| [02:21] <callmepk> good morning | |
| [02:45] <duflu> Morning callmepk | |
| [04:47] <jibel> Good morning | |
| [05:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers | |
| [05:42] <didrocks> good morning | |
| [05:49] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks | |
| [05:51] <jibel> bonjour didrocks oSoMoN | |
| [05:52] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN & jibel | |
| [05:56] <duflu> Morning jibel, oSoMoN, didrocks | |
| [06:12] <oSoMoN> salut jibel | |
| [06:12] <oSoMoN> hey duflu | |
| [06:27] <luna_> morning | |
| [06:39] <didrocks> hey duflu | |
| [06:39] <didrocks> & luna_ | |
| [07:27] <seb128> goood morning desktopers | |
| [07:28] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jibel oSoMoN didrocks luna_ seb128 | |
| [07:29] <didrocks> salut seb128, hey marcustomlinson | |
| [07:29] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson | |
| [07:29] <seb128> lut didrocks | |
| [07:29] <seb128> how are you today? | |
| [07:30] <didrocks> I’m good, still fighting the heat wave, but this summer will finally end one day (apparently this week-end…) | |
| [07:30] <duflu> Morning seb128 and marcustomlinson | |
| [07:31] <didrocks> and you? | |
| [07:32] <seb128> didrocks, doing alright, still no daycare today though so another busy day... | |
| [07:32] <seb128> hey duflu | |
| [07:32] <didrocks> :( good luck with that again! | |
| [07:41] <jibel> hi marcustomlinson | |
| [07:42] <jibel> salut seb128 | |
| [07:58] <Laney> ^yo | |
| [07:58] <Laney> woah what's that ^ | |
| [07:59] <didrocks> a pending character from yesterday Laney :) | |
| [08:00] <Laney> ^_^ | |
| [08:00] <Laney> ^^^^___^^^^ | |
| [08:01] <didrocks> heh | |
| [08:02] <oSoMoN> good morning luna_, seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney | |
| [08:07] <Laney> moin didrocks oSoMoN | |
| [08:25] <KGB-1> gdm signed tags 0f58277 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI | |
| [08:27] <Laney> Trevinho: did you just push a tag for an upload I did? | |
| [08:28] <KGB-2> gdm signed tags 1fb1b21 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI | |
| [08:28] <Laney> that's the one | |
| [08:29] <Trevinho> Laney: sorry, I didn't notice I had unsincronized local branch and I thought I forgot to push when i saw there was another that I thought was mine as well -_- | |
| [08:29] <Trevinho> thanks for fixing | |
| [08:36] <seb128> lut jibel , oSoMoN , hey Laney , bonjourno Trevinho | |
| [08:36] <Trevinho> Buongiorno seb128! :) | |
| [08:38] <jibel> it looks like a variation of hello in Fran-liano ;) | |
| [08:42] <seb128> :-) | |
| [08:44] <didrocks> hey Trevinho :) | |
| [08:44] <Trevinho> hi didrocks | |
| [08:47] <seb128> Laney, is there a big hammer to retry all the glib autopkgtest which failed on armhf/unknown? | |
| [08:49] <Laney> seb128: I just did it, see #ubuntu-devel | |
| [08:53] <seb128> ack, do we have a script or something tht anyone can use for that? (I feel like I already asked that and should know but I don't remember now) | |
| [08:54] <Laney> retry-autopkgtest-regressions | |
| [08:54] <Laney> but if everyone starts using it we get duplicated requests | |
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| [08:59] <seb128> ack | |
| [10:52] <ricotz> hey desktopers! | |
| [10:52] <luna_> hey | |
| [10:52] <luna_> Xorg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY | |
| [10:53] <ricotz> Trevinho, hi :), looks like your recent totem-pl-parser updates introduced several criticals leading to totem crash on startup | |
| [10:53] <Trevinho> ricotz: mhmh, which one? shouldn't be no behavior change, does it? | |
| [10:54] <ricotz> reverting to 3.26.5-1ubuntu1 made it work again | |
| [10:54] <ricotz> Trevinho, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1164024 | |
| [10:55] <Trevinho> oh... | |
| [10:55] <Trevinho> ricotz: mh, ok, will handle that, open a bug for me please | |
| [10:56] <Trevinho> ricotz: weird that i'm not getting those though | |
| [10:56] <Trevinho> meaybe need a new home? | |
| [10:57] <Trevinho> ricotz: ok in clean env.. | |
| [10:58] <ricotz> Trevinho, sorry, I am busy currently -- hmm, I see | |
| [11:13] <seb128> hey ricotz , how are you? | |
| [11:43] <ricotz> seb128, hey, I am well | |
| [11:55] <dgadomski> hello everyone | |
| [11:56] <dgadomski> I was playing with gdm 3.36.3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 from -proposed to test the fixes in multiseat handling | |
| [11:56] <dgadomski> I noticed something weird when I login on 2 separate seats as the same user - on the 2nd the login prompt disappears leaving only gdm background and nothing else happens | |
| [11:56] <dgadomski> then when I launch and app on 1st seat it is displayed on the screen of the 2nd seat (with artifacts) | |
| [11:56] <dgadomski> I'm wondering is that usecase (logging as the same user in parallel) supported | |
| [11:57] <Laney> I can't imagine that ending well | |
| [11:58] <dgadomski> yeah, so many things that may go wrong | |
