2012/02/24/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

[00:00] <cjohnston> jcastro:  you coming to visit next week?
[00:00] <cjohnston> balloons: you too
[00:00] <balloons> cjohnston, I appreciate the reminder
[00:00] <cjohnston> be awesome if you guys come
[00:01] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah I need a time and place yo
[00:01] <jcastro> we want to make a weekend out of it
[00:01] <jcastro> so go to epcot or something on the other day
[00:01] <cjohnston> jcastro:  my house
[00:01] <cjohnston> whenever
[00:02] <jcastro> mail me your address dude, ok off for real, bbl
[00:17] <balloons> anything special I have to do so I can accept merge requests in my branch?
[00:18] <balloons> doesn't look like it.. just wanted to make sure :-)
[00:29] <jono> jcastro, so I know you wanted to update the docs for the Juju accomplishments
[00:29] <jono> I created some docs for how to do this: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/GetInvolved#Documenting_the_Ubuntu_Accomplishments
[00:30] <jono> it is as simple as downloading the branch, editing some files and submitting a merge proposal
[00:36] <jono> mhall119, so I got the LoCo Member accomplishment fixed and added
[00:37] <jono> if you just update your ubuntu-community-accomplishments branch it should work
[00:44] <balloons> I bid thee farewell.. but for a moment, and then we shall speak again.. till the morrow
[00:44] <balloons> cheers
[00:46] <jono> good work, balloons!
[02:16] <jono> stepping out
[02:16] <jono> biab
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <popey> pleia2 / akgraner: apparently LWN accounts get deactivated if unused for 5 months. just mail Maria to get them re-enabled.
[08:17] <dpm> good morning all
[08:17] <benonsoftware> Hello dpm
[08:17] <dpm> hey benonsoftware :)
[08:18] <benonsoftware> How are you?
[08:18] <dpm> fine, somehow a bit tired today, but the weekend is nearly there...
[08:18] <dpm> how's everyone else?
[08:19] <benonsoftware> I must've had the most boring week I have ever had
[08:27] <dholbach> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~maxolasersquad/ubuntu/precise/smplayer/add_quicklist/+merge/94500/comments/203805
[09:20] <czajkowski> Morning all
[10:38] <czajkowski> jo-erlend: got a moment please?
=== dholbach_ is now known as dholbach
[12:31] <akgraner> popey, thank you!
[12:34] <popey> np
[12:36] <s-fox> Afternoon
[12:37] <akgraner> popey, 5 months goes by quickly , sometimes I look at LWN  everyday but other times (when I get extremely busy)  not at all for 5 months it seems ;-)
[12:38] <popey> i have it permanently pinned in my browser
[12:38] <popey> refresh it at least daily
[12:42] <akgraner> good idea thanks
[12:45]  * akgraner reads the Orange notebook lets see if I can break something today
[12:53] <dpm> balloons, are you already online?
[12:55] <s-fox> balloons I just made your interview went live, thank you for taking the time to answer the questions :-)
[12:57] <akgraner> dholbach, I need to learn more about how a release (specifically Ubuntu) goes together from the packaging to the it's final and goes out to the world - where do I need to start my reading - do we (Ubuntu) have any documentation that walks someone through how all the pieces go together? (sorry if you are the right person to ask)
[12:57] <akgraner> if you are not - I meant to say
[13:07] <cprofitt> akgraner: that is such a small topic... :-)
[13:07] <cprofitt> s-fox: +1 gotta read that one
[13:08] <s-fox> cprofitt,  http://serial-coder.co.uk/blog/2012/02/an-interview-with-balloons/
[13:10] <akgraner> s-fox, I really enjoy your interview series!  thanks for doing those.
[13:10] <akgraner> cprofitt, yeah I know, right.
[13:11] <akgraner> I'll bug Pete about it later I just know he is going to start with  - here you need to understand how the compilers work, oh and here's the toolchain, I was hoping for a less indepth top level overview.  :-)  One can wish right.
[13:11] <s-fox> akgraner,  Thanks, I wouldn't say "my" series (it was started in 2007 and has 3 different people running it ), I am just trying to keep it alive. :-)
[13:11] <s-fox>  *has had
[13:11] <akgraner> s-fox, thank you.
[13:11] <s-fox> I love english ;)
[13:12] <Pendulum> akgraner: maybe talked to Kate?
