| [09:33] <djszapi> ogra_: hey, I am having this issue after the ubuntu 12.04 reinstallation on the pandaboard: http://paste.kde.org/484964/ I would like to play an ogg file, that is all. | |
| [09:35] <ogra_> just use paplay | |
| [09:36] <djszapi> ogg should work as well... | |
| [09:36] <djszapi> (it did before the reinstallation) | |
| [09:36] <ogra_> it works fine here using paplay | |
| [09:37] <djszapi> uhh, it is nasty PA stuff... | |
| [09:37] * abogani waves all | |
| [09:37] <abogani> Could anyone pinpoint me on RTFM to install Ubuntu on an BeagleBone, please? | |
| [09:37] <abogani> Thanks in advance! | |
| [09:38] <ogra_> abogani, we dont have bootloader or kernel support in the official ubuntu images for the bone yet | |
| [09:38] <ogra_> not sure if someone already has a community port or so, ask in #beagle, probably rcn-ee has rolled an image or some such | |
| [09:39] <djszapi> ogra_: paplay is a no go anyway since that would require the rewriting of the software | |
| [09:39] <djszapi> the software executes ogg123, and that is something which should work. | |
| [09:39] <abogani> ogra_, Thanks! | |
| [09:39] <djszapi> not to mention, paplay does not work either: Connection failure: Connection refused | |
| [09:39] <djszapi> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused | |
| [09:40] <ogra_> your pulse daemon isnt running it seems | |
| [09:40] <djszapi> anyway, I would like to avoid using pulse | |
| [09:40] <djszapi> I would like to use alsa. | |
| [09:40] <twb> I wonder if aplay would've worked fine at that point | |
| [09:40] * twb is an anti-PA bigot | |
| [09:40] <ogra_> it should, if all sound related packages are installed | |
| [09:41] <djszapi> libasound2 is installed. | |
| [09:41] <ogra_> we only test PA with gstreamer since thats the default setup | |
| [09:41] <djszapi> I have honestly no clue :-S | |
| [09:42] <ogra_> are alsa-base and alsa-utils installed ? | |
| [09:43] <djszapi> yes | |
| [09:43] <ogra_> and does /proc/asound/cards list the panda ? | |
| [09:43] <djszapi> those are all installed by running "apt-get install alsa-utils". | |
| [09:43] <djszapi> yes | |
| [09:43] <ogra_> well, no idea then | |
| [09:44] <ogra_> i know it works fine on the desktop images using PA and any gstreamer player | |
| [09:44] <djszapi> perhaps another bug in 12.04 :( | |
| [09:44] <ogra_> since thats what we test | |
| [09:45] * djszapi is installing mplayer for making sure many stuff are installed. | |
| [09:45] <ogra_> and to be honest i dont really care about cmdline players, if someone finds a bug i'll happily upload a fix though | |
| === KRF_ is now known as KRF | |
| [09:46] <djszapi> well, it is not command line interface issue | |
| [09:46] <djszapi> I am sure it is exactly the same with ui interface | |
| [09:46] <ogra_> well, its not a gstreamer player | |
| [09:46] <djszapi> the error message clearly looks like an operational issue | |
| [09:46] <djszapi> it is not that the program is executed with wrong parameters, etc. | |
| [09:47] <djszapi> why would it ? | |
| [09:47] <ogra_> dunno, but thats what we care about | |
| [09:47] <djszapi> so you do not care about basic command line utils working ? | |
| [09:47] <ogra_> send a patch if you find a bug | |
| [09:48] <djszapi> perhaps there is a reason to use linaro images... | |
| [09:48] <ogra_> we do test the default desktop in all functions (including ogg and mp3 playback) ... as lomng as that works ... | |
| [09:48] <ogra_> linaro images are just using a different kernel | |
| [09:48] <djszapi> not quite | |
| [09:48] <ogra_> beyond that they are identical and built from the very same archive | |
| [09:49] <djszapi> they also have patches against user space softwares. | |
| [09:49] <ogra_> well, feel free to use linaro then | |
| [09:51] <djszapi> will do | |
| [09:54] <djszapi> so why is the pulse daemon not running right after the installation ? | |
| [09:55] <ogra_> dunno, its usually started by the desktop session at login | |
| [09:56] <djszapi> let me reboot then... | |
