2014/08/22/#lubuntu.txt

[00:01] <wxl> anarkhos: you're talking about kernel recompilation.
[00:01] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:02] <wxl> anarkhos: assuming it's not already configured
[00:02] <wxl> grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`
[00:02] <anarkhos> im reading this https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-debug-suspend-resume-issues-0
[00:02] <anarkhos> b. Suspend/resume by skipping BIOS:
[00:02] <anarkhos> step 1
[00:02] <wxl> i get CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y
[00:02] <wxl> so that's what you want
[00:02] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:03] <anarkhos> grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`                   <--- that will give me information?
[00:03] <wxl> yp
[00:04] <anarkhos> what is the sign enveloping uname -r?
[00:04] <anarkhos> not ". not '
[00:04] <anarkhos> `
[00:04] <wxl> look for ~
[00:04] <anarkhos> there i reckon
[00:04] <anarkhos> no
[00:04] <anarkhos> you said `
[00:05] <wxl> they're on the same key
[00:05] <wxl> shift` = ~
[00:05] <anarkhos> config-`uname -r`
[00:05] <wxl> `command` is the same as $(command)
[00:05] <wxl> it means "insert the result of command here"
[00:06] <wxl> so if i did this:
[00:06] <wxl> echo `echo hello`
[00:06] <wxl> it would respond:
[00:06] <wxl> hello
[00:06] <wxl> that's a stupid example admittedly XD
[00:06] <anarkhos> hmm
[00:06] <anarkhos> why look for ~?
[00:06] <wxl> because shift` = ~
[00:07] <wxl> if you can't find ` you could probably find ~
[00:07] <anarkhos> i find both
[00:07] <wxl> in any case it looks like you found it
[00:07] <anarkhos> ill try: grep CONFIG_PM_DEBUG /boot/config-`uname -r`
[00:07] <wxl> yep
[00:07] <anarkhos> ok
[00:07] <wxl> grep is search utility
[00:08] <wxl> uname prints system information, with -r giving you the kernel release
[00:08] <anarkhos> ok, same output here
[00:08] <anarkhos> CONFIG_PM_DEBUG=y
[00:08] <anarkhos> so all good then
[00:08] <wxl> in /boot are files that start with config- and end with the kernel release
[00:08] <anarkhos> yeah
[00:09] <wxl> so it's kind of like saying "look for CONFIG_PM_DEBUG in the config file for my current kernel, which lives in /boot"
[00:09] <wxl> you need a command line 101 class :)
[00:09] <anarkhos> yeah well, im (re-)learning, slowly but steadily
[00:09] <anarkhos> but ive never been extremely good
[00:10] <anarkhos> ok on to step two
[00:10] <wxl> http://linuxcommand.org/
[00:10] <wxl> it helps to actually learn it rather than just typing in commands
[00:12] <anarkhos> "echo core/processors/devices > /sys/power/pm_test" gives "write error: invalid argument"
[00:13] <wxl> you need to do that as root
[00:13] <anarkhos> well
[00:13] <anarkhos> i changed the permissions of /sys/power/pm_test
[00:13]  * wxl facepalms
[00:13] <wxl> like i said, you need to learn the command line :)
[00:14] <anarkhos> just preceding the command with "sudo" doesn't suffice
[00:14] <anarkhos> no reason to facepalm. either i change the permissions/enable the root account, or i just don't try this task at all
[00:14] <wxl> you can also do echo core/processors/devices | sudo tee /sys/power/pm_test
[00:15] <wxl> you could sudo su and just become root
[00:15] <anarkhos> ok...
[00:15] <wxl> like i said, you need to learn the command line :D
[00:15] <Unit193> sudo -i
[00:15] <anarkhos> i thought about sudo su actually
[00:15] <anarkhos> yeah i read about that Unit193
[00:16] <anarkhos> ill reverse the permissions change and activate the root account
[00:17] <anarkhos> there'
[00:18] <anarkhos> same error when run as root too. ill try wxl's modified command
[00:19] <anarkhos> ok, one step further
[00:19] <anarkhos> the echo worked, but still:
[00:20] <anarkhos> "tee: /sys/power/pm_test: invalid argument"
[00:21] <wxl> works for me
[00:21]  * wxl shrugs
[00:22] <anarkhos> what's tee?
