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[00:10] <ScottK> ronnoc: Someone ought to explain to them that there's KDE/Plasma in the Ubuntu repositories. No need to offer opensuse just for that. |
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[00:11] <ronnoc> ScottK: I caught that |
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[00:11] <ScottK> ronnoc: Here's your chance to be a Kubuntu evangelist. |
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[00:13] <ronnoc> Yea. I'll start by blogging about it and commenting on the article and go from there. At that pricepoint, and with the percieved 'safety-net' of Android, this thing could be huge. |
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[00:20] <ScottK> Deleting 22K messages from Akonadi/Kmail takes a LONG time. |
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[00:24] <micahg> that's something it shares with Thunderbird :) |
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[00:26] <persia> Do they regenerate the index on each delete? |
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[01:23] <ScottK> Not sure, but it's progressed about 2.5K since I mentioned it. |
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[01:23] <ScottK> I suspect the problem is the display is trying to refresh after each delete as the process that's CPU bound is Kontact/Kmail, not something akonadi. |
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[04:01] <ronnoc_> BTW ScottK - I'm already a kubuntu evangelist :) |
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[06:00] <Tm_T> mhb ... who knows where he is? |
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[06:01] <Tm_T> this one https://launchpad.net/~martin.bohm |
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[06:01] <Tm_T> ...is expiring on kubuntu-members |
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[06:04] <ScottK> He's not been involved in some time. |
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[06:04] <ScottK> It's unfortunate, but I'm not surprised. |
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[06:05] <Tm_T> allright so no worries |
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[09:21] <Mamarok> Riddell: the Polo just arrived, yay! |
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[09:21] <Mamarok> thank you very much :) |
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[09:29] <afiestas> Riddell: ktuberling thingy done |
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[09:42] <Riddell> Mamarok: remember the payment, you need to post a picture of you or someone equally good looking wearing it on planets ubuntu/kde :) |
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[09:42] <Mamarok> will certainly do in a few minutes :) |
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[09:42] <Mamarok> I will ping you when it is up |
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[09:45] <Riddell> "Qt 4.8.4 has just been released" says my e-mail |
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[10:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: nice |
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[10:02] <Tm_T> "Stable release4.8.4[2] / 29 November 2012; 5 days ago" says Wikipedia, ye |
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[10:02] <Tm_T> source being http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/11/29/qt-4-8-4-released/ |
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[10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: mm, qt announce list being a bit slow indeed |
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[10:40] <Riddell> bah kdepimlibs needing some change |
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[11:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: art thou working on pimlibs? |
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[11:21] <shadeslayer> it needs libxslt1-dev from what I can tell |
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[11:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah I am |
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[11:22] <shadeslayer> ah cool |
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[11:22] <Riddell> just got my chroot set up |
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[11:22] <shadeslayer> cool :) |
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[11:24] <shadeslayer> lunchpad i386 builders have insanely long build queues |
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[12:08] <Riddell> loads of symbols removed from kdepimlibs 4.9.90 compared to 4.9.80 |
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[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all |
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[13:23] <Riddell> lots more 4.9.90 to be done http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html |
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[13:24] <Riddell> !ninjas |
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[13:24] <ubottu> Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel |
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[13:24] <apachelogger> busy with phonon stuff |
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[13:25] * yofel_ is at work |
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[13:25] <Riddell> just when you're free :) |
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[13:25] <Riddell> and not busy on alpha 1 testing or 4.9.4 :) |
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[13:31] <simplew> sometimes kubuntu changes back to defaults, i use to change fonts to 'Sans 8' and in "kcmshell4 componentchooser" -> Web Browser i use to change to option 'in an application based on the contents of the URL'. but kubuntu uses to change back these settings to defaults, how is this possible? |
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[13:33] <yofel_> someone that's bored could test 4.9.4 for precise. It finished building a while ago |
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[13:34] <Riddell> yofel_: for precise? very generous of us to do |
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[13:34] <simplew> Riddell: i have sent you an email about this problem, could you have a look? |
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[13:34] <yofel_> there seem to be plenty of people still on precise, and it's not a really large update |
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[13:35] <simplew> yofel_: hey dude :) |
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[13:35] <Riddell> simplew: sorry not today way too many other things to be done |
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[13:35] <yofel_> hi simplew |
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[13:36] <simplew> no one has an idea why these 2 settings keep getting to kubuntus default for no reason? |
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[13:37] <apachelogger> yofel, Riddell: IMHO we should try to give more updates to LTS releases anyway ... particularly when they are little effort |
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[13:37] <simplew> Riddell: the mail was sent 8 days ago... |
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[13:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a bit of a luxury when we're slow at packaging for development release and current release |
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[13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: personally I'd take LTS + dev series over latest random stable |
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[13:39] <apachelogger> but yeah |
