| [00:29] <penguin42> I seem to remember someone saying ~1 week ago that a new X server was imminent - how imminent is it? | |
| [00:29] <jtaylor> its in staging | |
| [00:31] <penguin42> what version is it? I ask because I've got a bug that I'm told is fixed in upstream (although I'm not sure which upstream that actually is) | |
| [00:31] <jtaylor> 1.11 + input stack from 1.12 | |
| [00:31] <jtaylor> (no idea what that means, its just what I read in the mail) | |
| [00:32] <jtaylor> you can test now here: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-x/+archive/x-staging | |
| [00:33] <penguin42> ah, that's a pity - it's got the same version of the one I was interested in - the -qxl driver | |
| [00:38] <penguin42> hmm I wonder why Serge hasn't made a build of that; he's attached a debdiff to the bug and sent the patch up to debian | |
| [01:22] <edgy> hi | |
| [01:22] <edgy> $ mkdir test && cd test && touch a && du . a | |
| [01:22] <edgy> 12 . | |
| [01:22] <edgy> why I am not getting the usage of a? | |
| [08:08] <frimind> hi, is there anyone | |
| [08:08] <frimind> ? | |
| [08:09] <frimind> nope :D | |
| [08:48] <Fudge> lost here is this right .bashrc export DEBEMAIL="email@host" and DEBFULLNAME="my name" | |
| [09:06] <sagaci> Fudge that's right, as long as it's the same as your gpg key detials | |
| [09:06] <sagaci> details* | |
| [09:21] <Fudge> is precise going to be 'arm' supported arch | |
| [09:22] <Fudge> sagaci thanks | |
| [09:22] <Fudge> had to use -k though to make debuild recognise me | |
| [09:47] <snadge> canonical are just copying microsoft and apple | |
| [09:47] <snadge> j/k | |
| [09:48] <snadge> im upgrading my 6th ubuntu system to +1 :P | |
| [09:48] <snadge> whilst consuming beer | |
| [09:48] <snadge> all ubuntu upgrades require alcohol | |
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| [12:20] * penguin42 waits for the python update to install so he can listen to some music | |
| [12:22] <penguin42> right, that's better! | |
| [12:40] <Fudge> lol | |
| [12:40] <Fudge> anyone here ever made a package where a script copies into /usr/local/bin on launchpad? | |
| [12:41] <Fudge> well not at launchpad but the chroot syustems on launchpad | |
| [12:42] <penguin42> why would you want to? | |
| [12:47] <testi> I remember that in lucid (and maybe also in natty) heavily moving windows used about 2-3% (shared among Xorg and compiz) of the cpu, now I get 30-40% (shared among Xorg and compiz) | |
| [12:47] <testi> it's an old intel centrino laptop. | |
| [12:49] <Fudge> penguin42 was that why, to me? | |
| [12:49] <penguin42> Fudge: Yes | |
| [12:49] <Fudge> oh ok its a little script that the package is supposed to copy into /usr/local/bin | |
| [12:50] <Fudge> but kept failing, i guess that in launchpads chroot that directory doesn | |
| [12:50] <jtaylor> packages should not use /usr/local | |
| [12:50] <Fudge> exist | |
| [12:50] <Fudge> jtaylor could you tell me why? | |
| [12:51] <jtaylor> /usr/local is the space that is guaranteed not to be touched by package managers | |
| [12:51] <jtaylor> so administrators can put stuff in there without fearing being overwritten by updates | |
| [12:51] <Fudge> ah right, hesne local, for users to do local mods | |
| [12:51] <Fudge> yep i get ya | |
| [12:51] <Fudge> so i shoudl have put it in /usr/bin probably | |
| [12:51] <jtaylor> yes | |
| [12:52] <em> jtaylor: when you say administrators do you mean the owners of the computer? | |
| [12:52] <jtaylor> depends | |
| [12:52] <jtaylor> owner != administrator in some cases | |
| [12:52] <em> Oh I think I know what you mean though. | |
| [12:53] <Fudge> cool | |
| [12:53] <em> I have not updated my ubuntu since Maverick. | |
| [12:53] <em> What am I missing out on? | |
| [12:54] <jtaylor> newer software versions, gnome3, unity etc | |
| [12:54] <Fudge> maverick was pretty good | |
| [12:55] <em> I'm happy with Maverick. So many people have warned me against Unity. | |
| [12:55] <jtaylor> I like it, though I'm pretty much happy when I have a working terminel ;) | |
| [12:56] <jtaylor> note that maverick goes end of life in 3 month | |
| [12:57] <em> that's a shame. | |
| [12:57] <em> That means no more updates? | |
| [12:57] <jtaylor> yes | |
| [12:57] <em> well after such a long time shouldn't it be updated about as much as possible? | |
| [12:57] <jtaylor> lucid til has one year of support though | |