[00:22] <wxl> !tee
[00:22] <wxl> :)
[00:22] <wxl> !info tee
[00:22] <ubottu> Package tee does not exist in trusty
[00:22] <wxl> aww
[00:22] <wxl> !search tee
[00:22] <ubottu> Found: kde-#ubuntu-fi, oneiric, 11.04, appreciate, slangasek*, bunnies*, 11.10, volunteers, maverick, natty and 1 more, see http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=tee
[00:22] <wxl> no no no
[00:23] <wxl> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man2/tee.2.html
[00:23] <wxl> ooh we should create a !man factoid Unit193
[00:23] <Unit193> wxl: I have an alias.
[00:23] <wxl> Unit193: make a factoid now.
[00:24] <Unit193> !man
[00:24] <ubottu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the  command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal | Manpages online: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[00:24] <wxl> !man man
[00:24] <wxl> boooooo
[00:25] <anarkhos> "In computing, tee is a command in command-line interpreters (shells) using standard streams which reads standard input and writes it to both standard output and one or more files, effectively duplicating its input"
[00:25] <wxl> read: echo
[00:25] <anarkhos> right
[00:38] <anarkhos> might it be that the guide is referring to a command that is slightly different on lubuntu?
[00:42] <anarkhos> hmm, im in run-level 2
[00:42] <anarkhos> the guide suggests level 3 if there's no difference between suspendbehaviour in the graphics environment or text mode
[00:43] <anarkhos> but still the same invalid argument error
[01:58] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:00] <anarkhos> are there other drivers than "gma500_gfx" i could try for the intel gma500 card?
[02:20] <holstein> anarkhos: i like to test with the vesa driver to isolate the driver
[02:21] <anarkhos> yes
[02:21] <holstein> yes?
[02:21] <anarkhos> well...
[02:21] <holstein> so, you have tried the vesa driver?
[02:21] <anarkhos> no, im not sure how to do it
[02:21] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[02:22] <anarkhos> ah this one
[02:22] <holstein> i just put the xorg.conf im place and test.. i dont bother with addressing the geometry, unless, this is a machine where using the vesa driver is an option
[02:22] <anarkhos> i read a lot about it, but i dont recall... i dont think i actually tested it
[02:23] <holstein> anarkhos: its the "fail safe" driver.. its nice to, as i say, remove the driver from the equation. otherwise, you can use it to determine what else *is* the issue
[02:24] <anarkhos> yes, if the problem persists with the vesa driver, gma 500 is cleared of responsibility
[02:25] <anarkhos> ill try it right now,  let me turn on the netbook again
[02:26] <holstein> well the gma is anyways, since it never promised, offically, to work with linux
[02:26] <holstein> but, it could be the problematic issue you are encountering
[02:27] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:27] <holstein> for me, on older hardware, doenst bother me to use a vesa driver
[02:28] <holstein> i mean, the only other viable option is windows xp.. and its not an option
[02:33] <anarkhos> of course, there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[02:33] <holstein> anarkhos: correct
[02:33] <anarkhos> ill just copy xorg.conf to that location
[02:33] <holstein> anarkhos: thats why i say, put the one in linked in place
[02:34] <anarkhos> with the content from the page you gave
[02:34] <anarkhos> right
[02:37] <anarkhos> there
[02:37] <anarkhos> reboot then
[02:38] <anarkhos> normally i boot into run-level 2
[02:39] <anarkhos> is that an issue?
[02:40] <anarkhos> looking at lsmod, it seems like gma500 is loaded now too
[02:40] <holstein> anarkhos: i run "lspci -v"
[02:41] <anarkhos> "kernel driver in use: gma500"
[02:41] <holstein> anarkhos: ok.. then, you didnt get it right
[02:41] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:41] <holstein> anarkhos: hmmm indeed
[02:41] <anarkhos> xorg.conf is in /etc/X11
[02:42] <anarkhos> with the content copied from the linked page
[02:42] <holstein> its not a fix. its a troubleshooting step
[02:43] <holstein> !nomodeset
[02:43] <ubottu> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[02:43] <anarkhos> i suppose simply putting xorg.conf in there doesn't stop the gma500 driver from being loaded
[02:43] <holstein> anarkhos: yes.. it specifies the graphics to use the vesa driver
[02:43] <anarkhos> ive tried nomodeset before
[02:43] <anarkhos> no difference
[02:43] <anarkhos> wait
[02:43] <anarkhos> blacklist
[02:44] <anarkhos> i could try to blacklist gma500*
[02:44] <holstein> anarkhos: i would just be sure you know how to undo that from a live CD or the recovery kernel, since its not necessary
[02:45] <anarkhos> not necessary...
