| [04:46] <Darkwing> how stable is Pangolin at this point? | |
| [04:48] <ScottK> Precise, apparently. | |
| [04:51] <Darkwing> hehehe | |
| [04:52] <Darkwing> I normally install at Alpha2 | |
| [04:52] <Darkwing> I'll run the live test and see how it's running. | |
| [04:52] <Darkwing> Once I'm done backing up my system. :) | |
| [04:53] <Darkwing> I need to get with you Scott on what all we do with QA for Kubuntu. | |
| [04:53] <Darkwing> apachelogger: ping | |
| [04:53] <Darkwing> oh wait... it's like 4a there. | |
| [04:56] <ScottK> We just upload stuff and then see if people complain, right? | |
| [04:57] <ScottK> No, not here, it's just going on midnight. | |
| [04:57] <ScottK> Oh, apachelogger, More like 5 or 6. | |
| [04:57] <Darkwing> LOL | |
| [04:58] <Darkwing> Yeah... we shoudl prolly do something more then upload and react. | |
| [04:59] <ScottK> You should find us some QA and bug triaging minions. | |
| [05:00] <Darkwing> Yeah. I should. Seeing that all I do is community and docs. | |
| [05:00] <Darkwing> Would be good for me to get deeper in something. | |
| [05:01] <ScottK> Seems like QA/triage would be good places to go from there. | |
| [05:01] <ScottK> ISO testing is the thing this week. | |
| [05:01] <Darkwing> Yeah, I saw that. I'm going to start testing. | |
| [05:02] <Darkwing> I need to get a good system for ISO testing. | |
| [05:02] <Darkwing> Not computer system but, work style system | |
| [06:46] <Darkwing> I must say... 12.04 and KDE 4.8 is sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | |
| [06:47] <Darkwing> It feels more polished and snappy | |
| [06:47] <Darkwing> have a couple of bugs to file with my ISO test though. | |
| === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino | |
| [09:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you let telepathy-qt4 out of new? thanks | |
| [09:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: let me do that | |
| [09:40] <shadeslayer> okay :) | |
| [09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: accepted | |
| [09:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's your next move? | |
| [09:45] <shadeslayer> \o/ | |
| [09:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Looking at outdated debian packaging and seeing what can be done | |
| [09:46] <shadeslayer> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/ pkg-kde/kde-extras/telepathy-kde/* | |
| [09:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "February 16th" "FeatureFreeze" there's your deadline to have it in main and replace kopete! (which may or may not be suitable) | |
| [09:48] <shadeslayer> :D | |
| [09:49] <Riddell> I wonder if we can do kubuntu active by then too. probably not. | |
| [09:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are we following ubuntu in the ISO size? | |
| [09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that needs a decision too. I would like to stay under 700MB but it needs some serious work and I might not be up to that | |
| [09:49] <Riddell> although we have until the end of april to do that | |
| [09:50] <shadeslayer> Likewise, but then if we go over 700 MB, then we can have both kopete and Telepathy and then kick kopete out in the next cycle | |
| [09:50] <Riddell> no, that's a very un-ubuntu thing to do | |
| [09:50] <shadeslayer> uh, okay | |
| [09:50] <Riddell> best programme for the function is the ubuntu thing to do | |
| [09:50] <Riddell> I made that mistake with juk and amarok in the first release :) | |
| [09:50] <shadeslayer> :) | |
| [09:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, will try and meet deadline | |
| [09:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it doesn't have to be bug free but it we should make that decision by FF | |
| [09:51] <shadeslayer> yup | |
| [10:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea how long it'll take to publish the tp-qt4 binaries? | |
| [10:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: an hour or two? | |
| [10:24] <Riddell> it's on a cron job and takes < an hour to run | |
| [10:24] <shadeslayer> hmm | |
| [10:25] <shadeslayer> time for battlestar galactica then :D | |
| [10:32] <Riddell> !testing | |
