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[00:27] <Person987> Hi all, I'm trying to install the omap4 extras from TI on my Pandaboard. I have reached a screen which wants me to agree to the "TI TSPA Object cod Software License Agreement". It looks like a dialog box made with text graphics and has an <OK> at the bottom. I can't figure out how to click "OK" :-) |
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[00:29] <mythos> tab and enter? |
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[00:30] <Person987> Lol that works! |
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[00:30] <mythos> np |
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[03:15] <pnphi> excuse me |
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[03:18] <pnphi> excuse me |
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[04:23] <krosswindz> I am trying to build ubuntu oneiric kernel in a armel cross chroot |
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[04:23] <krosswindz> I am unable to build because of the following error: scripts/kconfig/zconf.tab.c:2505:0: internal compiler error: in insert_vi_for_tree, at tree-ssa-structalias.c:2740 |
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[04:24] <krosswindz> I was wondering if anyone has seen this |
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[04:33] <mythos> hmm... wouldn't it be easier to cross-compile it outside the qemu-environment with CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabi-? |
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[04:35] <krosswindz> mythos: I thought using a cross chroot I can leave my host environment unmodified |
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[04:36] <mythos> qemu does have some issues if a process needs to much memory (in my experience) |
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[04:36] <krosswindz> hmm |
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[04:36] <mythos> and you can set up a cross-compile-environment inside the chroot ;-) |
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[04:37] <krosswindz> ;) |
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[04:40] <mythos> but in fact, that was my my first shot/try also... it works, but has it's limits |
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[04:41] <krosswindz> ok |
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[04:41] <krosswindz> I tried removing -O2 from KBUILD_CFLAGS still no luck :) |
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[04:41] <krosswindz> s/)/(/ |
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[04:42] <mythos> yeah, that's the first hit google gives you, if you run in such problems ;-) |
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[04:42] <mythos> i was lucky and it worked with python2.4... |
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[04:43] <mythos> so, you should really try a cross-compilation or a native build |
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[04:44] <krosswindz> I tried a native build |
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[04:44] <krosswindz> I am seeing segfaults |
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[04:44] <krosswindz> I already have the 768MB work around |
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[04:44] <krosswindz> http://pastebin.com/pmSbm4pd |
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[04:45] <mythos> oh, than your last shot is cross-compilation |
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[04:46] <mythos> *then |
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[04:46] <krosswindz> I am trying to avoid it if possible |
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[04:46] <krosswindz> probably setup a chroot and cross build inside that |
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[04:47] <krosswindz> wonder how the kernels are built in ports |
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[04:48] <krosswindz> are they cross built or in cross chroot :p |
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[04:48] <mythos> if you are idling long enough, one from canonical's arm-team will surely answer your question |
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[04:49] <mythos> but, i'think, they said that they use panda-boards to compile their packages |
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[04:50] <krosswindz> that would take forever |
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[04:50] <krosswindz> compiling on the pandaboard is so slow |
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[04:50] <mythos> look at the topic... |
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[04:52] <krosswindz> interesting if they are building everything on pandaboards |
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[04:58] <mythos> yeah... i have to consider this too... |
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[04:59] <mythos> if they use native builds for everything, maybe i should that too for my projects |
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[05:03] <krosswindz> probably some of the devs could answer this |
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[05:09] <mythos> krosswindz, maybe out of context, but that's what i found in the channel history http://pastebin.com/DEcZvhj9 |
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[05:11] <krosswindz> mythos: guess they are using pandaboards as buildd |
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[05:12] <mythos> i guess so too |
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[05:14] <krosswindz> guess I might switch precise and see if that solves my build issues |
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[05:14] <mythos> go for it =) |
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[05:20] <krosswindz> will try armhf if it doesnt work I can always revert back to oneiric |
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[05:20] <krosswindz> should get a couple of more sd cards :p |
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[05:21] <mythos> if possible, i would use a nfs configuration |
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[05:22] <mythos> my board is able to load linux via tftp and rootfs via nfs |
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[05:22] <mythos> but it is a uncommon ti board. i don't have a panda or anything else |
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[05:23] <mythos> maybe all u-boots can do this... |
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[05:26] <krosswindz> uboots can do it |
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[05:26] <krosswindz> the x-loader has an option on the pandaboard to boot using tftp |
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[05:26] <krosswindz> I havent tried it though |
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[05:27] <mythos> it is a really neat feature =) |
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[05:41] <scientes_> where can i get debian-installer images for qemu? |
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[05:46] <mythos> scientes_, i think, you are looking for this http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
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[05:47] <scientes_> no, found what i needed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core |
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[05:47] <scientes_> (if there are arm versions...) |
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[05:47] <scientes_> i am trying to install ubuntu arm in qemu |
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[05:47] <scientes_> to test some software that fails in debian arm and x86_64, but works in ubuntu x86_64 |
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[05:48] <scientes_> *debian armel, when compiled from source |
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[05:48] <mythos> "Installing armel to qemu with d-i" <-- but if you found what you are looking for, that's also awesome =) |
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[05:48] <scientes_> hmmmm, actually, emulated compiling is probably too slow |
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[05:49] <scientes_> mythos, yes, but where is the d-i for UBUNTU |
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[05:49] <scientes_> i.e. alternate installer in ubuntu-land |
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[05:49] <scientes_> I guess i will need to use a chroot or something on my arm device |
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[05:49] <mythos> that was not what you asked for ;-) |
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[05:49] <scientes_> well, this is #ubuntu-arm |
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[05:49] <infinity> mythos: Sure it is. |
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[05:49] <scientes_> i thought it was implied |
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[05:50] <infinity> mythos: debian-installer implies the software, not the distro. |
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[05:50] <scientes_> infinity, precisely |
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[05:50] <infinity> scientes_: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armel/current/images/linaro-vexpress/netboot/ |
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[05:50] <mythos> infinity, hmm... i'm not sure, if i understood that? so debian-installer ist capable to install ubuntu? |
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[05:51] <infinity> scientes_: Unfortunately, we don't provide vexpress netboot images for armhf yet. I should put that on my TODO before I forget again. |
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[05:51] <infinity> mythos: debian-installer is the underlying technology for all our installers. |
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[05:51] <scientes_> infinity, which one would be faster for emulation? |
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[05:51] <scientes_> infinity, except liveCD IIRC |
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[05:52] <infinity> scientes_: ubiquity uses d-i components to do all the "real work". |
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[05:52] <infinity> scientes_: (ubiquity being the GUI livecd installer) |
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[05:52] <scientes_> infinity, ahh, now i know |
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[05:52] <scientes_> i though it just copied the image |
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[05:52] <infinity> Copying is the easy part. ;) |
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[05:52] <infinity> (ish) |
