Senate amendments, 4806.
Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1444.
Conservation
Commission, 718, 5201.
Natural resources, 3323.
Cookshire public building, 2960.
Co-operative Credit Societies Bill, lr., 3637. Cornwall canal, 2990.
Cost of Living, 21, 29, 40, 48, 69, 79, 87, 96, 102, 110, 121, 132, 178, 190, 245, 249, 294, 5376. See also Budget.
Cost of Living Commission, 356, 2436.
Cow testing, 1673.
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Firearms and detectaphones, lr., 467.
Fraudulent advertising, lr., 3397. 2r„ 3466. Com., 3466, 3480.	3r., 3481. See also
4215.
Criminal Code revision, 3058.
Cromwell, Mr. F. R. (Crompton)
St. George's Club, 3427.
Crothers, Hon. Thos. W.(Minister of Labour)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Cost of living, 276.
United Shoe Machinery Co., 277.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4665.
Farmers Bank, 4726, 4923.
Labour
Estimates, 339, 523-566, 656-663, 5202.
Montreal harbour, in, 5203.
Matches, white phosphorus, 1536, 1756.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1093.
Technical education, 4888, 5206.
Vancouver Island labour troubles, 523-566, 656, 1305.
Cruise, Mr. Robt. (Dauphin)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 295.
Cost of living, 296.
Reciprocity with United States, 297.
Budget, 2824.
Farm Implements, 2825.
Free wheat, 2825.
Camperville mails, 2686.
Canadian Northern Railway, 2518.
Currie, Mr. John A. (North Simcoe)
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 766.
Militia, 3434.
Tariff, 3149.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 3275.
Currie, Ronald, 99), 1005, 1361, 1603.
Customs
Appointments, 473.
Dismissals, 963, 997.
Duties, 5363.
Estimates, 400, 422-439, 963-969, 997-1011, 2363, 2374.	-
Protection service, 423.
Undervaluation, 3318.
Customs Act (Pig-iron drawback) Amendment Bill. Res., 3210. lr., 3220.	2r.,
3510. Com., 3511.	3r., 3511. See also
Tariff Bill.
Dairy Products Regulation Bill. Res., 1751. lr., 1752.	2r., 2384. Com., 3162.	3r.,
3173.
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Fenian raid veterans, 3376.
Marine and Fisheries estimates, 2418. National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2150.
Death Penalty. See Capital Punishment. Debt of Canada, 1116.
Delisle, Mr. Michel (Portneuf)
Montcalm, Steamship, 666.
Morrison, Lt.-Col., expenses of, 1915. Murray Bay steamer service, 1915. Pilotage, 666, 1219.
Portneuf lightkeeper, 1219, 3510.
St. Casimir post office, 360, 667.
Sessional indemnity, 817.
Demers, Mr. M. Joseph (St. John and Iberville)
Dismissals, 1376, 2689.
Farmers Bank, 4736.
(Hansard, omission in, 4886.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2250.
Paradis, L., appointment of, 2840.
Railway Act Amendment, 610, 793.
Ste. Brigide mails, 893.
St. Johns Bridge, 2689.
Customs collector, 893.
Inland Revenue, 1021.
Rural mail, 366.
Seed grain, 369.
Denison, J. R., postmaster, 3209, 3640, 5259, 5264.
Dental machines, tariff on, 3144.
Dentistry congress, 2957.
Deputy Speaker, office of, 1362.
Des Prairies river dredging, 1731. Detectaphone, use of, 468.
Devlin, Mr. Emmanuel B. (Wright)
Budget, 2621
National policy, 2622.
Surpluses, 2624.
Immigration, 2625.
Tariff, 2626.
Transportation, 2627.
Agriculture, 2628.
Canal traffic, 365.
Explosives, regulation of, 3863.
Farmers Bank, 4722.
Georgian Bay canal, 567, 1047, 2968.
Grain shipments, 472.
House of Commons representation, 5321. Hull
Customs office, 568.
Inland Revenue receipts, 473. International Waterways, 164.
Judges' salaries, 1925.
Mineral deposits, 1023.
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Ottawa and Hull Improvement Commission, 697.
Privilege, 1119.
Public buildings, expenditure on, 4190, Ulster and the Minister ot Militia, 1903. Unemployment, 5031.	-
W. C. Edwards Company, 3474.
Wright county post offices, 445.
Dismissals, 430, 762, 770, 990, 997, 1170-1188, 1375, 1385-1395, 1401, 1424.
Bigelow, J. E., 1436.
DOcoste, J., Capt., 1783.
Drummond and Arthabaska, 1023.
Faucher, E., painter, 1784.
Fish hatchery employees, 370.
Intercolonial Railway employees, 370.
Laing, J. R., postmaster, 370.
LariviOre, Mr., land agent, 370.
Leslie, Wm. C„ postmaster, 369.
McGillis, J., 1435.
McLeod, M. H., geologist, 1815.
McRae, A., lighthouse-keeper, 1118.
Three Rivers postal officials, 818.
D'lsraeli wharf, 1435.
Divorce cases, procedure In, 1118.
Divorce reform, 821.
Doherty, Hon. C. J. (Minister of Justice) Advertising, fraudulent, 3397, 3466, 3480. Asiatic immigration, 1258.
Canada Temperance Act Amendment, 3453, 3588, 3717.
Capital punishment, 741.
Divorce reform, 835.
Dominion Lands Act Amendment, 4367, 4821, 4889.
Dominion police, 2368.
Elections Act Amendment, 478.
Electoral corruption, 908.
Exchequer Court, 2367.
Explosives, regulation of, 3863.
Falardeau case, 459.
Fatsari, G., release of, 4jS.
Fraudulent advertising, 3397, 3466, 3480. Haultain, Chief Justice, judgments of, 1265. Judges, Prince Edward Island, 4887. Judges' salaries, 1940, 3603, 3886, 3957. Judicial Committee of the Privy Council, 1955.
Justice Department
Estimates, 342, 2365, 4521.
Salaries, 342.
Juvenile Delinquents Act Amendment, 3251, 3516.
Kelly, Wm. J., case of, 1706.
Labrador coast, jurisdiction on, 2954. Merchants Accident Guarantee Company, 3512.
Monk, Hon. F. D„ death of, 3787.
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Naturalization, British nationality, 3249, 4119, 4143, 4173, 4367, 4529-4545, 48084821, 4823.
O'Brien, A. H„ superannuation of, 1945. Pembroke Lumber Company, claim of, 5026.
Penitentiaries, 2365, 2368, 4521.
Pension to guard's widow, 3460, 3531.
Prison reform, 4522.
Prisons and Reformatories Act Amendment, 3397, 3466.
Senate representation, 1488.
Supreme Court appeals, 3251, 3462.
White slave traffic, 4523.
Dominion Atlantic Railway, 1115.
Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks Act Amendment Bill. lr., 2261.	2r., 3512.
Com., 3512, 3554. 3r„ 3558. See also 4151. Dominion Lands Act Amendment Bills Aikins, Mr. lr., 201.
Doherty, Mr. lr., 4367.	2r„ 4821. Com.,
4821, 4889.	3r., 4891.
Roche, Mr. lr.,' 2261.	2r., 3249. Com.,
3249, 3320, 3511. 3r., 3512.
Dominion Lands and Parks, 1836, 2372, 4151. Orders in Council approved, 4713.
Dorchester
Government employees, 3638.
Penitentiary, 440.
Dorion dredging, 443.
Dorval militia land purchase, 1025, 1119,1218, 2436.
Douglas, Mr. James (Strathcona)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 299.
Aid to agriculture, 301.
Unemployed labour, 301.
Budget, 2835 Freight rates, 2837.
Binder twine, 2838.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 765, 804.
Dominion lands, 3349-3361.
Government officials in politics, 1836 Hudson Bay terminals, 568.
Indians, 2478.	,
Dredges and dredging
Canada, 811, 1218.
Coal supplies, 2078.
East river, 5363.
Fielding, 2261.
George McKenzie, 1780.
New Brunswick, 2078.
Prince Edward Island, 3058.
Drill halls. See Armouries.
Drummond and Arthabaska postmasters, 1019.
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Res., 3961. lr., 3965.	2r., 4090. Com.,
4090. 3r., 4112. See also 5237.
Dube, P., employment of, 2016.
Duchemin, H. P„ payments to, 353, 697, 770, 893, 926, 966, 990, 1111, 1173.
Dunvegan telegraph, 816.
tfuthie Point lighthouse, 703.
Eastern Extension Railway, 3183.
Eastern Townships
Diseased cattle, 363.
Experimental farm, 1694.
Post offices, dismissals in, 3640, 5261.
East Jeddore dredging, 925.
East river improvements, 811.
Edmonton and Ft. George mail service, 891. Edmonton drill hall, 354.
Edmundston immigration office, 704, 1619. Edson-Grand Prairie mail service, 369.
Edwards, Mr. John W. (Frontenac) Agricultural Gazette, 1104.
Barriefield camp, 3714.
Budget, 2603 Farm products, 2604.
Free wheat, 2610.
Transportation, 2614.
Agricultural implements, 2615.
Cost of living, 2619.
Steel industry, 2619.
Reciprocity with the United States, 2620. Capital punishment, 501.
Civil Service, 4449, 4450.
Cold storage, 1681.
Fenian raid veterans, 3509.
Fisher, Hon. S., on Canadian farming, 1110. Fisheries, 1825.	>
Franking privilege, 3225.
Frontenac rural mail, 813.
Government officials in politics, 433, 1840. Kingston causeway, 3509.
Kingston penitentiary, 812, 2365, 2519, 2959, 4484-4504, 4512.
Militia parades, 2178.
Nav^l service, 5166.
O'Brien, A. H., superannuation of, 1950. Ottawa as the Capital, 1884.
Pilotage, 3631.
Potatoes, tariff on, 3078.
Printing Bureau, 4370.
Reciprocity with the United States, 1686. Transportation, 2979.
Unemployment, 4159.	'
Eganville post office, 353, 2545, 5219.
Election Act Amendment Bill, lr., 478. Election laws committee, 1118.
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Elections, general, resume of, 2995.
Electoral corruption, 344, 900.
Elevators, grain, 473, 572, 1216, 1646-1666.
Elliott, Mr. George A. (North Middlesex) Farmers Bank, 4919.
Elmira post office, 702.
Embroideries, tariff on, 3157.
Emmerson, Hon. H. R. (Westmorland)
Basic slag, 444, 511, 630, 2677; proposed amendment, 638.
Battlefields, preservation of, 3198.
Brantford public building, 878.
Budget, 2673 Tariff, 2674.
Basic slag, 2877.
Cut stone, 2679.	'
Protection, 2681.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 795.
Canadian Northern Railway terminals, 699, 2262.
Colpitts, G. A., case of, 446, 455.
Dorchester penitentiary, 441.
Franking privilege, 3224.
Fredericton and Grand Lake Coal and Railway Company, 3205.
Governor General, new, 3454.
Herring fishing, 2437.
Hudson, patrol boat, 2687.
Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 353.
Canadian Pacific Railway, traffic agreement with, 567, 596, 1534, 1691. Dismissals, 1017, 2962, 3508.
District No. 3, 1114.
Dorchester water supply, 1015.
Engineers, appointment of, 2176.
French river bridge, 362.
Halifax terminals, 1782.
Hampton station, 1691.
Harris, F., employment of, 2176.
Hay shipments, 922.
Killam, A. E., retirement of, 1724. Management, 3256; proposed amendment, 3264.
Moncton residence purchase, 893. Provident fund, 469.
Skeffington, detective, 921.
Suburban train receipts, 1015.
Survey staff, 2261.
Train service, 167, 258.
Wooden cars, 355.
Judges' salaries, 1929.
Maps, incorrect, 2902.
Maritime mail service, 166, 202.
Militia poster, 1536, 2082.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 1329, 2331.
Richibucto life-saving crew, 668.
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St. John and Quebec Railway, 2546, 2789, 3030.
Sackville public wharf, 568.
Stone, tariff on, 878, 3125.
Tariff, 3125.
Transatlantic mail service, 376.
Trent Valley Woollen Company, 2177.
Trust companies, 2907.
Volunteer bounty, 1398.
Westmorland harbours, 443.
Empress of Ireland
Loss of, 4433, 4552, 4555, 4628, 4716, 4879, 4894, 4954. See also 5069, 5230.
Court of investigation, 4887.
Esquimalt dry dock, 812, 1433.
Estimates. See titles of departments and subjects.
Ethier, Mr. Joseph A. C. (Two Mountains) Canning factories, 1605.
Intercolonial Railway, 4949.
Railway subsidies, 4971.
Ste. Scholastique postmaster dismissal, 3634, 3854.
Exhibitions, 359, 1684.
San Francisco, 359, 1686, 3254.
Experimental farms, 1135. 1140, 1148, 2372, 3487.
Explosives Regulation Bill. Res., 3587. lr„ 3588.	2r„ 3861. Com., 3862.	3r., 3895.
See also 1810, 1815.
Export Act Amendment Bill. Res., 971. lr., 975.	2r„ 1758. Com., 1758, 3463.	3r.,
3717.
Express franking privilege, 1018.
External Affairs, Department of, 355. Extradition cases. See Kelly.
Falardeau case, 455, 699.
Falmouth dyke, 1780.
False Creek Indian reserve. See Kitsilano. Farmers Bank Relief Bill. Res., 3517. lr., 3531.	2r., 4675, 4718, 4806. Com., 4894.
3r., 4929.
Amendment proposed:	Mr. A. K. Maclean,
4703; div., 4806.
See also 723, 1117, 3197, 3453.
Farnham camp, 1033, 1125, 1435.
Fatsari, G„ release of, 464, 1911.
Federal Life Assurance Company, 2435.
Fenian raid veterans, 284, 338, 349, 369, 440, 445, 473, 571, 925, 1022, 1604, 1693, 1783, 2080, 2085, 2787, 2962, 3362-3396, 3509, 3894, 4339.	[DOT]
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Finance Department estimates, 722.
Financial conditions, 18, 56, 62, 129, 169, 189. Financial Statement. See Budget.
Firearms, carrying of, 467.
Fish and fisheries Advisory board, 348, 702, 2398.
Boundary regulations, 1214.
Curing expert, 571.
Exhibits, 2430.
Hatcheries, 2431.
Herring, 2437.
Industry, 5275.
Lobster
Licenses, 815.
Regulations, 344, 5186.
Seed, 816.
Medical aid, 416.
Modus vivendi Licenses, 1692.
Violations, 1603.
New Brunswick claims, 2374.
Ontario jurisdiction, 1916.
Pickled fish. See that title; also, Fisheries Act Amendment Bills.
Protection service, 2429.
Reduction works, 1693, 2080, 2177.
Shellfish commission, 667,1361, 2418, 4022, 4294.
Smelt licenses, 2178, 2402.
Statistics, 1020, 1361, 2402, 5191. Transportation, 376, 894, 1114, 1215, 2403, 2937, 5069.
Fisheries Act Amendment Bills
Consolidation, lr., 793.	2r., 1164. Ref. to
select com., 1164. Com., 1793, 1820. 3r., 2384.
Inspection of pickled fish. Res., 3455. lr„ 3460.	2r., 3460. Com., 4435.	3r., 4437.
Fisher, Mr. J. H. (Brant)
Auto-Wheels, Limited, 1668.
Privilege, 3113.
Fletcher, Joshua, employment of, 351.
Food products, inspection of, 1672, 1678, 2370.
Forest reserves. See Dominion Forest Reserves and Parks.
Fortier, Mr. Edmond (LotbiniSre).
French translation, 2436.
Foster, Mr. Arthur DeWitt (Kings, N.S.) Canadian Northern Railway, 3983.
Cold storage, 3563, 5185.
Dismissals, 1182.
Immigration, 1152.
Natural resources, conservation of, 1811.
St. John Valley Railway, 3033.
Foster, Hon. George E. (Minister of Trade and Commerce)
Atlantic mail service, 5066.
Binder twine, 1608, 2913.
British postal rates, 3232.
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Budget, 2849.
Trade conditions, 2852. _
Flour industry, 2853.
Trade policies, 2856.
Free wheat, 2858.
Capital punishment, 490.
Census, 954.
China and Japan steamship subsidy, 5034. Commissioner of Commerce, 316.
Cost of living, 5377.
Fish transportation, 5069,
Grain
Act, administration of, 1646.
Bill, 3161, 3574.
Commission 1646.
Laboratory, 315.
High Commissioner's office, 5378.
Imperial Trade Commission, 927.
Mail subsidies, 2913.
National Transcontinental Railway, 4859. Ocean freight rates, 2926, 5043. Parliamentary procedure-Committee of Supply without question put, 521.
St. Lawrence rates, 977.
Seeds inspection Bill, 4167.
Steamship subventions, 2913,	2923-2947,
5034.
Strathcona, Lord, death of, 164.
Titles of honour, 480.
Trade and Commerce estimates, 315, 881, 927, 1646, 2913, 2923, 5034.
West Indies Cables, 955.
Steamship service, 956.
Trade Commissioner, 882.
Foundation Company, Ltd., 1876.
Fowler, Mr. George W. (Kings and Albert) Canadian Northern Railway, 4643.
Civil Service, 4449, 4451.
Fenian raid veterans, 3374.
Fisheries protection, 1795.
Hampton public building, 4189.
Judges' salaries, 1928, 3606.
Militia camp grounds, 5017.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2284.
St. John Valley Railway, 3884.
Yukon territory judge, 4022.
Franking privilege, 971, 1018, 3223.
Fraser, J. McL., fishery officer, 5030.
Fraser, W. E., fishery officer, 2405-2418. Fraserville Battery, 1021.
Drill hall. 360.
Harbour, 358, 441, 1604.
Fraudulent advertising. See Criminal Code Amendment Bill.
Fredericton
Experimental farm, 1135.
Mails, 2014.
Public works, 705.
Free wheat, 42, 133. 238, 260, 267, 271, 279, 282, 285, 288, 295, 297, 299, 301, 304, 2873, 2825, 2858. 2833, 2723, 2796 2746, 2889, 2816, 2810, 2804.
Amendment proposed: Sir Wilfrid Lau-rier, 2846, 2849; div., 2897.
Freight rates, 1914, 2196, 2687, 2971-2986,4327-4331, 4416-4425. See also Ocean. French
Translation, 1912, 2436.
