| [00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: run nm-applet | |
| [00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: it'll show up in the system tray | |
| [00:01] <neozen> jmichaelx: if you've got one | |
| [00:04] <neozen> if not... just right click on your panel... pick "add to panel" then search for "System Tray" | |
| [00:04] <neozen> jmichaelx: add that to your panel... then you have a place for the network-manager-gnome icon to show up in | |
| [01:07] <keith> I'm looking for help with my sound. | |
| [01:08] <keith> anybody home? | |
| [01:09] <zoredache> !anyone | |
| [01:09] <ubottu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? | |
| [01:11] <keith> not looking for an English lesson! | |
| [01:12] <zoredache> !question | |
| [01:12] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | |
| [01:14] <keith> I'm not familiar with the protocol here. I will start over. | |
| [01:17] <keith> Is there anyone running 8.0 on an HP zv5000? I am having a problem with "no sound". I sometimes get static and nothing else. | |
| [01:52] <law__> hi | |
| [01:52] <ball> hello law__ | |
| [01:52] <law__> hello ball | |
| [01:52] <law__> i have some problem here | |
| [01:52] * ball is watching Mrs. ball courtesy of WiFi and a USB webcam | |
| [01:53] <ball> law__: what is your problem? | |
| [01:54] <law__> my xp pc can't ping to my xubuntu pc, but my xubuntu can ping to xp | |
| [01:54] <ball> Hmm... let me try that now | |
| [01:55] <law__> i have shared a folder in xubuntu and i want to access the shared folderd from xp | |
| [01:56] <ball> did you share it using Samba? | |
| [01:56] <law__> yup | |
| [01:56] <ball> What are the respective IP addresses of each machine? | |
| [01:57] <law__> xp-> 192.168.0.5 xubuntu->192.168.0.94 | |
| [01:57] <ball> subnet masks? | |
| [01:58] <law__> 255.255.255.0 | |
| [01:58] <ball> on a command line on the XP box, type "arp 192.168.0.94" | |
| [02:03] <law__> when i open \\192.168.0.94 from xp pc it says 192.168.0.94 network path was not found | |
| [02:05] <ball> law__: you'd need a share name too. | |
| [02:05] <ball> What did arp say? | |
| [02:06] <ball> hello zenrox | |
| [02:06] <law__> then i try to ping 192.168.0.94(xubuntu ip) from xp and it returns RTO | |
| [02:07] <ball> wtf is RTO ? | |
| [02:09] <law__> request time out | |
| [02:11] <ball> Oh, well that's sad. | |
| [02:12] <law__> is there any possibility that it is caused by xubuntu firewall ? | |
| [02:12] <ball> law__: not inconceivable, but iwfm | |
| [02:13] <law__> iwfm? | |
| [02:13] <ball> it works for me. | |
| [02:13] <law__> do u know where is to configure xubuntu firewall? | |
| [02:14] <ball> Give me a minute or two and I'll have a look. | |
| [02:14] <law__> ok | |
| [02:16] <ball> I don't know. I can't find it. | |
| [02:16] <law__> i just fresh install my xubuntu | |
| [02:17] <law__> so i think all conf is still in default conf | |
| [02:17] <ball> I can ping my ubuntu box | |
| [02:18] <law__> when i use ubuntu i can ping it to | |
| [02:18] <law__> but now i use xubuntu | |
| [02:18] <ball> I don't have a pure Xubuntu box yet, so ymmv | |
| [02:22] <law__> thx ball | |
| [02:22] <law__> anyone can help me to solve my problem? | |
| [02:23] <ball> I've been looking for a firewall-related command, but I'm not seeing it. | |
| [02:23] <Shaba1> ball: on xubuntu | |
| [02:23] <Shaba1> ? | |
| [02:24] <Shaba1> I did not know it came with a firewall | |
| [02:24] <ball> Shaba1: yes, sort of. | |
| [02:24] <ball> Shaba1: I don't know. | |
| [02:26] <law__> i 'm not certain too it's caused by firewall | |
| [02:27] <law__> but it;s weird that i cant ping my xubuntu from xp | |
| [02:28] <law__> could u help me Shabal? | |
| [02:31] <Shaba1> with what. | |
| [02:32] <Shaba1> I am clueless in the linux world | |
| [02:32] <law__> that's ok Shabal | |
| [02:33] <ball> I can launch individual X clients, but don't have a convenient way of getting to the menu. | |
| [02:35] <law__> individual X clients? | |
| [02:35] <Shaba1> sorry law__ | |
| [02:35] <Shaba1> I am new to linux myself | |
| [02:35] <Shaba1> very versed in the windows world | |
| [02:36] <Shaba1> but I decided to plunge into linux a few months ago to make myself more employable | |
| [02:36] <law__> that's ok Shabal i'm still learning too | |
| [02:37] <law__> so what distro do u use Shabal? | |
| [02:37] <Shaba1> xubuntu hardy 8.04 | |
| [02:37] <Shaba1> although I am on the windows side of this computer right now | |
| [02:38] <law__> i'm using xubuntu 8.10 | |
| [02:39] <Shaba1> lots of the web development programs only come in linux versions | |
| [02:39] <law__> i found that ubuntu more easy to use than xubuntu | |
| [02:39] <Shaba1> or the newest versions are linux | |
| [02:39] <Shaba1> the windows version lag behind | |
| [02:39] <Shaba1> so I had to get some form of linux | |
| [02:39] <law__> but the gnome desktop not working so good in my laptop | |
| [02:40] <law__> so i move to xubuntu (xfce desktop) | |
| [02:40] <Shaba1> yeah but ubuntu would not work on this ancient laptop | |
| [02:40] <Shaba1> would not even install | |
| [02:40] <ball> If I had a very fast computer, I would probably still prefer Xubuntu | |
| [02:41] <Shaba1> Oh I have a fast desktop machine | |
| [02:41] <law__> i'm agree ball | |
| [02:41] <Shaba1> but I need to clear off disk space to make and effective linux partition | |
| [02:41] <ball> Hey! I can launch thunar | |
| [02:42] <law__> <ball> Hey! I can launch thunar. -> then? | |
| [02:42] <colton_> Hi. What's the biggest difference between xubuntu and the other ubuntu distros? | |
| [02:42] <law__> the desktop manager colton | |
| [02:43] <ball> colton_: Xubuntu is mercifully free of KDE and Gnome | |
| [02:45] <ball> law__: thunar also just spawned totem. | |
| [02:46] <colton_> what is a desktop manager? | |
| [02:46] <law__> spawned totem ? what it means ball | |
| [02:46] <colton_> I want a desktop which is good for programming. Does that make sense? what would that be. | |
| [02:48] <ball> law__: I double-clicked on an MP3 file and thunar started totem, opening it on my display (even though I'm sitting in another room) | |
| [02:48] <law__> i think all desktop is good for programming | |
| [02:49] <law__> i got it now ball :) | |
| [02:50] <ball> law__: Old programmers like me are more comfortable at the command line. | |
| [02:50] <ball> We can use the GUI if it's there, but we don't depend on it. | |
| [02:50] <ball> ...and we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt | |
| [02:51] <law__> so what programming language u use ball? | |
| [02:51] <ball> law__: this year I'm mostly paid to code in php and IBM DB2 | |
| [02:51] <law__> ya i agree ->we're able to do some things faster from a $ prompt | |
| [02:51] <law__> i;m using db2 too | |
| [02:51] <law__> version 8.12 | |
| [02:52] <ball> I haven't tried it on Linux yet. | |
| [02:52] <law__> ya i used it on winxp | |
| [02:53] <law__> not on linux yet | |
| [02:53] <ball> I don't have a Windows box | |
| [02:53] <ball> My wife does. | |
| [02:53] <law__> so what os do u use to run db2 ball? | |
| [02:54] <ball> We have it on (well, /in/ ) IBM i5/OS | |
| [02:54] <Shaba1> db2? | |
| [02:54] <ball> Shaba1: it's a database engine from IBM | |
| [02:55] <ball> I need to go and wash some dishes. | |
| [02:55] <law__> i want to go to my client place too | |
| [02:55] <law__> so bye for now | |
| [02:55] <colton_> How can you edit programs effectively without a gui to help you out? | |
| [02:56] <ball> colton_: I use joe | |
| [02:56] <ball> (a text editor) | |
| === ball is now known as ball_ | |
| [02:56] <colton_> Is there stuff which is slower from a $ prompt? | |
| === doris is now known as ball | |
| [02:57] <colton_> joe? | |
| [02:57] <ball_> colton_: yes and there are also things that aren't practical from the command line | |
| [02:57] <colton_> hmm. brb | |
| [03:05] <ball> soren! | |
