2012/01/15/#lubuntu.txt

[00:00] <jmichaelx> also, when trying to change font size in the settings for lxterminal, they apparently do not save. upon restarting lxterminal, it always reverts back to the original (smaller) font size
[00:00] <pederindi> jmichaelx: what graphic card have the laptop?
[00:01] <MrChrisDruif> cousteau; I think it firstly depends if Wayland will be heavier on system resources, but for that we'd need a working Wayland first to test...don't we?
[00:02] <cousteau> sure
[00:02] <cousteau> well, my impression is that, being a graphic server oriented towards direct hardware acceleration, it'll be slower... but who knows
[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> So the coming two years, if not more we don't need to worry about that cousteau. Btw, it would be a nice discussion over at #lubuntu-offtopic
[00:05] <jmichaelx> pederindi: it is an nvidia geforce 420 go (nv17)
[00:06] <pederindi> nice, so I recommend you to install the official driver
[00:06] <jmichaelx> pederindi: you would recommend the proprietary driver over nouveau?
[00:07] <pederindi> seems that you have problem with a open-source driver
[00:08] <jmichaelx> pederindi: ok... that may well be the case, although i would almost expect nouveau to perform better overall than the ancient nvidia driver
[00:08] <pederindi> you can test if official nvidia's driver solve your problem
[00:09] <phillw> jmichaelx: have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal
[00:09] <phillw> please let me know if it is not working & I'll raise a bug for it.
[00:11] <jmichaelx> phillw: ty
[00:11] <jmichaelx> pederindi: would you recommend 'version 96' or 'version 96 updates'?
[00:12] <Sillion> why cant we switch users on lubuntu as in lxde we can?
[00:12] <phillw> Sillion: you can in 12.04 :)
[00:12] <Sillion> ok ok
[00:13] <Sillion> is it because of lxsession?
[00:13] <phillw> give the devs a bit of breathing space. 1st up was a stable release accepted by Canonical :)
[00:13] <pederindi> jmichaelx: i put geforce > geforce 400 series > geforce gt 420 > linux 32-bit | here: http://www.nvidia.es/Download/index.aspx?lang=es
[00:14] <pederindi> but I don't know if is your card!
[00:15] <jmichaelx> pederindi: probably similar, although mine is the mobile (laptop) version. ty for the suggestion. i think i will try one of the drivers in the repos first
[00:15] <phillw> for video cards and the discussion of which driver is best etc. the best place to head is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334 It is dedicated to sound and vid cards :)
[00:16] <jmichaelx> again, ty, phillw
[00:18] <phillw> If any of you are asking questions on the main forum area, would you please use the lubuntu tag...  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation#Ubuntu_Forum has how to set it
[00:19] <pederindi> I go to bed, good luck jmichaelx
[00:23] <jmichaelx> ok, the nvidia 96 (updates) driver from the repo did NOT work. i now have a completely white screen
[00:27] <phillw> jmichaelx: try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1753978 but take care to read the entire thread as the last post is important!"
[00:37] <Sillion> bye everybody
[00:49] <cousteau> jmichaelx, nvidia 96 is usually synonim of "install them manually"
[00:55] <phillw> cousteau: as I don't use nvid, is http://joeslifewithubuntu.blogspot.com/2011/09/update-on-that-nvidia-96-driver-for.html still relevant for 11.04 / 11.10 people?
[01:00] <cousteau> I use 10.10...
[01:01] <cousteau> phillw, the drivers on repositories sometimes work, sometimes don't...  I usually install them myself, with all the messed up consequences that has
[01:02] <phillw> I'm glad I've only ever had intel or AMD video card systems on my laptops :)
[01:06] <phillw> cousteau: well, this one has a [solved] tag for 10.10 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1597264
[01:06] <cousteau> phillw, well, it basically needs a new [solved] for each version
[01:07] <jmichaelx> i found the problem with nvidia-96 and my geforce 420 go in this fprum post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=417188&highlight=geforce+420
[01:07] <cousteau> it usually gets solved as soon as ubuntu repos get an upstream version of the nvidia drivers, solving incompatibilities with the current xorg version
[01:07] <phillw> quite possibly, that is why I try to herd people over to http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[01:07] <cousteau> it tends to happen always, every release
[01:16] <jmichaelx> my display is now slightly off-center. does anyone know whether or not it could be shifted slightly one direction.. or even stretched slightly further one direction, on a laptop LCD?
