| [00:08] <zorael> how ready for daily use is raring's (kernel's) btrfs? | |
| [00:12] * penguin42 hasn't used btrfs - imho it's not just hte kernel, it's the tools as well that you need to check are up to date | |
| [02:58] <MechanisM> hello! I'm trying to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04 and having same issue as described here http://askubuntu.com/questions/222296/cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-13-04-development-release | |
| [02:59] <BluesKaj> tried the 3.7 kernel on 12.10 ...no go , just a black screen , no responses from KB or mouse , so no tty ...had to reinstall the OS | |
| [03:01] <MechanisM> when I'm running "update-manager -d" it shows new version, I"m clicking upgrade and it's closed. when trying do-release-upgrade it's showing me "No new release found" | |
| [03:03] <BluesKaj> MechanisM, the 13.04 release uses the 3,7 kernel , good li=uck with it ..your command for a development release is ," sudo do-release-upgrade -d " | |
| [03:04] <BluesKaj> BBL | |
| [03:04] <MechanisM> thanxx | |
| === len is now known as Guest88898 | |
| [03:13] <MechanisM> ohh upgrade packages will be downloaded 1,3GB?? It's better to download cd and reinstall then.. | |
| [06:23] <gnomefreak> anyone here that can tell me if libreadline5 is needed? | |
| [06:26] <gnomefreak> im getting really tired of apport crashing everytime i try to file a bug on unity, all other packages seem fine | |
| === trijntje_ is now known as trijntje | |
| [12:21] <Walther> Uhh, weird error | |
| [12:21] <Walther> Err http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com raring Release.gpg Cannot initiate the connection to fi.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2001:708:310:54::102). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:708:310:54::102 80] | |
| [12:22] <Walther> I can't get any updates anymore, as apt-get seems to be defaulting to ipv6 | |
| [12:22] <Walther> which seems not to be supported by my carrier (not surprised, this is only a mobile data connection tethered) | |
| [12:39] <fanys> hello everbyody | |
| [12:41] <penguin42> hey | |
| [12:43] <fanys> does anybody know how to install wine1.5 to my raring? i am having problems with multiarch deps | |
| [12:44] <fanys> or when it will be possible to install | |
| [12:44] <bekks> fanys: Do you use aptitude? | |
| [12:44] <fanys> no, just apt-get | |
| [12:44] <fanys> shoud i try it? | |
| [12:44] <fanys> should* | |
| [12:44] <bekks> No :) aptitude has a brokenb multiarch handling afaik. | |
| [12:44] <fanys> yeah :D | |
| [12:45] <fanys> any idea? | |
| [12:51] <penguin42> fanys: So what errors do you get when you do what? | |
| [12:52] <fanys> everything leads to libc6:i386 | |
| [12:52] <penguin42> so, install it | |
| [12:52] <fanys> i can't - it depends on debconf:i386 | |
| [12:52] <penguin42> so, install it | |
| [12:53] * penguin42 has libc6:i386 installed | |
| [12:53] <fanys> can't - it ends up in dep hell | |
| [12:53] <penguin42> fanys: Can you use a pastebin to show the actual errors you're seeing | |
| [12:54] <fanys> yes | |
| [12:54] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/qwMjJU4A | |
| [12:55] <fanys> it is in czech :/ | |
| [12:55] <penguin42> can you do the same thing proceeding it with a LANG=C please :-) | |
| [12:55] <fanys> i'll try to | |
| [12:56] <penguin42> just do LANG=C apt-get whatever | |
| [12:56] * penguin42 guesses 'ale nebude se instalovat' is not going to be installed | |
| [12:58] <fanys> http://pastebin.com/eQzvE9Rs | |
| [13:00] <penguin42> where are you getting wine1.5 from - I don't see it in my package set? | |
| [13:04] <penguin42> <breakfast> | |
| [13:04] <yofel_> bekks: aptitude's multiarch handling works again since quantal, just safe-upgrade still doesn't work as well as before. | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all | |
| [14:03] <penguin42> Hey BK | |
| [14:05] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42, still no luck with the 3.7 kernel , even on 12.10 | |
| [14:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Interesting; what's the last thing you're seeing? | |
| [14:22] <BluesKaj> penguin42, nothing, it wouldn't boot | |
| [14:23] <penguin42> you just get a blackscreen? | |
| [14:25] <BluesKaj> yup. no cursor , no response to KB or mouse , so I had to reinstall , since I couldn't remove the kernel with the live cd or even update grub | |
| [14:25] <penguin42> but grub lets you just choose the previous kernel, you don't need to reinstall for one bad kernel | |
| [14:26] <BluesKaj> there was no grub menu period, there was no way of bringing it up | |
| [14:26] <penguin42> you tried repeatedly banging the right shift straight after the bios? | |