| [03:05] <ball> I haven't seen you for years! | |
| [03:06] <ball> Okay, I'm off to wash some dishes anyway. | |
| [03:06] <ball> bye all. | |
| === doris is now known as ball | |
| [03:08] <ball> What is the cli command to suspend a Xubuntu box? | |
| [03:09] <colton_> What sorts of things are made much easier by an IDE vs a terminal? | |
| [03:09] <ball> colton_ a good ide helps with debugging, but stays out of your way otherwise. | |
| [03:10] <ball> e.g. when there's a bug, the IDE drops you in the source right where it happened. | |
| [03:10] <ball> ...but come to think of it, the IDEs I used most /were/ terminal (text-based) programs | |
| [03:11] <Kiption> you can do the same things with a terminal and a good text editor | |
| [03:11] <Kiption> the IDE is useful for if you don't know the code in my opinion | |
| [03:11] <Kiption> after that, they almost always get in the way | |
| [03:12] <ball> A good IDE can be useful even if you do know the code, but good IDEs are few-and-far-between in my experience. | |
| [03:12] <ball> Kiption's right about them getting in the way. | |
| [03:12] <colton_> So. A really good programmer should be able to work with a console and text editor as well if not better than with an IDE? | |
| [03:12] <ball> I can't use Zend Studio at work because it gets in the way too much | |
| [03:12] <ball> colton_: probably, yes. | |
| [03:13] <Kiption> so a programmer that really knows the application he's working on is probably better with a terminal and a text editor | |
| [03:13] <Kiption> the quality of the programmer really doesn't have anything to do with it | |
| [03:13] <ball> brb, trying suspend and wake-on-lan | |
| [03:13] <Kiption> i personally use both, but if I'm fixing something simple I just use gVim and a terminal | |
| [03:13] <Kiption> if I have to spend more than an hour or so in and I'm writing something new | |
| [03:14] <Kiption> an IDE is more useful | |
| [03:14] <Kiption> depends on how many notes you want to make while you're writing really | |
| [03:14] <colton_> what IDE(s) do you use? | |
| === tuna-fish is now known as tuna | |
| [06:21] <law1> hi | |
| [06:21] <law1> anyone online | |
| [06:22] <ball> nope. | |
| [06:22] <law1> hi ball | |
| [06:23] <jmichaelx> i'm not either | |
| [06:23] <law1> hi jmichaelx | |
| [06:23] <jmichaelx> !hi | law1 | |
| [06:23] <ubottu> law1: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | |
| [06:24] <law1> hi ubottu | |
| [06:24] <ball> !hi | 5 | |
| [06:24] <ubottu> 5: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! | |
| [06:26] <law1> why this room so silent? | |
| [06:26] <jmichaelx> we're meditating | |
| [06:26] <law1> i haven't solved my problem yet | |
| [06:27] <deathtome> !ripper | |
| [06:27] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ripper | |
| [06:27] <deathtome> !rip mp3 | |
| [06:27] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rip mp3 | |
| [06:27] <deathtome> how do i rip a cd to mp3 | |
| [06:28] <deathtome> in 8.10 | |
| [06:28] <ball> cdparanoia | |
| [06:28] <ball> ...then bladeenc | |
| [06:28] <ball> that's what I would do anyway. | |
| [06:30] <law1> deathtome use grip | |
| [06:30] <ball> I have to go | |
| [06:32] <deathtome> thanks for your help | |
| [06:33] <law1> anybody knows why i can't access my xubuntu shared folder from my winxp pc? | |
| [06:34] <law1> when i run \\192.168.0.94(my xubuntu ip) from win xp it says no network path was found | |
| [06:36] <law1> i can ping winxp pc from xubuntu pc but can't ping xubuntu pc from winxp pc | |
| [06:37] <law1> anybody can help me? | |
| [07:52] <R1cochet> is there a way to type in spaces to a file path in terminal | |
| [08:13] <atari> R1cochet: "\ " | |
| [09:57] <R1coch3t> is there a way to create a user interface theme? | |
| === R1coch3t is now known as R1cochet | |
| [10:36] <R1cochet> :) | |
| [11:39] <whyking__> hi | |
| [11:39] <whyking__> since the upgrade to 8.10 I have random crashes of x.org | |
| [12:33] <iuri> hi there, after i upgrade my kernel i lost wireless driver | |
| [12:34] <iuri> does anyone know how to fix this problem? | |
| [12:37] <jonnyboy27> what wireless chipset are you using? | |
| [12:48] <jonnyboy27> evidently he'd figured it out | |
| [13:09] <Ben_Cs> hello | |
| [13:09] <Ben_Cs> is there a good organizer for xubuntu? | |
| [13:14] <jonnyboy27> what kind of organiser do you mean? | |
| [13:15] <jonnyboy27> a PIM app like outlook or a project management program? | |
| [13:15] <Ben_Cs> a todo list manager | |
| [13:15] <jonnyboy27> yeah, theres a couple. linux format did a good group review on list managers/GTD software recently, I'll just find the link | |
| [13:18] <jonnyboy27> damn, it's only available to subscribers | |
| [13:18] <Ben_Cs> jonnyboy27: ok | |
| [13:18] <jonnyboy27> i've used tracks in teh past - quite nice | |
| [13:19] <Ben_Cs> jonnyboy27: i noticed xfce4-notes plugin. it's enough. thanks | |
| [13:19] <jonnyboy27> no worries | |
| [13:20] <Ben_Cs> bye :) | |
| === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla | |
| [14:38] <bad-wire> back with sound problems: sound keeps cutting out during playback, when I log into a gnome session it works fine (same hardware software and files being played) | |
| [14:41] <vidd> bad-wire, you have this issue with a live cd? | |
| [14:41] <bad-wire> nope with a recent install, all updates done | |
| [14:41] <bad-wire> btw: spoke with you yesterday as sinbox vidd | |
| [14:42] <vidd> so the live cd works fine? or have you not tested? | |
| [14:42] <sniperlt> Hello folks | |
| [14:42] <vidd> i want to rule out setting conflicts | |
| [14:42] <vidd> hello sniperlt | |
| [14:43] <sniperlt> Hey on window I can right click any web page and choose 'create shortcut' from the popup window. Is there a way to do that in firefox | |
| [14:44] <vidd> lets find out sniperlt | |
| [14:44] <vidd> sniperlt, click and drag the tab out of FF onto your desktop | |
| [14:45] <sniperlt> vidd: ok and thanks again for the help yesterday | |
| [14:45] <vidd> np | |
| [14:45] <vidd> bad-wire, sorry...im not really sure what may be causing your sound issue except possibly a software conflict.... | |
| [14:46] <sniperlt> yep that did it vid | |
| [14:46] <vidd> xfce and gnome use all the same back-ends for sound | |
| [14:46] <vidd> (at least...as far as I know) | |
| [14:46] <sniperlt> what I specifically meant to thank you for is not being a sarcastic ass when you helped like so many people are on here. | |
| [14:47] <vidd> sniperlt, if you want...i can be sarcastic......i LIKE being sarcastic.... =] | |
| [14:47] <vidd> and sometimes I am sarcastic if someone gets under my skin | |
| [14:47] <sniperlt> oh please no | |
| [14:47] <sniperlt> I get enought of that on freenode already | |
| [14:48] <vidd> but usuially, i just stop helping | |
| [14:48] <sniperlt> And we wonder why people call us geeks | |
| [14:49] <sniperlt> vidd: what is the little white circle for at the top left of most xubuntu windows for | |
| [14:49] <vidd> ???? | |
| [14:49] <vidd> i think its for "shadow" | |
| [14:50] <sniperlt> what is shadow? | |
| [14:50] <vidd> hides all but the title bar | |
| [14:50] <vidd> very useful for those that dont use panels | |
| [14:50] <vidd> ****shade****not shadow....sorry | |
| [14:51] <sniperlt> I just clicked it in this kvirc window and it did nothing | |
| [14:51] <vidd> OH!.....i see the circle now..... | |
| [14:51] <vidd> that pins the app on all desktops | |
| [14:51] <bad-wire> i haven't tried with live cd yet vidd I'll do that and report back | |
| [14:52] <vidd> the little "up arrow" on the right side does the shade | |
| [14:52] * vidd has issues with "left" and "right" | |
| [14:53] * vidd needed to keep a small rock in his left pocket during his military days =] | |
| [14:53] <sniperlt> ah i see now | |
| [14:53] <sniperlt> ok | |
| [14:53] <sniperlt> now i got a full kvirc window | |
