| [00:02] <wxl> installed today's daily, rebooted, full-updated, rebooted, and all is well. so i think that linux scare that came through from the landing team is really nothing worrisome......... or it's going to affect some driver i'm not employing | |
| [00:09] <kc2bez> wxl: did you happen to check on foreign architectures? | |
| [00:10] <wxl> 1s | |
| [00:12] <wxl> it's all good kc2bez | |
| [00:15] <kc2bez> Awesome! Thanks for checking. | |
| [00:16] <wxl> thanks for fixing it :) | |
| [00:38] <wxl> so check this out: 8 seconds from launch to get Calamares to "boot up" essentially https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzRBbvxbFw/ | |
| [00:39] <wxl> not sure what we can do to fix that. harumph. | |
| [01:02] <kc2bez> 2 1/2 minute install time though. | |
| [01:03] <wxl> i know. it's just ironic i guess | |
| [01:05] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I wonder if we can start loading Calamares in the background on startup | |
| [01:05] <lubot> <tsimonq2> The only problem is that things like internet access may change | |
| [01:06] <kc2bez> I think that is actually the slow down, loading the internet things | |
| [01:06] <kc2bez> welcome and locale | |
| [01:07] <wxl> yeah it seems to me every module takes a second or so | |
| [01:07] <lubot> <tsimonq2> From my interpretation of wxl's log, it's the partition module | |
| [01:08] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I wish that log could be a bit more verbose | |
| [01:08] <wxl> i mean that's a disproprotionate hunk of it but not a huge hunk | |
| [01:08] <lubot> <tsimonq2> To break it down in terms of module and milliseconds | |
| [01:08] <wxl> that's the debug log so that IS the verbose log | |
| [01:09] <kc2bez> something like systemd analyze | |
| [01:09] <lubot> <tsimonq2> What we might be able to do is get that to be a little more precise in terms of times and figure out which specific process is taking the longest. Maybe not base it on one thing but bang it against the wall a few times and see what takes the longest on average | |
| [01:09] <wxl> i dare you to write a new issue that proposes that systemd be used to manage calamares | |
| [01:10] <kc2bez> I wasn't suggesting that XD | |
| [01:10] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Wait a minute, is this 8 seconds or 5? | |
| [01:10] <wxl> 8 | |
| [01:11] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I'm just wondering if it took you three seconds to close Cala | |
| [01:11] <lubot> <tsimonq2> It looks like it was done at :45 | |
| [01:11] <wxl> oh hah maybe XD | |
| [01:11] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Starting at :40 | |
| [01:11] <wxl> i don't think so but i can try again | |
| [01:11] <lubot> <tsimonq2> No man, look at the log XD | |
| [01:12] <wxl> ok fine 5 s | |
| [01:13] <lubot> <tsimonq2> And to be as precise as possible, it'd be cool to know exactly when the window pops up. I'd be fine with a window popping up in 1/5 or 1/10 of the total time and just showing that it's loading. The problem arises when we have more than that | |
| [01:15] <kc2bez> Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/ | |
| [01:16] <kc2bez> It complains about EFI partitions but I blame virtualbox for that. | |
| [01:16] <wxl> man i see it *every*time* | |
| [01:16] <wxl> but i have a relatively constrained vm | |
| [01:19] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Here is my most recent log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/b4Gp4D6Cb9/], That's a 4 second requirement check time | |
| [01:19] <lubot> <tsimonq2> I definitely think that we should push more precise times in these debug logs if we're looking at faster installs | |
| [01:21] <lubot> <tsimonq2> In fact, if it's not too much overhead, maybe we can even be looking at a flag to give a module by module breakdown of load time | |
| [01:21] <wxl> like [module] blah blah blah | |
| [01:21] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Yeah | |
| [01:21] <wxl> i would like to see that personally | |
| [01:21] <wxl> the logs are a mess to read | |
| [01:21] <lubot> <tsimonq2> +1 | |
| [01:21] <wxl> i think i'll write an issue about that | |
| [01:27] <wxl> hm i wonder if modules could load one at a time instead | |
| [01:28] <kc2bez> They all seem to load at the same time | |
| [01:28] <wxl> yep | |
| [01:28] <kc2bez> locale and partition seem to be the last to initialize | |
| [01:32] <kc2bez> Here is one with no network. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P82tjzsTFs/ | |
| [01:35] <kc2bez> no earth shattering revelation | |
| [01:39] <kc2bez> The JobQueue tab is always blank in the debug | |
| [01:42] <kc2bez> oh nvm | |
| [01:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3079 | |
| [02:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL783eeb66195d: Improve wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL783eeb66195d | |
| [07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL232c4cd62406: Split paragraph and add other printer options] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL232c4cd62406 | |
| [08:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL32ef0bab2371: Add Range aand copies field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL32ef0bab2371 | |
| [10:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c: merge from debian 0.14.1-12] rikmills (Rik Mills) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBFMQTPACKAGINGb75411bb141c | |
