2012/03/16/#kubuntu.txt

[01:15] <Avihay> anyone knows of a good software that shows you your memory usage?
[01:17] <James147> Avihay: "free -m"
[01:19] <Avihay> James147: thanks, not what I meant,
[01:19] <James147> Avihay: then say waht you mean :)
[01:19] <Avihay> mmm, well, how do I put it into words
[01:20] <James147> Avihay: what are you trying to find out?
[01:20] <Unit193> I could say `htop`....
[01:20] <Avihay> mem tells me that I'm useing 3-3.5gb of memory
[01:20] <Avihay> except for FF with 0.5GB, I don't know where my memory is going
[01:20] <James147> Avihay: htop or press "alt+esc"
[01:21] <James147> (or run system montor)
[01:21] <CheckIn> James147: You mean ctrl+Esc
[01:21] <Avihay> I tried ps -aux , and dumped it all into a spreadsheet. according to that, I'm either using 25MB or 25GB of memory..
[01:21] <CheckIn> Avihay: alt+F2 -> Ksysguard
[01:21] <James147> CheckIn: yes that one :)
[01:22] <Avihay> if I manually sum up my programs with sysgurd, I'm not getting anywhere near the 2GB mark which is how much ram I have, yet free says I use a good 2GB of swap
[01:23] <Avihay> and my computer's favorite pastime seems to be swapping
[01:24] <James147> Avihay: the linux kernel will swap before you each the max memory, so that it has some room for the file cache
[01:24] <Avihay> so, know of any good graphical software that shows you your memory usage? and doesn't lie?
[01:25] <James147> Avihay: its not lieing... memory allocation is just more complecated then you think
[01:27] <Avihay> ok, so according to you, I should ask how to set the kernel file cache to something more reasonable?
[01:27] <James147> Avihay: if you want to find what applications are taking up memory, then sort it by memory... if you want to know whats using up every last part of your memory then your going to need to look into how linux manages memory...
[01:28] <James147> Avihay: no... it probally is sensable... you can set the swappyness (how often the kenel swaps things out of memory), but you shouldnt need to
[01:29] <Avihay> well, according to ksysgurd, I am now using (after closeing the main memory eaters) less then 400MB
[01:29] <James147> Avihay: are you having problems with your computer in any other respect? (is it being slow?) if not then you shouldnt need to worry to much about how linux is handleing your memory
[01:30] <Avihay> acording to free, I'm useing 1.7GB of ram, and 1.1gb of swap
[01:30] <James147> Avihay: and the linux kernel wont flush the swap untill it needs stuff located on the swap
[01:30] <Avihay> well, it's slow because it's swapping alot
[01:31] <James147> Avihay: also, the totals in free list application memory + caches/buffers (ie file caches which the kernel will dump when you actually need the memory)
[01:31] <James147> Avihay: whats the +- buffers/cache line state?
[01:31] <Avihay> -/+ buffers/cache:     923108    1130788
[01:32] <Avihay> used , free
[01:33] <Avihay> while Mem:       total 2053896    used 1763248     free 290648 Swap:      total 3903788    used 1165684    free 2738104
[01:34] <James147> (its easier to read free when you pass it the -m arg)
[01:35] <James147> Avihay: but according to that your only using about 900M of application memory
[01:36] <Avihay> I should have waited with all my software still open
[01:38] <James147> Avihay: best things you can really do is 1) buy more ram (its relitivly cheap these days) or 2) optimise your program usage (use lightweight programs or don't open so many at once)
[01:39] <Avihay> James147: this is from before I started closeing stuff: http://paste.kde.org/440948/
[01:39] <CheckIn> Avihay: because Linux is so library based things get double counted or not counted enough depending on what's going on
[01:40] <James147> Avihay: that says you where using 1.2G of ram for applications and 2.1G of swap for applications (rest of ram will be caches/buffers)
[01:41] <Avihay> so a total of 3.3GB worth of application memory?
[01:41] <James147> Avihay: yup
[01:42] <James147> Avihay: which is more ram then you ahve so swaping is going to happen...
