| [00:27] <Person987> Hi all, I'm trying to install the omap4 extras from TI on my Pandaboard. I have reached a screen which wants me to agree to the "TI TSPA Object cod Software License Agreement". It looks like a dialog box made with text graphics and has an <OK> at the bottom. I can't figure out how to click "OK" :-) | |
| [00:29] <mythos> tab and enter? | |
| [00:30] <Person987> Lol that works! | |
| [00:30] <mythos> np | |
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| [03:15] <pnphi> excuse me | |
| [03:18] <pnphi> excuse me | |
| [04:23] <krosswindz> I am trying to build ubuntu oneiric kernel in a armel cross chroot | |
| [04:23] <krosswindz> I am unable to build because of the following error: scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c:2505:0: internal compiler error: in insert_vi_for_tree, at tree-ssa-structalias.c:2740 | |
| [04:24] <krosswindz> I was wondering if anyone has seen this | |
| [04:33] <mythos> hmm... wouldn't it be easier to cross-compile it outside the qemu-environment with CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-? | |
| [04:35] <krosswindz> mythos: I thought using a cross chroot I can leave my host environment unmodified | |
| [04:36] <mythos> qemu does have some issues if a process needs to much memory (in my experience) | |
| [04:36] <krosswindz> hmm | |
| [04:36] <mythos> and you can set up a cross-compile-environment inside the chroot ;-) | |
| [04:37] <krosswindz> ;) | |
| [04:40] <mythos> but in fact, that was my my first shot/try also... it works, but has it's limits | |
| [04:41] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [04:41] <krosswindz> I tried removing -O2 from KBUILD_CFLAGS still no luck :) | |
| [04:41] <krosswindz> s/)/(/ | |
| [04:42] <mythos> yeah, that's the first hit google gives you, if you run in such problems ;-) | |
| [04:42] <mythos> i was lucky and it worked with python2.4... | |
| [04:43] <mythos> so, you should really try a cross-compilation or a native build | |
| [04:44] <krosswindz> I tried a native build | |
| [04:44] <krosswindz> I am seeing segfaults | |
| [04:44] <krosswindz> I already have the 768MB work around | |
| [04:44] <krosswindz> http://pastebin.com/pmSbm4pd | |
| [04:45] <mythos> oh, than your last shot is cross-compilation | |
| [04:46] <mythos> *then | |
| [04:46] <krosswindz> I am trying to avoid it if possible | |
| [04:46] <krosswindz> probably setup a chroot and cross build inside that | |
| [04:47] <krosswindz> wonder how the kernels are built in ports | |
| [04:48] <krosswindz> are they cross built or in cross chroot :p | |
| [04:48] <mythos> if you are idling long enough, one from canonical's arm-team will surely answer your question | |
| [04:49] <mythos> but, i'think, they said that they use panda-boards to compile their packages | |
| [04:50] <krosswindz> that would take forever | |
| [04:50] <krosswindz> compiling on the pandaboard is so slow | |
| [04:50] <mythos> look at the topic... | |
| [04:52] <krosswindz> interesting if they are building everything on pandaboards | |
| [04:58] <mythos> yeah... i have to consider this too... | |
| [04:59] <mythos> if they use native builds for everything, maybe i should that too for my projects | |
| [05:03] <krosswindz> probably some of the devs could answer this | |
| [05:09] <mythos> krosswindz, maybe out of context, but that's what i found in the channel history http://pastebin.com/DEcZvhj9 | |
| [05:11] <krosswindz> mythos: guess they are using pandaboards as buildd | |
| [05:12] <mythos> i guess so too | |
| [05:14] <krosswindz> guess I might switch precise and see if that solves my build issues | |
| [05:14] <mythos> go for it =) | |
| [05:20] <krosswindz> will try armhf if it doesnt work I can always revert back to oneiric | |
| [05:20] <krosswindz> should get a couple of more sd cards :p | |
| [05:21] <mythos> if possible, i would use a nfs configuration | |
| [05:22] <mythos> my board is able to load linux via tftp and rootfs via nfs | |
| [05:22] <mythos> but it is a uncommon ti board. i don't have a panda or anything else | |
| [05:23] <mythos> maybe all u-boots can do this... | |
| [05:26] <krosswindz> uboots can do it | |
| [05:26] <krosswindz> the x-loader has an option on the pandaboard to boot using tftp | |
| [05:26] <krosswindz> I havent tried it though | |
| [05:27] <mythos> it is a really neat feature =) | |
| [05:41] <scientes_> where can i get debian-installer images for qemu? | |
| [05:46] <mythos> scientes_, i think, you are looking for this http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto | |
| [05:47] <scientes_> no, found what i needed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core | |
| [05:47] <scientes_> (if there are arm versions...) | |
| [05:47] <scientes_> i am trying to install ubuntu arm in qemu | |
| [05:47] <scientes_> to test some software that fails in debian arm and x86_64, but works in ubuntu x86_64 | |
| [05:48] <scientes_> *debian armel, when compiled from source | |
| [05:48] <mythos> "Installing armel to qemu with d-i" <-- but if you found what you are looking for, that's also awesome =) | |
| [05:48] <scientes_> hmmmm, actually, emulated compiling is probably too slow | |
| [05:49] <scientes_> mythos, yes, but where is the d-i for UBUNTU | |
| [05:49] <scientes_> i.e. alternate installer in ubuntu-land | |
| [05:49] <scientes_> I guess i will need to use a chroot or something on my arm device | |
| [05:49] <mythos> that was not what you asked for ;-) | |
| [05:49] <scientes_> well, this is #ubuntu-arm | |
| [05:49] <infinity> mythos: Sure it is. | |
| [05:49] <scientes_> i thought it was implied | |
| [05:50] <infinity> mythos: debian-installer implies the software, not the distro. | |
| [05:50] <scientes_> infinity, precisely | |
| [05:50] <infinity> scientes_: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current/images/linaro-vexpress/netboot/ | |
| [05:50] <mythos> infinity, hmm... i'm not sure, if i understood that? so debian-installer ist capable to install ubuntu? | |
| [05:51] <infinity> scientes_: Unfortunately, we don't provide vexpress netboot images for armhf yet. I should put that on my TODO before I forget again. | |
| [05:51] <infinity> mythos: debian-installer is the underlying technology for all our installers. | |
| [05:51] <scientes_> infinity, which one would be faster for emulation? | |
| [05:51] <scientes_> infinity, except liveCD IIRC | |
| [05:52] <infinity> scientes_: ubiquity uses d-i components to do all the "real work". | |
| [05:52] <infinity> scientes_: (ubiquity being the GUI livecd installer) | |
| [05:52] <scientes_> infinity, ahh, now i know | |
| [05:52] <scientes_> i though it just copied the image | |
| [05:52] <infinity> Copying is the easy part. ;) | |
| [05:52] <infinity> (ish) | |
| [05:52] <scientes_> the squashfs image, with cp -a or something | |
| [05:52] <infinity> It copies the squashfs, and then runs all the d-i bits inside the target. | |
