| [15:26] <BluesKaj> Hey all | |
| [15:31] <dscassel> Morning, BluesKaj :) | |
| [15:32] <BluesKaj> hi dscassel :) | |
| [16:17] * genii-around makes coffee | |
| [16:33] <BluesKaj> snowing in the north channel | |
| [16:38] <bregma> cripes, I just accidentally started the upgrade to precise on my main machine | |
| [16:39] <bregma> here's hoping it's stable | |
| [16:45] <genii-around> bregma: I guess BluesKaj and I may see you later in #ubuntu+1 ;) | |
| [16:47] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I reverted to 11.10 so I haven't been hanging around there much lately | |
| [16:47] <bregma> actually, I'm in the same hotel in Hungary as the entire Canonical desktop team, I'm in good hands | |
| [16:48] <bregma> if they're not already in a nearby bar | |
| [16:50] <genii-around> Nice! | |
| [17:47] <epod> meh.,... | |
| [17:47] <epod> I'd order a system76 system, but they don't collect duties... so I have no idea WTF Canada customs would charge me, and shipping is already almost $100 | |
| [17:47] <epod> :S | |
| [17:49] <pangolin> epod: they will charge you the normal tax rate for your province | |
| [17:49] <epod> ah so 12% | |
| [17:50] <pangolin> I believe that is how they do it. | |
| [17:50] <pangolin> don't quote me on it. | |
| [17:50] <epod> so $84 | |
| [17:50] <epod> which would make, with shipping, the laptop almost $900 | |
| [17:51] <epod> I might as well buy a retail system at futureshop/bestbuy with those specs for $600 and put ubuntu on it | |
| [18:10] <genii-around> I think the Dell linux boxes can still be ordered from in Canada | |
| [18:13] <dscassel> epod: With System76, it's not customs you need to worry about. It's brokerage fees. | |
| [18:14] <dscassel> I'm probably going to try zareason for my next machine. | |
| [18:14] <dscassel> Much as I think the System76 guys are awesome... | |
| [18:18] <epod> dscassel, oh right ups' brokerage fee... ugh I guess system76 is out | |
| [18:19] <epod> I'm currently thinking either http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34104 or http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34111 I'm just a bit concerned about AMD Fusion stuff under Linux not being mature. And I don't know which is better for windows gaming. | |
| [20:29] <DarwinSurvivor> epod I got a system76 machine a few months go. had it shipped to a location in the US, then brught it over myself | |
| [20:30] <DarwinSurvivor> paid about $25 shipping and duty was just the 12% (I believe) | |
| [20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> actually, I don't think we had to pay anything to bring it accross, just the $25 shipping to get it to blaine | |
| [20:56] <DarwinSurvivor> you just have to get the shipping destination added as an authorized shipping destination to your credit card (5 minute phone call to the bank) | |
| [20:57] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, yeah, I could do that I suppose, Fargo isnt that far south. | |
| [20:58] <epod> genii-around, I havent found any on Dell's site, do you where I'd look? | |
| [20:58] <DarwinSurvivor> just add the shipping address to your card, then verify it with system76 before buying it | |
| [20:59] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, mmkay. | |
| [21:01] <dscassel> I'm very pro buying Ubuntu pre-installed. | |
| [21:01] <dscassel> But failing that, you can always look up potential purchases here: https://friendly.ubuntu.com/ | |
| [21:01] <DarwinSurvivor> some manufacturers (Acer I know of) will give you a partial refund on the OS if you send in your HDD for a full wipe right after purchase | |
| [21:02] <epod> dscassel, I'd like to, but Dell apparently has no ubuntu notebooks for sale in Canada anymore, and its a 3 ring circus (or really expensive) to get a system76 :( | |
| [21:02] <genii-around> epod: This is the old page: http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=ca&l=en&cs=cadhs1 if you use their search bar on top right with: linux laptop the first hit at top is the Inspiron N411Z | |
| [21:02] <DarwinSurvivor> just get something in writing from the manufacturer before purchase | |
| [21:02] <epod> genii-around, yeah, but if I go to BUY one, only win7 is available | |
| [21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> another route is small shops, they are usually more willing to bring in custom-build systems with no OS | |
| [21:04] <DarwinSurvivor> If you live in lower-mainland BC, geeks-are-us will probably do that for you | |
| [21:06] <epod> I'm in winnipeg, just checking out google to see if there's anything around here | |
| [21:07] <epod> DarwinSurvivor, I'm currently just thinking of going with http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/dell-dell-inspiron-15-6-laptop-featuring-intel-core-i3-2310m-processor-i15rn-7059dbk-black-i15rn-7059dbk/10174369.aspx?path=b79161cf9d839f2c30aa72808a84e255en02 and putting 11.10 on it | |
| [21:08] <epod> from what I can tell, all the hardware ought to work out of the box | |
| [21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> nice | |
| [21:09] <epod> oddly, $50 cheaper than buying the SAME laptop from Dell.ca | |
| [21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> there should be an equivalent on Dell's site | |
| [21:09] <epod> which I don't get :S | |
| [21:09] <epod> yeah there is, it's $50 more. | |
| [21:09] <epod> lol | |
| [21:09] <DarwinSurvivor> it won't be the same model number (bestbuy gets custom numbers for "price comparison" reasons), but there should be a VERY close one on Dell's site | |
| [21:10] * DarwinSurvivor just read up 5 lines, nvm... | |
| [21:11] <DarwinSurvivor> before you buy it, e-mail Dell's sales support asking what the procedure is for OS refunds (not if they exist, ask what they are) | |
| [21:11] <DarwinSurvivor> you can probably get 50-100 back :D | |
| [21:11] <epod> I just wonder if I can do some decent gaming on it, and ok, I will do that. | |
| [21:11] <epod> (by decent I mean, minecraft, trine, maybe wow) | |
| [21:12] <epod> all under linux of course, dual booting is the debbil. | |
| [21:54] <BobJonkman> Is there any advantage in a bulk purchase? | |
| [21:55] <BobJonkman> What if we created a Laptop Buying Consortium amongst Ubuntu-ca people. Would that reduce our cost in shipping, duty, brokerage fees? | |
| [22:14] <dscassel> Probably only works if we're all in the same city. | |
| [22:14] <dscassel> Although duty (and probably brokerage fees, because they're evil like that) are a percentage of the declared value. | |
| [22:14] <dscassel> But you'd save on shipping... | |
| [22:17] <epod> yeah the whole customs brokerage fees from UPS are insane. | |
| [22:17] <epod> I'd rather stuff ship USPS, but that isnt an option | |