| [03:49] <pitti> Good morning | |
| [04:44] <TheMuso> ~/c -all | |
| [04:51] <RAOF> Wow. The archive's pretty unstable after B2 release. | |
| [04:54] <TheMuso> I guess thats one drawback of everything being held in the queue... You don't see any breakage for a few days, and then it all hits... | |
| [04:55] <pitti> but still http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html shouldn't look like this | |
| [04:55] <pitti> the plan is to eventually redirect _all_ uploads to -proposed, let them build on all arches, and only auto-migrate them to -release once everything is built and installable | |
| [04:56] <TheMuso> Yep. | |
| [05:15] <didrocks> good morning | |
| [05:59] <pitti> bonjour didrocks! | |
| [06:02] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti! | |
| [06:45] <jibel> good morning | |
| [06:51] <bryceh> Sawubona | |
| [06:51] <didrocks> seems already EOD for jibel :) | |
| [07:06] <pitti> didrocks: mais oui -- c'est vendredi! | |
| [07:06] <didrocks> pitti: héhé, vive le week-end! (bientôt ;)) | |
| [08:02] <Laney> hey | |
| [08:02] <Laney> happy friday! | |
| [08:02] <didrocks> hey Laney :) | |
| [08:02] <didrocks> happy friday! | |
| [08:03] <didrocks> Laney: just rejected PS ubuntu-font-family change FYI. See https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-font-family-sources/manual_fix_ubuntu_M/+merge/126647 | |
| [08:03] <Laney> didrocks: hmm, don't we need the Qt change too? | |
| [08:04] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu2 this one | |
| [08:04] <didrocks> Laney: seb is just telling me that | |
| [08:04] <didrocks> but it seems PS didn't test Qt apps first (see the comments) | |
| [08:04] <didrocks> weird, I've upgraded this morning | |
| [08:05] <seb128> didrocks, you use proposed? | |
| [08:05] <seb128> hey didrocks, Laney | |
| [08:05] <Laney> moin | |
| [08:05] <didrocks> seb128: still in -proposed, devs are not supposed to use it :) | |
| [08:05] * didrocks cherry-pick it from -proposed | |
| [08:05] <seb128> didrocks, right, post beta2 churns | |
| [08:05] <didrocks> I would have thought all -proposed would be copide | |
| [08:05] <didrocks> copied* | |
| [08:05] <seb128> it was only accepted in proposed yesterday evening | |
| [08:06] <seb128> did it even build on slow arches yet? | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> ah maybe | |
| [08:06] <Laney> I don't know though, because https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-font-family-sources/manual_fix_ubuntu_M/+merge/126647/comments/273105 refers to that proposed upload | |
| [08:06] <seb128> no | |
| [08:06] <Laney> and calls the font fix a workaround?! | |
| [08:06] <seb128> it's still building on arm* | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I don't understand :) | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> Laney: proposing a fix and then rejecting himself :) | |
| [08:06] <Laney> maybe it refers to the /proper/ fix in Qt | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> and not testing on Qt where it's asked to do it | |
| [08:06] <Laney> which is an API,ABI break | |
| [08:06] <Laney> weird | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> Laney: I'll try both | |
| [08:07] <didrocks> new Qt with patched font packaged | |
| [08:07] <didrocks> and then new Qt only | |
| [08:07] <Laney> I wouldn't be too upset if that ended up being an R thing | |
| [08:07] <seb128> bryceh, "-1" ... can I get a --verbose? | |
| [08:07] <seb128> bryceh, or did you typo "+1"? ;-) | |
| [08:07] <didrocks> Laney: seb128: vlc is still bold on my system | |
| [08:08] <didrocks> even with the patched font and patched Qt | |
| [08:08] <seb128> :-( | |
| [08:08] <didrocks> oh dist-upgrade hold a Qt package | |
| [08:08] <didrocks> let's try getting this one :) | |
| [08:08] <didrocks> (upgrade gave a bunch of Qt packages, but one) | |
