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| [00:20] <achiang> vanhoof: all went well, going through oem-config now | |
| [00:23] <vanhoof> cool | |
| [00:24] <vanhoof> i got through it no probs a few times | |
| [00:24] <vanhoof> you should be all set | |
| [00:25] <vanhoof> achiang: screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200 ... once you're done | |
| [00:25] * vanhoof is in heaven | |
| [00:26] <achiang> what's that, debug console? | |
| [00:26] <vanhoof> yup | |
| [00:26] <vanhoof> usb/serial | |
| [00:26] <vanhoof> full console even | |
| [00:27] <achiang> whee, i'm on R | |
| [00:27] <achiang> machine name is 'mfer' | |
| [00:27] <achiang> ;) | |
| [00:27] <vanhoof> lol | |
| [00:27] <achiang> what's new and shiny for me to play with? | |
| [00:28] <vanhoof> plymouth, usb-serial, an actual panel, oem-config? :) | |
| [00:28] <achiang> ah, the answer is "nothing" because i hit the button1 stuck issue | |
| [00:28] <achiang> feh | |
| [00:29] <vanhoof> you're landscape? | |
| [00:29] <achiang> yeah | |
| [00:29] * vanhoof must have small fingers | |
| [00:29] <vanhoof> i dont hit that often :) | |
| [00:30] <vanhoof> achiang: if you get bored play w/ sound | |
| [00:31] <vanhoof> i had some troubling noises today playing radio w/ rb | |
| [00:31] <vanhoof> not sure if its my own breakage | |
| [00:33] <vanhoof> achiang: but now you have dailys to flash ;) | |
| [00:33] <achiang> from here on out, it's dist-upgrade every day, baby | |
| [02:14] * sfeole reads scrollback | |
| [02:16] <sfeole> achiang, vanhoof , infinity : Yea guys, I went on a wiki updating rampage today. sort of sloppy but got the job done. Everything should be up there, updating instructions / new features / some bug updates etc... | |
| [02:16] * sfeole goes back into his cave | |
| [02:20] <sfeole> also i fixed the 2nd heading for installed 13.04 on the nexus7, looks like my draft never saved. | |
| [02:21] <sfeole> it now says "Manually Installing... blah blah" | |
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| [10:37] <wookey_> infinity: I see you fixed tcl crossing. What did you do about multiarching the tclconfig.sh path? | |
| [10:38] <infinity> wookey_: I didn't touch tcl, just tk. | |
| [10:38] <wookey_> Or did you just fix tcl bulding itself, not anything building against it? | |
| [10:38] <infinity> wookey_: Though, tk builds against tcl, so maybe someone already fixed the thing you're talking about. | |
| [10:38] <gurgalof> aww, I want to run 13.04 on the nexus, but I need Bluetooth... | |
| [10:39] <wookey_> OK. That would be good if true - I've beenwondering what to do about it for months :-) | |
| [10:39] <wookey_> I see you had a go at apr too - is there a bug for that? It was an abomination when we looked at it a couple of years back | |
| [10:39] <wookey_> somebody tried to add cross-support but did it in a completely broken way | |
| [10:40] <infinity> wookey_: I'm holding off on filing bugs (or committing directly) to apr/apr-util/apache2 until I'm happy with my "solutions" (and I use that term loosely). | |
| [10:40] <infinity> wookey_: apr and apache2 work in Ubuntu now (apr-util needs some twiddling with libraries it links to), but neither is pretty, so I'll likely revisit. | |
| [10:40] <wookey_> I have a really long mail for the apache people that we weren't allowed to send a couple of yrears back, asking what tey thought they were _trying_ to do | |
| [10:41] <wookey_> so we could work out how to fix it properly | |
| [10:41] <infinity> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/124947530/apr_1.4.6-3_1.4.6-3ubuntu1.diff.gz | |
| [10:41] <infinity> ^-- The ugly is just a bunch of autoconf cache preseeding. | |
| [10:41] <infinity> But there's got to be a less hideous way. | |
| [10:42] <infinity> As for apache2 itself, it's all fixed upstream, I just had to backport patches. | |
| [10:42] <wookey_> Ah cool | |
| [10:42] <infinity> (And fix debian/rules to be less retarded) | |
