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[04:17] <pitti> Good morning |
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[05:54] <pabloh> Can somebody recommend an lightweight display manager? (I've been using Qingy for a while but it's hard to get it working on some hardware) |
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[06:12] <RAOF> lightdm? :) |
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[06:22] <mvo> pitti: good morning! what do you reckon are the chances for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/180534575/gobject-introspection_1.40.0-2ubuntu1_1.40.0-2ubuntu2.diff.gz to go upstream into debian? it seems to work fine from my limited testing, the only issue is that the gir libs need adjusting now in their gir1.2-foo.install file (/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/* -> /usr/lib/*/girepositoriy-1.0/*) |
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[06:44] <pitti> mvo: for debian, no problem; the hardcoded /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ is a bit ugly for upstreaming, though |
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[06:46] <pitti> mvo: I'll commit our changes to Debian |
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[06:46] <mvo> pitti: hold on a sec |
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[06:46] <pitti> mvo: err, wait |
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[06:46] <pitti> mvo: are the typelibs actually platform dependenct? |
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[06:46] <mvo> pitti: this will cause ftbfs for the packages that build with the new gojbect-introspection |
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[06:46] <mvo> pitti: the fix is trivial, just updating the install path |
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[06:46] <pitti> mvo: in any way, this requires a note to ... |
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[06:46] <pitti> yes |
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[06:47] <mvo> pitti: if you think thats ok, I'm all for it :) |
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[06:47] <pitti> ... d|u-devel-announce@ at least, and a transiiton |
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[06:47] <mvo> pitti: I don't know how platform dependent the typelibs really are, but they are different on the arches, not sure what plays a role here |
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[06:48] <mvo> pitti: I can prepare a ppa with this change and test build of the rdepends to ensure we don't run into nasty corner cases. or do you think the gir stuff is all well behaved? |
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[06:49] <didrocks> hey mvo, bonjour pitti! |
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[06:49] <mvo> hey didrocks, good morning |
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[06:50] <pitti> mvo: well, at this stage (RTM) testing can never hurt, although I'm not sure how much introspection we actually use on touch (probably very little) |
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[06:51] <mvo> pitti: very little indeed, just 2 gstreamer libs right now iirc |
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[06:53] <pitti> mvo: so, the announcement to the devs is the main thing to do then |
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[06:54] <mvo> pitti: all right, let me draft something this morning. |
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[07:09] <willcooke> morning all |
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[07:09] <willcooke> seb128, Chromium 35 is in. I think ChrisCoulson took care of it |
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[07:09] <willcooke> 36 has issues |
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[07:11] <didrocks> morning willcooke |
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[07:12] <willcooke> hey didrocks |
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[07:12] <willcooke> didrocks, are you UTC +1 ? |
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[07:13] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, just one hour in the future compared to you :) |
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[07:13] <willcooke> so is it 8:13 for you? |
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[07:13] <didrocks> no, it's 9:13, with dailight saving |
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[07:14] <didrocks> daylight* |
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[07:14] <willcooke> ahh, ok - so you're still an hour ahead of me then |
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[07:14] <didrocks> yep |
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[07:14] <willcooke> didrocks, the reason I ask is that I really need to catch up with you, but I don't think I'll be able to do it until say 3pm your time |
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[07:14] <willcooke> is that ok> |
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[07:14] <willcooke> ? |
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[07:15] <didrocks> willcooke: that's fine, no worry! I usually go for running at lunch time :) |
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[07:19] <willcooke> hrm, you know what didrocks - we should have continued our journey down to Oz & NZ and paid those guys a visit, since we're half way there anyway |
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[07:20] <RAOF> willcooke: Come down to Hobart, it's lovely! |
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[07:20] <didrocks> willcooke: ahah, that would have been a really neat idea. And you can even tell this is for team building to meet robert ancell :) |
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[07:21] <willcooke> RAOF, didrocks - I'll see if rickspencer3 will pay :D |
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[07:21] <didrocks> heh |
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[07:22] <willcooke> right - bbiab, school run |
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[07:29] <didrocks> waow 600 on /lib, don't ask why I couldn't log in into that container |
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[07:29] <didrocks> the base image is right though |
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[07:29] <czajkowski> aloha |
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[07:30] * didrocks purges and redownload to see if the container is corrupted |
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[07:30] <didrocks> hey czajkowski! |