[02:57] <wxl> is it possible to change the behavior of clicking on the notify window?
[02:59] <jmichaelx> i just installed razor-qt from the ppa on a newly installed lubuntu system, but cannot get a razor-qt session started, either using lxdm, or by killing lxdm, and running 'razor-session' from the command line'
[02:59] <jmichaelx> any suggestions
[03:46] <jmichaelx> is there a way to adjust monitor power settings? after a while, my laptop lcd panel shuts off, and will not wake back up without rebooting
[03:49] <phillw> jmichaelx: yes, Menu --> Preferences --> ScreenSaver
[03:49] <jmichaelx> phillw: duh. sorry about that.
[03:49] <phillw> jmichaelx: np, in the advanced tab, you have the power settings.
[04:01] <h4ckm3> anyone familiar with remastersys?
[04:05] <phillw> h4ckm3: nope, but the http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys set of intructions are good,
[04:06] <phillw> just be aware what he says about it being discontinued
[04:07] <wxl> phillw: do you know if true transparency is possible with lxsession?
[04:08] <wxl> phillw: next question: what about changing the behavior of clicking on the notify window?
[04:12] <phillw> I wish i could kill the notify window.
[04:12] <phillw> with an axe or a chainsaw, actually
[04:13] <phillw> but, at just gone 4am, I'm off to bed :)
[04:15] <h4ckm3> ty
[04:15] <h4ckm3> I'll read it!
[04:16] <h4ckm3> I think he has recently been talked into continuing it!
[05:10] <iDiytto> How can I get compositing to work so I can use docky?
[05:14] <holstein> i like using kupfer
[05:14] <holstein> there is cairo compositing iDiytto
[05:14] <iDiytto> Does it come with lubuntu?
[05:16] <iDiytto> holstein: How can I enable it?
[05:16] <holstein> iDiytto: not that im awaro of
[05:16] <holstein> aware*
[05:16] <iDiytto> Oh
[05:16] <iDiytto> Well I thought there was a visual effects menu, but I can't find it
[05:16] <holstein> i would start here http://cairo-compmgr.tuxfamily.org/
[05:17] <holstein> iDiytto: ?
[05:17] <holstein> theres not effects like that in lubuntu
[05:17] <holstein> LXDE is light
[05:17] <holstein> lubuntu is light
[05:17] <iDiytto> Oh okay
[05:17] <holstein> effects are arguably heavy
[05:17] <holstein> you can install and enable compiz if you want
[05:17] <iDiytto> I do have compiz installed
[05:17] <iDiytto> No idea how to use it
[05:17] <holstein> iDiytto: right
[05:17] <wxl> arguably?
[05:18] <holstein> so maybe you want to use cairo
[05:18] <holstein> wxl: right
[05:18] <holstein> wxl: the math is happening on the graphics card no?
[05:18] <holstein> who really cares?
[05:18] <holstein> but... i find it slows things down
[05:18] <wxl> i guess
[05:18] <iDiytto> I have the CompizConfig settings manager
[05:18] <wxl> there is the hard drive space :D
[05:19] <holstein> wxl: this would be where an arguent could be inserted ;)
[05:19] <wxl> hah
[05:19] <holstein> i just say, try it iDiytto , and see for yourself
[05:19] <wxl> enlightenment's kind of nice for light+fancy
[05:19] <holstein> iDiytto: you'll need to start it
[05:19] <iDiytto> Compiz?
[05:20] <Unit193> xcompmgr is another option
[05:20] <holstein> iDiytto: orrect
[05:20] <holstein> correct*
[05:20] <holstein> Unit193: what do you think of it?
[05:20] <holstein> i think cairo is more stable
[05:20] <wxl> am i wrong or is there no cairo package?
[05:20] <Unit193> holstein: I don't use any comp managers, but someone else thought it worked well enough
[05:20] <holstein> iDiytto is stuck on copmiz though
[05:20] <Unit193> And it's already in repo
[05:21] <holstein> Unit193: thats true
[05:21] <iDiytto> Why am I stuck on compiz?