| [08:09] <didrocks> ah better \o/ | |
| [08:09] <didrocks> let me try to downgrade the font now to quantal version | |
| [08:09] <Laney> maybe confirm with sladen | |
| [08:10] <didrocks> ok, so no difference with old and new font package | |
| [08:10] <didrocks> so we can put it in | |
| [08:10] <didrocks> get medium font size | |
| [08:10] <didrocks> but I would put it into -proposed so that it's copied at the same time than qt | |
| [08:10] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/webkit/+build/3858769 :( | |
| [08:11] <bryceh> seb128, no typo. -1 to eliminating fallback. | |
| [08:11] <seb128> bryceh, oh, that's not the suggestion, I'm just saying that the code we build over is going away, no our choice and nothing we can do about it | |
| [08:12] <bryceh> seb128, regardless, -1 to that. | |
| [08:12] <seb128> bryceh, GNOME consider it legacy code and want to drop it to focus on gnome-shell | |
| [08:12] <seb128> bryceh, ok, fair enough, we can discuss it at UDS, if you have better suggestions on what we should do with e.g the keyboard indicator if the code we patch goes away | |
| [08:13] <bryceh> seb128, understood. And fair enough; their choice. But I will consider it a Bad Idea. | |
| [08:13] <seb128> well, it's just that we have to deal with it, if the code is going away either we loose the function or we figure the best way to bring it back | |
| [08:14] <bryceh> seb128, yep. f*ck*ng gnome. | |
| [08:15] <bryceh> seb128, btw s/loose/lose/. | |
| [08:15] <seb128> bryceh, thanks ;-) | |
| [08:16] <bryceh> I suppose no one will actually care until we get to 14.04. | |
| [08:25] <mlankhorst> ricotz: why is cairo in xorg-edgers? | |
| [08:31] <ricotz> mlankhorst, is is pretty much rendering related like pixman and fits in there | |
| [08:32] <mlankhorst> ricotz: oh was wondering since it might be useful to backport in that case | |
| [08:32] <seb128> I'm out for some hours, will we back in the afternoon | |
| [08:32] <ricotz> mlankhorst, then you should consider cairo and pixman | |
| [08:33] <bryceh> seb128, *waves* | |
| [08:34] <bryceh> mlankhorst, there is a small bit of cairo that sometimes overlaps with X and ends up being a dependency for the X stack. I'm guessing that's to blame here. | |
| [08:34] <bryceh> this = the 2d cairo vector drawing "driver" that's contained in cairo | |
| [08:35] <ricotz> weston in its earlier stage was a reason to have it too (not really anymore since cairo-gl isnt mandatory anymore) | |
| [08:37] * ricotz wonders if cairo master is getting in a snapshot state already | |
| [08:37] <ricotz> snapshot *worth* state | |
| [08:52] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone | |
| [08:53] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! how are you? | |
| [08:53] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, not too bad thanks, although i'm getting a cold now | |
| [08:53] <chrisccoulson> how are you? | |
| [08:54] <didrocks> a little bit better, still coughing, but at least, I can start to be hopeful to be in shape next week :) | |
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| [11:10] <tjaalton> didrocks: hum, looks like there was a clash with the xterm m-a foreign bug | |
| [11:10] <tjaalton> we'll see which uploads end up in the archive | |
| [11:10] <didrocks> tjaalton: ah? ok, yeah, let's see :) | |
| [11:11] <tjaalton> I assigned it to myself 4min before your comment :) | |
| [11:11] <Laney> the one without the random whitespace change :-) | |
| [11:12] <tjaalton> I pushed it to git too | |
| [11:12] <tjaalton> both debian & ubuntu | |
| [11:12] <didrocks> tjaalton: ah excellent! | |
| [11:12] <mlankhorst> bryceh: ah good to know :) (missed it earlier) | |
| [11:12] <tjaalton> so it's there in any case | |
| [11:12] <Laney> dunno which one I just accepted | |