| [09:57] <djszapi> same after reboot: Connection failure: Connection refused | |
| [09:57] <djszapi> pa_context_connect() failed: Connection refused | |
| [09:58] <djszapi> perhaps the postinstallation script is broken | |
| [09:59] <ogra_> well, it works for everyone else | |
| [09:59] <djszapi> not quite | |
| [09:59] <ogra_> did you do a normal desktop install ? | |
| [09:59] <djszapi> it is the same issue for my colleagues as well actually | |
| [10:00] <djszapi> no, we discussed that that is not so good idea | |
| [10:00] <djszapi> so I went for the server install obviously. | |
| [10:01] <ogra_> well, then you are on your own, find the missing pieces, fix them, it works fine on std desktop installs so you are obviously missing bits | |
| [10:02] <djszapi> actually I remember it did not work with desktop installation either | |
| [10:02] <djszapi> and that was one reason I went for alsa. | |
| [10:02] <djszapi> since I had more issues with pulse. | |
| [10:02] <djszapi> when I previously had the linary desktop images. | |
| [10:03] <djszapi> (this is why I asked if 12.04 is any usable on pandaboard) | |
| [10:03] <djszapi> 11.10 worked better so far. | |
| [10:03] <ogra_> not here, not in the tests | |
| [10:04] <djszapi> right, so the problem was the pulseaudio is a *separate* package, not installed by the pulse-utils. | |
| [10:12] <djszapi> ogra_: paplay did not work | |
| [10:12] <djszapi> even after running the server | |
| [10:12] <djszapi> empty output, and no sound | |
| [10:15] <djszapi> http://paste.kde.org/484994/ -> but I hear no sound. Why is that ? | |
| [12:41] * djszapi is pondering to install 11.10 back since as feared, the 12.04 is incapable for pandaboard for the time being :( | |
| [12:42] <ogra_> just use a normal install | |
| [12:43] <djszapi> that is not an option unfortunately. | |
| [12:52] <djszapi> ogra_: isn't there a ready made "default" desktop image I can just dd onto an sdcard and use that as the base for my further system ? | |
| [12:54] <av500> djszapi: I can sell you an sdcard with desktop "installed" | |
| [12:57] <djszapi> no, thanks. :) | |
| [12:58] <av500> other OS's even have that as a service: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Fedora-Operating-System-8GB-SD-Card-Expanded-/300705977609 | |
| [12:58] <ogra_> haha | |
| [12:58] <ogra_> funny | |
| [12:59] <djszapi> ogra_: isn't there some metapackages ? | |
| [12:59] <djszapi> for getting the same out of the server installation as if it had been the desktop ? | |
| [13:00] <ogra_> sudo apt-get install ubunut-make-sound-work-for-djszapi | |
| [13:00] <ogra_> ? | |
| [13:00] <djszapi> ehh | |
| [13:00] <djszapi> ogra_: we really need this for our project. Please do not joke :p | |
| [13:00] <djszapi> I would have expected some meta package. | |
| [13:00] <ogra_> well, the only metapackages we have would install the whole desktop | |
| [13:00] <djszapi> like we have gnome, kde, etc on archlinux | |
| [13:01] <djszapi> so no other way than the installer ? | |
| [13:01] <ogra_> ubuntu-desktop ... though you dont want to install metapackages, usually the meta goes along with a task, you want to install the task | |
| [13:01] <djszapi> that is physically really not possible unfortunately. | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> ok ubuntu-desktop, works | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> is it safe to install that ? | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> 1 upgraded, 792 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded. | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> Need to get 212 MB/252 MB of archives. | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> After this operation, 800 MB of additional disk space will be used. | |
| [13:02] <ogra_> beyond that, did you follow the ubuntu wiki to debug sound issues (or upstream docs for this) | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> yes | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> even discussed with upstream devs | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> for hours | |