[01:43] <Avihay> that's crazy, the difference between those free reads were closeing (and reopening FF) and wine with an ole game, and something minor that I can't recall
[01:43] <James147> Avihay: firefox can use gigs of memory if you have pages open
[01:44] <Avihay> sysgurd stated 0.5GB
[01:46]  * James147 wonders if firefox dose what chromium dose and use multiple processes....
[01:47] <Avihay> no, FF still uses one thread
[01:47] <Avihay> err process
[01:49] <James147> Avihay: best thing to do is list it by what process uses the most memory, then tring to reduce its memory usage (either by disalbing plugins... reducing how many document etc you have open or various other things dependong on the program) or by looking for a lightweight alternitive
[01:49] <James147> Avihay: some things you might want to do are, disable unused desktop effects, disable unused plugins in krunner, disable nepomuks indexer (if you don't use it)
[01:50] <Avihay> disabling nepomuk was hard
[01:52] <James147> Avihay: also, try installing kubuntu-low-fat-settings as it will enable options (or rather, disable stuff) to reduce memory usage
[01:53] <CheckIn> James147: Nope Though it does sandbox Flash now
[01:54] <CheckIn> Avihay: I don't know how much you can liv without it but when I was running KDE from 4.0 to 4.3 I just turned off the desktop and only used krunner
[01:54] <CheckIn> No menus no backgrounds etc
[01:54] <Avihay> turned off the desktop?
[01:55] <Avihay> no plasma shell then?
[01:55] <CheckIn> Avihay: Right
[01:55] <CheckIn> Pretty much everything I needed I can get to it through krunner but I don't knwo if that is the same for you
[01:56] <Avihay> no, I can't live without a full shell
[02:06]  * Avihay starts to stare at razor-qt
[02:10] <Avihay> no activities, right? ... :-<
[02:12] <CheckIn> Avihay: oooh right..
[02:12] <CheckIn> Avihay: Actually wait. Doesn't Kwin manage activities?
[02:14] <Avihay> well, there's this kactivityd that used to leak my memory dry and spam xsessionerror
[02:17] <Avihay>  "it is supposed to worked with an existing window manager. The Razor-qt developers prefer Openbox, but it can work with everything else, from Kwin to fvwm."
[02:19] <CheckIn> Razor-qt isn't bad if you can't get more memory
[02:19] <CheckIn> and I suppose don't want to turn of KDE stuff
[02:21] <Avihay> mmm, problem is, I'm probably in love with the KDE DE. I can't find any other explanation why I have put up with it for this long
[02:22] <JMichaelX> i hope razor-qt takes off. i have been hoping for a lighter-weight Qt-based DE for a long time
[02:22] <JMichaelX> some aspects of KDE are just out of control, in my opinion
[02:26] <CheckIn> Avihay: I understand :-)
[02:27] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: I've never understood why no other Qt majot projects exist. I've always attributed it to how easy it is work with KDE
[02:28] <CheckIn> Whereas there are 1/2 dozen looslely coupled Gtk big projects but none of them are easy to work with ;-/
[02:28] <Avihay> well, I guess the only other alternative to kde is xfce (if you want a full de)
[02:29] <JMichaelX> it is easy to work with KDE is what sense?
[02:29] <CheckIn> E! :)
[02:29] <Avihay> E as in enlightment?
[02:29] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: You just ask for a commit login and you get one a few minutes later with a space to work in
[02:29] <CheckIn> Avihay: Yes
[02:29] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: ok, gotcha
[02:30] <Avihay> tried, too alien, also not fully featured (first thing that hit me was the lack of a network manager), wierd input issues and rendering artifects...
[02:31] <JMichaelX> Avihay: there are several network managers to choose from. could't you just install wicd or gnome's network manager?
[02:31] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: Gnome in particular is pretty hard to get them to compromise on something they have decided on
[02:31] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i am sure that is true.