Official documents in, 4434, 4523.
French river Dam, 1604.
Improvements, 2081.
Wharf, 1434.
French Canadian Senator for Ontario, 367.
Fripp, Mr. Alfred E. (Ottawa)
Civil Service, 4443, 5373.
Divorce bills, 4881.
Foundation Company, Ltd., 1879. Goldschmidt, R„ patent of, 2918.
House of Commons representation, 5311. Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2922.
Ottawa water supply, 1886.
Willson, T. L., patent of, 2918.
Frontenac rural mail, 813.
Fruit inspection, 1672, 1674.
Fuller, Mrs. M. E„ pension of, 4993.
Fundy, Bay of, navigation, 165.
Garland, Mr. W. F. (Carleton, Ont.)
Budget, 2783.
Gaspe
Public buildings, 4191.
Steamer service, 1433, 3058, 2437, 2939. Gauthier, Mr. Louis J. (St. Hyacinthe) Dismissals, 1392.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2264.
Gauvreau, Mr. Chas. A. (Temiscouata)
L'Assurance de Rimouski, 3894.
Cimon, E. H., payments to, 664. Fraserville Battery, 1021.
Drill hall, 360.
Harbour, 358, 441, 1604.
Excise officer, 1402.
Public building, 4196.
French Canadian senators, 367.
Government officials in politics, 1402, 2262. Inland Revenue officers, 1402.
Intercolonial Railway Dismissals, 370.
Ice contracts, 364, 2016.
Riviere du Loup facilities, 4°70 Investigations into political partisanship, 2262.
Isle Verte wharf, 360, 1604, 2264, 4712. Judges' salaries, 3621.
Liberator magazine, 3236.
National Transcontinental Railway, 4461, 4463.
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Harbour Commission,, 1604, 2263 Judges, 4807.
Rimouski
Customs, 2015.
Engineers, 2079.
Harbour, 2079, 2310.
Medical service, 2015.
20th Battery, 1361, 2263.
Gelinas, P. and R. Lajoie, employment of, 2688.
Geological Survey estimates, 1815.	.
Georgian Bay Canal, 352, 567, 1020, 1033, 1732, 2965-2987, 5231.
German, Mr. William M. (Welland)
Bounties on steel, 1523.
Brantford public building, 872.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3896, 4011, 4025, 4039, 4072.
Farmers Bank, 4895.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2118.
Naturalization, 4814.
Senate representation, 1493.
Union Life Insurance Company, 2374. Welland ship canal, 2965.
Giasson post office, 2177, 2688, 3848.
Gimli lake patent, 1359.
Girard, Mr. Joseph (Chicoutimi and Saguenay)
Agriculture, encouragement of, 1158. Quebec- Blanc Sablon steamship service, 2946.
Glass, Mr. S. Francis (East Middlesex) Immigration, 1636.
Glencurrie post office, 4561.
Gold and silver leaf, tariff on, 3133.
Government officials in politics, 423, 621, 706, 741, 1195, 1836-1870, 2308, 2405-2427.
Government Railways Claims Bill, lr., 1910.
2r., 2392. Com., 2392. 3r„ 3058. Government steamers
Canada, 3113.
Construction in Canada, 3878.
Gulnare, 668.
Gunhilde, 2688.
Hudson, patrol boat, 2687.
Repairs, 1332.
Winter service, 3055.
Governor General
Appointment of, 3454.
Departure of-address, 5275.
Graham, Hon. Geo. P. (South Renfrew) Calgary and Edmonton Railway, 801. Canada Temperance Act, 1760.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3252, 3800, 4010, 4038.
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Canadian Pacific Railway-Toronto-Sud-bury line, 1113.
Capital punishment, 493.
Chesley public building, 5231.
Conservation Commission, 721.
Eganville post office, 353, 2545, 5219. Farmers Bank, 4894.
Georgian Bay canal, 2969.
Good Roads Association, 2989.
Government officials in politics, 1836. Grand Trunk Pacific Arbitration, 360.
Bond guarantee, 4936.
Cost per mile, 923, 1328.
Harbour commissioners, Montreal and Quebec, 1434.
High Commissioner's office, 311, 1764. House of Commons
Debates, distribution of, 1775. Representation, 857.
Hudson Bay Railway, 692, 3112. Intercolonial Railway, management of, 3295.
Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2952.
Lancaster, Mr., indisposition of, 3204.
Loan flotations, 5032.
Matches, white phosphorus, 1538, 1756. Mines Department, appointments to, 1801. Morrisburg Mails, 1692.
Tin plate manufactory, 3130.
Naiional Transcontinental Railway, 1970, 1982, 2021, 2036 (amdt.), 4840.
Coaling plants, 3113.
Contracts drawbacks, 1329.
Eastern division, 1018.
Grade changes, 921.
Investigating commission, 879, 895, 1328, 1915.
Little Mistongo bridge, 573;
St. Malo
Shops, 360, 701, 1817.
Tunnel, 891.
Shops, 1018.
Transcona shops, 664.
Naturalization, uniform British, 1763. Naval service, 1914, 5159.
Old age pensions, 1353.
Ottawa and New York Railway Company, claim of, 2991.
Pas Mission bridge, 365.
Pembroke armoury, 5193 Petawawa camp lumber claim, 5022. Pilotage, 815.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1742.
Post office employees' salaries, 3220. Printing Bureau, 728, 734, 1774.
Quebec land purchases, 1434.
Radium ores, 1692, 1814.
Railway Act Amendment, 2947.
Railway crossings, 360.
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Rainy River Radial Railway Company, 2950.
St. John harbour, 1693.
Spirits and tobacco, 1392.
Steel barrels, manufacture of, 1534.
Tariff, 3157.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3204, 3270.
Transportation, 2971.
Trent Canal, 1817, 2789, 4162, 4945, 4996. Welland Canal, 2970, 2988, 5108.
Graham wharf, 443.
Grain
Act, administration of, 1646. Commissioners, 1646, 2376.
Elevators, 473, 572, 1216, 1646-1666. Inspection, 1117.
Laboratory, 315.
Sample markets, 2787.
Shipments, 472.
Transportation, 2975-2987.
See also Canadian grain.
Granby postal matters, 363, 697.
Grand Falis-St. John Railway, 365.
Grand Mere building, 2688.
Grand Rapids of the Athabaska, 1361.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway
Cost per mile, 923, 1328.
Estimates, 4161.
Winnipeg terminals. See, Winnpeg Terminals Bill.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Bills
Completion of prairie section, time extension. lr., 201. 2r. and 3r., 749. Guarantee of bonds. Res., 4831. lr., 4838. 2r., 4929. Com., 4929. 3r., 5034.
Grand Trunk Railway. See Toronto Terminals.
Granton and Abercrombie mails, 2686.
Grazing. See Homesteading.
Green, Mr. Robt. F. (Kootenay)
Divorce bills, procedure on, 4883.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 1299.
Grigg, trade commissioner, 2435.
Grosse Isle quarantine station, 5028.
Guthrie, Mr. Hugh (South Wellington) Agricultural implement duties, 1566. Armouries, 4576-4582.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4419, 4528. Farmers Bank, 3520.
Militia, 4576-4582.
Guthrie, Mr Hugh.-Con.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2312.
Post Office Act Amendment, 3242. Prudential Life of Canada, 3478.
Railway level crossings, 3958.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3204, 3271.
Trent canal investigation, 4975.
Guysborough
Branch railway, 4481.
Public wharfs, 355.
Guysborough-Heatherton mails, 1914.
Hagersville postmaster, 2686.
Halifax
Armouries, 704.
Dennis building, 5031.
Fortifications, 345.
Lightship, 3057.
Militia contracts, 3714.
Post office, 345.
Terminals, 1332. See also Intercolonial. Halifax county mail contracts, 925.
Hanna, Mr. A. E. (South Lanark)
Tariff, 3144.
Hansard. See House of Commons Debates. Hants county electoral lists, 817.
Hantsport
Public building, 1023.
Wharf, 4713.
Harbour Commissioners, 1434.
Harbours, federal control of, 2390.
Harbourvilte lightkeeper, 1434.
Hartt, Mr. Thomas A. (Charlotte, N.B.) Dismissals, 2427.
Haultain, Chief Justice, judgments of, 1265. Hay shipments, 922.
Hazen, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)
Atlantic mail service, 5048.
Biological Board, 2434.
Boundary fisheries, 1214.
Canada shipping, 1540, 3053, 3621. See also Shipping Act Amendments.
Collision an dsalvage at sea. See Shipping. Colpitts, Mr., case of, 451.
Dismissals, 762, 775, 1173.
Dry docks subsidies, 3964, 4097.
Empress of Ireland investigation, 4552, 4631, 4716, 4887.
Fish and fisheries
Act amendment, 793, 1164, 1793. 1820.
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Bulletin, 5189.
Lobster regulations, 5186.
Pickled, inspection of, 3455, 4635-4436. Protection service, 5176.
Transportation, 392, 401, 1215, 5185. Fishing disaster-appeal for government aid, 5182, 5195.
Fredericton experimental farm, 1138, 3487, 3491.
French, official documents in, 4434, 4523. Fundy, Bay of, navigation, 165. Government officials in politics, 1839. Hudson Bay terminals, 1207.
Hydrographic surveys, 5183.
Intercolonial Railway
Management, 3298, 5048.	'
Suburban trains, 1065.
Karluk, steamer, 4524, 4629.
Kelly, Wm. J„ case of, 1711.
Lake Erie buoy service, 2519.
Leblanc, seaman, burial of, 5179.
Marine and Fisheries estimates, 324-328, 402-421, 749-762, 775-787, 1164-1214, 23982434.
Merchant shipping. See Shipping.
Montreal Harbour
Commission, 3636, 3871, 4523, 4830. Harbourmaster. 5188.
Steamer berths, 5188.
Naval service, 326-336, 5146.
North Sydney Harbour Commission, 1539, 1791.
Pelagic sealing, 2372.
Pilotage, 985, 3625.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1740, 1748. Quebec
Harbour Commission, 3876.
Marine agency, 2996.
St. John, port of, 5048.
St. John Valley railway, .<011.
St. Lawrence route, accidents on, 3253, 3398. See also Shipping Casualties.
St. Lawrence ship channel. 976-991.
Safety of Life at Sea Convention, 787. Shipping Act amendments, 94, 743, 1786.
See also Canada Shipping.
Shipping Casualties investigations, 45524555, 4631. See a1 so St. Lawrence route. Vancouver Harbour Commission, 2175, 2388.
Heatherton Indian reserve, 573.
Hebb, L. J., amounts paid to, 21782
Henderson, Mr. David (Halton)
Brantford public building, 876.
Farmers Bank, 4778.
Federal Life Assurance Company, 2435. House of Commons blue books, 1776. Naturalization, 1763.
Public buildings, 4196, 4199.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 3276.
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High Commissioner's office, 311, 352, 1765, 3716, 5378.
Highways Improvement, 15, 23, 36, 48, 52, 55, 101, 116, 129, 147 152, 164, 177, 221, 259, 293.	*
Home Rule for Ireland
Carson, Sir Edward
Alleged cablegrams to, 2082, 2178. Presentation to, Mr. Cochrane's presence at, 1785.
Meeting at Toronto, 3573.
Picked men leaving Canada, 1903. Vancouver Orange Lodge resolutions, 2592, 2785.
Homesteads and Homesteading
Burns grazing lease, 2591.
Entries, 352, 570, 4368.
Land patents, 3113.
Payments, interest on, 1434.
Pre-emptions, Alberta, 357.
Regulations, 2311.
See also Dominion Lands.
Horse breeding, 472, 3493.
Horseflesh abattoirs, alleged, 3487.
House of Commons
Accommodation, need of increased, 4197. Ascension Day adjournment, 3895.
Ash Wedesday adjournment, 1061.
Business of the House, 1606, 3197. Committees, select standing, 253.
Debates
Distribution, 1775.
Lengthy answers to questions, insertion of, 1061.
Omissions, 477, 4887.
Translators, chief of, 1818, 5267, 5271. Deputy Speaker, office of. See that title. Easter adjournment, 2311.
Government business, precedence of, 1606. Indemnity to members, 817.
Library and reading room, hours of closing, 4214.
Loucks, H. H., employment of, 2439. Messengers, 568, 704.
Morning sittings, 2788, 3210, 3319,
Officials
Appointments, 94, 399, 2686, 2947, 4954. Investigation, report of, 442.
Salary increases, 2481.
Parliamentary Guide, 2373.
Post office, 399, 477.
Returns, questions regarding, 476,	878,
1607, 2364, 2377, 3860, 3893, 5956.
Rooms, use of, 2080.
Saturday sittings, 3784.
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Con.
Stationery, 1370.
Voters lists, 1774.
Wednesday sittings, 1264.
House of Commons Representation Bill, lr., 611.	2r., 842, 927. Ref. to select com.,
927. Rep., 1013. Com, 5230, 5306, 6364. 3r., 6364. See also 5, 35, 112, 123, 203, 707.
Hudson Bay
Fisheries, 347, 5186.
Railway, 364, 924, 4464-4470, 4474-4878. Contracts, 5030.
Mileage, 364.
Pas Misssion bridge, 365.
Right of way, 1434.
Terminals, 346, 568, 671, 3112, 1207.
Hughes, Hon. Sam. (Minister of Militia and Defence)
Armouries, 4583-4586, 5007.
Bands at political demonstrations, 5011. Canadians at Bisley, 514, 518, 1215.
Dorval military site, 1033.
Drill halls, 4583-4586, 5007.
Farnham camp, 1033, 1125.
Fenian raid veterans, 3363-3396, 4340-4367, 5000.
Militia
Annual drill, 4999.
Camp grounds, 5017.
Clothing, 5004.
Estimates, 336, 2363, 2370, 3399-3452, 4571-4620, 4990-5025.
Rifle ranges, 5008,
Militia poster, 1607, 2082.
Petawawa camp lumber claim, 5022. Privilege, 2083.
Religious processions and the Militia, 5003. Royal Military College, 5015.
Souris rifle range, 4571, 4594.
Trent canal investigation, 4990.
Volunteer bounty, 3363-3396, 4340-4367.
Hughes, Mr. James J. (Kings, P.E.I.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 99.
Highways improvement, 101.
Cost of living, 102.
Tariff, the, 103.
Militia expenditure, 104.
Agricultural Gazette, 1102, 1671. Agricultural implements, duties on, 1582. Basic slag, 638.
Carleton Head breakwater, 2178. Charlottetown-Crapaud mails, 3058. Dismissals, 1118.
Elmira post office, 702..
Fenian raid veterans, 440, 2085, 3363, 4360. Fish, pickled, inspection of, 4436.
French river wharf, 1434.
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Honorary colonels, 1605.
House of Commons
Debates, official report of: lengthy answers, 1061.
Library and reading room, closing of, 4214.
Representation, 707, 853.
Stationery, 1370.
Hudson Bay terminals, 691.
Intercolonial Railway Engineers, appointment of, 2176.
Freight cars, 568.
Little Sands breakwater, 445, 1605. Magdalen islands steamship service, 403. Militia officer commanding 6th Division, 1783.	'
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2214.
Naval service, 332.
Potatoes, tariff on, 3059, 3084.
Prince Edward Island Banks, 1781, 2543.
Dredges, 3058.
Freight rates, 1018.
Judges, 4887.
Public works, 4211.
Steam service, 2944.
Transportation, 399.
Railway, 308, 926, 4483.
Representation in House of Commons 707, 853.
Railway land grants, 5027.
Returns
Alleged incomplete, 476.
Inquiry for, 4296.
Rocky Point wharf, 3113, 3318.
Shellfish commission, 4022, 4294.
Souris rifle range, 1435, 1694, 1783, 4567. Strong, Heath, payments to, 1116.
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Inland Revenue receipts, 473.
Humboldt homestead inspector, 569.
Hydro-Electric lines, 3474 4716.
Ice-breaking, 402, 2962.
Immigration, 10, 139, 291, 299, 1152.
Asiatic, 350, 351, 808, 1220, 2639, 5026, 5037. Austrian, 896.
British Columbia, 2264.
Bulgarian and Russian, 4560.
Chinese Act, administration of, 5212. Deportations, 891, 1636.
Estimates, 1611, 4155.
European, 572.
Hindu, 4022, 4214, 4295, 4524, 4556, 4562, 4717, 4954, 5026.
Inspection, 1437, 1638.
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Immigration.-Con.
Regulations, 350.
Statistics, 351.
United States, 697.
Immigration Act (Asiatic exclusion) Amendment Bill, lr., 5026.
Imperial Trade Commission, 927.
Indian Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1817.	2r„
2394. Com., 2394, 3481, 3532. 3r., 3553, 3554. Senate amdts., 4830.
Indian Harbour Lakes postmaster, 3055. Indians
British Columbia, 2477, 5209.
Caughnawaga Hospital, 422.
Petition, 2394, 3481, 3533, 3537.
Estimates, 422, 2471, 2481, 5209.
Generally, 422, 2480.
Liquor selling to, 3207.
Medical attendants, Nova Scotia, 2474, 2840, 3208.
Northwest provinces and territories, 2478, 5209.
Nova Scotia, 2474-2477, 5209.
Ontario and Quebec, 2472-2474.
Industrial Disputes Act, 1022.
Inland Revenue estimates, 339, 1370-1395, 1400-1432, 2364.
Inspection and Sale Act Amendment Bills
Binder twine. Res., 1608. lr., 1611.	2r„
2913. Com., and 3r., 2913.
Foods, lr., 2261.	2r., 4167. Com., 4167.
3r., 4171.
Insurance, 1751, 3199.
Insurance Act Amendment Bill, lr., 1688.
Intercolonial Railway
Amos, R., dismissal of, 2962.
Antigonish bridge, 1016.
Appointments, 1113.
Responsibility for, 2956.
Block signals, 3318.
Brainch lines, 353, 1736, 3181„ 4938, 5110. Canadian Pacific Railway agreement, 567, 585-610, 1534, 1691, 3256-3316, 4099-4111, 5048-5062.
Car charges, 352.
Chatham Junction-Blackville branch, 4477. Claims, fire, 2959.
Coal tenders, 924, 1332, 1645, 1786, 1911, 2956, 3194, 3280.
