2008/11/20/#xubuntu.txt

[00:09] <l_r> is there a live version of xubuntu for usb? (I am not asking about installing xubuntu from a cd to usb)
[00:27] <Gazali>  while installing debianxfce, i didnot formatted the old home partition of xubuntu, now is there a way to get rid of the configuration left from xubuntu?
[00:27] <vidd> Gazali, sure.....
[00:28] <Gazali> how
[00:28] <vidd> Gazali, delete the .conf folder in your home directory, log out and back in again
[00:28] <Gazali> allright
[00:28] <Gazali> thanks
[00:29] <vidd> when you log back in, the default .conf folder will be written automatically
[00:29] <Gazali> well is it hidden
[00:29] <vidd> infact, you can delete all the .[folders]
[00:30] <vidd> the only hidden files you need are:
[00:31] <vidd> .bashrc, .bash_history, .bashlogout, and .Xauthority
[00:32] <vidd> (so far as i know
[00:32] <Gazali> ok do i need to keep any of the files under /home
[00:32] <vidd> just the ones i stated
[00:33] <Gazali> ok
[00:37] <Gazali> thank you very much vidd
[00:37] <Gazali> everythings fien now
[00:37] <Gazali> fine\
[00:38] <vidd> =]
[00:38] <vidd> simple stuff
[00:38] <Gazali> ok 1 more thing
[00:38] <Gazali> you may help me
[00:38] <vidd> ask away
[00:38] <Gazali> i have this useless debian folder in xfces "start menu"
[00:38] <Gazali> :D
[00:38] <Gazali> how do i get rid of it
[00:39] <vidd> what is in the folder?
[00:39] <Gazali> almost everything is duplicated
[00:40] <vidd> dunno....sounds like a debian thing
[00:40] <Gazali> there 4 folders under it one of em is applications and it has all the apps.
[00:40] <Gazali> i just want to delete it from the menu
[00:40] <Gazali> if possible
[00:40] <Gazali> of course
[00:41] <TheSheep> you would have to delete all of its content...
[00:41] <vidd> can you paste a screenshot somewhere so i know what your talking about?
[00:41] <Gazali> allright
[00:42] <Gazali> erm how do i take the screenshot :D
[00:42] <vidd> ummmm dunno =]
[00:43] <Gazali> ok i managed
[00:46] <Gazali> http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzk0.png
[00:49] <Gazali> http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8418/screenshotzk0.png
[00:53] <binarymutant> Gazali, how'd you do it? I use imagemagick and/or scrot
[00:53] <Blunted88> im having issues with my repositories, im running xubuntu 8.04. what repositories should i have listed in synaptic?
[00:53] <binarymutant> Blunted88, pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
[00:54] <Gazali> binarymutant screenshooter plugin (panel)
[00:55] <Blunted88> how do i do that?
[00:55] <binarymutant> never used it but sounds cool Gazali
[00:55] <b4|hraban> hmm I have some trouble installing xubuntu on a small (eee-like) laptop
[00:55] <binarymutant> Blunted88, mousepad /etc/apt/source.list to pastebin.com
[00:55] <b4|hraban> I used unetbootin to load the 8.10 netinstaller on a usb stick and installed xubuntu on that same stick after booting from it
[00:56] <b4|hraban> but after installation it won't boot, the BIOS acts as if the device is not bootable at all. so I figured I'd try to install a bootloader on it from my main computer (mandriva), which half-worked; it now does load grub but I immediately get "error 25"
[00:57] <b4|hraban> internet says it's a 25 : Disk read error\nThis error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk.
[00:57] <Blunted88> mouse pad? im sory binary
[00:58] <b4|hraban> I don't think it's even trying to access the menu.lst file, but I might be wrong... I have very little experience with grub, especially none with the command line tools needed to modify it, so... I hope somebody can help :/
[00:58] <binarymutant> Blunted88, you have xfce?
[00:58] <Blunted88> yes
[00:58] <binarymutant> Blunted88, mousepad should be installed with it, I might be wrong though, it's a word processor
[00:59] <Gazali> b4|hraban i once installed xubuntu on a usb hard drive but after 4-5 boot it did not again then i give up
[00:59] <Blunted88> ok
[00:59] <b4|hraban> ok.. ehh... that's... reassuring :P
[00:59] <binarymutant> Blunted88, and your just copy pasting /etc/apt/source.list into pastebin.com
[00:59] <Gazali> if i were you id install grub on a real hd
[00:59] <binarymutant> err /etc/apt/sources.list ** sorry Blunted88
[01:00] <b4|hraban> Gazali, I can't, the "real" hd is soaked
[01:00] <Blunted88> k its on there under blunted88
[01:00] <b4|hraban> it's a long story but it involves magnets
[01:00] <Gazali> i see
[01:00] <binarymutant> whats the url Blunted88
[01:00] <Gazali> may be you can use a cd to boot :D
[01:00] <Blunted88> http://pastebin.com/df752ed1
[01:00] <b4|hraban> Gazali, there is no CD bay
[01:01] <b4|hraban> it's too small (as I said, eee-pc like)
[01:01] <b4|hraban> besides, I know this works, unetbootin makes it work, why can't I... :/
[01:01] <Gazali> ok then you should get a usb drive with write protection ^^
[01:01] <binarymutant> Blunted88, looks right, whats the problem?
[01:02] <b4|hraban> Gazali, how will that help...?
[01:02] <binarymutant> you have a lot of entries though, it might be slow to update
[01:02] <Gazali> i believe either at startup or at shotdown, mbr of usb drive goes bad
[01:03] <binarymutant> wow i've got a lot of entries too...they are the same though
[01:04] <Blunted88> when i run update manager it tells me that one of the repositories is out dated, maybe its just talking about the update it was attempting
[01:05] <binarymutant> I thought hardy was still supported...
[01:06] <DaveDixonII> Why is it that only my terminal wobbles a littlebit and no other window?
[01:10] <b4|hraban> woo!
[01:10] <b4|hraban> grub command line isn't so bad after all..
[01:10] <b4|hraban> I installed xyzzybuntu on a 4 gb flash drive yay
[01:12] <binarymutant> DaveDixonII, compiz?
[01:13] <vidd> Gazali, sorry....i had to go reset a power breaker in the basement
[01:13] <Gazali> its ok
[01:13] <Gazali> i was able to remove it
[01:13] <DaveDixonII> binarymutant: i dont have compiz. D:
[01:14] <Gazali> i just left clicked on panel :D
[01:14] <binarymutant> DaveDixonII, you need compiz for wobbly effects
[01:14] <vidd> Gazali, try building a second user, log into it and see if the menu is the same
[01:15] <Gazali> well vidd, xfce uses a default (i dont know where it is) menu layout or uses the one you create
[01:16] <Gazali> the one you configure resides at ~/.config/xdg/menus so this is not for everyuser
[01:16] <zerothis> has any one gotten a Vontange V-phone to run in on Linux?
[01:17] <binarymutant> zerothis, ekiga might be able to use the vonage service
[01:17] <vidd> right...so Gazali exactly
[01:17] <vidd> i would be interested in what is diffent
[01:19] <binarymutant> zerothis, http://www.jpugh.org/2008/01/vonage-and-ekiga-on-suse-linux.html
[01:20] <Gazali> vidd if you want to see the menu of another user
[01:20] <vidd> Gazali, just pastebin me your menus file
[01:21] <Gazali> then youll need to tell me how to create another user cuz i am new to linux
[01:21] <Gazali> allright ill try
[01:22] <Gazali> if you are interested in the debian menu
[01:22] <Gazali> there is a file menudefs.hook
[01:22] <Gazali> which i dont know where
[01:22] <Gazali> ill try to paste the menu conf
[01:24] <vidd> but to add a basic user, simply run sudo adduser
[01:25] <Gazali> http://rafb.net/p/1QILGD52.html
[01:26] <brad_> question, can anyone help me with a printer?
[01:27] <vidd> Gazali, remove lines 17 and 18
[01:28] <Gazali> newusers comes with the default menu (with debian)
[01:29] <Gazali> vidd debian menu is not visible now so
[01:29] <Gazali> there is no prblem
[01:29] <vidd> Gazali, removing those lines did it?
[01:29] <Gazali> no i had used the menu editor of xfce
[01:30] <Gazali> i have to to bed now thank you for your help vidd
[01:30] <vidd> np
[01:30] <Gazali> (its 3.29 am here:)
[01:30] <Gazali> bye
[01:31] <brad_> sorry to ask, but can someone help me with printer problems?
[01:31] <vidd> brad_, what kind of printer?
[01:31] <brad_> lexmark z715
[01:31] <brad_> ive tried a few tutorials, but nothings working and i can't figure out why or where i screwed up
[01:31] <vidd> brad_, lexmark's are notoriously linux-hostile
[01:32] <brad_> and yeah, i do know lexmark isn't the most open source... but it's all i got to work with...
[01:32] <brad_> if someone could just help me look for a tutorial i'd appreciate it...