| [14:54] <sniperlt> and cannot figure out how to resize it | |
| [14:54] <vidd> do you see the 4 squares in the upper right? | |
| [14:55] <vidd> "arrow" "underscore" "[dunno what is here for you]" "X"? | |
| [14:55] <sniperlt> yepper | |
| [14:56] <sniperlt> I do not have it maximized | |
| [14:56] <vidd> is the [dunno...] one square or two? | |
| [14:56] <sniperlt> it has two squares | |
| [14:56] <sniperlt> but it is still full screen | |
| [14:56] <vidd> ah...then it is maximized | |
| [14:56] <sniperlt> and will nto resize | |
| [14:57] <vidd> single square is "not maximized" | |
| [14:57] <vidd> the icon tells you what WILL happen | |
| [14:57] <sniperlt> ok I changed that but still no sizing handles | |
| [14:57] <vidd> move your cursor to the bottom right corner.... | |
| [14:58] <vidd> or....grab the title bar and drag down and right..... | |
| [14:58] <vidd> the upper left and the bottom right are usually the best "resize" locations | |
| [14:59] <sniperlt> ok got it | |
| [14:59] <sniperlt> thanks again | |
| [14:59] * vidd needs to start charging =] | |
| [14:59] <vidd> j/k | |
| [15:01] <vidd> sniperlt, i guess the reason i dont come accross as sarcastic is because i do this kind of tech support for work (as well as phone and email) | |
| [15:02] <bad-wire> is there a keyboard shortcut to start a terminal or do you have to set one yourself? | |
| [15:02] <vidd> bad-wire, that depends.... | |
| [15:03] <vidd> the [ctl]+[alt]+[f-] keys count? | |
| [15:03] * bad-wire thinks vidd is masochist | |
| [15:03] <bad-wire> ;) | |
| [15:03] <vidd> they are tty's | |
| [15:03] <bad-wire> which [f.] key would that be? | |
| [15:03] <vidd> f1-f6 | |
| [15:04] <vidd> if that counts....then yeah.... | |
| [15:04] <bad-wire> I was actually thinking of a terminal window on the desktop rather than full terminal mode, and btw how do you get out of the tty back to desktop? | |
| [15:04] <vidd> if it dont, then no...you have to build your own | |
| [15:05] * bad-wire grabs his toolbox | |
| [15:05] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+[f7} | |
| [15:05] <bad-wire> thanks :) | |
| [15:05] <bad-wire> anyone here happens to use liveice? | |
| [15:06] * vidd has never heard of it....would that be a "no" or "only if it's a secret part of something else"? | |
| [15:06] <vidd> =] | |
| [15:07] <vidd> sniperlt, that little bit of sarcasim is dedicated to you! =] | |
| [15:07] <bad-wire> hehe | |
| [15:07] <vidd> si9nce you miss it so much! | |
| [15:08] <vidd> bad-wire, do you not have a panel launcher for terminal? | |
| [15:08] <bad-wire> it's part of the icecast package (I think) for streaming mp3 (the chaps in the icecast channel are not very found of mp3 streaming anf helping with it) | |
| [15:09] <jonnyboy27> bad-wire - i'd second using a panel button for [insert terminal emulator of choice here] | |
| [15:09] <bad-wire> I guess I could add a panel launcher but it's for those times I'm on keyboard-at-full speed mode | |
| [15:09] * vidd has the terminal added to his menu so he only needs to [alt]+[esc] and [down arrow] twice to get terminal | |
| [15:10] <jonnyboy27> i'm not sure whether you can assign a kb shortcut to a launcher in xfce. iirc you can in gnome, but alas i'm on my work xp machine atm so no way of trying | |
| [15:10] <bad-wire> does [alt]+[esc] bring out the menu? | |
| [15:10] * vidd recommends assigning that task to the evil "cap-lock" button | |
| [15:11] <vidd> bad-wire, yes it does | |
| [15:11] <bad-wire> cap-lock is a useful moron hunting tool methinks | |
| [15:11] <jonnyboy27> aah, in keyboard preferences you can assign keyboard shortcuts to any command you like | |
| [15:12] <vidd> 95% of my support calls are caused by that cap's lock key | |
| [15:12] <bad-wire> hmmm, doesn't bring the menu down for me :'( | |
| [15:12] <bad-wire> are the other 5% to do with the computer not being plugged in? | |
| [15:12] <vidd> its ctrl...not alt....sorry | |
| [15:13] <jonnyboy27> most of our sales team enter everything in FULL CAPS and so never turn caps off. meaning all my support emails are SHOUTED AT ME!!! | |
| [15:13] <bad-wire> OK that works :) | |
| [15:13] * vidd is off for his 15 minute smoke break | |
| [15:13] <bad-wire> ah well, that's sales staff for you ;-) | |
| [15:14] <jonnyboy27> uh-huh. | |
| [15:14] * jonnyboy27 notices #xubuntu slowly turning into an ASR-esque bitch-fest | |
| [15:14] <jonnyboy27> :P | |
| [15:17] <bad-wire> this sound problem is really weird, but it seems to be slowly getting les and less worse, baffling to say the least | |
| === knome_ is now known as knome | |
| [15:23] * vidd is BACK | |
| [15:23] <vidd> \0. knome | |
| [15:29] <jonnyboy27> @bad-wire - it certainly does sound (no pun intended) odd | |
| [15:30] <jonnyboy27> is it crackling or intermittently cutting out? | |
| [15:30] <jonnyboy27> with all sound sources? do you get it with alsa/oss/pulse? | |
| [15:31] <bad-wire> yes, most weird, I find Xubuntu not the easiest for sound configuration, it was also weird when I installed it on my laptop | |
| [15:31] <bad-wire> luckily I was saved there by the HDD dying very soon after :/ | |
| [15:31] <bad-wire> it intermittently cuts out and goes "scritch scritch" | |
| [15:32] <vidd> "saved ... by the HDD dying"???? | |
| [15:32] <vidd> so strange to hear | |
| [15:32] <vidd> what ever became of that lappy? | |
| [15:32] <bad-wire> only using the xcfe-mixer I haven't played with the rest yet, and this seems to be using the alsa backend and driver | |
| [15:32] <jonnyboy27> so the "scritch scritch" isn't the heads bouncing off the platters then? :P | |
| [15:33] <bad-wire> I put the old win2k HDD back in it until I get my hands on another 2'5 HDD | |
| [15:33] <vidd> those things are starting to get scarce | |
| [15:34] <vidd> all you see these days are sata's | |
| [15:34] <bad-wire> wouldn't be the heads as I'm reading the tracks of a CD, just to be sure if I log into a gnome session it actually works without a hitch | |
| [15:34] <bad-wire> being a cheapskate I think I'm at least a year away of SATA drives | |
| [15:47] <bad-wire> bye for now | |
| === tuna-fish is now known as tuna | |
| [16:04] <jonnyboy27> lo tuna | |
| [16:05] <tuna> hi | |
| [16:30] <fr4nk> hello | |
| [16:31] <vidd> hello fr4nk | |
| [16:31] <fr4nk> where i can find the log of the boot procedure?? the file var/log/boot is empty..... oO | |
| [16:36] <vidd> fr4nk, did you open it with root permissions? | |
| [16:38] <vidd> hrm...nvmd | |
| [16:38] <vidd> fr4nk, i think it is dmesg you want to look at | |
| [16:40] <fr4nk> root doesn't work too: "(Nothing has been logged yet.)" ;) | |
| === sniperlt is now known as Shaba1 | |
| [16:44] <fr4nk> brb | |
| [16:46] <Shaba1> Ok brb everyone time to swith over to familiar old windows xp | |
| [16:53] <vidd> wb fr4nk | |
| [16:53] <vidd> as i said b4....check dmesg ... not boot | |
| [16:54] <fr4nk> jeah, but i missing a message, because my startscript doesn't work fine...so i tried to used an absolute path..seems to work now.... | |
| [16:55] <fr4nk> i have a problem with the taskbars.....standard installation uses a clock in the upper taskbar, this one i deleted and added the orage-clock to the bottom taskbar..... | |
| [16:56] <fr4nk> but sometimes, i have 2 clocks | |
| [16:56] <fr4nk> one in the upper one in the bottom taskbar | |
| [16:56] <fr4nk> sometimes both in the bottom taskbar | |
| [16:57] <fr4nk> sometimes it doesn't save my configuration i have the feeling....dunno | |
| [16:59] <fr4nk> <-- afk | |
| [17:00] <vidd> fr4nk, nvmd then...let me know when your back | |
| [17:10] <ashdjones> Hi I have a problem with my Xubuntu installation and I wondered if anybody could help please? | |
| [17:11] <vidd> ashdjones, can you be slightly more specific? | |
| [17:12] <ashdjones> yes | |
| [17:12] <vidd> !ask | |
| [17:12] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | |
| [17:13] <ashdjones> Okay sorry. I installed using the 'install inside windows' option and it's been working fine for the last few days, but not it won't boot up. I shut it down correctly but it claims there is a problem with the filesystem and that I should go into Windows and do 'chkdsk /r'. | |
| [17:14] <vidd> ashdjones, did you upgrade the kernel in it? | |
| [17:14] <ashdjones> Not as far as I know, I haven't applied any updates manually. | |
| [17:15] <vidd> did you do the chkdsk /r in windows? | |
| [17:15] <ashdjones> Yes but windows claim the device volume is in use. | |
| [17:15] <vidd> ic | |
| [17:16] <vidd> how much of its alloted space is used up? | |
| [17:17] <ashdjones> Well i'm in Windows now so I can only check the folder size (one moment) 4.27 gb | |
| [17:17] <ashdjones> Which I think is more than I alloted it. | |
| [17:17] <fr4nk> vidd i'm back ;) | |
| [17:18] <vidd> ashdjones, if you only alloted 4gb, then uninstall it via control panel, and re-install it | |
| [17:18] <ashdjones> Okay. Is there no other way to fix it? | |
| [17:18] <vidd> fr4nk, open up your ~./config/xfce4/panel folder | |
| [17:19] <vidd> ashdjones, not that I know of...i dont think you can live-boot and access the wubi drive..... | |
| [17:20] <vidd> besides, if you only allocated 4gb of hd space for the wubi, you need to format it and rebuild it anyway....otherwise it will fail in a few days again anyway | |
| [17:20] <fr4nk> vidd and now? | |
| [17:20] <ashdjones> Okay well thanks for your help, it have been sensible if the installation had warned me before this happened. | |
| [17:20] <ashdjones> I guess I should allot it more space? | |
| [17:21] <vidd> ashdjones, yeah... i allocate 6gb just for system files | |
| [17:22] <vidd> ashdjones, i cant say for certain this is the cause of your issue..... | |
| [17:22] <vidd> but its wubi...not a seperate partition | |
| [17:22] <vidd> so i dont know how to get into it | |
| [17:22] <vidd> (from windows) | |
| [17:22] <vidd> fr4nk, open your file manager | |
| [17:22] <vidd> go to your home directory | |
| [17:23] <vidd> click the "show hidden" in the view menu | |
| [17:23] <ashdjones> Vidd: Okay. Are there no tools for managing a wubi file system from Windows? | |
| [17:23] <vidd> open up .config | |
| [17:23] <fr4nk> yes i did, i am in the folder now | |
| [17:24] <vidd> ashdjones, if there are, i dont know them....windows is an evil beast that has no buisness on any of my systems =] | |
| [17:24] <ashdjones> A puritan I see ;) | |
| [17:24] <vidd> fr4nk, pastebin me the contents of the panels.xml file | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <!DOCTYPE config SYSTEM "config.dtd"> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <panels> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <panel> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <properties> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <property name="size" value="24"/> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <property name="monitor" value="0"/> | |
| [17:24] <vidd> ashdjones, no...just see no point in having virus magnets on my network | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <property name="screen-position" value="2"/> | |
| [17:24] <fr4nk> <property name="fullwidth" value="1"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="xoffset" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <vidd> HEY!!!!!!! | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="yoffset" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="handlestyle" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="autohide" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="transparency" value="20"/> | |
| [17:25] <vidd> !pastebin | fr4nk | |
| [17:25] <ubottu> fr4nk: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="activetrans" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> </properties> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <items> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="xfce4-menu" id="1"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="places" id="2"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="launcher" id="2"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="separator" id="3"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="systray" id="4"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="xfce4-mixer" id="5"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <item name="actions" id="6"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> </items> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> </panel> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <panel> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <properties> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="size" value="24"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="monitor" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="screen-position" value="11"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="fullwidth" value="1"/> | |
| [17:25] <ashdjones> vidd: Yes, well I can agree with you on that. | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="xoffset" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="yoffset" value="743"/> | |
| [17:25] <vidd> someone boot fr4nk | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="handlestyle" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="autohide" value="0"/> | |
| [17:25] <fr4nk> <property name="transparency" value="20"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <property name="activetrans" value="0"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> </properties> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <items> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <item name="showdesktop" id="1"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <item name="pager" id="3"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <item name="tasklist" id="2"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> <item name="orageclock" id="12272840540"/> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> </items> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> </panel> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> </panels> | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> oO | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> xD | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> sry | |
| [17:26] <fr4nk> someone boot? | |
| [17:26] <vidd> fr4nk, did you NOT READ what i said??????? | |
| [17:26] <vidd> !pastebin |fr | |
| [17:26] <ubottu> fr: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [17:26] <vidd> !pastebin | fr4nk | |
| [17:26] <ubottu> fr4nk: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | |
| [17:27] <fr4nk> yes i am working on that, w8 a minute | |
| [17:27] <vidd> fr4nk, you almost flooded my out of the channel | |
| [17:27] <fr4nk> have problems....dunno cant paste into the text field...oO | |
| [17:28] <ashdjones> Okay thanks for your help vidd it was appreciated. | |
| [17:29] <fr4nk> omg, "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed" --> used Syntax: XML | |
| [17:29] <fr4nk> what i am doing wrong? | |
| [17:30] <vidd> you probably didnt bother to open it in a text editor like mousepad | |
| [17:31] <vidd> remove the top 2 lines.... | |
| [17:31] <fr4nk> y i did, i paste the content into the text field and clicked "Paste!" | |
| [17:31] <vidd> the <?xml.... and the <!DOC | |
| [17:31] <fr4nk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75311/ | |
| [17:31] <fr4nk> omg | |
| [17:31] <fr4nk> kk | |
| [17:32] <vidd> fr4nk, replace "orageclock" with "clock" | |
| [17:33] <vidd> line 42 | |
| [17:33] <vidd> save changes, delete saved sessions, log-out and log in | |
| [17:33] <fr4nk> kk i try | |
| [17:33] <fr4nk> brb | |
| [17:34] <ashdjones> I had a look at some other entries on that pastebin and I notice they are spam! | |
| [17:35] <vidd> ashdjones, what are you talking about>?? | |
