| [07:32] <apachelogger> yofel, Riddell: because I am a lazy bum never doing the fun things... how exactly does post-release KDE release SRUing work in terms of packaging branches? | |
| [07:32] <apachelogger> do we branch trunk into something series specific? | |
| [07:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/marble/revision/110/debian/marble.install bug 1312104 consider yourself shouted at | |
| [07:35] <ubottu> bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Utopic) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | |
| [07:38] <apachelogger> something looks awfully crapped with the marble packaging | |
| [08:07] <soee> good morning | |
| [08:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1312104 ... marble package contains marble and marble-mobile, for utopic I split out marble. should we split for trusty as well (preserving dependencies) or should we go the less intrusive route of also applying the split to trusty? the non-split option would be to hide the marble-mobile desktop file to avoid confusion (which would also not be much worse because marble-mobile seems jolly broken with desktop qml components) | |
| [08:31] <ubottu> bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Trusty) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | |
| [08:35] <jussi> hrm, anybody about to confirma a bug for me? | |
| [08:35] <jussi> (Kontact users) | |
| [08:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: we mostly don't use branches for SRUs | |
| [09:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: how does that work with making !SRU changes on the trunk packaging? | |
| [09:05] <apachelogger> like say, splitting pacakges | |
| [09:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: the bzr branches are for development releases | |
| [09:06] <Riddell> so if it's for utopic put it in bzr | |
| [09:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: new testers needed for bug 1289600 | |
| [09:10] <ubottu> bug 1289600 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Saucy) "Fix for crashes due to ubuntu-specific accessibility patch" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289600 | |
| [09:26] <jussi> anyway, the bug is this: if you use the search in kontact(email) then use the lock to make search persist even when changing folders, it does not re-search when you move folders. anyone else get that? | |
| [09:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: so 4.13.1 SRUs are created on the packages from trusty rather than from any bzr? | |
| [09:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh backporting the whole SC into -updates I don't know about, backporting into PPA we don't have branches and SRUs for bugfixes we don't tend to have branches | |
| [09:56] <apachelogger> yofel: ^? | |
| [10:02] <yofel> apachelogger: hm, since last release we do have branches, although I'm not sure whether it's worth the trouble | |
| [10:02] <yofel> if you're not against it I would revert the changes in the tools for that | |
| [10:03] <yofel> then we would only have devel in bzr, and everything else would be just packages | |
| [10:06] <yofel> [00:38:55] -*- lisandro gives everyone Qt 4.8.6 | |
| [10:06] <yofel> :D | |
| [10:06] <apachelogger> yofel: fine by me, I was just wondering whether we roll the SRUs from bazaar cause that obviously would be bad ^^ | |
| [10:07] <yofel> we do for 13.10, but we have '<pkg>-saucy' branches there | |
| [10:07] <yofel> or -13.10, I don't quite remember | |
| [10:10] <yofel> FWIW, we have 'kubuntu-create-sru-branches' in the tools which initialize those. But I didn't manage to run that on release day so it would require some branch fixing later on to be usable :/ | |
| [10:11] <yofel> I would rather remove that, then people don't have to worry about what's where | |
| [10:12] <Riddell> doctorpepper: still lots to fix up http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.13.0_precise.html | |
| [10:30] <apachelogger> did I mention that the policy says backports for 2 years? | |
| [10:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes but 4.13 release was 6 hours inside that schedule and doctorpepper did ask nicely | |
| [10:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: it however means that .1 .2 .3 will not get backported, rendering the backport moot | |
| [10:37] <apachelogger> also I am reasonable certain workspace is oudated as well, so is akonadi .... | |
| [10:38] <apachelogger> it's an exiting waste of time | |
| [10:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thx | |
| [11:04] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-nm 0.9.0.11 | |
| [11:04] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312664 | |
| [12:03] <sgclark> Riddell: after much failure getting request sync to work, I tried it on another computer with success. libical first attempt is ready. | |
| [12:04] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh? where? | |
| [12:04] * Riddell discovers bug 1312689 | |
| [12:04] <ubottu> bug 1312689 in libical (Ubuntu) "Sync libical 1.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main) No difference between the two at this time." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312689 | |