[01:36] <vidd> brad_, try this http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=772161
[01:38] <brad_> tried this a few times, but i'll give it one more go
[01:41] <brad_> be right back, have to switch to gnome
[01:49] <brad_> ok, so how do i print a test page?
[01:49] <brad_> any idea?
[01:49] <vidd> should be in the print thing
[01:49] <binarymutant> um print /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:49] <vidd> *menu
[01:50] <brad_> how would one print sources.list? and there's not an option to do a test page in System-Administration-Printing
[01:51] <binarymutant> oh I meant open it in a text editor and print something but nvm
[01:51] <brad_> that might be stupid enough to work...
[01:52] <binarymutant> technically it could be a test page
[01:53] <brad_> ZOMG IT WORKS!!!
[01:53] <binarymutant> brad_, did you use cups?
[01:53] <brad_> yeah
[01:53] <binarymutant> thats cool, never used it
[01:53] <brad_> now to try openoffice
[01:53] <vidd> brad_, cups finally has the driver? or did you follow the link i sent ya?
[01:54] <brad_> used the link
[01:54] <brad_> OMG OPENOFFICE WORKS!!!
[01:54] <brad_> sorry for the shouting, i'm so happy...
[01:55] <brad_> thanks vidd for convincing me to try the tutorial again...
[01:55] <brad_> also, does anybody know if there is a way to add more space at the top?
[01:57] <vidd> brad_, i dont really print
[01:58] <brad_> yeah, well, i can fix this later
[01:59] <brad_> also, how would one add this server to the startup list in xchat?
[01:59] <brad_> sorry, i know i'm asking a lot of questions...
[01:59] <vidd> brad_, simply open the xchat->network list menu.....
[02:00] <brad_> when i did that, it didn't load this again on startup
[02:00] <brad_> i'll try one more time...
[02:00] <vidd> highlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box
[02:01] <vidd> highlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box
[02:01] <brad_> oh, woops
[02:01] <brad_> thanks
[02:01] <brad_> anyway, got to go, thanks for all of your guys' help
[02:04] <mattgyver83> I installed xfce on my ubuntu laptop, is this the same thing as just installing xubuntu?
[02:05] <binarymutant> yeah
[02:05] <mattgyver83> Thats what i thought.
[02:05] <binarymutant> but you probably still have gnome on it dont you?
[02:05] <mattgyver83> im having some troubles with compiz and some other settings as well
[02:05] <mattgyver83> Yeah, I do.
[02:06] <mattgyver83> its real wierd.  For a while things were running perfectly, but for some reason now my mouse icon is just the plain X cursor.
[02:06] <binarymutant> thats the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu
[02:06] <mattgyver83> Thats what i thought.
[02:06] <mattgyver83> So i dont understand where these other issues are arrising from, its not like the filesystem/structure is any different.
[02:10] <binarymutant> dunno, mine looks the same
[02:12] <binarymutant> I'm pretty sure that compiz is like it's own window manager, that might be the reason
[02:13] <binarymutant> and you can change the mouse theme in X too
[02:13] <mattgyver83> Funny enough, when i ran compiz in terminal everything just fixed.  I think i might be onto it.
[02:14] <mattgyver83> I think emerald is trying to control the enviornment, might be blocking some changes.  I might just need compiz to begin at startup.
[02:14] <mattgyver83> n/m.
[02:14] <binarymutant> metacity --replace or something like that idk, compiz isn't really my thing
[02:15] <mattgyver83> does xfce use metacity still?  i assumed that was gnome only.
[02:15] <binarymutant> not sure, I thought it did
[02:16] <mattgyver83> My laptop isnt blazing fast, I remembered using xfce on an older one that i have and it was much faster.   Obvious speed difference between the two.
[02:17] <binarymutant> if your looking for speed, compiz is definitely not the way to go
[02:19] <binarymutant> and I would say dwm is much much much faster than xfce :P
[02:19] <mattgyver83> what is dwm?
[02:20] <binarymutant> a tiling window manager
[02:20] <binarymutant> it's very small, like 2kb, and very fast
[02:21] <mattgyver83> Ill have to look into it.  Xfce seems to be great on this laptop, however i have an even older one that i might look into it on.
[02:21] <binarymutant> http://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm/     <--- not recommended for novices
[02:22] <binarymutant> their support is terrible though, so it's kinda a give and take
[02:22] <mattgyver83> Gotcha.  You say not recommended, whats so difficult about it?
[02:23] <binarymutant> besides the support? You have to compile it anytime you change something and it's almost featureless
[02:24] <mattgyver83> Oh okay.
[02:24] <binarymutant> but the trade off is it's blazingly fast
[02:26] <mattgyver83> back in a sec
[02:28] <mattgyver83> now i gotta figure out why it all of a sudden doesnt see an internet connection.
[02:28] <binarymutant> you still have nm-applet?
[02:29] <mattgyver83> not sure
[02:30] <mattgyver83> Is that network manager?
[02:30] <binarymutant> ya
[02:30] <binarymutant> from gnome
[02:30] <mattgyver83> Yes.
[02:31] <binarymutant> that should work
[02:31] <mattgyver83> And it looks like all is setup correctly still.
[02:32] <mattgyver83> At least, the screen im looking at says 'Network Settings' which i believe is network-manager in gnmoe
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[02:32] <binarymutant> I dunno, it's the applet in the system tray is what i'm talking about
[02:34] <mattgyver83> Actually, no i dont anymore.
[02:34] <mattgyver83> however it was there earlier.
[02:35] <binarymutant> just type nm-applet in a terminal
[02:35] <mattgyver83> tryed, nothing loaded
[02:35] <mattgyver83> im actually rebooting, ill try again in a sec
[02:36] <mattgyver83> Its wierd that it all worked for a couple of days and then stopped.  Guess i did something.
[02:36] <mattgyver83> thx for your help btw
[02:36] <binarymutant> then...sudo apt-get network-manger-gnome I guess, np
[02:36] <mattgyver83> wont be able to cuz i dont have a connection.
[02:36] <binarymutant> its on disc probably
[02:36] <mattgyver83> oh okay
[02:41] <mattgyver83> tells me that network-manager-gnome is the newest version
[02:41] <charding> Using 8.10 with fglrx Driver and running fgl_glxgears gives a white screen then locks up X, any ideas? fgl_glxgears before used to work fine..
[02:43] <mattgyver83> ill try a wired connectin
[02:44] <mattgyver83> same problem.
[02:45] <Oldbitcollector> Hi
[02:46] <Oldbitcollector> Are the experts online for questions?
[02:47] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, ask away
[02:47] <mattgyver83> hopefully someones an expert ';D
[02:47] <vidd> i may not be an expert, but ill try
[02:47] <Oldbitcollector> thanks / background: was running Ubuntu until my Hdd crashed. Switched to Xubuntu because I like the feel.  Got a couple items I'm trying to get straighten the way I want them.
[02:48] <Oldbitcollector> Little new.. switch from XP a month or so ago.  never going back.
[02:48] <Oldbitcollector> Question 1) How do I add the "Home" icon to the top panel?
[02:48] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, did you run nm-applet in a terminal?
[02:48] <mattgyver83> binarymutant, yes it never loaded anything
[02:48] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, scratch that, do this in a terminal " sudo dhclient "
[02:49] <binarymutant> for wired
[02:49] <mattgyver83> okay.   just one second, i want to make sure im not crazy and that all works on a gnome session still.
[02:49] <binarymutant> if it works in gnome, it'll work in xfce because the tools these gui's use are the same in every window manager
[02:50] <mattgyver83> Okay.  So it probably wotn.
[02:50] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, should be able to right-click on desktop and check the box to show desktop icons
[02:51] <mattgyver83> yeah, for some insane reason it stopped working all together, let me get back in xfce
[02:51] <vidd> mattgyver83, i missed your issue
[02:52] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, try sudo dhclient in a terminal
[02:52] <binarymutant> for wired
[02:52] <Oldbitcollector> @vidd: I'd like to add a "launcher" for the "Home" into Panel 1.  Not sure I'm following..
[02:52] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, isnt the "places" applet there already?
[02:53] <mattgyver83> vidd, problems connecting to the internet now after installing xfce on ubuntu (normally running gnome)
[02:53] <Oldbitcollector> Good point..
[02:53] <Oldbitcollector> I can adapt..
[02:53] <binarymutant> mattgyver83, dhclient give you an ip?
[02:53] <mattgyver83> about to run it now
[02:54] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, i was thinking desktop...not panel (i mis read)
[02:54] <Oldbitcollector> Question 2) Anyone running CheckGmail.  How can I get this application to load automatically when I log in?
[02:54] <binarymutant> Oldbitcollector, put it in .xinit
[02:54] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, add it to the "autostarted apps" in the settings manager
[02:54] <binarymutant> ^ or that
[02:55] <vidd> mattgyver83, how are you conecting? wired or wireless?
[02:55] <mattgyver83> currently wired just for testing, however this machine needs to connect wireless.