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[05:52] <scientes_> the squashfs image, with cp -a or something |
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[05:52] <infinity> It copies the squashfs, and then runs all the d-i bits inside the target. |
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[05:52] <scientes_> instead of installing every deb seperately |
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[05:53] <mythos> infinity, i don't want to argue against it. so i apologize |
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[05:53] <scientes_> fedora is differn't, cause their livecd doesn't support anything but ext4 |
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[05:53] <infinity> mythos: I suppose you could argue if you wanted. ;) |
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[05:53] <scientes_> as a limitation of the way they are doing it IIRC |
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[05:53] <mythos> infinity, sure... ;-) |
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[05:54] <scientes_> but on a differn't note: is compiling in qemu going to be horribly slow? |
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[05:54] <infinity> scientes_: Yes. |
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[05:54] <scientes_> and will i have better luck with a chroot on a real, but slow, arm device |
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[05:54] <infinity> scientes_: On the fastest hardware we can get our hands on, qemu barely beats out a pandaboard. |
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[05:55] <infinity> scientes_: And you probably don't have that hardware. |
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[05:55] <scientes_> I have a sheevaplug |
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[05:55] <scientes_> but it has debian wheezy on it |
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[05:55] <infinity> Oh, well, the sheeva's not exactly speedy either. |
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[05:56] <krosswindz> infinity: do you have any suggestion for size of the sd card for building things natively on the pandaboard |
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[05:56] <scientes_> pandaboard at least supports VFP |
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[05:56] <infinity> Wait, you can't even run Ubuntu on a sheeva, can you? |
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[05:56] <infinity> Isn't in ARMv5? |
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[05:56] <scientes_> infinity, so which should I try, chroot on sheeva, or qemu? |
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[05:56] <scientes_> oh, your right |
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[05:56] <infinity> s/in/it/ |
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[05:56] <scientes_> only old version |
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[05:57] <scientes_> it actually ships with some version of ubuntu |
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[05:57] <scientes_> (don't remember cause i replaced it very quickly with debian) |
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[05:57] <infinity> krosswindz: I recommend a tiny SD card, a netboot image, and installing to a nice external USB drive. |
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[05:57] <infinity> krosswindz: Honestly, while running from SD makes for cute demos, it's slow, and it kills SD cards. |
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[05:57] <krosswindz> infinity: true |
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[05:57] <scientes_> infinity, ahhh, its bad to run embedded from SD? |
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[05:58] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, we used to support v5 for a while, then v6 for a while, but we've been v7-only for ages. |
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[05:58] <scientes_> with or without VFP? |
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[05:58] <infinity> v7 implies vfp. |
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[05:58] <scientes_> so basically armhg |
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[05:58] <scientes_> *armhf |
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[05:58] <krosswindz> infinity: if I install on to the usb drive I should be able to use the normal USB port right and not the OTG |
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[05:59] <infinity> Out armel port uses softfp calling conventions (but still uses the vfp unit), and armhf uses hardfp calling conventions. |
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[05:59] <infinity> krosswindz: Yeah, either of the two normal USB ports. |
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[05:59] <scientes_> why? if armv7 implies VFP? |
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[05:59] <scientes_> you would get 40% better performance on some hardware (armhf info page) |
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[06:00] <infinity> scientes_: Hence the armhf port. |
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[06:00] <krosswindz> nice I think thats what I will do then |
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[06:00] <krosswindz> I should have an old 80G sata drive lying around some where |
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[06:00] <scientes_> seems like you should drop the soft float conventions all together |
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[06:00] <infinity> scientes_: armel uses the softfp ABI because that's just the way things were done for compatibility (and sanity) reasons. Porting everything to the hardfp ABI was some effort. |
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[06:01] <infinity> scientes_: The armel port will likely become unsupported this cycle. |
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[06:01] <scientes_> gotcha |
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[06:01] <infinity> scientes_: We're trying to move the world to armhf. I've put a lot of work into this. :P |
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[06:02] <infinity> krosswindz: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ |
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[06:02] <infinity> krosswindz: If you just write out one of those images (boot.img-serial or boot.img-fb) to an SD and boot, you should be able to install to an external drive and save a lot of pain. |
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[06:02] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks for the link |
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[06:02] <scientes_> eek, it seems like testing this software will be a PITA |
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[06:03] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks |
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[06:03] <krosswindz> once I am done installing I dont need the sd card to boot or would I need it still |
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[06:03] <scientes_> maybe i can use the packages i built in debian |
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[06:03] <infinity> krosswindz: It'll still need an SD card around to flash a bootloader to, so you don't get to go completely SD free (the Panda has no firmware), but reading a bootloader on boot is a heck of a lot better than running your whole OS from the card) |
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[06:03] <krosswindz> agreed |
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[06:03] <krosswindz> I can build natively on the pandaboard |
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[06:04] <scientes_> whats the package for qemu-arm? |
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[06:04] <scientes_> krosswindz, thx, its opencpn.org |
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[06:04] <infinity> scientes_: qemu |
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[06:04] <scientes_> infinity, that just installs qemu-kvm now |
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[06:04] <mythos> apt-file search qemu-arm |
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[06:04] <infinity> scientes_: Or, if you want to do binfmt-misc emulation (which is much less annoying), qemu-user-static |
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[06:05] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, qemu-kvm should include qemu-system-arm, does it not? |
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[06:05] <scientes_> don't know i was trying to use virt-manager |
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[06:05] <infinity> Oh, those may have been split off into qemu-system |
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[06:06] <infinity> Anyhow, qemu system emulation is almost never what you want, unless you're debugging bootloaders. |
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[06:06] <infinity> qemu binfmt emulation is much less annoying. |
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[06:08] <krosswindz> infinity: are there md5sums for the files around some where |
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[06:09] <infinity> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/precise/main/installer-armhf/current/images/MD5SUMS |
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[06:09] <krosswindz> thans |
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[06:09] <krosswindz> thanks* |
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[06:09] <scientes_> poof!, my computer randomly rebooted |
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[06:09] <infinity> scientes_: Welcome back. |
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[06:09] <scientes_> wierd |
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[06:09] <infinity> scientes_: So, as I was saying. ;) |
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[06:09] <scientes_> anyways, no infinity qemu-kvm only has qemu-system-i386 and -x86-64 |
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[06:09] <mythos> <mythos> apt-file search qemu-arm |
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[06:10] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, the others were broken out into qemu-system |
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[06:10] <scientes_> exactly |
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[06:10] <scientes_> installing now.... |
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[06:10] <infinity> scientes_: However, you almost certainly don't want an actual qemu-system, unless you're debugging bootloaders. |