| [14:27] <penguin42> it normally isn't displayed at all | |
| [14:27] <BluesKaj> yup | |
| [14:27] <penguin42> that's unusual | |
| [14:27] <BluesKaj> it is on this pc , i have other OS partitions | |
| [14:27] <penguin42> yeh | |
| [14:29] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I tend to edit /etc/default/grub to give me a second or two to prod it | |
| [14:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you set GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false and increase GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT then run grub-update it should display a message and give you a few seconds | |
| [14:31] <BluesKaj> I tried to reinstall grub to the / on this partition using the live cd , but it couldn't find it | |
| [14:31] <penguin42> if it's booting then you shouldn't need to rewrangle grub | |
| [14:31] <BluesKaj> yes I have the time out set to 10 secs | |
| [14:32] <BluesKaj> it 's fine now that i'm using the latest 3.5 kernel | |
| [14:33] <penguin42> next time you feel like trying it, install the kernel then follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelBoot to get it to give all the boot messages and then you have a chance of seeing what's up | |
| [14:35] <BluesKaj> penguin42, it's no point , the kernel doesn't boot here, period | |
| [14:36] <BluesKaj> I'm very famliar with that boot proicedure , I've suggested to many ppl over the yrs | |
| [14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's really really odd to get *nothing* out when booting a kernel though; I mean to stop after a few lines sure, but nothing is relaly odd | |
| [14:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What CPU is in there? | |
| [14:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I know someone else who has boot problems with the Ubuntu 3.7, but that's giving him some output and it's stopping at the calibrating TSC, that's on an early 64bit P4 | |
| [14:45] <BluesKaj> amd 64 | |
| [14:45] <BluesKaj> here | |
| [14:46] <gnomefreak> ubuntu 3.7? | |
| [14:46] <gnomefreak> hi penguin42 BluesKaj | |
| [14:47] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, 3.7 kernel | |
| [14:48] <gnomefreak> ah | |
| [14:48] <BluesKaj> I have an early band practice today ...gotta go , talk to you guys later | |
| [14:48] <gnomefreak> are you both on 13.04, and can try to reproduce a bug for me? | |
| [14:49] <penguin42> sure | |
| [14:49] <gnomefreak> s/both/both of you | |
| [14:49] <gnomefreak> penguin42: bug 1082658 | |
| [14:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1082658 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport keeps crashing when i try to file a bug on Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1082658 | |
| [14:51] <penguin42> right, let me just boot my raring vm - my main machine is running KDE raring | |
| [14:52] <gnomefreak> penguin42: cool thanks | |
| [14:53] <penguin42> it's thinking | |
| [14:54] <gnomefreak> i am too but i bet yours will be done first | |
| [14:54] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Do you get that immediately, it's asking me if it's a purely graphical issue or not? | |
| [14:54] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it show the apport collecting than crashes. its not recording crash in /var/crash either | |
| [14:55] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i had that message once or twice but not normally | |
| [14:55] <gnomefreak> and yes it is graphical | |
| === Jikan is now known as Jikai | |
| [14:56] * gnomefreak wonders if i can get away with filing the bug under gnome than add unity to the bug than apport-collect | |
| [14:56] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Are you in a non-english language? | |
| [14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: no | |
| [14:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i am english as a first language | |
| [14:56] <penguin42> hmm, so it's got as far as firefox for me | |
| [14:57] <penguin42> gah and then my X has died | |
| [14:57] <gnomefreak> thats not good | |
| [14:57] <penguin42> it's bug 1043513 which I've done a patch for | |
| [14:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1043513 in xserver-xorg-video-cirrus (Ubuntu) "Xorg crashed with SIGABRT in memcpy() via cirRefreshArea() under KVM virtual machine" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043513 | |
| [14:57] <penguin42> gnomefreak: But it doesn't look like I've hit your bug | |
| [14:58] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks for testing. sorry about X | |
| [14:58] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hey it's only my VM, not a problem | |
