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[03:27] <average_guy> what packages do I need to install to get the appindicator in lubuntu 11.10? |
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[03:28] <average_guy> i have dun it before, so I know it can be done.. |
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[03:59] <Unit193> average_guy: Howdy, do you happen to be talking about lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin ? |
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[04:01] <average_guy> howdy Unit193 didn't know you hung out over here too |
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[04:01] <Unit193> I sure do |
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[04:02] <average_guy> I mean the the applet in the gnome panel like a drawer that holds tbird, gwibber, pidgin, etc. |
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[04:05] <average_guy> is that it? |
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[04:07] <Unit193> I know it's disabled by default, and the LXDE one isn't as great |
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[04:08] <average_guy> I just tried to install it and it said I already have it |
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[04:10] <average_guy> yeah Unit193, I don't even get the point of the LXDE one |
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[04:12] <Unit193> Give me a sec, working on something else too |
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[04:12] <average_guy> it's cool, I still googling |
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[04:15] <Unit193> Are you looking for Right click panel > add/remove Indicator |
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[04:15] <average_guy> yes |
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[04:16] <average_guy> I mean, that where I WANT it to be |
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[04:17] <Unit193> You don't see it in the "Add" list? |
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[04:17] <average_guy> you know how in GNOME it looks like an envelope? I want that Unit193 |
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[04:18] <average_guy> that just says "no indicators" |
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[04:18] <average_guy> when I open it |
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[04:20] <average_guy> I feel like last time I turned that one into what I'm shooting for |
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[04:20] <average_guy> somehow.. |
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[04:21] <Unit193> Do you also have indicator-messages and |
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[04:21] <Unit193> indicator-application |
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[04:24] <average_guy> yes I have them both installed |
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[04:36] <average_guy> sorry Unit193, busted it. Had to reboot.. |
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[04:40] <average_guy> ok, I think I here now |
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[04:44] <average_guy> actually Unit193, I think I've done enuf damage. I'll try again tomorrow. thx anyway |
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[04:44] <Unit193> Heh sure, from what I can tell, that's what is supposed to get it to work, but I'll have a go at it in a VM |
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[13:32] <average_guy> alright, I'm at it again. There IS a way to get the appindicators like GNOME in lubuntu. Does anyone know what package I need to install? |
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[13:34] <bioterror> nope, we tend to like appindicators like in LXDE |
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[13:34] <bioterror> can you explain what do you mean like in GNOME |
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[13:34] <bioterror> +by |
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[13:35] <average_guy> an envelope in the panel that opens a drawer containing tbird, pidgin, quassel, etc. |
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[13:36] <average_guy> I installed something once that turned the indicator applet in the lxpanel into it |
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[13:38] <bioterror> I have no idea about the envelope |
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[13:40] <bioterror> and I have few gnome 3 computers running ;) |
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[13:40] <average_guy> http://imagecdn.maketecheasier.com/2011/09/oneiric-appindicator.jpg |
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[13:40] <average_guy> I want THAT |
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[15:28] <average_guy> Xfce has it.. |
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[17:03] <kvarley> How can I change the default desktop session? |
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[19:43] <Wulong> How can I make lubuntu automatically reconnect wifi network? |
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[19:44] <Wulong> It probably reconnect when it loses connection, but if it fails again it gives up like a little girl. |
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[19:44] <Wulong> cron solvable maybe? |
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[19:45] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; you might have a solution for that? I can't remember seeing anything about that |
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[19:45] <Unit193> Should be an option in nm-applet |
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[19:46] <Unit193> Workaround, get a better router ;) |
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[19:46] <Wulong> nm-applet you say. So it's a Ubuntu issue. Not surprising. It has always been this stupid. |
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[19:46] <Wulong> Not my router. I'm just paying for access. |
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[19:46] <Wulong> I'd wish though. |
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[19:47] <wxl> i think i filed a bug for this if i understand you correctly |
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[19:48] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/892454 |
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[19:48] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 892454 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "network-manager starts up with wireless disabled" [Undecided,New] |