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[06:10] <scientes_> oh ok |
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[06:10] <scientes_> oh yes, there is multiarch !!!!! :):):) |
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[06:10] <infinity> scientes_: If you install qemu-user-static, then you can work with ARM binaries as if they were native. |
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[06:11] <scientes_> I don't see -static, just qemu-user |
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[06:11] <scientes_> but that is OK |
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[06:11] <mythos> search for qemu-arm-static |
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[06:12] <scientes_> krosswindz, should i just use what i built on my sheevaplug in debian wheezy, or do you want to build opencpn ( opencpn.org ) ? |
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[06:12] <krosswindz> scientes_: I am sorry I guess you there was some miscommunication |
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[06:12] <infinity> scientes_: qemu-user-static definitely exists (and is the required one in this case), I just installed it. |
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[06:13] <scientes_> ahh it does, what is the difference? |
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[06:13] <scientes_> oh, i read the desc, nvm |
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[06:14] <scientes_> wait, no I don't know why |
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[06:14] <scientes_> dpkg --add-architecture armel ? now |
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[06:14] <infinity> scientes_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/829726/ <-- witness the magic. |
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[06:15] <infinity> scientes_: You could do multiarch too, but that gets messy. Do you really do your builds in your base system, not in chroots? |
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[06:16] <scientes_> oh gotcha, that looks much cleaner |
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[06:18] <scientes_> krosswindz, oh, gotcha |
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[06:18] <scientes_> OK, all this talk about SD cards----so if I launch an embedded device, it is smart to not use a SD root? |
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[06:19] <infinity> scientes_: If you're building an actual embedded device, hopefully that assumes you're taking great pains to make sure you're not doing things like logging to filesystems, etc. |
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[06:20] <infinity> scientes_: If you never write to the card except to update software, SD's a fine choice. |
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[06:20] <scientes_> ok, so all the problems with SD are going to be the same with NAND flash? |
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[06:20] <infinity> scientes_: If you run a general purpose OS on it, and call it "embedded" without making sure you neuter that sort of behaviour, you're going to kill a lot of flash. |
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[06:20] <scientes_> not the FTL? |
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[06:20] <scientes_> *do any come from the FTL? |
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[06:21] <infinity> scientes_: Hrm? |
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[06:21] <infinity> I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. |
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[06:21] <scientes_> flash translation layer---why SD is a block device, not a mtd |
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[06:21] <infinity> Yes... But I'm not sure what you're asking about FTLs. |
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[06:21] <scientes_> well is that the source of SD problems? |
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[06:22] <scientes_> or are their problems shared with raw NAND flash? |
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[06:22] <infinity> No, the source of problems is rewriting flash, full stop. |
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[06:22] <scientes_> ok, that is what i was asking |
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[06:22] <infinity> And raw flash is usually worse than something with a decent FTL implementation, cause at least decent FTLs (like those found on SSD disks) do proper wear-leveling. |
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[06:22] <infinity> But, at the end of the day, excessive writes kill flash, even SSD disks. |
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[06:22] <scientes_> infinity, ubifs does wear-leveling just great |
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[06:23] <infinity> SD cards tend to die much faster than SSDs, though. :P |
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[06:23] <infinity> (I've killed a lot of SD cards working on ARM porting...) |
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[06:23] <scientes_> ahh, very heavy usage |
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[06:23] <scientes_> would you recommend logging to tmpfs? |
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[06:23] <infinity> Logging to a tmpfs is reasonable, sure. Means you don't get permanence, but it's enough for spot disagnostics. |
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[06:23] <scientes_> is it just the number of writes, or maybe to fast, etc? |
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[06:24] <infinity> Most embedded projects really don't need logs, though. |
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[06:24] <infinity> Or, really shouldn't? |
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[06:24] <mythos> i think, a minimal logging into ram is fine. for the rest a log-server should be used |
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[06:24] <infinity> Cause once you sell it to a customer, do you really expect them to be mailing you lofs? ;) |
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[06:24] <infinity> logs* |
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[06:24] <mythos> yes i do |
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[06:25] <infinity> scientes_: Speed doesn't really matter, it's just the number of writes, period. And yeah, logs are the worst culprit right after atime (but sane people always disable atime on flash) |
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[06:26] <infinity> mythos: If every set top box, phone, and smart TV in my parents' house expected them to be "informed and educated" users who filed bug reports with logs, I suspect they'd just stop buying these computers disguised as appliances. |
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[06:26] <scientes_> infinity, what about relatime? |
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[06:26] <scientes_> (mainly for completeness) |
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[06:26] <mythos> infinity, i have to care about thinclients, so... ;-) |
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[06:27] <infinity> scientes_: I've never seen the point in relatime. |
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[06:28] <infinity> scientes_: But it would fall in betweenish, I suppose. Much less likely to update, but it's still unnecessary writes for a flash device. |
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[06:28] <scientes_> yeah, go with atime |
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[06:28] <scientes_> i mean noatime |
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[06:29] <scientes_> seems like btrfs might be smarter for a flash device---ugh |
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[06:29] <scientes_> i still hate that ugly FTL |
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[06:29] <scientes_> and would rather just put ubifs on it |
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[06:29] <infinity> mythos: Well, I tend to view thinclients more like "really crappy computers" than appliances, in the enviroments where most people use them. That said, it would be much nicer if they were appliances. |
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[06:30] <mythos> i don't like them either |
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[06:30] <mythos> but what shall i say... somehow i have to earn money |
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[06:30] <infinity> And back in the days when you could buy X terminals off the shelf from IBM and Wyse, and thin clients were much less fat than they are today, they were very appliancy. |
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[06:31] <mythos> ;___; i'm sorry |
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[06:33] <infinity> Oddly enough, I think we've almost come full circle. The full-features "appliance" IBM thin clients I used to work with that did seamless desktop convergence between X11 and WinNT/Metaframe were, if I recall, running StrongARM CPUs. |
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[06:33] <infinity> Really, really slow ones. :P |
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[06:33] <scientes_> infinity, do you use udev in your chroots, or bind mount /dev ? |
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[06:33] <infinity> scientes_: Neither, I just mount devpts. But if you actually need all the nodes, bindmounting /dev is the sane option, yes. |
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[06:36] <infinity> Oh, no. Wikipedia has educated me. Those were PPC (first gen) and Pentium (second gen). |
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[06:36] <scientes_> how do i see what breaks a package without installing aptitude? |
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[06:36] <scientes_> nvm, it just printed it out |
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[06:39] <mythos> infinity, as far as i know is arm rather new for thinclients.... i know a hp armv3-device, but that's it |
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[06:40] <scientes_> mythos, even if it is new, it seems like it would be the way to go in the long run, considering the power consumption |
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[06:40] <infinity> mythos: Yeah, I'm trying to think of why I got confused about that one. Well, other than the part where it was 15 years ago and I'm old. :P |
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[06:40] <mythos> *g |
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[06:41] <mythos> scientes_, yes, you are right |
