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| [03:13] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 4 updates, showing the latest 3 | |
| [03:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r32 Delete plasma-framework5.symbols... (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | |
| [03:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r33 Update symbols files. (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | |
| [03:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework-work] r34 Fix -dev depends.... (by Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema) | |
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| [06:44] <soee> good morning | |
| [07:22] <apachelogger> !find krb5-config | |
| [07:23] <ubottu> Found: krb5-config | |
| [07:23] <valorie> that's a helpful message | |
| [07:23] <apachelogger> he means the package is krb5-config :P | |
| [07:24] <valorie> !find gobbledegook | |
| [07:24] <ubottu> Package/file gobbledegook does not exist in saucy | |
| [07:24] <valorie> ya don't say | |
| [07:24] <apachelogger> ah yes | |
| [07:24] <apachelogger> problem no1: saucy | |
| [07:24] <valorie> !info krb5-config | |
| [07:24] <ubottu> krb5-config (source: kerberos-configs): Configuration files for Kerberos Version 5. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3 (saucy), package size 22 kB, installed size 79 kB | |
| [07:24] <apachelogger> problem no2: my cache says krb5-config doesn't contain krb5-config | |
| [07:24] <apachelogger> which is a bit funny | |
| [07:25] <apachelogger> tsimpson, jussi: ubottu probably should be bumped to trusty | |
| [07:25] <valorie> but ubottu usually is in trusty | |
| [07:25] <valorie> !find phonon-backend-vlc | |
| [07:25] <ubottu> Found: phonon-backend-vlc, phonon-backend-vlc-dbg | |
| [07:25] <valorie> I mean | |
| [07:25] <valorie> !info phonon-backend-vlc | |
| [07:25] <ubottu> phonon-backend-vlc (source: phonon-backend-vlc): Phonon VLC backend. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2 (saucy), package size 79 kB, installed size 321 kB | |
| [07:25] <valorie> oooo | |
| [07:26] <tsimpson> @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease | |
| [07:26] <ubottu> Global: trusty; #kubuntu-devel: saucy | |
| [07:26] <valorie> ubottu is ahead! | |
| [07:26] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is ahead! | |
| [07:26] <tsimpson> for some reason it has a channel specific value here.. | |
| [07:27] <apachelogger> perhaps we switched it to saucy before saucy was a thing because no one in here ever cares about stable? | |
| [07:31] <apachelogger> yofel: uh, changelog generation from git, someone suggested that previously as well, totally forgot about it | |
| [07:31] <apachelogger> certainly would be smartest IMO | |
| [07:32] <tsimpson> @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease | |
| [07:32] <ubottu> Global: trusty; #kubuntu-devel: trusty | |
| [07:32] <tsimpson> !info krb5-config | |
| [07:32] <ubottu> krb5-config (source: kerberos-configs): Configuration files for Kerberos Version 5. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3 (trusty), package size 22 kB, installed size 79 kB | |
| [07:33] <apachelogger> better | |
| [07:33] <apachelogger> it's still lying, though I think that's because of the package ^^ | |
| [07:35] <tsimpson> well its source is apt-cache | |
| [07:37] <tsimpson> if you want to search for files explicitly, use a path (like !find bin/krb5-config) | |
| [07:37] <tsimpson> otherwise it'll try and match to a package name first, then search files | |
| [07:40] <apachelogger> ah | |
| [07:40] <apachelogger> weird package name then | |
| [07:40] * apachelogger shrugs it off | |
| [08:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kcmutils] r27 Install qt pri file to -dev package (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [08:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kactivities] r34 * Wildcard qml plugin installation in kactvities.install... (by Harald Sitter) | |
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| [08:45] <shadeslayer> good morning | |
| [08:46] <apachelogger> yo | |
| [08:47] * apachelogger would like to point out that it makes -32 sense to make multiarch lib packages when one then packs usr/bin/ and etc/ into that package.... | |
| [08:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: where have we done that? | |
| [08:58] <apachelogger> kservice | |
| [08:59] <apachelogger> etc is now in a data, kbuildsycoca5 is still in the lib package though | |
| [08:59] <apachelogger> also I get the feeling I am making more things red than green :O | |
| [08:59] * apachelogger been doing non-standard packaging for too long | |
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| [09:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is kf5-kio.install instead of kio.install? | |
| [09:05] <yofel> kiconthemes has mulitarch issues too | |
| [09:05] <yofel> E: libkf5iconthemes5: arch-dependent-file-not-in-arch-specific-directory usr/bin/kiconfinder5 | |
