2014/02/01/#lubuntu.txt

[00:21] <jirido> Will 14.04 be LTS and how much hassle is it to upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10
[00:21] <jirido> Is it like one command and login and out?
[00:23] <pleia2> 14.04 will be LTS (for 3 years), upgrading from 12.04 to 13.10 requires you to go: 12.04 > 12.10 > 13.04 > 13.10, not simple
[00:23] <pleia2> but 12.04 lubuntu was not LTS, so doing 12.04 to 14.04 isn't officially supported either
[00:24] <jirido> so it is a crachabe adventure
[00:24] <jirido> crashable*
[00:26] <jirido> Can one do it with over the net? and like not sort out the problems untill one run 13.10
[00:26] <jirido> Actuly the x problems
[00:27] <jirido> actually*
[00:29] <jirido> And will the user enviroment one had with ones settings and installed programs still be there
[00:29] <jirido> ?
=== Guest27930 is now known as mattlb
[02:18] <mattlb> Ihe
[02:18] <mattlb> Hi
[02:19] <mattlb> I have a problem with a webcam.
[02:56] <holstein> !webcam | mattlb
[02:56] <ubottu> mattlb: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:01] <mattlb> The cam starts in cheese but freezes when I hit record
[03:55] <mattlb> what do you mean by !webcam?
[03:55] <holstein> mattlb: that made the bot share that link to help on webcams
[03:56] <holstein> mattlb: what are you trying to do?
[03:57] <mattlb> im trying to get help with a webcam problem
[03:58] <holstein> mattlb: sure.. and that problem is, as i read, the cheese application freezes when trying to record? correct? so, my follow up question is, specifially, what are you trying to do? make a movie? a skype call? im going to offer suggestions based on what you are tyring to do..
[03:59] <mattlb> Sorry. Im just trying to record short videos
[04:00] <holstein> mattlb: ok.. so, have you tried soemthing other than chees? otherwise, you are assuming this is a webcam problem.. could be an issue with cheese..
[04:01] <mattlb> ive tried kamoso. It records the video but it is slow and jerky.
[04:01] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried relaxing the settings?
[04:02] <mattlb> there is no resolution setting
[04:02] <holstein> mattlb: you wont be able to dial up some software settings to make sub-par, consumerish hardware behave like professional HD equipment
[04:02] <mattlb> mike
[04:02] <mattlb> nm sorry
[04:03] <holstein> mattlb: there should be frames settings, and resolution, otherwise, i would try a different tool.. such as vlc
[04:03] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried VLC?
[04:03] <mattlb> how do i record video in vlc
[04:03] <holstein> vlc is well supported, and will likely be the best case scenario for your hardware
[04:04] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z5c28rd5Wk
[04:04] <holstein> http://www.gofree.com/Tutorials/VLCVideoWebcam.php
[04:04] <holstein> nice think about vlc is, its very similar on all platforms, as far as the UI
[04:06] <mattlb> thanks
[04:06] <holstein> but, there are many applications, so dont get stuck on trying to use VLC.. try it for a few minutes, and if you cnt get it working, move on
[04:07] <holstein> you can share your specs here, and i can tell you if i feel you are having unrealistic expectations for the hardware
[04:08] <mattlb> its a insperon mini 10 the cam worked fine in windows. moved to linux to free up resources.
[04:09] <holstein> mattlb: yeah, thats not going to do gitter-free recording
[04:09] <holstein> mattlb: you will need to be very open-minded, and resource consious
[04:09] <holstein> for tasks such as webcam streaming, you might get "better" support in windows, since the drivers could be supporting the hardware better from the manufacturer in linux
[04:10] <holstein> i mean, in windows
[04:10] <holstein> the webcam may not work better in linux
[04:12] <mattlb> im not talking about jitter i mean it is really unusable
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: sure.. the webcam may be un-useable in linux
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: what you will have to do is, basically, provide your own support, as you have agreed to
[04:13] <mattlb> lol ok thanks
[04:13] <holstein> mattlb: i found an image from dell for ubuntu for a mini9 i refurbed
[04:14] <holstein> and ubuntu operatin system image.. i think it was 12.04 based
[04:14] <holstein> it would have the main ubuntu repos, so you could add lxde
[04:14] <holstein> mattlb: have you tried VLC?
[04:16] <mattlb> it was about the same as kamoso
[04:16] <mattlb> only i cant find the video files
[04:16] <holstein> mattlb: and, you set the settings lower? adjusted the frame rate?
[04:24] <mattlb> its recording ok but it doesnt show on screen while it is recording
[04:25] <holstein> mattlb: sure... you can likely stream it as well as recording it, but that will use more resources
[04:27] <mattlb> to save it I use convert instead of play right?
