2008/11/29/#xubuntu.txt

[00:20] <Cool-Nick> check this guys: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996355
[00:21] <fonzarelli> Cool-Nick: duplicate thread:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=479677
[00:22] <Cool-Nick> fonzarelli: plz don't say it :(
[00:22] <Cool-Nick> yeah but that one is old :)
[00:22] <Cool-Nick> we need a new one ;)
[00:23] <fonzarelli> haha
[00:23] <Cool-Nick> hey buddy POST yours ;)
[00:23] <fonzarelli> the world is my workstation
[00:24] <Cool-Nick> the world is too big for you ;)
[00:24] <Cool-Nick> do you like mine?
[00:24] <fonzarelli> yup, its nice
[00:25] <Cool-Nick> thnx
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[01:11] <lonor> How do you add more Desktops in Xubuntu 8.10? Also - how can I add the Terminal to the launcher panel. Does the CPU usage graph take up much CPU?
[01:12] <lonor> and does the Network usage graph take up much CPU?
[02:45] <orangefly> can anyone help with a linksys wusb54gs....???....
[02:53] <fonzarelli> what's your question?
[03:51] <orangefly> hello....???....
[03:55] <orangefly> anyone here....???....
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[04:11] <cody-somerville> :)
[04:11] <cody-somerville> !ask
[04:11] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[04:45] <gourdcaptain> Does anyone have any tips for submitting bug reports? I've found several bugs in XFCE I've been told to report as bugs, but nobody ever seems to respond to launchpad entries or XFCE bugzilla entries I make.
[06:50] <bitmouse> hey could anybody recommend a good VNC program group?
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[09:23] <ZER0C00L> Hi
[09:23] <ZER0C00L> I'm trying to edit my xorg.conf
[09:24] <ZER0C00L> but when i open it just says "Configured Video Device"
[09:24] <ZER0C00L> instead of the normal device or driver
[09:24] <ZER0C00L> runnign xubuntu 8.10
[09:26] <jxander> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:26] <jxander> or whatever text editor you like
[09:27] <ZER0C00L> did that
[09:27] <jxander> and?
[09:27] <ZER0C00L> but it doesnt look anything like the usual xorg.conf
[09:27] <ZER0C00L> Section "Device"
[09:27] <ZER0C00L>         Identifier      "Configured Video Device"
[09:27] <ZER0C00L> EndSection
[09:27] <ZER0C00L> thats all it says
[09:27] <jxander> well
[09:28] <jxander> nowadays xorg.conf is pretty empty :P
[09:28] <jxander> what do you want to configure?
[09:28] <ZER0C00L> i got the ATI M7500
[09:29] <ZER0C00L> found i guide to speed it up abit
[09:29] <jxander> then you should add the sections with the options you want...
[09:29] <jxander> but make backups first :P
[09:30] <ZER0C00L> hehe good idea
[09:30] <jxander> yeah, you never know... :P
[09:38] <ZER0C00L> well here we go
[11:23] <Almindor> hey
[11:23] <Almindor> I can't add the sound mixer to the panel
[11:23] <Almindor> it blinks in and out (probably crashes?)
[11:23] <Almindor> (sounds works otherwise
[11:24] <rob> i just installed 8.10 and it says there are 86 newer packages which want to be installed. my question is: is it always the best to install ALL suggested updates ?
[11:24] <knome> rob, in 99% of the cases, yes.
[11:25] <knome> rob, you should be safe to install the upgrades.
[11:25] <rob> knome, ok, thanks!
[11:25] <knome> np.
[11:26] <Almindor> any idea how to get backtrace of the plugin or something?
