| [00:10] * Kurdistan bed time. take care everyone. | |
| [00:15] <Riddell> yofel: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/pavucontrol.png | |
| [00:16] <yofel> yeah, seen that with gnome-tweak-tool and no working gtk3 theme | |
| [00:16] <yofel> it's fine with oxygen-gtk3 | |
| [00:17] * Riddell snoozes | |
| [00:31] <Riddell> afiestas: ^^ | |
| [00:32] <afiestas> I just had a mental fart, thought was talking in kubuntu-devel but actually was talking in another channel xD | |
| [00:33] <afiestas> Riddell: you are missing some icons as do I | |
| [04:03] <Tm_T> yofel: yes I have those in my krandrrc | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [07:50] <djszapi> hi! Does the kde-runtime package (4.8 version) build the plasma components API ? | |
| === Kottizen_ is now known as Kottizen | |
| [09:29] <Riddell> djszapi: it's builds runtime components, as you can find out from the packaging | |
| [09:29] <djszapi> Riddell: also plasma active ones, like this ? http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/plasma-qml-apidocs/ | |
| [09:30] <Riddell> those are API | |
| [09:30] <Riddell> dpkg -L kde-runtime | |
| [09:30] <Riddell> dpkg -L kde-runtime-data | |
| [09:30] <djszapi> Riddell: porting the kubuntu package to Harmattan. The build is not done yet, but I am gonna check out the contents. | |
| [09:31] <djszapi> I know kubuntu used an activity "hack" earlier. | |
| [09:31] <djszapi> in the rules file, I think. | |
| [09:31] <apachelogger> acitivity hack? | |
| [09:31] <Riddell> I don't remember making any changes to activities | |
| [09:32] <apachelogger> well, they were hidden from the cashew back in 4.1 or so, due to them being utterly broken and confusing :P | |
| [09:32] <apachelogger> scary times those were | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> there's a problem plama-desktop's dependencies (or lack of them) on libkactivities6 and libkactivities-bin | |
| [09:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: they're still a bad user experience | |
| [09:33] <djszapi> apachelogger: yes, double configure. | |
| [09:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: not as bad ^^ | |
| [09:33] <Riddell> win-tab key and all your windows disappear without any clue what's happened, so nasty | |
| [09:42] <Riddell> yofel: ug rekonq is nothing but crash for me now | |
| [09:42] * Riddell tries a dist-upgrade | |
| [09:43] <yofel> Worked for me as long as i keep away from flash | |
| [09:43] <djszapi> Riddell: anyway, thanks :) | |
| [09:46] <Riddell> djszapi: hmm, kde-runtime: /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_appletscript_declarative.so | |
| [09:46] <Riddell> so that file does come from -runtime so maybe you're right | |
| [09:47] <djszapi> Riddell: http://paste.xinu.at/H36u/ -> I had this rules file for KDE/4.7 | |
| [09:48] <djszapi> there was a separate series-active patch set. | |
| [09:48] <djszapi> I am almost pretty sure I got it adopted from ubuntu. | |
| [09:49] <Riddell> that might be rbelem's area | |
| [09:49] <Riddell> he's been into adding mobile and tablet patches | |
| [09:50] <Riddell> djszapi: have you asked ervin or another kde platform guy what other configure flags are available for mobile needs? | |
| [09:50] <djszapi> just this platform profile. | |
| [09:50] <djszapi> but I can notmart and aseigo | |
| [09:50] <djszapi> about plasma active in general | |
| [09:51] <Riddell> we're behind in pacakging plasma active at the moment, any patches we've added are probably out of date | |
| [10:01] <Riddell> yofel: a dist-upgrade sorted it, must be some abi breakage we didn't catch, not importnat | |
| [10:03] <yofel> k | |
| [10:03] <yofel> Did someone look at digikam yet? | |
| [10:04] <Riddell> no, it's on my todo list but I think I'm wanting to do owncloud today | |
| [10:04] <Riddell> or maybe I should work out what calligra needs to compile | |
| [10:05] <yofel> For calligra just throw the whole unfunctional marble check out and define it by hand | |
| [10:06] <Riddell> gosh I find it really objectionable how google is using their front page to advertise chrome now | |
| [10:09] <Riddell> ug new "go" button in rekonq is labeled "load typed URL", that's not remotely user friendly | |
| [10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: they're been doing that for several months quite aggressively now | |
| [10:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: what giving bad labels to buttons? | |
| [10:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: I mean google and chrome ads | |
| [10:22] <Tm_T> talking about bad labels, finnish translation of monitor settings talks about printers | |
| [10:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: translation issues need working out if it's a bug from launchpad or upstream and reported in the right place | |
| [10:31] <Tm_T> yup | |
| [10:31] <Tm_T> just noticed that yesterday, haven't had time yet to look from where it comes and who did it | |
| [10:31] <Tm_T> although I have an idea | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> yofel: think this'll do it? http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=calligra.git&a=commitdiff_plain&h=5e647de09265c4487f9a37d0a50a755abb3cf303 | |
| [10:34] <yofel> I'm just trying it, but that failed in neon | |
| [10:35] <Riddell> I can't see why it would work, it's just some cmake bits, nothing useful like checking the version of the marble library | |
| [10:41] <yofel> same error with official 4.8 | |
| [10:41] <Riddell> that compiler line is missing any -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/ | |
| [10:42] <Riddell> so yes this might help set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} | |
| [10:42] <yofel> well, it does already have set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} ${QT_QTGUI_INCLUDES}) | |
| [10:43] <Riddell> yeah that's why it's weird | |
| [10:43] <Riddell> as a quick fix include_directories(/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/) should help | |
| [10:44] <Riddell> in the right place | |
| [10:49] <yofel> fun | |
| [10:49] <yofel> message("includes: ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES}") | |
| [10:49] <yofel> -> includes: | |
| [10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: what are the rekonq bts? | |
| [10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: bts? | |
| [10:52] <apachelogger> backtraces | |
| [10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: no idea, a dist upgrade sorted it so it'll have been an abi issue | |
| [10:53] <apachelogger> weird enough | |
| [10:53] <Riddell> now it's working fine, not crashed yet | |
| [10:53] <Riddell> not dared to use flash yet though | |
| [11:05] <Riddell> yofel: I get in the cmake output "-- Performing Test SETMARBLEWIDGET - Failed | |
| [11:05] <Riddell> which I guess is what I want | |
| [11:05] <yofel> yes, you want that | |
| [11:05] <yofel> I'm just trying to find out why the include variables are empty | |
| [11:06] <Riddell> mm, some cmake weirdness there, they should be filled in by default when using the KDE cmake stuff | |
| [11:20] <yofel> ok, wtf? now I have " -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui", but it still fails with QtCore/QtGlobal: No such file or directory o.O | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> umm | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> oh then you'll need -I/usr/include/qt4/ | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> for QtCore/QtGlobal | |
| [11:22] <yofel> *headdesk* | |
| [11:22] <Riddell> else it'll be looking for /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/QtCore/QtGlobal | |
| [11:23] <yofel> bah, I'm still asleep today | |
| [11:25] <yofel> works \o/ | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> awooga | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> how did you fix | |
| [11:25] <Riddell> how did you fix/workaround it? | |
| [11:25] <yofel> - set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_QTCORE_INCLUDES} ${QT_QTGUI_INCLUDES}) | |
| [11:25] <yofel> + set(CMAKE_REQUIRED_INCLUDES ${QT_INCLUDE_DIR}) | |
| [11:25] <yofel> someone didn't read the find_package() documentation properly | |
| [11:26] <Riddell> hah | |
| [11:26] <Kurdistan> I have found intressting bug. when I use my usb bluetooth to send files from laptopt-phone my laptop freeze. | |
| [11:26] <Kurdistan> known bug? | |
| [11:27] <Kurdistan> it freezes everytime I try. | |
| [11:27] <Riddell> no, afiestas has the knowledge in that area | |
| [11:28] <Kurdistan> okey. it finds my bluetooth correct and everything, but when I try to send stuff my laptop freeze. | |
| [11:29] <Riddell> yofel: are you parallel building calligra or just single CPU build? | |
| [11:29] <Riddell> because when I do make -j4 it always stops randomly but make -j1 carries on fine | |
| [11:29] <yofel> in neon we build with --parallel, but don't ask me if it really does that | |
| [11:29] <Riddell> I don't think that does anything currently | |
| [11:30] <yofel> I'll give it a try with -j4 | |
| [11:30] <Riddell> I have done, lots, always get errors | |
| [11:30] <Riddell> calligra needs to have its CMakeLists files sorted for parallel build then but as we just discovered they're no experts in CMakeLists :) | |
| [11:31] <Kurdistan> can it be kernel related or is it kde? | |
| [11:31] <yofel> if the OS freezes, kernel | |
| [11:31] <Kurdistan> yofel, that was my first thought to. | |
| [11:31] <Riddell> Kurdistan: there are many more layers for possible blame | |
| [11:32] <Kurdistan> I have tested the different 3.0* kernels and same result | |