| [10:32] <ubottu> To test your hardware, you can use the packages memtest86+ (for memory, can be started from the !GRUB boot menu), smartmontools (for hard drives), cpuburn (which MIGHT damage your processor if cooling is not adequate!). Additionally, lm-sensors can be useful to monitor temperatures and fan speeds - See also !benchmark | |
| [10:32] <Riddell> umm | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: that's broken, can you sort? | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> !testers | |
| [10:33] <ubottu> Testing help needed in #kubuntu-devel ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147 | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> oh it's that one | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> ISOs to be tested ^^ | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> Tm_T: can you add James1479 to that, assuming he wants on ? | |
| [10:33] <Riddell> oh he's on already, never mind | |
| [10:33] <shadeslayer> will try tonight, assuming the ISO is under 700 Megs | |
| [10:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not | |
| [10:34] <shadeslayer> bleh, can't test then :( | |
| [10:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't you have writable DVDs or USB pens? | |
| [10:35] <shadeslayer> can't boot a USB Pendrive on my MBP, I'll try and arrange a re writable DVD this weekend | |
| [10:36] <Riddell> this weekend will be too late for alpha 2 but worth doing for future testing | |
| [11:09] <agateau> Riddell: hi, how do I get patches in qtcreator? do I have to push them to the git packaging branch? | |
| [11:16] <debfx> agateau: you can throw them at my direction. I want to update it to 2.4.1 anyway. | |
| [11:17] <debfx> only the debian package lives in that git branch | |
| [11:17] <agateau> debfx: ok great. is there an lp branch for the ubuntu package? | |
| [11:20] <debfx> agateau: no | |
| [11:21] <agateau> debfx: ok, just sent them to you by email | |
| [11:21] <agateau> for the record, I am waiting for my corporate contributor agreement on qtproject to be approved so that I can propose them upstream | |
| [11:22] * agateau fetchs food | |
| [11:28] <Riddell> agateau: I don't think there is a git packaging branch | |
| [11:28] <Riddell> that sounds like a Debian thing not ubuntu | |
| [11:28] <Riddell> so just find someone in ubuntu to check and upload it | |
| [11:28] <Riddell> and send the same to debian if it's relevant there | |
| === James1479 is now known as James147 | |
| [11:36] * James147 wonders when that changed :P | |
| [11:40] <Riddell> James147: the !testers factoid, Tm_T added it recently, feel free to moan to him if you don't want to be on it | |
| [11:41] <James147> Riddell: Don't mind helping out when I can :) | |
| [11:43] <Riddell> James147: ISO testing needing done now or today if you can spare a couple of hours | |
| [11:43] <James147> Riddell: sure | |
| [11:45] * James147 wonders if dpkg/apt-get supports pre-install/upgrade hooks of some sort... | |
| [12:06] <agateau> Riddell: I say there is a git packaging branch based on the Vcs-Git field in debian/control | |
| [12:06] <Riddell> that'll be debian, least hassle way it to just fix it in ubuntu and send diff to debian by bug tracker | |
| [12:06] <Riddell> unless debian packager is fabo | |
| [12:07] * Riddell out for an hour | |
| [12:07] <Riddell> more ISO testing needed :) | |
| [12:09] <James147> Riddell: what do I need to do for the ISO testing? | |
| === alvin_ is now known as alvin | |
| === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch | |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | |
| [13:27] <shadeslayer> :'( | |
| [13:27] <shadeslayer> so much copyright stuff in ktp-common-internals | |
| [13:35] <Riddell> James147: download an ISO, burn it, install it | |
| [13:35] <Riddell> it's a slow but necessary process | |
| [13:35] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com lists what is needed | |
| [13:36] <yofel> James147: dpkg supports pre-/post-install/-remove scripts for every package | |
| === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback | |
| [13:41] <Tm_T> best is when those pre-install scripts require certain version of some other app | |
| [13:41] <Tm_T> app/package | |
