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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 15 Dec 19:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | |
| [11:59] <lool> hey | |
| [12:02] <lool> meeting? | |
| [12:03] <lool> ogra | |
| [12:03] <ogra> yep | |
| [12:04] <ogra> #startmeeting | |
| [12:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 06:04. The chair is ogra. | |
| [12:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | |
| [12:04] <lool> ogra: Only the two of us so far | |
| [12:04] <ogra> not true :) | |
| [12:04] <ogra> StevenK, just joined | |
| [12:04] <lool> Oh right, I'm hiding joins here now | |
| [12:04] <StevenK> Did not | |
| [12:05] <ogra> but it will be only us three | |
| [12:05] <lool> No wiki page I'm afraid | |
| [12:05] <ogra> davidm should be up to his ears in turkey now and persia is vacating heavily i hope | |
| [12:05] <lool> Yup | |
| [12:06] <ogra> right, no wikipage | |
| [12:06] <lool> I have a couple of topics I couldn't add to the agenda | |
| [12:06] <lool> But it's basically about UDS sessions | |
| [12:06] <ogra> shoot then, since we dont seem to have anything special anyway | |
| [12:06] <lool> There are a couple of ideas I didn't add as bps | |
| [12:07] <lool> Or merged into a single discussion | |
| [12:07] <lool> One is about lpia | |
| [12:07] <ogra> (got a topic name for the bot ?) | |
| [12:07] <lool> [topic] uds sessions | |
| [12:07] <lool> Or optional uds sessions | |
| [12:07] <lool> s/optional/possible | |
| [12:07] <ogra> [topic] optional uds sessions | |
| [12:07] <MootBot> New Topic: optional uds sessions | |
| [12:07] <lool> Ok | |
| [12:08] <ogra> to late :) | |
| [12:08] <lool> So one thing is I merged the "tool to upgrade from one arch to another" session into "lpia versus i386" which is about whether we keep lpia | |
| [12:08] <StevenK> I've been thinking about that. | |
| [12:08] <StevenK> I think we want a session to discuss lpia? | |
| [12:08] <lool> Do you people think we should have two sessions on the two subjects, or that it's ok to proceed like this? | |
| [12:09] <lool> StevenK: I filed an i386-vs-lpia one | |
| [12:09] <ogra> i wonder if we really should discuss keep/drop of lpia | |
| [12:09] <ogra> i think it would run fine alongside the existing x86 arch if we wouldnt have to touch any packages at all for lpia specifics | |
| [12:09] <lool> ogra: At the very least, there's quite a list of tasks to gather if we decide to drop lpia | |
| [12:10] <ogra> since in the end lpia boils down to toolchan and kernel optimizations only | |
| [12:10] <ogra> the archive should solve tself if you take out the hildonization tasks | |
| [12:10] <lool> Yes, but it needs maintenance over source packages: we have modified some debian packages to add lpia and new packages will be added | |
| [12:11] <lool> ogra: Agreed | |
| [12:11] <ogra> right, but thats the only task left | |
| [12:11] <StevenK> lool: The kernel team might kill us | |
| [12:11] <lool> ogra: But if lpia is not significantly faster, don't you think we should drop it? | |
| [12:11] <ogra> so it might make sense to leave it idle and just make sure we rip out the specific hack/patches | |
| [12:11] <lool> I heard many complaints about lpia in the kernel and OEM teams | |
| [12:12] <ogra> well, we should determine how much work is actually left if its only archive admininstration for a self running arch | |
| [12:12] <lool> To be honest, I don't think the kernel concerns would go away if we dropped lpia | |
| [12:12] <ogra> i.e. adding Arch: lpia to packages | |
| [12:12] <ogra> the archive itself shouldnt need much maintenance | |
| [12:13] <lool> ogra: Running the buildds, giving back packages etc.; I think it ends up amounting to some expense to run the arch; cdimage is short on space too, and it's not clear why we'd buy a seed for this or that arch | |
| [12:13] <StevenK> This should be discussed at UDS ... :-) | |
| [12:13] <lool> say, why don't we have desktop lpia images and no i386 mid image | |
| [12:13] <lool> StevenK: Good point | |
| [12:14] <ogra> StevenK, well, we need to find a base for discussion :) but yes, detalis should be at UDS | |