| [13:02] <djszapi> same with my colleague in here. | |
| [13:02] <ogra_> did you check your mixer settings etc ? | |
| [13:03] <ogra_> and all the other general stuff thats descrivbed on the respective debug pages on the wiki | |
| [13:03] <djszapi> ogra_: yes, we did | |
| [13:04] <djszapi> yes, we did | |
| [13:04] <djszapi> so is this safe to execute then ? | |
| [13:04] <djszapi> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ? | |
| [13:04] <ogra_> that will get you the ubuntu default desktop installed | |
| [13:04] <ogra_> though as i said, use the task instead | |
| [13:04] <djszapi> what is the task ? | |
| [13:05] <ogra_> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ^ | |
| [13:05] <ogra_> err, nob space before the caret | |
| [13:05] <ogra_> or use tasksel | |
| [13:05] <djszapi> 1 upgraded, 786 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded. | |
| [13:05] <djszapi> Need to get 198 MB/237 MB of archives. | |
| [13:05] <djszapi> After this operation, 734 MB of additional disk space will be used. | |
| [13:05] <djszapi> fire ? | |
| [13:06] <djszapi> I pressed "Y". | |
| [13:08] <djszapi> ogra_: so ogg123 foo.ogg works for you on the pandaboard with Ubuntu 12.04 ? | |
| [13:08] <ogra_> no idea, i never test anything but gstreamer players | |
| [13:09] <ogra_> but i would assume so | |
| [13:09] <djszapi> can you test ? | |
| [13:09] * ogra_ has no desktop install around, all my pandas are build machines atm | |
| [13:09] <djszapi> eh... | |
| [13:09] <djszapi> well to be positive a bit, omap4-extras seems to be bundled with 12.04 | |
| [13:09] <djszapi> was not the case previously. | |
| [13:10] <ogra_> omap4-extras doesnt exist in 12.04 | |
| [13:10] <djszapi> yes, exactly. | |
| [13:10] <ogra_> because there are no contents for it | |
| [13:11] <ogra_> the pvr driver is in the ubuntu archive, all other bits simply dont exist | |
| [13:11] <djszapi> sgx and gles drivers | |
| [13:11] <djszapi> that is what we used omap4-extras for previously. | |
| [13:11] <ogra_> omap4-extras pulled in a lot more than just sgx/pvr | |
| [13:11] <djszapi> I know, but that is what we needed. | |
| [13:11] <djszapi> so how can we achieve those with 12.04 ? | |
| [13:12] <ogra_> achieve what exactly ? | |
| [13:12] <djszapi> having proper support for those | |
| [13:12] <ogra_> those ? | |
| [13:12] <djszapi> to not lose what we had with omap4-extras previously. | |
| [13:12] <ogra_> there is no way | |
| [13:12] <djszapi> yes, what omap4-extras contained... | |
| [13:12] <djszapi> why is this regression ? | |
| [13:13] <ogra_> TI didnt release the multimedia codecs for the 12.04 release | |
| [13:13] <djszapi> is there anything I can read about that sentence ? | |
| [13:13] <djszapi> some link | |
| [13:13] <ogra_> nope | |
| [13:14] <djszapi> what do you mean by ubuntu archive ? | |
| [13:14] <ogra_> they simply didnt port their stuff to 3.2 | |
| [13:14] <ogra_> with ubuntu archive i mean ports.ubuntu.com/archive.ubuntu.com | |
| [13:15] <djszapi> ogra_: is this really the right one for panda ? armhf | |
| [13:15] <ogra_> yes | |
| [13:15] <ogra_> ports.ubuntu-com is the archive for armhf | |
| [13:15] <ogra_> s/-/\./ | |
| [13:16] <av500> for playing ogg files it does not matter if TI ported the IVAHD stuff to 12.04 | |
| [13:16] <ogra_> right | |
| [13:16] <djszapi> obviously. | |
| [13:16] <ogra_> it just matters that your alsa UCM setup is proper and the mixers are all adjusted right | |
| [13:17] <djszapi> alsaucm set _verb HiFi | |
| [13:17] <ogra_> but he said he went through all alsa debugging and latest upstream should have pointed to UCM | |
| [13:17] <djszapi> sudo alsactl store | |
| [13:17] <ogra_> yeah, that should give you the proper setup | |
| [13:17] <djszapi> sine wave: http://paste.kde.org/485102/ | |
| [13:17] <djszapi> alsa is running "fine". | |