[05:21] <holstein> iDiytto: not sure
[05:21] <iDiytto> >.>
[05:22] <holstein> it'll look a lot like this
[05:22] <holstein> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[05:22] <holstein> iDiytto: ^^
[05:23] <holstein> otherwise, check out xcompmgr, or cairo
[05:23] <iDiytto> Oh yeah its not running then
[05:24] <holstein> wxl: i think you just get it from here http://download.tuxfamily.org/ccm/cairo-compmgr/
[05:24] <iDiytto> Ill try cairo
[05:24] <holstein> iDiytto: if you didnt "run" it, its not running
[05:24] <iDiytto> Yeah
[05:24] <iDiytto> Well i tryed to run compiz in terminal but everything failed :p
[05:24] <holstein> but like Unit193 and wxl say, xcompmrg is in the repos
[05:24] <holstein> iDiytto: you can read that link i gave you
[05:25] <holstein> compiz --replace is what you need
[05:25] <holstein> but, you dont need compiz for docky
[05:25] <iDiytto> Well i just want compositing for docky
[05:25] <holstein> i like wbar
[05:25] <iDiytto> Nothing fancy like compiz does
[05:26] <iDiytto> What is wbar?
[05:26] <holstein> its a dock
[05:26] <holstein> doesnt need comp to be fancy
[05:27] <iDiytto> Do you have a screenshot of it?
[05:28] <iDiytto> Is it like a dock like docky or more like a bar thing
[05:28] <iDiytto> Like a panel
[05:28] <iDiytto> I just want it to auto-hide
[05:29] <holstein> its nothing like docky
[05:29] <holstein> its light
[05:29] <holstein> iDiytto: it can be configured to do whatever
[05:29] <holstein> hide
[05:29] <holstein> not hide
[05:29] <iDiytto> Okay cool
[05:29] <holstein> be big.. whatever
[05:29] <holstein> its got a config file
[05:29] <iDiytto> Does it have a settings panel
[05:29] <iDiytto> Oh okay
[05:29] <holstein> iDiytto: nope
[05:29] <iDiytto> I think i can do that
[05:29] <holstein> not that im aware of
[05:29] <holstein> iDiytto: yup... its actually kind of fun
[05:30] <holstein> like conky )
[05:30] <holstein> :)
[05:30] <iDiytto> Im on the google code page
[05:30] <iDiytto> What deb package do i want to get?
[05:30] <iDiytto> Oh nvm its in package manager
[05:31] <holstein> yup
[05:31] <holstein> i used to have it in the  middle of my screen :)
[05:31] <iDiytto> Lol cool
[05:32] <iDiytto> Where is the config at?
[05:32] <holstein> you can start it with command line arguments
[05:32] <holstein> you can point it to a config file
[05:32] <holstein> its up to you... i forget.. its been a while
[05:33] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-412867.html
[05:33] <holstein> ^^ you can read there, but i am pretty sure it *does* auto-hide now
[05:34] <holstein> hey!
[05:34] <holstein> http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/wbar-simple-lightweight-and.html
[05:34] <holstein> looks like there is a *-config GUI
[05:38] <iDiytto> Yeah im working on installing that now
[05:42] <iDiytto> Wow this is awesome
[05:42] <iDiytto> :D
[05:44] <iDiytto> Where are the Fonts installed to?
[05:45] <holstein> iDiytto: im not sure.. but im sure its all customizable
[05:45] <holstein> probably more like you just point it to some fonts you want it to use
[05:46] <iDiytto> Well yeah
[05:46] <iDiytto> But i dont know where the fonts are
[05:46] <iDiytto> I need to have a font
[05:46] <holstein>  /usr/share/fonts?
[05:46] <holstein> maybe...
[05:47] <iDiytto> Yep!
[05:48] <iDiytto> Gah
[05:48] <holstein> i dont do docks anymore, but when i do, i use wbar... i like it for family or whatever to because i find its less breakable... and so light
[05:48] <iDiytto> Theres not an auto-hide
[05:48] <holstein> iDiytto: i might have just always done "let windows cover" or whatever
[05:49] <holstein> i remember not needing auto-hide
[05:49] <holstein> i thought i had tried it recently and it had that added to it though... but im not sure...