Dean Settlement branch, 3318.
Dismissals, 5122.
District No. 3, loss on, 1114.
Dorchester water supply, 1015.
Double tracking, 4558.
Earnings, 2308.
Intercolonial Railway.-Con.
Employees' wages, 1016.
Estimates, 1959, 3178, 4165, 4860, 4938, 4947. Ferry employees, 1016.
Fish, rates on, 894, 1017.
Flour, rates on, 1021.
Freight cars, 568.
Freight rates, 921. See also Management. French River bridge, 362.
Grade reduction, 668.
Guysborough branch, 4481.
Halifax terminals, 1782, «t)l.
Hampton station, 1691.
Harris, F., employment of, 2176.
Ice contracts, 364, 2016.
Killam, A. E., retirement of, 1724.
King, S., employment of, 895.
Labourers' wages, 471.
Land valuators, 345.
L4vis, fire at, 5029.
Lumber purchase, 894.
Management, 1957, 3256, 3278.
Amendment proposed:	Mr. Emmerson,
3264; div., 3316.
Minimum rates, 1434, 1690, 2016.
Ministerial statement, 1959.
Moncton residence, purchase of, 893. 2786. News bulletin service, 1266.
Ocean Limited, 4630, 4888.
Oxford-Pictou train service, 895.
Pension fund, 469, 572, 5362.
Point Tupper ferry, 894, 3195.
Private cars, 1018.
Refrigerator cars, 1360, 1604.
Repair shops, 2957.
Ste. Louise improvements, 2013.
Sackville dismissals, 1017, 3508.
' Safety First ' engineer, 2262.
Sectionmen, 1015.
Skeffingtofi, Detective, 921.
Smith, R. H., employment of, 1690. Standard rules, 1693, 2957.
Station improvements, 2544.
Suburban trains, 1015, 1062, 4868.
Sunny Brae branch, 894.
Survey staff, 2261.
Tie contracts, 1331.
Tonnage, 3110.
Traffic agreement with Canadian Pacific Railway, 567. See also Canadian Pacific. Train service, 167, 258.
Water service, 2544.
Williams, T„ employment of, 895.
Wireless system, 1782.
Wooden cars, 355.
Interior Department estimates, 338, 1836, 2363, 2372, 4151.
International Expositions. See Exhibitions. International Horse Show, 2439.
International Purity Congress, 359, 3859. International Waterways, 164, 4962.
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lr., 1163.	2r., 1395. Com., 1396. 1483. Drill hall, 1331.
3r., 1483.	Public buildings, 1021.
Inverness
Fruit inspector, 1672.
Harbour, 1818.
Postal service, 815.
Public works, 354.
Investigations Into political partisanship, 2262, 2308.
Iron and steel industry, 665, 1498, 1802, 3040. Ores, treatment of, 1802.
Products, value of, 665.
Tariff, 3040.
Bands, 3153.
Bars, 3159.
Pigs, etc., 3133.
Structural, 3135, 3160.
Tubing, 3145.
See also Pig Iron.
Ironworkers, 1115.
Irrigation Act Amendment Bill.	lr., 2261.
2r., 3485. Com., 3485, 3596.	3r, 3717.
See also 4153.
Isle Verte wharf, 360, 1604, 2264, 4712.
Jallet, N., widow of, 1066.
Jameson, Mr. Clarence (Digby)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
By-elections, 95.
Cost of living, 96.
Naval defence, 98.
Dog-fish works, 2177.
House of Commons representation, 5322. Joliette buildings, 1023.
Joynson, Mrs. Alice, pension Bill. Res., 3460. lr., 3461.	2r., 3531. Com., 3531.	3r„
3532.
Judges Act Amendment Bills
Mr. Doherty: Res., 3602. lr., 3621.	2r.,
3886. Com., 3886.	3r„ 3956.
Mr. Lanctot: lr., 841.
Judges' salaries, 697,	1925-1944, 3602-3621,
3886-3890, 4807.
Judicial Committee of Privy Council. See
Privy Council.
Justice Department estimates, 342,	2365,
4521.
Jute, tariff on, 3153.
Juvenile Delinquents Act Amendment Bill.
lr., 3251.	2r., 3516. Com., 3516.	3r,
3517.
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Karluk, steamer, 352, 811, 2264, 4524, 4629.
Kay, Mr. William F. (Missisquoi)
Bedford public building, 2545.
Brome rural mails, 703.
Farnham camp, 1435.
St. Armand mails, 3208.
Kelly, W. J„ case of. 1696.
Kentville
Experimental farm, 1152.
Tuberculous cattle at, 4559.
Kingston
Causeway, 3509.
Penitentiary investigation, 571, 812, 2365, 2959, 4484-4522.
Kitsilano Indian reserve, 664, 922, 3547.
Knowles, Mr. William E. (Moosejaw) Advertising, fraudulent, 3470.
Agricultural implements
Duties on, 1548; amendment proposed, 1558; div., 1602.
Rebates, 1360.
Asiatic immigration, 1244.
Aurora Menace, 2310, 3236.
Butter, manufacture of, 3165.
Canada Temperance Act, 3589.
Customs duties, 5193.
Dominion lands, 3330, 3341, 3511.
Inspectors, 1845 Franking privilege, 3223.
Government officials in politics, 1378, 1401, 1841.
Grain Bill, 3576.
Grain elevators, 1666.
Homestead
Pre-emption payments, 1434. Regulations, 2311.
Hudson Bay Railway, 1434.
Terminals, 685.
Imports and exports, 1332.
Indian Act Amendment, 3484.
Inland Revenue estimates, 1378, 1404. Interior Department estimates, 1841-1870. Irrigation, 3486.
Lands unpatented, taxation of, 1923. McVeigh homestead entry, 2841.
Militia estimates, 3405.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1094.
Petroleum, export of, 974.
Pre-emption payments, 1434.
Ranching and grazing commission, 2543. Volunteer bounty, 1398.
Williams, Colonel, 3405, 3454.
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Bear River
Public building, 1893.
Wharf, 2013.
Bishop, A., employment of, 3208.
Cameron, A. J., employment of, 2960. Cheese weighing, 1678.
Civil Service Commission, 697.
Coasting privileges, 5196.
Commutation of death sentence, 3252. Customs
Appointments, 473.
Estimates, 963.
Dismissals, 763, 770, 963, 1009, 1179, 1190, 1376.
Divorce, 4884.
Dredge George McKenzie, 1780.
Farmers Bank, 5285.
Fenian raid veterans, 445, 3383, 4367.
Fish and Fisheries
Act Amendment, 1797, 1820.
Bulletin, 2402, 5192.
Lobster culture, 2432.
Transportation, 382, 2937.
Government officials in politics, 435, 1178. (House of Commons
Loucks, H. H., employment of, 2439. Messengers, 568.
Officials, 442.
Representation, 5324, 5344, 5359.
Hudson Bay terminals, 689.
Indians, Nova Scotia, 3208.
Intercolonial Railway Estimates, 3180.
Mines Road station, 2377.
Judges' salaries, 1929, 3620, 3887.
Letter boxes, 353.
Life-saving rewards, 419.
Marine estimates, 762, 770, 1164, 2402, 2432. Militia, 4605.
Militia, the Minister of, and Irish Home Rule, 1911, 3443.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2138.
O'Brien, A. H., superannuation of, 1946. Old age pensions, 1333.
Ottawa
Building leases, 2439,
Public works, 1878.
Postal service, 5266.
Public buildings, 1878, 1893.
Richmond county works, 571, 5229.
Royal Canadian Regiment Band, 3111, 3210, 3440.
St. Esprit lightkeeper, 473, 1170.
St. Peter's canal, 1020, 2903, 2963, 2995, 4480-4481.
St. Peter's and Sydney Railway, 4090, 4295, 4369.
Senate and the Farmers Bank, 5285. Shelburne fishery guardians, 2961.
Vincent, J. U., appointment of, 1410, 1427.
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Employment bureaus, 1818, 3892.
Estimates of Department, 339, 523-566, 649663, 5202.
Fair wages schedule, 357, 5202.
Hours on Public Works Bill, lr., 4. Immigration notices, 1617,
Industrial Disputes Investigation Act, 5206. Unemployment, 4156-4160.
Circular from Trades and Labour Council, 5032.
Montreal, in, 3716.
Vancouver Island troubles, 345, 523, 572, 649, 699, 4664-4674.
Amendment proposed:	Mr. Verville,
1267; div„ 1327.
Prisoner's death, 699.
Labrador coast, jurisdiction on, 2954-2956.
Lachance, Mr. Arthur (Quebec Centre)
(House of Commons representation, 5313. Lortie, Mr., appointment of, 5029.
National Transcontinental Railway Investigation, 2227.
Quebec terminals, 4846, 5096.
Privilege, 1784.
Quebec
Arsenal, 5028.
Harbourmaster, 5029.
Lachine canal, 2989.
Industries, 1913.
Works, 1782.
Lachine rapids dam, 2377, 2438.
Lafortune, Mr. David A. (Montcalm)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Highways improvement, 164, 167.
Naval defence, 168.
Financial conditions, lbs.
Tariff, 171.
Transportation, 171.
Agriculture, aid to, 171.
Redistribution of representation, 173, Manitoba schools, 175.
Agriculture, encouragement of, 1156. Capital punishment, 4519.
Civil Service superannuation, 5373.
Des Prairies river dredging, 1733.
French translation, 5274.
House of Commons representation, 5319. Inland Revenue officials, 1391, 1394.
Naval service, 334, 5169.
Postal service in Montcalm, 5256.
Public buildings in Montcalm, 5388.
La Have Islands mail service, 704.
Lake Erie buoy service, 2519.
Lalor, Mr. Frances R. (Haldimand)
Budget, 2826.
Tariff, 2827.
Free trade, 2829.
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Free food, 2831.
Free wheat, 2833.
Fenian raid veterans, 4341.
Fishery regulations, 1827.
Lamarche, Mr. Paul E. (Nicolet)
Explosives, regulation of, 3868.
Farmers Bank, 4798.
Georgian Bay canal, 1036, 1732.
Militia, 4616.
Lancaster, Mr. Edward A. (Lincoln and Niagara)
Alberta Central Railway Company, 1891. Burrard Inlet Tunnel and Bridge Company,
764.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company,
765.
Calgary and Fer'nie Railway Company, 1667.
Canadian Northern Railway Company, 1760.
Central Ontario Railway, 1892.
Canadian Pacific Railway Company, 769. Central Railway Company of Canada, 996. Central Western Canada Railway Company, 767.
Erie, London and Tillsonburg Railway Company, 995.
Esquimau and Nanaimo Railway Company, 995.
Grand Trunk Railway Company, 767. Joliette and Lake Manuan Colonization Railway Company, 994.
Kettle Valley Railway Company, 1892. Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2951.
Lachine, Jacques Cartier and Maisonneuve Railway Company, 767.
Lake Erie and Northern Railway Company, 1188.
London and Lake Erie Railway Company, 1891.
Manitoba and North Western Railway Company, 1891.
Norfolk and Elgin Railway Company, 1667. Ottawa and Ungava Railway Company, 992.
Ottawa Northern and Western Railway Company, 764.
Pacific, Peace River and Athabaska Railway Company, 992.
Pacific, Trans-Canada and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2948.
Peace River Tramway and Navigation Company, 995.
Prince Edward and Hastings Railway Company, 2949.
Rainy River Radial Railway Company, 2950.
Rio de Janeiro and San Paulo Telephone Company, 1892.
Saskatchewan Central Railway Company, 2956.
Lancaster, Mr. Edward A.-Con.
Thessalon and Northern Railway Company, 993.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3200.
Lanctot, Mr. Roch (Laprairie-Napierville) Agricultural implement duties, 15S*.
Banks and banking, 3894.
Budget, 2777.
Tariff, 2778.
Naval defence, 2780.
Highways Bill, 2781.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3988.
Farmers Bank, 723, 4774.
Judges Act Amendment, 841.
Judges' salaries, 1936, 3614.
Lachine bridge, 3111.
, Laprairie
Protecting wall, 920, 2688, 3055, 3715. Public buildings, 4712.
Naval service, 5174.
Pelletier, Hon. L. P., expenses of, 1117.
Land grants to railways, 1916, 5027.
Lands unpatented, taxation of, 1918.
Lapointe, Mr. Ernest (Kamouraska) Agriculture, aid to, 358, 2956.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3970. Dorchester County employees, 3638. Giasson post office, 2177.
Intercolonial Railway
Ste. Louise improvements, 2013.
Train service, 4939.
Kamouraska postal service, 347.
National Transcontinental Railway, 569, 4853.
Ste. PerpetuO station, 1913.
Naval service, 5165.
Ste. Anne
Experimental station, 360.
Wharf, 2078.
St. PerpetuS food inspector, 359.
St. Roch des Aulnaies excise officer, 360. Tremblay, A., employment of, 5194.
Lapointe, Mr. Louis A. (Montreal, St. James) Judges' salaries, 1940.
Laprairie
Protecting wall, 920, 2688, 3055, 3715.
Public buildings, 4712.
Larry's river harbourmaster, 2961.
L'Assomption
Revenue from tobacco, 2958.
Wharf, 2263.
Laurier, Rt. Hon. Sir Wilfrid (East Quebec) Address to H.R.H. the Governor General, 5276.
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Delay in meeting of Parliament, 12.
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Solicitor Generalship, 13.
National Transcontinental Railway, 14. Highways improvement, lo.
Naval defence, 16.
Financial conditions, 18.
Cost of living, 21; proposed amendment,
22.
Asiatic trade, 5035.
British Columbia, claims of, 359.
Budget, 2841.
Resources of Canada, 2843.
Tariff, 2845.
Free wheat, 2846; proposed amendment, 2849.
Canadian Northern Railway, 1264, 3672, 4010, 4026, 4056, 4225-4282, 4298-4331, 4378, 4526-4528, 4631.
Capital planning commission, 5197.
Cavalry remounts, 2546, 2789.
Civil Service, competitive examinations for, 1370.
Colpitts, G. A., case of, 453. Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1444. Cost of living, 5377.
Customs officials, 401.
Deputy Speaker, office of, 1362, 1368. Divorce, 840.
Divorce bills, procedure on, 4881.
Electoral corruption, 915.
Empress of Ireland investigation, 4553, 4716.
Falardeau case, 462.
Farmers Bank, 3524.
Freight rates, 944.
Georgian Bay canal, 1033.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway bond guar-*	antee, 4834.
High Commissioner's office, 313, 5378. House of Commons
Business of the House, 3198.
Debates, French translators of, 5271. Morning sittings, 2788, 3210, 3319. Representation, 843, 927, 5308, 5313. Saturday sittings, 3784.
Immigration, Hindu, 4565.
Imperial Trade Commission, 929, 944. International Purity Congress, 359.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 1300.
Labrador coast, jurisdiction on. 2954. Matches, white phosphorus, 1538.
Militia and religious processions, 5375. Monk, Hon. F. D., death of, 3786.
Mounted police, 708, 4964.
National Transcontinental Railway Completion, 4456.
Investigation, 2340.
Management, 5084.
Quebec terminals, 4839, 4969. Naturalization, 4127, 4144, 4174, 4827. Natural resources, provincial control of, 1077.
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Naval service, 328, 5146, 5160.
Navigable waters, pollution of, 1744. Newfoundland shipping disaster, 2995. Parliamentary procedure Answers of length, 1062.
Privilege, basing on newspaper statements, 1119.
Returns, private papers in, 4959.
Supply, Committee of, without question put, 307, 512, 521.
Thursday sittings, Government precedence in, 696.
Petroleum, export of, 973, 3464.
Pig iron, drawback on, 3213.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1744.
Quebec Battlefields Commission, 3890, 4114. Railway level crossings, 3957.
St. John Valley Railway bridges, 3959. Safety of Life at Sea Convention, 792. Senate Employees Bill, 4711.
Senate representation, 1483, 3515, 5280, 5297.
Shipping casualties investigations, 4553, 4716.
Strathcona, Lord, death of, 92.
Tariff, 4431.
Titles of honour, 481.
Transportation, 2978.
Trust companies, 1128, 2905.
Volunteer bounty, 1398.
Lauzon, postmaster, 5029.
Lavallee, Mr. J. O. (Bellechasse)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Agriculture, encouragement of, 8. Reciprocity with the United States, 9. Immigration, 10.
Law, Mr. Bowman B. (Yarmouth)
Arcadia rural mails, 701.
Bear River public building, 1894.
Canada, dredge, 811.
Cobequld, wreck of the, 358, 403, 1166. Fenian raid veterans, 284, 1693, 1783, 3371. Fish and fisheries Bulletins, 2403.
Protection, 1798.
Transportation, 383.
Fruit inspection, 1675.
Government steamers, headquarters of, 403.
Gulnare, steamer, 668.
Lurcher, lightship, 368.
Marine supplies, purchase of, 1203.
Military works, expenditure on, 816.
Port Maitland and Lower Argyle post offices, 1913.
Privilege, 343.
Seed lobsters, 816, 2431.
Shelburne county works, 1330.
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Submarine bell floats, 668.
West Indies trade, 962.
Yarmouth
Customs officers, 968.
Harbour, 1015, 2309.
Light, 1166.
Live stock purchases, 665, 2308.
North post office, 816.
Public buildings, need of, 1894, 1908. Rural mail, 570.
Le Blanc, Seaman, 667, 815.
Lemieux, Hon. R., trips of, 698.
Lemieux, Hon. Rodolphe (Rouville)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Trade conditions, 183.
Transportation, 185.
Civil Service reform, 186.
Redistribution of representation, 187. Cost of living, 188, 190.
Unemployment, 189.
Financial conditions, 189.
United Shoe Machinery Company, 193. Naval defence, 195.
By-elections, 199.
Advertising, fraudulent, 3466.
Agriculture
Disbursement of funds in Quebec, 1162. Estimates, 1107, 1133, 1162, 1683.
Gazette, 1107.
Apple growing, 1133.
Archives, 720, 727, 740, 1769.
Armstrong, J. H., 2179.
Atlantic mail service, 94, 1645, 5030, 5063. Baie St. Paul mails, 1819, 1914, 3059, 4368. Bank failures, 3208, 3199, 3522.
Boy scouts, 4131.
