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| [01:55] <Rovanion> Are there Nvidia drivers for 14.04 at this point? | |
| [01:56] <whatisthematrix> Rovanion: i would think so. i think there's nvidia-319 drivers | |
| [01:56] <holstein> Rovanion: you should be able to use whatever nvidia provides | |
| [01:57] <whatisthematrix> there's nvidia-331 drivers | |
| [01:57] <whatisthematrix> !info nvidia-331 | |
| [01:57] <ubottu> nvidia-331 (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-331): NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library. In component restricted, is optional. Version 331.20-0ubuntu7 (trusty), package size 26949 kB, installed size 127722 kB (Only available for i386; amd64) | |
| [01:57] <Rovanion> Thank you for your answer! | |
| [01:57] <whatisthematrix> and there 304's, and 173's | |
| [01:58] <whatisthematrix> Rovanion: sure, you're welcome | |
| [01:59] <Rovanion> Would you deem it to be stable enough for daily use at this point? I've helped out with pre-release debugging before but this is earlier than the last LTS I jumped on. | |
| [01:59] <holstein> Rovanion: no | |
| [01:59] <holstein> Rovanion: its testing | |
| [01:59] <whatisthematrix> on the Ubuntu desktop i would say no. but i've used Kde and Xfce and seem to have pretty good stability. also... | |
| [02:00] <Rovanion> Well I'm on awesome so I would just be testing standalone apps. | |
| [02:00] <Rovanion> And then awesome of course. | |
| [02:00] <holstein> even if it were stable as a rock today, its not guaranteed to be that way til its released, and may not be that way later | |
| [02:01] <whatisthematrix> i just got done working a long time on compiling/configuring, and hacking my system to get Enlightenment 0.18.1(e18) compiled and installed | |
| [02:02] <whatisthematrix> and it crashed(sigsegv) at first when trying to access menu items when i first fired it up. but after that i rebooted and it sure is nice! been using it for a few hours and it's seems stable, so far | |
| [02:03] <holstein> and it may be.. but its not what you use if you want stable.. | |
| [02:03] <whatisthematrix> but it isn't available in trusty... but there's Motif, Cinnamon(i haven't tried it), WindowMaker, IceWM, etc, etc | |
| [02:08] <Rovanion> Perhaps waiting for the debian import freeze is a good idea as most major system changes should have stopped by then. | |
| [02:09] <whatisthematrix> Rovanion: what do you mostly use your sytem for? | |
| [02:09] <whatisthematrix> system* | |
| [02:09] <Rovanion> whatisthematrix: Normal desktop use, surf the web, programming. | |
| [02:10] <Rovanion> On my desktop and laptop that is :P | |
| [02:11] <Rovanion> My server on the other hand won't see an upgrade until summer I'd venture. | |
| [02:11] <whatisthematrix> Rovanion: same here. so, i'd recommend it then. i'm loving it anyway. i just recommend not using the ubuntu desktop in it. at least from what i have tried and can tell. | |
| [02:13] <whatisthematrix> you could install it, and then install other window managers to use | |
| [02:13] <whatisthematrix> up to you though. only you can decide ;-) | |
| [02:13] <Rovanion> Normally install from minimal either way | |
| [02:13] <Rovanion> When I feel fancy I even install a display manager :P | |
| [02:14] <whatisthematrix> i don't mind minimal, but i like eye-candy as well :) | |
| [02:15] <Rovanion> whatisthematrix: Minimal as in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | |
| [02:15] <Rovanion> Everything is fetched from the net during install. | |
| [02:15] <whatisthematrix> roger that | |
| [02:16] <whatisthematrix> cool | |
| [02:16] <Rovanion> Since I don't install any meta-package like ubuntu-desktop I'll end up with only the packages I like. | |
| [02:17] <Rovanion> Not that it matters but my current install is 2.4Gig of which LaTeX is 1.2 or something like that. | |
| [02:18] <Rovanion> !info texlive-full | |
| [02:18] <ubottu> texlive-full (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: metapackage pulling in all components of TeX Live. In component universe, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 14 kB, installed size 91 kB | |
| [02:18] <Rovanion> Well that says nothing. | |
| [02:20] <whatisthematrix> Rovanion: if you decide to download and install it, and install X-Windows and graphical stuff i should tell you of a niggle i ran into when i installed it about two and a half months ago | |
