2012/06/15/#lubuntu.txt

[00:50] <meet> how do edit the icons in the top right corner in 12.04?
[01:47] <Adam_> hi all!
[02:32] <future28> Hey guys, could anyone here help me out regarding peppermint? The peppermint channel is dead. I'm looking to put java on so I can write some programs and run them from the command line
[04:28] <optik> Hey all I keep trying to install lubuntu on my acer aspire one and it just freezes at the lubuntu logo with the dots, any ideas?
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[09:24] <BlueMaxima> Hi, is there an easy way to modify the lubuntu menu (with the application shortcuts)?
[09:26] <BlueMaxima> I've tried using alacarte but it either crashes on me or does nothing when I try to create new items
[09:28] <bioterror> all the stuff is read from .desktop files under /usr/share/applications/
[09:28] <bioterror> someone can correct me if I am wrong
[09:30] <BlueMaxima> I was hoping for something a little more user-friendly than editing text files
[09:39] <BlueMaxima> Nevermind, I found LXMED on Sourceforge and that seems to work, thanks anyway!
[11:19] <reflexrg> is lxde okay with dealing with color management if you use lprof?
[11:39] <sb1980> hi
[11:41] <sb1980> i've got a problem: whenever i select text in gedit, my window manager crashes.
[11:41] <sb1980> anyone has an idea?
[11:56] <Debolaz[Lo]> Does lubuntu support vertical panels? I know it does in theory, theres a configuration option for it, but everything just gets messed up if you select it, so is there a proper way of doing it?
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[15:15] <leszek> hi
[15:41] <pmatulis> hi
[16:02] <faustic> http://clip2net.com/s/22hmm
[16:02] <faustic> http://clip2net.com/s/22hmm
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[17:48] <LMan> you idoits
[17:48] <LMan> why is it every new release of lubuntu i have to do even more configuring after the intial install
[17:49] <LMan> yu guys even have virtually broken printing and or adding printers in lubuntu
[17:49] <LMan> i always have to track down the right driver
[17:49] <LMan> for god sake you didn't even install hp-lip as default
[17:49] <LMan> just getting worse
[17:50] <LMan> the volume indicator doesn't pop up any volume settings without additional installs
[17:50] <leszek> LMan: please use a proper language here
[17:50] <LMan> proper language
[17:50] <LMan> you see any swear words?
[17:50] <leszek> its a community project and everyone is trying his best
[17:50] <leszek> [19:48] <LMan> you idoits
[17:50] <LMan> the community is making it more broken with every release
[17:50] <leszek> this is not very friendly
[17:50] <LMan> thats a description
[17:51] <leszek> LMan: this is btw. a support channel. So if you have a problem ask here
[17:51] <LMan> why is it printing is virtuallyl brokent without installing extra packages that should be installed by default
[17:51] <valdur55> LMan, do you mean cups ?
[17:52] <LMan> so many people add printer and if finds some driver that doesn't work, usually it doesn't even find a fake proper driver it tries to install a text only driver
[17:52] <LMan> how in the world did hp-lip not make it into the default install
[17:52] <LMan> honestly
[17:52] <leszek> LMan: it takes too much space
[17:52] <bioterror> and not all people have hp printers
[17:52] <LMan> i have had to do this time and time again for the many many machines i install lubuntu on
[17:52] <LMan> well over 100 now
[17:52] <bioterror> LMan, I assume you get paid for that then
[17:52] <leszek> LMan: then honestly speaking you are an idiot
[17:53] <LMan> i didn't need to go look for printer solution before but in the past couple releases the default install has become almost useless particularly in the printer area
[17:53] <leszek> you could just create one installation and clone it
[17:53] <LMan> and how is it we can get a fully working volume control that doesn't need extra packages
[17:53] <LMan> you can't even change what the volume control is controlling... ex.  pcm   over master
[17:53] <LMan> ridiculous
[17:53] <leszek> there is a full working volume control built in
[17:54] <leszek> alsamixer