[02:32] <JMichaelX> i have never been a fan of gnome, for that and several other reasons
[02:32] <CheckIn> if anyone wanted to do any Work with a Qt project it's almost stupid to not join in with KDE rather than building your own thing
[02:32] <Avihay> I guess I could, it also had a good searching algorithm in it's launcher if I recall correctly
[02:33] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: there are a lot of people out there who feel that KDE is extremely bloated
[02:33] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: Hence Razor-qt
[02:33] <CheckIn> That's a pretty logical reason to start a brand new Qt project and so they have
[02:33] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: yes, which is not a KDE project to my knowledge
[02:33] <CheckIn> Extremely bloated may be an opinion but I don't know that there is much to back that up
[02:34] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: It's not. I don't think it uses any Klibs at all
[02:35] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: to be specific, i know that many people would love to give nepomuk/virtuoso/akonadi and the whole 'semantic desktop' the boot... including me
[02:35] <CheckIn> remove your clock from the desktop ^_^ done
[02:36] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i think you are wrong there.... that was the case until 4.7 or so, but i don't think it is anymore
[02:37] <Avihay> I'd actually use nepomuk if it didn't feel like churring my HDD for a few hours every reboot...
[02:37] <JMichaelX> Avihay: that and munching up RAM
[02:37] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: What's it tied into now?
[02:38] <daedalus> sorry for the quit/joins
[02:38] <SIR_Taco> really...
[02:38] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i will not insist that you are wrong, but when i try now to disable all of that, it throw (in classic KDE style) about 6 or 7 popup warning at me, all at once, upon starting a KDE session
[02:39] <SIR_Taco> once it's done it's first index, there should be little overhead. (and the initial indexing has been tweeked so as not to be such a pain)
[02:39] <Avihay> would have also been nice if nepomuk would get the hint, and stop running when you disable it from the kcm. removeing the exe's from /usr/bin feels so wrong
[02:41] <CheckIn> JMichaelX: I think it's tied into the calendar on the clock. I haven't tested in 4.8 (Really need to install that) but that should stop akonadi/nepomuk unless you use Kmail of course
[02:41] <CheckIn> (I do use Kmail)
[02:42] <Avihay> would also be nice if jovie would work properly or stop working if you tell it to...
[02:42] <JMichaelX> there was something that happened after one of the more recent rounds of KDE updates that really made disk access increase... then the next update seems to have fixed that. during the period before the last (4.8.1 ?) updates, my fan was running way more than it should
[02:42] <JMichaelX> CheckIn: i will investigate that at some point possibly.
[02:43] <caronchen> Is there any way I can setup Kmail (Version 1.13.5) to use MS exchange server?
[02:44] <JMichaelX> my biggest issue with KDE is all of the problems with the task manager... i realize this is a Qt issue, but good grief is this annoying
[02:45] <JMichaelX> now there is a PPA that includes a patch for this problem, but in oneiric, the patch is only for KDE 4.7.4... which leaves out those using 4.8
[02:47] <Avihay> <JMichaelX> my biggest issue with KDE is all of the problems with the task manager...   that lasted for a few years, YEARS!
[02:49] <JMichaelX> Avihay: i have 6 machines running KDE 4.8... and all of them are plagued with that problem
[02:51] <Avihay> JMichaelX: I like the app name in my task manager, but I decided, now that kwin's compositing is reasonably fast on my intel gfx card, to see what kde has to offer, among other things, I tried the icons-only task manager
[02:51] <Avihay> it felt like I kinda betryed myself and gone the way of win7
[02:52] <JMichaelX> what is the icons-only task manager called? i am so sick of this task manager, i would be really to try about anything
[02:52] <Avihay> but, a task-manager that works fine, and has normal thumbnails, and even presents the windows from the same group
[02:53] <Avihay> I mean uses the present effect, only for that group
[02:54] <Avihay> I think it's called icons-only task manager
[02:54] <Avihay> that's what it says in the right-click menu
[03:05] <CheckIn> caronchen: Yes youc an Look for openchange I think
[03:07] <nafg> Avihay: Are you talking about a taskbar or a window switcher?
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[07:50] <k1sm4c> Hello everyone
[07:51] <k1sm4c> I was wondering if anyone here had any experience with su and xhost
[07:52] <noaXess> morning
[07:52] <noaXess> all
[07:52] <noaXess> ;)...
[07:52] <noaXess> is there a translator widget instead of google translator which is deprecated and will no longer be updated?
[07:55] <elkng> the size of "kubuntu-11.10-dvd-i386.iso" is 3.2G, why its not full DVD 4.7G ?