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[13:39] <apachelogger> we'd be faster if people were talking me serious :P |
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[13:39] <simplew> does anyone have a clue why the mouse theme in lightdm or kdm is 'Oxygen_White' when i changed the mouse theme in systemsettings to another? |
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[13:39] <apachelogger> language fail |
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[13:40] <yofel> simplew: the login screen should be using the x-cursor-theme alternative |
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[13:40] <apachelogger> also #kubuntu for support please |
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[13:41] * apachelogger just broke ktuberling again -.- |
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[13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: the audience who wants an LTS is unlikely to want the latest KDE from a PPA I feel |
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[13:42] <simplew> apachelogger: but these questions are also realted with development, so that they can be fixed |
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[13:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: dunno, particularly kde contributors tend to install LTS for their dear ones but put the latest PPA SC on it |
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[13:43] <apachelogger> so it's less far off from the latest and greatest |
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[13:43] <simplew> i see that in startupconfigfiles and startupconfigkeys theres no set for fonts, maybe thats why fonts continue being changed to kubuntu defaults? |
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[13:43] <apachelogger> (I am not saying we should backport every SC inbetween LTS relases btw) |
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[13:44] <Riddell> "PPA exceeded its size limit" |
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[13:44] <Riddell> rollocks, ninjas is full |
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[13:44] <yofel> hehe |
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[13:44] <apachelogger> do they still not run janitor? |
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[13:44] <yofel> it's running |
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[13:45] <yofel> but it seems like 4.9.90 + 2X4.9.4 was too large |
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[13:46] <Riddell> especially with language packs for quantal and precise! |
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[13:46] <apachelogger> we have language packs in ninja? |
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[13:46] <apachelogger> guess those do not need to go there |
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[13:46] <yofel> I didn't think they would be that large |
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[13:47] <Riddell> yofel's generosity is too large :) |
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[13:47] <yofel> true ^^ |
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[13:47] <apachelogger> ^^ |
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[13:47] <Riddell> when is 4.9.4 released so it can be moved out of ninjas? |
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[13:47] <yofel> 4.9.4 release is supposed to be today: a) wait b) remove langpack c) ask for more size |
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[13:47] <yofel> ? |
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[13:48] <Riddell> d) move out of ninjas toot sweet |
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[13:48] <apachelogger> well |
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[13:48] <apachelogger> you can copy the langpacks to staging meanwhile |
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[13:48] <Riddell> if it's due for release today that's entirely fair |
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[13:48] <apachelogger> if you want to wait |
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[13:49] <Riddell> nah, way to much bother to copy them twice |
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[13:49] <Riddell> they should be moved to updates/backports |
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[13:50] <Riddell> yofel: what's needed to get them moved? I'm at your disposal since I can't do 4.9.90 currently |
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[13:50] <yofel> I think someone tested quantal, so we're good to move it. For precise I would need a test first. |
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[13:51] <Riddell> yes soee tested it |
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[13:51] <yofel> if we do want to move them without waiting for an announcement |
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[13:51] <Riddell> I'll test quantal locally and precise on an ec2 |
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[13:51] <soee> yes tested yesterday, no problems during and after upgrade |
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[13:52] <yofel> Riddell: then I could copy quantal right now and wipe it from ninjas |
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[13:53] <simplew> seams im not being taken seriously... |
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[13:53] <yofel> simplew: we have more pressing issues right now... |
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[13:54] <simplew> yofel: i consider this problem a very serious one, having settings reverted to default, that should never happen |
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[13:55] <Riddell> simplew: sorry we're just busy on several things this week |
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[13:55] <simplew> well, this is my POV, but i think in a generall view its a very important issue |
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[13:55] <Riddell> yofel: go for it |
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[13:55] <yofel> ack |
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[13:55] <apachelogger> simplew: there are no reports about this on launchpad so I suppose it is caused by something in your specific setup |
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[13:56] <simplew> apachelogger: not quite, i have created new users and this continues to happen |
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[13:57] <apachelogger> ok |
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[13:57] <simplew> apachelogger: and only these 2 settings are the ones that are reverted to defaults, the remaining ones continue following user sets |
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[13:58] <simplew> apachelogger: so far i didnt set /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals to use the fonts i want to see whats causing this, but i cant discover it |
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[13:59] <Darkwing> aaaaaaaaand another email change for the Darkwing |
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[14:02] <simplew> Riddell: why default fonts in kdelibs were changed to 'Dejavu Sans' and in kubuntu-default-settings continues with Ubuntu? |
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[14:03] <Riddell> simplew: I think the patch in kdelibs comes from debian, the kubuntu-default-settings value is a decision of kubuntu |
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[14:04] <apachelogger> qt&kdelibs are patched by debian to use dejavu |
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[14:04] <yofel> Riddell: done, try again |