| [05:52] <scientes_> instead of installing every deb seperately | |
| [05:53] <mythos> infinity, i don't want to argue against it. so i apologize | |
| [05:53] <scientes_> fedora is differn't, cause their livecd doesn't support anything but ext4 | |
| [05:53] <infinity> mythos: I suppose you could argue if you wanted. ;) | |
| [05:53] <scientes_> as a limitation of the way they are doing it IIRC | |
| [05:53] <mythos> infinity, sure... ;-) | |
| [05:54] <scientes_> but on a differn't note: is compiling in qemu going to be horribly slow? | |
| [05:54] <infinity> scientes_: Yes. | |
| [05:54] <scientes_> and will i have better luck with a chroot on a real, but slow, arm device | |
| [05:54] <infinity> scientes_: On the fastest hardware we can get our hands on, qemu barely beats out a pandaboard. | |
| [05:55] <infinity> scientes_: And you probably don't have that hardware. | |
| [05:55] <scientes_> I have a sheevaplug | |
| [05:55] <scientes_> but it has debian wheezy on it | |
| [05:55] <infinity> Oh, well, the sheeva's not exactly speedy either. | |
| [05:56] <krosswindz> infinity: do you have any suggestion for size of the sd card for building things natively on the pandaboard | |
| [05:56] <scientes_> pandaboard at least supports VFP | |
| [05:56] <infinity> Wait, you can't even run Ubuntu on a sheeva, can you? | |
| [05:56] <infinity> Isn't in ARMv5? | |
| [05:56] <scientes_> infinity, so which should I try, chroot on sheeva, or qemu? | |
| [05:56] <scientes_> oh, your right | |
| [05:56] <infinity> s/in/it/ | |
| [05:56] <scientes_> only old version | |
| [05:57] <scientes_> it actually ships with some version of ubuntu | |
| [05:57] <scientes_> (don't remember cause i replaced it very quickly with debian) | |
| [05:57] <infinity> krosswindz: I recommend a tiny SD card, a netboot image, and installing to a nice external USB drive. | |
| [05:57] <infinity> krosswindz: Honestly, while running from SD makes for cute demos, it's slow, and it kills SD cards. | |
| [05:57] <krosswindz> infinity: true | |
| [05:57] <scientes_> infinity, ahhh, its bad to run embedded from SD? | |
| [05:58] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, we used to support v5 for a while, then v6 for a while, but we've been v7-only for ages. | |
| [05:58] <scientes_> with or without VFP? | |
| [05:58] <infinity> v7 implies vfp. | |
| [05:58] <scientes_> so basically armhg | |
| [05:58] <scientes_> *armhf | |
| [05:58] <krosswindz> infinity: if I install on to the usb drive I should be able to use the normal USB port right and not the OTG | |
| [05:59] <infinity> Out armel port uses softfp calling conventions (but still uses the vfp unit), and armhf uses hardfp calling conventions. | |
| [05:59] <infinity> krosswindz: Yeah, either of the two normal USB ports. | |
| [05:59] <scientes_> why? if armv7 implies VFP? | |
| [05:59] <scientes_> you would get 40% better performance on some hardware (armhf info page) | |
| [06:00] <infinity> scientes_: Hence the armhf port. | |
| [06:00] <krosswindz> nice I think thats what I will do then | |
| [06:00] <krosswindz> I should have an old 80G sata drive lying around some where | |
| [06:00] <scientes_> seems like you should drop the soft float conventions all together | |
| [06:00] <infinity> scientes_: armel uses the softfp ABI because that's just the way things were done for compatibility (and sanity) reasons. Porting everything to the hardfp ABI was some effort. | |
| [06:01] <infinity> scientes_: The armel port will likely become unsupported this cycle. | |
| [06:01] <scientes_> gotcha | |
| [06:01] <infinity> scientes_: We're trying to move the world to armhf. I've put a lot of work into this. :P | |
| [06:02] <infinity> krosswindz: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ | |
| [06:02] <infinity> krosswindz: If you just write out one of those images (boot.img-serial or boot.img-fb) to an SD and boot, you should be able to install to an external drive and save a lot of pain. | |
| [06:02] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks for the link | |
| [06:02] <scientes_> eek, it seems like testing this software will be a PITA | |
| [06:03] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks | |
| [06:03] <krosswindz> once I am done installing I dont need the sd card to boot or would I need it still | |
| [06:03] <scientes_> maybe i can use the packages i built in debian | |
| [06:03] <infinity> krosswindz: It'll still need an SD card around to flash a bootloader to, so you don't get to go completely SD free (the Panda has no firmware), but reading a bootloader on boot is a heck of a lot better than running your whole OS from the card) | |
| [06:03] <krosswindz> agreed | |
| [06:03] <krosswindz> I can build natively on the pandaboard | |
| [06:04] <scientes_> whats the package for qemu-arm? | |
| [06:04] <scientes_> krosswindz, thx, its opencpn.org | |
| [06:04] <infinity> scientes_: qemu | |
| [06:04] <scientes_> infinity, that just installs qemu-kvm now | |
| [06:04] <mythos> apt-file search qemu-arm | |
| [06:04] <infinity> scientes_: Or, if you want to do binfmt-misc emulation (which is much less annoying), qemu-user-static | |
| [06:05] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, qemu-kvm should include qemu-system-arm, does it not? | |
| [06:05] <scientes_> don't know i was trying to use virt-manager | |
| [06:05] <infinity> Oh, those may have been split off into qemu-system | |
| [06:06] <infinity> Anyhow, qemu system emulation is almost never what you want, unless you're debugging bootloaders. | |
| [06:06] <infinity> qemu binfmt emulation is much less annoying. | |
| [06:08] <krosswindz> infinity: are there md5sums for the files around some where | |
| [06:09] <infinity> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/MD5SUMS | |
| [06:09] <krosswindz> thans | |
| [06:09] <krosswindz> thanks* | |
| [06:09] <scientes_> poof!, my computer randomly rebooted | |
| [06:09] <infinity> scientes_: Welcome back. | |
| [06:09] <scientes_> wierd | |
| [06:09] <infinity> scientes_: So, as I was saying. ;) | |
| [06:09] <scientes_> anyways, no infinity qemu-kvm only has qemu-system-i386 and -x86-64 | |
| [06:09] <mythos> <mythos> apt-file search qemu-arm | |
| [06:10] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, the others were broken out into qemu-system | |
| [06:10] <scientes_> exactly | |
| [06:10] <scientes_> installing now.... | |
| [06:10] <infinity> scientes_: However, you almost certainly don't want an actual qemu-system, unless you're debugging bootloaders. | |
| [06:10] <scientes_> oh ok | |
| [06:10] <scientes_> oh yes, there is multiarch !!!!! :):):) | |
| [06:10] <infinity> scientes_: If you install qemu-user-static, then you can work with ARM binaries as if they were native. | |
| [06:11] <scientes_> I don't see -static, just qemu-user | |
| [06:11] <scientes_> but that is OK | |
| [06:11] <mythos> search for qemu-arm-static | |
