| [01:30] <cyphermox> robert_ancell: hey | |
| [02:04] <RAOF> ARGH STUPID DAMN SSDs. | |
| [02:05] <lifeless> RAOF: ? | |
| [02:05] <RAOF> The ssd in my laptop has decided that it's *too good* to talk to the bios. Therefore, the bios sees it not. | |
| [02:05] <lifeless> hah | |
| [02:06] <lifeless> 'too good'? Is that hyperbole, or an actual error symptom ? | |
| [02:06] <RAOF> Hyperbole ;) | |
| [02:06] <RAOF> It no longer appears in the BIOS' list of devices; presumably it's not responding to SATA commands. | |
| [02:08] <RAOF> This is why déjà dup is set to daily backups. | |
| [02:23] <bryceh> RAOF, last week I had a problem where the SSD wouldn't come up, because the freakin' liveusb stick installed the boot loader on the usb stick. wtf. | |
| [02:24] <RAOF> That's a bit sub-optimal | |
| [02:24] <bryceh> RAOF, so the ssd only booted when the usb stick was installed. fun! | |
| [02:24] <bryceh> of course, easy to fix once I figured out what was going on, but eesh. | |
| [02:24] <bryceh> common problem with liveusb's with persistent storage enabled, apparently. | |
| [03:03] <thomi> Does anyone know what "failed to set drm interface version" means? It's an error that I'm getting from X on three separate boxes with different graphics cards when trying to live-boot the precise daily CD image. | |
| [03:03] <TheMuso> Given all the things I've heard about SSDs, I can't help but wonder if the tech is still a little immature. | |
| [03:05] <RAOF> thomi: "failed to set drm interface version" generally means one of two things: the drm modules aren't ready, or you don't have the requisite permissions. | |
| [03:06] <RAOF> Woot! Thank you deja-dup; now I have the actual code I want to palm off to robert_ancell :) | |
| [03:06] <thomi> hmmm, I'm guessing it's the former, rather than the latter, since this is the live CD | |
| [03:06] <thomi> RAOF: any idea how I'd check that? | |
| [03:06] <RAOF> Where are you seeing that? | |
| [03:06] <robert_ancell> RAOF, lost then found again? | |
| [03:07] <RAOF> robert_ancell: On an SSD that's died, then extracted from yesterday's backup. | |
| [03:07] <thomi> RAOF: in the X log, instead of booting into the desktop I get the "system running in low graphics mode" dialog. | |
| [03:08] <RAOF> thomi: You could pastebin the Xorg.0.log; you could also try logging in to a VT and checking that the drm module's up and running - that'd be one of i915, radeon, or nouveau. | |
| [03:09] <bryceh> TheMuso, I've a bunch of systems on SSD's now, and anecdotally would say they're definitely no worse than HDDs generally | |
| [03:09] <thomi> RAOF: the 'radeon' module is indeed listed in 'lsmod' | |
| [03:09] <bryceh> TheMuso, remember with HDD's there's a class of mechanical problems you can run into, which just aren't going to happen on SSD's. | |
| [03:10] <cyphermox> robert_ancell: fyi; seb told me you were working on g-s-d 3.5; might want to merge with what's currently in lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu if you have a local branch, I did an upload earlier. | |
| [03:10] <RAOF> thomi: If you start lightdm now, does it work? | |
| [03:10] <TheMuso> bryceh: Yeah I know, same for both I guess, I've just heard of some pretty bad SSD failings, which surprises me for drives with no moving parts. | |
| [03:12] <thomi> RAOF: I don't get an error, but I can't seem to switch to VT7, I just get a black screen. However, there's a chance that's the KVM I'm fighting with | |
| [03:12] * thomi checks logs | |
| [03:12] <RAOF> I think the vertex series is particularly bad; I heard similar bad things about vertex 2 drives, but (at the time I bought it) people were saying that the vertex 3 had resolved that. | |
| [03:17] <bryceh> TheMuso, maybe so. I always research my drive purchases on newegg and have yet to have an SSD failure (out of about a dozen I own currently). | |
| [03:18] <bryceh> TheMuso, of course having said that I'm sure tomorrow I'll have the SSD in my most critical system go down... | |
| [03:18] <micahg> bryceh: how old is your oldest drive? | |
| [03:19] <thomi> RAOF: OK, I finally beat the KVM into submission. Yes, if I start lightdm manually it works perfectly | |
| [03:19] <RAOF> thomi: In that case it sounds like a race between X startup and drm. | |
| [03:19] <RAOF> thomi: Are you only seeing this on radeon cards? | |
