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[01:31] <IrcsomeBot1> g_padua was added by: g_padua |
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[01:35] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> Hello friends … I forgot my root password and can't access the computer. Already tried to hold Shift in the initialization, but no good, Grub does not shows up. |
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[02:01] <IrcsomeBot1> <YesEyeCan> @TJ Wolf, Do you have any additional drives active? I'm not sure why but this problem has been popping up lately |
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[02:28] <IrcsomeBot1> Giao Linh was added by: Giao Linh |
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[03:25] <brae> is this server still active? |
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[03:29] <IrcsomeBot1> <YesEyeCan> Yea |
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[03:46] <brae> any of you using zorin os |
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[03:47] <brae> ubuntu? |
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[10:20] <MrSassyPants> diogenes_, yes, sddm starts X. But how do I fix the issue? I guess I have to edit a config file so sddm is started later? |
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[10:25] <diogenes_> MrSassyPants, you can set the service to start after another specific service has started, it's systemd. |
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[10:27] <MrSassyPants> even adding the driver module to the modules.conf equivalent doesn't seem to make sure the sound device is loaded before sddm causes the system to tally sound drivers |
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[10:28] <MrSassyPants> could be wrong on the causality here, all I know is that if I log out and back in, the sound device appears, but if I plain kill X to force a reset, it doesn't. |
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[10:29] <MrSassyPants> anyone know whats happening there? |
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[10:30] <MrSassyPants> the sound device would be snd_hda_intel , and until I logged out and back in again, the kde sound system only recognizes spdif, not normal line out |
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[10:30] <diogenes_> systemctl list-units | grep -i aud |
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[10:31] <IrcsomeBot1> Kaiser LEONA was added by: Kaiser LEONA |
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[10:31] <MrSassyPants> loaded active plugged for the matching driver (right now only spdif is displayed in kde) |
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[10:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Kaiser LEONA> (Photo, 515x738) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/NvNoLQvo/file_39101.jpg |
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[10:40] <MrSassyPants> Oh. just killing pulseaudio actually fixes it. This seems to be a pulseaudio problem |
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[11:17] <Mamarok> MrSassyPants: that's weird, sounds like a bug |
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[11:26] <MrSassyPants> pulseaudio guys suspect it's pipewire |
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[11:26] <MrSassyPants> how do I properly stop pipewire from being started without breaking things for good |
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[11:26] <MrSassyPants> so I can test this |
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[11:33] <MrSassyPants> I failed at "disabling" pipewire with systemctl, but apt-removing it has fixed the issue. Take note. |
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[11:35] <MrSassyPants> pulseaudio guys request I get this up with kubuntu devs |
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[11:36] <MrSassyPants> They say the issue would be fixed with versions >= 0.3.13 of pipewire |
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[11:36] <Mamarok> yes, as I said, this sounds like a bug |
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[11:36] <MrSassyPants> anyhow, the version that I have in the repo right now (and has caused this problem) is 0.3.10-4 |
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[11:37] <Mamarok> funnily enough I have the same version, but not your problems |
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[11:37] <MrSassyPants> So this may happen to more people |
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[11:37] <MrSassyPants> yeah, it's basically a race condition where pipewire accesses the soundcard and locks it briefly and this just happens to coincide with when pulseaudio is doing the same |
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[11:38] <MrSassyPants> and then pulseaudio can't tally the sound device |
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[11:38] <Mamarok> What I don't understand is why pipewire is needed in the first place |
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[11:38] <MrSassyPants> a simple pulseaudio -k fixes it |
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[11:38] <MrSassyPants> I have no idea, I have apt removed it and everything seems to be fine. |
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[11:39] <Mamarok> makes jsut one more sound server potentially causing havoc |
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[11:39] <Mamarok> and sound already is a tricky beast |
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[11:41] <MrSassyPants> I'm not sure it's part of the standard kubuntu install, I may have installed it as a dependency of a dependency of a gnome-centric thing |
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[11:42] <Mamarok> it is nbeeded if you use Wayland instead of X |
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[11:42] <MrSassyPants> I am running Xorg though |
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[11:42] <Mamarok> that's why it is automatically installed |
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[11:43] <Mamarok> so you don't need it, at least not for now |
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[11:43] <MrSassyPants> well, make sure you get >= 0.3.13 into the repo |
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[11:43] <MrSassyPants> asap. This problem only popped up a few days ago |
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[11:43] <Mamarok> where did you report this? because you are talking about talking with other people, but did you report this as a bug to Kubuntu? |
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[11:44] <MrSassyPants> I did not report this as a bug to kubuntu |
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[11:44] <Mamarok> please do |
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[11:44] <MrSassyPants> I talked to the pulseaudio guys |
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[11:44] <Mamarok> because you want it to be changed in Kubuntu, so you need to report it |
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[11:44] <MrSassyPants> I don't do bug reports. bug report related PTSD. I'm just verbally informing you |
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[11:45] <Mamarok> which means it will disappear in Nirvana |
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[11:45] <Mamarok> bug reports are important |