Budget, 2574.
Fiscal policies, 2575.
Imperial conferences, 2578.
Cost of living, 2580.
Militia expenditures, 2582.
Tariff, 2585.
Naval defence, 2587.
Free trade, 2588.
Peace centenary, 2590.
Cable rates, 5246.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3991, 4015, 4325, 4525, 4526.
Canadian Pacific Railway office in Austria, 896.
Canals, 5109.
Cap aux Corbeaux wharf, 4293.
Cattle inspection, 759.
Cheese industry, 1683.
Civil Service, 4441, 4448, 4449..
Insurance, 1872.
Superannuation, 5372.
Coal royalties, 1809.
Cold storage, 1752.
Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1444, 4961.
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Criminal Code revision, 3058.
Dentistry congress, 2957.
Dismissals
Faucher, E., painter, 1784.
Leslie, W. C„ 369.
Divorce, 828, 1118.
Dry docks subsidies, 3962.
Dub6, Phileas, employment of, 2010. Electoral corruption, 344.
Exhibitions, international, 359, 1684. Explosives, regulation of, 3587, 3862.
Fabre, Madame Hector, case of, 4965. Falardeau case, 455, 463, 699.
Farmers Bank, 3522, 4748.
Fatsari case, 464, 1911.
Fishing disaster-appeal for Government aid, 5195, 5182.
Franking privilege, 971.
French, official documents in, 401, 427, 4434.
Gasp 6
Fishermen, loss of, 5181.
Public building, 4191.
Railway communication, 3181, 5121. Georgian Bay canal, 352, 1020, 2965. Giasson post office, 2688.
Hagersville postmaster, 2686.
Halifax lightship, 3057.
Heron Island dam, 2377, 2438.
High Commissioner's office, 352, 1766.
House of Commons Debates, 1778.
French translation, 732, 5267, 5271.
Post office, 399.
Representation, 5321.
Voters' lists, 1774,5267.
Immigration, 4156, 4214.
Bulgarian and Russian, 4560.
French, 1630.
Oriental, 808, 1225.
United States, 697.
Indians
Caughnawaga Hospital, 422.
Petition, 2394, 3481, 3533, 3537.
Liquor sold to, 3207.
Intercolonial Railway wireless system, 1782.
James Bay harbour, 1208,
Judges' salaries, 697, 1925, 1933.
Judicial Committee of the Privy Council 1952.
Juvenile delinquents, 3517.
King's Printer, appointment of, 727, 737. Lapointe, E., and Post Office Department, 900.
LSvis quarantine station, 1108.
Little River East breakwater, 354.
Lobster fishing, 344.
Lumley post office, 1818.
Magdalen Islands steamer service, 408, 757. Mail bag locks, 473.
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Marine
Estimates, 405-421, 753- (62.
Tenders for supplies, 412.
Matches, white phosphorus, 1538.
Metric system, 1753.
Militia, 4588-4592.
Land purchase, 1025.
Processions, 5002.
Monk, Hon. F. D„ death of, 3787.
Montreal
Carslake Hotel purchase, 1871, 2079, 2436, 2962, 3318, 4192.
Harbour
Berths, 2546.
Commission, 3869.
Postal station. See Carslake Hotel. Unemployment in, 3716, 4156.
National Transcontinental Railway Expropriation cases, 699.
Montreal connection, 816, 5127.
Quebec terminals, 4845, 4973.
St. Malo shops, 1535, 4845.
Train service, 1691, 2437.
Naturalization, 4176, 4533.
Naval service, 5152.
Navigation
Great Lakes, 349.
Schools of, 753.
Oka postmistress, 3460, 3505, 3532.
Ontario Equipment Company, 699.
Ottawa
Elevators in Government buildings, 4198. Federal district, proposed, 1889.
Perley, Hon. G. H„ trip to London of, 4631. Petroleum, export of, 1759.
Pilotage, 3621.
. Post office
Employees' salaries, 2379, 3222.
Estimates, 2364, 3639.
Mail bag locks, 354.
Money by mail, 3222.
Parcel post, 350, 5246.
Postage on English magazines, 2312, 3226.
Railway mail clerks, 2381, 5360.
Rural mail service, 376, 5245.
Savings banks, 5199.
Transatlantic mail service, 94, 1645, 5030, 5063.
Poulsen wireless, 2687.
Printing Bureau, 727-737.
Prison reform, 4518.
Privilege, 704.
Privy Council, Judicial Committee of, 1952. Public buildings, 1882, 4191, 5213.
Quebec
Battlefields Commission, 720, 3891, 4117. Bridge strike, 5030.
Harbour Commission, 3877.
Harbour plant, 2788, 3055, 3398. Quarantine officials, 354.
Terminals, 4845, 4973.
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, 4557.
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Quebec-L6vis mails, 2263.
Railway freight rates, 2687.
Royal Society of Canada, 350, 720, 5267.
Ste. Adelaide de Pabos breakwater, 5213.
Ste. Anne des Monts wharf, 2687.
St. Jerome wharf, 3113.
St. Lawrence route, accidents on, 3253.
St. Lawrence ship channel, 976.
Slack, W. F., dismissal of, 921.
Tadousac wharf, 2309.
Telescope for observatory, 344.
Tobacco culture, 5200.
Unemployment in Montreal, 3716, 4156. Valcartier artillery camp, 924.
Vancouver Island labour troubles, 699. Victoria Memorial Museum, 1882.
Vineberg, Helen, divorce bill, 4880.
Wireless telegraphy, 349, 5183.
Lennoxville experimental farm, 1534, 2015.
Le Present printing contracts, 1534.
Lesperance, Mr. David O. (Montmagny) Naval service, 201.
Privilege, 126.
Levis
Carrier machine shops, 1819, 2961. Quarantine station, 1108, 1218.
Levis county
Experimental farm, 369.
Rural mail.
Lewis, Mr. E. N. (West Huron)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Shipping disasters, 136.
Transportation, 137.
Banks and banking, 138.
Naval defence, 139.
Immigration, 139.
Liberator magazine, 3236.
Library of Parliament, 1780.
Little River East breakwater, 354.
Little Sands breakwater, 445, 1605.
Live stock
Industry, 3487, 3493, 3501.
Purchases, 470, 665, 2308.
Pure-bred, distribution of, 701.
See also Animals and Cattle Inspection.
Loan Companies Bill, lr., 970.	2r., 1128.
Com., 2913.	3r., 2963. Senate amdts.,
4717.
Loan flotations, 5032, 5106.
Lobsters. See Fish.
Loggie, Mr. W. S. (Northumberland, N.B.) Chain, tariff on, 3138.
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Dressed stone, tariff on. 3119,
Fish
Commission, 2413.
Markets for, 2404.
Intercolonial Railway, branch lines, 4478, 4877, 5111.
Nails, tariff on, 3145, 4335.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2256.
Potatoes, tariff on, 3044, 3052 (amdt.) Longhurst, G., payments to, 925.
Lortie, Mr., weights inspector, 5029.
Lotteries, 2911, 3467.
Lower Argyle post office, 1913.
Lumley post office, 1818.
Lunenburg
Breakwater, 3509.
Fishery guardians, 3715.
Mails, 2788.
Lurcher, lightship, 368.
Macdonald, Mr. Edward M. (Pictou)
Alert, steamer, 425, 474, 669.
Brantford public building, 874.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 796, 800.
Canadian Northern Railway, 1361, 3508, 3818, 3828 (amdt.), 3833, 4009, 4026, 4032, 4050, 4230-4291, 4307-4334, 4384, 4660.
Canadians at Bisley, 512, 1215.
Currie, R„ witness, 1005, 1361, 1603. Dismissals, 783.
Dredges, 5363.
Canada, 1218.
East River improvements, 811.
Falmouth dyke, 1780.
Fenian raid veterans, 440, 1022, 3365, 4344. Ferrona-Sunny Brae Railway, 669.
Fisheries protection, 1820.
Granton rural mails, 2686.
Hants county electoral lists, 817.
Hantsport
Building, 1023.
Wharf, 4713.
Horse breeding, 3498.
House of Commons representation, 619, 848, 5307, 5324, 5356, 5359 (amdt.) Hudson Bay terminals, 4878.
Ice-breaker, contract for, 2962.
Intercolonial Railway Coal contracts, 438, 924, 1332, 1645 1786 2956, 3192.
Earnings, 2308.
Fire claims, 2959.
Management, 438, 3269, 3278.
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New Glasgow and Sydney connections, 3192.
Oxford-Pictou line, 895, 3192.
Pictou bridge, 3193.
Provident fund, 572, 5362.
Refrigerator cars, 1604.
Repair shops, 2957.
Right of way, 3192.
Traffic agreement with Canadian Pacific Railway, 608.
Judges' salaries, 3615, 3888.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 552, 1318.
Labrador coast line, 2953.
Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2922, 2953.
Lightkeepers, age limit, 1177. Meadowville-Toney Mills mails, 1603. Militia camp supplies, 2840.
Musquodoboit mails, 1817.
National Transcontinental Railway Coaling plants, 2787.
Commission Act Amendment, 4856. Investigation, 2268.
Naturalization, 2312, 4128, 4808.
Naval College, Halifax, 3254 New Glasgow armoury, 102.
Newfoundland Fishing disaster. 2916.
Steamship service, 2916.
Niobe crew, 1023.
Nova Scotia water lots, 1022.
Old age pensions, 1347.
Ottawa
Building leases, 2519.
Capital, as the, 1882, 1888.
Water supply, 1331.
Pictou
Bridge, 3193, 5363.
Mails, 572, 1699, 1819, 1913.
Post offices, 1022.
Public building, 809.
Rural mail, 924. 1023.
Pig iron, drawback on, 3212.
Preventive officers' reports, 1423.
Prince Edward Island winter service, 701. Private Bill legislation, 993.
Pure-bred stock, 701.
Returns, alleged incomplete, 2364.
Royal Canadian Regimental Band, 3317. Senate representation, 5303.
Skinner's Cove public works, 809.
Smelt fishing licenses, 2178.
Steel industry, 665, 1530.
Tatamagouche rural mails, 3208.
Technical education, 3054. 4888.
Thorburn railway communication, 701. Transportation, 2985.
Vancouver leased buildings, 2957.
Vincent, J. U., appointment of, 1406. Vineberg, Helen, diverce bill, 4670.
Weir's Mill fishway, 1820.
West Branch mail service, 924.
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Windsor fish hatchery, 1535.
Young, Angus, customs officer, 669.
Macdonell, Mr. A. C. (Toronto South) Privilege, 3160.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 3270, 3476.
Maclean, Mr. Alexander K. (Halifax)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 50.
Highways improvement, 52, 55.
Tariff, 53.
Senate reform, 54.
Election laws, 54.
Financial conditions, 56 Aldershot camp, 1435.	__
Annapolis county mails, 345.
Basic slag, 647.
Boar's Head fog alarm, 2787.
British Columbia claims, ao9.
Budget, 2471, 2482.
Revenue and expenditure, 2482.
Trade, 2485.
Fenian raid bounties, 2487.
Election promises, 2489.
Agricultural implements, 2491.
Free wheat, 2492.
Tariff on food products, 2497.
Canadian Northern Railway, 345,	4025,
4333.
Canadian Pacific Railway labour award, 2961.
Canning public building, 1899, 4183. Capital expenditure, 1914.
Civil Service, 4447.
Coke, tariff on, 3137.
Coldbrook postmaster, 1690.
Dismissals, 965, 1435.
East Jeddore dredging, 925.
Electoral corruption, 900.
Farmers Bank, 3520, 4693 (am It.), 4i0 , 4902.
Fenian raid veterans, 446, 4342.
Fielding, P., employment of,
Fisheries
Advisory board, 348, 2413.
Salt fish shipments to Portugal, 889. Government officials in politics, 434. Government steamers
Maintenance and repairs, 405, 411. Winter service, 3055.	,
Halifax
Armouries, 704.
County mails, 925.
Dennis building, 5031.
Fortifications, 345.
Militia contracts, 3714.
Post office, 345.
Harbourville light, 1434.
Hebb, L. J., expenses of, 2178.
High Commissioner's office, 313.
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House of Commons, accommodation in, 4198.
Hudson Bay Fisheries, 347.
Terminals, 346, 671, 4466.
Indians, Nova Scotia, 2840.
Intercolonial Railway Block signals, 3318.
Dartmouth-Dean branch, 4860.
Land valuators, 345.
Suburban trains, 1062.
Kentville, tuberculous cattle at 4559.
La Have Islands mails, 704.
Longhurst, G., payments to, 925.
Lunenburg
Breakwaters, 3509.	[DOT]
Fishery guardians, 3715,.
Mails, 2788.
Mortgage Corporation of Nova Scotia, 1416. Naval service, 326, 346.
Navigation, schools of, 751.
North Shore mail service, 573.
Patronage system, 415.
Public buildings, 1906, 4196.
Senate representation, 1489.
Shelburne county fisheries, 349.
Steamship subsidies, 5041.
Tariff, 3042, 4335; proposed amendment, 4426.
Transatlantic mail service, 577, 5042, 5043. West Indies
Flour trade, 885.
Steamship service, 439, 957.
Trade commissioner, 440, 882.
Maclean, Mr. William F. (South York, O.) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Parcel post, 237.
Free wheat, 238, 297.
Railway conditions, 241.
Banks and banking, 243.
Cost of living, 245.
Naval defence, 247.
Immigration, 299.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3974, 4304, 4404, 4421.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1482. Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1454. Federal laws, enforcement of, 1482.
Freight rates, 1608. See also Ocean.
High Commissioner's office, 1768.
House of Commons representation, 856,
'	5310.
Intercolonial Railway-Canadian Pacific Railway traffic agreement, 602.
Ocean freight rates, 931, 945.
Ottawa as the Capital, 1883.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1746, Senate, 1495, 5282, 5291, 5298.
Suburban train services, 1066.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway, 3274.
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free wheat, 285.
Agricultural implement duties, 1578. Homestead entry, 4368.
Melville post office, 3111, 3398, 3638, 5240. Wishart, A., sentence of, 4367.
McCoig, Mr. Archibald B. (West Kent, O.) Budget, 2597.
Agricultural implements, 2597.
Tobacco culture, 2600.
Free wheat, 2602.
Cavalry remounts, 2602.
Railway subsidies, 2603.
Hydro-electric lines, 4716.
Tariff, 3142,
Tobacco culture, 1374, 2600.
McCraney, Mr. Geo. E. (Saskatoon)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech-free wheat, 279.
Agricultural implement duties, 1581.
Grain markets, 1661.
House of Commons representation, 5309. Lands unpatented, 1918.
National monuments and land marks, 720. Natural resources, provincial control of, 1084.
Naval service, 335.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1606. Rosthern
Customs collector, 573.
Lands agent, 573.
Trade and Commerce bulletin, 474. Volunteer bounty, 1400.
McCrea, Mr. Francis N. (Sherbrooke) Canadian Northern Railway, 3972.
Farmers Bank, 4925.
Freight rates, 953.
Militia, 3422.
National Transcontinental Railway, 4454. Sherbrooke
Agriculture, 5027, 5201.
Automobiles, 5130, 5262.
Buildings leased, 3317, 3894.
Drill hall and post office, 2959, 3111, 3509, 4368.
McCurdy, Mr. F. B. (Shelburne and Queens) Advertising, fraudulent, 4215.
Fast Atlantic service, 5046, 5057.
Fenian raid veterans, 4345.
Fish transportation, 389, 5069.
Hudson Bay Railway, 4467.
Judges' salaries, 3611.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2243.
McFadden, D. H., employment of, 663.
McKay, Mr. James (Prince Albert) Advertising, fraudulent, 3472.
Dismissals, 1004.
McKay, Mr. James.-Con.
Dominion lands, 3351.
Forest reserves, 3557.
(House of Commons representation, 5360. Northern Territorial Railway Company, 2175.
University of Emmanuel College, 2398.
McKenzie, Mr. D. D. (North Cape Breton) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Trade policies, 216. Solicitor-Generalship, 219.
Highways improvement, 221.
Agriculture, aid to, 225. '
Tariff, 226.
Transportation, 227.
Advertising, fraudulent, 3471.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4278, 4546. Cap Rouge wharf, 5243.
Civil Service, 1874, 4441.
Dismissals, 1186.
Drill halls, 4183, 4204.
Duchemin, Mr., legal expenses of, 5238. Excise officers, 1400.
Farmers Bank, 4706, 4790.
Fenian raid veterans, 1022, 13,99	3394
4363.
Fish and fisheries Bulletin, 5192.
Lobster regulations, 5188.
Overseers, 2405, 2416.
Pickled, inspection of, 4435.
Protection, 1798, 1820, 1829.
Fort Cumberland restoration, 1901. Government Railways Claims Act, 2394. Harbours, federal control of, 2392.
Hudson Bay Railway, 4468, 4474, 4879. Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 1736.
Cape Breton improvements, 3195, 5122. Dismissals, 5122.
Judges' salaries, 1931, 1944, 3609, 3889. Legal expenses, 4160.
Matches, manufacture of, 1757,
Metric system, 1754.
Militia bands, 5011.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2292.
Naturalization, 4145, 4544, 4811.
North Sydney
Harbour commission, 1540, 1791.
Public buildings, 1907.
Pig iron industry, 3219.
Pilotage, 3630.
St. John Valley Railway bridges, 3882.
St. Peter's canal, 2963, 4481.
Shipping Act Amendment, 1788.
Sydney Mines public building, 1707. Technical education, 5206.
Telegraph service in Victoria county 1359 4185, 5237.
Trust companies, 1129.
Victoria county steamship service, 5071.
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Cold storage, 3563.
Confederation, semi-centennial of, 1451. Fenian raid veterans, 3365, 4357.
Fish transportation, 385.	_
House of Commons representation, 859, 5359.
Judges' salaries, 3607.
Newfoundland, steamship service to, 2924. Potatoes, tariff on, 3087.
Senate representation, 5285, 5299, 5306. Shipping casualties, 4554.
Southport fish hatchery, 3112.
Stone, tariff on, 3128.
McLean, Mr. H. H. (Sunbury and Queens) North Sydney Harbour Commission, 1793. Shipping Act Amendment, 1787.
McLeod, Mr. Harry F. (York, N.B.)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Prosperity of Canada, 5.