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[06:41] <mythos> it is the new hot stuff for citrix and vmware... (lot of work for me... that's why i'm here) |
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[06:43] <scientes_> infinity, oh your right, multiarch wouldn't work because it doesn't include binaries |
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[06:44] <scientes_> *executables |
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[06:44] <infinity> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-07L8402-Network-Station-1000-/320556566601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa2a90849 |
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[06:44] <infinity> ^-- Memories. |
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[06:44] <infinity> And 95 bucks for nostalgia is tempting. |
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[06:45] <scientes_> is there a multiarch way to have the binaries put in a special place, and then you just set your $PATH approiately |
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[06:45] <scientes_> and have binfmtmisc with qemu do the rest?\ |
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[06:45] <infinity> scientes_: No. |
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[06:45] <infinity> scientes_: Multiarch pretty much assumes that you don't want the same binary twice. (which is a fair assumption, generally) |
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[06:45] <mythos> infinity, i have to support the emulator for this device ;-) |
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[06:45] <scientes_> that way you could still use all your installed utilies in the not-chroot, like git, etc |
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[06:45] <infinity> scientes_: Of course, for development, this isn't a big deal, as you usually only need the foreign-arch libraries, not binaries. |
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[06:46] <infinity> scientes_: Still, chroots are much cleaner. |
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[06:46] <scientes_> instead of having to have two terminals open for the chroot :) |
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[06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: is there a US mirror for ports |
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[06:46] <scientes_> yes, two terminals at once isn't that big of a deal |
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[06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: netboot gives the otion of only UK |
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[06:46] <infinity> krosswindz: There may be one or two, but I don't know of any. |
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[06:46] <krosswindz> option* |
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[06:46] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks |
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[06:46] <infinity> krosswindz: The only official ports mirror is ports.ubuntu.com |
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[06:47] <krosswindz> infinity: ok |
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[06:47] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, I guess I don't notice how or why it bugs people, because I've always done all my development in chroots, long before I could also do fancy emulated chroots. :) |
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[06:48] <infinity> scientes_: My laptop has pretty much nothing installed in the base system, and each bit of software I work on gets a new clean chroot. |
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[06:48] <infinity> (waste of space, maybe, but it helps maintain sanity) |
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[06:48] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829746/ |
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[06:49] <infinity> scientes_: sed -i -e 's/main/main universe restricted multiverse/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update |
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[06:49] <scientes_> hmm, why don't you use vserver with vhashify then? |
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[06:49] <scientes_> so that all the duplicate files get hardlinked together in a sane way |
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[06:49] <scientes_> which reduces both disk AND ram consumption |
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[06:50] <scientes_> along with security which doesn't exist with chroots |
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[06:50] <infinity> Security's a non-issue. |
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[06:50] <infinity> For my use-case. |
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[06:50] <scientes_> but what about vhashify? |
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[06:50] <infinity> This is just about not having junk in my base system, and not polluting package builds. |
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[06:51] <infinity> The de-duping might be neat, but *shrug*... Don't care? ;) |
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[06:51] <infinity> I build and delete chroots several times a day, it's not like they live long. |
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[06:51] <scientes_> are you at least running the ram consolidation thingy designed primarily for KVM? |
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[06:51] <infinity> My workflow comes from more than a decade of buildd maintenance, it's not "sane" to most people, but it works for me. |
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[06:51] <scientes_> it just scans ram and loops for things that are the same |
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[06:52] <mythos> sooo... chroot is a "good enough"-solution :o |
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[06:52] <infinity> RAM consolodation doesn't matter, I'm not running long-running processes in these chroots. |
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[06:52] <infinity> Build, compile, wipe. |
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[06:52] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829746/ <----help |
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[06:52] <infinity> scientes_: sed -i -e 's/main/main universe multiverse/' /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update |
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[06:53] <infinity> ^-- I did. |
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[06:53] <scientes_> infinity, ahh, yes universe needs to be on, thx |
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[06:53] <scientes_> no multiverse thxuverymuch however |
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[06:53] <infinity> ;) |
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[06:54] <infinity> You shouldn't need restricted either, but you have it on. |
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[06:54] <infinity> (If you're trying to avoid non-free software sneaking up and biting you in your sleep) |
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[06:54] <scientes_> that was just the default for the ubuntu core tar.gz |
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[06:55] <infinity> Yeah. I should revisit that. |
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[06:55] <infinity> I picked "main restricted" pretty arbitrarily when I first put core together, just based on the fact that it used to be our default in, like, dapper? |
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[06:56] <scientes_> what is the default now? |
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[06:56] <infinity> I sometimes live in the past. |
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[06:56] <infinity> The default now is, I believe, all 4 components enabled after install. But I'm not positive of that either, I'd have to install a fresh Ubuntu. :P |
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[06:56] <scientes_> definitely not |
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[06:57] <scientes_> it just feels like that the way software-center works by default |
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[06:57] <infinity> Yeah, maybe. |
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[06:57] <infinity> Perhaps the default is still "main restricted", or possibly just "main". |
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[06:57] <infinity> I'm too lazy to dig through code right now. |
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[06:57] <infinity> Plus, "default" depends on how you install. Keeping those things in sync is annoying. |
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[06:58] <scientes_> infinity, I think you should just enable main |
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[06:58] <scientes_> oh wait, its not just armel |
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[06:58] <infinity> It's all arches. |
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[06:58] <scientes_> i was thinking that the hardware that gets restricted put on default is not present with arm |
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[06:59] <infinity> But, that said, people shouldn't need fancy binary opengl drivers in a minimal chroot. |
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[06:59] <infinity> And if they do, they can edit sources.list. :P |
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[06:59] <scientes_> ^^ precisely |
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[06:59] <scientes_> so just put it main, and be done with it |
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[06:59] <infinity> Well, I was tossing around the idea of going the other way too. |
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[06:59] <infinity> Since people constantly say "I tried to install $foo and it's not found, is ubuntu-core crap somehow?" |
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[07:00] <infinity> Or "is this built on ARM?!" |
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[07:00] <scientes_> i havn't looked for a while but it seemed like ubuntu was shipping some pretty schetchy stuff in multiverse |
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[07:00] <infinity> When the answer is, invariably, "enable universe". |
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[07:00] <scientes_> compared to debian's non-free being pretty reasonable when i looked at it |
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[07:00] <infinity> scientes_: Well, multiverse is just the non-free component of universe. So, sure. I guess that's sketchy on top of sketchy. :) |