[13:13] <akgraner> Pendulum, yeah that was my next thought
[13:14] <akgraner> I just wanted to read something first then talk to her, but I'll email her now.  :-)
[13:14] <cprofitt> +1 akgraner
[13:22] <dpm> man, Unity 2D FTW, I could not get ustream's crappy flash widget to work on Unity (couldn't click on the popup to enable the camera), but Unity 2D saved the day!
[13:23] <dpm> Unity 2D looks gourgeous on precise, btw
[13:23] <dholbach> akgraner, you could try http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ to start
[13:24] <akgraner> yep opened that one this morning :-)  I like that site by the way and send other people to it all the time - guess it's time I have to start using it :-)
[13:28] <dpm> \o/
[13:30] <dholbach> am I the only one for whom Ctrl-Alt-<cursor> does not work today?
[13:42] <akgraner> dholbach, I don't know what key <cursor> is  - but by Ctrl-Alt- arrow keys are working well.
[14:06]  * mhall119 hates cars
[14:13] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:13] <jcastro> ctrl-alt-arrows
[14:13] <jcastro> ends up I use them a lot
[14:13] <cjohnston> jcastro: get my email?
[14:14] <jcastro> I did
[14:14] <jcastro> was just going to respond
[14:14] <jcastro> but sure, sounds awesome!
[14:14] <dholbach> hum, for me it doesn't work
[14:14] <jcastro> hey what time is the jam likely to be?
[14:14] <jcastro> dholbach: nor me
[14:14] <jcastro> and compiz just drew a big white window on one of my monitors
[14:14] <mhall119> jcastro: yeah, they changed ctrl+alt+arrow to super+shift+arrow
[14:15] <jcastro> WHAT.
[14:15] <dholbach> mhall119, what for?
[14:15] <mhall119> jcastro: fortunately I found this really awesome program that lets you change it back, it's called compizconfig-setting-manager, you should try it
[14:15] <dholbach> ugh
[14:15] <jcastro> mhall119: no, I want it back to the way it was, not broken
[14:15] <jcastro> ugh
[14:15] <mhall119> dholbach: I don't know why, I just noticed it after an upgrade
[14:15] <jcastro> this really sucks
[14:15] <cjohnston> when you get here.. ill be getting home about 8:15, beyond that, I don't care.. earlier the better as mhall119  has alot of work to do jcastro
[14:15] <jcastro> I love how when you switch desktops the keyboard shortcut overlay shows up
[14:15] <mhall119> jcastro: you can probably change it via the keyboard shortcuts settings dialog too
[14:16] <mhall119> cjohnston: I'm only going as a spectator
[14:16] <cjohnston> jcastro:  the whole weekend? we are going to sea world saturday and sunday for concerts
[14:17] <cjohnston> mhall119:  you said you were teaching me stuff
[14:17] <cjohnston> bbiaf
[14:17] <jcastro> cjohnston: when is the actual jam?
[14:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: oh right, I did
[14:23] <cjohnston> jcastro: i think I said 10, but that was just cause I had to put a time.. last time mhall119  was there most of the day
[14:23] <cjohnston> balloons:  you gonna make it?
[14:24] <jcastro> on the saturday?
[14:30] <s-fox> Got to say that the Ubuntu Accomplishments system is interesting. Fun nice idea
[14:31] <sagaci> I can't wait until it's implemented and my system crashes due to the trophies rolling in
[14:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: friday
[14:32] <jcastro> sagaci: we need a crash one!
[14:32] <sagaci> I fixd my GRUB :D
[14:34] <s-fox> You know what would be good, if planet ubuntu used user avatar from launchpad :-)
[14:35] <s-fox> Just noticed my hackergotchi is really out of date. Haha
[14:35] <sagaci> I guess it's a community tool but it can be also used as a discover-my-Ubuntu-machine, that is, Installed an app from the ubuntu software centre, etc
[14:46] <Pici> ops
[14:46] <jcastro> s-fox: the problem with avatars on launchpad
[14:46] <jcastro> is they suck
[14:46] <jcastro> you need to have an exact ratio
[14:49] <mhall119> also getting an avatar out of launchpad is pretty hit or miss
[14:49] <s-fox> Project for the weekend, setting up bzr so can update my head image. Haha. Hope it isn't going to be "tricky" ;)
[14:51] <jcastro> I wish they would just use gravatar
[14:51] <jcastro> like, you can't just upload a pic and get a nice resizer thing either
[14:51] <s-fox> +1 gravatar
[14:51] <jcastro> you have to like, gimp it to get it the exact ratio
[14:51] <jcastro> and for some reason they use a custom size that no one else uses
[14:51] <jcastro> so I can't just reuse my gravatar
[14:51] <s-fox> Oh that is easy. Then again I do know my way around image editing...