| [14:20] <BluesKaj> hi all | |
| [14:51] <Yuriy__> got leaky konqueror again with 4.8. anything to check before I kill it? | |
| [14:52] <Riddell> Yuriy__: no, you're at the "tell upstream" stage | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> bug report might be best | |
| [14:53] <Riddell> someone with time and knowledge would use valgrind | |
| [14:55] <Riddell> greyback: how did your dev week talk go yesterday? | |
| [14:57] <greyback> Riddell: I think it went ok. It's a hard sell after the exciting UbuntuTV talk, but I got some good questions and people seemed interested, so all good I hope | |
| [14:57] <Riddell> greyback: nice, sorry I missed it, I'll read the logs | |
| [14:58] <Yuriy__> that's odd, I seem to have 4.8 RC2 | |
| [14:58] <greyback> Riddell: no worries. I'm trying to write up a blog post about it now, which will be pretty similar ;) | |
| [14:59] <Riddell> Yuriy__: from Help -> About KDE? | |
| [14:59] <Yuriy__> yeah | |
| [14:59] <Riddell> I did a CD install now and it says 4.8.00 | |
| [15:00] <Yuriy__> packages are 4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1, but about says 4.7.97 (4.8 RC2) | |
| [15:00] <Riddell> Yuriy__: oh oneiric? | |
| [15:00] <Yuriy__> yeah | |
| [15:00] <Riddell> you don't have something installed and up to date? | |
| [15:01] <Riddell> I think I would have noticed an issue like that, but now I'm on precise | |
| [15:01] <Riddell> oh good virtualbox works again on precise, that'll help testing | |
| [15:03] <Yuriy__> version prolem only appears in konqueror. i'll log out to make sure I don't have something running out of date | |
| [15:05] <Yuriy__> oh even in konqueror "About konqueror" and "about KDE" show different versions | |
| [15:05] <Riddell> konq has its own version no | |
| [15:06] <Riddell> Yuriy__: maybe you are discovering that konq is badly maintained now | |
| [15:10] <Yuriy__> : ( | |
| [15:10] <Yuriy__> and looks like the lost display settings wasn't a one time thing | |
| [15:11] <Riddell> I've heard other people have that problem too | |
| [15:11] * ScottK waves. | |
| [15:12] <Yuriy__> oh maybe I needed to click save as default | |
| [15:14] <Yuriy__> nope that didn't do it | |
| [15:17] <Yuriy__> could the verson thing be a packaging bug or should I just report it upstream? | |
| [15:18] <Riddell> Yuriy__: more likely upstream | |
| [15:18] <Quintasan> Hiho | |
| [15:18] <Riddell> maybe it's a case of konq being compiled against old kdelibs | |
| [15:18] <Riddell> let me see | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> Yuriy__: precise About Konqueror says 4.8.0 so I think my theory is correct | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> a recompile will fix it | |
| [15:19] <Riddell> hi Quintasan | |
| [15:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you check if alioth is online? I can't access it for some reason (I know it was down yesterday) | |
| [15:20] <Riddell> the website? | |
| [15:20] <Riddell> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ works fine | |
| [15:31] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks | |
| [15:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it seems like it is possile to boot off the glx accel kernel on transformer with u-boot, imma going to try this | |
| [15:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: is the method independent of SBK version? | |
| [15:32] <shadeslayer> if so, please to link me to the instructions | |
| [15:33] <shadeslayer> and turns out they have a newer serial number as well | |
| [15:33] <shadeslayer> SB0KAS series | |
| [15:33] <shadeslayer> or something along that .... | |
| [15:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: No idea about the SBK, I think it still requires you to use nvflash | |
| [15:33] <shadeslayer> grrrr | |
| [15:34] <Quintasan> Can't you send back your tf and get a refund and buy one from Poland? xD | |
| [15:34] <shadeslayer> lilstevie hasn't been replying as well | |
| [15:34] <Quintasan> Well, one should blame either ASUS or NVidia for breaking the nvflash magic | |
| [15:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: lilstevie is usally around in #ubuntu-arm or #asus-transformer | |
