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[05:18] <RAOF> doko_: Re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/1389493 |
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[05:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1389493 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "Package dropped pulse-java.jar, breaking some development environments" [High,Confirmed] |
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[05:18] <RAOF> doko_: As far as I can tell it seems to be a largely cosmetic issue, but a sufficiently annoying one that we should resolve it. |
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[05:36] <doko> RAOF, I'm not sure how. just adding the old name as a symlink doesn't work either |
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[06:10] <RAOF> doko: Urgh. |
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[06:48] <pitti> Good mornin |
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[06:51] <ari-tczew> hello pitti |
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[06:52] <Noskcaj> Does seahorse-nautilus really need to depend on seahorse-daemon? if not, we can sync |
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[09:10] <Laibsch> now that Debian is frozen will Ubuntu default to syncing from experimental or should I file appropriate bugs for this to happen for the packages that I maintain? |
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[09:11] <LocutusOfBorg1> +1 for Laibsch question, I hope the latter |
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[09:15] <mitya57> No, we will not sync anything from rc-buggy (aka experimental) automatically. |
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[09:15] <mitya57> Please use requestsync from ubuntu-dev-tools to request syncs. |
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[09:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> happy to hear that, I hope you will consider sync from maintainer requests :) |
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[09:15] <LocutusOfBorg1> wonderful thanks |
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[09:16] <pitti> yes, manually requested syncs are no problem, we just don't want to auto-import experimental stuff without checking |
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[09:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, seems legit, I would like to avoid that too :) |
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[09:36] <Laibsch> bug 1392236 it is |
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[09:36] <ubottu> bug 1392236 in scanbd (Ubuntu) "please my packages from experimental" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392236 |
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[10:06] <Riddell> who can say why plasma-desktop isn't transitioning from proposed? |
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[10:06] <Riddell> I can see kwrited isn't happy about me removing the kwrited-data package which I'm confused about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html |
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[10:06] <Riddell> everything else should be ok |
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[10:15] <doko> RAOF, hmm, would it help to place an empty pulse-java.jar there? |
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[10:41] <cjwatson> Laibsch: We don't have a mechanism to sync all your packages from experimental; unless you fancy doing some hacking on auto-sync I don't expect to have one in the near future. Please just file explicit sync requests as needed for now |
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[10:41] <cjwatson> That is, per-upload |
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[10:42] <cjwatson> Easiest is if you get PPU rights or better for your packages, and then you can run syncpackage yourself :) |
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[10:43] <xnox> Laibsch: there is tool to do so in standard way to request syncs with the "requestsync" tool available from ubuntu-dev-tools in both ubuntu & debian. |
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[10:44] <cjwatson> xnox: He was already pointed at that |
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[10:45] <cjwatson> I just wanted to make it clear that the request in the text of bug 1392236 is not something that we actually have the technology put together to fulfil right now. |
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[10:45] <ubottu> bug 1392236 in scanbd (Ubuntu) "please sync my packages from experimental" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392236 |
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[10:48] <Laibsch> cjwatson: I'd love to get that, but my request for @ubuntu membership was rejected in 2010 because I was contributing too much and had been doing so for too long a time (I kid you not!) |
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[10:49] <Laibsch> after that experience I said to myself "WTF" and rolled over and simply ignored the nonsense process and never retried |
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[10:49] <Laibsch> it is quite a bit of work and I only needed to waste my time on an application once |
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[10:50] <Laibsch> I have pretty high clearance on bug triage in LP and I am Debian DM but apparently I need to get that @ubuntu membership for what you are suggesting and frankly, after that experience in 2010 I cannot be bothered to waste my time on the application process once again |
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[10:51] <cjwatson> Laibsch: OK, just wanted to let you know about the parameters that are available for syncing |
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[10:51] <cjwatson> Laibsch: BTW it's not true that membership is required before PPU or other similar upload access |
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[10:51] <cjwatson> Laibsch: getting upload access *grants* membership as part of it |
