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[01:10] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, did you get my bug memo from earlier? |
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[01:23] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, not yet |
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[07:06] <pitti> Good morning |
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[07:31] <baptistemm> hello |
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[07:35] <baptistemm> hi pitti |
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[07:50] <pitti> hey baptistemm |
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[07:51] <vish> robert_ancell: hi, did the pidgin merge get approved? you were looking into the papercuts a few days ago for uploading, and seb`28 had mentioned it , but the bug has not auto-closed , so was wondering if the changelog had a bug# tpyo |
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[07:51] <vish> typo* |
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[07:51] <vish> heh, typo for a typo :D |
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[07:54] <robert_ancell> vish, sorry, not I haven't looked at it yet |
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[07:54] <vish> ah, k.. :) |
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[07:55] <didrocks> good morning |
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[07:56] <vish> bonjour! |
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[07:57] <didrocks> hey vish ;) |
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[07:59] <vish> yay! beta releasing today! |
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[08:00] <robert_ancell> vish, doing it now... |
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[08:00] <vish> robert_ancell: thanks :) |
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[08:01] <huats> morning |
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[08:01] <didrocks> salut huats |
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[08:01] * didrocks test the netbook beta iso now |
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[08:01] * vish grumbles at ATI! , let me use unity! |
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[08:04] <didrocks> vish: I think that harrassing RAOF can have positive result on that ;) (kidding, just to say, he is working on it ;)) |
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[08:04] <vish> :) |
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[08:07] <huats> hey didrocks |
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[08:23] <robert_ancell> vish, which description did you want? The one in the debian bug report? |
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[08:24] <vish> robert_ancell: the merge i had updated , that was the one with mpt's last suggestion |
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[08:24] <vish> the debian one was old.. |
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[08:25] <robert_ancell> vish, oh, too many patches, missed the merge :) |
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[08:26] <vish> robert_ancell: hehe , yeah, that bug has been around for ages :D |
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[09:01] <cassidy> kenvandine, didrocks: around ? |
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[09:01] <didrocks> salut cassidy |
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[09:01] <cassidy> hey! |
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[09:01] <cassidy> so, today is Empathy's hug day which is great and all but I just saw that Maverick still has 2.31.90 which is pretty buggy (first release with meta-contacts so lot of regressions) |
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[09:02] <cassidy> any chance to update to .91 asap so people will test a more decent version ? |
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[09:02] <cassidy> same for folks, it would be really nice to have 0.1.16 for tests |
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[09:02] <didrocks> cassidy: urgh, not really as we are in beta freeze today and we will have maybe some CD respin again :/ let me see if I can unblock that, gives me 10 minutes |
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[09:03] <cassidy> cool |
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[09:03] <didrocks> cassidy: in the worst case, we can setup a ppa and put that in the instruction of the hug day |
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[09:03] <cassidy> I can even make a 2.31.91.1 to have all the latest fixes (we fixed a bunch of regressions these last 2 days) |
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[09:03] <didrocks> that will be cool :) |
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[09:03] <cassidy> didrocks, yeah we could use the TP PPA |
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[09:04] <cassidy> didrocks, folks has been packaged in Debian, I'll upload it the the TP PPA |
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[09:04] <cassidy> and will make a .1 release too |
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[09:04] <didrocks> cassidy: let me see, it depends on the regression I currently get on the netbook installer, if we do a respin or not. Will be soon fixed if we respin or not |
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[09:04] <didrocks> cassidy: great, prepare the ppa in any case :) |
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[09:04] <cassidy> yeah that doesn't hurt |
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[09:05] <robert_ancell> didrocks, do you know much about libgtkhtml? It appears to be used by evo, and the latest version has changed library name from libgtkhtml-editor.so to libgtkhtml-editor-3.14.so |
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[09:06] <didrocks> robert_ancell: you made the update, right? that's why I didn't change it |
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[09:06] <didrocks> robert_ancell: we have a patch for that IIRC |
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[09:06] <robert_ancell> didrocks, I did the stable release update, I haven't made the 3.31 release |
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[09:06] <didrocks> robert_ancell: no, please, don't make 3.31 |
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[09:06] <robert_ancell> I mean update with the stable version of gtkhtml |
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[09:07] <didrocks> robert_ancell: we stay on 3.30.x for evo 2.30.x |
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[09:07] <robert_ancell> didrocks, ok, I'll put a note in versions. cheers |
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[09:07] <didrocks> robert_ancell: consider libgtkhtml beeing part of the evo stack |
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[09:24] <seb128> hey |
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[09:24] <seb128> being a bit late I've been doing some beta testing |
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[09:32] <didrocks> cassidy: I think the ppa will be the way to go for the hug day, do you need help there? (be sure that pedro is aware about that) |
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[09:32] <cassidy> didrocks, the folks package should reach incoming.debian soonish. I'll upload it to the PPA then |
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[09:33] <cassidy> didrocks, I'm doing the empathy release atm. then it would be cool if you could package it |
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[09:33] <didrocks> cassidy: sure, just keep me posted :) |
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[09:34] <seb128> check the queue before, updates have been done during the week and uploaded |
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[09:34] <seb128> they are just blocked until beta |
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[09:35] <seb128> when is the bug day? |
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[09:35] <seb128> next week? |
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[09:35] <seb128> the queue will be cleaned before that |
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[09:35] <didrocks> seb128: today |
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[09:35] <seb128> oh ok |
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[09:36] <seb128> timing sucks |
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[09:36] <didrocks> seb128: cassidy is making a new .1 release with latest fixes too |
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[09:36] <didrocks> right |
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[09:36] <cassidy> didrocks, folks uploaded to the PPA |
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[09:36] <seb128> ok |
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[09:39] <cassidy> didrocks, released http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/telepathy/2010-September/004852.html |
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[09:46] <didrocks> cassidy: thanks, will do it in some minutes |
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[09:47] <cassidy> great |
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[09:59] <fta> kenvandine, fyi, gwibber-service crashes a lot here with "GError: Unrecognized image file format" |
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[09:59] <seb128> fta: bug number? |
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[09:59] <fta> i'm looking for a dupe atm |
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[10:00] <seb128> let me know |
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[10:00] <seb128> so I can milestone it |
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[10:02] <fta> oh, there's a .91 available, i'll upgrade 1st |
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[10:02] <fta> empathy just crashed too |
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[10:03] <fta> SIGSEGV in tp_proxy_get_object_path() |
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[10:51] <seb128> pitti, hi! |
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[10:51] <pitti> Monsieur Bacher! ca va? |
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[10:51] <seb128> ca va bien ;-) |
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[10:52] <seb128> ca va même très bien :-) |
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[10:52] <seb128> et toi ? |
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[10:52] <seb128> pitti, while playing with maverick I noticed that mono applications crash in the guest session |
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[10:53] <seb128> pitti, would that be a bug in the guest session? |
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[10:53] <pitti> seb128: bien, merci! |
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[10:53] <pitti> seb128: do you have an AppArmor error in dmesg? |
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[10:53] <pitti> the AA profile might need updating |
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[10:53] <seb128> let me see in my logs |
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[10:54] <seb128> I had to restart my system crashes again when coming back from the guest session |
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[10:54] <seb128> some days I hate intel drivers |
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[10:54] <pitti> oh, I used the guest session a couple of times in maverick, and it behaved |
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[10:54] <pitti> but I might have a different card |
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[10:54] <seb128> it's not the guest session |
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[10:55] <seb128> it's xorg session switching |
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[10:55] <pitti> right |
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[10:55] <pitti> I mean that |
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[10:55] <seb128> the box crashes |
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[10:55] <seb128> ie keyboard led stop responding |
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[10:55] <seb128> can't do anything but use the power button |
