| [18:54] <seiflotfy> hey guys | |
| [19:24] <elacheche_anis> hey seiflotfy :) | |
| [19:34] <seiflotfy> ashams: my love | |
| [19:34] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [19:35] <ashams> seiflotfy, hey sweat heart :P | |
| [19:35] <ashams> :D | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> how r u | |
| [19:35] <ashams> are you in egypt so far? | |
| [19:35] <ashams> fine ya basha | |
| [19:35] <ashams> u? | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> i am in germany | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> hzacking | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> i am fine | |
| [19:35] <ashams> cool | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> kinda adpoted a new developer teaching him how to actually hack zeitggeist | |
| [19:35] <seiflotfy> he is very promising | |
| [19:35] <ashams> woooooohoooo | |
| [19:36] <ashams> that would be cool | |
| [19:36] <ashams> are u mentoring him on a ML? | |
| [19:37] <ashams> can you ask him/her if I can get it then put into some doc or intro to developing into zg? | |
| [19:37] <seiflotfy> no i am mentoring him on irc | |
| [19:37] <seiflotfy> giving him small tasks | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> he has however good knowledge of c++ and c | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> which makes my life easy | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> but yeah | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> sounds like a good idea | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> maybe he can start a blog | |
| [19:38] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [19:38] <ashams> cool dude | |
| [19:38] <ashams> finally I can help :D | |
| [19:39] <seiflotfy> Boy asks, "Granny, have you seen my pills, they're marked LSD". Granny replies, "F*ck the pills, have u seen the dragon in the kitchen?!" | |
| [19:40] <ashams> hahaha | |
| [19:41] <ashams> dude, do you still want to make that conference fossdAm or fosscon? | |
| [19:41] <ashams> we can make a use of it to start an ngo | |
| [19:41] <ashams> woohoo 2 helghareeb helghareeb_ cool :D | |
| [19:43] <elacheche_anis> ashams & seiflotfy I was thinking that we are the only team that we have lovers XD but I think that you have lovers too :p :p XD | |
| [19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: why do we need an ngo | |
| [19:44] <seiflotfy> ? | |
| [19:44] <ashams> elacheche_anis, coll sweetie :P | |
| [19:44] <ashams> seiflotfy, it's hard to collect donations | |
| [19:44] <ashams> we're not legal entity | |
| [19:44] <seiflotfy> ashams: uhm u dont want donations | |
| [19:44] <seiflotfy> u want events that get payed for you | |
| [19:44] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [19:44] <ashams> exactly | |
| [19:45] <ashams> that's what I was thinking about | |
| [19:45] <seiflotfy> so no neeed for ngo | |
| [19:45] <seiflotfy> if we do fosdam we dont need to be an entity | |
| [19:45] <ashams> seiflotfy, no, dude we need donations | |
| [19:45] <seiflotfy> we get in contact with a uni who will donate us space | |
| [19:45] <seiflotfy> donate us space | |
| [19:46] <ashams> so what about cds | |
| [19:46] <ashams> stickers | |
| [19:46] <ashams> t-shirts | |
| [19:46] <seiflotfy> this is ubuntu related | |
| [19:46] <seiflotfy> not fosdam | |
| [19:46] <ashams> aha | |
| [19:46] <ashams> that what I was asking about | |
| [19:46] <ashams> is ubuntu related to fossdam | |
| [19:46] <seiflotfy> i dont think there are any ubuntu ngos | |
| [19:46] <ashams> but clearly not | |
| [19:47] <ashams> yes, there's none | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam (one s) | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> fosdam should allow all open source | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> and not only encourage ubuntu | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> so we want mozilla ppl | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> we want gnome ppl | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> kde | |