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[10:51] <Laibsch> really? |
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[10:52] <Laibsch> Ubuntu processes evolve fast and have gotten complicated |
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[10:52] <cjwatson> Laibsch: this has been the case as long as I can remember |
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[10:52] <Laibsch> where is the doc describing the process? |
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[10:52] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers |
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[10:53] <cjwatson> which links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/ApplicationProcess |
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[10:53] <cjwatson> I would generally say that developers should be taking this route rather than going through the general Ubuntu membership thing first |
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[10:53] <cjwatson> and again, that's pretty much always been the case - sorry if you were misadvised before |
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[10:54] <Laibsch> "Joining the Per-package Uploaders Check out the general requirements for Ubuntu Membership. " |
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[10:54] <cjwatson> yes, that means you need to meet the requirements |
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[10:54] <Laibsch> it seems to be a requirement to me |
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[10:54] <cjwatson> it doesn't mean you need to separately gain membership first |
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[10:55] <Laibsch> but I have to go through the nonsense one more time? seriously, how many times would you beg someone for a key when he told you you are TOO skilled and trustworthy? |
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[10:55] <cjwatson> you don't have to go to the people who do general membership |
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[10:55] <Laibsch> OK |
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[10:55] <Laibsch> that might help |
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[10:55] <Laibsch> ;-) |
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[10:55] <cjwatson> what this means is that the DMB will check for sustained and significant contributions as part of their process |
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[10:55] <Laibsch> I remember I had to wake up at 3 in the morning and sit around for two hours twiddling thumbs |
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[10:56] <Laibsch> to receive a rejection because I do too much |
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[10:56] <Laibsch> I am still thoroughly pissed off |
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[10:56] <Laibsch> yes, sustained and significant |
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[10:56] <cjwatson> so they check the same requirements, but you don't have to go through two committees or whatever |
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[10:56] <Laibsch> in my case too sustained (since 2005) and apparently too significant |
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[10:56] <Laibsch> :-/ |
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[10:56] <cjwatson> being granted any kind of upload access implicitly grants membership |
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[10:57] <cjwatson> (technically: because ~ubuntu-dev is a member of ~ubuntumembers) |
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[10:58] <cjwatson> I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I can't do anything about that, but I can suggest a more appropriate avenue that might yield better results |
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[10:58] <Laibsch> OK |
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[10:58] <Laibsch> that is appreciated |
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[10:58] <Laibsch> this really should not happen, I hope it never happened again, but I cannot be sure |
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[11:00] <Laibsch> I will keep my application efforts to a minimum this time, if I receive another rejection this time because "I did not proof my case" then that will be it for me. I only jump through so many hoops to be admitted as a volunteer |
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[11:00] <cjwatson> I left the community council in 2006, so I haven't been directly involved with the non-developer membership stuff since then ... |
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[11:02] <xnox> Laibsch: yeah, developer membership board focuses on checking / verifying sufficient technical skills and knoweledge of release process (to make sure one syncs/uploads the right things at the right time). Looking over your profile, it looks to me like you have sufficient technical skill to apply for PPU (per package uploader). |
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[11:02] <xnox> for the packages that you are the mainter off in Debian already. |
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[11:02] <xnox> and then you will be able to sync them yourself into ubuntu. |
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[11:02] <xnox> ps. I sit on the Ubuntu Developer Membership Board that grants such rights |
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[11:02] <xnox> Laibsch: i have never been involved in the Community governance, I gained my ubuntu membership via Developer Membership board but becoming ubuntu contributing developer first, and later a core dev. |
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[11:03] <xnox> well, cjwatson chaired the meeting / voted to approve me :-) |
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[11:03] <Laibsch> I'm sure that must help |
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[11:04] <xnox> Laibsch: nah, he was skeptical, but fair =)))))) |