| [12:57] <jtaylor> the issue are security updates | |
| [12:57] <em> Said another way, if something is so old then most of the bugs are worked out already? | |
| [12:58] <jtaylor> those are needed constantantly | |
| [12:58] <em> Why does it work that way? When i think of security updates I imagine someone found some breach that needs to be filled. | |
| [12:58] <em> Why is it not the case that the longer people have been looking for breeches the less likely a new one will be found? | |
| [12:59] <Fudge> u can backport to natty though | |
| [12:59] <Fudge> make it sing if u like, install unity somewhere else see if u like it | |
| [12:59] <jtaylor> there are security issues everywhere even in very old code | |
| [12:59] <jtaylor> they are only discovered with time | |
| [12:59] <jtaylor> and then affect even very old software | |
| [13:00] <em> do the number of new updates move asymptotically to zero though? | |
| [13:00] <em> If there were a release which never end of lifed, would they eventually finally fix it? | |
| [13:00] <jtaylor> no its even more likely to increase with time | |
| [13:00] <jtaylor> as more and more focus is put on security research nowadays | |
| [13:01] <em> It's confusing because software is made out of a programming language which is basically mathematics running on top of physics. It seems like it should be possible to make something that works the same way forever. | |
| [13:01] <jtaylor> thats very hard to do | |
| [13:01] <Fudge> thanks very much for the local packaging advice guys | |
| [13:01] <jtaylor> proving that a program works correctly in every situation is practically impossible | |
| [13:06] <jtaylor> an example would be the recently discovered bsd telnet flaw | |
| [13:07] <jtaylor> telnet is very old stuff, but only a month ago a serious issue was found with it | |
| [13:07] <jtaylor> luckily not many use telnet anymore | |
| [13:23] <penguin42> yes, that was a fun one - an odd bug for the 21st century :-) | |
| [13:40] <mydogsnameisrudy> looking to install kubuntu-desktop is that an option ? | |
| [13:41] <penguin42> mydogsnameisrudy: Sure | |
| [13:42] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok sudo apt-get intall kubuntu-desktop? | |
| [13:43] <mydogsnameisrudy> but at the login screen i see no option to switch | |
| [13:44] <penguin42> odd | |
| [13:44] <mydogsnameisrudy> just ubuntu and i think it ubuntu2 maybe | |
| [13:45] <penguin42> are you sure that apt-get installed OK? I'm surprised it was so quick | |
| [13:45] <mydogsnameisrudy> no it took time to install i did it last nite | |
| [13:46] <penguin42> haha ok | |
| [13:46] <mydogsnameisrudy> maybe check to see if it installed then | |
| [13:47] <ts2> check what's in /usr/share/xsessions/, if you see something like "kde-plasma.desktop", then you probably just need to restart the display manager to make it pick up the new file | |
| [13:47] <ts2> otherwise, if you don't see it, then something went wrong with the install... | |
| [13:47] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok thx ill take a look | |
| [13:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> ok it didnt install will reinstall and see thx | |
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| [15:32] * penguin42 wonders why virtuoso-t is taking 39% cpu | |
| [15:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks | |
| [15:54] <penguin42> Hey BK | |
| [16:20] <FernandoMiguel> oi | |
| [16:25] <gnomefreak> is bzr-notify crashing for anyone else? if not can you post the version you have? | |
| [17:00] <thechef> I have the feeling that CPU stepping isnt as sensitive as before making the UI slower. | |
| [17:03] <FernandoMiguel> any linux app to test my LCD? | |
| [17:07] <penguin42> test? | |
| [17:12] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, LCD TV or monitor? | |
| [17:12] <FernandoMiguel> laptop | |
| [17:12] <FernandoMiguel> I think I have a dead pixel | |
| [17:12] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Show a full white screen - I just use a full screen xterm | |
| [17:18] <bjsnider> take a screenshot and post it to a picpost site like imgur | |
| [17:18] <bjsnider> if the issue isn't in the screenshot, it's hardware | |
| [17:18] <bjsnider> if you touch the monitor where the dead pixel is, it might clear up | |
| [17:20] <penguin42> and if it moves, check if it has legs :-) | |
| [17:24] <FernandoMiguel> :) | |