[11:27] <TheSheep> Almindor: try dragging and dropping it from the list to the panel
[11:30] <Almindor> TheSheep, aha it didn't blink away this time
[11:32] <TheSheep> known bug... from at least 2 years
[11:41] <knome> TheSheep, fix it :P
[11:42] <TheSheep> knome: no point, 4.6 is just around the corner :P
[11:43] <knome> TheSheep, people will still use 4.4, eh? ;)
[11:43] <TheSheep> that's their problem
[11:52] <knome> TheSheep, actually no, wrong answer :P
[12:10] <mandelum> Hello, installed xfce on my ubuntu, because the last months has I have seen extremly sluggish perfomance. Xfce actually dilivered more performance than I could ever dream of. Things are actually fast now. And I do not understand how this is possible! However I have two questions. Would I see a even more boost if I where to do Pure Xfce and uninstall GNOME or are ther particular things I could uninstall jut to get it faster? And the other question is, why on
[12:14] <knome> mandelum, your message got cut on "is, why on"
[12:14] <knome> mandelum, answer for first: what speeds xfce is not to use apps based on kde or gnome libs
[12:14] <mandelum> And the other question is, why on earth when you have the great autofnd feature in the desktop application louncher setup, why can you have it also for panel application lounchers. Now it will take forever to get the right applications with their icons to the panel. Thank you!
[12:14] <knome> mandelum, eg. if you don't use any kde app, you don't have to load kde libs
[12:15] <mandelum> I use, Firefox, Pidgin, Inkscape and Tomboy
[12:15] <mandelum> is the network manager a gnom or kde app
[12:15] <knome> well, xfce uses gnome libs anyway
[12:16] <mandelum> okej
[12:16] <mandelum> so it is not terribly important to clean away some gnome stuff
[12:16] <knome> you're right.
[12:16] <knome> !purexfce
[12:16] <ubottu> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[12:16] <mandelum> I mean I am quite content with this speed already and would not like to mess up any important application
[12:16] <knome> i don't know if it *really* makes a difference
[12:17] <knome> but at least you get a cleaner feeling
[12:17] <knome> (or i would)
[12:17] <mandelum> yes, that link was where I got the idea :)
[12:17] <knome> it doesn't do you any bad
[12:17] <mandelum> well, could for example Tomboy break
[12:17] <mandelum> because that is my most imortant app
[12:18] <mandelum> or the Network-manager for wireess
[12:18] <mandelum> or some codes
[12:18] <mandelum> codecs
[12:18] <knome> well...
[12:19] <knome> as you might've noticed, those are only apt-get remove lines
[12:19] <mandelum> true
[12:19] <knome> so they basically just uninstall a bunch of software
[12:19] <jarnos> mandelum: You save disk space and ubuntu does not serve that many updates, if you remove unneeded gnome-desktop packages.
[12:19] <knome> just remove anything from the command you want to keep
[12:19] <mandelum> but there was a hell of a lot of them, and I don know what even half of them are so it would take time to figure things out
[12:20] <knome> just uninstall
[12:20] <mandelum> jarnos: true, a good point
[12:20] <knome> you can install software back if you by mistake uninstall something important
[12:21] <mandelum> yes, but if something breaks and I do not know what th pakage name is
[12:21] <mandelum> well, I quess I do it later, when I wuld have the time to handle potential problems
[12:21] <mandelum> what about the panel icon problem, is it a filed bug already
[12:22] <mandelum> does not seem like very difficult to solve to me
[12:22] <knome> mandelum, suppose so :P
[12:22] <mandelum> would it not be easy to get the desktop application launcher setup on the panel too
[12:22] <knome> what do you mean by "desktop application launcher" ?
[12:22] <mandelum> is there any good hack around this for now. I would really like having some appliations with the right icons on the panel
[12:23] <knome> the "launcher" item on the panel plugins?
[12:23] <mandelum> I mean, that when you right click on the desktop and then create a new application louncher, this application louncher will b able to autosuggest programs for you and choose the right icon
[12:24] <knome> see my prev message
[12:24] <knome> is that what you mean?