[02:45] <anarkhos> but the gma500 driver loaded now too
[02:45] <anarkhos> even with the xorg.conf file
[02:45] <holstein> sure. so, try it. im saying, now how to revert, since im saying thats not the issue, and that could blacklist the only module that is working
[02:46] <anarkhos> hmm
[02:46] <anarkhos> then i will not try this right now
[02:46] <holstein> anarkhos: it didnt load "too".. i think it only did what it always did, due to misconfiguration
[02:46] <anarkhos> i followed the instructions
[02:46] <holstein> i dont think you have properly implemented the vesa driver. but, its not a fix.. so i would just move on
[02:47] <anarkhos> then the instructions maybe aren't valid for my lubuntu environment
[02:47] <holstein> anarkhos: nope. they are. thats what works for me
[02:47] <holstein> anarkhos: regardless, try the blacklist if you like. and just move on
[02:47] <anarkhos> so what have i forgotten? i created a xorg.conf file, copied the content from the linked page, placed it in /etc/X11 and rebooted
[02:47] <holstein> this is not something you need to get hung up on. it will be trying *many* things that gets you where you need to be, if possible
[02:48] <anarkhos> yeah
[02:48] <holstein> anarkhos: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <holstein> should open the file..
[02:48] <anarkhos> it does
[02:48] <holstein> ok
[02:49] <anarkhos> with contents corresponding to the linked page
[02:49] <holstein> not sure what to say, friend, besides, delete it and move on
[02:49] <anarkhos> ok
[03:04] <anarkhos> im trying it
[03:05] <anarkhos> and that was probably a mistake
[03:06] <holstein> trying what? blacklist?
[03:06] <anarkhos> yes
[03:06] <holstein> yeah, i said it was a bad idea.. and to make sure you know how to revert
[03:14] <anarkhos> i think i fixed it
[03:14] <anarkhos> trying to reboot
[03:15] <anarkhos> yes. back to normal
[03:15] <anarkhos> so then i still don't know how to switch between graphics drivers
[03:21] <anarkhos> thanks for the assistance holstein. see you
[05:32] <Ascavasaion> I read somewhere that the admin permissions (group) has been phased out, what is the new group used to give a normal user permissions to allow them to mount devices, open network manager, etc.?
[05:59] <wxl> Ascavasaion: adm
[06:01] <Ascavasaion> wxl: thyank you... I am already a member of adm :(
[06:06] <wxl> Ascavasaion: if it helps i'm a member of adm cdrom sudo audio dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare libvirtd
[06:06] <wxl> the latter two are likely of little value to you
[06:10] <Ascavasaion> wxl: I am already a member of those :(
[06:11] <wxl> Ascavasaion: are you in sudoers?
[06:14] <Ascavasaion> Going to reboot.
[08:38] <switchtehbeat> can anyone help me? I've restored my bios to factory default, it's saying I have "windows boot manager" and it doesn't show grub, just boots to windows. I click my hdd from f11 sata and it boots to lubuntu? what have I done wrong?
[08:40] <testdr> switchtehbeat: check bios-option from what harddisk to boot - maybe you had it in previous version set to second hd and after reset it uses the default first
[08:41] <switchtehbeat> I only have 1 hdd but 2 partitions
[08:43] <switchtehbeat> what does a live cd mean?
[08:43] <testdr> switchtehbeat: then check other bios-options - there is one setting the boot activity from something other what you select in the f11-boot-device-selection
[08:44] <switchtehbeat> testdr, what does a live cd mean?
[08:45] <testdr> switchtehbeat: i dont answer "funny" questions - you did read the download-info about the ubuntu-live-version?