| [14:44] <lubot> <tsimonq2> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/02/msg00000.html | |
| [14:44] <lubot> <tsimonq2> wxl @kc2bez @HMollerCl @The_LoudSpeaker et al. ^ | |
| [15:13] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Oh that fail missing thing. | |
| [15:14] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> I wondered why i got it only in focal dev environment | |
| [15:21] <lubot> <kc2bez> well the option has been there it is just now default | |
| [15:22] <lubot> <kc2bez> and focal is still 12.7 | |
| [15:25] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> But i did see it running even when i haven't specified | |
| [15:25] <lubot> <The_LoudSpeaker> Oh wait no. I think my a file called for it | |
| [16:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T143: Enable i386 architecture] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T143#3080 | |
| [16:29] <wxl> yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunning services on 11 | |
| [17:34] <wxl> @kc2bez: can you please confirm my change to lubuntu-meta does indeed keep gnome from being installed in focal on the pi? | |
| [17:35] <kc2bez> I will give it a go. | |
| [17:35] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> yikes really sounds like we should ensure we don't have any packages rrunn …], I think later I'll create a task with a checklist. Whatever we end up fixing we can send to Debian | |
| [17:35] <wxl> kk | |
| [17:36] <wxl> and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth! | |
| [17:36] <wxl> maybe we need to add gdm3 :////// | |
| [17:36] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Might be worth asking Niel when he plans on tagging 13 | |
| [17:36] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> and omg we blacklist gnome-shell in the seed! wth!], That's grandfathered in from gilir days | |
| [17:36] <wxl> i know! | |
| [17:37] <wxl> wait meta doesn't have blacklists does it? | |
| [17:38] <wxl> cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metapackage | |
| [17:39] <wxl> ^ any ideas @tsimonq2 ? | |
| [17:47] <wxl> @kc2bez: i think this is waiting on you https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71 as i suggested before though it may be buggy it might be worthwhile to get it in there and play with and test | |
| [17:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] added libreoffice-qt5 package: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D71 | |
| [17:50] <lubot> <tsimonq2> @wxl [<wxl> cuz THAT would explain why we have problems only when people use the metap …], That's why we don't encourage people to use the metapackage | |
| [17:50] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Use the task instead | |
| [17:51] <wxl> i thought at this point they were all one in the same? | |
| [17:52] <wxl> if not, how does one manage the task? | |
| [17:52] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Not precisely | |
| [17:53] <wxl> kc2bez: thx wanna upload? :) | |
| [17:54] <kc2bez> One thing at a time XD | |
| [18:09] <kc2bez> How does one patch Hans' changes in rSeed ? | |
| [18:11] <wxl> kind of like normal | |
| [18:12] <kc2bez> with arc patch ? | |
| [18:12] <wxl> the end result is not an upload, though, but a push to the repo | |
| [18:12] <wxl> yeppers | |
| [18:13] <wxl> if you want to be super cool, you'll update meta to pull in that change and upload that, though | |
| [18:14] <kc2bez> seed first though | |
| [18:14] <wxl> right | |
| [18:15] <kc2bez> Do I need to arc land too? | |
| [18:16] <wxl> yeah that should do your git push | |
| [18:16] <kc2bez> ok | |
| [18:21] <kc2bez> One more crazy question; `arc land --onto focal` NOT `arc land --onto ubuntu/focal` right? It needs to follow the right branch.? | |
| [18:21] <wxl> right | |
| [18:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEED5cc2117977af: added libreoffice-qt5 package] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEED5cc2117977af | |
| [18:50] <kc2bez> wxl: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80 It doesn't look like the escaping thing is working or I did something wrong. | |
| [18:50] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add libreoffice-qt5: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D80 | |
| [18:50] <wxl> ^ indeed | |
| [18:50] <kc2bez> I'm not ruling out the latter | |
| [18:51] <kc2bez> Should I just manually fix it | |
| [18:51] <wxl> please | |
| [18:51] <kc2bez> ok | |
| [18:54] <kc2bez> Sorry, that should be fixed now. | |
| [18:54] <wxl> accepted | |
| [18:55] <kc2bez> danke | |
| [18:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAc4e1139c7fab: Add libreoffice-qt5] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAc4e1139c7fab | |
| [19:03] <lubot> <Rutvikm> @The_LoudSpeaker [@Rutvikm], Ah yes | |
| [19:04] <wxl> bitte | |
| [19:04] <lubot> <Rutvikm> @Rutvikm [Ah yes], Knew it'd be something related to development | |
| [19:34] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1: Added SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 env var in session.conf so libreoffice use qt5 VCL] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS2812e609faf1 | |
| [20:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T128: Alt-Tab and Alt-Shift-Tab feature request (openbox conf)] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T128#3083 | |
| [20:16] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14.1-9ubuntu4] | |
| [20:17] <lubot> <HMollerCl> new libfm-qt6 on focal. | |
| [20:17] <wxl> looks like @RikMills! | |