| [10:43] <infinity> So, I'll probably commit the apache2 stuff to Debian (or file a bug and make sf do it), but the apr/apr-utils things need some thought, I think. | |
| [10:43] <infinity> And, really, apache is useless without apr, so... | |
| [12:04] <raster> mooo | |
| [12:11] * Tassadar hides the gnomes | |
| [12:12] <raster> i'm not here to gorge on gnomes today | |
| [12:22] <raster> yargh | |
| [12:22] <raster> what is the magic to get sound out of this little beastie | |
| [12:24] <Tassadar> You mean n7? | |
| [12:28] <raster> yeah | |
| [12:28] <raster> i have gotten it to hiss at me | |
| [12:28] <raster> and thats about it | |
| [12:28] <raster> yes - i know - suspend and resume | |
| [12:28] <raster> doesnt do squat | |
| [12:31] <raster> i've been swizzling everythng randomly in alsamixer for a while to try see what low-level knob makes it work | |
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| [13:22] <marvin24> nvidia just published tegra boot process description: ftp://download.nvidia.com/tegra-public-appnotes/tegra-boot-flow.html | |
| [13:22] <marvin24> (for those who didn't got it yet) | |
| [13:23] <raster> nv is getting better at this | |
| [13:24] <RaYmAn> sadly, it's not much use on most 'real' devices (given they are locked mostly down), but it's a nice move either way | |
| [13:26] <raster> not much nv can do there | |
| [13:26] <raster> thats oems | |
| [13:26] <RaYmAn> indeed | |
| [13:26] * RaYmAn looks at google | |
| [13:26] <raster> i have a working nexus7 | |
| [13:26] <raster> minus sound | |
| [13:26] <raster> i cant divine how to make it peep | |
| [13:28] <RaYmAn> raster: it's just a pity e.g. google makes the n7 unlockable and then locks down the bootloader still. :/ | |
| [13:28] <raster> well to some extent thats to avoid bricking | |
| [13:29] <raster> oems are paranoid about having hoards of users send in bricked devices under warranty | |
| [13:29] <RaYmAn> tegra is unbrickable if you have access to APX mode (e.g. tegrarcm) | |
| [13:29] <marvin24> well, there is still the rom bootloader, which cannot be bricked by nature | |
| [13:30] <marvin24> on the other hand, who cares if the locked bl can load an unlocked one? | |
| [13:30] <raster> if a user cant boot it to a state of a ui withotu some cruptic pc tools | |
| [13:30] <raster> then its a brick | |
| [13:30] <raster> form an oem pov | |
| [13:30] <raster> fastboot is not an answer in their eyes | |
| [13:30] <marvin24> write a simple tools then | |
| [13:30] <raster> it has to be unbrickable without tools | |
| [13:30] <raster> ie withotu needint to plug it into a pc and "use tools" | |
| [13:31] <raster> same with plugging in special mucro-sd cards with rescue images etc. | |
| [13:31] <RaYmAn> but how is that different from now? users could easily perceive it as bricked even if they have fastboot. | |
| [13:31] <RaYmAn> and that is possible now | |
| [13:32] <raster> dont they stil lock the bootloader down | |
| [13:32] <raster> but the rest u can play with as u like | |
| [13:32] <lilstevie> flash a non working kernel to both boot and recovery | |
| [13:32] <raster> so long as u use the bootloader to boot it | |
| [13:32] <raster> ala the ubuntu nexus77 images | |
| [13:32] <RaYmAn> lilstevie: isn't that fixed on n7? | |
| [13:32] <lilstevie> and it will be in the state you just called a brick | |
| [13:32] <lilstevie> RaYmAn, yeah, n7 also uses scratch rather than msc for bootloader messages | |
| [13:33] <RaYmAn> hm | |
| [13:33] <lilstevie> RaYmAn, but I am referring to "<raster> fastboot is not an answer in their eyes" | |
| [13:33] <RaYmAn> did you test if that works on tf201? | |
| [13:33] <lilstevie> RaYmAn, I did not | |
| [13:33] <lilstevie> RaYmAn, it is in the shutdown kernel code | |
| [13:33] <raster> lilstevie: i work for an oem | |
| [13:34] <raster> if ti requires anything more than absolute basic knowledge to fix | |
| [13:34] <lilstevie> raster, still doesn't change the fact, even unlocking a device will cause the definition you just called "brick" | |