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[10:56] <pitti> does ssh work still? |
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[10:56] <seb128> type=1400 audit(1283420455.774:51): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_mmap" parent=3311 profile="/usr/share/gdm/guest-session/Xsession" |
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[10:56] <seb128> pitti, ^ |
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[10:57] <seb128> name="/dev/shm/mono-shared-124-shared_data |
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[10:57] <pitti> ah |
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[10:58] <seb128> pitti, should I open a bug about it? |
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[10:59] <pitti> seb128: sure, please do; I need to disappear for an hour and run now, so I can't fix it right away |
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[10:59] <seb128> pitti, ok, see you! |
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[11:02] <mvo> glatzor: hi, around? |
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[11:24] <seb128> hey Keybuk |
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[11:24] <Keybuk> heyhey |
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[11:26] <seb128> Keybuk, how are you? |
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[11:26] <seb128> Keybuk, did you read pitti's comment on bug #615549 |
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[11:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615549 in gdm (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Dell Studio XPS 13 no video (affects: 2) (heat: 176)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615549 |
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[11:26] <seb128> Keybuk, would be nice if you could reply to it ;-) |
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[11:26] <Keybuk> I'm not too bad |
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[11:26] <Keybuk> is there any reason I should have read pitti's comment on that bug? |
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[11:27] <seb128> he Cc-ed you and asked you a question |
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[11:27] <Keybuk> ah, I /dev/null all bug mail that's not assigned to me |
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[11:27] <seb128> even direct cc? |
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[11:27] <seb128> ie if somebody subscribe you to the bug |
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[11:28] <Keybuk> if he Cc'd me in mail, I should have got it |
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[11:28] <Keybuk> right, I /dev/null that |
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[11:28] <seb128> ok |
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[11:28] <seb128> that's useful to know for next time ;-) |
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[11:31] <Keybuk> if you want me to look at a bug, the best thing is to just grab me on IRC like that - or drop me a mail :) |
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[11:31] <seb128> Keybuk, ok, noted for the next time |
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[11:31] <seb128> thanks ;-) |
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[11:33] <Keybuk> have replied, I would talk to cjwatson and apw about that bug |
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[11:34] <seb128> ok |
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[11:35] <seb128> pitti, ^ |
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[11:55] <tjaalton> is there a way to have a different default background for gdm & gnome (lucid)? |
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[11:55] <tjaalton> so far it seems "no" |
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[11:56] <seb128> there is |
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[11:56] <seb128> just change the background gconf key for the gdm user |
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[11:56] <seb128> sudo -u gdm gnome-appearance-properties |
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[11:56] <seb128> it's the easier way |
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[11:56] <seb128> or sudo -u gdm gconf-editor |
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[11:56] <tjaalton> hmm ok |
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[11:57] <tjaalton> right, I found the files in /var/lib/gdm, could just replace the one having that :) |
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[11:57] <seb128> you might need to add a dbus-launch in that |
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[11:57] <seb128> yes |
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[11:57] <tjaalton> ok thanks, sounds like a solutino |
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[11:57] <tjaalton> -on |
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[12:07] <pitti> re |
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[12:07] <pitti> Keybuk: thanks for the reply |
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[12:17] <chrisccoulson> i quite like Keybuk's approach to handling bug mail ;) |
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[12:18] <Keybuk> heh, it was born out of a few factors |
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[12:19] <Keybuk> firstly I'm really bad at bug mail, and I get shouty and ranty on it; when we experimented with Steve doing the triage and assigning them to me in late-Lucid, things got *so much more productive* |
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[12:19] <Keybuk> secondly the volume of bug mail across the bits I'm theoretically responsible for is so large, I would only have time to read and reply to it, I wouldn't have any time left to actually fix bugs or do work |
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[12:19] <Keybuk> and thirdly I'm almost entirely focussed on development - reading bugs doesn't really help with that :p |
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[12:20] <pitti> I largely ignore incoming bugs (package bug contact), I just jump on subscribed and assigned bugs |
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[12:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm pretty bad with bug mail. i tend to just let them build up for ages and then deleting them when i realise it would take me 2 days to read through them all |
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[12:20] <pitti> and then and again look at the package bug list and do some cleanup |
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[12:20] <chrisccoulson> i generally only read the ones that people assign to me |
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[12:21] <pitti> I can genearlly live with the bug mail genearted through subscribed/assigned bugs |
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[12:21] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm subscribed to mozilla bugs ;) |
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[12:21] * pitti sorts his e and r keys |
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[12:21] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you mean as being a package bug contact? |
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[12:21] <chrisccoulson> yeah |
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[12:22] <pitti> right, those are the ones I ignore |
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[12:22] <pitti> I mean explicitly subscribed |
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[12:22] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm starting to question the value of being subscribed to all mozilla bugs |
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[12:22] <pitti> I expect the cost-benefit ratio of that to be very low |
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[12:22] <pitti> erm, high I mean :) |
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[12:23] <chrisccoulson> i occasionally spot issues when i see bugs that are getting a lot of comments |
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[12:23] <chrisccoulson> and i spotted yesteday too that lots of people were reporting upgrade failures with ubufox |
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[12:23] <chrisccoulson> but apart from that, it's not much benefit |
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[12:24] <seb128> we still lack an efficient way to spot bugs we need to work on |
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[12:24] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i definately have that problem |
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[12:25] <seb128> I don't bother replying to bug emails nowadays but I still do read titles |
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[12:25] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's pretty much what i'm doing at the moment |
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[12:25] <seb128> it give me an idea of which ones are common issues or get comments often |
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[12:27] <seb128> I'm still trying to figure a way to build a comprehensive bugslist of things we should work on |
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[12:27] <seb128> which requires first to know what to put on the list |
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[12:27] * pitti fixes up the mountall lucid branch |
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[12:28] <seb128> but also to know how to display the list |
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[12:28] <seb128> ideally we would have a list of maverick bug tasks on the desktop set |
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[12:28] <seb128> or the xorg set |
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[12:28] <seb128> or the firefox set |
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[12:29] <seb128> then we just need to open maverick tasks for bugs we care about |
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[12:41] <seb128> mvo, hello |
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[12:41] <seb128> bug #587004 |
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[12:41] <seb128> do you want that to have a maverick task? |
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[12:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 587004 in update-notifier (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Update-notifier triggers an aptdaemon launch on start up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/587004 |
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[12:42] <seb128> I'm reviewing the bug nomination list |
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[12:43] <mvo> seb128: checking |
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[12:43] <mvo> seb128: I think that is hard to avoid without a suid binary, but I will double check |
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[12:43] <seb128> mvo, what about comment #8? |
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[12:44] <mvo> seb128: aha, indeed |
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[12:45] <seb128> mvo, if that's easy to do maybe maverick task set to low and assigned to you there? |
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[12:46] <mvo> seb128: I have a look at the code, should be staightfowrad |
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[12:47] <seb128> mvo, ok, do you mind if I assign some bugs to you while I clean nominations? feel free to unassign them |
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[12:47] <seb128> mvo, like bug #620297 |
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[12:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620297 in gdebi (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gdebi-gtk fails with ''dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags...." (affects: 24) (dups: 1) (heat: 96)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620297 |
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[12:47] <seb128> mvo, it's mainly a way to say "could you read the bug and check if that should be on the maverick list" ;-) |
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[12:48] <seb128> mvo, that will be easier than IRC pings I think |