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[07:33] <didrocks> waow, the container is really corrupted… |
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[07:33] * didrocks tries back to build it himself |
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[07:34] <didrocks> and relaunch a remote build |
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[07:59] <czajkowski> didrocks: gooood morning you happy chappy! |
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[08:00] <didrocks> czajkowski: did you leave to your conference already? |
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[08:00] <czajkowski> didrocks: yup arrived last night in Munich so at todays hackathon and lots of Ubuntu machines being used over here |
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[08:01] <czajkowski> nice to see it being used out and about by random people |
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[08:01] <czajkowski> that table is currently hacking mongodb ubuntu and censors for the the day |
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[08:01] <didrocks> waow, excellent! |
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[08:02] <czajkowski> yup will try and get this page updated during the day https://www.hackerleague.org/hackathons/munich-iot-hackathon-planning/participations but then you cna see what is built |
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[08:02] <czajkowski> also a very useful site! |
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[08:04] <Laney> hey hey ho ho |
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[08:04] <willcooke> 'sup Laney |
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[08:04] <didrocks> czajkowski: great! |
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[08:04] <didrocks> morning Laney |
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[08:04] <willcooke> tkamppeter, I just pimped the Open Printing summit via G+ |
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[08:05] <willcooke> I'll see if someone who actually has some followers (popey) can re-share |
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[08:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers |
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[08:06] <Laney> alright |
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[08:07] <Laney> wie gehts? |
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[08:07] <seb128> hey didrocks Laney willcooke czajkowski |
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[08:07] <seb128> good! |
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[08:07] <seb128> Laney, you? |
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[08:07] <didrocks> re seb128! |
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[08:07] <seb128> willcooke, @chromium, ack, thanks |
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[08:07] <seb128> didrocks, re ;-) |
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[08:07] <willcooke> np |
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[08:07] <seb128> willcooke, did you see my comment yesterday about eventual travelling and when that would be likely to be? |
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[08:07] * willcooke scrolls back |
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[08:08] <seb128> it was in query |
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[08:08] <seb128> just wondering if you could figure out if we had some travelling planned after the summer and when |
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[08:08] <willcooke> seb128, didnt get it - the wifi in Blue Fin is sometimes dodgy |
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[08:09] <willcooke> seb128, I understand there /might/ be something in October, but I will find out for certain |
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[08:09] <willcooke> do you guys use some kind of IRC proxy? |
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[08:10] <seb128> willcooke, thanks, would be handy if we want to e.g book holidays |
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[08:10] <willcooke> something which is a bit more "store and forward" |
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[08:10] <seb128> I don't |
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[08:10] <seb128> larsu, Laney and some other do |
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[08:10] <Laney> yeah, screen+irssi |
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[08:10] <Laney> some people like irccloud |
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[08:10] <larsu> screen+irssi for me as well |
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[08:10] <larsu> on a raspi |
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[08:11] * willcooke checks it out |
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[08:11] <didrocks> willcooke: I did use irssi + bip. And after some years, realized that if people want to reach me when I'm not there, emails is better :) |
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[08:11] <didrocks> I have then only to backlog emails |
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[08:11] <didrocks> and not emails + irc + … |
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[08:11] <seb128> emails also include content usually |
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[08:12] <seb128> not just "ping" ;-) |
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[08:12] <didrocks> really true! :) |
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[08:12] <Laney> 'ping' is better |
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[08:12] <Laney> waaaaaay more ignorable :-) |
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[08:12] <didrocks> ahah |
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[08:12] <seb128> lol |
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[08:12] <willcooke> ha |
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[08:12] <didrocks> willcooke: so, I guess you're warned now, don't ping without adding context ;) |
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[08:12] <willcooke> hehe - yeah I saw that yesterday :) |
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[08:13] <willcooke> I have a habit of doing that :/ |
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[08:17] <tkamppeter> willcooke, thanks for pimpimg. |
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[08:20] <willcooke> dpm, https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/jKQh1NmjrPo |
