| [04:09] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1013468] package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Troll... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013468 (by Michael Yesutin) | |
| [04:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1013468 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqtcore4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: conffile './etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf' is not in sync with other instances of the same package" [Undecided,New] | |
| [04:21] <JontheEchidna> that kdevelop patch on kde-release should clear the NBS okteta libs off the list, so I'm pbuilding it now | |
| [04:21] <JontheEchidna> *kde-packager | |
| === m4v is now known as mkv | |
| [08:02] <Riddell> hola amigos | |
| [08:05] <jussi> Riddell: good morning sir | |
| [08:07] <soee> hi | |
| [09:29] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1011961] sftp connection with password fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011961 (by Arrigo Marchiori) | |
| [09:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1011961 in KDE Base Runtime "sftp connection with password fails" [High,Confirmed] | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: why has kubotu started posting random bugs? | |
| [10:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: cause I made it also | |
| [10:09] <apachelogger> so | |
| [10:09] <apachelogger> not random tho | |
| [10:09] <apachelogger> runtime & workspace | |
| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | |
| === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Council Election - Vote Now! | Status: http://goo.gl/ZGGJP | Packaging TODO (4.8.90): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting: Thu 14th 16:00UTC https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | |
| [11:15] <rigo> hello everybody! I have reported a bug and I would like to know if I have to do anything to have it fixed. Bug is #1011961 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/1011961) and there is also a patch. | |
| [11:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1011961 in KDE Base Runtime "sftp connection with password fails" [High,Confirmed] | |
| [11:16] <jussi> Riddell: any thoughts about that ^^ | |
| [11:17] <Riddell> rigo: keep poking upstream | |
| [11:17] <Riddell> e-mail kde-devel list if no reply on the bug | |
| [11:20] <rigo> Riddell: thank you for the suggestions. However, I would expect the KDE developers to fix this in the next KDE versions. How about Ubuntu? The patch could just be integrated without waiting for upstream... couldn't it? | |
| [11:21] <apachelogger> sure it could | |
| [11:21] <apachelogger> it coudl also then break something | |
| [11:23] <rigo> apachelogger: sure it could :-) Is there anything I can do to encourage testing of that patch? | |
| [11:27] <Riddell> make test packages maybe | |
| [11:29] <BluesKaj> Hey all | |
| [11:31] <soee> hi BluesKaj | |
| [11:33] <BluesKaj> hi soee | |
| [11:35] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1011961] sftp connection with password fails @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1011961 (by Arrigo Marchiori) | |
| [11:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1011961 in KDE Base Runtime "sftp connection with password fails" [High,Confirmed] | |
| [12:53] <ScottK> Riddell: audiocd-kio accepted. Thanks. | |
| [12:54] <Riddell> ScottK: yay | |
| [12:55] <BluesKaj> BBL | |
| [12:55] <ScottK> Even though it'll get demoted soon, I accepted into Main since it's a split of Main source and it'll build faster. | |
| [12:59] <jtechidna> ScottK: libkasten1* is NBS and is now rdepends free, except for the dependencies among themselves. | |
| [13:00] <ScottK> OK. There's a regular cleanup process for such things, so I'll leave it to that. I am currently working on Bug #1013242, however. | |
| [13:00] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1013242 in kdemultimedia (Ubuntu) "Remove kdemultimedia source package from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013242 | |
| [13:00] <jtechidna> ok, cool | |
| === ikonia is now known as ikonia_ | |
| === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia | |
| [13:53] <BluesKaj> , BBL | |
| [14:02] <rigo> Riddell: sorry for the long away time. When you say "make test packages" do you also mean "and publish them somewhere"? I did make some packages at work, applying the patch before the compilation, and they seem to work fine. | |
| [14:25] <kio_http> Hi, sorry to intrude but are there any plans for 4.8.90 on precise? | |
| [14:31] <ScottK> kio_http: There will be packages in the beta PPA when they are ready. | |
| [14:31] <kio_http> Sounds good ... thanks | |
| [14:36] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1013686] package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013686 (by alfonex) | |
| [14:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1013686 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtDesigner.so.4.8.1'" [Undecided,New] | |
| [14:49] <ScottK> It's possible I was just sarcastic on ubuntu-devel (ML). | |