[12:24] <mandelum> and on the panel the same system does not do this, ich mean you would have to manually hunt down every icon
[12:24] <knome> a-ha
[12:24] <jarnos> mandelum: you can type the name of the application in terminal and it the package needed is not installed, you are adviced to install it.
[12:25] <mandelum> and since xfce does not allow one to drag and drop the lounchers, it is a little bit unconveninet
[12:25] <knome> mandelum, usually the program launch name is ok, eg. "inkscape" gives inkscape icon
[12:26] <knome> mandelum, exceptions: firefox -> "firefox-3.0" , thunar -> "Thunar" (casing!)
[12:26] <knome> there might be other
[12:26] <mandelum> no
[12:26] <mandelum> it does not give me the icon
[12:26] <knome> press tab?
[12:27] <mandelum> are we both talking now about the Panel Application Louncher
[12:28] <knome> mandelum, yes :P
[12:28] <knome> mandelum, what app are you trying to give an icon to?
[12:28] <mandelum> I only get a cogwheel as deafoult and then I can choose between say 10 diferent icons and also other
[12:28] <mandelum> well, I do not know yet, I have not decided wich apps to have on hte panel
[12:28] <knome> write eg. "inkscape" to the text box
[12:29] <mandelum> but maybe 5-10 apps
[12:29] <knome> and press tab
[12:29] <mandelum> Iin the name box?
[12:29] <knome> right to the icon
[12:29] <knome> yes.
[12:29] <knome> uh not name.
[12:29] <knome> sorry
[12:29] <knome> the box on the right of the icon :)
[12:30] <knome> also this way it will change the icons if you change the icon theme later
[12:31] <mandelum> well, it just selects the next button(the folder icon)
[12:31] <knome> yes
[12:31] <knome> did you write "inkscape" without quotes?
[12:32] <mandelum> yes
[12:32] <mandelum> I have tryied with diffrent names, like Pidgin and terminal too
[12:32] <knome> hmmh. and the icon didn't appear?
[12:32] <mandelum> no
[12:32] <knome> all lowercase?
[12:33] <mandelum> ahaaaa
[12:33] <mandelum> wow
[12:33] <mandelum> :)
[12:33] <mandelum> yess
[12:33] <knome> yup
[12:33] <knome> but thunar = Thunar
[12:33] <knome> it is an exception
[12:34] <mandelum> sorry, for not beeing observant about your help
[12:34] <mandelum> really silly of me
[12:34] <knome> np
[12:34] <mandelum> thanks a lot!
[12:34] <knome> yw
[12:34] <knome> have fun using panel launchers :<
[12:34] <knome> :>
[12:34] <mandelum> :)
[12:34] <mandelum> yes and with this superfast desktop
[12:35] <mandelum> I simply can not understand how everything can be so much faster
[12:35] <mandelum> even loading firefox
[12:35] <knome> not so many processes taking up cpu and mem
[12:35] <knome> gnome is a big bloaty system
[12:35] <mandelum> what are those gnome guys putting in gnome really?
[12:36] <mandelum> I do not see even one benefit with gnome
[12:36] <knome> imo gnome used to be ok
[12:36] <knome> but it got bloated *a lot*
[12:36] <mandelum> why
[12:36] <mandelum> so strange
[12:36] <mandelum> you linux guys usually hate bloat
[12:37] <mandelum> does do bloat give any functionality?
[12:37] <knome> well, things just happen
[12:37] <knome> and when there is a bunch of developers...
[12:38] <knome> well... it might keep the existing functionality working or fix a bug :P
[12:38] <mandelum> lol
[12:38] <mandelum> well Xfce is impressive anyway
[12:39] <knome> good to hear
[12:39] <knome> mandelum, if you ever want to give something back, please check http://xubuntu.org/contribute :)
[12:39] <mandelum> having some trouble with the Prism icons
[12:40] <mandelum> thank you, I may want to do that!
[12:40] <knome> do the prism apps have icons?
