2014/04/28/#ubuntu-app-devel.txt

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[04:56] <_vaibhav_> Hello, I missed the Ubuntu App Developer Week of march 2014. Can I get archives or ppt from somewhere?
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[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
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[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> when I started my app today, I god this
[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> QProcessPrivate::execChild() failed to chdir to /home/akiva/Programming/Example/build-Example-Desktop-Default/.ubuntu-sdk-deploy
[08:53] <Aki-Thinkpad> never had that before
[08:54] <Aki-Thinkpad> hmmm
[08:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> nevermind
[08:56] <Aki-Thinkpad> twas something else
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[12:17] <aquarius> I have a newly installed machine, which was 13.10 and then upgraded to 14.04. I installed Ubuntu SDK after the upgrade to 14.04. When I plug in my Ubuntu phone (nexus 4), it is not recognised by the SDK IDE as a device; the SDK IDE recognises that something was plugged in, but doesn't seem to think that it's Ubuntu. Do I need to do something to enable this?
[12:17] <popey> aquarius: probably need to re-enable the ppa
[12:17] <aquarius> what?
[12:17] <aquarius> I'm on 14.04
[12:17] <popey> ppas are disabled when you upgrade
[12:17] <aquarius> I still need the ppa? :(
[12:18] <popey> yes, always use the ppa AIUI
[12:18] <aquarius> oh.
[12:18] <aquarius> that'd explain it, then.
[12:18] <popey> it's much faster to deliver updates than via the SRU process
[12:18] <aquarius> so anyone developing for Ubuntu phone on 14.04 will need to enable a PPA first?
[12:18] <popey> i believe so, that's right bzoltan ?
[12:19] <aquarius> http://developer.ubuntu.com/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/ says "Add PPAs (pre Trusty only)"
[12:19] <aquarius> ah! but maybe I need ubuntu-device-flash, or phablet-tools?
[12:20] <aquarius> that doc page seems confused
[12:20] <aquarius> Install phablet-tools:
[12:20] <aquarius> $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash
[12:20] <aquarius> so now I don't know which to install :)
[12:20] <popey> those are the phablet tools
[12:20] <popey> "The Phablet Tools"
[12:20] <popey> are in package ubuntu-device-flash
[12:20] <aquarius> the next step is
[12:20] <aquarius> List its tools with:
[12:20] <aquarius> $ dpkg -L phablet-tools | grep bin
[12:20] <ogra_> ubuntu-device-flash is in its pwn package
[12:20] <ogra_> *own
[12:20] <popey> oh dear
[12:21] <popey> yes, that doc is wrong
[12:21] <aquarius> ubuntu-device-flash does not seem to depend on phablet-tools
[12:21] <ogra_> and all packages are in trusty ... you shouldnt need the PPA at this point of time
[12:21] <aquarius> do I need both packages?
[12:22] <ogra_> (i assume the PPA will get updated packages for truesty once there are new changes ... and that will be faster than waiting for SRUs, so using the PPA *then* will make sense ... atm you shouldnt need it though)
[12:23] <aquarius> I *think* that the doc error is just that "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash" should be "Install phablet-tools: $ sudo apt-get install phablet-tools" (because you installed ubuntu-device-flash in the previous step)
[12:23] <popey> ogra_: the ppa has stuff build 5 days ago
[12:23] <aquarius> I'll file a bug.
[12:23] <ogra_> ah, then the PPA might make sense already
[12:26] <aquarius> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313692 filed
[12:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1313692 in Ubuntu App Developer site ""Installing Ubuntu for Devices" page is confused about package names" [Undecided,New]
[12:26] <aquarius> shouldn't ubuntu-device-flash recommend phablet-tools?
[12:27] <ogra_> why ?
[12:27] <ogra_> you dont need developer tools to flash as enduser
[12:27] <aquarius> oh, u-d-f is completely self-contained?
[12:27] <aquarius> fair enough then
[12:27] <ogra_> its a go tool :)
[12:28] <ogra_> afaik it can even run on MAC
[12:28] <aquarius> bah
[12:29] <dpm> dholbach,  do you have an idea why the click reviewers tool finds this error: "Could not find 'com.ubuntu.terminal.desktop.in'" when running over http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/click/com.ubuntu.terminal_0.5.latest_armhf.click ?
