2008/11/28/#xubuntu.txt

[00:48] <NotADJ> Hey, is http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/3034935516_1fd3a41756_b.jpg an HD error, or an FS error.
[00:55] <Mooch> I need some help, I'm trying to send a message through email I have all my settings set up and all I see is sending message and the message I am sending is not very big at all.
[00:57] <Mooch> my outgoing server seems to be set correctly but its not sending my message and I wanted to know why
[01:01] <Mooch> anyone here that can help me out
[01:10] <Mooc1> I am having some problems with email can someone help me out
[01:15] <NotADJ> Mooc1: Try #ubuntu or The ubuntu forum.
[01:15] <NotADJ> Or your Mail Provider.
[01:15] <Mooc1> well the problem lies more on Xubuntu because thats what I have
[01:16] <Mooc1> my server settings are set up correctly but there is something wrong because it is not sending my message
[04:19] <Xylia> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu on my Mini 9, and I don't know how to get the wireless going. Any suggestions?
[05:34] <iShock> Anyone here
[05:35] <Odd-rationale> no
[05:35] <iShock> k
[05:56] <KlrSp1> anyone a hibernate master? i can get it to hibernate, but not resume
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[06:41] <kejing> hey guys
[06:42] <kejing> I am a newbie to ubuntu (installed xfce 4
[06:43] <kejing> I cannot get mail in xfce4 using evolution
[07:33] <atari> is there an "official" way to add crossover to xubuntu? or is dpkg -i just fine?
[09:19] <kim_bruning> Hello, on first install of compiz on  my hp compaq nc6220 it works perfectly, now if I log out and log back in, if I try starting compiz again, it trashes the desktop (huge artifacts, menus render as black with random pixels.. desktop unusable) How do I prevent this? I had similar problems with xfce+compiz on gentoo, and could correct things by deleting all sessions, and preventing session saving... but I'm still in the dark (no pun intended re blac
[09:19] <kim_bruning> k desktop :-P)
[09:23] <kim_bruning> hmm, is anyone in?
[09:42] <onlooker> Hi. I'm having problems making xubuntu remember my manual network settings. I have to retype them each time I login
[10:29] <atari> can anyone tell me why i alsways need to tell xfce "to manage the desktop" after a reboot?
[10:29] <knome> atari, sounds like your saved session is borked.
[10:29] <knome> atari, after logging in, tell xfce to manage the desktop
[10:30] <atari> knome: thats what i did
[10:30] <knome> atari, then log out, but select the checkbox "save session for future logins"
[10:30] <knome> atari, and log back in. what does it do now?
[10:30] <atari> i have no checkbox to save the session on the menu with the 6 entries when exiting...
[10:31] <knome> atari, should be underneath those... which xubuntu version are you using?
[10:31] <atari> 8.10
[10:31] <knome> can you check again? :]
[10:32] <knome> it's a small box underneath the 6 buttons
[10:32] <atari> i am sure i have intrepid
[10:32] <atari> but there is no such box
[10:32] <knome> ok...
[10:32] <knome> sounds like a bug or sth
[10:32] <atari> in the settings somewhere i specified to save the session by default when logging out
[10:33] <knome> yes, is it on now?
[10:33] <atari> i'd say  so
[10:33] <knome> ok, what happens if you log out and in?
[10:33] <atari> mom
[10:38] <knome> ?
[10:38] <atari> didnt help
[10:38] <knome> ok...
[10:39] <atari> could it have something to do with problems with gnome?
[10:39] <knome> not really
[10:40] <knome> is the desktop empty when logging in?
[10:40] <knome> or is nautilus or sth controlling it?
[10:42] <atari> its empty and in a strang brown color...
[10:43] <knome> what if you right click it?
[10:43] <atari> nothing
[10:43] <knome> ok
[10:43] <atari> its possible it has something to do with nautilus...
[10:44] <atari> as i installed nautilus for bluetooth support. since then i have the problem
[10:44] <knome> 'ps -A | grep nautilus' in terminal
[10:44] <knome> does it give output?
[10:44] <atari> 15458 ?        00:00:00 nautilus
[10:44] <atari> hm
[10:45] <knome> ok, if you 'kill 15458' what happens?