| [03:20] <thomi> RAOF: nope, I have *exactly* the same issue on three separate machines running radeon, nvidia, and intel chipsets | |
| [03:20] <RAOF> That's very odd. | |
| [03:21] <thomi> RAOF: possibly something to do with it being a PXE boot? | |
| [03:22] <thomi> I dunno how that would change anything though, but I guess having an NFS FS might make some race conditions rear their heads | |
| [03:22] <RAOF> I guess it *could* be? But intel and nouveau are usually better at actually waiting for their devices to come up before bailing in that way. | |
| [03:24] <thomi> RAOF: I am able to tweak the OS before it boots, so if there's a hack you can think of to make sure things happen in the right order I'm happy to try it out | |
| [03:25] <bryceh> micahg, hardy timeframe. | |
| [03:25] <RAOF> thomi: Loading the drm modules into the initramfs should rule out a race. | |
| [03:25] <micahg> bryceh: a 4 yr old SSD? | |
| [03:27] <bryceh> micahg, hmm that doesn't sound right | |
| [03:27] <thomi> hmmm | |
| [03:28] <RAOF> thomi: An easy way to get the drm modules into the initramfs is to install cryptsetup, then rebuild the initramfs. | |
| [03:33] <thomi> RAOF: sp is the kernel module always called 'drm', or does that change between drivers? | |
| [03:38] <RAOF> thomi: There's drm.ko, drm_kms_helper.ko, and a hardware-specific driver - i915.ko, radeon.ko, nouveau.ko. | |
| [03:38] <bryceh> micahg, I'm a year off; it was right after berlin, which looks like it was the Jaunty sprint in Feb 2009 | |
| [03:39] <micahg> bryceh: still, a 3yr SSD seems amazing | |
| [03:39] <thomi> RAOF: thanks | |
| [03:42] <bryceh> micahg, yeah I got in early on ssd's. That particular drive has been hand-me-downed through a few systems. I've lost track of where it exists now but think it's in a netbook I gave to a relative. | |
| [04:06] <thomi> RAOF: possibly a stupid question: Would it matter if I loaded a graphics driver in the initramfs that wasn't needed for the hardware? For example, I had the 'radeon' module in there and the machine had an intel card? | |
| [04:06] <thomi> ...reason being: I have one OS image that serves several different machines | |
| [04:07] <RAOF> No; the modules will only autoload if the hardware they support is present, and (generally) will fail to load if you try to manually modprobe them on a system without hardware they can drive. | |
| [04:08] <RAOF> And won't *harm* anything even if they do load. | |
| [04:09] <thomi> ok, cool | |
| [04:14] <pitti> Good morning | |
| [04:40] <cyphermox> hey pitti | |
| [04:40] <cyphermox> I'm planning on starting on the drivers stuff "tomorrow", basically in a few hours | |
| [04:41] <cyphermox> I'll poke your brain about the plans then :) | |
| [04:47] <pitti> cyphermox: nice! | |
| [04:47] <pitti> looking forward to the new GUI | |
| [05:41] <rickspencer3> good morning all | |
| [05:43] <pitti> hey rickspencer3 | |
| [05:43] <rickspencer3> hiya pitti | |
| [05:43] <rickspencer3> pitti, how is your new upstream QA work going? | |
| [05:44] <pitti> rickspencer3: some slow progress; still working on desktop backlog | |
| [05:44] <pitti> rickspencer3: but I submitted my first kernel patch last week and did not get flamed (didn't get applied yet, though) | |
| [05:44] <rickspencer3> pitti, backlog of desktop work, or backlog of desktop QA? | |
| [05:45] <pitti> rickspencer3: and I'm making some nice progress on the udisks2 test suite; it already helped to discover one bug in udisks2 itself, and one in util-linux, which is quite nice (and unexpected) | |
| [05:45] <rickspencer3> congrats! | |
| [05:45] <pitti> rickspencer3: desktop work; some python3 porting and the like | |
| [05:45] <pitti> but that's fine | |
| [05:46] <rickspencer3> well, looks like daily quality is still marching along, except KDE seems to be in some difficulties | |
| [05:46] <pitti> yeah, today quantal is much better than yesterday | |
| [05:51] <BigWhale> Good Morning. | |
| [06:03] <didrocks> good morning | |
| [06:10] <rickspencer3> 'morning didrocks | |
| [06:10] <didrocks> bonjour rickspencer3, ça va ? | |
| [06:11] <rickspencer3> ça va bien | |
| [06:12] <rickspencer3> expeté, je n'ai pas café | |
| [06:12] <rickspencer3> je dois sortir pour café biento .... | |
| [06:12] <rickspencer3> je dorm .... | |