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[08:20] <seb128> willcooke, do you know if the chromium update is going to go to other series than utopic as well? |
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[08:21] <willcooke> dpm, is that something that one of the Ubuntu official accounts could re-share/tweet about? |
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[08:21] <willcooke> seb128, hrm - good question, I don't know. Jamie said Chris sponsored it in, so I assume that Coulson? |
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[08:21] <willcooke> I can ask him |
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[08:21] <willcooke> (if it is) |
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[08:21] <seb128> it's chrisccoulson yes |
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[08:21] <seb128> he doesn't seem to be online though |
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[08:22] <willcooke> I'll find him... |
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[08:22] <seb128> he might just not be up yet |
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[08:23] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser btw, for the versions/by serie |
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[08:23] <seb128> Laney, are you reviewing the developer mode mr? |
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[08:27] <Laney> yes |
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[08:28] <dpm> hi willcooke, let me have a look |
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[08:28] <ogra_> whee, thanks ! |
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[08:32] <dpm> willcooke, https://plus.google.com/100887841569748798697/posts/CRKD6jJEjyF |
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[08:33] <willcooke> dpm, woot - thanks dude |
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[08:33] <willcooke> there you go tkamppeter! 250k followers :) |
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[08:33] <willcooke> yayay chrisccoulson |
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[08:34] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, morning chap! Sorry to pounce on you the second you log in |
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[08:34] <chrisccoulson> hi :) |
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[08:35] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, the sponsorship of Chromium 35 you kindly did yesterday - is that for all series or just U? |
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[08:35] <chrisccoulson> willcooke, just for U. chad says cr36 will be ready by thursday, which I'll upload to all releases |
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[08:35] <chrisccoulson> I didn't see the point in pushing cr35 to all releases, only to update it again a couple of days later |
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[08:39] <willcooke> chrisccoulson, word |
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[08:39] <Laney> bird |
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[08:39] <willcooke> Laney, bird = word? |
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[08:39] <Laney> so they say |
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[08:39] <willcooke> I didn't know |
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[08:40] <Laney> I thought everybody had heard |
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[08:40] <willcooke> about? |
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[08:40] <Laney> bird being the word |
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[08:40] <willcooke> \o/ |
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[08:41] <chrisccoulson> lol |
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[08:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ready on thursday, waiting to see :p |
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[08:43] <seb128> cr35 was "ready" for like 3 weeks before it got uploaded |
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[08:43] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 :) |
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[08:43] <seb128> I hope we don't keep doing the same to hit then "oh, next one is coming, let's do this one" and never upload anything |
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[08:44] <seb128> because it's always take ages and by the time things are tested there is a new one |
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[08:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey ;-) |
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[08:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128, hmmm, cr35 was only ready last week. at least, that's when the builds ended up in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage |
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[08:44] <seb128> k |
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[08:45] <seb128> well, it was "almost ready" for a while before that |
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[08:45] <seb128> but if cr36 is ready this week or next, it's fine I guess |
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[08:45] <seb128> let's see |
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[08:45] <chrisccoulson> Yeah, hopefully |
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[08:46] <tkamppeter> willcooke, great, still too much paper needed ... |
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[08:46] <didrocks> remember that cr34 is really buggy |
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[08:47] <didrocks> like the loosing tabs and so on |
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[08:47] <didrocks> not great for a LTS |
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[08:47] <seb128> yeah |
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[08:47] <didrocks> losing* |
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[08:49] <czajkowski> Trevinho: has the patience of a saint! we at least have a bug reported this time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1347494 still working on the back trace |
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[08:49] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1347494 in unity (Ubuntu) "Logging in doesn't load unity desktop on admin account" [Undecided,New] |
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[08:53] * didrocks doesn't know why containers produced on docker hub are broken… |
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[08:53] <didrocks> (bad permissions on directories) |