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[10:27] <TSK> Howdy
[10:28] <Tm_T> hello
[10:29] <TSK> Beta1, sweet...  Gettin' close to time for me to upgrade.  :)
[10:29] <TSK> Oooo.  It'sa LTS release, too.  Bonus.
[11:13] <McGuinnes> Hi
[11:13] <TSK> Greetings, McGuinnes
[11:14] <McGuinnes> in perl is: eval "require 'config.pl'" or die "Can't load config file\n"; obsolete? Did work for a couple of years ago ... :)
[11:15] <TSK> Might have more luck with that question over in #perl perhaps?  ;)
[11:17] <McGuinnes> well, maybe ;)
[11:18] <TSK> Personally, I know a whole lotta nothin' about Perl.  I'ma Python guy mostly these days.  :)
[11:21] <phloog> Cheers! How can I set the default font in acroread on Kubuntu 11.10? Is is some system-wide default font, or can it be configured in acroread itself somehow? I'm a bit lost...
[11:21] <phloog> (if no font has been embedded or set in the PDF...)
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[11:22] <TSK> Wow.  I'm sorry.  I'm pretty useless today.  I don't know the answer to that question either.
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[11:29] <James147> phloog: okular tends to use system fonts (and generally looks better then acroread)
[11:30] <phloog> James147: Okay, but acroread seems to use some very narrow thin font for me, I wondered where that comes from - that's why I asked.
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[11:55] <BluesKaj> Hey all
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[13:15] <diego123> hi all, I have a strange problem with my kubuntu 11.10. When I start my sesion, the screen turns console mode and shows periodically "[sda] CDB: 2:0:0:0: Read(10)" sentences. I left like this for hours, and didn't end it. Now I'm on recovery mode, but I want back to my user session. What happens? Thanks so much
[13:15] <Peace-> diego123: i am not sure but...
[13:16] <Peace-> diego123: i guess your harddrive has some problems
[13:16] <Peace-> diego123: maybe you should to repair it
[13:16] <diego123> Im using it right now
[13:16] <diego123> :S
[13:18] <Peace-> diego123: yes but there is some problem
[13:18] <diego123> I know :(
[13:19] <Peace-> it's yoour harddirver
[13:19] <Peace-> you shoudl try to see if there are errors
[13:20] <Peace-> diego123: this hd is sata?
[13:22] <diego123> I dont know
[13:23] <BluesKaj> diego123,  how old is the computer?
[13:23] <Peace-> !badblocks
[13:24] <diego123> 5 years
[13:24] <diego123> but always worked fine
[13:24] <BluesKaj> diego123,  then it;s most like ly an ide drive
[13:25] <BluesKaj> diego123,  run . sudo fdisk -l
[13:26] <diego123> done
[13:27] <BluesKaj> any errors?
[13:27] <diego123> no
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  any suggestions ?
[13:28] <Peace-> badblocks
[13:28] <Peace-> fschk
[13:29] <BluesKaj> is there a command to show them if they exist ?
[13:29] <Peace-> yes
[13:29] <Peace-> BluesKaj: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[13:30] <diego123> What I can't understand is if the hard drive has problems, why I can use it within recovery mode?
[13:30] <Peace-> diego123: well recovery mode it's a way to try to fix the system
[13:30] <diego123> It must show the same problems too
[13:30] <Peace-> so...
[13:30] <diego123> ok ok
[13:31] <BluesKaj> fsck , gave some dire warnings about disk damage
[13:31] <BluesKaj> ifi continued
[13:33] <diego123> fsck sais "
[13:33] <diego123> WARNING!!!  The filesystem is mounted.   If you continue you ***WILL***
[13:33] <Peace-> BluesKaj: well you need to be sure you have not sensitive stuff
[13:33] <diego123> cause ***SEVERE*** filesystem damage.
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: well ... you just don't do anything
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: you should use a live cd to fix the system
[13:34] <Peace-> diego123: btw badblocks says you have problems ?
[13:34] <Peace-> right?
[13:35] <diego123> how I use badblocks?
