2009/12/02/#edubuntu.txt

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[02:47] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:51] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: still up?
[05:51] <Ahmuck> alkisg: what major city are you next to?
[05:52] <alkisg> Hi Ahmuck
[05:52] <alkisg> It's called "Ioannina", it's on the mainland, somewhere near Corfu
[05:53] <alkisg> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=el&q=&vps=2&jsv=191a&sll=39.674495,20.840141&sspn=0.130011,0.308647&ie=UTF8&cd=1&split=0&geocode=FX9iXQIdzf49AQ
[05:54] <Ahmuck> athens work ?
[05:56] <alkisg> Yeah, ok... why?
[05:56] <Ahmuck> world clocks
[05:56] <alkisg> Ah, sure, Athens it is, then :)
[05:56] <Ahmuck> well, i'm sleepy
[05:56] <Ahmuck> nn
[05:56] <alkisg> 8:00 pm here, good morning all :)
[05:56] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: Winnipeg
[05:57] <Ahmuck> 8pm?  i was thininking 8 am
[05:57] <sbalneav> New sabayon in my ppa
[05:57] <alkisg> Sorry, am
[05:58] <sbalneav> Now with 10000% more manual.
[05:58] <Ahmuck> well, my heart is telling me it's time to rest
[05:58] <Ahmuck> l8r
[05:58] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: You wanted me?
[05:59] <Ahmuck> just checking ur timezone
[05:59] <Ahmuck> were in the same timezone
[06:00] <alkisg> sbalneav: are you going to get us a live LTSP for edubuntu Lucid? Need any help?
[06:00] <sbalneav> No
[06:00] <sbalneav> Not on my radar
[06:00] <sbalneav> Why do we need it?
[06:01] <alkisg> Well we were talking about it on the last edubuntu meeting
[06:01] <alkisg> But I think you were afk for some time then so you might have missed it
[06:01] <sbalneav> I wasn't at it.  This is about booting thin clients from the cd?
[06:02] <sbalneav> i.e. the live cd can also boot thin clients?
[06:02] <alkisg> No,
[06:02] <alkisg> about a live ltsp blob on the server CD
[06:03] <alkisg> Which should be un-squashfs'ed upon installation, if the user selects to install and LTSP server in Ubiquity
[06:03] <alkisg> This way we'll be able to remove the text-based ltsp installer
[06:03] <sbalneav> And that's important because.....?
[06:04] <sbalneav> As opposed to fixing bugs, and getting actual useful documentation?
[06:04] <alkisg> Not my call :)
[06:04] <alkisg> I just wanted to help there :)
[06:04] <Ahmuck> i'll be doing a visual documentation pdf soon
[06:05] <alkisg> But I think it *is* important, e.g. many teachers here downloaded a live ltsp dvd that I've made...
[06:05] <Ahmuck> ie, screenshots, lots of screenshots
[06:05] <Ahmuck> anywho, i'm about ready to sleep on the keyboard, sooo, again, nn
[06:05] <alkisg> Bye Ahmuck
[06:05] <sbalneav> I wouln't want to see the text based ltsp installer removed, since the alternative cd's are all I ever download.
[06:06] <alkisg> It won't be removed from the alternate cd
[06:06] <alkisg> Just from the edubuntu dvd - if what highvoltage and stgraber said actually happens...
[06:07] <sbalneav> I don't understand why we'd need to waste valuable space with a huge static blob of ltsp, which can be built very easily, as opposed to putting content on the dvd, things like moodle content, more edu programs, etc.
[06:08] <alkisg> To enable people to try ltsp before installing it to a server
[06:08] <alkisg> People can test moodle online, but not ltsp
[06:09] <alkisg> And I don't think it needs more space than the alternate installer...
[06:09] <sbalneav> And have absolutely sucky performance since it's running off a cd, then throw away the whole concept of an ltsp lab based on that experience.  "You mean it's going to run this slow? Screw that!"
[06:10] <sbalneav> Whatever.  I'm going to go on record as saying I think it would be a massive waste of time, compared to some of the more pressing issues we've got, but people can work on whatever they'd like.  I ain't the boss :)
[06:10] <alkisg> I think an appropriate message on the "start an LTSP server" icon would solve that problem :)
[06:11] <sbalneav> people don't read docs NOW
[06:11] <sbalneav> Whatever.
[06:11] <sbalneav> Anyway, I've had enough for the night.  Off to bed.
[06:11] <alkisg> OK ok I was just trying to offer help :)
[06:11] <alkisg> Goodnight sbalneav
[06:11] <sbalneav> Not at all, if that's what you want to see happen, make it happen!
[06:12] <sbalneav> I'm merely (as always) stating my opinion.
[06:12] <alkisg> I did, I already have a live ltsp dvd
[06:12] <sbalneav> So then if you've already done it, why do we need it?
[06:12] <alkisg> It's just being generated from a script (remastering) instead of seeds etc, as I don't know the technology there..
[06:12] <sbalneav> ah
[06:13] <sbalneav> I don't know the technology either.
[06:13] <sbalneav> But I better learn it before the next release, or we're not going to HAVE a next release.