[10:45] <atari> when killing it, its working again
[10:45] <knome> the desktop?
[10:46] <atari> well. at least i get the blue desktop as supposed to ;)
[10:46] <knome> ok.
[10:46] <knome> then try to log out and in
[10:48] <atari> ok. now its working as it should
[10:49] <atari> but how to prevent this happening again after a reboot?
[10:55] <knome> hmm.. do not save the sessions
[10:55] <knome> (change the setting)
[10:55] <knome> and do not run nautilus in xfce
[10:55] <knome> if you definitely want to run it and not taking over desktop, run it as 'nautilus --no-desktop'
[10:56] <knome> atari, ^
[10:56] <atari> can you tell me where nautilus is getting started?
[10:56] <knome> i suppose it was saved in the session
[10:57] <knome> if it's started normally, it will have processes running even if all the windows were closed
[10:57] <atari> hm
[10:58] <atari> is there som global config for nautilus where i can specify --no-desktop?
[10:59] <atari> s/som/some
[10:59] <knome> yes, in gconf, but afaik changing the setting doesn't actually do anything.
[10:59] <knome> (it's a bug or not yet implemented)
[10:59] <knome> and i don't nautilus at all anymore, so i wouldn't know even if it worked
[10:59] <atari> grmbl... so i have to life with it for the moment...
[11:00] <knome> is bluetooth the only thing you need nautilus?
[11:00] <atari> need to go to get some food...
[11:00] <knome> ok. bon appetit
[11:00] <atari> merci
[11:00] <atari> à plus tard ;)
[13:49] <sinbox> hi vidd
[13:49] <vidd> hello sinbox
[13:52] <sinbox> grrrr @ liblame0-dev
[13:52] <sinbox> can't find the bugger in the repos :/
[13:59] <vidd> sinbox, i dont see it either
[13:59] <vidd> what is requiring it?
[13:59] <sinbox> all I find where searching is problems with it :/
[13:59] <sinbox> trying to install MuSE for streaming mp3
[14:00] <vidd> sinbox, have you added the medibuntu repos?
[14:00] <vidd> !medibuntu
[14:00] <ubottu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[14:00] <sinbox> if listeners were a bit more clued up I'd happily stick to ogg
[14:00] <sinbox> not sure I have but I did install all the lame packages and libraries I could find
[14:00] <sinbox> in fact I've just downloaded the tarball of the latest lame  version, might try this now
[14:02] <sinbox> which means I probably need to install build-essentials first, I think premature baldness is nearing
[14:04] <sinbox> apparently it's supposed to be a symlink to liblame-dev or some such but it doesn't seem like iut got packaged properly or something (getting in way above my head here)
[15:25] <angelo> hello folks, I'm using xubuntu 8.10 - abiword, while trying to print a document, issues this message: "the specified color format is not supported"
[15:27] <vidd> angelo, you trying to print in color on a black and white printer?
[15:27] <angelo> nope, vidd
[15:28] <vidd> do you have "a2ps" installed?
[15:28] <angelo> yes, the converter is installed
[15:31] <angelo> vidd, CUPS is correctly configured and I can print from other applications or from another pc
[15:31] <vidd> angelo, then im out of ideas....
[15:31]  * vidd uses OOo or mousepad to print =\
[15:31] <angelo> hmm, ok
[15:40] <vidd> angelo, what file format did you save that document?
[15:41] <angelo> abw
[15:41] <vidd> try to convert it to a "more standard" file format
[15:42] <vidd> its possible CUPS doesnt understand it =\
[15:44] <angelo> I will try vidd, thanks for tip
[15:50] <bad-wire> mmm  fluxbox = neat
[15:52] <anubis> What
[15:52] <anubis> What's a fluxbox?
[15:52] <bad-wire> light windows manager for X
[15:53] <anubis> Ah
[15:53] <vidd> bad-wire, lxde = nice as well (with slim or gdm)
[15:53] <anubis> I like xfce
[15:53]  * vidd prefers slim
[15:54] <bad-wire> well, I might try xdm + fluxbox and get rid of all the other stuff on here, in the end it's a matter of personnal preference :)
[16:00] <anubis> Anyone ever have font issues with Wine and Nvidia drivers?  I asked in #wine but noone is answering.