[05:49] <holstein> if its a deal-breaker for you.. then its a deal-breaker
[05:50] <iDiytto> Nah I like this more
[05:50] <iDiytto> Idk
[05:50] <iDiytto> Ill figure something out either way :p
[05:52] <holstein> enjoy!
[05:54] <iDiytto> Yep :p
[07:49] <JohnDoe_71Rus> morning
[07:51] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://postimage.org/image/x6fpf64hz/ Why?
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[10:31] <joesepp> Hello! I would like to disable screen locking after computer wakes up from suspend. xscreensaver-demo and ~/.xscreensaver have lock: False. What am I missing?
[10:33] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure that is possible joesepp , but I hope others will be able to prove me wrong
[10:34] <joesepp> MrChrisDruif: Why not?
[10:37] <MrChrisDruif> Because your system almost completely shuts down, keeping all the programs info in RAM and such as difference
[10:38] <MrChrisDruif> joesepp; http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1836#p5283
[10:40] <joesepp> Thanks, but this still  doesn't resolve it
[10:41] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, continue searching
[10:41] <joesepp> thanks
[10:42] <MrChrisDruif> You want to prevent entering your password after suspend right?
[10:42] <joesepp> that's right
[10:43]  * MrChrisDruif wonders what would happen if you remove xscreensaver all together
[10:44] <MrChrisDruif> joesepp; source: http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/449602-disabling-password-resume-suspend.html
[10:46] <joesepp> How can I disable xscreensaver starting up in the first place?
[10:48] <MrChrisDruif> Well...if you remove it would be one way
[10:49] <joesepp> short of that?
[10:49] <MrChrisDruif> The other would require delving into unknown config-files (unknown to me at least) and removing it their from starting.
[10:49] <MrChrisDruif> there*
[10:51] <MrChrisDruif> joesepp; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/disable-screensaver-in-lxde-745203/#post3633034
[11:00] <MrChrisDruif> Did that help joesepp ? (I can't try because I'm not running Lubuntu myself)
[11:01] <joesepp> that one basically suggests the removal of xscreensaver again. I think I might just do it..
[11:02] <MrChrisDruif> joesepp;
[11:02] <MrChrisDruif> Did you read the comment about the autostart.sh?
[11:04] <joesepp> yes, doesn't work i did: grep -R screensaver ~/.config/*
[11:05] <joesepp> returned nothing
[11:08] <MrChrisDruif> Does grep also look inside files with that command?
[11:08] <joesepp> yes
[11:08] <joesepp> but i found something now
[11:09] <joesepp> a global autostart dir appears to be here: /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[11:10] <joesepp> it's a file actually that has "@xscreensaver -no-splash" written on the first line
[11:10] <joesepp> so i'll try to comment that out
[11:13] <MrChrisDruif> I'm sorry I can't help you
[11:13] <joesepp> ok thanks anyway
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[18:04] <smile> Hi can someone help me? :) I'm trying to execute a .sh script at the end of the startup procedure (executable .sh file into .config/autostart)
[18:04] <smile> but it doesn't work
[18:04] <smile> 	http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/805393/
[18:06] <Unit193> 1. Does it have the executable bit? 2. Are you the only user for the system or do you want it to run for all?
[18:07] <smile> Unit193: 1) Yes 2) Only. :)
[18:07] <smile> maybe the executable i want to kill is launched later in the boot process (and the sh is before it)
[18:08] <smile> can i startup it with a delay than? :p
[18:08] <Unit193> You *can* place those commands in /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but I'm not sure that's exactly supported ;)  (Shhhhhh, but I've done it)
[18:09] <smile> Unit193: with an @ before it? :p
[18:09] <Unit193> It's what I did
[18:09] <Unit193> But remember what you did as that's NOT a "recommended" section
[18:09] <smile> ;)
[18:10] <smile> Unit193: no problem. I'll reinstall if it fails :p
[18:10] <Unit193> That's the file for when you select the "Lubuntu" session (or one of them)
[18:11] <Unit193> Backing up the default is also good
[18:12] <smile> yeah, I understand & i've already done that :)
[18:13] <smile> i'll reboot in half an hour :)
[18:14] <Unit193> Great, just making sure you know all what that does
[18:16] <smile> Unit193: and now i hope it will work :)
[18:28] <smile> Unit193: didn't work
[18:29] <Unit193> You seem to be killing somethinjg that starts on boot, wouldn't it be better to just disable that?