| [17:35] <ashdjones> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75300/ | |
| [17:35] <ashdjones> It seems to me like a robot is spamming it. | |
| [17:36] <vidd> but it does no good, because no-one will ever look at that | |
| [17:36] <vidd> (except you of course!) | |
| [17:36] <ashdjones> Haha yeah, I just feel sorry for your server. | |
| [17:37] <vidd> aint MY server | |
| [17:37] <fr4nk> vidd i'am back, seems to work! | |
| [17:37] <vidd> it should | |
| [17:37] <ashdjones> I mean your as in the Ubuntu/Xubuntu community. | |
| [17:38] <fr4nk> THX | |
| [17:38] <vidd> np fr4nk | |
| [17:38] <fr4nk> sry for flooding the channel ;) | |
| [17:38] <vidd> just remember to pastebin next time =] | |
| [17:38] <fr4nk> i'll do, added to favs xD | |
| [17:38] <vidd> hehe | |
| [17:38] <ashdjones> Unless it's spam. | |
| [17:39] <vidd> bah....you can spam the pastebin all ya want | |
| [17:39] <ashdjones> Where's your pride? ;) | |
| [17:39] <fr4nk> how i can join automatic channels, if i connect to a server?? | |
| [17:39] <vidd> using xchat? | |
| [17:40] <fr4nk> i connect to ubuntu srv, an i auto join #ubuntu & #xubuntu | |
| [17:40] <vidd> fr4nk, ^^^^ | |
| [17:40] <fr4nk> yes xchat | |
| [17:40] <vidd> ok....edit the server | |
| [17:40] <vidd> enter the channels in the "autojoin" box | |
| [17:40] <fr4nk> how!? oO | |
| [17:41] <fr4nk> and where? | |
| [17:41] <vidd> do you not see the "edit" button to the right of the server list? | |
| [17:42] <fr4nk> nope | |
| [17:42] <fr4nk> do you mean favs channels? | |
| [17:42] <fr4nk> added now some | |
| [17:42] <fr4nk> brb will try again to auto join......... | |
| [17:43] <vidd> the format is #channel1,#channel2,#channel3 | |
| [17:43] <fr4nk> vidd, kk thats it :D | |
| [17:44] <vidd> ....... | |
| [17:45] <fr4nk> yeah i am a linux noob, it runs in a virtual machine on my notebook | |
| [17:45] <fr4nk> so me now afk | |
| [17:45] <fr4nk> cya later....... :> | |
| [17:47] <knome> oh hehe hi vidd | |
| [17:47] <knome> i just left when you helloed me | |
| [17:54] <vidd> knome, dint hurt...dint hurt .... =[ | |
| [17:54] <vidd> =] | |
| [17:54] <rdehler> on ibex, i keep getting this message gdm[{pid}]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X Error - Restarting :0 | |
| [17:54] <rdehler> which of course restarts my xfce session | |
| [17:54] <rdehler> any ideas on how i can troubleshoot? | |
| [17:55] <vidd> rdehler, does it let you in eventually? | |
| [17:55] <rdehler> yea i'm in | |
| [17:55] <rdehler> it's when i'm doing random tasks | |
| [17:55] <rdehler> like starting the update manager | |
| [17:55] <rdehler> never the same ones | |
| [17:56] <vidd> how is your hd space (particularly / partition) ram and swapspace? | |
| [17:57] <rdehler> i'm from a virtual console now, the xfce session keeps crashing | |
| [17:57] <rdehler> didn't happen before i upgraded to ibex =\ | |
| [17:58] <vidd> ok...so it DONT let you in eventually | |
| [17:58] <rdehler> no i'm in right now, but at some point it will crash again | |
| [17:59] <vidd> which kernel? and 64 or i386? | |
| [17:59] <rdehler> i386 2.6.20.16-generic | |
| [18:00] <vidd> 20-16????? why such a relic kernel? i thought you upgraded | |
| [18:00] <rdehler> not hte kernel =\ | |
| [18:00] <rdehler> hmm k lemme try to get the new kernel working, bbiaf | |
| [18:09] <rdehler> hmm latest kernel freezes my system | |
| [18:09] <rdehler> that's probably why i'm using legacy =\ | |
| [18:12] <vidd> rdehler, you have "custom drivers"? | |
| [18:12] <rdehler> yes | |
| [18:12] <rdehler> one for nvidia | |
| [18:12] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=861866 | |
| [18:13] <vidd> looks like II breaks your video drivers | |
| [18:13] <vidd> if you remove/rebuild them, you should be ok | |
| [18:14] <rdehler> hmm | |
| [18:14] <rdehler> i did that first thing actually | |
| [18:14] <rdehler> lemme do it again though | |
| [18:14] <vidd> remove the custome driver and re-upgrade your kernel | |
| [18:16] <rdehler> k trying that | |
| [18:16] <vidd> it might be the wacom driver and not your video though (acording to the post) | |
| [18:16] <rdehler> how do i "re-upgrade" the kernel? | |
| [18:16] <vidd> you said the new kernel froze your system..... | |
| [18:16] <rdehler> yes it does | |
| [18:16] <vidd> so you obviously logged in with the old kernel.... | |
| [18:17] <rdehler> yes | |
| [18:17] <vidd> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [new kernel] | |
| [18:17] <rdehler> k | |
| [18:17] <vidd> then clear out your custom drivers | |
| [18:18] <rdehler> giving that a try, thx | |
| [18:18] <vidd> reboot, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | |
| [18:18] * vidd had similar issues, and i backed up data and did a clean install | |
| [18:18] <fr4nk> is it possible to get tor,vidalis & privoxy for xubuntu? | |
| [18:19] <vidd> if you have a seperate /home partition, you can clean install and keep your existing /home partition | |
| [18:19] <vidd> fr4nk, yes | |
| [18:19] <vidd> tor anyway | |
| [18:19] <fr4nk> hm because i read: Do not use the packages in ubuntu's universe. They are not maintained and most likely old and therefore miss out on stability and possibly security fixes. | |
| [18:19] <fr4nk> https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian | |
| [18:19] <fr4nk> hm... | |
| [18:20] <vidd> then get the debs from there | |
| [18:20] <vidd> but dont be surprised if your ISP starts yelling at you for using tor on dial-up | |
| [18:22] <vidd> the company I work for closed out a large monthly contributer for tor-related usage | |
| [18:23] <fr4nk> where di i get Qt 4.1 or later?? | |
| [18:23] <fr4nk> or is it already installed? | |
| [18:23] <vidd> fr4nk, try to apt-get install it | |
| [18:24] <fr4nk> <-- linux noob....how? | |
| [18:24] * vidd will not assist with installing those services | |
| [18:24] <fr4nk> hmkay.... -_- | |
| [18:24] <vidd> "sudo apt-get install [package name here] | |
| [18:25] <vidd> or...use synaptic to find and install packages | |
| [18:25] <jonnyboy27> apt-get is deprecated in favour of aptitude, non? | |
| [18:25] <fr4nk> package name i dont know.....well i will search now..... | |
| [18:26] <vidd> jonnyboy27, your kidding....right? | |
| [18:26] <jonnyboy27> @vidd i thought it did better dependency management, esp wrt removing packages | |
| [18:27] * vidd would never use aptitude if he can avoid it (wich is simple since apt-get is fully functional) | |
| [18:27] <vidd> pft | |
| [18:27] <vidd> aptitude is a text-based front end for apt | |
| [18:28] <vidd> why bother with the additional overhead | |
| [18:28] <vidd> ? | |
| [18:28] <jonnyboy27> yes, but also accepts command-line arguments a la apt-get | |
| [18:28] <jonnyboy27> since etch, it's been the debian package manager of choice | |
| [18:29] <vidd> since etch....the name of the "stable" release since ...what....'03? | |
| [18:30] <vidd> the difference between apt and aptitude is aptitude uses more resources | |
| [18:30] <rdehler> vidd: k it's reinstalling 2.6.27-7-generic, but it installed the nvidia module again | |
| [18:30] <rdehler> even though i removed it | |
| [18:30] <fr4nk> how i can find out, if i have Package XY? | |
| [18:30] <vidd> fr4nk, look in synaptic | |
| [18:30] <rdehler> i think it found it in /etc/kernel/postinst.d | |
| [18:30] <rdehler> lemme move that away and try again | |
| [18:31] <vidd> if it has a green box, and something in the "installed version column, then yes you have it | |
| [18:31] <jonnyboy27> not that i want an argument, but etch is the current stable - 4.0 and was released april 07 not 03 | |
| [18:31] <vidd> jonnyboy27, etch has been etch since '03 | |
| [18:31] <vidd> regardless of what version of debian it is | |
| [18:32] <fr4nk> some packages aren't listed, for expample openSSL or libevent or zlib....so how to find out if i have zlib installed? | |
| [18:32] <vidd> etch = stable, sid = unstable | |