| [11:12] <Laney> guess you'll get mail :P | |
| [11:12] <didrocks> tjaalton: that's the important one :) | |
| [11:13] <tjaalton> I lost :/ :) | |
| [11:13] <didrocks> \o/ | |
| [11:13] * didrocks hugs tjaalton | |
| [11:13] <tjaalton> hehe | |
| [11:13] <didrocks> /msg Laney: I'll pay you back at UDS, as we talked about :) | |
| [11:13] <didrocks> oups ;) | |
| [11:14] <Laney> the secret's out | |
| [11:14] * Laney screams and runs away | |
| [11:14] <didrocks> zomg! | |
| [11:14] <didrocks> :) | |
| [11:14] <tjaalton> :) | |
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| [12:59] <didrocks> pitti: \o/ | |
| [12:59] <pitti> didrocks: BBT? already watched it? | |
| [13:00] <pitti> I just did over lunch | |
| [13:00] <didrocks> pitti: not yet ;) | |
| [13:00] <didrocks> but I know what I'll do this evening :) | |
| [13:00] * pitti hugs didrocks | |
| [13:00] * didrocks hugs pitti back | |
| [13:10] <Trevinho> desrt: hey, found anything about the gsettings trouble on saving too many things on startup (breaking some migration scripts)? | |
| [13:11] <desrt> Trevinho: i think the problem was gnome-session lacking ordering, no? | |
| [13:11] <desrt> ie: migration should be moved to before gnome-session | |
| [13:11] <Trevinho> didrocks: ^ | |
| [13:12] <didrocks> desrt: well, not really possible as we need the env? | |
| [13:12] <desrt> what env? | |
| [13:12] <didrocks> desrt: gnome-session launch the migration script sync | |
| [13:12] <didrocks> what is the issue with it? | |
| [13:13] <desrt> didrocks: someone (ted?) discovered that that doesn't really work | |
| [13:13] <desrt> that there is no 'wait until this is done' | |
| [13:13] <desrt> and it actually ends up running everything at once | |
| [13:13] <desrt> you should put migration in /etc/x11/xsession.d/ or whatever | |
| [13:14] <didrocks> desrt: interesting | |
| [13:14] <didrocks> it's a synced called though, let's see what tedg can come up with :) | |
| [13:15] <didrocks> Trevinho: anyway, too late for Q | |
| [13:23] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok.. | |
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| [14:02] <seb128> back | |
| [14:03] <ogra_> front | |
| [14:05] <seb128> right | |
| [14:05] <ogra_> left | |
| [14:05] <ogra_> :) | |
| [14:06] <kenvandine> forward | |
| [14:08] <mdeslaur> you desktop folks are weird :P | |
| [14:08] <kenvandine> mdeslaur, why yes... yes we are | |
| [14:08] <kenvandine> :-D | |
| [14:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, come on, it's friday, it has been a long week! | |
| [14:15] <mdeslaur> :) | |
| [14:29] <seb128> desrt, hey | |
| [14:29] <desrt> seb128: hey | |
| [14:29] <seb128> desrt, sudo apt-get install libpam-xdg-support | |
| [14:29] <desrt> ooo | |
| [14:29] <seb128> desrt, should give you XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | |
| [14:29] <seb128> if you want to test | |
| [14:29] <desrt> that's some welcome good news :) | |
| [14:30] <desrt> vorlon to thank, i suppose? | |
| [14:30] <seb128> desrt, and FFE got granted to have it installed by default | |
| [14:30] <seb128> desrt, yes | |
| [14:30] <desrt> good man :) | |
| [14:30] <desrt> i'll have to beerify him at UDS | |
| [14:30] <desrt> lemme logout/in to see if it's working | |
| [14:32] <desrt> desrt@moonpix:~$ echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | |
| [14:32] <desrt> /run/user/desrt | |
| [14:33] <desrt> oldschool | |
| [14:34] <seb128> desrt, what are the new cool kids doing? ;-) | |
| [14:34] <desrt> /run/user/1000/ | |
| [14:34] <seb128> open a bug I guess ;-) | |
| [14:34] <desrt> it really doesn't matter | |
| [14:34] <desrt> the spec leaves the name/location of the directory as a choice of the implementation | |
| [14:35] <seb128> so it works, but breaks in a guest session | |
| [14:35] <desrt> why? | |
