| [00:00] <apachelogger> well | |
| [00:00] <valorie> the login to Amazon from Amarok is completely open to the buyer | |
| [00:00] <apachelogger> do we have a version that is in-your-face yet? | |
| [00:01] <valorie> sucks that the fsf is bagging on us, because of Canonical | |
| [00:01] <valorie> when we are a community supported flavor | |
| [00:02] <yofel> hm, it is disturbing that the article doesn't mention Unity even once | |
| [00:02] <ScottK> valorie: Yes. We have none of that. | |
| [00:03] <valorie> and no way to respond to his blog | |
| [00:03] * valorie is not a big fan of the present-day Stallman | |
| [00:04] <valorie> I give him credit for his early work, but I don't think he's helping, these days | |
| [00:04] <valorie> and too often, the opposite | |
| [00:06] <ScottK> In this case (which is somewhat rare) I agree with him. | |
| [00:07] <valorie> sure, but we're being tarred with that brush | |
| [00:07] <valorie> I don't like that one bit | |
| [00:08] <valorie> people still listen to him | |
| [00:08] <valorie> oh well, I've got to get the post office before they close | |
| [00:09] <maco> valorie: ive heard someone say "i pay attention to stallman the way a ship's captain pays attention to a light house. good to know where it stands, but you dont want to be in the same place" | |
| [00:11] * ScottK knows who that was too. | |
| [00:11] <ScottK> Either that or someone that copied it. | |
| [00:16] <ronnoc> It's hypocritical to say that Ubuntu is evil, when he earlier said that open source software, even on proprietary platforms, is a good gateway to free software ideals. At worst, this is merely the inverse of that idea. Much to do about nothing, IMHO. | |
| [00:17] <ronnoc> Besides, didn't Ubu make the Amazon lense entirely viluntary? | |
| [00:17] <ronnoc> *voluntary | |
| [00:17] <ScottK> ronnoc: It's on by default and even local searches get sent to Canonical if you haven't disabled all online lenses. | |
| [00:18] <ScottK> You can't turn off just the search stuff, it has to be all the online stuff in lenses or none of it. | |
| [00:18] <ronnoc> hmmm | |
| [00:18] * ronnoc hasn't used stock Ubuntu in years | |
| [00:19] <ScottK> If I were to use the local search functions on Unity for $WORK, I would almost certainly immediately violate the terms of more than one consulting contract. | |
| [00:19] <ScottK> It's just not a serious concept for people who use computers for work. | |
| [00:20] <ronnoc> Hence the flood of new users to Kubuntu and spin-offs like Mint | |
| [00:22] <ScottK> yofel: Another 4.9.4 regression (see packagers). | |
| [00:23] <yofel> great... | |
| [00:23] <yofel> I won't look at those today, can do it tomorrow morning | |
| [00:24] <ScottK> Great. | |
| [00:39] <valorie> maco: agreed | |
| [01:20] <ScottK> Riddell: knavalbattle section should not be libs. I overrode it to games, so please fix on the next upload. The package description is a bit sparse as well ... | |
| [01:26] <ScottK> Riddell: debian/copyright in ksnakeduel lists the wrong copyright holders. I'll accept it, but please fix. It should also be section games. | |
| [01:28] <ScottK> Riddell: picimi also has the wrong copyright holders and section. Please fix it as well. | |
| [01:46] <yofel> ScottK: as pykde4 requires SIP from raring - do I need to backport python-qt4 as well? or will backporting it break something as the python3 versions are different? | |
| [01:52] * yofel backports and hopes for the best | |
| [01:54] <yofel> hm, I need to backport pyqt anyway | |
| [02:24] <yofel> erk | |
| [02:24] <yofel> Missing build dependencies: python3-all-dev (>= 3.2.3-6~) | |
| [02:24] * yofel calls it a day - good night | |
| [06:17] <rbelem> danimo, what do you think about use libcap-ng in icecc? | |
| [06:18] <rbelem> danimo, i started a patch doing that https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/tree/libcap-ng | |
| [06:20] <rbelem> danimo: what do you think? | |
| [06:20] * rbelem snoozes | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy all | |
| [14:29] <yofel> dolphin patches for 4.9 are imported | |
| [16:27] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks. | |
| [16:30] <ScottK> Riddell: You have a ubiquity merge request I've asked you to review (not sure how closely you read that type of mail) | |
| [16:51] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks added to my todo | |
| [16:51] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get my comments from my New review of your games packages yesterday? | |
| [16:53] <Riddell> ScottK: mm yes but I should also have that on my todo thanks | |
| [16:53] <Riddell> added now :) | |
| [16:53] <ScottK> Great. | |
| [16:59] <yofel> ScottK: would you be so nice to look at the quantal backport for python-qt4 in ninjas? I have no idea what needs to be done there without breaking something. | |
| [16:59] <ScottK> I'll try and have a look. I'm not sure I remember. | |
| [17:00] <Riddell> if it's hassle to backport then it can be missed out | |