| [14:57] <Riddell> ScottK: a little yes. but the development-release-is-stable is something that's interesting, we could consider using it instead of all these time consuming backports | |
| [14:58] <ScottK> True. | |
| [14:58] <ScottK> I think 'let's not freeze because dailies are great' is a bit ridiculous. | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> wouldn't what rick proposes need to be applied for everything? | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> i.e. without basic valdiation nothing gets out of proposed | |
| [15:01] <apachelogger> if so then I'd consider that a bigger drag on velocity than one week of cherry pick blockage | |
| [15:05] * cjwatson starts the move of Kubuntu to universe in quantal, per discussion on kubuntu-devel@ and IRC. | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> \o/ | |
| [15:06] <jtechidna> :) | |
| [15:06] <ScottK> :-( | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> I can be a master of the universe again | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> though I thought there was no conclusion on the discussion | |
| [15:06] <cjwatson> ScottK: It might be worth looking into some kind of parallel MIR-lite process. It wouldn't be very hard to e.g. maintain a list of the things that have been checked. | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> then again no one was really loking for a conclusion *Shrug* | |
| [15:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think it was clear where the balance of opinion was. | |
| [15:14] <apachelogger> *shrug* | |
| [15:14] <cjwatson> Done. | |
| [15:19] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: hey :) I'm doing some changes to add-printer wizard of print manager, what do you think about the following? (I removed the huge icon here) | |
| [15:19] <dantti_laptop> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/15/plasma-desktopBZ1944.png | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> kubuntu-ninjas PPAs is actually quite wuick at building, it's the publishing which takes hours :( | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: hours? :O | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> wtf | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: me likes | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: except I would put the ppdf file thigny at the bottom | |
| [15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: one or two hours | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> and add a filter label | |
| [15:21] <dantti_laptop> hmm I didn't thought about putting it at the bottom.. let me try | |
| [15:21] * apachelogger always found it quite silly that in apparently no printer installer we ever had you were able to filter the lists | |
| [15:21] <dantti_laptop> it filtered first but now I'm not sure it will work.. | |
| [15:21] <apachelogger> so you end up scrolling left until you find Foo and then Foo has 3000 drivers and you end up scrolling all to the end of the drivers pane | |
| [15:21] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: well, assuming it cannot autodetect the driver | |
| [15:22] <apachelogger> so you go manually looking for it | |
| [15:22] <apachelogger> which I reckon can often be the case as otherwise I fail to see the point of the lists ;) | |
| [15:22] <dantti_laptop> yes, it's just a bit trick to search on trees | |
| [15:23] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: so what I would do is add *one* filter that filters the driver names | |
| [15:23] <cjwatson> Riddell: PPA publishing is fairly dreadful. There's work on "diskless archives" being considered at the moment to improve it. | |
| [15:24] <cjwatson> Because it bites the Consumer Apps work for software-center. | |
| [15:24] <apachelogger> so if I enter 9000 there, the left hand pane would only display brands that have a driver that matches 9000 and the right hand pane will only display the matching drivers per brand | |
| [15:24] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: I know its the search algorith that is trick.. since it's a tree we had a hard time when doing this for polkit kcm... | |
| [15:24] <cjwatson> That said I believe there's been some emergency patching done of late to try to improve things. | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: simply traverse all child nodes? | |
| [15:25] <Riddell> cjwatson: do you know who's incharge of the language pack infrastructure these days? | |
| [15:25] <Riddell> dpm? | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> you'll get away with n*regexcmp | |
| [15:27] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: it's not that simple, since you can't hide the parent on the match.. | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> huh? | |
| [15:27] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'd start with him, at least. Martin probably still has his fingers in bits of it, knowing him. | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> why that is silly | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: does it need to be a tree? | |
| [15:27] <dantti_laptop> to hide a make you need to check all childs | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: you need to do that anyway | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> n is the amount of known drivers | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> you need to regex all known drivers | |
