| [02:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the nice polite reply yofel got from the release guy you don't want criticized. Sure, it's a thankless job, but he seems hostile to most any kind of feedback. | |
| [02:54] <afiestas> ScottK: :D | |
| [02:54] <afiestas> people who does that kind of job are usually the happiear on earth :p | |
| [03:22] <ScottK> afiestas: I find it very demotivating when the new KDE release guy decides, without discussion, to 'cancel' a KDE beta based on something needing to be packaged from a git snapshot. | |
| [03:22] <ScottK> In our case the pointless delay cost us Kubuntu Quantal Alpha 1. | |
| [03:37] <JontheEchidna> "Maybe in the future threatening to cancel the release will cause people moving house to drop everything and do volunteer FOSS stuff" | |
| [03:39] <ScottK> Maybe. | |
| [06:33] <eagles0513875> morning all :) | |
| [06:34] <eagles0513875> hey guys I'm trying to assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/998630 to the kubuntu-dev team, would i need to be a member to be able to assign the bug to kubuntu-dev's | |
| [06:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] | |
| [08:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have a date to hold the kubuntu council vote? I'm wondering about a meeting before it to do the constitution and UDS review | |
| [09:45] * Riddell adds kubuntu-dev-server script to kubuntu-dev-tools for setting up an ec2 instance | |
| [09:49] <Stecchino> If anyone from Blue systems is in: both contact@blue-systems.com as contact@blue-systems.de fails | |
| [09:50] <Riddell> Stecchino: passed on | |
| [09:57] <Mamarok> his uncle is president of Schalke 04 football club | |
| [09:59] <Riddell> nuff stalking | |
| [10:00] <Mamarok> sorry :( | |
| [10:03] <Ezim> schalke is a good football club :) | |
| [10:03] <Ezim> gelsenkirchen | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> Stecchino: try now | |
| === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz | |
| [10:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: sunday IIRC | |
| [10:51] <apachelogger> that is sunday to sunday | |
| [10:52] <Riddell> hum so might be able to hold one before then | |
| [10:55] <apachelogger> if it is really necessary.... | |
| [10:55] <apachelogger> mind that the parting members do only time out on june 21 | |
| [10:57] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr | |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr | |
| [11:01] <jussi> doodled | |
| [11:01] <apachelogger> ah right | |
| [11:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: we need to do the UDS stuff anyway, that right now blocks our task tracking | |
| [11:02] <apachelogger> only approved specs get in, everything else is already set up | |
| [11:08] * Mamarok wonders if the kubuntu PPA is still working, or are there simply no precise updates available? | |
| [11:09] <Riddell> debfx is onto the 4.8.4 update | |
| [11:10] <Mamarok> oh, cool | |
| [11:10] <Mamarok> any work in progress for 4.9 beta packages? | |
| [11:10] <Mamarok> yofel_: ^ ? | |
| [11:11] <Riddell> 4.8.4 is still in ninjas | |
| [11:11] <Riddell> 4.8.80 is also still in ninjas | |
| [11:11] <Riddell> I've been faffing with ec2 stuff | |
| [11:11] <Mamarok> OK, nice | |
| [11:11] <apachelogger> .4 is done IIRC | |
| [11:12] <apachelogger> at least debfx said something like that yesterday | |
| [11:12] <apachelogger> or I am imagining things ^^ | |
| [11:12] <Mamarok> I prefer packages rather than building the beta myself, and we have the beta testing this weekend in #kde-quality | |
| [11:12] * apachelogger kindly ponts out that the merge process as part of a kde release is not documented and pokes yofel_ | |
| [11:13] <Ezim> apachelogger, do you know if pulseaudio+kwin cracky/choopy sound after playin around is fixed with 4.8.4? | |
| [11:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, btw | |
| [11:13] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus amarok | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> amarok: | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> powerpc Successfully built | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> i386 Successfully built | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> armhf Successfully built | |
| [11:13] <kubotu> armel Successfully built... | |
| [11:13] <apachelogger> Ezim: I would not know | |
| [11:14] <Ezim> apachelogger, okey.. np | |
| [11:14] <apachelogger> Ezim: did you actually identify the misbehaving component yet? | |
| [11:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: ooh more irc goodness | |
| [11:15] <Ezim> apachelogger, no I did not really.. I tried different phonon backend | |
| [11:15] <Ezim> did not help. | |
| [11:16] <Ezim> I also tried pulseaudio 2 from repo, did not help. | |
| [11:16] <apachelogger> Ezim: then how could I possibly tell you :P | |
| [11:16] <Ezim> I tried veromix did not help. | |
| [11:16] <apachelogger> Ezim: I'd talk to coling in #kde-multimedia | |
| [11:16] <apachelogger> or drop him a mail colin@mageia.org | |
| [11:16] <Ezim> to "fix" the sound weirdness I did use alsa, but that was not really my purpose. | |
| [11:17] <Ezim> apachelogger, okey... it works just fine under mageia/fedora/debian | |
| [11:18] <Ezim> I am testing zevenos neptune (debian based distro) it works also there... | |
| [11:18] <Ezim> so I feel it is something in kubuntu that is broken | |
| [11:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: are holidays in the UK? | |
| [11:22] <apachelogger> Ezim: instead of testing you could talk to colin | |
| [11:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: today? it's a bank holiday for most people in the UK yes | |
| [11:23] <apachelogger> ah | |
| [11:24] <Ezim> apachelogger, will do that later on... hard to do that when I do not have kubuntu installed at the moment.. | |
| [11:24] <apachelogger> epxlains why no one wants to talk to me about launchpad ^^ | |
| [11:30] <yofel_> apachelogger: it would be good if buildstatus could tell the version. I guess that's amarok from quantal, but that's ambigous when someone does an upload | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [11:30] <yofel> as for merge process, a proper documentation would require the debian team to have the packaging in a consistent state, which isn't the case usually | |
| [11:31] <yofel> this time we merged from git, and even there only a few things as they're really lagging behind | |
| [11:31] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, thought the same thing | |
| [11:31] <apachelogger> yofel: also it should print one line | |
| [11:31] <apachelogger> don't quite know how to do that in python tho | |
| [11:32] <apachelogger> in ruby as in C print does not linebreak, no clue why it does in buildstatus | |
| [11:32] <yofel> well, as long as it's only for a single package a few lines are tolerable | |
| [11:37] <apachelogger> nah | |
| [11:37] <apachelogger> what if you query two packages | |
| [11:37] <apachelogger> or 3 :P | |
| [11:37] <apachelogger> multiline output is always evil | |
| [11:37] <apachelogger> except in a party case | |
| [11:37] <yofel> well, ok | |
| [11:38] <apachelogger> or when apachelogger uses multiline instead of punctuation :P | |
| [11:43] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokegen] Philip Muškovac * 33 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball | |
| [11:43] <apachelogger> kubotu: newversion 1 2 | |
| [11:43] <kubotu> Package 1 doesn't exist yet! | |
| [11:49] <CIA-44> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/smokeqt] Philip Muškovac * 27 * debian/changelog new upstream tarball | |
| [11:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage plasma-widget-redshift 0.4 http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Redshift+plasmoid?content=148737 | |
| [11:51] <apachelogger> I broke it \o/ | |
| [11:51] <apachelogger> User does not have sufficient permissions to edit the bug task importance. | |
| [11:51] <yofel> it crashes on that? | |
| [11:51] <yofel> it didn't in the past... | |
| [11:51] <apachelogger> no | |
| [11:52] <apachelogger> but it does not output the url | |
| [11:52] <apachelogger> oh | |
| [11:52] <yofel> uh, that can only happen when it crashes... | |
| [11:52] <apachelogger> throws httperror it seems | |
| [11:52] <yofel> -.- | |
| [11:52] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/493382/ | |
| [11:54] <apachelogger> yofel: | |
| [11:54] <yofel> sec | |
| [11:55] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/493394/ | |
| [11:55] <apachelogger> yofel: ^ | |
| [11:55] <yofel> yeah, something like that | |
| [11:55] <apachelogger> yofel: oh, I think [description] should be additional to the standard message btw | |
| [11:56] <apachelogger> defaultDescription << "\n\n" << description | |
| [11:56] <apachelogger> or something | |
| [11:56] <yofel> hm, I wanted to leave it to the user, but indeed makes sense to append it for the bot... | |
| [11:57] <apachelogger> even for the user it makes sense | |
| [11:58] <apachelogger> the defautl info is always useful | |
| [11:58] <apachelogger> I would not want to write that manually and then add more stuff ^^ | |
| [11:58] <yofel> sure, and it's less code actually | |
| [12:00] * apachelogger tries to get the bot in bugcontrol | |
| [12:01] <apachelogger> yofel: I wonder... can't one set the importance at report time? | |
| [12:01] <apachelogger> or is that just for bugcontrol members | |
| [12:01] <yofel> bugcontrol | |
| [12:02] <apachelogger> k | |
| [12:03] <apachelogger> oh actually | |
| [12:03] <apachelogger> staging is up again | |
| [12:03] <yofel> done | |
| [12:04] <yofel> yeah, just a tad slow | |
| [12:04] <yofel> as always | |
| [12:04] <apachelogger> yofel: could you move the code to bzr or something? | |
| [12:04] * apachelogger currently needs to manually cherry pick | |
| [12:04] <yofel> sure, want in k-d-t? | |
| [12:04] <apachelogger> yah, should be fine | |
| [12:06] <yofel> added | |
| [12:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foo 1.0 | |
| [12:08] <kubotu> Package foo already exists! | |
| [12:08] <apachelogger> ah | |
| [12:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foobar 1.0 | |
| [12:08] <yofel> o.O | |
| [12:08] <kubotu> Package foobar already exists! | |
| [12:08] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foobarmybooty 1.0 | |