[16:01] <bad-wire> not used wine sorry
[16:04] <angelo> vidd, if I choose odt format abiword prints
[16:04] <mikubuntu> wondering which file is the easiest/best option for me to download to try firefox minefield?   i686.complete.mar   or    i686.tar.bz2 ?
[16:05] <vidd> angelo, =]
[16:06] <vidd> angelo, that means that cups doesnt understand the file format =]
[16:06] <knome> angelo, file a bug
[16:07] <angelo> ok, knome
[16:09] <mikubuntu> will either of these extract easily and automatically be incorporated to menu?
[16:10] <knome> mikubuntu, is it an extension?
[16:10] <ubuntu__> is there a possibility to burn a cd using the xubuntu livecd while having only one cd drive? :)
[16:12] <angelo> bye vidd ;) - people
[16:12] <mikubuntu> no, is a nightly build of firefox alpha codename minefield, supposed to be fairly stable and lightning fast .... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10107591-16.html
[16:13] <knome> mikubuntu, isn't it firefox 3 then...?
[16:14] <vidd> ubuntu__, no
[16:17] <ubuntu__> thanks vidd
[16:18] <mikubuntu> knome: i don't think so, its beyond 3
[16:20] <mikubuntu> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10107591-16.html
[16:20] <dcolish> you know how it got the nickname minefield?
[16:20] <mikubuntu> no, do you
[16:21] <mikubuntu> its a codename, not a nickname
[16:21] <dcolish> oh i'm sorry prof.
[16:21] <mikubuntu> quite allright, then
[16:21] <dcolish> if you've ever looked at the code, its a minefield
[16:22] <dcolish> hence the name. it goes back to when they merged a bunch of stuff from the moz and netscape projects
[16:22] <dcolish> at least that
[16:22] <dcolish> is my understanding
[16:23] <mikubuntu> in what sense, so far i've read two favorable reviews, with recent dating, and the project seems to have been started in 06 or before, so it may have come a long ways
[16:23] <dcolish> sure but there are some nightly builds that are aweful
[16:24] <mikubuntu> thats why i'd like to know how to download it seperately from my reg firefox just to try it out
[16:25] <vidd> mikubuntu, you dont
[16:26] <vidd> it installs as firefox
[16:26] <vidd> it will overwrite your existing firefox
[16:26] <dcolish> mikubuntu: read the developer documentation
[16:27] <dcolish> it is not available as a straight dl
[16:29] <mikubuntu> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/   one of the reviews i read said you could dl one of these without interfering with your installed version, this is no true?
[16:29] <vidd> mikubuntu, if so, i dunno how
[16:30] <vidd> all i can say is "read thier documentation"
[16:30] <mikubuntu> i don't see how it could be any worse than this ff i'm using now has got SO SLOW on ubuntu
[16:31] <vidd> mikubuntu, this is why i use epiphany =]
[16:31] <vidd> uses the same plugins as ff
[16:32] <mikubuntu> and i always have galeon, epiphany, opera, etc to fall back on ...
[16:32] <mikubuntu> huh??? i dint know epiphany used same plugins as ff ...
[16:32] <dcolish> its mozilla based
[16:32] <mikubuntu> u mean same add-ons and extensions?
[16:33] <vidd> mikubuntu, yep
[16:33] <mikubuntu> chatzilla as add on?
[16:34] <vidd> mikubuntu, dunno...i use xchat
[16:35] <mikubuntu> i'll be back in a few.  i think i'm going to change my surf shorts :P
[16:36] <sinbox> si vidd could I just copy a ff profile to epiphany and get it to work just like that?