| [15:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I know, but he hasn't replied to any of my queries on #ubuntu-arm | |
| [15:36] <shadeslayer> I guess he's busy with stuff | |
| [15:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: catch him now, I just finished talking to him | |
| [15:36] <shadeslayer> oh okay | |
| [16:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hah, he didn't reply so far :P | |
| [16:03] <shadeslayer> he's probably got me on /ignore or something by now xD | |
| [16:10] <shadeslayer> Uhm, anyone have a oneiric machine ? | |
| [16:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Yuriy__ does | |
| [16:18] <shadeslayer> Yuriy__: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly < Please test the Telepathy Qt4 package for oneiric | |
| [16:55] <apachelogger> Darkwing: do you have things in mind for QA? | |
| [16:55] <apachelogger> that is non-trivial anyway | |
| === koolhead17 is now known as koolhead17|zzZZ | |
| [18:08] <micahg> fun bug of the day: Bug #925002 | |
| [18:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 925002 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "Code of Conduct Violation in Kubuntu Package kpat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925002 | |
| [18:11] <Darkwing> apachelogger: if i d, | |
| [18:11] <Darkwing> if i do it should be upstream | |
| [18:12] <Darkwing> everything should be upstream | |
| [18:13] <Darkwing> qa in kubuntu should be testing. At that point (ISO) is when upatream joins ubuntu | |
| [18:15] <Darkwing> micahg: wow... | |
| [18:24] <Riddell> micahg: oh? | |
| [18:24] <Riddell> apachelogger or other native german speakers: opinion on bug 925002 ? | |
| [18:24] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 925002 in kdegames (Ubuntu) "Code of Conduct Violation in Kubuntu Package kpat" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925002 | |
| [18:27] <Darkwing> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigeuner | |
| [18:28] <Darkwing> it doesnt seem to mean what it used to. | |
| [18:30] <ScottK> I've asked a native German speaker for an opinion. | |
| [18:34] <Riddell> 18:30 < Sho_> Riddell: It's not really a racial slur in everyday colloquial use, so not really comparable to "nigger", but it is a word with a storied history that may be worth avoiding in a translation indeed | |
| [18:34] <Riddell> worth fixing if we can find a better translation | |
| [18:34] <micahg> upstream is discussing on their i18n list | |
| [18:37] <Darkwing> tag it reported and discussions upstream and close it in LP. | |
| [18:37] <yofel> Darkwing: re Q/A, we still need triaging of our bugs - upstream bugs should go upstream ofc. | |
| [18:38] <yofel> as for the translation Sho is pretty much right, although the interpretation depends on where you live too and how it's being used in that region | |
| [18:38] <Riddell> apparantly it's a translation for the game "gypsy" | |
| [18:38] <yofel> ok, I would've translated that the same on first guess | |
| [18:39] <Darkwing> yofel: im trying to find a way to give guidance on lp on all of our packages to report upstream | |
| [18:39] <Darkwing> much like ubiquity dous when you report there | |
| [18:40] <yofel> Darkwing: you know of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses ? | |
| [18:40] <yofel> Riddell: and as I thought, "Zigeuner" is the correct german translation for "gypsy" | |
| [18:41] <yofel> so I tend to agree with the translator, but let's see what they decide | |
| [18:42] <ScottK> Riddell: Here's what I got when I asked: "I think free speech is important, but in the German social context the term "Zigeuner" clearly is a vehicle of negative prejudice against the Roma people, and Roma typically find it offensive. I just looked at the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and it seems that this should not be allowed. Then again, the game could be satire of the same mindset that likes to use the term "Zigeuner", and then I could see having | |
| [18:42] <ScottK> it. I mean, it could be a parody of that mindset. But it probably isn't. I have no idea if "Zigeuner" is a racial slur, because technically there are no races within Homo sapiens, but most people don't get that, so it might still be a racial slur in an imaginary sense. Not much more I can say about it." | |