[18:30] <smile> Unit193: I need it once every time my pc boots up :)
[18:30] <Unit193> May also depend on what gets started first
[18:30] <smile> AmberJ: hi. :)
[18:30] <smile> Unit193: It restores my volume level. :)
[18:41] <toscho> hi
[18:42] <toscho> why does pcmanfm keep a usb active so long after copying a file to 100%
[18:53] <Unit193> smile: Killing something restores? Heh
[18:53] <Unit193> Copying a file to 100%....
[18:53] <smile> Unit193: it restores the volume level for example to 70%
[18:54] <smile> and then i want to close the program :)
[18:54] <Unit193> How do you have it run?
[18:57] <smile> Unit193: how do you mean? :p
[18:57] <Unit193> Well, you said you have it on startup, how? Or did it put itself there?
[19:01] <AmberJ> hey smile and everyone
[19:03] <smile> Unit193: It's by default. Part of gvfsd :s
[19:04] <Unit193> Ah, alrighty
[19:21] <AmberJ> Why does not my PC speaker "beep" in linux?
[19:22] <Unit193> Linux, or Ubuntu?
[19:22] <AmberJ> On XP (on same dual boot system), it beeps fine.
[19:22] <AmberJ> Lubuntu 11.10
[19:22] <smile> AmberJ: I hate the beep so i would be happy :p
[19:23] <Unit193> Some annoying Ubuntu dev got annoyed at it and disabled it 30 different ways, I have only found 17 ways to enable the terminal bell (Not quite the same, but close)
[19:23] <holstein> http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/08/23/how-to-turn-off-the-annoying-system-beep-in-linux-debianubuntu/
[19:23] <AmberJ> smile, I use that primarily for feeble but audible hilights during night (when my parents are sleeping).
[19:23] <holstein> pretty sure thats what it looked like when i turned that off
[19:23] <holstein> Unit193: i bet thats what i have going on
[19:24] <holstein> i *want* the terminal bell :/
[19:24] <holstein> didnt think about that til just now
[19:24] <Unit193> holstein: I gave up after the first 17 (Little kidding, I have done at least 7 different ways to enable it)
[19:24] <AmberJ> isn't terminal bell same as the beep sound coming from PC speaker?
[19:24] <Unit193> I ended up just using an awesome script for irssi
[19:25] <smile> AmberJ: ok :p
[19:26] <Juan> Hey, is there a way I can replace chromium with midori on 11.10? Trying to remove chromium defaults to installing firefox automatically.
[19:27] <holstein> Juan: just install it, and enjoy :)
[19:27] <smile> Juan: first install Midori and then try to remove chromium? ;)
[19:27] <AmberJ> holstein, That link says to add some text to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist to disable system beep....but my file is already empty. And, I need to enable it
[19:27] <Juan> I did.
[19:27] <Juan> It install firefox.
[19:27] <Juan> Then if I try to remove firefox it install epiphany.
[19:27] <Juan> And so on.
[19:28] <AmberJ> Juan, A couple of days ago someone posted a command to do that...wait, let me look at logs
[19:28] <Juan> I'd like just midori as disk space is scarse.
[19:28] <Juan> I'd appreciate it AmberJ.
[19:29] <Unit193> Juan: Did you install midori yet?
[19:29] <holstein> AmberJ: you can try xset -b
[19:29] <Juan> First thing I did.
[19:29] <holstein> and add that as a script or whatever
[19:29] <smile> Juan: try sudo apt-get remove chromium-browser --no-install-recommends
[19:29] <Unit193> purge is more fun ;)
[19:29] <Juan> I'll try that on epiphany, chromium and firefox already gone.
[19:31] <Unit193> AmberJ: "sudo apt-get purge chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin konqueror" Was the line they posted
[19:31] <Juan> Haha.
[19:31] <Juan> As long as it works.