[14:51] <s-fox> lol
[14:52] <jcastro> right, I know how to do it
[14:52] <jcastro> but it's like 2012
[14:52] <jcastro> web services should just do that.
[14:52] <jcastro> or what we all really want, is just gravatar, heh
[14:53] <s-fox> File a bug? :D
[14:53]  * czajkowski marks it wishlist
[14:53] <czajkowski> patches welcome :)
[14:53] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/860508
[14:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 860508 in launchpad "Use gravatar for default user image branding" [Low,Triaged]
[14:54] <s-fox> Would I be correct in thinking that only I can update my own head image?
[14:55] <jcastro> yeah
[14:56] <s-fox> Looks like fun project for the weekend then ;-)
[14:56] <jcastro> hey since I have you hear
[14:56] <jcastro> here even
[14:57] <jcastro> do you know if vbulletin 4.x supports Markdown?
[14:57] <s-fox> Don't know, could find out. Is that like the vote thing ask ubuntu uses?
[14:59] <jcastro> no, the text formatting
[14:59] <jcastro> so, launchpad uses, G+ uses it
[14:59] <jcastro> and hopefully whatever we do for the wiki next will use it
[14:59] <jcastro> anyway, the idea would be it would make it trivial to move content around if everything used Markdown
[14:59] <s-fox> I will find out
[15:00] <jcastro> like if I want to move something from AU to the wiki I am doomed
[15:00] <s-fox> The forum has some great howto's that should really be wiki pages imo
[15:00] <jcastro> but if while we're looking for upgrades that we have to do anyway and we can end up with everything using Markdown then that would be sooooo nice.
[15:00] <s-fox> I'd go with that :)
[15:01] <s-fox> I would also like to see the vBulletin smart phone pluggin installed. You'd be surprised as just how many times people have made the request.
[15:05] <s-fox> I guess first things first is to get the forum on 4.x though ;)
[15:08] <jcastro> indeed
[15:30] <jono> dpm,  all set?
[15:30] <dpm> jono, yep!
[15:30] <technoviking> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=262196&highlight=gravatar
[15:30] <jono> :-)
[15:30] <technoviking> I could test that plugin on my vB 4 box
[15:30] <s-fox> technoviking,  Awesome :-)
[15:31] <s-fox> technoviking,  Could you test out the mobile site plugin?
[15:31] <technoviking> taptalk?
[15:31] <s-fox> I'll check the name.
[15:32] <jcastro> oh man
[15:32] <jcastro> it would be cool if the forums just used gravatars too, one less thing!
[15:32] <s-fox> technoviking,  http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=249277
[15:33] <technoviking> will look into it
[15:33] <s-fox> That'd be grand, thanks
[15:33] <balloons> cjohnston, hmm sea world eh? :-)
[15:35] <dholbach> balloons, did you merge the changes I pushed before I called it a day yesterday?
[15:35] <dholbach> balloons, I assume https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/+junk/checkbox-app-testing is the new thing?
[15:35] <technoviking> hmmmm should I try latest daily iso or the last alpha iso
[15:37] <jcastro> s-fox: technoviking: It might be worth just browsing the plugins available and see if any are useful
[15:37] <jcastro> keeping in mind that we shouldn't use a plugin that would put us in the situation we are in now, heh
[15:38] <s-fox> I think we have to be careful jcastro , some don't scale well.
[15:38]  * jcastro nods
[15:38] <technoviking> I'm trying to keep the new forum as KISS as possible
[15:38] <s-fox> For example we had a thanks feature that we had to pull, bit of a shame really. :/
[15:40] <s-fox> +1 KISS technoviking
[15:40] <jcastro> can we have a "I hate you button" instead?