[17:54] <LMan> go to volume and settings
[17:54] <LMan> it doesn't work unless you install xterm or something else like gnome alsa
[17:54] <LMan> also you can't switch what the volume control controls
[17:54] <leszek> LMan: this is a plugin built in lxpanel. If you want to have it upgraded please consider requesting or helping the upstream project
[17:54] <LMan> let a machine want to use pcm as it control and the volume indicator becomes useless
[17:55] <LMan> no reason to upgrade
[17:55] <LMan> simple use volwheel instead
[17:55] <LMan> get rid of the horendous volume control and replace with volwheel
[17:55] <LMan> pretty simple
[17:55] <LMan> this volume as been horrible from the begging
[17:55] <bioterror> nothing wrong with the alsa and alsamixer
[17:56] <bioterror> works like a dream
[17:56] <LMan> simplicity yea right, can't even get a consistant easy to use volume indicator
[17:56] <LMan> bioterror
[17:56] <leszek> LMan: I don't know volwheel and it is not even packaged in ubuntu
[17:56] <LMan> switch your volume control to control pcm
[17:56] <leszek> so even if we want it, we need a maintainer to package it
[17:56] <LMan> lots of old computer want to use pcm over master
[17:57] <LMan> in the last two releases
[17:57] <LMan> i'm doing more and more post install     "fixes"
[17:57] <LMan> at least in the last release adding printers actually worked
[17:58] <leszek> LMan: then just simply use another distribution which you think fits better for you
[17:58] <LMan> no
[17:58] <LMan> i want this one to be better
[17:58] <leszek> LMan: you simply don't have any experience in creating a distribution like Lubuntu
[17:58] <leszek> Its not so easy as saying use this and that
[17:59] <leszek> just like your example of volwheel
[17:59] <LMan> leszek first you don't know me so you don't have the privledge of saying what i do and don't know
[17:59] <LMan> what i do know is this distro used to be better then its currently getting
[17:59] <leszek> many of us never heard of it and it is not packaged in ubuntu, so we can't use it. Its that damn simple
[17:59] <LMan> in otherwords its going backwards
[17:59] <LMan> leszek watch your language
[18:00] <LMan> ???? many of us never heard of it and it is not packaged in ubuntu
[18:00] <LMan> what does that mean
[18:00] <leszek> nothing is going backwards its just bullshit that you are talking. Remember volume control never changed. Remember network support in pcmanfm 0.5 ? No because it never was there. So don't talk shit
[18:00] <LMan> yea ok
[18:00] <LMan> switch you volume control to use something else like pcm
[18:01] <LMan> open the volume settings
[18:01] <LMan> can't can ya
[18:01] <leszek> printer support did not change except for newer cups and better drivers
[18:01] <LMan> and if you can its because you installed and extra pacakge
[18:01] <LMan> add a printer after a default install
[18:01] <LMan> doesn't work does it
[18:01] <leszek> it does
[18:01] <LMan> now cuz you have to add more stuff
[18:01] <bioterror> volwheel was horrible looking
[18:01] <LMan> these are basic functions that should be tackled in every release
[18:01] <bioterror> I decided to go with volumeicon instead
[18:01] <LMan> volweel is not horrible looking better do a new search
[18:02] <LMan> volwheel is much lither then volumeicon
[18:02] <LMan> http://oliwer.net/b/volwheel.html
[18:02] <LMan> and the mixer works, it also lets you set what the volume indicator controls
[18:02] <bioterror> http://softwarebakery.com/maato/volumeicon.html
[18:02] <LMan> boy that nice
[18:03] <LMan> ya i know bioterror
[18:03] <LMan> but it uses 2 - 3 times the ram
[18:03] <LMan> 15 megs for volume the last i remember
[18:03] <LMan> volwheel uses 1.2 megs
[18:03] <bioterror> luckily I have money to buy more RAM then if I dont like the one that comes with the lubuntu
[18:03] <LMan> yea that a solution
[18:04] <LMan> i have cash so i don't have to think of a good solution
[18:04] <LMan> sheesh
[18:04] <LMan> typical
[18:04] <LMan> don't address problems just ignore them and belittle those who bring them up
[18:05] <LMan> you should run for office
[18:06] <bioterror> is there a conversation for applications for 12.10?