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[11:45] <Mamarok> becuaase you are hit by a race condition that might not hit other people |
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[11:45] <Mamarok> so unless it is reported there is no paper trail of it |
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[11:46] <MrSassyPants> yeah, this version of pipewire has been installed for 3 weeks, but it only started happening this week after I did a (possibly completely unrelated) update |
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[11:47] <Mamarok> I don't even know the original problem you were hit with, not in my timeline here |
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[11:47] <MrSassyPants> the update may have changed the exact timings at which pulseaudio and pipewire do their things |
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[11:47] <Mamarok> IRC is definitely the wrong place to report this |
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[11:47] <Mamarok> we need a bug report that sums up the problem |
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[11:47] <MrSassyPants> Oh. Booting the system causes the sound device to be recognized incorrectly in the kde sound thingy |
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[11:47] <Mamarok> again, please report this |
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[11:48] <MrSassyPants> I at first thought the problem was SDDM related (SDDM starting too early before sound devices are fully initialized) but then noticed a simple pulseaudio -k fixes it |
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[11:49] <MrSassyPants> so I dug into pulseaudio and they immediately named pipewire as a suspect, I confirmed that it was running and that removing it resolved the problem (of sound devices not being fully available after booting, until i kill the pulseaudio server) |
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[11:49] <Mamarok> you do realise that I am not a developer, the Kubuntu devss might not be around in this channel right now and you repeating the issue might again go to Nirvana? |
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[11:49] <Mamarok> BG Report, Please! |
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[11:49] <Mamarok> s/BG/Bug/ |
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[11:51] <MrSassyPants> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pipewire/+bug/1897965 already exists |
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[11:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1897965 in pipewire (Ubuntu) "PulseAudio doesn't work when pipewire is installed (ie. KDE)" [Medium,Triaged] |
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[11:51] <Mamarok> please add more information there, then |
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[11:56] <Mamarok> you said: <MrSassyPants> They say the issue would be fixed with versions >= 0.3.13 of pipewire" who is "They"? |
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[11:56] <MrSassyPants> pulseaudio devs |
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[11:56] <Mamarok> ok, might be a good idea to add this to the bug reprt |
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[11:57] <MrSassyPants> don't worry |
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[12:04] <MrSassyPants> posted |
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[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks |
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[13:55] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> @g_padua, Can someone help me? |
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[13:55] <BluesKaj> @g_padua, just ask your question |
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[14:20] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> I cannot access Grub through pressing any keys on initialization. Forgot my root password and can't login. |
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[14:22] <BluesKaj> black screen? |
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[14:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> The Kubuntu logo appears. And some "log scrolling", "command lines", if I keep pressing Esc, or E. By pressing Pause/Power it slows down. But cannot interact. |
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[14:27] <BluesKaj> ctl+c |
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[14:28] <BluesKaj> I assume this is a new kubuntu installation ? |
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[14:38] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> It's not new. Ctrl+C doesn't go either. |
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[15:59] <IrcsomeBot1> <Giao Linh> used to work fine |
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[16:04] <IrcsomeBot1> <E A> Kde kuralım dedik ama herkes İngilizce yazıyor. Hadi bana güle güle 😉 |
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[16:04] <TomTom> I updated from 20.04. to 20.10. but pulseaudio has now a problem. I have to kill (`pulseaudio -k`) and restart it after each login to get sound. |
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[16:04] <TomTom> This is found in the log: Nov 20 16:20:53 ws-thackel-01 pulseaudio[1229]: Failed to load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic" card_name="alsa_card.pci-0000_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic" namereg_fail=false tsched=yes fixed_latency_range=no ignore_dB=no deferred_volume=yes use_ucm=yes avoid_resampling=no |
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[16:04] <TomTom> card_properties="module-udev-detect.discovered=1""): initialization failed. |
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[16:57] <IrcsomeBot1> <g_padua> @Giao Linh, Guess my only option is to erase the whole SSD them |
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[17:34] <user|2449> Hi, i need drivers for Brother printer mfc 7440n, is possible? |
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[18:30] <Mamarok> TomTom: don't, this is a known bug, removing pipewire should do the trick |
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[18:30] <Mamarok> unless you absolutely need it for wayland |
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[19:02] <TomTom> Mamarok: thanks. i purged pipewire and now i have all devices in my kmixer without restarting pulseaudio. also the error message is not there. thanks! |
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[19:06] <Sorocaba> Hi. I am trying to use zoom and they ask for password? |
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[19:07] <Mamarok> TomTom: the bug is fairly new, I learned about it today |
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[19:07] <Sorocaba> How can I solve it? |
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[19:07] <Mamarok> Sorocaba: not Kubuntu related, I bet |
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[19:08] <Sorocaba> Okay. but is there some how I can fix it? |
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[19:08] <TomTom> Mamarok: i also searched before i asked here, but found nothing obvious (for me). again thanks. i bet i would have lived half a year with the "kill/restart" solution B-) |
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[19:19] <Mamarok> TomTom: it surfaced in the last few weeks apparently, but the problem is identified and should get fixed with the next pipewire version |
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