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[07:00] <infinity> But it's not like enabling it forces people to install things from it. |
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[07:00] <scientes_> infinity, but it was bigger than debian's non-free |
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[07:01] <krosswindz> infinity: I am installing precise on an usb hard drive, I dont need a separate boot partition on it since that will come from the SD card right? |
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[07:01] <infinity> And we don't allow dependencies from main to universe or from universe to multiverse, so... |
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[07:01] <infinity> krosswindz: Right. |
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[07:01] <scientes_> debian was like: nasa worldwind (open source, but bad license), xtides-data-nonfree (asshole govmnts), and hardware support |
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[07:01] <infinity> scientes_: Debian has, historically, been kinder to their mirrors with regard to non-free. |
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[07:02] <infinity> scientes_: If something was widely non-redistributable in, say, several EU countries, or the US, or whatever, they wouldn't carry it. |
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[07:02] <infinity> scientes_: multiverse, we just say "look, it's hosted in the UK, mirrors don't have to mirror it, if they do, we assume they've read the licenses, HTH, HAND". |
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[07:02] <scientes_> it drives me nuts how governments, that need good map data in order to do taxes, etc, double charge their citizens |
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[07:03] <scientes_> the US is like the only sane country in this regard |
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[07:03] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, well. The US and software sanity is a sore topic for Debian too. It took us FOREVER to get rid of the stupid "non-US" split for crypto. :( |
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[07:04] <scientes_> the NSA managed to hold back encryption for 10 years with that stupid shit |
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[07:04] <StevenK> And even then it involved something like 850 pages being sent to the US government. |
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[07:04] <StevenK> By hand. |
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[07:04] <scientes_> also: software patents |
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[07:04] <infinity> StevenK: Yeah, it was tons of special. |
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[07:05] <infinity> StevenK: I haven't kept up, do you know if Debian's finally managed to obtain a blanket waiver, or if ftpmaster is still automating an e-mail to the US govt for every NEW package? |
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[07:05] <StevenK> I think its the latter. |
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[07:05] <infinity> Ridiculous. ;) |
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[07:08] <scientes_> infinity, what percentage of packages correctly cross-compile? |
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[07:09] <infinity> scientes_: Like xdeb, cross-build the package style? Probably a much lower number than you'd like. |
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[07:09] <infinity> scientes_: Building natively (or "natively" under emulation) is still the way to go. |
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[07:09] <scientes_> yeah, i just assumed that I should default to natively |
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[07:10] <infinity> We've been working on improving the numbers for cross support for specific dependency chains. |
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[07:10] <scientes_> sure the kernel can do it, but not much else |
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[07:10] <scientes_> are there any list of what chains work? |
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[07:10] <infinity> But, personally, I think it's wasted effort. ARM hardware is getting faster every day and, while I appreciate that people are spoiled and all, if I can build the entire armhf archive in ~15 days, it's not "slow". |
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[07:11] <scientes_> it supposedly fixes alot of bugs to get cross-compile working |
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[07:11] <infinity> scientes_: Not sure how far that's gone. It was mostly being done by Linaro folks, IIRC. I'll be at Linaro Connect in, like, 2 days though, and I think we have a catch-up session on it. :P |
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[07:11] <infinity> scientes_: Err, what? How would cross-compiling fix bugs? |
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[07:11] <infinity> scientes_: That sounds a whole like like misinformation. |
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[07:11] <infinity> s/a whole/a whole lot/ |
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[07:11] <scientes_> probably is, only read it once |
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[07:12] <scientes_> some random comment on lwn or something |
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[07:12] <infinity> At best, cross-compiling will provide you with binary-identical output, at worst, the cross version will be horribly broken compared to the native. |
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[07:12] <infinity> I can think of any scenario where it would be better. :) |
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[07:12] <scientes_> I built the linux kernel with distcc on x86_64 and arm at the same time, and it booted! |
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[07:12] <infinity> s/can/can't/ |
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[07:13] <infinity> In general, cross should get you binary-identical output these days. GCC and binutils are much saner than they used to be. |
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[07:13] <infinity> But. |
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[07:13] <infinity> There's always a but. |
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[07:13] <infinity> And the buts never favour the cross environment. |
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[07:13] <krosswindz> infinity: what about cross chroot using qemu |
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[07:13] <infinity> krosswindz: That's essentially "native", for the purpose of this discussion. |
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[07:13] <scientes_> yes |
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[07:13] <krosswindz> ok |
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[07:14] <scientes_> cross-compiling is much faster |
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[07:14] <scientes_> emulation is not |
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[07:14] <scientes_> but I was definitely impressed with i could use distcc with arm and x86_64 cross at the same time, and boot what came out |
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[07:15] <scientes_> infinity, oh geeze, you should have put no-install-recommend in the core..... |
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[07:16] <scientes_> oh wait, i guess it did that |
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[07:16] <scientes_> just alot of stuff |
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[07:19] <infinity> scientes_: You can specify it on the command line. |
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[07:20] <scientes_> i know that, i thought it was installing a bunch of worthless stuff, but i scrolled up, and it listed the recommends sep, which IIRC means it didn't install them |
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[07:20] <infinity> I type "apt-get --no-install-recommends --purge install $foo" so often that it's muscle memory. :P |
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[07:20] <infinity> scientes_: No, it lists them even if they're also in the install list. If you didn't specify it, you got recommends. It's our default. |
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[07:21] <scientes_> ahh ok, tons of worthless stuff |
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[07:21] <scientes_> as i suspenected |
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[07:21] <scientes_> it was alrady installing when i was like O shi... i forgot |
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[07:21] <infinity> Heh. Oh well, not world-ending. :P |
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[07:22] <infinity> The only place where we actually have no-install-recommends in the apt config is our buildd chroots. |
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[07:22] <infinity> For obvious reasons. |
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[07:22] <scientes_> i have added it to apt.conf.d so many times..... |
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[07:22] <scientes_> I also forgot to use my apt-cacher-ng..... |
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[07:22] <krosswindz> infinity: I was trying to install using net boot to USB drive |
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[07:23] <krosswindz> kernel fails to install |
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[07:23] <krosswindz> any way to check the log over serial console? |
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[07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: Weird. It definitely shouldn't. |
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[07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: It logs to syslog. |
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[07:23] <infinity> krosswindz: But I'm about to head out. You might try poking GrueMaster tomorrow about it, he netinstalls all day, every day. |
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[07:24] <krosswindz> lol k |
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[07:24] <krosswindz> if I want to check syslog |
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[07:24] <krosswindz> is there any way over serial console |
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[07:24] <krosswindz> I would have to quit installer right? |
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[07:25] <infinity> If you're still in d-i, you can hit any "go back" button, and then scroll down to "start a terminal" |