| [09:06] <yofel> btw. am I understanding this right that we're putting all the l10n stuff into -data packages? | |
| [09:07] <apachelogger> yofel: only when there is no other meaningful package | |
| [09:07] <apachelogger> e.g. in kio I am packing them in with kf5-kio as the l10n is for the slaves and not the libraries themself | |
| [09:08] <yofel> so you're just putting it into the runtime package instead of making an extra arch:all one? | |
| [09:09] <apachelogger> yeah, there's no point in an arch all package there | |
| [09:09] <Riddell> yofel: I'm putting l10n into a -data if that's what multiarch needs it to be | |
| [09:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, no reason I guess, | |
| [09:09] <yofel> ok | |
| [09:09] <apachelogger> for the libs I'd also not have put it in data short of multiarch really | |
| [09:09] <apachelogger> more packages just give you more points of failure for the most part | |
| [09:10] <yofel> IMO this is still easy enough to keep multiarch-compatible | |
| [09:10] <apachelogger> hence the -data packages :P | |
| [09:10] <yofel> right | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 8 updates, showing the latest 5 | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kconfigwidgets] r32 fix locale install glob... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kservice] r31 * Add new package libkf5service-data for localization and et... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kxmlgui] r29 * Install qt mkspecs pri to libkf5xmlgui-dev... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [ktextwidgets] r28 Install qt mkpsecs pri files to libkf5textwidgets-dev (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [09:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kio] r37 * Update kf5-kio.install with new files... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [09:23] <apachelogger> so | |
| [09:23] <apachelogger> I broke some dep, I am not sure how though | |
| [09:24] <yofel> which one? | |
| [09:24] <yofel> too much red :S | |
| [09:24] <apachelogger> yofel: dep resolution doesn't work anymore, see kinit e.g. | |
| [09:25] <apachelogger> might have been the kservice replaces breaks I guess | |
| [09:26] <apachelogger> ah, I know, typo ftw | |
| [09:26] <apachelogger> I really think there is too much copy'n'paste shit going on in these packages | |
| [09:26] <apachelogger> like severely too much | |
| [09:27] <apachelogger> 90% of the things I did on the packages so far was cnp in control | |
| [09:27] <apachelogger> libkf5service5-data OR libkf5service-data? | |
| [09:28] <apachelogger> soversion or not, that is the question | |
| [09:28] <apachelogger> opinions plz ^^^ | |
| [09:29] <yofel> I've looked into scripting control for neon, but all I found are really shitty dh_clean override hacks to generate it from control.in or running another target first | |
| [09:30] <yofel> apachelogger: not sure what we did for the other packages, but IMO without, it's not like locales are co-installable | |
| [09:30] <yofel> altough, then the dep has to be >= too so it doesn't break | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> yofel: I think it would already help a lot if we used substvars for the descriptions and so forth | |
| [09:31] <yofel> talk to debian if they want that | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> yofel: the version not breaking is based on the assumption that libfoo1 has compatible assets with libfoo2 | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> which is a bogus assumption IMO | |
| [09:32] <yofel> well, bogus true, but I don't think it's worth the conflicts | |
| [09:32] <yofel> Riddell: ^ ? | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> what what? | |
| [09:33] <Riddell> I'm preferring no soversion in the -data so libkf5service-data | |
| [09:33] <apachelogger> yofel: except a badly written library can actually have runtime kaputness from incompatible/missing assets | |
| [09:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but version >= or = source:version | |
| [09:34] <yofel> apachelogger: that's then a badly written library, but not a packaging issue | |
| [09:34] <apachelogger> sure it is a packaging issue | |
| [09:34] <yofel> how | |
| [09:34] <Riddell> I've been using = source:version, it might not be backwards compatible for some reason | |
| [09:34] <apachelogger> the library is entirely within its right to fail in any manner when assets are corrupted | |
| [09:34] <apachelogger> and corrupted assets are not to tell apart from shitty packaging | |
| [09:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's the argument | |
| [09:34] <apachelogger> so | |
| [09:34] <yofel> hm | |
| [09:35] <apachelogger> IMHO we should do = | |
| [09:35] <apachelogger> iff it then turns out one can push a >= | |
| [09:35] <apachelogger> but I think assuming the least compatibility by default is the safer way to go | |
| [09:35] <yofel> I just don't want to end up in the same situation where upstream does something stupid and we can't properly update (i.e. libkscreen) | |
