2012/03/14/#lubuntu.txt

[00:37] <Da|Mummy> how would i go about connecting something via LAN ethernet, without it interrupting my wifi?
[00:38] <Da|Mummy> im trying to connect to ps3 to transfer files via ethernet, but every time i connect it, it takes over my wifi connection, and i cant use the internet on here while im locally connected to ps3
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[01:55] <ThiagoCMC> lubuntu 12.04 will install on a non-pae CPU?
[01:56] <Unit193> There will be ways to do it, yes.
[01:57] <Unit193> But by default, I do not think so, and support will be removed later on and Lubuntu doesn't have the resources to handle an LTS.
[01:59] <ThiagoCMC> Thanks!
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[06:52] <karan> hi
[06:52] <karan> i m having problem in installing lubuntu 11.10 - alternate in my desktop
[07:01] <karan> hello
[07:01] <karan> here is my problem
[07:01] <karan> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112828/installing-lubuntu
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[12:32] <gdea73> hi, I'm trying to install Lubuntu 10.04 from the mini ISO
[12:33] <gdea73> and I think the computer's hanging right now. I just selected the US Ubuntu archive, followed by proxy configuration (I put nothing there)
[12:33] <gdea73> if I type stuff it shows up in the bottom bar
[12:34] <gdea73> okay I rebooted, trying again
[12:35] <gdea73> ah, this time it's doing the "configuring the network with DHCP" step, which I don't believe it did before.
[12:36] <gdea73> agh, it says "Downloading the Relese Title - 0%" and then the dialog box disappears and I'm left with a blue and grey screen.
[12:41] <gdea73> okay where can I get the full install/Alternate CD of 10.04 (Lubuntu)?
[12:43] <gdea73> well incase anyone ever sees this or reads the log, I would appreciate a *working* link to Lubuntu 10.04 ALTERNATE (not the mini.iso, as it apparently doesn't work at all.)
[13:53] <njin> hello guy, can I have the url of the Lubuntu repo ?
[13:56] <holstein> njin: lubuntu uses the same repos as main ubuntu
[13:56] <holstein> theres not a custom repo really
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[13:57] <njin> holstein, thanks
[14:02] <Guest70485> Where can I change my keyboard layout in lubuntu ?
[14:14] <holstein> Guest70485: i would look into setxkbmap ...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877
[15:31] <cristian_c> Hi
[15:32] <cristian_c> It is missing the volume applet on the panel. I tried to add it, but I still do not see it
[15:32] <cristian_c> I found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/824659
[15:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 824659 in lxpanel (Ubuntu) "/usr/lib/lxpanel/plugins/volumealsa.so not showing" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:32] <cristian_c> but I still have not figured out how he solved
[15:33] <cristian_c> Do you have any ideas?
[15:33] <holstein> cristian_c: its likely something you just removed by accident.. i suggest firing up the live CD and playing around... see whats in the panel, remove them, add them back
[15:38] <cristian_c> holstein, thanks for the answer
[15:39] <cristian_c> holstein, do you suggest me to reinstall lubuntu?
[15:39] <cristian_c> :)
[15:39] <holstein> cristian_c: i didnt mean to imply that... you could create a new user though and learn from that as well
[15:39] <cristian_c> I would avoid it
[15:40] <cristian_c> holstein, ok
[15:40] <cristian_c> I'll try it
[15:40] <cristian_c> :)
[15:40] <holstein> the live CD approach literally *cant* hurt
[15:40] <cristian_c> holstein, ah, ok
[15:40] <holstein> you can break the panel, reboot, and just get it back... you can remove everything, and see what the names are... you can install applets... you can break them
[15:41] <cristian_c> holstein, I have already reset the panel
[15:41] <holstein> OK.. then its just like it was after install then right?
[15:42] <cristian_c> the panel had disappeared
[15:42] <cristian_c> holstein, no
[15:43] <holstein> cristian_c: OK.. so you *didnt* reset the panel then
[15:43] <cristian_c> holstein, I had to type these commands: pkill lxpanel, rm -rf ~/.config/lxpanel, cp -a /usr/share/lxpanel/profile/* ~/.config/lxpanel, lxde-logout
[15:43] <holstein> what im suggesting is making a new user account, testing there, or learning from the live CD what has been changed... you could have removed some of the packages that are needed
[15:43] <holstein> cristian_c: i use the new user account as a test often
[15:43] <cristian_c> I'll make a new user
[15:43] <cristian_c> holstein, ok
[15:44] <holstein> if its like it was when it came out of the box, then its safe to assume you have something in your /home that is not correct
[15:45] <cristian_c> holstein, in /home/cristian/.config/lxpanel/default/panels
[15:45] <cristian_c> there is a file called 'panel'
[15:45] <holstein> cristian_c: im sure there are all kinds of files there
[15:46] <cristian_c> sorry, in /home/cristian/.config/lxpanel/Lubuntu/panels
[15:47] <holstein> cristian_c: when you make a new account, all of those will be different.. you will then *know* that the issue is in your /home somewhere (or not)
[15:48] <holstein> they will be "default"
[15:48] <cristian_c> holstein, I've added the plugin, and the file reports: Plugin {   type = volume} but applet doesn't appear
[15:48] <holstein> cristian_c: what plugin?