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[07:25] <infinity> Or "spawn a shell" or something like that. I forget the exact wording. |
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[07:25] <scientes_> or just switch to another virtual console with ctrl-shift...(if not on serial console) |
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[07:25] <krosswindz> ok |
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[07:26] <krosswindz> let me check that |
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[07:26] <infinity> Anyhow. I'm heading out. Good luck. |
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[07:26] <scientes_> ctrl-shift-f1, f2 |
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[07:26] <infinity> scientes_: Yeah, he's on serial. |
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[07:26] <krosswindz> infinity: thanks for the help |
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[07:27] <infinity> krosswindz: It could just be something as simple as the d-i images being out of sync with the archive or something. We're all back to work on Monday, if you find actual bugs we should fix. :P |
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[07:27] <krosswindz> scientes_: I am on serial console so no virtual terminals |
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[07:27] <infinity> krosswindz: But I suspect GrueMaster can help you tomorrow. He's often around and bored. |
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[07:27] <krosswindz> infinity: I will pick on him tomorrow if he is around when I am on |
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[07:27] <scientes_> krosswindz, you can see i realized that above |
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[07:28] <krosswindz> scientes_: sorry tryin to multi task between my laptop and the serial console :p |
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[07:29] <scientes_> krosswindz, what device is this? |
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[07:29] <krosswindz> scientes_: pandaboard |
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[07:30] <krosswindz> scientes_: got it like 2 weeks back |
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[07:30] <krosswindz> scientes_: had to wait till this week because my serial cable wasnt working |
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[07:30] <scientes_> exciting! |
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[07:31] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah |
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[07:32] <scientes_> I'm looking at getting a cubox/d2plug---just ordered a mino 720 USB-*only* touchscreen for my sheevaplug |
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[07:32] <krosswindz> nice |
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[07:34] <scientes_> you should check out the rasperry pi |
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[07:34] <scientes_> $25/ $35 |
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[07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah I have looked at it |
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[07:35] <scientes_> wont run ubuntu however, only debian armel |
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[07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: I wish it had an otg port |
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[07:35] <scientes_> what is otg? |
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[07:35] <krosswindz> scientes_: I got the panda because I wanted a USB otg port |
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[07:35] <krosswindz> USB port that can behave either like usb slave or usb host |
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[07:36] <scientes_> hmm, reading the wikipedia page is a bit overwhelming |
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[07:37] <scientes_> the cubox/d2plug has a cdc enabled hdmi port |
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[07:37] <scientes_> so that the remote of a cdc hdmi TV can control the computer |
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[07:37] <scientes_> and visa-versa |
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[07:38] <krosswindz> scientes_: cool |
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[07:38] <krosswindz> scientes_: you can use it as media player then |
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[07:39] <scientes_> IIRC they can even power on each-other |
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[07:41] <gildean> didn't newest hdmi-version include stuff like ethernet in there too? |
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[07:41] <gildean> the standard that is, not the devices you're talking about |
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[07:42] <scientes_> display port is suppose to supplant hdmi...... |
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[07:43] <krosswindz> gildean: scientes_ display port doesnt have cec |
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[07:43] <scientes_> gildean, I really don't know, but i am sure it would be on the wikipedia page |
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[07:43] <krosswindz> gildean: yeah hdmi 1.4 also has ethernet |
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[07:43] <scientes_> dang |
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[07:43] <scientes_> hdmi is everything |
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[07:44] <scientes_> including evil DRM |
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[07:44] <scientes_> HEC Data+ (Optional, HDMI 1.4+ with Ethernet) |
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[07:45] <scientes_> geeze, compressed and decompressed |
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[07:46] <krosswindz> weird I am getting host unresolved for ports.ubuntu.com when the rest of the packages are downloaded from it |
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[07:46] <krosswindz> completely weird |
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[07:46] <scientes_> krosswindz, its downloading those packages in the chroot |
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[07:46] <scientes_> of /target |
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[07:46] <krosswindz> scientes_: yeah |
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[07:46] <scientes_> so its a differn't resolv.conf |
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[07:47] <krosswindz> hmm |
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[07:47] <krosswindz> probably the netboot installer is broken |
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[07:47] <krosswindz> let me try an older version of the netboot installer |
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[07:48] <scientes_> just the kernel install? |
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[07:48] <scientes_> well, i don't have that hardware, on the sheevaplug, i have to-date managed the kernel seperately |
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[07:49] <krosswindz> yeah just the kernel install |
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[07:49] <scientes_> even though there is (now, not when i first installed) a linux-image-kirkwood package |
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[07:50] <scientes_> oh wait, its cause I wanted to install to the NAND flash, rather than a SD card |
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[07:50] <scientes_> how many writes do you get on flash before it peels over? |
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[07:51] <krosswindz> not sure |
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[07:51] <krosswindz> typically these days 100K write cycles |
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[07:52] <krosswindz> not sure |
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[07:52] <krosswindz> 100K is for flash media |
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[07:52] <krosswindz> may be nand has significantly less |
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[07:52] <scientes_> it seems that turning of compression in logrotate really isn't supported |
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[07:53] <scientes_> i get syslog, syslog.1, syslog.1.gz, syslog.2, syslog2.gz |
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[07:53] <scientes_> its a mess |
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[07:53] <scientes_> cause ubifs already has zlib compression so it is pointless |
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[07:54] <scientes_> especially cause it cause another write, cause it changes the file rather than just rename it |
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[08:22] <scientes_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/829783/ |
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[08:22] <scientes_> ^^^^gcc error |
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[08:24] <scientes_> gcc claims it has a bug |
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[08:24] <scientes_> /home/build/opencpn/plugins/grib_pi/src/grib.cpp:2193:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
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[08:29] <krosswindz> is this on native |
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[08:29] <krosswindz> or cross build |
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[08:30] <krosswindz> calling it quits for tonight |
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[08:30] <scientes_> this is on qemu |
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[08:31] <scientes_> the next line after ctrl-c was "The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem. |
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[08:31] <scientes_> " |
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[08:31] <scientes_> so i posted it to #qemu on irc.oftc |
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[08:31] <scientes_> neways good night |
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[08:46] <scientes_> hmm, didn't put that out a second time---could just be cause the place where i ctrl-c'ed |
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[10:33] <morphis> infinity: ping |
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[11:54] <lilstevie> krosswindz, given NAND is usually what SDCards are made of it should be the same |
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[17:48] <Person987> Two questions: I'm a noob to pandaboard and I have ubuntu working nicely on an 8gig SD card now. Is there a way I can duplicate this SD card so I have a backup of the entire "system" |
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[17:49] <Person987> Second, can I copy it to a USB thumb drive and run off of that? |