[15:40]  * jcastro just throws it out there
[15:41] <s-fox> We have an ignore poster setting jcastro
[15:41] <balloons> dholbach, yes the new thing
[15:41] <balloons> i broke the build renaming it
[15:41] <balloons> on another note, i'm note getting my notifications.., sorry for the delayed response :-)
[15:41] <dholbach> balloons, working on it
[15:43] <dholbach> balloons, try merging from lp:~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing
[15:43] <dholbach> I'll also upload it to my PPA, so you can play around with it
[15:43] <dholbach> do you have your PPA set up now?
[15:44] <balloons> i do have my ppa setup
[15:44] <balloons> i wanted to push something to it
[15:44] <balloons> but broke things of cours
[15:45] <dholbach> AFAICS I fixed the build in my branch
[15:48] <balloons> trying it now
[15:48] <balloons> well seems to have worked
[15:48] <balloons> so tell me, what's the bzr bd command versus pbuilder?
[15:49] <dholbach> "bzr bd -S ..." transforms your branch contents into a source package
[15:49] <balloons> afaik, I build it with bzr bd, then package with pbuider
[15:49] <dholbach> which is the kind of thing pbuilder can build and dput can upload
[15:49] <balloons> ok, good.. I'm understanding then
[15:50] <dholbach> source packages are what the debian packaging tools always understood
[15:50] <dholbach> ubuntu distributed development (udd) branches are newer
[15:51] <balloons> ok, waiting for pbuilder to finish
[15:51] <balloons> then I will push to my ppa
[15:51] <technoviking> jcastro: We do have a I hate jcastro button, number 1 requested feature :)
[15:51]  * jcastro flexes
[15:52] <dholbach> balloons, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/+junk/checkbox-app-testing/revision/5 is what made it build again
[15:52] <dholbach> mhall119, did you see the message about the merge proposal I sent earlier?
[15:53] <dholbach> mhall119, I can imagine that that's going to be the kind of reply many of the quicklist branches will get
[15:53] <mhall119> dholbach: yup, just posted a blog about sending these changes upstream
[15:53] <dholbach> sweet
[15:53] <balloons> dholbach, yes I'll be reviewing a diff at some point to see
[15:54] <balloons> to see how to fix what I broke
[15:57] <jcastro> mhall119: I discovered a new tool!
[15:57] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/116015965439782966698/posts/U9FEgC7Yxjh
[15:57] <jcastro> unity-tool
[15:58] <balloons> ok.. pbuilder donw
[15:59] <balloons> woot! ppa published
[15:59] <s-fox> \o/
[16:00] <balloons> lol.. I don't see anything yet.. but, it says it published :-)
[16:01] <balloons> i assume I gotta wait for them to build
[16:02] <jono> balloons, dpm, jcastro, mhall119, dholbach demo time!
[16:02] <jono> starting the hangout
[16:02] <dholbach>  go go go
[16:03] <balloons> wheeeeeee!!!!!!!!1
[16:05] <jono> dpm, balloons did you see the invite?
[16:05] <balloons> clicking it now
[16:05] <balloons> wait for it , wait for it
[16:05] <balloons> loading loading
[16:06] <dpm> jono, yeah, but I'm alone in that hangout
[16:06] <dpm> let me retry...
[16:06] <bkerensa> Why will we wait till the end of the world for upstream to apply a patch instead of applying it locally? :P
[16:06] <jono> dpm, we are all here
[16:27] <mainerror> jono: Is there a place I can find all of the already implemented achievements?
[16:28] <jono> mainerror, right now the branch lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments
[16:28] <jono> there is no list online yet
[16:28] <jono> mainerror, feel free to create accomplishments and submit a merge proposal
[16:28] <mainerror> Alright thank. :)
[16:29] <mainerror> I just wanted to make sure I don't suggest something that is already implemented.
[16:29] <doctormon> jono: Is it possible to make accomplishments into a seperate installable package?
[16:33] <mainerror> Awesome! My idea was not yet implemented. :)
[16:34] <doctormon> mainerror: What's your idea?
[16:34] <mainerror> UDS participation accomplishments.
[16:35] <doctormon> Ah, good idea
[16:35] <mainerror> The trophy image could be a nicely styled UDS scope logo.
[16:36] <mainerror> Like the Precise Pangolin logo for UDS-P for example.