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[08:53] <czajkowski> Trevinho: for some unknown ditty reason it seems to hate unity-dbgsyms E: Unable to locate package unity-dbgsyms |
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[08:53] <czajkowski> are they built for utopic could that be it? |
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[08:54] <didrocks> Sweetshark: did you get the same issue? |
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[08:54] <didrocks> seems to be https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/issues/5892 |
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[08:54] * didrocks reads |
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[08:57] <Sweetshark> didrocks: havent run into that yet, but will look out now ;) |
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[08:58] * didrocks is trying -s=devicemapper as suggested |
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[09:02] <Laney> czajkowski: dbgsym not dbgsyms, and you have to have enabled that repository if you didn't already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages |
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[09:04] <seb128> czajkowski, you need the ddeb source matching you normal apt sources |
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[09:09] <Laney> whoops! |
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[09:09] <Laney> I just reproduced the "gstreamer 1.4" leak |
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[09:09] <Laney> ..........only I was still on 1.2.4 |
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[09:09] <didrocks> Sweetshark: yeah, so if you add users that are non root, don't use trusted builds for now, rather, build them yourself |
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[09:09] <didrocks> Sweetshark: there is no workaround/fix apparently yet |
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[09:09] * didrocks followed up on the bug |
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[09:11] <seb128> Laney, lol |
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[09:11] <seb128> Laney, so blaming the gst update wrongly? |
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[09:11] <seb128> Laney, how do you reproduce it? |
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[09:11] <Laney> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1346821/comments/5 I did that |
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[09:11] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1346821 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "media-hub-server uses all system's memory (sigkill send to init)" [Critical,New] |
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[09:12] <Laney> load an album, then click the second half of the slider to make it go to the next song |
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[09:15] <seb128> k |
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[09:15] <seb128> did you downgrade base as well? |
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[09:15] <seb128> or only gst? |
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[09:15] <Laney> I didn't downgrade |
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[09:16] <Laney> just on an old image |
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[09:29] <willcooke> tkamppeter, you're muted at your end I think |
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[09:30] <willcooke> tkamppeter, I heard you for a second there |
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[09:31] <seb128> tkamppeter, do you know if canon mg6350 printers are known to have issues/not work with trusty? the printer is correctly detected/added by system-config-printer, printing makes the printer receive the job (it says so on its small lcd screen) but nothing gets out of the printer then |
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[09:32] <seb128> it's like the job was invalid and dropped by the printer or something |
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[09:32] <seb128> not sure how to debug, some website recommends just installing the driver from the constructor website |
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[10:33] <didrocks> ok, going for exercising! |
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[10:48] <czajkowski> Laney: any sweet chance you're in london this week ? |
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[10:48] <Laney> czajkowski: nope |
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[10:49] <Laney> come to GUADEC next week? :-) |
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[10:49] <czajkowski> I've had 3 weeks of no tracel I'm enjoying this :p |
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[10:50] <Laney> actually I will be changing trains @ stp to get there ... |
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[10:54] <tkamppeter> seb128, the Canon printers have USB problems. Try the command "lpadmin -p <queue> -o usb-unidir-default=true" for the print queue. |
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[10:54] <tkamppeter> seb128, See "USB printer does not print or prints garbage" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems |
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[10:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks, that one is a wifi one, and it works with the ppd from canon |
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[10:56] <tkamppeter> seb128, if this works out, report a bug on http://www.cups.org/str.php, post the "lsusb" output (USB product/vendor IDs) and make/model of the printer. Or edit /usr/share/cups/usb/org.cups.usb-quirks and attach the patch to your bug report. |
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[10:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, ok, thanks |
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[10:59] <tkamppeter> seb128, for WiFi/Network I do not have any known problems of Canons. For WiFi printing in general I had only problems with my FritzBox router, but the FritzBox support helped me and fixed the firmware bug. I am running development firmware now and the printer works. Printer is HP though. |
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[11:01] <tkamppeter> seb128, no I remember that there are users of LiveBox routers who had problems with printers connected via IPP (independent of wired or wireless), these users have to replace the ipp://... URI by ipp14://... |
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[11:01] <tkamppeter> s/no/now/ |