[04:27] <holstein> mattlb: i havent done it myself in years... but that sounds right.. stream to a file is how i used to do it
[04:28] <holstein> im out for the evening. you can ask in #ubuntu if its slow in here.. cheers!
[04:29] <mattlb> thanks
=== Firartix is now known as Fira
[09:55] <onto> Hi! I am having some issues with sound under ubuntu. I get the following error messages: http://pastebin.ca/2611918 and no sound
[09:56] <onto> AFAIK, the issue came up after an apt-get autoremove and a reboot.
[11:31] <xikofreak> hi everyone im new on linux and i want to know why are so slower than windows 7 to start applications, there some way to fix it?
[11:33] <xikofreak> my system is: AMD athlon 2.6 X2 +5000, 4 GB RAM DDR2, 1 GB video card
[11:33] <koell> xikofreak: slower? my applications actually starting faster than on win 7
[11:33] <xikofreak> yes, are slower
[11:34] <xikofreak> i dont why :/ for example, when i open some app in win 7 take 2-3 sec to open in lubuntu take 5-10 sec
[11:38] <koell> weird situation, i got the same the other way
[11:39] <xikofreak> im using lubuntu because its so lightweight
[11:39] <xikofreak> reading in internet ive seen a lot ppl concern this situation
[11:40] <xikofreak> it seems doesnt have solution, probably its a hardware problem?
[12:13] <maxiaojun> lxrandr created autostart file seems ignored
[12:14] <maxiaojun> lubuntu 13.10 fresh install
[12:16] <maxiaojun> any one?
[12:29] <jirido> HI .. I wonder if someone here knows how to use cursor without mouse.. in gnome and kde there is some ways to enable numpad to navigate the cursor.. is there something i can use in lxde?
=== schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm
[12:59] <koell> jirido: on a thinkpad u can use the red joystick :)
[13:00] <koell> maxiaojun: where is ur autorun file located?
[13:00] <maxiaojun> .config/autostart
[13:00] <maxiaojun> ~/.config/autostart
[13:02] <maxiaojun> I find that Preferences => Default applications for LXSession => Autostart => Disable auto started applications? defaults to be "config-only"
[13:02] <jirido> koell: No i think more like using numpad.. I got electromagnetic schock in my nervsystem from radiating mouse
[13:02] <maxiaojun> which disables the autostart file created by lxrandr
[13:02] <jirido> :(
[13:03] <jirido> I just found a guide i trying! could be sweet for lubuntu
[13:04] <jirido> http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?t=31747&f=4
[13:05] <maxiaojun> change "Disable autostarted applications?" repeatedly can crash X...
[13:07] <koell> maxiaojun: try to use the autostart file located at /home/USERNAME/.config/lxession/SESSION/autostart
[13:07] <jirido> when i have edit openbox rc.xml and added new keybindings.. how can i check if they conflict..is there some keybinduing gui that collects them all? right now some of the ones that should be used for this mouse thing mowes windows around :%
[13:08] <koell> jirido: u can also try to take a look at tiling window managers like i3wm
[13:08] <maxiaojun> the problem is that lxrandr saves to ~/.config/autostart
[13:09] <koell> maxiaojun: this file nevere worked for me for autostart. :(
[13:09] <jirido> and if i gona use this xwit and xdotool will they be launched by the keybindings or do i have to start them manually?
[13:10] <koell> jirido: im sorry i cant help. maybe there are  few people later on here. im a bobo as well :)
[13:10] <maxiaojun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxrandr/+bug/621689
[13:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 621689 in lxrandr (Ubuntu) "lubuntu - lxrandr does not save and restore changes" [Wishlist,Fix released]
[13:10] <jirido> Kiss you sweetheart! Its ok
[13:11] <koell> jirido: is it dangerous for u to use a mouse? i've never heard before of that
[13:11] <maxiaojun> the fix was save a .desktop invoking xrandr into ~/.config/autostart
[13:13] <jirido> No i know but the diods in mouses radiates from there frequenses and make like bad acupunkture and screws up the meridian flow and then the arm gets weak
[13:13] <holstein> maybe.. or, it could be just normal overuse
[13:14] <jirido> Usualy one dont notise and think its "Normal" but if one start to masage and work with them one can notise
[13:14] <koell> jirido: u should really try i3 window manager. it's a good and fast solution i think
[13:14] <jirido> ok
[13:16] <jirido> I use irsi and pentadactyl in FF but still going for that mouse at to many times.. i got old ball mouse now but its also bad.. our nervsystem is about 1.5 -3 v  7-15 hz /swings a sec a usb is 5 v and how many swings hz..