[18:06] <bioterror> you could lman join the conversations and bring your points out
[18:06] <LMan> i m doing that now
[18:06] <bioterror> no you're not
[18:06] <LMan> and most respond the same
[18:06] <LMan> ignore problems
[18:06] <bioterror> you take part to the discussions on the mailing list
[18:07] <bioterror> that's where the magic happens
[18:07] <LMan> yea right
[18:07] <bioterror> but people expects you to share facts too
[18:07] <LMan> brought up suggestions and issues before and everyone acts as if there isn't any
[18:08] <LMan> the printing is a major major issue
[18:08] <LMan> volume control is major issue
[18:08] <LMan> shy
[18:08] <LMan> why
[18:08] <LMan> these are relatively everyday functions that people expect to work
[18:08] <LMan> if you can't get a decent volume control how good of a impression is that going to leave
[18:10] <bioterror> some people doesnt even get the login screen :(
[18:11] <bioterror> but we will gladly see your emails on the discussions about programs and settings for the 12.10
[18:13] <LMan> honestly though
[18:13] <LMan> how can volume be over look as not the big of deal
[18:17] <LMan> too upset to speak right lol but how can volume be over looked?
[18:18] <LMan> the L might not stand for lxde but for lazy distro
[18:18] <rich1> whats wrong with volume in 12.10?
[18:18] <LMan> go to volume settings
[18:19] <LMan> doesn't work does it
[18:19] <rich1> i'm running 12.04
[18:19] <LMan> without installing some extra package like xterm or gnome alsa
[18:19] <LMan> also switch the volume control to control pcm instead of master
[18:19] <LMan> can't do it can ya
[18:19] <rich1> i'm running 12.04
[18:19] <LMan> and lots of old computer want to use pcm instead of master
[18:19] <LMan> yea ok you running 12.04
[18:20] <LMan> your point?
[18:20] <rich1> are you running 12.10?
[18:22] <LMan> yes
[18:24] <LMan> 12.04
[18:26] <blackgatocatnegr> Hi, is lubuntu 10.04 still suported?
[18:26] <kanliot> nope
[18:27] <kanliot> actually i brought up the mixer in work items/ blueprints  i guess people like alsamixer
[18:27] <LMan> no, in that version, printing worked without hassle, we've decided to move on and make it a pain, more productive that way
[18:28] <blackgatocatnegr> So what is going to be lubuntu next LTS version?
[18:28] <blackgatocatnegr> or whatever you can legaly call them
[18:30] <leszek> blackgatocatnegr: there never was something like that and I don't think there will be in near future
[18:31] <blackgatocatnegr> so lubuntu 10.04 suport is dropped, what will they use to give suport to older hardware?
[18:35] <leszek> blackgatocatnegr: I don't think there will be a replacment
[18:35] <blackgatocatnegr> -_-
[18:35] <smile> bye! :)
[18:37] <LMan> so can anyone explaine why hp-lip is not longer included by default?
[18:37] <LMan> why is it printers are such a pain now
[18:38] <LMan> hp, the most widely support linux printer in existence,,, ya let now include the hp-lip library for printers,,,, that makes a whole lot of sense
[18:39] <LMan> now=not
[18:39] <LMan> sorry start messing up letters when i'm furious over stupid decisions
[18:42] <LMan> and who needs volume control anyway,,, i can always open up a terminal and type alsamixer and fumble around,,, because that is so much simpler than a volume indicator with a working volume settings and the ability to determine what the volume control controls
[18:42] <LMan> honestly
[18:42] <LMan> terrible decision making lately
[18:42] <LMan> if there is a new project leader then you need another one
[18:43] <leszek> LMan: you are free to contribute in decision making
[18:43] <LMan> contributing would actually mean that someone listens
[18:43] <leszek> but in fact your comments aren't very helpful so nobody listens
[18:43] <LMan> these problems have been brought up by mean many times in the lubuntu forums, mailing list and in here
[18:43] <LMan> with no change
[18:44] <leszek> perhaps it could not be changed
[18:44] <LMan> so you have determined that printing and volume controls aren't helpful
[18:44] <leszek> lets see hplip. Its simply too big to fit on a cd
[18:44] <LMan> thats why people are hesitant to contribute
[18:44] <LMan> then get rid of something like mtpaint
[18:44] <LMan> which is useless
[18:44] <leszek> then the volume indication replacement was discussed but not a suitable software was found before freeze
[18:44] <LMan> and make it fit
[18:44] <LMan> it was there before
[18:44] <LMan> they made it fit before