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[12:48] <mvo> seb128: best is to show them to me here in irc |
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[12:48] <seb128> ok |
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[12:48] <seb128> so consider yourself pinged about the gdebi one as well |
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[12:49] <seb128> mvo, bug #624290 has a patch, would be nice to review |
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[12:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624290 in gdebi (Ubuntu) "gdebi crashes if the control file contains UTF-8 characters (affects: 1) (heat: 499)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624290 |
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[12:51] <mvo> looking |
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[12:54] <chrisccoulson> the mimetype detection logic in firefox makes me want to cry! |
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[12:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is there any reason to not just use gio nowadays? |
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[12:57] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - probably not, but that wouldn't stop it from being a mess. it seems very over-complicated |
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[13:00] <seb128> mvo, bug #617821, want it on your maverick list? |
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[13:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617821 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Forward/Back doesn't work as intended (affects: 1) (heat: 195)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617821 |
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[13:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - in fact, firefox 4.0 is already using gio (with a fallback to gnome-vfs) |
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[13:01] <seb128> ok |
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[13:02] <chrisccoulson> but it's just bolted on to the previously over-complicated logic ;) |
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[13:02] <chrisccoulson> i should probably try porting the gconf bits to gsettings at some point |
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[13:04] <bilalakhtar> mvo: You know better, but I think bug #627985 is good to go ahead. What do you think? |
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[13:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627985 in apt-transport-debtorrent (Ubuntu) "Sync apt-transport-debtorrent 0.2.2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627985 |
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[13:04] <nessita> good morning everyone |
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[13:04] <bilalakhtar> mvo: You have uploaded to it many times, and it appears that the only change is not also in debian |
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[13:05] <bilalakhtar> s/not/now/ |
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[13:05] <mvo> bilalakhtar: I look at it |
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[13:15] <seb128> pitti, bug #595344 |
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[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 595344 in jockey (Ubuntu) "jockey failed to install Broadcom B43 wireless driver (affects: 4) (heat: 61)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/595344 |
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[13:15] <seb128> do you want that one nominated? |
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[13:15] <seb128> bug #613655 seems similar |
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[13:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613655 in jockey (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom B43 wireless driver fails to activate/install (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/613655 |
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[13:15] <seb128> seems the b43 packaging is different |
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[13:15] <seb128> you need to install a new binary |
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[13:16] <bilalakhtar> mvo: I hope its good. your view? |
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[13:18] <bilalakhtar> have to go now, sorryt |
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[13:19] <pitti> seb128: hm, maybe the URL changed; but I guess we could just entirely remove that driver and just offer wl |
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[13:19] <pitti> seb128: please nominate, duplicate, and assign to me; can do after my holidays |
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[13:20] <seb128> pitti, ok |
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[13:20] <pitti> seb128: merci |
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[13:20] <seb128> pitti, the bug suggest the packaging changed to have installers |
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[13:23] <seb128> pitti, ok assigned |
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[13:44] <slomo> seb128: any chance you or someone else could update gst-plugins-bad and -ugly in ubuntu? probably too late now... |
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[13:44] <seb128> could be done after beta but I've no time for it |
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[13:44] <seb128> if somebody in motu lands want to do it why not |
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[13:45] <seb128> ^ whoever could be wanting to work on those? |
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[13:45] <slomo> ok, let's hope someone has the time for it... -ugly should be just a sync but -bad needs changes because of your plugin moves to -good |
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[13:45] <slomo> also would be nice if someone could update the -bad-multiverse and -ugly-multiverse packages :) |
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[13:48] <slomo> seb128: i wonder if i still have the required permissions to do it... but i'd also need someone to tell me what your policies are nowadays :P i simply don't want to close upstream bugs and tell people that the bugs are fixed since months immediately after the ubuntu release... |
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[13:48] <seb128> slomo, you still have upload rights |
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[13:48] <seb128> slomo, no special requirements, those are in universe |
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[13:49] <seb128> slomo, you can just do the update and upload if you want |
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[13:49] <seb128> source uploads so you don't need an ubuntu box to build |
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[13:49] <seb128> rather easy it is no ;-) |
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[13:49] <slomo> sounds good, when is "after beta"? :) |
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[13:50] <ogra> slomo, later tonight or tomorrow |
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[13:50] <seb128> you can upload |
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[13:50] <ogra> publishing is in the works |
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[13:50] <seb128> those will just queue and there is no freeze for universe |
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[13:50] <seb128> so somebody will get those in |
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[13:50] <slomo> ok, i'll try to find some time to get these updated later today or tomorrow then |
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[13:51] <seb128> thank you |
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[13:58] <slomo> seb128: you'll care for good? only change for the release (later today, really) will be the version number (compared to .5) |
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[13:58] <seb128> yes |
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[13:58] <seb128> we have .5 |
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[13:58] <seb128> so should be easy ;-) |
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[13:58] <slomo> good :) |
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[13:58] <slomo> except the plugin moves :P but you're probably using dh_autoreconf anyway |
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[13:59] <seb128> no we don't actually for this one yet but the autoreconf change applies without issue between minor version |
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[13:59] <seb128> so it didn't annoy me enough to switch to dh-autoreconf |
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[14:00] <slomo> ok |
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[14:35] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, thanks for making those uploads to telepathy PPA :) |
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[14:36] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: yw ;) it will be in maverick ASAP we unfreeze |
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[14:36] <didrocks> but it's better to have the latest crack for the hug day :-) |
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[14:36] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, yeah, i knew it was gonna unfreeze today, i was the one that pushed them to be put on the PPA seeing the bad timing of everything |
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[14:37] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: oh ok :-) |
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[14:46] <seb128> pitti, mvo: I've no closed source drivers on that box but do you know if bug #570215 is still valid? |
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[14:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 570215 in jockey (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] jockey should use the new Lucid restart notification system (affects: 2) (heat: 28)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570215 |
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[14:46] <pitti> presumably it is; I never changed anything in that regard |
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[14:49] <seb128> pitti, do you think that's something that should be on the maverick list as a low importance task? |
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[14:50] <pitti> seb128: not sure how important it is, but please feel free to assign to me for now |
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[14:51] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks |
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[14:52] <seb128> pitti, seems it's a simple matter of writting /var/run/reboot-required |
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[14:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, kenvandine: some packages I submitted on Tuesday are still in the queue, so, do I need to do anything to have them reviewed/uploaded? |
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[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, just wait until after beta |
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[14:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok |
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[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, we are frozen for beta since thursday |
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[14:56] <rodrigo_> until when? |
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[14:56] <seb128> rodrigo_, if you need something to get in it should fix a beta bug and you need to ask the release team to approve it |
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[14:56] <seb128> until beta is released |
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[14:56] <seb128> which should be today in theory |
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[14:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, no, I can wait |
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[14:56] <seb128> not sure if that's on track, it could be tomorrow |
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[15:03] <desrt> tedg: hey |
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[15:03] <desrt> tedg: wrote a mail to xdg list today about my actions interface that i just added to glib |