[19:31] <holstein> Unit193: Juan is the midori one
[19:31] <AmberJ> lol yea...Juan, that line by Unit193 was what I was talking about ;)
[19:32] <smile> Unit193: xD
[19:32] <holstein> or maybe im wrong...
[19:32] <Juan> I am.
[19:33] <smile> I have to go, bye :)
[19:33] <Juan> Seems that's the way to go guys.
[19:33] <Juan> Thanks.
[19:33] <Unit193> holstein: Yeah, that's why I have it to amber, and said "was the line he posted"
[19:34] <Unit193> Juan: Alrighty!
[19:34] <Juan> Otherwise it'll keep wanting to install an alternate browser.
[19:34] <Juan> That line has them all covered.
[19:36] <AmberJ> 'xset -b' is to disable system beep(?) I read 'man xset' and found out that 'xset b on' was supposed to help. But I still *don't* hear a beep :(
[19:36] <holstein> AmberJ: OH
[19:36] <holstein> i totally misread
[19:36] <holstein> i thought you were trying to turn it off
[19:37] <holstein> i try every year or so to get the beeps enabled ;)
[19:37] <AmberJ> naah. I want to turn it on.
[19:37] <holstein> never happened
[19:37] <holstein> i did get it turned off a few times
[19:37] <Myrtti> I've got "pactl upload-sample /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg bell.ogg" in my Ubuntu in startup, but I don't know if it would work in Lubuntu
[19:37] <holstein> i assumed maybe the machines in question didnt have the capability
[19:38] <holstein> Myrtti: you use that just for startup? or does that get triggered for other things?
[19:38] <Myrtti> holstein: it sets the audiosample to be played on audible bell afaiko
[19:38] <Unit193> /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/bell.ogg doesn't exist in Lubuntu, but worth a shot with another file
[19:39] <holstein> Myrtti: i would be fine with something like that
[19:39] <AmberJ> I'm a bit confused here... Myrtti, Would not that beep be sent to speakers instead?
[19:39] <AmberJ> I want audible PC speaker bell that beeps inside the cabinet/cpu
[19:40] <Myrtti> AmberJ: yes, it would, but it's still better than not getting anything at all
[19:40] <holstein> yeah, thats what im assuming its just not working or not there...
[19:40] <AmberJ> Myrtti, right thanks. noted.
[19:40] <holstein> i run a hard drive scan that beeps when its done, and it doesnt always beep
[19:40] <holstein> thats from a live CD
[19:40] <AmberJ> But I'll still prefer pc speaker beep :D
[19:40] <holstein> so i assumed it was hardware
[19:42] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[19:43] <AmberJ> holstein, In my case, it beeps fine on XP (same system). So, imho hardware is not at fault here
[19:43] <kosaidpo> is there any small tool that ican use to change keymap easily without need to go the the lxkeymap ?? as in a one has a tray icon ? thanks
[19:43] <Unit193> Myrtti: Would you mind sending me that file? (Upload, direct, even email?)
[19:43] <holstein> AmberJ: TRUE!
[19:44] <holstein> i havent tried enabling on one that i *know* beeps
[19:45] <Myrtti> Unit193: http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/all/ubuntu-sounds/filelist
[19:45] <Unit193> Thank you
[19:46] <kosaidpo> anyone guys ?? welli wish ican change keymap with only some shortcut any idea how to ??
[19:46] <AmberJ> just a minute kosaidpo
[19:46] <kosaidpo> AmberJ: sure ' ]
[19:46] <kosaidpo> ;]
[19:47] <AmberJ> kosaidpo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877
[19:48] <kosaidpo> AmberJ: ok thanks chekin it
[19:52] <AmberJ> kosaidpo, for example: 'setxkbmap -option grp:ctrl_shift_toggle us,dvorak' .... sets Ctrl+Shift key combo to switch keyboards between QWERTY_US and DVORAK
[19:52] <kosaidpo> AmberJ: yeh got it ; ] thanaks
[19:52] <AmberJ> Put that line in startup file and you'll be good to go.
[19:58] <AmberJ> holstein, Unit193 got a system nearby that's supposed to beep but won't?
[19:59] <Unit193> That's any *ubuntu
[19:59] <AmberJ> I think I found a solution...