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[11:05] <xnox> Laibsch: if you make application wiki page, and email it in, we can review you on the 1st of December 19:00 UTC as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda |
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[11:06] <Laibsch> I hope I won't have to be present this time? |
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[11:06] <xnox> (one needs to apply at least 2 weeks in advance of the meeting) |
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[11:06] <Laibsch> that's again middle of the night |
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[11:06] <Laibsch> the times are not good for Asia-based people |
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[11:06] <Laibsch> like I said, my application effort will be minimal, including wiki page (I will create a very simple one) |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> 19:00 UTC is not possible for me to attend |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> that's again exactly 3 AM |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> sorry, I love Ubuntu, but not that much |
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[11:10] <xnox> Laibsch: those are generally irc interractive meeting. |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> not after that experience |
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[11:10] <xnox> Laibsch: you can email, and request for an email application. |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> good |
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[11:10] <Laibsch> I wonder where my old wiki page went? |
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[11:10] <xnox> the meeting on the 15th will be at 15:00 UTC |
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[11:11] <Laibsch> I'd like not having to redo it |
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[11:11] <xnox> Laibsch: if that's any better for interractive application. |
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[11:11] <cjwatson> If you happen to know the URL, try appending ?action=info to it |
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[11:12] <Laibsch> here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie |
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[11:12] <Laibsch> found it |
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[11:12] <Laibsch> deeply buried in google ;) |
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[12:50] <ogra_> does anyone have an idea why the fix for debian bug 169922 does not seem to be in ubuntu ? |
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[12:50] <ubottu> Debian bug 169922 in mount "umount doesn't remount fs read-only if force option is also used" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/169922 |
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[12:51] * ogra_ tries to make adb on the phone actually force a readonly re-mount before killing the system on "adb reboot" ... seems "umount -f -r -a" does not work (nor does it work with a single mountpoint) |
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[12:52] <ogra_> according to that but this should work since 2004 |
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[12:54] <ogra_> s/but/bug/ |
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[13:22] <pitti> ogra_: I regularly do "mount -o remount,ro /", and that works fine |
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[13:22] <pitti> (as both dual-boot and the emulator are r/w by default, annoyingly) |
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[13:23] <ogra_> pitti, / is ro anyway ... |
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[13:23] <ogra_> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8986920/ |
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[13:23] <ogra_> or |
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[13:23] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# umount -f -r /userdata |
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[13:23] <ogra_> umount: /userdata: target is busy |
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[13:23] <pitti> ah, busy |
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[13:23] <ogra_> right |
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[13:24] <ogra_> the bug above suggests this should work though |
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[13:24] <ogra_> even when busy |
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[13:24] <pitti> well, if there are processes still having open files on that (for write mode), how is it supposed to work? |
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[13:24] <ogra_> (and indeed it is busy) |
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[13:24] <pitti> you'd break all the running processes |
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[13:25] <ogra_> thats fine, we call reboot anyway (dircet kernel call) |
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[13:25] <pitti> (but I guess that's intended) |
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[13:25] <ogra_> *direct |
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[13:25] <ogra_> i dont care about the state of the processes, but i do care about the integrity of the fs |
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[13:26] <ogra_> we see a lot of file corruption on the phone ... one of the reasons is "adb reboot" ... |
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[13:26] <ogra_> the logical option would indeed be to make it call /sbin/reboot ... but that takes long ... i would like ot keep the convenience of speedy reboots in adb |
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[13:27] <pitti> ogra_: so perhaps as a first mitigation sync; reboot -f? |
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[13:27] <pitti> (but yeah, forcibly unmounting/ro mounting would of course be betteR) |
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[13:27] <ogra_> the code already calls sync ... doe reboot -f gain me anything over the direct kernel reboot call ? |
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[13:27] <ogra_> *does |