| [18:45] <Riddell> a game name isn't a suitable place for satire | |
| [18:45] <Darkwing> Then again, much like Scotch Tape could be a racial slur in a term. (See Riddell, I remembered) | |
| [18:45] <yofel> Darkwing: and just by the way, if you plan on doing QA, it would be worth to join #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-testing just so you get to know the other qa folks | |
| [18:45] <Riddell> Darkwing: yes but that doesn't have such social problems historically, scots were never massacred by a fascist government | |
| [18:45] <yofel> if you plan to do triaging you should eventually get into ubuntu bug control anyway | |
| [18:45] <Darkwing> Riddell: True, | |
| [18:46] <Darkwing> yofel: Thanks. | |
| [18:46] <Darkwing> yofel: I think what apachelogger and I had talked about was getting Kubuntu users to file all bugs upstream then handpicking the ones that belonged in LP. | |
| [18:47] <yofel> I'm not sure if the upstream triagers will like that | |
| [18:47] <Darkwing> 99.9% of our bugs belong upstream. | |
| [18:48] <yofel> not that much, but it's still the question on how you'll get them to file them upstream | |
| [18:49] <yofel> we already have all kde bug reporting options on | |
| [18:49] <debfx> why don't we let the german ubuntu translation team deal with that bug? | |
| [18:49] <debfx> we (as in packagers) don't even have the permission to change translations | |
| [18:50] <ScottK> debfx: Because generally the last thing we want to be doing is encouraging Ubuntu translators to "Fix" KDE translations. | |
| [18:50] <yofel> Darkwing: sure, we *could* add an apport hook to all packages that tells them to go upstream, but I'm not sure if that's something we want to maintain | |
| [18:51] <Darkwing> yofel: That's why I was trying to figure something out at the LP level | |
| [18:51] <ScottK> Apport shouldn't be firing on KDE apps anyway. | |
| [18:52] <yofel> well, it will still work if people run like 'ubuntu-bug plasma-desktop' as they're used from ubuntu | |
| [18:54] <debfx> ScottK: then add a comment saying just that to the bug and reassign it | |
| [18:55] <ScottK> I think we ought to figure out what we want and then if upstream declines to fix it, patch i18n. | |
| [18:56] <Darkwing> I agree... | |
| [18:58] <Riddell> ScottK: hopefully sho has a plan to come up with an answer | |
| [18:58] <ScottK> Yes. | |
| [19:02] <BluesKaj> anyone having issues with slow loading of files , when ssh'd into a lan or remote pc ? | |
| [19:03] <BluesKaj> sfpt is much faster , which shouldn't be | |
| [19:03] <BluesKaj> sftp | |
| [19:08] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hmm, it's a bit slow here as well, but mostly because I have very low bandwidth | |
| === ferai is now known as jefferai | |
| [19:11] <Darkwing> KMail in KDE 4.8 still hates IMAP boxes over 10K emails. | |
| [19:12] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, it used to be very quick until kde 4.8 installed on this pc, the lan pc is still on 4.7.4 | |
| [19:14] <BluesKaj> the Lan pc is also on 12.04 and something else came down the pipe to slow it down | |
| [19:15] <BluesKaj> couI guess | |
| [19:17] <ScottK> Darkwing: I've got one with over 15K that's fine on 4.7.4. | |
| [19:17] <ScottK> Using DIMAP however. | |
| [19:18] <yofel> my mail folder itself works fine in kmail, but I still can't use the right trash folder | |
| [19:19] <Darkwing> ScottK: im going to keep wing at it. i hate hate hate thunderbird. | |
| [19:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, t-bird works fine here , kmail hasn't worked prerly for me since they tied it akonadi and kontact , I fail to see the resaon why that was done . akonadi is basically useless to us home users. | |
| [19:22] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel, debfx: that is a kde bug and quite frankly I don't see how it has anything to do with the coc | |
| [19:22] <apachelogger> the coc defines inter-community relationships | |
| [19:23] <apachelogger> all that said, the bug itself is rather silly as that is what the game is called not a reference to people | |