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[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> I know there are other network-managers, but I always forget how they're called |
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[19:49] <Wulong> It connect's on startup. |
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[19:49] <wxl> Wulong: if that's consistent with your experience, please confirm |
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[19:50] <Wulong> I know about several others, but I'm not sure if they are as "light" or what. |
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[19:50] * Unit193 just used /etc/networking for a while |
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[19:51] <wxl> i tried one other one |
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[19:51] <wxl> i forgot the name of it |
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[19:51] <wxl> it was pretty but annoying |
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[19:51] <Wulong> wxl: don't seem the same. It connects automatically. |
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[19:51] <Unit193> wxl: wicd? |
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[19:51] <wxl> Wulong: that's a strange one, then |
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[19:51] <Wulong> wifi radar |
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[19:51] <wxl> Unit193: yeah, hated it and it was a pita to uninstall |
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[19:53] <Wulong> PITA to uninstall.. sounds about right. Probably therefore I feel like skipping those. |
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[19:54] <Wulong> I'll supervise nm-applet and file a bug report if it doesnt improve. |
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[19:54] <wxl> Wulong: did you already search lp for a similar bug? |
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[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> wicd, that's the one I'm talking about |
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[19:55] <Wulong> I did not, but I have seen this as a problem and ideas on brainstorm for Ubuntu several times. |
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[19:55] <MrChrisDruif> Never used it thou |
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[19:58] <wxl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/150180 ??? |
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[19:58] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 134660 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu Hardy) "duplicate for #150180 Ralink rt2400 / rt2500 / rt2570 / rt61 / rt73 do not work out of the box in Gutsy/Hardy" [High,Fix released] |
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[19:59] <wxl> a cursory search reveals what i would suspect is people complaining of random dropouts which i'd say is more an isp/router sort of issue |
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[20:00] <wxl> but these are usually short |
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[21:22] <AmberJ> Hello |
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[21:23] <AmberJ> I used this to autostart programs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop |
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[21:23] <AmberJ> But pcmanfm won't start at boot...I instead get a (error) window saying "No such file or directory". |
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[21:25] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; what happens when you use that same pcmanfm.desktop to start pcmanfm? |
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[21:26] <MrChrisDruif> Are there other pcmanfm.desktop files in that folder? |
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[21:27] * MrChrisDruif isn't using Lubuntu...again |
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[21:28] <wxl> AmberJ: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXSession#Automatically_start_some_applications_on_login help? |
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[21:29] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, Which pcmanfm.desktop? the one in /usr/share/applications/ ? or, the one in ~/.config/autostart/ ? |
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[21:29] <wxl> actually |
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[21:29] <MrChrisDruif> /usr/share/applications/ |
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[21:29] <wxl> AmberJ: cat ~/.config/autostart/pcmanfm.desktop | pastebinit |
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[21:29] <wxl> and if you don't have pastebinit, install it |
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[21:30] <wxl> also If the name of an executable is specified without any path components then the $PATH environment is searched to find a matching executable program. |
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[21:30] <MrChrisDruif> Ghehe, wisecrack |
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[21:31] <wxl> well it's a good point! |
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[21:31] <wxl> i would expect $PATH to be set appropriately by then but perhaps not |
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[21:31] <wxl> /usr/bin/pcmanfm is what you wnat obviously |
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[21:32] <wxl> so your .desktop file would be: |
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[21:32] <wxl> Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U |
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[21:32] <wxl> (or would have, rather) |
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[21:32] <wxl> instead of Exec=pcmanfm %U |
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[21:32] <wxl> betcha that fixes it |
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[21:32] <AmberJ> wxl, http://paste.ubuntu.com/803462/ |
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[21:33] <AmberJ> wxl, 'pcmanfm' on terminal starts it fine. So, I guess the $PATH is set |
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[21:34] <wxl> but may not be at the point of doing autostart, AmberJ |
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[21:34] <AmberJ> Ok...let me try |
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[21:35] <AmberJ> So, I need to logout and log back in to test this? |
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[21:35] <MrChrisDruif> Prolly |
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[21:36] <AmberJ> Right let me logout...brb |