| [14:35] <seb128> I guess the apparmor profile needs updating to give access to the /run/user/$user | |
| [14:35] <seb128> dconf-editor complains about permissions | |
| [14:35] <desrt> fucking apparmor.... | |
| [14:35] * desrt mumble mumble | |
| [14:35] <seb128> hehe | |
| [14:36] <desrt> first thing i uninstall | |
| [14:36] <desrt> followed shortly by apport :) | |
| [14:36] <seb128> let's not restart that discussion today ;-) | |
| [14:36] <seb128> I know it's friday but still :p | |
| [14:36] <desrt> that discussion was actually really productive last time, i think | |
| [14:36] <desrt> and we continued it a bit at plumbers | |
| [14:36] <seb128> it seemed to be, I admit I didn't read the whole backlog though | |
| [14:36] <seb128> great ;-) | |
| [14:37] <desrt> anyway | |
| [14:37] <desrt> please let me know if you're seeing anymore SIGBUS from dconf on ecryptfs | |
| [14:37] <desrt> assuming the new package is installed | |
| [14:37] <desrt> is there any way we get that information from apport bugs? | |
| [14:38] <desrt> i guess we would see the environment of the running process? | |
| [14:38] <desrt> i _think_ there is still a situation where that bug can come up | |
| [14:39] <desrt> but it should be a really really thin race now -- and i already have a plan for fixing it | |
| [14:39] <seb128> desrt, we don't have the full environment, apport only collect some selection variables I think | |
| [14:39] <desrt> seb128: any way we can get XDG_RUNTIME_DIR onto that list? | |
| [14:39] <seb128> will let you know if it keeps being an issue | |
| [14:39] <seb128> desrt, poke pitti I guess ;-) | |
| [14:39] <desrt> pitti: poke :) | |
| [14:39] <seb128> I mean open a bug on apport :p | |
| [14:39] <seb128> (I guess pitti tell you to do that) | |
| [14:39] <desrt> hm | |
| [14:40] <desrt> pitti just made a very nice blogpost | |
| [14:40] <pitti> back from meeting, what's up/ | |
| [14:40] <pitti> ? | |
| [14:40] <pitti> hey desrt | |
| [14:41] <seb128> desrt, dbusmock you mean? | |
| [14:41] <desrt> pitti: hey. can we get XDG_RUNTIME_DIRS on the list of envvars that apport puts in reports? | |
| [14:41] <desrt> seb128: ya. looks nice :) | |
| [14:41] <seb128> pitti, keep the good work, loving to read your progresses in testing land ;-) | |
| [14:41] <pitti> desrt: we need to be a bit careful about not exposing potentially private stuff there | |
| [14:41] <pitti> seb128: :) | |
| [14:41] <desrt> pitti: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is the name of a directory in /run | |
| [14:41] <pitti> desrt: but I guess XDG_RUNTIME_DIRS should be okay | |
| [14:42] <desrt> the only potential privacy leak is their username :) | |
| [14:42] <pitti> desrt: stuff like user names, project names, etc. | |
| [14:42] <desrt> username is seriously a problem? | |
| [14:42] <pitti> right, but we coudl ask the anonymizer to change it | |
| [14:42] <desrt> well | |
| [14:42] <pitti> yes, I had people complain about it loudly | |
| [14:42] <desrt> i'm mostly interested in knowing if it is set or not | |
| [14:42] <pitti> desrt: but do you really need to know the actual value? | |
| [14:42] <pitti> right, that's what I figured | |
| [14:42] <pitti> a simple "is set or not" has no privacy problems at all, and is easy to do | |
| [14:43] <desrt> do you need a bug? | |
| [14:43] <pitti> if you want one to track it | |
| [14:43] <desrt> i don't really care | |
| [14:43] <desrt> i will only care the next time we see a new report of dconf SIGBUS issues | |
| [14:43] <desrt> and i want to know if it 'should' have been fixed yet or not | |
| [14:44] <desrt> seb128: btw... about all those bugs before... anything that's having a SIGBUS on accessing anything about 'shm' is now officially fixed | |
| [14:44] <pitti> desrt: so is it _DIR or _DIRS? | |
| [14:44] <desrt> pitti: _DIR | |