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[15:04] <tedg> desrt, Yeah, I read through that -- I didin't know dbus had a maybe type. |
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[15:04] <desrt> it's not on master yet, but i guess it will be by next week |
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[15:04] <desrt> it doesn't |
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[15:04] <desrt> but it will soon |
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[15:04] <desrt> and until then there is a well-accepted way to fake it |
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[15:04] <tedg> Oh, now I don't feel as stupid :) |
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[15:05] <desrt> when you consider that a maybe type is essentially just an array that is constrained to only having 0 or 1 items in it... |
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[15:05] <desrt> then you see that ax <-> mx |
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[15:06] <desrt> anyway. what is your opinion? |
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[15:06] <tedg> Makes sense to me. I probably need to re-read it knowing that. |
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[15:06] <desrt> since it seems likely that you have a role in building on this interface, probably you should be OK with it :) |
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[15:07] <tedg> Do you think the spec needs a set of "well known" action names? |
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[15:07] <desrt> no |
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[15:07] <tedg> It seems like that'd be required for scripting. |
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[15:07] <desrt> but i think it needs a set of well-known context items |
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[15:07] <desrt> like x11-timestamp |
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[15:07] <tedg> Yeah, that was my next comment. |
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[15:07] <tedg> Why not the well known actions? |
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[15:07] <desrt> the set of actions will be extremely diverse depending on the application anyway |
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[15:08] <desrt> some like Quit might make sense |
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[15:08] <tedg> Yes, but I think there are probably 10 or so that are fairly universal. |
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[15:08] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: around? |
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[15:08] <desrt> so another thing that may interest you is that i'm working on another interface at the same time |
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[15:08] <desrt> i may or may not bother to take this the freedesktop route |
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[15:08] <tedg> dconf? ;) |
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[15:08] <desrt> but it's basically an application interface |
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[15:08] <desrt> so far there are only two things that applications can do: |
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[15:08] <desrt> 1) they can be activated |
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[15:08] <desrt> 2) they can be asked to open files |
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[15:09] <tedg> It seems like there should be a 3) parse a command line? |
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[15:09] <desrt> ah right. they can do that too |
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[15:09] <desrt> i forgot :) |
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[15:09] <tedg> It'd be nice to be able to get a list of windows and/or documents. Just to avoid the introspection of dbus. |
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[15:10] <desrt> http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/tree/gio/gapplication.h?h=application#n93 |
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[15:10] <bilalakhtar_> kenvandine: sorry, I am here |
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[15:10] <desrt> 'startup' is an implicit one that happens at the start |
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[15:10] <desrt> 'activate' 'open' 'action' and 'command_line' are the ones to happen via dbus |
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[15:10] <desrt> but.... |
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[15:10] <desrt> 'action' is clearly handled by this new spec now |
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[15:11] <tedg> desrt, It'd be nice to do some sort of session management in that class as well... but, that's a whole mess that's poorly defined :( |
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[15:11] <popey> is there known breakage at the moment in going lucid -> maverick? I'm getting http://popey.com/~alan/maverick.png http://popey.com/~alan/apt.log lots of broken depends around xorg ABI stuff.. |
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[15:11] <desrt> ya. i'd like to dodge that for now :) |
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[15:11] <tedg> desrt, Someday, someone involved in the freedesktop is going to have to fix that. |
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[15:11] <desrt> this project is already dangerously overdue |
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[15:11] <desrt> considering we have to have a glib release by end-of-month |
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[15:12] <desrt> it's getting close to the "okay, we'll drop GApplication entirely" point |
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[15:12] <tedg> Whoa? I didn't realize that. |
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[15:12] <tedg> I thought glib and gtk released roughly together, no? |
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[15:12] <desrt> GDBus and GSettings have not yet seen a stable release |
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[15:12] <bilalakhtar_> popey: yes there is |
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[15:12] <desrt> imagine trying to have the next stable GNOME or ubuntu release... |
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[15:13] <desrt> nah. glib and gtk schedules drift quite a bit |
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[15:13] <tedg> desrt, Yeah, so that's why I thought GLib would release in Dec like GTK |
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[15:13] <bilalakhtar_> popey: let me give you the link |
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[15:13] <desrt> well |
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[15:13] <desrt> maverick depends a lot on the unstable glib right now |
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[15:13] <desrt> so we need to drop a stable release in order for maverick to ship.... |
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[15:14] <tedg> desrt, Yes, but it's probably not super important that GApplication is in there, no? |
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[15:14] <desrt> well |
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[15:14] <tedg> desrt, It's more important that it's in for dec. |
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[15:14] <bilalakhtar> popey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-August/000744.html |
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[15:14] <desrt> the problem is that GApplication is *already* in there |
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[15:14] <tedg> Oh |
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[15:14] <desrt> in a totally broken form |
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[15:14] <desrt> total-rewrite territory |
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[15:14] <popey> oh thanks :) |
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[15:15] <desrt> anyway.. i'd be happier if we had it ready for end-of-month :) |
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[15:15] <bilalakhtar> popey: np, my pleasure in helping a famous person :D |
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[15:15] <tedg> desrt, So you're saying no session management? ;) |
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[15:16] <desrt> well |
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[15:16] <desrt> it doesn't belong in GApplication, to be sure |
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[15:16] <desrt> it's something we could maybe consider for GtkApplication |
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[15:16] <tedg> desrt, Just to be curious, why not? It seems like command line apps should shutdown gracefully as well. |
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[15:17] <desrt> isn't session management a necessarily Xish thing? |
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[15:17] <desrt> (i assume you're talking about "Session Management(tm)") |
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[15:17] <tedg> desrt, It is now, but the proposal from the fedora folks puts more of it in places like ConsoleKit. |
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[15:18] <tedg> desrt, One of the problems is with multiple users, if I shutdown the system, I want your session to shutdown gracefully as well. |
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[15:19] <desrt> to be honest, it's not on my radar |
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[15:19] <desrt> and i don't really appreciate/understand it |
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[15:20] <desrt> the way that i would see it working is that there is some central session-manager type service |
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[15:20] <tedg> desrt, I was trying to get time to work on it a while back before the whole DX thing started at Canonical. Someday, I'd still like to solve it. |
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[15:20] <desrt> and individual apps register with it |
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[15:20] <seb128> hey desrt |
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[15:20] <desrt> and then when shutdown wants to happen each app is asked |
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[15:20] <desrt> seb128: hello |
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[15:20] <seb128> pitti, btw I removed the retracers lock I just want to have an estimation of the backlog |
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[15:20] <seb128> pitti, they will probably crash but I will now what is waiting at least |
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[15:21] <tedg> desrt, Yeah, that's it in a nutshell. The problems start coming with supporting old protocols, etc. |
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[15:21] <desrt> seb128: is the current release of dconf somehow broken by new glib? |
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[15:21] <seb128> desrt, dunno we didn't get the new glib yet |
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[15:21] <desrt> let me know |
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[15:21] <seb128> desrt, we are frozen for beta since thursday |
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[15:21] <desrt> i get this nagging feeling i may need to do a release |
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[15:21] <seb128> desrt, we should unfreeze today or tomorrow so I will let you know |
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[15:21] <desrt> but at the same time i am annoyed because david changed an API again and probably we have to change it *again* |
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[15:22] <seb128> desrt, speaking of which if you change gapplication now that will break things as well |
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[15:22] <desrt> we're *definitely* not shipping glib with GApplication in its current state |
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[15:22] <desrt> it's really awful |
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[15:22] <seb128> ok |
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[15:23] <seb128> what is the plan to fix GNOME 2.32? |