Redistribution of representation, 5. Agriculture, encouragement of, 6.
Naval defence, 7.
Divorce, 4886.
St. John Valley Railway, 3022.
Southampton Railway Company, 1471.
McMillan, Mr. John A. (Glengarry)
Fenian raid veterans, 3373.
McPherson, C., postmaster, 2787.
McVeigh, H. B., homestead entry of, 2841.
Madoc bank failure, 3199.
Magdalen Islands mail service, 344.
Mail Bag Locks. See Post Office.
Mail Clerks. See Civil Service.
Maisonneuve postal station, 441.
Manitoba
School lands, 2786.
Schools, 367.
Map, Interior Department, error in, 2902.
Maple Leaf steamship line, 4294.
Marble, tariff on, 3115.
Marcil, Hon. Charles (Bonaventure) Agriculture, 1676, 1683, 3487.
Atlantic, Quebec and Western Railway, 892. Avignon post office, 818.
Baie des Chaleurs Railway, 358.
Black Cape post office, 703, 2178. Bonaventure-
Agriculture in, 1676.
Experimental farm, 357.
Indians, 2471, 2544, 3534, 3541.
Inland revenue officers, 1424.
Mails, 1692.
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Public works, 892, 1360.
Budget, 2755.
Cost of living, 2756, 2764.
Development of Canada, 2757. Transportation, 2758.
Intercolonial Railway branch lines. 2761. GaspO peninsula, 2765.
Good roads, 2767.
Fishing industry, 2769.
Butter, manufacture of, 3171.
Carleton Centre mails, 1818, 4021.
Dismissals, 1171, 1202, 4435.
Duthie Point lighthouse, 703.
Elections, resumfi of, 2995.
Fenian raid veterans, 4344, 4370.
French
Official documents In, 732, 4434. Translators, 1912.
Gaspfi
Agriculture, 1677.
Petroleum deposit, 3465.
Steamer service, 1433, 2437, 2939, 3058. Horseflesh abattoirs, alleged, 3487. Intercolonial Railway Appointments, 2956.
Branch lines, 353, 2761, 5120.
News service, 1266.
Station improvements, 2544.
Water service, 2544.
Jallet, N., widow of, 1066.
Judges' salaries, 3619.
Lotteries, 2911, 3467.
Manitoba schools, 367.
Militia and religious processions, 5375. Navigation, schools of, 750.
New Richmond
Freght shed, 2437.
Lightkeeper, dismissal of, 2439.
Mails, 1692, 2178, 3058.
News service on Government railways, 1266.
Petroleum deposits, 3465.
Port Daniel lobster hatchery, 2519, 3318. Printing Bureau, 732.
Quebec assistant weights and measures inspector, 3318.
Robitaille postmaster, 3058.
Ste. Anne de Restigouche dredging, 3112. Saturnia, accident to, 3399.
Senate representation, 1497.
Shigawake rural mails, 1692.
Sorel shipyard, 986.
Tide Head salmon pound, 1692.
Marcile, Mr. Joseph E. (Bagot)
Acton Vale mails, 700.
Bagot county rural mails, 1694.
Margaree Harbour, 354.
Marine and Fisheries Estimates, 324, 402-421, 749-764, 967-991, 1164-1214, 2398-2434.
Marine hospitals, 1213.
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Marriage laws, 444
Martin, Mr. Mederic (Montreal, St. Marys) Estimates, printing of, in French, 403. Unemployment in Montreal, 4156.
Martin, Mr. William M. (Regina)
Judges' salaries, 3613.
Maple Leaf Steamship Line, 4294. Naturalization, 4129.
Matches, White Phosphorus, Prohibition
Bill. Res., 1536. lr., 1539.	2r., 1756.
Com., 1756., 1756.	3r„ 1758.
Meadowville-Toney Mills mails, 1603.
Meat inspection, 2370. See aJso Food.
Megantic public building, 2960.
Meighen, Hon. Arthur (Solicitor General) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free food, 152.
^Highways Bill and the Senate, 152. Agricultural implement duties, 1589. Campbell, Glen, 1863.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3682, 40094019-4079, 4217-4292, 4297-4334, 4381, 4526-4529, 4546-4551, 4649.
Co-operative Credit Societies, 3637. National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2085.
Privilege, question of, basing on newspaper statements, 1121.
Prudential Life of Canada, 2901.
Melville post office, 3111, 3398, 3638, 5240.
Menace newspaper. See Aurora Menace.
Menard, G„ dismissal of, 2689.
Merchants and Employers Accident Guarantee Company Bill, lr., 1870. 2r., 3512. Com., 3512.	3r., 3513.
Merchant Shipping Amendment Bill, lr., 94. 2r„ 743. Com., 1786.	3r., 1819. See'also
Canada Shipping.
Merner, Mr. J. J. (South Huron)
Farmers Bank, 4800.
Metcalfe drill hall, 667.
Metric system. See Weights and Measures. Mica schist, tariff on, 3110.
Michaud, Mr. Pius. (Victoria, N.B.) Edmundston
Immigration office, 704, 1619.
Public building, need of, 1898.
Fenian raid veterans, 440, 473, 1693. Government officials in politics, 1841. Grand Falls-St. John Railway, 365.
Imports from United States, 1117. Intercolonial Railway private car, 1018. National Transcontinental Railway, 2161, 4455.
New Brunswick schools, 955.
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, 4022.
St. John Valley Railway, 3020, 3881, 4023. St. Leonards immigration agent, 569. Tobique Indian reserve, 1218.
Middlebro, Mr. William S. (North Grey) Debt of Canada, 1116.
Dry docks, 4093.
National Transcontinental Railway Cost, 1536.
Investigation, 2036.
Militia
Armouries, 2786, 4576, 5007,
Automobiles, 813, 2081.
Bands in political demonstrations, 2178, 3111, 3210, 3317, 4340, 5002, 5010.
Boat contracts, 2591.
Camp areas, 5017.
Camp supplies, 2840.
Canteens, 2734.
Cavalry remounts, 2546, 2602, 2789.
Dorval camp, 1025.
Drill halls, 2786, 4576, 5007.
Employees in department, 813.
Estimates, 336, 2363, 2370, 3199, 3399-3452,
- 4567, 4999, 5269.
Amendment proposed:	Mr. Proulx,
5270.
Expenditures, 2309.
Honorary colonels, 1605.
Minister of, and Sir Ian Hamilton, 441. Minister of, and Ulster, 1903.
Minister of, in Europe, 444.
Motor boats, 705.
Officer commanding 6th division, 1783. Pembroke Lumber Company, claim of, 5022.
Petawawa Camp, detective service, 815. Poster, 1536, 1607, 2082.
Private car repairs, 813.
Queenston Heights picnic, 441.
Religious processions, Militia in, 2178, 5002, 5375.
Rifle ranges, 5008.
Sham battles, 814.
Special train, 814.
Works, expenditure on, 816.
Mines Department estimates, 1801.
Molloy, Mr. John P. (Provencher)
Address in reply to Governor General': Speech-free wheat, 283.
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Canham, J. E., land agent, 1867. MeFadden, Dr. D. H., 663.
Members of provincial legislature, employment of, 3510.
Morris, public building for, need of, 4199.
Mondou, Mr. A. A. (Yamaska)
Intercolonial Railway branch lines, 1739.
Money Lenders Act Amendment Bill, lr.,
201.
Monk, Hon. F. D.
Death of, 3785.
Resignation of, 1264.
Montcalm, revenue from tobacco in, 2958. Montcalm, steamer, 666.
Montreal
Carslake hotel purchase, 1871, 2079, 2436, 2962, 3318, 4023, 4192.
Circuit court judges, 697.
Colonization Society, 472.
Harbour
Master, 4022, 5188.
Steamer berths, 2546.
Public Works
Resident engineer, 1117, 2439, 5241. Staff, 1435.
Montreal Harbour Commissioners Bills
Loan. Res., 3631. lr„ 3636.	2r„ 3869.
Com., 3869.	3r., 3876.
Taxes, exemption from, lr., 4523.	2r. and
Com., 4830.	3r., 4831. Senate amdts.
5361.
Morphy, Mr. H. B. (North Perth)
Budget, 2770.
Cost of living, 2771.
Wheat production, 2776.
Technical education, 2777.
Butter, manufacture of, 3168. Experimental farms, 1154.
Farmers Bank, 4703, 4718.
Fenian raid veterans, 3370.
Judges' salaries, 3612.
Naturalization, 4175-4815.
Newfoundland, trade with, 2934.
Pacific, Trans-Canada and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2921.
Rural mail boxes, 5134.
Tye, W, P., gratuity to widow of, 3634. Vancouver Island labour troubles, 1270.
Morrisburg mails, 1692.
Morris, Mr. James (Chateauguay)
Budget, 2684.
Naval service, 5175.
St. Lawrence river dams, 3317.
Valleyfield excise, 2958.
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Moulin Dubois post office, 1019.
Mounted police, 310, 708, 1119
Murphy, Hon. Charles (Russell)
Canadian Northern Railway, 3253, 4013, 4280.
Civil Service, 666.
Civil Service superannuation, 1691.
Cost of Living Commission, 356.
External Affairs, Department of, 355.
French river improvements, 1604, 2081. Governor General's warrants, 2370.
Halifax terminals, 1332.
High Commissioner's office, 314.
House of Commons representation, 5311. Hudson Bay Railway, 924.
Intercolonial Railway grade reduction, 668. Metcalfe drill hall, 667.
National Art Gallery, 811.
National Transcontinental Railway Contracts, 1115.
Drawbacks on, 1330.
Investigating Commission, 1782.
Naval service, 332.
New Westminster postmastership, 355. Ottawa
Custom House, 811.
Drill hall, 667.
Property purchases, 666.
Rifle range, 668.
Water supply, 1744.
Peat experiments, 1806.
Port Arthur elevator, 809.
Post Office-temporary appointments, 3239. Prescott shipyard, 426.
Printing Bureau estimates, 724-740. Privilege, 257.
Safety at Sea Convention, 358.
Secretary of State's estimates, 724. Technical education, 355.
Trust companies, 1128, 1130.
Welland Canal, 925.
Murray Bay winter service, 1915.
Nails, tariff on, 3145.
Nantel, Hon. Wilfrid B. (Minister of Inland Revenue)
Adulteration Act Amendment, 1433, 2388, 3362.
Dismissals, 1377-1394, 1401-1406, 1424. Excise, 1370, 1417, 5266.
Inland Revenue estimates, 339, 1370-1395, 1400-1432, 2364, 5266.
Scales, regulation of, 1419.
Tobacco, stamps for, 1373, 1418.
Vincent, J. U., appointment of, 340, 1406, 1427.
Weights and Measures Act Amendment, 1359, 1753.
Napadogan military camp, 5017.
National Art Gallery, 811.
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3636.	2r., 3890. Com., 3890, 4112.	3r.,
4119.
National Transcontinental Railway, 14, 29,
115.
Coaling plants, 2787, 3113.
Contracts, 1115.
Drawbacks on, 1329.
Cost, 1536.
Deficit, 1780.
Eastern division	-
Construction, 4877.
Expenditure, 1018.
Operation, 5033.
Rates, 569.
Estimates, 2371, 4453-4462, 5106. Expropriation cases, 699.
Grade changes, 921.
Investigating Commission, 1328, 1782, 1915, 1970.
Expenses of, 895.
Report of, 879.
Land purchases, 1781.
Little Mistongo river bridge, 573. Management, 5072.
Amendment proposed: Mr. Pugsley, 5072. Ministerial statement, 1964, 1982,	2021,
2085, 2132, 2155, 2180, 2218, 2264, 2312. Amendment proposed: Mr. Graham, 2036; div., 2363.
Montreal connection, 816, 5127.
Payments to contractors, 1781.
Quebec terminals, 1913,	2177, 4839-4857,
4968, 5085-5106.
St. Malo
Shops, 360, 701, 1535, 1817.
Tunnel, 891.
Ste. Perpetud station, 1913.
Shops, estimate of, 1018.
Sillery lands, 1534.
Stations, contracts for, 1604.
Train service, 1691, 2437.
Transcona shops, 360, 664.
National Transcontinental Railway Bills
Extension of time, lr., 201.	2r., and 3r.,
749.
Operation, lr., 4711. 2r., 4838. Com., 4838. 3r., 4894.
See also Grand Trunk Pacific Railway.
Naturalization, British Nationality, Bill, lr., 3249.	2r., 4119, 4133. Com., 4142, 4173,
4529, 4807.	3r„ 4823, 4830. See also 1763,
2312.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1067 1084.
Naval Affairs
College at Halifax, 329, 3208, 3254.
Defence, 7, 16, 25, 46, 50, 61, 79, 89, 98, 99, 111, 120, 127, 139, 145, 177, 247. Enlistment, 346.
Naval Affairs.-Con.
Naval Service Act Repeal Bill, lr., 201. Naval Volunteers, 1914.
Regulations. 976.
Naval service, department of, 5146.
Estimates, 326-336.
Navigable waters Pollution of. See that title.
Protection of, Bill, lr., 343.
Navigation
Great Lakes, on, 349.
Schools of, 749.
Neely, Mr. D. B. (Humboldt)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
^Highways improvement, 259.
Free wheat, 260; proposed amdt, 267. Agricultural implements Duties on, 1570.
Industry, 572.
Budget, 2718.
Taxation, 2720.
Free wheat, 2723.
Agricultural Implements, 2727.
Steel industry, 2729.
Freight rates, 2730.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 803.
Campbell, Glen, complaint against, 621, 1853.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4000, 4071. Central Western Canada Railway Company, 768, 806.
Dismissals, 1003, 1200.
Dominion lands, 3355.
Dominion lands agent, removal of, 1851. Elevators, terminal, 1216.
Express franking privilege, 1018.
Freight rates, 937.
Government officials in politics, 621, 1200, 1853.
Grain Bill, 3577.
Inspection, 1117.
Sample markets, 2787.
Homestead entries, 570.
Humboldt homestead inspector, 569. Intercolonial Railway:	Smith, R. H., employment of, 1690.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 561.
Labour Department, employees of, 660. Manitoba school lands, 2786.
Militia, 337, 3444.
Naturalization, 4173.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1087.
Public buildings in Saskatchewan, need of, 4200.
School lands, 3638.
Volunteer bounty, 1399.
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Watrous postmaster, 3715.
Windsor immigration office, 5028.
Nesbitt, Mr. Edward W. (North Oxford) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 127.
Highways improvement, 129.
Financial conditions, 129.
Tariff, 131.
Cost of living, 132.
Free wheat, 133.
Transportation, 135.
Agricultural estimates, 1104, 1142, 1674. Agricultural implements, tariff on, 3140. Armouries, 1890.
Brantford public building, 817, 871, 5218. Budget, 2789.
Expenditures, 2790.
Tariff, 2792.
Agricultural implements, 2795.
Free wheat, 2796.
Transportation, 2799.
Butter manufacture, 2387, 3163.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 799.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3833, 4327, 4411.
Cow testing, 1674.
Farmers Bank, 4786.
Immigration, 1635.
King's Printer, appointment of, 738.
Loan companies, 4717.
McClary Manufacturing Company, 1216. Mail delivery, 2014.
Militia, 3449.
Peat experiments, 1804.
Railway mail clerks, 2384.
Rural mails, 5132.
Tariff, 3105, 3149.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3476.
Trust companies, 1127.
Newfoundland
Shipping disaster, 2517, 2995.
Trade with, 2916, 2923.
New Glasgow
Armoury, 702.
Intercolonial Railway Surveys, 3193.
Train service, 895.
New Harbour breakwater, 365, 2787.
Newmarket canal, 4368.
Newport customs employees, 890, 1021, 1332.
New Richmond
Freight shed, 2437.
Lightkeeper, dismissal of, 2439.
Rural mails, 1692, 2178, 3058.
Newspapers
Advertising, 1781, 2438.
Postage rates, 2312, 3225.
Tariff on, 3107.
New Westminster postmastership, 355.
Niagara Falls mails, 2014.
Nickle, Mr. William F. (Kingston)
Canadian Northern Railway, 3696.
Capital punishment, 496.
Farmers Bank. 3528.
Kingston penitentiary, 4504-4512, 4513. Prudential Life of Canada, 2898, 3478.
Nicholson, Mr. Donald (Queens, P.E.I.) Address in reply to Governor General'? Speech
Cost of living, 121.
Reciprocity, 122.
Redistribution of representation, 123. Niobe crew, 1023.
North Riverside postmaster, 2686, 3209 3509, 4022.
Northrup, Mr. William B. (East Hastings) Divorce reform, 821, 4884.
North Shore-Hubbard's mail service, 573.
North Sydney Harbour Commissioners Bill.
Res., 1539. lr., 1540.	2r., 1791. Com.,
1791. 3r., 1820.
Northwest Mounted Police, 2544.
Norton Creek, deepening of, 5028.
Nova Scotia
Coal, Ontario market for, 365.
Immigration agents, 1691.
Water lots, 1022.
O'Brien, A. H., superannuation of, 1945.
Ocean freight rates, 931, 2927. See also Freight Rates.
Officials in politics. See Government officials.
Oil, export of. See Petroleum.
Oka postmistress, 3460, 3505, 3532.
Old age pensions, 1333.
Oliver, Hon. Frank (Edmonton)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Agriculture, 81, 84.
Transportation, 85.
Labour conditions, 83.
Cost of living, 87.
Banks and banking, 88.
Naval defence, 89.
Free wheat, 267.
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Advertising, fraudulent, 3469.
Agricultural implement duties, 1695 Asiatic trade, 888, 5037.
Athabasca Landing-Fort McMurray telegraph, 354.
Atlantic mail service, 5065.
Atlin Railway Company, 3397.
Bad Throat river water powers, 1913. Binder twine, 1609.
Butter, manufacture of, 3162.
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company, 800.
Canada Temperance Act, 1761, 3590. Canadian Northern Railway, 3319, 3773, 4083, 4233-4290, 4299-4334, 4415 (amdt), 4545, 4548, 4550.
Capital punishment, 508.
Caterpillar pest, 1132.
Central Western Canada Railway Company, 768, 805.
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1481.
Civil Service insurance, 1871.
Coal for dredges, 2078.
Cold storage, 3562, 4172.