| [19:47] <seiflotfy> not only ubuntu related stuff | |
| [19:47] <ashams> yes, and that ngo not necessarily ubuntu | |
| [19:48] <ashams> maybe a branch of FSF | |
| [19:48] <ashams> for egypt | |
| [19:48] <ashams> not only for ubuntu ofcourse | |
| [19:48] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm fsf and osi not the same thing | |
| [19:48] <seiflotfy> imho opinion no need for an ngo | |
| [19:49] <seiflotfy> what will we do with the money | |
| [19:49] <seiflotfy> get ubutu-shirts | |
| [19:49] <seiflotfy> not the ngos repsonsibility | |
| [19:49] <seiflotfy> the ngo could donate to ubuntu-eg | |
| [19:49] <ashams> no, it's illegal | |
| [19:49] <ashams> self-fund or no money | |
| [19:50] <ashams> and self-fund is scarse | |
| [19:50] <ashams> scarce | |
| [19:50] <seiflotfy> an egyptian ngo cant donate to ubuntu-eg | |
| [19:50] <seiflotfy> ? | |
| [19:50] <ashams> not enough money | |
| [19:50] <ashams> yes, it can't | |
| [19:50] <seiflotfy> wtf | |
| [19:50] <seiflotfy> who came up with this rule | |
| [19:50] <seiflotfy> ? | |
| [19:50] <ashams> we have no identity at all | |
| [19:50] <ashams> it's illegal dude | |
| [19:50] <ashams> I hate egyptian law | |
| [19:51] <seiflotfy> ashams: yeah but it could donate the shirt | |
| [19:51] <seiflotfy> as in print the shirts and send the mto ppl who request it | |
| [19:51] <ashams> they usually print their logo biger than ubuntu-eg's | |
| [19:51] <ashams> bigger* | |
| [19:52] <ashams> on the same shirt | |
| [19:52] <ashams> :) | |
| [19:52] <seiflotfy> yeah i can take care of that | |
| [19:52] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [19:53] <ashams> so, the idea is to make some hub to collect funds to help all FL/OSS movements in egypt | |
| [19:53] <ashams> :-) | |
| [19:54] <seiflotfy> having floss movement depend on funds at an early stage is dangerous | |
| [19:54] <seiflotfy> first we need better functioning communities and deployments | |
| [19:54] <seiflotfy> then we get money to try to maintain the deployments | |
| [19:54] <ashams> we almost have this in ubuntu eg | |
| [19:55] <ashams> right | |
| [19:55] <seiflotfy> getting money to expand is dangeoures in the sense that it makes expansion dependant on funds | |
| [19:55] <seiflotfy> which shouldnt be | |
| [19:55] <seiflotfy> this would lead the equation of no funds == no expansion | |
| [19:56] <seiflotfy> first thign we need is to teach ppl to use irc | |
| [19:56] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [19:56] <ashams> haha :D | |
| [19:56] <seiflotfy> but having a central hub for FOSS in egypt does make sense though | |
| [19:56] <ashams> why so? | |
| [19:57] <seiflotfy> such an entity can represent at confernces | |
| [19:57] <ashams> man, finance is our only problem | |
| [19:57] <ashams> how you think we can fix it? | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> be part of ubuntu and gnome | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> this will fix it for you | |
| [19:58] <ashams> we are already | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> as part of ubutnu and gnome i get my shirts and shit payed for | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> but yes i agree | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> u r right | |
| [19:58] <seiflotfy> an entitiy is a good idea | |
| [19:59] <seiflotfy> as long as it sperates itself from ubuntu-eg and others in terms of interest | |
| [19:59] <ashams> the step-council is about to launch the new structure, so it seemed that ubutnu-eg have reached some good status to get funds | |
| [19:59] <seiflotfy> and work on the local education on open source | |
| [19:59] <ashams> yeah | |
| [19:59] <ashams> that's it | |
| [19:59] <ashams> ppl graduate form schools with no thing | |