| [13:17] <djszapi> I mean no errors, just one curious line | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> but the stuff is apparently playing by using ogg123 | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> however, no sound | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> pactl list clearly shows there is no proper sink stuff | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> just a dummy stuff | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> but then again, I do not care about pulse | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> if alsa works | |
| [13:18] <djszapi> and vice versa | |
| [13:19] <ogra_> are you sure you havent plugged into the mic socket ? | |
| [13:19] <ogra_> :) | |
| [13:19] <djszapi> totally sure | |
| [13:19] <djszapi> and I tried both | |
| [13:28] <ogra_> av500, actually your link makes me wonder, is the R-Pi boot blob freely (and commercially) distributable | |
| [13:29] <av500> ogra_: I dont know | |
| [13:29] <av500> and dont care :) | |
| [13:29] * ogra_ suspects that SD is highly illegal | |
| [13:29] <av500> of course, sine I bet you cannot send the guy a GPL Request | |
| [13:29] <av500> since* | |
| [13:29] <ogra_> that too | |
| [13:30] <av500> would be fun to get the card and than involve ebay and paypal over the GPL :) | |
| [13:30] <av500> copy it and return :) | |
| [13:30] <ogra_> i rather suspec the closed boot code to be nondistributable though | |
| [13:30] <ogra_> haha | |
| [13:30] * suihkulokki finds the concept of undistributable boot code silly | |
| [13:30] <av500> ogra_: I guess even mentioning the pi needs approval from the "Foundation" | |
| [13:30] <ogra_> yeah | |
| [13:31] <suihkulokki> it's not like you can use it on any competitors device? | |
| [13:31] <ogra_> all the R-Pi based phones ! | |
| [13:31] <av500> suihkulokki: its about the patented linked list inside.... | |
| [13:31] <ogra_> :) | |
| [13:32] * djszapi suspects that this metapackage installation takes at least 4-5 hours :( | |
| [13:33] <djszapi> or perhaps it is going to be ready in "just" 2-3 hours. | |
| [13:35] <ogra_> sounds about right depending on your SD card | |
| [13:36] <djszapi> Kingston 4 GB | |
| [13:40] <av500> thats like a lottery ticket | |
| [14:47] <jimerickson> how does one go about getting the 3.4.0-200.1 kernel for omap4? | |
| [15:01] * ogra_ doesnt know wheer that kernel version would come from | |
| [15:01] <ogra_> quantal has 3.4.0-201.2 currently | |
| [15:02] <ogra_> (and precise has 3.2.0-1413.17) | |
| [15:03] <djszapi> ogra_: funky, still "upgrading". | |
| [15:17] <djszapi> ogra_: guys are saying that in #alsa, it is a kernel regression | |
| [15:17] <djszapi> guessing* | |
| [15:17] <djszapi> so I do really wonder how it worked for you, if that is the case. | |
| [15:38] <dash> howdy. anybody here with an mx53 board that knows how to get it to do 1280x1024 on its vga out? looks lii need to discover | |
| [15:46] <ogra_> dash, infinity has such a board but i dont think he even has a monitor attached (not sure) | |
| [15:46] <ogra_> i think there are more mx53 users in #linaro | |
| [15:46] <dash> alrighty | |
| [15:47] <djszapi> ogra_: I think you were wrong | |
| [15:48] <djszapi> there are patches in 3.4 which makes the sound work | |
| [15:48] <djszapi> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2012-February/049246.html | |
| [15:48] <ogra_> djszapi, we dont use 3.4 in ubuntu | |
| [15:48] <djszapi> exactly | |
| [15:48] <ogra_> (in 12.04 that is) | |
| [15:48] <djszapi> that is why it cannot work | |
| [15:48] <djszapi> on the contrary, the linaro guys might have taken care of this. | |
| [15:48] <ogra_> and have a very special tree with a lot of extra patches and backports | |
| [15:49] <djszapi> ogra_: in 12.04 ? | |
| [15:49] <ogra_> and we definitely have working sound OOTB | |
| [15:49] <djszapi> not for the pandaboard | |
| [15:49] <ogra_> since 10.04 yes | |
| [15:49] <djszapi> see the kernel patch above | |
| [15:49] * ogra_ isnt intrested in kernel patches | |
| [15:49] <djszapi> then trust us | |
| [15:49] <djszapi> it cannot work | |
| [15:50] <djszapi> right, the desktop confirms me | |
| [15:50] <djszapi> still not working | |