| [15:00] * gnomefreak goes for ssmoke and to think be back soon | |
| [15:01] <penguin42> gnomefreak: The reason I mention the non-english is the error looks like a non-ascii type thing | |
| [15:08] * gnomefreak looks | |
| [15:08] <gnomefreak> penguin42: from this "UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character '\xed' in position 40: ordinal not in range(128)" | |
| [15:09] <penguin42> yeh that's what made me think that | |
| [15:10] <gnomefreak> if i had to guess i would say that is exactly why its crashing | |
| [15:10] <penguin42> nod | |
| [15:10] <penguin42> so if you're running in English (like me) where the heck is it getting the \xed from | |
| [15:10] <gnomefreak> not sure | |
| [15:11] * penguin42 doesn't know Python, so can't really help much | |
| [15:11] <gnomefreak> i know a little python but not enough to figure this out | |
| [15:12] <gnomefreak> penguin42: how hard is it to set-up/run a vm? | |
| [15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: easy | |
| [15:13] <gnomefreak> ive been using Ubuntu since brezzy dev cycle and still havent tried a vm | |
| [15:13] <penguin42> gnomefreak: There are a few choices, I use kvm, some use virtualbox | |
| [15:14] <penguin42> I just use virt-manager to run it | |
| [15:15] * gnomefreak goes in search of a wiki | |
| [15:18] <gnomefreak> is kvm gui or cli? | |
| [15:19] <penguin42> gnomefreak: kvm is the stuff at the back, virt-manager provides a gui | |
| [15:21] <IdleOne> you might try testdrive | |
| [15:22] <penguin42> gnomefreak: http://www.treblig.org/pics/withkvm.png | |
| [15:24] <gnomefreak> does it use the main $HOME or does it make its own? | |
| [15:25] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It's a virtual machine, so it's got it's own disk image, it's all self contained | |
| [15:25] <gnomefreak> good | |
| [15:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: you can completely nuke the vm and not lose anything on the host | |
| [15:26] <gnomefreak> testdrive is the frontend for kvm? | |
| [15:27] <gnomefreak> i hated chroot due to it using main home dir, and i lost alot a bunch of times for not shutting it down properly | |
| [15:30] <penguin42> yeh chroot isn't really designed for trying new installs in - things are just too complex these days | |
| [15:31] <gnomefreak> i was using chroot to test things and build packages | |
| [15:32] <gnomefreak> ok this wiki looks old https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation anything more up-to-date with testdrive would be nice to but using search im not finding anything that looks helpful after the pre-install checklist | |
| [15:33] <penguin42> gnomefreak: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/VirtManager is virt-manager, I've not tried testdrive | |
| [15:34] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thanks that looks alot more helpful than all the ones i looked at | |
| [16:18] <yofel> penguin42: testdrive manages testing of ubuntu (and flavour) daily images. You can sync the images and run them in a VM with it | |
| [16:19] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh, just never used it | |
| [16:20] <yofel> it's nice for quick tests. For the actual install tests I run kvm by hand too | |
| [16:21] <gnomefreak> i have to wait until my brain gets back from vacation before i can try it | |
| [16:24] <IdleOne> if your brain has any brains it won't come back from vacation | |
| [16:24] <IdleOne> :) | |
| [16:25] <gnomefreak> lol | |
| [18:00] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm screen lock in k+1 is annoying me | |
| [18:00] <yofel> what's wrong with it? | |
| [18:00] <penguin42> hmm | |
| [18:01] <penguin42> yofel: When you've got the unlock screen up there doesn't seem to be anyway to get it to go away and relock (I've filed a bug on that) and also sometimes it doesn't seem to want to take my password until I explicitly click in the entry | |
| [18:02] <yofel> I didn't really notice the first point, but yeah, the password field focus isn't really reliable yet | |
| [18:03] <penguin42> yofel: I notice the 1st one because my computer is next to me and when I'm trying to watch TV in hte dark I like it to be black screen | |
| [18:05] <penguin42> yofel: That's kde bug 311116 | |
| [18:06] <ubottu> KDE bug 311116 in locker "Simple lock doesn't respond to escape or anyother way to blank again" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311116 | |
| [18:26] <Guest77324> hello, I'm on nautilus 3.6.3 and when selecting "connect to server", I'm entering url like sftp://root@hostname/ but its sends me to user home dir sftp://root@hostname/root so I can't move to filesystem root. how to solve this? | |