| [11:32] <yofel> well, kernel if you can't switch to a TTY anymore, and sysrq+reisub doesn't work either | |
| [11:33] <Kurdistan> should bug report it then. | |
| [11:33] * yofel replied to the calligra commit mail he got | |
| [11:33] <Kurdistan> but I do not know against what kernel/bluez/graphical driver? | |
| [11:34] <yofel> #ubuntu-bugs might help | |
| [11:36] <Kurdistan> yofel, let se if they reply. | |
| [12:17] <Riddell> hmm | |
| [12:17] <Riddell> /home/jr/src/calligra/calligra-2.3.87/active/src/MainWindow.h:27:26: fatal error: kdeclarative.h: No such file or directory | |
| [12:18] <Riddell> ah, new build-dep on kdelibs5-experimental-dev | |
| === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch | |
| [12:31] <Kurdistan> yofel, now I have bigger problem. I tried install bluetooth package and bluez-utils something like that | |
| [12:31] <Kurdistan> after that bluedevil was installed | |
| [12:31] <Kurdistan> now when I try to install bluedevil it does not work | |
| [12:32] <Kurdistan> bluedevil was removed sorry. I try to install bluedevil again but does not work. | |
| [12:32] <Kurdistan> conflict between kde 4.8.0 and bluedevil version for kubuntu 11.10? | |
| [12:34] <Kurdistan> I removed does files installed and wanted to install bluedevil again and now it does not work. | |
| [12:34] <Kurdistan> :( | |
| [12:53] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yofel how do we want to proceed on KDE Telepathy? | |
| [12:54] <shadeslayer_> 0.3 is up for testing, there were a couple of packaging bugs that I fixed later on | |
| [12:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: if I test it and I like what I see is it good enough to upload? | |
| [12:55] <Kurdistan> trying to build bluedevil-1.3.1 if that will help. | |
| [12:55] <Riddell> thanks Kurdistan | |
| [12:55] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: I'd suggest getting a OK from another Kubuntu Dev | |
| [12:56] <shadeslayer_> just to cover all our bases | |
| [12:56] <Kurdistan> Riddell, :) building for myself. I do not have any ppa yet. | |
| [12:56] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa | |
| [12:57] <shadeslayer_> The meta package needs a bit of tweaking before a upload | |
| [12:57] <shadeslayer_> i.e. remove all references about telepathy-kde since it never went into the archives | |
| [12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all | |
| [12:58] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, hi. | |
| [12:58] <BluesKaj> hi Kurdistan | |
| [12:59] <Kurdistan> any one that knows if there is conflict between bluedevil-1.2.1 and kde 4.8.0? | |
| [12:59] <Kurdistan> bec. I can not install it anymore. | |
| [12:59] <Kurdistan> let see if it makes any problem with 1.3.1 | |
| [13:02] <BluesKaj> I see 1.2.2 in the repos , as well as 1.9.1 libbluedevil-dev, Kurdistan | |
| [13:03] <Kurdistan> BluesKaj, I am using kubuntu 11.10 | |
| [13:03] <Kurdistan> I know 12.04 have 1.2.2 | |
| [13:03] <BluesKaj> ok | |
| [13:03] <Kurdistan> maybe kubuntu backports should have bluedevil 1.2.2 | |
| [13:03] <Kurdistan> ? | |
| [13:05] <BluesKaj> I assume ppl are using 12.04 , due to this being a devel channel ... suppose i'd better put that assumption aside | |
| [13:06] * apachelogger hasn't used a dev series before beta *ever* :P | |
| [13:07] <Kurdistan> brb | |
| [13:10] <shadeslayer_> I usually upgrade 2 weeks after the first alpha | |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | |
| [13:20] <rbelem> Riddell, ping | |
| [13:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm having trouble with a wireless mouse on my other pc ...it won't move where you want it , moves randomly | |
| [13:21] <BluesKaj> wireless USB | |
| [13:24] <Riddell> hi rbelem | |
| [13:25] <rbelem> Riddell, could you take a look in the plasma-mobile pkg https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages | |
| [13:25] <rbelem> Riddell, everything should be fine except the debian/copyright that i did not generated yet | |
| [13:26] <Riddell> plasma mobile is still developed? | |
| [13:26] <rbelem> Riddell, the source package still plasma-mobile but binaries are plasma-acitve | |
| [13:27] <rbelem> Riddell, the project name still plasma-mobile in git and cmake | |
| [13:27] <Riddell> hmm | |
| [13:28] <Riddell> how very confusing of them | |
| [13:28] <rbelem> :-D | |
| [13:29] <Riddell> rbelem: diff compared to our current package looks good | |
| [13:29] <Riddell> rbelem: does it compile and work? | |
| [13:29] <agateau> hey, do we have packages for qt5 in a ppa somewhere? | |
| [13:29] <Riddell> agateau: no it hasn't been packaged yet | |
| [13:30] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks | |
| [13:30] <Riddell> and upstream is yet to make tars or even to work out if it's package-able | |
| [13:30] <Riddell> (although dirk has done so for suse so something must be possible) | |
| [13:30] <apol> Riddell: can kubuntu make use of it somehow? https://launchpad.net/~tehnick/+archive/kde-gtk-config | |
| [13:31] <Riddell> yofel, apachelogger ^^ ? | |
| [13:31] <rbelem> Riddell, i will run some stress tests before set it as ready :-D | |
| [13:32] <Kurdistan> sorry guys/girls bludevil 1.2.1 is working (package). the reason it did not wanted to get installed was obex-server was removed | |
| [13:32] <Riddell> rbelem: feature freeze is on thursday | |
| [13:32] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know about any ui testing tool? | |
| [13:32] <Riddell> rbelem: no, greyback knows of one but that'll take learning and setup to use | |
| [13:32] <Riddell> Testability I think | |
| [13:33] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... i will run with the tests then | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> I do not have my keys with me though | |
| [13:34] * apachelogger is at work | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 9636 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk_preview | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 5440 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/reload_gtk_apps | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> -rwxr-xr-x root/root 9624 2012-02-12 00:36 ./usr/bin/gtk3_preview | |
| [13:34] <apachelogger> those are rather generic names | |
| [13:37] <yofel> Put it in universe, I don't like how it works, but that's gtk3's fault | |
| [13:37] <dantti> rbelem: hey | |
| [13:38] <rbelem> dantti, heya :-) | |
| [13:38] <apachelogger> yofel: whether you like it does not concern the user much :P :P :P | |
| [13:38] <dantti> rbelem: how's things? too busy? | |
| [13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do believe it should build with the kde argument in debian/rules | |
| [13:38] <apachelogger> as it builds a kcm lib | |
| [13:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde argument? you mean the pkg-kde include line? | |
| [13:39] <dantti> rbelem: how's your samba? wanna samba in this carnaval? :P I need some samba help can do you have some spare time? | |
| [13:39] <rbelem> dantti, every thing is going fine :-) my son is taking a lots of my time :-D but it is good time spent | |
| [13:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is an argument to dh nowadays, is it not? | |
| [13:39] <Riddell> yofel: are you still wanting to get gtk theme bits into main or have you given up on that? | |
| [13:39] * apachelogger always copies from another packag e^^ | |
| [13:40] <debfx> why do we need 2 gtk theme KCMs? | |
| [13:40] <apachelogger> we don't | |
| [13:40] <dantti> rbelem: sure kids take lots of time.. | |
| [13:40] <apachelogger> new one is superior -> throw old one away | |
| [13:40] <rbelem> dantti, :-D yup i have time | |
| [13:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde sc still uses the old system of "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk" a newer way is to use "dh_auto_configure -Skde" as you say | |
| [13:41] <apachelogger> neither is what I mean | |
| [13:41] <rbelem> dantti, is it related to the kde ui for samba sharing? | |
| [13:42] <dantti> rbelem: ok, I'm taking up the print-manager stuff again after a nice idea I had, but one of the missing things are a samba print search, that I really don't have much of an Idea of how it works... | |
| [13:42] <dantti> rbelem: what I'd need is that you could take a look at what the system-config-printer does with samba and do it in cpp :D | |
| [13:43] <yofel> The user doesn't care about the difference between gtk2 and 3 either | |
| [13:43] <debfx> eh, haven't we discussed this whole gtk3 situation already? and done all the work necessary? | |
| [13:43] <yofel> we have | |
| [13:44] <rbelem> dantti, i can do that in some days i'm finishing the kcm filesharing | |
| [13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: dh $@ --with kde | |
| [13:44] <apachelogger> that is the one I meant | |
| [13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: aah | |
| [13:44] <rbelem> dantti, im planning to finish it till wed | |
| [13:44] <apachelogger> the other stuff is only for SC IIRC | |
| [13:44] <apachelogger> or used to be anyway | |
| [13:44] <rbelem> dantti, then i can start | |
| [13:45] <rbelem> dantti, is it ok? | |
| [13:45] <dantti> rbelem: cool, probably till wednesday I'll have finished my changes on it too | |
| [13:45] <dantti> rbelem: sure, sounds great... | |
| [13:45] <rbelem> :-) | |
| [13:45] <dantti> rbelem: not sure if you have a printer but this will be really cool adition to kde :D | |