| [20:18] <kc2bez> Thanks @RikMills ! | |
| [20:44] <kc2bez> bad news wxl | |
| [20:44] <wxl> oh no | |
| [20:45] <kc2bez> Installing lubuntu-desktop now brings in plasma-desktop and gnome-shell | |
| [20:45] <wxl> whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | |
| [20:52] <lubot> <HMollerCl> Maybe because of breeze themes? | |
| [21:40] <lubot> <RikMills> (Photo, 650x144) https://i.imgur.com/MVA7lUs.jpg | |
| [21:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace? That should absolutely be a reccomends, not a depends, @RikMills. | |
| [21:46] <lubot> <RikMills> (Photo, 884x102) https://i.imgur.com/IIgl07t.jpg | |
| [21:50] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> Maybe even a suggests as opposed to a depends. After all, sddm doesn't absolutely need that particular theme. | |
| [21:52] <lubot> <RikMills> @Eickmeyer[m] [<Eickmeyer[m]> I'll bite. Why does sddm-theme-breeze depend on plasma-workspace? …], It is produced by plasma-workspace source. probably needs some of its plugins/qml maybe for its ui elements | |
| [21:53] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> Still doesn't make any sense. sddm, when it first was started, wasn't a kde project. I understand that now it's the default KDE/Plasma dm, but to assume other DEs can't use it seems odd. | |
| [21:54] <lubot> <RikMills> The breeze sddm theme is 100% kde though | |
| [21:54] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> Absolutely, and I agree. But, it's just a theme. The sddm package itself shouldn't depend on it. | |
| [21:55] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> And it looks like it doesn't, that it's a recommends. | |
| [21:56] <lubot> <RikMills> the real question is why the sddm-theme-breeze | sddm-theme is not satisfied by sddm-theme-lubuntu, as it 'provides sddm-theme' | |
| [21:56] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> So, perhaps it's the recommends being pulled in. Perhaps that should be listed in the opposite order, placing sddm-breeze-theme at a lower priority? | |
| [21:58] <lubot> <RikMills> no something else has changed 🤔 | |
| [21:58] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> I guess I'm looking at this discussion because in Studio we've considered switching from lightdm to sddm. | |
| [21:59] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> It could be that sddm-theme-lubuntu isn't in the system first. Therefore, we're looking at a race condition, @RikMills . | |
| [22:00] <lubot> <Eickmeyer> wxl: Is sddm-theme-lubuntu higher in your seed than sddm? | |
| [22:01] * Eickmeyer[m] attempts to spitball | |
| [22:03] <lubot> <RikMills> yesterdays ISO did not have it, so it is something that changed in last 24hrs | |
| [22:03] <kc2bez> It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu | |
| [22:04] <kc2bez> It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were attempting to install lubuntu-desktop on a RasPi preinstalled image. | |
| [22:05] <kc2bez> @Eickmeyer https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/seed/browse/focal/desktop$37 | |
| [22:05] <lubot> <RikMills> @kc2bez [<kc2bez> It isn't on the iso (or at least I don't think it is) @RikMills We were …], It is today! | |
| [22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> kc2bez: Yikes. It might need to be added to the blacklist then. | |
| [22:06] <kc2bez> I wrote this wrong " It isn't it also looks like we try to exclude sddm-theme-lubuntu" | |
| [22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> "!" simply uninstalls it from existing systems but doesn't prevent it from being installed in the seed. | |
| [22:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> aiui | |
| [22:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Whereas blacklist prevents it from being installed in the seed. | |
| [22:10] <kc2bez> right, I wasn't typing correctly there. | |
| [22:13] <lubot> <RikMills> Actually, it is not on the ISO. germinate is being weird | |
| [22:14] <kc2bez> That makes me feel somewhat better | |
| [22:14] <lubot> <RikMills> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-live-20200201.log | |
| [22:14] <lubot> <tsimonq2> This looks fun | |
| [22:14] <lubot> <tsimonq2> Who broke what? XD | |
| [22:14] <kc2bez> ABI BREAK | |
| [22:15] <kc2bez> XD | |
| [22:15] <lubot> <RikMills> @RikMills [https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/lubuntu/focal/daily-l …], * Chose kwin-x11 to satisfy plasma-desktop … ? Unknown recommendation plasma-thunderbolt by plasma-desktop | |
| [22:15] <lubot> <tsimonq2> XD | |
| [22:15] <lubot> <RikMills> why germinate is doing that, ***** knows | |
| [22:16] <lubot> <RikMills> anyway, it does seem to work out that lubuntu-sddm-theme is enough in the end | |
| [22:16] <lubot> <RikMills> for the iso, anyway | |
| [22:18] <lubot> <RikMills> @HMollerCl [Who did this:? libfm-qt6/focal 0.14.1-12ubuntu1 amd64 [actualizable desde: 0.14. …], it was sitting in MoM with my name on it :P | |
| [22:28] <lubot> <RikMills> I should not try to work out dep issues after a few 🍻 | |
| [22:30] <kc2bez> Sometimes that makes wisdom more sage XD | |
| [22:31] <lubot> <RikMills> Only if the person you are talking to is also half cut :P | |
| [22:32] <kc2bez> :D | |
| [22:41] <lubot> <HMollerCl> @RikMills [<reply to image>], We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed | |
| [22:41] <lubot> <RikMills> @HMollerCl [We don't have sdd-theme-breeze, do we? I remember It was blacklisted in seed], No, I misread | |