| [14:44] <desrt> echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR -> /run/user/desrt | |
| [14:45] <desrt> seb128: the shm part is the one that is now in the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR | |
| [14:45] <desrt> interesting to note that already gnome-keyring and gvfs have put files there as well... | |
| [14:45] <pitti> desrt: testing http://paste.ubuntu.com/1247632/ now | |
| [14:46] <desrt> pitti: would be great to know as well if it is unset | |
| [14:46] <pitti> then the line wouldn't be there | |
| [14:46] <desrt> ie: tell the difference of "it is not set" and "apport is too old" | |
| [14:46] <seb128> desrt, ok | |
| [14:46] <pitti> desrt: you could tell from the ApportVersion: field | |
| [14:46] <desrt> pitti: perfect | |
| [14:49] <pitti> desrt: committed to trunk | |
| [14:49] <desrt> pitti: great. i guess it will see a release by Q? | |
| [14:49] <pitti> c'est ça, bon week-end tout le monde! | |
| [14:49] <pitti> desrt: oui, Monsieur | |
| [14:50] <desrt> pitti: bonan semajnfino | |
| [14:50] <desrt> +n | |
| [14:51] <pitti> c'est l'heure de tennis de table et pour du glace! | |
| [14:51] <desrt> glace! | |
| [14:51] <pitti> yeah, enjoying the last sun rays :) | |
| [14:51] <seb128> pitti, bon weekend ! | |
| [14:52] <seb128> pitti, bonne partie et bonne glace ;-) | |
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| [15:55] <seb128> Laney, hey | |
| [15:55] <Laney> ho | |
| [15:55] <seb128> Laney, if you want to do the backport and now what to do feel free to go for it | |
| [15:55] <seb128> but if you prefer me to have a look that's fine | |
| [15:55] <Laney> well I don't know what to do, but I see the MP | |
| [15:55] <Laney> if it's more than taking that as a distro patch ... | |
| [15:58] <seb128> Laney, yeah, it's basically backporting that revision, the packaging changes are already in lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-shopping | |
| [15:58] <seb128> Laney, you can do it? | |
| [15:58] <Laney> sure | |
| [16:00] <seb128> Laney, mhr3 says you need r21 if you want it to apply cleanly, we can probably backport both | |
| [16:00] <seb128> the other one was a FFe as well so would be good to have it landing,tested as well | |
| [16:02] <Laney> seb128: isn't that one that got nacked by scottk? | |
| [16:02] <Laney> mhr3: ^ ? | |
| [16:03] <seb128> Laney, no, that's r23 which got reverted in r24 | |
| [16:03] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-lens-shopping/trunk | |
| [16:03] <seb128> bah | |
| [16:03] <seb128> 24,25 I meant there | |
| [16:03] <mhr3> Laney, what seb128 said | |
| [16:03] <Laney> oh, no, that's a good link | |
| [16:03] <Laney> it takes me to the bugs | |
| [16:04] <Laney> nope, I still don't see it being approved | |
| [16:04] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1055684 | |
| [16:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1055684 in unity-lens-shopping "[FFE] Use music lens details page for music store results" [High,In progress] | |
| [16:04] <Laney> ScottK and stgraber collided but I don't see an approval yet | |
| [16:05] <mhr3> oh, i thought it's already ack | |
| [16:05] <mhr3> ed | |
| [16:05] <mhr3> so... yey for conflicts? | |
| [16:06] <stgraber> Laney: current status is a nack in current form, maybe Kate will +1 or we'll just go with the disabling previews option | |
| [16:07] <mhr3> seb128, Laney, actually you can merge it from my branch, i was based on 6.0.0 tag | |
| [16:07] <mhr3> so the merge with trunk is last rev | |
| [16:07] <mhr3> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/unity-lens-shopping/secure-connection | |
| [16:07] <mhr3> stgraber, previews aren't disablable | |
| [16:08] <mhr3> i mean... can't be disabled :) | |
| [16:09] <stgraber> mhr3: surely you must have a "No preview available" or similar string that you could show | |