| [06:12] <rickspencer3> zzzzzzz | |
| [06:13] <rickspencer3> didrocks, et tois? ça va? | |
| [06:14] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ça va bien! pas encore pris de café non plus, mais je vais me faire un petit thé bientôt | |
| [06:16] <rickspencer3> tu as la vie sànte | |
| [06:17] <didrocks> je sais pas si le thé est plus zen que le café, mais je préfère son goût | |
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| [08:06] <seb128> hey | |
| [08:06] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va? | |
| [08:06] <seb128> lut didrocks, ouais, et toi ? | |
| [08:07] <didrocks> ça va bien :) | |
| [08:07] <Sweetshark> bonjours mes amis! | |
| [08:07] <seb128> Sweetshark, guten tag! | |
| [08:08] <Sweetshark> ;) | |
| [08:12] <Sweetshark> seb128: I could need a helping hand with forcing gcc to 4.6 on quantal. I have "build-conflicts: gcc (>= 4:4.7~) [!kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64], g++ (>= 4:4.7~) [!kfreebsd-i386 !kfreebsd-amd64]" but dpkg complains that g++ 4.7 whats gcc 4.7. yeah, right. but it shouldnt fiddle with g++ 4.7 anyway ... | |
| [08:12] <Sweetshark> seb128: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107401324/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.libreoffice_1%3A3.6.0~beta1-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | |
| [08:12] <seb128> Sweetshark, do you need to remove 4.7? can't you just build-depends on 4.6 and tweak CC= and equivalents? | |
| [08:16] <Sweetshark> seb128: maybe -- Im unsure, if the old build system respects CC in every corner ... | |
| [08:16] <seb128> Sweetshark, the issue there is that build-essential depends on 4.7 | |
| [08:16] <seb128> Sweetshark, I'm not sure you can remove build-essential from the buildds | |
| [08:17] <Sweetshark> seb128: right | |
| [08:19] <Sweetshark> well, the old bs should work on that too ... | |
| [08:19] <seb128> Sweetshark, ? | |
| [08:19] <seb128> bs? | |
| [08:20] <Sweetshark> seb128: old build system (or old bull****) ;) | |
| [08:21] <seb128> heh, I see ;-) | |
| [08:28] <glatzor> hello mvo | |
| [08:29] <glatzor> mvo I added some patches to lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-precise to reduce the shame on errors.ubuntu.com :) | |
| [08:32] <pitti> popey: hey Alan, how are you? | |
| [08:33] <pitti> popey: do you guys plan to port unity away from libgdu to libudisks2 soon? udisks1 and libgdu are both obsolete | |
| [08:35] <seb128> pitti, I doubt anyone is working on that yet, I'm not even sure they knew about that transition, can you open a bug? | |
| [08:35] <pitti> sure | |
| [08:36] <pitti> should be fairly easy | |
| [08:36] <BigWhale> seb128, I chatted with DktrKranz yesterday. He'll update keybinder and get it ready for Wheezy in the next couple of days. | |
| [08:38] <popey> pitti: I was not aware of that | |
| [08:38] <popey> thanks! | |
| [08:38] <pitti> popey, seb128: I filed bug 1012000 about it | |
| [08:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1012000 in unity "Port to libudisks2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012000 | |
| [08:39] <seb128> pitti, thanks | |
| [08:39] <pitti> popey: please let me know if there is any trouble; I know udisks rather well, so can help if there are any questions | |
| [08:39] <pitti> just got bug 1011997, which reminded me about this :) | |
| [08:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1011997 in compiz "compiz crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1011997 | |
| [08:40] <pitti> I can reliably crash compiz by running udisks' test suite | |
| [08:40] <popey> delightful! | |
| [08:40] <seb128> pitti, you probably want to talk to the unity hackers rather than the packagers, I will ping andyrock, I think he's the closer of a maintainer for that code | |
| [08:41] <pitti> right; I pinged popey because I thought he would know best whom to assign/forward it to | |
| [08:41] <pitti> seb128: merci | |
| [08:43] <seb128> pitti, andyrock said he would work on it ... btw is the sigabrt a unity issue or a libgdu one? | |
| [08:44] <pitti> I don't have the full stack trace yet, but I figure it's calling gdu_pool_get_by_device_file() with a NULL argument or so | |
| [08:44] <pitti> it seems the code/logic for getting teh actual assertion message isn't working, meh | |