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[14:04] <simplew> but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, are that patch continues in ubuntu? |
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[14:04] <simplew> but if in kubuntu is to use different fonts, why that patch continues in ubuntu? |
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[14:06] <apachelogger> because we want dejavu when kds is not installed |
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[14:07] <simplew> apachelogger: kds? |
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[14:07] <apachelogger> the settings package |
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[14:12] <Riddell> actually we should remove that dejavu patch, it might mess with the fontconfig settings which will be more considered |
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[14:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: should talk with debian why they patch |
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[14:16] <apachelogger> perhaps the fontconfig stuff in earlier Qt4 was misbehaving |
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[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: debian's fontconfig settings are different from ubuntu so I think there are separate issues |
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[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the point is that the default font should be set via fontconfig and the patches do nothing more than that |
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[14:20] <Riddell> yes |
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[14:20] <apachelogger> (which could of course be achieved by putting a config file into the qt package if necessary |
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[14:20] <apachelogger> ) |
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[14:49] <rbelem> danimo_: ping |
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[14:50] <rbelem> danimo_: we have sent more patches |
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[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: cool, can't look into them, but if they are on the server side, coolo is the better person to ask anyway |
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[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: that make icecc work with android |
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[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: (I'm on a code camp atm) |
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[14:51] <danimo_> rbelem: cool! |
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[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: oki :-) |
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[14:51] <rbelem> danimo_: which channel can i find him? |
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[14:52] <danimo_> rbelem: usually he just idles on IRC |
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[14:52] <danimo_> rbelem: he'll react on github notifications though |
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[14:53] <rbelem> danimo_: oki :-) i will wait for him |
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[14:53] <rbelem> thx danimo_ |
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[15:15] <Riddell> yofel: precise removes a bunch of packages on dist-upgrade to ninjas http://paste.kde.org/619580/ |
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[15:16] <Quintasan> \o |
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[15:16] <yofel> Riddell: you do have backports enabled as well? |
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[15:16] <Riddell> yofel: no, should I? |
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[15:16] <Riddell> kubuntu backports? |
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[15:17] <Riddell> The following packages will be REMOVED: libkdegames5a libkggzgames4 |
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[15:17] <yofel> yes, kubuntu backports, ninjas has only the parts that are needed to build the 4.9.4 pieces. You'll need a bit more to get the deps worked out |
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[15:17] <Riddell> ah yes, that's better |
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[15:40] <shadeslayer> how interesting |
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[15:40] <shadeslayer> agateau: do you know about : https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/telepathy-indicator/trunk |
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[15:43] <shadeslayer> agateau: can we potentially use that for KDE Telepathy? |
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[15:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's not new? there's always been a telepathy indicator plugin |
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[15:43] <Riddell> it works but uses a bunch of gtk stuff |
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[15:43] <shadeslayer> hmm |
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[15:43] <Riddell> apt-get install telepathy-indicator |
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[15:44] <shadeslayer> right, but does it work with ktp? |
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[15:46] <shadeslayer> nope |
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[15:46] <Riddelll> yofel: 4.9.4 working well on precise |
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[15:47] <Riddell> vnc ec2-54-234-27-194.compute-1.amazonaws.com:5901 should you wish to check |
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[15:48] <agateau> shadeslayer: never heard of this |
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[15:48] * agateau clicks |
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[15:49] <agateau> oh, it's not specific to ktp |
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[15:49] <shadeslayer> hmm |
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[15:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it does, it works with the telepathy daemon |
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[15:49] <Riddell> you need to restart it after install |
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[15:49] <shadeslayer> 0.o |
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[15:49] * shadeslayer tries |
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[15:50] * agateau never knows how to start telepathy stuff :) |
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[15:50] <shadeslayer> tp is fairly decoupled :P |
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[15:50] <agateau> indeed |
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[15:50] <shadeslayer> lemme logout |
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[15:51] <Riddell> you might need to restart something else I'm not sure, I know it didn't work for me when I installed it then it magically worked when I wasn't expecting it later |
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[15:52] <agateau> it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by end |
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[15:52] <agateau> s/end/hand/ |
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[15:52] <kubotu> agateau meant: "it's probably a standalone binary which you can run by hand" |
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[15:55] <shadeslayer> uhh can't get it to work for some reason |
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[15:58] <yofel> Riddell: thanks |