| [15:50] <ogra_> works here after the first reboot after the install has run | |
| [15:51] <ogra_> every time | |
| [15:51] <ogra_> and on the Qa machines as well | |
| [15:51] <ogra_> (and i remember adding the necessary UCM changes before release and verifying them) | |
| [15:51] <ogra_> probably your board is broken or some such, i know for sure it works | |
| [15:52] <djszapi> well, I have three boards | |
| [15:52] <djszapi> all of them are non-working | |
| [15:52] <djszapi> although with the linary ubuntu stuff they all worked | |
| [15:52] <djszapi> it is only borked with the stock ubuntu stuff | |
| [15:52] <ogra_> then use that | |
| [15:52] <ogra_> the stock ubuntu stuff is using the linaro tree as a base btw | |
| [15:53] <djszapi> yes...after wasting 1-2 days.... | |
| [15:53] <ogra_> *shrug* | |
| [15:53] <djszapi> this is EXACTLY why I asked about the quality of 12.04... | |
| [15:53] <djszapi> it was already borked for gfx stuff... | |
| [15:53] <ogra_> it works here and in all QA tests | |
| [15:53] <djszapi> sure... | |
| [15:53] <ogra_> as well as the graphics | |
| [15:53] <djszapi> fix your QA tests | |
| [15:54] <djszapi> to represent more environments. | |
| [15:54] <ogra_> including unity-3d | |
| [15:54] <djszapi> show me the QA runs pls | |
| [15:54] <djszapi> with all the environments to see what that actually is doing | |
| [15:55] <djszapi> (for the pandaboard, that is) | |
| [15:55] <ogra_> we test the environments we support | |
| [15:55] <djszapi> Right, pandaboard Rev A3 is not supported | |
| [15:55] <djszapi> pretty please: make this clear for others so others do not necessarily need to waste 1-2 days. | |
| [15:56] <djszapi> because when I asked I was said "Of course, we support, do you think we provide bad quality?" | |
| [15:57] <ogra_> A1-ES are supported | |
| [15:57] <djszapi> answer: yes, it is unsupported and has bad quality | |
| [15:57] <ogra_> andd have been fully tested | |
| [15:57] <djszapi> with Rev A3 | |
| [15:57] <ogra_> a1-ES i said | |
| [15:57] <djszapi> no, you did not | |
| [15:57] <djszapi> you said, of course it works | |
| [15:57] <ogra_> no, i'm actually wrong, its A2 -ES | |
| [15:57] <djszapi> would we provide bad quality ? | |
| [15:58] <ogra_> we dropped A1 aupport in natty iirc | |
| [15:58] <djszapi> it is nor A1, nor A2 | |
| [15:58] <djszapi> it is A3 | |
| [15:58] <djszapi> and definitely not EES | |
| [15:58] <djszapi> ES* | |
| [15:58] <ogra_> yes, which is between A2 and ES | |
| [15:59] <djszapi> anyway, pretty please: make this clear on the website or some user visible place: 12.04 does not give a crap about Rev A3 | |
| [15:59] <djszapi> so others do not need to suffer from the very same issues. | |
| [16:01] <mythos> so, if i want mess more around with arm, should i buy a pandaboard es or something else? | |
| [16:01] <mythos> *want to | |
| [16:01] <djszapi> mythos: not A3 at least. | |
| [16:01] <ogra_> mythos, thats surely a good platform to get familiar with arm | |
| [16:02] <djszapi> try to get them answered for the very question: which models work? | |
| [16:02] <ogra_> and dont listen to the troll pleass | |
| [16:02] <ogra_> *please | |
| [16:02] * ogra_ thinks this is getting very tiring | |
| [16:02] <mythos> ogra_, ok... thanks | |
| [16:04] <djszapi> mythos: please handle advices carefully :) | |
| [16:04] <djszapi> I have also been said "surely works" | |
| [16:05] <djszapi> not really after a full day experimenting :( | |
| [16:05] <jimerickson> ogra just got 3.4.0-201.2 thanks | |
| [16:05] <ogra_> great :) | |
| [16:06] <ogra_> jimerickson, does it work ? (i dont think anyone but the uploader even tried it yet) | |
| [16:06] <mythos> djszapi, actually, if the armhf-port works, it would be fine too | |
| [16:06] <jimerickson> downloading now will reboot in afew | |
| [16:07] <mythos> *from debian | |
| [16:08] <djszapi> mythos: I see. Yeah, I would be very happy too, if a simple sound could be played with an Ubuntu image. I cannot seem to be able to manager that. I fall back to Linaro. | |