[12:29] <dpm> I've no idea where it gets the idea to look for a .in file
[12:29] <aquarius> hasn't helped. I have installed both phablet-tools and ubuntu-device-flash, and the Ubuntu SDK IDE still doesn't identify my Ubuntu phone when I plug it in :(
[12:29] <aquarius> bzoltan, ping ^^
[12:30] <dpm> dholbach, nm, I found out
[12:30] <dpm> it reads it from the manifest, which listed the wrong file
[12:35] <nerochiaro> artmello: hi, when you have some time can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/gallery-app/gallery-app-flip-hint/+merge/216079 ?
[12:35] <aquarius> The "Log" tab says: "Detecting device..* there is no device connected." What prints that? So I can try and work out why it isn't working?
[12:35] <artmello> nerochiaro: sure
[12:35] <dpm> aquarius, do you have any "Ubuntu device" devices listed under Tools > Options > Devices?
[12:35] <aquarius> dpm, nope, I do not
[12:36] <dpm> aquarius, ah, I had some problems with my device last week, and deleting them from there helped me. In that case, you might want to ask zbenjamin ^
[12:37] <zbenjamin> its not picked up? thats weird, what happens after you press refresh when you plugged in your device?
[12:38] <aquarius> zbenjamin, I don't have a refresh button, I don't think
[12:38] <aquarius> zbenjamin, where should I be looking for one?
[12:38] <zbenjamin> aquarius: do you have the device mode available in QtCreator?
[12:39] <zbenjamin> aquarius: on the left side where you have , welcome, edit, design and so on, there should be also one saying Device
[12:39] <aquarius> zbenjamin, there is a devices entry on the left-hand sidebar. Clicking it shows an "Ubuntu Device" pane, with three bottom tabs: Device Actions, Emulators, and Log. Device Actions is afaict completely empty; Emulators invites me to install the emulator, and Log says "Detecting device..* there is no device connected."
[12:40] <zbenjamin> aquarius: ok plug in your device and run "abd devices -l" in a terminal+
[12:41] <aquarius> 01df8dd49ccb99f7       device usb:3-1 product:occam model:Nexus_4 device:mako
[12:41] <zbenjamin> ok so adb can see it, but why can't QtC
[12:41] <aquarius> don't know; that's why I asked :)
[12:42] <zbenjamin> aquarius: there is no "Refresh" button on the Devices tab? there should be oO
[12:43] <aquarius> http://imgur.com/iZkrGLN is what it looks like.
[12:43] <Elleo> aquarius: dunno if it's relevant, but I had a similar problem a long time ago after having one of Nokia's QtCreator MeeGo bundles installed, and removing the old config files from (I think) ~/.config/QtProject and ~/.config/Nokia solved it
[12:43] <Elleo> I know you did a bit of N9 development, so maybe you have something similar hanging over?
[12:44] <aquarius> Elleo, not on this machine. This is new
[12:44] <Elleo> ah, okay
[12:44] <zbenjamin> aquarius: wth? never saw this error before
[12:44] <aquarius> I hadn't even installed the ubuntu sdk until I upgraded to 14.04 this weekend :)
[12:44] <aquarius> zbenjamin, you see my confusion :)
[12:44] <Elleo> aquarius: yeah, mine wasn't completely blank like yours either
[12:44] <Elleo> it just kept searching for the device, failing, searching again, etc.
[12:44] <aquarius> zbenjamin, I'm happy to provide info to try and work out why this is; then you chaps can perhaps try and fix the underlying bug which causes it
[12:44] <zbenjamin> aquarius: start qtc from the cli maybe it outputs something of interest for us
[12:45] <Elleo> plus this was all back in October so a lot has probably changed since then
[12:45] <aquarius> OK. Does the Ubuntu SDK link in the dash/launcher just do "qtcreator"? or does it do somethnig special?
[12:45] <zbenjamin> just qtcreator
[12:45] <dpm> zbenjamin, aquarius, I actually get that blank screen whenever I plug in anything (non-phone) into any USB slots with Qt Creator running
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[12:46] <aquarius> aha!
[12:46] <aquarius> now device actions is showing me stuff
[12:46] <aquarius> don't know why :)
[12:46] <zbenjamin> aquarius: you can see something now on the page?
[12:47] <aquarius> yep
[12:47] <zbenjamin> aquarius: sometimes the device detection is a bit flaky and gets stuck somewhere, probably a hickup
[12:47] <aquarius> now it's complaining that my device doesn't have a network connection, which it does, but I'm OK to continue on my own now :)
[12:47] <zbenjamin> aquarius: rule of thumb: plug in and out ;)
[12:47] <aquarius> don't know why it was a blank page before
[12:48] <aquarius> ok, I lied
[12:48] <aquarius> plugging the phone in is now correctly detected, hooray
[12:48] <zbenjamin> awesome :)
[12:48] <aquarius> however, Ubuntu SDK says "No network connection on your device", which is a big lie because there is a network connection :)
[12:49] <aquarius> there is also a large "Enable Developer Mode" button on the right hand side of the Ubuntu Device pane, but it's insensitive.