| [09:36] <yofel> but for now keep = then I guess | |
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| [09:53] <apachelogger> kf5html5-data | |
| [09:53] <apachelogger> it seems we have a bit of a naming inconsistency | |
| [09:56] <Riddell> fixy fixy | |
| [09:59] * Mirv haz some Nexus 10 to bring to Berlin for Kubuntu development for someone called Aleix :) | |
| [09:59] <Riddell> Mirv: from jussi? | |
| [09:59] <Riddell> what's happening in Berlin? | |
| [09:59] <Riddell> Aleix Pol? | |
| [09:59] <Mirv> Riddell: yeah, he just ran through my lunch place giving it to me | |
| [09:59] <Mirv> Riddell: Qt Summit | |
| [09:59] <Riddell> ah cool | |
| [10:00] <Mirv> and Mr. Pol, yes | |
| [10:00] <shadeslayer> Mirv: yeah, that would apol on IRC :) | |
| [10:00] <shadeslayer> *would be | |
| [10:02] <Mirv> ok, I'll ping him at some point before next week | |
| [10:04] <apachelogger> #lunchinvasion | |
| [10:05] <shadeslayer> it's only 12 :O | |
| [10:05] <apachelogger> I didn't get invaded either | |
| [10:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kanagram] r120 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | |
| [10:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kapman] r73 * Merge with Debian, no remaining changes... (by Rohan Garg) | |
| [10:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kapman] r74 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | |
| [10:11] <apachelogger> ktexteditor-data | |
| [10:11] <apachelogger> data naming needs serious revising | |
| [10:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kinit] r24 * Install localization to kinit package... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [10:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kpty] r28 -data is arch all (by Jonathan Riddell) | |
| [10:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kservice] r32 fix data package name... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [10:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [khtml] r29 * Update libkf5khtml5-data.install to contain localization... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [10:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kross] r25 Update kross.install to contain localization (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [10:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remind Scarlett to copy -data from another package and adjust description and name only | |
| [10:18] <apachelogger> missing multi-arch fields | |
| [10:20] * apachelogger wonders why khtml's is multiarch same | |
| [10:20] <apachelogger> really | |
| [10:20] <apachelogger> we need a way to get rid of copynpasting that stuff | |
| [10:23] <yofel> what's the point for multiarch for arch:all packages? | |
| [10:25] <apachelogger> what's the point of multiarch I say | |
| [10:26] <apachelogger> yofel: data must be marked foreign | |
| [10:26] <apachelogger> that's completely independent of the actual binary architecture support | |
| [10:26] <yofel> I still don't get why it has to be foreign if there's just one deb for all architectures | |
| [10:27] <apachelogger> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages | |
| [10:28] <yofel> o.O | |
| [10:28] <yofel> well, ok | |
| [10:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: multi-arch should be forgeign on -data | |
| [10:29] <apachelogger> that's what I said | |
| [10:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all | |
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| [11:01] <apachelogger> sections appear a bit wrong all over the place | |
| [11:01] <apachelogger> Package: libkf5iconthemes5 | |
| [11:01] <apachelogger> Section: libdevel | |
| [11:01] <apachelogger> don't think that should be libdevel | |
| [11:04] <Riddell> you're right, it should not | |
| [11:05] <Riddell> although I long for the day when Section is removed from Debian policy, it's entirely pointless | |
| [11:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's an optional field | |
| [11:05] <apachelogger> even for source apparently | |
| [11:06] <Riddell> gosh | |
| [11:06] <apachelogger> pft | |
| [11:06] <apachelogger> policy doesn't even say what happens if you don't define it ^^ | |
| [11:06] <Riddell> Section: whocares ? | |
| [11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: just set libs on source and don't care otherwise | |
| [11:07] <apachelogger> current packaging sets section incorrectly for too many packages | |
| [11:07] <Riddell> then lintian moans about not setting libdevel or debug | |
| [11:07] <apachelogger> just realized that data also has libdevel | |
| [11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: override :P | |
| [11:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kapptemplate] r49 * Merge with debian, remaining changes... (by Rohan Garg) | |
| [11:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kapptemplate] r50 Release... (by Rohan Garg) | |
