| [00:55] * h6w is thinking about moving some projects from an svn repos. | |
| [00:56] <h6w> I like github's interface, but I also like launchpad's bug management. | |
| [00:57] <h6w> Particularly, my two concerns with lp are (1) the ease of forking, and (2) getting a good visual of the current state of the branches. | |
| [00:58] <h6w> Is there anyone around who has experience with both? | |
| [00:58] <StevenK> The ease of forking? bzr branch lp:project ; <hack> ; bzr commit ; bzr push lp:~name/project/a-new-feature | |
| [00:58] <StevenK> You do not need a server side 'fork' button | |
| [01:00] <h6w> Well, normally I'd agree with you, but there's a psychological "You don't have to learn bzr to work on this project." which draws people in. | |
| [01:00] <StevenK> h6w: You know svn, you can treat bzr like it | |
| [01:02] <h6w> Yes, *I* know this, but many of the people who get interested in our code like coding but not version control. I want to treat these with kid gloves. | |
| [01:02] <dobey> nobody *likes* version control | |
| [01:02] <StevenK> h6w: It pretty much is like what I said, bzr branch lp:project, etc | |
| [01:02] <h6w> I have one person in particular who took code out of the repos, worked on it for a year, and then argued that he couldn't commit because the updates were too different. | |
| [01:03] <h6w> Yeah. Maybe I'm asking too much. | |
| [01:03] <dobey> h6w: no version control system is going to solve that problem for any active projects | |
| [01:03] <dobey> if you maintain a fork for a year that isn't up to date with trunk; you're going to have problems regardless of the vcs | |
| [01:04] <h6w> Well, at least with github I can say "Here's your own fork, trash it, and I'll sort out the differences in a separate fork before merging back in. | |
| [01:04] <dobey> and you can do that on lp | |
| [01:04] <h6w> True, but not as easy visually. | |
| [01:05] <h6w> I get diff counts and analysis all through the web UI for free. Can I do that with bzr? | |
| [01:06] <StevenK> h6w: Launchpad does 'Merge proposals' rather than pull requests. Here is an example https://code.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/no-more-add-bug-supervisor/+merge/119818 | |
| [01:06] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 119818 in knetworkmanager (Ubuntu) "wpa does not work with networkmanager, WEP works" [Undecided,Invalid] | |
| [01:06] <dobey> github shoving pretty colors on top of 'diff' has nothing to do with bzr or git | |
| [01:06] <dobey> and i have no idea what you mean by 'analysis' | |
| [01:07] <lifeless> h6w: show us something you're missing on LP on github, we'll see if there is a place on LP you missed it. | |
| [01:07] <h6w> By analysis, I mean merge proposals that follow the changes. | |
| [01:07] <h6w> Sorry, I've just been working on a project on github temporarily. Now I feel spoilt, even if it's just pretty colors and layout. | |
| [01:08] <dobey> as you see on the link StevenK posted, merge proposals have colored diffs, yes | |
| [01:08] <dobey> and they update when the branch being prooposed changes | |
| [01:12] <h6w> Awesome. That must be a new feature. (I haven't looked at this seriously in a couple of years.) | |
| [01:12] <h6w> Also, this looks like what I'm suggesting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/408097 | |
| [01:12] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 408097 in Launchpad itself "Making a new branch of an existing project on Launchpad is not obvious, requires having bzr installed and copying (some) branch data around" [Low,Triaged] | |
| [01:13] <wgrant> h6w: Merge proposals have had those features for about 4 years, actually. | |
| [01:14] <h6w> Is there a bug for "Branch information could be more dynamic and include user information on contributions" like github's little branch tree? | |
| [01:15] <dobey> branch info dose include user info | |
| [01:15] <dobey> does | |