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[13:28] <pitti> ogra_: no, reboot -f is pretty much that -- don't go through init, just reboot the kernel; that's what I meant |
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[13:28] <ogra_> yeah, well, that is what happens already |
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[13:28] <pitti> ogra_: hm, sysrq+u does forced r/o, I wonder if one can trigger that by some other means |
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[13:28] <ogra_> with the init layer ripped out inbetween |
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[13:28] <pitti> MNT_FORCE (since Linux 2.1.116) |
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[13:29] <pitti> Force unmount even if busy. This can cause data loss. (Only for NFS mounts.) |
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[13:29] <pitti> hmm |
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[13:29] <pitti> umount(8) also only talks about NFS |
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[13:30] <ogra_> well, the bug seems to actually use a real device |
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[13:30] <pitti> ogra_: ooh! |
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[13:30] <pitti> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
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[13:31] <pitti> ogra_: echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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[13:31] <ogra_> hah ! |
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[13:31] * ogra_ hugs pitti |
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[13:31] <pitti> (well, open() and fputc('u') in C, of course) |
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[13:31] <pitti> ogra_: at least sysrq+u seems to work fairly reliably for me to reboot my machine after a crash and save the fs |
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[13:31] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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[13:31] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:~# touch /userdata/foo |
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[13:31] <ogra_> touch: cannot touch ‘/userdata/foo’: Read-only file system |
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[13:31] <ogra_> \o/ |
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[13:32] <pitti> touché |
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[13:32] <ogra_> lovely |
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[13:32] <pitti> ogra_: so, write 'u', sleep(0.5), reboot()? |
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[13:33] <pitti> or maybe even just (1); the whole reboot takes long enough that an extra .5 s for your data safety probably doesn't matter |
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[13:33] <ogra_> well, adbalready has: |
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[13:33] <ogra_> 188 execl("/system/bin/vdc", "/system/bin/vdc", "volume", "unmount", |
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[13:33] <ogra_> 189 getenv("EXTERNAL_STORAGE"), "force", NULL); |
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[13:33] <ogra_> which it calls right before rebooting |
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[13:34] <ogra_> i guess i can just replace these two lines |
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[13:34] <pitti> so you are saying that this doesn't work, or it doesn't apply to our internal storage, or we need to do it for other mounts? |
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[13:34] <ogra_> we dont use /system stuff in ubuntu indeed :) |
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[13:34] <ogra_> nor do we use vdc ... |
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[13:34] <ogra_> that code is a no-op currently |
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[13:35] <pitti> aah |
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[13:35] <ogra_> but in adbd it is executed right before the reboot call to the kernel |
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[13:35] <pitti> ogra_: so yeah, sounds good |
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[13:35] <pitti> I'd still give it a second to actually sync and remount |
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[13:35] <ogra_> so for our usecase just writing to proc instead sounds good |
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[13:35] <ogra_> yeah, i can add a sleep |
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[13:36] <ogra_> that will still be miles better than using upstarts reboot though :) |
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[13:36] <pitti> right, I didn't even realize that adb reboot didn't use the "proper" reboot |
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[13:36] <pitti> it takes long enough, after all (some 5 s here) |
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[13:37] <pitti> and I use it all the time |
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[13:40] <ogra_> pitti, hah, i gues you never used a normal reboot then ... thats more in the area of 20s |
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[13:41] <pitti> ogra_: well, I did (long-press power button) |
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[13:41] <pitti> but I didn't really pay enough attention to wonder about the time difference |
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[13:41] <pitti> ogra_: but these days most of what I do with the phone is to test/fix adt-run :) |
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[13:41] <ogra_> it is quite significant ... i always prefer adb reboot |
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[13:41] <ogra_> if i do work on the phone at least |
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[13:42] <pitti> ogra_: so, thanks for fixing that! |
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[13:42] <ogra_> well, thanks for getting me on the righ track !! |