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[11:02] <willcooke> Sweetshark, just set up a 1:1 weekly - let me know if you want to move it |
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[11:04] <willcooke> larsu, ditto |
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[11:05] <willcooke> Laney, ditto |
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[11:11] <Sweetshark> willcooke: should be fine if we really do this hard timeboxed as I have a weekly call (Engineering Steering Committee at LibreOffice on 16:00CEST on Thursday) right after that. |
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[11:13] <willcooke> Sweetshark, sure, no worries. I think once we get in to the swing of things it won't take 30 mins |
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[11:25] <willcooke> who is at guadec next week? seb128, didrocks, Laney? attente too? |
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[11:25] <Laney> yes, & larsu & desrt |
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[11:25] <willcooke> excellenrt |
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[11:25] <willcooke> excellent |
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[11:32] <willcooke> exercise time for me now. bbiab |
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[12:47] <larsu> willcooke: I'll be on a train this Friday for our 1:1 (going to GUADEC) |
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[12:51] <willcooke> larsu, no worries, we'll catch up soon |
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[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, are you going to review the dual sim work from Jonas? |
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[13:38] <kenvandine> seb128, yup |
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[13:38] <seb128> kenvandine, great, thanks ;-) |
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[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, what happened to the landing from yesterday btw? |
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[13:39] <kenvandine> merge problems then pep8 test failures |
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[13:39] <seb128> urg |
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[13:39] <kenvandine> i'm going to finish it up this morning |
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[13:39] <seb128> is anyone working on fixing those? |
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[13:39] <seb128> k |
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[13:39] <kenvandine> it was building when i left yesterday |
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[13:39] <kenvandine> they got fixed late |
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[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, should https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/call_forwarding/+merge/227761 bet set as "work in progress"? CI run and I said that's all you wanted from it |
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[13:40] <kenvandine> it's ready now |
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[13:40] <seb128> k |
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[13:40] <kenvandine> a review would be great :) |
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[13:40] <seb128> is Jonas doing one? |
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[13:40] <seb128> I can have a look as well |
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[13:40] <kenvandine> i haven't asked |
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[13:40] <seb128> k |
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[13:40] <seb128> let me look first |
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[13:40] <kenvandine> thx |
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[13:40] <seb128> if I feel like another review is welcome I can ping him |
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[13:41] <seb128> kenvandine, when you said 'they got fixed", you are speaking about the pep8 error? where? I didn't see a new mr? |
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[13:41] <seb128> or is that a new commit on one of those listed? |
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[13:41] <kenvandine> new commit |
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[13:41] <seb128> k |
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[13:41] <kenvandine> it's all built in the silo now |
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[13:41] <seb128> nice |
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[13:41] <seb128> land it! |
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[13:41] <kenvandine> i just need to do a round of testing |
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[13:41] <kenvandine> after my next meeting though :) |
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[13:45] <Laney> glad that pep8 is working now |
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[13:47] <seb128> yeah |
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[13:50] <Laney> btw I saw some dual sim MP come in and I was suspicious that it seems to duplicate the qml for the single and dual case |
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[13:50] <Laney> I'd think it ought to be possible to handle both in the same file |
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[13:50] <Laney> just in case anyone reviews this |
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[13:53] <asac> seb128: whats our gstreamre source package? |
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[13:53] <asac> e.g. launchpad ubuntu link at best |
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[13:53] <seb128> asac, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0 |
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[13:53] <asac> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0 |
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[13:53] <asac> ah good |
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[13:54] <seb128> why? |
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[13:54] <seb128> still discussing that sync? |
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[13:54] <seb128> btw Laney said it's also happening with the old version |
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[13:55] <asac> seb128: not sure ... just got asked how we can e better in coordinating such pieces with stakeholders before dropping them |
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[13:55] <seb128> k |
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[13:56] <asac> at best it causes confusion and distraction for folks that are knee deep in making gstreamer magic happening for phone |