| [13:34] <raster> (press a reset button for example) it's undesired and everything is done to avoid it | |
| [13:34] <raster> problem is a reset button is also aloiability in normal use | |
| [13:35] <raster> lilstevie: yes - its a risk google has pushed asus to do | |
| [13:35] <lilstevie> raster, that asus also offer on their entire tegra 3 range | |
| [13:35] <raster> prbably so google can use the n7 itself for hacking as well as allow others to do custom android roms and otherwise spread android around in general | |
| [13:36] <RaYmAn> raster: tbh, if oems wanted to get around that, it *should* be possible to hook up boot strap pins in such a way that it can boot a special (signed) image incl. bootloader from sdcard. Then a win app that writes the sdcard | |
| [13:37] <RaYmAn> also, they could just charge to fix bricks that could be fixed with e.g. nvflash if it was available | |
| [13:38] <raster> RaYmAn: you expect them to figure out all for a tiny percentage of their customerbase | |
| [13:38] <raster> when they can just continue with the old solution they have used for many years | |
| [13:41] <RaYmAn> nah, I've lost faith in them bothering to do such stuff long ago | |
| [13:41] <raster> so have most | |
| [13:41] <raster> :) | |
| [13:41] <RaYmAn> though, it would probably cut down on software repair costs =P | |
| [13:42] <RaYmAn> anyways, your argument was that e.g. nvflash was too complex for normal users (I disagree) - there's plenty of ways they could make it simpler | |
| [13:43] <raster> u are free to sit in meetings with some taiwanese, korea, etc. ppl and make your argument | |
| [13:43] <raster> :) | |
| [13:44] <RaYmAn> I don't expect an invitation any time soon | |
| [13:44] <RaYmAn> ;) | |
| [13:44] <raster> i've been there, done that... many times over the years :) | |
| [13:45] <raster> and i get the bonus of the "listen to me" badge onmy chest | |
| [13:45] <raster> even then its insanely hard | |
| [13:45] <lilstevie> although they may have to soon if the sony tool thing catches on | |
| [13:45] <raster> the things that make themj move.. is if someone else moves | |
| [13:46] <raster> and if it means market share gain, profits or somethnig | |
| [13:46] <raster> that gets attention | |
| [13:46] <RaYmAn> yeah, that's a pretty decent way of doing it - nice and semi-userfriendly tool that installs drivers and reflashes devices. It would be fairly easy for e.g. asus or google to do something similar with a custom nvflash for n7 | |
| [13:51] <RaYmAn> raster: incidentally, it's amusing they spend so many resources on locking down things. You'd think it would be less resources to just make it open :) | |
| [13:51] <gurgalof_mobil> i flashed raring using the tool in ubuntu, but i only get a 8GB partition on my 32GB nexus7 | |
| [13:53] <raster> RaYmAn: the locking down has already been done and it was a product requirement from the product specs team to begin with | |
| [13:53] <raster> or something like that | |
| [13:55] <gurgalof_mobil> and i have a black bar under the notification bar in raring | |
| [13:57] <RaYmAn> raster: it's a choice e.g. google makes. Of course it has already been done, but it's still a choice they made | |
| [13:57] <RaYmAn> and then you have stuff like the arm chromebook which is completely open/unlockable. | |
| [13:58] <raster> a choice made by a product specs dept that doesnt knowq nor care about hackers/development | |
| [13:58] <raster> as they are not | |
| [13:58] <raster> they expect the o9nly development happens inside this engineering dept they have | |
| [13:58] <raster> and nowhere else | |
| [13:58] <RaYmAn> I somehow doubt google is that naive | |
| [13:58] <raster> people wanting to hack on their PRODUCTs is a bizarre foreign concept to them | |
| [13:58] <raster> raster: did i not mention oems above? | |
| [13:58] <raster> not google? | |
| [13:58] <raster> :) | |
| [13:59] <RaYmAn> google is essentially an oem too :) | |