| [15:28] <dantti_laptop> well you need to do it twice.. | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: why? | |
| [15:28] <maco> apachelogger: the KC election... there's only one spot open? | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: you go through all parents, and decend into their children, if no children matches the parent gets hidden | |
| [15:29] <dantti_laptop> the algorithm will check each node, first on parent then on childs.. | |
| [15:29] <apachelogger> maco: no, dunno why it says so | |
| [15:29] <maco> apachelogger: how many? | |
| [15:29] <apachelogger> 3 | |
| [15:29] <maco> ok | |
| [15:29] <dantti_laptop> on the parent you chekc the childs to see if it should be visible.. | |
| [15:29] <apachelogger> half the team gets elected once a year | |
| [15:29] <maco> ok | |
| [15:29] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: ah you mean a predefiend algorithm? | |
| [15:30] <Riddell> dpm: language packs? I think we need to turn the language-pack-kde packages into simple meta packages depending on kde-l10n-xx and other bits, how do we do that? | |
| [15:30] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: the sortfilterModel... | |
| [15:30] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/15/plasma-desktopLR1944.png | |
| [15:30] <debfx> cjwatson: a few of the new KDE source packages haven't been demoted yet: audiocd-kio, kscd and libkcompactdisc (they show up on component-mismatch) | |
| [15:30] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: make your own filter model | |
| [15:30] <cjwatson> debfx: Yeah, those were already listed for moving but I only initially processed the ones that changed as a direct result of telling component-mismatches to consider only Ubuntu | |
| [15:31] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: sure I need to , but I 'll need to manually do that, which is boring... | |
| [15:31] <apachelogger> lol | |
| [15:31] <apachelogger> dantti_laptop: it's like 20 sloc for the algorithm :P | |
| [15:31] <apachelogger> unless you thread the filtering, which would be really fancy ^^ | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> like if a parent has > thresh nodes you run the scan in a thraed ^^ | |
| [15:32] <cjwatson> debfx: Done now, thanks | |
| [15:33] <Riddell> 16:33 < skaet_> Riddell, will you follow up with the images you want for Kubuntu for 12.04.1 as well? | |
| [15:33] <Riddell> what do we want? | |
| [15:34] <maco> real food | |
| [15:34] <apachelogger> what are the options? | |
| [15:34] <maco> when do we want it? | |
| [15:34] * apachelogger wants pony images | |
| [15:34] <maco> (we're chanting right?) | |
| [15:35] <apachelogger> maco: you are not a fish, you are a person | |
| [15:35] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: I'll let that for later :P I'm also thinking on merging these two http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/15/plasma-desktopBL1944.png http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/15/plasma-desktopLs1944.png | |
| [15:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: presumably desktop, can we be bothered with alternate? I'm wanting to say no to arm, active, dvd, powerpc, amd64+mac | |
| [15:36] <Aptar> Just wanted to stop in and say I appreciate the hard work you guys put in to Kubuntu. | |
| [15:36] <dantti_laptop> apachelogger: removing the left icon and puting it next to the printers list, pretty much like what s-c-p does today.. | |
| [15:36] <Aptar> Thanks. | |
| [15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd leave alternate, dvd seems worthwhile tho | |
| [15:36] <Riddell> Aptar: :) | |
| [15:36] <apachelogger> magazines like to put DVDs on their DVDs | |
| [15:37] <apachelogger> which is a common source for users | |
| [15:37] <Riddell> that's the DVD we just dropped for 12.10? | |
| [15:37] <apachelogger> yes | |
| [15:37] <apachelogger> with 12.10 we do put useful stuff on the desktop image tho :P | |
| [15:44] <rigo> I have to leave this channel now. Thank you and good bye! | |
| [15:49] <dpm> Riddell, I've no idea about how language pack dependencies work, I think pitti might be the best person to talk to | |
| [16:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1013686] package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013686 (by alfonex) | |
| [16:37] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1013686 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "package libqt4-designer 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtDesigner.so.4.8.1'" [Undecided,Invalid] | |
| [16:40] <Riddell> final bits compiling (that are going to compile) for precise 4.8.90 now | |
| [16:54] <shadeslayer> wheee .. moved to universe :D | |
| === mkv is now known as symphony | |
| [17:46] <debfx> I'll move 4.8.4 to the updates ppa once kde4libs finished building | |
| [17:46] <Riddell> debfx: problems got sorted? | |
| [17:46] <debfx> Riddell: yep, upstream reverted 2 commits | |
| [17:46] <Riddell> great | |
| [17:47] <MountainX> For KDE GUI app development using Python, how is Eclipse? | |
