| [09:11] <evand> superm1: your patches will be in there | |
| [09:29] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r995 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu2 | |
| [11:32] <davmor2> cjwatson: I just tried an alternate install and it failed :( | |
| [11:34] <davmor2> logs are at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install | |
| [11:36] <cjwatson> davmor2: yes, reported last night, already being fixed, thanks | |
| [11:36] <cjwatson> davmor2: bug 300426 | |
| [11:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 300426 in udev "alt-install /dev fails to mount" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300426 | |
| [11:37] <davmor2> cjwatson: Cool :) I'll try again sunday :) | |
| [11:40] <cjwatson> should have fixed images in an hour or two | |
| [11:40] <davmor2> Oh cool you're going to reroll then :) | |
| [11:40] <cjwatson> yes | |
| [11:40] <cjwatson> under pressure to get alpha-1 done | |
| [11:40] <davmor2> if you give me a ping I'll dl it and test :) | |
| [11:42] <cjwatson> will do | |
| [11:43] <davmor2> cjwatson: What's happening about Live-fs? Is that being dropped for now or will that be fixed too? | |
| [11:45] <cjwatson> not for a1 | |
| [11:45] <davmor2> Okay cool thought that might be the case but thought I'd better check :) | |
| [11:50] <cjwatson> ubiquity isn't ready yet anyway | |
| [12:12] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r996 ubuntu/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | |
| [12:12] <CIA-2> debian-installer: Require mouse-modules again on lpia and powerpc. rootskel-gtk depends on | |
| [12:12] <CIA-2> debian-installer: it anyway, so we might as well just fail to build until linux-lpia and | |
| [12:12] <CIA-2> debian-installer: linux-ports are updated. | |
| [12:15] <cjwatson> davmor2: up now | |
| [12:15] <cjwatson> amd64 is fractionally oversized, but I'm not going to worry about it since the new mono will shave off a good chunk once it lands | |
| [12:22] <davmor2> np's thanks | |
| [12:23] <cjwatson> I really wish my mirror would get on with it so that I could use jigdo rather than rsync for this | |
| [12:23] <cjwatson> I mean, like I care about nvidia drivers | |
| [12:52] <evand> It occurs to me that we never tested wubi on USB disks. | |
| [12:55] <evand> ah, if I'm reading the NSIS code correctly, it looks like it would still work without issue. | |
| [12:55] <evand> davmor2: xivulon Do you have a USB disk and some free time :) ? | |
| [12:56] <davmor2> I do but I want to test the cd's first I can look at usb later though | |
| [12:57] <evand> ok, thanks | |
| [13:33] <kirkland> cjwatson: one more issue i need to get your take on, regarding encrypting $HOME ... | |
| [13:33] <kirkland> cjwatson: i need a place to store $USER/.ecryptfs that I can ensure won't be encrypted | |
| [13:33] <kirkland> cjwatson: i have two ideas .... | |
| [13:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: I want to avoid having /home/$USER and /home/.$USER, as it sounds like you didn't like that idea much | |
| [13:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: that's okay, i've worked around it | |
| [13:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: but, i do think I'll need to put $HOME/.ecryptfs somewhere | |
| [13:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: and I'm thinking /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | |
| [13:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: that directory being perm'd 700, owned by $USER:$USER | |
| [13:36] <kirkland> cjwatson: kees and jdstrand didn't like the idea of making /var/lib/ecryptfs itself be 777 | |
| [13:36] <soren> kirkland: Yikes! No, I can understand that :) | |
| [13:36] <kirkland> cjwatson: what do you think about me patching either useradd or adduser to create and chown /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER on user creation? | |
| [13:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: just in the case where they want to encrypt all of $HOME | |
| [13:37] * soren has always dreamed that adduser some day would grow a plugin system for that sort of thing.. | |
| [13:37] <kirkland> cjwatson: and if they want to just encrypt $PRIVATE (or some other location less than $HOME), .ecryptfs stays in $HOME | |
| [13:37] <kirkland> soren: "what" sort of thing? | |