| [13:59] <raster> well since they bougt moto - sure | |
| [14:00] <raster> tho within large companies its not so simple | |
| [14:00] <raster> its a lot of hops from left to right hand | |
| [14:00] <raster> :) | |
| [14:02] <gurgalof_mobil> is everyone sleeping? | |
| [14:06] <smartboyhw> gurgalof_mobil, NO | |
| [14:06] <gurgalof_mobil> :D | |
| [14:07] <gurgalof_mobil> feels like no one notices me, but ill ask again later... | |
| [14:07] <gurgalof_mobil> hmm i didnt even write a question, well well | |
| [14:11] <ogra_> gurgalof_mobil, the current ikmmge only uses a 6G partition, we're working on getting it to work for bigger devices too, the broken panel shadow is known and reported as a bug already | |
| [14:12] <ogra_> *image | |
| [14:12] <gurgalof_mobil> okay, thanks | |
| [14:13] <gurgalof_mobil> i'll revert to quantal for the moment then | |
| [14:14] <ogra_> raster, do you use pulse in youir setup ? iirc fixing the sound was a combo of alsa UCM profiles and pulse profile changes | |
| [14:14] <raster> yup | |
| [14:14] <raster> pulse is there | |
| [14:14] <gurgalof_mobil> oh and the slideshow in raring says 12.10 | |
| [14:15] <infinity> gurgalof_mobil: It usually does for the first few months. | |
| [14:15] <raster> i use it on all y setups | |
| [14:15] <raster> hell | |
| [14:15] <raster> my mier eeven detects pulse and is happy | |
| [14:15] <infinity> gurgalof_mobil: It'll say 13.04 before release. :P | |
| [14:15] <ogra_> raster, also note that the master is muted by default ... only suspend/resume isnt enough | |
| [14:15] <raster> yup | |
| [14:15] <raster> i checked | |
| [14:15] <raster> :) | |
| [14:15] <gurgalof_mobil> :P hopefully | |
| [14:15] <raster> pulse is unmuted | |
| [14:15] <raster> rhythmobx doest play | |
| [14:15] <ogra_> hmmm, then i dont know | |
| [14:16] <raster> aplay doesnt play (bypassing pulse going right to alsa) | |
| [14:16] <ogra_> it works flawless under unity for me | |
| [14:16] <raster> weird | |
| [14:16] <ogra_> boot, suspend/resume, hit vol-up omce (easier than unmuting) always gets me sound | |
| [14:16] <raster> i didnt get to test audio until i had the rest settled | |
| [14:17] <infinity> ogra_: That's an odd definition of "flawless". ;) | |
| [14:17] <ogra_> heh | |
| [14:17] <ogra_> well, "as described" :) | |
| [14:18] <infinity> Thou shalt swing the mutilated chicken thrice above thine head, whilst chanting "ALSA, our lord, hear my prayers." | |
| [14:18] <ogra_> *giggle* | |
| [14:18] <raster> ogra_: yaaargh | |
| [14:19] <raster> any info as to.. what this magic pulse + alsa magic was? | |
| [14:19] <ogra_> ask diwic during the week | |
| [14:19] <raster> ok | |
| [14:19] <raster> either way | |
| [14:19] <raster> suspend/resume is all happy now | |
| [14:19] <ogra_> he is our sound guru and added the fixes | |
| [14:19] <raster> it was wifi simply not being shut off before suspend | |
| [14:19] <ogra_> ah | |
| [14:19] <raster> u have to rfkill it or it gens wake interrupts | |
| [14:19] <raster> :) | |
| [14:20] <raster> my screen is all nicely portraited now | |
| [14:20] <ogra_> yeah,, the pm-utils scripts care for that iirc | |
| [14:20] <ogra_> portrait with working input ? | |
| [14:20] <raster> i tried the 6.1-7 xorg thing and it fixes some of the funkiness of the touch when in portrait | |
| [14:20] <raster> yeah | |
| [14:20] <ogra_> oh, sweet | |
| [14:20] <gurgalof_mobil> in quantal BT stays on while suspending as moving bt-mouse unsuspends it | |
| [14:20] <raster> tho the pointer jumps around like its obsessed | |
| [14:20] <raster> inptu works tho | |
| [14:21] <ogra_> you have a pointer ? | |
| [14:21] <ogra_> unity/compiz hides it if there isnt an actual mouse | |
| [14:21] <ogra_> (that hides such issues) | |
| [14:21] <raster> yeah | |
| [14:22] <raster> i haveth one | |
| [14:22] <raster> i can hide it if i want | |
| [14:22] <raster> i just like seeing it | |
| [14:22] <raster> its kind alike a nice debug thing | |
| [14:22] <raster> :) | |