[18:45] <LMan> ihave
[18:45] <leszek> LMan: before we had much lesser features
[18:45] <LMan> volwheel is super lightweight and actually works with features
[18:45] <leszek> volwheel is not in the repos for gods sake
[18:45] <LMan> taking away easy printer setup is far less features
[18:45] <LMan> than anything that may have been added
[18:46] <LMan> then put it in the repose
[18:46] <LMan> the volume control in lubuntu is a joke
[18:46] <LMan> and a bad joke at that
[18:46] <leszek> LMan: putting volwheel in the repos needs a maintainer which does it
[18:46] <leszek> LMan: if you want to do this job then please do
[18:46] <LMan> its called send an email to the creator
[18:46] <LMan> tough
[18:46] <LMan> real tough
[18:47] <leszek> LMan: than do it
[18:47] <LMan> hey we are the lubuntu team we would like to use volwheel in our distro can you please create a package and add it to the repos
[18:47] <LMan> real tough email
[18:48] <leszek> LMan: do you know how to get a package into the ubuntu repos ?
[18:48] <leszek> I am not getting the impression you know
[18:48] <LMan> ya, email the creator
[18:48] <LMan> if he doesn't do it then take it upon yourself
[18:49] <LMan> most likely though the would be flattered to have their software as part of a default install
[18:49] <leszek> LMan: its not that easy
[18:49] <leszek> and all in all there was no clear voting upon the volume manager for 12.04
[18:49] <LMan> well configuring printers now and fixing the volume control fiasco is not that easy either and or should be any type of a post install hassle
[18:49] <leszek> so nothing has changed
[18:49] <LMan> then the voters are not that bright
[18:50] <LMan> lubuntu and old computer are quite literally my business
[18:50] <LMan> that i do very well in
[18:50] <LMan> but i've seen lubuntu become less and less friendly
[18:50] <LMan> requiring more and more post install configuring
[18:51] <leszek> it all depends on what you do. For me Lubuntu 12.04 works fine
[18:51] <LMan> get rid of penguin games, and make printing easy again
[18:51] <leszek> and what is the printer configuration problem in details? Is it only the missing hplip or more ?
[18:52] <LMan> don't give me this it can't fit on a cd,,,, they made it fit before,,, get rid of some junk so printing and volume is easy to work with
[18:52] <LMan> add any printer to lubuntu
[18:52] <LMan> and i guarantee you that it won't work without specific installs or configuring
[18:52] <LMan> it used to work fine
[18:52] <leszek> LMan: its not a decision a single person (like you) is doing when it comes to software which should be shipped
[18:52] <leszek> its a community decision
[18:52] <LMan> but now they essentially broke it for the average user
[18:53] <LMan> then the commuity doesn't know what they are doing
[18:53] <leszek> LMan: I don't get it
[18:53] <valdur55> LMan, you can use remaster to make your lubuntu remix
[18:53] <LMan> thats not the point
[18:53] <LMan> the point is it works out of the box
[18:53] <LMan> what ever happened to this idea
[18:54] <LMan> let a novice user not be able to get their printer working and watch how fast lubuntu gets replaced
[18:54] <LMan> same for a sensible working volume control
[18:55] <LMan> but penguin games is must
[18:55] <LMan> sheesh
[18:55] <valdur55> LMan, volume control is Lxde issue, not Lubuntu's
[18:56] <leszek> LMan: if you don't like the lubuntu way and your topics don't come through then please create your own distro or remix or use another distribution
[18:56] <LMan> yea and lubuntu jobs should be about tackling issues with lxde to set their distro apart
[18:56] <LMan> and or fix what they now doesn't work well
[18:56] <leszek> LMan: Lubuntu is a community project live with it
[18:56] <LMan> remix is not the answser
[18:56] <LMan> i would like lubuntu to get back to a fully working distro out of the box
[18:56] <LMan> printing for example should probably be at the top of the must work list
[18:57] <leszek> LMan: printing is working
[18:57] <LMan> the fact that it needs to be brought up as very important feature is ridiculous
[18:57] <LMan> yea, once you add extra stuff
[18:57] <LMan> do a fresh install and try it
[18:57] <LMan> it will find some kind of driver
[18:57] <LMan> but it won't work
[18:57] <LMan> go ahead try it
[18:58] <LMan> i only install lubuntu on about 10 machine a week
[18:58] <LMan> so what do i know
[18:59] <valdur55> LMan, does your printer work in ubuntu ?