| [11:07] <kubotu> ::branches:: [qtwebkit-opensource-src] r73 Update arm64 and ppc64el symbols (by Timo Jyrinki) | |
| [11:08] <Riddell> all copy and paste errors I guess | |
| [11:08] <apachelogger> yeah | |
| [11:09] <apachelogger> and I keep saying that we need to do away with the copy and paste somehow :P | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 6 updates, showing the latest 5 | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [khtml] r30 Change libkf5khtml5-data to multi-arch:foreign (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [knotifyconfig] r25 * Fix data package name in control... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdelibs4support] r31 https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/... (by Jonathan Riddell) | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [plasma-framework] r31 [ José Manuel Santamaría Lema ]... (by Jonathan Riddell) | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r27 * Add libkf5iconthemes-data and add localization to it... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [11:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I wouldn't bother with breaks/replaces on packages now, it's just in a PPA that is experimental | |
| [11:21] <apachelogger> public is public | |
| [11:21] <sgclark> good morning | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> hola sgclark | |
| [11:22] <sgclark> so I have noticed the 4.100 packages are breaking the 4.96 workspace stuff | |
| [11:23] <apachelogger> yep, known defect | |
| [11:23] <Riddell> they're not binary compatible | |
| [11:24] <Riddell> so I'm leaving workspace until 4.100 kf5 is done | |
| [11:24] <apachelogger> also not source compatible actually because I thin headers were moved around | |
| [11:24] <Riddell> likely yes | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> :O | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> what's with the splitting in frameworkintegration? | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> kf5-infopage.install | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> kf5-integrationplugin.install | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> kf5-platformtheme.install | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> libkf5style5.install | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> libkf5style-dev.install | |
| [11:26] <apachelogger> splits gone wild | |
| [11:27] <Riddell> how would you do it? | |
| [11:27] <apachelogger> first 3 are one package frameworkintegration | |
| [11:28] <apachelogger> the first is basically data assets and the other two are plugins | |
| [11:29] <Riddell> okay | |
| [11:29] <Riddell> I'm off to lunch, I expect this all to be done by the time I get back :) | |
| [11:36] <apachelogger> dbg is also somehow a complete mess | |
| [11:36] <apachelogger> sometimes it uses sourcename, sometimes libnameso and sometimes libname | |
| [11:37] <yofel> packaging should be... colorful \o/ | |
| [11:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: you broke kservice again | |
| [11:49] <apachelogger> Recommends: libkf5service-bin (= ${source:Version}) | |
| [11:49] <apachelogger> I am actually not sure it is legit for a multiarch same package to recommend a non-multiarched package | |
| [11:49] <apachelogger> particularly with arch:any | |
| [11:52] * apachelogger wonders what E: libkf5service5: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN12KConfigGroup10writeEntryIiEEvPKcRKT_6QFlagsIN11KConfigBase15WriteConfigFlagEE@Base and 3 others is about | |
| [11:52] <apachelogger> oh, I didn't commit that change | |
| [11:58] <apachelogger> !find NetworkManager.pc | |
| [11:58] <ubottu> File NetworkManager.pc found in network-manager-dev | |
| [12:08] <kubotu> ::branches:: [kopete] r44 Move debian/* to top level dir (by Pali) | |
| [12:08] <apachelogger> filed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335786 for kdelibs4support being rubbish and orange on status page | |
| [12:08] <ubottu> KDE bug 335786 in general "FindNetworkManager not found" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | |
| [12:10] <apachelogger> the plasma packaging could be a bit bogus I think | |
| [12:13] <sgclark> bogus? | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r61 Add libkf5dnssd-data and add localization to it (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdeclarative] r32 * Add -data package... (by Jonathan Riddell) | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r62 Remove incorrect and pointless libdevel section from libkf5d... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdnssd] r63 Make libkf5dnssd5 depend on it (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r28 Make libkf5iconthemes5 depend on it (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:13] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r29 add data file... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [knotifyconfig] r26 * Fix data install file to use correct path... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kservice] r33 Add -bin package... (by Jonathan Riddell) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [frameworkintegration] r30 * Compound packaging:... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kiconthemes] r30 fix locale install path... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kservice] r34 * Update libkf5service5.symbols... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> ::branches-next:: [kdelibs4support] r32 * Add libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin.lintian-overrides... (by Harald Sitter) | |