[15:48] <cristian_c> volume control
[15:48] <holstein> cristian_c: there wasnt one "out of the box" ?
[15:49] <cristian_c> panel preferences
[15:49] <cristian_c> holstein, there was one
[15:49] <holstein> OK
[15:49] <holstein> and this is an effort to try and recover that? correct?
[15:49] <holstein> i would make a new user, and then you'll *know* where the issue is
[15:50] <cristian_c> you are right
[15:50] <cristian_c> :)
[15:50] <cristian_c> I would correct it
[15:50] <holstein> does sound work?
[15:51] <cristian_c> *would like to correct it
[15:51] <cristian_c> holstein, yes
[15:51] <holstein> do you see and can you control the sound with alsamixer ?
[15:51] <cristian_c> it works
[15:51] <cristian_c> yes, I can use alsamixer
[15:51] <cristian_c> but volume applet doesn't appear
[15:52] <holstein> right.. try the new user thing
[15:52] <cristian_c> holstein, a last question
[15:52] <holstein> its likely something you have changed in the startup, or something you have removed, or something a config has broken
[15:52] <holstein> something you have to either step back and see how you broke it, or just troubleshoot
[15:53] <cristian_c> holstein, in default/panels do you have (panel file):  Plugin {   type = volume}
[15:54] <cristian_c> Is it the same or is it different
[15:54] <cristian_c> ?
[15:54] <cristian_c> so, I edit it
[15:54] <holstein> cristian_c: im not in front of ubuntu running lxde right now
[15:54] <cristian_c> ok
[15:54] <holstein> cristian_c: i would *stop* editing things
[15:55] <cristian_c> thanks anyway :)
[15:55] <cristian_c> ok
[15:55] <holstein> i would literally test and confirm if its a config or not
[15:55] <holstein> then, go from there
[15:55] <cristian_c> ok
[15:56] <cristian_c> holstein, thanks
[15:56] <cristian_c> :)
[15:57] <cristian_c> for the support. I'll try these tests
[16:22] <cristian_c> holstein, hi
[16:22] <cristian_c> holstein, I made a new user
[16:23] <holstein> right.. is all as it was out of the box?
[16:23] <cristian_c> holstein, I discovered something incredible
[16:24] <cristian_c> holstein, there is no panel :O
[16:24] <holstein> well, you have likely changed a lot of packages aroung
[16:24] <cristian_c> with the new user
[16:24] <holstein> around*
[16:24] <holstein> anwyays, im sure you learned something helpful
[16:24] <cristian_c> with cristian user there is the panel
[16:25] <cristian_c> holstein, sure
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[17:21] <Heftydong> Hey everyone.
[17:22] <Heftydong> I have a question about lubuntu :0
[17:24] <holstein> Heftydong: just go ahead and ask what you want...
[17:28] <Heftydong> OK, just seeing if anyone was here. :P
[17:29] <Heftydong> So I installed it on my netbook. It hangs when it tries to start up bluetooth.
[17:29] <Heftydong> I went into /etc/default/bluetooth and put bluetooth_enabled to 0
[17:29] <Heftydong> no effect
[17:29] <Heftydong> i also went into init.d/bluetooth and added exit 0; and that didnt halp either
[17:29] <Heftydong> (I can get into the terminal)
[17:29] <holstein> i would check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[17:30] <holstein> i dont have any BT hardware to test with personally
[17:30] <Heftydong> my bluetooth is disabled
[17:30] <holstein> i would also get a normal ubuntu live CD, and maybe some other live CD's and test
[17:30] <holstein> i would confirm that the BT is enabled and working on a hardware level
[17:30] <Heftydong> i previously used xubuntu and fedora on this box
[17:30] <holstein> ok... did BT work?
[17:30] <Heftydong> i never tried
[17:30] <Heftydong> but it never hung
[17:31] <holstein> OK... you can try it live in fedora, or whatever else you chose
[17:31] <holstein> choose*
[17:31] <holstein> you can reference that wiki page about how to list and try and communicate with the BT hardware
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[17:34] <phillw> BT was removed from lubuntu, I believe the decission was too many resources. AFAIK Julien was going to revisit the issue to see if we could a get a lower resource version.