| [12:06] <sgclark> yeah there | |
| [12:06] <Riddell> sgclark: synced! | |
| [12:21] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks | |
| [12:22] <sgclark> morning | |
| [12:23] <sgclark> Riddell: ScottK: we are at 1.41-1 liblog4perl-perl and unstable is at 1.43-1, how do I proceed? | |
| [12:24] <sgclark> liblog-log4perl-perl rather | |
| [12:26] <Riddell> sgclark: ubuntu is at 1.41-1.1ubuntu1 | |
| [12:26] <Riddell> sgclark: so work out what the ubuntu change is for and then if we want to keep that | |
| [12:26] <Riddell> if we do, merge it into the debian 1.43-1 version | |
| [12:27] <sgclark> ok | |
| [12:27] <sgclark> md5sums do not match obviously | |
| [12:28] <Riddell> nope, so start with the .orig from debian | |
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| [12:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok on this one, we drop some dependencies that are not being used at build time yet listed. | |
| [12:57] <sgclark> Riddell: so I suspect keep | |
| [12:58] <Riddell> sgclark: I think these are dropped because they're not in ubuntu main (they'll be in universe) and packages in main can only build-dep on packages also in main | |
| [12:58] <Riddell> so yes I suspect keep too | |
| [12:59] <yofel> sgclark: see the last merge changelog entry, that explains why they're gone and what's changed | |
| [13:06] <Riddell> assuming someone has written a decent changelog entry :) | |
| [13:07] <yofel> Scott wrote the last one ;) | |
| [13:10] <Riddell> then I assume he has! | |
| [13:23] <sgclark> Riddell: umm sorry irc kicked me. looks like they merged a spelling error patch into one with some cherry picks of other patches. | |
| [13:26] <Riddell> sgclark: who what? | |
| [13:26] <Riddell> still on liblog-log4perl-perl? | |
| [13:26] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah | |
| [13:26] <sgclark> Riddell: debian merged one of the patches into a new one, I am going to build with that | |
| [13:27] <sgclark> see what happens | |
| [13:27] <Riddell> spokes like a ture computer scientist :) | |
| [13:27] * Riddell gets kwin from kf5 working and cheers | |
| [13:30] * mgraesslin had been at that stage months ago but joins in the cheers nevertheless ;-) | |
| [13:48] <sgclark> Riddell: it builds, kept our changes. Do I do a requestsync? or something else when we keep our changes? | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> sgclark: tidy up the package and give me the package | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> sgclark: add your own changelog entry with a ubuntu1 version number | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> sgclark: merge in the old changelog entries in some sensible way | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> debuild -S | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> give them to me or ScottK for review | |
| [14:03] <yofel> Riddell, sgclark: we have 'merge-changelog' from ubuntu-dev-tools for changelog merging.. | |
| [14:04] <sgclark> yofel: noted for next time, thank you | |
| [14:04] * Riddell never trusted that script | |
| [14:05] <yofel> worked fine for me so far | |
| [14:08] <apachelogger> there's dpkg-mergechangelogs | |
| [14:08] <apachelogger> which might be what merge-changelog uses | |
| [14:09] <apachelogger> the dpkg thing is official and works definitely though | |
| [14:09] <ScottK> sgclark: If you use the grab-merge script in ubuntu-dev-tools it'll download the last common point in the code, the latest Debian, the latest Ubuntu, and a draft merged package from merges.ubuntu.com. I'd start there. | |
| [14:09] * apachelogger is using that for git merges | |
| [14:12] <sgclark> wow that sounds spiffy and easier. I will try it on next one I do. Finished this and you can find it here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/4RjZyLGlfY/kubuntu-files | |
| [14:16] <ScottK> sgclark: Looking. Typically merges.ubuntu.com doesn't help us much for KDE stuff, but for most things in the archive, it's a huge help. | |
| [14:18] <sgclark> ScottK: ok ty | |
| [14:22] <ScottK> sgclark: It looks like you managed to lose some debian/changelog entries in the merge. Also, for packages that we modify, you need to remember to make the maintainer an Ubuntu one. The update-maintainer script in ubuntu-dev-tools will do this automatically. These things are easy enough to fix, but as a learning exercise, why don't you grab-merge liblog-log4perl-perl and try it that way. Also, once you're done, I'll ask you why we make the | |
| [14:22] <ScottK> changes we make. | |
| [14:22] <ScottK> Generally good though. | |
| [14:25] <sgclark> ScottK: ok | |
| [14:25] <ScottK> Thanks. | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1312651 | |
| [14:36] <ubottu> bug 1312651 in pkg-kde-tools (Ubuntu Utopic) "trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/extractattr', which is also in package pkg-kde-tools 0.14.2ubuntu5" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312651 | |