[12:49] <zbenjamin> aquarius: this device page is really buggy, we have a new version in landing which hopefully will be available soon.
[12:50] <aquarius> ok. So, in the meantime... can I just not deploy apps to my device for testing? :(
[12:50] <aquarius> ah
[12:50] <aquarius> redetect devices woke it up
[12:50] <aquarius> excellent!
[12:50] <aquarius> now we're cooking. I can see the device fine.
[12:50] <aquarius> brilliant
[12:51] <aquarius> not brilliant that it was confusing, but at least it's resolved now, and you've already fixed a bunch of this by the sound of it :)
[12:51] <aquarius> thank you zbenjamin
[12:51] <zbenjamin> aquarius: the network connection is required for installing packages on the device, its not required if developer mode is already on
[12:52] <zbenjamin> aquarius: well the new page is less confusing i hope :), it still can get stuck but it should never be completely empty
[12:52] <zbenjamin> aquarius: and its written using Ubuntu UI toolkit :)
[12:54] <aquarius> nice :)
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[13:43] <dholbach> bzoltan, zbenjamin: is http://askubuntu.com/questions/260185/is-there-way-to-compile-qt5-programs-written-with-c-to-ubuntu-touch something we should answer differently today?
[13:44] <zbenjamin> dholbach: yeah we should, the default way would be to use cmake
[13:45] <zbenjamin> dholbach: and with cmake we have full QtC support
[14:03] <dpm> balloons, joining the core apps call?
[14:10] <rpadovani> dpm, https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/reminders-app/improveFirstRunWorkaround/+merge/217450
[14:10] <rpadovani> mardy: ciao, could you ping me when you have 10 minutes for a query? I have a couple of questions about online accounts
[14:17] <mardy> rpadovani: ciao! There you go :-)
[15:03] <rickspencer3> hey, is there anyone who can help me use qtcreator to make a web app?
[15:08] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, ^ ?
[15:11] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/
[15:12] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, I'm just trying to wrap up an existing web site
[15:12] <rickspencer3> that documentation looks more like for making a full blown app
[15:12] <rickspencer3> am I missing something?
[15:12] <justCarakas> ow that is something else indeed
[15:13] <rickspencer3> more like http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/ , I guess
[15:13] <justCarakas> its very simple
[15:13] <justCarakas> in the sdk
[15:13] <justCarakas> new project
[15:13] <justCarakas> and than web app
[15:14] <justCarakas> just fill everything in there
[15:14] <justCarakas> if I remember correctly
[15:15] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, how do I package it, test it, etc...?
[15:17] <elopio> ping mardy.
[15:17] <elopio> do you have some time for me today?
[15:18] <justCarakas> by running it in the sdk I think
[15:18] <aquarius> Is there some way to tell QML "hey, someitem.someproperty ought to have a new value now but it hasn't; recalculate it, please"?
[15:18] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: have you tried the sdk yet ?
[15:19] <rickspencer3> justCarakas, yes, but it looks quite desktop centric
[15:19] <rickspencer3> and I still don't see in QtCreator how to just simply run it to test it out
[15:19] <justCarakas> the green button on thebottom left
[15:20] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[15:20] <justCarakas> else you can try this
[15:20]  * rickspencer3 looks
[15:21] <rickspencer3> aah, there seems to be no QtCreator integration yet :)
[15:21] <rickspencer3> for building at least
[15:22] <daker> rickspencer3: to build it, just run click build . inside the directory
[15:22] <justCarakas> rickspencer3: than the link I send should contain the answer
[15:22] <rickspencer3> daker, right
[15:22] <rickspencer3> daker, then how do I run it, etc...?
[15:22] <daker> rickspencer3: on desktop ?
[15:22] <ogra_> adb push it to /home/phablet
[15:23] <ogra_> then: pkcon install-local /path/to/click
[15:23] <rickspencer3> daker, right, typically I would run an app on my desktop to make sure it is working well
[15:23] <ogra_> (as phablet user)
[15:23] <rickspencer3> ogra_, right, seems like installing it is a bit over kill
[15:23] <rickspencer3> also, I may want to write a little code to integrate with the sound menu
[15:23] <rickspencer3> seems like being able to do a run/debug loop would be nice :)
[15:25] <daker> rickspencer3: first you need to make sure the Exec line works on desktop
[15:26] <daker> ex : webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://m.youtube.com/* http://m.youtube.com
[15:26] <rickspencer3> so just run the exec line?