| [12:14] <lool> So my gut feeling is that we might lean towards dropping lpia; but in all cases: do we want to discuss the arch conversion separately or as part of lpia vs i386 discussions? | |
| [12:14] <StevenK> I'm happy that it's spec'd. | |
| [12:14] <StevenK> Let's discuss that during the time slot | |
| [12:14] * ogra would merge it | |
| [12:14] <StevenK> If we have the time to do it then, do it then | |
| [12:14] <lool> http://wiki.debian.org/ArchTakeover | |
| [12:14] <MootBot> LINK received: http://wiki.debian.org/ArchTakeover | |
| [12:14] <lool> Ok, then it's merged | |
| [12:14] <StevenK> If not | |
| [12:15] <ogra> ... we'll have another slot :) | |
| [12:15] <StevenK> Right | |
| [12:15] <StevenK> We can always reschedule it again | |
| [12:15] <ogra> oh, sweet, you cover arm vs armel there as well :) | |
| [12:16] <lool> the other thing I wanted to ask is about a hildon session; I wanted to have one but the hildon schedule slipped a little | |
| [12:16] * ogra likes that | |
| [12:16] <ogra> you mean upstream ? | |
| [12:16] <lool> Still they announced a SDK in november as planned | |
| [12:16] <lool> http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/b417b43eb57011dd9edafbe56a658d758d75/ | |
| [12:16] <MootBot> LINK received: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/b417b43eb57011dd9edafbe56a658d758d75/ | |
| [12:16] <lool> Yes | |
| [12:16] <lool> Also, we usually don't discuss packaging of new GNOMEs, so I wasn't sure whether we wanted a session on the new hildon | |
| [12:17] <ogra> well, to get an overview it would help | |
| [12:17] <ogra> the clutter integration etc are big steps upstream | |
| [12:17] <lool> Ok; so perhaps I should add a bp for a discussion around hildon 2.2 | |
| [12:17] <ogra> would make sense to have some time to look into that ... informational though | |
| [12:18] <lool> That's all I had for UDS sessions | |
| [12:18] <ogra> do we have any plans for mid on arm ? should we discuss something like that ? | |
| [12:19] <ogra> existing devices usually only have 128M ... people that have such thingies wont use ubuntu-desktop on tehm | |
| [12:19] <ogra> (nor -umpc which is similar resource greedy) | |
| [12:20] <ogra> mid sees the only official setup we can provide for such devices atm | |
| [12:20] <ogra> though our arm work isnt focused on mobile at all | |
| [12:20] <lool> ogra: Oh right, I mentionned that on IRC | |
| [12:20] <lool> and didn't bring it up formally here | |
| [12:21] <lool> For armel, I know we aim at building desktop, and perhaps server images | |
| [12:21] <ogra> right, thats what i mean | |
| [12:21] <lool> Even if I'm not sure how useful the former will be on the RAM constraints | |
| [12:21] <lool> But we didn't discuss porting of other images yet | |
| [12:21] <lool> It'd seem most useful to offer the mid/mobile/umpc/netbook images on armel! | |
| [12:21] <ogra> the packages will be there anywaay | |
| [12:22] <ogra> shoud be cheap to roll (inofficial at least) images | |
| [12:22] <lool> This is going to be across the ubuntu-mobile and ubuntu-arm efforts, I think these complement themselves well here | |
| [12:22] <lool> ogra: Well it's probably easy to enable them but what about testing and cdimage space? | |
| [12:23] <lool> I think we were stretched thing on testing for intrepid and fear it will worsen if we try to test armel images on multiple hardware | |
| [12:23] <ogra> cdimage doesnt cost much afaik, releases.u.c is the expensive part | |
| [12:23] <lool> And what about image build time? is that a concern nowadays? | |
| [12:23] <ogra> well, thats why i said unofficial :) | |
| [12:24] <ogra> i doubt that it affects the builds ... | |
| [12:24] <lool> I don't like releasing more images if we don't QA them; the value is in the quality of the result IMHO | |
| [12:24] <ogra> it will affect the arm specific machines only | |
| [12:24] <StevenK> releases isn't expensive | |
| [12:24] <ogra> the heavy part is the livefs building | |
| [12:24] <lool> ogra: AIUI, we need to build the livecd-rootfs on the buildds | |
| [12:24] <ogra> StevenK, in terms of mirroring | |