| [02:20] <whatisthematrix> i don't know if you run into the same issue now or not | |
| [02:21] <whatisthematrix> but i had to run this command to fix the problem of widget icons not being displayed, they were like a box with a red 'x' in them or something | |
| [02:21] <whatisthematrix> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common | |
| [02:22] <Rovanion> I'll think of that if the problem comes up, thanks | |
| [02:22] <whatisthematrix> sure, yw | |
| [02:25] <whatisthematrix> what were you wanting to know about texlive? the version? | |
| [02:25] <Rovanion> Installed size, of coures it only showed the installed size of the meta data which means little. | |
| [02:26] <whatisthematrix> yep | |
| [02:26] <whatisthematrix> you'd need a more specific package | |
| [02:27] <whatisthematrix> !info texlive-latex-base | |
| [02:27] <ubottu> texlive-latex-base (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: LaTeX fundamental packages. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 809 kB, installed size 7765 kB | |
| [02:27] <whatisthematrix> !info texlive-base | |
| [02:27] <ubottu> texlive-base (source: texlive-base): TeX Live: Essential programs and files. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 15788 kB, installed size 43096 kB | |
| [02:28] <Rovanion> When I Install texlive-full apt-get cites something like 1.2G installed size, you could try it on yours. | |
| [02:28] <Rovanion> If you don't already have it installed like I do. | |
| [02:29] <whatisthematrix> i have a number of the packages under 'texlive-full' already installed | |
| [02:29] <Rovanion> Oh well. | |
| [02:31] <Rovanion> Right, on my server texlive-full would pull down an extra 2G of installed packages | |
| [02:32] <whatisthematrix> roger | |
| [02:33] <whatisthematrix> i'm looking at it in 'aptitude', and i have a good number of them already installed. a few of them just got installed last night when i was installing some things, and one of the 'doc' packages for it was | |
| [02:33] <whatisthematrix> a 314 MB download | |
| [02:36] <whatisthematrix> might have been this one... texlive-latex-extra-doc | |
| [02:37] <whatisthematrix> !info texlive-latex-extra-doc | |
| [02:37] <ubottu> texlive-latex-extra-doc (source: texlive-extra): TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-extra. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.20131219-1 (trusty), package size 306350 kB, installed size 428548 kB | |
| [02:59] <gno1404> hi, I'm trying 14.04 with gnome - is there a way to add keyboard layout shortcuts? it's not working for me | |
| [03:00] <gno1404> it was hard enough to 'choose' what keys but when I try them, nothing happens | |
| [03:00] <gno1404> I added another language so I just want to toggle to the other and back | |
| [03:01] <whatisthematrix> hopefully someone can help you with that. i don't know anything about modifying keyboard shortcuts. i've never done it anyway. | |
| [03:03] <gno1404> maybe it doesn't work with live media or? | |
| [03:03] <whatisthematrix> there's the following utility/app, but i don't know anything about it | |
| [03:04] <whatisthematrix> !info gkbd-capplet | |
| [03:04] <ubottu> gkbd-capplet (source: libgnomekbd): GNOME Panel applet for libgnomekbd. In component main, is optional. Version 3.6.0-0ubuntu2 (trusty), package size 4 kB, installed size 50 kB | |
| [03:04] <gno1404> whatisthematrix: thanks, good to know | |
| [03:04] <whatisthematrix> gno1404: yeah, maybe not. for instance, i don't know if you can get that app installed while running the livecd | |
| [03:06] <gno1404> whatisthematrix: I can't use Kubuntu 13.10 with my smartphone so I'm trying Ubuntu 14.04 | |
| [03:06] <gno1404> it connects okay and I can load pics from it in image viewer so that's good | |
| [03:06] <gno1404> just checking other things out now | |
| [03:06] <gno1404> I install extra languages so I was curious how the shortcuts worked | |
| [03:07] <whatisthematrix> roger. i've found the ubuntu desktop to be unstable in 14.04, so i use other window managers. i've used 'kde 4.12.0' some in 14.04 | |
| [03:07] <gno1404> yeah? | |
| [03:07] <gno1404> interesting | |
| [03:08] <whatisthematrix> want to hear something more interesting? ;-) | |
| [03:08] <gno1404> I'm trying to figure out if is could be related to a kernel ver. issue but only speculating | |