| [11:58] <Laney> gdm should probably prevent it | |
| [11:59] <dgadomski> agreed, that'd make sense | |
| [11:59] <dgadomski> I'll report an upstream bug about it | |
| [11:59] <dgadomski> thanks Laney | |
| [11:59] <Laney> 👍 thanks | |
| [12:03] <jibel> Laney, thanks for the upload | |
| [12:04] <Laney> no problem | |
| [12:04] <Laney> enjoy the bugs^Whappy users | |
| [13:16] <Trevinho> ricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem-pl-parser/3.26.5-5ubuntu1 should fix the totem error | |
| [13:21] <seb128> jdstrand, reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1891338/comments/5 ... the exo-open abstraction doesn't exist in the current apparmor right? how should we handle that, wait for apparmor 3 to land to do the change? (same for Debian?) | |
| [13:21] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1891338 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor misconfigured for evince" [Undecided,In progress] | |
| [13:27] <ricotz> Trevinho, makes sense ;) | |
| [13:34] <kenvandine> seb128: looks like you and i are both retrying autopkgtests :) | |
| [13:34] <KGB-0> gnome-shell tags b67f33a Marco Trevisan upstream/3.38.0 * Upstream version 3.38.0 * https://deb.li/ikGiD | |
| [13:34] <KGB-0> gnome-shell upstream/latest 6615939 Marco Trevisan * pushed 15 commits * https://deb.li/3UkkU | |
| [13:34] <seb128> kenvandine, I wish there was an easy way to avoid requeuing something already retried :-( | |
| [13:34] <kenvandine> indeed | |
| [13:34] <KGB-0> gnome-shell pristine-tar d227475 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/i7LqF | |
| [13:35] <kenvandine> i'm looking for real failures to debug | |
| [13:35] <seb128> you are on +1? | |
| [13:35] <kenvandine> yes | |
| [13:36] <seb128> kenvandine, gnome-control-center is blocked on budgie-desktop failing, did you poke at that yet? | |
| [13:37] <kenvandine> i can look at that one | |
| [13:38] <seb128> thx | |
| [13:40] <seb128> kenvandine, but otherwise just pick things on the report, e.g https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#rsync probably needs some sorting out | |
| [13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, or https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#boxer-data | |
| [13:42] <seb128> just random things on that page usually works | |
| [13:42] <kenvandine> there are numerous failures for snapd-glib on armhf | |
| [13:43] <seb128> seems worth debugging, even if it's to make the test less flaky | |
| [13:51] <Laney> seb128: would you be interested in contributing to the codebase to make that a reality? | |
| [13:51] <Laney> or someone else? | |
| [13:51] <Laney> (not allowing duplicate retries) | |
| [13:53] <seb128> Laney, I should try to block some time for tooling work, but that's not going to be this cycle I'm afraid | |
| [13:53] <Laney> right, that's how these issues manage to stay around for ages :( | |
| [13:54] <seb128> didn't Simon or someone started on that one and had a first version up for review? | |
| [13:55] <Laney> indeed | |
| [13:56] <Laney> we should make a list of desired improvements for the next cycle's roadmap when planning, this could be one of them | |
| [13:56] <seb128> yes | |
| [14:01] <kenvandine> seb128: budgie-desktop failures are caused by gnome-control-center 3.38 breaking gnome-shell << 3.37.92 and gnome-shell is still 3.37.91 | |
| [14:02] <kenvandine> so that'll work itself out when gnome-shell is updated | |
| [14:02] <seb128> kenvandine, ah, thanks for figuring it out | |
| [14:04] <oSoMoN> Laney, I'd be interested in contributing to the tooling, but I wouldn't know where to start, so I would need some hand holding | |
| [14:05] <oSoMoN> that would be perfect for a hack day at a sprint in the future | |
| [14:05] <Laney> oSoMoN: cool! | |
| [14:05] <Laney> that would be great great greeeeaaatttt | |
| [14:15] <seb128> oSoMoN needs more hours in his days :-) | |
| [14:26] <jdstrand> seb128: oh, sorry, I was thinking that existed. aa3 is in groovy-proposed now. I'm not sure about Debian's plans for aa3 (I suspect they will take it when it is final in a few weeks) | |
| [14:27] <oSoMoN> seb128, true, days are way too short :) | |
| [14:44] <oSoMoN> Laney, seb128, didrocks999: before submitting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WGtnShrzX/, I'd like to make sure I fully understand the rationale. gnome-software in groovy is in universe, and gstreamer1.0-packagekit (in main) recommends it. Is that what generates the component mismatch? If so, why is it on those two architectures only? | |
| [14:46] * Laney meows | |
| [14:46] <Laney> OK take a look at `apt show ubuntu-desktop` on amd64 | |
| [14:47] <Laney> We added "Provides: packagekit-installer", because morally ubuntu-desktop provides that | |
| [14:47] <Laney> via the snap | |
| [14:48] <Laney> but the problem is that ubuntu-desktop is not built on all arches https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/tree/debian/control#n60 | |