Conservation Commission, 719.
Customs officials, 423.
Dismissals, 370, 1182, 1644.
Dominion lands, 3326, 3511, 4821, 4889.
Orders in council, 4714.
Dunvegan telegraph, 816.
Edmonton and Fort George mail service, 891.
Edmonton drill hall, 354.
Edson-Grand Prairie mails, 369. Exhibitions, 1685.
Fenian raid veterans, 571, 4340.
Fletcher, J„ employment of, 351.
Forest reserves, 3512, 3554, 4151.
Freight rates, 938, 947, 2196, 2980.
Gimli land patent, 1359.
Government officials in politics, 626, 706, 741, 1865.
Grain
Bill, 3161, 3575.
Elevators, 1646-1666.
Grand Rapids water lease, 1361.
High Commissioner's office, 312.
Hog cholera, 3174.
House of Commons distribution office, 1775.
Hudson Bay terminals, 680, 1209. Immigration, 1613, 4155.
Asiatic, 350, 1220, 5213.
Deportations, 891, 1613, 1640.
European, 572, 1642, 4159.
Hindu, 4022, 4130, 4214, 4295, 4369, 4524, 4556, 4562, 4717, 4954.
Regulations, 350, 351, 4155.
Statistics, 351.
Unemployed, 4157, 5211.
United States, 1616, 1640.
Indians
British Columbia reserves, 5209.
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Schools, 2397, 3481, 3532.
Irrigation, 3485, 3601.
Kamloops
Drill hall, 1331.
Public building, 1021.
Karluk, steamer, 811, 2264.
Land patents, 3113.
Lands unpatented, taxation of, 1921. Lesser Slave, Lake, dredging in, 5236. Metric system, 1754.
Militia, 5006.
Mounted police, 710, 4964.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2189.
Naturalization, 4130, 4144, 4808.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1091.
Naval service, 329-336.
Navigable waters, pollution of, 1746. Pacific, Trans-Canada and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2949.
Parks, Dominion, 4154.
Patents, renewal of, 1668, 2918.
Petroleum, export of, 972, 1759, 3463. Pollution of navigable waters, 1746.
Post Office
Britain to Canada rates, 3232.
Western service, 3633.
Prince Edward and Hastings Railway Company, 2921.
Public Works estimates, 4201, 5235. Railway bridges and highway traffic, 3886. Railway charters, 2950, 2953.
Railway from British Columbia to Alaska, 1870.
Railway level crossings, 3958.
Rainy River Radial Railway Company, 2950.
Rebellion claims, 4967.
St. Peter's Indian reserve, 354, 475, 571, 891. San Francisco exhibition, 1685.
Seeds Inspection Bill, 4169.
Senate representation, 1492, 5293. Steffansson expedition, 352.
Tariff, 3038, 3128, 4338, 5363.
Tar sand deposits, 1810.
Telegraph lines, 5242.
Transportation, 2980.
W. C. Edwards Company, 3475.
Western freight rates, 1914.
White Water lake, 1331.
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3967.
Ontario Equipment Company, 699.
Ontario Fire Insurance Company, 4295, 4713.
Orange Lodges and the French language, 2081.
Ores, treatment of, 1803.
Oriental industrial competition, 4558.
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Building leases, 2439, 2519, 2544.
Capital, as the, 1882-1889.
Capital Planning Commission, 2373, 5196. Coal contracts, 4206.
Custom House, 811, 2079.
Drill hall, 667.
Fire alarm system, 1332.
Improvement Commission, 697.
Property purchases, 666.
Public buildings, 1533, 1875-1890, 4197, 4205. Rifle range, 668.
Water supply, 314, 1331, 1744, 1882, 4206.
Ottawa river lightkeepers, 574.
Owen Sound mails, 2014.
Pacaud, Mr. Lucien T. (Megantic) Canadian Northern Railway, 3979. Dismissals, 1390.
Pacific defence forces, 1751.
Panama canal, 2915.
Effect on Canadian rates, 3509.
Papineau, Mr. Louis J. (Beauharnois) Valleyfield dredging, 2992.
Paquet, Mr. Eugene (L'lsiet)
Agriculture, 1143.
Immigration, 1437, 1639.
Postal service, 3853.
Paradis, L„ fumigation station inspector, 2840.
Parcel post, 215, 257, 350, 1360, 5246.
Franking privilege, 621.
Pardee, Mr. Frederick F. (West Lambton) Brantford public building, 877.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3953, 4036, 4068.
Drill halls, 1890.
Farmers Bank, 4917.
Ferguson, G. H., appointment of, 1915. Grain Commission, 2376.
Lake Erie buoy service, 2519.
Militia, 702, 2309,. 3428.
Minister of Militia and Ulster, 1902. Newmarket canal, 4368.
Parcel post, 1360.
Petroleum, export of, 3465.
Tariff, 3115.
Toronto harbour, 812.
Trade Commissioners, 886.
Parent, engineer, dismissal of, 5241.
Pa ris Government office, 4965.
Parliamentary documents, distribution of, 1775.
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Answers to questions, lengthy, 1061. Divorce Bills-printing of evidence in French, 4880.
Estimates not printed in French, consideration of, 403.
Ex-members, statements affecting, as: questions of privilege, 1119-1125. Improper motives, imputation of, to Government, 2009.
Privilege, questions of, 343, 705, 1119, 2016, 2083, 3455.
Question ruled out as improper and frivolous; appeal, 2017; div., 2019.
Questions without notice, 285, 475, 477, 511. Reply, right of, on adjournment motion, 519.
Senate amendments Amendment of, 5034.
Discussion of, 4893.
Shipping Bill not preceded by resolution 743.
Supply, Committee of, without question put, 306, 512, 707.
Supply resolutions, concurrence in en Hoc 2376.
Thursdays, Government business on, 696. Parliamentary representation. See House of Commons and Senate.
Patents	.
Office, 5200.
Record, 1098.
Renewal of, 1668, 2918, 2948, 3205.
Payne, Steven, employment of, 1605.
Peace Centenary. See Canadian Peace Centenary Association.
Peat, experiments with, 1804.
Pedley, F., case of, 817.
Pelagic sealing claims, 2372.
Pelee Island steamer subsidy, 5039.
Pelletier, Hon. L. P., expenses of, 1117.
Pelletier, Hon. Louis P. (Postmaster General) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Dismissals, 203.
Redistribution of representation, 203. Transportation, 206, 209.
United Shoe Machinery Company, 207. By-elections, 209.
Free food, 212.
Naval defence, 213.
Parcel post, 215.
Atlantic mail service, 94, 5056.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4634.
Civil Service appointments, 1164.
Divorce bills, 4882.
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Empress of Ireland, loss of, 4556. Exhibitions, 1685.
SFarmers Bank, 4741.	.
Georgian Bay canal, 2966.
High Commissioner's office, 1767.
House of Commons
French translation, 733, 736, 1779.
Post office, 399.
Representation, 854, 5315.
Intercolonial Railway-Riviere du Roup facilities, 4970.
Rafontaine, Mr., Canada's exhibition representative, 1685.
Remieux, (Hon. R., Asiatic trip of, 705. Rfrvis quarantine station, 1108.
Monk, Hon, F. D., death of, 3786. National Transcontinental Railway, 4462.
Quebec terminals, 4845, 4852, 4974. Naval service, 432, 5161.
Oka postmistress, 3505.
IPilotage, 3629.
.Post Office Act Amendment, 2380, 3222, 5033, 5071, 5360.
Post Office
Automobiles, 5130, 5146, 5262, 5361. British magazines, postage on, 3227. Eastern Townships, dismissals in, 3640, 5261.
Employees and salaries, 341, 2378, 3220. Estimates, 341, 2364, 3572, 3632, 3638, 3843, 5129, 5249.
Franking privilege, 971, 3223.
Indecent publications, 3236.
Retter carriers on electric railways, 3217. Retters, registration of, 3222. Newspapers, rates on, 3234, 3244, 5033, 5071.
Parcel post, 215, 5250.
Railway mail clerks, 2380, 3239, 3572, 5360.
Returns, alleged incomplete, 3632, 5145. Rural mail Boxes, 5133.
Service, 2364, 3852, 5249, 5361.
*Quebec	*
Battlefields Commission, 4113. Quarantine station, 1108.
Returns, alleged incomplete, 2364.
'Senate representation, 5299.
Transatlantic mail service, 589, 1645.
Truro post office, 1909.
Vincent, J. U., appointment of, 1429. Voters' lists, 2373.
Pembroke armoury, 5193.
Pen itentiary investigation. See Kingston.
Perley, Horn. G. H„ trip to Rondon of, 4631.
Perley, Hon. Geo. H. (Argenteuil)
Finance Department estimates, 722.
Roan co-mpanies, 970.
Perley, Hon. G. H.-Con.
Ottawa Improvement Commission, 1889. Trust companies, 793.
Union Rife Insurance Company, 723, 926.
Petroleum, export of. See Export Act Amendment Bill.
Pickled Fish. See Fish.
Pictou
Bank, 1696.
Mail carrier, 572.
Mail contracts, 1690, 1819, 1913.
Post offices, 1022.
Public building, 809.
Rural mail, 924, 1023.	-
Pig iron drawback. See Customs Act Amendment Bill.
Pilotage
Agent, 1219.
Montreal, 1117.
St. Rawrence river, 815, 984, 3621.
See Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bill.
Pilots, superintendents of, 666.
Pioneer settlers, Rord Selkirk's, 3207.
Plainfield post office, 2016.
Plantaganet rural mails, 2840.
Point Fortune wharf, 3398.
Political partisanship, investigations into, 2262, 2308.
Pollution of Navigable Waters Bill, lr., 4.
2r., 1750. Ref. to Select Com., 1751. See also 1740, 1910, 2013.
Port Arthur government elevator, 809.
Port Colborne elevator, 2990.
Port Daniel lobster hatchery, 2519, 3318.
Port Hood public wharf, 355.
Port Maitland post office, 1913.
Portneuf
Rightkeeper, 1219, 3S10.
County post offices, 1690.
Post Office Act Amendment Bill. Res., 2380. lr., 2384.	2r., 3173. Com., 3222.	3r„
3249. Senate amendments, 5033, 5071, 5360, 5376.
Post Office
Automobiles, 3113, 5130, 5262.
Country post offices and libraries, 892. English magazines, postage on, 2312.
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Employees' Salaries. See Civil Service Act Amendment Bill.
Estimates, 341, 2364, 3571, 3632, 3638, 3840, 5129.
Letter carriers on electric cars, 3247.
Mail bag locks, 354, 473, 701.
Mail boxes, 2364.
Mail contracts cancelled, 703.
Rural mail service. See that title.
Salaries. See Civil Service Act Amendment Bill.
Savings banks interest, 5199.
Transatlantic mail service. See that title..
Potato embargo by United States, 744.
Potatoes, tariff on, 3044, 3059.
Poulsen wireless, 2687, 5246, 6249.
Power, Mr. William (West Quebec)
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2248.
Prescott county mails, 2962.
Press Conference, Imperial, 4961.
Prince Edward Island
Banks, 1781, 2543.
Freight rates, 308, 926, 1018.
Railway, 4483.
Representation, 123, 707, 849, 853, 859, 863, 5285, 5299, 5306, 5359.
Transportation, 399.
Winter service, 701, 757.
Printing and Stationery Department estimates, 724, 1774.
Printing Bureau building, 4370.
Prison reform, 4511, 4522.
Prisons and Reformatories Act Amendment Bill. lr„ 3397.	2r., 3466. Com,, 3466.
3r., 3466.
Private Bill legislation, responsibility for, 994.
Private Bills discussed
Acadia Loan Corporation, 1416.
Alberta Central Railway Company, 1891. Arnoldi, J., Patent of, 2948.
Atlin Railway Company, 2397.
Auto Wheels, Limited, patent of, 1668. Barcelona Light and Power Company, 1911, 1981.
Boy Scouts Association, 4131. See also 5002.
Brazilian Light and Power Company, 1982. British American Nickel Corporation, 1982.
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British Trust Company, 1416.
Burrard Tunnel and Bridge Company,
764.	'
Calgary and Edmonton Railway Company,
765,	795, 992.
Calgary and Fernie Railway Company, 1667.
Canadian Northern Ontario Railway Company 4470.
Canadian Northern Railway Company, 1760, 4470, 4670.
Canadian Pacific Railway Company, 769.
Catholic Mutual Benefit Association, 4474.
Central Ontario Railway, 1892.
Central Railway Company of Canada, 996.
Central Western Canada Railway Company, 767, 804.
Continental Fire Insurance Company of Canada, 16'66.
Erie, London and Tillsonburg Railway Company, 995.
Esquimau and Nanaimo Railway Company, 994.
Farnham and Granby Railway Company, 3505.
Fredericton and Grand Lake Coal and Railway Company, 3205.
Goldschmidt, R., patent of, 2918, 3205.
Grand Trunk and Canada Atlantic Railway Companies, 2922.
Grand Trunk Railway Company, 767.
Joliette and Lake Manuan Colonization Railway Company, 994.
Kettle Valley Railway Company, 1892.
Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2922, 2951, 4473.
Lgehine, Jacques Cartier, and Maisonneuve Railway Company, 767.
Lake Erie and Northern Railway Company, 1188.
London and Lake Erie Railway Company, 1891.
London and Port Stanley Railway Company, 1416.
McClary Manufacturing Company, 1216.
Manitoba and Northwestern Railway Company, 1891.
Mortgage Corporation of Nova Scotia, 1416,
National Council of Women of Canada, 2948.
National Wood Distilling Company, patent of, 1668.
Norfolk and Elgin Railway Company, 1667..
Northern Territorial Railway Company, 2175.
North Shore Power, Railway, and Navigation Company, 4471.
Ottawa and Ungava Railway Company, 992.
Ottawa, Northern and Western Railway Company, 764.
Pacific, Peace River and Athabaska Railway Company, 992.
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Pacific, Trans-Canada and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 2921, 2948.
Peace River Tramway and Navigation Company, 995.
Prince Edward and Hastings Railway Company, 2921, 2949.
Prudential Rite of Canada, 2899, 3478, 3506, Queen's University, 770.
Painy River Radial Railway Company, 2950.
Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo Telephone Company, 1892.
Saskatchewan Central Railway Company, 2956.
Saskatoon and Hudson Bay Railway Company, 3827.
Les Soeurs de la Charitd de l'Hopital Saint Antoine de Le Pas, 1669.
Sterling Trusts Corporation, 1417. Thessalon and Northern Railway Company, 993.
Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, 3199, 3270, 3476.
University of Emmanuel College, 2397. Vineberg, Helen, divorce bill, 4670, 4880.
W. C. Edwards Company, 3474.
Western Dominion Railway Company, 3473. West Ontario Pacific Railway Company, 769.
Willson, T. L., patent of, 2918.
Privilege, questions of Aikins, Mr., 3892.
Armstrong, Mr. J. A. M., 3114.
Best, Mr., 3114.
Burnham, Mr., 3058.
Chisholm, Mr. W„ 2085, 5955.
Crothers, Mr., 707.
Devlin, Mr., 1119.
Fisher, Mr., 3113.
Hughes, Mr. Sam., 2083.
Knowles, Mr., 3454.
Lachance, Mr., 1784.
Law, Mr., 343.
Lemieux, Mr., 704.
Lesperance, Mr., 126.	,
Macdonald, Mr., 3160.
Murphy, Mr., 257.
Pardee, Mr., 2084.
Rhodes, Mr., 3114.
Smith, Mr., 3114.
Sutherland, Mr., 3114.
Turriff, Mr., 2546.
Walker, Mr., 3114.
Wilson, Mr. C. A.. 2016.
Privy Council, Judicial Committee of, appointment of Law Lords to, 1952.
Proportional Representation, 613, 619, 848, 856, 5285.
Proulx, Mr. Edmond (Prescott)
Canadian Northern Railway, 4053.
Capital punishment, 505.
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Carson, Sir Edward, alleged cablegram to, 2082, 2178.
Civil Service, 4446.
Farmers Bank, 4800.
French translators, 5274,
Hay contracts, 1020.
Healey, Mr., dismissal of, 5270.
Judges' salaries, 1939, 388 r.
Marriage laws, 444.
Menace newspaper, 3056.
Militia
Automobiles, 813, 2081.
Canteens, 2437.
Employees, 813.
Estimates, 3415, 3419, 5269 (amdt).
Gift of horse, 814.
Private car repairs, 813.
Sham battle, 814.
Special train, 814.
Minister of Militia in Europe, 444. Ministers' travelling expenses, 610. Montreal Colonization Society, 472. O'Brien, A. H., superannuation of, 1952. Plantaganet rural mails, 2840.
Potts, A., payments to, 369.
Prescott county mails, 2962.
Printing and advertising, Government, 729. Public buildings, rentals of, 1906. Queenston Heights picnic, 441.
Royal Military College, 3207.
St. Antoine de Le Pas Sisters of Charity, 1669.
Selkirk's, Lord, pioneer settlers, 3207. Senate representation, 5298.
Vancouver drill hall, 362, 892, 1021, 1117. Vancouver Orange Lodge, Irish Home Rule resolution of, 2785.
Provincial members, employment of, 3510.
Prudential Life of Canada, 2898. See a'so Private Bills discussed.
Public Works Estimates
Buildings, 1533, 1875, 1893, 5218, 5231. Dredging, 6224, 5236.
Harbours and rivers, 5214, 5231, 5233. Salaries, etc., 342.
Slides and booms, 5231.
Telegraph lines, 2375, 5234-5245.
Pugsley, Hon. William (St. John city) Asiatic trade, development of, 5036. Atlantic mail service, 5050.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4028, 4042, 4058, 4216-4274, 4297-4331, 4391, 4639. Civil Service superannuation, 5370.
Cost of living, 5376.
Dry docks subsidies, 4090.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway, 4835. Hampton public building site, 4189.
House of Commons representation, 5306. Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 5112.
Estimates, 4864.
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Ocean Limited, 4630, 4888.
Militia, 5019.
National Transcontinental Railway, 4457, 4459, 4461, 4854, 5033, 5072 (amdt.), 5090.
Naturalization, 4823.
Pelee Island steamer service, 5039.
St. John
Dredging, 5224.
Railway and steamship service, 5050.