| [12:14] <yofel> :O | |
| [12:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: can you make that notices? | |
| [12:14] <yofel> flood++ | |
| [12:14] <yofel> :D | |
| [12:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set rss.announce_method notice | |
| [12:14] <kubotu> aight | |
| [12:14] <apachelogger> should be better | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> sgclark: something is very wrong with the source | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> can't put my finger on it | |
| [12:18] <sgclark> ahh gotcha | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> though I guess the fact that half the stuff is multiarch and the other half is not does contribute to the feeling | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> :S | |
| [12:20] <apachelogger> I am not sure splitting libKF5PlasmaQuick from the qml assets is much use either | |
| [12:22] <apachelogger> well, the warning should be gone in ppa4 anyway | |
| [12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we'll want a new font package to make frameworkintegration cmake shut up about it not finding the font? | |
| [12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: a new one? what's wrong with the existing one? | |
| [12:45] <apachelogger> too old I guess | |
| [12:46] <apachelogger> oh no | |
| [12:46] <Riddell> hmm | |
| [12:46] <apachelogger> apparently we are simply not bdeping it | |
| [12:46] * apachelogger rolls eyse and fixes neon | |
| [12:46] <Riddell> it's marked as runtime anyway so fine to ignore | |
| [12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but it makes status orange | |
| [12:47] <apachelogger> so best just install it I'd say | |
| [12:47] <Riddell> not if it's marked as ignore in cmake-override | |
| [12:47] * Riddell makes it so | |
| [12:47] <apachelogger> ignores are evil | |
| [12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: not sure that will work for CMake Warning induced warning states btw | |
| [12:47] <apachelogger> from what I have seen in the code the ignores only work on actual feature lists at the bottom | |
| [12:49] <Riddell> mm maybe, let's see | |
| [12:49] <Riddell> upstreams who depend on something which is higher up in the stack are evil | |
| [12:49] <apachelogger> wasn't there a notion to not do runtime dep checks through cmake anyway? | |
| [12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: declarative still wip? | |
| [12:51] <apachelogger> because it's still red :P | |
| [12:54] <Riddell> "kdeclarative jriddell ppa2 up" says pad, if it's red then needs to go back to WIP, let me do so, probably my mess up | |
| [12:54] <apachelogger> This package contains kbuildsycoca5. | |
| [12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: please use generic descriptions | |
| [12:54] <apachelogger> e.g. This Package contains runtime binaries. | |
| [12:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: I disagree if there's only 1 binary, makes sense to make it search-able by that binary name | |
| [12:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: sure, then the package grows another binary and no one updates the description | |
| [12:56] <apachelogger> very pointless | |
| [12:57] <apachelogger> Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} | |
| [12:57] <apachelogger> what's the point of those btw? | |
| [12:58] <Riddell> no idea | |
| [12:58] <sgclark> no idea either, don't remember them being there before | |
| [12:59] <Riddell> bzr blame is your friend :) | |
| [13:00] <apachelogger> 1 jriddel | Pre-Depends: ${misc:Pre-Depends} | |
| [13:00] <apachelogger> I'll argue that one of you came up with them :P | |
| [13:04] <Riddell> I'm innocent I say! | |
| [13:04] <apachelogger> the log does not lie :P | |
| [13:06] <sgclark> lol | |
| [13:15] <Riddell> santa_: what did you think needed done to kdelibs4support for networkmanager? | |
| [13:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's bugged see backlog | |
| [13:16] <santa_> Riddell: going to create a a merge request soon, but I need to leave home for a little while first | |
| [13:16] <santa_> see you soon | |
| [13:33] <Riddell> frameworks all done! other than the networkmanager stuff in kdelibs4support | |
| [13:33] <shadeslayer> go merge KDE4 stuff! | |
| [13:34] <Riddell> sorry, plasma release needs some love next | |
| [13:34] <Riddell> plasma release just sounds so wrong | |
| [13:34] <Riddell> nim makes a face whenever I say it | |
| [13:34] <shadeslayer> xD | |