[13:35] <Peace-> diego123: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[13:35] <Peace-> diego123: if you read it sasy
[13:36] <Peace-> diego123: sudo badblocks -v /dev/hda1 > bad-blocks
[13:36] <Peace-> that write your problems into the file  bad-blocks
[13:36] <Peace-> diego123: try to google better badblocks
[13:38] <diego123> running badblocks :)
[13:38] <diego123> 2.19%...
[13:39] <diego123> its too slow :)
[13:39] <noaXess> what is the alternative driver for nvidia grafic card? the open source one?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> if you have a large drive it will take a while
[13:39] <noaXess> nv? nouveau? what to install to replace nvidia-current?
[13:39] <noaXess> hey BluesKaj
[13:40] <noaXess> BluesKaj: Veromix does a good job ;)..
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah noaXess , i tried it but I don't need i
[13:40] <noaXess> it does not auto change from headphonfe to speaker if i plug out my headphone or vise versa... but i can do that over it's settings..
[13:40] <BluesKaj> it
[13:41] <BluesKaj> dunno much about veromix
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !veromix
[13:41] <BluesKaj> !info veromix
[13:41] <ubottu> Package veromix does not exist in oneiric
[13:41] <Peace-> !plasma-widget-veromix
[13:42] <Peace-> :D
[13:44] <BluesKaj> I suppopse if I needed veromix I would use it , but I'll keep it in mind for ppl with laptops
[13:44] <BluesKaj> seems to be a solution
[13:44] <Peace-> i have an old pc so..
[13:44] <Peace-> well notebook
[13:45] <BluesKaj> this pc is 4 yrs old
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Finally fixed the esata to sata connection. There was small piece of plastic stuck in the mobo sata port that was preventing proper contact and trimmed it off with my trusty swiss army knife and Voila! Now I don't have to suffer the USB 2 speeds when transferring files
[13:50] <BluesKaj> but my lder pc in the den seems kaput ...think the mobo is in bad shape , altho it recognizes some peripherals like KB, mouse and cdrom drive , it won't boot past the bios screen :(
[13:50] <BluesKaj> older
[13:56] <bmoez_> what is the minimum memory of video  cart for running kubuntu well in my pc with 512Mo of Ram?
[13:56] <bmoez_> with 1024x1280 for screen
[13:59] <BluesKaj> usually 1G RAM is enough , some ppl get by with a little less , if you have a separate pci graphics card then 512 RAM might work
[14:00] <bmoez_> think you :)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> bmoez_,  I would definitely increase to at least 1G RAM for faster computing
[14:02] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:54] <rtdos> unless you can add memory to that video card :)
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[16:10] <Laibsch> Is Jonathan Thomas around?
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[17:33] <hemmy> hiyaa
[17:33] <hemmy> wassup
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[17:40] <sayakb> hi, is there a way to set a static DNS server? i am using a mobile broadband connection.
[17:41] <sayakb> (and using the network management KCM module)
[17:58] <ubuntu> Hi, I'm on the Kubuntu 11.10 live cd, the installer just crashed on my while setting up a normal ext4 partition, http://pastebin.com/4WuXu1V7 , also html5 playback in the rekonq browser on youtube isn't working, the video and player loads but no audio/video, do the codecs not get loaded up in live disk or soemthing or is it the browser's fault? thx
[17:59] <ubuntu> Also just like to say from what I can see and from the way everything looks and feels this looks like it'll be the best KDE distro evar :D
[18:01] <GirlyGirl> ubuntu: Can you try the alternate installer ... it always seems so much more reliable
[18:01] <ubuntu> The alternative live cd?
[18:02] <ubuntu> omg i've just noticed you have to click the icons at the bottom of the KDE menu, that is genius I hate it accidentally switching on other distros <3
[18:04] <ubuntu> GirlyGirl, do you mean the alternative live cd?
[18:04] <GirlyGirl> no
[18:04] <GirlyGirl> alternate install cd
[18:05] <ubuntu> oh ok, damn, worse aspect of python is these bugs dont show up until it's put in production lots of times ;(
[18:06] <ubuntu> BTW it's rekonq failing at HTML5 youtube, firefox is doing it fine
[18:09] <ubuntu> BTW that installer crash happened while the desktop was loaded in live cd styleee, it installed correctly last night on a VM so it's either the fact i was in live cd, the fact I had rekonq on, something else weird like hardware or drivers, formatting as ext4, clicking other partitions while it was formatting as ext4 :P <comprehensive bug report ^o^
[18:12] <karam> hi
[18:38] <JMichaelX> anyone know of a Qt-based mpd client?