| [12:08] <kubotu> https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/bugs/971243 | |
| [12:08] <ubottu> Error: malone bug 971243 not found | |
| [12:09] <apachelogger> tsimpson: ^ should ignore bugs.staging | |
| [12:12] <CIA-44> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121203-xh443n62lp32cjb7 * (5 files in 3 dirs) * Add pull-ninjas-source to download packages from the kubuntu-ninjas PPA. * Add newpackage script to file packaging bugs on LP | |
| [12:14] <CIA-44> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121314-o9qefpsgkdsaz7ng * bin/newpackage explicitly specify argument names for login and make cred path usable explict specifying allows changing only the first name to switch from desktop wide cred sharing to per-app | |
| [12:15] <yofel> ooops, yeah | |
| [12:16] <yofel> apachelogger: = missing in line 60? | |
| [12:17] <CIA-44> [kubuntu-dev-tools] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605121708-j7vzk7nafk5c367h * bin/newpackage add missing = | |
| [12:17] <yofel> and see if ~ works, IIRC you need to wrap that in os.path.expanduser(...) | |
| [12:18] <yofel> unless they changed that | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> yah | |
| [12:18] <apachelogger> still integrating | |
| [12:18] <yofel> actually, see kopypackages, there I did it properly | |
| [12:19] <apachelogger> I do't get the code there | |
| [12:19] <apachelogger> plz fix :P | |
| [12:20] <apachelogger> actually | |
| [12:20] <yofel> lol, that's just pythonized mkdir -p | |
| [12:20] <apachelogger> all our scripts should have an envrionment override for that crap TBH | |
| [12:20] <yofel> oh, good idea | |
| [12:20] <apachelogger> then I do not need to carry a diff | |
| [12:21] <apachelogger> also for application_name vs. consumer_name | |
| [12:21] <yofel> which probably *should* be in a lib | |
| [12:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan | |
| [12:21] <kubotu> saving ... | |
| [12:21] <kubotu> rescanning ... | |
| [12:21] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | |
| [12:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> bug! | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan | |
| [12:23] <kubotu> saving ... | |
| [12:23] <kubotu> rescanning ... | |
| [12:23] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | |
| [12:23] <apachelogger> bug! | |
| [12:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage foobar1234 1 | |
| [12:25] <apachelogger> hm | |
| [12:27] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 143 * bin/newpackage cleanup | |
| [12:29] <apachelogger> yofel: <kubotu> HTTPError: Package foobar not published in Ubuntu | |
| [12:29] <apachelogger> httperror? | |
| [12:30] <yofel> weird | |
| [12:30] <apachelogger> stating that is | |
| [12:30] <yofel> ah, *that*'s what I was originally catching to see if a package was published | |
| [12:30] <yofel> now to find out why source isn't None anymore | |
| [12:31] <apachelogger> bot switched to production again, all should be good now \o/ | |
| [12:31] <apachelogger> actually | |
| [12:31] <apachelogger> just had an idea | |
| [12:33] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 144 * bin/newpackage make sure the folder for the credentials file exists before using it | |
| [12:34] <Stecchino> Speaking about betas. Is anyone packaging Amarok 2.6 beta 1 yet? | |
| [12:34] <Stecchino> http://download.kde.org/unstable/amarok/2.5.90/src/amarok-2.5.90.tar.bz2.mirrorlist | |
| [12:34] <Stecchino> simple s/2.4.90/2.5.90/g should work | |
| [12:35] <Stecchino> and if the nl-i18n patch was used before: only needed for kdelibs <= 4.7. | |
| [12:35] <Stecchino> *4.7.3 | |
| [12:38] <yofel> hm, smoke still fails to build with new soprano -.- | |
| [12:39] <apachelogger> https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/971249 | |
| [12:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 971249 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "SysPanel projects list lacks error handling if underlying service unavailable" [Medium,Fix released] | |
| [12:39] <Riddell> bug 1008645 | |
| [12:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1008645 in amarok (Ubuntu) "Please upgrade amarok to 2.5.90" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008645 | |
| [12:39] <Riddell> Stecchino: still on the todo list | |
| [12:39] <apachelogger> Stecchino, Riddell: will get on it in a bit | |
| [12:40] <Stecchino> ok | |
| [12:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan | |
| [12:40] <kubotu> saving ... | |
| [12:40] <kubotu> rescanning ... | |
| [12:41] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load | |
| [12:41] <apachelogger> Stecchino: any objections to switching releaseme to xz? | |
| [12:41] <Stecchino> apachelogger: xz? | |
| [12:41] <apachelogger> the compression tool | |
| [12:41] <apachelogger> rather than bzip2 | |
| [12:42] <apachelogger> xz being better at compressing and faster at decompressing | |
| [12:42] <apachelogger> already used for kde sc releases | |
| [12:42] <Stecchino> apachelogger: does compression matter of convenience? | |
| [12:42] <Stecchino> if xz comes standard I don't care | |
| [12:42] <apachelogger> well, the tars are smaller = less traffic | |
| [12:43] <apachelogger> Stecchino: has been in distros for 3 years at least | |
| [12:43] <Stecchino> then go ahead | |
| [12:43] <apachelogger> kk | |
| [12:43] <Riddell> it's what KDE SC uses | |
| [12:43] <Stecchino> but as far as releaseme feature requests go. I want to to be git oriented | |
| [12:43] * apachelogger switches newpackage to production | |
| [12:43] <Stecchino> to confusing with the docs talking mostely about svn | |
| [12:43] <apachelogger> Stecchino: I have a rewrite for that | |
| [12:44] <apachelogger> Stecchino: docs are about translations of the same :P | |
| [12:44] <apachelogger> which are in svn | |
| [12:44] <Stecchino> yeah, but the --help does not mentions svn is about docs | |
| [12:44] <Stecchino> we should not have to know how translations are set up basically | |
| [12:45] <Stecchino> it's to complicated and subject to change anyway | |
| [12:45] <apachelogger> I am sure the i18n leaders disagree on the not having to know anything about it :P | |
| [12:45] <Stecchino> pfeh | |
| [12:46] <Stecchino> I write strings in US-en and wrap them in approriate i18n*()s that is as much as I need to know about i18n | |
| [12:46] <apachelogger> Stecchino: as I said, i18n will disagree | |
| [12:47] * apachelogger also disagrees but does not care enoguh to argue :P | |
| [12:47] <Stecchino> they are also the ones who made is so complicated and badly documented, so I guess there would be more dissagreements | |
| [12:48] * apachelogger actuallyw onders how gnome does it | |
| [12:48] <Riddell> in gnome the translations are in the source archive | |
| [12:48] <Riddell> not separated | |
| [12:48] <apachelogger> ok, so... update testing then amarok packaging | |
| [12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: and we don't want that? | |
| [12:48] <apachelogger> although I can see the management advantage in not having that | |
| [12:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: it means the translators have to go searching for them rather than the programmers. geneerally programmers are better at searching repositories than translators | |
| [12:49] <apachelogger> particularly since due to the SC the apps are actually not as independent as they are in gnome | |
| [12:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, they would always be kde:foo/po/ | |
| [12:50] <apachelogger> so I do believe git being a pain in the bum is the greater barrier there | |
| [12:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I still think we should have used a bootsplash without logo, would look better | |
| [12:53] <yofel> people think in pictures, so I believe most people do like the logo on that | |
| [12:53] <apachelogger> from a branding perspective | |
| [12:53] <apachelogger> from an artistic pov it would look better with just the dots | |
| [12:54] <yofel> from an artisitic pov it would look better if you would use the gear parts as dots | |
| [12:54] <apachelogger> no it wouldn't | |
| [12:55] <apachelogger> it's because of the background | |
| [12:55] <apachelogger> it lacks drama | |
| [12:55] <apachelogger> so if you put blinking gears on it it will look like crap | |
| [12:55] <yofel> well, if you remove the logo, at least make the dots larger. On a high resolution it looks crappy with just the dots | |
| [12:55] <apachelogger> yah | |
| [12:56] <apachelogger> tho I have only ever seen a highres boot myself ^^ | |
| [12:56] <Riddell> we do get complaints about not having enough branding quite a bit | |
| [12:56] <Riddell> but it's so unimportant to me | |
| [12:57] <apachelogger> well, what can you brand without redoing the entire artwork set? | |
| [12:58] <apachelogger> right now you could only change the color of the wallpaper as putting a logo on there would not work at all (due to the stripes) | |
| [12:59] <Riddell> yeah I'm thinking about stuff like the K menu | |
| [12:59] <apachelogger> then you could swap the start-here-kde icon for start-here-kubuntu | |
| [12:59] <Riddell> anyway, I don't want that | |
| [12:59] <apachelogger> + | |
| [12:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is nothing beyond those two anyway | |
| [13:00] <Riddell> it was also commented at cebit by kde promo people that they didn't give away CDs because they had non-KDE branding on | |
| [13:00] <apachelogger> there is no point in changing the plasma theme as that is part transparent anyway and going away from oxygen window/widget systle would take away snazzyness IMHO | |
| [13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is an unhealthy attitude | |
| [13:01] <apachelogger> what would they like to give away? a cd with source tars? | |
| [13:01] <Riddell> I agree | |
| [13:02] <Riddell> ekhart's point was they were demoing kde then shouldn't give away something with non-kde bits on it. I said use kubuntu then that'll solve the issue | |
| [13:02] <apachelogger> afiestas: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopLf2541.png | |
| [13:02] <apachelogger> I fix one issue and another pops up -.- | |
| [13:02] <apachelogger> akonadi-- | |
| [13:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I understand his point, but it is not practical as KDE produces building blocks for a larger system | |