| [18:33] <vidd> been that way since '03, will be that way in 2899 | |
| [18:34] <vidd> i beleave the "relic" version is called lenny | |
| [18:34] <Mopman> no | |
| [18:34] <Mopman> lenny is testing | |
| [18:34] <Mopman> i dunno what you mean by relic, i assuem you mean sarge | |
| [18:34] <vidd> so etch, then lenny, then sid? | |
| [18:34] <Mopman> yes | |
| [18:34] <Mopman> and sarge is just the last etch | |
| [18:35] <vidd> and next year, this years sid will be lenny, lenny will be etch, etc | |
| [18:35] <Mopman> bonus points for getting the references :D (yeah i know its not hard, but i do think theyre clever :() | |
| [18:36] <vidd> and apt will always be my prefered package manager =] | |
| [18:36] <vidd> fr4nk, all the packages you have in your repos are listed | |
| [18:37] <Mopman> i prefer pacman tbh, although admitting that in a xubuntu official channel... erm... better get my riot gear on :D | |
| [18:37] <vidd> pacman? | |
| [18:38] <vidd> fr4nk, strange, openssl is listed in my synaptic | |
| [18:39] <vidd> fr4nk, libevent is "libevent1" in the repos | |
| [18:39] <fr4nk> if i search for it, i cant see it | |
| [18:39] <vidd> are you using that retarted "search" box? | |
| [18:40] <fr4nk> omg | |
| [18:40] <vidd> zlib is zlib1g | |
| [18:40] <fr4nk> i was @the wrong prog..my fault | |
| [18:41] <vidd> in terminal, type "sudo apt-get install libz[tab] and it will complete it for you | |
| [18:41] <vidd> (this is why i LOVE apt | |
| [18:41] <vidd> and why i HATE synaptic | |
| [18:42] <vidd> oh...and jonnyboy27 aptitude does not have tab-autocomplete.....so it is WORTHLESS in my book | |
| [18:42] <Mopman> i never knew you could tab complete package names on apt-get :/ | |
| [18:42] <Mopman> is that an ubuntu feature rather than a standard one | |
| [18:43] <Mopman> because i noticed ubuntu tells me to install packages if i forget to install git and try and git clone something :P | |
| [18:43] <vidd> so far as i know, it is ubuntu...havent touched debian since '03! | |
| [18:43] <fr4nk> hm tab doesnt autocomplete it... | |
| [18:43] <vidd> fr4nk, then tab twice | |
| [18:43] <fr4nk> i did | |
| [18:43] <vidd> it will list all the possiblities | |
| [18:44] <fr4nk> no it didnt work...dunno | |
| [18:45] <vidd> dunno fr4nk i double-tapped the [tab] key and it lists all (19x3) possibilities | |
| [18:45] <fr4nk> hmkay.......tab works fine i autocomplete foders etv but not this way | |
| [18:46] <vidd> did you type "sudo apt-get install"? | |
| [18:46] <vidd> (no quotes of course" | |
| [18:46] <fr4nk> without sudo, because i was su before | |
| [18:47] <vidd> root does not have tab-complete | |
| [18:47] <Mopman> btw | |
| [18:47] <Mopman> is there a reason you cant just use the tor package | |
| [18:47] <fr4nk> *strange* y not?? | |
| [18:48] <fr4nk> dunno, seems that i have already all packages i need to install tor | |
| [18:48] <Mopman> just install tor via apt? | |
| [18:48] <fr4nk> so i will try to install it now | |
| [18:48] <fr4nk> nope...should i try? | |
| [18:48] <Mopman> apt pulls dependencies in, you dont have to do it :P | |
| [18:48] <vidd> because working as the user root is a.) stupid, b.) dangerous c.) not the ubuntu way | |
| [18:48] <Mopman> d) often required. ;) | |
| [18:48] <fr4nk> i dont work as root | |
| [18:48] <fr4nk> onl in terminal | |
| [18:49] <fr4nk> *y | |
| [18:49] <vidd> Mopman, NEVER required....that is what sudo is for | |
| [18:49] <Mopman> what do you think you are doing when you use sudo/ | |
| [18:49] <vidd> Mopman, he isnt working with sudo....he is working as the user root | |
| [18:49] <Mopman> thats no more stupid than using sudo, though, was my point | |
| [18:49] <Mopman> unless you mean workign as root all the time when not needed | |
| [18:50] <Mopman> thats pretty daft | |
| [18:50] <vidd> fr4nk, you want tab-complete you need to sudo...not su | |
| [18:51] <vidd> the whole reason they disabled the root account password is because its a major security hole | |
| [18:51] <fr4nk> kk i'll remember from now on | |
| [18:51] <fr4nk> btw apt-get ftw :D | |
| [18:51] <Mopman> im so confused | |
| [18:52] <vidd> Mopman, why? | |
| [18:52] <Mopman> why are you manually installing dependencies, heh | |
| [18:52] <Mopman> the tor package in intrepid pulls in libevent | |
| [18:53] <vidd> becuase he doesnt understand that when you dpkg -i a package, you just sudo apt-get install -f | |
| [18:53] <vidd> and all the dependencies get installed for you | |
| [18:53] <vidd> (long live apt-get!) | |
| [18:53] <Mopman> but why use the debs from the site at all | |
| [18:53] <Mopman> the intrepid package is fully up to date | |
| [18:53] <Mopman> the warning on the site is about debian, with its 18 month release cycles or w/e | |
| [18:53] <vidd> Mopman, cuzz the ubuntu repos are broken (according to the site) | |
| [18:54] <Mopman> the site says if you are using debian sarge | |
| [18:54] <Mopman> unless im missing it | |
| [18:54] <vidd> Mopman, i wont even go to thier site to look...... | |
| [18:54] <vidd> im at work, and they have access to it blocked | |
| [18:55] <Mopman> youre right, they do say not to use ubuntu | |
| [18:55] <fr4nk> vidd, where do y come from? oO | |
| [18:55] <fr4nk> <-- germany :> | |
| [18:55] <Mopman> they do also supply a repo to add to your apt sources and use instead though | |
| [18:56] <vidd> usa | |
| [18:56] <vidd> tor=evil | |
| [18:56] <fr4nk> :D | |
| [18:56] <Mopman> tor dosent kill people, rappers do | |
| [18:57] <vidd> only useful; for criminal activity | |
| [18:57] <Mopman> haha | |
| [18:57] <Mopman> your military uses it | |
| [18:57] <fr4nk> :> | |
| [18:57] <Mopman> thats as far as im gonna go on that discussion | |
| [18:57] <vidd> like I said....... | |
| [18:57] <Mopman> hehe im glad we were on the same page there | |
| [18:58] <vidd> Mopman, the military uses it for legitimate, illegal activities | |
| [18:58] <Mopman> but im not sure id agree that tor is ONLY useful for criminal activities | |
| [18:58] <vidd> its for national security, so criminal activity is OK | |
| [18:59] <Mopman> perhaps in the USA it dosent have much use outside that, but i know id probably end up using it was i say, from a country that decided it got to control what i read on the internet | |
| [18:59] <Mopman> not mentioning any names | |
| [18:59] <vidd> what other legitimate purpose is there? | |
| [18:59] <cody-somerville> ... | |
| [18:59] <Mopman> overseas journalists are rather fond of it, vidd | |
| [19:00] <vidd> yes...so they can circumvent local laws | |
| [19:00] <vidd> (that is criminal activity) | |
| [19:00] <Mopman> uh not nessecarily | |
| [19:00] <cody-somerville> Lets take this conversation elsewhere please | |
| [19:00] <Mopman> there are other reasons why it might be a good idea to be a anonymous than "law" | |
| [19:08] <fr4nk> just want to deinstall some progs which i dont need, but the app needs unusal long time for it.... something strange out there^^ | |
| === web_know1 is now known as web_knows | |
| [19:37] <atari> hi | |
| [19:37] <atari> does anyone know how to get hotkeys (the app) working? | |
| [19:40] <vidd> atari, not exactly sure what you mean | |
| [19:40] <atari> $ hotkeys -b | |
| [19:40] <vidd> you want a specific key combination to launch an app? | |
| [19:40] <atari> : Program exiting...Locking assertion failure. Backtrace: | |
| [19:40] <atari> vidd: i want my media keys to work | |
| [19:41] <vidd> so....why not use the built-in hotkey app? | |
| [19:41] <vidd> its in the settings manager | |
| [19:41] <vidd> ah...ic y | |
| [19:41] <atari> how can i use mute/restore? | |
| [19:42] <atari> the keycoedes are working properly etc. but the dont work in the system | |
| [19:42] <vidd> your trying to launch hotkeys, wich is already launched on boot | |
| [19:42] <vidd> you can only have one hotjkeys running at a time | |
| [19:42] <atari> i have no process called hotkeys running | |