[02:55] <Oldbitcollector> ah. why didn't I see that..
[02:55] <mattgyver83> binarymutant, i get only internal IP addresses, should i list my external?
[02:56] <binarymutant> no, you should be connected to the net now mattgyver83
[02:56] <binarymutant> it pulls an internal ip
[02:56] <mattgyver83> Yeah, it gives me the correct IP
[02:56] <mattgyver83> and notices my gateway
[02:57] <binarymutant> and you're on the net
[02:57] <mattgyver83> .....
[02:57] <binarymutant> i gtg, but for wireless you use iwconfig if you can't get nm-applet working
[02:57] <mattgyver83> for some reason, yes.  It goes online all of a sudden.
[02:57] <mattgyver83> okay, thanks.
[02:58] <Oldbitcollector> @binary: is there an easy way to read the "properties" of a menu item under "Applications"?
[02:58] <vidd> mattgyver83, connect up your wifi
[02:58] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, no...there isnt
[02:59] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, why you need to know the properties?
[02:59] <Oldbitcollector> So I can read off what needs to be placed into autostart
[02:59] <mattgyver83> vidd, i did
[02:59] <mattgyver83> i just ran ifdown and ifup on the connection.
[02:59] <mattgyver83> i get nothing
[02:59] <Oldbitcollector> thought I had found a way to pull launchers from "Applications" onto the desktop earlier.. not sure what I did.
[03:00] <mattgyver83> iwconfig shows my wifi connection though
[03:00] <vidd> mattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[03:00] <Oldbitcollector> ah.. Appfinder. drag to desktop and I can see the properties.
[03:00] <mattgyver83> ok
[03:01] <mattgyver83> it told me command not found
[03:02] <vidd> mattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[03:02] <Oldbitcollector> Last question: what is the player which allows music to play when the mouse is held over the file? I'd like to add the feature to X
[03:02] <mattgyver83> last line says 'RTNETLINK answers: No such process'
[03:02] <vidd> Oldbitcollector, im clueless there
[03:03] <vidd> mattgyver83, now ifconfig
[03:03] <Oldbitcollector> Yes, I'm sure that is not a common question here. :)
[03:04] <mattgyver83> okay, it shows me eth0, eth1, lo, wmaster0
[03:04] <Oldbitcollector> ah, one more.. I'm using an SD/USB adapter.  How does one change the permissions to allow writing to the SD?
[03:08] <vidd> mattgyver83, now do iwconfig
[03:08] <mattgyver83> okay, it notices my wifi connection @ eth1
[03:08] <vidd> ok....then you are connected
[03:10] <mattgyver83> browser just times out, and when i try to ping a site i get nothing.
[03:10] <vidd> wmaster is what "controls" the wifi connection
[03:11] <mattgyver83> @iwconfig - wmaster no wireless extensions, eth1 it shows EEID:"matttastic" my home network
[03:12] <vidd> mattgyver83, try sudo apt-get install network-manager
[03:13] <vidd> mattgyver83, wmaster is a controler
[03:13]  * vidd uses wicd rather then network manager
[03:14] <vidd> mattgyver83, can you ping yor gateway?
[03:20] <aLeSD> is it possible to search in the samba net as in ubuntu ?
[03:20] <aLeSD> or connect to a samba server by a graphical xfce tool ?
[03:20] <vidd> mattgyver83, can you ping your gateway?
[03:22] <neozen> aLeSD: could perhaps mount a samba share with fusesmb
[03:23] <neozen> aLeSD: then just browse normally with thunar
[03:23] <aLeSD> thunar ? fuesmb ?
[03:24] <neozen> aLeSD: thunar is xfce's beloved minimal filemanager
[03:24] <neozen> if you've been browsing the filesystem in X, you've seen thunar
[03:25] <aLeSD> oh yes
[03:25] <neozen> aLeSD: fusesmb is something like a plugin for fuse which stands for Filesystem in UserSpacE
[03:25] <neozen> aLeSD: basically fuse lets you mount things as your user instead of being root
[03:26] <neozen> aLeSD: also lets you mount things you couldn't normally as filesystems
[03:26] <neozen> aLeSD: samba (windows shares), a directory accessible through ssh etc
[03:27] <vidd> !fusesmb
[03:27] <ubottu> fusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network.  Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[03:27] <aLeSD> ok thanks
[03:27] <neozen> aLeSD: to the best of my knowledge, no single easy app exists for xfce
[03:27] <neozen> aLeSD: you're welcome
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[04:25] <[AfZ]TomServo1> is there a pretentious code on this channel that says that you can't ask n00by questions without lurking for 3 months?
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[04:35] <excalibas> Hello, I just upgraded from hardy to intrepid, and now my SD cards are weird, they mount OK, but they don't appear on the Partition Editor, and I cant unmount them. If I try to eject I get an error and than I cannot mount back
[04:37] <excalibas> well, the mounting is not really a problem, because it is mounting. but why cant Gparted find it? I need to format it. please help
[04:47] <excalibas> this does not happen with usb device, only SD card. my USB pendrive appears on Gparted
[05:00] <excalibas> I think is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/275345
[05:10] <fug> how come i dont have a xorg.conf file on a fresh install? only the example
[05:11] <fug> i'm not going to screw anything up if i run a config tool am i?
[05:11] <fug> everything works just fine - i only need to disable the touchpad
[05:17] <dcolish> fug: just comment it out in your xorg file, its autogenerated by dpkg
[05:17] <dcolish> also, all the input stuff is now configured by hal as an fdi
[05:24] <fug> just figured all i need to do is start syndaemon
[05:26] <fug> there's the "autostarted applications" in the settings manager..
[05:26] <fug> in which file are the settings stored?
[05:27] <fug> i'd like to have syndaemon and mpd start automatically, is that the righ way to go?
[06:50] <ball> hello maxamillion
[07:12] <coldhak> mount.ntfs is taking 90% of my CPU, what does it do?
[07:13] <ball> it's a CPU benchmark <- this is a lie
[07:14] <coldhak> apparently it keeps the ntfs drive mounted. it fails for taking that much cpu power to do such a thing
[07:21] <ball> coldhak: Is it a drive that you share with a Window machine?
[07:21] <ball> Windows*
[07:22]  * ball potches about with a Webcam
[07:38] <coldhak> yes
[07:38] <coldhak> i dual boot with windows
[07:38] <ball> Ah, that limits your options then.
[07:38] <coldhak> i killed the process and remounted, it's no longer taking so much cpu
[07:39] <ball> I have to go anyway, it's 01:38 here and I have to be up again at 05:30
[07:39] <ball> coldhak: perhaps it leaks
[07:39] <coldhak> same
[07:39] <coldhak> g'night
[07:39] <ball> Goodnight
[07:41] <law__> hi guys
[07:41] <law__> i need some help here
[07:43] <law__> from my xubuntu pc i can ping to another win xp pc, but from win xp pc i can't ping to xubuntu pc
[07:43] <law__> anybody can give me some solutions?
[07:45] <law__> please ?
[07:47] <law__> anybody can help me?
[07:49] <law__> ?
[07:50] <law__> hello
[07:58] <wormsxulla_> law__: be patient
[08:18] <law__> so may i ask my question now?
[08:30] <wormsxulla_> law__: i think you've asked your question already, anyone able to help will do so, when they are "alive". remember there are timezones
[08:30] <wormsxulla_> so the only thing is to be patient, really :)
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[09:45] <gue> hi all, how to rebuilding xorg.conf, pls, my this file is empty. :(
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[12:38] <b3wbs> can someone help me [im a linux noob]
[12:38] <b3wbs> need help installing glib
[12:39]  * soren raises an eyebrow
[12:40] <b3wbs> well basically
[12:40] <b3wbs> how? :D
[12:41] <TheSheep> what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:41] <b3wbs> install glib
[12:41] <TheSheep> you have it istalled
[12:41] <TheSheep> installed
[12:41] <TheSheep> it's part of your system
[12:41] <b3wbs> apparently not
[12:42] <b3wbs> cause i was trying to install something else and it pronounced that i don't have glib and that i need to get it
[12:42] <b3wbs> so i've downloaded it
[12:42] <b3wbs> and extracted it
[12:42] <b3wbs> but i don't know what to do now
[12:42] <TheSheep> what do you need it for?
[12:42] <b3wbs> apparently so i can install xchat
[12:42] <TheSheep> just install xchat from repositories, with synaptic
[13:04] <idontlikenumber1> Is Ubuntu bleeding edge like Fedora?
[13:06] <hhh2> i have xubuntu hardy and i want to update videolan 0.8.6e to 0.9.6
[13:06] <hhh2> how can i do?
[13:06] <hhh2> i don't find a .deb file
[13:10] <atari> hi
[13:11] <vidd> hello atari
[13:11] <vidd> hhh2, then compile it from source
[13:11] <vidd> read the instructions that comes with it
[13:12] <atari> hi vidd
[13:12] <atari> on a scale from 1 to 10. what would be my success when changing from etch to xubunt with apt-get?