[15:26] <rickspencer3> easy
[15:26] <ogra_> wouldnt that be webapp-container nowadays ?
[15:26] <ogra_> webbrowser-app --webapp is the old way
[15:26] <ogra_> for the 13.10 API
[15:27] <daker> ogra_: yes that what i was going ask too :)
[15:27] <ogra_> for oxide you want webbrowser-app
[15:27] <ogra_> err
[15:27] <daker> that's what the QTC give on 14.04
[15:27] <ogra_> webapp-container
[15:28] <rickspencer3> ogra_, what should I use instead?
[15:28] <rickspencer3> I just used the QtCreator template
[15:28] <rickspencer3> webbrowser-app --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:29] <rickspencer3> changed to:
[15:29] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --webapp --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:29] <rickspencer3> seems to work also
[15:29] <ogra_> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns= ... http://foo.com
[15:30] <rickspencer3> ogra_, do I need "--webapp"?
[15:30] <daker> rickspencer3: just remove the --webapp and s/webbrowser-app/webapp-container
[15:30] <ogra_> shoudn't
[15:31] <daker> we should file a bug against QTC for this
[15:31] <ogra_> ++
[15:38] <rickspencer3> ogra_, so the behavoir in the webapp container is different than in chromium
[15:38] <rickspencer3> is there something I should know wrt css or similar?
[15:38] <ogra_> no idea, best to ask chrisccoulson
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[15:39] <ogra_> i havent really tested any of the mobile sites my webapps use with chromium
[15:39] <ogra_> (they work well enough with oxide though)
[15:40] <rickspencer3> interesting
[15:40] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, any reason this would not work on my desktop?
[15:40] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://www.phishtracks.com/* http://www.phishtracks.com
[15:40]  * rickspencer3 updates
[15:41]  * ogra_ would remove the www from the pattern
[15:41] <rickspencer3> oh, 457 megs of updates
[15:41] <rickspencer3> maybe I am a little behind ;)
[15:42] <aquarius> rickspencer3, that works pretty much fine for me -- what's not working for you?
[15:43] <rickspencer3> aquarius, you can play a song?
[15:43] <ogra_> did you enable audio in apparmor ?
[15:43] <aquarius> oh, it's supposed to play music, is it? :)
[15:43] <rickspencer3> I bet it will work after this update
[15:43] <rickspencer3> aquarius, yeah :)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> ogra_, do I need to do that on the desktop?
[15:44] <rickspencer3> I'm suspecting I have an out of date oxide because I haven't upgraded in a while
[15:44] <ogra_> i never tried a webapp on the desktop :)
[15:44] <aquarius> indeed. In the webapp container, it's not showing the play bar at the bottom, or playing any songs
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3 :)
[15:44] <rickspencer3> hi chrisccoulson
[15:44] <aquarius> also, I hate phish :)
[15:44] <chrisccoulson> what's the issue (i've not read the whole scrollback yet)?
[15:45] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, my web app doesnt work, at least not on my desktop
[15:45] <rickspencer3> webapp-container --enable-back-forward --webappUrlPatterns=https?://phishtracks.com/* http://phishtracks.com
[15:45] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, it should play music
[15:45] <rickspencer3> but breaks in different ways
[15:46] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I haven't tried running it on my phone or anything yet, though
[15:46] <aquarius> also, I can't get --inspector to work, either
[15:46] <aquarius> which makes it hard to diagnose the problem
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, it seems to play music here (in a plain webview though). do you have oxideqt-codecs-extra installed?
[15:48] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I dunno
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> aquarius, i think alex-abreu is working on that :)
[15:48] <rickspencer3> let me finish this upgrade and then check
[15:48] <rickspencer3> I have this feeling that the root problem is that I forgot that I am a bit out of date on this 'puter :)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, it's not installed by default, so I suspect not. and I bet you need that for it to work :)
[15:48] <alex-abreu> chrisccoulson, aquarius yes
[15:49] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, ah
[15:49] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll install that when this is done
[15:49] <pmcgowan> yep that fixes it, nice webapp
[15:49] <rickspencer3> pmcgowan, I guess to make it really nice I need to integrate it with the sound menu\
[15:50] <aquarius> alex-abreu, ah, cool. I was wondering whether I had to specify --inspector=yes or somethnig :)
[15:50] <rickspencer3> which doesn't look too too hard
[15:50]  * pmcgowan finds watcher of the skies, wow
[15:51] <alex-abreu> aquarius, should land soon, I have a branch lying for some time need to MR it & retest it
[15:51] <aquarius> bah, I thought you'd be able to do webapp-container --inject-this-script=myintegrationscript.js but you can't -- you'll have to write the webapp integration script (for the sound menu integration, using the unity webapps api) and then install it :(
[15:51] <pmcgowan> aquarius, btw stuck on level 8
[15:51] <aquarius> pmcgowan, heh. Which one's level 8?
