| [00:16] <Ahmuck> wow, i broke my ltsp server | |
| [01:19] <LaserJock> stgraber: while you're up, I'm slowly getting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/StrategyDocument going | |
| [01:19] <LaserJock> comments on the outline would be appreciated | |
| [01:20] <stgraber> LaserJock: ok, I'll have a look | |
| [01:29] <stgraber> LaserJock: looks good, I guess objective #3 will also be to have different set of softwares depending on the target to avoid having gcompris and rasmol with the same install :) | |
| [01:30] <LaserJock> stgraber: yeah, good point | |
| [11:36] <saliom> this room is not to do support? | |
| [15:34] <Ahmuck> saliom, yes, you can get support here if you wait | |
| [15:37] <sbalneav> Ahmuck: I think he's gone :) | |
| [15:39] <Ahmuck> k, i followed nubae's script for fat clients, and now my ltsp server is borken :( | |
| [15:39] <Ahmuck> so i'm missing something | |
| [18:54] <Ahmuck> nubae: i tried your fat client setup and borked my ltsp server | |
| [18:55] <nubae> Ahmuck: and how did u do that exactly? | |
| [18:56] <ogra> he used the --bork option :) | |
| [18:56] <Ahmuck> lol | |
| [18:56] <nubae> fatclient doesnt touch the existing ltsp setup | |
| [18:56] <Ahmuck> exactly as you had it in your blog | |
| [18:56] <nubae> unless you indeed use the --bork option | |
| [18:57] <nubae> :-) | |
| [18:57] <Ahmuck> let me pull up the blog entry | |
| [18:57] <Ahmuck> http://www.nubae.com/ltsp-linux-terminal-server-project-netbooted-fat-client-for-ubuntu-hardy-and-intrepid | |
| [18:57] <nubae> Ahmuck: what did u type to install fatclient script | |
| [18:57] <nubae> thanks for pointing to my own blog... | |
| [18:58] <nubae> I'm asking what YOU typed to install the script | |
| [18:58] <Ahmuck> touch 030-fatclient | |
| [18:58] <Ahmuck> sudo nano 030-fatclient | |
| [18:58] <Ahmuck> paste | |
| [18:58] <Ahmuck> save | |
| [18:59] <Ahmuck> reboot | |
| [19:00] <Ahmuck> Edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf - in this file, it appears i need to specify each thin client | |
| [19:00] <Ahmuck> by mac address | |
| [19:00] <Ahmuck> anywho, my dhcpd.conf file looks exactly as yours with the exception that is set the mac address and the ip address of the client | |
| [19:01] <nubae> how did u install the fatclient script? | |
| [19:01] <Ahmuck> the client is booting pxe and starts looking for a dhcp address, but cannot find one. looking at the instructions, the ip address are set, so it appears that they are static? | |
| [19:01] <nubae> after editting and all... | |
| [19:01] <Ahmuck> nubae: copy/past | |
| [19:01] <Ahmuck> copy/paste | |
| [19:01] <Ahmuck> save | |
| [19:02] <Ahmuck> so i copied it from your blog, pasted it into a file and saved | |
| [19:02] <nubae> no... something along the lines of sudo ltsp-build-client --fatclient Ubuntu | |
| [19:02] <nubae> or did u not build a chroot? | |
| [19:03] <nubae> because without one, it would be hard for dhcp to find it... | |
| [19:03] <Ahmuck> er, yes. but now that i think about it, i may have placed the script in the directory after building chroot. i'll run through the processes again | |
| [19:03] <Ahmuck> though, it did download a ton of stuff | |
| [19:04] <nubae> Ahmuck: the script must be put into the /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu | |
| [19:04] <nubae> directory | |
| [19:04] <nubae> and then u must do ltsp-build-client --chroot name-of-chroot --fatclient Ubuntu --highfat | |
| [19:05] <nubae> the dhcp file must then contain entries to load up both normal clients and fat clients as outlined | |
| === spacey_ is now known as spacey | |
| [19:09] <nubae> also, paste me your dhcpd.conf file so I can take a look: pastebin.be | |
| [19:10] <Ahmuck> /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/ubuntu/030-fatclient - on your website | |
| [19:10] <Ahmuck> so i assume that ubuntu should be Ubuntu | |
| [19:10] <nubae> right, is it lower case on my site? | |
| [19:10] <Ahmuck> yes | |
| [19:10] <nubae> let me go fix that, good catch... :-) | |
| [19:11] <Ahmuck> i did however get it in the right directory. removing /opt/ltsp/fati386 now for rebuild | |
| [19:11] <Ahmuck> ya, about the paste. i have no gui at the moment on the server | |
| [19:11] <Ahmuck> :( | |
| [19:12] <nubae> ok, then email or use links | |
| [19:12] <Ahmuck> i'll fiddle with it and see if i can't get a thin client to come up and then firefox and paste | |
| [19:12] <nubae> info at nubae dot com | |
| [19:12] <Eghie> nubae: thanks for the howto on your blog, I've just read it | |
| [19:12] <nubae> Eghie: cool | |
| [19:12] <Eghie> that same kind of idea has been on my mind for a while | |
| [19:13] <Eghie> performance whise, it could be working out very well | |
| [19:14] <nubae> it does yes... if you have powerful clients, it certainly makes a difference | |
| [19:14] <Eghie> brainstorm of my on this: http://developer.thuis-online.nl/thinfatclient.txt | |
| [19:14] <Ahmuck> nubae: what is the difference in your proceedure and the other one listed on ubuntu's website? | |
| [19:15] <nubae> which one on the ubuntu site? UbuntuLTSP/fatclient ? | |