| [13:04] <apachelogger> hence my comment about giving away source tars | |
| [13:05] * apachelogger wonders what akonotes is | |
| [13:05] <apachelogger> what I do not get | |
| [13:05] <apachelogger> why does it tell me about the missing folders rather than create them | |
| [13:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have to have the date on by default? | |
| [13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not sure, we should do but I suspect we don't | |
| [13:07] <Riddell> probably an upstream change at some point in the past | |
| [13:07] <apachelogger> sebas was that | |
| [13:07] <apachelogger> then I annoyed him for like a month to fix the data appearance | |
| [13:07] <apachelogger> never happened | |
| [13:07] <Riddell> a baltix conspiracy! | |
| [13:07] * Riddell out for an hour | |
| [13:08] <apachelogger> (also I personally believe it looks better without it anyway) | |
| [13:19] <BluesKaj> hi all | |
| [13:25] <ScottK> Riddell: Is the meeting doodle UTC or local TZ? | |
| [13:25] <apachelogger> 2.6~beta1-1 | |
| [13:25] <apachelogger> wtf | |
| [13:36] <apachelogger> Start in 6 hours | |
| [13:36] <apachelogger> ... | |
| [13:37] <apachelogger> i386 18 1134 jobs (11 hours) | |
| [13:37] <apachelogger> all filled up with daily crap | |
| [13:37] * apachelogger puts bug report on his todo | |
| [13:41] <apachelogger> debfx: * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang. | |
| [13:41] <apachelogger> what was the rationale for that? | |
| [13:56] <eagles0513875> yofel: thanks for packaging the menubar :) updating now going to try and test it for you agateau :) | |
| [13:56] <yofel> thank JontheEchidna, he uploaded it, I'll try to get this fixed in precise as well | |
| [13:58] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: thanks testing the menubar fix :) hopefully that has done the trick | |
| [13:59] <eagles0513875> and sadly i still have no menubar :( | |
| [13:59] <eagles0513875> still in the same state as yesterday :( | |
| [13:59] <yofel> eagles0513875: which release are you on? | |
| [13:59] <eagles0513875> 18 | |
| [13:59] <yofel> er, kubuntu release I mean | |
| [13:59] <Stecchino> so qt 4.8.2 ./configure claims I don't have make. Something changed in precise? | |
| [13:59] <eagles0513875> 12.10 | |
| [13:59] <yofel> hm | |
| [13:59] <apachelogger> yofel: do you know the rationale behind : * Move localized handbooks into own packages named amarok-help-$lang | |
| [14:00] <yofel> apachelogger: cd space | |
| [14:00] <apachelogger> but why invididual packages? | |
| [14:00] <apachelogger> Stecchino: sudo apt-get build-dep qt4-x11? | |
| [14:00] <yofel> dunno, Riddell ^ | |
| [14:00] <apachelogger> Riddell is out | |
| [14:00] <eagles0513875> so far yofel it has eliminated the crash but still no menu should i remove my .kde folder? | |
| [14:00] <Stecchino> apachelogger: yeah, I really am missing make ;) | |
| [14:00] <apachelogger> oh well, cannot finish amarok merge without having that resolved | |
| [14:01] <apachelogger> debian introduced -doc | |
| [14:01] <yofel> eagles0513875: ah, I fear I don't know how to resolve that | |
| [14:01] <apachelogger> so it would be good if the changelog stated why we need the help crap :P | |
| [14:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do you know if the doodle for the meeting is set up to be UTC or local time? | |
| [14:01] <apachelogger> also why it was called help to begin with ^^ | |
| [14:01] <eagles0513875> agateau: any idea? i am on 18 now and i still have no menu just like yesterday | |
| [14:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: utc unless you are logged in I think | |
| [14:02] <ScottK> OK. I'm logged in, so I guess it's local. | |
| [14:02] <ScottK> Thanks. | |
| [14:02] <apachelogger> actually | |
| [14:02] <apachelogger> might not be adapting | |
| [14:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: what's your first time and date? | |
| [14:02] <apachelogger> utc is 1600 on june 6 | |
| [14:02] <ScottK> June 6 at 1600. | |
| [14:02] <apachelogger> always utc then | |
| [14:02] <ScottK> Thanks. | |
| [14:03] <agateau> eagles0513875: your bar got away while you were still running 0.1.17, so it's related to another upgrade/change. Stupid question: is the widget still present in your panel? | |
| [14:03] <eagles0513875> agateau: yes it is but the focus is lets say on tabs from chromium or anything else that i have up on my screen | |
| [14:04] <ScottK> OK. Doodled. | |
| [14:04] <ScottK> Riddell: unping. | |
| [14:05] <eagles0513875> agateau: is there a way i can attached the menu bar to a debugger or something to see actually whats going on ? | |
| [14:05] <agateau> eagles0513875: does it only fail with chromium? | |
| [14:06] <eagles0513875> it fails on login and before the fix it was failing when i was using dolphin and accessing an external hard drive and even failing at random | |
| [14:06] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: gdb can attach to running processes | |
| [14:06] <apachelogger> sudo gdb | |
| [14:06] <apachelogger> then attach $PID | |
| [14:06] <apachelogger> where $PID is pidof plasma-desktop | |
| [14:06] <ScottK> (or netbook) | |
| [14:06] <apachelogger> mind that you want to set a break point tho | |
| [14:07] <eagles0513875> and i think it just crashed for me | |
| [14:07] <eagles0513875> at least now i can get a back trace if its related to it i don't know but will attach it in the bug for you agateau | |
| [14:08] <apachelogger> (side note: attaching is super useful when an application locks up as a backtrace while locked usually tells clearly where/why ;)) | |
| [14:08] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: this happened just as i was about to attached | |
| [14:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I was wondering ... perhaps we should turn off apport notifications in releases? | |
| [14:09] <agateau> eagles0513875: if you see menubars with other applications like Dolphin or Kwrite but it fails with chromium, then something is wrong with chromium | |
| [14:09] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: did you already run the attach command? | |
| [14:09] <agateau> eagles0513875: I am afraid I don't know how appmenu support works inchromium | |
| [14:09] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: sadly not i was trying to find the process to attach to | |
| [14:10] <eagles0513875> agateau: it doesn't work with any application | |
| [14:10] * apachelogger points out that an application cannot/shouldnt crash while attach is doing its magic as the first thing gdb does is interrupt execution | |
| [14:10] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: ah k | |
| [14:10] <apachelogger> Stecchino: did the videoclip applet get removed? | |
| [14:11] <Stecchino> apachelogger: possibly | |
| [14:11] <Stecchino> there was talk | |
| [14:11] <Stecchino> checking | |
| [14:13] <Stecchino> apachelogger: src/context/applets/videoclip is empty | |
| [14:13] <Stecchino> so guess so | |
| [14:13] <apachelogger> cheers | |
| [14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopuP2541.png | |
| [14:14] <apachelogger> you put the desktop files in the wrong package | |
| [14:15] <debfx> apachelogger: saving space on the cd images | |
| [14:15] <apachelogger> debfx: yes, but why invidual packages? | |
| [14:15] <apachelogger> rather than a grand unified -doc | |
| [14:15] <apachelogger> or rather... would we want to keep the invidual things vs. debian's -doc | |
| [14:16] <debfx> some of them are huge | |
| [14:17] <apachelogger> debfx: so we put some of them on the CD? | |
| [14:17] <debfx> yes | |
| [14:17] <debfx> I think we should keep the individual packages | |
| [14:18] <debfx> unless the docs size considerably decreased in the new release | |
| [14:19] <apachelogger> terribly unlikely | |
| [14:19] <debfx> or maybe we should just ship an audio player that is not bloatware | |
| [14:19] <apachelogger> lol | |
| [14:19] <apachelogger> what about good documentation is bloatware? | |
| [14:20] <jtechidna> apachelogger: apport itself controls whether or not it gets showed | |
| [14:20] <apachelogger> jtechidna: not if there are pending reports I guess | |
| [14:20] <debfx> not the documentation, the application itself | |
| [14:20] <apachelogger> or we should silently discard them if apport is turned off? | |
| [14:20] <apachelogger> jtechidna: just noticed the other day that on a new user I got apport reports | |
| [14:21] <apachelogger> supposedly old ones as I always have the notifications turned off on my user | |
| [14:21] <apachelogger> (all the notifications :P) | |
| [14:21] <debfx> though if you need >10MB to explain how an audio player works, maybe that is a problem | |
| [14:22] * apachelogger notes that amarok is not an audio player | |
| [14:22] <apachelogger> Phonon::createPlayer is an audio player | |
| [14:22] <apachelogger> amarok is an audio playback management software | |
| [14:22] <apachelogger> fastly different :things P | |
| [14:22] <debfx> aka bloatware | |
| [14:23] <apachelogger> depends on the POV | |
| [14:23] <eagles0513875> ok guys i updated bug 998630 with the latest back trace which I'm starting to wonder if its related to the bug or not and i have no idea how to determine what the cause is if its not plasma-desktop | |
| [14:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 998630 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu Precise) "plasma netbook shell crashes on kubuntu 12.04 and 12.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/998630 | |
| [14:23] <apachelogger> brrr | |
| [14:24] <Quintasan_> WHY THIS IS CONSTANTLY BROKEN? | |
| [14:24] <Quintasan_> WHY | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> NOTE: all quantal images are oversized | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> debfx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.manifest | |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> we do not ship any help packages | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> so why are they split like that? | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: \o/ | |
| [14:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: where have you been, I missed you :( | |
| [14:24] <Quintasan> I !@#%@$! install a clean Precise and I still get no freaking sound in mplayer | |
| [14:24] <Quintasan> CAN'T WE JUST KILL IT WITH FIRE? | |