[19:59] <AmberJ> yea any linux will do :D
[19:59] <AmberJ> sudo apt-get install beep
[20:00] <AmberJ> When it's installed, try this command: 'beep'
[20:00]  * Unit193 was sure he had it, then purged it
[20:03] <AmberJ> 'man beep' is useful as well...
[20:07] <holstein> AmberJ: no beeps yet
[20:07] <holstein> i fired up the box that beeped at me ealier when i tested the drive
[20:10] <holstein> nah.. all my tricks have failed again... i not sure what im not doing properly
[20:11] <kop> openssh-server & client installed , /etc/ssh/sshd_config configured and still refuses connection with permission denied ...
[20:12] <kop> holstein, what are you trying to do or not do ? I just got here
[20:12] <holstein> kop: we ( AmberJ and others ) are talking about system beeps and how to *enable* them
[20:12] <holstein> the PC speaker, inside the box
[20:13] <holstein> i was saying i have gotten them disabled a few times
[20:14] <saleem> hi
[20:14] <saleem> i was wondering if we can have lxmed for lubuntu for next release
[20:14] <saleem> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/files/
[20:15] <Unit193> saleem: It's not in the repo, it'd have to be there first
[20:15] <Unit193> holstein: Oh, I did get it once, but only when I VNC'd in! Explain that one to me :P
[20:15] <saleem> Unit193, i checked, its not there on repos
[20:15] <AmberJ> holstein, what about: 'beep -f 1999 -l 5000 -r 10 --debug' ?
[20:16] <Unit193> saleem: I know, I checked
[20:16] <saleem> its a good utility
[20:17] <holstein> i had forgotten about beep... trying...
[20:17] <AmberJ> maybe it is saleem ...but as Unit193 said, it needs to be in the repos first.
[20:17] <holstein> nah... no beeps
[20:17] <holstein> lemme look in alsamixer
[20:18] <holstein> nah.. :/
[20:19] <AmberJ> holstein, one last try. I know this is weird but if it works, I have found a valid explanation for this: 'sudo beep'
[20:19] <Unit193> holstein: Did you try Myrtti's idea? (Though the file I found seemed to be a null clip, must have found a different version)
[20:20] <AmberJ> holstein, or better: 'sudo beep -f 1999 -l 5000 -r 10 --debug'
[20:20] <holstein> nope :/
[20:20] <holstein> Unit193: i feel like i can get that happening
[20:20] <holstein> this internal beep thing is "personal"
[20:21] <saleem> AmberJ, yes i read what Unit193 , i will put a request for this package to be added to the repo, hope it will be approved
[20:22] <AmberJ> holstein, My 'sudo' trial was based on this: http://pastebin.com/AGTCe0Tp (source: 'man beep')
[20:23] <holstein> AmberJ: ill keep trying though
[20:23] <AmberJ> holstein, It says: "What this means is that root can always make beep work (to the best of my knowledge!)....."  (and so I asked you to try beep with sudo).
[20:23] <holstein> every new and then, i get into it and try again
[20:25] <holstein> now*
[20:39] <AmberJ> holstein, try try: 'xkbbell -force' ?
[20:40] <holstein> AmberJ: i already closed it :/
[20:41] <holstein> have to get some things done before the gig.. like a nap ;)
[20:41] <holstein> lets try and touch base about this in a few days though
[20:41] <holstein> id like to know how to sort this out
[20:42] <AmberJ> holstein, you should also try these two in order: 'sudo modprobe pcspkr' ....and then: 'beep'
[20:42] <AmberJ> Note it down :) You can try later
[20:42] <MrChrisDruif> Note what down?
[20:43] <AmberJ> holstein, my sources: http://askubuntu.com/posts/19909/revisions and http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man3/XkbBell.3.html (you might need this if one of above command works) :D
[20:44] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, holstein and I are trying to get our system beep (PC speaker audible bell to work). Two commands worked for me and I gave them to him to note down and try later
[20:52] <AmberJ> Why doesnot unchecking/disabling [View]->[Toolbars]->[Menu bar] in firefox activate firefox's orange button?
[20:55] <MrChrisDruif> Firefox's Orange button?
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; ^
[20:56] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, http://img.technospot.net/Remove-the-Orange-Firefox-button-from-your-Browser.jpg
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> I think it's due to the theme being used
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> Because you DO get that firefox menu-button right?