| [06:12] <scientes_> krosswindz, should i just use what i built on my sheevaplug in debian wheezy, or do you want to build opencpn ( opencpn.org ) ? | |
| [06:12] <krosswindz> scientes_: I am sorry I guess you there was some miscommunication | |
| [06:12] <infinity> scientes_: qemu-user-static definitely exists (and is the required one in this case), I just installed it. | |
| [06:13] <scientes_> ahh it does, what is the difference? | |
| [06:13] <scientes_> oh, i read the desc, nvm | |
| [06:14] <scientes_> wait, no I don't know why | |
| [06:14] <scientes_> dpkg --add-architecture armel ? now | |
| [06:14] <infinity> scientes_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/829726/ <-- witness the magic. | |
| [06:15] <infinity> scientes_: You could do multiarch too, but that gets messy. Do you really do your builds in your base system, not in chroots? | |
| [06:16] <scientes_> oh gotcha, that looks much cleaner | |
| [06:18] <scientes_> krosswindz, oh, gotcha | |
| [06:18] <scientes_> OK, all this talk about SD cards----so if I launch an embedded device, it is smart to not use a SD root? | |
| [06:19] <infinity> scientes_: If you're building an actual embedded device, hopefully that assumes you're taking great pains to make sure you're not doing things like logging to filesystems, etc. | |
| [06:20] <infinity> scientes_: If you never write to the card except to update software, SD's a fine choice. | |
| [06:20] <scientes_> ok, so all the problems with SD are going to be the same with NAND flash? | |
| [06:20] <infinity> scientes_: If you run a general purpose OS on it, and call it "embedded" without making sure you neuter that sort of behaviour, you're going to kill a lot of flash. | |
| [06:20] <scientes_> not the FTL? | |
| [06:20] <scientes_> *do any come from the FTL? | |
| [06:21] <infinity> scientes_: Hrm? | |
| [06:21] <infinity> I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. | |
| [06:21] <scientes_> flash translation layer---why SD is a block device, not a mtd | |
| [06:21] <infinity> Yes... But I'm not sure what you're asking about FTLs. | |
| [06:21] <scientes_> well is that the source of SD problems? | |
| [06:22] <scientes_> or are their problems shared with raw NAND flash? | |
| [06:22] <infinity> No, the source of problems is rewriting flash, full stop. | |
| [06:22] <scientes_> ok, that is what i was asking | |
| [06:22] <infinity> And raw flash is usually worse than something with a decent FTL implementation, cause at least decent FTLs (like those found on SSD disks) do proper wear-leveling. | |
| [06:22] <infinity> But, at the end of the day, excessive writes kill flash, even SSD disks. | |
| [06:22] <scientes_> infinity, ubifs does wear-leveling just great | |
| [06:23] <infinity> SD cards tend to die much faster than SSDs, though. :P | |
| [06:23] <infinity> (I've killed a lot of SD cards working on ARM porting...) | |
| [06:23] <scientes_> ahh, very heavy usage | |
| [06:23] <scientes_> would you recommend logging to tmpfs? | |
| [06:23] <infinity> Logging to a tmpfs is reasonable, sure. Means you don't get permanence, but it's enough for spot disagnostics. | |
| [06:23] <scientes_> is it just the number of writes, or maybe to fast, etc? | |
| [06:24] <infinity> Most embedded projects really don't need logs, though. | |
| [06:24] <infinity> Or, really shouldn't? | |
| [06:24] <mythos> i think, a minimal logging into ram is fine. for the rest a log-server should be used | |
| [06:24] <infinity> Cause once you sell it to a customer, do you really expect them to be mailing you lofs? ;) | |
| [06:24] <infinity> logs* | |
| [06:24] <mythos> yes i do | |
| [06:25] <infinity> scientes_: Speed doesn't really matter, it's just the number of writes, period. And yeah, logs are the worst culprit right after atime (but sane people always disable atime on flash) | |
| [06:26] <infinity> mythos: If every set top box, phone, and smart TV in my parents' house expected them to be "informed and educated" users who filed bug reports with logs, I suspect they'd just stop buying these computers disguised as appliances. | |
| [06:26] <scientes_> infinity, what about relatime? | |
| [06:26] <scientes_> (mainly for completeness) | |
| [06:26] <mythos> infinity, i have to care about thinclients, so... ;-) | |
| [06:27] <infinity> scientes_: I've never seen the point in relatime. | |
| [06:28] <infinity> scientes_: But it would fall in betweenish, I suppose. Much less likely to update, but it's still unnecessary writes for a flash device. | |
| [06:28] <scientes_> yeah, go with atime | |
| [06:28] <scientes_> i mean noatime | |
| [06:29] <scientes_> seems like btrfs might be smarter for a flash device---ugh | |
| [06:29] <scientes_> i still hate that ugly FTL | |
| [06:29] <scientes_> and would rather just put ubifs on it | |
| [06:29] <infinity> mythos: Well, I tend to view thinclients more like "really crappy computers" than appliances, in the enviroments where most people use them. That said, it would be much nicer if they were appliances. | |
| [06:30] <mythos> i don't like them either | |
| [06:30] <mythos> but what shall i say... somehow i have to earn money | |
| [06:30] <infinity> And back in the days when you could buy X terminals off the shelf from IBM and Wyse, and thin clients were much less fat than they are today, they were very appliancy. | |
| [06:31] <mythos> ;___; i'm sorry | |
| [06:33] <infinity> Oddly enough, I think we've almost come full circle. The full-features "appliance" IBM thin clients I used to work with that did seamless desktop convergence between X11 and WinNT/Metaframe were, if I recall, running StrongARM CPUs. | |
| [06:33] <infinity> Really, really slow ones. :P | |
| [06:33] <scientes_> infinity, do you use udev in your chroots, or bind mount /dev ? | |
| [06:33] <infinity> scientes_: Neither, I just mount devpts. But if you actually need all the nodes, bindmounting /dev is the sane option, yes. | |
| === LetoTheII is now known as LetoThe2nd | |
| [06:36] <infinity> Oh, no. Wikipedia has educated me. Those were PPC (first gen) and Pentium (second gen). | |
| [06:36] <scientes_> how do i see what breaks a package without installing aptitude? | |
| [06:36] <scientes_> nvm, it just printed it out | |
| [06:39] <mythos> infinity, as far as i know is arm rather new for thinclients.... i know a hp armv3-device, but that's it | |
| [06:40] <scientes_> mythos, even if it is new, it seems like it would be the way to go in the long run, considering the power consumption | |
| [06:40] <infinity> mythos: Yeah, I'm trying to think of why I got confused about that one. Well, other than the part where it was 15 years ago and I'm old. :P | |
| [06:40] <mythos> *g | |
| [06:41] <mythos> scientes_, yes, you are right | |
| [06:41] <mythos> it is the new hot stuff for citrix and vmware... (lot of work for me... that's why i'm here) | |