[13:13] <vidd> atari, negative 10000
[13:13] <atari> damn
[13:13] <vidd> you will do nothing but nuke your system
[13:13] <vidd> you have a seperate /home partition?
[13:13] <atari> yes i do
[13:14] <vidd> then why not do a net install?
[13:14] <atari> net install?
[13:14] <atari> you mean new?
[13:14] <vidd> the mini ISO is only 10 MB, and you tell the installer to leave your /home partition intact
[13:14] <vidd> atari, no....net install
[13:14] <vidd> !mini
[13:14] <ubottu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[13:15] <atari> the big problem is, i cant boot any ubuntu kernel i tried yet... so i need a customized kernel...
[13:15] <vidd> atari, why can you not boot it?
[13:15] <vidd> what error are you getting?
[13:15] <atari> i always get a kernel panic
[13:16] <atari> kernel options didnt help at all
[13:16] <vidd> from the installer?
[13:16] <atari> noapic, agp=off etc.
[13:16] <vidd> the installer or post-install?
[13:16] <atari> its not a ubutntu related problem, but a linux kernel problem
[13:16] <atari> thats why i need a customized kernel ;)
[13:16] <vidd> atari, which kernel is your etch running?
[13:17] <atari> Linux blacky 2.6.27.4 #1 SMP Tue Oct 28 23:18:02 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:17] <atari> (no the debian kernel doesnt boot either ;)
[13:17] <vidd> and did you have to custom-compile this?
[13:17] <vidd> ah
[13:17] <atari> yes
[13:17] <atari> brb
[13:19] <vidd> atari, then try looking here: http://www.debuntu.org/
[13:23] <atari> vidd: thx
[13:24] <atari> vidd: i didnt know that page yet
[14:00] <vidd> hello maxamillion
[14:26] <zeitsofa> hello :) did anybody have an idea how i can fix this problem http://pastebin.com/m6ce4773d
[14:28] <knome> zeitsofa, does nm-applet run?
[14:28] <vidd> zeitsofa, that simply means you can only have one instance of the Network admin tool running
[14:28] <knome> hello vidd
[14:28] <vidd> if you dont see the pannel app, then edit your panels to post it
[14:28] <vidd> hello Knightlust
[14:28] <knome> haha
[14:28] <vidd> gaaaa!!!!!!
[14:28]  * knome is evil
[14:28] <vidd> hello knome
[14:29] <vidd> knight is going to change his name soon!
[14:29] <vidd> =]
[14:29]  * knome sends dozens of bots with nicks starting with kn
[14:29] <knome> ;)
[14:30] <zeitsofa> vidd: i'm confused, it runs yesterday - how i can configure the panel correctly ?
[14:33] <zeitsofa> hmm ok after /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart the applet comes up - but now are no interfaces are available
[14:33] <knome> ok i'm going now
[14:33] <knome> see you later.
[14:34] <vidd> zeitsofa, is the system connecting via wired or wireless?
[14:35] <zeitsofa> wired
[14:35] <vidd> can you ping your gateway?
[14:36] <zeitsofa> i'm online i think so :)
[14:36] <zeitsofa> yes i can
[14:36] <vidd> if your online, then why are you concerned?
[14:36] <vidd> does this system use wifi?
[14:37] <zeitsofa> i can not configure any interface with he applet - and no i have only to wired interfaces
[14:37] <zeitsofa> s/he/the
[14:38] <vidd> zeitsofa, why would you want to configure wired interfaces with nm?
[14:38] <vidd> its for wifi
[14:39] <soren> Uh, no.
[14:39] <vidd> zeitsofa, it is much easier to simply set up /etc/network/interfaces
[14:39] <soren> It's for all interfaces.
[14:40] <vidd> soren, its crap for wired
[14:40] <vidd> its only decent for wifi
[14:40] <soren> Be they, wired, wireless, DSL lines, 3G, dial-up..
[14:40] <zeitsofa> vidd: a few days befor i can configure alle my interface with the applet - i have 2 cards and one is connectet to a test network - often i have to change the ip address
[14:40] <soren> vidd: I know lots of people who would say the exact opposite :)
[14:41] <vidd> zeitsofa, idk how to assist with your specifics....but soren is apparently an expert
[14:41] <soren> vidd: Not in particular. Not unless plugging in the network cable and then using the network makes me an expert.
[14:41] <vidd> personally, i use wicd....MUCH more intuitive
[14:42] <soren> $ apt-cache search wicd
[14:42] <soren> $
[14:42] <soren> -v
[14:42] <vidd> soren, its not in the repos
[14:42] <soren> That's a major loss on the intuitiveness scale, if you ask me :)
[14:43] <vidd> sor
[14:43] <vidd> soren, how so?
[14:43] <vidd> add the repo for it and then its in your repos.....
[14:43] <soren> It's not very intuitive that you have to jump through hoops to even install the thing.
[14:43] <vidd> but getting the software is nothing to do with how intuitive the software is to use
[14:43] <soren> Using it starts by the installation procedure.
[14:44] <zeitsofa> it is so stupid - first time i can not open a vpn connection with the applet - on second step i reinstall the applett an now no configuration for my interfaces and no vpn connections ^^ - the best way i think go back to debian
[14:44] <soren> If you were to explain to your grandma how to connect to the internet, having to start with guiding her through adding extra repositories... not optimal, IMO.
[14:44] <vidd> zeitsofa, yeah....wicd is in the repos there
[14:45] <vidd> (i think)
[14:45] <zeitsofa> vidd: hrhr on debian it works fine for me :)
[14:45] <vidd> soren, you dont know my grandmother
[14:45] <soren> vidd: I might.
[14:46] <soren> Especially seeing as getting stuff from other repositories requires a... wait for it.... internet connection!
[14:46] <vidd> telling her to switch to console, wget this file, dpk install it, get the dependencies with apt-get fix is no problem for her
[14:47] <soren> Good for you.
[14:47] <soren> And her.
[14:48] <vidd> and hitting an internet connection is a piece of cake so long as you are not using nm
[14:48] <vidd> set the network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to dhcp your eth0 connection and your golden
[14:49] <vidd> zeitsofa, idk what the issue is with your NM
[14:49] <vidd> have you tried to apt-get uninstall --purge it and re-install it?
[14:51] <vidd> zeitsofa, also, please pastebin your network interfaces for me
[14:51] <vidd> !pastebin
[14:51] <ubottu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:54] <zeitsofa> vidd: hrhr ubutnu goes MS :) rebooting and it works
[14:54] <vidd> zeitsofa, i told ya it was crapware
[14:54] <vidd> =]
[14:54] <zeitsofa> hmm that is true :)
[14:55] <vidd> zeitsofa, ya might want to check out wicd
[14:55] <vidd> see if it will meet your needs
[14:55] <vidd> i dont know if it can or cannot handle bridging
[14:56]  * vidd never had occation to try
[14:56] <zeitsofa> vidd: did wicd can use vpn (pptp) ?
[14:56] <vidd> dunno...as i said...i never looked into it
[14:57] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[14:57] <zeitsofa> yes i found it with google :)
[14:58] <zeitsofa> but there is no vpn include
[14:59] <Schenker80> guys I have a small problem now.  I have downloaded the desktop CD and I have booted my computer from it.  I have a black screen with white text and it says welcome to yaboot.  how do i install from this?
[15:04] <vidd> ya dont
[15:04] <vidd> Schenker80, how much ram does that machine have?
[15:08] <Shaba1> Hello anyone at the keys here?
[15:08] <vidd> !ask | Shaba1
[15:08] <ubottu> Shaba1: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[15:08] <Shaba1> Ok
[15:08] <neozen> Schenker80: ahh yaboot..... that piece of @#$#@$ that was supposed to handle boot management in YDL on our decrepit mac servers ... but didn't
[15:09] <Shaba1> I have my screen res set to 1024X768 which I think is right. But some dialogs and windows have the bottoms cut off when displayed on the 'desktop'
[15:10] <vidd> Shaba1, if your dialogs are cut off, then you most likely have 800x600
[15:10] <Shaba1> vidd how do I determine that definatively?
[15:11] <vidd> open the setting->settings manager->display
[15:11] <Shaba1> yes I did that
[15:12] <Shaba1> the max res it shows is 640X480
[15:12] <vidd> it will tell you "default" and the resolutions that are available to you
[15:12] <vidd> what is the first resolution?
[15:12] <Shaba1> btw that settings manager screen gets cut off too
[15:12] <Shaba1> vid the first one is default
[15:12] <vidd> Shaba1, max resi is 640x480??
[15:13] <vidd> you need to get the right video driver installed on your system
[15:13] <Shaba1> 720X576 is the max
[15:14] <vidd> Shaba1, you said display said the max resilution is 640x480
[15:14] <Shaba1> vidd nope I look above that in the dialog.