[20:58] <AmberJ> I get the firefox's *traditional* menu bar right now...
[20:58] <AmberJ> But not that orange colored button...
[20:58] <AmberJ> I don't need orange color....Even pink will do (j/k).
[20:58] <MrChrisDruif> I've got a "plain" colored button
[20:58] <AmberJ> I want that button...
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> But that's in "normal" Ubuntu
[20:59] <AmberJ> "plain" button will do...but how?
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> Got a screenshot of the current situation?
[20:59] <AmberJ> just a min
[21:01] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, http://i.imgur.com/HhXDl.png
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> And you've got Menu-bar unchecked in view?
[21:04] <AmberJ> oops, that was with menu bar checked...just a minute
[21:06] <AmberJ> with menu bar UNchecked: http://i.imgur.com/1z0J4.png
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> When was your last update of Firefox AmberJ ?
[21:07] <AmberJ> Yesterday
[21:08] <AmberJ> I mean I did 'sudo apt-get upgrade' yesterday. Isn't that supposed to update firefox to latest version in 11.10 repos?
[21:08] <AmberJ> Firefox 9.0.1
[21:09] <Unit193> That updates the lists only
[21:10] <AmberJ> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; you are wrong. sudo apt-get update updates the lists only
[21:10] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Woops, read that wrong
[21:11] <AmberJ> that's^ what I knew
[21:11] <Unit193> AmberJ: That updates programs, but doesn't install new ones if they are in depends
[21:11] <AmberJ> Unit193, which one? dist-upgrade? upgrade?
[21:11] <Unit193> Upgrade
[21:12] <MrChrisDruif> I thought it did
[21:12] <Unit193> dist-upgrade will install new packages as needed (eg, kernel updates)
[21:13] <AmberJ> noted.
[21:14] <Unit193> AmberJ: Skim the manpage to see the difference, it's well marked
[21:14] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, Can you please check if you have "Global menu bar integration" enabled in firefox addons?
[21:16] <MrChrisDruif> Where can I find which ones are enabled? <_<"
[21:16] <Unit193> It'll be marked if it's disabled
[21:16] <Unit193> Tools > Addons
[21:17] <AmberJ> Ctrl+Shift+A
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> Found it and it's enabled
[21:27] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, I found the button! I use an addon "Tree style tabs" (vertical, tree style tabs addon) to manage tab hell :D Firefox's orange/gray button was in front of my eyes but I could not locate it
[21:31] <MrChrisDruif> Glad it is solved
[21:35] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, See where I found it: http://i.imgur.com/kUzUw.png (right toppish corner) Thanks a lot :)
[21:36] <MrChrisDruif> Smarty pants ;-)
[21:38] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, Do you have any idea why "global menu bar integration" addon is installed with firefox in Lubuntu? I thought it was for Ubuntu's Unity
[21:38] <MrChrisDruif> It is, but it doesn't hurt in the other flavours so it would be hellish to "remove" it for the other ones
[21:41] <AmberJ> From a different view, it would as well be 'hellish' not to remove it (since it won't be of any use in Lubuntu)
[21:42] <AmberJ> But then I forgot that Lubuntu ships with Chromium...
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, that is also the case and I think you can remove it without much difficulty
[21:46] <AmberJ> Yes, manual removal is not difficult except that it takes time ;)
[21:47] <MrChrisDruif> Making it automatically remove for those few that even notice it being installed is too much trouble ;-)
[21:48] <MrChrisDruif> You could probably make a small script for it and share it with the world ^_^
[21:55] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, I was instead planning to add "sudo apt-get purge firefox-globalmenu" to my personal post-install config script. Now that you mentioned it, I may blog about this as well.
[21:55] <MrChrisDruif> Your welcome
[21:56]  * MrChrisDruif should either look into a post-installation script for Ubuntu or an installation script for Debian/Arch
[21:56] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; could you share your post-installation script? ^_^
[21:56] <AmberJ> Ubuntu/Debian/Arch....No Lubuntu? :(
[21:57] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; I count Lubuntu to Ubuntu...
[21:57] <MrChrisDruif> Should've said *ubuntu
[21:57] <AmberJ> Say *ubuntu instead :D