[16:37] <dcolish> mikubuntu: vidd: I dont know. i just grabbed the latest alpha of ff and its still looking the same to me
[16:37] <vidd> sinbox, i dont know tbh....i never installed ff on that machine to find out =]
[16:38] <sinbox> hehe I copy my profile from one machine to another usually, too many things to reinstall and configure by hand otherwise
[16:39] <vidd> me to...but i dont bookmark alot, and i dont have too many passwords to remember
[16:40]  * vidd tends to copy entire /home directories sometimes =]
[16:44] <sinbox> ah well, I movec to linux 2 days after finishing this machine when the XP one died, I have gazillions of passwords actually, so many I have a list of them, all in code obviously
[16:49] <sinbox> uhoh spammers trying it out on the forum again
[17:02] <mikubuntu> vidd, i added epiphany through synaptic, but it doesn't appear in the menu, what gives
[17:07] <mikubuntu> vidd, do you use epiphany (gecko)?
[17:07]  * vinnl does
[17:07] <knome> mikubuntu, are you sure you installed the epiphany browser?
[17:07] <knome> mikubuntu, there is a game named epiphany as well
[17:07] <vinnl> !info epiphany
[17:07] <ubottu> epiphany (source: epiphany): clone of Boulder Dash game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0-2 (intrepid), package size 82 kB, installed size 288 kB
[17:07] <vinnl> !info epiphany-browser
[17:07] <ubottu> epiphany-browser (source: epiphany-browser): Intuitive web browser - dummy package. In component main, is optional. Version 2.24.1-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 17 kB, installed size 76 kB
[17:07] <knome> hello vinnl o/
[17:07] <vinnl> Hi knome  :)
[17:08] <mikubuntu> dcolish, did you get it from here: ?  http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/
[17:09] <mikubuntu> knome: yes, i got ephiphany, but it looks like i got the one marked (gecko) and i don't know if thats the one i want or not, don't see anywhere on it to grab addons, do you just go to mozilla site and download them?
[17:12] <knome> mikubuntu, epiphany doesn't support the same addons as firefox
[17:12] <knome> afaik
[17:13] <vinnl> Only Gecko plugins like Flash support
[17:13] <vinnl> And some Epiphany-specific extensions, I believe in epiphany-extensions
[17:14] <knome> agree
[17:15] <mikubuntu> oh, well, i thought i understood vidd to say it supported same addons and extensions ...
[17:15] <knome> i'll go now. see you folks later.
[17:15] <vinnl> Bye knome
[17:16] <vinnl> mikubuntu, it does support extensions, but not Firefox's
[17:21] <mikubuntu> k, thx
[17:21] <dcolish> mikubuntu: yes i pulled from that link. usually i built minefield because i want specific build options, but that looks to be a generic build of it
[17:23] <mikubuntu> dcolish: maybe it does look just like ff3, but i read is much faster, what do you think?
[17:24] <dcolish> mikubuntu: i have not run any benchmarks, but I reviewed the features and it doesn't look like a lot of new stuff. besides, i build minefield regularly. why dont you just try it out
[17:30] <mikubuntu> cos i don't know how to dl it separately from my reg ff ...
[17:30] <mikubuntu> somebody said it will replace my reg firefox
[17:31] <dcolish> they were mistaken. it is a simple tarball.
[17:31] <dcolish> you can run it from wherever you untar it
[17:33] <mikubuntu> so, how do i do that ... dl the version thats called tar.bz2 ?
[17:34] <dcolish> yes
[17:35] <mikubuntu> k, then what next?  just right click and extract on the desktop?  how do i make a launcher for it?
[17:36] <mikubuntu> asking me do i want to open with archive manager or save file ?
[17:38] <dcolish> save the file
[17:39] <mikubuntu> k, done
[17:39] <mikubuntu> its on desktop now
[17:40] <dcolish> so extract it to a place you can remember
[17:40] <mikubuntu> uhhhh, like where?
[17:40] <dcolish> depends on what you can remember
[17:41] <dcolish> i usually put alpha or experimental software in a folder called workspace
[17:41] <mikubuntu> i can remember desktop.  right click offers 'extract here' does that mean extract onto desktop?
[17:41] <dcolish> yup
[17:42] <mikubuntu> no prob putting it there?
[17:42] <dcolish> nope
[17:42] <dcolish> make sure its going to create the top level firefox folder and not just spit out all the dir contents
[17:44] <dcolish> brb
[17:46] <mikubuntu> hmmmm, i don't know if its running minefield or ff3 .... it opened ff with all my same addons and configurations
[17:53] <princedugan> is there a way to only hace the xfce panel on my first desktop workspaace?