| [14:49] <Laney> namely riscv64 and s390x (currently) | |
| [14:49] <Laney> so there is no Provides in effect there | |
| [14:49] <Laney> which means that germinate has to find another way to satisfy that dependency, and gnome-software coming back into main is one way to do that | |
| [14:50] <Laney> one of the ways out is just to chop that dependency out | |
| [14:50] <oSoMoN> okay, that makes it clearer. I was missing some context | |
| [14:51] <oSoMoN> so we don't want gnome-software back into main, right? | |
| [14:52] <Laney> no, the team decided it wanted to maintain that as a snap | |
| [14:55] <Laney> BTW | |
| [14:55] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/extra-germinate-output <- this is the file which let us figure that out eventually (took a while) | |
| [15:00] <oSoMoN> fossfreedom, when you have some time for it, please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-budgie.groovy/+merge/390839 | |
| [15:07] <oSoMoN> Laney, there: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/390842 | |
| [15:07] <oSoMoN> I hope the commit message summarizes correctly the rationale | |
| [15:08] <Laney> 😎 | |
| [15:08] <Laney> looks good to me! | |
| [15:09] <oSoMoN> thanks for all the context, I know understand a bit more about seeds | |
| [15:13] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers | |
| [15:14] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, I see you're an admin of ~unity7maintainers. There's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-unity seeds (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/ubuntu-seeds), is it okay to target the eoan branch or should a groovy branch be created and the seed's update.cfg be updated? | |
| [15:14] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth | |
| [15:14] <hellsworth> o/ oSoMoN | |
| [15:25] <Laney> https://discourse.gnome.org/t/new-gnome-versioning-scheme/4235 | |
| [15:25] <Laney> brave new world..! | |
| [15:25] <Laney> hey hellsworth | |
| [15:28] <oSoMoN> can a MOTU please sponsor https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/sponsoring/unity-china-video-scope.debdiff ? | |
| [15:31] <oSoMoN> almost done updating seeds and random packages for gvfs to migrate… | |
| [15:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, k | |
| [15:46] <oSoMoN> similarly to the ubuntu-unity seeds, there's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-gnome seeds at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-gnome | |
| [15:47] <oSoMoN> can a core-dev please create it? (assuming that's what needs to happen) | |
| [15:54] <Laney> oSoMoN: done for the ubuntu-gnome seeds | |
| [15:54] <Laney> I might as well just make the change | |
| [15:55] <Laney> I can't do unity but Trevinho should be able to | |
| [15:56] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks! | |
| [16:55] <Laney> hmm, glib looks slightly angry on excuses even discounting i386 woe | |
| [16:55] <Laney> good job i'm on +1 tomorrow and friday ;-) | |
| [17:10] <oSoMoN> Laney, gnome-software is gone from https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg \o/ | |
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| [19:40] <tjaalton> hellsworth: hey, is libreoffice now migrating to a snap? I see the snap version is at 7.0.1.2 while deb is older | |
| [19:45] <hellsworth> the snap is much easier to update than the deb :) but there will continue to be both the deb and the snap for libreoffice for a while | |
| [19:51] <tjaalton> yes I know | |
| [19:51] <tjaalton> especially since a snap can be updated with less restrictions..? | |
| [19:52] <tjaalton> so, since I've accepted some stable release updates recently, I should hash out a MRE for the deb with you.. :) | |
| [20:02] <tjaalton> unless there are no new point-releases to be expected anymore? | |
| [20:24] <hellsworth> oh there will be new point releases | |
| [20:27] <hellsworth> tjaalton: what did you have in mind in terms of hashing out a MRE? | |
| [20:29] <tjaalton> see the thread on ubuntu-release@ | |
| [20:34] <hellsworth> tjaalton: read the recent thread on ubuntu-release.. so are you looking for an improved SRU template I use for libreoffice specifically? | |
| [20:38] <tjaalton> hellsworth: no, needs something like the documented cases in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases | |
| [20:45] <hellsworth> tjaalton: why do we need a special case for libreoffice though? | |
| [20:51] <tjaalton> because the stable updates aren't exactly "micro" | |
| [21:04] <ricotz> tjaalton, hmm, the deb updates for libreoffice are pretty much "micro", e.g. 6.4.x in focal | |
| [21:04] <ricotz> (if you restrict this argument to the actual release version) | |
| [21:09] <tjaalton> still, it's clear it won't get accepted unless documented like the others and an exception is granted | |
| [21:09] <tjaalton> future sru's I mean | |
| [21:10] <ricotz> tjaalton, I see, there are some policy changes | |