| [13:38] <soren> kirkland: Stuff that should happen on user creation. | |
| [13:38] <soren> kirkland: ...that might not always be wanted. | |
| [13:38] <soren> kirkland: People who don't want to use ecryptfs at all won't want this to happen. | |
| [13:38] <kirkland> soren: sure | |
| [13:39] <soren> Another use case is about adding users to samba then they're added to passwd as well. | |
| [13:39] <persia> kirkland, Why special-case it? If you're going to use /var/lib/$USER, it makes sense to use that for any class of ecryptfs user. I don't have an opinion on whether it's a good idea, but I'd prefer consistency. | |
| [13:39] <soren> (that's where I originally got the idea) | |
| [13:39] <persia> Er.. /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | |
| [13:40] <kirkland> persia: current 'ecryptfs-setup-private' is something that any user can do, non-privileged | |
| [13:40] <soren> Personally, I don't like having $HOME essentially split between /home and /var. | |
| [13:40] <kirkland> persia: mkdir /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER would be a privileged operation | |
| [13:40] <soren> For the same reason, I put my users' maildirs in their home directory. | |
| [13:40] <kirkland> soren: i don't like it either | |
| [13:40] <cjwatson> adduser already has a plugin system | |
| [13:41] <kirkland> soren: but if a user chooses to encrypt all of $HOME | |
| [13:41] <cjwatson> adduser.local or whatever it's called | |
| [13:41] <soren> cjwatson: Oh. Is that a recent addition? | |
| [13:41] <cjwatson> no | |
| [13:41] <kirkland> soren: i need somewhere to put their configuration information that can be read prior to $HOME being mounted | |
| [13:41] <cjwatson> I've been using it since at least 2001 or so | |
| [13:41] <cjwatson> however, it's intended for use by the sysadmin not by the distro | |
| [13:42] <cjwatson> kirkland: I don't have a problem with patching adduser provided that we don't break in the event that the sysadmin used useradd | |
| [13:42] <cjwatson> (as in, we degrade gracefully) | |
| [13:42] <soren> cjwatson: Ah, that sort of thing. Truth be told, I didn't know about that, but I was thinkgin more along hte lines of a directory of scripts to be called by adduser. That way, packages could add scripts there that would be called. It's a bit hard to do that with the .local thing. | |
| [13:42] <soren> Man, my typing is horrible today. | |
| [13:43] <cjwatson> kirkland: however it sounds like you and soren have some talking-out of this to do | |
| [13:43] <cjwatson> kirkland: I'm a bit too distracted by other things to think about it properly ... | |
| [13:43] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, no worries | |
| [13:43] <cjwatson> kirkland: also, you could put it in /home/$USER and then just overmount it; the trick would be dealing with syncing it back on umount | |
| [13:43] <soren> kirkland: I only joined this discussion now... Why are we putting stuff in /var that we both think belongs in /home? :) | |
| [13:44] <cjwatson> kirkland: (or some similar kind of invention) | |
| [13:44] <kirkland> soren: your .ecryptfs directory contains configuration data | |
| [13:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: hmm, i've been trying various ways of doing that | |
| [13:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: and they're breaking when a user, say, changes their password | |
| [13:44] * persia likes the overmount suggestion | |
| [13:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: which has to re-write .ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase | |
| [13:45] <kirkland> cjwatson: which goes through the ecryptfs kernel encryption | |
| [13:45] <cjwatson> understood | |
| [13:45] <kirkland> cjwatson: and the next time the user logs in, it's not readable (yet) | |
| [13:45] <kirkland> chicken -> meet egg | |
| [13:45] <persia> kirkland, Maybe use a union mount to remount the .ecryptfs directory on top of the unencrypted $HOME ? | |
| [13:45] <cjwatson> I don't particularly mind /home/.user. It's not very aesthetically pleasing but it would work | |
| [13:45] <cjwatson> but /var is fine by me too | |
| [13:46] <soren> I don't like the aesthetics of it either. | |
| [13:46] <cjwatson> whatever, argue it among yourselves :-) | |
| [13:46] <soren> Why make it a hidden directory? That just seems odd. | |