| [03:08] <gno1404> yeah, sure ;-) | |
| [03:08] <whatisthematrix> okay | |
| [03:09] <whatisthematrix> i worked on this starting last night, and then for many hours today | |
| [03:09] <gno1404> oh no ;-) | |
| [03:09] <gno1404> know how that is... sigh | |
| [03:09] <whatisthematrix> i worked hard on compiling/configuring and hacking my system for a long time to get Enlightenment 0.18.1 compiled and installed on trusty 14.04 | |
| [03:09] <gno1404> oh nice | |
| [03:09] <whatisthematrix> man, it was quite a bear, but i finally got it! | |
| [03:10] <gno1404> you are starting to like the ligher window managers? ;) | |
| [03:11] <whatisthematrix> using it now of course. seems fairly stable, other than when i first fired it up. had a crash/sigsev. but since i rebooted it's seems very good/nice | |
| [03:12] <gno1404> not familiar with that one | |
| [03:12] <whatisthematrix> i like a lot of the window managers/desktop environments | |
| [03:12] <whatisthematrix> not all of them. i once tried olvwm and i was like, yuk | |
| [03:12] <whatisthematrix> but i don't mind something like Motif(mwm) or WindowMaker, but probably prefer IceWM over those two | |
| [03:12] <gno1404> I tried fluxbox a long time ago when I messed around with mythtv ;-D | |
| [03:13] <whatisthematrix> i've never tried fluxbox or openbox | |
| [03:14] <whatisthematrix> i just installed Cinnamon with aptitude today for the heck of it, but haven't tried it yet | |
| [03:15] <whatisthematrix> i've seen a number of people talking about it though | |
| [03:16] <gno1404> how do you like it? | |
| [03:16] <whatisthematrix> how do i like 14.04? | |
| [03:16] <gno1404> I also have mint installed with cinammon but since the upgrade, I cannot open my photos with any image viewer | |
| [03:17] <gno1404> I have to use gimp | |
| [03:17] <gno1404> I meant, how do you like the cinnamon DE? | |
| [03:17] <whatisthematrix> if you mean Cinnamon, as i said, i installed it but i haven't ever tried it or used it yet. i've seen other people talking about it though. so i thought i'd install it | |
| [03:18] <gno1404> kubuntu was my main OS but I cannot get my android phone detected at all - so I am trying out 14.04 with Gnome ;) | |
| [03:18] <gno1404> oh, I see | |
| [03:18] <whatisthematrix> but for now, i'm going to use e18 for while since it took so much work! | |
| [03:18] <gno1404> understandable! | |
| [03:18] <whatisthematrix> going to enjoy it for a good while ;-) | |
| [03:18] <whatisthematrix> ya, cheers :) | |
| [03:18] <gno1404> looks interesting but I don't like spending lots of time on configuring stuff :D | |
| [03:19] <whatisthematrix> i like compiling and configuring stuff, somewhat | |
| [03:19] <gno1404> it's okay sometimes if in the mood ;) | |
| [03:19] <whatisthematrix> rgr | |
| [03:20] <whatisthematrix> i think it's one of the great things about gnu/linux, it comes with a compiler, for free | |
| [03:20] <gno1404> that's true | |
| [03:20] <whatisthematrix> and nothing is hidden | |
| [03:20] <whatisthematrix> you can look at anything | |
| [03:21] <gno1404> plus, you should be good at setting up Enlightenment :) | |
| [03:23] <whatisthematrix> well, i'm more knowledgeable/experienced now i can say. but still no expert i don't think. it certainly took me a bit of trial and error | |
| [04:29] <Munchor> Hi there | |
| [04:29] <Munchor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676584/ | |
| [04:29] <Munchor> Getting that on a 14.04 daily build, any ideas? | |
| [04:32] <whatisthematrix> hello | |
| [04:32] <whatisthematrix> i might be able to help with that | |
| [04:33] <Munchor> great | |
| [04:33] <whatisthematrix> let me look at it for a bit | |
| [04:36] <whatisthematrix> interesting. i don't show that i have an '8.6' version available to install. 8.5 is available | |
| [04:38] <whatisthematrix> i'm updating my apt just to see if 8.6 has just come available | |
| [04:38] <whatisthematrix> anyway.... | |
| [04:39] <whatisthematrix> if you would try the following | |
| [04:39] <whatisthematrix> cd /var/cache/apt/archives | |
| [04:40] <Munchor> I have a tk8.4.deb and a tk8.6.deb | |
| [04:40] <Munchor> tk8.4_8.4.20-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb | |
| [04:40] <Munchor> tk8.6_8.6.1-3_amd64.deb | |
| [04:41] <whatisthematrix> okay | |
| [04:41] <whatisthematrix> what happens if you try... sudo apt-get remove tcl8.6 tcl8.6-lib tk8.6 tk8.6-lib | |