| [14:15] <santa_> I'm back, will prepare my partial work of kdelibs4support for merging | |
| [14:16] <Riddell> ah, I've a problem with my cunning plan | |
| [14:16] <Riddell> we're all working on trusty, but plasma needs qt 5.3, and there's only packages of that for utopic | |
| [14:24] <shadeslayer> quite neat that all news sites are showcasing Project Neon 5 ISO's :3 | |
| [14:25] <shadeslayer> yay | |
| [14:25] <shadeslayer> Qt 5.3 will be landing soonish | |
| [14:26] <santa_> <shadeslayer> Qt 5.3 will be landing soonish | |
| [14:26] <santa_> where? neon? ubuntu? debian sid? | |
| [14:26] <shadeslayer> youboontoo | |
| [14:27] * shadeslayer borrows a squid from apachelogger and throws it at kate | |
| [14:27] <yofel> sweet, canonical stuff or based on lisandro's packages? | |
| [14:27] <shadeslayer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2014-June/038350.html | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer> makes me think Canonical stuff | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^^ | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer> santa_: Neon already has Qt5.3 | |
| [14:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: got URLs for sites? | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2014/05/15/screenshots-of-kde-plasma-next-beta-1/ | |
| [14:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: deserved a kubuntu wire blog I'd say | |
| [14:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where did neon get qt 5.3? and is it based on trusty? | |
| [14:30] <Riddell> oh from its own packages I presume | |
| [14:30] <shadeslayer> ^^ | |
| [14:30] <shadeslayer> git stable | |
| [14:30] <Riddell> right | |
| [14:30] <shadeslayer> so much shit to merge | |
| [14:33] * shadeslayer could totally do with some Dr. Who right now | |
| [14:34] <santa_> kdelibs4suport done | |
| [14:37] <santa_> in the notes.k.o stuff I changed the following: | |
| [14:37] <santa_> replaced this http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List | |
| [14:37] <santa_> with this http://api.kde.org/frameworks-api/frameworks5-apidocs/ | |
| [14:38] <santa_> also I have added a link to my b-d graph | |
| [14:38] <santa_> I hope you guys are ok with this | |
| [14:38] <Riddell> groovy | |
| [14:40] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell did someone upload 4.13.1 to trusty? | |
| [14:40] <yofel> not me | |
| [14:40] <shadeslayer> because 4.13.2 is going to be out soon | |
| [14:40] <shadeslayer> should I do that | |
| [14:40] <yofel> yeah, should be done today | |
| [14:40] <shadeslayer> now that I have super powers | |
| [14:40] <yofel> go ahead | |
| [14:40] <shadeslayer> ok, let me run the script | |
| [14:40] <yofel> I think you'll have to merge kdelibs | |
| [14:41] <shadeslayer> bah | |
| [14:44] <shadeslayer> yofel: are you sure about that? | |
| [14:44] <shadeslayer> I see the meinproc fix in the PPA too | |
| [14:44] <yofel> oh, nevermind then | |
| [14:48] <santa_> Riddell, apachelogger & anyone else interested: if you have some time, there is something I would like to discuss with you before doing a mass-merge-proposals | |
| [14:49] <Riddell> santa_: looking at kdelibs4support, is that patch going upstream? | |
| [14:49] <santa_> I will send it to reviewboard, yes | |
| [14:49] <Riddell> lovely | |
| [14:49] <santa_> I think it's broken upstream | |
| [14:50] <Riddell> seems strange that everything else works in cmake but it does seem to sort the issue | |
| [14:50] <Riddell> santa_: what's your query on merge proposals? | |
| [14:51] <santa_> see this couple of commits by apachelogger | |
| [14:51] <santa_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kiconthemes/revision/31 | |
| [14:51] <santa_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/kiconthemes/revision/32 | |
| [14:51] <santa_> they reminded me a couple of things which I would like to change massively in the kf5 packages | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> do go on.. | |
| [14:52] <santa_> 1. in library packages, do not ship runtime or data files, it shouldn't contain anything but the library | |
| [14:53] <santa_> it's not the first time I see things in library packages which in my opinion shouldn't be there | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> that's what's been done generally, if you see packages which have stuff in libraries that will interfere with multi-arch then do separate them | |
| [14:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: do we have a bug number for 4.13.1 | |
| [14:54] <yofel> yes we do, see changelog | |
| [14:55] <santa_> it doesn't really matter if it interferes with multiarch or not, in general it's a good idea to not ship anything but the library in the lib packages | |
| [14:55] <shadeslayer> cool | |
| [14:55] <santa_> I could elaborate more later if you want, but let me explain the 2nd mass merge | |
| [14:56] <santa_> libkf5iconthemes5 recommends libkf5iconthemes-bin | |
| [14:56] <santa_> ↑ about this I think it could be done better | |