[13:18] <jirido> It limmits sensetivity and also ability to hear fine things from inside like is needed for lucid dreaming and such
[13:19] <holstein> i think if one pushed a mouse shaped chunk of wood around as much as the mouse, one would find a similar level of fatigue..
[13:19] <pseudo0815> Hello! I have a question. Could someone tell me briefly why i getting gtk-warnings if start a gui application in terminal without "gksu -u <user>" or a keyword for google?!
[13:19] <jirido> have to take down as much of nois as posible.. Fans leaking condensators screeaming screen lighters
[13:20] <holstein> pseudo0815: what warnings?
[13:20] <pseudo0815> e.g. Gtk-Warning: gtk-widget_size_allocate()...
[13:20] <holstein> pseudo0815: if things are working as expected, i wouldnt worry about the messages
[13:21] <jirido> Electronics ar noisy on that level that leaves mind blank and glossy.. like when one has been in woods for a couple weeks.. or at the sea.. magic start to nib at ones feets
[13:22] <jirido> I3
[13:48] <speckmade> gosh - I wasn't there for beta testing... :-(
[13:49] <speckmade> Did you notice that in ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml the <keybind key="C-A-l"> should link to "gnome-screensaver-command -l" instead of "xscreensaver-command -lock"?
[13:51] <speckmade> btw: Firefox seems distinctly more sluggish on my maschine and is much worse on the small screen of my netbook
[17:14] <arizona> Hi, I'm trying to install last lubuntu on a laptop (acer aspire 1350 with ram updated to 2GO)
[17:15] <arizona> I installed lubuntu 10 on the same laptop a few years ago with a few problems but it was OK
[17:15] <arizona> Today, the live CD leads to a black page watever option I choose (acpi=off etc.)
[17:16] <arizona> Install seems to work, but when I start the system it freeze on the lubuntu logo...
[17:18] <arizona> From what I've read on forums, it could be video pilot problem, but as I have no error, I can't say
[17:18] <arizona> I may need help... :)
[17:23] <holstein> arizona: could be you dont support pae
[17:24] <holstein> arizona: have you tried 12.04?
[17:25] <arizona> The last version I tried was 10 something and it worked with a few tricks
[17:26] <arizona> then I upgraded to 11 something and was OK too
[17:26] <holstein> arizona: sure.. so, why not try 12.04? or search and see if your hardware supports pae
[17:26] <holstein> !nomodeset | also can be helpful, though, i was assuming you were implying you had tried that
[17:26] <ubottu> also can be helpful, though, i was assuming you were implying you had tried that: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[17:28] <arizona> Thanks. I tried every F6 combination, but live CD always leads to black page
[17:30] <arizona> I may try 12.04 but I'm surprised I have no warning or error, just black page or logo freeze
[17:30] <holstein> arizona: ok.. so, assuming that means you have tried specifically the nomodeset option, it could be that your machine doesnt support PAE
[17:30] <holstein> !pae
[17:30] <ubottu> To use more than ~3.2GB RAM on a 32bit system you can install the PAE-enabled kernel. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnablingPAE for more info
[17:30] <holstein> and that wont get you there...
[17:31] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE arizona ..which is also assuming that is the issue
[17:31] <holstein> this is the order i would go in.. A. is the hardware good? tested by using a known good live CD (ubuntu 10.04, as you stated worked) or a supported operating system (im assuming windows)
[17:32] <holstein> B. if the hardware is OK, then trying with the vesa driver (as nomodeset should, as i read) will take the driver support out of the euqation.. then, i would move on to C. is the machine PAE capable.. or, is it another hardware issue? bad ram bad hard drive.. etc
[17:33] <arizona> Hardware seems OK, It was running Windows WP then lubuntu. I've tried nomodeset with no result
[17:33] <holstein> arizona: "seems" means you are assuming.. if you are comfortable with that, move on,  and realize you can be wasting time trying to address a hardware issue in software
[17:34] <arizona> I'm sorry, I'm french so I don't know all the meanings in english
[17:36] <arizona> But as a funny fact i'm connected right now with the live cd of lubuntu (first screen of install, there is a link to documentation with tabs)
[17:37] <holstein> !fr
[17:37] <ubottu> Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.
[17:37] <holstein> arizona: you said, the live CD for 13.10 was not loading.. is that true?
[17:37] <arizona> How coul'd I try vesa driver while installing ?
[17:37] <holstein> arizona: you are *not* able to get to a live desktop in 13.30?