| [14:24] <debfx> apachelogger: we can now | |
| [14:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: mplayer? | |
| [14:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: y u use mplayer? | |
| [14:25] <Quintasan> What should I use? inb4vlc | |
| [14:25] <Quintasan> it sucks with 10bit encodes | |
| [14:25] <apachelogger> VLC!!$!!!#$!!@$@$ | |
| [14:25] <apachelogger> Quintasan: 10 bit encodes? | |
| [14:25] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: here here i use it on all my systems even those that aren't linux :D | |
| [14:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I have been taking a break | |
| [14:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: h.264 10bit encoded video | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: u better had, thanks to you I get free hardware and trips to paris :P | |
| [14:26] <eagles0513875> haha | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and that does not work in vlc? | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> u kidding me? | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> did you encode the video? | |
| [14:26] <Quintasan> I was getting some nice green squares on the video | |
| [14:26] <eagles0513875> wait apachelogger i remember hearing there were issues which were never fixed in regards to 10 bit encoding | |
| [14:26] <apachelogger> because quite honestly if vlc fails to play it then something is seriously wrong with the encoding | |
| [14:27] <BluesKaj> VLC is the most configurable media player , it does what what you set it to do , it does use the negative option defaults like so many others | |
| [14:27] <apachelogger> that is to say the used libraries are excelent, thus allowing the superior playback ;) | |
| [14:27] <BluesKaj> er doesn't use | |
| [14:27] <Quintasan> Something is clearly not right with VLC if mplayer can decode the video | |
| [14:27] <eagles0513875> agateau: i updated the bug report and basically at this point I'm at a total loss what else to try short of deleting my .kde folder | |
| [14:27] <apachelogger> Quintasan: vlc -vvv $FILE -> #videolan | |
| [14:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger: But I'm not talking about the video | |
| [14:28] <Quintasan> The question is why the hell I don't get any sound? | |
| [14:28] <apachelogger> debfx: no we cannot because the images are already oversized | |
| [14:28] <Quintasan> So, amarok plays music with no problems | |
| [14:28] <agateau> eagles0513875: try this: open a terminal, then type "plasmoidviewer menubar". Do you get a window with a menubar? | |
| [14:28] <apachelogger> so unless there is some actual rationale to this than a theoretical future use I do not see why we should keep 300 additional packages over debian | |
| [14:28] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: you checked under audio and the audio track to make sure its set right | |
| [14:28] <Quintasan> Either we are doing something wrong with our mplayer2 package in Ubuntu or PulseAudio is shit | |
| [14:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: vlc -vvv | |
| [14:29] <apachelogger> I am not going t guess why some random file produces no audio | |
| [14:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Do I install vlc from repos or I have to bother looking for some magical deb? | |
| [14:30] <apachelogger> repos | |
| [14:30] <apachelogger> dunno if they are any good though, I have my own vlc build | |
| [14:30] <apachelogger> seeing how popular vlc is I suppose the packages should be goody ;) | |
| [14:31] <Quintasan> Seeing all those encoders of my *cough* legally acquired*cough* don't recommend VLC I'm still reluctant to use it | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we still use replaces alongside breaks? | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: keep using your broken software then | |
| [14:32] <apachelogger> mplayer like too many multimedia apps has spooky code | |
| [14:32] <Quintasan> >plays everything fine when using alsa | |
| [14:32] <Quintasan> >suddenly doesnt work when pulse comes into play | |
| [14:33] <Quintasan> >2012 | |
| [14:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: mplayer. | |
| [14:33] <Quintasan> Can we stop having over 9000 abstraction layers | |
| [14:33] <Quintasan> mplayer2 | |
| [14:33] <apachelogger> spooky code remains spooky code even if you append a 2 | |
| [14:33] <apachelogger> see amarok :P | |
| [14:34] <eagles0513875> amarok rocks for playing audio and streaming | |
| [14:34] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: i think i remember someone telling me thats is an ongoing known bug with 10bit | |
| [14:34] <eagles0513875> and vlc | |
| [14:34] <Quintasan> apachelogger: And you are the Multimedia Overlord in lands of KDE? | |
| [14:34] <eagles0513875> might have to go dig through their bug tracker i don't know the bug off the top of my head | |
| [14:34] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: he just doesn't wanna use vlc | |
| [14:34] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes, use gstreamer | |
| [14:34] <eagles0513875> O_O who wouldn't want to use it | |
| [14:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: And you bash your music player? Go and fix it now | |
| [14:35] <apachelogger> if it does not work there you can shout at shadeslayer or tdfischer | |
| [14:35] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no, I am fixing dragon | |
| [14:35] <Quintasan> But that's even worse | |
| [14:35] <apachelogger> not anymore | |
| [14:35] <apachelogger> even plays bluray now | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> and doesn't show stupid white windows when stopping, and resumes videos properly (again).... | |
| [14:36] * apachelogger fixed like 7000 bugs in a week | |
| [14:36] <Quintasan> *shrug* | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> it still has spooky code though | |
| [14:36] <Quintasan> The only viable media player for Linux - Amarok 2 is now working like shit here | |
| [14:36] <Quintasan> 300mb in ram when idle | |
| [14:36] <Quintasan> seriously? | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> lol | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> Stecchino: you should get yourself an apachelogger ;) | |
| [14:37] <eagles0513875> haha i could use an apachelogger too lol :P | |
| [14:37] <Tm_T> Quintasan: huh? | |
| [14:38] * apachelogger points out that he was annoyed by the fact that dragon needed ~1 second to start and now has a branch that makes it start almost instantly even with dbg symbols :P | |
| [14:38] <Quintasan> Tm_T: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopnV2056.png | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think you are leaking | |
| [14:38] <Quintasan> Hi there Amarok | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> also 25% cpu is no fun business | |
| [14:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think you should look at what we ship | |
| [14:38] <Quintasan> This is a freaking clean install | |
| [14:39] <Quintasan> I even got rid of every dotdir in my $HOME | |
| [14:39] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopOV2541.png | |
| [14:39] <eagles0513875> I'm wondering if my menu issue i should get rid of the .kde menu apachelogger would that hurt anything? | |
| [14:39] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: how much ram does your system have? | |
| [14:39] <Quintasan> 8GB | |
| [14:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: as long as you only move it and don't rm-rf it | |
| [14:40] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: I mean, if it doesn't help you can always move it back | |
| [14:40] <Quintasan> You think I would be able to pbuild in tmpfs with any less? :P | |
| [14:40] <eagles0513875> what does it contain anyway | |
| [14:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: paste me the advanced memory info for amarok plz | |
| [14:40] <Quintasan> apachelogger: If I'm leaking and package is not bugged then what the hell is wrong | |
| [14:41] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: could it be nepomuk eating up resources | |
| [14:41] <apachelogger> also full details of that plz | |
| [14:41] <Quintasan> >advanced memory info | |
| [14:41] <Quintasan> How do I into that? | |
| [14:41] <Quintasan> Bug report assistant? | |
| [14:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: in ksysguard right click amarok | |
| [14:41] <apachelogger> then scroll down to full details and open that | |
| [14:42] <apachelogger> then seelect all and copy | |
| [14:42] * apachelogger thinks that features needs an export function | |
| [14:43] <apachelogger> oho | |
| [14:43] <apachelogger> that even is a qwebview | |
| [14:43] <yofel> hm... somone got a better class name than 'Klp' for a launchpad class in KubuntuDevTools/launchpad.py? I'm incredibly uncreative today -.- | |
| [14:43] <agateau> eagles0513875: have you tried what I asked you? | |
| [14:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://wklej.org/id/767480/ | |
| [14:44] <Quintasan> apachelogger: My thoughts exactly for export function | |
| [14:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could file a bug about it :P | |
| [14:44] <eagles0513875> agateau: ok this is odd I'm doing a ps -aux grep plasma-desktop and nothing is coming up | |
| [14:45] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you are not doing a collection scan right now, do you? | |
| [14:45] <Quintasan> no | |
| [14:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Besides, it couldn't possibly last more than 6 hours, could it? | |
| [14:45] <agateau> eagles0513875: that does not answer my question | |
| [14:46] <eagles0513875> oops sry agateau missed the last thing you wanted me to try I'm going to try it now | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not likely | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: pulseaudio is active? | |
| [14:46] <Quintasan> I think it is | |
| [14:46] <Quintasan> Otherwise I would probably get no sound | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> rodger | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> so either gstreamer or amarok is leaking here | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how long has it been running? | |
| [14:46] <apachelogger> 421040 KB [heap] | |
| [14:47] <eagles0513875> agateau: with plasmoidviewer menubar all i get is a white box no menubar | |
