| [02:14] <JontheEchidna> pykde takes a while to build | |
| === jalcine is now known as Jacky | |
| [04:18] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Did you get a chance to take it for a spin? | |
| [09:01] <Riddell> I miss revu | |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | |
| [09:25] <Quintasan> Hi | |
| [09:28] <Riddell> hi Quintasan | |
| [09:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think kimpanel's upstream is Chinese, that will make communication a little bit harder if he doesn't know English, gotta confirm it first | |
| [09:42] <Riddell> what makes you think he doesn't speak english? | |
| [09:47] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/calligra-25-rc | |
| [09:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: Just guessing, so far my adventures in the Asian developer community ended up in a failure because I didn't know Chinese and the other party knew little English. | |
| [09:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: We could also try switching to fcitx if we get enough tests. | |
| [09:54] <Quintasan> ETOOMANYINPUTMETHODS | |
| [09:56] <Riddell> Quintasan: does it work? | |
| [09:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well it looks like it is working, let me try that on a clean install. | |
| [09:57] * Quintasan does kvm magic | |
| [09:57] <Riddell> Blizzz: does the owncloud-client use gnome-keyring? it's giving me lots of error messages saying so | |
| [10:01] <Blizzz> Riddell: dragotin says it does not | |
| [10:03] <Riddell> something does, I get lots of this when I run it "WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/jr/.cache/keyring-9Yp480/pkcs11: No such file or directory" | |
| [11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all | |
| [11:33] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: no, but it is compiled now. I'll give it a try after work today | |
| [12:43] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Great. Thanks. | |
| === apachelogger___ is now known as apachelogger____ | |
| [13:00] <Riddell> Blizzz: owncloud-client in experimental ppa for the testing https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages | |
| [13:00] <Riddell> apachelogger____: what is the meaning of the underscores? | |
| [13:00] <apachelogger____> degree of annoyedness | |
| [13:00] <Riddell> uh oh | |
| [13:10] <afiestas> apachelogger____: remove one of them coz the video I sent u.U | |
| [13:11] <apachelogger____> touch debian/stamp-patched | |
| [13:11] <apachelogger____> that is reason to remove one | |
| === apachelogger____ is now known as apachelogger___ | |
| [13:29] <Riddell> happy birthday Nightrose | |
| [13:29] <Nightrose> Riddell: thank you! :) | |
| [13:52] <Blizzz> Riddell: yay! | |
| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | |
| [14:16] <jjesse> yeah happy birthday Nightrose | |
| [14:17] <Nightrose> jjesse: thx :) | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> jtechidna: was there any conclusion to the gtk kcm question? | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> seems like the main point is it overriding default gtk settings which would affect ubuntu unity users | |
| [14:55] <jtechidna> hmm, I don't think we reached any consensus on what to do. | |
| [14:55] <jtechidna> though I think if the kcm is part of kubuntu-desktop then it's not that big of an issue | |
| [14:56] <Riddell> jtechidna: what's not an issue? | |
| [14:56] <jtechidna> Riddell: globally setting the gtk settings | |
| [14:56] <Riddell> jtechidna: but that would mess up people who also wanted to use unity no? | |
| [14:57] <jtechidna> they generally wouldn't install kubuntu-desktop, right? | |
| [14:57] <Riddell> some people like to use both | |
| [14:58] <Riddell> jtechidna: how do we set it by default for new users who havn't run the gtk config kcm? | |
| [14:58] <jtechidna> I don't know | |
| [14:59] <jtechidna> how do we do it currently? | |
| [14:59] <Riddell> not sure that's what I'm wondering :) | |