| [01:16] <h6w> Hmmm, ok. I'm going to have to give this a proper play. At present it looks like a statically-generated image with little actual information (when compared against github's interface). | |
| [01:16] <dobey> oh you mean the silly little line graph thing? | |
| [01:18] <h6w> Yes. Very silly but gives me a nice overall view, and allows me to go back years to see when someone looked at various things, contributions (which I know is quite mythical), and other stuff. | |
| [01:18] <h6w> Currently, for example, I'm trying to argue to a non-coding manager that we shouldn't pander to someone who hasn't commit in almost a year. | |
| [01:19] <dobey> launchpad doesn't have such a thing on each branch | |
| [01:19] <dobey> the one on launchpad just shows milestones and series branchse | |
| [01:19] <dobey> branches | |
| [01:19] <h6w> Yeah. What would that be called? (So I can search for it in lp bugs) | |
| [01:19] <dobey> for each branch, you can however, go through the entire history on the web if you want in the code browser | |
| [01:20] <dobey> i don't know. scrolling horizontally in a tiny little area on a web page is like the most useless thing ever, really :) | |
| [01:20] <dobey> but there are local tools you can run inside a branch to get a huge pretty graph if you really want one, and the code browser on launchpad works pretty well, and lets you see diffs and such | |
| [01:21] <h6w> Personal preference. I actually found myself looking at it on a daily basis since there were a dozen or so people actively working on the project in a single day, I could look at their changes easily and determine if I wanted to merge what they'd done recently. | |
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| [03:12] <rmk> How deep is the build backlog? Have a paid account and we're at 5 hours right now. | |
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| [06:07] <czajkowski> rmk: can you let me know which project please | |
| [06:07] <rmk> metacloud | |
| [06:08] <czajkowski> and which ppa ? | |
| [06:08] <rmk> Both stable and devel | |
| [06:09] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/devel and https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/stable | |
| [06:09] <rmk> correct | |
| [06:09] <czajkowski> ok let me see if I can do something | |
| [06:09] <rmk> great thank you | |
| [06:09] <czajkowski> np | |
| [06:10] <czajkowski> sorry am just awake | |
| [06:11] <czajkowski> rmk: we're just looking into it, asyou can see from our topic our builds are delayed due to a move which hapened yesterday | |
| [06:11] <czajkowski> sorry for the inconvience. | |
| [06:11] <czajkowski> we did put this on the blog - blog.launchpad.net | |
| [06:11] <czajkowski> and also on twitter and indent.ica under launchpadstatus | |
| [06:12] <wgrant> It's taking a little longer than expected :( | |
| [06:13] <wgrant> But let me get you some builders... | |
| === czajkowski changed the topic of #launchpad to: Build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: czajkowski| Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | |
| [06:14] <rmk> no problem, definitely understand | |
| [06:14] <rmk> while I've got you guys, I've always been curious what makes publishing take ~15-20 minutes at times? | |
| [06:15] <StevenK> If a large package is uploaded to a PPA or a large number of PPAs changed, usually | |
| [06:16] <StevenK> Sometimes the machine is just bogged down with an awful lot of requests | |
| [06:16] <wgrant> rmk: Sometimes the publishing machinery gets a bit overloaded when there's a lot of packages flying around. We're moving it to a new much bigger machine tomorrow (as part of this series of DC moves), which will hopefully bring it back to every 5 minutes consistently | |
| [06:16] <rmk> awesome | |
| [06:17] <wgrant> Or at least better than it is now :) | |
| [06:17] <rmk> It wasn't too bad but faster is always better | |
| [06:17] <wgrant> Definitely. | |