[15:51]  * rickspencer3 drums fingers
[15:51] <pmcgowan> somethign about those included in classification
[15:52] <pmcgowan> was sure I had the answer 3 times
[15:52] <aquarius> pmcgowan, the app describes itself as requiring psychology, intelligence, lateral thinking, research, and guesswork. This one is basically all research. :)
[15:53] <pmcgowan> aquarius, will do, although I thought I did ;)
[15:53] <aquarius> it's picky about capitalisation and things like that
[15:53] <aquarius> (I'm going to make Riddling 2 less picky about that; I thought it'd make it more fun, but it just makes it annoying)
[15:54] <pmcgowan> aquarius, you need to add things like "close but not quite" or "gettign warmer"
[15:57] <aquarius> pmcgowan, yeah. That's difficult to do, though...
[15:57] <dbarth> rickspencer3: pong
[15:59] <rickspencer3> hi dbarth
[15:59] <rickspencer3> so, I think I might be sorted
[16:00] <rickspencer3> just waiting for this update to run, then I need to sudo apt-get install oxideqt-codecs-extra
[16:00] <rickspencer3> dbarth, fyi
[16:00] <dbarth> rickspencer3: sorry, was otp and missed the rest
[16:00] <rickspencer3> QtCreator is creating an incorrect exec line
[16:00] <rickspencer3> and also, it seems like it should be hooked up to the QtCreator run button
[16:01] <rickspencer3> and also, the packaging tab should work
[16:01] <dbarth> rickspencer3: if you on trusty, you need an update of qtc-plugin-ubuntu
[16:01] <rickspencer3> dbarth, aaah
[16:01] <dbarth> to be able to run the app on dvice
[16:01] <rickspencer3> I bet it all works after this update
[16:01] <dbarth> i caught this one last week and released an update :/
[16:01] <dbarth> yes
[16:01] <rickspencer3> sorry dbarth, I bet all my problems go away when I am up to date :)
[16:01] <dbarth> https://code.launchpad.net/~dbarth/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/fix-1311692
[16:01] <rickspencer3> I didn't realize how out of date I was :)
[16:02] <rickspencer3> a whole week!
[16:02] <rickspencer3> :)
[16:02] <aquarius> dbarth, has that fix been srued? or are we basically requiring app devs on 14.04 to enable the PPA?
[16:02] <rickspencer3> oh
[16:02] <dbarth> not SRU'ed, as last week was not possible
[16:02] <rickspencer3> no way am I running the PPA
[16:02] <rickspencer3> lol
[16:02] <dbarth> but uploaded to the sdk ppa where devs are supposed to be taking updates for the SDK
[16:02] <aquarius> rickspencer3, that's why I asked the question. I don't want to run the PPA either :)
[16:02] <dbarth> ah
[16:02] <dbarth> then i need to lobby again for an sru, but that was not possible last week
[16:03] <rickspencer3> dbarth, sure, understood
[16:03] <dbarth> let me ping back the sdk/ci folks about it
[16:03] <dbarth> rickspencer3: but apart from that, did you find what you needed?
[16:03] <rickspencer3> dbarth, I think so
[16:03] <aquarius> rickspencer3, I can confirm that with oxide-qtcodecs-extra installed, your webapp works fine
[16:03] <dbarth> rickspencer3: ok cool
[16:03] <rickspencer3> I'll let you know if this update doesn't fix everything
[16:04] <dbarth> rickspencer3: you might want to try the latest runtime API which was made available to html5 app devs
[16:04] <rickspencer3> dbarth, ok, my next step will be sound menu integration
[16:04] <dbarth> rickspencer3: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/html5/sdk-14.04/RuntimeApi.RuntimeApi/
[16:04] <rickspencer3> I may ask for pointers
[16:05] <rickspencer3> omg, this upgrade is taking *forever*4
[16:05] <dbarth> rickspencer3: hmm, not on touch though, we're not plugged into the media hub yet
[16:05] <rickspencer3> dbarth, oh? I can't add sound menu integration yet?