| [14:59] <BluesKaj> i don't see the point of unity with kde available ..I tried unity for 2 weeks , that was enough, now I understand why ubuntu users are looking at alternatives | |
| [15:00] <jtechidna> I know we used to have a shell script as part of startkde, dunno if that's still used | |
| [15:00] <Riddell> ah yes it has "# configuration of the gtk2-engines-oxygen if not already set" | |
| [15:00] <jtechidna> I thought xsettings-kde may have changed things, though | |
| [15:01] <jtechidna> I'm not sure how everything fits together now | |
| [15:01] <Riddell> startkde makes ~/.kde/env/gtk2-default-theme.rc.sh | |
| [15:06] <Riddell> the good news is this new version of oxygen-gtk3 fixes it! | |
| [15:06] * Riddell updates oxygen-gtk2/3 | |
| [15:10] <Riddell> well I get how GTK2 theme is set, no idea how GTK 3 theme is set | |
| [15:15] <jtechidna> archive admins are a bit slow :( bug 1012151 | |
| [15:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1012151 in tagua (Ubuntu) "Request for removal from archive (binary and source, sync blacklist)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012151 | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> voila | |
| [15:20] <jtechidna> thanks :) | |
| [15:20] <jtechidna> I had forgotten about it, it had been so long, lol | |
| [15:21] <jtechidna> !info knights | |
| [15:21] <ubottu> knights (source: knights): chess interface for the KDE Platform. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3.2-1build1 (precise), package size 2630 kB, installed size 4012 kB | |
| [15:21] <jtechidna> ^knights is also affected, but it's upstream is still around. there's some hope that a new version can be released | |
| [15:22] <ScottK> jtechidna: We could remove just the binaries for now and then wait and see. | |
| [15:37] <tsdgeos> wassup with knights? | |
| [15:39] <ScottK> Apparently not ported to the new kdegames lib API. | |
| [15:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^ | |
| [15:43] <jtechidna> It still uses KGameRenderer and friends for rendering: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Games/Porting_to_libkdegames_v5#Theming_and_KGameRenderer | |
| [15:44] <jtechidna> *still uses old KGameRenderer | |
| [15:44] <jtechidna> and the old buildsystem bits | |
| [15:44] <ScottK> tsdgeos: ^^^ | |
| [15:45] <tsdgeos> ScottK: the buildsystem bits might be a problem | |
| [15:45] <tsdgeos> KGameRenderer is fine | |
| [15:46] <tsdgeos> actaully i don't know why smajesky changed the LibKDEGames.cmake to KDEGames.cmake | |
| [15:46] <tsdgeos> just breaks stuff | |
| [15:46] <tsdgeos> without really any need | |
| [15:46] <tsdgeos> but now it's too late i guess | |
| [15:46] <ScottK> If it's just a name change, maybe a compatibility symlink for 4.9? | |
| [15:48] <Riddell> jtechidna: oh it's actually xsettings-kde that sets the gtk2 and 3 theme | |
| [15:48] <Riddell> as well as GTK2_RC_FILES | |
| [15:49] <tsdgeos> ScottK: haven't digged much | |
| [15:49] <tsdgeos> but i don't think there's much more changes | |
| [15:49] * ScottK neither | |
| [15:51] * tsdgeos will have a look later if he remembers | |
| [16:07] <jtechidna> :D http://bash.org/?16293 | |
| [16:10] <apachelogger___> {standard input}: Fatal error: can't write SplitElementTxn.o: No space left on device | |
| [16:10] <apachelogger___> yehaaa | |
| [19:03] <micahg> umm, if I have a kde langpack installed in precise, it wants to install calligra on upgrade to quantal | |
| [19:05] <micahg> language-pack-kde-xx Depends calligra-l10n-xx Recommends calligra, the langpacks should enhance calligra, not recommend it | |
| [19:05] <micahg> is there an existing bug or should I file one? | |
| [19:07] <micahg> is anyone planning a calligra upload soonish? | |
| [19:15] <micahg> bug #1027215 | |
| [19:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1027215 in calligra-l10n (Ubuntu Quantal) "calligra-l10n-xx should enhance, not recommend calligra" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027215 | |
| [19:16] <micahg> I'm happy to do the fix/upload as long as it's approved | |