| [08:44] <pitti> that even has a test in glib | |
| [08:44] * pitti puts that on his todo | |
| [08:44] <seb128> pitti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107405806/Stacktrace.txt | |
| [08:44] <seb128> stacktrace from the retracer | |
| [08:45] <seb128> interesting stuff are optimized out... | |
| [08:45] <seb128> get_device_for_device_file (device_file=0x375a880 "/dev/sdb") | |
| [08:45] <mvo> glatzor: awsome, let me sponsor that | |
| [08:45] <seb128> though | |
| [08:46] <pitti> get_device_for_device_file (device_file=0x375a880 "/dev/sdb") seems complete, though | |
| [08:46] <pitti> so, presumably in libgdu | |
| [08:46] * pitti reassigns | |
| [08:47] <mvo> glatzor: I'm currently working on your python-apt MP for the auth stuff too | |
| [08:47] <pitti> seb128: updated the bug, FYI | |
| [08:47] <seb128> pitti, danke | |
| [08:48] <pitti> seb128: I got your ping about bug 1010141, btw; on my todo list | |
| [08:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010141 in gvfs "gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor automounts loop devices, preventing them from being unmounted" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010141 | |
| [08:48] <seb128> pitti, danke | |
| [08:48] <seb128> pitti, I got pinged by kees about it, I've the feeling the google guys are bothered about it ;-) | |
| [09:03] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone | |
| [09:07] <didrocks> seb128: oh, meeting report reminder! | |
| [09:07] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson ;) | |
| [09:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you? | |
| [09:07] <seb128> didrocks, thanks | |
| [09:09] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks seb128 | |
| [09:10] <chrisccoulson> i'm good thanks, how are you? | |
| [09:10] <chrisccoulson> i'd be better if i didn't have to drop everything to fix a bug i can't even reproduce though ;) | |
| [09:11] <jibel> Sweetshark, ping | |
| [09:11] <Sweetshark> jibel: pong | |
| [09:12] <jibel> Sweetshark, hey, I have setup an environment in the lab that builds LO periodically | |
| [09:13] <jibel> it's currently setup to build from the pre-release PPA on Quantal | |
| [09:13] <jibel> Sweetshark, the results are here https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/quantal-pkg-libreoffice/ | |
| [09:13] <Sweetshark> lemme guess, you want a 3.6 beta building against gcc 4.6 on quantal? | |
| [09:14] <jibel> Sweetshark, it's using 4.7 currently | |
| [09:14] <jibel> and fails on i386 as expected | |
| [09:14] <jibel> Sweetshark, amd64 builds but make check fail | |
| [09:14] <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/quantal-pkg-libreoffice/ARCH=amd64,label=albali/26/ | |
| [09:14] <jibel> Sweetshark, is there any log I should collect from the build env when check fail ? | |
| [09:17] <Sweetshark> not as it is now, but with next upload (for quantal), ./debian/rules should set "ulimit -c unlimited" if you have gdb installed and that should give us a helpful stacktrace from the crashers ... | |
| [09:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks | |
| [09:18] <Sweetshark> s/stacktrace/stacktraces/ | |
| [09:19] <Sweetshark> jibel: however, I am trying to force gcc=4.6 on quantal for now -- I dont see these issues on gcc-4.6. | |
| [09:19] <Sweetshark> jibel: so, it might be interesting to see if those are indeed introduced by gcc 4.7 | |
| [09:21] <Sweetshark> see https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-prereleases/+sourcepub/2504240/+listing-archive-extra for the current build of beta on quantal (hopefully against 4.6) | |
| [09:27] <jibel> Sweetshark, ok, I updated the source and it's building. | |
| [09:43] <Sweetshark> jibel: as for archiving artifacts from that: while the logs should be a lot more helpful already with the new version and gdb around (because they then have stacktraces), it might actually be interesting to get the core dumps in the long run. | |
| [09:44] <Sweetshark> jibel: they should be generated by the build system then and might be rather helpful in debugging the issues ... | |
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| [10:56] <seb128> Laney, hey | |
| [10:56] <Laney> hiya! | |
| [10:56] <seb128> Laney, librhythmbox-core5_2.97-0ubuntu1_i386.deb contains librhythmbox-core.so.6 | |