[16:43] <bkerensa> mhall119: nice blog post
[16:43] <bkerensa> :D
[16:45] <jono> doctormon, totally, lp:ubuntu-community-accomplishments is just a package for ubuntu community ones, you could create one for another collection (e.g. OpenStack)
[16:45] <jono> mainerror, if you can write a script that detects attendance, we can do it
[16:45] <doctormon> Thinking of integration possibilities. I take it your open to it being used for none launchpad achievements?
[16:45] <mainerror> I'm trying to figure out how we could detect that.
[16:47] <mhall119> hey doctormon, I've been looking for you
[16:47] <doctormon> mhall119: IRc is the only place! What can I do for you sir.
[16:47] <cjohnston> balloons: you coming to global jam is what i was asking
[16:48] <mhall119> doctormon: dholbach says that you can use harvest to search for bugs from across projects on Launchpad
[16:48] <mhall119> in your lens
[16:48] <balloons> cjohnston, yes. .I need to double check the details again cjohnston .. but i'm planning on attending
[16:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: where are we doing the jam?  Your house again?
[16:48] <cjohnston> balloons: Friday.. my house
[16:48] <balloons> next fri right?
[16:48] <doctormon> mhall119: That sounds ideal, perfect. Does it have a seperate API? .. actually I'll look into it.
[16:50] <technoviking> jcastro: is the launcher in both monitor how unity work now?
[16:51] <cjohnston> balloons: yes
[16:55] <dholbach> the only thing I had was my list of stuff we got through on FixIt Friday: http://pad.ubuntu.com/EUxOzMtupK :)
[16:57] <mhall119> dholbach: can you point doctormon at an API for querying harvest bugs?
[16:57] <dholbach> http://harvest.ubuntu.com/services/opportunities/?opportunitylist=16
[16:57] <dholbach> for example gives you the top 100 (I think?) bitesize opportunities
[16:58] <doctormon> dholbach: And harvest has a way to search for terms in launchpad bugs?
[16:58] <dholbach> harvest itself is very stupid
[16:59] <dholbach> it checks out lp:harvest-data and takes the urls in a file in there where it gets data from
[16:59] <dholbach> so harvest itself has no idea what bugs are, who an upstream is, or where to find branches and patches
[16:59] <dholbach> it just displays data others provide
[17:02] <doctormon> dholbach: I see how it's constructed.
[17:02] <dholbach> how what is constructed?
[17:02] <doctormon> Harvest
[17:03] <doctormon> I mean to say 'I understand, thank you for helping me get that understanding'
[17:03] <dholbach> I'm getting more and more confused
[17:03] <dholbach> lp:harvest has the source code for Harvest, lp:harvest-data contains a list of data sources for Harvest
[17:04] <dholbach> how can I help? :)
[17:04] <doctormon> Yes, I understand. :-) please smile for you have completed your epic quest of helping.
[17:05] <dholbach> 8-D
[17:05] <mhall119> lol
[17:05] <doctormon> mhall119: Harvest is taking various bits of data; it's probbal that no services offers full bug searching because it would be technically impractical to do so.
[17:06] <mhall119> doctormon: yeah
[17:06] <doctormon> Small services like Savannah do, but large ones like Sourceforge, launchpad and github all don't. They allow bug searching within a project only.
[17:06] <mhall119> ones that are good about project isolation
[17:08] <doctormon> although maybe we can search for bugs in 'ubuntu' by default and let users use a different app for asking for per-project bugs.
[17:10] <mhall119> doctormon: that would probably work, I think apport send them to ubuntu by default
[17:12] <jcastro> <-- lunch
[17:12] <cprofitt> nom, nom, nom, nom
[17:49] <bkerensa> oh Randall took photos with jam on his face
[17:49] <bkerensa> :D
[17:49] <bkerensa> I'm going to have to figure something out
[17:53] <dholbach> hahahaha
[17:53] <dholbach> awesome
[17:55] <dholbach> alright
[17:55] <dholbach> time to call it a day
[17:55] <dholbach> have a great WE everyone
[17:55] <pleia2> have a nice weekend dholbach
[17:56] <doctormon> Hey pleia2, had a good week?
[17:56] <dholbach> thanks
[17:56] <pleia2> doctormon: yes, and a busy week! you?
[17:57] <doctormon> pleia2: Not work busy, but certainly busy with baby.