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[15:23] <desrt> we'll either replace it or rip it out entirely |
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[15:23] <seb128> it's hard freezing next week no? |
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[15:23] <desrt> well |
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[15:23] <desrt> probably we don't ship GtkApplication either, actually |
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[15:23] <seb128> things in 2.31 are using gapplication |
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[15:23] <seb128> what happens to them |
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[15:23] <desrt> ie: no backport |
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[15:23] <desrt> *shrug* |
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[15:23] <seb128> ie nautilus |
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[15:23] <desrt> ask vuntz |
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[15:23] <desrt> i have no idea |
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[15:24] <mvo> popey: re xorg - there is a xserver-xorg-core in the queue that hopefully fixes those issues |
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[15:24] <seb128> Date: 2010-06-18 |
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[15:24] <seb128> Port to GApplication. |
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[15:24] <seb128> Drop the libunique dependency. |
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[15:24] <seb128> vuntz, ^ |
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[15:24] <mvo> popey: there is also a apt branch that solves the underlying problem, if you are keen to try it |
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[15:24] <popey> mvo: magic, thanks for letting me know |
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[15:24] <popey> I'll wait :) |
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[15:24] <desrt> i told vuntz the day before yesterday that we have no time/effort/inclination to have a backported GtkApplication for gtk 2.22 |
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[15:24] <desrt> he said OK |
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[15:24] <seb128> desrt, well they don't use it |
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[15:24] <seb128> they just use gapplication |
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[15:24] <desrt> ah |
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[15:24] <desrt> different story... |
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[15:24] <mvo> popey: fair enough :) |
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[15:24] <seb128> instead of libunique |
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[15:25] <desrt> i will have to hurry, i guess |
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[15:25] <seb128> desrt, 2.31 uses gtk2 not gtk3 |
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[15:25] <popey> mvo: its apple hardware so I have enough issues to content with :) |
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[15:25] <seb128> desrt, so no gtkapplication |
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[15:25] <desrt> ah true |
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[15:25] <seb128> desrt, but glib 2.25 has gapplication |
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[15:25] <desrt> i thought maybe they were depending on it from master |
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[15:25] <seb128> which nautilus and some other use |
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[15:25] <desrt> and waiting for the backport |
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[15:25] <seb128> no |
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[15:25] <desrt> okay. that's some good news. |
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[15:25] <seb128> well still hard freeze is next week |
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[15:26] <desrt> ya. bit of an ugly situation here, i agree |
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[15:26] <seb128> if you are going to break abi before 2.26 GNOME is on a tight schedule |
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[15:26] <desrt> and i'd really rather not say "go back to libunique for now" |
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[15:26] <desrt> seb128: do you have any idea of the full list of GApplication users? |
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[15:27] <vuntz> seb128: what's the issue? :-) |
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[15:27] <seb128> vuntz, GNOME 2.31 uses gapplication |
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[15:27] <desrt> vuntz: we're ripping GApplication out of glib |
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[15:27] <seb128> vuntz, but desrt wants to easier break abi or drop it for 2.26 |
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[15:27] <vuntz> desrt: err, you didn't tell me that part yesterday |
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[15:27] <desrt> and maybe replacing it with a different unrelated thing called GApplication |
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[15:27] <desrt> vuntz: i forgot :) |
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[15:27] <vuntz> tss |
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[15:27] <seb128> Binary file eog matches |
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[15:27] <seb128> Binary file gnome-display-properties matches |
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[15:27] <seb128> Binary file nautilus matches |
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[15:28] <desrt> oh |
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[15:28] <seb128> grepping for g_appli |
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[15:28] <desrt> that's peanuts |
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[15:28] <vuntz> desrt: mail ddl before doing it |
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[15:28] <seb128> still running wait ;-) |
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[15:28] <seb128> Binary file totem matches |
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[15:28] <vuntz> desrt: but that's really late to do so, that sounds bad |
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[15:28] <seb128> desrt, seems to be the list on my system but I'm lacking some 2.31 updates |
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[15:28] <desrt> vuntz: we decided at GUADEC that GApplication is really bad |
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[15:29] <desrt> even walters thinks so -- and he wrote it! |
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[15:29] <desrt> so i started fixing it |
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[15:29] <vuntz> desrt: but the plan was (at least, the part I understood) that the new fixed GApplication would be in |
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[15:29] <desrt> but i had vacation booked |
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[15:29] <desrt> and when i came back work assigned me to another project |
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[15:29] <desrt> so.... |
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[15:29] <desrt> vuntz: right . i think i can manage it. |
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[15:29] <desrt> but it will be tight. |
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[15:29] <vuntz> desrt: how come you can go on vacation like that? And in France, but not in Grenoble. |
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[15:29] <desrt> and it will be *totally* incompatible |
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[15:30] <desrt> i'm not on vacation in france. i'm working. |
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[15:30] <vuntz> desrt: really, mail ddl about it because I'm pretty sure users of GApplication are not aware of that |
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[15:30] <vuntz> desrt: between incompatible API and going back to libunique for 2.32, they might just go back to libunique |
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[15:30] * desrt wrote 1300 lines of code yesterday :p |
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[15:31] <desrt> hmm |
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[15:31] <desrt> would make it possible to drop GApplication |
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[15:31] <vuntz> yes |
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[15:31] <desrt> i'm fairly sure that waiting could produce a better result anyway |
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[15:31] <vuntz> so... send a mail, put a deadline to get a consensus before Monday, and you're done :-) |
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[15:31] <desrt> i'll see what matthias thinks |
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[15:36] <seb128> desrt, vuntz: thanks |
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[15:37] <desrt> i have sent the mail |
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[15:37] * desrt puts on asbestos pajamas |
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[15:38] <desrt> vuntz: btw: i want release team to issue a public statement on the topic of licences |
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[15:38] <desrt> what is appropriate for libraries and what is appropriate for apps |
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[15:38] <desrt> and what is appropriate for quasi-library apps (like gvfs daemon) |
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[15:38] <tedg> desrt, Did the final get to GPLv2|LGPLv3 ? |
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[15:38] <vuntz> desrt: http://live.gnome.org/VincentUntz/Philosophy |
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[15:39] <desrt> the release team was renamed to VincentUntz? :) |
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[15:39] <bilalakhtar> seb128: I know it would sound wierd, but could you please endorse my MOTU application? (After all, you're a core-dev) |
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[15:39] <vuntz> desrt: that's a draft |
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[15:39] <kenvandine> fta: i uploaded gwibber with a patch to handle that exception last night, but it wasn't causing a crash for me |
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[15:39] <vuntz> desrt: comments welcome |
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[15:39] <kenvandine> fta: was gwibber-service actually crashing? or just a traceback? |
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[15:39] <desrt> vuntz: i like ted's idea, actually |
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[15:40] <seb128> bilalakhtar, can do ;-) |
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[15:40] <desrt> LGPLv3+ with a 'backwards compatibility, but deprecated' GPLv2 option |
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[15:40] <seb128> bilalakhtar, could you drop me an email so I don't drop the task? |
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[15:40] <bilalakhtar> seb128: do it whenever you have time, well you only sponsored 1 change of mine |
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[15:40] <bilalakhtar> Thanks seb128 ! |
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[15:40] <tedg> desrt, To be fair, that's bkuhn's idea. |
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[15:40] <seb128> bilalakhtar, I've seen you active on bugs and changes from you in the sponsoring queue |
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[15:40] <seb128> bilalakhtar, so that's ok ;-) |
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[15:41] * bilalakhtar adds 'Send mail to seb128 ' to his todo |
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[15:41] <desrt> tedg: meh. it's an idea that a lot of people have had independently, i think. i had it myself before i heard it from anyone else :p |
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[15:41] <kenvandine> fta: actually my patch i uploaded doesn't include that fix... but it is fixed in trunk |