[18:43] <genii-around> !info qmpdclient | JMichaelX
[18:43] <ubottu> JMichaelX: Package qmpdclient does not exist in oneiric
[18:43] <genii-around> Hm
[18:43] <Sentynel> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients#Qt
[18:44] <genii-around> ( 12.04 has it but apparently not 11.10 )
[18:45] <JMichaelX> genii-around: just found that the qmpdclient website has .deb's
[18:46] <genii-around> Ah, good
[18:46] <JMichaelX> ach, but only i386
[18:47] <JMichaelX> oh well, i'll just keep relying on ncmpcpp
[18:48]  * JMichaelX feels that ncmpcpp is taking acronym-based app names to the extreme
[19:09] <{[ggmmk]}> I think the KDE network debug tools should be bundled, at full speed it just took me a while to download and I think it's preventing the program that caused the crash report to not work until it's finished :< 'tis a deterrent to help devs
[19:10] <Quintasan> {[ggmmk]}: There is only 700mb of space on CD, we can't afford to drop lang packs or some other applications just to add dbg packages
[19:10] <Sentynel> {[ggmmk]}: debug symbols aren't bundled precisely because they're huge; they wouldn't fit in the iso
[19:12] <Peace-> well there is dvd
[19:14] <{[ggmmk]}> Ah good point :P
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[19:31] <Ojol> Hi, my Kubuntu just completely died, I'm pretty sure it all went wrong after changing to the recommended 3rd-party nvidia graphics drivers in the additional drivers program, I couldn't connect to jabber on kopete, the software center failed to start too, just instantly crashing and when I went to restart two programs crashed (background KDE progs)
[19:32] <Tm_T> none of that should have anything to do with nvidia drivers
[19:33] <Ojol> Not saying that but that all happened after I installecd the Recommended Nvidia drivers, lost connection to jabber then kopete crashed then all the rest ensued
[19:33] <Fanfare> Ojol: sound more like defect hdd or ram
[19:34] <Ojol> Something gave up on life once I switched drivers
[19:35] <Ojol> BTW can screen refresh rate cause people's perception to be abit weird? Apparently this monitor is running at 50Hz and not 60 for some reason and I'm finding the screen hard to look at
[19:36] <maco> yes
[19:36] <Ojol> Can anyone think why it's not giving me the options?
[19:37] <maco> Ojol: my stepbrother went "ahhh how can you stand this refresh rate?" the first time he used my mom's computer, and up'd it, because the flicker bothered him. I can see pixels refresh at 50Hz or maybe 60, but not 75
[19:37] <maco> have you tried rebooting since whatever happened?
[19:38] <Ojol> The reboot is what caused the two programs to crash and yes it's mostly alright except the 'Recommended' nvidia drivers aren't S*** lol since they think my monitor has to have 50-51Hz
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[19:45] <Fanfare> Q: i have 2 identical machines, 1 with kubuntu as single OS, 2nd with win XP and kubuntu. Now, i have the impression that the 2nd system is much slower.
[19:46] <Ojol> I think it'd be a good idea to have a link in the System applications to Muon package Manager called System Update, I didn't really know where to do updates
[19:47] <Ojol> Also I wasn't prompted to do updates to my knowledge when I booted so it might be a good idea to have something make a scene in the system tray
[19:47] <Fanfare> Ojol: there is usually a yellow singn in lower right corner indicating available updates
[19:48] <Ojol> Nothing's there, I think there was for a little be after I first installed but it didn't do anything
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[20:16] <Ojol> Hi, I've run Full Upgrade in Muon package manager but it's been on Running dpkg at 52% for a long time, will forcing it to close be catastrophic? :P (it has not activity in System Monitor)
[20:27] <asfyxia> Ojol, I've had something similar. I had to force a shutdown of the pc, restarted it, and finished it with sudo dpkg --configure -a. But that's no guarantee that you have exactly the same, of course
[20:28] <Ojol> Yea I can't get it to update again :(
[20:28] <Ojol> Kubuntu, you were so full of promise
[20:28] <jussi> Ojol: what is the error message?