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[13:56] <asac> if that happens without them knowing |
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[13:56] <seb128> yeah, that makes sense |
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[13:56] <asac> what are your thoughts? |
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[13:56] <seb128> I guess we could create a table of packages that need confirmation before being synced, with their owners |
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[13:56] <seb128> but then we need to owners to be responsive and look at the pending syncs |
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[13:56] <asac> right |
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[13:57] <seb128> rather than being busy and ignore those |
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[13:57] <asac> so proactive merge/sync work management |
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[13:57] <seb128> otherwise we stay on outdated unsupported versions |
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[13:57] <Laney> I bet £10,000 that list will be 'everything on the phone' |
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[13:57] <seb128> and we loose the benefit of being close from Debian |
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[13:57] <seb128> Laney, and I bet for quite a part of the list there are going to be no active owner |
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[13:57] <seb128> like if libpng has a an update |
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[13:57] <seb128> or libzlib |
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[13:58] <seb128> or libelf |
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[13:58] <asac> i think its an interesting topic for the distro to figure |
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[13:58] <seb128> what we currently have works fine most of the time |
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[13:58] <seb128> it's just a bug, we get bugs through silo landings as well |
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[13:58] <seb128> those happen |
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[13:59] <Laney> looks like it wasn't even a bug |
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[13:59] <seb128> we have britney also to protect the image |
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[13:59] <Laney> so we're actually discussing something that wasn't even a problem |
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[13:59] <seb128> if we have tests in place to catch issues... |
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[13:59] <Laney> which seems a bit mad |
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[13:59] <seb128> right |
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[13:59] <seb128> but potentially a such sync could create an issue/introduce a new bug |
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[13:59] <Laney> a problem is that this report blinded people who then didn't even look into the problem |
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[13:59] <seb128> but silo landing as well |
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[13:59] <seb128> our testing is not perfect |
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[14:00] <seb128> right |
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[14:00] <Laney> I better go have lunch or else I'll EOD without having eaten :P |
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[14:01] <Laney> been trying to merge -bad 1.4, speaking of gst ... |
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[14:01] * Laney screams |
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[14:01] <Laney> I was in the wrong directory when building the source package so it didn't get rebuilt so the build failed again |
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[14:01] * Laney force afks |
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[14:01] <seb128> urg |
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[14:01] <seb128> enjoy! |
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[14:20] <willcooke> Come to the Ubuntu On Air engineering update - I'm totally live dudes |
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[14:25] <seb128> oh, indeed you are there! |
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[14:26] <willcooke> exposing my ignorance in public |
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[14:27] <seb128> willcooke, xdg-utils is a bunch of scripts to deal with things like "open that file", "inhibit screen locking", which tries to do do the right thing for the desktop env in use |
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[14:27] <willcooke> thx seb128 |
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[14:27] <seb128> that was a weird question to ask |
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[14:27] <willcooke> kicks mhall119 |
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[14:27] <seb128> indeed |
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[14:49] <Laney> willcooke: seems like a bit of a baptism of fire... |
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[14:50] <mvo> willcooke: ubuntu-on-air on day3? woah, what a ride for you :) |
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[14:52] <willcooke> \o/ |
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[15:06] <seb128> Laney, nobody decided for settings on line length changes |
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[15:07] <seb128> the document Jussi pointed to seems to be a "unity" one |
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[15:07] <seb128> e.g trying to be standard accross our projects iirc |
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[15:08] <seb128> I'm still undecided with the 80 chars, that feels like a too high constrains for modern width screens, though I agree it can be handy in some cases |
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[15:09] <Laney> I guess people don't bother having code side by side any more |
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[15:09] <Laney> whatever |
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[15:09] <seb128> but even on my laptop screen with qtcreator and a sidebar I can easily go to 110 chars |
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[15:09] <seb128> side by side is useful for debugging when you do old/new version, but otherwise do you use it? |
