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Tags: <substitutions><pork><chinese-cuisine><vegetarian><stir-fry>
Title: Vegetarian replacement for pork mince in Chinese style stir fry
Question: In Chinese cuisine it's very common to start a vegetable stir fry with a bit of minced meat, typically pork, to give the dish a deeper flavor. To make a vegetarian version I usually just leave this out, but I've been wondering if something else would give a similar effect taste-wise.  Typical meat replacements like tofu or seitan don't work here because they focus on providing the texture and protein of meat, but not so much the flavor.

Answers:
sents: text: It seems like you are primarily interested in reproducing the umami of the meat.
text: Tofu does in fact have glutamic acids that will add to the umami; just make sure to thoroughly dry the tofu (extracting as much liquid as possible) before use.
text: In addition, you can use minced mushrooms, as Stephie mentioned in the comments .
text: You can also experiment with adding Bragg's Liquid Aminos, since it has a lot of umami but has less than half the sodium of soy sauce.
text: Keep in mind, though, that the meat in the original recipe is also relied upon for its fat; tofu does have some fat, but not as much as meat, and it's unlikely to render out during the initial fry.
text: Therefore, I would suggest adding 7 grams of fat (e.g., vegetable oil) for every 100g of meat you are replacing.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/5600/ESultanik
score: 9
sents: text: Let's recapitulate the textural options you have: Crumbled firm tofu, sauteed (with or without some soy sauce and/or wheat paste - mind
text: the color you want too!)
text: Brunoised
text: /minced fresh/reconstituted shiitake mushroom (potent taste, and you get a great stock from rehydrating :) ), sauteed.
text: Brunoised/minced "perfectly normal, western mushroom" (Cremini, Champignon or whatever it is locally called :) ), sauteed thoroughly.
text: TVP mince, cooked in strong soy sauce broth.
text: Firm (baked) seitan, chopped.
text: Now about the umami you are missing: Most of the things mentioned are absorbent (mushrooms, crumbled tofu...), so they will soak up umami rich sauces when sauteed with them, especially when you add them when most of the water is fried out.
text: Other are made with or cooked in a liquid (seitan, TVP).
text: So let's look at some umami sources we have: Soy sauce.
text: Try korean gukganjang (strong, but doesn't discolor things much).
text: Shiitake broth.
text: Or Soy sauce with shiitake extract (commercially sold).
text: Or a full shiitake + kombu dashi.
text: Tian mian jiang (sweet bean sauce).
text: Nutritional yeast.
text: Straight, unapologetic MSG.
text: Doenjang (strong taste) or Miso.
text: Minced fermented black beans.
text: Marmite.
text: Various Chinese pickled vegetables (strong taste).
text: Doubanjiang (strong taste).
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/35312/rackandboneman
score: 7
sents: text: Jackfruit supposedly works well as a pork substitute.
text: [ Source ].
text: When jackfruit is ripe, it has a sweet taste and can be used in desserts but
text: when it’s unripe, the taste is savory .
text: The texture is similar to chicken and pork and is often called “vegetarian meat.”
text: The part of the fruit used as a meat substitute is the fleshy coating around the seeds.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/45063/theforestecologist
score: 2
sents: text: Serious Eats used a dry fried minced mushrooms to substitute for, in that case, beef in a dish.
text: I don't know if it will substitute for pork mince in the same way, having no firsthand experience, but it may be worth trying.
text: The results are, reportedly, rich and savory and deeply flavored, lots of umami - which sounds like it would do a similar job of adding depth and flavor to your stir fry, even if the specific flavor added is different.
text: To make the mushroom mince, they used button mushrooms, well minced and fried until the water had mostly evaporated out and they were deeply browned, and added them to the minced mushrooms they had on hand from the broth in that recipe.
text: With a bonus of very mushroom-flavored oil, to fry in.
text: That's a nice addition, adding flavor and, also, fat (since meats usually add both).
text: For your stir fry, it seems like a similar substitution might work - start with a few minced mushrooms, making sure they get quite dry and brown by the time you're done.
text: They should give the flavor some of that extra depth and savoriness, just as a meat mince would do.
text: You might want soy sauce or liquid aminos or even something like kombu to touch up the umami flavor a bit more - your stir fry might need a little more since that recipe had other flavors to rely on.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/47365/Megha
score: 1
sents: text: Don't know many dishes that start with pork mince because my experience is limited to North China, mostly Beijing.
text: There, mince was added to noodles mostly; with veg was eggplant, sometimes mushrooms; and of course in Mao Po Tofu.
text: I believe it's the mince browning that adds the flavor.
text: Getting some good caramelized flavor can be done by adding just a bit of sugar -very typical in wide range of recipes- allowing to really brown.
text: Also, black vinegar from Shanxi adds some caramel flavor.
text: Consider also adding just pork seasoning: a bit of 5 spice.
text: Not really a sub
text: but adds depth: couple of drops of szechuan oil (prickly ash)with dribble of toasted sesame oil, replacing a bit of plain cooking oil.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/6638/Pat Sommer
score: 1
sents: text: You could try pressed bean curd.
text: If you chop it up, it might have a similar texture, and it does provide protein.
text: It comes in plain and seasoned kinds that you can try.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/39153/fuzzy_onesie
score: 0
sents: text: This idea works for me when I'm cooking Italian-style foods, but it should translate to Chinese cooking with some modifications.
text: I use green lentils, cooked through and then mashed and spiced.
text: For Italian-style, I use cumin, smoked paprika, nutmeg, salt and pepper.
text: For Chinese, I would suggest some hoi-sin sauce, with cumin and ground coriander.
answer_details: author: cooking.stackexchange.com/users/611/Carmi
score: 0

Summary of the answers:
Tofu, TVP mince, firm (baked) seitan, jackfruit, mushrooms, green lentils and other ingredients can add to the umami and texture, especially when paired with an umami-rich sauce like liquid aminos, soy sauce or black vinegar.
Pork mince is considered easy to replace in Chinese stir fry. Possible ingredients include seitan, tofu, jackfruit and lentils. The missing caramelized flavor, on the other hand, can be achieved using a little sugar or some black vinegar.