2012/05/23/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:31] <apachelogger> hm
[00:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[00:32]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> ~karma
[00:33] <kubotu> karma for JontheEchidna: 14
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> : D
[00:33] <apachelogger> cheat
[00:33] <apachelogger> ~karma
[00:33] <kubotu> karma for apachelogger: 14
[00:33] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:33] <apachelogger> now that is wrong
[00:33] <apachelogger> there you have it, I'll stop developing as I am under appreciated
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[00:34] <apachelogger> didn't I want to do that at some point already?
[00:34] <apachelogger> like 2 years ago
[00:34] <apachelogger> back to the roots I always say
[00:34] <apachelogger> what I need is a new kind of minion
[00:35] <apachelogger> also what kde needs is project timelord^2
[00:40] <claydoh> apachelogger: sure, will make folks (or one folk) see we do pay attention
[00:40] <claydoh> re color schemes
[00:40] <apachelogger> kthx
[00:40] <apachelogger> claydoh: what about talk-to-dev days?
[00:41] <claydoh> thank you to apachelogger and JontheEchidna for the great work!
[00:42] <claydoh> apachelogger:  a really really good idea imo, jut be prepared for some tough-ish questions ;)
[00:43] <apachelogger> better to have tough questions answered than people ranting :P
[00:43] <claydoh> but some insight into how things are done, the restrictions and limitations there are, as well as the places we can go
[00:43] <claydoh> oh, they will rant anyway, haven't you figure that out yet :p
[00:45] <apachelogger> a decent person will not after having another person having spent their time talking to them :P
[00:45] <claydoh>  the lack of firefox kde integration seems to be the rant or issue du jour
[00:45] <apachelogger> that is, I envision more direct interaction, not those regular people come to channel and loads of devs flood them with info
[00:45] <apachelogger> and perhaps at the same time start musing and discussing the things among each other
[00:46] <apachelogger> claydoh: actually the only post I saw regarding that was correctly pointing out that while sad it is not really anyone's fault but mozillas ;)
[00:46] <apachelogger> was on some danish or french forum
[00:47] <claydoh> that would be ideal
[00:47] <apachelogger> we should just convert the firefox installer to a chromium installer
[00:47] <apachelogger> then we can go ... "use sensible software" :P
[00:47] <claydoh> apachelogger: but some minor gnashing of teeth at the change
[00:48] <claydoh> regular people don't like change lol
[00:48] <apachelogger> well, they can still use firefox and if they have it installed it will not affect them
[00:48] <apachelogger> but we'd make a point
[00:48] <apachelogger> "if you screw our users, we do not care for your software"
[00:49] <claydoh> apachelogger: agreed
[00:49] <claydoh> hear some ideas from them, may be good ones that turn up
[00:50] <claydoh> and perhaps recruit more minions in the docs arena
[00:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:50] <claydoh> starbuck posted in kfn suggesting a kububtu/kde news type of site
[00:50] <apachelogger> though my primary incentive is stimulate direct communication with devs
[00:50] <claydoh> looking for names
[00:51] <claydoh> I think that is also a good idea
[00:51] <claydoh> kde/kubuntu news, how-to's interviews with the team
[00:51] <apachelogger> claydoh: that requires people doing it ^^
[00:55] <claydoh> I could handle some of that, starbuck was  looking for url ideas for it
[00:55] <apachelogger> I mean, running the site
[00:55] <claydoh> said they have a similar magazine site for netrunner
[00:56] <apachelogger> yeah, but you need a community to provide content
[00:56] <apachelogger> if you have to put 5 emloyees behind it to make it work it does not make sense IMHO
[00:56] <apachelogger> stuff like that should be self-sustaining in the long run
[00:58] <apachelogger> which is tricky because writing (good) articles is a tedious process and you always need to provide new content, otherwise no one will visit the site on a regular basis causing demotivation with the contributors 
[01:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did I mention that msc needs to become hotter?
[01:01] <claydoh> apachelogger:  look at omgbuntu.........
[01:02] <claydoh> said with tongue firmly planted in cheek
[01:03] <apachelogger> claydoh: don't they make monies with it?
[01:04] <claydoh> no idea
[01:04] <apachelogger> well they do have a company
[01:04] <apachelogger> so I'd assume their intention is to make monies
[01:08] <claydoh> we could do as well or better than http://netrunner-mag.com
[01:09] <claydoh> I think we have people in the community that would give more than just one writer
[01:10] <apachelogger> yes
[01:10] <apachelogger> BUT having one person spend their work time on writing stuff makes a solid base
[01:10] <claydoh> yes
[01:11] <apachelogger> i.e. it comensates for the mandatory flux of community contributions (RL getting in the way and what not)
[01:11] <claydoh> bbl, having tea, a rather late tea
[01:11] <claydoh> omg
[01:11] <apachelogger> that said, most of the articles are agnostic enough to be shared ... so that is an option one would want to look into ;)
[01:11] <claydoh> She already has me speaking non-american English! lol
[01:12] <apachelogger> lol
[01:14] <claydoh> Darned red headed Aussie woman is going to assimilate me back into the British empire weee!