| [17:47] <Riddell> MountainX: hmm no idea I'm afraid, never tried it | |
| [17:48] <Riddell> I don't an IDE person myself, I use Kate or emacs | |
| [17:48] <Riddell> s/don't/not/ | |
| [17:48] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "I not an IDE person myself, I use Kate or emacs" | |
| [17:49] <Tm_T> MountainX: we have this thing called KDevelop | |
| [17:49] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: not particularly useful when writing python code fwiw | |
| [17:49] <MountainX> Yes, I am deciding between KDevelop and Eclipse... | |
| [17:49] <Tm_T> but meh, if you're writing python, I'm unsure what difference IDE would make | |
| [17:49] <shadeslayer> Kate for python | |
| [17:49] <shadeslayer> or vim | |
| [17:49] <Riddell> I've also no idea how KDevelop is for Python | |
| [17:50] <Riddell> Idle is the python Qt IDE, it's always scared me by having about 100 toolbar buttons in it's default UI | |
| [17:50] <shadeslayer> :D | |
| [17:50] <Riddell> Tm_T: same thing as in c++ surely | |
| [17:50] <shadeslayer> oh btw | |
| [17:50] <MountainX> I'm not a full time developer so I want to learn just one IDe. Eclipse is something I could use for many different projects, so I was hoping I might also use it for Python-KDE projects. | |
| [17:50] <Riddell> tab completion, quick links to api etc, quick buttons for execution etc | |
| [17:50] <shadeslayer> apparently there's a GSoC on improving KDE Accessibility this time | |
| [17:51] <shadeslayer> so hopefully we will have better a11y in the coming releases | |
| [17:51] <Tm_T> ...now if I could find a reasonable Kate-replacement that would work in a browser for example | |
| [17:51] <Riddell> in a browser? | |
| [17:51] <shadeslayer> there's going to be a standard library ( Atleast that's what I was told by the student doing the GSoC ) for apps to export a11y interfaces | |
| [17:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, been testing if I can do my work just by having a browser | |
| [17:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: you are google's dream | |
| [17:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, now that you mentioned it... http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/chrome-elinks.png | |
| [17:52] <Tm_T> chrome can be used for browsing too ^^ | |
| [17:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: oh my | |
| [17:53] <shadeslayer> @_@ | |
| [17:53] <shadeslayer> who in their right minds would use that | |
| [17:53] <Tm_T> elinks? | |
| [17:54] <shadeslayer> yes | |
| [17:54] <Tm_T> why not, although I usually do use lynx | |
| [17:54] <Tm_T> ...when I use TUI browser | |
| [17:54] <Riddell> w3m is the best | |
| [17:55] <shadeslayer> unlike apachelogger, I'm a sane person, hence I use full featured browsers :P | |
| [17:55] <shadeslayer> not lynx ... | |
| [17:55] <shadeslayer> not that I've got anything against people using lynkx | |
| [17:55] <shadeslayer> *lynx | |
| [17:56] <davmor2> Riddell: +1 w3m ftw | |
| [17:56] <MountainX> Anyone know if KDevelop has code completion for Python? | |
| [17:57] <shadeslayer> MountainX: I heavily doubt you'll find IDE's that do code completion for python | |
| [17:57] * Riddell never tried python in KDevelop | |
| [17:57] <shadeslayer> I did search for it one time | |
| [17:57] <shadeslayer> but gave up and started typing out stuff in kate | |
| [17:57] <shadeslayer> and surprisingly the code worked :P | |
| [17:57] <MountainX> Actually there are lots of them that do code completion for Python | |
| [17:57] <shadeslayer> you only need to take care of spaces | |
| [17:58] <shadeslayer> MountainX: not true code completion, kate only completes for stuff that you've already written in the file | |
| [17:58] <shadeslayer> unlike C++, where you have proper parsers and what not | |
| [17:59] <MountainX> I don't know what "true code completion" is, but I know that there are several Python IDEs that claim to offer code completion. I watched a video on it. | |
| [17:59] <MountainX> And I used IPython which has really code tab completion. | |
| [17:59] <MountainX> *really cool | |
| [18:00] <Riddell> it would be entirely possible to have code completion in an IDE, python is very introspectable | |
| [18:00] <Riddell> the IDE would just need to ask the library what classes and methods it has | |
| [18:01] <Riddell> I did see a kdevelop dev trying to do code completion in javascript one time many years ago, not a pretty sight | |
| [18:01] <MountainX> Being that I only dabble in coding, I don't want to learn a lot of different tools. But I do want to be able to write KDE GUI apps in Python. So I'm looking for the one best IDE to learn. | |
| [18:02] * shadeslayer usually has python docs + kate | |
| [18:02] <shadeslayer> that's all | |
| [18:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer++ | |
| [18:03] <shadeslayer> that's how I'm learning erlang as well :P | |
| [18:03] <Riddell> what's erlang? | |
| [18:03] <MountainX> @shadeslayer. I don't understand what you are saying. I've seen several Python IDEs that offer code completion, including the big well-known names including PyDev plugin for Eclipse | |
| [18:04] <shadeslayer> MountainX: right, and I'm saying you *don't* need a python IDE | |