| [19:59] <seiflotfy> if you guys want shirt tell me how much it will cose | |
| [19:59] <ashams> lamers | |
| [19:59] <seiflotfy> cost | |
| [19:59] <seiflotfy> i will look into getting canonical pay them for you guys | |
| [20:00] <ashams> seriously? | |
| [20:00] <ashams> that would be cool | |
| [20:00] <ashams> but, I think we need to focus on an ngo more | |
| [20:00] <ashams> to fix it forever | |
| [20:01] <seiflotfy> ashams: it wont fix it forever | |
| [20:01] <seiflotfy> right now u want money for ubuntu-shirts and ubutnu-eg related thing | |
| [20:02] <seiflotfy> then lets get ubuntu to sponsor it for us | |
| [20:02] <ashams> aha | |
| [20:02] <seiflotfy> ashams: the entity itself will not represent ubuntu-eg | |
| [20:03] <seiflotfy> entity being the ngo | |
| [20:03] <ashams> and about future....? we'll need more soon, ppl join everyday and we'll ned more and more | |
| [20:03] <ashams> need* | |
| [20:03] <ashams> it's continuous work | |
| [20:03] <seiflotfy> ashams: getting shirts is not really something we need to be concerned of | |
| [20:03] <seiflotfy> there are bigger issues | |
| [20:03] <seiflotfy> education | |
| [20:04] <ashams> aha | |
| [20:04] <seiflotfy> what does a shirt say about some1 | |
| [20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a mozilla shirt | |
| [20:04] <seiflotfy> doesnt make me a mozilla guy | |
| [20:04] <seiflotfy> i have a kde shirt too | |
| [20:04] <ashams> it's important for expansion | |
| [20:04] <seiflotfy> no its not | |
| [20:04] <ashams> to get ppl know about it | |
| [20:05] <seiflotfy> important for expansion is goign to events and talking | |
| [20:05] <ashams> events need money too | |
| [20:05] <seiflotfy> going to universities and actually formatting pcs to use ubuntu :P | |
| [20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: eventy dont need money | |
| [20:05] <seiflotfy> ashams: events need ppl to donate their time | |
| [20:05] <seiflotfy> and space | |
| [20:06] <seiflotfy> ashams: you shouldnt go ask an uni if you can rent its rooms for ubuntu-eg stuff | |
| [20:06] <seiflotfy> look for the unis that will donate the rooms for you | |
| [20:06] <seiflotfy> and make u not pay | |
| [20:06] <seiflotfy> avoid money transaction | |
| [20:06] <ashams> manoura university ets ~2000 for one conf room :( | |
| [20:06] <ashams> gets* | |
| [20:06] <ashams> one day | |
| [20:06] <seiflotfy> then fuck them | |
| [20:06] <ashams> horible | |
| [20:07] <ashams> so we need money | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> i can talk to CAiro Uni | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> no u dont | |
| [20:07] <ashams> and self-fund can't take it | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> ashams: wanna bet that i can get a uni to donate rooms for us | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> without us having to pay anything | |
| [20:07] <ashams> yes | |
| [20:07] <ashams> yes | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> because i started talking to cairo uni | |
| [20:07] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [20:08] <ashams> for fossdam? | |
| [20:08] <seiflotfy> its fosdam | |
| [20:08] <seiflotfy> one s | |
| [20:08] <seiflotfy> abotu the idea of a open source conf | |
| [20:08] <ashams> haha ok | |
| [20:08] <seiflotfy> talked to some professorts there | |
| [20:08] <ashams> yes | |
| [20:09] <seiflotfy> so if a uni wants you to pay them money to give a talk about something non profit then feel free to tell them to go fuck themselves | |
| [20:09] <seiflotfy> find unis that wont ask for money | |
| [20:09] <ashams> :D | |
| [20:10] <ashams> cool, will try to | |
| [20:10] <seiflotfy> ok i gtg | |
| [20:10] <seiflotfy> need to get some stuff done here | |
| [20:10] <seiflotfy> :D | |
| [20:10] <ashams> ok bye dude | |
| [20:10] <seiflotfy> ttyl | |
| [20:10] <seiflotfy> bye | |