[16:05] <aquarius> rickspencer3, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/javascript/web-docs/#mediamenu
[16:05] <rickspencer3> that makes it easy :)
[16:05] <aquarius> you should be able to integrate into the sound menu
[16:06] <aquarius> your problem will be that when your phone blanks the screen, the music will stop playing
[16:06] <rickspencer3> aquarius, I think dbarth just said this doesn't work on Touch yet
[16:06] <rickspencer3> aquarius, oh, it doesn't use the media service yet?
[16:06] <rickspencer3> ouch
[16:06] <aquarius> but that's not anything that you can fix; that's for dbarth and chrisccoulson to fix in Oxide so that it talks to the media hub :)
[16:06] <rickspencer3> that's seriously ouch
[16:06] <aquarius> I might be wron
[16:06] <dbarth> cause we couldn't pass the stream yet
[16:06] <aquarius> wrong
[16:06] <aquarius> don't listen to me, listen to a bald French guy instead :P
[16:07] <dbarth> or 2 ;)
[16:07] <rickspencer3> dbarth, I assume that fixing this is on your roadmap?
[16:07] <dbarth> yes, now we have the underlying support
[16:07] <rickspencer3> cool
[16:08] <rickspencer3> dbarth, if I put my app in the store now, will it just magically start wokring when that support is added?
[16:08]  * rickspencer3 likes magic
[16:09] <dbarth> just discussing it on hangout with alex-abreu
[16:09] <dbarth> trying to make it magic
[16:09] <dbarth> currently on the desktop it's explicit, so would require some hints
[16:10] <dbarth> but now we think that as soon as you have a stream that goes via media hub
[16:10] <dbarth> *that* part could be implicit, and hence be there magically for you
[16:10] <dbarth> ie., for the stream, play/pause, that could be transparent
[16:11] <rickspencer3> dbarth, oh wow
[16:11] <dbarth> next/prev action suppotr should still require explicit instructions in your app
[16:11] <rickspencer3> ah, that makes sense
[16:11] <rickspencer3> I'll skip the menu integration for now then :)
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[16:12] <dbarth> rickspencer3: is that a new app? i was following the scope dev you were doing lately
[16:12] <rickspencer3> dbarth, sorry, I missed something, not certain what you are asking about
[16:13] <dbarth> rickspencer3: if the sample app you're doing is something you share on g+ the way you did with the scopes
[16:13] <rickspencer3> dbarth, well, I might do a little write up of this web-app
[16:13] <dbarth> rickspencer3: this way we can use that as a "user story" to guide our devs on the html5 stack
[16:13] <rickspencer3> but when said and done, there's not much to it
[16:13] <dbarth> map your use cases first
[16:26] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, thoughts?
[16:26] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7353439/
[16:28] <daker> rickspencer3: you need to install oxide-qt something package
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[16:29] <daker> rickspencer3: liboxideqt-qmlplugin
[16:29]  * rickspencer3 tries
[16:32] <rickspencer3> daker, I don't think it's that particular package, as it says it's already at the latest
[16:32]  * rickspencer3 tries liboxideqt-qmlplugin
[16:32] <rickspencer3> oops
[16:32] <rickspencer3> I mean oxideqmlscene
[16:32] <rickspencer3> no love
[16:33]  * davmor2 pictures rickspencer3 delving into a tophat, screaming abracadabra at his phone
[16:33] <rickspencer3> hi davmor2
[16:33] <rickspencer3> I suspect that I need to dist-upgrade to get new versions
[16:34]  * rickspencer3 runs dist-upgrade
[16:34] <daker> rickspencer3: i think you need to run it
[16:34] <daker> AFAIK oxide is at 1.0 not 0.1 if i am not wrong
[16:34] <rickspencer3> ok
[16:34] <rickspencer3> it's running now :)
[16:35] <rickspencer3> I should have just done a dist-upgrade to start with
[16:38] <rickspencer3> \o/ all works now :)
[16:38] <aquarius> Can I disable the HUD in my app?
[16:39] <aquarius> I'm experimenting with the bottom edge
[16:39] <daker> rickspencer3: congrats!
[16:39] <aquarius> and when I pull up I keep getting the HUD :)
[16:39] <rickspencer3> being up to date ftw ;)
[16:49] <t1mp> aquarius: I think the app cannot do that.. unity8 needs to disable it
[16:49] <t1mp> aquarius: cool that you are experimenting with the bottom edge. Are you using the Panel component?
[16:49] <aquarius> t1mp, oh. :(
[16:50] <aquarius> t1mp, not using the panel: should I be? I didn't even know that existed :)
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: it is one option.. it detects bottom edge swipes and tracks how far you moved your finger up
[16:50] <aquarius> oh really?