[15:14] <vidd> this means you are in safe graphics mode
[15:14] <Shaba1> I was ASSuming that the max res would be at the bottom of the dialog window
[15:15] <vidd> this is defanantly an issue of not having the correct video driver
[15:16] <Shaba1> ok how do I tell which one the machine is using
[15:16] <vidd> lspci will tell you what video card your using
[15:18] <Shaba1> vidd: ok how do that?
[15:18] <neozen> Shaba1: in terminal, type lspci
[15:18] <neozen> Shaba1: look for the line containing VGA or Graphics
[15:18] <neozen> how you doin vidd... been a long time
[15:21] <Shaba1> Via Technologies S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapater
[15:21] <Shaba1> which is what it shoulc be
[15:21] <Shaba1> that is what shows on the windows side of this machine
[15:23] <Shaba1> noezen:
[15:23] <Shaba1> Vidd?
[15:24] <Shaba1> I found this page "http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome"
[15:24] <Shaba1> how do i get that into synaptics
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[15:29] <Shaba1> Hello neozen are you back here now?
[15:30] <vidd> Shaba1, if its listed on that page, then it should already be in the repos
[15:30] <vidd> you can also download the .deb to your local machine and run:
[15:31] <vidd> sudo dpkg -i [path/to/file].deb
[15:31] <vidd> and if it says "missing dependencies", sudo apt-get install -f
[15:32] <Shaba1> vidd: I appreciate the help
[15:33] <Shaba1> but you are speaking as if I am already a linux afficiando
[15:33] <Shaba1> I come from a windows world
[15:33] <Shaba1> and quite versed there
[15:33] <Shaba1> but linux is another thing all together
[15:33] <vidd> Shaba1, if you download the .deb via firefox, then it should be saved to your desktop
[15:34] <vidd> if the name is fluffy.deb (no...that isnt going to be the actual name...just and example)
[15:34] <Shaba1> Ok #1 what is a .deb
[15:35] <vidd> Shaba1, a .deb is like a .exe in windows
[15:35] <vidd> (well not really...more like intaller.exe)
[15:35] <vidd> its one of many ways to install software in linux
[15:37] <Shaba1> Ok I am seeing a LOT of web pages describing this driver.
[15:37] <Shaba1> but none with a "click here to download this thing" link
[15:37] <vidd> Shaba1, the link you posted.....
[15:38] <vidd> go there....
[15:38] <vidd> you running an amd or an i386 system?
[15:38] <Shaba1> not sure hold on
[15:38] <Shaba1> I think its and amd
[15:38] <Shaba1> but I will check to make sure
[15:39] <vidd> ok...64 bit or 32bit?
[15:39] <Shaba1> amd
[15:39] <Shaba1> runnign the hardy (8.04) version of xubuntu
[15:39] <Shaba1> 32 bit
[15:40] <vidd> ok....on that page, click the link for i386 at the bottom of the page
[15:41] <Shaba1> ok got another page
[15:41] <vidd> it will take you to a page with a lot of different mirror sites.
[15:41] <vidd> click the link for any one of them, and it will download the file to your system
[15:43] <Shaba1> ok got a dialog that ask if I want to save the file or open it with /usr/lib/mime/debian-view(default)
[15:43] <Schenker80> what's the best release of xubuntu for an iBook G4?
[15:44] <Shaba1> vidd?
[15:44] <Schenker80> intrepid??
[15:45] <vidd> one moment....im at work....got a call in
[15:45] <Shaba1> ok no problem and thanks
[15:46] <Schenker80> for some reason i was under the impression that only version 6 worked on power PCs......but it seems that versions 7 and 8 also work too......
[15:46] <dcolish> Schenker80: there are kernels for ppc but I think they are not as well supported.
[15:47] <Schenker80> oh
[15:47] <Schenker80> well, if i did have problems with intrepid ibex you guys would be able to help me, right?
[15:48] <dcolish> Schenker80: depends on the problem, if its a real kernel issue that could be a lot more complex than what can be solved with configuration
[15:49] <Schenker80> oh i see.  well, what do you recommend for me?  do you think I should install version 7 or 8?
[15:50] <dcolish> with kernels I prefer the latest
[15:50] <Schenker80> ok cool, dcolish.  I will download intrepid
[15:50] <dcolish> good luck
[15:50] <Schenker80> thanks and sorry if my questions seem stupid
[15:51] <dcolish> all is forgiven
[15:51] <vidd> Shaba1, sorry....im back
[15:51] <vidd> save the file
[15:52] <vidd> Schenker80, the only stupid questions are those that are not asked
[15:53] <Schenker80> very true.  :)
[15:53] <Shaba1> k
[15:54] <vidd> Shaba1, now that it's on your desktop, you can double-click it to install
[15:55] <vidd> or you can open a terminal to do it the cli way
[15:55] <vidd> =]
[15:56] <vidd> which way ya want to learn?
[15:56] <Shaba1> Ok I hold on
[15:56] <Shaba1> I double clicked it on the deskotp
[15:57] <Shaba1> but now get a dialog that says "Failed to instal packag 'libxvmc_0.1.32-1_i386.deb
[16:03] <Shaba1> hello
[16:11] <Shaba1> vidd
[16:11] <Shaba1> are you still here?
[16:11] <vidd> sorry....
[16:12] <vidd> open up a terminal window......
[16:12] <Shaba1> hold on
[16:12] <Shaba1> trying again
[16:12] <Shaba1> I think I clicked on the wrong file on my desktop
[16:12] <Shaba1> its install in now
[16:13] <vidd> hehe
[16:13] <Shaba1> ok that worked
[16:13] <Shaba1> it says its installed
[16:13] <Shaba1> now how do I get it to change the resolustion
[16:13] <Shaba1> setting manager?
[16:14] <vidd> Shaba1, you will want to restart your desktop.....
[16:14] <vidd> [ctrl]+alt]+[BKSC]
[16:14] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+[BKSC]
[16:25] <Shaba1> Ok I am back
[16:25] <Shaba1> I restarted the desktop and had to sign in again
[16:25] <Shaba1> but I still see the same choices under the display settings applet
[16:26] <Shaba1> vidd:?
[16:29] <vidd> hrm....
[16:30] <vidd> you may need to re-configure your xserver to use the new driver
[16:30] <vidd> which version are you using>?
[16:30] <Shaba1> xfre
[16:30] <vidd> 8.04 or 8.10 (or 6.06)?
[16:30] <Shaba1> i asume
[16:31] <Shaba1> ok
[16:32] <Shaba1> ubuntu version 8.04
[16:33] <Shaba1> I thought that was the ubuntu version #
[16:33] <vidd> the command is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:33] <Shaba1> systems settings says something about gnome.
[16:33] <vidd> you will want to do this from a tty....
[16:34] <vidd> [ctrl]+[alt]+f1]
[16:34] <Shaba1> let me tell you the linux side of things is much more confusing then window
[16:34] <Shaba1> and no I am not a computer newbie
[16:34] <Shaba1> I use to be employed as a windows systems admin
[16:35] <Shaba1> vid: enter that keystroke combination from the terminal
[16:35] <Shaba1> or use that to get TO a terminal window?
[16:35] <vidd> Shaba1, that keystoke will put you into a tty (no gui)
[16:35] <vidd> then you will want to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:36] <vidd> then restart your x server (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)
[16:36] <vidd> during the reconfigure, you will want to change the driver to the new driver you installed
[16:38] <sinbox> why is sound in xubuntu so hard to work out? :'(
[16:40] <vidd> sinbox, cuzz its evil?
[16:41] <vidd> what problem you having?
[16:41] <sinbox> sound?
[16:41] <sinbox> naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[16:41] <vidd> what sound problem are you having?
[16:41] <sniperlt> Ok vid
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[16:41] <vidd> Shaba1, any luck?
[16:42] <Shaba1> vid: that cause a black screen with a blinking cursor to appear
[16:42] <Shaba1> So I had to cold reboot the machine
[16:42] <Shaba1> the good think is now my resolution is correct
[16:42] <vidd> cool
[16:43] <vidd> then rebooting reconfigured your xserver for you
[16:43] <Shaba1> I just wish i understood what just happen :D
[16:43] <sinbox> I just couldn't get it to capture sound for some reason, I ended up installing ubuntu-desktop and got it going in minutes on there, guess I'll have to take another look at it when I have a bit more time and come back with some actual details, I was just here for a general moan today (must be autumn...)
[16:44] <vidd> sinbox, you simply needed to open the sound manager (xfce4-mixer) and unmute the record
[16:45] <vidd> sinbox, it is listed as "capture"
[16:45] <vidd> also, you want to make sure that the correct sound card is selected
[16:46] <sinbox> I did try that, after installing a PCI card and turning off the onboard in the BIOS, and still no dice
[16:46] <Shaba1> Thanks vid
[16:47] <Shaba1> I will keep that one deb on my desktop
[16:47] <vidd> sinbox, did you confirm that xfce4-mixer was set to use the newly installed card instead of the disabled card?