| [19:28] <Darkwing> apachelogger: I would agree with you. But, I don't think it should just be closed without a comment on where it stands. | |
| [19:42] <BluesKaj> also my HP printer isn't recognized as the default printer and the notifier gives the the "may not be connected" message | |
| [19:53] <apachelogger> there is drunken people sining outside my window | |
| [19:53] * apachelogger ponders throwing his printer out | |
| [19:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: You should come inside. | |
| [19:54] <ScottK> Oh. Wait. You meant someone else. | |
| [19:54] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InXVyUMMjps | |
| [19:54] * apachelogger waves fist int he general direction of ScottK | |
| [19:54] * ScottK saw apachelogger mention drunk and jumped to the logical, but in this case, wrong conclusion. | |
| [19:55] * apachelogger hasn't had a drop since saturday :( | |
| [19:56] <maco> <ScottK> it. I mean, it could be a parody of that mindset. But it probably isn't. I have no idea if "Zigeuner" is a racial slur, because technically there are no races within Homo sapiens, but most people don't get that, so it might still be a racial slur in an imaginary sense. Not much more I can say about it." <-- would they prefer "ethnic slur"? | |
| [19:57] <ScottK> That wasn't me, that was from a native German speaker I know. | |
| [19:57] <ScottK> Probably. | |
| [19:57] <maco> hence they not you | |
| [19:57] <ScottK> Right, missed the bit at the end at first. | |
| [20:01] * shadeslayer had whiskey for the first time ever yesterday | |
| [20:01] <shadeslayer> better than beer if I may say so ... | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> also, ktp-common-internals uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly | |
| [20:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^ | |
| [20:05] <yofel> debfx: could you review oxygen-gtk3 in ninjas when you have time? | |
| [20:06] <apachelogger> maco: actually IIRC zigeuner was originally a social term refering to people who live "on the road", only through the nutzis it got an ethnic drift | |
| [20:07] <apachelogger> and about that comment WRT to no races within homo sapiens ... there were between 193* and 1945, proofing my point about messed up meaning from above without having to digg through a tediously long wikipedia article ^^ | |
| [20:24] <debfx> yofel: do you want me to upload it? | |
| [20:24] <yofel> if it's ok, go ahead | |
| [20:24] <yofel> thanks | |
| [20:25] <debfx> yofel: it doesn't still the theme to a multiarch location | |
| [20:26] <debfx> other than that it looks fine | |
| [20:26] <debfx> I guess CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX_INITIALIZED_TO_DEFAULT needs to be set | |
| [20:28] <yofel> where did you get that from? | |
| [20:29] <debfx> from the oxygen gtk2 package | |
| [20:29] <yofel> ah, ok, my error | |
| [20:30] <debfx> ok, uploaded | |
| [20:30] <yofel> did you add it? | |
| [20:30] <debfx> yep | |
| [20:31] <yofel> k | |
| [20:34] <debfx> hm dpkg-shlibdeps says "contains an unresolvable reference to symbol _ZNK6Oxygen12TreeViewData19updateColumnsCursorEv" | |
| [20:37] <debfx> that's a bug | |
| [20:48] <yofel> thanks for filing that | |
| [20:58] <debfx> yofel: have you found another way to set the gtk3 theme except that xsettings-kde thing? | |
| [20:58] <debfx> oh, we already have that in the archive | |
| [20:58] <yofel> only that and the ini file so far | |
| [20:58] <debfx> how convenient | |
| [20:58] <yofel> I'm a bit stuck in exams right now | |
| [20:59] <yofel> the version we have is older than what fedora has, but it might still work | |
| [21:04] <debfx> I wonder what else xsettings-kde does | |
| [21:04] <apachelogger> xsettings ^^ | |
| [21:04] <apachelogger> single most funny thing ever invented | |
| [21:04] <apachelogger> right after sl maybe | |
| [21:05] <yofel> I don't particulary like that solution, but as long as I don't know what lubuntu and xubuntu do it's better than the ini file | |
| [21:07] * yofel pokes in #xubuntu-devel | |
| [21:10] <rdieter> yofel: we/fedora went with using xsettings-kde as the least bad solution too. in a perfect world, there's be a *lot* more harmonizing between oxygen-gtk*, xsettings-kde, kcm-gtk (some day maybe). | |