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[16:07] <danimo_> why is inotify.h under /usr/include/<arch>/sys/, instead of /usr/include/sys in 12.04? |
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[16:07] <danimo_> or am I missing an additional package? |
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[16:07] <shadeslayer> do header includes get multi arched? |
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[16:07] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure |
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[16:08] <shadeslayer> nope |
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[16:08] <shadeslayer> for eg : http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/kdelibs5-dev/filelist |
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[16:09] <shadeslayer> oh hmm |
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[16:09] <shadeslayer> danimo_: on raring : /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/inotify.h |
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[16:09] <shadeslayer> this is thoroughly confusing |
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[16:09] <danimo_> shadeslayer: yes, but cmake will not look in the arch directory |
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[16:10] <danimo_> given it's an implementation detail of debians arch abstraction, apps shouldn't even have to know |
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[16:19] <yofel> cmake *should* check there - unless someone goes and overrides the include search patch. I could be wrong though... |
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[16:21] <yofel> I know that we have a patch for gwenview for exactly that reason |
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[16:21] <danimo_> yofel: find_path(INOTIFY_INCLUDE_DIR sys/inotify.h) fails |
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[16:21] <danimo_> yofel: url? |
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[16:22] <danimo_> yofel: it's the reason why the owncloud client never uses inotify on debian/ubuntu/kubuntu |
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[16:23] <shadeslayer> danimo_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/gwenview/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_cmake_jpeg_multiarch_path.diff |
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[16:23] <yofel> fun |
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[16:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks (my network connection is crappy right now :( ) |
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[16:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: np :) |
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[16:24] <shadeslayer> also, hah! how the tables have turned :P |
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[16:25] <yofel> :P |
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[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/revision/53 |
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[16:33] <shadeslayer> dafuq? |
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[16:33] <shadeslayer> "53. By Jonathan Riddell 3 hours ago : asdjaaoijs" |
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[16:34] <shadeslayer> not to mention things like : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/analitza/files/head:/debian/libanalitzagui4/ |
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[16:38] <shadeslayer> brrrr |
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[16:38] <shadeslayer> Could not find executable /build/buildd/ark-4.9.90/obj-x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/clirarplugin/tests/clirartest.shell |
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[16:39] <shadeslayer> is that because we have disabled tests in kde4libs? |
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[16:40] <shadeslayer> wohooo |
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[16:40] <shadeslayer> "PPA exceeded its size limit (11527.00 of 10240.00 MiB). Ask a question in https://answers.launchpad.net/soyuz/ if you need more space." |
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[16:41] <yofel> we already wiped stuff, now wait for the janitor |
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[16:41] <shadeslayer> yeah |
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[16:43] <yofel> oh, beta2 announcement is out |
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[16:44] <yofel> and 4.9.4 got its release page |
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[16:45] <shadeslayer> *nod* |
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[16:50] <yofel> yofel: re gwenview patch: fix that in FindJPEG rather |
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[16:51] <yofel> meh, I can't highlight myself |
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[16:51] <yofel__> yofel: ^ |
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[16:51] <yofel> better |
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[16:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: could you tell my head wasn't fully functioning this morning? :) |
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[16:52] <shadeslayer> lol |
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[16:52] <shadeslayer> silly yofel talking to himself :D |
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[16:53] <shadeslayer> and I thought I was the silly one when I talked to myself to test telepathy |
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[16:53] <yofel> :P |
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[17:09] <shadeslayer> anyone running precise and want to test some FF packages with KDE integration? |
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[17:09] <Riddell> oh I just shut off that ec2 machine :( |
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[17:24] <Mamarok> Riddell: see my blog: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2012/12/04/on-knitting-google-codein-and-a-nice-surprise-delivered-to-my-doorstep/ |
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[17:24] <Riddell> Mamarok: now you're famous http://planet.ubuntu.com/ :) |
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[17:25] <Mamarok> good! |
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[17:25] <Mamarok> blame markey for the blurry pic |
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[17:25] <Riddell> he just doesn't want anyone to see your good looks in that shirt |
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[17:26] <Mamarok> lol |
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[17:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Any progress on business cards? |
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[17:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: oh, also, did you take a look at maliit? |
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[17:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: no sorry been too busy for either |
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[17:39] <Quintasan> Riddell: That's okay, I just wanted to know if there was any progress, I'm particulary interested in business cards :P |
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[17:39] <Darkwing> someone made business card templates? |
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[17:39] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Not really, that's what we are looking for I believe |
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[17:39] <Darkwing> ahhhhhh |
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[17:39] * Darkwing ponders |