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[13:42] <ogra_> (i wouldnt have thought about sysreq ever) |
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[13:59] <pitti> smoser: ok, SRU for bug 1391354 uploaded (it's fine in vivid) |
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[13:59] <ubottu> bug 1391354 in systemd (Ubuntu Utopic) "Failure to boot ephemeral image for Utopic Fast Installer deployment: no ID_PATH for iSCSI device any more" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1391354 |
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[14:24] <mterry> wgrant, heyo -- I have a bzrlib script that I would ideally like to run even faster -- it's intent is to delete invalid tags. http://paste.ubuntu.com/8987882/ Is there a cleverer way to do this? (Or can you point me at someone else that would know?) |
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[14:25] <Laibsch> cjwatson, xnox: what about the possibility not to have to attend the IRC meeting? one of you mentioned a mail interview process?! |
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[14:26] <xnox> Laibsch: yeah, in the application submission email you should state that you cannot attend either irc meeting times and wich to be processed via email. |
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[14:27] <wgrant> mterry: I don't know bzrlib well at all, but I'd look for a bulk revision-id lookup method. |
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[14:27] <Laibsch> well, I might be able to attend but I don't want another night session. Even 1500 UTC is 23:00 here or even 00:00 if I am in Tokyo at the time and if it takes two hours like it did last time then I don't want that |
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[14:29] <xnox> mterry: well that script is fast if the branch you point it at is local, rather than remote. |
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[14:30] <xnox> mterry: so i'd clone it to a temp location first, find all tags to delete, and then delete them from target. |
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[14:31] <xnox> it's equivalent of $ bzr tags | grep ? | cut -d\ -f1 | xargs -L1 bzr tag --delete |
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[14:31] <mterry> xnox, yeah that might be the best solution, I was hoping to do a nice bzrlib thing |
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[14:31] <mterry> xnox, but shell always wins :) |
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[14:31] <Saviq> mterry, check out http://people.canonical.com/~mwh/bzrlibapi/bzrlib.repository.Repository.html#all_revision_ids |
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[14:31] <Saviq> xnox, that was the first thing we were doing, and it was _slow_ ;) |
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[14:32] <mterry> Saviq, oh really? |
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[14:32] <mterry> Saviq, just two bzr requests, I would expect it to be better |
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[14:32] <Saviq> mterry, one request per tag, no? |
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[14:33] <Saviq> mterry, `bzr tag --delete` does not seem to allow multiple tags (at least per man) |
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[14:36] <Laibsch> xnox: I basically left my old application page from 2010 as is and only added a paragraph to the top explaining why I did so. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie What are the next steps? Send e-mail to devel-permissions@lists.ubuntu.com and request for becoming a PPU dev? |
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[14:36] <caribou_> when merging a package from Debian closes outstanding Ubuntu bugs, should those be listed in the changelog ? |
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[14:36] <Laibsch> caribou_: You can add "LP: #123" in the changelog |
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[14:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 123 in Launchpad itself "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123 |
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[14:36] <Laibsch> similar to "Closes: #123" |
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[14:36] <caribou_> Laibsch: yeah, that's what I meant |
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[14:37] <caribou_> Laibsch: I know that, I just want to know if this is part of a normal merge activity |
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[14:37] <Laibsch> closes is for the Debian BTS, LP: for Launchpad |
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[14:37] <Laibsch> oh, you are wondering if you need to leave the changelog intact? |
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[14:37] <Laibsch> I'm not sure I understand the question |
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[14:39] <Saviq> mterry, yeah, looks like pulling all_revision_ids() and matching to tags would be faster |
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[14:43] <caribou_> Laibsch: when updating the changelog during a merge to the development version and the merge brings in patch from debian that fix existing bugs,should the changelog flag those bugs with (LP: #{bugno}) |
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[14:43] <xnox> caribou_: add lp: #N reference in the debian/changelog, upload to debian, the rest will happen. |
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[14:43] <caribou> I would say I should, just need confirmation |
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[14:44] <xnox> caribou: you can add lp:#N references, if you can, during merge/before uploads. |
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[14:44] <caribou> xnox: "upload to debian" I suppose upload to ubuntu |
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[14:44] <Laibsch> xnox: I believe he wants to know if he should fiddle with the changelog when the debian maintainer forgot to flag the LP bug |
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[14:44] <xnox> caribou: otherwise you will need to close bugs yourself. |