| [13:47] <rbelem> dantti, yeah i think so this is something that really makes a difference for the users | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> plasma active on kubuntu! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/active.png | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> three cheers to rbelem | |
| [13:49] <Riddell> horribly slow with my GPU but | |
| [13:50] <debfx> ok, so please let's keep this other gtk kcm out of the archive or if you really want it use a name that's actually distinguishable from the current one | |
| [13:51] <rbelem> Riddell, :-D | |
| [13:52] <Riddell> debfx: it's another option and might be useful or become useful so I think we should have it in the archive, but a distinguishable would be nice yes | |
| [13:52] <Riddell> rbelem: I'm fine to just upload this, with FF on thursday and all | |
| [13:54] <rbelem> Riddell, sweet :-) i will run to finish everything asap | |
| [13:55] <Riddell> ScottK: how hard is it to make new images for kubuntu active? | |
| [14:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i was using a linaro tool to build images | |
| [14:01] <Riddell> rbelem: I didn't know you have built images, what's on them? | |
| [14:02] <Riddell> it shouldn't be hard to adapt the kubuntu-mobile bits to be kubuntu-active but I don't know if we have enough manpower to do it by thursday or to follow it through after that | |
| [14:02] <rbelem> Riddell, just the basics based on kubuntu seed | |
| [14:02] <rbelem> Riddell, i think i can do | |
| [14:03] <rbelem> Riddell, it will not be perfect but we can improve later | |
| [14:16] * Riddell grumbles as audio stops working on his laptop | |
| [14:17] <Riddell> ah, speakers not turned on, good thing I didn't go with a gut reaction of blaming pulseaudio :) | |
| [14:19] <shadeslayer_> hahaha | |
| [14:20] <BluesKaj> Riddell, yeah it's odd how after updtes/upgrades alsa mutes / turns the volume down on some soundcards | |
| [14:20] <Riddell> yofel: you still want to get bug 930384 and bug 930112 done and in main? | |
| [14:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 930384 in xsettings-kde (Ubuntu) "[MIR] xsettings-kde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930384 | |
| [14:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 930112 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] oxygen-gtk3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930112 | |
| [14:21] <shadeslayer_> rbelem: might I suggest copyright helper from : git://anonscm.debian.org/users/modax/copyright-helper.git | |
| [14:22] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, nice! thnx | |
| [14:22] <shadeslayer_> rbelem: usage is something like : ./copyright-helper.pl -sc or ./copyright-helper.pl -l /path/to/folder | |
| [14:23] <shadeslayer_> see the last few lines of the file for more args :) | |
| [14:24] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i'm writing one in python | |
| [14:24] <shadeslayer_> heh :P | |
| [14:24] <shadeslayer_> that works pretty good | |
| [14:25] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i will take a look to get some ideas from there :-D | |
| [14:25] <shadeslayer_> :D | |
| [14:26] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i'm using nltk and will convert to dep5 or spdx | |
| [14:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, and it will be able to update the debian/copyright | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer_> that's awesome | |
| [14:28] <shadeslayer_> would love something like that | |
| [14:28] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i think i will present it in the next uds | |
| [14:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i hate to edit the debian/copyright by hand | |
| [14:29] <shadeslayer_> yeah same here | |
| [14:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, i really hate, i just do not maintain more packages because of that | |
| [14:30] <shadeslayer_> hehe | |
| [14:31] <rbelem> soon we will not do that anymore :-D | |
| [14:36] <BluesKaj> is there native kde gui firewall app ? | |
| [14:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: you totally hijacked one of fabo's tasks :P | |
| [14:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-) | |
| [14:37] <BluesKaj> we have akde purist who doesn't want to use the cli or gtk for his FW setup | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: try kde-apps.org | |
| [14:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, i talked to him some days ago | |
| [14:37] <apachelogger> rbelem: did he shout at you? :P | |
| [14:38] <rbelem> apachelogger, nope :-D | |
| [14:38] <rbelem> heheeh | |
| [14:38] <apachelogger> fabo: you should totally shout more :P | |
| [14:38] * apachelogger huggles everyone and goes back to work | |
| [14:39] <rbelem> :-D | |
| [14:49] <yofel> Riddell: yes, or we won't have gtk3 support by default | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> yofel: ok then you need to poke mir people | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> or I need to ignore mir and just promote them | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> or kubuntu packages need demoted to universe | |
| [14:53] <yofel> poke where? | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> yofel: pitti and mterry for example on #ubuntu-devel | |
| [14:54] <yofel> I'll poke pitti then | |
| [14:57] <yofel> or mterry, I don't see pitti on ~ubuntu-mir | |
| [15:06] <Riddell> oh maybe he moved on | |
| [15:07] <apachelogger> now workig on unity-sru | |
| [15:10] <Kurdistan> http://imgur.com/vK4bT <<--- error message that I managed to take. | |
| [15:11] <apachelogger> Kurdistan: click the tab | |
| [15:11] <apachelogger> that windows says nothing | |
| [15:12] <Riddell> yay, calligra uploaded. still needs optional build-deps reviewed and who knows if it'll build on ARM | |
| [15:12] <yofel> \o/ | |
| [15:12] <Kurdistan> apachelogger, :) I did not had time. it crashed after that. | |
| [15:13] <Kurdistan> :( this crashes with bluetooth usb when transfering files from/to laptop-phone makes me angry. | |
| [15:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: we need to put optional build dep listing into our tooling efforts | |
| [15:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, a README.Kubuntu files with info on them would be a nice practice | |
| [15:15] <Kurdistan> crashes/freezes | |
| [15:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is not what I meant | |
| [15:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: have a script to parse a build log for unmet dependencies | |
| [15:16] <apachelogger> perhaps get upstream to make their output more machine readable | |
| [15:16] <apachelogger> then have a file to blacklist deps we never want etc. | |
| [15:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm I disagree, we should automate everything that reliably can be but cmake output and the .deb testing at the end can't be sensibly automated | |
| [15:17] <Riddell> yes if upstream had more machine readable output that might be possible | |
| [15:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is not meant for automation | |
| [15:17] <apachelogger> but help us be more efficient | |
| [15:17] <apachelogger> and not miss deps | |
| [15:17] <Riddell> if it's can't be reliably automated then a half-hearted automation attempt means we'd still end up relying on that and missing build-deps | |
| [15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: needs investigation | |
| [15:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: for all we care, upstream could simply print ----- dep stats ----\n foo bar blah blah\n ----- dep end ------ | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> right | |
| [15:19] <apachelogger> if that section is present -> take stuff between start and end, put it on a webpage somewhere, if not -> instruct packager to look at build log & provide link to log | |
| [15:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: thing is, not only we need to deal with a larger amount of packages, but every distro does, so making upstream provide easier automatable sources totally makes sense | |
| [15:21] <Riddell> yes | |
| [15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: review Kubuntu specific applications for accessibility, fix issues | |
| [15:36] <apachelogger> that workitem needs fixing | |
| [15:37] <apachelogger> it doesn't really say anything | |
| [15:37] <apachelogger> it might as well be 'review kubuntu specific applications for stuff and fix issues with that stuff' | |
| [15:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: well check if qt at spi works would be the first step | |
| [15:43] <Riddell> and upstream seem to be doing the other step which is review applications | |
| [15:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: so the WI is 'check if qt-at-spi is working with our applications'? | |
| [15:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes | |
| [15:56] <Riddell> well it should be two | |
| [15:56] <Riddell> check if qt-at-spi is working | |
| [15:56] <Riddell> and check is the applications actually expose useful stuff on at-spi so apps are usable by blind people etc | |
| [15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: not seeing my ping on MSN? | |
| [15:57] <shadeslayer_> nope | |
| [15:57] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: can you see me online? | |
| [15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: yes and I get your ping. I'm on kopete now. | |
| [15:58] <shadeslayer_> hmm | |
| [15:58] <shadeslayer_> weird | |
| [15:59] <yofel> oh right | |
| [15:59] * yofel updates telepathy | |