[16:47] <Shaba1> and erase all the other so there is no confusion
[16:47] <vidd> Shaba1, now that its installed, you dont need it anymore
[16:48] <vidd> Shaba1, basically what happened was that you needed to reboot to reload the kernel driver (im sure there is a way to do it from command line but i cant think of it off the top of my head)
[16:49] <vidd> sinbox, when you installed gnome, it would have auto-detected that the onboard card was disabled and auto-selected the neqw card....but if you did this after xfce was installed, then you would have had to tell xfce that the audio device changed since install
[16:50] <Shaba1> I tend to be a packrat
[16:50] <Shaba1> Both in real life and with my computer tools
[16:50] <vidd> Shaba1, it is rude to PM without permission
[16:50] <Shaba1> I always hate to throw things away because I think someday I might need them
[16:51] <vidd> Shaba1, these are easily recovered
[16:51] <Shaba1> I thought you pmed me
[16:51] <Shaba1> with that message??
[16:51] <vidd> but if you must save....make a folder for deb's and move it there
[16:51] <Shaba1> must be the differneces between this irc program and mirc which I am use to using
[16:52] <vidd> when the writing shows up in red....it only means that your name is in the line
[16:52] <vidd> if you /msg someone, it opens a private chat...just like mirc
[16:53] <TheKing> What's the equivelent of ConvertXtoDVD on linux
[16:53] <vidd> Shaba1, oh...and check out tab-autocomplete
[16:54] <Shaba1> I just discovered something about this irc client
[16:55] <vidd> TheKing, what does it do?
[16:55] <Shaba1> when my name is mentioned in a room it pops up a dialog box if the client's window does not have focus
[16:55] <TheKing> It takes any video file you download off the internet and converts it to DVD format
[16:55] <Shaba1> that is why I thought your previous message was a pm vidd
[16:55] <vidd> ic
[16:55] <TheKing> Then you can burn it on the fly
[16:55] <vidd> you are forgiven (this time)
[16:56] <Shaba1> Its call kvirc
[16:56] <Shaba1> I will have to go look up the docs when I get back to the windows side of this machine
[16:56] <vidd> TheKing, check out http://www.linux.com/articles/53702
[16:57] <TheKing> k
[16:57] <vidd> Shaba1, why wait?
[16:57] <Shaba1> I am doing updates now on the xubuntu side
[16:57] <vidd> Shaba1, let me rephrase.....
[16:57] <vidd> why switch back to the windows side?
[16:58] <Shaba1> Oh
[16:58] <Shaba1> I spend much of my time in windows
[16:58] <Shaba1> i use it for work
[16:58] <vidd> we can fix that =]
[16:58] <Shaba1> when I can get computer work
[16:58] <Shaba1> which is not often now
[16:58] <Shaba1> damn this economy
[16:59] <Shaba1> I wanted to get familiar with linux
[17:00] <Shaba1> to give my self another employable skill set
[17:00] <Shaba1> but this laptop does not have enough ram for ubuntu
[17:00] <Shaba1> so someone suggested xubuntu.
[17:01] <vidd> Shaba1, for "marketable" linux, you will also whant to check out Red Hat's linux
[17:13] <sinbox> thanks forthetipvidd I'll cheeckitout when I've got some time, need to run to work now
[17:14] <Shaba1> i know vidd. but i will hve to clear space on my desktop for that.
[17:15] <Schenker80> folks, is it a good idea to have an ethernet connection plugged in when installing xubuntu?
[17:15] <zoredache> sure
[17:16] <Schenker80> should I disable WEP on my router in that case?
[17:16] <Schenker80> like just leave the network open?  or does that not matter when you're plugged right in?
[17:16] <sinbox> does not matter
[17:16] <Schenker80> OK cool thankyou
[17:17] <sinbox> pgrading from WP to WPA might be a good move for your wireless as well
[17:17] <sinbox> upgrading*
[17:17] <sinbox> waoh typolexia galore
[17:18] <Schenker80> sorry I do have WPA
[17:18] <Schenker80> hehe
[17:18] <Shaba1> brb reboot
[17:24] <Max__> i´am back to annoy you with my questions ;)
[17:25] <Max__> does xubuntu has something like a "taskmanager"?
[17:25] <sinbox> top or htop in a terminal
[17:26] <sinbox> maybe not htop on xubuntu actually
[17:27] <Max__> ok, cause my the laptop hanged up
[17:28] <vidd> Max__, they have the same task manager as ubuntu.....
[17:29] <Max__> strg+alt+ent???
[17:30] <vidd> the GUI is gnome-system-monitor and the cli is top
[17:30] <vidd> Max__, ????
[17:30]  * Odd-rationale <3 htop
[17:31] <Max__> yes but how do I get it started when it hung up?
[17:31] <vidd> htop FTW! (should be in the default install)
[17:31] <Max__> i do not get to the terminal
[17:31] <vidd> Max__, can you [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?
[17:32] <Max__> yes
[17:32] <vidd> Max__, i recommend htop .... sudo apt-get install htop
[17:33] <vidd> then use htop to close the misbehaving item
[17:33] <vidd> Max__, you have anything critical running that you need saved on that desktop?
[17:33] <Max__> no
[17:34] <vidd> Max__, then from tty, type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[17:34] <vidd> (tty is where you go when you hit [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]
[17:35] <vidd> Max__, that will restart your desktop and kill every application dependent on the desktop
[17:38] <Max__> works
[17:38] <Max__> thx for reanimating
=== sniperlt is now known as shaba1
[17:40] <shaba1> thanks vidd again
[17:43] <Max__> is it normal that i cant play any mp3 files?
[17:48] <zoredache> !restricted
[17:48] <ubottu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:51] <shaba1> thank for the help vidd
[17:55] <vidd> Max__, i still recommend that you install htop so that when you do have something critical, that you can just kill the bad app and then save your work
[18:06] <Schenker80> guys I am installing Intrepid ibex and it's asking me about partitioning.  I don't mind if it deletes everything on the hard drive.  with this in mind what should I choose?  My options are:  Guided - resize IDE Master.......  Guided - user entire disk.       guided - use entire disk and set up LVM       guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM
[18:08]  * vidd chooses manual
[18:08] <Schenker80> ok....
[18:08] <vidd> set up a / partition, a /home partition, and if its a server, a /var partition
[18:08] <vidd> and of course a swap partition
[18:08] <Schenker80> oh man
[18:08] <Schenker80> i have no idea how to do that
[18:08] <Schenker80> that's way out of my league
[18:08] <vidd> choose manual
[18:09] <Schenker80> OK
[18:09] <vidd> first partition will be a swap partition....set that to about 2x your ram
[18:09] <vidd> next partition will be your / partition
[18:10] <vidd> set this to about 1/10th of your remaining hd space, or 6 Gig, whichever is higher
[18:10] <Schenker80> i don't know how to do this....
[18:11] <vidd> when you chose manual, it should show you a partition
[18:11] <vidd> how many partitions are there?
[18:11] <Schenker80> it shows me 4....
[18:11] <Schenker80> 1 - 32kb - apple
[18:11] <vidd> ok....what are the sizes of these partitions?
[18:11] <Schenker80> 2 - 1.0mb BK boot untitled
[18:12] <Schenker80> 3 - 59.1 GB - ext3 - untitled
[18:12] <vidd> *shutter* a MAC
[18:12] <Schenker80> 4 - 765 f swap
[18:12] <vidd> ok.... so you already have a swap partition
[18:12] <vidd> looks like you have a 60 gig hard drive
[18:13] <Schenker80> yes man
[18:13] <Schenker80> i do
[18:13] <vidd> select the first partition, and then choose "remove partiton"
[18:13] <vidd> do this to all partitions except the swap
[18:13] <Schenker80> OK man
[18:13] <Schenker80> hold on
[18:14] <Schenker80> delete the boot one, man?
[18:14] <vidd> yes...all
[18:14] <vidd> and im vidd ... not "man"
[18:14] <Schenker80> sorry, vidd
[18:14] <vidd> this aint the '60's
[18:14] <vidd> =]
[18:15] <Schenker80> ok so now I choose finish partitioning and write changes to disk?
[18:15] <vidd> no
[18:15] <vidd> you should now have swap and "unpartitioned"
[18:15] <Schenker80> yes i do
[18:15] <vidd> select the "unpartitioned"
[18:15] <vidd> we will set it to 6 GB
[18:15] <Schenker80> OK
[18:16] <Schenker80> how do i do that?
[18:16] <Schenker80> automatically partition the free space?
[18:16] <vidd> what is it asking for first?
[18:16] <Schenker80> create a new partition
[18:16] <vidd> select that
[18:16] <Schenker80> OK and 6 gb....
[18:16] <vidd> set it "primary"
[18:17] <vidd> yep
[18:17] <vidd> we want this to be / (should automatically select it)
[18:17] <Schenker80> it's asking me if i want to create it at the beginning or the end
[18:17] <vidd> i would choose beginning
[18:18] <Schenker80> ok I have done that
[18:18] <vidd> Schenker80, will this be a server or a desktop?