[17:54] <Odd-rationale> princedugan: i don't think so...
[17:54] <princedugan> /join #xfce
[17:54] <princedugan> oops
[17:54] <Odd-rationale> :P
[17:54] <princedugan> /join #xfce
[17:55] <princedugan> why's it doing that?
[17:55] <Odd-rationale> idk.... what client?
[17:55] <princedugan> pidgin
[17:56] <vidd> princedugan, are you adding a space in the beginning of the line?
[17:56] <princedugan> no, no spaces b4 or after
[18:07] <dcolish> mikubuntu: the help -> about will tell you. also in the ff folder you should see a application.ini file. that specifies the version name
[18:12] <the-erm> anyone know how to set a static ip by chance?
[18:12] <the-erm> or a url how to do it?
[18:12] <the-erm> every ?ubuntu dist has a different way of doing it
[18:13] <the-erm> the applet in the tray won't set it at boot.
[18:13] <the-erm> I'd like to edit the /etc files directly and set it up that way
[18:33] <dcolish> the-erm: check out man interfaces
[18:36] <the-erm> thanks dcolish
[18:36] <the-erm> it was /etc/network/interfaces
[18:37] <the-erm> I'm checking to see if the configuration sticks during reboot now
[18:45] <the-erm> here's something odd ... if I ctrl+alt+F1 then log in ~/.bashrc isn't executed
[18:46] <dcolish> is your shell actually bash?
[18:46] <dcolish> check it
[18:47] <the-erm> echo $SHELL has /bin/bash
[18:47] <vidd> the-erm, first, check that you HAVE ~/.bashrc
[18:48] <the-erm> of course I do :)
[18:48] <the-erm>  . ./.bashrc will run it
[18:48] <vidd> and to verify that you do in fact use bash, check your /etc/passwd file
[18:48] <the-erm> there's a point.
[18:49] <vidd> the last section tell you what default shell you are set to use
[18:49] <likemindead> Hello, all.
[18:49] <the-erm> oddly enough /bin/bash
[18:49] <fonzarelli> the-erm:  xubuntu 8:10?
[18:50] <fonzarelli> 8.10*
[18:50] <the-erm> yes 8.10
[18:50] <likemindead> Printing help, anyone? My Samsung ML-1210 has always worked perfectly 'til I installed the 25 updates this morning. :-\
[18:50] <the-erm> I can live with it, just kinda odd
[18:50] <fonzarelli> k, i'm going to test that, one sec
[18:50] <vidd> fonzarelli, i like the first one....looks like scripture =]
[18:51] <vidd> likemindead, did you reboot after the updates (since there was a kernel update)?
[18:51] <likemindead> I did.
[18:51] <dcolish> the-erm: are you setting anything special in the rc file?
[18:51] <fonzarelli> the-erm: confirmed it works for me.   perhaps the lines in your bashrc that you're expecting to work are malformed?
[18:51] <likemindead> Anytime I try to print I now get "Too many failed attempts."
[18:51] <vidd> the-erm, default .bashrc?
[18:52] <the-erm> fonzarelli: it is possible, there is a lot of stuff in there
[18:52] <the-erm> I'll check out /etc/bashrc if that's what you're saying.
[18:52] <vidd> likemindead, are you trying to print to a network printer? or a local printer?
[18:52] <likemindead> I even turned off and disconnected the printer, deleted it, and reinstalled it.
[18:52] <likemindead> It is local.
[18:52] <fonzarelli> the-erm: i mean in your ~/.bashrc
[18:52] <fonzarelli> if you pastebin it we can take a look
[18:52] <vidd> likemindead, clear your printer cache
[18:52] <vidd> ?
[18:52] <the-erm> I'll pastebin it.
[18:53] <dcolish> fonzarelli: the-erm: just source your file in bash, it will print the errors
[18:53] <dcolish> . ./.bashrc
[18:53] <likemindead> Okay. How do I do that? Wouldn't it clear when I rebooted?
[18:53] <vidd> likemindead, no it would not
[18:53] <likemindead> Ah.
[18:53] <likemindead> Clear printer cache, FTW? How?