| [04:43] <whatisthematrix> ahh! 8.6 is in my list now. 8.6 versions of tcl/tk are brand spanking new. i updated a few hours ago and they weren't available then | |
| [04:45] <whatisthematrix> i think the system should be installing 'libtk8.6' instead of 'tk8.6-lib' | |
| [04:46] <whatisthematrix> that is also a recent change. a change in the name of the packages. mine were replaced with the new package name just a few hours ago, but for 8.5 | |
| [04:47] <Munchor> So just unlucky time to upgrade here? | |
| [04:47] <whatisthematrix> maybe... what happens if you try? --> sudo apt-get -f install | |
| [04:48] <Munchor> the output from paste.ubuntu.com I sent you earlier | |
| [04:48] <Munchor> is from apt-get -f install | |
| [04:48] <Munchor> which I ran after upgrade -f failed with a similar error | |
| [04:48] <whatisthematrix> okay, roger | |
| [04:48] <Munchor> which I ran after a normal update/upgrade with that error too | |
| [04:48] <whatisthematrix> hang on a moment | |
| [04:49] <whatisthematrix> do --> sudo apt-get -d install libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | |
| [04:49] <whatisthematrix> let me know when they are downloaded | |
| [04:49] <whatisthematrix> if they aren't already | |
| [04:49] <Munchor> >Download complete and in download only mode | |
| [04:51] <whatisthematrix> okay. now you may get error message, but try the normal command first --> sudo dpkg -i libtcl8.6*.deb libtk8.6*.deb | |
| [04:51] <Munchor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676643/ | |
| [04:51] <whatisthematrix> i'm thinking you're going to need to force something to get stuff working. but try that first | |
| [04:54] <whatisthematrix> what happens if you try the command it suggested in your first pastebin? --> sudo apt-get autoremove tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | |
| [04:55] <holstein> thats the way i usually deal with those.. just remove til i get "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" to complete without error | |
| [04:56] <Munchor> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676662/ | |
| [04:56] <Munchor> won't let me remove packages? huh | |
| [04:56] <whatisthematrix> holstein: roger that. i'd rather avoid having to use a "--force-overwrite", but i've done it many times before to get something straightened out | |
| [04:56] <holstein> what did apt-get -f install do Munchor ? | |
| [04:57] <whatisthematrix> Munchor: okay, one moment | |
| [04:57] <Munchor> holstein, before I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6676584/ | |
| [04:57] <Munchor> Should I try again? | |
| [04:57] <holstein> Munchor: there is no "should".. this is unreleased software | |
| [04:59] <whatisthematrix> Munchor: do --> sudo dpkg --force-depends -r tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | |
| [04:59] <Munchor> true holstein that's right | |
| [05:00] <whatisthematrix> Munchor: then do --> sudo apt-get install libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | |
| [05:00] <holstein> Munchor: what triggered the install of those packages? try and remove whatever is pulling those in as well | |
| [05:01] <holstein> Munchor: i assume you have tried simply "apt-get autoremove" | |
| [05:02] <Munchor> whatisthematrix, that seems to have worked | |
| [05:02] <Munchor> I just ran an update/upgrade and it worked just fine after that | |
| [05:02] <whatisthematrix> Munchor: cool, cheers m8 | |
| [05:02] <Munchor> Do you mind, though, explaining me what the first command did? I realize it is looking for dependencies of those two packages | |
| [05:03] <Munchor> But what is it doing to them? | |
| [05:04] <whatisthematrix> it seemd to think your system still depended on having tcl8.6-lib & tk8.6-lib. but those have been replaced by new packages named... libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 | |
| [05:06] <Munchor> oh I see | |
| [05:06] <whatisthematrix> if by the first command you mean --> sudo dpkg --force-depends -r tcl8.6-lib tk8.6-lib | |
| [05:07] <Munchor> The rename makes perfect sense btw | |
| [05:07] <whatisthematrix> that tells it to remove them regardless of dpkg thinking something depends upon them. | |
| [05:07] <whatisthematrix> okay, cool | |
| [05:13] <whatisthematrix> i've just looked at my latest updates, and if i go to upgrade, i think i'm going to have something similar to what happened to you Munchor. i haven't run the upgrade yet | |