| [15:59] <shadeslayer_> brb, gotta call someone | |
| [16:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: deleted my gtalk account to telepathy, pinging on msn | |
| [16:01] <shadeslayer_> ok | |
| [16:01] <Riddell> yofel: are you on msn? | |
| [16:01] <yofel> nope, ICQ and jabber | |
| [16:01] <Riddell> who's on MSN to test if it works with me? | |
| [16:01] <Riddell> oh foo, calligra failed on arm | |
| [16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: am trying to ping you on msn, let me know if it gets through once you've done your call | |
| [16:03] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: nothing :P | |
| [16:03] <shadeslayer_> I can see you online | |
| [16:03] <Riddell> hmm, so it is worse than kopete at msn | |
| [16:03] <shadeslayer_> I keep getting (E-mail Address Not Verified) is Available | |
| [16:04] <shadeslayer_> there we go | |
| [16:05] <Riddell> ok I'm undecided if it is better or worse than kopete | |
| [16:05] <Riddell> !testers | |
| [16:05] <ubottu> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147 | |
| [16:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add em to that? | |
| [16:05] <Riddell> testers needed for kde-telepathy | |
| [16:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: anything needing done before I upload the telepathy packages? | |
| [16:07] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yeah, the meta kde package has to be altered a bit | |
| [16:07] <Riddell> oh one downside is it uses crappy kde notifications for everything instead of message indicator | |
| [16:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: are you able to make that meta-kde-telepathy change today? | |
| [16:09] <shadeslayer_> sure | |
| [16:09] <shadeslayer_> I'll upload it to bzr | |
| [16:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh is everything in bzr packaging wise? | |
| [16:10] <shadeslayer_> nope, I can do that as well | |
| [16:10] <shadeslayer_> I was planning on doing that tonight | |
| [16:10] <shadeslayer_> makes it easier to upload stuff :) | |
| [16:10] <Riddell> no rush, that doesn't block uploading | |
| [16:11] <shadeslayer_> ok | |
| [16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: how's the licencing for the upstream tars? | |
| [16:11] <shadeslayer_> libraries are under LGPL2 | |
| [16:11] <Riddell> dantti: kde bug 277640 shows a problem with printing via cups interface, ubuntu has different permissions from other distros | |
| [16:11] <ubottu> KDE bug 277640 in general "kde-base/system-config-printer-kde : doesn't ask for root pw" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277640 | |
| [16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I mean do all the files have nice licencing headers and COPYING files etc? | |
| [16:12] <shadeslayer_> ah yes | |
| [16:12] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: there's one small licensing issue that's on going with one of the Adium themes though | |
| [16:12] <dantti> Riddell: I know that was why I first started to write printe-manager :P I was using Debian at that time.. | |
| [16:12] <shadeslayer_> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-telepathy/2012-February/005432.html | |
| [16:13] <dantti> Riddell: fedora runs that as root | |
| [16:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixd | |
| [16:13] <dantti> Riddell: but why are you telling me? | |
| [16:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: why? | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: because the previous WI was crap :P | |
| [16:14] <apachelogger> dantti: that entirely reminds me that we wanted to make that cpp, no? like you wanted to make it and I was talking alot ;) | |
| [16:14] <Riddell> dantti: just incase you come across it with printer-manager at some point. I have no motivation to fix it for s-c-p-k because as far as I can tell it doesn't affect kubuntu | |
| [16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh thanks | |
| [16:15] <Riddell> dantti: you don't want to just take over maintainership of s-c-p-k I take it? not a python fan? | |
| [16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: so, how come you did not notice the license problems? | |
| [16:16] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: I came to know about it only yesterday | |
| [16:16] <dantti> Riddell: yes, I don't, but really after p-m is working I believe you will drop your maintainership too... | |
| [16:16] <shadeslayer_> when I was going through the backlog of email | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> but you packaged kt, no? | |
| [16:17] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: Didn't read the mailing list recently due to large amounts of work | |
| [16:17] <apachelogger> dantti: do you have a wiki page for p-m? what needs doing and whatnot | |
| [16:17] <dantti> apachelogger: no, but the list is rather small but not very easy | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: my point is ... since you packaged ktp you should have noticed the problems through copyright creation, no? | |
| [16:18] <Riddell> dantti: yes | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> dantti: it helps a lot to document things :) | |
| [16:18] <dantti> apachelogger: I'm currently refactoring the 2y old code into something really simpler | |
| [16:18] <shadeslayer_> ah | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> mhhh | |
| [16:18] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: true, seems like I missed that script | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> <3 refactoring | |
| [16:18] <apachelogger> what I also heart is releases :) | |
| [16:18] <dantti> apachelogger: it has a README with most missing thing :P | |
| [16:18] <shadeslayer_> sec | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> dantti: dont mind if I move that to a wiki :P | |
| [16:19] <dantti> apachelogger: after I change the core thing (that talks to cups) | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: what script? | |
| [16:19] <apachelogger> dantti: ok | |
| [16:19] <shadeslayer_> s/script/HTML file/ | |
| [16:19] <kubotu> shadeslayer_: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | |
| [16:19] <dantti> apachelogger: no if you have time pls do, I'm with a bunch of stuff aready on my todo :P | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> I don't have time in particular, I can however try to find a minion | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> don't count on it though | |
| [16:20] * apachelogger is rather bad at finding minions these days | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> mostly because I am mean and grumpy and ask why licensing issues were not noticed | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> on that note | |
| [16:20] <dantti> apachelogger: so why did I decided to revive that thing? last week I thought to myself why not to write a plasmoid for the taks, would just be awesome, and after that I thought wow a KIO would even rock | |
| [16:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: so, any guesses on why that happened? | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> dantti: a KIO for printing? :O | |
| [16:21] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: missed it by chance? | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> u wicked :D | |
| [16:21] <dantti> imagine dolphin cups://printers/my_laser/1-job | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you are making this too easy :P | |
| [16:21] <shadeslayer_> :P | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: we also should try to detect license issues | |
| [16:21] <dantti> you delete the file the job is gone... | |
| [16:21] <apachelogger> not entirely sure on the heuristics though | |
| [16:22] <apachelogger> perhaps something like grep over source for $common_license ... see if copyright lists that license | |
| [16:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: I'm like trying to talk to 4-5 people at once, coding and emailing stuff for a exam on the 17th all at the same time | |
| [16:22] <apachelogger> that is a close enough check I suppose | |
| [16:22] <dantti> apachelogger: or even cooler you click on a job and you can see the .ps preview... | |
| [16:22] <apachelogger> dantti: fancy :D | |
| [16:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: kde has something for that no? krazy? checking for correct COPYING etc files might be an idea | |
| [16:23] <dantti> apachelogger: so, with that maybe I get some attantion to the missing thing that is choose best ppd for a new printer | |
| [16:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: but it can't be automated completely | |
| [16:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I am not asking you to justify, I am merely interested in how to try to prevent these things by improving our tools :) | |
| [16:23] <Riddell> dantti: is dolphin the best interface to use for printers? | |
| [16:23] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ah right, well ... copyright, I have *no* idea | |
| [16:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, it also is a case of trying-to-help packager | |
| [16:24] <apachelogger> at best it can help detect slip ups | |
| [16:24] <shadeslayer_> copyright is one of those gray areas in packaging | |
| [16:24] <dantti> Riddell: no, but it is cool enough for geeks | |
| [16:24] <shadeslayer_> it's like the lowest priority for me when getting a release out | |
| [16:24] <apachelogger> at worst it doesn't do nothing for us | |
| [16:24] <dantti> Riddell: it's just an option | |