[18:55] <vidd> hrm....where the heck is that.....
[18:56] <likemindead> :-)
[18:56] <the-erm> http://pastebin.ca/1269648 # ugly but here it is
[18:57] <fonzarelli> the-erm: does this command produce any errors:   source ~/.bashrc
[18:57] <the-erm> nope
[18:57] <the-erm> but it appears to run it
[18:58] <the-erm> I should probably get the default .bashrc and add what I need to it.
[18:59] <the-erm> However it still doesn't explain why it's not being ran when I log in on a tty ctrl+alt+f1
[18:59] <the-erm> It's not a big deal.  Just thought it was kinda odd.
[19:00] <the-erm> I just checked the permissions, and it doesn't have the execute bit set.  Is your's set?
[19:01] <dcolish> nope
[19:01] <the-erm> I should probably work on the backup script at this time, so skip it.
[19:02] <the-erm> I had to re-install from scratch when I upgraded to 8.10 good thing I back up.
[19:02] <dcolish> yeah, you might find some errors in messages
[19:03] <dcolish> the-erm: what do you use to back up?
[19:05] <the-erm> a custom script that uses rsync and hardlinking
[19:05] <the-erm> backs up the database, sets permissions and a whole bunch of other things
[19:07] <the-erm> I wonder if I added something to /etc/bash.bashrc to execute . ~/.bashrc if that'd fix the problem
[19:10] <dcolish> the-erm: what db do you use?
[19:10] <likemindead> Well, I don't know why, but I can print via OpenOffice 3.0 but not .pdf via Document Viewer.
[19:10] <the-erm> yup adding if [ -e $HOME/.bashrc]; then\n . $HOME/.bashrc\n fi
[19:10] <likemindead> Oh well. Thanks anyways.
[19:11] <vidd> likemindead, did you try to print a pdf from OOo?
[19:13] <dcolish> the-erm: it could be an issue with running the tty as a login shell as opposed to an interactive shell, look at man bash
[19:14] <likemindead> No. I printed it in .odt in OOo.
[19:18] <vidd> likemindead, try to print a .pdf in OOo
[19:18] <vidd> im sure you will find that it doesnt print from there either
[19:19] <vidd> (OOo can open pdf....right?)
[19:19] <Odd-rationale> no...
[19:21] <vidd> likemindead, do you have a2ps installed?
[19:25] <likemindead> I don't think OOo can open .pdf files.
[19:25] <likemindead> Yes, "a2ps is already the newest version."
[19:26] <vidd> likemindead, what error do you get?
[19:27] <likemindead> "Too many failed attempts."
[19:31] <vidd> likemindead, can you print to file? and is this evince?
[19:34] <vidd> hrm....
[19:34]  * vidd just printed a PDF without issue
[19:35] <likemindead> It is "Document Viewer 2.24.1"
[19:35] <likemindead> OOo is still printing just fine for me, though.
[19:36] <likemindead> Weird. :-\
[19:36] <vidd> hrm...im using Evince Document Viewer 2.22.2
[19:39] <vidd> ic....
[19:39] <vidd> evince is version 2.24.1, evince-gtk is version 2.22.2
[19:46] <likemindead> Oh well. As long as OOo is letting me print. I'm sure they'll work the bugs out of evince in a few days.
[19:46] <likemindead> Gotta run. Thanks again. :D
[19:54] <vidd> shame he ran away....
[19:55] <vidd> "they" cant get the bugs worked out unless someone reports them
[19:59]  * vidd has not been able to duplicate his issue, so cannot file a bug =\
[20:00] <vidd> *this*
[23:27] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone. i can't set the proper resolution on a computer i just set up with xubuntu. i'm trying to set 1280x1024 but it won't let me go past 1280x800. any ideas?
[23:36] <retour> Hmmm czy jest to LCD panel?
[23:36] <retour> is it LCD panel?
[23:37] <retour> and what is your chipset? you may need 915chipser patch installed or generate own modelines using GTF
[23:41] <DrUnKnMuNkY> retour: my chipset is G965
[23:49] <JacaByte> You guys know anything about running Xubuntu on a PowerMac 9500?