| [14:47] <Quintasan> I went to bed while the music was playing | |
| [14:47] <apachelogger> with vlc I have half of that heap | |
| [14:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think 6-7 hours | |
| [14:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so it was playing through the nigth? | |
| [14:47] <agateau> eagles0513875: have you focused any application? | |
| [14:48] <eagles0513875> any application i focus all isee is the chromium tab in focus :-/ | |
| [14:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Yeah, it was still playing when I got up so I stopped the playback because I wouldn't be using the pc anymore | |
| [14:48] <apachelogger> right | |
| [14:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: get a massif log please | |
| [14:48] <Quintasan> what on | |
| [14:48] <apachelogger> amarok | |
| [14:49] <apachelogger> play -> wait 10 seconds -> switch to next -> wait 10 seconds.... | |
| [14:49] <apachelogger> do that for some 20 tracks | |
| [14:49] <agateau> eagles0513875: can you pastebin the content of the terminal? | |
| [14:49] <apachelogger> then stop valgrind with ctrl-c (one only) | |
| [14:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh, also | |
| [14:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you don't have your entire collection in the playlist by any chance? | |
| [14:50] <Quintasan> I think I do | |
| [14:50] <apachelogger> .... | |
| [14:50] <apachelogger> nevermind then | |
| [14:50] <apachelogger> you are using it wrong | |
| [14:50] <eagles0513875> agateau: all I'm getting is plasmoidviewer(2562 MenuBarApplet::init: Could not connect registrar to DBus | |
| [14:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: huh> | |
| [14:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how many tracks do you have? | |
| [14:50] <Quintasan> You want to tell me I can't just put my whole collection on the freaking playlist? | |
| [14:51] <jtechidna> Quintasan: my amarok would idle at 400 MiB ram, so recently I've switched to clementine and it uses ~70 | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> 3723 | |
| [14:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can, it will however use freaking memory | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> songs | |
| [14:51] <apachelogger> just like juk amarok does not do playlist caching | |
| [14:51] <jtechidna> I had < 90 songs in my playlist, so that's not related | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> AHAHAHAHA | |
| [14:51] <apachelogger> that is... all track information is held in memory | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> SERIOUSLY? | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> WOLOLOLOL | |
| [14:51] <apachelogger> regardless of whether the track is currently visible | |
| [14:51] <Quintasan> ALT+F4 | |
| [14:52] <apachelogger> unlike juk its playlist is not the collection | |
| [14:52] <Quintasan> LOL | |
| [14:52] <apachelogger> in particular right now in juk you get that 400 mib usage always | |
| [14:52] <Quintasan> I DELETED AND NOW IT'S 91MB IN MEMORY | |
| [14:52] <Quintasan> XD | |
| [14:52] <apachelogger> wheras in amarok it is a design decision | |
| [14:52] <Quintasan> and cpu usage is still at 27% | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> in amarok you are supposed to create what we used to call smart playlists | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> which are continious playlists based on parameters | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: while playing? | |
| [14:53] <Quintasan> apachelogger: idle, nothing on playlist | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> fun | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: gdb attach to it | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> grab some backtrace on all threads | |
| [14:53] <apachelogger> 3 of them or so | |
| [14:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think I need debug symbols don't I? | |
| [14:54] <apachelogger> yah | |
| [14:54] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ok | |
| [14:54] <apachelogger> if you feel particularly fun you can also cachegrind and callgrind it | |
| [14:54] <apachelogger> but since instrumentation is dead slow .... ;) | |
| [14:54] <Quintasan> So, now it's not playing any music, nothing is on playlist and I want to gdb attach to it? | |
| [14:55] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I am reasonable certain amarok leaks | |
| [14:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Explain the steps to me like you would to a dumb person because I used gdb once | |
| [14:55] <agateau> eagles0513875: ok so it means the menubar widget is already there | |
| [14:55] <apachelogger> somewhere around 2.3 heap management became too complicated | |
| [14:55] <eagles0513875> agateau: so could this be related to a graphics driver issue? | |
| [14:55] <agateau> eagles0513875: remove it from your desktop and start "plasmoidviewer menubar" again | |
| [14:56] <apachelogger> now even singletons cause problems with destruciton or no destruction or some destruction... | |
| [14:56] <eagles0513875> ok waiting for plasma-desktop to crash again | |
| [14:56] <apachelogger> happens when you maek software too complicated :P | |
| [14:56] <bambee> woo !!! http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTExMzA | |
| [14:56] <jtechidna> heh | |
| [14:56] <apachelogger> phonon has a similar issue with pulseaudio shutdown | |
| [14:56] <apachelogger> which is architectural though ... as pulseaudio needs to wire in boht the frontend and the backend | |
| [14:57] <Quintasan> That's why open source is not popular | |
| [14:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what is? | |
| [14:57] <Quintasan> We make things so complicated it's !@#! better to rewrite things and we still end up with nothing good | |
| [14:58] <Quintasan> KMail and Amarok are the prime examples of that | |
| [14:58] <Quintasan> LOL LET'S REWRITE CODE | |
| [14:58] <apachelogger> kmail was not rewriten | |
| [14:58] <Quintasan> now my email client doesnt work | |
| [14:58] <apachelogger> also kmail is somewhat unmaintained | |
| [14:58] <apachelogger> amarok was rewriten, that is not why it leaks memory though | |
| [14:58] <apachelogger> those issues are more complicated really | |
| [14:58] <Quintasan> and amarok developers try to tell me it's a design dections and I can't freaking have everything on playlist | |
| [14:59] * apachelogger wonders when Riddell will return from his 1 hour awayness :P | |
| [14:59] <Quintasan> design decision* | |
| [14:59] <Quintasan> ok so amarok is running and I have gdb and debug magic installed apachelogger | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> sudo gdb | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> ah | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> first | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> pidof amarok | |
| [14:59] <apachelogger> then sudo gdb | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> attach $WHATPIDOFSAID | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> ...wait... | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> then | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> thread apply all bt | |
| [15:00] <eagles0513875> agateau: :) now i get something ill post it on the bug report | |
| [15:00] <debfx> apachelogger: the images are only oversized if we decide so | |
| [15:00] <Quintasan> Still reading symbols | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> hit enter until all backtraces print, then copy to paste | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> then | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> continue | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> wait a bit | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> then ctr+c | |
| [15:00] <agateau> eagles0513875: can you pastebin it? | |
| [15:00] <apachelogger> thread appply..... | |
| [15:00] <eagles0513875> sure :) agateau | |
| [15:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: the idea is to interrupt at random times and fetch backtraces to see whether some function (chain) is executed regularly | |
| [15:01] <apachelogger> which would then be the function (chain) that needed investigation | |
| [15:01] <eagles0513875> agateau: http://pastebin.com/6rWTnN4a | |
| [15:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: sampled callgrind technique that is ^^ | |
| [15:02] <Quintasan> thread apply all bt should be run when music is playing, right? | |
| [15:02] <Quintasan> you want me to add the whole collection again? | |
| [15:03] <apachelogger> no | |
| [15:03] <apachelogger> you cannot run gdb instructions while the application is executing code | |
| [15:03] <agateau> eagles0513875: "plasmoidviewer(2598)/kdeui (kdelibs): Session bus not found" < this is plasmoidviwer telling you something is terribly wrong with your session | |
| [15:03] <agateau> eagles0513875: you should logout and back | |
| [15:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: lemme get you a log | |
| [15:03] <eagles0513875> agateau: restarting give me 30 sec :D | |
| [15:04] <Quintasan> apachelogger: empty playlist, amarok doing nothing and you want me to run thread apply all bt on that state? | |
| [15:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/493538/ | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/493544/ | |
| [15:06] <apachelogger> mind the lines startign with (gdb) | |
| [15:07] <apachelogger> this is right after loading is finished | |
| [15:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi | |
| [15:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have a rationale for amarok-help-* | |
| [15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: debian introduced amarok-doc, so I am wondering if it is worth keeping the detailed split | |
| [15:08] <apachelogger> Stecchino: the collectionscanner is a qprocess I presume? | |
| [15:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: need more samples than that ^^ | |
| [15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: cd size I think was the reason debfx did that I think | |
| [15:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ok | |
| [15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: if debian have a simple -doc split go with that | |
| [15:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok | |
| [15:10] * apachelogger really wonders why amarok needs so many eventloops -.- | |
| [15:10] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what cpu do you have? | |
| [15:11] <Quintasan> Intel Core i5 | |
| [15:11] <apachelogger> k | |
| [15:11] <apachelogger> Quintasan: can I get more samples please | |
| [15:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: making them | |
| [15:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: also is amarokcollectionscanner running? | |
| [15:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: nope | |
| [15:12] <apachelogger> keep a watch out for it while you take samples | |
| [15:12] <apachelogger> commiting changes caues ~16% load here | |
| [15:13] <apachelogger> (database changes) | |
| [15:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Will 5 samples suffice? | |
| [15:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yah | |
| [15:14] <eagles0513875> agateau: sadly still nothing | |
| [15:14] <agateau> eagles0513875: what does plasmoidviewer say? | |
| [15:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Pastin' | |
| [15:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: also please take note of the wrong desktop file package | |
| [15:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/493556/ | |
| [15:15] <eagles0513875> agateau: now i have file showing up but full screen menu bar | |
| [15:15] <Quintasan> I'm still running gdb so I can get some more if you want | |
| [15:16] <agateau> eagles0513875: ? | |
| [15:16] <eagles0513875> agateau: i have a full screen menu but nothing is showing up on command line | |
| [15:16] <agateau> eagles0513875: right, you can't have both the plasmoidviewer and the menubar in the desktop running at the same time | |
| [15:17] <agateau> eagles0513875: remove the one from the desktop, then run plasmoidviewer menubar again | |
| [15:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: .desktop files should be in the same package as the .so plugin they reference | |
| [15:17] <eagles0513875> ok | |
| [15:17] <eagles0513875> will have to do later i have to run to a meeting | |
| [15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: not if we have a common package | |
| [15:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh spose so | |
| [15:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: ok, we'll need a callgrind | |
| [15:18] <apachelogger> seems to me it is doing nothing but regular event processing | |
| [15:18] <Quintasan> oh yeah, no sound in videos in vlc as well | |
| [15:18] <apachelogger> so one of the events might be causing the load | |
| [15:18] <Quintasan> k | |
| [15:19] <Quintasan> do I kill gdb? | |
| [15:19] <apachelogger> yah and amarok | |
| [15:20] <Quintasan> k | |
| [15:20] <Quintasan> What now? | |
| [15:20] <Quintasan> valgrind and co. are installed | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> valgrind --tool=callgrind --callgrind-out-file=amarok.callgrind amarok --nofork | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> then let it run for a while nto doing anything to amarok | |
| [15:21] <apachelogger> then ctrl+c valgrind (once!) | |
| [15:21] <apachelogger> (a subsequent ctrl+c will likely sigint valgrind itself ;)) | |
| [15:22] <Quintasan> K, I'll be reading on C then in mean time | |
| [15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: can one stage invidiual lines with bzr? | |
| [15:22] <apachelogger> Quintasan: just need it for like 1 minute after the window appears | |
| [15:22] <Riddell> I believe so, I seem to remember qbzr can do it | |
| [15:22] <Quintasan> what | |
| [15:22] <Quintasan> on earth | |
| [15:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Amarok window just came up from tray and it's all grey | |
| [15:23] <Quintasan> wut | |
| [15:23] <Quintasan> oh | |
| [15:23] <Quintasan> nbm | |
| [15:23] <Quintasan> nvm* | |
| [15:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: instrumentation slows down the app by a factor of n :P | |
| [15:23] <apachelogger> n >= 5 | |
| [15:23] <apachelogger> usually :P | |
| [15:24] <Quintasan> mother of god | |
| [15:24] <apachelogger> (which is why it makes analyzing video playback utter fun because you'll have to have a way to turn off frame discarding as all frames will be late for drawing ;)) | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/survival/bzr-for-git-users.html \o/ | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> You can still commit a subset of files, and it is possible to commit a subset of hunks within a file using plugins, but there is no way to stage part of a commit and then continue working. | |
| [15:25] <apachelogger> pff | |
| [15:26] <Quintasan> I ctrl+c'd it and it stopped | |
| [15:26] <Quintasan> massif-visualizer amarok.callgrind ? | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> nah | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> mail me the file | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> kcachegrind is the tool you want btw | |
| [15:27] <apachelogger> massif != grind :P | |
| [15:28] <Quintasan> MOTHER OF GOD | |
| [15:28] <Quintasan> IT'S 17MB | |
| [15:28] <apachelogger> xz -9 amarok.callgrind | |
| [15:29] <Quintasan> oh | |
| [15:29] <Quintasan> 2mb | |
| [15:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sent | |
| [15:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: qshelve perhaps? | |
| [15:31] <Quintasan> YES | |
| [15:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep | |
| [15:31] <Quintasan> I KNOW WHY NO SOUND | |
| [15:31] <Quintasan> How does one change default audio device in PA? | |
| [15:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: through the phonon UI | |
| [15:31] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 145 * bin/kgetsource special case kdelibs as we call it kde4libs | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: can only shelve hunks -.- | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> oh well | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> better than nothing | |
| [15:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh really? VLC and mplayer2 don't respect those probably | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: vlc does | |
| [15:32] <Quintasan> It doesn't | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: does here :P | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> anyhow | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> you could install phonon-backend-vlc :P | |
| [15:32] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktoprR2056.png | |
| [15:32] <apachelogger> and then use dragon ... that way you definitely get the right device | |
| [15:33] <Quintasan> and VLC wanted to use the HDMI one | |
| [15:35] <BluesKaj> Quintasan, you can set VLC to whatever output you want in tools /preferences | |
| [15:39] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/493610/ | |
| [15:39] <apachelogger> dafuq | |
| [15:49] * apachelogger would totally love if we could implement dep3 -.- | |
| [15:50] <Riddell> which one is that? | |
| [15:50] <apachelogger> patch comment | |
| [15:50] <apachelogger> half the time with patch updates is lost looking like a monkey at files only to see that our patch was from upstream or sent upstream | |
| [15:52] <Riddell> my habit is usually to put the comment in the chaneglog, but the fashion these days it to put it in the patch so I should fix that habit | |
| [15:52] <apachelogger> changelog needed to be searched ^^ | |
| [15:53] <Riddell> that's why I always ensure to put the patch filename in the changelog | |
| [15:53] <Riddell> but yes | |
| [15:54] * apachelogger likes to do both | |
| [15:55] <apachelogger> seems useful enough to put info in both as in the changelog it might be useful should the issue reappear after it was already fixed upstream and the patch dropped | |
| [15:55] <apachelogger> almost done \o/ | |
| [15:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: looking at grind | |
| [15:59] <jussi> o/ | |
| [15:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: no !@$# idea | |
| [15:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I removed ~/.pulse | |
| [15:59] <jussi> Im drinking this strange ginger stuff with whiskey - its pretty good... | |
| [15:59] <Quintasan> ran mplayer -ao alsa and shit works | |
| [15:59] <Quintasan> MAGIC | |
| [16:00] <apachelogger> why do you ao to alsa with pulse anyway? | |
| [16:00] <Riddell> jussi: irn bru? | |
| [16:00] <jussi> Riddell: nah, hang on let me grab the name. | |
| [16:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: install kdelibs and libdbus dbg and regrind | |
| [16:01] <Quintasan> hurr | |
| [16:01] <jussi> Riddell: http://indigogreen.com.au/ | |
| [16:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for how long did you run after the window appeared? | |
| [16:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: because pulse ao yields no sound? xD | |
| [16:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: for like, two minutes | |
| [16:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how many tracks in the playlist? | |
| [16:03] <jussi> Riddell: its rather good - slightly sweet to begin with, but then hot :D | |
| [16:03] * apachelogger points out that 2 million mallocs in 2 minutes is a bit much .... | |
| [16:03] <Quintasan> LOL | |
| [16:03] <apachelogger> I think | |
| [16:04] <Quintasan> libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg ? | |
| [16:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think there is dbus-dbg | |
| [16:04] <Quintasan> there is not | |
| [16:04] <apachelogger> well, just install all dbus dbg | |
| [16:05] <apachelogger> 7k dbus msgs seems also a lot *shrug* | |
| [16:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: K, should I play those files on play list or just ADD them? | |
| [16:06] <Quintasan> w8 | |
| [16:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: nah | |
| [16:06] <apachelogger> just wanna know how many are in the playlist | |
| [16:06] <apachelogger> cuz it's deploying 988 mysql queries | |
| [16:09] <apachelogger> FWIW with dragon I get 200k mallocs in >2 minutes | |
| [16:09] <apachelogger> then again it less strings to begin with | |
| [16:10] <apachelogger> oh ohoh | |
| [16:10] <apachelogger> ah, nvm | |
| [16:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: TBH when I ran the valgrind it was empty | |