[06:13] <alkisg> Anyway we'll talk about it again on the next meeting, I guess, and either approve it or ditch it then.
[06:14] <sbalneav> I won't vote either way.  I'll never ever stop someone from doing something they want to do.
[06:14] <sbalneav> Everyone's got their itch to scratch.
[06:15] <sbalneav> anyway, past midnight here.  Yawn goodnight.
[06:15] <alkisg> bye...
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[15:03] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:19] <Balsaq> is edubuntu still maintained and updated as an individual distro?
[15:21] <sbalneav> Yes
[15:21] <sbalneav> We have DVD images that can be installed.
[15:21] <Balsaq> i heard it was on the fritz
[15:22] <sbalneav> Heard what was on the fritz?
[15:23] <Balsaq> the edubuntu project
[15:23] <sbalneav> WHere'd you hear that from?
[15:23] <Balsaq> people online
[15:24]  * sbalneav shrugs
[15:24] <dinda> sbalneav: are the edubuntu apps in the Main or Universe repository?
[15:24] <sbalneav> Well, *I*'m here, the channels here, and there are DVD images you can download, that install edubuntu
[15:25] <sbalneav> dinda: some in main, a lot in universe.
[15:26] <dinda> sbalneav: http://www.edubuntu.org/applications/ claims they are all in Main - is there a way to tell which are where - easily?
[15:26] <Balsaq> i'm glad to hear this is a false rumor, my wife is a teacher and i want to get her a computer with edubuntu installed as a surprise, but i want her to have plenty of support as she learns edubuntu...now she only knows mac...leopard
[15:27] <sbalneav> dinda: You'll notice that's a bit out of date :)
[15:27] <dinda> sbalneav: yeah, see that :)
[15:27] <sbalneav> Balsaq: Well, "plenty" of support is relative .  There's probably about 5 or so active Edubuntu devels.
[15:28] <dinda> sbalneav: I'm trying to figure out the issue of 'official' support  from Canonical
[15:28] <dinda> sbalneav: anything in Main we support, Universe - not so much
[15:29] <sbalneav> Well, there's the issue of what CANONICAL supports, and what WE support.
[15:29] <Ahmuck> dinda: canonical does have ltsp support contracts
[15:29] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: which they send representatives into #ltsp to ask questions on :)
[15:30] <dinda> sbalneav: yip, and I'm trying to sort out which pieces they/we (Canonical) do and don't support and why
[15:30] <ogra> dinda, chriskenyon should know
[15:30] <dinda> Ahmuck: the ltsp aspects are now part of the Server stack, so Canonical does fully support those
[15:30] <ogra> dinda, edubuntu itself turned into a full community project
[15:31] <dinda> ogra: I met with CK and we're both unlcear  ;)
[15:31] <ogra> so there are the apps we had when i did edubuntu, these are in main
[15:31] <ogra> then there is a gap where edubuntu was unmaintained for a while
[15:31] <dinda> ogra: that's the list I'm looking for
[15:31] <Ahmuck> the gapped list?
[15:32] <ogra> and when the new edubuntu team took over a lot more apps were added, but due to the nature of it being a community project, these apps are in universe now
[15:32] <Ahmuck> or the app list that was maintained when ogra was there?
[15:32] <Ahmuck> isn't it edu-*
[15:32] <ogra> the applist you see on edubuntu.org should be the one i brought to main
[15:32] <Ahmuck> ubuntu-edu
[15:32] <Ahmuck> and edubuntu
[15:33] <Ahmuck> "sudo aptitude search edu*"
[15:33] <ogra> the dvd you get today will have a lot more ... and for  a community project there is no need to push apps to main
[15:33] <Balsaq> when it goes unmaintained, do the updates continue?
[15:33] <ogra> as long as the edubuntu devs care
[15:33] <Ahmuck> ogra: heh that in itself states canoical's position
[15:34] <Ahmuck> edubuntu goes unmaintained?
[15:34] <ogra> unlikely :)
[15:34] <Ahmuck> nm, goes back to lurking
[15:34] <Balsaq> can i burn edubuntu onto one 700mb cd?
[15:34] <ogra> too many people care nowadays
[15:34] <ogra> no, its a DVD
[15:34] <Ahmuck> Balsaq: not currently
[15:34] <Ahmuck> it's a dvd
[15:34] <Ahmuck> 4G
[15:35] <Balsaq> bummer i don't have a dvd burner
[15:35] <Ahmuck> ding ding dign
[15:35]  * ogra goes back to do his work and leaves answers to todays edubuntu devs :)
[15:35] <alkisg> You can also put it to a usb stick...
[15:35] <dinda> Canonical cares, just that for 'official' support we can only cover whats in Main
[15:35] <Ahmuck> Balsaq: whatis your intent?
[15:35] <dinda> thanks ogra!