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[15:42] <bilalakhtar> actually, kenvandine has sponsored more stuff so I think I should ask him as well :) Please, ken! |
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[15:42] <kenvandine> fta: i would like to know if it is a crash though |
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[15:42] <kenvandine> bilalakhtar, i am not a core-dev yet :) |
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[15:42] <tedg> desrt, Heh, then it must be divine intervention! ;) |
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[15:42] <kenvandine> bilalakhtar, just ~ubuntu-desktop |
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[15:42] <desrt> let's do it!! |
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[15:42] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: ah, the application is for MOTU |
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[15:42] <vuntz> desrt: I'm unsure if LGPLv3+ + GPLv2 would work. Would need a lawyer for that :-) |
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[15:43] <desrt> isn't bkuhn a lawyer or something? |
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[15:43] <vuntz> desrt: not a lawyer |
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[15:43] <kenvandine> bilalakhtar, i'll gladly recommend you though |
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[15:43] <bilalakhtar> as you wish, kenvandine |
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[15:43] <kenvandine> wiki page? |
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[15:43] <bilalakhtar> thanks for the recommendation ! |
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[15:43] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/MOTUApplication |
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[15:43] <desrt> vuntz: is GPLv2(only) apps and libraries your only reason for not supporting lgpl3? |
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[15:44] <desrt> or also the "we piss off the corporate types" angle? |
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[15:44] <vuntz> desrt: is there any other free license that have an issue with lgplv3? or is it just gplv2? |
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[15:44] <desrt> gpl2 only |
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[15:44] <vuntz> desrt: I don't have an answer to this question, and that would be my main issue |
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[15:45] <desrt> so i was having a thought experiment yesterday |
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[15:45] <desrt> you'll remember i said to you in a recent email exchange "anybody who licences gpl2-only has made a mistake" |
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[15:45] <desrt> what's the difference between gpl2 and gpl2+, though? |
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[15:45] <desrt> the only difference is that one of them allows linking with (l)gpl3, as well |
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[15:46] <desrt> but there are still problems with other copyleft licences |
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[15:46] <desrt> so it got me thinking that really *any* strong copyleft licence is a problem sooner or later |
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[15:46] <desrt> and the only reason we see the issue differently at all is because GPL is really "the" copyleft licence |
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[15:46] <vuntz> desrt: ah, see. Now you want to use BSD! |
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[15:47] <vuntz> desrt: I'm fine with that :-) |
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[15:47] <desrt> so nobody tends to care about GPL vs. (other-copyleft) |
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[15:47] <desrt> no |
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[15:47] <desrt> i think i'd rather write apps with LGPL |
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[15:47] <desrt> the mixing-the-codebases case is rare enough |
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[15:47] <desrt> even more rare when you want to do it with two different incompatible copyleft licences |
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[15:47] <desrt> not a big issue |
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[15:47] <desrt> but the "can i use this library?" issue is coming up all the time |
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[15:48] <desrt> with LGPL the answer is always 'yes' |
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[15:48] <vuntz> except that it's "no" for LGPLv3 library and GPLv2 app :-) |
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[15:48] <desrt> that's not true |
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[15:48] <desrt> the lgplv3 says "yes. you can!" |
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[15:49] <desrt> the gplv2 says "no." |
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[15:49] <desrt> it's like saying the lgplv3 prevents you from linking your software to that copy of oracle that you downloaded from the pirate bay |
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[15:49] <desrt> no. it doesn't. |
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[15:49] <desrt> but oracle might have some things to say about it :) |
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[15:50] <desrt> (an interesting question is if anybody using strict GPLv2 would ever go after someone for linking their software against LGPLv3 libraries...) |
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[15:52] <desrt> anyway.. the whole issue can be dodged by saying 'plus GPL2 for compatibility reasons' |
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[15:57] <fta> kenvandine, what do you mean? it triggered apport but it's just an assert from python |
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[15:57] <kenvandine> humm |
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[15:57] <kenvandine> is gwibber-service dieing? |
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[15:58] <kenvandine> i guess apport doesn't catch it if i run from a checkout |
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[15:58] <kenvandine> which is the only place i have seen it... well it should be OK in trunk |
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[15:59] <kenvandine> we now catch the exception and log it |
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[15:59] <kenvandine> we should actually remove that bad file from the cache too... i'll do that today |
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[16:09] <rickspencer3> looks like identi.ca got bitten by the twitter ouath bug as well |
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[16:09] <rickspencer3> and by "bug", I mean, like the flu |
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[16:09] <Laney> they could scarcely have announced that more widely |
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[16:09] <Laney> not as if it was a surprise! |
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[16:09] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh, they are dropping basic auth too? |
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[16:10] <kenvandine> i am sure they will be easier to work with though :) |
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[16:10] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, I dunno, I got an email from identi.ca that said, your twitter bridge is no longer working |
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[16:10] <mvo> seb128: * debian/patches/91_keep_fds.patch: - Applied upstream <- that looks very fishy |
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[16:10] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, oh... |
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[16:10] <kenvandine> i thought you meant they were dropping basic auth and we would need to quickly migrate to oauth |
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[16:11] <kenvandine> we should do that anyway... since i am sure it'll happen eventually |
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[16:19] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, sorry for the false alarm |
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[16:19] <kenvandine> you did scare me :) |
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[16:19] <kenvandine> thought i was going to lose sleep this weekend again :) |
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[16:19] <seb128> lol |
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[16:19] <seb128> mvo, I think upstream said it was not required with their changes |
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[16:20] <seb128> mvo, but I guess it didn't get really tested our of upstream word for it |
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[16:20] <mvo> yeah |
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[16:21] * mvo grumbles a bit |
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[16:22] <fta> kenvandine, http://paste.ubuntu.com/487299/ (that was with .90) |
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[16:24] <kenvandine> fta: ok, i'll get that patch uploaded too |
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[16:25] <devildante> anyone has a little nasty bug they want to get fixed? I'm a little bored :p |
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[16:25] <devildante> hi mvo :) |
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[16:25] <mvo> hey devildante |
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[16:26] <mvo> seb128: I don't think the python bindings export the stuff I need to make it work, so I want 91_keep_fds back |
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[16:26] <seb128> mvo, feel free to bounce him back the bug |
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[16:26] <mvo> seb128: pretty please ;) |
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[16:27] <seb128> mvo, can you state what you need in the bug? |
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[16:27] <seb128> I will get it assigned to robert_ancell |
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[16:27] <seb128> mvo, "Featured" was in lucid s-c right? |
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[16:28] <seb128> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/BetaAnnouncement has |
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[16:28] <seb128> 'including the new "Featured" and "What's New" views for showcasing applications' |
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[16:28] <seb128> I was wondering if that's correct |
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[16:28] <seb128> or it was a category but not a view before? |
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[16:28] <seb128> tremolux, ^ |
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[16:28] <tremolux> seb128: the views are new, yes |
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[16:29] <seb128> ok, thanks |
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[16:29] <tremolux> seb128: now they are more "dynamic", cool widgets to allow the lists to be browsable from the front panel |
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[16:29] <seb128> rickspencer3, "The boot process is cleaner and faster" |
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[16:29] <seb128> tremolux, ok, makes sense to have it listed then ;-) |
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[16:30] <mvo> seb128: yeah, what tremolux said, much more shinny now |
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[16:30] <seb128> rickspencer3, who wrote that? did we change anything to make it "cleaner" this cycle? |
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[16:30] <mvo> "crisp" |
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[16:30] <seb128> mvo, tremolux: great work ;-) |
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[16:30] <seb128> s-c rocks |
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[16:31] <seb128> mvo, tremolux: do you have any bug about "nothing happens while loading views"? |
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[16:31] <mvo> I don't think so |
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[16:31] <seb128> I though for a moment that s-c was buggy, I clicked on the ubuntu provided view in the sidebar |