St. John Valley Railway bridges, 4023. Senate representation, 5290, 5299, 5305. Tariff, 4336.
Quebec (city)
Arsenal, 5028.
Battlefields Commission, 1783, 1784. See also National Battlefields at Quebec Bill.
Bridge, 4559, 4463, 5030, 5108.
Harbour Commission attorney, 1604, 2263. Harbourmaster, 5029.
Harbour plant, 2788, 3055, 3398.
Land purchases, 1434.
Marine agency, 2996.
Quarantine officials, 354.
Union station, 1913.
Weights and Measures, assistant inspector of, 3318.
Quebec Harbour Commissioners Bill. Res., 3632. lr„ 3636.	2r„ 3876. Com., 3876.
3r„ 3895.
Quebec-Levis mails, 2263.
Quebec (Province) Seigniories, 568.
Quebec and Saguenay Railway, 4022, 4053, 4557.
Queenston Heights picnic, 441.
Radium ores, 1692, 1814.
Railway Act Amendment Bills.
Armstrong, Mr. J. E. lr., 1013.
Borden, Mr. Joint Com., 2947.
Demers, Mr. lr., 610, 793.
Railway Commission, Dominion, 574, 2372, 2437, 4160.
Railway Employees House of Service Bill.
lr., 2175.
Railway Level Crossings Bill. Res., 3896. lr., 3896.	2r„ 3957. Com., 3957.	3r„
4023.
Railway Mail Clerks. See Civil Service Act (P.O.) Amendment Bill.
Railways
Charters, granting of, 2953.
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Crossings, level, 360, 3200, 3270, 4166. See also Railway Level Crossings Bill. Government ownership of, 3974-3979, 43914413.	[DOT]
Land grants to, 5027.
Suburban trains, 1062.
See also names of railways.
Railways and Canals estimates, 438, 1956, 2963-2995,	4160-4167,	4939-4953,	5106-
5129.
Ministerial statement, 1957.
Canals, 1957.
Government Railways, 1959.
Hudson Bay Railway, 1962.
National Transcontinental Railway, 1964. Salaries, etc., 438.
Rainville, Mr. Joseph H. (Chambly and Ver-eheres)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 288.
Immigration, 291.
Agriculture, aid to, 292.
Highways improvement, 293.
Cold storage, 294.
Cost of living, 294.
Civil Service, 1384.
Ranching and Grazing Commission, 574, 2543.
Real estate advertisements. See Criminal Code Amendment Bill.
Reciprocity with the United States, 9, 117, 122, 297.
Records, Departmental, Commission, 4963. Red Head harbour, 891.
Redistribution of representation. See House of Commons.
Reid, Hon. J. D. (Minister of Customs) Alert, steamer, 343, 474.
Basic slag, 639.
Canals, 1957, 2963-2995, 4162, 5109.
Colpitts, G. A., case of, 452.
Customs estimates, 400, 413, 422-439, 963969, 998-1011, 2374.
Government Railways claims, 1910, 2392. House of Commons representation, 5307, 5360.
Hudson Bay Railway, 1962, 4464-4466, 4468, 4476.
Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 5119.
Estimates, 3178, 4165, 4860.
Killaim, A. E., retirement of, 1728. Management, 3264.
Ocean Limited train, 4888.
Pension fund, 5362.
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Labrador, Quebec and Southern Railway Company, 2952.
National Transcontinental Railway Eastern section, 5033.
Estimates, 4453-4462, 4968, 5106. Ministerial statement, 1964.
Montreal, connection with, 5127. Petroleum, export of, 971.
Prince Edward Island Railway, 1962, 4483. Quebec bridge, 5108.
Railway level crossings, 3896, 3957, 4023, 4166.
Railways and Canals estimates, 438, 1957, 2963-2995, 4160-4167, 4939-4953, 5106. Returns, alleged incomplete, 4959.
St. John Valley Railway, 3036.
Bridges, 3880, 3959, 4023.
St. Peter's canal, 2963, 2995, 4480. Southampton Railway Company, 1469. Toronto terminals, 3784.
Trent canal Construction, 4163.
Investigation, 4991.
Welland canal, 2963, 2987.
Winnipeg terminals, 3454, 3558.
Reid Mr. Jas. (Restigouche)
Intercolonial Railway car charges, 352.
Reindeer herd, 4155.
Rhodes, Mr. Edgar N. (Cumberland) Battlefields, preservation of, 4116.
Customs service, appointments to, 969. Dismissals, 1007.
Fenian raid veterans, 4354.
Fort Cumberland, restoration of, 4183. Government officials in politics, 435. House of Commons representation 5324 5335.
Privilege, 3114.
Senate representation, 5304.
Richibucto life-saving crew, 668.
Richmond county public works, 571.
Richmond and Wolfe public buildings, 1694, 4294.
Reindeau, S„ employment of, 1114.
Rigaud
Post office, 442, 3638, 4021.
Wharf, 442, 574.
Rimouski
Customs, 2015.
Engineers, 2079, 4021.
Harbour, 2079, 2310.
Insurance Company, 4713, 4807.
Land purchase, 1695.
Medical service, 2015.
Robb, Mr. James A. (Huntingdon)
Brome experimental dairy station, 1110. Budget, 2639.
Agriculture, 2640.
Tariff, 2641.
Dairy products, 2643.
Dismissals, 432.
Explosives, manufacture of, 1810.
Grain Bill, 3584.
Horse breeding, 472.
Dive stock purchases, 470.
Naval service, 5164.
Norton creek, 5028.
Transportation, 2987.
Valleyfield
Dredging, 2992.
Wharf, 5234.
Robidoux, Mr. Ferdinand J. (Kent, N.B.)
Fisheries advisory board, 2413.
Robitaille postmaster, 3058.
Roche, Hon. W. J. (Minister of the Interior) Alpine Club of Canada, 4155.
Astronomical surveys, 4155.
Buffalo herd, 4155.
Campbell, Glen, charges against, 624, 1857. Dominion Lands Act Amendment, 3249, 3335-3360, 3511.
Dominion Lands and Parks, 1836-1870, 2372, 4151.
Orders in Council approved, 4713.
Forest reserves, 3512, 3554, 4151. Government officials in politics, 624, 1836. Immigration Agencies, 1628.
Asiatic, 1253, 4214.
Bulgarian, 4560.
Chinese, 5212.
Estimates, 1612-1644, 4105, 5210.
Hindu, 4524, 4557, 4564, 4954 5212. Homestead entries by continental immigrants, 1625, 4158.
Inspection, 1441.	'
Italian, 1634.
Maritime provinces, to, 5211.
Results of policy, 1612, 1625.
Russian, 4560.
United States, 1625.
Indian Act Amendment, 1817, 2395, 3481, 3532, 4830.
Indians
British Columbia, 2477, 5209.
Generally, 422, 2480.
Northwest Provinces and Territories, 2478, 5209.
Nova Scotia, 2474-2477, 5209.
Ontario and Quebec, 2472-2474.
Interior Department estimates, 338, 1836, 2363, 2372, 4151.
Irrigation, 3599, 4153.
Lands unpatented, taxation of, 1920. Natural resources, provincial control, of, 1079.
Petroleum rights, 975.
Reindeer herd, 4155.
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St. Peter's Indian reserve, 475.
Seed grain, 5210.
Volunteer bounty, 1396, 1611.
Water-power surveys, 4153.
Yukon, Government of, 1835.
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3859, 3965.
Rocky Point wharf, 3113, 3318.
Rogers, Hon. Robt. (Minister of Public Works)
Brantford public building, 872.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4416, 4550. Canning public building, 5226.
Carslake Hotel property, 4023.
Dry Docks subsidy, 3961, 4090.
Ewart, D., chief architect, 5230.
Georgian Bay canal, 1050, 1733.
Government officials in politics, 628, 741, 1846.
Grand Trunk Pacific Railway mechanics' strike, 5034.
House of Commons representation, 5230. National Transcontinental Railway, 5078. Public Works estimates
Buildings, 1533,	1875,	1893,	4182-4207,
5218-5231.
Dredging, 5224, 5236.
Harbours and rivers, 4207-4213, 5214, 5231, 5233.
Miscellaneous, 5230.
Salaries, etc., 342.
Slides and booms, 5231.
Telegraph lines, 2375, 5234-5245.
Ross, Mr. Duncan C. (West Middlesex) Canadian Northern Railway, 4370.
Farmers Bank, 3527, 4921.
Muncey Indians, 2475.
Shipbuilding in Canada, 418.
Ross rifle, 513.
Rosthern
Customs collector, 573, 997.
Lands agent, 573.
Roy, J. N., employment of, 698.
Royal assent, 2376, 2383, 4292 4321.
Royal Military College, 3207, 5015.
Royal Society of Canada, 350, 5267.
Rural mail service, 376, 5132, 5245, 5361.
Ste. Anne de la Pocatiere
Experimental station, 360.
Wharf, 2078.
Ste. Anne des Monts wharf, 2687.
Ste. Anne de Restigouche dredging, 3112.
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Ste. Brigide mails, 893.
St. Casimir post office, 360, 667.
St. David de Levis postmaster, 4369.
St. Esprit lightkeeper, 473.
St. Hyacinthe mails, 2014.
St. Jerome wharf, 3113.
St. John, N.B.
Custom house, 1330.
Harbour, 1331, 1693, 4090-4112.
Marine employees, 1913.
St. John and Quebec Railway, 2546, 2789, 2997.
St. John and Quebec Railway Bridges Bill.
Res., 3880. lr„ 3886.	2r., 3959. Com..
3959, 4023.	3r„ 4090.
St. Johns and Iberville
Bridge, 2689.
Rural mail, 366.
St. Johns and Iberville rural mail, 366.
St. Johns, Que.
Customs collector, 893.
Inland Revenue collector, 1021.
St. Joseph de Sorel
Post office, 572.
Trempe, L. E„ employment of, 1434, 1695.
St. Lawrence
Accidents, 3253, 3398, 3622. See also Empress of Ireland.
Dams, 3317.
Ice breakers, 987.
Rates, 976, 982.
Ship channel 976-991.
Tug boilers, 1361.
St. Leonards immigration agent, 569.
Ste. Perpetue food inspector, 359.
St. Peter's
Canal, 1020, 2903, 2963, 2995, 4480.
Indian Reserve, 354, 475, 571, 891.
St. Roch des Aulnaies excise officer, 360.
St. Romuald post office, 809, 4021.
St.-Theodore D'Acton rural mail, 700.
Sackville public wharf, 568.
Safety of Life at Sea Convention, 358, 787.
San Francisco Exposition. See Exhibitions.
Sault Ste. Marie mails, 2014.
Scales inspection, 1419.
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Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Farmers' delegation, 106.
By-elections, 106.
Manitoba boundaries, 107. Transportation, 107.
Agriculture, 109.
Cost of living, 110.
Naval defence, 111.
Dismissals, 1180.
Freight rates, 940.
Naturalization, 4534.
Natural resources, provincial control of, 1085.
Terminal elevators, 1657,
School lands, 3638.
Secretary of State's estimates, 724, 1760-1780.
Secret Commissions Bill, 4555, 4712.
Seed grain, distribution of, 369.
Seeds, inspection of. See Inspection and Sales Act Amendment Bill.
Seguin, Mr. Paul A. (L'Assomption) 1 Dorion, dredging at, 443.
House of Commons representation, 5318. Hudson Bay Bailway, 5030.
Joliette building, 1023.
L'Assomption wharf, 2263.
Soulanges canal, 2179, 2263.
Terrebonne postmaster, 1019.
Tobacco,revenues, 2957.
Senate Employees Bill. lr„ 4711.
Senate reform, 1495, 5282.
Senate representation-Address to the King. Kes., 5277. Com., 5290. Senate amdts., 5376, 5378.
Senate Representation Bills
Alberta. Res., 1498. lr., 1498.
British Columbia. Res., 3513. lr., 3516. Manitoba. Res., 1483. lr., 1497. See also 1911.
Saskatchewan. Res., 1498. lr., 1498.
Sevigny, Mr. Albert (Dorchester) Experimental farms, 1149.
National Transcontinental Railway Investigation, 2218.
Payments to contractors, 1781.
Sillery lands, 1534.
Portneuf county post offices, 1690.
Quebec Battlefields Commission, 1783.
St. Johns Inland Revenue collector, 1378.
Sexsmith, Mr. John A. (East Peterborough) Butter, manufacture of, 3166.
Lemieux, Hon. R., trips of, 698.
Trent canal, 4997.
Sharpe, Mr. Samuel (North Ontario)
Divorce bills, 4883.
Farmers Bank, 4764.
Fenian raid veterans, 3373.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2202.
Ross rifle, 517.
Queen's University, 770.
Senate reform, 5284.
Trust companies, 2908.
Unemployment, 4157.
Sharpe, Mr. William H. (Lisgar)	[DOT]
Hudson Bay terminals, 688, 4464.
Shefford county rural mall, 363.
Shelburne
Fisheries, 349.
Fishery guardians, 2961.
Public works, 1330.
Shepherd, Mr. F. H. (Nanaimo)
Duncan's Station public building, 4203. Explosives, regulation of, 3865.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 539, 1283.
Sherbrooke (city)
Automobiles for officials, 2959, 5130, 5262. Drill hall, 2959, 3111.
Leased buildings, 3317-, 3894.
Militia quarters, 3422-3428.
Post office, 3509, 3715, 4368.
Sherbrooke (county)
Agriculture in, 5027.
Postal inspection, 2959, 3645.
Shigawake rural mails, 1692.
Shipping, registration of, 754. See also Canada Shipping Act Amendment Bill.
Shubenacadie-Deans mails, 1817.
Silk, tariff on, 3159.
Sinclair, Mr. John H. (Guysborough)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Fishing industry, 142,
Naval defence, 145.
Highways improvement, 147.
Mail bag locks, 150.
Amherst armoury, 3714, 4293.
Armouries, 666, 2786. See also Amherst Banque Internationale, 4712.
Boilers for tugs, 1361.
Budget, 2734.
Election issues, 2735.
Fishing industry, 2738.
Agricultural implements, 2739.
Fishing twine, 2740.
Expenditures, 2741.
Canada shipping, 90.
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Canning public building. 5224.
Canso letter boxes, 703.
Cattle Inspection, 759.
Civil Service, appointments to, 1192.
Coal contracts for Government dredges, 923.
Coasting privileges, 90, 754, 2435, 2915. See also Shipping.
Cobequid, wreck of, 1167.
Cold storage, 700.
Cole Harbour wharf, 1693.
Cost of Living Commission, 2436. Cranberry Island light, 1175, 1193.
Dean Settlement Railway, 3318.
Dismissals
Pish hatchery employees, 370.
Generally, 1192.
Laing, J. R., postmaster, 370.
Drill halls. See Armouries.
Duchemin, H. P., payments to, 353, 697, 779, 893, 926, 1111,
Electoral corruption, 344.
Esquimau dock, 813, 1433.
Experimental farms, 1160.
Farmers Bank, 723, 4804, 4895, 4903 (amdt.) 4912.
Fenian raid veterans, 349, 440, 925, 1604, 2416, 2787, 2962, 3368, 3894, 4348.
Fish and fisheries
Advisory board, 2399, 2415.
Curing expert, 571.
Lobster fishing, 815, 5187.
Modus vivendi licenses, 1603.
Pickled fish, inspection or, 4437. Reduction works, 1693, 2080.
Statistics, 1020, 1361, 2400, 5191. Transportation, 376, 894, 1017, 1114-1215, 2401, 2937, 3412, 5070, 5184.
Twine, duty on, 344, 3153.
Violations of Act, 1603.
Fraser, J. McL., fishery officer, 5030. Government railways claims, 2394. Government steamers Alert, 326, 343.
Canada, 3113.
Repairs to, 404, 1204, 1332, 2430. Gunhilde, steam yacht, 2688.
Guysborough public wharf, 355.
House of Commons Post office, 477.
Representation, 5350.
Hudson Bay Railway mileage, 364.
Indian Harbour Lakes postmaster, 3055. Intercolonial Railway Branch lines, 353.
Employees on Ferry Scotia, 1016. Estimates, 3183, 4865.
Freight rates, 894, 921, 1017, 1021, 1434. 1690, 2016.
Guysborough branch, 4481.
Ice contracts, 364.
Management, 3305.
Point Tupper ferry, 894.
Refrigerator cars, 1360.
Standard rules, 1693.
Sunny Brae branch, 894.
Tonnage, 3110.
Labour strikes at Nanaimo, 345.
Larry's River harbourmaster, 2961.
Le Blanc, seaman, burial of. 667, S15, 5177. Life-saving rewards, 420, 5176.
McPherson C„ employment of, 2787. Matches, white phosphorus, 1538.
Militia
Armouries. See that title. .
Boot contract, 2591.
Generally, 4617.
Political demonstrations, 5010.
Training areas, 5020.
Montreal harbour, 3875.
Mounted police, 2544.
Naturalization, 4817.
Naval College, Halifax, 3208.
Navigation, schools of, 750.
New Harbour breakwater, 365.
Newspaper advertising, 2438.
Newspapers, postal rates on, 3245.
North Riverside postmaster, 2686,
3509, 3845, 4022.
Petawawa camp, 815.
Provincial subsidies, 344.
Prudential Life of Canada. 3479, 3506. Railway mail clerks, 2382.
Railway subsidies, 355.
Red Head harbour, 891.
Returns, alleged incomplete, 4960, 5361-Sand Point wharf, 5229.^
Shellfish Commission, 667, 1361.
Shipping Act Amendment, 746.
Shipping
Insurance, 982.
Registry, 754.
Spanish Ship Bay wharf, 30oo, 3111. Steamer subsidies. 2935.
Steam trawling, 471.
Sunny Brae mails, 2309.
Tariff, 3153.
Trade agents, 319, 884.
United States fishermen, 1692.
Vancouver Harbour Commission, 2390. Vancouver Island public works engineer, 3399.
Victoria rifle range, 3398.
Weights and measures inspection, 2591.
Skinner's Cove works, 809.
Slack, W. F„ dismissal of, 921.
Slag. See Basic.
Smith, H. T., emploment of, 812.
Smith, Mr. Wm. (South Ontario)
Budget, 2698.
Free wheat, 2699.
Mixed farming, 2700.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3838.