| [10:56] <seb128> Laney, can you fix? | |
| [10:56] <Laney> args | |
| [10:56] <Laney> yes | |
| [10:57] <Laney> i'll merge it from debian, was going to do that anyway | |
| [10:57] <seb128> Laney, sorry for not spotting that when sponsoring, I just trusted the update and uploaded, I noticed today because it's in Debian NEW and I looked what binary changed | |
| [10:57] <seb128> Laney, thanks | |
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| [12:27] <valentin_mu> hi guys, i have problems with google earth package - i see corrupted chars everywhere, have no menu "File" | |
| [12:27] <valentin_mu> i tryed both deb from google and deb made by googleearth-package - they both have problems | |
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| [13:55] <cyphermox> seb128: mvo: re https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings . I'd like to start implementing the Drivers tab; but if it's all supposed to be stuff in our control center, seems like pretty high effort to reimplement the whole software-properties thing in g-c-c before being "able to" add drivers. | |
| [13:56] <cyphermox> OTOH, if the plan is to have this in software-properties for now, I guess it's much simpler | |
| [14:08] <seb128> cyphermox, can we embed python in g-c-c? I think we can't right? | |
| [14:08] <seb128> cyphermox, well I was not at the session at UDS, did we sign to make it a proper panel? | |
| [14:09] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you remember what was stupid us to make panels in i.e python? | |
| [14:10] <pitti> seb128: we didn't use the shell for a long time, so it didn't matter :) | |
| [14:10] <cyphermox> seb128: I have no idea on python in g-c-c | |
| [14:11] <cyphermox> seb128: ok, so from what I see in the blueprint perhaps I'm jumping ahead a little bit | |
| [14:11] <pitti> rodrigo_ looked into this, and AFAIR it was by and large "won't do" | |
| [14:11] <seb128> pitti, well I think the "embed python" was discussed for u1 or similar in oneiric | |
| [14:11] <cyphermox> there's no question of g-c-c in there, just software-properties | |
| [14:11] <seb128> cyphermox, I would say "implement the design in software-properties" to start, we can do the "port to a g-c-c panel" later one, I think we do that most of the code will be able to be reused | |
| [14:12] <cyphermox> yes, most likely | |
| [14:12] <seb128> pitti, do you remember if there was a technical limitation that blocked i.e python panels? | |
| [14:12] <pitti> seb128: I don't know the details, I'm afraid (I never did) | |
| [14:13] <seb128> pitti, I guess the loader code would need to be updated, it's loaded .so atm | |
| [14:13] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks | |
| [14:13] <seb128> cyphermox, so, yeah, forget about g-c-c in a first time | |
| [14:13] <cyphermox> g-c-what? | |
| [14:14] <dobey> gcc. not needed for python :) | |
| [14:15] <seb128> cyphermox, exactly ;-) | |
| [14:16] <cyphermox> gah, glade dies on me | |
| [14:20] <jbicha> hmm, gnome-documents recommends unoconv which needs python-uno which pulls in libreoffice-core & -common | |
| [14:23] <cyphermox> cute. | |
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| [15:04] <cyphermox> seb128: pitti: well, it's started; I'll get on looking at how I can display the information, but I'm keeping all in lp:~mathieu-tl/software-properties/additional-drivers | |
| [15:04] <seb128> cyphermox, great | |
| [15:04] <cyphermox> UI is already there | |
| [15:05] <seb128> cyphermox, you got glade to behave? ;-) | |
| [15:05] <cyphermox> yeah | |
| [15:05] <cyphermox> it was crashing because of the overlay scrollbars, somewhere in cairo | |
| [15:06] <cyphermox> thanks for reminding me, I should file a bug about this ;) | |
| [15:06] <seb128> you should yes! | |
| [15:22] <seb128> didrocks, chrisccoulson, Sweetshark, cyphermox, mlankhorst, Ursula, Laney, tkamppeter, mterry, kenvandine: 10 minutes before meeting if anyone has a topic to discuss | |
| [15:22] <didrocks> seems there is nothing planned on the wiki yet :) | |
| [15:23] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i really should add something to the wiki ;) | |
| [15:24] <chrisccoulson> can i assign someone bug 1010466? thanks! :-) | |