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> ??? no
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> plus it's lubuntu not ubuntu
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> :/
[08:45] <switchtehbeat> heh
[08:45] <testdr> switchtehbeat: from where did you get the iso-image and burnt it?
[08:51] <testdr> and gone - why they do not read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  and the link there to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
[09:01] <SamwiseGamgee> I got this link from the ##hardware channel: they say it will solve my encryption problem, but will these command lines work with the new, 14.04 versions of ubuntu?  http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-play-dvd-under-ubuntu/
[09:49] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: are you using lubuntu
[09:50] <SamwiseGamgee> yes
[09:50] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: really, you where using xubuntu an hour ago
[09:50] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, I posted sth about an hour ago
[09:51] <ikonia> right so are you using xubuntu or lubuntu
[09:51] <SamwiseGamgee> I am not using xubuntu
[09:51] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: can you please show me the output of the command "sudo dpkg -l lubuntu-desktop"
[09:52] <ikonia> sorry "sudo dpkg -l | grep lubuntu-desktop"
[09:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I am not using lubuntu
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: ok so stop telling lies
[09:53] <ikonia> @mark #lubuntu SamwiseGamgee once again telling lies that he is using lubuntu to get support in the wrong channel
[09:53] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu 14.04
[09:53] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you've been warned 3 times about telling lies
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: this is not the channel to get support
[09:53] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: why do you persist in telling lies
[09:54] <ikonia> you'll end up getting banned in this channel too
[09:55] <SamwiseGamgee> I never told anyone I use lubuntu,  I have been using xubuntu 14.04 for months now
[09:55] <ikonia> 10:49 < ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: are you using lubuntu
[09:55] <ikonia> 10:50 < SamwiseGamgee> yes
[09:56] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you just told me less than 4 minutes ago in a channel you where using lubuntu
[09:56] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: so again - stop telling lies
[09:56] <SamwiseGamgee> which channel?
[09:57] <ikonia> @mark #lubuntu SamwiseGamgee continuing to tell lies
[09:57] <ubottu> The operation succeeded.
[09:57] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: this one,
[09:57] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you just said it in this channel less than 4 minutes ago
[09:57] <ikonia> 10:51 < SamwiseGamgee> I am not using xubuntu
[09:57] <ikonia> I can now only assume you are trolling this channel
[09:57] <ikonia> as you are clearly unable to be truthful or you are trying to misslead people on purpose
[09:57] <SamwiseGamgee> I am using xubuntu 14.04, and I never ever installed lubuntu, I am certain of this
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: I know
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: I asked you if you where using lubuntu and you said "yes"
[09:58] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you then said "I am not using xubuntu"
[09:58] <ikonia> now you are saying the total opposite after I caught you telling lies again
[10:17] <switchtehbeat> I sorted it, my bios was booting from "legacy" instead of ufi/uefi, no idea what that means but grub is there now for windows and lubuntu :)
[10:18] <ikonia> does the lubuntu install detect/configure a efi boot setup ?
[10:20] <ikonia> sorry the lubuntu installer
[10:20] <switchtehbeat> no idea
[10:23] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry
[10:37] <testdr> switchtehbeat: cause you logged out, this posting again: why they do not read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu  and the link there to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_CD
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[15:20] <STHGOM> i want to have google chrome running in wine
[15:21] <holstein> STHGOM: sure.. get the windows .exe version and run it in wine.. though, i suggest the native linux version that google provides
[15:21] <holstein> there is literally no reason to use the windows version..
[15:22] <STHGOM> im trying to run roblox on lubuntu
[15:23] <holstein> STHGOM: ask them for a native linux version
[15:23] <STHGOM> ohh
[15:23] <STHGOM> ok
[15:23] <STHGOM> ty
[15:23] <STHGOM> hahaha
[15:23] <holstein> otherwise, you install "wine", and what i do is just run "wine /path/to/*.exe" and try the windows software
[15:24] <holstein> !wine
[15:24] <ubottu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu
[15:24] <holstein> STHGOM: there will be no avenue of support for it, since, they release for an operating system you are not using, and wine cant support the code they make
[15:25] <holstein> not sure why you are laughing.. i really feel the "best" way for you to get support and performance is for them to support the operating system you are using.. if you have not asked, i wouldnt assume it to me completely futile..