[12:40] <mandelum> ofcourse
[12:40] <mandelum> the favicons
[12:41] <mandelum> they are really cute, for gmail, calendar, facebook etc
[12:41] <knome> ok, let me try
[12:42] <knome> prism-google-mail
[12:42] <knome> eg.
[12:43] <mandelum> cool
[12:43] <mandelum> you are so helpful!
[12:43] <knome> suppose prism-facebook, prism-google-calendar ...
[12:44] <knome> nice to hear i can help
[12:45] <mandelum> yes, and I am glad I don´t need to trouble ou with some big problems
[12:45] <mandelum> theese small details just get me feel very comfortable in xfce, so thanks
[12:47] <knome> yes, xfce is very configurable
[12:48] <knome> different from kdes on gnomes configurability
[12:48] <knome> much more useful on many things
[12:48] <mandelum> yes, and I know my friend will love it
[12:48] <mandelum> he just instlled ubuntu on his eee
[12:48] <mandelum> and he was not happy with either gnome or kde
[12:49] <knome> well on eeepc i'm not very surprised
[12:49] <mandelum> or he did some cool things in compi
[12:49] <knome> ;)
[12:49] <boivie1146> Hello folks! I have a problem with connecting to the internet. I installed Xubuntu 64-bit PC desktop from the CD, directly after it was released. I can't basically do anything on the internet, but downloading som tiny files. When I ping up to 1500 bytes it goes swift and well, but when I ping 1501 bytes or more I get packet loss every time. I have Ubuntu 8.04 installed on the same computer without any internet problems. Anyone know
[12:49] <mandelum> but I still think he would like xfce more
[12:49] <knome> boivie1146, "Anyone know" ... the text got cutted.
[12:50] <TheSheep> sounds like a bad frame size on the router
[12:50] <boivie1146> sorry "Anyone knows where to look for a solution?"
[12:50] <boivie1146> TheSheep: I don
[12:51] <boivie1146> I don't use any router
[12:51] <TheSheep> boivie1146: well, you are connected to the internet somehow, there is a bunch of routers on the way
[12:51] <mandelum> the strangest things after switching to xfce is that, before in gnome some (I think) png images in firefox would get all pixelated... Not in Xfce
[12:51] <mandelum> very strange indeed
[12:52] <boivie1146> TheSheep: okey. Isn't there a way to make xubuntu 8.10 tackle the routers the same way as ubuntu 8.04 do?
[12:53] <TheSheep> if it is what I think it is, then probably there is some kernel option for that
[12:54] <TheSheep> but it should be fixed on the router, really
[12:55] <boivie1146> TheSheep: okey. Well the routers are out of my control, so...
[12:59] <mandelum> can you run compiz in gnome? My freind may want to use it
[13:00] <knome> mandelum, yes
[13:04] <boivie1146> TheSheep: Well, I think I'm too inexperienced for messing with the kernel. Do you think I will have the same problem if I instead try to install the i386 version?
[13:10] <mandelum> If I do the Pure Xfce command, are you sure that there will be no problems with Tomboy, Pidgin, Firefox, Network-Manager?
[13:11] <mandelum> thoose apps are critical to me!
[13:11] <mandelum> also the codecs would be nice to preserve
[13:13] <knome> so you are coming from gnome?
[13:13] <knome> !pastebin
[13:13] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[13:14] <knome> mandelum, http://paste.ubuntu.com/78033/
[13:14] <knome> mandelum, i removed tomboy from removed list. even if any app you want to use is removed, their configurations stay
[13:15] <knome> mandelum, so installing back will bring you back all you configurationgs
[13:15] <knome> -g
[13:15] <knome> mandelum, just don't worry too much about it :)
[13:16] <mandelum> -g?
[13:17] <mandelum> what about firefox, I see that you uninstall that too, and you probobly get a new install from xfce, but are the settings preserved?