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[17:53] <mythos> Person987, dd if=<sdcard-device> | gzip > backup.gz |
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[17:54] <mythos> restore the card: zcat backup.gz > <sdcard-device> |
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[17:55] <mythos> <sdcard-device> is something like /dev/mmc... |
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[17:56] <mythos> search for it with fdisk -l |
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[18:44] <pr_oc> i have been fighting with ubuntu on my gumstix/overo earth for a few days now, so any help is appreciated. Currently i'm stuck on getting any USB wifi card to work. I keep running into walls trying to build the manufacturer drivers, and am almost out of space on my 2gb SD card. what kernel should i be running? |
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[18:55] <dioxin__> pr_oc: I made progress when I used the 12.04 dev build |
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[18:56] <pr_oc> how did you build your initial root filesystem? |
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[18:56] <pr_oc> i've found a bunch of different procedures |
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[18:56] <pr_oc> chances are i choose poorly, because i'm missing just about every troubleshooting utility. i'm now running out of space because of all the apt-gets i've done :-) |
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[18:57] <dioxin__> I'm using a Pandaboard with 8 or 16Gb SD cards |
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[18:57] <dioxin__> so I'm hitting a space issue |
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[18:57] <dioxin__> I'm NOT* |
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[18:58] <pr_oc> yeah just saw those boards |
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[18:58] <pr_oc> makes me wish i could swap this gumstix setup for that |
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[18:58] <dioxin__> I'm building my initial fs system using the images off the Pandaboard wiki |
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[18:59] <dioxin__> if you have a 2nd system, maybe you could download the vmlinuz and initrg.img + the modules directory and just copy them onto the gumtix SD card |
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[19:00] <dioxin__> (its kinda what I've done to get round an issue I had |
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[19:00] <pr_oc> i might end up doing that |
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[19:00] <pr_oc> i'm so close to my goal that i'd hate to start over |
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[19:10] <carli2> hi |
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[19:10] <carli2> I have a omap3 beagleboard |
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[19:10] <carli2> with the 11.10 release, usb mouse and keyboard did not work |
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[19:10] <carli2> is that issue known? |
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[21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: are you around? |
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[21:01] <GrueMaster> maybe... |
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[21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: infinity asked me to pick your brain |
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[21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I am having trouble with the netboot image |
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[21:01] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I am trying to install precise on an external usb drive |
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[21:02] <GrueMaster> Yea, there is a bug, we think in resolfconf |
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[21:02] <GrueMaster> resolvconf. |
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[21:02] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: when it goes to install the kernel I get an error at that time only for the kernel unable to resolve |
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[21:02] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: any work around |
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[21:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does the oneiric netboot work? |
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[21:03] <GrueMaster> The only workaround I have is to pull up the install log, and look for the apt-get install line just before the failure. It will be a "can't resolv <mirror>" error. |
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[21:03] <GrueMaster> Then you can chroot target /bin/bash and atp-get install the packages manually. |
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[21:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: yes ports.ubuntu.com |
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[21:04] <GrueMaster> Oneiric should still work. |
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[21:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: Oneiric would be armel, would there be any way I can upgrade from Oneiric armel to Precise armhf then |
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[21:04] <GrueMaster> Not that I know of. |
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[21:05] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: you suggest I use the fb image then and not serial console |
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[21:05] <GrueMaster> The preinstalled images should still work, but they are more of a challenge to get installed on usb. It is doable, just difficult. |
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[21:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: netboot would be easier using fb image then |
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[21:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: after I chroot and install the kernel I can continue with the installers next step right? |
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[21:07] <GrueMaster> That would be irrelevant. resolvconf isbroken during install. |
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[21:07] <GrueMaster> yes, but you will still need to bounce back into the chroot to manually pull packages. |
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[21:07] <krosswindz> ok |
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[21:08] <GrueMaster> It is doable. I did it. It just takes a while. |
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[21:08] <krosswindz> does the external usb install use any special uboot image |
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[21:09] <krosswindz> I was wondering if I could install on the sd card then copy over the root filesystem and modify the boot.script and change it to boot from USB |
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[21:10] <GrueMaster> That's what I did prior to netboot support. |
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[21:10] <krosswindz> that should work then |
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[21:10] <GrueMaster> I "may" have a temporary solution. Trying it now. Give me a few minutes. |
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[21:10] <krosswindz> ok |
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[21:10] <krosswindz> sweet |
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[21:10] <krosswindz> I will be around |
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[21:18] <GrueMaster> YEA! Success! |
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[21:18] <GrueMaster> Ok,here's the steps: |
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[21:18] <krosswindz> aweomse, can I try it :p |
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[21:19] <GrueMaster> select "execute shell" |
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[21:19] <GrueMaster> chroot target /bin/bash |
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[21:19] <krosswindz> ok |
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[21:19] <GrueMaster> dpkg --force-all --remove resolvconf # ignore errors |
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[21:20] <GrueMaster> apt-get install resolvconf # ignore errors |
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[21:20] <GrueMaster> exit back to menu |
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[21:20] <GrueMaster> run select software (default selection from where it left off). |
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[21:21] <krosswindz> ok |
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[21:21] <krosswindz> thats its? |
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[21:21] <krosswindz> it* |
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[21:21] <krosswindz> I just fired the netboot again |
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[21:21] <krosswindz> will report back in a bit |
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[21:22] <dioxin> With the Ubuntu Server images (11.10) what is the effect of the various Live CD options from the install options? |
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[21:23] <GrueMaster> dioxin: ??? |
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[21:23] <GrueMaster> We only have preinstalled images for arm. |
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[21:24] <dioxin> GrueMaster: I've done the 11.10 server image, and I'm at the "Choose software to install" stage |
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[21:24] <dioxin> I get options for different live CD's |
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[21:24] <GrueMaster> Oh, that. I don't know what the live cd selections are. |
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[21:25] <dioxin> ok, well here goes nothing ;) |
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[21:26] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does precise also need the 72 MiB fat32 partition that is not mounted but has the boot flag on? |
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[21:27] <GrueMaster> That is on SD, right? That is where u-boot boots from. Keep it. |
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[21:27] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: on the USB drive |
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[21:28] <GrueMaster> Interesting. I've never seen that on Panda. |
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[21:28] <GrueMaster> But then I use a preseed. |