| [16:08] <mythos> djszapi, even if only armel would work, it would be fine ;) | |
| [16:08] <djszapi> manage*, ehh. | |
| [16:08] <ogra_> mythos, it should, though i have no clue what kernel they use in debian, its likiely upstream which misses the DSS patches | |
| [16:08] <djszapi> mythos: yeah, the point is working, I agree. :) | |
| [16:09] <mythos> ogra_, no problem. i will test that | |
| [16:09] <ogra_> userspace wise debian armhf is largely the same as ubuntu armhf | |
| [16:10] <ogra_> (same toolchain, same build options) | |
| [16:11] <mythos> i don't even need a working x11 driver. xvfb is good enough for my purpose | |
| [16:11] <ogra_> yeah, that will work fine | |
| [16:12] <ogra_> though as i said, not sure about the DSS patches | |
| [16:12] <ogra_> (which you will need even for xfbdev) | |
| [16:12] <mythos> ogra_, ok, thanks. i will see, when i have the board ^^ | |
| [16:13] <ogra_> :) | |
| [16:13] <djszapi> mythos: I would also consider linaro images. | |
| [16:13] <djszapi> they have some custom patches directly for the boards. | |
| [16:13] <ogra_> nothing the ubuntu kernel doesnt ship | |
| [16:13] <ogra_> (given the base tree is a merge of linaro and TI trees) | |
| [16:13] <mythos> djszapi, if i have to patch and compile it myself to use debian/ubuntu, so be it ;) | |
| [16:14] <ogra_> we have binaries for everything in the archive, no worries :) | |
| [16:14] <djszapi> mythos: just as an example, audio does not work here, but works fine with linaro | |
| [16:14] <djszapi> which I consider a basic functionality. | |
| [16:14] <djszapi> You can patch the ubuntu kernel yourself, but you do the same job as the linaro guys in the end. | |
| [16:15] <ogra_> audio works fine if you use a proper image and install it following the instructions | |
| [16:15] <djszapi> (if you do not make any mistakes in the workflow) | |
| [16:15] <mythos> djszapi, hmm... i have usb-audio-devices here. so i can work around this problem | |
| [16:15] <djszapi> mythos: why would you, if you have a working option oob ? | |
| [16:15] <ogra_> djszapi, couls you stop sprading FUD please | |
| [16:15] <ogra_> linaro doesnt use ubuntu trees or put anything on top of them | |
| [16:16] <mythos> djszapi, because i only want to test my software on the arm-device. a working audio-out would be nice, but is not necessary for me | |
| [16:16] <ogra_> and as i said, if you follow the instructions instead of hacking together your own solution with ignoring all good advice various people give you, then yes, sound might not work | |
| [16:17] <mythos> djszapi, and with pulseaudio, i could use tunneling for audio too. so i don't even need a audiodevice for the armboard | |
| [16:17] <djszapi> mythos: yep, but they also deal with other things, not just audio. | |
| [16:18] <jimerickson> ogra while installing Assertion Error: file must be in binary mode. dkms reports bad return for module build. reported bug. do i dare to reboot to the new kernel? | |
| [16:19] <ogra_> jimerickson, thats likely the PVR driver | |
| [16:19] <ogra_> assuming you have it installed over there | |
| [16:19] <jimerickson> ah ok so a reboot is ok? yes i have it installed. | |
| [16:19] <ogra_> might give you broken X | |
| [16:20] <ogra_> but consoles should still work ... | |
| [16:20] <jimerickson> i can handle that much | |
| [16:20] <djszapi> mythos: for instance my colleague had issues with the hardware acceleration | |
| [16:20] <djszapi> mythos: he also had to use linary things where those were fixed up. | |
| [16:20] <mythos> <ogra_> (which you will need even for xfbdev) <-- oh, i overread that. xvfb uses a framebuffer in ram and to access it, you have to use vnc or something similar | |
| [16:20] <djszapi> 12.04 was broken for that | |
| [16:21] <djszapi> linaro*, cannot type :) | |
| [16:21] <mythos> djszapi, hw-accel for videoout? | |
| [16:21] <mythos> djszapi, i don't need that either | |
| [16:21] <ogra_> mythos, DSS is driving all the kernel side display stuff including /dev/fb0 | |