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: pretty basic, but it could save a bit of work
[16:50] <aquarius> I'm doing that by hand ;)
[16:50] <t1mp> aquarius: that's how I did it ;)
[16:51] <aquarius> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.Panel ?
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: I discovered a bug last week that got in there recently.. I fixed it in UITK staging but it still needs to land in the images
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: yes, that one
[16:51] <aquarius> heh. DIdn't know about that.
[16:51] <t1mp> https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fixPanel/+merge/217014 this needs to land first
[16:51] <t1mp> aquarius: currently, when you move your mouse in the panel-area, it automatically fully opens (just like the toolbar for desktop), that shouldn't happen..
[16:52] <aquarius> although it's not all that useful to me, because the contents and size change depending on how far you've swiped up, in the thing I'm doing
[16:52] <aquarius> and a Panel has a fixed size which is predeclared, looking at this API documentation
[16:52] <t1mp> aquarius: I have a tiny bottom-edge test program here: https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/+junk/vscale
[16:52] <aquarius> I may have a look at that
[16:52] <t1mp> aquarius: ah yes I remember.. on purpose I didn't tell people of the Panel because of that bug.. waiting for the fix to land
[16:53] <aquarius> I'm not really doing this to actually use it, I'm doing it to try and suggest a different approach to how the web browser should work, inspired by opera coast :)
[16:53] <aquarius> and I want to put together a working demo
[16:53] <t1mp> aquarius: uhm.. right. I didn't think of multiple-stages of swiping up yet when I made the panel
[16:53] <aquarius> and try out some bottom edge things at the same time
[16:53] <t1mp> aquarius: I haven't tried opera coast, but when you have some cool new interaction I'd be happy to check it out :)
[16:53] <aquarius> t1mp, yeah -- not a problem. I wasn't particularly expecting what I'm trying to do to be catered for by an out-of-the-box component :P
[16:54] <aquarius> t1mp, once I have something I'll wave it at you :)
[16:54] <t1mp> aquarius: thanks
[16:55] <t1mp> aquarius: app developers can think of their own crazy stuff for the bottom edge, so it is near impossible to have out-of-the-box components for that
[16:55] <aquarius> ya
[16:55] <aquarius> definitely
[16:55] <aquarius> something like your Panel is a good starting point, though, I think
[16:55] <t1mp> aquarius: when it turns out that there are a few standard approaches that work, we can put something for that in our toolkit
[16:55] <rickspencer3> dbarth, when I am making my webapp I need to create a manifest.json file before I use click build?
[16:55] <rickspencer3> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[16:55] <aquarius> and if lots of people start doing things similar to what I'm doing here, then a MultiPanePanel component would be an obvious next step
[17:06] <rickspencer3> beuno, wow, auto scanning ftw
[17:23] <popey> rickspencer3: you sure about m.phishtracks.com ?
[17:23] <popey> it doesn't load here
[17:23] <popey> Host m.phishtracks.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[17:27] <dbarth> rickspencer3: yes, like any normal app
[17:27] <dbarth> rickspencer3: qtc should have done it for you already
[17:28] <dbarth> you need the webview policy_group in particular
[17:28] <dbarth> http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/
[17:29] <dbarth> rickspencer3: are you doing a local html5 app, or just wrapping a website (ie a "webapp") ?
[17:32] <dbarth> kyleN: ^^ is there still a page on d.u.c which makes the difference between the 2?
[17:33] <kyleN> dbarth, are you referring to webapps v html5 apps?
[17:34] <kyleN> dbarth: currently there is a top level section called "web"
[17:34] <kyleN> I think the intention of this is to cover webapps
[17:35] <kyleN> I think this 'web' content needs to be clarified.
[17:35] <kyleN> for example just hours ago I filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntudeveloperportal/+bug/1313769
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1313769 in Ubuntu App Developer site "web landing page unclear on what a web app is" [Undecided,New]
[17:35] <kyleN> that subject is separate from html5 apps on the dev portal
[17:35] <dbarth> kyleN: totally
[17:36] <kyleN> they are covered under apps/html-5: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/
[17:36] <rpadovani> Hey all :-) There is a simple way to close a popup dialog outsidethe dialog itself?
[17:36] <beuno> rickspencer3, indeed!