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[16:31] <seb128> the cursor only spins over the right panel though |
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[16:32] <mvo> seb128: its a team thing, kiwinote, devildante nzmm and more |
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[16:32] <seb128> so I had non spinning cursor and blank view for 15 seconds |
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[16:32] <mvo> they made it rock this cycle |
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[16:32] <seb128> great work everybody ;-) |
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[16:32] <devildante> Thanks, mvo, seb128 :) |
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[16:36] <tremolux> seb128, mvo, devildante: totally! the team rocked s-c this cycle |
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[16:36] <devildante> ;) |
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[16:37] <devildante> do we have plans for usc 4.0? |
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[16:37] <kiwinote> indeed, has been great fun working with everyone :) |
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[16:37] <seb128> mvo, tremolux: is the "nothing happens during view loading" worth a bug? |
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[16:38] <tremolux> seb128: so, for me, it takes about 1/2 second to open that view, but it's true that the busy cursor is only showing when over the right panel |
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[16:38] <seb128> here on my laptop it takes 6 seconds |
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[16:38] <seb128> and that's for the installed softwars |
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[16:38] <seb128> ie not the whole "what is available" |
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[16:39] <seb128> it's a duo core config quite fast |
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[16:39] <tremolux> seb128: yes, installed software is slow as it's a much longer list :( |
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[16:39] <seb128> well I though it was buggy, I selected another view before it loaded |
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[16:39] <seb128> since nothing was happening for 5 seconds |
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[16:39] <seb128> could we get a spinner in the right side |
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[16:40] <seb128> ie some animation starting when you click |
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[16:40] <seb128> I guess it's late for that this cycle though |
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[16:40] <tremolux> seb128: yeah, something in the panel would be nice |
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[16:41] <rickspencer3> seb128, there was work on the boot process, yes |
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[16:41] <tremolux> seb128: but a faster load time would be nicer ;) |
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[16:41] <seb128> rickspencer3, desktop work? or grub? |
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[16:42] <seb128> bug #556375 |
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[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 556375 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Response too slow when clicking "Provided by Ubuntu" subitem of "Installed Software" (affects: 3) (heat: 31)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556375 |
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[16:42] <seb128> tremolux, mvo: ^ I guess |
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[16:43] <mvo> tremolux: maybe devildante can fix the busy cursor ;) |
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[16:43] <rickspencer3> seb128, it's all foundations, so far as I know |
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[16:43] <tremolux> seb128: yepper |
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[16:43] <rickspencer3> and pitti helped from the OEM side |
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[16:43] <seb128> can we get a spinner on the left or right pane? |
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[16:43] <seb128> rickspencer3, ok thanks |
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[16:44] <devildante> mvo, I'll look at it ;) |
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[16:45] <mvo> super! thanks devildante |
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[16:45] <devildante> np... |
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[16:46] <tremolux> devildante: thx! |
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[16:51] * devildante will be afk for a while |
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[16:51] <kenvandine> fta: ok, trunk now not only catches that exception but it also deletes the bad file from the cache |
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[16:51] <fta> kenvandine, thanks |
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[16:52] <kenvandine> i had 7 files in my cache that weren't images... but xml files containing a 404 error from identi.ca |
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[17:01] <mvo> is it just me or is LP really on the slow side today? |
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[17:02] <c_korn> it is not any slower than usual here |
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[17:03] <rickspencer3> seb128, chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, mterry, pedro_, pitti, RAOF, Riddell, tremolux: I guess I should mention that I'll be on holiday next Mon-Wed, back to work on Thur |
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[17:03] <mterry> k |
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[17:04] <chrisccoulson> hi rickspencer3 |
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[17:04] <tremolux> rickspencer3: enjoy! |
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[17:04] <pedro_> enjoy rickspencer3! |
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[17:04] <rickspencer3> thanks guys |
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[17:05] <rickspencer3> I was going to knock around Seattle, but have changed my plans, since desrt invited me to dinner in Paris |
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[17:05] <rickspencer3> ;) |
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[17:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, have fun |
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[17:06] <didrocks> rickspencer3: ok, enjoy ;) |
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[17:06] <sabdfl> rickspencer3: seattle <-> paris ?!? |
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[17:06] <sabdfl> your scramjet working again? |
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[17:07] <rickspencer3> sabdfl, well, if I had a friend who cold lend me a jet, hint hint |
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[17:07] <sabdfl> i'm still on the old subsonic stuff |
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[17:07] <rickspencer3> oh well |
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[17:07] <sabdfl> indeed |
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[17:07] <sabdfl> sigh |
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[17:07] <rickspencer3> desrt, I'll be on a subsonic jet, so I might be a few minutes late |
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[17:09] <ara> seb128, can you point me again to the bug in language-selector you told me before? |
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[17:09] <pedro_> ara, bug 612825 |
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[17:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 612825 in language-selector (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "[ubuntu] maverick: can't install new languages (nothing happen) (affects: 5) (heat: 28)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/612825 |
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[17:10] <ara> pedro_, gracias :) |
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[17:10] <pedro_> ara, por nada :-) |
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[17:10] <seb128> ara, pedro_: thanks |
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[17:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, hi |
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[17:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, your tomboy change seems buggy |
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[17:20] <seb128> or rather weird |
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[17:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you dlopen the lib or something? |
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[17:20] <seb128> why not adding mono bindings to the lib rather? |
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[17:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, I DllImport it, yes |
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[17:46] <rodrigo_> seb128, which is the same as dlopen'ing it |
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[17:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, the change seemed weird because usually shlibs handle the lib depends |
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[17:47] <seb128> rodrigo_, but that's only when you build against a lib, not when you dlopen or dllimport it ;-) |
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[17:48] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, I guess it doesn't know (the mono debhelpers) about dllImported libs? |
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[17:48] <seb128> right |
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[17:51] <slomo> dh_clilibs knows about DllImport |
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[17:51] <slomo> looks at shlibs and in newer versions at symbols files |
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[17:52] <seb128> oh, nice |
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[18:03] <seb128> didrocks, hey |
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[18:04] <seb128> didrocks, you like evo bugs right? ;-) |
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[18:04] <didrocks> seb128: OTP :-) |
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[18:04] <didrocks> lalala ;) |
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[18:04] <seb128> lol |
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[18:04] <seb128> didrocks, did you talk to rodrigo_ about the template not showing? |
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[18:05] <didrocks> seb128: it's showing on my latest test today, so I was either dreaming, not really awake, or weird issue |
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[18:05] <didrocks> so, can't reproduce with latest beta image |
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[18:06] <seb128> ok thanks |
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[18:07] <didrocks> sorry for the confusion |
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[18:13] <seb128> didrocks, no worry |
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[18:23] <pitti> rickspencer3: have fun! (I'll be off next week, too) |
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[18:31] <seb128> didrocks, btw did you manage to install UNE today after the update? |
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[18:31] <seb128> didrocks, no hurry to reply if you are still talking to david ;-) |
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[18:35] <seb128> kenvandine, did you mean to reopen the gwibber twitter bug? |
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[18:35] <seb128> kenvandine, cjwatson was asking about that earlier today |
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[18:35] <kenvandine> i saw that, but it isn't still open is it? |
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[18:35] <kenvandine> well, the lucid one should be |
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[18:36] <kenvandine> for lucid it is fix committed |
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[18:37] <kenvandine> not sure what it should be since it is in -proposed |