[15:35] <Balsaq> to surprise my wife
[15:35] <Ahmuck> heh
[15:35] <Ahmuck> u have children i take it
[15:36] <ogra> Balsaq, you can use usb-creator to write the iso to a USB key and boot from that
[15:36] <Ahmuck> edubuntu is "themed ubuntu" with additional edu apps thrown in
[15:36] <Ahmuck> sooo, you can install ubuntu and then sudo aptitude edubuntu-artwork, etc
[15:36] <Ahmuck> and you'll have a edubuntu desktop iirc
[15:36] <Balsaq> there is an idea, i have burned the ubuntu cd
[15:37] <Balsaq> is it all the same color theme if i do it that way
[15:37] <Ahmuck> how does edubuntu impress your wife?
[15:37] <Balsaq> Amuck...i dont know if it does impress her yet
[15:37] <Ahmuck> what is it that impreses your wife
[15:37] <Balsaq> but she is a middle school teacher
[15:38] <Balsaq> and i am going to get her a computer for a small office in the basement
[15:38] <sbalneav> Since I don't draw a paycheque from Canonical, I consider anything that's currently in Edubuntu supportable
[15:38] <Ahmuck> i'd use the ubuntu cd, then pick up the edu apps you want and some additional ones, such as anki, ri-li, etc. etc.
[15:38] <Ahmuck> what are you computer specs?
[15:39] <Ahmuck> *your
[15:39] <Balsaq> intel p4 2.4, 60g hd, 513rdram
[15:39] <Balsaq> nvidia agp 64mb
[15:40] <mhall119|work> doubling the ram would be good if you can
[15:40] <Ahmuck> Balsaq: there's also qimo ...
[15:40] <mhall119|work> if it's going to be running a lot of apps at once
[15:40] <Ahmuck> :)
[15:40] <mhall119|work> Qimo isn't for middle schoolers though
[15:40] <Balsaq> and she will get  anew flat screen monitor with it
[15:40] <Ahmuck> ah
[15:40] <mhall119|work> most of our games would be too childish for them
[15:40]  * Ahmuck wondered if ltsp would work
[15:41] <mhall119|work> ltsp for a single computer in a basement?
[15:41] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: how do you approach middle school?
[15:41] <Balsaq> because ubuntu and xubuntu runs great on this same type of configuration
[15:41] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: when we donate to older kids, it's either regular Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[15:41] <Ahmuck> on a side note, i am in the processes of boxing a large assortment of pc's to send to africa.  i was told they needed to be windows 2000 or windows xp
[15:42] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: how do you donate, what qualification process is there?
[15:42] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: r u using anything below 1Ghz?
[15:42] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: we run on word-of-mouth
[15:42]  * Ahmuck is getting ready to prep 10 this morning
[15:42] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: ah
[15:42] <Ahmuck> i might consider that route then
[15:42] <mhall119|work> people come to us and say, "Hey, that family or that daycare could really use one of your computers"
[15:43] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: we've recently been asking for P4 or better
[15:43] <mhall119|work> mostly because it takes too long to get anything older into working order
[15:43] <mhall119|work> but we've given out a good many <1Ghz P3s and even a couple of P2s
[15:43] <Ahmuck> mhall119|work: u might consider some of the derivities.  ie, moonos has a ldxe version, and i saw some that were a mix of openbox, ldxe, and enlightenment
[15:43] <Ahmuck> worked very well
[15:43] <mhall119|work> memory is really our only concern with Qimo, since the kids aren't heavy multi-taskers
[15:44] <mhall119|work> Ahmuck: I'm trying to keep up with the Lubuntu developments
[15:44] <Ahmuck> all ubuntu derivities
[15:44] <Ahmuck> ah, i've chucked xubuntu in favor of moonos ldxe version
[15:44] <mhall119|work> I'm looking at possibly rebasing Qimo on LXDE
[15:44] <Ahmuck> for the lower end pcs
[15:45] <mhall119|work> right now XFConf is kicking my ass when trying to make better packages
[15:46] <Ahmuck> that'd be kewl.  i'd certianly use it 4 sure then
[16:00] <Ahmuck> fwiw, nubae built a html database of edu apps
[16:00]  * Ahmuck doesn't remember where it's located at  however
[16:00] <Ahmuck> nubae: what is the largest city from your location?
[16:01] <alkisg> Ahmuck: why all the timezone-collecting? for meetings?
[16:01] <Ahmuck> more for knowing how to coordinate my questions for meetups on irc
[16:02] <Ahmuck> so if i need to be here at optimal time at 1:00 am in the morning to catch somebody i know what the time difference is
[16:05] <alkisg> :)
[16:24] <nubae> Ahmuck, thatst excellent, so how, in python bindings? mysql?
[16:42] <Ahmuck> nubae: ?
[22:12] <flint_> highvoltage, Jonathan what up?
[22:12] <highvoltage> flint_: I was just about to go to sleep actually :)
[22:13] <sbalneav> Hey flint_
[22:13] <flint_> sbalneav, yes
[22:13] <flint_> highvoltage, nighty night...
[22:13] <highvoltage> g'night flint_
[22:13] <flint_> highvoltage, See ya January...
[22:14] <flint_> sbalneav, still trying to get the time and date of the edubuntu meeting correct... everyone needs a hobby...
[22:15] <flint_> sbalneav, I am currently betting on Friday, 4 December at 17:00 GMT...  But I have been wrong before... heh...
[22:15] <flint_> :^)