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[21:39] <AmberJ> wxl, No...I still get the same error :( |
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[21:41] <AmberJ> wxl, this is what I get: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png |
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[21:41] <wxl> AmberJ: open ~/.config/autostart in pcmanfm and double click on pcmanfm.desktop -- what happens? |
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[21:42] <AmberJ> wxl, Another window of pcmanfm opens when I do that^ |
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[21:42] <wxl> strange |
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[21:43] <wxl> i am kind of at a loss |
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[21:44] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, clicking on /usr/share/applications/pcmanfm.desktop opens another window... |
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[21:45] <wxl> so we've checked both of the .desktops AmberJ ? |
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[21:45] <MrChrisDruif> And so does the one in ~/.config/autostart/ ? |
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[21:45] <AmberJ> yes both |
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[21:45] <wxl> bizarre |
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[21:45] <AmberJ> both open a new window of pcmanfm |
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[21:45] <wxl> i doubt it's a permission problem |
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[21:45] <wxl> maybe possible |
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[21:46] <wxl> Unit193: ping |
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[21:47] <AmberJ> Should I try TEMPORARILY to give ugo+rwx (all permissions :D) to see if it helps? |
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[21:48] <wxl> AmberJ: no i'd say you'd want the same perms on both files so check what it is in /usr/share/applications and then apply it to ~/.config/autostart |
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[21:51] <AmberJ> Still same error... |
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[21:51] <wxl> unfortunately #freedesktop is dead so that's not helping either :'( |
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[21:51] <Unit193> wxl: Eh? |
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[21:51] <AmberJ> Is there a way to save a log file when pcmanfm.desktop is being executed during login? (this might help) |
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[21:51] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; AmberJ has issues auto-starting pcmanfm |
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[21:52] <wxl> Unit193: have you ever experienced an issue with a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart that wouldn't start with an error of "No such file or directory" yet the .desktop file loads pcmanfm once in lxde no problem??? |
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[21:52] <AmberJ> Unit193, this is what I get: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png when I try to autostart pcmanfm during login |
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[21:52] <Unit193> What's the command for pcmanfm? |
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[21:53] <wxl> Unit193: pcmanfm |
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[21:53] <wxl> /usr/bin/pcmanfm if that helps |
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[21:53] <wxl> AmberJ: have you tried to grep /var/log/syslog? |
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[21:54] <AmberJ> wxl, I just tried...nothing useful in there :( |
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[21:55] <Unit193> /usr/bin/pcmanfm $U |
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[21:56] <Unit193> Or /usr/bin/pcmanfm /home/amberj/ |
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[21:56] <wxl> maybe /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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[21:56] <wxl> Unit193: %U |
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[21:56] <wxl> we already tried that, tho |
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[21:56] <AmberJ> Unit193, should I put that in pcmanfm.desktop? Or, do you mean to ask? |
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[21:56] <Unit193> What is the file now? |
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[21:56] <wxl> she has Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U |
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[21:57] * AmberJ is a guy :D |
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[21:57] <wxl> ooops |
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[21:57] <AmberJ> np :) |
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[21:57] <Unit193> wxl: I thought it too |
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[21:57] * wxl decides to not use pronouns |
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[21:57] <AmberJ> Now, please don't stop helping me now that you guys know that I'm not a sexy chick ;) |
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[21:58] <wxl> well i'm certainly over it |
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[21:58] <wxl> you can get someone else |
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[21:58] <wxl> ;) |
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[21:58] <wxl> any luck with Xorg.0.log? |
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[21:58] <AmberJ> :( |
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[21:59] <Unit193> --desktop-off ? or try a different program, make sure that works |
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[22:00] <wxl> get this, Unit193 -- double clicking on the .desktop files works |
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[22:00] <AmberJ> wxl, No luck |
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[22:00] <wxl> so the Exec command is correct |
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[22:01] <wxl> obviously current $PATH is correct because HE can run pcmanfm from lxterminal without specifying full path |
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[22:01] <Unit193> Yeah, but pcmanfm can be picky on start, I'd try something simple like leafpad |
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[22:01] <AmberJ> Ok...this is weird. Typing 'pcmanfm', 'pcmanfm %U', 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber' won't start pcmanfm now |
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[22:01] <AmberJ> It won't give any errors either |