| [16:21] <mythos> ogra_, xvfb does not need any fb-device | |
| [16:21] <djszapi> mythos: I am not saying you need. I am saying linaro works in many areas to fix up shortcomings, hence providing a more robust solution. | |
| [16:22] <ogra_> mythos, do you mean xvfb vs xfbdev ? | |
| [16:22] <mythos> ogra_, it only needs ram | |
| [16:22] <mythos> ogra_, yeah, we speak from something different ;) | |
| [16:22] <ogra_> yeah, indeed, thats virtual, sorry, i though you talked about xfbdev | |
| [16:23] <mythos> djszapi, but does linaro have debian-packagement? | |
| [16:23] <ogra_> right, xvfb doesnt need any graphics ... thats what we use on build machines if a package needs a running x server | |
| [16:23] <djszapi> mythos: yep | |
| [16:23] <ogra_> mythos, linaro is ubuntu just not supported | |
| [16:23] <ogra_> they provide monthly snapshots from the ubuntu archive | |
| [16:23] <mythos> ogra_, djszapi, ok | |
| [16:24] <djszapi> mythos: at least for me, that works :) | |
| [16:25] <mythos> djszapi, ok, i keep that in mind ;) | |
| [16:25] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Just an fyi, xvfb doesn't support 3D. Might want to pass it along. | |
| [16:26] <ogra_> GrueMaster, heh, i took that as a given :) | |
| [16:26] <mythos> GrueMaster, not even with llvmpipe? | |
| [16:27] <GrueMaster> Yea, well I heard a nasty rumor that they are killing 2D support. | |
| [16:27] <GrueMaster> Not sure if llvmpipe works. | |
| [16:27] <ogra_> well, mesa should work at least | |
| [16:27] <ogra_> not that it might be fun to use though | |
| [16:27] <mythos> GrueMaster, they do, they do | |
| [16:27] <djszapi> mythos: llvmpipe might, but not sure that is a good idea | |
| [16:27] <ogra_> GrueMaster, right, 2D will be droped | |
| [16:27] <ogra_> but i thinnk thats post Q stuff | |
| [16:27] <GrueMaster> (I'm actually doing remote python Gui development on an amd64 system - not arm). | |
| [16:28] <mythos> djszapi, on an arm? sure that is a rocket | |
| [16:28] <ogra_> for quantal it will just not see new features | |
| [16:29] <djszapi> mythos: Llvmpipe even achieves better performance than the | |
| [16:29] <djszapi> GPU on some low end systems | |
| [16:29] <djszapi> "although with higher CPU usage and thus power consumption, but you probably already accepted those consequences when you chose a system without OpenGL acceleration)." | |
| [16:29] <djszapi> this was written to the qt development mailing list after the directx support question | |
| [16:31] <djszapi> mythos: FTR: http://releases.linaro.org/latest/ubuntu/leb-panda/ | |
| [16:33] <mythos> djszapi, thanks ;) | |
| [16:34] <mythos> but i don't even have a panda-es at the moment | |
| [16:34] <mythos> i'm going to buy one today, so... | |
| [16:38] <jimerickson> ogra it doesn't boot. is there a daily image for omap4 somewhere i can't seem to find one. | |
| [16:38] <ogra_> jimerickson, not yet, we only stat 12.10 dailies in about two weeks | |
| [16:38] <ogra_> *start | |
| [16:39] <infinity> Hrm? | |
| [16:39] <infinity> Dailies are building now, though they seem to be failing on !ac100. | |
| [16:39] <ogra_> infinity, we dont ? i havent seen any successfull buiold yet | |
| [16:40] <jimerickson> ogra ok thank you. | |
| [16:40] <ogra_> and i thought we wanted to do the preinstalled->live switch before A1 anyway | |
| [16:40] <infinity> Er, I don't even see logs for ubuntu-omap* ... Did someone break things again? :/ | |
| [16:40] * infinity looks. | |
| [16:40] <ogra_> i get mails every day | |
| [16:40] <ogra_> but empty ones | |
| [16:41] <ogra_> and i didnt bother to look yet before the live switch | |
| [16:41] <ogra_> since we will build differently anyway and run into new issues with that | |
| [16:42] <infinity> True. Still, having them not building at all right now seems like an issue. | |
| [16:42] <ogra_> well, lets do the switch and then fix it, i dont really see a reason to waste work on preinstalled if they go away | |
| [16:42] <infinity> Oddly enough, kubuntu-omap4 is building. | |