[13:18] <mandelum> because if my network break, I will have no way of figuring things out
[13:19] <mandelum> and I rely on someone elses wireless right now
[13:21] <knome> mandelum, they are, but actually it just uninstalls firefox-3.0-gnome-support
[13:21] <knome> mandelum, and not firefox itself
[13:21] <knome> mandelum, and you can review which packages are uninstalled before you do if there's something else to be uninstalled than the list
[13:22] <mandelum> yes, I would take away tomboy from the list
[13:23] <mandelum> but it also seems to remove firefox itself
[13:56] <mandelum> are there any good application launcers for xfce
[13:56] <mandelum> ?
[13:57] <mandelum> I have had trouble with gnome do, it just crashes all the time, it has done so also in gnome so it is not a xce specific problem...
[14:00] <knome> mandelum, application launcher?
[14:00] <knome> alt+f2 ?
[14:00] <knome> or what do you mean
[14:00] <mandelum> GNOME DO
[14:00] <mandelum> yo know
[14:00] <mandelum> but  found out the problem
[14:01] <mandelum> and the problem is wih the tomboy plugin
[14:01] <knome> nope, actually don't know :)
[14:01] <mandelum> and hat is sad because that is the most important plugin for me
[14:05] <privet> where do I find the config to make snmpd listen on all interfaces ( and not only on localhost)?
[14:17] <bluej> I have xfce4-icon-theme and hicolor-icon-theme installed, but some mime types in Thunar (mainly text files) still have the fallback icon (http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/_media/documentation/thunar-faq-broken-icons.png?cache=cache)
[14:17] <bluej> any ideas?
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[14:58] <rob> can anyone explain me what the option "relatime" means and if i should set it for mounting my windows partition ?
[14:59] <Myrtti> rob: how technical answer do you want?
[15:00] <rob> im an advanced noob / medium skilled user
[15:00] <rob> so do what u think
[15:00] <rob> :)
[15:03] <rob> Myrtti ? :>
[15:03] <Myrtti> there seems to be quite good explanation about the differences of atime, noatime and relatime in man ntfs-3g. It says that unlike noatime, relatime doesn't break applications that need to know if a file has been read since the last time it was modified. Relatime is also the default behaviour for mounting ntfs partitions with ntfs-3g, so yes, you should set it.
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[15:04] <rob> oi
[15:04] <juanantonio> Hello
[15:04] <Myrtti> rob: did that answer your question? :->
[15:04] <rob> well thanks for that one Myrtti. you sure did :)
[15:05] <rob> Myrtti, but as it seems, it is also used for ext3 partitions since my default fstab show the relatime options for all of my ext3 partitions :)
[15:05] <Myrtti> rob: the same behaviour does indeed apply to ext3 as well.
[15:06] <rob> so i guess noatime makes the fs faster but the probability of breaking programs that need to see the last change of a file is given, right ?
[15:07] <Myrtti> rob: there has been some discussion on the lkml about the effects in speed between relatime and noatime. http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148
[15:07] <rob> oh nice thanks
[15:07] <Myrtti> well, that's actually a year old
[15:08] <Myrtti> but yeah, there is a risk of breaking certain programs.
[15:25] <rob> i need libglade2-0 to install something but its not in the repos - what can i do? :/
[15:28] <juanantonio> Hello. How much space takes Xubuntu 8.10 once it is installed with Xfce default desktop?
[15:29] <juanantonio> Sorry, Rob. I haver no idea, I am very new in Linux
[15:30] <rob> juanantonio, i installed it today and its like 2,6GB big
[15:31] <juanantonio> 2.6 G default installation?
[15:31] <rob> yep
[15:31] <rob> but i think i already installed some stuff
[15:31] <rob> so maybe 2.3
[15:34] <juanantonio> Ok. It is because I want to overwrite in a PC with SuSE 10, and I had 3 gb ReiserFS partition
[15:37] <vidd> difilippantonio.com
[15:38] <vidd> whoops...wrong window
[15:44] <juanantonio> Hehehe, vidd
[15:45] <juanantonio> Seriously I am trying to overwrite SuSE to install Xubuntu
[15:45] <vidd> synergy made me do it!