[20:28] <Ojol> There wasn't one. Just got stuck on the dkpg stage
[20:28] <jussi> did you close muon?
[20:29] <jussi> Ojol: ^^
[20:30] <jussi> Ojol: also, which version of Kubuntu do you have?
[20:30] <Ojol> Yes
[20:31] <Ojol> 11.10, was trying to do updates from fresh install
[20:31] <jussi> Ojol: ok, how familiar are you with the terminal?
[20:32] <jussi> Ojol: please try the following command: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -f
[20:32] <Ojol> good point, should have done that in the first place
[20:33] <glosoli> anyone can  answer me which version of KDE is using Kubuntu 12.04 ?
[20:33] <Ojol> I'm used to debian-level-stability so I forgot Ubuntu can't be trusted in it's first days of a release xD
[20:33] <asfyxia> glosoli: 12.04 has KDE 4.8, you can install that as well on 11.10
[20:33] <glosoli> asfyxia, nah, i prefer testing things :D
[20:34] <glosoli> kind of an idiot I am
[20:34] <glosoli> :D
[20:34] <asfyxia> I've done that too ;-p
[20:34] <glosoli> asfyxia, are you on 12.04  ?
[20:35] <asfyxia> Nope, I'm on 11.10 with KDE 4.8 at this moment. KDE 4.8 is quite a step forward
[20:35] <jussi> glosoli: #ubuntu+1 is the place for 12.04 discussions and help :)
[20:35] <glosoli> jussi, ok sorry, don't be mad :)
[20:36] <jussi> glosoli: not mad, just trying to help you get the right place :)
[20:36] <glosoli> jussi, I am in ubuntu+1 for long time :)
[20:36] <glosoli> asfyxia, kde 4.8 have that thing like docked task manager or smth new that was introduced some time ago yes ?
[20:37] <asfyxia> I'm afraid that I don't know what smth is... I'm not using Kubuntu that long
[20:38] <asfyxia> But it has a docked activity manager, yes
[20:38] <glosoli> asfyxia, aa, never mind, gonna download it :)
[20:39] <asfyxia> glosoli: good luck, you're gonna like it ;-)
[20:41] <glosoli> asfyxia, sure i will :>
[21:21] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... using kubuntu 12.04 here ... bluetooth seems to be on but not working ( no send or recieve or even seen on other devices ) ... any help ?
[21:25] <rork> cobra-the-joker: official channel for 12.04 is #ubuntu+1
[21:25] <cobra-the-joker> rork: ok
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[23:04] <Jarli> hello all
[23:04] <Jarli> got a question, whats the Xen app i need to download to create a virtal system?
[23:05] <KarmaComa> anyone knows how to get f.lux working on 12.04?
[23:05] <Jarli> I don't karma, you're probably mroe skilled a linux then I am
[23:06] <KarmaComa> virtualbox?
[23:06] <Jarli> no, im looking for the Xen client
[23:06] <KarmaComa> oh ok
[23:06] <Jarli> I see Xen tools and what not
[23:06] <Jarli> but not sure which one I need
[23:06] <KarmaComa> ok
[23:07] <Jarli> Any ideas?
[23:10] <Jarli> That and Kubuntu was just installed, and it has updates.... faster then windows to complain about those lol...
[23:12] <Jarli> ...
[23:14] <Jarli> damn it, just removed the main task bar....
[23:14] <Jarli> how do I add it back..
[23:16] <Jarli> anyone home
[23:16] <Jarli> ?
[23:18] <Jarli> what the crap, irritating...
[23:18] <KarmaComa> kubuntu?
[23:19] <KarmaComa> add panel
[23:19] <KarmaComa> right click on desktop then add panel
[23:19] <Jarli> the spacer between the left and right hand task bar, i removed it accidently
[23:19] <KarmaComa> add widget
[23:19] <KarmaComa> then taskbar
[23:20] <KarmaComa> task manager i think
[23:20] <KarmaComa> something like that
[23:20] <Jarli> it isn't finding anything..