| [19:15] <nubae> Eghie: I'll take a look and see if I cant integrate some of that stuff in the next version | |
| [19:16] <nubae> but overall looks like most of that is what I've done :-) | |
| [19:16] <Eghie> I guess so yes | |
| [19:17] <nubae> except this: - Use (if harddrive exists) the harddrive, to store all the things | |
| [19:17] <Eghie> but performance wise, and also easier for clustering, I will check if I can intergrate OpenAFS to use that to share home directories | |
| [19:17] <nubae> the point is its netbooted, but local hard drive access is enabled | |
| [19:17] <Eghie> well, you also need permissions from the administrator of the machine to write to the harddrive | |
| [19:17] <Eghie> so, that should be optional | |
| [19:18] <nubae> no, I disable those on setup of client | |
| [19:18] <Eghie> ah | |
| [19:18] <nubae> I figure, if its a fat client, local access should be for a storage area or access area to global files | |
| [19:19] <Eghie> swap could also be handy | |
| [19:19] <nubae> local swap u mean? | |
| [19:19] <Eghie> yes | |
| [19:19] <nubae> yep indeed | |
| [19:19] <nubae> but not every fatclient will have a hard drive | |
| [19:19] <Eghie> no that's correct | |
| [19:19] <nubae> Id need to detect if it does, and then if it is there use local swap | |
| [19:19] <nubae> but its a good idea | |
| [19:21] <nubae> Ahmuck: the stuff on the ubuntu site was written by me too | |
| [19:22] <Ahmuck> ah. there are two ways for fat clients ? | |
| [19:23] <Eghie> I guess the old and the new way ;) | |
| [19:23] <nubae> not really, more like a manual and automatic way | |
| [19:23] <nubae> or the old and new way like Eghie says | |
| [19:24] <Ahmuck> ah, ok | |
| [19:25] <nubae> but if ltsp is not working at all for u... then its probably a problem with your dhpcd.conf | |
| [19:30] <Eghie> nubae: the script mentioned on the blog, expects NFS as homedirectory, right? | |
| [19:31] <Eghie> uses i mean | |
| [19:31] <Eghie> does that crash the client on network hickups? | |
| [19:32] <Eghie> because 2 years ago I had my own homedirectory connected via CIFS to the server | |
| [19:32] <Eghie> but when there was a network hickup, my client crashed | |
| [19:32] <nubae> yes | |
| [19:32] <Eghie> because, I think it didn't heard of caching that much | |
| [19:32] <nubae> well, not | |
| [19:32] <nubae> hicupps so much as turning off the server | |
| [19:32] <nubae> on hiccupps there is a lag | |
| [19:33] <nubae> and then comes back | |
| [19:33] <nubae> but since its only home mounted, it generally recovers ok | |
| [19:33] <Eghie> as in, switch off, hmm reboot and stuff like that | |
| [19:33] <nubae> I've not had problems with it, lets put it that way | |
| [19:33] <nubae> right | |
| [19:33] <Eghie> or restarting NFS service/ samba service | |
| [19:33] <Eghie> those kind of hicups | |
| [19:34] <Eghie> or restarten /etc/init.d/networking | |
| [19:34] <Ahmuck> wouldn't that be done at night and users would not be present? | |
| [19:35] <Eghie> nah, it could be recovery work for your network services, or adding a network client, or messing with IPtables, or some things like that | |
| [19:35] <Eghie> or even unstable switches | |
| [19:36] <nubae> that generally is ok, its turning off the server that kills it | |
| [19:37] <nubae> other elements it recovers from | |
| [19:37] <nubae> again, in my experience | |
| [19:37] <Eghie> hmm ok | |
| [19:37] <Eghie> guess that NFS has enough caching support to handle that | |
| [19:44] <Eghie> wireless PXE boot is still not possible, or is it? | |
| [19:46] <nubae> pxe boot, no | |
| [19:46] <nubae> but there are workarounds | |
| [19:47] <Eghie> installing a basic variant of the LTSP client OS on the client, and setup the network service via wireless | |
| [19:47] <nubae> more like usb sticks | |
| [19:47] <Eghie> or via initrd and then load the rest via network | |
| [19:47] <nubae> right | |
| [19:48] <Eghie> well, I don't use wireless clients | |
| [19:48] <Eghie> but could be usefull | |
| [19:48] <Eghie> if it worked though | |
| [19:49] <nubae> it would work ok with netbooted fatclients | |
| [19:59] <Eghie> seems not many people tried LTSP fat client | |
| [20:00] <Eghie> not that many sources/articles/questions on that one on the internet | |
| [20:00] <nubae> nah, but I get a lot of hits to the blog so enough... | |
| [20:04] <Eghie> did you also have quota problems? | |
| [20:04] <Eghie> or not using quota's? | |
| [20:18] <Ahmuck> actually, i need quota's 4 sure | |
| [20:20] <Eghie> well, what do you do, when a user his homedirectory is full? | |
| [20:20] <Eghie> he will not be able to login agai | |
| [20:20] <Eghie> n | |
| [20:23] <Eghie> so he will not be able to cleanup his own homedirectory | |
| [22:09] <Ahmuck> rm -rf *.mp3 from home directory :) | |
| === HedgeMag1 is now known as HedgeMage | |
| [23:41] <Ahmuck> :(, i'm going to re-install | |
| [23:50] <Ahmuck> i've been looking at some ltsp client machines, however with intels atom proc and boards, one can build a ful fledge fat client for the same price they are asking | |