| [19:43] <vidd> atari, but you do.... | |
| [19:43] <vidd> its part of the system | |
| [19:43] <atari> i dont see any process called hotkeys with ps aux | |
| [19:43] <vidd> go into your settings manager and edit them there | |
| [19:43] <atari> just tell me: how can i do the mute/un-mute app? | |
| [19:45] <vidd> atari, SET UP THE KEYS IN SETTING MANAGER!!!!!!! | |
| [19:45] <atari> keyboard->shortcuts ? | |
| [19:45] <atari> there? | |
| [19:45] <vidd> or...simply add the volume manager to your panel | |
| [19:46] <atari> i have a wheel on my keyboard to manage the loudness... i'd like to use that one | |
| [19:46] <vidd> good luck with that | |
| [19:46] <atari> the only problem is the mute/un-mute part | |
| [19:46] <vidd> do you have the volume manager app on your panel? | |
| [19:46] <atari> yes i do | |
| [19:46] <vidd> and it dont work? | |
| [19:47] <vidd> what kind of keyboard? | |
| [19:47] <atari> the volume app is working. louder and less loud with the keyboard wheel is working too. the mute part would work as well. but i want to restore the loudness when i hit the mute button a second time | |
| [19:47] <Odd-rationale> atari: so you have a wheel on your keyboard you want to use to control your volume? | |
| [19:47] <atari> so i'm looking for the script name which does it normally | |
| [19:48] <atari> Odd-rationale: that's working as i added aumix for xf86audiolower/raisevolume | |
| [19:48] <atari> vidd: on the back i just says: logitech cordless keyboard | |
| [19:48] <atari> s/i/it | |
| [19:49] * vidd didnt have to add anything but the panel app to get this stuff to work | |
| [19:49] <Hikefu> so you're just trying to add a key combo to mute? | |
| [19:49] <atari> no | |
| [19:50] <atari> that's what i just did for the volume | |
| [19:50] <Hikefu> then what exactly are you trying to do? | |
| [19:50] <atari> i want to mute if i press once. and i want the sound to get b ack to its volume selected before, when i press the mute button again | |
| [19:50] <vidd> atari, so you added the stuff for the mute BEFORE you added the panel app? | |
| [19:51] <atari> vidd: "stuff"? | |
| [19:51] <atari> vidd: i just took my old home dir | |
| [19:51] <vidd> that's working as i added aumix for xf86audiolower/raisevolume | |
| [19:51] <vidd> that "stuff" | |
| [19:51] <Hikefu> I'm not sure about the mute buttonn, but amixer -q set Master mute or amixer -q set Master unmute should work if you make a key combo. | |
| [19:51] <atari> vidd: because i already had a config in my home i needed to add them manually | |
| [19:52] <vidd> did you add that "stuff" BEFORE or AFTER you added the panel app | |
| [19:52] <atari> Hikefu: but how to call them on the same key? | |
| [19:52] <vidd> did you add that "stuff" BEFORE or AFTER you added the panel app atari | |
| [19:52] <atari> vidd: after as i already had it on my old system | |
| [19:52] <Hikefu> atari, I'm not sure. Does it matter? | |
| [19:53] <atari> Hikefu: | |
| [19:53] <vidd> the panel app should enable those keys and functions automatically | |
| [19:53] <atari> Hikefu: afaik you can only specify one app to a key | |
| [19:53] <vidd> you should not have to add anything at all | |
| [19:54] <Hikefu> atari, so make something lie ctrl-alt-up and ctrl-alt-down or something to mute/unmute | |
| [19:54] <Hikefu> that's what i do in openbox | |
| [19:54] <Odd-rationale> atari: you can create a script that if the volume is mute, then unmut. and if it is unmute, then mute. | |
| [19:54] <atari> i have a special mute key. which worked very well with hotkeys on debian etch. that's the why | |
| [19:55] <vidd> atari, first, try letting the panel app do the job | |
| [19:55] <vidd> since your "already there in the config when i installed" stuff is preventing it from working properly | |
| [19:55] <nat2610> is Xfce lighter than gnome ? I m trying to find out what's the best distribution for my umpc | |
| [19:56] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: yes. xfce by itself, it lighter than gnome. | |
| [19:56] <Hikefu> yes sir it is | |
| [19:56] <atari> vidd: so logout. mv .config .config.old and login again should get it working? | |
| [19:57] <nat2610> when you say by itselft does it means that at the end, it won't be that light ? | |
| [19:57] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: well, firefox and the like will always be a resource hog... | |
| [19:57] <Odd-rationale> the desktop environment itself, however, is defintely lighter... | |
| [19:57] <nat2610> Odd-rationale, yeah but that would be a common issue to any distro ... I guess I can switch to opera it it's too slow | |
| [19:58] <vidd> atari, yes *should* | |
| [19:58] <Odd-rationale> nat2610: correct, or epiphany, midori, etc. | |
| [19:58] <vidd> id do this before beating your head against the wall =] | |
| [19:58] <vidd> if this doenst work, buy a helmet ! | |
| [19:58] <vidd> =] | |
| [19:59] <atari> vidd: i already have one :P | |
| [19:59] <atari> vidd: lets try it out | |
| [20:00] <nat2610> ok ... that's gonna be my side project for the day :) ... does anybody have a umpc running xubuntu on this chan ? | |
| [20:00] <vidd> atari, good luck | |
| [20:01] <atari> vidd: the mute is working but not the un-mute | |
| [20:03] <vidd> strange | |
| [20:03] <atari> actually if i look at the shorcut section i know why un-mute isnt working... | |
| [20:03] <atari> as for mute there is aumix -v0 | |
| [20:03] <atari> that's it. so un-mute can not work | |
| [20:03] * vidd is going home | |
| [20:04] <Odd-rationale> atari: do you want to mute Master? | |
| [20:04] <atari> Odd-rationale: i dont care which exact channel... as long as it mutes and un-mutes | |
| [20:05] <Odd-rationale> atari: k can you pastebin the output of `amixer get Master` | |
| [20:05] <atari> Odd-rationale: Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined | |
| [20:05] <atari> Odd-rationale: you need that one? | |
| [20:06] <Odd-rationale> yeah... the whole thing in a pastebin | |
| [20:11] <atari> http://nopaste.syscp.org/333 | |
| [20:13] <Odd-rationale> atari: hmm. ok. do you know shell scripting? i think i can hack up a quick script that will do the trick for you... | |
| [20:13] <atari> Odd-rationale: i could do it by myself. thats not the need... | |
| [20:13] <atari> Odd-rationale: but damn... on etch i had hotkeys which did the job very well... | |
| [20:15] <Odd-rationale> atari: obviously, aumix -v0 will not do the trick... | |
| [20:16] <Odd-rationale> why not just find out what command etch used? | |
| [20:16] <atari> Odd-rationale: do you know hotkeys? (the daemon) | |
| [20:16] <Odd-rationale> no | |
| [20:16] <atari> Odd-rationale: on just used "hotkeys" | |
| [20:16] <atari> but hotkeys -b -L7 -Z | |
| [20:16] <atari> Segmentation fault | |
| [20:16] <atari> that's what i get on ubuntu | |
| [20:17] <atari> hotkeys had nice OSD support and all that stuff | |
| [20:18] <Odd-rationale> never heard of hotkeys... | |
| [20:20] <atari> its really great | |
| [20:20] <atari> at least in my oppinion ;) | |
| [20:20] <Odd-rationale> !info hotkeys | |
| [20:20] <ubottu> hotkeys (source: hotkeys): A hotkeys daemon for your Internet/multimedia keyboard in X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7.4-0.1 (intrepid), package size 142 kB, installed size 384 kB | |
| [20:22] <atari> http://nopaste.syscp.org/334 | |
| [20:22] <dcolish> hotkeys has very limited support for keyboards. it should be keyboard agnostic | |
| [20:22] <atari> that's the output i get | |
| [20:23] <atari> dcolish: sure. but the sound part of it is really great | |
| [20:23] <dcolish> ok | |
| [20:24] <dcolish> but it doesnt work with my keyboard anyway | |
| [20:24] <fr4nk> how i can install *deb Packages? | |
| [20:24] <atari> it works with every keyboard which supports normal key codes | |
| [20:24] <atari> fr4nk: dpkg -i <file>.deb | |
| [20:24] <fr4nk> thx^^ | |
| [20:24] <atari> np | |
| [20:24] <Hikefu> sudo dpkg -i <file>.deb | |