| [14:22] <raster> i'm down to 180m of mem usage | |
| [14:22] <ogra_> heh, yeah | |
| [14:23] <raster> for some reaosn my mystery missing ram... comes back after some time | |
| [14:23] <ogra_> i think there are some oddities with the kernel | |
| [14:23] <raster> definitely | |
| [14:23] <raster> like on boot - 420m ram gone | |
| [14:23] <raster> i compile a bunch of stuff | |
| [14:23] <raster> suspend/resume a few times | |
| [14:23] <ogra_> it also shows some strange load values that i cant really confirm | |
| [14:23] <raster> restart wm etc. | |
| [14:23] <raster> and it goes DOWN.. to about 150-200 | |
| [14:24] <raster> oh yeah | |
| [14:24] <raster> and DONT use powertop | |
| [14:24] <gurgalof_mobil> WAT | |
| [14:24] <raster> it somehow turns off the cores | |
| [14:24] <raster> and makes u have only 1 core | |
| [14:24] <ogra_> file a bug ! | |
| [14:24] <raster> everything nicely slows down to a crawl | |
| [14:24] <raster> :) | |
| [14:24] <ogra_> that should definitely be fixed | |
| [14:24] <raster> i'll kick arjan next i get the chance | |
| [14:24] <ogra_> great | |
| [14:25] <raster> :) | |
| [14:25] <raster> rightr now.. i dont know what it did | |
| [14:25] <lilstevie> you should confirm that is powertop that did it | |
| [14:25] <raster> i was compiling at the time | |
| [14:25] <raster> lilstevie: certain - i was runing htop at the time | |
| [14:25] <raster> and i rant it | |
| [14:25] <lilstevie> I've come across that exact issue as a kernel bug on the tf201 | |
| [14:25] <raster> and then immediately everything jumpt to a single core | |
| [14:25] <raster> it has never happend otherwise | |
| [14:25] <raster> so far anyway | |
| [14:26] <lilstevie> raster, lather rinse repeat | |
| [14:26] <raster> busy lathering a lot of other things | |
| [14:26] <raster> :) | |
| [14:27] <lilstevie> I've never been able to trace the exact moment before, but I have never run powertop | |
| [14:27] <raster> they were too suspiciously timed together | |
| [14:27] <raster> i dont know if its pt's bug tho | |
| [14:27] <raster> it may simply innocently do something that happens to trigger the kernel bug | |
| [14:28] <raster> these things happen :) i'm rather used to them | |
| [14:33] <lilstevie> someone else should probably try the above on a n7, cause if it is the case, it is n7 specific and doesn't affect T3 in general | |
| [14:33] * lilstevie just tested | |
| [14:35] <raster> i only have the n7 | |
| [14:35] <raster> so... :) | |
| [14:37] <lilstevie> well then :p reproduce | |
| [14:38] <raster> \would love to | |
| [14:38] <raster> but i'm busy with.. other fun | |
| [14:38] <raster> like nixing backlight artifacts | |
| [15:22] <gurgalof> where do i find the 12.10 nexus7 image? | |
| [15:24] <gurgalof> or can i resize the partiton to 32GB? instead of 6? | |
| [15:25] <Tassadar> http://hwe.ubuntu.com/uds-r/nexus7/ | |
| [15:27] <krawi> hi all | |
| [15:27] <krawi> can someone give me a hint for alsa playback on pandaboard with ubuntu 12.04 server? | |
| [15:27] <krawi> in syslog: OMAP ABE Media: asoc: OMAP ABE Media no valid playback route from source to sink | |
| [15:28] <krawi> in mplayer [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1293:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open '/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p' failed (-22): Invalid argument | |
| [15:28] <krawi> and nothing is played | |
| [16:04] <krawi> one step foward | |
| [16:04] <krawi> now it is: omap_hwmod: aess: _wait_target_disable failed | |
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| [17:35] <krawi> got it | |
| [18:30] <gurgalof> can i resize the partition on my nexus7 with gparted? | |
| [18:39] <gurgalof> or is there some other way? | |
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| [19:14] <gurgalof> why do we have swap enabled in 13.04 on nexus7? | |
| [19:16] <gurgalof> I think everyone is sleeping again... | |
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