[17:57] <pleia2> :)
[18:00] <doctormon> pleia2: I know you're not a designer or programmer, but I trust your judgment. See the side three tabs in this shot: http://imagebin.org/200591
[18:00] <doctormon> I'm trying to decide if splitting out code editing/commiting, research/code viewing and meta-administration like that is a good idea and certainly in that way.
[18:01] <pleia2> doctormon: are you using an existing text editor for that panel?
[18:01] <doctormon> That's GtkSourceView, a special widget for highlighted text editing.
[18:01] <pleia2> ah, ok
[18:01] <doctormon> (using in gedit)
[18:01] <doctormon> used in gedit*
[18:02]  * pleia2 nods
[18:02] <pleia2> what do the others look like?
[18:03] <pleia2> I'd think committing and code viewing would be together, editing and research
[18:04] <doctormon> Yes but how do you put things like code search, examples, library documentation etc into a editing view?
[18:05] <pleia2> can't really
[18:07] <doctormon> But I kind of expect people to open up projects to view them in the editor, people do that.
[18:07] <doctormon> Thanks for your input :-D
[18:07] <pleia2> sure
[18:29] <jcastro> cjohnston: mhall119: hey so m_3 is charming summit
[18:29] <jcastro> he has questions
[18:29] <cjohnston> he asked me one
[18:29] <m_3> jcastro: hey... so cjohnston answered a question about django
[18:29] <mhall119> jcastro: you're the juju guy, cjohnston is the summit guy, my work here is done :)
[18:30] <jcastro> heh
[18:30] <m_3> cjohnston: so for a typical deployment (jcastro, for the thing they need by monday)...
[18:30]  * cjohnston points to mhall119 for all questions about everything
[18:30] <m_3> is this typically done on a single hw server?  django, postgresql, and memcached all running on that box?
[18:30] <cjohnston> yes
[18:30] <m_3> yikes
[18:31] <m_3> would ec2 be a useful place to host this?
[18:31] <m_3> jcastro: what's the agreement with linux plumbers?
[18:32] <m_3> are we providing hw? or recommending hw? or would they be interested in hosting on ec2?
[18:33] <m_3> reason I'm asking is I have charms to put together django, postgresql, and memcache in three separate service units
[18:33] <m_3> these'd be three separate ec2 instances, or openstack instances, or (with lots of work) three separate physical machines
[18:34] <mhall119> m_3: give me one minute, in a meeting currently
[18:34] <m_3> really four in all cases including the bootstrap node / orchestra server
[18:43] <jcastro> m_3: I don't think they care where.
[18:44] <mhall119> m_3: I'm not sure if we currently have postgresql and memcached running on the same box or separate, you'd have to as IS
[18:48] <m_3> mhall119: ok, just checking to see what folks are thinking
[18:48] <bkerensa> jono: Another Jam post: http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/02/24/lets-jam-ubuntu
[18:48] <mhall119> bkerensa: nice!
[18:50] <bkerensa> mhall119: Probably my last jam post this cycle bu I will continue to push on social
[18:51] <mhall119> bkerensa: well it's the only global jam this cycle, so that's okay :)
[18:52] <bkerensa> mhall119: I have a suggestion of maybe holding a contest for best global jam event photo
[18:52] <bkerensa> ;)
[19:00] <m_3> mhall119 cjohnston: so the most important thing to know at this point is "is it technically viable to host a production summit stack on ec2 for something like LinuxPlumbers?"
[19:00] <m_3> or does it _have_ to live on the ground at the conference itself?
[19:01] <mhall119> it can be in the cloud, that's fine
[19:01] <m_3> mhall119: awesome... thanks!
[19:01] <mhall119> UDS and Linaro Connect have been run from Canonical's network, not at the event itself
[19:02] <m_3> excellent... then what I'm doing should work
[19:02] <mhall119> awesome, and thanks so much for taking this on m_3
[19:04] <m_3> hopefully something to look at by Monday
[19:25] <balloons> my box is getting crushed
[19:26] <balloons> x keeps locking up when I cursor across monitors..
[19:26] <balloons> :-( hard locks, have to punch the reset button.. crazy.. not even kernel magic key saves me :-(
[19:27]  * balloons wishes he had never updated today
[20:37] <jcastro> jono: are you on a call?