| [16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: low prio != justification for getting onself into legal trouble though, so we should avoid that very much | |
| [16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: it certainly facilitates ui/core separation, which in this day and age is a good thing IMHO :) | |
| [16:26] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: I agree, but I really don't have the slightest idea as to what can be done to fix it | |
| [16:26] <apachelogger> perhaps aaron wants to have an own printer UI for spark ^^ | |
| [16:26] <shadeslayer_> I have ideas for automating packaging etc | |
| [16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I told jr my idea already :P | |
| [16:26] <shadeslayer_> but they don't include anything for copyright | |
| [16:26] <shadeslayer_> ok | |
| [16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: it's not about packaging as such, but QA of the packaging | |
| [16:27] <shadeslayer_> right | |
| [16:27] <apachelogger> which is quite frankly the more complicated topic | |
| [16:27] <apachelogger> unless you people want to replicate OBS and start writing scripts that introduce dependency tree based building | |
| [16:27] <shadeslayer_> well, we could learn by example? how does opensuse, or any other distro do it? | |
| [16:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: who is George Kiagia dakis? has he been active recently? | |
| [16:27] <apachelogger> FWIW, I would consider this very useful as that way you can indeed have one script to do an entire bundle build ^^ | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yep | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: opensuse is entirely special | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: infact he just fixed some stuff in ktp integration module :D | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: how? | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> OBS makes a lot of things a lot less painful | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> like? | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> dep tracking | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> I'm more interested in copyright stuff | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> plus they have semi-rolling snapshot building via OBS | |
| [16:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: so should I keep him as the maintainer in XSBC-Original-Maintainer for the packages? | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yes | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: they do not care about copyright :P | |
| [16:28] <apachelogger> simple as that | |
| [16:28] <shadeslayer_> sigh | |
| [16:29] <apachelogger> well | |
| [16:29] <apachelogger> not all that much anyway | |
| [16:29] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: he will update the packaging for debian soonish as well btw | |
| [16:29] <apachelogger> (all of rpm for that matter) | |
| [16:30] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: remind me again why debian cares about copyright? | |
| [16:30] <Riddell> ? because they're debian? same reason why FSF cares about copyright | |
| [16:30] <apachelogger> s/copyright/licenses | |
| [16:31] <apachelogger> if we do not take floss licenses seroius, how can we expect anyone else to do so? | |
| [16:31] * shadeslayer_ hates opensuse now | |
| [16:31] <apachelogger> if I were a company I would eat up all the gpl code and put it in my binary product | |
| [16:31] <shadeslayer_> they have it easy I tell you | |
| [16:31] * Riddell still has updates to the KDE licencing policy for fonts and web apps to take care of now that RMS has stopped e-mailing him | |
| [16:31] <shadeslayer_> hah :D | |
| [16:31] <apachelogger> then if someone got a problme with that I'd argue that the source distributors themselfs take their license as a joke | |
| [16:36] <CIA-42> [meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 1 * (8 files in 3 dirs) Initial packaging | |
| [16:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ktp-accounts-kcm_0.3.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes ready to upload, shall I do this? | |
| [16:37] <shadeslayer_> :D | |
| [16:37] <shadeslayer_> Yes! | |
| [16:37] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/ubuntu | |
| [16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: lovely, uploading... | |
| [16:40] <CIA-42> [meta-kde-telepathy-0.3.0] Rohan Garg * 2 * debian/control Fix Maintainer and XSBC-Original-Maintainer fields | |
| [16:40] <shadeslayer_> \o/ | |
| [16:40] <shadeslayer_> oh | |
| [16:40] <Riddell> uh oh | |
| [16:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: best to have started with ktp-common-internals | |
| [16:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: hmm? | |
| [16:40] <Riddell> oh I'm just going alphabetically, they'll get stuck in new anyway | |
| [16:40] <shadeslayer_> ah heh :D | |
| [16:56] <yofel> re, phone call | |
| [17:00] <yofel> shadeslayer_: do I need to actually reboot to get telepathy integration manager working? | |
| [17:00] <shadeslayer_> don't think so | |
| [17:01] <yofel> hm | |
| [17:01] <yofel> systemsettings(2408) KDEDConfig::getServiceStatus: Could not relate module "kded_ktp_integration_module" | |
| [17:01] <shadeslayer_> yofel: it's actually running | |
| [17:01] <yofel> kded(1711)/kdecore (services) KServiceFactory::findServiceByDesktopPath: "kded/ktp_integration_module.desktop" not found | |
| [17:01] <shadeslayer_> yeah | |
| [17:01] <shadeslayer_> yofel: try this in a console : qdbus org.kde.kded | grep ktp | |
| [17:01] <shadeslayer_> I'll add the patch to the integration packaging | |
| [17:01] <yofel> ok, it is running indeed | |
| [17:02] <yofel> and I still have no panel icon | |
| [17:02] <shadeslayer_> wouldn't have the foggiest idea | |
| [17:02] <shadeslayer_> yofel: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/telepathy/ktp-kded-module/repository/revisions/0f4e68c2644995a6ffeacfda458da2417c0929bf/diff/kded_ktp_integration_module.desktop fixes it | |
| [17:03] <yofel> well, rign now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that | |
| [17:03] <yofel> s/rign/right/ | |
| [17:03] <kubotu> yofel meant: "well, right now, you'll get a -1 from me to replace kopete with that" | |
| [17:03] <shadeslayer_> yeah, idk why you have so many issues | |
| [17:03] <shadeslayer_> Riddell had issues with just MSN, and that too got resolved after a couple of minutes | |
| [17:03] <yofel> I'll try it in a VM later when I have time to see if a clean setup help | |
| [17:03] <yofel> s | |
| [17:04] <shadeslayer_> yofel: #kde-telepathy might be able to help with the icon issue | |
| [17:04] <Riddell> I had some sort of panel icon pop up, and it's heavy on the notifications | |
| [17:04] <shadeslayer_> heh yeah :D | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: these packages have .install files even when not needed | |
| [17:18] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: just following upstream debian | |
| [17:18] <Riddell> pass on to upstream debian that having a .install file with just usr/* in it is pointless :) | |
| [17:18] <shadeslayer_> we need them in some cases, but apachelogger did mention this | |
| [17:18] <shadeslayer_> yeah :) | |
| [17:19] <Riddell> upstream debian is George K ? | |
| [17:19] <shadeslayer_> yeah | |
| [17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: but the packages aren't in unstable or experimental yet. does he host them somewhere? | |
| [17:20] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: uh yeah, they're not released yet, they're in a git repo tho | |
| [17:20] <shadeslayer_> sec | |
| [17:20] <Riddell> right | |
| [17:21] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/kde-extras/kde-telepathy/ktp-common-internals.git;a=summary | |
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| [17:23] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: have you uploaded the integration module? | |
| [17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I don't think so | |
| [17:24] <shadeslayer_> okay, I just uploaded a new build with a patch | |
| [17:24] <yuriy> I updated and rebooted and my display settings were restored this time :) | |
| [17:24] <Riddell> yuriy: yay, what did you fix? | |
| [17:25] <shadeslayer_> off to study I am | |
| [17:25] <shadeslayer_> cya | |
| [17:26] <Riddell> good luck | |
| [17:26] <yuriy> Riddell: I didn't do anything, I figured one of you did | |
| [17:26] <yuriy> Riddell: how are you btw? I hope things are getting better since the accident | |
| [17:26] <Riddell> hmm, not I (who probably broke it in the first place) | |
| [17:27] <Riddell> yuriy: feeling better today thanks (now I'm a canoe polo champion). brain appointment tomorrow but I think they'll just say "you're doing fine, carry on" | |
| [17:28] <yuriy> good to hear | |
| [17:29] <Riddell> and I have a sparkly eye patch now, I expect that helps a lot | |
| [17:30] <Riddell> would this make a good hackergotchi for planet? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jriddell/6868957819 | |
| [17:30] <Riddell> yuriy: I have a systray icon from telepathy-kde | |
| [17:31] <Riddell> I haven't found a reason why telepathy-kde wouldn't be a good candidate for this release yet | |
| [17:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd go with a picture from the other side, otherwise the eye patch might be unrecognisable | |
| [17:32] <yuriy> I'm gonna guess that last one is for yofel | |
| [17:32] <yofel> well, now it seems the missing incon in the *panel* is the only issue I have left. So until I figure that out +0 from me | |