[01:14] <claydoh> ok not "back"
[01:17] <apachelogger> http://theworldofm.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/queens-letter/ ? :P
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that's what Muon Discover is for
[01:23] <claydoh> apachelogger:  naw, just an Australian girlfriend
[01:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes, but it fails to integrate :P
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> for now :P
[01:24] <apachelogger> claydoh: :)
[01:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: excuses :P
[01:26]  * apachelogger wants awesome - now!
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[01:27] <JontheEchidna> lol
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> btw, we can make our own "Kubuntu featured apps" slideshow for muon discover if we can get a server to serve up something like this: http://jacknjoe.net/api/packages/featured
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[01:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that is handy
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[01:30] <apachelogger> stupid splitting
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> bleh
[01:31] <apachelogger> also we need a new website
[01:31] <apachelogger> ETOOMUCHTEXT
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> again?
[01:32] <apachelogger> also the top and icon navigation make your's truely go whoop whoop
[01:39] <apachelogger> skaet is getting us a quantal todo page set up
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[03:12] <JontheEchidna> lol, lunchpad strikes again: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-bugs/2012-May/123060.html
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[10:10] <apachelogger> Bug Wars - The Lunch Strikes Back
[10:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so I am not allowed to ever file the SRU bug :P
[10:11] <apachelogger> hooray
[11:18] <yofel_> JontheEchidna: bwahaha.
[11:18] <yofel_> Guess I'm back to sru-bugfiling-script-writing
[11:18] <yofel_> *sigh*
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[11:18] <yofel> ~karma yofel
[11:18] <kubotu> karma for yofel: 16
[11:19] <yofel> lol
[11:19] <yofel> apachelogger++
[11:19] <yofel> JontheEchidna++
[11:23] <apachelogger> http://9gag.com/gag/4243611
[11:24] <yofel> tough piece of work ^^
[11:25] <apachelogger> hm
[11:25] <apachelogger> no jr?
[11:26] <yofel> he said he's taking a few weeks off for burnout prevention
[11:27] <yofel> (that was 2 weeks ago IIRC)
[11:27] <apachelogger> ah
[11:28] <apachelogger> which reminds me
[11:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when do I get data on time-spent?
[11:28] <yofel> time-spent?
[11:30] <apachelogger> what we spend time on so that we can automated the tasks ;)
[11:30] <apachelogger> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx
[11:30] <yofel> ah
[11:57] <apachelogger> always these long mails
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <apachelogger> lo
[12:06] <apachelogger_> quassel really needs UI fixes
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[12:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: FWIW, I think the supportedness in muon is rather negative anyway
[12:53] <apachelogger> should be something like supported by cannonical vs. supported by the community
[12:54] <apachelogger> as it is right now it suggests that only software supported by canonical is supported software
[13:05] <ScottK> That's true.
[13:05] <ScottK> It could just as well say supported by $JRSNEWEMPLOYER and the Kubuntu community.
[13:06] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:06] <apachelogger> too long :P
[13:06] <jtechidna> hmm, but if we were to do that we'd need to somehow differentiate between that and the rest of universe, or wherever our packages land
[13:06] <apachelogger> also that conflicts with the idea of making kubuntu independent ;)
[13:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Maintainer = kubuntu-devel || Maintainer = *@kubuntu.org?
[13:07] <jtechidna> that could work
[13:07] <ScottK> People will get put off by no longer maintained by Canonical.
[13:07] <apachelogger> yeah, that is for sure
[13:07] <apachelogger> hm
[13:08] <jtechidna> apachelogger: but then there is stuff in main that we sync from debian that has them as the maintainers
[13:08] <apachelogger> yah, just thought of it
[13:08] <apachelogger> well
[13:08] <apachelogger> I propose two support sets
[13:08] <apachelogger> supported by canonical
[13:08] <apachelogger> supported by the community
[13:08] <apachelogger> latter could have a subset supported by the kubuntu community, though I do not see the benefit in that
[13:09] <apachelogger> that said, if you want to mess with canonical you could make it supported by the Kubuntu community (on everything that is not canonical :P)
[13:10] <apachelogger> god how I hate that branding mess
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[13:12] <ScottK> The binary packages all have a *buntu maintainer as they are mangled during build.
[13:12] <ScottK> Even if the source is sync'ed from Debian and still shows the Debian maintainer.
[13:13] <apachelogger> oh, cool
[13:13] <ScottK> Of course parts of the system are still supported by Canonical.  We aren't rolling our own kernel.
[13:13] <ScottK> So supported by is a bit nuanced in any case.