[23:20] <Jarli> and I think muon froze... been at 42% for a bit now...
[23:21] <KarmaComa> it has nothing to do with you cant find the task manager
[23:21] <Jarli> When I search the catergories, nothing is found.
[23:22] <KarmaComa> its the widgets not categories!
[23:22] <Jarli> But there is nothing to select from is what Im trying to say
[23:22] <KarmaComa> unlock widgets
[23:22] <KarmaComa> add widget
[23:23] <Jarli> k add widget
[23:23] <KarmaComa> search for "task"
[23:23] <KarmaComa> you should find task manager
[23:23] <Jarli> nothing comes up..... under the task bar "add widgets" search "task"
[23:24] <KarmaComa> weird
[23:24] <KarmaComa> what version of kubuntu?
[23:24] <Jarli> 11.10
[23:24] <KarmaComa> it should be there
[23:24] <Jarli> trying a reboot, be back in a minute
[23:25] <Jarli> muon refuses to let me reboot... like really
[23:25] <Jarli> muon seems frozen and the bitch won't let me restart....
[23:26] <KarmaComa> that happens a lot with muon in the first system update
[23:26] <Jarli> ok... then hard reset?
[23:27] <KarmaComa> no other choices
[23:27] <Jarli> since I had to shoot my self in the face, blow my windows 7 os, and everything installed and then try again...
[23:27] <Jarli> awesome first impression lol...
[23:27] <KarmaComa> lol
[23:27] <Jarli> be bacj soon
[23:27] <KarmaComa> ok
[23:30] <Jarli> well im back
[23:31] <Jarli> got task manager back
[23:31] <Jarli> locked that freaking panel, lol
[23:32] <KarmaComa> hehe
[23:32] <Jarli> ugh....
[23:32] <Jarli> more muon is saying it may be broken when looking for updates... WTF
[23:33] <Jarli> f it, full upgrade, I have a terabyte.
[23:33] <KarmaComa> run that at terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:33] <Jarli> Why is another updater running damn it, and where is it...
[23:33] <KarmaComa> close any dpkg apps first
[23:34] <Jarli> I dont know how...
[23:34] <KarmaComa> and run that command in terminal then opem muon again
[23:34] <KarmaComa> open terminal
[23:34] <Jarli> have that open
[23:34] <KarmaComa> copy that: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:34] <KarmaComa> and paste in terminal
[23:35] <KarmaComa> and write root password
[23:35] <Jarli> running
[23:35] <KarmaComa> after it finishes
[23:35] <KarmaComa> close terminal and open muon again
[23:35] <Jarli> will do
[23:36] <Jarli> it appears is has a lot to do
[23:36] <KarmaComa> yeah it will fix all broken packages
[23:36] <Jarli> everything? like really. lol
[23:36] <KarmaComa> and maybe it will update the rest packages muon would do
[23:38] <Jarli> I bet you it's just reinstalling the OS while I watch.... it has a ton of things it's going through
[23:38] <ralf_> hi
[23:38] <Jarli> the scroll bar is about half an inch at the moment
[23:38] <ralf_> question
[23:38] <KarmaComa> not that much lol
[23:38] <Jarli> hi ralf_
[23:39] <ralf_> i use compiz as my main wm
[23:39] <ralf_> but i'd like to use the kwin decorator
[23:39] <ralf_> so i need to install the compiz-kde package
[23:39] <Jarli> that finished
[23:39] <ralf_> problem is, after installing, ccsm segfaults
[23:39] <Jarli> have muon open now as well
[23:41] <KarmaComa> you said you need to use kwin so why you need ccsm?
[23:41] <ralf_> only the decorator, not the fullblown wm
[23:42] <ralf_> kde-window-decorator
[23:43] <KarmaComa> i'm not so familiar with compiz sorry
[23:43] <Jarli> rekong sucks FYI, it opens like 30 pages, showing some thumbnail... whats the hell
[23:43] <Jarli> gotta reboot brb
[23:47] <Jarli> im back
[23:52] <Jarli> well lets see if this is the right Xen server
[23:52] <Jarli> 'crosses fingers'