| [17:32] <apachelogger> oh, foo, I just used en_gb spelling | |
| [17:33] <apachelogger> next thing you know i'll be using british spelling in code and then I get bug reports | |
| [17:33] <apachelogger> oh noes :( | |
| [17:33] <yofel> ah, Icon works in systray | |
| [17:33] <yofel> s/+0/+1/ | |
| [17:33] <Riddell> yuriy: it says it's from KDE daemon and only appears when a new chat starts | |
| [17:34] <Riddell> so it could be improved | |
| [17:34] <Riddell> but upstream are quite active currently, maybe they can even be convinced to do message indicator support | |
| [17:34] <Riddell> any other kde-telepathy testers got an opinion? | |
| [17:35] <shadeslayer_> facebook just went into a reload loop on rekonq | |
| [17:36] <Riddell> mm, so kde-telepathy wins over rekonq :) | |
| [17:37] <shadeslayer_> heh for now yes :P | |
| [17:37] <Riddell> I had a rekonq crash today, was doing fine until that | |
| [17:38] <yofel> the *only* crashes I had so far were qtwebkit crashes, mostly by opening a site that had flash somewhere on the page | |
| [17:40] <Riddell> doesn't surprise me | |
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| [17:41] <Riddell> qtwebkit 1 is now unmaintained and will go into "compatibility add-on" mode for Qt 5 | |
| [17:41] <Riddell> and webkitkde stuff will need a complete require to use qtwebkit from qt 5 | |
| [17:42] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: did you get a maintainer for pornon in webkit yet? | |
| [17:42] <apachelogger> no | |
| [17:42] <shadeslayer_> hmm ... | |
| [18:02] <tazz> kde-telepathy gtalk / file transfer works well. | |
| [18:03] <Riddell> tazz: can you talk to me? | |
| [18:03] <Riddell> riddell@gmail | |
| [18:03] <tazz> hold on, let me add you. | |
| [18:04] <Riddell> yofel: there's also a plasma widget although it seems to be just for status updates not message indicating | |
| [18:08] <schnelle> guys, telephaty-kde 03 is BETA release: http://martys.typepad.com/blog/2012/01/kde-telepathy-03-ninja-released-first-beta.html | |
| [18:09] <schnelle> i don't think that beta release are good thing for default applications | |
| [18:09] <schnelle> *releases | |
| [18:09] <Riddell> schnelle: no but neither are unmaintained apps so it's a choice between two non-ideal candidates | |
| [18:09] <schnelle> especially for lts | |
| [18:10] <apachelogger> at least with the unmaintained app we know what quality/issues to expect | |
| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | |
| [18:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes | |
| [18:11] <Riddell> which is why we need to find out what quality/issues to expect from kde-telepathy and compare them | |
| [18:11] <apachelogger> that is: they mostly have been there forever so there is no reason why suddenly they would be super important as to justify swapping around bad software :) | |
| [18:11] <Riddell> so far I've found it works better for modern messaging methods like facebook and gmail | |
| [18:12] <Riddell> because kopete doesn't have a way for non-geek users to use facebook and gmail | |
| [18:12] * apachelogger points out that only geeks use a desktop client to use those two services :) | |
| [18:12] <Riddell> aye | |
| [18:12] <apachelogger> if it were highly integrated into the system, which is what I expect from plasma active, it is a different story of couse | |
| [18:13] <apachelogger> anyhow, gotta get out of here or nokia will never let me go ^^ | |
| [18:15] <Riddell> it is integrated into kde in every way, it's not a monolithic app like kopete | |
| [18:15] <yofel> Riddell: did you get any request from me on gmail? | |
| [18:16] <Riddell> yofel: nope | |
| [18:17] <Riddell> but you have appeared in my contacts list | |
| [18:17] <Riddell> pinging you | |
| [18:17] <Riddell> yofel: can you see my messages? | |
| [18:17] <yofel> *headdesk* | |
| [18:17] <yofel> yeah | |
| [18:18] <yofel> but | |
| [18:18] <yofel> Delivery of the message "well, authorization to see the other person's status" failed because it was too long | |
| [18:18] <Riddell> hmm | |
| [18:18] <yofel> got that with shadeslayer_ too. And happens only with gmail | |
| [18:18] <shadeslayer_> 0.o | |
| [18:18] <yofel> jabber works, icq works, facebook works | |
| [18:18] <shadeslayer_> yahoo works | |
| [18:18] <shadeslayer_> logged into yahoo after forever | |
| [18:19] <shadeslayer_> even forgot my password | |
| [18:19] <Riddell> so bugs yes, and it's maintained so they might get fixed before we release. kopete has bugs which won't get fixed | |
| [18:19] <Riddell> I'm tempted to put it onto the kubuntu CDs and we can demote if before release if we find critical bugs that won't get fixed in time | |
| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | |
| [18:20] <tazz> Riddell, did you get a request from me ? | |
| [18:21] <Riddell> tazz: no it doesn't seem to do requests | |
| [18:21] <Riddell> tazz: what's your e-mail? | |
| [18:21] <tazz> gaurav.p.chaturvedi@gmail | |
| [18:21] <Riddell> pinging | |
| [18:21] <Riddell> you did appear in my contacts | |
| [18:22] <Riddell> tazz: so what was your request? | |
| [18:23] <tazz> ah ok.. i can see you here now. | |
| [18:23] <Riddell> anyone tried bonjour? | |
| [18:24] <Riddell> needs a mac to do the real test :) | |
| [18:25] <Riddell> tazz: can you send me a file? | |
| [18:25] <tazz> Riddell, nope | |
| [18:25] <Riddell> tazz: because the protocol doesn't support it? | |
| [18:25] * tazz points to shadeslayer_ he uses a mac. | |
| [18:25] <shadeslayer_> yeah | |
| [18:26] <tazz> Riddell, the button for sharing files is disabled. | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> Never used bonjour though | |
| [18:26] <Riddell> fair enough | |
| [18:26] * tazz was able to send shadeslayer_ a file though. | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> want me to reboot? | |
| [18:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: can you run os X and kubuntu at the same time? | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> nope | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> :P | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> No VM's etc | |
| [18:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: bonjour only works on a local network, that's the point of it | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> ah | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> derp | |
| [18:26] <shadeslayer_> well | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer_> I do have more devices | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer_> I'll look if android has bonjour stuff | |
| [18:27] <Riddell> good idea, dunno what it'll be called though, bonjour is a trademark of apple | |
| [18:27] <Riddell> tazz: by the way I have a very important job for you | |
| [18:27] <rbelem> shadeslayer_, Riddell, it should work if you use bridge | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer_> local XMPP? | |
| [18:27] <tazz> Riddell, yes? | |
| [18:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: something like that | |
| [18:27] <shadeslayer_> or something like that | |
| [18:27] <Riddell> tazz: look out for this film being released and help me download it when it is http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706317/ | |
| [18:28] <Riddell> it's filmed where I go canoeing lots, and you remind me of it every time I see your nick :) | |
| [18:29] <tazz> ah! | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer_> hmm | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer_> what if | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer_> I install Empathy | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer_> and use Bonjour services on that? | |
| [18:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: that might work | |
| [18:29] <Riddell> or it might not | |
| [18:29] <shadeslayer_> heh | |
| [18:30] <Riddell> it'll use the same telepathy daemon if they're both on the same system | |
| [18:30] <Riddell> so still needs two computers | |
| [18:30] <Riddell> or VMs etc | |
| [18:30] <shadeslayer_> any CLI bonjour IM clients? | |
| [18:30] <shadeslayer_> :P | |
| [18:31] <Riddell> I fear not | |
| [18:31] <Riddell> but kopete doesn't have bonjour at all so it can't be worse at it than kopete is | |
| [18:31] <Riddell> main issue is new contact requests I think | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> oh | |
| [18:32] <yofel> shadeslayer_: does the 'Help' button on the screen where you select the protocol when adding a new account work for you? | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> heh | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> nop | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> *nope | |
| [18:32] * yofel files bug | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> seems someone forgot to write documentation :P | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> good grief | |
| [18:32] <Riddell> it's a kcm, that button will be there by default whether or no there's docs | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> krdc is in git | |
| [18:32] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: you can override it iirc | |
| [18:32] <yofel> shouldn't it still open khelpcenter with a missing page? | |
| [18:32] <Riddell> yes | |
| [18:33] <shadeslayer_> I did it for my KCM | |
| [18:33] <Riddell> yofel: maybe | |
| [18:33] * yofel files bug anyway | |
| [18:34] <Riddell> I'm sure we can find more important bugs than that! :) | |
| [18:36] <schnelle> I don't don't know what I did but I just crashed it :) | |