| [16:11] <Quintasan> NO, ZERO NULL | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: huh? | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> what valgrind? | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> memcheck? | |
| [16:12] <Quintasan> durr | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> what's a durr? | |
| [16:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: callgrind on amarok | |
| [16:12] <Quintasan> the playlist was empty | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> ahhh | |
| [16:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: then I am reasonable certain that you >3k tracks have about 800 albums :P | |
| [16:13] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is that number far off? | |
| [16:13] <Quintasan> far off | |
| [16:14] <Quintasan> It's about 270 | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> hm | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> oh | |
| [16:14] <Quintasan> I have my collection on HDD like | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmm | |
| [16:14] <Quintasan> Artist - Album - Files | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> then amarok's mysql tables are complex :P | |
| [16:15] <jussi> where are we at with the 4.9 packaging? | |
| [16:15] <apachelogger> could be something like 270*2 (query album & artist of album) | |
| [16:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how many artists? | |
| [16:16] * apachelogger was under the impression album did lazy query on the mysql collection | |
| [16:16] <apachelogger> s/album/amarok/ | |
| [16:16] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "was under the impression amarok did lazy query on the mysql collection" | |
| [16:16] <Quintasan> hmm | |
| [16:16] <Quintasan> artists are little bit harder | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: amarok has a plugin for that btw | |
| [16:17] <Quintasan> Like, would be 65+ | |
| [16:17] <Quintasan> but some files have more tags | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> rating statistics or something | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> s/plugin/script/ | |
| [16:17] <kubotu> apachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> actually | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you let amarok run idle for 2 minutes without instrumentation does it constantly have the 25% load? | |
| [16:18] <Quintasan> Now I'm playing ONE song | |
| [16:19] <Quintasan> ~3% CPU and 503mb of memory are being used | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> you can only play one song at a time | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> (well, technically 2 ^^) | |
| [16:19] <Quintasan> ok, only one song is at the play list | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> Oo | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so you have no load? | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> :P | |
| [16:19] * apachelogger points out that a callgrind only makes sense if it constantly uses cpu when idle :P | |
| [16:20] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopVk2047.png | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> fatty | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> Quintasan: massif log please | |
| [16:21] <Quintasan> I wanted to use mpd | |
| [16:21] <Quintasan> BUT NO SORRY WE USE PULSE AUDIO AND IT WON'T WORK | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> start -> play -> ~ 20 seconds -> ctrl+c | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> xz -9 log, sending | |
| [16:22] <Quintasan> [~]% valgrind --tool=massif --massif-out-file=amarok.massif amarok --nofork? | |
| [16:22] <apachelogger> aye | |
| [16:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: sent | |
| [16:27] <apachelogger> did you gimps the mem usage by any chance? | |
| [16:27] <Quintasan> pulseaudio laughs at my silly attempts to change the default device | |
| [16:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You wanted to know if I photoshopped them? | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> hmmmm | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes :P | |
| [16:28] <Quintasan> I can record a movie what I'm freaking doing | |
| [16:28] <Quintasan> If you don't believe me | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> Now it's at 266 | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> I launched it | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> Added ONE ALBUM to the freaking playlist | |
| [16:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you ctrl-c'd? | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> and started playbakc | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The massif log? I did | |
| [16:29] <Quintasan> I ctrl+c'd once and waited for it terminate by itself | |
| [16:30] <Quintasan> 271mb of memory now | |
| [16:30] <apachelogger> :O | |
| [16:30] <apachelogger> Oo | |
| [16:31] <apachelogger> Quintasan: did you look at the chart? | |
| [16:32] <Quintasan> 238 | |
| [16:32] <Quintasan> reported | |
| [16:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: stop playback | |
| [16:32] <apachelogger> how much memory consumed? | |
| [16:32] <apachelogger> stop - not pause FWIW | |
| [16:33] <Quintasan> I'm not dumb | |
| [16:33] <apachelogger> just saying :P | |
| [16:33] <Quintasan> still at 275mb | |
| [16:33] <Quintasan> according to ksysguard | |
| [16:33] <Quintasan> htop says 335MB | |
| [16:33] <apachelogger> htop is dumb | |
| [16:34] <Quintasan> top also does | |
| [16:34] <apachelogger> they are both dumb | |
| [16:34] <Quintasan> K | |
| [16:34] <Quintasan> so ksysguard still hovers around 275mb | |
| [16:35] <apachelogger> ... | |
| [16:35] <apachelogger> did you look at the massif chart? | |
| [16:36] <Quintasan> It says max was 238 | |
| [16:36] <apachelogger> yes | |
| [16:36] <apachelogger> it tells me more than that though :P | |
| [16:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: quit amarok | |
| [16:36] <apachelogger> start again | |
| [16:36] <apachelogger> look at memory consumption | |
| [16:37] <Quintasan> 63 when ~15 songs on playlist | |
| [16:37] <Quintasan> not playing anything | |
| [16:37] <apachelogger> ...... | |
| [16:37] <apachelogger> that is what massif tells me :P | |
| [16:37] <apachelogger> your gstreamer pipeline is 200 mib fat! | |
| [16:37] <Quintasan> caution | |
| [16:37] <Quintasan> I start playback now | |
| [16:37] <apachelogger> 200 mib right there :P | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> 263 | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> xD | |
| [16:38] <apachelogger> told ya | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> WHAT | |
| [16:38] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/05/plasma-desktopVY2541.png | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> IS THIS? | |
| [16:38] <apachelogger> vlc supremacy! | |
| [16:38] <apachelogger> my vlc pipeline is smaller than amarok's entire base consumption :P | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> yes, vlc respects pulseaudio settings | |
| [16:38] <Quintasan> bullshit | |
| [16:38] <apachelogger> with pvlc it does | |
| [16:39] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so | |
| [16:39] <apachelogger> now at 91 Mib ^^ | |
| [16:39] <apachelogger> anyhow | |
| [16:40] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I think this is due to fact that gsteamer likes to create memcopy based pipelines | |
| [16:40] <apachelogger> whereas vlc stuff is often zero-copy | |
| [16:40] <apachelogger> 200 mib is still hefty tho | |
| [16:42] <Quintasan> hmm | |
| [16:42] <Quintasan> I somehow killed the HDMI output | |
| [16:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: out of interest... which gstreamer plugins do you have installed/ | |
| [16:42] <apachelogger> ? | |
| [16:42] <Quintasan> no idea | |
| [16:43] <Quintasan> I just installed what the nifty dialog on playback start suggested | |
| [16:43] <apachelogger> check please | |
| [16:44] <Quintasan> THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api | |
| [16:44] <Quintasan> durr | |
| [16:44] <Quintasan> http://wklej.org/id/767564 | |
| [16:44] <apachelogger> afiestas: someone should offer the desktop guy help getting his stuff into kde ;) | |
| [16:45] <afiestas> who? | |
| [16:45] <apachelogger> the guy who is working on freerdp support | |
| [16:50] <apachelogger> !info phonon-backend-gstreamer | |
| [16:50] <ubottu> phonon-backend-gstreamer (source: phonon-backend-gstreamer): Phonon GStreamer 0.10.x backend. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0really4.6.0-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 103 kB, installed size 430 kB | |
| [16:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually looks like the bug | |
| [16:53] <apachelogger> Quintasan: install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse | |
| [16:54] <apachelogger> also what filetype are the tracks? | |
| [16:54] <Quintasan> The one i played was FLAC | |
| [16:54] <afiestas> apachelogger: yes | |
| [16:54] <apachelogger> try something less fat :P | |
| [16:54] <afiestas> apparently I was t harsh or something :/ | |
| [16:54] <afiestas> jsut replied | |
| [16:54] <apachelogger> afiestas: didn't think so | |
| [16:54] <apachelogger> some people are just very insecure about their work | |
| [16:55] <apachelogger> that is why I do pornon, whatever I do as long as prn remains playable everyone is happy :P | |
| [16:55] <highvoltage> oO | |
| [16:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: so, my mem usage doesn't go beyond 100 MiB | |
| [16:55] <apachelogger> which may be related to mp3 v flac | |
| [16:56] <Quintasan> wut | |
| [16:56] <Quintasan> now it's 77mb | |
| [16:56] <Quintasan> when playing | |
| [16:56] <apachelogger> same file? | |
| [16:56] <Quintasan> y | |
| [16:57] <apachelogger> the flac file? | |
| [16:57] <Quintasan> yes | |
| [16:57] <apachelogger> oh | |
| [16:57] <apachelogger> hihihi | |
| [16:57] <apachelogger> I do have a hunch why | |
| [17:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: y u no accept invite? | |
| [17:01] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go t #kde-multimedia | |
| [17:21] <debfx> JontheEchidna: are you still working on kde-workspace 4.8.80? | |
| [17:21] <jtechidna> debfx: nope | |