| [14:57] <shadeslayer> uploading | |
| [14:57] <santa_> the thing is libfoo5 usually can't depend on libfoo-bin because libfoo-bin it's also linked against libfoo5, therefore we would have a circular dependency problem | |
| [14:58] <shadeslayer> circular deps only affect depends afaik | |
| [14:58] <santa_> so one better way would be adding a dependency on libfoo-bin in libfoo5.symbols | |
| [14:59] <santa_> like in the debian packages with kde-runtime and libkdecore5 | |
| [14:59] <yofel> if lintian doesn't complain about a circular dep then it should be fine though | |
| [15:00] <santa_> if you inspect the symbols files of libkdecore5 you will see this http://paste.kde.org/pyajgldnr | |
| [15:00] <santa_> yofel: iirc it does, and, in general it's a bug | |
| [15:00] <Riddell> what's the problem with the recommends? | |
| [15:00] <yofel> santa_: I know that it's there, and we used it for baloo which bit us later | |
| [15:00] <Riddell> there might be a legit reason why you wanted to have something that used libfoo installed but not libfoo-bin, as I found out with baloo | |
| [15:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: do we usually mark the ubuntu-sru bug as affecting all the stuff one uploads? | |
| [15:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: no, just kde4libs | |
| [15:01] <shadeslayer> ack | |
| [15:02] <yofel> I actually believe you would kill a few launchpad queries if you did that... | |
| [15:02] <santa_> Riddell: the problem I see with recommends is that someone might have it disabled by default (think that you are trying to get these packages included in debian sid at some point) | |
| [15:03] <santa_> about this | |
| [15:03] <Riddell> if you disable recommends then you should be prepared for things not working with full features | |
| [15:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh btw no pushing to branches right :3 | |
| [15:07] <santa_> Riddell: the thing is: are you sure not having the -bin counterpart won't produce crashes or weird behaviours? | |
| [15:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: I should have reverted all of that | |
| [15:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: right, I called the script with --nopush, but I wanted to confirm since it's the first time I'm SRU'ing KDE SC | |
| [15:08] <yofel> ah yeah, --nopush has no effect with --sru | |
| [15:08] <shadeslayer> aha | |
| [15:08] <shadeslayer> awesoem | |
| [15:09] <Riddell> santa_: crashes would be a bug, weird behaviours maybe, but I don't think added it to .symbols files is any better than recommends | |
| [15:09] * shadeslayer is happy, no silly rejection emails | |
| [15:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I replied to their mail. | |
| [15:10] <shadeslayer> yep, saw it | |
| [15:14] <santa_> Riddell: I do, that's what I would have done if I were still working for debian, and that's what it's done in the current kde4 packaging with libkdecore5 and kde-runtime. so I would suggest you to talk about this with current debian's people. but if you want an unbiased judgement about the matter I strongly recommend you to not mention my name at all | |
| [15:15] <santa_> i.e. see what happened when you asked about allLibraries | |
| [15:16] <Riddell> santa_: yeah I'll discuss it, thanks | |
| [15:19] <santa_> Riddell: ok, let me know about the outcome, if we go for this change, I'm ready to do it. for now I will stick to the 1st massive change (which is ok, isn't it?) and I will use Recommends instead of the hard dependency as apachelogger did in his commit | |
| [15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you decide not to rename kf5-kio? | |
| [15:20] <santa_> oh, another less important thing | |
| [15:20] <Riddell> santa_: yes I think your first point is all good | |
| [15:21] <santa_> what about making a couple of metapackages: kde-frameworks-dev and kde-frameworks-dbg? | |
| [15:21] <santa_> so all the headers and dbg stuff could be installed with just one package | |
| [15:21] <shadeslayer> should probably go into meta-kde then | |
| [15:21] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. could you possibly add some flood protection to the bot that limits the output to like 10-15 messages? If kubuntu-initial-upload gets run on bzr it'll be busy for a while... | |
| [15:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: IIRC it does have flood protection | |
| [15:22] <shadeslayer> <kubotu> feed branches-next had 6 updates, showing the latest 5 | |
| [15:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: it did, but he either removed or raised the limit quite a bit | |
| [15:22] <shadeslayer> true | |
| [15:22] <shadeslayer> I think it's pointless to show these messages tbh :P | |
| [15:22] <santa_> shadeslayer: perhaps I would start them as a separate source package to make the merges of meta-kde easier | |
| [15:23] <shadeslayer> santa_: why? we already have additional things in meta-kde | |
| [15:23] <shadeslayer> actually, it probably makes more sense to have tier based meta packages | |