[15:26] <STHGOM> i felt stupid so i laughed
[15:26] <holstein> STHGOM: oh.. nah, you shouldnt feel stupid..
[15:27] <holstein> i thought you were laughing about the idea of them releasing a linux version.. which can actually be laughable. but, more and more companies and developers are coming around to supporting linux
[15:27] <STHGOM> so who do i ask?
[15:27] <STHGOM> just on #roblox?
[15:27] <anarkhos> holstein: ive found some other ways (xforcevesa boot code) of using the vesa driver, and also "fbdev". then there's the possibility of using recovery mode to explore the xorg.conf file that is created. what do you think about this?
[15:28] <holstein> STHGOM: well, i wouldnt expect to casually email "support@roblox" and get a *tar.bin right back.. but, i would look for a contact, and just let them know your intentions, and that you would like linux support
[15:28] <holstein> STHGOM: otherwise, im not sure what the deal is with it
[15:28] <holstein> i go to http://www.roblox.com/ and it loads
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: why are you not using it in the native chrome on linux?
[15:29] <STHGOM> i am
[15:29] <STHGOM> i tried to install the windows roblox with wine
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: it looks like a website, and not an application that requires windows in anyway
[15:29] <holstein> STHGOM: what windows roblox? is it not a website?
[15:29] <STHGOM> the program
[15:30] <holstein> STHGOM: ok.. you can try it in wine..
[15:30] <holstein> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=9392 for example
[15:31] <holstein> anarkhos: you shouldnt need the xorg.conf
[15:31] <holstein> anarkhos: i would literally boot using the vesa driver, and test whatever you are trying to test.. if the driver has no effect on whatever that is, then, you can assume rather safely the driver is not the issue
[15:33] <anarkhos> holstein: yeah i booted into recovery mode, root shell now and there is no xorg.conf
[15:34] <holstein> anarkhos: sure.. there shouldnt be one
[15:34] <holstein> !xorgconf
[15:34] <ubottu> The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is deprecated, but sometimes may still be needed to pass values to specific drivers. See `man xorg.conf` for file structure and syntax. | Generic xorg.conf generation: http://ubottu.com/y/xorgconf | ATI proprietary driver specific: http://ubottu.com/y/atiamd | Nvidia proprietary driver specific: http://ubottu.com/y/nvidia
[15:34] <holstein> anarkhos: there is never one anymore.. its deprecated.. you put one in place it you want one.. but, the other kernel modes you are finding are allowing you to test with the vesa driver
[15:35] <anarkhos> yes. the current problem is to make the gma500 not load and simultaneously make vesa or fbdev successfully load. maybe the problem yesterday was that i created a xorg.conf
[15:35] <holstein> i would literally spend about 20 minutes testing the vesa driver, then move on.. this is *not* a fix. its not something to add extra issues onto your plate about
[15:36] <anarkhos> holstein: if you want you could in the meantime have a look at tzsch.webs.com/dmesg.txt for a closer look at the errors related to the power button and ACPI
[15:36] <anarkhos> however, ive tried many possible solutions relating to that - all without any success
[15:37] <holstein> anarkhos: how did the power button respond in xubuntu live?
[15:37] <anarkhos> same... no reaction whatsoever. and it's lubuntu, not xubuntu
[15:37] <holstein> anarkhos: i tell you, you literally could be the *only* person with that particular hardware profile using lubuntu
[15:38] <anarkhos> hmm
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: *xubuntu*. how did xubuntu react live? did you try it?
[15:38] <anarkhos> no
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: im asking becuase different services are loaded by default.. did you actualy try xubuntu? or main ubuntu?
[15:38] <holstein> anarkhos: i like to do that as also as an easy troubleshooting step
[15:39] <anarkhos> no, i wanted to try lubuntu because i read a review of small distros that could fit acer netbooks and lubuntu did very well there
[15:39] <holstein> anarkhos: as im saying, you wont likely read much helpful, since you can literally be the *only* person with that particular hardare running lubuntu.. you could have hardware rev's different from anyone else runnig it
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: sure.. and you *should* try lubuntu.. and use it.. but, you can learn from trying the other live CD's helpful informationg.. like, "is the power button going to do what im tryhing to do in linux"
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: if it works in xubuntu, then you can look and see what is supporting that funcitonality and add it to lubuntu
[15:40] <holstein> anarkhos: could be a simple change in something that is designed to be "light" in lxde-lubuntu that you need
[15:42] <anarkhos> ok, ill have a look at xubuntu, i hope there's enough space on the usb
[15:43] <holstein> anarkhos: xubuntu and lubuntu *are* ubuntu.. so, anything that is happening in xubuntu or main ubuntu is possible in lubuntu
[15:43] <anarkhos> ok
[15:43] <holstein> *if* the hardware switches work there, you can learn how to support them..