| [06:19] <rmk> Would you guys mind making another PPA private for us, https://launchpad.net/~metacloud/+archive/staging | |
| [06:20] <wgrant> rmk: Done | |
| [06:20] <rmk> thanks much | |
| [06:21] <czajkowski> rmk: need anything else? | |
| [06:21] <rmk> Can I have a pony? | |
| [06:21] <rmk> :) | |
| [06:21] <czajkowski> only if I can have sleep and that's justnot going to happen any time soon! | |
| [06:21] <rmk> haha, yeah, datacenter moves are always painful | |
| [06:22] <rmk> ran a large systems team for a massive ecomm site for years and we were pretty much always in the middle of a move, I don't envy you guys | |
| [06:22] <wgrant> rmk: I've shifted your devel/stable builds up to next in line | |
| [06:22] <rmk> cheers | |
| [07:58] <codemaniac> where i can reset my launchpad password | |
| [07:58] <codemaniac> any holy man for help ? | |
| [07:59] <czajkowski> codemaniac: https://login.launchpad.net/+forgot_password | |
| [08:00] <codemaniac> czajkowski: thanks | |
| [08:00] <czajkowski> np | |
| [08:00] <codemaniac> but have one issue i have multiple emails there | |
| [08:00] <codemaniac> so cannot confirm theprimary one | |
| [08:01] <codemaniac> can you do an backend update ? | |
| [08:01] <codemaniac> or send reset mail to my email | |
| [08:01] <czajkowski> codemaniac: you'll need to work out which one as we cant go changing peoples settings on them | |
| [08:02] <codemaniac> i understand czajkowski | |
| [08:02] <codemaniac> thanks anyway | |
| [08:02] <codemaniac> got in thanks , with a random guess | |
| [08:51] <pmjdebruijn> hi folks | |
| [08:51] <pmjdebruijn> is there anything going on the the PPAs? | |
| [08:51] <pmjdebruijn> I've got builds queued to the 22th... | |
| [08:51] <pmjdebruijn> https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/darktable-unstable/+build/3728321 | |
| [08:52] <pmjdebruijn> while it's no disaster... it's found it a bit peculiar | |
| [08:52] <pmjdebruijn> it says 21th now :s | |
| [08:58] <MCR1> pmjdebruijn: I think there is some scheduled downtime | |
| [08:58] <pmjdebruijn> ah | |
| [08:58] <pmjdebruijn> oh | |
| [08:58] <pmjdebruijn> "Build delays due to hardware move" | |
| [08:58] <pmjdebruijn> it was in the topic | |
| [08:58] <pmjdebruijn> shame on me | |
| [08:59] <MCR1> pmjdebruijn: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-code-hosting-unavailable-22-00-utc-2012-08-17 | |
| [08:59] <pmjdebruijn> yeah | |
| [08:59] <pmjdebruijn> thanks | |
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| [10:02] <wgrant> Launchpad's about to go offline for a couple of minutes while we switch to a new DB master. | |
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| [11:00] <silverarrow> hi | |
| [11:01] <silverarrow> how is the best way to go about a bug report on gnome player in lubuntu | |
| [11:01] <silverarrow> I have a problem with gnome mplayer, and it is the same on at l east three different computers | |
| [11:02] <silverarrow> when I play anything the windows can go black if I try to resize window, or have full screen view | |
| [11:02] <silverarrow> it is a lubuntu or perhaps debian issue | |
| [11:03] <silverarrow> I a have had the same setup in puppy linux with gnome player and it works fine and is very stable | |
| [11:03] <silverarrow> there is a lubunt channel but they are not very good with bug reports there | |
| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable from 22:00UTC | Build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | |
| === wgrant changed the topic of #launchpad to: Codehosting & PPA uploads unavailable 22:00-02:00 UTC, build delays due to hardware move | Help contact: - | Launchpad is an open source project: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | This channel is logged: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | User Guide: https://help.launchpad.net/ | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | |
| [12:09] <danilos> fwiw, it seems build delays have started yesterday already, I expected them to start happening tonight instead :/ | |
| [12:12] <wgrant> danilos: http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/launchpad-downtime-august-16th | |
| [12:12] <wgrant> During this time there will be significantly reduced capacity in the PPA build farm. Interruption starts: 07.00 UTC 16th August 2012 | |
| [12:16] <danilos> wgrant, ah, thanks | |
| [12:16] <danilos> I've only seen the next blog entry, ta | |
| [13:35] * apw doesn't seem to be able to file a simple bug against cloud-init today: OOPS-5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 | |
| [13:35] <ubot5> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=5095067de5536d061b6e5677ec1b0278 | |
| [13:40] <mgz> ...why is that on lp-oops | |
| [13:41] <wgrant> 'cause ubotu's out of date | |
| [13:41] <mgz> but doesn't actually seem to be found on either oops or lp-oops | |
| [13:41] <wgrant> mgz: We probably still have a huge queue from the DB switchover | |
| [13:41] <wgrant> apw: How many times have you retried? | |
| [13:41] <wgrant> We're on a new DB server that has never been a DB server before, so you may be suffering from cold cache | |
| [13:41] <mgz> apw: sorry, you'll have to wait to find out, what method did you use to file? | |
| [13:42] <wgrant> (also, this weekend nothing involving the datacentres is exactly 'simple' :P) | |
| [13:42] <mgz> but you've looked like you're having such fun... | |
| [13:42] <apw> wgrant, about 10 times over two minues | |
| [13:43] <wgrant> Hmm | |
| [13:43] <wgrant> apw: Is this during the dupe search stage, or the actual submission? | |
| [13:43] <apw> wgrant, after i've typed the title and description, so i assume dup search? | |
| [13:43] <wgrant> apw: The description is after dup search | |
| [13:44] <apw> wgrant, shows how much i read :/ | |
| [13:44] <wgrant> Heh | |
| [13:58] <wgrant> apw: Any better now? There was a DB load issue for 15-20 minutes around the time you asked. | |
| [13:59] <apw> wgrant, worked that time, thanks | |
| [14:01] <wgrant> apw: Great. | |
| [14:25] <ScottK> It would be cool if Launchpad got itself listed in http://tos-dr.info/ and then linked to it in the TOS. | |
| [14:32] <dobey> ugh, was the /builders page view crashing issue not fixed yet? | |
| [14:36] <silverarrow> anyone clerver with bug launching from ubuntu? | |
| [14:36] <silverarrow> clever* | |
| [14:36] <dobey> bug launching? | |
| [14:36] <silverarrow> sorry bug report | |
| [14:36] <silverarrow> lol | |
| [14:37] <dobey> run "ubuntu-bug package-name" ? | |
| [14:40] <silverarrow> thanks dobey | |
| [14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> Hey, guys! We're having the Ubuntu Developer Week in about two weeks, and I'd like to know who may be willing to help us with a 1-hour session at 1800UTC on August 29 about hosting code in LP with Bazaar, and automated builds, recipes, and all that stuff. | |
| [14:45] <ScottK> https://launchpad.net/builders is a private page now? | |
| [14:45] <dobey> ScottK: there's apparently an issue when one of the builders is building a private package it causes the /builders view to crash | |
| [14:46] <wgrant> Specifically, building a private build of a public source in a private PPA owned by a private team that you cannot see | |
| [14:46] <ScottK> Lovely. | |
| [14:49] <dobey> but yeah, i guess that wasn't fixed :-/ | |
| [15:15] <JoseeAntonioR> If any of you is interested, and can't find me on IRC, you can send an email to joseeantonior AT ubuntu DOT com | |
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| [20:10] <ahasenack> hi guys, launchpad is giving me an oops when I try to view a merge proposal | |
| [20:10] <ahasenack> OOPS-1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 | |
| [20:10] <ubot5> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1825e1c0b0bfc3ba6382c997678977e2 | |