| [06:43] <scientes_> infinity, oh your right, multiarch wouldn't work because it doesn't include binaries | |
| [06:44] <scientes_> *executables | |
| [06:44] <infinity> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-07L8402-Network-Station-1000-/320556566601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa2a90849 | |
| [06:44] <infinity> ^-- Memories. | |
| [06:44] <infinity> And 95 bucks for nostalgia is tempting. | |
| [06:45] <scientes_> is there a multiarch way to have the binaries put in a special place, and then you just set your $PATH approiately | |
| [06:45] <scientes_> and have binfmtmisc with qemu do the rest?\ | |
| [06:45] <infinity> scientes_: No. | |
| [06:45] <infinity> scientes_: Multiarch pretty much assumes that you don't want the same binary twice. (which is a fair assumption, generally) | |
| [06:45] <mythos> infinity, i have to support the emulator for this device ;-) | |
| [06:45] <scientes_> that way you could still use all your installed utilies in the not-chroot, like git, etc | |
| [06:45] <infinity> scientes_: Of course, for development, this isn't a big deal, as you usually only need the foreign-arch libraries, not binaries. | |
| [06:46] <infinity> scientes_: Still, chroots are much cleaner. | |
| [06:46] <scientes_> instead of having to have two terminals open for the chroot :) | |
| [06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: is there a US mirror for ports | |
| [06:46] <scientes_> yes, two terminals at once isn't that big of a deal | |
| [06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: netboot gives the otion of only UK | |
| [06:46] <infinity> krosswindz: There may be one or two, but I don't know of any. | |
| [06:46] <krosswindz> option* | |
| [06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks | |
| [06:46] <infinity> krosswindz: The only official ports mirror is ports.ubuntu.com | |
| [06:47] <krosswindz> infinity: ok | |
| [06:47] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, I guess I don't notice how or why it bugs people, because I've always done all my development in chroots, long before I could also do fancy emulated chroots. :) | |
| [06:48] <infinity> scientes_: My laptop has pretty much nothing installed in the base system, and each bit of software I work on gets a new clean chroot. | |
| [06:48] <infinity> (waste of space, maybe, but it helps maintain sanity) | |
| [06:48] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829746/ | |
| [06:49] <infinity> scientes_: sed -i -e 's/main/main universe restricted multiverse/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update | |
| [06:49] <scientes_> hmm, why don't you use vserver with vhashify then? | |
| [06:49] <scientes_> so that all the duplicate files get hardlinked together in a sane way | |
| [06:49] <scientes_> which reduces both disk AND ram consumption | |
| [06:50] <scientes_> along with security which doesn't exist with chroots | |
| [06:50] <infinity> Security's a non-issue. | |
| [06:50] <infinity> For my use-case. | |
| [06:50] <scientes_> but what about vhashify? | |
| [06:50] <infinity> This is just about not having junk in my base system, and not polluting package builds. | |
| [06:51] <infinity> The de-duping might be neat, but *shrug*... Don't care? ;) | |
| [06:51] <infinity> I build and delete chroots several times a day, it's not like they live long. | |
| [06:51] <scientes_> are you at least running the ram consolidation thingy designed primarily for KVM? | |
| [06:51] <infinity> My workflow comes from more than a decade of buildd maintenance, it's not "sane" to most people, but it works for me. | |
| [06:51] <scientes_> it just scans ram and loops for things that are the same | |
| [06:52] <mythos> sooo... chroot is a "good enough"-solution :o | |
| [06:52] <infinity> RAM consolodation doesn't matter, I'm not running long-running processes in these chroots. | |
| [06:52] <infinity> Build, compile, wipe. | |
| [06:52] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829746/ <----help | |
| [06:52] <infinity> scientes_: sed -i -e 's/main/main universe multiverse/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update | |
| [06:53] <infinity> ^-- I did. | |
| [06:53] <scientes_> infinity, ahh, yes universe needs to be on, thx | |
| [06:53] <scientes_> no multiverse thxuverymuch however | |
| [06:53] <infinity> ;) | |
| [06:54] <infinity> You shouldn't need restricted either, but you have it on. | |
| [06:54] <infinity> (If you're trying to avoid non-free software sneaking up and biting you in your sleep) | |
| [06:54] <scientes_> that was just the default for the ubuntu core tar.gz | |
| [06:55] <infinity> Yeah. I should revisit that. | |
| [06:55] <infinity> I picked "main restricted" pretty arbitrarily when I first put core together, just based on the fact that it used to be our default in, like, dapper? | |
| [06:56] <scientes_> what is the default now? | |
| [06:56] <infinity> I sometimes live in the past. | |
| [06:56] <infinity> The default now is, I believe, all 4 components enabled after install. But I'm not positive of that either, I'd have to install a fresh Ubuntu. :P | |
| [06:56] <scientes_> definitely not | |
| [06:57] <scientes_> it just feels like that the way software-center works by default | |
| [06:57] <infinity> Yeah, maybe. | |
| [06:57] <infinity> Perhaps the default is still "main restricted", or possibly just "main". | |
| [06:57] <infinity> I'm too lazy to dig through code right now. | |
| [06:57] <infinity> Plus, "default" depends on how you install. Keeping those things in sync is annoying. | |
| [06:58] <scientes_> infinity, I think you should just enable main | |
| [06:58] <scientes_> oh wait, its not just armel | |
| [06:58] <infinity> It's all arches. | |
| [06:58] <scientes_> i was thinking that the hardware that gets restricted put on default is not present with arm | |
| [06:59] <infinity> But, that said, people shouldn't need fancy binary opengl drivers in a minimal chroot. | |
| [06:59] <infinity> And if they do, they can edit sources.list. :P | |
| [06:59] <scientes_> ^^ precisely | |
| [06:59] <scientes_> so just put it main, and be done with it | |
| [06:59] <infinity> Well, I was tossing around the idea of going the other way too. | |
| [06:59] <infinity> Since people constantly say "I tried to install $foo and it's not found, is ubuntu-core crap somehow?" | |
| [07:00] <infinity> Or "is this built on ARM?!" | |
| [07:00] <scientes_> i havn't looked for a while but it seemed like ubuntu was shipping some pretty schetchy stuff in multiverse | |
| [07:00] <infinity> When the answer is, invariably, "enable universe". | |
| [07:00] <scientes_> compared to debian's non-free being pretty reasonable when i looked at it | |
| [07:00] <infinity> scientes_: Well, multiverse is just the non-free component of universe. So, sure. I guess that's sketchy on top of sketchy. :) | |
| [07:00] <infinity> But it's not like enabling it forces people to install things from it. | |