| [17:24] <FernandoMiguel> ever since I dropped this laptop .... | |
| [17:25] <FernandoMiguel> I've seen color flutations | |
| [17:25] <FernandoMiguel> stupid me | |
| [17:25] <penguin42> hmm what do you mean fluctuations - in one area or the whole screen ? | |
| [17:25] <FernandoMiguel> color temp | |
| [17:25] <FernandoMiguel> white isn't white... is warmer | |
| [17:26] <penguin42> oh hmm, a subtle problem | |
| [17:26] <FernandoMiguel> a serious one | |
| [17:26] <penguin42> how much warmer? | |
| [17:26] <penguin42> do you mean it's actually pink ? | |
| [17:29] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: ok, 3 thoughts 1) A backlight fault (sucks) 2) Missing one of red/green/blue 3) There is a colour temp adjust somewhere .... | |
| [17:29] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: going to yellowish | |
| [17:30] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: color is fine... most of the times | |
| [17:30] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I'd try and display a full screen pure red, then a pure green, then a pure blue and see if any of them look very wrong | |
| [17:30] <FernandoMiguel> but times it jumps | |
| [17:30] <bjsnider> if there's no visible physical damage, you can call and have the warranty queue replace the laptop. but DO NOT tell them that you dropped it. say that it developed on its own | |
| [17:30] <FernandoMiguel> but since I dropped it, no RMA for it | |
| [17:30] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: its visible | |
| [17:30] <bjsnider> how bad is it? | |
| [17:30] <FernandoMiguel> the corner is put in | |
| [17:30] <bjsnider> ok, forget it | |
| [17:31] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Try xterm -bg red and full screen it | |
| [17:31] <bjsnider> don't drop equipment | |
| [17:31] <FernandoMiguel> AH | |
| [17:31] <penguin42> bjsnider: Submit a bug report against gravity | |
| [17:32] <bjsnider> it's been poorly coded because it can't be shut off | |
| [17:33] <FernandoMiguel> sure it can | |
| [17:33] <FernandoMiguel> just get away from any other corpse | |
| [17:59] <akharris> can i upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, i dont have a usb or dvd | |
| [18:00] <ikonia> akharris: what did I just tell you in #ubuntu ? | |
| [18:01] <ikonia> "check the topic" | |
| [18:01] <akharris> i did.... | |
| [18:01] <ikonia> akharris: however if you are not confident with how to upgrade, upgrading to unstable software releases seems a bad idea | |
| [18:46] <penguin42> can someone else running Unity on +1 tell me what happens when they resize a window? | |
| [18:47] <Daekdroom> penguin42, nothing other than a window gets resized | |
| [18:48] <penguin42> Daekdroom: OK, can I ask some more detail - does the window resize interactively - for me I get an orange overlay on the window and the overlay resizes as I stretch it, the window only resizes on release | |
| [18:49] <Daekdroom> penguin42, It only resizes on release for me | |
| [18:50] <penguin42> Daekdroom: OK, it's a shame - I liked getting windows the 'right' width when some windows showed the size information -e.g. a terminal showing you when you had got to 80x24 | |
| [19:29] <imnichol> Anyone else seeing an issue where the breadcrumb trail in nautilus is colored strangely? | |
| [19:30] <Daekdroom> I am | |
| [19:47] <imnichol> Do you know if there's a bug open? | |
| [19:51] <Daekdroom> I don't | |
| [20:04] <FernandoMiguel> VO: [xv] 4096x2304 => 4096x2304 Planar YV12 | |
| [20:04] <FernandoMiguel> Source image dimensions are too high: 4096x2304 (maximum is 2048x2048) | |
| [20:04] <FernandoMiguel> my love for mplayer is lost ! | |
| [20:09] <jtaylor> thats a large video :O | |
| [20:09] <Ian_Corne> :D | |
| [20:09] <Ian_Corne> 2048 is just silly :p | |
| [20:10] <Ian_Corne> 2560x1600 would be something | |
| [20:10] <Daekdroom> Another output method could work. | |
| [20:10] <penguin42> what res are cinemas these days? | |
| [20:10] <Daekdroom> (instead of xv) | |
| [20:12] <FernandoMiguel> jtaylor: 4k | |
| [20:12] <FernandoMiguel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-GYrbecb88 | |
| [20:13] <Daekdroom> For a moment I forgot movies are now shot using HD cameras | |
| [20:14] <jtaylor> how many people ahve the hardware to even view that movie in its full scale | |
| [20:15] <penguin42> jtaylor: Well, you'll just have to get some otherwise you won't be able to fix that bug! | |