[15:43] <anarkhos> right
[15:44] <holstein> anarkhos: with *any* hardware like that, you can have a specific model#.. but, the company promised windows support.. so, if (and this is quite likely) they change the chips, they dont have to say they changed the chips.. they just have to do what they promised, which is, release a windows driver for the hardware
[15:44] <holstein> so, you can be the *only* person with that *exact* hardware running lubuntu
[15:44] <anarkhos> yes
[15:45] <holstein> i think it will be a very proactive approach that helps you find a "fix".. especially since nothing is broken
[15:45] <anarkhos> you don't incidentally... no, nevermind that'd drain bandwidth
[15:46] <holstein> getting in the larger ubuntu community for a bit doesnt hurt either, becuase its larger.. and since its all ubuntu, anything from there is relevant in lubuntu
[15:47] <anarkhos> how big is the xubuntu iso?
[15:47] <holstein> anarkhos: AFAIK, its larger than a CD
[15:47] <anarkhos> o
[15:47] <holstein> anarkhos: again, friend.. this is not a fix.. so, dont get too caught up in it
[15:48] <holstein> anarkhos: i would again, literally take a 20 minute period of my life, and try xubuntu live on the hardware.. if i hit too many barriers, i move on.. its not a fix
[15:48] <anarkhos> well it's not too much hassle. i do these experiments often
[15:49] <anarkhos> 953mb is the capacity of the USB stick on which lubuntu is at the moment
[15:49] <anarkhos> the other USB i think has lower capacity
[15:50] <anarkhos> 503 mb the other usb
[15:50] <anarkhos> how about... xubuntu in virtualbox on the netbook with the hardware in question?
[15:51] <anarkhos> also, what is the correct way of using xforcevesa? just "xforcevesa" or "xforcevesa=xforcevesa"?
[15:52] <anarkhos> ive seen both suggested
[15:52] <anarkhos> i imagine something like just "xforcevesa" or maybe "xforcevesa nomodeset"
[15:55] <anarkhos> " The Xubuntu 13.04 image size is approximately 800 MB." - that will just about work on one of the USBs
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: VM wont pass what you are testing through
[15:57] <anarkhos> hmm, regardless of vbox settings?
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: im not sure the "correct" way, friend.. i just use the link i gave, and make my own xorg.conf
[15:57] <holstein> anarkhos: correct.. VM will *not* work for your tests..
[15:57] <anarkhos> ok
[15:58] <anarkhos> making my own xorg.conf did not work. if i blacklist gma500, the boot process stops. if i don't blacklist gma500, the latter is loaded and xorg.conf ostensibly ignored
[15:59] <holstein> anarkhos: ok
[15:59] <holstein> anarkhos: what exactly is the issue? the power button isnt doing what?
[15:59] <holstein> i have never used the power button in lubuntu.. it just doenst work, and i dont bother using it
[16:00] <anarkhos> not causing a resume after suspend
[16:00] <anarkhos> have a look at the dmesg errors: http://tzsch.webs.com/dmesg.txt
[16:00] <anarkhos> the power button itself works
[16:00] <anarkhos> if i press it, i get some alternatives: reboot, shutdown, suspend etc.
[16:00] <holstein> ok
[16:00] <anarkhos> it's only resume that fails
[16:01] <anarkhos> everything else related to power seems fine
[16:01] <holstein> i dont read the dmesg and learn anything
[16:01] <holstein> i test with live CD's and other kernels.. and remove variables.. what works, and why? and how.. what doenst, and how do i add what worked to it.. etc
[16:01] <holstein> im not a "read the code and interpret" kind of guy
[16:02] <holstein> you can try the main #ubuntu channel with that dmesg
[16:02] <holstein> or, any mailing list for support.. though, i would still check a xubuntu live CD and see if it works "out of the box"..