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[22:01] <wxl> weird |
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[22:01] <AmberJ> It just drops back to terminal prompt |
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[22:02] <wxl> maybe $PATH is messed up? |
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[22:02] <wxl> echo $PATH |
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[22:02] <AmberJ> I guess not, wxl ...here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/803488/ |
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[22:03] <AmberJ> pcmanfm starts fine from terminal once I click on it's icon in lxde menu |
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[22:04] <AmberJ> Let me reboot and confirm this...ok(?) |
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[22:06] <AmberJ> Come on guys...say yes! |
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[22:06] <wxl> yes? |
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[22:06] <wxl> i've got to tell you though |
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[22:06] <AmberJ> yes AmberJ you can reboot! |
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[22:06] <wxl> i'm not a guy |
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[22:06] <MrChrisDruif> YES!(?)?!(!)? |
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[22:06] <wxl> i'm a sexy chick |
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[22:06] <AmberJ> Shut up, wxl :D |
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[22:06] <wxl> :) |
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[22:07] <AmberJ> I don't want any chick jokes behind my back while I'm away rebooting :P |
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[22:07] * AmberJ will keep a close eye on #lubuntu logs |
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[22:07] <AmberJ> ;) |
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[22:14] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif wxl Unit193: got it working. I replaced 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U' with 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm' in pcmanfm.desktop :) |
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[22:14] <AmberJ> After reboot, I noticed that 'pcmanfm' worked from my terminal but 'pcmanfm %U' gives the same error "No such file or directory" |
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[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> Oh, what does the %U do actually? |
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[22:15] <AmberJ> And, 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber/Desktop' gives same error window first but when I press "ok" in error window, pcmanfm opens fine in /home/amber/Desktop |
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[22:15] <AmberJ> No idea what %U does. |
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[22:15] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, then you can submit a bug to pcmanfm to get it fixed for EVERYONE |
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[22:16] <AmberJ> But without %U, pcmanfm starts fine |
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[22:16] <MrChrisDruif> Bug/patch |
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[22:16] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, do you mean 'ubuntu-bug pcmanfm' ? |
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[22:17] <wxl> AmberJ: yep |
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[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> Something like that, yeah |
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[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> pcmanfm has launchpad project afaik |
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[22:17] <MrChrisDruif> You can raise a bug on there and include a solution as well |
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[22:19] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, I'm confused. Do I need to submit this to pcmanfm launchpad project page ? or, ubuntu's "ubuntu-bug pcmanfm"? |
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[22:19] <AmberJ> or, both? |
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[22:20] <wxl> same thing AmberJ |
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[22:20] <AmberJ> ok |
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[22:20] <MrChrisDruif> Listen to wxl |
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[22:21] <AmberJ> you mean THE CHICK? |
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[22:21] <AmberJ> ;) |
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[22:21] <MrChrisDruif> Yup |
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[22:21] <MrChrisDruif> No, I mean THA SEXY CHICK! |
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[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> ;-) |
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[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> We'll continue this in -offtopic if you don't mind |
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[22:22] <wxl> los pollitos dicen pio pio pio |
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[22:22] <phillw> AmberJ: the %U pulls in the UID, so that another user on the computer cannot edit your ~home area |
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[22:24] <AmberJ> phillw, So, should I suggest removing %U from 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm' in the bug report? |
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[22:25] <AmberJ> Or, should I add to bug report that 'Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm %U' should be replaced by "Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm /home/user"? (but this won't be portable) |
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[22:26] <phillw> from the GUI launching of pcmanfm? no. If your pcmanfm is not starting correctly, my guess would be the use of sudo pcmanfm at some point instead of gksudu pcmanfm |
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[22:27] <phillw> sudo <application> == broken application |
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[22:28] <AmberJ> Do we need sudo when auto-starting pcmanfm during login? philipballew |
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[22:29] <AmberJ> oops, sorry philipballew. I meant to hilight phillw. |
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[22:29] <phillw> no, you do not. But I've come late to this one. What is the error that you are getting? |