| [19:43] <micahg> Riddell: yofel_^^ | |
| [20:20] <ScottK> There's some magic script that possbly needs fixing too. I think apachelogger___ or yofel_ know about that. | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [20:38] <yofel> no, calligra-l10n is independent of kde-l10n and has it's own setup. Fixing that ^ would be a 2 line change in rules. | |
| [20:38] <yofel> hm | |
| [20:38] <yofel> spoke too soon | |
| [20:39] <yofel> if it has to be "Enhances" then you'll need to add that in the control file as well | |
| [20:40] <ScottK> micahg: Go for it. | |
| [20:44] <micahg> ScottK: ok, will do over the weekend when I have more time to test | |
| [20:44] <ScottK> Thanks. | |
| [21:11] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: which package is the plugin factory supposed to be in? | |
| [21:11] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: python3-pyqt4. | |
| [21:11] <ScottK> I didn't do anything to make it land there though. | |
| [21:11] <JontheEchidna> you mean -kde4? | |
| [21:11] <ScottK> yes | |
| [21:11] <ScottK> pykde4 | |
| [21:11] <JontheEchidna> so it should be in the build dir somewhere | |
| [21:12] <JontheEchidna> found it | |
| [21:12] <ScottK> Yes. | |
| [21:12] <ScottK> I know it gets built. | |
| [21:13] <JontheEchidna> kcmshell4 crashes, installing debugging symbols now | |
| [21:18] <bas_brain> hi guys, will ubuntu still be developed by the community or will be developed by the new company? | |
| [21:19] <ScottK> bas_brain: Di you mean Kubuntu? | |
| [21:19] <ScottK> Di/Did | |
| [21:20] <bas_brain> yeah sorry | |
| [21:20] <ScottK> Some people who work on Kubuntu are paid for it and some aren't. That hasn't changed. Who happens to be paying people doesn't much matter. | |
| [21:20] <bas_brain> so nothing changed, only the company who also support it. I understood | |
| [21:21] <bas_brain> I would like to help the community, any advice? | |
| [21:22] <ScottK> Start doing it. | |
| [21:22] <ScottK> If there's something you think can be improved, improve it. | |
| [21:23] <ScottK> I have to go, but if you mention where you'd like to help, I'm sure someone can suggest something. | |
| [21:35] <bas_brain> i would like to help kubuntu team | |
| [21:38] <bas_brain> how can i join any group? | |
| [21:38] <bas_brain> do i have to register to a admnistrator and then he will decide? | |
| [21:47] <JontheEchidna> barry: Hi, I tested out the python3 plugin factory just now. | |
| [21:47] <JontheEchidna> this crash occurs during plugin creation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102500/ | |
| [21:48] <barry> JontheEchidna: hmm | |
| [21:49] <JontheEchidna> Fatal Python error: take_gil: NULL tstate | |
| [21:51] <JontheEchidna> here's a bt full for the top part of the stacktrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102518/ | |
| [21:51] <barry> JontheEchidna: yikes. okay, that one should be easy. PyEval_InitThreads must be called *after* Py_Initialize in >= 3.2. /me updates the branch | |
| [21:53] <barry> JontheEchidna: update pushed | |
| [22:00] <JontheEchidna> barry: ok, that fixed that. It now crashes the kcmshell or systemsettings when the plugin encounters a syntax error (and tries to call apport?) http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102529/ | |
| [22:01] <JontheEchidna> I was using the print statement instead of the print function | |
| [22:01] <barry> that's interesting | |
| [22:03] <JontheEchidna> there's a similar crash with proper syntax, too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102536/ | |
| [22:03] <barry> probably the PyGILState_Ensure() needs to move above the PyErr_Print(). /me looks | |
| [22:07] <barry> JontheEchidna: this might fix the syntax error case, probably not the other case, but please pull the update and try again | |
| [22:08] <JontheEchidna> ok | |
| [22:20] <JontheEchidna> barry: I don't think it helps the syntax case | |
| [22:20] <barry> JontheEchidna: it still crashes when you have a syntax error? | |