| [20:10] <ahasenack> I viewed it quite a few times already today, but now it's oopsing | |
| [20:11] <ahasenack> is this about the DC move? | |
| [20:12] <ahasenack> all the merge proposals from this project are failing like that it seems, I just tried a few other random ones | |
| [20:13] <ahasenack> all merge proposals listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/landscape-project/+activereviews | |
| [20:13] <beuno> ahasenack, already being chased | |
| [20:14] <ahasenack> beuno: thanks. This channel is silent, so I wasn't sure | |
| [20:15] <beuno> ahasenack, being chased in the internal channel :) | |
| [20:20] <dobey> well, as code hosting is scheduled to go down in ~1.5 hrs anyway, not sure how far you'll get in fixing that :) | |
| [20:40] <ESphynx> Hmmm what does hide comment do | |
| [20:40] <ESphynx> I’ve lost it | |
| [20:41] <dobey> it hides the comment | |
| [20:41] <dobey> you can only see it on comments which you're allowed to hide | |
| [20:43] <ahasenack> beuno: it's back up, thanks | |
| [20:43] <ESphynx> dobey: any way I can ‘unhide’ it? | |
| [20:43] <ESphynx> ( I clicked by mistake ) | |
| [20:44] <dobey> ESphynx: there should be an un-hide link on the comment you hid | |
| [20:44] <ESphynx> I don’t see it at all anymore :S | |
| [20:45] <dobey> the comment either? | |
| [20:45] <ESphynx> nope | |
| [20:45] <dobey> are you not logged in any more? | |
| [20:45] <ESphynx> still logged in | |
| [20:45] <ESphynx> and going to the comment URL says you’ve lost somethign? | |
| [20:45] <dobey> what's the comment url? | |
| [20:45] <ESphynx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/394998/comments/3 | |
| [20:45] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 394998 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] ecere-sdk -- cross-platform developer toolkit" [Wishlist,In progress] | |
| [20:45] <ESphynx> This page does not exist, or you may not have permission to see it | |
| [20:46] <dobey> there | |
| [20:46] <ESphynx> thanks. what was it? | |
| [20:46] <dobey> it's unhidden | |
| [20:46] <dobey> i don't know why you couldn't see it | |
| [20:46] <ESphynx> why didn’t I have persmission? (i wrote the comment?) | |
| [20:46] <dobey> maybe a bug in lp | |
| [20:46] <dobey> or maybe a side effect of current transition of hardware stuffs | |
| [21:12] <ESphynx> ah yeah | |
| [23:31] <dash> I'm getting 'ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host' when trying to push to launchpad. is this service down currently? | |
| [23:32] <wgrant> dash: see /topic | |
| [23:32] <dash> oh, looks like it :) http://identi.ca/notice/96123490 | |
| [23:32] <wgrant> we're moving it to another DC now | |
| [23:32] <dash> wgrant: Good luck. Hope it goes well :) | |
| [23:32] <apw> wgrant, i assume the lack of jobs scheduling onto active buildds is known? | |
| [23:32] <wgrant> apw: For private PPAs, yes. | |
| [23:33] <wgrant> apw: Private PPAs need the source published before they can build, and the publisher is currently disabled as we're reattaching SAN volumes and stuff onto the new machine | |
| [23:33] <apw> wgrant, no for the main buildds | |
| [23:33] <wgrant> Hm, that should be working. | |
| [23:33] <wgrant> apw: Do you have a link to a bad build? | |
| [23:33] <wgrant> It's possible that the builders have gone crazy again | |
| [23:34] <apw> wgrant, i am looking at the powerpc queue which is still full, and two empty powerpc builders | |
| [23:35] <wgrant> Yeah, those two have been problem children over the last few hours | |
| [23:35] <apw> wgrant, armhf appears to have one builder which isn't pulling jobs either | |
| [23:35] <wgrant> I'll get someone to look at them once we've finished migrating the current set of hosts | |
| [23:35] <apw> wgrant, thanks | |
| [23:35] <wgrant> 'cause we're currently moving three very large datasets | |
| [23:40] <george_e> I was about to say something about pushing to a branch but I just saw the notice :) | |