| [17:00] <yofel> it needs a newer python3 version than we have in quantal | |
| [17:00] <yofel> Riddell: without it we don't get pykde | |
| [17:00] <Riddell> not many people need the latest and greatest pykde I'd think | |
| [17:00] <yofel> hm, ok, then only kate needs to be fixed to be happy with the old pykde | |
| [17:00] <ScottK> yofel: I'd skip it unless it's essential. | |
| [17:01] <yofel> I don't know. If we don't really need the new pykde, then I would skip sip/pyqt/pykde altogether | |
| [17:01] <ScottK> The solution (I remember now) is the fixed dh_python3 and we don't want to mess with that in our PPA | |
| [17:01] <ScottK> That's best if you can manage it. | |
| [17:02] <yofel> only kate is stuck in depwait, if the rest will work with the old one we're fine | |
| [17:02] <ScottK> IIRC most of that was driven by the switch to python3.3 and that's not relevant. | |
| [17:02] <yofel> I'll remove the python stuff | |
| [17:13] <ScottK> I went through the 4.9.90 packages in the archive and retried everything that needed it. | |
| [17:33] <shadeslayer> ohai | |
| [17:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks for that | |
| [17:34] <ScottK> The ubuntu-build script is full of awesome. | |
| [17:36] <shadeslayer> :D | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apart from being awesome, it's also buggy | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> ~ » ubuntu-build kate raring status | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> powerpc: Successfully built. | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> nope | |
| [17:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No. That's correct | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> lolwot | |
| [17:40] <ScottK> You want the status in raring-proposed | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1/+build/4046243 | |
| [17:40] <shadeslayer> ohh | |
| [17:41] <shadeslayer> it ... okay | |
| [17:41] <ScottK> Do what I mean, not what I say is not a bug. | |
| [17:48] <shadeslayer> I assumed it would just take the most recently uploaded version | |
| [17:50] <yofel> 4.9.90 for quantal ready for testing. Noting obviously broken here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/ppa/4.9.90p.html | |
| [17:50] <yofel> !testers | |
| [17:50] <ubottu> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan | |
| [17:50] <yofel> it's in ninjas | |
| [17:51] <shadeslayer> raring ftw :P | |
| [17:51] <yofel> i'm installing it here on my desktop right now. | |
| [17:54] <yofel> meh, need to backport digikam | |
| [17:56] <yofel> and I didn't fix the kajongg deps for quantal o.O | |
| [18:48] <Tm_T> yofel riddell et al, if you add to !testers call "| test foofoo from barbaz" we get all the information in the hilight (: | |
| [18:49] <yofel> I keep forgetting about that... | |
| [18:49] <Tm_T> np | |
| [19:27] <simplew> i have many applications appearing in gnome session, why werent these .desktop files set to appear only in KDE desktop? | |
| [19:28] <yofel> which ones? Most kde applications run fine in gnome | |
| [19:29] <simplew> yofel: theres many, yes but having equivalent gnome apps and als have kde apps listed shouldnt happen | |
| [19:29] <ScottK> simplew: Apps are generally DE independent. | |
| [19:30] <yofel> No, that's fine. There are people that run amarok in gnome for example | |
| [19:30] <ScottK> The only things that should be KDE only are things tied to the DE/workspace. | |
| [19:30] <simplew> yofel: this its confusing... | |
| [19:31] <yofel> why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a use wants to override that, let him do it | |
| [19:32] <yofel> s/a use/a user/ | |
| [19:32] <kubotu> yofel meant: "why? We have no reason to prevent people from using nautilus in KDE or dolphin in gnome. What's used by default is just a DE setting. If a user wants to override that, let him do it" | |
| [19:32] <shadeslayer> actually | |
| [19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: unless something changed, using nautilus in KDE is a bad idea | |
| [19:32] <shadeslayer> takes over plasma-desktop | |
| [19:32] <shadeslayer> :P | |
| [19:33] <shadeslayer> atleast that's what it did 4 years ago | |
| [19:33] <yofel> not sure how it's in gnome3 | |
| [19:33] <yofel> but yeah, back then you needed --no-desktop | |
| [19:33] <ScottK> Probably takes over more now that Gnome is an OS. | |
| [19:33] <simplew> yofel: :) | |
| [19:33] * yofel assumed that they took the desktop out of nautilus | |
| [19:34] <yofel> wait, that's gnome-shell now, isn't it? | |
| [19:34] <simplew> yofel: ? | |
| [19:34] <yofel> simplew: just wondering what manages the desktop in gnome these days. In gnome2 it was nautilus. I think in gnome3 it's gnome-shell | |
| [19:35] <ScottK> FYI, I'm checking out the Python 3 patch for kpythonpluginfactory and will upload an ubuntu2 of pykde4 if I get it worked out. | |
| [19:35] <ScottK> jbicha would know. | |
| [19:36] <yofel> I need to try that gnomebuntu thing one of these days | |
| [19:40] <simplew> yofel: well im just poking around in gnome to see how it goes, im not an expert :) | |