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[14:44] <xnox> caribou: don't modify other entries, just your own. |
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[14:44] <caribou> Laibsch: nope, I'm merging a package from debian into Ubuntu Vivid |
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[14:44] <caribou> xnox: indeed |
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[14:45] <xnox> caribou: e.g. "* merge from debian, remaining changes: |
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[14:45] <xnox> * foo bar |
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[14:45] <caribou> xnox: I meant in the section I'm adding following the merge |
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[14:45] <xnox> * Changes in debian fix LP: #1, LP: #2 |
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[14:45] <caribou> xnox: ok, that's what I wanted confirmed |
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[14:45] <xnox> caribou: yeah. |
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[14:45] <Laibsch> xnox: I basically left my old application page from 2010 as is and only added a paragraph to the top explaining why I did so. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RolfLeggewie What are the next steps? Send e-mail to devel-permissions@lists.ubuntu.com and request for becoming a PPU dev? |
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[14:50] <Saviq> mterry, you there? connection issues it seems? |
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[14:50] <Saviq> mterry, if you didn't get it, there's a branch.repository.all_revision_ids() |
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[14:51] <Saviq> that can be matched against tags |
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[14:53] <mterry> Saviq, yeah I found that, am working on revision (got sidetracked by a wizard issue) |
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[14:53] <mterry> Saviq, thanks |
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[14:54] <Saviq> mterry, no pressure, just wasn't sure you got the msg |
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[14:54] <mterry> Saviq, I hadn't |
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[14:54] <mterry> Saviq, I am having dumb irc problems indeed :( |
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[14:55] <mterry> Saviq, tell me if this is faster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8988295/ |
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[14:56] <mterry> still seems slightly slow to me, but I think that's just my connection today |
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[14:56] <mterry> locally is very fast |
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[14:58] <Saviq> mterry, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8988345/ |
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[14:59] <Saviq> it's very slightly slower than the original one with hardcoded list |
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[14:59] <Saviq> mterry, so it's great |
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[14:59] <mterry> Saviq, heh |
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[15:00] <mterry> Saviq, well once we feel comfortable with this, please replace your copy of the script in chinstrap |
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[15:00] <Saviq> mterry, yup I will |
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[15:00] <Saviq> mterry, I'll just add some logging and display for when you can't write to the branch |
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[15:21] <Saviq> mhall119, hmm... how is it that sessions that were supposed to start at 1400 UTC are already finished¿? |
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[15:24] <infinity> Saviq: Because it's 15:24? |
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[15:25] <infinity> Saviq: 'date --utc' is your friend. :) |
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[15:26] <Saviq> infinity, d'oh, I'm +1 now, not +2 ;) |
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[15:26] <Saviq> damn DST |
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[15:49] <Laibsch1> I had in the past always been able to simply swap out my HD, put it into a different computer and boot my old system from it. This seems no longer to be the case. what do I need to now? |
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[15:52] <mhall119> Saviq: lol |
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[15:54] <Laibsch> oops, wrong channel |
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[16:31] <pitti> doko: FYI, regresssion in https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-python3.4/7/; (test.test_pyexpat.HandlerExceptionTest) |
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[16:31] <pitti> it was auto-synced, so no mail notification to you specifically |
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[17:04] <doko> pitti, succeeds on the buildd, and currently I can't see anything network specific |
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[17:07] <pitti> doko: no, indeed; test.test_pyexpat.HandlerExceptionTest doesn't sound network specific at all, neither does "RuntimeError: a" |
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[17:35] <pitti> smoser, infinity: btw, now would be a good time to reboot the wolfe host, or the remaining VMs (I suppose if I just reboot them from "within", they won't get teh changed qemu RAM config) |
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[17:36] * pitti slips in a quick dist-upgrade |
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[18:33] <smoser> pitti, you rock. |
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[18:33] <smoser> thank you. |
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[18:33] <smoser> oh. i meant thank you for the help on that iscsi issue. |
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[18:33] <smoser> pitti, i'm sorry, wrt wolfe, what do you need ? |
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