[17:39] <arizona> OK: When I get to the screen of the live CD, I press F6, then check no acpiand nomodeset (and two other options I've red on documentation), then lauch withaut install
[17:39] <arizona> It leads to a black screen and nothing happens
[17:40] <holstein> !vesa
[17:40] <ubottu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
[17:40] <holstein> what would i do? i would try the minimal iso, and see if i can get ubuntu to install
[17:40] <holstein> !minimal
[17:40] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want.  The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[17:41] <holstein> then, i would be able to install what i want "lubuntu-desktop" for example, and add a custom xorg.conf for the vesa driver, if needed
[17:41] <holstein> or, i would then know if its a lack of PAE support
[17:42] <arizona> I've read about minimal ISO (so I can install whatever ubuntu version from ethernet)
[17:42] <arizona> I've read PAE problem is mostly with pentium, but aspire 1350 is AMD athlon XP-M 2600+
[17:45] <holstein> arizona: there is no "mostly".. either your machine supports PAE or not
[17:45] <holstein> arizona: this is a plausible issue that you can confirm on your own.. if you can install from the mini iso for 13.10, then, that is not the issue
[17:47] <arizona> OK, many thanks for your time! I'll try minimal and/or 12.04
[17:47] <arizona> Bye!
[17:47] <holstein> arizona: the minimal is a small download.. you should be able to download and try it in a few minutes.. otherwise, you are making many assumptions that need to be addressed
[17:47] <holstein> from there, you can determine a graphics issue, or not
[17:48] <holstein> utilizing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209 for example
[17:50] <arizona> OK. tanks
[18:27] <speckmade> and audio worked out of the box with my last edition of Lubuntu...
[18:28] <ianorlin> broken in saucy?
[18:28] <speckmade> many new things to complain about the new Lubuntu for me...
[18:28] <speckmade> yes
[18:30] <speckmade> and after standby network manager is not in controll of the WLAN device anymore
[18:30] <speckmade> and I got a needless spare calculater application
[18:31] <ianorlin> you have two galculators?
[18:31] <ianorlin> or something other than galculator?
[18:31] <ianorlin> you can remove a package if you don't want it
[18:32] <speckmade> yes - got gnome-calc-tool or something
[18:32] <speckmade> and the screen locking comination doesn't work
[18:33] <ianorlin> screen locking is known bug
[18:33] <speckmade> (pointing to "xscreensaver-command -lock" instead of "gnome-screensaver-command -l")
[18:33] <ianorlin> there isn't gnome screensaver in saucy
[18:34] <speckmade> and default Firefox is a no-no for my display size and Ff generally seems distinctly more sluggish...
[18:34] <speckmade> gnome-screensaver-command -l
[18:35] <speckmade> works for me
[18:35] <ianorlin> you can still install chromium from repos
[18:35] <ianorlin> and then purge firefox if you don't want it
[18:35] <speckmade> edited ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to point to that and fixed it that way.
[18:36] <ianorlin> do you know what kind of sound and wireless card you have?
[18:36] <speckmade> atheros
[18:37] <speckmade> "Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)"
[18:37] <speckmade> eee pc 900A
[18:38] <speckmade> interested in more details?
[18:38] <speckmade> when I close the lid, the new default is standby
[18:39] <speckmade> when waking up, nm lost control
[18:39] <speckmade> when doing it again, it regains controll
[18:39] <speckmade> (normally)
[18:41] <ianorlin> speckmade run updates in saucy as I thnk there was a bug fixed with that and then change the defualt to what you want in xfce power manager 4
[18:42] <speckmade> all updates installed up to today - gonna try.
[18:43] <speckmade> now it doesn't go to standby anymore when closing the lid? Seems more like a workaround than a fix...
[18:45] <ianorlin> yeah you can make it standby in xfce power manager but not sure about the atheros thing it would standby if you did not tell it to before
[18:50] <speckmade> so I just did some testing on the standby thing
[18:50] <speckmade> the good thing is that it doesn't go to standby when closing the lid and thereby avoids issues
[18:50] <speckmade> the bad thing...
[18:51] <speckmade> standby now doesn't give ME back my screen...
[18:51] <speckmade> so it's actually worse.
[18:51] <speckmade> I have to reboot in order to regain controll
[18:53] <speckmade> what bothers me more at the moment is the sound issue...
[18:54] <ianorlin> your sound card is?
[18:55] <speckmade> Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
[18:56] <speckmade> applications don't get the mic signal
[18:57] <speckmade> If I go to the mixer and manually open mic channel it makes no difference
[18:57] <speckmade> (I never got my head around Linux sound stuff enough to fix such problems)
[18:58] <speckmade> (usual fix: install another OS after trying some hours... :-( )
[19:01] <ianorlin> was your sound muted when installing?