| [07:00] <scientes_> infinity, but it was bigger than debian's non-free | |
| [07:01] <krosswindz> infinity: I am installing precise on an usb hard drive, I dont need a separate boot partition on it since that will come from the SD card right? | |
| [07:01] <infinity> And we don't allow dependencies from main to universe or from universe to multiverse, so... | |
| [07:01] <infinity> krosswindz: Right. | |
| [07:01] <scientes_> debian was like: nasa worldwind (open source, but bad license), xtides-data-nonfree (asshole govmnts), and hardware support | |
| [07:01] <infinity> scientes_: Debian has, historically, been kinder to their mirrors with regard to non-free. | |
| [07:02] <infinity> scientes_: If something was widely non-redistributable in, say, several EU countries, or the US, or whatever, they wouldn't carry it. | |
| [07:02] <infinity> scientes_: multiverse, we just say "look, it's hosted in the UK, mirrors don't have to mirror it, if they do, we assume they've read the licenses, HTH, HAND". | |
| [07:02] <scientes_> it drives me nuts how governments, that need good map data in order to do taxes, etc, double charge their citizens | |
| [07:03] <scientes_> the US is like the only sane country in this regard | |
| [07:03] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, well. The US and software sanity is a sore topic for Debian too. It took us FOREVER to get rid of the stupid "non-US" split for crypto. :( | |
| [07:04] <scientes_> the NSA managed to hold back encryption for 10 years with that stupid shit | |
| [07:04] <StevenK> And even then it involved something like 850 pages being sent to the US government. | |
| [07:04] <StevenK> By hand. | |
| [07:04] <scientes_> also: software patents | |
| [07:04] <infinity> StevenK: Yeah, it was tons of special. | |
| [07:05] <infinity> StevenK: I haven't kept up, do you know if Debian's finally managed to obtain a blanket waiver, or if ftpmaster is still automating an e-mail to the US govt for every NEW package? | |
| [07:05] <StevenK> I think its the latter. | |
| [07:05] <infinity> Ridiculous. ;) | |
| [07:08] <scientes_> infinity, what percentage of packages correctly cross-compile? | |
| [07:09] <infinity> scientes_: Like xdeb, cross-build the package style? Probably a much lower number than you'd like. | |
| [07:09] <infinity> scientes_: Building natively (or "natively" under emulation) is still the way to go. | |
| [07:09] <scientes_> yeah, i just assumed that I should default to natively | |
| [07:10] <infinity> We've been working on improving the numbers for cross support for specific dependency chains. | |
| [07:10] <scientes_> sure the kernel can do it, but not much else | |
| [07:10] <scientes_> are there any list of what chains work? | |
| [07:10] <infinity> But, personally, I think it's wasted effort. ARM hardware is getting faster every day and, while I appreciate that people are spoiled and all, if I can build the entire armhf archive in ~15 days, it's not "slow". | |
| [07:11] <scientes_> it supposedly fixes alot of bugs to get cross-compile working | |
| [07:11] <infinity> scientes_: Not sure how far that's gone. It was mostly being done by Linaro folks, IIRC. I'll be at Linaro Connect in, like, 2 days though, and I think we have a catch-up session on it. :P | |
| [07:11] <infinity> scientes_: Err, what? How would cross-compiling fix bugs? | |
| [07:11] <infinity> scientes_: That sounds a whole like like misinformation. | |
| [07:11] <infinity> s/a whole/a whole lot/ | |
| [07:11] <scientes_> probably is, only read it once | |
| [07:12] <scientes_> some random comment on lwn or something | |
| [07:12] <infinity> At best, cross-compiling will provide you with binary-identical output, at worst, the cross version will be horribly broken compared to the native. | |
| [07:12] <infinity> I can think of any scenario where it would be better. :) | |
| [07:12] <scientes_> I built the linux kernel with distcc on x86_64 and arm at the same time, and it booted! | |
| [07:12] <infinity> s/can/can't/ | |
| [07:13] <infinity> In general, cross should get you binary-identical output these days. GCC and binutils are much saner than they used to be. | |
| [07:13] <infinity> But. | |
| [07:13] <infinity> There's always a but. | |
| [07:13] <infinity> And the buts never favour the cross environment. | |
| [07:13] <krosswindz> infinity: what about cross chroot using qemu | |
| [07:13] <infinity> krosswindz: That's essentially "native", for the purpose of this discussion. | |
| [07:13] <scientes_> yes | |
| [07:13] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [07:14] <scientes_> cross-compiling is much faster | |
| [07:14] <scientes_> emulation is not | |
| [07:14] <scientes_> but I was definitely impressed with i could use distcc with arm and x86_64 cross at the same time, and boot what came out | |
| [07:15] <scientes_> infinity, oh geeze, you should have put no-install-recommend in the core..... | |
| [07:16] <scientes_> oh wait, i guess it did that | |
| [07:16] <scientes_> just alot of stuff | |
| [07:19] <infinity> scientes_: You can specify it on the command line. | |
| [07:20] <scientes_> i know that, i thought it was installing a bunch of worthless stuff, but i scrolled up, and it listed the recommends sep, which IIRC means it didn't install them | |
| [07:20] <infinity> I type "apt-get --no-install-recommends --purge install $foo" so often that it's muscle memory. :P | |
| [07:20] <infinity> scientes_: No, it lists them even if they're also in the install list. If you didn't specify it, you got recommends. It's our default. | |
| [07:21] <scientes_> ahh ok, tons of worthless stuff | |
| [07:21] <scientes_> as i suspenected | |
| [07:21] <scientes_> it was alrady installing when i was like O shi... i forgot | |
| [07:21] <infinity> Heh. Oh well, not world-ending. :P | |
| [07:22] <infinity> The only place where we actually have no-install-recommends in the apt config is our buildd chroots. | |
| [07:22] <infinity> For obvious reasons. | |
| [07:22] <scientes_> i have added it to apt.conf.d so many times..... | |
| [07:22] <scientes_> I also forgot to use my apt-cacher-ng..... | |
| [07:22] <krosswindz> infinity: I was trying to install using net boot to USB drive | |
| [07:23] <krosswindz> kernel fails to install | |
| [07:23] <krosswindz> any way to check the log over serial console? | |
| [07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: Weird. It definitely shouldn't. | |
| [07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: It logs to syslog. | |
| [07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: But I'm about to head out. You might try poking GrueMaster tomorrow about it, he netinstalls all day, every day. | |
| [07:24] <krosswindz> lol k | |
| [07:24] <krosswindz> if I want to check syslog | |
| [07:24] <krosswindz> is there any way over serial console | |
| [07:24] <krosswindz> I would have to quit installer right? | |