[17:36] <kyleN> dbarth, perhaps we can meet to discusses what the webapps content really should be
[17:37] <dbarth> kyleN: during the weekly tomorrow, that sounds like a good way to restart
[17:37] <dbarth> planning updates to the online docs
[17:37] <kyleN> OK, see you then dbarth
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[18:21] <rickspencer3> beuno, hey, I'm having a weird effect with the web app I just published
[18:21] <beuno> rickspencer3, tell me more
[18:21] <rickspencer3> so, when I run it, I get an error in a browser window
[18:21] <rickspencer3> that says that m.phishtracks.com is not availble
[18:22] <rickspencer3> but I never told it to look at m. anything
[18:22] <rickspencer3> I'm wondering if I screwed something up somewhere in my package
[18:22] <beuno> rickspencer3, can you pastebin the manifest file?
[18:23] <rickspencer3> beuno, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7354190/
[18:24] <beuno> jdstrand, do you have any clues as to what to look at?
[18:24] <beuno> it looks fine, although I forget what the policy for webapps and their urls are
[18:25] <rickspencer3> beuno, they are in the desktop file, I think
[18:25] <rickspencer3> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7354203/
[18:25] <beuno> rickspencer3, does it look sane there?  you may be getting redirected due to the user agent?
[18:25] <jdstrand> sounds like a redirect is happening
[18:25] <jdstrand> what is the contents of the desktop file?
[18:25] <jdstrand> ah
[18:27] <rickspencer3> ffs
[18:27] <rickspencer3> jdstrand,
[18:27] <rickspencer3> beuno,
[18:27] <rickspencer3> nm
[18:27] <rickspencer3> I cannot believe I did this
[18:27] <rickspencer3> let me make an update
[18:27] <jdstrand> ok
[18:27]  * beuno sits back down
[18:27] <jdstrand> beuno: hey, I was just about to ask you
[18:28] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, beuno I think I never saved the file in QtCreator :(
[18:28] <jdstrand> beuno: used to be when the device downloaded a click package, it was saved in .local/share/ubuntu-download-manager/Downloads
[18:28] <rickspencer3> because it doesn't have a run button for web apps
[18:29] <jdstrand> beuno: that doesn't seem to happen any more. How can I download an app so that I have the click package? (really, I don't care about the phone at this point-- I want the trip advisor app for a change I am making to the review scripts)
[18:30]  * beuno is wrapping up a call
[18:35] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: jdstrand I got disconnected while seeing this, but if this autosave is not yours, then something is forcing the m http://paste.ubuntu.com/7354251/
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, yeah, so it was because I didn't save the file in QtCreator
[18:36]  * rickspencer3 dope slaps self
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, I was testing it on my desktop by pasting the exec line into a terminal
[18:36] <sergiusens> well at least it's solved :-)
[18:36] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, "solved"
[18:41] <beuno> jdstrand, sorry, I don't follow. You download from the phone's browser?
[18:42] <jdstrand> beuno: I was looking for the trip advisor click package. I had downloaded it on my phone at some point in the past. I can't find the click any more on my device
[18:43] <beuno> jdstrand, ah, mandel would know about the download manager
[18:43] <jdstrand> beuno: (I installed it via the scope)
[18:43] <beuno> ah, installed!
[18:43] <beuno> jdstrand, image 303?
[18:43] <jdstrand> beuno: if it isn't on the device any more, how can I find and download it from the store
[18:43] <jdstrand> ?
[18:44] <beuno> jdstrand, searching from the scope doesn't do it?
[18:44] <jdstrand> beuno: it isn't a preinstall
[18:44] <jdstrand> beuno: sorry, I want the actual click package file so I can run the review scripts on it
[18:44] <hakermania> Is there any way to have a dependent package and and run code in your application only if this package is available?
[18:44] <beuno> aah
[18:45] <beuno> jdstrand, is it the same if I give you a link to download it?
[18:45] <jdstrand> beuno: that would unblock me, yes.
[18:45] <hakermania> For example, I want to make unity support for kdenlive, but it will be weird a KDE application to depend on libunity. So it could be a suggested package. Using libunity.h would demand to build against libunity-dev and thus libunity's so files will be a direct package dependency.
[18:45] <hakermania> Is there any way to overcome this?
[18:45] <jdstrand> though, it would be nice if I could snag these things on my own without having to ping you
[18:47] <beuno> jdstrand, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/252/
[18:47] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:59] <beuno> jdstrand, you will be able to soon
[19:00] <beuno> jdstrand, with the appstore website
[19:00] <jdstrand> ok, cool
[19:00] <jdstrand> I thought that might be the case
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[23:47] <gerlowskija> Has anyone noticed the Reminders App creating empty notes at times.  I'm seeing it on my Desktop.  I'll have a Note open in the app for editing, and every 20 seconds or so a new 'Untitled' note appears in the sidebar
[23:48] <gerlowskija> Maybe my touchpad is overly sensitive though and it's just driving me nuts.