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[18:37] <seb128> kenvandine, well you reopened the maverick task yesterday |
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[18:37] <kenvandine> cjwatson set it to fix committed, so i guess that is fine |
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[18:37] <seb128> kenvandine, somebody else closed it since but I was wondering if there was a reason you did reopen it |
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[18:37] <kenvandine> it wasn't on purpose then :) |
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[18:38] <seb128> kenvandine, ok just checking |
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[18:38] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks |
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[18:39] <kenvandine> yeah, that must have been my juggling the status before subscribing ubuntu-sru |
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[18:50] <seb128> didrocks, davidbarth: you guys are triaging every single unity bug? |
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[18:50] <didrocks> seb128: we are looking for important one and triage the backlog, right |
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[18:51] <seb128> great work ;-) |
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[18:51] <seb128> didrocks, you can nominate those we should really see fixed for maverick btw |
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[18:51] <seb128> I will accept the nominations |
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[18:51] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :-) should we wait for nomination next week? We set all which should be fixed upstream for 09/09 |
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[18:52] <seb128> well nominations are just a way to track bugs we want to watch for this cycle |
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[18:52] <seb128> so no need to wait no |
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[18:52] <seb128> just nominate things you want to make sure we track |
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[18:54] <didrocks> seb128: ok, will do once we get the list. thanks :) |
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[18:54] <davidbarth> seb128: we're triaging every single unity bug, indeed |
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[18:55] <seb128> keep the great work while I'm eating ;-) |
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[18:55] <seb128> dinner time |
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[19:01] <didrocks> seb128: seeing that when some are eating, other are working :-) |
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[19:04] <chrisccoulson> finally i think we can fix bug 239952 in ubuntu :) |
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[19:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 239952 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "firefox - the associated helper application does not exist (affects: 49) (dups: 2) (heat: 280)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239952 |
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[19:04] <didrocks> seb128: re: testing latest install: yes, it's that one when I noticed that evolution is working with the default email |
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[19:04] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: great! |
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[19:05] <didrocks> seb128: about the "I like evo bugs"? what's the bad news on the street? ;) |
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[19:09] <pitti> so long, bye everyone! |
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[19:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - would you mind adding a maverick task to bug 239952 for me please? :) |
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[19:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 239952 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "firefox - the associated helper application does not exist (affects: 49) (dups: 2) (heat: 280)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/239952 |
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[19:14] <chrisccoulson> actually |
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[19:14] <chrisccoulson> i think i can already do it, because the bug has a universe package on there |
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[19:15] <chrisccoulson> heh, i can |
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[19:15] <chrisccoulson> lovely launchpad. i'm not meant to able to do that |
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[19:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: bdmurray wants to get task creation for all of bug control |
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[19:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure that all of bug control should be able to do that, but uploaders certainly should be able to |
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[19:18] <chrisccoulson> i think it's a bug that i can't do it for packages that i can upload |
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[19:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I agree :0 |
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[19:18] <micahg> :) |
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[19:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: packagesets aren't taken into account for that yet |
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[19:18] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm not sure if there is a bug for that somewhere |
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[19:21] <micahg> chrisccoulson: bug 507773 |
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[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507773 in malone "Cannot confirm SRU tasks for packages I have upload rights to. (affects: 1) (heat: 1)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507773 |
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[19:22] <micahg> chrisccoulson: actually, bug 376006 |
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[19:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376006 in malone "People allowed to upload to a package set should be allowed to approve bug nominations (affects: 1)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376006 |
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[19:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok |
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[19:41] <seb128> I like when things are sorted when I come back ;-) |
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[19:41] <seb128> didrocks, I was wondering about the bug where --component changes the default |
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[19:41] <didrocks> seb128: is it a bug or a feature ? |
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[19:41] <seb128> well I'm not sure |
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[19:42] <didrocks> ok, looks like a feature which can behave like a bug :) |
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[19:42] <seb128> but njpatel and gord got bitten by it |
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[19:42] <seb128> you did |
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[19:42] <didrocks> do you want that we fix that? |
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[19:42] <didrocks> would make sense |
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[19:42] <didrocks> I can have a look |
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[19:42] <seb128> seems users tend to not understand why it does that |
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[19:42] <didrocks> I agree, it's not natural |
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[19:42] <seb128> we got bugs about it as well |
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[19:42] <didrocks> oh really? |
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[19:42] <didrocks> I'll have a look then |
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[19:43] <didrocks> (got to run to have a dinner, or will be badly hurt by Julie ;)) |
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[19:46] <seb128> didrocks, enjoy |
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[19:46] <seb128> didrocks, and tell Julie she must stop hurting you |
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[19:46] <seb128> not nice ;-) |
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[19:48] <didrocks> seb128: that's what I keep telling her :) |
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[20:34] <htorque> MacSlow, should bug 617084 be "fix released"? |
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[20:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617084 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Background color/gradient not taken into account when using transparent wallpapers (affects: 1) (heat: 176)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/617084 |
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[20:35] <didrocks> htorque: I didn't touch it because I didn't have the time to check it's fixed |
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[20:35] <didrocks> htorque: thanks for your work on bugs, btw :) |
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[20:35] <htorque> yw :) |
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[20:35] <htorque> thanks for fixing all of them :) |
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[20:36] <didrocks> well, dx team is rocking on them :-) |
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[20:54] <LaserJock> anybody know where desktopcouch people hang out? |
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[20:56] <kenvandine> #ubuntuone |
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[20:56] <kenvandine> LaserJock, ^^ |
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[21:38] <kenvandine> didrocks, ping |
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[21:38] <kenvandine> if you get a chance... bug 620733 |
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[21:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620733 in empathy (Ubuntu) "Empathy does not remember settings (affects: 7) (dups: 3) (heat: 42)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620733 |
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[21:38] <kenvandine> seems to be saving settings now... but some defaults like the theme aren't set |
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[21:39] <kenvandine> which comes from gconf setting in ubuntu-artwork |
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[21:39] <kenvandine> do we need to do something in ubuntu-artwork to migrate those defaults ? |
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[21:39] <chrisccoulson> isn't empathy using gsettings already? |
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[21:39] <didrocks> kenvandine: do you need sponsoring? |
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[21:39] <kenvandine> didrocks, no... i don't |
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[21:39] <kenvandine> just noticed empathy isn't getting the default theme |
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[21:40] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, it is |
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[21:40] <didrocks> kenvandine: well, can you talk to robert about it? as he made the removal and familiar with that |
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[21:40] <kenvandine> but the theme is being set with gconf defaults in the ubuntu-artwork package |
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[21:40] <kenvandine> didrocks, sure, i will |
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[21:40] <didrocks> thanks kenvandine :) |
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[21:40] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm not too sure how that's meant to work |
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[21:40] <kenvandine> in fact, i assign the bug to him :) |
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[22:18] <didrocks> good evening! |
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[22:25] <LaserJock> hi didrocks |
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