| [07:25] <infinity> If you're still in d-i, you can hit any "go back" button, and then scroll down to "start a terminal" | |
| [07:25] <infinity> Or "spawn a shell" or something like that. I forget the exact wording. | |
| [07:25] <scientes_> or just switch to another virtual console with ctrl-shift...(if not on serial console) | |
| [07:25] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [07:26] <krosswindz> let me check that | |
| [07:26] <infinity> Anyhow. I'm heading out. Good luck. | |
| [07:26] <scientes_> ctrl-shift-f1, f2 | |
| [07:26] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, he's on serial. | |
| [07:26] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks for the help | |
| [07:27] <infinity> krosswindz: It could just be something as simple as the d-i images being out of sync with the archive or something. We're all back to work on Monday, if you find actual bugs we should fix. :P | |
| [07:27] <krosswindz> scientes_: I am on serial console so no virtual terminals | |
| [07:27] <infinity> krosswindz: But I suspect GrueMaster can help you tomorrow. He's often around and bored. | |
| [07:27] <krosswindz> infinity: I will pick on him tomorrow if he is around when I am on | |
| [07:27] <scientes_> krosswindz, you can see i realized that above | |
| [07:28] <krosswindz> scientes_: sorry tryin to multi task between my laptop and the serial console :p | |
| [07:29] <scientes_> krosswindz, what device is this? | |
| [07:29] <krosswindz> scientes_: pandaboard | |
| [07:30] <krosswindz> scientes_: got it like 2 weeks back | |
| [07:30] <krosswindz> scientes_: had to wait till this week because my serial cable wasnt working | |
| [07:30] <scientes_> exciting! | |
| === Jack87|Away is now known as Jack87 | |
| [07:31] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah | |
| [07:32] <scientes_> I'm looking at getting a cubox/d2plug---just ordered a mino 720 USB-*only* touchscreen for my sheevaplug | |
| [07:32] <krosswindz> nice | |
| [07:34] <scientes_> you should check out the rasperry pi | |
| [07:34] <scientes_> $25/ $35 | |
| [07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah I have looked at it | |
| [07:35] <scientes_> wont run ubuntu however, only debian armel | |
| [07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: I wish it had an otg port | |
| [07:35] <scientes_> what is otg? | |
| [07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: I got the panda because I wanted a USB otg port | |
| [07:35] <krosswindz> USB port that can behave either like usb slave or usb host | |
| [07:36] <scientes_> hmm, reading the wikipedia page is a bit overwhelming | |
| [07:37] <scientes_> the cubox/d2plug has a cdc enabled hdmi port | |
| [07:37] <scientes_> so that the remote of a cdc hdmi TV can control the computer | |
| [07:37] <scientes_> and visa-versa | |
| [07:38] <krosswindz> scientes_: cool | |
| [07:38] <krosswindz> scientes_: you can use it as media player then | |
| [07:39] <scientes_> IIRC they can even power on each-other | |
| [07:41] <gildean> didn't newest hdmi-version include stuff like ethernet in there too? | |
| [07:41] <gildean> the standard that is, not the devices you're talking about | |
| [07:42] <scientes_> display port is suppose to supplant hdmi...... | |
| [07:43] <krosswindz> gildean: scientes_ display port doesnt have cec | |
| [07:43] <scientes_> gildean, I really don't know, but i am sure it would be on the wikipedia page | |
| [07:43] <krosswindz> gildean: yeah hdmi 1.4 also has ethernet | |
| [07:43] <scientes_> dang | |
| [07:43] <scientes_> hdmi is everything | |
| [07:44] <scientes_> including evil DRM | |
| [07:44] <scientes_> HEC Data+ (Optional, HDMI 1.4+ with Ethernet) | |
| [07:45] <scientes_> geeze, compressed and decompressed | |
| [07:46] <krosswindz> weird I am getting host unresolved for ports.ubuntu.com when the rest of the packages are downloaded from it | |
| [07:46] <krosswindz> completely weird | |
| [07:46] <scientes_> krosswindz, its downloading those packages in the chroot | |
| [07:46] <scientes_> of /target | |
| [07:46] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah | |
| [07:46] <scientes_> so its a differn't resolv.conf | |
| [07:47] <krosswindz> hmm | |
| [07:47] <krosswindz> probably the netboot installer is broken | |
| [07:47] <krosswindz> let me try an older version of the netboot installer | |
| [07:48] <scientes_> just the kernel install? | |
| [07:48] <scientes_> well, i don't have that hardware, on the sheevaplug, i have to-date managed the kernel seperately | |
| [07:49] <krosswindz> yeah just the kernel install | |
| [07:49] <scientes_> even though there is (now, not when i first installed) a linux-image-kirkwood package | |
| [07:50] <scientes_> oh wait, its cause I wanted to install to the NAND flash, rather than a SD card | |
| [07:50] <scientes_> how many writes do you get on flash before it peels over? | |
| [07:51] <krosswindz> not sure | |
| [07:51] <krosswindz> typically these days 100K write cycles | |
| [07:52] <krosswindz> not sure | |
| [07:52] <krosswindz> 100K is for flash media | |
| [07:52] <krosswindz> may be nand has significantly less | |
| [07:52] <scientes_> it seems that turning of compression in logrotate really isn't supported | |
| [07:53] <scientes_> i get syslog, syslog.1, syslog.1.gz, syslog.2, syslog2.gz | |
| [07:53] <scientes_> its a mess | |
| [07:53] <scientes_> cause ubifs already has zlib compression so it is pointless | |
| [07:54] <scientes_> especially cause it cause another write, cause it changes the file rather than just rename it | |
| [08:22] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829783/ | |
| [08:22] <scientes_> ^^^^gcc error | |
| [08:24] <scientes_> gcc claims it has a bug | |
| [08:24] <scientes_> /home/build/opencpn/plugins/grib_pi/src/grib.cpp:2193:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault | |
| [08:29] <krosswindz> is this on native | |
| [08:29] <krosswindz> or cross build | |
| [08:30] <krosswindz> calling it quits for tonight | |
| [08:30] <scientes_> this is on qemu | |
| [08:31] <scientes_> the next line after ctrl-c was "The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem. | |
| [08:31] <scientes_> " | |
| [08:31] <scientes_> so i posted it to #qemu on irc.oftc | |
| [08:31] <scientes_> neways good night | |
| [08:46] <scientes_> hmm, didn't put that out a second time---could just be cause the place where i ctrl-c'ed | |
| [10:33] <morphis> infinity: ping | |
| [11:54] <lilstevie> krosswindz, given NAND is usually what SDCards are made of it should be the same | |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | |
| [17:48] <Person987> Two questions: I'm a noob to pandaboard and I have ubuntu working nicely on an 8gig SD card now. Is there a way I can duplicate this SD card so I have a backup of the entire "system" | |
| [17:49] <Person987> Second, can I copy it to a USB thumb drive and run off of that? | |