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[21:29] <krosswindz> dioxin: I remember seeing that as well it is before the actual install starts |
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[21:29] <krosswindz> dioxin: I think I chose the first option which was to install a base system I dont remember |
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[21:30] <dioxin> previously I've chosen Base-Server-Install and OpenSSH and its worked |
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[21:30] <dioxin> I'm now trying lubuntu live cd option as well |
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[21:33] <krosswindz> I am not sure what it does |
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[21:34] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: the size of fat32 partition on SD card is 32M, I think thats what is the size in netboot image |
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[21:34] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: should I resize it once the install is done? |
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[21:34] <GrueMaster> Nah, that sould be enough. |
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[21:35] <GrueMaster> It only needs to hold MLO, u-boot.bin, and backups of uImage, uInitrd, and boot.scr |
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[21:35] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: thanks |
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[21:36] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its installing the base system now, my net connection is slow atm because its sunday and everyone in my apt complex is at home |
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[21:37] <GrueMaster> Heh. Understand. |
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[21:37] <GrueMaster> That's why I have my own mirror at home. |
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[21:41] <dioxin> how big is the repository? it is feasible to mirror it at home? |
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[21:42] <GrueMaster> Not too big if you only pull armhf. I have all of arm (no sources) and it is ~350G (I think, haven'tchecked my server lately). |
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[21:43] <GrueMaster> That is all of arm (armel, armhf) and also contains all pools (main, restricted, multiverse, universe). |
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[21:43] <dioxin> including 10.10 through to 12.04? |
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[21:45] <GrueMaster> Yes. Actually, it appears to be 255G on my mirror. |
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[21:45] <GrueMaster> (I also have all images since UDS - that's why I thought it was more). |
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[21:46] <dioxin> I've got a spare ATOM box with a 1 TB drive attached... hmmm ;) |
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[21:46] <dioxin> (and luckily I've a 100 meg internet connection ;) |
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[21:47] <dioxin> does Ubuntu Support Beagle Bone as well? |
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[21:47] <GrueMaster> I use ubumirror to do the mirroring. Ubuports (the script that mirrors ports.ubuntu.com) runs every 2 hours. |
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[21:47] <GrueMaster> I think so. I don't have one to try. |
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[21:47] <dioxin> I get one Tuesday I think |
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[21:48] <GrueMaster> cool. |
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[21:49] <GrueMaster> If it boots the same as the beagexm, it will just work. |
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[21:49] <krosswindz> moment of truth |
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[21:50] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its redoing the basesystem install |
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[21:50] <dioxin> I might have to pick your brains in a couple of days on how to do the repo mirror |
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[21:50] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: that is normal. |
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[21:50] <krosswindz> dioxin: check apt-mirror |
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[21:50] <GrueMaster> dioxin: I'll pastebin my ubumirror.conf when you are ready. |
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[21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: awesome its asking me to chose the kernel this time |
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[21:51] <dioxin> I need to reinstall the ATOM as well along with recieve the board and other toys :D |
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[21:51] <krosswindz> i select linux-omap4 |
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[21:51] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: apt-mirror doesn't get the udebs and other stuff needed for netboot. |
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[21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: aah ok |
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[21:51] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: It installed the kernel, thanks for the help :p |
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[21:51] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: The kernel questions are a good sign. |
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[21:52] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: its configuring apt now |
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[21:52] <dioxin> GrueMaster: is it possible to build the entire ubuntu from source? |
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[21:52] <GrueMaster> excellent |
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[21:52] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: does precise kernel still have the 1G issue where compiler segfaults? |
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[21:52] <GrueMaster> yes, but it takes a long time. |
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[21:53] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I want to build stuff natively |
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[21:53] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: No, that was fixed. |
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[21:54] <dioxin> is compiling i/o or computation intensive? |
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[21:54] <GrueMaster> We are in the process of rebuilding the pool. I think it will take a week or two with a pool of pandas. |
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[21:54] <krosswindz> dioxin: both |
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[21:54] <GrueMaster> dioxin: Both. The Panda is the fastest we currently have, but IO is slow. |
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[21:55] <dioxin> how many Panda in the pool? |
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[21:55] <GrueMaster> We hope to get some 4 core arm servers soon, but they probably won't be building until well into 12.10. |
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[21:55] <GrueMaster> Not sure. 16 I think. |
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[21:56] <GrueMaster> It takes something like 12 hours to build libreOffice. |
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[21:58] <krosswindz> wow on the pool of pandas or just one? |
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[21:58] <krosswindz> quad core arms are they omaps or tegra? |
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[21:58] <GrueMaster> Just one. We don't use distcc |
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[21:59] <GrueMaster> Tegra 3 is 5 core, but they are limited availability. |
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[21:59] <GrueMaster> Not sure what omap5 will be or when it comes out. |
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[21:59] <GrueMaster> Calxeda is the exiting one. Check out their announcement. |
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[22:00] <krosswindz> I read omap5 would be quad core |
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[22:00] <krosswindz> with like 2GHz core |
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[22:00] <GrueMaster> that will be cool. |
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[22:01] <krosswindz> let me try to find that article |
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[22:02] <krosswindz> http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/21777-omap-5-is-quad-core-28nm-in-2012 |
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[22:03] <krosswindz> cortex a15 |
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[22:03] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: installation complete rebooting now |
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[22:03] <GrueMaster> Double cool. A15 will support kvm. |
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[22:03] <GrueMaster> krosswindz: Excellent! |
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[22:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I have login prompt over serial console |
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[22:04] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: thanks a lot for your help |
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[22:05] <GrueMaster> glad I could help. Hopefully this willbe fixed next week. |
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[22:06] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I can for now get rid of all the archive.ubuntu.com entries from sources.list right |
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[22:06] <krosswindz> and security.ubuntu.com as well? |
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[22:06] <GrueMaster> Yes, unless you want to install a source package. |
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[22:07] <krosswindz> I will install linux source for recompiling it |
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[22:07] <GrueMaster> security.ubuntu.com is a bug. All updates are on ports.ubuntu.com |
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[22:07] <krosswindz> ok |
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[22:08] <GrueMaster> I have to run. Need to get ready for superbowl. |
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[23:11] <krosswindz> GrueMaster: you around? |
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[23:11] <krosswindz> aah now I see you are off to watch superbowl |
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