[19:01] <ianorlin> or upgrading?
[19:02] <speckmade> the mic(s): yes
[19:03] <speckmade> otherwise I don't think so
[19:03] <speckmade> but it seemed muted in the mixer with the last lubuntu edition, too
[19:03] <speckmade> although it worked
[19:04] <speckmade> now I can raise the mic levels 'til my head aches from my own voice but my phone doesn't record my voice...
[19:04] <ianorlin> have you tried recording with arecord?
[19:09] <speckmade> no
[19:11] <speckmade> just tried
[19:11] <ianorlin> then aplay will see if it recorded anything
[19:11] <speckmade> test files seem to have caught nothing but silence
[19:12] <speckmade> no matter what the mic level was in the mixer
[19:13] <speckmade> so no different from i.e. linphone's behaviour
[19:16] <ianorlin> does sound output work if you like play a music file?
[19:18] <speckmade> yes
[19:20] <ianorlin> what do you have digital input set to in alsamixer?
[19:21] <speckmade> I don't see such an option...
[19:24] <ianorlin> is the capture volume at zero in alsamixer?
[19:26] <ianorlin> are you using pulse at all for some reason?
[19:26] <speckmade> capture volume zero, yes
[19:26] <speckmade> dunno for the pulseaudio
[19:28] <ianorlin> turn that up and then try
[19:28] <ianorlin> as that being zero would basically mean capture is muted so it have is putting the mic into a muted input
[19:32] <speckmade> still zero in the test files
[19:32] <speckmade> but executing arecord now changes the levels around
[19:32] <speckmade> it maxes the mic boost
[19:33] <speckmade> internal mic, that is - I've got internal and mic-in
[19:33] <speckmade> I happily used just the internal one so far...
[19:33] <ianorlin> and are you using internal?
[19:33] <ianorlin> ok
[19:37] <speckmade> I don't want to downgrade because of the cipher-block chaining issue with the full-disk encryption... :-/
[19:56] <FuuqUmiist> what is the shortcut to decorate and undecorate windows
[19:58] <FuuqUmiist> does anyone know?
[20:28] <holstein> FuuqUmiist: not aware of a shortcut for that.. you could make one, ir you want
[20:31] <FuuqUmiist> holstein how do i atleast undo the undecorate window
[20:45] <bblinder1> Hi, everyone.
[20:46] <bblinder1> I was wondering if anyone ran into any weird upside down camera issues when installing skype in Lubuntu 13.10.
[20:47] <FuuqUmiist> maybe your camera is upside down :P
[20:47] <bblinder1> well, it is an asus laptop, so it quite literally is.
[20:47] <bblinder1> they mounted the camera upside for some reason in some models.
[20:47] <Unit193> FuuqUmiist: Are you looking for .config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml: <decor>yes</decor>  ?
[20:48] <bblinder1> most programs flip right side up (hangouts, webcam)
[20:48] <FuuqUmiist> idk
[20:48] <bblinder1> but for some reason not skype
[20:48] <holstein> http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/skype-Ubuntu-webcam-quot-upside-down-quot-problem/td-p/1277156 looks like how i remember dealing with it
[20:48] <holstein> bblinder1: ^
[20:49] <bblinder1> ah!
[20:49] <FuuqUmiist> Unit193 i right clicked on the title bar and selected undecorate, now i can't get it back
[20:55] <Unit193> FuuqUmiist: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Decorate
[20:58] <FuuqUmiist> "C-S-d"  = ctrl+shift+d ?
[20:59] <Unit193> Yes.
[21:01] <FuuqUmiist> doesn't work
[21:01] <Unit193> Did you add it to the rc file then openbox --reconfigure?
[21:05] <FuuqUmiist> doesn't work still
[21:06] <FuuqUmiist> i'm guessing i have to relogin for the changes to come into effect tho
[21:09] <FuuqUmiist> Unit193 is openbox --reconfigure a terminal command to reset the shortcuts?
[21:09] <Unit193> --reconfigure       Reload Openbox's configuration
[21:09] <Unit193> See also: --restart           Restart Openbox
[21:10] <FuuqUmiist> will it log me off from my current session?
[21:10] <Unit193> reconfig won't, restart shouldn't, --exit will.
[21:12] <FuuqUmiist> the shortcut to undecorate works, not to redecorate still doesn't work
[21:15] <FuuqUmiist> i got it to work by using another shortcut to decorate
[21:15] <FuuqUmiist> thanks