| [17:53] <mythos> Person987, dd if=<sdcard-device> | gzip > backup.gz | |
| [17:54] <mythos> restore the card: zcat backup.gz > <sdcard-device> | |
| [17:55] <mythos> <sdcard-device> is something like /dev/mmc... | |
| [17:56] <mythos> search for it with fdisk -l | |
| [18:44] <pr_oc> i have been fighting with ubuntu on my gumstix/overo earth for a few days now, so any help is appreciated. Currently i'm stuck on getting any USB wifi card to work. I keep running into walls trying to build the manufacturer drivers, and am almost out of space on my 2gb SD card. what kernel should i be running? | |
| [18:55] <dioxin__> pr_oc: I made progress when I used the 12.04 dev build | |
| [18:56] <pr_oc> how did you build your initial root filesystem? | |
| [18:56] <pr_oc> i've found a bunch of different procedures | |
| [18:56] <pr_oc> chances are i choose poorly, because i'm missing just about every troubleshooting utility. i'm now running out of space because of all the apt-gets i've done :-) | |
| [18:57] <dioxin__> I'm using a Pandaboard with 8 or 16Gb SD cards | |
| [18:57] <dioxin__> so I'm hitting a space issue | |
| [18:57] <dioxin__> I'm NOT* | |
| [18:58] <pr_oc> yeah just saw those boards | |
| [18:58] <pr_oc> makes me wish i could swap this gumstix setup for that | |
| [18:58] <dioxin__> I'm building my initial fs system using the images off the Pandaboard wiki | |
| [18:59] <dioxin__> if you have a 2nd system, maybe you could download the vmlinuz and initrg.img + the modules directory and just copy them onto the gumtix SD card | |
| [19:00] <dioxin__> (its kinda what I've done to get round an issue I had | |
| [19:00] <pr_oc> i might end up doing that | |
| [19:00] <pr_oc> i'm so close to my goal that i'd hate to start over | |
| [19:10] <carli2> hi | |
| [19:10] <carli2> I have a omap3 beagleboard | |
| [19:10] <carli2> with the 11.10 release, usb mouse and keyboard did not work | |
| [19:10] <carli2> is that issue known? | |
| === rsalveti is now known as rsalveti_ | |
| [21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: are you around? | |
| [21:01] <GrueMaster> maybe... | |
| [21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: infinity asked me to pick your brain | |
| [21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I am having trouble with the netboot image | |
| [21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I am trying to install precise on an external usb drive | |
| [21:02] <GrueMaster> Yea, there is a bug, we think in resolfconf | |
| [21:02] <GrueMaster> resolvconf. | |
| [21:02] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: when it goes to install the kernel I get an error at that time only for the kernel unable to resolve | |
| [21:02] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: any work around | |
| [21:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does the oneiric netboot work? | |
| [21:03] <GrueMaster> The only workaround I have is to pull up the install log, and look for the apt-get install line just before the failure. It will be a "can't resolv <mirror>" error. | |
| [21:03] <GrueMaster> Then you can chroot target /bin/bash and atp-get install the packages manually. | |
| [21:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: yes ports.ubuntu.com | |
| [21:04] <GrueMaster> Oneiric should still work. | |
| [21:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: Oneiric would be armel, would there be any way I can upgrade from Oneiric armel to Precise armhf then | |
| [21:04] <GrueMaster> Not that I know of. | |
| [21:05] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: you suggest I use the fb image then and not serial console | |
| [21:05] <GrueMaster> The preinstalled images should still work, but they are more of a challenge to get installed on usb. It is doable, just difficult. | |
| [21:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: netboot would be easier using fb image then | |
| [21:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: after I chroot and install the kernel I can continue with the installers next step right? | |
| [21:07] <GrueMaster> That would be irrelevant. resolvconf isbroken during install. | |
| [21:07] <GrueMaster> yes, but you will still need to bounce back into the chroot to manually pull packages. | |
| [21:07] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [21:08] <GrueMaster> It is doable. I did it. It just takes a while. | |
| [21:08] <krosswindz> does the external usb install use any special uboot image | |
| [21:09] <krosswindz> I was wondering if I could install on the sd card then copy over the root filesystem and modify the boot.script and change it to boot from USB | |
| [21:10] <GrueMaster> That's what I did prior to netboot support. | |
| [21:10] <krosswindz> that should work then | |
| [21:10] <GrueMaster> I "may" have a temporary solution. Trying it now. Give me a few minutes. | |
| [21:10] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [21:10] <krosswindz> sweet | |
| [21:10] <krosswindz> I will be around | |
| [21:18] <GrueMaster> YEA! Success! | |
| [21:18] <GrueMaster> Ok,here's the steps: | |
| [21:18] <krosswindz> aweomse, can I try it :p | |
| [21:19] <GrueMaster> select "execute shell" | |
| [21:19] <GrueMaster> chroot target /bin/bash | |
| [21:19] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [21:19] <GrueMaster> dpkg --force-all --remove resolvconf # ignore errors | |
| [21:20] <GrueMaster> apt-get install resolvconf # ignore errors | |
| [21:20] <GrueMaster> exit back to menu | |
| [21:20] <GrueMaster> run select software (default selection from where it left off). | |
| [21:21] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [21:21] <krosswindz> thats its? | |
| [21:21] <krosswindz> it* | |
| [21:21] <krosswindz> I just fired the netboot again | |
| [21:21] <krosswindz> will report back in a bit | |
| [21:22] <dioxin> With the Ubuntu Server images (11.10) what is the effect of the various Live CD options from the install options? | |
| [21:23] <GrueMaster> dioxin: ??? | |
| [21:23] <GrueMaster> We only have preinstalled images for arm. | |
| [21:24] <dioxin> GrueMaster: I've done the 11.10 server image, and I'm at the "Choose software to install" stage | |
| [21:24] <dioxin> I get options for different live CD's | |
| [21:24] <GrueMaster> Oh, that. I don't know what the live cd selections are. | |
| [21:25] <dioxin> ok, well here goes nothing ;) | |
| [21:26] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does precise also need the 72 MiB fat32 partition that is not mounted but has the boot flag on? | |
| [21:27] <GrueMaster> That is on SD, right? That is where u-boot boots from. Keep it. | |
| [21:27] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: on the USB drive | |
| [21:28] <GrueMaster> Interesting. I've never seen that on Panda. | |
| [21:28] <GrueMaster> But then I use a preseed. | |