[19:00] <LMan> regular ubuntu manage to squeeze most of the drivers like hp-lip onto their cd
[19:00] <LMan> but some how lubuntu is unable to
[19:00] <LMan> go figure
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> LMan:  you can still  *get* those drivers if you want
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> between you and I...
[19:01] <LMan> yes i know that
[19:01] <LMan> that not the point
[19:01] <TheLordOfTime> i customize every installation disk i use :P
[19:01] <LMan> lets say i'm a novie i download lubuntu
[19:01] <LMan> i install it
[19:01] <LMan> i go to printer and add printer it finds something but doesn't work
[19:02] <LMan> i think it should because it claims it found it and a driver
[19:02] <LMan> which don't work
[19:02] <LMan> so now i as a novice user have a terrible impression of lubuntu
[19:02] <LMan> because something relatively common just dosnt' work
[19:02] <LMan> like printing.....
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[19:03] <LMan> customization should be just that custom
[19:03] <LMan> not fix it after the install so it works right
[19:03] <LMan> thats not customization
[19:07] <LMan> and why is it the lubuntu software center is terrible, good grief linux mint lxde software center destroys lubuntu's
[19:07] <LMan> add to basket then go to the basket and install
[19:08] <LMan> yea that intuitive instead of just a button that says install
[19:10] <LMan> and lets not get into sharing a folder
[19:10] <LMan> good luck with that with a default install
[19:12] <LMan> but penguin games and mtpaint is a must
[19:12] <LMan> good grief
[19:14] <LMan> lubuntu has reached the lazy point of, here is an ubuntu base that we threw lxde on
[19:14] <LMan> everyting else is up to you,   yea thats approach is going to make a lot a great first impressions
[19:15] <leszek> LMan: this is a support channel please leave if you don't have a support question or discuss your stuff in #lubuntu-offtopic
[19:17] <LMan> right , don't address anything, just pass the buck
[19:18] <LMan> how are things not working correctly not a support issue?
[19:20] <leszek> I asked you to give details and you are only just complaining over and over and over again the same stuff without giving any details
[19:20] <leszek> and without a clear support question btw.
[19:20] <LMan> i gave detail and detail of what the issues are
[19:20] <LMan> adding printers doesn't really work anymore because the necessary libraries are no longer installed by default as they once were
[19:20] <LMan> detailed enough>?
[19:21] <LMan> volume settings doesn't work
[19:21] <LMan> why xterm or gnome alsa not installed by default
[19:21] <leszek> LMan: these are not support questions
[19:21] <LMan> also volume control does not allow you to configure it to control what you want
[19:21] <LMan> yes they are
[19:21] <LMan> these are things that don't work
[19:21] <leszek> no, they are bug reports
[19:21] <LMan> tthey are nto bugs
[19:21] <leszek> they aren't ?
[19:22] <LMan> they are problems that occur because of poor decisions
[19:22] <LMan> not including most of the printing libraries and or drivers is just a poor decision
[19:22] <leszek> I have had enough. I really hope an op will kick out of this, otherwise I will go
[19:22] <LMan> go then
[19:23] <LMan> cuz your no help anyway, you want to defend without addressing the issues
[19:23] <LMan> these issues are very common and should not be occuring with any distro particularly not with one that is tied to ubuntu (the easy linux)
[19:32] <Myrtti> so what was the actual support question here?
[19:32] <Myrtti> printing not working?
[19:33] <Myrtti> what printer?
[19:33] <Myrtti> HP, Samsung, something else?
