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| [05:22] * MrCurious struggles to find qemu-system-arm | |
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| [12:29] <armin76> ogra_: got an origen board? | |
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| [22:24] <MrCurious> this keyring really annoys me | |
| [22:24] <MrCurious> headless machines should not require a login to bring up network | |
| [22:24] <persia> Which keyring? | |
| [22:25] <persia> They don't, but to not do so you need to configure the network, rather than relying on Network Manager | |
| [22:25] <MrCurious> unlock login keyring | |
| [22:25] <MrCurious> the login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer | |
| [22:26] <MrCurious> and to configure the network not relying on network manager, guessing there is not a nice gui for that | |
| [22:26] <persia> There's gnome-network-properties, but it doesn't get as much care, no. | |
| [22:27] <persia> Right. The package is called gnome-network-admin. | |
| [22:30] <MrCurious> installing that, see where it takes me :D | |
| [22:35] <persia> If it doesn't quite do what you want, editing /etc/network/interfaces is likely to do the right thing. | |
| [22:35] <MrCurious> yeah | |
| [22:45] <MrCurious> sigh. i think login keyring has it wrong | |
| [22:45] <MrCurious> if the user is auto logged in, should inherit its privs, and keyring acess | |
| [22:46] <persia> No, it intentionally doesn't. | |
| [22:46] <MrCurious> as asking for a pw after defeating a login pw request makes no sense | |
| [22:46] <persia> The idea being that autologin shouldn't automatically unencrypt your secrets. | |
| [22:46] <MrCurious> so intensionally allows them to login un challenged, but block them for touch ing teh net? | |
| [22:46] <persia> No. Network access works *unless* there is a password. | |
| [22:47] <MrCurious> is it possible to uninstall this keyring, so all apps can go back to the pre-keyring behavior? | |
| [22:47] <persia> pre-keyring is ~ 2007 | |
| [22:47] <MrCurious> i am ok with that | |
| [22:47] <persia> Sure, but Ubuntu wasn't compiling ARM back then. | |
| [22:47] <MrCurious> indeed | |
| [22:47] <persia> I suppose you could take the source of an old release, port to ARM, etc. ... | |
| [22:48] <MrCurious> what a PITA if you want to have a wireless networked system with the option to plug in a head | |
| [22:49] <MrCurious> i think there is a usability issue here that has not been addressed, or i am the only crazy person who wants their computer to connect to wifi before they login | |
| [22:49] <persia> No, lots of folks want that: the common use case is $HOME-on-nfs | |
| [22:49] <MrCurious> that cant be. i MUST have configured something wrong this install, as i THOUGHT it was auto logging in and connecting to teh network at one time | |
| [22:50] <MrCurious> shouldnt the wifi WPA2 setup be somewhat easier to find/enable then? | |
| [22:51] <persia> Yeah, well. Talk to the GNOME folk who decided this was the right model. | |
| [22:53] <persia> But keep in mind the counter-argument: just because someone happens to pick up your laptop, you don't want them to have all your passwords. | |
| [22:55] <MrCurious> or the argument that wifi password does not belong on the keyring | |
| [22:55] <MrCurious> i am suddenly wishing for a debian dist | |
| [22:57] <MrCurious> perhaps this is the answer i seek | |
| [22:57] <MrCurious> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188 | |
| [22:58] <stgraber> MrCurious: it's possible to have a system-wide setting in NetworkManager. It's ini-format files in /etc/NetworkManager/. Not sure if that still works with NetworkManager 0.9 but it definitely worked with 0.8 (used for a few customers who needed network for login) | |
| [23:00] <persia> Debian's Network Manager behaves the same. | |
| [23:01] <persia> stgraber, Does that correspond with "make available to all users"? | |
| [23:01] <stgraber> persia: I think so. IIRC that feature would convert your network definition from gconf+gnome-keyring into the .conf file in /etc/NetworkManager | |
| [23:02] <persia> That feature is still present in 0.9, although I'm not sure of the mechanism. | |
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