| [17:22] <jtechidna> I was using old hooks and was unable to get a reliable list-missing with the dhmk stuff | |
| [17:23] <debfx> jtechidna: so it should be ready after updating install and symbol files? | |
| [17:24] <jtechidna> debfx: I've done the .symbols files (and bumped a few X-Debian-ABI), but the library .install files need to be updated for that | |
| [17:24] <jtechidna> and of course any new files that 4.9 introduces elsewhere | |
| [17:24] <jtechidna> I forgot to update the .install files of the libraries that I bumped the X-Debian-ABI, in other words | |
| [17:25] <jtechidna> so once that gets fixed & list-missing has been incorporated into the .install files, things should be good | |
| [17:27] <debfx> ok, will update those and upload | |
| [17:27] <jtechidna> thanks | |
| [17:30] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 146 * (10 files in 5 dirs) * switch to dh7 packaging * Add pylib/KubuntuDevTools with some python utilities * use KDTLaunchpad in newpackage, klearppa and kopypackages for authentication | |
| [17:35] <yofel> apachelogger: with that you can specify the credentials file in $KUBUNTU_DEV_TOOLS_CREDENTIALS - but you now need to actually install the package as you need the module installed. | |
| [17:35] <yofel> for now I left it hardcoded in newpackage, throw it out if you don't need it | |
| [17:38] <eagles0513875> agateau: i tried to remove the menu bar widget and i can't even click on it i get no menu when i right click :( | |
| [17:52] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 147 * setup.py fix version in setup script | |
| [18:32] <yofel> hm, copyright fun: http://paste.kde.org/493736 - that's... what? | |
| [18:32] <yofel> (that's dragon-4.8.80/src/app/analyzer/analyzerBase.* ) | |
| [18:34] <yofel> ah, no, only the .cpp | |
| [18:39] <jussi> [21:37:53] <#kubuntu:sdaugherty> Hi, There seems to be some sort of squid error on www.kubuntu.org. http://paste.kde.org/493742/ | |
| [18:40] <yofel> kubotu: help newpackage | |
| [18:40] <kubotu> newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package. | |
| [18:40] <kubotu> newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package. | |
| [18:40] <yofel> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.4.90 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/calligra-2.4.90/ | |
| [18:41] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009159 | |
| [18:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1009159 in calligra (Ubuntu) "Please update calligra to 2.4.90" [Undecided,New] | |
| [18:42] <jussi> that is so awesome ^^ | |
| [18:43] <yofel> :D | |
| [18:43] <yofel> bbl | |
| [19:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes (when appropriate) - usage for replaces hasn't changed. | |
| [19:12] <shadeslayer> ooohh | |
| [19:12] <shadeslayer> jussi: I get that too | |
| [19:14] <jussi> shadeslayer: what? | |
| [19:15] <shadeslayer> jussi: that squid error | |
| [19:15] <shadeslayer> i.e. cannot access kubuntu.org | |
| [19:15] <jussi> ahh yes, I relayed that from #kubuntu | |
| [19:15] <jussi> but I get it also | |
| [19:16] <shadeslayer> okay | |
| [19:28] <shadeslayer> uh is it just me | |
| [19:28] <shadeslayer> or is jono doing a AMA on reddit | |
| [19:28] <shadeslayer> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/umavd/iama_ubuntu_community_manager_at_canonical/ | |
| [19:28] <jussi> shadeslayer: he is, yes | |
| [19:28] <shadeslayer> I just noticed it :D | |
| [19:29] <jussi> lol | |
| [19:31] <shadeslayer> Clearly this is a sign that I've spent way too much time on reddit today | |
| [19:31] <shadeslayer> and that I should be studying | |
| [19:34] * jussi banishes shadeslayer to the study room | |
| [19:36] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 148 * bin/newpackage use upgrade instead of update for package upgrades for consistency | |
| [19:38] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 149 * bin/newpackage use login_with without parameters | |
| [19:38] <ScottK> yofel: I'd use upgrade for new feature versions and update for post-release updates. | |
| [19:39] <yofel> well, the script currently makes no difference there | |
| [19:39] <yofel> apachelogger: I threw the hardcoded credentials file out after all, so adjust that for the bot | |
| [19:41] <yofel> ScottK: and I'm not sure how to tell that apart without adding yet another option | |
| [19:41] <ScottK> yofel: last digit < or > 10. | |
| [19:44] <apachelogger> yofel: boohooo | |
| [19:45] <yofel> that's too ambigous IMHO, but I can add it if you want... | |
| [19:46] <ScottK> yofel: There'll never be another case where the last digit of a KDE release is < 10 and it's not a post-release bugfix. | |
| [19:47] <ScottK> jussi: Thanks. I got Canonical people looking at it (kubuntu.org) | |
| [19:47] <jussi> ScottK: no probs, I only noticed cause the guy in kubuntu said somethign | |
| [19:47] <yofel> ScottK: this isn't just for KDE, so you would "update" to calligra 2.9, but "upgrade" to 2.11 | |
| [19:47] <ScottK> yofel: In that case, I agree it's ambiguous. | |
| [19:47] <yofel> as the .0 is missing there | |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr |kubuntu.org down RT #19888 | |
| [19:50] <yofel> meh, now I'm not convinced anymore that I should even change that -.- | |
| [19:55] <CIA-44> [lp:kubuntu-dev-tools] Philip Muškovac * 150 * bin/newpackage revert r148, most version upgrade bugs use update and it's easier to understand | |
| [19:56] <apachelogger> now that I fixed pornon | |
| [19:56] <apachelogger> where was I | |
| [19:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: oh ah yes | |
| [19:56] <apachelogger> good sir | |
| [19:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how much space do you have free on your /home partition? | |
| [19:56] <yofel> and I can't find any recommendation for how that should be called anyway | |
| [20:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: it got hacked I tell you | |
| [20:01] <apachelogger> first no access, then down :P | |
| [20:01] <ScottK> Could be. | |
| [20:01] <apachelogger> soon fwd to phonon.kde.org | |
| [20:01] <apachelogger> or uprn or something | |
| [20:02] <apachelogger> I think I broke Quintasan again | |
| === skreech__ is now known as skreech_ | |
| [20:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: where is the copyright generater you are writing? | |
| [20:51] * eagles0513875 is going to try purge kubuntu-desktop on netbook and reinstall it | |
| [21:02] <apachelogger> bah | |
| [21:02] <apachelogger> turning on xz in debian/rules | |
| [21:03] <apachelogger> what a mindwarp | |
| [21:03] <apachelogger> no wonder it took 3000 hours to compress | |
| === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Now With Extra Gray | Council Nominations Open - See http://goo.gl/zUghQ | Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | Packaging TODO (4.8.80/4.8.4): http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/xxxd4x2mkpp6hifr |kubuntu.org fixed | |
| [21:03] <ScottK> I can log into the web site too, so that's fixed as well. | |
| [21:04] <apachelogger> unhacked :( | |
| [21:04] <ScottK> corrupted sessions table | |
| [21:04] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ | |
| [21:05] <apachelogger> (process:5842): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_instance_get_private: assertion `instance != NULL && instance->g_class != NULL' failed | |
| [22:07] <CIA-44> [amarok] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120605220713-wkyla5o7kfgpsis9 * debian/ (18 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) | |
| [22:07] <CIA-44> * Merge from Debian experimental, remaining changes: (LP: 1008645) - Don't | |
| [22:07] <CIA-44> build-depend on libavformat-dev and libofa0-dev as libavcodec* is not allowed on | |
| [22:33] <Riddell> ScottK: those session tables, one bribe offer and they're corrupted straight away | |
| [22:33] <ScottK> :-) | |
| [23:22] <apachelogger> hold on, who got a bribe offer? | |
| [23:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus amarok | |
| [23:23] <apachelogger> oh oh | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> Kubuntu IRC Bot (kubotu) • [Log Out] | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> [launchpa] | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> Launchpad.net | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> • Launchpad Home | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> • Code... | |
| [23:26] <apachelogger> pff | |
| [23:26] <apachelogger> kubotu: buildstatus amarok | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> amarok: | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> powerpc Currently building | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> i386 Currently building | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> armhf Currently building | |
| [23:26] <kubotu> armel Currently building... | |
| [23:26] <apachelogger> neat | |
| [23:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: is there a particular reason your buildstatus script doesn't use login_anonymous? | |
| [23:30] <micahg> shouldn't amarok have gone to -proposed? | |
| [23:31] <apachelogger> micahg: that's betarr | |
| [23:32] <micahg> apachelogger: ? | |
| [23:32] <apachelogger> hm | |
| [23:32] <apachelogger> micahg: what are you talking about? | |
| [23:32] <micahg> apachelogger: and you also forgot -v :) | |
| [23:32] <apachelogger> because I am talking about the currently building amarok | |
| [23:32] <micahg> apachelogger: during alpha1 freeze anything that can cause arch skew is supposed to go to -proposed | |
| [23:32] <apachelogger> micahg: oh, true :( | |
| [23:33] <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-June/000960.html | |
| [23:34] <apachelogger> micahg: my amarok prevoiusly crashed, I count that as bugfix | |
| [23:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you know what happened to the ktp release yet? | |
| [23:37] <micahg> In particular, an upload that will increase the count of | |
| [23:37] <micahg> uninstallable packages in main, even temporarily, MUST be | |
| [23:37] <micahg> done to quantal-proposed instead of to quantal. | |
| [23:37] <micahg> but I see how you could read it otherwise | |
| [23:38] <micahg> apachelogger: I'm guessing infinity will come after you if you take away his beer though | |
| [23:39] <micahg> anyways, back to testing for me | |
| [23:44] <apachelogger> micahg: I'll prepare just in case :) | |