[15:45] <juanantonio> Synergy?
[15:46] <vidd> it is an application that lets you share a keyboard, mouse and clipboard between multiple machines (even on different platforms)
[15:46] <vidd> !synergy
[15:46] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synergy
[15:46] <vidd> !synergys
[15:46] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synergys
[15:46] <juanantonio> What made me do it was that SuSE 10 comes with many things I am not using any more becuase my main PC is this
[15:46] <vidd> !synergyc
[15:46] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synergyc
[15:47] <vidd> juanantonio, what are your partitions on that suse box?
[15:47] <juanantonio> Ah, ok. No problem, I have a KVM for 4 PCs
[15:47] <vidd> juanantonio, the monitor isnt shared =]
[15:48] <juanantonio> Yes, I have a /dev/sda1 with XP; sda2, extended, for Linux, and inside sda5 is swap and sda6 is SuSE in ReiserFS
[15:48] <juanantonio> Vidd, sorry, you are right ;)
[15:49] <vidd> juanantonio, sda2, and sda5 dont mean much....what are the sizes?
[15:49] <vidd> and do you want to keep any of that info?
[15:49] <juanantonio> The thing is, the information I handel, was in XP partition mainly
[15:50] <vidd> so besides the XP partition, the rest can go?
[15:50] <juanantonio> in order to keep working on the same thing in different systems
[15:51] <juanantonio> I have been told, that /home directory can be allocated to another partition and can be recovered as soon as I install a new system, is that right?
[15:51] <vidd> juanantonio, yes....as long as it IS a seperate partition
[15:52] <juanantonio> Can I take some space from sda2 to make another one?
[15:52] <vidd> however....why not just save the data from your /home that you *must* have on the XP partition?
[15:53] <vidd> your changing OS's so you will likely not need the config files on the new system
[15:54] <juanantonio> I have no data, only the desktop photo...hold on, maybe I have it also in XP
[15:57] <vidd> juanantonio, so are you ready to begin?
[15:57] <juanantonio> Yes, I am
[15:57] <vidd> what cd are you using to install?
[15:57] <juanantonio> We can delete SuSE and he booter
[15:58] <juanantonio> Mmm, normal, Xubuntu 8.10 32 bits
[15:58] <juanantonio> Now I am in CDLive
[15:58] <vidd> "normal".... so the live cd installer?
[15:58]  * vidd recomends the alt or the mini
[15:59] <juanantonio> vidd, it is not yet the other PC I told you about, this is a PIV 2,66 Ghz with 1Gb RAM
[15:59] <vidd> there are 3 main installers.... the Desktop, the Alternative, and the mini (plus a host of "special" installers)
[16:00] <juanantonio> and as I told you, I am now in the desktop of the CD Live version of Xubuntu normal image
[16:00] <vidd> juanantonio, i dont care if the machine has 16 gig of ram.....i would NEVER use the live (desktop) installer for anything except emergency
[16:01] <juanantonio> it is from there I was seeing the SuSE and XP details, in this PC I have Kubuntu
[16:01] <juanantonio> Ok, tell me then. I have the other CD also. What should I do?
[16:02] <vidd> this is basically what you want to do.... you want to remove all partitions except the XP partition
[16:02] <vidd> then, partition the free space.
[16:02] <vidd> set the swap at 2x the ram
[16:03] <nicolah> I just came here to say how fast was xubuntu live loading in this pc, INCREDIBLE
[16:03] <vidd> set the / partition at 10% of the remaining HD space or 5 GB, whichever is greater
[16:04] <juanantonio> Vidd, so the first thing to do is to calculate. I have 9 free Gb in XP partition, the Linux is 3 Gb
[16:04] <vidd> if you need server-type apps, split the remaining spce between /home and /var, otherwise, use the remaining for /home
[16:04] <vidd> juanantonio, in the alt installer, you can enter 10%
[16:05] <vidd> juanantonio, you have NO frre space in the XP partition, because you are leaving it alone
[16:05] <juanantonio> Yes. Shoud I format Linux partition now or when I insert the alt CD I can make it from here?