Horse breeding, 3502.
Privilege, 3114.
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Sorel. See St. Joseph de Sorel.
Soulanges Canal, 2989, 2994.
Employees, 2179, 2263.
Souris rifle range, 1435, 1694, 1783, 4567.
South African hay contracts, 1020.
South America trade development association, 1693.
Southampton Railway Company, 1455, 3009.
South Bruce letter boxes, 353.
Southport fish hatchery, 3112.
Spanish Ship Bay wharf, 3055, 3111.
Speaker (Hon. T. S. Sproule), rulings and statements of. See also Parliamentary Procedure.
Adjournment motion on question of privilege, 4958.
Amendment increasing money grant ruled out, 3956.
Amendments, allegations of fact in, 4671.
Answer of minister must be accepted^ 705.
Answers to questions Discussion of, 871.
Lengthy, 1062.
Anticipating notice on Order Paper, 879,
Bills
Certain amendments irregular, 5034. Divorce bills, right of Commons to hear evidence on, 4880.
On motion to refer back report, evidence not debatable, 4885.
Extraneous matter not debatable on third reading, 4903.
Limit of debate on second reading, 1130. Must be read a second time before reference to select committee, 1750.
No debate on motion for first reading, 619.
On amendment, discussion must be limited to same, 4646.
On introduction, may be explained, but not debated, 3054.
On Senate amendments, general discussion not admissable, 4893.
Shipping bill to be introduced by resolution, 743.
Ex-member, statement affecting, not a question of privilege, 1119.
Extracts unread not to be reported, 2698.
Government business on Thursdays, 706.
House of Commons Post Office, 3236.
Library and reading room, closing of, 4215.
Staff, appointments to, 94, 399, 2686, 4954, 5268, 5271.
Stationery, 1370.
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Improper motives, imputation of, to Gov.
ernment unparliamentary, 2009. Incorrect report not a question of privilege, 3455.
Jallet, N., widow of, 1067.
Newspaper articles, irregular to base charges on, 705.
Notices of motion must be taken in regular order, 1362.
Order in the House, 4370, 4411, 4415. Orders of the Day, debatable questions inadmissable on, 477, 511, 4215. Petition rejected, 2840.
Privilege, questions Of, 343, 705, 1119, 2016, 2085, 3455.
Questions
Irregular, 2017, 2082, 2592.
Statements of fact in, 4561.
Without notice, 285, 475, 477, 511. Quoting evidence not reported to House irregular, 1344.
Senate, the, to speak disrespectfully of, not allowable, 2596.
Substantive motions, closing of debate on, 464, 1368.
Supply, Committee of, without question put; interpretation of rule, 306, 512, 521, 522.
Unparliamentary expression: ' Boozarium,' 2084.
Voting, member abstaining from, 2021.
Steamship subsidies, 956, 2913, 2923. See also Post Office.
Steel. See Iron and Steel.
Steel barrels, manufacture of, 1534.
Steele, Mr. M. (South Perth)
Budget, 2743.
Prosperity of Canada, 2743.
Taxation, 2744.
*Agricultural implements, 2745.
Free wheat, 2746.
Cost of living, 2750.
Milling industry, 2752.
Ocean freight rates, 2930.
Pollution of navigable waters, 1746.
Steffansson expedition. See Karluk.
Stevens, Mr. H. H. (Vancouver)
Alaska-Yukon Railway,. 1433.
Budget, 2879.
Fiscal policies, 2881.
uw- trade vs. protection, 2883.
Taxation, 2886.
Free wheat, 2889.
Burrard Tunnel and Bridge Company, 765. Canadian Northern Railway, 4668. Immigration, Asiatic, 1232, 2639, 5026. Indian Act Amendment, 3547.
Labour conditions on Vancouver Island, 546.
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Money Lenders Act Amendment, 201. Naturalization. 4150.
Stewart, Mr. Thos. J. (West ^Hamilton)
Conferences, expenses of, 570.
Stone, tariff on, 3115. See also Brantford Public Building.
Strathcona, Lord, death of, 91, 165.
Strong, Heath, payments to, 1116.
Submarine bell floats, 668.
Subsidies
Mail and steamship, 2913, 2923. Provincial, 344.
Railway, 355.
Sunny Brae mails, 2309.
Supply Bills
For $52,253,007.71. Res., 2378. lr„ 2r., com. and 3r., 2378.
For $127,831,037.86. Res., lr., 2r., com. and 3r., 5271.
For details see titles of departments and subjects.
Supreme Court Act (appeals) Amendment
Bill, lr., 3251.	2r„ 3462. Com., 3462.
3r., 3462.
Sussex public building. 1694.
Sutherland, Mr. Donald (South Oxford) Budget, 2815.
Free wheat, 2816.
Agricultural implements, 2819.
Fiscal policies, 2821.
Experimental farms, 1105.
Farmers Bank, 4788, 4911.
Fenian raid veterans, 4362.
Grain Bill, 3575.
Privilege, question of, 3114.
Sydney as an ocean port. 4081.
Tadousac wharf, 2309.
Tariff (Customs) Bill. Res., 3037, 3058, 3114. lr., 3160.	2r„ 4335. Com., 4335.	3r„
4426, 4433.
Amendments proposed
Mr. Loggie, 3052; div., 3106.
Mr. A. K. Maclean, 4426.
See also Budget.
Tariff questions, 1358, 1511.
Tar sand deposits, 1811.
Tatamagouche and Bruit; mails, 3208.
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Tate, William, compensation to, 4967
8echnical education, 355, 568, 3054, 4888, 5206.
Telephone system authorized, 804.
Telescope for observatory, 344.
Terminal elevators, 1646-1666, 3161, 3575-3587.
Terrebonne postmaster, 1019.
Thoburn, Mr. William (North Lanark) Haultain, Chief Justice, judgment of, on Saskatchewan Companies Act, 1265. Vineberg, Helen, divorce bill, 4671, 4881.
Thompson, Mr. Alfred (Yukon)
Budget, 2801.	'
Tariff, 2802.
Yukon, the, 2804.
Free wheat, 2804.
Free trade, 2807.
Government of the Yukon, 1833.
House of Commons rooms, 2080.
Mines Department estimates, 1811, 1814. Radium-bearing ores, 1814.
Tar sand deposits, 1811.
Telegraph service, 5237.
Yukon Placer Mining Act, 3966.
Thomson, Mr. Levi (Qu'Appelle)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 271.
Agricultural implement duties, 1560. Budget, 2809.
Tariff Commission, 2809.
Free wheat, 2810.
Agricultural implements, 2814.
Butter, manufacture of, 3165.
Canadian Northern Railway, 4407.
Capital punishment, 499.
Farmers Bank, 4926.
Government officials in politics, 1839. Naturalization, 4140.
Thorburn railway communication, 701.
Thornton, Mr. Chas. J. (Durnam)
Cigarettes, prohibition of, 1476.
Three Rivers
Mails, 2014.
Military camp, 3509.
Post office, 2688.
Preventive officer, 473.
Public buildings, 569.
Tide Head salmon pound, 1692.
Tips Bifl. See Secret Commissions.
Titles of Honour Bill. lr., 4. M. for 2r.,
479; negatived, 482.
Tobacco culture, 1147, 1373, 2958, 5200.
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Cookshire public building, 2960.
Denison, J. R., dismissal of, 3209, 3640, 5259.
Desmarais, A., dismissal of, 1389.
Disraeli wharf, 1435.
Girard, Mr., employment of, 4559.
Land grants, 1916.
Megantic public building, 2960.
Post Office estimates, 3633, 3640.
Richmond and Wolfe
Experimental farm, 1534, 1694, 2015. Public buildings, 1694, 4294.
St. George's Club, Sherbrooke, 3425. Weedon public building, 5214.
Tobique Indian reserve, 816, 1218, 1359, 1535, 1915, 2590, 3534.
Toronto Harbour Commissioners. See Toronto Terminals Bill.
Toronto harbour works, 812.
Toronto Terminals Bill, lr., 3784.	2r„ 3880.
Com., 3880.	3r., 3880.
Townsend, N. T., resignation of, 2436.
Trade, balance of, adjustment of, 2016.
Trade and Commerce
Bulletins, 474.
Department estimates, 315, 881, 927, 2376, 2913, 2923.
Transatlantic mail service, 94, 376, 577, 1645, 2915, 3226, 5030, 5043.
Transportation, 2971-2986, 3871-3880,	4090-
4112, 5082-5106. See also Ocean.
Travelling expenses of ministers, 610.
Trawling, steam, 471.
Trent Canal
Construction, 1958, 4163, 5109.
Investigation, 1817, 4940-4947, 4975-4997. Water-powers, 2177, 2789, 4162.
Trent Valley Woollen Manufacturing Company, 2177.
Truax, Mr. R. E. (South Bruce)
Chesley post office, 664.
Customs undervaluation, 3318.
Trust Companies Bill, lr., 793.	2r., 1125.
Com., 2903.	3r., 2963.- Senate amdts,
4891.
Tubing, brass-covered, tariff on, 3152
Turgeon, Mr. Onesiphore (Gloucester)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Redistribution of representation, 112. National Transcontinental Railway, 115.
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Highways improvements, 116. Reciprocity, 117.
Naval defence, 120.
Bathurst harbour, 348, 4212.
Budget, 2690.
Militia expenditures, 2691.
Free trade, 2693.
Agricultural implements, 2694.
Steel industry, 2697.
Dismissals, 430, 785, 1181.
Fishing disaster:	proposed Government
aid, 5194.
Fishing industry, 2402, 2415.
Government officials in politics, 348. House of Commons representation, 862. Intercolonial Railway Aird, Wm., employment of, 895.
Canadian Pacific Railway traffic agreement, 605.
King, Samuel, employment of, 895. Management, 3309.
Moncton property purchase, 2786. Williams, T., employment of, 895.
Library of Parliament, 1780.
National Transcontinental Railway investigation, 2164,
Navigation, schools of, 752.
Quebec bridge, 4559.
St. John Valley Railway, 3034.
Senate representation, 5295.
Steel industry, 1532, 3034.
Turriff, Mr. John G. (Assiniboia)
Agricultural implements, Customs valuation of, 2958.
Budget, 2510.
Trade conditions, 2510.
Wheat markets, 2512.
Agricultural implements, 2516, 2520.
Cut stone duty, 2525.
Reciprocity with the United States, 2526. Freight rates, 2528.
Privilege, 2546.
Stone, dressed, tariff on, 3119, 3124.
Trust companies, 2904.
20th Battery, 1361, 2263.
Twine, tariff on, 3157.
Typhoid. See Pollution of navigable waters.
Ulster. See Home Rule.
Union Life Insurance Company, 723, 926, 2374.
Valcartier artillery camp, 924.
Valleyfield
Dam, 2992.
Dredging, 2992.
Excise revenues, 2958.
Wharf, 5234.	.
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Drill hall, 362, 892, 1021, 1117.
Orange Lodge Home Rule resolution, 2(85. Rented buildings, 2957.
Vancouver Harbour Commissioners Bill, lr., 2175.	2r„ 2388. Com., 2388.	3r„ 2392.
Vancouver Island
Colliery strke. See Labour.
Engineer, 3399.
Vaudreuil wharfs, 574.
Verville, Mr. Alphonse (Maisonneuve) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Cost of living, 249.
Unemployment, 249.
Canadian Northern Railway, 3981.
Capital punishment, 508.
Chambly canal, 4558.
Civil Service, 4444.
Criminal Code amendment (firearms and detectaphone), 467.
Dismissals, 1375.
Employment bureaus, 1818.
Industrial Disputes Act, 1022.
Great West Saddlery Company and labour, 4594.
Iron workers and fair wages, 1115.
Labour
Department and Minister, 649.
Fair wage officers, 5202, 3709.
Hours on public works, 4.
Importation of workmen, 357.
Montreal harbour, on, 5203.
Wages on public works, 357.
Lachine canal, 1782, 1913.
Militia, 4594. '
Montreal Pilots, 1117.
Public works staff, 1435, 5241.
Resident engineer, 1117, 2439.
Rules of the House, 706.
Smith, H. T., employment of, 812.
South America Trade Association, 1693. Technical education, 5206.
Unemployment, 249, 1617.
Vancouver Island strike, 572, 1267.
Victoria county, N.S., Government telegraph service, 1359.
Victoria Day, 1916.
Victoria Memorial Museum, 1882.
Victoria
Naval volunteers, 1914.
Rifle range, 3398.
Vincent, J. U„ appointment of, 340, 1406, 1427.
Volunteer Bounty Bills
Mr. Sam. Hughes:	Res., 3363. lr., 3396.
2r„ 4339. Com., 4339.	3r„ 4367.
Mr. Roche:	Res., 1396. lr., 1400. 2r., 1611.
Com., 1611.	3r„ 1611.
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Privilege, 3114.
Wallace; Mr. Thomas G. (Centre York) Victoria Day, 1916.
Warnock, Mr. David (Macleod)
Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Free wheat, 301.
Aid to agriculture, 303.
Animals, health of, 3177.
Budget, 2701.
Grazing leases, 2702.
Cattle quarantine, 2704.
Agricultural implements, 2706.
Steel duties, 2708.
Mixed farming, 2709.
Forest reserves, 3557.
Grazing areas, 4152.
Horse breeding, 3495.
Western Dominion Railway, 3473.
Water powers, 3323, 4153. Sec also Trent-Canal.
Waterways. See International.
Watrous postmaster, 3715.
Webster, Mr. John (Brockville)
Budget, 2668.
Dairying industry, 2670.
Reciprocity, 2672.
Butter, manufacture of, 3164.
Weedon public building, 5214.
Weichel, Mr. William G. (North Waterloo) Budget, 2709.
Wire fencing, 2710.
Trade of Germany, 2711.
Agricultural implements, 2714.
Free food, 2716.
Canadian Peace Centenary Association, 970.
San Francisco exposition, 3254.
Weights and Measures Act Amendment Bill.
lr., 1359. 2r., 1753. Com., 1753. 3r., 1756
Weights and Measures, inspection of, 2591. Welland canal, 925, 2963, 5108.
West Branch mail service, 924.
West Indies
Cable, 955.
Steamship service, 439, 956.
Trade, 882, 927, 2015.
Trade commissioner, 440.
Westmorland harbours, 443.
Wharfs, revenue from, 368.
Wheat. See Free Wheat.
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Georgian Bay canal, 1055, 2983.
Petawawa camp, 3448.
Railway mail clerks, 3241.
White, Hon. W. T. (Minister of Finance) Address in reply to Governor General's Speech
Naval defence, 61, 79.
Financial conditions, 62.
Cost of living, 69, 79.
Tariff, 74, 77.
Aid to agriculture, 76.
Agricultural implements, tariff on, 3140. Bank rates of interest, 5199.
Bounties, 2464. See also Pig Iron and Iron and steel industry.
British Trust Company, 1416.
Budget, 2440.
Revenue and expenditure, 2441.
Special subsidies to railways, 2443. Loans maturing, 2444.
Net debt, 2446.
Financial conditions, 2446.
Trade conditions, 2447.
Immigration, 2450.
Tariff, 2451.
Wheat and flour, 2452.
Iron and steel, 2453.
Agricultural implements, 2459.
Caustic soda, 2463.
Brass, 2464.
Bounties, 2464.
Flax industry, 2464.
Surtax, 2465.
Canadian Government loan flotations, 5106. Canadian Northern Railway, 1265, 3929, 4045, 4525, 4526.
Capital Planning Commission, 2373, 5196. Civil Service, 4437, 4448, 4450.
Civil Service insurance, 1751, 1871.
Civil Service superannuation, 5365. Correction of press report, 1433.
Farmers Bank, 3518, 4675, 4894, 4913. Insurance Bill, 1688, 3199.
Iron and steel industry, 1524, 2453, 2464, 3160.
Loan companies, 1128, 4717.
Old age pensions, 1354.
Pig iron drawback, 3210, 3511.
Post Office saving banks, 5199.
Potatoes, tariff on, 3052, 3095.
Prudential Life of Canada, 3478, 3506. Quebec Battlefields Commission, 3636, 3890. Sterling Trusts Corporation, 1417.
Tariff, 74, 77, 2451, 3037, 3095, 3115-3147, 4335, -4426.
Trust companies, 1125, 4891.
Union Life Insurance Company, 2374.
White, Mr. William H. (Victoria, Alta.) Agricultural implement duties, 1599. Government officials in politics, 1837. Homestead regulations, 3356.
Militia, 5010.
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White Water lake, 1331.
Wilcox, Mr. Oliver J. (North Essex)
Budget, 2557.
Surpluses, 2558.
Protection, 2559.
Transportation, 2560.
Development of Canada, 2562.
Free trade and protection, 2566.
Rural mails, 2572.
Pledges redeemed, 2573.
Dismissals, 1002.
Dressed stone tariff, 3123.
Technical education, 568.
Wilson, Mr. Charles A. (Laval)
Archives Department, 1773.
Capital punishment, 503, 1731.
Dredging, Des Prairies and Rivi&re Jesus, 1731, 1735, 5234.
House of Commons representation, 5317. Italian immigration, 1633.
Judges' salaries, 1939.
Orange Lodges and the French language, 2081.
Penitentiaries inquiry, 571.	*
Privilege, 2016.
Roy, Dr. J. N., mission of, 698.
Windsor
Fish hatchery, 1535.
Immigration office, 5028.
Winnipeg Joint Railway Terminals Bill.
lr„ 3454.	2r., 3558. Com., 3558.	3r„
3621.
Winter, Lt.-Col., C. F., employment of, 2840.
Wireless Telegraphy, 349, 1207, 5183. See also Poulsen.
Wishart, A., commutation of sentence of, 4367.
Woodstock Dominion building coal supplies, 569.
Wrecking plants, 761.
Wright county post offices, 445.
Wright, Mr. William (Muskoka)
Canada Temperance Act, 1761.
Tariff, 3063.
Yarmouth
Harbour, 1015, 2309.
Live stock purchases, 665, 2308.
Rural mail, 570.
Yarmouth North post office, 816.
Young, Angus, customs officer, 669.
Yukon
Government of, 1833.
Judgeship, 4022.
Yukon Placer Mining Bill. lr., 3859.	2r..
3965. Com., 3965.	3r., 3967.
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