[18:18] <Schenker80> desktop machine
[18:18] <vidd> ok...we will do the same as b4
[18:19] <vidd> select the unpartitioned space
[18:19] <vidd> create new partition,
[18:19] <Schenker80> ok...
[18:19] <vidd> leave the size alone (it defaults to all the space left)
[18:19] <Schenker80> this is 53 gi
[18:19] <Schenker80> yeah
[18:20] <Schenker80> OK i have done that
[18:20] <vidd> it should automatically assign it to /home
[18:20] <Schenker80> yes it has :)
[18:20] <Schenker80> should i select done now?
[18:20] <vidd> finish, save changes, and keep on truck'n
[18:20] <vidd> yep
[18:20] <Schenker80> thanks vidd!
[18:20] <Schenker80> much appreciated
[18:20] <vidd> no problem
[18:20] <vidd> pay it forward =]
[18:21] <Schenker80> oh oh
[18:21] <vidd> ?
[18:22] <Schenker80> now it says no newworld boot partition was found .  the yaboot loader requires an appple_bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size using the HFS macintosh file system
[18:22] <Schenker80> then it asks if I want to go back
[18:22] <vidd> hrm....
[18:23] <vidd> lets go back to our partition tables
[18:23] <vidd> remove the /home partition
[18:23] <Schenker80> ah i found a solution
[18:23] <Schenker80> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=376866
[18:23] <Schenker80> should i delete the swap partition?
[18:23] <vidd> well...i was just going to say, take the required space out of the home partition
[18:24] <vidd> Schenker80, NO!!!! swap is important
[18:24] <Schenker80> OK
[18:24] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:24] <Schenker80> so just delete the home partition?
[18:24] <vidd> yes...for now....
[18:24] <Schenker80> ok i have done that
[18:24] <zoredache> you can delete the swap partition, and then build a swap file on one of your data partitions
[18:24] <vidd> now select the free space
[18:25] <Schenker80> OK i have selected the free space
[18:25] <vidd> zoredache, bad doggie...no bone
[18:25] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:25] <zoredache> it is a little slower, and more work,
[18:25] <vidd> Schenker80, ok....we want to set up 2 mb and set it up as that file system
[18:26] <Schenker80> ok.........
[18:26] <vidd> dunno what to name it
[18:27] <Schenker80> so i will select the free space and partition it as 2mb?
[18:27] <vidd> yes
[18:27] <Schenker80> at the beginning?
[18:27] <vidd> doesnt really matter
[18:28] <vidd> we want to use the hfs file system
[18:28] <Schenker80> OK i've done that
[18:28] <Schenker80> oh...
[18:28] <Schenker80> how do i select that?
[18:28] <vidd> remember the page you enter past that says ext3?
[18:28] <Schenker80> yes
[18:29] <vidd> that is where you set that
[18:29] <Schenker80> it doesn't give me hfs as a choice.....
[18:29] <vidd> instead of ext3, choose hfs
[18:29] <vidd> hrm....
[18:29] <Schenker80> it gives me newworld as a choice
[18:29] <vidd> then abort, and redo the partitioning
[18:30] <vidd> that works then
[18:30] <vidd> so we choose that....
[18:30] <vidd> and then use up the rest of the space for /home
[18:30] <Schenker80> newworld?
[18:30] <Schenker80> ok
[18:31] <vidd> yes...newworld for the bootstrap 2mb partition
[18:31] <vidd> be back in 10-15 minutes
[18:31] <Schenker80> OK, thans
[18:34] <Max__> i downloaded open office 3.0.0 for linux now i want to install it but when i unpack it i get another .tar file which is corrupt
[18:38] <zoredache> did the site offer an md5 sum for the file?   Did you check it?
[18:38] <Max__> no
[18:38] <Max__> i diid not check it
[18:42] <vidd> Max__, what is wrong with the OOo in the repos?
[18:42] <vidd> Schenker80, im back
[18:43] <Max__> wait i deleted it will report you later as soon as i extracted it
[18:44] <vidd> Max__, i see that OOo in repos is version 2.4.1
[18:44] <zoredache> vidd: is v3 in the repos, or a ppa somewhere?
[18:44] <vidd> dunno.....
[18:45] <mthorn> quick question. I'm trying to mount an external hard drive on 8.10. When I plug in the device, /dev/sdc appears, but NOT /dev/sdc1. The drive is formatted ntfs. If i plug the drive into my 8.04 machine, both /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 are created.
[18:46] <mthorn> more interestingly, if I do fdisk -l, it does seem to see /dev/sdc1
[18:46] <vidd> Max__, there is a .deb for version 3 on the OOo web site
[18:46] <mthorn> if I try to mount it, I get this error: "mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
[18:46] <mthorn> "
[18:46] <mthorn> any suggestions?
[18:46] <vidd> !ntfs
[18:46] <ubottu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:46] <vidd> mthorn, ^^^^
[18:46] <Max__> "Anerror occurred while loading hte archieve" gzip stdin: not in gzip format tar: childreturned status 1 tar: error exit delayed from previous errors
[18:47] <Schenker80> hi vidd
[18:47] <vidd> Max__, get the deb!
[18:47] <Schenker80> seems to be goin gOK for me now
[18:47] <vidd> Schenker80, you get the partitions up?
[18:47] <Schenker80> yup
[18:47] <Schenker80> it's installing the base system now
[18:47] <Schenker80> thanks again
[18:47] <mthorn> vidd: I've got ntfs-3g installed. It comes with xubuntu 8.10, no?
[18:47] <vidd> mthorn, no
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=en-US&version=3.0.0
[18:48] <Max__> Linux x86 (DEB)
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, unless you need something other then english =]
[18:48] <Max__> is this the right one?
[18:48] <vidd> Max__, click my link
[18:49] <vidd> but yes...that one should work too
[18:49] <vidd> !ntfs-3g
[18:49] <ubottu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:50] <mthorn> well, I ran apt-get and it seems to think I have ntfs-3g installed. And again, there is no /dev/sdc1. Everything I see on the guide you linked me to implies that there should be /dev/sdc1
[18:51] <mthorn> This drive works fine on 8.04.
[18:51] <mthorn> is there anything that would cause ubuntu to not read the partition table?
[18:51] <vidd> mthorn, if the guide dont help....and the driver is installed....then im out of ideas
[18:51] <zoredache> unplug it, then plug it in... then look at dmesg
[18:52] <mthorn> ok, thanks for the help. the dmesg log looks normal to me.
[18:53] <zoredache> do a 'sudo udevtrigger' perhaps?
[18:53] <zoredache> maybe with a --verbose
[18:53] <Schenker80> vidd - why do you think that intrepid ibex uses a text installer rather than a graphical one
[18:53] <vidd> Schenker80, ppc is no longer supported officially
[18:53] <Schenker80> ohhh
[18:53] <Schenker80> so that's why
[18:53] <Schenker80> because it's a port.....
[18:53] <vidd> yep
[18:54] <Schenker80> do you know of any other distributions that I could try on my iBook?  not necessarily ubunutu based...
[18:54] <vidd> Schenker80, in my opinion, text installer is better then graphic anyway
[18:54] <Schenker80> i just find it a little hard to understand to be honest
[18:55] <vidd> Schenker80, sorry....ive never even laid hands on a mac ....
[18:55] <zoredache> Schenker80: debian still maintains their ppc.  They are getting pretty close to a new release so you could probably safely use lenny
[18:55] <Schenker80> cool, zoredache
[18:55] <Schenker80> i will have a look into that
[18:55] <Schenker80> i don't suppose you know if it would be easy to install?
[18:56] <vidd> Schenker80, debian is the same as what you just did
[18:56] <zoredache> it uses the smae installer as ubuntu
[18:56] <vidd> debian does not have a live installer (that im aware of)
[18:56] <Schenker80> oh
[18:56] <Schenker80> is a live installer a graphical installer?
[18:57] <vidd> yes
[18:57] <vidd> and it is evil
[18:57] <Schenker80> seriously?
[18:57] <Schenker80> hehe
[18:58] <vidd> refuses to pass on special kernel configurations need to get the graphical installer loaded (like on my HP machine that requires acpi=off)
[18:59] <vidd> in other words, if you have to pass a kenel option to the live cd to get the live cd to boot, once the install is complete, you have to edit your grub to add those kernel options
[18:59] <vidd> nasty, messy evil stuff
[19:00] <Schenker80> oh i see
[19:00] <vidd> the text installer passes those options
[19:01] <Schenker80> are you guys using xubuntu now?
[19:01] <vidd> therefore, alt is superior to live in all ways
[19:01]  * vidd uses xubuntu on only one machine 
[19:01] <Schenker80> what else do  you use?
[19:01] <vidd> all others are ubuntu cli + lxde
[19:02] <anubis> Anyone free to answer a question re: xfce locking up?