| [16:11] <mhr3> stgraber, but we can't lie to the users, the server does send the preview | |
| [16:16] <mterry> pitti, do you know why update-manager and ubuntu-release-upgrader have been failing on amd64 jenkins jobs due to dependency installation failure? Log isn't very clear. https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-update-manager/61/ARCH=amd64,label=albali/artifact/results/log | |
| [16:45] <popey> seb128, mhr3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping/+bug/1055684 updated | |
| [16:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1055684 in unity-lens-shopping "[FFE] Use music lens details page for music store results" [High,In progress] | |
| [16:47] <Laney> shopping uploaded for SSL | |
| [16:48] <didrocks> Laney: you updated lp:ubuntu/unity-lens-shopping isn't it? | |
| [16:48] <Laney> will push when it's accepted | |
| [16:48] * Laney has a fear of pushing tags which then turn out to be wrong | |
| [16:48] <didrocks> Laney: just to ensure, you bzr merge? :) | |
| [16:49] <Laney> bzr merge -r<revision> <branch> | |
| [16:49] <Laney> is that right? | |
| [16:49] <Laney> the debdiff looked good to me | |
| [16:49] <didrocks> Laney: -rrevstart..revend :) | |
| [16:49] <didrocks> Laney: as long as you are sure you didn't pick my change | |
| [16:50] <didrocks> (I think it was just merge some minutes after it) | |
| [16:50] <didrocks> so should be fine :) | |
| [16:50] <didrocks> because you know the famous story of gsettings and schemas not there :) | |
| [16:52] <chrisccoulson> sigh :( | |
| [16:53] <chrisccoulson> 2 bugs identical to bug 1058209 since the webapps addons were seeded | |
| [16:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058209 in firefox "firefox re-installs Add-ons every couple of starts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1058209 | |
| [17:04] * didrocks waves good evening | |
| [17:04] <didrocks> and good week-end! | |
| [17:21] <Laney> have a nice weekend everyone! | |
| [17:21] <Laney> enjoy your secure dash shopping experience :-) | |
| [17:25] <popey> :) | |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | |
| [18:04] <desrt> seb128: is it possible to disable the accounts-crap integration with empathy? | |
| [18:04] <seb128> desrt, you are always having nice words right? ;-) | |
| [18:04] <desrt> i prefer the ability to actually use jabber... | |
| [18:04] <seb128> desrt, dunno, ask kenvandine | |
| [18:05] <desrt> kenvandine: poke? | |
| [18:05] <seb128> desrt, uoa fail to configure your jabber account? | |
| [18:05] <desrt> yes | |
| [18:05] <desrt> i click done. nothing happens (at all) | |
| [18:05] <xnox> and fail to migrate them as well. | |
| [18:05] <seb128> desrt, I would rather to see that fixed that worked around | |
| [18:05] <desrt> the button clicks in, then it clicks out | |
| [18:05] <seb128> desrt, do you have account-plugin-jabber installed? | |
| [18:05] <desrt> i can click it again if i like... | |
| [18:05] <seb128> xnox, bug number? | |
| [18:05] <desrt> yes | |
| [18:05] <desrt> it's on the list as well | |
| [18:05] <desrt> but it doesn't work | |
| [18:05] <seb128> :-( | |
| [18:06] <desrt> i'd like to get the normal epiphany accounts dialog | |
| [18:06] <desrt> i'm sure that would work properly | |
| [18:06] <xnox> seb128: does my housemate swearing at me counts as a bug number? | |
| [18:06] * desrt is about to start swearing as well | |
| [18:06] <seb128> xnox, not very helpful for tracking and getting resolved | |
| [18:06] <seb128> desrt, empathy you mean? isn't empathy-accounts still there? | |
| [18:07] <desrt> ahah! | |
| [18:07] <jbicha> xnox: get your housemate to file a bug report ;) | |
| [18:07] <desrt> seb128: thanks :) | |
| [18:07] <seb128> desrt, yw | |
| [18:07] <seb128> desrt, please talk to amigadave on monday if you can | |