[16:03] <anarkhos> yeah
[16:15] <anarkhos> holstein: are you able to find pm-quirks in the repositores?
[16:20] <anarkhos> from the debian wiki: "A very notable change is that HAL is phased out. If you still have the hal package installed, you should remove it or it will interference with pm-utils during suspend"
[16:20] <anarkhos> there is a folder called /usr/shared/hal in lubuntu
[16:23] <STHGOM> http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=93716485#144230022
[16:23] <STHGOM> wonder if that'll do it
[16:24] <holstein> !info pm-quirks
[16:24] <ubottu> Package pm-quirks does not exist in trusty
[16:24] <holstein> anarkhos: i would just test for all of that with live CD's..
[16:28] <anarkhos> yeah
[16:28] <anarkhos> goddamn... even with "xforcevesa" and "nomodeset" as kernel boot options, lspci -v returns "kernel driver in use: gma500"
[16:29] <holstein> !langague
[16:29] <holstein> !language
[16:29] <ubottu> The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[16:29] <anarkhos> ok
[16:29] <holstein> anarkhos: please, stop worrying about the vesa driver.. i really dont think its related
[16:30] <anarkhos> allright, ill focus more on xubuntu, but first ill take a break i think
[16:30] <anarkhos> thanks for the assistance
[16:52] <STHGOM> anarkhos: I was thinking that by running a windows version of chrome through wine i would get past this: http://www.roblox.com/install/unsupported.aspx
[19:21] <junka> is apparmor enabled by default?
[19:25] <HairyFotr> junka: it is for some apps... run sudo aa-status and see which are in enforce mode
[19:28] <junka> what does it mean that an app is in enforce mode
[19:28] <junka> or confine
[19:28] <junka> defined rather
[19:29] <holstein> junka: what is the overall goal?
[19:35] <junka> holstein, restrict every program
[19:39] <holstein> junka: you might consider just reading up on security.. hardening, etc.. https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening for example
[19:41] <junka> holstein, is there a reason apparmor-profiles is not installed?
[19:49] <Gatis> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19:51] <talsamon> hello , is there any way to start synergy before login (synergy-channel says they had no answer) - works normal on commandline, but if I try to start before login with a init.d-script it is segfaulting
[19:52] <holstein> Gatis: please observe the /topic, and use the offtopic channels for chat. thanks
[19:52] <junka> holstein, i did not understand anything from that link :3
[19:52] <holstein> talsamon: sure.. though, i havent tried it firsthand since before 12.04
[19:52] <holstein> junka: sure.. its not trivial what you are asking to do..
[19:53] <talsamon> holstein, do you remember which runlevel i should start it
[19:53] <talsamon> holstein, defaults ?
[19:53] <holstein> talsamon: i just added a start command
[19:54] <junka> holstein, i read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/AppArmorProfiles and it says that its installed by default, but its not installed on my system
[19:55] <holstein> junka: lubuntu is using lxde.. the "l" is for light.. they may choose not to ship things that main ubuntu ships with
[19:55] <holstein> junka: if you want to use it, feel free and install it, and confirm that it is runniing
[19:55] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[19:56] <junka> ok holstein thanks
[19:56] <holstein> !Info apparmor-profiles
[19:57] <holstein> !info apparmor-profiles
[19:57] <ubottu> apparmor-profiles (source: apparmor): Profiles for AppArmor Security policies. In component main, is extra. Version 2.8.95~2430-0ubuntu5 (trusty), package size 32 kB, installed size 282 kB
[22:46] <anarkhos> holstein: im about to try ubuntu 12 now. gonna format the usb and add ubuntu to it
[23:12] <anarkhos> ubuntu seems more problematic than lubuntu. when i move the cursor, it is as if im drawing. also, the screen is messed up
[23:13] <anarkhos> maybe i can access the command-line and explore it from there
[23:17] <anarkhos> holstein: there's news: on the live usb with normal ubuntu, the computer wakes up after suspend, but the screen is black. also, as mentioned already, the screen is a total mess in general. X is unmanagable, but the command-line is fine