| [13:47] <kirkland> persia: what's the syntax of a union mount? | |
| [13:47] <kirkland> persia: i can go try that | |
| [13:47] <soren> /home/$USER.ecrypts wouldn't look very pretty either, though. | |
| [13:48] * persia goes to refresh knowledge of the documentation. | |
| [13:48] <persia> Also, is this the right channel? Should this be -devel or -server or something? | |
| [13:50] <kirkland> persia: we can move ... this conversation was originally intended to have an -installer flair and involve primarily cjwatson | |
| [13:50] <kirkland> persia: -devel is fine | |
| [13:51] <persia> kirkland, Right. The beginning seemed well targeted. "whatever, argue it among yourselves :-)" makes me think we should go elsewhere :) | |
| [13:51] <cjwatson> well, I just wanted to say that I don't feel strongly about it from an installer POV | |
| [13:51] <kirkland> cjwatson: thx. | |
| [13:51] <kirkland> persia: agreed. | |
| [13:52] <cjwatson> I think there's a useful discussion to be had on the placement, and don't want to prejudge that | |
| [13:52] <cjwatson> the other possibility is a small set-id thing that creates /var/lib/ecryptfs/$USER | |
| [13:52] <cjwatson> i.e. say that any user has the right to create a directory by their name there | |
| [13:53] <cjwatson> think about how that interacts with quotas (hopefully not much) | |
| [13:53] <cjwatson> but that doesn't seem a particularly unreasonable thing to do | |
| [14:09] <davmor2> cjwatson: fix seems to be working so far, it got past where it was anyway :) | |
| [14:34] <cjwatson> it's working for me | |
| [14:47] <davmor2> cjwatson: Has it gone all the way through? | |
| [14:48] <cjwatson> yes | |
| [14:48] <cjwatson> freecell's up now :) | |
| [14:49] <davmor2> meh I might have hd issues then wipe and try again :) | |
| [15:17] <cr3> cjwatson: ping, have you had an opportunity to upload the netboot image for the kernel in -proposed? just checking with you in case I'm looking at the wrong place in the archive | |
| [15:20] <cjwatson> no, not yet sorry | |
| [15:24] <cr3> cjwatson: no problem, I was worried for a moment that I might not be looking at the right place | |
| [15:28] <davmor2> cjwatson: Something is not right here at all. I dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda the drive and now all I get is a flashing cursor top left :( | |
| [15:30] <cr3> davmor2: that's weird, shouldn't you get some error from the bios saying that the device is not bootable? | |
| [15:32] <davmor2> cr3: I reinstalled Jaunty sorry not very clear | |
| [15:32] <cjwatson> cr3: I'll try to remember to explicitly tell you once it's in | |
| [15:34] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r997 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make serial-modules optional on ia64; it's currently built-in. | |
| [15:35] <cjwatson> davmor2: hmm, I really don't know at this point - all I can say is it's working for me :( | |
| [15:35] <cjwatson> davmor2: that symptom sounds like the kernel isn't making it up | |
| [15:35] <davmor2> I'm not entirely convinced grub is I'm just checking it now | |
| [15:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'm trying it on my other test system incase it's an issue with hw I'll ping you in a bit and let you know | |
| [15:42] <davmor2> running in vm too just to tripple check | |
| [15:47] <cr3> cjwatson: hopefully, you won't have to remember for long, I'm spending my spare time automating detection of changes on archive.u.c | |
| [16:03] <cr3> cjwatson: by the way, thanks for the installer fix. I noticed some test results trickling in automatically for 20081121.1 | |
| [16:04] <cjwatson> oh, no problem | |
| [16:04] <cjwatson> I'm pushing a bzr branch up for intrepid-proposed, just taking a while | |
| [16:11] <davmor2> cjwatson: definitely a weird ass thing going on here. On the other install I had already got kubuntu intrepid. After trying to install jaunty I now get Grub loading please wait Error 17 | |
| [16:12] <davmor2> So that is 2 sets of hw not working | |
| [16:14] <davmor2> cjwatson: vm hanging too | |
| [16:14] <davmor2> and that is from the iso | |
| [16:16] <davmor2> cjwatson: Cd burn and iso both match md5sums with the image md5sum | |
| [16:17] <cjwatson> phone. | |
| [16:18] <cjwatson> 17 : Cannot mount selected partition | |
| [16:18] <cjwatson> This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the | |