[19:33] <LMan> printing doesn't work out of the box on any printer without additional installations
[19:33] <LMan> it used to add printers without issue
[19:34] <LMan> now you need to add libraries and or drivers because they removed them from the distro , now making it a pain to add a simple printer
[19:34] <LMan> even an hp printer needs extra stuff installed
[19:34] <Myrtti> which version of lubuntu, latest 12.04? which version of cups? which kernel?
[19:34] <Myrtti> which printer?
[19:34] <LMan> the most widely supported linux printer needs extra libraries because they aren't important enough to include be default
[19:34] <LMan> no a very good decision
[19:34] <Myrtti> if libraries or drivers have been removed, it's not necessarily lubuntu's decision
[19:34] <LMan> do a fresh install of lubuntu then add any printer you want
[19:34] <LMan> it will find something but it won't work
[19:34] <Myrtti> we use the same basic stuff under the bonnet as Ubuntu does
[19:35] <LMan> i put lubuntu on about 10 machines aweak
[19:35] <LMan> week
[19:35] <Myrtti> are you done ranting or are you willing to answer my questions?
[19:35] <LMan> doesn't matter what printer they all need something
[19:35] <LMan> lubuntu used to have hp-lip installed by default for easy printer setup
[19:35] <LMan> also a couple other drivers and libraries were enabled by default to handle printers
[19:35] <Myrtti> LMan: could you please answer my questions?
[19:36] <LMan> now its removed, to save space for mtpaint and penguin games apparently
[19:36] <LMan> what questi9on?
[19:36] <Myrtti> because many people have had enough of your ranting, if you can't answer my questions, I can't help you and I'd like to ask you to stop this tirade so others can benefit from the channel
[19:36] <LMan> oh you took a poll?
[19:37] <LMan> how many are tired of hearing the shortcomings of lubuntu lately
[19:37] <Myrtti> 1) what printer, what manufacturer, model 2) which version of lubuntu? 3) which version of kernel 4) which version of cups
[19:37] <LMan> i got the printer working
[19:37] <LMan> i always do
[19:37] <LMan> the point is the new user
[19:37] <LMan> not me or u
[19:37] <LMan> the new guy
[19:37] <LMan> who doesn't know what to do
[19:37] <Myrtti> oh so this isn't a support question at all
[19:37] <Myrtti> thanks
[19:38] <LMan> he is not keeping lubuntu if he can't get his printer working with relative ease
[19:38] <LMan> support question, ha, i've asked support question in here before with no answer for hours
[19:38] <LMan> only get a response when you start complaining
[19:39] <Myrtti> your problems aren't strictly speaking support issues. Venting about the subject here will yield you no positive outcome - at 'best' you will antagonize a lot of helpers and developers
[19:39] <LMan> your right, i can handle the shortcoming of lubuntu
[19:40] <LMan> my concern is the people that i setup with it or buy pc with it already installed
[19:40] <LMan> now if i install it then its fine
[19:40] <Myrtti> thank you for your concern. Can we move on?
[19:40] <Myrtti> thanks for helping others installing it
[19:40] <LMan> but if they need to reinstall or tackle something on their own there should be simple things like volume control giving them a headache
[19:40] <LMan> should=shouldn't
[19:40] <LMan> no we can't move on
[19:40] <LMan> moving on means ignoring issues
[19:41] <Myrtti> we've been listening and reading your concerns for hours now
[19:41] <Myrtti> I'm not ignoring them
[19:41] <Myrtti> I don't think anyone is ignoring them
[19:41] <LMan> yup, and this is the third year complaining about the volume control
[19:41] <Myrtti> there just isn't anything that can be done on the subject on IRC
[19:41] <LMan> so deaf ears is more like it
[19:42] <LMan> lubuntu is actually typical line of thought, work really hard until you get the nod from shuttleworth, then take it easy
[19:43] <Myrtti> alright, this is the final time I'm asking you to move on. We've heard your complaints, they're now in the channel logs
[19:43] <Myrtti> what exactly do you want us to do?
[19:44] <LMan> i would like to not have to complain for years about one simple issue, mainly volume, the printer issue just popped up in this release, but the volume has always been terrrible
[19:44] <LMan> if we know its lxde volume inidicator that is terrible then it should be replaced until it is better
[19:44] <LMan> not just welll...... thats what they give us soo.....