| [18:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: highly concurrent programming language used by Telco's for handling GSM Calls and stuff | |
| [18:04] <shadeslayer> used in other stuff as well | |
| [18:05] <shadeslayer> but it was developed by Ericsson primarily for GSM | |
| [18:05] <MountainX> I don't need it as long as I want to use just IPython, but I find an IDE useful for my style of work. | |
| [18:05] <shadeslayer> MountainX: you're coming from a C/C++ background right? :P | |
| [18:06] <MountainX> I knew C/C++ around 20 years ago. I consider myself as starting from almost nothing now. Just learning Python. | |
| [18:06] <shadeslayer> MountainX: ok, trust me, you really don't need a IDE :P | |
| [18:07] <shadeslayer> in python all you need are docs and a text editor | |
| [18:07] <shadeslayer> I had a *very* hard time starting with python because I was so used to IDE's | |
| [18:07] <MountainX> I want a forms designer for sure. And once I have that, I might as well have the other stuff an IDE offers. | |
| [18:08] <shadeslayer> ah, a ui form designer, there's a separate app for that | |
| [18:08] <shadeslayer> QtDesigner or sth | |
| [18:08] <shadeslayer> so no need for a entire IDE :) | |
| [18:09] <MountainX> why don't you like IDEs? | |
| [18:10] <MountainX> stepping through code with a debugger is really helpful. IDEs make that easy. I'm not sure how to do that with just Kate. | |
| [18:10] <shadeslayer> MountainX: I use QtCreator extensively with C++ | |
| [18:10] <shadeslayer> so it's not that I don't like IDE's :D | |
| [18:11] <shadeslayer> but IDE's don't make sense with python, because python is .... different | |
| [18:11] <MountainX> Python in interpreted. But an IDE is just as useful in Python as it is in C++ | |
| [18:11] <MountainX> especially with a forms designer | |
| [18:12] <MountainX> BTW, here is a good list of Python IDEs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584/what-ide-to-use-for-python | |
| [18:13] * shadeslayer still disagrees with using IDE's for python, because they just slow people down when programming in python | |
| [18:14] <shadeslayer> also, top answer is vim, which is what I already suggested at the beginning of the discussion | |
| [18:14] <MountainX> Integrated Python debugging (to name one example) doesn't "just slow people down". | |
| [18:15] <shadeslayer> dunno, I usually use pydb and ! in vim | |
| [18:15] <MountainX> I'm not willing to invest the time to learn vim (or emacs) because I'm not a full time developer. I want a solution that is easy to pick back up when I haven't touched it after a 2 or 3 month break. | |
| [18:15] <MountainX> IDEs are good for reminding you what to do | |
| [18:17] <MountainX> And Eclipse plus the PyDev plugin is the #2 recommendation from that stackoverflow thread, and that's what I came here asking about. I want to know if it is nearly as suitable as KDevelop for Python KDE dev work. | |
| [18:18] <MountainX> If Eclipse plus the PyDev plugin is *almost* as good as KDevelop for Python work, I'll use it because I can also use Eclipse for Java and Android and some other things I want to dabble in. | |
| [18:20] <shadeslayer> I've never used Eclipse, so you'll have to experiment on your own there :) | |
| [18:20] <shadeslayer> Pretty sure it won't be able to handle ui forms | |
| [18:21] <MountainX> OK. I'll check that and see what the options are for UI forms. Thanks. | |
| [18:21] <shadeslayer> QtDesigner | |
| [18:22] <shadeslayer> and iirc KDE has something for ui files as well | |
| [18:22] <shadeslayer> don't use it, so don't remember the name tbh :P | |
| [18:23] <MountainX> I just found this: http://popdevelop.com/2010/04/setting-up-ide-and-creating-a-cross-platform-qt-python-gui-application/ | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer> MountainX: I'm also not sure about using PyQt4, I personally favor PySide :P | |
| [18:27] <MountainX> true, I like PySide better too. | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer> primarily because it had better support for QML and to a lesser extent, their site design | |
| [18:29] <MountainX> One reason I liked PySide because there aren't two different language versions (so simpler for me) and the one version uses the newer slots and signals standard. | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer> ah cool | |
| [18:32] <MountainX> OK, based on your feedback, maybe I'll just start with separate tools until I find an IDE I like. I can use IPython, Qt Designer, PySide, Kate, git, etc. But I'll have to figure out a good solution for code refactoring and integrated debugging... | |
| [18:35] <shadeslayer> using Unix as a IDE ;) | |
| [18:36] <MountainX> yeah, true. Why not? | |
| [18:49] <MountainX> Where can I download Qt Designer? | |
| [18:49] <jtechidna> apt-get install designer-qt4 | |
| [18:50] <MountainX> duh! Thanks. Google was misleading me. | |
| [18:50] <jtechidna> er, that's the wrong name | |
| [18:50] <jtechidna> qt4-designer ;-) | |
| [18:50] <MountainX> I'll find it with apt-cache search | |
| === symphony is now known as k4v | |
| [21:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually I used w3m recently | |
| === k4v is now known as m4v | |