[16:06] <vidd> juanantonio, its entirely up to you.....
[16:06] <juanantonio> What's better?
[16:06] <vidd> if you can get the live to format your hard drive as stated above, then install via the live
[16:07]  * vidd is highly bigotted against the live cd install method, so he is not the individual to ask "which method is better"
[16:07] <juanantonio> Hehehe
[16:08] <vidd> the live cd method is about 3 years old (give or take), the alt install method is about 10-12 years old (give or take)
[16:08] <juanantonio> Vidd, listen, I can follow you if you can explain me step by step, I have no idea of how to do it, I only know what I want: delete SuSE and install Xubunutu
[16:08] <vidd> which do YOU think is more stable? =]
[16:09] <vidd> juanantonio, if you are using the live, i cant walk you step by step
[16:09] <vidd> you use the alt, i can walk you step by step
[16:09] <juanantonio> Hehehe, ok, I am convinced. I am going to exit and insert alternative, it's in the other cd, isn't it?
[16:10] <vidd> IDK
[16:10] <vidd> where did you get these cd's?
[16:10] <juanantonio> from Xubuntu.org page
[16:11] <vidd> on thier /get page...do you see the "alternative install"?
[16:11] <juanantonio> Let me see
[16:13] <vidd> you have to click the link for the mirror you want to use (or did use b4)
[16:13] <vidd> you will get something like http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/8.10/release/
[16:14] <vidd> however, i like the mini, because it is one disk to install all flavors of ubuntu
[16:14] <vidd> !mini
[16:14] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:15] <juanantonio> Yes, I have this
[16:15] <vidd> 10MB disk image, downloads the packages right from the online repos(so no updating after install is complete)
[16:15] <vidd> so we want to fire it up
[16:15] <juanantonio> I have the CD with Modes: Normal, OEM, Install a command line and LTSP
[16:16] <juanantonio> This is what you say, is that right?
[16:16] <vidd> normal if you want the desktop installed too
[16:17] <juanantonio> Yes, I want the desktop as it appears in the CDLive
[16:17] <juanantonio> Ok, go on
[16:18] <vidd> should be self explainitory up to the "partition hard drive" section
[16:18] <vidd> when it asks you to "auto-detect keyboard" tell it "no" (its faster to just select your keyboard)
[16:18] <juanantonio> Sorry. You say once I have pressed Normal, of course
[16:18] <vidd> but if you are not sure, tell me what it says and i'll help you choose the best answer
[16:19] <vidd> yes...select normal
[16:19] <juanantonio> Of course, I will tell you what I do, I am new and I can break something ;)
[16:19] <vidd> juanantonio, you need more skills to break something in this installer before the partitioning!
[16:19] <vidd> =]
[16:20] <juanantonio> Hehehe, ok, thanks, man ;)
[16:20]  * vidd TRIES to break the alt installer during beta cycles!
[16:21] <juanantonio> Buffer I/O error on device sr0, is that bad?
[16:21] <juanantonio> Hehehe, you tried a lot, I see
[16:22] <vidd> buffer I/O error means your disk is likely damaged
[16:22] <vidd> reboot and do a memory check on the cd
[16:22] <juanantonio> Ok
[16:22] <vidd> "check cd for defects"
[16:23] <vidd> also....what version of Xubuntu is this installer?
[16:23] <vidd> the main menu does not sound like any of the supported installs (except possibly 6.06)
[16:24] <juanantonio> hold on
[16:29] <juanantonio> I got a problem, man. This CD was recorded in CDRW
[16:29] <juanantonio> and I think it has some problems, yes
[16:31] <vidd> juanantonio, so if you can get the live cd to properly set up the partitions , your install should be fine.....