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[22:30] <AmberJ> phillw, When I try to autostart pcmanfm during login using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop ... |
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[22:30] <AmberJ> I get this: http://i.imgur.com/AMvjc.png |
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[22:31] <phillw> ahh, you want the window to open... pcmanfm already starts on boot. |
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[22:31] <AmberJ> So, I tried launching pcmanfm from terminal using different ways: |
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[22:31] <wxl> oh THAT'S the problem |
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[22:31] <AmberJ> I noticed that 'pcmanfm' worked from my terminal but 'pcmanfm %U' gives the same error "No such file or directory" |
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[22:31] <AmberJ> And, 'pcmanfm %U /home/amber/Desktop' gives same error window first but when I press "ok" in error window, pcmanfm opens fine in /home/amber/Desktop |
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[22:31] <wxl> derp |
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[22:31] <AmberJ> What? |
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[22:31] <wxl> pcmanfm already starts on boot |
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[22:32] <AmberJ> I was *busy* copy/pasting :D |
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[22:32] <phillw> yes, because you are asking pcmanfm to open %U |
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[22:32] <wxl> you ultimately just need to open a new window |
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[22:32] <AmberJ> And, how do I open a new window? |
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[22:33] <phillw> wxl: took a while to get there. Sorry for being late to this, I could have saved some confusion but was busy elsewhere :( |
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[22:35] <AmberJ> *bump* |
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[22:35] <Unit193> I'm almost back it it counts |
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[22:36] <wxl> phillw: so correct me if i'm wrong but his autostart .desktop should have Exec=pcmanfm and we're good right? |
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[22:36] <AmberJ> If you can help me, it counts. Otherwise not :D |
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[22:36] <AmberJ> Unit193, that^ was for you :P |
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[22:36] <phillw> I've never asked pcmanfm to open a window on start |
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[22:37] <Unit193> I have a desktop shortcut for it, actually (And yes, I know that's a weird way to do it) |
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[22:37] <phillw> but, as it works in terminal, it *should* |
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[22:38] <wxl> ok so AmberJ try Exec=pcmanfm (backup to Exec=/usr/bin/pcmanfm but you shouldn't need this) in your .desktop and you should be good. if so, no bug needed |
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[22:39] <AmberJ> wxl, but what if someone in future follows FAQ wiki page and faces the same problem due to %U being in there? |
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[22:39] <wxl> AmberJ: i'll take care of that, just do the checking |
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[22:39] <AmberJ> Right. Let me check... |
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[22:40] <AmberJ> wxl, 'Exec=pcmanfm' works fine. |
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[22:41] <wxl> great thx |
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[22:41] <AmberJ> I'm *not* submitting the bug report now. |
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[22:41] <wxl> will fix wiki |
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[22:41] <AmberJ> Thanks everyone :) |
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[22:43] <phillw> glad it got sorted! |
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[22:43] <phillw> wxl: go make a note on the FAQ about the slight difference to auto-open a pcmanfm window :) |
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[22:52] <wxl> AmberJ: http://is.gd/6pQHhS |
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[22:52] <AmberJ> Correct wxl. That's what worked for me :) |
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[22:54] <AmberJ> wxl, I don't know if this will be useful (since my problem is already solved) still...when trying to solve this problem, I bumped into this and it sounds familiar: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=87969.0 |
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[22:55] <AmberJ> I hope one can post links to forums of other linux distros (when it can be useful) in this channel(?) |
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[22:57] <wxl> NO! THAT'S AGAINST OUR RELIGION AMBER! |
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[22:57] <AmberJ> Add it to /topic then :D |
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[22:58] <wxl> hahahah |
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[22:58] <phillw> AmberJ: as it is marked [solved] and from the middle of last year, there seems little point awakening a dormant thread. |
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[22:59] <AmberJ> wxl: And, define 'religion' in a page on lubuntu wiki :P |
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[23:00] <AmberJ> phillw, I didn't meant to 'awaken' that thread...I'm way too lazy to do that :D I just posted it here so that *maybe* you guys can infer some useful info out of it. |
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[23:00] <AmberJ> If it is NOT useful, feel free to ignore it :) |
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[23:39] <AmberJ> Did my message reach this channel? Or, was I disconnected before it? |
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[23:39] <AmberJ> <AmberJ> That reminds me some part of my notification (on top right corner) is out of my monitor. Any ideas what could be causing this? |
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[23:39] <AmberJ> <AmberJ> If anyone can hilight me, I can get a screenshot of notification |
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[23:43] <AmberJ> Nevermind. Next time (tomorrow!) :) |
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[23:43] <AmberJ> Thanks everyone again :) |
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