| [18:07] <seb128> desrt, that uoa bug should be fixed | |
| [18:07] <desrt> sigh. | |
| [18:07] <desrt> the normal dialog is working | |
| [18:07] <seb128> :-( | |
| [18:08] <desrt> but it immediately forgets my password | |
| [18:08] <seb128> xdg-runtime-dir fallout? | |
| [18:08] <desrt> no doubt due to the uoa cancer | |
| [18:08] <seb128> can you try without the runtime dir in case? | |
| [18:08] <desrt> i get really annoyed when people butcher gnome packages non-conditionally | |
| [18:08] <seb128> you are speaking without knowing at this point | |
| [18:08] <seb128> it could be the runtime stuff as well | |
| [18:09] <seb128> empathy-account is not patched afaik | |
| [18:09] * desrt removes xdg, logout/in | |
| [18:09] <seb128> it could be an upstream bug for what we know | |
| [18:09] <desrt> empathy-accounts is fine | |
| [18:09] <desrt> it's empathy that's the problem | |
| [18:09] <seb128> you said it forgets your password | |
| [18:11] <jbicha> desrt: I think we'll drop gnome-online-accounts from the Remix if ubuntu-online-accounts can handle Contacts, Documents, & Evolution next cycle | |
| [18:11] <desrt> seb128: problem is not related to the xdg runtime stuff | |
| [18:11] <desrt> but logging out and back in again seems to make it work | |
| [18:12] <jbicha> seeing as how Empathy hard-depends on u-o-a any way | |
| [18:12] <desrt> the uoa dialog is still stuck, though | |
| [18:12] <seb128> desrt, hum, k | |
| [18:12] <desrt> but at least configuring via the empathy-accounts dialog is working | |
| [18:12] <seb128> desrt, you would need to talk to David but I think he's eod(w) | |
| [18:13] <seb128> desrt, can you do that next week? | |
| [18:13] <desrt> sure | |
| [18:13] <seb128> thanks | |
| [18:13] <desrt> meanwhile we should probably fix the empathy package to emable the uoa stuff only under unity... | |
| [18:13] <desrt> *enable | |
| [18:14] <desrt> running empathy-accounts from the commandline isn't exactly discoverable... | |
| [18:15] <desrt> also seems a bit twisted that empathy now has a qt dependency.... | |
| [18:15] <seb128> we need to discuss how to make the GNOME remix more vanilla at UDS | |
| [18:15] <seb128> shame that jbicha will not be there | |
| [18:15] <seb128> jbicha, you will not be there right? | |
| [18:15] <desrt> seb128: jbicha is all-american | |
| [18:15] <seb128> (just checking if I got a wrong info) | |
| [18:15] <desrt> all america, all the time :) | |
| [18:16] <seb128> desrt, he said he was in Brussels' UDS IIRC | |
| [18:16] <seb128> well anyway | |
| [18:16] <seb128> no jbicha, no robert_ancell | |
| [18:16] <seb128> desrt, hope you will be there to defend GNOME interests :m | |
| [18:16] <seb128> :p | |
| [18:20] <desrt> i get so sick of all the patching.... | |
| [18:20] <jbicha> yeah, empathy depending on qt is annoying | |
| [18:20] <seb128> use ostree ;-) | |
| [18:20] <desrt> jbicha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/1058250 | |
| [18:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1058250 in empathy "conditionalise empathy u-o-a dependency" [Undecided,New] | |
| [18:21] <jbicha> lol | |
| [18:21] <seb128> but honestly I think over time we are getting close of distros really supporting one desktop with the increase hard depends on stack choices | |
| [18:21] <seb128> e.g "need gdm to lock your screen" | |
| [18:22] <desrt> ya. that's somewhat obnoxious, imho | |
| [18:22] <desrt> but from gnome's standpoint, lightdm was seen as a fork | |
| [18:22] <desrt> so blame all around, i guess? | |
| [18:22] <seb128> well it has nothing to do with lightdm | |
| [18:22] <seb128> what about kubuntu, they used kdm for years | |
| [18:22] <desrt> lightdm is the reason that ubuntu is still not using gdm | |
| [18:23] <desrt> and nobody expects to use a system with gnome and kdm... | |