[20:39] <jcastro> jono: because if you're not, crank this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urzCX4eZ6Bc&feature=related
[20:49] <bkerensa> jcastro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg
[20:49] <bkerensa> :D
[21:03] <jono> nice bkerensa! :-)
[21:03] <jono> jcastro, was on a call
[21:04] <jono> jcastro, I saw that :-)
[21:12] <jcastro> jono: did you want a charm update before EOD? I don't recall if you wanted me on Fridays starting this week or next.
[21:15] <jcastro> Daviey: do remember to ping me when you finish Alice's update, I can finish off that charm for good
[21:24] <bkerensa> jono: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1553/detail/ <--- pretty good attendance RSVP for global jam so far eh?
[21:24] <bkerensa> :D
[21:24] <bkerensa> and thats not even the core of our regulars yet
[21:24] <bkerensa> I'm hoping for 30+
[21:24] <bkerensa> "D
[21:25] <mhall119> bkerensa: nice
[21:25] <mhall119> bkerensa: btw, your interview is up on my blog
[21:25] <bkerensa> cool
[21:25] <mhall119> http://mhall119.com/2012/02/how-ubuntu-oregon-runs-jams/
[21:25] <bkerensa> mhall119: Wanna swap gigs for a day? You can mentor the 10 college students for me? :P
[21:25] <mhall119> I'm linking to the picture in your blog, hope you don't mind
[21:25] <bkerensa> mhall119: Sure everything there is CC-SA
[21:25] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'll be mentoring cjohnston
[21:25] <mhall119> you sure you want that swap?
[21:25] <Daviey> jcastro: right, hopefully over the weekend.. Damn upstream swaped out a required lib with something not packaged
[21:26] <jcastro> Daviey: yeah I liked how it was in one place and then BAM, moved it on us
[21:26] <mhall119> bkerensa: I was more concerned with using your bandwidth
[21:26] <jcastro> sneaky leedo
[21:26] <bkerensa> mhall119: I also have to go deploy a bunch of ethernet today and will be working till 7pm doing that in 40 degree weather? :P
[21:26] <mhall119> "deploy a bunch of ethernet" meaning running wire?
[21:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: Yes... Cabling
[21:27] <mhall119> ew, no, there's a reason I went into software instead of networking
[21:27] <mhall119> I did that in highschool, never again
[21:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: Me too
[21:27]  * mhall119 can probably still recite the color pattern for those RJ-45 jacks
[21:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: My school district hired me after high school :P was fun for awhile and is ok for occasional work
[21:28] <Daviey> jcastro: considering he actioned my bug (new release request) in Nov, but forgot to update/close the bug *sigh*
[21:28] <mhall119> bkerensa: I somehow always got the job of running cables through older buildings with brick inner walls and no conduits :(
[21:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: My friend fell through the ceiling of our high school and lost a finger while running cable once
[21:29] <bkerensa> sucks
[21:29] <pleia2> we frequently have to run cables above lockers in one school we (partimus) work in
[21:29] <mhall119> wow
[21:29] <pleia2> it's kind of awful
[21:29] <mhall119> nothing that bad ever happened to be, thankfully
[21:29] <pleia2> I am much better at wire crimping than I once was though :)
[21:30] <bkerensa> I hate when I have to work for people who want to do jobs cheap because they want to buy cable graded for indoor and use it outside and it only lasts a few months until the sun bakes it and it cracks
[21:30] <bkerensa> :D
[21:30] <pleia2> I remember when I was living with a friend of mine and she had 5 cables crimped in the time I did one (we were wiring her whole house)
[21:30] <mhall119> that's like saying you're better at applying bandages than you once were.  It sounds good in theory, but usually means something is going horribly wrong
[21:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: My skill at crimping is shaky at best... Sometimes I have to crimp 2-3 times to get a good end
[21:31] <pleia2> I still diligently test all my wires, but mostly because the testing tool is fun to use
[21:31] <bkerensa> so I always give myself extra slack because I usually have to take off connectors and re-crimp :P
[21:31] <mhall119> pleia2: I once had the task of wriring a 200-seat call center
[21:31] <mhall119> I got good fast
[21:31] <pleia2> mhall119: I bet!