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[17:40] <Riddell> it's not difficult to make an SVG with logo+contact details on it |
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[17:40] <Quintasan> I think we agreed on name, surname, phone, email and gpg fingerprint on it. |
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[17:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't think it is if you KNOW how to do it |
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[17:40] * Quintasan for example has virtually no iea |
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[17:41] <Quintasan> idea* |
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[17:41] <Darkwing> I found that placing a scannable QR on the back was good. I did that for loco cards I made a while back. |
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[17:41] <Quintasan> Hmm, that's a good idea :D |
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[17:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: apt-get install inkscape is the first step :) |
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[17:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: That sort of implies I have the thing called design sense :P |
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[17:49] <shadeslayer> you could do a call for designs on G+ |
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[17:50] <shadeslayer> the guy who started the G+ page has awesome design skillz |
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[18:51] <Quintasan> ScottK: What was that python package which you showed me at uds? |
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[21:43] <ScottK> Quintasan: No idea. Can you give me a hint? |
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[21:43] <ScottK> yofel: You saw 4.9.4 is released, right? |
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[21:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: It was that one with some multiarch dirty hack |
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[21:44] <ScottK> Quintasan: pykde4 |
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[21:44] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks |
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[21:48] <robtygart> I have a quick question about rc.local http://paste.kde.org/619796/ Do I need to change the 0 to a 1? |
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[21:51] <robtygart> Ok never mind I think I figured it out. |
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[21:54] <robtygart> Would it be possible to add something to disable DPMS in the next build. PLEASE! |
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[21:58] <yofel> ScottK: we published it to get it out of the way, but there's no announcement yet |
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[21:58] <yofel> only the website update |
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[21:58] <ScottK> yofel: There's a KDE announcement. |
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[21:58] <yofel> not on http://www.kde.org/announcements/... |
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[21:59] <yofel> and I only got the 4.9.90 announcement mail today |
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[21:59] <ScottK> It was a bit before that. |
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[22:01] <yofel> I saw the mail to the release-team, but nothing to kde-announce |
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[22:01] <ScottK> Yeah. |
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[22:01] <ScottK> It turns out that's all I saw too. |
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[22:01] <yofel> that's why I didn't put anything on the website yet |
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[22:01] <ScottK> They've published it, so we should go ahead and announce, etc. |
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[22:01] <ScottK> Go for it. |
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[22:02] <yofel> hm... I'm kinda conservative on this after sebas once asked me to not announce things ahead of time... |
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[22:03] <ScottK> They've published the release, so I think it's on them now. |
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[22:03] <yofel> I'll make the website announcement in a bit, I'll poke you to push the publish button then ;P |
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[22:22] <ScottK> OK. |
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[22:34] <ScottK> robtygart: Why? |
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[22:34] <ScottK> Also what file is that in? |
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[22:35] <robtygart> ScottK: I am trying to disable "dpms" at startup |
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[22:35] <ScottK> Right, but why are you trying to do that? |
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[22:36] <robtygart> But I only can from terminal using "xset -dpms" after restart its back to defult |
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[22:37] <robtygart> the file is /ect/rc.local |
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[22:37] <ScottK> Oh, so you added it? |
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[22:38] <ScottK> Or rather added the dpms call. |
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[22:41] <robtygart> yes I added that. |
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[22:41] <robtygart> Thank you Scott. |
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[22:41] <robtygart> I think I figured it out. |
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[22:41] <ScottK> OK. |
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[22:42] <ScottK> I suspect you can change things in /etc/kbd/config or add your own script in /etc/X11/Xsessions.d. |
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[22:42] <robtygart> So that should keep DPMS of |
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[22:43] <robtygart> off*? |
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[22:45] <robtygart> Thanks again Scott! I need to restart. Bye |
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[23:01] <Riddell> I wonder if ninjas is accepting uploads yet |
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[23:04] <ScottK> Was it not before? |
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[23:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Did we ask to have cron turned off for our images? |
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[23:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I didn't no |
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[23:05] <ScottK> Shall I? |
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[23:05] <Riddell> please do |
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[23:05] <ScottK> OK. |
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[23:05] <yofel> ninjas has space again |
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[23:05] <ScottK> Done. |
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[23:38] <simplew> whats the kde equivalent to wireshark ? |
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[23:56] <Riddell> simplew: try asking in #kubuntu or #kde |
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[23:57] <simplew> Riddell: thats why the answer didnt got answered, i thoutght i was in ##linux |
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[23:58] <ScottK> In any case, it's wireshark or tcpdump. |
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