[19:02]  * vidd just hasnt had the time to back up all the data on this machine to convert it to cli+lxde
[19:02] <vidd> anubis, can you be a little more specific?
[19:03] <anubis> Sure. XFCE locks up after it shows the desktop icons and Menu at the top.
[19:03] <vidd> anubis, how much ram, swap and free hd space?
[19:05] <anubis> 1.8Ghz Athlon with 1GB Ram, 160 GB free HDD space and 1 GB swap
[19:05] <anubis> Gnome or KDE don't lock up.
[19:05] <vidd> anubis, your swap should always be at least twice your ram
[19:06] <vidd> (i dont think this is your issue)
[19:06] <anubis> My mistake, it's 5 GB swap
[19:06] <vidd> what does top tell you is running?
[19:06] <anubis> Pardon?
[19:07] <vidd> have you ever gotten xfce to load?
[19:08] <anubis> The desktop?  No, it just locks after loading the desktop icons and menu
[19:08] <vidd> when it locks up, can you get to a tty?
[19:08] <vidd> ([ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?
[19:09] <anubis> I would have to reboot to try that.
[19:09] <anubis> I'm in Gnome ATM
[19:09] <vidd> so you are talking on the machine that is having the issue?
[19:09] <anubis> Unfortunately
[19:09] <vidd> hang in there
[19:10] <vidd> so you have your system set to dual boot? or to choose sessions?
[19:11] <anubis> This machine only has Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu on it.
[19:11] <anubis> No windows at all.
[19:11] <anubis> Evidently they don't play well together.
[19:11] <vidd> ok....
[19:11] <anubis> I think it's a graphics card issue.
[19:11] <vidd> i doubt that
[19:11] <anubis> I'm just frustrated ATM
[19:11] <vidd> if it was a graphics card issue, then gnome wiould have the same issue
[19:11] <anubis> I'm kinda new to this.
[19:12] <vidd> thats ok.....
[19:12] <anubis> It's a fresh install of Xubuntu also.
[19:12] <anubis> This way I could choose the session I want.
[19:12] <anubis> I wouldn't mind getting rid of Gnome and KDE 4
[19:12] <anubis> Gnome is ok, KDE4 is quirky.
[19:12] <knome> !purexfce
[19:13] <ubottu> If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »
[19:13] <vidd> so....when you boot, you get to the login screen and THAT is where you decide xfce, gnome or kde?
[19:13] <anubis> Correct
[19:13] <vidd> so that is not a dual boot...and you dont need to reboot to switch sessions
[19:14] <anubis> No
[19:14] <anubis> Just log out.
[19:14] <anubis> I am kind of concerned that uninstalling GNOME and KDE4 will hose the system.
[19:14] <vidd> you should go into your .cache ....
[19:15] <anubis> Ok...(how?)
[19:15] <vidd> then the xfce folder
[19:15] <vidd> in nautilus
[19:16] <vidd> you want to set it to "view hidden"
[19:16] <anubis> Oddly enough, Nautilus doesn't even shop up for whatever reason in Gnome's menus
[19:16] <vidd> no problem....
[19:16] <anubis> Ok, I see it in Dolphin
[19:16] <vidd> open a terminal....
[19:16] <anubis> I'm in .cache
[19:16] <vidd> open xfce
[19:17] <anubis> ok, it's xfce4 if that matters?
[19:17] <vidd> what folders you have?
[19:17] <vidd> *xfce4*
[19:17] <anubis> Just desktop in XFCE4
[19:18] <vidd> ok....delete that folder
[19:18] <anubis> Delete XFCE4 or Desktop IN XFCE4
[19:18] <vidd> (actually, you should be able to delete everything in .cache without fear)
[19:18] <Schenker80> guys i am gonna go now for a while
[19:18] <Schenker80> vidd, thanks again for all your help
[19:18] <Schenker80> seeyas later
[19:18] <vidd> Schenker80, np
[19:18] <anubis> Ok
[19:19] <anubis> The folders in .Cache are as follows:  rhythmbox sessions Thunar totem tracker and xfce4
[19:19] <vidd> you can delete them all....
[19:19] <anubis> Ok
[19:19] <vidd> next time they are needed, they will be re-written
[19:19] <anubis> Done
[19:20] <anubis> Oh, ok
[19:20] <anubis> What's next?
[19:20] <vidd> go into the .config folder
[19:20] <anubis> Ok, there.
[19:21] <vidd> open the "autostart" folder....what is there?
[19:21] <anubis> xfce4-volstatus-icon.desktop
[19:22] <anubis> That's it
[19:22] <vidd> im going to recommend that you move that to some kind of temp folder
[19:22] <vidd> i think that might be causing your lock-up
[19:22] <anubis> Done
[19:23] <anubis> I moved it to Documents
[19:23] <vidd> that is all i see....ready to test?
[19:24] <anubis> I'm crossing my fingers
[19:24] <vidd> never hurts
[19:25] <anubis> Ok, gonna log out now and try this...
[19:25] <anubis> BRB
[19:27] <anubis> It WORKED !!!
[19:27] <vidd> survey says?
[19:28] <anubis> Thank you SO MUCH!
[19:28] <vidd> that will be 36.50 plus tax
[19:28] <vidd> euro's
[19:28] <vidd> =]
[19:28] <anubis> LOL
[19:29] <vidd> USD aint worth what it used to be!
[19:31] <anubis> True
[19:32] <anubis> Now  to get the tv out function to work...
[19:32] <anubis> That's later tho
[19:32] <anubis> Gotta get a new s-video cable
[19:33] <anubis> BRB
[19:46] <anubis> This system doesn't like ATI video cards.
[20:03] <ubd> hello
[20:04] <ubd> i have wifi and i am enterin password for keyring everytime i log in and i dont want this
[20:04] <ubd> i want it to connect automatically without asking a pass
[20:05] <ubd> and
[20:05] <ubd> i want a user to be able to use ubuntu in another language / is this possible
[20:05] <vidd> using in another language is possible
[20:05] <vidd> !translation
[20:05] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translation
[20:05] <vidd> =\
[20:06] <ubd> alright
[20:06] <vidd> keyring password :
[20:06] <ubd> what about keyring vidd
[20:06] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=792779
[20:07] <vidd> languages....try http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-349419.html
[20:10] <L_Ryuzaki> hi
[20:11] <L_Ryuzaki> i'm planning on reformating windows will that get rid of my partition for xubuntu?
[20:11] <L_Ryuzaki> or do i have to delete it before i reformat
[20:13] <ubd> thanks vidd your the one
[20:13] <ubd> cya later mate
[20:13] <L_Ryuzaki> anyone know bout my reformating questiong
[20:13] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, it wont "get rid" of them (unless you installed via wubi) but it will make it difficult to re-install grub
[20:13] <L_Ryuzaki> question*
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> alright i used wubi so it should get rid of it for me
[20:14] <ubd> whats wubi
[20:14] <knome> !info flac
[20:14] <ubottu> flac (source: flac): Free Lossless Audio Codec - command line tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-1.2 (intrepid), package size 168 kB, installed size 408 kB
[20:14] <vidd> !wubi
[20:14] <ubottu> Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> cause im wanting to get rid of it since it slows my comp way to much, and i only used this to evade a virus i had
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> eh im still going to use wubi i guess to get rid of it just in case
[20:15] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, why not install xubuntu clean as a bual boot?
[20:15] <L_Ryuzaki> cause i don't know how
[20:15] <vidd> it will likely ran faster after the virus eating up your system resorces is gone
[20:15] <ubd> insert the xubuntu disc
[20:16] <L_Ryuzaki> ah, well i'm reformatting today so it should be back to normal, xubuntu is cool unless it's being partitioned
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> i just realized i came in here just to ask a question that i already semi knew what i was going to do
[20:17] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, once its set up, it should run nice
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> i kept xp just since i could make games using it
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> using visual basics
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> that was about the only reason for keeping XP partitioned
[20:18] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, make gtk games.....
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> gtk?
[20:18] <vidd> linux needs games
[20:18] <L_Ryuzaki> ah. and yes it does
[20:18] <vidd> games that will run in linux
[20:19] <ubd> i think games are not so impoertant as there are many flash games around
[20:19] <ubd> but it will be good have nice games for linux anywyas
[20:19] <L_Ryuzaki> it's nice to have games not built in or not from a site
[21:58] <rdehler> so i'm on 8.04 and i tried to upgrade to 8.10 via Upgrading on http://xubuntu.org/get and I don't get the 'New distribution is available' message
[22:01] <floating> you have to go to software sources
[22:02] <floating> because 8.04 is LTS, there is an option that "install only longe term support distribution updates" or something. you have to change it to "normal updates"
[22:02] <rdehler> did that, now i see it
[22:02] <rdehler> thx
[22:02] <floating> ^^
[23:06] <Shaba1> hello alo
[23:06] <Shaba1> hello all is what I meant to type.
[23:53] <jmichaelx> could someone possibly tell me how to go about adding the gnome network manager applet to an xfce panel?