[19:44] <Myrtti> what exactly would you want us to do
[19:45] <LMan> apparently its takes many voices to address and issue
[19:45] <LMan> i bring the volume issue up a lot
[19:45] <LMan> no one denys its shortcoming yet no one does anything about it
[19:45] <Myrtti> what exactly would you want us to do?
[19:45] <bioterror> LMan, have you brought it up on the mailing lists
[19:45] <bioterror> LMan, yes or no
[19:45] <LMan> yes and get the same blah responses
[19:46] <bioterror> and the answer was?
[19:46] <LMan> honestly volume is pretty important to work and alway work correctly and to be complete
[19:46] <LMan> as of now the volume settings don;'t even work without and extra install
[19:46] <LMan> and the suggested install of pavcontrol doesn't even work
[19:46] <bioterror> yeah, I have to install rxvt-unicode on every install I do
[19:46] <LMan> so if you had someone that read the suggestion and went to install it , it wouldn't even work
[19:47] <LMan> thats a terrible impression
[19:47] <LMan> bioterror the point is its volume you shouldn't have to install jack kdfjsljfksdjfklsjk
[19:48] <bioterror> I dont have to
[19:49] <bioterror> works without a problem on my t43, on dell d620, dell d630
[19:49] <LMan> go to volume settings then
[19:49] <LMan> unless you install something extra it doesn't work
[19:49] <LMan> go ahead
[19:49] <bioterror> and what other computer I've used, my acer m5300
[19:49] <LMan> try it
[19:49] <Myrtti> alright
[19:49] <LMan> after a fresh install   volume settings does not work on its own
[19:49] <bioterror> really?
[19:49] <LMan> yes really
[19:50] <LMan> xterm or gnome alsa or whatever is not installed by default
[19:50] <bioterror> would you like to make a bug raport about it on launchpad?
[19:50] <bioterror> xterm is installed by default
[19:50] <LMan> it tells you to install pavcontrol
[19:50] <bioterror> it comes with the Xorg
[19:50] <Myrtti> remember to include "sudo lshw" and alsa bug tools output
[19:50] <LMan> which isn't correct because that is expecting pulse audio
[19:50] <LMan> its not a bug
[19:50] <bioterror> pavucontrol is for the pulseaudio
[19:50] <LMan> its a configuration issue
[19:51] <bioterror> and last time I checked, lubuntu did not come with pulseaudio
[19:51] <LMan> xterm should be installed by default so at least when you go to volume setting it will pop up alsamixer
[19:51] <LMan> no kidding
[19:51] <LMan> thats why the suggestion of pavcontrol is a dumb one
[19:51] <Myrtti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:52] <LMan> its not a debug
[19:52] <LMan> there is not but when its simply distro configuration error
[19:52] <Myrtti> well if it doesn't work on your hardware, it clearly is a bug
[19:52] <LMan> its doesn't work on any hgardware out of the box
[19:52] <Myrtti> I've not had any problems with sound, bioterror hasn't had any problems with sound
[19:52] <LMan> you instal it on 10 machines a week?
[19:52] <LMan> not sound
[19:52] <LMan> the sound settings
[19:53] <LMan> READ!
[19:53] <Myrtti> alright, I've really had enough now
[19:53] <leszek> :)
[19:55] <LGuy> real tough to get around that
[19:55] <bioterror> congratulations
[19:55] <bioterror> Myrtti, you won
[19:55] <leszek> LOL
[19:55] <Myrtti> we've wasted a lot of time in discussing the subject with you
[19:56] <Myrtti> please use the venues pointed to you by others
[19:56] <Myrtti> as you previously have
[19:56] <Myrtti> LGuy: many new users don't dare to disturb an ongoing discussion, so we will never know how many questions were left unanswered.
[20:32] <ebru> i want to disable multiple destop
[20:33] <ebru> how can i disable ?
[20:35] <leszek> ebru: Lubuntu menu -> preferences -> openbox configuration manager. There click on Desktop and set number of desktops to 1
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[23:23] <CrazyGangster> hello ppl, any1 can open this http://www.zygotebody.com? All my browsers says WebGL not supported, how can fix this?
[23:43] <tWEEZER> anyone alive*?
[23:57] <tWEEZER> PLS?