| [15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010466 in firefox "dropdown boxes on sites stop working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010466 | |
| [15:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you would feel jalous if we steal it from you :) | |
| [15:25] <chrisccoulson> heh, no, i wouldn't mind ;) | |
| [15:25] <kenvandine> seb128, no agenda items from me | |
| [15:25] * kenvandine is trying to get info for a partner update, but getting ignored | |
| [15:26] <chrisccoulson> heh | |
| [15:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you manage to reproduce? | |
| [15:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess reassign to micahg if he can reproduce it? | |
| [15:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, not yet. and none of the reporters have responded yet. i've tried using unity 2d all day, just in case ;) | |
| [15:28] <seb128> micahg, could you have a look to https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010466 if you are able to trigger the issue? we are not... | |
| [15:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1010466 in firefox "dropdown boxes on sites stop working" [Undecided,Incomplete] | |
| [15:28] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that makes sense | |
| [16:08] <micahg> seb128: I could only reproduce in thunderbird, and even then, I don't think it was every time | |
| [16:13] <seb128> micahg, can you try to see if you can get it again? it might be useful to have somebody around who can reproduce to get us debug infos at least | |
| [16:17] <micahg> seb128: sure | |
| [16:39] <chrisccoulson> the timestamps in X events are in units of milliseconds, aren't they? | |
| [16:39] <chrisccoulson> actually, may be one for #ubuntu-x | |
| [16:41] <bryceh> chrisccoulson, yep | |
| [16:41] <chrisccoulson> bryceh, ah, thanks :) | |
| [16:41] <chrisccoulson> (sorry, just asked on #ubuntu-x as well) ;) | |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3_ | |
| === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 | |
| [17:00] <didrocks> see you tomorrow guys! :) | |
| [17:11] <seb128> pitti, are you still around? | |
| [21:39] <bigon> pitti: I've seen you name in the consolekit changelog, so maybe you will have more clue than me | |
| [21:39] <bigon> are you around :)? | |
| [22:16] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell RAOF TheMuso just a reminder about the meeting, wiki and agenda items: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-06-12 | |
| [22:17] <jasoncwarner_> and bryceh ^^ | |
| [22:18] * bryceh waves | |
| [22:50] <chrisccoulson> howdy people from the other hemisphere | |
| [22:51] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Hey there. | |
| [22:51] <chrisccoulson> hi TheMuso, how are you? | |
| [22:51] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Nice catch re unity and C++ ABIs. | |
| [22:51] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Not too bad thanks, yourself? | |
| [22:51] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, that was a fun one. and i've spent all day today tracking down another nice bug :) | |
| [22:52] <chrisccoulson> other than that, i'm not too bad thanks | |
| [22:52] * TheMuso feels much more justified in not liking C++ to the point where he feels he'd rather not learn more than he absolutely has to. | |
| [22:53] <TheMuso> All this stuff that pops up with C++ ABIs and gcc issues every minor release puts me right off the language. | |
| [22:53] * micahg likes C++ much more than the PHP he used to work with | |
| [22:54] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, oh, C++ isn't too bad. it's the STL that sucks ;) | |
| [22:54] <TheMuso> Its not hard to be better than php. :) | |
| [22:55] <TheMuso> Yeah but thats rather heavily used afaik. | |
| [22:55] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso robert_ancell RAOF bryceh doesn't look like any agenda items...so no meeting. please update the wiki when you get a chance. | |
| [22:55] * micahg thought the purpose of the STL was to not have to reinvent the wheel | |
| [22:56] <chrisccoulson> the purpose of the STL is to make yourself suicidal :) | |
| [22:56] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Done thank, | |
| [22:56] <TheMuso> thanks | |
| [22:57] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, thanks | |