| [18:23] <seb128> no, gdm is the reason why ubuntu is not using gdm anymore | |
| [18:23] <desrt> seb128: touché :) | |
| [18:23] <seb128> ;-) | |
| [18:23] <seb128> but well, lubuntu used lxce, kubuntu kdm, etc | |
| [18:23] <desrt> unfortunately this is one of those cases where the fork convinces the original maintainers to start paying attention again and make their product better | |
| [18:24] <desrt> so you end up with no clear winner | |
| [18:25] <seb128> well, the point remain | |
| [18:25] <desrt> ya. i agree | |
| [18:25] <seb128> desktops start depending on a specific login manager, init system, etc | |
| [18:25] <desrt> and it's not clear that gdm would have gotten better on its own | |
| [18:26] <desrt> maybe lightdm was necessary one way or the other... | |
| [18:26] <seb128> so the old "you can have <n> desktop and let users log into whichever they want" is sort of over | |
| [18:26] <desrt> seb128: ya. i agree with that. | |
| [18:26] <seb128> well to be fair I'm glad we have lightdm | |
| [18:26] <desrt> it's why i think we should stop trying to support (for example) parallel installable unity/gnome | |
| [18:26] <seb128> the other way would have been to patch gdm to no end to have an unity like look | |
| [18:26] <seb128> which would have pissed me off for the patch and you off as a GNOME user ;-) | |
| [18:27] <desrt> imho the unity greeter is not as smooth of an experience (to unity) as gdm is to gnome these days... | |
| [18:27] <desrt> it's too different | |
| [18:27] <seb128> I like it, I think it looks very nice | |
| [18:27] <desrt> it does look nice | |
| [18:27] <desrt> absolutely | |
| [18:27] <desrt> but it doesn't look like unity | |
| [18:27] <desrt> not even a little | |
| [18:27] <seb128> but yeah, it's not the same UI as the desktop | |
| [18:27] <desrt> well, i guess i already said that when i said "it looks nice" ;) | |
| [18:29] <seb128> ok, on that it's time for dinner and calling it a week | |
| [18:29] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone | |
| [18:29] <seb128> see you next week! | |
| [18:29] <desrt> seb128: see you monday | |
| [18:29] <desrt> jbicha: ready to cancel gnomebuntu? :) | |
| [18:30] <jbicha> I turn away from the computer for a minute and the conversation took a sharp detour... | |
| [18:31] <desrt> seb makes a good point... | |
| [18:32] <jbicha> which? | |
| [18:32] <desrt> 14:26 < seb128> so the old "you can have <n> desktop and let users log into whichever they want" is sort of over | |
| [18:33] <jbicha> how is it over? just because gnome-shell now hard-depends on gdm being installed? | |
| [18:34] <desrt> jbicha: plus the systemd dependencies, plus the accounts services, plus the control center, plus the settings daemon | |
| [18:35] <mterry> jbicha, you won't be at UDS? bummer | |
| [18:36] <jbicha> mterry: yeah, I wish I could go | |
| [18:38] <jbicha> maybe I should go to Boston, I didn't apply for sponsorship though | |
| [18:41] <desrt> pfft | |
| [18:41] <desrt> it's in the same country | |
| [18:41] <desrt> surely you can walk, right? | |
| [18:54] <jbicha> lol, you're almost twice as close as I am, but it's the hotel cost I'm more concerned with | |
| === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away | |
| [21:24] <chrisccoulson> ah, congratulations unity webapps for being the only thing doing main-thread sqlite in firefox now | |
| [21:24] <chrisccoulson> on every page load! | |
| [21:24] <chrisccoulson> grrrrrrrr | |
| [21:59] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i assume sqlite has slow blocking APIs? | |
| [21:59] <desrt> fsync() issues? | |
| [21:59] <chrisccoulson> desrt, that's why upstream have spent a significant amount of time removing it's use from the UI thread :) | |
| [21:59] <chrisccoulson> and then we add it straight back again.... | |