| [14:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Already done. | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> huh, thx ;) | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you see my question about the marble thing from earlier? | |
| [14:37] <ScottK> If I did, I don't remember it. | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> [10:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1312104 ... marble package contains marble and marble-mobile, for utopic I split out marble. should we split for trusty as well (preserving dependencies) or should we go the less intrusive route of also applying the split to trusty? the non-split option would be to hide the marble-mobile desktop file to avoid confusion (which would also not be much worse because marble-mobile seems jolly broken with | |
| [14:37] <ubottu> bug 1312104 in marble (Ubuntu Trusty) "Marble Menu Squashed/Unreadable" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312104 | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> desktop qml components) | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> there's a logic issue somewhere | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> "or the less intrusive route of not splitting in trusty" ;) | |
| [14:38] <ScottK> Right, so if marble-mobile is broken, I'd say just ditch the .desktop. Let's do it the easy way. | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> aye | |
| [14:39] <ScottK> We can look at doing the split in trusty if in a point release it gets fixed. | |
| [14:39] <ScottK> I don't mind that split because it wouldn't affect anyone who wasn't trying to get marble-mobile to start with (unlike the baloo thing which would have affected all our users). | |
| [14:40] <apachelogger> *nod* | |
| [14:40] <sgclark> ScottK: is this something I need to worry about http://paste.ubuntu.com/7330229/ | |
| [14:41] <ScottK> sgclark: Generally not. I always thought that warning was excessively harsh. It's mostly there to tell you where you can find unreleased packaging changes if you need to look. | |
| [14:42] <sgclark> ScottK: ok, yes it had me scared haha | |
| [14:42] <ScottK> sgclark: The most interesting part of the REPORT file is where it talks about conflicts. Those have to be manually resolved. | |
| [14:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: We do need to decide what baloo kcm we ship for utopic. I think the regular one is a bit basic. | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's a choice? | |
| [14:52] * yofel didn't realize there's more than one either.. | |
| [14:52] <vHanda> I thought Kubuntu was all about shipping a vanilla kde experience? | |
| [14:53] <vHanda> why don't you guys ship tracker? It's config dialog is even better. | |
| [14:53] <vHanda> *Its | |
| [14:58] <yofel> vHanda: there's the vanilla experience, and then there's usability. And with all the fragmentation in kde going on there won't be any kind of *THE* vanilla kde experience anymore in the future | |
| [14:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: there's a choice? | |
| [14:58] <yofel> as everyone will ship a random set of application versions | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> as long as every application has a "Did you know" dialog I am happy | |
| [14:59] <vHanda> If do you plan to ship the alternate one, then please do it properly. No, one person decision or a decision based on the more vocal users | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> what's the alternate one? | |
| [15:00] <yofel> well, we'll have half a year to talk it out | |
| [15:00] <vHanda> btw, the plan from my end was always to ship the alternte one (90% is my code, btw) as a separate app | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> mind you, I think there should be no kcm, at best an on/off switch xD | |
| [15:00] * yofel would've been happy with that ^^ | |
| [15:01] <apachelogger> see :P | |
| [15:01] <sgclark> ScottK: https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/kubuntu-files new one | |
| [15:08] <sgclark> ScottK: and we made the changes because those depends are used at run-time not build time. | |
| [15:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: how was the talk? | |
| [15:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: not bad, we had some people following along | |
| [15:18] <Quintasan> not much response though | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> probably could have done with some more advance notice and publicity | |
| [15:19] <Quintasan> Yeah | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> thanks for doing it | |
| [15:20] <Quintasan> No problem | |
| [15:48] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kde-workspace 4.11.9 | |
| [15:49] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 | |
| [15:51] <Riddell> do we have any use of SC 4.12.5? | |
| [15:52] <yofel> not really | |
| [15:52] <Riddell> could update saucy if anyone cares to | |
| [15:53] <yofel> would have to be done by hand, we can only script update the latest release we have (4.13) and backport that. Not update an arbitrary release in some PPA | |
| [15:55] <Riddell> mm | |
| [15:55] <Riddell> let's leave it then :) | |