| [15:23] <shadeslayer> kde-frameworks-tier1-dev | |
| [15:23] <shadeslayer> or something like that | |
| [15:24] <santa_> shadeslayer: I dunno, less delta suggests me it would be easier, but it's your call since you are more familiar with ubuntu's merges | |
| [15:24] <shadeslayer> santa_: well, delta can be lowered by sending changes back to debian | |
| [15:24] <shadeslayer> pretty sure they'd be interested in such meta packages too | |
| [15:26] <santa_> shadeslayer: when you send the changes back to debian, remember that you don't know me XD | |
| [15:27] <shadeslayer> seeing how we're planning on moving to debian's infra soonish, I can't think of a issue | |
| [15:46] <ScottK> Metapackages shouldn't pull in libs. | |
| [15:46] <ScottK> They should be pulled in as needed by dependencies. | |
| [15:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: by that definition kde-developer-sdk is busted | |
| [15:49] <shadeslayer> depends on kdelibs5-dev | |
| [15:50] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdelibs5-dev isn't a lib. | |
| [15:50] <ScottK> A developer metapackage that depends on -dev's is fine. | |
| [15:50] <ScottK> That'll pull in the needed libs. | |
| [15:50] <shadeslayer> aha, ok, I thought that's what santa_ was suggesting | |
| [15:50] <santa_> that's what I was suggesting | |
| [15:51] <ScottK> Possible I'm misreading. I'm multi-tasking. | |
| [15:51] <shadeslayer> :) | |
| [15:51] <santa_> a -dev metapapackage which would install all frameworks -dev packages | |
| [15:51] <santa_> we could also do -tier1-dev and so on | |
| [15:51] <santa_> and a -dbg to install all the -dbg's | |
| [16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do I make tarme use a git branch? | |
| [16:08] <Riddell> it complains at this ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version $VERSION --gitbranch=frameworks kfilemetadata | |
| [16:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There's a ktp-contact-list SRU for trusty still waiting for verification. | |
| [16:20] <shadeslayer> /o\ | |
| [16:20] <ScottK> Please fix that. | |
| [16:21] <shadeslayer> put on my todo for tomorrow | |
| [16:25] <ScottK> I guess any lingering feeling bad I might have about not using LP is resolved. Canonical is moving away from it too: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2014/06/04/juju-is-now-on-github/ | |
| [16:26] <Riddell> gosh | |
| [16:27] <shadeslayer> fun seeing how LP got inline diff comments recently | |
| [16:27] <Riddell> I doubt that's the sole reason for its lack of popularity outside ubuntu | |
| [16:30] <ScottK> I did recently submit a change to a project on github. The ability to edit the file, make a commit in my own branch, and generate a pull request all in my web browser was pretty awesome. | |
| [16:32] <shadeslayer> yep | |
| [16:32] <shadeslayer> git lab is it's open source alternative | |
| [17:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to make a proposition to change the default power setings | |
| [17:06] <ovidiu-florin> can I ? | |
| [17:08] <ScottK> You can. | |
| [17:10] <ovidiu-florin> unfourtanetly I do't have a kubuntu box in front of me right now, so I'll do my best | |
| [17:11] <ovidiu-florin> It's super annoying on a fresh install when the monitor shuts down when you're watching a movie | |
| [17:11] <ovidiu-florin> or reading something (really slow) | |
| [17:12] <ovidiu-florin> I can't remember if this is the screen locker or powe settings | |
| [17:12] <ovidiu-florin> we should disable that (especially if it's a desktop, not a laptop) | |
| [17:13] <ovidiu-florin> many new kubuntu users have reported this to me | |
| [17:14] <ovidiu-florin> any feedback? | |
| [17:15] <ovidiu-florin> should I send this to the mail list? | |
| [17:15] <ovidiu-florin> along with some ideeas on how to fix this? | |
| [17:22] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: report upstream | |
| [17:23] <shadeslayer> because this is not something kubuntu specific | |
| [17:23] <shadeslayer> also, I'm out, cya tomorrow | |
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| [17:55] <soee> plasma next is in experimetnal ? but not usable yet ? | |
| [19:39] <Riddell> soee: now in the new kubuntu-ppa/next PPA | |
| [19:42] <soee> Riddell: this one is for plasma-next related stuff ? | |
| [19:42] <soee> or basically all the KF5, pasma etc? | |
| [19:43] <soee> also is it ready to install on trusty and does it replace current one ? | |
| [21:22] <soee> ping :) someone can tell something about plasma-next ? | |
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| [21:30] <Riddell> soee: it's not ready to install no | |
| [21:30] <Riddell> and it does replace plasma 1 | |
| [21:32] <soee> oh ok :) when can we expect installable version ? | |
| [21:50] <Riddell> setting times is a fools errand, it'll be done when it's done | |
| [21:50] <Riddell> I hope for next week | |
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| [22:43] <soee> thank you | |