| [19:41] <simplew> yofel: but i thought that if there are apps equivalent in gnome to kde, that the kde apps should appear only kde | |
| [19:41] <yofel> nope, the user is free to use either one | |
| [19:42] <simplew> yofel: im using dolphin in gnome though... | |
| [19:43] <simplew> nautilus is a mess... | |
| [19:44] <simplew> and im in konversation also :D | |
| [19:56] <yofel> digikam finally finished building | |
| [20:00] <shadeslayer> hah | |
| [20:00] <shadeslayer> futurama has this sound in one of their episodes which sounds exactly like my mac when it boots | |
| [20:00] <yofel> *sigh* - yet another mac fan spotted | |
| [20:01] <shadeslayer> the kind that spins? | |
| [20:01] <ScottK> Someone should tell Apple so they can sue. Their valuable intellectual property is being tarnished. | |
| [20:02] <yofel> well, that too. I meant fan as in fanboy though :P | |
| [20:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hehe | |
| [20:02] <ScottK> shadeslayer: re the notes on the pad: The polikit-qt thing with pykde is not new. | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> ah okay | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> I put it in there before I knew what the issue was | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> forgot to remove | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> apparently polkit qt is too new | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you upload a new hupnp release? | |
| [20:04] <yofel> note: the things you can ignore are documented in cmake-ignore.json in the automation folder | |
| [20:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Give me the .dsc link | |
| [20:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/hupnp_1.0.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc | |
| [20:05] <yofel> yay, overwrite errors FTW -.- | |
| [20:05] <shadeslayer> oh drat, I just realized that there are new copyright years from the diff | |
| [20:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ^ Want me to fix those before you upload? | |
| [20:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes. Please. | |
| [20:06] <shadeslayer> okay, will do and send you a new link later | |
| [20:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Any luck on KTP and the gstreamer transition? | |
| [20:21] <shadeslayer> Uhh ... I asked George to email the Kubuntu Devel ML | |
| [20:21] <shadeslayer> but I guess he hasn't gotten around to it | |
| [20:22] <yofel> *sigh* - you still can't restart normally after updating to 4.9.90 | |
| [20:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I can't comment because I don't really have an idea as to what needs to be done ... he's the best guy to answer that email | |
| [20:22] <yofel> what provides the logout/shutdown/restart/etc. confirmation menu? | |
| [20:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please follow up with him then. | |
| [20:23] <shadeslayer> yeah pinged him agan | |
| [20:23] <ScottK> You're our KTP guy so ... | |
| [20:23] <shadeslayer> *again | |
| [20:23] <ScottK> Thanks. | |
| [20:23] <shadeslayer> right | |
| [20:27] <yofel> printer config seems to work, so I guess we're fine using pydke 4.9 | |
| [20:27] <yofel> *pykde | |
| [20:28] <yofel> anyway, except that you can't reboot after update, 4.10 works fine here in quantal | |
| [20:53] <yofel> I'm copying the quantal packages to the beta ppa, we can continue the testing there | |
| [21:03] <yofel> !testers | Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal | |
| [21:03] <ubottu> Please test 4.10 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta for quantal: Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan | |
| [21:05] <Tm_T> I just installed 4.90.* from ninjas | |
| [21:05] <Tm_T> suffice? | |
| [21:06] <ScottK> yofel: The new print thing is in C++ | |
| [21:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: It's in raring proposed. | |
| [21:07] <ScottK> kdeplasma-addons won't build until we get a fixed marble. | |
| [21:08] <yofel> Tm_T: for quantal? yeah, that's fine | |
| [21:08] * yofel just didn't recieve any response yet | |
| [21:09] <shadeslayer> ->sleep | |
| [21:09] <yofel> nini shadeslayer | |
| [21:18] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [932177] XFCE (and other non-GNOME) desktops do not initialise gnome-keyring correctly / WARNING: gn... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/932177 (by Paul Bogmat) | |
| [21:41] <jussi> Welll, this 4.10 beta appears to work well | |
| [21:43] <jussi> Any particular test cases I need to run? | |
| [21:45] <yofel> "It works" is probably good enough for the beta. But if you have a laptop, try the touchpad config and see if it still works. (Or any pykde app for that matter) | |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | |
| [23:21] <afiestas> has anyone tried the rarin alpha? | |
| [23:21] <afiestas> I'm trying to install it, and so far it is stuck in the page after selecting the lang | |