| [16:43] <infinity> I wonder if maybe some machines just fell over when I wasn't looking. | |
| [16:43] <ogra_> i saw some debootstrap issues in some builds | |
| [16:43] <infinity> Friggin' shoestring and bubblegum. | |
| [16:43] <ogra_> "no such script" for quantal | |
| [16:43] <ogra_> might be that they need chroot updates | |
| [16:44] <infinity> The chroots auto-update. | |
| [16:44] <ogra_> well, its one of the few mails that have content that show this error | |
| [16:44] <ogra_> i thought they auto-update, but for that particular case it seems they didnt | |
| [16:45] <infinity> I see no logs for quantal on araceae.buildd at all. | |
| [16:45] <jimerickson> ogra ok with a hardware reset and a full power cycle i got it to boot to a full desktop. i disabled the pvr driver before the reboot. very pleased! | |
| [16:45] <ogra_> jimerickson, awesome, thanks for the feedback ! | |
| [16:46] <jimerickson> ogra no problem! we will see you around. i am back to lurking. | |
| [16:47] <ogra_> :) | |
| [16:47] <infinity> Odds are that no one set up the livefs chroots on the spare builders. Meh. | |
| [16:47] <infinity> I'll look into that later. | |
| [16:47] <ogra_> infinity, but seriously, dont invest time to fix preinstalled, its not worth it | |
| [16:47] <ogra_> lets focus on live | |
| [16:48] <djszapi> are there pre-built images what linaro also provides ? | |
| [16:48] <ogra_> no | |
| [16:49] <ogra_> you have to use linaro-media-create or however that tool is called | |
| [16:49] <djszapi> I do not | |
| [16:49] <djszapi> they have ready made stuff | |
| [16:49] <djszapi> only thing needed: dd | |
| [16:49] <ogra_> lucky you then | |
| [16:49] <djszapi> see the link above | |
| [16:50] <infinity> ogra_: Eh? Fixing the buildds is needed regardless of what we build on them. | |
| [16:50] <ogra_> infinity, sure | |
| [16:50] <ogra_> what i mean is that we should switch asap to vfat live | |
| [16:50] <ogra_> and ignore any preinstalled issues | |
| [16:51] <ogra_> i assume we will run into enough issues given we didnt use live on arm for years | |
| [16:53] <infinity> I'm more optimistic. | |
| [16:53] <ogra_> heh | |
| [16:53] <infinity> Given that d-i installs work, and live (apart from installing) is pretty arch-agnostic, it should mostly Just Work. | |
| [16:53] <ogra_> i expect a lot of casper issues (but am prepared to fix them) | |
| [16:53] <infinity> Except for the speed issue, which we can't fix. | |
| [16:54] <ogra_> (thats why i made it a WI :) ) | |
| [17:01] <dash> infinity: rumor has it you know stuf about the mx53 board | |
| [17:01] <dash> infinity: are you familiar with setting vga resolution on it? | |
| [17:05] <djszapi> ogra_: how can I install the desktop image without hdmi device ? | |
| [17:06] <djszapi> and without proper cable ? | |
| [17:06] <ogra_> djszapi, you cant | |
| [17:06] <djszapi> that is for confirming. | |
| [17:06] <djszapi> thanks for* | |
| [17:16] <infinity> dash: It's been a while since I messed with it. There are some obscure docs at Freescale that detail the kernel command line arguments for display output. | |
| [17:16] <dash> Yeah | |
| [17:17] <dash> I did what I thought they said, and got no luck. :) | |
| [17:19] <dash> setenv bootargs ro console=ttymxc0,115200n8 root=UUID=12460c31-1685-4cb8-a8d5-1cfe1d441b16 video=mxcdi1fb:RGB24,VGA-SXGA vga di1_primary | |
| [17:19] <dash> i still get 1024x768 same as before =/ | |
| [17:28] <mythos> ok, i orderd one... but 20$ wire-transfer charge is a bit high, imho | |
| [17:29] <dash> shoulda used bitcoin | |
| [17:30] <mythos> there was no option for bitcoins | |
| [17:30] <mythos> ;) | |
| [17:42] <djszapi> ogra_: finally, I got the sound work even with the server preinstalled stuff | |
| [17:48] <djszapi> I mean alsa, I do not give anything about pulse really :) | |
| [17:58] <damian0815> djszapi: did you need to modprobe something by hand? | |
| [17:58] <djszapi> damian0815: nope | |
| [17:58] <damian0815> huh | |
| [17:59] <damian0815> ok | |
| === krosswin1z is now known as krosswindz | |
| [18:59] <djszapi> ogra_: ping | |