| [22:20] <apachelogger___> yofel: calligra-l10n does the same thing no? | |
| [22:20] <JontheEchidna> barry: yep | |
| [22:21] <barry> JontheEchidna: can you pastebin the backtrace? | |
| [22:21] <JontheEchidna> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102561/ | |
| [22:21] <JontheEchidna> oh, wait | |
| [22:21] <JontheEchidna> the patch didn't apply properly | |
| [22:22] <yofel> apachelogger___: not really, they have a small setup script, but that's only to prepare the initial mutiple-tar source. The package relationships are only defined in control and rules | |
| [22:22] <JontheEchidna> ugh, I hope I don't have to do a clean rebuild. that'll take an hour or two D: | |
| [22:23] <barry> JontheEchidna: ah, no, i see where i screwed up. hang on a sec | |
| [22:23] <barry> i wonder why it doesn't apply properly. | |
| [22:23] <JontheEchidna> actually it did apply properly | |
| [22:23] <JontheEchidna> I'm using the Manual Patch System so that I don't have to re-build the whole thing :P | |
| [22:24] <barry> i think the quilt stack is clean tho | |
| [22:24] <JontheEchidna> e.g. me manually updating the patched file after looking at the bzr diff | |
| [22:24] <barry> ah :) | |
| [22:25] <JontheEchidna> then I just rm -rf builddir-3.2/kpython3pluginfactory, then debuild -us -uc -nc | |
| [22:25] <JontheEchidna> saving me 2 hours compile time | |
| [22:25] <barry> ouch. | |
| [22:25] <barry> JontheEchidna: update pushed. please try again | |
| [22:26] <JontheEchidna> k | |
| [22:27] <barry> JontheEchidna: i'm going to get dinner started. brb. | |
| [22:31] <apachelogger___> yofel: spooky | |
| [22:33] <barry> JontheEchidna: let me know how it goes and i'll keep checking back in | |
| [22:35] <JontheEchidna> barry: no luck yet, the relevant part of the function looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102582/ | |
| [22:37] <barry> JontheEchidna: yeah, that looks right. the problem was that the gil state wasn't acquired when PyErr_Print() was called. but you're saying that with the latest pastebin, the syntax error case still crashes? if so, backtrace please. | |
| [22:39] <JontheEchidna> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1102591/ | |
| [22:40] <barry> JontheEchidna: okay, now i have no idea :/ | |
| [22:41] <JontheEchidna> :( | |
| [22:41] <JontheEchidna> I can throw my project up in bzr if you'd like to fiddle around with it yourself | |
| [22:41] <barry> JontheEchidna: sure. please tell me how to build and test it tho | |
| [22:41] <JontheEchidna> ok | |
| [22:43] <JontheEchidna> barry: lp:~echidnaman/+junk/kde-config-drivers | |
| [22:43] <JontheEchidna> mkdir build; cd build; cmake ../ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr; make; sudo make install; kbuildsycoca4; kcmshell4 kde-config-drivers | |
| [22:44] <barry> JontheEchidna: on quantal right? | |
| [22:45] <JontheEchidna> barry: yeah, only quantal has the python3-kde stuff | |
| [22:45] <barry> cool | |
| [23:00] <barry> JontheEchidna: i guess i'll see you in 2 hours ;) | |
| [23:01] <JontheEchidna> well, my computer's a bit crap, but it's still a double-build of the package basically | |
| [23:52] <barry> JontheEchidna: something's wrong with the build system. following your commands in a quantal chroot, after doing 'cmake ...', the make command just exits immediately. afaict, CMakeFiles/Makefile2 has an empty all: target | |
| [23:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, right | |
| [23:52] <JontheEchidna> skip the make step, just do make install | |
| [23:52] <JontheEchidna> it's interperted so there's nothing to make :P | |
| [23:54] <barry> ah, cool. well, looks like the kcmshell4 needs the x server so the chroot is unhappy ;/ | |
| [23:55] <barry> i'm going to have to install a build vm for this since i don't have a quantal machine that can handle it atm. i'll do that now but i probably won't get to the build until monday. please do ping me then. | |
| [23:55] <JontheEchidna> ok | |
| [23:55] <JontheEchidna> have a good weekend | |
| [23:55] <barry> thanks, you too | |