| [05:13] <whatisthematrix> but something looks amiss in aptitude at fist glance | |
| [05:13] <whatisthematrix> first* | |
| [05:14] <Munchor> Yeah it might happen to a lot more people | |
| [05:14] <whatisthematrix> Yep.. | |
| [05:31] <whatisthematrix> hi there lotuspsychje | |
| [05:32] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: hello mate, how are you? | |
| [05:32] <whatisthematrix> doing okay here. how are you? | |
| [05:32] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: great, i installed trusty on my desktop | |
| [05:33] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: lookin rock solid to me | |
| [05:33] <whatisthematrix> awesome! | |
| [05:33] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: did you have an ssd onboard? | |
| [05:34] <whatisthematrix> no | |
| [05:34] <lotuspsychje> ok | |
| [05:35] <whatisthematrix> did you install 14.04/trusty on ssd? | |
| [05:35] <whatisthematrix> i assume you did | |
| [05:35] <lotuspsychje> yes, got both ssd on desktop/netbook | |
| [05:36] <whatisthematrix> nice. very fast then? | |
| [05:36] <lotuspsychje> its because ive read article about trusty enable TRIM by default cron job now | |
| [05:36] <lotuspsychje> its rocketfast | |
| [05:36] <whatisthematrix> sweet | |
| [05:36] <lotuspsychje> boot under 5sec | |
| [05:36] <whatisthematrix> wow! | |
| [05:36] <whatisthematrix> that is fast | |
| [05:36] <lotuspsychje> sudo halt -p in 3sec | |
| [05:37] <whatisthematrix> rgr | |
| [05:38] <whatisthematrix> mine shuts down pretty darn fast even with the regular hard drive i have. but it doesn't boot in anywhere near 5 seconds | |
| [05:38] <lotuspsychje> you got query on? | |
| [05:39] <whatisthematrix> oh, i didn't notice. one moment | |
| [06:14] <lotuspsychje> someone might know the packagename of that ubuntu browser? | |
| [06:16] <lotuspsychje> !info webbrowser-app | |
| [06:16] <ubottu> webbrowser-app (source: webbrowser-app): Ubuntu web browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.22+14.04.20131107-0ubuntu1 (trusty), package size 585 kB, installed size 1332 kB | |
| [06:16] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: this one mate | |
| [06:17] <lotuspsychje> seems like its meant for touch support also :p | |
| [06:22] <whatisthematrix> oh | |
| [06:22] <whatisthematrix> ic | |
| [06:22] <whatisthematrix> you like it then? | |
| [06:24] <lotuspsychje> very | |
| [06:24] <lotuspsychje> its fast and simple | |
| [06:24] <whatisthematrix> cool. well, i'll have to check it out! | |
| [06:24] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | |
| [06:25] <lotuspsychje> 14.04 alpha | |
| [06:25] <lotuspsychje> during install it shows 13.10, but after setup you can see 14.04 on lsb release | |
| [06:26] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: about the browser: http://iloveubuntu.net/web-browser-app-implemented-default-ubuntu-1404 | |
| [06:26] <whatisthematrix> not sure why you're putting that link up for me. i'm already running 14.04. that is the address i used to d/l it it when i did. i'll check out the browser link though for sure | |
| [06:27] <lotuspsychje> are you on 14.04? | |
| [06:28] <lotuspsychje> oh so you just didnt find the webbrowser yet then? | |
| [06:28] <whatisthematrix> i just wasn't aware of it. i use FF | |
| [06:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah me too | |
| [06:29] <whatisthematrix> i love FF and donate to it, if that tells you anything | |
| [06:29] <lotuspsychje> lolz | |
| [06:29] <lotuspsychje> surely FF is secure to browse | |
| [06:29] <whatisthematrix> if you want to check it out, here's a screenshot of Enlightenment 0.18.1 with terminology 0.4.0 | |
| [06:29] <whatisthematrix> http://tinypic.com/r/153s3fc/5 | |
| [06:30] <lotuspsychje> oh nicely! | |
| [06:30] <lotuspsychje> love ubuntu eyecandy :p | |
| [06:30] <lotuspsychje> you should screenshot to deviantart | |
| [06:30] <whatisthematrix> ya, me too! i don't mind minimal, but i also like eye-candy | |
| [06:31] <lotuspsychje> lemme show mine | |
| [06:32] <whatisthematrix> okay! | |
| [06:33] <lotuspsychje> whatisthematrix: http://oi42.tinypic.com/2jerzva.jpg | |
| [06:34] <whatisthematrix> sweet :) | |
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| [15:52] <paddy> against what package do i file the bug report? | |
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