[17:34] <Heftydong> i dont care for BT
[17:34] <Heftydong> but i would like to boot up ;p
[17:35] <holstein> Heftydong: ?
[17:35] <holstein> just undo what you have done and it should boot up as it was out of the box
[17:36] <KM0201> BT?
[17:36] <KM0201> nevermind, bluetoot
[17:36] <KM0201> another one of those new fangled communication protocols that i don't use
[17:38] <Heftydong> well what happens out of the box is that it hangs when it tries to intialize BT
[17:39] <holstein> Heftydong: i remember seeing that message on a box.. but it was something else
[17:39] <Heftydong> it gives me four messages...
[17:39] <Heftydong> mountall: Plymouth command failed
[17:40] <Heftydong> mountall: Disconnected from plymouth
[17:40] <Heftydong> Starting NTP server ntpd [OK]
[17:40] <Heftydong> Starting bluetooth [OK]
[17:40] <Heftydong> then it hangs forever :[
[17:40] <holstein> Heftydong: i would try with the live cd.. i would try passing the nomodeset line, and the one noapci? whatever that one is
[17:40] <holstein> or, i would search around for the exact hardware, and see if there are any tips
[17:41] <Heftydong> Hmm, I used the alternate install because I wanted to setup encrypted LVM
[17:41] <Heftydong> can I use encrypted LVM with the standard?
[17:41] <holstein> Heftydong: i mean literally using the live CD
[17:42] <holstein> *not* installing.. just using the live CD as a troubleshooting step
[17:42] <Heftydong> Ahhh
[17:42] <holstein> you can troubleshoot by other means if you like
[17:42] <Heftydong> Let me see...
[17:42] <holstein> you can start blacklisting things... making custom xorg.conf files... whatever
[17:42] <holstein> i usually try with a live CD so i know what im breaking before i get to the acutal install
[17:45] <Heftydong> I'm burning a live cd now
[17:54] <Heftydong> interesting
[17:54] <Heftydong> the live CD does not hang at that point
[17:54] <Heftydong> it only does on the install
[17:54] <holstein> did you install a graphics driver?
[17:55] <holstein> i would look other places, and see what is making it hang.. im just in doubt that it is the BT device
[17:55] <holstein> but it could be
[17:56] <Heftydong> I'll install the live CD version to test it out
[17:56] <Heftydong> maybe i need to select a different package set in the alternate installer
[17:57] <holstein> i can save you some time there... you *should* get the same thing at the end
[17:57] <Heftydong> but what if it doesnt happne :O
[17:57] <holstein> but, go for it if you have time, and dont care
[18:25] <Heftydong> aha
[18:25] <Heftydong> no hang on standard install
[18:43] <rich_> hello ;)
[18:46] <rich_> someone here?
[18:52] <holstein> !ask | rich_
[18:52] <ubottu> rich_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[18:56] <rich__> ok ... im back again.
[18:56] <rich__> i just played around with my lubuntu and now when i do right click on my destkop i get the openbox menu but i want the old menu back (with create file, folder...). but how?
[18:57] <KM0201> i've had that happen before
[18:57] <KM0201> i think..
[18:57] <KM0201> nevermind
[18:57] <Unit193> rich__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Right-clicking_on_desktop_pulls_up_a_menu_that_is_missing_the_.22Desktop_Preferences.22_option_and_now_I_can.27t_change_my_wallpaper
[18:58] <rich__> juhuu... thank you very much ;)
[19:46] <miro1> does someone know whether sylpheed supports rich-text mail format?
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[21:52] <miro1> what is a good mail client for lubuntu?
[21:54] <wxl> miro1: have you tried the one included?
[22:06] <miro1> wxl: yes, but it seems not to support rich-text or html
[22:06] <miro1> just plain ascii
[22:06] <wxl> miro1: it does not-- unless you want to code it
[22:07] <wxl> i.e. you can send an html attachment
[22:07] <wxl> which is ultimately what any client does
[22:07] <wxl> but if you don't cotton to such things it's a question of what else you need
[22:08] <miro1> I would like to have the possibility to make letters bold, italic or to have words underlined or in different colors
[22:09] <miro1> I guess that this is supported by most of the mail clients
[22:09] <wxl> evolution (not my favorite)
[22:09] <wxl> thunderbird
[22:09] <wxl> balsa (never tried it)
[22:10] <miro1> maybe I give thunderbird a try
[22:10] <wxl> never tried gnumail but sounds nice
[22:11] <miro1> on the other hand it would be nice to not have much dependencies to any other big frameworks
[22:11] <wxl> right
[22:11] <wxl> thunderbird is a little bloaty
[22:12] <wxl> postler?
[22:12] <phillw> perhaps a gmail account? Mine is fine with html docs etc. you just have to give the sender permission.