| [18:27] <Guest77324> in previous versions of nautolus I was able to move over all directories when I'm connected as root | |
| [18:29] <bekks> using nautilus as root is a bad habbit. | |
| [18:30] <Guest77324> bekks: I'm connecting to server via sftp as root, nautilus running not as root | |
| [18:31] <bekks> sftp as root doesnt make things better ;) | |
| [18:31] <bekks> I'd use a SFTP capable FTP-client, instead of nautilus. | |
| [18:32] <Guest77324> I love mounting folders | |
| [18:32] <Guest77324> and add to favourites | |
| [18:33] <trism> Guest77324: can't you just ctrl+L and navigate to /? (or anywhere else) | |
| [18:34] <Guest77324> yes I can, but I never used this when was using old nautilus in ubuntu 12.04 | |
| [18:42] <trism> Guest77324: I see what you mean, though the bookmarks seem to work, might just be a new design decision | |
| [18:43] <Guest77324> I know it's sends me to root home dir, so I'll go in / and will add this to bookmarks. | |
| [18:43] <trism> Guest77324: as in, I bookmarked / after connecting to the server and it let me auto connect back to / later (didn't bring me to the home directory) | |
| [18:43] <Guest77324> After today upgrade from 12.10, some bookmarks lost | |
| [18:44] <trism> oh I hadn't upgraded yet, let me look | |
| [18:44] <Guest77324> trism: yes, same did I | |
| [18:46] <Guest77324> I mean in old nautilus, when I connected as root, I'm jumped to /root folder, but I'm at least have seen / in breadcrumbs. now if I'm connected in new nautilus, it's showing me root as start of crumbs. | |
| [18:46] <Guest77324> so I was confused. ctrl +L helped me. | |
| [18:47] <trism> Guest77324: oh I see, well it doesn't look like we have any theming done for nautilus yet, so the breadcrumbs may be easier to see once it is themed for ambiance | |
| [18:49] <Guest77324> themed nice. I mean there wasn't any option to go somwhere prior root folder(in crumbs) | |
| [18:51] <trism> Guest77324: yeah I just noticed that when I looked again, sorry, I thought there would be a little arrow next to it | |
| [18:51] <trism> Guest77324: might be worth filing a bug about that if there isn't one already | |
| [18:51] <Guest77324> yes, yes | |
| [18:52] <Guest77324> sorry it's my bad english. I'm badly explained the probles, but you understand me. | |
| [18:52] <Guest77324> problem* | |
| [18:55] <Guest77324> ohhh.. I'm unable to create file in nautilus 3.6.3!! | |
| [18:55] <Guest77324> there's no any option in context menu | |
| [18:55] <Guest77324> I see option for folder, but no for file | |
| [18:57] <bjsnider> Guest77324, this has been addressed | |
| [18:58] <bjsnider> in your home/Templates folder create an empty file called whatever you want | |
| [18:58] <bjsnider> then you will see the option in the context menu | |
| [18:58] <Guest77324> ok, thanx | |
| [19:02] <Guest77324> lol, i've used "touch ~/Templates/empty_file", coz I'm was unable to create file yet. | |
| [19:21] <trism> Guest77324: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683353 seems related too (comment 6 definitely) | |
| [19:21] <ubottu> Gnome bug 683353 in daemon "need a way to request a path relative to the default directory" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | |
| [19:22] <Guest77324> trism: yep smth like that | |
| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | |
| [23:40] <jtaylor> what was the command to get info, like the executable path, of a gui application? | |
| [23:40] <jtaylor> kind of like xwininfo but different info | |
| [23:41] <penguin42> hmm | |
| [23:41] <penguin42> xlsclients? | |
| [23:42] <trism> jtaylor: xprop? | |
| [23:42] <jtaylor> trism: thx thats what I was looking for | |
| [23:43] <penguin42> ooh not seen that one before | |
| [23:46] <penguin42> doing that with -root gets some interesting stuff | |
| [23:47] <jtaylor> well using it was not such a great idea ._. | |
| [23:47] <jtaylor> crashed my machine | |
| [23:47] <penguin42> just X I assume? | |
| [23:47] <jtaylor> no idea, probably memory leak | |
| [23:48] <jtaylor> got unusable, no patience to wait until a tty reacts | |
| [23:48] <penguin42> what window did you run it on? | |
| [23:48] <jtaylor> activity log manager, but on 12.10 | |
| [23:49] <penguin42> what's activity log manager? | |
| [23:50] <jtaylor> gives some control on what zeitgeist does | |
| [23:50] <penguin42> how would I start it? | |
| [23:50] <jtaylor> privacy in the dash | |
| [23:50] <penguin42> ah ok | |
| [23:51] <penguin42> jtaylor: Fine here | |
| [23:51] <jtaylor> it might have been something else and my action at the time was just a coincidence | |
| [23:51] <jtaylor> can't reproduce it | |
| [23:52] <penguin42> hohum | |