| [20:26] <dcolish> atari: i take it back, i can define support with an xml config file | |
| [20:26] <atari> dcolish: yeah ;) | |
| [20:26] <atari> dcolish: it needs some time to setup. but once its working.... wow :) | |
| [20:27] <jonnyboy27> you can also use gdebi if you prefer the graphical approach to installing packages | |
| [20:27] <dcolish> atari: how is this better than xmodmap? or any of the other xfce key mapping? | |
| [20:27] <fr4nk> is it also possible to install rpm packages under ubuntu? | |
| [20:28] <dcolish> fr4nk: yeah if you install rpm | |
| [20:28] <Hikefu> !alien | |
| [20:28] <ubottu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous and unsupported) | |
| [20:28] <dcolish> but why woudl you want to | |
| [20:28] <atari> dcolish: the coolest feature is the OSD of what it's doing if you enable it ;) | |
| [20:28] <fr4nk> to install java runtime env for FF | |
| [20:29] <fr4nk> i did t per hand but maybe there is a more comfortable way | |
| [20:29] <dcolish> fr4nk: uh java doesn't require rpms. maybe i am missing the point? | |
| [20:29] <cody-somerville> !java | |
| [20:29] <ubottu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository | |
| [20:29] <Hikefu> sudo apt-get install xubunxu-extras gets you set up with flash, java, and some other useful things | |
| [20:29] <Hikefu> xubuntu-extras | |
| [20:29] <fr4nk> ok i'll try this | |
| [20:29] <dcolish> Hikefu: that give you gjc i think? | |
| [20:30] <dcolish> !xubuntu-extras | |
| [20:30] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xubuntu-extras | |
| [20:30] <Hikefu> oh, yeah, and I forget I need sun-java5 | |
| [20:30] <Hikefu> to play pogo games | |
| [20:30] <dcolish> or run eclipse, netbeans or anything decent | |
| [20:31] <Hikefu> but you I install the extras then sun java5 and then sudo update-alternatives --config java to get it straight | |
| [20:31] <dcolish> Hikefu: I find it much easier to use the sun binary installer and just set my java home, jrockit is good too | |
| [20:33] <Hikefu> Yeah, I suppose that's not a bad idea. I can't wait until there is a 64 bit java plugin. These work arounds are driving me insane and keeping in 32 bit land. | |
| [20:33] <Hikefu> !jrockit | |
| [20:33] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jrockit | |
| [20:34] <dcolish> there is 64 java if you dont use apt | |
| [20:34] <dcolish> jrockit is only available from oracle | |
| [20:36] <Hikefu> dcolish, I think the plugin isn't complete somehow. It mostly works, but I play a lot of chess on pogo and it doesn't work properly. | |
| [20:36] <Hikefu> I can load game rooms, but get blank screens. | |
| [20:36] <Hikefu> Sun java 5 plugin 32 bit is the only one that works | |
| [20:37] <dcolish> Hikefu: are you talking about browser plugins? | |
| [20:37] <Hikefu> Perhaps it's the plugin, not the java version itself | |
| [20:37] <Hikefu> Yes | |
| [20:38] <dcolish> ah, yeah thats going to be different | |
| [20:38] <dcolish> i know fedora just included the icedtea browser plugin, wonder if ubuntu has done the same | |
| [20:39] <dcolish> !icedtea | |
| [20:39] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icedtea | |
| [20:40] <Hikefu> i think so. i was thinking of just using the most current java and making a script that sets sun java 5 plugin when i open epiphany. i only use it to play chess, so I could switch the java version, open browser, and then have it reset. | |
| [20:40] <Hikefu> otherwise, i'm on firefox | |
| [20:40] <dcolish> its there, let me find the package | |
| [20:41] <dcolish> !icedtea-gcjwebplugin | |
| [20:41] <ubottu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | |
| [20:41] <Hikefu> i see iced-tea6 and the gcjwebplugin | |
| [20:41] <dcolish> well thats the plugin, looks experimental at best | |
| [20:41] <Hikefu> icedtea6 | |
| [20:41] <dcolish> there should be an icedtea7 floating around somewhere | |
| [20:41] <Hikefu> okay. i'll keep an eye on it in the future. | |
| [21:00] <fr4nk> my file manager doesnt respond....what can i do now? | |
| [21:00] <fr4nk> xubuntu works under a vmware | |
| [21:00] <fr4nk> normal installation | |
| [21:00] <fr4nk> 5gb hdd | |
| [21:00] <fr4nk> 512MB ram | |
| === tuna-fish is now known as tuna | |
| [22:33] <Justinm91> I have documentation of a problem I have, I just have no idea what to do. Can anyone offer me some help? | |
| [22:34] <dcolish> whats the issue | |
| [22:34] <Justinm91> Note I have Intreped Ibex, not the OS listed here: | |
| [22:34] <Justinm91> Ah, my wireless card reader is not picking up my card | |
| [22:34] <Justinm91> http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2003-June/003270.html | |
| [22:36] <Justinm91> And it seems someone is having a simmilar problem on the forums | |
| [22:36] <Justinm91> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=959313 | |
| [22:37] <knome> "wireless card reader" ? | |
| [22:38] <Justinm91> erm, dunno exactly what to call it | |
| [22:38] <knome> pc card reader? | |
| [22:39] <Justinm91> Guess that would be it... | |
| [22:40] <knome> Justinm91, i have no experiences with those, but somebody might. just hang around and hopefully somebody will turn out. you can also ask #ubuntu meanwhile, because this is not xubuntu specific. | |
| [22:41] <vasileios> What are the minimum system requirements for Xubuntu? like cpu and ram? | |
| [22:43] <zoredache_> 192MB of ram is required to install with the livecd. The cpu could be a 600 mhz or better | |
| [22:44] <knome> vasileios, you can expect slow performance with 192MB ram though.. | |
| [22:44] <Shaba1> hey if it runs on my ancient AMD 1300 256mb ram laptop it will run on anything | |
| [22:44] <zoredache_> Having enough ram will make a biggere difference then slower processor | |
| === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache | |
| [22:44] <vasileios> Thanks! | |
| [22:44] <Shaba1> I know zoredache | |
| [22:44] <Shaba1> unfortunately my landlord likes his rent on a regular basis. | |
| [22:45] <zoredache> you could always give up eating... | |
| [22:45] <Shaba1> been there done that | |
| [22:45] <Shaba1> :) | |
| [22:46] <Shaba1> It was no fun | |
| [23:03] <granjero> hi | |
| [23:03] <granjero> i m in a live session tryying to read my ntfs partitions | |
| [23:03] <granjero> i m too newbie ando i don t know the command | |
| [23:04] <zoredache> !ntfs-3g | |
| [23:04] <granjero> and my english is a bit rusty | |
| [23:04] <ubottu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions | |
| [23:04] <knome> zoredache, damn you were faster ;) | |
| [23:04] <granjero> tnx ubottu | |
| [23:05] <granjero> i run ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho Creando árbol de dependencias Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho ntfs-3g ya está en su versión más reciente. 0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 1 no actualizados. | |
| [23:06] <granjero> ls -l should list all my drives | |
| [23:06] <granjero> dont t it? | |
| [23:09] <knome> granjero, nope, it shows the contents of a folder + permissions. | |
| [23:09] <granjero> wich is the command? | |
| [23:09] <granjero> knome: how can i see the ntfs partition? | |
| [23:09] <knome> mount shows mounted partitions. | |
| === dcolish is now known as Guest11650 | |
| [23:11] <granjero> sorry i don understand where is i | |
| [23:11] <granjero> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ mount proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) tmpfs on /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755) varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) devshm on /dev/shm ty | |
| [23:12] <granjero> sorry iĺl paste it in pastebin | |
| [23:12] <granjero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/75437/ | |
| [23:15] <knome> granjero, did you read this page? -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G | |
| [23:28] <granjero> thanx knome | |