[16:31] <vidd> im sure someone else here can assist with it
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[16:33] <juanantonio> Xubuntu version is 8.10, man
[16:58] <juanantonio> I am checking the CD, vidd
[18:26] <KE7CYT> Hello to group.
[18:26] <vidd> hello KE7CYT
[18:26] <KE7CYT> Anyone had success getting audio to work with Neomagic NM2200?
[18:27] <vidd> KE7CYT, is neomagic in the repo's?
[18:28] <vidd> or is that the hardware?
[18:28] <KE7CYT> NM2200 is the video/multimedia chip in a number of older laptops.  It is listed as a supported device.
[18:29] <vidd> KE7CYT, what does lspci say your multimedia card is?
[18:30] <KE7CYT> 01:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicMedia 256AV Audio] (rev 20)
[18:31] <vidd> default xubuntu install?
[18:31] <KE7CYT> Alternate 8.10
[18:31] <vidd> not what i meant....
[18:32] <vidd> did you do a cli install and add a custom desktop? or did you do the normal instal method?
[18:32] <KE7CYT> normal install
[18:32] <vidd> and you made sure the audio dial on the laptop is set to max?
[18:33] <KE7CYT> the slider on the volume control won't move.  lshw shows the device, but marks it 'UNCLAIMED'
[18:34] <vidd> the PHYSICAL dial
[18:34] <vidd> (if your system has one)
[18:34] <KE7CYT> This model laptop doesn't have an external dial
[18:34] <vidd> ok...open the volume applet
[18:35] <KE7CYT> Done.  Windows is blank, shows no devices.
[18:35] <vidd> actually, right-click it and choose "properties"
[18:35] <KE7CYT> m'kay
[18:36] <vidd> what is listed under "Device"?
[18:36] <KE7CYT> Done.
[18:36] <KE7CYT> default
[18:36] <vidd> click the drop-down...any thing else listed?
[18:37] <KE7CYT> no.  I had it working on 8.04
[18:37] <vidd> did you have to install anything special then?
[18:39] <KE7CYT> I modified some files /etc/modprobe.d to force the system to load the soundblaster drivers (nm2200 emulates sb) but they don't work in 8.10
[18:43] <vidd> check the   October 5th, 2006  post by dbott67 on http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32651&page=3
[18:43] <vidd> there is an insert of removing --purge the sound drivers and re-installing them
[18:44] <vidd> there is a cavet about replacing gdm and xubuntu-desktop if they get removed by the uninstall
[18:44] <vidd> see if that helps ya out
[18:44] <vidd> also...UNMODIFY that modprobe.d file
[18:45] <vidd> KE7CYT, ^^^^ you get all that?
[18:45] <KE7CYT> will do.  I'm using a virgin modprobe.d now 'cuz I reinstalled
[18:46] <vidd> KE7CYT, if this dont kix ya up, im out of ideas =[
[18:46] <KE7CYT> Thanks for the pointer!
[18:46] <vidd> *fix
[18:46] <KE7CYT> Buy an eeepc?
[18:47]  * vidd would recommend that wheather your issue gets fixed or not =]
[18:47]  * vidd also recommends using spell-checker!
[18:47] <KE7CYT> Yeah they're sweet.  My laptop I got for $5 at an estate sale.
[18:47] <vidd> heh....i got like 5 laptops for free
[18:48] <vidd> i got another freebie coming next week
[18:48] <KE7CYT> It's fun, repurposing stuff non-techie people throw away.
[18:49] <vidd> the only issues with this freebie nex week is bad cd-rom drive (iraqi sand does that) and windows vista OS
[18:49] <KE7CYT> Gotta run before the FAMILY uses up all the hot water.  Good luck with your freebie! Best regards, KE7CYT
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[23:56] <martyd> anyone have experience moving /home to new partition?