| [21:12] <yofel> my problem with xsettings is that it doesn't make a difference between gtk2 and 3. But yeah, currently it might be the best solution | |
| [21:12] <rdieter> the non-difference is gnome's problem. they do not distingish gtk2/gtk3 :( | |
| [21:18] <debfx> yofel: xfce4-settings seems to contain an xsettings daemon | |
| [21:19] <yofel> k, guess we'll go with that then | |
| [21:19] <debfx> rdieter: what else does xsettings-kde do? or have you disabled the other parts? | |
| [21:22] <rdieter> debfx: I'm not intimately familiar with it (Kevin_Kofler is our goto guy). I believe it can share preferences for fonts, color scheme, icon theme too, probably more. | |
| [21:32] <debfx> ok, let's hope it doesn't make things worse | |
| [21:33] <debfx> ScottK, Riddell: oxygen gtk3 is in the NEW queue in case you have some time to review it | |
| [21:52] <apachelogger> yofel: my problem with xsettings is that it is xsettings | |
| [21:53] <apachelogger> now what if we switch to wayland | |
| [21:56] <yofel> well, problem is that gnome really doesn't care about how well gtk is configurable outside of gnome | |
| [21:57] <yofel> they provided an ini file and think it's sufficient | |
| [22:07] <apachelogger> yofel: why is it not? | |
| [22:07] <apachelogger> we could always haxx0r the GTK ^^ | |
| [22:07] <yofel> well, feel free to add GTK3_RC_FILES. I'm not good enough at C for that | |
| [22:07] <apachelogger> env var? | |
| [22:08] <apachelogger> I was more thinking along sane KDE integration :P | |
| [22:08] <apachelogger> envrionment is weird anyway | |
| [22:08] <yofel> well, true | |
| [22:08] <apachelogger> yofel: but really, why do we need that env var anyway? | |
| [22:08] <apachelogger> like why do we not change the ini? | |
| [22:09] <yofel> dunno. I mean I'm fine with the ini file. But that'll potentially mess with other dektop environments which we haven't done till now | |
| [22:09] <yofel> I haven't had time to test this enough yet | |
| [22:09] <apachelogger> well | |
| [22:09] <apachelogger> does one not have to do the same thing when Qt should use the GTK compatibiltiy theme engine thing? | |
| [22:10] <yofel> the ini file would be less messy than xsettings IMO, but will require a bit of a kcm-gtk rewrite | |
| [22:11] <apachelogger> QString QGuiPlatformPlugin::styleName() | |
| [22:11] <apachelogger> oh | |
| [22:11] <apachelogger> perhaps Qt actually autoswitches to GTK style in a gnome session | |
| [22:11] <apachelogger> smart | |
| [22:11] * apachelogger actually thought of a similar technique for GTK | |
| [22:12] <yofel> well, Qt does it properly. Gtk does not -.- | |
| [22:12] <apachelogger> well, that would not be too difficult | |
| [22:13] <apachelogger> getenv("DESKTOP_SESSION") ... strcmp(,"KDE") ... read ~/.kgtkrc ... set theme engine accordingly | |
| [22:14] <apachelogger> just need to find the right spot in GTK to do it | |
| [22:14] <apachelogger> for which I have no motivation | |
| [22:14] <apachelogger> someone find a gtk fanboi to implement my supreme algorithm :P | |
| [22:24] <apachelogger> oh my this code is scary | |
| [22:59] <amichair> afiestas: you've offered to help with bug 289760 ? I'm having it since I upgraded to kde 4.8. What info do u need? | |
| [22:59] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 289760 in language-pack-fr-base (Ubuntu) "[Ibex] language-pack-fr-base - Depends: language-pack-fr but it is not going to be installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289760 | |
| [22:59] <amichair> oops... that is, http://bugs.kde.org/289760 | |
| [22:59] <ubottu> KDE bug 289760 in general "powerdevil 4 8 RC1: does not react on lid close events due to policies" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | |
| [23:49] <afiestas> amichair_: yes ! | |
| [23:49] <afiestas> would be awesome if we can debug it, I tried to reproduce in 3 computes with 3 different environments and gpu and I couldnt :/ | |
| [23:54] <yofel> note: works fine here (T510 - nvidia quadro nvs 3100m) | |
| [23:54] <yofel> (powerdevil) | |
| [23:55] <yofel> precise | |
| [23:59] <yofel> same on my eeePC (intel 945GME, precise) | |