| [18:42] <yofel> well, 2 bugs added so far | |
| [18:45] * yofel added himself to g+ | |
| [18:47] <Riddell> yofel: a social network I'm yet to find any desire or need for | |
| [18:47] <yofel> well, same how I feel about fb - still have an account there | |
| [18:48] <yofel> ah wait - fb does have a use, convenient birday reminder | |
| [18:48] <yofel> *birthday | |
| [18:48] <shadeslayer_> indeed ^ | |
| [18:48] <shadeslayer_> something G+ doesn't do yet ;) | |
| [18:49] <shadeslayer_> claydoh: good point about new releases | |
| [18:50] <schnelle> Riddell, yofel, all: I know how to crash it! :) | |
| [18:50] <claydoh> shadeslayer_: it is probably the bigger concern | |
| [18:50] <yofel> schnelle: backtrace? | |
| [18:51] <claydoh> other than some usability niggles | |
| [18:51] * claydoh hearts it | |
| [18:51] <shadeslayer_> :D | |
| [18:51] <shadeslayer_> claydoh: usability niggles like? | |
| [18:51] <claydoh> apachelogger: as to desktop clients, i disagree | |
| [18:52] <Riddell> claydoh: using beta software is risky but so is using unmaintained software | |
| [18:52] * shadeslayer_ would propose we have a exception for 0.4 | |
| [18:52] <Riddell> worst case telepathy users can use backports, kopete users won't ever get fixes | |
| [18:52] <claydoh> shadeslayer_: if you left-click the presesnce applet it does not bring up the contact list, as most would assume | |
| [18:52] <shadeslayer_> claydoh: actually ... you can configure that | |
| [18:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: we can update until the end of april | |
| [18:52] <shadeslayer_> right click | |
| [18:52] <shadeslayer_> :D | |
| [18:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Making new images isn't very hard if you have someone to tell you the spots you have to touch. | |
| [18:52] <claydoh> apachelogger: all, and I mean all my yahoo friends give me a hard time for using my phone for that | |
| [18:53] * ScottK doesn't recall them all. | |
| [18:53] <Riddell> claydoh: I don't propose adding the presence applet to the panel, it's not very useful yet | |
| [18:53] <schnelle> right click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), and bang! crash! | |
| [18:53] <schnelle> can anyone confirm? | |
| [18:53] <Riddell> ScottK: see backscroll in #u-release, colin doesn't remember them all either :) | |
| [18:54] <claydoh> schnelle: no | |
| [18:54] <shadeslayer_> schnelle: in the contact list? | |
| [18:54] <Riddell> but it should be possible to do a kubuntu-active | |
| [18:54] <schnelle> yes | |
| [18:54] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd say recycle the kubuntu-mobile image for it for now and we can rename it later. | |
| [18:54] <shadeslayer_> oh yess | |
| [18:54] <shadeslayer_> schnelle: reproducable | |
| [18:54] <Riddell> ScottK: yes | |
| [18:55] <BluesKaj> BBL, ..errands | |
| [18:55] <claydoh> ok schnelle i did get it | |
| [18:55] <schnelle> i have presence widget in system tray if that matters... | |
| [18:55] <claydoh> so where does the contact list "go"when you close it? ypu have to manually open it again? | |
| [18:56] <schnelle> for me, the biggest minus for telepathy is wierd interface | |
| [18:56] <schnelle> you cannot close it/open it to systray | |
| [18:57] <schnelle> you have to know that you need "contact list telepathy" if you want to use it as messenger... very wierd for me | |
| [18:57] <claydoh> yes, that is the usability issue | |
| [18:57] <claydoh> but I do like it overall | |
| [18:58] <schnelle> claydoh: i think you have to turn on "presence" widget thing in system tray | |
| [18:58] <claydoh> tho if it is still running in tha vbackground it still works :) | |
| [18:58] <claydoh> schnelle: yes, already there, nad confugured | |
| [18:59] <claydoh> but facebook/gtalk easy to set up is a good plus | |
| [19:00] <ScottK> Does KDE telepathy use akonadi or nepomuk? | |
| [19:01] <Riddell> good question, I'll forward upstream | |
| [19:01] <yofel> it doesn't use nepomuk I think, as I've got that disabled and it still works | |
| [19:05] <schnelle> can anybody tell me how to close it? (don't tell me go to system monitor :P ) | |
| [19:07] <Riddell> ScottK: 19:06 < d_ed> right now, no. | |
| [19:07] <shadeslayer_> schnelle: how to close telepathy kde? | |
| [19:07] <ScottK> thanks | |
| [19:07] <d_ed> shadeslayer_: log out | |
| [19:07] <ScottK> Are there oneiruc packages? | |
| [19:07] <schnelle> shadeslayer_: i don't know :) | |
| [19:07] <shadeslayer_> no no no | |
| [19:08] <shadeslayer_> d_ed: I know that :P | |
| [19:08] <Riddell> ScottK: should be in the same ~kde-telepathy PPA | |
| [19:08] <shadeslayer_> this is all messed up now :P | |
| [19:08] <ScottK> OK. will try in a bit | |
| [19:08] * claydoh almosr never logs out of im | |
| [19:08] <claydoh> hmm | |
| [19:08] <shadeslayer_> schnelle: the idea behind telepathy is to integrate with the entire desktop | |
| [19:08] <shadeslayer_> not just IM | |
| [19:10] <Riddell> telepathy should let you transport arbitrary data over IM, that's why krdc wants to use it | |
| [19:10] <shadeslayer_> yep | |
| [19:15] <schnelle> well, i think that 99.9% of people just want to use msn for example and don't care about integration with the rest of desktop | |
| [19:15] <Riddell> yeah, until they want to share a file | |
| [19:15] <schnelle> for me this alpha/beta telepathy is not ready. i vote for kopete :) | |
| [19:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: kopete did not get any riskier by the appearance of beta software :P | |
| [19:15] <schnelle> hava a nice evening, i have to learn now :) | |
| [19:15] <d_ed> schnelle: have you used it? | |
| [19:15] <schnelle> bye | |
| [19:15] <Riddell> schnelle: what makes it not ready? just the label or something that's actually missing? | |
| [19:15] <apachelogger> if it were a serious concern we'd have looked into empathy or pidgin or something | |
| [19:16] <apachelogger> claydoh: pardon? | |
| [19:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: but this opens up a new option to get rid of unmaintained software which is a risky thing to have on an LTS | |
| [19:16] <apachelogger> claydoh: yahoo is not a new supreme social im thing :P | |
| [19:16] <claydoh> apachelogger: you said only geeks stil use a desktop client | |
| [19:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, lts is not for options :P | |
| [19:17] <apachelogger> so telepathy is gambling, kopete is not, kopete it is :P | |
| [19:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: for services such as google talk and facebook | |
| [19:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: kopete is gambling, it's bitrotting and won't be fixed | |
| [19:17] <apachelogger> claydoh: because they both have excellent online clients and are part of a larger offering | |
| [19:18] <Riddell> kde telepathy will only get better before april and offers great new stuff for users | |
| [19:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: there is nothing to bitrot in a lts release!? | |
| [19:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: stuff will bitrot, but avoiding stuff that has already been bitrotting for years makes a better start | |
| [19:19] <Riddell> d_ed: what do you make of this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005817.html | |
| [19:19] <apachelogger> bitrotting appears when the envrionment changes, and stable release envrionment should not change | |
| [19:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you heard about networks? | |
| [19:20] <d_ed> he's using an outdated version of telepathy-gabble that crashes | |
| [19:20] <Riddell> the environment is MSN etc servers | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger> TCP/IP has not changed in 30000 years :P | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: msn is outsourced to libmsn, which is maintained | |
| [19:20] <d_ed> only bug I know about which causes this is having a huuuuuuge avatar | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger> jabber did not change in 1000 years | |
| [19:20] <apachelogger> so the only thing that could potential break is icq | |
| [19:21] <apachelogger> which is not used anyway :P | |
| [19:21] <apachelogger> plus they don't have much of a history to break stuff except for the occasional protocl version bump for no good reason | |
| [19:21] <Riddell> d_ed: we have telepathy-gabble 0.15.3-1ubuntu1 on precise (development ubuntu), maybe he's on released ubuntu and that's why he has a crash | |
| [19:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: jabber needs change all the time as google and facebook etc use it, it needs decent UI to be usable | |
| [19:22] <apachelogger> bringing me back to my point that no one uses google or facebook in a client other than their native envrionments | |
| [19:23] <d_ed> well that's opinionated. | |
| [19:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: and I suspect it's not true but we have nothing to base that on | |
| [19:24] <Riddell> d_ed: got a reply to this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005819.html | |
| [19:24] <d_ed> we do not currently integrate. | |
| [19:24] <d_ed> (with message indicator) | |
| [19:25] <debfx> the problem with ktp I see is that upstream probably doesn't have a stable branch (?) so we won't be able to easily pull bugfixes | |
| [19:25] <Riddell> d_ed: but with AIM? | |
| [19:26] <Riddell> d_ed: and could you be persuaded to integrate with message integrator? | |
| [19:26] <d_ed> sure. | |
| [19:27] <Riddell> d_ed: sure to which? | |
| [19:28] <d_ed> we could persuaded. | |
| [19:28] <d_ed> we don't have OTR | |