| [16:01] <Darkwing> sometimes I hate the interview process | |
| [16:03] <Riddell> "tell us a time you were challenged and how you overcame this" | |
| [16:04] <Darkwing> yup lol | |
| [16:07] <Riddell> I'm sure Kubuntu could be used for a lot of such questions | |
| [16:11] <sgclark> Riddell: unless you have something that needs to be done with extreme urgency, I need to run some errands. | |
| [16:11] <Riddell> sgclark: errand away :) | |
| [16:12] <sgclark> Riddell: ScottK: https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/kubuntu-files has the new liblog4perl files done. email me if you have questions or concerns and I will get back to you when I return. | |
| [16:12] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks! | |
| [16:25] <Darkwing> LOL Riddell | |
| [16:25] <Darkwing> Well, I'm happy with my answers and he was too. | |
| [16:25] <Darkwing> Plus, the company would be amazing to work for. | |
| [16:29] <Riddell> Darkwing: what's the gossip? | |
| [16:33] <Darkwing> Riddell: It's the Events Manager for the Linux Foundation. :) | |
| [16:34] <Riddell> oh yes that would be lovely | |
| [16:34] <Darkwing> Had a second interview today. | |
| [16:35] <Riddell> Darkwing: more conferences in edinburgh is the way to go :) | |
| [16:35] <Darkwing> I'll def come out and visit lol | |
| [16:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312806] Please update kde-workspace to 4.11.9 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312806 (by Kubuntu IRC Bot) | |
| [17:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312849] kcheckpass fails due to not chmoded 4755 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312849 (by Jim Peterson) | |
| [18:23] <ScottK> sgclark: That url isn't the public one or something. | |
| [18:23] <ScottK> can't see the directory. | |
| [18:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: marble accepted. | |
| [18:37] <sgclark> ScottK: umm, was same folder as earlier | |
| [18:37] <sgclark> ScottK; try this, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/p8hlhv9lztlyyjl/4RjZyLGlfY/kubuntu-files | |
| [18:38] <ScottK> sgclark: That works. | |
| [18:38] <sgclark> super | |
| [18:44] <ScottK> sgclark: Almost there. The maintainer should be something in Ubuntu and the original maintainer should be the Debian person. Also, since this is not a Kubuntu specific package, the maintainer should be Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>. If you just delete the XSBC-Original-Maintainer line in debian/control and then run update-maintainer you'll get the right answer. | |
| [18:45] <ScottK> sgclark: Also, why do we drop those from Recommends to Suggests? | |
| [18:45] <sgclark> ScottK: ok | |
| [18:45] <ScottK> A key think about merges is understanding why we have difference with Debian. A lot of people seem to miss that. | |
| [18:47] <sgclark> ScottK: The reason I can see is that, those depends are needed at runtime not buildtime. as for suggests by definition is that the depends are related and not functionality | |
| [18:47] <ScottK> Build time is described by build-depends. | |
| [18:47] <ScottK> This is all about run time. | |
| [18:47] <sgclark> ScottK: I admit admit the clear difference is still a bit fuzzy for me | |
| [18:48] <ScottK> sgclark: Look at the results of rmadison liblog-dispatch-perl | |
| [18:49] <ScottK> Then do the same for liblog-log4perl-perl | |
| [18:51] <sgclark> ScottK: dispatch one is Universe is the difference I see | |
| [18:52] <ScottK> Yes. | |
| [18:52] <ScottK> Sinc liblog-log4perl-perl is in Main, it can't depend on or recommend anything from Universe. | |
| [18:53] <sgclark> ScottK: aha! I understand now, thank you | |
| [18:53] <ScottK> In this case, whoever initially diverged the package determined it'd make more sense to drop to suggests than to get them promoted to main too. | |
| [18:53] <ScottK> sgclark: So get me one with the maintainer fixed and I'll sponsor it for you. | |
| [18:54] <sgclark> ScottK: new files in the dropbox :) | |
| [18:55] <ScottK> OK. Looking | |
| [18:59] <ScottK> Warning: Unknown distribution "uptopic". Do you want to continue [y|N]? | |
| [18:59] <ScottK> Oops. | |
| [18:59] <sgclark> oops | |
| [18:59] <ScottK> My fault. | |
| [19:09] <ScottK> sgclark: Uploaded. Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu. | |
| [19:10] <sgclark> ScottK: thank you for your help! | |
| [19:11] <ScottK> There's a lot of stuff to learn and you can get exposed to more of it by working on stuff outside Kubuntu every now and then. | |
| [19:54] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1312895] Cannot login into KDE after upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312895 (by HugoHirsch) | |
| [21:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1312924] package libqt4-dev-bin 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3.3 failed to install/upgrade: impossible de co... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1312924 (by fankrid) | |
| [22:13] <ScottK> Riddell: digikam needs a merge and it's more than I can get my head around at the moment. You merged it last time, would you please take a crack at it again. | |