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[15:09] <Laney> all the time |
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[15:09] <Laney> listen |
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[15:10] <Laney> if you want to get rid of it then just do it |
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[15:10] <Laney> I just resent being linked to some random document |
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[15:10] <ogra_> and your screen pnly allows 160 chars ? |
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[15:10] <ogra_> *only |
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[15:10] <Laney> actually it's 141 |
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[15:11] <seb128> Laney, I've no strong opinion, I just find that the 80 chars is easy to hit and does make for some extra wrapping which is less comfortable to read sometimes |
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[15:11] <seb128> but it's not a big deal either |
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[15:12] <ogra_> Laney, time to drop that 14" VGA monitor ... its 2014 !! |
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[15:12] <seb128> but yeah, I'm not wanting to change unless those guideline are something documented as being our standards for all projets we work on |
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[15:12] <seb128> ogra_, it's called a laptop |
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[15:12] <ogra_> seb128, sure ... but 141 chars ! |
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[15:13] <seb128> my laptop does 136 chars |
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[15:13] <seb128> we don't all have hidpi ;-) |
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[15:13] <ogra_> my laptop does a *lot* more ... do you guys only work on tty consoles ? |
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[15:13] <seb128> no, it's gedit or qtcreator |
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[15:13] <Laney> vim |
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[15:13] <seb128> but resolution is not 1900 here |
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[15:13] <seb128> it's 1300 |
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[15:13] <ogra_> ah, old HW :) |
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[15:14] <Laney> don't even know what it is, possibly 1280x960 |
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[15:14] <seb128> not so old, but those resolutions are better for my eyes |
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[15:14] <seb128> if I were on 1900 I would adapt the font and hit around the same number of chars |
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[15:15] <seb128> well, anyway, not an useful discussion |
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[15:15] <Laney> anyway I'm aware I'm the only one who cares |
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[15:15] <ogra_> heh, yeah |
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[15:15] <Laney> so, fine by me if it makes everyone else sad |
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[15:16] <didrocks> seb128: Laney: the recommendations are 120 at most actually, to have the content readable |
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[15:17] <didrocks> intellij set 120 by default, whereas they tweak that value to 100 in Android Studio |
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[15:17] <Laney> kay |
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[15:17] <Laney> I checked what GNOME say and they say up to 120 too |
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[15:17] <didrocks> yeah, seems the standard to have readable content (longer makes it hard to read) |
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[15:19] <Laney> I want a linter to enforce this now >:) |
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[15:19] <Laney> especially if it fails the build |
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[15:19] * Laney gets excited |
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[15:20] <didrocks> Laney: it's called pep8 :p |
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[15:20] <didrocks> oh C++, meh ;) |
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[15:20] <Laney> pep8 says 79 btw |
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[15:21] <didrocks> yeah, that's their default |
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[15:21] <didrocks> you can tweak it though |
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[15:21] <Laney> up to 100 |
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[15:21] <didrocks> (as in udtc) |
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[15:21] <didrocks> I'm using 120 for both, but 100 can be a good start :p |
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[15:22] <Laney> pep8 is quite clear |
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[15:22] <didrocks> Laney: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/blob/master/.pep8 |
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[15:22] <Laney> indeed you can override it |
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[15:22] <Laney> by pep8 I mean the document |
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[15:23] <didrocks> (I exclude the virtualenv directory, most of the standard python library fails miserably) |
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[16:32] <seb128> ok, calling it a day |
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[16:32] <seb128> Laney, have a nice early w.e, see you in Strasbourg |
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[16:33] <seb128> good evening desktopers |
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[16:33] <Laney> seb128: cheers, see you there |
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[16:33] <Laney> have a good evening! |
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[16:33] <seb128> thanks |
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[16:49] * didrocks goes as well |
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[16:49] <didrocks> see you in Strasbourg Laney! |
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[16:49] <Laney> bye! |
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[16:50] <Laney> have a good two days |
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[16:50] <didrocks> thanks ;) |
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[17:07] <willcooke> EODing now too - toodle pip |
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