| [19:28] <d_ed> and cannot in the really near future | |
| [19:30] <d_ed> I don't know about AIM. | |
| [19:30] <d_ed> It's in the list... | |
| [19:31] <Riddell> he says OTR is the kopete plugin for AIM, so if telepathy does AIM that should be sorted | |
| [19:31] <Riddell> and "we could persuaded" proves my case that telepathy-kde is awesome upstream :) | |
| [19:32] <d_ed> no, OTR = off the record | |
| [19:32] <d_ed> it's encryption | |
| [19:34] <d_ed> it's up to you, I think precise + 1 should definitely have us. | |
| [19:34] <d_ed> I can try and be 1.0 by then (our otherwise 1.0) | |
| [19:36] <Riddell> yes precise +1 for sure, but I'm still trying to decide about precise | |
| [19:36] <Riddell> for now I don't see a good reason why not to go with kde-telepathy | |
| [19:36] <claydoh> Riddell: Just Do It :D | |
| [19:36] <d_ed> I think you should 0.3 is stable, we're even doign patch releases for it | |
| [19:36] <d_ed> and maintaining it | |
| [19:37] <Riddell> lovely | |
| [19:38] <felimwhiteley> Riddell: gabble ver. 0.13.5-0ubuntu2 | |
| [19:40] <Riddell> felimwhiteley: aye precise is on 0.15.3-1ubuntu1 | |
| [19:41] <felimwhiteley> righto... | |
| [19:41] * felimwhiteley gets coat | |
| [19:42] <schnelle> d_ed: crash: right click on part of the window where you set "away, busy" etc... and then left click anywhere out of window (on desktop or on quassel...), | |
| [19:43] <shadeslayer_> I haz backtrace for that | |
| [19:43] <shadeslayer_> http://paste.kde.org/421790/ | |
| [19:44] <d_ed> that's pretty bad | |
| [19:44] <d_ed> will be fixed in 0.3.1 | |
| [19:44] <Riddell> d_ed: more questions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2012-February/005824.html | |
| [19:44] <d_ed> we have no call. no skype | |
| [19:45] <Riddell> d_ed: no voice at all? | |
| [19:45] <Riddell> but there's buttons for it in the UI | |
| [19:45] <d_ed> not in 0.3 | |
| [19:45] <d_ed> ah, we have it. Not perfect, so not released | |
| [19:45] <Riddell> so Audio Call and Video Call buttons are there for future versions? | |
| [19:45] <shadeslayer_> didn't we have a seprate ktp-call-ui repo? | |
| [19:46] <d_ed> don't ship that | |
| [19:46] <d_ed> but that's why they're there | |
| [19:46] <shadeslayer_> yeah :) | |
| [19:46] <claydoh> we have working voice in kopete? | |
| [19:46] <d_ed> if you install the call ui they work | |
| [19:46] <d_ed> but it's buggy | |
| [19:46] <ScottK> Riddell: kopete doesn't need a plugin for AIM. OTR is an encryption thingy add-on. | |
| [19:46] <claydoh> or rather which protocol has voice support in Kpete | |
| [19:46] <d_ed> we don't need a plugin for AIM. | |
| [19:47] <ScottK> d_ed: So you support AIM, but not with OTR? | |
| [19:47] <d_ed> yeah | |
| [19:47] <d_ed> we support AIM, but no OTR anywhere. | |
| [19:49] <shadeslayer_> for call we'll also need to package telepathy-yell | |
| [19:49] <shadeslayer_> not in the repos so far I think | |
| [19:50] <d_ed> yeah, and yell should not be packaged | |
| [19:50] <shadeslayer_> but then again, that's for future releases | |
| [19:50] <d_ed> yell is "the unstable repo" | |
| [19:50] <shadeslayer_> :D | |
| [19:50] <d_ed> not the "AV" repo. | |
| [19:52] <Riddell> what is AV repo? | |
| [19:52] <Riddell> yofel: is kde bug 254430 the one you were thinking might be fixed? | |
| [19:52] <ubottu> KDE bug 254430 in kcm_kdm "entering kcm_kdm resets font/style/colors of current session" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254430 | |
| [19:53] <d_ed> sorry, there isn't such a thing | |
| [19:53] <d_ed> point is, don't package yell | |
| [19:55] <asdaddd> Hello, I found a nasty bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/931645 | |
| [19:55] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 931645 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "K menu button when pressed is misalligned" [Undecided,New] | |
| [19:57] <endless123> hello everyone | |
| [19:57] <endless123> where can give feed back for telepathy-kde? | |
| [19:57] <Riddell> endless123: here is fine | |
| [19:57] <Riddell> asdaddd: do you have reason to believe it's kubuntu specific? | |
| [19:58] <asdaddd> Riddell: I have no way of knowing... | |
| [19:59] <Riddell> asdaddd: then we usually request you report it upstream in the first insance since we like to think we don't add many bugs ourselves | |
| [20:01] <endless123> ok cool well I am trying it out on Kubuntu 11.10 with backports and the telepathy-kde team ppa enabled, nonetheless I am asking what kind of information you would like to know about it. Because all I can say is that it works fine, except for some error on the gmail account, but that could be me. Other than that I see no problems and that is just me, but it looks real native in Kubuntu like its one of the family. | |
| [20:05] <Riddell> endless123: we're wanting to find bugs and does it lack and useful features compared to kopete | |
| [20:05] <Riddell> if it's got the same features and no worse bugs then we should go for it | |
| [20:05] <ScottK> We've already established it doesn't have the same features. | |
| [20:05] <Riddell> right, I'm just informing endless123 | |
| [20:06] <ScottK> OK. | |
| [20:06] <Riddell> but I'm still minded to put it on the CD before feature freeze keeping in mind we may well go back to kopete | |
| [20:06] <ScottK> I really don't want us to do the Ubuntu desktop thing of switching to something kind of only half working for an LTS (think pulseaudio by default in Hardy). | |
| [20:06] <Riddell> yes I totally agree | |
| [20:07] <ScottK> I don't mind having them both on for now. | |
| [20:07] <ScottK> That may even be the right answer as I'd guess older stuff like AIM might not be a priority for them. | |
| [20:07] <endless123> the only problem on my end is that the google talk keeps giving a error. Internal component error | |
| [20:08] <endless123> upon trying to connect | |
| === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer | |
| [20:08] <endless123> using the default configurations | |
| [20:09] <Riddell> ScottK: that's very un-ubuntu having two apps doing the same thing! | |
| [20:09] <Riddell> endless123: on oneiric? | |
| [20:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Except the point would be they don't do the same things well. | |
| [20:10] <ScottK> Riddell: It's like in the KDE3 days we shipped Kopete and Konversation even though Kopete did IRC. | |
| [20:10] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, which makes it a tricky choice but still one we should make and not shy away from | |
| [20:10] <Riddell> it's like in the old days when I shipped juk and amaraok :) | |
| [20:10] <endless123> Kubuntu Oneiric (backports and telepathy-kde ppa enable) | |
| [20:10] <endless123> Oneiric | |
| === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ | |
| [20:13] <Riddell> endless123: that has an old version of telepathy-gabble which may well affect your gtalk usage | |
| [20:14] <endless123> ok then it would be best to test it using a virtual machine running Kubuntu 12.04 instead? | |
| [20:14] <Riddell> endless123: sure if you can | |
| [20:15] <endless123> OK I will give information later I need to set up the virtual machine until then. Good day everyone | |
| [20:39] <yofel> Riddell: no, haven't seen that one yet | |
| [20:42] <Riddell> rbelem: new plasma-mobile/active uploaded! | |
| [20:43] <rbelem> Riddell, awesome | |
| [20:43] <rbelem> Riddell, thanks | |
| [20:43] <rbelem> Riddell, i will finish the other packages then i will ping you | |
| [20:44] <Riddell> rbelem: what are the other packages? | |
| [20:44] <rbelem> Riddell, the others that are in the kubuntu-active ppa | |
| [20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, share-like-connect is almost ready | |
| [20:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: did you report the telepathy crash? http://paste.kde.org/421832 | |
| [20:45] <shadeslayer> nope | |
| [20:45] <rbelem> Riddell, the other ones needs updating | |
| [20:45] * shadeslayer was pulled into another discussion | |
| [20:46] <Riddell> rbelem: which other ones? | |
| [20:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: doing it now | |
| [20:46] <yofel> d_ed: when I have the contact list open, right click on the status, then left click outside the window I get this: http://paste.kde.org/421832 | |
| [20:47] <d_ed> I know i'm on it. Related - if anyone knows how QEvent::Private can be null let me know! | |
| [20:48] <d_ed> oh, I know how | |
| [20:48] <d_ed> maybe... | |
| [20:48] <rbelem> Riddell, contour, declarative-plasmoids and kde-artwork-active | |
| [20:48] <shadeslayer> d_ed: kde bug 294020 for your viewing pleasure :D | |
| [20:48] <ubottu> KDE bug 294020 in contactlist "Contact list crashes when left clicking outside the window" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294020 | |
| [20:50] <rbelem> Riddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/declarative-plasmoids/active-packaging | |
| [20:51] <rbelem> Riddell, lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed | |
| [20:52] <shadeslayer> Night everyone | |
| [20:52] <rbelem> shadeslayer, gn | |
| === eqs is now known as EgS | |
| [23:28] <rbelem> Riddell, ping | |
| [23:38] <Riddell> hi rbelem | |
| [23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, did you have time to take a look in the share-like-connect pkg? | |
| [23:40] <Riddell> rbelem: oh no, I should have done | |
| [23:40] <Riddell> will do tomorrow | |
| [23:40] <Riddell> where is that from? | |
| [23:40] <rbelem> Riddell, oki :-) so i will improve them all | |
| [23:40] <rbelem> Riddell, kubuntu-active ppa | |