| [12:24] <lool> And it takes a while on i386 due to the number of images (IIUC) | |
| [12:25] <ogra> we cant build arm livefs'es on the x86 buildds | |
| [12:25] <ogra> thats what i mean | |
| [12:25] <lool> StevenK: Not sure all mirrors can carry many more cd images | |
| [12:25] <ogra> livefs builds will only hog arm machines | |
| [12:25] <ogra> whoops, firefox crashed on me | |
| [12:26] <lool> ogra: Precisely, but if the arm machines are slower, there might be a concern that building all images take 3 days (I'm exagerating of course) | |
| [12:26] <lool> *exaggerating | |
| [12:26] <ogra> well, if they are not rebuildign the whole archive they should be fine i assume | |
| [12:26] <lool> Like if we need to reroll them like we had for the intrepid release | |
| [12:27] <ogra> we should probably discuss and define a testphase at uds for this | |
| [12:27] <ogra> helps also to get estimates for the normal images | |
| [12:27] <lool> what do you mean with testphase? | |
| [12:27] <ogra> build additional images for one or two alphas and measure times and loads | |
| [12:28] <ogra> and the time we actually need to invest | |
| [12:28] <lool> Oh ok | |
| [12:28] <lool> Sure | |
| [12:28] <ogra> and make a decision based on these numbers | |
| [12:28] <lool> Is this something we want an UDS session on? | |
| [12:29] <ogra> we should discuss it there, not necessarily something we need to book a session for imho | |
| [12:29] <lool> Hmm ok | |
| [12:29] <ogra> "dinner session" | |
| [12:29] <ogra> :) | |
| [12:29] <lool> Ah I have another unrelated topic | |
| [12:30] <lool> Just a reminder that next week will be december | |
| [12:30] <ogra> it think if we decide to have it and need to make plans we can schedule a session ad hoc | |
| [12:30] <lool> I think StevenK is the next secretary -- correct? | |
| [12:30] <ogra> yeah | |
| [12:30] <lool> StevenK: roger? | |
| [12:30] <ogra> i only have one set of ARs ahead :) phew ... | |
| [12:30] * lool will go for February muahahah | |
| [12:30] <ogra> december will be mostly nothing | |
| [12:31] <lool> StevenK: Do you copy? | |
| [12:31] <ogra> UDS ... christmas break | |
| [12:31] <lool> I think we're losing StevenK | |
| [12:31] <StevenK> Hm? | |
| [12:31] <StevenK> I am? | |
| [12:31] <StevenK> Sorry | |
| [12:31] <lool> StevenK: I think so? persia wanted January | |
| [12:31] <lool> (IIRC) | |
| [12:31] <StevenK> Sounds right to me | |
| [12:32] <ogra> StevenK, take it, its the easiest month :) | |
| [12:32] <lool> Okay I don't have anything to bring up today | |
| [12:32] <lool> +more | |
| [12:32] <ogra> me neither | |
| [12:32] <lool> Let's close at 13:31 | |
| [12:32] <ogra> yeah | |
| [12:32] <lool> It's a 1331 time | |
| [12:32] <ogra> going once | |
| [12:32] <ogra> going twice ... | |
| [12:32] <ogra> gong ... adjourned ... | |
| [12:33] <ogra> #endmeeting | |
| [12:33] <lool> ogra: thanks for chairing | |
| [12:33] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:33. | |
| [12:33] <ogra> bah that was 1333 | |
| [12:33] <StevenK> I suspect no meeting next week, or the week after? | |
| [12:33] * ogra is travelling | |
| [12:33] <lool> Likely not indeed | |
| [12:34] <ogra> do we all come to fosscamp ? | |
| [12:34] <lool> StevenK: Problem is that while we'd have the time to, we're actually just before, just after, or in the middle of travel and also the times are crazy for west coast | |
| [12:34] <lool> We could move the irc meeting to friday and some decent local time? | |
| [12:34] <ogra> lets discuss with david at UDS :) | |
| [12:35] <ogra> next week looks like we're all in the air anyway | |
| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Dec 21:00: Community Council | 02 Dec 23:00: Forum Council | 15 Dec 19:00: LoCo Council | 16 Dec 11:00: Community Council | |
| [14:00] <Koon> Anyone around for the Java team meeting ? | |
| [14:06] <Koon> I guess not. | |
| [14:08] <Koon> OK, let's call the Java meeting off, for lack of participants. Next meeting will be Thu, Dec 4, 1400 UTC. | |
| [14:09] <Koon> (and happy Thanksgiving) | |
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