[22:12] <wxl> it's new haven't tried
[22:13] <miro1> sylpheed could be the right client but with some more formatting possibilities
[22:14] <miro1> I'm thinking about to maybe replace my Kubuntu installation with Lubuntu
[22:14] <wxl> you could also get a html editor
[22:14] <wxl> or compose entirely in html
[22:14] <miro1> but I have to check what alternatives exist for the tools I'm usually using under KDE
[22:14] <wxl> if you made a template with the basic framework it wouldn't be hard to do things like <b>bold</b>
[22:14] <wxl> even with thunderbird, lubuntu < kubuntu :D
[22:16] <miro1> currently I'm running lubuntu in an virtual machine and I have to say that I really like it
[22:16] <wxl> glad to hear. i think it's fantastic :)
[22:16] <miro1> very userfriendly
[22:17] <miro1> was using for a while fluxbox as windows manager but lxde is very nice
[22:17] <wxl> yeah i used to use flux
[22:19] <miro1> so if the guy's of lubuntu are around: many thanks for this great distribution!
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[22:34] <miro1> lubuntu resp. lxde depends on gnome, right?
[22:37] <miro1> if this is the case then why not replacing pidgin with empathy?
[22:59] <phillw> miro1: parts of lxde use programmes that do drag in the entire family of gnome dependancies. for bang per buck, as pidgin can handle IRC, MSN, Yahoo!, AIM, AOL etc. etc. It was chosen as the lesser evil to having different apps dedicated to each.
[22:59] <phillw> *that do NOT drag*
[23:01] <phillw> those who prefer XChat, simply install it... it's entirely up to the person.
[23:05] <JasonGriffee> can anyone tell me if they have successfully installed and ran Marble Arena on lubuntu?
[23:07] <miro1> what I have learned today is that empathy is the main IM of the gnome team and has support for some new technologies beside all the communications protocols that pidgin uses
[23:12] <JasonGriffee> im very confused. I thought that synaptic was the default meathod to install stuff, so i installed the ubuntu software center, now I read there's a lubuntu software center, but i cant find it. can anyone help?
[23:14] <wxl> JasonGriffee: http://askubuntu.com/questions/68194/how-do-i-install-the-lubuntu-software-center
[23:16] <miro1> wow, there is a lubuntu software center. didn't know that.
[23:21] <miro1> hm, but why do we need to have another "software center" if there are already software installation tools existing
[23:25] <JasonGriffee> What would keep Marble Arena from playing?
[23:30] <AlexZion> Hi everyone...., I was trying the 12.04 of Lubuntu and it looks very nice and performant ....; I'll use it as a personal webserver to develop web apps .... there is some known problem should I know !?!
[23:30] <AlexZion> anyway , thanks for the great job you're doing guys ...., really well done ....
[23:34] <AlexZion> I saw just one things, is really slow to check update and manage package ...., could be some overload on the server or something on the system ?
[23:34] <EvilResistance> AlexZion, 12.04 isnt stable yet.  about a month still, if i'm not mistaken...
[23:35] <EvilResistance> !12.04
[23:35] <ubottu> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the 16th release of Ubuntu and is in Beta testing from 2nd March, Discussion and support until final release in #ubuntu+1
[23:35] <EvilResistance> yep, its in beta
[23:35] <EvilResistance> so there could be random bugs that pop up
[23:35] <AlexZion> o yeah , I know ....
[23:35] <AlexZion> and I'm using to try out and even cacth eventual bug ...
[23:36] <AngelForget> The stable version is 11.10 AlexZion
[23:36] <AlexZion> there is a specific channel for the development ?
[23:37] <AlexZion> I know guys the stable is the 11.10, I run kubuntu since few year and I know how it works ..
[23:37] <EvilResistance> AlexZion, #ubuntu+1 is the 12.04 channel right now, for all of them, last i checked...
[23:38] <EvilResistance> phillw might know if there's another channel
[23:38] <AlexZion> ahh ok , so 1 channel for all...
[23:40] <EvilResistance> yes.  "One channel to rule them all..." </meme>
[23:42] <phillw> AlexZion: there is also #ubuntu-testing for QA chats
[23:43] <AlexZion> anyway guys, the installation process of Lubuntu is very nice and fast, and the system startup very fast , running on VirtualBox  with 2CPU and 2GB of ram ....., impressive .....
[23:43] <Da|Mummy> how do i get out of read only fs on a drive in running os from?
[23:43] <phillw> AlexZion: there is also https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa for anything purely lubuntu 12.04
[23:44] <AngelForget> excuse me did you hear about Zram? you can install on Lubuntu?
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[23:45] <AlexZion> thanks phillw, I'll check it out ...