| [21:29] <krosswindz> dioxin: I remember seeing that as well it is before the actual install starts | |
| [21:29] <krosswindz> dioxin: I think I chose the first option which was to install a base system I dont remember | |
| [21:30] <dioxin> previously I've chosen Base-Server-Install and OpenSSH and its worked | |
| [21:30] <dioxin> I'm now trying lubuntu live cd option as well | |
| [21:33] <krosswindz> I am not sure what it does | |
| [21:34] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: the size of fat32 partition on SD card is 32M, I think thats what is the size in netboot image | |
| [21:34] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: should I resize it once the install is done? | |
| [21:34] <GrueMaster> Nah, that sould be enough. | |
| [21:35] <GrueMaster> It only needs to hold MLO, u-boot.bin, and backups of uImage, uInitrd, and boot.scr | |
| [21:35] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: thanks | |
| [21:36] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its installing the base system now, my net connection is slow atm because its sunday and everyone in my apt complex is at home | |
| [21:37] <GrueMaster> Heh. Understand. | |
| [21:37] <GrueMaster> That's why I have my own mirror at home. | |
| [21:41] <dioxin> how big is the repository? it is feasible to mirror it at home? | |
| [21:42] <GrueMaster> Not too big if you only pull armhf. I have all of arm (no sources) and it is ~350G (I think, haven'tchecked my server lately). | |
| [21:43] <GrueMaster> That is all of arm (armel, armhf) and also contains all pools (main, restricted, multiverse, universe). | |
| [21:43] <dioxin> including 10.10 through to 12.04? | |
| [21:45] <GrueMaster> Yes. Actually, it appears to be 255G on my mirror. | |
| [21:45] <GrueMaster> (I also have all images since UDS - that's why I thought it was more). | |
| [21:46] <dioxin> I've got a spare ATOM box with a 1 TB drive attached... hmmm ;) | |
| [21:46] <dioxin> (and luckily I've a 100 meg internet connection ;) | |
| [21:47] <dioxin> does Ubuntu Support Beagle Bone as well? | |
| [21:47] <GrueMaster> I use ubumirror to do the mirroring. Ubuports (the script that mirrors ports.ubuntu.com) runs every 2 hours. | |
| [21:47] <GrueMaster> I think so. I don't have one to try. | |
| [21:47] <dioxin> I get one Tuesday I think | |
| [21:48] <GrueMaster> cool. | |
| [21:49] <GrueMaster> If it boots the same as the beagexm, it will just work. | |
| [21:49] <krosswindz> moment of truth | |
| [21:50] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its redoing the basesystem install | |
| [21:50] <dioxin> I might have to pick your brains in a couple of days on how to do the repo mirror | |
| [21:50] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: that is normal. | |
| [21:50] <krosswindz> dioxin: check apt-mirror | |
| [21:50] <GrueMaster> dioxin: I'll pastebin my ubumirror.conf when you are ready. | |
| [21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: awesome its asking me to chose the kernel this time | |
| [21:51] <dioxin> I need to reinstall the ATOM as well along with recieve the board and other toys :D | |
| [21:51] <krosswindz> i select linux-omap4 | |
| [21:51] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: apt-mirror doesn't get the udebs and other stuff needed for netboot. | |
| [21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: aah ok | |
| [21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: It installed the kernel, thanks for the help :p | |
| [21:51] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: The kernel questions are a good sign. | |
| [21:52] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its configuring apt now | |
| [21:52] <dioxin> GrueMaster: is it possible to build the entire ubuntu from source? | |
| [21:52] <GrueMaster> excellent | |
| [21:52] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does precise kernel still have the 1G issue where compiler segfaults? | |
| [21:52] <GrueMaster> yes, but it takes a long time. | |
| [21:53] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I want to build stuff natively | |
| [21:53] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: No, that was fixed. | |
| [21:54] <dioxin> is compiling i/o or computation intensive? | |
| [21:54] <GrueMaster> We are in the process of rebuilding the pool. I think it will take a week or two with a pool of pandas. | |
| [21:54] <krosswindz> dioxin: both | |
| [21:54] <GrueMaster> dioxin: Both. The Panda is the fastest we currently have, but IO is slow. | |
| [21:55] <dioxin> how many Panda in the pool? | |
| [21:55] <GrueMaster> We hope to get some 4 core arm servers soon, but they probably won't be building until well into 12.10. | |
| [21:55] <GrueMaster> Not sure. 16 I think. | |
| [21:56] <GrueMaster> It takes something like 12 hours to build libreOffice. | |
| [21:58] <krosswindz> wow on the pool of pandas or just one? | |
| [21:58] <krosswindz> quad core arms are they omaps or tegra? | |
| [21:58] <GrueMaster> Just one. We don't use distcc | |
| [21:59] <GrueMaster> Tegra 3 is 5 core, but they are limited availability. | |
| [21:59] <GrueMaster> Not sure what omap5 will be or when it comes out. | |
| [21:59] <GrueMaster> Calxeda is the exiting one. Check out their announcement. | |
| [22:00] <krosswindz> I read omap5 would be quad core | |
| [22:00] <krosswindz> with like 2GHz core | |
| [22:00] <GrueMaster> that will be cool. | |
| [22:01] <krosswindz> let me try to find that article | |
| [22:02] <krosswindz> http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/21777-omap-5-is-quad-core-28nm-in-2012 | |
| [22:03] <krosswindz> cortex a15 | |
| [22:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: installation complete rebooting now | |
| [22:03] <GrueMaster> Double cool. A15 will support kvm. | |
| [22:03] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: Excellent! | |
| [22:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I have login prompt over serial console | |
| [22:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: thanks a lot for your help | |
| [22:05] <GrueMaster> glad I could help. Hopefully this willbe fixed next week. | |
| [22:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I can for now get rid of all the archive.ubuntu.com entries from sources.list right | |
| [22:06] <krosswindz> and security.ubuntu.com as well? | |
| [22:06] <GrueMaster> Yes, unless you want to install a source package. | |
| [22:07] <krosswindz> I will install linux source for recompiling it | |
| [22:07] <GrueMaster> security.ubuntu.com is a bug. All updates are on ports.ubuntu.com | |
| [22:07] <krosswindz> ok | |
| [22:08] <GrueMaster> I have to run. Need to get ready for superbowl. | |
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| [23:11] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: you around? | |
| [23:11] <krosswindz> aah now I see you are off to watch superbowl | |