[21:32] <bkerensa> mhall119: We had to re-wire our entire high school and upgrade the NIC's in every computer on the campus
[21:34] <mhall119> python is definitely better
[21:35] <mhall119> even Java was better
[21:35] <JanC> makes me remember I still have a couple 100 meters  of UTP a brought home after FOSDEM a couple of years ago  ;)
[21:35] <mhall119> heck *perl* is better than running cable
[21:35] <JanC> *I brought home*
[21:36] <bkerensa> mhall119: PHP for the win :P
[21:36] <JanC> Perl is fine if written by a sane person  ;-)
[21:36] <pleia2> I certainly don't miss the hardware work as a job, but I actually enjoy it on the weekends a few times a year
[21:37] <pleia2> even before moving away from the area my boss had put me on full remote sysadmin duty, I haven't even racked a server at work in over 3 years
[21:38] <JanC> depending on the type (size, contents) of server, racking it can be hard work...
[21:40] <pleia2> fortunately anything 4U and above we tend to send two people on site
[21:41] <JanC> pleia2: that sounds like a good idea, unless that one person is a powerlifter in their free time  ;)
[21:41] <pleia2> heh, seriously
[21:41] <JanC> oh, and I remember replacing 150 desktop PCs + displays (CRT --> TFT) in a 3-stage building without an elevator was hard work too...  :P
[21:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: a 2U can be heavy
[21:42] <JanC> especially in the summer at 35 °C
[21:42] <mhall119> bkerensa: I might actually prefer cabling to php
[21:43] <mhall119> definitely would if the PHP is in Drupal
[21:43] <bkerensa> mhall119: Drupal is horrid
[21:43] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I am tired after racking a 2U but I have done it without killing myself :)
[21:43] <pleia2> mhall119: haha
[21:44] <JanC> Drupal is actually a lot more sane than the majority of PHP apps, unfortunately
[21:44] <bkerensa> JanC: Wordpress :D
[21:44] <JanC> or joomla...
[21:44] <bkerensa> WP is my bread and butter with a dash of cabling here and there
[21:44] <bkerensa> :D
[21:45]  * JanC had to do forensics on a defaced Joomla site once
[21:45] <mhall119> drupal is worse than wordpress
[21:46] <JanC> obviously, not updating joomla for 7 months (~= 13 remote exploits) was not a good idea  :P
[21:46] <bkerensa> mhall119: Indeed and Joomla is worse then Drupal.... Jeez why Joomla even exist anymore
[21:46] <bkerensa> :D
[21:46] <bkerensa> Portals are so yesterday
[21:47] <JanC> I told them they were lucky they weren't defaced half a year before  ;)
[21:47] <mhall119> isn't Joomla a fork of drupal?
[21:47] <JanC> nope
[21:47] <JanC> certainly not
[21:47] <bkerensa> mhall119: nah its a portal platform like phpnuke and others
[21:47] <mhall119> wasn't there a drupal fork?
[21:48] <JanC> drupal, you can understand how it works, joomla is completely incomprehensible
[21:48] <JanC> joomla is a fork of something else
[21:48] <bkerensa> wasnt joomla called mambo?
[21:48] <JanC> a fork of Mambo
[21:48] <JanC> yes
[21:48] <bkerensa> and mambo was horrible too :P
[21:49] <JanC> well, it's still the same base AFAIK
[21:50] <JanC> at least the Drupal folks did some work to sanitize/secure their basic CMS code
[21:50] <pleia2> bkerensa: oh man, phpnuke, you're giving me 2002 flashbacks :)
[21:50] <mhall119> lol
[22:01] <jono> mhall119, can we have a quick G+ in a few mins
[22:41] <jono> balloons, hangout invite sent
[22:41] <balloons> k
[22:41] <balloons> audio is whacked out
[22:41] <balloons> so..
[22:41] <balloons> should be fun
[22:42] <balloons> yep restarting i guess
[22:42] <balloons> it's borked
[22:43] <balloons> real terror this afternoon on my box
[22:43] <balloons> so much breakage
[22:43] <jono> haha
[22:46] <mhall119> jono: sorry, was afk
[22:48] <mhall119> sweet, India is having a global jam!
[22:55] <jono> mhall119, no worries, will ping in a bit, or just email you, I know it is getting late there
[23:05] <jcastro> man it's such a nice day too
[23:05] <jcastro> we should be at the beach
[23:11] <balloons> ohh yay!
[23:11] <balloons> such a nice day
[23:11] <balloons> northerners staying in my house yesterday and today.. they went to the beach today :-)
[23:11] <balloons> really really windy here tho