| [16:18] <cjwatson> filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB. | |
| [16:19] <cjwatson> davmor2: what partitioning method did you use? were you starting from a blank disk? | |
| [16:19] <davmor2> cjwatson: I am guessing that the grub is the old grub from the kubuntu install I'll check | |
| [16:20] <davmor2> whole disk | |
| [16:20] <cjwatson> why would the grub be the old grub from the Kubuntu install? | |
| [16:21] <cjwatson> the normal behaviour is for grub to be reinstalled, unless you overrode that manually | |
| [16:21] <davmor2> no I didn't override at all | |
| [16:22] <davmor2> cjwatson: Does any of grub get installed to mbr? | |
| [16:24] <cjwatson> yes | |
| [16:24] <cjwatson> grub installs its first stage to the mbr | |
| [16:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: I've pulled a copy of mbr using dd should it read gibberish? | |
| [16:32] <cjwatson> gibberish to you ;-) | |
| [16:33] <cjwatson> it should not be human-readable, if that's what you mean | |
| [16:33] <davmor2> cjwatson: bin file yes | |
| [16:36] <cjwatson> davmor2: 'od -Ax -tx1 -N512 /dev/sda' please? | |
| [16:36] <cjwatson> (somewhat easier to handle than dd) | |
| [19:33] <davmor2> cjwatson: you around still sorry I had to go out I hadn't clocked the time | |
| [19:38] <davmor2> cjwatson: When you get chance http://www.davmor2.co.uk/mymbr is the file created from od -Ax -tx1 -N512 /dev/sda | |
| [19:53] <CarlFK> is there something like /etc/foo that has ibex/jaunty in it? | |
| [19:54] <CarlFK> /etc/lsb-base/ | |
| [19:55] <cjwatson> CarlFK: lsb_release -cs | |
| [19:55] <CarlFK> thanks | |
| [20:02] <CarlFK> in the installer: ~ # echo|sed 'aA\nB' | |
| [20:02] <CarlFK> AnB | |
| [20:05] <cjwatson> yes. that isn't portable. | |
| [20:05] <cjwatson> -> POSIX | |
| [20:05] <CarlFK> rats. so how do I get a \n? | |
| [20:05] <cjwatson> echo | sed 'aA\ | |
| [20:05] <cjwatson> B' | |
| [20:06] <cjwatson> or something along those lines | |
| [20:06] <cjwatson> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/sed.html | |
| [20:06] <CarlFK> thaks - ill figure it out | |
| [20:59] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r760 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | |
| [21:03] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r761 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu2 | |
| [21:06] <CIA-2> base-installer: cjwatson * r338 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog library.sh): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | |
| [21:07] <CIA-2> base-installer: cjwatson * r339 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.86ubuntu8 | |
| [21:09] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r762 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog isinstallable): Nail another instance of dmraid output-checking. | |
| [21:10] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu3 | |
| [21:11] <CIA-2> os-prober: cjwatson * r224 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog os-prober): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | |
| [21:12] <CIA-2> os-prober: cjwatson * r225 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.28ubuntu2 | |
| [21:13] <CIA-2> partman-base: cjwatson * r116 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/base.sh): 'dmraid -c -s' changed its output format; cope with both old and new. | |
| [21:14] <CIA-2> partman-base: cjwatson * r117 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 128ubuntu2 | |
| [22:15] <CIA-2> hw-detect: cjwatson * r96 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog discover-mac-io.sh): | |
| [22:15] <CIA-2> hw-detect: Reinstate snd-powermac for i2s-a devices since apparently the lock-up | |
| [22:15] <CIA-2> hw-detect: has been fixed (LP: #87652). | |
| [23:06] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r984 debian-installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-8 kernels. | |
| [23:06] <cjwatson> (that was intrepid-proposed branch, silly cia) | |
| [23:09] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r985 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu24 | |
| [23:53] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog otheros.sh): Fix syntax error in otheros.sh. | |
| [23:54] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r765 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu4 | |