[13:14] <apachelogger> the information is only useful for support contract usrs anyway
[13:15] <jtechidna|work> OSS achievement get: Be quoted 4 levels deep in a mailing list. :P
[13:15] <apachelogger> it's all supported by someone, otherwise it would not be in the archive ^^
[13:15] <apachelogger> jtechidna|work: Oo
[13:44] <ScottK> yofel: Are you planning on looking after the retries needed for 4.8.3?  I started mashing retry buttons for i386, but don't know I'll be able to sort them all out.
[13:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: It looks like yofel neglected the l10n upload for 4.8.3 in precise-proposed.  Could you do that?
[14:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: heading to a meeting right now, I'd earliest get to it in 3 hours
[14:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: That'd be great.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ok ..BBL , stuff to do
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[15:21] <ScottK> yofel: Nevermind.  I'm doing the retries.
[15:22] <yofel> ok, just got home
[15:22] <yofel> I didn't manage to do l10n yesterday (apachelogger: did you upload?)
[15:28] <ScottK> yofel: He didn't yet.
[15:28] <yofel> then I'll do it (takes an ~hour to generate)
[15:31] <CIA-42> [kde-l10n-common-precise] Philip Muškovac * 118 * debian/ (changelog config) branch off for precise
[15:40] <yofel> ScottK: and the packages that I can't upload are:
[15:40] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pkgs/blinken_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1.dsc
[15:40] <yofel> http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pkgs/cantor_4.8.3-0ubuntu0.1.dsc
[15:44] <ScottK> yofel: Please sign the packages.
[15:46] <ScottK> Without that, I've got no way to verify what I downloaded is correct.
[15:47] <yofel> oh, sec
[15:48] <yofel> ScottK: try again
[15:49] <ScottK> K.
[15:50] <ScottK> Done.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok ,yardwork beckons ...time to get off my butt and get moving ...later folks
[15:55] <technoviking> quick question, what is the hex color for Kubuntu blue?
[16:18] <apachelogger> yay, less works for me \o/
[18:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: time is mostly spent on exams xD
[18:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Can't do it before the 6th of next month in any case
[18:06] <apachelogger> by that time I will have died of boredom
[18:08] <dasKreech> Who would I speak to about NM ?
[18:09] <apachelogger> the NM developers? :P
[18:10] <dasKreech> Debugging :) 
[18:10] <dasKreech> I have someone with a USB network card that isn't loading the drier
[18:11] <dasKreech>  Loaded up the pegasus chipset driver and it turns on but then resets everytime it gets an IP address with Carrier Off 
[18:11] <dasKreech> which happens to be a recent NM bug so I'm trying to figure out if it's the driver (I think more likely)or the NM bug
[18:18] <apachelogger> driver :P
[18:18] <apachelogger> dasKreech: try #ubuntu-devel
[18:18] <dasKreech> apachelogger: ok good idea
[18:18] <apachelogger> asac does nm stuff I think
[18:35] <BluesKaj> dasKreech:  does the pegasus need NM to run , perhaps removong NM and running with static lan settings in the network interfaces file will workaround the problem
[18:38] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: No idea
[18:40] <BluesKaj> dasKreech, then actionparsnip iin #ubuntu might know , if he's there today
[18:41] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: He's helping :)
[18:49] <dasKreech> apachelogger: is it me or does the service command not use stdout ?
[18:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: have you already merged everything?
[18:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: we merged *something* - lots left to do
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[18:56] <shadeslayer> the pad is a bit confusing tbh
[19:00]  * shadeslayer waves fist at MoM
[19:01] <highvoltage> they should've bought her a new server for mother's day
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apparently it's supposed to be working
[19:03] <shadeslayer> gtg
[19:14] <soee> hi, yofel any news about 4.9 ?
[19:14] <yofel> soee: won't be ready that soon, but first of all, 4.9 wasn't even tagged yet by KDE ^^
[19:15] <yofel> the date's tomorrow
[19:15] <soee> oh, thouth beta was planned on 22 may?
[19:15] <yofel> soee: 30th http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.9_Release_Schedule - but we won't make that
[19:16] <soee> so the dates chenged :)
[19:28] <yofel> hm, scripting sru bug filing wasn't as tricky as I feared... https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kate/+bug/971231
[19:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 971231 in xorg (Ubuntu) "X leaks memory and becomes unusable" [Undecided,Invalid]
[20:15] <technoviking> quick question, what is the hex color for Kubuntu blue?
[20:16] <sreich> couldn't you just use kcolorpicker?
[21:17] <swecarp>  is there anny way to chage the background coulers in kickoff panel
[21:18] <sreich> by changing the plasma theme
[21:18] <sreich> or customizing individual parts of it through the ui
[21:18] <sreich> system settings->workspace appearance
[21:22] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x84m3YyO2oU
[21:22] <swecarp> sreich,  what i mean can i change the wite background to the icons
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